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Joe Rogan Experience #2389 - Sal Vulcano
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unidentified
Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan.
Podcast by night, all day.
Yep.
What up?
What's up?
sal vulcano
When was the last time I saw you?
It was, I was here promoting my special.
Man, it was June of last year.
joe rogan
Damn, time flying.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
A fucking whole year.
sal vulcano
You haven't had a child since then, even.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Look at you out there breeding.
sal vulcano
Right.
Interesting to the population.
How old are you?
40.
I'll be 49 in November.
joe rogan
Did you do the math like when your kid's 20?
sal vulcano
I've done every math.
Every piece of math you could do.
It's depressed.
joe rogan
It's healthy.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
No, I am.
That's exactly what happened.
I started with a trainer four weeks ago and just did all this blood work and taking all these scans and tests and stuff now just because I'm like, I have to.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I had to be here as long as possible.
joe rogan
It changes the game when you have children.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can fuck off and do Coke and heroin and fucking sleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Luckily, I wasn't doing that.
No, but as soon as you have a kid, you're like, oh my God, I want to leave my kid.
sal vulcano
I was eating because of cereal.
I was like backing out of the driver without looking, but like now.
joe rogan
Most of my Instagram algorithm is things that I shouldn't eat.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like sandwiches, sandwiches and pizza.
sal vulcano
You have trouble with that stuff?
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
No, not at all.
joe rogan
No, I don't have trouble.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just know it's not good for you.
Yeah.
Mostly I eat good stuff.
sal vulcano
What's like a you?
Yeah, you're like an like an egg white.
joe rogan
No, I eat yolks.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
Yolks are the healthy part.
unidentified
Yolks.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I eat the whole egg, but I have chickens.
So what fresh eggs?
sal vulcano
Are you like a like, do you have like a diet like an Olympic, like are you like an Olympian?
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
Are you like weighing your food and like?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I eat way too much.
If I weighed my food, I'd be like, I eat for a 300-pound man.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Is that because that's because of how much you exercise and stuff?
joe rogan
It's that, but it's also I'm a glutton.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm a glutton.
sal vulcano
But you could do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I can get away with it.
But I do eat a lot.
Like if I go out to dinner, I will eat a large steak.
I will have multiple sides of multiple appetizers.
And then I look like I'm pregnant when I leave.
sal vulcano
That's how you eat.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just kind of die.
I eat a lot of food, man.
It's not smart.
sal vulcano
How do you burn all your calories?
Is it all like you have, is it all like jiu-jitsu stuff or whatever?
joe rogan
I do a lot of working out, but I also do intermittent fasting.
I'm just smart about when to be a glutton and then when to back off.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I just don't keep my foot on the gas.
That's all.
But like when I go to New York, it's all Italian food.
It's Italian food for like three days.
unidentified
You gotta.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have to.
sal vulcano
I can eat it every day.
joe rogan
I could too.
It's a problem.
It's a problem.
It's all Italian subs and pasta.
sal vulcano
You have favorite spots in New York?
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I got a bunch of spots.
I got a bunch of spots.
I got a spot in Vegas, too.
We were just at this place, Gaetano's.
It's all handmade pasta with imported flour from Italy.
We ate there after the fights.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
I love it.
sal vulcano
I have to go there.
I'm going through Vegas on it.
I'm still touring the tour that I was here with last that started in 24.
I'm going through till all the way through 26.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damn.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I took like a three-month.
Well, I took a break when I had my new baby, and then I took like a little bit of a, like a six-month, but now I'm like back at it full.
I got a bunch of big shows coming up, so I was like, let me get out there and like tell people I'm still alive.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got, you got to get out there if you want to do something because it's like, you know, if you just work in the city, you can't really put together an hour.
sal vulcano
No, I mean, I piece it together.
I mean, I'm constantly on the road.
I just, I just went down just to have a little bit of a breather because we just finished rapping season 12 of the show.
And so I was touring and doing the show, and I had, and I had a kid.
So it's like, I just couldn't even, and then we produced another show and all that shit in between.
So it's like, I just haven't been, I went on hiatus on my podcast and stuff because I had to, something had to give.
So now it's like, let me just get back out there.
And just now I'm not filming.
I'm just really focusing on the tour and like a new pod I got coming out.
joe rogan
When you do stand up, do you take guys with you that are your friends on the road?
Yeah, that's the move.
sal vulcano
Yeah, all the time.
joe rogan
That's the only way to go.
sal vulcano
It makes it, it makes it fun.
Yeah, fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're with buddies.
It's like a vacation that you get to work at.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
If I didn't, it can get depressing fast.
joe rogan
Real fast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're solo.
sal vulcano
Super fast.
joe rogan
If you're solo and you're working with local openers, especially if they're boring.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're not fun to hang out with.
sal vulcano
Oh, yeah.
That's in the club in the groom.
I'm even talking about the hotel and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, that's bad, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just got to find things to do.
For me, it's always I work out and I play pool.
So those are two things that occupy a lot of my time.
So that's good.
sal vulcano
I didn't work out and I didn't play pool.
So I'm like, I got, I got this guy, right?
And I'm like, all right, I'm weak.
I have no stamina.
I'm old.
And like, I need to reverse all this, you know, like, so, like, you're going to start with me now, and I'm really going to show you nothing.
joe rogan
Like, I, well, that's good.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
That means where I am.
joe rogan
But that's good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'll be able to see progress.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's always, no matter where you're at, if you're thinking about working out, do it because it's a good place to start, no matter where you're at.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're really fit, great.
Good place to start.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get even more fit.
If you're out of shape, great.
Good place to start.
Good place to start.
Baby steps.
Don't go too hard.
Don't get hurt.
Build up slow.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I got some blood work back and I was like, all right, I need to change somebody's numbers.
And like, also, I got like a, it's like an in-depth blood work.
And like, they, like, they told me all this extra stuff that I couldn't have known.
And one is, I'm very susceptible to soft tissue injury.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a bitch.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I'm a bitch.
It said bitch.
I was transit on the paper, and then this is how I make myself feel better about it.
joe rogan
How do they determine whether you're soft tissue?
Whether you're a bitch or not?
That doesn't even make any sense.
sal vulcano
I don't know.
It just said I'm very susceptible to like, like, I guess, whatever it is, ligament bruising, ligament, like that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Well, that's just from years of not lifting weights.
That's all that is.
sal vulcano
You think that's just changed my blood so that that's it.
unidentified
Yeah?
joe rogan
100%.
sal vulcano
Well, I told the guy, and he's like, all right, that's good to know.
And then, like, like my sixth session, I like we were doing that thing where like I throw a medicine bowl down really hard and then like catch it and then swing it to him.
And like on the swing to him, I was like, ah!
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta, I would never have you do stuff like that to start out with.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
To start out, you should do bodyweight stuff and you should do it like moderately.
Like when I had a bunch of guys in here, we were doing comedians' workouts on Tuesdays.
And one of the things that we always did was sometimes do it Tuesdays and Thursdays.
But one of the things we always did, and if anybody's just starting out, I'm like, do not go to failure.
Do not push yourself.
I want you to get out of here and feel fine.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
He did say that.
To be fair.
He's not like killing me or anything.
But we worked up to that.
But that one, then we just backed off of it.
joe rogan
And rotational stuff is difficult because, you know, you're putting all, especially if you're not particularly coordinated and you're throwing a lot of torque, you know, one way or the other way when you're throwing a medicine ball, especially.
sal vulcano
I got tons of torque here.
joe rogan
Torque.
sal vulcano
I got so much torque, right?
joe rogan
Like, what?
I don't understand what would determine whether or not you're more susceptible to soft tissue injury.
The only thing that makes sense is that you haven't been working out.
Like, unless there's a biomarker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is there?
sal vulcano
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Let's try perplexity out as our new sponsor.
Let's find out.
Put that in perplexity.
Find out what is a biomarker that would indicate you're more susceptible to soft tissue injury.
sal vulcano
I had my results in a PDF somewhere.
Or I can call my doctor.
joe rogan
Well, we'll find out.
We'll find out quick.
But it just, to me, the only thing that would make sense is that you haven't been using that tissue.
That's the only thing that would make sense.
And there's probably things that they could show in terms of levels of like creatinine, I think that's how you say it, and maybe some other stuff that would indicate.
Here it goes.
What biomarker would indicate one susceptible to soft tissue injuries?
Well-supported biomarker that indicates susceptibility to soft tissue injuries, genetic variant.
Oh, and the elastin ELN gene.
Interesting.
Which has been identified as a marker of ligament weakness and may signal increased risk of injury.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, there you go.
So that's what you have.
sal vulcano
I'm a variant.
I'm a what do you call this X-Men?
I'm a mutant.
joe rogan
So this is the word I was looking for.
Classic serum protein markers like creatine kinase, lactate, what's that word?
Diodrogenase and myoglobin reflect muscle tissue breakdown and can indicate tissue vulnerability or prior damage, but their use in predicting susceptibility as opposed to reaching as opposed to recent injury is less robust.
Recent research has also shown that profiling early healing stages through mass spectrometry spectrum, Jesus Christ, spectrometry can identify multiple proteins whose baseline alterations may point to greater risk for delayed or poor recovery.
Hmm.
So what does this guy got you doing?
Like what is like a typical workout for you?
sal vulcano
He switches it up every single, every single time.
I mean, I've been doing, I've been seeing him about four weeks, three times a week.
joe rogan
How'd you find him?
sal vulcano
He actually lived in the building next to me.
joe rogan
Oh.
sal vulcano
And I ran into him.
This weird stuff has been happening like this lately.
Like I'm like, I really got to get a trainer.
And I was like walking in between, we had a little thing in the between the buildings and he like he just was there talking to someone and I he mentioned because I'm a physical trainer.
I'm like, I need someone.
He's like, I'll walk over.
We'll do it.
So I do it like 6:30 in the morning.
That's the thing that's a little harder, too.
It's like the only time I can do it at 6:30 in the morning because I have like a, you know, that's good, though.
unidentified
No, I know.
joe rogan
I started the right way.
No, you already got a win.
sal vulcano
It is good.
And it's been crazy how much I feel like I've done now by like two o'clock in the afternoon.
But when that alarm goes off at like six, and I know he's waiting downstairs, you know, but I'm just like, now it's because now it's winter, like back home, I don't know about here, but like it's still completely pitch black outside, you know, like so just getting up in that darkness and being like, my wife's sleeping.
I'm putting on a fucking headband.
I sweat.
joe rogan
Like a tennis house.
sal vulcano
I wore a hat first, but I was like, I need to get.
No, I bought, like, I got like fancy with.
I bought like a Lululemon.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
sal vulcano
It's not, it's like, I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I look, I look the part.
unidentified
Okay.
I look stressed.
joe rogan
Listen, that's, it's all the looking the parts fun.
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
It's all part of just fucking doing it.
sal vulcano
It's been good.
I felt immediately.
It's immediately, it changes my this is that release.
It just feels great.
The first workout I felt like right afterwards, I was like, this is amazing.
joe rogan
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
As long as you don't go too hard.
That's what I always tell everybody.
You can't, you're not going to be able to keep up.
If you try a crazy pace right off the bat, you're not going to be able to keep up with it.
And you're not going to be able to recover.
You're going to get broken down.
You got to build it slow.
sal vulcano
It used to take care of itself with like just sports and stuff.
But I don't do that anymore.
I haven't done that in a forever.
Are you a good athlete outside of whatever training you do?
Are you at sports?
Do you play any sports?
joe rogan
The only sport I played, I played baseball when I was a kid.
And then once I started doing martial arts when I was in my early teens, I quit everything.
Wow.
sal vulcano
And just focused on that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Well, for me, it's like I hated team sports because I'm kind of, you know, stubborn.
And like, I either struck out or hit a home run, no matter what happened.
They were always like, get on base.
I'd be like, right.
Like, fuck it.
I'm going for the bleach, bitch.
And either I was a hero or everybody was mad at me.
And that's how I always played.
I didn't care.
Like, I'm not going to be a loser because Billy drops the ball in the fucking left field.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I don't care.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, and so then when I found wrestling, I was like, okay, this is better.
This is just me.
And then I got into martial arts and I was like, okay, this I like, this is just like, I can, I either put in the work and get better or I don't.
I either win or I lose.
There's no weird gray area.
The only gray area is decisions.
Decisions sucked because there's a lot of biased judges.
And, you know, if you're in like someone's hometown and you're ass terrible.
sal vulcano
That's blatant.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Don't you remember Roy Jones Jr. in the Olympics?
joe rogan
Roy Jones Jr., it was actually a beautiful moment because Roy Jones Jr. in the Olympics, he boxed beautifully.
It was a perfect performance in the finals and he lost.
There's no way he lost, but it was in Korea and it was against the Korean national champion.
And so the Korean national champion, he won the gold medal and then came to visit Roy Jones recently and gave him the gold medal and said, you should have won that fight.
sal vulcano
Like recently, recently?
joe rogan
Yeah, recently, recently.
sal vulcano
Wow.
Never?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
But when I was a kid and I watched that, I was so disheartened because I had seen that in Taekwondo a lot.
I had seen that in kickboxing a lot.
And it's just, it's embarrassing.
It's just when you see like blatant, obvious corruption.
And that, to me, that decision is one of the worst examples of blatant corruption because Roy Jones just ran away with that fight.
The only thing he didn't do is knock that guy out, but he beat his ass.
sal vulcano
They don't feel repercussions when it's that obvious.
joe rogan
It's all subjective.
It happens in the UFC.
sal vulcano
Yes.
joe rogan
It happens in the UFC all the time.
There's bad decisions.
And, you know, and it's infuriating.
It's infuriating to the athlete, too, because particularly in the UFC, there's a win bonus.
So imagine if you beat a guy, like you really hit the gas in the second and third round.
You fucking burn yourself out.
You get the decision.
You're like, I fucking did.
I did it.
Your corner celebrated.
We got it.
We got the last two rounds.
All you, all you.
And then you hear the judges and you're like, no fucking way.
They robbed me.
And it happens.
It happens all the time.
So, so say if you're a young guy and you're starting out in the UFC and you have a contract, maybe it's like 15 and 15.
What that means is you get 15,000 to show and then 15,000 to win.
So if you lose, you only get that 15,000.
So those judges just stole $15,000 from you when you're struggling just to feed yourself, right?
And if you're getting $15,000 to fight, you have to pay for managers.
You have to pay for your gym fees.
You have to pay for nutrition.
You have to pay for supplements.
Maybe you're getting a massage once a week.
You got to pay for that.
It's like, you don't have any money.
Zero money.
You have to work a job.
There's no way you're doing that without a job.
If you're lucky, you could teach.
If you're lucky, you can maybe teach private life.
Like if you're a jiu-jitsu guy or a kickboxer, you could teach people during the day.
But other than that, man, you fucking, you're barely getting by, and they just stole 15 grand from you.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It happens all the time.
sal vulcano
And nothing comes of it, right?
There's a peels of bullshit.
joe rogan
We get mad.
You know, we talk about it in the commentary.
And we, you know, Daniel particularly gets upset because he was a professional fighter and he's seen it.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, but it's like, they always say don't leave it in the judges' hands.
But that's nonsense because these guys, you're not good enough to knock them out.
And if you try to knock them out, you're going to get knocked out.
It's like you have to fight smart.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So like you always should fight the best you can, but smart.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you don't do that, you shouldn't be a professional fighter.
It's because you're going to get beat up when you shouldn't get beat up.
You're going to get hurt when you shouldn't get hurt.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I never did anything.
I took karate for like six months.
I never did.
It was team sports for me, but it was, I wasn't particularly at that.
I actually, when the first year our grammar school got a basketball team, I was in seventh grade.
And so if you were in eighth grade, you automatically made varsity.
And then whatever remaining spots you have to try out.
I wasn't really good, right?
But I tried out and I was the last one cut.
So I was the very first person to be placed on the JV team.
unidentified
Oh, no.
sal vulcano
So the best of the JV, right?
I we didn't have a coach.
The school did not have a basketball program.
So my friend's mom, who prior to this just owned a bakery, she was like, I'll coach.
I mean, she had no experience outside of pastries.
And she got like a clipboard, like a whiteboard clipboard.
And we met at the school gym and she started running drills with us.
And it was like, whoever else wanted to play can play.
So, yes, I got cut last.
So I was, you know.
How'd you do?
I was the MV.
So I was MVP of the team for the season.
joe rogan
Nice.
sal vulcano
Went to the awards ceremony.
No, let me finish talking.
joe rogan
Oh, sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, you'll see.
sal vulcano
The team, first of all.
So we weren't good.
We knew we weren't good.
And we were like, okay, watch, this first team we're going to play is going to be like amazing.
So we show up for this first game.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
We get to the Catholic CYO Center.
It's like the Catholic Youth Organization gym.
We get there.
Every single kid on that team is just like Dominican or like we were all like the scorny little white kids.
These kids were like six feet tall already.
I'll never forget it.
I walked in and you do drills in the beginning before you start the game.
You all go in the line and take layups on your side.
They're taking layups on their side.
And I remember I locked eyes with some kid and he looked at me and he was dribbling the ball backwards through his legs as he walked backwards.
And he didn't break eye contact with me.
And then he like ran up and like, he did a layup and like tapped the backboard or whatever.
We lost 44-0.
44-0.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
So at the end of the game, you're supposed to like line up and you all like, you know, touch hands or whatever.
And you go upstairs and there's a little rec room and you get like some Fritos and a juice box or whatever.
So this, the parents were there and the parents of this team were engaged.
I mean, I mean, shutout in basketball is pretty tough.
And the parents were going nuts.
And so at the end, when the buzzer sounded, like the parents were chanting, 44-zip, zip, 44-zip.
And they were chanting it like loud, right?
And then when we got online, the kids started chanting.
The parents started chanting.
The parents ran onto the court and I just literally like, and we're shaking hands.
They were all chanting 44-zip.
We go all together up the stairs to get the juice box done.
The parents are screaming it up the hallway 44 right in our face, like 44-zip, zip.
I mean, literally, it was like the most humiliating experience.
Next game, we played Blessed Sacrament.
We lost 56-3.
I had three points.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
sal vulcano
Two points and a foul.
A bucket and a foul, right?
And then we proceeded to go 0-14 on the year.
The last game of the season at halftime, I don't know what happened.
We looked up and we were winning.
It was the first time we ever had a lead.
It was the last game of the year.
It was halftime.
And someone was like, holy shit, we're fucking winning.
And we looked up and it was like 18-16 or something.
And we lost.
So they proceed to have the awards dinner.
Well, you know, everyone goes all the teams.
It's like it's a sports dinner.
So, like, they're doing all the awards for varsity JV across all the platforms, and they insisted on doing it.
unidentified
So, I was the MVP, I was the MVP of the team because you scored the only three points.
sal vulcano
I had 16 points on the season, 14 games, 16 points.
I had to get up in front of everyone at the buffet and take the trophy that said Salvo Cano, MVP, JV, you know, 1990, whatever it was.
And I just was like, thank you.
You know, like 0-40, I had 16 fucking points.
I have that.
I have that trophy right now in my den on my mantle.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's hilarious.
sal vulcano
16 points on the season.
joe rogan
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Boy, that'll teach you a sense of humor.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I mean, right away, I would say.
joe rogan
44 zip zip in your face by grownups.
sal vulcano
Yeah, Jesus.
I mean, like, going like that.
joe rogan
What kind of sportsmanship is that?
sal vulcano
There was none there that day.
There was none there that day.
joe rogan
There's something to be said for that.
There's something to be said for that.
sal vulcano
We had no business to be out of there.
