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March 22, 2025 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE Fight Companion - March 22, 2025
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joe rogan
Hey, we're up!
We're up!
We're up!
It's not a good sign that the fights are still going on for the prelims.
That must mean there's a lot of decisions.
A lot of prelims.
A lot of prelims, but also a lot of decisions.
Like, usually they time it out better, because it's like 3-0-4 now, and this is 1-37 to go in the third round of Jai Herbert.
brendan schaub
Not ideal.
joe rogan
No, but, you know...
Shit happens.
At least they're not doing it at 5 o'clock in the morning.
True. That was fucking ridiculous.
If I was Leon, I'd be pissed.
eddie bravo
What time was it in the UK when they said this?
joe rogan
It's normal time.
brendan schaub
It's 7 hours ahead.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it's nighttime there.
So it's like 10 p.m. right now.
It's normal.
Are they 6 hours ahead or 7 hours ahead?
I thought it was 7. Something like that.
But either way, it's nighttime there.
eddie bravo
Have you seen any of these guys?
joe rogan
Yeah, Jai Herbert's the guy that head-kicked Ilya Teporia.
Knocked him out?
He dropped him.
eddie bravo
No, he dropped him out.
joe rogan
A vicious head kick, and then Ilya fucking starched him in the next round.
brendan schaub
He has great striking.
joe rogan
Yeah, very, very good kicks.
brendan schaub
Big prospect.
joe rogan
Real tall, long, lanky dude.
But, you know, Ilya, that guy, he connects on anybody.
They're going night-night.
brendan schaub
Oh, Joe, if you knew, I know you can't probably talk about it, but do you see Ilya's tweet where he's like, I'm going to have big news.
You guys aren't expecting it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know the news.
brendan schaub
You have no clue?
joe rogan
No, I don't know.
If I had a guess, he's probably fighting a top contender at 55. But that wouldn't be unexpected.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
He's like, you won't see this coming.
So, it's not Makashev, because we all assume that.
Makashev's not fighting.
Makashev's going up to 70. Ilya's walking around at 186.
joe rogan
He's big, man.
Connor? That's crazy.
Connor would have to be in the testing pool for a long time.
brendan schaub
He's not in the testing pool.
eddie bravo
Isn't he doing bare knuckle?
joe rogan
Connor? Well, he's running bare knuckle.
He's like one of the owners.
eddie bravo
Oh, he's not going to fight.
joe rogan
He may.
brendan schaub
He might.
unidentified
Get out of the fucking marching powder.
joe rogan
And I'm the fucking dude.
brendan schaub
He's also running for president.
eddie bravo
I might fucking fight Bare Knuckle.
joe rogan
He might.
unidentified
He might.
joe rogan
I mean, I could see him doing it.
eddie bravo
That would blow Bare Knuckle right through the stratosphere.
joe rogan
I mean, they'd have to pay him.
They'd have to pay him.
brendan schaub
Him versus Jeremy Stevens?
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Jeremy would have to win a couple more times, but Jeremy's back in the UFC.
brendan schaub
No, Jeremy's undefeated in Bare Knuckle.
joe rogan
El Matador has been my...
Oh, he changes his nickname.
He's got a new identity.
When we announce it, you won't believe it, get ready.
brendan schaub
See, when you say you won't believe it, you gotta come with some shit now.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got it, but that was a while ago.
That's March 6th.
You know, what is today?
It's 22nd.
brendan schaub
But that's the UFC being like, don't announce it yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
You know, I don't know.
Like, if I...
A perfect matchup is Gaethje.
brendan schaub
I think Charles Oliveira.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a...
That's a great...
That's a great matchup.
That's a great matchup.
brendan schaub
And now remember, he tweeted that before Gaethje's fight.
I don't think it's Gaethje.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
Oh, man.
That's a nasty cut.
brendan schaub
Horrible place, too.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
But this is the last round.
I think the fight's over.
gordon ryan
It might be over, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
Dustin Poirier.
brendan schaub
No, Dustin's fighting Max.
joe rogan
He is?
brendan schaub
I think so, for the BMF shit.
Really? I think.
Double-check that, too.
joe rogan
That's a great fight, too.
brendan schaub
I'm crazy.
joe rogan
The third go-around.
brendan schaub
At 55, and it's Max proper.
I think Max should...
joe rogan
I didn't like him going back to 45. I think it's too much of a struggle.
He got pretty big when he got up to fight Gaethje.
He put the weight on right.
brendan schaub
He looked fantastic.
joe rogan
He looked fantastic.
brendan schaub
We all remember the knocking of Gaethje in the last seconds there, but he was molly whopping him before that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was beating his ass.
And it all started off with that jump-spinning back kick to the face in the first round.
Fucked up Gaethje's already fixed nose.
brendan schaub
So that Max Holloway, the true Max Holloway at 55 versus fucking Dustin for Dustin's last fight?
In New Orleans?
joe rogan
Sure. Take my money.
The thing is, you've got to wonder how much did that Ilya Teporia knockout take out of Max.
True. Because that was a beating.
True. Ilya's just so fucking dangerous.
He's so technical.
His striking, the way he's bobbing in and moving, he's so comfortable with his head movement.
You see, he's a step ahead of everybody.
brendan schaub
He's good at everything.
And then people are like, oh, he's too small for 55. I'm like, he's actually...
That narrative don't work.
He's a big fucking boy.
joe rogan
Well, I think the 45-pound cut is...
Look, man, they should all stop cutting weight.
That's the reality.
Cutting weight is bullshit.
It's terrible for you.
They need more weight classes, and they need to stop cutting weight.
They need to figure out a way to check hydration levels and put people in a weight class.
eddie bravo
Do they still do that in one?
Who knows?
brendan schaub
One's backed off MMA.
They have a big Muay Thai fight tonight.
joe rogan
They backed off MMA, really?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're really focused on kickboxing Muay Thai.
joe rogan
I think in Asia, that gets a lot of numbers.
brendan schaub
Big time.
joe rogan
And they put on fucking shows, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, there's a huge one tonight.
joe rogan
Kickboxing and Muay Thai fights.
I think the UFC fucked up when they went with slap fighting.
I've been telling them forever, you guys should get into kickboxing.
If you only like stand-up fights, it's not like the old days of kickboxing where they're boring, like PKA, karate.
brendan schaub
There's characters, man.
joe rogan
And the knockouts are fucking crazy.
brendan schaub
Also, all your champs are coming from kickboxing.
Yeah. Alex, Izzy, like you're some monsters.
joe rogan
Kickboxing with MMA gloves in a cage would be giant in the UFC.
Just have a striking-only segment of the UFC.
brendan schaub
And Glory's coming back.
Glory's doing a heavyweight competition soon.
joe rogan
Glory's got some elite fighters, man.
I watch Glory all the time.
It's fucking exciting, but nobody's watching it.
Nobody knows who these people are.
brendan schaub
You just gotta educate the crowd.
Put the same amount of resources you did in the slap fight into kickboxing and we're cooking.
joe rogan
Because they're doing it with jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Right. They put how many millions of dollars in jiu-jitsu and they even have more of a budget for it?
A lot of it's Eddie.
You know, they put a lot of it in jiu-jitsu.
unidentified
Yeah. A lot of it is not mine.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it is.
I wish it was.
No, I'm saying as far as making it popular.
Like EFI, all that shit.
I know we're boys, but you were really the one to navigate all that.
With Fight Pass?
That was huge.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a big deal.
Having the UFC get involved heavily in jiu-jitsu is huge.
Are you still doing stuff with them?
gordon ryan
Yeah, I have a great relationship with them.
I think they're trying to put together some kind of tough show now.
Like an Ultimate Fighter show for grappling.
Which would be cool because then you can build a star from scratch.
brendan schaub
And get to know the guys.
gordon ryan
Exactly, yeah.
You can get people emotionally involved.
brendan schaub
Because they exclusively signed Mikey Mushameshi, right?
unidentified
Yeah. Boy, it's hard to get people to watch those reality shows these days.
joe rogan
I think people kind of burned out on reality shows.
brendan schaub
You know, DC and Chael are shooting one right now.
joe rogan
They're shooting The Ultimate Fighter.
brendan schaub
They've got to give up on that, bro.
joe rogan
And when you watch that?
I don't know where you watch it.
brendan schaub
It's on ESPN Plus, I think.
joe rogan
Is it?
I haven't watched it in forever.
unidentified
No one does.
joe rogan
I watch the finals.
I watch the finals to see how good the guys are who win.
You know, and see where they're at.
I watched Dana White's Contender Series probably more.
brendan schaub
That's the best thing in combat sports.
As far as talent, it's the best.
joe rogan
Because they're super hyped.
They have insane motivation.
They have this unbelievable opportunity.
If they do that, they get skyrocketed into the UFC.
brendan schaub
And it's not like Ultimate Fighter, where you can win based off grappling and just hold guys down.
They become champion of the UFC contract.
Dana White Contender Series, there's dudes who win, and he's like, nah, not excited enough.
joe rogan
So dudes go for broke.
brendan schaub
Sugar Sean came from there.
I mean, there's so many champs.
joe rogan
A lot of people came from there.
eddie bravo
Is it illegal to have a finish bonus in the UFC?
Like, you get paid whatever, $80,000 to show, $80,000 to win, and then another $80,000 if you finish the fight.
Is that illegal?
joe rogan
No, definitely not illegal.
unidentified
They do it now with performance bonuses.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would help a little bit.
eddie bravo
Go gangster and go, you know, you have show money, and then you get extra money, like, you know, double, but you have to knock them out or submit them.
See, otherwise you just get your show money.
brendan schaub
UFL does that.
I don't know if anyone wants to say it.
UFL does that.
Oh, really?
eddie bravo
Yeah. Okay, I think that's a good idea.
joe rogan
What's UFL now?
brendan schaub
What do you mean?
PFL? No, UFL.
joe rogan
What's UFL?
brendan schaub
UFL is where, like, Tony Ferguson and Dale Dennis is fighting.
joe rogan
Oh, I thought that was GFL.
brendan schaub
Yeah, GFL.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
brendan schaub
Yeah, GFL, sorry.
Yeah, there's PFL, there's GFL, UFL something else.
joe rogan
Bro, we were talking about the one fight that I'm interested in.
brendan schaub
Yo, Romero.
joe rogan
And Musasi.
brendan schaub
That's a great fight.
joe rogan
That's a great fight.
That's one fight that GFL's putting together.
I'm like, ooh, I'll watch that.
eddie bravo
Are they both over 40?
joe rogan
They're 100 years old.
Yeah, they're both 100.
brendan schaub
Yoel's 79 years old, dude.
joe rogan
I don't care.
He looked fucking amazing.
brendan schaub
Well, he's fighting in bare knuckle.
unidentified
Yeah. Too.
brendan schaub
I saw some promo with some giant dude he's fighting.
joe rogan
Did you see him box that slap fight guy?
brendan schaub
Bro, that slap fight guy.
When he jumped up in the air, I was like, oh, I fucked up.
unidentified
I fucked up.
joe rogan
Yoel just fucking jumped up in the air for no reason.
brendan schaub
Like an alien.
joe rogan
Right before he decided to beat his ass, he just jumped straight up in the air.
brendan schaub
Just some sloppy white guy.
You see him go, oh, fuck.
eddie bravo
If the UFC does kickboxing, they might as well just come out with a bang and go bare-knuckle kickboxing.
joe rogan
It's not a bad idea.
brendan schaub
Take my money.
eddie bravo
And that'll get people to check it out.
gordon ryan
Crazy. Would you do it separate from UFC events, or would you do it like one, where you have MMA fights and kickboxing events on the same card?
joe rogan
I think you could do whatever you wanted, but you definitely could have a stand-up-only show, and it would be huge.
Where they break them up if they clinch against the cage.
You don't allow them to clinch.
Do it just like kickboxing does.
Separate them.
You know, like, there's no ground fighting at all.
eddie bravo
I think that's going backwards, to tell you the truth.
joe rogan
Really? We had kickboxing.
eddie bravo
No one watched it.
We already had it.
But when the UFC came out, all of a sudden people were into martial arts again.
And if we go, that's going backwards.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying, but look, the UFC does grappling events, right?
The grappling events are pure grappling.
Why not do pure striking events, too?
MMA is always the best.
eddie bravo
Well, it was...
When the UFC blew up, it was UFC 2, correct?
Yeah. Nobody watched UFC 1. They didn't know if it was real.
There was no B-roll.
Right. Everyone watched UFC 2. And did they get blown away and get hooked by it because of the striking or because of the jiu-jitsu?
joe rogan
Well, it was because it was hoist.
eddie bravo
It was the jiu-jitsu.
Because people didn't realize that you could fight on the ground.
I thought fighting on the ground was for pussies.
brendan schaub
But then it went mainstream for a tough one with stand-up with Stefan and Forrest.
joe rogan
But listen, let's imagine that Ankolaev and Pereira fight an only kickboxing fight.
Are you telling me that's going to be boring?
That would be fucking insane.
Kickboxing with little gloves.
With MMA gloves.
eddie bravo
If they're going to do it, I'd go bare knuckle if it was up to me.
unidentified
The thing about bare knuckle, though, is your face gets obliterated.
joe rogan
The slices and cuts.
eddie bravo
People want to see the blood.
joe rogan
The hands break.
eddie bravo
People want to see that shit.
brendan schaub
I commentate for Game Bread, where it's bare knuckle MMA, and seeing JDS and Alan Belcher and Roy, they don't punch the same.
They're a little cautious because they don't want to break their hand.
It's more realistic.
joe rogan
It's more realistic.
brendan schaub
It is.
It's just a different product.
joe rogan
What happened?
unidentified
It starts in an hour.
joe rogan
Well, wait a minute.
It's not Hylton.
Oh, this is the bare knuckle one?
brendan schaub
That's the dirty boxing show.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
brendan schaub
That's our boy, Mike Parrish.
joe rogan
Is this bare knuckle, dirty boxing?
brendan schaub
It's bare knuckle.
And this Hilton is tall with a giant jaw.
joe rogan
This starts in an hour?
Yeah, our Lofsky fights.
Fucking throw that bitch on.
brendan schaub
Pick him up.
joe rogan
Let's go.
Let's go.
brendan schaub
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
Arlovsky, man.
eddie bravo
Is that dumb and dumber?
joe rogan
Who takes a licking and keeps on ticking better than Andre Arlovsky?
brendan schaub
Tell me about it.
joe rogan
That dude's still around.
He was the UFC champion in 2005, son.
brendan schaub
Wow, dude.
joe rogan
2005. That's 20 fucking years ago of hardcore combat sports in MMA.
That is nuts.
brendan schaub
Dude, remember how hard it was for the UFC even to cut him?
Because they kept giving him these young lines and he kept beating them.
joe rogan
Yeah, he beats a lot of guys, man.
brendan schaub
They kept, we're like, dude, just get out of here.
He's like, nah, man.
joe rogan
He's such a veteran.
He's such a veteran.
brendan schaub
He's so savvy.
He sees everything coming.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
He's been there, done that forever.
Jan Bohovic.
So you were saying that Bohovic got both of his shoulders reconstructed?
brendan schaub
Both of them.
Been out two years.
One shoulder's bad enough.
But what's impressive about him is he was fighting with bad shoulders when he beat all these boys.
joe rogan
Really? Yeah.
I mean, how bad were they?
Shoulders are tough.
brendan schaub
Shoulders are tough.
joe rogan
Yeah. Like the worst injury.
It's a bad injury because it's such a complicated joint.
eddie bravo
Full-blown surgery.
joe rogan
How's it now?
eddie bravo
It's good now.
joe rogan
Step cells?
How's your back, your lower back?
eddie bravo
My lower back's good, man.
I got into that Joe hip and steel stretching.
Remember I told you about that?
That's huge.
I do that every day.
joe rogan
That changed everything for you?
eddie bravo
It makes it so that I don't need surgery because I'm supposed to go back for more back surgery.
Really? I was supposed to do that two years ago.
joe rogan
For another disc?
eddie bravo
Yeah, another one.
Delaying that as long as possible and, you know, doing these stretches, man, it takes about an hour and a half to do these stretches every day, but it makes it manageable where I could, you know, tie my shoelaces without pain, you know?
unidentified
Yeah. Lower backs are a motherfucker, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah, so whatever you can do to avoid surgery, man.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
brendan schaub
There's enough shit out there.
joe rogan
Look at the yawn.
First shoulder operated on.
Unfortunately, there's too much work to do with one so they can fix both at once and another surgery soon.
So what year?
When is this, Jamie?
brendan schaub
Two years ago.
joe rogan
It's two years ago.
brendan schaub
Wow. I haven't fought in two years.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
And, you know, no peptides, no nothing, because everybody is in this, you know, goofy world where you're not allowed to take stuff like BPC-157.
brendan schaub
So stupid.
eddie bravo
That's illegal?
brendan schaub
Yeah. Especially after surgery.
joe rogan
Last three months, two months, I started losing my power, my strength.
40% goes.
I tried to do something with physiotherapy and doctors to try to fix it, but every training was worse.
brendan schaub
Yeah. Now, remember, too, he's also 42 years old.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
Yeah. Yeah, that's old.
You know, it's less old for the bigger guys, but it's still old.
gordon ryan
42 is for, I mean, I'm 42. Two shoulders at 42 are hard things to come back from.
joe rogan
And Carlos Olberg's a motherfucker.
He's so fast and tall.
He's so long.
brendan schaub
It's such good matchmaking, Carlos Olberg.
Even though they think, you know, prospect, I think he's 34, 35. But he hasn't really beat anybody of note.
joe rogan
And then there's also...
brendan schaub
But he hasn't really beat any of the top guys to get to this, so him versus Jan's fun.
joe rogan
And there's also his first fight.
Like, his first fight with Kennedy.
Kennedy and Zichikou.
Yeah. Who beat him down.
Like, he was beating Kennedy up, and then he gassed out, and Kennedy fucked him up.
Yeah. Like, that's a big fight, because he kind of folded down the stretch.
Over-amped in the beginning of the fight.
Burned off too much fuel.
brendan schaub
Just experience.
Experience. It's like Sean Brady in the main event.
When they gave him Bilal, he just wasn't ready.
And then loses that and then goes on a tear.
And now he's ready.
Now he's ready.
Sometimes it takes that.
joe rogan
He had mental coaching and shit too, which I think is important.
eddie bravo
How are your shoulders?
unidentified
Good. And yours?
brendan schaub
Good shoulders?
Good shoulders.
I tore my bicep like a month ago, probably.
But I'm on all sorts of shit.
It looks weird.
You can see it.
joe rogan
Did you get it fixed or no?
brendan schaub
Nah, man.
joe rogan
You don't have to get it fixed?
Is it small tear?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's small tear.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
brendan schaub
I've just been injecting fucking peptide.
Name something.
unidentified
Just fucking.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Dude, fucking.
joe rogan
Bro, BPC-157 with the TB-500 is amazing.
brendan schaub
The best.
Amazing. I started taking blue scorpion venom shit.
What? Yeah, some scorpion venom.
What are you doing?
Name something.
Anything someone offers me, I'm like, I'll try it out.
eddie bravo
The brand name is Venom or actual Venom?
brendan schaub
It's Blue Venom.
They take Venom and then from peptides with it.
What? From a fucking scorpion.
joe rogan
What? What does that do for you?
brendan schaub
Apparently it helps with healing.
joe rogan
They say bee stings cures arthritis.
Sure. When people get bee stings, they have serious arthritis.
They get stung all over their fucking hands and it helps them.
Blue Scorpion Venom.
paul stobbs
What the hell, dude?
brendan schaub
Yeah, they milk scorpions, Doug.
gordon ryan
It reminds me of a shark cartilage.
brendan schaub
Dude, I couldn't lift three weeks ago.
I fucking...
Who knows?
joe rogan
The scorpion did it for you?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
That's the thing.
I take so much shit, I don't know.
joe rogan
Something's working.
Something's working, dude.
brendan schaub
I got back on the bench last week and was, no problems.
joe rogan
What is the scorpion stuff supposed to do?
brendan schaub
It helps with healing.
There's all sorts of fucking history on it.
joe rogan
Really? Yeah, dude.
Do you inject it or are you taking it?
brendan schaub
No, it's a serum.
joe rogan
Oh, because you put it on the muscle?
You put it under your tongue?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you put it under your tongue.
Every morning, every night.
And I'm like, how much does it take?
joe rogan
I'll take double.
Is there a side effect to it?
unidentified
Yeah, being awesome, feeling healthy.
joe rogan
Does it make you feel great?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, I feel great.
joe rogan
Wow, but you're doing a lot of stuff.
brendan schaub
That's the thing, I don't know.
I don't know.
And then I stumbled upon, was it methanol blue?
Yeah. Do you take methanol blue?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brendan schaub
Is that legit?
joe rogan
I keep seeing stuff about it.
That's not how you say it.
What is the actual name?
Methylene? Methylene.
brendan schaub
Methylene. Methylene.
It's on me all the time.
Do you want some, Gordon?
unidentified
What is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I take it.
brendan schaub
It's like a, what did we say, a nootropic?
joe rogan
Like energy?
Well, it's basically an MAO inhibitor.
And it also has something that does something for your mitochondria.
I'm not the guy to describe it, but Gary Brecca told me to take it, and quite a few other people told me to take it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I just stumbled, because I take creatine for neurological reasons and for muscle recovery.
Yeah. And then I'm taking so many nootropics, I feel like I leveled out, and then someone recommended this, this methyl blue.
Methylene. Methylene blue.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that took you to another level?
brendan schaub
Bro. Let's go.
Three or four times a day.
joe rogan
Let's go.
Three or four times a day?
I think you're not supposed to do it.
One a day.
brendan schaub
Bro. What are we doing here?
unidentified
I have too much shit to get done, Doug.
brendan schaub
Yeah, this one's great from Diesel Subs.
joe rogan
You're like a test rat.
brendan schaub
Yeah. Yeah.
When they go, does it work?
I think so.
joe rogan
Probably. Yeah.
unidentified
Something's working.
brendan schaub
One of them's going to work.
joe rogan
The full combo's working.
brendan schaub
One of them's going to work.
joe rogan
Now, with the UFC being involved in grappling, they're not thinking about drug testing anybody, are they?
gordon ryan
I don't think so.
As far as I know, no.
Because none of the organizations test.
Right. So it's like, unless you're going to sign, which is starting to happen now because there's a little bit more money.
eddie bravo
IBJJF. Tests?
gordon ryan
Yeah, but that's it.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
gordon ryan
Yeah, that's it.
You know, they're starting to sign people exclusive now because there's a little bit more money.
Yeah. But unless you're going to test across, unless every organization is going to test, and it doesn't make sense.
Because then you have guys who are tested in the UFC who are fighting on flow or at one or other events who are fighting guys who are juiced anyway.
Right. So the whole reason to have testing is to have guys who are...
Not on steroids.
Compete against one another.
joe rogan
Right, but if they came up with an organization that came up with the most money and said,"But here's the rules.
gordon ryan
We're gonna go USADA." Yeah, that would work, but the problem is that you need a business model where you can make that amount of money back.
Right. Just to pay for testing.
Most of the guys that are competing on the undercard, or not even the main event guys, you'd actually be losing money testing them regularly.
brendan schaub
Dolls down the sport.
But also, when the UFC signs, say, Mikey Mushameshi, is it exclusive?
Can he not compete anywhere else?
gordon ryan
So usually when they do exclusive, I don't know what his contract is, obviously, but usually it's exclusive, but they have cutouts for things like ADCC or big world championships.
Otherwise, it's hard to sign the guys completely exclusive.
brendan schaub
That's what I was going to say.
You'd have to pay him a salary.
gordon ryan
Like, for example, if UFC signed Mikey exclusive...
And then he wanted to do ADCC, but it's on Flow.
Like, a lot of times the guys have cutouts for that, like big World Championship tournaments.
brendan schaub
That's cool.
gordon ryan
Because it helps everybody.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's cool.
Just builds a brand.
You want to be stuck there if you're not getting enough competition.
gordon ryan
But, like, a guy exclusives to Flow or to UFC wouldn't be able to compete for, like, Flow Grappling or One normally.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah. So is One still doing a lot of grappling?
I know they've got the Rotolos and Mikey's gone.
eddie bravo
I think Cade's doing MMA now.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's 2-0.
He looks like a demon out there.
He looks like a savage.
joe rogan
Grappling is so much better than everybody else's.
brendan schaub
He's fucking people up striking.
joe rogan
Right, right.
It's like having a guy like that that's that elite with grappling and also young enough to learn striking and just wild.
Wild, aggressive dudes.
brendan schaub
Great work ethic.
They gave him a tough matchup to a second fight in one championship.
Like a tough fucking wrestler.
He fucking annihilated this dude.
eddie bravo
Is Gary Tonin still in one?
gordon ryan
Yeah. His contract ended.
He was doing some negotiations, but as far as I know, I think he's going back to one, but I'm not 100% sure.
brendan schaub
Jamie, can you bring up one championship has a big Muay Thai fight, like huge Muay Thai fight, like one of the biggest ever.
I sent my boy to it.
joe rogan
For everybody watching at home, first fight is right about to start, and we are...
Mark Goddard is waiting to kick it off.
He's moving to the center of the octagon now.
And it goes.
And the time is 4.57, 4.56, 4.55, 4.54, 4.53.
We're off.
How do you say that dude's name?
Shareri? Shareri?
brendan schaub
Shareri? Shareri.
joe rogan
This is in London?
brendan schaub
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
Let's go.
eddie bravo
Tell me a little bit about these guys.
I don't know much.
joe rogan
I didn't study this.
gordon ryan
He's 12-3.
brendan schaub
Brendan? I wish...
eddie bravo
You don't know?
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
No, I know some guys.
No, I got some things.
eddie bravo
Who has he fought?
gordon ryan
Eight first-round finishes.
brendan schaub
That's really good.
eddie bravo
Man, Brendan got stomped.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he gets crispy after this.
But what I was going to say is I wish we were seeing Jon Jones Aspinall in London.
joe rogan
Yeah. That's what they should be seeing.
But I think John's going to hold out as long as he can to make the most money.
brendan schaub
Which you can't be mad at, but also, you know Tom Aspinall?
I think soon he'll be the interim champ for the longest ever over 500 days?
That's not good.
joe rogan
No, that's kind of crazy.
500 days is kind of crazy.
brendan schaub
500 days is wild.
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
And John said he wants six months to train.
brendan schaub
That's just negotiation tactics.
Like, dude, he's been on your radar for three years.
And you took two years to get ready for heavyweight.
What are we doing?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean...
John is so meticulous in his preparation.
Like, you've worked with John.
You trained with him when he was getting ready for Stipe.
gordon ryan
Yeah, we did the first camp.
I was with him for, like, a couple weeks, and then Stipe got hurt.
And then the second camp...
joe rogan
Oh, here we go.
Someone got hurt.
gordon ryan
He dropped him.
I didn't see with what, but he definitely dropped him.
So... But, yeah, the second camp, I was with him for, like, a full, like, six or seven weeks.
brendan schaub
So... And do you think Tom Aspinall is like, John's going to get him down.
If you got him down, John, as far as being Aspinall's guard, do you think it'd be an issue for John at all?
gordon ryan
No. I think Tom would probably be trying to stand up.
And Tom also has pretty good fast takedowns, so they could both take one another down.
But I don't think that Tom is going to be able to really do anything besides try to get up on John.
joe rogan
Yeah. Trying to get that mounted guillotine.
brendan schaub
He's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was a kid, you know?
It's rare you have a big guy with good hips.
eddie bravo
Good dogfight, boom.
joe rogan
He's so fast, too.
Aspinall, as a heavyweight, there's no one like him.
brendan schaub
The only knock on we really haven't seen would just be his defense.
You know, his head exposed, his chin leads forward.
gordon ryan
The one MMA fight I did see him lose, he got heel locked.
And it was a pretty shitty heel lock that he tapped, too.
Aspinall? Yeah.
joe rogan
When was that?
I thought it was undefeated.
gordon ryan
That was a long time ago.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's undefeated in the UFC?
joe rogan
He got a heel hook before the UFC?
Yeah. Interesting.
brendan schaub
He's undefeated, though.
gordon ryan
I mean, it was a long time ago.
He's obviously gotten much better, but it was a pretty shitty heel hook.
joe rogan
No kidding.
Was it an amateur fight or was it a pro fight?
gordon ryan
It's a pro fight, I believe.
brendan schaub
Here's something to think about.
Think of whatever reason John decides he doesn't want to fight Aspinall.
What the fuck do you do with Aspinall?
joe rogan
Right. There's no one compelling.
brendan schaub
The heavyweight division's never been worse.
joe rogan
It's never been worse.
brendan schaub
It's awful.
