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Joe Rogan Experience #2317 - Cody Tucker
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joe rogan
What are the odds that I contact you on Instagram and the fucking day you're here is the day your book comes out?
cody tucker
It's pretty unlikely.
joe rogan
Kind of crazy.
cody tucker
A little bit.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
You know, it's kind of like the universe smiled upon us.
You know what I mean?
It's like synchronicity.
If you want to believe in the simulation.
Sometimes I do.
cody tucker
I'm with you.
unidentified
Sometimes you just see something and you're like, this is a simulation, right?
cody tucker
We're not in the real...
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
There's a second and a third and a fourth and so on.
joe rogan
Sometimes just things seem like God is showing you satire.
Like there's just a little fun thrown in there.
And a lot of it is on your Instagram page.
I have to tell you, dude, I have wasted so much fucking time, so much time watching your videos going, what the fuck?
Is that real?
And so many things I've learned from it.
It's actually, it's very educational, but it's also very fun.
Thank you.
Cody Tucker, your book is called And Now You Know.
And Now You Know.
I didn't even know you had a book when I reached out to you.
I just said, this guy's got to be interesting.
cody tucker
Yeah, I mean, that remains to be seen, I think, but we'll find out together.
joe rogan
Well, you are on Instagram.
How did you get started doing that type of a page?
Because it's very specific.
cody tucker
I mean, I've always been interested in, like, random facts, like, you know.
Origin stories of words, like movies, all these different things like the dark side of history.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
And I like telling people those stories and they seem to enjoy it whenever I tell them.
So I was like, well, why don't I just like make little videos and clip them, you know, clip them up, make them look all right.
joe rogan
What were you doing before you were doing that?
cody tucker
I mean, I've always had a podcast.
No one watches this thing, so it's alright.
joe rogan
We'll bump that bitch up now.
cody tucker
Well, yeah, it might change now, but yeah, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily recommend watching the podcast, but it exists.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
That is, by the way, so much better than please watch my podcast, like, and subscribe.
Whenever a video gets interrupted by like and subscribe, the last thing I want to do is like and subscribe.
cody tucker
Like, come on.
I mean, I'd rather you just, if you watch it and like it, well, thank you if you don't.
Get in line.
joe rogan
Well, that's how podcasts get good.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I started out doing with this.
I never advertised this thing once.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
This thing got where it is 100% word of mouth.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it.
cody tucker
Yeah.
So I started watching pretty early, but it still had a pretty decent following then, but I know you started like...
joe rogan
We started in 2009.
cody tucker
Yeah, so this would have been like a couple years after that even.
joe rogan
But when I started, you know, me and my friend Brian, when we started, we weren't even thinking it was a podcast.
We had already done these things where we'd stream live from the green room at comedy clubs back when it was on Justin TV, which became what, Jamie?
Twitch.
So we would just be, you know, like Joey would be talking shit in the green room and we'd be having fun and, you know, we'd just film it.
Just for fun.
unidentified
Gotcha.
joe rogan
And then I had a few friends that started doing internet shows.
Tom Green was the big one.
Because Tom Green had it all set up at his house.
cody tucker
He's incredible.
joe rogan
Oh, he's the best.
He's such a sweetheart, too.
Everything you would hope he'd be, that's who he is.
Great, great fucking guy.
And, you know, like really...
A forward thinker early on.
He was like, I think I can just do this for my house.
But it was too early.
Like, this is 2007 and the internet sucked.
It wasn't ready yet.
You know, no one had smartphones yet.
It was like, but he was...
Patient Zero, I think.
cody tucker
Gotcha.
joe rogan
Him and then there was this Opie and Anthony show that I used to do.
cody tucker
Oh, they were amazing.
joe rogan
They were amazing.
But Anthony Cumia started doing this thing live from the compound in his basement where he would do karaoke with a green screen holding a machine gun.
That's incredible.
He's nuts.
He's out of his mind.
And he had like beers on tap so they'd be getting hammered.
He's playing video games.
He's a maniac.
And I was like, that looks like so much fun.
I was like, he just has a studio that he set up in his basement.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so we just started fucking around with the most bare of equipment.
It was a fucking laptop webcam.
And we had like a USB mic.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of them blue mics, the big stupid silver ones.
We had one of those.
cody tucker
It's like $30 at Walmart.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's how we started.
And then, you know, we just kept doing it.
Telling people not to go to your podcast is classic.
That's very fun.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's usually my thing.
Because there are people that do watch it, and I think they like it, and I like those people.
I'm glad those people are around, but it's not something that should ever become popular.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's two schools of thought today with the youngins like yourself.
It's like, just get famous at any cost.
Get on TikTok, show your dick on OnlyFans, whatever you have to do.
Or not, right?
Or fuck that.
And you're in the fuck that category.
cody tucker
Yeah, I could care less about having anyone know who the fuck I am.
Which, granted, here I am.
joe rogan
I know, it's nuts.
But that's also why you're here, right?
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's also why your book came out today.
It's like, there's a synchronicity going on.
cody tucker
Something.
joe rogan
Something's happening.
cody tucker
Things are crossing over that I didn't...
joe rogan
So you just...
You did your podcast, and in those stories that you would tell on the podcast, where you would drop some crazy information, then you decided to start clipping them up.
cody tucker
Exactly.
So I would end it with just like, oh, here's some half-ass history, which is what I called the segment.
And then I was like, oh, here's a half-ass history segment.
unidentified
I'd just ramble about some bullshit from Napoleon or something.
joe rogan
I binged him today.
Because, you know, I was getting ready for you to come in.
It was fun.
No, it was fun.
It was fun.
You really freaked me out with the whole Outlaw Josie Wales thing.
Like, I loved that movie.
And now I'm like, oh, no.
cody tucker
Yeah, I can't watch it anymore.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
cody tucker
He's the guy who wrote the book that turned into the...
I mean...
joe rogan
Tell the story because it's so crazy.
cody tucker
So, yeah, there was a fellow named Asa Carter.
unidentified
So Asa Carter is this massive white supremacist.
cody tucker
Like, he was in the KKK and then left the KKK because they weren't...
Racist enough.
unidentified
He was like, y 'all don't hate black people way more.
cody tucker
Like, y 'all should be hating these people way more than you should.
So he made his own version, like a splinter group of the KKK.
And, I mean, he was part of, like, he would show up to, like, Nat King Cole concerts, try to drag them off the stage, you know?
Oh, my God.
And he became a speechwriter for George Wallace.
Not the comic, but, you know, the governor of Alabama, George Wallace, who was, you know, the segregation now, segregation forever.
joe rogan
As you said, a massive piece of shit.
Massive.
In the video.
cody tucker
Horrible human being.
unidentified
I mean, yeah, just an all-around knucklehead.
joe rogan
So he's a speechwriter for that guy.
cody tucker
He helped write that speech, the segregation now, segregation forever.
He was a co-writer of that speech.
Things kind of fell apart from him.
George Wallace was like, you're too racist for me, buddy.
unidentified
Like, I just don't want him to go to school with my kids.
cody tucker
Like, I don't want them to not exist.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
cody tucker
And, yeah, so he moved to Florida, changed his name kind of, I think, to Forrest Carter, I think is the way he changed his name to, and started writing books.
One of them was the rebel outlaw Josie Wales, which, you know, Clint Eastwood turned into.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
I guess back then there was no Google.
So a guy could do something like that?
You would never know.
cody tucker
How would you know?
joe rogan
Well, that's how Stephen King had Richard Bachman, remember?
cody tucker
Exactly.
He wrote Running Man.
joe rogan
Yes.
cody tucker
He wrote Running Man as Richard Bachman and other things, too.
But, yeah.
unidentified
What is it?
joe rogan
Was it The Dark Half?
Is that the other one that I really liked?
cody tucker
Is that Richard?
joe rogan
I don't know if that was a Bachman.
I think that was a Bachman.
unidentified
Was it The Talisman?
joe rogan
He had a bunch of them that were great.
That guy was so...
Cocaine worked so well for him.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, if there's ever a dude, and I know he's clean and sober now, and God bless him, and I feel terrible that the guy got hit by a fucking van, like the whole deal.
It's crazy.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is that?
joe rogan
The Dark Half, Stephen King adaptation.
Oh, so what's Stephen King?
It wasn't Bachman?
cody tucker
Well...
joe rogan
Oh, another pseudonym!
Jesus Christ!
That's how prolific that guy was!
cody tucker
I had no idea he had another one.
joe rogan
He's so prolific, he has extra pseudonyms.
cody tucker
He has a pseudonym for a pseudonym.
joe rogan
Bro, there's not a guy who has ever lived who has made more bangers.
More just...
jamie vernon
Follows Thad Beaumont, a writer who achieves fame.
So it's about, that's the pseudonym of the guy in the book.
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
So now, because if you look on the poster, it says Stephen King's name.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think it's just the Google that the AI gets.
joe rogan
Right, but I think that's the actual, is that the trailer for the film, or the poster for the film?
cody tucker
A writer who achieves fame.
jamie vernon
George Romero made the movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, is that what that image is, though, or is that the image from the book?
jamie vernon
Timothy Hutton plays George Stark, so...
joe rogan
No, no, I know that, but is that image, is that from the book?
jamie vernon
That's the poster.
joe rogan
For the movie?
cody tucker
That's the movie, George A. Romero.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, that's why it says Stephen King is because they're selling it.
cody tucker
Yeah, you'd have to find a picture of the book and see if, like, the book says...
joe rogan
But bottom line is...
cody tucker
They all say Stephen King.
joe rogan
Well, why would you change it now?
It's like, see if the one that he wrote is Bachman for sure.
What did he write as Bachman for sure?
cody tucker
Well, Running Man was for sure Richard Bachman.
joe rogan
Okay.
Let's see if Running Man says Stephen King.
cody tucker
And I think Talisman.
I think that was one that also...
joe rogan
He had a fake picture and everything?
cody tucker
That's amazing.
joe rogan
That's so wild!
cody tucker
I wonder who that guy is.
joe rogan
Richard Manuel, a builder and friend of Stephen King's literary agent.
cody tucker
That's incredible.
joe rogan
He's just a regular guy.
cody tucker
Just a guy.
joe rogan
Just some dude.
unidentified
And Stephen King's like, hey, bro, I'm going to make you famous.
joe rogan
That's kind of crazy.
Oh, he wrote Thinner, too.
cody tucker
When he inspired it by Bachman-Turner Overdrive, which is amazing.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
cody tucker
BTO, one of the greatest bands of all time.
joe rogan
So he did write the dark half.
The surname Stark was later used in a King—oh, no.
cody tucker
No, no.
joe rogan
Okay.
cody tucker
Hold on.
joe rogan
Is he a Richard Stark?
Richard Stark is another one?
cody tucker
No.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unidentified
Richard is a tribute to author.
cody tucker
Got it.
joe rogan
Did he write Ben S. Bachman?
He did.
cody tucker
There should be like a bibliography, I wonder.
jamie vernon
At the last moment he changed it.
joe rogan
At the last moment he changed it to Richard Bachman.
cody tucker
But then there was.
jamie vernon
Gus Pillsbury was a different one he was going to use.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
At the last moment he changed it to Bachman.
So Bachman was the dark half.
cody tucker
If I was a porn star, my name would be Gus Pillsbury.
joe rogan
Or was it The Dark Half?
It says thinner.
They're bringing up The Dark Half, so it has to be there.
Stark was later used to surname Stark.
I don't know.
Either way, this Stephen King.
Let's forget about it.
cody tucker
But I think Running Man, I'm pretty sure Running Man is one of them.
joe rogan
He wrote so many good books that he's like, I'm giving these people too many books.
Let me write some under a fake name, Mom, the biggest book-selling fiction guy in the world.
cody tucker
It's insane.
Have you ever looked at just like...
The first five books.
jamie vernon
The Dark Half is about his using of a student, and maybe that's why you're thinking of it.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
cody tucker
Oh, well that makes sense.
joe rogan
That does make sense.
cody tucker
At the top it said Running Man.
joe rogan
The Dark Half book is great.
cody tucker
I've never read that one.
joe rogan
It's so funny that King was able to pull this off, because how many of his fucking story is about a writer who lives in Maine?
It's so crazy!
The guy just picks his home state, a writer, picks his profession, and then insanity ensues.
It's all like a writer in Maine.
cody tucker
And they're all based on just things that are happening to him.
I can't remember which book it is that's about him going through alcohol DTs.
I can't remember.
joe rogan
Let's put up the bookography.
His bookography, whatever you would call it.
cody tucker
Bibliography?
joe rogan
Bibliography.
If you look at his bibliography, it's insane.
He wrote so many bangers.
cody tucker
Carrie's number one, and then it's like Carrie, Salem's Lot, The Shining, a couple other, It, and then Christine, which...
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't enjoy the dark half movie.
I hate that cliche of the book's better because it's never better because you can see the movie.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
But they never nail it.
It's just too hard.
cody tucker
Well, The Shining kind of does because it's being done by Stanley Kubrick.
joe rogan
Right, but he hated it.
cody tucker
Yeah, he hated it because he changed it.
joe rogan
Which is so nuts.
Well, he said that he thought Nicholson turned crazy right away.
And he wanted it to be a very gradual thing.
cody tucker
You know who he wanted?
joe rogan
Who?
cody tucker
Robin Williams.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
He would have nailed it.
cody tucker
Robin Williams or Harrison Ford.
joe rogan
Bro, have you ever seen Robin Williams in that 24-hour photo movie where he plays a psycho?
Oh, that's it.
That's it, dude.
cody tucker
That movie is so good.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It's insane.
He's so good in it.
cody tucker
He might be one of the greatest actors of all time.
Like, a top ten.
joe rogan
Crazy how good he is in that movie because you just really believe he's a psycho.
cody tucker
Yeah, because he's so lovable at first, but there's all these little signs that, like...
Keep this guy away from your kids.
joe rogan
There's layers.
There's layers to that story.
cody tucker
Yeah.
That's such a great movie.
joe rogan
He was a bummer when he died, man.
That one bummed me out.
cody tucker
Yeah, I've only cried a couple times when a famous person died.
That's one of them.
I broke down.
Heath Ledger and Steve Irwin were the others.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a bummer.
cody tucker
Yeah, Steve Irwin especially.
joe rogan
Chadwick Boseman from...
Black Panther and...
What else was he in?
cody tucker
He was in 42, played Jackie Robinson.
joe rogan
The heartbreaking one, there's an interview with him where he's talking to that woman and he says, I'm already dead.
And she doesn't know what he's saying because he didn't tell anybody.
The dude went through the mill.
He was filming the movie while he was battling cancer.
cody tucker
While everyone was making fun of him for looking skinny and creepy looking.
It's like...
joe rogan
Crazy.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Which...
cody tucker
It is kind of like...
joe rogan
A gangster way to go.
cody tucker
It is.
joe rogan
So did Norm Macdonald.
He did the same thing.
Norm Macdonald didn't tell anybody that he had cancer.
Just went up to Canada and died.
He's battling it for years.
cody tucker
He told no one.
It's one of those things that you can tell when you look back.
When you look back and watch episodes of his show, Norm's show, and you're like, oh.
joe rogan
I know.
You see the puffiness and the brown eyes.
His eyes look...
Very tired.
cody tucker
That, to me, that's the funniest human being of all time.
joe rogan
He's one of the all-time greats.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
cody tucker
I'm sure you met him quite a bit, I would imagine.
joe rogan
I accidentally sat next to him twice on airplanes.
Totally accidentally.
cody tucker
What a person.
joe rogan
And we were already friends.
Yeah.
So it was super cool.
Like, I knew him from the clubs, and I knew him from being around.
And my good friend Adam was a good friend of his.
He used to do that show that they did together.
cody tucker
Adam Meagot?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Adam Meagot.
cody tucker
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Who's the talent coordinator at the mothership.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So I'd known Norm forever, and then one time I was flying back from somewhere, and I sit down, and then Norm plops right next to him like, dude, like, what are the odds?
And then we're having the most fun.
It was the most fun.
cody tucker
That's awesome.
joe rogan
But the second time was even crazier, because Norm sits down next to me.
We're having a great time.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just laughing, and he's just so fun.
We're talking all kinds of crazy shit.
And he tells me, yeah, I quit smoking.
And fucking hard to do, man, but I quit.
I feel so much better.
I'm so glad I did.
I mean, so bad for you.
I go, yeah, good for you, dude.
Fuck those cigarettes, right?
So we land, and he walks straight into the store and buys a pack of cigarettes and is literally lighting it before he gets out the door.
And I go, what are you doing?
I thought you quit.
And he goes, yeah, but all that talking about cigarettes made me...
We want one.
unidentified
I mean, he did quit for a little bit, and then when he landed...
joe rogan
I know a lot of people have quit, and a lot of people...
I mean, they keep pointing to, like...
It's like everyone's playing Russian roulette with fucking lung cancer.
It's so crazy.
You're playing, like, 80% of people don't even get cancer, bro.
cody tucker
Which, I'll take those off.
I mean, look, I'll tell you.
Smoking just looks so cool.
Smoking cigarettes.
I smoke cigarettes, which I need to not do that.
But God, I do feel cool.
joe rogan
It's also, there's an...
I don't even give a fuck about my health.
I'm out here thinking.
unidentified
Well, I don't have to be smoking a cigarette for people to realize that.
cody tucker
Nobody's looking at me like, Jesus.
joe rogan
But that's like accelerating your demise.
Like purposely accelerating your demise for a head rush.
I had to do this thing once.
A buddy of mine had this sketch show.
And they had this sketch that they were putting together, this idea.
And he asked me to be like this troubled...
Poet guy.
And I said, okay, what do you think I should do?
And he goes, I think you should be like smoking cigarettes.
You should be like this guy just smoking cigarettes and talking.
And I'm like, okay, okay, okay.
cody tucker
That's right, yeah.
joe rogan
So I never smoked before.
And that day I probably smoked like 15 cigarettes.
I felt like fucking dog shit.
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
My hands were shaking.
And my friend Adam Ferrara, who's a comedian who was doing this with me, he smoked and he gave me his cigarettes.
And I remember thinking, how do you do this?
How are you doing this to yourself every day?
This is so crazy.
cody tucker
In what time span do you think, the 15 cigs?
joe rogan
I guess we were doing it all throughout the day, so it was probably four or five hours.
cody tucker
It was quite a bit.
I mean, even for like a...
Because I don't smoke like...
I'm not like a pack a day or something like that.
joe rogan
Well, that's good.
cody tucker
Probably a pack every three days.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not too bad.
But it's still terrible for me.
cody tucker
It's still not good.
I mean, I try to justify it in my head.
I'm like, yeah, but I'm not sitting out there.
joe rogan
I really do enjoy one right before I go on stage.
I really do.
You smoke a cigarette for you?
It's a nicotine thing, yeah.
It's like you can get nicotine from a...
But it's the delivery methods that's different.
There's something about smoking it.
And cigars is similar, too.
Smoking the nicotine, it's a very different thing than nicotine pouches.
I've never done the gum.
But there's a benefit to nicotine.
It's just a delivery method that's what's terrible for you.
cody tucker
Yeah, I don't think nicotine's ever really been proven to just be horrible for you.
joe rogan
It actually is neuroprotective, which, like, I love saying those words because I don't really know what the fuck I'm saying, but it sounds like you're smart.
You know, Jillian Michaels was in here the other day, and she was talking about it.
She chews gum and people are like, oh, you're trying to quit smoking?
She's like, no, it's actually good for you.
But most people aren't aware of that.
They just think of cigarette smoking equals cancer, equals nicotine, equals you're doing something bad.
cody tucker
Well, because the nicotine obviously gets you partly addicted and then makes you smoke more cigarettes, which is horrible.
Yes.
There's kind of like some blame you could put towards nicotine in that sense.
joe rogan
In that sense, yeah.
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Well, the real issue is that many cigarettes, they add a bunch of stuff to make them more addictive.
unidentified
Well, right.
cody tucker
That's the issue, is that if they would take all that out, they wouldn't...
I mean, obviously, it's so bad you shouldn't be breathing smoke.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like that's natural spirits, right?
Those are the ones.
Or American spirits.
cody tucker
American spirits, yeah.
joe rogan
But did you ever see that Russell Crowe movie, The Insider, where he plays the scientist?
cody tucker
Jeffrey Wigand.
joe rogan
Right.
Is that who the character was that he's playing?
cody tucker
That's who he's playing, yeah.
It's Jeffrey Wigand.
Yeah.
