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Joe Rogan Experience #2273 - Adam Curry
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unidentified
the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day bullshit I never got it until this year but that's what they said That's what they say.
adam curry
You get it within a couple years, you get it, and then all of a sudden, you got it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they are.
It's not bad.
adam curry
I could hear it the other day.
I heard it.
joe rogan
Stuffiness?
Yeah, I heard it.
Yeah, I had it for like four days.
I've had stuffiness.
But the thing is, like, when I work out, I feel great.
The way I can really tell, like, the way I judge whether or not I should even work out is when I get in the sauna in the cold plunge.
If I feel tired and weak when I'm in there, then I know something's going on.
It's not as simple as allergies.
adam curry
So I thought for 10 years I had the Austin allergy.
For 10 years.
It was so bad.
I'd go out to dinner.
Even when we moved out to Fredericksburg, We come into Austin.
I thought it was Austin.
I'm serious.
I'm like, Austin has given me this stuff.
We go out to dinner, start eating, and then my nose, my eyes, everything just, and I have to always excuse myself, always have to have tissues in my back pocket.
Then I got my teeth done, which we talked about, I think, the last time I was here.
And Maverick, my periodontist, he did one of these 360 MRIs.
He says, you know, ma'am, you've got some low-level infection here.
And that could be responsible for a whole bunch of stuff.
Now, I'd had hearing aids for five years.
So when he did the initial extraction, I think I took one or two shows off, and then I went back in the studio, put my headphones on, and like, whoa, I thought I'd hit something, you know, a volume knob or something.
Came back.
joe rogan
Your hearing came back.
adam curry
Because this was infected and it was basically clogging up my sinuses and that was affecting the hearing.
joe rogan
Having a mouth infection like that is very dangerous, isn't it?
adam curry
People have no idea how important oral health is.
It's really, really critical.
And also, I feel better because I'm not fighting infection continuously.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
How did it all start?
What was going on with your teeth?
adam curry
I had a bad start in life.
When I was two or three, we're living in Uganda, and my parents would put me to sleep with a chocolate cookie.
So I had kind of a bad start, you know, and I had a lot of work.
I had, you know, just tons of fillings on my baby teeth.
Everything was messed up.
Then I had the big outboard headgear, which really...
Traumatized me for life, taking that to school.
I was one of those guys.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It was bad.
And about 10 years ago, maybe a little bit more, I went to a dentist here in Austin.
And, you know, he's like, you know, we really got to start doing stuff.
We got to start looking at repairing.
And then this dentist started hitting on me and texting me.
And, you know, I'm like, oh, great.
joe rogan
Guy or girl?
unidentified
Guy.
adam curry
Damn.
Like, no, no, no, no, no.
And I knew that there was a Pandora's box in there.
joe rogan
How wild is that?
Like, what a risky move.
adam curry
It was so dumb.
joe rogan
You're a married straight guy.
unidentified
It's like, yeah, I think I can get him now.
adam curry
He can be on our team.
joe rogan
That is such a man.
And move.
It's such a thing that men would do.
It's so stupid.
adam curry
You're like, I'm here with some buddies of mine, you know, sending a picture.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
They're all shirtless and fucking wearing cowboy hats.
Yeehaw!
adam curry
I'm not going back.
I'm good.
And then Tina and I, you know, we got together.
We moved out to Fredericksburg.
And she's real big on, you know, preventative anything.
You know, her car has the oil, everything on time.
Everything's all set.
And her teeth, of course, are impeccable.
joe rogan
That's not like a good fit for you.
adam curry
Totally.
joe rogan
You need an organized lady.
adam curry
I had a credit score of 350. Oh, no.
I didn't have credit cards.
I was just cash.
I didn't care.
I had cash flow.
Everything's good.
I don't care.
She straightened me out.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, big time.
joe rogan
Disorganized men very much need organized women.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
You just can't have one that turns into your mom.
adam curry
Oh, no.
That was my first wife.
joe rogan
That does happen with some of them.
Some of them, when you give them the reins and they start telling you what to do, all of a sudden, then it becomes very non-sexy.
adam curry
I will say, props to my first wife, she kept me, that was the height of my show business fame, MTV, she kept me out of trouble.
I did not participate.
unidentified
She was a good mommy.
adam curry
She was a good mom!
And she's a good mom to our daughter, you know, so, yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Well, you know, you change, they change, you need a different kind of a mom.
unidentified
Things change.
adam curry
Things change.
Yeah, so then, you know, I went through it.
Yeah, it was like, and that's also when I stopped smoking, you know, because...
Maverick called me up.
He said, hey, man, I'm going to be operating on you in a week.
Could you do me a favor and stop putting fire in your mouth?
And I've been smoking weed and tobacco since I was 15. And I quit at that moment.
I didn't ever eat.
I mean, I vape like a crazy horse.
joe rogan
Well, that's not good, is it?
adam curry
Well, that's a question.
joe rogan
You and I have gone over this, and we will go back to it.
adam curry
It's a nicotine delivery device.
Yes, that's what it is.
joe rogan
We'll get to that.
Yeah, sure.
So just cleaning out the infections, what was going on that that was fucking up your hearing?
It was like the whole area was inflamed?
adam curry
Yes, right by your sinuses, and so everything's connected.
If you hold your nose, you can hear differently.
So whatever it was doing, and it literally...
Just a couple days after he extracted more than that, but after he extracted those teeth, it just came back.
And I didn't have horrible hearing loss, but it was enough where I was sick of saying, I'm sorry, darling, what did you say?
I'm sorry.
And the moment you get to like, I didn't hear her.
I'll ask her later.
That's when I went, no, I got to get hearing aids.
I don't want to.
And it's one of the biggest reasons men...
Get depressed is when they can't hear and they kind of withdraw.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
Oh, it's a real crisis.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
Anyone, you need to go, if you think, just have your ears tested anyway.
Why not?
I mean, you get your eyes tested, get your ears tested, get your teeth taken care of.
joe rogan
So if they find out your ears are not good, do they ever check for infections?
adam curry
No.
joe rogan
Because it seems like now you should get in the medical book.
adam curry
Thank you.
Actually, he's been writing a paper on this for this very reason.
And it's only because he did the 360 MRI that he saw it.
And he also knew what to look for.
It's his expertise.
When I met this guy, I was like, he's young.
He's like in his 30s.
I'm like...
So why did you choose this profession?
He says, I like operating.
I really love doing that stuff.
I'm like, okay, you sound cool.
And it turns out he's a pilot, you know, so we've become friends.
But yeah, he says people have no idea.
And so he has been working on a paper to publish about this very thing.
It's just not known.
I talked about it on the podcast and people from all over the world like...
Really, man?
You know, I've been having hearing issues.
Get an MRI. Get a 360 MRI of your head.
joe rogan
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You know, it's an interesting subject because candy and sugar is really what caused all this horrible tooth decay in people.
And the goofy fucking solution that someone came up with along the way was putting fluoride in the water.
Which is so goddamned insane that you're taking a neurotoxin and you're putting it in the water.
I don't want to take even a political position on this.
I just want to look at this from a human lens.
There is something that people do where even if something is obviously stupid, if it's a part of a system...
And there's enough air quotes experts that have endorsed this, regardless of the fact that we've seen time and time again throughout history that experts are compromised, experts are...
You could put in...
You could have a court case for a murder and bring in experts that will tell you he definitely did it, and experts will tell you he definitely didn't do it.
So we know this for a fact.
But still, people argue on the side of the experts.
And I've seen this about fluoride, and it's so mind-boggling.
There are conclusive studies that show a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride It's a neurotoxin.
We know it's bad for you in large doses, and yet there are fucking people out there with college degrees who read the New York Times who think they're sensible people that will get angry if you want to remove this neurotoxin from water because look at all the strides it's done in preventing tooth decay.
And you just want to say, hey man, fuck you.
This is stupid.
adam curry
I went to dinner at Mitch's house.
joe rogan
I'm a little upset.
adam curry
No, it's okay because we're sitting down.
It's my wife, his wife.
He has one of those houses right on the airport where this plane rolls out of the garage, out of the hangar.
joe rogan
Oh, he's out of touch.
adam curry
Exactly.
I paid for that.
I paid for that hangar.
And we're sitting down and we're having a good time.
We're talking about stuff.
He says, so what do you think about Florida?
He said, should not be in the water.
He's like, you're wrong!
And this is only a couple years ago.
And now he's come back and he said, oh man.
Did he apologize?
Yeah, of course.
This was drilled into my head.
What I understand is fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum production.
And a lot of this, you know, they had this fluoride waste product, basically, they needed to get rid of.
And from what I understand, it was Alcoa.
I could be wrong, but I think it was Alcoa who made these deals.
And who knows how they set that up with the American Dental Association.
And that's how fluoride got into our water.
And we got this kind of psyop of it's good for you.
I knew it was wrong in 2000. And there was a book that came out called Legacy of Ashes.
It was written by a guy called Tim Weiner.
It used to be New York Times.
And it was all about the CIA. And it's a great book because my uncle was in it many times.
Donald Gregg.
He's still with us.
He's 95 or 96. And he was really high up in the CIA. He was part of OSS back in the day.
And in it, it talks about how the agents would go in, fluoridate, The enemy's camp water so they could go in at night and they were docile and they could pull him out and they could kind of attack him.
And I said, Uncle Don, is this true?
He says, yeah, pretty much how I remember it.
I'm like, well, of course.
So the neurotoxin has been used in actual warfare in the water.
joe rogan
To make people docile.
adam curry
Yeah, docile.
joe rogan
And the argument is so dumb because, you know, my friend Eddie Bravo had a great point.
He said...
When you get toothpaste, do you ever see toothpaste that says fluoride-free?
Why would they say that and advertise it if fluoride wasn't bad for you?
Why would they do that?
Like, why would that be a selling point?
If we've always looked for fluoride in toothpaste, my whole life.
Crest, oh, fluoride, got it.
You know, when you're going through the CVS and you're grabbing stuff and throwing it back.
It's always fluoride.
You're always looking for fluoride.
That's what kills the fucking germ.
I don't want cavities.
I don't have to go to the dentist.
Give me that fluoride.
But they're selling toothpaste without fluoride.
Why is that?
And the guy who was saying it to, like, had this look at his face, like, he was trapped.
He was trapped.
So you don't think fluoride is good for you?
It's like one of those things.
That's just what he just said.
No.
Just brush your fucking teeth.
It's really that simple.
adam curry
As a kid, did you get those trays at the dentist?
Do you remember those?
joe rogan
What are the trays?
adam curry
They'd say, we're going to do fluoride treatment on you.
unidentified
Oh yeah, they did that.
adam curry
And it was like, it's fruity.
You know, and this gunk will be dripping back in your throat.
You're gagging with this horrible...
It's like, that's not...
joe rogan
And you go to school and you get a D in English.
Because you're fucking stupid.
adam curry
Pretty much the story of my life, Joe!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so bad.
It's really bad for you.
And it's not necessary.
And we're being co-opted by something and someone.
And I think we looked this up on the podcast, Jamie.
Didn't it come out of...
There was some town...
In Texas, I believe, that had naturally fluoridated water, which occasionally, you know, just happens.
adam curry
We have it in the hill country.
The water is definitely naturally fluoridated.
joe rogan
There's natural levels of different minerals, and there's different stuff.
And this one area had a fairly high natural level of fluoride, and these people had, like, great oral hygiene.
Whether or not that was a convenient study that they pointed to or a convenient case they pointed to to make the argument to get rid of all that fluoride, you know, you've got to look many layers into all this kind of stuff.
Because they've been throwing fluoride in the water for how long?
And how much money has been spent throwing fluoride in the water?
And how many people have built mansions and have fucking Mercedes-Benz that are tooling around them because they've been throwing fluoride in the water?
And that's a deep system.
To try to untangle after 50, 60 years of doing this.
adam curry
It's the petrochemical industry.
That's where all our medicines come from.
I was watching the Grammys.
Why?
joe rogan
What's wrong with you?
adam curry
I know.
Well, I usually watch for the Satan segment.
I would say, oh, there it is.
There's the Illuminati.
There's always one.
They didn't have one.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
adam curry
Beautiful women in nice dresses and everything.
joe rogan
Trump is president.
adam curry
They're a little nervous.
Presidents are important for the culture.
joe rogan
It's very important for the Satan people.
adam curry
They're in trouble.
Jesus is making a comeback, man.
They're in trouble there.
joe rogan
You've got to hide now.
Go back into the basement of Comet Pizza.
A place that doesn't have a basement, by the way.
adam curry
We're reliably informed.
And I hadn't really watched network television a lot, and there's a lot of commercial breaks, but the first 10 all had a pharmaceutical product which had never heard of, a name I can't remember, and side effects literally included death.
I'm like, what is going on with this?
Ask your doctor.
I'm like, do I have this?
Should I have this?
Do I want this?
I mean, is this going on with me?
And people are all happy in the commercials.
They're like, look, my skin looks good and I'm happy and I have a beautiful family.
It's almost like we used to sell cars.
Now they're just selling the pharmaceuticals.
joe rogan
Well, that will be an interesting thing if RFK Jr. gets in place.
If RFK Jr. gets in place and they stop this...
adam curry
Advertising.
joe rogan
Advertising.
We are one of two countries on Earth that allows...
unidentified
New Zealand.
joe rogan
Yeah, New Zealand, and New Zealand's far more restrictive than us.
We should be really restrictive about this because advertising works.
You know, and there's advertising that doesn't bother me at all.
Like, Chevrolet, Corvette.
You know, it's okay.
It's fine.
But when he can give you bloody diarrhea and suicidal ideology.
adam curry
Anal leakage.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're just fucked up in the head, and you're depressed, and, like, you don't know why, but now your zits are gone.
Like, hey!
Slow down!
That was not in that commercial with the lady dancing in the field with her child and the people at the picnic, and they're all smiling and laughing and having a good time together.
That That looked like fun.
Where's that part?
adam curry
Well, of course, they've tried all kinds of things to stop this, and First Amendment comes up, although we have stopped tobacco advertisements, and there's all kinds of things that have been done throughout the years.
But what happened with television is all the money, I mean, really, 60, 70, maybe 80% of all the advertising income is from pharmaceutical companies.
That's why there's also no reporting.
Like, we're not going to bite the hand that feeds us.
joe rogan
That's the real problem.
adam curry
That's it.
joe rogan
That's the real problem.
The real problem is that these news organizations are not independent.
adam curry
Not just news.
Not just news.
Everything.
joe rogan
Right.
Everything.
They're not independent.
Like, even television shows.
Like, could you imagine if, let's say, a network has a...
Prominent news organization and that news organization is very popular and it's a big part of their ratings and it's a reliable source of information for you know People that believe them.
And they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies, but then they also have a crime show on.
And this crime show wants to do a thing about an evil guy who promotes a vaccine that winds up killing a bunch of people, and they hide the data, and then they arrest him at the end of the show.
Like, no fucking way.
adam curry
That's not getting made.
No green light for you.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
You've got to turn that guy into a meth dealer.
That's a meth dealer now.
Let's just do a couple.
Simple rewrites.
Simple rewrites of the script.
adam curry
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is a bad guy from Guatemala.
He's definitely not from here.
He's definitely not from Moderna.
And they definitely aren't working in conjunction with the government to develop this thing, and the government's profiting off of it.
That's not real.
adam curry
I mean, I say that we're in the season of reveal.
I've been saying this for about a year now, and it's really happening real quick with what we're uncovering and starting to understand.
I haven't seen your talk with Mike Benz.
joe rogan
Mike Benz dropped some fucking seeds yesterday.
If we're in the season of flowers, he's blooming today.
He was so nervous yesterday.
Jamie was talking about it before.
He was making all these tweets like they were going to kill him.
Probably, yeah.
It's probably been discussed.
adam curry
Well, I think it's way too far beyond.
And I think, you know, I look at Leave It to Beaver, I call her, who's the new press secretary.
She's 27 years old.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
She's good, though.
adam curry
She's fantastic.
She's younger than my daughter.
joe rogan
I don't think you should say Leave It to Beaver.
adam curry
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
That's how I remember her last name.
All right.
Caroline Leave It.
I think it's Leave It.
Thanks, Joe.
Thanks.
Thank you.
joe rogan
Because we're old enough to remember when beaver was a vagina.
Most kids are like, I don't even know what the fuck they're talking about.
adam curry
Leave it to beaver?
What are they talking about?
joe rogan
What a dumb name for a vagina.
A beaver.
Because dudes didn't really have any derogatory names for dicks.
It's just dick is the worst one.
Like, oh, your dick.
Put your dick away, you fucking weirdo.
You know what I mean?
It was like this.
But beaver.
adam curry
Well, we only had pecker.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Pecker's kind of cute.
adam curry
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, it's just a Pecker.
joe rogan
There's no real bad names for Dick other than Dick.
adam curry
But she comes out, and she does this whole list of USAID, which is very little money.
And I think...
Our president is very smart.
He's showing us things that enables people like Mike Benz and you and I to have these conversations about...
Because it's not ideological that USAID, which is not USAID, this is like one of these psyops right up top, like Federal Express is not owned by the government.
Federal Reserve is not owned by the government.
USAID is the Agency for International Development, not aid.
And we see on television, there goes another pallet onto the C-130.
U.S. aid from the American people.
joe rogan
Oh, we're being nice.
adam curry
Yeah, we're being nice to people.
joe rogan
We should be nice.
We're the nice people of the world.
adam curry
But what these, and I'm sure Mike talked about this, you know, like LGBTQ, these dance parties and things, if you look at these countries, these are countries where we want to keep them away from Russia, overthrow the incumbents, and the way to garner support is to...
And I really love how they added the cue.
That just became so clear to me all of a sudden.
If you sponsor LGBTQ, these are outcasts.
These are people who feel that they've been marginalized.
Then you add a cue like, wait a minute.
I can be queer.
I'm different.
I'm odd.
You bring more people in.
Then you can bring the anarchists in.
joe rogan
You can get A. They have the A's in now.
adam curry
Oh yeah, the A's, the I's.
Which is so crazy.
Everything.
joe rogan
But the A's don't even have a dog in the fight.
adam curry
But that's the point.
You want them to come to the party.
Come to the party.
You're allowed to the party.
joe rogan
That's why it's so long now.
adam curry
And I saw this AFD in Germany.
This is the extreme right party.
And they wanted to slow or remove immigration.
And so now there was a protest.
Against the AFD. They're getting ready to vote now.
And there's 100,000 people there.
I'm like, wow.
I thought, because I know people in Germany.
I have friends in Germany.
They really are sick and tired of this immigration stuff.
So where are these people coming from?
And in the news report, right up front, there's a dude in a blonde wig with eye shadow saying, we just want to get along.
Can't we just be diverse?
I'm like, that's the PSYOP. He's talking about himself.
So he wants to feel included, which, by the way, in America, you can do whatever you want, call yourself whatever you want.
People really don't have an issue with that.
But they've just taken this and abused these people into their political agendas all over the world.
And, of course, it sparked something here in the States.
If you look at the Democrat Party, they're going to die on this hill.
They're still like, oh, no, LGBTQ, they're taking away our rights because they know they can mobilize people.
To do that.
And then you can throw in Palestine and all kinds of people will join this group.
joe rogan
Did you see the city council thing in Worcester, Massachusetts yesterday that's gone viral today?
adam curry
I don't know which one is that.
joe rogan
Jamie, did you see it?
Oh, yeah, yeah, pull this bitch up.
There's a compilation of these people, like, absolutely freaking out.
The best one's the compilation, if you can find the compilation.
But it's all these LBGT people show up at this city council meeting to say there's, like, a transgenocide.
It's one of those dudes.
We're going to round up in concentration camps.
jamie vernon
Yeah, five minutes long.
joe rogan
Yeah, just start from the beginning.
adam curry
Can you wrap up, please?
unidentified
Yes, I can.
If you say...
That you're afraid of Trump and that's why you don't want the city to be a safe space for trans people.
You better prepare for trans people to make this a very unsafe space.
I'm shaking right now.
I don't want to be here.
jamie vernon
I'm sorry.
Am I taking too long pleading for my life?
unidentified
You remembered how many children I have and that two of them are trans.
adam curry
There it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I speak as both the B and the T in the LGBT.
joe rogan
He's both.
unidentified
I'm multiply disabled.
I have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, which is a connective tissue disorder that causes me immense physical pain.
I'm on the autism spectrum.
And I have narcolepsy.
And I couldn't drive myself here.
So I had to hide from my driver that I was in drag, which is not an easy thing to do in drag.
I do not want to be here.
It's my day off.
I do not want to be in your DMs.
I do not want to be in your email inboxes.
I do not want my creativity writing diss tracks like Kendrick.
I don't want to spend an hour applying glitter on my face so that you will hear and see me.
