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Who sings that?
joe rogan
How dare you?
How dare you say who sings that?
theo von
No, who's, uh...
joe rogan
Angus Young.
No, Angus Young is the guitarist, right?
It's, uh...
God damn it.
theo von
My brother used to beat the shit out of me with that music.
joe rogan
That's right.
And then before him, Bon Scott.
Bon Scott died of a drug overdose, right?
theo von
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Is that how he died?
Just went too hard.
theo von
That's the thing.
It's that moment where you're like, do we want to go any harder?
joe rogan
I saw a video of Angus on stage the other night.
Like, recently.
He's like seven years old.
theo von
From ACDC. Going ham.
unidentified
Old fucking dude, white hair, just dancing.
joe rogan
See if you can find that video.
Just dancing around on stage.
Carl is still up.
He's like, Dad, you didn't even put me down yet.
jamie vernon
It takes three minutes.
joe rogan
It takes three minutes to calm him?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got a whole system?
jamie vernon
It's usually three or four minutes, and then by for sure seven or eight, he's asleep.
theo von
Do they have a weighted blanket or not for him?
joe rogan
I don't think they do that for dogs.
jamie vernon
He doesn't have that much anxiety.
He's pretty good.
joe rogan
Does that really work with people?
I feel like there's other ways.
theo von
There's that one video that, like, really, like, kind of weak kid who gets trapped under one or whatever.
Have you ever seen that at that birthday party?
joe rogan
How big is the blanket?
theo von
I mean, it's like, I guess it's like 80-pound test or whatever.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Like a Marlin blanket?
A Marlin line?
theo von
I mean, I don't know how heavy the threat was, but it's like...
unidentified
He's, like, trying to text for help or whatever.
theo von
Jesus Christ!
joe rogan
Oh, so it's just a joke.
theo von
No, no.
joe rogan
It has to be a joke.
theo von
For real?
joe rogan
No, he was really trapped?
theo von
Yeah, it looked like he was very much trapped under there.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
theo von
He was very, I don't want to say malnourished or unnourished.
He didn't like to eat or whatever.
One of those kids only eats nuggets or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, well, nuggets are better than just chips.
At least nuggets are some kind of protein.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, some kind of.
What do you think Bobby Kennedy's going to do when he gets into the White House?
unidentified
Did we start?
joe rogan
I think we're starting.
Are we rolling?
unidentified
I've been going.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're rolling.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
Do you think they're going to get rid of nuggets?
See, here's my take on, like, I was just reading this whole thing about Chick-fil-A, and they were saying, this is the most dangerous food in America.
The number one burger, Chick-fil-A is like the number one fast food sandwich, chicken sandwich, and there's a fucking thousand ingredients, and it's like...
Yeah, just don't eat it every day, stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I eat them.
I'm healthy.
I'm real healthy.
You just don't eat them every fucking day.
theo von
You enjoy them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's not your primary diet.
theo von
If you're going over there every day or whatever, leaving your kids at home to go get one or something, if you're lying...
joe rogan
You're just fiending for Chick-fil-A all day.
theo von
Well, they're so good, and they come in that little bag.
It almost has that...
They come in the unmarked bag, you know?
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I went to a football game the other day.
I ate three of them.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Feel good.
Still work out.
Still feel healthy.
The key is just don't make that most of what you eat.
theo von
Yeah.
unidentified
Every now and again, a little Chick-fil-A is not going to hurt nothing.
theo von
Yeah.
Treat your lady.
Treat your friend.
Treat yourself.
joe rogan
Treat yourself.
theo von
Get off of work.
I'm going to have one today.
joe rogan
I'm going to get me a Double Double from In-N-Out.
Fuck it.
theo von
That's a lot, though.
Double.
Just get a regular one.
unidentified
If you're gonna go hard, go all the way hard.
theo von
See, I'm the guy who I would get two singles instead of getting a double.
joe rogan
You know what I get at In-N-Out?
I get the Flying Dutchman.
You know what that is?
It's just patties with cheese on it.
unidentified
It's so good because it's fresh.
joe rogan
Because In-N-Out doesn't freeze their meat.
Their meat is always fresh.
So when you get those...
I mean, it's just perfect, man.
Just two burger patties with two slices of cheese, and I pick those greasy bitches up, and nom, nom, nom, nom.
And I feel great.
I don't feel bad at all.
It's like the closest thing you can get to healthy food at a fast food spot.
theo von
And there's no bread on them?
unidentified
No bread.
joe rogan
No bread, no nothing, no sauce, no ketchup.
unidentified
And what do you pick them up with?
theo von
You pick them up with two forks?
joe rogan
My finger's like a fucking pig, like a sloppy glutton.
unidentified
I just resigned myself.
theo von
That's that Missouri sushi, dude.
It's meat and cheese?
joe rogan
Just meat and cheese and greasy fingers.
theo von
That's that Montana sashimi, brother.
joe rogan
It's so hot you can barely hold on to it.
Oh, people do it with the onions on it, too?
Yeah, I've had that.
theo von
Oh, I haven't seen all this.
joe rogan
The onions is good, but my way is no onions.
theo von
I have a block on my computer.
I don't think I can look at some of this stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
If I put the Flying Dutchman, dude, it's going to bring up.
joe rogan
My buddy Cody gets them with onions inside of them.
So they slice up the onions.
Put it inside of them.
Grilled onions inside.
That's nice.
theo von
I love onions.
I think onions are an underrated...
Food.
joe rogan
Do you think onions have any nutrition in them at all?
I love onions too.
Whenever I eat onions, I'm like, what am I doing here?
There's nothing here.
theo von
Right, but there's something about them that's like, oh yeah, but you want some, huh?
joe rogan
Well, there's a tinge.
You know what I love?
I love a good tomato and onion salad.
theo von
You know?
joe rogan
When they give those beefsteak tomatoes, like heirloom tomatoes with slices of onion and some balsamic on that bitch.
A little bit of salt.
unidentified
Nice.
theo von
Oh, I love that.
joe rogan
That's like an old-school New York steakhouse thing, you know?
theo von
Like a burrata-style thing, you mean?
joe rogan
Oh, that's good, too.
theo von
If you go burrata, you're great.
joe rogan
Oh, the burrata and the tomatoes, you can't go wrong.
But the onions and tomatoes, tomato and onion salad was like a steakhouse thing.
I never really saw it anywhere else.
But, like, tomato and onion salad was like a big thing in, like, New York steakhouses.
theo von
Yeah, baby, that sounds good.
I like having, I like when you get, there's a Vidalia onion.
You ever seen that one?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
That's a beautiful onion.
Bring one up, if you don't mind, Jamie.
joe rogan
But let's guess, though, because I genuinely have no idea.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
Do you think there's any nutritional content in onions?
theo von
Let me think about it.
Let me think about it while I'm eating one.
I don't know.
joe rogan
There might be some sneaky shit that only Andrew Huberman can tell you about.
You know, some weird ingredient.
theo von
Like a back-end magnesium or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Some weird shit.
joe rogan
That's a Vidalia onion?
Okay, so I think I've seen them before.
I just didn't know they had a different name.
theo von
Those are good.
jamie vernon
There is a lot of nutritional value.
I have it on the next tab.
joe rogan
Okay, that's what I want to know.
Impressive health benefits of onions.
Oh, okay.
Now I feel better for liking onions.
Tell me what can they do for you.
theo von
Vitamin C. Easy, we should have known it.
joe rogan
Let's see.
Look at all that.
There's a little sugar?
Interesting.
4.7 grams of sugar in an onion.
Imagine how nasty it would take without that sugar.
How nasty would onions taste if they taste that good with that much sugar?
theo von
And just say, just God put a touch in there.
He knew it.
unidentified
Has anybody ever had onions, sliced onions with sugar all over it?
theo von
Mmm, I don't know.
unidentified
Damn, that might be good.
theo von
Because you would think it would bring the sugar out even more.
joe rogan
More, right?
You know what I had the other day that was really good?
Watermelon with salt on it.
You ever have that?
theo von
No, I haven't had that.
joe rogan
Dude, it's like, it's you either love it or you, uh, what the fuck have you done to watermelon?
theo von
Oh, I could see that.
I love it.
Mexican people like to put crazy shit on fruit.
joe rogan
Chili mango, man.
That's a big one in Mexico.
theo von
You like this fruit and they're like, now you'd like it or what, motherfucker?
That's spicy fruit.
Yeah, they get crazy, dude.
joe rogan
But chili mango works uniquely.
Like, out of all spicy fruits, that's the one that caught on so much it made it to potato chips.
theo von
Chili mango?
joe rogan
Yeah, chili mangoes and everything.
theo von
I haven't had that.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I drink chili mango element.
You know what element is?
Like the hydration mix?
theo von
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
It's nice.
theo von
I like hydration, though.
joe rogan
That's Rob Wolf's company, right?
I believe so.
theo von
Dude, why is there so much hydration now?
And also, dude, thank you.
I just want to say thank you to Mexican people just for doing everything that they do, dude.
I feel like every week we should have a round of applause for Mexican people, I feel like, in America.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird to want to keep them out.
You know, they have some of the best food.
They're the nicest people.
They're some of the hardest working people.
theo von
And they're organ donors, too, a lot of them.
joe rogan
Well, that's awesome.
One of the dumbest, like, stereotypes ever was, like, the lazy Mexican.
Like, what are you talking about?
Everyone I've ever met has, like, fucking three jobs.
They're all working 12 hours a day.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
theo von
Dude, I knew a Mexican guy.
He had to leave work to go to his job.
joe rogan
Bro.
theo von
It never ends, dude.
joe rogan
You know, Mexicans used to have a feud with Puerto Ricans back in the day with boxing.
In boxing, there was always like this feud between Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.
And the Mexicans would always say that the Puerto Ricans didn't work hard enough.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Like the discipline.
Like some of the Puerto Rican guys were maybe more talented, but the Mexican guys were known for discipline.
Like some of the great Mexican boxers, like Julio Cesar Chavez, one of the things about him.
Was his volume was insane.
His knowledge of boxing was insane, but his volume was insane.
And the only way you could have volume like that is if you have supreme conditioning.
theo von
And what does volume mean?
Volume punching?
joe rogan
Volume of punching.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You ever watch Julio Cesar Chavez?
One of the greatest of all time.
theo von
He passed away?
joe rogan
One of the greatest of all time.
No, no, he's still alive.
And his son is boxing now.
His son is a really good boxer.
Not at the level that his dad was, but Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. was one of the all-time greats.
But he would just overwhelm people with volume and just break them down.
Pull up a Julio Cesar Chavez highlight.
Because when he was in his prime, one of the greatest fights of all time was him versus Meldrick Taylor.
theo von
Meldrick?
joe rogan
Meldrick Taylor, who's an Olympic gold medalist, phenomenal boxer.
And he knocked out Meldrick Taylor with like 10 seconds to go in the final round.
jamie vernon
Hmm.
joe rogan
He made this dude cry?
Look, his hair should make him cry.
theo von
Who's that against?
joe rogan
Is that the dude from Red Clay Strays?
That's his brother?
It looks like he could be his cousin that wants money from him.
Oh, it's my cousin the boxer shit.
theo von
It looks like fucking machine gun punching.
joe rogan
So, I don't know why he made this dude cry, but just get me a highlight because we don't have the time to watch him break this dude down.
Give me just like a Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. highlight.
theo von
She comes from Silver Spoons.
joe rogan
Those guys, you got one of their jackets on, man.
You're wearing a red case.
theo von
I don't even realize that.
Yeah, I am.
joe rogan
They're great, man.
theo von
Thank God this is warm.
joe rogan
So, in the 1990s, he was the fucking man.
theo von
He was the man.
joe rogan
He was, I forget what his record was before he had his first defeat, but it was something crazy, like 80 or 90 fights before he had his first defeat.
theo von
Yeah, it's athletical.
joe rogan
Bro, and just, is there a highlight of his knockouts?
Just give me a highlight of him beating the fuck out of people.
He was so good, dude.
theo von
Look at this.
He's about to cook this brother up.
joe rogan
That was Meldrick Taylor.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So Meldrick Taylor and him had an epic fight where Meldrick was winning at the beginning of the fight.
Meldrick was very good.
theo von
That's Meldrick?
joe rogan
No, that's Pernell Whitaker.
That was a fight where he probably shouldn't have won, but they gave it to him and a lot of people, including myself, watch that and think Pernell Whitaker got robbed.
Pernell Whitaker was like the slickest of all of the American boxers of his era.
Wow.
But Julio Cesar Chavez just broke Meldrick down later in the fight.
theo von
What made him so good then?
What made him?
joe rogan
Well, you know what makes a fighter?
There's a lot of things.
But he didn't stand out in terms like he wasn't faster than everybody or hit harder than everybody.
theo von
He wasn't a one punch guy.
joe rogan
He was a volume puncher.
So he would put guys away by breaking them down.
He would break their will and crush them.
That was what he would do.
And he would do with this fucking mean look on his face when he's just at the end of fights when he had guys broken.
He would just overwhelm them and swarm them.
He was one of the most terrifying guys because he kept his pace up, 12 rounds, no fucking problem, iron chin, but different.
That's the final punch that dropped Meldrick Taylor.
And that was one where it was a fucked up call because Richard Steele knew that Meldrick Taylor was out, but there was really only two seconds left in the fight, but he still has to wave it off because the dude can't fight.
So it's kind of crazy.
So all these people were mad at Richard Steele because if he didn't do that, Meldrick Taylor would have won the decision.
So he stops the fight with like two seconds to go.
How many seconds was it when he called the fight off?