That's cool.
joe rogan
That is so crazy that they did that.
cody tucker
Yeah, that makes you so mad when you watch it.
You're like, you knew.
joe rogan
You knew and you tricked people by making it more addictive.
Like, with chemicals.
cody tucker
Yeah, look how much...
joe rogan
That's crazy.
cody tucker
Look how much sugar's in food.
joe rogan
But here's my...
Why is it okay to do that with cigarettes, but they would never be okay to do that with cheeseburgers?
If we found out that McDonald's was putting fentanyl in the cheeseburgers and made you come back and eat more cheeseburgers there, we'd be like, no fucking way.
That's crazy.
You're making it more addictive?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
You can't do that?
unidentified
The sugar that's in it, it does the same thing.
Sort of.
cody tucker
I mean, kind of?
joe rogan
Sort of.
Yeah, I would say it does.
But it doesn't...
I'm sorry, killing you.
Well, it kind of is.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
It kind of can.
It kind of can.
It's like very low-dose poison.
Essentially, if you have a very good diet and you occasionally have a quarter-pounder, you're going to live.
You know what I mean?
It's a low-dose poison.
Your body can filter out most of that stuff.
The real problem seems to be when it becomes the primary focus of what you eat.
Could you just get in a bunch of inflammation-causing bullshit that your body doesn't know how to get rid of?
Your body's like, what is this?
You're feeding me.
cody tucker
But God, it feels so good.
joe rogan
So good.
cody tucker
Jesus.
I mean, in the moment, it is.
That's heaven on earth.
joe rogan
I had a quarter pounder once a couple years ago, and I haven't had one.
If I do go to McDonald's, I always eat filet of fishes.
I love those fucking things.
unidentified
You do?
I love those things.
joe rogan
They're so good.
cody tucker
That's weird, man.
joe rogan
No, because I can't lie to myself and pretend that's a cheeseburger.
unidentified
You can lie and say that that's fish?
Yes.
joe rogan
That ain't fish.
It's a thing.
It's whatever it is.
It's a sweet bun and a delicious, salty, fish-like thing in the center with that tartar sauce.
It's just yummy.
I'm not trying to trick myself.
unidentified
You don't have to justify it to me.
joe rogan
I don't particularly like the taste of those kind of burgers.
I like a good snack.
unidentified
You can't go wrong, man.
cody tucker
It's the Chick-fil-A burgers.
joe rogan
You can't go wrong.
If you don't like them, I don't like you.
How about that?
unidentified
Do you like Whataburger?
joe rogan
It's okay.
cody tucker
It's horrible.
joe rogan
It's not.
People want to compare it to In-N-Out.
Like, Texas people get crazy.
Like, you're getting crazy.
This is how we had a civil war.
Like, you gotta look at things realistically.
cody tucker
Now, in that war, I'm taking the Whataburger people over the In-N-Out people.
joe rogan
For sure.
100%.
The In-N-Out people are not armed.
cody tucker
No, those Whataburger bubbas are...
joe rogan
I mean, they started out in the wrong state for guns.
That's the state that's telling people that if someone breaks into your house, you should flee.
You shouldn't tell them to get out and shoot them.
unidentified
Get out of your own house.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's his now.
joe rogan
You should gather up your child and run up the hill behind your house and flee and hope they don't shoot you in the back.
unidentified
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
It's like that piece of shit speechwriter.
cody tucker
Asa Carter?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's going to be nutty on both sides.
There's going to be nutty on the left and nutty on the right.
And it's up to us, which is like most people are just reasonable.
Reasonable, in the center, live and let live.
Have you had like an ethic for this country?
What are we about?
We're supposed to be about freedom, live and let live.
But the problem is the people on the far crazy screaming left and the people on the far crazy screaming right are all fucking losers.
And those fucking losers make you be connected with them and all their stupidity.
It poisons all the ideas that they agree with.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
On both sides.
cody tucker
And they're so much louder so you think there's more of them when in reality it's like, what, 5% probably of each side?
joe rogan
Exactly.
I don't even think it's 5%.
They're just the ones that are online all day long.
And then on top of that you get a bunch of people who are paid to do it.
So it's like, oh my god.
When you see tweets, like people get...
Busted all the time now, these air quotes influencers.
They'll tweet something, and then you'll see like 30 versions of the same tweet with the same wording.
Like, what is going on?
cody tucker
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Like, for now, forever, I'll never listen to you again.
cody tucker
That's amazing.
And there's, yeah.
joe rogan
On both sides.
cody tucker
That's so funny.
joe rogan
It's not a left-wing thing.
It's not a right-wing thing.
I see it with fucking everything.
It's like, there's like large-scale manipulation going on that's like really nuts to see.
I like it.
Did you see about that Reddit dead internet thing?
cody tucker
Reddit dead internet?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Jamie, do you know about this?
I believe it might be a lawsuit.
So this company used a bunch of chatbots.
I believe it was on Reddit.
I just sent it to someone.
I'll find it if you can't find it.
But I think...
I forget what the argument was about, but essentially they're getting in trouble for facilitating these fake arguments like as an experiment.
Oh.
cody tucker
That's wild.
joe rogan
For sure countries are doing that.
Reddit threatens to sue researchers who ran a dead internet AI experiment on its site.
Deeply raw on a both moral and legal level.
cody tucker
That's not good.
joe rogan
So this is what they did.
Changemyview is the subreddit.
Long been a contentious place for Reddit users to post an opinion and understand other people's perspective.
Forum filled with fiery but largely civil debates covering everything from the role of political activism.
To the dangers of social media and echo chambers.
Okay.
Lately, though, not every user posting on the forum has been a real human.
As 404 Media reported this week, University of Zurich researchers dispatched an army of...
Boy, Zurich?
That's not a good place to do it from, guys.
You shouldn't be involved in...
cody tucker
No, the Swiss are...
joe rogan
Look at you sketchy!
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Research dispatched an army of AI chatbots to debate human users on the subreddit in a secret experiment designed to investigate whether the tech could be used to change people's minds.
The optics were horrendous with bots claiming to be characters, including a survivor of sexual assault and a black man who opposes the Black Lives Matter movement.
Worse yet, the AI models scoured the post history of users they were applying to in order to be as convincing as possible.
Basically a formalized trial run of the dead internet theory that much of the internet is already...
You know about that theory?
cody tucker
Huh?
joe rogan
The AI dead internet theory.
So the idea is that AI becomes sentient and completely fakes the internet.
cody tucker
Fakes the internet?
joe rogan
Yeah, pull it up, Jamie.
jamie vernon
I don't know if it explained it in that article.
joe rogan
But there was a link in that article when it got to dead internet theory.
There was actually a link.
It was right there.
Where is it?
Scroll down a little bit.
No, it didn't have a link.
The link was actually about it passing the Turing test, which is, it already did.
cody tucker
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Which is...
jamie vernon
Goes back to 2016.
unidentified
Oh, did the internet die in 2016?
joe rogan
There's an online community who thinks so.
There's a lot of kooks, like people with schizophrenia, that get things right.
cody tucker
Yeah, that is kind of the problem, is they're not always wrong.
joe rogan
Well, eventually they're right.
Like, Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber...
You know, that guy, his whole thing was that technology was going to overtake the human race.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
And I think he's right.
cody tucker
Yeah, you know, he wasn't necessarily wrong.
He was just wrong to be blowing people up.
joe rogan
Oh, well, he was really fucked up.
Did you ever see the Netflix documentary where they go over his life when he was a baby, when they left him in the crib, and he never got touched for, like, months?
cody tucker
Which immediately...
Permanent damage.
unidentified
You're screwed.
joe rogan
You can't fix that.
cody tucker
Yeah.
That's how you get those wide eyes, you know, where that's how you tell someone's crazy.
joe rogan
And then he gets in the Harvard LSD studies where they humiliate him while he's on acid.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
Yeah, because he was part of the MKUltra.
unidentified
Like, he had that professor that was, like, recruiting impressionable but highly intelligent young men.
How crazy is that program?
cody tucker
MKUltra's wild.
unidentified
Wild.
cody tucker
That is one of the most interesting.
The CIA in general, this is a rabbit hole of just the craziest things I've ever seen.
But all the Manson stuff, which I'm...
Obsessed with Charles Manson.
So all that stuff is...
joe rogan
Oh, the Manson stuff's crazy.
The CIA stuff's not even a rabbit hole.
It's like one of them labyrinths that they find in Turkey.
Like 2,000 people could live underground.
You're like, who built this?
What the fuck is this?
How long has this been going on?
unidentified
Like the French catacombs where people get lost every day.
joe rogan
If you go down to the CIA rabbit hole, you'll find a city.
unidentified
Civilizations.
joe rogan
And then you have to think, okay, but also Russia has the same sort of operation going for Russia.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
Every country has them.
cody tucker
Yeah, everybody has the CIA, KGB.
So they have to exist.
Secret police, all that.
joe rogan
Let's all get rid of the CIA, and then what?
We get taken over completely by Russia and China?
It's like, slow down, everybody.
There's a nutty AI war going on right in front of your face.
You just haven't heard the bombs go off yet.
It's happening right now.
And if they pulled that off from the University of Zurich...
Which is kind of creepy.
That a university would do that, pretend to be a black guy who's against the Black Lives Matter movement and a woman who survived a sexual assault.
You're just making it up with AI chatbots?
This is fucking wild.
And just to see how people react.
What the fuck do you think is going to happen?
cody tucker
Or find somebody who actually is one of those people and then see how people react.
If that's what you want to do.
You don't have to...
Pretend to be one.
There are lots of people who would probably just volunteer and you could have a whole study, control group, you know, have the whole thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have to do it anonymously on the internet under false pretenses.
Like, you wouldn't have to do that.
cody tucker
Unless you're just wanting to have fun.
I mean, I guess that's their...
joe rogan
But the problem is, anytime you're doing a study with real people, they know they're in a study.
cody tucker
Yeah, what's that?
There's a law, like a...
Where, like, you can't...
Something about being observed, like, ruins the thing, whatever.
Like, it's part of, like, the...
I don't know.
I suck at science, but I think there's something...
joe rogan
Well, I don't even know if that's science.
I'm just talking about, like, humans.
Like, if people know they're being...
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
...watched as a part of a study...
cody tucker
Yeah, you behave completely differently.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're going to influence their behavior.
cody tucker
Well, it's just like if you get asked a question to be part of a survey, you're not answering that thing accurately.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
Even if it's anonymous.
Right.
Just because you know that your answer is going to make you look maybe a little bit bad, you'll church up your answer a little.
Maybe not outright lie, but if it asks you, how many drinks do you have a week?
You're not telling them the exact amount.
You're not counting them up.
You're going, six to eight.
joe rogan
Yeah, this uncertainty is why I think we're super vulnerable.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because this uncertainty is why we're going to be very vulnerable.
Excuse me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sorry.
unidentified
We're going to be really vulnerable to...
joe rogan
Any sort of electronic bridge that they start using, like whether it's a wearable or an implant that lets you legitimately read minds.
Which I fucking think is in our lifetime.
cody tucker
God, I hope not.
joe rogan
It's so scary, dude, because we'll give it up to know the truth.
People will give it up to know the truth.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, think about how much of your data you give just so that you can Google things.
Think of how much money they make off of your data and giving out your email address and all the fucking spam texts that you get every day, all the chaos.
You gave that up.
cody tucker
Yeah, I blindly give it up.
joe rogan
Easy just for free internet.
Just for free Google.
cody tucker
Yeah, I give it up.
I don't give a damn.
I just give it all up.
joe rogan
Everybody does.
But imagine like what Google would cost.
Like if Google was a pay thing and the only way you could ever know anything about what's going on in the world.
You have to search it.
Every search engine costs money.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, whoa.
But instead, you get this free value, but wouldn't you rather not pay?
Of course.
But what if you paid for it, and then they couldn't use any of your data ever, and it was a totally honest relationship, and you're not allowed to curate the information either.
You just have to put out the information as it exists online.
Right, right.
We gave up privacy.
We gave up our data, and we didn't even think about it.
We didn't even know it was a thing that we were giving up.
And then, we're going to give up.
Sentience.
We're going to fucking be connected to the hive mind.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really think so.
cody tucker
Yeah, because it's weird, like, with the, you know, online, like, data privacy.
Like, you don't really know what it is that you're giving up.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
It's not like normal privacy where, like, if somebody asks, like, hey, can I take a picture of your driver's license?
You'd say, no.
What are you talking about?
No, you can't.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
But they can get the majority of that information through, you know, they can track, you know, get your address, get your, they can find out.
Even more information about you through giving up your privacy, like data privacy.
But we don't have a list of what they're getting.
I mean, I guess you do if you read that whole damn thing, but who's reading that?
Right.
joe rogan
Nobody reads that shit.
Somebody told me there was something, we might have to edit this out if it's not true, but somebody told me there's something fucked up about Google's terms and whatever terms apply.
With a thing that you have to agree to?
That it has something in there that you'll agree to mediation?
cody tucker
To mediation?
joe rogan
Yeah, like in case of some sort of a dispute, a legal dispute.
You've agreed to mediation, so you're not going to sue them.
cody tucker
So you can't really...
Yeah, like whenever you get hired at a new job, they have those kinds of clauses.
Yeah, yeah.
That's so weird.
joe rogan
If it's true.
cody tucker
Yeah, it would.
joe rogan
But we need to find out if it's true.
Somebody was telling it to me, and I was like, wait, what?
Yeah, that sounds insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Acceptance required by applicable law, mediation is voluntary, and neither you nor Google are obligated to settle disputes through mediation.
cody tucker
What the hell does that mean?
jamie vernon
I don't know the context in which you were told it, because this is for developers.
joe rogan
I said Uber.
jamie vernon
I thought you said Google, I thought.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Uber.
cody tucker
Oh, okay, okay.
joe rogan
Uber.
I'm sorry.
I probably mumbled.
unidentified
Uber.
joe rogan
Okay.
Uber's terms of service include a binding arbitration clause, meaning users agree to resolve disputes through arbitration rather than in court.
This arbitration is individual and non-consolidated, meaning you can't join with others in a class action suit.
Uber also limits its liability and states that drivers are independent contractors, not employees.
If you have a dispute, you can try to resolve it through mediation, but it may ultimately be resolved through arbitration.
cody tucker
That's wild.
Jesus.
joe rogan
That's kind of wild.
It's like we have our own rules.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Our laws.
No, no, no.
Forget about the laws of the land.
No, you agree to a legal contract.
That's like very sneaky.
cody tucker
Very.
joe rogan
Because if there's like laws, if we have laws to prevent fraud and laws to prevent negligence, we have those for companies.
And you're a company.
Like, no, we're not.
We're not even a company.
These people, they're independent contractors.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
Oh, you have no liability at all and you make all the money.
What a great deal.
Who did you pay?
Who did you fucking pay off to get that sweetheart of a deal?
cody tucker
Yeah, and also, how many people know what arbitration is?
Because I'll be honest.
I don't know what it is.
I was just kind of going with everything.
joe rogan
Sounds scary if you've got to go through arbitration.
cody tucker
I could not explain to you what arbitration is.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
cody tucker
I just kind of agreed with everything.
joe rogan
Well, I think essentially they're saying that you have to have a conversation with them outside of like a judge and jury ruling.
You know what I mean?
Like we have to have some sort of mediation.
I think that's what they're saying.
I could be wrong.
cody tucker
Well, I'm sure that's in your best interest.
That's wild.
joe rogan
The thing about Uber is if they're just private contractors, then it becomes like, okay, what is your responsibility to screen these private contractors?
Because some of these people might be psychos and you're a woman and you get in the car with someone who hasn't been vetted and they're a psycho.
jamie vernon
I'm wondering if this has to do with...
joe rogan
Where is it based?
On the moon?
jamie vernon
I'm talking about the laws of the Netherlands.
joe rogan
The Netherlands?
That would be a good move.
You've got to start somewhere where the Nazis rolled through with fucking tanks.
cody tucker
Yeah, it's either that or Luxembourg, whichever one you want.
joe rogan
Did the Nazis get to Netherlands?
jamie vernon
He keeps talking about Amsterdam and Netherlands.
cody tucker
Well, yeah, that's where Anne Frank.
That's right.
jamie vernon
Vienna Convention.
joe rogan
That's right.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Vienna Convention on the International Sale of Goods shall not apply.
Okay.
Except as was set forth in these terms, these terms shall be exclusively governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.
Excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.
What does that mean?
cody tucker
I don't...
joe rogan
That's a weird thing to say.
cody tucker
This may as well be Portuguese as far as I'm concerned.
joe rogan
In accordance with the laws of the Netherlands, excluding its rules on conflicts of laws.
jamie vernon
I have an idea.
cody tucker
So conflicts of laws...
joe rogan
What do you think it is, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I should copy and paste this into, like, Grok or Chai GPT.
unidentified
Oh, no.
Explain this to an American.
joe rogan
We're going down so many rabbit holes.
jamie vernon
Explain this to an American, please.
joe rogan
Kids use Uber so much, man, that, like, a small percentage, comparative to the past, of kids are getting their drivers.
unidentified
Good.
jamie vernon
You're probably right.
cody tucker
Perfectly fine with that.
joe rogan
Is Grok your favorite to use?
jamie vernon
What do you like to use most?
I have to go.
I honestly think you have to test them all when you're asking a question you really want the answer to.
cody tucker
It's very responsible.
jamie vernon
They give you varying responses.
I had a ChatGPT lie to me yesterday four times in a row.
joe rogan
Look how quick this is.
Let me break this down for an American audience in plain language.
cody tucker
It's insane.
joe rogan
This selection of a contrast explains...
See, this is what I'm saying.
Like, if it's already happened...
If AI has already taken over, we've already agreed by the timing of your book, the synchronicity is real, and that maybe the simulation is real.
And then if it's going to be simulated, it's not going to be simulated by a bunch of people.
It's going to be simulated by artificial intelligence.
cody tucker
No, there'd be way more mistakes if it was people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dutch law applies.
The contract governed by the laws of the Netherlands, not U.S. law.
This means Dutch legal principles will guide how the contract is interpreted except for conflicts of laws, rules, which deal with choosing which country's laws apply.
Oh, that's what it is.
Also, an international treaty called the Vienna Convention, which covers sales of goods, doesn't apply here.
So essentially they're saying, like, we go by the Netherlands laws.
If you have different laws in the United States, go pound sand.
Those don't matter.
This is in the Netherlands.
Your lawsuit's here.
jamie vernon
It also probably depends on what happened.
Like, if it's a speed limit thing, you go by the rules of the speed limit.
But if it's something about, you know, interpersonal, the driver and the...
joe rogan
Don't you think that if you do business in a particular country, you'd have to follow the laws of that country?
Doesn't that just...
cody tucker
You would think, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm not even trying to be unreasonable here.
Maybe they're better in the Netherlands.
Maybe they're more fair.
I don't know.
It's not even like a value judgment.
I don't know.
Maybe they are.
Maybe they just want the best for their customers.
So they say, you know what?
If they really want to sue the fuck out of us and win, we really should do it in the Netherlands.
Maybe.
unidentified
Perhaps.
Isn't that where the Hague is in the Netherlands, right?
Is it?
cody tucker
You know, where the world, like, what do you call it, crimes against humanity, like war crimes is all in the Hague.
unidentified
Yeah.
Ooh.
cody tucker
I don't know if that means anything.
joe rogan
I don't know if it means anything either.
But I would imagine if you're doing business in China, you're not allowed to say, yeah, but U.S. rules only.
unidentified
So if you want to sue us, it's like, you gotta fucking sue us in Alabama.
joe rogan
They'd be like, fuck you.
We'll sue you right here.
Sit your ass down.
What are you talking about?
cody tucker
You're in our place.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're doing business in China.
You get sued in China, motherfucker.
cody tucker
You should always, no matter what...
Wherever you are, you've got to follow those laws.
I mean, how is that not?
joe rogan
That seems super reasonable.
cody tucker
Seems like it.
joe rogan
It seems like you shouldn't be able to avoid that by, like, setting up shop in some fucking dictatorship somewhere, you know?
Like, you're homies with some guy who's a dictator, and you're like, bro, you want to make some money together?
We'll incorporate in your country.
Let's fucking raise some cash.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all very weird.
It's very weird.
But the driverless car thing might be even weirder because that's a solution out of it.
Like, man, I don't trust these Uber drivers.
They're sketchy, man.
Good.
Get in one of those fucking robot cars.
cody tucker
The Waymos.
joe rogan
Yeah, get in one of those Waymos where you can't even bribe it, okay?