Like, there's Cyril gone.
eddie bravo
A triangle right here.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
eddie bravo
Pull that head down.
He sticks to the head, just concentrates on the head.
He might be able to get it.
gordon ryan
If he were to ask me a few weeks ago, I would say have Alex move up, but Alex just lost.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that was the bummer.
joe rogan
I heard that Alex fought with a broken...
Here it is.
Here's the heel hook.
gordon ryan
It's actually a heel knee bar.
joe rogan
So here it is.
Who's this guy?
gordon ryan
So you see, he just scoops the leg from half guard.
brendan schaub
Tom was whooping his ass.
gordon ryan
And Tom turns away instead of trying to face him.
So he exposes the heel, and it turns into a heel knee bar.
brendan schaub
Oh, weird.
gordon ryan
That's a heel hook, but it's a knee bar, but with the heel hook gripping, so he can't turn back into the lock.
brendan schaub
That dude's in some pub right now going, I beat that guy.
eddie bravo
I beat the fucking champ.
joe rogan
I beat the fucking champ.
This guy keeps trying.
gordon ryan
He's got to create an angle.
joe rogan
Well, he's got both arms.
gordon ryan
Now shoulders in.
unidentified
Yeah. He's got to go with the dead orchard, right, Eddie?
eddie bravo
Doesn't work.
joe rogan
Does it ever work in MMA?
Has anybody pulled it off in MMA?
eddie bravo
Yeah, Elvis Sinisek.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
eddie bravo
He was the first one.
He was the first one.
Elvis! That's when no one really thought it was, like, no one really even noticed it.
Because you're taught, you only triangle your legs when there's one arm in, one arm out.
Not when there's two arms in.
Right. But his legs are so long, he armbarred Jeremy Horn, and then when you look at it, you're like, yo!
He's triangling his legs and he has both arms in.
Whoa, that's kind of a freak thing.
And we just thought it was a freak thing.
And then Nathan Orchard and Brian Debs, two of my guys, they just started doing it all the time.
They go, do we do this all the time?
Really? You're doing triangle?
You've got to have long legs.
You've got to have long legs.
If you have short legs, you've got to do a Mexican dead orchard.
That's what I do.
You've got to do a lot of extra labor.
There's a lot of extra stuff you've got to do to pull it off.
joe rogan
What's the Mexican dead orchard?
How does it work?
eddie bravo
You've got to do a lot of stuff.
You've got to go invisible collar to muddy waters and then Mexican dead.
There's a lot of stuff.
Because if you have long hair, if you're a heavy metal dude, if you have long legs and you're on the bottom, Depending on how you match up with the guy, he can get dead orchard.
You can triangle your legs with his arms in a perfect defensive position.
And a lot of times people get surprised.
They're like, what the fuck happened?
How did he triangle his legs?
They don't understand.
But if you have short legs and the guy's like this, or just regular legs, there's no way you're going to be able to triangle your legs with both arms in.
You need one arm in, one arm out.
So with both arms in, the only way a Mexican or a Chinese guy could do a dead orchard is you've got to have this arm down.
And this arm like this.
Like this, now I can triangle my legs.
You gotta do a lot of work.
You gotta get the hand on the mat, and then you gotta get his elbow in.
There's a lot of stuff that's super complicated.
Dead orchards are not the greatest thing for...
And you gotta be super flexible.
Super flexible, and you gotta put a lot of time into it.
But, if you have long legs...
You should be doing Dead Orchards.
It's by far the number one armbar in the guard, no gi, and there's not even a close second.
Really? One of my black belts has 84 Dead Orchards, and his student, who's a purple one, has 34 Dead Orchards in competition.
joe rogan
Who has that many Orchards?
eddie bravo
Chris Vickers from 10th Planet Walnut Creek.
brendan schaub
Orchard King.
eddie bravo
They happen all the goddamn time.
Ben Eddy got Wilson Hayes in a combat jiu-jitsu match.
I'm in a dead orchard.
And Wilson Hayes is a high-level black belt.
He just fought Mighty Mouse for the title a month before.
That's high-level shit.
But for girls, girls proportionally have longer legs than guys and more narrow shoulders.
So if you're a girl out there and you're fighting MMA and you don't have a dead orchard in your game, you're missing out.
Girls can do Dead Orchards at a higher level or a higher rate than guys, for sure.
Just because of the body type.
joe rogan
Who do you think has the best guard in MMA?
Is it Olivera or Paul Craig?
Paul Craig's got a fucking pretty nasty guard.
brendan schaub
Paul Craig's so dangerous, Bo Nickel didn't even take him down.
joe rogan
Yeah. Right?
eddie bravo
There's so few fighters with dangerous guards in MMA.
There's so few.
joe rogan
Fabricio was one.
Fabricio Verdum is the overlooked GOAT heavyweight.
eddie bravo
I would say Paul Craig.
joe rogan
Yeah. On Goliath and Jamal Hill.
He's got two world champions.
Armbarred both of them.
Triangled him, armbarred him.
Very impressive.
Broke Jamal's arm, remember?
Jamal's arm was flopping all over the place, and he's beating on him.
brendan schaub
As far as jiu-jitsu, you got Gunnar Nelson on the card tonight, and then Sean Brady's no punk either.
joe rogan
Sean Brady's a black belt.
He's wicked.
brendan schaub
Philadelphia gorilla.
joe rogan
And I'm sure Gordon would like to point out that he beat Craig Jones in competition.
gordon ryan
He did beat Craig Jones.
In a grappling match.
joe rogan
That was one of them deals where you couldn't do heel hooks, though, right?
gordon ryan
I believe leg locks were illegal.
joe rogan
That's a little sus.
gordon ryan
But, I mean, still.
He's an MMA guy who fights at 170.
joe rogan
Well, he's a fucking beast.
gordon ryan
No, yeah.
joe rogan
No doubt.
He's got like a turtle shell for a back.
gordon ryan
No, he's a great grappler, which is why I'm excited to watch this.
joe rogan
Yeah, his back is like triple thick.
brendan schaub
You're talking about Sean Brady?
joe rogan
Yeah. His back is like extra muscles.
What do these do?
brendan schaub
And Leon Edwards in the weigh-ins, he was like, I don't realize how small he is.
I'm definitely going to have a strength advantage.
You're like, oh.
joe rogan
You answer that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, you're like, oh, buddy.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
brendan schaub
You've got to educate yourself.
joe rogan
Well, Leon was saying at the weigh-ins, he's too small.
I'm going to take him out.
He might be shorter than you.
brendan schaub
Get his hands on you, man.
joe rogan
He's a fucking chimp.
Yeah. He gets ahold of you.
You got real problems.
Remember what he did to Kelvin?
brendan schaub
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
He's manhandled Kelvin.
brendan schaub
And Gilbert Burns?
joe rogan
Kelvin's a hell of a wrestler.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Hell of a wrestler.
brendan schaub
No, anyone who fights Sean Brady is like, he's the strongest guy we've ever gone against.
All of them say it.
joe rogan
Yeah. Joe Pfeiffer says it.
Yeah. And Joe Pfeiffer's fucking huge.
Huge. That's a guy we're like, how the fuck do you make 85?
Wow. How do you make 85?
eddie bravo
Gordon, in your opinion, what's the best leg lock for MMA?
Best leg lock position.
You're training someone.
He wants to learn leg locks.
What do you think?
gordon ryan
Well, for you guys, it'd be called the honey hole.
But for us, Krasashigurami.
eddie bravo
Or Inside Sengaku?
gordon ryan
Yeah, Inside Sengaku, yeah.
eddie bravo
That's the best one, you think?
gordon ryan
One of them.
eddie bravo
And then, what do you think about putting it on the outside and going Z-lock?
gordon ryan
That's great, too.
eddie bravo
It seems like anything on the outside, it turns the guy and he really can't hit you.
Because really, it's about being safe from striking.
And 50-50, I think everyone agrees.
You see 50-50 in MMA and it works, but you can still reach the guy's face, but you can't really hit him that hard.
gordon ryan
50-50, you can get hit.
Outside Ashigarami, or you guys call it double outside, can get hit.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's the worst one.
gordon ryan
But any, like, inside Senkaku, or if you pass leg across to, we call it inside Ashigarami, where you have the, that's how I finished Dickey Rod, where you have the legs triangled inside, but the legs pass to the outside, so you have an outside heel hook.
That's great, but because everyone's braking mechanics are, Not up to par on outside heel looks.
It's harder to get catastrophic breaks on outside heel looks.
So, for MMA, if you have good braking mechanics, like Paul Horace finished a lot of outside heel looks, but his braking mechanics were pretty good.
The legs inside with the foot outside is best.
Otherwise, just keep the foot on the other side and go for the inverted.
eddie bravo
So, if this leg was reaping...
This foot would be on the outside, right?
Like this?
gordon ryan
Yeah, so you'd have an outside heel.
eddie bravo
We call that the Indian.
Yeah, exactly.
gordon ryan
That's Gary heel-hooking.
eddie bravo
On the inside.
gordon ryan
Yeah. So, yeah.
It's hard for the guy.
The guy can't hit you from here.
He can't really...
Throw any punches to your face?
eddie bravo
Basically, any time you reap, which is that left leg going on the inside, makes it hard for the guy to hit.
So most people think,"Oh, all leg locks don't work in MMA.
You're gonna get smashed." That's not true.
Some leg locks will save your ass.
That was a fight in the UFC.
Some Brazilian guy, I forget, it was in the Ultimate Fighter.
On his back, getting walloped.
And the guy was like, had a horse stance on top of him against the cage and was throwing down.
And that Brazilian just jumped on a knee bar.
A knee bar attempt.
And that saved him.
Because now he can't, now he's punching his ass.
And then from the knee bar he got knocked down on his back on his butt And then I turned around jumped on his back and choked him out Yeah, I don't think you're seeing a lot of heel hooks because a lot of guys just aren't very efficient in it They're not focusing on
Ryan Hall was one of the first to come in and really do some damage with leg locks.
He got BJ Penn pretty quick.
gordon ryan
The number one determining factor with leg locking is, insofar as getting hit, is
In order for the person to actually hit you, they have to come up on top of you and put weight onto you.
So the number one determining factor is, can I keep this guy's head?
If you're attacking and you're trying to punch the guy, if you can get your head over his head...
You can hit with power.
So any leg-locking position, which doesn't allow your opponent to get head-over-head, is what's gonna keep you safe.
eddie bravo
So basically, double outside Ashi.
What do you guys call it?
Double outside Ashi?
gordon ryan
Just outside Ashi.
eddie bravo
That's the worst one.
gordon ryan
Because the guy can come forward into you and get head-over-head and hit you.
eddie bravo
You either get that heel-hook quick...
Or you're gonna take some damage.
gordon ryan
But anything where you're reaping, which doesn't allow him to come forward into you, because he'll break his own leg if he stacks you, and he can't get head over head, is what you should be looking for.
But if the guy can get head over head, then he can hit you easy.
eddie bravo
Yeah. You going over leg locks with Jon Jones, is he pretty good at him now?
gordon ryan
Yeah, he kind of just bounces around from thing to thing.
Like, he'll be like, oh, I want to go over some leg locks.
And, like, you'll teach him to move, and he'll be like, so Darce's.
I got a question on Darce.
And it's just like, it's like just ADHD, just bounce.
But that's how he learns.
Like, he just bounces from move to move.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
The first time...
I met him.
It was his first fight when he fought Stefan Bonner.
It was in Boston, and we were at a boxing gym.
And I was just hanging out with you because you were taking a private with...
Who was the guy from Amsterdam that you were taking privates?
It was either Shuki or Rob Kamen.
It was one of them.
We were in some random boxing gym in Boston.
And I was just sitting on the ring.
joe rogan
It must have been Rob if we were in Boston.
eddie bravo
Waiting for you to be done.
And then no one knew who Jon Jones was.
It was his first fight.
And he comes up to me and he asks for advice.
He goes,"What do you think, you know, you got any advice from me?" And I'm like,"I didn't know." And he was fighting Stefan Bonner and I thought,"Oh, they're feeding Stefan Bonner some new guy." Like, I felt bad with Jon Jones.
So what I told him is, is there's two kinds of wrestlers that...
Coming to MMA.
Wrestlers that love Jiu Jitsu and wrestlers that want to beat Jiu Jitsu.
I go, don't be one of those wrestlers that wants to beat Jiu Jitsu.
Fall in love with it.
Fall in love with submissions.
Because the guys that want to beat it, they never last.
They're eventually going to get taken out.
joe rogan
Also, wrestlers have such an advantage of being able to manipulate bodies.
eddie bravo
The scariest Jiu Jitsu guys, for the most part, are guys that wrestle their whole life.
And then they fall in love with Jiu Jitsu.
And they love pulling.
brendan schaub
Think about the guys Jon Jones submitted.
He's a fucking savage.
eddie bravo
How did that Stefan Bonner fight?
He beat the shit out of him.
joe rogan
He beat the shit out of him.
Remember when we talked to him into going to a big camp?
Do you remember that conversation?
unidentified
When we were at the roof of the hotel.
joe rogan
We were hanging out and he was saying, what do you think I should do?
I said, you're too good.
You need to be at a big camp.
You need to be around killers.
You're so good, you're going to get by a long way on your own.
I go, but you need high-level coaching.
You're a world champion.
brendan schaub
Did you recommend Jackson's to him?
joe rogan
I did not.
He found Jackson's.
Well, Jackson's was huge at the time.
It's such a great gym.
I mean, you can't go wrong with those guys.
And Greg is just such a great mind for strategy.
brendan schaub
And a good guy.
Not a slimy guy.
joe rogan
And a big program.
Legit kickboxer in his day.
Winklejohn's a legit kickboxer.
He fought Johnny Viterio.
He was legit, man.
Winklejohn's a legit striker.
And then you got all those other people over there, too.
It's like such a killer lineup.
brendan schaub
I was there during John's heyday, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were.
Savage. Yeah.
I think his heyday's still going on, man.
Especially at heavyweight.
brendan schaub
We just don't know.
He's not active enough.
joe rogan
Yeah. It's really this one fight, man.
There's one fight.
brendan schaub
And then after that...
joe rogan
After that, they've got to fucking...
They've got to scour...
brendan schaub
Because even if he...
Here's the thing.
Even if John mollywops Tom, which I think John would be an underdog in the fight, but let's say John beats Tom...
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
brendan schaub
...and then retires.
It's like, all right, Tom Asimov's still going to dominate.
Right. Who's going to beat him?
joe rogan
You get Francis to come back.
The Saudis.
Come along.
Come on, come on, come on.
The Saudis come along with that.
brendan schaub
Francis is going to fight Wilder.
joe rogan
With that big bag.
gordon ryan
Yeah. Let's go!
brendan schaub
That's got to do it.
gordon ryan
Good John Jones story.
That nobody knows.
Because I was cornering him for that fight, his last fight against Stipe.
And we found out that Trump was going to be there.
And for probably a solid 15 to 20 minutes, we only, while he was warming up, like 15 to 20 minutes, he's getting ready to go out to fight for the belt.
Probably 20 minutes of that warm-up.
Was him just practicing the mechanics on how to do the Trump dance right?
We like looked it up, we like YouTubed it, and he was like practicing the Trump dance in the locker room getting ready to dance.
joe rogan
How confident are you of victory when you're already practicing your victory dance?
brendan schaub
Pretty confident.
gordon ryan
And the best is we were all for it.
We're like, no, like the hand's got to be a little bit high or a little bit lower.
unidentified
So we were like coaching him through it as he was doing it.
joe rogan
Oh, I was laughing so hard.
eddie bravo
How did that fight end?
I forget.
joe rogan
Spinny back kick to the body.
eddie bravo
I never told you this, but I was actually there.
Oh, you were there?
I flew in with the guys with CPI.
joe rogan
Why didn't you tell me we were there?
eddie bravo
Because you're so busy, you know what I mean?
And then I was with a group.
A big group, and what am I going to do?
I'm like, you know what?
You had so much shit going on.
So Ed Clay from CPI calls me up.
He goes, hey, you want me to pick you up in my private jet and go to see Tyson fight in Dallas?
And then we fly and go see Jon Jones fight.
joe rogan
No, that sounds terrible.
No, I hate fun.
eddie bravo
I need better friends.
I actually said no.
joe rogan
Did you really?
eddie bravo
My kid had baseball.
Baseball all weekend.
brendan schaub
Baseball, fuck you.
eddie bravo
So I said, damn.
Because he asked me.
We were going to leave on Thursday or Friday morning or Thursday.
And it was like Tuesday.
And I'm like, yo, what?
No one's ever asked.
I've never had that offer ever.
Let me go pick you up in the private.
Pick me up in Van Nuys Airport.
And then we go to Dallas.
And then we go to New York.
And I said, dude, I can't.
I can't.
And then I told my wife, and my wife goes, are you fucking retarded?
unidentified
That's a good wife.
eddie bravo
You call his ass back, you fucking going.
And I go, okay.
The kids, I call back, I say, my wife's making me go.
joe rogan
They play a lot of games.
brendan schaub
Yeah, especially his son, Travel Ball.
It's so many games.
eddie bravo
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, to be honest with you, dude, I've been to a million UFCs.
Like, I'd rather watch it at home or with my buddies.
Because we have UFC parties at the gym.
And, you know...
That's funner to me than to see it live to tell you the truth.
joe rogan
This is my favorite way.
eddie bravo
But when we were there, dude, I was just watching the whole Trump thing go on.
You see RFK, Tulsi Gabbard.
Was Elon there too?
joe rogan
I believe he was.
eddie bravo
And I was just sitting there going, fuck, you're there.
I'm like, dude, this is a good time for the deep state to fucking send a missile to Madison Square Garden.
gordon ryan
It would solve all their problems.
Dude, there was like...
It was like 47 checkpoints.
eddie bravo
And then I see Trump come up.
I saw the whole fucking thing.
Trump walking straight to you and gave you a big fucking hug and he's whispering sweet nothings in your ear.
I'm like, holy.
They're like, there's shit right here?
unidentified
I was like, what the fuck?
eddie bravo
He goes right to you, man.
Look at that.
He didn't want to talk to John Attic.
He was right to you.
gordon ryan
He knew you were ready for the fucking handshake pull.
unidentified
He just came to give me a hug that time.
eddie bravo
Dude, look at that.
And what did he say?
brendan schaub
He gave DC the left hand.
joe rogan
No, you don't have to say.
He basically said, I won him the election.
eddie bravo
Damn. How crazy is this?
joe rogan
Right? Very interesting times.
unidentified
And then John Jones wins and then does the dance?
joe rogan
That was crazy.
eddie bravo
Dude, that day.
We're so bad.
That day was insane.
unidentified
We're so bad.
eddie bravo
That day was insane.
joe rogan
It was a great day.
eddie bravo
For the world.
That's like world history shit.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yeah, it was.
eddie bravo
They could put that whole event in some book.
gordon ryan
Well, all the athletes started doing the Trump dance after that.
joe rogan
A lot of football players were already doing it.
unidentified
A lot of football players.
Look at John!
joe rogan
That's amazing.
eddie bravo
That's the coolest shit ever.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
John Jones.
Savage. The goat.
brendan schaub
The goat.
joe rogan
Yeah. The goat now.
eddie bravo
No doubt.
No doubt.
brendan schaub
It's silly when people argue that.
joe rogan
If he beats Aspinall, everybody has to shut the fuck up forever.
brendan schaub
They need to shut the fuck up even if you're going to lose to Aspinall.
His resume to light heavyweight, you've got to realize he went through that whole fucking span of fighting the best of the best that light heavyweight's ever had to offer.
Look at the fucked up all of them.
joe rogan
Look at the line.
It's like Tom Aspinall's a slight favorite.
brendan schaub
That's kind of crazy.
Yeah, he should be.
joe rogan
Look at Marab over Sean.
Yeah. Ooh, 350 to win.
gordon ryan
Dude, Tom hasn't been out of the first round.
joe rogan
Are they doing, is this real?
Are they doing Marab and Sean again?
jamie vernon
These are just a website taking action.
joe rogan
Yeah, they are taking bets already.
They are, huh?
When is that happening?
brendan schaub
I don't know, but that's got to be July, right?
Yeah, probably.
That Islam Topiri.
joe rogan
I don't think that's happening.
brendan schaub
No, Islam's going up to 70. Is he?
joe rogan
Yeah. Interesting.
eddie bravo
Shane! He's got to do a drunk Trump.
Trump has never been drunk ever in his life.
Can you imagine if Trump was drunk on Twitter?
Can you imagine the drunk tweets he would send?
brendan schaub
Trump doesn't drink at all, right?
eddie bravo
Fiona Davies.
She's amazing.
Top female grappler.
joe rogan
I just don't recognize we're all dolled up.
She's amazing, dude.
I saw her Mackenzie Dern bout.
unidentified
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
Dude, the first time I saw her, she was an EBI.
She was a purple belt, and she went against...
Her first round match was against Talita Alan Carr, who was a black belt world champion.
I gave Talita, like, oh, you're going to get a purple belt, you get the low seat.
So it was like an easy...
And I'm sitting there, and I'm reffing, and I'm like, oh, Talita's going to kill this little Irish girl.
And dude, Fiona was all over her.
Took her back and almost finished her.
And I'm like, oh my god.
And the only reason I put her in there was because Keith Prekorian, he sent me a message.
He goes, yo, there's this chick Fiona Davies.
You gotta throw her in.
And I go, okay, whatever.
I'll take that advice.
But Talita ended up winning.
She ended up getting her back at the end and winning.
But it was scary for a second.
joe rogan
Wow, as a purple belt.
eddie bravo
As a purple belt.
She almost beat a world champion.
joe rogan
This dude looks like he's had a hard life.
brendan schaub
He's tatted up like a machine gun camera.
joe rogan
I don't know these guys.
unidentified
I don't know these guys.
joe rogan
So, we'll see what happens with that one.
There's a lot of good fights coming up.
I'm wondering what they're going to do with Toporia, but I like what you were saying.
Toporia versus Oliveira.
brendan schaub
Your first introduction at 55, he's kind of a king of 55 and dangerous.
joe rogan
So dangerous everywhere.
Dangerous, striking, huge reach advantage.
brendan schaub
But if you're Toporia, you're not going to go up to 55 without some sort of guarantee.
Because remember, he's giving up the belt, so he's not getting pay-per-view points.
joe rogan
But it's his idea.
brendan schaub
Well, because the weight cut's too tough.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
Yeah. Really?
brendan schaub
45 is too tough for him.
joe rogan
But he's been doing it and winning.
brendan schaub
He's just sick of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would imagine.
brendan schaub
Apparently that last cut was really tough and his team was like, alright, no more.
joe rogan
Wow. So what is he weighing?
brendan schaub
You're not going to give up the pay-per-view points and just dip out and then just go into the queue at 55. What was he weighing when he was fighting 45?
joe rogan
What was he walking around?
brendan schaub
They were saying like 180 between.
Yeah, big.
That's the thing.
Everyone's like, oh, he's too small, 55. I'm like, he's fucking big out of gear, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but those guys are real big.
Like, Islam's huge.
When I stand next to Islam...
eddie bravo
How about Gleason Tabao?
unidentified
He would cut to 55. That guy walked around at 250.
brendan schaub
That was back in the day, though.
That was back in the day, though.
eddie bravo
I think he has the...
I think that dude has the record for weight cut.
brendan schaub
Anthony Johnson.
gordon ryan
I don't know how Alex ever made 85. Who?
joe rogan
Alex Pereira.
brendan schaub
How about DDP?
He's fucking huge, bro.
joe rogan
Huge. He's so big.
gordon ryan
I haven't seen him in person.
I sat next to Alex when I was like a jack 230 and he like dwarfed me.
And I'm like, how does this guy cut to 85?
He was bigger in every match.
He was bigger.
He was longer.
He was thicker.
joe rogan
They say he fought with a broken hand and norovirus against Ankaleev.
He fought with a broken toe before.
When he beat Yuri Prochaska, he had a fucked up knee.
Remember when he went and he tumbled at the end of the fight?
That's because his knee wouldn't support him.
He was basically fighting on one leg in the first fight.
Then he gets surgery.
I guess it was probably meniscus because he came back pretty quick.
Walk around weight.
231. That's crazy.
And he looks 231.
When you stand next to him, he looks like a heavyweight.
brendan schaub
He'd go up 205.
joe rogan
Oh, easy.
Easy 205.
brendan schaub
He has a strength for it, too.
joe rogan
And bully people.
Yeah. Yeah.
brendan schaub
Get you some.
joe rogan
He's a scary dude.
brendan schaub
He's going to be a problem.
joe rogan
Because he confused everybody.
Everybody's like, oh, this guy's all awkward and shit.
He's going to get pieced up.
brendan schaub
We watched so many fights, I'd see his style.
I'm like, oh, he's going to get exposed eventually.
And then you just see him, you're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
When we saw him early in his career, he did not have a nose.
His nose was...
brendan schaub
His cardio was bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, his mouth was wide open all the time.
And then he got that nose fixed.
Man, I remember when I got mine fixed, I was like, why didn't I do this a long time ago?
He had like 10% more cardio instantly.
brendan schaub
Yeah. When his coach came out, he was only breathing at 6%.
Capacity, and I was like, this is some bullshit.
joe rogan
Out of his nose, maybe.
unidentified
Out of his nose.
joe rogan
I believe that.
brendan schaub
And then he got it fixed, and this motherfucker's unstoppable.
joe rogan
Rockhold just did something online where they did a scan inside of his nose.
It's all gone.
His whole nose is just completely clogged.
Because it's like your ears.
You get cauliflower ear, that shit, the same thing happens inside your nose.
The blood pools up, and it calcifies, and you just get rocks inside your nose.
Your nose is just a big fucking closed, like a tunnel that caved in on miners.
gordon ryan
I had mine fixed when I had my tonsillectomy.
They had the stents up there for like a week.
brendan schaub
I feel like you got a good nose for fighting.
No homo, you got a button nose, like cute button nose.
Doesn't he have a good nose?
So does Eddie.
joe rogan
Has anybody thrown a lot of money at you to try to get you to do MMA?
gordon ryan
Yeah, I was offered seven figures to do bare knuckle MMA.
joe rogan
Oh, bare knuckle.
Was it Masvidal's thing?
gordon ryan
I believe so.
It wasn't Masvidal who reached out, it was somebody else.
brendan schaub
Dean, probably?
gordon ryan
I think it was maybe through Philly Fresh reached out, and it was somewhere around seven figures.
Wow. Yeah, I'd watch that.
But it was like, I was getting ready for ADCC at the time, and I'm just like, no.
eddie bravo
Yeah. You were going to do combat jiu-jitsu, too.
It was going to be him against Fabricio Verdum.
Combat jiu-jitsu.
Whoa! That was happening, dawg.
That was happening.
joe rogan
Take my money.
brendan schaub
Fuck yes.
joe rogan
Take my money.
gordon ryan
I tore my LCL.
eddie bravo
Yeah. And then Fabricio got hurt, too.
So they both dropped out.
But it was going to happen.
We had flyers and everything.
brendan schaub
Fabricio's in GFL, right?
Fabricio's in GFL.
joe rogan
GFL's got everybody.
Chris Weidman's like, I'm retired.
And then GFL called him and was like, I'm unretired.
brendan schaub
I'm back in.
unidentified
Like, back!
brendan schaub
They're fighting.
It's end of May.
The arena by the USC down there.
joe rogan
It's end of May in L.A. What kind of testing they got?
Multiple choice?
brendan schaub
Don't be a hater.
What's this testing you speak of?
joe rogan
But dude, they got old guys.
Don't test them.
unidentified
Don't test them.
joe rogan
Be cool.
What the fuck are we doing?
brendan schaub
The WWE.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Let's go back to the old days.
brendan schaub
But you got Dylan Dennis, Tony Ferguson.
I like you, Dylan.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a good fight.
That's a good fight.
gordon ryan
I saw that poster.
It's got to be fake because there's zero chance that Dylan...
Oh, is that lightweight?
joe rogan
Here it is.
gordon ryan
No chance.
joe rogan
But remember, their weight is different.
gordon ryan
What is it?
brendan schaub
The weight cut's different.
10 pounds.
So they can agree to fight at a weight that they're both comfortable at.
gordon ryan
It's a legendary lightweight matchup.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but lightweight's different for them.
gordon ryan
That could be 65. But there's no way he makes 65. He could barely make 170 when he was in shape for ADCC.
joe rogan
Their weight classes are different.
We pulled it up the other day.
Middleweight is 200 pounds.
So maybe...
gordon ryan
Oh, look.
I posted right there a comment.