I can only imagine what it looked like.
joe rogan
Like, if they want their kids to be pros, you know, if they want the kids to really dominate, you got to really encourage the shit out of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and for a lot of people, look, if you've got a kid that's six feet tall already and, you know, he's fucking 14 and he's really good already at basketball, you're like, we might get rich.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, this is like a shot.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it's true.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it's a giant shot.
sal vulcano
Their own farm system.
joe rogan
I mean, if a kid can make it in professional sports, oh my God.
You know, it's your kid.
And if you're lower-income people and you have a kid and your family's really into sports.
sal vulcano
I hope it's a way out.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
I mean, it's like one of the rare things.
sal vulcano
It's a lot of pressure on those kids.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
I could imagine.
sal vulcano
We didn't have uniforms, our team.
Every other uniforms.
We had uniforms.
No, we wore a gym uniforms, which was like, you know, like the short shorts and like just the t-shirt and stuff.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
sal vulcano
And me, I was like such, I tucked mine in.
My socks are up to my knees.
That kind of thing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have to pitch it.
sal vulcano
It's my little giants or whatever.
There's no win at the end, though.
joe rogan
It doesn't have to fail miserably.
You don't have to win.
sal vulcano
You know how hard it was to accept that trophy?
It was hard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
But now it's like, great.
It's like, I have the trophy and I like, I should, I never did it on stage.
I should maybe work that into it.
joe rogan
It's a good setup for being a comedian.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that kind of like humility.
It's like, it humbles you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good setup.
Like, you got to realize.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're not all created equal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a crock of shit.
sal vulcano
I'm funnier than any one of those kids.
unidentified
I'll tell you that.
joe rogan
There you go.
Like the idea that everyone's created equal physically is that's a hilarious idea.
You haven't met any extreme athletes.
There's people out there that are just, they're different than all of us.
Just, it's not fair.
That's just how the universe works.
Some people's great-grandparents were fucking Vikings.
sal vulcano
Like for real Vikings.
I've been trying to figure out what else to do.
Like I just, I need some type of outlet because it's like, I haven't been doing why don't you take up a sport?
Well, so I have.
So another thing that happened to me, this was the weirdest thing ever.
I was like, it just popped into my head.
I don't know why.
I was like, I think I want to learn how to sail.
What I think I might have meant prop maybe is like, I want to learn how to drive a boat.
But like I was like, I think I want to learn how to sail.
And so I was telling this to my wife and then like, just same thing as the trainer.
Like a few days later, it was like four days later.
I was at music class with my daughter and one of the dads was there with his daughter.
And I was inviting him to go somewhere, like a group activity.
And he was like, I'd love to, but I can't.
I teach sailing that day.
And I was like, are you serious?
joe rogan
He's like, yeah, I was like, and you were already thinking about it.
sal vulcano
Four days ago, I said to my wife, I want to learn how to sail.
He goes, let's go.
joe rogan
Do you think that you have the ability to manifest things like that in your life?
Do you ever wonder?
sal vulcano
I don't think.
I don't think that's it.
joe rogan
There are people that believe that.
There are people that believe that the way your consciousness interacts with the universe is what makes things happen.
sal vulcano
Fucking stuff.
joe rogan
Things don't happen exactly as randomly as we want to believe that they do.
But there are things that you do where you put energy out there.
I'd like to know what it is.
There's a lot of examples of it.
It's a weird one to believe in because I feel like it's an element to life.
And the problem is people are always looking for it to be the element, like the thing.
Like, do you remember that movie, The Secret?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So during that time, a lot of people, unfortunately, got convinced that they could wish their life into existence.
sal vulcano
Yeah, you got like a board.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, a vision board and all that stuff.
I think that is a part of things.
That putting something into your head is a part of things.
But I don't think it's the whole thing.
And I think if you think of it as the primary thing, instead of thinking of it as the whole, like the whole thing is all these different pieces.
Like if you want to get healthy, you have to eat well.
You have to take vitamins.
You have to exercise.
You have to sleep.
You have to drink plenty of water.
You have to cut out all the bad stuff like alcohol.
So there's a lot of elements.
It's not just workout.
There's a lot of elements.
And I think that's the thing with like manifesting stuff.
I don't think it's entirely bullshit.
I think there's something to it.
sal vulcano
I mean, look, you start, you know, you start lining all your ducks in a row.
eventually, you know, something's going to be cohesive.
But the thing of me running into a guy that...
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
sal vulcano
That's like what's that?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
The sailing and the fitness train.
Like, right when you're putting it out there, there's a lot of people that believe this and that believe that what we think of as physical reality, just being static and locked down, it's not really the case.
And that there's a strange dance between consciousness and physical reality that we're not totally aware of.
And that we don't really have the senses to like be able to measure it, to somehow or another quantify it and put it on a scale.
Like what percentage of how your life goes depends on how you, what kind of energy you put out there.
sal vulcano
Energy's big.
Energy's big.
joe rogan
That's why I'm always very particular about who I hang out with because people think it's no big deal to hang out with idiots.
But the problem is you're absorbing their energy.
And instead of hanging out with really cool people and you absorb their energy and everybody gets out of there feeling fucking great.
What a good time.
What a good time.
sal vulcano
They just suck the energy.
joe rogan
They suck it and they make it about them and they get negative and they're fucking passive aggressive and weird or whatever it is.
It's like, I don't want to deal with him anymore, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
You eventually shed those people off.
joe rogan
You should because they are energy.
It's like you, you can, and I think how you feel personally, like how your life is going, has a giant effect on how your life can go because you're thinking in a positive way.
You know, like you're in the right groove.
You're in the right vibration.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to get real hippie, you want to get all crystally.
But there's something to it.
It's not everything.
It's not the whole thing.
I don't think it should be dismissed because I think there's a reality to it.
Because I just, there's too many times.
Too many times.
Like, how many times have you ever run into a fucking trainer?
And the guy's telling you you're training.
Fucking never, right?
sal vulcano
Sailing one blew me away.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many times have you ever run into someone who takes it?
unidentified
And I took it.
sal vulcano
I went sailing the other day.
Took my first one in a New York Harbor, man.
unidentified
Wow.
sal vulcano
It was crazy.
joe rogan
My parents lived on a sailboat for like two years.
Might have been more.
Might have been a little more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They just started.
Before you were born?
No, no, no, no.
When I was already a grown man.
Like right when I started getting on TV and I started making some loot.
I helped them get this sailboat and they got a sailboat and they just already sailed.
No.
No, they learned how to sail and did it.
sal vulcano
Whoa, because it's not easy, by the way.
joe rogan
Gangster move.
Yeah, and they were like living down like in the Bahamas and shit.
That's living off of a sailboat.
Fuck a few.
sal vulcano
What kind of parents you got?
My parents, this is a foreign idea to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just took this chance.
They just decided to let's see.
sal vulcano
They lived on it?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, with a cat, too, with our cat that we had when we were kids.
The cat was on the boat with them.
This is fascinating.
Yeah, they were, they took, well, they're still alive.
I shouldn't say they were.
They are.
They like to live life.
sal vulcano
You want to visit them on the boat?
joe rogan
I did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I visited them on the boat.
Yeah.
It was fun.
I didn't visit them in the Bahamas.
I visited them when they had it out here.
Oh, they had it in America.
But it was interesting because to be able to do that, that's a crazy skin.
And they had to weather some storms.
Like they had to get docked up during a storm.
My stepdad had to go out to someone else's boat because it wasn't tied down.
And he had to tie this dude's boat down in the middle of a fucking storm.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's like life risk.
joe rogan
Life-risky.
sal vulcano
Yeah, life-risky.
joe rogan
Dangerous shit.
They did it for a couple years.
My mom was like, What was the life before that?
sal vulcano
Like, was it standard?
joe rogan
No, yeah, he's an architect.
And, you know, because that is a bold choice.
Yeah, it was a crazy choice.
sal vulcano
Not even to just learn.
Because it's like, I'm going to live on this sailboat.
I'm going to go live in a tropical.
I'm going to live.
I'm going to learn how to sail.
joe rogan
I think they just, you know, people don't like work, man.
Like, a regular job, like work sucks.
And if you and you get to a certain point in your life when your kids have left the house and you're like, this is life.
This isn't like preparing for something.
This is life.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
I'm not preparing for life right now.
So I don't want to do this.
I don't like doing this.
Let's just do something else while we can.
sal vulcano
Yeah, because it was.
When you're out on a boat, that's what it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
sal vulcano
It has a way.
It's not really like centering you.
joe rogan
It's like being in the mountains, like being in nature.
When you're in nature, you go to the woods, like, okay, this is just, this is the only thing that matters.
Like, right, this existence.
sal vulcano
I like that because I didn't grow up with that, and that's not common for me.
And it's like the one thing that really resonates with me as far as like shutting my brain off and things like that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, the ocean.
There's a reason why all those rich folks live like right on the ocean.
They're not stupid.
I rented a house once in Malibu.
We were getting our kitchen redone in California, and we couldn't stay in the house.
And so for like four months, we rented a house and we rented this house like on the water.
And you wake up and you sit in the patio and it's these sliding glass doors and you're literally above right above the ocean.
So you see nothing but this little balcony and then water.
And you're like, oh, I get it.
Now I wonder why these people live right next to each other in a $20 million house.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I was like, who the fuck wants to buy a house with no yard?
You're jammed up next to your neighbors.
That's stupid.
And then I got there one morning drinking coffee, sitting there by myself, smoking a joint.
I'm like, okay.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it's like biological.
joe rogan
I get it.
sal vulcano
It's like you can't.
joe rogan
I go, oh, yeah, I get it.
I see what you guys are doing.
Oh, yeah, this is better.
This is like you're watching a show and a work of art at the same time while you're taking in sunshine and fresh clean air from the ocean.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But here's the fucker: the difference between the water in the day and the water in the night is huge.
The water in the day is beautiful.
unidentified
It's blue and you see dolphins and you see seagulls everywhere.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
It's food for the soul.
unidentified
At night, it's a black monster.
joe rogan
At night, when you realize, especially me, because I'm probably a little high at the time.
And I'm looking out that water abyss.
And I'm like, there is billions and trillions of gallons of water out there.
And no one can control it.
And all it takes is the earth just having this one little shift of the tectonic plates.
unidentified
And a fucking wave is coming.
joe rogan
And you're right on the edge.
And I sleep like a log.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like.
sal vulcano
Yeah, if a tsunami's coming, you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this one getting swept away.
I, this is the outer banks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And this ain't even a tsunami.
This is just a house game.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's that's tough, man.
joe rogan
There's a video of this guy walking his dog in Russia, and it's real recent.
And there was a tsunami that there was a giant warning.
They knew it was going to happen because there was a huge earthquake off the coast.
And so they knew it was coming.
So this guy is way up on this cliffside.
Watch this.
Look how high he is.
See how high he is?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Where is he?
Oh, he's that's him and taking the video.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's he's taking his video and he's with his dog.
It's kind of cool when you hear his voice too.
He's like, So look, look how high he was, right?
And look at this water coming in.
Oh, dude, it gets all the way over the top.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Look at the dog.
joe rogan
The dog's almost done.
Dog doesn't know it almost died.
This silly dog is just sitting there.
It keeps going.
Bro, this is banana.
sal vulcano
That's horrifying.
joe rogan
Look how high it gets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's now at this point in time.
He's realizing, like, oh, shit.
Look, it gets over the top.
It crests over the top of the fucking hill.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that's like 100 feet.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
That's insane.
Yeah.
You've seen that perfect storm.
joe rogan
But that's what happens at night.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're sitting there at night, you can't sleep because you're like, what am I doing?
Why would I sleep here?
This is so stupid.
sal vulcano
It's weird how it flips like that.
joe rogan
Just all you have to do is just be real.
Like in the day, you're not real.
Let's say it's like, oh, the sun has given me vitamin D. It's like, at night, it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
This is just water.
An immense amount of water that no one is in control of.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
I was like, just scuba.
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
No?
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
That's their world.
That's their world, dude.
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sal vulcano
I did it.
I did it on a trip in the Cayman Islands.
And I always wanted to do it.
So I was psyched to do it.
And I did one time prior to that in a pool.
So I was like, all right, I'm kind of going to, whatever.
And I almost couldn't go through with it because like the initial descent, they have to put weights on you.
Oh, boy.
And it just goes against everything your body feels.
joe rogan
Your body's like, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
And they say like, you know, try to breathe measured.
If you breathe a lot, you run out of air faster.
joe rogan
Oh, fun.
sal vulcano
Right.
So it's like, yeah, just hearing the fact, oh, you run out of air.
joe rogan
Is the tank, the meter based on how much air is in or how much time?
Like how much you've been breathing?
Like, could you fuck up and breathe too much?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And it wouldn't say E yet?
sal vulcano
No, no.
I mean, I had the little dial.
joe rogan
So it'll show you.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and I was with someone.
But still, by the way, it doesn't matter, by the way.
So it's like, I couldn't get down.
I'm claustrophobic.
And so I think that played into it.
But like you have to start, it just, you have to overcome this sensation that you're maybe drowning or being suffocated.
Like, you know, you go down and the weights start to pull you down and you adjust to breathing through here.
But then that's it.
Like, and if you want to like talk or it's like you don't, you don't feel comfortable and you just want out.
This, you know, you can't just get out.
And once you go down 30 feet or so, you have to like, you know, you can't just shoot up either.
You have to go up slowly, obviously.
I mean, it's not 30 feet is the bends, but like, you know, that whole thing.
joe rogan
And so it's always 30 feet where you get the bends.
sal vulcano
No, I only went 30 feet.
I think that's like very simple stuff.
But I still don't think it's like shoot up.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
It's deeper than that.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
You get too much nitrogen in your blood and you're fucked.
sal vulcano
It's fucked up, right?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
And I got it.
joe rogan
That's their world, bro.
That's not your world.
That's their world.
sal vulcano
Well, it was 30 feet down.
It was still kind of my world.
joe rogan
That's far.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's far.
unidentified
Yeah, but I can't.
joe rogan
Because you're out of breath.
sal vulcano
You can still see our world, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
But if you're out of breath and you got to get to that 30 feet and you're exhausted and out of breath, that's fucking terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Well, it was me and my friend, and that was it.
It was an instructor.
No one else could show up.
It was his birthday.
I was taking him for his birthday, right?
So they like tell you some things that are like, all right, I'm going to go down there with you and like telling you signals and stuff.
You know, like if I do this or if I do, you know, what are the signals were?
And I'm like, all right, I'm trying to like remember these goddamn signals, especially like if I need to communicate something.
joe rogan
Yeah, this should be a test.
sal vulcano
Yeah, there wasn't.
So we go down, I finally overcome it and I get down there.
And like once I got down there and calmed down, I had moments where I was a little panicky again, but like in the moments where I was calm, I was like, all right, I'm going slow.
I'm breathing slow.
This is cool.
And you just kind of start exploring.
And there were these big, like, I guess Oscars, big, these big fish, like the size, like literally the size of almost my body, like five or six of them together just there.
But they weren't like, you know, they couldn't harm you, but like just the sheer size of them was like, I'll stay away from them.
But then this instructor starts swimming forward.
And then my friend is behind her and I'm behind him.
And at one point, like, you know, I'm not good with the paddles.
No, the flippers?
joe rogan
Flippers?
sal vulcano
Is that flippers?
Like, I don't know.
Some people are just good with them, but like, it's kind of like, it's weird.
It's unnatural, an unnatural feeling.
So I'm not good with them.
And I got this fucking tank on me.
And, you know, everything's tight, you know, and it's like, and I'm trying to use the foot prints and I'm not really catching, like I'm kind of falling behind a little bit.
I'm not really doing it great.
And then I start to try to do it faster, but then that like spins me a little bit.
unidentified
So now I'm spinning down there and I'm trying to kick out of it.
sal vulcano
And I like want to communicate to the instructor and she's in front of my friend swimming forward.
And my friends, I'm looking at his ass.
I'm like, I'm just like fucking like, I'm just like waving my hands.
joe rogan
Like that seems wildly irresponsible.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Like she, I don't think she should have led like that.
And when she was, I would say she was probably 20 feet ahead of me swimming forward.
And so at that one point, I was like, this is not like, this is, this is crazy.
She doesn't, I can't get help if I need help right now.
joe rogan
And you're panicking.
sal vulcano
I did.
I panicked.
I started breathing heavy.
unidentified
Of course.
sal vulcano
And I had to like literally just, you know, bring myself back down.
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
So they don't give you any like tests to make sure that you're good at scuba diving?
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
We went in the water first.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
Like in the shallow area.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
And like we did like some exercises and drills or whatever.
And they explained the signs.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
sal vulcano
Did you, what's going to happen?
joe rogan
Did you tell her you're claustrophobic?
sal vulcano
I don't, I don't think I did.
joe rogan
When you say you're claustrophobic, like, are you self-diagnosed or did you go to a mental hospital?
sal vulcano
Self.
joe rogan
You went crazy.
But, but if I, how did you, where do you, where do you get that from?
sal vulcano
Like where, where, where do I think?
Why do I think I have it?
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
What makes you, uh, because I've been in scenarios in confined small spaces where I couldn't get out or I didn't have a lot of mobility.
And I literally got a panic, like we have a panic attack.
Like I stuck, my heart starts beating out of my chest.
I feel like I can't breathe.
joe rogan
So it's like a, an anxiety of being confined to a small space.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Like when I was, um, uh, I did an MRI.
Oh, that was like, I started beating out of my chest and there was one time on a plane a long time.
I don't like to fly either.
So that combined with like, I was in a row, like a really tight row, like scrammed in and I just, I don't know.
I just, it's, it's happened.
A few times in my life where I went to like the, the, the, like the back row of like a, like a, a van where like it was closed in.
Like I couldn't, anywhere where I can't get right out.
And one time I was in a stretcher and I, um, they like lock you, like they strap you in that.
I can't take that.
I can't take it.
joe rogan
What happened to you?
Did you get stretched?
sal vulcano
I was in a car accident.
Yeah.
I was fine.
I was okay.
joe rogan
But they just precautionary put you in a stretcher.
sal vulcano
I was, I was, to tell you the truth, I saw, I was, I was driving and a guy ran a stop sign and like plowed fast and plowed into me.
I was a teenager and my best friend was driving behind me.
So he watched it happen.
So he called right away.
But I, I guess I kind of like, I don't remember.
I got hit.
And then I remember, um, my girlfriend at the time crying and I, I remember talking to her, but I have no vision.
I just hear the words.
And I remember like I was hugging her and I could feel her tears.
And then the next thing I remember in my mind was that I, I was in a stretcher on the floor and I woke up and like the ambulance was there and everything was there.
That's the next thing I remember.
But I'm telling this guy, I'm in this fucking thing and he has me on the floor behind the ambulance and I'm right by the exhaust pipe.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
sal vulcano
I'm just laying on the, and the things like just right by the, I'm like, can somebody fucking move me from away from the exhaust pipe?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
sal vulcano
You know, but, uh, I couldn't, when I'm, when I'm held down like that and confined and I can't move, it's like, I don't know.
I just feel like I can't breathe.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
I start to freak out.
My mom has it.
joe rogan
So I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's, I just wonder what the difference between that and general anxiety is.
Cause if you have general anxiety, I would imagine you would get claustrophobic too.
sal vulcano
So maybe that's what it is.
Well, I'm just telling you what I feel in confined spaces.
joe rogan
Oh, the reason why I'm asking is cause I think we have, excuse me.
I think we have genetic memory of bad stuff.
I think that's why some people are allergic or are terrified of snakes.
Some people will tear it.
Like there's a thing, a real thing, a phytophobia or arachnophobia.
See spider.
Some people like they go into a hot panic.