What?
adam curry
No, that's enough.
joe rogan
You made me put glitter on my face, you piece of shit.
Because everyone knows when you go to court, you have to have glitter on your face.
adam curry
These people need hugs.
They need love.
I pray for them.
The biggest way to...
Psychologically manipulate people is, or there's three ways, old people, puppies, and children.
And I followed this.
It started around 2012, not coincidental, when, you know about Smith-Month, the Smith-Month Act?
So that's, you know, it was a law that was put in since the Church Commission, you can't propagandize the American people.
Defense Department and others went to the government and said, well, you know, like, we're on the Internet now, we might accidentally, you know, push some propaganda on people.
It started with...
I know, because John Dvorak and I, we followed it on no agenda.
Started with bullying, then it was, we needed anti-bullying laws, and we're literally going, like, what happened to sticks and stones will break my bones, or punch the bully in his nose?
No, no, no.
Then the teachers, and then we got hate speech laws, not actually laws, but, you know, hate speech punishments, and this kept building up until you...
Guaranteed parents through the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Society, all of these different trade groups, that if you don't transition your child, that child will commit suicide.
And that is a horrible thing that they've done.
Think about these parents who may or may not one day wake up and go, what have I done?
What have I done?
joe rogan
Well, someone was talking about this the other day, that this is the real problem, is that so many parents have committed to doing this to their children, and they cannot face the reality of what they've done, and so they're going to dig their heels in forever, and they're going to talk about gender-affirming care.
But the thing is, that's a small percentage of people.
adam curry
Thank God.
joe rogan
Thank God.
But they're overrepresented in the fact that they make it their whole life.
And so they're very loud and very vocal.
And then they become a political beach ball.
adam curry
I heard you talk about that with Bridget.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
unidentified
Totally.
joe rogan
The political beach balls at a concert.
They chuck them up in the air so we always have something to fight about.
So we're not paying attention to the USAID stuff or a lot of the stuff that's really important.
And this is just a part of this inter...
Tangled web of psyops that's been running our culture.
I mean, I would say our government, but it's everything, right?
So it's the government has established its hooks in us and put fear and law and rules.
And the more law and the more rules, the better, because the more likely you're going to break a few of them, and then you're going to shut the fuck up.
And they've got these fucking things everywhere.
It's just allowing them to run this mafia business.
And there's a bunch of people that are reasonable, educated people that have Stockholm Syndrome.
They don't want to admit that even their people, their cherished heroes like Obama, was a part of this.
All these people that you think of as progressive Democrats, they were all a part of it.
And fortunately today, we have the convenient...
Access to YouTube instantaneously, where you could watch Obama in 2003 say some very MAGA things.
Or you could watch Hillary Clinton go more MAGA than MAGA. About deportations.
adam curry
Yes!
Yes!
joe rogan
And that if you stay, you have to pay a stiff fine.
I mean, the whole thing is, it's cyclical, right?
Like, this is why the left is now supporting war and censorship.
It's not real.
It's not that there's a good group of kind, compassionate, educated people and a bunch of fucking buffoons who are racists who want to bring that back to Confederate flag.
That's not what's going on.
There's people that are nice, kind people that also understand the value of hard work and reality and...
Kindness and also sternness and rule of law and you can't just let violent criminals out in the street and hey, maybe you should do some actual rehabilitation with the fucking billions of dollars you make in the prison industrial complex when there's no rehabilitation, like no real concerted efforts to completely change these people and studies.
adam curry
It's a mess.
joe rogan
It can be done.
It can be done.
And it probably could be done with psychedelic drugs.
They probably can do some things with people.
Especially non-violent criminals that are trying to figure out, like, why have I been stealing from people my whole life?
Like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
Unless they're a legitimate psychopath, they have no empathy.
There's people that can be kind of woken up to why they're in this horrific pattern of continual abuse in their life.
And there's ways to...
Rick Perry has been really brave in this case because he's a former Republican governor of Texas and now he's advocating for Ibogaine therapy, particularly for veterans, for guys who come over, they've seen the most horrific shit, their brain is in a shambles and they want to do something and they have no help in these...
Pills that just dull their mind and make them feel detached from reality and all these fucking antidepressants and things they give them.
And they want to fucking end their life.
And they can go and get therapy that cures 80% of them with one dose and it's like 95% with two doses.
It's fucking nuts, man.
And we've been hiding this because...
Because of the sweeping Schedule I Drug Act of 1970 that was put in place directly by Nixon to go after his political opponents.
It was directly put in place to demonize the anti-war movement and demonize the Civil Rights Party and the Black Panthers and anybody who was a problem with the government.
So they just said, let's just make all these things that these people are taking on a regular basis completely illegal.
Not only just Schedule I. Like, with no medical use whatsoever.
Things that people have been using for thousands and thousands of years.
And it's all the same shit.
It's all psyops.
It's all psyops.
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adam curry
Well, the number one thing that happened around that time, of course, during Kennedy, is we realized that television was a big force.
Television and radio.
Oh yeah, they got that handsome guy.
And if you listen to some of the debates, it would sound on the radio like Nixon did better.
I mean, it's amazing.
How this worked between radio and television, but then newspapers, we know the intelligence agencies were all writing stories.
I mean, you look at CNN, you still see ex-CIA guy shows up.
A little story.
When I saw you sitting at the inauguration, and I think I texted you, I'm like, dude, I can't believe it.
I see you sitting there.
You're texting me American flag emojis and stuff like that.
And you and Trump, I'm like, oh, look at him.
He's in a tuxedo.
And I thought...
So, in 1983, I was still a teenager, and I grew up in Amsterdam, socialist country.
The airwaves were controlled by the government.
It was horrible.
It was almost like Russia.
Your phone was a gray phone, and that was your phone.
You couldn't get a different phone.
It was illegal to unplug it from the wall.
And I was doing pirate radio at a place called Radio Decibel in Amsterdam, and we were playing...
joe rogan
You were Christian Slater.
adam curry
In a way.
Do you remember that movie?
Oh, yeah.
What was that movie called?
joe rogan
I don't know.
adam curry
Maybe it was called Pirate Radio?
joe rogan
It was crazy.
They were trying to arrest him.
Remember?
adam curry
Well, so we all got arrested several times.
And we were playing 12-inch imports from your Chicago warehouse.
joe rogan
You got arrested several times?
adam curry
Oh, yeah.
Oh, they would always come and arrest us.
How'd they find you?
We literally had the station name on the door.
People would come around.
We'd be smoking weed or hanging out.
We weren't making any money.
We were basically paying to do it.
We had this huge antenna on the roof.
joe rogan
Did this ever come up when you got hired by MTV? Did they get nervous about that?
Did they have to do a background check?
adam curry
This guy's got a record.
Remind me to tell you my USAID story in a minute.
This is 1983. First, I was a gawky, awkward kid.
I got tics.
I got the wrong hair.
I got the wrong moped.
Everything's wrong.
But on the radio, people are like, wow!
And I was doing it in English.
You can do that in Amsterdam.
People are like, wow, it's so cool you got that black guy on your station.
I'm like, I'm black?
Oh, cool.
So I was John Holden, the 23-year-old black guy who drives a Harley.
But the point was, it was liberating.
I could speak my mind, and everything felt so stifling.
Now we go forward, 1993. And I'm on MTV. I'm the hair of Generation X. I'm on Z100 in New York, number one station.
And I'm also on the internet.
You know, I'd set up MTV.com.
It was very, very slim.
We had dial-up modems at the time.
And it was so restrictive.
You can't...
They let me do my own material, but they had censorship called a line producer.
Like, oh, now we've got to burn that segment.
You said something bad about Richard Marks.
Oh, you said something that was off-color about Madonna.
Oh, we can't do that.
The radio was the same.
It was, you know, like, read the liner card, you know, and then always end with Z100. There was a guy at Sun Microsystems in San Francisco, and he said, Adam, I see what you're doing with MTV.com on the web.
That's cool.
I'm going to send you a computer.
So he sends me this big SunSpark workstation.
joe rogan
What year?
unidentified
93. So this is pre-Windows 95. So this is...
adam curry
Yeah, it's pre-Windows.
Yeah, go ahead.
joe rogan
Windows, what is it, 3.8 or something like that?
adam curry
Well, this was Solaris OS. It's Unix, basically.
joe rogan
So it wasn't Windows back then, right?
Like, what came before Windows?
adam curry
I had a Mac.
unidentified
No, I had an early Apple II. 3.1, that's what it was.
adam curry
Yeah, 3.1 and an Apple II. I was more Apple guy at the time.
And so I hooked it up to my 56k mode.
I dial in and he says, watch this.
And I'm on the phone with him.
He says, watch this.
And up on my screen pops a little player.
And he's streaming in PC. We didn't have MP3s back then.
PCM, pulse code modulation.
Nine inch nails.
I'm like...
This is broadcasting.
I'm going to figure out how we use this thing for broadcasting, because think about how we can use this outside of all the systems.
And so 2003, now we're 10 years later, I've been very involved with RSS feeds and blogs, and I see my first iPod, and it's like, snap, crackle, pop.
Hold on a second.
This is amazing.
We can combine.
This is a radio.
This is not a music device.
It's radio.
So I cobbled together this program that basically takes this RSS feed and then puts a program on.
So the show was an album and then each track was an episode number.
And then I immediately started doing a show.
What I do is just try to get people involved.
That's how Daily Source Code started because I was trying to get software developers in.
And then two years later, three years later, Steve Jobs is having a private conversation with me about putting this into the iPod and making it official, making a podcasting thing in iTunes.
And I'm like, this is so perfect because now you have this RSS feed which you control.
No one else can control what you do with your RSS feed and anybody can slurp that up and subscribe to your radio show.
And then 20 years later, I see the...
The President of the United States wrapping up his campaign with Joe Rogan on a podcast, completely being himself, being a dude for, by the way, props for you sticking to your guns.
I love that you did that.
Now it's got to be here.
No restrictions on time.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't impose any.
He was more than willing to do it exactly how I do it.
adam curry
He understands it.
But at that moment, then I see you sitting there.
I'm like, we just broke the elite messaging machine.
Phase one complete.
joe rogan
All because of you, dawg.
adam curry
No, no, you dawg.
You dawg, man.
joe rogan
Oh, glory to God.
adam curry
I think I was just used.
joe rogan
I always give you your props.
I think you were the first.
adam curry
I was just a vessel.
It makes sense to me now.
joe rogan
Well, I'm just a vessel, too.
I think that's the case with all of it.
adam curry
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I say that to the guys at my comedy club.
They're always so thankful that I built this comedy club.
I'm like, I think this thing built itself.
I think it was just, I was a thing that it did through me.
It caught me because it knew that I was capable of doing it and impulsive enough and brash enough to say, fuck it, let's just dump a bunch of money in this spot and see what happens.
adam curry
You were given gifts.
joe rogan
I was given gifts.
adam curry
And you stuck with your gifts.
And I know you're a very generous guy.
I know you help a lot of people with, not monetary necessarily, but just helping them, getting them on their feet.
You know, Parker, I'm like, can I bring this kid?
He's a big fan.
You're like, absolutely, bring him in.
You're a gracious guy.
And so when you get whatever word it is to build a comedy club, you did.
joe rogan
I think you have to do that.
I think the universe is testing you.
And if you pay attention to yourself, you'll feel like, what's the right thing to do?
Like, what's the thing?
What is the greedy, impulsive thing to do?
What is, like, the miserly thing to do?
unidentified
Save it all!
It's my money!
Save it all!
joe rogan
You know, that's the...
adam curry
That usually doesn't end well for those people.
joe rogan
No, it's just, it's bad for you, too.
Because it's...
I always talk about...
And I really try to put this in young comics' minds.
There's an impulse that you will have when someone's doing better than you, and you'll be angry at them.
It is a bitter, pathetic, jealous, normal instinct that people have.
adam curry
It's the enemy.
The enemy talking to you.
joe rogan
It's just you have to recognize what that is.
What that is, is you have a desire to be doing the same thing.
This person is doing this thing.
They are in the movie.
They are on the TV show.
They are headlining at the club and you feel bad because it's not you.
So you decide that they are bad.
And so you start looking at them as a source of negativity towards you and you don't do all the logical objective reasoning that allows you to go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, they didn't do anything wrong.
It's just me." And then those people who get really super big and famous oftentimes get very defensive and very elitist because they do understand that people are mad at them now.
So then they're like, fuck those people.
Those people are fucking losers.
And it's bad for everybody.
It's bad for everybody.
The correct way to do it is to go, wow, look at what this person has accomplished.
That's fucking amazing.
That's inspiring.
I want to do something like that with my life.
adam curry
Which is what America used to be.
I think it still is.
joe rogan
I think it is.
adam curry
It's been covered up.
It's been papered over by media, basically.
That's why I'm so happy that we've broken through that elite messaging system.
The way I was raised is in America, you can look at the guy with the Rolls Royce or the Cadillac or whatever and go, I want that, and you can be that.
And we've kind of devolved into a, you know, it's international now, into a victim mentality.
There's good and evil.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a ploy.
It's, again, the same thing as Florida in the water.
It's a fucking psyop.
It's a ploy.
And it's a way to keep us, instead of empowering people, to recognize that all these people that are successful are inspiration.
That's what they are.
They're fuel for you.
You can use them.
Whatever that person is singing at the Grammys, when Kendrick Lamar is doing the halftime show, when someone wins a fight, that's supposed to be inspiration.
That's a fuel.
And you can use it correctly.
Or you can fuck your whole life up by paying attention to other people and comparing yourself in a negative way.
This is part of the problem with kids.
And social media.
Because kids are supposed to see, like, oh, look at Bobby.
He's nice to everybody, and everybody likes Bobby.
Be like Bobby.
Like, look at Mark.
He's fucking awesome at the guitar, and everybody wants to go see him play.
I want someone to come see me do something.
I wish I was good at something, as Mark is at guitar.
And that's what's supposed to, like, raise us all up.
adam curry
But instead, we see a thousand followers and likes on someone blasting somebody.
Funny way in a video, this is a big part of the problem.
joe rogan
But sometimes funny way blasting is important, too, because that's my line of work.
You've got to talk shit.
adam curry
Talking shit is important.
You are a professional, Joe.
You're a professional.
joe rogan
Yeah, but how do you become a professional?
You start off as an amateur.
You start off talking shit.
adam curry
We can't all be a comedian or a comic.
We just can't.
joe rogan
I think a lot more can than you think.
There's a lot of people out there that have the inclination that just don't get that spark, which is also one of the things we're trying to do at the club, which is also why we have...
We have two nights of open mic nights.
adam curry
Oh, that's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, we want to make it accessible.
We want to make, this is like a place where there's a real path.
You can work on your act, and you're going to see guys like, on a daily basis, guys like Ron White and Shane Gillis.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, there's people coming in and out of town that are doing my podcast.
They're like the best of the best in the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're coming to the club.
adam curry
Oh, this is the center of the universe now for comedy.
joe rogan
It is.
adam curry
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
It really is.
And again, I think this place, I think it built itself.
I think.
I just had to do it.
I was like...
adam curry
I just gotta tell you, no, no, no.
God loves you, Joe.
He is at work in you.
He's all over you and has been that way for a long, long time.
There's no doubt in my mind.
joe rogan
Well, whatever it is, I'm listening.
adam curry
You'll accept it.
joe rogan
I accept it and I listen.
And I go with it.
But I think it all...
Too many things had to happen.
If you want to believe in fate, if you really want to believe in fate, I should believe in fate.
Because especially with this move here, too many things had to happen in line.
It had to be the pandemic, and it had to be me with young kids who just was very uncomfortable with the direction that LA was going.
And then it had to be the George Floyd riots and the lockdowns.
And then I had to come to Texas and go, oh, there's other ways that people live.
And I had known you for a long time, and you lived here, and you spoke very highly.
And then my good friend Gary, Gary Clark Jr., he came here.
Like, before the pandemic, and I remember talking to him on the phone, I'm like, why did you move back to Texas?
He's like, man, I just cannot fuck with those people in LA. And Gary's like the realest dude I know.
It's like one of the realest.
Like, he doesn't give a fuck about fame, about...
That guy cares about playing that fucking guitar and playing songs as good as he can.
elizabeth holmes
And that guy just locks himself up in a studio.
joe rogan
He's got a studio at his house.
adam curry
Yeah, that's what you want.
joe rogan
He locks himself up in there for 12 hours a day, and it's just...
That guy only gives a fuck.
Fuck about the art.
Like, he's about the craft.
And, like, so all the bullshit that came along with living in Hollywood, like, he would just come hanging out at the comedy store all the time.
That was just, because it was like, oh, you guys are real.
Like, I can hang with you.
We'd just be cracking up and hanging.
So when he came out here, I was like, fuck.
And then Ron White came out here.
I'm like, goddammit.
And then, you know, it's like, oh, I fucking love it.
It's fucking airports, a breeze.
No traffic.
Everyone's nice.
It's the middle of the country.
I was like, fuck.
And then the pandemic happened, and it was like it all pulled me to the spot.
And then it had to be the Spotify thing, and then it had to be the comedy store shutting down for a year, and then it had to be all the comedy store employees that I loved were all unemployed.
And so then it was like, okay, let's fucking do this.
adam curry
Exactly what I'm seeing.
I'm seeing that with everybody.
That's why it started in 1983. I'm like, I see where the path was.
I've always been doing this stuff.
joe rogan
And that's the thing about podcasting to me, too.
It was oddly compelling.
Like it didn't make any sense.
I was making no money and I was busy.
adam curry
It was costing you money probably on bandwidth and stuff.
joe rogan
It was definitely costing you money and I had young kids and it was just like why am I why am I spending my time doing this when I should be spending my time maybe doing something to make more money because especially back then It was like I wasn't doing Fear Factor anymore So I wasn't really making the kind of money that I was making when I was on television So I had a tour a lot so I was doing stand-up and I was doing like way too many dates with the UFC the UFC Although I love it to death.
I mean, that's the only job job I still have.
I still work for somebody.
But it's because I've been there for so long.
But it was like 22 dates a year.
adam curry
Do they send you a W-9?
joe rogan
I think I'm an independent contractor.
What's a W-9?
How does that work?
I have accountants.
adam curry
I was just messing with you.
joe rogan
I'm like Joe Walsh.
I have accountants.
Pay for it all.
adam curry
Yeah, that's right.
I got a Maserati.
Yeah.
joe rogan
185. 185. I lost my license.
Now I can't drive.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
I have a limo.
Ride in the back.
Lock all the doors in case I'm attacked.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
Great song.
joe rogan
Life's been good to me so far.
unidentified
So far.
adam curry
That's right.
It's a great song.
joe rogan
I use that song all the time.
Everybody's so different.
I haven't changed.
adam curry
You know, he's a ham radio guy, Joe Walsh.
joe rogan
Is he really?
adam curry
He takes his rig out on the...
He doesn't go on the road that much anymore.
When he's out on the road...
He has this huge ham radio rig, and that's like, I've been a ham for a long time, and that's like if you have a, we call it a QSL. QSO. That's ham code for a conversation.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
adam curry
With Joe Walsh.
Oh, man.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Joe Walsh is the fucking man, dude.
unidentified
He's awesome.
joe rogan
Life in the fast lane.
That dude changed the eagles.
The eagles on the way to killing your testosterone and making women cry all day.
And then all of a sudden, Joe Walsh comes along.
And now you've got life in the fast lane.
Give me that riff.
unidentified
Give me the beginning of life in the fast lane.
joe rogan
Joe Walsh.
It was wild.
Rock and roll guitar attached to this beautiful voice and lyrics and songs and songwriting.
Give me this, Jamie.
Give it to me.
adam curry
See how accurate it was.
joe rogan
But there was a, you know, guitar, like I was talking about Gary.
Close, close.
adam curry
Bam!
Bam!
That's all we can do?
We get in trouble.
joe rogan
Is that already going to get us in trouble?
adam curry
Probably.
Because here we have all these podcasts.
There's four and a half million podcasts.
Really only 400,000 update regularly.
So it's not even that much.
That's global.
Oh, how dare you?
joe rogan
You're teasing me.
adam curry
We can't play music in podcasts because of all these different And so, you know, if you perform something on the radio or in a live stream, that's a performance right, which, you know, the club plays for that, too, if you're playing any music.
So that's ASCAP BMI. Then you have the publishing right.
Now, because you download a podcast, well, all of a sudden now you've made a copy of it.
So that's another group over here.
So you have the publishers, then the record companies.
And they just could never agree, and they've locked themselves in so tight.
That the biggest opportunity for music would be to play it on podcasts.
They've painted themselves into a corner, and we all know now that most artists, you get 10,000 streams on Spotify, and you get a penny after a couple of years.
joe rogan
You see what Snoop Dogg, when he was going over this?
adam curry
Oh, it's horrendous.
