Michael Button’s YouTube channel challenges mainstream history, citing 315,000–360,000-year-old Homo sapiens remains in Morocco and the 476,000-year-old Colombo structure in Zambia—evidence dismissed as anomalies. He argues climate shifts, supervolcanoes (e.g., Toba’s ~74,000-year eruption), or even non-human intelligence could explain lost civilizations, like Gobekli Tepe’s hunter-gatherer builders (~11,600 years ago) or Egypt’s pyramid mysteries. Rogan and Button critique academia’s rigid timelines, from the "out of Africa" theory to suppressed findings like Peru’s tridactyl mummies (700–1700 years old) with six-fingered bones, linking them to folklore and possible interdimensional life. Speculation on UFOs and government disclosure—like December 2023/January 2024 drone sightings over New Jersey—hints at hidden advanced tech or societal cover-ups, raising questions about humanity’s place in history. [Automatically generated summary]
So I studied ancient history at university for four years.
And I've always been interested in history.
I've done history all the way through.
Like, I was fascinated about history as a kid and got to the stage in my life when it was, you know, thinking about going to university.
So I thought, I'll do ancient history at university and study there for four years, graduated, all of that kind of stuff.
But there came a point during my degree where I was kind of, you know, a little bit, I didn't quite agree with the kind of high-level ideas regarding the timeline of history and what we're taught about our ancient past.
And it wasn't that I disputed anything that I'd been taught.
And I have like great respect for the people that I met at university and my professors.
And I don't dispute anything that we were taught actually on the course, but it was more the kind of high level macro perspective of history that I found myself having more and more questions about.
It was kind of the big questions regarding the origins of civilization and how deep civilization goes and how complex human behavior, you know, I thought went way back further into history than what we were being taught.
And I wasn't too, I just didn't buy this idea that nothing happened for like vast stretches of time.
Because it was during my course that they found that modern humans, they made this discovery in Morocco in 2017 or 2018, I think.
And yeah, they thought they were initially Neanderthal because of this age, but then they discovered a few more and they classified them as Homo sapien.
And when I saw that, I was like, how is this not kicking up more of a fuss?
Because before then, the oldest Homo sapien remains we had were around 200,000 years old.
And that had been the case for like a decade or something.
And before that, it was like 100,000 years old.
So this discovery pushed back the age of our species by another third, like 100,000 years.
So I saw that and I was thinking, like, how are we still basing our kind of idea of history around the fact that nothing happened for, you know, 310,000 years?
And then everything happened in like the last, you know, 10,000 years since the Neolithic Revolution.
I just thought that was odd because, you know, we've been in this anatomically modern form for so long.
And yet we were being taught that nothing had happened until, you know, the last 10,000 years.
And that just didn't make sense to me.
So that's kind of where I started thinking about it.
And then we did this module at university, I remember, called, it was called something like cataclysms or something and it was all about how in recorded history natural disaster had a big impact on human societies and stuff like that and how it small like tiny changes in climate could massively disrupt human civilization and bring them all crashing crashing down and the case study they used was something called the late bronze age collapse have you ever heard the late bronze age yes yeah it's when all these like powerful influential civilizations at the kind of peak of human progress around 1000
DC all simultaneously came crashing down and no one was quite sure why it was but the best theory we have is that it's um like a kind of combination of climate factors which led to trade disruption which led to societal unrest and then all these empires like the Hittite empire the Syrian empire the palaces of Mycenae in Greece uh the Egyptian new kingdom all within a 20 to 30 40 year period all came crashing down the exact same time and I remember being hooked by that I was like that's so crazy like we don't even know why this happened but it was like a half degree change in
climate and so I remember starting to research how you know bad climate had been during history and how bad it had been like these big climatic episodes had been during prehistory and I started thinking like wow if that had caused all these civilizations to collapse just a tiny half degree change in climate which caused drought which led to those civilizations collapsing some of the stuff that had been happening during prehistory was so much worse than that and that got me to think about how could we do something about it and I think that's what I was thinking about and I think that's what got me thinking like how do we know that sophisticated human culture hadn't flourished you know
10,000 years ago 20,000 years ago 100,000 years ago 200,000 years ago and collapsed due to climate change or a natural disaster volcanoes comet impacts anything like that and that's kind of what set me on the journey that along with the uh you know the discovery of the remains in Morocco and that really got me thinking about the story we've told regarding our past and how I think that's what I'm trying to do is to kind of break away from the traditional timeline that we were being taught
the term prehistory is weird isn't it because it's like according to what what we find yeah you know I mean how do we know what historical if there was a great cataclysm like if the younger dryas impact theory is correct what you know how much history would be written down what would be left how would you find it what would you know yeah you know we're we're that's one of the things that disturbs me the most is the arrogance that some academics have to having a definitive understanding of the
exact timeline of agriculture civilization and then modern humans yeah it annoys me I feel like academics as opposed to the alternative historians are kind of more saying we don't know but here's a potential hypothetical scenario that could be possible whereas I feel like more mainstream for want of a better word I don't really like using that because I don't think there's such thing as a mainstream it's not like there's a group of people that all collectively decide but some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and
scientists seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past and that's just stupid like how can anyone know about what happened a hundred thousand years ago or two hundred thousand years ago and it kind of gets gets me a little bit riled up because at the end of the day none of us know what happened back then so I think a lot more possibilities are you know possible than than what many people appreciate and yeah did you ever see there was a video documentary back in the day where a man was talking about something about the mysteries of the
Sphinx and there was this archaeologist that was mocking Graham Hancock's ideas and Dr. Robert Schock's ideas about the timeline saying you know talking about things that existed pre 10,000 years and he was talking about the time line and he was talking about the
years and he was saying whatever he was like laughing what evidence is there of any civilization from 10,000 years ago this was literally I think around the same time that they discovered Gobekli Tepe like that this guy was mocking Mocking it.
I think slightly thereafter they discovered Gobekli Tepe, which threw everything into a tizzy because now you've got something that was absolutely covered, they believe intentionally, somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 years ago.
Yeah, I think Gobekli Tepe is the biggest kind of smoking gun, at least for the idea that civilization is older and more complex than the traditional model suggests, because obviously, as you say, it's like 12,000 years old and it's massive megalithic pillars.
I mean, you know about Gobekli Tepe.
Probably most people listening to this will know about Gobekli Tepe, but it's such a clear sign that sophisticated human culture was present way earlier than the conventional timeline suggests.
And I think that at least should throw a monkey wrench into a lot of these people's ideas regarding human civilization and when it began, because clearly the toolkit for civilization existed 12,000 years ago.
So why couldn't it have existed a little bit earlier than that?
And why, if it existed then, did it then take another 6,000 years for it to emerge in ancient Sumer, which is the kind of traditional thought to be the earliest civilization.
So Gobekli Tepe is fascinating.
I love it.
It's a really interesting site.
I think it will one day be classed a civilization.
I'm almost certain that when enough time passes, we'll kind of look at that.
And because it's a whole culture, the whole Tashta Pella culture, there's like 14 sites at least.
And they all have this kind of megalithic architecture.
They all have shared symbolism.
They all are clearly connected.
Like, it's crazy how it's not defined as anything other than hunter-gatherers.
And even if you think that hunter-gatherers built Gabekli Tepe, then you need to massively update the definition of what a hunter-gatherer is, because clearly they had surplus.
They weren't just building these sites in their spare time.
And yeah, it's a truly paradigm-shifting site.
