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Joe Rogan Experience #2351 - James McCann
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan experience.
Strain by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan
John, McCabe.
james mccann
Hey, thank you for having me here.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
james mccann
It's a joy.
joe rogan
It's a joy to have you, sir.
I've been having a good time hanging out with you at the club, so.
james mccann
It's been great.
joe rogan
I felt like we got to do that.
james mccann
This is very...
I have watched this on a phone before.
This is great.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird for me that it's weird for people because to me, it's still the same thing.
It's just sitting down and talking to people.
I've gotten so used to it, even when it's like Trump or Elon or some fucking huge cultural figure.
james mccann
It's still at least one time.
joe rogan
I spun out a bunch of times in the early days.
I still spin out every now and then, like, you know, like Mel Gibson's on the podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's really Mel Gibson.
Mike Tyson, that's another one.
james mccann
Yeah, he was, was this where he said he became erect when he wanted to beat people up?
joe rogan
That was in California.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
That was a classic, it's a classic, all-time great moment.
joe rogan
He was scaring the shit out of me.
james mccann
Man, I spent out.
When I first got to the club, I was going, it was every week I would.
joe rogan
It's weird, right?
james mccann
But when I first met Adam Egert, I went, I didn't know what to do.
unidentified
Oh, Mr. Egert.
james mccann
I've seen you.
You deny the Holocaust.
joe rogan
Not really, we should be real clear.
james mccann
No, he was just under a bridge.
joe rogan
He was a Norm McDonald bit.
james mccann
He features in that book a lot.
joe rogan
Well, Adam's an amazing guy.
He's the reason, he's one of the reasons why I went back to the store.
When I was banned from the store for seven years, Adam came to business.
Yeah.
Well, I banned myself for seven years.
They banned me.
They were going to ban me for like a few weeks.
I'm like, fuck you.
Like, nay.
james mccann
What did you do?
joe rogan
There's the whole Carlos Mancia thing.
james mccann
They banned you for that?
joe rogan
Yes.
james mccann
You won the court of public opinion on that.
joe rogan
Well, not only did I not really get banned, the guy who banned me was eventually fired.
He was the manager there.
But Mitzi gave me a spot that night.
It's like before they called me to tell me I was banned.
Mitzi was going through a lot of health problems, right?
And, you know, Mitzi was, I was very close with her.
So I called her when the whole Mencia thing happened and I said, listen, this guy's been a problem.
It's a real issue.
People are worried about doing materially in front of him.
This is a giant problem.
And, you know, I told her the whole thing with the video.
She's like, all right, well, just keep away from him.
What time do you want to go up tonight?
And I said, when do you want me to go up?
And she said, how about 1030 or whatever it was?
And I said, thank you.
Okay, I love you.
Bye.
We said, bye.
And then like fucking an hour, two hours later, I get a call from this manager telling me that I'm banned from the store for two weeks.
And I was like, what?
I go, for two weeks.
I go, listen to me right now.
I'm not coming back.
I go, I'm not coming back.
And you're making a decision that's going to fuck this club up because you're choosing to take the side of plagiarism over someone who's exposing it.
Like the agents won't expose it.
They're making a shit ton of money.
And if the comedy store is not going to side with the artists, I'm like, listen, this is the same conversation I had with my agent.
I lost my agent too for that.
james mccann
I feel like those are both important moments in it.
Everybody seems to have a problem with their agent violence.
But also the number of people who've been banned from comedy clubs.
Brian Simpson has told me about how he got banned for ages when he was homeless.
He was all doing banned from comedy clubs too.
joe rogan
He had some sort of an issue with someone there.
And this was like when Brian wasn't Brian Simpson from Netflix.
It was like Brian Simpson, up-and-coming door guy that people go, oh, that guy's funny.
But if you run afoul with certain people.
james mccann
This is what I'm trying to avoid.
I did this in Australia a lot.
joe rogan
You ran afoul?
james mccann
I was a problem.
And I couldn't work in certain cities for some time just because I was, I think, unpleasant.
joe rogan
What were you doing wrong?
james mccann
You know, I started comedy.
I would go around telling people that they sucked and they should quit.
And I went to like the head of the Melbourne Comedy Festival.
I was in the comedy competition.
It was like my fourth gig.
And I was like, you're picking all the wrong people to win these.
these guys are better.
And it just...
Anyway, we grow older.
I was also 18.
And I was.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, I get it.
james mccann
Very.
A lot of telling people that they sucked.
joe rogan
Well, when you enter into comedy, you know, a lot of times people treat it weirdly like sports.
You know, like they talk shit playing basketball, so they try to talk shit doing comedy.
unidentified
It's like it's weird.
james mccann
I've gotten better at it.
I think I've purged it, but sometimes.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on the environment you're in.
If you're in an environment where a lot of people are doing that, it's not fun.
james mccann
But this is, I find it easy here because people are, I don't want to say that everyone in Australia is bad at comedy.
There are many great comics, but I could not, for the life of me.
Like, there were times where it's like, oh, this could be helpful for your career to get in with someone and have them guide you.
And it's like, I just hated everybody's comedy that I met and hung out with.
And people who were great would often leave or not be around.
joe rogan
Australia's kind of a different.
james mccann
You've got great people out there.
joe rogan
Lo, listen, you got Jim Jeffries.
I think you're the funniest guy that's ever come out of Australia.
unidentified
Well, I believe that.
james mccann
No, we have Barry Humphreys.
unidentified
I'll never be better.
james mccann
You know Barry Humphries?
unidentified
No.
james mccann
The first drag act.
joe rogan
I think we watched a clip once in the green room, but the problem is the green room is so loud.
Yeah, I'll watch.
james mccann
I watched him.
He would dress up like a Dame Edna.
This is in the 70s.
He's a conservative man.
He would dress up like a housewife, like a very dowdy drag act.
And it was super funny.
He really broke through in the UK.
And then the festival turned their back on him.
He started the Melbourne Comedy Festival, and then he made some trans remark.
And Hannah Gadsby, I think, was like, I'm not taking this award in his name.
unidentified
Okay, you changed the award.
joe rogan
You're the funniest Australian.
james mccann
I reach out to Hannah as well.
You forget about Hannah.
Hannah was a great club act.
I tell this to people all the time.
No one wants to believe it.
joe rogan
Well, listen, man, it's just she did a different thing.
A lot of people got mad at that, but I don't get mad at things that are not for me.
it's pointless.
unidentified
I think it took me a while.
james mccann
It was like a revolutionary act for Americans because you don't have comedy festivals in the same way here.
But like everyone in Australia was doing the I Got Raped show or the I Wanted to Commit Suicide show.
unidentified
Oh, really?
james mccann
Yeah, everyone does an hour.
That's the only way you can.
There's only five cities.
So the comedy festivals are the only way you can really break through and make money.
There's five clubs, and once you've done two of them, you've got nothing.
So you have to have a new hour every year.
There was the, oh man, there have been some great I Was Molested shows.
Shout out Corey White for one of the greatest I Was Molested shows ever.
Dave Quirk had the I Had an Affair show.
That was great.
Dad's Got Cancer.
Big show.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
james mccann
Big show.
Mum died when I was young.
Saw that Eve.
joe rogan
Sort of like more like a spoken word thing than you would say stand-up comedy.
james mccann
People do all the jokes they wrote that year, which gets you to like 35 minutes.
Then you tell a 10-minute, very sad story.
And then.
And then I finished my chicken curry and I thought I'm ready to die.
And then you bring it back with a gag at the end.
joe rogan
And that was like standard?
james mccann
Yeah.
It's still going on to this day.
unidentified
There's a lot of yeah.
joe rogan
I couldn't imagine you doing that.
You're so like funny heavy.
Like your comedy's very funny heavy.
james mccann
It feels important for comedy.
joe rogan
It's the fucking most important thing.
It's fun to get interesting ideas out there.
It really is.
It's fun to talk about interesting subjects, but it's got to be funny.
james mccann
I mean, when people have a theme, Colin Quinn does this all the time, and it's great.
He does like that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
james mccann
Don't you therapy show, Red State, Blue State thing.
History of America in New York is great.
joe rogan
He's a genius at it.
He's probably the best at it about telling interesting subject matter, using interesting subject matter, telling you things you didn't know with comedy.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
And highlighting the ridiculousness of it all.
james mccann
He was at the club and that was crazy.
joe rogan
He's great.
james mccann
He's such a great.
Usually time is dragging on when people are on stage and you check how long it's gone, even if it's great and you go, I thought we were at the 20-minute mark.
It's been six minutes or something.
Dude, time just disappears for him.
joe rogan
Really blew me away is Jimmy Carr.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
He was so on when he was here.
He was doing new stuff.
james mccann
I saw him running the new with the pages.
joe rogan
Yeah, with the pages.
But the polish, like while he's doing the new stuff, he's so good off the cuff that even if the new stuff was going sideways, people love him.
He figured out a way to turn it around and would address it.
Oh, he was so good.
james mccann
He just sits and writes, apparently.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
He teaches it, too.
He teaches it.
He has a program that they actually ran at the mothership for up-and-coming comedy.
james mccann
Did you teach it?
I'm always wary of that.
joe rogan
I don't think you could teach comedy necessarily, but I think you could teach, you could learn how he does it, and you can learn how certain people do it.
And I think some of that you can apply.
james mccann
And the Mitchellberg School of Comedy, you've got to take a lot of heroin.
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
And put your hair right over your face.
joe rogan
I think what you can do, though, is teach work ethic.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think that's half the battle.
Half the battle is just sitting down and actually writing.
And everyone comes up with an excuse.
It's like a cold plunge.
Everybody comes up with an excuse why they don't want a cold plunge.
And everybody comes up with an excuse why they don't write in front of a computer or on a piece of paper.
They always write only on stage.
james mccann
I mean, doing the same thing over and over again was I, for, I don't know, seven, eight years at the start, I struggled to do it.
I had no, I had like five bad hours of comedy.
And it wasn't until I probably impregnated my wife that was like, I should make sure there's a good five.
I should really boil this down to a good five minutes or I'm in real trouble.
joe rogan
Well, sometimes it's something like that has to happen in your life where you really take it seriously.
Because we all know comics that like we started with, we're like, oh my God, this guy's going to be huge.
Yeah.
And for whatever reason, they didn't put in the work.
They fucked off.
They self-sabotaged.
james mccann
Every town you go to, there's the guy who's going to be big.
joe rogan
I think if we can encourage more people, we can make less of that.
And I think we can give more people a chance.
Because I think we all could have been that person who quit.
And I know in the beginning, I thought about quit a bunch of times.
One of the things that helped me not quit is I tore my ACL.
james mccann
Okay.
joe rogan
So I couldn't train or compete anymore.
Because I was still kind of on the fence of whether I'd go back to fighting.
Because I was terrible at comedy.
I was like good every now and again.
james mccann
The ACL took that away from you.
You had one option now.
joe rogan
I was like, okay, I can't fight anymore.
I need to get surgery.
I got to take this seriously.
And I got to really pick one thing.
And I completely stopped competing.
So I was like a year into comedy.
So that was an important thing.
Like I needed a thing where I was like, okay, I've got no options now.
Like I can't just enter into a kickboxing tournament and say, fuck comedy.
This is too hard.
And it was just, it was a weird thing.
It was like I had to make a complete mind shift from someone who didn't care at all about other people's opinions, someone who was like, I will show you.
I will show you.
Like, I don't give a fuck what you think.
I will show you.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
To, I have to get you to like me.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have to be fun, not just funny with my friends, but I have to figure out how to make these people my friends where I was always very standoffish with new people.
It was a weird thing to try to adjust a comedy.
james mccann
Well, also, if you can't make it work, you have to stop at some point.
joe rogan
Oh, you have to.
If you can't make it work, but I did make it work sometimes.
I just had to figure out what was consistent when I was making it work.
james mccann
That's a bitch.
That's a real...
joe rogan
I know, it's hard.
james mccann
Because you have to come back and do it a couple times and miss a bit.
But I see people have a great, like a one-off, great one, and then you go, where did that go?
joe rogan
Oh, dude, there's a girl that I saw once in 1990.
No, 1995 or 6.
That's what it was.
1995 or 6.
She did a set in the belly room.
And it was one of the funniest sets I've ever seen in my life.
It was like I was watching a female Sam Kennison.
I was like, this girl is on fire.
Like, this is insane.
And then it never happened.
I don't know what happened.
You know, I don't know.
People just never really get it together.
Whatever the fuck they pulled off that time, they can't do again.
Lightning in a bottle.
But it was in there.
Like, it's in there.
That comedy was in there.
I was like, if this person with the right encouragement could have been fucking huge, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
I remember I saw my friend Amos on a day.
His girlfriend broke up with him and he went and did.
He did like 25.
And he was just heartbroken.
He was just complaining about being devastated.
And it was all the things that were wrong with his comedy beforehand were like gone.
He was used to be like unpleasant and in people's face and then he was like free and likable and good.
It's like, oh, you can't engineer to be broken up with every show.
joe rogan
You can't engineer that.
unidentified
Right.
james mccann
You shouldn't.
joe rogan
Well, that was Kinnison in the early days, right?
Kinnison in the early days was all about meeting the devil and the devil's like, oh, you've been married?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is all fucking nudie.
You know, it's all old hat to you.
Oh, this is where we're tortured the souls.
james mccann
I never had it.
joe rogan
Oh, you were married twice?
Like, remember that bit?
james mccann
Kinnison, the first time I realized that he was a big thing was when that poster went up backstage at the mothership.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
james mccann
Yeah, we didn't get him.
unidentified
Wow.
james mccann
We didn't get him, we didn't get...
We got Ron White because he was on Comedy Central.
So I had seen his special a bunch of times.
joe rogan
But that's crazy.
james mccann
But in terms of American comics, I didn't get Kinison.
I didn't get...
Who else?
joe rogan
He must have got Hicks.
james mccann
People around me had Hicks, but I was late to Hicks because the men who loved Hicks were nuts.
unidentified
Right.
james mccann
You know what I mean?
Like, you go, there's something good here, but I'm going to have to come back to it.
joe rogan
Well, he was so good and so unique in the kind of comedy that he did and so smart that it made a bunch of guys try to be like him.
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
There's many such cases.
There's guys who are great, but they destroy.
joe rogan
Dude.
james mccann
There's a lot of little Casey Rockets running around who think they don't have to write anything.
joe rogan
One of the all-time great...
I mean, if you...
I mean, he's an all-time great.
And when I saw him in like the 1980s, he did a club, I guess it was probably 90, 91 maybe, Eastside Comedy Club.
He did four different hours.
And the MC wanted to quit comedy after he MC'd for him the weekend.
He said, he did four different hours, a different hour on Friday night, first show, different hour, second show, different hour, first show, Saturday night, different hour.
All of them murdered.
And he said, it was insane.
And he goes, I wanted to quit comedy.
He saw Hicks and he said to me, like, we were hanging out together.
unidentified
He was like, God, I wish I makes me want to do more of that.
joe rogan
You know, I feel like sometimes I'm not doing enough of that.
Like, wow, that's crazy.
james mccann
Do you know Ken Dodd?
Do you know that he was a Liverpudlian comedian, I think.
But he would come out and he would do his new hour and people would like clap and say thank you.
And then he would say, right, I'm going to do the hour I did last time I was in town.
You can leave if you want, but I'll do.
And the second hour is the hour he did the year before.
And then he'd do the hour that he did the year before that.
And he'd just do hour after hour until the whole, until like if people had enough, they could get up and walk away.
unidentified
Wow.
james mccann
But he'd be there for like seven hours.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
You know, he used to do that.
james mccann
People hated it.
joe rogan
Chappelle used to do that.
He used to pull up to the Laugh Factory and do like a nine-hour set.
james mccann
Yeah.
unidentified
He's still doing it.
joe rogan
think him and Dane Cook had like a battle to see like who could do the longest set.
unidentified
I mean, I saw I got to go to Shane took me to the YS Firehouse, the club that Dave has set up in Yellow Springs.
james mccann
Yeah, it was on his birthday, and he did three hours, and he bombed at his own birthday.
And he kept saying, I can't believe I'm bombing at my own club on my birthday.
But then in the middle, there was a guy with a coat, and he just did maybe 45 minutes about this guy's coat of crowd work on his, just a, it was magical.
The whole thing flew.
He could release an hour on this guy's coat.
I think he's recording everything there.
He's building a vault, I think.
I think he's got a Prince vault.
unidentified
a prince vault yeah like how prince i think every second album prince would just put it away Yeah, he's got a whole system for how he creates comedy.
joe rogan
It's very unique.
He goes on stage and he has some subjects and he just fucks around and he gets a little drunk.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gets a little high and he's so funny that some of those things will wind up being bits.
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
And then he takes those bits and then he has all of them recorded.
So he's just constantly stocking.
And he goes on stage almost every night.
james mccann
There's nothing in my vault.
Everything I've gotten, I've got like...
joe rogan
Isn't that a great example?
Like, not everybody has the option to just go on stage and rant for three hours.
But isn't it educational to any young comics that says, okay, who do people consider to be the greatest comic alive?
Most people would say Dave Chappelle.
And Dave Chappelle is working harder than anybody.
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
It's not a coincidence.
Like, he's effortlessly funny.
Yes, for sure.
Brilliant.
Yes, for sure.
But also works every night.
Like, there's something to that.
And works every night and does long sets.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like every night.
Like, he's always there.
He's always getting better.
He's always covering new stuff.
james mccann
to do it before I came to America.
I would do like...
And I thought this was enough to get me where I needed to go.
No, going every night is it's also hard to go every night.
Like you don't, you have a good time once you're out.
unidentified
But then you got to avoid the comedy.
joe rogan
You got to avoid that feeling.
Right.
So it's a mental collapse.
It's, you know, familiarity breeds contempt.
It's not just in relationships.
It's in anything you do.
Yeah.
And that's where you have to reset your mind.
Right.
So like when you start to feel that coming on, like, I can't believe I have to do another set.
Fuck, I don't want to do a second show.
You have to remember what it was like when you had nothing.
And you have to remember what it was like when you would go to open mic night and just you weren't on the list.
You didn't make the list.
But you just wanted to go on stage so bad.
You wanted to go on stage so bad.
And you wanted to, you're like, I got to figure this thing out.
james mccann
You got to have your Johnny Cash moments in backstage at the Folsom Prison.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you are about to go do a second sold-out show?
james mccann
No, it's silly.
joe rogan
You should be so pumped.
It's just a familiarity thing, it's just a mind fuck.
But you can get over mind fucks, man.
You can get over them if you understand what they are and just recalibrate the way you engage with it.
james mccann
Figuring out a way to recalibrate that doesn't kill you in the long run is a good...
joe rogan
Like I know some people...
james mccann
Cocaine.
People get like fucked up or just play a video game all week and then they can get back and do it.
joe rogan
You don't have to, though.
You don't have to do those things.
james mccann
I think you've got to do something.
You've got to go for a nice walk.
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
I started swimming.
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Yeah.
james mccann
I'm all about, I've got nothing.
I go on stage and I try and talk about how much I love the pool.
I got nothing.
joe rogan
You might have to do it.
james mccann
You're going to make three sets where I stand there and go, isn't swimming beautiful?
joe rogan
You'll fear it.
james mccann
Then I say nothing and I wait for something to happen after that.
And I go and talk about the next thing.
joe rogan
Well, it's, you know, one of those exercises that because you're moving against the resistance of the water, it doesn't damage your joints.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's like, it feels like therapeutic, even though it feels like exercise.
james mccann
You can get yourself tired if you want.
You can slow it down.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
You can.
Yeah, and it's fun.
I swim with my dog.
james mccann
In a lake?
joe rogan
No, in a pool.
Me and the dog swim in the pool.
He's the funniest.
He's such a great dog.
james mccann
I did find your dog Instagram account.
Are you running the dog Instagram account?
joe rogan
My wife runs.
james mccann
Okay.
joe rogan
But he's so great that he won't swim unless you're swimming.
He knows he's not supposed to just randomly jump in the pool because then he comes in the house, fucks everything up.
So he only is allowed to swim when we tell him to swim.
And so he sits there like, are we fucking swimming today?
Yeah.
And then when he finds out we're swimming, we're like, oh, shit, we're swimming.
And he just jumps off the fucking side of the pool.
james mccann
Chlorinated pool.
A salt pool?
unidentified
Salt pool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think it's salt pool.
If it's not, it's supposed to be.
james mccann
I can float in that.
I cannot float in the chlorine pool, and that brings me great.
joe rogan
Why not?
james mccann
My legs sink down.
unidentified
Oh.
james mccann
I have no bum.
joe rogan
Have you ever done a float tank?
james mccann
Never.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
james mccann
I'm afraid of what would be in my brain.
joe rogan
You need to find out.
james mccann
No.
joe rogan
Go dig around.
Go dig around there.
james mccann
Repression is so beautiful.
joe rogan
Just dig around, dog.
james mccann
I've been there for five minutes.
