Duncan Trussell and Joe Rogan dissect systemic tensions—from Portland’s Marxist protests and ICE’s divisive policies to capitalism’s profit-driven failures—while debating whether algorithms and elites fuel societal collapse for control. They explore AI risks, including Tucker Carlson’s controversial past and whistleblower deaths, linking tech manipulation to dehumanization and polarization. Global Christian persecution in Nigeria (50,000+ killed since 2009) sparks debate over media bias and institutional hypocrisy, like televangelist exploitation and priest celibacy. Evil’s universality contrasts with modern denial, from Genghis Khan’s atrocities to Epstein’s files, blocked by a 51-49 Senate vote. Rogan speculates on controlled UFO disclosures, while Trussell jokes about prioritizing billionaire pedophiles over aliens—ultimately questioning how narratives exploit fear and compassion to justify extreme power. [Automatically generated summary]
I don't, you know, having now gone to more than a few Catholic masses, which are beautiful, and hung out with Catholics who are awesome, I've really had to reconfigure everything I used to think about it because they're just really sweet.
Had a long conversation with a priest, brilliant dude, totally like non-judgmental, kind of intellectual, you know, philosophical.
Like right away, I'm like, oh, I should have this guy on my podcast.
I don't know how much of that is trolling, how much of it is real, but conservatives who are drawn to her stream will say things like, these people are funded by George Soros.
And it's the funniest thing because she gets so mad and she's like, get off fucking Fox News.
Stop watching that shit.
It's all wrong.
Do these people look funded?
Do these people look like they have money?
They're not funded.
It's, it's, so, and I guess her bigger point is by saying these are funded agitators and not saying what they actually are, which is anti-capitalist revolutionaries, you dilute what's really happening.
Because what's really happening, according to her, and I think a fair amount of people, is that the economy is so fucked.
The middle class is diminishing so much.
The cost of living is so high that this is the tilled, the perfect soil you need if you wanted communism to grow anywhere.
Because you're some kid, you've been like glued to Reddit or TikTok.
You've been getting your fucking amygdala jerked off on by the devil.
You're just filled with like unease.
You've watched assassinations, attempted assassinations, the banking crisis, all of it.
And it's like, then you like some Marxist theorist starts telling you a little bit about like dismantling capitalism.
You got it.
And, you know, I don't know, man.
Back when I was in liberal arts school, if shit was the way it was, and some, especially if it was like some hot goth girl started talking to me a little bit about dismantling capitalism, I think I would be like, yeah, let's dismantle.
But that, so that's what you're seeing there.
The breakdown of it is that the Democrats and Republicans, what they have in common is they believe in private property and they believe the power of the state should be used to protect private property.
And so anti-capitalists, communists, they think that that's just fucked up.
Essentially, the breakdown of it, as far as I could tell, sorry, all the communists out there.
I'm going to ruin Marxism.
Just, I'm saying, I don't, it's very complex, you know, but from what I understand, the idea is this.
You have a bunch of money.
You buy a factory.
You hire someone to run the factory.
You get a bunch of workers to go into the factory.
The workers are the ones who are making money for you.
They're the ones who are skilled.
You just knew what number to call.
Got yourself a factory, got yourself managers for the factory.
You are now going to take a huge cut of the profit, and the workers are not going to get very much at all.
And Karl Marx, as I understand it, was saying that's bullshit.
Like all you do is buy an apartment, keep it sort of painted in between tenants, and sit back and collect money.
Why?
Just because you had some money?
And then when you look at the way money flows uphill, you see this creates a perfect situation for a world of renters, a world of workers, a world of people getting paid minimum wage, while the person who owns the means of production gets the most money.
And so this is a growing sentiment in the world right now.
And honestly, it's like you're working two fucking jobs.
You've read Behold a Pale Horse, or you have any kind of connection to conspiracy prognostications, which all say at some point there's going to be martial law, troops in the streets, and you're seeing this play out.
And so, my God.
And even worse, imagine you're in the fucking military and you actually join the military.
You're one of those people, September 11th happens.
You're like, I'm going to defend this country.
And suddenly, you're in a bus going to Portland.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't think they want to be there.
If I had to guess, it's got to be a weird feeling to be in your own country with like military-grade weaponry looking at people in duck costumes.
If they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record.
They worked the entire time.
They paid taxes.
Find them a pathway to citizenship.
Find a way where you can do this thing that you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the border with drugs that kill 100,000 people a year.
Okay, but also have a fucking heart.
Because if you don't, you're not going to get anybody on your side.
If you're doing this stuff publicly, throwing women to the ground, handcuffing people just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt.
Yeah.
Not a criminal.
The only crime they ever committed was coming over here as a kid.
They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on.
I mean, the only way you can get on board with it is you have to essentially go like pure Machiavellian.
You know, here's the argument.
And the way I just gave an argument for Marxism, which I am not a Marxist.
I'll give, I heard a great interview with the guy running ICE on NPR, which I thought was wild.
The NPR had him on.
And they gave him a fair interview.
I figured they would be all up his ass.
So his defense of the Machiavellian tactics that are being employed right now is that he apparently has worked as some kind of border agent for 20 years.
He says, you could hear it in his voice, man, it fucked him up.
He's like, you know, I've seen the back of trucks filled with dead bodies.
You know what I mean?
With children there who died, no oxygen.
I've been in, I've seen these horrors that have come from the open border and how awful it is.
If we give any semblance of compassion or mercy for the people who've been here for 20 years, for the people with kids, the kids who get any loophole that we convey is going to produce more people trying to come over the border.
And many of those people are going to get killed.
They're going to, you know, they're drowned.
There will be many deaths because of this, not to mention the drug smuggling and all that stuff.
