Ian Carroll and Joe Rogan expose how mainstream narratives—like Nixon’s demonization or Epstein’s ties to Clinton, Wexner, and Israeli intelligence—often rely on suppressed evidence, from missing brains in JFK’s autopsy to pre-9/11 insurance policies. Carroll links CIA drug trafficking (Vietnam, LA crack) to organized crime, controlled demolitions like WTC 7, and systemic cover-ups, including Operation Blue Book’s UFO discrediting. The discussion extends to globalist entities (BlackRock, Gates, Schwab) manipulating crises like COVID-19 for profit, while Rogan cautions about unverified claims amid weaponized propaganda. Ultimately, they question whether history’s most explosive events are shaped by hidden agendas rather than official stories. [Automatically generated summary]
I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone that they aren't sure about to get to president and they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right?
I love Trump conspiracy theories because people get so riled up and it's so partisan and political, but within it, there's all this like juicy, Like, meat for thinking about, it's like not even conspiracy theories, it's just like his history.
I'm on this one, Confrontations, which is one of a three-part series of human interactions that have been documented with some sort of an invader from some other dimension or planet or whatever the fuck it is.
Is the most rational.
He's the most analytical.
He's the least likely to buy into horseshit, but not dismissive.
And that's my greatest weakness in a lot of ways, among several, is that I'm just really new to the game, and so I'm constantly catching up on shit, and as stuff breaks, like Pambandi, for example, I have no history on who Pambandi is because I wasn't paying attention when Pambandi was in Florida.
And so I'm having to play catch-up on what was going on.
And the people that have been here for forever, like the Alex Joneses of this world, the Jacques Vallées, the people that watch things break live, you just get a different level of And then you get like the David Ikes that are like...
It's fucking reptiles, dude.
They're all reptiles.
David, have you seen David coming after me on Twitter recently?
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Yeah, something I love about the JFK story is that there are so many deep experts that have really done the dig, and they don't all come to the same conclusions.
All these witnesses, their cars got parked on railroad tracks, and they died of heart attacks when they were 30, and they got fucking shot in a robbery, and they committed suicide, gas, they fell asleep in their car.
I mean, it could be that the top of his head exploded right there, and the force drives him back.
There's another possibility, and the possibility is spontaneous nerve reaction of your body shutting down, which could cause you to go back into the left, even if you get shot in the front.
But the thing is, the spray...
Or if you get shot in the back rather, the spray looks like it's going forward.
I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course, the JFK assassination would be the perfect dry run training course to build it around because you have all the pieces.
You have a complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized crime and maybe multiple governments and we don't know all that.
Then you have a complex cover-up that evolved over time.
You have researchers, you have bad information being fed in.
From outside, you have conspiracy theorists that are taking it in directions that are corroborable.
It's got all the things that you need to both learn how to dig into and learn how to watch out for.
There's an open piece of evidence of some kids that showed up covered in mud at a car shop that they worked at.
It was like a dry day.
They showed up covered in mud.
And there's a certain guy that theorized that they were hiding in a manhole and shot up at him out of the manhole.
And that the car slows down in real life.
And that witnesses saw the car slow down.
And that there's dropped frames from the Zapruder film.
And it's like these are these kind of theories where it's like it's like how do you dig into that and like prove that and the answer is you have to get to primary sources.
You have to get to like is there a police report for that kid showing up like is there is that location real like can you corroborate any of this.
Yeah, like I'm deep enough to know the basics, but there's so many layers, and you have to read the books, you have to watch the films, you have to see the interviews.
So if you take that book's premise, it's basically that before the hippie movement...
There was a very powerful organized anti-war movement led by a bunch of Quakers, a bunch of black activists, a bunch of, like, my dad was one of them.
And it was not this hippie fringe thing.
It was a very powerful anti-Vietnam protest.
And the moment that LSD gets introduced, it becomes all peace and love.
And he points out in that book how all of these people, like Frank Zappa, like, lead members of The Doors, people organized the Monterey Pop Festival over and over and over.
Like, he probably has two to three dozen examples specifically he goes deep into.
They all just...
People just happen to move from wherever they are all over the world into this area in LA that is not a hotbed for music.
And they all just start making music about peace and love and doing LSD.
And all of them have parents that are from special forces, intelligence operations, Pentagon.
Like some of the musicians themselves have backgrounds that look exactly like CIA operatives that were doing like revolutions in Cuba and overseas.
Like the lead singer of The Doors, Jim Morrison, for example.
Frank Zappa.
So Frank Zappa's one where his dad and his mom were both Frank Zappa's dad worked at the base that was like the chemical weapons, like where they did their chemical weapons research.
His dad was a chemical weapons specialist in like top secret clearances, which is basically like when you read about what his dad was, it sounds a lot like what MKUltra would be.
But what he did was not like find uncovered evidence that had never been uncovered.
He just looked at all these different people whose histories were very public.
But he put it all together and realized like that's a lot of people that all moved to this one place and all started producing music that was like all within this one thing.
Like Jim Morrison, his dad was the lead commander of the boat that was in the Gulf of Tonkin that started the Vietnam War.
And you could definitely make the explanation that kids often rebel against their parents, Kids often step out of line and are like, like, fuck the old way.
But a lot of them were Ex-military, like directly ex-suits and ex-CIA. Was Morrison an ex-military man?
The reason why this tracks is because what Nixon did.
So with...
With the sweeping psychedelic act of 1970, they passed this.
They made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that they could go after the civil rights activists and the anti-war activists and the Black Panthers.
Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.
It also makes fertile ground for COINTELPRO. When you have things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for COINTELPREM. Well, this is the big thing about Jolly West and Manson is that Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to use psychedelics and manipulate people.
And oftentimes when Manson was with the family, apparently he pretended to take LSD and they all took it.
And then he would manipulate them.
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And then he did like hypnotism and like weird speeches.
But he just put it all out there and is like, this is what I'm seeing and say, think what you think.
And it looks to me like like you're saying that Manson was either directly trained to practice these things and carry them out.
Or he was sort of like a patsy in the operation that they kind of like gave him the setting within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses and just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him safe and just kept him going.
I think he wasn't a part of it because of how effective he was.
I think they've recognized in prison, like, look, you got two choices.
You could be in jail for the rest of your fucking life, or we can work for you.
We think you're brilliant.
We think you're an amazing mind of untapped talent.
And, you know, you pray to this narcissist ego, and you start telling him things, and the next thing you know, he's out there in the street working for you like a little hoe.
I think hypnosis is real, acid is real, and then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking with people with these drugs, they know what to do.
But when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use.
These particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma, and take them and turn them into weapons.
That's so wild.
But that is an asset, right?
If you've got someone who's so fucking crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the fuck they did to Jack Ruby.
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And the craziest thing is that we've been living in a world where for all of our history until the internet, and really until recent internet history, they could do those things and just...