I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say two seconds.
Might have been five seconds.
theo von
And what would you do in that situation then?
joe rogan
Well, he's doing the right thing.
The referee is there to save the fighter.
If he takes one more punch in those two seconds and that one punch kills him, that's him.
It's on him.
jamie vernon
17 when he went down.
joe rogan
So 17 he goes down.
So let's see what happens.
So he gives him the count, which is a standing eight count.
And then he looks at him and he asks him a couple of questions.
Give me some volume.
So look, he's not looking at the clock.
He's looking to save this guy.
But look at him.
Look at him.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He looked him in the eye.
He wasn't there.
theo von
Three seconds left.
joe rogan
But he's doing the right thing.
He's doing the right thing.
It's crazy if there's three seconds left, but he is doing the right thing.
theo von
Because a referee's job is to make sure that they stay alive.
joe rogan
Yes!
Protect the fighter.
theo von
Because a fighter wouldn't make the right choice, you're saying?
joe rogan
Right.
That's why a referee has to protect the fighter from a cut.
If the cut's too bad, the referee has to call it or bring in a doctor to call it.
There's some times where the referee, it's a judgment call, and sometimes they get it wrong.
They're human.
But it's a crazy job.
They have the hardest job in the world.
So the guys like Herb Dean, the guys like Mark Goddard, those guys need more praise because it's one of the most difficult jobs in all of combat sports other than being a fighter.
The second most difficult for sure is being a referee.
theo von
Wow.
joe rogan
Because you've got to make these calls.
You're in the middle of chaos in a world title fight where millions of people are watching.
And you've got to keep this thing together in this very chaotic sport.
theo von
That would be so tough.
Yeah, I wonder, what are the requirements to be a referee?
Like how much, you know, like to be one of those, like Mark Goddard or...
joe rogan
Well, there's courses you can take.
You know, I know Big John McCarthy was very instrumental in educating people.
Herb Dean's very instrumental in doing this.
There's a lot of these guys.
Mark Goddard.
They'll put together seminars and help guys that are coming up.
There's probably a formal...
Let's find out what is the website.
That's like best for if someone wants to go and learn how to be a referee.
theo von
Fuck, you could probably just pull up in Memphis and start blowing the whistle on a bunch of shit going down.
joe rogan
Most of them are massive fans, of course.
Most of them train, like Mark Goddard trains.
I believe Mark Goddard's a black belt in jujitsu.
We'll have to check that.
Herb Dean, I know, had a few MMA fights.
theo von
Oh, so a lot of them also have experience.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You have to know what's going on because sometimes, especially in submissions and things like that, things get complicated real quick.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like someone not letting go of an inside heel hook.
That's a scary one.
Do you remember who Samar Palhares is?
theo von
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
No way.
His name was Taquino, which means tree trunk.
That's like his nickname.
theo von
Husamar?
He's Brazilian?
joe rogan
Husamar Pajaras.
He was the scariest guy of all time.
Because he was all leg locks, and he was built like a tank.
He was like 5'8", 185 pounds, just this fucking ball of muscle.
And he would dive on dude's legs and just rip them apart.
theo von
Oh, like a python.
joe rogan
And wouldn't let go.
Wouldn't let go of the legs.
So guys would be tapping.
He's the only guy to ever get kicked out of the UFC winning.
theo von
Because he was doing that?
joe rogan
Because he was holding submissions.
They kicked him out.
They said, you can't do that.
theo von
What do you mean, you can't do it?
You can't do what?
joe rogan
You gotta let go when the referee says, stop.
Because he's crippling people.
You want to see a highlight that makes you cringe?
Pull up Husamal Paul Jarez submission highlights.
theo von
Oh, I don't want to see it.
joe rogan
Jake Shields punched him in the face after their fight because he got a hold of a Kimura, Jake tapped, and he still kept cranking on it.
He would do that with guys.
He just was a pit bull.
He wouldn't let go.
But there's an unsportsmanlike aspect to it for sure.
theo von
Do you feel like that's unsportsmanlike at a certain point?
It seems like it is.
joe rogan
100%.
You know you're going to cripple a guy.
You know, if you keep twisting on a knee, he's going to have to have surgery.
You know, if a person taps, it's supposed to be that's it.
You know?
And there's the heat of the moment stuff, but then there's people that just do it over and over and over again.
And there's, you know, folks that are known for that.
So look what he would do, man.
He would just get a hold of the guy.
Look at his knee.
Look, and he's still, he's tapping, and that was with John Fitch.
Show that one again.
So he's tapping, so he gets this knee bar.
This knee bar is awful.
Look how bad.
He's tapping and he's still cranking.
Still cranking.
Wow.
Yeah.
Still cranking.
So it was like he would hold on for an extra second or two, which is more than enough to destroy your knee.
theo von
And they kicked him out.
joe rogan
A second doesn't seem like a long time unless you're caught in a knee bar.
That's an eternity where your knee is getting exploded and you're tapping and he won't let go.
You gotta let go immediately when the person taps.
When the referee stops the fight, you gotta let go immediately.
theo von
Now, do you let go when the guy taps?
joe rogan
Look at this here.
The referee was on him, the guy's screaming in agony, still cranking.
theo von
Yeah, he might have had a vengeance.
He might have had a...
joe rogan
Oh, he was a mean dude.
But he grew up very poor on a farm, horrible upbringing.
You know, it's like there's a kind of a crazy story to it.
theo von
A lot of pain.
joe rogan
A lot of pain.
Grew up in extreme poverty.
And like this scar on his chest, this scar on his chest, like they had a glue, a wound that he had as a child, like on the farm.
They glued it together.
That's why he has this big scar on his chest.
Just a hard man.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a scary dude if he got a hold of your legs, because he wasn't gonna let go.
theo von
God, I'm glad I don't know him.
I mean, in some ways, you know.
joe rogan
Well, you're glad you're not grappling with him.
theo von
Yeah, I'm glad I don't have to know him, like, adversely.
Damn, dude.
I can't believe we saw Shane, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, what did you say?
He looked like a pickled egg?
theo von
How dare you!
You know what you're saying?
joe rogan
I knew right away.
You hadn't seen him in how long?
unidentified
As soon as you saw Shane's in his...
joe rogan
Shane's in the sauna and you're like, you look like a pickled egg.
theo von
Well, you look like one of those kind of eggs in that little cage or whatever at the gas station, you know?
joe rogan
Those bucket eggs.
The ones that are on the bars.
Give me one of them pickled eggs.
Do you know how fucking hungry you have to be?
These fucking eggs.
Who knows how long they've been sitting there.
You're like, yeah, give me one of them.
theo von
There's always some trucker over there just bobbing for apples in the tank of them.
It looks so unsanitary.
unidentified
Bro, in the fart that rips out of your body.
joe rogan
How are you going to ban Chick-fil-A? But you're not going to ban that.
theo von
Dude, that has to be RFK's arch nemesis right there.
unidentified
Imagine if you were living off those eggs, the farts you would have.
joe rogan
If that's your only food source.
Like, let's imagine.
You're like stuck on a boat in the middle of the ocean with only bottled eggs.
Bro, after a while, your own farts are going to make you jump in the ocean.
unidentified
You're like, I can't even be around myself.
theo von
But there's a lot of, like, there's that trucker's high that they get from huffing their own gas.
There's like a syndrome or something that starts from it.
From people, just imagine, that can't be good for you, right?
Caging yourself up at 80 miles an hour with your own farts?
And just cruising state to state, just fucking...
joe rogan
Just letting it go, baby.
And the combination of things, ring dings, and pork rinds, and fucking Pepsi.
theo von
Saying fag over and over again.
Just all of that just compiled at once into you.
joe rogan
And then listen to conspiracy theorists talk on podcasts all day.
theo von
Just deep into the murky waters of Alex Jones just hopped up.
joe rogan
I've been on social media a little too much lately.
theo von
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've been reading too many people fighting and arguing about stupid shit to the point where I'm starting to develop theories and I don't want to.
theo von
Like, what do you mean?
Well, I saw Alex Jones and he looks really...
Good, doesn't he?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's losing all the weight.
theo von
He looks like he has to go to court for something.
joe rogan
No, our friend Sean is helping him.
He's working out with him every day.
theo von
Bro, I noticed it in a month.
I just saw it and I was like, oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's really committed.
He's going to do a documentary on it.
He's got to do a documentary on taking back my health.
theo von
It's so noticeable.
I was like, wow, he looks handsome.
joe rogan
But there's fucking theories that it's not even him.
theo von
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's theories that they replaced him with a different guy.
Yeah.
theo von
Who did, though?
That's always the thing.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
But here's the thing.
I know that's not true.
I know the guy who's training him.
I know him.
I'm still in touch with him.
I text Alex all the time.
I know him.
He's just losing weight.
But if you go online, there's a lot of people that believe that this is a different person.
Because a lot of people believe he's been co-opted by the government.
He has to chime in on every single thing that everybody wants him to.
Otherwise, he's been co-opted.
And I'm starting to develop these theories where I don't know how much of that conversation is real.
I certainly think there's a percentage that conversation is real.
theo von
What conversation do you mean?
joe rogan
When people think that people have been co-opted.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
By the government.
What is that one they like to use?
Controlled opposition.
If you want to pretend to be a smart conspiracy theorist, you have to say controlled opposition.
theo von
I could easily see it.
Bro, in two weeks, Tom Segura will be playing this guy.
unidentified
He looks great.
joe rogan
That's all it is.
He looks great.
But he doesn't look like the same person.
theo von
Not at all, dude.
joe rogan
Because he's laid off the booze.
He's laid off the booze.
He's not eating any bullshit.
theo von
What was he drinking?
joe rogan
A lot, bro.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's investigating satanic pedophiles all day long.
Sometimes you want to take the edge off.
theo von
I mean, he looks totally different now.
He looks like Randy Orton.
joe rogan
Now, but imagine if this was no internet.
Imagine there's no internet.
theo von
You believe in a heartbeat it wasn't a rogue guy.
joe rogan
Sure.
There's no way that's the same guy.
This guy on the left looks 15 years younger.
theo von
Oh yeah, dude.
A chubby guy used to do the pool when I worked at this farm one time.
He used to do the pool.
And one year he got on Dexatrim or some illegal fat burner or whatever.
And he came and did the pool one time when I was there.
And I didn't even believe it was him.
And never believed it.
Totally different.
So yeah, if you didn't have stuff like this, you'd be like, that's not the same guy.
joe rogan
So this was just the television days.
No social media.
theo von
Yeah, I think that they've recasted the guy because something happened to him over the offseason.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
You would think, oh, someone replaced Alex Jones with a fake Alex Jones.
theo von
But he would tell you if that happened, right?
He would be like, Joe, somebody...
joe rogan
Yeah, they replaced me.
They would say they replaced me.
theo von
They're sending somebody in.
joe rogan
Who the fuck is going to do his voice?
There's only four people alive.
They could do a good Alex Jones impression.
Are you aware of the Elon Musk, Adrian Dittman controversy?
theo von
That he...
I saw something.
They said he was a fake person.
He made a fake...
joe rogan
I think they call them sock puppet accounts.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
And it's generally frowned upon to have a fake account.
It seems like it would be a fun way to fuck around online.
I don't have one, but it seems like it would be a fun way to fuck around online.
theo von
It takes a lot of time, it seems like.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you could have a fake account where if you're a public person...
You know, like Elon Musk.
And you want to say he's wild shit, but you don't want to take responsibility for it.
You just want to shitpost like everybody else?
Like an anonymous person?
theo von
Oh, that's true.
He can't do that, really.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would say that would be a smart thing to do.
theo von
Was it really him?
Did they find out?
joe rogan
But is that unethical?
When one person can call themselves, you know, cat turd.
You know, that's a legit name for a dude.
I don't know anything about that cat.
But that guy can just talk about anything he wants to talk about.
But if Elon Musk does it, well, he has the responsibility of his public image.
But maybe he doesn't want that.
Right.
I don't have a problem with either one of them.
theo von
Yeah, sometimes you just want to shed your skin.
You just want to take a layer off.
You want to relax at the house.
You want to kick your feet up and yell something down the hallway you shouldn't yell.
joe rogan
Right.
theo von
And that's what he wants to do.
joe rogan
I think you should be allowed to do that.
theo von
Yes, I think you should too.
joe rogan
This is one of the problems with making the internet, you know, taking away the anonymity.
But here's my question.
Because of that, right?
So...
If people can just have fake accounts, which I think they definitely should be able to do.
Because of that, though, then you have to wonder, when you see arguments, how many of these arguments are real people and their real opinions?
And how many of these arguments are this giant block of accounts that's been purchased by a large organization that is...
Hiring people or using AI to have arguments with people and incite things online.
It's not 0% people.
Now, I'm saying like if you have a personal belief in something like, no, they're not bots because I think that way.
I'm not saying that you don't believe what you believe.
And I'm not even saying that you're wrong.
I'm saying that if there's any hot button cultural topic.
You can fucking guarantee that some of the people talking about it aren't real.
Either they're not real in that these are not their real opinions, they're being told to say these things, or they might not even be a real human.
They might be an algorithm, or they're a bunch of people that have been hired whenever there's hot-button cultural issues or voting issues or political issues.
A lot of those people arguing are not real.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there's a real question as to what the number are, like how much of this is like real interaction between people and how much of this is all this meddling that's being done, like they're changing the way people...
Think about things and forcing and arguing like these things all day very persuasively on behalf of some sort of special interest group.
theo von
Yeah, I think that sounds very plausible, especially these days.
There's not as much.
It used to be that a lot of media was controlled by a few channels and networks, right?