The government's trying to get you and they have a setup for you.
Bro, change of plans.
This is what I want you to do.
I'm going to give you $500.
You're going to drive me to Ohio.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like, you could do that.
Like, if the government's after you, and you're in a fucking Uber driver, and the guy's cool, you go, listen, dude, I'm gonna make this worth your while.
It's a four-hour drive, four hours back.
cody tucker
Yeah, how do you do that to a Waymo?
joe rogan
You don't.
You don't.
They get you.
They shut the car off.
They lock the doors.
jamie vernon
And you're locked into the Uber contract problem.
joe rogan
Waymo's partnered with Uber.
unidentified
Oh, I know, because I was going to get in one yesterday.
cody tucker
I was like, I haven't been in Austin in a long time.
I used to come down here a lot in high school or whatever, you know, sneak into bars and whatnot.
I saw these Waymos like, what the hell is this thing?
I've never heard of this.
Didn't know this existed.
And I see it like driving around, nobody driving.
unidentified
Weird.
cody tucker
I do not like this at all.
But immediately downloaded the Uber and Waymo app because I was like, well, let me just get one to take me up to like 6th Street or something.
joe rogan
Did you get in?
cody tucker
No.
joe rogan
No?
cody tucker
No, I chickened out.
I just don't think.
Because what if it just doesn't want to take me there?
Like what if something happens where he's like, you know what I would like to do?
Take you down 35 at about 90 miles an hour.
In the wrong lane.
joe rogan
What if my front camera goes out and I can't see what's in front of me and I just start plowing into other cars?
I'm not saying that that's going to happen or whatever will happen.
I'm sure there's a bunch of backup cameras.
Don't get me wrong.
But it just sketches me out.
Although I do think it's inevitable.
cody tucker
Yeah, I looked it up.
There's only been one fatality.
Involving one, and it wasn't even their fault.
It was a driverless one where someone rear-ended the Waymo.
So I was like, well...
joe rogan
They seem pretty safe.
In terms of the way they drive, too.
They drive real slow and steady, and they're easy to avoid.
cody tucker
I can see you taking one just going around a neighborhood or something.
You're never going above 30 miles an hour.
Getting on the interstate in one of these things.
joe rogan
Imagine if you could show this to Ted Kaczynski.
Get them away from me!
cody tucker
He's like, I was right!
unidentified
I was right!
joe rogan
They're coming to get us!
God, back to my cabin.
We are allowing them to come to get us.
We're paying for them.
We're psyched.
Whoa, this is cool.
I'm guilty of it.
I have a Tesla that does auto-driving.
unidentified
You go, doot-doot.
joe rogan
You turn this button on, and it fucking stops.
It stops, signs, hits its blinkers, goes around stuff.
It's crazy.
cody tucker
Do you use it?
joe rogan
Very rarely.
cody tucker
Okay.
joe rogan
It weirds me out.
But I do sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I've done it, like, I have it driven me home three or four times.
Just like, doo-doo.
Just like, this is crazy.
Just because it's weird.
You know, but I'm always, my hands are close.
You know, I'm never, like, looking at my phone or anything like that.
That's crazy.
cody tucker
I would trust that.
Like, if you're just sitting in there and, like, kind of...
You could take control if need be.
joe rogan
But that's the bridge, bro.
cody tucker
Yeah, I don't like a bridge.
joe rogan
That's the bridge to transhumanism.
cody tucker
I think we all need to stay in our separate room.
No bridges.
joe rogan
I agree, but I think we're going.
I think we are the last of these kind of people.
And then the people from now on will be personally, physically integrated with some kind of electronics.
cody tucker
Yeah, I don't like that one bit.
I'm too much of an acoustic type fella.
I can't be.
joe rogan
I think there's so much wild genetic stuff going on right now that they're going to change what it means to be a person within our lifetime.
There was a thing in China.
See if you can find this.
Do you know what a tardigrade is?
cody tucker
No.
joe rogan
Tardigrades are these really weird, little, almost insect-looking things that are unbelievably durable.
They're tiny, microscopic little fuckers.
cody tucker
Yeah, they call them like something bears or something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What do they call them?
What kind of bears?
jamie vernon
Water bears.
cody tucker
Water bears, yeah.
joe rogan
So these little fuckers can survive forever in space.
For whatever reason they go into like hibernation in space like and they think there's some of them from the Japanese lunar lander that are actually on the moon They think tardigrades are on the moon and that they're like in a suspended state of animation And that if you brought them back the United States, they'd kick back in and be alive again That's how crazy these are weird.
So there was this Chinese experiment where they're integrating tardigrade DNA into human DNA That's a good idea.
cody tucker
There's nothing that could ever go wrong with doing that.
joe rogan
But what happens if someone develops a bulletproof, immortal human that literally lives forever unless it gets hit with a meteor?
That's not outside of what's possible, man.
They developed, or they were developing...
See if you can find that first before I make you Google this.
But they were trying to develop some sort of bulletproof human skin using spider silk.
That makes sense.
cody tucker
Like Kevlar's spider silk.
joe rogan
But your own skin.
cody tucker
Oh.
joe rogan
Like with gene splicing.
cody tucker
I don't like that.
The gene splicing thing.
unidentified
Gene editing.
cody tucker
Like that movie.
I don't know if you ever saw that with A.J. and Brody.
unidentified
I did.
joe rogan
Ooh, that was crazy.
cody tucker
It's a great movie, but just seeing it, that's what my mind immediately goes to, is him banging this thing with its dragon wings.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing was sick.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was kind of a goofy movie.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It wasn't like, wow, I would really believe that was happening.
cody tucker
No, it was Schindler's List or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was kind of goofy, but it was fun.
I liked it, yeah.
And it was just very strange, you know, because you go, okay, I could kind of see that happening.
cody tucker
For sure.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, that's kind of what a lot of that is.
I just...
What was that?
CRISPR?
You remember that thing?
That was a talking point.
joe rogan
Well, they have CRISPR too now, which is even more effective apparently.
jamie vernon
This was made by an artist.
joe rogan
Bulletproof skin is made of goat milk.
No, this isn't it.
cody tucker
Goat milk.
joe rogan
No, there was...
What's that?
jamie vernon
Lab-grown skin.
Reinforced spider silk can stop bullets, but when you go to what it actually is...
joe rogan
Oh, so it's bullshit?
jamie vernon
It's not bullshit, but it's just, you know, it's someone sort of explaining things differently.
cody tucker
I mean...
joe rogan
I thought there was a study about human skin.
jamie vernon
That's what I think that they were trying to say.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's like a bullshit headline in this story?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
jamie vernon
Back from 2018 is when this...
joe rogan
Did you find anything in the tardigrade thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah, and it had...
They were explaining what it did.
So there's...
It showed that there was a clean transfer.
New cells function normally.
joe rogan
But also demonstrate increased rate of cell growth.
jamie vernon
They're trying to make them immune to radiation, is what the idea was.
joe rogan
They're making super people, man.
They're making X-Men.
That is so crazy.
cody tucker
That is wild.
joe rogan
They're going to put fucking tardigrade genes into humans.
cody tucker
God, that makes me so uncomfortable.
joe rogan
They may create super soldiers.
What the fuck?
So, okay, China has already done these genetic experiments on babies that are supposed to inoculate them to HIV, but also somehow increase their intelligence.
And the guy got in trouble, and they said, you're bad.
You shouldn't have done that research that we paid you to do.
And so they put him in jail for a couple of years, probably played golf, and then now he's out.
That happened.
And that's just what we know about publicly.
If they were making Super Soldiers, by the time we hear about it, there's probably some mountain in China that has an underground base, just like we have, just like Area 51. They have some base carved to the side of a mountain, and they're doing wild shit over there.
cody tucker
Where Jared Leto lives, or whatever it is.
joe rogan
He lives in the LA one.
He lives in the one that's connected to the music scene in Laurel Canyon.
You know, because it's all like, you know, the whole music scene has like weird intelligence agency roots.
cody tucker
The Little Canyon thing is strange.
Crazy!
Yeah, yeah, with all those people like Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, well, maybe not Neil Young, but like, yeah, a lot of those artists had like big Vietnam.
joe rogan
Too many connections.
cody tucker
Yeah, and Jim Morrison's dad started Vietnam.
unidentified
Yes.
cody tucker
I mean, that's...
joe rogan
Jim Morrison's dad was like a serious military man.
cody tucker
Yeah, he was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's one of those things where it's like...
You first hear about that one, and we go, what?
Get out of here.
But then you hear, well, no.
It's not like these artists didn't exist, but why did they become famous?
Why did they get promoted?
What was it about?
Do you think it's like a psychology?
Because take a guy...
In the Laurel Canyon scene, like Hendrix.
Like, you can't make a Hendrix accidentally.
Or you can't make a Jim Morrison.
Even though his dad was like, there's something about that guy.
The way he sang, just the way it felt when he was on stage.
He was a star, man.
I don't think you could turn a person who isn't that into that.
cody tucker
No, not even close.
No, no.
You can pump up, like...
You can't really pump up a rock star.
joe rogan
Right.
You can make a boy band.
cody tucker
Yeah, you can make a boy band.
You can, you know, make Ariana Grande out of clay and send her ass out up there.
joe rogan
You can't make Bob Dylan.
cody tucker
God, no.
You can't do that.
Yeah, you can't do that to Jim Morrison.
You can't do that to, like, a lot of those.
Like, an actual rock star is just, that's like a flash in the pan.
Like, it happened.
We don't know how it happened.
joe rogan
You know, there's no way.
I shouldn't say no way.
But I don't think the intelligence agencies can, like, get a guy and train him to be that.
cody tucker
No, you could, like, take a budding scene and pump it up.
But that scene's already there.
Like, it was already going to exist.
Like, it already was existing.
I mean, there was, like, the beatnik stuff in New York that was already happening way before any of this.
And they were just kind of the next generation of that.
Just the West Coast version.
But, you know, there's...
Like, that's all...
That was already there.
So, yeah, if you want to say there's, like, a conspiracy that they pumped it up and, like...
Put more money into, like, marketing their music to make sure that those artists' music got sold more and played on the radio more, like kind of a payola sort of thing.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
I mean, that could be...
I don't know that it happened, but...
joe rogan
I know.
It's confusing, right?
Because you want to draw conclusions, but then you've got to go, okay, you can't invent Janis Joplin.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You can't make that in a lab.
No.
Like, you know, when she's singing Peace of My Heart, you know, like...
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
You just, like, that is either...
That's like...
God just kissed her with this talent.
You can't, like, engineer that, I don't think.
I don't think.
cody tucker
There's no way.
joe rogan
But if they could do that, they could manipulate all of reality.
cody tucker
Well, if they could do that, then they should probably do another one.
Because Jesus Christ.
I mean, the amount of times, dude, that I've seen, like, people on TV that are supposed to be these, like, massively famous artists, I'm like, I don't know who any of these people are.
And I'm, like, in the age where I should still know who all these people are.
Like, I'm pretty young, but, like...
Yeah, I don't know who they are, and they all sound horrible.
Like, I don't...
Like, this is the proof of there being some simulation where we're all just, like, listening to the same.
But I wonder if people thought that about every damn genre of music.
joe rogan
I think they did, but I think there's something particularly lost about this current generation because of social media.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because of what we were talking about with those chatbots arguing with each other, and...
We know for sure that happens all over Twitter and Instagram.
There's a lot of bot accounts.
I think people are super confused as to what's a real thing.
What's real?
What resonates?
What's cool?
What's being promoted and artificially astroturfed and what's just fucking cool or draws people into it?
And it's harder to tell now.
It's tricky.
cody tucker
Well, it also seems like there isn't...
Because, like, you know, you go back to, let's say, like the 60s, and you think, like, okay, late 60s, this is the time of, like, you know, Hendrix and, like, the Rolling Stones, the Sgt. Pepper, like, these are, like, the highly influential experimental musicians.
joe rogan
Eric Clapton.
cody tucker
Yeah, Cream.
Cream was, like, you know, hadn't broken up yet.
They broke up in, like, 70. But like the number one song in like 1969 or one of them was, you know, Sugar Sugar by the Archies.
It's like one of the most mainstream bubblegum pop songs ever.
It's like there was all, but those like Hendrix and stuff were still there.
Like it was in the zeitgeist.
It was still popular.
But now it's like those types of people are nowhere to even be found.
And it's all just the Sugar Sugar.
joe rogan
Interesting.
But there's still a lot of really good bands now.
The whole music business is weird because you don't sell anything anymore other than tickets to come see people.
But yet, there's still a giant industry that is involved in promoting and taking these artists and essentially locking them up to these deals.
cody tucker
Well, yeah, because you get the ticket money.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they get the ticket money now, and that's the thing that the music companies didn't used to get.
cody tucker
Exactly.
So, yeah, you still are going to market, distribute the way that you would have in the past, but now you're just getting your slice of cake from a different – you're getting it from a different area than you used to.
But you're still pumping them out, pumping them up.
For the same reason, ultimately, to make money.
It's just you're getting it in a different way.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is that now a bunch of people are emerging that aren't doing any of that stuff.
You got, like, your title and the creator type dudes.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Completely disconnected from that system.
Makes his own music.
Makes his own...
He's...
The creator of his own domain.
And you don't need all those people.
And so you have this weird thing happening now where you have a lot of, like, astroturf stuff.
A lot of stuff that's just, like, thrown out there to try to get people to link.
It sounds like stuff that people like and it's created.
But you still have a lot more opportunity for legit artists to just...
Like, Zach Bryant just emerged from, like, TikTok clips or whatever they were.
cody tucker
Yeah, right, right, right.
joe rogan
YouTube clips.
cody tucker
Yeah, there's always going to be the ones who come out in, like, the indie way, you know, of, like, what Tarantino was for, like, movies, you know?
Like, come out, like, I'm doing this all on my own, and, like, there's always going to be those people.
I just think it seems like there's not a lot of those.
joe rogan
Yeah, but when they break through, it fucking means something.
cody tucker
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, Oliver Anthony.
cody tucker
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you want to hear his new song and we can't play it on the show?
Sure.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
How about this?
Everybody at home will be right back.
That's what I'm talking about.
cody tucker
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
cody tucker
Dude.
joe rogan
See?
unidentified
That's...
joe rogan
Jesus.
That exists, right?
So in the middle of all this honey, honey, sugar, sugar shit that you're saying today, there's still...
There's still Oliver Anthony.
There's still people out there that are legit.
They're legit.
There's a bunch, man.
There's a lot.
There's just a lot of noise.
cody tucker
Yes, true.
And I think I also just don't try to find things as much.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't like...
Pursue it the way I probably should.
Because in my head, I just have this bias of like, if it came out in the last 20 years, I don't care.
joe rogan
It's hard to find stuff.
I get suggestions from a lot of my friends.
That's some of the best songs.
But also, Spotify has a really good...
I know I work for Spotify.
But for real, their suggestion thing is legit.
cody tucker
It's amazing.
joe rogan
The algorithm's very good.
It's legit.
It knows the kind of vibe you're into.
cody tucker
Yeah, I agree.
Because I'll put in just some random playlists, or in my head think of, well, what do I want to hear right now?
unidentified
How about 70s Garage Rock?
cody tucker
And I'll just put that in, and there's all this amazing stuff.
It'll have some deep cuts from The Stones, which is one of my favorite bands, and just all this other stuff that I've never heard before, but it all came out around that time, has the same sound.
There's never a miss on that whole list of 200 songs.
This is incredible.
joe rogan
There's some great playlists.
That's what's interesting, too, about people curating their own playlists.
There's a bunch of my friends that'll give me their playlists.
Tony gave me one of his playlists the other day.
I was like, God damn, this is fucking legit.
A bunch of cool shit that I never heard before.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I make playlists all the time.
That's one of my favorite things to do is a hobby is to make playlists for people.
I love it.
unidentified
If they tell me, like, oh, I'm...
cody tucker
Like, want to know more songs that sound like this.
I'll be like, gotcha.
I'll make you a playlist and send it to you.
I love doing stuff like that for people.
joe rogan
Yeah, I only have one playlist, but it's like 39 hours long.
cody tucker
Well, that's pretty good.
I mean, how much do you really need?
joe rogan
It's ridiculous, though, to try to find songs in it.
I have to use the search bar.
I can never just scroll down.
There's too many of them.
cody tucker
I have probably 40 playlists that I've made.
Yeah, because I do them by like decades, and then I'll do genres within decades.
joe rogan
Oh, man, you're fucking super specific.
cody tucker
Well, I'm just like slightly autistic.
How much?
joe rogan
What percent?
cody tucker
Oh, gotta be.
55, 56. Like, enough to where I can, like, you know, I can function.
joe rogan
Do you smell math?
unidentified
No.
cody tucker
See, when it comes to that, I don't have any of that autism.
I just have the weird, like, I can't handle too many sounds autism.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
cody tucker
Yeah, no, I can't handle a lot of stimulus, and then I make playlists or do jigsaw puzzles.
joe rogan
Hmm.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or read 24-7 and look up random.
Yeah, bullshit.
joe rogan
That's the superpower of it, right?
cody tucker
I think so.
I mean, yeah, I'm glad I have, you know.
I don't know if I'm really autistic, but if I am, I'm glad I have.
joe rogan
Well, are you self-diagnosed?
cody tucker
Of course.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
cody tucker
I'm self-diagnosed, right?
joe rogan
You are a doctor, though, right?
Yeah.
Sure.
cody tucker
I mean, as much as, you know.
joe rogan
I'm guilty as charged.
I've self-diagnosed myself with ADHD.
unidentified
Yeah, but you...
cody tucker
But you know yourself better than anybody else.
So you should be able to self-diagnose yourself.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think necessarily ADHD is even totally real.
I think it's one of those things for people that just think differently and they're fucking bored as shit and they can't pay attention to stuff that sucks.
unidentified
Well, and there probably is some disorder in it.
cody tucker
But to like...
Because I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that there is like a thing, but to say that it's like a disorder and that it's negative and that it needs to be treated is different.
Like I don't think ADHD necessarily needs to be treated.
It just needs to be like funneled.
joe rogan
It's only a disorder because we have a very rigid civilization.
So we don't live in accordance to the way our bodies were designed.
Our bodies were designed to be hunter-gatherers.
That's the reality.
That's the reality because it takes so long to become a hunter and gatherer and it took like hundreds of thousands of years for us to be good at it.
And we've only been living in civilization for a little tiny little blink of time.
So our fucking programming is all not to sit still all day, not to stare at a fucking teacher, not to be bored memorizing shit.
Our old thing is like be active, do something, learn, get excited about something.
We have like an entire forgotten group of people that have so much energy and they have all these interests that are not what you're...
Dulling them down with all day long.
And they could learn in a way better manner by just like participating in things.
And yeah, reading stuff as well.
But having a teacher that actually is enthusiastic about it where it gets you excited about it.
Like not having to sit down all day.
You're fucking 10. You want to run.
You want to play with your friends.
You want to have fun.
And you sit there.
And by the end of the day, you're like, ugh, I hate school.
Because it's fucking boring.
cody tucker
Yeah, school sucks.
Like school ruins.
Everything.
It ruins the natural love of learning that I think most humans have.
It's ruined by schools.
Because, one, you're there way longer than you should be.
There's no reason a kid should be in school for eight hours, nine hours sometimes.
Why would an eight-year-old need to be in school that long?
joe rogan
It's a real good question.
cody tucker
It doesn't make any sense.
What are you teaching a ten-year-old?
In eight hours.
joe rogan
That they're going to remember.
cody tucker
Yeah, and also, you don't have to have recess.
You don't have to have all these extra things.
You can shorten all this down, make it more streamlined, and have kids home.
It's just to prepare people for a nine-to-five.
And so many households have both parents working, so it's like, well, it is kind of nice to not have a babysitter.
You just send your kid to school and have your kid be a latchkey kid, like I was.
joe rogan
Like I was, too.
Yeah, that was a normal thing back then.
No one thought twice about letting your kids just go outside.
Like all the kids in the neighborhood, we all grew up like that.
We all would just go over each other's houses.
We'd just come home from school, nobody's home, you had a key.
cody tucker
Yeah, I would just come in and...
Sort of like playing guitar or something.
I mean, I didn't go around the neighborhood.
It was a lot of meth labs.
A lot of fully functioning meth labs.
joe rogan
You lived in meth labs when you were a kid?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
No shit, dude.
cody tucker
Fully functioning.
joe rogan
Where'd you live?
cody tucker
Well, East Texas, which is...
joe rogan
Don't, you know, don't have to say, don't rat anybody out.
cody tucker
Don't get the address.
joe rogan
There's some meth head right now.
unidentified
It's like, the motherfucker!