I'll be back in the camera.
joe rogan
Just push it down and get back to work at the factory.
james mccann
It really does.
I'm a big believer in push it down and keep moving.
joe rogan
Hey, there's something to be said about it.
james mccann
I mean, you explode at some point.
joe rogan
Well, the opposite is not good, right?
If you're constantly dwelling on your problems all the time.
That's worse.
james mccann
I was – someone was – I got – Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Lord's name.
james mccann
But it was a beautiful experience.
I enjoyed it.
I had a nice time.
joe rogan
Did you get a rabbi to suck your dick?
james mccann
I thought about it.
I thought I could leave that in as an option.
But also, it's fine.
joe rogan
By the way, for people.
james mccann
You know different.
joe rogan
making a joke.
james mccann
They do suck the...
Sometimes they have a special tube.
joe rogan
Yeah, and sometimes they don't.
No, sometimes they just get the Holy Ghost.
Giving kids herpes and baby.
james mccann
Children do diet.
joe rogan
They died from it.
james mccann
Yeah, it's grim.
But circumcision in general, I'm in favor.
joe rogan
Why?
james mccann
Because I know what it was like before.
I know what it was like after.
It's not a big deal.
But there are people, what I'm saying, people make it their whole.
joe rogan
One of one.
james mccann
Yeah, I've experienced both as an adult.
joe rogan
I think most people would not want their dick to be cut for no real reason other than aesthetics.
And people are like, oh, it prevents AIDS.
Like, shut the fuck up.
james mccann
I got to go to the AIDS Memorial Garden in San Francisco.
joe rogan
Yeah, did you show them your new dick?
james mccann
Well, people definitely would.
It's a lot of nooks and crannies in the AIDS Memorial Garden.
Like, they built the perfect place to have sex with a man in the AIDS Market.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
james mccann
Someone's definitely gotten AIDS at the AIDS Memorial Garden.
joe rogan
You think so?
james mccann
And they're fucking away and they're gone.
I knew there was something I was supposed to remember.
Now I have AIDS.
It was very good.
It was a beautiful park.
San Francisco was lovely.
joe rogan
Have you ever listened to people like, what is that guy's name?
The guy that we had on the podcast a long time ago, Peter Duisberg.
james mccann
No.
joe rogan
If you want to go down the ultimate rabbit hole.
james mccann
Oh, what's he doing?
Is he in a park?
joe rogan
No.
Peter Duisberg doesn't believe that HIV causes AIDS.
james mccann
I've heard about this.
It's the treatment.
joe rogan
Peter Duisberg is, he's a professor of biology, University of California, Berkeley, tenured.
And he's done groundbreaking work on cancer.
He's considered to be a brilliant guy.
Considered to be a brilliant guy.
So in the 80s, when all this was going on with AIDS, his assertion was that there was a thing that people were not factoring in, is that almost all of the people who developed AIDS were hardcore partiers, hardcore drug users in the gay community.
And no one wanted to address that.
And he was saying, no, this is destroying their immune system.
And then HIV shows up.
He goes, HIV is a weak virus.
He goes, in most people, and what I read, what he said, and I don't know if this is true, maybe we could find out, that babies, if they're born, they test positive for HIV without any treatment at all, are HIV negative within a certain amount of time.
james mccann
Okay.
joe rogan
And so it all sounds nuts, right?
Because there's no way.
james mccann
There's no martial evidence for that.
Because like African countries, you would go, healthcare Would be bad, malnutrition would be.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing.
Are they really testing for HIV when they say these people have AIDS?
And is there other possible factors that could cause this immune thing?
And if you're dealing with, like, it's all coming out of this gay community where there are a lot of partying, there's a lot of drug use and a lot of wild fucking.
And these guys are burning it at both ends.
And when you do that, sometimes you fucking die.
Sometimes your immune system gets crashed.
Now, clearly, I'm not fucking smart enough to know if he's right or if everyone else in the world is right because it's literally that, right?
It's like he's not.
james mccann
I don't want that guy to be right, though.
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of people that agree with him and silently agree with him.
There's a bunch of people.
It's actually covered in RFK Jr.'s book on Fauci because it has to do with Fauci.
james mccann
But Fauci was in charge then.
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes, he was the one that was giving people AZT, right?
So AZT was a cancer medication that was killing people quicker than cancer was.
It was a chemotherapy.
And not only is it a chemotherapy, this is the only time during the AIDS crisis where a chemotherapy was prescribed permanently.
Because chemotherapy, the agreement is like, I'm going to take this poison that's going to destroy my body, but it's going to kill the cancer.
And then when the cancer is dead, I'm going to get healthy again.
Right?
james mccann
Yeah, no one gets focused on chemotherapy.
joe rogan
You don't stay on it.
james mccann
No one's getting an extra prescription.
joe rogan
And it's a super strong one.
And, you know, there was a lot of people that took AZT when they were asymptomatic.
Like, they didn't even have any of the symptoms.
They just tested positive for HIV.
And this is back when Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented the PCR test, he's like famously on record saying like this is no way to test for diseases and Fauci doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
And it's the same guy that was in charge during the whole COVID thing.
And you're like, that is the craziest conspiracy that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.
But what he's saying is HIV is present in people with already compromised immune systems and that this unique factor that they're all hardcore drug users was never taken into consideration.
james mccann
Well, I mean, certainly with COVID, they didn't take it into account.
Well, they fed people and weak people.
joe rogan
The thing is, you've got to look at it from a profitability standpoint.
And I know this is super cynical and sounds disgusting.
But if you have an actual disease that you can prescribe medication for, that's valuable.
If you have a bunch of people that are doing something that's super healthy that's killing them and you don't have a solution, that's not valuable.
james mccann
Well, they figured it out with fat people.
They've got the Ozempic.
I mean, people are just on the Ozempic forever.
joe rogan
Bro, do you know Ozempic is like the number one most profitable medication in the country?
I mean, I believe it, but.
Is that true?
Did I make that up?
I think that's true.
james mccann
They're all doing it.
joe rogan
Sometimes I see things on TikTok and I was like, is this China folks?
james mccann
Also, some of them look great.
I know people on Ozempic who are They're not doing it.
No.
joe rogan
Thinking about it?
james mccann
Never.
joe rogan
Nope.
james mccann
Not.
joe rogan
No way.
james mccann
I'm a comfortable level of fat.
In America, no one has ever called me fat.
joe rogan
No.
james mccann
In Australia at this body, all the time.
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah.
They're all fucking healthy over there.
You guys got to hike everywhere.
james mccann
I think the food is better.
For sure.
I became lactose intolerant when I came to America because I had raw milk and then I vomited green bile for a couple of days.
joe rogan
You ate raw milk here?
james mccann
I had like a gallon of raw milk in a day.
joe rogan
So raw milk, not pasteurized, not hot.
james mccann
I got it from the farmer's market.
The guy looked really strong and healthy.
I was like, I want that cool right-wing milk.
joe rogan
It gave you lactose intolerance?
james mccann
I don't know.
I like the milk so much I like to believe it wasn't that.
joe rogan
But it was dressed too much of it.
james mccann
I think I got some sort of weird bacteria, but I was, yeah.
Oh, green bile, both ends.
joe rogan
Really?
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
Lost away.
Right now you're destroying the raw milk industry.
james mccann
I'm still handed it.
It also, it was the most beautiful milk I've ever had.
I don't want to be negative about raw milk.
If you can have it and it doesn't do that to you, you had the raw milk?
joe rogan
I have.
james mccann
It's like drinking a secret.
joe rogan
I think raw milk should be like raw meat.
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone.
I know how to cook a steak, right?
You don't tell me how to cook a steak.
You let me buy raw milk.
Let me buy it.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you let me buy raw meat, let me buy raw milk.
Shut the fuck up.
Now, are you saying that it's killing people?
Okay, where's your evidence?
And is pasteurization and homogenization, which does make it more shelf-stable and make it so that you could, you know, you can keep it in the refrigerator for a long time and it's still fine.
And it has an expired buy date.
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
Raw milk goes bad quick.
So should you drink the bad raw milk?
No, definitely not.
But is there anything super beneficial about drinking the raw milk?
Well, there seems to be a lot of evidence as long as it doesn't have bacteria in it.
Okay, well, how do you prevent that?
Well, I feel like we can do that.
See, I don't think this a little bit more.
james mccann
This doesn't feel especially well regulated at the moment.
unidentified
That's the problem.
james mccann
I bought it from a guy's muddy van.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
james mccann
And then as I was vomiting and shitting, I was like, this doesn't feel natural.
joe rogan
You've got to get it from a reputable farmer.
But you get it from a reputable farmer.
They exist.
There's like a whole website where you can find raw milk because people are raw milk nuts, which is also what turns me off to raw milk.
The raw milk.
james mccann
Oh, my God.
For about six hours, I thought I had the greatest insight anybody had ever had.
This is the special milk we should all be having.
joe rogan
Until it started blowing out your body.
Maybe you just drank too much.
james mccann
Everyone else in the family was fine.
My wife, my kids, they had a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you probably drank too much.
I mean, if you drink too much of anything, you'll get diarrhea.
And think about how much you're dealing with how much milk fat and how much liquid.
You can get diarrhea just from that.
james mccann
Overdosed on the milk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
I've never had a milk problem before then, on the pasteurized milk.
joe rogan
So now you have a milk problem?
How so?
james mccann
I shit every time.
Oh, a big, heavy, weird.
joe rogan
So it gave you lactose intolerance?
james mccann
I like the milk so much, I don't want to blame the milk, but I will say it happened at the same time.
joe rogan
Okay, so is it from then on, are you getting lactose intolerant every time you drink raw milk or regular milk?
james mccann
Regular milk.
Maybe my body got used to the beautiful raw milk and it would only have to be.
I'm going to have a hard time selling that to the wife.
We're getting the raw milk back in the house.
joe rogan
Yeah, that might be it, dude.
I know that sounds crazy, but that might be it.
unidentified
like your body might prefer real milk and now that it knows what real milk yeah it's like fuck you with this boiled bread but i think this happened It's like your hands feel swollen.
joe rogan
I don't personally have any problem with homogenized and pasteurized milk.
Like when I drink it, it doesn't make me feel bad.
I don't feel great, but I will do it if I have cookies and milk.
james mccann
Oh, cookies and milk.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't think that you should be able to tell people that they can't sell raw milk.
I think you should tell people if you're going to sell raw milk, it has to meet some certain standards.
james mccann
Sure.
joe rogan
You have to have certain standards of how you cool it, what you're doing, making sure everything's clean, everything has to be inspected.
But they do that with other stuff.
unidentified
That's what USDA inspection meat is.
james mccann
It's definitely put together by big business to crush small people.
joe rogan
But they do it that way anyway with meat.
This is my point.
There's USDA inspections.
They have to make sure that the processing place is clean.
Everything's supposed to be underneath.
james mccann
And then even then they still do the like, you know, for a, like a burger used to be one cow and they'd grind that bit up and now it's like a thousand cows coming together.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I don't think there's laws against that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I don't, I think that if you, the cow thing is a weird thing, like when, and you're getting burgers that have like a thousand cows DNA in it.
It is a weird thing.
But I mean, it is just meeked, right?
james mccann
But I think those standards are put there by the big corporate.
Like I was thinking about like housing zones and districting.
Like in Australia, the median house price is a million dollars.
You can't buy.
No one in my generation is buying a home.
It's a weird.
There's so much land.
There's a lot of stuff.
You should just be able to like whip up a slum with your bros.
You go to a valley where no one is and you all live in a, that would be better to some extent rather than like renting in a horrible thing forever.
You used to be able to just like build a horrible thing.
You know, there was no building regulations.
Sometimes the ceiling would collapse and people would die.
joe rogan
So you think that's better to have no regulations?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
But that's how like stadiums collapse on people in third world countries.
james mccann
No doubt bad things will also happen.
joe rogan
No, that's a dumb idea.
james mccann
I'm not saying no regulation.
All right.
I'm going to walk back no regulation.
Okay.
But it would be nice if the regulation was somehow written just with the safety in mind and not so that I mean there are insane like there are buildings up now that are perfectly safe that wouldn't pass code if they were built today.
You couldn't build them again now.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't they pass code?
james mccann
Because they do things like the door has to be this far away from the stairs.
The ceiling has to be this height.
It needs eight fire beeping detectors.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
And the same way that, you know, like you can't cut hair without getting a degree.
You need like a certificate to be a hairdresser.
And they go, this is to make hair cutting safer.
But like people were cutting hair without.
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joe rogan
Okay, cutting hair is not as big an issue.
I think we should go back to the houses.
james mccann
All right, go ahead.
joe rogan
Like, if you want to save lives, you want houses that you can escape in the case of a fire.
And if you don't hold the builder accountable, the person who's making that house, even if they're making it for themselves, they will then sell that house to someone else most likely.
And that person will not be in a house that's necessarily the safest it could be.
It just makes sense.
james mccann
It would result in big problems.
joe rogan
It makes sense.
But it makes sense.
No, no, no, no, no.
It makes sense.
Listen, when I was a kid, I grew up in construction sites.
My father was an architect.
My stepdad was an architect.
When I was real young, I got to see real shitty construction, how dangerous it is when people fuck around, don't follow code.
How many shady guys do a bad job?
How many people try to use lesser materials than they're supposed to be used?
It's constant.
And if you don't have regulation, you put people's lives at stake.
james mccann
I don't think America has the same problem with regulation here because you guys seem to be able to build houses.
joe rogan
Well, we have a lot of regulations, though.
It's a giant point of contention with people.
james mccann
There's a way to do it in a way that is just to help industry make house prices stay high.
joe rogan
Well, that's true, too.
Both things can be true.
I think there's definitely people that take advantage of regulation, and there's definitely people that most likely stifle other businesses' growth through promotion of regulation.
That's probably true, too.
But also, like, for some stuff, like for safety stuff in homes, you fucking need regulation because if you sell it to my mom and she doesn't know how anything works, and then the house catches on fire, this would also be bad.
Yeah, it's just do it the right way.
They know how to do it the right way.
People have established a system.
Now, there's a bunch of shit that's arbitrary, that gets aesthetic, and I'm not in favor of that.
When people get to decide what the front of your house should look like or what color you paint it.
james mccann
You can make something safer forever, though, and there's no limit.
There's no like there's no zero that you can reach of safety.
Yeah, but there comes a point where the effort goes up to the extent where it's not.
joe rogan
No, but you hit a reasonable level, and then you stop, and that's what the regulations say.
james mccann
We never stop.
I mean, I think with driver's licenses, you should have some test for competency to drive a car.
joe rogan
100%.
james mccann
It should be something.
I mean, in Australia, when I was trying to get, I didn't get my license until I was like 27 because it took forever.
Like, you've got to get 100 hours registered.
You've got to do a weird test.
I got a driver's license in Ohio where I don't think road fatalities are that much higher than the rest of the world.
And you get in the car, you drive around the block, the guy goes, you know how to operate this vehicle.
We're going to say it's not going to cost $1,000.
It's more straightforward.
There's a balance to be gotten right.
joe rogan
100%.
I think you're 100% right.
james mccann
I relish in America that you're closer to the freedom side of things.
joe rogan
100%.
Definitely much more than Australia is.
And you got to see that during the pandemic, too.
But the thing is, there's a difference between over-regulation and Wild West, right?
There's like a fine line.
There's a comfortable middle.
And I think that middle has to be fought for because I think it really is important to have people that are actually experts, that their job is to make sure that someone builds a house correctly.
Go and look and make sure you do.
But then again, you open the door, the possibility that that inspector guy is a douchebag, and then he's got a chip on his shoulder, and he's got a big fucking ego, and people bribe him.
And, you know, there's always a possibility of that kind of stuff happening too, where people love to have control over people.
They love to tell you you can't build.
They love to tell you you got to repaint your house because the color doesn't match our community.
james mccann
How do you check that?
Other than everyone having a gun and getting ready to a simmering level of violence and revolution.
joe rogan
You got to fight back before they ever get to that point.
It's real hard to regain ground once someone takes ground with like ridiculous legislation.
Like look, they've been trying to legalize weed in this country for fucking 50 years and they barely put a dent in it.
I don't know.
They've only done it on a state level.
But the point is, it's like once you lose rights.
You know, like if they tried to, if marijuana was legal just like alcohol and all of a sudden they tried to make it illegal, people would riot in the streets.
Like, what are you doing?
You can't do that because it wouldn't make sense.
People would be furious.
But once it's done, even if it's the same exact situation, the same exact data, the same exact safety profile, the same exact number of people using it in the country, it's just, it's been fucked because it got put into this weird position.
james mccann
But you guys, you got prohibition somehow.
joe rogan
You got alcohol taken off the streets for bad, and it lasted a long time, and it led directly into marijuana prohibition.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Same exact people.
james mccann
But you just need to find something to have prohibition against.
joe rogan
How about cartel prohibition?
How about that?
You know, how about fentanyl?
Stop thinking about things.
But then you find out, like, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, a minute.
There's a lot tied to this.
It's like the alcohol lobby doesn't want marijuana to be legalized.
So they fight against it, and they get politicians that are on their side.
Hey, Ralph, you're going to vote for this issue on our side.
james mccann
That's the way Ralph came over.
unidentified
Ralph?
james mccann
Ralph Nader?
joe rogan
No, no, no, not that guy.
He doesn't do that.
But, you know, that's part of the problem, too, man.
It's like there's a lot of money involved in keeping it illegal.
james mccann
And you're like, Jesus Christ But at least you can have I think America's one of the only countries that primaries You don't have to do it.
joe rogan
They wouldn't even allow it for the Democrats.
james mccann
To primary?
joe rogan
For the last election.
There was not even.
james mccann
At the presidential level, they're more uptight.
unidentified
What does that mean?
james mccann
They got the super delegates and they got secret emails and it's not good.
But the fact that you could even have a system to fuck up is, I think, unique to America.
Like in Britain.
joe rogan
You can stick with the system.
james mccann
The party picks who the person is.
And if you're in the party, you get a huge benefit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
james mccann
That you can't have like a grassroots.
You can't have like the branch of the party go, we're putting forward a guy who's, we're going to primary somebody.
You really can primary people in America.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
You can, sort of, but not for president.
Not last time.
And they don't let certain people in the primaries.
Like they're keeping RFK Jr. out of the primaries.
james mccann
Yes.
And then running as an independent is very bad.
joe rogan
But that's not good.
james mccann
I'm not saying you're living up to it.
I'm not saying you're living up to the standards you said, but you're also the only ones who there's even like people go, we should be able to do it.
joe rogan
People wanted Trump to lose so badly they were willing to throw democracy out the window.
That's kind of what it is.
I mean, kind of what it is.
If that was coming from the Republican side, people would have been outraged.
james mccann
To do it in the name of democracy was very weird.
It's so wild.
It's like my first week here, there was a Biden speech where he was talking about how violence has no, he was like harping on about January 6th and stuff.
And he was saying violence has no place in the American system.
But then the example he gave was the American Revolution.
Like, I think that gets, you're meant to have, I think Benjamin Franklin wanted everyone having an armed uprising every like 12 years or something to wipe the slate clean.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
You're meant to, that's part of democracy.
Oh, do you know about Castro?
joe rogan
What about him?
james mccann
I'm in a big Wikipedia wormhole about Castro.
I didn't know that he hid that he was a communist until he took he wasn't a communist or he kept that quiet.
He was like a middle-class revolutionary and then his brother was a commie, but he was like, he didn't come out and say he was a communist until later.
And the CIA helped him.
I've been reading Castro's.
joe rogan
The CIA helped him take over.
james mccann
It looks like the CIA might have been.
And then towards the end, they said, we've got to get out of this.
This is no good.
They really, they changed horses.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
james mccann
They were really involved on both sides, but they were.
joe rogan
Do we do that everywhere?
james mccann
There's one Aussie that you might have done.
Gough Whitlam might have been taken out by the CIA.
No, he was also a problem, and people were quite happy to have him go.
But the Governor General, man, bro.
I don't have to go into too much detail.
Look it up, Pine Gap.
You have a military base in Australia, and he wanted to, like, get rid of it or get off American energy subsidies or something.
And then all of a sudden he was removed.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
james mccann
And we haven't rocked that boat again.
joe rogan
We are so good at that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Between us and the Israelis, the Israelis do the wildest assassinations.
Like, did you see one of them that they did with the Iranian generals?
Let's make sure that this is true, Jamie.
james mccann
I can get my visa removed for criticizing Israel.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
james mccann
I'm impressed by their beautiful assassination.
joe rogan
This is not a criticism.
This is saying, like, this is one of the most gangster things I've ever seen in my life.
They made a fake phone call to all these military leaders and said, everybody's got to meet at the bunker.
And then they blew the bunker up.
james mccann
That's very God, Father.
joe rogan
It's gangster as fuck.
And then you add that to the pagers.
They sent pagers out.
Didn't they send them out a long time in advance?
