Adam Curry reveals how a low-level dental infection, detected via 360 MRI by periodontist Maverick, caused his long-term sinus and hearing issues, debunking fluoride’s necessity while citing CIA-linked fluoridation claims. Rogan and Curry critique pharmaceutical ads at the Grammys, LGBTQ political exploitation, and distorted narratives like "transgenocide," contrasting it with decentralized media’s potential to empower creators. Curry dismisses meme coins as scams but defends Bitcoin’s role as digital gold, while Rogan explores Cold War-era psyops, including CIA ties to Scorpions’ Winds of Change and Jackson Pollock’s art. They expose USAID funding controversies—$59M for migrant stays at the Roosevelt Hotel, $80M revoked by Trump—and warn of open borders as economic manipulation. Concluding with optimism for local podcasts like Godcaster.fm, they stress transparency and free speech, ending with Rogan’s praise for Curry’s No Agenda work. [Automatically generated summary]
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So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy.
For 10 years.
It was so bad.
I'd go out to dinner.
Even when we moved out to Fredericksburg, We come into Austin.
I thought it was Austin.
I'm serious.
I'm like, Austin has given me this stuff.
We go out to dinner, start eating, and then my nose, my eyes, everything just, and I have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket.
Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about, I think, the last time I was here.
And Maverick, my periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs.
He says, you know, ma'am, you've got some low-level infection here.
And that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff.
Now, I'd had hearing aids for five years.
So when he did the initial extraction, I think I took one or two shows off, and then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on, and like, whoa, I thought I'd hit something, you know, a volume knob or something.
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You know, it's an interesting subject because candy and sugar is really what caused all this horrible tooth decay in people.
And the goofy fucking solution that someone came up with along the way was putting fluoride in the water.
Which is so goddamned insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water.
I don't want to take even a political position on this.
I just want to look at this from a human lens.
There is something that people do where even if something is obviously stupid, if it's a part of a system...
And there's enough air quotes experts that have endorsed this, regardless of the fact that we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised, experts are...
You could put in...
You could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it, and experts will tell you he definitely didn't do it.
So we know this for a fact.
But still, people argue on the side of the experts.
And I've seen this about fluoride, and it's so mind-boggling.
There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride It's a neurotoxin.
We know it's bad for you in large doses, and yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides it's done in preventing tooth decay.
And we're sitting down and we're having a good time.
We're talking about stuff.
He says, so what do you think about Florida?
He said, should not be in the water.
He's like, you're wrong!
And this is only a couple years ago.
And now he's come back and he said, oh man.
Did he apologize?
Yeah, of course.
This was drilled into my head.
What I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.
And a lot of this, you know, they had this fluoride waste product, basically, they needed to get rid of.
And from what I understand, it was Alcoa.
I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa who made these deals.
And who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association.
And that's how fluoride got into our water.
And we got this kind of psyop of it's good for you.
I knew it was wrong in 2000. And there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes.
It was written by a guy called Tim Weiner.
It used to be New York Times.
And it was all about the CIA. And it's a great book because my uncle was in it many times.
Donald Gregg.
He's still with us.
He's 95 or 96. And he was really high up in the CIA. He was part of OSS back in the day.
And in it, it talks about how the agents would go in, fluoridate, The enemy's camp water so they could go in at night and they were docile and they could pull him out and they could kind of attack him.
And I said, Uncle Don, is this true?
He says, yeah, pretty much how I remember it.
I'm like, well, of course.
So the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water.
There's natural levels of different minerals, and there's different stuff.
And this one area had a fairly high natural level of fluoride, and these people had, like, great oral hygiene.
Whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or a convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride, you know, you've got to look many layers into all this kind of stuff.
Because they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long?
And how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water?
And how many people have built mansions and have fucking Mercedes-Benz that are tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water?
And that's a deep system.
To try to untangle after 50, 60 years of doing this.
And I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first 10 all had a pharmaceutical product which had never heard of, a name I can't remember, and side effects literally included death.
I'm like, what is going on with this?
Ask your doctor.
I'm like, do I have this?
Should I have this?
Do I want this?
I mean, is this going on with me?
And people are all happy in the commercials.
They're like, look, my skin looks good and I'm happy and I have a beautiful family.
Yeah, and you're just fucked up in the head, and you're depressed, and, like, you don't know why, but now your zits are gone.
Like, hey!
Slow down!
That was not in that commercial with the lady dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic, and they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together.
Well, of course, they've tried all kinds of things to stop this, and First Amendment comes up, although we have stopped tobacco advertisements, and there's all kinds of things that have been done throughout the years.