I remember him!
joe rogan
I'm gonna fucking find him!
cody tucker
Well, they've actually all kind of blown themselves up since then.
joe rogan
Funny how that works.
cody tucker
Yeah, it's a...
Yeah, nature really has a way to take care of itself, you know?
joe rogan
That is such a crazy decision to make.
I'm going to cook meth in a trailer.
cody tucker
Yeah, one blew up.
Like, the one next to my house blew up not that long ago.
Like, I was just asleep.
I thought I heard a shotgun and looked and there was just fire.
And I was like, what is this?
joe rogan
I'm imagining a slow-mo of the trailer blowing up with that Oliver Anthony song playing in the background.
cody tucker
Yeah, you wouldn't be far off.
unidentified
Boom!
cody tucker
Yeah, it's pretty close.
joe rogan
Yeah, meth labs are known.
They are known to go up badly.
cody tucker
Yeah, it was not a neighborhood that you go ride bikes around and play and stuff like that.
joe rogan
But because you're cooking meth and you're on meth.
Yeah.
And even if you're not on meth, you're in contact with it all the time, so you're probably getting at least a skin high.
cody tucker
Well, and they're not using, like, you know...
High-grade equipment.
I mean, they're wearing, like, you know, some, like, cheap gloves, maybe.
I mean, most of it's barehanded, you know.
They're like old-school hat makers, you know, that would get mercury poisoning and go crazy.
joe rogan
What's really crazy is that we look at that and we say, that is so nuts that people take meth.
Why would you do that?
And yet, what percentage of kids today are on Adderall?
unidentified
Which is the exact same thing, just a slow release, a delayed release meth.
joe rogan
What percentage, if you had a guess?
cody tucker
I mean, it's probably lower than we think, because in my head I think it's like 40%, but it's probably about 15%.
If I'm really guessing, like trying to win some money.
joe rogan
God, that's a lot.
cody tucker
That's still a lot.
That's still so many kids.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
More than 1 out of 10. And that's so crazy.
That's just the idea of that.
It's so nuts.
They're all on meth.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's an ADHD thing, right?
They give it to you when you have ADHD.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you had ADHD medication when I was a kid, I would have run through – I would have taken my clothes off and ran through the woods.
cody tucker
Well, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I'd be like, ah!
cody tucker
Well, what's crazy is it just turns kids into a zombie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
Like, it's – It's so sad.
Like, I used to work in a pharmacy for a long time, and just seeing, like, how many parents are coming in there and giving their kids, and their kids just, like, zonked out.
They look like they're in one floor of the cuckoo's nest, you know?
And they're just like, oh, here's my kid.
This, like, high-level amount of, you know, Ritalin or whatever, Vyvanse, you know, Adderall.
Like, it is wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's spooky.
cody tucker
It was a party drug.
joe rogan
It's spooky that you can get a doctor to tell you that's cool, too.
As long as the doctor tells you it's okay.
Yeah, he needs that.
Oh, great.
Look, we got medication for him.
We're gonna be fine.
Little Billy's gonna be fine.
Because you come home from school, from work, rather, your feet hurt, you fucking sit down, take your shoes off, the kid's fucking sword fighting with his brother in the middle of the living room, like, hey, you gotta stop.
You gotta listen to me.
Hey, you little fucker!
You're so tired.
Your ankle hurts.
You can't get up.
You're like, medicate this little motherfucker.
Medicate him.
cody tucker
Yeah, because it's easy to do.
And you have a doctor telling you it's okay, so that immediately gives you some reassurance.
Why would a medical professional tell me this is okay?
joe rogan
He's a medical professional, and he gives me my medication, which allows me to get through my day as well.
That's that great Rolling Stones song.
Remember that?
Mother's Little Helper?
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it's called, right?
cody tucker
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Great fucking song.
cody tucker
Running for the shelter.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that was the Valium days, right?
Was that what it was?
cody tucker
Well, yeah.
I mean, I don't know if they didn't necessarily call it that, but there was like speed and Valium.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
Like an upper and a downer.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
You know, you take the upper to get all your chores done as a housewife, and then you take the downer so you didn't kill your kids.
joe rogan
They prescribed those to people like candy.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Forever.
And then they figured out that Valium is like super addictive, right?
cody tucker
Yeah, I think they legitimately didn't know back then.
unidentified
Oh yeah, for sure.
cody tucker
Any excuse after that, you're out of your mind.
Like, the Oxycontin, you know, and all that.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
They knew about Oxycontin.
They knew that was essentially heroin.
I mean, that's one of the great moments in that Peter Berg docu-series on Netflix, docudrama series, where the guy is breaking it down to him.
The doctor's breaking it down to him.
When the hot girl comes in, she's pitching that stuff, and he's like, you're selling heroin.
This is exactly the same thing as heroin.
You tell him I should put my patients on heroin?
What are you doing?
Like, you know, the lone ethical doctor in the, you know, fucking shitty little house that he lives in.
cody tucker
Yeah, because he doesn't make the big money.
joe rogan
Because he doesn't make the big money because he's a good guy.
Which is, like, unfortunately not unrealistic.
cody tucker
No, that's how it is.
unidentified
Because if you prescribe it, they give you, you know, a $500 gift card to, you know, a steakhouse.
cody tucker
They'll, you know, they'll buy you a new car.
joe rogan
Well, all that stuff's nuts.
You know, like with a certain amount of vaccines, if 60% of your patients or more are vaccinated, you get a larger incentive.
So you're like pushing it.
The whole thing is nuts.
cody tucker
It's nuts that that's legal.
Incentivizing anything...
joe rogan
Medical.
cody tucker
Medical is...
I mean, why are you doing that?
joe rogan
Dude, there was a guy that got arrested.
I forget how many patients it was, but he was an oncologist and he was giving people chemotherapy that didn't have cancer.
Because chemotherapy is very profitable.
So this piece of shit was telling people that they had cancer and then giving them fucking chemotherapy just for money.
cody tucker
That sucks.
There's a special place in hell for that.
joe rogan
And it was like a bunch of people.
And I think he had some insane excuse when they asked.
You know that you eat what you kill?
You know that philosophy that they kind of have in medical school?
Like you have to do surgeries because that's how you get your money.
Yep.
I thought you were fixing folks.
I didn't think this is all about you making money.
That's crazy.
And the fact that they incentivize you to do that.
So a pharmaceutical drug company can incentivize you to push their stuff.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Whoa!
cody tucker
Yeah, to push their medicine over another medicine, even though their medicine might have worse side effects or maybe not even be the exact right one.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
I'm on a couple pharmaceuticals.
joe rogan
What are you on?
cody tucker
Effexor.
And I took a Klonopin about two hours ago.
A very small dose.
It actually did absolutely nothing.
joe rogan
Maybe it kicks in at five.
cody tucker
We'll find out.
joe rogan
What is a Fexor?
Is that an SSRI?
cody tucker
Yeah, it's an SSRI.
joe rogan
And when did you start getting on that stuff?
cody tucker
I started taking those probably 2013.
Yeah.
And I've never noticed a difference.
I just keep taking them because I think at some point it's going to work.
unidentified
What?
I mean, you never know.
cody tucker
Sometimes there's like a delay in the effectiveness.
joe rogan
Have you ever gone off them just to see what it feels like?
cody tucker
Yeah, because I started, well, whenever I started drinking a lot, I was like, it said you're not supposed to do both.
I'll just take the alcohol.
joe rogan
I'll take the depressant over the antidepressant.
cody tucker
Well, the alcohol worked, for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, really, interesting.
cody tucker
Well, that night it worked real well, and then the next day it's like, you know.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
cody tucker
Yeah, I mean, if my ceiling was stronger, I'd have a noose hanging up there, but yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's like someone's got to design a better alcohol.
Someone's got to design something that, first of all, doesn't massively fuck up your motor functions.
You know, which is the most dangerous part of alcohol.
It's like, your body's not functioning right.
cody tucker
I want that to happen.
I like that.
I like the whole feeling.
joe rogan
You like just stumbling?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Being hammered?
cody tucker
Yeah, I like waking up and being like, why is my knee bleeding?
unidentified
Like, that's a great feeling.
joe rogan
This is definitely fun to be had.
But it's just like you're agreeing, just like you're agreeing when you're smoking cigarettes.
Like, I'm giving up some health here for this experience.
cody tucker
There's like a quote.
I don't know whose it is.
It's definitely not mine.
But, like, getting drunk is you're just buying happiness from tomorrow.
It's a great quote.
I mean, it makes sense.
joe rogan
It is great.
cody tucker
Because that is what you're doing.
You're getting twice as happy.
But tomorrow, you're going to have zero happiness.
And I was buying, like, weeks ahead.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, some people just keep that, like Burt Kreischer, he just keeps that party rolling.
He never stops.
cody tucker
Well, he just knocked out a 5K.
Good for him.
I got invited to go do that, and I couldn't turn that down fast enough.
I was like, you...
I was like, y 'all...
No.
No, I'm not gonna go run a 5K, unless someone's chasing me.
joe rogan
Bro, Jelly Roll has lost something insane.
I think he's down 140 pounds.
cody tucker
I thought it was even more than that, but maybe...
joe rogan
Is it more than that?
cody tucker
I think.
I don't want to say.
joe rogan
It's an insane amount.
He looks so good.
He looks different.
He looks like a different person.
cody tucker
It is wild.
That's a lot.
I mean...
unidentified
Yeah, see, 180 is what I thought I had heard.
joe rogan
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
cody tucker
I mean, that's a...
joe rogan
That's unbelievable.
cody tucker
That's an adult human.
joe rogan
See if there's a video, I think, that's on Burt Kreischer's Instagram of Burt with him on stage.
And Burt is bigger than Jelly Roll.
unidentified
He's not.
He's not.
joe rogan
But he's right next to him, and Jelly Roll is almost unrecognizable.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's so much thinner.
He looks great, and he's committed.
He's, like, fucking all in on this, all in on being healthy.
cody tucker
I gotta do it.
joe rogan
He ran a 5K.
Look at that.
cody tucker
Yeah, there it was, yeah.
joe rogan
Boy.
unidentified
Look at Burt.
joe rogan
Burt's bigger than him.
Look, I'm not lying.
cody tucker
No, you're really not.
Yeah, that's...
joe rogan
Jelly Roll looks like a totally different human being.
cody tucker
Yeah, I mean, he looks good.
joe rogan
He looks great.
unidentified
I mean, that's crazy.
joe rogan
That's extraordinary.
Extraordinary that he's been able to do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
In how long?
I mean, it hasn't been that long.
joe rogan
I mean...
cody tucker
I don't think.
joe rogan
I think...
unidentified
Yeah, that's...
joe rogan
His weight loss, he wanted to lose 100 pounds, it says his first goal.
Okay, so he passed that goal in 2024.
Okay, so he'd already lost 100 pounds by 2024.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So here we are in May of 2025.
Next year he says half marathon.
Wow.
unidentified
Whoa.
cody tucker
I mean, he could.
Why not?
joe rogan
Why not?
Yeah, if he did 5K, he can do it.
cody tucker
5K is what, three and a half miles?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
cody tucker
So I have marathons 13.1?
Or 13, I guess.
joe rogan
His weight goal is to be under 250 pounds.
cody tucker
Well, he'll definitely be there.
joe rogan
He said to do all the fun stuff in life, you've got to be under 250.
Skydiving, ride a roller coaster, riding a bull, and wrestling an alligator.
Oh, don't do a lot of those things.
cody tucker
I'll tell you what, you know, the wrestling an alligator thing, I can tell you from firsthand experience, you can be any weight and wrestle a fucking alligator.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Why not?
cody tucker
I mean, I feel like the bigger you are...
joe rogan
If you're going to die, you're going to die.
cody tucker
Well, I figure the bigger you are, the better at wrestling you are for an alligator.
You don't want to be 120 pounds and jump on the back of an alligator.
joe rogan
That's true, but you don't even want to be 300 pounds and jump on the back of an alligator because they roll.
Like, their whole thing is rolling.
cody tucker
But they wouldn't be able to roll quite as much.
If I'm on the back of an alligator, that thing is not budging.
joe rogan
Boy, I think you're wrong.
cody tucker
That could be true.
joe rogan
I think you're really wrong.
It wouldn't be the first time.
I'm really sure you're wrong.
cody tucker
I would like to test it.
joe rogan
I don't want you to.
You seem like a nice guy.
I've seen so many videos.
Especially Crocs, when dudes put their arm in a Croc and the Croc says, like, not today.
unidentified
Stop!
cody tucker
Well, see, Crocodile's different.
Crocodile's very vicious.
An alligator's basically just a giant turtle.
I mean, you could just smack that thing around.
It's not going to do anything to you.
joe rogan
Eh, they eat people.
They'll get you.
They still eat people.
I'm not a toddler.
No, they'll eat a grown adult if they get a hold of you.
They'll take you and drag you under a log.
It's just they're not as aggressive as crocs.
Crocs actively target people, whereas alligators are like, if you fuck up, there's a fun story.
A guy was in a police chase in Florida.
Cops are chasing him, gets to a bridge, jumps out of the car, into the water, lands on an alligator, and just gets mauled right in front of the cops.
He gets killed by an alligator right from a big and two.
It was like, again, like the book coming out today.
Sometimes the universe is there with a 13-footer.
That's wild.
Right when you dive in, you're like, oh no!
cody tucker
Clamp!
joe rogan
Grabs a hold of your head, starts rolling.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Have you ever been close to one?
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, I've snuck up on, well, accidentally snuck up on one once, and it is, it's kind of terrifying hearing the, I can't make the sound, but that like, you know, that sound they make.
joe rogan
Bro, they're dinosaurs.
They're heartless, soulless eating machines.
cody tucker
Yeah, I was going to take a piss by a tree and just heard that sound, and I was like, and it was nighttime, so I'm like, oh, I don't like that that just happened.
joe rogan
That's not good.
cody tucker
And look around, there's one, not like...
Super close, but close enough to get a good look and be like, ooh.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I lived in Florida from age 11 to 13. We lived in Gainesville, which was by this place called Lake Alice.
And Lake Alice had all kinds of alligators.
And people would go there and feed them marshmallows.
Chuck marshmallows in the water.
And then they eventually told you, hey, stop doing that.
It's bad for the alligators.
But alligators were like a protected species back then.
cody tucker
I'd have been dressing up like an alligator so quick.
But it was so weird.
Yeah, that's wild.
joe rogan
Like, I lived in San Francisco before that, so you see nothing.
And then all of a sudden, dinosaurs.
Like, legit dinosaurs.
And I remember being a little kid thinking, why is everybody so goddamn comfortable being around these huge fucking lizards?
cody tucker
It is crazy when you go to Florida, because I'm pretty close to Caddo Lake.
I don't know if you're familiar with Caddo Lake, but it's like the largest natural lake in Texas.
It looks like you went back in time 5 million years, 60 million years.
Like, it's the scariest looking place on the planet.
And they're just filled with alligators.
So we would go there as a kid all the time, and yeah, you'd see alligators, and you're just like...
But nobody cares.
Like, people were just, like, out barbecuing, like, grilling up against the...
And, you know, obviously the meat being around, like, these alligators just come up.
They just don't care.
They're just like, all right.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
So crazy that people just tolerate dinosaurs.
cody tucker
Yeah, I mean, I guess just, you know, they don't do anything to people.
Like, unprovoked, really.
Like, as far as I know.
joe rogan
Well, they can.
They certainly can.
cody tucker
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
But they're just like, they're so overpopulated now.
Yeah.
They're all over Florida.
They say essentially any body of water in Florida that's still, there's a potential for an alligator being inside of it.
Because they just travel at night and go into a new lake and sit there and wait.
They can hold their breath for hours.
cody tucker
God.
I would like to get on them.
joe rogan
They don't have to eat for a year.
Like, what?
Like, what?
What are we doing?
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
cody tucker
Oh, that is.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard of alligator gars?
cody tucker
Yeah, we have them.
Yeah, so like my family, a lot of them live in Gonzales.
I don't know if I'm familiar where that is, but probably San Antonio.
And they go like bow fishing for guards.
And we used to go fishing for guards, like in a spillway.
Just fish for these bastards.
You can't eat them or grow them.
joe rogan
Apparently you can.
You can smoke them.
cody tucker
That's what I heard.
We would just pull them up and then smash their head with a rock.
joe rogan
How rude.
cody tucker
Yeah, well, I mean, why were I supposed to say that?
joe rogan
My point was some guy just caught a world record in Texas.
Really?
I think he was out in...
Lakeway?
I forget where it was, but it was seven feet long.
See if you could find it.
And he caught it on, like, two-pound test or something crazy.
No, I mean, that was a lake trout.
Different story.
cody tucker
There's got to be bigger ones than that.
Than seven feet.
I wonder if it was...
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing, man.
That's so crazy!
cody tucker
That is...
joe rogan
Houston Chronicle.
So look at the size of that thing.
Oh, my God.
That's so big.
212 pound alligator gar.
And those things, man, look like they're from a different era.
Those things look like they're not supposed to exist.
Like, that is a goddamn prehistoric creature.
Pull up some photos, Jamie, of alligator cars.
cody tucker
They also don't attack people.
joe rogan
No.
No, they don't.
cody tucker
Like, very kind of skittish.
joe rogan
But my kids found out that they're in lakes now, and they're like, fuck this.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
I don't blame them.
joe rogan
You don't want to take a chance at those things.
Look at their face.
Like, look at that photo.
Look at that face, man.
That looks like something from a book on dinosaurs, right?
cody tucker
Yeah, it's like a sturgeon.
Like this huge-ass sturgeon in Alaska where you're like, oh.
joe rogan
From a different time.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a sturgeon.
It looks like it doesn't belong in this time.
Look at that thing, man.
cody tucker
I don't like that at all.
joe rogan
But even the eyes, it just looks primitive.
Like a shit early design.
Like a 1955 Ford.
You know what I mean?
It's like, what were you doing back then?
That's a shit design.
That stupid eyeball at the end of the mouth looks dumb.
Right?
Make that picture bigger.
The one that's big right now.
unidentified
Look how fucking crazy that is.
joe rogan
God!
cody tucker
I mean, it's so crazy.
joe rogan
Look at that thing, man.
Oh, they only give you a small version.
Isn't that weird?
cody tucker
What a weird, even if you open it.
joe rogan
Oh, there it is.
That's so strange, the thing.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
But look how bad that design is.
That's like, you know what it's like?
It's like, you ever see like a Dodge Charger, like a 69 Charger, a badass looking car, but like, why is it so long and goofy?
Like, what's going on here?
It's like old time.
They hadn't figured out proportions yet.
It looks weird.
That thing looks weird.
It doesn't look modern.
It looks like it's from a different time.
cody tucker
It's definitely not mine.
jamie vernon
Why does it have a nose?
joe rogan
Probably slammed into things.
cody tucker
No, that's like a real nostril.
jamie vernon
Unless they can breathe above.
joe rogan
Is that a nostril, you think?
cody tucker
Well, it does look like a nostril.
joe rogan
See if there's other ones that show that same thing.
That's crazy if that's a nostril.
That could just be a hole in its nose.
cody tucker
It could, but I think...
Unless they're like...
joe rogan
Oh God, it does look like a nostril.
cody tucker
They all have a little nostril.
joe rogan
Find out if can alligator gars breathe air.
Because there are some fish that gulp air.
Have you ever seen that?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Where they go up and they actually can gulp air if there's no oxygen in the water.
cody tucker
I mean, these things all look like they have nostrils.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
They have nostrils.
But their primary respiratory organ is a swim bladder, which can be used to breathe in air when needed, especially in low-oxygen environments.
Wow.
cody tucker
But they do breathe using gills at the top.
joe rogan
So they have gills and nostrils.
cody tucker
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
It says, like most fish have nostrils.
I didn't know that.
cody tucker
Most fish have nostrils?
joe rogan
Whoa.
However, they have a unique adaptation, a swim bladder connected to their mouth.
Whoa.
And swim bladder functions as a lung, allowing them to breathe air.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
See, that's why they're still around.
I don't like this.
When did these motherfuckers first start being around?
Like, how long have they been on Earth for?
cody tucker
I'm going to guess...
joe rogan
Millions.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Millions.
cody tucker
Oh, 100%.
joe rogan
That seems like a many-million-year-old fish.
cody tucker
I would guess, like, 100...
