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Joe Rogan Experience #2389 - Sal Vulcano
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unidentified
Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
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Logan experience.
Train by day, Joe Relogan podcast by night.
All day.
joe rogan
Yep.
What's up?
What was the last time I saw you?
sal vulcano
It was I was here promoting my special uh man, it was uh June of last year.
joe rogan
Damn, time flies.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A fucking whole year.
Oh my goodness.
Congratulations.
sal vulcano
Thank you, dude.
joe rogan
Look at you out there breeding.
sal vulcano
Right.
A tribute to the population.
joe rogan
How old are you?
sal vulcano
Um 40.
I'll be 49 in November.
joe rogan
So did you do the math like when your kids are 20?
sal vulcano
Bro, I I've done every math.
Every piece of math you could do.
joe rogan
It's pretty healthy.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
No, I am.
That's exactly what happened.
I started with a trainer four weeks ago.
And uh and and just did all this blood work and taking all these scans and tests and stuff now just because I'm like, I have to I have to be here as long as possible.
joe rogan
It changes the game when you have children.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can fuck off and do coke and heroin and fucking sleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Luckily I wasn't doing that.
joe rogan
No, but you as soon as you have a kid, you're like, oh my God, I want to leave my kid.
sal vulcano
I was eating because of whatever cereal.
I was like backing out of the driver without looking, but like now.
joe rogan
Most of my Instagram algorithm is things that I shouldn't eat.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like sandwiches, sandwiches and pizza.
sal vulcano
You have trouble with that stuff?
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
No, not at all.
joe rogan
No, I don't have trouble.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just know it's not good for you.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most mostly I eat good stuff.
sal vulcano
What's what what's what's like a you yeah, you're like an like a like an egg white.
joe rogan
No, I eat yolks.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
Yolks are the healthy part.
sal vulcano
Yolks.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I eat the whole egg.
But I have chickens.
So what you're fresh eggs.
sal vulcano
Are you like a like do you have like a diet like an Olympic?
Like are you like an Olympian?
No.
unidentified
Are you like weighing your food and like no no no no no no no?
joe rogan
I eat way too much.
If I weighed my food, I'd be like, I eat for a 300-pound man.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
But is that because that's because of how much you exercise and stuff?
joe rogan
It's a that, but it's also I'm a glutton.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm a glutton.
sal vulcano
But you could do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I can get away with it.
But I do eat a lot.
Like if I go out to dinner, I will eat a st a large steak.
I will have multiple sides of multiple appetizers, and then I look like I'm pregnant when I leave.
sal vulcano
That's how you eat, yeah.
joe rogan
You just I fucking eat I eat a lot of food, man.
It's not it's not smart.
sal vulcano
How do you burn all your calories?
Is it all trying like you have like is it all like jujitsu stuff or whatever?
joe rogan
I do a lot of working out, but I also do intermittent fasting.
I'm just smart about when to be a glutton and then when to back off.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I just don't keep my foot on the gas, that's all.
But like when I go to New York, it's all Italian food.
It's Italian food for like three days.
sal vulcano
You gotta I can eat it every day.
joe rogan
I could too.
It's a problem.
It's a problem.
It's all Italian subs and pasta and favorite spots in New York.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got a bunch of spots.
I got a bunch of spots.
I got a spot in Vegas too.
We're just at this uh place, Gaetano's.
It's all handmade pasta with imported flour from Italy.
We ate there after the fights.
Oh my god.
unidentified
I love it.
sal vulcano
I have to go there.
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm going through Vegas on.
I'm still doing touring the tour that I was here with last that started in 24.
I'm going through till all the way through 26.
joe rogan
Oh nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damn.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I took like a three-month well.
I took a break when I had my my baby my new baby, and then I took like a little bit of a like a six-month, but now I'm like back at it full.
I got a bunch of big shows coming up, so it's like let me get out there and like tell people I'm still alive.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got you gotta get out there if you want to do something, because it's like the you know, if you just work in the city, yeah, you can't really put together an hour.
sal vulcano
No, I mean I pieced it together.
I mean, I'm uh I'm constantly on the road.
I just I just went down just to have a little bit of a breather because we just finished uh uh rapping season 12 of the show.
And so I was touring and doing the show, and I had and I had a kid.
So it's like I just couldn't even and then we produced another show and all that shit in between.
So it's like I just haven't been I went on hiatus on my podcast and stuff because I had to something had to give.
So now it's like let me let me just get back out there and just now I'm not filming, I'm just really focusing on the tour and like a new pod I got coming out.
joe rogan
When you do stand up, do you take guys with you that are your friends on the road?
Yeah, that's the move.
sal vulcano
Yeah, all the time.
joe rogan
That's the only way to go.
sal vulcano
It's it makes it it makes it fun.
Yeah, fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're with buddies.
It's like a vacation that you get to work at.
sal vulcano
Yeah, if if I if I didn't, it's it can get it can get depressing fast.
joe rogan
Real fast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're solo, super fast.
If you're solo and you're working with local openers, especially if they they they're boring.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're they're not fun to hang out with.
sal vulcano
Oh yeah, that's in the club in the groom.
I'm even talking about in like the hotel and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, that's bad too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just gotta find things to do.
For me, it's always I've I work out and I play pool.
So those are two things that occupy a lot of my time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's good.
sal vulcano
I didn't work out and I didn't play pool.
So I'm I'm like, I got I got this guy, right?
And I'm like, um, I'm weak.
I have no stamina.
I'm old.
And like I need to reverse all this, you know, like so like you're gonna start with me now and I'm I'm really gonna show you nothing.
Like I I Well that's good.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That means you're gonna be able to see progress where I am.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's good.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'll be able to see progress.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's all no matter where you're at, if you're thinking about working out, do it.
Because it's a good place to start, no matter where you're at.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're really fit, great.
Good place to start.
sal vulcano
Yes.
joe rogan
Get even more fit.
If you're out of shape, great.
Good place to start.
Good place to start.
Baby steps, don't go too hard, don't get hurt, build up slow.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I got some blood work back, and I was like, I need to change somebody's numbers.
And like also I got like a second in-depth blood work, and like they like they told me all this extra stuff that I couldn't have known.
And one of us I'm very susceptible to soft tissue injury.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a bitch.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I'm a bitch.
unidentified
That's what I think.
sal vulcano
It said bitch.
I was translating it.
It said bitch on the paper, and then this is how I make myself feel better about it.
joe rogan
How do they determine whether you're soft tissue?
That doesn't even make any sense.
sal vulcano
I don't know.
It just said I'm very susceptible to like like I guess whatever it is, ligament bruising, ligament like that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Well, that's just from years of not lifting weights.
That's all that is.
sal vulcano
You think that's just changed my blood so that that's Yeah?
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
sal vulcano
Well, I told the guy, and he's like, all right, that's good to know.
And then like my sixth session, I like like we were doing that thing where like I throw a medicine bowl down really hard and then like catch it and then swing it to him.
unidentified
And like on the swing to him, I was like, ah Yeah, you gotta I would never have you do stuff like that to start out with.
Yeah.
joe rogan
To start out, you should do body weight stuff and you should do it like moderately.
Like when I had a bunch of guys in here, we were doing comedians workouts on on Tuesdays, and one of the things that we always did was you do sometimes do it Tuesdays and Thursdays, but one of the things we always did in if if anybody's just starting out, and I'm like, do not go to failure, do not push yourself.
I don't I want you to get out of here and feel fine.
sal vulcano
Yeah, he did say that for to be fair.
He's not like killing me or anything.
But we worked up to that, but that that one, and then we just backed off of it.
joe rogan
But it's rotational stuff is difficult because you know you're putting all especially if you're not particularly coordinated and you're throwing a lot of torque, you know, one way or the other way when you're throwing a medicine ball, especially.
sal vulcano
I got tons of torque here.
joe rogan
Torque.
sal vulcano
A lot of I got so much torque, right?
joe rogan
Like what I don't understand, like what what would determine whether or not you're more susceptible to soft tissue injury.
The only thing that makes sense is that you haven't been working out.
Like, unless there's a biomarker.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is there?
sal vulcano
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Put let's put let's try perplexity out.
What is uh a biomarker that would indicate you're more susceptible to soft tissue injury?
sal vulcano
I have my results in a PDF somewhere.
I could go or I can call my doctor.
joe rogan
Well, we will find out.
We'll find out quick.
But it just to me it'll the only thing that would make sense is that you haven't been using that tissue.
That's the only thing that would make sense.
And there's probably things that they could show in terms of levels of like uh creatinine, I think that's how you say it, and maybe some other stuff that would indicate.
Here it goes.
What biomark would indicate one's susceptible to soft tissue injuries?
Um well supported biomarket that indicates susceptibility to soft tissue injuries, genetic variant.
Oh, and the elastin, ELN gene.
Interesting.
Which has been identified as a marker of ligament weakness and may signal increased risk of injury.
Whoa.
sal vulcano
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
So that's what you have.
sal vulcano
I'm a variant.
I'm a I'm a uh what do you call this X-Men?
I'm a mutant.
joe rogan
So this is the word I was looking for.
Classic serum protein markers like creatine kinase, uh lactate what's that word?
Diodragenase and myoglobin reflect muscle tissue breakdown and can indicate tissue vulnerability or prior damage, but they're used in predicting susceptibility as opposed to reaching in as opposed to recent injury is less robust.
Recent research has also shown that profiling early healing stages through mass spectrometically spectr Jesus Christ.
Spectrometry can in identify multiple proteins whose baseline alterations may point to greater risk for delayed or poor recovery.
Hmm.
So what is this guy got you doing?
Like what is like a typical workout for you?
sal vulcano
He switches it up every single every single time.
I mean I've been doing I've been seeing him about four weeks, three times a week.
joe rogan
How'd you find him?
sal vulcano
He actually lived in the building next to me.
joe rogan
Oh.
sal vulcano
And I ran into him.
This is weird stuff has been happening like this lately.
Like I'm like, I really gotta get a trainer.
And I was like walking in between the we had a little thing, like thing in the between the buildings, and he w like he just was there talking to someone and I he mentioned because I'm a physical trainer, I'm like, I need someone.
He's like I'll walk over, we'll do it.
So I do it like six thirty in the morning.
That's the thing that's a little harder too.
It's like I the only time I could do it is six thirty in the morning because I have like a you know, that's good though.
joe rogan
No, I know I started the right way.
No, you gotta win.
sal vulcano
It is good, and I it's been crazy like how much I feel like I've done now by like two two o'clock in the afternoon.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
But when that alarm goes off at like six, and I know he's waiting downstairs, and you know, but I'm just like now it's cause now it's winter, like back home.
I don't know about here, but like it's still completely pitch black outside, you know.
Like so just getting up in that darkness and being like my my wife's sleep and I'm putting on a fucking headband.
I sweat.
joe rogan
Like a tennis.
sal vulcano
I wore a hat at first, but I was like, I need to get no, I bought like I got like fancy with I bought like a Lululemon headband.
joe rogan
Oh nice.
sal vulcano
It's not it's like it I don't know.
Yeah.
I I look I look the part.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
I look stretched down out.
joe rogan
Listen, that's it's all the th looking the parts fun.
sal vulcano
No, no.
joe rogan
It's all part of just fucking doing it.
sal vulcano
It's been good.
It's I felt immediate it's immediately it changes my there's just that release.
It just feels great.
The first workout I felt like right afterwards.
I was like, this is amazing.
joe rogan
That's great.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
As long as you don't go too hard.
That's what I always tell everybody.
You can't you're not gonna be able to keep up.
If you you try a crazy pace right off the bat, you're not gonna be able to keep up with it, and you're gonna you're not gonna be able to recover, you're gonna get broken down, you gotta build it slow.
sal vulcano
I it used to take care of itself with like just sports and stuff.
Like, but I don't I don't do that anymore, you know.
Like I haven't done that in forever.
Are you a good athlete outside of like whatever training you do?
Like are you a s at sports?
Like, do you play any sports?
joe rogan
I own the only sport I played, I played baseball when I was a kid, and then once I started doing martial arts when I was in my early teens, I quit everything.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
And just focused on that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Oh shit.
joe rogan
Well, you for me, it's like I hated team sports because I'm kind of, you know, stubborn.
And like I either struck out or hit a home run, no matter what happened.
They're always like, they were always like, get on base, I'd be like, right.
unidentified
Like fucking, I'm going for the bleach, bitch.
joe rogan
And either I was a hero or everybody was mad at me.
And that's how I always played.
I didn't care.
Like I've I'm not gonna be a loser because Billy drops the ball in the in fucking left field.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
I don't care.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, and so then when I found wrestling, I was like, okay, this is better.
This is just me.
And then I got into martial arts and I was like, okay, this I like.
This is just like I can I either put in the work and get better, or I don't.
I either win or I lose.
There's no weird gray area.
The only gray area is decisions.
Decisions sucked.
Because there's a lot of bias judges, and you know, if you're in like someone's hometown and you've got to their ass.
sal vulcano
Really?
joe rogan
Terrible.
sal vulcano
That blatant?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Don't you remember Roy Jones Jr. in the Olympics?
sal vulcano
I don't know.
joe rogan
Roy Jones Jr. in the it was actually a beautiful moment that because Roy Jones Jr. in the Olympics, he boxed beautifully.
It was a perfect performance in the finals, and he lost.
There's no way he lost.
But it was in Korea and it was against the Korean national champion.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
And so the Korean national champion, he won the gold medal, and then came to visit Roy Jones recently and gave him the gold medal and said, You should have won that fight.
sal vulcano
Like recently recently?
joe rogan
Yeah, recently recently.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Wow.
But never?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
But when I was a kid and I watched that, I was so disheartened.
Because I'd seen that in Taekwondo a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I I'd seen that in kickboxing a lot.
And it's just it's embarrassing.
It's just when you see like blatant, obvious corruption, and that to me that decision is one of the worst examples of blatant corruption because Roy Jones just ran away with that fight.
The only thing you didn't do is knock that guy out, but he beat his ass.
sal vulcano
They don't feel repercussions when it's that obvious.
joe rogan
It happens in the UFC.
Yes, it happens in the UFC all the time.
There's bad decisions, and and you know, and it's it's infuriating.
It's infuriating to the athlete too, because particularly in the UFC, there's a win bonus.
So imagine if you beat a guy, like you really hit the gas in the second and third round, you fucking burn yourself out, you get the decision, you're like, I fucking did it, I did it.
You're your corner celebrating, we got it.
We got the last two rounds, all you, all you and then you hear the judges, and you're like, no fucking way.
They robbed me.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And it happens, it happens all the time.
So say if you're a young guy and you're starting out in the UFC and you have a contract, maybe it's like 15 and 15.
What that means is you get 15,000 to show and then 15,000 to win.
So if you lose, you only get that 15,000.
So those judges just stole $15,000 from you when you're struggling just to feed yourself, right?
And if you're getting $15,000 to fight, you have to pay for managers, you have to pay for your gym fees, you have to pay for nutrition, you have to pay for supplements, you know.
You have to maybe you're getting a massage once a week, you gotta pay for that.
It's like you don't have any money.
Zero money.
Yeah, you have to work a job.
There's no way you're doing that without a job.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
If you're lucky, you could teach.
You know, if you're lucky, you can maybe teach private like if you're jujitsu guy or a kickboxer, you could teach people during the day.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But other than that, man, you fucking you're barely getting by, and they just stole 15 grand from you.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
And happens all the time.
sal vulcano
And nothing comes with it, right?
There's appeals, appeals of bullshit.
joe rogan
We we get mad, you know, we talk about it in the commentary, and we you know, Daniel particularly gets upset because he was a professional fighter and he's seen it.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, but it's like they always say don't leave it in the judge's hands.
But that's nonsense because you these guys, you're not good enough to knock them out.
And if you try to knock them out, you're gonna get knocked out.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like you have to fight smart.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So like you always should fight the the best you can, but smart.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you don't do that, you you're not you shouldn't be a professional fighter.
It's because you're gonna get beat up when you shouldn't get beat up.
You're gonna get hurt when you shouldn't get hurt, you know.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I didn't I never did anything.
I took karate for like six months.
I never did.
It was team sports for me, but it was um I wasn't particularly at the I I actually when uh the first year our uh grammar school got a basketball team.
I was in uh seventh grade, and so uh if you were in eighth grade, you automatically made varsity, and then whatever remaining spots you have to try out.
I wasn't really good, right?
But I tried out and I was the last one cut.
So I was the very first person to be placed on the JV team.
joe rogan
Oh no.
sal vulcano
So the best of the JV, right?
I we we didn't have a coach.
unidentified
School did not have a basketball program.
sal vulcano
So my friend my friend's mom, who prior to this just owned a bakery.
She was like, I'll go.
I mean, she had no she had no experience outside of pastries.
And she got like a clipboard, like a whiteboard clipboard, and we met at the school gym and she started running drills with us.
And it was like whoever else wanted to be play can play.
So I yes, I got cut last, so I was the you know.
joe rogan
How'd you do?
sal vulcano
I want I was the MV.
So I I was MVP of the team for the season.
joe rogan
Nice.
sal vulcano
Went to the award ceremony.
No, let me finish talking.
joe rogan
Oh, sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, no.
You'll see.
sal vulcano
The team, first of all, so we weren't good, we knew we weren't good, and we were like, okay, watch this first team we're gonna play is gonna be like amazing.
So we show up for this first game, okay.
We get to the Catholic CYO center, it's like the Catholic youth organization gym.
We get there, every single kid on that team is just like Dominican or like the like we were all like scorny little white kids.
These kids were like six feet tall already.
I I'll never forget it.
I walked in and what the you do drills in the beginning before you start the game, you all take like going to line and take layups on your side, they're taking layups on their side.
And I remember I I locked eyes with some kid and he looked at me and he was dribbling the ball backwards through his legs as he walked backwards.
And he didn't break eye contact with me.
And then he like ran up and like he did a layup and like tapped the backboard or whatever.
We lost 44 nothing.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
44 nothing.
Okay.
So at the end of the game, you're supposed to like line up and you all like you know, touch hands or whatever.
And you go upstairs in this little rec room, and you get like some Fritos and a juice box or whatever, right?
So this the parents were there, and the parents of this team were engaged.
I mean, they they were I'm a shutout in basketball is pretty tough.
And the parents were going nuts.
And so at the end, when the buzzer sounded, like the parents were chanting 44 zip zip, 44 zip, and they were chanting it like loud, right?
And then when we got online, the kids started chanting, the parents started chanting.
The parents ran onto the court, and I just literally like, and we're shaking hands, they're all chanting 44 zip.
We go all together up the stairs to get the juice box on.
The parents are screaming it up the hallway, 44, right in our face, like 44 zip zip.
I mean, literally, it was like the most humiliating experience.
Next game, uh, we played Blessed Sacrament.
We lost 56-3.
I had the three points.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
sal vulcano
Two points and a foul.
Uh a bucket and a foul, right?
And then we proceeded to go 0-14 on the year.
The last the last game of the season at halftime.
I don't know what happened.
We looked up and we were winning.
It was the first time we ever had a lead.
It was the last game of the year as halftime.
And someone was like, holy shit, we're fucking winning.
And we looked up and it was like 1816 or something, and we lost.
So they proceed to have the awards dinner.
Well, you know, everyone like it was all the teams.
It's like it's a sports dinner.
So like they're doing all the awards for varsity JV across all the platforms, and they insisted on doing it.
So I was the MV.
I was the MVP of the team.
joe rogan
Because you scored the only three points.
sal vulcano
I had 16 points on the season.
14 games, 16 points.