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
I think so.
And they got in on the supply side of it.
But they made the pagers and managed to.
joe rogan
I mean, you think about how incompetent some forms of our government are.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then how good they are at killing people that they want dead.
james mccann
They could do that pretty much in the Midwest.
That would be great.
unidentified
I know.
james mccann
If you could move people out of the CIA.
joe rogan
That same level of intensity.
Well, that's not CIA.
That's the Mossad.
But that's the same level of intent or the idea for whoever does it over in Israel.
But the same level of intensity with other things.
You could dominate the world.
james mccann
I mean, we could get a train going.
joe rogan
We could fix it.
james mccann
An actual high-speed rail in Texas.
I believe in it.
joe rogan
Imagine if they took that same kind of ingenuity and tried to fix poverty in America.
james mccann
Brian Simpson said a good, he was on stage for Bottom of the Barrel and he knocked, like someone knocked the barrel over and they all had to pick it up.
And he goes, that's the one thing that could go wrong.
We should really fix that.
We're never going to.
It's like America.
We have the resources to make sure that never happens and we won't.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, we won't.
But we put all of our effort into making shit that kills people quicker.
That's like the most amount of money, the most amount of effort, other than like consumer goods.
james mccann
I would say also sport.
Is it at some weird, very high level here?
joe rogan
Because that's war.
james mccann
It is a very militarized society.
Everyone's getting ready to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, football is just military strategy.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen Serbians play basketball?
james mccann
Yes.
Yeah, I've seen clips of that.
joe rogan
I've seen clips of Serbian crowds play basketball.
james mccann
They're big.
joe rogan
that shit doesn't feel like war, the way the crowd is responding, the cheering, the fucking enthusiasm.
Like, dude, I watch it all the time just for inspiration.
james mccann
They're also the only guys other than black guys who can compete in...
joe rogan
Yeah, the giant whites from a warlike culture.
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
No one else.
Sometimes an Aussie gets through.
We've had like two Aussies breakthroughs.
joe rogan
Bro, Serbian fighters are terrifying.
The dudes from like the Caucas region, like all the guys from Dagas, Georgia, animals.
james mccann
They couldn't get it to work.
joe rogan
Dude, someone just printed something or posted something about the UFC's top pound-for-pound list, and six of them are from the Caucas region.
Six of them.
james mccann
That seems high.
But there's also, sometimes that's like a genetic.
Like marathon runners tend to be from one mountain.
In Kenya?
joe rogan
There's the elite of the elite?
james mccann
Yeah, like people go, black people are good at marathon running.
But then when you boil it down, it's like, okay, but 90% of them are from Kenya.
And then 90% of those people are from one mountain in Kenya, where the air is very thin.
joe rogan
Oh, so they've adapted.
james mccann
There's a book called Taboo, which is about race difference in all sports.
And they're like, you're this likely to, you know, you can't be a white corner.
Now there is one, I think, but like...
But there are, it's very rare and it's very strange.
And some of it's social stuff.
But a lot of it is.
I was reading a thing about Mexicans can't get knocked out.
joe rogan
That's not true.
james mccann
No, there must be some, but there's like some gene that is very common in the Mexican population that makes it less likely that you'll be knocked out.
unidentified
What?
Really?
james mccann
I think that's why they have lots of boxes.
I'm half remembering something I read on Wikipedia late at night.
joe rogan
Wouldn't that be crazy if they have such a history of boxing that boxing has somehow or another gotten into their genes to have strong chins?
james mccann
What came first?
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
The chicken of the egg.
james mccann
Am I right?
joe rogan
Any connection between Mexican men and the specific gene ACTN3?
Saw a video on how Mexicans are so good at boxing.
Mexico has produced 209 champions.
That's pretty incredible.
Video explains how Mexicans supposedly have a gene that has the ACTN3, which determines endurance and or strength, one or the other.
I was wondering, is there any truth to this?
What's the answer?
james mccann
This is about what I need to believe something, is a Reddit post from four years ago.
joe rogan
No, if you look down there, is this just one person's post?
Did someone answer them?
jamie vernon
Well, I didn't want to get into the answers because you never know.
That's where, like his point, you never know where this goes.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
I was just going to start there and then start.
joe rogan
Let's find out if there's anything to that.
It's fascinating.
But I would wonder, because if you think about a history of boxing, boy, Mexico has such a history of boxing.
And also, there's a high-level poverty.
So whenever there's a high-level poverty, there's a lot of sports where you don't need a lot of money to play them.
Soccer's one.
Boxing's another one.
You just need gloves and you could just fuck around and guys be good.
james mccann
So I was doing a bit about this and I could never get it to really fly.
But like Kyrgyzstan, they have a wife wrestling.
You wrestle a woman into a van if you want to marry a woman in Kyrgyzstan.
joe rogan
Today?
james mccann
Yeah, they call it Alakachu.
joe rogan
Alakachu.
james mccann
And there's a big Wikipedia page on that.
You've got to get this lady in the van against her will.
And then once she gets in the van, she's so ashamed that she marries you.
But like the one sport they're good at at the Olympics is women's freestyle wrestling.
They're great at that.
So what came first?
The medals or the van?
Did they have to get good at wrestling because men kept putting them in vans?
Or were they so good at wrestling that men were like, let's let them show off their beautiful skills?
joe rogan
That's a really good question.
I would imagine they were fending off men for a long time.
They had a developed technique.
james mccann
I assume it was a horse before it was a van.
joe rogan
Jesus.
james mccann
You can wrestle because they only got the van quite late.
There's no way.
Anyway, one day I'm going to make that fly.
That's going to be it.
joe rogan
If it's a part of your culture, I would, you know, Jesus.
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
Bride kidnapping.
Jesus Christ.
james mccann
Yeah, there's a lot of vice.
We are breaking the law, says Mediev.
jamie vernon
But everyone understands the tradition and you can't change it.
joe rogan
Wow.
Member of a local government, a small village outside of Kyrg's capital.
How do you say that?
Bishkek?
Bishkek, you think?
james mccann
I guess it's as good as mine.
joe rogan
But everyone here understands is a tradition and you can't change it.
Oh, okay.
Mediv kidnapped his wife, Elmira, more than 10 years ago.
He's one of many Kyrgyz men who have gotten married through the Central Asian practice of bride kidnapping.
james mccann
And they go like 80% of the time it's consensual.
But then 20% of the time you're just wrestling a woman into a van against her will.
joe rogan
So there are consensual kidnappings where two people know each other and it's kind of role-playing.
Then there's full-on off-the-street abductions.
Unfortunately, they both look the same.
james mccann
You really want a safe word for that.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
It could be hard to tell if the girl you see crying for her mom and clawing at the faces of her abductors is merely acting out her part for her boyfriend and his family's sake or is actually on her way to being married against her will.
Like, what the fuck?
james mccann
Very important to be able to tell the difference, I would say.
I don't want to pass judgment on the people of Kyrgyzstan.
joe rogan
This is the thing about the world.
If you go back like 6,000, 7,000 years ago, it was all like that.
james mccann
You can go back to 100 years ago and everyone, they were footbinding in China.
They were having people doing it.
Oh, they can't still be binding the face.
joe rogan
There are still photos of it.
james mccann
They still footbinding in China?
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know how widely practiced it is.
They're older ladies.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know when they stopped, but I don't think it was that long ago.
Like, there's people that are alive right now that have those football.
james mccann
Well, I'm for it.
You don't want some filthy peasant foot on your wife.
You want a humble, graceful.
joe rogan
Bro, you better keep those socks on.
james mccann
They do.
I was reading the best.
joe rogan
Those feet are weird.
james mccann
They look like they're folded in on themselves.
joe rogan
They're so painful to walk on.
james mccann
Right when it must have choked.
I think it's Cameroon.
They do chest bind.
Like, they flatten a woman's...
When she starts getting breasts, they like...
But what's weird is that it's the Christian progressive people who are doing it.
Because the culture is once a woman has breasts, she has to get married and she has to come out of school.
So because you love your daughter, you iron the boobs down so that she doesn't have to get married for a couple of years.
Isn't that funny?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
james mccann
They should put an end to it.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Last shoe factory making lotus shoes closed in 1990.
Wow.
james mccann
It could be some Michael Jordan lotus shoes out there.
joe rogan
Lotus shoes.
Oh, my God.
So when did this start?
jamie vernon
That's it.
1200s or something.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
The 1200s.
Look at that lady's foot.
Look at that.
That is so crazy.
james mccann
I just see beauty.
I just see.
joe rogan
I see painful pinky toes.
How is that lady ever going to take like an aerobics class?
Look how it's become the part of the bottom of her foot.
That's so crazy.
How badly does that fuck with your back?
james mccann
It's so big on that screen.
I'd never seen them that big before.
joe rogan
Bro, those feet are busted up.
james mccann
But the commies stamped it out mostly.
joe rogan
The commies mostly.
unidentified
The commiseration can't work.
james mccann
No, you got to be, yeah.
You can't partake in the great glorious revolution.
Or the lotus shoe?
They are beautiful shoes.
joe rogan
Ugh.
That's so crazy.
james mccann
You can't buy them.
unidentified
Why not?
james mccann
Went straight to shopping.
unidentified
You never know.
joe rogan
Is that the same thing?
No, that's a brand name.
That's a brand name.
james mccann
You walk into your house, it's all O.J. Simpson merchandise and foot-bound lotus shoes.
jamie vernon
Actually, the driver is pretty good.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
What a fucked-up practice.
james mccann
Yeah, there's a lot of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, what about the one where women put plates in their lips?
james mccann
Oh, plates in the lip?
The neck extension?
I love the ring neck extensions.
joe rogan
The ring neck extensions don't even make sense.
unidentified
Like, how does that work?
joe rogan
Like, if you take it off, will your head fall off?
Like, do you have any muscles left?
Do you have any muscles left to support your head?
james mccann
I would doubt it.
joe rogan
Like, do you have to keep that on for the rest of the day?
james mccann
I don't think they're meant to be that long.
joe rogan
No.
james mccann
I think they're all.
joe rogan
Bro, that's fucking insane.
That's insane.
james mccann
Just one guy saw a giraffe and he was like, can we do that?
joe rogan
Is that a Photoshop?
Is that a Photoshop?
jamie vernon
That's the same person in multiple.
joe rogan
That's really legit.
james mccann
But there's a young lady doing it.
joe rogan
That can't be Photoshop.
That can't be real.
That can't be real.
That lady's head is 15 feet.
james mccann
That last one's like AI.0 for neck guys.
joe rogan
Bro, that's so dark.
That's so weird.
Like, I don't like that at all.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, don't show me.
Oh, they just keep piling those things on and fitting them.
What a weird thing to do to your neck, man.
That's got to be a good thing.
james mccann
So we do weird stuff.
We inject lips.
joe rogan
But, bro, that's crazy.
She's got a towel under her chest.
james mccann
But they could be watching it being like, you know, in America, they chop off a little boy's penis and they turn it into a pretend vagina.
Isn't that sick and wrong?
joe rogan
Well, they probably do that there, too.
And I would agree with them.
james mccann
That's a very important part of our culture.
joe rogan
I wonder if they do do it.
You know, someone in the green room was saying the other day the reason why there's so many ladyboys in Thailand was because being homosexual was illegal.
unidentified
Is that true?
james mccann
Wasn't it illegal everywhere?
joe rogan
This person that said it is just, they said it in passing.
I don't know if it was true.
And I meant to Google it and I totally forgot it until now.
james mccann
I mean, it could be.
I'm pretty sure it was illegal all over the place and no one else was doing that.
No one else said that there was a particular reaction.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that's the thing about what is that fucker?
Turing.
Alan Turing.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Alan Turing was the guy who invented the Turing test.
unidentified
And he was gay and they- They gave him hormone blockers.
james mccann
Was it just because he was gay?
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
There were so many gay British guys, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he was like...
james mccann
They had like a long history of...
joe rogan
Oh.
james mccann
Yeah, I think he went after a guy's young son.
joe rogan
Well, they could always target you for it, though.
james mccann
If they want to get you for something else, they will use that.
But I think Byron was off.
joe rogan
But he was like hospitalized.
Legality of same-sex activity.
Private adult, consensual, and non-commercial sodomy was decriminalized in Thailand in 1956.
However, same-sex attraction and transgender identities were still seen as socially unacceptable in many cases.
Those that gender expression or behavior falls out of social norms are less likely to be tolerated or accepted.
So what happened?
jamie vernon
Just this year, they've allowed same-sex marriage.
james mccann
They've allowed adoption from this year.
That's very late to it because I think a lot of gay couples have been going there to get children for a long time.
And now they're saying you can have them here.
Like, that's a big...
joe rogan
It's kind of bizarre.
james mccann
I'm against it.
joe rogan
It's very strange.
The idea of a surrogate is very odd.
Like you're having a baby, but it's not really you having the baby.
Like, okay, I get it.
If someone can have a baby, the couple wants to have a baby, they hire a surrogate.
unidentified
I get it, it's your genes, it's your baby, but it's still but also there's-I mean, I know Elon has like a lot of kids with different ladies, but then I mean, that's the public one.
james mccann
He's like one of the only public-facing billionaires.
There's got to be guys out there who are like, I'm getting 10,000 kids.
I'm like, take my cum and move it out across.
I'm going to be Genghis Khan with science.
joe rogan
Well, guys have done that that are doctors.
james mccann
They just put their own cum?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
There's a breakout case in Adelaide at all.
james mccann
There's a guy who's, there's maybe a thousand siblings in Adelaide.
unidentified
My husband.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Every time guys get a chance, they do it.
Surrogacy has a long history dating back to ancient times with the real examples found in Babylon and the Bible.
While it traditionally involved natural conception, modern surrogacy, including artificial insemination and in vitro fertilization, has been developed through scientific and legal advancements.
Okay, but the thing is, it's like they're just playing with words.
Hold on.
Let's go back.
Because they're saying surrogacy for someone having sex with someone and getting them pregnant and having a baby.
That's not surrogacy.
unidentified
You got a pregnant with...
joe rogan
Yeah, you got another lady pregnant.
That's all that is.
So what we think of as surrogacy is you taking an embryo and inserting it into another woman's womb, right?
That's a completely new thing.
unidentified
And I think it's weird.
james mccann
It's common in like wives of soldiers.
joe rogan
The other one's like an agreement.
Like if the wife can't get pregnant, but she wants to have a baby and she says, listen, if you fuck my best friend, she'll have the baby and then we'll take care of the baby.
And I know that I can't have babies, but you, you know, if that's, if you guys are that kind of swingers and you're down with that, that's up to you.
james mccann
That feels different from science.
joe rogan
It's not surrogacy.
You just had a baby with a different human.
james mccann
No, surrogacy seems bad and wrong.
I'm digging in.
joe rogan
But bro, it's going to go to artificial wombs.
All right.
That's going to be the new one.
And whether that's 20 years from now or 50 years from now, you're going to be able to make a baby outside of a human body.
It's going to get real freakies.
james mccann
We've got to draw a hot line.
jamie vernon
I pulled this up.
The IVF thing gave me a weird thought.
I'm a little stunned thought.
It's not possible how Jesus was born.
Was it they didn't have any sort of way that we were organization back in the IVF days?
Like forgot about it.
joe rogan
Could be.
Could be that they had that technique.
james mccann
Jamie was the Holy Spirit.
jamie vernon
I know what they say.
I'm just, but like, yeah.
Dolphins advocate, obviously.
joe rogan
Well, for sure, they could have inserted sperm into her.
Without her ever having sex, they could have impregnated.
james mccann
I think there's like dolphins that can do it.
If dolphins are on their own for a long time, then an egg can fertilize another egg.
joe rogan
What?
james mccann
It doesn't happen often, but there are examples of it.
joe rogan
Really?
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
james mccann
I think I believe that I've read that.
joe rogan
You sure?
james mccann
I've said that loudly and confidently at a party before.
joe rogan
Mammal?
james mccann
It might have been.
joe rogan
That's homeschool crazy that a mammal could do that.
jamie vernon
Dolphins don't lay eggs.
Oh, inside, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Inside of them?
They can't do it.
james mccann
I'm so happy for that.
I think it's like a couple examples of auto-insemination.
joe rogan
So it's like one of the eggs has so much jizz in it that it leaks out and you get a very butch egg.
unidentified
Yeah, you can get it.
james mccann
You get a trans egg.
joe rogan
You get maybe one of the eggs is male and it just jizzes on the other egg.
james mccann
You know, it's an early developer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just like comes out of, maybe jizz is like in some of them, out of the box.
james mccann
I think there's virgin birth in nature.
It's not common.
Well, there's a lot, but it's a lot of fun.
joe rogan
There's definitely animals switch genders.
The animals, especially like primitive reptilian-type fucking weird animals, there's certain animals that can switch their genders.
james mccann
I think seahorse ladies have a penis.
joe rogan
I think so.
james mccann
Am I getting that?
joe rogan
You know, hyenas have a penis.
Females.
james mccann
No, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Bigger than the males.
james mccann
Just for show?
joe rogan
No, they dominate the males.
They're bigger than.
They peg the males with their female hyenas.
They're one of the rare matriarchal mammals.
So the females are bigger than the males.
They have more testosterone than the males, and they have bigger dicks.
And they hold the males down.
You want some of this pussy?
And then the male has to take his little dick and stick it inside of her big dick.
james mccann
What with the big lady dick just slapping against his belly?
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to hear even worse?
60% of all hyenas that are born suffocate to death during childbirth.
Coming out of that dick.
Because they're coming out of the dynamic.
james mccann
They come out of the dick?
The vagina's on the tip of the dick.
joe rogan
No, it's really a vagina.
james mccann
Come on, hold on.
joe rogan
It's a vagina, but it's like a little bit of a dude.
james mccann
Can we see the hyena?
joe rogan
Oh, it's bananas.
It's bananas.
james mccann
I want to.
joe rogan
They call it like a faux penis.
james mccann
Man, I think last time Shane came on here, I think you guys were talking about the trans penises, and then he just kept texting me the trans penis.
joe rogan
Oh, he's horrible at that.
He's horrible.
unidentified
Just wake up in the middle of the night and show these skin graft scars.
joe rogan
You're like, what am I looking at?
james mccann
Why is it so much bigger than mine?
Why can't you have a humble penis?
I've got to see.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
All right.
joe rogan
So female hyenas have this giant fake dick.
james mccann
Ah!
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's huge.
james mccann
They have to put their penis.
The boys have to put their dicks in.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And that's how the babies come out of that.
A lot of the babies die on the way out.
james mccann
We've got to destroy all the hyenas.
joe rogan
60%, I think.
I think that's the number.
Let's make sure that that's the correct number.
I'm pretty sure it is.
james mccann
The hyena people will be furious if they're not.
joe rogan
60% suffocate during childbirth.
And then on top of that, then they fight over who gets the nipple.
And some of them get killed.
james mccann
Well, that's why they're so unhappy all the time.
Of the Lion King.
joe rogan
They're just in the most ruthless environment, and they're not the biggest animals.
jamie vernon
18% mortality.
First-time mother, that's the mother die.
joe rogan
Oh, 9% to 18%, the mother dies.
Jesus Christ.
That's crazy.
james mccann
Got eyes out.
joe rogan
Could you imagine 80% of the women dying because they're giving birth?
Yeah, 60% of all spotted hyena cubs die in the early stages of life, especially from the first litter.
Some scientific observations place the survival rate of firstborn cubs at around 40% or less.
Wow.
james mccann
So sibilicide is huge.
joe rogan
Siblicide is very huge.
They fight to the death over little nipples.
james mccann
And like stepdads are not common in the animal kingdom.
joe rogan
Well, that's also why female hyenas, I think, are bigger.
james mccann
They're going to protect.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're there to because the men hyenas are bitches, and the men probably eat the babies because that happens in other communities, like that happens in bears.
In the bear world, female tigers, or female bears, rather, the reason why when you stumble upon a female bear, she's ready to fuck you up.
Like, that's the worst thing that can happen in the woods.
You stumble upon a female bear with her cubs, you're in real trouble.
If you stumble upon a male and he might, he might not have any interest in you at all.
But if you stumble, if you're too close to the cubs, if like she is in front and the cubs are behind and you're behind them, you just run away.
Bro, you might not have the time.
She might just come for you and you can't do a goddamn thing about it because she's dealing with male grizzlies eating her cubs all the time.
So she's always on 10.
james mccann
I mean, if we go to Yosemite, should we bring a gun?
joe rogan
You shouldn't go off trail for sure.
You shouldn't go off trail.
You should definitely bring bear spray if you're anybody.
But Yosemite is in California, right?
I've fucked this up before.
Yellowstone has the grizzlies.
james mccann
It's Wyoming.
joe rogan
Yosemite has the black bears.
Black bears generally aren't as dangerous as grizzly bears.
james mccann
Are there grizzly bears in California?
joe rogan
No, there's not.
Even though it's the flag, the state flag.