But what happened with television is all the money, I mean, really, 60, 70, maybe 80% of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies.
That's why there's also no reporting.
Like, we're not going to bite the hand that feeds us.
Like, could you imagine if, let's say, a network has a...
Prominent news organization and that news organization is very popular and it's a big part of their ratings and it's a reliable source of information for you know People that believe them.
And they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies, but then they also have a crime show on.
And this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people, and they hide the data, and then they arrest him at the end of the show.
But she comes out, and she does this whole list of USAID, which is very little money.
And I think...
Our president is very smart.
He's showing us things that enables people like Mike Benz and you and I to have these conversations about...
Because it's not ideological that USAID, which is not USAID, this is like one of these psyops right up top, like Federal Express is not owned by the government.
Federal Reserve is not owned by the government.
USAID is the Agency for International Development, not aid.
And we see on television, there goes another pallet onto the C-130.
But what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these dance parties and things, if you look at these countries, these are countries where we want to keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbents, and the way to garner support is to...
And I really love how they added the cue.
That just became so clear to me all of a sudden.
If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts.
These are people who feel that they've been marginalized.
Psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways, old people, puppies, and children.
And I followed this.
It started around 2012, not coincidental, when, you know about Smith-Month, the Smith-Month Act?
So that's, you know, it was a law that was put in since the Church Commission, you can't propagandize the American people.
Defense Department and others went to the government and said, well, you know, like, we're on the Internet now, we might accidentally, you know, push some propaganda on people.
It started with...
I know, because John Dvorak and I, we followed it on no agenda.
Started with bullying, then it was, we needed anti-bullying laws, and we're literally going, like, what happened to sticks and stones will break my bones, or punch the bully in his nose?
No, no, no.
Then the teachers, and then we got hate speech laws, not actually laws, but, you know, hate speech punishments, and this kept building up until you...
Guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Society, all of these different trade groups, that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide.
And that is a horrible thing that they've done.
Think about these parents who may or may not one day wake up and go, what have I done?
Well, someone was talking about this the other day, that this is the real problem, is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children, and they cannot face the reality of what they've done, and so they're going to dig their heels in forever, and they're going to talk about gender-affirming care.
But the thing is, that's a small percentage of people.
They chuck them up in the air so we always have something to fight about.
So we're not paying attention to the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff that's really important.
And this is just a part of this inter...
Tangled web of psyops that's been running our culture.
I mean, I would say our government, but it's everything, right?
So it's the government has established its hooks in us and put fear and law and rules.
And the more law and the more rules, the better, because the more likely you're going to break a few of them, and then you're going to shut the fuck up.
And they've got these fucking things everywhere.
It's just allowing them to run this mafia business.
And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable, educated people that have Stockholm Syndrome.
They don't want to admit that even their people, their cherished heroes like Obama, was a part of this.
All these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it.
And fortunately today, we have the convenient...
Access to YouTube instantaneously, where you could watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things.
Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA. About deportations.
And that if you stay, you have to pay a stiff fine.
I mean, the whole thing is, it's cyclical, right?
Like, this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship.
It's not real.
It's not that there's a good group of kind, compassionate, educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racists who want to bring that back to Confederate flag.
That's not what's going on.
There's people that are nice, kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and...
Kindness and also sternness and rule of law and you can't just let violent criminals out in the street and hey, maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the prison industrial complex when there's no rehabilitation, like no real concerted efforts to completely change these people and studies.
And it probably could be done with psychedelic drugs.
They probably can do some things with people.
Especially non-violent criminals that are trying to figure out, like, why have I been stealing from people my whole life?
Like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
Unless they're a legitimate psychopath, they have no empathy.
There's people that can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of continual abuse in their life.
And there's ways to...
Rick Perry has been really brave in this case because he's a former Republican governor of Texas and now he's advocating for Ibogaine therapy, particularly for veterans, for guys who come over, they've seen the most horrific shit, their brain is in a shambles and they want to do something and they have no help in these...
Pills that just dull their mind and make them feel detached from reality and all these fucking antidepressants and things they give them.
And they want to fucking end their life.
And they can go and get therapy that cures 80% of them with one dose and it's like 95% with two doses.
It's fucking nuts, man.
And we've been hiding this because...
Because of the sweeping Schedule I Drug Act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents.
It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and anybody who was a problem with the government.
So they just said, let's just make all these things that these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal.
Not only just Schedule I. Like, with no medical use whatsoever.