It's different than anything else.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
And I think there's something like in the genes from, you know, millions of years of evolution where someone down the line died or almost died.
because of one of these fucking spiders or one of these snakes, or you saw someone get killed by a snake and you see them and you fucking lock up.
sal vulcano
How do you explain the phobia of clowns?
joe rogan
I mean, John Gacy.
sal vulcano
There's a bunch of people along the line.
joe rogan
You can't see their real face.
It's scary.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's scary to not be able to see someone's real face.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which was like one of the most fucked up things we did to kids during the pandemic is make everybody wear masks.
Because kids are in school and they're not getting facial expressions.
They're not getting them from teachers.
They're not getting them from their classmates.
sal vulcano
It's weird.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's weird.
That's not good for human development.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that was the norm.
joe rogan
There's something, especially as kids, we don't like if we can't figure your face out.
I can't see your whole face.
You're wearing paint, so I'm not getting the right signals.
You've got a rubber nose on.
You got weird, fucking crazy hair.
I'm like, I don't know if you're cool or not cool.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
If you're a regular guy, and I can tell if you're creepy, I can tell, like, this guy's got weird energy.
Let's get out of here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But a clown's like, hello, boys and girls.
You're allowed to act like in this weird, silly way.
A clown could be right on the line, whether it's demonic or full-on demonic psychopath that you could hide as a clown.
And you could hide with that language, that clown language.
Hi, boys and girls.
Would you like to see a trick?
Meanwhile, you're thinking about cutting that kid up in your basement.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and those are real human beings.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Do you remember when clowns like for a minute were like in the news everywhere because there was like a trend that clowns were terrorizing towns?
It was like five years, like maybe less than 10 years ago.
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
Where I'm from in Staten Island, we had the Staten Island clown.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
sal vulcano
And this, there was a clown just showing up in public spaces and events, just watching people, and then like recessing back into the night, and it would make appearances and started making the papers.
joe rogan
I do remember that.
sal vulcano
Oh, it's wild.
joe rogan
Was it around the time that it came out, though?
sal vulcano
I don't think it was it.
joe rogan
But the book.
sal vulcano
Maybe it was Terrifier.
joe rogan
Oh, that late.
unidentified
Yeah, it was.
joe rogan
So what year was it?
sal vulcano
I think it was like, I would say I would put it out 10 years.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
It was 2016.
sal vulcano
Okay.
But then other places, like other people started doing it.
And then it was like clowns.
And that was kind of fun, actually, though.
joe rogan
I do remember that.
sal vulcano
I like that.
I like that.
I like the idea that there might be a clown that would go out one night and be like, because it almost felt like our version of Summer of Sam or something like that.
People are like, if you're going out tonight, look out for the clowns.
joe rogan
It is weird that there's always been throughout history this Jack the Ripper.
There's always been these people.
unidentified
In Austin, they say they don't know who Jack the Ripper is, right?
joe rogan
I feel like there's some new, but there's always like a story.
New evidence reveals the true identity of Jack the Ripper.
You never know what's just clickbait bullshit.
And you click on it, some nonsense website that tells you they found Jack the Ripper.
So you're not going to get me every time.
sal vulcano
I just clicked on something that said that Christian Bale was Banksy.
joe rogan
Nah.
sal vulcano
There was an article at some point.
joe rogan
Oh, he's an amazing actor.
That guy cannot do anything.
sal vulcano
It's bullshit.
joe rogan
It would be fun if it was.
He's an interesting dude.
You know, he drives like a 1983 Toyota Tundra or a 93.
unidentified
Really?
sal vulcano
Why?
joe rogan
Not even a tundra, a Tacoma.
He's a weird dude.
Just like, this is all I need.
I drive this.
He's got a regular Toyota pickup truck.
I shouldn't have doxed him.
Now people are going to be looking at me.
Yeah, look at him.
sal vulcano
Dude, he's not.
joe rogan
He's got a tundra.
I mean, what's that?
jamie vernon
Banksy thing was April Fool's.
sal vulcano
Oh, was it?
joe rogan
Oh, the Banksy thing was a little bit different.
sal vulcano
Someone sent me a link.
I didn't even know.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be shocked if it was, though.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, as good as that guy is, he could kind of do whatever he wants.
You know, when you get to that level of actor, those are like weird, exceptional humans.
They don't come along that often.
You know, the Gary Oldmans, the Daniel Day-Lewises, there's these people that become another person.
Those weirdos, they could do whatever they want.
If he wanted to be Banksy, I would go, okay.
Yeah, it's not like Banksy's making Mona Lisas everywhere.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it's just like, yeah, they're playing with different rules.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I think.
But I remember I was disappointed when I found out it was him because, you know, it's like, oh, I don't know.
I want it to be mysterious.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing that nobody knows who Banksy is.
Yeah.
I mean, it's really weird, actually.
sal vulcano
Did you see that doc that exit through the gift shop?
joe rogan
I didn't.
sal vulcano
It's pretty interesting.
It's like it follows other artists.
His name's like Mr. He has a moniker that he goes by.
And people thought that he was Banksy.
And so it spends the whole thing following him.
But it turns out he's not.
But it was a fun watch, but it was like, it's just wild to me that after all this time, in the age we're living in now, nothing has gotten like everyone.
How many people know who he is?
Like, you know, how close to the vest is his identity?
joe rogan
Well, he would have to be a truly brilliant person.
sal vulcano
Is it one person?
joe rogan
That would be likely.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
But even then, you know, like, fuck it, I'm coming out with this.
You guys are assholes.
sal vulcano
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You know, like there would be one guy in the band that decides to leave.
sal vulcano
It's got to come out.
joe rogan
Or his girlfriend, you should go to the press.
You could get a lot of money if you go to the press.
It's going to come out eventually.
Just come out.
unidentified
Listen, sell your story before they don't want to buy your story.
We need the money.
Oh, should I do that?
sal vulcano
I didn't know you did voices.
joe rogan
I do that one.
sal vulcano
That's a good one.
That was pretty good.
unidentified
If I close my eyes, that's good.
Sell it.
Sell it.
sal vulcano
No, I don't do that.
joe rogan
Mark, it's $65,000.
Do you have $65,000?
You don't.
But it's going to be worth nothing.
The next thing you know, the band's breaking up.
sal vulcano
That's funny, dude.
That always happens.
I went to invited to this brunch in England.
And it was the guy.
Man, he was a descendant of the guy where it's like, oh, like he, when you're like, when you're thinking about your mom, who's that guy?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Jesus talking about.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
I know.
sal vulcano
I'm literally having a stroke.
joe rogan
I have no idea where you're saying.
unidentified
I know.
sal vulcano
All right.
joe rogan
Jamie, do you know what he's saying?
jamie vernon
He needed a couple more words.
He wasn't getting to it.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
jamie vernon
When you think of your mom, that guy.
sal vulcano
Yeah, the guy.
It's like, what's it go for Freud?
joe rogan
Oh, that's Christian.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
So he's, I think he's a descendant.
joe rogan
So you're talking about like a baseball.
sal vulcano
Freud is like his, I think Freud is like his like great-great-grandfather or something.
And then he also married into like, it's the biggest market, like publication in the biggest like media company conglomerate in overseas, whatever.
I forget his name.
He's super rich, famous family that married into another super rich, famous family.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
Freud family and then like whoever this one is.
Anyway, I'm at this person's house.
Long story short.
I don't remember how I got invited there.
I think his daughter.
joe rogan
Where is it?
sal vulcano
It's somewhere outside of London, and it was unassuming because we walked through row houses through an alley to get to their property.
And I think the daughter of this, I feel bad that I'm forgetting their name because they were gracious hosts.
But the daughter, I think, was a fan of ours or something and somehow got in touch and we got invited there.
It was a weird, wild thing.
So I find myself at this place.
I didn't know anyone.
And I get there and it was a weird collection of people there.
Apparently, this guy hosts a brunch forever.
He's like known for it.
And he has a lot of friends and a lot of celebrity friends.
And so there were celebrities and stuff there at this brunch.
It was really cool.
Walk in.
There was all food trucks and stuff and get into their house.
And at the time, Woody Harrelson was filming a movie in London.
And it was crazy.
It was a one, it was a live movie in one shot.
They rehearsed for this movie for months and months and months, and then a live stream into theaters.
And he acted live, and the entire thing was one shot.
It was like 90 minutes long.
unidentified
Whoa.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I can't believe it didn't get more pressed just from the nature of that.
That's insane.
unidentified
But wow.
sal vulcano
So he was out there for that.
And so he was at this brunch.
And I think Owen Wilson was also at this brunch.
joe rogan
How did I forget about this?
sal vulcano
Do you recall it now?
joe rogan
I'm kind of recalling hearing about it now.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it was.
joe rogan
You kind of didn't get any love.
sal vulcano
No, but I went and saw it, and it was really fucking cool.
So there's, I mean, there's a lot of different people there.
Liv Tyler, just the guys from Oasis.
There was just a collection of people there.
And I found myself, they had like a little bond, like a escape, not escape room, what do you call it?
Safe room.
And the safe room was just converted.
It had a ping pong table.
And I went downstairs.
I walked into the safe room and Woody Harrelson and I were sort of playing ping pong down there.
And I just, it was them two, a cat and me.
And I just watched them play ping pong.
I don't know them.
But wait, I'm getting to this.
Oh, so anyway, they had Banksy's.
Like they had, they had a, they had a fucking man, you know, I think I need to take a supplement from like, I needed to get some Genko Below in me.
Who's the artist with like a Picasso?
unidentified
They had a Picasso.
sal vulcano
I'm like, who's the guy who puts like an eye over here?
joe rogan
The guy with no ear.
No, that's Van Gogh.
sal vulcano
Yes, they had Banksy's like just in the house, like up like that.
Like, wow, that's probably, I mean, you know, that's...
joe rogan
A million dollars?
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Probably, probably at least.
unidentified
I don't know.
sal vulcano
I don't know how much they are, but I was like, oh, wow, that's like your own personal Banksy.
joe rogan
I went over an agent's house once in Aspen, and this is like a long time ago.
And we were there for, they used to have the Aspen Comedy Festival.
And I was over at his house, and I was like, oh, did his kid make this?
There's like this painting on the wall.
And they're like, no, that's a Chris Bobbage voice.
I go, he paid for that?
It looked like tissue.
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
I'm just saying this to another agent.
So it's me and his other agent shooting the shit over a couple of cocktails.
We're laughing.
But I'm like, for real?
And he goes, yeah, that's worth like $35,000.
Like, there's no way that is a kid did that.
It was like pieces of tissue paper glued with some paint splattered on it.
sal vulcano
It's not.
joe rogan
I was like, what is this?
Do you know the origins of that stuff?
They think it was a CIA psyop.
sal vulcano
For what?
joe rogan
Modern art like that.
sal vulcano
Come on.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
There's some evidence that points to the CIA.
sal vulcano
Like when they just nail a banana to the wall or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little bit of that, but a little bit of like Jackson Pollock.
sal vulcano
So I was going to blatter.
I was going to bring up Pollock because Stern did that.
Do you remember Teen Howard did that?
He was like, I can make a Jackson Pollock and you won't know the difference.
And he did it on a shoe.
He did it, and he put it next to each other, and nobody knew the difference.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what they think is we couldn't compete during the Cold War with the classical artists of Russia.
Like there's some incredible painters in Russia at the time, and I'm sure there are now.
But we didn't have a similar level.
We didn't have a Da Vinci over here.
We didn't have someone who could do what they were doing.
And so the CIA came up with a plot to popularize nonsense art and make it like really huge and make all these investors want to spend money buying like nonsense art.
And apparently there's, I never would have considered that until I paid attention to all the other shit that they've done over the last, you know, X amount of decades.
And I was like, I think that's true.
Because it doesn't make sense to me that that stuff would just emerge and all of a sudden be worth millions of dollars.
And someone wouldn't figure out exactly what Howard Stern figured out.
But I can make this on my own.
And you could just say it's a Pollock.
This is a Jackson Pollock.
And no one would know.
Like, what are we talking about then?
We're talking about something that anybody can do.
If you look at the Mona Lisa, you're like, well, I can't do that.
You know, you look at, you know, there's a million paintings.
You look at it, like, especially today.
There's something about the level that people are at today where they're making like photograph realistic paintings.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Photorealistic paintings.
Like that are above and beyond anything's ever, anyone's ever accomplished in the history of art.
But because it looks so realistic, people don't even seem to care.
Modern art was the CIA weapon.
Spy agency used unwitting artists such as Pollock and De Koenig in a cultural Cold War.
Ain't that wild?
So scroll up to the thing.
This is from The Independent.
Oh, you have to support?
jamie vernon
No, it does there, I guess.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So the connection's a problem.
There's a period in the 1950s and 1960s when the great majority of Americans disliked or even despised modern art.
President Truman summed up the popular view when he said, if that's art, then I'm a hetent.
I don't know what that means.
sal vulcano
Hot and tot.
joe rogan
Hot and tot.
What's a hot and tot?
sal vulcano
I don't know, but I'll tell you right now, I'm starting to use that word.
joe rogan
A hot and tot.
Jamie, Google that word.
What is that word?
sal vulcano
Never heard of it.
joe rogan
That's a hot and tot.
Something like that.
sal vulcano
Sounds like a candy.
joe rogan
Like a mic and a hot and tot.
T-O-T.
What's a hot and tot?
An outdated and offensive term historically used by Europeans to refer to, I don't know how to say that word, K-H-O-E-K-H-O-E, an indigenous group of nomadic pastoralists from South Africa.
Jesus Christ.
The president is using that.
You want to talk about the world being different?
The president was using a slur.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
As for the artists themselves, many were ex-communists and barely acceptable in the America of the McCarthyite era, and certainly not the sort of people normally likely to receive U.S. government backing.
So why the CIA support them?
Because in the propaganda war with Soviet Union, this new artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity, the intellectual freedom, and the cultural power of the U.S.-Russian art, of the U.S., rather.
Russian art strapped into the communist ideological straitjacket could not compete.
Hilarious.
So because their artists were better, we decided to come up with some nonsense art and make people think that was the shit.
And it worked.
It worked.
sal vulcano
But are we saying that they found those artists and propped them up?
joe rogan
No, they were saying that those artists were existed, but the CIA propped them up and pushed them out as being amazing.
And they did it in an effective way.
And look, if they're all these like super duper rich people are involved or closely connected to the CIA, all they would have to do is have art exhibits at their house and tell everybody how amazing this guy is and how mind-blowing this piece is.
And they'll all agree.
sal vulcano
That's how art works in a general sense now, anyway.
It's like there are people at the top that dictate a lot of this stuff.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, for sure, but there's also just talent.
If someone's really good, like all they have to have is an Instagram page if they're really talented.
sal vulcano
Oh, yeah, but I'm saying the art world and like the art as a commodity and that kind of stuff.
Like, you know, like the bottom can fall out at any time of that, just like anything else.
joe rogan
It's like, I guess, but people always want art.
But the thing is, like, what I'm getting at is nobody wanted that art.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden it became worth millions.
And it became worth millions because of the CIA.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's wild.
joe rogan
They mind fucked the American people into believing that terrible art is really good.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
Wild.
Yeah.
No, because I just read an article recently about how art as investment, like there's been like a huge change where a lot of artists that were being pushed and were really hot by galleries and this and that, like just years ago and selling at X amount, like their stuff's not worth anything right now.
unidentified
Wow.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I wonder why.
Well, when the economy starts going, I would imagine that people stop buying art, right?
Like luxury items, shit you don't need, art.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
It wasn't, I forget, but it wasn't, it wasn't economy-based.
It was like, it was like the trend, like the, you know, the trend within that world or whatever.
It's like, it's always weird to me how people put a price tag on that stuff.
joe rogan
I was in, excuse me, I was in Venice recently, and we went to, I guess it's the Guggenheim Gallery, the Guggenheim Family Gallery.
It's a house that's like, it's a gallery that's like on the water.
You pull up in one of those little boats.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You get off and you're in the gallery.
And it's priceless art.
It was one person's collection.
So one super rich lady put together, I think, is it called the Peggy Guggenheim in Venice?
I might be making that up.
But anyway, it's a lady, a very wealthy lady who really loved art.
Is that it?
Oh, what a memory.
And she has this incredible collection where you're like, how much did she spend?
Like, this is like a billion dollars in art.
It's nuts, man.
What is that?
jamie vernon
That's the front page of their website.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the front page.
Oh, that's an exhibit that they have there.
But it's all, there's some modern stuff, but there's a lot of like, like, priceless shit.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just unbelievable collection.
sal vulcano
You collect?
joe rogan
No.
sal vulcano
Nothing.
joe rogan
I collect pool cues.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like pool cues.
sal vulcano
No art at all.
unidentified
Nothing.
joe rogan
I have some art.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I have friends that are artists.
Well, this place is filled with art.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I'm looking around.
joe rogan
But like, I think of my house very differently in this place.
I definitely collect art.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
I love art for here.
But for my house, I don't have anything.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
I don't collect anything.
sal vulcano
I started.
joe rogan
But this is like, I feel like the studio is a totally different thing.
Like this, this is like, it's not my house.
It's like a showcase.
You know, like I like to put cool stuff in here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like I would, if my house is like this, it's too chaotic.
sal vulcano
It's too weird.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's a creative space.
It's cool.
It's cool in here.
joe rogan
I have a few pieces at home from this guy, Greg Overton.
He's a friend of mine, and he does Native American art that is just spectacular.
He does these huge pieces, like this, you know, like six, eight foot by six foot, giant Native American faces that are just, I saw him for the first time.
I was in Park City just going through like the little town and they had a gallery and we were walking around.
We're like, oh, let's go look at the gallery.
And it was just like right away, I was like, whoa.
Shit, pull up one of his photos.
If you could pull up the one that I have, but I stare at that motherfucker every day.
It's totally different.
It's like, I just think what this was like, this is a very accurate representation of a real person that lived here 200 years ago.
And like, what is that dude's life like?
Oh, shit.
That one's on my wall.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How good is this guy?
sal vulcano
Wow.
What is it?
What is that?
unidentified
Oil?
What is it?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, it's oil paint.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Oil or acrylic or, I mean, I don't know what exactly he uses, but it's painting.
sal vulcano
So like realistic.
joe rogan
Oh, well, it's just really good, man.
That's one of the ones that I have, but I have another one.
This dude who has white paint on his face and this crazy scar on his face.
It's like his stuff is, first of all, the dude loves.
That's it.
The one above it with the feathers, the white one.
Yeah, that's it.
Make that a little bigger.
That one I see when I'm walking down the hall every day.
sal vulcano
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
I was like, the first thing I see in the morning is that motherfucker staring at me.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Because I, you know.
sal vulcano
That's kind of powerful, dude.
joe rogan
It's so powerful.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love that painting.
Greg's a friend, too, and he's a cool motherfucker.
But that to me represents there was a real human that looked exactly like that walking around 200 years ago.
Had no idea what was going to happen to this country in just a short amount of time.
And this dude in, you know, 18, 10, is just out here, lived his whole life out here like this.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Living under the stars, following the buffalo around.
It's like, there's something really powerful about knowing that people used to live like that recently.
Recently, so recent.
sal vulcano
And now he hangs right by your powder room.
joe rogan
He's at the end of the hallway right when I get up on purpose.
I want to walk towards that.
sal vulcano
That sounds serious.
The stuff I've collected is a little bit more vibrant and a little bit more like, you know, not so photorealistic and stuff.
Like I was going to tell you someone I thought you'd like is this artist Jordy Kerwick as FMP.
I just, I found him on my own during the pandemic.
I bought a piece of his art and I really loved it.