I mean, that's safe to say.
Would you agree with that?
joe rogan
It was all controlled by a few channels.
Right.
I mean, all you had when we were kids, you had.
I remember when Cable came out.
It was crazy.
theo von
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
What was before that?
unidentified
You had ABC, NBC, CBS. That's it.
theo von
No.
joe rogan
Yes, that's it.
And then out of nowhere, Fox.
Fox was crazy.
Married with children.
The Simpsons.
Fox was nuts.
Fox was this wild network.
So that was the fourth network.
theo von
Married with children was so good, dude.
joe rogan
So good.
So you have this fourth network.
And then cable comes along.
And then satellite.
And now streaming and the internet.
unidentified
It's like, what?
joe rogan
I don't even think we're aware of how much more content we absorb than people that lived when I was 21. Oh, yeah.
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theo von
Well, even if you're just by the airport or whatever, sometimes I wish they'd be like, can someone turn all this shit off?
It's like, you don't even know what's going on anymore.
In the middle of the night, I'll have songs playing in my head that I heard on TikToks and shit.
It's just bad.
It's gotten to be too much.
But I think that...
What I'm saying is if somebody had all that control at one point or if a few networks did, there's no way that now that they have less control, they're not still trying to find that control and that they're hiring different groups to be Twitter bots or Twitter personalities or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, make TikTok accounts, do TikToks about issues.
Look, people have said flat out that they were offered money and then they got paid money to make things for political Like, make people think that they were really excited about voting for someone, they would pay them for pro content.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
So pro whatever that person is.
There's a whole business in this where they reach out to popular influencers and they say, hey, I want you to endorse this person.
Would you do that for X amount of money?
theo von
Well, didn't that happen with, like, Megan Thee Stallion or somebody?
Didn't they?
Weren't they?
Hired recently or some of and I'm sure the Republican Party did it too.
I think that was a Democratic one that they had where they hire performers to come and perform Yeah, this was the this was the big controversy.
joe rogan
We tried to get to the bottom of it.
It's hard to know so the real the accusation was that There was a few artists Lizzo was one of them.
Yeah, that was another one Beyonce was the big one.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
And that they were paid an exorbitant amount of money to go and endorse Kamala Harris at these rallies.
I don't know if it's true.
It seems like there might be something to it.
They spent so much money, dude.
It's so crazy that the economy is like one of the biggest problems that...
We think of today like you think of like what do you mean the economy the economy like the people with people that want to vote on things What do they want?
They want the economy to be healthier.
They want us to have less national debt.
Yeah, they want less inflation.
They want safety on low crime if that is The amount of fucking money they went through like you you you spent 1.5 billion dollars And you paid celebrities to it.
If that's true, you paid celebrities to it.
How am I supposed to trust you with spending money?
Imagine if you were going to marry a gal and you just gave her access to your credit card.
You're like, look, baby, you and me, we're in it now.
theo von
Here you go, boo.
joe rogan
I want you to be happy.
And she just goes, fucking ham.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
But she says, hey, I'm only doing this up until we get married.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because once then, then I'm all about a sensible budget.
I'm all about fiscally being responsible.
theo von
You couldn't believe that.
joe rogan
You wouldn't believe it.
theo von
Not at all.
joe rogan
You'd be like, wait a minute.
You've been going crazy with these fucking handbags.
And jewels and shit.
theo von
He'd be like, I'm not marrying you then, because, yeah, we have too much shit.
I can't even see you in the apartment now.
joe rogan
Also, I can't trust you with the credit cards.
You're a fucking maniac.
theo von
Dude, I had this roommate for a while, this dude, and he would get all high out in the living room, and he would get these empty boxes, cardboard boxes, and he had a couple cats, and he'd get out there, and he would have them do tricks and stuff up the...
Up the box, he'd stack them really high in the living room.
It's like a 20-foot ceiling.
And he'd get stoned and he'd get upset if I didn't come out and watch.
How fucking weird is that?
joe rogan
Meanwhile, that guy can vote.
That's the kind of guy that goes, well, Megan Thee Stallion?
Is that who she's voting for?
Well, fucking sign me up!
theo von
He would get pissed if I didn't come out and watch, dude.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy.
They spend money.
To make sure that people think that famous people will vote for him.
theo von
I don't think anybody...
Dude, I don't even believe that there's famous...
Famous this...
It doesn't even seem like a real thing anymore.
It's like the other...
I was just texting with Nikki Glaser did the...
Whatever it's called.
joe rogan
Golden Globes?
theo von
Golden Globes, right?
joe rogan
That's what it was, right?
theo von
Yeah, she hosted the Golden Globes.
joe rogan
She killed it.
theo von
She did a great job.
She did a great job, and she was just confident and fun.
It was awesome.
She did a great job.
So I was just texting her and saying, hey, congrats.
That was awesome.
And I said, were you nervous at all?
There's a lot of famous people.
And then she's like, no.
And I was thinking, it doesn't even seem like people are that famous.
Fame has kind of gotten different over the years.
Does it seem like that at all?
I think because some of the most popular people aren't.
It used to just be like they were movie stars, you know?
But now it seems like it's just changed.
Like, you could have just as much infatuation for somebody that you saw that made an entertaining video on Instagram as you could for Tom Cruise, you know?
You know what I'm saying?
Am I making any sense?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think one of the worst things that's happened to actors is they talk outside of acting.
It's almost the worst thing you could do.
Because then everybody, it changes your opinion of who they are.
You don't like them as much anymore.
theo von
Well, in Hollywood, all was always one way.
Remember four years ago, you couldn't even say the word Trump or Republican, and you would be fucking ostracized?
I mean, it was like, or eight years ago?
joe rogan
I'm sure it's probably still like that now.
In Hollywood, we're just not experiencing it, because you're living in Nashville, and I'm living here in Texas.
But if you're in certain circles in Los Angeles, they still feel the same way.
You know, it's...
It's just, I wonder how much of the division in this country is caused by what we're talking about, by this thing that's legal.
And again, I think it should be legal.
I don't think you should have to tell your fucking name if you want to talk shit about something that's going on that affects your life or that affects your job or that affects your kid's school.
You shouldn't be subject to fucking prosecution because you said something about the school board because you just felt like being an anonymous person saying they're a bunch of fat slobs and retards.
And you wanted to say that, but you couldn't say that because then you would get in trouble with your kids who get in trouble and this and that.
theo von
Well, that's what's happening in England right now, isn't it?
joe rogan
It 100% is.
It 100% is.
theo von
And that's really happening?
joe rogan
Yes, it's really happening.
You can't give people that much fucking control.
You can't give people that much control over what offends them or what offends people, what you could say, what you can't say.
theo von
Can you imagine if they would come at the end of every episode, they'd be waiting outside of your...
joe rogan
Yeah, here's the thing, man.
This is a new thing.
This was in England 10 years ago.
This is a new thing.
And it's a scary thing.
It's a really scary thing.
They arrested thousands of people for social media posts.
Thousands.
theo von
That's crazy.
Were they threatening people?
joe rogan
Well, this is what they're doing, man.
First of all...
theo von
No, no.
Were the posts threatening?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
They don't have to be.
They don't have to be threatening.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, they could be misgendering.
There's a lot of things that you could get in trouble for.
theo von
Why be alive if you can't even think or say what you want?
joe rogan
People could deem it's racist if it's anti-migrant.
They have a migrant crisis over there in Europe.
People can deem it anti-migrant and Islamophobic.
There's a bunch of them that are threats.
People threaten people online, which totally makes sense.
You shouldn't be allowed to threaten people online.
But when you get past that...
If you have an opinion about something, about something that's affecting the country that you live in, I think you should be able to express yourself.
And I don't necessarily think that people should know that it's you.
I don't think you should have to carry that around.
You should be able to express yourself and not have to be famous.
I don't think there's a problem with that.
theo von
You mean to not have to have it be known.
So you're saying that Elon should be able to also have a separate voice if he wants to, or anyone should.
joe rogan
If you want to, but the problem is...
If you do that, then you're going to have corporations that are doing what we're suspecting that they're doing.
And what this one former FBI analyst, we pulled up this article a thousand times, Jamie, but pull it up one more time just because it's just so crazy.
You can't believe it's real.
This guy was analyzing the amount of Twitter people that are bots.
And this was a contentious issue, contentious aspect of the purchase when Elon bought Twitter.
So when Elon bought Twitter, they were saying there's only 5% bots.
We sampled 100 people, 5% of them were bots.
And he's like, that's not enough.
unidentified
You have hundreds of millions of...
joe rogan
People that are signed up for this.
How many of these people are fake?
And they really didn't want to tell.
They didn't.
They just like...
Not a lot.
Don't worry.
It's like...
theo von
Yeah.
How many bots were programmed to lie if they were asked if they're a bot?
joe rogan
It's like a guy asking a girl, how many guys have you slept with?
A couple.
unidentified
Nothing.
theo von
Four.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
I'm a former CIA cyber operations officer who studies bot traffic.
Here's why it's plausible that more than 80%...
Of Twitter's accounts are actually fake and Twitter is not alone.
More than 80%.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, I don't think we realize that because we're on there for real.
We're real people on there.
But you're real people where fake people are constantly arguing right in front of your face like the world is ending.
It's not necessarily all real people.
There definitely are real people arguing on Twitter.
Don't get me wrong.
And I think even the fake people arguing is very addictive.
And I think you want to get involved, too, because you're like, you're seeing this guy dunk on that guy.
I want to fucking dunk on somebody.
And then people are spending all their time in this job that they hate when no one's looking, the boss isn't around, you know, typing up some real witty, nasty shit on Twitter.
unidentified
And I think there's...
joe rogan
You want to be able to do that anonymously, but...
If you do have that and you don't know who's doing what, you do get to this point where someone can fucking manipulate it.
But if you do know, then the problem is the government has already shown how fucking shady they are when someone comes out and says something that goes against what they agree with or what they're trying to push or what agenda they have or what's best for them financially.
So they'll fucking throw the kitchen sink at you.
We've seen them do that.
You can't have those kind of people in power where they can know exactly who's saying what.
You still have to have the ability to have whistleblowers.
So you have this conundrum.
On one side, you're going to have this completely manipulated environment that's done by corporations and fake people and people that are paid by parties just to push the party line and to go out there and debate it vigorously and argue it.
They're paid to do it.
And all you have is your wits.
All you have is your ability to try to form your own opinions of things regardless of where you feel like you're pulled because of whatever ideology you've publicly proclaimed to be.
I'm a liberal person.
This is how I feel.
I'm pro this.
I'm pro that.
And then they'll start fighting about what that means.
theo von
What's scary when that happens because then you also have locked yourself into a space where you might not change.
Because you're afraid of what your public persona is exactly and that's got to be well, that's how you get to Dick Cheney endorses Kamala Harris!
joe rogan
And the liberals are like, yeah!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
I saw this dude, he posted an atomic bomb gif, and it was like, after that happened, like, it's over!
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Like, you guys are just dorks who don't play sports.
Do you realize what kind of mental gymnastics you have to go through where Dick Cheney, rest in peace, where Dick Cheney...
theo von
He passed away.
joe rogan
He just passed away.
Where Dick Cheney endorsing your liberal progressive candidate.
That somehow or another that's a good thing.
The guy was the architect of the fucking architect of the Iraq invasion, weapons of mass destruction host, all that shit.
theo von
He was a slumberger guy, right?
joe rogan
He was a scary guy, man.
theo von
He was the oil guy, right?
joe rogan
Halliburton.
theo von
Yeah, Halliburton.
joe rogan
He's from Halliburton.
theo von
Fuck.
joe rogan
Bro.
theo von
That was bizarre.
I mean, everything's gotten so bizarre, dude.
joe rogan
He's not dead?
Oh, it's a fake report?
Fake Dick Cheney death report came from RT Parody account.
Those motherfuckers.
theo von
Here we go, bro.
You got me.
But this is the thing.
joe rogan
It's like, you can't tell what the fuck is true.
Well, first of all, how is he still alive?
You know?
How many soccer players did we lose this year?
Midfield, massive heart attacks, just running down the street.
People are dying.
And somehow or another, Dick Cheney's still alive.
theo von
And Dick Cheney's still out there twerking.
joe rogan
With a different heart.
theo von
Yeah.
That's what they're doing now.
joe rogan
He's got a fake heart?
theo von
I'm sure he does.
I'm sure he's on his sixth or seventh heart.
A lot of these...
You don't think politicians are getting fucking separate hearts and organs, dude?
You don't think they're first in line when they fucking...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
That's probably part of, like, if you go and open up a hospital, this is what I want.
The moment my shit goes south.
I want a doctor ready with his hands scrubbed.
theo von
Yeah.
Oh, I bet there's a sick Rothschild out there somewhere, and every month they're putting a new ticker into him.
joe rogan
Dude, I was reading a story last night about this dude who was one of the, I think he was a Rockefeller, who got eaten.
I believe he was one of the Rothschilds or Rockefellers?
God damn it.
One of them fancy people.
When you hear the name, you're like, oh, that fancy family.
One of those?
So this dude went to New Guinea and got eaten by cannibals.
Apparently he went there.
theo von
I'd hate...
joe rogan
Michael Rockefeller.
So apparently he went there, and they were fine with him the first time he went there, but he was trying to get something from them, and the something that he was trying to get from them was sacred, and apparently they were very pissed off at him.
So he didn't know that they were pissed off at him, so when he went back, he thought they'd be friendly with him, and they killed him and ate him.
theo von
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then they hid it.
They hid the story forever.
So they went looking for this guy like, hey, my rich cousin is missing.