Things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years.
And it's all the same shit.
It's all psyops.
It's all psyops.
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People are like, wow, it's so cool you got that black guy on your station.
I'm like, I'm black?
Oh, cool.
So I was John Holden, the 23-year-old black guy who drives a Harley.
But the point was, it was liberating.
I could speak my mind, and everything felt so stifling.
Now we go forward, 1993. And I'm on MTV. I'm the hair of Generation X. I'm on Z100 in New York, number one station.
And I'm also on the internet.
You know, I'd set up MTV.com.
It was very, very slim.
We had dial-up modems at the time.
And it was so restrictive.
You can't...
They let me do my own material, but they had censorship called a line producer.
Like, oh, now we've got to burn that segment.
You said something bad about Richard Marks.
Oh, you said something that was off-color about Madonna.
Oh, we can't do that.
The radio was the same.
It was, you know, like, read the liner card, you know, and then always end with Z100. There was a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco, and he said, Adam, I see what you're doing with MTV.com on the web.
Yeah, 3.1 and an Apple II. I was more Apple guy at the time.
And so I hooked it up to my 56k mode.
I dial in and he says, watch this.
And I'm on the phone with him.
He says, watch this.
And up on my screen pops a little player.
And he's streaming in PC. We didn't have MP3s back then.
PCM, pulse code modulation.
Nine inch nails.
I'm like...
This is broadcasting.
I'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting, because think about how we can use this outside of all the systems.
And so 2003, now we're 10 years later, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs, and I see my first iPod, and it's like, snap, crackle, pop.
Hold on a second.
This is amazing.
We can combine.
This is a radio.
This is not a music device.
It's radio.
So I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program on.
So the show was an album and then each track was an episode number.
And then I immediately started doing a show.
What I do is just try to get people involved.
That's how Daily Source Code started because I was trying to get software developers in.
And then two years later, three years later, Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me about putting this into the iPod and making it official, making a podcasting thing in iTunes.
And I'm like, this is so perfect because now you have this RSS feed which you control.
No one else can control what you do with your RSS feed and anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show.
And then 20 years later, I see the...
The President of the United States wrapping up his campaign with Joe Rogan on a podcast, completely being himself, being a dude for, by the way, props for you sticking to your guns.
They're always so thankful that I built this comedy club.
I'm like, I think this thing built itself.
I think it was just, I was a thing that it did through me.
It caught me because it knew that I was capable of doing it and impulsive enough and brash enough to say, fuck it, let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens.
What that is, is you have a desire to be doing the same thing.
This person is doing this thing.
They are in the movie.
They are on the TV show.
They are headlining at the club and you feel bad because it's not you.
So you decide that they are bad.
And so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you and you don't do all the logical objective reasoning that allows you to go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, they didn't do anything wrong.
It's just me." And then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist because they do understand that people are mad at them now.
So then they're like, fuck those people.
Those people are fucking losers.
And it's bad for everybody.
It's bad for everybody.
The correct way to do it is to go, wow, look at what this person has accomplished.
It's, again, the same thing as Florida in the water.
It's a fucking psyop.
It's a ploy.
And it's a way to keep us, instead of empowering people, to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration.
That's what they are.
They're fuel for you.
You can use them.
Whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar is doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration.
That's a fuel.
And you can use it correctly.
Or you can fuck your whole life up by paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way.
This is part of the problem with kids.
And social media.
Because kids are supposed to see, like, oh, look at Bobby.
He's nice to everybody, and everybody likes Bobby.
Be like Bobby.
Like, look at Mark.
He's fucking awesome at the guitar, and everybody wants to go see him play.
I want someone to come see me do something.
I wish I was good at something, as Mark is at guitar.
And that's what's supposed to, like, raise us all up.
There's a lot of people out there that have the inclination that just don't get that spark, which is also one of the things we're trying to do at the club, which is also why we have...
He locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day, and it's just...
That guy only gives a fuck.
Fuck about the art.
Like, he's about the craft.
And, like, so all the bullshit that came along with living in Hollywood, like, he would just come hanging out at the comedy store all the time.
That was just, because it was like, oh, you guys are real.
Like, I can hang with you.
We'd just be cracking up and hanging.
So when he came out here, I was like, fuck.
And then Ron White came out here.
I'm like, goddammit.
And then, you know, it's like, oh, I fucking love it.
It's fucking airports, a breeze.
No traffic.
Everyone's nice.
It's the middle of the country.
I was like, fuck.
And then the pandemic happened, and it was like it all pulled me to the spot.