Oh, there it is.
joe rogan
100 million.
cody tucker
In the Cretaceous.
joe rogan
So that's pre-dinosaur death.
cody tucker
Yeah, 65 million.
joe rogan
So they were around long before that.
cody tucker
Yeah, they overlapped for 35 million years.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
But that's essentially a prehistoric creature that you can go shoot with a bow.
cody tucker
Yeah, or like me, smash his head in with your rock while your uncle's drunk.
joe rogan
Kind of crazy that that's an activity that people do.
But I do hear that you can smoke them and they taste good.
cody tucker
I'll leave that up to...
joe rogan
You won't give it a try?
Like, if someone's really good and they cook for you?
And they're like, just try it.
Dude, try it.
cody tucker
I'd pretty much try anything.
So, yeah, I've eaten worse things.
joe rogan
I had beaver once.
cody tucker
I bet you, yeah.
Well, really, why was it?
That's right, bro.
Me too, one day, I hope.
joe rogan
No, me and my friend Brian Callen and Steve Rinella.
It was on his television show, Meat Eater, and they trapped a beaver, and he cooked it.
He made it like a pot roast.
It was fucking delicious.
It was really good.
cody tucker
I'd try it.
joe rogan
But Steve's like an excellent cook.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
He has cookbooks.
He's an excellent cook.
So he really knows how to make something delicious.
cody tucker
He cooks on the show.
Yeah, all the time.
Yeah, I'd try it.
I mean, there's not really any...
I'd eat a dog.
I'd try it.
joe rogan
I couldn't eat a dog.
I couldn't eat a person.
Like, I could eat a person if I had to eat a person.
cody tucker
I don't think it would take all that much.
joe rogan
Well, I think historically, you've been proven to be correct.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want some coffee?
Do you drink coffee?
cody tucker
No, I'm good.
joe rogan
I'm good.
Yeah, historically, when push comes to shove, people will eat people.
cody tucker
Yeah, I mean, what was the name?
General Butt Naked?
You ever heard of him?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
cody tucker
Yeah, he was eating people.
I mean, that's how he busted that guy at that market that was serving human meat.
joe rogan
That guy killed and ate people, and then he was forgiven because he found Jesus.
cody tucker
Yeah, at the Hague.
joe rogan
And then he became a pastor.
cody tucker
Amazing.
joe rogan
He would take off all his clothes and go into battle and kill people while he's butt naked.
cody tucker
With a machete.
joe rogan
With a machete.
He would find children, kill them, cut their heart out, and eat it so that he would become invincible.
Eat the heart of his enemy's children.
cody tucker
It worked.
He's still alive.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
You can dismiss it all you want.
cody tucker
Yeah, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say.
unidentified
The devil has very specific rules, if you want the superpower.
joe rogan
From monster to minister, is the past about to catch up to Liberia's war criminals?
So that's the thing, is Liberia, okay?
Do you know the history of Liberia?
cody tucker
Yeah, with James Monroe and Monroe v.
I mean, well, I know, like, that it was a colony, basically to send...
African slaves back to Africa.
joe rogan
Exactly.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's why the capital is Monrovia.
It's named after James Monroe.
joe rogan
It is an insane place.
In the weeks before he found Jesus, the evangelist formerly known as General Butt-Naked reckons he was sacrificing four or five children a day.
Oh my God.
Murder had long come naturally to him.
He was only 11 when the elders who had steeped him in the ways of witchcraft first handed him the sacrificial knife.
But he never killed with such intensity and ferocity as during those weeks in mid-1996, when Liberia's first civil war reached its calamitous climax on the blood-soaked streets of Monrovia, the country's death.
trees battered capital several times a day the warlord and his battalion of boys all naked as he was would emerge into the maelstrom firing wildly as they added their own breed of terror to the chaos wow yet the bloodletting always began before a single bullet had been fired before each engagement butt naked pagan priest and holy warrior would lay a child face down on the sacrificial table slice open its victims back and pull out they're still beating heart thus
ensuring magical protection for the coming back Yikes.
Fucking yo.
cody tucker
It's not really like a nice thing to do to someone.
joe rogan
I mean, fucking yo.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's insane.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't care if he found Jesus.
But he found Jesus.
cody tucker
Hold on.
joe rogan
He found Jesus.
cody tucker
Is that actually why he got let off?
joe rogan
More than 20 years later, General Buttnaget, nom de guerre, evangelist Joshua Milton Blahy, no longer cares to use, has never appeared in court for the war crimes he so freely admits to.
Neither for that matter has anyone else, not in Liberia at least.
That's pretty crazy.
cody tucker
So they didn't even try.
It's not like they got off.
They just didn't even try.
joe rogan
That's how bad that place is.
cody tucker
Yeah, because he was under, what's that guy's name, Charles Taylor?
Charles Taylor was an absolute nut job as well.
unidentified
Have you ever seen Machine Gun Preacher with Gerard Butler?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
cody tucker
Oh, you've got to watch that movie.
unidentified
Yeah?
cody tucker
So good.
joe rogan
Machine Gun Preacher.
cody tucker
Yeah, it sounds like it.
joe rogan
When did this one come out?
unidentified
Maybe 2014, 2015 or so.
cody tucker
It's decently old.
2011, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's based on a true story of a guy who had some alcohol, like drug issues, I believe.
Here it is.
joe rogan
Machine Gun Preacher.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Okay.
cody tucker
Yeah, it's a...
joe rogan
I'll check that out.
Jamie, will you do me a favor or sign me in?
unidentified
Nope.
cody tucker
Yeah, he went to Africa.
Like, this guy, yeah, went to Africa and started, like, building these, like, you know, kind of, I guess not orphanages, but, like, schools, basically.
And then, obviously, you know, the warlords would come in and burn these schools down because they didn't want them being built and try to take the money that's being donated.
So he started, like, going over there.
Like, he was, at one point, just kind of...
You know, getting money and sending it there.
And then he was like, well, I'll actually go over there with weapons and I'll protect these schools.
And that's basically what he did.
It's a pretty crazy story.
The movie, yeah, it's phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There are parts of the world that are just fucking bananas.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is really great about the early days of Vice.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The early days of Vice, man.
They would go and interview General Butt-Naked.
cody tucker
That's where I heard about them.
It was the Cannibal Warlords of Liberia.
It was the documentary.
joe rogan
They would go everywhere.
All the crazy places.
They would go to all parts of the world.
cody tucker
Yeah.
It's amazing.
Just how crazy people are.
joe rogan
People that don't visit those places in the world, they don't see, like the look in the eyes of people that have been to all those dangerous parts.
Like my friend Shane, Shane Smith from Vice.
He's got this, when he starts talking about these places that he's been, especially the early days, he has an understanding of the dangers of the outside world that I think us in this little gated community we call the United States, we're very, very ignorant about how fucking sideways things have gone in other parts of the world right now.
While you're enjoying Netflix, cuddling up with your sweetheart, eating popcorn, there's parts of the world right now where someone's cutting out a child's heart to eat it before they go to battle.
Maybe not in the same timeline, but close enough.
unidentified
I mean, just because he's not doing it doesn't mean somebody else isn't.
joe rogan
Who knows what's happening right now in certain war-torn parts of the world.
And we just think, well, you know, what we really need is equity.
We need to worry about the climate.
The climate change should be our number one priority.
Actually, you need to stay safe.
You need to fucking stay safe, and you need to understand there's a bunch of spots that aren't safe.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Well, and also, yeah, climate change.
Sure, worry about it.
But that kid's going to get his heart ripped out in the next 15 minutes.
Let's go ahead and worry about him.
joe rogan
That's probably number one.
cody tucker
And then, yeah, let's go ahead and worry about him for a little bit.
Then we'll go to climate after that.
joe rogan
People who are good people don't want to believe that there's bad people in the world.
And I understand that reluctance.
I understand that you have this perspective.
And in your world that you've cultivated, you probably are safe because you've cultivated this world of a bunch of people that share the worldview of you.
But when you enter into other people's spaces and you're ignorant to their culture and how crazy – like I read about this couple.
They decided they're going to prove that people were just good people everywhere and they went and hung out with ISIS and they killed them.
Did you read about that one, Jamie?
Do you know that story?
cody tucker
That is incredible.
joe rogan
I was like, you need better friends.
You need better friends.
You need better friends that show you some videos.
You know, that show you, like, this is what's going on in this part of the world.
Like, you have to understand, like, it is, you need to talk to someone who's maybe served in Afghanistan.
Like, you need to understand what's going on over there.
cody tucker
The problem is those people would never listen to that.
unidentified
They'd be like, well, you just saw the bad side of ISIS.
cody tucker
Like, you got ISIS on a bad day.
joe rogan
I have a lighter that my friend Chris Williamson gave me that is from my comedy club that went to Antarctica because they took a group of people to show them that the world isn't flat.
They show them the sun.
Actually, it does go around like that.
You can watch it the whole time.
They're like, fuck!
Completely recalibrate!
cody tucker
Like that guy that tried to launch himself up in the sky to prove it and he died.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy.
He needed better friends.
All these people just need better friends.
cody tucker
Like, yeah.
joe rogan
You need people around you.
Yeah.
Don't do that.
cody tucker
Yeah.
And just reassure them.
Just tell them it's flat.
Don't worry.
It is flat.
You don't got to worry about it.
joe rogan
Imagine if it was.
Like, imagine if all those morons were right and then everybody, all these scientists, all these saddles, all lies, all CGI.
cody tucker
They've all been in cahoots for this whole time.
Even, what's his name?
Was it Socrates or Aristotle?
I think Aristotle that mapped it out back in 3,000 years ago.
joe rogan
This is my take on it.
I firmly believe.
That at one point in time, there was a bunch of people that were uninformed that thought the world was flat way back in the day.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then they figured it out with experiments.
And then you look at all the other bodies in the solar system.
Everything else is round.
Kind of makes sense.
You realize that this is how planets are formed, gravity and spins and the whole deal.
But then I think there's PSYOPs.
And I think a bunch of people went on there, just like they did with women with the free bleeding movement on 4chan.
They convinced women to just fucking bleed all over their crotch.
They convinced them.
And they did it by making it seem like a feminist thing.
Like, fuck the patriarchy.
I don't have to wear a fucking tampon.
I'm going to wear white pants.
Fuck you.
Look at my blood.
And then women actually went and did it.
Because people will buy into almost anything.
They just...
There's a certain percentage of the population, whatever it is, that's so easily – they're so suggestible.
They're so easily influenced.
You can kind of talk them into almost anything.
And I think that's part of where the flat earth thing got sideways.
Because I think just like MKUltra used to exist, I think there's still some let's find out how dumb they are experiments.
cody tucker
There's also just a lot of real dumb people.
There's also just some people who like – they also want to like think that everything is a cover-up.
I don't trust NASA.
Like, why would I trust NASA?
I don't know.
Why not?
Like, we didn't go to the moon, so the Earth must be flat.
I guess if those two things are related, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, I just...
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of people that don't want to actually do research.
They want to watch a YouTube video and then start talking about it.
That's me.
That's my favorite thing.
cody tucker
Well, I'm with it.
Yeah, I'm with it too.
Yeah, I like a good deep dive, but sometimes just give me the damn...
joe rogan
Yeah, well, sometimes I'm just fucking around and I'm not really serious about whether or not I care if it's real.
I'm more interested to know about these emerald tablets.
Like, where are they?
Who's got them?
What do they say?
Like, I don't want to know.
It's a hoax.
But I'm only fucking around.
I'm not, like, completely invested in it.
But when you start making videos about how you're correct and the world is flat and everybody else is wrong, like...
No.
You're annoying.
This is silly.
You're just not seeing things correctly.
Yeah, there's a lot of lies.
Yeah, there's a lot of conspiracies.
It doesn't mean all of it.
It doesn't mean the stars are actually lights in the sky.
Interesting possibility is that it only exists when consciousness engages with it.
And that's the real simulation theory.
That's the real weirdness.
That's when things get like Tom Campbell, you know, my big toe, the theory of everything.
That's when things get really weird.
When instead of...
Consciousness is like a part of the creation of reality itself, that it's all integrated.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
I don't like thinking about any of that stuff.
joe rogan
He wears me out.
cody tucker
Yeah, I don't like space.
I'll leave that alone.
I don't know.
Space.
Because also, like, what happened before?
Oh, yeah.
And then what happened before that?
joe rogan
There's an environment before the Big Bang.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think they call it the environment.
Isn't that what it's called?
Yeah, what did they call it?
Brian Cox was explaining it to us.
I was like, what?
Oh, God, yeah.
All theoretical, of course.
cody tucker
Well, yeah, yeah.
Which is the problem, because then...
Like, sometimes it's just...
I don't know.
Like, I couldn't have that be...
Which, you know...
Great for, like, those people.
I could not have that be my life, is coming up with these theorems and, like, studying them.
Because you're never going to get an answer.
joe rogan
But it doesn't have to be you.
unidentified
I need an answer.
joe rogan
I'm glad it's not you.
cody tucker
Oh, well, yeah, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
I'm glad you do what you do.
cody tucker
Exactly.
No, I'm glad that they do it.
I'm just saying, like, for me, it would drive me.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
Absolutely.
Because I have to, like, know an answer.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
I can't.
I hate, like...
Hypotheticals and like...
joe rogan
Like string theory.
cody tucker
I hate it.
That could piss off.
I don't need to know any about that.
That one's weird.
Yeah, any of that stuff.
I like this happened on this day.
This is who was involved.
This is what happened.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Hard.
cody tucker
That kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Well, space is the ultimate who the fuck knows because we can only see so far.
We see so far.
But even so far is only so far.
cody tucker
Well, and then they're saying like it's always expanding.
That can't be true because what is it expanding into?
If space is space, you know, if they're like, oh, it's like blowing up a balloon where everything's – OK, well, you're blowing up a balloon in a room.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
So what's the room that you're blowing the balloon into?
And then that's in a bigger room and then that's in this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And then there's the concept that it's actually finite.
It's not infinite.
It's some sort of donut shape.
unidentified
It like – Good Lord.
Or is God the universe?
Yeah, but then who made God?
cody tucker
And then that bothers me.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
Who made that thing?
joe rogan
Is that a thing that we think that, like, because we were born and we die, that we have these biological limitations that we attach to the universe itself?
cody tucker
That's fair.
Yeah, that we just – we see things as being built and destroyed.
joe rogan
That there's always been something.
Wouldn't it be crazy if there wasn't something at one point in time?
That seems even crazier.
Then there always has been something because if it's just something – if it's just the nature of everything, there is always something, right?
It couldn't be nothing and then all of a sudden everything.
cody tucker
That seems— Because what started that?
What kicked that off?
joe rogan
Exactly.
cody tucker
What snapped its fingers?
joe rogan
That's McKenna's great line.
Terrence McKenna had a great line about the difference between science and religion is that science only asks you for one miracle.
I want you to believe in one miracle, the Big Bang.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
cody tucker
That's a good one.
joe rogan
It's a great line.
It's because it really is true.
And it's funny because people would be incredulous about the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
But yet they're convinced that the entire universe was smaller than the head of a pen.
And for no reason than anybody's adequately explained to me.
Makes sense.
It instantaneously became everything?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
cody tucker
I can't buy that.
joe rogan
I'm sticking with Jesus on that one.
Jesus makes more sense.
cody tucker
It makes a whole lot more sense.
joe rogan
People have come back to life.
In fact, one of your videos was about a woman who was hung.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tell that one.
cody tucker
Was it Nancy Green or Ann Green?
I think Ann Green.
Yeah, she had basically a miscarriage.
At the time, it was basically like, oh, you're a witch.
We're going to kill you because your baby's not.
It didn't live.
So she just buried the thing, acted like nothing happened.
They tried her, convicted her.
joe rogan
So she had a miscarriage, buried the child, and they caught her.
cody tucker
Yeah, they caught her thinking that she had killed the kid.
Like, why would you be just burying your baby?
Like, they weren't really thinking that she had a miscarriage.
Hung her.
I mean, as far as they know, she's dead.
Put her in a box, wooden box, take her to a mortuary, and the guy's, you know, getting her ready to...
Prepper to barrier, and she wakes back up after they start doing, like, they feel, well, they feel like a faint pulse, and they're like, oh my god, this woman's still alive, but she's not, like, coherent and alert, so they start giving her, like, tobacco smoke enemas, which, oh, it gotta be a great time.
joe rogan
Whose idea, how do you go to that one first?
cody tucker
Well, I don't know.
I think...
joe rogan
I got an idea, bro.
cody tucker
I mean, slapping the hell out of her probably was the first option.
joe rogan
I got a tube and a pack of Marlboro's.
cody tucker
Here it is.
Yeah, pouring hot.
Yeah, they poured this, which I don't know, a cordial?
I think it's just some sort of like liquid.
unidentified
Any...
cody tucker
Is that just liquid?
Yeah, I don't know why.
joe rogan
Invigorating or stimulating preparation that's intended for medicinal purpose.
The term derives from obsolete usage.
cody tucker
It's basically Robitussin.
jamie vernon
Yeah, some sort of alcohol, I think.
cody tucker
Oh, like some hot...
joe rogan
Buffalo trace.
Let's go, lady.
Rubbing her limbs and extremities.
Bloodletting.
cody tucker
Always a good option.
joe rogan
A poultice?
Poultice?
cody tucker
Oh, I didn't know about the poultice.
joe rogan
What is that?
jamie vernon
A soft moist mass.
unidentified
A moist mass.
joe rogan
A moist mass.
cody tucker
So basically putting like a hot...
jamie vernon
Soft materials like cereals.
unidentified
Okay.
cody tucker
Cereals?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Soft materials like cereals used as a base.
cody tucker
So they put oatmeal on our tits.
joe rogan
They put a big bowl of oatmeal on our tits.
Tobacco.
They're just experimenting on this lady.
The tobacco smoke enema to me is the wildest one.
Like, you went up her asshole.
With a cigar?
Is that what you did?
You weirdo?
cody tucker
Yeah, like a backdoor Clinton.
joe rogan
That's a guy that wanted to smoke a cigarette in the operating room.
It's like, I know.
jamie vernon
Blow some smoke up your ass.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
That might be what it is.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's literally it!
You blow smoke up my ass?
Blow smoke up your ass is supposed to be deceiving you.
jamie vernon
They probably found out it was some bullshit.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
jamie vernon
Are you still trying to do that shit?
joe rogan
He's just an ass freak.
Because a lot of morticians have been freaks.
That's one of the famous Sam Kinison bit.
cody tucker
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of the greatest bits of all time.
jamie vernon
She started talking after 12 hours?
cody tucker
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Started eating food?
joe rogan
That's nuts.
One month before we recovered?
She came back from the dead?
You're telling me Jesus can't?
cody tucker
Well, Jesus was after three days.
I feel like after three days you're already stinking.
joe rogan
People were tougher back then, bro.
cody tucker
Well, that's true.
unidentified
2,000 years ago, people were—they had some gumption to them.
joe rogan
Well, they were probably also 2,000 years less evolved, so they were probably stronger.
cody tucker
Stronger?
joe rogan
Yeah, like more robust.
cody tucker
Oh.
joe rogan
They were able to survive.
If you survived 2,000 years ago, I just would imagine, like, you're going through some tough times.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, you can't have, like—there's no bad genes back then.
Nobody makes it.
Yeah, and Jesus went through some stuff by the time he hit 33. I just think human beings probably, we're probably dealing with a very robust gene pool.
The people that did live, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you go back earlier and earlier.
Like, you go way back.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Because they were basically doing, like, survival of the fittest.
I mean, that was life, you know?
If you have a kid who comes out all gimpy, you just throw that fucker off a cliff.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're dead.
You sacrifice them.
They can't be held down.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I was watching this.
YouTube clip yesterday on Cro-Magnum, man.
Like, the early Homo sapiens who killed off a lot of the Neanderthals.
Like, the battles with the Neanderthals.
Like, there were just these massive fucking Icelandic-type dudes that lived back then.
Like, you ought to be tough to survive thousands of years ago.
cody tucker
Especially if you lived in the north like that.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
cody tucker
Like, can you imagine being a Viking?
Just living in, like, Iceland, Greenland.
joe rogan
Yeah, your house is made out of sticks and there's polar bears outside.
cody tucker
God.
And it just sucks.
unidentified
Fuck, dude.
cody tucker
There's nothing to do.
unidentified
Fuck.
cody tucker
I wouldn't like that one bit.
I'm real glad I live right now.