It's the bear on the flag.
james mccann
The flag misled me.
joe rogan
Well, they killed too many people and they killed them all.
james mccann
But they've got coyotes still running around.
joe rogan
Coyotes don't really kill people, though.
They kill your cats and dogs.
Mountain lions occasionally kill people, but grizzlies were killing a lot.
james mccann
I feel like you guys have way more animals that kill people than we do.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
james mccann
People talk about our animals all the time.
We've got a snake and we've got a spider.
joe rogan
No.
james mccann
You want to watch out for.
joe rogan
You got saltwater crocodiles, motherfucker.
james mccann
Yeah, but if you stay away from the crocs- You just keep away from far north Queensland.
We were happy to give that one up to the Japanese.
We made a deal that if the Japanese invaded, we'd let them have the saltwater crocodile part of the country.
Have you seen Bob Cadder?
This is like our best clip from a politician.
He's talking about gay marriage and he turns it into talking about crocodiles.
joe rogan
No.
james mccann
Oh, Bob Cadder, crocodile, is my favourite.
He wins his Far North Queensland seat every year.
He's not in any party.
But he's like, let a thousand blossoms bloom.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Let me hear it.
unidentified
I mean, you know, people are entitled to their sexual proclivities.
I mean, let there be a thousand blossoms bloom as far as I'm concerned.
But I ain't spending any time on it because in the meantime, every three months, a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.
james mccann
He's the man.
He needs more power in our government.
joe rogan
Every three months.
That's a person that's torn apart by a crocodile in North Queensland.
Yeah, true.
james mccann
I believe it.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
james mccann
Well, there's a lot of people.
There's a lot of...
They swim out of the waters.
joe rogan
I want you to imagine this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if every three months someone got killed by a werewolf?
Would you still go out at night?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Every three months someone gets killed by a werewolf in your town.
james mccann
I mean, but how many people are dying on the roads every day?
joe rogan
I understand.
But there's something uniquely terrified about getting eaten.
james mccann
The Crocs never got Steve Irwin.
That was the Rays.
I'm more upset by the Rays.
joe rogan
Well, he knew how to handle the Crocs.
What's that?
jamie vernon
Four deaths since 2020 and nine non-fatal attacks.
See, that's bullshit.
You just didn't die.
You got ripped apart, though.
joe rogan
Nine.
Yeah, but that's not three.
That's not like what he was saying.
james mccann
It's come down.
He was saying that.
joe rogan
What was his number that he was saying?
james mccann
He said three a month.
What did he say?
joe rogan
Three a month?
jamie vernon
It was also seven years.
james mccann
Every three months.
Every three months.
joe rogan
Oh, every three months?
james mccann
We might have clamped down on it.
jamie vernon
That's only four a year.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
But also, there's, you know, you're not walking through the city and going, the crocs are going to come and get you.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you go anywhere near a lake and you make the wrong kind of vibrations.
james mccann
Yeah, they were very scared.
I went to Cairns once and they were all very scared.
joe rogan
They come out so quick.
They come out so quick, dude.
james mccann
But also, what a beautiful way to die.
If you have to die.
joe rogan
Not beautiful at all.
Nope, nope.
james mccann
He was eaten by a crocodile.
joe rogan
Reptilian evil.
The last moments of your life will be horrible energy that you will pass on to the cosmos.
You will die in the most horrific way possible.
jamie vernon
It's not that many.
They all fit on two pieces of paper.
james mccann
Yeah, where he's overplaying.
He's over 185.
joe rogan
These are all the people that have been killed.
james mccann
But again, Cairns, Cairns.
Cape York, Cape York.
That's up north.
joe rogan
So there's a lot of non-fatals in there.
james mccann
Or dude, very few people here.
No one, you know.
We've got Cairns.
That would be the biggest city up north.
joe rogan
Are those as large as the Nile crocodiles, the saltwater crocodiles?
james mccann
I don't know how big a Nile crocodile is.
I only just saw an alligator for the first time.
They're not as scary.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to see a big one, dude.
Lady just got killed in Orlando by one last week.
jamie vernon
Saltwater, larger, more vicious.
joe rogan
Saltwaters are larger than the Niles.
jamie vernon
More aggressive.
joe rogan
Bro, you have the most aggressive crocodiles in the world.
james mccann
We got them and we got Kangaroos are so friends.
joe rogan
You have the most aggressive dinosaur in the world in your country.
james mccann
That's why to get torn apart by one would be an honor.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I would like to do?
I'd like to get together with some special forces dudes and kill those motherfuckers from the air.
Okay, everybody thinks you have to keep them around.
You got to keep them around.
Yeah, I think maybe we keep three in a zoo and everybody else is dead.
james mccann
They're beautiful, Christian.
joe rogan
Turn them into shoes.
jamie vernon
You know about the cage of death?
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
You can get into a cage of death.
unidentified
Yeah, isn't that good?
james mccann
Don't you show me that?
That's a good cage.
That's a strong cave.
You'd be fine.
joe rogan
No, no, no, people.
Why do you want to do that?
Don't want to do.
Jesus, that is such a monster.
Such a fucking heartless monster.
If that thing opened up somehow accidentally, it would love to eat you.
What is wrong with people?
james mccann
He's got scratches on them, too.
unidentified
God.
james mccann
He's trying to get in there.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
unidentified
It's so big.
joe rogan
They're so terrifying, dude.
I mean, it is a fucking monster.
And that's not even a big one, man.
I have a friend.
His name is Jim Shockey, and he's a professional hunter.
He lives in Canada.
And they sent him to Africa to shoot crocodiles because they were killing so many people in this one village.
And he said when he got there, there was this one particular big croc that was there that was just killing everybody.
Everybody was like missing a foot.
Everybody had one arm.
james mccann
It was Like the jaws, but for crocodile?
joe rogan
Yeah, he said it was crazy.
It's like so many people in this town had been bitten by crocodiles.
So they had developed this system where they put posts in the ground in the water so that they knew the crocodiles couldn't get into that, right?
So what the crocodiles did was go around it and sneak into the water when the people weren't around.
james mccann
They're impressive, beautiful.
Have you seen in India when they get like a puma in the village and everyone's standing on the roof and the puma's like running around the streets and the guys are trying to throw a net on it?
joe rogan
Yeah, nuts.
james mccann
Is that it?
jamie vernon
Is that a big crack?
joe rogan
Oh my God.
jamie vernon
It's over 20 feet.
joe rogan
Is that a saltwater one?
james mccann
It looks bigger because they're very small people.
jamie vernon
That's so big, dude.
joe rogan
That's so big.
That's such a dinosaur.
james mccann
And then we turn it into handbags and shoes.
joe rogan
Thank God.
I went down a rabbit hole the other day.
It's so funny that people want to keep them around.
I know.
I want to be real clear.
I don't want them to go extinct for sure.
Mostly just fucking around here.
james mccann
They shouldn't be in residential.
joe rogan
It is weird that we tolerate a certain amount of monsters.
It's weird.
james mccann
To reintroduce them seems nutty.
joe rogan
Oh.
james mccann
When people are bringing the wolves back.
joe rogan
Bro, the thing they're doing in Colorado is so stupid because this is what they did.
Colorado took these wolves from Oregon that had been preying on cattle and then they moved them into Colorado where they preyed on cattle.
Yeah.
And then the people whose cattle they were preying on got pissed off.
So they took a bunch of them and removed them and put them in Pitkin County over by Aspen where they prey on cattle.
It's the dumbest thing.
Everyone's like, oh, it's going to be a good idea.
But people won the kill industry?
No, they're dumb.
They don't know what they're doing.
It's wildlife.
unidentified
It's ballot box.
joe rogan
No, it's the governor.
The governor and his husband wanted to do it this way.
They wanted to reintroduce wolves.
But wolves were already on their way to being reintroduced to Colorado.
They were doing it naturally.
There's wolves.
There's a pack of wolves that was established that had already made their way to Colorado.
Colorado borders Wyoming.
Wyoming has wolves.
So they were getting wolves.
james mccann
Is this a tourism thing?
Are they just like a bad thing?
joe rogan
They just know.
Look, there's some real thought that could be put into whether or not an ecosystem should be balanced with the proper amount of predators.
And if you, the human race, were responsible for killing off this one major predator that was in this ecosystem, that seems irresponsible.
And maybe we can bring that animal back and it would balance out the system.
This is the thought process.
The problem with that is these animals have become accustomed to just killing cattle.
They did it in Oregon, then they did it in Colorado, and then they're doing it where they are now.
And everybody wants to pretend it's not happening.
They want to pretend they didn't do a giant fuck up.
These are not wild wolves that are going to go out and hunt down elk and make the population smaller.
No, they're used to preying on cattle.
So they're killing cows all the time.
james mccann
But there's a lot of people who want to hunt, right?
There are people who want to take out the animals that the wolves would have taken out.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, but you should have a balance.
You should have mountain lions.
The wild can't, you can't sterilize certain aspects of the ecosystem because they're dangerous to you.
But what you shouldn't do is take these animals and then move them into an area where nothing is prepared.
The ranchers aren't prepared.
No one warned them.
They moved them to that area without letting anybody know.
One of my friends has a ranch there.
They released some of the wolves on his property.
And these wolves, now all of a sudden, wolves that are used to killing cattle are killing cattle down there.
james mccann
Yeah, because it would be way easier.
joe rogan
They're easier.
They're all together.
They don't run away.
They stand still, but then you kill the cows.
james mccann
Like in Britain, they got rid of all the wolves.
joe rogan
They got rid of all the wolves everywhere, dude.
There's a reason why they did it.
It was because wolves are like the most intelligent.
They're like psychic super predators.
They're the most intelligent of all predators.
They're the only predator that we have in North America that hunts in a pack.
And they're big.
You're dealing with a 100-pound plus animal that hunts in a pack.
james mccann
They're bringing back the dire wolf as well?
joe rogan
Well, so that's different.
Okay.
unidentified
This is not a woman.
joe rogan
They're not going to put it in the wild.
They brought it back to show that this gene editing that they do for animals is legitimate.
So to do that, they've reproduced an animal from the genes of one of them.
What was it?
What were the numbers, Jamie?
One was like 50,000 years old and one was like 70,000 years old when Beth Shapiro was in here.
The lady who's like the head geneticist and brilliant woman, she was explaining it all to us.
And it's just, the whole thing is bananas.
So they essentially didn't even know what they were going to look like until they came out.
james mccann
Is the hope that we get the dinosaurs?
Are they trying to build Jurassic Park?
joe rogan
100% that's going to come if they have DNA from a dinosaur.
I don't think they do.
I don't think it's possible.
I think it's too degraded when it's that old that you don't find like, but maybe they'll find something.
james mccann
But the Tasmanian Devils, definitely.
They're always trying to bring that back.
joe rogan
No, the Tasmanian tiger.
james mccann
Sorry, the Tiger.
joe rogan
Tasmanian Devils.
james mccann
Tasman Devils is, they're around.
joe rogan
That's a weird one because they get cancer from biting each other.
they get face cancer.
Do they really?
james mccann
Yeah, some of them are.
unidentified
Probably from Silas.
james mccann
Oh, they're very cute.
They're very...
It's the...
joe rogan
Those Tasmanian devils, they bite each other in the face and they get these horrible face deformities.
It's like communicable cancer.
It's like cancer that they transfer to each other.
It's really weird.
james mccann
Did they have that before we got there?
joe rogan
I don't think it has anything to do with us.
I think it has something to do with whatever the fuck is in their mouth.
You know, it could be just all the horrible shit that they eat.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they bite each other and their teeth are probably rotten and disgusting.
I don't know.
Why do Tasmanian tiger, or devils, rather, give each other cancer?
Let's find out.
james mccann
But were they...
What are we going to brush their teeth?
joe rogan
Can't do anything.
Unless you can come up with a medication that stops It from happening like an antibiotic or something.
I just don't understand how cancer can be communicable like that.
Like, you can just transfer it by biting.
Seems crazy.
james mccann
Yeah, if you got covered in a tumor, you wouldn't get cancer, would you?
joe rogan
Okay.
Devil facial tumor disease.
It's a contagious fatal cancer that primarily affects the face and the mouth area of Tasmanian devils.
Diseases significantly impacted the wild population, posing a serious threat to their survival.
What is it?
DFTD is a transmissible cancer, meaning it spreads through the transfer of living cancer cells, primarily via biting.
james mccann
They didn't notice till the 90s.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
The tumors usually start as lesions or patches on the mouth and on the face and grow into large, disfiguring masses.
The disease is almost universally fatal.
Whoa.
james mccann
So we must have done this.
We must know something.
But if it started in the 90s and now they're going extinct because of it.
joe rogan
But that does happen with animals sometimes.
james mccann
But that feels like weird timing that they could be.
They were getting by for 100,000 years and then 200 years after Whitey gets there.
joe rogan
But it's possible, right?
Yeah, that's possible.
It's good to be cynical.
james mccann
We're about to name a football team after them.
joe rogan
They're a crazy animal.
You ever hear the sounds they make?
james mccann
No.
joe rogan
Let's play that.
Play the sounds of Tasmanian Devil.
They sound so cool.
Like, he was my favorite character for sure in the Warner Brothers cartoons, The Tasmanian Devil.
He'd spin around.
He's your favorite.
He was fun.
james mccann
Bugs Bunny.
When I found out at university, people kept going like, he's black.
Do you know he's black?
joe rogan
Bugs Bunny's black.
james mccann
That's like a big thing that he was a black-coated character.
He's always like relaxed.
unidentified
Oh.
james mccann
And he's got a cool plan that he's working on.
He's like a Zootsuit guy from the 20s.
unidentified
Yeah.
let me hear some of this Yeah, look, Devil was an easy name to pick.
james mccann
No points for the guy who came up with that.
joe rogan
I mean, if you called it anything else, I would be disappointed.
james mccann
I miss our beautiful Australian animals.
I miss the trees.
I got to go through California and see all the gum trees again.
I didn't see gum trees in forever.
joe rogan
Look at that.
james mccann
That's so nice.
joe rogan
What a ferocious little fucker.
james mccann
Something gets in the blood where it's like, that's what I think an animal should look like.
joe rogan
You know what I saw?
james mccann
What do you think foliage should look like?
joe rogan
Close recently for a wolverine.
james mccann
Are they real?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, the real animal.
Yeah, it was at a badger.
No, it's a badger.
It's in the badger family, I think.
But I saw one at like this nature preserve when I was on the road.
It was pretty interesting, man.
You see those little fuckers, like, they're unbelievably ferocious.
They scare bears off of carcasses, and they weigh like 50 pounds.
james mccann
This is the year that I've seen the most animals, because I've got kids and we travel around.
And I've been to like eight zoos this year.
joe rogan
Oh, cool.
james mccann
There's a lot of zoos, but they're...
Did you know in New York they had a guy at the zoo?
They had a human zoo.
joe rogan
What is he fighting here, Jamie?
Yes.
james mccann
Wait, that's the Wolverine?
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
If we get into animal fight videos, I...
I think he pissed himself while that was happening.
joe rogan
Of course.
He probably pisses himself all over the place.
Just probably make himself more ferocious.
Like, the wolf gets a hold of him.
I've seen mountain lions get a hold of them, and they don't kill them.
They're like unbelievably durable.
james mccann
You ever watch the bird and the fish that goes on for like...
It's like a heron trying to get a small fish, and they play it in slow motion.
and they put classical music behind it.
joe rogan
No, I haven't seen that.
james mccann
Animals trying to get away from that.
joe rogan
I've watched a lot of those.
Animals trying to get away from animals.
james mccann
Running fast across the wilderness.
You want them to get away?
joe rogan
So your animals, you have a lot of weirdness going on over there, right?
Because you have kangaroos, sometimes they get like an infestation, right?
james mccann
Yeah, then they go up in a helicopter and they gun down the kangaroos.
joe rogan
What used to kill the kangaroos back in the day?
james mccann
I don't think anything was killing them.
joe rogan
So how did they get to the city?
james mccann
I think that might have just been less arable land.
Maybe they had like less to eat.
joe rogan
Oh.
james mccann
I assume they would starve.
But like, I don't think anything kills the emus.
We lost all our big predators.
joe rogan
The predators aren't dingoes.
james mccann
But dingoes came later.
Dingoes, I think, came from India.
joe rogan
Yeah, but here's the thing, man.
Some kangaroos are like six feet tall.
They're fucking huge.
james mccann
But they'll only bother you.
There's that one video, the guy with the dog.
joe rogan
Right, but what I'm saying is good luck to the dingo.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
These fuckers get big.
james mccann
Well, they're in packs, though.
joe rogan
The dingoes are.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so they'll.
james mccann
I think they're in packs.
joe rogan
Well, they probably don't hunt the big males either, right?
Bro, look at all.
james mccann
Fuck, I miss Australia.
joe rogan
Do you?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you miss the most?
james mccann
I miss the football.
I miss the accent.
joe rogan
Look at all these fucking I don't remember that.
james mccann
That doesn't usually happen.
We don't usually get together in a demon called It was during COVID when everyone was inside.
There was like kangaroos came back into the town.
They were jumping about.
joe rogan
So this is a mob of kangaroos?
james mccann
That does look like a mob.
You'll see them.
You'll go on like a nature walk and you'll just see a kangaroo in the distance just looking at you.
joe rogan
Jeez.
james mccann
But they're like, you know, they seem friendly and mysterious and then they jump away.
joe rogan
So was there like more dingoes all over Australia at one point in time?
james mccann
I think we clamped down on it at some point.
joe rogan
Clamped down on the dingo.
james mccann
Well, there was that lady who lost a baby and she said a dingo got it and no one believed her.
And now they think the dingo maybe got their baby.
But also the dingoes are all in the...
joe rogan
Imagine your dingo eating your baby and nobody believes you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Not only is it horrible that a dingo ate your baby, but then also you killed your baby.
james mccann
All right, my favourite one is the poet Ted Hughes.
He's married to Sylvia Plath.
He comes home, she's killed herself in the oven.
Oh, it's very sad.
joe rogan
She's killed herself in the oven?
james mccann
I don't think he came home.
He'd left her by that point for another woman.
She gassed herself in the oven.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
james mccann
Then he, I think it's the woman that he runs away with, a couple years later, she also kills herself in the family oven.
Oh, okay.
His second wife.
So like, from the outside, people in the British literary establishment start going, I think he's killing his wives in the oven.
You can't have a second oven suicide.
That's a form of once type situation.
joe rogan
Well, you could if the second wife obsessed about the death of the first wife to the point where.
james mccann
Boy, you'd be careful with wife number three.
You'd say we're going electric oven.
joe rogan
Well, these are ex-wives, right?
james mccann
Yeah, once they're.
I think he was still married to the second one.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
james mccann
He didn't have to leave her, but he.
joe rogan
So while they were married, she exed herself like that.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that guy's probably got shitty choice in ladies.
james mccann
I believe it.
But he's so good at having the second one in the same way.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's an issue.
You'd be like, this keeps coming up.
james mccann
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's the thing about the Clinton body count.
People go, if 51 of your friends commit suicide.
james mccann
Very sad.
joe rogan
Like, something's going on.
That's a giant number.
Most people don't have 51 close associates, wax themselves in strange ways.
james mccann
Some people are unlucky.
joe rogan
One of the guys hung himself from a tree by extension cord and then shot himself in the chest with a shotgun.
james mccann
Yeah, because he's a hard worker.
He was probably a good part of the DNC operation.
You didn't want to leave it to chance.
Yeah, the mysterious suicide.
It's hard not to get into the conspiracy.
I try not to have a conspiratorial mindset because I get unhappy.
joe rogan
Well, we already talked about what Israel did.
They made the fake phone call, told them.
james mccann
But that was only because it was impressive.
joe rogan
That's a conspiracy.
james mccann
And I thought it was cool.
joe rogan
Right, it is cool.
james mccann
But the beepers, they came out and they said we did it.
joe rogan
Both of them are cool, but it's a conspiracy.
They conspired to whack somebody.
james mccann
They did conspire.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they did it, and they pulled it off.
james mccann
Well, they also, they were getting like the last Nazis for a while.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
james mccann
Over the letter hunting.
joe rogan
Hunt them down.
50 years later, 60 years later.
Hunt them down.
james mccann
You think they'd manage to clear up Hamas quicker?
joe rogan
It's one of the weirder things.
You ever see that show, Hunting Hitler or Finding Hitler?
james mccann
Nah.
joe rogan
Okay.
james mccann
I've seen shows like that on the History Channel a lot.
I don't know if I've seen that one.
joe rogan
Tim Kennedy was on it.
And they all went down to Argentina.
And one of the things you find in Argentina is like entire towns where people speak German.
Yeah.
unidentified
And so what Well, yeah, right?
joe rogan
Miss Looney's guys.
And so they found all these photographs of like SS soldiers on the walls in people's houses.
Like there was a television show about it.
james mccann
We have a German town in Australia where they say there's a pub with like Nazi stuff on the walls.