Where is he?
And they're like, I don't know.
theo von
They just fucking burped.
joe rogan
They just ate that dude.
theo von
Somebody just coughs up one of those things that keeps your...
What is that thing that goes on the end of your shirt, Joe?
joe rogan
Your cuff?
theo von
A cuff link.
joe rogan
Oh, a cuff link.
theo von
I just fucking...
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
Some guy just coughs up a cuff link.
joe rogan
Hey, let me give a shout out to the person who's...
It was on their YouTube channel because I can't remember most of the details of the story.
But if you go to this dude's YouTube channel, he lays it out.
theo von
I tried to find a hat that matched with y'all's curtain in here.
joe rogan
That's perfect.
You nailed it.
theo von
Thanks.
joe rogan
I get it in here somewhere.
I have a real problem with these goddamn YouTube videos.
I'm watching too much.
I'm absorbing a lot.
I'm learning things.
theo von
But do you think, like, you talked about Islamophobia in Britain?
joe rogan
Did I talk about it?
What do you mean?
theo von
Or did you mention it a minute ago, Islamophobia?
What does Islamophobia mean?
joe rogan
We were talking about the migrant crisis.
We weren't necessarily saying Islamophobia.
I think there's a, you know, it's like the migrant crisis in the United States.
It's not a crisis of one type of individual coming in.
The idea is that you want to be able to vet everybody who comes in.
No matter what, whether they're from Guatemala or they're from Syria, you want to find out who the fuck they are.
You don't want to let in criminals and psychopaths.
It's all that simple.
And if you start, you know, blocking off people's ability to do that, I always have to wonder, like, what are you trying to do?
If you're just trying to let everybody in and not check, are you trying to...
Create chaos?
Is that what you want?
Because that's what I would do if I was an evil person and I wanted to fuck up an entire civilization.
I would just let criminals in.
I would encourage criminals to go there.
I would release them out of my jails and give them money to go north.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can just walk across to America.
We're going to pay you to do it.
theo von
Well, I think you have a lot of people that believe in some sort of a moral and ethical code and they feel like they don't have a place to be sometimes, you know?
joe rogan
Well, there's also some people that grow up and they just got fucked by the world.
They just got brought to a real bad spot and they started off way worse than you and I. For sure.
And that's the reality of if you want to keep a healthy society, you have to keep those fucking people out.
Like, the world is not fair.
It's not fair.
And if you want to protect the best aspects of the world, you've got to keep them safe.
And then spread out.
Spread out that safety from there.
It's not let in all the bad.
It's spread out the safety.
It's like the way to do it isn't to just let all the criminals in and then, oh, well, now we all live with crime.
Like, no, that's stupid.
The way to do it is to solve the crime problem in an area and then expand that area ever greater across the world.
That is totally doable.
That's totally doable.
You're never going to stop all crime, but you can minimize it significantly with a concerted effort, which is not being done.
They're not doing that.
And there's a bunch of different things that they have to do.
Instead of just hiring cops to fuck people up, they should train cops better.
They should pay them more.
They should make them more respected.
Make people appreciate cops instead of, like, think of them as the enemy.
theo von
I agree.
We always thought that cops were reliable, but then I guess some cultures have different experiences with cops.
But these days, cops are so diverse that it's like...
You'd almost have to be an alien or something to have a racial issue, it feels like, sometimes, you know?
joe rogan
Well, I think cops are just like all kinds of people.
The problem with all people is they're going to vary.
There's going to be some people that can handle pressure and some people that can handle having power and being a boss.
Oh, that's a good point.
I've had great bosses.
We're great guys.
They made you happy to work with them.
You knew they were the boss, but it was a cool situation.
And then you've got people that are cunts just because they're bosses.
You've got this guy that just won't stop talking down to you because he knows he can get away with you because you need the job.
He can get away with shitting on you.
You've all had that, too.
That's the problem with being a cop.
Like, some people are just not good at having power over people.
And some people are great with it.
And then there's the reality of the stress that they face.
Every fucking day you might get shot.
Every day you're pulling people over.
What is the worst thing that's going to happen to you in your day?
Oh, did someone open their door on your car?
theo von
Did someone whistle at you because you had big tits or whatever?
joe rogan
I saw a 10-year-old get their face shot in.
I saw a little girl get run over by a car.
I saw...
Horrible murder scenes, you know, they they're they're going upon car accidents every day You're seeing so much awful shit you're dealing with and then every time you pull somebody over every cop has seen those videos of People pulling people over and just getting lit Literally, with bullets, just fall into the ground.
There's so many of those videos.
Getting your gun taken away from you, getting shot and killed.
We've all seen those videos.
theo von
They're fucking horrible.
It's at Walmart everywhere.
A lot of that shit.
It's like there's just so much violence now.
joe rogan
There's just one where this guy was beating up this female cop and his daughter was telling him to stop.
The daughter was trying to get him to stop beating this cop to death.
You're like, oh my god.
So, like, that job is not a normal fucking job.
And when people don't have respect for it and don't appreciate it, it's a sign of the sickness of society.
It's the illness of society that we don't appreciate law and order.
And we think of it as something that somehow or another, that it's uniquely oppressive.
And that without it being there, you'd have less problems.
So that was all that defund the police thing.
We should have learned from that, and I hope a lot of people did.
That's a terrible idea.
The problem is not cops.
The problem is cops are human.
And they have to stay human, otherwise you're gonna get fucking RoboCop.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So what are we gonna do?
theo von
RoboCop could easily get hijacked, too.
That's another issue.
It's like a lot of...
Oh, yeah.
If there were cyber attacks, like where they wanted every...
Electric vehicle or something to just go drive off a cliff.
They could just control.
joe rogan
100%.
theo von
If they wanted every oven to just heat to 250 degrees and just burn down every house.
joe rogan
Sure.
theo von
Like if something got hacked, you know, it would be very spooky.
So yeah, if cops got hacked, bro, that would be crazy.
And then also they could just say they hacked.
Like you could have a dirty entity hack the cops and use them for whatever they want.
And then who do you even sue with that?
What are you going to even, you know, they're not even people.
Are you going to put a robot on the stand?
joe rogan
Also, you would have to know what kind of, like, hacking is even possible and whether or not it can be detected.
Because if they're doing it wirelessly, like, can they do it wirelessly?
Like, Jamie, you would probably know this.
Can you hack something wirelessly from an anonymous account and, like, get into a system and no one knows who did it?
Or is everything ultimately traceable if they could find the source of the invasion?
jamie vernon
I think when you get to the high-level stuff, they're going, the hacker, like the person doing the attack goes through so many levels to try to hide where they're going from.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they can hide somewhat.
And also, how many of those guys that are operating at that level even exist?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many of those super high-level hackers are out there?
And everybody else is just kind of at the mercy.
Try understanding that if you don't do that.
theo von
It's impossible.
joe rogan
So how is a judge going to understand it?
Who's going to understand it?
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are the cops going to understand it?
theo von
Right.
It's got to be weird.
If you know that much stuff, you're kind of in a world of your own.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
If you're like a super Bitcoin creator type dude, you're in a world of your own.
You're existing in the most sophisticated layers of the technological power of the likes the world's never known.
I've never seen before.
Never seen anything like it.
And you're the people that are at the head of the code.
unidentified
You're the people that are making AI. Yeah, you're like Crypto for Columbus or whatever.
theo von
Crypto for Columbus is great!
joe rogan
Bro, that's great.
theo von
Dude, that's why I've said this for years.
People with autism are the link between...
Regular people and machines.
That's where we're headed.
In two generations, everyone will have autism.
You won't be able to find anybody that doesn't have it or that doesn't freak out if somebody's whistling or whatever.
joe rogan
It's almost like whatever the reason why more people have autism today.
I'm sure there's a bunch of people that think it's vaccines.
There's a bunch of people that think it's environmental issues.
theo von
There's a bunch of people that think it's Chick-fil-A, some people probably.
joe rogan
Could be.
Could be Doritos.
theo von
I'll take it, though, dude.
It's so fucking good.
There's no way you wouldn't take some Chick-fil-A autism, dude, if they had it, bro.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
theo von
If you're like, every now and then, just a weird guy runs out of the back room with a couple pickles on his back, dude, I'd fucking be like, I love this guy no matter what he has, you know?
joe rogan
I totally forgot what I was going to say.
Sorry, dude.
It had something to do with autism.
Oh, what we're talking about.
theo von
Oh, I think that this is the end of that realm.
joe rogan
So just imagine.
theo von
All right.
joe rogan
So there's whatever the reason why there's more cases of autism.
Most people, I think, will agree there are more cases of autism now than ever before.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
But what meaningful changes have we done, if any, to try to limit that or to try to mitigate that or pull that back?
I'm not sure.
And what meaningful, like what progress has been made where you're saying like, oh, now we have 20% less autistic kids.
So if that's not the case, and yet we're in the greatest technological time that we've ever been aware of, and people have more access to information now than ever before, why is it moving in that direction?
And maybe that is a natural thing.
Maybe all this transgender shit where everybody's like, oh my god, I am so sick of hearing there's boys and there's girls and that's it.
Maybe when you find out about plastics and the things that's happening to the human body because it's fucking with our endocrine system and it's shrinking people's genitals and shrinking people's taints and lowering testosterone levels and causing more miscarriages.
If you were watching this play out, if you were not connected to us, and if you were from another planet, and you're like, what is this thing doing?
Oh, so this is a very complicated animal, and this animal gets involved in various plastics and metals, and it has a symbiotic relationship with plastics and metals, where the plastics and metals, it gives them...
Cars and handbags and television sets, but it also robs them of their primal essence and slowly turns them into these genderless, weird creatures that can only survive by replicating through their DNA. Dude, well said, bro.
Because if you were looking at it from somewhere else and you were looking at what are we addicted to?
We're addicted to electronics and we're addicted to plastic.
We use plastic for everything.
theo von
And we're willing to sacrifice something for it.
joe rogan
Dude, I was reading this whole thing about petroleum in the healthcare industry and, like, health and wellness and, like, oils and shit.
Like, how much petroleum is used in all this?
It's everywhere.
It's just everywhere.
It's bizarrely everywhere.
theo von
Petroleum is?
joe rogan
Petroleum is.
So you've got oil and you've got plastics and you've got all of these weird, funky phthalates and chemicals and...
Pesticides and herbicides, and we're all aware of it.
We're like, this is really a problem.
This is really a problem.
theo von
One fucking blast in the air.
joe rogan
It's all of your food.
Like, this could be a problem.
Everyone's on fucking Monsanto.
theo von
Yeah, nobody can sleep anymore.
joe rogan
Glyphosate is everywhere.
And everyone's like, well, we'll certainly get to the bottom of that once we make it safer for queer kids.
And then slowly, we're going to get to a point of no return, where our genetics are fucked by our environmental pollutants, which have...
It only existed over the last couple hundred years.
So our genetics get fucked by these environmental pollutants and like giant changes in human testosterone levels just from the 1970s.
Giant changes.
theo von
Oh yeah, dude.
joe rogan
So I think if you're on that path and you're clearly on that path, we are as a human race, we're clearly on that path.
theo von
Fast.
joe rogan
And we're also at the same time on the path of artificial intelligence.
It's like, how much time do we really have?
How much time do we really have here?
theo von
What if this, though, what if a trans kid...
How many trans people are there?
joe rogan
They're all trans now.
Everybody.
theo von
Right.
The whole country is trans.
joe rogan
I think they've backed off a lot of people who have decided that they really didn't want to do it anymore.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's quite a few, and people get mad at them, which is really wild.
theo von
People get mad at them for changing their mind.
Have you interviewed anybody that has gone down the surgery path and didn't want to have the surgery?
Have you ever talked to somebody like that?
joe rogan
No.
theo von
Just curious what that world is like.
joe rogan
Everybody's got their own weird thing with that, because it's a weird thing.
You don't like your sexual organs that you're born with.
You identify with another gender, or at least you think...
You do.
At least, like, you identify with what they like more than what the boys like.
You're probably just gay.
And that's one of the things they've studied is when they leave transgender or supposedly transgender youths and they don't do anything, they eventually become gay men.
Oh, I see.
Big percentage of them.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does that mean they're all like that?
And some people don't genuinely have true gender dysphoria?
No.
That's always been a thing too.
theo von
And being gay used to seem like if you were just gay, that was everything.
It was like...
It was everything?
It was like gay didn't...
It was like, oh, if you were trans or any...
Now it's LGBTQI, right?
joe rogan
Oh, there's also...
Yeah, there's intersex.
unidentified
Plus.
joe rogan
Two.
Plus.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
What is plus?
Which one's plus?
theo von
I don't know.
joe rogan
I know two is Two Spirit, which is my favorite.
theo von
Really?
I know I'm going to need...
unidentified
Two Spirit.
joe rogan
They took the kooky Two Spirit people and...
theo von
The Native Americans?
joe rogan
No!
Two Spirit is like a very specific...
Let's Google it.
Two Spirit is like...
You think you're like Fox Kin or some shit like that.
theo von
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
This is where I found out that...
I might be fucking up what Two Spirit is, but this is where I found out about this stuff because my...
A buddy of mine who lives in Utah, his wife, worked at a public school.
And he told me that she told him that they were having a meeting because one of the parents had...
Proposed putting a litter box in the bathroom because the kid thinks it's a cat.
theo von
Oh, that's crazy.
joe rogan
And he told me that I talked about it on podcast and people started saying that that was transphobic and this is a transphobic lie and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
theo von
So it wasn't a real story, you mean?
joe rogan
First of all, what does that have to do with transgender?