But I mean, everyone kind of knows about Gobekli Tepe now.
Not everyone, but also, as spectacular as what they've discovered so far is, they have only unearthed 5% of it, which is even more bizarre because you've got so much stuff that's underground.
You have no idea what's on those pillars.
You know, there's speculation that one of the pillars from Gobekli Tepe that is unearthed is some sort of a calendar of events.
And they believe that it depicts some sort of a disaster.
Like that these, whatever, how they're making these images to be associated with either an impact or something, but there's a timeline that's inscribed in these pillars.
Yeah, there's like a study that was written or a paper that was written and they think it's the pillar 43, I think it is, is kind of like a cosmic calendar and it's like almost a prediction model of an impact that could happen or already has happened and it's like a warning for the future.
I mean that is still disputed, but I mean there's been good research that's done into that that suggests that's what it is.
And it's certainly a site that has cosmic alignments and has been built with the stars in mind, which is something that we can say about so many ancient sites around the world, which is another thing that isn't really considered by, you know, quote-unquote mainstream archaeology perhaps as much as it should be.
So yeah, it's a fascinating site.
And I really think it displays a lot about how human ingenuity and civilization, I mean, people get a bit stuck with the word civilization because we have this very narrow definition of what civilization is.
And it's basically based on the old model of Mesopotamia, which is ancient Sumer.
And because that was the earliest known civilization for so long, we kind of constructed this whole idea about what a civilization is purely based on Mesopotamia.
But I don't see why that has to be what civilization is, because that was just one civilization.
And just because that was the earliest one we'd found for a long time and still is thought of as such, doesn't mean that that's the only way that humanity can flourish because humans are so adaptable.
We do so many different things and we're clever in different ways and we, you know, change the different environments.
And I think that definition has really kept a lot of people kind of boxed in when thinking about how sophisticated human culture could flourish in different places in different environments and with different pressures.
And I think that's kind of forced people to not consider what other possibilities are out there.
I think it's even more fascinating if you consider the fact that ancient Sumer and that part of the world from about 6,000 years ago is where they're sort of hanging their hat saying that this is the birthplace of civilization.
But if you do have this evidence of Gobekli Tepe and then we are talking about some sort of an ancient civilization that lived 12,000 years ago, like what happened?
What happened?
Like what was the gap between that and then it took 6,000 years before they started civilization back up again, sort of a reimagining of civilization, which makes you really, at least makes me really consider the possibility of a cataclysm because if the people that survived, whatever they would be, you know, I mean, they would probably be living off the land, they'd probably be barely getting by and barbaric for a long, long time.
And if it really took 6,000 years to kind of like settle down again, that is fascinating to me.
And it all ties into this idea that we've had that agriculture leads to civilization.
But there's that bizarre thing that, you know, agriculture appears in multiple different places at pretty much the exact same time all over the world.
And that's never made sense to me because if agriculture was such a kind of vital invention for civilization to flourish, then why did no one invent it for, you know, 310,000 years?
And then in South America, in Mesopotamia, in ancient China, and you could argue there's other different places that, so say there's like South America and there's Central America.
I mean, you could argue that's potentially connected, but a lot of people say it isn't.
So how can agriculture, if it's such an incredible invention, be invented by multiple people at the same time, but no one else thought of it before?
I think the idea is, the idea always has been that it's because of the climate, right?
So because of the Holocene, which is, which began around 12,000 years ago, as we came out of that and we had kind of stable climate conditions that we still live in today, that's what enabled the invention of agriculture, right?
But then the question I always ask is, well, what about all the other warm periods that have come in the past?
If, as the idea is that, you know, stable climate led to agriculture, then why couldn't such a thing have happened in the Eemian period 120,000 years ago?
There's been four distinct warm periods that have lasted for like over 10,000 years while modern humans have been around, at least.
And obviously, these Morocco remains of Homo sapiens, it's unlikely they're the earliest Homo sapiens that ever lived.
They're just the earliest we've found.
So we could be even older than that.
So considering we've been through four distinct warm periods before the Holocene, and if the argument is that the Holocene was what led to the invention of agriculture due to the stable climate, then why couldn't it have happened in the earlier warm periods?
That's a question I've always asked myself and been fascinated by.
So I kind of always ask the question, like, what if human culture had flourished in the Eemian, for example, which was from 130 to 115,000 years ago?
What realistically would survive?
Because it's such a vast, vast length of time that it's really unlikely, at least as far as I can tell.
And obviously I'm not a scientist.
I'm not like a materials.
I'm not any kind of, I'm just a guy.
I'm not even a historian, technically.
But as far as I can tell, it's extremely hard for these, for any materials, but even our modern materials in our huge civilization that, you know, 8 billion people, industrial society, sending rockets to space, all the crazy stuff that we're doing, even us, if we disappear tomorrow, I think it would be extremely unlikely that pretty much anything would survive when you get up to these huge time scales of like 100,000 years.
And so I've been doing quite a lot of, you know, research into this because I don't, I obviously don't want to, you know, get things wrong and put falsehoods out there and mislead people.
I don't want to look like a dickhead in front of like millions of people or whatever.
So I've been trying to like, you know, debunk myself or play devil's advocate to myself on this point because, you know, that's the best way to make your argument airtight and no one's really out there debunking me.
I don't know if that's because I'm right or because like no one knows me.
Maybe that would change after a show like this.
But I've been really looking into the kind of degradation of modern materials as much as I can and trying to work out how much would survive from a civilization like ours if we disappeared tomorrow in 100,000 years time.
They would go like concrete would crack and you get CO2 in there and freeze-thaw weathering and over these huge time scales of like 5,000 years, 10,000 years, it would just crumble down into dust and be absolutely imperceptible.
Obviously, these, I mean, I'm just doing this off the top of my head.
I haven't got any notes in front of me or anything, but as far as I could tell from my research, it's going to be a few like 10,000 years, 20,000 years max.
It's not going to get up to these time scales of 100,000 years.
Yeah, because there's just, it's just such an incredible amount of time that all these materials that we build with are just going to corrode and they're going to rust away if they're metals, they're going to oxidize, they're going to flake until they're just tiny little fragments that just disperse in the sedimentary record and they're just invisible to see.
And same with concrete, same with even things like glass.
I've heard a lot of people say that glass would potentially survive because glass is a, you know, it's a very durable material and glass would survive a long time.
But glass in the form of a human-made recognizable artifact isn't going to survive in that form.
It's going to get crushed.
It's going to break away into tiny little nano fragments, into silica grains that are just invisible in the kind of archaeological record when you get up to these huge levels of time.
And yeah, I mean, I would say almost nothing would survive that long.
And again, with the caveat that I'm just some random dude who's investigated this on the internet and researched this myself, not a scientist.
If anyone out there is a material scientist, I encourage them to reach out to me.
But as far as I can tell, there are very few things that could possibly survive that long.
I mean, we're pretty crazy fucking apes.
Like, we do crazy shit.
So things like nuclear weapons, like we test nuclear weapons in the atmosphere.
You could argue if we knew when to look and what to look for, we could see traces of plutonium in the atmosphere from our nuclear weapons testing, or you could see our nuclear waste deposits.
Or things like carved stone, because stone obviously survives a very long time.
Human carved stone, you'd be able to find that.
But we do find that.
We find, you know, stone tools.
But just because ancient humans used stone tools doesn't mean they didn't use anything else.
It's just stone is the most likely thing to survive.