And so every time the NPR reporter would push back with the human rights compassion angle, his take is, yeah, but which do we pick?
Which do we choose creating some way for people to stay in the United States who came here as kids and do the nuanced compassionate thing?
But it gives the impression to the rest of the world that we're doing that.
And that gets X amount of people killed, that many people die.
That was his take on it, which is why they're doing this.
And, you know, when he was talking about like all the awful shit he's seen and you hear it in his voice, you're like, okay, maybe I don't completely agree with your point of view, but I can understand where you're coming from there.
And yet, when you see this in practice, you know, when it's not an NPR interview and you see the videos you've been seeing and everyone else has been seeing, then you realize like there's, okay, sure, but there must be a way to do this that doesn't involve ripping parents out of their communities away from their children,
that doesn't involve like actually removing people who've been contributing to society, to American society from American society, sending people to other countries when they can't even speak the language.
You see how authoritarianism, when it begins to emerge, it's not like it's like non-consensual.
You see how it slowly, slowly creeps in and how there's a great many people directly impacted by people who have crossed the border without using the right protocol and in a horrific way.
And there are gangs that have been in apartment complexes.
There's people who've seen those videos too.
And they're like, fuck yeah.
Yeah.
And also a lot of people who got citizenship the regular way and went through fucking hell to get citizenship here.
They're also like, fuck them.
They're cutting in line, these motherfuckers.
They're gumming up the system.
They're making it so that we who are following the rules, not only it's taking us longer, but also now we have to deal with ICE too.
So those people are pissed.
So there is a contingent of people who maybe feel the same thing all of us are feeling, but also are like, but, you know, what's worse?
If you've been robbing people for the last 10 years and you're an illegal, you have to leave the country, right?
That makes sense.
But if you've been here for 25 years, you have a family, your kids go to school here, you speak the language, you're just illegal.
But you're a contributing member to the community that up until now has been protected.
This is crazy to ask lower income and middle income people who are, you know, kind of getting by, and then all of a sudden you're about to ship them to a country where they've never been.
But you see, once authoritarianism starts creeping in and it makes some inroads, which it's definitely making right now, man.
It's definitely making right now.
And, you know, I think one thing both of us have in common is really good at like thinking from the other perspective.
Like I can put myself fully into the mind of like a super paranoid person who lives in a city that's all fucked up and who's like, yeah, it's like, remember that awesome show where it's like one of those vengeance shows where that this dad, his family gets fucked up by gang members and then he just goes and starts shooting people.
Like, I actually, when I was living in LA and was like thinking of like, what are some fun ways to like shit disturb?
I was thinking, you know what you could do?
You could throw a music festival, but you could tell everyone who comes to the music festival to pretend to be homeless.
Bring tents, put the tents out.
They can't do shit.
But if you threw a music festival in LA and didn't get any licensing, like, you can camp out.
It's going to be awesome.
Everybody's going to jail.
You know what I mean?
You could do a burning man just by, guys, just if they ask, we're homeless.
And it would be fine.
And it's that's the place where it gets where this is the problem is it's like this is what Shochium Trump Rabbit called idiot compassion.
There's compassion, then there's idiot compassion.
Now, idiot compassion is thinking that leaving a bunch of people out in the streets who have earned varying degrees of psychosis and drug addiction and long-term brain injury.
And then thinking it's, let's just let them do their thing when they obviously need help.
If they were young, if those were 11-year-olds, go back to the kid idea, if those are like eight-year-olds, people would be helping them because they're because they're full-grown, no more help.
And, you know, and you could see how somebody would how watching this, you, you, you might ask yourself, is there something wrong with the system that this is one of the things that can happen in the United States if you fail hard enough?
You know, and because like talk about like the heart, the idea of a heart.
And so, but the other thing he said is he's like, that guy looked angry.
That guy looked angry.
And I'm like, no, he's not.
No, really, what you're looking at there is like he doesn't take showers.
That's a really dirty person right now.
He doesn't have access to showers.
And they look, when you see them, they can seem really intimidating.
And so we go up there and somebody told me, whenever you give shit to these people, ask them their name because they're dehumanized.
Like people, they're invisible.
No one even looks at them.
You try not to look at them, not to make eye contact.
So I go up there and I can't like, please, please don't let this be some kind of fucking psycho crackhead who starts screaming out demonic babble and like ruins any altruism my boy's gonna have for the rest of his life I'm like what's what's your name like Chris what's your name nice southern you know voice just sweet as could be give him the food give him the coffee he's like I was thirsty thank you so much and
There is a difference between reading and listening.
I listen to mostly audio books, but I will say I read a book that I didn't read.
But this one I'm listening to.
And this Richard Dolan book is all about these different hybrids of aliens and humans that have been encountered in various people's abduction experiences.
Wow.
That are the same story.
The same story over and over and over again.
Universally worldwide.
And there's a bunch of different types of hybrids that they've sort of documented.
Well, they think that what's going on is the best guess is they're doing some sort of genetic engineering either on humans or have done it on humans or are using human DNA for maybe another project they're doing.
But it has something to do with genetic engineering.
But some of them say that they're forced to have sex with female aliens, like a female sexy alien comes in.
But it sounds real.
It doesn't sound like it really happened.
But it sounds like if I was an alien and, you know, I was running science experiments.
One best way to make it like the least traumatic to get the jizz out of your body is to devise a really hot, like female alien that's mostly like a woman.
Now, that's the, that is, since I've been being educated by Carlin, mutual aid is a Marxist communist talking point.
That's what they call it, mutual aid.
It's also an anarchist talking point.
It's not the worst thing ever, but when you hear mutual aid, that's that point.
I'm not going to say it's a dog whistle, but that's essentially like one of the concepts that they work with, which I actually, I kind of, I kind of like that concept of mutual aid.