I had to get up in front of everyone at the buffet and ho and take the trophy that said Salvo Cano MVP JV, you know, 1990, whatever it was.
And I would just was like, Thank you.
You know, like we were owing four.
I had 16 fucking points.
I have that, I have that trophy right now in my den on my mantle.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Yeah, that's hilarious.
sal vulcano
16 points on the season.
joe rogan
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Boy, that'll teach you a sense of humor.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, right away I would just say 44 zip zip in your face by grown-ups.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Zip.
unidentified
Jesus.
sal vulcano
I mean, like, going like that.
joe rogan
What kind of sportsmanship is that?
sal vulcano
There was none there that day.
There was none there that day.
joe rogan
There's something to be said for that.
There's something to be said for that.
sal vulcano
We had no business being out of that.
I can only imagine what it looked like.
joe rogan
Like if they if they want their kids to be pros, you know.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they want a the kids to really dominate, you gotta really encourage the shit out of them.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know.
And for a lot of people.
Look, if you've got a kid that's six feet tall already, and you know, he's fucking 14 and he's really good already at basketball, you're like, we might get rich.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, this is like a shot.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it's true.
Fuck yeah, it's a giant shot.
joe rogan
I mean, if a kid can make it, yeah.
In professional sports.
Oh my god.
You know, it's your kid, and it made me if you're a lower income people, and you know you have a kid and you your family's really into sports.
sal vulcano
I hope it's a way out.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
I mean, it's like one of the rare things.
sal vulcano
It's a lot of pressure on those kids.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I could imagine.
sal vulcano
We didn't have uniforms, our team.
Every other uniforms, no, we wore a gym uniform, so that's hilarious.
Which was like, you know, like the short shorts and like just the t-shirt and stuff.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
sal vulcano
And me, I was like such a I I tucked mine in, my socks are up to my knees, that kind of thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have to pitch it.
sal vulcano
It's a my little giants or whatever.
There's no win at the end, though.
It doesn't have to be failed miserably.
joe rogan
You don't have to win.
sal vulcano
Now how hard it was to accept that trophy.
It's odd.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
But now it's like great.
It's like I have the trophy and I like I should I I I never did it on stage.
I should maybe work that in the city.
joe rogan
It's a good setup for being a comedian.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that kind of like humility.
It's like it humbles you.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good setup.
Like you gotta realize.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're not all created equal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a crock of shit.
sal vulcano
I'm funnier than any one of those kids, I'll tell you that one.
joe rogan
There you go.
But like the idea that everyone's created equal physically is that's a hilarious idea.
You haven't met any extreme athletes.
There's people out there that are just they're different than all of us.
Just it's not fair.
That's just how the universe works.
Some people's great grandparents were fucking Vikings.
Like for real Vikings.
sal vulcano
I've been I've been trying to like figure out what else to do.
Like I just I need some type of outlet because it's like I I haven't been doing it.
joe rogan
Why don't you take up a sport?
sal vulcano
Well, so I have so another thing that happened to me, this was the weirdest thing ever.
I was like, just popped into my head.
I don't know why.
I was like, I think I want to learn how to sail.
What I think I might have meant pro maybe is like I want to learn how to drive a boat.
But like I was like, I think I want to learn how to sail.
And so I was telling this to my wife, and then like just same thing as the trainer, like uh like a few days later, it was like four days later.
I was at music class with my daughter, and one of the dads was there with his daughter, and I was inviting him to go somewhere, like a group activity, and he was like, I'd love to, but I can't.
I teach sailing that day.
unidentified
Whoa.
sal vulcano
And I was like, Are you serious?
joe rogan
And you were already thinking about it.
sal vulcano
Four days ago I said to my wife, I want to learn how to sail.
He goes, Let's go.
joe rogan
Do you think that you have the ability to manifest things like that in your life?
Do you ever wonder?
sal vulcano
I don't think.
I don't I don't think.
joe rogan
There are people that believe that.
There are people that believe that the way your consciousness interacts with the universe is what makes things happen.
Fucking people don't happen exactly as randomly as we want to believe that they do.
But there are things that you do where you put energy out there.
I'd like to put it in and you make there's a lot of examples of it.
It's a weird one to believe in.
Because I feel like it's an element to life.
And the problem is people are always looking for it to be the element, like the thing.
Like, do you remember that movie The Secret?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
So during that time, a lot of people unfortunately got convinced that they could wish their life into existence.
Yeah, they get like a board and a vision board and all that stuff.
I think that is a part of things.
That that putting something into your head is a part of things.
But I don't I don't think it's the whole thing.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think if you think of it as the primary thing instead of thinking of it as the whole like the whole thing is all these different pieces.
Like if you want to get healthy, you have to eat well, you have to take vitamins, you have to exercise, you have to sleep, you have to drink plenty of water, you have to cut out all the bad stuff, like alcohol and that.
So there's a lot of elements.
It's not just work out.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
There's a lot of elements.
And I think that's the thing with like manifesting stuff.
I don't think it's entirely bullshit.
I think there's something to it.
sal vulcano
I mean, look, you you start, you know, you start lining all your ducks in a row, eventually, you know, something's gonna be cohesive.
But but the thing of like me running into a guy.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that that's like what's that?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
The sailing and the fitness training.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like right when you're putting it out there, I there's a lot of people that believe this, and that believe that what we think of as physical reality, just being static and locked down.
It's not really the case.
And that there's a strange dance between consciousness and physical reality that we're not totally aware of.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that we don't really have the senses to like be able to measure it, to to to somehow or another quantify it and put it on a scale.
Like what percentage of how your life Goes depends on how you what kind of energy you put out there.
sal vulcano
Energy's big energy's big.
joe rogan
That's why I'm always very particular about who I hang out with.
Because people think it's no big deal to hang out with idiots.
But the problem is you're absorbing their energy.
And instead of hanging out with really cool people and you absorb their energy, and everybody like gets out of there feeling fucking great.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a good time.
What a good time.
sal vulcano
They just suck the energy.
joe rogan
They suck it and they make it about them and they get negative and they're fucking passive aggressive and weird or whatever it is.
It's like I don't want to deal with them anymore, man.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
You eventually shed those people home.
joe rogan
You should because they are energy.
It's like you you can I and I think how you feel personally, like how your life is going has a giant effect on how your life can go because you're thinking in a positive way.
You know, like you're you're you're in the right groove, you're in the right vibration.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to get real hippie, you want to get all crystally.
But there's something to it.
It's not everything.
It's not the whole thing.
I don't think it should be dismissed.
Because I think there's a reality to it.
Because I just there's too many times.
Too many times.
Like, how many times have you ever run into a fucking trainer?
And the guy's telling you a train.
Fucking never, right?
sal vulcano
Someone blew me away.
joe rogan
How many times do you ever run into someone who teaches it?
sal vulcano
And I took it.
I went sailing the other day.
Took my first one in New York Harbor, man.
unidentified
Wow.
sal vulcano
It was crazy.
joe rogan
My parents lived on a sailboat for like two years.
Might have been more.
Might have been a little more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They just started they before you were born?
No, no, no.
No.
When I was already a grown man.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Like right when I started getting on TV and I started making some loot.
Um, I helped them get this sailboat, and they got a sailboat, and they just live.
sal vulcano
They already sailed.
joe rogan
No, no, they learned how to sail and did it.
sal vulcano
Whoa, because it's not easy, by the way.
joe rogan
Gangster move.
Yeah, and they were like living down like in the Bahamas and shit.
That's living off of a sailboat for a few years.
sal vulcano
What kind of parents you got?
Uh my parents, this is a foreign idea to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just took they took this chance.
They just decided like to let's see.
sal vulcano
But they they lived on it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, with a cat too, with our cat that we had when we were kids.
The cat was on the boat with them.
sal vulcano
This is fascinating.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were uh they took well, they're still alive.
I shouldn't say they were, they are.
They they you know, they they like to live life.
sal vulcano
And so they went to the body.
joe rogan
I did, yeah.
Yeah, I visited them on the boat.
Yeah, it was fun.
Uh I didn't visit them in the Bahamas.
I visited them when they had it out here.
Oh, they had it in America.
But uh it was uh interesting because like to be able to do that, that's a crazy scan.
And they had to weather some storms.
Like they had to get docked up during a storm.
My stepdad had to go out to someone else's boat because it wasn't tied down, and he had to tie this dude's boat down in the middle of a fucking storm.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's like life.
Life risking shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
They did it for a couple years.
unidentified
My mom was like, What was the life before that?
sal vulcano
Like, was there just a standard?
joe rogan
No, yeah, he's an architect, and uh, you know.
sal vulcano
Because that is a bold choice.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a crazy choice.
sal vulcano
Not even to just learn because it's like I'm gonna live on this sailboat, I'm gonna go live in a tropical environment, I'm gonna live, I'm gonna learn how to sail.
joe rogan
I think they just you know, people don't like work, man.
Like a regular job, like work sucks.
And if you and you get to a certain point in your life when your kids have left the house and you're like, this is life.
This isn't like preparing for something.
Yeah, this is life.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
I'm not preparing for life right now, so I don't want to do this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I don't like doing this.
Let's just do something else while we can.
sal vulcano
Yeah, because it was it and like when you're out on a boat, it's that's what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is.
It's like being in the mountains, like or you know, being in nature.
When you're in nature, you go to the woods, like, okay, this is just this is the only thing that matters.
Like this existence.
sal vulcano
I like that because I I didn't grow up with that, and that's not common for me, and it's like the one thing that really resonates with me as far as like shutting my brain off and things like that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, the oceans.
There's a reason why all those rich folks live like right on the ocean.
They're not stupid.
Yeah.
I rented a house once in in Malibu.
We were getting our kitchen redone in California, and uh we we couldn't stay in the house, and so um for like four months we rented a house and we rented this house like on the water, and uh you wake up and you sit in the patio and it's these sliding glass doors, and you're literally above right above the ocean.
So you see nothing but this little little balcony and then water, and you're like, oh I get it.
Yeah, I wonder why these people live right next to each other in a 20 million dollar house.
Like I was like, who the fuck wants to buy a house with no yard?
You're jammed up next to your neighbors.
That's stupid.
And then I got there one morning drinking coffee, sitting there by myself, smoking a joint.
I'm like, okay.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it's like biological.
It's like you can't get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I go, oh yeah, I get it.
I see what you guys are doing.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, this is better.
This is like you're watching a show and a work of art at the same time while you're you're taking in sunshine and fresh clean air from the ocean.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But here's here's the fucker.
The difference between the water in the day and the water in the night is huge.
The water in the day is beautiful.
It's blue, and you see dolphins and you see seagulls everywhere.
It's incredible.
It's it's food for the soul.
unidentified
At night, it's a black monster.
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
At night, when you realize, especially me, because you know, I'm probably a little high at the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I'm looking out at that water.
sal vulcano
Abyss.
joe rogan
And I'm like, there is billions and trillions of gallons of water out there, and no one can control it.
And all it takes is the earth just having this one little one little shift of the tectonic plates.
unidentified
And oh fucking wave is coming.
joe rogan
And you're right on the edge.
How and I sleep like a log.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, like it's Yeah, if a tsunami's coming, you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this one swept away.
I this is the outer banks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this ain't even a tsunami.
This is just a house game.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's that's tough, man.
joe rogan
That's there's a video of this guy walking his dog in Russia.
And it's real recent.
And there was uh a tsunami that there was a giant warning.
They knew it was gonna happen because there was a huge earthquake off the coast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so they knew it was coming.
So this guy is way up on this cliff side.
Watch this.
Look how high he is.
See how high he is?
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
That water is he?
Oh, he's in Russia.
He's say he that's him and taking the video.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's he's taking his video and he's with his dog.
It's kind of cool when you hear his voice too.
It's like, Well, so look, look how high he was, right?
And look at this water coming in.
Oh, dude, it gets all the way over the top.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Look at the dog.
The dog's almost died.
Dog doesn't know it almost died.
This silly dog is just sitting there.
It keeps going.
Bro, this is banana.
sal vulcano
That's that's horrifying.
joe rogan
Look how high it gets.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's now at this point in time, he's realizing like, oh shit, look, it gets over the top.
It crests over the top of the fucking hill.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that's like a hundred feet.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I it's that's insane.
Yeah, you've seen the perfect sword.
joe rogan
But that's what happens at night.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you're sitting there at night, you can't sleep.
Because you're like, what am I doing?
Why would I sleep here?
This is so stupid.
sal vulcano
It's it's weird how it flips like that.
joe rogan
Just all you have to do is just be real.
Like in the day, you're not real.
It's say it's like, oh, the sun has given me vitamin D. It's like at night, it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
This is just water.
An immense amount of water that no one is in control of.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get out of here.
I was like, scuba.
No.
sal vulcano
No?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, no.
That's their world.
That's their world, dude.
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sal vulcano
I I I did it on a on a on a trip in uh the Cayman Islands.
And uh I always wanted to do it, so I was psyched to do it.
And I did one time prior to that in a pool, so I was like, all right, I kind of gonna whatever.
And I almost couldn't go through with it because like the the um the initial descent, they have to put weights on you.
unidentified
Oh boy.
sal vulcano
And it just goes against everything your body feels your body's like no no no no no and they say like you know, try to breathe measured.
If you breathe a lot, you run out of air faster.
joe rogan
Oh fun.
sal vulcano
Right?
So it's like yeah, just just hearing the fact, oh, you run out of air.
joe rogan
Is the tank the the meter based on how much air is in or how much time or like how much you've been breathing?
Like could you fuck up and and breathe too much?
sal vulcano
Yes.
joe rogan
And it wouldn't say E yet.
sal vulcano
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I mean I had the little dial so it'll show you.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and I was with someone.
I was like, you know, but still, by the way, it doesn't matter, by the way.
So it's like I couldn't get down.
I'm claustrophobic, and so I think that played into it, but like you have to start it just you have to overcome the sensation that you're maybe drowning or being suffocated.
Like, you know, you like you go down and the weights start to pull you down and you adjust to breathing through here, but then that's it.
Like, and if you want to like talk, or it's like you don't you don't feel comfortable and you just want out, this you know, you can't just get out.
And once you go down 30 feet or so, you have to like you know, you can't just f shoot up either.
You have to go up like slowly, obviously.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
I mean, it's not 30 feet as the bends, but like you know, that whole thing.
And so I think it's a lot of people.
No, I I only went 30 feet.
I think that's like very simple stuff.
But I still don't think you need real shoot up.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's yeah, it's deeper than a little bit.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
But um but Which is crazy.
joe rogan
You get too much nitrogen in your blood and you're fucked.
sal vulcano
It's fucked up, right?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
And I got it.
joe rogan
That's their world, bro.
That's not your world.
That's their world.
sal vulcano
Well, it was 30 feet down, it was still kind of my world.
joe rogan
That's far.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's far.
unidentified
Yeah, but I could have breath.
sal vulcano
I can still see our world, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
But if you're out of breath and you gotta get to that 30 feet and you're you're exhausted and out of breath, that's fucking terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Well, it was me and my friend, and that was it.
It was an instructor.
No one else can show up.
It was his birthday, I was taking them for his birthday, right?
So they like tell you some things of like, all right, I'm gonna go down there with you and like telling you signals and stuff.
You know, like if I do this or if I do, you know, whatever the signals were.
And I'm like, all right, I'm trying to like remember these goddamn signals, especially like if I need to communicate something.
joe rogan
Yeah, there should be a test.
sal vulcano
Yeah, there wasn't.
So we go down, I finally overcome it, and I get down there.
And like once I got down there and calmed down, I had moments where I pa was a little panicky again, but like in the moments where I was calm, I was like, all right, I'm going slow, I'm breathing slow, this is cool.
And you just kind of like start exploring, and there were these big, like, I guess Oscar, big these big fish, like the size like literally the size of almost my body, like five or six of them together just there.
But they weren't like, you know, they couldn't harm you, but like just the sheer size of them was like I'll stay away from them.
But then this instructor starts swimming forward, and then my friend is behind her and I'm behind him.
And at one point, like I, you know, I'm not good with the paddles.
No, the uh flippers?
unidentified
Flippers.
sal vulcano
Is that fli flippers?
Like I don't I I don't know.
Some people are just good with them, but like it's kind of like it's it's weird.
It's unnatural and unnatural feeling.
So I'm not good with them, and I got this fucking tank on me, and you know, everything's tight, you know, and it's like and I'm trying to use the flip prints, and I'm not really catching, like I'm kinda falling behind a little bit, I'm not really doing it great, and then I start to try to do it faster, but then that like spins me a little bit.
So now I'm spinning down there and I'm trying to kick out of it, and I like want to communicate to the instructor, and she's in front of my friend swimming forward.
And my friends, I'm looking at his ass.
I'm like, I'm just like fucking like I'm just like waving my hands like that seems help.
joe rogan
Wildly irresponsible.
sal vulcano
Yeah, like she I don't think she should have led like that.
And what she was I would say she was probably 20 feet or ahead of me swimming forward.
And so I at that one point.
I was like, this is not like this is this is crazy.
She doesn't I can't get help if I need help right now.
joe rogan
And then you're panicking.
sal vulcano
I I did.
I panicked.
I started breathing heavy.
unidentified
Of course.
sal vulcano
And I had to like literally just control you know, bring myself back down.
joe rogan
Let me Ask you this.
Um they don't give you any like tests to make sure that you're good at scuba diving?
sal vulcano
Yeah, we we went in the water first.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
Like in the shallow area.
And like we did like some exercises and drills or whatever, and they explained the signs.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
sal vulcano
Did you what's gonna happen?
joe rogan
Did you tell her you're claustrophobic?
sal vulcano
I don't I don't think I did.
joe rogan
When you say you're claustrophobic, like are you self-diagnosed, or did you go to a mental hospital?
sal vulcano
Self.
joe rogan
You went crazy.
But if how did you what do you where do you get that from?
sal vulcano
Like where do where do where do I think or why I think I have astrophobic what makes you uh because I've been in scenarios in confined small spaces where I couldn't get out or I didn't have a lot of mobility and I literally had a panic, like we have a panic attack.
Like I stuck my heart starts beating out my chest.
I feel like I can't breathe.
joe rogan
So it's like a an anxiety of being confined to a small space.
sal vulcano
Yeah, like when I was um uh I did an MRI.
joe rogan
Oh.
sal vulcano
That was like I That's very claustrophobic.
Started beating out of my chest and there was one time on a plane a long time ago.
I don't like to fly either.
So that combined with like I was in a row, like a really tight row, like crammed in.
And I just I don't know, I just it's it's happened uh a few times in my life where in the like the the the like the back row of like a a like a a van where like it was closed in like and I couldn't j uh anywhere I can't get right out.
And one time I was in a stretcher and I um they like lock you like they strap you in.
That I can't take that.
I can't take it.
joe rogan
What happened to you?
sal vulcano
I was in a car accident.
Yeah, I was fine.
I was okay.
joe rogan
But they just precautionary put you in his judge.
sal vulcano
I was I was to tell you the truth, I saw I was dri I was driving and a guy ran a red uh stop sign and like plowed fast and plowed into me.
I was a teenager, and my best friend was driving behind me, so he watched it happen.
So he called right away.
But I I guess I kinda like I don't remember.
I got hit and then I remember um my girlfriend at the time crying and I I remember talking to her, but I have no vision.
I just hear the words.
And I remember like I was hugging her and I could feel her tears, and then the next thing I remember in my mind was that I I was in a stretcher on the floor and I woke up and like the ambulance was there and everything was there.
That's the next thing I remember.