And then it had to be the Spotify thing, and then it had to be the comedy store shutting down for a year, and then it had to be all the comedy store employees that I loved were all unemployed.
And so then it was like, okay, let's fucking do this.
It was definitely costing you money and I had young kids and it was just like why am I why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money because especially back then It was like I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore So I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television So I had a tour a lot so I was doing stand-up and I was doing like way too many dates with the UFC the UFC Although I love it to death.
He has this huge ham radio rig, and that's like, I've been a ham for a long time, and that's like if you have a, we call it a QSL. QSO. That's ham code for a conversation.
We can't play music in podcasts because of all these different And so, you know, if you perform something on the radio or in a live stream, that's a performance right, which, you know, the club plays for that, too, if you're playing any music.
So that's ASCAP BMI. Then you have the publishing right.
Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it.
So that's another group over here.
So you have the publishers, then the record companies.
And they just could never agree, and they've locked themselves in so tight.
That the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts.
They've painted themselves into a corner, and we all know now that most artists, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify, and you get a penny after a couple of years.
I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony can all of a sudden explode out of nowhere with one song.
And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time.
I think it was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV. And it was because they had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left.
And so they had decided that MTV is going to keep all of their talent.
You don't have this because you're so established, but his team, and he's talked about this, micromanage every second of each video, every cut, the poster images, all these things, and it's all about...
Time spent viewing.
If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful.
I mean, it's really, in order to hook the algos, get everything rolling, you have to bring that down to a science.
And of course...
I mean, this is not for you and I, I don't think, because you have to always keep feeding the machine.
You've got to keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it.
You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel.
That was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ.
Because it was really, it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film.
It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system.
Well, and so you have smaller studios now like Angel Studios, and they're in Utah, and they crowdfunded The Chosen, which is the story of Jesus, and it's, I mean, unbelievable.
They're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it, and it's all crowdfunding.
At the end of the season, the credits are like...
15 minutes.
Everybody who donated, and everybody who donated X amount, they get to be extras on the set.
I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff.
If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie that are telling you what to do.
All the money people, all the executives.
It must be so hard.
You have to be like a Quentin Tarantino who's like, just leave him alone, leave him alone, let him do his magic.
So, like, whatever it is, whether you're talking about quantum physics or whether you're talking about human psychology or ancient history, I want the best version of you and I want to, like, kind of help you get the best version out.
And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that from you.
And I think that the whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so...
Bad for getting to know a human being.
And I guarantee you, I've seen interviews where she's really funny.
I've talked about it before, but I'll say it again.
There's this one interview, she's talking about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time, and her mother-in-law grabbed her face like, oh, you're so beautiful!
And it's very funny.
And she laughs, and she laughs in a genuine way.
It's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes, where it seems like it's orchestrated.
Well, they're crying out for help, is what they're doing.
They're crying out for help.
They've been psyoped.
I mean...
I'm only on X. I gave up Facebook and Instagram.
I'm not interested.
And X I really only use as kind of an inbox.
People will send me stuff and things for the show.
But early on when Blue Cry was still a secret project within Twitter that Jack Dorsey was running, I knew some people who were in that secret project.
And so I have an account.
And I went on there the other day.
I'm like, oh, my Lord, this is horrible.
These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other.
And I was like, I don't know how.
We have to figure out a way.
And, you know, President Trump says success will bring us together.
I think that's probably true.
But, you know, we can't just.
I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them.
It's like, ah, look at these stupid libs.
They're idiots.
They're crazy.
And I just feel that...
You know, you gotta love them and not hate them.
You don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said, but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations.
And you're also, you have enemies forever that could have been your friends.
There's no reason for it.
It's not good for you.
It's not good for them.
And it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that.
Like, fuck those people forever for life.
You really shouldn't do that.
It's not good.
Especially if those people feel bad.
If they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes.
Yeah, that's what life's about.
You've got to be able to understand that in the past you've made mistakes and grow.
And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown, do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing, well, then we're hypocrites.
Well, that's the same with COVID. I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't want to take, and they will never forgive them.
Like, I won't forget.
Forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously, but they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation, and they're held in their own prison of anger, and it's with their own family members.
I mean, that...
It's almost like, did that happen?
That just went, we're now back.
What are we doing?
All these things have gone so fast.
We had an attempt on a president's life, and it's like, we don't know anything.
Our heads are on a swivel spinning around.
What is going on?
And the drones.
What about the drones?
So the drone thing...
For me, it was so odd.