I would have liked to have lived a couple decades back, I think.
I think I'd be more comfortable, like in the 70s or 80s.
joe rogan
I think you're perfect right here, dude.
You get more research information now.
cody tucker
That's true.
joe rogan
It'd be harder to do your job back then.
cody tucker
Oh, my job wouldn't exist.
unidentified
Everybody would think you're bullshitting.
cody tucker
Well, everybody already does.
joe rogan
Cody Tucker's full of shit, man.
He's making stuff up about the past.
unidentified
Most people already think I'm doing anyways, which is fine, I mean.
joe rogan
Well, how do you research it?
Like, how do you find crazy facts?
cody tucker
I just—well, one, just read, like, books constantly.
So, like, I'll say, like, Napoleon.
I'll be like, all right, let me find a book on Napoleon, read about Napoleon.
And I'm mostly just skimming through looking to, like, find something that seems interesting.
Or then I'll just Google, like, interesting shit about Napoleon.
And then— Read through it.
Half of it's not true.
So I gotta sift through that and then put it all together into kind of a story and do it that way.
But yeah, it's mostly just reading articles online.
Like scholarly articles, I guess you'd say.
Just flipping through them until I find something.
joe rogan
Imagine trying to piece through the truth of the 1700s.
Just imagine.
unidentified
Back then?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean right now.
Like try to figure out exactly.
What happened?
cody tucker
It's...
I mean, there was some good, like, you know, notating what's going on.
But how would you know?
joe rogan
You barely know.
cody tucker
I mean, really, you don't even have to go back to the 20s.
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
Like, who now is going to be like, oh, yeah, that did happen?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
But at least we have, like, photographs and stuff.
But my point was going to be, now take it back a couple thousand years ago.
Like, good luck.
cody tucker
Well, that's why so many people think some, you know, have a hard time knowing for sure whether some people even existed.
Like Achilles.
Like people, you know, still don't believe that he necessarily existed.
I mean, they didn't believe that entire war happened until, like...
Relatively recently.
joe rogan
Well, they didn't find Troy until, like, what year?
Like, Troy was supposed to be just a mythical place.
cody tucker
Exactly.
I don't know a date.
I'm thinking the 50s, if I had to guess.
I think it was, like, kind of close.
But, yeah, they just knew...
joe rogan
Less than 100 years ago.
cody tucker
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Which is nuts.
cody tucker
Yeah, they just knew Homer.
They just knew the Elliot, the Odyssey, and all those things, and thought it was all big.
Because then, if you know that that war is true, like, once you've discovered the...
That did happen.
So was Achilles real?
So was Agamemnon real?
It's hard to know.
Is Odysseus real?
joe rogan
Right.
cody tucker
But obviously there's things in there that aren't real.
joe rogan
That's what's weird, right?
It's like there's some, for sure, fiction, I think.
But maybe not.
Maybe the world was way weirder back then.
cody tucker
Maybe all those weird things got killed off?
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
It's like maybe there were like...
Almost god-like creatures that existed that we want to call Zeus or Hercules.
Maybe this is just like years and years and years of retelling stuff.
Because Homer's take on Atlantis is one of the most fascinating.
I've been obsessed with Atlantis ever since, particularly I had Jimmy Corsetti on the podcast.
And have you ever seen his videos on the Reichardt?
Did I say it, Jimmy?
Reichardt?
Richard structure.
There's this area in sub-Saharan Africa that has all of the attributes of Atlantis, including its position, where the mountains are to the north, where the river is to the south, the concentric rings.
It literally is the same size as described, the concentric rings.
It looks like a complete anomaly.
It does not look like something that's naturally occurring.
And the entire area looks like it's...
When you look at it from a...
An aerial satellite photo.
It looks like it's blown out by water.
Like immense amounts of water rushed through the land.
Like the whole area looked massive water erosion.
Like when you look at it from above, it looks like it just got hit with the most fucking insane flood of all time.
There's literally salt.
There's white all around the area where this Richard structure is, which was probably from the fucking ocean.
cody tucker
Right, for sure.
joe rogan
And it's to this day.
And also, evidence of human habitation.
They found pottery.
They found a bunch of things.
But it's a kind of sketchy area of the world.
And I don't think there's been a lot of real excavation done there.
But look at it from the top.
I recommend everybody go to Bright Insights' YouTube page and just watch some of the videos he has on it.
And he's not saying it's for sure this.
And it's not just him.
It's many other people.
This is the area.
Show it, the image of it from space.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
It's crazy, dude.
It literally looks like how Atlantis was described, with concentric circles.
But crazier still is its position to the mountains, which are in the north, and the south, where the river runs through, is literally exactly as described.
And if you look at the image, look how it all looks blown out, man.
It all looks completely washed out.
cody tucker
That is crazy.
joe rogan
Watch how you go further.
Look at that.
Tell me.
cody tucker
Oh, the whole thing?
unidentified
The whole thing.
It looks like the whole thing is just scarred from water.
joe rogan
Just a massive amount of water.
cody tucker
That's crazy.
Yeah, that is so wild.
joe rogan
From the position where it is, the description of it, the actual dimensions of it, everything about it, man.
Even the descriptions of it and the colors of the rocks that are in that area.
It matches so many details.
cody tucker
Oh, it's a moratina.
Okay.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts?
cody tucker
That is amazing.
joe rogan
Again, shout out to Jimmy Corsetti.
Because Randall Carlson dismissed this, but I was like, how are you dismissing this?
I don't understand.
cody tucker
I mean, dismissing it based on...
joe rogan
He doesn't think that this is Atlantis.
He thinks Atlantis is somewhere else.
Maybe he's right.
I mean, I don't know.
Maybe there was more than one.
I mean, when a bunch of people die at a time where you don't have phones and you don't have computers, it's real possible that the myth of Atlantis, you're talking about like...
A civilization that existed at a certain point in time.
And it might not have just been this one incredible city, but it's probably multiple cities that existed that just don't exist anymore.
Just completely flattened.
And then some people remembered this one.
That's also part of the equation that you have to look at.
When you see that kind of insane water erosion, how much did people just have no recollection of?
cody tucker
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
But it all lines up numbers-wise.
This is what's nuts.
Homer was talking about it being 9,000 years old.
That's 2,000 years ago.
That's at the time of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.
It's the same time period.
cody tucker
Right.
So it lines up perfectly for it.
joe rogan
It lines up perfectly.
The description is perfect.
The position is perfect.
Again, I'm a moron.
But don't listen to me.
Go listen to other people that are interested in it.
Because I probably watched 30 videos on it.
It's wild.
cody tucker
That's so cool looking.
joe rogan
It looks like Atlantis.
It looks like the way they described it.
cody tucker
God.
joe rogan
There's so many people that are resisting.
There's a really interesting thing in archaeology where there's not disrespectful to archaeology.
It's an amazing thing.
I'm glad you guys are out there.
But there's a lot of people that do not want...
Anyone to find something out before they have.
And they do not want anyone to uncover something before they have.
Especially if these people are not credentialed academics.
They're not PhDs.
They're not doctors.
I'm Dr. Smith and I'm out here finding this.
They don't want, like, regular people looking at Google Images and going, hey, what the fuck is this?
And let's go and do it.
And then, like, let's look at the history of the description of the place.
Actually, it lines up exactly.
They don't want to have missed that.
So they'll try to dismiss it with every fiber of their being rather than give ground and give credibility to these amateurs.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's what happens with, like, this true crime community people, you know, because they'll sometimes, like, bust a case wide open.
Cops and detectives hate it because it's like, you're just a guy sitting on your case.
I'm a couch at home, and you did more than what I did.
But, you know, obviously a detective has all these different cases.
They're going to make a few mistakes, and some probably do just not give a shit.
joe rogan
Fucking ego.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
But that's part of it, is that they will just dismiss the leads, because somebody will call in and be like, hey, have y 'all checked this person on this date?
Ask where they were, and they're like, we did it, don't worry about it.
And of course they never did.
So that is kind of a similar situation.
We want to be the ones to find it, not you, so we don't care that you've gone out and done your own thing.
joe rogan
Exactly.
cody tucker
And have a theory that may be true.
I mean, it may be bullshit, but it may be true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's interesting.
joe rogan
It is very interesting.
The whole thing is very interesting because clearly we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle laid out and there are people that want to pretend that we do and that's just not the case.
There's just – there's too much weird stuff and there's too much time that passed.
And the weird stuff is like Gobekli Tepe and these 11,000-year-old structures and a bunch of stuff that they're finding in Malta.
The Malta stuff is nuts.
But it's also – it's just – there's no way you can know.
Combustion engines and you want to break down the new Coyote 5.0 that Ford makes and you're an expert in engines.
I'm going to listen to you because I don't know how it works.
How does it work?
Why is it so good?
How does the supercharger work?
And then it does what?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
How do you control all that with the ECU and the traction control?
Okay.
Because you're an expert in that.
But you can't be an expert in the entire history of the human race because we don't have all the information.
So you're bullshitting.
You at least have to be kind of bullshitting.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
We just found out super recently that there was human beings definitely in North America 22,000 years ago.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super recently.
cody tucker
Yeah.
I thought it was even earlier than that.
joe rogan
Could be.
Maybe they've updated it.
cody tucker
I thought.
joe rogan
I know the footprints.
Those New Mexico footprints, the New Mexico footprints, I believe, are 22,000 years ago.
cody tucker
So what did they think before that?
joe rogan
13. That was Clovis first.
That was the people that thought the Clovis people.
But again, you don't fucking know.
cody tucker
Well, it wasn't that long ago when people found out about the Vikings coming over to New England.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
That was a somewhat recent discovery.
I mean, obviously not in the past couple of years, but it was...
cody tucker
Not very well known that, like, Leif Erikson, I guess it was Eric the Red.
Yeah, so Leif Erikson, like, coming over, you know, 500 years before Columbus.
joe rogan
I know.
Isn't that nuts?
cody tucker
Yeah, and they were here.
I mean, they just didn't settle, so it's not significant.
But, you know, they were here.
So who's to say there weren't people way before them?
And then there's all these different routes you can take, and there's ideas of, like, the Phoenicians coming, or maybe the Egyptians, like, coming into South America.
You know, even longer than that, like thousands of years ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
There's those theories, which, you know, who knows?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, there's also all the stuff in the Amazon, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Lost City of Z, like that stuff.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
cody tucker
That's amazing.
Have you ever seen that movie?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
I read the book, too.
What's interesting about the story about the Lost City of Z is that it all changed in a hundred years.
So it's true.
In the 1500s, that first guy goes, and he gives everybody cooties and he doesn't know.
And then they come back 100 years later to see if he was telling the truth, and everybody's dead.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
Everybody's dead and all the cities are gone in 100 years.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're like, ah, he was bullshitting.
We got there.
There's no fucking cities made out of gold.
The guy's an asshole.
Because the jungle ate it.
cody tucker
Yeah, which 100 years is such a long time.
In the jungle.
For that kind of vegetation force.
joe rogan
Yeah, wooden structures.
cody tucker
Yeah, I mean, that's not a...
Yeah, it's not the middle of the desert where, you know, those structures will last for thousands of years.
joe rogan
I mean, what was that like?
Because I forget the gentleman's name who was the first explorer.
jamie vernon
Percy Fawcett.
joe rogan
Thank you.
Percy Fawcett?
The first guy?
No.
That was the second guy.
jamie vernon
He's the guy that disappeared.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
He's the guy that got eight in the movie.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
Like the Rockefeller kid.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He's the one that formulated the idea about a lost city named Z. Right.
joe rogan
But who was the first explorer to the Amazon that reported these incredible cities?
Because that was in the 1500s.
I think Percy Fawcett.
No.
cody tucker
Was it somebody like that?
jamie vernon
So they found a document written?
joe rogan
No, it was a European guy who was an explorer who went specifically to try to travel the length of the Amazon River.
jamie vernon
It's believed to have been written by a Portuguese named Jao.
Da Silva Gumieres.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
1753.
1753?
jamie vernon
That he had discovered the ruins of an ancient city that contained arches.
joe rogan
No, there was a guy from the 1500s.
jamie vernon
This is what I'm reading from Wikipedia.
joe rogan
No, I understand.
But I was watching this video where they were talking about this guy who was initially from the 1500s who was the first to describe what he saw there and that he saw thriving populations, like incredibly sophisticated agricultural setups.
These people, they lived in harmony with the rainforest in some strange way.
of like because what the video was about was about they were trying to reconcile how you could get enormous populations of people that lived in this area without the kind of agriculture that we assume you need to have in order to support these kind of populations.
cody tucker
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And so they did something different and integrated somehow with the rainforest, and it was also about that stuff that Hancock has talked about, terra preta, the type of soil that they had created.
It's a man-made, like, composted soil.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And they talked about this too, but in this documentary, They were going over the guy who came in the 1500s and the guy who visited.
It might have been the Y files.
jamie vernon
I'm seeing a known Italian navigator, Christopher Columbus, enters the area in 1498, known as present-day Venezuela.
Two years later, Pinzone sails into the Amazon.
It's the same year Brazil is being accidentally found by Portuguese explorer Cabral, while en route to the Orient.
40 years later, a guy named Oriana?
Oriana?
joe rogan
God, I wish I could remember the name of the guy.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the point is, the first people to go there that were Europeans that went back to Europe described these insanely sophisticated cultures that had millions of people living in it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They had huge populations.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they talked about the elaborate headgear they wore, the way they dressed, and there was gold everywhere.
And so everybody was like, oh, we're going to go back and get rich.
And they went back and everyone was dead.
cody tucker
That's so crazy.
I mean, could you imagine, like, you'd feel like such a jackass, you know, having everybody come back there and you're...
joe rogan
Well, it's essentially what we did with North America.
Not we.
I mean, my grandparents came here in the 20s.
But essentially, when Europeans came here, that's what killed, just disease killed 90% of Native Americans.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is...
cody tucker
I mean, it was the same in, like, the Indies, you know, whenever Columbus came.
joe rogan
Everywhere.
cody tucker
Just massive amounts of people.
joe rogan
Just like China did to us.
Just kidding.
unidentified
Just kidding!
joe rogan
Not really, they didn't, but they killed a lot of things.
But it's just bizarre that we've missed that chapter, and it wasn't until LIDAR.
That they started to realize like, oh, there's like sophisticated grid work down here that seems to indicate that there's aqueducts.
It seems like there's like places where there was channels and paths.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Well, we have like, I mean, there's obviously like a Eurocentric idea a lot of the times where we think like, oh, we're the only ones who could have ever come up with like these advanced technologies and like have these advanced civilizations.
I mean, you look, and it was like in Africa, there was all sorts of, like, massive civilizations.
joe rogan
Which is about the Aztecs.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
And then, of course, like, yeah, South America is a huge, I mean, like the Olmecs, Aztecs, Mayans.
I mean, it's Inca.
joe rogan
Especially the Aztecs, though.
cody tucker
Yeah, the Aztecs is a giant.
Their stuff is nuts, man.
joe rogan
Their stuff was nuts.
Like, can you imagine what experiencing that must have been like?
The first people that were, like, Europeans that, like, stumbled upon these immense Aztec cities.
Like, what is happening here?
cody tucker
That was Cortez.
Cortez was the first, I think, for the Aztecs.
unidentified
I think so, right?
joe rogan
On horse, where they thought he was a god.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's the other nutty thing, that we brought horses over here.
Like, what?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they used to be over here, and then they all died off, and then we brought them back.
cody tucker
Yeah.
God, no.
That's crazy.
That's so great.
You know, Thomas Jefferson brought mac and cheese here.
joe rogan
He's the guy?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
cody tucker
Made it popular.
I mean, like, it was like nobody ate that shit.
He went to Paris, you know, obviously, like, for pre-American Revolution to get some buddies going and, yeah, brought back mac and cheese.
Also, like, one of the first Americans to cultivate tomatoes.
Really?
People thought they were poisonous, which to an extent they are.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was reading about that, like, that you should really avoid nightshades.
cody tucker
Yeah, it's a nightshade.
That's what I was trying to remember.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But wait a minute.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they taste so good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How dare you?
cody tucker
I mean, every Italian in the world just, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to get, like, one of those blood work things done to see, like, what foods you're supposed to not be eating.
You know, it's probably horseshit.
But, you know, like, for your blood type.
You know that?
cody tucker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I did one of those a long time ago, and they told me to avoid avocados.
And I'm like, fuck you.
cody tucker
What the fuck?
Avocados are, like, isn't that, like, good for everyone?
Like, who the hell?
joe rogan
That's what I thought.
It was one of them wacky things where I was very skeptical going in.
I'm like, all right, I'll try it.
Let's see what I should and should be eating.
Well, it seems like avocados, like, what are you talking about?
cody tucker
That's insane.
joe rogan
I'm not stomping guacamole, bitch.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, I couldn't be...
joe rogan
No.
cody tucker
No, I can't be.
joe rogan
There's no way it's that bad for you.
cody tucker
Avocados are very good.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
Or I, from what I thought, nobody should be taking that advice for you.
joe rogan
What kind of weird genetic fucking defect would you have to have where avocados are killing you?
That seems crazy.
cody tucker
I mean, you know, peanuts.
I mean, you know, Texas Roadhouse damn near had a...
Damien went bankrupt over all that stuff.
unidentified
Really?
cody tucker
Kind of.
I mean, but they don't do the whole...
joe rogan
They should have sued the vaccine companies.
cody tucker
Should have.
joe rogan
But you can't.
cody tucker
Yeah, exactly.
But they don't do the whole, you know, you used to go and then you'd crush up your peanuts and you just...
Dump that shit on the floor.
unidentified
I know.
cody tucker
Isn't that nuts?
joe rogan
They used to have them at Five Guys.
You used to go to Five Guys and eat peanuts.
Not anymore.
Everybody's dying.
cody tucker
I know.
joe rogan
You can't even eat them in the room because if someone is near you that has a severe peanut allergy, that's why they don't have them on planes anymore.
Remember they used to have them on planes?
unidentified
Oh, really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You can't even eat peanuts.
If you and I were sitting next to each other on a plane and I have a severe peanut allergy and you start eating them, I could die just sitting next to you, breathing your peanutty air.
cody tucker
God, what a great way to kill someone if you really wanted to and get away with it.
joe rogan
I didn't know.
cody tucker
Just peanut dust someone.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
See the BB&J and just...
unidentified
Pocket peanuts.
joe rogan
Yeah, you just have some mashed up peanuts you toss on them.
unidentified
God, what a...
joe rogan
Like fucking anthrax.
cody tucker
Great way to kill someone.
joe rogan
It is nuts.
Like for everybody else, it's just yummy part of Snickers.
And for you, it's basically anthrax.
cody tucker
It is because I'm allergic to seafood, like shellfish.
Any selfish.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you're also allergic to roaches then?
You can't eat roaches?
You know how we found that out?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fear factor?
cody tucker
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
That's what was from that.
joe rogan
That's how I found that out.
cody tucker
Well, because there is a thing where...
Scientists who research cockroaches usually tend to develop an allergy to coffee and to roaches, and I think also to shellfish.
joe rogan
Wow.
cody tucker
Yeah, because they're just studying roaches constantly, which, what a fucking job.
But yeah, they end up developing a coffee allergy.
But yeah, that's interesting.
joe rogan
Why coffee?
Because they're just drinking coffee all the time?
cody tucker
I don't know.
I mean, probably because roaches are...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
Some people can develop an allergy to coffee if they're also allergic to cockroaches.
So becoming allergic to cockroaches, working with them, is what makes them allergic to...
So it's tropomyosin, a common allergen.
Cross-reactivity means individuals allergic to cockroaches may also experience allergic reactions when consuming coffee, particularly pre-ground coffee.
cody tucker
See, in my mind, I thought it was because there was a bunch of cockroaches in pre-ground coffee.
unidentified
Ew.
cody tucker
There's bugs and like...
joe rogan
There are ground-up approaches in your morning coffee.
Jesus Christ, you're right.
Oh, no.
Bug parts and ground coffee.
So it's ground coffee.
Just get some Black Rifle beans, kids.
Stay away from ground coffee.
Ground coffee is for savages.
Like, what are you doing?
cody tucker
Folgers.
joe rogan
Grind that shit up.
cody tucker
No, you gotta...
You drink Folgers?
I don't drink coffee.
unidentified
But if I did, I'd drink Folgers and Maxwell House.
cody tucker
I don't know.
unidentified
I mean, I grew up poor and white trash.
joe rogan
Coffee's not expensive.