But I'm telling this guy I'm in this fucking thing, and he has me on the floor behind the ambulance, and I'm right by the exhaust pipe.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
I'm just laying on the and the things like just right by the I'm like, can somebody fucking move me from away from the exhaust pipe?
That's hilarious.
unidentified
You know?
sal vulcano
But uh I couldn't when I'm c when I'm held down like that and confined and I can't move, it's like I don't know, I just feel like I can't breathe.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
I it's I start to freak out.
joe rogan
My mom has it, so I don't know if it's like I don't know if it's I just wonder what the difference between that and general anxiety is.
Because if you have general anxiety, I would imagine you would get claustrophobic too.
sal vulcano
So maybe that's what it is.
Well, I'm just telling you what I feel in confined spaces.
joe rogan
Oh, the reason why I'm asking is because I think we have excuse me.
I think we have gym genetic memory of bad stuff.
I think that's why some people are allergic or or are terrified of snakes.
Some people tear like there's a thing, a real thing, a phidiophobia or arachnophobia.
See spider some people like they go into a hot panic.
It's different than anything else.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
And I think there's something like in the genes from you know, millions of years of evolution where someone down the line died or almost died because of one of these fucking spiders or one of these snakes, or you saw someone get killed by a snake and you see them and you fucking lock up.
sal vulcano
How do you explain the phobia of clowns?
unidentified
Well, I mean John Wayne Gacy.
Yeah.
There's there's a bunch of somewhere along the line You can't see their real face.
joe rogan
Yeah it's scary.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's scary to not be able to see someone's real face.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which was like one of the most fucked up things we did to kids during the pandemic is make everybody wear masks.
Because kids are in school and they're not getting facial expressions.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
They're not getting them from teachers, they're not getting them from their classmates.
It's weird.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's weird.
That's not good for human development.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that was the norm.
joe rogan
There's something, especially as kids, we don't like if we can't figure your face out.
I can't see your whole face.
You're wearing paint, so I'm not getting the right signals.
You got a rubber nose on, you got weird fucking crazy hair.
I'm like, I don't know if you're cool or not cool.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
If you're a regular guy, and I could tell if you're creepy.
I can tell like this guy's got weird energy.
Let's get out of here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But a clown's like, hello, boys and girls.
You're allowed to act like in this weird silly way.
Full on demonic psychopath that you could hide as a clown.
And you can hide with that language.
That clown language.
Hi, boys and girls, would you like to see a trick?
Meanwhile, you're thinking about cutting that kid up in your basement.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And that those are real human beings.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Do you remember when clowns like for a minute were like in the news everywhere because there was like a trend that clowns were terrorizing towns?
It was like five years, like maybe meh less than ten years ago.
joe rogan
No.
sal vulcano
Oh my god.
So where I'm from in Staten Island, we had the Staten Island clown.
joe rogan
Oh no.
sal vulcano
And this there was a clown just showing up in public spaces and events just watching people and then like recessing like back into the night and it would make appearances and started making the papers.
joe rogan
I do remember that.
sal vulcano
Oh, it's wild.
joe rogan
Was it around the time that it came out though?
sal vulcano
I don't think it was it.
Do you but but the book Maybe it was terrifier?
joe rogan
Oh, that late.
Yeah, it was.
What year was this?
sal vulcano
I was I think it was like I would say I would put it out ten years.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
It was 2016.
sal vulcano
Okay.
But then other places, like other people started doing it.
And then like and then it was like clowns or that was kind of fun, actually though.
joe rogan
I do remember that.
sal vulcano
I I like that.
I like that.
I like the idea that there might be a clown that would go out one night for like the guy.
Sam or something like that.
People like, if you're going out tonight, look out for the clowns.
joe rogan
It is weird that like there's always been throughout history this Jack the Ripper.
There's always been these people.
In Austin, they say there's a new strangles.
sal vulcano
They don't know who Jack the Ripper is, right?
joe rogan
I feel like there's some new but there's always like a story.
New evidence reveals the true identity of Jack the Ripper.
You never know what's just clickbait bullshit, and you click on it some nonsense website that tells you they found Jack the Ripper.
So you're not gonna get me every time.
sal vulcano
I just clicked on something that said that uh Christian Bale was Banksy.
joe rogan
Nah.
sal vulcano
I s there was an article.
joe rogan
Well he's an amazing actor.
That guy can do anything.
unidentified
It can't be it's bullshit, but I but I was it would be fun if it was.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's an interesting dude.
You know, he drives like a 1983 Toyota Tundra or a 93.
sal vulcano
Really?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Not even a tundra, a Tacoma.
He's a weird dude.
Just like this is all I need.
I drive this.
He's got a regular Toyota pickup truck.
I shouldn't have like doxxed him.
unidentified
Now people are gonna be looking at it.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at him.
sal vulcano
Dude, he's not gonna find it.
joe rogan
He's got a tundra.
I mean this thing was April Fool's.
What's that?
jamie vernon
Banksy thing was April Fool's.
sal vulcano
Oh, was it?
joe rogan
The Banksy thing was.
sal vulcano
Someone sent me a link.
I didn't even know.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be shocked if it was, though.
You know what I'm saying?
Like as good as that guy is, he could kind of do whatever he wants.
You know, when you get to like that level of actor, those are like weird, exceptional humans.
They don't come along that often.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, the Gary Oldman's the Daniel Day Lewis's, there's these people that like become another person.
Yeah.
Those weirdos, they could do whatever they want.
If he wanted to be Banksy, I would go, okay.
Yeah, it's not like Banksy's making mona leases everywhere.
sal vulcano
Yeah, man.
Yeah, they're playing with different rules.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I think.
But I was I remember being I was disappointed when I found out it was him.
Because like, you know, it's like, ah, I don't know.
I want it to be mysterious.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing that nobody knows who Banksy is.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it it's really weird, actually.
sal vulcano
Did you see that uh doc that oh exit through the gift shop?
joe rogan
I didn't.
sal vulcano
It's pretty interesting.
It's it's like it it follows other artists.
His name's like Mr. He has a moniker that he goes by, and like people thought that he was Banksy.
And so like it spends the whole thing like following him, but it turns out he's not.
But it was it was a fun watch, but it was like uh it's it's just wild to me that after all this time uh in the age we're living in now, nothing has gotten like everyone like how many people know who he is?
Like, you know, how close to the vest is his identity?
joe rogan
Well, he would have to be a truly brilliant person to keep it together.
That would be likely.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
But even then, you know, like fuck it, I'm coming out with this.
You guys are assholes.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah, right.
joe rogan
You know, like one guy in the band that decides to leave.
sal vulcano
It's gotta come out.
joe rogan
Or his girlfriend, you should go to the press.
You could get a lot of money if you go to the press.
It's gonna come out eventually.
Just come out.
unidentified
Listen, sell your story before they don't want to buy your story.
We need the money.
joe rogan
Like, oh, should I do this?
sal vulcano
I didn't know you did voices.
joe rogan
I did that one.
sal vulcano
That's a good one.
That was pretty good.
If I close my eyes, that's good.
joe rogan
Sell it.
unidentified
Sell it.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
No, I don't do that.
joe rogan
Mark, it's sixty-five thousand dollars.
Do you have sixty-five thousand dollars?
You don't.
But it's gonna be worth nothing.
The next thing you know, the band's breaking up.
sal vulcano
That's funny, dude.
joe rogan
That always happens.
sal vulcano
I w I went to um I went to I was invited to this brunch in England.
And it was uh it was the guy um man, I don't he was a descendant of uh uh uh who's the who's the uh the the uh the guy where it's like oh um like he what you when you want to fuck when you when you're when you're like when you're thinking about your mom was that guy the the the the the what he's talking about yeah I know I know I'm literally having a stroke I have no idea what you're saying Jamie do you know what he's saying I was he needed a couple more
words he wasn't getting to it yeah when you think of your mom that guy who's yeah the guy it's like what's it for freud oh okay yeah so he's i think he's a descendant you're talking about like a baseball player freud is like his i think it's like his like great great grandfather or something and then he also married into like it's the biggest uh mark like publication uh in in the biggest like media company conglomerate in in overseas whatever
i forget his name he's super rich famous family that married into another super rich famous family right freud family and then like whoever this is anyway i'm at this person's house okay long story short i don't remember how i got right there i think his where is it it's um it was somewhere in outside of london and it it was unassuming because we walked through row houses through an alley to get to their property and uh i think the daughter of this i'm i
feel i'm bad that I I'm forgetting their name because they were gracious hosts and but I did fan the daughter I think was a fan of ours or something and somehow got in touch and we got invited there.
It was a weird wild thing.
So I I I find myself at this place I didn't I didn't know anyone and I get there and like it was a weird collection of people there.
Apparently this guy hosts a brunch forever he's like known for it and he has a lot of friends and a lot of celebrity friends and so there was celebrities and stuff there at this brunch.
It was really cool walk in there was all food trucks and stuff and you get into their house and uh I at the time Woody Harrelson was filming a movie in London and it was crazy.
It was a one it was a live movie in one shot they tr they rehearsed for this movie for months and months and months and then a live stream into theaters and he acted live and the entire thing was one shot it was like 90 minutes long.
Whoa yeah I don't I can't believe it didn't get more press just from the nature of that.
joe rogan
That's insane.
sal vulcano
But um so he was out there for that and so he was at this brunch and I think uh Owen Wilson um was at was also at this brunch how did I forget about this did you do do you recall it now?
joe rogan
I'm kind of recalling hearing about it now.
Yeah it wasn't any love.
sal vulcano
No but I I went and saw it and it was on it was really fucking cool.
Um so there's I mean there's a lot of different people there Liv Tyler like it just the the guys from Oasis there was just a collection of people there and I found myself they were they had a like a little bond like a escape uh not escape room uh what do you call it safe room and the safe room was just converted it had a ping pong table in I went downstairs I walk into the safe room and Woody Harrelson and I went sort of playing ping pong down there.
And I just it was them two a cat and me and I just watched them play ping I don't know them.
But wait what I'm getting to this oh so anyway they had Banksys like they had they had a they had a fucking uh man you know I think I need to take a supplement for my I needed to get some ginkgo below me who's who's the artist with like a Picasso they had a Picasso I'm like who's the guy who puts like an eye over here the guy with no ear.
No that's Van Gogh yes they had Banks he's like just in the house like up like that.
Like wow that's probably I mean I'm you know that's a million dollars.
joe rogan
Yeah probably probably at least I don't know I don't I don't know how much they are but I was like oh wow that's like your own personal Banksy I went over an agent's house once in uh Aspen and this is like a long time ago and uh we were there for they used to have the Aspen Comedy Festival and I was over his house and and I was like oh did his kid make this there's like this painting on the wall and they're like, no, that's uh Chris Bob.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I go, he paid for that?
It looked like tissue.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
This is I'm just saying this to another agent.
So it's me and this other agent just shooting the shit over a couple of cocktails.
We're laughing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I'm like, for real?
And he goes, Yeah, that's worth like $35,000.
Like, there's no way that is like a kid did that.
It was like pieces of tissue paper glued with some paint splattered on it.
sal vulcano
It's nuts.
joe rogan
I was like, what is this?
Do you know the origins of that stuff?
They think it was a CIA psy-op.
sal vulcano
For what?
joe rogan
Modern art like that.
sal vulcano
Come on.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
There's some evidence that points to the CIA.
sal vulcano
Like when they just nail a banana to the wall or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little bit of that, but a little bit of like Jackson Pollock.
sal vulcano
So yeah, I was just splattered.
I was gonna bring up Pollock because Stern did that.
Do you ever see when Howard did that?
He he he was like, I can I can make a Jackson Pollock and you won't know the difference.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
sal vulcano
And he did it on a sh like did uh he did it and he put it next to each other and nobody knew the difference.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what they think is we couldn't compete during the Cold War with the classical artists of Russia.
Like there's some incredible painters in Russia at the time, and I'm sure there are now.
But we didn't have uh a similar level.
We didn't have a Da Vinci over here.
We didn't we didn't have someone who could do what they were doing.
And so the CIA came up with a plot to popularize nonsense art and make it like really huge and make all these investors want to spend money buying like nonsense art.
And apparently there's uh I never would have considered that until I paid attention to all the other shit that they've done over the last, you know, X amount of decades.
And I was like, I think that's true.
Because it doesn't make sense to me that that stuff would just emerge and all of a sudden be worth millions of dollars.
And someone wouldn't figure out exactly what Howard Stern figured out that I can make this on my own.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you could just say it's a Pollock.
This is Jackson Pollock, and no one would know.
Like, what are we talking about then?
We're talking about something that anybody can do.
If you look at the Mona Lisa, you're like, well, I can't do that.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you you look at, you know, there's a million paintings.
You look at it, like, especially today.
There's something about the level that people are at today where they're making like photograph realistic paintings.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Photo realistic paintings.
Like that are above and beyond anything's ever emo anyone's ever accomplished in the history of art.
But because it looks so realistic, people don't even seem to care.
Modern art was the CIA weapon.
Spy agency used unwitting artists such as Pollack and De Koonig in a cultural cold war.
Isn't that wild?
So scroll up to the thing.
This is from uh the independent.
Oh, you have to support.
Oh, okay.
Um so the connections are probable.
There's a period in the 1950s and nineteen sixties when the great majority of Americans disliked or even despised modern art.
President Truman summered up summed up the popular view when he said, if that's art, then I'm a hetenthot.
I don't know what that means.
sal vulcano
Hot and tot.
joe rogan
Hot and tot?
What's a hot and talk?
sal vulcano
I don't know, but I'll tell you right now, I'm starting to use that word.
joe rogan
Hot and tot.
Jamie, Google that word.
What's what is that word?
unidentified
Never heard.
sal vulcano
Sounds like a candy.
joe rogan
Like a mic and I think it's a hot and tot.
T.O.T. What's a hot and tot?
Uh outdated and offensive term historically used by Europeans to refer to I don't know how to say that word, K-H-O-E-K-H-O-E, an indigenous group of nomadic pastoralists from South Africa.
Jesus Christ.
The president is using that.
You want to talk about the world being different?
The president was using a slur.
sal vulcano
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
As for the artists themselves, many were ex-communists and barely acceptable in the America of the McCarthyite era, and certainly not the sort of people normally likely to receive US government backing.
So why the CIA support them?
Because in the propaganda war with Soviet Union, this new artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity, the intellectual freedom, and the cultural power of the US Russian art.
Oh, of the US, rather.
Russian art strapped into the communist ideal ideological straight jacket, could not compete.
Hilarious.
So because their artists were better, we decided to come up with some nonsense art and make people think that was the shit.
And they and it it worked.
It worked.
sal vulcano
But are we saying that they found those artists and prop them up?
joe rogan
No, the the artists are not.
No, no, the artists already existed, but the CIA propped them up and pushed them out as being amazing.
And they did it in an effective way.
And look, if they're all these like super duper rich people are involved or closely connected to the CIA, all they would have to do is have art exhibits at their house and tell everybody how amazing this guy is.
Yeah and how mind blowing this piece is and they'll all agree.
sal vulcano
That's how art works in a general sense now anyway.
It's like there are people at the top that dictate a lot of this stuff.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's well for sure.
But there's also just talent.
You know someone's really good like all they have to do have is an Instagram page if they're really talented.
sal vulcano
Oh yeah yeah but I'm saying the art world and the and like the the I art as a commodity and that kind of stuff like you know like the bottom can fall out at any time of that just like anything else.
joe rogan
It's like I guess but people always want art.
But the thing is like what I'm getting at is nobody wanted that art.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden it became worth millions.
And it became worth millions because of the CIA.
sal vulcano
Yeah that's wild.
joe rogan
They mind fuck the American people into believing that terrible art is really good.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
joe rogan
Wild.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
No I because I just read an article recently about like how um art as investment like there's been like a huge change where a lot of artists that were being pushed and were really hot by galleries and this and that like just years ago and selling an X amount like their their stuff's not worth anything right now.
joe rogan
Wow.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow I wonder why well when the economy starts going I would imagine that people stop buying art right like luxury items shit you don't need art.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
It wasn't I forget but it wasn't it wasn't economy based.
It was like it was like the the trend like the you know the trend within that that world or whatever.
It's like I it's always weird to me how people put a price tag on that stuff.
joe rogan
I was in uh excuse me I was in Venice recently and we went to uh I guess it's the Guggenheim gallery the Guggenheim family gallery.
It's a house that's like it's a gallery that's like on the water.
You like you pull up in one of those little boats you get off and you're in the gallery.
And it's priceless art.
It was one person's collection.
So one super rich lady put together I I think is it called the Peggy Guggenheim in Venice I might be making that up.
But anyway it's a lady a very wealthy lady who really loved art.
Is that it?
Oh what a memory and she has this incredible collection where you're like how much did she spend like this is like a billion dollars in art.
It's nuts man.
What is that?
That's the front page of their website oh that's an exhibit that they have there.
But it's all there's some modern stuff but there's a lot of like priceless shit.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just unbelievable collection.
sal vulcano
You collect no nothing.
joe rogan
I collect pool cues.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nothing I have some art.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I have friends that are artists.
Well this place is filled with art obviously but but like I think of my house very differently in this place.
I definitely collect art.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
I love art for here.
But for my house I don't have anything.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
I don't collect anything I started.
joe rogan
But this is this is like I fe I feel like the studio is a totally different thing.
Like this this is like it's not my house.
It's like a showcase you know like I like to put cool stuff in here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like I would if my house is like this it's a too chaotic.
It's too weird.
sal vulcano
Yeah yeah yeah that's a creative space.
It's cool.
It's cool in here.
joe rogan
I have a few pieces at home from this guy Greg Overton he's a friend of mine and he does Native American art that is just spectacular he does these huge pieces like this you know like six eight foot by six foot giant Native American faces that are just the I saw him for the first time I was in Park City just going through like the little town and they had a gallery and we were walking around like oh let's go look at the gallery.
And it was just like right away I was like whoa pull up one of his photos.
If you can pull up the one that I have but I I stare at that motherfucker every day.
Yeah you know it's totally different.
You know it's like I just think what it this was like this is a very accurate representation of a real person that lived here 200 years ago.
And like what is that dude's life like that's what that one's in my wall.
God how good is this guy?
sal vulcano
Wow.
Well what what what is what is that oil?
What is it?
joe rogan
Oh yeah it's oil paint.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oil or acrylic or I mean I I don't know what exactly he uses, but it's painting.
sal vulcano
So like all like realistic.
joe rogan
Oh, so well, it's just really good, man.
That's one of the ones that I have, but I have another one.
This dude who has white paint on his face and this crazy scar on his face.
It's like his stuff is first of all, the dude like loves that's it.
The one with above it with the uh feathers, the white one.
Yeah, that's it.
Make that a little bigger.
That one I see when I'm walking down the hall every day.
sal vulcano
Oh shit.
joe rogan
That's like the first thing I see in the morning is that motherfucker staring at me.
unidentified
Wow.
Because I, you know, uh That's kind of powerful, dude.
joe rogan
It's so powerful.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love that painting.
Uh Greg's a friend too, and he's a cool motherfucker.
But that um that to me represents there was a real human that looked exactly like that walking around 200 years ago, had no idea what was gonna happen to this country in just a short amount of time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this dude in, you know, 18, 10, is just out here, lived his whole life out here like this.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Living under the stars, following the buffalo around.
It's like it there's something really powerful about knowing that people used to live like that that that recent recently, yeah.
So recent.
sal vulcano
And now he hangs right by your powder room.
joe rogan
He's at the end of the hallway.
Right when I get up on purpose.