I'm sure it's horrendous.
He got a thousand bucks.
joe rogan
Billions of streams, and he got a check for 45 grand.
adam curry
And Taylor Swift gets all the rest of the money.
I mean, it's very odd.
joe rogan
Isn't that because Taylor Swift owns her music?
Isn't that the whole deal?
Like, if you own your music...
adam curry
If you're the publisher.
I don't want to get too deep into Spotify and all that, but people are starting to move away from that and what I call the value-for-value model.
We actually built this with Podcasting 2.0 where you can send a boost.
Like, I want to send some money to this person straight from the app.
So you can play a song in the podcast as long as they've agreed to the license.
They own all their stuff.
You can send the money.
We just did Suzanne Santa.
I invited you to that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I couldn't make it, unfortunately.
adam curry
All I had to say is I invited Joe.
That was all I needed to say.
And, you know, we had six people on stage, six different bands, and they all made between $600 and $800 coming just from out there.
There was maybe 50, at the end of the night, maybe 50 people left.
It's a Monday night.
But they were all making more money than they had ever made on any other platform in their life just because people can send it through the internet.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy that $600 for a performance that goes in the internet?
Absolutely.
It is crazy.
Online, some dude named Balls of Steel sent me a message and he said, this is your new favorite song.
And I was like, what?
And it was Honey Honey, Angel of Death.
They did an acoustic version on the top of a roof in downtown LA. And it was incredible.
And I was like, oh my God.
And then I became friends with them.
adam curry
Yeah, she and Nick are great.
And their baby is super cute.
Yeah, it's adorable.
joe rogan
It's so cool to see her mom.
I love it.
But it's like that.
There's been so many streams on the radio, and the fact that you never made more than $600 is crazy.
Like, something's broken.
adam curry
Well, that's because the publishers are getting all of that.
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
But then on the other hand, you can get really famous.
People like Tile the Creator and all these different people that have blown up just from being on the internet, and then they do live performances.
adam curry
Yeah, but I still feel that...
joe rogan
Someone's making money.
adam curry
Well, we know the publishers are making money.
People say the record companies, but it's the publishers.
unidentified
Yeah, they can't call them record companies anymore if they don't make records.
joe rogan
Thank you.
adam curry
I was in my garage the other day, and I put my wall of fame in the garage.
You're like, time to move this out of the house.
Like, I'm old enough now.
And I'm looking at, like, there's a platinum record with a cassette.
With a platinum cassette on it.
Do people even remember these days when you got a platinum record with a cassette on it?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
adam curry
Five million copies sold of a cassette tape?
joe rogan
Jelly Roll gave us one of his platinum records.
We got it out there in the hall.
adam curry
That guy is awesome.
joe rogan
He's the best.
adam curry
Jelly Roll is what a story.
joe rogan
He's such a sweetheart.
He's such a nice guy.
adam curry
And he's a big crossover artist.
You know, the Christians love him.
The country guys love him.
The rock and rollers love him.
It's like he's the perfect, perfect crossover artist.
If I were an evil record executive, he's the perfect, he's the perfect crossover artist.
Joe, we need to sign him.
That's what I'd be doing.
joe rogan
Also, like, most unlikely looking to be the sweetest guy ever.
With fucking all the face tattoos and everything.
adam curry
Just goes to show.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
You can't tell a book by its cover.
joe rogan
No, you cannot.
adam curry
Ever, ever, ever, ever.
So, anyway, back to that.
It's just a shame that the music industry has moved it into this protectionist place.
I mean, even if you have a spin studio, you know, the Gestapo comes around like, you know, you've got more than 75 people a day here.
You need to pay us more.
And, you know, they're very litigious.
The whole thing is just a mess.
It's a mess.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, law is great because it protects you from scumbags, but law is not so great.
adam curry
But who's it protecting now?
Because the artists are making no money.
joe rogan
Exactly.
adam curry
Although it's become easier to, you know, to do.
Your music at home, that's, I mean, I remember going to the Hit Factory in New York and hanging out, you know, watching people record records.
That was amazing with, you know, the big machines and lots of people running around.
That was cool.
joe rogan
I think YouTube and social media presents very unique opportunities where a guy like Oliver Anthony can all of a sudden explode out of nowhere with one song.
He's another sweetheart.
adam curry
Yeah, you had him on.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was at the club the other day, too.
We were all hanging out.
Where does he live?
I think he's still...
adam curry
Is he down south?
joe rogan
Maybe he doesn't want people to know him.
adam curry
Okay.
Well, he lives in...
joe rogan
I don't want to say.
adam curry
Around.
joe rogan
But he was...
I mean, back...
Was he...
He was in Virginia?
jamie vernon
West Virginia.
adam curry
West Virginia.
Okay.
Yeah, West Virginia.
That makes sense.
unidentified
Richmond.
joe rogan
Because Richmond, north of Richmond was the song.
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, that's where he was.
I don't know if he's...
adam curry
And God bless him because he stayed away from the system.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had a phone call.
Yeah, I called him up when it all started popping off for him.
adam curry
He said, I'm going to sign you, boy.
I'm going to sign you to my Rogan records.
You're going to make millions.
Here, take this Cadillac.
It'll be great.
joe rogan
Yeah, I sent the Cadillac right to his house.
That's the last thing you want to give that guy.
You want to give him a 1983 Chevy that's redone, a pickup truck, an F-150 from the 80s that's redone, the boxy ones.
adam curry
A-track and the dash.
Good to go.
joe rogan
No, he's a genuine guy.
He's a really nice guy.
And we had this conversation over the phone.
He said, people are offering me millions of dollars to do this and that and this.
I go, stay independent.
And he goes, they keep saying I got a strike while the iron's hot.
I go, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen to me.
You've already made it.
All you have to do now is just keep doing what you just did, and you can do that, right?
I'm sure you have other songs.
He goes, oh, I got a bunch of other songs.
Then you sent me some of his other songs, which are just as good, if not better.
And I was like, dude, you have talent.
Talent is what you...
That's what everybody needs.
All this other stuff is people just trying to take advantage of your talent.
Stay independent.
adam curry
That's what I mean about you, Joe.
You are a good guy.
joe rogan
You protect people.
I was already past that spot where he's at.
I'd been in that spot before, where people are offering you deals and stuff like that.
I know what the trappings of that is.
You're broke, and then all of a sudden, you have money.
And for me, it worked out great.
That happened to me in 1993. I got this big development deal with Disney, and I moved out to California to do a sitcom.
I wanted to be a comic.
And then all of a sudden I've got all this money that's coming from TV. I'm like, this is so weird.
adam curry
Was that news radio?
joe rogan
No, that was Hardball.
It was a baseball show that was on Fox that never made it.
adam curry
I was an MTV man.
I wasn't paying attention to any of that stuff.
joe rogan
It actually started at MTV because I got a development deal with MTV first.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, but the development deal at MTV was like $500 to do a pilot.
I'm not kidding.
adam curry
Sounds like MTV. I'm not kidding.
joe rogan
It was like $500.
Maybe $5,000.
I don't think it was, though.
I think it was $5,000.
And if I did the pilot and the pilot was successful, they would have me locked in for some exorbitant amount of time.
I think it was like five years where I couldn't do anything other than MTV. And it was because they had a few people that became really famous off MTV and then left.
And so they had decided that MTV is going to keep all of their talent.
adam curry
Which is the funniest thing because when I got there in 87...
VJs were expendable.
They're like, you know, you're expendable.
Shut up.
Now, they couldn't because they brought me over from Europe and had a two-year contract.
I think the first year was $150,000.
The second year was $175,000.
And I got a car service.
And I could do radio, any radio I wanted to do.
And a lot of the people, not they, but a lot of the people at the office really disliked me because they'd be like, cut your hair!
I'm like, no, I'm not going to cut my hair.
joe rogan
Why do they want you to cut your hair?
adam curry
They have a new creative direction for the channel.
I'm like, no.
And, you know, I had different lengths of hair throughout the years.
joe rogan
That's the 80s, man.
That hair was gold.
adam curry
I'm like, have you seen the artists we're playing?
joe rogan
Give me a photo of Adam Curry in 88. It's glorious.
Glorious locks.
adam curry
I have the hair of Generation X. Don't call me a boomer.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Come on, who the fuck would tell you to cut that Farrah Fawcett?
That's a beautiful head of hair.
That's an amazing...
adam curry
Good times, brother.
joe rogan
Good times.
Yeah, imagine someone telling you that probably that was like a huge hook, too.
Of course.
adam curry
Like probably a lot of the ladies.
Well, you know what Merv Griffin always said?
Merv Griffin always said, people with big heads are successful on television.
That's why he had Pat Sajak and, of course, Jay Leno.
joe rogan
Jay Leno.
adam curry
Big heads, right?
I don't have a big head.
You have big hair.
I had big hair, so I had a big head.
joe rogan
Exactly.
adam curry
The formula worked!
joe rogan
Right, there's no, like, little tiny-headed dudes that are like, wow.
adam curry
No, no.
joe rogan
What is that about?
adam curry
No, that works on YouTube now, but on television...
joe rogan
Does it work on YouTube?
adam curry
I think anybody can be successful on YouTube.
I mean, it's all kinds of interesting stuff.
Right.
joe rogan
Doesn't that show you that the formula's bullshit, then?
You know, like, you got a guy like Mr. Beast, who is not, like, a classically good-looking guy who's got the biggest show in the world.
adam curry
That guy has...
People say he's a creator.
I think he's a creation.
He is a creation of YouTube and how it works.
You don't have this because you're so established, but his team, and he's talked about this, micromanage every second of each video, every cut, the poster images, all these things, and it's all about...
Time spent viewing.
If one video does a minute 38 and the other one does 140, that other video is more successful.
I mean, it's really, in order to hook the algos, get everything rolling, you have to bring that down to a science.
And of course...
I mean, this is not for you and I, I don't think, because you have to always keep feeding the machine.
You've got to keep feeding it, feeding it, feeding it.
You have to make your life a part of your YouTube channel.
Otherwise, you know, you drop off very quickly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I just think he has a different approach.
I mean, his approach is very, like, scientific.
He's very, very intelligent about it.
And I'm a feel person, which is why when I get people as guests, I never think, like...
Sometimes people think, oh, you try to get the biggest name guests because that'll be the most popular videos.
I don't do that at all.
Who do I want to talk to?
That's exactly how I've always done it.
I'm going to always do it.
And if it happens to be Mel Gibson, you know?
adam curry
Great interview, by the way.
He was great.
I mean, I'm like...
For me, he's always Mad Max.
When I was a kid, we'd play hooky from school.
We'd go back and someone would have a VHS. No, I had a Betamax.
He had a Betamax.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
adam curry
And we're watching Mad Max and then Diana Ross in the round.
joe rogan
Diana Ross in the round.
adam curry
We love Diana Ross.
You're like, oh, she's so awesome.
But the Mad Max, man, that original, and he's standing there with his boots in the desert at the beginning.
Great fucking movie.
joe rogan
He had a bunch of bangers.
But he's an interesting guy.
adam curry
And that blower on top of the engine.
I mean, the whole thing was just...
We just loved that.
unidentified
That was a fun movie.
adam curry
And then later, Lethal Weapon.
And I didn't realize, because I'd seen The Passion.
Which is, you know, as a Jesus freak myself, that was like, whoa, that was a heavy movie to watch.
And when he said it, I didn't realize that the whole thing was in Aramaic.
And it was the subtitles that you were basically reading the subtitles.
And his theory that it penetrates you differently, the story, I think, is so spot on.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
adam curry
Really, really interesting.
joe rogan
Well, he's a very underrated filmmaker.
And I always point to Apocalypto as another example of that.
There's no English in that movie.
adam curry
Nope.
joe rogan
And it's a masterful movie.
It's a great movie.
adam curry
That guy has a calling, man.
He's doing amazing talent.
Yeah.
And he fought the system.
He really, really fought the system so hard.
joe rogan
That was what was fascinating about talking to him about what happened when he made The Passion of the Christ.
Because it was really, it wasn't that it was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film.
It was an anti-Jesus reaction to that film that was really made by the motion picture industry because he had gone outside the normal distribution system.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
So in creating that movie, he financed it himself.
He went outside.
He got a smaller distributor.
And it did really well.
And they were like.
adam curry
$800 million or something.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Crazy amount.
We got to make sure this doesn't fucking happen again.
And that's where the attacks came.
And that's also where Jim Caviezel, his career completely stalled out.
You would think the guy's in a gigantic blockbuster movie like that, like he's going to be in blockbuster movie after blockbuster movie after this.
No, they kind of blackballed.
Yes.
adam curry
Well, and so you have smaller studios now like Angel Studios, and they're in Utah, and they crowdfunded The Chosen, which is the story of Jesus, and it's, I mean, unbelievable.
They're in their fifth season now, completely outside the studio system, completely away from it, and it's all crowdfunding.
At the end of the season, the credits are like...
15 minutes.
Everybody who donated, and everybody who donated X amount, they get to be extras on the set.
I mean, it's a whole new way of looking at producing stuff.
joe rogan
Interesting.
adam curry
Then, of course, they went on to do an apocalyptic movie called Homestead, which is a...
Dog!
It's so horrible.
It's like, oh, what is this?
I mean, it's...
joe rogan
Oh, it's a bad movie?
unidentified
Oh!
adam curry
Bad acting?
joe rogan
Is it bad enough to watch it?
adam curry
No, no.
Tina and I were watching, we're like, do we bail?
No, 10 more minutes.
Do we bail?
No, no, it's gonna happen.
It's like, no.
No, it's too bad.
joe rogan
It's hard to make a good movie.
adam curry
Of course it is.
joe rogan
Well, imagine the amount of people that you have.
If you have a bunch of idiots telling you to cut your hair, imagine how many dumbasses you have in the background of the movie that are telling you what to do.
All the money people, all the executives.
It must be so hard.
You have to be like a Quentin Tarantino who's like, just leave him alone, leave him alone, let him do his magic.
adam curry
He's an interesting, have you met him?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he's been on a couple times.
We hung out with him the other night.
We get out to dinner with him, him and Roger Avery, who's also awesome.
And then we went to the club, and we hung out at the club.
adam curry
He's an interesting guy.
joe rogan
And that's what he requested, to come to the club.
adam curry
Was he wearing his tracksuit?
joe rogan
No, he was just normal.
adam curry
I saw him in L.A. when I was there for about a year.
I was like, you see him, like, tracksuit.
unidentified
Tracksuits are comfortable.
joe rogan
I get it why the mob guys wear tracksuits all the time.
adam curry
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
The Russian mob guys, they know.
This is the way to do it.
adam curry
Adidas, man.
Adidas, that's my uniform.
joe rogan
I think the move is, like, stretchy jeans.
Because stretchy jeans.
The jeans give you all the feel of a tracksuit, but you don't look like a weirdo.
adam curry
I've become a hoodie guy, much to my wife's chagrin.
She's like, you know, I got friends of mine saying, hey, Fetterman!
I'm like, no, I really rather.
joe rogan
Fetterman wore a hoodie to the fucking inauguration.
adam curry
That was a little wild.
I mean, the hoodie was one thing, but the shorts, I'm like, well, you know, that's Fetterman, I guess.
joe rogan
That's really who he is.
I mean, it's kind of weird in that, like, come on, everybody else is wearing a suit.
But it's also kind of like, well, that's how he...
he dresses 24 hours a day.
adam curry
Yeah, but you wore a tuxedo.
Dude, you wore a button down for the president being your studio.
I was impressed by that.
joe rogan
Well, I felt like I had to.
The vice president, too.
I was like, I gotta wear something nice.
adam curry
It's because, you know, it shows a little bit of respect.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't even clean the table off, though.
Well, you know, my friend Harlan Williams was very happy that Dimitri was on the table.
adam curry
Oh, your snake.
joe rogan
Yeah, he gave me a giant hug.
unidentified
He goes, Dimitri was on the table when you were interviewing the president.
joe rogan
This is a gag that Harlan did.
He said he had a tapeworm, and then three hours into the podcast, he pulls out this fucking snake out of his pants.
You gotta see Harlan.
He's fucking...
He's so...
So funny and so unusual and so eccentric that for him, it was such a huge thing to see the snake on the table that he pulled out of his pants.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
adam curry
I get it.
joe rogan
I get it.
adam curry
I mean, it was so interesting where you've talked about the Harris campaign and all the stuff that they were saying.
And it was like, well, we talked to his people.
I'm like...
His people?
I think it's Jamie and then maybe one other guy?
joe rogan
Well, I do have managers, and they did talk to the managers.
adam curry
Oh, they did talk to them?
joe rogan
But what they said just wasn't true.
adam curry
But it's not like you have a super big team here.
No.
joe rogan
It's small.
Even the team outside of here is not that big.
But it's just...
It's just normal political bullshit.
They just lie.
They cover their ass and they lie.
I would have been very happy to have her on.
And like I said, the goal was to release both of them the same day.
I was trying to figure out how to do that.
adam curry
That would have been great.
That would have been fantastic.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was trying to figure out if that would be possible to do.
And that's what I wanted to do.
I wanted to put them out both at the same time.
adam curry
But that's it.
That's where we broke the elite messaging system.
We broke it because they could not put her into the new system.
They couldn't because they knew that she would fall down.
joe rogan
Well, they just got scared.
They could have.
They could have put her in.
I would have held her hand.
We would have had a conversation.
unidentified
I'm sure you would have.
joe rogan
Not that I need to hold the vice president's hand.
But what I meant was, no, I wouldn't have done that.
I wasn't going to move forward.
adam curry
I don't know, Joe.
She might have charmed you.
joe rogan
But I was more than willing to strongman or steelman all of our positions.
I wanted to know what would be the good in this.
Even if it doesn't make any sense, express it the best way possible that you can.
I will help you do that.
And then I'll ask you questions.
But I'm not going to be antagonistic.
I'm not going to be a shithead.
I have no desire to turn this into- To a viral clip thing.
I'm not trying to do that.
adam curry
I don't think you've ever done that with anybody.
joe rogan
No.
I never wanted that done to me.
So why would I do that to someone else?
adam curry
That's why I wore this hoodie.
Iron sharpens iron.
That's what you are, brother.
You bring people in.
Iron sharpens iron.
So a friend sharpens a friend.
You're always...
I come here.
I come here because I want to learn from Joe.
I want my iron to be sharpened by Joe.
You do that with everybody who's there.
joe rogan
Well, I just want whoever's in that seat...
To do the best they can, right?
So, like, whatever it is, whether you're talking about quantum physics or whether you're talking about human psychology or ancient history, I want the best version of you and I want to, like, kind of help you get the best version out.
And if you're running for president, I'd like to get the best version of that from you.
And I think that the whole system of debates and public speeches and interviews is so...
Bad for getting to know a human being.
And I guarantee you, I've seen interviews where she's really funny.
I've talked about it before, but I'll say it again.
There's this one interview, she's talking about meeting her mother-in-law for the first time, and her mother-in-law grabbed her face like, oh, you're so beautiful!
And it's very funny.
And she laughs, and she laughs in a genuine way.
It's not like that sort of defensive laughter that she does sometimes, where it seems like it's orchestrated.
It was a genuine laughter, and it was fun.
adam curry
Well, she's a prosecutor, that's why...
She kept going into prosecutorial mode.
The same with the so-called debate with Trump.
She was prosecuting him.
So she has a switch that she just flips.
And she becomes an authority.
Whereas our president, he's kind of him all the time.
They're eating the dogs!
I think that won him the election, too.
That was awesome.
I mean, that's one of my favorite jingles of all time.
They're eating the dogs!
joe rogan
They're eating the cats!
adam curry
Are you kidding me?
That's fantastic.
joe rogan
Well, it is...
It's very interesting to watch it all take place.
It's very interesting to watch this shifting of the consciousness of the country.
adam curry
The culture.
joe rogan
Yeah, but also to see the reaction on the left, like to see the really...
Crazy people, like those people at that Worcester Town Hall thing.
It's interesting to see that, too, because you're going to see these, like, really exaggerated grasps at retaining relevancy.
Like, really exaggerated.
adam curry
Well, they're crying out for help, is what they're doing.
They're crying out for help.
They've been psyoped.
I mean...
I'm only on X. I gave up Facebook and Instagram.
I'm not interested.
And X I really only use as kind of an inbox.
People will send me stuff and things for the show.
But early on when Blue Cry was still a secret project within Twitter that Jack Dorsey was running, I knew some people who were in that secret project.
And so I have an account.
And I went on there the other day.
I'm like, oh, my Lord, this is horrible.
These people are spinning up and spinning out and just going nuts with each other.
And I was like, I don't know how.
We have to figure out a way.
And, you know, President Trump says success will bring us together.
I think that's probably true.
But, you know, we can't just.
I'm a little worried that we're all going to be stomping on them.