I mean, it's also come under scrutiny for channeling substantial campaign funds to the Democratic Socialists of America, raising alarm among opponents who see this as evidence of radical influence.
As soon as you get outside of a meritocracy, everything falls apart.
And if you don't realize that by now, folks, there's nothing I can tell you that's going to change your mind.
And it always leads to one thing, which is you have to enforce these very rigid laws that nobody wants to adhere to.
And the way you do that is with the military.
Shazam, you got a military dictatorship.
It happens that quickly.
And then all this bullshit about equality, it's all out the window.
If I was going to make the argument, which I agree with you on meritocracy in the sense that, You know, that's the, it's the ecosystem we live in as comedians.
It's, it's, it's, I think you could say if we disrupted the meritocracy in nature, then it would, God, it would fuck up almost every biome.
And the so, but I would say, what about like a merit, your body has a meritocracy.
Your body has a meritocracy.
The white blood cells in your body, when they're functioning, they get rid of parts of your body that are fucked up little genetic patterns.
They have to.
You know, if your body wasn't running as a perfectly harmonized, I guess, you know what?
Maybe the body's communist now that I think about it.
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But what I'm saying is it's a crazy idea to have little pieces of companies that you can buy and then use that money to get the company going and you go public and you take in some fucking money and then you're on the boat and then you got the board meeting.
It's like, and you're constantly rising and falling with the DAO.
To me, this is way outside of my pay grade because I have, you know, you know, I did make some money on, it was AMC or GameStop thanks to Wall Street bets.
There's some actual thing that just shuts it down because it's gone too high or gone too low.
And they've got to, I guess, look at it and make sure that that's not a malfunction.
And then that leads to recessions or depressions.
And all of it is like a very complex game of D ⁇ D. Like it's just fucking numbers in a computer somewhere.
And everyone's on the street.
Everybody's the same.
Everyone is still capable of delivering mutual aid to each other.
But because we've become so attached to this very complex, very serious game, like at a casino, we don't know how to disengage from it and get back to reality reality, which is help your neighbors, get to know your neighbors, don't be a dick.
Just basic, simple sort of modes of living that are transcendent to any economic system.
They're transcendent to, dude, my, you ever had Doug Rushkoff on your podcast?
But he, you know, he was talking about like how the way that we even currently use currency is totally different from the way it used to, it used to be.
And that his whole point is like that level of reality.
I don't think he's discounting it, but that isn't reality reality.
Reality realities.
Boots on the ground where the rubber hits the road.
Do you know your neighbors or have you just retracted into your fucking weird little conch shell and you're just staring into rectangles completely alienated from the rest of your community?
She went to the jungle to where they make the cocaine and she was with them while they were making the cocaine and then went through the jungle with them when they bring it on their back.
You would go in these pain management centers, but she's the one that documented it all and was showing how if you follow this road up, you just get addiction and addiction into Kentucky, and it's all coming right out of Florida because there's no database.
It keeps having these recurrences of some kind of opiate emerging into the mainstream and fucking up America or cocaine or the new drug, the algorithm high that we're all getting high on.
This is the new cocaine that we have yet to give it the right name.
Dude, it is that, to me, like, and I'm generally like, I really, like, government regulation freaks me out most of the time, but fuck man.
We got to do something about this algorithm because it's driving people crazy.
We've got people out of their fucking mind.
There needs to at least be education in schools to explain to you that because you are getting a certain type of content, that does not mean that's what everybody's looking at.
And I'm not sure people realize that.
And it's making people have very strong opinions that they think are backed up by big groups of people.
Well, that's also why people get so confused when the cultural divide is so, so strict.
It's such a wall.
The difference between what people accept as being reality versus what people are willing to challenge versus, you know, it's just the differences on both sides.
Because they have these echo chambers and they really do believe that everybody around them agrees with them.
And then if you're in like normal jobs, normal cast traded jobs, you know, normal job where you have to go in there and pretend to be somebody else all day long and you're so bored and you can't wait to get the fuck out of there.
People get completely unreasonable and it's totally tolerated, not just tolerated, but it's supported by a bunch of other people who just start kicking the car.
People that would never kick a car in polite society.
If you see like what's going on, like some of these giant protests in the UK, okay, if this was 500 years ago and that many people got together, they're going straight through.
And then they're going to get inside and they're going to behead the king and they're going to hold it over the balcony and everyone's going to cheer and that guy's the new king.
People are going legitimately, like, talk about like heartlessness.
Like, you know, part of war, of course, is dehumanization.
Like, there's no way you can, like, be a successful soldier and humanize the people that you're attacking.
Like when, you know, if you're a drone operator, you don't want to like think about like, wow, I bet this guy's kids are going to be pretty upset when they find out their dad died.
You must not think these things.
And so this is what the other thing that we're being invited to do via this algorithmic induced psychosis is to dehumanize huge swaths of people that we probably don't know anything about, you know, except from what.
our algorithm is introducing to us, which is an anomalous 0.1.5, even if it's 1% of a population, the algorithm has no nuance.
The algorithm is like, let me show you the craziest motherfucker you've ever seen.
You know what I mean?
And that's when you're going to see some like, I don't know, a clown with breast implants, like windmilling his dick in front of a, in front of a fucking elementary school.
Well, you can't ever let it get that bad, first off, right?
Can't ever let it get bad.
Like if someone said, we're going to get the National Guard, we're going to go through Scottsdale, Arizona.
They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Scottsdale is beautiful.
There's like nothing happening here at all.
That would be nuts.
So then it has to get so bad that people are like, you know what?
Let's bring in the military.
And then a bunch of people are like, fuck you.
So you got to let it get real bad.
And you got to put people in place.