What does that have to do with that?
You're talking about someone who thinks they're a cat.
How is that transphobic?
And then I realized, like, oh, there's a lot of things connected in this one group that are not the same thing.
Like, they're just trying to lump in every idea.
Like, say if you only have, like, you know, the Electoral College, you get, like, a couple points in this state.
But if you win, like, ten fucking states, you've got a big coalition you can get in the White House.
You know?
So it's like, if you can't just transgender people on their own.
Too many people are like, no, you can't go into the women's room.
Get out of here.
But then you add them to the gays.
theo von
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
You add them to the queers, which is like, what does that mean?
You know?
And then if you're...
theo von
And you're more of a buffet of folks.
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
Are you...
Okay.
Two-spirit people.
Maybe straight, gay, bisexual, asexual, or queer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
They're the people that want to pretend the most.
I'm everything.
I'm a boy.
theo von
I'm a girl.
joe rogan
I'm straight.
You're a fucking narcissist, probably.
You're probably a loon.
Or maybe you really have this two-spirit thing.
I don't know.
But there's a variety of things that are true at the same time.
You're going to have people that are kooky, and you're also going to have people that, unfortunately, really do wish they were born a girl.
Both those things are real.
But the thing about us as a species...
If you're looking at these drops that are all clearly established markers in terms of testosterone levels, miscarriages, men who are incapable of having children, low sperm counts, smaller testicles and penises, we're moving in a direction of looking like those fucking aliens.
theo von
Well, I've said this for years.
If you look at an alien, their head is big, because that's the only thing that's going still, and their body is this useless sort of...
joe rogan
Spindly, genderless thing.
Genderless, like no tits.
theo von
That's stuck under a weighted blanket.
You want to stop an alien, throw one weighted blanket on that bad boy.
joe rogan
I bet they don't interact with things.
theo von
Well, of course they don't because everything happens in their head.
It's all built in at that point.
Why do you even need if you can just blink and cum or whatever?
You fucking blink again and you have a mortgage and then you fucking cough and your fucking parents are deceased.
joe rogan
There's no non-aware language.
You speak every language.
You know every fact about everything on earth at any given moment.
It's all in your head.
There's no questions.
theo von
You have no dick.
joe rogan
You have no mouth.
You can't even enjoy food.
You have no mouth.
theo von
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
Well, if I got a dick and you got a mouth, dude.
theo von
Let's party.
Food's second.
Let's party.
I'm catching a BJ. I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm a fucking alien.
Imagine getting a head from an alien.
Imagine you wake up in the middle of the night and you're having a crazy sex dream and you're like, oh my god.
Like, you ever have a dream where you're having sex?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think in the dream you're actually having sex because it feels real.
Guys come in their pants.
theo von
Oh, I had a dream.
I was on an airplane one time.
Dude, I was flying to Philadelphia, right?
And I had a dream that I was doing oral sex, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
theo von
And I was just kind of like that in the air.
And this old dude fucking shook me.
He's like, get it together.
joe rogan
Whoa.
theo von
I was on the plane.
joe rogan
He told you to get it together.
theo von
Yeah, I was eating air pussy.
What are you talking about?
I think at that point, it's okay if somebody shakes you.
joe rogan
Imagine if you open your eyes and an alien was blowing you.
You just feel trapped.
You're paralyzed.
The alien is just sucking your dick, looking you in the eyes.
Big insect eyes.
Could you imagine?
theo von
No, dude.
joe rogan
Fuck Stephen King.
That's a real horror movie.
Could you imagine you're paralyzed and an alien is sucking your dick?
theo von
What sound does it make?
I bet it makes it sound like a...
joe rogan
Slurpee.
They over-exaggerate.
unidentified
They give you, like, a caricaturized version of our porn films.
joe rogan
We know they like it when you make a lot of noise.
They're gonna be gagging.
theo von
But they're not even moving.
It's just the feeling and making the noise.
Or it also has that light, you know, like whenever you make a Xerox copy of something and that fucking light goes down and back.
It's like that.
I wouldn't want that.
Dude, what was I seeing the other day?
They're having gay animals now?
Is that?
joe rogan
They were having gay animals?
What are you saying?
theo von
If you pull that up, Jimmy, if you see anything of it.
joe rogan
What kind of request is that?
theo von
Well, I'm just saying, if you see...
joe rogan
Bro, animals fuck couches.
They fuck your leg.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
You ever have a dog?
Dogs will grab ahold of your leg.
They know your leg isn't a female dog.
They don't care.
They grab ahold of your leg.
Does that mean he's gay?
No, it means he's crazy horny.
theo von
But no, I was seeing something where they were trying to have a hot...
It's like an upscale meat or beef that comes from a gay...
joe rogan
Why are scientists ignoring all the gay animals?
Go down to that.
theo von
It's a great question.
joe rogan
There's a study.
This is like that James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, Peter Boghossian thing.
What does it say?
Can I read the headline?
Why are scientists ignoring all the gay animals?
Imagine, like, you're a scientist and you're trying to figure out how old the universe is and that's the complaint you read first thing in the morning and you're like, hey.
Hey, hey, hey!
There's other shit to worry about!
unidentified
Hey, you're telling me this otter ain't a homosexual?
I'm trying to figure out how old the fucking universe is!
joe rogan
That's why.
There's not a lot of federal funding for gay animals.
theo von
Oh, there is now, I bet.
joe rogan
Bro, you have to get funding for this stuff.
theo von
I'm sure we spent a bill on it, dude.
joe rogan
Yo, that was another thing that was crazy about the Harris campaign, was when you found out that they can pay activist groups.
They give donations to activist groups.
Like, large sums of money.
theo von
To activist groups?
joe rogan
Like, what?
So that these people will endorse them.
theo von
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
There's an accusation that she gave...
What's that dude's name?
Who's on MSNBC? The old dude?
theo von
Don Leonard?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Don Leonard, you combine two names.
Don Lemon and Sugar Ray Leonard.
theo von
Don Lemon.
That's what you did.
Hey, bro.
No, Al Sharpton.
Don's got a little more sugar than Ray Leonard, I think.
To be honest.
No judgment, dude.
But I'll tell you this.
joe rogan
That's maple syrup.
theo von
Gay animal, bro.
Gay animal meat is going to be the new thing.
You're telling me you're at a restaurant, right?
joe rogan
Right, to be a gay lamb.
theo von
And they're like, hey, okay, you can have this lamb, $70, this shank.
Or you could have this sweet little lamb shank over here for $90.
joe rogan
The best of both worlds.
So it's got the firmness of male.
What else has that sweet tenderness of female?
theo von
Yeah, it's also been basted from the inside, you know?
You tell me you're not going to get a gay steak, dude, for an extra 20 bucks.
joe rogan
Especially if you're LBGT friendly.
You want to support the gay steak market.
theo von
You have to.
joe rogan
That's the next thing, though.
They start cheating, though, and encouraging straight cows to fuck each other.
Because they realize there's more money in gay steaks.
theo von
You're like, I'll take a steak.
You're like, is it gay?
You fucking better be, buddy.
joe rogan
In the attention market that is social media, there has to be a few people out there that are pretending to be gay that aren't.
Like, here's a good example.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Here's a good example.
There were a bunch of girls, and people got mad at them because they're hot female OnlyFans girls, and they started putting fake dicks in their pants.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
And pretending that they're trans.
Because I was getting them a lot more views.
So apparently the way to get a lot of views is to be a really hot trans person.
Like really hot trans people are in right now.
Like really hot like a girl.
Like a super hot girl with a hog on ya.
theo von
With that smoker.
joe rogan
Big ol' big ol' hog on ya.
So people got mad and started saying that my identity is not your costume.
Like the actual trans people.
theo von
Like cultural appropriation kind of.
joe rogan
Yeah, but like, hey!
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Aren't you doing that?
Are you doing that?
You have a dick and you're saying you're a girl and then these girls who don't have a dick are putting a dick on and you're saying you can't do that.
theo von
This is crazy.
Yeah, it's like we're caught in a blender, dude.
joe rogan
First of all, it's very short-sighted because you should be pro-trans even if it's fake trans.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
That would make more people into trans people.
That'd be better for everybody.
theo von
Right, no matter what.
Now, are some people...
joe rogan
It's famine thinking.
theo von
Are there really some people...
Are people born with wiener and breast?
Is that a real thing?
joe rogan
I have not heard of that, but I know that some guys do have problems with their breasts.
Like, there's a thing when guys take steroids.
They develop something called gynomastica, and gynomastica is an enlargement of the breast tissue.
I know guys who have had to get their nipples cut open, and they have to get that removed and then sewn back together again.
It's like a serious operation.
But that's breast tissue because they take so much testosterone that their body starts producing extra estrogen, and then they get titties as a side effect.
I hope I'm not fucking that up.
That's what I've been told.
I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.
But the point is, that's the only time I've ever heard of with a dick and tits.
theo von
But some people are born with both genitals, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
That's a little different, right?
That's pretty rare.
That's called a hermaphrodite.
Or now, I think they call them intersex now.
People are always trying to come up with new names.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
My buddy had these growing up.
joe rogan
Hot tits.
Normal breast tissue.
Hormone imbalance.
Causes swelling.
theo von
First of all.
joe rogan
Causes some sweet titties.
theo von
Yeah, first batch I ever saw around my buddy.
Shout out to him, dude.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what.
unidentified
If I could just crop out that right tit, I could rub one off to that right tit.
theo von
I used to look at my buddy like that.
joe rogan
Go back to that tit, please.
You go back to his, it's his left.
So his left.
It's like, no, no, no.
I don't want to see those.
The technical, the actual one.
So if you just cropped in his left, his left, that one.
Yeah, look at that.
Just crop in that, remove all side of hair.
theo von
Look at that.
Look at that little milk porch he's got on him, brother.
joe rogan
That's like a hot athletic girl's boob.
theo von
Oh, damn, brother.
That's a fucking little nerve branch.
joe rogan
We don't really need to.
Don't do that, James.
theo von
Sorry, that's a lot, dude.
But I'm telling you this.
You're telling me this.
If you make a stake out of that man, you're not going to pay an extra $30?
joe rogan
Yeah, and then the problem would be they would start...
jamie vernon
OnlyFans models with the bulge.
joe rogan
Oh, see?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That's it.
So they're doing it.
theo von
A lot of people...
But what if...
Do you think, though...
This is what I wonder sometimes.
Do you think that science has us headed so we were all...
That everyone is gonna be trans at what like it's like it's all merging Yeah, I think we're gonna be genderless really go to that article again.
joe rogan
I want to see what they're saying What would they say?
jamie vernon
They said it was only two of them.
I don't know how.
It could have spread since September.
joe rogan
Not on my Instagram feed.
jamie vernon
They might have started a trend.
joe rogan
They're all over the place.
OnlyFans models.
Can I just read that?
OnlyFans models are targeted by online LGBTQ mob after posing in underwear with fake bulges.
That's so crazy.
That's so hypocritical.
theo von
I wonder.
Dude, I heard Jelly Roll's got that thang on him.
I heard he's got it real.
joe rogan
I bet it does.
Look at that.
Just two boys being silly alongside a trans flag.
How can you get mad?
How can you get mad?
theo von
Got that donkey on him.
joe rogan
You can't get mad because that violates.
You're saying that your standards are more important than them doing this thing to get attention.
That your standards of what's real is not real.
No, no, no, no, no.
It doesn't work that way.
Because then it's only your standards.
Because if you want that kind of a strict control of the way people view things, you're going to allow people to turn that on you.
And there's going to be way more people that have a hard time with you saying that you're a woman when you have a dick than there's going to be for a bunch of girls who just want to take pictures where they have fake bulges.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't make...
You're just being a control freak.
You can't have no fake trans people.
But only real trans people, but don't let anybody be in control of who decides what's real and what's not real.
theo von
Right, it's almost the same with a lot of cultural appropriation stuff.
At a certain point, it just gets ridiculous.
joe rogan
Did you see that one dude who faked it for like six months?
theo von
Faked being black?
joe rogan
No, you can't do that anymore.
theo von
I'm not doing it.
joe rogan
No, he faked being a woman.
You know that dude?
He was on one of those reality shows, and he had all the tattoos.
He was like a good-looking guy, which is why I was crazy, and he said he was transitioning, and he was just a troll.
He did it for like six months.
theo von
He was just meeting chicks?
joe rogan
No, just like making videos online where people get mad at him.
theo von
Oh, no, I didn't see that.
joe rogan
But he kept it up forever.
That dude.
Explaining Josh Ceder's trans hoax, alleged fake death, and why Monica Beverly Hills is involved.
I don't know who Monica Beverly Hills is.
theo von
Me neither.
joe rogan
So this guy, it was very smart.
He said he's been undergoing a crash out of the most epic proportions, and somehow RuPaul's Drag Race doll, Monica Beverly Hills, is involved.
Is this like a far left-wing blog?
Because the way they're writing this is like...
jamie vernon
It's called Them.
joe rogan
Okay, well that makes sense.
theo von
Them.us.
First of all, it's called Them.us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was like, what is the...
I don't understand what the tone of this article is.
So go back to it now.
theo von
So he was pretending to be trans, Joe?
joe rogan
Yes.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
For a long time.
Okay, here it goes.
Scroll up a little bit.
Oh, here it goes.
The former reality TV star has gone viral on social media for the worst reasons.
That's definitely not the worst reason.
Yeah.
Allegedly faking his own death and claiming it was a hack, as well as pretending to be trans and posting photos of himself in feminine clothes is an experimental mockery of trans people that he claims is exposing the woke mind virus.