First of all, there's a base over there and they're testing some drone technology.
But people in the United States, but really around the world, this is how we go through life.
Well, this is another argument for deregulation too, because when it comes to innovation, the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level, sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license.
We used to dream of—I think I had databelt.com at one point.
I dreamt about, you know, wouldn't it be great if we all have these satellites and they're circling around and we call it the databelt and we'd have all this stuff and, you know, all these things.
I can just see the delight of—and, of course, a lot of—it's, you know, SpaceX.
These are very sophisticated NASA people.
You know, there's all kinds—the best of the best is in there.
I'm sure you've got the one that says, this is my favorite Bitcoin scam.
It's like, okay, I've installed a spyware on your computer, and I saw what you were doing looking at that porn site, and I've recorded everything, and I'm going to release it all to your friends and on your social media if you don't send me $2,000 in Bitcoin right away.
Don't even think about contacting the authorities.
Have you ever gotten that one?
They've sophisticated it even more now.
They'll use your name?
And your address.
Like, I know you live at this address.
It's freaky, man.
So that kind of stuff would be nice if we could have AI protect us from that.
This will continue to go up until we're long gone.
It's very interesting.
So I don't believe in shit coins at all because...
Bitcoin has no CEO. There's no one in charge of it.
It's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin limit.
Now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the Boneyard guy, with John Reeves, and we said, you should have your own coin.
You bring this up in context of scams, because they are scams.
It's trouble.
So if I wanted to make a quick...
Quick amount of money, I'd have a shit coin, and I'd have my bots ready, and I'd say, hey, Joe, have you heard about my curry coin?
And you'd be like, no, wait a minute, and it would come out, and it would skyrocket, and my bots would sell it, I would make a lot of money, and it would be dumped right away.
You know, a lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin.
And why is that good?
Because people have Bitcoin, and I have some Bitcoin.
You know, I've been saving my Bitcoin for a long time.
Instead of selling it, to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity.
I can still take my tax-deductible write-off.
They can do one of two things.
Convert it right away into dollars.
No capital gains because it's the same minute.
So I've actually been able to give more than I would have.
Or they can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term.
I really, really believe in Bitcoin and what we're seeing now.
Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944. We were nearing the end of the war.
D-Day was coming.
Maybe it just happened.
We're getting pretty close.
And Europe, in particular, was very worried that after the war, they would fall into the same Great Depression that happened after World War I, when we had the Great Depression.
So they brought in all the economists and all the money.
and people got on the Queen Mary and went to the States to Bretton Woods.
They all got together and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world.
I'm not an economist, but I've looked at this long enough to understand it.
And when they came out after two weeks, they said, okay, we're going to have this thing called the International Monetary Fund, the IMF, and they're going to...
Managed the interest rates, or they managed the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency.
So we became the money of the world, and we back it by gold.
And the idea was $1 could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold.
When you're the reserve currency, everyone has to have the dollar.
So everybody wanted our dollar.
What did we do?
We signed the Marshall Plan.
We sent tens, just billions of dollars over.
All our companies went into Europe, started building factories.
So the dollar kept going in.
All these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money.
And then people got a little worried about the dollar.
They looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the goal to back that up in Fort Knox?
Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over.
And then you get into this thing called the Triffin Dilemma.
And that means that...
When you are the reserve currency, your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything.
I'm skipping over a lot, but that's where we are today.
Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar.
This is why President Trump is saying, All our money is flowing out towards you.
We need to get some of that back, so we're going to raise tariffs.
I think it's a short-term solution.
So I think two things will happen.
One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about, the sovereign wealth fund.
So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things.
It'll be valued at this astronomical amount.
And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the president promised.
Now we get stable coins.
This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened.
So a stablecoin is a digital dollar.
It's pegged to the dollar, so it's always a dollar.
And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything.
It's already being used all over the world.
The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stablecoin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up.
So they buy America's debt, they get treasury bonds or T-bills, which actually pays a dividend.
So you get interest on that.
And for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stablecoin.
So if you look at the company Tether, they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries.
They have $160 billion worth of U.S. debt, and for each of those dollars, they've created a stablecoin, which now people can use all over the world transacting.
And what's their business?
There's like 50 people in the company.
So they have $160 billion at 4% interest annually.
They're making bank just for holding this debt.
So I think President Trump is very smart, and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stablecoin, and you kind of get a two-for-one.
You create a dollar of debt, but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency.
And that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar-a-Lago Accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly, but also still remain the reserve currency and remain the strong export country that we need to be.
What do we do?