Not have anyone report on it.
Exactly.
And so no one would ever even know.
And I think that there's this feeling that the world is so dark right now because we're learning everything.
I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get...
I'm not literally that paranoid, but I've had some conversations in terms of people that want to leak a story, which I normally just avoid because I don't want to touch it.
But every now and then I'm like, let's go on a walk.
Because I don't want to hear what you have to say around any of this shit.
Well, you're also serving a function, like, a service for people because what you're doing is you're taking all the time to find all this open stores and then putting it out there.
TikTok will delete one finger if I'm pointing with one finger because it's a green screen app and so I'm using the camera and in my camera it's putting the thing behind me but it's cutting out me and if I only use one finger it cuts my whole hand away.
So I started doing this.
Just because the green screen when it's trying to AI analyze what is a body and what is the background it'll take away my hand as though it's the background.
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I haven't gone all the way to doing this at the screen yet.
Was the video he did on the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle when he showed that there was these groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms with military issue shoes.
They all had the same shit on and they all ran around in this peaceful protest for the World Trade Organization and started smashing things and lighting things on fire and creating chaos which allowed the police to then move in.
Then these people All holed up in one house.
They negotiated with the police and they were all released.
Right now, with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play.
play to the money and play to the people.
And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of – and how much leeway do you give them?
How much grace do you give them?
Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government.
I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not.
And what you're talking about is this, it's such an important concept, is that some people, like, if you wanted to pay for an underage prostitute, people can, you can pay for that.
There are people, there are women that would be prostitutes underage.
The people that...
We're talking about in the Epstein files that were...
That wanted underage girls specifically because they weren't all underage.
Some of them wanted overage girls.
Some of them were just scientists.
They weren't all compromised.
But the ones that wanted underage girls, they specifically want what they couldn't have.
Because if you wanted sex that you're allowed to have, you just wanted a young girl, you could just go pay for that.
What Epstein was doing is he was recruiting girls that were from like American families and kind of tricking them and coercing them.
Like they wanted a girl that they wanted the experience of coercing.
Some of these people, not all of them, want the experience.
I am doing this to a girl that I am coercing, I am manipulating, or I'm just straight up being physically violent to to get this thing.
Because if you wanted a willing 16 year old, those do exist.
Oh man, I'm totally blanking on our boy these days that does all the...
O'Keefe?
James O'Keefe?
You know that James O'Keefe got his start with Breitbart on that story exposing Acorn and what they did is they sent James O'Keefe and this other female reporter into Acorn.
And it's a whole drama fest, and I try to stay, I mean, I usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry, because it's like, it'll just waste your time.
It is interesting how you can watch out over history.
The more history you learn, the more you get to see where certain strategies, kind of like deep state strategies, so to speak, or intelligence agency strategies, get invented.
And it shows all the people that were involved in it, and it kind of highlights a guy who seems to be Q, who is kind of an internet shitposter fucking around.
When 4chan was in its heyday back when all that shit was going down, it's ripe for that kind of nonsense.
Well, the thing is, I... I avoid, in the way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way more powerful.
And James Alifonso's Instagram account is a great example.
It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kind of sketchy because it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff?
So you kind of have to dig and dig and dig and cross-reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like the consensus.
happened.
So people like Liz Croke and people like Alex Jones, like they saw these things come out and that you can find plenty of different archives of all of James Aliphant's Instagram posts.
And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables.
And the caption is looks like a fun time.
And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time have even weirder Instagrams where it's like kill room and there's a coffin that's open and things like that.
There's like a photo of like a walk-in freezer and it's like, man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend.
Things like that that are just super dark.
And a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children.
And it's all photos on their Instagram in plain daylight.
And they all got scrubbed, obviously.
And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the Marina Abramovich connections.
That if you don't know the history of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, oh, that's just so insane that you would think that they would be involved in it.
And first of all, they frame it in the articles about Pizzagate.
They say.
Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring all headquartered in this pizza shop, which is not what anyone ever claimed.
Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim.
But if you really learn the history of the Clinton family, just as one example, Did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster?
No.
But I know a little bit about the Foster situation and a couple of those weird deaths earlier on.
I was actually just reading about that specific murder in Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago, because she goes over that too, because it's a huge question mark.
And his family claimed that that wasn't the right gun.
He had a black gun, and his family was like, no, he owned a silver gun.
All these weird things.
They never found the bullet.
Like, all sorts of things that just don't add up.
And that was right after Epstein had first walked into Bill Clinton's life.
That was between White House visit number one and White House visit number two, while Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire West Wing of the White House.
Like, if you were going to use an intelligence asset to do something evil, to do something where you can get dirt on people or compromise people or accomplish an objective, you would get someone who's already fucked up.
Well, when you study where he came from and how he got plucked from the Dalton School and then got put into Bear Stearns and then got put through Bear Stearns and then got put into money management.
It was teaching at the Dalton School, and then he was a banker at Bear Stearns, which he conveniently left when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director, Goldstein, that had hired him.
And had been helping him up.
And then he left and kind of took the fall and took the dirt with him.
them.
And then he went into the arms running businesses, which is where he met Maxwell, Daddy Maxwell, not daughter Maxwell, and Anand Khashoggi and Lise and all these other arms traffickers.
And that's where he got into those.
So it's like you walk slowly into these worlds.
And as they're doing that, I'm imagining they're taking tabs on of like, what kind of guy is this and what's he into?
And he's working with arms traffickers.
And some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail.
Like a non-Kashoggi, he was famous for having his yacht filled up with cameras and given his arms deals everything they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them.
And he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras.
Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting.
Do you know about that?
So Trump, check this out.
And I'm not claiming that Trump is in on everything.
It's a very complex thing here.
But Trump's history is pretty weird.
He bought the Plaza Hotel, which is where the Blue Suite parties that blackmail J. Edgar Hoover happened.
So the thing about her stuff online is that she comes off as way more unhinged.
And she's very smart.
She's very smart.
And she's on it.
But she's now very concerned, rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what might be to come.
But her research on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the history of Epstein, and it paints a very...
Like, we know very well who he worked for, and we know who he was associated with.
She has primary sources with pages of sources cited about who put him where, who he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed what about his life.
And it's two full books and it's very well sourced with primary sources cited all the way throughout.
And so it's like, we don't actually really need the Epstein files to know what was going on.
Yeah, they're all there, and you can read them online.
They're on archive.org, as well as other places.
But Leslie Wexner is a great example here.
Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's Secret and Elle Brands, right?
He's the bank that bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein.
And I was saying earlier that he signed the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein so that Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets, buy on his behalf.
He could sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or even his knowledge if he wanted to, because that's the level of power of attorney that he signed over to Jeffrey Epstein when he was...
He was just my money manager.
I didn't know he was running this thing because I wasn't involved in any of those transactions.
