Aug. 20, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day. | ||
| Good to see you, man. | ||
| Nice to meet you. | ||
| You too, man. | ||
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Pleasure. | |
| I love your channel, man. | ||
| It's really great. | ||
| You're really doing some really interesting videos. | ||
| When did you get started? | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Well, I only started the YouTube less than a year ago. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's been a bit of a wild ride. | ||
| I don't even know how I found it. | ||
| It was like one of those YouTube recommends things. | ||
| just popped up and I don't remember which one it was. | ||
| It was something on ancient history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was like, oh, all right. | ||
| Yeah, it was cool. | ||
| I mean, yeah, I started just under a year ago, but no one started watching until like March. | ||
| And then I think you used to see me just after that point. | ||
| And it's been a bit of a big journey since then upwards. | ||
| But it's been very exciting and very happy to be here today. | ||
| Very excited to be in Austin. | ||
| And yeah, looking forward to talk about some ancient history. | ||
| So did you start off on a traditional academic journey and then sort of get sidetracked into a YouTube career? | ||
| Like how did this work? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| So I studied ancient history at university for four years. | ||
| And I've always been interested in history. | ||
| I've done history all the way through. | ||
| Like I was fascinated about history as a kid and got to the stage of my life where it was, you know, thinking about going to university. | ||
| So I thought I'll do ancient history at university and study there for four years, graduated, all of that kind of stuff. | ||
| But there came a point during my degree where I was kind of, you know, a little bit... | ||
| I didn't quite agree with the kind of high level ideas regarding the timeline of history and what we're taught about our ancient past. | ||
| And it wasn't that I disputed anything that I'd been taught and I have like great respect for the people that I met at university and my professors. | ||
| And I don't dispute anything that we were taught actually on the course, but it was more the kind of high level macro perspective of history that I found myself having more and more more questions about and yeah so what what bothered you like what were the questions it was kind of the big questions regarding the origins of civilization and how deep civilization goes and how complex human behavior you know, I thought went way back further into history than what we were being taught. | ||
| And I wasn't too, I just didn't buy this idea that nothing happened for like a vast stretch of time. | ||
| Because it was during my course that they found that modern humans, they made this discovery in Morocco in 2017 or 2018, I think. | ||
| And that was when I was at university. | ||
| Was that Denisovans? | ||
| No, no, Homo sapiens. | ||
| So I can't remember. | ||
| It's called like the Jebel Erud site or something like that. | ||
| But they were modern Homo sapien remains. | ||
| They thought they were Neanderthal initially because they were so old. | ||
| How old were they? | ||
| They're 315,000 years old. | ||
| That's kind of like the estimate. | ||
| It goes up to potentially 360,000 years old. | ||
| years old so they're super old and yeah they thought they were initially neanderthal because of this age but then they discovered a few more and they were they classified them as homo sapien and when i saw that i was like how is this not kicking up more of a fuss because before them the oldest Homo sapien remains we had were around 200,000 | ||
| years old and that had been the case for like a decade or something and before that it was like 100,000 years old so this discovery pushed back the age of our species by another third like 100,000 years so I saw that and I was thinking like how are we still basing our kind of idea of history around the fact that nothing happened for you know 310,000 years and then everything happened in like the last you know 10,000 years since the Neolithic Revolution. | ||
| I just thought that was odd because, you know, we've been in this anatomically modern form for so long and yet we were being taught that nothing had happened until, you know, the last 10,000 years. | ||
| And that just didn't make sense to me. | ||
| So that's kind of where I started thinking about it. | ||
| And then we did this module at university, I remember, called, it was called something like Cataclysms or something. | ||
| And it was all about how in recorded history, natural disaster had a big impact on human societies and stuff like that. | ||
| And how small, like tiny changes in climate could massively disrupt human civilization and bring them all crashing down. | ||
| And the case study they used was something called the Late Bronze Age Collapse. | ||
| Have you ever heard of the Late Bronze Age? | ||
| And that's when all these like powerful influential civilizations at the kind of peak of human progress around 1000 BC all simultaneously came crashing down. | ||
| And no one was quite sure why it was. | ||
| But the best theory we have is that it's like a kind of combination of climate factors, which led to trade disruption, which led to societal unrest. | ||
| And then all these empires like the Hittite Empire, the Syrian Empire, the palaces of Mycenae in Greece, the Egyptian New Kingdom, all within a 20 to 30, 40 year period, all came crashing down the exact same time. | ||
| And I remember being hooked by that. | ||
| I was like, that's so crazy. | ||
| Like, we don't even know why this happened. | ||
| But it was like a half degree changing climate. | ||
| Just a tiny half-degree change in climate which caused drought which led to those civilizations collapsing. | ||
| Some of the stuff that had been happening during prehistory was so much worse than that. | ||
| And that got me thinking like, how do we know that sophisticated human culture hadn't flourished, you know, 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago, 200,000 years ago, and collapsed due to climate change or natural disaster, volcanoes, comet impacts, anything like that. | ||
| And that's kind of what set me on the journey. | ||
| That along with the discovery of the remains in Morocco. | ||
| And that really got me thinking about the story we've told regarding our past and how our our past and how I wasn't quite sure. | ||
| And yeah, that's kind of what made me initially kind of break away from the traditional timeline that we were being taught. | ||
| The term prehistory is weird, isn't it? | ||
| Because it's like, according to what? | ||
| What we find? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean, how do we know what historical, if there was a great cataclysm, like if the younger Dryas impact theory is correct? | ||
| What, you know, how much history would be written down? | ||
| What would be left? | ||
| How would you find it? | ||
| What would you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, we're, we're, that's one of the things that disturbs me the most is the arrogance that some academics have to having a definitive understanding of the exact timeline of agriculture, civilization, and then modern humans. | ||
| Yeah, it annoys me. | ||
| I feel like academics, as opposed to the alternative historians are kind of more saying, we don't know, but here's a potential hypothetical scenario that could be possible. | ||
| Whereas I feel like more mainstream, for want of a better word, I don't really like using that because I don't think there's such a thing as a mainstream. | ||
| It's not like there's a group of people that will collectively decide, but some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and scientists seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past. | ||
| And that's just stupid. | ||
| Like how can anyone know about what happened 100,000 years ago or 200,000 years ago or 200,000 years ago and it gets me a little bit rolled up because at the end of the day, none of us know what happened back then. | ||
| So I think a lot more possibilities are, you know, possible than what many people appreciate. | ||
| Did you ever see there was a video documentary back in the day, something about the mysteries of the Sphinx and there was this archeologist that was mocking Graham Hancock's ideas and Dr. Robert Schaak's ideas about the timeline, talking about things that existed pre-10,000 years. | ||
| And he was saying, he was like laughing. | ||
| What evidence is there of any civilization from 10,000 years ago? | ||
| This was literally, I think, around the same time that they discovered Gobekli Tepe. | ||
| This guy was mocking it. | ||
| I think slightly thereafter they discovered Gobekli Tepe, which threw everything. | ||
| Into a Tizzy because now you've got something that was absolutely covered. | ||
| they believe intentionally somewhere in the neighborhood of 11 000 years ago yeah i think gobekli tepe is the biggest kind ofgest kind of smoking gun for at least for the idea that civilization is older and more complex than the traditional model suggests, because obviously, as you say, it's like twelve thousand years old and it's massive megalithic pillars. | ||
| I mean, you know about Göbekli Tepe, probably most people listening to this will know about Göbekli Tepe, but it's such a clear sign that sophisticated human culture was present way earlier than the conventional timeline suggests. | ||
| And I think that at least should throw a monkey wrench into a lot of these people's ideas regarding human civilization and when it began, because clearly the toolkit for civilization existed twelve thousand years ago. | ||
| So why couldn't it have existed a little bit then, did it then take another six thousand years for it to emerge in ancient Summa, which is the kind of traditional thought to be the earliest civilization? | ||
| Kebekli Tepe is fascinating. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's a really interesting site. | ||
| I think it will one day be classed as a civilization. | ||
| I'm almost certain that when enough time passes, we'll kind of look at that. | ||
| Because it's a whole culture, the whole Tashtopela culture. | ||
| There's like 14 sites at least, and they all have this kind of megalithic architecture. | ||
| They all have shared symbolism. | ||
| They all clearly connected. | ||
| Like, it's crazy how it's not defined as anything other than Hunter Gatherers. | ||
| And if even if you think that Hunter Gatherers built Kebekli Tepe, then you need to massively update the definition of what a hunter-gatherer is because clearly they had surplus they weren't just building these sites in their spare time and yeah it's it's a truly paradigm shifting site but i mean i mean everyone kind of knows about go back to the topic now but not everyone but it but also as spectacular as what they've discovered so far is they have only unearthed five percent of it which is even more bizarre because you've got so | ||
| much stuff that's underground you have no idea what's on those pillars you know there's speculation that one of the pillars from go back to the topic that is unearthed is some sort of a calendar of events and they believe that it depicts some sort of a disaster, like that these whatever how they they're making these images to be associated with either an impact or something, but there's a timeline that's inscribed in these pillars. | ||
| Yeah, there's like a study that was written or a paper that was written and they think it's the pillar 43, I think it is, is kind of like a cosmic calendar and it's like a almost a prediction model of an impact that could happen or already has happened and that it's like a warning for the future. | ||
| I mean, that is still disputed, but there's been good research that's done into that that suggests that's what it is. | ||
| And it's certainly a site that has cosmic alignments and has been built with the stars in mind, which is something that we can say about so many ancient sites around the world, which is another thing that isn't really considered by, you know, quote unquote, mainstream archaeology, perhaps as much as it should be. | ||
| So, yeah, it's a fascinating site, and I really think it displays a lot about how human ingenuity and civilization. | ||
| I mean, people get a bit stuck with the word civilization because we have this very narrow definition of what civilization is. | ||
| And it's basically based on the old model of Mesopotamia, which is ancient Summa. | ||
| And because that was the earliest known civilization for so long, we kind of constructed this whole idea about what a civilization is purely based on Mesopotamia. | ||
| But I don't see why that has to be what civilization is, because that was just one civilization. | ||
| And just because that was the earliest one we'd found for a long time and still is thought of as such, doesn't mean that that's the only way that humanity can flourish. | ||
| because humans are so adaptable we do so many different things and we're clever in different ways and we you know change to different environments and I think that definition has really kept a lot of people kind of boxed in when thinking about how sophisticated human culture could flourish in different places and different environments and with different pressures. | ||
| And I think that's kind of forced people to not consider what other possibilities are out there. | ||
| I think it's even more fascinating if you consider the fact that ancient Sumer and that part of the world from about 6,000 years ago is where they're sort of hanging their hat saying that this is the birthplace of civilization. | ||
| But if you do have this evidence of Gobekli Tepe, and then we are talking about some sort of an ancient civilization that lived 12,000 years ago, like what happened? | ||
| Like, what was the gap between that and then it took six thousand years before they started civilization back up again, sort of a reimagining of civilization, which makes you really, at least makes me really consider the possibility of a cataclysm, because if the people that survived, whatever they would be, you know, I mean, they would probably be living off the land, they'd probably be barely getting by and barbaric for a long, long time. | ||
| And if it really took six thousand years to kind of like settle down again, that is fascinating to me. | ||
| Yeah, and it all ties into this idea that we've had that. | ||
| agriculture leads to civilization, but there's that bizarre thing that agriculture appears in multiple different places at pretty much the exact same time all over the world and that's never made sense to me because if agriculture was such a kind of vital invention for civilization to flourish then why did no one invent it for you know 310,000 years. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then in South America, in Mesopotamia, in ancient China, and you could argue there's other different places that, so say there's like South America and there's Central America. | ||
| I mean, you could argue that's potentially connected, but a lot of people say it isn't. | ||
| So how can agriculture, if it's such an incredible invention, be invented by multiple people at the same time, but no one else thought of it before? | ||
| I mean, it doesn't make sense to me. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense they wouldn't figure out seeds. | ||
| How do you not know eventually that these seeds are dropping and then you see seedlings that are coming out of the ground? | ||
| Just that seems pretty logical and an easy connection. | ||
| And then you'd say, oh, well, if we gather these seeds and go plant them over there, you know, maybe we can get some fruit trees over here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| It worked. | ||
| Like that doesn't that seems like you'd figure that out in one lifetime. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But I think I think the idea is the idea always has been that it's because of the climate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So because of the Holocene, which is which began around 12000 years ago, as we came out of that and we had kind of stable climate conditions that we still live in today. | ||
| that's what enabled the invention of agriculture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then the question I always ask is, well, what about all the other warm periods that have come in the past? | ||
| If as the idea is that, you know, stable climate led to agriculture, then. | ||
| it's unlikely they're the earliest Homo sapiens that ever lived. | ||
| They're just the earliest we found. | ||
| So we could be even older than that. | ||
| So considering we've been through four distinct warm periods before the Holocene, and if the argument is that the Holocene was what led to the invention of agriculture due to the stable climate, then why couldn't it have happened in the earlier warm periods? | ||
| That's a question I've always asked myself and been fascinated by. | ||
| And the real problem is there would be very little evidence, if any. | ||
| Yeah, so this is the preservation problem, and this is something I talk about in my videos. | ||
| I kind of always ask the question, like, what if human culture had flourished in the Emian, for example, which was from 130 to 115,000 years ago, what realistically would survive? | ||
| Because it's such a vast, vast length of time that it's really unlikely, at least as far as I can tell, and obviously I'm not a scientist, I'm not like a, you know, a materialist, I'm not any kind of, I'm just a guy, I'm not even a historian technically, but as | ||
| I think it would be extremely unlikely that pretty much anything would survive when you get up to these huge time scales of like 100,000 years. | ||
| And so I've been doing quite a lot of research into this because I don't I obviously don't want to, you know, get things wrong and put falsehoods out there and mislead people. | ||
| I don't want to look like a dickhead in front of like millions of people or whatever. | ||
| So I've been trying to like, you know, debunk myself or play devil's advocate to myself on this point because, you know, that's the best way to make your argument airtight and no one's really out there debunking me. | ||
| I don't know if that's because I'm right or because, like, no one knows me. | ||
| Maybe that will change after a show like this, but... | ||
| So if you're right, like somewhere like London or Manhattan, like, yeah, what would be left in a hundred thousand years? | ||
| Yeah, of like an actual modern city. | ||
| And the scary truth is it's it's almost nothing. | ||
| Like, there are really? | ||
| As far as I can tell, and obviously cement buildings, they would just deteriorate. | ||
| They would go, they would go, like, concrete would crack and you'd get CO2 in there and freeze thaw weathering and over these huge time scales of like five thousand years, ten thousand years, they would just crumble down. | ||
| into dust and be absolutely imperceptible. | ||
| It's just 10,000 years. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Obviously, these, I mean, I'm just doing this off the top of my head. | ||
| I haven't got any notes in front of me or anything. | ||
| But as far as I can tell from my research, it's going to be a few, like, 10,000 years, 20,000 years max. | ||
| It's not going to get up to these time scales of 100,000 years. | ||
| So if you do add in, if you think about what Manhattan would look like in 100,000 years, it's almost nothing. | ||
| I would say it was nothing, to be honest. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And it would just get overrun by trees again. | ||
| Yeah, because it's just such an incredible amount of time that all these materials that we build with are just going to corrode. | ||
| And they're going to rust away. | ||
| If they're metals, they're going to oxidize. | ||
| They're going to flake until they're just tiny little fragments that just disperse in the sedimentary record and they're just invisible to see. | ||
| And same with concrete, same with even things like glass. | ||
| I've heard a lot of people say that glass would potentially survive because glass is a, you know, it's a very durable material and glass would survive a long time. | ||
| But glass in the form of a human-made recognizable artifact. | ||
| isn't going to survive in that form. | ||
| It's going to get crushed. | ||
| It's going to break away into tiny little nanofragments, into silica grains that are just invisible in the kind of archaeological record when you get up to these huge levels of time. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, there's, I would say almost nothing would survive that long. | ||
| And again, with the caveat that I'm just some random dude who's investigated this on the internet and researched this myself, not a scientist. | ||
| If anyone out there is a material scientist, I'd encourage them to reach out to me. | ||
| But as far as I can tell, there are very few things that could possibly survive that long. | ||
| I mean, we're pretty crazy fucking apes. | ||
| We do crazy shit. | ||
| So things like nuclear weapons, like we test nuclear weapons in the atmosphere. | ||
| You could argue if we knew when to look and what to look for, we could see traces of plutonium in the atmosphere from our nuclear weapons testing. | ||
| Or you could see our nuclear waste deposits. | ||
| Or things like carved stone, because stone obviously survives a very long time., human carved stone, you'd be able to find that. | ||
| But we do find that. | ||
| We find, you know, stone tools. | ||
| But just because ancient humans used stone tools doesn't mean they didn't use anything else. | ||
| It's just stone is the most likely thing to survive. | ||
| And the crazy thing is, like, do you, Joe, do you know how many sites we have, Homo sapiens sites from more than 100,000 years ago? | ||
| How many? | ||
| Nine. | ||
| We have nine sites, nine glimpses, nine snapshots into over 200,000 years of history, nine moments in time. | ||
| And we use that to extrapolate out what every single human was doing for nine globally. | ||
| Nine globally, yeah. | ||
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| And where are they mostly? | ||
| Africa. | ||
| And so what do they find? | ||
| Like what is the evidence? | ||
| It's usually caves and it's usually just remains of firepits and stone tools. | ||
| And that's kind of it. | ||
| And so we see that and we think, okay, they just lived in caves and used stone tools. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's nine sites, nine moments in time for two hundred thousand years. | ||
| Well, the problem is there are people that essentially live like that right now in some parts of the world, which is really weird, right? | ||
| Because we always want to think about technology and advancement of civilization being kind of universal, but it's really not. | ||
| You know, there's people that are living a subsistence lifestyle right now. | ||
| There's people that are uncontacted right now. | ||
| At the same time as Elon Musk sends rockets to Mars and shit, yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, that's the weirdest of those is when you see them get invaded in the Amazon when you see them contact these people and they're pointing bows and arrows at helicopters and they're naked. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We're so adaptable. | ||
| Humans can do so many different things. | ||
| And as you say, right now we're sending rockets to space and people are living in very traditional ways of life. | ||
| And that just because we find traditional ways of life in, I repeat, nine sites to cover two hundred thousand years, in my view, that's just what we can see. | ||
| That's just the only that points to my point regarding what would possibly survive. | ||
| Because if you think of all the human lives, stories, cultures that have potentially existed for our whole species existence, if we only have nine little glimpses from, and to be fair, that nine is. | ||
| is you could say it's up to 15 because some sites are debated but either way it's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of human, you know, signs of human life. | ||
| Just because in that fragment, in that snapshot, in that slither, all we see is some humans with stone tools in caves doesn't mean that nothing else was happening. | ||
| Well, a good piece of evidence to that that would point in that direction is Egypt because Egypt, even if you accept the conventional timeline of Egypt, which is 2500 BC for the Great Pyramid, go look at the rest of the world at 2500 BC. | ||
| You don't see anything like that. | ||
| Nothing even close. | ||
| Yeah, they were clearly, even if you kind of look at the conventional model of history, the ancient Egyptians were wildly ahead of everyone. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| It's just so weird. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| And that's if you and the conventional model doesn't really give us any explanations of how they were doing what they were doing. | ||