We don't make anything that we sell abroad.
We can't all be serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes.
We have to build something.
And all of that went overseas.
Everything.
Everything we got.
All of the stuff on this table.
This, you know, it didn't come out of his butt.
This is from China.
Although, I don't know.
So there's something big coming, really big, and it has to happen.
And Trump is a very meta guy.
People misunderstand.
He's going to refi the country.
He's a real estate guy.
He's going to figure out a way to refi it, and it'll be digital.
And a lot of the Bitcoiners don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money that the whole world uses.
You know, that may one day happen, but, you know, now it's more like the digital gold.
You know, you can keep your value in it.
And, you know, I can send a billion dollars.
If I had it, I could send a billion dollars to another country, to another person in 10 minutes.
And, you know, no one can stop me.
So it's a very useful tool, but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended.
But it's going to be a very important part of it.
I think you'll see Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve.
It's easier than sending gold, you know, than, oh, I'm going to ship you a billion dollars worth of gold.
I need, you know, armored cars.
I need dudes, everything.
Security and ships and whatever.
So it'll be a part of it, and you'll still be able to use it between people.
But it looks to me like Stablecoin, Tether in particular, is going to be the future of the U.S. dollar payments.
And this is where a lot of people on the right, certainly, are very afraid of.
Control grid, you know, because a stable coin is not necessarily like Bitcoin.
You can stop it.
You can control it.
You can see who sent what to whom.
There's a lot of fear about this.
And particularly, although I don't see any maliciousness, there's fear that Elon and the PayPal mafia and Peter Thiel, all guys you've met, all guys you've had on the show, I think are actually quite nice people.
That they're going to bring in the new with AI and we're all going to be locked in.
Stargate will bring cancer mRNA vaccines that will be mandated.
I mean, people are spinning up over this stuff.
And I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong or there should be no concern, but we are moving towards a digital dollar, and it will have aspects of control, which is why I like the backup of Bitcoin, so I can still...
Transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it.
And you're gonna get none of that with a shit coin.
I mean, it was sad for these kids because they were just all excited and doing stuff.
I mean, I've been in...
I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital, and when you get them all googly-gaga over, oh, this guy was so cool, he was sitting in the pitch meeting, and he was playing a video game, but he's such a genius!
I mean, what?
Are you kidding me?
Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated.
Just enough to become a dude and then we're good to go.
It's just another example of big money being stupid.
Maybe they could just admit that.
They pushed her.
I know how it goes.
I remember we had a pod show.
Which was a lot of sophisticated investors, Kleiner and Sequoia.
Same people, Elon.
I met Elon when they launched Tesla.
I was at the hangar where they did the first test drives.
It was interesting.
And I was like, this guy seems like on the spectrum.
He's not really talking much.
It's like, what's going on here?
What's happening with this?
And, you know, so we were doing podcasting, so this is right after, maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into iTunes and the iPod, and so there was money coming in, and, you know, the first thing they said is, you've got to be in San Francisco.
Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be is San Francisco?
It took them a long time, I think, to make that profitable inside of Google, because if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video, and, I mean, it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent.
So I think it took a long time.
They never really reported the numbers.
We've done that in the past couple of years with how much revenue.
And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country.
And it went, I think it went, Curry, black name, Hill Country, there's probably about 50 churches where he is.
Boom, right away, I'm getting black preachers, hellstone, brim, oh yeah, and it's just like, and on and on and on.
It's been phenomenal.
And some of these guys are pretty good.
The ones that fall back, you know, and the guy catches them every single time.
And so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want.
They're not trying to do like us, like meta or I'm not sure about X how that works, but let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter argument.
Like when I was on the last time and I talked about my coming to Jesus.
Dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this one bit.
And if you looked at it one time, you get the same over and over again.
You get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth.
That's all.
Not anyone going...
Yeah, you guys are crazy!
You know, this is no good.
None of that.
So it's a very friendly...
It's kind of the Chinese model.
It's like, give people what they want and don't try to interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional.
So it's very different.
It's a very different concept.
I don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion.
Those kooky people are getting so much traction and that was the thought that it was a Chinese psyop that they were accentuating all these people and that was like ruining the culture of America because it was showing you all these Blue-haired psychopaths with beards and lipstick and nail polish.
And really, there's a guy, he came up with the law of large numbers.
And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow.
So if I'm talking about something here, if they...
Boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go.
I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening.
It's not an algorithm thing.
It's literally like a law of nature thing.
That's the way it will flow, and you can start injecting things to the right nodes, and you'll propagate some message.