And the crazy thing is, like, do you, Joe, do you know how many sites we have, Homo sapien sites from more than 100,000 years ago?
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I mean, that's the weirdest ones is when you see them get invaded in the Amazon, when you see them contact these people and they're pointing bows and arrows at helicopters.
And as you say, right now we're sending rockets to space and people are living in very traditional ways of life.
That just because we find traditional ways of life in, I repeat, nine sites to cover 200,000 years.
In my view, that's just what we can see.
That's just the only that kind of points to my point regarding what would possibly survive.
Because if you think of all the human lives, stories, cultures that have potentially existed for our whole species' existence, if we only have nine little glimpses from, and to be fair, that nine is you could say it's up to 15 because some sites are debated.
But either way, it's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of human, you know, signs of human life.
Just because in that fragment, in that snapshot, in that slither, all we see is some humans with stone tools in caves, doesn't mean that nothing else was happening.
Well, a good piece of evidence to that that would point in that direction is Egypt.
Because Egypt, even if you accept the conventional timeline of Egypt, which is 2500 BC for the Great Pyramid, go look at the rest of the world at 2500 BC.
And they would arrogantly dismiss any other explanations, which is really weird.
When you're talking about these immense structures that are baffling, absolutely baffling to anybody who's being honest.
What is your take on these Italian researchers that are looking at the tomography and they're looking at these things that they believe are underneath the Great Pyramid and some other structures in Egypt?
But I mean, I think there's definitely something below the Giza Plateau.
Like, that's always been written about in ancient sources and these kind of scans and then people kind of have stories of people going down into labyrinths that aren't accepted by Egyptology.
And there's definitely massive mysteries surrounding Giza and the construction of the pyramids and what could potentially be below the pyramids.
And this kind of new pyramid scan project has the potential, I think, to make big progress in understanding what is below Giza.
But I don't know, until there's better data out there, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions and declare that this is like evidence of a lost advanced technology civilization or anything.
They probably try, mate, because it already doesn't make sense their explanation for the construction of the pyramids being wooden sledges and stone chisels or whatever they say.
It already doesn't make sense.
It's already so ridiculous that I wouldn't even be surprised if they tried to explain away these things.
I mean, I'm not an expert in ancient Egypt by any respect, but it's always baffled me that they're so determined that the pyramids are tombs just because some later pyramids have had, you know, mummies and pharaohs and sarcophagi found inside them.
The whole of like ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in general just doesn't make sense to me because when you look at the Sahara Desert and the fact that it was green for 9,000 years and then it stopped being green at precisely the time that we're told ancient Egypt emerged.
That doesn't make sense.
That defies how civilization works.
Why would a civilization only emerge after the climate got worse?
And so little research done in sub-Saharan Africa where they've actually gone into the ground and done like large-scale research of these immense areas.
You could fit anything in there, like a whole pre-seeding civilization for 9,000 years leading up to ancient Egypt.
Like it's the perfect place.
It's right by Mesopotamia.
It's right by Egypt.
And yet we have this blank spot for the 9,000 years before the development of civilization, which is kind of also the gap between, I mean, it's a little bit less than this, but the gap between Kebekli Tepe and the birth of civilization.
We have this huge area which would have been perfect for civilization, full of rivers, lakes, grasslands, perfect climate, and it's just missing.
So my theory is that things were happening in the Sahara Desert when it was green in the Green Sahara for those 9,000 years.
And then because it was really quick, that's what I don't think people realize is that when the Sahara Desert turned from, you know, green, lush paradise, whatever you want to call it, to a desert, it was like a few centuries.
It's called rapid desertification.
And it flipped, not overnight, obviously, but in a few centuries compared to 9,000 years, it's a rapid change.
And for any kind of culture that was living there, you wouldn't have noticed it straight away.
But in 50 years, you'd be like, fuck, it's getting a bit hot here.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, shit is going on.
And then I think maybe people migrated to the last stretch of green that was still available to them, which was the Nile River.
And then the kind of survivors or the migratory populations developed around the Nile River.
And using the kind of experience and knowledge that they had from their lives and the kind of history of their cultures in the Green Sahara period, that is what led to ancient Egypt.
It's also just an assumption that ancient Egypt didn't exist alongside that or even previous to that, which is also possible, especially when you consider what Robert Chalk thinks about the erosion, the water erosion, the Temple of the Sphinx.
Yeah, the kind of explanation away of that also never made sense to me that it's wind and sand, because when you see pictures of the Sphinx, even from when they kind of found it in Napoleonic times, it's buried in sand.
And there's records from the Egyptians themselves who, you know, took, excavated it effectively, because it was covered in sand.
So if it quickly gets covered in sand, how could it be eroded by wind and sand if it doesn't take very long for it to kind of get filled up with sand?
You know, and when you those whales that were the whale, the valley of the whales, it's just about, I don't know how many miles south, but it's south of Cairo.
And then it makes you wonder, like, how did those bones survive?
Like, why are they there?
Like, how quickly did they die?
How quickly did they get covered up by sediment that they could find them all these years later?
Because that's the weird thing about fossils and bones in general, is that most of them you're never going to find because they get eaten, they deteriorate, they're gone.
Like, it's very difficult to make a fossil.
You know, when you think about our quote-unquote fossil record, it's really weird because it's hard to make a fossil.
So, we're dealing with a very small amount of beings that get turned into a fossil.
And that is what we're using as our understanding of life.
I'm not sure when was the geno when the Sahara was covered in water.
I'm not even sure when that was.
I mean, some people say that there's like a mass flood during the kind of younger dryest period, which I think is I think they're talking about millions of years ago for these bones.
But even not too long ago, like, you know, kind of 12,000 years ago, whatever, they had these massive river systems, like the Taman Russet River system.
And this is something I talk about a lot in my videos because I think it's a crazy find and I don't understand why it's not kicking up more of a fuss.
Like, if I'm the guy that has to kick up the fuss about it, then I'll be that guy because basically, the idea has always been that humans were nomadic hunter-gatherers that moved with the seasons and lived in caves or just kind of walked around for all of our history until the Neolithic revolution, the invention of agriculture 12,000 years ago.
And no earlier than that did we ever settle down and live in permanent settlements.
But the Colambo structure was something they found a few years ago in modern-day Zambia.
And what it is, is this these pieces of wood, and I'll get to the point about why this wood has survived in a minute because obviously, you know, wood surviving this long is crazy.
But there you go.
Yeah, so the Colambo structure is these pieces of wood that have been joined together deliberately, cut in notches and connected together, tapered and secured at right angles.
And they think it was either a kind of raised walkway, like a kind of raised platform, or a house, a dwelling, a hut, some kind of structure.
And why this is so paradigm shifting is because not only does this kind of scream that humans potentially lived in permanent settlement, so sorry, I haven't even said this, This is 476,000 years old.
But what they attribute it to is Homo hedelbergensis, who's our last common ancestor with Neanderthals.
So they're kind of the human species that came before Homo sapiens.
So I guess you're right.
It could have been Homo sapiens, and we're just not sure how old we are.
But it's kind of attributed to Homo hedobogensis.
And the only reason this structure survived at all is because pretty soon after its construction, it must have fallen into a bog.
And then that bog kind of got solidified over by the sun.
And then it was preserved in waterlogged sediment, which protected it from decay for almost half a million years until it was discovered by us recently.
I would say it's a massive monkey wrench because not only does it kind of really dispute this idea that we didn't settle down until, you know, 12,000 years ago with the Neolithic Revolution.