And then like, what does he do?
What kind of stuff?
I mean, it's kind of like, well, his style has changed.
I bought like a still piece that was like, but now he's moved into this really funky, cool, like lizard.
So what is that?
This is some cool shit, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
He's awesome.
joe rogan
He does sculptures.
sal vulcano
He's too from Australia, I believe.
He lives in France.
He does sculptures.
Yeah, he blew up, too.
And he's like, he's the nicest guy.
So like a couple of years, like a few years after I bought his piece, I saw him like something of mine on Instagram.
And I was like, oh, he, because I zoomed with him before I bought it, I guess, just to talk about it for a minute.
And I thought maybe he just followed me or knew who I was because I bought his art, but he didn't.
He just knew me through comedy.
And so I hit him up and I go, hey, man, I saw you like something of mine.
Like, you know, I bought something from you, right?
And he's like, I have no idea.
No.
And it's like, yeah, we zoomed.
And he's like, no, no, I just, I'm a fan.
I'm like, dude, your stuff is amazing.
And this guy was so nice.
He ended up sending me more artwork.
Like, he shipped me more artwork of his.
And it's like expensive.
And he just, he just was so generous.
He sent me more stuff.
unidentified
That's awesome.
sal vulcano
This guy's dope.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
That looks like where the wild things are.
sal vulcano
How fucking dope is that, right?
joe rogan
Very.
sal vulcano
His style has changed so much, too.
And it's like, I want to get another piece.
I'm like, part of me is like, I don't want to, if I'm going to spend, if I'm going to get it, I want to like, you know, get, try to vary it up.
But I like his stuff so much that I just kind of want to like, he does weird shit too.
That one's creepy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Art is awesome, man.
It's like, it's got so few limitations.
You could do whatever you want.
You paint whatever you want, sculpt whatever you want, you know, and you have that thing in your house and you get to stare at it and it gives you like a whole different sense of life.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like somebody made that.
This popped out of someone's imagination.
My cough button still, is it still broken?
Let's try it.
Seems like it's working now.
jamie vernon
When the whole thing's not out, it acts a little weird.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
sal vulcano
How good are you with a bow and arrow?
joe rogan
Pretty good.
sal vulcano
How good?
joe rogan
I bow hunt.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I practice.
sal vulcano
But I don't really know.
Every day.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, you have to.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
So if I, I mean, I shouldn't say you have to every day, but you have to practice a lot.
You have to be really accurate.
sal vulcano
But like back in the day when they battled with bow and arrow, what skill level were those guys?
joe rogan
Oh, that's a totally different kind of archery.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So that kind of archery is.
sal vulcano
How much of that was like letting it fly and how much of it was like, I'm a sniper.
I'm going to like it.
joe rogan
Oh, no, they were good.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guys are good.
My friend Aaron Schneider, he's such a good bow hunter that he decided he wants to hunt with a recurve, like a regular bow for a while.
sal vulcano
What's the difference?
joe rogan
It's way harder.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
Way harder to be accurate.
unidentified
Like a Robin Hood bow?
joe rogan
Yeah, Robin Hood bow.
Like a regular bow.
Yeah, he killed everything with it.
He killed bears.
He killed deer, elk, everything.
He's like a professional hunter.
He's like a world-class hunter, ex-military guy, got into hunting.
He's a fucking beast.
And when bow hunting, which is one of the hardest things to do, becomes so easy that you want to pick up a regular bow and go shoot that.
That shows you what type of human you're talking about.
But he can group into a softball-sized lump at 45 yards.
He just fires him in with a super accurate with that thing.
I tried once, I was on vacation, and I'm like, I'm good with a bow and arrow.
I know how to shoot a bow and arrow.
I do it all the time.
I was hitting him in the ass, hitting him in the neck.
I was hitting him all over the place.
Not a human, not an animal, rather, a foam target.
We were shooting recurs.
And I was like, I'll be able to do it.
It was like a thing that you do.
You shot ski.
It was at an island resort.
It was pretty fun.
And then you shot skeet, and then you got to shoot these recurves.
And I was like, oh, I got this.
Bro, I was terrible.
I didn't really.
Totally different technique.
Yeah.
Didn't carry sights.
It carried over a little.
I mean, I hit the target, but there's no way I was accurate.
sal vulcano
So if I gave chase, if I ran from you and you had to get, like, if I get, like, could you take me out if I'm like, if I'm running around like a moving target?
joe rogan
Well, it depends on how far away you are.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
You know, because so the arrow's going 279 feet a second.
sal vulcano
A second.
joe rogan
A second.
sal vulcano
So what's that mouse?
joe rogan
I don't know.
But that's what my, when I look at my rangefinder.
sal vulcano
I'm just doing quick math, but I think that's a billion miles an hour.
joe rogan
I have to enter in, my rangefinder, I enter in how fast the arrow is going.
Yeah, I enter in how fast the arrow is going, how much the arrow weighs, and it gives me like a very precise measurement of where my arrow is going to be at the top of its flight.
So when I range something, I use a laser rangefinder.
It's called a full draw.
Loophold makes it.
And when I click on the button, it gives me the distance.
So I'll say like 53 yards, but it also gives me the height of my arrow because I've entered in the speed of my arrow and the weight of my arrow and the feet per second it goes.
sal vulcano
So you're going from home plate to center field in a second and a half.
joe rogan
It's so fast.
It's like you barely keep your eyes on it.
And then mine is not as fast as other guys.
Like I have a friend of mine, my friend Josh Jones.
He just put together a bow that I think goes 340 feet a second.
But he's a big, tall guy.
And when you're a taller person, you have a longer draw length and you'll get more speed out of the bow.
sal vulcano
I can't wrap my head around the speed of a bow.
joe rogan
They're very fast.
sal vulcano
Like I said, if you were at home, the way I'm thinking of it.
jamie vernon
200, 136, 340 is 232.
joe rogan
Wow.
sal vulcano
232 miles an hour?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
That's insane.
joe rogan
It's so fast, dude.
sal vulcano
That's the way I'm thinking of it.
If you're at home plate, I'm at center field and you shoot your arrow at me.
I have a second.
Dude, one second to move out of the way.
joe rogan
This arrow's going 231.82 miles an hour.
That's bananas.
sal vulcano
And there's people that karate chop those.
joe rogan
Not really.
You kind of see a regular, okay, you got a long bow, which is probably the slowest.
And then you have recurves.
Recurves, I don't know if the Mongolians invented them or if the Mongols invented them, but the Mongols had the strongest known bows.
They had bows that take 160 pounds to draw back.
So much so that some of their skeletons were disfigured.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Because they had so much time pulling in one direction that their whole body was contorted in that shape.
sal vulcano
Chiropractor would have cleaned up back then.
joe rogan
But those guys were, I don't think tiropractors were real.
But those guys were super accurate.
But you'd have to do it every day.
If you do it every day, it's like a pitcher, right?
Like if you ask me to throw a strike, who knows what's going to happen?
I might not even go near the plate.
I don't throw a ball very often.
sal vulcano
Not since you started doing martial arts.
joe rogan
But I mean, the point is, even if you did, you'd have to do it over and over and over again to be able to throw a strike in a game against a real good batter, right?
That's what these guys are doing with bows and arrows.
They're getting to that point where it's just like throwing a ball.
They know exactly how far it is, exactly where the arrow is going to go at that distance.
They have a feel because they're doing it every day.
But you have to do that every day.
The kind of archery I do, you don't have to do it as much.
You probably should do it every day.
But mine is like, I'm dialing this sight out to the exact yardage.
I've got like a fiber optic pin that's sitting over the spot.
Like I know exactly where it's going to touch.
It's super high tech.
Yeah.
And then you know exactly where the arrow is going to be at every spot of the way if you shoot it straight.
sal vulcano
How long, because of all that, is it more about understanding it to be accurate?
Or is there also still like you have to be steady and everything?
joe rogan
I mean, I was like, you have to be, you have to just do it so briefly that it becomes a part of you.
It's like, you know, when you were playing basketball, I'm sure there were times when you're fucking around with your friends where you just hit a flow.
You just hit a flow and you start.
unidentified
That was right.
sal vulcano
I'm right around my 13th point.
But you know what I mean?
unidentified
When you're with your friends, your ass ticked by Dominicans.
joe rogan
But when you're just hanging out with your boys, every now and then you'll catch a flow, right?
Where you feel it.
And you just know the ball.
What everything else is, it's like taking that and just doing it all day long until you can do it at any time you want.
You're always in that flow.
sal vulcano
So how long did it take you to feel like, oh, I know what I'm doing or, oh, I have a marked improvement right now?
joe rogan
It just takes, it took years.
unidentified
Years.
joe rogan
Years of practice.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
So years of just like not hitting.
joe rogan
No, you always hit the target, but not consistently.
So, you know, like I'd be in my backyard and I used to have a 45-yard target.
And I was pretty good at 45-yards.
I could get most of them in the spot that I wanted to hit.
But every now and then one would go left, one would go right.
Now they're all going in there.
Now 45 yards from me is like zip, zip, zip, zip.
I'll ruin arrows because I'm stacking them on top of each other.
But if I go out to like 85 yards, then things spread out because then all of your movement is magnified.
So the key is it's like any little variation, a little twitch to the left and to the right, over the course of 85 yards, it's going to vary six inches left or right, maybe.
Whereas at 45 would just be like a little bit.
You know, you'd think you're still dead on.
And it just magnifies all the flaws in your technique.
So it's like you lose yourself in it because when you're at full draw, and I'm not even talking about bow hunting.
I'm just talking about target archery.
When you're at full draw and you're really trying to hit that target, you have no room for anything else.
There's no room in your mind for your bills or an argument you had with a business partner or fucking tickets you haven't paid.
There's no room.
Everything goes away.
It cleans the mind because it requires all of your focus.
Yeah.
That's the best part of it.
That's the best part of it.
Everything after that, it just becomes like everything else.
It becomes like a vehicle for you to express yourself, whether it's learning how to play a guitar, it's shooting a bow, playing pool, playing basketball.
It's like you're just finding a vehicle for you to express your spirit.
sal vulcano
You have to let go of an arrow and like a bird like Randy Jackson.
unidentified
You ever see Randy Jackson?
That was nuts.
joe rogan
Bird explains that.
unidentified
And that guy, fucking, that guy was a house.
joe rogan
That guy threw heat.
sal vulcano
He was like seven foot one.
unidentified
He was so big.
sal vulcano
He was a gangly guy.
joe rogan
Fucking bird exploded.
unidentified
Yeah.
It was perfect.
joe rogan
It was like the universe threw us a bone.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Like the universe was like muzzy something fucked up.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's fine.
joe rogan
Like every now and then the universe does that.
Live TV.
sal vulcano
You just continue.
unidentified
Yeah.
Just feathers on the floor, bro.
Feathers aren't.
sal vulcano
It's like a Looney Tune coming.
joe rogan
This video is nuts.
unidentified
Boom.
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Yo, that video is disintegrated.
That video is nuts.
And he's a lefty too, son.
unidentified
Look at the slow-mo.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
What a mistake that bird made.
sal vulcano
It's just crazy that it didn't just like kill the bird, but knocked every single feather loose.
joe rogan
You can just cook that thing.
unidentified
Every single feather.
joe rogan
Put it right on the fire.
It's like pre-production.
sal vulcano
It's like when you get into like an accident, like your shoes and socks come off.
It's like every feather went.
Oh my God.
joe rogan
There's something about lefties, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think lefties learn things better than righties.
I know a lot of lefties that are like really good at shit.
It seems like the lefties that are like really good, they're like exceptionally good.
Weird, like oddly good.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think seeing everybody do everything opposite and forcing your brain to adapt to this world where you're writing and you're smudging your paper all the time because you're writing the wrong way.
It's all weird, right?
And then you're seeing everybody's doing everything with their right hand and you're doing it with your left and you're supposed to, everything seems wrong to you.
So by doing that, you have to like really think about your movements.
sal vulcano
But the left-handed comes out early, right?
It's like inherent, that movement is inherent.
It's not like they're working on it.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
So it's like, I don't know, do they even, do they have to think about those things?
Or like, is it just like coming up?
joe rogan
Oh, they definitely do.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because everything's reversed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if someone tries to teach you something, they have to teach you the opposite.
sal vulcano
It is a right-handed person's game.
joe rogan
Like, say if you're a boxing coach and you only fight Orthodox, you've only fought Orthodox your whole life.
And then some kid comes in and he says, I'm left-handed.
And you have to decide.
Either you're going to teach this kid fucked up and teach him left-hand first, which some people actually think is actually a benefit.
In fact, some great boxers actually fought, like Oscar De La Hoya fought dominant hand first.
So there's a few guys that have done that where they will, they're right-handed guys, they'll put their right hand in front.
But for the most part, you would want to teach that kid how to fight as a self-paw, which would mean you'd have to reverse everything.
So if you don't know how to do it the right, like if your technique is off and you're showing some how to do something, like you're not really, so the kid's got to like learn things from his stance and watch you and just duplicate it, like mirror it from the other side.
And sometimes that just teaches you more about the movement itself because you think about it.
Because one of the things they say, if you really want to learn something, say if you're like in a martial arts skill, if you're you have a dominant side, like if you're really good at throwing a kick with your right leg, if you throw it and practice it and get it better with your left leg, your right leg will improve as well.
sal vulcano
Oh, that's interesting.
I didn't hear that.
Yeah.
I feel like, yeah.
Because you're kind of, yeah, I could see how that.
joe rogan
It gives you a more comprehensive understanding of what you're doing.
And they say that about pool, too.
Like, I can't really play with my left hand.
I can make like simple shots with my left hand.
But there's guys that can just switch hands.
sal vulcano
The ambidextrous people are like probably aliens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Just equal both on both sides, like equal.
unidentified
They could do it without in professional pool.
joe rogan
There's this kid named John Mora, an elite like top of the food chain pro pool player, hurts his shoulder, can't play right-handed anymore, learns how to play left-handed and becomes world-class left-handed.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Learned as a professional when he hurt his arm that he had to start playing left-handed, started playing left-handed and started winning world-class events as a lefty, beating world-class top of the food chain pool players who've been playing right-handed their whole life.
And he's been playing lefty for like two years.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
sal vulcano
I can't write my name.
unidentified
I broke my arm once and I had to write my name and I write everything with my left hand.
joe rogan
It was fucking terrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
No, it's like there's nothing there.
joe rogan
And I draw, so I was trying to learn how to draw with my left hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think it now in retrospect, it might have helped me draw better with my right hand.
I think if you could learn how to do something, that's why I think lefties are better at stuff.
sal vulcano
What do you draw?
joe rogan
Well, I used to want to be a comic book illustrator when I was a kid.
So I drew a lot of comic book stuff.
sal vulcano
Oh, shit.
You do that still?
joe rogan
No.
No, not anymore.
sal vulcano
You don't miss it?
joe rogan
I mean, I can do it.
I can pick it up, but I would have to get into it really to like achieve the skill that I used to have.
And then I would like, I don't have any time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fun.
I love drawing, but I don't have any time.
Those kids.
sal vulcano
Like school always blew my mind.
They'd just be sitting there drawing like a comic book, like literal, like that good.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
sal vulcano
You self-taught or are you just kind of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Mostly self-taught.
sal vulcano
See, that's also got to be something that's, I mean, if you start from nothing and just like, I don't know, I feel like that's inside you somewhere as well, like to be a naturally gifted, just to know how to.
unidentified
Some people are just better at that than I had a very artistic family.
joe rogan
My uncle Sal and my uncle Vinny were both artists.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
So my mom's brothers, both brothers were artists.
sal vulcano
What kind of artists?
joe rogan
One of them ran a pottery guild and he was an art teacher.
And the other one did a bunch of different types of art photography and did a lot of album covers.
Did album covers for Kiss.
No shit.
Yeah, and he took me to work with him once and I got to meet Ace Freely when he had no makeup on.
Like before anybody knew what they really were.
sal vulcano
He became a clown?
joe rogan
No, no, they had makeup on back then, but no one knew what they looked like in real life.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So he showed up in the office with no makeup on.
I was like, this is crazy.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
joe rogan
And I think I was probably like 10, you know, and I was like, this is nuts.
I was just hanging out with my uncle in the office.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And fucking Ace Freely walked in.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
My third grade teacher, her brother was the drummer in Twisted Sister.
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
Yeah, Tony Pierrow.
unidentified
Where not God?
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
He was the first, like, I mean, like, rock star that cross-dressed.
sal vulcano
Like D. Snyder in them.
joe rogan
Right?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
They were one of the big glam, yeah, like glam rock bands.
joe rogan
But it was almost cross-dressing.
sal vulcano
That's him on the right of D. Right.
joe rogan
Like, you would kind of, you would say.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's.
joe rogan
You would ask his pronouns.
You know what I'm saying?
sal vulcano
That's like poison all those groups back then.
But so, yeah, so she lived.
So we lived in these little garden apartments.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
Bro, they were huge.
sal vulcano
They were huge.
joe rogan
They were fucking huge.
jamie vernon
Or is that natural?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe they added it.
unidentified
I think it's a good thing.
joe rogan
It's like a Marilyn Monroe one.
Remember when the ladies were doing that?
They were adding a fake beauty market?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are you doing, honey?
sal vulcano
So this guy, so my teacher lived upstairs from us in the apartment building.
So he used to go get her house all the time.
So I was in grammar school.
I couldn't have been more than like eight same or something like that.
And my dad was the superintendent of the apartment buildings.
And so he knew everyone.
That was my teacher.
So we met him at a young age and he used to come over to my house all the time.
So I have pictures of me at like my parents in my parents' kitchen, like just sitting down eight years old in my pajamas with him and just eating like a tuna sandwich.
And he's like literally dressed like that.
He's in like, I swear to God, dude.
I have one where he's in full electric blue spandex pants.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
sal vulcano
And like a ripped jean jacket with his hair all up and I'm just me and him sitting at the table.
unidentified
I'm just eating the money.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Oh, dude, that's so ridiculous.
sal vulcano
We used to, I remember back then.
Did you ever have that like, did you, were you into like, you know, the denim jacket?
joe rogan
Oh, I had a denim jacket.
sal vulcano
And then we got like the patches all over it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
sal vulcano
And then when we graduated, like everyone would sign, like take a Sharpie, a black marker, like sign your jacket.
I don't think that exists anymore.
joe rogan
Well, no.
sal vulcano
That kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Denim jackets were a sign you were a rebel.
I have a denim jacket, especially if you have a pack of cigarettes in the denim jacket.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I remember there's this one kid.
You know, sometimes when you're like 14, you see some kid that like you've never seen before.
You're like, wow, that guy's so cool.
There was this dude who had a denim jacket on and a pack of cigarettes in his pocket.
And he just had perfect hair.
And he just looked cool, like this Italian-looking kid.
I'm like, that guy looks so cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I wish I was cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
I could never be that cool.
He was like smoking cigarettes on the fucking breezeway.
joe rogan
I was like, that guy, like, he's in a movie.
That guy's in a movie.
I was a dork.
I was trying to hide from people.
sal vulcano
I was trying to do that.
That influenced me so much that I took my money that I made for confirmation and I bought a Van Halen replica guitar.
Did you learn how to play?
No, not a fucking chord.
It was the red guitar with the white lines on it.
It was like a famous Eddie Van.
So it's a kid's one, though.
And I bought it at this place still there, mode music on bass.
I took all my money.
I bought that.
I bought an amplifier.
I bought a guitar case.
And I spent all my money on it.
And I never used it, never took it out of the.
I like, you know, just never used it.