But what that meant is that Leslie Wexner damn well knew.
We could go into the mega group and we could go into his connections to Charles Bronfman, all these other things.
Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source like 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wexner and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret.
It's called his D-book, D-Y-B-U-K, and you can read about this on Wikipedia as well.
He describes in his own words that he's possessed by a d-book, which is like a Yiddish word for an evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more.
I've read it three times now, and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched.
And it's things like this, where she's gone back to the original article where they were interviewing him, and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, what's your secret to success?
And he's like, I'm possessed.
I have a drive for more.
And he chose the word debuk, which is a Yiddish word.
He says, and now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's debuk, the demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him.
When he was a boy, his father called it tumul, a churning.
So he feels molten and unformed.
Pricked by these spiritual pins and needles.
He met this demon again when he was 40 and already worth half a billion.
When he climbed the mountain in front of the house in Vail and almost froze to death and decided to change his life.
So that's just to point out that, like, A, he's a fucking weird dude.
He's a sketchy dude.
He's running two sex trafficking rings out of his companies that he doesn't know anything about.
And simultaneously, he founded, I mean, the Wexner Foundations and the Leslie Wexner Heritage Foundation.
Those are also very...
Interesting and controversial.
They're very tied to Israel because he is one of the foremost Israeli philanthropists, despite being an American.
But he founded what was called the Mega Group, which is essentially a...
I mean, it was not disclosed for a long time.
It was secret.
And it is a...
Group of Jewish billionaires that get together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon, and there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing crimes.
But they would get together and meet, and it's people like Leslie Wexner, Charles Bronfman, the list is...
We could look it up.
And that group, it is unclear if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but there are...
All of them have ties to organized crime through various elements, like the Bronfmans were rum runners, as one example, that were then involved in the mob.
Leslie Wexner's involved in these trafficking rings, etc.
And that group...
Seems to have been directly associated with Jeffrey Epstein.
And she's, again, she's one that she shows all the primary sources and, like, lays it all out of, this is what we know, and this is where the source came from, and this is what it said, and these are possible explanations for it.
Here's one or two or three explanations of what it might be, but we don't really know because this is as far as the evidence goes.
And so Leslie Wexner is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all around him that the, in order for him to not be aware of what's going on and to not have been an active part of this, Is damn near unbelievable in my eyes, allegedly.
But, like, so the files getting released, I am not expecting them to come out in any complete form because the mainstream understandings that Jeffrey Epstein was the guy.
Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime rings that work on behalf of the CIA and Israeli Mossad and British intelligence.
Because organized crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex, the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking.
And intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate government's point of access to organized crime.
I mean, theoretically.
Intelligence agencies were supposed to be...
Truman wanted the intelligence agencies to be a newspaper about what's going on in the world for the president to know, right?
But Alan Dulles was not about that.
Alan Dulles, founder of the CIA, was like, I want to do covert operations.
And very immediately, covert operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran, buying the elections in Italy.
They bought the elections in Italy by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia so they would just go buy the election right after World War II because they needed to not let Italy fall to the...
Communists.
It's where the Vatican is.
So the CIA, though Truman okayed it, hoping that it would be a newspaper, the CIA has been covert operations from the start.
And covert operations is all about public-private partnerships so that you can't have it traced back to you, right?
Because if you get caught doing MKUltra shit, the government's fucked.
And so what they want to do is they want to outsource MKUltra shit or child trafficking shit or drug running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy that works at that organized crime, right?
The deep state is the conglomerate of organized crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows as well as the halls of power, but they're not supposed to exist and we're not supposed to know about them.
But they've always existed because before we even founded the CIA during...
During World War II, there was this bombing of this ship in a port on the eastern seaboard.
The USS Liberty is confusing my memory right now.
It was called Operation Underworld.
There's a Wikipedia page about Operation Underworld, and there's a whole bunch more about it.
The ship blows up in harbor, and they were building this big new ship.
It would have been in the early 40s, I believe.
It was during World War II, inside of World War II. The ship was blown up.
Here it is.
And it's not clear if it was German U-boats.
There are reports that later Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for it, like low-key, but we don't really know for sure who blew it up.
But when it blew up, the U.S. government got really worried that they had no way to secure the ports along the eastern seaboard because all the ports were run by the mob, because the mob ran all the unions, right?
And so they, rather than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back from the mob, they just went to the mob.
And said, we'll partner with you.
If you guys lock down the ports, we'll let you kind of do your thing.
And that's kind of what Operation Underworld was all about.
And so what they did during World War II is they literally gave control over the entire eastern seaboard.
I mean, I'm being facetious, but they gave control over all the ports on the eastern seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers, like to the mob, which their favorite thing is to smuggle things.
Drugs, weapons, guns, duh.
Whatever.
I don't know.
And so before the CIA was even founded, the OSS, the intelligence agency during the wartime, was already partnering with organized crime.
And the people that founded those intelligence agencies, like Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles, they were corporate lawyers.
And that's...
Can I just keep going on this?
This is the thing that blew my mind.
I was trying to research GameStop and shit.
And then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies, that when you really learn their history and read about their official history, let alone their history that sort of is still secret...
It is very clear that they've been off the rails right from the start.
And that's true inside of every, like, whether you're reading Legacy of Ashes and The Devil's Chessboard, very well-researched official books about this shit, or if you're doing internet research.
And the reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate lawyer instead of, like, a doctor or a military guy or something is because a corporate lawyer...
Is already familiar with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right?
Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer.
And so he was very familiar with IG Farben producing Zyklon B for the Nazis.
He was familiar with Standard Oil.
He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and all these companies all around the world.
And he's got good connections with them all.
And so you suddenly, you hire one guy, Alan Dulles, and you have just hired an entire network of multinational corporations.
Theoretically, to work on behalf of the U.S. But when you read the histories and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed doors and everything, what he was doing is he was hiring the U.S. government in order to fund a corporate slush fund for corporations to utilize this power, this newly government-bestowed power, to essentially wage violence that is sanctioned.
You see what I'm saying?
Because all those corporations, the perfect example is Guatemala.
The United Fruit Company had bought up all this land in Guatemala and was growing bananas like crazy, and a lot of the land was just sitting vacant.
And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power, and he's like, this is bullshit.
There's this American corporation that's owning all of our land, that's making all of us poor, and they're not even using a bunch of this land.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to buy back the land.
He didn't take it.
He bought it back from the United Fruit Company, and he was going to distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute, which is like socialist, kind of.
But it's also pretty badass to use, like, your government money to buy all your farmers' land from this multinational corporation, but that pissed United Fruit off.
And this is right as the CIA was getting founded, and United Fruit was a client of Sullivan and Cromwell, and Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right?
So United Fruit goes to Alan Dulles.
His brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State?