| They arrogantly dismiss any other explanations, which is really weird when you're talking about these immense structures that are baffling. | ||
| Absolutely baffling to anyone who's being honest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is your view on these Italian researchers that are looking at the tomography and they're looking at these things that they believe are under the Great Pyramid and some other structures in Egypt? | ||
| Yeah, the kind of the what's it called? | ||
| Like Sars Topla. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I'm always a little bit suspicious when you make sensationalist claims with new technology. | ||
| And that doesn't mean it's wrong. | ||
| I just that just could be suspicious. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because it's bonkers. | ||
| It's bonkers. | ||
| Because what they're saying is two kilometers deep underneath the Great Pyramid, there's structures. | ||
| And there's hundreds of meters of these pylons, these pillars that are in uniform positions with some sort of a coil wrapped around them. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| And they reproduce it in multiple different scans, but I don't know what they're seeing. | ||
| I don't understand the technology. | ||
| I understand where the errors could be. | ||
| Like, what could possibly cause it to glitch like that? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I would love it to be true, obviously, because you know, I would love it. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| The problem is the same problem that I have with UFOs and everything else. | ||
| You want it to be true? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So it really clouds my judgment. | ||
| And then I have to get my, you know, analytical mind to say, shut up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's look at this honestly. | ||
| But I mean, I think there's definitely something below the Giza Plateau. | ||
| Like that's always been written about in ancient sources and these kind of scans. | ||
| And then people kind of, you have stories of people going down into labyrinths that aren't, you know, accepted by Egyptology. | ||
| And there's definitely massive mystery surrounding Giza and the construction of the pyramids and what could potentially be below the pyramids. | ||
| And this kind of new pyramid scan project has the potential, I think, to, you know, make big progress in understanding what is below Giza. | ||
| But I don't know, until there's better data out there, I'm not going to, you know, jump to any conclusions and declarations. | ||
| declare that this is like evidence of a lost advanced technology civilization or anything. | ||
| No, you can't, but I am so excited. | ||
| about just the possibility that they're right. | ||
| Because if they are right, that throw, that's the greatest monkey wrench into history that's ever existed. | ||
| Because explain away that with ancient people with stone tools or copper. | ||
| Like, explain away that. | ||
| They'd probably try, mate, because it already doesn't make sense their explanation for the construction of the pyramids being wooden sledges and stone chisels or whatever they say. | ||
| It already doesn't make sense. | ||
| It's already so ridiculous that I wouldn't even be surprised if they try to explain away these things. | ||
| Well, that will discredit them. | ||
| Because the problem is, if it does indicate that the pyramid is something other than a tomb. | ||
| There's not I don't even see any evidence that The great pyramid at Giza, I mean, what's the evidence that that was a tomb? | ||
| I mean, did they, I don't think they've ever found a body in there? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's just a chamber, which they've called the king's chamber. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, I'm not an expert in ancient Egypt by any respect, but it's always baffled me that they're so determined that the pyramids are tombs just because some later pyramids have had, you know, mummies and pharaohs and sarcophagi found inside them. | ||
| But that doesn't mean anything. | ||
| And that doesn't mean that they built it. | ||
| That also could mean that the pharaoh decided that it was his and wanted to be buried inside of it. | ||
| And it had existed for thousands of years before they ever even got there. | ||
| And you can find bodies in, like, you know, buildings today, and that doesn't mean the purpose of that building was to be a tomb. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just buried there, so someone, yeah, as you said. | ||
| It's a weird assumption. | ||
| It's a very weird assumption. | ||
| And did you ever read any Christopher? | ||
| Christopher Dunn, yeah. | ||
| Christopher Dunn's work. | ||
| I know a bit, I haven't read his book, but I know a bit about it. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| I mean, he's like a serious guy, isn't he? | ||
| He's like an engineer. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And he has quite serious theories that. | ||
| He thinks it's a power plant. | ||
| Yeah, which would be crazy, wouldn't it? | ||
| Especially if you add into that the Graham Hancock's ideas and some of these other people's ideas that perhaps some of these structures are far older. | ||
| Well, the kind of Orion correlation and the Sphinx. | ||
| Also the fact that the deeper you go into the sand, the more sophisticated the building techniques are. | ||
| That gets weird. | ||
| Like larger stones, like what happened? | ||
| The whole of like ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in general just doesn't make sense to me because when you look at the Sahara Desert and the fact that it was green for nine thousand years and then it stopped being green at precisely the time that we're told ancient Egypt emerged, well, that doesn't make sense. | ||
| That defies how civilization works. | ||
| Why would a civilization emerge only after the climate got worse? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
| And so little research done in sub-Saharan Africa, where they've actually gone into the ground and done like large scale research of these immense areas. | ||
| Nothing, nothing. | ||
| The Sahara Desert is vast and obviously covered in sand and extremely hot, extremely difficult to survey, politically instable, and there's basically no archeological work done across the whole. | ||
| And the Sahara Desert is massive. | ||
| It's like the whole of North Africa right down to I mean, it's massive and you could fit the United States in there. | ||
| You could fit anything in there, like a whole, like preceding civilization for nine thousand years leading up to ancient Egypt. | ||
| Like it's the perfect place. | ||
| It's right by Mesopotamia, it's right by Egypt, and yet we have this blank spot for the nine thousand years before the development of civilization, which is kind of also the gap between, I mean, it's a little bit less than this, but the gap between Gabekli Tepe and the birth of civilization. | ||
| We have this huge area which would have been perfect for civilization, full of rivers, lakes, grasslands, perfect climate, and it's just missing. | ||
| Also abundant resources where they could establish a stable civilization because they had so much food and they weren't being attacked, so they could kind of set up shop and figure some things out over a long period of time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so my theory is that things were happening in the Sahara Desert when it was green, in the green Sahara, for those 9,000 years. | ||
| And then because it was really quick, that's what I don't think people realize is that when the Sahara Desert turned from, you know, green, lush paradise, whatever you want to call it, to a desert, it was like a few centuries. | ||
| It's called rapid desertification. | ||
| And it flipped, not overnight, obviously, but in a few centuries compared to 9,000 years, it's a rapid change. | ||
| And for any kind of culture that was living there, you wouldn't have noticed it straight away. | ||
| But in 50 years, you'd be like, fuck, it's getting a bit hot here. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like shit is going on. | ||
| And then I think maybe people migrated to the last stretch of green that was still available to them, which was the Nile River. | ||
| And then the kind of survivors or the migratory populations developed around the Nile River and using the kind of experience and knowledge that they had from their lives and the kind of history of their cultures in the Green Sahara period, that is what led to ancient Egypt. | ||
| I mean, that's just a... | ||
| Or even previous to that, which is also possible, especially when you consider what Robert Chalk thinks about the erosion, the water erosion and the Temple of the Sphinx. | ||
| Yeah, the kind of explanation away of that also never made sense to me. | ||
| that it's wind and sand because when you see pictures of the Sphinx even from when they kind of found it in Napoleonic times, it's buried in sand. | ||
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| And there's records from the Egyptians themselves who excavated it effectively because it was covered in sand. | ||
| So if it quickly gets covered in sand, how could it be eroded by wind and sand? | ||
| If it doesn't take very long for it to kind of get filled up with sand, then how does wind and sand erosion even count? | ||
| I've never seen anyone kind of explain that away. | ||
| Well, it's the walls that are the most fascinating to me because the deep fissures that clearly look like rainfall. | ||
| It looks like something that water does over thousands of years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and when you... | ||
| Those whales that were the whale, the Valley of the Whales. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just about, I don't know how many miles south, but it's south of Cairo. | ||
| That's bonkers too. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| They find whales. | ||
| Hundreds of whales in the desert. | ||
| how did those bones survive? | ||
| Like, why are they there? | ||
| Like, how quickly did they die? | ||
| How quickly did they get covered up by sediment that they could find them all these years later? | ||
| Because that's the weird thing about fossils and bones in general is that most of them you're never going to find because they get eaten, they deteriorate, they're gone. | ||
| It's very difficult to make a fossil. | ||
| When you think about our quote unquote fossil record, it's really weird because it's hard to make a fossil. | ||
| So we're dealing with a very small amount of beings that get turned into a fossil. | ||
| And that is what we're using. | ||
| as our understanding of like life. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is so limited. | ||
| I'm not sure when was the Juno when the Sahara was covered with water. | ||
| I'm not even sure when that was. | ||
| I mean, some people say that there's like a mass flood during the kind of younger dryest period, which I think is I think they're talking about millions of years ago for the bones. | ||
| How old are these whale bones supposed to be? | ||
| But I think millions of years ago, it's assumed that it was completely underwater, right? | ||
| So are we talking like Pangea times? | ||
| Like what are we talking about? | ||
| But even not too long ago, like, you know, kind of 12,000 years ago or whatever, they had these massive river systems like the Tamarasit River System. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| 40 million years old. | ||
| 40 million years old. | ||
| I don't know about the whales. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Primitive whales. | ||
| Primitive whales documenting, how do you say that word? | ||
| Cetacean? | ||
| How do you say that word? | ||
| Cetacean transition? | ||
| Is that how they say it? | ||
| Cetacean transition to marine life, Ceridians and reptiles as well as shark teeth from the Geneham Formation 40 to 41 million years ago. | ||
| The strata in, I won't say that either. | ||
| Wad al Hitan belongs to Middle Eocene epoch and it contains extensive vertebrate fossils within a 200 km area. | ||
| Fossils are present in high numbers and often show excellent quality of preservation. | ||
| The most conspicuous fossils are skeletons and bones of whales and sea cows. | ||
| What's a sea cow? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a manatee. | ||
| You ever see the precursor to whales, like where whales came from? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Where did they come from? | ||
| It was an ancient animal that was like a almost like a hooved wolf. | ||
| What, sea animal? | ||
| No, you mean, oh, they were land animal. | ||
| That's why they breathe air. | ||
| Of course, they're mammals, aren't they? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's super weird. | ||
| It's super weird. | ||
| It was some animal that supposedly lived on land. | ||
| And it was real freaky looking, almost kinda like dog like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that thing eventually became a whale. | ||
| I just like swimming. | ||
| I'm a good bird. | ||
| And then one day it said, I'm never going back to the land. | ||
| It's filled with assholes. | ||
| I'm just going to live out here in the ocean where all you have to contend with is sharks. | ||
| This article calls it the God of Death whale. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's what it looked like. | ||
| That's what it looked like. | ||
| But there's some images of it on land, some depictions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what it looked like. | ||
| That freaky thing was what whales came from. | ||
| That thing walked around the ground and then eventually said, eh. | ||
| It was 40 million years million years ago, is that what those skeletons are then? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Some of them maybe, right? | ||
| Because they do know that it was when whales walked in Egypt. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I was watching, I think, I don't remember whose podcast it was. | ||
| I wish I could remember. | ||
| But they were talking to some guy that found definitive evidence of dinosaurs in Egypt. | ||
| So if you go back far enough, there were dinosaurs living in that part of the world as well. | ||
| What's that one image you just saw right there with the mouth open? | ||
| Yeah, that one. | ||
| That's crazy looking. | ||
| Prehistoric whale ancestor. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Here's the sea cows. | ||
| What? | ||
| This image says a prehistoric sea cow was killed by a prehistoric croc. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And eaten by a tiger shark? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Boy. | |
| Life is hard where there's no doors. | ||
| That's the problem with the ocean. | ||
| There's no doors. | ||
| There's nowhere to hide. | ||
| So it's just constant chaos. | ||
| It is just constant things eating things in this 3D space where they can go up and down and side to side. | ||
| That's just nature, isn't it, Mike? | ||
| It's just killing everything else. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| We made it. | ||
| But we figured out doors. | ||
| We did. | ||
| We figured out walls and doors, and that changed the game. | ||
| But when did we do that, Joey? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| That is the question. | ||
| Because a lot of people would claim to think. | ||
| and the kind of consensus always is that we didn't do that until 12,000 years ago. | ||
| We didn't settle down and form permanent communities until the Neolithic Revolution. | ||
| I think that's one of the major paradigms, if you like, that we have regarding our past that simply doesn't make sense in light of new evidence. | ||
| What is that evidence that they found of wood construction from far longer than they thought? | ||
| Yeah, this is the Colombo structure. | ||
| This is something I talk about a lot in my videos because I think it's a crazy find and I don't understand why it's not kicking up more of a fuss. | ||
| If I'm the guy that has to kick up the fuss about it, then I'll be that guy because basically the idea has always been that humans were nomadic hunter-gatherers that moved with the seasons and lived in caves or just kind of walked around for all of our history until the neolithic revolution the invention of agriculture twelve thousand years ago and no earlier than that did we ever settle down and live in permanent settlements but the Colombo structure was something they found a few years ago in | ||
| modern-day Zambia. | ||
| And what it is is this, these pieces of wood, and I'll get to the point about why this wood has survived in a minute, because obviously, you know, wood surviving this long is crazy. | ||
| But there you go, yes, so the Colombo structure is these pieces of wood that have been joined together deliberately, cut in notches and connected together, tapered and secured at right angles. | ||
| And they think it was either a kind of raised walkway, like a kind of raised platform, or a house, a dwelling, a hut, some kind of structure. | ||
| And why this is so paradigm shifting is because not only does this kind of scream that humans potentially lived in permanent settlement, sorry, I haven't even said this, this is 476,000 years old, so this pre dates Homo sapiens, so allegedly. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| As in what do you mean allegedly? | ||
| Oh, because we recently found. | ||
| out that they lived 300,000 years. | ||
| I guess, yeah, it could have been us. | ||
| But what they attribute it to is Homo habilbogensis, who is our last common ancestor with Neanderthals. | ||
| So they're kind of the human species that came before Homo sapiens. | ||
| So I guess you're right. | ||
| It could have been Homo sapiens, and we're just not sure how old we are. | ||
| But it's kind of attributed to Homo habilbogensis. | ||
| And the only reason this structure survived at all is because pretty soon after its construction, it must have fallen into a bog. | ||
| And then that bog kind of got solidified over by the sun. | ||
| And then it was preserved in waterlogged sediment, which protected it from decay for almost half a million years. | ||
| years until it was discovered by us recently. | ||
| How recent? | ||
| I think about five years ago maybe, was it 2019 or something? | ||
| I'm not 100% sure, but it's crazy. | ||
| It's a monkey wrench. | ||
| Yeah, I would say it's a massive monkey wrench because not only does it kind of really dispute this idea that we didn't settle down until, you know, 12,000 years ago with the Neolithic Revolution, because I mean it's a structure. | ||
| I mean, and it's just because it's so unlikely, it's so unbelievable that this would have survived, but that kind of suggests that it's not the only one. | ||
| There could have been loads of these, like structures everywhere. | ||
| And as you said, Manhattan wouldn't live, wouldn't exist in a hundred thousand years. | ||
| So this is 476,000 years. | ||
| Yeah, it's ridiculous. | ||
| And it's just wood, which is less durable than all the other things we were talking about. | ||
| Yeah, and obviously people may be saying, well, look, clearly things survive, but this is an extreme edge case scenario where it's, it's like, so incredibly unlikely that this wooden structure would kind of sink into a bog, and then that bog be, you know, solidified over, and then it would stay in that preserved. | ||
| Like, it's a really And then that they would find it. | ||
| And then they would find it, exactly, because, you know, what would you do? | ||
| 476,000 years into the sediment. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Because we don't dig that far and look for anything sophisticated, because we think, you know, nothing happened back then. | ||
| And then you find this. | ||
| and it really suggests that humans were living in much more complex societies. | ||
| The fact that they had the cognitive capacity to plan, structurally engineer, and build a structure completely flies in the face of what we've always thought about ancient humans. | ||
| Because we've always had this idea that there's been this very popular idea in kind of mainstream historical thought that humans only got smart. | ||
| around 50 to 60,000 years ago. | ||
| And that's just Homo sapiens. | ||
| We've always thought that other human species never got smart, never achieved what we call behavioral modernity. | ||
| And this has always been the kind of idea that we went through this cognitive revolution around 50 to 60,000 years ago. | ||
| And the most obvious proponent of how entrenched this is in kind of academic thought is, have you ever read the book Sapiens? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, by Yval Noah Harari. | ||
| It's an extremely popular book. | ||
| It sells something like 60 million copies worldwide. | ||
| By far the most popular book about prehistory and, you know, the story of Homo sapiens ever written. | ||
| And Sapiens didn't kind of do anything new. | ||
| It didn't, I think Harari himself would admit this. | ||
| It didn't, it didn't, it kind of just collected the consensus of academia and presented it in a nice, digestible way to the kind of layman audience. | ||
| But he took this idea that's always been present in academia regarding human intelligence, which is that while we've been around for quite a long time, we didn't achieve behavioral modernity until 50,000 to 60,000 years ago. | ||
| And that's when we started apparently displaying complex cognitive traits like abstract thinking and planning and burying our dead and art. | ||
| Art. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And complex language and things like that. | ||
| But this just completely flies in the face of that, because if we had the capability to plan, construct and engineer a structure 476,000 years ago, mainstream anthropology was off by over 400,000 years regarding the advent of intelligence and the advent of permanent living. | ||
| And that's, I mean, that's quite the error. | ||
| 400,000 years. | ||
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| So that kind of suggests they could be off by similar margins about other developmental claims because... | ||
| Well, it's also when you think about the history of the Earth, there are times that we know that there was, like, there's great bottlenecks that occurred because of some sort of a massive natural catastrophe, like the Toba volcano. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right, the Toba volcano, which was 70, 70,000 years ago? | ||
| Was that what it was? | ||
| 70,000, yeah. | ||
| Brought people down to a few thousand survivors on Earth. | ||
| Yeah, and there's loads of these bottlenecks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you look at our kind of genetic history, and I mean, does that suggest that something happened? | ||
| Right, well, you're thinking about what evidence there is, and then you think about, well, there's no one left except a few thousand people 70,000 years ago. | ||
| So it's possible that there's been this rise of some sort of a civilization, and then massive catastrophe and a reconstruction, just like if we're talking about the younger Dryas, which is in this time period we're talking about, you know, when you're dealing with 476,000 years ago, fairly recent, right? | ||
| Very young. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And think about the 6,000 years it took for civilization to reemerge from that. | ||
| Now you think of Toba and you knocked down the entire population of the planet to what did they think it was? | ||
| See if you can find out what the number was. | ||
| I think it was very low. | ||
| I think it was below three thousand people on Earth. | ||
| On Earth. | ||
| Yeah, just around one thousand people. | ||
| One massive supervolcano, which is, by the way, just like Yellowstone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It could have happened again. | ||
| That motherfucker is bubbling too. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| potentially almost all of humanity leaving around 3,000 to 10,000 humans left on the planet. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And the supervolcano isn't the only thing. | ||
| There's so many others. | ||
| What time period is this, Jeremy? | ||
| Seventy four,000 years ago. | ||
| So that's quite recent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of our story. | ||
| Well, in terms of your theory that I thought was one of the most interesting ones that you brought up that in your videos, you were talking about how anatomical humans, just based on what we've agreed to, based on what we found 300,000 years, like what are the possibilities that there have been civilizations that have emerged and were destroyed, and then there's no evidence of them. | ||