I think it's happening all the time, everywhere.
Once you start looking, it's like, well, where's...
Do you get those videos when you're interested in a topic and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you and about five minutes in you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together and it's a new version of it and I'm not learning anything?
We grew up in a time where there was no internet, and you were going outside to do things, and people did physical activities.
But then as we got older, we recognized that there's this new technology that's connecting the whole world in this weird way, and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that.
You know, there's, in the 60s, so I've been, ever since I got saved and become a believer,
I've really learned about our American history, and I've been blown away by how much Because a lot of, you know, you can talk about the 60s and when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on Schedule 1. That was the exact same time when the Bible was basically taken out of school and it was, you know, and I think the church in general, you know, kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became a thing you do over there on Sundays.
I'm not sure how much of that it does, but when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers.
The Google server then transcribes it and sends it back to your phone.
It's not happening on the phone.
It's happening on Google servers, and they probably keep all of that, or my voice, or whatever.
There's a company in Austin called FUTO, F-U-T-O, and they have an open-source voice-to-text system that don't keep your transcripts, and they're some good guys.
So Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's a rock.
It's just a rock.
And there's a structure around it.
And like, okay, you know, it's a rock.
And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock, but some guy in church who was 90 years old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock.
So that's the rock.
You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones a few episodes ago with somebody.
Did you know that we have an actual Guidestone in America in Plymouth?
So they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way...
We could find our way back.
You know when they talk about, America was built on Christian values.
Like, what does that mean?
What does that even mean, Christian values?
I mean, even the word Christian is like, that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers.
So, in the middle is faith.
That's her name, faith.
And it's four sides.
And one is law.
Education, morality, and liberty.
And has all these cool inscriptions.
It's really something amazing to see.
And I believe that's the formula that we need to get back.
You actually, you live like this.
Joe Rogan lives these four sides.
You live, you understand law, morality, education, and liberty.
And if we can get back to that, you know, that would be just...
In fact, so all of our early presidents...
All of them live by the Bible.
Every single one of them.
They wrote about it.
They studied it.
1778, one of the first acts of a Congress was to print a Bible for everybody.
So I brought you...
This is done by a group called the Wall Builders.
And David Barton, he has all...
These are the receipts.
So it's a Bible, but it has three-quarters of that book is...
Writings by our early presidents all the way up through Reagan.
And this David Barton guy, he has all of these originals.
I think he lives in Aledo, Texas.
And it shows you what our code was in the early days up until the 60s.
And that's when we got this big argument about, oh, we can't have...
The First Amendment is the right to establish a religion.
And that has been...
Perverted throughout the years to say, well, you can't have the Bible in schools, and the government can't tell you to do this, and you can't be talking about—the Hall of Congress used to be a church.
I mean, that's how we started.
And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or saved by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law.
Where those guys created it from.
You know, the receipts are in the Declaration of Independence.
Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us.
You know, they all say the government shall not infringe.
The government may not do this.
It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our creator.
And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America...
We might get a bit more on path, which is why certainly all the Jesus freaks are like, President Trump is talking about God.
He says God saved him to save America.
A president is a big deal when he does stuff like that.
Just look at the people around us.
Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
There's a lot of people who are now starting to see this.
I know you love history.
That's why I bought that for you.
Because when you see where it comes from, a lot of things start to be clear.
And that sculpture, that was like, I had no idea it was there.
I'd never heard of it.
It's not in any books.
But it's kind of a template for where we came from.
And I think it's kind of important that we look at that as well as, you know, all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media.
And we can't just...
Be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, Elon, stomp the libs.
We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other.
It doesn't have to be God.
I would like it to be, but people got to find that.
It's interesting because some of that, like how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk.
I don't know.
But at the end of the day, we got to see that this was not a good direction.
This is a terrible direction.
I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did was when she went on The View and they asked her, what would you do differently?
And if you reward victim mentality, then people look to become victims.
And so when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems, as if that makes any of the things she's saying make sense, because she has all these problems.
This is a part of the PSYOP of USAID. And the PSYOP of just the government in general, these control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power.
We know it's real, and we know people are pilfering.
And if you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business.
And, once that's established, and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail.
And so they're going to try to stop you from investigating it.
As I'm sure Mike told you, and I can't wait to see it, it's not just fraud.
It is the actual system.
Instead of us being open, and I think like Trump is doing, like, hey, we're just going to have terrorists on you, NATO, you don't like it, boom, we're not going to protect you.
You know, we've got to be fair about this.
You can't just be ripping us off.