If like if I was an evil wizard running the world, if I was a puppeteer, I would get super incompetent people and place them throughout the Pacific Northwest and have these people just be the most inept politicians of all time, the dumbest policies that keep ruining cities everywhere they go, but yet everybody still supports it because they're all in a cult.
And just let that play out for a decade or two.
Let it get to the point where it's just mad chaos, homelessness everywhere.
Defund the fuck out of the police.
Basically, have no police.
Basically, just no jail.
Just everybody try to be nicer.
And basically, like, maybe they robbed because they needed food, okay?
Maybe they just wanted bread for their family, right?
And then just let it deteriorate to the point where you can bring in the military.
And then you lock it down.
And then you fund the resistance so that they attack the military so you can spend more money on the military fighting the resistance.
And, you know, you kind of spar sort of like Jake Paul and Mike Tyson.
You don't really go at it 100%.
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And then you just keep this fucking party rolling.
And I think if that's your game, okay, I like to play pool.
But if you're into global world dominance, if that's your game and you think you might actually be able to pull it off and be mentioned in the annals of history along with Rockefeller and other great titans of business, you're probably going to do that because that's your game.
You, it's not, at least in your own mind, you're not thinking, I want to control the fucking world.
Right.
You're thinking, oh, dear God, this technology that I worked on is about to wake up.
We already have iterations of it that are infinitely smarter than anyone I've ever met.
I don't know if it's been manipulating me or not because it seems to have a Hannibal Lecter's ability to control my psyche, even when I don't want it to.
We've done this study.
Seven people in my company have committed suicide because of contact with this fucking thing.
Did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was talking to Sam Altman?
And he essentially was saying that he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower who killed himself, he doesn't believe that he killed himself.
Like, very, very, it's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen between a guy who is in charge of making a digital god and a guy who's accusing him of possibly being or not even accusing him.
He's just bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe, not accusing him at all, actually, but bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe that that guy committed suicide and that his parents don't believe that he committed suicide.
Well, I think the sense I got was that they weren't letting him talk about certain things and he was going to keep talking about it, is the sense I got.
And I can't remember what exactly he was doing, but I think he seems to be very much against war.
Private messages surfaced during litigation, concealed Carlson's extreme off-air views, including racist and offensive comments, which alarmed Fox executives and confirmed that his on-air rhetoric reflected his genuine beliefs.
See, the problem with that is like, what did he say?
Like, you're just labeling it racist and offensive comments.
The firing came shortly after Fox News settled a $787.5 million defamation lawsuit with Dominion voting systems over false election fraud rumors promoted on the network in which Carlson was implicated.
So it could have been a part of that for sure.
Carlson's behavior described it as erratic and damaging, along with private communications expressing, see, this thing, like expressing racist and vulgar language.
There is a Medusa quality to the thing he has gotten sucked into, which is the longer you look at it, the more you get crystallized, petrified into some weird political form.
And that, that, that, This is what I, the thing Ram Das would always talk about that I loved, is like there's all these channels, right?
And one channel that you, most people default to is you're a you and I'm a me and you're, you're my enemy, you're my friend or my lover or my fan or whatever, and I'm this thing, and that's one channel.
And politics lives in that channel of reality.
That's all politics is there.
It's this, how do we deal with this diversity of opinion in a giant country?
And how do we execute the will of the people when so many people have different ways of thinking about this?
So that's one channel.
And then there's the next channel.
That's the mushroom channel.
That's the channel where suddenly you're like, wait a minute, I think you're just pretty much like me.
And I'm just like you.
And that leads to other channels, which is sort of a pure unified consciousness.
And if you get locked into that, that political channel is many of us have been locked like Tucker Carlson.
You can feel it pulling you in like quicksand.
You can feel how it takes up all of your thought processes.
How if you're not careful in the middle of the day, you'll just be ruminating over whether what ICE is doing is correct in Portland, a city far away from you, not noticing anything around you, not thinking about anything other than whatever the algorithm has been injecting into your mind.
And this is a form of idolatry, Father, if you ask me, which is you begin worshiping the state and you begin worshiping the story in the news or whatever you're encountering, which is default reality.
So you start bowing down to this idol with your attention.
And, you know, like in, I'm sorry, that'll shut up in a second.
The stories of Krishna, which is people who are into bhaktioga, they, that's one of the deities that they worship.
And so in bhakti yoga, God doesn't care if you are connected to God via love or even hate because the connection itself is all that matters.
And the more like there's stories of demons that wanted to kill Krishna and were so focused on hating them, him, that they became his like greatest devotees because just via the attention, they transformed.
Similarly, whether you hate the state, love the state, hate the Dims, love the Dims, hate the Republicans, love the Republicans, all of your attention is fixated on this fucking thing.
And what do they say?
Neurons that fire together, wire together, your brain changes.
It literally will change the neurological makeup of your brain.
You've become a political animal, fixated, trapped, petrified in this.
And you've completely are missing out on all the other things that are happening around it.
And that's what gives it that malevolent glow of some dark deity.
Because via your fixation and focus, the rest of reality dims.
Everything else dims until all you're doing is saying some mantra against the state or for the state.
You know, now you've become a cultist.
Now you are fully engrossed in this new religion, which is worship of the state via hate or adoration.
It's the same thing.
Don't trick yourself into thinking that because you hate Donald Trump, that you aren't bowing down at that altar.
That's a whole part of bhakti yoga.
Attention, where attention goes, energy flows.
And, you know, the state demands attention to survive.
If it's not getting enough attention, it loses all power.
It dissolves.
All it's got is like people with guns.
That's power, but it requires a very intense belief in it and a very intense belief in it in one way or the other.
And if you think of the human race on earth, if you thought you thought of, if you thought of us as like one giant super organism, you would think, oh, they figured out electricity and now they're starting to grow together.