It's like, ah, look at these stupid libs.
They're idiots.
They're crazy.
And I just feel that...
You know, you gotta love them and not hate them.
You don't have to forget what they've done or what they've said, but they have been abused by multiple entities and systems within our own government and political organizations.
joe rogan
Yeah, also, they're in this feedback loop, this echo chamber, and they don't have outside people that are kind.
And, you know, everybody outside is the enemy, and they're trying to, like...
They're trying to make their way through life like all of us.
But without forgiveness, you have nothing.
You have to be able to forgive people.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
You have to.
Without that, there's nothing.
adam curry
Well, you remain trapped in your own prison.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you're also, you have enemies forever that could have been your friends.
There's no reason for it.
It's not good for you.
It's not good for them.
And it's just like this stubborn inclination that a lot of people have to stick with that.
Like, fuck those people forever for life.
You really shouldn't do that.
It's not good.
Especially if those people feel bad.
If they apologize and they realize they've made mistakes.
Yeah, that's what life's about.
You've got to be able to understand that in the past you've made mistakes and grow.
And if we, the people that have made mistakes and grown, do not accept the people that are currently making mistakes and growing, well, then we're hypocrites.
adam curry
Well, that's the same with COVID. I know many people who either lost their job or were forced to take something they didn't want to take, and they will never forgive them.
Like, I won't forget.
Forgiving is not the same as forgetting, obviously, but they can't bring themselves to forgive those who were caught up in a massive psychological operation, and they're held in their own prison of anger, and it's with their own family members.
I mean, that...
It's almost like, did that happen?
That just went, we're now back.
What are we doing?
All these things have gone so fast.
We had an attempt on a president's life, and it's like, we don't know anything.
Our heads are on a swivel spinning around.
What is going on?
And the drones.
What about the drones?
So the drone thing...
For me, it was so odd.
First of all, there's a base over there and they're testing some drone technology.
But people in the United States, but really around the world, this is how we go through life.
We go through life looking down.
I'm a pilot.
I fly helicopters, airplanes.
I'm looking up at the sky all the time.
There's a lot going on.
There's a lot happening in the sky.
What have you seen?
All kinds of things, Joe.
unidentified
What have you seen?
adam curry
I've seen the Starlink satellites go over my house.
joe rogan
Those trip people out.
adam curry
It's amazing.
It's like, whoa!
Like eight or nine in a row.
joe rogan
And they go fast, too.
adam curry
Very fast.
And they seem pretty low, actually.
Like 60 miles up.
And of course, once it becomes a story, then every...
I know all these people with drones are like, dude, I'm going to get in the news.
I'm flying my drone.
They got six-foot diameter drones flying around.
Of course.
I mean, aliens and Chinese drones, they always want to have their red and green anti-collision lights on.
joe rogan
It's important.
adam curry
I was like, no, no.
And of course, there was some actual legislation that they wanted to pass, which happened that same week, which was to get...
Chinese drones out of America.
The DJI drones.
They don't want them.
joe rogan
They passed that the same week?
adam curry
Dude, same week.
That's why they psyoped all of these local people.
Oh my god.
unidentified
These motherfuckers.
adam curry
They wanted the DJI drones no longer to come in.
But really for law enforcement to also have local authority over drones, which they didn't have.
And now they're going to have that as well.
So they can say, hey, you with the drone down, we're doing something important here.
Right.
So it's always to remove your freedom.
Trust me.
Whatever the sign.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
That was the same time.
And all I had, I looked at this and like, okay, I'm trained myself.
Like, let's go take a look.
What's going on?
Oh, that's interesting, isn't it?
Look at this legislation.
joe rogan
Well, this is another argument for deregulation too, because when it comes to innovation, the issue with drones is that if you want like a really high level, sophisticated drone in America, you have to have a pilot's license.
adam curry
You do.
joe rogan
That's a big deal.
And the FAA is very involved in the policing.
adam curry
Well, you need that.
You need that for our skies, obviously.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
China don't have that, bro.
unidentified
They've got a social credit course system and no freedom.
adam curry
I talk to a lot of guys who do our audience who just got people in every...
We've trained them.
You're producers.
You know something about one particular topic.
You have an obligation to let us know.
So we have all these guys drone for hobbies, drones for law enforcement, drones for news.
And they all said, you know...
These DJI drones, they're so much better than the US drones.
They're just better.
They got better stuff, better technology, better cameras.
So they're like, I don't want to lose this.
And I guess they will.
joe rogan
The thing is, without the free market, the innovation is going to be stifled.
If the innovation is only available to the highest level military contractors...
That's crazy.
Like, especially when it comes to drone technology.
Like, you're competing with China, and they're doing these enormous light shows with a fucking dragon flying through the sky.
Have you seen some of those things?
adam curry
I've seen them fall out and hit people.
unidentified
Gotta crack a few eggs if you want to make an omelet at them.
I hear you.
adam curry
I'm glad I don't go to drone shows for this very reason, Joe.
I'm careful.
joe rogan
I'm careful about that.
Yeah, that's probably like those air shows where they fly jets around.
Like, I'm not going to be on the ground.
adam curry
No, I don't go to those.
That's why I like Starlink, because...
Because Starlink is really, first and foremost, a military system.
And very smartly, I think Elon is very good at marketing.
It's like, let's give this to the people.
I mean, I have it as a backup at home.
I have fiber, but I have a Starlink.
Of course I want to have this.
But it's really a military system.
joe rogan
Dude, I took one with me to the mountains in Utah when I went hunting.
adam curry
Worked perfectly.
joe rogan
It's the size of this pack.
adam curry
Yeah, the to-go.
It's incredible.
The little to-go thing.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
You can make phone calls.
You can do FaceTime.
All from the mountains, the middle of nowhere.
adam curry
I know.
I know.
We used to dream of—I think I had databelt.com at one point.
I dreamt about, you know, wouldn't it be great if we all have these satellites and they're circling around and we call it the databelt and we'd have all this stuff and, you know, all these things.
I can just see the delight of—and, of course, a lot of—it's, you know, SpaceX.
These are very sophisticated NASA people.
You know, there's all kinds—the best of the best is in there.
I think he knows how to hire the right people.
But he's smart at how he markets that.
He really is.
joe rogan
Well, the newest thing is they've teamed up with T-Mobile.
Saw that, yeah.
adam curry
Compatible phones only, Joe.
joe rogan
Right.
So you've gone to Flip phone now?
adam curry
I've gone to Flip, yeah.
joe rogan
So are you texting me on that thing?
adam curry
No.
We do it on Signal, so I do that from my computer.
joe rogan
Oh, boy, you're a weirdo.
So now you've gone completely flip phone.
So you don't text anybody anymore?
adam curry
No, I can text.
I can text message.
unidentified
But it's like T9? No, no, there's actually...
adam curry
So I still have my Graphene OS, which is the de-googled stuff.
joe rogan
In that?
adam curry
No, you can't put that on here.
So this is Android, but all I really have on here is text messaging, RCS. Can I see it?
Yeah.
So I'm still a green bubble.
joe rogan
This is a big flip phone.
adam curry
$63.
And it's from Caterpillar, baby.
joe rogan
Whoa.
So this is like for job sites.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I bet your battery lasts a year.
How long is the battery?
adam curry
Literally two days if I don't charge.
It keeps going.
Oh, yeah.
It's no problem.
joe rogan
So this is Android.
And you have a touch screen?
adam curry
Yeah, yeah.
If you text, it pops up.
Now, the whole thing is, it's hard to use.
And that's why I like it.
Because I don't want...
It's a trap.
joe rogan
Well, reading your text messages is a trip.
adam curry
What am I saying?
joe rogan
No, they're so small.
This is crazy.
adam curry
How do you get back?
Use the back button on the keyboard.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
This is hilarious.
adam curry
So, in a pinch, I can bring up a webpage.
In a pinch, I can bring up my email.
joe rogan
Right, but it makes it complicated.
adam curry
Yeah, so I'm hindering myself so that I'm not enslaved to it.
And actually, I hear from our daughters that there's a lot of kids who are doing this now because they want to be more present.
joe rogan
So if you want to send a text message, like if you want to get into your messages, what are you using to send a text message?
adam curry
Here, I'll show you.
joe rogan
Are you doing like T9? No, no, no.
You're typing, you have a little tiny keyboard that comes on this little tiny screen?
adam curry
See, I can even do emojis for my wife.
See, you just hit that.
And then up pops the keyboard.
But you can also swipe.
So you can just swipe around.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this keyboard's hilarious.
adam curry
You can also do...
joe rogan
I'm going to try to write hello.
adam curry
My wife will be like, what's going on?
It's probably auto-completing.
This is terrible.
I have it in swipe mode.
So just swipe along the letters.
joe rogan
I don't know how to do that.
unidentified
D-L-L-O. Nope.
joe rogan
Hisense.
Nope, didn't work.
I have fat-ass fingers too, man.
This is not going to work.
adam curry
It's not easy.
But I just need to...
I like talking to people now, too.
It's a great phone for talking to people.
joe rogan
Yeah, talking to people is better.
adam curry
And you know what's cool?
joe rogan
Do you have navigation on this thing?
adam curry
No.
Well, I could put it on there.
joe rogan
It won't work.
adam curry
But you talk to someone like...
Yes.
Satisfying.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is satisfying.
adam curry
Satisfying.
And look, it has little alerts if I get a text message so I can see.
joe rogan
So if somebody tells you, hey, the meeting got moved to 10 p.m.
adam curry
I don't have meetings, Joe.
joe rogan
Whatever.
Our dinner reservations get changed.
You'll get it.
Yeah.
adam curry
You know, Dvorak, my partner on No Agenda, he literally has a phone in his drawer and he never takes it out.
He has decided, no, I don't use navigation.
He lives in San Francisco.
He wants to keep his mind sharp by driving around.
He says, whenever I need a phone, I just turn around to someone and say, hey man, can I use your phone for a second?
There's always someone with a phone, he says.
So if I really needed to look something up, I'd just ask him for it, and it's good to go.
You know, you get the feeling that you need this thing, but you really don't.
joe rogan
Well, you definitely don't if you have a laptop.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
And spend dedicated time doing certain things, you know?
joe rogan
Especially, like, if you...
I can't keep up with emails.
It's impossible.
It just doesn't make sense.
adam curry
See, that's basically all I do.
joe rogan
I can't do it.
It doesn't work anymore.
adam curry
I have filtering and all kinds of stuff.
There's, like, people who will email me 15 times a day.
joe rogan
Okay.
adam curry
And, well, the thing is, of those 15 messages, There's one gem in there.
joe rogan
But you have to check them every day.
Otherwise, in three days, you've got 45 messages.
That doesn't make any sense.
adam curry
How many?
45. 100. 4500 messages.
joe rogan
No, from that one guy.
adam curry
Oh, yeah.
But I put him in his own email box.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
adam curry
And so then, you know, when I'm prepping for the show, like, no, no, no, no.
I can just see.
joe rogan
Right.
adam curry
Maybe.
Maybe.
Check that out.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
So I'm a real information manager.
That's, by the way...
I am not a big believer in the benefits of AI at this moment.
But if it can fix my email, then I'll believe it.
And so far, no one's done that with email.
joe rogan
How could it possibly fix your email?
adam curry
It should know what I want to see and what's relevant to me based upon, how about the transcript of my show?
Or, I mean, all these wonderful inputs I can give it.
How come it can't do that?
No one has fixed email for me.
When you do that, then I'll be a little more of a believer in AI. Right now, I think it's a great parlor trick.
I think it's keeping the stock market afloat.
We've gone through three AI winters.
He even has his own wiki page, AI winter.
It comes and goes.
At a certain point, Lisp was the programming language, and then that went away, and then funding dries up.
You know, now it's like, what?
We don't really need $100 million to build a model?
Oh, but wait a minute.
They stole that from you so you can copy.
I run these models at home on my own computer.
I run the Lama model, which is meta.
They've open-sourced it.
I've run the French one, whatever their frog model, whatever they call it.
And then DeepSeek, you can also just load that on your own computer.
And it's not very impressive.
I mean, it's just not.
The error rate is too high.
So I'm skeptical of it really taking off.
And I certainly don't think it's sentient or anything of that kind.
joe rogan
I think it's on its way.
And I think also the versions that we're getting are not the versions they're currently working on.
And the people that I know that are in the loop at the highest levels of AI are alarmed, including Elon.
I had a conversation with Elon.
We were in line together to go to church the day of the inauguration.
It just happened to be right next to him.
And we just walked through together.
I'm like, hey, what's up?
And that's all we wanted to talk about was the leaps.
That Grok.ai is making.
And he's like, it's like weekly.
We're shocked.
And I think this thing is exponential.
And when they start attaching large language models to quantum computing, it's going to get very, very weird.
adam curry
That's the pivot I'm waiting for when people start.
unidentified
That's coming, man.
joe rogan
And that's going to be like an asteroid hitting the Yucatan.
adam curry
You know, we've been waiting for quantum computers to actually work for...
30 years, and it's always 10 years away, and right now it's 10 years away.
joe rogan
Yeah, but right now they're able to do things with them.
They're able to solve very complicated algorithms.
adam curry
I'm not an expert in this, but there was one computation they did, and that may be a computation it could do.
It's not necessary that you can give it any computation.
joe rogan
But you know that the computations that it's doing are so insanely complex that they believe it's proof of the multiverse?
adam curry
Yeah, I've heard this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're not buying it.
adam curry
No, not at all.
joe rogan
Really?
adam curry
Not for a second.
joe rogan
How come?
adam curry
Because I... How dare you.
I know.
I'm a Luddite.
I'm a Luddite.
Look at me.
joe rogan
How dare you crush my dreams.
adam curry
I believe in this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've got no smoke shaker in my car.
adam curry
For a number of reasons.
One is, I'm not using it.
I am the...
I'm a techno guy.
I've always been early in computers, early in the internet, and I just can't find a use for it.
It does some simple things.
It's very good at language.
Honestly, if I was like, okay, here's my situation.
I'm looking for Bible scripture.
It'll come up with something good, and then I can say, and read it to me like a Baptist pastor.
It'll go, hey, brother!
He'll do all that stuff.
But okay, it has all of the translations of the Bible in it, and so it can predict reasonably what Scripture will work.
It's usually not all that great.
It can do term papers.
We're in a position now where people are putting their resume into ChatGPT, sending it off.
Thousands of people are sending it off for a job.
And the other end, the people are taking that resume, putting it into ChatGPT and saying, please summarize this resume.
I mean, that's insane.
It's like, what are we doing?
What are we doing here?
That doesn't make any sense.
If it can fix my email, they'll be very impressed.
That's all I want.
joe rogan
That's all I ask for.
Your email is a particular puzzle, though.
unidentified
That's the thing.
adam curry
Everyone's email is a puzzle.
It's like, you know, the spammers get around stuff, and they figure it out, and you say, report a spam, and then it comes back in a different way.
And how many older people, especially?
But even people our age.
Who gets scammed by these emails that look pretty convincing?
And then the minute you click, they're like, oh, I should put my password in.
And then you're gone.
You're done.
There's a phone scam going around right now, which is unbelievable.
They had me going for 15 minutes.
I got a call.
It was 8 o'clock in the morning.
Right at 8 o'clock.
And I'm about to walk the dog, so I press it to voicemail.
I come back.
I listen.
This is the sheriff from Travis County.
And it had a 512 number.
And, you know, I need to talk to you urgently.
I'm like, okay, this is kind of messed up.
I call back.
I get someone.
Oh, I want sheriff so-and-so.
Yeah, hold on a second.
We'll transfer you.
I'm hearing, you know, like...
Police radio chatter in the background.
The guy gets on, and he's saying, well, you were an expert witness.
You were called to be an expert witness in a case.
I just happened to, and maybe this is not coincidence, I was asked to testify on someone's behalf in a case.
And so you were supposed to be an expert witness in this case.
You didn't show up, so you've basically broken federal law, and we have to come and pick you up, or you can pay a fine.
And then I'm like, Okay.
And it just kept on going.
And I'm like, whoa, hold on a sec.
It sounded so real.
And then at a certain point, he's like, well, you need to get a coupon to send this money.
I'm like, I'm going to call my lawyer.
You can't call your lawyer.
I have a do not hang up order.
I have to walk you through the whole process.
I'm like, okay, now I got it.
But that was 10, 15 minutes later.
And a lot of people have fallen for this one.
It's good.
joe rogan
Super sophisticated.
adam curry
Very sophisticated.
joe rogan
So is that overseas?
Are they like spoofing a number?
adam curry
No.
I mean, these were American voices.
It sounded like a sheriff.
It really did.
unidentified
We did.
adam curry
And the deputy sounded like a deputy.
I mean, it was sophisticated.
It's good.
joe rogan
How much was the fine?
adam curry
Like $3,000 for this infraction and $2,000 for that infraction, you know, for these two different things.
joe rogan
And then you're going to bank transfer, so they're going to get your bank numbers.
adam curry
I mean, at that point, I caught on.
I'm like, no, hold on a second.
joe rogan
How'd you get off of it?
adam curry
I said, I'm going to call my lawyer.
And he's like, no, no.
I'm like, you can't tell me I can't call my lawyer.
This is bullcrap.
And I had to calm down.
I said to Tina, listen to what just happened to me.
This is crazy.
Some people I know in Fredericksburg actually went all the way.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
adam curry
Older people.
And they were afraid.
They're like, oh, it's authority.
joe rogan
That's how they get you.
adam curry
I'm sure you've got the one that says, this is my favorite Bitcoin scam.
It's like, okay, I've installed a spyware on your computer, and I saw what you were doing looking at that porn site, and I've recorded everything, and I'm going to release it all to your friends and on your social media if you don't send me $2,000 in Bitcoin right away.
Don't even think about contacting the authorities.
Have you ever gotten that one?
They've sophisticated it even more now.
They'll use your name?
And your address.
Like, I know you live at this address.
It's freaky, man.
So that kind of stuff would be nice if we could have AI protect us from that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
adam curry
If it can do all these wonderful things, focus on that.
Help people.
Save people now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Cut out the scam.
Yeah.
Speaking of scamming, what do you think about shit coins?
Like, what's your take on, like, Hawk Tua coin?
adam curry
Okay.
joe rogan
Melania coin?
adam curry
Those are more meme coins.
joe rogan
Trump coin.
adam curry
More meme coins.
joe rogan
Shit coins, right?
Isn't that what a meme coin is?
adam curry
So the only coin I believe in is Bitcoin.
And we've talked about this before.
joe rogan
Right.
adam curry
In fact, I looked it up, hoping you would bring it up.
Two years ago when I was here the last time, Bitcoin was around $40,000.
Today it's close to $100,000.
unidentified
Damn.
adam curry
This will continue to go up until we're long gone.
It's very interesting.
So I don't believe in shit coins at all because...
Bitcoin has no CEO. There's no one in charge of it.
It's literally tens of thousands of people around the world who run these nodes that make it open and make it run and keep it at this 21 million coin limit.
joe rogan
I'm totally down with Bitcoin.
I'm with you.
But I think the shitcoin thing is fascinating, that anybody can create a coin.
You know, like, Jamie has a pull-it-up Jamie coin.
I don't know if you know that.
I did not make it.
Don't put that on me.
adam curry
Do not.
joe rogan
It's out there now.
Now that you just said it, now that we just said it, because we brought it up yesterday with the Boneyard guy, with John Reeves, and we said, you should have your own coin.
Get the Boneyard coin.
And now, apparently, somebody made one.
adam curry
So this is...
You bring this up in context of scams, because they are scams.
It's trouble.
So if I wanted to make a quick...
Quick amount of money, I'd have a shit coin, and I'd have my bots ready, and I'd say, hey, Joe, have you heard about my curry coin?
And you'd be like, no, wait a minute, and it would come out, and it would skyrocket, and my bots would sell it, I would make a lot of money, and it would be dumped right away.
It's a scam over and over and over again.
joe rogan
But what if you don't sell it?
adam curry
Yeah, then you'll have empty bits worth nothing.
joe rogan
So it's only available for pump and dumps?
adam curry
That's the only thing it's good for.
It's not good for anything else.
joe rogan
What about if you wanted to use it to finance charity?
Is it possible to do that?
adam curry
Bad idea, bad idea.
joe rogan
Is it a bad idea?
adam curry
Yeah.
You know, a lot of charities now, they will accept Bitcoin.
And why is that good?
Because people have Bitcoin, and I have some Bitcoin.
You know, I've been saving my Bitcoin for a long time.
Instead of selling it, to which I then have to pay capital gains over the difference between what I bought it for and sold it at, I can give it to the charity.
I can still take my tax-deductible write-off.
They can do one of two things.
Convert it right away into dollars.
No capital gains because it's the same minute.
So I've actually been able to give more than I would have.