| Yeah, because, I mean, aside from the preservation problem, which we kind of already talked about when you get up to these massive time scales, you know, very little is going to survive, especially when you think about what early humans were likely building with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's probably the things they could find in their environment. | ||
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Right. | |
| Wood, hide, plant remains. | ||
| You'd have nothing left. | ||
| Just look at what we know about the Amazon now because of LiDAR and because of, you know, what is his name? | ||
| Percy Fawcett. | ||
| Percy Fawcett. | ||
| Because these people that made these journeys down there looking for these complex civilizations that at one point in time, now we know did exist there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just 100 years later, they called those people liars because they went back to the same place and there was nothing left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so that's always been, you know, thought of as myth or pseudoscience that it's kind of that most popular idea of lost civilizations was civilizations of the Amazon and it was always dismissed. | ||
| Well, here's what's really crazy. | ||
| Have you seen Detroit? | ||
| Have you seen the evidence of Detroit? | ||
| Where trees are going through houses? | ||
| And that's like 50 years less. | ||
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| Or if you look at Chernobyl, the kind of exclusion zone where no one lives, it's already like trees everywhere and like nature is already taking root after less than half a century. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bizarre. | ||
| And then you 100,000 years. | ||
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Right. | |
| 300,000 years. | ||
| Seriously, what's going to be left? | ||
| Very, very little. | ||
| And then if you go 200,000 years, I mean, if anatomically modern humans, if we've discovered them at 300,000 years, what if somebody digs one that's 2 million years old? | ||
| Then what do you do? | ||
| Then you've got to go, oh boy. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| And then there's also this thought that Neanderthals were stupid. | ||
| They're kind of abandoning that now too. | ||
| They're thinking they had language, they had tools, they had society. | ||
| They definitely did. | ||
| There's so much evidence. | ||
| And this kind of puts into the cognitive revolution argument, which is that we were the only smart species. | ||
| Like our name that we gave ourselves, Homo sapiens, literally means smart man. | ||
| It's always been the idea that we're the smartest humans and that's why we won. | ||
| And to be fair, we did win. | ||
| We did win. | ||
| Whatever you want to say. | ||
| We might just be the most evil. | ||
| Yeah, we might be the most evil. | ||
| We might just be the luckiest ones, you know? | ||
| Well, we're the weakest, so we probably had to be evil. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We had to figure out weapons that were would be able to defeat the Neanderthals who had, by the way, larger brain capacities. | ||
| I think they were just as intelligent as us to be honest. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's a claim that probably some people would dispute, but I think there's lots of evidence that they were very smart. | ||
| Well, necessity is the mother of invention, right? | ||
| And if you're physically weaker than these other things that are as intelligent as you and far stronger. | ||
| Like you gotta get devious. | ||
| You gotta figure some stuff out. | ||
| But like did we even, I mean, either, I mean, maybe they got wiped out by something like disease or did they even get wiped out? | ||
| Because if you even look at the DNA of non-African humans, it's something like 20% in some populations is Neanderthals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're kind of still here. | ||
| Well, they just sort of interbred. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is also weird because most species can't breed with other species. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just, you know. | ||
| But we're very, I mean, we're very closely related to Neanderthals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| The whole history of humans is weird and for academics to deny this possibility, to me, seems so short sighted. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It was silly. | ||
| I think we're on the brink of a quite massive shift in our perspective regarding progress. | ||
| I think so too, and I think it has to happen where, I don't mean to say this to be cruel, but the old people have to die. | ||
| It's that quote, isn't it? | ||
| Science advances one funeral at a time. | ||
| I hope it doesn't take that long, though, to be honest. | ||
| I hope it's just in the next few weeks. | ||
| Well, the good thing is a lot of scientists don't take care of themselves. | ||
| Which is also weird. | ||
| When you see super intelligent people that are obese and eat terrible food. | ||
| Or health experts that are such. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Air quote, health experts. | ||
| But it is, for me, a great service. | ||
| And one of the things that I find very promising is that a lot of young academics are embracing a lot of alternative ideas, whether quietly or whether they're doing it publicly. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think the advent of the internet and shows like this or the medium of podcasting has really kind of democratized the access to information and allowed people with theories that potentially wouldn't have been able to get out there in the pre internet era where they were kind of you had to go through an academic institution to get a theory heard or debated. | ||
| Now, anyone can say anything for better or worse, and that can reach millions of people. | ||
| And then, if it's an idea that's popular, then it can kind of be in the public eye, and then it can be debated properly. | ||
| I think that's only a good thing. | ||
| Obviously, there are negative aspects to that. | ||
| But I think that will increase... | ||
| it's out there. | ||
| now. | ||
| People can look it up and people can see that this is completely opposed to what we've always been taught regarding prehistory. | ||
| And isn't it kind of arrogant to assume that they know who built it too? | ||
| That's weird too, because they're basing it on this assumption that human beings didn't exist back then. | ||
| At least Homo sapiens didn't exist back then, which is also being challenged over and over again. | ||
| Yeah, the fact that they base it on Hadalbergensis is literally just because we found some Hadalbergensis remains like 200 km away. | ||
| And they're like, well, okay, well, it's Hadalbergensis. | ||
| I mean, it could have been, to be fair, but it could have been. | ||
| But I mean, right now there are people that are living in Africa and 200 km away from them are apes. | ||
| So if one day they found structures, you know, in the future, said, oh, these are made by chimpanzees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of crazy. | ||
| I mean, that's the thing about history is it's all based on massive assumptions. | ||
| It's not like a hard science. | ||
| It's interpreting evidence. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| Like, that's how we do it. | ||
| but that's why I don't... | ||
| It's the only way to do it. | ||
| So that's why I don't get why people make these definitive conclusions and then don't allow anybody to kind of speculate or hypothesize about anything else. | ||
| It's gatekeeping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gatekeeping. | ||
| It's academic gatekeeping. | ||
| It's also these people that have been teaching this one thing forever being threatened by the fact that they were wrong. | ||
| The last thing in actionademic wants to hear is like you wrote this book this stupid book this book misled people for decades you were so wrong like they will fight it with every ounce of their being because it's essentially their identity their identity is being the gatekeeper of their understanding of human history yeah they built a whole career around it and they've you know as you say it's their identity they've been the knowledge the keeper of knowledge on a particular subject. | ||
| But it's gross because it's ours. | ||
| It's the whole planet. | ||
| It's all the human beings. | ||
| It's like, do you have a few nerds who you wouldn't want to hang out with in real life? | ||
| And these are the guys that are telling us we can't explore these. | ||
| things. | ||
| And those are the people that are attacking Graham Hancock with every possible insult, calling it the most dangerous show on television. | ||
| But it's also, it's so revealing because it's so obvious that if you watch this show, you're like, wait, this is the most dangerous show on TV? | ||
| Ancient Apocalypse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, how is it dangerous? | ||
| He's like, just talking about these bizarre structures that exist that seem to defy our modern understanding of how things are built. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when I mean, I don't agree with absolutely everything Graham Hancock says, but when I look at, you know, these ideas of, you know, human intelligence. | ||
| potentially stretching back 500,000 years as displayed by the Colombo structure or permanent living. | ||
| I would argue that it could go back a lot further than that. | ||
| When you take into account that these abilities could have stretched back half a million years, when I then look at someone like Graham's work, it seems so plausible. | ||
| I don't see why it's seen as so outrageous that, because 12,000 years ago, which is kind of when he proposes there could have been a, you know, a sophisticated civilization that was potentially wiped out by a cataclysm, when you look at that from the perspective of, oh yeah, we've been intelligent for half a million years, it doesn't seem very, it doesn't, it seems very plausible to me. | ||
| Not only that, it's 450,0000 years after the first structure now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But no one's even no one's talking about this. | ||
| That's what's weird is that no one's talking about that. | ||
| It's just me. | ||
| As far as I can tell. | ||
| It's not just you, it's like those academics as well that found it. | ||
| To be fair, the guy that found it, the archaeologist that found it, said that he never could have imagined that pre Homo sapien, and again, it may not be pre Homo sapien, it could be Homo sapien, but he said it's completely paradigm shifting that they had the capacity to plan and build something like this. | ||
| But again, there's no fuss about it. | ||
| It's just a paper was written and it was put out there, and then it's that's it. | ||
| Well, these things take time. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Yeah, I mean more of these conversations and more people have to understand that these things are being discovered and that we are kind of confused about so many things about human history. | ||
| And we're being told that, no, there's people at the universities that have all the answers and that it's literally not possible that they're telling the truth. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| And that's why I get so excited about the structures under the pyramid. | ||
| Because it's a gigantic fuck you. | ||
| It would be the most gigantic fuck you of all time if they found out that those scans are accurate and there's these pillars that are wrapped in coils that go down like hundreds of meters meters, and then below them there's additional structures and the whole. | ||
| And they think it's all connected as well. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which is like, if Christopher Dunn is correct about it being some sort of power plant, and that reveals, like, how the thing worked and functioned. | ||
| That's way more advanced than us. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| In some ways they already are. | ||
| I mean, we can't explain how they did it even based on a kind of conventional model of history. | ||
| I know, and we lie. | ||
| I've talked to so many people. | ||
| Like when I had Zowie Hawass here, and he's explaining to me. | ||
| It was the National Project. | ||
| It was the National Project. | ||
| Like, oh, that'll fix it. | ||
| We should make our National Project to breathe underwater and fly through the air. | ||
| Like we should make that our national project to go to other planets and live there in case Earth gets blown up. | ||
| What are you talking about, man? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah, they just don't want it. | ||
| And it does kind of make me worry. | ||
| Like I don't really delve into the kind of conspiracy side of things, because I mean, I just I try to stay kind of based in Not me. | ||
| I go right in. | ||
| I mean, I do in my own time and stuff. | ||
| I mean, in my own head and stuff. | ||
| But in terms of like my. | ||
| Which one do you dive into in your own head the most? | ||
| I sometimes combine the UFO one with the ancient civilization one. | ||
| I do too. | ||
| And I think what happens if, you know, a civilization from a million years ago got so advanced that we can't see them. | ||
| and then that's what the UFO thing is, is just someone from this earth that doesn't really need the space anymore and they're just watching us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sometimes I think about that. | ||
| But obviously I don't talk about that in my videos because I don't need to give anyone any more ammunition to send for me. | ||
| Well, there's also the genetic engineering one. | ||
| Oh, you mean like that? | ||
| Yeah, like why humans are so different than everything else in the first place. | ||
| Like that's weird. | ||
| The doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years is really weird. | ||
| What does that refer to? | ||
| Is that from habilis to erectus? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Is that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Let's Google it. | ||
| Because I've heard people say that and I've always thought, I guess that must be from Homo habilis to Homo erectus from just two million years ago. | ||
| It's an immense leap that is, like Terence McKenna used to say, it would be bizarre if it was a liver of an otter that doubled over a period of that amount of time. | ||
| But the fact that it's the very organ that allows us to contemplate and to understand human existence in the first place, and that that organ doubled over a period of two million years, like, what happened? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got the wackiest theory, because he thinks it's psilocybin mushrooms. | ||
| I think there could be something to that. | ||
| I mean, because, you know, ancient cultures have always used psychedelic substances and basically all the way up until Western civil society kind of took hold. | ||
| It's always been an integral part of human culture and human society. | ||
| And then us in our modern world have decided to outlaw that. | ||
| And I think that's a tragic mistake, to be honest with you. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And I think history will reveal that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One day. | ||
| And I think that is also one of the good things about discussions that are happening on the internet that are kind of unchecked and untethered by academia. | ||
| So you can talk about these things. | ||
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| The Sonyan website says it's actually tripled over the time we've tracked it. | ||
| A low increase from six to two million, but a larger increase 800 to 200,000 years ago. | ||
| And then the article goes that's when the aliens landed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I don't even buy that though because Hadalbergensis have the same cranial capacity as us and they go back 900,000 years. | ||
| So that's another thing I saw before. | ||
| But maybe that's Orexus they're talking about. | ||
| Brains don't fossilize. | ||
| Deteriorate leaving a cavity inside the brain case. | ||
| That's part of how they know some of this info. | ||
| Sometimes sediments will the cavity harm me and natural endocast scientists also make artificial endocasts to study like the ones above. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Yeah, we're a weird creature. | ||
| Well, did you say it was 2017 that they discovered modern humans 300,000 years ago? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| And where was that? | ||
| It's in Morocco. | ||
| So that's in Morocco, right. | ||
| You said that. | ||
| So imagine if they found something similar in China. | ||
| Well, that would fuck everything up because of the Africa thing and that would really fuck everything up. | ||
| But I mean, it could happen. | ||
| Well, it wouldn't really even fuck it up. | ||
| It would just push it back. | ||
| I guess so, yeah. | ||
| But we, I mean, we're not even supposed to have left Africa until this time of the cognitive revolution. | ||
| And that's always been one of the points, like, oh, look, we got smart, we left Africa sixty thousand years ago. | ||
| But that's never made sense to me either, because Homo erectus managed to migrate out of Africa and colonize lots of Asia and parts of Europe over a million years ago. | ||
| And if they're supposedly inferior to us, then how can they make this massive leap? | ||
| And Heidelbergensis did it six hundred thousand years ago. | ||
| And if they're supposedly inferior to us, how come they did this? | ||
| And so, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I try not to delve into the out of Africa thing, because it's, I don't know, it gets a little controversial sometimes. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Well, it gets controversial when you bring in aliens too, because aliens become racist. | ||
| It becomes racist because now you're not accrediting the Africans to building the pyramids. | ||
| Well, I watched this very bizarre discussion between some guy that was trying to claim that it wasn't Africans that built the pyramids, that it was white people that built the pyramids. | ||
| So there are people that have this sort of racist idea of the construction of the pyramids. | ||
| But you can't attach that to everyone who's speculating about the construction because it's too, the things are too weird. | ||
| It's too weird. | ||
| And let's assume that it was Africans that built the pyramids. | ||
| But if we are assuming that, like, how were they so much. | ||
| smarter than everyone living today? | ||
| How were they so much smarter? | ||
| Let's say it's 4,500 years ago. | ||
| How were they so much smarter? | ||
| What was going on? | ||
| Like, what happened? | ||
| Did they get visited by aliens? | ||
| Did they discover something that allowed their understanding of physics to be just so much greater than anyone else who's ever lived? | ||
| Like, what did they discover? | ||
| Like, what were they encountering? | ||
| What were they consuming? | ||
| What were they doing? | ||
| What were they teaching each other? | ||
| We lost so much in the burning of the Library of Alexandria, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's, that's, it's quite sad, really, isn't it, Sevillna? | ||
| to be honest, like there would have been a lot in there. | ||
| I'm not sure 100% what happened with that. | ||
| I'm not sure if it was one burning or several burning. | ||
| Yeah, but clearly a lot was lost. | ||
| But then the question is, like, what did they even know? | ||
| Like, what if it's older than that? | ||
| Like, what if all that stuff, what if, you know, this is one of the things that Zawi Hawass was very reluctant to, he's like, what is this? | ||
| I was talking about the kings list that goes back 30,000 years. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What if that's accurate? | ||
| Yeah, and the Sumerian one does too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It gets real squirly when you only want to accept some parts of history. | ||
| And that ties into the Green Sahara thing that I was talking about. | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
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| they have king lists that go back this far and yeah we say that some of them are myth and to be fair they have kings that reign for like a thousand years which is a bit weird it's a bit weird probably not I mean unless you're talking some kind of alien thing then that probably wasn't human but that might just be because it would have been a long time ago for them too when they were writing these king lists But it doesn't mean that their civilization only started with the first dynasty. | ||
| What we've decided is the line between myth and fact. | ||
| Because that's a modern interpretation after the fact. | ||
| They never made such a distinction. | ||
| Yeah, and this idea that they lived a thousand years. | ||
| Well, have you ever read the North Korea's depictions of Kim Jong Un's first day playing golf? | ||
| Yeah, it's propaganda. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, he made like nine holes in one. | ||
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| He was the greatest golfer of all time. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So it's like you're writing about kings. | ||
| He lived a thousand years, fire came from his dick. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, what are we talking about? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We don't know what they were writing. | ||
| We don't know who wrote it. | ||
| We don't know how fantastic it was, how much hyperbole was involved. | ||
| But we do know that we accept the king's list when it comes to around 2500 BC. | ||
| We start accepting it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you don't accept this possibility that it might actually go far, far, far earlier than that. | ||
| And the whole the pyramids thing kind of plays into the fact that stone is one of the only things that survives and pyramids are these massiveive stone constructions. | ||
| Like, ironically, they would be one of the only things from our, not that they really count as our civilization, but from the modern world, the pyramids would be one of the only things that could survive in a hundred thousand years. | ||
| So it makes you think, like, how long have they been there? | ||
| And I think the Egyptians definitely undertook some kind of construction project around the time of 2500 BC. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Because there are records of them saying they did stuff, but that doesn't mean because they have all these records, but there's no record of how they built it. | ||
| Well, they also the buildings that they made that were after 2500 BC are dog shit. | ||
| So much worse. | ||
| They just immediately forgot how to do it again, straight away. | ||
| They were trying to copy and they just couldn't do it. | ||
| They didn't have the math, they didn't have the engineering, the stones are smaller. | ||
| And no one's claimed they didn't claim credit for the pyramids, which is weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why would you not claim it? | ||
| It's all weird, it's all weird. | ||
| It's the weirdest, right? | ||
| So it's the one thing that if you're a logical person and you think you know the timeline of history, you think you understand human civilization, you think you understand like how intelligence evolved and how technology and innovation evolved, and you see that, you're like, oh, I don't know shit. | ||
| I don't know shit. | ||
| Like, how is that statue so big and perfectly symmetrical? | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| How are these just these vases that they don't understand? | ||
| Oh, is that a replica or is it a 3D? | ||
| This is a 3D model of a real vase from Egypt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're doing some good work on this, aren't they? | ||
| People like on the internet. | ||
| Did Christopher Dunn give this to us? | ||
| I think he did. | ||
| It's probably him, yeah. | ||
| But, you know, Ben from Uncharted X, he's done a lot of work on these things. | ||
| Like, those just those vases are very bizarre. | ||
| Very bizarre. | ||
| And they appear right at the start of the Egyptian dynasties. | ||
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| And they forgot to do that as well. | ||
| We have no idea how they made them. | ||
| We don't know what tools they used. | ||
| Anyone that says that they do, you're lying. | ||
| You really don't know. | ||
| You can't know. | ||
| These things are perfectly symmetrical. | ||
| They weren't turned on a lathe because they have handles. | ||