I've never seen it, but the Germans.
There's a Bavarian town where everyone's nice and relaxed and then there's like a Prussian town where people...
Also, sometimes you will go around to a German guy's house.
They've got an old German family.
And then you look over on the mantelpiece and there's a knife there.
It's a very special knife.
It's like, we can't get rid of it.
That's grandpa's knife.
joe rogan
The weird thing is like they have full towns down in Argentina that practice Oktoberfest.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
They put on the Lederhosen, the whole deal.
Like it's a German town.
james mccann
I think there's something about the black population disappeared.
I don't know if this is, I think it might be Argentina.
They had like a big black population and then over 100 years, people go, I don't know where they are anymore, but they're not here now.
And I think it coincides with, maybe it was before the Nazis got there.
But that's a weird, that's a weird rabbit hole.
There's not a lot about it.
joe rogan
There's so many rabbit holes.
james mccann
Some people say like they just integrated and.
joe rogan
And what?
Whitened up?
james mccann
Like it's kids after kids and you can't see it.
But like they had a big black population.
Am I right?
I need that one.
I don't want to just say that and have it swift.
joe rogan
I don't have to look that one up.
james mccann
But like it disappeared.
joe rogan
And this is Argentina?
james mccann
It could be Europe.
joe rogan
Black Genocide, the true history of the whitening of Argentina.
james mccann
Thank you, Travel Noir.
I've never heard of that website, but I assume it's a.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Today, many Argentini hold the erroneous belief that Argentina neither participated in the slave trade nor witnessed the presence of Afro-Argentinians as if they had left the country naturally.
Such misconceptions persist despite historical evidence.
Former Argentine President Carlos Menem once shockingly declared in Argentina, blacks do not exist.
That is a Brazilian problem.
james mccann
No one's bringing that up.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Less than two centuries ago, black individuals compromised over a third of Argentina's population in 1800.
james mccann
That seems like a question.
That seems like someone should find out what happened there.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
Holy shit, man.
The factors behind the disappearance.
Sudden and profound disappearance of black Africans from Argentina is attributed to a confluence of factors.
james mccann
The 1870s, though.
joe rogan
First is the war against Paraguay, spanning from 1865 to 1870.
Thousands of black individuals fought in the military during these conflicts and other wars, resulting in significant losses.
The fatalities led to a considerable gender gap within the African population, prompting unions between black women and white men, which effectively diluted the black populace.
In addition, many Afro-Argentines sought refuge in more welcoming political climates in neighboring Brazil and Uruguay.
james mccann
You don't lose a third of the population by accident by a bad one.
joe rogan
They're saying all of them.
There's no way these factors would make all of them go away.
Another devastating factor was the outbreak of yellow fever in Buenos Aires in 1871, which claimed the lives of numerous locals.
But still, wouldn't it be like proportion?
Here it is.
But many sources point to a far darker and more sinister force at work, a covert genocide orchestrated by Domingo Faustino Sarimento, who served as Argentina's president from 1868 to 1874 and played a pivotal role in decimating the Afro-Argentine population.
Okay, so it is a genocide.
james mccann
Yeah.
But this was about 100 years before I thought.
joe rogan
Wow.
james mccann
But then no one's going after Argentina for this.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't even know about it until America.
james mccann
Everyone goes about America's a racist country, their racist history.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
james mccann
Why is no one talking about Brazil's slavery?
Brazil had way more.
Brazil was like, I think they kept doing it for 20 years as well.
They were, it was huge.
And then everyone just acts like Brazil is a cool place to go by the beach and relax.
Maybe it is.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen The City of God?
james mccann
No.
joe rogan
City of God is about the favelas in Brazil, in Rio.
And it is, it makes, Eddie Bravo said this, that it makes Boys in the Hood looks like Sesame Street.
It really does.
Like, if you watch that movie, it's so violent and so crazy.
And apparently, when you talk to people from Brazil, particularly from the favelas, it's actually accurate.
Like, there were gangs of kids like this.
There were like young 10, 11-year-old kids committing murder every day.
They had guns, they were moving drugs and getting money and like young people.
james mccann
What changed it around?
unidentified
They still have it.
joe rogan
Still an issue.
I mean, they've done their best to try to like, you know, the soldiers will do raids into the favelas at times, especially when someone does something crazy.
james mccann
I know I was saying positive things about slums before.
There's negative things to having slums as well.
I would just like there to be more housing.
joe rogan
Yeah, housing would be good, but good housing would be better.
And there's enough money.
There's enough money to do that.
It's like you just have to, we have to prioritize what are we spending money on?
james mccann
I mean, we shut Australia down for like two years.
No one was doing anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, you guys went nuts.
james mccann
If you ever lead the world in something bad, that's, I think, a bad sign.
Once you have the longest lockdown.
joe rogan
What is it about Australians as a culture that allowed them to be kind of ordered around like?
james mccann
We'd love rules.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
james mccann
I think about this a lot.
I mean, like driving in America feels wild and free.
Like no one's doing the speed limit.
If you do the speed limit on the freeway, it feels way more dangerous than going five over.
We have cameras everywhere.
If you go one, two miles over the speed limit in Australia, you get a fine.
They've recorded you.
And we don't push back.
I have no idea why other than because people don't like it.
Overall, people don't want to go through the bureaucracy.
But maybe there's no, we have no like animating sense of freedom that people should be free.
It's like, I think if the motto here is, don't tread on me, we've got pull your fucking head in.
You hear that quite a lot.
joe rogan
Pull your head in.
james mccann
Pull your head in.
What's that mean?
What are you fucking doing?
Pull your fucking head in.
Like, get in line.
Go with the flow.
Do what you're meant to do.
And for a while, I guess we were also prosperous for a long time.
And that worked.
If you just laid low and you did what you know, you went to school, you went to uni, the government's going to pay for you, uni.
You get a nice job.
You'll get a big, beautiful suburban family home.
Don't buck the system.
You don't have to do anything crazy.
And as that falls apart now, which is falling apart quickly.
Rent's out of control.
The inflation's so much worse.
The immigration is like, it's silly.
Like, we're not building houses in line with that.
And so it's like, a lot of comics are moving overseas.
Like in a way that no one moved overseas.
For the first 10 years I was doing comedy, I think a couple guys went to the UK and that was it.
And now Aaron Chen's here, Blake Freeman's here, Amos Gill's here.
joe rogan
What do you think is the big motivator to what was the biggest thing that was a problem over there?
james mccann
Post-COVID, I mean, COVID was, COVID radicalized a lot of people.
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
Just the kind of control they put down on you guys?
james mccann
It was, and then the, I mean, there's so much opportunity here.
People keep saying the cost of living is going up in America, and it is, but it's like still, it's wacky that eggs are only 370 or something.
That's so cheap for eggs for us.
joe rogan
Really?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much are eggs over there?
james mccann
More.
Substantial.
joe rogan
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how much?
Give me.
james mccann
I don't know.
I'm buying free-range eggs because my wife insists on it.
But still, I think if you did like a milk-to-milk, egg-to-egg, you'd dominate.
joe rogan
Interesting.
james mccann
America has so far to go before it gets to be a revolutionary.
14 a dozen.
joe rogan
Whoa.
14 bucks a dozen you guys pay for eggs?
That's crazy.
james mccann
Oh, man.
If you've got coals and wool, I mean, the dollar's a bit different.
joe rogan
So there's less opportunity.
Things are more expensive.
james mccann
And also, there's, I mean...
You got locked in your house for, I mean, it was literally in Melbourne.
We were in Melbourne when it kicked off.
My wife and I, and we had a newborn child, and she was pregnant with the next one.
And they said, we're locking everyone down for six weeks.
You can't leave your house.
And it was, we had better, not better, we had like stronger state-by-state regulation.
So if you moved back, we were from Adelaide in South Australia.
They said it was two weeks if you came from interstate.
So we just drove all night and got out, but then watched his people.
It's like a 300-day lockdown.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
james mccann
You couldn't do, it was one of the only places you could do shows was in Adelaide.
We did have a lot of people.
I like Josh Zepps.
He seems great.
I saw him on here about the, I think you confronted him about the concentration camps.
And it's like, yeah, we had camps where we concentrated people.
I don't know what else you meant to call that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, we had a disagreement, too, about myocarditis.
And it was interesting.
It's like you would get all these different, now it's like firmly established as a higher risk of myocarditis for young people that took it.
But back then, it was really confusing.
And I was like, why did I read articles that said it was a higher risk?
And then he brought one up that said there was more of a risk of getting myocarditis from COVID itself, which really didn't make any sense even in the argument because back then we didn't know that it not only doesn't protect you from getting the virus, it doesn't even protect you from spreading the virus.
So you still get it.
So you still have a chance if that's true.
But it turns out when I talked to Dr. Massim Asim Mahatra, who is a part of this whole Maha thing too, and he was another doctor that was initially pro-vaccine and eventually just realized there was a bunch of horseshit going on with all of it.
He said that's not what they measured.
They were measuring troponin levels.
They were measuring like what happens when you get sick and that those levels are higher in a viral infection.
And he was saying that that's not indicative of what true myocarditis is, which is an enlarging of the heart and a scarring of the heart tissue.
It's like it's a different thing they're looking for.
They're elevating the number of people that are getting it from COVID by doing it this way.
He was saying.
james mccann
Oh, I can see why you, like, it's hard to lose trust in the establishment.
Like, you want to believe that the people running the medical side of things and who are setting all the rules have your interests at heart and you should listen to them.
joe rogan
Especially if you're in certain social circles, right?
So, if you're in certain social circles where people are very pro-science and very logical and rational, and they are all in agreement of one thing, you don't want to be cast out of that social circle.
You don't want to be thought of as being a fool.
And so, you don't want to have any opinion that's opposing what is this consensus narrative amongst these people.
james mccann
It's also, I mean, it's nice to be in that group because you get to live in a world where the government cares about you and they know what they're doing, and this politician in a suit.
unidentified
Like, there was a new one.
james mccann
The realm for personal expression of politicians was tiny for a long time because it was, you know, that's what you want.
Trump's blown this up, but I remember like Howard Dean did a weird scream, and his career was over.
That's what it took back in the day to ruin your candidacy.
Yeah, well, how about they had to keep that illusion going that, like, these are very competent people who will not make a weird noise at the wrong time.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
That was all they would need to latch onto, and then they would like throw it in everybody's face.
It would be all over the news, and it would be over.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was no internet.
james mccann
I mean, isn't that a nice world to...
Like that 50s world of like, ah, you can, we've got a man in a white coat, and he knows what's up.
You don't have to do all the, it's taxing to try and figure out how disease works.
joe rogan
Oh, it's, yeah, it's not fun.
It's not fun to not trust anyone and always want to read like hundreds of different articles on any complex subject to try to get an understanding of who's telling the truth and who's not.
It's a pain in the ass.
james mccann
And the cost for getting it wrong is in all.
Like if you get 19 things right and one thing wrong, they just go, you're a fucking idiot.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
Yeah.
But I think the key is like you have to say why you got it wrong and then express yourself.
Like I get things wrong, but I'll tell you why I got it wrong and then I won't lie and I'll tell you what I know now.
So if I know now that something's different than what I thought, I definitely always say it.
And I always say, I was wrong about this and this is why.
I like to get it out.
You got to get it out because it's important.
Like the whole thing is we're trying to figure out what the fuck is actually going on.
And when you're looking if you're looking at really complex – like, you get into something like the Kennedy assassination, which is one of the big ones in this country, because a lot of people are like, "Oh, let it go.
Let it go." And then there's a lot of other people go, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And they've evolved.
And anything that's alive, that's still a part of the systems are all still there.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure, they're just way better at doing that.
And they've learned how to not use a magic bullet and, you know, not fucking, you know, the grassy knoll and not kill all the witnesses.
You know, they learned how to do stuff.
unidentified
Some of them get a lot better.
james mccann
So it's like, so Jack Ruby kills, I'm going to get a lot of this wrong.
joe rogan
Lee Harvey Oswald.
james mccann
Jack Kennedy kills him.
joe rogan
We have a photo of it right out there right the moment he's shooting.
james mccann
But then when he's under arrest, there are like two journalists who come and interview him.
And I think one of them kills him.
joe rogan
I'm like Jolly West.
Jolly West, the head of the FK Ultra program.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jolly West visits him and he goes insane.
He'd never had any history of mental illness.
Jolly West sees him.
He sees Jews burning in hell and he's going crazy.
He's hype because he was a Jewish man.
So he thought they were coming for him.
He's hiding underneath the fucking bench.
He's screaming.
He went completely.
They dosed him with acid, man.
This is the MK Ultra people did this.
james mccann
I think a journalist who talked to him before he died got killed by some sort of gay karate chop.
A gay karate chop.
It was like a gay journalist, and then he took a man in the ass.
joe rogan
You chop him in the ass.
james mccann
I think he took a man home for a sexual encounter, and then he was karate chopped to death.
I think that's the official explanation.
joe rogan
It's a very rare thing to karate chop a man to death.
That's a weird choice.
james mccann
It was the 60s.
It was cool when it was karate chop somebody.
joe rogan
Why did they know it was a karate chop unless they have a video?
james mccann
I think that's the medical examiner said.
joe rogan
Oh.
james mccann
Karate chop.
joe rogan
Okay, that medical examiner doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.
He probably just stomped him.
james mccann
Well, do you think...
The Manson.
joe rogan
Yes.
james mccann
He was dosed with some sort of.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
And I'm sorry if you've heard this before, ladies and gentlemen, but the book Chaos by Tom O'Neill is amazing.
Amazing.
He's Greg Fitzsimmons' old neighbor.
So Greg, who's at the mothership this weekend, who's awesome, one of my best friends.
And I've been friends with, I started doing comedy with him one week apart when we did Open Mike Knight.
james mccann
Is he a Boston guy's will?
joe rogan
Yes.
Known him forever.
He's awesome.
So he, and hilarious comic, too, but I think it's all sold out.
But he was next door to this guy.
And this guy was a journalist, super nice guy.
They became friends.
And he's saying, I'm writing this thing about Manson.
It was supposed to be for a magazine.
It was supposed to be like 25th anniversary of the Manson family killings.
But he starts finding all these inconsistencies, and he keeps going further and further down the rabbit trap.
And he thinks the prosecutor's full of shit, and there's some sort of a connection to the government.
He's like, what the fuck is going on here?
So he doesn't meet the deadline.
So he keeps going.
And so then he gets a book deal.
And it's going on and on and on and on and on.
For 20 fucking years.
For 20 years, this guy studies nothing but the Manson case.
He's got stacks and boxes.
He's been interviewing people.
And then he puts together this book with help.
He had to get someone to help him organize it because he was so deep in the weeds.
He's got enough for another book.
I mean, a pure obsessive, but a brilliant guy.
And this book, Chaos, it outlines all of the MKUltra involvement in the Manson family and all the different things that they were doing at the time with the CIA mind control experiments.
So they were running brothels.
james mccann
Which they did definitely seem to have.
joe rogan
100%.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
All 100% real.
jamie vernon
What do you know about this lady?
joe rogan
Dorothy Kilgallen, reporter cloaked in controversy.
jamie vernon
I'd say read this.
joe rogan
Okay, Dorothy Kilgallen is best known for her column, The Voice of Broadway, in the New York Evening Journal, which was published in over 140 papers, and for her role as the game show panelist of the 1950s television program, What's My Line?
She was hailed by the post as being the most powerful female voice in America.
Kilgallen spent a vast majority of her career cloaked in controversy, most notably surrounding her investigative work into the John F. Kennedy assassination.
As a longtime skeptic of the Warren Commission, a study conducted by the United States government into who killed JFK, as well as who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, well, we know who killed Lee Harvey Oswald.
JFK's supposed assassin, Kilgallen, dove deep into the controversy.
Some may even argue too deep.
Kilgallen was under suspicion that Oswald did not commit his crimes alone and published several articles reflecting this belief.
Jack Ruby, who allegedly killed Lee Harvey Oswald on November 24, 1963, was only interviewed by one reporter throughout the trial, Dorothy Kilgallen.
Since her interview with Ruby, many noted that Kilgallen carried a file with her at all times.
It remained under lock and key when not physically in her hands, according to those close to her.
Kilgallen's file continued to grow throughout the investigation.
In a conversation with her lawyer, Jim Garrison, prior to, that's the guy who prosecuted, that was in the movie, Kevin Costner played him in the JFK movie.
Prior to a trip to New Orleans with Dorothy later inexplicably canceled, he remembers her saying, I'm going to break the real story and have the biggest scoop of the century.
Kill Gallen's first trip to New Orleans was planned two weeks prior to her death when her husband, Richard Colmar, found her with files missing by her hairdresser in a bedroom she never slept in, dressed in clothes she would never wear to bed, reading a book she had finished and disliked, wearing glasses she didn't need for reading.
Initial autopsy report, a Brooklyn medical office as opposed to the office in Manhattan where she lived, found her cause of death to be a lethal combination of alcohol and barbituits.
The report later amended to note that the barbituate originally found seccanol, a sleeping pill for which she had been prescribed, was in fact a combination of tuinol and nembutol, which she did not have access to.
Although her death was eventually ruled a suicide, Kilgallen's husband noted that when she returned from a taping of What's My Line earlier that evening, she appeared chipper.
james mccann
Well, a lot of people do seem chipper before they go to the station.
joe rogan
They decided.
Yeah, a researcher by the name of Mark Shaw, who investigated Kilgallen's death, found that she was under surveillance by the FBI through the Freedom of Information Act.
Friends of Kilgallen recall her expressing fear for her life leading up to her death, and she supposedly even purchased a gun, a rather uncharacteristic thing for her.
Yeah, they whacked her.
Yeah, they whacked her.
james mccann
Yeah, they've got a finished release.
joe rogan
In a recent release of the JFK files on October 26, 2017, a file entitled Dorothy Kilgallen by Richard Nixon was released, but its contents remain sealed due to reasons of national security.
They whacked her.
james mccann
Yeah, was there a gay karate chop or did I make that up?
jamie vernon
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
They whacked her.
They whacked her.
james mccann
It seems likely.
joe rogan
Yeah, she was digging into the investigation.
Look, you know, when you talk to, like, I talked to Oliver Stone about it multiple times, and Oliver Stone, despite his advanced age, is still brilliant.
And his recall is incredible.
His recall and the assassination.
He's obsessed with that assassination.
So he can tell you who was involved and who did this and Alan Dulles and this and that.
And the Warren Commission report.
And then it goes back.
The rabbit hole just goes so deep.
It goes all the way.
It goes all the way to Richard Nixon because it goes all the way to Gerald Ford, who was on the Warren Commission's report.
And when they kicked Spiro Agnew out, they got Spiro Agnew on corruption.
They kicked him out.
They put in Gerald Ford.
Then they kicked Richard Nixon out with the Watergate thing, which I always thought was Richard Nixon got caught being a crook.
james mccann
He was not a crook.
joe rogan
It was an intelligence agency plot.
The whole thing was Tucker Carlson lays it out.
james mccann
Yeah.
The Nixon reputation is starting to come back.
joe rogan
Well, you know.
james mccann
People are starting to love Nixon again.
joe rogan
There's a lot of stuff that he did that's not good.
Jim Coathy decided to write a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
However, he died on the 21st of September 1964.
james mccann
Oh, there you go.
joe rogan
And see that a man broke into his Dallas apartment and killed him by a karate chop to the throat.
james mccann
That could happen to anybody.
That's a real thing that happens all the time.
joe rogan
This is the thing.
How do they know they didn't just strangle him to the throat?
Like, if you have damage to your throat, if you don't see the guy karate chopping him.
james mccann
Well, it does seem like a weird flourish for the secret police to put out there.
joe rogan
But that's like one of those things that you would say.
Kothy just, oh, it seemed like a man broke in his apartment.
Tom Howard died of a heart attack, age 48 in 1965.
Who's Tom Howard?
Oh.
jamie vernon
Attorney.
joe rogan
Oh, his attorney.
Okay.
jamie vernon
They're both visiting Jack Ruby in jail.
joe rogan
Okay.
And they both died.
They definitely could give you a heart attack.
They definitely could give you a heart attack.
jamie vernon
And they also searched his apartment.
joe rogan
The karate chop doesn't.
james mccann
Karate Chop doesn't.
I really always held on to karate chop.
That's the one detail that really stayed with me through the day.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
You can't tell.
I've seen so many guys get beat up, and you can never tell what hit them.
james mccann
It could have been a very long bruise across the throat, a big forearm.
joe rogan
Shin.
Shin to the neck.
Easy.
james mccann
People didn't have that sort of kicking at Billy.
Sure, in the West at that time.
joe rogan
Sure, some people did.
Yeah, there was people that trained, like an assassin.
If you were going to be an assassin, you would learn Muay Thai.
There was like legit Muay Thai group.
james mccann
You could also have a knife.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
But if you wanted to make it look like it was like a...
james mccann
That was a bachelor flat.