Or they can sell some of it and hold some of it for a longer term.
I really, really believe in Bitcoin and what we're seeing now.
There is something interesting going on.
Our dollar is in big, big trouble.
And President Trump knows this.
This falls into kind of the tariffs talk.
Have you heard about stablecoins?
joe rogan
No.
adam curry
Do you mind if I just give it a little?
Our monetary system, it really started after World War II, 1944. We were nearing the end of the war.
D-Day was coming.
Maybe it just happened.
We're getting pretty close.
And Europe, in particular, was very worried that after the war, they would fall into the same Great Depression that happened after World War I, when we had the Great Depression.
So they brought in all the economists and all the money.
and people got on the Queen Mary and went to the States to Bretton Woods.
You've heard of Bretton Woods probably.
joe rogan
No.
adam curry
The Bretton Woods system?
unidentified
Okay.
adam curry
So Bretton Woods is just this resort.
They all got together and they decided that they would have a new monetary system for the entire world.
I'm not an economist, but I've looked at this long enough to understand it.
And when they came out after two weeks, they said, okay, we're going to have this thing called the International Monetary Fund, the IMF, and they're going to...
Managed the interest rates, or they managed the currency exchange between all the individual countries with the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency.
So we became the money of the world, and we back it by gold.
And the idea was $1 could always be exchanged for 35 ounces of gold.
When you're the reserve currency, everyone has to have the dollar.
So everybody wanted our dollar.
What did we do?
We signed the Marshall Plan.
We sent tens, just billions of dollars over.
All our companies went into Europe, started building factories.
So the dollar kept going in.
All these other currencies kind of came a little bit weaker because we were so strong with our money.
And then people got a little worried about the dollar.
They looked around and went like, hey, do you guys have the goal to back that up in Fort Knox?
Of course we didn't because we just kept printing money and sending it over.
And then you get into this thing called the Triffin Dilemma.
And that means that...
When you are the reserve currency, your currency is basically overvalued and you can't export anything.
I'm skipping over a lot, but that's where we are today.
Our products are too expensive to ship to China and sell in China because of the value of our dollar.
This is why President Trump is saying, All our money is flowing out towards you.
We need to get some of that back, so we're going to raise tariffs.
I think it's a short-term solution.
So I think two things will happen.
One is we have this sovereign wealth fund, which you've heard him talk about, the sovereign wealth fund.
So in that will be the value of our public land that the government owns and all kinds of other things.
It'll be valued at this astronomical amount.
And in that will also be the strategic Bitcoin reserve that the president promised.
Now we get stable coins.
This is a crazy, crazy thing that's happened.
So a stablecoin is a digital dollar.
It's pegged to the dollar, so it's always a dollar.
And you can pay with this through the internet, through apps and everything.
It's already being used all over the world.
The only reason it's worth a dollar is because the stablecoin company that creates it, they have debt and paper to back it up.
So they buy America's debt, they get treasury bonds or T-bills, which actually pays a dividend.
So you get interest on that.
And for each dollar they have bought in treasuries, they can create a stablecoin.
So if you look at the company Tether, they have bought more of the United States debt than most countries.
They have $160 billion worth of U.S. debt, and for each of those dollars, they've created a stablecoin, which now people can use all over the world transacting.
And what's their business?
There's like 50 people in the company.
So they have $160 billion at 4% interest annually.
They're making bank just for holding this debt.
So I think President Trump is very smart, and he's seen that we can flood the world with our stablecoin, and you kind of get a two-for-one.
You create a dollar of debt, but then you create another dollar on top that can be used all over the world as the reserve currency.
And that should probably result in, I don't know, the Mar-a-Lago Accord or some new monetary system that we're going to have to come up with to really have our dollar be valued properly, but also still remain the reserve currency and remain the strong export country that we need to be.
What do we do?
We don't make anything that we sell abroad.
We can't all be serving each other burgers and fries and washing each other's cars and cleaning each other's homes.
We have to build something.
And all of that went overseas.
Everything.
Everything we got.
All of the stuff on this table.
This, you know, it didn't come out of his butt.
This is from China.
Although, I don't know.
So there's something big coming, really big, and it has to happen.
And Trump is a very meta guy.
People misunderstand.
He's going to refi the country.
He's a real estate guy.
He's going to figure out a way to refi it, and it'll be digital.
And a lot of the Bitcoiners don't like this because they like Bitcoin to be the money that the whole world uses.
You know, that may one day happen, but, you know, now it's more like the digital gold.
You know, you can keep your value in it.
And, you know, I can send a billion dollars.
If I had it, I could send a billion dollars to another country, to another person in 10 minutes.
And, you know, no one can stop me.
So it's a very useful tool, but it hasn't quite turned out to be money or currency the way it was originally intended.
But it's going to be a very important part of it.
I think you'll see Bitcoin be a part of that strategic reserve.
It's easier than sending gold, you know, than, oh, I'm going to ship you a billion dollars worth of gold.
I need, you know, armored cars.
I need dudes, everything.
Security and ships and whatever.
So it'll be a part of it, and you'll still be able to use it between people.
But it looks to me like Stablecoin, Tether in particular, is going to be the future of the U.S. dollar payments.
And this is where a lot of people on the right, certainly, are very afraid of.
Control grid, you know, because a stable coin is not necessarily like Bitcoin.
You can stop it.
You can control it.
You can see who sent what to whom.
There's a lot of fear about this.
And particularly, although I don't see any maliciousness, there's fear that Elon and the PayPal mafia and Peter Thiel, all guys you've met, all guys you've had on the show, I think are actually quite nice people.
That they're going to bring in the new with AI and we're all going to be locked in.
Stargate will bring cancer mRNA vaccines that will be mandated.
I mean, people are spinning up over this stuff.
And I'm not saying that they're necessarily wrong or there should be no concern, but we are moving towards a digital dollar, and it will have aspects of control, which is why I like the backup of Bitcoin, so I can still...
Transact and do things without anybody being able to stop it.
And you're gonna get none of that with a shit coin.
Nothing.
joe rogan
When FTX, that scandal, what were they trading in?
Was that all meme coins?
Was that different cryptos?
Is there a difference between meme coins and established crypto coins?
adam curry
Well, an established...
Anything but Bitcoin has someone who can change the ledger, who can change the blockchain.
Bitcoin, you can't do that.
It's a beautiful system.
The checks and balances are immutable.
I mean, that's the beauty of Bitcoin.
Any other blockchain that is owned or operated by a company or people can be and will be manipulated.
And FTX was one of those.
What I believe FTX was really used for was slush fund into Democrat Party and politicians, not just, also to some Republicans as well.
That kid, that Sam Bankman-Fried, he got abused by his parents, I think.
I'm just alleging this.
I don't want to get sued over it.
But when you see what was going on there and the money that was just being...
You know, slushed right through into different foundations.
joe rogan
Those parents were democratic operatives, right?
adam curry
Big time.
They had non-profits and all kinds of...
joe rogan
And he was the number two donor to the Democratic Party.
adam curry
That's right.
joe rogan
That's right.
And you're doing that to kind of...
Buy your way through this shenanigans.
adam curry
That's what it seemed like to me, yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're doing shenanigans.
adam curry
Big time.
joe rogan
And they're all also doing amphetamines and polyamorous relationships in the Bahamas.
adam curry
It's a polycule, Joe.
It's just a polycule.
I mean, it was sad for these kids because they were just all excited and doing stuff.
I mean, I've been in...
I've raised money from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital, and when you get them all googly-gaga over, oh, this guy was so cool, he was sitting in the pitch meeting, and he was playing a video game, but he's such a genius!
I mean, what?
Are you kidding me?
Venture capital investors are not necessarily the most sophisticated.
joe rogan
Well, they want results, and if they're getting results, they'll put on the blinders.
adam curry
I was just reading about Elizabeth Holmes.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I love that story.
adam curry
She got screwed.
joe rogan
She got screwed?
adam curry
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
How so?
adam curry
Well, okay.
So...
She was in a situation where the so-called smartest investors in the world, which included Colin Powell, and everyone was in on this deal.
Everyone's like, you've got to get your money in now.
Bring everybody in.
We've got this big fund.
This is going to be it.
This is the blood test.
It'll change medicine.
And they hyped her up.
They put her in the magazines.
She was looking like the female Steve Jobs.
And she got caught up in it.
And falsify.
joe rogan
But you're taking agency away from her.
She changed her voice.
She started dressing like Steve Jobs.
She started lying about results.
She fired people that didn't go along with it.
adam curry
Yes.
But does she deserve to go to jail for 10 years for ripping off people who were stupid?
joe rogan
Yes.
adam curry
Really?
joe rogan
Well, you can't rip people off.
adam curry
I think you have restitution and things that you can do.
joe rogan
Hundreds of millions of dollars people lost.
Like, that's not restitution.
You don't have that money.
You're not going to pay it back because your product sucks.
So they've dumped all this money and lost.
adam curry
It's a civil crime, and there's definitely some blame on the investors, but the investors were too big to look stupid.
So I think they pushed a little bit more on her than she does.
I'm not trying to defend her false vacation.
joe rogan
Do you think she should go to jail at all?
adam curry
Yeah, but not for 10 years.
joe rogan
How long?
A couple days?
adam curry
Yeah, just a couple days.
Just enough to transition, Joe.
Just enough to become a dude and then we're good to go.
It's just another example of big money being stupid.
Maybe they could just admit that.
They pushed her.
I know how it goes.
I remember we had a pod show.
Which was a lot of sophisticated investors, Kleiner and Sequoia.
Same people, Elon.
I met Elon when they launched Tesla.
I was at the hangar where they did the first test drives.
It was interesting.
And I was like, this guy seems like on the spectrum.
He's not really talking much.
It's like, what's going on here?
What's happening with this?
And, you know, so we were doing podcasting, so this is right after, maybe a year after Steve Jobs put it into iTunes and the iPod, and so there was money coming in, and, you know, the first thing they said is, you've got to be in San Francisco.
Well, if you want a media company, where's the last place you want to be is San Francisco?
You need to be L.A. or New York.
No, no, no, you've got to be here.
joe rogan
Why did they want you to be in San Francisco?
adam curry
So they could come and see the office and check out the operation and make sure their money's being spent well.
joe rogan
How often are they going to visit?
adam curry
Oh, you have no idea.
They're always dropping by, like, what's going on?
And so you're doing reports.
joe rogan
No, they just want to hang out with the cool guy.
adam curry
Well, that too, maybe.
But then, you know, it was definitely a struggle.
We were actually...
Kind of profitable for a bit there, but it was, you know, like GoDaddy ads with promo codes.
You know, Code Bongino!
I mean, it was like, you know, it was like, yeah, are people really listening?
Are they just using the codes?
And there's always a lot of scams.
joe rogan
Like the honey scam?
adam curry
Well, no, not like that.
No, there's scams of, you know...
We didn't do this, but when companies need to raise more money in Silicon Valley, then they'll buy some traffic from bots.
And I'm sure it happens with comedy videos, too.
People are like, I need some traffic on this video, let me buy some bots on something.
joe rogan
Oh, you definitely can do that, right?
adam curry
Right, of course.
But then at a certain point, YouTube had come out.
Oh, YouTube.
Everyone has to do video now.
unidentified
You've got to do video.
adam curry
You can't do audio.
You've got to do video.
And then it got even worse.
We sat in a board meeting like, have you seen Joost?
I'm like, do you remember Joost?
J-O-O-S-T? Oh, yeah.
unidentified
What was that?
adam curry
It was the guys who built Skype.
They built this video platform that was basically a peer-to-peer streaming television shows.
And there was no doubt about it.
You've got to go video, be more like Juiced, make your interface like Juiced.
So at a certain point, you're like, well, what am I going to do?
Am I going to risk running out of money?
Am I going to listen to what they say?
Do they really know what they're talking about?
And ultimately, the company ran for 10 years and no one exited.
It just kind of got folded into other things.
So it was not a great investment of their money or my time, honestly.
joe rogan
Well, it's kind of amazing that the big video platform is still just YouTube.
You know, YouTube just passed.
Netflix now is the most watched thing on television.
adam curry
Oh, they're not even counted in the streaming data, in the streaming wars.
But yeah, they're the big...
I have YouTube TV. I cut the cable.
I don't have cable anymore.
joe rogan
I watch YouTube on TV more than I watch anything.
Because there's so much variety.
There's so many different things you can search.
The fact that you could essentially find anything...
If I'm interested in some particular region of the world of ancient history, I just...
Punch that into YouTube, and I have hundreds, if not thousands, of videos on it.
adam curry
It took them a long time, I think, to make that profitable inside of Google, because if you see how many videos are being uploaded daily and transformed into digital video, and, I mean, it's crazy the amount of computation that goes into YouTube and the amount of bandwidth that is being sent.
So I think it took a long time.
They never really reported the numbers.
We've done that in the past couple of years with how much revenue.
Now, of course, YouTube is making bank.
I mean, it's really – it's an incredible system.
joe rogan
It's shocking that no one has come up with anything even remotely close.
adam curry
It would take too much money.
It's so much investment that goes into doing that.
It's a lot.
I mean, you remember your bandwidth cost back in the day pre-Spotify.
You know, think how do you solve that when you have 100 million videos being posted every single day?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't.
adam curry
I mean, it's insane.
joe rogan
You'd have to have billions of dollars.
And then you're still struggling to get people to use your app.
Like, you remember that one company that came up?
Was it Quibi?
What was it?
Yes.
Was that what it was?
They spent so much money.
adam curry
Was it Katzenberg?
Katzenberg and...
joe rogan
I do not remember.
adam curry
It was a Hollywood thing.
unidentified
It was Quibi.
joe rogan
It was a Hollywood thing.
adam curry
I think it was Quibi, Jamie.
joe rogan
And they got a bunch of famous people to do short videos.
adam curry
Short drama.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
And they put $2 billion in and...
joe rogan
Yeah.
adam curry
Gone.
joe rogan
They blew it real quick.
adam curry
Because you can't...
joe rogan
You can't manufacture something that goes viral.
adam curry
No, you can't.
And that's...
Kind of like TikTok.
We talked about TikTok last time, I think, when I was here.
And, you know, obviously it's not an issue now that China is spying through TikTok because it's still here.
I think, as I told you then, I think it's because they were eating Silicon Valley's lunch, you know, doing $4 billion, taking away revenue from them.
And just looking at the people who sponsored the bill, it seemed like they had a lot of donations from Google and Amazon.
You know, that just seemed to me like there might be some issues.
But what people misunderstand about TikTok is it's not just about the videos and the format and how it flies by.
It's about the shop.
The shop is their magic sauce.
If you look at the back end...
The influencers who get paid on TikTok, they have this whole back end with rankings and who sold more stuff.
Half the videos on TikTok, once you get out of your algo, half of them are about products.
And people are just selling products.
And it's all from China and it's all been coming in under the $800 de minimis.
Tax regulation.
So there's no import duty or anything paid on it.
They actually have, I think, Timu now has warehouses in America.
So it's just Chinese crap that we're buying over and over again.
It's wildly successful.
It's not really about the ads.
Do you get ads on TikTok?
unidentified
A lot of ads?
joe rogan
I don't use TikTok.
adam curry
Okay, good.
Yeah.
So when it was going to go away, I'm like, I got to get this app.
I got to see what happens.
You know, I was like, this is going to be crazy.
So I get the app and I'm using my Graphene OS phone so I can lock off all access.
All it had was my location.
Can't hide that from the IP address and my name.
joe rogan
You can get TikTok on a Graphene phone?
adam curry
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
adam curry
And you can actually block it from accessing your contacts.
joe rogan
But still, that was too much for you.
You had to go to a flip phone.
That's interesting.
adam curry
Well, that was my, it's my experimental thing.
And so all it knew was Adam Curry in the Hill Country.
And it went, I think it went, Curry, black name, Hill Country, there's probably about 50 churches where he is.
Boom, right away, I'm getting black preachers, hellstone, brim, oh yeah, and it's just like, and on and on and on.
It's been phenomenal.
And some of these guys are pretty good.
The ones that fall back, you know, and the guy catches them every single time.
And so their algorithm is just give that person more of what they want.
They're not trying to do like us, like meta or I'm not sure about X how that works, but let me inject some people who are against it or have a counter argument.
Like when I was on the last time and I talked about my coming to Jesus.
Dude, there were TikTok videos with millions of views of just this one bit.
And if you looked at it one time, you get the same over and over again.
You get all kinds of Jesus stuff back and forth.
That's all.
Not anyone going...
Yeah, you guys are crazy!
You know, this is no good.
None of that.
So it's a very friendly...
It's kind of the Chinese model.
It's like, give people what they want and don't try to interject them or spin them up or get them angry and then throw an ad in their face when they're all emotional.
So it's very different.
It's a very different concept.
I don't know if it'll be worth anything to anyone buying it unless you have the shop portion.
Without that, I don't know.
joe rogan
Don't you think they'd have all that too?
adam curry
You gotta have the products.
You gotta have the cheap Chinese products.
That's the problem.
Do you have that stuff?
joe rogan
You'd have to be buying them from China.
adam curry
It's fun for us.
Different crazy people.
Dvorak uses it all the time.
He's in an algo of just nut jobs.
He's like, blue hair, look at this!
He plays clips on the show.
I'm like, dude, you gotta do something else with your life during the day.
joe rogan
It's just amazing how many of those...
Those kooky people are getting so much traction and that was the thought that it was a Chinese psyop that they were accentuating all these people and that was like ruining the culture of America because it was showing you all these Blue-haired psychopaths with beards and lipstick and nail polish.
adam curry
So I heard the same thing.
I heard people saying, dude, you're wrong.
They want to get rid of TikTok because that's where MAGA lives.
I'm like, huh?
Because that's all they got.
joe rogan
They got MAGA. Because that's what offends them.
adam curry
Exactly.
So it's very social media.
The internet in general was kind of a bad idea.
It's good for many people.
Why would you say it's a bad idea, though?
I think it's a great idea.
unidentified
Well...
joe rogan
I mean, you were just talking about to shift the balance of information.
adam curry
Because of the psyops.
If we're not aware of the psyops, you know, the DARPA, the Defense Agency Research Project...
joe rogan
Agency.
adam curry
Agency?
I had too many agencies in there.
DARPA. Since the 70s, they've been...
Looking at social networks.
And really, there's a guy, he came up with the law of large numbers.
And they figured out that in a computer network, regardless of the content, depending on if you have enough nodes, you can predict where the information will flow.
So if I'm talking about something here, if they...
Boost the right nodes, they can predict where that information will go.
I don't think even Elon can stop that from happening.
It's not an algorithm thing.
It's literally like a law of nature thing.
That's the way it will flow, and you can start injecting things to the right nodes, and you'll propagate some message.
I think it's happening all the time, everywhere.
Once you start looking, it's like, well, where's...
Where's that coming from?
joe rogan
Well, I think we need to educate people on how to digest social media.
And I think you should treat it the same way you treat junk food.
And I think there's certain aspects of social media that are really interesting, and I like them.
I mean, most of what I get on social media is what my friends send me.
So that's how I do it.
And this is how I stay sane.
It's like my friends send me wacky things and I go, oh my god, what is this?
Me and my friend, Christina Prasitsky, she sends me the nuttiest trans activists screaming and nutty guys who think that they're women.
And then me and Tom Segura, we exchange murder videos.
Murder and car accidents and animal attacks.
And then, you know...
adam curry
Or breakfast?
joe rogan
No.
I try not to in the morning, but sometimes I have to check my text message because I have business stuff.
I have things going on, you know, guests and this and that.
So I do check, but, you know, it's very intoxicating to just sit there on the toilet and just start scrolling.
adam curry
Toilet scroller.
joe rogan
But you gotta...
You know, you've got to develop discipline.
And discipline's important for every aspect of your life.
You have to know, like, when you've had too much.
adam curry
But that's not easy for young kids.
joe rogan
Right.
It's not.
But I think they can learn just like they've learned everything else in this world.
adam curry
But you need parental guidance and most of the parents are hooked on it themselves.
joe rogan
Well, I think they need a message, you know.
And I think this conversation is part of that message.
You know, I think kids need to realize, like, you are wasting time.
If you spend two hours just scrolling through TikTok, you have wasted time.
And there's stuff that you probably should be doing.
And you're going to be depressed if you don't do those things.
You're going to feel weird.
You're not going to feel satisfied.
You're not going to feel like you're on a good path.
You're going to not have a lot of...
Respect for yourself.
If you just sit on the couch all day and scroll through TikTok, which many people listening to this have done.
A whole day.
Just sitting there, eating chips, scrolling through TikTok, and just wasting your day.
That is possible to do.
I think there's ways that you can incorporate it into your life where it's interesting.
And I've got good algorithms now, especially on YouTube.