| The way they measure them when you look at like the deviation from round and like how it's it's like a thousandth of a human hair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And it's made from incredibly hard granite. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the hardest stone to do that with. | ||
| So what are we talking about? | ||
| Like who were these people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is kind of crazy.zy. | ||
| And then you have the statues that are perfectly symmetrical. | ||
| Perfectly symmetrical. | ||
| The faces are just incredible. | ||
| And massive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Unbelievably huge. | ||
| So they moved them there and then they carved them perfectly symmetrically. | ||
| It looks like they're 3D printed. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| It just screams at a lost technology. | ||
| It screams that these people had some sort of information and some sort of education that is like on a different path of our. | ||
| We went the way of the internal combustion engine and transistors and electronics. | ||
| And they it seems like they wanted went a totally different way, but maybe even further. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we're scrambled in like our pathway to advancement is the only one that the human mind and all its infinite creativity can conceive of. | ||
| And this is another point regarding like, you know, culture that could have flourished back in 100,000 years ago or whatever. | ||
| We're always looking for ourselves in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's so many different ways that we could have gone because why did it have to be mass farming, mass population growth, and then, as you say, kind of industrial progress. | ||
| It could have been so many different forms of human development and human lives. | ||
| Well, it could have been if they had enough animals., they mostly ate animals. | ||
| Yeah, or fish or something. | ||
| Yeah, mostly ate animals and fish, which is probably healthier for you anyway. | ||
| You know, really what grain is is survival food. | ||
| Yeah, we all got like shorter and less healthy when that happened. | ||
| Yeah, because we didn't get the right amount of protein. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| our jaws like shrunk because people were eating gruel. | ||
| Like if you look at part of the world where people are eating a lot of like pork You just corral a bunch of animals, you build a fence and then you eat them. | ||
| And you don't really have to grow rice. | ||
| So many different ways that culture could have flourished. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yeah, we're always looking for it. | ||
| And we just don't know where to look as well in the record. | ||
| Like one point people always make in like my comments and stuff to try and debunk me is like, oh, we would see pollution. | ||
| We would see kind of lead signals in the atmosphere or whatever if there was like a big civilization 100,000 years ago. | ||
| But that's only the case if it was someone on the scale of us now. | ||
| Because they were doing it the way we're doing it. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| We're talking about a completely different pathway. | ||
| Clearly, there's some technology that they had that we don't understand. | ||
| When you talk about the drill holes that they find or the way they had carved out these enormous mass We don't know the unfinished obelisk. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| The unfinished obelisk, that's bananas. | ||
| So many of these things that they cut out of the ground and absolutely moved are bananas. | ||
| So it's like, what kind of. | ||
| technology? | ||
| Why are we assuming that it's going to be some internal combustion engine that spreads out terrible pollution? | ||
| What if they had figured something out? | ||
| I would say it's entirely possible. | ||
| It's entirely possible because we're going to eventually. | ||
| If you give us another thousand years, you won't be able to recognize any of this nonsense that we use for technology today, especially when AI gets involved. | ||
| Did you see that thing where a quantum computer supposedly went one second back in time? | ||
| I did. | ||
| I was reading that. | ||
| Is that bullshit? | ||
| No, they discovered it six years ago though. | ||
| It's not new. | ||
| What? | ||
| Six years ago, well, still, that's our story for 2019. | ||
| But still. | ||
| It went back in time. | ||
| Yeah, by one second and some way in quantum. | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's math. | ||
| But that's us. | ||
| Now imagine that technology that was science fiction 20 years ago, right? | ||
| Go back to like the movie Alien and look at their stupid computers that they had. | ||
| That's what they thought people were going to have when they were starfaring people. | ||
| Now think of this quantum computer experiment where it goes back in time one second and then go forward 1000 years. | ||
| We're talking about 4,500 years ago. | ||
| We might be off by 1,000. | ||
| So go to 5,500 years ago. | ||
| 6,000. | ||
| If you're listening to John Anthony West, he thinks it's 34,000 years. | ||
| That's what he thinks. | ||
| And that sounds so crazy, but then you look at the length of time we've been around and it's still quite recent. | ||
| Yeah, it's still quite recent. | ||
| And that lines up with the Sphinx, doesn't it? | ||
| With the kind of that's the processional cycle. | ||
| How much evidence of a quantum computer from 34,000 years ago would be left? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if we did get pelted by comets, which. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| I saw an estimate, I think it was from NASA, but I'm not one hundred percent sure, but it was from a kind of scientific journal that the Earth is hit by what they define as a cataclysmic impact every 100,000 years. | ||
| So that's an impact that's capable of wiping out a third of today's population every 100,000 years. | ||
| And 100,000 years sounds like a long time, but again, we've been around for 300,000 years. | ||
| So theoretically, we've been hit by a cataclysmic impact three times already during our story. | ||
| And that both has the potential to completely wipe out anyone that was doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not the only thing. | ||
| You've got supervolcanoes, as we talked about. | ||
| You've got pole shifts, you've got solar flares, you've got glaciers just scraping across the landscape and just completely erasing the record. | ||
| You've got sea level rise. | ||
| Sea level rise is a massive one because, I mean, where have we always lived? | ||
| By the coasts. | ||
| And if you look at the kind of fluctuation of sea level rise over the last 100,000 years, 200,000 years, 300,000 years, sea levels going in and out by hundreds of kilometers at a time, and nothing is going to be left. | ||
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| Wild stuff. | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| It is wild stuff. | ||
| But again, if someone is a historian and they got into this. | ||
| Someone's an archaeologist and they got into this because they have this fascination for it. | ||
| For them to become professors and then start teaching and writing books about this stuff and not still be fascinated by the new stuff is to me so weird. | ||
| It's like you missed the whole reason why you got into this in the first place. | ||
| You got into this in the first place is because you're trying to figure out what happened? | ||
| How did we get to this point? | ||
| And if there's evidence that shows that we don't have the full picture and you're ignoring that or dismissing that or. | ||
| The thing is, when you go through these kind of systems and I'm I've sort of got experience of this. | ||
| Obviously, I was never a professional academic or anything like that. | ||
| But, you know, I did history for four years. | ||
| I was kind of inside and I got to the point where it was almost, you know, it was do this as a career, become a professional academic or not. | ||
| It's very hard to kind of even think this way because everyone around you is thinking within these boxes that we've created for ourselves. | ||
| And so it's very hard to kind of open your mind. | ||
| And you kind of have to do it in private as well, because no one else is talking in those terms around you. | ||
| And you're surrounded by people that think in quite limited terms. | ||
| And I don't say that to kind of be offensive or, you know, doubt anyone's intelligence. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's the culture. | ||
| And it means that no one is. | ||
| It's very hard to think outside the box when you're kind of in that culture. | ||
| And I think that's kind of what creates these, you know, rigid systems of thought. | ||
| It's also kind of fear based because it's not just discouraged. | ||
| They'll attack you. | ||
| I mean, they attack each other even when they are within the box. | ||
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Viciously. | |
| years ago. | ||
| And that was the established timeline of the Clovis people. | ||
| And then when they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000 years old. | ||
| Yeah, and they hated that as well. | ||
| They hated that. | ||
| Of course they hated it. | ||
| But they hated it just because they were wrong. | ||
| It's all it is, man. | ||
| It's human ego. | ||
| It's so gross. | ||
| And this brings me back to psychedelics. | ||
| Because what do psychedelics do that's most important? | ||
| Well, the dissolving of the ego. | ||
| It's one of the most important aspects of it. | ||
| It makes you realize the folly of your ways. | ||
| You know, and all of these people that are supposed to be the academics, they're supposed to be the enlightened ones. | ||
| They're not enlightened. | ||
| They're just, they have information and they hold that information as it's their identity. | ||
| And they're right about a lot of things because they have been studying it and they do deserve credit for that. | ||
| What they've done is amazing and the understanding that these academics, these archeologists and historians can give us of our world and our history is really cool. | ||
| It's really awesome. | ||
| But there's a whole lot more out there. | ||
| And for them to pretend and dismiss people like they should embrace people like Graham Hancock and then they should correct him when he's saying something that is wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But instead of lying and then calling them a racist and saying all these terrible things about them. | ||
| Well, that just shows me that you don't really have an argument and you're trying to protect your identity. | ||
| Your identity is the gatekeeper of this information that is not yours to gatekeep. | ||
| It's for the whole human race to understand what the hell happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I wish that, you know, we've seen a surge in interest in ancient history and prehistory and, you know, the story of our species through people like Graham Hancock, who have kind of created a massive interest in this subject, but instead of embracing that, they see it as a threatat and I think that's really sad, to be honest. | ||
| And yeah, I think it kind of hurts the discipline in general because if you kind of like embrace that and like brought him in to the table and spoke to him and kind of agreed to have the discussion, then it would create a much kind of more healthy debate around these things. | ||
| And when you talk about the Clovis kind of narrative, it because we think that we know what happened and thus we know what didn't happen, it means that people aren't even looking for stuff that now we know was there. | ||
| So like they didn't dig deeper than the Clovis layer until very recently., because they knew that humans weren't around until Clovis, but obviously that was wrong. | ||
| So they could have missed so much stuff and they probably did. | ||
| I mean, have you seen that? | ||
| There's like a, to be fair, I think Graham mentioned it on the show, the Sarui Mastodon site, which is like 130,000 years ago in America. | ||
| I mean, if that's human, which it kind of looks like it is. | ||
| That's debatable though, right? | ||
| Isn't that debatable? | ||
| Because the way the bones are broken, it could have been from some sort of an accident or an avalanche or something, right? | ||
| Yeah, it is debatable. | ||
| But it's also, it could be human. | ||
| Like, it could easily be human. | ||
| Because it kind of looks like human markings on bones. | ||
| I mean, so it looks like scrapings, like they're scraping the marrow out of the bones. | ||
| I mean, the marrow out of the bones. | ||
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| Exactly. | ||
| Or some kind of primitive. | ||
| But why couldn't it have been human? | ||
| I mean, it didn't necessarily have to be Homo sapiens, but why couldn't another human species have got to the Americas? | ||
| Well, it seems like they certainly could have if they were here 22,000 years ago. | ||
| Like, why exactly. | ||
| What was that time, why did they figure it out then? | ||
| And how did they do it, right? | ||
| That's the question, how did they do it? | ||
| And we know that people were seafaring from what was the earliest seafarers? | ||
| You could argue that Homo erectus seafared 800,000 years ago, which is just mental. | ||
| Could you really? | ||
| Well, they reached places that were isolated, and some people say, you know, they kind of floated there accidentally. | ||
| Which is possible, but it seems a bit weird that you'd then like survive and colonize a place. | ||
| See, that's where it gets so squirrely. | ||
| If Homo Erectus made a boat, that's bananas. | ||
| I mean, Neanderthals were definitely making boats, and this points to how intelligent they were. | ||
| They were making sophisticated boats and sailing across the Mediterranean and colonizing places like Crete well over 100,000 years ago. | ||
| Well, we know that the North Sentinel people, they arrived by boat from Africa 60,000 years ago. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so at least then people were seafaring. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| And probably way earlier than that. | ||
| So why would we assume they wouldn't get to the Americas? | ||
| That seems crazy. | ||
| I mean, bigger journey, to be fair, but then I guess if you. | ||
| go across the top. | ||
| Oh, you're doing it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you go across the top and kind of hop down along the coast, then not so hard. | ||
| Well, when also there's a problem, it's like if you go back 12,000 years ago, Canada's covered in ice. | ||
| There's nothing there. | ||
| It's literally all ice. | ||
| So where are they coming from? | ||
| They have to be coming from the south. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, there's the kind of theory regarding the Polynesian kind of island chain, hopping across to Easter Island and then making one last hop across to South America. | ||
| Oh, that's a crazy hop. | ||
| Going the other way. | ||
| It is a crazy hop. | ||
| It is a crazy hop. | ||
| The people have always done crazy. | ||
| Just the fact that they did it in the 1400s is banana. | ||
| It's pretty crazy. | ||
| It was pretty crazy. | ||
| It was bananas. | ||
| And they did that with tech that was, you know, no tech. | ||
| They just did it with the stars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And wood. | ||
| But then you get to what, how do you say that ancient Greek symbol, that ancient Greek mechanism that they found? | ||
| Oh, the Antikythera mechanism. | ||
| I never could say that. | ||
| Antikythera. | ||
| I'll try. | ||
| I'll try to remember. | ||
| Antikythera. | ||
| But I always forget it. | ||
| But that thing is bananas. | ||
| Like that when they first found it, it just looked like a hunk of shit. | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| And then when they got a better understanding, I think it was like a long time after they discovered it that they go, oh wait a minute, these are gears. | ||
| Like, what it? | ||
| So how can you see it basically? | ||
| 2000 year old computer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At least he and also that's not the first one. | ||
| Like no one just someone didn't just develop that and was like, here you go. | ||
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Right. | |
| You fucking made a computer. | ||
| Like it was clearly like a long history of very, very technical stuff in ancient Greece. | ||
| And it could well have been the ancient Greeks, but also it could have been like, well, where did you kind of, where's the, what's the history of this technology? | ||
| And more technical than, like, this modern automatic watch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, modern automatic watch, if you look at the inside of them, it's crazy. | ||
| There's springs and gears, and it's all within, like, this Saiko is like within, I think it's a couple seconds a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's crazy. | ||
| And it's all these little, and it moves, it has no power source other than the movement of your hand. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| hand yeah and then no that's because they're 72 hour power reserve so for 72 hours you let it sit there just from the power of your hand from wearing it for a few yeah yeah yeah that's a cool watch nuts isn't that nuts but that's normal that's a normal thing for a modern watch with these little tiny gears this thing's way crazier than yeah yeah and it's 2,000 old. | ||
| At least. | ||
| What do they think it was for? | ||
| I think they thought it kind of like tracked the lunar cycles and the kind of elliptical movements of... | ||
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I'm not sure. | |
| Have you See if you can find that because it's. | ||
| that, that's the most eye opening of it. | ||
| Because you're bringing this back to the time of Christ. | ||
| And someone made a computer during the time of Christ. | ||
| Like, okay, what are we missing? | ||
| Like, Graham's quote is the best. | ||
| I love this quote. | ||
| We are a species with amnesia. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's another quote that I really love. | ||
| Things just keep getting older. | ||
| And things do keep getting older. | ||
| They keep getting older. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is something that people resist for some strange reason. | ||
| And I don't understand it. | ||
| I think it's just because it's attached to these folks like Graham. | ||
| Yeah, that's the one. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| That's what it used to look like. | ||
| This is a modern reproduction of it. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| But that is what it used to look like, right? | ||
| That's off of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, show me the modern reproduction of what it looked like. | ||
| Just imagine. | ||
| Okay, someone 2,000 fucking years ago figured that out, and they have these little representations of the stars and the planets, of the sun, and then all the planets surround it. | ||
| Like, first of all, how do they know all that? | ||
| How are they seeing these planets? | ||
| Like, do they have a telescope? | ||
| Like, what are they – how do they know how many planets are in our solar system? | ||
| What did you base this on? | ||
| And no equivalent technology ever, like, re-emerged until, like, you know, like, the 16th century with, like, Swiss clockmakers or something. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it just makes you wonder, like, how old is that, and what's that from? | ||
| What were the, you know, was there other stuff like this that we never find? | ||
| When I googled, uh, Percy Fairs. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the, uh. | ||
| I think that's the Homo erectus thing. | ||
| I Googled it and crossing the Aegean Sea, it says they might have been doing... | ||
| But that is I don't know what evidence. | ||
| That is a crazy thing to read. | ||
| Some evidence suggests that man may have crossed the sea as early as 700,000 years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Aren't you happy you're born today? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Imagine trying to gut it out, tough it out. | ||
| Take the boys and go and cross across some fucking sea in a wooden raft. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you want to have eaten your friend because there's no food left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of amazing that we got as far as we did. | ||
| But it's really amazing when they find things like that. | ||
| Is the Antikytherum mechanism I said it right? | ||
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He did. | |
| He nailed it. | ||
| I'll try to remember. | ||
| But just the fact that we found one of those, and it makes you wonder, like, what, what they had in Egypt? | ||
| You know, what they had two thousand years before that? | ||
| What did they, you know, what did we miss? | ||
| I'm digging into the stone stuff where you're talking about frequencies. | ||
| There's a I saw a video recently that doesn't explain all the Egyptian stuff, but there were frequencies coming out of these rocks that I don't think everyone is currently, like, studying. | ||
| People have studied it. | ||
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People have studied it. | |
| That's very basic, but like there's the king's chamber and the reverberations that happen. | ||
| I was reading from Archimedes, I think, this quote here. | ||
| When the priests sing the hymns of the gods, they sing the seven vowels in due succession. | ||
| The sound of these vowels has such euphony, I think that's that word, that men listen to it instead of the flute and the lyre, the lyre. | ||
| So from 200 or 200 BC. | ||
| There's like so many ancient sites that are all built with kind of acoustic resonance in mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's what I was getting into this. | ||
| I was trying to find the proof of it. | ||
| Someone made a video I saw recently where this semantic stuff shows up all over the place in some ancient sites, definitely obviously in churches and cathedrals. | ||
| But this is what happens when you put sand on a plate and hum on it or put certain vibrations, yeah. | ||
| And how you stumble across this and it just so happens to be the same thing we're like, we're discovering now. | ||
| What is that image of? | ||
| What is that golden? | ||
| This? | ||
| Yeah, what's that? | ||
| It's a cathedral. | ||
| I looked at it a second ago. | ||
| Is that in Canada? | ||
| No, the article is from Spain. | ||
| It's in Spain. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That is wild. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was looking into the oldest doors people found. | ||
| The oldest doors only like 5000 BC and it was found in Switzerland somewhere. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| There's an act, the oldest act of doors in the UK. | ||
| It's from 900 AD, I think. | ||
| What are those images of sacred geometry from? | ||
| And that right there, Leonardo da Vinci's original drawing of the flower of life. | ||
| What, Da Vinci? | ||
| What drugs are you taking, son? | ||
| How is he seeing that? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's ancient imagery, right? | ||
| That's sacred geometry. | ||
| Those depictions have been around for ever.ever. | ||
| He was a crazy dude, Da Vinci, in a good way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Smart guy. | ||
| Bizarrely smart. | ||
| It's weird when you have these outliers, these outliers that come out of nowhere, and like he had like a working model of a flying machine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he had like three jobs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Crazy guy. | ||
| And he was an amazing artist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of, you know, these outliers that just how many of them we never heard of? | ||
| How many of them were from 30,000 years ago? | ||
| How many? | ||
| Just we have such a limited understanding of our history. | ||
| And I always think, like, if something happened to us right now, what would really be left? | ||
| The real problem is everything is either on paper, and there's not a lot of it on paper anymore. | ||
| It's on hard drives. | ||
| And those things would get cooked. | ||
| If there was just a massive solar flare, something huge that took out our power grid and destroyed all of our cell phone towers and all our satellites, no more electricity. | ||
| And even if it didn't get cooked, what would you do with it in 100,000 years? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you found that, you wouldn't know what that was. | ||
| You wouldn't know what that was. | ||