I want to walk, I want to walk towards it.
sal vulcano
That's serious.
Like I the stuff I've collected is a little bit more like vibrant and a little bit more like, you know, not so photorealistic and stuff.
Like I was gonna tell you someone I thought you'd like is this artist, Jordy Kerwick, as I have a piece of.
He's I just I I found him on my own during the pandemic.
I bought a piece of his art, and I really loved it.
And then like what does he do?
joe rogan
What kind of stuff?
sal vulcano
Uh I mean, I guess uh it's kind of like well, his style has changed.
I bought like a still piece that was like uh but now he's moved into this really funky, cool, like lizard, like um like oh.
So What is that?
That's so this is some cool shit, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Oh he's awesome.
unidentified
He does sculptures too.
sal vulcano
From Australia, I believe, but he lives in France.
He does sculptures, yeah.
He's fry he blew up too, and he's like, he's the nicest guy.
So like a couple of years, like a few years after I bought his piece, I saw him like something of mine on Instagram, and I was like, Oh, he because I I zoomed with him before I bought it, I guess just to talk about it for a minute.
And I thought maybe he just fought like followed me or knew who I was because I bought his art, but he didn't.
He just knew me through comedy.
And so I hit him up and I go, hey man, I saw you like something of mine.
Like, you know, I bought something from you, right?
And he's like, I have no idea, no.
And it's like, yeah, we took we zoomed.
I I he is like, and he's like, no, no, I just am a fan.
I'm like, dude, your stuff is amazing.
And this guy was so nice, he ended up sending me more artwork, like he shipped me more artwork of his, and it's like expensive.
And he just he just was so generous.
He sent me more stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
sal vulcano
This guy's dope, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That looks like where the wild things are.
sal vulcano
How fucking dope is that, right?
joe rogan
Very good.
sal vulcano
His style has changed so much too, and it's like I want to get another piece.
I'm like, I part of me is like, I don't want to if I'm gonna spend yeah, if I'm gonna get it, I want to like you know, get try to vary it up, but I like his stuff so much that I just kind of want to like he does weird shit too, yeah.
unidentified
It's creepy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, art is awesome, man.
It's like it's got so few limitations.
You could do whatever you want, you paint whatever you want, sculpt whatever you want.
You know, and and you have that thing in your house and you get to stare at it, and it gives you like a whole different sense of life.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like somebody made that.
So this popped out of someone's imagination.
My cough button still is it still broken?
Let's try it.
Seems like it's working now.
unidentified
You uh when the whole thing's not out, it acts a little weird.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
How good are you with a bow and arrow?
joe rogan
Pretty good.
sal vulcano
How good?
joe rogan
Like I bow hunt.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I practice.
sal vulcano
But I didn't know every day.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, you have to.
All right, so if I I mean I um I shouldn't say have to every day, but you have to practice a lot.
You have to be really accurate.
sal vulcano
But like back in the day when they battled with bow and arrow.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
sal vulcano
How what skill level were those guys?
joe rogan
Oh, that's a totally different kind of archery.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
So that kind of archery is how much of that was like letting it fly, and how much of it was like I'm a sniper, I'm gonna like it.
joe rogan
Oh no, they were good.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guys are good.
My friend Aaron Schneider, he's such a good bow hunter that he decided he wants to hunt with a recurve, like a regular bow for a while.
sal vulcano
Because like he What's the difference?
joe rogan
It's way harder.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
Way harder to be accurate.
sal vulcano
Like a Robin Hood bow?
joe rogan
Yeah, Robin Hood bow.
A regular bow.
Yeah, he killed everything with it.
He killed bears, he killed deer, elk, everything.
He's like a professional hunter.
He's like a like a world-class hunter, ex-military guy, got into hunting, he's a fucking beast.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when bow hunting, which is one of the hardest things to do becomes so easy that you want to pick up a regular bow and go shoot that.
That shows you what type of human you're talking about.
But he can group like into like a softball sized lump at 45 yards.
He just fires them in with super accurate with that thing.
But so if I I tried once, I was on vacation and I'm like, I'm good with a bow and arrow.
I know how to shoot a bow and arrow.
I do it all the time.
I was hitting them in the ass, hitting them in the neck.
I was hitting them all over the place.
Not at a human, not an animal, rather, it's foam target.
We're shooting recur, and I was like, I'll be able to do that.
It was like a thing that you do.
You shot ski.
It was at an island resort.
It was pretty fun.
And then you shot skeet and then you got to shoot these uh recurves, and I was like, Oh, I got this.
I was terrible.
I didn't really totally differ technique.
Yeah, it didn't carry sights.
It carried over a little.
I mean I hit the target, but I w I this there's no way I was accurate.
sal vulcano
So if I gave chase if I ran from you and you had to get like if I get like could you take me out if I'm like if I'm running around like a moving target?
joe rogan
Like it's well, it depends on how far away you are.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
You know, because the arrows go in two hundred and seventy-nine feet a second.
sal vulcano
Uh a second.
joe rogan
A second.
sal vulcano
So what's that in miles?
joe rogan
I don't know.
But that's what my when I look at my range finder.
sal vulcano
I'm just doing quick math, but I think that's a billion miles an hour.
joe rogan
I have to enter in and my my range finder, I enter in how fast the arrow's going.
Yeah.
Enter in how fast the arrow's going, how much the arrow weighs, and it gives me like a very precise measurement of where my arrow is gonna be at the top of its flight.
So when I range something, I use a range laser range finder.
It's called a full draw, loophole makes it.
And uh when I click on the button, it gives me the distance, so I'll say like fifty three yards, but it also gives me the height of my arrow because it's measure I've entered in the speed of my arrow and the weight of my arrow and the the feet per second it goes.
sal vulcano
So you're going from home plate to home plate to center field in a second and a half.
joe rogan
It's so fast.
It's like shh you barely keep your eyes on it.
See, and then mine is not as fast as other guys.
Like uh, I have a friend of mine, my friend Josh Jones, he's just put together a bow that I think goes three hundred and forty feet a second.
But he's a big tall guy, and when you're uh a taller person, you have a a longer draw length and you'll get more speed out of the bow.
sal vulcano
I can't wrap my head around the speed of a bow.
Like very fast.
Like I said, if you were at home the way I'm thinking of it.
unidentified
200 136, 340 is 232 miles per hour.
sal vulcano
232 miles an hour?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
That's insane.
joe rogan
It's so fast, dude.
sal vulcano
That's the way I'm thinking of it.
If you're at home plate, I'm at center field, and you shoot your arrow at me, I have a second, one second to move out of the way.
joe rogan
His arrow's going 231.82 miles an hour.
That's bananas.
sal vulcano
And there's people that karate chop those.
joe rogan
Not really.
Not that.
You kind of see a sl uh a regular okay, you got a long bow, which is probably the slowest, and then you have recurves.
Recurves, I don't know if the Mongolians invented them or if the Mongols invented them.
But the Mongols had the strongest known bows.
They had bows that take a hundred and sixty pounds to draw back.
So much so that like some of their skeletons were disfigured.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Because they had so much time pulling in one direction that their whole body was like contorted in that shape.
sal vulcano
Chiropractor would have cleaned up back then.
joe rogan
But those guys were s I don't think chiropractors are real.
But uh but those but those guys were super accurate.
But you'd have to do it every day.
If you do it every day, it's like it's like a pitcher, right?
Like if you ask me to throw a strike, who knows what's gonna happen.
I might not even go near the plate.
I don't throw a ball very often.
sal vulcano
Not since you started doing martial arts.
joe rogan
But I mean, but the point is like even if you did, you'd have to do it over and over and over again to be able to throw a strike in a game against a real good batter, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what these guys are doing with bows and arrows.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
They they're getting to that point where they it's just like a throwing a ball.
They know exactly how far it is, exactly where the arrow's gonna go at that distance.
They have a feel because they're doing it every day.
But you have to do that every day.
The kind of archery I do, you don't have to do it at as much.
It probably should do it every day.
But mine is like I'm dialing this sight out to the exact yardage.
I'm I've got like a fiber optic pin that's sitting over the spot.
Like I know exactly where it's gonna be.
It's super high tech.
Yeah.
And then you know exactly where the arrow's gonna be at every spot of the way if you shoot it straight.
sal vulcano
How long because of all that, is it more about understanding it to be accurate, or is there also still like you gotta be steady and everything?
unidentified
I mean, obviously.
joe rogan
You have to be you have to just do it so brief that it becomes a part of you.
It's like you know, when when you were playing basketball, I'm sure there were times when you're fucking around with your friends where you just hit a flow.
You just hit a flow and you start to get away.
unidentified
That was right around my thirteenth point.
joe rogan
But you know what I mean when you're with your friends, not with your ass kicked by Dominicans, but when you're just hanging out with your boys, every now and then you'll catch a flow, right?
Where you feel it and you just know the ball.
What what everything else is it's like taking that and just doing it all day long until you can do it at any time you want.
sal vulcano
Sure.
joe rogan
You're always in that flow.
sal vulcano
So how long did it take you to feel like oh I know what I'm doing, or oh, I I've I have a marked improvement right now.
joe rogan
It just takes it took years.
Years years of practice.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So years of just like not hitting No, you always hit the target, but not consistently.
So you know, like I'd be in my backyard, and I used to have a 45 yard target, and I was pretty good at 45 yards.
I could get most of them in the spot that I wanted to hit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But every now and then one would go left, one would go right.
Now they're all going in there.
Now, 45 yards for me is like zip zip zip zip.
I'll st I'll ruin arrows because I'm stacking them on top of each other.
But if I go out to like eighty-five yards, then things spread out because then all of your movement is magnified.
So the key is it's like any little variation, little twitch to the left to the right, over the course of 85 yards, it's gonna vary six inches left or right, maybe.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Whereas at 45 would just be like a little bit, you know, and you'd think you're still dead on.
And it's it just magnifies all the flaws in your technique.
So it's like a you lose yourself in it because while when you're at full draw, and I'm not I'm not even talking about bow hunting, I'm just talking about target archery.
When you're at full draw and you're really trying to hit that target, you'd have no room for anything else.
There's no room in your your mind for your your bills or an argument you had with a business partner or fucking tickets you haven't paid.
None of there's no room.
Everything goes away.
It cleans the mind because it requires all of your focus.
Yeah.
That's the best part of it.
That's the best part of it.
Everything after that, it just becomes like everything else.
It becomes like a vehicle for you to like express yourself, whether it's learning how to play a guitar, it's shooting a bow, playing pool, playing basketball.
It's like you're just finding a vehicle for you to express your spirit.
sal vulcano
You have a let go of an arrow and like a bird, like Randy Jackson.
unidentified
You ever see the Randy Jackson?
joe rogan
That was nuts.
Birds and that feathers.
Fucking that guy was a house.
That guy threw heat.
sal vulcano
He was like seven foot one.
unidentified
He was so big.
sal vulcano
He was a gangly guy.
joe rogan
Fucking bird exploded.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was perfect.
It was like the universe threw us a bone.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Like the universe, like, wasn't he something fucked up?
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like every now and then the universe does that.
Live TV.
sal vulcano
You just continue.
unidentified
Yeah.
There's feathers on the floor, but that's it's like a Looney Tune card.
Boom!
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yo, that video.
sal vulcano
Disintegrated.
joe rogan
That video is nuts.
And he's a lefty too, son.
Look at the slow-mo.
sal vulcano
That bird made.
God, man.
joe rogan
What a mistake that bird made.
sal vulcano
It's just crazy that it didn't just like kill the bird, but knocked every single feather loose.
joe rogan
You can just cook that thing.
Every single feather.
Put it right on the fire.
It's like it's pre-plugged.
sal vulcano
It's like when you get into like an accident, like your shoes and socks come off.
You know, like it's like every feather went.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Let me see when uh something about lefties, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think lefties learn things better than righties.
I know a lot of lefties that are like really good at shit.
It seems like the lefties that are like really good, they're like exceptionally good.
Weird, like oddly good.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think seeing everybody do everything opposite and forcing your brain to adapt to this world where you're writing and you're you're smudging your paper all the time because you're riding the wrong way.
It's all weird, right?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you're seeing everybody's doing everything with their right hand and you're doing it with your left, and you're supposed to everything seems wrong to you.
Everything's so by doing that, you have to like really think about your movements.
sal vulcano
So but the left handed comes out early, right?
It's like inherent that movement is inherent.
It's not like they're working on it.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
So it's like, I don't know, do they even do they have to think about those things?
Or like is it just like coming out?
joe rogan
Oh, they definitely do.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because everything's reversed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like if someone tries to teach you something, they have to teach you the opposite.
sal vulcano
It is a right-handed person's game, usually.
joe rogan
Like, say if you're a boxing coach and you only fight orthodox.
You've only fought orthodox your whole life.
And then some kid comes in and he says, I'm left-handed.
And you have to decide either gonna teach this kid fucked up and teach him left hand first, which some people actually think is uh actually a benefit.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
In fact, some great boxers actually fought, like Oscar de La Hoya fought dominant hand first.
So there's a few guys that have done that.
Okay where they they will if they're right-handed guys with a they'll put their right hand in front.
But for the most part, you would want to teach that kid how to fight as a southpaw, which would mean you would have to reverse everything.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So if you don't know how to do it the right is off and you're showing some how to d do something, like you're not really so the kids gotta like learn things from his stance and watch you and just duplicate it, like mirror it from the other side.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And sometimes that just teaches you more about the movement itself because you think about it.
Because what like one of the things they say if you really want to learn something, um say if you're like a in a martial arts skill, if you're uh you have a dominant side, like if you're really good at throwing a kick with your right leg.
If you throw it and practice it and get it better with your left leg, your right leg will improve as well.
sal vulcano
Oh, that's interesting.
I didn't hear it.
Yeah, I don't know.
It makes that I feel like, yeah.
Because you're kind of Yeah.
joe rogan
I I could see how that's it gives you a more comprehensive understanding of what you're doing.
And they say that about pool too.
Like, I can't really play with my left hand.
I can make like simple shots with my left hand, but there's guys that can just switch hands.
sal vulcano
The ambidestrous people are like probably aliens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Just equal both on both sides, like equal, they could do it w without a crazy example.
joe rogan
In professional pool, there's this kid named John Moore, uh elite like top of the food chain pro pool player.
Hurts his shoulder, can't play right-handed anymore.
Learns how to play left-handed, and becomes world-class left-handed.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Learned as a professional when he hurt his arm that he had to start playing left-handed, started playing left-handed and started winning like world-class events as a lefty, beating world-class top of the food chain pool players who've been playing right-handed their whole life.
And he's been playing lefty for like two years.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
sal vulcano
I can't write my name.
unidentified
I broke my arm once and I had to write my name and I write everything with my left hand.
joe rogan
It was fucking terrible.
sal vulcano
Yeah, no, it's like there's nothing there.
joe rogan
And I draw, so I was trying to learn how to draw with my left hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think it now in retrospect, it might have helped me draw better with my right hand.
I think if you could learn how to do something, that's why I think lefties are better at stuff.
sal vulcano
What do you draw?
joe rogan
Well, I used to want to be a comic book illustrator when I was a kid.
So I drew a lot a lot of comic book stuff.
unidentified
Oh shit.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
You do that still?
joe rogan
No.
No, not anymore.
sal vulcano
You don't miss it?
joe rogan
Uh I mean, I can do it, I can pick it up, but I would have to get into it really to like achieve the skill that I used to have, and then I would like I don't have any time.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fun.
I love drawing, but I don't have any time.
sal vulcano
School always like blew my mind.
They'd just be sitting there drawing like comic book, like literal, like that good.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, yeah.
sal vulcano
You self-taught, or are you just gonna Yeah, mostly self-taught?
See, that's also gotta be something that's e I mean, if you start from nothing and just like I don't know, I feel I feel like that's inside you somewhere as well, like to be a naturally gifted, just to know how to some people are just better at that than well, I had a very artistic family.
joe rogan
My uncle Sal and my uncle Vinny were both artists.
sal vulcano
Okay.
joe rogan
So my mom's brothers, both brothers were artists.
sal vulcano
What kind of artists?
joe rogan
One of them ran a pottery guild and uh I was an art teacher, and the other one did a bunch of different types of uh art, uh photography and uh did a lot of album covers.
Did album covers for Kiss.
Yeah, yeah, and he took me to work with him once and I got to meet Ace Freely when he had no makeup on.
Like before anybody knew what they really looked like.
No, no, they had makeup on back then, but no one knew what they looked like in real life.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So he showed up in the office with no makeup on.
I was like, this is crazy.
sal vulcano
That's wild.
joe rogan
And I think I was probably like 10.
You know, and I was like, this is nuts.
I was just hanging out with my uncle in the office.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And fucking ace freely walked in.
sal vulcano
That's that's wild.
My my third grade teacher, um, her brother was the drummer and twisted sister.
joe rogan
No.
sal vulcano
Yeah, Tony Piero.
We're not good.
joe rogan
He was the first, like, I mean, like r rock star that cross dressed.
sal vulcano
Like D. Snyder in them.
unidentified
Right?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
They were they were one of the big glam, yeah, like glam rock bands.
joe rogan
But it was almost cross dressing.
sal vulcano
That's him on the on the right of D. Right.
joe rogan
Like you would kind of you would say Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's you would ask his pronouns.
sal vulcano
You know what I'm saying?
That's like poison, all those groups back then.
But um so yeah, so she lived so we lived in these little garden apartments.
That's so ridiculous.
joe rogan
Bro, they were huge.
sal vulcano
They were huge.
joe rogan
They were fucking huge.
jamie vernon
Or is that natural?
joe rogan
Uh I don't know, maybe they added it.
I think it's like a Marilyn Man Roman.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember when the ladies were doing that?
They were adding a fake beauty mark.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what are you doing, honey?
sal vulcano
So this guy, so my teacher lived upstairs from us in the apartment building.
So he used to go be at her house all the time.
So I was in grammar school.
I was in, I was like, I I couldn't have been more than like eight.
Same or something like that.
And my dad was the superintendent of the par apartment buildings.
And so he knew everyone, and my teeth that was my teacher.
So we met him at a young age, and he used to come over to my house all the time.
So I have pictures of me at like my parents in my parents' kitchen, like just sitting down eight years old in my pajamas with him and just eating like a tuna sandwich, and he's like literally dressed like that.
He's in like I swear to God, dude.
I have one where he's in full electric blue spandex pants.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
And like a jean a ripped jean jacket with his hair all up, and I'm just it's just me and him sitting at the table.
I'm just gonna.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Oh, dude, that's so ridiculous.
sal vulcano
We used to I remember back then.
Did you ever have that like did you we were into like the it you have a uh the the denim jacket?
joe rogan
Oh, I had a denim jacket.
sal vulcano
And then we got like the patches all over it.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
sal vulcano
And then when we graduated, like everyone sign, like take a sharpie a black marker on like sign your your jacket.
I don't think that exists anymore.
joe rogan
Oh no.
sal vulcano
That kind of thing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Denim jackets were a sign you were a rebel.
sal vulcano
I have one.
joe rogan
Wearing a denoun denim jacket, especially if you had a pack of cigarettes in the denim jacket.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I remember there's this one kid.
You know, sometimes when you're like 14, you see some kid that like you never seen before, and you're like, wow, that guy's so cool.
There was this dude, he had a denim jacket on and a pack of cigarettes in his pocket, and he just had perfect hair, and he just looked cool, like this Italian-looking kid.
I'm like, that guy looks so cool.
I wish I was cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I can never be that cool.
unidentified
He was like smoking cigarette on a fucking in the breeze way.
joe rogan
And I was like, that guy, like he's in a movie.