Deal of making lightweight.
joe rogan
Well, let's see.
Pull up GFL weight classes, Jamie.
I think they're definitely different.
brendan schaub
They're different.
So if Tony goes, hey, man, I feel good at whatever, 168, 170.
And Dylan agrees, like, yeah, I'll fight you at 170.
gordon ryan
Well, Dylan wasn't even making 170 when he fought in Bellator.
joe rogan
50-50 revenue share.
gordon ryan
He would fight at catchweight.
joe rogan
Athletes can earn a fair share of the revenue generated from events, ensuring their success is directly linked to league success.
eddie bravo
Dang. How do they determine that?
joe rogan
50-50 for the game.
brendan schaub
50-50 once they get in the positive.
But then also, like, let's...
eddie bravo
How do they know who's moving the needle?
They all get it?
They all get it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they all get it.
joe rogan
Jamie, can you just Google GFL's weight classes and see if a website explains it?
I know, but I don't think they have it on their website.
eddie bravo
So if they split the profit, that's different.
If they split the profit, what if they don't make any profit?
brendan schaub
Then nobody gets it.
But then what's dope is, let's say Gordon was going to fight and brought in a sponsor, and then they want to sponsor the entire thing, he gets...
20% of anything you bring.
joe rogan
See, featherweight goes up to 55. Lightweight is 65. Walterweight's 80. So how's Dylan Dance making 65?
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
gordon ryan
There's zero chance.
joe rogan
He's big.
gordon ryan
When he fought in Bellator, he would fight at catchweight.
It was 175.
joe rogan
I like their light heavyweight, 225.
brendan schaub
I wish they had that when I was fighting him.
eddie bravo
Maybe he's in the best shape of his life.
brendan schaub
Maybe. Isn't he fighting KSI in boxing, so shouldn't he be in shape?
gordon ryan
KSI just pulled out.
I'm telling you, there's no way Dylan's going to make it.
joe rogan
How does KSI pull out against Dylan Danis?
Dylan's not a boxer.
KSI's a pretty good boxer.
He's legit.
For those kind of guys, he's a good boxer.
brendan schaub
For that.
Class, yes.
joe rogan
Did he fight Tommy Fury?
Or was he going to?
brendan schaub
He was going to, and then something happened, right?
joe rogan
I think.
But KSI looks legit to me.
Like, out of those guys?
brendan schaub
For the influencer stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's legit.
He's got hands.
But Dylan is not a boxer.
So it's crazy that he would...
You would think he could be not even at his best to take that fight.
gordon ryan
Yeah, I mean, I maybe got hurt.
I'm not sure.
I just saw something that he pulled out.
I don't even...
unidentified
Oh, he got real sick?
joe rogan
Got some new coronavirus?
Yeah, I don't know.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I mean, there's a breeze strip on.
joe rogan
Oh. See what he's saying?
Put it on, we can hear him.
brendan schaub
What is going on?
unidentified
And honestly, I've never been this ill for this long in my life.
And I hate it.
I feel useless.
And it's depressing.
I feel like I've let so many people down.
I haven't been able to post any YouTube videos to help promote the fight because I've just been feeling so bad.
Okay, he's sick.
joe rogan
Sounds legit.
unidentified
Yeah. I've been sleeping with mouth tape.
brendan schaub
You tape your mouth shut?
Yeah. So you just breathe through your nose?
I can't do that.
joe rogan
Game changer.
unidentified
Game changer.
eddie bravo
Is that for snoring?
gordon ryan
In what way?
joe rogan
It's not just for snoring.
It's like you feel better when you wake up.
You feel more rested.
brendan schaub
Really? Yeah, man.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
I love it.
I just started doing it the last two weeks.
eddie bravo
How does it work?
What does it look like?
joe rogan
I just put a black piece.
It's called hostage tape.
I put a black piece of tape over my mouth.
brendan schaub
Is your wife like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
She wears it too.
Yeah. We're both hostage.
brendan schaub
You're both like, goodnight, babe.
joe rogan
Yeah. Give a kiss.
eddie bravo
You just use any tape or is it special tape?
joe rogan
No, it's special tape for mouth taping.
There's a bunch of companies that make mouth tape.
But this company hostage tapes.
brendan schaub
And it doesn't fall off?
joe rogan
No. It has before, but I keep an extra one by the bed.
If it falls off, I just slap it in.
When I get like this, like this much stubble, I kind of have to shave so it sticks better.
You would have a little bit of an issue with your beard.
Probably wouldn't stick that good to your hair.
brendan schaub
That's why Hitler did his mustache that way, so he could fit a gas mask.
That's real.
joe rogan
No. Yeah, yeah.
Shut the fuck up.
brendan schaub
Jamie, look it up.
joe rogan
Is that real?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know my shit.
gordon ryan
Wow. Apparently he was gassed pretty bad in the First World War.
Yeah. So he despised.
brendan schaub
And that's why he did that mustache.
eddie bravo
Oh, it's real.
brendan schaub
That's real.
gordon ryan
I don't know if that's real, but apparently he was gassed pretty bad in the First World War.
brendan schaub
Yeah, mustard gas.
joe rogan
Bro, that First World War was nuts.
The first time they decided to use giant fans and gas people.
Toothpast mustache, family associated, it said it originated from a military order to trim his large mustache to fertilize wearing a gas mask.
brendan schaub
Go down to the military order.
During his service in Bavarian Infantry Division, Hitler was ordered to trim his mustache to ensure a proper seal with a gas mask.
Wow. And you got the Michael Jordan mustache.
gordon ryan
That is a fun fact of the day.
joe rogan
Wow. Michael Jordan.
brendan schaub
Michael Jordan's the only guy to ever pull it off.
unidentified
And he got fucked up, right?
brendan schaub
And that's when he decided to run for everything because he thought he was saved by God.
joe rogan
You know what's the craziest thing about the gas thing?
The guy who invented Zyklon A, which became Zyklon B, which they killed the Jews with?
That guy, Fritz Haber, who was a Jew himself, he originally...
When he invented this, he also invented the Haber method for extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere.
The Haber method is responsible for 50% of the nitrogen in most people's bodies.
Because the Haber method of extracting nitrogen made it so they could fertilize all kinds of soil.
So he invents that, and he also invents this gas that kills everybody at the same time.
brendan schaub
And there's no odor, right?
joe rogan
Well, Zyklon B, there's no odor.
Zyklon A was invented, I think it was a pesticide.
And the idea was the smell was so awful so that you would recognize when it was there and you'd get the fuck away from it.
Then Zyklon B, they got rid of the smell.
But when they were gassing the troops, he was being wanted for crimes against humanity.
For war crimes, at the same time he was going to win the Nobel Prize for inventing the Harvard Method.
Wild. And then when Hitler takes over, the Jews all get kicked out of Germany.
And he's kind of sort of privileged because he's a part of the administration, but then he gets ostracized and he winds up being exiled and he dies on the run.
brendan schaub
He died on the run?
joe rogan
Died on the run.
Died running away from the Nazis.
brendan schaub
Jesus, man.
joe rogan
Yeah. Wild.
Crazy story.
brendan schaub
Dude, have we talked about the JFK files?
joe rogan
Not yet, no.
brendan schaub
No one has.
joe rogan
No. I mean, we talked about it a little bit yesterday, but I don't know anything groundbreaking.
brendan schaub
Nothing, right?
joe rogan
Nothing that I've seen so far.
gordon ryan
Do you follow that?
That page on Instagram is called Real News, no bullshit.
Yes! They posted something about it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
gordon ryan
I think it was like 2,000 pages or something, and they posted the key takeaways.
I read a little bit about it, but I kind of just was like...
brendan schaub
It's kind of like confirmation that I was like, mafia, Israel, and the CIA.
joe rogan
Well, I read one thing that the CIA, within a week or two, had dismissed the idea of a single shooter.
I read one thing.
They're like, no, it was more than one shooter.
Like, this was the...
unidentified
Yeah. It took them a week to figure that out.
eddie bravo
Weren't they involved?
joe rogan
Allegedly. But here's the thing.
What part of the CIA?
So if you're involved in killing the president, you're not telling Mike down the hallway.
brendan schaub
It's a small group.
joe rogan
You have an enormous fucking office filled with thousands of employees.
It's not like everybody's saying, hey, get a meeting.
That Irish guy?
Fuck him!
We're gonna take him for a ride through Dallas and shoot him in the fucking head.
Let's go!
eddie bravo
Did you hear that phone call from Lyndon B. Johnson to...
To the wife?
To the wife, like a month later.
brendan schaub
Bro, we're fighting on sight.
They were fucking, huh?
joe rogan
Wasn't that after she was slapping?
But that was after Kennedy was dead.
unidentified
Like a month later.
brendan schaub
He's like, how are you not gonna say goodbye next time I see him?
I'm gonna give you a slapping around Christmas.
She's like, you better.
I'll wear the rouge or whatever.
He's like, you better.
unidentified
Let's go.
joe rogan
Bro, I think everybody was fucking everybody back then.
brendan schaub
God, good times.
joe rogan
I think they were wild people.
There was no social media.
No one's a snitch.
They all just...
I mean, everybody knew that Kennedy was fucking everybody.
It was all the press knew.
brendan schaub
Nobody said anything.
eddie bravo
Didn't he have an affair with Marilyn Monroe?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
And the brother did.
brendan schaub
And Marilyn Monroe.
She was fucking both brothers, dude.
eddie bravo
And that's a fact.
That's not a conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
Fact. Fact.
unidentified
Fact. That's crazy.
joe rogan
And that's probably why she died.
She probably started writing a memoir.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they said the brother, the pillow talk is what fucked her over.
Because he'd fill her in and all this shit.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
brendan schaub
And then John F. Kennedy was like, bro, what are you doing?
Really? They're both fucking her, yeah.
joe rogan
Hilarious. Hilarious.
People were wild back then.
unidentified
Wild boys.
Wild boys.
joe rogan
No accountability.
Get away with it.
And if you're the president, that's the reason why the presidents wanted to fuck.
Despite rumors and speculation, no definitive proof of an affair.
brendan schaub
Was this Google, Jamie?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a reputable news source.
brendan schaub
You didn't see the documentary on Netflix, then.
joe rogan
Definitely no proof.
Yeah, I mean, no speculation.
Let it go.
brendan schaub
The JFK stuff kind of just confirmed what kind of they label conspiracy theorists.
Like, yeah, we've said it was CIA, Mossad, mafia.
joe rogan
It's going to take a while for the nerds to really go through it and figure it out.
brendan schaub
Oh, Candace Owen's been through it, I bet.
joe rogan
Has she been through it?
brendan schaub
I would assume.
joe rogan
Well, she's too busy with the Macron thing.
I watched two hours of that today.
brendan schaub
Me too.
Have you seen her?
joe rogan
Macron's a man.
Yeah, Bridget McCrone's a man.
brendan schaub
She got you.
unidentified
Yeah, she got me.
Candace got me.
joe rogan
She got me hook, line, sinker.
I was eating breakfast today.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I do the same shit.
joe rogan
I was eating elk steaks watching Candace Owens on my fucking YouTube.
unidentified
I love her.
joe rogan
I was like, this is crazy.
brendan schaub
Have you dived into her Harvey Weinstein shit?
joe rogan
Yes. I watched the first episode of that.
Bro. Crazy.
It's crazy.
She's like, I can't believe I'm on Harvey Weinstein's side.
Right? Crazy.
I thought he was guilty of heinous crimes.
And then you listen to it and you're like, wait, what?
What is going on?
brendan schaub
When they go through the actual affidavit, like what the girls accuse them for, you're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Also, the emails back and forth with the girls.
Yeah, she was talking about his testicles.
He doesn't have them.
Like, there's all these, like, things that should have been, that should have, like, completely thrown out a lot of her claims.
Like she was talking about he made me like hold his balls or something like that.
brendan schaub
He doesn't have balls.
joe rogan
He doesn't have balls.
His balls are like literally like inside of his thigh.
brendan schaub
When he was like 30 years old, they had to get rid of him.
joe rogan
He's got a terrible disease.
It's like gangrene of the dick.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard of it?
unidentified
Never heard of it.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got this crazy disease where your dick is basically like rotting off.
Which is kind of crazy for a guy who's like obviously a sex addict.
Yeah. Your dick starts rotting away and then you still whip it out.
Yeah. You're whipping out a zombie dick.
Yeah. Like it's a mess.
It's a mess.
gordon ryan
What is that actually called?
joe rogan
Prosecutors revealed to the jury that Weinstein underwent surgery in 99 for four years gangrene, which required doctors to remove some of his scrotum.
That surgery caused a pretty noticeable scarring because of an infection.
His testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs.
brendan schaub
So you go through the reports and they're like, yeah, he made me suck on his balls.
joe rogan
Well, that's a problem.
Whoa. There's a lot of problems.
The lady was a grifter.
The lady, allegedly.
gordon ryan
That's brutal.
joe rogan
And was going back and forth from rich guy to rich guy, trying to get things happening, and Harvey put her in a few things.
That was Harvey's move, apparently.
He'd put you in a few things.
Whitney told me that he would make deals with ladies.
Like, look, suck my dick, I'll get you an Oscar.
And they would suck his dick.
And he would get him an Oscar.
And this was the thing, where everybody thanked him.
Thank you, Harvey.
eddie bravo
That actually happened?
Yeah. He gave...
An actress, an Oscar.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't give him an Oscar.
He gave him an Oscar award-winning role in a Miramax film, which is going to be a blockbuster film, which pretty much gets you real close.
And then there's the influence of it being a Harvey Weinstein movie.
He was the king at the time, and everybody followed his lead.
You have big movies like Pulp Fiction and those kind of films that Miramax produced.
They produced bangers.
You go back and look at the Miramax library.
Banger after banger when Harvey Weinstein was...
brendan schaub
Because... Quentin Tarantino.
joe rogan
Yeah. I mean, it's just like the wildest movies from the wildest dude, you know, who is clearly a sex addict.
brendan schaub
He's like, if you want to be a lead in Pulp Fiction, you're going to suck these balls in my thigh.
joe rogan
I mean, it's fucking wild.
He just was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If this happened in the 80s, they probably would have thrown it out.
But in the Me Too movement, it was a hot witch hunt.
There was a lot of people that got in deep shit for almost nothing.
brendan schaub
Dude, look into the dude from that 70s show who's in prison for life.
His appeal's coming up.
Look into that one.
Really? Bro.
gordon ryan
That was like three chicks, right?
brendan schaub
Three chicks.
And if you look at the appeal, it started off with, oh, he raped me and drugged me.
And then it went to, he held a gun to my head.
They keep changing their stories.
That one's wild.
joe rogan
You've been following the Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively thing?
brendan schaub
Bro, Blake Lively.
Talk about ruining your reputation and Ryan Reynolds.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fucked up.
Ryan's trying to get out of it now.
He's trying to get out of the lawsuit.
And they're like, you are a key part of this.
brendan schaub
This is what you get, though.
This is what you get, trying to fucking ruin a guy's livelihood by using the Me Too movement?
joe rogan
Because they were trying to take over the movie.
Yeah. They were trying to take over the movie and the whole franchise.
He owned the franchise.
brendan schaub
They're fucked, man.
joe rogan
The whole thing's crazy.
brendan schaub
They're fucked.
joe rogan
And he's suing the New York Times, and he's got a great case there, too.
brendan schaub
He's going hard in the paint.
But that's what it takes.
It's like Johnny Depp.
He's like, alright.
He did it for the boys.
joe rogan
Exactly. You gotta do it.
brendan schaub
You need real motherfuckers to be like, nah, man, I ain't going out like this.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially a guy like that who's known as being this really sweet, nice guy.
And then he's like, alright, enough.
brendan schaub
He posted the receipts?
He's like, oh, remember our tech exchange?
joe rogan
How about she told him to come into the dressing room while she was breastfeeding?
And then part of the complaint was that he came into the dressing room while I was breastfeeding.
Like, you literally have a text exchange back and forth.
They just never thought that anybody was gonna come out with the receipts.
brendan schaub
'Cause no one's ever done it,'cause everyone just bows down.
joe rogan
'Cause everyone's scared.
Because Ryle Reynolds, A-list, Blake Lively, A-list, like,"Don't, they're the queen." Oh, that's the Taiki team.
Oh, is it over?
gordon ryan
Yeah, we missed it.
brendan schaub
It's 2025.
gordon ryan
That shit's over, man.
joe rogan
We're terrible at this.
brendan schaub
Yeah, we've been talking about Harvey Weinstein's nuts and his thighs.
unidentified
We missed the favorite getting choked out.
brendan schaub
I'm going to get a Coke real quick.
Anyone want anything?
joe rogan
I'm going to take a piss really quick.
brendan schaub
I'll wait for you to take piss so we're not all gone.
joe rogan
We're going to miss you, Eddie.
brendan schaub
It'd be cool if we grabbed me a Coke, right?
joe rogan
Go grab me a Coke, Eddie!
Oh, wait till he's out there.
brendan schaub
That'd be cool.
gordon ryan
Oh, dude, I haven't seen him out there yet.
joe rogan
One, two, three.
Oh, that's a belt, bro.
That's the Gordon Ryan belt, motherfuckers.
Right there.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's badass.
joe rogan
Prominent position.
gordon ryan
That is a prominent position.
joe rogan
Yeah, that looks awesome.
brendan schaub
You two pulled up in some shit today.
Your new car, that fucking truck.
Jesus Christ.
gordon ryan
I haven't seen that car.
What is it?
joe rogan
Oh, it's a Shelby Super Snake.
gordon ryan
What year?
joe rogan
24. Okay.
brendan schaub
First one I've ever seen.
gordon ryan
How much horsepower does it make?
brendan schaub
830? 830, yeah.
Coyote 5-0.
joe rogan
So fun.
gordon ryan
Is it manual?
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
What am I, communist?
It's manual.
gordon ryan
They don't make the GT500s in the...
joe rogan
I know, but they make the Supersnake in it, which is why I bought it.
I would have bought a GT500, but there was one company that was doing a swap.
They were doing a six-speed swap on a GT500.
I almost bought that.
But then I thought about it.
I was like, I don't want any Frankenstein cars.
Like, I don't know how this works.
Computer stuff, weird shit.
Because, you know, it's not designed for that.
But the Supersnake is designed for it.
Oh, it auto blips on the downshifts.
It's nice.
brendan schaub
Sounds nice.
joe rogan
Oh, it sounds like war.
It sounds like a real American muscle car.
But it's modern.
So it has all the feel of a muscle car.
The lurch when you hit the gas.
Boom! Fucking giant power.
Great handling.
brendan schaub
Great handling.
The brakes are great.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's also real comfortable.
The drive suspension is beautiful.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's a great fucking car.
And it's just so good looking.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so fun.
I love it.
I love it.
It's such an American car.
brendan schaub
Bro, I was at Mecham yesterday.
You should see some of the shit people do with those cars, man.
joe rogan
It's wild, man.
With Mustangs?
Everything. Oh, with everything.
brendan schaub
I mean, the Mustangs for sure.
Like the old, the 60s, all that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
Dude. And the resto mods?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
I'm just sitting there like, bro, I want it all.
joe rogan
I know it's a problem.
brendan schaub
I want it all.
joe rogan
Cars are a real problem.
We're talking to three guys here that have real car problems.
brendan schaub
Oh, dude.
At a budget, like they cleared me to buy something and I've never bid on anything.
I went fucking nuts, dude.
What'd you get?
joe rogan
Oh, you got a Jeep, right?
brendan schaub
I got a Jeep.
I went nuts.
I tackled my manager.
I didn't know what to do.
I was so nervous.
I was so fucking nervous.
Because there's like big ballers.
There was a guy, I went to the Kismet one.
There's some old, I have no idea what he did.
He was next to me.
In 12 minutes, he probably spent $7 million in cars and didn't give a fuck.
And I was like, bro, you just won that GT40.
How are you not...
No fist pump?
joe rogan
Nothing? That's yours?
brendan schaub
That's mine.
joe rogan
What color is that?
It's like a purplish-pinkish?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's like a pinkish, but it has a 392.
It's the last call edition.
Brand new.
Less than 200 miles.
joe rogan
That looks good.
brendan schaub
Look, I tackled my fucking manager right there.
joe rogan
Oh, so you were right there.
What happened?
brendan schaub
I was on ESPN.
I didn't know.
I was so embarrassed when they told me I was on live TV.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
gordon ryan
Those 392 Jeeps are sick.
joe rogan
Oh, they're great.
gordon ryan
Brigham has a lifted one.
They are awesome.
brendan schaub
Oh, I'm going to toss some King Shocks on that bitch.
A big Magnum blower.
joe rogan
That's another classic American car.
I mean, the Jeeps look exactly like Jeeps, and they have like that for...
They look updated, but it's kind of like a 911.
brendan schaub
That's what I was just going to say.
unidentified
Like Porsche.
brendan schaub
They never change the body style, so they have this cult following.
You know what's the most Googled truck in the world?
joe rogan
Oh, I believe.
brendan schaub
A Wrangler.
Yeah. They have like a cult following.
joe rogan
Also, there's so much customization available for those things because they've been around for so long.
gordon ryan
They're like Lego cars.
joe rogan
You can't go wrong.
brendan schaub
So much shit for them.
joe rogan
You can't go wrong with that.
Have you ever seen the America's Most Wanted Jeeps?
brendan schaub
Oh, where they toss the Hellcat in them?
The demons and shit?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, baby.
They put 1,200 horsepower in those bitches.
brendan schaub
That's my shit.
joe rogan
Yeah. And they do up the suspension and map everything out perfect.
brendan schaub
Were you going to get one or no?
joe rogan
Yeah. You were sending me one.
I'm too busy.
Too many things.
unidentified
Too much.
brendan schaub
I love my call.
Y'all get some bullshit, like a four excursion on my helmet.
Overwhelmed. Powerstroke, and I call him.
They're like, cool, cool.
And he tells me what he has.
I'm like, oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's one.
Look at that.
That's 1,000 horsepower.
brendan schaub
That has the health in it.
Those things are wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, they make some wild ones.
gordon ryan
Are you going to get the new ZR1?
joe rogan
I want to.
I should.
But I shouldn't.
But I will.
brendan schaub
I already put the order into spec one.
gordon ryan
You had the SF90 on order, didn't you?
joe rogan
Yeah. Did you get that?
No, it hasn't gotten here yet.
gordon ryan
You should just get the ZR1 instead.
joe rogan
The other one's going to my wife.
gordon ryan
That's fair.
brendan schaub
That's why I was driving.
unidentified
That's an horsepower Ferrari.
All black.
joe rogan
I just kind of stop driving automatic cars.
Unless it's my Tesla.
gordon ryan
What's your favorite car to drive?
brendan schaub
Don't say the Tesla.
joe rogan
I don't know.
The Tesla, if I want to get there quick.
If I want to get there quick.
brendan schaub
But you don't want people, you know, flipping you off and shit.
You don't want them drawing Nazi signs on it.
joe rogan
You don't have too much of a problem with that in Austin.
brendan schaub
You know what's weird is, you know me, I can't stand electric cars, but now that the libs are like, I'm like, oh shit, I might get a Cybertruck.
I wish a motherfucker would.
gordon ryan
Yeah, just because.
brendan schaub
I wish them.
unidentified
Just because.
brendan schaub
Oh, now I want one.
Now you fucked up.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
brendan schaub
I might get one and swap a diesel in it so it looks like it.
And they don't know.
Jesus. Just so they fuck with me.
joe rogan
Yeah. People have done that.
They've put V8s.
They've dropped V8s in Teslas.
brendan schaub
It's a lot of work, though.
joe rogan
It's also why.
brendan schaub
You're basically just tossing.
You've got to pay for the Cybertruck, and I'm going to have to pay for it.
It's a disaster.
joe rogan
Rich Rebuilds did one.
gordon ryan
And then it's just slower.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yeah, it's silly.
brendan schaub
Sometimes it's not all about speed, though.
You know, when people tell me that, I'm like, ah, you ever driven like a fucking water-cooled fucking, you know.
Flat six, Porsche, like, stick?
unidentified
No, no.
gordon ryan
Of course.
joe rogan
Right. Especially the air-cooled ones.
brendan schaub
Yeah, the air-cooled ones.
It's just not all about that.
joe rogan
Especially those old ones are so light.
You feel everything.
You're dealing with a 2,000-pound car.
Even if it only has 250 horsepower, it's so fun.
brendan schaub
It's different.
joe rogan
It's so different.
It's like an amusement park ride.
It's like...
It's just like...
gordon ryan
It feels like you could die at any point, but then you look down and you're doing like 35 miles an hour.
brendan schaub
My Hummer is not the fastest, but fuck, it's cool, man.
Yeah, fuck.
There's nothing like it.
joe rogan
I forgot you got a Hummer.
What's in that thing?
brendan schaub
6.0 Powerstroke, fully built.
Big-ass turbo.
eddie bravo
Aren't there electric Hummers now?
joe rogan
Yeah. Those are great, man.
The new GMC's, those are fucking great.
Red Band has one of those.
It's fucking awesome.
They crab walk.
brendan schaub
Crab walk.
Yeah. Parallel park like this and shit.
joe rogan
Does he have any problems with it?
gordon ryan
I heard the charging has some issues.
brendan schaub
They've had a lot of issues with them, yeah.
joe rogan
No, he hasn't had any problems with it.
brendan schaub
They'll figure those out, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, he loves it, though.
It's fast as shit, too, for a big-ass fucking truck.
brendan schaub
They're so fast.
So heavy.
unidentified
Crazy fast.
brendan schaub
So fast.
eddie bravo
But huge.
joe rogan
It's an enormous truck.
eddie bravo
You think they're going to start making less electric vehicles now that Trump's in?
brendan schaub
They're already doing it.
joe rogan
Here's the problem with electric vehicles.
This is the number one problem.
Resale. Terrible.
Porsche Taycans, they sell them for like, you know, what is a Taycan Turbo S?
160? They sell them like a year later for like 70. Over 200.
They lose so much value.
gordon ryan
Jamie, I lost my...
joe rogan
Crazy value.
eddie bravo
Why is that?
joe rogan
Because nobody wants to buy a used electric car because the range drops off.
So like say if you buy a Corvette, you can buy a 2017 Corvette, like a ZR1.
They're still really expensive.
brendan schaub
Super expensive.
joe rogan
Is ZR1 a manual from like 2017?
It's like...
You get $300,000 right now.
Right now.
brendan schaub
A better comparison would be, think about your Ford GT, a 2006.
Right. They're $500,000 minimum now.
joe rogan
Right, but that's different because that's like a classic.
It's 20 years old.
But a new car, say if you get a new AMG GT and it's a 2025, you sell it next year, you're not going to lose much money.
If you sell a Ferrari, you'll lose no money.
Like if you buy a Ferrari today and you sell it in a year and you got a thousand miles on it, you'll make money.
brendan schaub
Porsche make money.
Porsche's the best.
joe rogan
But if you have a fucking electric car, like Audis, those e-trons, those are sick.
brendan schaub
Even Tesla Plaid.
joe rogan
Sick cars.
brendan schaub
Tesla Plaid, I can get cheap.
joe rogan
A friend of mine got one of those and he got like a year old one for like 70 grand.
And brand new.
It's like 150 or something like that.
It's crazy.
eddie bravo
Why not just get like a new battery or something?
joe rogan
Well, that's a big problem.
brendan schaub
So expensive.
joe rogan
Swapping batteries.
And they still have battery.
For the most part, you're not driving 250 miles.
If you have a plug at home, if you plug it in at home, you have a supercharger at your house, which I do for my car.
It's great.
I just get it home, plug it in.
It's always good to go.
And it gets like fully charged.
I think my car gets like 350 miles if you drive like a grandma.
For normal day-to-day, you just stick it in there and you never go to the gas station.
It's awesome.
brendan schaub
See, but fuck all that noise.
gordon ryan
You're not road-tripping it?
joe rogan
Yeah, as long as you're not road-tripping.
If you're road-tripping it, you've got to really map it out, especially if you don't have a Tesla, because then you have to find all these other rando super stations.
brendan schaub
But like my Hummer, I have a 55-gallon diesel tank in the back.
I fill that bitch up maybe once every three weeks.
It gets good gas mileage.
I can go on long road trips.
joe rogan
There's a few great options that aren't Teslas.
One is Lucid.
You've seen Lucid Air?
brendan schaub
Those are cool.
joe rogan
They make them super high-end.
brendan schaub
Eric Griffin has one.
joe rogan
Does he really?
brendan schaub
Yeah. That bitch shut down on us in the parking lot, but yeah, he has one.
joe rogan
Did he really?
brendan schaub
We couldn't get out.
joe rogan
It died?
brendan schaub
It was like 100 degrees.