But pretty good algorithms on Instagram too, where most of the stuff it's showing me is stuff I'm actually interested in.
adam curry
Do you get those videos when you're interested in a topic and then there'll be like five different videos that are being suggested to you and about five minutes in you're like, this is just an AI voice that's cobbled a whole bunch of old things together and it's a new version of it and I'm not learning anything?
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
There's always those too.
I think YouTube is the best.
Because, like, I'm interested in specific subjects, right?
Like, I'm a car nut.
I love old cars in particular.
adam curry
This, by the way, lots of people love restored things.
People love restored cars.
We love...
You have...
I think...
Do you still have your car?
joe rogan
Which one?
adam curry
The Corvette?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
adam curry
I mean, beautifully restored.
Just peak...
Last time I saw it, which was, I think, in LA. Oh, it's gorgeous.
joe rogan
Yeah.
adam curry
This is what I think...
The president is doing.
He's trying to restore us back to being that great American muscle car.
And I think people, everybody loves a beautiful restored muscle car.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, America's making real muscle cars right now.
Like, this is one of the rare times where America's got very exciting automobiles that are out now.
We've talked a bunch of times about the Corvette ZR1, which is breaking all these laps.
adam curry
Is that the mid-engine?
joe rogan
It's the mid-engine, 1,000-horsepower Corvette.
adam curry
Tina won't let me buy one.
I'm like, why not?
joe rogan
You gotta put your foot down.
adam curry
No, no, I'm good.
I'm good.
joe rogan
Mommy tells you what to do.
adam curry
No, no, no.
She's like, that's a douchebag car.
For me, it would be kind of douchey.
Why?
joe rogan
It's awesome.
Don't think that way.
That's silly.
adam curry
Ever since I started flying 350 miles an hour, I don't care about how fast they go on the ground, Joe.
It's not even how fast you go.
joe rogan
But that's why I like old cars, because it's not even how fast they go.
adam curry
I had a C5, though.
I did have a...
Those are cool.
joe rogan
They're a little shitty, actually.
They really got good around C7. C7 was nasty.
adam curry
That heads-up display was cool, though.
joe rogan
Oh, C5 had a heads-up display?
Yeah, it had a heads-up display.
Look at that.
That's the new one.
That's the ZR1. Come on, son.
That is not a douchebag car.
That's a goddamn American work of art.
That's a fucking American work of art.
adam curry
Yeah, that's nice.
Can I get my dog in it, though?
joe rogan
Look at that.
How big is your dog?
adam curry
95 pounds.
joe rogan
What is he?
adam curry
She is a...
She, sorry.
Pyrenees Akbash Rescue Mutt.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cute.
adam curry
Completely white.
joe rogan
I didn't mean to misgender your dog.
adam curry
Yeah, she's very angry.
joe rogan
Look how awesome that looks, man.
You don't have to take your dog everywhere.
Reward yourself, Adam Curry.
You're the podfather.
Get a fucking Corvette.
Look at that thing.
adam curry
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
It's a cockpit inside of that thing.
adam curry
That is beautiful.
joe rogan
And the performance of that is unparalleled.
It's an amazing automobile.
adam curry
A friend of mine, he just, because he's a real American car nut.
joe rogan
Real American hero.
adam curry
He just bought a...
unidentified
Look at that.
adam curry
A Tesla Model 3. Look at that.
And he bought it for the autopilot.
He says, I wish this came in 16-cylinder, you know, multi-turbo.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
adam curry
But he says the autopilot, he just loves that.
He loves the autopilot.
joe rogan
I have an S, the Plaid.
I have a Plaid Tesla, the four-door larger sedan.
adam curry
Does it have the autopilot?
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
Full self-drive?
It's incredible.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
I don't use it that much.
I like to drive.
But just the capability of the car is amazing.
adam curry
Yeah.
joe rogan
The speed and the effortlessness in which it merges with traffic and just takes off.
With no sound.
adam curry
It's beautiful, man.
It's beautiful.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's different.
So I like old, air-cooled Porsches.
adam curry
I had a 911 a long time ago.
joe rogan
They're not fast.
They're not fast compared.
adam curry
Did you have a manual?
Manual?
joe rogan
Yeah, always.
adam curry
The truck clutch, like, you gotta push that thing in.
joe rogan
Well, they're floor-mounted, too.
They're different.
The old Porsches are different.
But what they are is a physical experience.
It's like a ride.
It's a fun, exhilarating experience where you hear the...
You hear the engine, you're shifting the gears yourself.
It's exciting and engaging.
And that is more important to me sometimes than just speed.
I don't need to go fast.
It's not even about going fast.
adam curry
It's the whole experience.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're feeling the rear end break a little with your ass.
adam curry
Can't do that anymore in these modern cars, man.
It doesn't work anymore.
We used to put Porsche engines into VW buses back in the day.
That was awesome.
You can fit it in a...
Beetle, too.
You can fit a Porsche engine into a boat.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people have done crazy Beetle transformations where they've hyped up Porsche engines and put them in the back of those things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a whole, like, modding community of Beetle freaks that take Beetles.
adam curry
They're Volkswagen.
They're Volkswagen.
Remember how many there were in the 70s coming in from Germany?
We all had a...
I had a 1303. I loved my Beetle.
joe rogan
It was the best.
Yeah, when I was a kid, my friend Jimmy had one.
He had a Beetle.
It was just cheap on gas.
It was easy to drive.
adam curry
Mine was, like, I had to jumpstart it because the lock had broken.
joe rogan
So you jumpstarted it every time you got in?
adam curry
You jumpstarted it every time you got in, and then I'd lost my gas cap, and so I just had a rag in there.
unidentified
Oh, God.
adam curry
And if I went...
Around the highway to the right, and if my tank was too full, then gas would leak out and my front tire would start to slide off.
Oh, Jesus.
Back when we were 18, you know, just like, eh, gotta drive this thing.
It was great.
I loved...
That was a good...
We weren't scrolling on TikTok, Joe Rogan.
We were doing dangerous stuff.
joe rogan
That's true.
adam curry
We were jump-starting our cars.
joe rogan
Well, I think we're lucky that we've seen both.
We grew up in a time where there was no internet, and you were going outside to do things, and people did physical activities.
But then as we got older, we recognized that there's this new technology that's connecting the whole world in this weird way, and we're getting to experience it as people who know the world before that.
I think we're real lucky.
adam curry
Well, you're a big part of a change, certainly, in young men.
I mean, I've seen so many young men who follow you and follow your workout regime.
Listen to you.
They listen to you about what you're saying about health, about food, and you're an important voice in that regard.
You've really, really helped a lot of young men in our country and far beyond.
I mean, I know you don't take compliments like this well, but it's very important what you've done.
joe rogan
But I'm very happy.
adam curry
Very, very important what you're doing.
joe rogan
There's a lot of young men that just feel like real disconnected to the world.
Nothing seems to be anything that is interesting.
adam curry
You know, there's, in the 60s, so I've been, ever since I got saved and become a believer,
I've really learned about our American history, and I've been blown away by how much Because a lot of, you know, you can talk about the 60s and when they outlawed psychedelic drugs and put it on Schedule 1. That was the exact same time when the Bible was basically taken out of school and it was, you know, and I think the church in general, you know, kind of went into itself and kind of, you know, became a thing you do over there on Sundays.
joe rogan
Can we pause real quick?
You got to pee?
You got to pee?
Let's pause.
We'll come back.
We'll talk about...
Jesus!
We'll be right back.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
We're back.
adam curry
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Much better, right?
adam curry
Thank you.
Thank you.
joe rogan
So we were going to talk about the vaping thing because you were saying that there's nothing wrong with vaping.
adam curry
Well, I didn't say there's nothing wrong with vaping.
joe rogan
So what is that?
Can I see it?
unidentified
Yeah.
Can I hold it?
adam curry
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is a brick.
I mean, you could hurt somebody with this.
If you wanted to fuck somebody up, if you get a good grip...
adam curry
Yeah, yeah.
It's like brass knuckles almost.
Like holding a roll of pennies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, you wouldn't do that.
You're going to break your hand.
That's all silly.
adam curry
That's why I carry my gun.
joe rogan
That's probably better.
adam curry
That's the battery.
This is heavy.
So when I gave up, I've always...
joe rogan
Can I take a pull of this?
adam curry
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
How do you do it?
adam curry
The top button.
joe rogan
Press the button?
adam curry
Yeah, press it and just suck.
joe rogan
What is the flavor of this?
adam curry
Tobacco-ish.
joe rogan
Tobacco-ish.
unidentified
as tobacco basically so that was a little hit Yeah, you kind of got a...
joe rogan
You take a big one, right?
adam curry
Let it warm up a little bit.
You press the button and then, yeah, there you go.
It's crackling.
Yeah, yeah, go.
Go, go, go, go.
There you go.
joe rogan
That's definitely different than the gas station ones.
adam curry
Oh, you don't want those.
This is organic juice.
It's got 0.3% nicotine.
I wind my own coil made out of silver.
The cotton is American-made cotton, not from China.
No, I've got into this.
unidentified
Cotton?
joe rogan
What's the cotton for?
adam curry
So, if you look at the mechanism...
See?
joe rogan
Okay.
adam curry
So the cotton sucks up the juice, and then the coil warms up.
joe rogan
So the cotton's like the filter?
adam curry
No, the cotton has the juice in it, and then when the coil warms up, it creates the vapor from the juice that's in it.
joe rogan
So do you have to constantly refresh the cotton?
adam curry
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so you just dunk your cotton in the juice?
adam curry
No, no, no.
joe rogan
The juice is inside.
adam curry
It's in the tank, yeah.
It has little wires in there, so it crawls up.
joe rogan
So you just put new cotton in every now and again?
adam curry
Yeah.
And wind a new coil from time to time.
joe rogan
How long do you have to wait before you put new cotton in?
adam curry
It depends.
I do it usually once every couple of days.
joe rogan
That doesn't give me the weird head rush that the gas station ones do.
adam curry
That's Chinese crap.
joe rogan
That's what I like, though.
unidentified
All right.
adam curry
Well, good luck to you.
joe rogan
I would like the first hit.
That's what you like off the gas station vapes.
It's like you're chasing a dragon.
You get that first hit and you're like...
First hit's like...
So relaxing.
And then after that, you never get that again.
adam curry
So I really got into this.
There was a store in Fredericksburg called Vaporlicious.
They've retired now.
They've retired.
Jerry and Kathy.
And they're two old hippies from...
joe rogan
Why did they make it so unwieldy?
adam curry
Well, you can get all kinds of different versions, but I'm a serious user, so I need this whole battery.
I have a whole kit with me, man.
I got a screwdriver to open this up and put a new battery in.
joe rogan
And that doesn't fuck with your lungs or your health or anything like that?
adam curry
No.
I've never felt this good.
joe rogan
Okay, and so this is different juice.
So what is the juice?
Because the thing about the actual oil is the issue, right?
adam curry
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is a thing like a lot of these cheap ones that you're buying off the gas station.
adam curry
You don't know what's in there.
This is glycol, which is...
Right.
Essentially the same stuff that's in the theatrical mist machines.
joe rogan
Okay.
adam curry
Only much watered down.
And all it does is just produce vapor.
And so what is vapor?
Well, it's mainly water.
And, of course, you're mixing it with nicotine.
And nicotine, you know, that's the piece that I've always liked.
About smoking.
But now I don't get the tar.
I don't get all other contaminants.
And I also don't get high.
I used to smoke a lot of weed.
I stopped.
I haven't felt like doing it anymore.
Like a glass of wine.
I do have gorilla grip on it.
Everywhere I go, I'm like, where's my vape?
I'm fully aware I'm addicted to more the...
The motion of it, because, oh, I mean, I would roll up, you know, I could roll them with one hand behind my back if I'm doing it so long.
So a real spliff with tobacco, with weed, and then it would go out and I'd put it down and I'd come up, pick it up again.
At a certain point, it was like three in the morning, I'd wake up like, I think I'll go roll a joint, you know, smoke a whole spliff, go back to bed.
I mean, it got to be a little, I was smoking a lot, you know, and without it.
I'm very productive, Joe.
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
adam curry
I gotta tell you, I'm super productive.
unidentified
I'm doing all kinds of things.
Well, nicotine is very good for productivity.
adam curry
As does caffeine.
Well, those are my two drugs, you know, caffeine and nicotine.
I kind of dig it.
I really do.
joe rogan
They're very good for productivity.
adam curry
Yeah.
Is there any bad stuff?
I mean, I know it constricts your blood flow in your mouth and in other parts probably.
I mean, obviously you're putting something in your stream, so I don't know.
But you like those pouches?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
But I wanted to see what happens if I took...
Time off, and I went out of the country for five days and didn't bring them, and I was fine.
Didn't bother me at all.
I was wondering if I'd be itching for one.
adam curry
I'm okay on the plane.
I can fly to Europe.
I'm okay.
I don't need to vape.
unidentified
Can you go in the bathroom and just get a quick one in there on the plane?
adam curry
You know, this is a very bad idea.
You do not want to be caught vaping on the plane.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
adam curry
Yeah, of course.
Did that set off a fire alarm?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Can you blow it right into the toilet?
adam curry
You can do what they call zero vape, which is basically you inhale and you just hold it in until nothing comes out.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam curry
Or, you know, I've done one of these.
joe rogan
And they go under your jacket.
Yeah, I know.
I've seen people do that at the movie theater and stuff.
adam curry
That is not approved behavior, so I do not condone that.
It's okay.
I can handle not vaping for eight hours or whatever.
joe rogan
So what's in the gas station ones when you're getting that?
adam curry
Who knows?
joe rogan
What's in the oil?
adam curry
Who knows?
Who knows?
That's maybe what killed some people early on in COVID. It might have been bad.
A lot of THC, of course, these pre-made cartridges.
You just don't know what's in it.
It's like, don't vape that stuff.
Do not vape the pre-made things.
I mean, this is fun.
You get to learn how to do it.
It's manufacturing.
I can really get into it.
I got this diameter silver wire, and you do five loops or six loops for different impedance.
Oh, yeah, there's a whole...
I mean, this tank, this thing, you try different...
I must have 18 different vapes that I've tried, and this is the one.
joe rogan
Somebody gave me one at one point in time.
It was like...
It was carrying around a phone.
It was like I was carrying around...
It was the size of your flip phone.
adam curry
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I'm like, this is ridiculous.
adam curry
That's me, baby.
That's me.
joe rogan
I don't want to have another heavy thing in my pockets or in my fanny pack.
It's like...
adam curry
Yeah, no, this is okay.
I mean, it's all right.
And then this thing.
joe rogan
But you decided that the phone was too invasive, even with the graphene OS. Yeah.
adam curry
Yeah, because you could still do everything, just not being tracked.
And so I used to go to bed, and we'd go to bed at the same time.
We always watch some stupid, like we're in season seven of Seinfeld right now.
So we'll watch a half hour of stupidity, and then we go to bed, and I used to be on my phone.
You know, for half an hour scrolling stuff or whatever.
And then, you know, okay, I'm tired.
Yeah, because my brain has been working overtime on whatever inputs I'm giving it.
And now I'm like, well, there's nothing to scroll.
So I just go to bed and I'm out in three seconds.
I'm like, I sleep.
And I sleep all the way through and I wake up in the morning.
I'm refreshed.
I feel good.
I don't look at social media the first hour I'm up.
I mean, I do Bible readings and stuff and devotionals and my text a buddy of mine.
And I'm ready, man.
joe rogan
Do you do social media in the morning?
No.
adam curry
Almost not at all.
joe rogan
So when you do it, you do it from a computer?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you check it out at all?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when you do that, one of the questions I had about that, does that do voice-to-text from Andrew?
It can.
Oh, that's a game.
adam curry
However, of course, when you do that, Google is basically...
Keeping your transcript.
There's a company in Austin called Futo.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
So if you just text, it doesn't keep your transcript?
adam curry
Oh, I'm sure it does.
But if you...
I'm not sure how much of that it does, but when you speak into it, it goes to the Google servers.
The Google server then transcribes it and sends it back to your phone.
It's not happening on the phone.
It's happening on Google servers, and they probably keep all of that, or my voice, or whatever.
There's a company in Austin called FUTO, F-U-T-O, and they have an open-source voice-to-text system that don't keep your transcripts, and they're some good guys.
Messing with that.
It's not quite as fast as Google.
joe rogan
And will that work on that phone?
adam curry
Yeah, you can install it.
Yeah, just as an extra keyboard.
joe rogan
But do you ever send messages with Google Voice or with voice to text on that phone?
adam curry
I've been using Futo.
joe rogan
Oh, you have been on that phone?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I use it on my phone all the time, like when I'm in my car.
I press the little button for Apple Siri.
adam curry
Yeah, so who knows what Apple's doing with that?
You don't know.
joe rogan
Send it right to China.
All the memes.
adam curry
Maybe, maybe.
I don't know.
It's all right.
unidentified
It's okay.
adam curry
So I went to Boston.
You live in Boston, didn't you?
So we went to go see the Doobie Brothers.
joe rogan
When was this?
adam curry
Last year.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
They're around?
adam curry
Yes.
And it was wild.
It was in Massachusetts.
It was one of these amphitheaters that's half-covered.
And we were the youngest people there.
And people were sparking weed.
You could smell the whole place.
They're like 80-year-old dudes smoking doobies.
It was amazing.
And the Doobie Brothers play, and it was like, the first 45 minutes is them doing it.
This is from our album from five years ago.
Dude, we want China Grove, you know, give us long train running.
So eventually they get into that, but then they would, like Michael McDonald's, What a Fool Believes, you know, I love that song.
He would do it syncopically, like, instead of doing the song, like we all remember it, he'd do, what a fool.
Believe.
He's like, no, no, don't do that.
It was really disappointing.
But the opening act was Steve Winwood.
Steve Winwood's now almost 80 years old.
And I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
He railed.
He wailed.
He did, you know, Mr. Fantasy from Traffic?
Sure.
Three quarters of that song is...
That's a guitar solo.
And he's just like...
And the crowd is going nuts.
And he has all these young kids with him.
And you see the close-up on the screens and they're like...
Dude, look at what he's doing.
It was amazing.
I bring it up because the next day...
Did you go right out to Plymouth?
joe rogan
Did I go to Plymouth?
Massachusetts?
Plymouth Rock?
adam curry
Right.
So Plymouth Rock is kind of disappointing because it's a rock.
It's just a rock.
And there's a structure around it.
And like, okay, you know, it's a rock.
And there's a little sign next to it that says, we don't know that this was really the rock, but some guy in church who was 90 years old at the time said, yeah, I think this was the rock.
So that's the rock.
You were talking about the Georgia Guidestones a few episodes ago with somebody.
Did you know that we have an actual Guidestone in America in Plymouth?
joe rogan
No.
adam curry
It's called the Monument to the Forefathers.
I'd never heard of this.
It's about two blocks in, and it's, I think, arguably the largest granite structure in America, certainly, but maybe in the world.
It was completed in 1890, and it is the Guidestone of America.
joe rogan
How do I not know about this?
adam curry
No one knows about this.
Check it out.
The thing is huge, and it's literally in a cul-de-sac, a residential area.
unidentified
Really?
adam curry
How old is that?
It was completed in 1890 after 50 years of building it.
unidentified
Wow.
adam curry
And so this is the formula for America.
This is where I was going before our pee break.
The formula for America.
So they constructed this so that if we ever lost our way...
We could find our way back.
You know when they talk about, America was built on Christian values.
Like, what does that mean?
What does that even mean, Christian values?
I mean, even the word Christian is like, that was actually a slur back in the day that they came up with for Jesus believers.
So, in the middle is faith.
That's her name, faith.
And it's four sides.
And one is law.
Education, morality, and liberty.
And has all these cool inscriptions.
It's really something amazing to see.
And I believe that's the formula that we need to get back.
You actually, you live like this.
Joe Rogan lives these four sides.
You live, you understand law, morality, education, and liberty.
And if we can get back to that, you know, that would be just...
In fact, so all of our early presidents...
All of them live by the Bible.
Every single one of them.
They wrote about it.
They studied it.
1778, one of the first acts of a Congress was to print a Bible for everybody.
So I brought you...
This is done by a group called the Wall Builders.
And David Barton, he has all...
These are the receipts.
So it's a Bible, but it has three-quarters of that book is...
Writings by our early presidents all the way up through Reagan.
And this David Barton guy, he has all of these originals.
I think he lives in Aledo, Texas.
And it shows you what our code was in the early days up until the 60s.
And that's when we got this big argument about, oh, we can't have...
The First Amendment is the right to establish a religion.
And that has been...
Perverted throughout the years to say, well, you can't have the Bible in schools, and the government can't tell you to do this, and you can't be talking about—the Hall of Congress used to be a church.
I mean, that's how we started.