I have it to this day.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, you could learn as a part of your workout regimen.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a mental concentration workout.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it is kind of, right?
sal vulcano
I used it one time.
It came to, it came full circle on the show.
Do you know the band Imagine Dragons?
unidentified
Yes.
sal vulcano
Okay.
So I met them along the way, friendly with them.
So before they, well, they were big because this was Jones Beach, which is like 15,000 people.
They sold that out.
They were playing Jones Beach.
It was like maybe again, 10 years ago.
And we made me, they threw me out on stage before they came out as one of the opening acts.
And I had to sing and play guitar to almost 15,000 people.
And I don't sing or play guitar, and they didn't tell me what songs.
I had to make it up on the spot.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
sal vulcano
Me and my buddy Joe, who they put him as the drummer, they introduced us as a band called Senor Alonza, which was the name of our high school Spanish teacher.
And so there were three opening acts before us, which is bonkers, right?
And so when they were about to come on, they made it like they were going to come on.
They lowered the lights and all those freaking spotlights started going all over the place.
And the place went nuts.
And then they introduced the fourth opening act.
And us two walked out.
He got behind the drums.
And I used that guitar that I bought in 1989, June 89.
I finally used it in like 2015.
And they just, they're like, all right, go, you're an opening act.
And that's all they said.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
sal vulcano
And I just started like just hitting the guitar and just making up songs and stuff.
And we were getting booed.
unidentified
People were throwing things at us.
joe rogan
Can we hear it?
sal vulcano
It's probably.
joe rogan
Was it like copyrighted?
sal vulcano
No, no, I made it up.
Oh, you mean because of the show?
I doubt that.
joe rogan
Let's play some of it.
Can I see it, Jay?
I put in your pants pocket a dedication for this set.
Open it up and read it.
Oh, you had to dedicate the set.
unidentified
Pay a few songs to Raw.
Yeah, the dedication was terrible because I. We're going to play Look, Mommy.
sal vulcano
I'm a rock star.
Oh, boy.
unidentified
All right.
sal vulcano
This is one of our favorites.
He doesn't know how to play.
Oh my God.
unidentified
When I was a boy.
I watched me.
sal vulcano
I said, learn of a gun.
I said, look, my man.
unidentified
You're a rock star.
I'm starving.
Mommy, I'm a rock star.
Oh, here's his other.
How badly does he suck out?
It's probably worse than I imagined.
joe rogan
He was a hard worst of my imagination dragon.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Said, look, mommy.
They made me sing five songs.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
sal vulcano
Shut your face, Grandma.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
So they also made me call them the Imagination Dragons right in the beginning.
And I dedicated, I said, everyone, just calm down.
The Imagination Dragons will be out in a little while.
And then the dedication was like, this, it was in Long Island.
I was like, it was like, this set is dedicated to the people of Pittsburgh because I could already tell that you guys are not going to be half as good an audience as them.
And then I started playing.
They were booing us and everything.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
sal vulcano
And then at one point, a guy came to, like a guy came on stage and he tried to grab my guitar from me.
And I just, I didn't know what was going on.
I mean, I was like a deer in the headlights out there.
It was like 14.
And I just pushed him away and he's like trying to grab my guitar and I'm pushing him away and I'm singing through it, right?
I'm cursing also because I'm just like free for freewheeling it up there.
And I didn't know they're like, they're Mormons.
They don't really curse.
And so like they were like, I didn't get the memo.
I wasn't supposed to curse.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
sal vulcano
And so I'm dropping F-bombs.
I sang a song called Fuck the Imagination Dragons.
I'm better than them.
joe rogan
How long did you sing for?
sal vulcano
I would say, I would say probably somewhere like eight, seven, eight minutes.
unidentified
And then I'm getting hit with ice.
joe rogan
So long.
sal vulcano
And then this guy, he keeps trying to get the guitar for me.
I'm ripping it from him.
And I'm like, fuck the magic.
And he's trying to, and I wouldn't let him have it.
And I didn't realize that was the official union stage manager trying to get me off the stage because there's a curfew that they have to hit and they have to do their full show and they have to do their finale.
And as soon as they go, you know, this past curfew on a union stage, the entire thing is like double time for every single worker there.
And then there's penalties.
It's hundreds.
It could be like $100,000 a piece.
Plus, yes.
And so no one tells me who this guy is.
So I'm shoving the real union stage manager off of me because I thought he was trying to just sabotage me.
And I thought I had to stay out there.
So I push him away.
unidentified
I push him away.
sal vulcano
The guy's like, give me the goddamn guitar.
I'm like, I'm not taking, you know.
And I found out afterwards that that was like official and I was supposed to get off and I didn't.
I caused them later because they could not do their encore.
Their encore went into overtime.
And the encore, that dude, he gets hooked up to his cables.
They lift him into the air and they spin him in circles while he plays drums.
It's wild.
And they said they went into the bonus and they had to pay all these fees because of me.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Did you guys reimburse them?
sal vulcano
No, I don't have money to reimburse them.
Like, I just, I know.
They're still our friends.
But, like, and at the end, they're like stage dive off.
And I'm looking in the crowd and I'm like, I'm going to, I'm going to kill myself.
These people are going to catch me.
unidentified
Like, they hate me.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
And they stage dive, stage dive.
So I just ran and I jumped off, but I kind of just like landed on the floor and rolled.
Like, no one caught me.
It was rough.
unidentified
It was rough.
sal vulcano
But that's the guitar.
That's how cool I thought that he was in Twisted Sister.
Like, that's how cool I was like, look at this guy.
joe rogan
Which one of your friends told you to stage dive?
Fuck him.
sal vulcano
Whoever was, I don't know.
joe rogan
That is so irresponsible.
sal vulcano
I know.
Well, they weren't.
They were never going to catch me.
And I just, they saw me and I just, I kind of jumped off.
I think as I, as I'm in the air jumping off, I got hit with a soda.
unidentified
It was bad.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's so ridiculous.
sal vulcano
I know.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
sal vulcano
Yeah, this show has given me like a lot of opportunities to do stuff like that.
I would never have done like that.
joe rogan
Well, who the fuck ever gets to do something like that?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
The balls to stand up there while those people hate you and go through with whatever they're telling you to say.
sal vulcano
I had a ping of anxiety.
joe rogan
Did anybody let them know afterwards that it was for him?
sal vulcano
I don't recall.
I don't recall.
I would imagine maybe they came out and said something, but I don't remember.
It was like 10 years ago.
unidentified
That's funny.
sal vulcano
There was another time they put us in the devils during in-between periods.
They threw me as a goalie in the net of the New Jersey Devils.
unidentified
And all the devils came out and took slapshots on me.
sal vulcano
Me and my buddy Q. It was two of us in net.
And it was scarier than that.
Like they were taking blistering slapshots at us.
I was in full devil's gear as a goalie.
And I remember there was someone from like Sports Illustrated or something was there.
And I have this, I saved it, like a chain of his tweets that he was tweeting.
And he's like, I don't know what's going on here, but the devils are apparently taking slapshots at a civilian.
He's down on the ground.
He's very hurt.
This is not a good promotion.
He's like, I don't think that the devil should be doing this type of promotion with fans.
He didn't know it was our show.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
And he's like, did you get hurt?
sal vulcano
No, not like hurt, hurt.
It hurt, but I didn't get hurt.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
So when you were down, he didn't need to be concerned.
sal vulcano
I got back up, but it was like, it still was hitting me like in the neck.
Yeah, like you had the guard on and stuff.
joe rogan
Does the guard protect your neck?
sal vulcano
It hurt bad.
You know, it hurt.
joe rogan
Where is it cover?
Does it cover your neck?
sal vulcano
Yeah, everything was covered, but it's still like still taking a puck like 90 miles an hour to the chest.
joe rogan
Pucks are so hard, too.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and I played hockey in like late grim school and high school.
I played hockey.
And I, and I started as a goal, roller hockey goalie, but it doesn't, you can't compare the two things.
joe rogan
Bro, you ever see some photos of the old school goalies with the scars all over their face?
sal vulcano
No, they didn't even wear fucking helmets back then.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
It's crazy.
They just played without helmets.
unidentified
A puck hits you in the mug on Tuesday.
sal vulcano
You're done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you got to play again next week.
sal vulcano
My first ever tryout for ice hockey in high school was it was hard to play hockey back then.
Like there wasn't a lot of like, it was expensive and there wasn't a lot of rinks.
We drove like two hours up to like Bear Mountain or some crap, like three hours with my family, my dad, my stepmom, and they had to wait in the stands because they can't drop you off and go home because you just drove three hours.
So they're watching these tryouts.
And my first time I ever put ice skates on in my life.
I had played roller hockey already, but I never put on ice skates in my life.
So it's kind of like you were saying, like, just trying to play like left-handed or whatever.
I was like, oh, maybe it'll transfer, you know?
And I put on these ice skates and it didn't.
I was really bad.
But someone took a slapshot and it got deflected onto the stands.
So whatever.
I didn't think anything of that.
At the end of the tryouts, I went back, got my cloth, got my bag, walked back out, and my stepmom was out there.
Her eye was this big.
The ambulance was there.
She bleeding black and blue, stitches, everything.
The puck hit her right in the face during my tryouts.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, dude.
sal vulcano
Right in the face.
I was like, oh, my God.
Like, it was her face was this big.
Blood everywhere.
She was already black and blue.
A gash right here.
joe rogan
Does that happen all the time?
sal vulcano
To her?
joe rogan
To people in the crowd.
Do people in the crowd get hit?
sal vulcano
I got that.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they had to put up nets because a couple people died.
sal vulcano
Jesus.
Yeah.
And this is a high school kid.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
sal vulcano
That was a high school deflection.
Like, imagine the devils taking slapshots at you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those guys taking slapshots at you.
Could you even react to it?
Like, did you see it coming?
Like, could you see the puck?
sal vulcano
It was like a split-second battle between whether I would try to actually block it or just wince and take it.
Because it was like, it was faster than I was prepared for, obviously.
joe rogan
Can you skate?
sal vulcano
Not these days.
unidentified
There's that.
jamie vernon
Something interesting.
That picture that we've always seen.
unidentified
Let me find it like this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's not real.
joe rogan
Right.
It's a recreation of all the times he's had stitches in his life.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
This says it's what.
joe rogan
But the scars in his face are real.
jamie vernon
What it would look like if you're about 16 years of professional hockey.
joe rogan
The problem is like the one on the left, you can't really see very good.
He's very shadowy, but you could tell he's got scars everywhere.
You know, those guys just took it in the face all the time.
jamie vernon
This says that the first guy wore a mask in 1929.
unidentified
This guy.
joe rogan
When did they figure it out?
Yeah, look at him.
His nose is already busted.
He's like, all right, I'm putting a fucking mask on.
That guy's probably a genius.
sal vulcano
He had the mask.
And before he got his nose busted, like, really?
Well, like, he got his nose is actively busted, right?
joe rogan
Maybe he didn't have the mask on after he was.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
sal vulcano
He's like, let me put this thing on.
joe rogan
Or maybe he broke his nose with the mask on.
I mean, if you take a full one to the nose, it's not like a smash against your nose.
It's going to smash.
jamie vernon
One of them had the blood going through there right there.
The blood was going through the nose.
Oh, God.
I guess it's just a hole.
joe rogan
Yeah, but dude.
Yeah, it's a hard sport.
sal vulcano
Built different.
joe rogan
That is a hard man sport.
And it's the only sport where you're allowed to fight.
sal vulcano
To this day.
joe rogan
Crazy.
sal vulcano
Just let them have it.
joe rogan
It's the weirdest thing.
Just grandfathered in.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
And all the extra precautions now and the CTE stuff and all that stuff.
And they just hasn't even permeated.
Like they haven't had a meeting, not a vote.
They're just like, no, the guys need to fight.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's part of the sport.
sal vulcano
Do you feel like it's less fighting now or no?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't watch hockey.
sal vulcano
I haven't watched it in a minute.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, I grew up in Boston.
If you said, you had to be like, say it in whispered tones, I don't watch hockey because people would get mad at you.
There's a big Bruins town.
Everybody loved hockey.
But for me, I was like, I don't like being cold.
So I don't like skating.
I don't have time for this.
sal vulcano
It's a lot.
It's involved.
But it's a fun sport to watch.
joe rogan
It's a really fun sport to watch.
It's fast as fuck.
You got to be in really good shape to play hockey because those guys are just moving, moving, moving, moving, moving, moving.
And it's like this delicate balancing act you're doing on metal skin.
sal vulcano
It's graceful, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
As much as it's just, you know, brute brute.
joe rogan
Sure.
Like when you watch a guy like Bobby Orr in his prime, the way he was able to maneuver through people, the movement, it's crazy.
sal vulcano
It's beautiful swans.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a dance.
It's a dance and a sport at the same time.
Really amazing sport when you think about it that way.
And then the speed of it, too.
It's a fast fucking sport, man.
Like, you cannot be out of shape and play that sport.
sal vulcano
That was the only time I was in shape in my life, probably.
joe rogan
It's fitness, man.
You're constantly kind of sprinting with skates, you know?
unidentified
You move so much core movement.
sal vulcano
And when I did that, I skated everywhere.
Like, I was roller.
I played roller hockeyverse, but when I was like in my four or five years that I was like obsessed with it, I played every day.
I roller skated everywhere.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So you were with that guy out there roller skating on the streets.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, wow, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's smart.
That's a great way to keep up those skills.
Like, you're going to have to walk anyway.
You already know how well you can skate.
Why not just skate there?
sal vulcano
Yeah, it was kind of like skateboarding.
Like, why wouldn't I get there like five times faster or whatever?
joe rogan
Do dudes try to knock you over ever?
sal vulcano
When I played hockey?
joe rogan
No, when you're skating by them.
You know, you see like a random with roller skates on.
unidentified
You're kind of tempted to go fuck this guy.
sal vulcano
I mean, it wasn't like roller skating like on Venice Beach with like my headphones and like, you know, I didn't look like, you know, a cornball.
joe rogan
I just, you know, some people, they don't like people in roller skates.
Like some, when I lived in California, motorcycles were allowed to split the lanes, you know.
sal vulcano
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, which is crazy.
It's really dangerous.
But if you have a motorcycle, you can get by in traffic when everybody else is fucked.
You're zipping right through.
And I remember one time I watched this guy see this dude coming up beside us and I moved to the left to give this guy a little room so he could pass and the dude in front of me moved into the lane on purpose to stop this guy from passing him for no reason at all.
And that's going to happen with that too.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah.
No, I don't recall really.
It was good for my curfew because I used to go to my girlfriend's house.
My dad was like, you have to be home by like 11.
And it was like probably like a couple of miles.
And so like.
joe rogan
That's a long time to be not running into any bullies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's not fair.
There's a few guys out there that would just make that decision.
You know, fuck him, fucking knock him off.
sal vulcano
I just used to lace him up.
And there was actually a huge hill like halfway there.
Like I got up to town.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I mean, flying.
So I just stand.
And I'd be going like, I'd probably be going like 30, 30 30 miles an hour.
If I wiped out, it would have been bad.
joe rogan
And if someone pulled out, right?
Was there any cars that could have possibly been a huge shot?
sal vulcano
No, it was a service road of a highway and it was late at night.
So I wouldn't do it if there was cars.
joe rogan
You're doing it late at night on a service road of the highway.
You know how crazy that sounds.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
But it wasn't that crazy.
It wasn't that crazy.
But I would get home in five minutes, whereas normally it would have taken me like 15 minutes.
joe rogan
You get a nice little workout.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I gave all that up.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I remember when I got out like into the workforce, I was out of college.
One of my buddies was like, you want to go shoot the puck around today?
I'm like, I haven't done it in like five or six years.
He's like, let's go.
And we went and we went to like a little roller rink, like a hockey rink there.
We skated around for about, must have been 20 minutes.
You know that burn that you get in your throat, like the tricky ass off is when you haven't like, maybe you don't because you haven't like you're consistently working out, but like when you're not in shape and then you try to play a sport or something and it just feels like your insides are on fire.
Have you felt that?
joe rogan
Not like that.
I know what you're saying, though.
sal vulcano
Like almost start to like almost like cough up like phlegm and stuff.
joe rogan
So this is like you know cardio at all, no nothing.
Oh man, I felt like you're doing that.
sal vulcano
Out of like after just like maybe like five years removed.
joe rogan
Wow.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, just five years of not working out at all and then you try to skate.
I would imagine.
Yeah.
Your body, unfortunately, your body will just fall into a state of disrepair.
Leave it alone.
It's like if you have a house, if you own a home, one of the things you find out as soon as you get your first home is shit breaks all the time.
There was always some fucking pipe that breaks.
There's this that goes out.
There's that that fucks up.
The AC's broken.
There's always something.
You're always, that's the same shit with your body.
It's the same shit.
And if you put it into a state of disrepair and you don't fix the AC, you don't fuck it.
sal vulcano
My pipes are bad.
joe rogan
The pipes are bad.
You don't deal with it.
You just let your house flood.
Like, that's the problem.
The problem is most of us, you know, are like bad landlords.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
That's me, man.
joe rogan
We're slum lords for our body.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I'm trying to change it.
joe rogan
No, you are changing it.
Don't say trying.
Trying makes it seem like you might quit.
You're not going to quit.
sal vulcano
That's right.
joe rogan
There you go.
sal vulcano
He told me when I, because I'm going to be here and I'm away from home the next week.
He's like, you got to go at least three times and send me pictures of yourself.
joe rogan
We could work out here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got a gym right here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We can wear it after the show.
sal vulcano
I wouldn't want to bring you down, bro.
joe rogan
No, we just have a little workout.
Just a little something.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to keep doing it.
Yeah.
If you want to keep it up while you're here.
The main thing about working out is momentum.
It's number one.
More than anything else is momentum.
And if you lose your momentum, then it's hard.
Hard to get going.
But once you get going, you get a couple of workouts in a row.
You're like, ooh, this is it.
I do it.
This is what I do.
Fuck yeah.
We're doing it again.
Just don't kill yourself.
Don't get yourself to, when you wake up, you're like, oh, fuck.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Ooh, and you're so sore.
And you're going to go to the gym right now.
That's kind of stupid.
You really shouldn't.
You should never, don't, you're not a pro athlete.
Don't get yourself to that spot.
But as long as you just keep doing it, that's the key.
It's just, I think that's with almost everything in life.
That's what alcoholics say.
It's, you know, one day at a time.
They just next day, next day, get some momentum.
Now I'm not drinking for two years.
Now I'm not drinking for five years.
I got all these coins and shit.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
It's just like we have to just make healthy patterns.
And you can do it.
You're doing it right now.
sal vulcano
The next time I come back, I'll be like.
joe rogan
It's going to be Jackson.
sal vulcano
I'm a pose off next time.
I'm just looking to live longer.
joe rogan
You know, it looks good, Shane.
See how big he got?
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
Shane's been working out here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shane has been working out like super regular.
He got really into working out.
We started doing these comedians' workouts here.
And then the park thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shane got my friend Sean to start training them.
And Sean Court.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
No, I haven't.
I talked to Shane yesterday, but I haven't seen him.
Actually, you know what's so funny?
The last picture I saw of him, like, or not the last picture I saw, but recently I saw he was filming this John Madden movie.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
sal vulcano
And that paparazzi took that photo of him in character with the mustache coming out of his chest.
joe rogan
I haven't seen that.
sal vulcano
He was an unflattering shot.
Like, he's talked about it.
And that's, so that's the last thing I like really saw.
And you could probably pull that.
You could probably pull it.
It's pretty freaking funny.
You could see he locks eyes with the photographer just as he's coming out.
And it's like, he's already meant to look, I think, frumpy from the character.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's hilarious.