Yeah, Secretary of State.
So these two brothers that are both lawyers for Sullivan and Cromwell are the director, well...
Technically, Alan Dulles was not yet the director of CIA, but he was like the founder.
He just had a beef with Truman and with the first couple of leaderships of the president there.
And so United Fruit goes to them and is like, hey, can we overthrow this piece of shit?
Because he's fucking with our business, right?
So this is like how corporations wanted this government-sanctioned power.
And they, through those two brothers, lobbied the United States, propagandized the United States.
They hired propaganda artists to propagandize them.
And they...
We painted him as a communist right at our doorstep.
And then the CIA went in and through a series of kind of somewhat botched attempts called Operation Success and Operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala and they ousted him.
They bombed Guatemala City and they got rid of him and they put in their own dictator that started like, you know, 30 years of absolute devastation and like military rule and just...
Really dark shit that basically tore Guatemala apart on behalf of United Fruit.
They did the same thing in Iran like three years later with Kermit Roosevelt, where it became this thing where these multinational corporations that are affiliated with this intelligence agency, just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through the network, they started to utilize Alan Dulles and the CIA in general on their behalf to do things for the corporate interest.
They are the power players in this world.
They always have been the power players in this world.
And they had been itching for quite some time to get that government-sanctioned ability to wage violence against anyone around the world.
And we've been doing that ever since, using the intelligence agencies on behalf of the corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime, and just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments and starting coups right to this day, to Ukraine, 2014. Without being directly connected.
Exactly.
So, yeah.
The concept of plausible deniability.
That's the whole point, is you want to set it up in a series of shells, and the darker it is, the more you have to kind of separate it so that when Jeffrey Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for.
He worked for intelligence, and I was told to leave him alone.
And so you're left to speculate who he worked for, and that's why we are left to rely on sources like Whitney Webb, who's done sort of the definitive dig, because they won't fucking tell us, because a bunch of them are blackmailed.
And it's all, it's like, it's not like it's literally a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table.
It is just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations, different bankers, organized crime groups, all sort of playing games for power and these guys have that much power and those guys have that much power and interests tend to align like...
The general vibe in the corporations will probably align with the vibe of the bankers.
And their vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of this organized crime stuff.
And we'll fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen, until it's not convenient anymore.
And then we'll actually use them as a patsy to go to war because there's terrorists over there, goddammit!
There's almost a Nazi coup in the 30s where we almost got taken over by our own military and became Nazis because Prescott, Bush, and a bunch of his other buddies were on Team Nazi.
And it's because they were all funding the Nazis and they wanted us on that team.
I spent 33 years in active military service, and during that period, I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for big business, for Wall Street and the bankers.
In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
And it's still not making it into the mainstream, mainstream zeitgeist, but...
And you've played a big part in this, too.
This whole decentralized media space, as technology naturally walks forward, I think that we're living in this world where all these rich people, all these evil, controlling sickos of varying degrees, they come from a world where they could control everything.
They could control the newspapers, they could buy out the press, they could pay for journalists.
And that strategy walked itself into technology.
And suddenly technology is just naturally walking forwards, and this just changes the game.
Like, you can't use those old strategies when you have a phone and internet and social media.
And we're watching the cognitive sort of breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how to adapt.
And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme is crumbling.
And the secret is just free speech.
That's all you need is free speech and communication on the internet.
Now, when you have 51 former intelligence agents claiming that this is Russian disinformation, and then you have the government getting it removed, Twitter complying, you can't even post a link, for the fucking New York Post.
Then you have another obvious portal, which is California...
And New York won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote.
There's only one reason why you would do that, because you want people voting that shouldn't be voting, and you want it to count because you want to win.
And more and more we're seeing that they are literally importing voters and paying them with government money to huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on the street, over 300,000 children are missing that have crossed our border that we have delivered to unknown sponsors.
I didn't know about that either and then I now do a podcast every couple weeks with Dustin Stockton who's a whole trip of guy and he started telling me the story of like, what are you saying?
I had no idea that they had literally just started building it from a private...
I work with this guy named Ryan Mata who spent three years of his life going to the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about this and interviewing the people that rescue trafficked children and actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the Biden regime's trafficking scheme, like the people that were dropping kids off with sponsors and stuff.
And this is the thing is that there are certain topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when you start to research into them, you realize you're inside of this media madness that it's so hard to find the truth.
And COVID was one of those.
And J6 was one of those.
The elections was one of those.
And when you find that, it becomes...
For me, it sets a bell off.
A, I'm in something I should learn about.
But B, I have to be very careful.
And I don't know...
And you never know what you can trust in those spaces.
And so that's where I change my switches for what to believe.
And I kind of open up the bandwidth in terms of take it all in, but be very skeptical.
Because that's where you get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven, and trust me, and then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying to obfuscate the narrative.
Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be aware of is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a narrative to make that narrative ridiculous.
Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as a goof, and then they couldn't believe how much it took.
But if you can speak well, and you're articulate, and you have compelling things that you're saying, and there's no counter, there's no scientist going, stop, stop, stop.
We can show you in fucking ten minutes that the Earth is round.
Everything in the sky is round.
The Earth is the only thing that's not round?
You know, the weirdness of it is how much people want to believe that everything's bullshit.
And so you could trick a certain number of people.
If you think about the amount of death that occurs in the United States because fentanyl overdoses, where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across the border and killing people left at unprecedented levels.
I kind of came out a little hot and I posted something on Twitter that was like, no fucking drone strikes inside of the U.S. No, sir.
No, you're not.
Because the way that the sort of announcement was worded of like, we're declaring cartel members, terrorist organizations, and we will be, and drone strikes are like totally A-OK on that, is what someone was saying about it.
And I was like, where's the line on allowing the targeting of cartels?
Because once you start targeting terrorists, that's why 9-11 was so subversive, is it turned everyone.
Everyone into a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept.
And you brought up the Hunter Biden laptop and those 51 intelligence agents?
I wanted to look into it.
So I looked at the letter itself and I actually read the letter.
And on the letter at the bottom, they all signed it.
And if you just start Googling the people that signed it, the very first two names were ex-directors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied on the stand.
And so they're professional liars that are from the Intel agencies that are saying oh no no like hundred by is all good above board It's like why would we ever trust that?
But that's how powerful spin is when every media article parrots that no it wasn't made in a lab There's no evidence.
It was made in a lab that couldn't be true Yeah, everyone just believes it because we want to believe that that's how the world is we used to and Don't you think that over the last four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake-up call ever for people?
And to be fair, I think we're kind of both still sort of leftists, what left should be.
Socially progressive.
Politics is supposed to be a balance.
We need regulation of corporations.
That's a leftist ideology.
But we need individual liberty.
And we're supposed to have a balance of the two.
And I think my theory is that it used to be easier to control the right because it was a big money party and you could go to war with them and you could lead us around by the right.