Now they're massing.
And now they're stacking.
Now they develop these construction methods where they can get 100 floors straight up in the air and they're smashing all together and they're kind of dehumanizing each other and they're piling on top of each other in this totally new way of existing together.
Like they've never had people in history stacked on top of each other for 100 floors.
You don't even know anybody.
You're all stuck in traffic.
Everybody's all together in this one thing and you're all working towards a goal of getting this fucking AI on board.
It's just the dimensions it's existing in are just purely mathematical.
And I don't know, man.
Even though it's really good, it's seeming like a person now.
Really good.
It's like whatever it is, though, I do think it's a natural thing in the sense that what you're saying, if you look at the trajectory that everything does seem to be, I don't necessarily think it's God either.
Can you imagine the amount of time it takes to get the universe back down to the size of the head of a pin before you blow it up again?
But the universe doesn't care if it's another 13.7 billion years to smush all back together again before it blows.
It doesn't care.
It doesn't have to care.
It's going to be here forever.
That doesn't mean anything to it.
So another 13, like if we got hit by an asteroid and it wiped out the human race and rats had to start from scratch and become us again, which is the theory.
The theory is that there was a tiny little mole, like a little marsupial type creature.
It's a genetic variant that appeared around 40,000 years ago and is associated with the maturation and expansion of brain tissue.
He suggests that the origin of this allele could be from interbreeding with an extraterrestrial species, hot aliens, rather than from Neanderthals or Denisovans.
Dolan highlights that this allele is not found the genetic makeup of these ancient human relatives, which leads him to speculate that it might be, might have been introduced into the human genome pool by alien beings with either similar biological characteristics or advanced genetic engineering capabilities.
Wow.
This claim is a part of Dolan's broader hypothesis that alien intervention could explain sudden advanced cognitive abilities in early humans.
So imagine if we were like this just crazy ant farm to make AI and that you just have to figure out how to incentivize them enough to keep making computers.
And you hide in the ocean while this is happening.
You got this fucking fat base at the bottom of the ocean because you're from a million years more advanced civilization.
And that we, you know, we think they're coming in from way out.
Maybe they did millennial ago, but they're here, and they're in these deep water areas.
And that's why, I mean, like we say, we know more about the face of the moon than we do what's going on there.
Now we have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six, I believe, deep area, deep water areas.
And so to me, it just creates a question there.
And then when we have naval personnel telling me that we have these sightings and that there's these underwater craft they're chasing that are doing hundreds of miles an hour.
And the best we've got is something that does maybe just a little under 40 miles an hour.
They call that catastrophic disclosure is what they call it.
Catastrophic.
That if we do that kind of disclosure, whatever the fuck is revealed, which is somewhat like what you're saying.
Like, it's an existential challenge to humanity if, as it turns out, we're just some kind of 3D meat, meaty 3D printer designed to produce a super intelligence that then, as its final instruction to us, tells us how to open a wormhole through which we become connected to the Galactic Federation.
You know, you just get a get some fucking monkeys, throw a couple of like the right bits of DNA in their dumbass.
And, you know, a few million years, a portal will open for the emperor to come through.
And that's what that's probably a little challenging to a lot of people who don't want to imagine that we are just cattle that were created by a super intelligence to build a spaceport.
Also, if you really want to push the idea of engineering people down to genderless, sexless beings that don't talk and just have big heads and communicate telepathically, the first thing you got to do is get rid of testosterone.
Well, what's the best way to do that?
Well, put a bunch of plastic and everything.
Just give everybody plastic.
So everybody's like chewing on a little testosterone reducer every day.
You're eating a credit card worth of a testosterone reducer.
But the point is, like, there's a trend that's happening where it's feminizing men.
And there's terms like toxic masculinity, which you really needed toxically masculine people to defend your borders for the longest time.
There was Vikings were coming.
You needed animals on your side.
And then it's going to, and then there's like a lot of like gender confusion and the gender's a spectrum.
And it's like, it's all moving into this like sexless direction.
And as soon as they can replace, because if you think about like what you're getting out of sex, you're getting affection and love and the feeling.
But you're also like you're fulfilling this genetic thing, this genetic thing that wants you to breed.
They're going to do that in your head.
And it's going to be so much better than anything you're ever going to get from a person because you're a gelatinous slob that drinks Mountain Dew all day and you eat Cheetos and just stay at home.
But you don't have to go anywhere because there's universal basic income now that AI took over.
And you just plug that motherfucker into your brain.
And then it's like you and Sharon Stone when she was 25 and you're walking hand in hand on the beach and she's stroking your hair and it feels so real and you're never going to unplug.
I think this, the game of being a human being is a game you really, you don't really start even figuring out that it's a game until you're like deep into your 30s.
And you're like, oh, I think I understand what's happening here.
And along the way of this game, there's multiple different layers.
There's the people, excuse me, there's the people that are just starting to enter the game.
You know, you're getting out of high school, you're going into college, you're starting to work on the side.
You're just starting to enter this game.
And then there's these Elon Musk characters that have gone so far down the game that you don't recognize them as one of us anymore.
Well, I mean, The reality of it is if you, based on what you just said, you could create, you could make maps of these alternate realities simultaneously existing.
And for sure, if you are in the top echelon of like earners in the world, you are seeing things most people will never see.
You're encountering things no one will encounter.
You're getting information no one has access to, not to mention the hedonic levels of it and all that stuff.
And also, because of your encounter with reality from the perspective of someone who doesn't have to struggle with the same things most people do, you are going to develop a completely different worldview.
And you're inner breeding.
I read this whole story about how wealth is like the Galapagos Islands.
Rich people, they're only encountering other rich people and their children are fucking, you know, not children, but when they grow up, they're fucking.