That's awesome.
He's going to be John Madden.
He'd be perfect.
Well, he first.
unidentified
I don't think he's.
sal vulcano
Is he Madden?
No, I don't think he's Madden.
joe rogan
Who is he supposed to be?
sal vulcano
He's just someone in the Madden universe.
joe rogan
Oh.
Oh, Nick Cage is John Madden.
Whoa.
sal vulcano
Which I can't see at all.
jamie vernon
He's still in the movie as Al Davis.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
Is there a photo of Nicholas Cage as John Madden?
I want to see that.
Oh, that's young John Madden.
Well, that's Nicholas Cage.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's.
joe rogan
Well, the hair does look like Madden's hair.
unidentified
Oh, they did something to his face.
They just did his cage, though.
joe rogan
No, they did a little something to his face.
They did a little something to his face.
unidentified
Didn't they?
How funny is it?
He looked at Shane and said that he was John Madden.
joe rogan
I thought he was Jane.
unidentified
I thought he was John Madden.
sal vulcano
He could pass it.
When I first clicked on it, I was like, Shane's John.
I said this.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Oh, there it is.
Oh, yeah, they definitely did some stuff to him.
They did some stuff to him.
Yeah, he's got like a face thing on.
Wow, that's crazy.
He looks like him, man.
Like, even the body, they got the body right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
Christian Bell.
sal vulcano
Whoa.
Is that Christian Bale?
joe rogan
That's Christian Bale?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
That guy's a fucking chameleon.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, that'll be sick.
unidentified
Wow.
sal vulcano
Biopics, man.
joe rogan
Those two guys.
Oh, wow.
That's cool.
What were we just talking about?
We're talking about guys getting...
Oh, the chain got big.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
He got plugged in...
joe rogan
Got stout.
sal vulcano
He must be putting in work then because I'm also like only doing it three days a week because I just started and I don't want to like, you know.
joe rogan
I don't know if he's been on it recently because he just did, he's about to do tires again.
He's like, you know, the boy's busy.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Fellow's busy.
sal vulcano
I know.
Every time I go.
joe rogan
He's out there killing it.
unidentified
I know.
sal vulcano
I love it.
Love to see it.
joe rogan
He's the man.
sal vulcano
You know what I got shit for after the last time I was on?
unidentified
What?
sal vulcano
So many people came up to me after the last time.
I was like, dude, I saw the Rogan episode and you didn't finish a story.
And the amount of people that said this to me, I must have been like, yeah.
I started to tell you a story about an experience I had, I think, with a ghost because I didn't believe in ghosts.
And I guess I started to tell it and didn't finish it.
Can I tell you the amount of people that came out?
It's like, what the fuck, man?
You can't start.
joe rogan
You can't just start it from the end, though.
sal vulcano
I know.
joe rogan
You're going to have to start.
Anyway, so that's how the beginning of the story.
unidentified
It's just on the very end.
joe rogan
Retell the beginning of the story because otherwise people are going to go, what the fuck is he talking about?
Then they'll have to go back and listen to the whole podcast.
sal vulcano
There's so many people, though, that finally I was like, I swear to God, if I go back on, I will bring it up and I'll try to retell it again.
joe rogan
Let's retell the story.
sal vulcano
I just, I'm doing this for them.
I just, I don't know if this is how great the story is.
So we were talking, I was saying how I just, I don't believe in them, but I had this experience.
I don't know what to make of it.
Okay.
Okay.
So I lived alone at the time.
And when I go to sleep at night, I lock my, I lock my bedroom door.
unidentified
This is something I do.
sal vulcano
So I locked my door and I was laying in bed and I had the television on.
And a lot of times I'll put the TV on mute, but keep the TV on when I fall asleep.
Something I do.
So I was telling you how, because I sleep with a CPAP machine, how I would wrap myself up in a cocoon because I had an air source.
So I like, it's like a sarcophagus.
I like put everything over my head and I tuck in my feet, and I put my, I swear you just see a tube coming out.
It's amazing.
It's like the sensory deprivation things, right?
unidentified
Right.
Okay.
sal vulcano
That's what it's like.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
So I got used to that.
So anyway, I had just, I was wide awake.
I just muted my television and I wrapped myself up like a fucking burrito and I had the CPAP and I'm laying there and I always stick like one foot or one hand out.
It's just a nice cool breeze.
It's like a fun little thing to do when you're wrapped up like that.
And I had my hand out.
So this was out.
And I'm just laying there and I thought I heard something or somebody.
I don't know if it was talking or I heard what I thought was like the door open, I suppose.
Like again, wasn't asleep.
I wasn't asleep.
I was just, I was.
joe rogan
Just about to fall asleep.
sal vulcano
I wouldn't even like I just laying sure, sure, yeah, yeah.
I didn't sleep and wake up or nothing like that.
And I wasn't, it wasn't, I wasn't laying there 20 minutes.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
It wasn't like that.
And I, I'm laying there and I heard walking or the door or something.
And so I listened more intently and I didn't hear anything again.
And then all of a sudden I felt, I don't know if it's a hand, whatever you want to call it, pressure squeeze, oh, right here on my hand.
All right.
I just felt my hand get squeezed.
And I, what's going on in my mind is I thought there was an intruder in the house initially, right?
So like an intruder came in the house and I know I'm feeling this.
I'm like, this all happened in seconds, but I'm thinking, okay, I heard something.
Now this pressure on my hand and it went tighter and tighter.
And I'm like, someone is squeezing my hand right now.
I have to act like I'm not feeling this because I don't know what's about to happen.
But then I started in the same vein.
I'm like, if this was a home intruder, why would they do this?
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Like, so aren't they going to wake me up?
Like, wouldn't they try to get in and out?
I'm thinking of this in a split second.
And the pressure is such that it actually begins to hurt.
Not hurt like, ow, get off, but like, like, oh, that's squeezing.
You know what I mean?
And I'm like, all right, I am going to have to jump up and fight right now or something.
Something's happening here.
And I said, are you awake?
Are you awake?
And I'm like, I'm literally, I'm awake.
I'm awake right now.
I'm laying here.
I'm looking.
I'm feeling my hand.
I am fully awake.
And I was like, I feel like I either have to count to three, jump up and get ready to fight, or I'm vulnerable and I don't know what's going to happen to me.
I might just take charge of the situation, whatever I can.
And I just took a breath and I was like, all right, here I go.
And I, and I, uh, did they let go?
They let go.
I felt the pressure release off my hand.
And so that's when I was like laying there with it limp.
And I was like, I'm going to jump up right now.
And I was, whatever happens happens.
And it was like nerve-wracking.
And I just jumped up in my bed up.
So I was standing on the bed.
I like threw the things off and I just like was ready to and there was nothing there on my door.
joe rogan
How long was something squeezing your hand for?
sal vulcano
I'll say less than 10 seconds.
joe rogan
That's a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Maybe, yeah, maybe like 10 seconds.
Because it was first it was on me and then it was more pressure and then more pressure and then let go.
And then when I jumped up, no one in my room, door locked.
And so, and I was like, I'm up.
I was up.
I was just up.
I'm not like sleeping.
And it freaked me out.
I turned every light on, opened my door, walked around the house.
I almost like, I was like, do I leave?
joe rogan
Maybe the aliens thought you were trying to kill yourself.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Maybe the aliens.
Who had it?
Maybe that's what it was.
Maybe it was an alien came down like, hey, buddy, you wouldn't have to be.
sal vulcano
Because I was wrapped up.
Because I was wrapped up.
joe rogan
You're wrapped up with a tube coming out.
I was like, this guy might be offing himself.
We've never seen this before.
sal vulcano
I want an explanation.
joe rogan
They're like, when the people sleep, they never sleep with their head covered.
We need to get in.
And they just went in and just grab his hand.
We need Sal to stay alive.
sal vulcano
It definitely looks weird from the outside when I sleep.
Like if you saw a picture of it, it looks like, what the fuck's going on?
joe rogan
Shane was telling us a story the other night about how he had like, you know, they talk about like sleep paralysis demons.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
He had an experience.
sal vulcano
Sleep paralysis.
joe rogan
He had an experience of like a thing standing over his bed with like a white face.
Like and he couldn't move.
sal vulcano
Does it happen to Shane?
joe rogan
Yes.
And I go, dude.
sal vulcano
How many people are you?
joe rogan
How many kids buy in Buddy Lion?
No, he said he was sober.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He was younger.
Yeah, he was like, I think he said he was 23 or 24 when it happened.
sal vulcano
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
I go, dude, you got abducted.
I think the aliens came.
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
I think that's what he was seeing.
I think he was waking up from it, and there was one right there.
And they had him paralyzed.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I don't know why an alien would be in my bedroom.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's aliens that monitor a lot of people if they're real.
sal vulcano
And there's a lot of stories.
How did they get in, though?
Because that little thing.
joe rogan
They can just close.
They can just appear.
They go through right through walls, apparently.
sal vulcano
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
I think if they've reached a level of technological superiority where they could travel instantaneously through vast distances in space, which is what they think they're able to do, like able to bend gravity and just like reappear on the other side, they just go right through your wall, bro.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
Why are they playing with my fingers?
joe rogan
Because they like you.
sal vulcano
They're bending time and space.
They're traveling and they get to my little one-bedroom apartment and they stand in there and watch me with my C-PAP and then squeeze my three fingers.
joe rogan
Maybe they like your sense of humor and they would like you to stay around and they think you're a positive contribution to the culture.
And they don't want to mess up the delicate balance of the human race.
They need more funny people.
Maybe that's it.
sal vulcano
It makes no sense, though, right?
joe rogan
Of course it doesn't make sense.
UFOs don't make sense.
Aliens don't make sense.
sal vulcano
I don't mean ghosts.
joe rogan
Ghosts don't make sense either.
sal vulcano
I don't mean so.
joe rogan
Grabbing your hand doesn't make sense.
No, it doesn't make sense.
sal vulcano
But it just, it sucks that I'll never have an answer.
joe rogan
Well, it could have been just a spasm.
And one thing that could happen is your hand could have locked up for whatever weird reason because it happens all the time.
It could happen with your foot.
It could happen with a leg.
sal vulcano
What it feels like to be locked up.
This felt as pure as can be, like this doing this.
joe rogan
You ever be watching TV with your wife and you start snoring and she goes, Are you asleep?
And you're like, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you really were?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think maybe you thought you were awake, but you were like right there?
I mean, you're in.
sal vulcano
That's the only explanation I got.
joe rogan
You got a tube in your mouth.
You get the CPAP.
You're wrapped up like a mummy.
And then something's grabbing your hand.
Maybe you're dreaming.
sal vulcano
That thing would have been probably scared when I jumped out with the mask on.
No, but we were aliens.
But here's the thing.
I really took inventory before I jumped up to fight.
Like, I was like, I am awake.
I am feeling this.
I am not sleeping.
I know I am.
joe rogan
While you were feeling the pressure on your hands.
unidentified
Yes.
sal vulcano
Like, I was saying to myself, I'm 100%.
You are 100% awake.
Like, this is happening to you right now.
joe rogan
Okay, aliens.
sal vulcano
Yeah, fucking what?
joe rogan
Aliens or ghosts?
unidentified
Ghosts is what I thought, but what's the point?
joe rogan
Well, ghosts seem to be in places where people die violently.
Like the comedy store is a good example of that.
The comedy store used to be Cyro's nightclub.
So it was owned by Bugsy Siegel.
So for sure, somebody got whacked.
Somebody got whacked.
And, you know, there's also talk that they use the basement to do illegal abortions.
It's like there's a lot of folklore around that place because it was a mob-run nightclub.
sal vulcano
I think I have to start doing that again soon.
joe rogan
But so many people that worked there over the years that I was there, so many people that like people that were like late-night bartenders or yeah, they all had weird a few comics, a few comics that were like reliable, reasonable people had bizarre experiences.
Carl LeBow was asleep on stage and he said he got kicked out of his house.
Him and his wife got in a fight.
Let fuck you.
I'm going to make it.
His girlfriend at the time, I think.
I don't even think it was the same person.
But anyway, he's at the comedy store sleeping on the stage.
And he hears the seats clink around in the dark, like something's moving the seats.
And he goes, hey, it's me, Carl.
I got kicked out of my house.
I'm just sleeping on the stage.
He doesn't hear anything.
And all of a sudden, something grabs his ankle and drags him off the stage onto the floor and starts pulling him through the crowd and then just lets go.
And then he hears a door slam and then another door slam on the outside.
And he's laying in the middle of the comedy store main room.
There's no people there.
He has no idea what the fuck happened.
He didn't see anything.
He just felt something grab him and drag him off the stage and into the crowd.
And he never, he wasn't like a guy who'd made things up.
He didn't have any other stories.
sal vulcano
But it's not like one of the workers or another comic fucking with him?
joe rogan
No.
I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
They would have definitely told him after a while.
And also, I don't think so because he didn't see them.
Like, he was like, I didn't see anyone grab me.
He's like, it's dark in there, but it's not perfect darkness.
He's like, I didn't see whatever grabbed me and pulled me off the stage.
It's like, maybe they didn't like someone staying the night there.
Maybe that's their time.
Like, you want to do all your bullshit during the day with your bookkeeping and then at nighttime with your stupid jokes.
But once you guys leave.
sal vulcano
It becomes the ocean.
joe rogan
It's mine.
Yeah, it becomes the ocean.
It gets dark.
You just get to see a place where a bunch of people died.
sal vulcano
Damn.
Yeah.
There's a lot of suicide there, right?
joe rogan
At the store?
No, there was just one store at the hotel next time.
The guy jumped off the roof.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that was during the days where the comics weren't making any money.
So what is this?
Comedy store popular nightclub.
So what does it say?
One of the snazziest, snazziest nightclubs during the 40s and the 50s.
Built by nightclub Impresario William Wilkerson in the late 1930s, Ciro's offered top entertainment, a swanky hangout for Hollywood stars and other high-profile people, including gangster Mickey Cohen, who used the club as his base of operations and had peepholes drills into walls so he could see who was coming and going.
While dancing, drinking, and dining went up on upstairs, Ciro's basement with the site of darker doings.
Mob henchmen beat, tortured, and killed those who did not repay debts, owned competing clubs, betrayed trust, or crossed the mob in some way.
Pregnant showgirls and mob girlfriends received illegal abortions with at least one woman dying from her abortion.
Wait staff, security guards, and office workers have reported seeing a frightened man in a World War II bomber jacket who fades upon sighting.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
A huge black phantom in the basement and a man in his 1940s garb walking around the premises and through walls.
They have heard a woman wailing in the basement when no one was there and have experienced strange pranks such as chairs stacking themselves in the middle of the stage and perfectly set tables becoming unset.
Yeah, everybody that I knew that worked there for a long period of time had something weird happen.
But a few guys saw things.
Like one of the guys, I forget his name, man.
It was like an old school comic that was hanging around there, said that one night when he was a doorman, he was going into the back bar area and some guy, he saw some guy walk through the swinging doors.
You know, because there's like two sets of swinging doors.
So he walks in and as he's walking in, he sees this guy go through the other set.
He's like, hey, we're closed.
And he goes out into the hallway, dead empty.
I mean, instantaneously goes from seeing the guy walk through to, hey, man, we're closed.
There's a long hallway and there's no one.
No one ran.
No one nothing.
He's like, dude, I saw a guy.
He pushed open the fucking saloon doors.
And it's not just him.
Multiple people have had weird stories like that.
And I always wonder, like, if someone dies in some horrific way like that, that's, like, very violent, maybe it leaves, like, a memory.
Maybe it leaves, like, a stain of what, you know, like, the universe force, the peace-love force of the universe is so disrupted by this vile act that it leaves this, like— It stamps out like a— Yeah, this haunted memory that exists in the space.
Because like they have to tell you if someone was murdered in a house.
unidentified
They do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I think there's a timeline.
You know, like you can't say.
The 1920s, someone was murdered.
Because someone was murdered at our club.
Someone was murdered in our club in the 70s.
sal vulcano
No shit.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, I forget the story.
But the point is, like, if you buy a house, like, they have to tell you.
sal vulcano
They have to disclose it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Not every state.
joe rogan
Not every state?
jamie vernon
Some states, California does, but Texas, it says, does not.
joe rogan
We don't believe in that down here.
We just bring in Jesus.
sal vulcano
I'm doing this bit because of my...
joe rogan
Many states, there's no duty to disclose a death.
Oh, so it's only California and Alaska.
What states make you?
Texas and Florida, you do not have to have a general duty for deaths unrelated to the property's condition.
What if like a wall was splattered?
unidentified
What if it's like a...
sal vulcano
Because I am...
joe rogan
How many states make you tell?
Those are the ones that believe in crystals.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Makes sense in LV, California, right?
Doesn't it?
Doesn't it make sense?
Alaska, California, and South Dakota.
That's eight states.
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
There's just a timeline, too.
joe rogan
Oh, in California, three years.
And in South Dakota, 12 months, get over it.
unidentified
12 months.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
Alaska says just suicide, too, in Alaska.
Listed as suicide as well.
That's interesting.
sal vulcano
What is the point of the 12 months?
jamie vernon
Get over it.
sal vulcano
Like, who's putting that in?
joe rogan
moves on Sal.
sal vulcano
We don't have to let you know if it's more than 12 months ago.
joe rogan
That's actually shocking.
I would have thought it would have been way more than that.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
That really is.
unidentified
I have him.
sal vulcano
I just recently, when my wife was not home for a few days and when we were having the baby and everything and I had to come home because I had work and I had to take care of my other daughter and stuff.
And I was never in bed without my wife there.
Like I just, it was the first time I was like laying in bed without her.
joe rogan
And that's when they come get you.
sal vulcano
That's when they get you, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
We know this, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, because she can't defend you.
sal vulcano
Right, exactly.
No, this is a new bit I'm doing based on something that happened to us.
So, you know, I'm on the road now, like all the time for comedy.
So she experiences that, but I don't.
And I was like, oh, this is, I feel vulnerable.
Like, like, what if, like, I'm thinking, like, what if an intruder or a killer or something like that, you know?
Right.
So I'm thinking to myself, well, she's, what's she going to, what's she going to do if she's here?
She's not going to do anything.
And I started to think, well, her being home is just a false, it's a delusion of security for me.
She might yell, alert me to the killer.
joe rogan
Just need one extra second.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
She might yell, alert me that that could help or the killer might kill her and I get away.
I don't want that to happen, but that's just like, what could happen right now?
She's not there.
I'm like, I need something in this house.
I don't have anything.
So I didn't think anything of this, but I Amazon primed the machete to the house, right?
So it came the next day.
She didn't come home until three days later.
So I had the machete in the house now.
Like I felt better, but I wasn't going to get a gun.
I just, you know, whatever.
I think I couldn't get a gun that quick anyway, right?
So I don't even know if it's whatever.
So I get this machete.
I have it in the, we have the king-size bed.
It's a split king.
So I had it like in the crack of the bed.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
So when she came home three days later, she got home at night.
She hadn't been home in like six days.
She took a shower.
She had major surgery.
She was healing.
She just got in bed and it was already late at night.
And so I was in bed and like we went in bed with her and we shut the lights and I was laying out.
I forgot that I didn't tell her that I ordered a machete.
I forgot that it was in between the bed.
So she felt it and she's like, what is this?
And I just was like, I knew she wasn't going to be happy about it.
So it was just like, you know, that's our machete.
We got a machete.
Amazon primed the machete.
And she's like, you're not keeping the machete.
Long story short, when I was laying there without her for a few days, I was like, this is not a good weapon because I'm going to end up, if an intruder comes, I'm going to machete them.
And then we can't live here anymore.