But as technology came in, they realized it was way easier to spin narratives to the collectivists.
And if you can get all the collectivists, the leftists...
To go along with the narrative, that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with the guns.
Well, we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson where people were saying, what is the big deal?
This is like 2015, 2016 when Jordan Peterson first and when Brett Weinstein first started emerging.
And before that, I was talking about these crazy things that were going on in universities and people were like, why are you paying attention to these fringe things that kids are doing?
I'm like, they're going to graduate!
These are the people.
These aren't the people who 30 years ago were studying in school, trying to figure out what career to get into.
No, they want to change the world with activism now.
Everyone wants to be an activist in every job you take.
Everything you take is supposed to enact social justice.
That is supposed to be your...
And then you're given this as your social credit system when you're in the universities, and then you leave.
I still want to be the good person.
I still want to be the person.
And in a world with no meaning, where life is meaningless for 99% of the population...
And that's what I love about the job that I've fallen into as a sort of, like, researcher, is that I have no problem with being wrong.
My favorite moments in my career so far have been when someone's proved me wrong.
And I've been like, oh, shit.
Thanks, bro.
I didn't know that.
I'm going to research that and look it up.
Because, I mean, some people can get trapped in their ego and need to stay on some hill and die there.
Right.
You don't need to do that.
It's a progress for intelligence, for learning.
That's what the Academy of Ideas was built on, right?
And so having this...
Culture of censorship and of herd mentality, especially in the universities, is the most toxic thing to our national future you could ever incorporate.
And I more and more started to look at, like, we changed from kinetic warfare at the atom bomb to, like, psyop and subversive and information warfare.
And we were still doing kinetic warfare, but it was all these little proxy wars that were based on propaganda and, like, in order to spin narratives, in order to get support.
And more and more, as technology has evolved, one of my kind of schticks is that...
The warfare is information warfare now because what they need to do is they need to convince everyone that COVID is real and that you need to lock down and you need to wear your mask and you need to take the vaccine so we can profit.
And all of that is information.
And that changes it from soldiers fighting soldiers to government agencies or rather NGOs and all these conglomerates of money groups.
Essentially targeting all of us and we become the targets of that warfare.
What's fun though is when they try to spin a narrative to try to cover up their tracks and it just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on.
One of my favorite ones was when Geraldo Rivera was in Afghanistan going through the poppy fields with the United States military guarding the poppy fields.
I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted, and in a sense you're watching as this opium is being grown.
My favorite statistic about that era is that that that I'm going to get the number wrong, but it...
Opium has only grown in so many places, right?
And it used to be in the Vietnam region in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle.
Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan.
When that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80% of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan.
And if you just do a little math and think it through, you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of legal opioids, of the Sackler family and all these pharma companies.
And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not to be in on this scheme.
Because where are they growing their opium?
They're not growing it here.
They're not growing it in, like, Africa.
So, by definition, when you just think through what's going on here, you realize that some of those opium fields are illegal heroin, and some of those opium fields are big pharma.
It's just a scientific process of having the right degree of, like, understanding of just, like, the right amount of, like, need to see primary sources and real evidence and the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see what comes out and not being attached to one conclusion.
Like, I started with all the BlackRock conspiracy theories.
I started with who owns...
Who owns the tampon aisle?
Who owns all these things?
And I would go into the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery stores where I would go to the cereal aisle and be like, who owns all these cereals?
And it turns out the entire cereal aisle is three companies and...
I mean, the tampon aisle is even better because they're all getting sued for having reprotoxic chemicals in the tampons.
And so that sort of, I like walked myself slowly into learning and I walked my audience along with me.
And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I used to be a teacher.
And so I have this, a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate in a way that's speaking from their perspective instead of from my perspective?
Which right now I'm just talking to you instead of talking to them, 'cause it's more fun.
But when I actually make my videos, I do my best to try to put myself in the shoes of who I'm trying to access and what do they know and what do I need to communicate and show evidence of for them to understand that you can look into this and check my sources.
And you can think about this You have permission to think about this.
You do a very good job of citing your sources and telling people where to look if they want to find out more information about it too because a lot of it is a real big deep dive.
It's like unless you're you, unless you're a person who does it for a living, the amount of time that it takes to find out about this stuff and then even you who's been in for two years doing this, there's There's decades of layers you need to uncover.
And there's still always more to learn and always more to connect.
And we get new information that puts new light on old situations.
It's this constant rearranging game of understanding.
And I just love that...
I mean, yeah, most people don't have time for all of it, but as we're sort of stratifying into this ecosystem of content of, like, creators and journalists and thinkers, that we're all kind of collectively doing the work together, and some of us are more integral than others.
Some of us are just clickbaiters, and some of us are, like, I'm somewhere in the middle.
And then you get some people that are really professional about it, like...
Problematically professional about it, like they can only get so much done.
Yeah, I mean 9-11 is the perfect example of that kind of false flag of this thing that's crazy that has all these questions that get covered up and then we just go to war in the Middle East with a country.
But it's important to mention, as we're getting into all these government conspiracy theories, and CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it, no one's saying ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole government of any of these countries did it.
Like people, it's like in the anti-Israel crowd, people get smeared a lot for like, as though you're claiming that all of Israel did 9-11 or all of Israel did this thing.
Or when you're talking about the CIA, it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA.
We're not saying that the whole CIA did something.
We're saying that these groups, these covert intelligence agencies, they are fertile ground for walled off areas of need to know information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched.
And they always have been.
That's the whole fucking point of an intelligence agency is to hatch plots.
Right.
Unreal that they would have such an evil and fucked up plot right Right.
9-11 happened when I was in grade school, and I remember where I was and all that shit.
And that was the seed that just sort of set under the ground until BLM that eventually sprouted for me.
I always knew there was something weird, and I saw Zeitgeist when I was way younger.
So I knew that there's weird shit in this world, but I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding and stuff, so I didn't really think about it until...
It walked into my city and told me to stay inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit.
Yeah, he's around this area, and I had not seen them before.
Plandemic 1 was this doctor named Judy Mikovits that blew the whistle really early on, and that is one of the things that got all this, like the fact that you haven't heard of it and seen it.
I was skeptical about him before I read that book because they had done a great job of connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like a kook.
And it had been long enough since he was not a kook because he started doing the vaccine stuff for these moms that were coming to him with vaccine-injured kids.
And he was not...
Trying to do vaccine stuff.
But he saw these kids and was like, I need to fight for these people.
And they're making it look like everyone's dying from measles.
Like, no.
If you're dying from measles, you're sick.
You're already compromised, which is exactly what happened with COVID, where 90-fucking-plus percent of the people who died had four-plus comorbidities.
Which is why it was such a red pill for me, because I was, like, literally an ultramarathon runner that was going to the gym, like, three hours a day.