But that's not the worst reasons.
The worst reasons is like you killed a bunch of folks.
The worst reasons, you lit a school on fire.
That's the worst reasons.
Like, that's not the worst reasons for going vile.
Because why did he pretend to be trans?
He came out as a trans woman.
He gave interviews with the public, like page six.
theo von
But are there people that aren't...
So this guy just pretended to be trans for a long time.
joe rogan
A long time.
theo von
So he was making a mockery of them.
joe rogan
He said five months.
So he did it for five months.
In October, five months later, he said that it was all a social experiment.
On an episode of the conservative podcast Primetime with Alex Stein, Sider said the purpose was to expose how gullible and delusional the left is.
What I did is I faked being a faker, he said.
I pretended to be a pretender.
The thing is, people don't want to admit that he's correct because it makes you insensitive.
But what he's saying is like...
Logical.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
It's logical.
theo von
And so what if people are actually trans?
Are some people actually trans?
joe rogan
You'd have to ask them.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
Therein lies the problem.
unidentified
I see.
joe rogan
I think there are people that are not, though.
There's people that are perverts, for sure, and pretend to be trans so they can go to women's rooms.
For sure.
theo von
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That's at LAX. For sure.
joe rogan
I'm not accusing all of them.
I'm just saying...
theo von
No, but I've seen it.
joe rogan
You're going to have that if you have this thing, this new thing.
This loophole.
It's a new thing.
When I was a kid, if a guy with a beard and a dress tried to go into the women's room, men would go in there and beat the fuck out of him.
They wouldn't let that happen.
They would say, oh, that guy's a pervert.
theo von
And if a woman went into the men's room, we'd tell her to bring a couple of her friends.
You know what I'm saying?
But still, in a respectable way.
Or you would guard the door while they were urinating.
That was another thing if a woman said, I really need to urinate in here, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, no one would care.
jamie vernon
The added thing is if a parent maybe had a relationship with this...
Monica Beverly Hills person.
joe rogan
Oh, is Monica Beverly Hills a gay guy?
jamie vernon
It's a contestant from Drag Race.
joe rogan
Oh!
jamie vernon
So then this person tried to out them, I guess, and he denied it, and then I guess there might be evidence.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
So they're saying that he might have done this all in retaliation for this.
theo von
See, that's what happens a lot of times is people will...
jamie vernon
I just read that.
joe rogan
Well, listen, for whatever, maybe the guy's gay.
And he pretended to be a woman.
He's not a woman.
Alright?
So maybe he had a gay relationship with a drag queen.
Or maybe it's not even a gay relationship if it's a drag queen.
I don't remember anymore.
I don't know what the new regulations are.
theo von
All I'm telling you is...
joe rogan
I don't know what the new regulations are.
All I'm saying is, if you want to be a person who is open-minded and who's compassionate and who wants to let people live and let live, you can't get mad at these girls putting rubber dicks in their pants.
You can't.
unidentified
It's too stupid.
theo von
Well, it's like somebody dressing up for someone for Halloween, I feel like, right?
joe rogan
A little bit.
But you could say that's what they're doing, though.
theo von
I see what you're saying.
So you're saying you're making your own Halloween, so you can't be upset if we make a Halloween.
joe rogan
You can say you're a girl.
You can say you're a girl.
And you can be a guy with a beard and long nails and say you're a girl.
But you can't make me go along with it.
theo von
I see what you're saying.
joe rogan
I'm not saying that you can't say you're a girl.
I'm not saying that you can't call yourself a new name.
But if we're in this weird, aggressive situation and you want me to say you're a girl so that you can go do girl things in the girl's room and like...
You can't make me agree to that.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
That's where it gets crazy.
Like, if you're not infringing on anybody else's space, there's a reason girls don't want to be in a fucking bathroom with dudes.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if it's like trans men in the men's room, men don't give a fuck because women aren't going in there to rape men.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
So that's the difference.
There are women that think they're men.
No one cares.
If a woman who thinks she's a man wants to enter into men's sports, no one's going to stop her.
theo von
Right, because it's all one direction.
Isn't it always men going to women's stuff?
joe rogan
Well, for sports, for sure.
Look, there have been women that have turned trans and competed against boys.
It definitely has happened.
But the striking dominance that you see where trans men or trans women, biological men, who identify as women, compete against regular biological women in sports.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
You get people with like...
theo von
I would just want to...
joe rogan
It's a delusion.
It's just a delusion that you shouldn't let in.
If you want to have an all-trans league, do that.
theo von
That's what we should do, I feel like.
It seems like there should be that so that then...
joe rogan
This is a cheat code.
You can't just say you're a girl.
You're not a girl.
Let's do a DNA test.
Let's do a chromosome test.
Oh, look!
XY! You're a guy.
theo von
Will DNA tell you the truth every single time?
Will that answer always be the...
joe rogan
Your fucking chromosomes will.
theo von
Okay, so there's no...
joe rogan
Look, there's going to be a variable...
There's going to be a thing even with that, right?
So if you have, like, male and female, all male and all female are not created equal.
There's a giant curve between, like, the most manly man and the most womanly man.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And then the most manly woman.
And the most womanly woman.
Like, there's this giant fucking curve that all it means to be a human being.
I can't tell you where you are in that curve.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what you are you, man.
You'd be you.
theo von
I'll be me.
I'm doing fine.
joe rogan
I want you to be happy.
But you can't pretend you're in that other group.
You can't, especially if you are the male pretending you're a female and you want to enter into, like, women's rooms.
You can't do that because there's too much of a potential for that to be abused by creeps.
So what's the solution?
I don't know what the solution is.
I don't know.
You know, individual bathrooms.
theo von
What about that family restroom that always has...
Dude, I'll tell you this.
The worst thing is...
joe rogan
Oh, that one with the diaper table?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That one special bathroom.
theo von
That's got a diaper table in it.
It's got that Australian diaper table in it or whatever.
You're like, what is this for?
joe rogan
And you don't even have a diaper, but you do have a hog and a dress.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, I'm just going to use this one.
Just not freak anybody out.
theo von
Like Jelly Roll, dude.
joe rogan
He's got that hog on him, huh?
Yeah, but he's clearly identifying as a male.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
No one's denying.
joe rogan
But if he wasn't, and then he had that big old hog, keep him out of the women's room.
theo von
I'm just saying he's got that mistletoe on him.
I heard, you know?
That's what I heard, dude.
I heard he's got that.
You know that thing that cops throw out to get the car to stop if it's going real fast?
joe rogan
Those nails on the strip.
theo von
I'm just saying I heard he's got that rope on him, boy.
joe rogan
Damn.
theo von
So, whatever, dude.
Stay black, homie.
That's what Joey Diaz always says.
joe rogan
Stay black.
That's the most important thing.
Oh, my God.
Have you ever seen the video where, speaking of Alex Jones, where Joey Diaz and Alex Jones, Alex Jones is trying to calm Joey Diaz down, and I'm next to him.
I'm just crying, laughing, and Joey's telling some story about how he smuggled weed through the airport under his nutsack.
They didn't catch him.
What kind of fucking security do we have here?
See if you can find it.
I am literally crying laughing.
I can't breathe.
I'm fucking crying.
theo von
I haven't seen that.
I'm trying to think of what I've seen.
joe rogan
This is Alex Jones of the early 2000s.
theo von
I saw they got that new tariff in New York City.
Do you see that?
Nine bucks to drive into the city now.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
theo von
During congestion time.
That's so crazy.
I think it's 5 a.m.
unidentified
to 2. They're just trying to ruin that city, man.
theo von
Well, I just wonder, what will that affect?
Obviously, everything hits people that don't have money the hardest, right?
joe rogan
You know when we were talking about how once people have power over you, once they have control over you, they never want to let that go?
theo von
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
The East Coast is a great example of that.
And one of the best examples is the tolls.
The tolls were supposed to be created to pay for the city, to build the roads, build the bridges.
But they paid for it a hundred times over.
Once it's already been paid, now you're just stealing money from people because you can.
So then they just fill their coffers up and fill their bureaucracy and fill their red tape to justify all this money coming in.
theo von
It's all a scheme.
joe rogan
This is Joey on the Alex Jones Show.
unidentified
2010. They're just better at covering up what they do.
joe rogan
Did they kill Michael Jackson?
unidentified
I don't know.
Look at the movie.
He was dancing and singing, and next you know he's dying of oxygen.
No, not right.
Junkies are junkies are junkies.
joe rogan
A junkie every day.
unidentified
He doesn't wake up singing dance, and then he has oxygen tanks at night.
Something's not right there.
And in my case, like old school, you're worth more dead than what you are alive.
You understand me?
And now they got a new record coming up.
He ain't in debt no more.
He's doing a tour next year with the people from Vegas.
That jump up and down the blue band group, whatever the hell that is.
I mean, he's worth more now than he's ever been.
I think Paul McCartney killed Michael Jackson.
That's what I think.
If it was up to me, me knowing what I know, I smoke another joint, I'll break it down.
joey diaz
I'll break it down because he bought the music from Paul McCartney and didn't want to give it back to him.
And all of a sudden, they put Paul McCartney in the Super Bowl.
joe rogan
They tried to build up the Beatles to get their thing going.
unidentified
And all of a sudden, Michael Jackson...
joe rogan
That's right, Michael.
theo von
I believe it.
joe rogan
It goes a lot longer.
The best is the end though, he says stay black.
Just get to the very back.
joey diaz
Every time you listen to your bullshit congressman, or your bullshit governor, or even a bullshit president, or somebody who's running for president, and he's hitting you with that same poor shit that they give you every four fucking years, and you still vote for the fucking Momo, and then you get mad.
joe rogan
Think about me saying the word fuck.
unidentified
With that, I'm out of here.
joe rogan
I gotta go smoke a cigarette.
You're making some very solid points.
Don't do the...
No, I know.
Joey, you get it.
joey diaz
I'm with you, but this is just to let the American public know that every four years they buy the same shit they've been buying every four years, and the same people...
unidentified
What do you do with that?
joey diaz
Harvard articulation, and how they don't curse, and they're Christians, and they have a family, and these are the same people that shove it up your fucking ass every year.
unidentified
The one thing that you get about me is, I'll say fuck, but I will not fucking rob you.
joe rogan
If I need something, I'll ask you like a man.
unidentified
Hey, hey, so go fuck yourself, you cop.
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on one second.
unidentified
Take a joke, take a shuttle.
Joey Diaz, Facebook, Twitter, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Big dicks in your ass.
joe rogan
Get out of here, we're in trouble.
He goes back!
unidentified
I'm the...
Stay black, dude.
theo von
We gotta start getting more...
When are you gonna start to see people just identify as black, then?
joe rogan
You can't do that.
They won't let you do that.
theo von
Yeah, but that's what they said about everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that one's been a hard line for a while.
You used to be able to do blackface.
Think about it.
So many people did blackface in movies.
Robert Downey Jr. did blackface in the early...
2000s, right?
theo von
Good point.
Jimmy Kimmel did it.
joe rogan
Look at that movie Soul Man.
Remember?
The guy pretended to be black to get a college education.
Trudeau did it.
Yeah, he did it.
theo von
A lot of people did it.
Lexter Holt, I don't even think...
He looks...
joe rogan
I think that's his real skin color.
theo von
You do?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that is.
theo von
Okay.
That's a rumor.
joe rogan
The point is, that is...
It's going the other direction.
It's not going the direction of the Rachel Dolezal.
Oh, no.
theo von
I think you're going to have a real surgence.
joe rogan
Well, there are people that have tried it.
The problem is, now with 23andMe, it's real hard to pull off.
theo von
Mike Perry?
joe rogan
He's got like 2%.
theo von
Hey, I ain't gonna tell him he ain't.
You know what I'm saying?
That's for sure, dude.
I ain't telling Mike Perry is a zebra if he wants to be, dude.
Can you bring up people that are trying to be black and see...
Like, by texturizing their skin, there's new things, Joe.
joe rogan
Well, I definitely think that people are taking pills.
I've heard of that.
theo von
Yeah, darkening pills or whatever?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some kind of medication that you could take.
Maybe it's a peptide that darkens your skin.
It may be a peptide, but I've heard of it.
It might even have some weird, like, melanin name, like melanolin or something like that.
I don't remember, though.
But I do remember seeing it on an internet article where, you know, it was like how far are people going to, like, look different.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Different shit that people are doing.
theo von
Dark buddy or whatever they're calling it.
joe rogan
Dark buddy?
theo von
Yeah, they call it dark buddy.
And you just, like, take a couple pills of it.
joe rogan
Oh, you're thinking of Justin Trudeau doing blackface.
theo von
Dude, you know, he just retired.
joe rogan
He's just retired, yeah.
theo von
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, he's stepping down until they find, they're going to have to find a replacement.
And then he leaves.
theo von
I liked him better when he was black.
joe rogan
That was very brief, I think.
unidentified
But still, dude, it was a fucking vibe then.
theo von
Bro, people have hammered on that guy so much.
joe rogan
For rightly so, man.
That guy's a creep.
theo von
He doesn't seem like he has any strength inside of him, of his own.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
theo von
And he almost seems like a character from a Charles Dickens novel.
If you bring up his retirement speech from the other day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's fake.
unidentified
That's why.
joe rogan
It's fake.
It's all fake.
He's like a fake progressive.
The whole thing's fake.
That's why he was an authoritarian and he kept cracking down on people's rights and they all really saw it during that trucker protest because that's when it was really in front of everybody's face where he couldn't ignore it.
Here's this guy who is trying to...
He's freezing bank accounts from the people that donated money to the truckers.
theo von
He is now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want to listen to this.