Because, I mean, it's a structure.
I mean, and it's just because it's so unlikely, it's so unbelievable that this would have survived.
But that kind of suggests that it's not the only one.
Because we don't dig that far and look for anything sophisticated because we think, you know, nothing happened back then.
And then you find this.
And it really suggests that humans were living in much more complex societies.
And I mean, the fact that they had the cognitive capacity to plan, structurally engineer and build a structure completely flies in the face of what we've always thought about ancient humans.
Because we've always had this idea that there's been this very popular idea in kind of mainstream historical thought that humans only got smart around 50,000 to 60,000 years.
years ago.
And that's just Homo sapiens.
We've always thought that other human species never got smart, never achieved what we call behavioral modernity.
And this has always been the kind of idea that we went through this cognitive revolution around 50 to 60,000 years ago.
And the most obvious proponent of how entrenched this is in kind of academic thought is, have you ever read the book Sapiens?
It sold something like 60 million copies worldwide.
By far the most popular book about prehistory and the story of Homo sapiens ever written.
And sapiens didn't kind of do anything new.
It didn't, I think Harari himself would admit this.
It didn't, it didn't, it kind of just collected the consensus of academia and presented it in a nice, digestible way to the kind of layman audience.
But he took this idea that's always been present in academia regarding human intelligence, which is that while we've been around for quite a long time, we didn't achieve behavioral modernity until 50 to 60,000 years ago.
And that's when we started apparently displaying complex cognitive traits like abstract thinking and planning and burying our dead and art.
Yeah, exactly.
And complex language and things like that.
But this just completely flies in the face of that.
Because if we had the capability to plan, construct and engineer a structure 476,000 years ago, that means, you know, mainstream anthropology was off by over 400,000 years regarding the advent of intelligence and the advent of permanent living.
And that's, I mean, that's quite the error.
400,000 years.
Exactly.
So that kind of suggests they could be off by similar margins about other developmental claims because, I don't know, that's a big, big error.
Well, it's also when you think about the history of the Earth, there are times that we know that there was like there's great bottlenecks that occurred because of some sort of a massive natural catastrophe, like the Toba volcano.
Well, you're thinking about what evidence there is.
And then you think about, well, there's no one left except a few thousand people 70,000 years ago.
So it's possible that there's been this rise of some sort of a civilization and then massive catastrophe and a rebuilding.
Just like if we're talking about the Younger Dryas, which is in this time period, we're talking about, you know, when you're dealing with 476,000 years ago, fairly recent, right?
Well, in terms of your theory that I thought was one of the most interesting ones that you brought up, that in your videos, you were talking about how anatomical humans, just based on what we've agreed to, based on what we found 300,000 years, like what are the possibilities that there have been civilizations that emerged and were destroyed, and then there's no evidence of them.
Yeah, because I mean, aside from the preservation problem, which we kind of already talked about when you get up to these massive time scales, you know, very little is going to survive, especially when you think about what early humans were likely building with.
Just look at what we know about the Amazon now because of LIDAR and because of, you know, what is his name?
Percy Fawcett.
Percy Fawcett.
Because these people that made these journeys down there looking for these complex civilizations that at one point in time, now we know did exist there.
And just 100 years later, they called those people liars because they went back to the same place and there was nothing left.
That's always been, you know, thought of as myth or pseudoscience that it's kind of that most popular idea of lost civilizations was civilizations of the Amazon and it was always dismissed.
Or if you look at Chernobyl, the kind of exclusion zone where no one lives, it's already like trees everywhere and nature is already taking root after less than half a century.
And one of the things that I find very promising is that a lot of young academics are embracing a lot of alternative ideas, whether quietly or whether they're doing it publicly.
Yeah, well, I think the advent of the internet and, you know, shows like this or the medium of podcasting has really kind of democratized the access to information and allowed people with theories that potentially wouldn't have been able to get out there in the pre-internet age where they were kind of, you had to go through a kind of academic institution to get a theory heard or debated.
Now anyone can say anything for better or worse, and that can reach millions of people.
And then, if it's an idea that's popular, then it can kind of be in the public eye and then it can be debated properly.
And I think that's only a good thing.
Obviously, there are negative aspects to that, but I think that will increase ideas regarding prehistory, for example.
I think it will increase the rate in which these things will get accepted because once the evidence is out there, and once you start, you know, talking about the Colombo structure, for example, and how it completely flies in the face of both these paradigms regarding permanent living and human intelligence, it's out there now.
People can look it up and people can see that this is completely kind of opposed to what we've always been taught regarding prehistory.
So that's why I don't get why people make these definitive conclusions and then don't allow anybody to kind of speculate or hypothesize about anything else.
And when I, I mean, I don't agree with absolutely everything Graham Hancock says, but when I look at, you know, these ideas of, you know, human intelligence potentially stretching back 500,000 years as displayed by the Columbus structure or permanent living, and I would argue that it could go back a lot further than that.
When you look at, when you kind of take into account that these abilities could have stretched back half a million years, when I then look at someone like Graham's work, it seems so plausible.
I don't see why it's seen as so outrageous that, because 12,000 years ago, which is kind of when he proposes there could have been a, you know, a sophisticated civilization that was potentially wiped out by a cataclysm.
When you look at that from the perspective of, oh, yeah, we've been intelligent for half a million years, it doesn't seem very, it doesn't, it seems very plausible to me.
To be fair, the guy that found it, the archaeologist that found it, said that he never could have imagined that pre-Homo sapien, and again, it may not be pre-Homo sapien, it could be Homo sapien, but he said it's completely paradigm shifting that they had the capacity to plan and build something like this.
But again, there's no fuss about it.
It's just a paper was written and it was put out there.
Yeah, I mean, more of these conversations and more people have to understand that these things are being discovered and that we are kind of confused about so many things about human history.
And we're being told that, no, there's people at the universities that have all the answers and that it's literally not possible that they're telling the truth.
It's not possible.
And that's why I get so excited about the structures under the pyramid because it's a gigantic fuck you to all those people.
It would be the most gigantic fuck you of all time if they found out those that those scans are accurate and there's these pillars that are wrapped in coils that go down like hundreds of meters and then below them there's additional structures and the whole and they think it's all connected as well.
Yes.
Which is like if Christopher Donn is correct about it being some sort of a power plant and that reveals like how the thing worked and functioned.
An immense leap that is, like Terence McKenna used to say, it would be bizarre if it was a liver of an otter that doubled over a period of that amount of time.
But the fact that it's the very organ that allows us to contemplate and to understand human existence in the first place, and that that organ doubled over a period of two million years, like what happened?
I mean, because, you know, ancient cultures have always used psychedelic substances and basically all the way up until Western society kind of took hold.
It's always been an integral part of human culture and human society.
And then us in our modern world have decided to outlaw that.
And I think that's a tragic mistake, to be honest with you.
And I think that is also one of the good things about discussions that are happening on the internet that are kind of unchecked and untethered by academia.
But I mean, we're not even supposed to have left Africa until this time of the cognitive revolution.
And that's always been one of the points.
Like, oh, look, we got smart.
We left Africa 60,000 years ago.
But that's never made sense to me either because Homo erectus managed to migrate out of Africa and colonize loads of Asia and parts of Europe over a million years ago.
And if they're supposedly, you know, inferior to us, then how can they make this massive leap?
And Hegel Bigensis did it 600,000 years ago.
And if they're supposedly inferior to us, how come they did this?
And so, I mean, I don't know.