Like, I don't...
I need natural immunity.
I already have natural immunity.
Go fuck yourselves.
Like, what are you doing?
And the reason why I was talking about Mickey Willis and Plandemic is because the second Plandemic is called Indoctrination.
And it's basically a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden cow, is not just like, it's not just one thing or this thing or one thing.
It's a organized like group of profit takers that has been growing for decades.
And Bill Gates and he like lays out how Bill Gates got into it and is on camera saying how many profits he's made off of vaccines and how great of a business model vaccines are.
And vaccines as a concept, great concept, but it is so lucrative if if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to do really evil things with it.
And it's not just that you can't give them immunity.
It's that you cannot just punish with fines.
You have to punish with prison time.
Because if you don't punish with prison time, it will never change.
That's true of the drug industry.
That's true of our corrupt government.
Officials that are like, for example, the person that was withholding these Epstein documents from Pam Bondi and she fired him?
No!
Put him on a stand and at least give him a trial to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else, right?
And maybe he's fine and you let him go and he's just fired.
But if you're not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if you're just going to fine a couple people, like 2008 banking collapse, we'll fine all the bankers a little bit and we'll just put one little pawn of a banker in jail.
That's why we have this crazy fucking, like, 2008 was horrible, but it was by no means the last market crash that we're having.
Because no one ever went to jail.
They just switch their tactics around and get ready for the next profit-taking event.
The idea that you're going to have 94% of the world's opium and you're just going to ignore it while you're occupying the country with a military force and guarding the fields?
But George H.W. Bush, this is one that's not totally declassified yet, but I've been digging deep into it.
I got a whole bunch of documents on it, and it's kind of declassified, is that during Vietnam era, we were managing all the opium production and the heroin production in Laos and in the surrounding area, and it was being sold to American service members to make money for the CIA for black operations.
And that was George H.W. Bush.
That was his time.
That's why his nickname is Poppy.
It's not because he's, like, the dad.
It's because he was brought into that organization with Richard Helms.
So Bill Colby, who put that all together, he was a...
He was in the heroin operations in Vietnam and he was like a little lower down and not running it.
And then...
As he grew up and came to power in the CIA, and those other guys that were more competent, Richard Helms being the primary one, Richard Helms and H.W. Bush, they were not involved when he went off on his own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling.
And that's why he bungled it so fucking bad, because he was a psychopath that didn't have the skill sets required in order to run something that complex.
And it eventually, when Barry Seal got popped, he was the guy that was flying the, like, it used to be I'll drive a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border, and then Barry Seal was this military CIA pilot.
I don't know.
I'll just fill my whole fucking plane with cocaine and you get like a thousand runs in one.
And he was just flying whole planes over to Mena, Arkansas, where Bill Clinton was the governor.
Yeah, and but they boy did they get fucking attacked boy.
They have a lot of pressure Yeah, it's like it's so hard to know what's real in the world and unless you have Schellenberger unless you have Glenn Greenwald if you unless you have those people out there That are risking their neck.
They're sticking their neck out there to tell you exactly what's going on.
Whereas Tucker Carlson gets kicked out and he fucking slays it!
And he just grows bigger and bigger and bigger because he's not bought and he's not scared and he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and getting to the truth.
And it's so cool to watch this seismic shifting in the industry.
And the thing about the internet that I love that gets me called a...
I love that all of their tactics work Backwards too.
I can use those tactics too.
I can make propaganda.
Because what propaganda is, is just convincing messaging.
And if you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil fucking megalomaniacal dictator, government, CIA, whatever it is, that's really bad.
But if you have propaganda tools in the hands of regular citizens that have morals and values that want the best for the world, correctly applied, you can fight back against them.
And so there's this element where I'm like, I'm looking at how do you...
Open people's minds.
Like, how do you strategize to, like, get your...
And it's a balance, right?
Because when I'm reporting on something, it's important to tell the truth.
It's important to be accurate.
And accuracy, if you really dig enough and get enough accuracy, that reduces entertainment value.
But if you find the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy the right way, which is always a moving target, you can change the world.
Like, I'm a regular dude two years ago.
I was an Uber Eats driver, an ultra-marathon running guide.
I was like a no-one in the middle of nowhere.
And then I'm like, alright, I'll just contribute.
And I'll start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and communicate what's going on.
Well, you're seeing that with a lot of podcasters where they just start off and then they fall off because they can't do it because they're not interested.
But there's a lot of people that start to suggest that it sounds like we're antennae that are receiving consciousness from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other, like...
Because you're talking metaphysics, you're talking physics, you're talking history and disclosure about history and dimension.
And I suspect that whatever consciousness is coming from is...
This multiverse, this This consciousness field, this ether, this multidimensional thing, whatever.
I suspect that's very similar to what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through.
And I suspect that's very similar to what we identify as either the gods plural, the aliens plural that have these abilities we don't have, as well as gods singular, which is probably the highest up above all of those things.
I suspect there's a version of all these things that are starting to converge on one truth.
Because when you learn about remote viewing, that's what really...
It for me was learning how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing over the years.
The CIA is not spending millions and millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's not going to work.
They would for a little while, but they've been doing it and doing it and doing it.
And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming out whistleblowing that they are doing it today and I'm in the program and this is how we did it.
There's a lot of footage you can find online that is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or like a guy is like, they're doing their floating shit and then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a wire is to help his buddy get back into frame.
Like little slips of the mind where they're like just trying to orchestrate.
Yeah, so all I'm saying is that gets cited by flat earthers as like, NASA's covering up flat earth.
And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage from something like the ISS, and every single one of them rhymes with aliens.
Because if there's any type of aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they are up there in that fucking space station.
What?
Or like, they could be, like, I don't know.
And I'm not saying I think they are for sure.
I'm just saying that people tend to look at a...
And sometimes there's other explanations.
And aliens apply to so many parts of our world, like demons.
Sound very much like the UAP phenomenon to me, right?
A lot of these religious beliefs sound very much like explainable, just with different wording, by UAP phenomenon.
As in, some of these aliens, we seem to be being told that they communicate telepathically.
They have energetic ability, right?
I'm getting to the point where I'm suspecting that we're going to be finding out that religion is like humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia in all the human ways we would.
And telling stories about them.
And I'm not saying that God's not real.
I'm saying God is real.
And that does not diminish God at all.
I almost think it makes God more important and more powerful to understand.
Because from my understanding, correct me if you have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a lot of reports that are cross-corroborating that there's more than one thing going on here.
It's not all aliens are the same.
Some of them might be us from the future.
Some of them might be us from under the water.
Some of them might be other species.
All these phenomenon are, but they're definitely not just made up.
It's like, if you go back to Operation Blue Book, when they started doing that, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous.
And they talked about that openly.
And then Hynek, when he left Operation Blue Book, became a believer.