That guy's in a movie.
I was a dork.
I was trying to hide from people.
sal vulcano
I was trying to do that.
That influenced me so much that I took my money that I made for confirmation, and I bought a Van Halen replica guitar.
I swear I bought it.
I did you learn how to play?
No, not a fucking cord.
I it was the red guitar with like the white lines on it.
It was like a famous Eddie Vent.
So it's as a kid's one though.
And I bought it at this place still there, mode music on base.
It's a I took all my money.
I bought that, I bought an amplifier, I bought a guitar case, and I I spent all my money on it, and I never used it, never took it out of the I I I like, you know, just never used it.
I have it to this day.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Like well, you could learn as a part of your workout regimen.
sal vulcano
Uh yeah, I can't.
joe rogan
Like a mental concentration workout.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it is kinda, right?
sal vulcano
I used it one time.
It came to it came full circle on on the show.
Um Do you know the band Imagine Dragons?
unidentified
Yes.
sal vulcano
Okay, so we I met uh met them along the way, friendly with them.
So before they well, they was big because this was Jones Beach, which is like 15,000 people, they sold that out.
unidentified
Whoa.
sal vulcano
They were playing Jones Beach.
It was like maybe ten again ten years ago.
And we made me, they threw me out on stage before they came out as one of the opening acts.
And I had to sing and play guitar to f almost almost 15,000 people.
And I don't sing or play guitar, and they didn't tell me what songs.
I had to make it up on the spot.
joe rogan
Oh no.
sal vulcano
Me and my buddy Joe, who they put him as the drummer, they introduced us as a band called Senora Lanza, which was the name of our high school Spanish teacher.
joe rogan
And so my God.
sal vulcano
There was three opening acts before us, which is bonkers, right?
And so when they were about to come on, they they made it like they were gonna come on.
They lowered the lights and all those freaking spotlights started going all over the place, and the place went nuts, and then they introduced the fourth opening act, and us two walked out.
He got with the in uh he got behind the drums, and I used that guitar that I bought in 1989, June 89.
I I finally used it in like 2015, and they just they're like, All right, go, you're an opening act, and that's all they said.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
And I just started like just hitting the guitar and and just making up songs and stuff, and we were getting booed, shit.
People were throwing things at us.
joe rogan
I didn't even hear it.
sal vulcano
It's probably like copyrighted.
No, no, I made it up.
Oh, oh, you mean because of the show?
No, I doubt that.
joe rogan
Let's let's play some of it.
Can I see it, James?
sal vulcano
I put in your pants pocket a dedication for the set.
Open it up and read it.
joe rogan
Oh, you had to dedicate the set.
unidentified
Yeah, the dedication was terrible because I'm gonna play look, mommy, I'm a rock star.
Oh boy.
This is one of our favorites.
He doesn't have to go nothing.
Look, mommy, I'm gonna ask you something.
sal vulcano
How badly does he suck out?
It's probably his worse than I imagine.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Look, mommy.
sal vulcano
They made me sing five songs.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
Shut your face, Grandma.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Um my god.
sal vulcano
Yeah, so they also they made me call them the imagination dragons right in the beginning.
And I dedicated I said, Everyone just calm down, the imagination dragons will be out in a little in a little while.
And then the dedication was like this.
It was in Long Island.
I was like, it was like this this uh this set is dedicated to the people of Pittsburgh because I could already tell that you guys are not gonna be half as good an audience as them.
And then I started playing, they were booing us and everything.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
And then at one point, a guy came to like a guy came on stage and he tried to grab my guitar from me, and I just I didn't know what was going on.
I mean, I was like a deer in the headlights out there.
It was like 14 times, and I just pushed him away, and he's like trying to grab my guitar, and I'm pushing him away, and I'm singing through it, right?
I'm cursing also because I'm just like free for free wheeling it up there, and I didn't know they're like they're Mormons, they don't really curse.
And so like they were like, I I didn't get the memo, I wasn't supposed to curse.
Oh no, and so I'm dropping F-bombs.
I I I I sang a song called Fuck the Imagination Dragons.
I'm better than them.
Fucking how long did you sing for?
I would say I would say like probably somewhere like eight, seven, eight minutes, something like that.
unidentified
And then I'm getting bit with ice, everything's so long.
sal vulcano
And then uh, and then this guy he he keeps trying to get the the guitar from me.
I'm ripping it from him, and I'm like, fuck the magic.
And he's trying to, and I I wouldn't let him have it.
And I didn't realize that was the official union stage manager trying to get me off the stage because there's a curfew that they have to hit and they have to do their full show, and they had to do their finale.
And as soon as they go, you know, this past curfew on a union stage, the entire thing is like double time for every single worker there.
And then this penalties, it's hundreds, it could be like a hundred thousand dollars or yes, and so no one tells me who this guy is, so I'm shoving the real union stage manager off of me because I thought he was trying to just sabotage me.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
And I thought I had to stay out there, so I push him away, I push him away.
The guy's like, give me the goddamn guitar.
I'm like, I'm not taking, you know.
And I found out afterwards that that was like official and I was supposed to get off, and I didn't.
I caused them later because they couldn't not do their encore.
Their encore went into overtime.
And the encore, that dude, he gets hooked up to his cables.
They lift him into the air and they spin him in circles while he plays drums.
It's wild.
And they said they they went into they went into the bonus and they had to pay all these fees because of because of me.
unidentified
Oh no.
joe rogan
Did you guys reimburse them?
sal vulcano
No, I don't have money to reimburse them.
Like I just I I I know.
I to they're still our friends, but like and at the end they're like stage dive off.
And I'm looking in the crowd, and I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna kill myself.
These people aren't gonna catch me.
Like they hate me.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
And they staged, I stageized, so I just ran and I jumped off, but I kind of just like landed on the floor and rolled, like no one caught me.
It was, yeah, it was it was rough.
unidentified
It was rough.
Shh.
sal vulcano
But that's the guitar.
That's how cool I thought that he wasn't twisted sister.
Like, that's how cool I was like, look at this guy.
joe rogan
Which one of your friends told you to stage dive?
Fuck him.
sal vulcano
Uh whoever was, I don't know.
joe rogan
That is so irresponsible.
sal vulcano
I know.
Well, they weren't, they were never gonna catch me.
And I guess they saw me, and I just I kind of jumped off.
I think as I as I'm in the air jumping off, I think I hit with a soda.
unidentified
It's like it was bad.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so ridiculous.
I know that's so ridiculous.
sal vulcano
Yeah, the show's crazy.
The show has given me like a lot of opportunities to do stuff like that.
I would never have done like that.
joe rogan
Well, who the fuck ever gets to do something like that?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
The balls to stand up there where all those people hate you and go through with whatever they're telling you to say.
sal vulcano
I had a ping of anxiety.
joe rogan
Did anybody let them know afterwards that it was for I I don't recall.
sal vulcano
I don't recall.
I I I would imagine maybe they came out and said something, but I don't I don't remember.
It was like 10 years ago.
unidentified
That's funny.
sal vulcano
There was another time they put us in uh the devils uh during uh in between periods, they threw me as a goalie in the in the net of the New Jersey Devils, and all the devils came out and took slap shots on me.
Me and my buddy Q. It was two of us in net, and it was scarier than that.
Like they were taking blistering slap shots at us.
I was in full devil's gear as a goalie, and I I remember there was uh someone from like Sports Illustrated or something was there, and I have this.
I saved it like a chain of his tweets that he was tweeting, and he's like, I don't know what's going on here, but the devils are apparently taking slap shots at a civilian.
He's down on the ground, he's very hurt.
This is not a good promotion.
He's like, I don't think that the devil should be doing this type of promotion with fans.
He didn't know it was our show.
joe rogan
Oh wow.
unidentified
And he's like, he's like Did you get hurt?
sal vulcano
No, not not like hurt hurt, it hurt, but I didn't get hurt.
joe rogan
Okay.
So boom, when you were down, he didn't need to be concerned.
sal vulcano
I got back up, but like it was like it still was hitting me like in the neck and the thing.
Oh yeah, like you had the guard on and stuff.
joe rogan
But the guard protect your neck.
sal vulcano
It it hurt bad, you know.
It hurt.
joe rogan
Where is it covered?
Does it cover your neck?
sal vulcano
Yeah, everything was covered, but it's still like fuck still taking a puck like a 90 miles an hour to the chest and stuff.
joe rogan
Pucks are so hard, too.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and I I played hockey in the like late grammar school and high school.
I played hockey, and I and I started as a goal, roller hockey goalie, but it it doesn't you can't compare the two things.
joe rogan
Oh, you ever see some old school photos of the old school goalies with the scars all over their face?
sal vulcano
Dude, no, they didn't even wear fucking helmets back then.
Yeah, it's crazy.
They just played without helmets.
unidentified
A puck hit you in the mug on Tuesday.
sal vulcano
You're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you gotta play again next week.
sal vulcano
My first ever uh my first ever tryout for ice hockey in high school was I we it it was hard to play hockey back then.
Like there wasn't a lot of like it was expensive and there wasn't a lot of rinks.
We drove like two hours up to like uh like Bear Mountain or some crap, like three hours with my family, my dad, my stepmom, and they had to wait in the stands because they can't drop you off and go home because it's you just drove three hours.
So they're watching these tryouts, and I was my first time I ever put ice skates on in my life.
I had played roller hockey already, but I never put on ice skates in my life, so it's kind of like you were saying, like just trying to play like left-handed or whatever.
I was like, oh, maybe it'll transfer, you know.
And I put on these ice skates and it didn't.
I was really bad.
But um someone took a slap shot and it got deflected into the uh onto the stands.
So whatever, I didn't think anything of that.
At the end of the tryouts, I went back, got my club, got my bag, walked back out, and my my stepmom was out there with uh her eye was this big, the ambulance was there, she uh bleeding black and blue, stitches, everything.
The puck hit her right in the face.
Oh my during my tryouts.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
sal vulcano
Right in the face.
unidentified
Oh I was like, oh my god.
sal vulcano
Like it was her face was this big, blood everywhere, she was already black and blue, a gash right here.
joe rogan
Does that happen all the time?
sal vulcano
To her?
joe rogan
No, no.
The people in the crowd get hit.
sal vulcano
I got that.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they had to put up nets because a couple of people died.
unidentified
Jesus.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this is a high school kid.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
That was a high school deflection.
Like imagine like the devil's taking slap shots at you.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those guys taking slap shots at you.
Could you even react to it?
Like when did you see it coming?
It like do you could you see the puck?
sal vulcano
It was like um a split-second battle between whether I would like try to like actually block it, or just like wince and take it.
Because it was like it was faster than you know, I was prepared for, obviously.
unidentified
Like it can you skate not these days, you know.
jamie vernon
I just saw something interesting.
That picture that we've always seen.
Let me find it like this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's not real.
joe rogan
Right.
It's a recreation of all the times he's had stitches in his life.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
This says it's what?
joe rogan
But the scars in his face are real.
jamie vernon
What it would look like if uh the other one is 16 years of professional hockey.
joe rogan
The problem is like the one on the left, you can't really see very good.
It's he's very shadowy.
But you could tell he's got scars everywhere.
You know, those guys just took it in the face all the time.
jamie vernon
This says that the first guy wore a mask in 1929.
This guy.
joe rogan
When do they figure it out?
Yeah, look at him.
He's already his nose is already busted.
He's like, all right, I'm putting a fucking mask on.
That guy's probably a genius.
sal vulcano
He he had the mask.
And before he got his nose busted, like really well, like he got his nose is actively busted, right?
joe rogan
Maybe the mask on afterwards.
sal vulcano
That's what I'm saying.
He's like, let me put this thing on.
joe rogan
Or maybe he broke his nose with the mask on.
I mean, if you take a full one to the nose, it's not like it's not a smash against your nose.
It's gonna smash.
jamie vernon
Or was it?
One of them had it had the blood going through there right there.
The blood was going through the nose.
joe rogan
Oh god.
jamie vernon
I guess it's just the hole.
joe rogan
Yeah, but dude.
sal vulcano
Yeah, they just built different.
joe rogan
That is a hard man sport.
And it's the only sport where you're allowed to fight.
sal vulcano
To this day.
joe rogan
Crazy.
sal vulcano
Just let them have it.
joe rogan
It's the weirdest thing.
She just grandfathered in.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
All and all the like extra precautions now and the CTE stuff and all that stuff.
And they out the window.
It just hasn't even permeated.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Like they haven't had a meeting, not a vote.
It's just like, no, the guys need to fight.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's part of the sport.
sal vulcano
Do you feel like it's less fighting now or no?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't watch hockey.
sal vulcano
I haven't watched in a minute, yeah.
joe rogan
Um, you know, I grew up in Boston.
If you said you had to be like, say it in whispered tones.
Oh no, I don't watch hockey.
People get mad at you.
There's a big Bruins town.
Everybody loved hockey.
But for me, I was like, I don't like being cold.
So uh I don't I don't like skating.
I don't have time for this.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
It's a lot.
It's evolved.
You need something to watch.
joe rogan
It's a really fun sport to watch.
It's fast as fuck.
It's you gotta be in really good shape to play hockey.
Because those guys are just moving, move and move, move and move and move.
And it's like this delicate balancing act you're doing on metal skin.
sal vulcano
Graceful too.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
As much as it's as it's just you know, bru brute brutal.
joe rogan
Sure.
Like when you watch a guy like Bobby Orr in his prime, the way he was able to maneuver through people, the the movement, it's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's beautiful swans.
Yeah, it's like a dance.
It's a dance and a sport at the same time.
Really amazing sport when you think about it that way.
And then the speed of it too.
It's a fast fucking sport, man.
Like you cannot be out of shape and play that sport.
sal vulcano
That was the only time I was in shape in my life, probably.
joe rogan
It's fitness man.
You're you're constantly kind of sprinting with skates, you know.
unidentified
You move shh so much core movement.
sal vulcano
And when I did that, I skated everywhere.
Like I was roll I played roller hockey verse, but when I was it when I was like in my like four or five years that I was like obsessed with it, I played every day.
I roller skated everywhere.
unidentified
Oh wow.
joe rogan
So you were with that guy out there roller skating on the streets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a wow man.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's smart.
That's a great way to keep up those skills.
Like you're gonna have to walk anyway.
You already know how well you can skate.
Why not just skate there?
sal vulcano
Yeah, it was kind of like skateboarding.
Like, why wouldn't I get there like t five times faster or whatever?
joe rogan
Did dudes try to knock you over ever.
sal vulcano
When I played hockey?
joe rogan
No.
When you're skating by them.
You know?
You see a guy with roller skates on.
You're kind of kind of tempted to go fuck this guy.
sal vulcano
I mean, I wasn't I I wasn't like it wasn't like roller skating like on Venice Beach, like with like my headphones and like you know.
I didn't look like you know a cornball.
joe rogan
I just you know some people they don't like people in roller skates.
Like some when I lived in California, uh motorcycles were allowed to split the lanes, you know.
sal vulcano
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, which is crazy.
It's really dangerous.
But if you have a motorcycle, you can get by in traffic when everybody else is fucked, you're zipping right through.
And I remember one time I watched this guy see this dude coming up beside us, and I moved to the left to give this guy a little room so he could pass, and the dude in front of me moved into the lane on purpose to stop this guy from passing him for no reason at all.
And that's gonna happen with that too.
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah.
No, I don't I don't recall really.
It was good for my curfew, because I used to go to my my girlfriend's house, my dad was like, You have to be home by like 11.
And it was like probably like a couple of miles.
joe rogan
And so like that's a long time to be not running into any bullies.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's all that's okay.
joe rogan
Guys out there that would just make that decision, you know, fuck him, fucking knock him off.
sal vulcano
I just used a lace them up and uh there was actually a huge hill, like half halfway there.
Like I got up to the top.
Yeah, I mean flying.
So I just stand.
And I'd be going like yeah, I'd probably be going like 30, 30 30 miles an hour.
joe rogan
That's it.
sal vulcano
If I wiped out, it would have been bad.
joe rogan
But if someone pulled out, right?
sal vulcano
Was there any cars that could have possibly it was a service road of a highway and it was late at night, so I wouldn't do it if there was cars.
joe rogan
You're doing it late at night on a service road or the highway.
You know how crazy that sounds.
sal vulcano
Yeah, but uh but it wasn't that crazy.
It wasn't that crazy.
But I would get home in five minutes, whereas it normally would have taken me like fifteen minutes or getting a nice little workout.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I gave all that up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
I remember I when I got out like into the workforce, I was out of college, one of my buddies was like, You want to go shoot the puck around today?
I'm like, I haven't done it in like five or six years.
He's like, Let's go.
And we went and we went to like a little uh roller rink, that like a hockey rink there, and we we skated around for about I s must have been twenty minutes.
You know that burn that you get in your throat, like the tricky ass office when you haven't like maybe you don't because you haven't like you're you're consistently working out, but like when you're not in shape and then you try to play a sports thing and it just feels like your insides are on fire.
Have you felt that?
joe rogan
Not like that.
I know I've done I know what you're saying, though.
sal vulcano
Like almost can't breathe.
joe rogan
So this is like you'd no cardio at all, no nothing.
sal vulcano
Oh man, I feel like I have a heart attack.
joe rogan
You're doing that.
sal vulcano
Out of like if just like maybe like five years removed.
joe rogan
Wow.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, just five years of not working out at all, and then you try to skate, I would imagine.
Yeah, your body.
Unfortunately, your body will just fall into a state of disrepair.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Leave it alone.
It's like if you have a house, if you own a home, one of the things you find out as soon as you get your first home is ship breaks all the time.
There was always some fucking pipe that breaks, there's this that goes out, there's that that fucks up, the AC's broken.
There's always something.
You're always that's the same shit with your body.
It's the same shit.
And if you put it into a state of disrepair and you don't fix the AC, you don't fucking my pipes are bad.
The pipes are bad, you don't deal with it, you just let your house flood.
Like that's the problem.
The problem is we most of us, you know, are like bad landlords.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
That's me, man.
joe rogan
We're like slum lords.
We're slumlords for our body.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I'm trying to change it.
joe rogan
No, you are changing it.
Don't say trying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Trying makes it seem like you might quit.
You're not gonna quit.
sal vulcano
That's right.
joe rogan
There you go.
sal vulcano
He told me when I cause I'm gonna be here and I'm away from home the next week.
He's like, you gotta go at least three times and send me pictures of yourself.
joe rogan
We could work out here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got a gym right here.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're we can wear it after the show.
sal vulcano
I wouldn't want to bring you down, bro.
joe rogan
No, we just have a little workout.
Just a little something.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want to keep doing it, yeah.
If you want to keep it up while you're here, the the main thing about working out is momentum.
It's number one more than anything else is momentum.
And if you lose your momentum, then it's hard.
Hard to get going.
But once you get going, you get a couple of workouts in a row, you're like, ooh, uh, this is it.
I do it.
This is what I do.
Fuck yeah, we're doing it again.
Just don't kill yourself.
Don't get yourself to when you wake up, you're like, oh fuck.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Ooh, and you're so sore, and you you're gonna go to the gym right now.
That's kind of stupid.
Yeah, you really shouldn't.
You shouldn't never don't you're not a pro athlete.
Don't get yourself to that spot.
But as long as you just keep doing it, that's the key.
It's just I think that's with almost everything in life.
That's what alcoholics say.
It's you know, one day uh at a time.
They just next day, next day, get some momentum.
Now I'm not drinking for two years.
Now I'm not drinking for five years.
I got all these coins and shit.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
It's just like we we have to just make healthy patterns.