Is that why I thought it was some sort of...
joe rogan
Apparently the result of a karate chop.
You know, I'm suspicious.
I think they probably thought of it as a karate chop because this is how people thought back then.
But I would imagine that was like a baton on the neck where you choke a guy to death.
james mccann
There was a time, I know in Austin Powers, karate chop is like a cool thing.
Early 60s, people just fan ahead about karate.
jamie vernon
The other guy was accidentally shot by the police a few hours before we got to the bottom.
james mccann
That can happen.
That can happen.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, man.
unidentified
When you read stories like this, like if you're not a conspiracy theorist, Karate chop's the only thing that drew me in.
james mccann
I was happily signing up with the rest of the official narrative.
joe rogan
Dude, I've seen a lot of guys get karate chopped in the neck.
james mccann
They're all fine?
joe rogan
None of them died.
unidentified
My dad is like a big...
james mccann
My dad really, like, he really believes the JFK assassination happened the way they said it did.
And he made a whole trip of it to Dallas and he went up to the building.
He was like, he could have done it.
He could have done it from here.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
james mccann
So I've never really dug into it.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
He could have shot JFK in the head from the book depository.
Anybody who says any different has never Shot a rifle, it wasn't that far.
It was, I think, it was 140 yards.
If you have a scope and you have an accurate rifle, 140 yards is not a long shot.
And if you have practiced and you know how it's going to go down and you're prepared, you're going to know exactly where he's going to be.
You're going to have the crosshair on him.
You pull the trigger, you hit him in the head.
And you might be able to get off a couple of shots.
And some people have been able to recreate the three shots.
And they think that he got off three shots.
And that's impossible.
james mccann
They recreate it?
joe rogan
Yeah, people have done it.
unidentified
They like closed down Central Dallas and Dr. Dr. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
They shot off three rounds from a Carkano rifle in that same period of time.
They didn't do it there.
But they did it.
It showed, look, you can shoot three times in the amount of time that it took you to drive.
james mccann
But this is the problem with any conspiracy theories that like...
There are a bunch of things that don't.
There are like a thousand conspiracy theories about JFK.
Some of them are nuts, but then some of them hold up.
joe rogan
It was my point, though, is that that is undeniable.
But it's also undeniable there was a lot of people that reported that they heard gunshots from the grassy knoll.
There's also the whole magic bullet theory, which is total horseshit.
That's the most horseshit theory that's ever been promoted.
unidentified
That there was like an ice bullet that dissolved inside of...
joe rogan
One bullet caused a whole ton of injuries.
unidentified
What a zipped around.
joe rogan
No, this is what they had to do.
Okay.
There was a guy that got shot in the underpass.
Yes.
So there was an underpass and a ricochet hit the granite, the curbstone, and he got hit in the head.
So he got fucked up and he had to go to the hospital.
And then they found the impact and they found the bullet.
So they knew that this accounted for one of the shots that it missed.
So then they had to account for two different entry holes on Kennedy and entry hole in Connolly.
So Connolly was shot in the wrist and in the thigh as well.
So you had to say that one bullet did all this damage in both people and then there was the headshot.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you have the third bullet.
So they came up with one wacky theory and they found this bullet in pristine condition on the gurney when they went to visit in the hospital.
So when they had JFK's gurney in the hospital, they magically found this pristine bullet.
james mccann
This is like when the passports fall out of the plane on 9-11.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Almost as ridiculous.
But this one is so ridiculous because you have the physical evidence of the bullet, which is impossible.
It's impossible for a bullet to shatter bone, go through two different people, leave more residue, like more bullet fragments were in Connolly's wrist than were missing from the bullet.
That bullet.
That bullet supposedly went through two different people, shattered bone on both of them.
james mccann
That's a special bullet.
joe rogan
As a person who's shot guns before, that's horseshit.
That's not what happens when a bullet hits bone.
So it's supposed to have gone through his back.
james mccann
This is the official bullet.
joe rogan
It sits out his tie hole.
Yeah, like right where his tie knot is, goes into Connolly's wrist and then goes into his thigh, shatters his wrist, leaves fragments in his wrist, the wound left in the thigh, and then they find this magical, perfect bullet, pristine condition on the gurney in the hospital.
james mccann
I mean, it seems weird.
joe rogan
Was it Connolly's gurney that they found it on or JFKs?
I might have might have got it wrong.
It might have been Connolly's Gurney that they found the bullet on.
But either way, listen to me.
Shut the fuck up.
james mccann
No, look, I usually stop at this point because I don't want it to happen.
joe rogan
Anybody who says that's what happened, shut the fuck up.
Then there's also the problem of the bullet hole in his neck.
Now, they're trying to attribute that as an exit wound.
But the thing is, there's two different autopsies.
The autopsy from Dallas, and then there was the autopsy from Bethesda, Maryland.
And the discrepancy was the one at Bethesda, Maryland, I believe, called it a tracheotomy scar or tracheotomy cut.
So like they opened him up to put a trach in.
The only reason why they would do that is they don't want to attribute that to a bullet that hit him in the front of the neck.
I think there was a bunch of different people that were trying to figure out how do we make it so that it was only this one guy.
And Lee Harvey Oswald might have pulled the trigger.
He might have been part of it.
james mccann
He does kill the policeman later, right?
joe rogan
I believe so.
I believe most people believe he did that.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And well, he already knew that he was on the run at that point in time, right?
And then when he gets arrested, he says, I'm a Patsy.
I'm a Patsy.
Okay.
Maybe.
Maybe he was involved.
Maybe he didn't pull the trigger.
Maybe somebody else who was a real expert marksman.
Because he wasn't that good.
People say he wasn't a good marksman, but let me tell you something.
james mccann
If he had been, he was like downgraded to mass.
joe rogan
But here's the thing about shooting rifles.
When you're talking about like 500 yards, you're talking about really long shots where you're required to be prone and lay perfectly still.
Yes.
I would say you really want to be an elite marksman to do that.
And there's a lot of technique involved in training.
And they're very meticulous about their preparation, their breath work.
And it's like a very intense thing because you can't move at all.
You have to be like so precise.
But 140 yards is not far.
It's not that far.
james mccann
That's like with the Trump thing, they said a child could have done it.
joe rogan
If he had a scope.
That kid didn't have a scope.
See, the Trump thing was fucked because that guy was using iron sights.
So iron sights are, it's like standard.
You can adjust them slightly, but like towards your side, closer to the shooter, there are two posts, and at the end, there's one post.
And the scoop from the upper post, it lines in.
He did have a scope.
Oh, so why did they say that he didn't forever?
unidentified
I don't know.
jamie vernon
I mean, it was down here.
joe rogan
But there was a photograph of it.
jamie vernon
So this photo down the corner with my cursor doesn't have a scope?
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
This is from the FBI.
joe rogan
Okay.
But here's the thing.
I'm pretty sure there was a photograph of it laying on the roof and it didn't have a scope.
And this is why, and this is not my theory.
This is all the people that I know that are in the tactical world that have talked to me about this.
They were saying that he had iron sights.
See if you can find it if they show a photo of the actual rifle.
james mccann
And then there's just nothing about this that's come out since then.
joe rogan
So if he had a scope that's even crazier that he missed, because that's a chip shot.
It's not a hard shot.
You're 140 yards.
You have an accurate rifle.
So let's see.
Scoom bit on that?
It kind of does look like he has a scope.
Go back to that again?
jamie vernon
A lot of these pictures from the just talking of it, though, are using a picture of a gun without a scope to confuse people.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell.
Interesting.
Okay, so it's hard to tell, but go to the top one again and make that larger.
jamie vernon
It's like this one?
joe rogan
No, the one that's on the right-hand side?
That makes it larger.
jamie vernon
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay, that looks a little bit like a scope to me.
There's something above the barrel at the middle point of the gun.
It doesn't look flat.
It looks like there might be a scope.
Okay, which is even crazier that he missed then because this guy is shooting from a very close distance, but he probably fucking panicked.
He's a 20-year-old.
james mccann
But he turns his head just at the right.
It's the miraculous.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the thing is, that's not an expert marksman.
He did train a lot, though.
That was the other thing.
Like, there's a lot of people that trained in firearms with that kid.
So they knew that someone either told him to do that or he was preparing by himself to do that.
james mccann
Why does nothing come out about it?
joe rogan
Bro.
james mccann
You would think.
joe rogan
Because I think that MK Ultra shit keeps going.
I think it's like that Aerosmith song.
Train kept a rolling all night long.
I think it just keeps going.
I don't think they stopped.
I think someone, whether it's our government or another government or some giant business interest, someone probably talked that kid into doing that, gave him the resources.
He had five different phones.
Oh man, his entire, There was no silverware in his home when they searched his home.
james mccann
I mean, it's weird that there wasn't more.
I know there was like a guy at the golf course and there was like a third guy maybe.
But the temperature in the country at that time was no one was like actively coming out and begging.
The Dems weren't coming out and saying, someone's got to kill this guy.
But they were going, this is insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it might not just be the Dems.
This is what you have to understand.
It's probably business interests.
If you're in another country, okay, and this guy's actively campaigning, saying that he's going to raise tariffs and he's going to call, we're going to make China pay, we're going to make Russia pay, everyone's going to pay.
If you're in some military-controlled country that's going to lose trillions of dollars because this guy's going to make everybody pay, you might hire someone to do something.
james mccann
Well, this is why he goes Vance immediately out.
This is the theory.
What I put together is the theory.
Someone else must have done it, but you pick someone who seems scarier than you, right?
You go, well, if you kill me, you get him.
joe rogan
You think Vance is scary?
james mccann
I think at the time, he seemed like the furthest right protectionist candidate that Trump could have picked from on the VP list.
joe rogan
I don't think he really is, though.
james mccann
I don't know what he is.
joe rogan
He's pretty reasonable when you have a real conversation with him.
He's definitely conservative.
He's pretty reasonable, but he's also like a no-nonsense, no-bullshit guy who is not, he doesn't lack in compassion.
james mccann
But he was the, like, he was not the easiest.
joe rogan
He's young.
james mccann
Electorally, there were other people he could have gone with who would have been.
joe rogan
He's young.
He's very religious.
You know, there's a lot of aspects of that that make people uncomfortable.
The young one is pretty big.
People don't want some young guy being the fucking president of the world.
james mccann
When was the last time it was like Kennedy Roosevelt?
Kennedy was what?
He was like late 40s?
But he'd also been around.
He was a known commodity.
joe rogan
He was handsome.
james mccann
He'd been in it for a long time.
joe rogan
He was handsome.
He's pretty young.
He didn't look like an old leader.
He didn't look like Eisenhower.
You know what I mean?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
He didn't look like Ronald Reagan.
james mccann
But he'd been to the war.
And that added.
Have you been to the Fredericksburg Pacific War Museum?
joe rogan
No.
james mccann
It's great.
It's a two-hour drive.
It's tremendous.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
But like they have a they have a mural out back for all the presidents since that war.
And everyone's in World War II.
Like that's the, it's not that America's looking for an old guy.
It's like who it's everyone is somehow until like Clinton, everyone is a World War II van.
joe rogan
Well, you can think back then, everybody signed up for the war.
Yeah.
james mccann
But generationally, America didn't want to move on from the World War II guys.
That was like a comforting.
joe rogan
Right.
But it was also World War II was the last just war in their eyes.
Like we had to defeat the Nazis.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, we had to stop the takeover of evil in the world.
And then you got to the Vietnam War and it's like, wait, what's going on here?
This is not.
james mccann
Korea seems more clean cut.
joe rogan
But Korea is also, North Korea is fighting South Korea.
North Korea is communist.
james mccann
But it doesn't have the same light.
Korea doesn't occupy the same.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't have the same spot in people's heads.
james mccann
And then really, it's not one war that everyone's getting behind after that.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, there's not one.
And, you know, most people are real down on a war right now for good reasons.
You know, it's like, are we fucking for real still doing this?
You know, and this was one of the things that Trump campaigned on, is no more wars.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that scares the shit out of people.
You know, because then right away we're involved in this Iran thing.
Like, okay.
But, you know.
james mccann
I'm so easily taken in.
Like, I was terrified.
I was like, oh, I don't want to be a war.
This is terrible.
And then as soon as the bombs are dropped and Trump comes out and goes, we're very strong.
I'm like, oh.
It's so easy to get whipped up into a fervor.
joe rogan
There's some truth to that, right?
And there's some truth to maybe it wouldn't be the best thing in the world if they developed a nuclear program and had nuclear weapons and used them on Israel.
But then, you know, you say, well, were they really close to doing that?
Well, then you find out that Netanyahu has been saying they've been close to doing that.
james mccann
For like 15 years, and Tulsi's saying they have no information on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the thing is, like, what do we know?
You know, if they don't let inspectors in, what do we know?
james mccann
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, I think it's good for America to have to pull together over something.
james mccann
Someone sent me the, like that Reagan, towards the end of his term, just kept giving speeches about how he wanted there to be an alien invasion.
joe rogan
Yes.
james mccann
And he said, if only there was some alien force that we could all get together against the aliens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
But it is, that Seems like America's ready for that.
Some coming together.
I can see that if you were in charge and you wanted to have civil unity, you would want there to be something like a war to pull people back together.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of value in having no civil unity.
I think there's a lot of value in keeping us at each other's throats.
This is what I always try to tell people.
Most of us are in the middle.
Most of us, especially after you get to a certain age, you realize a lot of fucking things that people do, it's because, you know, they're allowed to do it and it's stupid and it fucks their life up and maybe you should get your shit together.
Also, there's a lot of poor people that need help.
And the idea that you're going to cut that off from them is kind of fucked up and uncharitable and un-American.
But also, there's people that take advantage of those programs and they stay in them forever and it kind of fucks up the whole community.
And that's true too.
Okay, so how do you set the standards?
And what do you do?
But most people, socially, are very much in the middle.
Like, most people want gay rights and civil rights and women's rights and trans rights.
We want rights.
We want everybody to be free.
unidentified
We want everybody to have rights here.
joe rogan
But rights are.
james mccann
That's how you get something because you just chuck the word rights on something.
joe rogan
Rights are important.
james mccann
Like people say abortion rights and then people say gun rights.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
That's how you know if the media is in favor of that thing or not.
When I was coming up, if they say rights, then they go, this should be.
Like abortion rights were confected in Roe v.
Wade.
They just, it didn't exist beforehand.
They said there was a, I mean, maybe people can pass that.
People can legislatively have abortion on the books, but that's not what happened.
The Supreme Court just said, we infer that there's a right to privacy somewhere in the Constitution.
We're not going to be clear about where that is.
And so the judiciary can just make it happen.
joe rogan
Well, that's how it got overturned, right?
james mccann
Yeah, because what can be done by the judiciary can be overturned by the judiciary.
But there's heaps of stuff in America that just like the Supreme Court decided it was going to happen.
No one came in it.
Like gay marriage was just a Supreme Court thing.
joe rogan
I think that's kind of also the will of the people.
Like most people are like, let them be married.
Like, what's the problem?
Like, how does that fuck with your life?
james mccann
But like, California votes it in and then votes it out again, right?
joe rogan
Well, here's what's hilarious.
Up until 2013, Hillary Clinton was openly stating.
I don't think Barack Obama.
james mccann
I think he said he was against it for the first time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think it was 2013 where Hillary finally said she was in favor of gay marriage.
But they used to always, like, have you ever seen those videos of Hillary being more MAGA than Trump about the border?
james mccann
I believe it.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
She would be queen MAGA.
She would have a diamond-encrusted Make America Great Again hat.
She would be the president if she was running today.
And I'm not bullshitting.
I am not.
james mccann
I think there was.
joe rogan
I'm 100% not bullshitting.
james mccann
I think it's a Sam Talent bit where I don't know if he's still doing it, but he was going like, if Kamala had come out and said the word retarded, she would have won.
That's all she had to do.
joe rogan
Sam Talent's funny.
james mccann
But he...
Yeah, there was...
Like, the progressive wing takes over.
The work thing happens at some point.
But like Biden was at saying, super predators?
joe rogan
Bro, the Democrats were the ones who wanted to keep slavery.
james mccann
Some of them.
The Southern Democrats.
joe rogan
But understand.
james mccann
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That the Republicans are the ones that were trying to free the slaves.
It's like things just get weird and get reversed.
So now the Democrats are anti-free speech if it's hate speech and disinformation and misinformation and malinformation.
james mccann
All right.
This is the Castro speech that we're going to be talking about.
joe rogan
That makes me feel good.
james mccann
This is Castro.
So they ban it.
The revolution takes over in Cuba.
They ban a film.
They haven't had to ban a film up to that point, but they banned the first film.
And Castro comes and gives like a two-hour speech to the intellectuals explaining why they're going to start banning movies.
joe rogan
What was the film?
james mccann
It was called PM.
It was just a film about poor black people having a good time.
It doesn't seem like there's a lot of political content in the movie.
But he gives this like, it's this long, beautiful, like two, 3,000 words up the top going, I'm listening to you and you're listening to me.
And isn't that great that we have a conversation?
And then just out of nowhere, he goes, the revolution's in control and your freedoms are not.
You don't have a right to make whatever film you want.
We're going to decide.
And people are clapping and going for it.
But if you like, if you take revolution and sub that out for progress or safety or anti-racism, people would totally get behind that.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And this is what everyone who's been sounding the horn, you know, including guys like Konstantin Kisson from Trigonometry and Jordan Peterson and people that understand the history of Marxism.
They're like, this is how it always comes.
It comes in the guise of doing the greater good for the people and letting the state control things.
This is what happened in North Korea.
That's how they all lost their farms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They come in and then they centralize power and then everybody has to shut the fuck up because that's how people operate.
james mccann
I think from a, like if you have a materialist worldview of the universe, that makes sense.
I can see how you would get there.
Like it's a weird thing to say God has given you a right to express yourself and to hang out with who you want.
This is why it has to be in the declaration.
It's either in the declaration or the constitution, but like these are God-given rights and they're self-evident.
Because if you were designing a utopia, which is what every revolutionary wants to do, you're saying we're fixing society, we're fixing human nature.
There's nothing that would intrinsically make you say people have a right to say whatever they want.
Like that has to come from somewhere.
That's like a, It used to come from suppression.
But then as soon as they have a revolution, they take that away.
You use the weapon of your master.
The revolutionaries, having been under Batista and oppressed and not allowed to say what they want, they come to power and they go, yeah, we're going to be doing that now.
That's what the guy in power gets to do.
But to say the state is ceding that, this is like a beautiful, strange mystical outside world.
joe rogan
Yes, this is.
But isn't there a difference between taking over an existing country like Cuba that had been around for a long time?
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
A communist regime taking over versus the establishment of a place like the United States, which is an exercise, like an experiment, really, in self-government that never been achieved before.
And it's not a coincidence that it's the newest country in terms of like superpowers, and yet it's the one that's achieved the most in terms of cultural impact, artistic impact, intellectual impact.
It's a hard argument that the United States hasn't achieved more than anybody.
I mean, the fucking nuclear bomb was created here.
You know, shut your mouth, right?
So allegedly we went to the moon.
james mccann
I don't think we did.
joe rogan
But allegedly we went to the moon.
james mccann
Are you back on the moon?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't think we did.
joe rogan
but you know, also a lot of assassinations, a lot of like overturning governments in other countries, a lot of shit.
Yeah.
It's not good.
But the point is, like, this is the most free place and the most shit gets done.
james mccann
I mean, I don't disagree with that at all.
joe rogan
And I think this is the progress that the human civilization goes through.
It realizes that suppression ultimately is bad for everybody.
It's bad for GDP, bad for like, it's bad for patriotism.
It's bad for everything.
It's bad for people's appreciation of each other.
It's hard to govern when people are fucking angry.
And then the breakoff civilizations always seek more freedom.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I think we've got to try one more time with Greenland.
james mccann
Give it a go.
joe rogan
I think if Trump takes Greenland and global warming is real, that's the spot.
james mccann
Well, Canada might have to become a state, and then there's a lot of good land up there.
joe rogan
I have a friend who went up to Greenland and went stag hunting or caribou hunting.
They hunt caribou in Greenland.
It was beautiful, man.
The area they were at was fucking gorgeous.
It was incredible.
There's like these insane hills and these herd of caribou come through.
And there's just so many caribou.
It's so beautiful.
Yeah.
It's so clean.
They're camping.
james mccann
They're sleeping in a bunch of people.
They're like a Chick-fil-A up there.
joe rogan
No, fuck it.
james mccann
Get a freeway in a Chick-fil-A?
joe rogan
You ever have caribou?
unidentified
No, I can't compete with Chick-fil-A.
james mccann
I don't know.
I've never had caribou.
Hold on, I want to go back.
This thing of like, yeah, America's done a great deal.
It's very free.
But the rate of change in the culture is also unparalleled.
Like, you look at the Egyptians and they're doing the same pictures for thousands of years.
The feet all point in the same way and we don't mess with the artistic style.