| You would have to devise a new version of Windows to read it. | ||
| You know, it would take so long and it would probably have been corroded and wasted away. | ||
| It wouldn't be recognized. | ||
| Long before that. | ||
| Especially if something happened, it was underwater, especially if, you know, the entire world is on fire because we get hit with a comet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like there wouldn't be much left. | ||
| And this is like a really shitty way to store information. | ||
| It's a bit, it does feel like a bit of a risk, doesn't it? | ||
| It's a giant risk. | ||
| Everything we've ever learned and, you know, discovered and thought about is. | ||
| Well, you know what happens when your phone dies and you don't have a backup phone? | ||
| You're like, oh no, I don't know any anyone's number. | ||
| And we do that with our entire civilization's knowledge. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so then you would have just stories and myths of what things used to be like. | ||
| There was an all female flight crew at Delta. | ||
| You're like, what? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| You know, oh, they had satellites. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Like, what is the thing is, like, I wonder how many of the satellites would still be in orbit or whether their orbit would deteriorate and they would come crashing down to Earth. | ||
| I think they would decay like relatively quickly, I think. | ||
| I mean, I'm not sure, but lots of them would, I think. | ||
| And when we're talking big time scales. | ||
| Yeah, let's think, let's Google that. | ||
| How many satellites that are in orbit today. | ||
| See if put this into AI. | ||
| How many satellites that are in orbit around the Earth today will be there in 100,000 years? | ||
| Does perplexity have an answer for that? | ||
| I think it's unlikely that anyone else was doing like space travel and stuff. | ||
| Unlikely. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe not possible. | ||
| I don't think there's anything on the moon, for example. | ||
| I think we'd probably see that. | ||
| Yeah, that's the weird one, right? | ||
| There's bases on the dark side of the moon and they're watching us. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| You know, well then there's the weirdestness of the moon itself, that it's the absolute perfect size and the perfect distance to completely block out the sun. | ||
| That is weird, isn't it? | ||
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Real. | |
| It's weird. | ||
| It's real weird because it's not kind of right. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| It's very precise, yeah. | ||
| It's very precise. | ||
| So you would need the precise size and the precise distance. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| And there's also the fact that it stabilizes our atmosphere. | ||
| It stabilizes our environment. | ||
| Yeah, I guess the argument for that is we wouldn't be here if it wasn't. | ||
| If it wasn't the exact right. | ||
| This is the best answer I could say. | ||
| You might have to read the whole thing, but there's thousands of satellites burning up each year in the atmosphere is what I got to the end of. | ||
| Oh, so thousands of them crashed down? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, they... | ||
| That's why I was trying to track that down. | ||
| The first one only lasted three months. | ||
| So Sputnik won the Soviet Union in 1957. | ||
| Three months later, it fell out of orbit. | ||
| It seems like they worked up to about a 25-year rule where they only expect it to last that long. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's not going to crash down. | ||
| So in 25 years, there's nothing left. | ||
| But I was trying to google how long would till the last one if they stop putting them up how long until the last one crashes down it seems like 25 years that's why then I couldn't get a good answer that way. | ||
| Did you put it into AI? | ||
| I didn't, because I don't want to. | ||
| I don't like asking questions you don't know the answer to to AI. | ||
| I don't like asking questions I know the answer to to see. | ||
| Well, I just like to see how it thinks. | ||
| I like to see if it's going to just bullshit you and lie to you, or if it's going to. | ||
| That's why I want to know when it's bullshitting me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't like knowing when it doesn't. | ||
| Because you just have to trust it. | ||
| Well, it's also basing all its information on websites. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't know what year it was trained on. | ||
| I was watching people talk about sports cards. | ||
| They're like, it's not updated in the last three years. | ||
| So you don't even., you can't use this data. | ||
| It's not good data. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Which one was that? | ||
| I don't know which one they were talking about. | ||
| There's so many AI opportunities out there. | ||
| It's funny watching people on Twitter use Grock and try to get Grock to say things it doesn't want to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you realize, oh, there's an information blockade of what Grock is allowed to talk about. | ||
| The thing is, you can just make it, you can kind of trick AI to say whatever you want it to say. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen people do that. | ||
| Like trick it into saying, like, how would you make a bomb? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's almost the bad thing about it is you can, it kind of becomes your own little echo chamber after a while if you, if you want it. | ||
| to, if you can convince it to. | ||
| Well, we've done a really terrible job of taking care of most people. | ||
| And when then you give these people access to the kind of power that AI provides them, they're going to ask naughty questions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they, you know, it's great fun though. | ||
| They're not living in harmony. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because we, uh, we're a selfish being. | ||
| We're a selfish creature. | ||
| It's a crazy thing though, the kind of advent of large language models and artificial intelligence, and it's mad. | ||
| Well, it's also we're in the middle of it. | ||
| It's happening right now, which is real weird. | ||
| So like in our lifetimes, we're potentially witnessing the biggest change to civilization since the pyramids. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Even in my lifetime, like I was born in 1997, didn't really have, I had to dial up the internet. | ||
| I remember when I was a kid and then, you know, smartphones came along and then obviously things like AI and it's just, it is, it is pretty ridiculous. | ||
| I was 27 years old before I ever got online. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was when I first got a computer and I got on AOL. | ||
| You've got mail. | ||
| It's like, I've got mail. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and you could go to chat rooms and read about stuff and you could download information. | ||
| So I'd print stuff about UFOs and like, this is the future. | ||
| I'm living in the future. | ||
| And we're very fortunate, I think, that we got to see what life was like with a primitive use of the internet to what it's become now to a quantum computer can go back a second in time to, you know, what is coming next. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| What's really weird is imagine if this has been done before. | ||
| We're assuming that it hasn't. | ||
| But imagine if... | ||
| It kind of makes sense. | ||
| I mean, it sounds preposterous that they did, but why? | ||
| Why if we can do it? | ||
| Why if we can do it? | ||
| Maybe it's just a thing if you leave humans undisturbed for a long enough amount of time with food, they start figuring things out. | ||
| If you can keep them from killing each other, and maybe that's the beautiful thing about the way Egyptian technology had advanced, they didn't split the atom. | ||
| Maybe they figured out something else that they couldn't turn into a weapon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they were definitely doing some pretty mad stuff. | ||
| And then if you look at those kind of granite boxes they made, the completely smooth surface, I mean, they clearly had some form of technology that we don't attribute to them. | ||
| I think that's undisputed. | ||
| I mean, it is disputed, but I don't think I don't see how you can logically kind of look at what they were doing and not think they had some kind of technology that, you know, we don't traditionally attribute them to. | ||
| But whether that means they were like some crazy advanced civilization or it was built by some other advanced civilization, you know, that's, you know, a bit more hypothetical, but they were clearly doing stuff that we can't appreciate today. | ||
| So that logically suggests they had, you know, something that we don't understand, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when you find Antiquity from 2000 years ago, it makes you just really think, like, okay, what did they have? | ||
| Well, ancient Greece was very inspired by ancient Egypt. | ||
| So, I mean, that could have well have come from there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we, you know, we're just guessing. | ||
| We're just lost in guessing. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's all about interpretation, isn't it? | ||
| All of history is about interpretation. | ||
| It's not a hard science like, you know, physics. | ||
| I mean, physics is kind of crazy too. | ||
| It hurts my head, man. | ||
| That's too much for me, all that quantum physics stuff. | ||
| But have you ever heard of the Silurian hypothesis? | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe I have. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's kind of linked to this, it's linked to this, you know, ancient civilization stuff. | ||
| It's the idea that there could have been an advanced civilization on our planet, you know, 100 million years ago, a nonhuman one. | ||
| one that you know was uh advanced and industrial and we just wouldn't see any trace because of how long ago it was and they could have been here and you know we just wouldn't know because it's been so long it's kind of like where I come from with my kind of human idea of obviously it's a further uh time span but it's been it was proposed by two physicists is why I uh why I just thought of it just then it's a guy called Adam Frank and uh I've had him at Adam on before. | ||
| You've had him on? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Adam Frank. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I mean, didn't he mind? | ||
| We had him on, Jamie. | ||
| Didn't we? | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| You can see what's going on. | ||
| That's a problem that happens all the time. | ||
| We're like, yeah, we've had them on. | ||
| I know we have. | ||
| I knew we had. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You just wanted to check because I have been wrong before where we talked about a guy. | ||
| I'm like, who's that guy? | ||
| And then I talked to him for three hours. | ||
| Yeah, it's happened before. | ||
| But so this idea is that something else other than human beings. | ||
| It's just the idea that if it had, we wouldn't know. | ||
| And because the Earth's been around for so long and complex multicellular life appeared, you know, relatively early in our like four billion year history of the Earth or whatever, I'm not sure on the dates, but we've been around, the Earth has been around for so, so, so long. | ||
| And we know that intelligence can emerge because it emerged with us and happened relatively quickly when you look at the kind of massive time scale that the Earth has been around and how long multicellular life has been around. | ||
| So their idea is kind of like, well, what if, you know, a civilization in the kind of era of the dinosaurs had, you know, become very advanced and industrial society? | ||
| And they say we would see absolutely no evidence. | ||
| When I'm talking about human civilization, we would see some potential evidence, like, you know, rock, carved stone or whatever. | ||
| But they would say you wouldn't even see the nuclear waste deposits because it's that long ago that nothing would survive. | ||
| And then I think about that and I think, well, isn't it almost more likely that something did happen considering we know that intelligence can emerge relatively quickly? | ||
| Multicellular life has been on the planet for so so so so so so long. | ||
| Limited understanding of the fossil record. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Why couldn't something have happened before? | ||
| And then you start getting a bit stoner about it and you start thinking, well, maybe they're still here I like to go into dimensional. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think like, well, if you do have these quantum computers that can go back one second in time and you... | ||
| Like what do they cease to do these beings cease to exist in this dimension? | ||
| Do they develop the ability to be transdimensional? | ||
| Do they no longer exist in our space and time? | ||
| Is that like the emergence of this new life form and then they observe us? | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
| Well, I feel like if you kind of survive, you know, a lot longer than we have and you kind of get to a different, like, kind of level of intelligence, then why would you need the kind of physical body? | ||
| Why would you need the physical realm? | ||
| And why couldn't you kind of diverge different dimensions if such a thing is possible like we certainly can imagine it taking place somewhere else on another planet with a similar atmosphere that supports life and a given maybe they live in a solar system that doesn't have an asteroid belt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Right? | |
| Because there's, I'm sure they must exist. | ||
| They're not getting pelted all the time. | ||
| We're just in a shitty neighborhood. | ||
| We're basically in a neighborhood that gets shot up all the time. | ||
| A shooting gallery, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a shooting gallery. | ||
| And imagine them achieving where we are at, but then plus a million years. | ||
| And you can go, oh yeah, well, I guess all bets are off in terms of what's possible. | ||
| You know, a hundred years ago, people were freaking out if they saw a car. | ||
| Now we're sending video from a tiny little screen on your phone. | ||
| Across the world. | ||
| Instantaneously. | ||
| It's all nuts. | ||
| And we don't even blink at that. | ||
| You get pissed off if it doesn't work. | ||
| You're like, what the fuck are I talking to this guy in Australia? | ||
| And instantly, like, why is my phone not working? | ||
| And, you know, people are addicted to staring at it. | ||
| It's like it's pulling you into its gravity. | ||
| It's all very, very weird stuff. | ||
| Yeah, we adjust very quickly to... | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| Yeah, how technology develops. | ||
| it's just getting faster and faster and faster it makes you think where will we be in a hundred years in five hundred years if nothing happens yeah where will we be um i think we'll be somewhere really weird. | ||
| But I'm hoping that as we do advance and wherever we're going to be, it'll help us understand where we came from. | ||
| Like, you know, like if AI and super intelligence starts examining the history of the human race, then things can get very interesting. | ||
| and maybe it could give us places to look like we need physical you know This is like prime place to look. | ||
| Yeah, I kind of flip between like quite a pessimistic outlook and quite an optimistic outlook on these things. | ||
| Like sometimes I think like it's just gone and we're never going to know and we can speculate for as much as we like but it's gone and then sometimes I think no like you never know there's so many places that are just completely unexcavated completely unexplored that we haven't looked at like you know believe the Sahara on the the the ocean floor by these um could I have some coffee please yes that'll be right thank you of course and then it's all these places that you know we haven't explored and as you say technology like AI thank you cheers thank you You know, | ||
| I think sometimes I think, yeah, maybe we are going to make like these massive discoveries that are going to completely shift our understanding of history and as you say, the kind of ge Giza, the findings beneath Giza, that could be a moment. | ||
| And I'm always looking for that. | ||
| But then sometimes I flip again and think, you know, maybe we'll never find anything. | ||
| And I just don't know. | ||
| Maybe I'm just speculating for no reason and I should just stop. | ||
| Have you seen Ben on Uncharted X? | ||
| He has a very recent video of these, There's these underground structures in Egypt that he says are bigger than the Giza Plateau that are underground. | ||
| I haven't seen that. | ||
| I love his channel, but there's a historical record of these things where people had talked about. | ||
| them like, you know, way back, even explorers had visited them and found them to be more spectacular than what is actually on the ground, that the underground thing was even crazier. | ||
| And that begs the question, why, why underground? | ||
| Why, why do we find all this underground construction all over the world? | ||
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Hey, whoa, was that? | |
| That's his theme music. | ||
| I even recognize that. | ||
| Shout out to Uncharted Yes, he's coming on soon to talk about this very thing. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| really awesome and he spends so much time down there so um he did something you talked about he did a video on the kind of unknown ancient site. | ||
| So the unknown ancient site said to be greater than the pyramids, confirmed with satellite scans. | ||
| Okay, yeah, I haven't seen this. | ||
| Give us the coming up. | ||
| Just play it. | ||
| Just so many different techniques. | ||
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The Geoscan and Merlin borrow satellite technologies, I mean, they're vastly different techniques, they seem to be aligned. | |
| They're telling you the same things. | ||
| So they found something, like there's something down there. | ||
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| The central object is hard to classify. | ||
| It appears metallic, not stone or wood. | ||
| A free standing, forty meter long, metallic, Tic Tac shaped object approximately what 50 60 meters below the ground in a huge big open corridor an atrium come on like this this is a remarkable climb it's a crazy video and he goes deep into the history of people talking about these sites and even ancient explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt would talk about how it was even more spectacular | ||
| underground here it is this is how do you say his name Petrie yeah he's he's written a lot because he was like one of the first people in Flanders Petrie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So are those the names of the sites he's talking about? | ||
| Hawara, Diyama, and Arsone, Arsione. | ||
| Yeah, Hawara is definitely a site. | ||
| Arsenal. | ||
| So it says... | ||
| Also the temple of Mut and that of, how do you say that? | ||
| Khonsu? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Khonsu and Amenhotep III at Karnak. | ||
| Also the two great temples of Luxor and still there would be room for the whole of Ramesses. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| In short, all the temples of the east of Thebes, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering these names, folk, and one of the largest of the West Bank might be placed together in the one area in the ruins of Hawara. | ||
| Here we certainly have a site worthy of the renown which the Labyrinth acquired. | ||
| So this is an ancient explorer who's talking about he actually got into this area. | ||
| The problem now is it's all submerged. | ||
| So it's been flooded and it's very difficult to do any kind of archaeological work on it now. | ||
| Yeah, because he was one of the first people in. | ||
| Yeah, the first in people. | ||
| They're like crawling into these holes and swimming in now. | ||
| It's it's real weird. | ||
| It's like you could die there. | ||
| So someone's got to figure out how to get the fucking water out of there and what is that. | ||
| So if this guy is accurate with what he's talking about, again, explain that. | ||
| Explain how you've got something that's even greater than what you're seeing above the surface underneath, fifty meters down in the stone. | ||
| And why underground? | ||
| Why? | ||
| So much harder. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What, like, what were they doing? | ||
| Were they hiding? | ||
| Is this like what happened when Cataclysms took place? | ||
| They said, Well, listen, we need to develop a way to survive these things, let's get underground. | ||
| And there's so many all over the world as well. | ||
| There's, like, people are always, well, ancient people, people are always building underground construction, and we can't explain how they did it, who did it, or why they did it today. | ||
| And again, no one, well, no one in the mainstream really looks into that. | ||
| Yeah, that site in Turkey, wasn't it supposed to house like two thousand people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's a big number, like two thousand people? | ||
| At least I think, I can't remember off the top of my head, but it's huge. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| I think it might be 20,000 people. | ||
| It's Massive. | ||
| That sounds better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sounds more exciting. | ||
| But it is massive, and they don't know how they did, and they carved it out of stone. | ||
| They don't know who built it. | ||
| There's no evidence of the stone being left anywhere. | ||
| It's not like there's a big pile of it outside of it. | ||
| It's real weird. | ||
| Yeah, 20,000. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. | ||
| So 20,000 people, livestock and food stores, extending to a depth of approximately 85 meters underground. | ||
| And no one knows who built that. | ||
| That's just crazy. | ||
| and their kind of argument is that they built it to protect themselves from an invading army but Yeah, and then start fires. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that seems silly. | ||
| It seems like more likely what they were doing was escaping whatever the fuck was on the surface. | ||
| And so who built that and why and how old is it? | ||
| Because again, it's, you know, it's stone that could survive for so long. | ||
| Right, and also, did you build it after a cataclysm? | ||
| Like, how do you do it? | ||
| Do you know it's coming and that's how you build it? | ||
| No, you didn't know it's coming unless it happens regularly and they realize the only way to survive it is to get underground. | ||
| Well, I guess you could, you know, it could be the remnants of an earlier culture that was wiped out and then they had like a memory of maybe passed down three minutes. | ||
| Look how nuts that is. | ||
| I was thinking to like no one know how like leaf cutter ants do it. | ||
| This couldn't have been the first one they made. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're trying to figure out how to make all those chambers to breathe and stuff. | ||
| That's so bananas do that that's 85 meters into the ground. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| And then another great one is Longyu Caves in China, which is just there's just zero explanation of what that is or who built it. | ||
| There's no record of its construction. | ||
| It's have you seen Longyu Caves? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, pull that up. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| That's nuts too. | ||
| Absolutely crazy. | ||
| How old is that supposed to be? | ||
| No, no one knows. | ||
| They have no idea who built it. | ||
| It's just like, well, what is this? | ||
| You know? | ||
| And they don't know who built it. | ||
| There's no record of who built it. | ||
| They don't know what it was for. | ||
| There's no deposits of stone. | ||
| There's no tools found nearby. | ||
| Do they have a theory of the timeline? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I mean, to be fair, it's in China, so it's kind of like it's not it's a found in 1992. | ||
| Oh, a farmer. | ||
| Four farmers. | ||
| There's 24 of them looking like that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| 24. | ||
| At least 2000 years old. | ||
| Go to a video of it so we can see. | ||
| Because the caves, when you people, when people walk around it with a camera, it's ban just like who's building that wall? | ||