I was like, oh, I'm going to break your car, dude.
And he's like, oh, out of all the times that this has never happened, it happens while you're in the car.
gordon ryan
I was like, I fucking hate these.
Isn't there a manual release?
brendan schaub
He didn't have that.
gordon ryan
Okay. Yeah.
brendan schaub
We had to wait like 40 minutes.
joe rogan
Did someone have to come and help it out?
brendan schaub
No, eventually he called and they're like, oh, just reset.
It was like resetting your phone.
Oh, wow.
I fucking hate that shit.
eddie bravo
Isn't there something about like, you know.
All the radiation.
You're in the car and it's like you're surrounded by...
joe rogan
No, that's a good question.
Like EMF, right?
It's a good question.
eddie bravo
Is that a real problem?
joe rogan
If you're not supposed to have your phone by your head...
Your car?
Yeah. I mean, your whole car is a big-ass phone.
I don't know.
brendan schaub
That's a real problem?
joe rogan
According to people like RFK Jr. and many other people, don't think that you should have ear pods in.
You should have the wired ones only, and even those are not the best thing to have.
You should just listen to things like on a Bluetooth speaker.
brendan schaub
Also, the people vandalizing Teslas, that could be a worse car to vandalize because there's cameras fucking everywhere on that thing.
joe rogan
360. Bro, so many people are going to jail right now.
gordon ryan
And if you don't have a Tesla, you don't really know that like...
If you're within 20 feet of the car, it's recording.
joe rogan
Yes. Sentry mode.
Seven cameras.
brendan schaub
It's so wild.
joe rogan
Fully HD cameras.
See your face.
There's so many guys who've gotten busted.
Fat liberals.
eddie bravo
Have you seen those Tesla mini homes?
brendan schaub
They're never in shape.
gordon ryan
There was one guy who was rubbing shit.
eddie bravo
Grab his ass?
gordon ryan
Grab his ass cheeks and just rubbed it all over.
joe rogan
That guy was looking for an excuse to rub shit on things.
He probably goes home and jerks off with his own shit.
unidentified
Have you seen those Tesla mini homes?
eddie bravo
No. Oh, you haven't seen them?
No. Dude, Tesla has tiny homes.
They're like trailers, but like super high-tech.
gordon ryan
I saw the Amazon ones.
eddie bravo
Have you seen those?
Tesla's got mini homes.
unidentified
No shit.
eddie bravo
Have you seen this, Jamie?
The mini-homes?
joe rogan
They're not made by Tesla, though.
unidentified
Oh, it's not?
eddie bravo
No, no, it is.
No, seriously.
unidentified
I'm looking.
eddie bravo
The one that I've seen, I just saw it a couple days ago.
It's Tesla.
joe rogan
He sure wasn't like an AI-generated thing?
eddie bravo
No, no.
gordon ryan
Tesla has solar panels.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have Tesla solar panels for your roof.
unidentified
Tesla mini-homes.
That's not real.
If that's what it was.
brendan schaub
That shit gets Calen though, Eddie.
eddie bravo
That's not real?
brendan schaub
Yeah, it gets Calen all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's fucking AI.
They get me, man.
I asked Elon like five times.
You making a phone?
eddie bravo
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Why do they keep getting these AI X phones?
brendan schaub
It's fake.
unidentified
There it is.
That's fake?
joe rogan
Click on it.
It's from two years ago.
unidentified
It's not real.
joe rogan
Click on it though.
We'll see what it says.
I know it's fake.
brendan schaub
AI's getting so good.
Calen thought Conor McGregor was in the movie Popeye.
unidentified
It's just like a YouTube video with a Popeye.
eddie bravo
Damn, they got me dead serious.
joe rogan
Dead serious.
So they show the little house?
unidentified
Well, there's boxable.
eddie bravo
No, I know about that.
Like, that's real, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, you could buy a house for 10 grand now.
If you're just like a single dude who has a plot of land, just park that house with solar.
You could literally live off the grid in a little bullshit house.
Like that?
unidentified
Is that what?
brendan schaub
And then you get Starlink.
joe rogan
Is that real?
eddie bravo
No, it was like a little...
It was a pod, like an egg.
It looks like an egg.
brendan schaub
That's AI, Doug.
Wow, they got me good.
joe rogan
Those little tiny houses you could buy, like if you were just a dude living by yourself, and you're like, I don't need nothing.
brendan schaub
If you're young, it'd be dope.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
They're not expensive.
Like somebody leaves you a little plot of land, you got a couple acres somewhere.
gordon ryan
Every man's dream.
A one-bedroom house with a 40-car garage.
joe rogan
Sit on your front porch and say, fuck the world, I own this whole thing.
I own this.
brendan schaub
No mortgage?
joe rogan
Yeah, no mortgage.
$10,000 house.
And it's nice.
It's like, what do you need?
Do you need a kitchen?
Do you need a TV?
What the fuck do you need?
If you're a single guy, you need a bed, you need a TV, unless you're trying to get mad pussy.
If you're trying to get mad pussy, then you need a long driveway, lights everywhere, you need a fountain.
brendan schaub
All the dudes are like, this is dope.
The chick's like, good luck.
joe rogan
That's not a panty dropper.
A tiny house is a no-go.
Like, why do you have a tiny house?
What's going on?
Can I see your bank account?
How much do you make?
Are you going to be able to feed my babies?
jamie vernon
There's a bunch of videos from a few days ago that this is all nonsense.
joe rogan
All AI generated.
That's interesting.
eddie bravo
Wow, that right there?
That's what I saw.
unidentified
That would be a dope podcast studio to put in the middle of nowhere.
jamie vernon
I'm not going to say that that's necessarily fake, but it's not a house that someone could live in that's like a couch.
brendan schaub
It's a suicide pod, Eddie.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a little drug den.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's exactly what I saw.
And it's like a little five-minute mini-documentary commercial.
They go deep into it.
unidentified
Yeah, they got you.
joe rogan
Well, they get you, man.
These AI things are nuts, man.
brendan schaub
I haven't been fooled yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen AI things with my own voice on them.
I'm like, wow, this is crazy.
And I know it's fake.
eddie bravo
You know, speaking of fakery, when you had Mel Gibson on your podcast the other day...
He brought up the Shroud of Turin.
And I always thought that was fake.
What is that?
The Shroud, it's like the cloth that Jesus was buried in and left an image of it.
And in the 80s, like 1988, they did carbon dating on it.
And they go, oh, it's fake.
unidentified
See that?
joe rogan
Yeah, it literally has, like, the image of Jesus burned into it somehow or another.
eddie bravo
I never looked into it.
I just figured it was fake.
But listening to you and Mel Gibson talk about it, I'm like, what?
It's real?
joe rogan
Well, apparently it's a lot older than they assumed when they did the first testing.
And one of the problems is that there's cross-contamination.
There's also been repairs to it.
But they did subsequent testing, and they found that it was, like, 2,000.
Plus years old.
eddie bravo
Yeah, and the one thing, it's the most studied artifact ever.
Like particle physicists, nuclear engineers, they all studied it, and some of them, some believe in it, some don't believe in it, but they all agree on one thing.
No one knows.
How they did it.
joe rogan
Right. There's no paint.
eddie bravo
There's no paint.
There's no dye.
So, dude, all this week, dude, all day, I'm just watching documentary after podcast on this shit, and it's fucking mind-blowing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
eddie bravo
It's mind-blowing.
joe rogan
If it turns out that they can't figure out how anyone could ever do it.
Like, if no one has come up with a theory of how to do that today, that's where it gets really interesting.
Because it wasn't paint, and it wasn't dye, and it wasn't burned in.
eddie bravo
They all agree on that.
joe rogan
It wasn't burned in.
eddie bravo
They all agree it's a mystery.
But then the skeptics say, just because we don't know how it was done doesn't make it real, which is a good point.
But then the other side's like, dude, all these scientists have no idea how they faked it.
It's got to be real.
So it's all about how you look at it.
brendan schaub
I lean on the side to be real.
eddie bravo
There's a nuclear engineer.
There's a nuclear engineer.
You can go on YouTube.
His name is Robert Rucker.
Watch his breakdown.
This guy's a nuclear dude.
He's breaking down the photo.
It's insane because it's a negative image on a non-photographic material.
It's linen.
And then it turns out...
Like, if you look at it with the naked eye, it's white, and then you see the image of the face is kind of like yellow.
You can barely see it.
But in, like, 1898, some photographer took a picture of it, and then flipped, and then looked at the negative, and then all of a sudden, in the negative, the whole body appears, front and back.
Because he was buried, like, with a...
joe rogan
Did you see the images, James?
eddie bravo
He was buried with the sheet under him, and it went around his head.
That's the back of him.
joe rogan
Yeah, the right one's the back and the left one's the front.
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
No one knows how they did it.
No scientists.
joe rogan
The holes where the wrist would be nailed.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
That was the thing with Jesus with me.
It's very hard.
It was always very hard to believe in Jesus.
I'm like, dude, the resurrection, that's a hard one to wrap your brain around, right?
I could believe that he existed.
I could believe that he got crucified.
A lot of people got crucified.
But the resurrection was always the thing that kept me from really believing in Jesus.
I'm like, there's no way the resurrection was real.
brendan schaub
But even if this is real, Eddie, it doesn't mean he was resurrected, right?
It just means he was crucified and he was an actual real man.
eddie bravo
No, the thing is, is how...
The image got on...
The people that believe that it's real believe that when he was resurrected, some kind of ultraviolet radiation, some kind of burst made that image.
Oh, gotcha.
Because that image has never been on any other shroud.
People get buried in shrouds all the time.
There's never an image like that.
joe rogan
Pretty crazy.
eddie bravo
And the crazy thing is the blood, there's no image under the blood.
So the blood was there first, and then the image is after.
It's crazy shit.
Dude, I'm like, I went deep down a rabbit hole all week just watching the skeptics, the scientists, particle physicists.
They have no idea how the fuck that image got on the front and back?
The back of them, too?
joe rogan
It's pretty weird.
gordon ryan
Did you see the thing?
eddie bravo
It's crazy, dude.
It's crazy.
gordon ryan
Apparently there's some structures underneath the pyramids they just found.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were talking about that the other day.
brendan schaub
How have they not looked at that before?
Well, what the fuck?
joe rogan
They don't know whether or not that's legit or whether these guys are jumping to conclusions.
A lot of people are calling bullshit and saying they jumped to conclusions.
A lot of people are saying that it really, you can't tell from those images, like what they drew in the 3D image where they drew everything and made a model of it.
They're doing a lot of guessing.
So they're going to do more testing, though.
eddie bravo
There's definitely something under there.
Something is under there.
joe rogan
Something's under there, and it's massive.
And if these guys are correct that it goes down two kilometers, help me explain that.
Explain that with any conventional wisdom.
That's more than a mile into the Earth.
That's fucking nuts.
What does that mean?
Who did that and what was the purpose of it?
Because there's a guy named Christopher Dunn that thinks that the entire Giza pyramid, the big one, the Great Pyramid, was a power plant.
And he has this whole schematic that he mapped out.
Like, this is how you would generate hydrogen.
You would have something underneath the surface, underneath the ground, that was causing a vibration, a pounding.
And then this reverberation, this vibration would go through the entire building because it was all made out of limestone.
And then they had these channels, these paths, that they would fill with chemicals.
And they would go into what's called the king's chamber.
and this porous limestone that would allow the chemicals to leap through, to leach through and that would create hydrogen.
God damn.
Yeah, I mean, I'm doing, I'm butchering it.
I'm sorry, Mr. Dunn.
But if you listen to his take on it, and he's an engineer, he explains why the pathways and everything, this is exactly how you would do it if it was some sort of a power plant.
But whatever it is, it's like, I don't think that it's a tomb.
unidentified
Remember your bit where you said...
eddie bravo
I bet people used to be really smart, but the dumb people just outfucked the smart people.
Pen the one at a staggering pace.
Remember that shit?
Man, I mean, the pyramids, for sure, are a mystery.
Like, how the fuck do they build those?
And now, finding out what's underneath them, like, fuck, who knows?
Gobekli Tepli.
There's all these mysterious architecture everywhere.
joe rogan
But it's...
Everywhere. Everywhere.
eddie bravo
Everywhere. Every city.
Like, these cathedrals.
Like, think about it.
Power tools were invented in the 1890s.
And they're talking about these insane cathedrals all over the world.
joe rogan
Carved out of stone.
eddie bravo
With no power tools?
Right. How the fuck did they build?
joe rogan
Have you ever seen that one in India?
There's a few of them in India, but there's one that's all carved out of stone.
They didn't bring any rocks there.
They don't know where the stone went.
It's all insanely intricate and carved out of stone and fucking massive.
eddie bravo
And they're everywhere, dude.
South America, Asia, China.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at that.
Bro, they carved that out of solid stone.
brendan schaub
They might have just been bored as fuck, though.
joe rogan
Look how tiny the people are down there.
brendan schaub
There's not shit to do better than that.
joe rogan
Bro, do you know how long that would take?
brendan schaub
Yeah. Yeah, hundreds of years, they don't have shit to do.
joe rogan
Look how spectacular the craftsmanship is.
Spectacular. And no one knows how old that is.
It's like, take a guess.
unidentified
So, back to your bit.
gordon ryan
People used to...
joe rogan
It's probably accurate.
Oh, Molly McCann's getting choked.
brendan schaub
Shit. She needs to win bad.
eddie bravo
Dude, have you heard...
joe rogan
Oh, she's getting choked.
brendan schaub
Yeah, she's getting choked.
gordon ryan
Well, the hands aren't locked yet.
She has a two-on-one on the support.
brendan schaub
Right. She keeps turning.
joe rogan
She's got a good grip on that shoulder cap, though.
gordon ryan
Yeah. Oh, now she's fucked.
brendan schaub
Now she's fucked.
joe rogan
She looks fucked.
brendan schaub
Now she's fucked.
joe rogan
She's out of it.
She's out of it.
gordon ryan
Oh! But it wasn't good that she had her hand underneath the jaw that easily.
She only got 40 seconds.
brendan schaub
Whenever she fights, the crowd's just cheering and she's getting beat up.
joe rogan
Well, she's so tough.
She's so tough and she's such a gamer.
brendan schaub
It's just not enough.
eddie bravo
Oh, that's deep.
Oh, that's deep.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's over.
That's it.
brendan schaub
She's lost, what, four out of five now?
joe rogan
Yeah, if that proves to be true and there really are these massive structures underneath the pyramid, they've got to change everything.
eddie bravo
Dude, there's past civilizations that were super highly advanced.
There's got to be.
joe rogan
You know what I have a hard time getting into, but every now and then I'll dive into it.
eddie bravo
Giants. Giants too, dude.
Giants. That's another one.
brendan schaub
There's a lot of them moving all that shit.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know about that because I think you need a lot more than giants to move those fucking stones.
You need some kind of crazy technology because giants don't explain the engineering.
It doesn't explain the precision that was involved.
Whatever they did, they were moving 80-ton stones from 500 miles away and through the mountains and there's no roads and no one knows how they did it.
There's no explanation.
gordon ryan
Did your Instagram algorithm fuck you up with the...
The giant AI videos.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I saw those.
Giant guys.
Huge, 70-foot dudes carrying giant stones, like jacked, shredded.
There's a lot of reports throughout the ages of giant human beings.
brendan schaub
Look, what's a giant?
joe rogan
Nine feet tall, ten feet tall.
brendan schaub
That's a fucking giant.
joe rogan
Like a race of nine foot, ten feet tall people, and there's all these stories about bones that were giant bones that got transported to the Smithsonian, but they covered it up.
brendan schaub
And I assume they don't live long because they're They're so big, so they probably just eventually fell off.
gordon ryan
I think Robert Wadlow was 8'11".
He's on record the tallest.
joe rogan
Right. He had a serious disease.
Now, imagine a foot taller than that guy, jacked, but just a different kind of human being.
eddie bravo
Bro. Have you heard of the little season that's in the Bible?
They talk about the little season.
brendan schaub
No. Let me get a Coke.
eddie bravo
Well, in the Bible, it talks about...
joe rogan
He didn't get you a Coke, huh?
brendan schaub
I asked you when you were leaving to get a Coke.
eddie bravo
Oh, I'm sorry.
Does anyone want any of you?
joe rogan
No, I'm good.
eddie bravo
In the Bible, apparently, you know...
Your average Christian thinks tribulation is coming, right?
Jesus is going to eventually come, right?
Tribulation, we're going to be judged, right?
And then there's going to be a 1,000 year millennial where Jesus returns and rules for 1,000 years and all the resurrected apostles are going to be kings and they're going to rule this realm that we're in.
That's what the tribulation, Jesus returns, 1,000 year millennial.
This is in the Bible.
And then after the 1,000 years, and then during those 1,000 years, There's a guy named Paul Stobbs I had on my podcast.
He told me all about this.
He's on YouTube.
Understanding Conspiracies on YouTube.
Paul Stobbs.
He's amazing.
He's talking about...
So that's what we're waiting for.
Jesus returned.
He rules for a thousand years.
He's the king of this earth.
And then while those thousand years are going on, Satan is chained.
To the lake of fire.
So there's no Satan.
It's just Jesus and his apostles ruling.
And then after the thousand years, this is called the little satanic season.
It's in the Bible, too.
I checked, Doc.
The little season where Jesus lets Satan go, and then Satan rules this earth, and he influences all the nations.
And it's called the little satanic season.
And the purpose of that is to test people.
There's a theory.
There's a theory that he already ruled for it.
He came back in the apostles' lifetime and ruled.
They already did that, a thousand-year millennial.
And now we're in the little season right now.
Doesn't it seem like Satan is, like...
Influencing all the nations?
Doesn't it seem like an evil world?
joe rogan
Well, it seems like evil has always been a part of the human race.
There's always been people committing genocide.
There's always been evil.
There's always been people that justify murder for money.
Bombings of fucking apartment buildings.
eddie bravo
I sent them a link, like a two-minute video.
Jamie, can you play this real quick?
This guy explains.
It's really...
And then you'll see all the structures.
So that explains.
So there's a theory.
There's a theory that it explains all these structures that were built by angels.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to wonder when you get back to that Zachariah Sitchin stuff.
Because one of the things about this whole Anunnaki thing was that they were giants.
Yes. And the big theories are that the giants bred with human beings, which probably means some sort of genetic engineering, like taking existing primates and turning them into human beings.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, those are the most fun.
Those are the most fun.
The idea that we're visited by an alien, an alien race, and this alien race is far superior, and that they used us as slaves to mine for gold.
Those are the most fun theories.
eddie bravo
Did you get that link?
unidentified
Yes. Well, it's 22 minutes long.
eddie bravo
No, just play like two minutes.
unidentified
I know.
I'm trying to find a good spot.
eddie bravo
No, right in the...
Right. It's right.
gordon ryan
What is their mechanism supposed to be?
Start traveling through space.
paul stobbs
Oh, no.
eddie bravo
Okay. So, right at one minute.
Right at like one minute.
You're right.
Like one...
joe rogan
It's just showing videos, though.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
But there's talking over it.
There's a narration over it.
joe rogan
Okay. So, try it now.
paul stobbs
I'm like, Paul, why are you doing this?
Just stop.
Stop it.
It's clearly like this is too much right now.
Just stop.
unidentified
Yeah. You just kept...
Tumbling me.
It just kept hitting.
I thoroughly loved it.
I've talked about it to 100 people.
Everybody I know, I'm like, there's a theory out there, and then I have no clue what I'm talking about.
Fast forward a little bit more.
eddie bravo
This video is called The Little Season Theory Number One.
And the YouTube channel is Understanding Conspiracy.
It's the little season theory number one.
It's just so good.
joe rogan
He has no idea what he's talking about, though.
eddie bravo
Just start it right there.
joe rogan
This is such an Eddie Bravo subject.
unidentified
Today, to walk me through this...
eddie bravo
Here we go.
paul stobbs
Okay, I'll try and cover most bases.
joe rogan
Sounds like Bryce Mitchell talking about it.
paul stobbs
I'm not going to be able to thoroughly explain every single nuance today in, like, two hours.
It's just not going to happen.
What I'll try my best to do in this talk is give...
A foundational overview of most of the talking points involved around this theory, and it's a working theory.
Let's bear that in mind.
We're still figuring things out.
There's multiple options for certain sections of this theory where it could have gone, so I'll try my best to relay as much as I can.
But the basic premise to work off here is that what most modern Christians are waiting for today is the return of Jesus Christ after the Tribulation.
And we all have our eyes on the signs.
We're trying to discern the signs around us, trying to determine who the Antichrist will be, what the mark of the beast will be, all of those things.
We're kind of looking for them and waiting for those signs to happen, which will be the signs of the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds, which will be tribulation, judgment, and then, obviously, a millennial reign is what people are waiting for, and people get to live.
With Christ for a thousand years, as it says in Revelation 20. So people are pretty adamant we're living in that time.
We're living in the time just before tribulation.
It's just around the corner.
It's just about to happen.
That's what people are pretty adamant where we're at.
That's the mainstream thought of not only conspiracy Christians, but just mainstream churchianity.
That is the view of modern Christians.
We are in that time.
There've always been other views out there which say, you know, well, you know, it's a spiritual kingdom and we're living in it now, you know, and that goes on forever and ever, and there's no physical kingdom and all these type of things.
You have amillennialists who believe that type of thing.
What this theory says kind of blows it all out of the water.
It's a completely new take on the situation.
There has been a worldview called praetorism, which was created a while ago.
I think about 1600s by...
I think it was.
People say it was a Jesuit.
It may have been a Jesuit, but this theory we have today is not praetorism, classically so-called.
It's kind of something else.
And a lot of people who don't like this idea will attack praetorism and think that's what we're talking about.
Most praetorists, even they believe it's a spiritual kingdom.
We're not saying that here.
This is...
We're talking about a real, physical, tangible thousand years where Christ reigned on earth.
This theory posits it's all already happened.
We're not living in the times just before tribulation.
We're living after the thousand year reign of Christ.
He's already been on earth.
He has reigned for a thousand years on earth with his resurrected saints and the elect who survived through tribulation.
joe rogan
Wouldn't there be a record of that?
Doesn't it make sense that Christians would document that?
eddie bravo
He goes over like, why?
If there was a record and we knew, then this wouldn't be a test.
There wouldn't be a reason for the little season.
The little satanic season.
He let Satan out.
He unchained him.
There's a painting of Lucifer.
And he looks just like the fucking...
Statue of Liberty.
And he's got a chain, like a shackle around his ankle with a broken chain.
And it's a famous painting of Lucifer.
And he's like this, right?
And then you look at the Statue of Liberty.
That's not a woman.
That's a dude.
And it's got a fucking shackle around its ankle with a broken chain.
joe rogan
Statue of Liberty has a shackle around a tackle?
eddie bravo
With a broken chain, just like the famous...
joe rogan
Really? Find the painting of Lucifer.
eddie bravo
No, no, you go find out.
Just punch in Lucifer, Statue of Liberty.
joe rogan
So much fun.
The Statue of Liberty is not a chick.
That's not a chick.
eddie bravo
That's not a chick.
joe rogan
That's a trans dude.
brendan schaub
I just thought you had a strong jaw.
joe rogan
Strong jaw and some...
Nose. You know, some boobs.
Man boobs.
unidentified
Look at that.
eddie bravo
That's a painting of Lucifer.
joe rogan
Whoa. Damn.
eddie bravo
And you think that's a chick?
brendan schaub
It could be France just trolling us, though.
eddie bravo
Look at the chain.
He's got a...
joe rogan
Damn, Lucifer's dick is gone.
He's got the Harvey Weinstein.
eddie bravo
Go to the...
gordon ryan
There's a chain.
eddie bravo
Look at it right there.
joe rogan
Whoa! Wow.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
That's the foot of the Statue of Liberty.
Broken chain with a shackle.
joe rogan
But Jesus...
I mean, Satan has two arms up in there.
Yeah. It's mean.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I don't know.
This is just crazy conspiracy.
gordon ryan
The chain is really identical.
joe rogan
It's basically the Elon Musk.
My heart goes out to you.
eddie bravo
Yo, yo, yo.
I'm going to say this.
brendan schaub
Dude, Jesus is Lord.
gordon ryan
That is going to be still framed somewhere on that.
eddie bravo
I'm all in, dude.
I'm all in.
I'm all in with all this.
With the shroud of turn, I'm all in, man.
joe rogan
Christ is king.
I'll put conveniently crop the image to make a false point.
Oh, in that image.
Yeah. And that right there.
brendan schaub
They look pretty fucking similar.
joe rogan
Eh. No?
Eh, two arms, one arm.
unidentified
Look at the chin!
joe rogan
A dude with an arm up in the air.
I mean, they modeled it off of something.
jamie vernon
They didn't just create it out of thin air usually, too.
eddie bravo
You think that's a chick?
brendan schaub
No. No chicks have a big-ass bicep before.
joe rogan
The Statue of Liberty, the arm is huge.
Look at that forearm.
That's a jacked forearm.
eddie bravo
Look at the fucking hands.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a dude's hand, a dude's arm, a dude's face.
brendan schaub
Dude's nose.
joe rogan
Dude's nose.
Yeah. Statue of Liberty doesn't look like a guy.
But it does look like it kind of has boobs.
eddie bravo
And he's holding up a torch.
A torch.
Lucifer, that's the god of...
joe rogan
Is there boobs in the Statue of Liberty?
Like legit boobs?
Get a full view of the Statue of Liberty.
brendan schaub
She's cheeked up.
unidentified
Did they give her some implants later in the day?
eddie bravo
On a Thursday afternoon.
joe rogan
Did they pump out the copper?
Did they get under the copper and heat it up and push it out a little bit?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I've never seen it close up, man.
joe rogan
I've never seen the boobs.
brendan schaub
That thing does look trans now that we look at it.
joe rogan
Now that we look at it.
brendan schaub
France is like, ah!
joe rogan
It could be a key in a Tesla.
It could be a key in a Tesla right now.
Okay, so here's the full image of it.
Yeah, it doesn't look like it has boobs.
That does not look like...
Well, that right one looks like a little bit of a tit.
That looks like a tit.
brendan schaub
Could be gyno, though.
joe rogan
Could be gyno.
Could be gyno.
Ancient steroids.
brendan schaub
No chick, man.
Goddamn, Eddie, why you fucked that up for me?
unidentified
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Pretty crazy.
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I've been going down rabbit holes.
joe rogan
France wanted the Statue of Liberty back.
eddie bravo
Yeah. That looks like a chick.
joe rogan
He said, give it back to us.
You guys are bad.
Look at that.
And then the lady who's a White House press secretary is like...
You're lucky we're not speaking.
You guys would be speaking German if it wasn't for the United States.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that press secretary is a savage, huh?
gordon ryan
Every day you wake up, it's like, what now?
joe rogan
But we needed France to beat them in World War I. That's a fact, too.
France lost, like, some insane percentage of their population in World War I. I think they lost 25% of their male population, their 18 to 25, or 18 to 30 male population in World War I, and another 25% in World War II.
They paid heavy.
brendan schaub
No one paid a heftier price than Russia.
joe rogan
No one talks about it.
brendan schaub
They don't teach that in schools.
Russia got fucked up.
joe rogan
They lost 20 plus million.
Yeah. I mean, Russia's been through so much.
Just the amount of people that got starved by Stalin.
France provided crucial aid to the American colonists during the Revolutionary War, including military support, financial assistance, and naval power, ultimately contributing significantly to American victory and independence.
Yeah, they've helped us through everything.
Yeah. So.
I think it's stupid that we hate France.
I don't get it.
I think it's stupid that we hate Canada, too.
I don't get that either.
brendan schaub
Canada needs to get their shit together, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have terrible government, but the Canadian people are awesome.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Canadians are awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the new guy is more of the same.
brendan schaub
Oh, really?
joe rogan
And then they have to have a vote.
And when they have a vote, then that Pierre Polivet guy...
brendan schaub
Is he one of Fidel Castro's sons, too, or what?
No, he's not.
gordon ryan
When is that vote?
joe rogan
He's a conservative.
They don't have the same thing over here.
It's November 4th.
With them, they get to decide when there's going to be a vote.
brendan schaub
When they've had another vote?
joe rogan
They'll call it in three weeks.
Three weeks, they're going to have a vote.
I don't even know when or how.
I don't know how their system works up there.
They got a squirrely system up there.
And they just keep losing rights left and right.
I mean, what they did during the whole trucker convoy thing was nuts.
gordon ryan
That was crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy. Like, full-on communist bullshit.
brendan schaub
There's people still in jail.
joe rogan
Well, there's people that lost their bank account that only donated to the truckers.
brendan schaub
That's wild.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
They froze their money.
gordon ryan
That was kind of the start of, like, them stopping all the crazy shit.