I try not to delve into the out of Africa thing because it's, I don't know, it gets a little bit controversial sometimes.
Well, it gets controversial when you bring in aliens too, because aliens become racist.
It becomes racist because now you're not accrediting the Africans to building the pyramids.
That's never made sense to me that because it clearly wasn't white people that built Well, I watched this very bizarre discussion between some guy that was trying to claim that it wasn't Africans that built the pyramid, that it was white people that built the pyramids.
There are people that have this sort of racist idea of the construction of the pyramids, but you can't attach that to everyone who's speculating about the construction because it's too the things are too weird.
It's too weird.
And let's assume that it was Africans that built the pyramids.
But if we are assuming that, like, how were they so much smarter than everyone alive today?
How were they so much smarter?
Let's say it's 4,500 years ago.
How were they so much smarter?
What was going on?
Like, what happened?
Did they get visited by aliens?
Did they discover something that allowed their understanding of physics to be just so much greater than everybody else who's ever lived?
Like, what did they discover?
Like, what were they encountering?
What were they consuming?
What were they doing?
What were they teaching each other?
We lost so much in the burning of the library of Alexandria, right?
And the whole pyramids thing kind of plays into the fact that stone is one of the only thing that survives.
And pyramids are these massive stone constructions.
Like, ironically, they would be one of the only things from our, not that they really count as our civilization, but from the modern world, the pyramids would be one of the only things that could survive in 100,000 years.
So it makes you think, like, how long have they been there?
And I think the Egyptians definitely undertook some kind of construction project around the time of 2500 BC.
Because there's records of them saying they did stuff, but that doesn't mean because they have all these records, but there's no records of how they built it.
So it's the one thing that if you're a logical person and you think you know the timeline of history, you think you understand human civilization, you think you understand how intelligence evolved and how technology and innovation evolved.
And you see that, you're like, oh, I don't know shit.
I don't know shit.
Like, how's that statue so big and perfectly symmetrical?
It screams that these people had some sort of information and some sort of education that is like on a different path of our, we went the way of the internal combustion engine and transistors and electronics.
And it seems like they went a totally different way, but maybe even further.
But we're scrambled in like our pathway to advancement is the only one that the human mind and all its infinite creativity can conceive of.
And this is another point regarding like, you know, culture that could have flourished back in 100,000 years ago or whatever.
We're always looking for ourselves in the past.
But there's so many different ways that we could have gone because why did it have to be mass farming, mass population growth, and then, as you say, kind of industrial progress.
It could have been so many different forms of human development and human lives.
No, it's fucking terrible for we're devolving because of our diets, which is really strange.
But if you think about this time and especially that part of the world where there was so much abundant natural resources that animal agriculture seems super simple.
You just corral a bunch of animals, you build a fence, and then you eat them.
That's the thing where we're talking about a completely different pathway.
Clearly, there's some technology that they had that we don't understand.
When you talk about the drill holes that they find or the way they had carved out these enormous massive chunks of stone and were apparently going to move them, we don't want to.
It's entirely possible because we're going to eventually.
If you give us another thousand years, you will not be able to recognize any of this nonsense that we use for technology today, especially when AI gets involved.
Did you see that thing where quantum, a quantum computer supposedly went one second back in time?
I saw an estimate, I think it was from NASA, but I'm not 100% sure, but it was from a kind of scientific journal that Earth is hit by what they define as a cataclysmic impact every 100,000 years.
So that's an impact that's capable of wiping out a third of today's population every 100,000 years.
And 100,000 years sounds like a long time, but again, we've been around for 300,000 years.
So theoretically, we've been hit by a cataclysmic impact three times already during our story.
And that both has the potential to completely wipe out anyone that was doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean.
You've got, you know, super volcanoes, as we talked about.
You've got pole shifts.
You've got solar flares.
You've got glaciers just scraping across the landscape and just completely erasing the record.
You've got sea level rise.
Sea level rise is a massive one because, I mean, where have we always lived?
By the coasts.
And if you look at the kind of fluctuation of sea level rise over the last 100,000 years, 200,000 years, 300,000 years, it's sea levels going in and out by hundreds of kilometers at a time and nothing is going to be left.
But again, if someone is a historian and they got into this, someone's an archaeologist and they got into this because they have this fascination for it.
For them to become professors and then start teaching and writing books about this stuff and not still be fascinated by the new stuff is to me so weird.
It's like you miss the whole reason why you got into this in the first place.
You got into this in the first place is because you're trying to figure out what happened.
How did we get to this point?
And if there's evidence that shows that we don't have the full picture and you're ignoring that or dismissing that or.
But the thing is when you go through these kind of systems and I've sort of got experience of this, obviously I was never a professional academic or anything like that.
But you know, I did history for four years.
I was kind of inside and I got to the point where it was almost, you know, it was do this as a career, become a professional academic or not.
It's very hard to kind of even think this way because everyone around you is thinking within these boxes that we've created for ourselves.
And so it's very hard to kind of open your mind.
And you kind of have to do it in private as well because no one else is talking in those terms around you and you're surrounded by people that think in quite limited terms.
And I don't say that to kind of be offensive or, you know, doubt anyone's the culture.
Exactly.
it's the culture and it means that no one is it's very hard to think outside the box when you're kind of in that culture And I think that's kind of what creates these, you know, rigid systems of thought.
Because what do psychedelics do that's most important?
Well, the dissolving of the ego.
It's one of the most important aspects of it.
It makes you realize the folly of your ways.
And all of these people that are supposed to be the academics, they're supposed to be the enlightened ones.
They're not enlightened.
They're just, they have information and they hold that information like it's their identity.
And they're right about a lot of things because they have been studying it and they do deserve credit for that.
What they've done is amazing.
And the understanding that these academics, these archaeologists and historians can give us of our world and our history is really cool.
It's really awesome.
But there's a whole lot more out there.
And for them to pretend and dismiss people like they should embrace people like Graham Hancock, and then they should correct him when he's saying something that is wrong.
But instead of lying and then calling him a racist and saying all these terrible things about him, well, that just shows me that you don't really have an argument.
And you're trying to protect your identity.
Your identity is the gatekeeper of this information that is not yours to gatekeep.
It's for the whole human race to understand what the hell happened.
And I wish that, you know, we've seen a surge in interest in ancient history and prehistory and, you know, the story of our species through people like Graham Hancock, who have kind of created a massive interest in this subject.
But instead of embracing that, they see it as a threat.
And I think that's really sad, to be honest.
And yeah, I think it kind of hurts the discipline in general because if you kind of like embrace that and like brought him into the table and spoke to him and kind of agreed, you know, agreed to have the discussion, then it would create a much kind of more healthy debate around these things.
And when you talk about the Clovis kind of narrative, because we think that we know what's happened and thus we know what didn't happen, it means that people aren't even looking for stuff that now we know was there.
So like they don't, they didn't dig deeper than the Clovis layer until very recently because they knew that humans weren't around until Clovis, but obviously that was wrong.
So they could have missed so much stuff and they probably did.
I mean, have you seen that?
There's like a, to be fair, I think Graham mentioned it on the show, the Saruti Mastodon site, which is like 130,000 years ago in America.
I mean, if that's human, which it kind of looks like it is.