| And why? | ||
| You can still visit China without going to jail? | ||
| What happens? | ||
| Oh, this is Mike Collins. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| Wondering Wolf. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's the one who does all that stuff about that wall in Montana too. | ||
| Yeah, the sage wolf. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| That Montana thing is very weird. | ||
| I go back and forth on that one being man made or Yeah, that's the case for so many like of these things. | ||
| It's like it could be natural, but then not this one though. | ||
| This is definitely not fucking natural. | ||
| Can you imagine in 1992 some farmers are just fucking around and they find this? | ||
| Find 24 of them as well. | ||
| And they're like, yo, what did we find? | ||
| I think the carvings are modern. | ||
| Oh, they are? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think that's not the parallel lines. | ||
| They don't know what they are. | ||
| They have no idea why the parallel lines are there. | ||
| But I think the kind of carvings depicting like mystical Chinese stuff is a kind of modern addition. | ||
| Oh, like brand new? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, it's like since they discovered it. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Like, even those on the wall right there? | ||
| That's so gross. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I may be wow. | ||
| It might be worth checking. | ||
| I'm not so sure. | ||
| I hope they didn't do that. | ||
| Oh, that would be gross. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's always that site has just always baffled me. | ||
| Because again, if you look at the Wikipedia page for that site, it's just like three lineses. | ||
| But it's like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the carvings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are those really old? | ||
| Or are those modern? | ||
| What made you think that they're modern? | ||
| Because I did a little video on, I mentioned this in a video on during my research of that. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Oh, so in the research you found out that they were modern. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So the lines, it seems to be, the parallel lines seem to be like how they dug all the stuff out, like one layer at a time. | ||
| Would you think that? | ||
| Yeah, but like how and what using what? | ||
| Right. | ||
| 24 of them. | ||
| And also they're all so precisely identical. | ||
| It's like what tool you're using to make sure this was so identical. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like what tool are you carving stone with to make a giant cave. | ||
| One particular cave stands out for its detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people, and figures, closely resembling the eight immortals from Taoist mythology. | ||
| These depictions suggest a deep connection to Taoism. | ||
| Whether these carvings were a part of the original structure or added later after the caves were rediscovered in 1992 remains a topic of debate. | ||
| After close examining of the carvings and noticing of unique method used to chip away the rock for these images, it seems likely that they were added later, perhaps turning the cave into a sacred place reflecting the religious beliefs at the time. | ||
| Oh, so some gross people carved into it in 1992. | ||
| That's so crazy that you did that guys because that's probably what people have done throughout time. | ||
| I bet that's, you know, probably the people that put their dead body in the pyramid. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the thing with all the other things in Egypt is they've people have carved hieroglyphics onto there, but that doesn't mean that that's when the original thing was built. | ||
| Can you go back to the video, please, Jamie, of that site so we could see like what it looks like when you're walking around in it? | ||
| Because the fact that they don't really know who made it and the fact that these farmers found it in 1994, when you see the scope of it, that's where it really star sets in. | ||
| Unbelievably big. | ||
| Yeah, because I think like images are cool, but the way this guy's walking around it, you really get it. | ||
| And then you have to time it's up by 24. | ||
| Can you imagine those farmers? | ||
| They're like, should we tell anyone? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If we don't, they're going to kill us. | ||
| They might kill us anyway. | ||
| How much was added then afterwards if they did the carving? | ||
| How much like stairs? | ||
| Oh yeah, all the stairs were added for sure, I bet. | ||
| Right, the stairs that that guy's on? | ||
| It looks too new, obviously. | ||
| But again, what was this for? | ||
| Like, why did they do it? | ||
| Like, it looks new. | ||
| All that shit looks new. | ||
| Yeah, why did they? | ||
| Like, what is this? | ||
| The carvings. | ||
| I mean, let's say maybe they're trying to make the carvings to make it seem like it was older and people would come wonder and just come look and it'd be a tourist attraction. | ||
| Like maybe without art they didn't think it would get enough people to visit. | ||
| I think it's also to kind of connect it to kind of, you know, more like contemporary cultural China rather than because, I mean, who knows how old this could be. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Because it's stone. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| The fact that they just found it. | ||
| Just stumbled on it. | ||
| That's what's the weirdest thing about some of the discoveries. | ||
| Because that's the same with Gobekli Tepe. | ||
| It was a sheep herder, right? | ||
| If someone found Gobekli Tepe in the 60s and they didn't think it was was anything so they left it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's like that guy fucking missed the boat a little bit. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, some American archaeologists found it in the 60s. | ||
| When did he find it? | ||
| I can't remember, but they found like a little bit of it and they were like, ah, this is clearly just some, like, you know, contemporary Bronze Age society. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| That guy must have shot himself. | ||
| He missed the boat a little bit. | ||
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He could have been a Stoic. | |
| So I could have been the guy. | ||
| Instead of a fucking sheepherd. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it was a guy who just found like a stone, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, here it is, 1960s. | ||
| Survey conducted by archaeologists from Istanbul University and the University of Chicago found some flint and limestone artefacts, but they didn't perceive the site as anything more than a medieval cemetery. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| Whoopsies. | ||
| Whoopsies. | ||
| Yeah, that was the find of your career. | ||
| And you found the nuts. | ||
| What a slip up. | ||
| So the sheep herder that found it, I think he just found like a corner of something. | ||
| And he like kicked it with his boot and was like, what is this? | ||
| And then he started looking around, scraping it off. | ||
| And then I think once he realized it was really big, they started, he was like, maybe I should call somebody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Call somebody that knows how to dig. | ||
| The whole like five percent excavation thing is so popular puzzling at Gabekli Tepe because, I mean, to be clear, that's kind of how that's like normal practice, I think, for archaeology. | ||
| But you would think that Gabekli Tepe is like a bit more of a special case. | ||
| It's such an implication. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| That's that should. | ||
| But it's also, they make a lot of money off of tourism, of people visiting it the way it is. | ||
| And that would disrupt everything if you had a bunch of eggheads digging into the ground all around you. | ||
| I see that. | ||
| But, you know, then they started doing weird stuff like planting olive trees above the ruins. | ||
| And everyone was telling them, like, hey guys, if you do that, these trees are going to grow roots. | ||
| The roots are going to destroy what's underneath them. | ||
| And they're like, no, everything's going to be fine. | ||
| And then they realize, oh, it's actually destroying what's underneath it. | ||
| That's like a microcosm of the problem with a small section of very vocal kind of mainstream archaeologists. | ||
| I think the whole tree controversy regarding Gabekli Tepe is because it was Jimmy, right? | ||
| Jimmy brought it in. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He didn't go there anymore, you know. | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| He might have snuck in recently. | ||
| He did a video, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I think he's banned from the country. | ||
| From the whole of Turkey. | ||
| I think he's banned from the site at the very least. | ||
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It doesn't make sense because we're mad at him for telling the truth. | |
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| Whatever you think of Jimmy, like he was right. | ||
| Let's find out if he's banned. | ||
| I don't want to get Turkey mad at's probably the birthplace of civilization. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| Of what we think of as civilization. | ||
| I mean, there's so many different things that they've found in Turkey now that's starting to lean people to think that maybe that spot, maybe we've, you know, there was probably a bunch of places like that in the Middle East where civilization had sort of emerged from whatever had happened before. | ||
| Or the Sahara. | ||
| Or the Sahara. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think about the Rishart? | ||
| Let's get that in a second here. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Turkey should have banned me when they had a chance. | ||
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if my prior Jimmy's so crazy. | |
| If my prior work on Gobekli Tepe upset them, what I will share in the coming days, weeks is going to take things to another level. | ||
| But because we are, we were cunning around various security protocols and aided with exceptional timing, we got the footage. | ||
| Our ancient history belongs to humanity, I agree. | ||
| Anyone that opposes that has no place controlling our lost history. | ||
| Good for you, Jimmy. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, whatever you think about him, he was right about the trees. | ||
| And the fact that they had these people kind of coming out defending the trees and saying the trees were good for archaeological sites just Yeah, I don't know what Jimmy has a degree in, if anything, but he clearly knows a lot about ancient history and he's really interested in it. | ||
| And this, again, this gatekeeping. | ||
| Like if you watch his videos and he constantly gets smeared with all sorts of different horrible claims that he's this and he's that. | ||
| It's like, if you watch his videos, you know that's not true. | ||
| He's just a guy who is very fascinated and deeply informed on a lot of the timelines of all these different things and how interesting they are. | ||
| And he likes to make videos of them and that's a good thing. | ||
| Why shouldn't he be allowed to speculate? | ||
| He's just a guy speculating. | ||
| And he's really fair and balancedanced with how he talks about the Atlantic. | ||
| And he's good at it, man. | ||
| He puts together arguments really well. | ||
| And you just mentioned the reshut structure thing. | ||
| I've watched his videos on that. | ||
| And like, it's interesting, man, the way he kind of connects what Platon was saying about Atlantis and brings it all to the reshut. | ||
| It's interesting stuff. | ||
| It's very interesting, because it's also, he talks about how Platon would talk about the mountains to the north and the river to the south. | ||
| It's like, this all lines up. | ||
| Concentric rings. | ||
| Concentric rings in the same size as was described as Atlantic? | ||
| And the Tamar Rasset River System used to run through. | ||
| So it was surrounded by water. | ||
| So it could have been. | ||
| Well, how come everybody's like, nah. | ||
| Well, it's a little bit of that, but it's also because this YouTube guy is the one talking about it. | ||
| If they admit that he was right, that would drive them fucking crazy. | ||
| They had to with the trees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They had to move them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is amazing. | ||
| But I think he's right about Atlantis too. | ||
| I think he might be right. | ||
| There's something about that that's weird. | ||
| It's also weird if you look at it from a satellite perspective, the satellite imagery where you get to see where it all looks like it's been washed over by water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the whole thing looks exactly like sand looks when the tide comes in and then pulls back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all rippled and it looks like it was pummeled by water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And match the sinking into the sea in a single day and night. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And also, like, how many stories from ancient history depict floods? | ||
| There's so many of them. | ||
| Like, we can't, are we going to ignore all of them as myth? | ||
| Well, the idea that myth doesn't hold any kind of use in understanding the past is just ridiculous because the myth is powerful because it's the thing we've collectively remembered as a species, isn't it? | ||
| So why would we dismiss that as a kind of, you know, historical record? | ||
| And then you've got examples of like indigenous cultures that, I always go to this example of these kind of islanders during the tsunami in 2004. | ||
| And they went, it was the Andaman Islands and the kind of, you know, western scientists or whatever went to the island after the Boxing Day tsunami and they were like, oh, everyone's going to be dead. | ||
| Like, they're all going to be wiped out by the tsunami. | ||
| And they were fine because they had this myth in their culture that when the sea recedes, you get to high ground because then the waves are going to come that will eat men. | ||
| And that myth, you know, that has encoded scientific information regarding tsunamis and that saved their culture's lives. | ||
| And they had like no casualties compared to, you know, western or modern people who. | ||
| were in that place. | ||
| Everybody else was like, Wow, look at all the sand. | ||
| Yeah, and they were like, What? | ||
| I thought the beach was over here. | ||
| Yeah, and they would get fucking killed. | ||
| And then these people with their myths, scientific information, survived. | ||
| There's a guy who was hiking in Russia when the most recent tsunami hit and he was on a cliff and you see the ocean come in and like reach the top of the cliff where his dog is. | ||
| See if you can find it. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Because he films the thing coming in. | ||
| Like this guy is way above the ocean. | ||
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| When it starts. | ||
| And then the water is reaching where he is with his dog. | ||
| It's just further testament to the power of nature. | ||
| We just constantly underestimate nature. | ||
| And that was just a little wiggle in the ocean. | ||
| That's just a little wiggle. | ||
| Just a little earthquake. | ||
| Little earthquake, little, little eight pointer. | ||
| And then you think about some of the shit that's going on during all time on Earth. | ||
| Comet impacts and like, watch this. | ||
| So look how high this guy is, right? | ||
| Way up. | ||
| Way up, right? | ||
| And so as he's up here, you know, he's seeing the waves come in. | ||
| Now he must have known that this was going to happen because everyone knew this was going to happen. | ||
| So watch how it's coming in now. | ||
| And now it keeps coming. | ||
| It keeps coming all the way to the top where he is. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Look at his dog. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| His dog's like, yo. | ||
| I would be freaking out. | ||
| I would be running on the air. | ||
| I wouldn't trust it. | ||
| What if it goes over the top where you're at? | ||
| You're just guessing. | ||
| Bro, look how high this water gets. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| Yeah, he's out of thin air. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| The dog's about to get jacked. | ||
| I mean, if you get trapped in that, like, the bitch, you are not swimming to shore. | ||
| That's your life. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| I don't care if you're Laird Hamilton. | ||
| Well, he might swim through that. | ||
| But isn't that nuts? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you're fucked. | ||
| That water got all the way to the top of that hill. | ||
| And that is like doesn't even register in the news. | ||
| Yeah, that's just like things happen all the time. | ||
| That's a thing that happens. | ||
| It's just like a thing. | ||
| Like, no big deal. | ||
| No one will remember that in five years. | ||
| No one will remember that in ten years. | ||
| But if a fucking comet slams into the ocean right there or slams into a glacier, a comet the size of, you know, a few city blocks, that's a rap. | ||
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| That's a wrap. | ||
| You have massive flippings. | ||
| This isn't speculation. | ||
| We look at the Tunguska impact, and that was the same sort of comet storm that we passed through at the same time of year, and it flattened like this enormous. | ||
| chunk of Siberia that still doesn't have trees on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was, that's a pretty small thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it didn't even hit his aerial bust. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So. | |
| And if that had happened over a city, that's like millions dead. | ||
| Millions. | ||
| So that could be happening on this planet on a regular basis. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's just kind of facts that we get hit by stuff. | ||
| Yeah, we're always finding a crater. | ||
| We're like, oh, this one's three million years old. | ||
| Look at this fucking crater. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Three million years ago. | ||
| Everyone's fucked. | ||
| If that estimate is correct that we're hit by, you know, a cataclysmic impact once every hundred thousand years, then, I mean. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Well, that's where it gets really weird if you're talking about like an advanced civilization like, you know, millions of years ago. | ||
| Like, imagine if there was some sort of advanced life form millions of years ago and then something like that hits. | ||
| Have you seen that wheel that's like 300 million years old? | ||
| Or it's like a preserve, it looks just like a wheel. | ||
| Have you seen the others? | ||
| Jamie, could you please search 300 million year old wheel? | ||
| Are you on TikTok a lot? | ||
| Like, where are you getting this from? | ||
| I've just seen it about and like, it looks like a wheel. | ||
| It doesn't mean it is a wheel, but it looks remarkable. | ||
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Well, there's some of the stuff from Yeah, that's the thing. | |
| It just kind of looks like a wheel and they found it in a mine and then they flooded the mine, which is a bit weird.. | ||
| But there's a couple better images of it. | ||
| I don't know if they'll be on this page, but yeah, there you go. | ||
| That looks like spokes and a wheel. | ||
| I mean, could be natural, but I mean, what the fuck is that, you know? | ||
| That looks really weird. | ||
| Now, what are these, these fossilized tracks? | ||
| Yeah, these are also super old. | ||
| They're called kartrots. | ||
| Again, found in Turkey. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Including Sovka, where they like how I said that? | ||
| Where they cover an area approximately 45 by 10 miles. | ||
| And how do you say that one? | ||
| But there's a lot of words that that I didn't know how to say. | ||
| Cappadocia, home to several clusters of tracks. | ||
| The discovery of these ruts around the world has sparked debate regarding their purpose, age, and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of the tracks to megalithic structures and the fact that some are now submerged beneath the sea. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen some of them in Mozambique. | ||
| And they go off cliffs. | ||
| Many researchers suggest these fossilized lines indicate significant antiquity. | ||
| So if this is like Is there a natural explanation for those kind of formations? | ||
| I don't see anyone providing. | ||
| No one has an idea? | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| They're definitely man-made because listen to what this says. | ||
| I first saw tracks in stone, fossilized car or terrain vehicle traces, usually called cartruts, on Newgate plantation surfaces, peniplene in Figrian. | ||
| Phrygian? | ||
| Phrygian. | ||
| Phrygian plain in May of 2014. | ||
| They were situated in the field of development of middle and late, how do you say that? | ||
| Miocene? | ||
| Miocene tufts and tufts, tufites. | ||
| And according to age analysis of nearby volcanic rocks, had middle Miocene age of 12 to 14 million years. | ||
| Yes, so this is Turkey, not Malta, but again, I mean, you've got these cartruts that look like, you know, some sort of track and it's millions of years old and then you just find that wheel nearby. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| And you're like, what is this? | ||
| I will look at what this says. | ||
| Coltepin holds, okay, the region that Dr. Coltepin has studied is relatively obscure with guidebooks offering little to no information about it. | ||
| While mainstream researchers argue that the tracks are merely petrified remnants of old cart ruts left by wheeled vehicles pulled by donkeys or camels, Coltepin holds a different perspective. | ||
| Rejecting these conventional explanations, he stated firmly, I will never accept it. | ||
| I will always remember many other inhabitants of our planet wiped from our history. | ||
| His research suggested a deeper, perhaps forgotten history of Earth and its past civilizations. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Because if it's, that's the Silurian hypothesis, if it was millions of years ago, how would we, if we wouldn't know? | ||
| Can you imagine millions of years ago people had the wheel? | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Might not be people. | ||
| Something, whatever they were, was pulling things on wheels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| and they had cart ruts in the ground. | ||
| So maybe they didn't have... | ||
| Coltepin theorizes that the civilization responsible for driving these heavy vehicles likely built the numerous identical roads, ruts, and underground complexes scattered across the Mediterranean region more than 12 million years ago. | ||
| He acknowledges that petrification can occur relatively quickly, but points to the heavy mineral deposits on the tracks and signs of erosion as evidence of a much older timeline. | ||
| He also connects these tracks to surrounding underground cities, irrigation systems, and wells, which he believes are millions of years old. | ||
| Yes, that's like Devin Khuyu. | ||
| So what if Devin Khuyu is millions of years old and these tracks are related to it? | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| On his website, Coltipin wrote, oh, I'm not fucking his name out. | ||
| We are dealing with extremely tough, lithified, petrified sediments covered with a thick layer of weathering that takes millions of years to develop, full of multiple cracks with newly developed minerals in them, which could only emerge in periods of high tectonic activity. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Pretty crazy, huh? | ||
| That's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| That's crazy because I knew those cart ruts existed, but I didn't look into them. | ||
| I didn't know what the timeline was. | ||
| I didn't know that there's anybody that's even speculating. | ||
| That thing looks like a fucking wheel. | ||
| Yeah, it's right in the same place. | ||
| So you've got this fossilized wheel and was printed in a sandstone of the roof. | ||
| Guys, drifters, tried to cut away the find with the pickhammers and try to take it out to the surface, but sandstone was so strong and firm, and having been afraid to damage a print, they have left it in place. | ||