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of a lot of people woke up.
brendan schaub
The protests?
gordon ryan
Yeah. Once the truckers did that and they started shutting bank accounts down.
brendan schaub
You're fucking with real dudes.
gordon ryan
Across all of North America, they were like, okay, maybe we should kind of take it easy.
brendan schaub
Yeah, truckers are real dudes.
They're like, hold up.
Yeah. Hold the fuck up.
joe rogan
A lot of dudes who woke the fuck up because of that.
brendan schaub
Thank God.
joe rogan
Yeah. Because they're so polite up there.
They're so nice and polite in Canada.
brendan schaub
Till they're not.
joe rogan
Till they're not.
But it's easy to kind of get them thinking, this is the right thing to do.
Eh? Yeah.
You know, and then the next thing you know.
eddie bravo
Have you seen the DMT red laser light thing?
joe rogan
I've heard about that.
Yo! I heard it's nuts.
Have you done it?
eddie bravo
No, but I've seen a bunch of videos on it.
Apparently, if you do DMT and you shoot a red laser, I sent Jamie a video.
If you shoot a red laser, you see the matrix.
You see code.
Yeah. And everybody sees the same shit.
joe rogan
Really? Not only that, but if you get above the laser and you look down, you see layers of code.
eddie bravo
Yes. Yes, check this out.
jamie vernon
Chase Hughes, I just saw a video of him saying he saw it too.
eddie bravo
Yeah, this is on Chase Hughes.
Is he a famous scientist or something?
joe rogan
No, he was just on the podcast though.
brendan schaub
This guy was?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a mind control expert that explains psyops and how they...
unidentified
I've seen it on Instagram and I heard you and Danny talking about it, so you've done it.
chase hughes
Yeah, I saw it on Instagram and...
Flew Danny to my house right away.
unidentified
Like, break this down for people because it got shared amongst my group.
eddie bravo
And it's like, what the fuck?
chase hughes
Exactly. And that's the only question you're still going to have after you see it.
unidentified
It doesn't answer any questions.
It just invites a lot more.
chase hughes
Yeah. Nothing else.
There's code.
Absolutely. There is code.
brendan schaub
So the code's not like spinning there.
unidentified
It's like it's literally they kind of written out static.
chase hughes
It's static.
I can move the laser up and down and see all of the letters.
But it's like three-dimensional, so I can get close to the wall.
I can look down inside of the laser that way, and I can look up in the laser that way.
unidentified
What's your best guess at explaining that?
chase hughes
I would be a fool.
unidentified
Okay. We can just leave it at that.
brendan schaub
Can't somebody write the code down?
chase hughes
It's a universal consciousness that we're projecting.
eddie bravo
They just discovered this.
joe rogan
Well, I bet some eggheads probably are right.
eddie bravo
I know the guy who discovered it, man.
Really? I don't know him personally, but Brandon McCaffron, one of my black belts, he knows him personally.
He goes, dude, if you ever wanted to do your podcast, I could make, you know, I'm like, hell yeah.
joe rogan
Let's pay attention to this fight.
brendan schaub
It's a great fight.
eddie bravo
That was seeing the Matrix when you're on DMT with a red laser.
How crazy is that?
gordon ryan
Any laser?
eddie bravo
It's like a red laser.
There's a bunch of videos on YouTube.
gordon ryan
Is it like a specific laser?
joe rogan
What if you do with a green laser?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
I don't know, but there's video of a bunch of people.
That's just one dude.
That's like the most...
All the other guys are like stoner dudes.
You know what I mean?
I wanted to show this dude.
He seemed to have a little more intelligence a little bit.
Or a little believability.
But everybody sees the same shit.
They see the fucking Matrix.
The numbers, the code.
Isn't that fucking life-changing?
joe rogan
You saw that Tom Campbell interview that I did, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah, I loved that one.
That was one of my favorite ones.
joe rogan
That one's nuts.
eddie bravo
Yeah. That one's nuts.
joe rogan
When he's explaining to you that consciousness creates reality.
eddie bravo
You know what?
I never really took the simulation theory seriously, but...
You know, I've always believed, like, Jesus is a new thing for me.
Like, the Shroud of Turin, I'm all in now with the Shroud of Turin.
But before that, I was like, I don't know about Jesus, maybe, but I believe in God, and I believe in a creator.
Like, whoever created this shit is God.
joe rogan
Here we go.
eddie bravo
Right? And there must be code on how God created this.
Yeah. So that, you know, I think science, like the simulation guys, they're finding what God created.
Like, who else could?
Put this simulation together, but a god.
Who else?
joe rogan
Here's the craziest theory.
You know, AI is about to become sentient, and then they're going to do quantum computers with AI.
What if that's how Jesus comes back?
What if Jesus re-emerges as a created consciousness?
eddie bravo
And he's on an app.
joe rogan
By that time, he'd probably be able to communicate to your fucking head.
I mean, they've already figured out how to put signals into people's heads, put voices in people's heads.
They can literally have things, say things to you, or you hear voices in your head.
They have that technology.
And if quantum computing gets attached to AI, and then it figures out how to make better versions of itself, what does that mean?
brendan schaub
But isn't that similar to MKUltra, what we're doing to compromise people?
joe rogan
Well, that's different.
brendan schaub
How's it different though?
joe rogan
Because MKUltra, they were just trying to manipulate people with acid and they were doing all sorts of different psychedelic drugs and doing it on people without them knowing.
To get them to think crazy shit though, right?
But also trying to get them to manipulate them so they can get them to do things like try to kill the president or something like that.
Which they still do.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they have to still do.
joe rogan
There's no way they stop doing that.
And I guarantee, if you could, if there is a conspiracy theory about that kid in Pennsylvania that tried to kill Trump, oh, went to the ground.
Gunner got him down.
brendan schaub
Kevin's lost four.
I was last five.
eddie bravo
He really needs this.
Put a triangle on him.
brendan schaub
Kevin is a black belt, but not Gunner Nelson black belt.
joe rogan
Gunner Nelson's so legit.
Yeah. If he can get you scrambling on the ground, Kevin's in trouble.
unidentified
Look at that.
eddie bravo
Look at that.
Dude. Damn, if he opens his legs, he's got to put a grip together around that arm, right there.
If he put a grip around the arm, it...
unidentified
Oh! Oh my god, he's hanging on that arm.
joe rogan
That can't be good for the shoulder.
eddie bravo
It's over now.
He's not going to be able to hold on.
All he had to do was just grip, S-grip, under the armpit, and that was a wrap.
gordon ryan
This is a tiring position, though, for Gunnar.
He's holding his entire body.
joe rogan
It's tiring for Kevin, too, though.
His legs are gassing out here, for sure.
And now he's out.
brendan schaub
Gunnar's a weird one because he's not active.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, he doesn't fight a ton.
joe rogan
He's busy with his gym.
unidentified
Oh, look at that another time.
brendan schaub
Three years ago, I think, Joe.
It might be two, but maybe three.
It's going to be tough to smack Gunnar.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's getting in there.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Gunnar's not scared to get in there.
joe rogan
No, he's not scared.
brendan schaub
And eventually you're going to get tired.
eddie bravo
Who gave Kevin Hall on his black belt?
joe rogan
Travis Luter.
unidentified
Travis Luter.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit, okay.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a Texas boy.
gordon ryan
Fort Worth fight was two years ago.
brendan schaub
Two years ago.
joe rogan
Almost, exactly.
How old is he now, Gunnar?
unidentified
He's got to be 36. Yeah.
joe rogan
He was so good when he was at the top of his game, his jiu-jitsu was off the charts.
eddie bravo
Yeah, considered one of the best jiu-jitsu players.
joe rogan
Beat Jeff Munson.
Remember that?
eddie bravo
I forgot that one.
joe rogan
Munson was fucking huge.
brendan schaub
Yeah, MMA-wise, he just never got over that hill like the top contenders.
He's just not active enough.
joe rogan
And his striking is just not the same level as the elite guys.
Although he does have a good style, that sort of karate.
brendan schaub
His style's cool.
joe rogan
Robert Whittaker type style.
brendan schaub
I think he just got busy.
Like, he has his school.
It's like in the side of a fucking mountain.
joe rogan
Is it?
brendan schaub
Yeah. In Iceland.
joe rogan
He's an interesting dude, man.
brendan schaub
Yeah. Super talented.
Remember, he was part of Conor's camp for a while there.
joe rogan
That's right.
eddie bravo
Yeah. Oh, shit.
Can opener.
joe rogan
Old school.
brendan schaub
I have always liked Gunnar Nilsson.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is...
brendan schaub
Big Thor told me he rolled with Gunnar.
I know he's rolled with you, Gorn.
He said he got absolutely destroyed.
He said he rolled with Gunnar, and he couldn't understand it.
He was like, I understand Gorn because he's so big.
He's like, then I rolled with Gunnar Nelson.
He fucked me up, too.
gordon ryan
I watched a video of it the other day.
brendan schaub
Oh, really?
There's a video of Gunnar?
gordon ryan
I mean, Thor just has no grappling experience.
brendan schaub
Zero. Zero.
eddie bravo
Who's Thor?
joe rogan
The Mountain.
brendan schaub
The Mountain from Game of Thrones.
joe rogan
The giant dude.
He's like 6'9".
gordon ryan
You know who's competing in jiu-jitsu now is that guy Martins.
brendan schaub
Oh, Martins?
gordon ryan
Yeah, Martins.
He did that one...
When I rolled with Thor, he was also there.
And he wrestled in high school, so he was a little bit more with it.
Better base.
He's been training jiu-jitsu and competed.
unidentified
That's cool.
gordon ryan
He just won his first tournament.
brendan schaub
Good for him.
He's made a handful for him.
joe rogan
Imagine if Brian Shaw started getting into jiu-jitsu.
gordon ryan
I taught him a private when he came here.
That was interesting.
joe rogan
What the fuck, dude?
That's a giant.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a giant.
gordon ryan
I made him drill Big Dan.
I was like, I'm not touching either one of you.
joe rogan
That's a good way to get hurt.
Look at that.
Oh, we lost it.
Scrambled. It's really greasy.
Got slippery.
Got slippery.
brendan schaub
Kevin has that X factor.
joe rogan
Oh, nice knee to the body.
That was a nice knee by Kevin.
That hurt.
brendan schaub
This pace.
unidentified
Oh, we dropped him.
eddie bravo
It's over.
joe rogan
Six seconds to go.
brendan schaub
He got some.
He got some.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
He's in trouble.
Two, one.
brendan schaub
And... Let it go.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
That was a big punch.
joe rogan
Oh, the haymaker at the end.
brendan schaub
Uh-oh.
eddie bravo
Gunnar's fucked up.
Damn, they let it go.
joe rogan
Oh, look at him.
He's wobbly.
brendan schaub
Super fucked up.
joe rogan
He's wobbly.
eddie bravo
They're not gonna stop it.
joe rogan
Oh, it's gonna start on the feet.
Gunnar's in trouble.
unidentified
Gunnar's in trouble.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yeah, he's in trouble.
eddie bravo
Good for Kevin.
brendan schaub
He needs a win, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does.
It's been a while.
He just fights so often.
No one's more active than Kevin.
But this is 170, finally.
eddie bravo
What's his losing streak?
brendan schaub
Two? Lost four out of his last five.
I think he's lost three in a row.
joe rogan
The thing is, like, he's so much better at 70. I know he doesn't like the weight cut, but it's 70. He's so much better at 70. He's so tall and long and dangerous.
brendan schaub
Remember, he beat Homeboy, who did the spinning back.
joe rogan
Joaquin Buckley.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Joaquin Buckley.
Two in a row.
joe rogan
He lost two in a row?
unidentified
Yeah, three out of four.
joe rogan
Hamza, and who else?
gordon ryan
All four out of five.
joe rogan
Oh, Rene DeRitter.
brendan schaub
He lost four out of five.
gordon ryan
Yeah. The Redder vs.
Bo is gonna be interesting.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it is.
brendan schaub
Bo better fucking wrestle, dude.
I'm gonna freak the fuck out.
joe rogan
Yeah. I was so impressed with what that guy did to Holland.
I was like, that's impressive.
Because he just manhandled him.
Yeah. Manhandled him.
gordon ryan
His grappling is good.
He can't get it.
I'd train with him.
brendan schaub
RDR, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah. Gunnar looks like he's still in a little bit of trouble.
brendan schaub
Yeah, RDR was a two-division champion at one championship.
Like, he's no punk.
If Bo Nickel gives this bad striking, I'm gonna freak the fuck out.
joe rogan
There we go.
jamie vernon
Kevin Holland's fought seven times since Gunnar Nelson's last fight.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Oh, uppercut.
He got him with that uppercut.
gordon ryan
He also had a good grappling matchup.
joe rogan
Oh, nasty punches to the body by Holland.
brendan schaub
He also went against Cade in one championship.
Just straight grappling.
joe rogan
Who did?
gordon ryan
How'd that go?
brendan schaub
He got submitted, I think.
If Gunnar lost, I don't know if he got submitted.
joe rogan
He's in trouble.
gordon ryan
I didn't see that one.
joe rogan
Gunnar is not able to take Kevin down this round.
He's going to be in trouble.
And also, you've got to think, Kevin Holland's hungry right now.
Because he still wants to be a champion.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's tough.
At 70, though, he could do it.
joe rogan
He could do it at 70. He's just got to be super focused and stay at 70. This hopping up and down and getting losses at 85 against DeRitter's like 220.
brendan schaub
But also being that active, it's tough to compete with the biggest guys.
It's just tough to be that active.
joe rogan
Right. And be a top guy.
eddie bravo
He fought Koms at an 85?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
On like a three-hour notice.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
That was when Nate Diaz and him were supposed to fight, but Hamzat came in eight pounds heavy, and Kevin Holland stepped up and said, I'll take it.
brendan schaub
And Hamzat just fucking...
joe rogan
And Kevin was supposed to fight D-Rod, remember?
brendan schaub
Yep. Which is a great fight.
joe rogan
Gunners are trying real hard for this takedown, man.
unidentified
Burning off a lot of fuel.
Almost has it.
joe rogan
Almost has it.
gordon ryan
If he would have kept stepping inside, he would have done it if he cut a circle a little bit better.
joe rogan
He's got to be fatigued right now.
You know, two plus minutes into the second and got beat up at the end of the first, which takes a lot out of you.
gordon ryan
That's such a big factor.
joe rogan
You know, you think about perceived skills.
brendan schaub
Oh, come on, Gunnar.
joe rogan
You think about perceived skills versus current level after a guy gets rocked.
You know, you think he's still the same guy that he was early in the fight, but when you get rocked, man.
brendan schaub
Oh, bro, you're out of it.
gordon ryan
Yeah. Well, look at Makachev and Olivera.
Like, he clipped him and then, like, immediately passed his guard and finished him.
joe rogan
Yep. Yep.
Or even Ankalaev and Pereira.
Second round, he gets rocked.
And then he's kind of not the same after that.
brendan schaub
Trigger shy, yeah.
joe rogan
Much more defensive after that.
brendan schaub
Forgot the game plan a little bit.
Kept his back to the cage.
joe rogan
Bro, I saw a good breakdown of Ankalaev's stand-up against Pereira.
It was very high level.
brendan schaub
Super impressive.
joe rogan
Especially taking away the front hand.
He's doing this circular motion with his hand and taking away angles.
brendan schaub
Apparently they run that rematch back.
joe rogan
Oh, we got him down.
Almost. Nice.
They're gonna run it back, I'm sure.
They have to.
That's the big fight in that division.
And if Pereira can come in healthy, he's...
Oh! Oh, we got him down.
But he's another one.
He's too active.
brendan schaub
Too active.
But he's smart, too, because he's 36, 37. He's like, I gotta go, man.
I gotta make it as much money as possible.
joe rogan
He's done that.
He's become an all-time great in, you know, three years, which is crazy.
eddie bravo
You give 10-8 first round?
Gotta be 10-8, right?
joe rogan
That's hard to say because Gunnar had him down for a while.
Yeah. You know, I mean...
eddie bravo
He had him in Omoplata, too.
joe rogan
He did rock him at the end.
Yeah, I count those.
And unfortunately, they don't count.
Like, near submissions.
I think near submissions are big.
brendan schaub
I'm with you, Eddie.
eddie bravo
If they're close, it should be 10-8.
joe rogan
Like Oliveira versus Armand Sarukian.
I feel like Oliveira almost had him a couple times.
eddie bravo
And what?
joe rogan
What did he have?
A Darce?
brendan schaub
A Darce guillotine?
eddie bravo
If it's cinched up, if you have something cinched up...
joe rogan
That's a lot.
brendan schaub
The shame about that fight...
eddie bravo
Even a triangle.
joe rogan
Yes. That's so close.
brendan schaub
That fight should have been five rounds.
That's five rounds, Charles probably wins that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so too.
Maybe. I mean, who knows?
brendan schaub
Who knows, but he would have a better chance.
joe rogan
But if you count near submissions as...
Like, much more points.
brendan schaub
You get no credit.
joe rogan
You don't get credit like you do if you rock a guy.
But it is.
You're close to finishing a fight.
brendan schaub
But to that same point, like with Alex Pierre defending 12 takedowns.
12 for 12, you get no fucking credit.
The guy attempted 12 takedowns.
You couldn't do it.
That guy gets no points.
eddie bravo
Who should get credit?
brendan schaub
The guy defend the takedown.
eddie bravo
No! You don't get credit.
You get credit for, like, not getting hit?
joe rogan
Well, you get a little bit.
brendan schaub
A little bit.
joe rogan
A little bit.
eddie bravo
I don't think you should get credit for defense.
joe rogan
The big credit is the submission attempts.
Yeah, but offense.
eddie bravo
You get points for offense, not defense.
joe rogan
He's going to it again.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine you get points for escaping an arm bar?
Like, that would be retarded.
brendan schaub
That'd be dope.
joe rogan
See, this is interesting, right?
Because Kevin was doing a lot of damage at the end of the first, but a lot of it was on the back.
And then here you got Gunnar, takes him down.
After unsuccessfully taking him down for like three minutes, and he's doing something.
He's on top.
brendan schaub
Oh, he won this round.
joe rogan
Right. But nothing's happening.
Did he get it, really?
eddie bravo
Yeah. You get a takedown?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that wins the round.
joe rogan
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, nothing's happening.
He's not getting any damage.
brendan schaub
Kevin didn't do anything.
joe rogan
True. Yeah.
brendan schaub
So in that situation, nothing happened.
He took him down.
eddie bravo
You give it to Gunner, for sure.
brendan schaub
100%. Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's not as good as like a guy rocking you.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
Right. Exactly.
eddie bravo
There's a difference.
joe rogan
I feel like the whole scoring system is fucked.
eddie bravo
Both those rounds are not 10-9s.
The second round's a 10-9.
First round, how is that a 10-9?
He almost knocked him out.
brendan schaub
He barely survived.
eddie bravo
They could have stopped him right at the end.
He got saved by the bell.
How is that not a 10-8?
joe rogan
When a guy gets dropped, it's automatically a 10-8.
brendan schaub
Yes. The guy's in trouble, 10-8.
joe rogan
I think that's a good move.
When a guy gets dropped.
But then you've got fights where a guy gets dropped and gets up and drops the other guy.
eddie bravo
And it evens out.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
brendan schaub
I think even rounds are okay.
joe rogan
I think they need a more comprehensive scoring system.
I think the whole 10-9 is crazy because we just took it from boxing.
And we're like, okay, that's an established point system for fighting.
But you're using it with something that has all these different elements.
Takedown, submission, octagon control.
There's so many more factors in an MMA fight.
brendan schaub
And you've got to look at the people scoring it.
These judges, half of them don't know what the fuck they're looking at.
joe rogan
That's a good fight.
Moreno and Ursaig.
That Ursaig guy almost beat Pantoso.
eddie bravo
We're doing EBI in Mexico City the next day.
So that's Saturday.
Next day, EBI 23, the featherweights with strikes.
We're bringing back strikes in EBI.
joe rogan
Ooh. Hell yeah.
Strikes or combat jiu-jitsu?
eddie bravo
There's enough sub only.
Combat jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
So slaps.
eddie bravo
Yeah, combat jiu-jitsu.
It was born in EBI.
joe rogan
Can you punch the body?
eddie bravo
You could strike to the body.
You could strike anywhere.
unidentified
Punch. Not punch, strike, open hand, everywhere.
eddie bravo
Yeah. That's next Sunday on UFC Fight Pass.
joe rogan
Are guys practicing their body strikes?
Are they, like, working on that?
Oh, Jesus.
eddie bravo
They should.
joe rogan
Kevin's so dangerous.
He's hitting him with hard body shots, man.
Oh, elbow over the top.
Oh, knee.
unidentified
Good knee.
joe rogan
Kevin's got to go for broke.
Because he probably won the first round.
I think he won the first round for sure.
Second round, no.
So this is it.
And Kevin needs to win.
He's landing some uppercuts.
Oh, Gunnar's in deep.
Gunnar's in deep.
Oh, he's out of it.
gordon ryan
Isn't his hands locked anymore on the buddy?
brendan schaub
Oh, he got him.
unidentified
He got him.
joe rogan
He got him.
Full mount.
Full mount.
Oh, shit.
Here it is.
Kevin's in trouble.
brendan schaub
Gunnar's in full mount.
Third round.
joe rogan
Grapevine in the legs.
gordon ryan
He rushed in the back take in the first round, though.
He should take his time from here.
joe rogan
Yep. But he's got time.
gordon ryan
Take his feet off the cage.
eddie bravo
The fact that he's not digging for underhooks right now is kind of scary.
gordon ryan
Well, he should have took his feet off the cage.
eddie bravo
Like, why won't you immediately go for the underhook?
unidentified
Yeah. What was your plan in the mound?
gordon ryan
Underhooks had at least take his feet off the cage.
That's what got him out.
joe rogan
You're not supposed to dig your toes in the face.
eddie bravo
Gordon, if you were in the mount right there, you would immediately grab the underhook and underjack to like an arm triangle, right?
gordon ryan
Yeah, underhook.
Well, the first thing is to circle his feet off the cage.
brendan schaub
You're saying circle him to the center of the octagon?
gordon ryan
Yes. Because the bridge off the cage gives you immensely...
unidentified
Correct. Totally, but besides that, underhook, underjack, arm triangle, right?
eddie bravo
Oh, damn.
Look at that.
He's going to knock him out with that.
joe rogan
Those are good.
eddie bravo
He should really...
brendan schaub
Knocked Jacare out from the bottom.
Yep. From guard.
eddie bravo
How about Henzo on Oleg Taras?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Remember that shit?
joe rogan
That was the first time we saw an effective upkick.
eddie bravo
Yeah, and then Jerry Bolander on...
gordon ryan
He's going to pass him here.
eddie bravo
I know.
Jacare Mousasi.
Or Fabio Jurgel.
joe rogan
He's passing him.
He's got the back.
gordon ryan
He's got one hook.
eddie bravo
I think there's probably like 10 up...
Oh, there it is.
unidentified
Oh, there it is.
joe rogan
Arm triangle.
eddie bravo
There it is.
gordon ryan
He's got to get his right knee across to Kevin's left hip.
eddie bravo
He's got to mount him.
gordon ryan
He's got to get his left knee across to his left hip.
He's got to pass the guard.
brendan schaub
Can he not apply enough pressure in half guard?
gordon ryan
It's hard from half guard.
eddie bravo
It depends if he has a good lockdown or not.
If he had a good lockdown, he would survive.
But he's just got to...
Why he's not passing the guard here, I'm not sure.
gordon ryan
It's also hard for him to dismount from here because the cage is in the way.
Even if he does mount him.
eddie bravo
Here it comes.
gordon ryan
Okay, so now he's gonna try to either mount him or move the side control.
But he's kind of wedged in place by the cage.
eddie bravo
There it is.
Here it comes.
He probably knows what's up.
He's just waiting till Kevin catches his breath.
Oh, should not take the back.
gordon ryan
Stop! That was nice by Kevin.
brendan schaub
That was really nice.
eddie bravo
That's why you got a mount.
gordon ryan
Gunnar should have switched back to a tight waist when Kevin went to roll out.
joe rogan
Kevin should break free here.
He should break free here and start teeing off on him.
gordon ryan
Gunnar held on to the arm triangle too long.
eddie bravo
He should have mounted, in my opinion.
Like, all arm triangles, in my opinion, should be in the mount.
Once you start going side control, there's too many escapes.
Escapes are too easy.
gordon ryan
Well, you should have at least set it better for mount.
Like, it wasn't set.
Like, you should have mounted him.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
gordon ryan
Kevin's gonna come at him hard here.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
He's got to.
brendan schaub
She can't get taken down.
joe rogan
Oh, another knee.
Another knee.
eddie bravo
Damn, this is gonna be a hard one to score.
brendan schaub
Super hard to score.
gordon ryan
I'm trying to go for a Darce.
joe rogan
It looks like it.
brendan schaub
It looked like he thought about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's looking for it for sure.
brendan schaub
Disengage, Kevin.
joe rogan
I know, right?
Especially now.
gordon ryan
He's got his hands locked.
joe rogan
And he had times to disengage, and he's got an advantage in the striking.
brendan schaub
Huge advantage.
joe rogan
But also, like, so exhausted at this point in the fight.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he's probably trying to rest.
brendan schaub
Total strikes, Kevin, 130.
Gunner, 20. Gunner's going to win it.
joe rogan
Unless Kevin catches him, three seconds to go.
eddie bravo
So, 10-9, 10-9, Gunner, but then 10-8 in the first round?
What, is that a draw?
unidentified
Is that a draw?
brendan schaub
You do 10-9, Holland, first round.
eddie bravo
It's going to be a draw.
brendan schaub
10-9.
joe rogan
If they gave him 10-8 for the first round.
eddie bravo
The guy was saved by the bell.
How do you not give him a 10-8?
joe rogan
No, I agree.
But it doesn't mean that the judges agree.
The judges are goofy.
Judges are goofy.
eddie bravo
It all depends.
joe rogan
It depends.
I don't think they hand out 10-8's enough.
eddie bravo
Do they still have Adlai Bird?
Does she still work?
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
eddie bravo
She was awesome.
She was the best.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
What is this movie?
unidentified
It's a truck commercial.
joe rogan
For what movie?
unidentified
For Ford.
joe rogan
This is a truck?
unidentified
It's a Ram.
Yeah. It's a truck commercial.
joe rogan
Woman in the Yard.
No. It's a movie.
Only in theaters Friday.
Oh, you're looking at something different?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I haven't said you're on a delay.
I was like, that's a truck commercial?
joe rogan
Oh, are you looking at ESPN Plus' different commercials?
brendan schaub
The new Raptor coming out?
joe rogan
Yeah. Oh, weird.
Oh, how weird.
So there's different commercials depending on where you look?
unidentified
Yeah, it's weird.
They're my accounts, too.
Yeah, I have a hiring SipRecruiter ad.
brendan schaub
So I think Jan's next.
unidentified
Yes. Jan Oldberg next.
joe rogan
So what's the guess?
brendan schaub
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Give us some volume, Jamie.
gordon ryan
I think Gunnar takes it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Gordon has a good point with all the control Gunnar had with these judges.
joe rogan
Draw. Yeah.
brendan schaub
Draw. Could be a draw.
eddie bravo
Either it's a draw or Kevin Hall wins.
brendan schaub
Gunnar split.
Oh, it's Gunnar.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brendan schaub
Good for Kevin, man.
eddie bravo
That's legit.
They gave him that third round.
joe rogan
Yeah. Damage.
He did all the damage, even though Gunnar had control of him.
He did have an arm triangle.
eddie bravo
And he did take him down.
joe rogan
But Kevin definitely did more damage to him.
gordon ryan
Almost had his back a couple times.
joe rogan
Yeah. True.
eddie bravo
True. I think it should have been a draw.
joe rogan
It could have been a draw.
gordon ryan
I mean, Kevin looked surprised when they announced him.
joe rogan
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. Good for Kevin.
He needs it.
Yeah, he's saying I knew it could go either way.
brendan schaub
Kevin at 170, that's his spot.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's his spot.
brendan schaub
He's beat some good guys.
joe rogan
He's got legit championship potential.
How about a rematch with him and Joaquin Buckley at 170?
That would be crazy.
You know?
eddie bravo
Is Joaquin Buckley the guy that did that crazy kick?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro, he's a monster at 170.
At 170, he's a monster.
brendan schaub
He beat the shit out of Colby.
joe rogan
He's so motivated, too.
eddie bravo
Colby Colvington?
brendan schaub
Yeah. Kevin Holland?