It's only expensive at Starbucks.
cody tucker
Well, that's true.
joe rogan
Like, buy a bag of beans, get a grinder, pour hot water.
Get it in one of these bitches.
French press.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Push that down after a minute.
Oh, wait a minute.
You want to hear it?
Here, listen to this.
cody tucker
Okay.
That does actually sound...
That sounds fucking good.
Incredible.
joe rogan
Delicious.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's real coffee.
You don't want that fucking ground-up bullshit.
Unless you do.
You know what's legit, though?
Those little packets that Starbucks has where it's instant coffee?
Those are legit.
They figured that out.
They did a really good job of developing that formula.
Is it called a Vero or something like that?
What's that Starbucks instant coffee?
It's very legit.
I've mixed it up with hot water on camping trips and hunting trips and stuff.
It's like, this is pretty fucking good.
cody tucker
That's not bad, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good.
It tastes like real coffee.
But I think, like, that was complicated to me.
I don't think, like, the cheaper instant coffee has that kind of...
cody tucker
No, I'm sure not.
joe rogan
Because if you like coffee, like, I like the flavor.
I like what it tastes like.
cody tucker
Yes.
I do, too.
It just gives me panic attacks.
joe rogan
Do you try the...
Well, and then there's the decaf.
cody tucker
Yeah, decaf gives me a fucking headache, and I don't know how they did it.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are you doing that?
cody tucker
Yes.
Like, what?
It's not like you can go in and pick out the caffeine.
It's not like an ingredient in there.
You're putting it through some sort of chemical process.
Is that safe?
I don't think so.
joe rogan
How many studies have been done on your decaffeination process?
cody tucker
I just drink tea.
I'm a big tea guy.
joe rogan
Also, tea tastes better.
If I was just going to...
Drink, like, but also tea.
Tea bags have microplastics.
You've been reading all that?
cody tucker
Oh, well, I have so much plastic inside of me.
I mean, who knows?
unidentified
I mean, the amount of Lunchables I've eaten growing up.
joe rogan
I know, the amount of times you put saran wrap over a microwave meal.
cody tucker
Oh, my God, so many times.
You just heat things up and, like...
Plastic that's all broken to shit?
joe rogan
Always.
Always.
Yeah, and then it melts because you left it in there too long?
Oh, shit.
Oh, well, it's okay.
cody tucker
Oh, I've eaten food that tasted like burnt plastic.
It sounds like, oh, I don't think this macaroni and cheese is supposed to taste like this, but...
joe rogan
There was some sort of article that was saying that many human beings have as much as a plastic, like, coffee spoon worth of plastic in their head.
In their head?
Yeah, in their head.
cody tucker
How does it get up there?
joe rogan
Blood-brain barrier.
Oh, Jesus.
Microplastics.
That microplastics get in your bloodstream.
It could be like, the sky is falling!
You're all gonna die from plastic!
It could be.
It's hard to know, because it's not like...
How many brains have you looked at?
cody tucker
Well, yeah, and then also, like, it's not like there is an actual spoon shoved in your head.
I mean, it's all spread out.
joe rogan
It's all spread out.
But also, like, do you have room for a spoonful of plastic in your head?
Because I don't have any room up there.
cody tucker
I think you do in your brain.
Your brain's mostly water.
I mean, not just you.
I'm not insulting you.
joe rogan
What your brain filter looks like if there's plastic everywhere?
Concentrations we saw in the brain tissue of normal individuals had an average age of around 45-50 years old were 4,800 micrograms per gram, or 0.48% by weight.
It's the equivalent to an entire standard plastic spoon.
In your fucking head.
Compared to autopsy brain samples from 2016, that's about 50% higher, he said.
That would mean that our brains today are 99.5% brain and the rest is plastic.
cody tucker
That's not bad.
That's a good percentage.
0.5% is not bad.
joe rogan
However, the current methods of measuring plastics may have over or underestimated their levels in the body, Campin said.
We're working hard to get a very precise estimate, which I think we will have within the next year.
cody tucker
So it may be zero and it may be 10%.
joe rogan
There's no plastic at all in there.
It's all in your balls.
Plastic in your balls.
cody tucker
Oh, I need some of that.
joe rogan
They found that.
There's plastic in your balls.
It plumps them up a little bit, like fake lips.
cody tucker
Which I need.
Yeah, I need that desperately.
joe rogan
You know, like when chicks get fillers to hide their wrinkles.
cody tucker
Exactly.
joe rogan
Plumps your balls up a little bit.
cody tucker
I'm cool with it.
joe rogan
Microwave dinner plastic.
cody tucker
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
joe rogan
It's like, we were going over this.
What was it?
Every month it was a credit card or a week?
cody tucker
I've seen this.
It's a month, I think.
unidentified
A credit card amount of plastic is consumed.
joe rogan
I don't remember if it's a week or a month, but it's something crazy.
We're like, where's it all going?
Because I've been eating for a long time.
Where are these credit cards?
cody tucker
Do you not just shit out the plastic credit card?
joe rogan
I would hope so.
I would hope so.
jamie vernon
Remember how this was studied, though?
I had to dig into it, and they had studied an animal or something and found it in the animals.
joe rogan
Rabbit animals are dumb as shit, right?
They eat bottle caps.
My dog eats everything.
jamie vernon
Every week is what it says.
cody tucker
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
My dog eats everything on the ground.
cody tucker
I don't trust animal studies.
The only way you really know is if you try it on people.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's why we've got to put them prisoners back in Alcatraz.
cody tucker
Well, do what you've got to do.
joe rogan
Hear that?
Trump is opening up Alcatraz again.
cody tucker
Oh, I didn't know that.
That's amazing.
I mean, a grand opening.
The world's crazy.
joe rogan
I like fun.
Trump saying he's going to reopen up Alcatraz is fun to me because I know that it's going to be like, what's he doing?
Trump says he'll reopen, enlarge, and rebuild Alcatraz.
It's going to be the best Alcatraz.
It's not just going to be Alcatraz.
Alcatraz, we use a federal penitentiary since 1963 at a capacity of roughly 300 people.
I went there as a kid.
cody tucker
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, when I was in...
What grade was I?
I was in San Francisco from age 7 to 11. I think I was 8 years old.
I went over there.
We have a little school trip.
We went on a ferry.
You go to Alcatraz, and you think about how the fuck someone could swim.
There's a dude, Nick Diaz, a UFC fighter.
He's done it five times.
cody tucker
Swim from Alcatraz?
joe rogan
Yeah, five times.
cody tucker
I wouldn't do that.
joe rogan
In shark-infested water, by the way.
cody tucker
Pay me to do that.
joe rogan
Fuck all that.
cody tucker
I mean, I can swim like a motherfucker.
joe rogan
But do you know the kind of balls you have to have to know that, you know, you don't have a life vest.
You're just swimming.
You have to be able to swim all the way to shore with sharks underneath you everywhere.
And you know if they bite you, you're dead.
And you know they bite people.
cody tucker
I'd rather just be in prison, really.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's doing it for funsies.
cody tucker
Oh, you're doing it for Diaz.
joe rogan
Nick Diaz does it in between.
MMA fights, he was doing this.
cody tucker
Well, the Diaz brothers, that's a set of balls unlike no other.
Those guys are legends.
For sure.
In every sense of the word.
That doesn't surprise me at all, actually, that they swim in from Alcatraz.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
Well, people missed Nick's prime.
Because Nick's prime, a lot of it happened in Strikeforce.
People missed that.
That's when he was just so dominant.
cody tucker
So he came into the UFC kind of later into his...
joe rogan
Well, he started the UFC very early.
So he knocks out Robbie Lawler early in his career, has some great fights early in his career.
So he was in the UFC early on, but then left the UFC and went over to Strikeforce, where I think he reached his prime.
Like when he beat Frank Shamrock and Cyborg.
He was in his fucking prime over there, like a world championship caliber prime.
But that guy would swim from Alcatraz in between his...
He's training for fights, and in between training for fights, he's running triathlons and hitting the bong while he's doing it.
Like, it's hilarious.
He's high as fuck running triathlons.
cody tucker
You ever just see someone and you're like, you're so different than me?
joe rogan
So different.
cody tucker
Like, our lives couldn't be more different.
joe rogan
My friend Cam Haynes right now is running a 250-mile race with a broken foot.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Bro, if my foot was broken, I would get it fixed, and I definitely wouldn't run.
I might not ever run again.
cody tucker
He's doing half of the Daytona 500 on a broken foot.
joe rogan
On a broken foot.
In the mountains.
Going through the mountains.
cody tucker
No, thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, pass, please.
unidentified
I mean, I wouldn't even go do that fat boy 5K.
cody tucker
You think I'm going to be doing that?
jamie vernon
Courtney Dowalter's currently in second place.
She's already around 48 miles today.
joe rogan
That's so nuts.
cody tucker
When did it start?
joe rogan
Courtney Dillwalter.
We've had her on the podcast before.
She's an animal.
A pure animal.
cody tucker
So it started this morning?
Is that what you said?
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
48 miles.
jamie vernon
She's behind by three miles right now.
joe rogan
Who's ahead of her?
jamie vernon
A guy named Harold Subertas.
joe rogan
Does he win these things?
There's only a few people.
She's one of them.
Courtney's one of them.
There's only a few people that win these things.
A lot of people start off real fast, but you can't keep it up for three days.
cody tucker
Could you imagine running 48 miles in a day and you're in second place?
joe rogan
Not even in a day.
In like five hours.
cody tucker
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Can you imagine you run 48 miles and you're like, well, you lost.
joe rogan
Yeah, bro, you're three miles behind.
Like, what?
cody tucker
Yeah, it's nuts.
Yeah, I'd put a shotgun in my mouth so quick before I did any of that.
joe rogan
But we need people like you, and we need people like them.
That's the beautiful thing about the human race, is that we're all so fucking different.
Yeah.
There's so many versions of humans out there, and we should, really, we should celebrate that.
cody tucker
I love it.
joe rogan
That's a good thing.
cody tucker
I love how different, like, whenever I go back and look at, like, people from history or whatever, that's like one of the...
The things I like the most about it is how I'm like, God, that person's night and day different from me.
But that's so cool that they did what they did or whatever.
Like a Teddy Roosevelt.
There's nothing about me that is like Teddy Roosevelt.
joe rogan
How about that dude that ate that guy's heart that had been pickled?
cody tucker
Oh, yeah, William Buckland.
Yeah, he ate King Louis XIV's heart.
Tell that fucking story.
Yeah, well, King Louis XIV just in general, an absolute nut job.
Birthing fetish, like to watch women give birth.
Don't we all?
unidentified
But yeah, so he dies.
cody tucker
130 years later, you know, his heart has been preserved in what I guess would be formaldehyde.
And it's sitting in this guy's office, basically.
And a fellow, I think he was like the Archbishop of Canterbury, I don't know, some lord, whatever their little fruity little names they give each other.
But then this fellow named William Buckland comes in and who had kind of like a notorious...
Big stomach, ate a lot of weird shit, and he saw the heart and was like, holy hell, that's the heart of King Louis XIV.
I've never eaten the heart of a king before, so how about I just give it a try?
And then they come back in, and he's eaten the damn heart.
unidentified
Raw?
cody tucker
Well, preserved.
I mean, it's about as preserved as it gets.
It's been preserved for 130 years.
joe rogan
But he's not even cooking it.
That's my point.
cody tucker
No, no, no, no.
He didn't have like a hot plate in there.
joe rogan
Just pulling it out.
cody tucker
Yeah, it wasn't in the microwave.
joe rogan
Imagine being in the room with that guy when he takes those bites.
You'd be like...
Oh, God.
You'd be retching.
Like, what are you doing, man?
cody tucker
The smell of formaldehyde.
Have you ever dissected like an animal or something in high school?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
cody tucker
That smell is like a smell that...
I can smell it right now thinking about it, you know?
Like, it's one of those things that never leaves you.
It's like a dead body smell.
joe rogan
Biting into a raw heart with that smell.
It's probably pretty tender.
jamie vernon
He tried to eat everything.
joe rogan
He doffs his cab to Victorian feud hero, a gentleman whose ambition was to eat an example of every animal in existence.
Again, this is Courtney, Del Walter, and Cam Haynes who are running 250 miles right now, and this is this dude who's like, I want to eat one of everything.
I want to eat a fucking rat.
unidentified
I mean, what a...
joe rogan
This guy ate rats.
He probably had rabies.
He kept a pet jackal in his house.
This guy had a jackal in his house.
He built the country's first mosque, had a jackal in his house.
He lived in a hut made from driftwood, dressed as a mermaid, and excommunicated his cat.
jamie vernon
There's somebody else, though.
cody tucker
I really should have done a guy named Robert.
jamie vernon
Hawker.
joe rogan
Oh.
To the West, famed Cornish poet Robert Stephen Hawker lived in a...
So this is not him?
jamie vernon
These are just a bunch of weird guys that were living in that time, I think.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, so it's a different cat.
jamie vernon
Then it goes into that.
joe rogan
Oh, this is a different cat.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah.
Not any of these were...
joe rogan
Oh, I thought it was the same guy.
Okay, this is just a bunch of weirdos all throughout history.
So, Major General Charles George Gordon.
cody tucker
So, it's the third paragraph that starts with William Buckland, I think.
jamie vernon
These are all eccentric guys from...
joe rogan
Oh, different people.
cody tucker
So, then right here, Buckland was born.
I think that's all going to be about him.
jamie vernon
This is also pretty good, though.
Don't leave this out.
joe rogan
Right.
So, this guy, Major General Charles George Gordon, a British Army officer whose day job saw him fight a series of bloody campaigns across the Middle East and Africa, yet was almost as notorious for believing the Earth was encased in a hollow sphere.
And that the Garden of Eden was located in the sea somewhere off the coast of Seychelles.
Seychelles.
jamie vernon
People believe that now.
cody tucker
I don't think you might not be wrong.
joe rogan
William Buckland, so the man who ate everything, born in 1784, a year in which famine in Japan claimed 300,000 lives and a massive locust swarm hit South Africa.
Coincidence, of course, but it fits in the theme of this blog.
Nicely, so I'm leaving it in.
So this guy ate everything he could.
He had his hand in a huge hyena skull.
He suddenly dashed on the steps, rushed skull in hand, the first undergraduate on the front bench, and shouted, What rules the world?
The youth, terrified, answered not a word.
He rushed then onto me, pointing the hyena full in my face.
What rules the world?
Having an idea, I said.
The stomach, sir, he cried, rules the world.
The great ones eat the less, the less, the lesser still.
So he just thought he was going to be great by eating everything?
jamie vernon
Here's some of the stuff he was eating.
joe rogan
So his lifelong personal ambition, which is to eat an example of every animal in existence, like some kind of crazed, bloodthirsty Noah.
Oh, my God.
He ate a porpoise, a puppy, and a panther.
cody tucker
Aw, alliteration.
joe rogan
And that's just the piece.
Mice on toast were a regular feature of his no-doubt popular soirees.
Oh, my God.
He ate a porpoise and a puppy.
Jesus Christ.
cody tucker
I mean, the porpoise probably wouldn't be so bad.
I'd eat the puppy.
It's like dog veal.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
cody tucker
I mean, I wouldn't necessarily eat.
jamie vernon
Like flagstones to this proof of myth.
Myth identifying the flavor as...
Bat urine.
How would you know that so quick?
unidentified
Well, I think you had a real good reason.
joe rogan
But eating the heart, I bet all those years of formaldehyde is probably quite tender.
Right?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, it probably melts your mouth with butter.
cody tucker
What if it just tasted amazing for some reason?
joe rogan
Right.
What if it got you high?
cody tucker
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Because that's how you find God.
jamie vernon
Some guy had it.
A guy had it.
cody tucker
Yeah, Lord Harcourt.
That's who I was talking about.
joe rogan
Esoterica.
Imagine how mad he'd be if some guy ate your heart that you've been saving.
cody tucker
I'd be pissed.
joe rogan
The worst thing Buckland ever ate?
Blue bottles.
What does that blue bottles mean?
unidentified
It's a diet.
cody tucker
I had a fish starter at Maslow's.
unidentified
I think this is...
jamie vernon
Might be some sort of...
unidentified
Is it just a joke?
joe rogan
Blue bottles.
What could that be?
Unless he's actually eating...
Glass?
unidentified
I don't think that's what it is.
cody tucker
Oh!
joe rogan
Portuguese Manowar.
cody tucker
It's a pretty cool looking thing.
joe rogan
Wow, that looks like a mermaid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Click on that one in the upper...
Yeah, right there.
No, the one to the right of that?
Yeah.
Look at that fucking thing.
cody tucker
Yeah, you know, I kind of do want to eat that.
I'm sort of with him on this.
joe rogan
So is that like a jellyfish?
cody tucker
Yeah, Manowar's a jellyfish.
joe rogan
So that must be insanely toxic.
cody tucker
But I think Manowar, aren't they like, yeah, like super venomous?
joe rogan
He ate that?
Of course it's the worst thing.
unidentified
Maybe they're not.
joe rogan
It literally could kill you.
cody tucker
That doesn't seem like it'd be the worst thing, though.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't need everything, I guess.
He probably died along the way.
You can only do that for so long before your body says, fuck you.
unidentified
Yeah, I wonder how long you lived.
joe rogan
Yeah, how long did that guy live?
Find out how long that guy lived.
cody tucker
Have you ever heard of him?
joe rogan
How old was that guy when he died?
unidentified
1856?
cody tucker
Oh, he lived for a pretty good amount of time.
joe rogan
Pretty decent amount of time.
unidentified
84 to 72. Pretty decent amount of time eating everything he could.
cody tucker
That's a ripe age for him.
joe rogan
Back then, too, when there's no fucking doctors, the doctors are all guessing.
cody tucker
Yeah, and just coming to your house one after another.
joe rogan
You break your leg, they bust out a meat saw.
cody tucker
Yeah, like, wash my hands.
joe rogan
They tie that fucking leg down and saw it off at the hip, and you're screaming.
They tell you to bite a piece of leather.
That was a doctor back then.
cody tucker
They thought germs didn't exist.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were dirty fingers, pulling babies out, everybody's dying of sepsis.
unidentified
Nuts.
cody tucker
Have you ever heard of a tarare?
unidentified
Tarare was a guy, a T-A-R-R-A-R-E, I think.
joe rogan
What's this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
He kind of discovered dinosaurs.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Same guy?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That ate everything?
unidentified
Yeah.
Whoa.
joe rogan
That's another fun one.
The dinosaurs aren't real?
That's a fun one.
unidentified
I can buy it to an extent because there are so many fakes.
joe rogan
The reality.
In the early days of dinosaur research, there was two guys that were competing with each other and they were faking fossils.
That's true.
But also dinosaurs are real.
But also, like, that alligator gar, that's a fucking living dinosaur.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They used to exist, for sure.
cody tucker
Well, some of the, like, real big ones, you're like, they've never found one of those.
They just find like a...
joe rogan
Some stuff, right?
cody tucker
They find some stuff and then they go, well, we think it probably looked like this based on its vertebrae looking like this.
And when you go see the skeleton at the Perot Museum or wherever, that's all fake.
There's maybe one piece in there that's real.
joe rogan
Right.
There are some of those.
cody tucker
I can get the skepticism behind that a little bit.
But to say like, oh, the whole thing's...
Like that there is no such thing as a dinosaur, that's bullshit.
joe rogan
It seems silly that people would just lie openly about that.
But there are some that are intact.
Like they found some raptors that are intact.
They found some stuff that's intact.
I have a friend and his buddy found a fucking T-Rex in Montana.
I don't know how much of it they found.
They found quite a bit of it, though.
To the point where they brought in a professional excavation and they pulled out this big-ass fucking T-Rex in Montana.
cody tucker
Could you imagine?
joe rogan
Montana used to be a part of the Great Inland Sea.
There was a sea.
There's like seashells up there, which is nuts.
cody tucker
That's probably what the Badlands were.
joe rogan
I mean, what was it called?
There was, like, a particular name for, like, the great...
josh olin
There was a North American, like, inland ocean.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bananas, man.
cody tucker
Ocean of America.
Yeah, that's a...
joe rogan
And there's T-Rexes around it.
Like...
unidentified
That's...
God.
joe rogan
Imagine if there was, like, one point in the history.
Western Interior Seaway?
The Western Interior Seaway.
unidentified
Oh, so that's what it looked like.
joe rogan
A large inland sea that existed roughly over present-day Great Plains of North America.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
If there was a time that you could just...
Look at that.