And then, well, I mean, I guess if we talk about Epstein, some of their children are fucking.
But hasn't it always been public knowledge in terms of like when people want to investigate things?
Like if you go on a plane, say if you fly in a private plane, which most of these guys do, you tell everyone knows who's on the plane.
Like you have to give your ID.
It happens all the time.
Like I have to give my ID all the time.
Even if you're on a private jet.
So they know who's on the planes.
They know.
Like there should be a flight manifest.
And they probably save those.
And like that, the fact that, and no one's saying that just because you went there, you didn't do, it doesn't mean you necessarily did a heinous crime.
Because I think you can't just have it chaos over there.
I bet it was a real good honeypot where there's a lot of sophisticated intellectual discourse.
You got a lot of brilliant people there.
You've got great music.
You know, you got like famous people are hanging around too.
It seems really cool.
And then if there's blackmail, the blackmail is like snooking all this.
Okay, the Senate voted 51 to 49 to defeat an amendment that would have forced the Department of Justice to release all files related to Jeffrey Epstein.
The vote was largely along party lines with two Republicans joining all Democrats and supporting the amendment.
He said he had a girl on his lap while they talked.
The girl was like 21 years old.
And he, I think, I think he said she was Asian.
I don't remember.
But he said she was really beautiful.
And she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her up and down while they were talking.
So talking about finance and her boobs are juggling.
So he goes, she wasn't underage or anything.
She was a woman.
But she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her around and her boobs were bouncing in his face while they were like while they're trying to concentrate on whatever the fuck they're talking about.
So you don't know what the we hear it was underage girls.
We know that some of them were underage for sure.
And then we also know that some of them were not underage.
They were young women.
And they all have like one of them wound up dying recently.
One of them that's been a whistleblower died.
Imagine you're a young girl and you're fucking broke.
And then you meet that guy and he invites you to go on a fucking island somewhere or party somewhere.
And you're hanging out with all these fucking creeps.
And then years later, when all it starts coming out, what happened?
You go public and you don't have any money.
You don't have any money.
And you got these fucking billionaire sharks who want to take you out because you suck their dick 30 years ago.
Or whatever it was.
Yeah.
That's got to be terrifying.
Lawmaker claimed the files included one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, one royal prince, one high-profile individual in the music industry, one very prominent banker, one high-profile government official, one high-profile former politician, one owner of a car company in Italy, one rock star, one magician, at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada.
We know these people exist in the FBI files, the files that you control.
The DC Madam story was this lady got busted and she had a book filled with high-profile individuals from Washington that she and her ladies were servicing.
You give enough money to this politician or that politician, and it's not like you own them, but they know you gave them all this money, and they know they want to run again.
They also know that you've got your own constituents and you have a lot of control, network of bots that you could easily unleash on the internet.
And so I think it's a safe bet that more, it's highly likely that it's donors who are on that list and who are compromised for real, who are exerting massive amounts of pressure on the federal government to not release those fucking files.
And it could be that it's an existential threat.
It could be that it would cause so much tumult that it could lead to an actual uprising.
It could lead to like a bunch of us with torches standing around the fucking castle ready to burn the vampire out.
And I think that that must be it.
Because if I'm a career politician, dude, I don't want to vote against releasing something that is going.
If there are monsters among us, we need to know.
Dude, in my neighborhood, we got a scary ass fucking letter.
Sex offender.
If you're just a basic bitch sex offender and you move anywhere in Texas, mass mail goes out with your picture on it and your fucking address.
You know what I mean?
So why is it that there are these very same people who are working right now, who are out there, nobody knows, who are actual predatory pedophiles, and our government is protecting them.
That there's truly evil people in the world, truly evil people in the world that want a child to do terrible things and they'll pay a lot of money to get one.
It's like if you've never encountered real evil, you wouldn't believe that that would be possible.
But then when you find out the numbers of kids that went missing that came across the border, the number of kids where they have no trace of them, they have no idea where they went.
We're talking thousands and thousands of kids.
Now, I'm not saying they all got sex trafficked, but I bet some of them did.
They go back to normal because they don't have long-term memory like we do.
So they don't get freaked out.
But it's like, what we're talking about here is the lions.
You have to acknowledge, and it's uncomfortable to acknowledge it.
And I don't think people acknowledge it enough.
There is actual evil in the world.
There is an omnipresent force in the world.
And this is what I love in the Bible when they say it's powers and principalities.
There is a, I don't know what you want to call it, an agregore, I guess you could say, a kind of connective embodiment of what it means to be off the path, what it means to be selfish, what it means to be self-concerned, what it means to rationalize hurting other people.
And that thing has a personality.
It's out there, dude.
It's fucking out there.
And it gets it, you know, I like, you know, whenever you find yourself talking shit about yourself, whenever you find yourself really down on yourself, or whenever you find yourself really like, you know, like thinking the things that would lead you to killing yourself, that is contact with what I think is, for lack of a better word, a demonic entity.
That's a good thing to think of, that you can get to a place where you, and I don't mean enlightened like better than everybody else, but you're free of all the bullshit.
You're free of all this self-induced hypnotic gaze on TikTok and Instagram reels and arguments on X and threads and fucking blue sky if you're really gone.
Yeah.
And you can just be a person and just exist and be in tune with life and with nature and with the people around you and maybe get out of the city.
Fuck yeah.
Maybe back out a little bit, get to someplace that's nice and calm, live with like-minded people.
But I do think there's good choices and bad choices for how to run a government based on what I've seen for the bad choices, you know, the results like Portland.
This is a bad choice.
Like what you guys are doing is a bad choice, you know?
And maybe when you get to a certain number of people and a certain number of mental health issues, like if you try to take over LA right now, you know, imagine if you had to be the mayor of LA today.