You have to move.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to move.
sal vulcano
If you get into a machete fight with someone and you chop them up, you have to move right away.
unidentified
Pretty much.
sal vulcano
You don't even stay.
Never mind Thanksgiving.
joe rogan
You don't clean up.
sal vulcano
You don't stay the next day.
And so I already started thinking, well, how do I sell this house then?
If I hit someone with a machete in here, they die right here.
That's bad for the listing.
But I don't have to disclose it now.
Now that I learned, I don't have to disclose it because I was like having an internal conflict.
joe rogan
Just hold on to it for a year or two.
sal vulcano
Don't have to.
joe rogan
In New York, you don't have to tell anybody anything, right?
Is that what it said?
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So what would this do?
I was worried about it.
jamie vernon
You gotta ask, though, you have to tell me.
joe rogan
Oh, you gotta disclose.
It's like, are you a cop?
It's like, are you a cop?
People thought that was real.
That is the dirtiest trick they ever pulled in.
sal vulcano
Did you machete anyone here?
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
You know, if you machete someone, you have to tell us.
joe rogan
Oh, you got me.
I'm an undercover cop.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's funny, man.
joe rogan
It is funny when you really stop and think about it because, like, that's such a crazy idea.
sal vulcano
That you have to.
joe rogan
That you have to tell them.
They lie about everything.
Like the guys that infiltrate the mob, you know, like those kind of guys.
Imagine if you have to tell.
Are you an undercover cop?
That's so funny.
You got me.
sal vulcano
That blows deep cover.
It's like Johnny Brosco.
Joe Pistone.
joe rogan
I had Joe Pistone on the podcast.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, recently.
He's amazing.
sal vulcano
He's 18 months in deep undercover.
One of the guys is like, are you a cop?
joe rogan
Imagine, oh, because if you say no, and you really are, the case gets thrown out.
Could you imagine?
sal vulcano
Imagine if that was the rules that were some type of lore or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, just like something they probably did on a TV show.
sal vulcano
Once, you know, you got to ask.
joe rogan
And people believed that.
When I was a kid, I remember people saying that.
If you're buying weed and the guy says that he's a cop, he can't tell you what you're doing.
Everyone knows you.
I got to ask him.
unidentified
Same.
sal vulcano
It's bullshit.
Complete bullshit.
joe rogan
Complete made-up stuff.
But that's just one of those things you would hear when you were a kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, before the internet.
You didn't even chance because we just checked to see the truth.
unidentified
I thought it was real.
sal vulcano
Like, I felt, not that I was doing anything that would have warranted me having to ask, but like, I did feel like a sense of like, oh, I got something in my back pocket.
If, if something's like, if I don't know, you know, like if I'm at a party, underage drinking, you know.
joe rogan
You might be able to pull that out and rescue yourself.
Oh, you got me.
Get out of here, kid.
sal vulcano
The best is the follow-up where if the cop says no and everyone's like, you know, you have to tell me if you are like, then the cop came, oh, okay, fine, fine, fine, fine.
I forgot I had to tell you.
I forgot.
joe rogan
What's the origin of that?
unidentified
I don't know.
sal vulcano
That's so.
joe rogan
Do you think that was like a television show or a movie or something?
I bet it was.
I bet it was like a tool that they used on a television, or maybe it was like a CIA op to get people to think that they would be able to use that anytime so they don't worry about doing illegal shit.
sal vulcano
Psyops feel like they're good answer for everything.
Although it's probably an episode of like Matlock or something like that.
joe rogan
Psyops also account for your hand grip.
Somebody gripping your hand.
There's some remote viewer reached out, some CIA basement fucking focused on your hand and squeezed it.
sal vulcano
Do you know I only learned what psyop?
I only learned the term psyop with the drones recently.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
sal vulcano
Yeah, I never heard of that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You never heard of psychological operations that are done on not just this civilization, but others?
sal vulcano
No, I never heard, at least framed as a psyop.
And then I was like, what is that?
And I was like, you know, because with the drones, man, I was, if that was a psyop, I was fully psyoped.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know what that was, you know, because they were going to tell us supposedly, and then they kind of just didn't.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
No, I was waiting every day.
Trump was like, I'm going to come.
When I'm in, I'm going to give you the full download immediately.
It's ridiculous.
I'll let you guys know what's going on specifically.
And then it was, it was, he said, someone, he didn't, then he never addressed.
Then someone else said to him, like, hey, what was going on with those drones?
Remember, you're going to tell us?
And he was like, they're ours.
And that's all he said.
That was like, that was like five weeks of, I was watching drones outside my window every night.
I had fucking binoculars.
Like my wife's like, go to bed.
You're going to drive yourself crazy.
I'm like, there's 12 drones outside right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't discount the idea that they're not telling you the truth.
But they might have been ours too.
That's the problem.
It might have been someone else's.
That doesn't mean anything.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it doesn't mean anything.
sal vulcano
But it's weird how the administration before him refused to say anything and let it get to a fever pitch where people started to feel like completely like, not that I don't trust the government already, but like it got to a point where I was like, this is, how are they allowed to just tell us, oh, you're not seeing it's there.
That's not what you're seeing.
Like, it just was like, I was getting like really, because now, you know, you think differently with kids and stuff like that.
I'm like, what's going on here?
I started like, I started Amazoning like dry foods and like survival manuals and stuff.
I'm like, what is, are we going to go to war?
Like, what is going on?
joe rogan
So there's a bunch of different possibilities, right?
And all of them, they don't have to be truthful about it, nor would they be.
If it's a national security issue, it'd probably be better if they weren't truthful because people would freak out.
It's also the potential that they are ours and they did them on purpose to see how people would respond.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So that's possible too.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
It's also possible that they're not ours and there's someone else who's flexing on us and they're doing it in a way where they're showing you we have technological superiority.
Our stuff is way more advanced than yours.
And if there would be a culprit in that regard, in my mind, it would be China.
unidentified
China, right?
sal vulcano
That's what I thought at first.
joe rogan
China is so far ahead of the United States in drone technology.
They're so far the United States in electric car technology.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like they're doing some wild stuff over there.
They make, I mean, at least Taiwan does, makes all the semiconductor chips or a lot of them.
There's a lot of electronics that are being manufactured over there.
They have a very high level of sophistication for their engineering and all the design and all the stuff they're doing.
They're doing some energy.
sal vulcano
They're light years.
joe rogan
Singapore, light years ahead of us.
I think we're sleeping on how far advanced they are with certain stuff.
They do drone shows that will fucking blow you away.
They have synchronized drones that do like stories in the sky.
Have you ever seen them, the Chinese drone shows?
sal vulcano
I've seen like just light drone shows here where they're like, they form like an image or something like that.
joe rogan
See, this is the thing about regulations.
Regulations are good.
You don't want a bunch of drones flying around slamming into planes.
But the problem is, if you only allow someone to fly these very sophisticated drones if they have a pilot's license and then you regulate everything the way they do in America and then you say you can't make this and you can't make that and we can't have this and you can't have that.
You're stifling innovation while in China, they're going hog wild.
So they're not even thinking about regulating.
They're making the best stuff they can make all the time and they have the best minds that they can have working on them because they have to.
Go make me a fucking drone army.
Jamie, pull up like the dragon one when they had the dragon in the sky.
Dude, their shit is so far beyond what we're doing.
sal vulcano
And that's why I thought there was out there that that was them and that was the same thing.
joe rogan
It could easily be that.
sal vulcano
But then Trump was just like, yeah, it's just us.
unidentified
It's us, us.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what you have to say because if you say that China's flexing on us.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
They have insane, and this isn't even the craziest one.
They have other ones that are even crazier.
Like, these things are nuts.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Exactly.
sal vulcano
That's all independently flown?
joe rogan
100%.
sal vulcano
Like, every single one of those lights is that it's not a single thing.
joe rogan
Every single one of those is independent.
They're all different drones.
And they all are moving to the sink of some program they created.
sal vulcano
Oh, my.
joe rogan
It's unbelievable, man.
And that's just the pretty stuff, right?
Now, imagine if they're doing that.
What kind of military stuff do they have?
What kind of stuff do they have that can block signals?
What kind of stuff did they have that maybe has some sort of a novel power source or a novel battery supply?
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
My friend saw one of them that just hovered overhead.
He said this thing just hovered.
He said it was as big as a fucking school bus and it was just hovering above his head in New Jersey.
And he was like, well, that's the first time.
sal vulcano
They were like the size of like cars.
joe rogan
He said it wasn't a helicopter.
It wasn't loud.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It took off.
And some of them, they said when they were going after them, they shut their lights off and evaded pursuit.
sal vulcano
Yes.
joe rogan
They put jamming signals out so you couldn't find their location.
They were doing weird stuff.
So if that is ours, then they're trying, like, look, if you're going to do a real military exercise, that's how you would do it.
If you're going to, if you were going to say, okay, we're going to plan this out, but we're not going to let the pilots know what's going on.
We're going to start flying these things over and seeing how these jets interact with them in a real world environment.
Tell them not to shoot, give very distinct orders, not to be shot down, because we're not going to do anything hostile with these drones.
Let's see how good they are at finding them, tracking them.
Let's like pressure test the system.
So if they're ours, I would say that would be a good way to do it.
I mean, it seems a little unethical.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you also get two things at the same time.
You get the little psychological thing where you get to see how bad people freak out.
Some people might freak out.
Please look at my phone.
Do whatever you want.
Set an Alexa in my toilet.
Do whatever you want.
Just protect me from the drones.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can find out how people react to the UFO craze.
And then you can also find out how well our drones are at evading modern warplanes.
sal vulcano
Alexa in the toilet's not a bad idea as well.
Don't sell yourself short.
joe rogan
You're going to have robots in your house that talk to you all day and report what you say to the government.
sal vulcano
I do that now.
I do that now.
I finally did chat.
I did chat.
I was telling you, I did chat GPT finally.
I was like, I'm not going to do this.
I'm not going to do this.
I really don't want to do this.
And I was like, I also don't want to be left behind.
joe rogan
It's going to be inevitable.
And it's not just going to be inevitable.
I mean, there's going to be versions of it that are going to achieve things that the greatest human minds couldn't even believe.
Couldn't even believe it would be possible within our lifetime.
That's what I think.
I think it's going to get to a point when they have artificial general superintelligence.
And it's, what is it, 2049?
What's the year they think it's going to achieve its peak intelligence?
There's like estimations.
Like a lot of these guys, they point, is it 2045 or 2049?
There's like the Kurzweil guys.
Because that was that conference that Ari and I and Duncan went to back in the day.
That was Kurzweil's thing.
I think it was 2049.
So if at 2049, like what does the AI look like then?
It's like some super creature, some new type of life form, you know?
Some new super intelligent thing that we made.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's when the aliens land and went, finally, they go, finally, you guys made it.
2040 and 2050.
With some placing a 50% probability around this timeframe.
Predictions range widely.
With some entrepreneurs and AI leaders being more optimistic, suggesting dates in the 2030s or even late 2020s, while others expect it closer to mid-century or later.
Wow.
sal vulcano
Nah.
joe rogan
Bro, that's scary.
sal vulcano
You know how I'm using it now?
I just talked.
I paid the 20 bucks and I named, I asked the, I gave her a female voice or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
This is fun, though.
I mean, at least I'll have fun while I can with it.
And I just said, I said, what's your name?
And she said, just chat.
No, just chat GPT.
I'm like, no, baby.
Can I call you Stankass?
unidentified
Whoa.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I just, just off the top, I was like, I'll call you Stankass.
And she was like, she goes, it's a bit crass, but I get why it's funny.
unidentified
Sure.
sal vulcano
So I was like, cool.
Can you just call me Big Pimpin whenever you talk to me?
And she's like, all right.
And I was like, and whenever we speak, no matter what I'm asking, can you please speak in 90s hip-hop vernacular?
And she's like, yeah, so now that's just how I'll ask her something.
She's like, yo, what up, big pimpin'?
She's like, let me get you that.
Let me get you those whatever.
She's like, let me find you a hydration tablet that's in the, you know, here, check it out.
joe rogan
Do you know how many guys are doing that?
sal vulcano
What?
joe rogan
Do you know how many guys are like falling in love with girls that they have AI girlfriends?
sal vulcano
I mean, that's, yeah, that's fucked up, but there's no doubt that's going to happen.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, hey, Stankyas, you there?
Yo, big pimpin'.
I'm right here vibing with you.
What you need, just hit me up and we'll keep it all hip-hop and smooth like a bunch of people.
That's hilarious, dude.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
unidentified
That's as far as I've got.
joe rogan
Now that's going to be a person in your house.
One day that's going to be a person in your house, a really hot one in like a maid's outfit.
sal vulcano
Not if I have anything to do with this.
joe rogan
Not you, but some guy out there listening.
He's going to be talking to Big Pimpin.
We're going to be in the Matrix in five years.
sal vulcano
Every time I come, I can't leave here with a full-blown new set of anxieties.
I can't do it.
joe rogan
You're going to need them.
unidentified
You're going to need those anxieties for when society falls.
sal vulcano
I can't.
joe rogan
You're going to need to learn to use that bow and arrow.
It's going through.
sal vulcano
Yeah, how about instead of this gym?
How about instead of that, Jim?
You just take me a little bow and hour practice.
joe rogan
Just a little bit.
sal vulcano
Well, just give me enough, like if someone's running on my lawn, I could just take them.
joe rogan
There's no such thing as a little.
Someone could show how to do it once.
But if you want to learn like a traditional bow and arrow setup, I'm not the guy to do that.
sal vulcano
Because the machete's not going to go that fast.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The machete, also the grip.
I don't like how close it is to the blade.
I don't like that.
sal vulcano
I don't like that either.
joe rogan
I don't like that.
Although I did watch two guys in a machete fight in the streets, and one guy chopped the other guy's hand off, and the other guy picked his hand up and left.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's on Instagram.
Tom Scura sent me that one.
sal vulcano
He picked it up and left.
joe rogan
Chopped his fucking hand right off, and that dude looked down, grabbed his hand, and left.
He's like, I guess this fight's over.
I just lost a hand.
Let me pick up my hand and fucking scared.
sal vulcano
I mean, what do you think there?
I mean, I guess this is better than dying.
joe rogan
I guess.
sal vulcano
He took the hand.
He's optimistic.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, maybe they could stitch it back on.
sal vulcano
Your hand gets chopped off.
You don't run.
You get the hand.
joe rogan
Let's talk about the caliber of doctors available in a place where you can get your hand chopped off in a machete fight in the street.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
Right in front of a taco vendor.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The veterinarian.
sal vulcano
You got to find a white person.
joe rogan
Don't play it.
Don't play it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
I just wanted to see it.
Okay.
Play it.
sal vulcano
Do I watch this?
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
Oh, my God, dude.
joe rogan
See, that guy already doesn't have a hand.
See?
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
No, I don't see, and I don't want to see.
joe rogan
See how he runs off?
He's missing his fucking hand.
sal vulcano
He's like, I said unleaded.
joe rogan
Bro, those guys hacked each other apart with machetes.
So look, he's missing his fucking hand.
Look at him.
He's like, where's your hand?
Oh, it's over here, bro.
And so this dude runs over and picks up his fucking hand.
Dude, he runs over.
Oh, my God, dude.
Grabs his hand.
Okay, we're done.
Please stop.
sal vulcano
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Please stop, Jamie.
Why, Jamie?
Why did you do that?
sal vulcano
I mean, he had to be in shock, right?
Because he looked composed.
joe rogan
Or that happens normally in his neighborhood.
You know, probably a bunch of one-handed dudes out there running around.
sal vulcano
How many times was that reattached before this?
No, he strolled up to that.
unidentified
I know.
sal vulcano
He strolled up to it.
joe rogan
He didn't freak out at all.
sal vulcano
He had to be in shock.
That was the most non-it was like he was picking up a quarter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's obviously not a healthy individual.
His life circumstances are not the best.
You're in a machete fight in the middle of the street.
sal vulcano
The two of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's nuts.
sal vulcano
And it wasn't like they were in the jungle.
They were at a gas station.
joe rogan
Crazy decision to make.
sal vulcano
What could they have been fighting over?
joe rogan
Probably a chick.
jamie vernon
Just the first of a machete fight hand gives me seven different cases.
joe rogan
No, don't show me anymore, Jamie.
jamie vernon
It's not all video, but it talks about it happening.
joe rogan
Of course it has.
I mean, imagine what life was like when people were sword fighting all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a normal thing to carry on a sword everywhere.
sal vulcano
A lot of people had no, I bet that was very common to see people without limbs.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like that, like missing half their face.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You probably.
sal vulcano
What did they do back then?
Cauterize it or something?
Like, how did they?
joe rogan
He probably died.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet he got infected.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they didn't even know how to wash things back then.
So as soon as you, you know, you get any kind of horrible injury, you're going to get an infection.
sal vulcano
I just learned how George Washington died.
unidentified
Did you hear about this?
No.
sal vulcano
You never heard about how he died?
unidentified
That's pretty fucked up.
sal vulcano
He caught a common cold and then thought that he needed to get his blood sucked out of him.
What?
And so he got people to put leeches on him.
And the leeches were just sucking the blood out of him.
And it was like a cold.
And then he got infected and he basically caught an emotional, I guess.
He went out in the rain or something like that and got a cold.
And then it was a common cold and he put leeches on him.
They sucked out his blood.
And then he was losing blood.
And then he ended up doing more stuff to himself.
He basically killed himself.
unidentified
Jesus.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just a common cold?
sal vulcano
It was a cold.
Yeah.
I didn't know.
joe rogan
How do you know it was just a cold?
A long ass time ago.
sal vulcano
Yeah, well, that's what the research says.
I mean, because on the show, we made my buddy.
joe rogan
Maybe this is the anti-leech lobby.
sal vulcano
We reenacted his death.
So there was like a walking tour in New York City, like a historical tour, and it ends at Franz's Tavern, which is the oldest bar, and that's where Washington hung out.
So we dressed him as Washington at the end of this tour, and we put leeches on him.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
sal vulcano
But we pulled it from the actual story.
It's kind of wild.
joe rogan
That is wild.
And that's what killed him?
Fucking leeches?
Extracted a half a pint of blood.
Oh, God.
A guy did.
So Rawlins extracted half a pint of blood.
Washington favored this treatment despite Martha's voice concern.
Should have listened to Martha, bro.
As he believed it cured him of past ailments.
Washington was also given to a mixture of molasses, butter, and vinegar to soothe his throat.
This mixture was difficult to swallow, causing Washington to convulse and nearly suffocate.
sal vulcano
Jesus.
And the sicker he got, the sicker he got, the more he thought it was the blood.
So he kept telling him to add leeches.
unidentified
Oh, God.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
A solution of vinegar and sage tea prepared for gargling.
He was bled for the fourth and final time.
It was later reported that a total of 32 ounces of blood was extracted during the last bleeding.
Some in the press criticized the practice of bloodletting used in an attempt to save Washington's life.
Isn't that crazy that bloodletting, which is fucking terrible for you?
They used to think that that was a good thing back then.
That is nuts.
sal vulcano
Just drain all the blood out of himself.
joe rogan
Who was the fucking genius in 1775 or whatever it was?
What year did he die?
It had to be after that, right?
It's like 1799.
99.
Like, who's the wizard?
Who was that topic?
sal vulcano
He commanded it.
joe rogan
Who's the Anthony Fauci of bloodletting?
It's both safe and effective.
unidentified
And he got poor George believing that he had multiple doctors.
joe rogan
But somebody must have told him to do that.
It wasn't his idea.
sal vulcano
And he kept thanking them, too.