And you can do it.
You're doing it right now.
sal vulcano
The next time I come back, I'll be like a pose off next time.
I'm not I'm just I'm just looking to live longer.
joe rogan
You know what looks good?
Shane.
See how big he got?
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
Shane's been working out here.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Shane has been working out like super regular.
He got really into working out.
We started doing these comedians workouts here, and then uh Shane Park thing.
Yeah, Shane got my friend Sean to start training him.
And Sean took a party.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and so I haven't no, I haven't I talked to Shane yesterday, but I haven't seen him.
I I actually you know what's so funny?
The last picture I saw of him, like, or not the last picture, but recently I saw he was filming this that John Madden movie.
Oh, yeah, and that paparazzi took that photo of him in character with the mustache coming out of his track.
joe rogan
I haven't seen that.
sal vulcano
He was an unflattering shot.
Like he's he's talked about it.
And that's so that's the last thing I like really saw on his you could probably pull that you could probably it's pretty freaking funny.
You could see he locks eyes with the photographer just as he's coming out, and it's like he's already meant to look, I think frumpy from the character.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That's awesome.
That he's gonna be John Madden.
He'd be perfect.
unidentified
Well, he first I don't think he's mad.
sal vulcano
Is he Madden?
No, I don't think he's Madden.
joe rogan
Who is he supposed to be?
sal vulcano
He's just someone in the Madden universe.
joe rogan
Oh, Nick Cage is John Madden.
unidentified
Whoa, which I can't see at all.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Oh, whoa, dude, is there a photo of Nicholas Cage as John Madden?
I want to see that.
Oh, that's young John Madden.
Well, that that's Nicholas Cage.
Yeah, yeah, that's oh, the hair does look like Madden's hair.
unidentified
Yeah, but they did something to his face.
joe rogan
No, they did a little something to his face.
They did a little something.
Wait, wait, didn't they?
unidentified
Wait, no, how funny is it though that he looked in shame and said that he was John Madden.
joe rogan
I thought he was John Maddox.
unidentified
I thought he was John Madden!
He could pass for him.
He could pass.
sal vulcano
Guess what?
When I when I first clicked on it, I was like, Shane's John.
I said this, I said this.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Oh, there it is.
Oh, yeah, they definitely did some stuff to him.
They did some stuff to him.
Yeah, he's got like a face thing on.
Wow, that's crazy.
He looks like a man.
Like even the body, they got the body right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
Christian Bale.
sal vulcano
Whoa, is that Christian Bale?
joe rogan
That's Christian Bale?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
That guy's a fucking chameleon.
sal vulcano
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, that'll be sick.
Wow.
sal vulcano
Biopics, man.
joe rogan
Oh wow.
That's cool.
Um, what were we just talking about?
We're talking about guys getting oh the Shane got big.
Got stout.
sal vulcano
I've he must be putting in work then.
Because I'm I'm also like only doing it three days a week.
So because I just started and I don't want to like, you know I don't know if he's been on it recently because he just did he's about to do tires again.
joe rogan
He's like, you know, the boy's busy.
sal vulcano
I know.
joe rogan
Fell's busy.
sal vulcano
I know every time I'm gonna go.
I know.
I love it.
Love to see it.
joe rogan
He's the man.
sal vulcano
I uh you know what I got shit for after the last time I was on?
joe rogan
What?
sal vulcano
I uh I so many people came up to me after the last time I was like, dude, I I saw you know the Rogan episode and you didn't finish a story.
And I'm I'm the amount of people that said this to me.
I must have been like, yeah.
I I started to tell you a story about an experience I had, I think, with a ghost because I never I didn't believe in ghosts.
And I start I guess I started to tell and didn't finish it.
Can I tell you the amount of people that can't think it's like what the fuck, man?
joe rogan
You can't start well you can't just start it from the end though.
unidentified
I know you're gonna have to start anyway, so tell the beginning of the story.
joe rogan
Retell the beginning of the story, because otherwise people are gonna go, what the fuck is he talking about?
Then they'll have to go back and listen to the whole podcast.
sal vulcano
So many people though that I finally I was like, I probably I swear to God, if I go back on, I will bring it up and I'll try to retell the guy.
joe rogan
Let's retell the story.
sal vulcano
I but I I just I'm doing this for them.
I just I don't know if how great the story is.
I so we would talk, I was saying how I just I don't believe in them, but I had this experience, I don't know what to make of it.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
Okay, so I was I lived alone at the time, and I I um when I go to sleep at night, I lock my I lock my uh my bedroom door.
It's just something I do.
So I locked my door, and uh I was laying in bed and I had the television on, and a lot of times I'll put the TV on mute, but keep the TV on when I fall asleep.
Something I do.
So I was telling you how because I sleep with a CPAP machine, how I would wrap myself up in a cocoon because I had an air source.
So I I like it's like a sarcophagus.
I like put everything over my head.
And I tuck in my feet, my and I put my like I swear you just see a tube coming out.
Oh it's it's amazing.
It's like the sensory deprivation things, right?
unidentified
Right, okay.
sal vulcano
That's what it's like.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
So I got used to that.
So anyway, I had just I was wide awake.
I just muted my television, and I wrapped myself up like a fucking burrito, and I had the C Pap on.
I'm laying there, and I always stick like one foot or one hand out.
It's just a nice cool breeze.
It's like a fun little thing to do when you're wrapped up like that.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
And I had my hand out.
So this was out.
And I'm just laying there, and I thought I heard something or somebody.
I don't know if it was talking or I heard what I thought was like the door open, I suppose.
Like again, wasn't asleep.
That I wasn't asleep.
unidentified
I was just I was just about to fall asleep.
sal vulcano
I wouldn't even like I just laying.
Sure.
Sure, yeah, yeah.
But I didn't sleep and wake up or nothing like that.
And I wasn't, it wasn't, I wasn't laying in there 20 minutes.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
It wasn't like that.
And I I'm laying there and I heard walking or the door or something.
And so I listened more intently.
And I I didn't hear anything again, and then all of a sudden I felt I don't know if it's a hand, whatever you want to call it, pressure.
Squeeze, oh, right here on my hand.
Right?
I just I just felt my hand get squeezed.
And I what's going on in my mind is I thought there was an intruder in the house initially, right?
So like an intruder came in the house, and I know I'm feeling this.
I'm like, I'm this all happened in seconds, but I'm thinking, okay, I heard something, now this pressure on my hand, and it went tighter and tighter.
And I'm like, someone is squeezing my hand right now.
I have to act like I'm not feeling this because I don't know what's about to happen.
But then I started in the same vein, I'm like, if this was a home intruder, why would they do this?
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Like, so aren't they gonna wake me up?
Like, wouldn't they try to get in and out?
I'm thinking of this in a split second.
And the pressure is such that it actually begins to hurt, not hurt, like I'll get off, but like, oh, that's squeezing.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
You know what I mean?
And I'm like, all right, I am going to have to jump up and fight right now or something.
Something's happening here.
And I said, Are you awake?
Are you awake?
And I'm I'm like, I'm I'm I'm literally I'm awake.
I'm awake right now.
I'm laying here, I'm looking, I'm feeling my hand.
I am fully awake.
And I was like, I feel like I either have to count to three, jump up and get ready to fight, or I could I'm vulnerable and I don't know what's gonna happen to me.
I might just take charge of the situation, whatever I can.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
And I just took a breath and I was like, all right, here I go.
And I and I uh did they let go?
They let go.
I felt the pressure release off my hand.
And so that's when I was like laying there with it limp, and I was like, I'm gonna jump up right now, and I'll just whatever happens, happens.
And it was like nerve-wracking.
And I just jumped up in my bed, up so I was standing on the bed.
I like threw the things off, and I just like was ready to write, and there was nothing there on my door.
joe rogan
How long was something squeezing your hand for?
sal vulcano
Um I'll say less than 10 seconds.
joe rogan
That's a long time.
sal vulcano
Yeah, maybe Yeah, maybe like 10 seconds.
Because it was first it was on me, and then it was more pressure, and then more pressure, and then let go.
And then when I jumped up, no one in my room, door locked.
And so, and I was like, I'm up.
I was up.
I was just up.
I'm not like sleeping.
And it freaked me out.
I turned every light on, opened my door, walked around the house.
I almost like I was like, Do I leave?
joe rogan
Like maybe the aliens thought you were trying to kill yourself.
sal vulcano
What?
joe rogan
Maybe the aliens.
Maybe maybe that's what it was.
Maybe it was an alien came down like, hey buddy, you wouldn't have to be a little bit more.
Because I was wrapped up.
unidentified
Because I was wrapped up.
joe rogan
You're wrapped up with a tube coming out.
I was like, this guy might be off on himself.
We've never seen this before.
sal vulcano
I want an explanation.
joe rogan
They're like when the people sleep, they never sleep with their head covered.
We need to get in.
And they just went in and just grab his hand.
We need Sal to stay alive.
sal vulcano
It definitely looks weird from the outside when I sleep.
Like if you saw a picture of it, it looks like what the fuck's going on?
joe rogan
Shane was telling us a story the other night about how he had like a like you know they talk about like sleep paralysis demons.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
He had an experience.
joe rogan
He had an experience of like a thing standing over his bed with like a white face.
Like uh and he couldn't move.
Yes.
And I go, dude.
unidentified
How many documents by an lion?
joe rogan
No, he said he was sober.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He was younger.
Yeah, he was like, I think he said he was 23 or 24 when it happened.
sal vulcano
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
So I go, dude, you got abducted.
I think the aliens came.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Oh sh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that's what he was seeing.
I think he was waking up from it, and there was one right there.
And they had him paralyzed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know why I was.
sal vulcano
Why an alien would be in my bedroom.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's aliens that monitor a lot of people if they're real.
sal vulcano
And there's a lot of stories.
How'd they get in though?
Because that little thing is.
joe rogan
They can just close them.
They can just appear.
They go through right through walls, apparently.
sal vulcano
Doesn't matter.
joe rogan
I think if they've let if they've reached a level of technological superiority where they could travel instantaneously through vast distances in space, which is what they think they're able to do, like able to bend gravity and just and just like reappear on the other side, they just go right through your wall, bro.
unidentified
Okay.
sal vulcano
Why are they playing with my fingers?
unidentified
Because they like you.
sal vulcano
They're bending time and space.
They're traveling at they get to my my little one-bedroom apartment and they stand in there and uh and watch me with my CPAP and then squeeze my three fingers.
joe rogan
Maybe they like your sense of humor.
And they would like you to stay around and they think you're a positive contribution to the culture.
And they don't want to mess up the delicate balance of the human race.
They need more funny people.
Maybe that's it.
sal vulcano
It makes no sense though, right?
joe rogan
Of course it doesn't make sense.
UFOs don't make sense.
Aliens don't make sense.
sal vulcano
I don't mean the ghosts don't make sense either.
joe rogan
I don't mean someone grabbing your hand doesn't make sense.
No, it doesn't make sense.
sal vulcano
But I but I I it it just It sucks that I'll never have an answer.
joe rogan
Well, it could have been just a spasm.
And one thing that could happen is your hand could have locked up for whatever weird reason because it happens all the time.
It could happen with your foot, it could happen with the leg.
sal vulcano
Whatever it feels like to be locked up.
This this felt as as pure as can be like a hand like this doing this.
joe rogan
You ever be watching TV with your wife and and you start snoring and she goes, Are you asleep?
And you're like, No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you really were.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think maybe you thought you were awake, but you were like right there.
I mean, you're in the only explanation I got.
You got a tube in your mouth.
You get the CPAP, you're wrapped up like a mummy.
And then something's grabbing your hand.
Maybe you're dreaming.
sal vulcano
That thing would have been scared, probably scared when I jumped out with the mask on like aliens.
But but but here's the thing.
I really took inventory before I jumped up to fight.
Like I was like, I am awake.
I am feeling this.
I am not sleeping.
joe rogan
I know I'll feel the pressure on your hands.
sal vulcano
Yes.
Like I was saying to myself, I'm one you are 100% awake.
Like this is happening to you right now.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Aliens.
sal vulcano
Yeah, fucking what?
joe rogan
Aliens or ghosts.
sal vulcano
Um ghosts is what I thought, but what's the point?
joe rogan
Well, ghosts seem to be in places where people die violently.
Um like the comedy store is a good example of that.
The comedy store used to be Ciro's nightclub.
So it was owned by Bugsy Siegel.
So for sure.
Somebody got whacked.
unidentified
Whacked.
joe rogan
Somebody got whacked.
And uh you know, there's also talk that like they use the basement to do illegal abortions.
It's like there's a lot of like folklore around that place because it was a mob run nightclub.
sal vulcano
Stage.
joe rogan
But so many people that work there over the years that I was there.
So many people that like people that were like late-night bartenders or uh the security had experience.
Yeah, they all had weird a few comics, a few comics that were like reliable, reasonable people had bizarre experiences.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Carl Abeau was asleep on stage, and He said he he got kicked out of his house.
Him and his wife got in a fight.
Fuck you, I'm gonna make it.
You know, goes his girlfriend at the time, I think.
I don't even think it was the same person.
But anyway, he's at the comedy store sleeping on the stage, and he hears the seats clink around in the dark, like something's moving the seats.
And he goes, Hey, it's uh it's me, Carl.
I got kicked out of my house, so I'm just sleeping on the stage.
He doesn't hear anything.
And then all of a sudden, something grabs his ankle and drags him off the stage onto the floor and starts pulling him through the crowd and then just lets go.
And then he hears a door slam and then another door slam on the outside, and he's laying in the middle of the comedy store main room.
There's no people there.
He has no idea what the fuck happened.
He didn't see anything.
He just felt something grab him and drag him off the stage and into the crowd.
And he never he wasn't like a guy who'd made things up.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
He didn't have any other stories like that.
sal vulcano
But it's not like a one of the workers or another comic fucking with him.
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
They would have definitely told him after a while.
And also I don't think so because he didn't see them.
Like it he was like, I didn't see anyone grab me.
He's like, it's dark in there, but it's not perfect darkness.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
He's like, I didn't see whatever grabbed me and pulled me off the stage.
It's like maybe they didn't like someone staying the night there.
Maybe that's their time.
Like you want to do all your bullshit during the day with your bookkeeping, and then at night time with your stupid jokes.
But once you guys leave, it becomes the ocean.
It's mine.
Yeah, it becomes the ocean.
sal vulcano
It gets dark.
joe rogan
You just get to see a place where a bunch of people died.
sal vulcano
Damn.
Yeah.
There's a lot of suicide there, right?
joe rogan
At the store?
No, there was just one.
sal vulcano
That store at the hotel next to the club.
joe rogan
The guy jumped off the roof.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that was during the the days where the comics weren't making any money.
So what is this?
The comedy store popular nightclub.
So what does it say?
One of the snaziest, schnazziest nightclubs during the 40s and the 50s, built by nightclub impresario William Wilkerson in the late 1930s, Cyros offered top entertainment, a swanky hangout for Hollywood stars and other high profile people, including gangster Mickey Cohen, who used the club as his base of operations and had peepholes drills into walls so he could see who was coming and going.
While dancing, drinking, and dining went up on upstairs, Ciro's basement with the site of darker doings.
Mob henchmen beat, tortured, and killed those who did not repay debts, owned uh competing clubs, betrayed trusts, or crossed the mob in some way.
Pregnant showgirls and mob girlfriends received illegal abortions with at least one woman dying from her abortion.
Wait staff, security guards, and office workers are reported seeing a frightened man in a World War II bomber jacket who fades upon sighting.
What a f a huge black phantom in the basement and a man in his 1940s garb walking around the premises and through walls.
They have heard a woman wailing in the basement when no one was there, have experienced strange pranks such as chairs stacking themselves in the in the middle of the stage and perfectly set tables becoming unset.
Yeah, everybody that I knew that worked there for a long period of time had something weird happen.
A few guys saw things.
Like one of the guys, I forget his name, man.
It was like an old school comic that was hanging around there.
Said that one night when he was a doorman, he was going into the back bar area.
And some guy, he saw some guy walk through the swinging doors.
Um, you know, because there's like two sets of swinging doors.
So he walks in, and as he's walking in, he sees this guy go through the other set.
He's like, Hey, uh, we're closed, and he goes out into the hallway, dead empty.
I mean, instantaneously goes from seeing the guy walk through to hey man, we're closed.
There's a long hallway, and there's no one.
No no no one ran, no one nothing.
He's like, dude, I saw a guy.
He he pushed open the fucking the saloon doors.
And it's not just him.
Multiple people have had weird stories like that.
And I always wonder like if someone dies in some horrific way like that, that's like very violent, maybe it leaves like a memory.
Maybe it leaves like a stain of what you know the universe force, the peace love force of the universe is so disrupted by this vile act that it leaves this like a yeah, this haunted memory that exists in the space.
Because like they have to tell you if someone was murdered in a house.
sal vulcano
They do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I think there's a timeline.
You know, like you can't say.
1920, someone was murdered.
Because someone was murdered at our club.
Someone was murdered in our club in the 70s.
sal vulcano
No shit.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I forget the story.
But the point is, like, if you buy a house, like they have to tell you.
sal vulcano
They have to disclose it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Not every state.
joe rogan
Not every state?
jamie vernon
Some states California does, but Texas, it says it does not.
joe rogan
We don't believe in that down here.
We'll just bring in Jesus.
I'm doing this bit because my um many states, there's no duty to disclose a death.
Oh, so it's only California and Alaska.
What states make you?
Texas and Florida, you do not have to have a general duty for deaths unrelated to the property's condition.
unidentified
What if like a wall was splattered?
joe rogan
What if it's like how many states uh make you tell?
Those are the ones that believe in crystals.
Right?
California, right?
Doesn't it?
Doesn't it make sense?
Uh Alaska, California, and South Dakota.
Oh, yeah.
That's in the States.
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
So it's there's just a timeline too.
joe rogan
Oh, in California three years, and in South Dakota, they 12 months get over it.
unidentified
12 months.
That's so good.
joe rogan
Alaska says just within the past year.
Oh, a suicide too in Alaska.
sal vulcano
What is the point of the 12 months?
joe rogan
Get over it.
sal vulcano
Like who's who's putting that in?
joe rogan
Life moves on, Sal.
sal vulcano
We don't have to.
We don't have to let you know if it's more than twelve months ago.
joe rogan
That's actually shocking.
I would have thought it would have been way more than that.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
unidentified
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
That's crazy.
That it really is.
I have a I just recently um when uh my wife was not home for a few days, and I and uh when we were having the baby and everything, and uh I had to come home because I had work and I had to take care of my other daughter and stuff, and I was never in bed without my wife there.
Like I just it was the first time I was like laying in bed with her.
joe rogan
Oh, and that's when they come get you.
sal vulcano
That's when they got you, right?
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, because she can't defend you.
sal vulcano
Right, exactly.
No, do it.
This is a a new bit I'm doing based on something that happened to us.
So uh, you know, she sh I'm on the road now, like all the time for comedy.
So she experiences that, but I don't, and I was like, oh, this is I feel vulnerable.
Like, like what if like I'm thinking, what if some an intruder or a killer or something like that, you know?
Right.
So I'm thinking to myself, well, she's what's she c what's she gonna do if she's here?
She's not gonna do anything.
Like I and I started to think, well, oh my her being home is just a false, it's a the illusion of security for me.
She might yell, alert me to the to the killer.
joe rogan
Just you need one extra second.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get your shit together.
sal vulcano
She might yell, alert me that that could help, or the killer might kill her and be and I get away.
I don't want that to happen, but that's just like what it could happen right now.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
She's not there.