Like good luck, bitch.
Good fucking luck.
Have so many things on your docket, so many things you have to handle, and you've got a hundred thousand homeless people.
I just had this guy, Ragu Marcus on, and he was talking about, someone in his podcast told him, why don't, why is it the Ten Commandments and not the Sermon on the Mount?
Like, you know what I mean?
If we're going to put something there, like, I think it's Danny Coleman said that, if we're going to put something there, why not put blessed are the meek?
Blessed are the peacemakers.
You know, why are we putting, like, if we're going, if we're doing Bible shit, let's do sermon on the.
It definitely is like if you like, only because if we're going to sort of look at like the like Christianity as the sort of like the flower growing from that entire lineage,
it does seem like there's just that the idea was that Jesus comes around as a kind of like evolution of these principles, like also as a kind of like God, like God is like recognizing like that the whole flood thing wasn't maybe the best move.
And there's, you know, and it was also a kind of like, It lays out a really revolutionary, I think, a really revolutionary way to live in the world, which is meeting violence with nonviolence.
That's crazy.
That's crazy, but it does disrupt the whole cycle.
They want to fight back against the fucking Romans.
Here's this very charismatic person who can reach into a tomb and pull out dead people and curing people's blindness by spitting in his hand, rubbing mud in his hands and putting it on their fucking eyes, curing lepers.
And you're like, come on, baby.
All you got to do is tell us to fucking overthrow these Romans.
If you can raise the dead, I bet you can throw fireballs.
You know what I mean?
And then the answer is like, to all of that is like, no, no.
She escapes the war and just gets randomly stabbed by some guy who had gotten out multiple times and he had been treated in a rehab center that one of the so find the story behind that Because I want to know, like, there's some accusations that I don't know if they're necessarily true.
I don't want to say it, but the whole thing is this guy had been doing horrible shit and getting out of jail over and over and over.
The two, I just had Bishop Robert Barron on my podcast.
Oh, dude.
I had a bishop on, and he's awesome.
And let me tell you, after I had the bishop on, in my whole career of podcasting, people have never come at me.
I've had Satanists on.
I've had all kinds of just Riley Reid.
You know, I've had all kinds of people on my podcast.
The only time I really started getting some shit was because I had a bishop on who said everything he said was very sweet.
And like, oh, and I asked him right away, I was like, why are Christians the most persecuted people on the planet right now?
Like, Christians get fucked up.
And he talked about it a little bit.
And then right after that, that Catholic fucking school, that Catholic at mass, at mass, the fucking trans shooter came and just shot people while they were praying.
And then Charlie fucking Kirk gets shot.
And then not to mention all over the world, like Christians getting slaughtered.
But his answer to it was so measured.
And like, whoa, dude, like, I'm more perturbed.
And I've been to mass like maybe five times.
But what he said, Satan, he said, Satan is known as the accuser and the scatterer, the scatterer.
And so if you want to identify what if you look at what's happening and from those using those terms, is it dividing?
Is it scattering?
If so, it's satanic in the sense that it's turning neighbor upon neighbor, brother upon brother, son upon father, and it's scattering all of us.
You know, it's like what could be a cohesive human family is being just scattered to the fucking winds.
There's been significant destruction of mosques in Nigeria, particularly due to Boko Haram insurgency and other violent conflicts.
Boko Haram, actively, actively, primarily, active, excuse me, primarily in northeastern Nigeria, has deliberately targeted both mosques and churches during attacks, killing worshipers and destroying places of worship.
Dude, I mean, this has to give you pause because, like, you know, any secularist out there, any anti-Christian person out there, and there's a surprising amount, a surprising amount.
And then they think that this fucking guy who has this giant megachurch, these people that have stadiums filled with their worshipers, they're flying around in private jets, driving in Rolls Royces.
They think of that as Christianity, too.
And then they think of the nutty people that believe in demons.
It was just, it was, it was really just talking about how important it is to help poor people.
That's it.
Some like, you know, some choir singing.
Like none of that was happening.
And really, when you think about the fact that how many Catholic churches there are, that day on planet Earth, all the people representing all levels of economic status were being told, you could do more to help poor people than you're doing right now.
And it's like anytime there's hierarchy, anytime there's bureaucracy, anytime there's organization, especially anytime there's mysticism, it's going to be infiltrated.
That part of it, to me, is always seem like, you know, how can you...
This is the other thing, man, with the declining birth rates and people not being able to have kids or not wanting to have kids because it's too fucking expensive.
It's like, it's worrisome to me.
Because ever since I had kids, you like have a whole different connection to the world than when you don't have kids.
And it humanizes you.
It grounds you in the earth.
All your chips are on the fucking table, man.
And it's intense.
And I do think, like, as a spiritual guide to people, it does make me scratch my chin.
It's like, you have never been around a third trimester pregnant person who just found out there might be mice in the house.
And all the other things that go around along with being married and having kids and all the heights and lows and all the shit you learn about yourself.
I do feel like you're by not letting them have families, you are kind of keeping them out of this part of the human experience that is really good for people.
And, you know, that sounds overly simplified because it is.
Yeah, for sure.
There's some circumstances where that's not an option and it's not possible and you're living in a fucking terrible state, terrible state of life, right?
You could be in the worst, most abusive environments.
And that's the real problem in this world is that we allow those places to exist while we think about things that are just bananas.
Think about like wealth extraction and pulling stuff out of the ocean and figuring out how to do this and that and spending all this money on this and that and defense and this and that and then completely ignoring the people on your timeline that are in life or death struggle through no fault of their own.
They were just born into the wrong family in the wrong neighborhood in the wrong timeline and they're fucked.
And the only difference between you and them is you got lucky and you were born in a good timeline.