We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and non-profits.
And thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done.
But the people, when they think of CIA and, you know, these types of agencies, they always think, you know, dart guns and, you know, secret stuff.
But no, it's really subversive writing articles.
And my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence backgrounds.
So I've heard...
You know what I learned?
This is crazy.
So my uncle was...
Big in the CIA. He was basically Tulsi Gabbard to Bush Sr. when he was VP. And then, you know, like, Iran-Contra happened, and, you know, he basically became ambassador to Korea.
He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post.
My aunt passed away a couple years back.
And when my cousin was doing her eulogy...
She said Aunt Meg actually outranked Uncle Don in the CIA. She ran the Russia desk, spoke fluent Russian, but had promised never to tell anybody, not even her own kids.
I'm like, what?
Aunt Meg spoke fluent Russian and ran the Russia desk for the CIA and outranked Uncle Don?
Like, that's some crazy stuff.
Crazy.
And all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real, real bad guys.
I mean, I went to—this is my own USAID story.
So in 1988, I think it was, we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival.
Do you remember that?
No.
And this is before the wall came down, and I was the only MTV person who went.
It was 1990. And I think, I can't remember, I think they might have been phonetically singing along with it in Lennon Stadium when we were there, because it was a number one hit.
Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Benz got into with the music business, that they do sort of finance these disruptive kind of songs and political movements.
As a person who's broadcasting to millions of people, it's a very important quality.
But it's an important quality for human beings.
Know why you think about something.
Is this just a knee-jerk reaction?
Or is this well thought out?
Are you being objective?
Or are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just ignoring?
This is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USAID stuff.
Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization that they're not looking at the craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed.
They somehow or another are gaslighting themselves and all their followers to say that, no, this is aid.
People are going to starve to death.
There's food that's rotting.
Meanwhile, I think I'm pretty sure even when they passed this thing where they were trying to put a stop on USAID, they gave exemptions for food and medicine.
But when you see Rachel Maddow, who has come back, you know, for the first hundred days, she's doing a show every single day, and she's blatantly lying.
I mean, literally, like, factually, clearly lying.
A lot of people won't watch anything.
You know, they've been told Joe Rogan is part of the bro-casting and, you know, this right-wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to, you know, to propagandize, and people are...
I mean, I have family members who truly believe that President Trump will take away their Social Security.
Like, he's saying quite the opposite.
And by the way, he can't take it away.
Only Congress can take it away.
USAID... Created by executive order by President Kennedy can be shut by executive order by President Trump.
It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be, and like, oh, yeah, man, I'm doing all this.
Four federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs.
There you go.
Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions which have been standard for years through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration.
However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies, but they put a freeze on the payments.
Top FEMA official is fired over payments to New York City migrant shelters.
Trump administration fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer and three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services.
City officials raced to clarify that the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under President Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and had not been spent on luxury hotels.
Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's acting director Cameron Hamilton announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed, and that personnel will be held accountable.
But is this a recent payment, and did they put a freeze on payments, even if the payment had been properly allocated by Biden?
I started a thing called Godcaster.fm, and it's...
It's tailored towards helping radio stations do this, but I think churches are content factories, and they're not just all talking about Jesus and God.
They're doing stuff in the community.
That's what churches used to do, and they're doing stuff at the high schools, and you got kids in there.
I want a thousand podcasts within a year all over America of local people, and it's so easy to do now.
It's become so possible.
And I think that local communities will even sponsor it.
That's the next level.
That's my phase, too.
That's the next level we have to get to, is...
Where people just get a microphone, talk to your city council person.
You know, this is nuts.
All it is is national news presented by heads on television.
And who needs that nonsense?
You know, you're an exception and you're really important.
But we need to have this at a local level.
And it's never been a better...
You want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it in your local community?
I went to a few of these things, like these dinners and stuff.
The balls?
The balls.
And it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money.
And so it's very transactional, and everybody's hyper-aggressive to get photographs and talk to people, and they interject themselves into conversations, interrupt, stand right in front of people that you're talking to, and want pictures, or want to introduce themselves, and it's...
It's very entitled and very transactional.
But I think that's always been the nature of politics, particularly people.
The reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money.
In 1967. Let's just leave the family members out of it.
But someone brought home a colleague from work, and the colleague had dinner and had coffee, and then at dessert, the wife was sitting there, had been talking to this person, and then this colleague took off his mask, and it was someone who the wife knew extremely well and had no idea.
1967. Whoa!
So imagine what they can do now.
The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video, I think that's just old.