I mean, there's the kind of theory regarding the Polynesian kind of island chain, you know, hopping across to Easter Island and then making one last hop across to South America.
fucking made a computer like it was clearly like a you know a long history of very very technical stuff in right in ancient greece and it could well have been the ancient greeks but also it could have been like well where did you come where's the what's the history of this technology and right more technical than like this modern automatic watch yeah yeah you know modern automatic watch if you look at the inside of them it's crazy there's springs and gears and it's all within like this uh seiko is like within i think it's a couple seconds a day yeah like that's crazy and
it's all these little and it moves it has no power source other than the movement of your hand yeah and there's a 72 hour power reserve so for 72 hours you let it sit there just from the power of your hand from wearing it really yeah yeah that's a cool watch nuts and then nuts but that's normal that's a normal thing for a modern watch with these little tiny gears this thing's way crazier than that and it's 2 000 years old at least what do they think it was for i
think they thought it kind of like tracked the lunar cycles and the kind of elliptical movements of i don't know have you seen the 3d ai representation of what it looked like when it was fully done see if you can find that because it's that that's the most eye-opening of it because you're bringing this back to the time of christ and someone made a computer during the time of christ like okay would it what are we missing like graham's quote is the best i love this quote we are a
species with amnesia 100 100 yeah and there's other quotes that i really love things just keep getting older and things do keep getting older they keep getting older yeah and this is something that people resist for some strange reason and i don't understand it i think it's just because it's attached to these folks like graham yeah that's the one look at it that's nuts that's what it used to look like this is a modern reproduction of it oh right but that that is what it used to look like yeah that's what it used to look like yeah that's what it used to look like
right that's off of that that yeah pieces so crazy show me the modern reproduction of what it looked like just
imagine okay someone 2 000 years ago figured that out and they have these little representations of the stars and the planets of the sun and then all the planets surrounded like first of all how do they know all that how are they seeing these planets like did they have a telescope like what are they how do they know how do they know how do they know how do they know how do they know how many planets are in our solar system what what did you base this on and no equivalent technology ever like re-emerged until like
you know like the 16th century with like swiss clockmakers right so it just makes you wonder like how old is that and what's that from and what were the pre you know was there other stuff like this that we never find when i googled uh first e fairs yeah i think that's the uh there's no i don't see the evidence that they have for 700,000 euros.
years ago I think that's the Homo erectus thing they're crossing the I googled it and crossing the Aegean Sea it says they might have been doing which there was some like islands that were protecting it from crazy weather potentially made it easier but that is that is a crazy thing to read some evidence suggests that man may have crossed the sea as early as 700,000 years ago.
I'm digging into the stone stuff while you're talking about frequencies.
I saw a video recently that doesn't explain all the Egypt stuff, but there were frequencies coming out of these rocks that I don't think everybody is currently studying.
People have studied it.
That's very basic, but there's the king's chamber and the reverberations that happen.
I was reading from Archimedes, I think, this quote here: when the priests sing the hymns of the gods, they sing the seven vowels in due succession.
The sound of these vowels has such euphony, I think that's that word, that men listen to it instead of the flute and the lyre, the lyric from 200 BC.
Someone made a video I saw recently where the somatic stuff shows up all over the place in some ancient sites, definitely obviously in churches and cathedrals.
But this is what happens when you put sand on a plate and hum on it or certain vibrations.
How many just we have such a limited understanding of our history?
And I always think like if something happened to us right now, what would really be left?
The real problem is everything is either on paper and there's not a lot of it on paper anymore.
It's on hard drives.
And those things would get cooked.
If there was just a massive solar flare, something huge that took out our power grid and destroyed all of our cell phone towers and all our satellites, no more electricity.
And so then you would have just stories and myths of what things used to be like.
There was an all-female flight crew at Delta.
You're like, what?
What are you talking about?
What does that even mean?
You know, oh, damn, they had satellites.
What are you talking about?
Like, what is the thing is, like, I wonder how many of the satellites would still be in orbit or whether their orbit would deteriorate and they'd come crashing down to Earth.
And that's almost the bad thing about it, is it kind of becomes your own little echo chamber after a while if you want it to, if you can kind of convince it to.
That was when I first got a computer and I got on ALL.
You've got mail.
It's like, I've gotten mail?
This is crazy.
Yeah.
You know, and you could go to chat rooms and read about stuff and you could download information.
So I'd print stuff about UFOs.
And I'm like, this is the future.
I'm living in the future.
And we're very fortunate, I think, that we got to see what life was like with a primitive use of the internet to what it's become now to a quantum computer can go back a second in time to, you know, what is coming next?
We don't know.
What's really weird is imagine if this has been done before.
We're assuming that it hasn't.
But imagine if the Egyptians had figured out something similar.
It kind of makes sense.
I mean, it sounds preposterous that they did, but why?
Why if we can do it?
Why if we can do it?
Maybe it's just a thing.
If you leave humans undisturbed for a long enough amount of time with food, they start figuring stuff out.
If you can keep them from killing each other.
And maybe that's the beautiful thing about the way Egyptian technology had advanced.
They didn't split the atom.
Maybe they figured out something else that they couldn't turn into a weapon.
I mean, they were definitely doing some pretty mad stuff.
And then if you look at those kind of granite boxes they made, the completely smooth surface, I mean, they clearly had some form of technology that we don't attribute to them.
I think that's undisputed.
I mean, it is disputed, but I don't think, I don't see how you can logically kind of look at what they were doing and not think they had some kind of technology that, you know, we don't traditionally attribute them to.
But whether that means they were like some crazy advanced civilization or it was built by some other advanced civilization, you know, that's a bit more hypothetical.
But they were clearly doing stuff that we can't appreciate today.
So that logically suggests they had something that we don't understand, right?
It's the idea that there could have been an advanced civilization on our planet, you know, 100 million years ago, a non-human one that, you know, was advanced and industrial.
And we just wouldn't see any trace because of how long ago it was.
And they could have been here.
And, you know, we just wouldn't know because it's been so long.
It's kind of like where I come from with my kind of human idea.
Obviously, it's a further time span.
But it was proposed by two physicists is why I just thought of it just then.
Well, it's just the idea that if it had, we wouldn't know.
And because the Earth's been around for so long and complex multicellular life appeared, you know, relatively early in our four billion year history of the Earth or whatever.
I'm not sure on the dates, but we've been around, the Earth rather has been around for so, so, so long.
And we know that intelligence can emerge because it emerged with us and happened relatively quickly when you look at the kind of massive time scale that the Earth's been around and how long multicellular life has been around.
So their idea is kind of like, well, what if a civilization in the kind of era of the dinosaurs had become very advanced and an industrial society?
And they say we would see absolutely no evidence.
Like when I'm talking about a human civilization, we would see some potential evidence, like, you know, rock carved stone or whatever.
But they would say you wouldn't even see the nuclear waste deposits because it's that long ago that nothing would survive.
And then I think about that and I think, well, isn't it almost more likely that something did happen considering we know that intelligence can emerge relatively quickly?
Multicellular life has been on the planet for so, so, so, so, so, so long.
Because I think, like, well, if you do have these quantum computers that can go back one second in time and you move forward a thousand years from now and they're run by AI, like, what can they do?
Like, do they cease to, do these beings cease to exist in this dimension?
Do they develop the ability to be transdimensional?
Do they no longer exist in our space and time?
Is that like the emergence of this new life form and then they observe us?
Well, I feel like if you kind of survive, you know, a lot longer than we have and you kind of get to a different like kind of level of intelligence, then why would you need the kind of physical body?
Why would you need the physical realm?
And why couldn't you kind of diverge different dimensions if such a thing is possible?