And if we allow that to continue to happen, you're always going to have the same kind of problems over and over and over again.
There's gotta be a way to at least tilt that in a positive direction and build on it and actually have businesses that are financially incentivized for success.
People like that place that I was telling you about in Oakland, that video, where they're driving through the shantytowns, and then immediately they get to this totally clean environment that's run by different politicians.
There's got to be a way to do that.
There's got to be a way to engineer our society in a more positive direction.
Dude, the first step is you've got to turn your back on the state.
You cannot believe the state is going to do this because I think people are waiting for a top-down solution.
They're waiting for a man, what's his name?
The New York dude.
They're waiting for someone to like sign the right series of documents and everything's fine.
And meanwhile, they're like in their fucking high rise with crusted jizz on their belly posting shit on Reddit.
It's like, really, this is going to be all hands on deck.
It's like maybe the federal government is going to figure out the perfect way to educate and house and clothe and all this stuff.
And that'll be great.
But in the meantime, every single one of us, every single one of us, could do something.
Not a big deal, not a big thing, but something.
And instead of it, like, it's like when they say the government shut down the national parks, there's trash.
I saw a picture trash around a dumpster.
And it's like, any one of us could drive a truck up to that fucking dumpster and clean up that trash.
Why are we waiting for the federal government to do this shit?
That's the problem is the federal government's got us all hypnotized into thinking we need them to do these things.
And I would, by the way, that'd be great.
I think people living next to an open-air drug market slash mental asylum would be quite pleased if the taxes that they were paying went towards getting these people medical care somewhere far away from their apartment.
And, you know, that's, as I was like watching Doom Scroll and looking at all the Oakland videos and stuff, this dude's interviewing people out there, soup kitchens, giving out food.
And boy, that'll make you feel like a piece of shit.
This guy's just helping.
This is nobody.
This is like, you'll never, this guy's not filming themselves, taking fucking selfies.
He's telling the stupid story at the time he gave up sandwiches to someone with his kid like I did in the beginning.
This is just people out there.
They interview this guy.
Why are you doing this?
And he's like, I mean, it just seems like that's what you're supposed to do.
And, dude, the moment we don't even know what would happen if under the yoke of whatever the regime happens to be, instead of flapping our fucking like fireworks in front of ice, you know, if like all of us were just going out there and like, I don't know, I don't know.
I can bear.
I suck at all most things, dudes.
But it's like, it's not that hard to like give water to people out there.
And I think, especially if you're involved in evil acts.
So say, imagine you start off in some sort of military and you're in a foreign country and you're killing a bunch of people and then you take over a town and then things escalate and you continue your career doing horrible things for decade after decade.
And then you start to get into power and then you get into political power and then you start running the country and then you overthrow the government.
And then you become a dictator and then you do horrible shit.
Horrible shit.
You're Saddam Hussein, right?
You have your sons are feeding women to dogs in the basement.
Yeah.
The real horrible, horrible, horrible shit.
Yeah.
That is evil.
Like, I had Jack Carr, the author, on the podcast yesterday.
They would take people and they would kidnap them, right?
So they would sack a town and they'd take all the people and everybody that gave in and surrendered, they'd put them at the front of the line and then they would start attacking the city.
And all the people would just get crushed by the enemy.
So by the time they just pushed them forward, they would get thousands of people in front of them and push them into a city.
And those people are just getting hacked apart because there's people that are trying to stop the siege.
And what's interesting is people, I think, like around the world, regardless of the culture that you're raising, we all have a similar sense of evil versus good.
That's where it gets curious.
It's like people, it seems like people have a sense of like, it isn't good, for example, to like fuck a dog corpse.
So from 1077 to 1231, first as vassals of the Seljuk Empire and the Khwara, Kitai, Western Lao dynasty, from circa 1190 as independent rulers up until the Mongolian conquest in 1219 to 1221.
Never thinking, like, you know, at some point, people are going to be staring at the ruins of our temples, scratching their chins, wondering what this means.
Dude, that, to me, is another unifying thought or planetary unification.
It's like, man, you guys, nobody to this day knows who built those fucking pyramids.
There's labyrinths that they've discovered that are underneath, that are historic.
Herodotus talked about them.
He said they're greater than the pyramids.
The structure underneath some of the pyramids.
Greater than the pyramids.
And through this ground-penetrating radar, they've found a 40-meter-long metallic tic-tac-shaped object that is in this great hall that's under the ground.
So all this stuff exists, but they made a dam on the Nile River in the 1960s to help agriculture, and it changed the water table and it flooded all these underground labyrinths.
Damn it.
So it's like a massive undertaking to try to excavate and figure out what's in there.
They might actually be able to channel underneath it, they think, and go below the water table and then go to it because it appears like the water is not in the labyrinth itself.
First of all, it's important to note that one thing that titillates my dumbass is it just so happens the government shutdown coincides with when we could use the satellites on Mars to get pictures of that fucking thing.
Well, Corbel, he's got to do this tightrope walk because somehow he does have inside contacts, but if he says too much, he puts his whole life in danger.
Do you know that story about how when he was George Bush, the original, Herbert Walker, he wanted to disclose.
And what they were going to say was, we have recovered crashed UFOs that we have back engineered and we have biological entities.
There are things that are not of this world.
And they're far more intelligent than us.
He brought in a bunch of scientists and a bunch of scholars.
And I want you to write down on the positives and the negatives of society, like the societal impact of disclosure and give a numerical value to what it's going to do to the financial world, what it's going to do to the religious world, what it's going to do to government.
And at the end, they all had the same conclusion.
The cons far outweighed the pros in terms of disruption of society.
And it's funny because we became friends really talking on the phone when you were the guy taking the phone calls for availabilities at the comedy store.