I mean, the UFO community is filled with people like that.
And it's really hard to know who's who.
It's super hard to know who's who.
And did you notice how recently, like a month ago sort of, there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy Corbo was coming out of whistleblowing on, if I remember correctly.
That they were saying that they're going to trick us by saying that there's a mothership around.
One of the weirdest things about Jacques Vallée's work is that Jacques Vallée has been documenting this stuff, again, since I think the 50s or the 60s is when he started, but he's also documented historical stories.
I mean, you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita, but you could make the argument that back then people were writing fiction or wanted attention.
Those could apply, but I'm skeptical.
But yeah, I get down with the ancient ones.
With the Graham Hancocks of this world, that was my first conspiracy theory stuff back when I was a leftist.
I was just like, ancient conspiracy theories, let's go.
And it's so compelling.
The Great Flood, the Randall Carlsons of this world, and the way that they kind of talk about...
And it's so obvious, more and more and more, that there is a cover-up.
And Jimmy Corsetti has been really going hard at mainstream archaeology lately.
But then you do get people that go all the way to...
The guy that thinks Nibiru is the 12th planet or whatever.
Zacharias Sitchin.
There's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way off track here, guys.
We're starting to cite sources that are not credible and we're taking it to places where maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe we're very plausible that we're all genetically engineered, I think.
But there's a fine line between Maybe that could be true.
I'm planning to write a book that is sort of like a series of books, really, across my later life, that is basically...
Imagine writing a book that is set in the...
You could write ancient books about the old school where if that book was real, you could still wind up in today's world with all the same evidence we have, and it could be real.
Even if back then it's crazy magic and there's all this crazy shit going on, it could still end up with, oh, the pyramids are left over from that, and oh, the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened.
And then you could write all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories into today that like...
How could you prove that this is not real?
I just think that's the most fun aspect is how much we don't know.
Well, the evidence of ancient technology is one of the more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past because Whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids, none of them work.
Through these like stony kind of like porous rocky structures under there It's just there's so many interesting versions of what it could be at the very least It's a mystery and it's also a mystery that shows fantastic engineering and construction methods and The ability to move rocks and bring them from 500 miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons.
I mean, look, if you're dealing with something that can come here from another planet and communicates telepathically, who knows?
Who fucking knows?
Even if it's human beings, let's say it's super sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4,500 years ago, because that's the conventional dating of the construction.
Jimmy Corsetti's done some great videos where he compiles real videos of us moving large objects today, and the trucks breaking and the cranes falling off of cliffs and all this shit of like, look at how hard.
And then when you look at the cover-up, there's no reason for that level of cover-up if it's just...
A building technology.
That's where I start to go, clearly that is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies, whatever it is.
There has to be some sort of reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient cultures were built and worked has to relate somehow to something very important and valuable today.
And a couple of smart researchers point out really astutely that if you were doing that to hide from other humans, to protect yourself from other humans, you would never dig into a cave system that you should get drowned in.
Right.
You would never dig into a cave system that has no way out so that you can just get sealed in.
I do respect how he openly will say that, like, yeah, the things I'm inventing could be used for evil.
Like, the things I'm inventing are dangerous.
And we need to be careful and regulate them properly and create them with intention and careful care.
I don't know if he's necessarily doing as much as I would hope he's doing to take...
I'm sure glad it's him and not...
Jeffrey Epstein, who was deeply interested in all these same technologies, this is a whole other side of him that no one talks about, is his interest in technologists and geneticists and all those things, right?
Throw parties for them, throw conventions for them.
And a couple of them had some serious accusations, like Marvin Minsky, for example, but I bet a lot of them were not compromised.
Like Stephen Hawking.
Everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on the list, but it makes perfect sense.
You realize that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists, specifically, to bring them all together because that way you get connections, you can get favors.
Even if you're not blackmailing them, then they just want to be on your good side because you have all these connections and you can fund all their projects and you become this integral part of this technological sort of space.
I suspect, Melania conspiracy time, I suspect that Melania has been whispering in Trump's ear, I think she was trafficked.
Before.
Either bad traffic or just like knew Epstein and knew that world a little bit.
But I suspect that she's been whispering in his ear about what that really is and does and all that things.
Because a lot of...
She's been kind of like acting from the back a lot.
But when you really dig into what Melania's been doing, she's very...
very active in anti-trafficking and in protecting traffic victims and girls and stuff.
And as Trump, when he married her, and then they have Barron, and he's watching his son grow up.
So you have this young child, and you have this wife telling you about her previous life, probably, and just whispering in your ear that, like, this could be your legacy.
This could be your legacy.
This could be your legacy, right?
Because he used to be friends with those people, even though I don't think he was blackmailed, because I think that would have come out when the Democrats were going for him.
And maybe he was involved in the trafficking a little bit because of the things that he bought and the people that he knew and, like, Roy Cohn connections.
But I don't even know about that.
But regardless, he knows the game.
And then he marries Melania.
And then more and more, he was in charge when Epstein went down.
He was the only one that when Epstein got arrested and they were going around asking for dirt, he was like, I'll fully fucking cooperate.
Fuck that guy.
I'll tell you everything that I know.
And so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his sort of shift to being the only guy willing to go after those traffickers.
Out of all the information that's getting disclosed, supposedly, this administration, what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to a conclusion?
It was targeting American officials and the American president.
And the CIA does have interest in those targets, too.
Elements in the CIA does.
Certainly they had help from the CIA. And certainly they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations.
So, for example, Dan Bongino, the new deputy director of the FBI, he recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had a source that he trusted deeply.
And he's an informed guy.
He was at a Fox News interview, and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East.
And I don't know which one, but someone in the Middle East.
And to be fair, we all already knew this.
We already know who he worked for.
At least I think so.
But I'm looking at, okay, Dan, so...
If this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff, you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East?
Like, you think that Leslie Wexner is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel, but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking?
As vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government.
But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded.
It was founded in a modern time, much more recently.
It was a revolutionary founding.
And I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state.
I get it.
But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms.
And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehigh Group, and the Haganah, those were the three paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel, and they're like the heroes of Israel, which I understand the narrative that they're heroes, but...
When Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians.
They'd been bombing British civilians.
The first official act of terror before they changed the definition was the bombing of the King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel.
They were bombing...
Civilians.
And so when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time.
And so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power.
And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because...
Those were the people that were at the top of that military organization.
Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF. And what's interesting is you can talk about this now post-October 7th.
And I knew about the dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents.
And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason, and I didn't really know why.
And I realized, like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this topic I don't understand.
If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how.
So I started doing research, and I shelved that research, and I switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.
And I finished the video, and it was October 6th, and I was like, I was very worried because it's like, you weren't allowed to talk about it.
And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was.
And I published it on October 6th on my Locals channel.