Yeah, I kind of flip between like quite a pessimistic outlook and quite an optimistic outlook on these things.
Like sometimes I think like it's just gone and we're never going to know and we can speculate for as much as we like, but it's gone.
And then sometimes I think, no, like you never know.
There's so many places that are just completely unexcavated, completely unexplored that we haven't looked at, like, you know, beneath the Sahara or on the ocean floor by these.
And then all these places that, you know, we haven't explored.
And as you say, technology like AI.
Thank you.
Cheers.
Thank you.
You know, I think sometimes I think, yeah, maybe we are going to make like these massive discoveries that are going to completely shift our understanding of history.
And as you say, the kind of geezer, the findings beneath geyser, that could be a moment.
And I'm always looking for that.
But then sometimes I flip again and think, you know, maybe we'll never find anything.
And I just don't know.
Maybe I'm just speculating for no reason and I should just stop.
And he goes deep into the history of people talking about these sites and even ancient explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt would talk about how it was even more spectacular underground.
Also the two great temples of Luxor and still there would be room for the whole of Ramesium.
What does that mean?
In short, all the temples of the east of Thebes and I'm sorry if I'm butchering these names folk and one of the largest of the West Bank might be placed together in the one area in the ruins of Hawara.
Here we certainly have a site worthy of the renown which the Labyrinth acquired.
So this is an ancient explorer who's talking about he actually got into this area.
The problem now is it's all submerged.
So it's been flooded and it's very difficult to do any kind of archaeological work.
And their kind of argument is that they built it to kind of protect themselves from an invading army, but that's never made sense to me because if you were attacking those people, you just block the entrances.
Well, I guess you could, you know, it could be the remnants of an earlier culture that was wiped out and they had like a memory of maybe passed down three million.
Like, what tool are you carving stone with to make a giant cave?
One particular cave stands out for its detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people, and figures closely resembling the eight immortals from Taoist mythology.
These depictions suggest a deep connection to Taoism.
Whether these carvings were a part of the original structure or added later after the caves were rediscovered in 1992 remains a topic of debate.
After close examining of the carvings and noticing of unique method used to chip away at the rock for these images, it seems likely that they were added later.
Perhaps turning the cave into a sacred place reflecting the religious beliefs at the time.
Oh, so some gross people carved into it in 1992.
Ugh.
That's so crazy that you did that, guys, because that's probably what people have done throughout time.
I bet that's, you know, probably the people that put their dead body in the pyramid.
Yeah, and that's the thing with all the other things in the Egypt is they've people have carved hieroglyphics onto there, but that doesn't mean that that's when the original thing was built.
Can you go back to the video, please, Jamie, of that site so we could see like what it looks like when you're walking around in it?
Because the fact that they don't really know who made it and the fact that these farmers found it in 1994, when you see the scope of it, it's where it really sets in.
Maybe they're trying to make the carvings to make it seem like it was older and people would come wonder and just come look and be a tourist attraction.
I think it's also to kind of connect it to kind of, you know, more like contemporary cultural China rather than because I mean, who knows how old this could be?
I can't remember, but they found like a little bit of it, and they were like, oh, this is clearly just some like, you know, contemporary Bronze Age society.
Survey conducted by archaeologists from Istanbul University and the University of Chicago found some flint and limestone artifacts, but they didn't perceive the site as anything more than a medieval cemetery.
The whole like 5% excavation thing is so puzzling at Gobekli Tepe because, I mean, to be clear, that's kind of how that's like normal practice, I think, for archaeology.
But you would have think that Gobekli Tepe is like a bit more of a special case.
I mean, there's so many different things that they've found in Turkey now that's starting to lean people to think that maybe that spot.
Maybe we've, you know, there was probably a bunch of places like that in the Middle East where civilization had sort of emerged from whatever had happened before.
It's also weird if you look at it from a satellite perspective, the satellite imagery where you get to see where it all looks like it's been washed over by water.
Well, the idea that myth doesn't hold any kind of use in understanding the past is just ridiculous because the myth is powerful because it's the thing we've collectively remembered as a species, isn't it?
So why would we dismiss that as a kind of you know historical record?
And then you've got examples of like indigenous cultures that remember that they remember kind of scientific information through myth.
I always go to this example of these kind of islanders during the tsunami in 2004.
And they went to the, it was the Andaman Islands and the kind of you know Western scientists or whatever went to the island after the Boxing Day tsunami and they were like, oh, everyone's going to be dead.
Like they're all going to be wiped out by this tsunami.
And they were fine because they had this myth in their culture that when the sea recedes, you get to high ground because then the waves are going to come that will eat men.
And that myth, you know, that has encoded scientific information regarding tsunamis and that saved their culture's lives.
And they had like no casualties compared to, you know, Western or modern people who were everybody else was like, wow, look at all the sand.
There's a guy who was hiking in Russia when the most recent tsunami hit and he was on a cliff and you see the ocean come in and like reach the top of the cliff where his dog is.
Like that, we look at the Tunguska impact, and that was the same sort of comet storm that we passed through at the same time of year, and it flattened like this enormous chunk of Siberia that still doesn't have trees on it.
Including Sofka, where they, like how I said that?
Where they cover an area approximately 45 by 10 miles.
And how do you say that one?
There's a lot of words today, but I'm not going to say it.
Cappadocia, home to several clusters of tracks.
The discovery of these ruts around the world has sparked debate regarding their purpose, age, and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of the tracks to megalithic structures and the fact that some are now submerged beneath the sea.
Many researchers suggest these fossilized lines indicate significant antiquity.
So if this was like mud that they were pulling these things through or dirt that they were pulling these things through and then it eventually fossilized into tracks.
Like what else would be the explanation for something that looks exactly like tracks?
Is there a natural explanation for those kind of formations?
Coltepin holds, okay, the region that Dr. Coltepin has studied is relatively obscure with guidebooks offering little to no information about it.
While mainstream researchers argue that the tracks are merely petrified remnants of old cart ruts left by wheeled vehicles pulled by donkeys or camels, Coltepin holds a different perspective.
Rejecting these conventional explanations, he stated firmly, I will never accept it.
I will always remember many other inhabitants of our planet wiped from our history.
His research suggested a deeper, perhaps forgotten history of Earth and its past civilizations.
Coltepin theorizes that the civilization responsible for driving these heavy vehicles likely built the numerous identical roads, ruts, and underground complexes scattered across the Mediterranean region more than 12 million years ago.
He acknowledges that petrification can occur relatively quickly, but points to the heavy mineral deposits on the tracks and signs of erosion as evidence of much old of a much older timeline.
He also connects these tracks to surrounding underground cities, irrigation systems, and wells, which he believes are millions of years old.
On his website, Coltepin wrote, oh, I'm not fucking his name out.
We are dealing with extremely tough, lithified, petrified sediments covered with a thick layer of weathering that takes millions of years to develop, full of multiple cracks with newly developed minerals in them, which could only emerge in periods of high tectonic activity.
Bro, if that's a real wheel, if someone can carve that out of there and realize, like, if scientists look at it, if they get a 3D scan of it and they go, okay, we have to completely rethink everything.
Okay, radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle and the geological analysis have largely debunked the idea of extreme antiquity.
More details, the artifact.
The London hammer is a metal hammerhead with a wooden handle found partially encased in a concretion, hard, compact mass of mineral matter.
The claims some have interpreted the hammer's presence in the rock as evidence of advanced ancient civilizations or a young earth pointing to the seemingly anomalous placement of a modern-looking tool in ancient rock.