Look at what it used to look like.
That's so nuts.
And look at the Appalachians.
That's what America looked like.
Florida was completely underwater.
That's nuts.
cody tucker
Most of Texas.
joe rogan
Where we are is above water, but fuck, man.
That's crazy how much water there was.
Isn't that nuts?
unidentified
Yeah, it's the whole Texas.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Nevada's not.
cody tucker
And Tulsa's alright.
unidentified
They made it out.
joe rogan
Massachusetts is okay.
That is crazy to see how big that was.
unidentified
Yeah, that's...
joe rogan
And there's all kinds of nutty shit that was living in that water too, man.
cody tucker
Jesus, yeah.
I mean, because agar is like the least of...
That's like a minnow compared to some of the shit that was probably around there.
joe rogan
It's a chicken compared to like a great eagle.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a host eagle.
The eagles that hunted people in New Zealand.
cody tucker
Yeah.
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
Eagles jack people.
Fuck, man.
They think that's why they went extinct.
cody tucker
I hope they bring dinosaurs back.
joe rogan
They probably are going to.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
I mean, part of me is kind of against it, but then part of me is because Josh Park's my favorite movie.
jamie vernon
They got Leather.
Did you see that someone's against?
joe rogan
T-Rex.
cody tucker
T-Rex purse.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to make T-Rex purses.
I'm going to get a T-Rex fanny pack.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
For sure.
cody tucker
I mean.
joe rogan
I'm going to rock that shit.
cody tucker
What more badass of a thing could there possibly be than a T-Rex fanny pack?
joe rogan
I know, right?
unidentified
I'm with you.
cody tucker
Yeah, T-Rex Crocs.
joe rogan
The company claims leather made from 66 million-year-old dinosaur DNA is coming.
I think some people are very skeptical about this.
We should probably say this.
One of the things that the guys from Colossal were telling me, the guys who resurrected the dire wolf, they were telling me, Ben Lamb was telling me, that when it comes to DNA of dinosaurs, they don't really have DNA of dinosaurs.
It's too old.
They don't have full DNA.
Profiles, or whatever you would call it.
But what they will be able to do is sort of engineer a dinosaur, which is even crazier.
Take the surviving creatures, like chickens, shit like that, that have dinosaur DNA, because chickens are full-on dinosaurs.
Take their DNA and engineer a T-Rex out of that.
Or a raptor.
A raptor, like, way smarter than a crow.
How about that?
Like, hunting people through the woods.
A little five-foot fucking creepy super lizard that can run 50 miles an hour.
cody tucker
Clever girl.
Yeah, that would be...
joe rogan
God, dude.
cody tucker
I'd love it.
I hope they do.
joe rogan
They could do that.
They're really...
Look, if they can take human beings and integrate them with tardigrade DNA and have them become fucking superheroes, they can make a dinosaur.
cody tucker
Man.
joe rogan
They made dire wolves.
They made three of them.
cody tucker
Which is insane.
joe rogan
It's so crazy, too.
It's nuts.
Like, they exist.
I think they're like 11 months old now or something like that.
cody tucker
Oh, it's that?
unidentified
Jesus.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't...
Ben Lamb told me he doesn't go around them anymore.
Like, he bottle-fed them when they were puppies.
But then when they got to a certain age, he's like, uh, I think we're done.
Like, after like four or five months.
Like, I think we're done.
What was that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The T-Rex DNA is 66 million years old.
It dies.
The DNA starts to go away as soon as they die.
And the oldest preserved DNA on record currently is only 2 million years old.
So it wouldn't be a T-Rex.
joe rogan
So it wouldn't be a T-Rex.
But they might be able to make exactly what we think a T-Rex was.
But we would be really off.
Because we don't know what their tissue looked like.
That's where it gets really strange.
Like all the stuff that rots away.
Have you ever seen, like, an artist's depiction of what, if they take a hippo skull, like, what an artist's depiction of what the animal could look like?
cody tucker
No.
joe rogan
It looks like a monster.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah, yeah, I would imagine.
joe rogan
And then you see the reality, and it's like, oh, hungry, hungry hippo, big old sweetie.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
Hippo looks like a sweetie with cute little ears.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then artists have depicted it, like, if we didn't know what it looked like, maybe it looked like this.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
cody tucker
Yeah.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
The meme says how aliens would reconstruct it.
joe rogan
Oh, that's interesting.
cody tucker
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
The one in the middle.
But you could.
If you came from another planet and you saw this, like, oh my god, this thing must have been a terrific looking beast.
cody tucker
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
The skull.
How aliens would reconstruct the animal and it's an elephant.
Wow.
Oh, that's cool.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet that's where the Cyclops myth comes from.
cody tucker
Seen elephant skulls?
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
That actually makes perfect...
I've never seen an elephant skull, so I had no clue there was...
Which makes sense, because it's the trunk.
jamie vernon
I don't even know if it's...
Where the trunk is, yeah.
I don't know if it's the elephant skull.
joe rogan
I think it is, Jamie.
cody tucker
That's got to be...
unidentified
I mean, it makes sense, because the trunk just goes right to the mouth.
jamie vernon
Look at that.
joe rogan
Bro, that has to be where the Cyclops comes from.
Has to be, right?
cody tucker
Has to, yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you found a female one that didn't have tusks.
jamie vernon
I think it's listening to you, but...
cody tucker
Bro.
joe rogan
What'd you say, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I didn't even type in Cyclops, and it was the first thing that was on top.
joe rogan
Maybe it's because that's a theory that's been around for a long time.
jamie vernon
I've been noticing this happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, look, it says that right there.
Right there, Reddit.
Cyclops is likely inspired by Elphinsville.
jamie vernon
I've been noticing this happen a lot.
You'll be saying something.
joe rogan
You think the government's listening?
jamie vernon
Well, they're helping us.
It's auto-completing what you just said.
joe rogan
They're fans of the show, Jamie.
They're trying to help out.
But it makes sense.
I mean, if you found stuff from a long...
What do you think of...
Here's one that always gets me.
Stories of giants.
cody tucker
I want that to be real so bad.
I want all of this to be real.
joe rogan
That the Smithsonian's been hiding the information.
Those are the big conspiracies.
cody tucker
Could be.
joe rogan
Down in their basement, they've got like a 10-foot-tall human being.
A race of giants that existed.
Rome, the earth.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
David and Goliath's a real story.
cody tucker
It just seems like they wouldn't be gone.
They wouldn't be the ones that would have been killed off.
joe rogan
Unless, in the cataclysm, like the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, there wasn't enough food.
cody tucker
Oh, brother.
joe rogan
And they died off, you know?
Because if you're that big, you need to eat a lot.
cody tucker
So you think they were around, like, way long ago?
joe rogan
They died off way long ago.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think like recently, but I think like it is.
There's so many stories and so many cultures have these stories, even in the Bible, of a race of giants.
Like it seems like it couldn't just be big people.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
It seems like what they're talking about is something crazy.
cody tucker
I guess it could be.
joe rogan
It could be.
cody tucker
Because if you're just mythologizing, that's a word.
But if you're just turning something that is real, this is the same with a dragon.
People obviously just get inspired by things that are around them.
They start to morph into things.
I mean, there was no fire-breathing animal flying around.
joe rogan
Probably crocodiles and shit like that.
cody tucker
Yeah, crocodiles.
And then there are cobras that spit venom, which obviously gets in your eyes.
Probably going to burn like a son of a bitch.
So there's the fire myth.
joe rogan
And people exaggerate.
cody tucker
Yeah, so people will take somebody who is a big son of a bitch and they go, oh, well, let's exaggerate and say that the guy he fought was nine feet tall instead of six foot five.
joe rogan
Exactly.
cody tucker
Which he probably was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But also, when you talk about races of these giants, you could also be talking about people from Iceland.
cody tucker
Yeah, who were naturally big as hell.
joe rogan
Enormous Viking dudes.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who always win those fucking strongmen competitions.
You know, those guys are...
There's giants up there.
cody tucker
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like the Mountain from Game of Thrones.
Like that kind of person.
So you think about that.
That size human.
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
There could have been a bunch of those around, and maybe that's what they were talking about, giants.
unidentified
Or...
joe rogan
There could have been, like, a specific race of humans.
Like, they keep finding these additional types of humans.
Like, they found Denisovans fairly recently.
And then that other one that we brought up the other day, the big-headed people, that's fairly recently.
They've discovered that this is a completely different branch.
But here's the thing.
If they did find those, would they tell us?
Like, if archaeologists...
Like, who would put the cap on that?
If they found, like, a...
10-foot human.
Just gigantic dead human with a huge sword underground.
Would they just say, we're wrong.
Giants existed.
Or would they go, people can't handle this?
cody tucker
That's the question for so many things.
joe rogan
They might say people can't handle it.
It's not outside the realm of possibility.
cody tucker
I would say, yeah, they'd probably say...
joe rogan
Isn't that infuriating?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if it was you?
Now imagine you're out in West Texas, wherever you are, hanging out with your friends and somebody notices something in the ground and you start digging.
And you pull out a fucking thigh bone that's this big, and you plop it down.
You go, what the fuck is that?
And then you got a buddy who works at the university nearby, and he starts digging.
He's like, hey, dude, this is a fucking human foot.
And he pulls out a human foot that's size 38. And you're like, what is going on, man?
And so then you bring in some experts, and they're like, holy shit, dude, this is a giant.
And then they do DNA tests.
They find out it's a real, actual creature.
cody tucker
Yeah.
I'm telling everyone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're going to kill you.
They're going to kill you.
The scientists will kill you.
They're going to run you off the road.
cody tucker
Look at this.
jamie vernon
Longest, or I guess it would be the tallest.
joe rogan
That people have ever found?
jamie vernon
That they've ever found.
It was found in China.
It's supposedly about 4,400 years old.
Would have been about 16, 18 years old.
The weird thing here is, though, that it says there was three drill holes found in the skull, and they don't know why.
cody tucker
Whoa.
joe rogan
Drill holes.
How big was it?
jamie vernon
6-4.
joe rogan
Oh.
Well, back then, that was probably fucking huge.
cody tucker
Well, you said they found it in China?
Yeah.
That's a giant.
jamie vernon
And they're calling it, yeah, they call it a giant.
joe rogan
It might be Mongolian, you know?
cody tucker
Well, compared to the Chinese that are found, they're probably like, holy shit.
jamie vernon
Goliath is anywhere from modern day, maybe they say up to 6-6, but taking the word for word from the Bible, it would have been about 9-9.
cody tucker
Yeah, that's what I always thought.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
Well, back then, nobody had any food, and the average man was probably like 5 '4".
So if you encounter some dude who's 6 '6", some big jack guy, that is a giant.
cody tucker
That's a giant.
joe rogan
And also, you've got to think, human beings, if they exist today and they're 6 '6", they had a potential to be that big back then.
They just didn't get the food.
But if you are in some very nutrient-rich environment...
jamie vernon
Both those guys play pro basketball.
cody tucker
Muggsy Bogues, yeah.
jamie vernon
But there's smaller people that exist that can function and do stuff.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
But what's crazy is that the potential for that guy, the Yao guy, who's...
How tall is he?
That exists in the human genome, right?
That's not like we engineered them like we did dogs.
Like, that exists.
So maybe back then, if you had a ton of food and you didn't have to worry about war, like, and people just kept breeding and growing and getting nutrient-rich.
Because the thing about people in the past was they didn't get any fucking food, man.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the average size of a guy who fought in the Civil War was, I think, 125 pounds or something.
cody tucker
Five foot four and 120, I think.
unidentified
Nuts.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Starving to death.
Starving to death.
They're shooting people with muskets.
cody tucker
It's like a 14-year-old girl.
I mean, that's like, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
And all they needed was food.
You know, you give them protein and then they grow normal-sized, which is really wild.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Because there's tons of people that are well over seven feet.
It's not like it's, I mean, it is an anomaly compared to everyone.
jamie vernon
Speaking of, there's one guy in the Civil War, 7 '6".
7 '6".
joe rogan
Whoa!
jamie vernon
Everybody else was 5 '8".
Average 5 '8".
joe rogan
He was 7 '6 in the Civil War.
Holy shit.
cody tucker
Oh, that's not a picture of him, I guess.
joe rogan
But the thing about the stories in the Bible, though, it's like these are like mystical giants.
The Nephilim, you know?
Look at this guy.
cody tucker
There you go.
joe rogan
Bro, you do not want to box that guy.
jamie vernon
7 '6".
unidentified
7 '6".
cody tucker
Well, she must be pretty tall.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
I mean...
joe rogan
She probably needed to do that big, take care of her.
cody tucker
Yeah, probably.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
She can't be in this 5 '8 guy.
unidentified
Yeah, she can't be fucking with me.
joe rogan
She'll hold me down.
I'll have to fight that lady to the death.
cody tucker
No chance.
joe rogan
She needs a big man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's a big giant man to fuck her correctly.
cody tucker
Yes.
joe rogan
But the stories from the Bible and the stories from different...
Even the ancient Sumerian culture, they had the depictions of the Anunnaki and these big giant people.
What was that?
What is that all about?
Like, is that a story about a thing that used to be real?
Or is it bullshit?
Because it seems like the more we uncover with ancient history, just like Troy and probably Atlantis, the more you realize, like, none of it was bullshit.
It was just their version of trying to tell you the story.
Yeah, right.
All this stuff about the Nephilim, the Anunnaki, there's probably some sort of a story.
It's just parsing out what it really was after a thousand years of people just telling it before somebody writes it down.
cody tucker
Yeah, I think it's more just, yeah, you know, you're getting word of mouth over such a long time.
And it's probably exaggerated from the jump because you're just trying to tell.
Trying to tell a story.
Creativity isn't a new thing.
People were always creative.
joe rogan
And always lying.
cody tucker
And always trying to use their imagination.
And ultimately to create some sort of allegory.
I don't think any of it was true.
I think it was all just...
I think it makes sense how it all got created and how every culture has their own version.
joe rogan
To me, it's like an echo of the truth.
It's like there's an echo there, like, God, what was the original thing?
What was it all about?
Because, like, there's an echo to a lot of it, a lot of ancient stories and a lot of religious stories, too.
They're just like, man, I think something was going on.
And I think this is the echo of, like, this historical depiction of probably something real that went down, like the Noah and the Ark story.
I think that's a historical...
That's a depiction of that flood that we saw that wiped out Atlantis.
cody tucker
Without a doubt.
I mean, that's part of the epic of Gilgamesh.
unidentified
There's a giant flood.
I mean, that's the oldest story ever written that we know of.
cody tucker
And it's not the only one that depicts a massive flood.
Pretty much every religion that's that old has some story involving a flood.
joe rogan
I think when you apply that...
To all the other stories, too.
You should probably assume that it wasn't fiction.
It might not be accurate because of all the factors that we already laid out.
Right.
Because of people.
But it's probably the echoes of a real story.
unidentified
Well, The Flood is...
cody tucker
Yeah, so I do think that...
Because that's part of allegory is taking something that is real and then you just make almost a fairy tale out of it.
unidentified
Right.
cody tucker
But you still have the...
Because you're telling...
In that sense, you're like...
Saving history, like you're preserving history, but you're not doing it in the sense that we would, as we would do it now, where we would like...
Dictate time and date and names.
You're just saying, oh, there was this great event that happened in our ancestors' time.
joe rogan
And if they figured this out, imagine if they figured out all these things thousands and thousands of years ago.
Then you have the flood, the impacts, society has to rebuild.
Then you're telling these stories over and over and over after all this time.
That would kind of account for a lot of things.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
And one of them would be that God created the universe in six days.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, like, what is the Big Bang?
cody tucker
Right.
joe rogan
What is six days?
Like, what are you saying?
Like, what does that mean?
Is it just a short amount of time?
Is that what you're trying to say?
Is that like 72 virgins?
You know, when they say 72 virgins in heaven, they don't really mean 72 virgins.
It's like a fuckload.
It's like the way of saying a fuckload.
Like, when you say God created the universe in six days, like, maybe that means, maybe that's the Big Bang.
Like, maybe you're literally talking about the birth of the universe.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
In a very short period of time.
cody tucker
Yeah.
unidentified
Just shut up.
joe rogan
Boom!
If the universe is infinite, it's been around forever, what is, like, that quick burst?
What is that?
cody tucker
Yeah.
I mean, that's, yeah, that's, I mean, that's how...
joe rogan
If you were trying to recall that story...
Right.
cody tucker
You would say, yeah, on this day this happened, this day that happened, but ultimately it's just day after day after day, and then seven days you rest, and otherwise, yeah, you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you were trying to explain the birth of the universe that happened, that, like...
People were talking about it for thousands of years and then someone wrote it down on clay tablets thousands of years later.
These are just the memories of some ancient knowledge where people really had reached a level of sophistication that we could only imagine.
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they were just flat-lined right back to cave people again.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody tucker
I mean, that's what happened.
Yeah, because like Greek mythology, all those mythology, it's like...
An actual birth.
It all starts with like there's darkness and then there's light.
And that's like a common theme with pretty much every religion, every mythology is there was a sea of darkness, then there was light.
joe rogan
Yeah, what if that's their version of the description of the Big Bang?
cody tucker
Yeah, it's just turning on a light.
joe rogan
That's how you describe the Big Bang to someone who has no concept of science.
Like, no idea.
Like, what are you talking about?
Atoms?
What?
Right.
What, molecules?
Subatomic particles?
What the fuck are you even saying?
cody tucker
Yeah, exactly.
You'd be like, yeah, imagine walking into a darkroom and flicking a light switch, and suddenly everything's here.
unidentified
There was light.
Yeah.
cody tucker
I mean, that's the common theme throughout any of those religions.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think the appeal of, like, a page like yours and the kind of...
That kind of thing.
It's like people always love to learn cool shit and interesting shit.
cody tucker
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Whether it's interesting shit about the universe or UFOs or crazy people throughout history.
Guy wrote Outlaw Josie Wells being a piece of shit.
unidentified
I mean, the KKK is just not good.
cody tucker
They aren't big enough assholes.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, it's such a good movie.
unidentified
It sucks.
cody tucker
Yeah, it is.
unidentified
I mean, it's not like you can't watch the damn movie, but...
joe rogan
You gotta separate the man from the art.
Always.
And then also there's a bunch of other influences, I'm sure, where they wrote the script and changed a bunch of things.
cody tucker
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
No, people love learning shit.
You just gotta make it interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
cody tucker
School, I hated school.
But I had a couple teachers that made it interesting.
And I loved every day going to those classes.
Every other class could get fucked.
I was trying to skip.
I was trying to do whatever I could to get out of there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's unfortunate, right?
It's like enthusiasm of the teacher is so important.
And the competency of the teacher is so important.
cody tucker
It makes...
Like I had a teacher, Mr. Simmons.
It was a high school history teacher.
And every day would tell like a story kind of similar to that.
Or not every day, but every day before like a big test.
That's how he started off.
Clear your minds.
Like, don't worry about this test.
Like, I'm going to tell you something.
And he had, like, this real deep, like, booming voice.
It was, like, the most fascinating shit ever.
And he would just tell this story that had nothing to do with the test.
It doesn't matter.
Like, he's like, this is just interesting.
Like, y 'all would like this.
joe rogan
It's fun.
Those people are so important.
cody tucker
I mean, that's, yeah, that guy, like, probably inspired me to do all kinds, like, more, probably, yeah.
joe rogan
It didn't, it took until I was long out of school before I really started getting interested in learning things.
cody tucker
Yeah, yeah.
I mean.
I didn't start really just diving into shit until after school.
I felt like all the way through school, through college, got my degree and all that.
I don't think I learned a damn thing.
I learned that college was a waste of time.
joe rogan
You learned how to get some student debt.
cody tucker
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, yeah.
That's all.
I mean, I didn't learn a fucking thing from any of that.
joe rogan
But they'll tell you that that's the only way to go.
cody tucker
No.
joe rogan
Which is just like, how do you know we're in space?
cody tucker
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this is crazy.
The people in the 1900s figured it out forever.
It can't be improved upon.
Are you fucking sure?
cody tucker
Yeah.
It's crazy, man.
joe rogan
Well, listen, brother.
Really fun talking to you.
cody tucker
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
I really appreciate it.
I really appreciate your channel.
It's very fun.
And now you know.
Mind-blowing stories from history and pop culture.
Cody Tucker out now.
Really fun talking to you, brother.
Let's do it again sometime.
cody tucker
Absolutely.
joe rogan
All right.
Thanks, sir.
cody tucker
Thank you.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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