| At present, the mine is closed, and access to the object is impossible. | ||
| The equipment, dismantled, and the given layers are already flooded. | ||
| Yeah, they've got to get in there. | ||
| Why would you flood that? | ||
| I think it was something to do with, like, just I don't think it's like some conspiracy like hide the wheel, hide the wheel, but I mean, maybe you would, but I think it's more just like the practice of what they would they would finish their mining thing and they found this wheel, they weren't going to excavate the wheel because they were like, Bro, if that's a real wheel, if someone can carve that out of there and realize, like, if scientists look at it, if they get a 3D scan of it and they go, Okay, we have to completely rethink everything. | ||
| If something had a wheel twelve million years ago. | ||
| 300 million. | ||
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| It's nuts. | ||
| Like, what are we talking about? | ||
| I mean, it would be like the Silurian hypothesis, it would be another, it wouldn't be human unless you mean you'd have to radically rewrite everything if that was right but what does that mean then like what are we talking about like different intelligence some other species so maybe there was something like us that lived like medieval humans yeah because millions of years ago it's the same problems like we have like if they're living on earth they're dealing with the same kind of physics they you know they have to move materials around like why would you not come up with the same kind of thing like a wheel like it's a simple invention that's | ||
| what's interesting too and we're always finding new dinosaurs like that's a common thing yeah and if these were a type of human being or something similar to human beings, they bury their dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are we going to find? | ||
| Like, what are we going to find after twelve million years? | ||
| Nothing, except for maybe a fossilized wheel. | ||
| Yeah, or these wheel tracks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, what is the conventional explanation of these wheel tracks? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But all I know about the ones in Multan, they definitely say they're man made. | ||
| I don't know about these ones in Turkey. | ||
| I haven't really looked into it. | ||
| But those are crazy. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And the fact that they go to underground structures? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Help me. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, they're near there. | ||
| I don't think they directly lead to, like, Derenkuyu or anything, but they're they're nearby. | ||
| And then so then you start to think, what if Derenkuyu is like, you know, to be fair., I think that's probably man made, but it's stone, so. | ||
| Well, I'm sure it's man made, but like what kind of man? | ||
| And it could have been man adapted, it could have already been something there, and we kind of changed it. | ||
| That would be completely fucked if we found out there was another type of human that existed that did all that 12 million years ago. | ||
| Well, it wouldn't even have to be a human, it could be any kind of life, it's just intelligence. | ||
| Right, but there's no evidence that anything other than primates have been that capable of manipulating their environment other than primates, right? | ||
| I guess it's so. | ||
| When we also know that there's certain we're finding new ones all the time, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This one that they found, I keep fucking it up. | ||
| Homo Julienne's, is that it? | ||
| Antikythera? | ||
| Close. | ||
| Antikythera. | ||
| Antikythera. | ||
| I'm going to get that right. | ||
| I fucked this one up too, the Homo Julienne's. | ||
| But this one was larger than us. | ||
| It had a larger brain capacity, and they know that they just, I mean, this was just published in December of 2024. | ||
| So they know that they're constantly finding new branches of the human tree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you got Denis Evans or Denis Evans, however you pronounce that. | ||
| they just reclassified that Dragon Man skull as Denisovan and that was a huge um So Juluensis. | ||
| Would say that? | ||
| I've never heard of this. | ||
| Yeah, because it's really new. | ||
| A new, big-headed, archaic humans. | ||
| Bigger than us, with big ass heads and big brains. | ||
| Well, then you kind of get into the thing of, like, giants and stuff, and, like, could giants have been real? | ||
| It seems like that's a giant. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And there is giant primates that have been, like, confirmed, like Gigantopithecus or whatever it's called. | ||
| And then you have hobbit humans, like Homo florensis. | ||
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| I don't know how you pronounce that. | ||
| So you have hobbit humans, you have giant primates, why can't you have giant humans? | ||
| I think they did. | ||
| I think that's why giants are always in the Bible. | ||
| And I think this thing, how old is this fossil that they found of Juluensis? | ||
| So this one existed alongside, I believe, alongside at least some versions of man. | ||
| Does it say how old it is? | ||
| 300. | ||
| 300,000 or million? | ||
| Yes, million. | ||
| So that would just. | ||
| overlap with us then. | ||
| 300,000 years old? | ||
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| Right. | ||
| So, but here's the thing. | ||
| They don't have a lot of this stuff. | ||
| They don't have a lot of evidence of this creature. | ||
| So, right. | ||
| So they have, I believe it's one site. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Is there one site where they found this? | ||
| Partly on a very large scale found in China. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, how many have they not found? | ||
| That's the real, real problem with us and this whole fossil record thing is that we're dealing with a very limited amount of information. | ||
| It's very difficult to become information. | ||
| It's very difficult to become evidence. | ||
| Especially when you get up to these, it's so hard to find stuff. | ||
| You should see what this thing looks like when they make a 3D image of a depiction. | ||
| First of all, they make it look super primitive. | ||
| They cover it with hair and give it jack muscles. | ||
| It looks like this freak. | ||
| But whatever it is, it's way bigger than us. | ||
| And it's a human and it lived alongside us. | ||
| So David and Goliath, it's right there. | ||
| And there's also the, I think it's called Meganthropus, which is Yeah, that's what it looked like, supposedly. | ||
| I mean, while he probably had a calculator. | ||
| They make everything like a canon. | ||
| Everyone's stupid and walking around in. | ||
| Yeah, everyone's stupid. | ||
| Everyone has a stick in their hand. | ||
| When I was looking up that wheel, I came across the London Hammer. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, I've heard of that too, but I heard that that was that was dissolved. | ||
| I did not see, I mean, it doesn't make sense. | ||
| I'll just go with that. | ||
| It's, it was found in 1936, I think, but the limestone around it is supposedly 100 million years old. | ||
| Ah, shit, I never heard of this. | ||
| Yeah, someone had an explanation for that. | ||
| I found it in Texas. | ||
| London, Texas, not England just so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Someone had an explanation for that. | ||
| I don't remember what it was. | ||
| I'm fucking over at Mysteries. | ||
| A lot of people discussing it. | ||
| Why don't you look up London Hamber debunked? | ||
| I mean, wouldn't someone want to debunk it? | ||
| I know they would, but I want to know if they're right, you know? | ||
| I'm sure someone would want to. | ||
| There's lots of people saying it's real and fake, and there's just not a lot of explanation on how it was found in old limestone. | ||
| Okay, radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle and the geological analysis have largely debunked the idea of extreme antiquity. | ||
| More details. | ||
| The artifact, the London hammer is a metal hammerhead with a wooden handle found partially encased in a concretion, hard, compact mass of mineral matter. | ||
| The claim some have interpreted the hammer's presence in the rock as evidence of advanced ancient civilizations or a young earth pointing to the seemingly anomalous placement of a modern looking tool in ancient rock. | ||
| Evidence against antiquity radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle has placed its origin within the historical period, not millions of years. | ||
| Geological processes, the concretion itself is not necessarily ancient. | ||
| This is what I'd read. | ||
| Minerals in solution can harden around objects dropped or left in cracks or on the surface of soluble rock, according to Gaia. | ||
| Out of place artifacts. | ||
| While the concept of out of place artifacts can be intriguing, the London hammer doesn't meet the criteria of being considered an out of place artifact as his geological context and dating suggest a more recent origin. | ||
| You know, one of the things that I always go to with Egypt is those really bizarre looking things that almost look like a part of a machine, like a that wheel thing. | ||
| A machine shift disc, I think it is. | ||
| Yeah, something, I don't remember what it's called, some kind of a disc. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it looks like a part of something, like almost a fan. | ||
| You're looking at it like, okay, what is that thing doing? | ||
| Is that a turbine? | ||
| Is that in water? | ||
| Does something spin? | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fact that that's real, that, that drives me nuts. | ||
| It literally looks exactly like something. | ||
| I mean, that's a replica, right? | ||
| It's a part of a machine. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, they found the pieces of it. | ||
| I've seen someone put it, they've cranked it up in water and it can, like, displace water in a very unique way. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't know if that's the use of it, but that's a... | ||
| So when people are looking at it, I think a lot of times they're looking at recreations. | ||
| Whatever it was, no one can figure it out, right? | ||
| And it's carved out of stone. | ||
| So how? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What does that thing do? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That thing looks like a part of a machine. | ||
| It looks like a part. | ||
| Like if, you know, like you have some ancient machine and you've got to do a bunch of things like it's a beer mixer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I mean, if you go with Brian Mararescu, then I need to mix that stuff up somehow. | ||
| That's true actually, right? | ||
| But it's probably beer, but. | ||
| It's probably just one of many different tools that were missing from back then, if that is just their stuff for making what they call beer. | ||
| Brian Mararescu is the guy who wrote The Immortality Key. | ||
| I don't know if you ever read any of his stuff, but a lot of it is about ancient Greece and the Ileucinian mysteries. | ||
| Psychedelics again. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Psychedelics again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But a lot of it is, you know, what we think of as beer and wine, all their stuff was laced. | ||
| It was all laced with ergot and a bunch of other stuff and different psychedelics that we haven't really identified yet. | ||
| Yeah, and they combined that with their kind of spirituality and everything. | ||
| And that's why they built the society that they built. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is the craziest thing about, you know, our weirdo. | ||
| technological advanced society is disconnected from that because it's illegal disconnected from the stars as well disconnected from light pollution yeah and we're just all kind of rushing around in this really hectic life of just like you know gotta do this gotta do this and just not sitting back and kind of appreciating what was that? | ||
| This is from an unknown author and read it. | ||
| That's when they put it on a drill. | ||
| Oh, so they made one of it and put it on a drill? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's great if you have a drill. | ||
| I mean, this shot. | ||
| So we're assuming that the Egyptians had a drill. | ||
| I'm assuming they had a drill. | ||
| Yeah, they definitely. | ||
| I mean, they have all those drill holes, don't they? | ||
| And they find all these cool holes. | ||
| And people are like, Oh, that's normal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can explain that. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That spiral thing. | ||
| I can't remember what it's called, but what's it called? | ||
| The Chris Dunn did like a He put like a thread around it to show it was a spiral. | ||
| Oh, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| The grooves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he also estimated the revolutions per minute that would take to do something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you're talking about something that is going into extremely hard rock and looks like it has some extremely hard tip that can cut that rock. | ||
| Like what is it made of? | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| And these are serious people. | ||
| These are engineers that are saying this kind of thing. | ||
| And the problem is that archeologists and Egyptologists are all a certain type of person that don't have the expertise in recognizing machined artefacts. | ||
| Also, they're dorks and they don't connect with people because they're so arrogant in the way they talk about these things that it freaks people out and it makes them not want to listen. | ||
| This is, I think, the thing that frustrates them the most about alternative historians like Graham Hancock. | ||
| He's really interesting. | ||
| He's compelling. | ||
| He's a great communicator as well. | ||
| He's a great communicator and a wonderful guy and people love him and they go, I'll fuck that guy. | ||
| He's all right. | ||
| He's this, he's that. | ||
| And he's more popular than them as well. | ||
| Yes, that's what drives them nuts, but what it should be exciting to them because it's it's stimulating people's desire to know where we come from. | ||
| And that's supposed to be your business. | ||
| That's supposed to be what you're into. | ||
| And all he's doing is asking questions and like putting forward a thing. | ||
| I don't think Graham would ever claim to be, you know, certain or to. | ||
| Or to he's just saying this could be possible, you know? | ||
| Yeah, he's got some ideas that I think are a big stretch. | ||
| And then he's got some ideas that I think are dead on the head. | ||
| But he will tell you that himself. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He will tell you that himself. | ||
| He's just trying to figure this out. | ||
| And that's the position he always has come from. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they kind of see it and they're saying, How dare you claim that you have proof? | ||
| And I don't think he's ever said that he's got proof. | ||
| I'm a nice and sensitive person that like this stuff really fucking hurts his feelings. | ||
| I can imagine, mate. | ||
| It must be hard. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Not necessary. | ||
| Everybody should be working together. | ||
| They really should. | ||
| And the academics, everyone knows that you had a limited amount of information before and there's more information now. | ||
| Like your students are not going to hate you if you say, listen, I wrote a whole book on this. | ||
| This is so crazy, but I was so wrong. | ||
| They would respect you more. | ||
| They would probably respect you more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The thing about it is like that book is still out there and academics like to point at each other and make fools of each other. | ||
| They really love to do that. | ||
| They really love to. | ||
| I see them do it to each other on Twitter all the time. | ||
| They'll dismiss someone's credentials and say his work is shit. | ||
| And they're like, God, you're such bitches. | ||
| That's Bruce. | ||
| That Bruce is a brute to each other, let alone someone who's a brute to each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like high school girls like talking shit about each other in chat messages you know or high school boys they do the same thing but it's or grown men do it obviously and these guys are just like that there's but it's also i think some of these guys are socially stunted because they've they spent so much time with their head in academia and their head in books that they don't realize the rest of the world sees that behavior in a very transparent way. | ||
| If you're acting like a bitch online and all you do is say mean things about people, that's not, you're not hiding what you are. | ||
| every reasonable person sees that and instantaneously knows what's going on. | ||
| This is irrational behavior. | ||
| You're calling people racist because they're questioning the timeline of human civilization based on evidence, based on really bizarre things that no one can explain, based on water erosion on rocks. | ||
| Now you're racist. | ||
| Like what are you talking about? | ||
| It's just a way of like, you know, shutting down the ideas. | ||
| It's exactly what it is. | ||
| It's exactly what it is. | ||
| But it's it's it's done by people that are socially stunted and they don't understand that most normal rational people who see them behave this way are never going to listen to them again. | ||
| By doing this bitchy thing, you have discounted your own participation in any true, like, intellectual discourse. | ||
| Because everybody knows you're a bad faith actor now. | ||
| You're a bad person. | ||
| You're you're you're saying things because you're trying to shut down a conversation instead of saying, Huh, tell me what you did. | ||
| How did you get to this? | ||
| So what is he saying? | ||
| Water erosion. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Show me. | ||
| Show me the water erosion. | ||
| Well, fucking hell, that does look like water erosion. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Maybe we should like reevaluate it. | ||
| Maybe we should bring you in to teach. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, what are we doing? | ||
| We're we're gatekeeping. | ||
| We're gatekeeping information because it's protecting fragile egos of socially stunted people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they've always, you know, that they Not to say they haven't done great things. | ||
| They have done great things. | ||
| They do deserve the credit for that. | ||
| But we should give them amnesty for fucking up. | ||
| But no one Yeah, I mean, we wouldn't be able to talk about these things without, you know, mainstream for one thing. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Imagine with Harry in the math department when you've been shitting on his string theory and now it finds out, oh, look, look who's wrong about the timeline. | ||
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| Oh, it's Mike the fucking genius. | ||
| They're a bunch of animals. | ||
| They're just like Any other group of men, you know? | ||
| It's just a human thing, isn't it? | ||
| We're all just human. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's just, you know. | ||
| Chess players cheat. | ||
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| Exactly. | ||
| Like even genius ones. | ||
| And often like these people, this is like, you know, the thing that they've worked on and the kind of biggest success they've had in their lives. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't want that taken away. | ||
| They don't want it taken away and they don't want to deal with those other academics who are going to stick it in their face. | ||
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| Forty years, Bob. | ||
| Forty years you've been teaching lies. | ||
| How's that feel? | ||
| How about all those college kids that left with a real fucked up view of human history because of you, Bob? | ||
| Come on, Bob. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, poor Bob. | ||
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| Bob is going to just like write a note and blow his brains out yeah but i mean i don't know i just i hope that things are going to shift over time and over the next few decades we're going to see a bit one funeral at a time i guess so that is the max plank quote isn't it but i hope it doesn't have to take that long and i wish people would shift their positions man because well again i think new people coming in it's like a lot of things you know new people come in they have new ideas and the old dinosaurs yeah but i think it's I don't know, | ||
| our adherence to these ideas has kind of distorted our understanding of history and has kind of prevented us for looking for things because, you know, we assume that these things are shit, sorry. | ||
| No, they're not. | ||
| I almost unplugged the microphone. | ||
| That wheel is still freaking me out. | ||
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| It's crazy, huh? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But we just don't look for these things. | ||
| Have you seen any of Jesse Michael's stuff? | ||
| He's the kind of UAP kind of guy, isn't he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't really. | ||
| I do kind of delve into that, but I don't, I mean, I don't like talking about or anything, but his latest one is Is this to do the mummy? | ||
| The Tridactyl mummies in Peru. | ||
| Yeah, that's the one. | ||
| Where they've done scans of them and they have a fully intact bone structure. | ||
| Looks like a real creature. | ||
| Fully intact. | ||
| Three of our three toes, different shaped head than us. | ||
| Whatever it is, like, and also 1700 years old, like, what is that? | ||
| So what's the, like, debunking of that? | ||
| Well, there's some of them that people have made that seem to be a complete fabrication. | ||
| It seems to be some of them they've pieced together bones and created like a fake artifact and tried to sell it off. | ||
| But then there's these other ones that were found that don't look like that at all. | ||
| They look like they're huddled up. | ||
| One of them has a fetus inside of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And whatever these things are, show them the video when you see the scans of it. | ||
| American Alchemy, Jesse Michaels, awesome show. | ||
| Yeah, he's cool, man. | ||
| I watched his show on here. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| MICHELS. | ||
| And isn't there also, I might have made this up, but isn't there also like depictions of this in kind of ancient? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, is that true? | ||
| Yeah, ancient artwork, three-fingered, three-toed people with big heads. | ||
| Oh, that's weird then. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| When you see this thing, this thing looks exactly like these. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| This is an actual scan of this mummy. | ||
| Look at the size of the head. | ||
| Look at the shape of the head. | ||
| Look at all the bones. | ||
| Look at all the ribs, everything. | ||
| That's fucking bananas. | ||
| Now, Jamie, show him what it looks like before they scan it. | ||
| So they found them encased in, I think it's dichotomous earth. | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| But how old do they think these things are? | ||
| Some of them are 700 years old and some of them are as old as 1700 years. | ||
| So not that old though. | ||
| But look at that thing. | ||
| So this thing, this thing. | ||
| That is ridiculous. | ||
| That seems to be an actual mummy of a real creature. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And here's the thing, like, is Jesse there? | ||
| No, yeah, Jesse's right there. | ||
| Yeah, Jesse's, yeah. | ||
| Jesse is doing real journalism on this. | ||
| This is what it sounds crazy to everybody including me as it comes out of my mouth. | ||
| But then when you look at that scan, not crazy anymore. | ||
| That's one of a smaller one, but the bigger one with the big head, that one right there, that one's crazy. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| If that was a person you would run for the hills. | ||
| With a head that shape with three fingers and three toes, and the fact that they have artwork depicting these things that goes back. | ||
| Yeah, because if it's a fake then how are they depicting it? | ||
| Right, what is this? | ||
| Like did they have, look at the scans of the foot. | ||
| Go back to that. | ||