Like the medieval era, there's a homogeneity through time and a culture that gets passed on.
If you look at America over the last 70 years, it's wacky.
Like, a couple nights ago, I was watching the number one song in America consecutively on YouTube.
So they play 20 seconds from that number one song and then the next number one song.
And early on, it's all like guys in suits going, my baby, she's so beautiful.
I love her.
I'm going to take her to a dance.
And then by the end, it's like, you know, I'm going to fist your ass and kill someone with my rifle.
Like it's, there's a huge shift.
Like all the institutions are ostensibly the same.
The way people vote, the way people go to school, the actual culture that's inhabiting all those things is like radically changing all the time.
joe rogan
All the time.
Yeah.
And there's a bunch of different factors, right?
So you have the 1950s factor, you know, which was like Elvis on television and Buddy Holly and all these people.
james mccann
And then the drugs come in.
joe rogan
And then the drugs come in.
And so they were probably doing drugs back then too, but just probably not the good ones.
And then the 1960s, psychedelics.
So the 1960s, you get Hendrix.
You know, you get the Doors.
james mccann
You get when the Beatles and the Doors and the Stones come through.
It's like, here are the first cool people ever.
joe rogan
First cool people ever.
And so then that all dries up when they pass the laws in the 1970s through the Nixon administration to kill the civil rights movement and to kill the anti-war movement, to make everything illegal.
Then you get the cocaine era.
So cocaine ruins music.
The 1980s was like, there's some great music in the 80s, but there's a lot of horseshit in the 80s, too.
There's still brilliant artists.
There's always going to be brilliant artists, but there's a lack of that psychedelic progression that Hendrix definitely shifts into a weird thing gets weird.
james mccann
By the 80s, late 80s, they figured it out.
They figured out how to appropriate the counterculture thing and put a corporate look on it.
joe rogan
Well, it was cocaine.
They killed the psychedelics and it entered into an area of cocaine.
Like you see movies get real weird.
A lot of movies are like real stupid.
They don't make any sense.
They're dumb as shit.
And then you go back to 1963 and you see The Hustler.
You say, well, okay, why were they so good back then?
Why were so many of these movies so shitty?
james mccann
It's late 20s.
Early Frank Capra just watches a normal modern film.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some great movies, man.
james mccann
But when you started comedy, this is the early 90s?
joe rogan
88.
james mccann
88.
So there would have been a period, like, it seems like cocaine was big in American comedy circles for a time.
joe rogan
Oh, it was big there.
james mccann
Retreated.
unidentified
But it disappeared at a certain...
joe rogan
There's some places that still, they love the Coke.
james mccann
I don't run into active drug addicts very often.
unidentified
Well, people do cocaine.
joe rogan
They don't last.
The weed comics last.
The fucking Coke comics don't last.
james mccann
Heroin people keep going.
joe rogan
Well, until they don't.
james mccann
Yeah, but the red hot chili peppers look great.
They've been preserved.
joe rogan
I think they're clean.
I think they're clean for a long time.
james mccann
I think they did back in from time to time.
You think so?
No, no, no, I think after "By the Way,"Yeah.
Iggy Pop, I don't know if he's still on heroin, but he's looking...
joe rogan
Poor Iggy.
He looks so good.
james mccann
But he looked that way 30 years ago.
He's like Alice Cooper.
unidentified
He looked like a world old man.
joe rogan
But he looked old 30 years ago, but he had like, he was lean.
He moved around on stage with his shirt off, but now he looks like he can barely walk.
Yeah, he's like something's wrong with his.
james mccann
Did you see the ACDC one?
That was like last week?
joe rogan
You got to see Iggy Pop first.
james mccann
How bad?
I saw Iggy Pop like 10 years ago and he was great.
joe rogan
He's great.
james mccann
No, dude, I had to kick a woman in a mush pit.
He was dragging.
He was saying, come on stage, everybody.
joe rogan
One of my favorite green room songs is Passenger.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking great song, man.
james mccann
After the show?
I couldn't listen to Passenger before a show.
It'd be too sad.
joe rogan
Really?
james mccann
Yeah.
All right.
joe rogan
I'm a passenger.
james mccann
What's he look like now?
Is this 2023?
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
Is he still good in the face?
joe rogan
No, no, like he's still killing it.
It's just he has a hard time getting around.
It looks like there's something wrong with his.
james mccann
It does look like he's got spine bifid in there.
joe rogan
I think he's got something wrong with his hip or something, which is super common, especially for performers who dance around on stage a lot and go crazy.
Yeah.
james mccann
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So he's having a hard time moving.
Still killing it.
But let me hear some of that.
james mccann
Check out.
After that, bring up the ACDC at the moment.
It's very...
unidentified
Okay.
james mccann
Okay, he's very old.
joe rogan
He's got it.
He's still Iggy Pop, but his body's struggling.
And like, I know a lot of guys, like, Ted Nugent had to get both his knees replaced because he was jumping off amplifiers.
Yeah.
Maynard from Tool, he had to get his hip replaced.
His hip was fucked up.
james mccann
That's why Neil Diamond had the right plan.
Just stand there.
unidentified
Just stand there.
james mccann
Just sing you beautiful songs.
You can do that forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good move.
james mccann
No, they all get.
joe rogan
It's hard, man.
You're bouncing around on a stage all the time and stomping the ground.
Like Anthony Keatis, his knee's all fucked up, man.
I went to see this.
He's great.
He killed it.
We went to see the chili peppers when they were in town.
And then afterwards, he's got an ice knee.
I feel bad.
You know, he's still on stage, though.
We don't notice it.
james mccann
Every time someone says they don't like the chili peppers, I distrust them immediately.
unidentified
They're great.
joe rogan
Suck My Kiss is a fucking great.
unidentified
That whole album is start to finish from ACDC this year.
jamie vernon
I think that one video we saw was just kind of a weird thing.
james mccann
He looks okay in this one.
joe rogan
It's 2025.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There was a viral video going around where they looked a little slow.
james mccann
No, he's still got it.
unidentified
I take it back.
james mccann
But this is, I mean, if you were a classical composer, you just get to be old and wear your big powdered wig and keep writing until you're 80.
As a rock star, a big part of it is that you're physically threatening and that women want to have sex with you, right?
Like this is.
joe rogan
Have you seen Mick Tiger's girlfriend?
james mccann
Yes.
unidentified
She's a beautiful...
james mccann
She's so hot.
joe rogan
She's so hot.
She's so hot that she's like 30 or something like that.
And he's 1,000?
james mccann
I got to meet Al Pacino's baby mama.
joe rogan
But you got to see the pictures of Mick with the girl.
james mccann
With the lady?
joe rogan
Look at this.
james mccann
Yeah, this is the one.
joe rogan
What's that?
james mccann
This is the one that went viral.
joe rogan
But he's just stomping on stage.
james mccann
No, it's the way he sang oi.
joe rogan
Let me hear it.
jamie vernon
I have to get started.
unidentified
*music* Thank you.
joe rogan
ACDC urge to retire after recent concert footage goes viral.
unidentified
Assholes.
Let me hear this.
james mccann
He does seem tired.
unidentified
I don't think he should have to retire, but...
jamie vernon
He probably is still doing all right.
james mccann
That's our greatest export.
That's for sure.
We've never done anything that great before since.
joe rogan
Listen, guys get old.
It's hard to come up with the full power always when you hit that age.
But what was the point?
Oh, Mick Jagger and his new girl.
james mccann
He's fly honey.
joe rogan
Oh, she's so hot.
And he's at least a million years old.
unidentified
He.
joe rogan
How old is he?
james mccann
Yeah, I got to see him like 10 years ago, and he seemed old then, but he was still grooving.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I saw him in town as well.
I saw him at the Circuit of the Americas.
They did this gigantic outdoor concert.
It was fucking incredible.
Look at her.
Ba-ba-ba-bam, son.
What's up now?
Dude, she's so hot.
And she's like, I can't believe I'm with Mick Jagger.
That's what talent does.
james mccann
He seems happy as well.
He seems thrilled.
joe rogan
I would imagine that would make you happy.
james mccann
I mean, yeah, but then she's talking about a young woman things, and you just want to read the Financial Times in peace.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Maybe that's why he's so good still.
Maybe he stays young.
james mccann
He's still hippie.
joe rogan
They fucking killed it, man.
They killed it at Coda.
Al Pacino.
james mccann
She was backstage, and I. I got another kid.
joe rogan
I got another one?
Yeah.
Another one?
james mccann
I got dragged away when I met her because people thought I was going to ask weird stuff.
joe rogan
So this is a new gal?
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
He's 85.
Holy shit.
unidentified
He still looks good.
joe rogan
What do you want me to do?
unidentified
She's got a great ass.
I mean, wow, she's hot.
james mccann
It does start to look like you're.
Oh, they split.
I think that's the one I met.
joe rogan
That was the one that he split with, but he's got another one.
Wow.
Good for him.
james mccann
He loves breeding.
He's still out there doing it.
joe rogan
Listen, don't give Elon shit.
Don't give him shit.
james mccann
I just like it done the old-fashioned way.
I like the Genghis Khan rooting his way across the steppe.
I fear.
Also, like, Elon's in public.
He's one of the only billionaires who allows himself to be seen and judged and thought about.
But if we had a list of the top 100 richest people in the world, we would know eight of them.
Like, the hidden figures who are doing that.
joe rogan
Well, the real richest people in the world are probably the oil builders.
unidentified
The souths.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they don't even have to tell you how much money they have.
james mccann
Yeah.
Once they're building an ice tobogganing room in the desert.
joe rogan
Bro, they're building the line.
Have you seen that?
james mccann
Yeah, I don't believe that's going to be nice.
joe rogan
Maybe it will be.
They have so much money they can make it nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at what they did to Dubai.
You ever see those time-lapse photos of Dubai?
james mccann
But they didn't even put...
joe rogan
What do you mean?
james mccann
So they have like trucks come along and pick up the poo from downstairs every day and have to drive it out.
It seems like a fake.
joe rogan
Oh, that's an error.
Someone needs to be fired.
Somebody's probably killed.
james mccann
Someone has been quietly chopped into pieces.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%, right?
The Birch Khalif is like, how many stories?
james mccann
It's too big.
joe rogan
And it's all buckets of shit being carried on.
james mccann
I could be getting that wrong, but someone told me that they have semi-trailers that come by in the morning.
jamie vernon
That's an old hoax.
james mccann
Is it a hoax?
I take it back.
I got one wrong.
I was right about the foot binding.
I was right about...
No, it's right.
No, I love the kingdom of sound.
I'm a big fan.
I could be got on Compromat so easily.
Send me a new car.
I'll say great things about the regime.
No one has come to me.
Not even someone selling dick pills or nothing.
I want to get to that later.
unidentified
It's coming.
james mccann
I don't see.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
More appearances like this and it'll all happen.
james mccann
I'll be doing gamble.
I'll be doing DraftKings.
joe rogan
Yeah, there you go.
james mccann
I don't think I could.
I'm trying to figure out what companies I would have on my podcast and wouldn't.
joe rogan
Do you gamble at all?
james mccann
Yeah, but I don't like the companies.
I like, you know.
joe rogan
Regular gambling.
james mccann
Regular.
I'll bet you money for this.
It's ruined footy in Australia.
Oh, has it?
Australia's the highest per capita gambling losses in the world.
unidentified
Wow.
james mccann
And we beat Singapore.
We shouldn't be beating the Asian countries.
Asians should have gambling down pat.
joe rogan
Is that because you don't have to raise in any other place?
james mccann
I think so.
I think everything is so safe that it's like, I've got to lose everything on this.
joe rogan
You go crazy on that one thing.
The gambling thing.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
james mccann
Because booze is expensive.
But then the way that they advertise on, you always have to see the line.
You can't watch a game of football with someone because they go, they don't just want their team to win anymore.
They want this guy to get 27 disposals and the second goal of the game.
It's like, just, I want to watch footy.
But gambling is very exciting.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a thing like that in MMA, too.
It's a big factor in MMA.
james mccann
I think if your guy gets, you know, he wins, but by submission, then you're upset because he didn't knock the other guy out and you lost money.
joe rogan
There's like the Drake thing, too, because Drake spent, he bets like the big money on the UFC.
And did he bet on Charles Oliveira or Ilya Patulpuria?
james mccann
That was nutty.
Oh, my God.
Also, that was the first one of those updates since I met you.
jamie vernon
He bet $200,000 on Charles.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
They call it the Drake curse.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a website that Charles.
james mccann
Whoever he bets on Goes Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, Drake's.
That's his UFC betting history.
Returned $0.
Who is he?
jamie vernon
He's not cursed when it comes to UFC overall, though.
He's up a million bucks.
joe rogan
Oh, all time from his public UFC bets.
From his public ones.
Over 25 bets, he's wagered $13.45 million, returning $14.48.
james mccann
Yeah, but everyone knows that.
joe rogan
He's won 10 out of those 25 bets, losing 15 times.
james mccann
You go public when you win.
joe rogan
Interesting.
james mccann
It's a guy who comes back to the office on Monday and goes.
joe rogan
But look at that.
He's only won 40% of the time.
His average UFC bet size is 538K.
That's interesting, though, because he's only won 40% of the time.
He just bets big when he's sure.
And so he's ahead.
His biggest single loss was Adesanya to beat Alex Pereira in 22, the one that Pereira won, the first one.
Single bet victory was John Jones over Cyril Gawn.
Successfully predicting John Jones to win by submission.
Interesting.
james mccann
Hold on, but this is a whole website dedicated to it.
He could have sent this out.
joe rogan
No.
No, it's commonly known.
james mccann
He's betting on cricket.
unidentified
Yeah.
james mccann
Why is he betting on cricket?
joe rogan
He likes to bet, dude.
He's rich as fuck.
james mccann
He's betting on the.
joe rogan
He gets his jollies off throwing large numbers at stuff.
jamie vernon
Three bets on cricket, returning 2.65 mil.
joe rogan
So he's ahead.
jamie vernon
He's three for three.
joe rogan
So he knows what he's doing.
jamie vernon
There you go.
joe rogan
He's making money.
james mccann
Yeah, but you always bet on the royals and the cricket.
joe rogan
Well, if you're going to bet, though, betting on sports where you actually know the game, that's a smart thing to bet on.
I bet if I bet on fighting, I bet I'd be right 60% of the time.
james mccann
You have a deal where they'd say, don't you, dear?
joe rogan
Oh, no, you can't.
The UFC won't let you.
But that was only recent, man.
That was recent because there was an accusation that one of the trainers had been posting on some website and that they knew that this guy was injured.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the guy lost in the first round.
And there's a bunch of money on him losing in the first round because he had a blown-out knee.
james mccann
I think there was a footy player in Australia who was betting on himself to kick goals, which was like, he was backing himself, and it was like $15 or something.
It was very small.
joe rogan
He got in trouble for that?
james mccann
He got in trouble for that.
joe rogan
He was betting on himself.
james mccann
He's bet on himself to do well.
joe rogan
I think if you bet on yourself to win, that should be legal.
james mccann
I bet on the Eurovision Song Contest.
That's my go-to.
joe rogan
Fighters have made personal bets with each other.
Like, I'll bet you the first one.
I think that's the first.
Yeah, it makes it more exciting.
james mccann
but there's definitely room for...
joe rogan
That is an issue.
It's an issue with fighters.
james mccann
Eurovision is a good bet.
joe rogan
If you found out that a fighter bet against himself, like, oh, God.
Or the trainer bet against the fighter, which has happened before.
That has happened before.
It was like anonymous back in the day, like in the old boxing days.
Like, people could throw fights and that shit happened all the time.
james mccann
Was it on the waterfront?
That's why.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
Milo Himbrando.
That also, that has 100% happened in MMA, especially in Japan.
In Japan, in the early days, there was a lot of fixed fights.
And you could kind of tell some of them.
You watch them.
You're like, oh, my God, it's fixed.
But it was because a lot of the Japanese stars originally in Pride came from the world of pro wrestling.
james mccann
Yes.
joe rogan
Where they had determined outcomes.
And so some of these guys were stars.
And there's a few fights that they had as stars where it was a fixed fight.
james mccann
But like that Logan Paul Mike Tyson fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
He could have knocked him out earlier and clearly was choosing not to.
I mean, he bows to him at the end.
joe rogan
It seemed to me like sparring when I watched it, which, you know, look, I paid for it.
They got me.
I thought it was going to be a real fight, but I'm not mad because I'm just happy that Mike Tyson made a ton of money.
And I'm happy for Jake Paul that he made it.
And look, if he decided not to try to hurt Mike Tyson at 58 years old.
james mccann
Sure.
But there's some guy out there who had a million dollars on the bottom.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
That's why, look, maybe it was a real fight.
Maybe that's just the level that they both fight at.
But it seemed a little sus.
james mccann
I mean, we watched that in the green room, I think, and we couldn't get it going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I think that, you know, at the end of the day, it's okay.
It doesn't bother me.
It's a different, that's a different situation than someone like Terrence Crawford fighting Canelo Alvarez, and I don't think that that fight's legit.
If I saw that and I didn't think it was legit, I'd be furious.
Like, you guys are in your prime.
These are the best fighters on planet Earth.
We're finally going to get to see you guys box and you threw a fight, but that's not what's going on, you know?
Mike Tyson, Jake Paul was the most heavily wagered fight in years.
Okay, that's a problem.
That makes it a problem.
My opinion is, I just want to say, in case someone calls me into court, I'm a fucking idiot and I don't know nothing.
And don't take my advice.
james mccann
I love the Saudi government.
joe rogan
Don't take my opinion.
james mccann
I love the Israeli government.
I love Israel.
joe rogan
That had nothing to do with them.
That was Jake Paul promoting it.
It doesn't bother me.
james mccann
It's compromising the sport, and that's bad.
It's just like watching it with people who are so in on it.
And then also, like, man, the sports betting apps, they introduced chat apps in them in Australia.
So it's like they're trying to take the place of social media companies where you go together and you meet your friends.
Like betting should be exciting enough without having a weird thing.
joe rogan
They're just trying to make money, right?
So they're trying to draw you in any way they can.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When I was first starting to work for the UFC, I bet.
I bet a bunch of times.
and then I thought, like, I probably shouldn't do this.
But I couldn't.
I was thinking, I was justifying in my head.
I was like, I can't affect the outcome.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there was no rule.
james mccann
It doesn't matter how you're calling it.
It's not going to.
joe rogan
I'm not going to change.
And also, like, I like the fights, and I'm not going to bet that much anyway.
But then my business partner, Annette, and I, Aubrey, he would bet on things I would tell him to bet on.
He was up like 80% at one time.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because in the early days, like in the early 2000s-ish, when they were bringing in guys from like Japan and Russia, there was a lot of dudes that I knew about that the bookmakers didn't know about.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like where like, like when Anderson Silva came over to America, I was like, bet the house.
Bet everything on Anderson.
I mean, bet everything.
Because Chris Lieban, who's a great fighter, is tailor-made for that style.
And Anderson is one of the nastiest strikers that's ever competed in the sport.
He's so good and so accurate.
And he just ran through Chris Lieban in the first round.
I was like, called it.
Because there's certain fights where you go like, this guy's special.
Like Ilya Toporia.
Like if Ilya Taporia is fighting a regular guy, like bet the house on the Spaniard.
Bet the house.
Like that guy's special.
There's like when Alex Pereira first came to the UFC, I was telling everybody, bet the house on the Brazilian.
I'm like, if he touches you, you go into orbit.
Like he's just different.
This is a different guy.
james mccann
And you just have to know about that before the bookies.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but people knew about Pereira sort of, but they didn't have a lot of evidence of him being that good in MMA.
They had one fight in the LFA.
There was another fight before that where he lost by submission.
I think maybe he had one other win, but it was the kickboxing.
So I'm a big kickboxing fan.
And in kickboxing, he was a two-division world champion in glory, which is like the elite kickboxing league.
But the thing wasn't that he was winning.
It was how he was winning.
He was flatlining people.
unidentified
But you have to have actually watched the fight to get that.
joe rogan
You have to also be able to critically analyze his movements.
They're just different.
He's just doing something.
He moves different than people.
And when he hits guys, it's like, holy shit, man.
They can all knock each other out.
They're all elite fighters.
james mccann
I watched that Oliveira fight, and we were with Nate's team in San Jose.
Someone says, this man's, the man who knocked him out.
He's like, this punch is incredible.
No one knows this.
They were all saying, like, this is an easy anti-Oliveira's going to lose because of this man's.
And then when he hits him in the head, you go, because he knocks him out on the first punch and then catches him on the second and hits him twice after that.
But it's like, if you just, I don't know about fighting.
And then watching that, I couldn't believe he was knocked out from, it didn't look like it should have had that impact.
joe rogan
Oh, it should, for sure.
Yeah.
When you watch the punch being delivered in slow motion, it looks everything like a knockout punch.
He throws his punches with so much conviction.