And you don't have to necessarily be a believer or saved by Jesus just to understand where we came from and the basic tenets of law.
Where those guys created it from.
You know, the receipts are in the Declaration of Independence.
Our Bill of Rights, our amendments, our rights, not that the government gives us.
You know, they all say the government shall not infringe.
The government may not do this.
It's what the government could not do because we had rights given to us by our creator.
And I think if we got back to a little bit of that in America...
We might get a bit more on path, which is why certainly all the Jesus freaks are like, President Trump is talking about God.
He says God saved him to save America.
A president is a big deal when he does stuff like that.
Just look at the people around us.
Russell Brand, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens.
There's a lot of people who are now starting to see this.
I know you love history.
That's why I bought that for you.
Because when you see where it comes from, a lot of things start to be clear.
And that sculpture, that was like, I had no idea it was there.
I'd never heard of it.
It's not in any books.
But it's kind of a template for where we came from.
And I think it's kind of important that we look at that as well as, you know, all the other things that we're looking at now with AI and social media.
And we can't just...
Be sitting around for four years going, yeah, Trump, yeah, Elon, stomp the libs.
We've got to find some spirituality one way or the other.
It doesn't have to be God.
I would like it to be, but people got to find that.
joe rogan
I think you're saying some wise things.
I think that people need some sort of a moral and ethical structure to live their life through.
Jordan Peterson always has this thing.
adam curry
Another one, yeah.
joe rogan
Whether or not if you believe in God, if you live like you believe in God, you will live a better life.
And that is true.
adam curry
I believe it.
joe rogan
I think that's true.
adam curry
I believe it, absolutely.
And it's very simple things.
joe rogan
It's a moral scaffolding.
adam curry
Yeah, it's very simple things, you know.
The Ten Commandments aren't that hard, you know.
It's like, that's your law.
If you believe that government, I mean, government is an extension of God, if you believe that he instates governments.
And I think that...
I think that God gave us Joe Biden for four years.
I really do.
He said, y'all gotta take a look.
He has humor, too, by the way.
Like, you should take a look.
And there's a story of...
I think it's Daniel, about King Nebuchadnezzar.
And King Nebuchadnezzar, he did not follow God's law.
And so God turned him into a donkey, basically, and he was out grazing for seven years, eating grass.
I'm like, that sounds a lot like President Biden, that he just turned him into a grass-eating donkey who had nothing left, you know?
joe rogan
Well, you have to see what happens when things go sideways to really understand it.
That's why people who grow up...
In poverty really can appreciate success a lot more than someone as a trust fund kid, right?
adam curry
Of course.
joe rogan
You have to know what it's like when things go bad.
And our country just experienced four years of being governed by people other than the elected leader.
And it's pretty clear now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, the way Mike Johnson laid it out that Biden didn't know what was in some of the executive orders.
adam curry
I didn't sign that.
joe rogan
Which is kind of crazy.
adam curry
It's crazy, man.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's interesting because some of that, like how much can you attribute it to faulty memory and how much of it is actually they passed things by his desk.
I don't know.
But at the end of the day, we got to see that this was not a good direction.
This is a terrible direction.
I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes that Kamala Harris did was when she went on The View and they asked her, what would you do differently?
And she said nothing.
adam curry
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
adam curry
But also, look at President Trump.
I mean, can you take a more wrong guy in the auspices and the opinion of...
Presidential and everything.
And he learned a lot during his first term.
I mean, this was a turnaround of epic proportion.
Epic proportion.
joe rogan
What's the biggest political comeback in the history of the world?
adam curry
It'll be in the history books.
This show will be a part of that.
It's going to be incredibly important for us to look back on this because...
You know, it's often the misfits.
That's who we've got to love the most.
So when I see the blue-haired people, I'm like, I really want to love them.
They probably wouldn't understand it.
joe rogan
Crazy, chaotic energy.
If they just found something they loved and pushed it into that, they'd be better off.
But also, it's like, what damaged them up until that point?
Like, what kind of a life did they live that left them in this place where they're 35 years old, weeping in front of a city council meeting?
Like, who are they and what went wrong?
And this is the thing, we kind of encourage this victim mentality.
adam curry
We do.
joe rogan
And we reward it.
It has social credit to it.
And you get to be in a special class of people.
And you get to say outrageous things.
And people allow you to.
And that's not good for anybody.
You have kids.
You know what it's like.
It's not good for kids.
You've got to tell them, well, that's not real.
You can't do that.
That's not yours.
There's things that...
You have to learn.
And if you reward victim mentality, then people look to become victims.
And so when that lady laid out all of her fucking physical ailments and all of her problems, as if that makes any of the things she's saying make sense, because she has all these problems.
Like, no, that's not how the world works.
adam curry
But you're right.
It's been rewarded.
unidentified
Rewarded.
Encouraged.
adam curry
And it's been rewarded by political operations, mainly to get votes and to bring...
These people have a vote, too.
They can vote, so bring them in.
joe rogan
This is a part of the PSYOP of USAID. And the PSYOP of just the government in general, these control structures that are essentially put in place to make sure that they remain in power.
adam curry
Do you know John Perkins?
joe rogan
Yes.
adam curry
Have you ever had him on?
joe rogan
No, I have not.
adam curry
Oh, man, because he wrote about this...
joe rogan
Economic hitman.
adam curry
Yeah, Confession of Economic Hitman.
Wow.
I mean, basically, USAID, that's what they do, but also State Department.
Marco Rubio seems like a good guy.
I'm kind of liking him.
But they've got intelligence units inside there.
There's all kinds of things that happen with State Department.
So I hope that also gets uncovered.
joe rogan
Well, Mike Benz was explaining yesterday.
I was like, this seems so intertwined.
What can be done in four years?
He goes, no, this is going to take 50 years.
More.
adam curry
That may be true.
joe rogan
It's going to take forever to unwind.
He goes, you have to understand how deep these tentacles go.
And he laid it out in...
Four and a half hours yesterday?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I probably talked for three minutes for the whole podcast.
I'm not kidding.
adam curry
With Mike, you got to like, can I get the transcript of this show and go over it slowly?
Because he goes fast, man.
He goes fast.
joe rogan
The thing that will happen is viral clips of specific things that he highlights and says that are very significant are going to go out.
Those are already out.
And I'm sure they're all over X right now as we're speaking.
adam curry
And I love that...
Doge is...
I was skeptical because, you know, we heard this during the Reagan administration.
Reagan wasn't going to do all this.
He was going to make government efficient, and of course it didn't.
When I hear that they're going to do the same thing to the military, amen, man.
joe rogan
Well, they have to be accountable to an audit.
adam curry
Yes.
They haven't done one ever.
joe rogan
Well, the Pentagon's failed seven of them.
And the thing is, like, fraud's real.
We know it's real, and we know people are pilfering.
And if you go unchecked for long enough, that becomes a part of the way people do business.
And, once that's established, and it's been established for decades, then it's very difficult to stop because as soon as you start investigating it, people go to jail.
And so they're going to try to stop you from investigating it.
They're going to try to, like, bury records.
And it's going to get wild.
adam curry
As I'm sure Mike told you, and I can't wait to see it, it's not just fraud.
It is the actual system.
Instead of us being open, and I think like Trump is doing, like, hey, we're just going to have terrorists on you, NATO, you don't like it, boom, we're not going to protect you.
You know, we've got to be fair about this.
You can't just be ripping us off.
We've been doing all these subversive things with money that's just going to NGOs and non-profits.
I mean, the whole Ukraine thing.
joe rogan
He highlighted all of this.
adam curry
Did he play the Victoria Nuland recorded phone call?
joe rogan
No, he didn't.
He showed the Biden thing where he said, you know, the prosecutor had to be fired or they wouldn't get the billion dollars in loans.
Right, right.
And son of a bitch.
adam curry
Well, Victoria Nuland in 2014, the Russians, I think, they recorded a phone call, and she's literally talking to the ambassador.
Okay, we want to put this guy in the government, that guy in the government, this guy in Senate.
Klitsch, leave him outside.
He can be the mayor or whatever.
I mean, that's not cool.
We have some stuff to repent for when all this comes out, and we should pick ourselves up and move forward and just be honest.
I think we can do it with a lot of honesty, too.
joe rogan
I hope so.
The problem is there's a lot of people that are going to be in deep trouble, and they're going to try to stop that from all this accountability.
adam curry
Was Mike bullish or bearish on it?
joe rogan
Well, he's in the storm.
It's like no one knows exactly what's going to happen when you're in the middle of the hurricane.
You're telling people what's going on, and that's where he is right now.
I mean, I asked him, how do you sleep?
He goes, I don't.
adam curry
He needs prayers.
He needs some prayers.
joe rogan
I'm sure he needs that.
adam curry
We'll cover him.
joe rogan
And I think his fight is very noble, and he's right.
He's right, and he's accurate, and the amount of information that guy's got in his head is astounding.
And he's pulling it all off the top of his head while we're talking because he lives this constantly.
Used to work at the State Department, uncovered all this stuff, been chasing it down forever, and is a legitimate historian on this.
adam curry
And thank you for giving him that platform.
And thank you for giving Trump a platform and all the things you've done.
But the people, when they think of CIA and, you know, these types of agencies, they always think, you know, dart guns and, you know, secret stuff.
But no, it's really subversive writing articles.
And my whole family kind of comes from military and intelligence backgrounds.
So I've heard...
You know what I learned?
This is crazy.
So my uncle was...
Big in the CIA. He was basically Tulsi Gabbard to Bush Sr. when he was VP. And then, you know, like, Iran-Contra happened, and, you know, he basically became ambassador to Korea.
He was exonerated, but he was moved out to a different post.
My aunt passed away a couple years back.
And when my cousin was doing her eulogy...
She said Aunt Meg actually outranked Uncle Don in the CIA. She ran the Russia desk, spoke fluent Russian, but had promised never to tell anybody, not even her own kids.
I'm like, what?
Aunt Meg spoke fluent Russian and ran the Russia desk for the CIA and outranked Uncle Don?
Like, that's some crazy stuff.
Crazy.
And all those folks, you know, they remember Russia as the real, real bad guys.
I mean, I went to—this is my own USAID story.
So in 1988, I think it was, we had the Moscow Music Peace Festival.
Do you remember that?
No.
And this is before the wall came down, and I was the only MTV person who went.
We went on a 727 from Newark.
It was Ozzy Osbourne, basically Black Sabbath.
It was Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Skid Row.
We stopped in Germany to pick up the Scorpions.
joe rogan
What was that flight like?
unidentified
Dude.
adam curry
You'll love this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
adam curry
There you go.
Wow.
joe rogan
You were filming things even back then.
adam curry
So the reason this happened was...
joe rogan
Look at you.
adam curry
Yeah.
Yeah, there you go.
Tico Torres from Bon Jovi.
I mean, so Doc McGee, who was the manager of Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, his...
I'm paraphrasing the story, but I'm pretty sure it's correct.
joe rogan
That was Ozzy.
I just realized that was Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne.
Like, who are those people?
unidentified
I'm like, oh my god.
adam curry
Look at Sharon.
Look at Sharon.
unidentified
I know.
adam curry
She's like a...
joe rogan
A kid.
adam curry
And like a British housefrau.
Nice roly-poly.
She's not the...
No O-Face for her.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
O-Face?
Oh, Ozempic.
adam curry
Yeah.
So...
joe rogan
Look at Ozzy.
adam curry
So Doc McGee's Learjet had been caught smuggling in like, you know, bales of marijuana into Florida.
And his get-out-of-jail-free card was he was supposed to organize an anti-drug and alcohol concert in Moscow.
Right.
So this is where I'm pretty sure USAID came into it and the CIA. And so this was supposed to be a complete drug-free, alcohol-free.
We're all going to go there.
We're going to do a huge one-night concert.
We're there for a week on the plane.
Ozzy is so drunk.
He's so drunk.
So we're in the back there, and he's at the laboratory mid-plane, and someone else is in there.
unidentified
And he's like, sure!
adam curry
Sure!
unidentified
Sure!
adam curry
And she's like, oh, Ozzy!
unidentified
And he pees his pants right there in the aisle.
adam curry
Like, holy crap.
Ozzy Peter's pants.
This was a wild trip.
And I got a briefing beforehand by some dudes in suits.
This is 88, so I wasn't really thinking USAID, CIA. And they're like, here's the deal.
You're going to be there.
Do not talk to any women.
Don't go to any hookers.
Do not take any hookers to your room.
They're all going to be KGB. And you don't want any part of this.
And our people are going to be watching.
joe rogan
KGB hookers.
adam curry
KGB hookers.
We actually did go to the hooker boat, which was pretty wild.
joe rogan
It was a boat?
adam curry
Yeah.
They had a prostitute boat.
The ugliest hookers in the world is like, nah, no one's gonna...
Pirates.
We all kind of went to go check them out.
We're in the hotel.
This is Soviet Union still.
They literally turned on the heat in that part of the city.
It was winter.
And the mattresses were made of straw, and you had to bribe the lady for a phone call.
You'd reserve it 24 hours in advance.
You have to give her tuna fish and toilet paper rolls.
It was wild.
unidentified
Wow.
adam curry
Middle of the night, I'm with Sebastian Bach from Skid Row.
We're outside.
We go to Red Square.
We're drinking vodka on Red Square at 3 in the morning.
Walk back to the hotel.
There's the Moscow Hells Angels show up.
And they're on these Yugoslav motorcycles.
And they're popping wheelies and falling off.
And we're like, what's going on?
And then this Russian official comes up.
They had the really big hats.
And he's like...
Tap, tap, tap on the back of one of the merch trucks.
And all he wanted was t-shirts.
And so, you know, he gave them a whole bunch of t-shirts.
Everybody leaves.
Crazy.
So we have this concert.
And the kids are going...
They went nuts.
Of all the bands.
Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Ozzy.
They all knew Ozzy.
They were all singing phonetically.
They, you know...
They didn't know the words, you know.
But the crazy train kind of came out of their mouth.
And...
What was...
joe rogan
Look at this!
adam curry
Yeah, it was insane.
You can see all the...
joe rogan
Can you give me some volume?
adam curry
There's some military in front, I think.
There it is.
Look at that.
unidentified
Flying high again!
Listen to the likes of Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, and Skid Row, who all agreed to play.
Wow.
adam curry
So, here's the kicker.
The Scorpions had a number one hit, Winds of Change.
The Winds of Change.
You don't remember the song.
And it was the only song they did not write.
And that song was the anthem when the wall came down.
Which happened literally...
Oh, here you go.
joe rogan
Did the CIA write a power ballot to bring down the USSR? What?
adam curry
Yep.
joe rogan
Is that real?
adam curry
I think so.
I think so.
joe rogan
I don't remember that song.
Can we play some of that song and cut it out, Jamie?
Play it for us and cut it out.
We'll cut this part out of the show, folks.
Just go listen to Scorpions.
adam curry
What a shame, man.
We could be PSYOP-ing more Germans.
joe rogan
1990. Yeah.
Wow.
It's a good fucking song.
Yeah.
adam curry
A CIA writes hits, baby.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
The CIA wrote a banger.
adam curry
A huge banger.
And here's the funniest part.
So when the wall comes down, this is number one.
It was 1990. And I think, I can't remember, I think they might have been phonetically singing along with it in Lennon Stadium when we were there, because it was a number one hit.
It was everywhere, this song.
joe rogan
So this is a year before the wall came down?
jamie vernon
This says the song was written after the concert, like in response to the concert.
adam curry
Yeah, okay.
I told you I don't have it all right.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
But the CIA wrote it.
adam curry
The CIA wrote it.
They probably had it in the archives.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
adam curry
The funniest thing was...
So, huge in Europe at the time was Baywatch.
You know, the whole...
Have you ever had Hasselhoff on?
joe rogan
No.
adam curry
There's a funny guy.
This guy, he's...
joe rogan
He was on Fear Factor.
adam curry
Oh.
joe rogan
He did Celebrity Fear Factor.
adam curry
Did you like him?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a nice guy.
adam curry
I mean, I've met him a couple times.
You know, he had to go to the bathroom a lot at the time.
But, you know, whatever.
MTV Beach House.
His manager would be like, David, I think you need to go to the bathroom to get some energy.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
adam curry
Anyway, so the story of Baywatch is phenomenal because he self-financed it.
Nobody wanted it in America.
And it became this monstrous global hit everywhere except America in the beginning.
And he became wildly successful, rich.
And Germany is where it was number one.
It was just for years number one Baywatch.
And so Hasselhoff, or as they say, der Hoff, hello Deutschland, here's der Hoff!
Everyone knew him.
He was standing on top of the wall with a sledgehammer, and he claims that he brought down the Berlin Wall.
unidentified
Was Baywatch a PSYOP? Is that what you got now?
adam curry
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Well, this is also part of the thing that Mike Benz got into with the music business, that they do sort of finance these disruptive kind of songs and political movements.
adam curry
Sure.
unidentified
Of course.
adam curry
Of course.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah, it's a powerful tool.
joe rogan
That's the book about Laurel.
adam curry
There he is!
There he is!
He's bringing down the wall!
joe rogan
What is he singing?
Oh, he was a pop star, right?
adam curry
He had these disco hits.
He had these poppy hits, yeah.
And freedom, baby!
I did it!
And he's got this glittering jacket on and everything.
Awesome!
American icon, ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
That's not even glittery.
That's an LED jacket.
That jacket's got a battery.
adam curry
Of course, we loved him from Knight Rider.
He was a cool dude.
We all wanted a kit watch, which we now have, of course.
joe rogan
He was huge overseas, right?
That's it.
adam curry
It was because of Baywatch, and he had a whole music career going on.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, man.
Good times in the old days, bro.
Good times.
We had so much fun back in the early days.
joe rogan
That's so crazy that that song was written by the CIA. That Laurel Canyon thing is really interesting because I really dismissed it at first.
I was like, come on.
The government didn't have nothing to do with the rock and roll movement, but it kind of seems like they did.
What is it, Strange Times in the Canyon?
What is that book called again?
jamie vernon
I feel like that's the name.
joe rogan
Is that it?
adam curry
Yeah.
joe rogan
Something along those lines.
It's a weird book, man.
I read the book and I was like, what the fuck?
How much of this is...
adam curry
In the 60s, when the agents were infiltrating Europe, it was all literature, art, music.
They were bringing everything they could, art especially.
And that was really at the time to make sure that...
joe rogan
Weird scenes inside the canyon.
adam curry
To make sure that the Russians didn't take over Europe.
There's all these things that they were doing.
joe rogan
Well, they also did it with the modern art movement.
Absolutely.
Jackson Pollock is a complete creation, which totally makes sense because I was like, who's paying for this?
Help me out.
adam curry
Yep.
joe rogan
Like, no, don't you see the way the splatters are?
adam curry
That's why we're all questioning you, Joe Rogan.
What USAID connections do you have?
joe rogan
I think I skipped the system.
I think somehow or another they fucked up.
adam curry
Look at me, my whole family's intelligence and military.
I was a pirate radio guy in 1983. They must have been like, this guy's lost.
We can't use him.
He'll be no good.
joe rogan
I mean, the real kooky people probably think you're my handler or something because you created podcasting.
adam curry
That's right.
joe rogan
Because there is that thought that, like, This is one of the things that comes up now all the time.
We talked about this on CNN. We're saying that there's a whole financed and backed right-wing ecosystem that's created these podcasts.
adam curry
Where's my check?
joe rogan
Well, this is just stupidity.
This is the problem where when you look at some conspiracies, you think, oh, well, that applies to all things.
No, there's actually some things that are organic for some weird reason.
adam curry
What I think we'll see, you know, the first thing after the election is, we need a Joe Rogan on the left.
Well, you know, guys, you basically had a Joe Rogan on the left, but you were so crazy that Joe started to think right.
joe rogan
They didn't want me.
That was the thing.
adam curry
They didn't want you?
joe rogan
But that's all the psyop working against them.
Because in the past, they could take someone like me and demonize them, and it would be effective.
And they could just remove you from the airwaves.
adam curry
Right.
joe rogan
And then remove you as a problem, because you're not playing by the rules.
But now, people go, oh, you know what?
I think he's the one who's actually telling the truth.
Let's stop listening to them.
And so then CNN crashes, and then Faith in Mainstream Media crashes, and Faith in Podcasts rises.
adam curry
I think what we'll see, though, is...
It may come from YouTube.
We'll probably see them try to hype someone up to become the Joe Rogan of the left.
joe rogan
Oh, they're already definitely doing that.
adam curry
Who do you think it is?
joe rogan
I don't care.
Let them try.
But the thing is, it's not going to work unless that person's authentic.
adam curry
Without authenticity, it doesn't work.
joe rogan
If you hear a person long enough, you know what the fuck they're really saying.
You know whether or not...
adam curry
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, I'm wrong all the time.
You might not agree with me.