I'm like, I need I need something in this house.
I I don't have anything.
So I didn't think anything of this, but I I am as I Amazon primed the machete to the house, right?
So it came the next day.
She didn't come home until three days later.
So I had the machete in the house now.
Like I felt better, but I wasn't gonna get a gun.
I just, you know, whatever.
I I think I I couldn't get a gun that quick anyway, right?
So I don't even know if it's le whatever.
So I get this machete, I have it in the we have the king-sized bed, it's a split king.
joe rogan
Right.
sal vulcano
So I had it like in the crack of the bed.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
So when she came home three days later, she got home at night.
She hadn't been home in like six days.
She took a shower, she had major surgery, she was healing us, she just got in bed, and it was already late at night, and so I was in bed, and like we went in bed with her, and we shut the lights and I was laying out.
I forgot that I I I didn't tell her that I owned a machete.
I forgot that it was in between the bed.
So she so she felt it, and and she's like, What is this?
And I just was like I knew she wasn't gonna be happy about it, because I can't so it's just like you know, that's our machete.
We got we got we got a machete at Amazon Prime the machete, and she's like, you're not keeping the machete.
Long story short, my m what I was when I was laying there without her for a few days, I was like, this is not a good weapon because I'm gonna end up if an intruder comes, I'm gonna machete them, and then I we can't live here anymore.
You have to move.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to move.
sal vulcano
If you get into a machete fight with someone and you you you chop them up, you have to move right away.
joe rogan
Pretty much.
sal vulcano
You don't even stay.
Never mind things.
joe rogan
You don't clean up.
sal vulcano
You don't stay the next day.
And so I already started thinking, well, how do I sell this house then?
If I'm machete, like if I'm if I hit someone with a machete in here, they die right here.
That's bad for the listing.
But I don't have to disclose it now.
Now that I learned I don't have to disclose it.
Because I was like having an internal conflict.
joe rogan
Just hold on to it for a year.
Or do it one of those things.
In New York, you don't have to tell anybody anything, right?
Is that what it said?
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
unidentified
So what would the story I was worried about?
Oh, you gotta disclose it's like, are you a cop?
joe rogan
That's good, are you a cop?
People thought that was real.
unidentified
That is the dirtiest trick they ever pulled in the show.
No.
sal vulcano
You know if you machete someone, you have to tell us.
joe rogan
Oh you got me.
I'm an undercover cop.
sal vulcano
Yeah, that's funny, man.
joe rogan
It is funny when you really stop and think about it, because like that's such a crazy idea.
sal vulcano
That you have to.
joe rogan
That you have to tell them.
Well, they don't they lie about everything.
Like uh guys that infiltrate the mob, you know, like those kind of guys.
Imagine if you have to tell.
Are you an undercover cop?
sal vulcano
That's so funny.
joe rogan
Well, you got me.
sal vulcano
That that blows deep cover.
unidentified
It's like Joe Pistone.
joe rogan
I had Joe Pastone on the podcast.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, recently.
He's he's amazing.
sal vulcano
He's he's 18 months in deep undercover, and one of the guys like, are you a cop?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, because if you say no, and you really are, the case gets thrown out.
Could you imagine?
Imagine that's the rule.
sal vulcano
That's the dumbest rule ever.
Some type of like lore or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, just like some thing they probably did on a TV show.
unidentified
What?
sal vulcano
You know, you gotta tell you.
joe rogan
And people believed that.
When I was a kid, I remember people saying that.
If you're buying weed and the guy says that he's a cop, yeah, he can't.
Everyone wrestled you.
sal vulcano
I gotta ask him.
Same.
It's bullshit.
Complete bullshit.
joe rogan
Complete made-up stuff.
But those that's just one of those things you would hear when you were a kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Before the internet.
unidentified
You didn't get a chance because we just checked to see the truth.
sal vulcano
I thought it was real.
Like I I felt not that I was doing anything that would have warranted me having to ask, but like I did feel like a sense of like, I got something in my back pocket.
If if something's like, if I don't know, you know, like if I'm dr if I'm at a party underage drinking, and like, you know, you might be able to pull that out and rescue yourself.
joe rogan
Oh, you got me.
Get out of here, kid.
sal vulcano
The best is the follow-up where if if the cop says no and everyone's like, you know, you have to tell me if you are.
unidentified
Like, like then the cop came, oh okay, fine, fine, fine, fine.
sal vulcano
I forgot I had to tell you.
I forgot.
joe rogan
What's the origin of that?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's so do you think that was like uh a television show or a movie or something?
I bet it was.
I bet it was like a tool that they used in a television, or maybe it was like a CIA op to get people to think that they would be able to use that anytime so they don't worry about doing illegal shit.
sal vulcano
Psyops feel like the good answer for everything.
It does.
Although it's probably an episode of like Matlock or something like that.
joe rogan
Psyops also account for your hand grip.
Somebody gripping your hand.
There's some remote viewer reached out in some CIA basement, fucking focused on your hand and squeezed it.
sal vulcano
Do you know I only learned what Psyop?
I only learned the term Psyop with the drones recently.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
sal vulcano
Yeah, I didn't I never heard of that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You you never heard of psychological operations that are done on not just this civilization, but others.
sal vulcano
No, I never heard I mean at least framed as a psyop.
And then I was like, what is that?
And I was like, you know, because with the drones, man, I was if that was a psyop, I was fully psyoped.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know what that was.
You know?
Because they were gonna tell us, supposedly, and then they kind of just didn't.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
But no, I was waiting every day.
Trump was like, I'm gonna come when I'm in, I'm gonna give you the full download immediately.
It's ridiculous.
I'll let you guys know what's going on specifically.
And then it was it was he said someone he didn't then he never addressed, then someone else said to him, like, hey, what was going on with those drones?
Remember you gonna tell us?
And he was like, they're ours.
And that's all he said.
That was like that was like five weeks of I was watching drones outside outside my window every night.
I had I would have fucking binoculars.
Like my wife's like, go to bed, you're gonna drive yourself crazy.
I'm like, there's this 12 drones outside right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't discount the idea that they're not telling you the truth.
But they might have been ours too.
That's the problem.
It might have been someone else's.
That doesn't mean anything.
Yeah, but it doesn't mean it.
sal vulcano
But it's weird how the administration before him refused to say anything and let it get to a fever pitch where people started to feel like completely like not that I don't trust the government already, but like it's it got to a point where I was like, This is how are they allowed to just tell us, oh, you're not seeing it's there that's not what you're seeing.
Like it just was like I it was I was getting like really because now you know you think differently with kids and stuff like that.
I'm like, what's going on here?
I started like uh I started Amazoning like dry foods and like survival manuals and stuff.
I'm like, what is are we gonna go to war?
Like what is going on?
joe rogan
So there's a bunch of different possibilities, right?
And all of them they don't have to be truthful about it, nor would they be thi if it's a national security issue, it'd probably be better if they weren't truthful because people would freak out.
It's also the potential that they are ours and w they did them on purpose to see how people would respond.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So that's possible too.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That I think it's also possible that they're not ours and there's someone else who's flexing on us and they're doing it in a way where they're showing you we have technological superiority, our our stuff is way more advanced than yours.
And if there would be a culprit in that regard, in my mind it would be China.
sal vulcano
China, right.
That's what I thought at first.
joe rogan
China is so far ahead of the United States in drone technology.
They're so far the United States in electric car technology.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like they're doing some wild stuff over there.
They they make I mean, at least Taiwan does, makes all the semiconductor chips or a lot of them.
There's a lot of electronics that are being manufactured over there.
They're a very high level of sophistication for their engineering and all the design and all the stuff they're doing.
They're they're doing some I don't think they're light years.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Singapore light years ahead of us.
I think we're sleeping on how far advanced they are with certain stuff.
They do drone shows that will fucking blow you away.
They have synchronized drones that do like stories in the sky.
Have you ever seen them?
The Chinese drone shows?
sal vulcano
I've seen like just light drone shows here where they're like they form like an image or something like that.
joe rogan
See, this is the thing about regulations.
Regulations are good.
You don't want a bunch of drones flying around slamming into planes.
Right.
But the problem is if you only allow someone to fly these very sophisticated drones if they have a pilot's license, and then you regulate everything the way they do in America, and then you say you can't make this and you can't make that, and we can't have this and you can't have that, you're stifling innovation while in China they're going hog wild.
So they're not even thinking about regulating.
They're making the best stuff they can make all the time, and they have the best minds that they can have working on them.
Because they have to.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
Go f make me a fucking drone army.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
Jamie, pull up like the dragon one when they had the dragon in the sky.
Dude, their shit is so far beyond what we're doing.
sal vulcano
I know.
And that's why I thought and there was out there that that was them, and that was easily be that.
But then Trump was just like, yeah, it's just us.
unidentified
It's us.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what you have to say because if you say that China's flexing on us, oh my god.
Yeah, dude.
Like they Oh my God.
They have insane, and this isn't even the craziest one.
They have other ones that are even crazier.
Like these things are nuts.
sal vulcano
Oh my god, that's that's all independently flown.
Like every single one of those lights is.
joe rogan
Every single one of those is independent, they're all different drones, and they all are moving to the sink of some program they created.
sal vulcano
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
It's unbelievable, man.
And that's just the pretty stuff, right?
Now imagine if they're doing that, what kind of military stuff do they have?
What kind of stuff did they have that can block signals?
What kind of stuff that they have that maybe has some sort of a novel power source or a novel battery supply.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
My friend saw one of them that just hovered overhead.
He said this thing just hovered.
He said it was as as big as a fucking school bus and it was just hovering above his head.
In New Jersey.
unidentified
And he was like, What the fuck?
sal vulcano
They were like the size of like cars.
joe rogan
He said it wasn't a helicopter, it wasn't loud.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then it took off, and some of them they said when they were going after them, they shut their lights off and evaded pursuits.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They put jamming signals out so you you could you couldn't find their location.
They were doing weird stuff.
So if that is ours, then they're trying like look, if you're gonna do a real military exercise, that's how you would do it.
If you're gonna if you you're gonna say, okay, we're gonna we're gonna plan this out, but we're not gonna let the pilots know what's going on.
We're gonna start flying these things over and seeing how these jets interact with them in a real world environment.
Tell them not to shoot, give very distinct orders, not to be shot down.
Let's see how good they are at finding them, tracking them.
Let's like pressure test the system.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
So I if they're ours, I would say that would be a good way to do it.
I mean it seems a little unethical.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you also get two things at the same time.
You get the little psychological thing where you get to see how bad people freak out.
Some people might freak out.
Please look at my phone.
Do whatever you want.
Set an Alexa in my toilet.
Do whatever you want.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Just protect me from the drones.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can find out how people react to the UFO craze.
And then you can also find out how well our drones are at evading modern warplanes.
sal vulcano
Alexa in the toilet's not a bad idea as well.
Don't tell yourself sure.
joe rogan
You're going to have robots in your house that talk to you all day and and report what you say to the government.
sal vulcano
I do that now.
I do that now.
I I finally did chat G I did chat I was telling you I did chat GPT finally.
I was like I'm not going to do this.
I'm not going to do this.
I really don't want to do this and I was like I don't also don't want to be left behind.
Like if this can like you know so it's going to be inevitable.
joe rogan
And it's it's not just going to be inevitable.
I mean there's going to be versions of it that are gonna achieve things that you the greatest human minds couldn't even believe couldn't even believe would be possible within our lifetime.
That's what I think.
I think it's going to get to a point when they have artificial general superintelligence and it's what is it eight twenty forty nine what when the what's the year they think it's going to achieve like it's peak intelligence.
There's like estimations like a lot of these guys they point is it 2045 or 2049 there's like the Kurzweil guys didn't the because that was that conference that Ari and I and uh Duncan went to back in the day.
That was Kurzweil's thing I think it was 2049.
So if at 2049 like what is the AI look like then it's like some super creature some new type of life form you know some new super intelligent thing that we made and went finally they go finally you guys made it 2040 and 2050 with some placing a 50% probability around this time frame.
Predictions range widely with some entrepreneurs and AI leaders being more optimistic suggesting dates in the 2030s or even late 2020s while others expect it closer to mid century or later.
sal vulcano
Wow nah that's scary now I just talk I I pay the 20 bucks and I I uh I named I asked the I gave her a female voice or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
This is fun though.
I mean at least I'll have fun while I can with it and I just said uh I said what's your name and she said just chat no just chat GPT I'm like no baby you can have it.
Can I call you st can I call you stank ass.
unidentified
Whoa.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I just, just off the top.
I was like, I'll call you Stankass.
And she was like, I see, she goes, ah, it's a bit crass, but I, I, I get why it's funny.
Sure.
So I was like, cool.
Can you just call me big pimpin whenever you talk to me?
And she's like, all right.
And I was like, and whenever we speak, no matter what I'm asking, can you please speak in nineties hip hop vernacular?
And she's like, yeah.
So now that's just how like if I'll ask her something, she's like, yo, what up big pimpin?
unidentified
She's like, let me get you that, you know, let me get you those, uh, whatever.
sal vulcano
me find you a hydration tablet that's in the you know check it out do you know how many guys are doing that what you know how many guys are like falling in love with girls that they have AI girlfriends that's that's and I mean that's yeah that's fucked up but that's there's no doubt that's gonna happen.
unidentified
Hey Snakes you there Yo big pimpin I'm right here vibing with you what you need just hit me up and we'll keep it all hip hop and smooth legal that's so funny.
joe rogan
That's as far as I guess now and that's gonna be a person in your house.
One day that's gonna be a person in your house a really hot one in like a maid's outfit.
Not if I have anything to do with it not you but some guy out there listening he's gonna be talking to big pimp and we're we're gonna be in the Matrix in five years.
sal vulcano
Every time I come I can't leave here with a full blown new set of anxieties.
I can't do that.
joe rogan
You're gonna need them.
You're gonna need those anxieties for when society falls I can't you're gonna need to learn to use that bow and arrow I can't instead of this gym how about instead of the gym you just didn't take me just a little bow and our practice just a little bit.
Well just give me just give me enough like if someone's running on my lawn I could just take them out there's no such thing as a little show how to do it once but if you want to learn like a traditional bow and arrow setup I'm not the guy to do that.
Because the machete's not going to go that machete also the grip I don't like how close it is to the blade I don't like I don't like that either, yeah.
I don't like that.
Although I did watch two guys in a machete fight in the streets, and one guy chopped the other guy's hand off, and the other guy picked his hand up and left.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's on uh Instagram.
Tom Scura sent me that one.
sal vulcano
He picked it up and left.
joe rogan
Chopped his fucking hand right off, and that dude looked down, grabbed his hand and left.
He's like, I guess this fight's over.
I just lost a hand.
Let me pick up my hand and fucking ski battle.
sal vulcano
I mean, what do you think there?
I mean, I I guess this is better than dying.
joe rogan
I guess.
sal vulcano
He took the hand.
He's optimistic.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, maybe they could stitch it back on.
sal vulcano
Your hand gets chopped off.
You don't run, you get the hand.
joe rogan
Let's talk about the caliber of doctors available in a place where you can get your hand chopped off in a machete fight in the street.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right in front of a taco vendor.
The veterinarian.
sal vulcano
You gotta find a white.
joe rogan
Don't play it.
Don't play it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Okay.
Play it.
unidentified
Um I watch the son of a bitch.
sal vulcano
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
Oh my god, dude.
joe rogan
See, that guy already doesn't have a hand.
See?
sal vulcano
Oh my god.
No, I don't see, and I don't want to see.
joe rogan
See how he runs off?
He's missing his fucking hand.
sal vulcano
He's like, I said unleaded.
joe rogan
Bro, those guys hacked each other apart with machetes.
So look, he's missing his fucking hand.
Look at him.
He's like, where's your hand?
Oh, it's over here, bro.
And so this dude runs over and picks up his fucking hand.
Fuck on runs over.
sal vulcano
Oh my god, dude.
joe rogan
He grabs his hand.
Okay, we're done.
Please stop.
sal vulcano
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Please stop, Jamie.
Why, Jamie?
Why did you do that?
sal vulcano
I mean, he had to be in shock, right?
Because he was he was he looked composed.
joe rogan
Or that happens normally in his neighborhood.
You know, probably a bunch of one-handed dudes out there running around.
sal vulcano
How many times was that reattached before this?
No, he He strolled up to that.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
He strolled up to it.
sal vulcano
He had to be in shock.
That was the most non- It was like he was picking up a quarter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's obviously not a healthy individual.
His life circumstances are not the best.
sal vulcano
The two of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's nuts.
sal vulcano
And it wasn't like they were in the jungle.
They were at a gas station.
joe rogan
Crazy decision to make.
sal vulcano
What could they have been fighting over?
joe rogan
Probably a chick.
jamie vernon
Just the first one.
joe rogan
No, don't show me any more, Jamie.
jamie vernon
Not all video, but it talks about it happening in different places.
joe rogan
Of course it has.
I mean, imagine what life was like when people were sword fighting all the time.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a normal thing to carry around a sword everywhere.
sal vulcano
A lot of people had no I bet there was a very common to see people without limbs.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
sal vulcano
Like a big thing.
joe rogan
He's missing half their face.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
sal vulcano
What did they do back then?
Quarterize it or something?
joe rogan
Like how did they probably died.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet he got infected.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they didn't even know how to wash things back then.
So as soon as you you know, you get any kind of horrible injury, you're gonna get an infection.
sal vulcano
I just learned how George Washington died.
Did you hear about this?
No.
Did you never heard about how he died?
It's pretty fucked up.
He caught a common cold and then thought that he needed to um he needed to get his blood sucked out of him.
unidentified
What?
sal vulcano
And so he got people to put leeches on him.
And the leeches were just sucking the blood out of him, and it was like it was like a cold, and then he got infected, and he basically caught an emotion I guess he was he went out in the rain or something like that and got a cold, and then he it was a common cold and he put leeches on him, they sucked out his blood, and then he he was losing blood, and then he he he ended up doing more stuff to himself.
He basically killed himself.
unidentified
Jesus.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a common cold?
sal vulcano
It was a cold.
Yeah.
I I I didn't know.
joe rogan
How did he know it's just a cold?
I just long ass time ago.
sal vulcano
Yeah, well uh that's what the research says.
I mean, because on the show we made uh my buddy um Maybe this is the anti-leech lobby.
We reenacted his death, so there was like a there's a walking tour in New York City, like a historical tour, and it ends at Francis Tavern, which is the oldest bar, and that's where Washington hung out.
So he dressed him as Washington at the end of this tour and we put Leeches on him.
joe rogan
Oh god.
sal vulcano
But we pulled it from the actual story.
It's kind of wild.
joe rogan
That is wild.
And that's what killed him.
Fucking leeches.
It extracted a half a pint of blood.
Oh god.
A guy did.
So Rollins extracted half a pint of blood.
Washington favored this treatment, despite Martha's voice concern.
Should have listened to Martha, bro.
As he believed it cured him of past ailments.
Washton was also given to a mixture of molasses, butter, and vinegar to soothe his throat.
This mixture was difficult to swallow, causing Washington to convulse and nearly suffocate.
Jesus.
sal vulcano
And the sicker he got, the sicker he got, the more he thought it was the blood, so he kept telling them to add leeches.
unidentified
Oh god.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
A solution of vinegar and sage tea prepared for gargling.
He was bled for the fourth and final time.
It was later reported that a total of 32 ounces of blood was extracted during the last bleeding.
Some in the press criticize the practice of bloodletting used in an attempt to save Washington's life.
They used to think that that was a good thing back then.