There's so much torque and they're so perfect.
james mccann
Like his whole body is coming in.
joe rogan
It's the coordination of the mechanics of his movements.
It's like that's a big part of.
He also has very big fists, but that's a big part, especially for 145 and even in 155.
Like he's undersized compared to like guys like Rufi, who's like 6'2 ⁇ .
There's like some elite guys that are big in that weight class.
But the way he delivers his punches, it's like you just can't get hit by him, man.
He's got so much commitment and so the timing is so perfect.
When he went blam with that right hand, that had everything on it.
No one's eaten that shot.
No one.
No one.
He's got what Ferrosa Hobby likes to call the touch of death.
It's a perfect name for it.
It's because he hits guys.
They're just done, man.
They're done.
james mccann
That seems like a lot of times.
joe rogan
He's the greatest three-fight win streak in the history of the sport.
He knocks out Alexander Volkanovsky, Max Holloway, and then Charles Oliveira.
It's the greatest three-fight win streak in the history of the sport.
james mccann
And Volkanovsky is currently the champ.
joe rogan
He is now.
james mccann
He is now doing it.
joe rogan
He came back.
But that's at 45, though.
So he went up to 55.
So Volkhanovsky's the champ because he abandoned the belt at 45 because he wanted to pursue the belt at 55.
He didn't want to make weight at Ilya.
Didn't want to make 145 anymore.
So it felt like it's too draining for his body, and he'd be even better at 55.
Turns out he was right.
He's even better at 55.
Charles Oliveira is really good, man.
Really good.
To starch him like that with essentially one punch is extraordinary.
But he called it, which is even crazier.
james mccann
He said, I'm going to knock him out with him.
joe rogan
He's going to knock him out in the first round.
And he also, he had a celebration for his victory the night before the fight.
So they went to a restaurant.
He's standing on a bench.
They're cheering.
james mccann
That is cool.
joe rogan
It worked.
I mean, listen, if you're that good.
james mccann
And he's going to fight the Scouser?
The Scouser kept saying, Scassa kept going, I want him.
And then Nights Time are going like, he thinks he wants him.
He doesn't want him.
joe rogan
It'll probably happen eventually because they hate each other and it'll be very marketable.
I don't know if it's going to happen next.
james mccann
This is my first year following it.
I'm starting that.
My brother watches it a lot.
joe rogan
There's a lot of really good guys at 155, though.
If you wanted to do it according to who deserves the shot, it would be, in my mind, it would be either Justin Gaetchy, who is a very compelling argument for deserving the shot.
He was the interim champion.
He essentially changed the progression of Tony Ferguson's career.
james mccann
Just by knocking him out?
joe rogan
Just beat him down, man.
It was a brutal, brutal fight.
And then, you know, I mean, he's got so many victories.
He just beat Fazeev again after getting knocked out by Holloway.
He's one of the best of the best.
And, you know, he's fought for the title before.
He fought Khabib.
He's fucking really good, man.
james mccann
But what would stop him?
joe rogan
And he's a big star, and he also deserves it.
The other guy would be Armand Sarukian.
Armand Sarukian was supposed to fight Islam for the title, but got a back injury supposedly because of the weight cut.
He had a particularly brutal weight cut and his back locked up to the point where he couldn't even fucking move.
And so they had to call the fight.
And so then they brought in Hanato Moikano, and he fought for the title, like last-minute replacement.
So Sarukian is elite.
He's as good as he gets, and he could be a world champion.
And so if I wanted to do it according to not marketability, but rather like who deserves it, it would be either Geiji or Sarukian.
james mccann
How often does that come into it as opposed to the marketability?
joe rogan
I don't do that, man.
That's the thing.
It's like I'm not involved.
I would not be the right guy for the business.
james mccann
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I'm kind of a purist.
I feel like if you're the number one contender, you get the shot.
That's how I feel.
But I also don't know if I agree who the number one contender is all the time.
I think that should be up for debate.
It's very subjective.
Who decides what victories count for more or who would be more compelling to fight for the title?
Who deserves it?
Some guys have to fight a ton of guys.
And then other guys, like Pereira, he got a shot at Arisanya just a few fights in.
james mccann
Yeah.
But this is what then kills.
This hurts boxing is when you have a champ who just repeatedly takes on people that they can walk over to extend the victory.
But because the UFC is all one thing.
joe rogan
The UFC makes you fight the big fights.
And if you don't want to fight the big fights, like John Jones didn't want to fight Tom Aspinall, then they didn't strip him?
Well, he didn't strip him.
John just retired.
But I think John just decided to retire legitimately.
I think he's, you know, he's partying a lot.
He had a long career and he's the greatest of all time.
Like at a certain point in time, you have to say enough.
And at 37, as the heavyweight champion retiring undefeated, that's probably a good move.
You know, he's got one loss, but it's a bullshit.
james mccann
Have you seen those late Muhammad Ali interviews where he's going back?
He's going back again and people are begging him, you don't have to do this.
It's over.
It's fine that it's over.
You're the greatest.
That's fine.
joe rogan
He's not getting any money, man.
james mccann
How did he not have any money?
joe rogan
Because he got ripped off.
He got ripped off, man.
He got ripped off.
And a lot of these wild, impulsive dudes, they spend all their money.
Like Tyson spent hundreds of millions.
He bought tigers and shit.
He was joking around about it.
He had Lamborghinis and Tigers and mansions.
He had a mansion in Ohio that he just abandoned.
And there was an online tour of this mansion.
And you can go online.
Someone broke into the mansion, took photos of it and everything.
james mccann
There's a guy who did that with Kanye's Mansion in LA recently.
There's an Aussie.
He's written a book about John Safran, who's one of our best.
Really?
He wrote a book about squatting in Kanye's mansion.
He's like, you could just come in through the shrubs out the back, and I finished the book, sitting in Kanye's house.
He was always doing wild stuff.
He was a filmmaker.
He ran naked through the streets of Jerusalem, I think.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
james mccann
What else did he got crucified in the Philippines?
joe rogan
Crucified?
Like on a cross?
james mccann
Yeah, like at Easter they ritualized, Yeah.
joe rogan
He did that?
james mccann
He did that.
He went and got for the season finale of one of his shows, he got crucified in the Philippines.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
What a fucking nut.
james mccann
He's wild.
He's a very exciting.
joe rogan
What's his name?
james mccann
Jon Safran.
Yeah, he is the man.
joe rogan
He's a good podcast guy.
james mccann
He stole a lot of Eurasian women's underpants to see if he liked the smell of them better.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck this guy.
james mccann
Why?
joe rogan
He was stealing chicks'underwear and sniffing them.
james mccann
No, and then he took other underpants that were not Eurasian to see if he was attracted to eat.
joe rogan
Jewish Australian comedian journalist.
That's a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Spent a week living in one of West's homes in Los Angeles.
As if Kanye didn't hate Jews enough.
james mccann
I've never heard him speak on this.
I've never heard him speak on John Zephyr.
joe rogan
Isn't it kind of funny, though, that a Jewish guy is the guy who squatted in his house?
unidentified
I think that's why he did it.
james mccann
No, he's wild.
unidentified
He's hilarious.
james mccann
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
He was crazy.
james mccann
Now he's writing books, but his documentary series were great.
He was in a show called Race Around the World, and everyone else would take it very seriously.
They had six aspiring filmmakers.
joe rogan
You know what the nuttiest spending of money was?
Was Evander.
Evander Holyfield, who was the heavyweight champion of the world.
He made the biggest fucking house.
It was an insanely huge house.
And then I think he sold it to Rick Ross, the rapper.
But the house is insane.
I don't know how much it costs.
I mean, I don't know how much it cost.
I don't even want to guess, but it's the craziest house I've ever seen in my life.
It's like a house that you would say, if I'm the baddest motherfucker on earth, I want the baddest fucking house on earth.
james mccann
Is he a gypsy?
joe rogan
He's a Vander Holyfield.
james mccann
I don't know.
joe rogan
You don't know who Vander Holyfield is?
Oh, my God.
One of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
james mccann
Have you seen the Gypsy house?
joe rogan
He beat Mike Tyson.
Vander Holyfield beat Mike Tyson when he was very little about.
He knocked him out.
He stopped him.
james mccann
Oh, he was the earbiting guy.
joe rogan
The earbuding guy.
That was the second fight.
james mccann
I didn't know about the earbud.
joe rogan
That was after Tyson beat him up in the first fight.
In the second fight, he bit his ear.
james mccann
Was he losing the second fight?
joe rogan
Tyson was losing.
Okay, that's why he did that.
But show Vander Holyfeld's house.
Look at this place.
Bro.
44,234 square feet and has 109 rooms.
james mccann
Actually, very Tyson.
joe rogan
Including 135-seat theater, a bowling alley, and a dining room that accommodates 100 people.
james mccann
Where is it?
joe rogan
So large, they named the highway on which it sits Evander Holyfield Highway.
unidentified
That's crazy.
james mccann
I thought it would be bad.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
No, it's gorgeous.
It cost an estimated worth of $230 million in 94.
unidentified
What is that?
james mccann
The wood paneling?
joe rogan
In 94, around that time, he had an estimate.
Oh, excuse me.
Around that time, he had an estimated worth of $230 million.
It's an amazing house.
I mean, it's fucking spectacular.
And now Rick Ross, the rapper, lives there, which is like the perfect rapper house.
james mccann
You've got to spend it on.
joe rogan
But see if you can get photos of it.
Oh, it's gorgeous.
And it's a giant piece of land, too.
I think it's 105 acres.
See if you can set an image of it from the outside.
Yeah, that one where you see it.
Like, look at that.
It does look like the Georgia house.
If you're a Vander Holyfield, that's the kind of house you want to live in when you're the baddest motherfucker alive.
Look at that place.
So beautiful.
james mccann
I get hung up on the field.
joe rogan
It's Holyfield.
james mccann
Yeah.
The yachts, I like looking at the super yachts.
I look looking at the Jeff Bezos super yachts.
joe rogan
Oh, they're nuts.
But this house is fucking incredible.
james mccann
You'd feel so lonely.
jamie vernon
Rick Ross bought buffaloes and shit to publish.
joe rogan
You have your friends living there.
He's got buffaloes?
james mccann
You've seen them every third day.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
He's got his own buffaloes.
That's dope as fuck.
That's such a rapper move.
Have your own buffaloes on your property?
I love it.
Rick Ross thanks his neighbors for helping him return his buffaloes.
james mccann
What is Rick Ross?
joe rogan
His buffaloes just hanging out.
They wandered over.
Helping him return his wander buffaloes.
He had to hire some cowboys to bring his fucking animals back home.
james mccann
Yeah, no one needs to.
joe rogan
Why not?
james mccann
Maybe I do need to.
joe rogan
Maybe you do.
Maybe if you become fucking huge and you start doing arenas in America and you develop an insane amount of money and all of a sudden you got giraffes at your house and I go, hey, very hard to say no, what the fuck?
I thought you weren't going to go full Rick Ross.
james mccann
No, I mean, I would go.
I feel very lucky that I got to open for Shane and he lives very humbly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
And like Matt still drives his old car.
Oh, I'll be getting a big, fancy car.
joe rogan
You're going to go crazy.
james mccann
I would like a roll through it.
joe rogan
Shane lives humbly, but he's also got a Mercedes-S class.
This is Mike Tyson's house that got abandoned.
jamie vernon
Giant TV.
joe rogan
It looks like somebody broke it.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it was abandoned for a long time, so they broke all the shit.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That people just would break into his house when he wasn't there.
So did he just leave it there?
Or did he just...
james mccann
I think Michael Jordan's house, he sold at a loss because of everything he'd done to it.
jamie vernon
Some guy just actually bought it and recently made it an Airbnb.
james mccann
He tried to take the shoe gate off.
The gate was a pair of Jordans or something.
joe rogan
That house was only worth $1.1 million.
That's how crazy.
jamie vernon
After it's half forever.
james mccann
That's a steal.
joe rogan
Oh, after it's half forever.
jamie vernon
How much work you have to do to fix it back for that?
joe rogan
Bro, if I lived in that town and I found out Mike Tyson's house was for sale, I'd be like, let's go.
james mccann
There's been a lot of fentalyze.
joe rogan
Let's go.
You think so?
james mccann
In Ohio?
In the abandoned mansion.
joe rogan
In the abandoned mansion.
Yeah, but I'll just use some sage.
I'll clear that out of there.
james mccann
Someone did sage last night backstage.
joe rogan
He left in 90s.
james mccann
There was an odor backstage last night, and I came off stage.
joe rogan
Someone else burned sage?
james mccann
Yeah, the guy working security said we burned sage.
I didn't know there was a big sage.
joe rogan
There was someone evil in the room?
They're trying to get out of here.
james mccann
I think someone might have just, I won't name who it was, but someone might have left a terrible smell.
unidentified
Oh.
james mccann
I think someone was.
joe rogan
That definitely happens in that room.
There's a lot of people eating weird food that gets delivered to that room.
james mccann
Yeah, I mean, I, oh man, Cam Patterson, I don't want to.
I should have said just a guy.
I shouldn't have added it as Cam Patterson.
No, when he headlined, he bought like enough fried chicken for 50 people.
And it was just me and his whole, it was like one of the first times I was hanging out with all black people in America.
I just quietly from Gus's.
joe rogan
Did they get it from Gus's?
james mccann
It was like, no, I don't know where it was from.
It was huge and it was beautiful.
And I thought, I didn't know we had to do that.
And headlining, do we have to get food for everybody?
unidentified
No, we don't have to.
joe rogan
You can definitely order food.
If you ever want to headline there, we'll order you food.
james mccann
Well, I, man, I have had good meals in their green room.
joe rogan
Yeah, we too.
We get Terry Black's delivered to it.
james mccann
Terry Black's great there.
joe rogan
We'd have Not a Damn Chance, Not a Damn Chance burgers.
james mccann
Brian Simpson ordered ramen and didn't want to eat the eggs.
Everyone looked at me funny for eating it.
He said, I don't want these.
And I said, I'll eat them.
I'm hungry.
joe rogan
Why not, man?
james mccann
There's also, it's kind of a food.
There's a pizza place next door, and there's a Chick-fil-A way down the road.
joe rogan
There's a really good taco truck up the street, too.
james mccann
And the Diddy Dog is good.
There's a lot of things in vans.
But I am more suspicious of eating out of trucks and vans now than I used to be.
What I like is the Mexicans doing the weird hot dogs with like whatever.
They've got huge onions and capsicum.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
I love Kapski or hot sauce guy.
james mccann
I love, I just like those men with like a thousand things and a little hot plate.
There's less of them now there than there used to be.
Who can say why?
joe rogan
I hope they're going to come back.
We'll see.
james mccann
That was what I'd always, like, there was always a contingent of the American, like people chatting on cable news who would say that illegal immigration wasn't a huge thing and that people were inflating the numbers.
And then when I got here and I, no one warned me, but I was like setting up a house.
And I went to a Home Depot in the morning and it was like, I don't know, it was like 150 guys just out there.
I mean, this is old hat and Americans don't talk about it anymore because you've just all known for decades that this is what happens out front of a Home Depot.
joe rogan
Well, especially L.A. If you go to L.A., it was way higher numbers than L.A., I think.
Texas actually has some pretty high numbers too, though.
They have to figure out a pathway to citizenship for these folks and amnesty for people that have been here and established.
james mccann
Sitting in the front door is a bitch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And also, a lot of those people are good people.
Good people, hard workers.
james mccann
What I liked is that the humbres out front of the Home Depot, a lot of them wearing like pro-American gear, like big American hats and bald eagle shirts and things.
So it's like, I'm going to be the most pro-American.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they just need a pathway.
Let's make sure that they're not cartel members and criminals and murderers.
james mccann
That seems easy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It seems like it's doable, and it's also they're valuable.
Like these are people that come over here with ambition.
That's what this country wants.
james mccann
But people want better lives.
I think if you polled Americans, like huge numbers of people would support that.
joe rogan
I agree.
james mccann
So why doesn't anybody...
Why can't anybody get it together?
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, I think it's an over-correction because it was so bad for the last four years where they had an open border.
And they were encouraging people to come in.
They were encouraging people.
They were helping people.
or moving people to swing states.
The problem is when you have...
james mccann
They were admitting it.
I watched the Federman one where he was going, yeah, I mean, what you got to do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Admitting it.
james mccann
This is crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Because the thing is, it affects elections in more ways than one.
Even if they can't vote, it affects the amount of congressional seats dependent upon the population, regardless of whether that population is legal or illegal.
So if you have 20 million people living in a place, you get a certain amount of congressional seats.
james mccann
Regardless of if they're registered.
joe rogan
That's where things get weird.
That's the reality of politics in America.
And they wanted to stop that, and the Democrats did not.
The Democrats wanted that to keep going.
That was one of the things that Trump ran on.
james mccann
But then also he gets in and he's like, can we get the white South Africans out of here immediately?
unidentified
Can we move a million white South Africans to bring them in, but you're not bringing the persecuted Mexicans in?
james mccann
It seems like a pathway would be the things I had to do that.
joe rogan
The Africa thing is nuts, man.
The South African thing, like the killing of the farmers.
People want to deny that that exists.
james mccann
I have seen the rally.
The kill the boar, kill the farmer.
unidentified
Oh, he's really, he's doing it.
I've seen it.
james mccann
And then he gets on trial and he goes singing.
unidentified
I was saying.
james mccann
He killed the boom, boom.
And he goes, I was saying kiss.
I said, kiss the boar.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
With his cold, dead eyes.
He's a spooky cat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
I forget his name.
He's a.
joe rogan
Yeah.
james mccann
Yeah, they got some things to sort out.
joe rogan
Indeed.
But listen, the can.
unidentified
Sorry, I didn't mean to.
james mccann
That's a terrible note to go out on.
joe rogan
Johnny Meat, Johnny Bones said, I just re-entered the testing pool.
That lasted about two weeks.
Figured we keep everyone's options open.
jamie vernon
A lot of the fighters are tweeting right now.
They're very excited about fighting on the White House lawn.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
They're going to fight on the White House lawn?
joe rogan
July 4th, 2026, White House lawn.
I knew about it.
I kept it under my hat for months.
Sorry, people.
james mccann
They're going to fight in the Rose Garden?
joe rogan
They're going to fight on the White House lawn.
jamie vernon
20,000 people.
joe rogan
25,000.
jamie vernon
Connor's in.
He says he's going to be the president of Ireland by the next year.
james mccann
He's chosen a weird time to run.
unidentified
But the world's weird.
joe rogan
McKenna, I love you to death, brother.
Thank you for being here.
james mccann
Thank you very much.
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
It's been awesome having you around.
unidentified
Hi, for a great time.
joe rogan
You're a fucking great guy.
james mccann
If I said anything crazy, I didn't mean it.
joe rogan
You're very, very funny, too.
And if anyone hasn't seen you, just stand up, go see them.
I can't recommend you enough.
unidentified
You're awesome.
james mccann
You've changed my life.
Can I say something touching at the end?
joe rogan
Okay.
james mccann
All right.
I mean, I was poor.
I have no opportunities.
I got pasted that club and it's revolutionized.
I get to pay my rent on time.
I get to do comedy often and people are nice about it.
This is, it's been very, very strange.
And I couldn't have done it if you hadn't set that club up.
joe rogan
I appreciate that very much.
And that's the whole reason why we set it up the way we set it up in the first place.
We wanted to make it a place where that can happen.
And like I said, about like open micers that are good, they just never saw a path and couldn't figure it out.
I think we can save some of those people in the future.
I think we can lessen the attrition rate and we can make better comics and make it a real supportive community, which is what we're really doing.
And that was the whole goal of the place is to make the best club possible.
And the best club possible has to have development.
You have to have people coming up that are really good.
It's like that's the key that a lot of these like improvs and stuff, they miss.
james mccann
They don't have like a night where you can just, a bunch of people are doing 15 minutes.
joe rogan
They don't develop a local community.
And so they only rely on the headliners who come in on the weekend.
And the rest of the shows, you have various headliners who do one night or two nights or something like that, which is fine occasionally.
But the reality is you want a vibrant development community.
And if you don't have that, you're not going to get new talent.
You're only going to have to import talent every week.
james mccann
There's three cities in all of America where you can reliably do it.
joe rogan
It used to just be two.
james mccann
This has changed.
And Shane brought me over here.
I want to shout him out.
He's the best.
I was in Ohio.
I was having a good time, but I had no...
And then the fact that there is a place that you can come and if you're going to work hard and do it.
Well, I mean, that's insane.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
james mccann
Ah, look, I don't want to go on about it.
joe rogan
We're happy to have you, brother.
james mccann
I'm very touched.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
God bless you.
unidentified
Tell everybody your Instagram so they can follow you at JDF McCann, the James Donald Fools McCann Catamaran Plan.
james mccann
That's a great podcast that everybody should check out.
I think they've got books of poems.
That's it.
joe rogan
Okay, wonderful.
james mccann
Hey, thank you so much.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
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