No, Colby got his ass whipped by...
gordon ryan
Joaquin. Joaquin Buckley.
eddie bravo
Forgot about that fight.
How did that go down?
joe rogan
Knockout? He just beat the shit out of him.
They stopped the fight.
brendan schaub
Defend the takedown and just beat the shit out of him.
joe rogan
He beat the shit out of everybody.
eddie bravo
They stopped the fight?
joe rogan
Yeah. 170, he's a monster.
eddie bravo
Colby Colvington?
joe rogan
Yeah, they stopped the fight.
eddie bravo
Recently or early in his career?
joe rogan
Yeah, Joaquin beat his ass.
brendan schaub
A few months ago.
joe rogan
Damn, I missed that.
Holy shit.
Joachim's a real problem at 170.
He's super motivated, amazing genetics, super explosive and fast, very disciplined, gets better every fight, crazy cardio at 170.
brendan schaub
Especially being that muscle-bound.
joe rogan
That muscle-bound, but it's his work ethic, man.
He's got crazy work ethic.
Did you see that video he made for Bilal?
No. He explained, like, you got what I want.
It's this whole thing, talking about his life, what he needs, taking care of his grandmother.
It was intense.
He's like, I'm coming for you, boy.
It's intense.
He's a real threat at 170.
brendan schaub
Big time.
joe rogan
But I would love to see that.
eddie bravo
Is she coming back?
joe rogan
No, she's done.
She got boobies now.
That's the man.
eddie bravo
Remember when he fought Ryan Hall?
No one knew who he was.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He smashed him.
unidentified
Duck. He's in a tough position.
eddie bravo
What would you say, Gordon?
Like 80%, 85% of UFC fighters aren't ready for the high, high level leg locks, right?
That's how Brian Hall came in and he would just leg lock dudes.
Yeah. Because MMA fighters aren't really...
brendan schaub
They're not focused on it.
eddie bravo
They're not focused on jujitsu at the high level.
But see, Ryan Hall ripped through some people with leg locks.
unidentified
Even BJ!
joe rogan
Yeah. Which is crazy.
eddie bravo
But then he hits Topuria.
How do you say his name?
Topuria. That was the first guy like, oh shit, this guy knows how to defend leg locks.
Who is he?
Who's his coach?
He's got a...
gordon ryan
I'm not sure.
eddie bravo
Famous guy.
Ilya? Yes.
He was working with...
Someone legit.
Maybe it was like Balance Studios or something.
I don't know, but that was...
Sometimes you're going to run into guys that you cannot leg lock, and when it's all greasy...
brendan schaub
But also, you get to a certain level where guys can stop your game at leg lots, and if you don't have striking, you get exposed.
That's why Ryan doesn't fight a lot.
eddie bravo
He was well-versed in...
How do you say it again?
brendan schaub
Teporia? Teporia.
joe rogan
Ryan Hall's had like nine surgeries.
Maybe more.
I think it was 23 is what I looked up.
That's nuts.
brendan schaub
He's not that active.
I know he's turned down a lot of matchups, too.
joe rogan
What is he getting surgery on that's 23 times?
gordon ryan
Is he still fighting?
brendan schaub
He's still under contract, but I know he's turned down a bunch of fights.
joe rogan
19 under general.
eddie bravo
I like his style.
joe rogan
19 under general anesthesia?
He's put out 19 times?
That can't be good for you.
You get put to sleep 19 times?
19 general anesthesia surgeries.
Some procedures need to be redone due to complications.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Holy fuck, man.
What is his injuries?
21 general anesthesia surgeries since that fight.
Sorry, 19, there were two prior.
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
What happened to him?
joe rogan
I don't know.
They kept having issues.
So at 21 general anesthesia surgeries, I got fallen on, tore my ACL, had to fix a plantar plate, got fallen on again, had to have a tightrope surgery on that one that Pat Mahomes and a couple other people have had.
ACL got infected.
I had a couple of septic arthritis.
Tightrope was actually allergic to the hardware they put in me somewhere, somehow.
Had to have that redone.
It's been interesting, but back on the end of it.
On the back end of it, rather.
Wow. That's crazy.
Boy. Wow.
brendan schaub
I had no idea.
joe rogan
That's so many surgeries.
eddie bravo
I thought he retired.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
How many surgeries have you had?
One. Just one?
gordon ryan
Yeah, my LCL.
I mean, I've been injured a lot, but just one surgery.
eddie bravo
Was that from a leg lock?
Eddie Cummings?
gordon ryan
No. Eddie broke my ankles a bunch of times, but that was when I competed against Joao Rocha.
I was going for a leg lock entry, and he was like 270.
He jumped towards my head.
joe rogan
What happened to Eddie?
gordon ryan
Dude, I don't know.
He just disappeared one day, and then apparently he was training pretty recently at Henzo's and Unity.
But he just stopped training jiu-jitsu forever, got a real job, I think.
eddie bravo
That guy was vicious, man.
joe rogan
So good.
unidentified
So smart.
eddie bravo
I was standing over him as he ripped through everybody with leg locks.
I'm like, God damn.
He was on some other shit.
You know what I mean?
He was vicious.
And then you hear from his training partners that, man, he went hard, right, in the training room?
He went after legs.
gordon ryan
He did get hard.
joe rogan
Yeah. It's weird when guys get that good and just stop.
eddie bravo
After he retired, he still put out a couple videos, little short instructionals on Instagram, and this one he put out for the Z-Lock.
In my opinion, the Z-Lock, the one he showed, that's the best one.
brendan schaub
It's not a sad story if you want to do something cool.
It's kind of dope that he's like, fuck it, I'm over it.
If he went on to make money, he's doing well.
Depends what he's doing.
eddie bravo
What do you think is the best leg lock?
One leg lock.
You're going to teach your students just one leg lock entry and one heel hook.
gordon ryan
What's it going to be?
Well, insofar as...
Breaking mechanics?
eddie bravo
No, like they say they got the breaking mechanics down, and just where the leg's going to be.
Which leg entanglement are you going to choose?
Which one's the best?
Obviously it's not DOA.
It's not outside Ashi.
And not just regular Ashi either.
unidentified
That one's too basic.
gordon ryan
Backside 50-50 is pretty good.
eddie bravo
Right when you go, because I hear from Backside 50-50 coming in from K-Guard, right?
Yeah. I hear, like, from my guys, I'm not, like, the biggest leg locker, but I pay attention to my guys, and they're saying that the entry into backside 50-50 is awesome, but you don't really generally get the tap there.
There's going to be some kind of scramble and some kind of spin.
gordon ryan
You can, but the guy can...
High leg over.
If you trap the far leg, the secondary leg, then you can get finishes belly down with it, which is why it's a good position.
But a good guy is always going to limp leg and strip the grip, which is why I believe that probably the best position...
In terms of not having the guy come forward and crush you or hit you.
And strong, catastrophic breaking mechanics is probably Cross Ashigurami, your guys' honey hole.
eddie bravo
So that's still the best.
gordon ryan
Double trouble.
Yeah. So you feed the one leg across, the legs are split, so you have an Achilles lock here, and then you dig for the heel, and then you go in and lock up.
eddie bravo
It's still the best.
gordon ryan
But my highest percentage finish is that position, but with the leg fed on the outside for the outside heel hook.
eddie bravo
That's like Z-Lock-ish, right?
gordon ryan
Yeah, kind of.
eddie bravo
Because Z-Lock is basically double trouble with the outside heel hook.
Correct. And instead of triangling your legs, stomping on the inside.
gordon ryan
Yeah, you can go foot to foot.
eddie bravo
Is that what you guys call it, foot to foot?
Yeah. That's huge.
That's like a game changer right there.
And that right there, just the straight ankle lock is the most powerful straight ankle lock from that position right there with it on the outside.
gordon ryan
Yeah, that's true.
eddie bravo
Oh no, the secondary leg.
Yeah. That straight ankle lock.
And the Aoki.
gordon ryan
Yeah, Aoki's strong as well.
eddie bravo
How crazy are Aokis?
Aokis are a lot like Dead Orchards, where the first time I seen Aoki, it's from Shinya Aoki, it seemed like he was going for just a straight ankle lock, but dude, I forget his opponent was, but his foot almost slipped out, so it looked like a straight ankle lock that he almost pulled his foot out,
but it got caught and twisted.
gordon ryan
It gives you the rotation.
eddie bravo
Yeah, and everyone thought, maybe not everyone, but I thought, oh, that's one of those freak things.
You don't actually plan for it or set up for it.
It just happens.
Sometimes they pull out of ankle locks.
Sometimes, like an omoplata, sometimes when they try to pull out their omoplata, it gets caught and they tap an armbar.
It's not like you set it up.
It's like a freak thing.
They try to get out, but it got caught, and then they tap.
So that's what I thought the Aoki was.
But it turns out, fuck no.
It seems like the Aoki is top two leg lock finishes.
In the grappling world today.
It's just people get, because it's so good to counter with them, correct?
gordon ryan
Yeah, no, you get good finishes with Aoki's.
joe rogan
What's an Aoki?
eddie bravo
It's an ankle lock, but when they slip their...
Their heel out, it's like you're going for an ankle lock and they almost pull out their leg, and then it turns into a heel hook.
So it's half ankle lock, half heel hook.
Huge. It's like the most powerful shit right now.
gordon ryan
It's not mechanically as strong as a heel hook, though, because when you go for heel hooks, you're physically bridging your hip into the knee.
Yeah. Whereas with Aoki's, the knee is turned out, so you're not bridging into the knee in a way to break it.
Yeah. Whereas with an inverted heel hook, for example, you have a good, strong connection.
You have a good strong connection, but when you go to bridge, you see how he's not bridging into the hip?
Yeah. So with a heel hook, you're bridging directly into the hip.
So it's the full extension of your body into the knee, so the upper leg is pinned through the leg position, and then your gripping position is what's manipulating the foot.
eddie bravo
And scroll down a little bit, Jamie, and look at the guy, that one on the right, the one you had, the big one on the right.
Now we can't see it on the right.
That one right there.
Can you blow that up?
The dude doing the Aoki lock, his right leg the way, I think people are calling that a shadow hook or whatever, Silverado, he's a catch wrestler, Brazilian catch wrestler, showed me that when I was a white belt.
joe rogan
I remember Silverado.
eddie bravo
Remember, he used to do that.
He used to do that.
And I thought, like, ah, this is nothing.
So I never really fucked with it.
But now it's back.
Strong! Like Helena Cravar is doing this exact thing.
This is like her main move.
joe rogan
Silverado had a lot of Gene LaBelle stuff.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it was a catch wrestling thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a lot of that.
gordon ryan
This is a great position because with the guy who's attacking his right leg, usually the guy's trying to peel it off the hip.
Yeah. So when you peel it off the hip, that butterfly hook comes in, and then normally you would throw that left leg.
Over. So now you can't step over.
You can't disengage the legs.
It's easy.
eddie bravo
And dude putting his right leg there, if he put it, traditionally you'd put it on the hip, you could get countered with an Aoki.
So that's huge.
Like a regular Ashi, everyone's like, I got guys that just let dudes put them in Ashi so they could take that foot.
And it's a whole, it's a game changer.
gordon ryan
And also because the right foot is on the inside position, it makes it harder for the guy in defense, the defensive guy, to push forward into you.
It makes it hard for him to come forward.
Because the Aoki, you have to push into the lock, put your foot deeper to boot it.
But the butterfly hook stops it.
The butterfly actually stops you from pushing the foot in deeper.
eddie bravo
I think the first guy to really, really master it was the Polish guy.
What's his name?
He armbarred Gary Tonin, that guy.
What's his name?
Matias Shizinski.
Yeah, Shizinski.
That guy.
gordon ryan
Yeah, everyone talks about him.
I've never trained with him, but apparently he was like...
eddie bravo
He rips through everybody.
gordon ryan
He just been breaking everybody's shit.
eddie bravo
Exactly. And he was doing his legs just like that.
It was the Aoki with that leg entanglement.
We were calling it the Polish Aoki.
And he's a bad motherfucker, man.
gordon ryan
Well, it's difficult because the butterfly hook doesn't allow you to stack.
He doesn't allow you to come forward and push your foot deeper.
eddie bravo
I'd never forget Silverado showing me that as a wipeout.
And I'm thinking, really?
Ken Shamrock puts his leg up here.
How would you do that?
I was like learning shit off Ken Shamrock.
I got into toeholds as a white belt because Ken Shamrock had this instructional where he's in jeans and no shirt.
He's all tanned and yoked.
He looked like a Chippendales guy.
And he's with some Japanese guy.
And he's going over toeholds, like standing over a guy's guard and grabbing the foot and doing a toehold.
And I'm like, whoa, what is he doing with the foot?
And I could never get on.
I've taken down one person my whole life, and that was in wrestling.
I had one wrestling takedown.
I wrestled two years, got one takedown.
Because I was afraid to break my teeth.
Everyone's missing teeth.
I didn't want to shoot.
I go, you shoot and I'll sprawl.
I'm like, you shoot and I'll sprawl.
I got a good front headlock now.
I got a good front headlock.
But I have zero takedowns.
Unless... It's a dude that doesn't wrestle.
I got in a couple street fights here and there.
I was always a pussy growing up.
I was never a tough guy.
But every now and then I wrestled and I never looked at wrestling.
As a martial art, I looked at his pussy fighting.
I go, dude, I'm not a fighter.
No one thinks I'm a fighter.
I don't have a reputation to uphold, but if anybody fucks with me, I'm going to double leg them and just hold them until the principal breaks us up.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
eddie bravo
I was like, dude, I was grounding and pounding in ninth grade.
I would take dudes out.
I fought this one soccer player.
His name was Sesad.
He was talking a lot of shit, and I go, dude, he'll probably kick my ass, but he can't stop my takedown because this dude don't wrestle, so I'd take him down, and I would just get side control and barely punch his stomach.
And wait for someone to pull me off.
I mean, I survived.
And then when I saw Hoist fighting UFC 2, I'm like, you can fight on the ground and not be a pussy?
That's why I joined Jiu Jitsu.
I'm like, oh my god, this is my shit.
I thought fighting on the ground was pussy fighting.
It's accepted and respected.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
eddie bravo
That's what got me into Jiu Jitsu.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Here we go.
eddie bravo
I scheduled this.
I thought it was going to be at 1, and I got to get out of here like in 10 minutes.
joe rogan
Oh, no worries.
Let's see what happens in 10 minutes.
brendan schaub
My flight got pushed, Eddie.
It's at 8 now.
eddie bravo
Oh, it got pushed?
brendan schaub
Uh-huh.
eddie bravo
I got mine is at 7. There you go.
brendan schaub
Make sure it's on time, though.
joe rogan
Bohobich is 42, but it's a Polish 42. That's different genetics, bro.
eddie bravo
Is that older or younger?
joe rogan
Old school Viking genetics.
unidentified
So if you're a Polish 42, are you older or are you younger?
eddie bravo
What do you say?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
Those shoulders are every bit of 42. Yeah, well, we'll see.
We'll see.
Look what happened with Yuri.
Yuri got his shoulders fixed.
brendan schaub
No problem at all.
He looked great.
joe rogan
He looked amazing.
brendan schaub
But then Johnny Walker's shoulders fixed.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a lot of damage, too.
Johnny Walker's been KO'd so many times.
brendan schaub
It's also just such a big jump up in talent for Oberg.
He beat Ozdemir, but before that he really hadn't fought anybody.
joe rogan
Well, this is a world champion.
You're fighting a world champion.
And a guy who's real determined to get back to the belt.
You've got to realize he had a draw with Ankulaev, almost won the title there.
Real close to beating Pereira.
Real close fight.
Beat Izzy.
You know, he's still a monster.
Even though he's 42. Savage.
brendan schaub
And he wins this one.
He's right there.
joe rogan
Hard low kick by Jan.
brendan schaub
He's right there for the title shot.
joe rogan
Yes. Well, he's always the guy that people forget about in this division.
One big win over Olberg.
He's right back in the hunt.
And he would be a logical guy to fight next after Antlaev and Pereira.
brendan schaub
There's a story for either one.
joe rogan
Yeah. Both of them.
brendan schaub
Antlaev majorly because there's a draw.
joe rogan
Yeah. He's fucking dangerous, too.
I mean, that power's the last thing to go, and Jan's got ridiculous power.
Remember that Rockhold KO?
unidentified
Like, jeez.
gordon ryan
Dude, that was like a murder.
joe rogan
Bro, how about the fucking Dominic Reyes one?
gordon ryan
He like rapped to him after he was already down, like with a running start.
joe rogan
Yeah. Boom.
gordon ryan
And hit him with a second punch.
joe rogan
You remember when he kicked Dominic Reyes in the body?
You see his whole foot on Reyes' body?
He's such a hard dude.
Ooh. Solid jab.
brendan schaub
Holbrook definitely has a speed advantage.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
He does, but Bohovic has a massive experience advantage.
Massive. Check that.
And him with a hard low kick, too.
brendan schaub
He has that Rottweiler head.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Remember when he went shin-to-shin with Ankoliov?
Just fucked his legs up?
He's like, let's see who's got the harder shins.
brendan schaub
Him and Ankoliov are just tough fucking humans, man.
joe rogan
There's so many tough guys in this division.
I mean, Yuri would be the champion if it wasn't for Alex.
There's so many good guys.
That Uri fight with Jamal Hill was crazy.
brendan schaub
Racket's no punk either.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
But, you know, Uri KO'd him.
Yeah. Uncle I beat him in a decision in his last fight.
Jan looks good, though.
He doesn't look like he's 42. He looks like a legit contender.
It's just so much experience, you know, and he's so good at pacing himself and staying calm.
brendan schaub
Remember, it's only three rounds, too.
joe rogan
That's true, but that Olberg's first fight was three rounds as well, you know, the Kennedy fight.
I mean, this is a big step up, man.
Big step up.
Oh, high kick.
unidentified
Oh, high kick.
brendan schaub
Oh, they announced Roundtree.
And Hill.
joe rogan
Ooh, when's that?
brendan schaub
I'm not sure.
Soon. Ooh, that's exciting.
That's a great fight.
joe rogan
That is a great fight.
He just went shin to shin with Olberg.
brendan schaub
I bought that Jeep yesterday, and the lady goes, oh, my cousin fights in the UFC.
And usually I'm like, oh, really?
I'm like, who's your cousin?
She's all, uh, Hill?
Jamal Hill?
I'm like, oh, fuck yeah.
She's a badass girl.
joe rogan
April 26th, Kansas City.
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
That Kansas City card's tasty.
Mmm. Yeah, that's a good fight night, finally.
joe rogan
Ooh. Jan's winning the Battle of the Low Kicks.
He's checking Olberg's.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Olberg's not landing, is he?
joe rogan
No. He's landing a few now.
There's a good one.
Shin to Shin.
brendan schaub
Nothing's tastier than that Miami card coming up, though.
joe rogan
Ooh, that Miami card's good.
brendan schaub
That's a fucking treat.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's good.
Yair and Pitbull.
brendan schaub
Ooh. I swear to God, if I have problems with ESPN +, I'm going to lose my shit.
joe rogan
And John Silva versus Bryce.
eddie bravo
Not Pitbull from Bellator.
joe rogan
Yes, I know.
brendan schaub
He's with the UFC now.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
With Yair Rodriguez.
brendan schaub
On the main card.
They bumped up the main card.
joe rogan
They don't have a picture of him.
That's outrageous.
Get a picture.
eddie bravo
Bellator wouldn't send it.
brendan schaub
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Have him pose.
brendan schaub
Take your own pictures.
joe rogan
Have him pose for a picture.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
Take a selfie on your fucking cell phone.
joe rogan
The fuck?
Take your shirt off.
Have your girl done.
unidentified
Send it in.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yeah, we'll black out the background.
Oh, good job by Oberg.
unidentified
I gotta get out.
joe rogan
You leaving, dog?
eddie bravo
You're out?
Love you, man.
unidentified
Love you.
eddie bravo
Thank you, man.
Gordon, great hanging.
gordon ryan
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Thank you.
gordon ryan
See you soon.
joe rogan
Good to see you, my brother.
unidentified
See you, man.
eddie bravo
Love you, too, man.
See you.
joe rogan
See you, buddy.
brendan schaub
Did your son play tomorrow, Eddie?
Yep, I'll be there too.
eddie bravo
I'll see you, man.
joe rogan
See you, brother.
brendan schaub
Bro, I love when I run to Eddie at the baseball fields because he's a vet.
Like, my kid's only nine.
He's been doing it two years, but he's been in it for a thick...
He has everything.
Backpack, water, just the whole tent, the seat.
joe rogan
He loves being a dad.
brendan schaub
Yeah, we always run to each other at the baseball fields.
joe rogan
It's awesome to see.
brendan schaub
Yeah, my kiddos met him for the first time, like two weeks ago.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
brendan schaub
I was like, that's Uncle Eddie!
I'm like, uncle?
Who the fuck's Uncle Eddie?
Right there!
unidentified
It's your uncle.
This is boring ass commercials.
Come on.
eddie bravo
So brutal.
joe rogan
Let's go.
Let's go.
You see, Bare Knuckle Fighting is going to have hockey fights.
They're going to have fights with skates on.
Bare knuckle boxing.
With hockey, skates on.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't know.
Gimmick. There's some weird shit, man.
joe rogan
That's a gimmick.
gordon ryan
They have car jiu-jitsu now.
joe rogan
I've seen that in Russia.
brendan schaub
Bro, you know they offered me and Brian to fight each other in car jiu-jitsu?
joe rogan
Brian Cowan?
unidentified
Yeah. Why would they do that to Brian?
brendan schaub
They didn't pitch me, they pitched Brian.
They go, it'd be really fun for you and Brendan to do car jiu-jitsu.
And Brian goes, like, seriously?
And the guy goes, yeah, would you guys be down to it?
Brian's like, no!
unidentified
He's like, I'm not gonna fucking go and chop and guard shit to him.
joe rogan
You're 100 pounds bigger than him and a black belt.
It's so ridiculous.
brendan schaub
Brian's like, you know what the fuck you do to me with a seatbelt?
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
Yeah. It would be funny.
You'd be talking shit while you tie him up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it'd be funny.
joe rogan
Oh, here we go.
Round two.
brendan schaub
That first round's hard to score, huh?
Yeah. Can I give it to Jan?
joe rogan
I think I can give it to Jan.
Jan looks like you got the best of it.
Ooh. Swing and a miss.
How's that shoulder?
brendan schaub
We'll get a better round from Olberg here because, you know, it's new to him.
He's fighting a vet at this level.
joe rogan
He looks good.
He's a fast motherfucker.
gordon ryan
That takedown feint really got a reaction.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it did.
Big time.
Great feint.
joe rogan
But he's not really a wrestler.
brendan schaub
Fuck, no.
joe rogan
Oh. Jan's looking for bombs.
unidentified
Oh.
brendan schaub
Those leg kicks are going to be a problem if you don't start checking them.
God, remember when Jan fought Izzy?
Yeah. What a nightmare matchup.
joe rogan
Yeah, just too big.
brendan schaub
Too big.
joe rogan
But Izzy also tried to do 205 with no weight gain.
He just tried to weigh with his weight.
gordon ryan
Cut less.
joe rogan
I don't think he'd cut anything.
brendan schaub
I don't think he'd cut.
He just walked up.
joe rogan
190-something.
brendan schaub
But if they would have gave, like, I mean, Grant, do you want to fight for the title?
If they would have given, like, Yuri or someone, that'd be a funner matchup.
joe rogan
Oh, that'd be crazy.
brendan schaub
Yuri, Izzy, it's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's dangerous.
brendan schaub
Fucking Jan.
Well, Jan Watts at 240.
joe rogan
Yuri looks so good in the Jamal Hill fight.
Yeah, he looks good.
He's turned a corner.
He's a different guy now.
brendan schaub
He's one of my favorites.
joe rogan
Oh, one of my favorites for sure.
Guaranteed fireworks, and that guy fights.
Oh, he landed that right hand.
Guaranteed fireworks when Yuri fights.
brendan schaub
Nonstop action.
joe rogan
Just such a fucking warrior.
And so, like, dedicated to the way, you know?
brendan schaub
He's an interesting cat.
Thin for light-heavy.
Oh! Big shot there.
Yawn's starting to land now.
joe rogan
That... Ooh.
That knee-the-body's legit.
Interesting. Olberg favored.
That's interesting.
gordon ryan
It was right off the feint, too.
Feinted the takedown, went right to the collar.
Went right to the tie clench.
joe rogan
Here's a little light around his feet this round.
gordon ryan
He's hitting the legs a lot, too.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
In this round, for sure.
That inside low kick.
brendan schaub
Just slapping them.
When Yon's leg kicks, it's fucking doing damage.
joe rogan
It's thudding.
See that one right there?
That was painful.
brendan schaub
See, it's changing his position?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was painful.
Yeah. That was a hard one.
Well, Jan, you know, had a Muay Thai career before MMA.
He's a legit Muay Thai fighter.
Slightly lighter.
He was, like, fighting at 200, I think.
brendan schaub
Dude, you look into Ankleia's background.
That motherfucker's never lost in anything.
joe rogan
Well, he lost to Paul Craig.
brendan schaub
It's true.
I'm saying before he got to the UFC, you look at his background.
It's like, Jesus.
joe rogan
And even that fight, he was winning that fight.
He just slept on the triangle.
And got wrapped up with like, I think it was like two seconds to go or something crazy like that.
One second to go.
gordon ryan
That's so brutal.
joe rogan
That's so brutal.
Because you know he can hang in for one second.
gordon ryan
Yeah. Especially if you hear the...
joe rogan
Even if you go to sleep.
gordon ryan
If you hear the claps for ten seconds.
Yeah. It's like, just pass out at that point.
joe rogan
It must have been tight.
brendan schaub
Yeah, ride it out, man.
It's like Chael and Anderson.
You're like, what the fuck are you doing?
Dominating for four rounds.
joe rogan
I know.
That's the craziest one.
unidentified
That's wild.
brendan schaub
That's just self-sabotage.
joe rogan
And that's just Anderson coming in with a broken rib.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Olberg definitely seems like he's landing more this round.
But the damaging shots are Bohovich.
brendan schaub
They scored damage, number one.
joe rogan
But, you know, but Olberg is scoring more.
Like, those jabs right there.
Jan's just having a hard time closing the distance.
And this is only round two.
brendan schaub
Damn, it's been, besides that girl fight against Molly, it's been all decisions again.
joe rogan
Well... Molly retired too after that.
Did she?
brendan schaub
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Yeah. There's a certain skill gap you can't bridge.
brendan schaub
There's not enough hours in the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, not enough hours in the day, not enough time in your life.
You're older, you're in your late 30s.
Yeah. I don't know how old she is, but she's in her 30s for sure.
Some of them, they just get to a point.
Jalen Turner was crazy because he said when he beat up Bobby Green after that, he lost his appetite for fighting.
That was that one with a real late stoppage.
That was in Austin.
That was bad.
That was a bad one.
brendan schaub
You say you knew then, right?
It's kind of over.
joe rogan
I don't want to hurt anybody anymore.
I don't want to do that.
brendan schaub
I get it.
joe rogan
I mean, he liked Bobby Green, too.
They were friends.
brendan schaub
I get it.
joe rogan
So to put it on your friend like that, and then all the unnecessary punches, the referee should have stopped that fight quite a bit.
gordon ryan
That was where he was already out, right?
joe rogan
Yeah. He was just getting tagged.
I don't remember who reffed that fight, but that was a bad one.
gordon ryan
Yeah, he was belly down, right?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
gordon ryan
Just getting fucking...
joe rogan
Just hammered.
Just smashed.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Bobby hasn't won a fight since he changed his name to King.
So he's like, fuck that, call me Bobby now.
He's going back to Bobby.
joe rogan
Is he?
brendan schaub
Yeah. For real?
Yeah, he's like, I'm changing back to Bobby.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
He's 0-3 since he changed the King.
joe rogan
That wheel kick?
Wow. Oh my goodness.
Mauricio Rufi is dangerous.
brendan schaub
Bro, trouble.
joe rogan
He's like a giant Conner.
He really is.
He moves like Connery.
He's got that kind of style.
brendan schaub
And that style, cardio-wise, in the third round, you're so explosive, you just can't run at that high gear for three rounds.
joe rogan
It's so fast-twitch-based.
It's not a good style for longevity, unless you're real sparing with your attacks.
And you have to have complete control.
So if a guy mauls you and just comes at you with a lot of combinations and hits you with a pace, it's hard.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they catch up.
You get a grappler, can avoid the big shots.