Evidence against antiquity, radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle has placed its origin within the historical period, not millions of years.
Geological processes, the concretion itself is not necessarily ancient.
This is what I'd read.
Minerals and solution can harden around objects dropped or left in cracks or on the surface of soluble rock, according to Gaia.
Out-of-place artifacts, while the concept of out-of-place artifacts can be intriguing, the London Hammer doesn't meet the criteria of being considered an out-of-place artifact, as is geological context and dating suggest a more recent origin.
You know, one of the things that I always go to with Egypt is those really bizarre-looking things that almost look like a part of a machine, like that wheel thing.
Shist disc, I think it's yeah, something, I don't remember what it's called, some kind of a disc, but it looks like a part of something, like almost a fan.
You're looking at that, like, okay, what is that thing doing?
Is that a turbine?
Is that in water?
Does something spin?
Like, what is that?
The fact that that's real, that one drives me nuts.
I don't know if that's the use of it, but that's a see if you can get an image of the actual one, not a recreation, because I think there's been some, some of them, they've recreated it because I think it's a very valuable thing.
So when people are looking at it, I think a lot of times they're looking at recreations.
And we're just all kind of rushing around in this really hectic life of just like, you know, got to go do this, got to do this, and just not sitting back and kind of appreciating, what was that?
These are engineers that are saying this kind of thing.
And the problem is that, you know, archaeologists and Egyptologists are all a certain type of person that don't have the expertise in recognizing machined artifacts.
Also, they're dorks and they don't connect with people because they're so arrogant and the way they talk about these things that it freaks people out and it makes them not want to listen.
This is, I think, the thing that frustrates them the most about alternative historians like Graham Hancock.
Yeah, like high school girls, like talking shit about each other in chat messages, you know?
Or high school boys, they do the same thing.
Or fucking grown men do it, obviously.
And these guys are just like that.
But it's also, I think some of these guys are socially stunted because they spent so much time with their head in academia and their head in books that they don't realize the rest of the world sees that behavior in a very transparent way.
If you're acting like a bitch online and all you do is say mean things about people, that's not, you're not hiding what you are.
Every reasonable person sees that and instantaneously knows what's going on.
This is irrational behavior.
You're calling people racist because they're questioning the timeline of human civilization based on evidence, based on really bizarre things that no one can explain based on water erosion on rocks.
But it's done by people that are socially stunted.
And they don't understand that most normal, rational people who see them behave this way are never going to listen to them again.
By doing this bitchy thing, you have discounted your own participation in any true intellectual discourse because everybody knows you're a bad faith actor now.
You're a bad person.
You're saying things because you're trying to shut down a conversation instead of saying, huh, tell me what you did.
How did you get to this?
So what is he saying?
Water erosion.
Whoa.
Show me.
Show me the water erosion.
Well, fucking hell, that does look like water erosion.
Imagine what Harry in the math department when you've been shitting on his string theory and now it finds, oh, look, look who's wrong about the timeline.
Yeah, but I think it's, I don't know, our adherence to these ideas has kind of distorted our understanding of history and has kind of prevented us from looking for things because, you know, we assume that these things are shit.
I mean, South America is just, you know, it's, I think South America and Egypt slash Turkey are the two kind of areas that are the most kind of, you know, mysterious.
And like, there's so much going on there that I think we haven't quite acknowledged how much mystery there is still left.
And yeah, fascinating.
Especially when you throw this in.
I mean, I haven't really, I haven't looked into this at all, but I'm going to have to start watching Jesse's.
If that's real, if that becomes mainstream, if this is from Jesse, and I hope it does, and they do genetic testing on this thing, and then someone figures out what it is, and it's got different chromosomes than us and different DNA than us.
And that part of the world, they've had stories about these kind of creatures forever.
That's why they have all this artwork about them.
Not only that, that is an exact replica.
Like when if you ever see the movie Moment of Contact, the James Fox movie, it's about an incident, an incident in Brazil in 1994, 96.
The Vargenia, Brazil incident, where there was a crashed UFO.
These police officers went to go and see this crash.
There was some sort of electrical storm.
And then they found this creature that seemed to have been injured from the craft.
The guy picks it up, takes it in his car.
They bring it to a hospital.
The hospital refuses to treat it.
They bring it to another hospital.
That hospital, they don't know what happened with the records or what happened, but they do know that the guy who carried it physically died of a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure.
They said it smelled like sulfur and it had three fingers and three toes.
And this, whatever this creature was that is, you know, mummified, it looks exactly like what these people were talking about from this UFO crash in Vargenia, Brazil.
Like it's a it's the entire folklore of the town.
They have a UFO when you enter into the town of Varginia.
They have like this giant statue of a UFO.
Like every, there's still people alive to this day that live in that town that will tell you the story.
And you can go across town.
You can go here.
They all have the same story.
There's multiple UFOs in the sky.
One of them crashed.
They found two creatures.
One of them was alive.
They think one of them was dead.
This, whatever this crash site was, they bring in the movie Movan movie, excuse me, movie Moment of Contact.
They bring this police officer to the site and he starts weeping.
Like if that guy's, if he's a liar, he's the greatest actor of all time.
The guy starts freaking out when he starts telling the story of what he found in the 1990s.
It like brings him back to that moment.
The women who saw the being, they're like in their 40s now.
They were little girls when they saw it.
And they all have the same story.
unidentified
And it matches three-fingered, three-toed, looked like that.
If you're terrified of something and you think you've decided that it's a demon because it's actually an advanced life form from somewhere else and it smells like sulfur, like whatever they have that got on this guy's skin that gave him this horrible bacterial infection.
It's all documented.
The guy died.
He was a young, healthy soldier, and he's dead within like a couple of weeks.
I mean, if you've mastered gravity to the point where you create like a bubble around everything you are and you travel through it without any resistance whatsoever, they've clocked things going underwater that are going like 500 knots underwater.
But I do have to say that if I wanted, if I was the government and I wanted to spread a bunch of crazy stories about UFOs, I'd tell them to people like Tom.
The complete lack of any real faith in authority figures.
Like, why would you listen to the president of the United States when there's fucking UFOs reading your mind and traveling instantaneously here from wherever they're from?
Like all of our systems of power and control, they all go away.
Because we don't believe, you're not in control anymore.
Every organization has great people and a bunch of clowns and a bunch of nutty people that don't want to lose their positions of power and these little struggles, inter-office bullshit in every organization with human beings.
So for sure, that's the same thing with UFO disclosure.
And then I think there's also the problem with if there really is a crash retrieval program and it's been going on for a long time and it's been going on without congressional oversight.
That means you've been lying and you've been misappropriating money and guys in jail.
And everybody's fucked.
So what's the best way to like you got to slowly trickle out the information and you got to mix it up with a whole lot of bullshit.
A whole lot of nonsense and then fly some drones over people and see how they respond.
Couldn't it just be, you know, like advanced weapons or technology that, you know, we have or, you know, your government has that could most certainly.
It doesn't have to be alien just for it to be like more advanced than like the kind of public knows about.
I would imagine that a lot of what we're dealing with is advanced American military craft and probably done through some top secret research that was real shady.
Probably a lot of people spend a whole lot of money doing this stuff.
And there's probably some like this is the people that have gone to S4 and talked about it.
You can't, it's all anecdotal, so you never really know if they're telling the truth.
But there's been people that have no reason to lie that say that they have technology that is 40, 50 years past anything that you can imagine right now.