That is nuts.
sal vulcano
Just drain all the blood out of himself.
joe rogan
Why did it who was the fucking genius in 1775 or whatever it was?
What what year did he die?
It had to be after that, right?
It's like 1799.
Like who's the wizard?
Who was that the topic?
sal vulcano
He c he commanded it.
joe rogan
Who was the Anthony Fauci of bloodletting?
It's both safe and defective.
And he's he got poor George, believes in that.
But somebody must have told him to do that.
It wasn't his idea.
sal vulcano
And he kept thanking them too.
He was like being gr gracious through it all, being like, Thank you so much for helping me.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
Uh five in the afternoon, Washington sat up from bed, dressed and walked over to his chair.
He returned to bed within 30 minutes.
Craig went to him and Lear reported that Washington said, Doctor, I die hard, but I am not afraid to go.
I believe from my first attack that I should not survive it.
My breath cannot last long.
Soon afterwards, Washington thanked all three doctors for their service.
Craig remained in the room at eight at night, more blisters and cataplasms were applied.
This time to Washington's feet and legs.
Is that what a leech is?
A cataplasm?
sal vulcano
I think so.
joe rogan
At ten at night, George Washington spoke, requesting to be decently buried and to not let my body be put in the vault in less than three days after I am dead.
Huh.
Maybe he just wanted to go.
You know?
It also could have been like think about that guy.
How many guys did that guy hack to death?
You know?
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
During the revolutionary war.
Like what what what shit did he see?
sal vulcano
A lot of machetes.
joe rogan
How many muskets to the face did he see?
You know, and he was at the front line.
Like that fucking animal waded into battle.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know.
unidentified
I stopped.
joe rogan
What at uh at that time and his life?
He's probably like, just take my fucking blood.
sal vulcano
I had enough.
joe rogan
1899.
How old was he when he died?
unidentified
17 yeah, 1799 rather.
joe rogan
How old was he?
unidentified
67.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
unidentified
He was done.
joe rogan
He was probably done.
He was probably done.
sal vulcano
I stopped watching Game of Thrones after season six just because I just because I couldn't.
I couldn't bear to see one more slit throat.
joe rogan
And you see what that guy went through.
sal vulcano
Yeah, he's yeah.
joe rogan
I know.
Game of the White Wedding got me.
I was like, am I really invested in this show?
unidentified
I stopped.
joe rogan
I don't know what happens after I like the walking dead when they baseball batted that dude in the head.
I was like, I'm out.
sal vulcano
Yeah, I only watched the biggest thing.
joe rogan
It killed Glenn with baseball batteries.
sal vulcano
No, you know what it was for me in uh in Game of Thrones, they put like a little girl at the stake and burned her at the stake.
Oh, that was like the end of season six, and I was like, why am I watching this?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sal vulcano
Like it's just it's not entertainment to me.
This is like this is like disturbing to me.
joe rogan
That show it at times was very horrific.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very horrific.
But also fucking awesome.
sal vulcano
Yeah, it was intense.
It was intense.
It was like cl really.
But I I I I don't I didn't care.
I was like, I can't watch another slit throat.
joe rogan
I know.
But there were some cool moments though.
You get past the slit throats.
There were some moments where uh Khaleesi had that dragon behind her, and you didn't see the dragon until like a couple of seconds before it burned the person.
She's talking to this person, and she I don't I forget what they had been guilty of.
Yeah.
But she's standing there, and then in the darkness behind her, slowly you just see this dragon emerge.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
This enormous head that's right behind her.
Is one of the fucking coolest scenes in any show ever.
sal vulcano
It's all drones.
joe rogan
And then it torches.
It looks so realistic.
That's what's so crazy about CGI.
sal vulcano
It was good to see all those characters get their comeuppins.
joe rogan
Everybody got their cover pins.
That was the craziest thing about that show.
Everybody died.
I mean the the the brother got his hand hacked off, and you're like, what the fuck?
He's got no hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When that dude got killed by the mountain, they crushed his head like a grape or remember that?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Other treatments they gave him during that period were enemas.
Woo.
And drugs to make him vomit and something called blisters, where they applied Spanish fly onto his throat, which caused a painful blister again to remove these terrible humors that are caused by the inflammation.
Humors?
jamie vernon
Maybe it's just should my Alex like tumors could have been there.
joe rogan
Oh, maybe tumors that were caused by the inflammation.
That doesn't make any sense.
Tumors.
But if the disease itself didn't get George Washington, the doctor certainly did.
Yeah, man, he probably wanted to go.
sal vulcano
He didn't have a disease, though.
He had just a cold.
unidentified
Yeah.
sal vulcano
And and it just was all of these things, blisters and the suffocating him with the molasses and the leeches and everything.
It's like, I didn't know that.
I had no idea.
joe rogan
Every time he closed his eyes, he probably saw a fucking bayonet through some guy's eyeball that he did.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He probably saw some dude's head that he bashed against a rock.
He probably saw some other good dude that he fucking battle axed in the head.
But they were a guy that he sh I know, but it's like no one knew what PTSD was back then.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one that you know, even in Vietnam they used to call it shell-shocked.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one knew what PTSD was.
And this guy had to have all of it.
sal vulcano
Right.
joe rogan
You know, he had all of it.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
I mean, he had plus wooden teeth.
joe rogan
Slaves' teeth, bro.
He had slaves' teeth and horse teeth in his mouth in a lead mold.
Shane has a hilarious bit about it.
unidentified
Oh, when he went to go visit the visiting the George Washington Museum.
joe rogan
It's a hilarious bit.
But the teeth are the creepiest looking fucking things you've ever seen.
sal vulcano
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was so creepy.
They just made this concoction to stick in his fucking face where they pulled all the rest of his teeth out and gave him this just full-on set of fake teeth.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, it looks insane.
Like, how bad was gum health back then that this guy had they had a full set of fake teeth?
sal vulcano
I can't even imagine being back then having a conversation.
joe rogan
Oh God, the breath.
sal vulcano
Just having a conversation with someone.
unidentified
Oh, just it's just a different time, man.
joe rogan
Well, if someone saw you walking down the street and they liked your shoes, they would just kill you and take your shoes.
sal vulcano
Just kill you.
joe rogan
They would look at your feet, see if they're close to their feet, just fucking kill you.
sal vulcano
Yeah, Washington couldn't wear Jordans anyway.
joe rogan
No Jordan's.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Right.
That is kind of happening today.
If you think about it that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Certain places.
unidentified
I didn't think about it that way.
joe rogan
But life is definitely way more barbaric then.
Way more barbaric.
sal vulcano
What's the most we put up with now?
I mean, really.
joe rogan
Well, for now, not bad, but when the robots come.
John Connor tried to warn us.
sal vulcano
It's wild to watch those movies right now.
joe rogan
I know.
sal vulcano
Those are kind of accurate.
joe rogan
Super accurate.
Like disturbingly accurate.
Like and we're just wading right into it, like, oh, we're gonna be fine.
This is fine.
sal vulcano
But we're all talking about it.
joe rogan
I forgot to tell you this when you were telling me about the scuba diving stuff.
My buddy Adam Greentree, he uh was free drive free diving, and these guys made you know they have those really long flippers, the free divers do that's what they're called, right?
Flippers?
Fins?
sal vulcano
That's what I was saying.
I didn't know.
joe rogan
Um these fucking guys made him this really cool pair and painted them fish scales.
And so no, it's not dope.
Because he swims in a place where they have sharks.
So he's spear fishing.
He shoots this fish and these bull sharks show up.
Because apparently, so many people spear fish that the sharks have figured out that the sound of that gun going off means there's gonna be blood in the water and a wounded fish, and they could steal it from the people.
And so as he shot the fish, these bull sharks show up and they bite his fucking fins off.
Both of his fins.
sal vulcano
But just the fins.
joe rogan
Just the fins.
Because they think the fin is a fish.
sal vulcano
Holy shit.
joe rogan
They don't know what the fuck he is, but they think his fins are a fish because they've got fucking scales on them.
sal vulcano
I'm sure the fish helmet didn't help either.
unidentified
No.
Did he have gills and shit?
sal vulcano
He was dressed as a fish.
unidentified
Imagine that's your next thing they make you do after they hear this sound.
joe rogan
We got something.
We heard you like scuba diving.
sal vulcano
They just uh I we talked about this last time, but I I'm not good with jump scares.
I I we talked about this.
Like I'm just not good with it.
They threw me in the horn as we talked about this.
joe rogan
Right, right.
sal vulcano
So we just wrapped season 12, so it was like one of the last things, it's kind of my fault because we were gonna put do this to cue.
We're gonna put him in a demolition derby and stuff, and then have him not be able to finish until he canceled this cable.
So insurance wouldn't let us do the demolition derby.
So now we're in like Halloween time.
They found this like this place in Jersey that's like a warehouse that they do like it's an insane haunted house.
It's like these people come in and get into makeup like two hours before, like it's like a really crazy one.
They put me in this thing, and I and I was on live on a live feed with an operator, and I could not leave the haunted house until I canceled my phone, internet, and cable.
unidentified
So I was in it for 42 minutes.
joe rogan
Oh, that's ridiculous.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
The first thing that happened was I got that it went live on the feed, so I'm hearing it.
I'm walking through this thing a fucking warehouse.
It's so so insane.
The first thing was that comes out and says, We are experiencing uh un unusual traffic.
You have a 12 to 17 minute wait time.
joe rogan
Oh god.
sal vulcano
So I'm going through the haunted house.
joe rogan
Well, that wouldn't make me calm down.
Like after you get scared a few times, like I get it.
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
No?
unidentified
No.
sal vulcano
What do you what do you mean you get it?
joe rogan
What do you get?
I get it.
sal vulcano
People coming after you the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah, but after a while I'd get used to it, no?
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
It got worse?
unidentified
It was it was like Did it ramp up?
sal vulcano
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was dude, it was it was like a warehouse.
It was like I I never was in it, I was never in the same room twice for 40 minutes.
It was like a huge, huge place.
Oh and so you didn't know themes changed and demons changed and everything.
joe rogan
Sounds fun.
sal vulcano
It wasn't fun for me.
I I'll tell you, I I this is an error in hindsight, I shouldn't have done this, but I I needed to know, because I said to them, I said, look, I just need if I'm really like if I need to breathe for a cycle, like if you're really messing with me and I need for real for it to stop.
I need you to let me know truthfully that you'll stop.
Because I can't do this.
My my my my nervous system is gonna be out of whack.
It just it just this is how I respond to this stuff.
And so they said yes, but I didn't believe them because I I've had this happen in the past, like where we we fuck with each other and we we don't tell the truth.
So I brought a taser with me because I or uh uh the stun gun, I brought one with me in there because it made me feel at least if I felt that I needed one of these people to back off from me and I took out the taser.
joe rogan
And then plug-up.
sal vulcano
No, I wouldn't tase them.
But I had it on me.
joe rogan
You showed them to scare it to them to scare them with it?
sal vulcano
And it came out.
It came out really.
Yes, because after the 17-minute wait time, this guy came on, and you have to think about this.
Like, I thought he was gonna continually hang up on me because I'm in a haunted house, like he's screaming and his whole music, and I'm screaming, I'm running around and so I said as soon as he picked up, I said, just listen to me, please.
And I'm I'm being dead serious.
I I have to cancel my cable right now, and I'm in a haunted house.
And there's no other time I could do it.
This is not a joke.
I need to stay on the phone with you, so you're gonna hear screaming and me screaming and things happening, but please don't hang up on me, please.
And the guy goes, I understand.
So he stayed on the line with me after he picked up like after like it was like 14 minutes.
So by the time I was like 30, 35 minutes in, and they said these people weren't gonna touch me, and they did.
And like I just my nervous system was completely shocked.
joe rogan
You weren't supposed to touch you?
sal vulcano
No.
joe rogan
What did the guy do?
sal vulcano
No, they would grab me, run up to me, jump from behind, like all that stuff like that.
And so I I I was like, uh part of me thought that it might be a little funny, but also like it they wouldn't come near me if I was going brrrr.
You know, like so.
I was like, this is my way.
And I took it out and I did it.
And I didn't realize though, like that like the afterward I found out that the guy that owns the place they were watching on like the closed circuit televisions, and he freaked out because like he's like, Whoa, he has a taser on like what is he you can't he can't do that.
Like, and you know, those people they're supposed to still come at me, but like when I but they played it really cool.
They would just like you know, like they they were like surrounding me and everything, and I was like just hitting the taser on him.
But I put it away after a few minutes, but I like it did give me like a respite that like they weren't going to give me.
But after I canceled the cable, they were like, it happened like sooner than they thought, so and they were like cancel phone.
Oh then I can't after I cancel phone they added and canceling internet.
So I stayed on with this guy I cancel phone internet cable it took forty forty two minutes.
Jesus but I got yeah but I had it I had the taser and I sometimes you gotta take you know into your own hands you know I understand.
joe rogan
So I did it would have fucked it would have really sucked if you actually tasered somebody though.
sal vulcano
I I had enough to not do that.
No.
Don't you want to know what it feels like when you have one I've been shocked really bad by large dog coll like dog shock collars yeah so I guess I I don't know if that's the same but what is the what is the the difference between a dog shock collar and a taser like but but there's also different kinds of tasers right there's like really powerful tasers and then there's tasers that are like I had they did this to me two times on the show and so I bad is it they it's it's so bad.
It might be online.
unidentified
They put them around my arms and legs at the same time all four four at the same time check to see if that'll kill you?
sal vulcano
They didn't and my my wife was like you have to go to the doctor because you can Yeah dude that's a lot electricity it was like a hundred times they shocked me right oh my God they made me give a museum tour.
So I was a tour guide in a museum I had him under my clothes and I couldn't let the people know that anything weird was going on.
So I'm giving a tour of this museum and the whole time they're shocking me under my clothes and I like can't let on to people in my tour group and I didn't want to feel the shock until I was on camera because I was like I'm not gonna take any extra shocks.
unidentified
Right.
sal vulcano
So they take they shocked me for the first time on camera and I I l I I almost jumped out of my clothes.
I was like I can't do this you can't do this.
joe rogan
I had to do it because you can't say no to a punishment hadn't been really vetted out.
It really wasn't four collars is probably too much like they could have killed you.
sal vulcano
Imagine well listen so the next season they did it again and I was at a seance and I was like a music psychic medium.
This is how fucking dumb I am because I think I did irreparable damage for real?
joe rogan
Because we went on tour after that all right here's the difference dog collar 400 volts to 7,000 volts taser 5000 volts sustain 1200 volts.
So it looks like initial 15 5000 volts sustained 1200 volts so a taser's a lot worse uh initially but go back again go back again Jamie but the thing is like you have four on so you don't have one dog you have four I just don't know where it's gonna come from oh I see yeah okay but if they held it down like you literally go like this like you can't move you go like oh that's crazy.
sal vulcano
Yeah I I'm saying it now and I'm like that this should have never happened all right well if they only did one at a time still that's a lot.
It's a lot dude that could really hurt you.
joe rogan
Like did they check your heart for you to check your heart did you go through an EKG or anything like that?
Man Jesus man that's silly.
sal vulcano
I thought it was like funny to do live.
It hurt bad but like so for the whole tour I would show like a clip from the television show and then be like oh I'm gonna tell you this story about like this time I did I tell you I have tattoos of Jaden Smith on my body like photo realistic tattoos of Jaden Smith on my thighs I don't think you did.
No is that something you had to do I had to do yeah so I I was telling the story of that while hooked up to the shock collars like at the at the show.
And so they could they called up someone from the audience and they stood behind me and they can shock me while I was doing this bit about Jaden like whenever they wanted and we did that throughout the tour.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
And I just always like thought like well if they do it to a dog it's safe that's all has Jaden seen this?
He he posed for that one.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
sal vulcano
But the first one he's 21 there the first one right there is when he was 15 he he didn't know about that one and I and I saw him in public and I showed him it.
joe rogan
What did he say?
unidentified
It was really weird Sal, that's so ridiculous.
It's on my thigh right now it was weird to keep it there or can you cover it up it was it the spirit was that I have to keep it forever.
joe rogan
Spirit what kind of bullshit show is that it's commitment to come up with some stuff to do to them to last for your whole life.
I know a commitment to the bit listen put something else on.
Put a puppy face over that thing.
sal vulcano
He uh he was it was that uh Comic Con and I saw him walking because he was dressed as Batman.
Jaden was dressed as Batman.
There was this like month in the press where he was walking around everywhere in a white Batman suit.
joe rogan
Okay.
sal vulcano
And I saw that white Batman suit on the and I was like, that's Jaden.
And I had it.
And so I ran up to him.
And I'm like, Jaden, you don't know me.
I'm sorry, but I had to show you this.
And I went to go low on my pants, and his security guard grabbed me by the neck.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
sal vulcano
And I was like, no, no, no.
And then the other security guard goes, no, I know who he is.
He's good.
And I showed him it.
And uh he was like, oh my god, this is the first one I've ever seen.
Like, you know.
And then as I'm showing it, I like kind of look up, and M. Night Shyamalan is staring at us because they did a movie together.
They were there promoting a movie after Earth, I think it was called.
Jaden Smith was in this air like this alien movie or this like out of space movie that M. Knight Shamlon directed.
And so I didn't realize because I I didn't look at M. What movie's that.
So M. Knight was just staring at me.
Show him he was 15 years old.
joe rogan
After Earth.
Danger is real, fear is a choice.
I don't remember that.
sal vulcano
Yeah, and then so I just looked up and I'm like M Knight's looking at me and I'm just like, oh hey man, he's like, hey.
joe rogan
Oh, Will Smith's in it too.
That's right.
Okay, now I remember it.
sal vulcano
Yeah.
And so then we shot the movie of like four or five years later, and uh they made me go to a movie premiere with him.
And afterwards there was a QA of the cast, and I they made me like wear Daisy Duke's like short shorts so that his his thigh was showing.
And uh I didn't know he was in on it.
He called me up to the stage, and I had to act like I was wearing a shirt that said number one Jaden fan.
So I had to look like a crazy person.
I'm like, I'm I'm the number one Jaden fan.
He calls me on stage and he goes, Ah man, that was when I was like 15.
I don't even look like that anymore.
You gotta update that.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sal vulcano
And I was like, what?
We left that stage, went right in that moment to uh tattoo polar, and he posed for the other the other thigh.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's commitment, dude.
That's how you get to season 12.
unidentified
That's how you get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Congratulations on that.
That's awesome.
sal vulcano
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
That's really kind of crazy.
Like, I didn't realize it's been that long.
But I remember when it was blowing up, everybody was talking about it back at the store.
They were talking about how you guys were doing these shows on the road and selling out places and killing it.
sal vulcano
Yeah, 2011.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
sal vulcano
We got like over 300 ups now.
joe rogan
It's amazing, dude.
Congratulations.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's really fucking awesome.
sal vulcano
Thank you, bud.
joe rogan
That's a huge accomplishment.
And it's got such an awesome following, too.
I mean, you guys have a huge following.
sal vulcano
Yeah, the fans are great.
The fans are great.
joe rogan
Um, and you're at Kill Tony tonight.
sal vulcano
I'm at Kill Tony tonight.
Um, touring right now, I'm doing uh the Chicago Theater in November.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a great place.
sal vulcano
The beacon, the rhyme.
I'm I've liked up like 50, 60 dates.
It's on Savile County Comedy.com.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All right, brother.
Good to see you, man.
sal vulcano
It's good to come back, man.
Thanks for having me.
unidentified
Pleasure.
joe rogan
Thanks for being here.
unidentified
All right.
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