That's all great, but I'm not going to lie.
And that's the...
Yeah.
And a lot of these people are just propagandists.
And they're also trying to make an argument for something without looking at the other side, which instantaneously I know now you're propagandizing.
Now you're bullshitting me.
I always try to look at the other side of everything.
adam curry
I know you do.
joe rogan
As a human, I think it's an important quality.
As a person who's broadcasting to millions of people, it's a very important quality.
But it's an important quality for human beings.
Know why you think about something.
Is this just a knee-jerk reaction?
Or is this well thought out?
Are you being objective?
Or are you captured by this ideology that you're a part of to the point where you're just ignoring?
This is the thing that I find fascinating about all this USAID stuff.
Because there's so many people that are so against Donald Trump dismantling the organization that they're not looking at the craziness of all the propaganda that's being exposed.
They somehow or another are gaslighting themselves and all their followers to say that, no, this is aid.
People are going to starve to death.
There's food that's rotting.
Meanwhile, I think I'm pretty sure even when they passed this thing where they were trying to put a stop on USAID, they gave exemptions for food and medicine.
Yeah.
adam curry
And certain.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you're hearing these bullshit stories of like food that's rotting now.
People are going to go starving.
Everyone's dying of AIDS.
adam curry
Well, you have figures who people see as authority because they have a million followers and likes and then they'll believe that.
And it typically doesn't work.
joe rogan
I think it works, but it works for less people.
There's people that want to be lied to.
They want to believe the cult.
They want to drink the Kool-Aid.
They want to.
And that is where they've dug their heels in, and now this is where they stay.
adam curry
But when you see Rachel Maddow, who has come back, you know, for the first hundred days, she's doing a show every single day, and she's blatantly lying.
I mean, literally, like, factually, clearly lying.
A lot of people won't watch anything.
You know, they've been told Joe Rogan is part of the bro-casting and, you know, this right-wing conspiracy all funded by whatever to, you know, to propagandize, and people are...
I mean, I have family members who truly believe that President Trump will take away their Social Security.
Like, he's saying quite the opposite.
And by the way, he can't take it away.
Only Congress can take it away.
USAID... Created by executive order by President Kennedy can be shut by executive order by President Trump.
That's just a fact.
joe rogan
Also, what they're doing is they're highlighting there's people that are supposedly 150 years old that are getting Social Security.
adam curry
Awesome.
I need some of that.
joe rogan
There's some weird shit going on with Social Security.
adam curry
But you know what happened?
I think this is what we're not being told, but I have a lot of sysadmin friends.
From what I understand, the Doge team, four guys initially, they were in...
So the Treasury is like our bank account.
It's one system, and it sends payments through the Federal Reserve System.
All they needed to do, January 21st at midnight, they were in there.
They got all the payments.
They've had that at Mar-a-Lago.
Because I've heard this, that they've been going through it like, hey, there's no reconciliation.
There's just a payment with no purchase order or no confirmation that the work was done.
I think at this point, they're just sitting back going, you know, they can release more information whenever they want.
Department of Education is going to be next.
You're going to see a lot of Common Core craziness.
I mean, remember that, Common Core?
The Pentagon.
I hope they do the State Department, too, because there's a lot going on there.
joe rogan
It's going to be interesting to see what resistance...
adam curry
Well, the people who are squealing are the ones you want to pay attention to.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing, is that, first of all...
We were talking about this the other day.
Me and my friends are saying, part of the problem is these people can't conspire right now because all their phones are tapped.
Everybody that...
For sure.
If they're investigating you, if they're investigating these things, the power that they have...
adam curry
Is astronomical.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
The power that they have to look into people's emails, look into people's phones, find out what text messages they're sending.
They can look into your signal.
adam curry
Pegasus, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah, they look into everything.
So the idea that they're not doing that if they're in the middle of some fucking multi-trillion dollar investigation into rampant fraud.
So they know that this is going on.
So they can't conspire.
And then they also have to worry about people taking deals.
So there's going to be some people that squeal.
unidentified
Good point.
joe rogan
And so then you don't know who's your fucking enemy and who's your friend.
And everywhere you talk, you go to have a lunch with someone.
He's wearing a fucking button camera.
You could be fucked.
And so they're not united right now.
And this is why it's working.
And this is why they're able to...
Release all this information, and everybody's in this hot panic right now.
adam curry
Yeah, so they're squeezing them.
They're squeezing them, because they have it all.
And thank God for James O'Keefe, too, man.
He's done some interesting stuff over the years.
He certainly has.
He gets people to...
It's amazing how many guys will open up when they think they're on a date with a hot chick or a hot guy, whichever one that happens to be, and like, oh, yeah, man, I'm doing all this.
Yeah, we don't care.
We just hated Trump.
It's like, what?
These people, they need to learn how to shut up.
joe rogan
I think he just got another video that he released today.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
There was another video today about people going around the Doge system to try to still do the same work.
Well, there was an issue with...
adam curry
Season of reveal, Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah, wasn't there an issue with FEMA releasing...
Is this true?
adam curry
Well, so FEMA paid $59 million for illegal entrance into our country for them to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel, which is double the room rate.
Have you ever stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan?
joe rogan
And the Roosevelt Hotel, by the way, is owned by Pakistan.
adam curry
Yes, right.
It was a dump.
Everyone was smoking weed in their rooms.
I mean, I was there maybe 10 years ago, 11 years ago.
I stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel.
It was very cheap, right there on 42nd Street.
So they were paying double the room rate.
But this isn't just in the United States.
This has been happening all over the world.
This is a gigantic scam.
joe rogan
Four federal employees were fired Tuesday over payments to reimburse New York City for hotel costs.
There you go.
Department of Homeland Security officials said the workers were accused of circumventing leadership to make the transactions which have been standard for years through a program that helps with costs to care for a surge in migration.
However, officials did not give details on how the four had violated any policies, but they put a freeze on the payments.
adam curry
Luxury hotels is kind of funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, in quotes.
So did they definitely do it?
Wasn't Anderson Cooper disputing it?
adam curry
I don't know.
joe rogan
He was talking to Sununu, and he called him a dick.
Don't be a dick.
adam curry
Go to Chicago.
All the hotels on the Miracle Mile are all migrant hotels.
Because it was super good money.
joe rogan
Crazy.
adam curry
But that's everywhere in the world.
That's the same in Europe.
A big hotel change?
Like, you can't get a hotel room because they've got migrants for double the price.
joe rogan
Well, this is also something that the Biden administration lied about because they said that FEMA funds were not being used.
adam curry
I'm with President Trump that it's better, you know, when Helene happened, what happened there was really beautiful because everything fell down.
Even the own, you know, North Carolina's, their own state government, no one really was doing anything.
And it was funny enough for the first time I've ever seen ham operators actually be successful.
But, you know, the helicopter guys were all going out there.
Everybody was pitching.
And people were driving from all different states to come in and help people.
I mean, I don't have a helicopter anymore, but I literally called up the airfield.
I said, fill them up.
Here's my credit card.
Fill that one.
Just fill them up.
Fill up until this limit that I have.
I know what it costs.
You burn a lot of money in a helicopter.
This is how America works.
It really works well when we help each other out in all kinds of circumstances.
And we've become so reliant on the government, so reliant that Uncle Sam is going to come in and save us.
And it turns out...
They're not really efficient at it.
They're not really good at it.
A lot of money gets stuck and flows to other places.
We've got to come back to loving our neighbor and knowing your neighbor.
How many people don't even know their neighbor anymore?
This is critical.
When Clinton was president, everything changed in America.
All of a sudden...
Oh, that's not sexual relations.
Oh, you can do that to me, baby.
That's not actually sex.
You know, all these kinds of things.
That sets a tone.
It sets a cultural tone.
And Trump is setting a cultural tone of, let's get this done.
Let's stop getting ripped off by other people, by ourselves, and let's be successful together.
And it's a short amount of time.
So I hope that...
joe rogan
But isn't it interesting that half the country doesn't see it that way?
Half the country sees it as a constitutional crisis.
adam curry
Well, that's just a term.
joe rogan
I know, but it's interesting.
Top FEMA official is fired over payments to New York City migrant shelters.
Trump administration fired the Federal Emergency Management Agency's chief financial officer and three others after Elon Musk misleadingly claimed the agency had used disaster relief funds for migrant services.
Wait a minute, is this New York Times?
adam curry
This is just going to be back and forth, back and forth forever.
joe rogan
Misleading.
What is misleading about it?
adam curry
So let's see here.
joe rogan
City officials raced to clarify that the federal money had been properly allocated by FEMA under President Biden last year, adding that it was not a disaster relief grant and had not been spent on luxury hotels.
Nonetheless, just two hours after Mr. Musk's post, FEMA's acting director Cameron Hamilton announced the payments in question have all been suspended, even though most of the money had already been dispersed, and that personnel will be held accountable.
But is this a recent payment, and did they put a freeze on payments, even if the payment had been properly allocated by Biden?
jamie vernon
What I was reading was they just pulled the money out of bank accounts.
joe rogan
Who did?
jamie vernon
It says the Trump administration.
Trump revokes $80 million from New York City after a threat.
I've seen this on multiple websites, but I don't know.
joe rogan
Can you go to the title there on Daily News?
Oh, hold on a second.
You just had it there.
jamie vernon
That's right here, too.
joe rogan
Oh, Trump revokes...
$80 million from New York City after threat to claw back FEMA cash used to care for migrants.
But it's still money to care for migrants, and they still put a freeze on that money to care for migrants.
adam curry
That's your constitutional crisis.
We're in a constitutional crisis because of what's happened to our country.
joe rogan
But that seems like gaslighting to justify spending $80 million to pay for migrants, which they shouldn't have done.
adam curry
No.
joe rogan
But it's not just that.
It's fly these people there.
Fly them into the country, let them into the country, and then pay for them with EBT cards, with debit cards.
adam curry
Well, a lot of that was the economics.
I have a friend, former New York banker, and he said, we always win as long as our population is growing.
We will beat China long-term because their population is declining.
And he says that's why the borders are open, is because you need...
It's just like economics.
You need more people, and with more people, your economy grows one way or the other.
joe rogan
I think it's a multi...
adam curry
I'm just telling you what the bankers say.
joe rogan
I think there's some truth to that, but I think also they were trying to buy votes.
adam curry
Yeah, I mean, all of that's a part of it.
joe rogan
Well, you saw the thing in New York where they were trying to let people who are illegals vote in regional elections.
adam curry
That's your constitutional crisis, right?
joe rogan
That is a constitutional crisis.
adam curry
Here's the thing that I hope, and I'm working to make this happen.
So we have great podcasts.
You know, your podcast.
Not everybody can be a Joe Rogan, and we can't just all be looking at national news.
What has happened at a local level is radio stations, they all got bought up, they're all consolidated.
No one has local programming anymore.
There's almost no local newspapers, even local television stations.
They're all going away.
Now is the time to create a podcast for your town, your burg, your city, your community.
joe rogan
Wasn't Gavin Newsom doing that right after the election?
Didn't he start a podcast?
adam curry
Well, I don't know about Gavin Newsom.
I think he did.
joe rogan
I think that was their idea to try to combat the podcast like this.
adam curry
We don't need...
We need that.
We need local voices.
You know, all the advertising locally has been slurped up by Facebook.
You know, that's where you advertise.
I've started a local thing in Fredericksburg, and people really love it.
They love, oh, wait a minute, there's something going on in Fredericksburg?
And all they have is Fredericksburg rant and raves on a Facebook page.
Well, you imagine what a mess that thing is.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
adam curry
That's no good.
Rant and rave now, that's no good.
I started a thing called Godcaster.fm, and it's...
It's tailored towards helping radio stations do this, but I think churches are content factories, and they're not just all talking about Jesus and God.
They're doing stuff in the community.
That's what churches used to do, and they're doing stuff at the high schools, and you got kids in there.
I want a thousand podcasts within a year all over America of local people, and it's so easy to do now.
It's become so possible.
And I think that local communities will even sponsor it.
That's the next level.
That's my phase, too.
That's the next level we have to get to, is...
Where people just get a microphone, talk to your city council person.
You know, this is nuts.
All it is is national news presented by heads on television.
And who needs that nonsense?
You know, you're an exception and you're really important.
But we need to have this at a local level.
And it's never been a better...
You want to start a podcast and be able to actually make a living out of it in your local community?
I guarantee people will support it.
I guarantee people will want to be a part of it.
And I hope that that happens.
That's what I'm dedicating myself to now.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
adam curry
Getting these hyper-local podcasts.
joe rogan
That's a great idea.
I think what you're saying is all of it's hopeful, right?
adam curry
I'm very hopeful, Joe.
Of course.
joe rogan
Which is great.
I mean, because being cynical kind of sucks.
You know, especially when this really is a very unique time of possibility.
There's a lot of things that are happening right now.
adam curry
It's a perfect time.
joe rogan
And it also feels like even to the people that...
Didn't want what Donald Trump is doing.
The idea to keep going with what was happening before, where you had someone running for president that never went through the primary, you know?
adam curry
That was a constitutional crisis!
joe rogan
Right there!
The soft coup against Biden.
All that.
That should disturb you that that didn't...
Well, it should be good that that didn't work.
Because that's not good for anybody.
Because if they can keep doing it that way, then you never have a primary again.
adam curry
Well, primaries, of course, are up to the party.
It's not necessarily a constitutional thing, but that should tell a Democrat, people who vote Democrat and are part of it.
I've never been a part of a party.
I'm not that interested.
I vote for people.
But that should tell them something like, there's something bad going on here.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some shenanigans going on.
They could have had a primary.
adam curry
What was it like in D.C. when you went for the inauguration?
Was it just like show business for ugly people?
There were a million people all over the place.
joe rogan
A million people all over the place.
adam curry
Was it nuts?
joe rogan
It was weird.
Weird?
Yeah, very weird.
Because you go into...
I went to a lot of these things.
I went to a few of these things, like these dinners and stuff.
The balls?
The balls.
And it's a lot of people that donated a lot of money.
And so it's very transactional, and everybody's hyper-aggressive to get photographs and talk to people, and they interject themselves into conversations, interrupt, stand right in front of people that you're talking to, and want pictures, or want to introduce themselves, and it's...
It's very entitled and very transactional.
But I think that's always been the nature of politics, particularly people.
The reason why they were there is because they donated a substantial amount of money.
adam curry
A million bucks a pop in here to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, which is nuts.
How do this many people have a million dollars to donate?
This is crazy.
adam curry
Amazing, isn't it?
joe rogan
Amazing.
adam curry
A lot of people got a million bucks.
joe rogan
I know.
adam curry
It's all that USAID money.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
adam curry
Well, there are a lot of successful people in the world who couldn't access that kind of cash, but wow.
joe rogan
But there was a lot of hope.
It was a very positive, obviously, because the winners were all there, but it was a very optimistic vibe, which felt good.
And even the speech, when he gave his inauguration speech, I mean, that was pretty fucking wild.
adam curry
I love the black pastor from Detroit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
adam curry
He was channeling MLK. He was just, like, going crazy.
You were sitting maybe like five rows behind Hillary Clinton.
Did you smell sulfur?
joe rogan
I smelled everything.
I saw Bill.
I made eye contact with Bill.
Me and Bill staring at each other for a while.
adam curry
He's larger than life, even though he's kind of frail now.
He's still an imposing guy.
joe rogan
They're in the room with you.
It's a different kind of a celebrity.
I remember when I went to see the Rolling Stones at Coda, I was blown away.
Mick Jagger's right there.
That's actually him.
unidentified
And he's dancing.
And he's this big, his butt's that wide.
joe rogan
He's a stick.
But he's right.
You know, he has two trailers that he brings with him that are just a gym.
adam curry
Oh, it doesn't surprise me.
joe rogan
He works out every day.
adam curry
What is he, like 78?
joe rogan
He's a thousand years old.
adam curry
And he had open heart surgery?
Like recently.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like recently had heart surgery.
adam curry
That's an amazing guy.
Really, truly is.
joe rogan
Just fucking loves it, man.
And they put on a fucking hell of a show.
But my point is, like...
That's one of those things where you're like, I can't believe that's really him.
And that's what it's like when you're looking over there and you're like, holy shit, that's George W. Bush.
adam curry
Do you think it was the real Biden or the Daddy Long Legs Biden?
joe rogan
I think it was the real one.
adam curry
Okay.
joe rogan
I think.
adam curry
Because you've seen the Daddy Long Legs guy, right?
joe rogan
He wasn't too tall.
That one guy was nuts.
adam curry
And he's jogging to the helicopter.
joe rogan
I'm like, nuts.
I want to know the story about that.
Is there any paperwork on who that guy actually was?
Because that was not Joe Biden.
That's a guy with a mask on.
adam curry
The mask things are real.
I can tell you this from family experience.
joe rogan
You can see them online.
Oh, from family experience.
Yes.
adam curry
In 1967. Let's just leave the family members out of it.
But someone brought home a colleague from work, and the colleague had dinner and had coffee, and then at dessert, the wife was sitting there, had been talking to this person, and then this colleague took off his mask, and it was someone who the wife knew extremely well and had no idea.
1967. Whoa!
So imagine what they can do now.
The stuff that that CIA lady shows on the YouTube video, I think that's just old.
I mean, it's amazing.
67, that stuff already existed and worked.
joe rogan
How come they couldn't get somebody Biden's height?
adam curry
You know, Tina says that, too.
I said, you know, they just didn't care at that point.
They needed someone who had his cadence, which I think is harder to do, to be kind of, you know, like that stumbling, bumbling.
joe rogan
Also, like, how many people do you bring this to?
adam curry
And what is that guy doing now?
He needs a podcast.
That guy's dead.
He's got no...
joe rogan
That guy's at the bottom of the ocean.
adam curry
What gig does he have now?
joe rogan
They took that guy fishing.
adam curry
I hope not, but it's possible.
Who knows?
There's a lot of that going on.
I mean, we've spotted throughout the years, Hillary Clinton had, I know she had a double.
There was actually women who noticed it, like, she's carrying her handbag on the other shoulder.
It's like, no woman switches that up.
That never happens.
And you look at her like, yeah, she does look a little different.
joe rogan
But it's also, isn't that a mindfuck, though?
Because then you start looking at everybody like, that's not the real one.
adam curry
Are you Joe Rogan?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What happened?
Who is it?
adam curry
It's pretty crazy stuff.
joe rogan
It is.
adam curry
I hope some of that comes out, too.
It would be great to know these things.
joe rogan
It would be great to stop lying.
Yeah, yeah.
You should stop lying.
adam curry
Basically.
joe rogan
You should not have a fake...
I mean, is there some sort of national security explanation that you could give for why you would have to have a fake president?
adam curry
Well, I mean, holy moly.
Have you ever seen the Kevin Kline movie?
unidentified
Right.
adam curry
There it is.
Wag the dog?
No, not Wag the Dog.
Dave.
unidentified
Dave.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dave.
adam curry
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, sure.
I mean, this happens all the time, these things.
joe rogan
Bizarre.
adam curry
Yeah.
Who knows?
But, again, season of reveal.
We're learning things.
We won't learn everything, but we will become a lot wiser.
I'm convinced of it.
And I'm excited.
I am 60 years old and super excited and very bullish on the future, particularly of the United States.
And I'm seeing...
The influence we're having in Europe.
I'm seeing it.
People are like, we don't want this.
And it's tougher for them.
Like the UK, they don't really have a First Amendment like we do.
So it's like, you hurt someone's feelings on Facebook, you go into jail.
I mean, so they got a lot of work to do.
But, you know, I think Germany has a shot.
You know, I think the Netherlands has Geert Wilders.
France are really pushing back hard on Le Pen and right-wing people.
Viktor Orban in Hungary.
I mean, there's...
At a certain point, the people will just not take it anymore.
And it could get ugly over there.
But people are people.
I mean, we've had revolutions ourselves.
We've been pretty good at it.
Of course, we've got guns.
That was a smart move, founders.
Smart move.
joe rogan
First and Second Amendment were both...
adam curry
The Second Amendment is there to protect the First, as far as I'm concerned.
I am bullish.
I really am.
I'm excited, Joe.
joe rogan
I am too.
adam curry
Oh, good.
unidentified
All right.
adam curry
Good.
joe rogan
Well, thank you, brother.
It's always great to sit with you.
Thanks for starting this whole thing.
adam curry
No, brother, thank you so much for what you do, brother.
Thank you, Jamie.
Appreciate you guys so much.
joe rogan
Tell everybody where they can watch No Agenda.
adam curry
Noagendashow.net.
You can't watch it.
It's only a podcast.
joe rogan
Or listen.
adam curry
Yeah, only listen.
We're too ugly.
We don't want you to look at us.
And get it on a modern podcast app at podcastapps.com.
So we won't disappear.
Overnight from Apple or some other platform.
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