Then in the third round, you're fucked.
joe rogan
And obviously, that weight class is filled with talent.
There's so much talent there.
brendan schaub
I was discussing one guy, I won't say who it is, he's coming back to the UFC and his buddy's like, he's like, man, what matchup do you think?
He's like, we just need to give him an easy matchup for his first one.
I'm like, buddy, it's 2025 in the UFC.
There's no cakewalks.
There used to be cakewalks.
There was guys like, thank God they gave me him.
There's really not that...
With the Contender Series, it's just full of these young fucking lions that you've never heard of.
joe rogan
Yeah, the guys that have zero fights in the UFC are super fucking dangerous.
That's what's crazy.
Zero fights and they come in at a world-class level.
brendan schaub
And they're like well-rounded at everything.
joe rogan
Especially these motherfuckers from Russia.
Yeah. There's so many Dagestan guys that are coming in and they're like, good lord, they're so dangerous.
brendan schaub
There's no gimme fights anymore.
joe rogan
No. Oberg seems to be outpointing them here.
brendan schaub
He's a little more active.
joe rogan
Yeah, like right there.
brendan schaub
Definitely still speed advantage.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
And Jan hasn't landed any big shots to the head, like the big one that's going to really change the course of the fight.
brendan schaub
No, he looks a little slower.
joe rogan
But he's just dealing with a very tall, fast dude.
brendan schaub
It's going to get weird for Jan.
He loses this one, you're off two years.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
The division in the state it's in, it's tough, man.
joe rogan
Well, we'll see.
There's still three minutes to go.
brendan schaub
How fucking crazy is MMA?
It's like Alec Woganowski, before he lost those two, he was like, there's arguing he's the pound-for-pound number one.
He was on the, like, number two.
And then three months later, he's not even on the list.
Yep. Leon Edwards.
Yep. Before he lost to Bilal, was, I think, number five pound-for-pound.
Now he's not even on the list.
Crazy. He loses this one, you're kind of fucked.
MMA's wild, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm with another good, strong low kick.
But he needs more than that.
He needs some head shots.
He needs to get the judge's attention.
I wonder what the live odds are right now.
brendan schaub
Olberg, for sure.
joe rogan
Gotta be Olberg, right?
Just from a volume perspective.
brendan schaub
Yeah, just active.
joe rogan
He looks like he's gonna spin.
That was close.
He's heavily bladed.
Good left hook right hand.
brendan schaub
Is it?
joe rogan
Interesting. But still, Olberg's favorite.
It's just Jan is having a hard time connecting.
And Olberg's not slowing down.
Olberg's done such a much better job of pacing himself now.
And obviously he's in better condition, too.
brendan schaub
Yes, and his distance.
joe rogan
Like, look, he's never stopped hopping around.
brendan schaub
It's fucking tough to take two years off, then you jump in with a killer as ranked number six, man.
It's not easy.
joe rogan
Especially a young dude, all hungry.
brendan schaub
It's like Gutter Nelson taking two years off and jumping back in.
It's fucking tough, man.
joe rogan
Good kick.
unidentified
Sean Brady's favored.
joe rogan
Is he?
brendan schaub
Yeah, Sean Brady's favorite.
unidentified
Over four and a half rounds is also favorite.
joe rogan
Yes. Interesting.
brendan schaub
Yes, this card has the potential to be, you know, if you're looking for knockouts, this might not be the card for you.
It'd be tough for Brady to stop Leon.
joe rogan
Yeah, very tough.
It's going to be interesting to see how he fares on the feet because Leon's such a technician on the feet.
He's such a sniper.
But he's also going to be super wary about the takedown.
But he's been trying to take people down to kind of like prove a point, like he did with Kamaru.
Yeah. I hope he doesn't try to do that with Sean.
brendan schaub
Bad idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different level.
brendan schaub
And Brady just, it's just like in the fifth round, you look at that Gilbert fight, it's like he had more takedowns in the fifth round.
Like his cardio is insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's very fit.
Holberg seems to be walking away from it.
brendan schaub
Olberg ain't getting a title shot after this one, though.
joe rogan
No. But it puts him in the top.
For sure.
brendan schaub
Yeah, top five.
joe rogan
He just hasn't done anything, like, real spectacular.
brendan schaub
Olberg was aware of Roundtree and Jamal Hill would be fun.
joe rogan
Jan's still pushing, though, man.
He's going after him.
Good low kicks there.
Oh, oh, oh!
Oh, he clipped him with that left hand.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Jan can't get his range.
joe rogan
Good fight.
Solid fight.
brendan schaub
They're just yelling at each other.
unidentified
Fucking warriors.
brendan schaub
Guys being guys.
joe rogan
Yeah. Just a couple of bros.
brendan schaub
Just a couple of bros.
Fist fight and shout at each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think Oberg probably got that decision.
brendan schaub
Yeah. Slight decision.
joe rogan
I'm very interested to see how Sean deals with the stand-up.
You know, because Sean's stand-up has come a long way.
But there's levels.
brendan schaub
Big... Big difference.
But then there's a big difference on the feet, too, right?
So it's all about who and their will, right?
joe rogan
Right. Well, if Sean can get him down early, like Bilal did, it would be a big thing.
And Bilal set the blueprint, constant pressure.
But I do think you have to take into consideration the fact that that was a 5 a.m. fight, which is just nuts.
brendan schaub
It sucks, but you're pros.
You just gotta go, man.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
Everybody in the audience has been drunk since 2 in the morning.
It's tough.
They're all exhausted.
They're fucking filled with beer.
brendan schaub
There's people sleeping.
joe rogan
They were sleeping.
They must be so exhausted.
I can't imagine going to see a fight that the main event starts at 5 in the morning.
I think the main event was like 6 in the morning.
gordon ryan
Yeah, that's rough.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
It's terrible.
Why don't you just do it this way?
Just have the fights on early.
brendan schaub
That was a pay-per-view, right?
Yeah. That's why.
joe rogan
Yeah. But still, have a pay-per-view at 3 in the afternoon.
Who cares?
brendan schaub
I prefer it.
joe rogan
Yeah, who cares?
brendan schaub
It's Saturday.
joe rogan
It's Saturday.
People will still buy it.
They watch football in the day.
True. Why wouldn't they watch a big fight during the day?
Just let them know in advance.
It's 3 p.m. start.
brendan schaub
The only one who complained is Tom Aspinall.
unidentified
The only one who complained is Tom Aspinall.
joe rogan
29-28.
Carlos. Yep.
brendan schaub
Yep. Yeah, it's going to get dicey for you on now.
joe rogan
Good decision.
Yeah, hard road for him.
brendan schaub
It's sports, man.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
I mean, two years off.
Not really a tune-up fight.
Tough fight.
brendan schaub
Fuck. There's no tune-up fights.
That's what I'm saying.
The UFC, there's not much they can do for you anymore.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy, because boxing, I think, has it right.
When a guy hasn't been fighting for a while, give him some fucking...
brendan schaub
Shake off the dust, give him a guy you don't know.
joe rogan
Number 30 guy, right out of Tijuana.
Pop, pop.
brendan schaub
The UFC doesn't have that.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
brendan schaub
Gotta be ready to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they don't have managers that set their fighter up for victory either.
Like on the undercards, now you're going to face a brawler, now you're going to face a short guy, now you're going to face a tall guy.
By the time a guy gets to a championship level in boxing, they've been tried and tested.
It's very systematic.
UFC's not like that.
Did you see the Lamont Roach-Gervonta Davis fight?
brendan schaub
Yes. I had Lamont Roach, didn't you?
joe rogan
Yeah. Well, especially with that knockdown.
That's a real knockdown.
You take a knee, that's a 10-8 round.
brendan schaub
And Gervonta was like, I had something in my eye.
I'm like, I don't give a fuck.
You took a knee?
You know the rules.
joe rogan
That's the rules.
brendan schaub
That's the rules.
Dem the rules.
joe rogan
And they didn't have the replay ready, so they didn't look at the replay.
brendan schaub
Boxing's so corrupt, dude.
joe rogan
That's a little bit.
brendan schaub
But Dana get involved in it.
Might help it.
joe rogan
Perhaps. Or, you know, can't change the tiger stripes.
brendan schaub
Well, you see their pay structure.
It's also far away out from getting done.
Was that pay structure legit, though?
joe rogan
Yeah. Was it legit?
brendan schaub
Yeah. I mean, pretty sure it's legit.
But that actually helps boxing overall.
The top dogs aren't going to eat like they are now with $40, $50 million paydays.
But the middle guys that can grow boxing, that's what it's going to do.
joe rogan
Right, but if you want to get the top guys, you're going to have to pay them.
brendan schaub
Correct. On that pay structure, you ain't getting any of the big fish.
unidentified
Yeah, you're not.
brendan schaub
They're not.
joe rogan
Obviously, they got Canelo to get away from the Jake Paul fight, right?
Canelo was going to fight Jake Paul, which would have been crazy.
Wow. And then they said, no, no, no, no, no.
Turkey came along and said, listen, open up the fucking case from Pulp Fiction.
brendan schaub
Yeah. That dude got all the money, huh?
joe rogan
They got so much money.
They can do whatever they want.
They could just throw money at the sport.
brendan schaub
It's good and bad.
We get the fights you want to see, but that's also, you know...
unidentified
It's good.
brendan schaub
There's some darkness there.
joe rogan
The fights you want to see is what's most important for the fans, and they're putting shit together.
They made Jared Anderson fight Bricoli.
There's a lot of fights that people didn't want.
Which is like Jared Anderson, that was another example.
Young, undefeated heavyweight, on his way up.
And everyone was like, don't take that fight.
You're not ready for that fight.
And then they offered him a pile of loot.
brendan schaub
He don't say less.
joe rogan
And he got beat up.
And then Bacoli getting stopped by Joseph Parker, coming in fat with no notice at all.
brendan schaub
Nothing. It looked like he was totally out of shape.
Something crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, super short notice.
Yeah, crazy.
Crazy fight.
I was looking forward to that fight.
But Boccoli, you gotta give him a camp.
He's not ready.
But Joseph Parker looks really fucking good right now, too.
He's reinvented.
brendan schaub
Do you know him at all?
joe rogan
No. He's awesome.
That's cool.
That Dubois guy, though.
Holy shit, man.
The way he took out Anthony Joshua.
Jake wants to fight Anthony Joshua now?
Said he wants to fight Anthony Joshua in 2026.
brendan schaub
And the haters online are like, yeah, do it!
joe rogan
Well, they're like, what about now?
They're like, what about fight them now?
He's like, no, I want to wait until 2026.
Like, okay.
brendan schaub
Put on weight?
unidentified
Put on all the steroids, every steroid they have.
joe rogan
Snake venom, scorpion venom.
Oh, by the way, Rollo reached out to me, John Rollo, my boy, and he, him and his buddy, Kimo, actually own a company, he was telling me, that sells this blue scorpion shit.
They're involved with a blue scorpion venom company.
He said he gave it to Matt Serra.
It really helped him.
So he wants to hook you up.
Frank Miri says on it.
Shit. Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm already hooked up with it.
joe rogan
He wants to get you some, Jordan.
gordon ryan
I'll have some.
joe rogan
All right.
I'll have him send you some.
gordon ryan
I'll take some too.
joe rogan
We'll see what happens.
I'm going to start slow.
I'm going to find out if I get poisoned.
What the fuck are we doing?
We're drinking.
Venom from Scorpion.
brendan schaub
That is weird.
joe rogan
That's weird.
He's got the dopest tattoos.
brendan schaub
Yeah, his tattoos are good.
joe rogan
Brady, that Japanese on the back.
He's such a fucking gorilla when he gets people to the ground.
Look at the size of his back.
Those muscles in his back.
There's muscles that aren't supposed to be there.
They're so dense.
It's weird when you see him walk.
brendan schaub
That's why he's so fucking strong.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's all back.
It's all squeeze muscles, you know?
brendan schaub
Are you still fucking with the creatine gummies, Joe?
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I love them.
brendan schaub
And do you feel so?
Because I looked into creatine gummies, and I heard when they bake the gummies, it takes away the potency of the creatine.
Yeah. So when you think you're getting five milligrams, you're not.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
I did not know that.
I feel great, though.
But I'm not taking five milligrams.
I'm taking like 30. Yeah, I'm up to 20. I'm taking like 10 gummies at a time.
Yeah. I wonder.
I wonder.
I'll try.
I'll try like regular creatine to see if I feel a difference.
brendan schaub
Yeah, see if it knows the difference.
joe rogan
Because one of the things that's really big is if I have a night where I don't get any sleep.
That's a big factor.
And there's been studies done on improving cognitive performance when you're sleep-deprived with creatine.
Like, no loss in cognitive performance.
brendan schaub
That's wild.
joe rogan
That's wild.
It's like one of the only things that I could even think of.
Because even caffeine, like you're awake, but you're still out of it.
brendan schaub
No, you're still out of it.
joe rogan
A little goofy.
brendan schaub
No, that methylene blue and creatine.
That's all I do, Doug.
joe rogan
And then scorpion venom.
brendan schaub
Scorpion venom.
joe rogan
And then every peptide in the book.
brendan schaub
Name a peptide.
Feel great.
joe rogan
Well, dude, you're crazy strong right now.
That thing that you did where you were holding, what was the amount of weight you were lifting?
brendan schaub
What was that?
joe rogan
The deadlift?
unidentified
315? Where you guys were holding it?
brendan schaub
Who could hold the longest?
It was me, Thor, and my boy, Hooper.
Who's also a strongman.
joe rogan
And how much time did those guys hold it for?
brendan schaub
I think it was like 47 seconds and then Thor was like 58 seconds.
joe rogan
And what'd you get?
brendan schaub
A minute something.
That's nuts.
joe rogan
Nuts. That's nuts that you're technically stronger than the mountain.
unidentified
That's bananas, dude.
joe rogan
Wow. That's crazy strong.
Yeah. You must feel like a fucking beast right now.
brendan schaub
Yeah, pretty beastly.
As long as I'm ready to fight that guy in the plane, I'm like, what'd you say?
That guy.
joe rogan
I gotta use his power for something.
gordon ryan
I did a lift with Mitchell Hooper and Flex Lewis and Dragon Slayer in Vegas, and I was in a camp for something.
One of the strongest I'd ever been, and it was just a complete embarrassment.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Mitchell's a special guy, man.
Because he's one of the strongmen and he has a personality.
He's such a good dude.
gordon ryan
And he's not that big.
brendan schaub
No, he's not preposterous.
I was just sitting down eating food and they asked me to do it.
I didn't even want to do it.
joe rogan
How much does that guy have a fighter's nose?
That nose is flattened and twisted and torqued to the side.
When he's looking at you head on, it's like his nose is taking a hard right.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I wanted to challenge those guys to 225.
That's my shit.
That's why I wanted to challenge them.
joe rogan
Hold 225?
brendan schaub
Bench press 225.
joe rogan
Oh, as many times as possible?
brendan schaub
Because I asked Thor, and he told me his record.
I was like, I beat that a while ago.
And he's like, let's do it right now.
I'm like, right now.
Like, we're in the middle of a photo shoot.
I'm like, I ain't doing it right now.
And I was like, let's wait to after.
But we'll do 225, 315, 225.
And see who can do the most.
And we'll just combine it.
joe rogan
What's his record of 225?
brendan schaub
Oh, I think he said like 30-something.
joe rogan
What can you do?
brendan schaub
40? Really?
gordon ryan
At 225?
joe rogan
That's so crazy!
gordon ryan
That's fucking nuts.
joe rogan
That's so crazy!
gordon ryan
My strongest ever.
I was like 225.
I weighed like 225, and I did 27. That's impressive.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
That's so crazy.
brendan schaub
Every Monday, Wednesday, I do 225.
I usually get at least 20-something the first time.
I do 315 for 5, and I do 225 for again 20-something.
So I go bam, bam, bam every Monday.
joe rogan
But when you max out, you can get to 40. Yeah.
brendan schaub
If I do just one, I can do 40. That's so nuts.
gordon ryan
It's probably almost a 500 pound bench press.
brendan schaub
Pretty close.
But it's all I like to do.
That's my workout.
joe rogan
Just bench?
unidentified
Yeah. I'm such a meathead these days.
brendan schaub
It's bench, deadlift, and pull-ups.
That's all I do.
How many pull-ups can you do?
I usually do like five sets of 20. But like good 20 pull-ups.
joe rogan
Straight arm?
brendan schaub
Straight arm.
Like proper pull-ups.
joe rogan
That's a lot for a big guy.
What do you weigh?
Like 250?
unidentified
That's a lot.
brendan schaub
Like 240 something.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's a lot of weight.
brendan schaub
I'm so fucking strong right now.
joe rogan
That's nuts, dude.
Science is amazing.
brendan schaub
Yeah. I wish I was that strong.
It's the scorpion venom.
joe rogan
It must be.
Look at Leon Edwards.
He looks hyped.
Here we go.
brendan schaub
It's the proper time for Leon 2 right now, you know?
unidentified
Yeah. Here we go.
joe rogan
Well, he probably wants revenge after that Bilal fight.
You know, that was a bad fight for him.
brendan schaub
That was a tough night.
He just didn't seem into it either, right?
Like something was off.
joe rogan
Well, it's fucking five o'clock in the morning.
True. I mean, how?
How? How can you fight at your best when you're up all night?
brendan schaub
But also, he's the champ.
Why wouldn't you set up so the champ's in ideal conditions?
I get it.
If Bilal was the champ coming over there, you're like, he'll fight in London, but it has to be at 5 a.m.
That makes sense.
When you're the champ in your hometown, why the fuck we don't have 5 a.m.?
joe rogan
I don't know.
The whole thing is crazy.
Just the idea of getting people to fight at that time.
brendan schaub
But there's also a lot of X-Factors we don't know behind the scenes.
Like UFC's like, first of all, TV right deal.
Only time we could do it with the broadcast.
joe rogan
But how is that possible?
brendan schaub
Only time we get the arena.
Who knows?
joe rogan
It's ESPN+.
They could just always have it on.
Anytime. But it can't be that easy where the UFC just decides.
brendan schaub
I bet there's some other X-Factors that go into it.
joe rogan
It has to be.
Pay-per-view buys in America are bigger than everywhere else.
It has to be that.
And it has to be the people who are used to buying it at 7 o'clock at night.
Yeah. It has to be.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
But it's even 7 o'clock at night.
That means, you know, when you're on the West Coast, like, the main card doesn't start until 7 p.m.
On the East Coast, it's 10 p.m.
brendan schaub
10. Tough.
joe rogan
10's late.
brendan schaub
Super late.
joe rogan
Yeah, main event is not on until, like, 1.30 sometimes.
brendan schaub
Fuck off.
joe rogan
Yeah. Because sometimes it's a four-hour card.
Yeah. Here we go.
Leon Rocky Edwards.
How old's Leon now?
35? Yeah, it has to be 34, 35. Jamie, how old's Leon?
brendan schaub
Losing his hair in the back?
joe rogan
He's been losing his hair.
He should shave that shit.
33. Wow, okay.
Still on his prime.
32 and 33. Here we go.
gordon ryan
See Bruce Buffer's suit tonight.
No. He's looking fucking snazzy.
joe rogan
He always looks snazzy.
gordon ryan
This is a fucking...
joe rogan
Bruce has the best suits.
He must have a warehouse filled with them, too, because he gets a new one forever.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a sponsor.
gordon ryan
Look at this thing.
joe rogan
Ah, look at that thing.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
Who's better than that guy?
brendan schaub
Can you imagine UFC without Bruce Buffer?
joe rogan
Nope. Like, what the fuck are we going to do?
When you have a main card, I want to see his head looking like a grape.
Yeah. When he's screaming,"It's time!" That's how he's gonna stroke out one day.
He's gonna be like 80 years old someday.
brendan schaub
That's the proper way to go, too.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
On his shield.
Cards go fly in the air.
brendan schaub
Just a slight delay and they just wheel him off.
joe rogan
The whole audience gives it like a fucking 10 count.
brendan schaub
That'd be sick, dude.
gordon ryan
ADCC 2022, he had like another event that he had to do.
And like ADCC, like the scheduling wasn't perfect, so he was a little bit late.
And I was trying to convince Joe to go out.
I'm like, dude, just announce me.
It'll be fine.
joe rogan
I've never announced anybody in a fight.
I've only done it at weigh-ins.
I'd be terrified to fuck someone's name up.
brendan schaub
That's not my cup of tea.
joe rogan
Well, he fucks names up sometimes.
brendan schaub
That's easy.
When he fucks up, I'm like, fuck.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
That's your only job.
Some of those names are fucking hard.
My biggest anxiety at the UFC is getting the names right at the Wayans.
Just like some of them.
brendan schaub
Those undercards when it's like a Dagestanian fighter we're not familiar with?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
It's not happening.
joe rogan
And I have to have the people in the back, they say it to me in my ear.
I'm like, say it again?
And then I write it out phonetically like, Yeah, bro.
You have these weird names.
You have to spell it out the way it sounds.
Because there's like C's and Z's in there that don't make any sense.
Like, what's that doing there?
What's this fucking silent X?
brendan schaub
Kudos to you.
Like, even GFL or Game Bread, like, you want to go in the Octagon or the cage and interview the fight and have to say their name?
Like, it's probably not my cup of tea, man.
Let me look at the roster.
joe rogan
Here we go.
I'm pumped for this one.
Here we fucking go.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's a great fight.
joe rogan
And Leon in London, he's going to be fired up.
brendan schaub
You would hope.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
How could he not be?
The whole audience is going to be for him.
Headshot dead.
Look at me now!
Look at me now!
What a speech that was.
That was one of the greatest moments ever.
That head kick in the fifth round.
Fight he's losing.
And John Anik with the perfect call.
Like John Anik said, he could quit right now, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.
Boom! Head kick.
brendan schaub
And his coach was like, come on, do it now.
unidentified
Come on, Rocky!
joe rogan
Don't let him bully you, son!
brendan schaub
Fuck, dude.
joe rogan
Don't let him bully you!
You ever heard it with the Rocky music?
If you ever feel like you don't want to work out, listen to that.
brendan schaub
Do that, yeah.
joe rogan
You get fired up.
Here we go.
brendan schaub
Sean Brady has so many tattoos.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got no room left.
gordon ryan
Dude, Sean looks way stronger.
joe rogan
Oh, he's gonna be physically stronger.
brendan schaub
Leon's gonna be in for a surprise, because he's like, yo, he's so short.
joe rogan
If that happens, but I mean, you gotta close that distance of danger with this fucking...
brendan schaub
It's also tough on them, because remember, he's supposed to fight JDM, a straight striker.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
Right. He's supposed to fight Jack, and then they switch it.
joe rogan
Well, they gave him some time, right?
How much time did they give him before they switched it?
brendan schaub
Four weeks?
joe rogan
That's it?
Yeah. Yeah, that is different.
brendan schaub
That's tough.
gordon ryan
What happened again in the Balal fight with Sean?
joe rogan
He got beat up.
gordon ryan
He just got beat up.
brendan schaub
He couldn't get him down.
joe rogan
Here we go.
gordon ryan
He couldn't get him down.
brendan schaub
He couldn't get him down.
Balal just beat the brakes off him.
Just defend the takedown and fucked his face up.
joe rogan
Sean looking to put a lot of pressure on him just like Balal did.
I mean, Balal really gave the game plan.
brendan schaub
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Oh, good kick to the body.
Easier said than done, though.
Especially when you're orthodox and you're fighting Leon and he's got that powerful left kick that's opened up.
brendan schaub
And he has a reach advantage.
joe rogan
And he gets that kick to the body a few times.
You're not the same.
Left hand to the body.
And look, he's got his distance down.
He's got his distance down.
brendan schaub
Showing that Philly fade.
joe rogan
This is the difference is the management of the striking distance.
Leon is so good at that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but he has to be super careful in here.
joe rogan
Yeah, because right there.
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck, dude.
joe rogan
The counters.
They're so crisp, and there's no fat in them, no wasted movement, straight down the pipe.
brendan schaub
If you're Brady, you can't go for the takedown too early, because that's what Leon's expecting.
joe rogan
He's got to open something up.
But he can't stay on the outside.
brendan schaub
You know what the difference is?
Bilal got his respect on the feet, and then started laying takedowns, if you remember.
joe rogan
Sean just landed a left hook there, and now they're in a clinch.
brendan schaub
Because it's going to be tough to beat Leon if you're just straight grappling.
joe rogan
This is interesting that Leon's choosing to clinch with him.
Nice knee to the body by Leon.
He is, man.
I was surprised when he took Kamaru down.
His grappling is no fucking joke.
And remember, in the last round, he got on top of Bilal and was smashing him with elbows.
Remember that?
Cut him open.
Just a little too late.
brendan schaub
But if you remember that Bilal fight, I've watched it a few times.
Bilal was landing like a motherfucker on the feet.
joe rogan
Yes, and constant pressure.
brendan schaub
A lot of pressure, constant, got his respect on the feet, and then it opened up the takedown.
joe rogan
Sean's already cut.
cut on the left eye yeah
It's just interesting that Leon is allowing the clinch.
I'm surprised.
gordon ryan
Well, he's stuffing that underhook pretty good with that thigh pry.
joe rogan
I just would think that...
Oh! Nice combination!
brendan schaub
That's what you gotta do.
You gotta earn the respect and then the takedown will be there.
Yeah. Yeah, it's too good.
His takedown offense is too good just to shoot.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a nice combination by Sean.
brendan schaub
That's great.
joe rogan
And this is five rounds, son.
brendan schaub
Yes, sir.
Oh, fuck.
unidentified
good combination
brendan schaub
They usually always have Paddy on these London cards, but he's on that Miami card.
Save him for Miami.
joe rogan
Bro, that's a crazy fight.
Him and Chandler?
brendan schaub
So interesting.
joe rogan
That should be bananas.
brendan schaub
I love Paddy.
I love Chandler, too.
joe rogan
I'm surprised at how big Paddy is.
Like, when he fought Bobby Green, I was like, Jesus.
brendan schaub
He's massive, dude.
He's so big for 55. The UFC brought him up right.
They brought him up the right way.
joe rogan
Oh, Leon caught him with the left hand there.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he did.
gordon ryan
Leon's making it hard in the clinch.
He's putting that hand super deep in the thigh, so Brady's underhook doesn't really have the ability to do anything.
joe rogan
And those knees to the body are nice.
There's a nice straight left boat.
gordon ryan
Like, Brady's got to get him in the clinch and get the underhook and immediately move him around with it.
Otherwise, he's not going to make anything happen with it.
joe rogan
And so far, no attempt at all at shooting.
Like, even in these positions, he's not...
Okay, now he is.
brendan schaub
This is where strength is going to be the difference.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's see if he can do something here.
Yeah, because his strength is fucking beastly.
Look at the back on that motherfucker.
I mean, Jesus Christ.
It's like he's got a tumor.
brendan schaub
And what is he?
He's like 5'7"?
joe rogan
5'10"?
No. Yeah, he's 5'10".
gordon ryan
I think he's 5'10".
Leon is 6'2".
joe rogan
Yeah. Where does Sean walk around at?
He's got to be 200+.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's a big fucking bull.
joe rogan
I was listed at 5'9".
Really? It said 5'10"?
Leon's 6'0".
unidentified
No. Leon is taller than that.
brendan schaub
I bet you Sean Brady's...
gordon ryan
He definitely said 6'2 for Leon.
brendan schaub
Yeah. I bet you Sean Brady in person is 5'8, 5'7.
joe rogan
I was 6'4 in my basketball programs, too.
gordon ryan
Nice. Definitely not.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
Takedown. Here we go.
gordon ryan
He's flat.
joe rogan
No time, though.
Very little time.
gordon ryan
Very little time.
joe rogan
But at least he's on top.
brendan schaub
Wins in the round, though, doesn't he?
joe rogan
Depends. If he can get off some shots.
It's definitely...
brendan schaub
It'd be the most action, really.
And he landed on the feet a little more.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
That's probably one round for Brady.
Man, I'd like to see that takedown landed earlier, see him set that up.
joe rogan
But at least we got a takedown by Brady early, too.
Let's see.
Three to go.
What commercials are you getting, Jamie?
unidentified
I have the same ZipRecruiter commercial.
I keep showing it to me.
joe rogan
Oh, this isn't a ZipRecruiter.
unidentified
Let's keep getting the same three or four commercials.
joe rogan
Power Whacker, Weed Whacker.
Lawn... Fucking...
brendan schaub
Equipment. You never see any good car commercials anymore.
There's nothing dope out there.
joe rogan
A good commercial?
brendan schaub
Yeah, for the cars.
joe rogan
Look at them breathing heavy, man.
gordon ryan
Dude, they used to have commercials of, like, Ford carrying, like, Chevys.