| It's almost like it defies the possibility of it being fraudulent. | ||
| It defies it. | ||
| It's like, make that. | ||
| Do show me how you can make that, where you can scan it and you see the tissue and the ligaments and the tendons and the cartilage and the joints, and they're not human-shaped. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty crazy. | ||
| If these were real creatures that existed at one point in time alongside us, and they're just now finding them. | ||
| Now then you get to, you get into ultimate weird weirdness, because like, okay, what's the Nazca lines for? | ||
| Because that's the same part of the world. | ||
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| And then there's another weird, like, artwork of, like, things that look alien in, you know, South America. | ||
| Well, there's one of the Nazca lines. | ||
| Looks like a fucking spacesuit. | ||
| Looks like a guy in a spacesuit. | ||
| And also, like, why would you make artwork that you can only see from the sky? | ||
| Yeah, that's always puzzled me about that. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| The same part of the world where you're finding these things. | ||
| And they're all, they're, they're, like, perfectly done as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're perfect, like, you know, lines and shapes and weird. | ||
| And they keep finding new ones. | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I mean, South America is just, you know, it's, I think South America and Egypt slash Turkey are the two kind of areas that are the most kind of, you know, mysterious. | ||
| And like there's so much going on there that I think we haven't quite acknowledged how much mystery there is still left. | ||
| And yeah, fascinating. | ||
| especially when you throw this in I mean I haven't really I haven't looked into this at all I'm gonna have to start watching Jasmine. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What if they find out that's not a human at all? | ||
| Well, I mean, it doesn't look like a... | ||
| but it doesn't seem like it. | ||
| It seems like something different. | ||
| Also, what are you doing with three fingers? | ||
| You're operating electronics only. | ||
| Like, you ain't picking shit up. | ||
| You can't do anything. | ||
| You don't have opposable thumbs. | ||
| The idea that you have something that looks like us that doesn't have opposable thumbs, like Yeah, that's like a big evolutionary kind of a contagion. | ||
| What is this thing doing? | ||
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| What are you doing? | ||
| Unless all you do is like put your hand on a machine and you control everything with telepathy and you control it just by touching it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you don't need, you know? | ||
| We maybe it gets to a point where we stop using our thumbs and they just fucking drift away. | ||
| We only need a couple of digits. | ||
| So what are like, what is like Jesse's theories on what? | ||
| Oh, their fingers have an extra digit too. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| So you know how, like, your finger bends in a certain way? | ||
| They have what is an extra phalange, what would you call it? | ||
| An extra little, you know, you have like one, two, three bones. | ||
| They have a fourth. | ||
| Fourth bone, so you could type quicker with the three fingers. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| But it's like, that's not us. | ||
| That's something weird. | ||
| The skull shape is weird, but it looks like a real thing. | ||
| Yeah, if that's real, that kind of, you know, changes everything. | ||
| Changes everything. | ||
| And you don't hear in the New York Times, you're not seeing in the New York Post, it's not in the Wall Street Journal, but they might have actually found a life form in mummified form that's not us, that looks a lot like these fucking aliens that people have been talking about since the beginning of time. | ||
| And why is no one talking about it except for Jesse? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at the x-rays of him. | ||
| Look at see how he has that extra little thing at the end. | ||
| That's an incredible fake if that's the fake. | ||
| That's not our fingers, man. | ||
| That's a little extra joint. | ||
| And it's not... | ||
| The fingers aren't even... | ||
| Those are weird. | ||
| That's not us. | ||
| That's something different. | ||
| That's bizarre. | ||
| Very bizarre. | ||
| Again, anybody who tells you that we know it all, they're full of shit. | ||
| If that's real, you don't know anything. | ||
| If that's real, if that becomes mainstream, if this is from Jesse, and I hope it does, and they do genetic testing on this thing and then someone figures out what it is and it's got different chromosomes than us and different DNA than us, like, now what? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Now what? | ||
| What are the chances we have got everything? | ||
| Because these people seem to think that we've got it all worked out now. | ||
| The chances are zero. | ||
| It's never been the case. | ||
| And we've always thought we've had it all worked out. | ||
| Throughout history, it's always like, oh, now we know the answers. | ||
| And it's always, there's always a major paradigm shift around the corner. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So what's around the corner now? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Something like this or the ancient civilization thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's so fun though. | ||
| It's really exciting. | ||
| It's a really exciting time to find things out because if this had emerged 50 years ago, 75 years ago, there's no Jesse Michaels. | ||
| There's no YouTube. | ||
| There's no podcast like this to talk about Jesse Michaels and send a bunch of people over to go watch it. | ||
| More people know, the better. | ||
| Let's like look at this. | ||
| This might be.. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| And that's why it probably is coming out in this kind of day and age, because the incident has not been around for very long. | ||
| But why isn't MSNBC covering this? | ||
| Why isn't CNN covering this? | ||
| They should all be covering this. | ||
| They should all be going, look at these scans that this YouTuber, Jesse Michaels, did. | ||
| If this is true, this seems like something that's not a human being. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's just too Aliens are real. | ||
| This is from 2017. | ||
| Someone had found just a hand. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| It's obviously the same. | ||
| Bizarre, three fingered hand in 2017. | ||
| Mummified hand found in a tunnel in Peru. | ||
| It said these fingers had six bones. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Regular human bone has three. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Mummified hand is made up of bone and skin, suggesting that it's not fake, unless it was somehow made using real bones, flesh, and skin. | ||
| But how would you fake it? | ||
| How would you do that a long time ago and mummify it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all so strange. | ||
| And that part of the world, they've had stories about these kind of creatures forever. | ||
| That's why they have all this artwork about them. | ||
| Not only that, that is an exact replica. | ||
| Like when... | ||
| These police officers went to go and see this crash. | ||
| There was some sort of electrical storm. | ||
| And then they found this creature that seemed to have been injured from the craft. | ||
| The guy picks it up, takes it in his car. | ||
| They bring it to a hospital. | ||
| The hospital refuses to treat it. | ||
| They bring it to another hospital. | ||
| That hospital, they don't know. | ||
| what happened with the records or what happened, but they do know that the guy who carried it physically died of a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure. | ||
| They said it smelled like sulfur and it had three fingers and three toes. | ||
| It looked like that thing. | ||
| It had a long head. | ||
| and this whatever this creature was that is you know mummified it looks exactly like what these people were talking about from this ufo crash in virginia brazil like it's a it's the entire folklore of the town they have a ufo when you enter into the town of virginia they have like this giant statue of There's still people alive to this day that live in that town that will tell you the story. | ||
| And you can go across town, you can go here. | ||
| They all have the same story. | ||
| There's multiple UFOs in the sky. | ||
| One of them crashed. | ||
| They found two creatures. | ||
| One of them was alive. | ||
| They think one of them was dead. | ||
| Whatever this crash site was, they bring in the movie moment, movie, excuse me, movie moment of contact, they bring this police officer to the site and he starts weeping. | ||
| Like if that guy's, if he's a liar, he's the greatest actor of all time. | ||
| The guy starts freaking out when he starts telling the story of what he found in the 1990s. | ||
| brings him back to that moment. | ||
| The women who saw the being, they're like in their forties now. | ||
| They were little girls when they saw it. | ||
| And they all have the same story. | ||
| And it matches. | ||
| Three-fingered, three-toed, looked like that. | ||
| Looked exactly like that. | ||
| Man, if I wasn't doing the ancient history thing, I'd love to talk about this stuff as well. | ||
| It might be the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you never know. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| I'd love to make some connection. | ||
| But the thing is, I just don't want to give anyone more ammunition to come after me and shit. | ||
| They're probably coming after you, buddy. | ||
| They're probably coming after Melissa today. | ||
| Yeah, they're going to after all the nonsense that we've talked. | ||
| But it's fun to talk nonsonsense and this is definitely fun nonsense, but that body's not nonsense. | ||
| The Varginia thing I don't think is nonsense either. | ||
| It's weird that it's a really weird one. | ||
| That's kind of story, however long ago, matched to the mummified bodies. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Not just that, but biblical stories about creatures that are demons that smell like sulfur. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If you're terrified of something and you think you've decided that it's a demon because it's actually an advanced life form from somewhere else and it smells like sulfur, like whatever they have that got on this guy's skin that gave him this horrible bacterial infection, it's all documented. | ||
| The guy died. | ||
| He was a young, healthy soldier and he's dead within like a couple of weeks. | ||
| Yeah, that's not going to be. | ||
| They're giving him antibiotics. | ||
| This is the 90s. | ||
| This is not like the 80s. | ||
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| You know, they're treating him with modern medicine and he's fucked and he dies. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is the guy that was carrying the alien. | ||
| Are you fucking kidding me? | ||
| Man, I need to look into this. | ||
| And it smells like sulfur? | ||
| And it looks exactly like a thing that's a real thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they have a real mummy of these things? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See if you can just get an image, an artist's depiction. | ||
| So they had these kids describe what they saw. | ||
| And they drew this three fingered, three toed little, it was like almost like a purple looking thing. | ||
| Do you think that's linked in any way to all this kind of mysterious? | ||
| stone construction we find in South America that no one can really explain. | ||
| And here we go. | ||
| What is the image? | ||
| The thing that was curled up in the ground. | ||
| There's like an image. | ||
| Yeah, that one. | ||
| That one with the red eyes. | ||
| No, yeah, that one. | ||
| That's what it looked like. | ||
| Somebody actually made a sculpture of that. | ||
| What exactly it looked like and gave it to us. | ||
| We have it at the mothership. | ||
| But the thing is, if it was an alien, why would it look so human, if that makes sense? | ||
| Unless it came from this planet, I suppose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But does it look human? | ||
| Well, maybe that's just like a constant thing when you evolve from primates. | ||
| I mean, there's a thing about the alien gray too that's always been like this archetype of what we eventually will become. | ||
| Look at the big, like, skinny limbs. | ||
| Yeah, so this is how those guys described it. | ||
| This is how they described what it looked like. | ||
| Man, that looks an awful lot like that creature. | ||
| The big eyes, the whole deal, the weird, spindly body. | ||
| That drawing right there where it's hunched over, the one to the right of your cursor. | ||
| Yeah, that's the one's my favorite. | ||
| Because it's like, what is it? | ||
| 1996. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what the hell that is, but what if it's real? | ||
| And what if those things in Peru are exactly that thing? | ||
| And what if, you know, this thing has visited human beings multiple times in history? | ||
| So would you say it's from another planet? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It might be from here. | ||
| That's why I think, if it's got the kind of similar, like, primate form. | ||
| It might look, if these things are, they're finding these mummified remains in Peru. | ||
| Clearly, it was here. | ||
| Why would we assume it's not from here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like maybe we just have a really inaccurate timeline of life on this planet. | ||
| And maybe some things went undersea, which sounds nuts. | ||
| But then there's all these fucking videos of things coming out of the water. | ||
| That's where I would hide if I was trying to hide. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you've mastered gravity to the point where you create like a bubble around everything you are and you travel through it without any resistance whatsoever. | ||
| And they've clocked things going underwater that are going like 500 knots underwater. | ||
| I have no idea how it does that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's all kind of, it's like this, I mean, you probably know more about this than me, but my only exposure to the kind of UAP thing was, was traditionally through, I'm a big fan of Blink 182 and there's Tom DeLong. | ||
| Oh, I've had Tom DeLong. | ||
| Yeah, you've had it more. | ||
| You've had him, you've had Travis on as well. | ||
| You need to get Mark on. | ||
| He's the third. | ||
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| He's to complete the set. | ||
| I love Travis. | ||
| I've always I'm in a band. | ||
| I always I don't love Tom either. | ||
| I just thought he was crazy. | ||
| I thought he was crazy when I had him on before. | ||
| And now I'm like, damn, I think he might be on to something. | ||
| Well, he's so cool. | ||
| He's always been like an inspiration for me. | ||
| Like, I make music and he's been, you know, a big, you know, inspiration for me. | ||
| But he always got me into, he kind of got me into the UAP thing from a while ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's all in. | ||
| But I do have to say that if I wanted, if I was the government and I wanted to spread a bunch of crazy stories about UFOs, I'd tell them to people like Tom. | ||
| I guess so, yeah. | ||
| And I tell them to people like me. | ||
| I mean, I think people do that on this podcast. | ||
| I think some of the information that gets shared on this podcast is probably bullshit. | ||
| To kind of like, you know, to harm the wars, yeah. | ||
| And to prime people for disclosure. | ||
| I think the if I was in charge and if I had done the Halputoff thing, you know what the Halputoff was assigned to do. | ||
| So they gave him a numerical value for all these different things that would be positively influenced by disclosure and negatively influenced. | ||
| And you assign a value, one through ten, to like what's going to happen to religion, what's going to happen to politics, banking, all that stuff. | ||
| And this was during the Bush administration. | ||
| So Bush essentially said to Hal Putoff, the Bush administration said, we have been working on a crash retrieval program. | ||
| We have vehicles that are not from this world. | ||
| We are not alone. | ||
| If we release this information to the general public and disclose it, what will be the negative impact? | ||
| What will be the positive impact? | ||
| Is it overall? | ||
| positive or is it overall negative? | ||
| And everyone, there was a bunch of different independent people that they assigned this task to. | ||
| Everyone came up with much more on the negative than on the positive. | ||
| So they decided not to disclose it. | ||
| This is how put off story. | ||
| I can't I can't tell you if it's true or not. | ||
| Yeah, but why do you think it was negative? | ||
| Just because it's like the impact. | ||
| Yeah, the shock. | ||
| The complete lack of any real faith in authority figures. | ||
| Like why would you listen to the president of the United States when there's fucking UFOs reading your mind and traveling instantaneously here from wherever they're from? | ||
| Like all of our systems of power and control, they all go away. | ||
| Because we don't you're not in control anymore. | ||
| Clearly, the aliens are in control. | ||
| People would worship the aliens. | ||
| But do you think they're kind of like drip feeding us and then at some point that would come out? | ||
| But then isn't that going to happen anyway? | ||
| I don't think it's totally organized because I think most things in the government are not totally organized. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I think there's a lot of chaos going on at all levels of the government. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| And to think that in this top secret UFO crash retrieval world, there's not a lot of chaos. | ||
| Just use chaos in everything. | ||
| There's chaos in the FBI. | ||
| They're having problems. | ||
| The CIA has its own problems. | ||
| Every organization has great people and a bunch of clowns and a bunch of nutty people that don't want to lose their positions of power and these little struggles, inter office bullshit in every organization with human beings. | ||
| So for sure, that's the same thing with UFO disclosure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I think there's also the problem with if there really is a crash retrieval program and it's been going on for a long time and it's been going on without congressional oversight. | ||
| That means you've been lying and you've been misappropriating money. | ||
| You guys are jailed. | ||
| So what's the best way to, like, you gotta slowly trickle out the information and you gotta mix it up with a whole lot of bullshit, a whole lot of nonsense and then fly some drones over people and see how they respond. | ||
| There was something recently about that, wasn't it? | ||
| Yeah, the New Jersey thing. | ||
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| There's giant drones over New Jersey and then they try to find them with fighter jets. | ||
| The lights would shut out and they would take off. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| How did they Who fucking know? | ||
| They just brush over that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They say, Oh, it's ours. | ||
| Like they didn't even tell us exactly what was going on, but it was almost like a national emergency. | ||
| It was a national story. | ||
| It was I remember Trump saying that he was not going to go play golf in New Jersey because they were flying in New Jersey. | ||
| Was this pre election? | ||
| Was this before he became president? | ||
| I think Was it Biden? | ||
| I think it was during. | ||
| Was it during? | ||
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| During, yes, I think it was December, January ish. | ||
| I think it was December. | ||
| Late 2024. | ||
| I don't think he was the president yet. | ||
| No, he became president in January. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But was it post-election? | ||
| It was post-election, right? | ||
| All I can't remember is Mike Benz saying that this has happened a couple of years in a row and they were waiting for it to happen this year. | ||
| It did. | ||
| And then he also predicted it would just disappear a few weeks later and it did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like what was that? | ||
| Maybe it's just a grand show that they put on for us to distract us from some other stuff. | ||
| Maybe there's some banking fucking decisions that were going on at that time that we would probably have paid attention to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but look at the drones. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's a real thing. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I would do that if I had some drones. | ||
| I was trying to pull off some shenanigans. | ||
| Couldn't it just be, you know, like advanced weapons or technology that, you know, we have or, you know, your government has that could... | ||
| It doesn't have to be alien just for it to be like more advanced than like the kind of public knows about, if that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, most certainly. | ||
| I would imagine that a lot of what we're dealing with is advanced American military craft. | ||
| And probably done through some top secret research that was real shady. | ||
| Probably a lot of people spent a whole. | ||
| lot of money doing this stuff. | ||
| And there's probably some like this is people that have gone to S4 and talked about it. | ||
| You can't, it's all anecdotal, so you never really know if they're telling the truth. | ||
| But there have been people that have no reason to lie that say that they have technology that is forty, fifty years past anything that you can imagine right now. | ||
| And they already have it. | ||
| And they've been spending shit piles of money, making the wildest things that your mind can ever conceive of. | ||
| And they already have it. | ||
| And it probably looks super alien when they take it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, why would they tell us what the most advanced thing they have is they wouldn't they wouldn't that's not going to be public information is it? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So even current history is confusing. | ||
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| So the idea of you knowing exactly what happened five thousand years ago, shut up bitch. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| You definitely don't know if you find a 12 million year old wheel like 300 million year old. | ||
| It's all too nuts. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We don't know what's going on now. | ||
| So how could we know what's going on? | ||
| So the wheel was 300 million years, but the car tracks. | ||
| The car tracks are what? | ||
| 12 million years? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's what this guy says anyway. | ||
| Listen, it's all fun. | ||
| It's all fun and it's very interesting. | ||
| And I'm really glad you're out there out there because I have binge watched your show. | ||
| You do a great job. | ||
| It's really informative and interesting and speculative and fascinating because I just love the subject and I think you just do a great job. | ||
| So I hope you get a lot of views and you keep doing it. | ||
| And I'm glad that you're doing it and I'm really glad that you came here. | ||
| Well, thank you, Joe. | ||
| I mean, it's been a great honor to be here, to be out. | ||
| And Austin, I've loved it. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| What an experience. | ||
| And yeah, it's been really fun talking to you and I'm super appreciative of the opportunity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So thanks so much. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| So tell everybody how to find you. | ||
| Social media stuff. | ||
| Just put my name in. | ||
| I'm Michael Button and I'm on YouTube, I guess and they'll probably find me if I'm doing my job correctly that's me on the screen Michael Button won Michael Button won yeah there's someone else out there who's got my name yeah so don't go to Michael Button I'm not gonna go to Michael Button won that seems so silly yeah Fuck the other Michael Button come to me. | ||
| Maybe he's a nice guy. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| He's got your name. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| Well, thank you brother. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you guys for being here. |
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