Fuck this guy.
theo von
But he very much has a character from a Charles Dickens novel, doesn't he?
joe rogan
It's because it's performative.
theo von
He looks AI, though.
Look at him.
joe rogan
But if you go to see a movie about Charles Dickens, here's one thing, when you ever go to see an old-timey movie, everyone talks in a more elegant and sophisticated manner.
Yeah, there's a difference to the way people talked in those Dickens- I've got rubella, Dad!
theo von
Tommy has rubella!
joe rogan
You know why?
Because it's fake.
Right?
Like, that's how people used to make movies back then.
theo von
Did people really talk like that back then?
joe rogan
No.
No, people talk the way they talk.
It's just people were just not...
Well, they talked and they had different vernacular than they do now.
But people, when you're performing something, performing something was new.
You have to think about this.
If you go back and watch movies, like, one of the things that's great about...
The fact that we produce so much content is that what it's done, the entire bank of all the content that people created since the beginning of television being started, to the rock and roll boom of the 1960s, to the internet, to all these things, you can see the way people communicate evolves and changes.
And if you go back to the earliest representations of broadcast media in the country, everyone talks in a way that's not natural.
theo von
Hey, Braddock, like that.
joe rogan
Here we are.
theo von
Yep.
joe rogan
ABC News World Report.
Hitler has moved into, you know, it's like there's a way that they talk back then.
And then there's, if you go watch those movies, they talked fake in the movies.
Wow.
Marlon Brando was the first guy to not talk fake.
And everybody's like, what is this guy doing?
theo von
It's revolutionary.
joe rogan
He seems like he's a real guy.
unidentified
Like, no one even knew how to do that until Brando came along and did it.
joe rogan
And so then movies became, and then you get a guy like a Daniel Day-Lewis.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, where does he come from?
Well, he comes from this entire evolutionary tree of people figuring out what's the best way to pretend publicly.
And the way that they would do it in the Charles Dickens movies was a primitive way.
It's like when you're watching...
theo von
Albert is sick, dad!
joe rogan
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer was on the other day.
It was like Christmas around the house.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The old one, the claymation one.
The snow was moving around.
Rudolph.
The snowman.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's goofy as fuck.
Santa looks goofy as fuck.
It's terrible the way people talk.
theo von
Oh, this Santa.
joe rogan
It seems so fake.
But that was the standard.
It's like Six Million Dollar Man was a good show.
Okay?
It was a good show.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
That was the standard.
The standard was terrible.
Like, we had a terrible standard for communication.
That standard's changed over time.
It's changed.
So the people that are still doing it that way, it's glaringly obvious.
So what Justin Trudeau is doing, he's doing like a...
A fucking strip club DJ voice.
He's like Lexus to the main stage.
theo von
Good evening, Manitoba.
joe rogan
You don't know who that guy is.
b-real
You're not getting any of him.
joe rogan
That is a mask.
You're not getting any of him.
theo von
Well, he went to that Tragically Hit concert.
Is that the band?
Tragically Hit or whatever?
Huh?
Tragically Hit, yeah.
He went to that concert and he wore a jean jacket and everybody thought he was like a vibe and I think that's how he won that election or whatever.
joe rogan
Wow.
theo von
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
He's good-looking, he's tall, and he's charismatic.
He's figured out a way to bullshit.
In the beginning, before he had any power, it worked.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he sounded like a sensible guy.
But people get revealed when they face pressure.
And when he faced pressure during that trucker thing, then he showed his true cards.
theo von
Do you think that they'll take Canada in to be the 50s, first or second state, whichever one it is?
joe rogan
I think...
This is what I think.
I think we take Canada and then we go right into Mexico.
theo von
Let's fucking go.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I said.
I tweeted that today.
theo von
You did?
joe rogan
I tweeted that today.
theo von
I didn't see that.
joe rogan
We should let Mexico in, too.
theo von
I want to be fucking Mexican.
joe rogan
Look, everybody keeps sneaking over.
How about we just let them stay here?
theo von
Yeah, huh?
joe rogan
Just like, how about we go into that?
How about what I said?
How about what he said?
Like, instead of trying to, like, let all the bad stuff in, how about we make this, like, totally lockdown safe and then expand safety?
Expand it.
But you got to do it without stripping people of their rights.
theo von
It's a lot.
unidentified
It's a lot.
theo von
But also, there's a big problem.
Like, Poland doesn't let anybody in or out of their country.
Is that right?
joe rogan
They don't fuck around, dude.
theo von
Poland doesn't.
joe rogan
They don't fuck around.
theo von
And that's why, like, why isn't...
Why don't some countries, like...
Well, I guess America is kind of this...
It's kind of a halfway house of...
Like, ideals over the years, it feels like, you know, it feels like, like, I always thought there was this idea of this is an American, this is what we do, you know?
It's kind of like how you were brought up, like, with the Pledge of Allegiance, civics class, all that type of stuff.
Like, this is what it means, like, Ford Tough type vibes, you know?
But then everything kind of changes over time, and now I feel like we don't know what America is, and I think that's the part that seems super scary to people sometimes.
joe rogan
Well, that's the part that's easy to manipulate, right?
So in this moment of chaos that we're talking about, I don't know what America is anymore.
That's when you get all these fucking activist groups that are not real.
That's when you get this discourse online.
That's when you get people attacking.
And you get real people that get caught up in it too.
And they're getting you caught up in it as well.
Because all these people...
People are super addicted to arguing with stuff online.
And I see otherwise very reasonable people that are on Twitter 12 hours a day.
And I just don't understand what the fuck is wrong with you.
Otherwise very reasonable, successful people.
Why are you doing this?
theo von
Yeah, some people tweet all day.
Elon tweets all day.
joe rogan
All day.
theo von
But it must be an addiction, right, at this point?
I mean, there's no way.
It has to be.
If it's real, do you think it's really him doing it?
joe rogan
Well, that was the Andre Dittman thing.
That was the thing.
People were saying that this was a fake.
So was that proven that it wasn't him?
jamie vernon
I've been trying to track that down to have no idea.
joe rogan
I'd heard that it was proven that it wasn't him because this guy who sounds like Elon was doing something while Elon was playing Diablo Live.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they had him talk to each other, I think, in a space.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
They were definitely both making noise at the same time.
But again, without seeing both...
I've never seen a picture of the other guy, I don't think.
joe rogan
That could be AI. Right?
You're telling me a guy like Elon couldn't, like, just for funsies, rig something like that?
That's simple.
He's catching rockets with robot arms, you know?
You don't think he could figure that out?
He could figure that out.
He could have the algorithms talk to each other.
I think there's, you know, they can already translate your language.
They can take whatever you're saying right now in your podcast and they can translate it to German, they can translate it to Spanish, they can translate it to anything.
If they can do that, they could for sure have a version of you that's quick enough with AI that it could respond like a person would.
theo von
It's all going to get interesting because now there used to be places if you didn't like what was going on, you could sail off to another place.
But there's not that many of those places anymore.
joe rogan
No, that's one of the reasons why we've got to protect America.
We've got to protect freedom.
Because if they can lock down on us, we are the last beacon of hope for the world.
And I know that sounds ridiculous.
Oh, you guys are so ridiculous.
So egocentrical.
Look what's happening to Europe.
Look at the chaos.
Look at the chaos.
Look at what's happening in terms of how people are upset at their political parties.
Look at what's happening with Palestine and Israel.
Look what's happening with Ukraine and Russia.
Did you see that fucking bomb that went off today?
You want to see something nuts?
jamie vernon
I don't know if that's real.
joe rogan
You don't know if it's real?
jamie vernon
I don't think so.
Yeah.
joe rogan
For real?
jamie vernon
Didn't you send me in the middle of the night?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't think so.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was taking a shit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Jamie needs to know about this one.
theo von
Oh, yeah, dude.
I don't like shitting at night because sometimes I'll go back to sleep while I'm sitting there and my legs will fall asleep.
Ever had that happen to you, bub?
joe rogan
Yes.
theo von
And then you try to get up and you're like, I'm stuck here on shit island.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Your legs go numb.
And then you just fall down and hurt yourself.
Imagine if that's how you hurt yourself, like slipping.
With your pants down by your ankles and your numb-ass stupid legs.
You bang your fucking head into the nightstand like...
unidentified
And your wife's like, is this who I'm married?
joe rogan
You're the protector.
You KO'd yourself in the toilet room, slamming your head off the fucking doorknob.
You get a big circle in the middle of your forehead for a month.
Every time she looks at you, she looks at you with your stupid fucking bruise, your pants down by your ankles, half-wiped ass.
theo von
Dude, my mom used to always come.
We'd doze off on the shitter as children.
My mom would always come in there and rescue us or whatever.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Well, now it must be more common because of phones.
theo von
Oh, yeah, people all the time.
joe rogan
Spend away more time.
theo von
A lot of crazy stuff.
You know, the Asians can't eat hot dogs anymore.
I just saw that the other day.
joe rogan
They can't, as a general rule?
theo von
They're not allowing it.
North Korea.
joe rogan
What were you just looking up, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The Ukraine hypersonic thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You need to see this.
jamie vernon
I've already...
How to shoot down.
I don't think that video is real.
I'll just start there.
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
jamie vernon
But there's already saying, like, don't believe the hype from 2023 Ukraine and the Kinzel missile.
Don't believe the hypersonic hype.
joe rogan
Well, I remember in the beginning of the war, there was a bunch of footage that turned out to just be video games.
It was going everywhere.
Because people can make money from clicks.
Right?
unidentified
So...
jamie vernon
That explosion's not real.
joe rogan
Can I see that again?
jamie vernon
It's not real.
I just...
theo von
Well, everything's just dangerous now.
joe rogan
How do you know that's not real?
jamie vernon
When it comes up here, that video of that bomb and that tree line, someone edited that part.
Those two things aren't the same.
joe rogan
In what way?
jamie vernon
I'm just...
I hit my history of looking at this stuff a lot.
unidentified
So...
jamie vernon
There's a lot of separation right there.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
See that line?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
But if it's far enough away for the curvature of the Earth, wouldn't that...
jamie vernon
In theory, it could be real, but this is the only video of this that exists.
And no one else is claiming that this is real anywhere else online.
joe rogan
Right.
What I'm seeing, though, is that that thing that you're looking at in the background is elevated.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So that would indicate to me hills and valleys.
So that means the bomb could be going off in the valley below that, and I don't know how far down that is.
So, if you're talking about an area, like, this could be Utah, right?
So, like, if you're taking a photograph in certain...
unidentified
It looks like Utah.
jamie vernon
It's got a soccer field.
theo von
Oh, yeah, where is that?
joe rogan
Do they play a lot of soccer?
jamie vernon
In Ukraine?
theo von
Utah?
Oh, Ukraine?
joe rogan
They probably do, right?
So, see what I'm saying?
Like, that could be far enough over that hill where you get that effect of separation and still be natural.
jamie vernon
The way that it even looks, though, it looks like someone's got a TV behind another thing, and they're showing an explosion of a TV. The way that that looks is not even...
joe rogan
Right, it does look like a little...
jamie vernon
Exposed correctly, if you will.
Right.
And even when it pulls away, it gets weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks grainier.
jamie vernon
And I don't know how you would be filming that to catch a hypersonic missile.
It says it was a...
U.S. reporter accidentally films it like, okay, really?
theo von
And it's going pretty slow at that point, too.
joe rogan
Let me see it again.
Well, it's a perspective thing.
Like, it might look slower than it is because, you know, it's covering a lot of distance.
jamie vernon
It looks like Terminator 2, really.
That's what kind of, like, starts.
joe rogan
It's hard too because like we're probably looking at cell phone footage and cell phone footage is still not that good.
theo von
So bizarre.
joe rogan
They keep making it better and better, but...
theo von
And it gets worse and worse.
The photos do.
joe rogan
Well, first of all, like drones.
I have not seen one good cell phone drone video.
So all that argument about like if UFOs are real, we're the fucking videos.
Everyone's got a phone.
Those arguments are now out the window because we know the drones are real, right?
So we don't...
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Sorry, here's the result for that Kinzall missile thing.
It just starts talking about it.
joe rogan
Oh, the type of missile that they're saying that that was?
jamie vernon
If that was a real video, in theory it would be everywhere.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
It would be everywhere?
What do you mean?
jamie vernon
There would be a bunch more results saying, like, look at this crazy video of this missile going off.
joe rogan
Oh, I see, I see.
So there's only one video and there's no other reports of that bomb going off like that?
jamie vernon
I'd also look at the account that posted it and start looking at some of the other shit they posted.
joe rogan
What is...
Oh, it's a shit poster.
What was that one, though, that did blow up?
Was it in Iran or in Syria recently?
Where they hit some ammo depot, the Israelis did, and it looked crazy.
And that was a real one.
Yeah, you remember that one?
I think you're right.
I think you're right.
theo von
That's heartbreaking.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so scary.
You watch the amount of explosion when it hits.
unidentified
You're like, Jesus.
joe rogan
Check this out.
Oh, this is a different one, but this is another one that's crazy.
This is an ammunition depot building that blows up, but watch this.
theo von
Oh, you're lying.
joe rogan
Bro, how fucking scary is that?
So play that back again.
theo von
That's real?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Yeah, that's what it looks like when one of them things blows up.
Yeah, that's crazy.
theo von
Could a Kevlar thing help you from that?
A Kevlar?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
No, no.
Everyone's getting smushed.
Especially if you're close.
The buildings are getting eliminated.
theo von
And what can you hide behind?
What type of thing would you do there?
joe rogan
There's nothing.