Yeah, it was cool.
Like, up a mountain.
brendan schaub
Like, strapped to the back of them.
They're, like, talking shit.
Yeah. You don't really see it anymore.
They got all friendly.
joe rogan
Ooh. That was a good combination.
brendan schaub
Three-piece soda there.
joe rogan
Oh, it was a trip.
Yeah. Interesting.
unidentified
Nice to say.
Here we go.
Here we go.
joe rogan
Round two.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's going down.
joe rogan
Oh, immediately.
brendan schaub
Wow, that was dope.
gordon ryan
That was nice.
brendan schaub
Good on Leon.
gordon ryan
Could suck him back here.
You can suck him back and pull him between his knees.
joe rogan
This is a good sign that he can get this clinch early in the second like this.
brendan schaub
That was a great takedown.
unidentified
He drags him down.
Interesting. Nice job by Brady.
joe rogan
Nice. Nice.
gordon ryan
Good transition.
joe rogan
Heavy top pressure.
gordon ryan
Needs a tight waist.
Needs a strong tight waist.
brendan schaub
Leon's in trouble.
joe rogan
He's got the back.
brendan schaub
Yep. Got his whole fucking legs tatted, front and back.
joe rogan
Everything. Goddamn.
gordon ryan
His whole asshole.
He should be attacking the neck with his right hand so he can put the second hook in.
He needs to control.
unidentified
There you go.
brendan schaub
There's a lot of time, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of time.
That's definitely a high discrepancy you can see on the...
That's more than two inches for sure.
Yeah, well, one of them could have no shoes on too, though.
gordon ryan
Yeah, well, I mean 5'10 to 6'2 is 4 inches.
joe rogan
Got the back.
brendan schaub
But even on the ground, we're below Leon Lenz.
He survives down there.
He's tough to put away.
joe rogan
He's landing some hard shots.
gordon ryan
Well, Leon's doing a good job of stopping him from locking the body triangle.
joe rogan
Here he's got it.
gordon ryan
He's got it, but now he's got the outside triangle.
Now this is going to be an issue.
brendan schaub
Now he's in trouble.
gordon ryan
Leon keeps trying to turn belly down.
Sean should just take him belly down and hit him.
joe rogan
Yeah. It's also such a brutal thing on your spine, belly down, with that body triangle.
gordon ryan
It's exhausting.
brendan schaub
Again, three minutes of this.
gordon ryan
There you go.
Take him belly down and hit him.
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
He's going to let him go.
gordon ryan
Or come up to mount and hit him.
joe rogan
Yeah, Leon keeps trying to go belly down, which is kind of crazy.
Oh, these are hard shots, man.
gordon ryan
Well, he can go for a rolling escape, but...
joe rogan
When you're a strong dude like that, you can land some powerful strikes from a short distance like this.
Like, these are not fun.
brendan schaub
170's going to be interesting, though, because Shafkot's out with injury.
joe rogan
Is he?
Yeah. What happened?
brendan schaub
I forget exactly what it is, but he's not coming back soon soon.
Oh, you have Makachev, you have Bilal, and then Brady with a win over a fucking number one contender.
joe rogan
This is a big round right here.
gordon ryan
If these guys could just figure out how to trap hands from the back, they'd be so much more effective.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Look at this.
gordon ryan
He's going to get up.
He's going to at least get up to Turtle.
Maybe not.
That was just Leon's.
Leon could have got up easy from there.
brendan schaub
He should have kept going.
gordon ryan
Yeah. Because Brady's left knee wasn't controlling Leon's right hip.
So there's nothing stopping him from going belly down from there.
brendan schaub
He's going to try and isolate that arm?
gordon ryan
He just gave up.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's going to look for a Kimura.
He's going to look for a Kimura.
He's going to look for that hand.
brendan schaub
Here it goes.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
gordon ryan
And his legs are open.
joe rogan
You're allowed to grab your shorts.
Isn't that kind of crazy?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I know.
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
That's the only reason to have shorts.
Tights are so much better because they can't grab you.
brendan schaub
Way better.
gordon ryan
Leon should be inserting a butterfly hook here and looking to off-balance him out of that Kimura.
brendan schaub
With his right foot?
gordon ryan
With his right foot, yeah.
joe rogan
He's still got time.
He's still got time.
brendan schaub
He has a minute left.
gordon ryan
Brady should be using it to pass.
joe rogan
Yeah. Yep.
gordon ryan
Like, play a dilemma between the Kimura and the pass.
That way you can do damage.
joe rogan
He wants to lock it up.
Here it is.
brendan schaub
Oh, there it goes.
Does he have to pass here?
gordon ryan
Oh. He lost it.
But now I gave him the underhook.
So now he should go back to a crossface.
There he goes.
But he gave up the underhook.
joe rogan
Now he's in mount.
Full back.
gordon ryan
Now he should flatten him out.
brendan schaub
Flatten him out and punch.
Yeah. Unless he gives you the neck.
joe rogan
This is big.
This is big.
brendan schaub
Boy, he's eating his ass up.
joe rogan
He's chewing him up on the ground.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's fucking...
joe rogan
This is the thing, man.
People, they underestimate how fucking powerful this guy is on the ground and how good.
brendan schaub
And he can do this for five rounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, Leon's in trouble.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
He's in trouble.
gordon ryan
Well, it's actually worse now because now Leon's actually carrying his body weight.
Yep. The first half of the round, he wasn't carrying Sean's body weight.
Right. Now this is more exhausting than having your back taken.
joe rogan
And he's just getting brutalized the whole round.
The whole round, exhausted.
And he came into that round breathing heavy.
And now he's just gotten brutalized for the entire second round.
gordon ryan
He's going to be a lot more tired going into the third.
joe rogan
Brady is a real contender.
Real contender, kids.
To do that to Leon Edwards is fucking huge.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that loss to Bilal.
Everyone writes these guys off.
I'm like, nah, it's the best thing you can have with these guys.
joe rogan
Where's this guy?
Don't let him bully your rock.
brendan schaub
The older guy.
joe rogan
Where is he?
Is he back there?
brendan schaub
Or did he fire him?
joe rogan
No! Yeah.
No way.
brendan schaub
Maybe that guy's busy.
joe rogan
Taught of him yelling at me.
unidentified
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
No way.
Oh, there he is.
There he is.
brendan schaub
There he is.
Yeah, he's the man.
joe rogan
Is that him?
brendan schaub
No. I'd say I'm in it in the back right.
Not looking great for Leon.
But Leon's ass.
He'll pull it out, though.
He'll surprise you.
joe rogan
He's pulled things out before.
That's for damn sure.
The Kamaru Usman fight.
brendan schaub
He just doesn't seem excited to be in there.
joe rogan
Well, he got mauled.
I mean, he got mauled that round.
brendan schaub
Even before that.
Come on, buddy.
joe rogan
I don't think it's exciting.
I think he's fighting a fucking animal, man.
You underestimate this guy and say he's too little, and then you get in there with him, and you're like, oh, Jesus.
brendan schaub
Yeah. He's a baby gorilla.
joe rogan
Nice kick to the body.
brendan schaub
Throwing kicks and shit now.
unidentified
Another nice kick to the body.
joe rogan
That's the thing about that southpaw orthodox stance.
It just opens up that power kick from the outside on both guys.
Oh, nice uppercut by Leon.
brendan schaub
That was bad by Brady.
Bad entry.
joe rogan
Oh, another one.
Good shot.
He hurt him.
He hurt him with that one.
brendan schaub
That was a big shot.
Clipped him.
joe rogan
There's the shot again.
Oh, stuff.
Nice. Nice by Leon.
gordon ryan
That was a long-range shot, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little desperado there.
I think he got hurt.
brendan schaub
He got clipped, right?
joe rogan
And I think you realize, like, hey, this is not a good spot for me to be in.
Excitement. Oh, look at Leon shoots.
That's crazy.
That doesn't make sense.
brendan schaub
No. Horrible idea.
unidentified
Yeah, look at this.
gordon ryan
Go behind.
brendan schaub
Drag him down.
gordon ryan
Nice. He's got to block the elbow if he's going to go behind, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is the problem.
gordon ryan
Go for a drag.
joe rogan
Level of grappling.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, guillotine.
brendan schaub
Nope. He's just using it.
gordon ryan
Yeah. They got him on top.
joe rogan
Back, same position.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Leon, you were doing so well and you shot, dog?
Crazy. Terrible idea.
joe rogan
I mean, just trying to prove a point, I think.
gordon ryan
If Brady pushes that knee down, he'll be in three-quarter mount.
joe rogan
Wow! Full mount.
brendan schaub
Sweet. With three minutes to go.
Three and a half minutes.
joe rogan
This is terrible.
Awful. Especially after that second round where he just dominated him on the ground.
The level of grappling is just so significant.
There's such a difference.
And physical strength.
I mean, Sean is just such a fucking ape.
Oh! Oh, these are bad.
These are bad.
Oh. Those are huge shots.
gordon ryan
This should break him to a hip.
Brady should be pulling him down to a hip.
brendan schaub
To one hip, one side?
gordon ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
It takes away the explosive ability to get up.
joe rogan
It's almost like he's daring him to try to get up.
gordon ryan
Yeah. He's behind the elbows.
I mean, Khabib would do that.
Khabib would just let guys up and...
Yeah....carrying body weight the whole time.
brendan schaub
Keep raking him.
gordon ryan
We see how he's...
Birdie's doing a pretty good job of keeping his knees off the floor.
joe rogan
Keeping the weight on him.
Yeah. Yeah.
brendan schaub
Exhausting for Leon.
gordon ryan
Yeah. This is incredibly tiring.
joe rogan
Yeah. And no moments of success.
No. Like on the ground, no moments of success.
Zero. It's all being dominated.
brendan schaub
There's no sunshine down there.
joe rogan
And slightly escaping to another bad position.
brendan schaub
And he kind of put himself in there with that shitty shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, he totally put himself in here.
And he was landing shots on the feet.
unidentified
I know.
brendan schaub
He had them wobbled.
joe rogan
But hey, we're still only in the third.
True. He's just gotta avoid this at all costs.
Like, now you know.
No more fucking around with all this.
brendan schaub
No, his team should be like, don't, dude.
joe rogan
Like, he's clearly down at least two rounds.
brendan schaub
Holy shit.
Those numbers are bad.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, maybe three rounds, right?
Like, what about the first?
brendan schaub
Oh, he's down three rounds.
Yeah. Yeah, this one's not even close.
joe rogan
Sean's just so dominant on the ground.
brendan schaub
You just want to see how Sean does against, like, Makachev or Shafkot, like another grappler who can strike and defend the takedowns.
That'd be his big test.
gordon ryan
Put him two hooks in.
joe rogan
Oh. Oh.
Leon's getting beaten up, man.
I mean, he just can't escape.
gordon ryan
Spread the knees out.
Flatten him out.
brendan schaub
There he goes.
joe rogan
Flatten him out.
Oh, oh, oh.
gordon ryan
Flatten him again.
Keep flutting him.
joe rogan
Goddamn, this is domination.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's not even a fight.
gordon ryan
Leon keeps trying to stand up headfirst.
He should be trying to four-point out of here.
joe rogan
Leon's just getting fucking hammered.
How many clean shots has he landed?
My God.
I mean, it's just constant.
Bang, bang, bang.
unidentified
The crowd's like, Goddamn it.
joe rogan
Oh, even from here.
unidentified
he's generating some power from here
joe rogan
Not a lot of time.
brendan schaub
Let's go for a choke here.
joe rogan
Maybe he goes for an armbar.
brendan schaub
Yeah, let's go for something.
joe rogan
I mean, he hears the claps.
Grab a hold of that fucking right arm.
brendan schaub
Leon's just waiting it out.
joe rogan
Sean's doing it too.
Sean's taking some big deep breaths here.
brendan schaub
He's tired from beating his ass.
He's exhausted from beating the shit out of him.
joe rogan
Domination by Sean.
I mean, Leon's got to probably stop him or get some 10-8 rounds.
That was a crazy bad shot.
unidentified
Crazy shot.
joe rogan
And just not a good decision to make against this guy.
brendan schaub
Early in the round.
joe rogan
And then he's eating just hammers.
unidentified
Don't let him bully a rock.
brendan schaub
I mean, if you're the corner, don't get taken down.
I don't know what the fuck to tell you, man.
gordon ryan
Well, he's doing a good job stopping the takedowns in the clench.
Yes. But when he gets shot on...
brendan schaub
Then ran to the cage.
joe rogan
Yeah. Dean Thomas in the fucking house.
brendan schaub
Love Dean Thomas.
joe rogan
He's awesome Okay.
unidentified
We just have a good, good shot.
brendan schaub
If Leon didn't pull off that last second KO against Kamaru, you would never think he has a fucking shot.
But because he's done that, we're all like, you never know, dude.
You never know.
joe rogan
It starts standing, and he landed shots in the second and the third.
He's just got to not let him take him down.
He looks good, though.
He doesn't look exhausted.
brendan schaub
Yeah, no.
But even Kamaru didn't beat him up like this.
joe rogan
No. Nor did Bilal.
unidentified
No. I think Sean's on another level now.
joe rogan
You know?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that loss.
unidentified
He really...
joe rogan
Like, he really talked heavily with me about his mental coaching and how much of an effect it had on...
brendan schaub
Oh, did you have him in here?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. I forget his coach.
Do you remember his coach?
brendan schaub
His mental coach?
joe rogan
Yeah. Jamie, can you find it?
Because that guy's very good.
I've watched some of his stuff online.
brendan schaub
What's the guy's background?
Do you know?
joe rogan
I do not...
Oh, good elbow by Sean.
Oh, Sean's teeing him up on the feet now.
brendan schaub
That's trouble.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
brendan schaub
Sean just can't get...
Oh, there you go.
joe rogan
There's a shot.
brendan schaub
Good shot.
gordon ryan
What kind of mental coaching did he do?
joe rogan
Well, you know, I'd have to have him explain it.
I don't want to butcher it, but it was all about strategies to keep him focused and on track.
Brian Cain as his mental coach.
Brian Cain, peak performance.
Affirmation training, developing custom affirmations to enforce positive talk, build confidence, mind control techniques.
I mean, sometimes fighters just need a framework.
That they keep with them in a fight, so if something goes sideways, they can get back on track.
brendan schaub
Yeah, something to get you back to home base.
joe rogan
Yeah, because sometimes fighters just lose their train of thought, they lose their focus, they get into a downward spiral in their head, and then they find themselves not...
He's going for the guillotine.
Look at this, look at this.
One hand, one arm guillotine.
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
gordon ryan
He'll need to mount him, which he has.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, he's about to tap.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, he's got the hands now.
brendan schaub
Oh, now he's fucked.
joe rogan
He tapped!
He tapped!
unidentified
Wow! Sean fucking Brady.
joe rogan
Woo! Holy shit, what a performance.
brendan schaub
Dude, shutout.
joe rogan
What a performance.
Shutout against one of the best of all time in the division.
Former champion, beats his ass, and submits him.
brendan schaub
I wonder what he's asking Dana for here.
gordon ryan
Wow. That was impressive.
brendan schaub
But it makes sense Brady would hire a mental coach of that, because remember, he's undefeated, never lost, and when you get your ass handed to you, you're like, oh fuck, I'm not the end-all be-all.
joe rogan
When is Bilal fighting Jack?
brendan schaub
Is that two months?
joe rogan
Is that two months?
Yeah. Where's that at?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
See if Jamie can find it.
Fucking unbelievable, man.
I'm super impressed.
unidentified
Montreal, UFC 315, May 10th.
joe rogan
Wow. I won't do that.
I don't go to Canada anymore.
I don't.
brendan schaub
No, nor should you.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
brendan schaub
No, discipline them.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'd rather go to Russia.
brendan schaub
Yeah, fuck yeah.
Hell yeah.
gordon ryan
When they become the U.S., you never know.
joe rogan
That's never going to happen.
That's so crazy to ask them to be the 51st date.
I had a conversation with Trump about it.
He goes, I started calling him Governor Trudeau just for fun, and a lot of people were saying it's a good idea.
I'm like, maybe it is a good idea.
brendan schaub
A lot of people say it.
joe rogan
Look at this fucking squeeze, man.
brendan schaub
Did you ever work with a mental coach, Gordon?
No. You seem pretty mentally fucking strong.
gordon ryan
No. I believe that confidence is built in the gym.
brendan schaub
Through training, yeah.
gordon ryan
If you hit an armbar 10 times out of 10 times in training, you're pretty confident that it's going to work.
But if you don't hit it in training, why would you be confident?
joe rogan
Moments in your past where you had a lapse of concentration and then you realized never do that again?
gordon ryan
Yes. I'm pretty good at analyzing mistakes and then fixing them.
Coming up, I would be super hot and cold.
I would beat a lot of guys and then I'd have one disastrous match at Purple Belt or something or Brown Belt.
Everyone was always like, you're Tom or friends.
Beat everyone up in the gym.
You can't translate it to the mat.
I was like, I don't know, man.
I feel like eventually I'm going to get good and then I'll be good everywhere and no one will be able to beat me in any position.
And then kind of just going through the reps in the gym and got to a point where I was beating everyone from every position.
joe rogan
So just you accelerated your skill set so far beyond that you just were so confident that you didn't need to...
gordon ryan
Yeah, but I mean, there definitely is the it factor that you can't really put your finger on.
Most guys, even at the highest levels, if you give them the reason to quit, they'll quit.
You can be as technically sound as you want.
Even guys who are super good technically, and you see a lot of jiu-jitsu who are super good technically, if they just get pushed hard and they don't have success early on, they either crush a guy in the first five minutes or...
Or they lose the match.
joe rogan
Well, that's why you like those no-time-limit fights, right?
Like the Felipe fight?
gordon ryan
Yeah. I think I'm a lot stronger mentally than everyone I compete against, but also it's a big physical factor because of the fact that when you have like a 30-minute match, for example, the most important thing is the work rate.
So it doesn't matter how good your cardio is, like how high your VO2 max is, if you're working twice as hard as I am...
You're going to get tired faster than I am.
Because I'm so much more technical, because the gap in skill is so big between me and the next best guy, their work rate is always three, four, five times as high as mine.
joe rogan
They have to explode, they have to move quickly.
gordon ryan
So it doesn't matter how good your cardio is.
If I ran a mile, it wouldn't be impressive.
But because I'm so much more efficient, the work rate is so much higher for my opponents that they just fatigue a lot faster.
joe rogan
Gangster. Crazy.
Yeah, crazy.
And it's crazy, too, that you lay out the blueprint of what to do.
Train 365 days a year, constantly study, constantly go over positions, constantly drill things, constantly improve upon techniques, and then you put the techniques out.
And you put them out in instructionals, and people still can't fuck with it.
gordon ryan
Well, that's what everyone always talks about.
Everybody always talks about hard work.
But the hardest work is mental work.
Like, there's a reason why guys on Wall Street make more money than guys who dig ditches.
Because they work harder.
Like, it's...
It's not just physical.
Everyone has no problem coming in, getting a sweat, going home, being sore, stuff like that.
But if you ask them to sit down and watch an hour's worth of instruction every night from a Gordon Ryan instructional, which is proven to work in competition, nobody wants to do that.
brendan schaub
They can't do it.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
You can give them the tools, but they won't build the house.
gordon ryan
I have like 40 instructionals.
Hundreds of hours worth of instructionals that I do, and I've referenced matches that I hit this exact technique in, in competition at world level, and just no one's picked up on it.
joe rogan
No one?
No one at all?
gordon ryan
They kind of just, like, grab stuff, like they see me do, like, a move, and they kind of just, like, get the basics of it, but no one's really, like, in-depth studied it and, like, been able to perform the moves in competition.
It's, like, embarrassing for the sport.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
It's so interesting that the thing that you would need is just a work ethic.
gordon ryan
Like, everyone's just like, oh, it's just like a big juice head.
And I'm just like, okay, guys.
This makes my job easier.
I'm glad that we all are agreeing on this.
Because it just makes my job so much easier.
brendan schaub
But the stuff he's talking about also isn't exciting, you know?
Right. You gotta be super disciplined.
joe rogan
Yeah. That's the thing.
gordon ryan
But, like, what wins wars is technology and information.
Usually a country with more technology, more access to technology and information is going to be able to win a war.
It's the same thing for fighting.
If you know more, most of the time you're going to be able to win more.
I'm beating these guys because I know more than they do.
Everybody's tough.
Everybody's strong.
Even the best guys in the world are super inconsistent.
They'll win two, they'll lose one, they'll win four, they'll lose two.
But when you know more than everyone in every given position, it's pretty easy.
joe rogan
What's going on?
You were telling me your stomach's getting better now?
gordon ryan
I can eat a little bit more.
I'm eating better meals, but training hard is still tough.
Whenever my heart rate gets super high, I start to get like...
Tired from a hard session, I still get super nauseous.
joe rogan
I can't believe no one has found a solution to that.
brendan schaub
That's wild.
joe rogan
Have you run your blood work through chat GPT?
Have you done any of that?
gordon ryan
The chat GPT thing, I've got to do that.
You talked to me about that the other day.
But doctors know more about space.
We know more about space than we do the stomach.
And my issues in the small intestine...
Which is like the hardest one to treat because like they can look at your stomach with an endoscopy and they can look at your large intestine with a colonoscopy.
But to like figure out what the fuck's going on in your small intestine is like a completely...
Like they just can't...
They can't scope it until it's hard.
joe rogan
It's crazy that it all comes from antibiotics.
gordon ryan
Oh yeah.
Antibiotics fucked my life up way more than...
Anything else I've ever done to myself.
That's so crazy.
By far, yeah.
joe rogan
But you're not supposed to do them the way you did them, right?
You're not supposed to take antibiotics for a year.
gordon ryan
Well, so, it was like, so if you get staph and you don't treat it, it just spreads and you die.
Yeah. So it was like, I got caught in this cycle where it was like, I got staph, I took antibiotics, and then I'd be good for two days, got staph, took antibiotics, got staph, took antibiotics, got staph.
So it was just like, I'd have like three days of training, and then I would just get staph again.
Once my stomach started to get affected and my immune system wasn't as strong, my body was trying to fix my stomach, and then I would get staph because my immune system wasn't as strong.
So then I'd take antibiotics, and then that would destroy my stomach, make my immune system weaker, and then I'd get staph again.
So I just got caught in this cycle, and I'm sitting there like, I'm not a pussy.
I'm not going to stop training.
So it was just me training the whole time, regardless of what was going on.
Like, I would not train when I had the staph, but I wasn't going to, like, Take time off and, like, try to deal with my stomach.
I was just like, fucking gotta keep eating next month.
joe rogan
Goddamn. Mental toughness can sometimes fuck you up.
Yeah. Have you ever thought about trying, like, a long fast?
gordon ryan
Um, I mean, I've been forced into, like, two-week fasts.
Like, two weeks?
Yeah, like, yeah, like, pretty much, like, not eating hardly anything.
I was actually, before I fought Roberto Gymnast, that one time I called the armbar.
I was in the hospital, like, two days before that, getting IVs, because I just hadn't eaten in, like, a week and a half, two weeks.
Whoa. Just, like, couldn't eat anything.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So, obviously, then, that's not going to cure it.
gordon ryan
No. And the problem is, is, like, everything is trial and error.
So it's like, oh, try this for eight weeks.
Fucking eight weeks is a long time.
And you can try it.
And you can't, like, do everything at one time, because then you don't know, like you said.
I just threw everything at it.
I don't know what's actually making me feel good.
You have to add one thing and take away one thing at a time.
joe rogan
What about your diet?
Has anything helped in that regard?
gordon ryan
I couldn't even eat red meat for a long time.
Everyone was suggesting carnivore, but my stomach just wouldn't digest it.
Fast food screws me up.
Steaks sometimes still mess me up.
Spicy food I can't do.
Light chicken and rice, eggs.
joe rogan
So very bland.
brendan schaub
Crazy. What a fucking disaster.
joe rogan
Crazy that you're still able to operate at such a high level with such a giant fucking problem that would really end most people's careers.
gordon ryan
It is what it is.
Everybody's got their issues.
joe rogan
I know, but I just can't imagine that with all the resources of the world that someone hasn't reached out to that solution.
brendan schaub
It's a tummy ache, man.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, isn't it kind of crazy that you think that no one, there's not one guy out there in Australia or some shit?
brendan schaub
Let's figure it out.
joe rogan
Let's figure it out.
gordon ryan
It's that same issue?
Yeah. Well, I mean, the first time I came on this show, a ton of people reached out.
I finally found that guy who, like, first of all, when you go to a normal GI doctor, like, the guy in California did tests that none of the other GI doctors even know exist.
And I'm like, I don't know how that's possible.
Like, if you ask me a question in jiu-jitsu, it's like...
X, Y, Z. Whereas, like, you go to one doctor, and there's no idea what the other tests were that I got ran on me by another doctor, which is just so insane.
So this one guy actually ran tests, and he was like, oh, all these things are wrong with you, and now it's a question of how can we treat them.
But, like, most of the doctors I went to, like all the best doctors in the U.S., just did, like, an endoscopy, like some basic blood work, and they're like, oh, you're fine.
I'm like, I'm definitely not fine.
joe rogan
So this other doctor that said, this is what's wrong with you, what was his solution?
gordon ryan
Well, it's just a bunch of things.
I mean, I could sit here and list for five minutes of things that are wrong with me, but it was like we're going to do a lot of holistic stuff, like over-the-counter stuff, like binders to deal with mold poisoning, toxic issues,
and then a lot of...
Like probiotics, prescription antifungals, like just a combination of stuff.
Like glute shields, like you just drink it and it coats the lining of your esophagus in your stomach.
Because my big issue is with the small intestine where the food and bile back up into the stomach and it just sits there because the small intestines are so infected.
joe rogan
And that's what makes you nauseous?
gordon ryan
Yeah, so it's like you eat food, you get full fast, and the food just sits in your stomach and just like...
Rots in your stomach.
It doesn't filter down.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
gordon ryan
Damn. It's great.
joe rogan
Fun times.
gordon ryan
It's basically like being seasick 24-7.
joe rogan
And what is your thoughts on competing again?
gordon ryan
Well, right now we're just trying to open up this school.
So I've been trying to open up this damn school for like two years up in North Austin.
So once I get...
We're like right at the tail end of getting that open.
So once we get that open and up and running, then I'll jump back in if I'm healthy.
joe rogan
And there's nothing you can do differently than what you're doing now.
gordon ryan
I mean, I do follow-ups with the guy.
So, for example, it keeps evolving.
So, like, they got that fungal issue they think under control.
But because the fungal issue in the small intestines now is resolved, or mostly resolved, they think, the lining of the intestines is so inflamed, like a scar, basically, that you have mast cells underneath your...
Underneath your intestinal wall.
So they're like garbage bags.
So when food or stomach acid leaks through the intestinal wall and hits the mast cells, they shoot histamines back up to try to prevent it from leaking into your bloodstream.
So every time I eat food, I just get this adrenaline, adrenal response, because they just shoot histamines back up from under my intestinal walls back into my intestines, and
it just sends my body into a state of shock.
So when it was really bad, every time I eat a meal, my heart rate would go up to 150.
sit there for like 30 minutes and then like your heart rate goes up and your digestive system just stops so it was like it would just send my body into like a full panic attack every time i ate a
And I'm like, oh, this is sick.
And now it's gotten a little bit better because it's starting to heal a little bit, but it's still not 100%.
So it's like one problem just evolved into another problem.
And then because the leaky gut was so bad, my kidneys were shutting down because I couldn't filter out all the...
That's when I took a leave of absence or retired, whatever you want to call it, after I fought Wagner the one time when we first met.
My leaky gut was so bad, my kidneys started to shut down.
Jesus. And then...
Like, my blood pressure is high.
joe rogan
Have they ever tried oral BPC-157?
gordon ryan
I've been on that for like three years, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah? Is that in any effect?
gordon ryan
A combination of, like, it definitely helps.
joe rogan
You've got to try the shop method.
Whatever they tell you, the doses.
brendan schaub
Just toss the sink at it.
gordon ryan
Just do, yeah.
A whole bottle.
Three times as much.
joe rogan
Let's see what happens with a whole bottle.
gordon ryan
I'm just hoping Elon makes his cyborgs.
Yeah. Give me a new stomach.
I'll be ready to go.
brendan schaub
My flight's at 7.30, Joe.
joe rogan
All right, Doc.
Let's wrap this up.
All right.
Thank you, everybody.
unidentified
Love you guys.
joe rogan
Fun times.
gordon ryan
See you guys.
joe rogan
Love you, too.
See you.
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