And I kind of had this, like, lean back and like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, so be it.
And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th is a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and everyone was talking about it.
And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence, like, And suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open.
Because unfortunately, it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general.
Because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this.
Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most...
Prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever.
And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of Israel and other groups.
And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it.
Like if you try to defend that, that's not good.
You don't want to have to defend that.
You want to be free of that kind of shit because the Jewish people don't believe in that.
Because if I'm a Jew, it's like, of course you have to defend Israel.
Like, that's very understandable.
It's your people.
And you don't want another Holocaust.
Like, you don't want another, like, Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages because they are outsiders and because they are so different and because they group up.
And lots of reasons.
But you don't, like, as a Jewish person, you're now faced with this choice.
Do I stand by Israel always, forever, for everything?
And defend everything they do, or do I get labeled as a self-hating Jew like Dave Smith gets labeled, like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled?
Do I stand against all of my culture, and do I get ostracized by my family and by my community?
But the problem is that if you have to defend everything that Israel does, you're forced to defend this fucking deep state that is in bed with these organized crime figures.
And I would argue that that Israeli deep state is just as much in bed with all the other organized crime as our deep state is, as the Saudi deep state is.
There's evil people at the top of all these governments.
Well, the thing is, Israel is connected to one race of people.
Whereas the United States, which also is involved in a lot of really fucked up things all over the world, when people think about the United States, they don't...
And so it just puts us all in this impossible situation, and it's an impossible conversation that we all—and I'm glad for it, because it's a maturing process.
And I think we need to do it very delicately and very carefully and thoughtfully, because Jewish people are people, and they're not evil.
But there are evil Jewish people, and there are evil American people, and there are evil Saudi people, and that's the way it is.
And so I welcome the conversation, but unfortunately, the thing— For me, fortunately, is when I first researched it, I came across this documentary on Rumble called The Occupation of the American Mind, which is a very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people speaking about the history of Israel and about how they realized in the 80s when there was this specific operation where they wound up bombing this refugee camp called Sabra and Shatilla,
or a refugee camp in a place called Sabra and Shatilla.
And there was other...
I guess it was a massacre.
It wasn't a bombing.
And it was the first time where Western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video feed were coming back of the conflict of what was happening.
And American sentiment turned really harshly against Israel in the 80s there.
And they realized...
We don't need to win just the kinetic war.
We need to win the ideological war on the global scale.
Because if we don't win that ideological war, the whole world will turn against us and call us a colonial project, which I would argue they kind of are.
But that's not the point here.
And I don't mean to say I'm necessarily right about my perspective on that.
But that's when...
They switched to a propaganda war.
And they started targeting the United States with propaganda.
And they hired the world's top propagandists to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government officials how to communicate with the West and how to propagandize the West so that we would remain in the dark a little bit.
That's why we have this veil and this anti-Semitism thing.
It's why you're not allowed to talk about it.
Because it evolved over time.
And they eventually hired this guy that I think is called Luntz.
And Luntz worked with the Israel Project.
There's a report online that came out in 2009, I think, called the Israel Language Dictionary.
American language dictionary.
And it's basically a word for word.
This is how you discuss the rockets raining down.
This is how you discuss the settlements.
This is how you discuss the occupation and the palace and all these things.
And they use examples of words that work and words that don't work.
And when you read it, you realize like, holy shit, that's exactly what politicians have been saying on TV my entire life.
And they use Obama as one example of really good words that work.
You should talk like Obama because he's good at sort of empathizing with the other side and making us understand that like we're here.
I say that to mean that we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential to them for so long to protect that image in order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing.
When I would argue that we would all be much better off if...
Bibi was fucking not there.
And we had a more sane person in charge of Israel that was actually there for peace and not there for whatever the fuck Bibi is doing.
And we could start to heal this thing and talk about it.
I suspect, I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here, I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of in on a coup against Netanyahu right now.
This is just my theory based upon the way he talked about like I suspect that these powerful Jews, like the Adelson type people, are starting to realize that Netanyahu is kind of sinking this ship.
And he's kind of fucked it all up, and it's not going well for Israel in the public conversation.
Like, I can ratio just about anyone I want on Twitter over the Israel thing, because the public sentiment is just shifting.
And it's not healthy for anyone, for Jewish people or anyone else.
And I'd suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting to see that.
And are starting to scheme on how do we fucking get Netanyahu out of there and put someone in that can actually move us towards some sort of peace.
Because without a genuine desire for...
Netanyahu is on fucking camera saying that they have propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip because they don't want a real government in the Gaza Strip.
Because it's far better for them to run this occupation and to eventually take the land if Hamas is...
It's like this corporate, like, transnational corporate criminal organization space.
Where transnational corporations like the banks, like J.P. Morgan, Jamie Dimon.
They were banking Jeffrey Epstein.
They don't answer to us.
They're not American.
They don't give a shit about America.
Like, they give a shit about money and power.
And they're legally required to because they're a public corporation.
That's a whole BlackRock thing we could go down.
It's crazy.
And so, like, when you look at it as people who have this globalist...
And actually, that's why people shit on Alex Jones for saying globalists.
Like, all the fucking anti-Jew people are like, just say the Jews!
And it's like, no, dude.
Like, there's way more going on here.
And the tie that binds all of them together, the Klaus Schwab's of this world, the Jeff Bezos's, and I don't know, maybe Jeff's a good guy.
I don't know.
But like the people that don't think in terms of these are my people and I love them, but rather I'm like a piece of this global community of billionaires that like our job is just to make money and fucking control the world.
Like Bill Gates is a great example.
They live outside of our world and they do not give a shit if COVID kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people or 10 million people, whatever.
And I'm generalizing because obviously they are individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's going on, but it feels to me from researching there's enough of them that are evil.
That they're doing some horrible things.
And the ones that are a little less evil, maybe they know what they're in on.
Maybe they only know some of it.
Because you don't have to disclose everything.
And these kinds of plans, like, for example, in a CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala, you're not telling everyone the whole plan.
They told him that they were going to overthrow a communist that was already taking over the...
I think they probably told him that he was a Jewish communist because they think they were riding on like FDR's second in command was Henry Morgenthau Jr. And he was deeply aligned with the Jewish, like the rich Jewish kind of powers in the world at that day.
And there was a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment back then.
And so I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like.
This guy's a fucking Jewish plant and he's part of the Rothschild thing and he's a communist, we need to overthrow him.
And Smedley didn't buy it.
Smedley collected fucking research on them and he went to FDR and he exposed the whole plot.
But the problem was that FDR couldn't do anything because these people, titans of industry, like the Bushes of the World, the Fords, I don't even know all their names at this point.
It's been a while since I did that dig.
He couldn't do anything, and so nothing happened.
He couldn't charge them because they just said, you just got out of the Great Depression, we will fuck your economy up.