You're not gonna do anything.
You're gonna get vaporized.
It's only about how much distance you are from that blast.
Here's one, too.
Yeah, this is the one, the Ariel, that's right, the Syrian army one.
Check this out.
See if you can do it from the beginning?
unidentified
It's fucking bananas, dude.
Watch this.
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom.
theo von
This just happened?
jamie vernon
A couple weeks ago, maybe.
joe rogan
Three weeks ago, it says.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Look at that.
theo von
And that was in Syria?
Mm-hmm.
What did they do wrong?
unidentified
The way he just phrased that was so funny.
theo von
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
joe rogan
If you really want to pay attention, you have to go down multiple rabbit holes.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
But, you know, Assad was just removed as the dictator of Syria.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
What's that, Jamie?
Oh, I thought you did.
He did get removed, right?
Is he dead?
Because there was reports that he was in a plane.
The plane was shot out of the sky.
But then there was reports that he landed in Russia.
So I don't even know what's true.
Did he get a shot out of the sky?
That was like a story that was in the news.
jamie vernon
I do remember hearing that.
It's not saying he's dead when I Google his name.
joe rogan
Are the stories still up that says his plane got shot out of the sky?
Because I remember there were stories that said his plane got shot out of the sky, and then there was some Twitter story saying that he landed in Russia.
I was like, what is going on with this?
But they wanted a regime change, and they got it.
theo von
How hard was it for him to get?
joe rogan
You know, that's the problem.
If you want to go down this rabbit hole and have a conversation with, like, Dave Smith about it...
theo von
He knows?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
He'll take you down a rabbit hole.
theo von
He's an interesting guy, huh?
joe rogan
He knows a lot.
theo von
He's very smart, huh?
joe rogan
Very, very smart.
He knows a lot.
He knows a lot.
And he, like, legitimately knows a lot.
He's not bullshitting about what he knows.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's why he gets...
These guys, they get cocky and they want to have...
Like, Chris Cuomo, want to have a debate with them.
And he just trounces them.
Yeah, he cooked them.
He knows what he's talking about.
And he's not lying.
Right?
The difference between...
A guy like any of these CNN-type media darling types who pushed the fucking COVID narrative and pushed every mainstream narrative.
Those guys, that's a very specific kind of mindset.
It's a bullshitter's mindset.
And those guys all melt in front of...
Actual conversations with people like Dave Smith who know what they're talking about are not ideologically captured.
Because there's certain things you just can't argue.
You can't argue that it's a good idea to do certain things.
And if you have not made that conclusion in your mind, you're still thinking like you're employed at CNN, you're never going to beat a guy like Dave Smith in a conversation.
Because he's not going to argue with you if you're right.
If you're right, he's going to agree with you.
theo von
Yeah, he seems so locked in.
joe rogan
These people, they're doing a totally different thing.
Reuters reports Assad may have died in plane crash.
Later, removes report.
Oh, they got the call.
jamie vernon
He escaped, I guess.
So their regime is gone and down.
I have seen no more updates other than this.
I don't know where he is.
theo von
Do you believe that we still can get real news information, Joe?
joe rogan
Not from me.
Speaking of which, I have to correct something.
Because there was a conversation that I had with Giannis Papas and Chris DiStefano.
We were talking about Jon Jones.
I had heard a rumor that Jon Jones wanted $30 million to fight Tom Aspinall.
And I did hear that rumor.
And I did hear that the UFC said yes, but it is not true.
So Dana contacted me and said that rumor is bullshit.
So I felt obligated to tell everybody.
That was a fake rumor.
I don't even remember who, because we did that podcast, unfortunately, we did that podcast two weeks ago.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't remember who told me that.
theo von
What do you think the amount is that Jon Jones would fight him for, or do you think it's an amount?
joe rogan
Well, apparently Jon is thinking about retiring.
theo von
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he should.
I mean, he's going to have to someday.
I'm not saying he should retire.
I'm saying he should think about it.
Give the man all the time he wants.
He can fight whenever he wants to fight.
That's Jon Jones.
He's the GOAT. So leave him alone.
If he decides one day to come back, and he comes back and he wants to fight Tom Aspinall for the heavyweight title, the question is, like, how long are you allowed to hold on to the title before they start having that conversation?
Now, he just knocked out Stipe Miocic, so give the man months.
Give the man five or six months.
Just leave him the fuck alone.
But at a certain point in time, you have to decide who the heavyweight champion is.
And if Tom is the interim heavyweight champion and John decides he doesn't want to fight anymore.
He could do that.
And he could do that also and then come back in a year and fight for the title.
He could do that.
He could do whatever he wants.
But he might decide, you know what?
Had an unbelievable career.
Never lost.
Except the disqualification lost to a rule that has since been reversed.
He's the GOAT. He retires.
He's got plenty of money.
He's got an opportunity to do some acting.
Yeah.
theo von
He's an interesting character to me because he seems like them...
He seems unique, kind of.
joe rogan
Oh, he's very unique, yeah.
theo von
He seems hard to pinpoint, kind of.
Does that make any sense or no?
joe rogan
No, but that doesn't ever stop me from conversations with you.
theo von
Thanks, dude.
joe rogan
I don't require you to make sense.
theo von
Yeah, he just seems unique.
joe rogan
That would be so boring.
Listen, Theo, I really love you.
I love talking to you, but you've got to make sense.
Imagine that would ruin our whole relationship.
That's true.
That would be the most ridiculous requirement.
You know what Joe said to me?
People go, what?
That is so fucked up.
Why would he say that?
theo von
God, give me one of those gay steaks, huh?
These things are $30 more.
God damn.
joe rogan
It comes out.
unidentified
You're telling me queer shoulders $9 more per pound.
joe rogan
They serve it in a high heel shoe.
The waiter takes it out of the shoe, plates it.
unidentified
The waiter just kind of scoops it onto your tongue.
joe rogan
Yeah, I call it a juicy Santana.
theo von
But they're going to start...
It's going to start happening.
They're going to start getting these LGBTQ meets.
They're going to start getting...
joe rogan
What's the D? You put a D in there.
unidentified
I don't know.
theo von
Probably for cash.
unidentified
She said LGBT. I don't know, dude.
theo von
They keep putting other stuff in there.
joe rogan
There's still new ones.
Yeah, they always add ones.
But the one that pisses me off the most, the A. That's asexual.
Hey, stay out of it.
This is not you.
Why are you in there?
It's the electoral college thing that I was talking about.
theo von
Right.
joe rogan
As they gathered up this gang of fucking Springfield, Ohio.
Come on in!
Come on in!
We can use your vote!
And they just pile it all on.
Do you think it's a good idea to get rid of the electoral college?
Do you think it should be one person, one vote?
theo von
Yeah, I kind of do.
Because I think there's no way that it's askew at all then.
I feel like it's one person, one vote.
That's it.
I just worry about still how many extra votes they had the one time, if that was ever figured out or not.
joe rogan
Nobody figured it out.
theo von
Which seems crazy, but...
joe rogan
There's theories.
theo von
I just wonder, once our voting gets compromised, it's a wrap.
joe rogan
There's theories, but the theories suck.
The number's too big to me.
Fifteen million is too many people.
You look at the graph of how many people voted for 2012, 2016, and then there's 2020. It's bananas.
theo von
People showed up.
joe rogan
And then there's 24. It goes back to normal again.
And 24 is probably the most consequential election of our lifetime, where people felt...
More nervous.
Like, if these motherfuckers get in charge one more time, like, we could get, like, literally invaded by terrorists.
We could lose all of our rights to say things on the internet.
I mean, they were talking about cracking down on hate speech online.
Like, that free speech is not hate speech.
That Tim Walsh guy was actually saying that.
Hate speech.
Free speech does not include hate speech.
By whose fucking definition?
Yours?
A guy who thinks tampons should be in the boys' room?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when Trump started calling him Tampon Tim, that was like one of all his names.
That's my all-time favorite.
It didn't get used that much because he only had it for a couple of months because the guy went away as soon as the election was over.
But Tampon Tim was the best.
theo von
Yeah, I think I'm amazed how quickly after the election everything just felt like...
Dude.
joe rogan
People in New York, Ari was talking about it, said people in New York, even though they didn't win, like, their guy didn't win, they're happy they didn't win.
There's like a marked feeling of relaxation, like, whew.
Because people in New York are realizing your fucking city is under attack.
theo von
And now it's 18 bucks to drive in and out of it.
It's $9.
joe rogan
It's under attack.
I don't know what I mean.
There's that, too.
But there's also your rights are under attack.
You're being propagandized.
You're getting your finances drained.
They're sucking money out of you and not providing you good service.
You have terrible leadership.
You have corrupt leadership.
You know, when they saw Bill de Blasio, and I think they thought it was going to be better with Eric Adams and this Kathy Holschel lady's out of her fucking mind.
Like, you're watching these lunatics run that state, and they're running it into the fucking ground, and people have to wake up before the thing hits the rocks.
theo von
Do you think we'll start to separate into different countries and states eventually?
Like, or do you think new things like that will start to happen, or do you think we'll figure everything out?
joe rogan
Well, we are different countries.
We're the United States of America, but we're like Europe, really.
Like, New York is so much different than Idaho, you know?
Iowa is so much different than Florida.
I mean, we all speak the same language, but how much different is Miami to Portland?
I mean, they might as well be in another fucking country.
You should have a passport to go to Miami.
They should check your papers if you want to go to Miami.
You just went to Cancun, son.
theo von
You should have a passport to go to eastern Washington, too, dude.
joe rogan
Yes.
But it's like...
We're a bunch of different spots, and that's one of the things that makes it cool, is that you can move to a new spot.
But like you were saying earlier, you could move to a new spot for now.
We moved.
We moved.
You moved to Nashville.
I moved to Texas.
We moved because we didn't like the spot we were at.
We found a spot that was like, this is better.
This is more relaxing.
I feel better.
If you are under one universal control, and that federal control controls all of the social issues...
All of the contentious issues about whatever it is, whether it's Second Amendment, First Amendment, abortion, immigration, whatever.
If you have central control, then you stifle the debate about what's best for the population.
Because when the people get into control, they enforce that, and then they penalize the people that don't agree with them.
And they make it like...
Real obvious that you step out of line, they're gonna come get you, and they're gonna arrest you just like they're doing in the UK. While they're arresting people that are making Facebook posts, you bet your fucking ass there's a lot of people that want to post things on Facebook, and they don't.
Because they don't want to go to jail.
And that's not good.
That's not good.
That's the problem with centralized control.
theo von
Yeah, I just saw a thing where they, oh yeah, well that seems like the scariest thing because then it's like, well, how do you think that people here are like people there or that the beliefs here are like the beliefs there?
That's why I wish we almost had like places where it's like, okay, if this is how you believe, then this is a place for you, right?
And if this is how you believe, then this is a place for you.
Because I think if we have...
I don't think you have that many places you need, probably 10 or 11 places.
joe rogan
But then you get the problem of people coming into a place and deciding that they want to put their own beliefs on this place and change the place.
That's where things get real weird.
And you're seeing that with a lot of countries that are getting a lot of Islamic immigrants.
And they want to enforce Sharia law.
And they want to do it in their neighborhoods, do it in their communities.
What is that thing?
Is this bullshit?
Because there was some patrol group of Muslims in New York that were driving around in cars and they were dressed like cops.
And I saw that.
I was like, is this rage bait?
Is this click bait?
Like, what is this?
What is this I'm saying?
This can't be real.
So it was these guys dressed up like cops that had cars that looked like cop cars.
theo von
Could have been a music video or something.
joe rogan
It could be.
It could be.
jamie vernon
Is it this?
This is five years old.
joe rogan
Muslim community patrols protecting U.S. mosques.
So are they just security guards that are around mosques?
Is that what it is?
And people are blowing this up?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
jamie vernon
I just saw, too, an election count.
The numbers are pretty similar from 2020 to 2024. Really?
joe rogan
Now that they have everything?
jamie vernon
They have 155 million votes for this.
joe rogan
Can we see it?
The graph?
jamie vernon
I didn't feed on the graph.
joe rogan
See, but the thing was the graph was that there was 15 million extra votes.
jamie vernon
I know, but the graphs were made before the counts were all done.
joe rogan
Right, but wouldn't that mean, oh, so now the numbers are high again?
jamie vernon
I mean, yeah, California didn't finish counting until like a week ago or something like that.
For a long time.
theo von
Are you serious?
jamie vernon
I don't know the actual date, but it was a long time.
joe rogan
Trump was just talking about it, that California hasn't finished counting yet.
theo von
How could you take so long to count?
joe rogan
Here's the best part.
In every close race, after prolonged counting for long periods of time, Democrats won.
What are the odds?
The ones where you see how many counties shifted red, that's the same thing.
It's like people are getting fed up with it.
They're getting tired.
They're sick.
They're sick of bullshit.
So, hey, dude, we're gonna do my podcast and we're gonna do your podcast.
So this is what we're gonna do.
theo von
Okay.
joe rogan
So we will, right now, we'll stop, we'll take a piss, and then people that want to follow this conversation, go to Theo Vaughn's podcast.
And it'll be this from now out.
theo von
Thank you, Joe.
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
Thanks for having me, man.
We're going to have fun tonight, too.
I'm excited.
Shane's coming down.
We're coming to the club.
Joe DeRosa's here.
theo von
Oh, we've got to let Shane out of that sauna.
joe rogan
No, he's out.
unidentified
He's a big boy.
joe rogan
Pickle me!
theo von
No, I'm excited to see him.
It'll be fun.
Thank you, bro.
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