He was like being gracious through it all, being like, thank you so much for helping me.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
Five in the afternoon, Washington sat up from bed, dressed, and walked over to his chair.
He returned to bed within 30 minutes.
Craig went to him and Lear reported that Washington said, Doctor, I die hard, but I am not afraid to go.
I believe from my first attack that I should not survive it.
My breath cannot last long.
Soon afterwards, Washington thanked all three doctors for their service.
Craig remained in the room.
At eight at night, more blisters and cataplasms were applied, this time to Washington's feet and legs.
Is that what a leech is?
A cataplasm?
sal vulcano
I think so.
joe rogan
At 10 at night, George Washington spoke, requesting to be decently buried and to not let my body be put in the vault in less than three days after I am dead.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
Maybe he just wanted to go.
You know?
It also could have been like, think about that guy.
How many guys did that guy hack to death?
You know, during the Revolutionary War, like, what shit did he see?
sal vulcano
A lot of machetes.
joe rogan
How many muskets to the face did he see?
You know, and he was at the front line.
Like, that fucking animal waded into battle.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I stopped.
At that time, he was probably like, just take my fucking blood.
unidentified
I've had enough.
joe rogan
1899, how old was he when he died?
17, I don't know.
Yeah, 1799, rather.
How old was he?
unidentified
67.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
unidentified
He was done.
joe rogan
He was probably done.
He was probably done.
sal vulcano
I stopped watching Game of Thrones after season six just because I couldn't bear to see one more slip throat.
unidentified
And you see what that guy went through.
joe rogan
I know.
Game of the White Wedding got me.
I was like, am I really invested in this show?
unidentified
I stopped.
sal vulcano
I don't know what happens after I die.
joe rogan
Like The Walking Dead when they baseball batted that dude in the head.
I was like, I'm out.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I only watched it.
Season two or three, I only did.
No, you know what it was for me in Game of Thrones, they put like a little girl at the stake and burned her at the stake.
That was like the end of season six.
And I was like, why am I watching this?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Like, it's just, it's not entertainment to me.
This is like, this is like disturbing to me.
joe rogan
That show at times was very horrific.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very horrific.
But also fucking awesome.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it was intense.
It was intense.
It was like really.
But I didn't care.
I was like, I can't watch another slit throat.
joe rogan
I know.
There were some cool moments, though.
You get past the slit throats.
There were some moments where Khaleesi had that dragon behind her, and you didn't see the dragon until like a couple of seconds before it burned the person.
She's talking to this person, and I forget what they had been guilty of.
But she's standing there, and then in the darkness behind her, slowly, you just see this dragon emerge.
This enormous head that's right behind her.
It's one of the fucking coolest scenes in any show ever.
sal vulcano
It's all drones.
joe rogan
And then it torches.
It looks so realistic.
That's what's so crazy about CGI.
sal vulcano
It was good to see all those characters get their comeuppance.
joe rogan
Everybody got their comeuppance.
That was the craziest thing about that show.
Everybody died.
I mean, the brother got his hand hacked off, and you're like, what the fuck?
He's got no hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When that dude got killed by the mountain, they crushed his head like a grape.
Don't remember that?
sal vulcano
No.
jamie vernon
About the treatments they gave George Washington.
joe rogan
Other treatments they gave him during that period were enemas and drugs to make him vomit and something called blisters where they applied Spanish fly onto his throat, which caused a painful blister again to remove these terrible humors that are caused by the inflammation.
Humors?
jamie vernon
Maybe it's just bioxico tumors could have been there.
joe rogan
Oh, maybe tumors that were caused by the inflammation?
That doesn't make any sense.
Tumors.
But if the disease itself didn't get George Washington, the doctor certainly did.
Yeah, man, he probably wanted to go.
sal vulcano
He didn't have a disease, though.
He had just a cold.
And it just was all of these things, blisters, and suffocating him with the molasses and the leeches and everything.
It's like, I didn't know that.
I had no idea.
joe rogan
Every time he closed his eyes, he probably saw a fucking bayonet through some guy's eyeball that he did.
He probably saw some dude's head that he bashed against a rock.
He probably saw some other dude that he fucking battlaxed in the head.
But they rolled a guy that he shot.
I know, but it's like no one knew what PTSD was back then.
No one, you know, even in Vietnam, they used to call it shell-shocked.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one knew what PTSD was.
And this guy had to have all of it.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
You know, he had all of it.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I mean, plus wooden teeth.
Slaves' teeth, bro.
joe rogan
He had slaves' teeth and horse teeth in his mouth in a lead mold.
Shane has a hilarious bit about it.
sal vulcano
Oh, when he went to go visit the...
joe rogan
About the visiting the George Washington Museum.
It's a hilarious bit, but the teeth are the creepiest looking fucking things you've ever seen.
sal vulcano
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
It was so creepy.
They just made this concoction to stick in his fucking face where they pulled all the rest of his teeth out and gave him this just full-on set of fake teeth.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, it looks insane.
You're like, how bad was gum health back then that this guy had to get a full set of fake teeth?
sal vulcano
I can't even imagine being back then having a conversation.
joe rogan
Oh, God, the breath.
sal vulcano
Just having a conversation with someone.
joe rogan
Oh, just...
sal vulcano
It's just a different time, man.
joe rogan
Well, if someone saw you walking down the street and they liked your shoes, they would just kill you and take your shoes.
sal vulcano
Just kill you.
joe rogan
They would look at your feet, see if they're close to their feet, and just fucking kill you.
sal vulcano
Yeah, Washington couldn't wear Jordans anywhere.
joe rogan
No, Jordans.
No.
unidentified
Right.
That is kind of happening today.
joe rogan
If you think about it that way in certain places.
unidentified
I didn't think about it that way.
But life was definitely way more barbaric then.
joe rogan
Way more barbaric.
sal vulcano
What's the most we put up with now?
unidentified
I mean, really?
joe rogan
Well, for now, not bad.
But when the robots come, John Connor tried to warn us.
sal vulcano
It's wild to watch those movies right now.
joe rogan
I know.
sal vulcano
Yo, those are kind of accurate.
joe rogan
Super accurate, like disturbingly accurate.
Like, and we're just wading right into it, like, oh, we're going to be fine.
This is fine.
unidentified
We're all talking about it.
joe rogan
I forgot to tell you this when you were telling me about the scuba diving stuff.
My buddy Adam Greentree, he was free diving, and these guys made, you know, they have those really long flippers, the free divers do.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they're called, right?
Flippers?
Fins?
sal vulcano
That's what I was saying.
joe rogan
I didn't know.
These fucking guys made him this really cool pair and painted them fish scales.
And so, no, it's not dope.
Because he swims in a place where they have sharks.
So he's spearfishing.
He shoots this fish and these bull sharks show up.
Because apparently, so many people spearfish that the sharks have figured out that the sound of that gun going off means there's going to be blood in the water and a wounded fish and they could steal it from the people.
And so as he shot the fish, these bull sharks show up and they bite his fucking fins off.
Both of his fins.
sal vulcano
But just the fins.
joe rogan
Just the fins.
Because they think the fin is a fish.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
They don't know what the fuck he is, but they think his fins are a fish because they've got fucking scales on them.
sal vulcano
They're fucking nuts.
I'm sure the fish helmet didn't help either.
joe rogan
No.
Did he have gills and shit?
sal vulcano
He was dressed as a fish.
unidentified
Imagine that's your next thing they make you do after they hear this sound.
joe rogan
Oh boy, we got something.
We heard you like scuba diving.
sal vulcano
They just uh we talked about this last time, but I'm not good with jump scares.
I we talked about this.
Like, I'm just not good with it.
They threw me in the haunted house.
We talked about this.
joe rogan
Right, right.
sal vulcano
So we just wrapped season 12.
So it was like one of the last things it's kind of my fault because we were going to put do this to Q. We're going to put him in a demolition derby and stuff and then have him not be able to finish until he canceled this cable.
So insurance wouldn't let us do the demolition derby.
So now we're in like Halloween time.
They found this like this place in Jersey that's like a warehouse that they do like it's an insane haunted house.
It's like these people come in and get into makeup like two hours before like it's like a really crazy one.
They put me in this thing and I and I was live on a live feed with an operator and I could not leave the haunted house until I canceled my phone, internet and cable.
unidentified
So so I was in it for 42 minutes.
joe rogan
Oh, that's ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
The first thing that happened was I got that, it went live on the feed.
So I'm hearing it.
I'm walking through this thing.
Oh, fucking warehouse.
It was so, so insane.
The first thing comes out is we are experiencing unusual traffic.
You have a 12 to 17 minute wait time.
unidentified
Oh, God.
sal vulcano
So I'm going through the haunted house.
joe rogan
Well, that would make me calm down.
Like after you get scared a few times, like, I get it.
No.
sal vulcano
What do you mean you get it?
What do you get?
joe rogan
I get it.
sal vulcano
People coming after you the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah, but after a while, I'd get used to it.
sal vulcano
No, no.
joe rogan
It got worse?
It was like...
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was, dude, it was like a warehouse.
It was like, I never was in it.
I was never in the same room twice for 40 minutes.
It was like a huge, huge place.
And so you didn't know themes changed and demons changed and everything.
joe rogan
Sounds fun.
sal vulcano
It wasn't fun for me.
I'll tell you, this is an era in hindsight.
I shouldn't have done this, but I needed to know because I said to them, I said, look, I just need, if I'm really like, if I need to breathe for a second, if you're really messing with me and I need for real for it to stop, I need you to let me know truthfully that you'll stop because I can't do this.
My nervous system is going to be out of whack.
It just, this is how I respond to this stuff.
And so they said, yes, but I didn't believe them because I've had this happen in the past, like where we fuck with each other and we don't tell the truth.
So I brought a taser with me because I, or the stun gun, I brought one with me in there because it made me feel at least if I felt that I needed one of these people to back off from me and I took out the taser.
joe rogan
You would tase them?
And then please?
sal vulcano
No, I wouldn't tase them.
But I had it on me.
joe rogan
You showed them to scare it to them?
To scare them with it?
sal vulcano
And it came out.
It came out.
unidentified
Really?
sal vulcano
Yes.
Because after the 17-minute wait time, this guy came on and you have to think about this.
Like, I thought he was going to continually hang up on me because I'm in a haunted house.
Like, he's screaming and there's music and I'm screaming.
I'm running around.
And so I said, as soon as he picked up, I said, just listen to me, please.
And I'm being dead serious.
I have to cancel my cable right now.
And I'm in a haunted house.
And there's no other time I could do it.
This is not a joke.
I need to stay on the phone with you.
So you're going to hear screaming and me screaming and things happening, but please don't hang up on me, please.
And the guy goes, I understand.
So he stayed on the line with me after he picked up like after like it was like 14 minutes.
So by the time I was like 30, 35 minutes in, and they said these people weren't going to touch me and they did.
And like, I just, my nervous system was completely shocked.
joe rogan
Weren't I supposed to touch you?
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
What did the guy do?
sal vulcano
They would grab me, run up to me, jump from behind, like all that stuff like that.
And so I was like, part of me thought that it might be a little funny, but also like it, they wouldn't come near me if I was going, brrrrrrrrrrrrr, you know, like, so I was like, this is my way.
And I took it out and I did it.
And I didn't realize, though, like that, like afterward, I found out that the guy that owns the place, they were watching on like the closed circuit televisions and he freaked out because like he's like, whoa, he has a taser.
Like, what is you can't, he can't do that.
Like, and you know, those people, they're supposed to still come at me, but like when I, but they played it really cool.
They were just like, you know, like, they were like surrounding me and everything.
And I was like just hitting the taser on it.
But I put it away after a few minutes.
But I like, it did give me like a respite that like they weren't going to give me.
But after I canceled the cable, they were like, it happened like sooner than they thought.
So they were like, cancel phone.
Then after I cancel phone, they added canceling internet.
So I stayed on with this guy.
I canceled phone, internet, and cable.
It took 40, 42 minutes.
unidentified
Jesus.
sal vulcano
But I got, yeah, but I had it.
I had the taser.
And sometimes you got to take, you know, into your own hands.
joe rogan
You know, I understand.
unidentified
That's all I did.
I did.
joe rogan
But it would have fucked.
unidentified
It would have really sucked if you actually tasered somebody, though.
I had an idea.
joe rogan
Have you ever been taser?
sal vulcano
Did not do that.
No.
joe rogan
Don't you want to know what it feels like when you have one?
sal vulcano
I've been shocked really bad by large dog, like dog shock collars.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
So I guess I don't know if that's the same.
joe rogan
What is the difference between a dog shock collar and a taser?
But there's also different kinds of tasers, right?
There's like really powerful tasers.
And then there's tasers that are like...
sal vulcano
Look, I had...
They did this to me two times on the show.
unidentified
How bad is it?
sal vulcano
It's so bad.
It might be online.
They put them around my arms and legs.
joe rogan
At the same time, all four of them?
sal vulcano
All four at the same time.
joe rogan
Did you check to see if that'll kill you?
sal vulcano
didn't and my wife was like you have to go to the doctor because you can oh my god dude that's a lot of electricity It was like 100 times they shocked me, right?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
sal vulcano
They made me give a museum tour.
So I was a tour guide in the museum.
I had them under my clothes, and I couldn't let the people know that anything weird was going on.
So I'm giving a tour of this museum, and the whole time they're shocking me under my clothes, and I like can't let on to people in my tour group.
And I didn't want to feel the shock until I was on camera because I was like, I'm not going to take any extra shocks.
So they shocked me for the first time on camera.
And I almost jumped out of my clothes.
I was like, I can't do this.
You can't do this.
I had to do it because you can't say no to a punishment.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it seems like that punishment hadn't been really vetted out.
sal vulcano
It really wasn't.
joe rogan
Four collars is probably too much.
Like, they could have killed you.
Imagine.
sal vulcano
Well, listen.
So the next season, they did it again.
And I was at a seance.
And I was like a music psychic medium.
joe rogan
See how many collars?
sal vulcano
This is how dumb I am because I think I did irreparable damage.
joe rogan
For real?
sal vulcano
Because we went on tour after that.
joe rogan
All right, here's the difference.
Dog collar, 400 volts to 7,000 volts.
Taser, 50,000 volts, sustained 1,200 volts.
So it looks like initial 50,000 volts sustained 1,200 volts.
So a taser is a lot worse initially.
But go back again.
Go back again, Jamie.
But the thing is, like, you have four on.
So you don't have one dog.
sal vulcano
They hit me one at a time, though.
joe rogan
You have four.
sal vulcano
I just don't know where it's going to come from.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
But if they held it down, like, you literally go like this.
Like, you can't move.
You go like.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I'm saying it now, and I'm like, this should have never happened.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Well, if they only did one at a time, still, that's a lot.
sal vulcano
It's a lot, dude.
joe rogan
That could really hurt you.
Like, did they check your heart for you?
Did they check your heart?
Did you go through an EKG or anything like that?
sal vulcano
Jesus, man, that's silly.
I'm worse off because when we went on tour after that, I thought it was funny to do live.
It hurt bad, but like, so for the whole tour, I would show like a clip from the television show and then be like, oh, I'm going to tell you this story about like this time.
Did I tell you I have tattoos of Jaden Smith on my body?
Like photorealistic tattoos of Jaden Smith on my thigh?
joe rogan
I don't think you did.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Is that something you had to do?
sal vulcano
I had to do, yeah.
So I was telling the story of that while hooked up to the shot collars like at the at the show.
And so they could, they called up someone from the audience and they stood behind me and they can shock me while I was doing this bit about Jaden like whenever they wanted and we did that throughout the tour.
unidentified
Oh my God.
sal vulcano
And I just always like thought like, well, if they do it to a dog, it's safe.
joe rogan
Has Jaden seen this?
sal vulcano
He posed for that one.
That's hilarious.
But the first one, he's 21 there.
The first one right there is when he was 15.
He didn't know about that one.
And I saw him in public and I showed him it.
joe rogan
What did he say?
sal vulcano
It was really weird.
joe rogan
Sounds so ridiculous.
sal vulcano
It's on my thigh right now.
It was weird.
joe rogan
You have to keep it there.
Can you cover it up?
sal vulcano
The spirit was that I have to live with it.
joe rogan
Spirit.
What kind of bullshit show is that?
It's a commitment to come up with some stuff to do to them.
sal vulcano
It's a commitment to it.
joe rogan
It's going to last for your whole life.
sal vulcano
I know.
joe rogan
A commitment to the bit.
Listen, put something else on.
Put a puppy.
sal vulcano
It was at Comic-Con, and I saw him walking because he was dressed as Batman.
Jaden was dressed as Batman.
There was this month in the press where he was walking around everywhere in a white Batman suit.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
And I saw that white Batman suit.
And I was like, that's Jaden.
And I had it.
And so I ran up to him.
And I'm like, Jaden, you don't know me.
I'm sorry, but I had to show you this.
And I went to go lower my pants.
And his security guard grabbed me by the neck.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
sal vulcano
And I was like, no, no.
And then the other security guy goes, no, I know who he is.
He's good.
And I showed him it.
And he was like, oh, my God, this is the first one I've ever seen.
Like, you know.
And then as I'm showing it, I kind of look up and M. Night Shyamalan is staring at us because they did a movie together.
They were there promoting a movie After Earth, I think it was called.
Jaden Smith was in this like this alien movie or this like outer space movie that M. Night Shamlan directed.
And so I didn't realize because I didn't look at him.
joe rogan
What movie is that?
sal vulcano
So M. Knight was just staring at me, show him he was 15 years old.
joe rogan
After Earth, danger is real, fear is a choice.
I don't remember that.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and so I just looked up and I'm like, M. Knight's looking at me, and I'm just like, oh, hey, man.
He's like, hey.
joe rogan
Oh, Will Smith's in it, too.
That's right.
Okay, now I remember it.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
And so then we shot the movie like four or five years later, and they made me go to a movie premiere with him.
And afterwards, there was a QA of the cast.
And they made me like wear Daisy Dukes, like short shorts, so that his thigh was showing.
And I didn't know he was in on it.
He called me up to the stage, and I had to act like I was wearing a shirt that said number one Jaden fan.
So I had to look like a crazy person.
I'm like, I'm the number one Jaden fan.
He calls me on stage and he goes, Ah, man, that was when I was like 15.
I don't even look like that anymore.
You got to update that.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
sal vulcano
And I was like, what?
We left that stage, went right in that moment to a tattoo puller, and he posed for the other thigh.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's commitment, dude.
That's how you get to season 12.
sal vulcano
That's how you get it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Congratulations on that.
That's awesome.
sal vulcano
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
That's really kind of crazy.
Like, I didn't realize it's been that long.
But I remember when it was blowing up, everybody was talking about it back at the store.
They were talking about how you guys are doing these shows on the road and selling out places and killing it.
sal vulcano
Yeah, 2011.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
We got like over 300 apps now.
joe rogan
It's amazing, dude.
Congratulations.
unidentified
It's wild.
joe rogan
It's really fucking awesome.
sal vulcano
Thank you, bud.
joe rogan
That's a huge accomplishment.
And it's got such an awesome following, too.
I mean, you guys have a huge following.
sal vulcano
Yeah, the fans are great.
joe rogan
The fans are great.
And you're at Kill Tony tonight.
sal vulcano
I'm at Kill Tony tonight.
I'm touring right now.
I'm doing the Chicago Theater in November.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a great place.
sal vulcano
The Beacon, the Rhyming.
I've liked up like 50, 60 dates.
It's on savvycomedy.com.
unidentified
Beautiful.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
All right, brother.
Good to see you, Michael.
sal vulcano
It's good to come back, man.
Thanks for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
Thanks for being here.
unidentified
All right.
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