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Joe Rogan Experience #2249 - Yannis Pappas & Chris Distefano
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yannis pappas
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
yannis pappas
I want to see you vomit.
joe rogan
Are we up?
This is Chris Stefano's very first time ever lighting and smoking a cigar.
How old are you?
40. How have you managed to get this far with no cigars?
chris distefano
I don't know how to do any, like, really guy shit like that.
Like, I don't know how to play pool, cigars.
I don't really know how to do that, but I do know every state capitol.
joe rogan
Okay.
chris distefano
Is this the right way?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yannis pappas
He's going to vomit.
I want to see him vomit on your show.
joe rogan
I don't think he's going to vomit.
Don't inhale it.
You've got to get the fire.
Lower your hand.
Are you doing this on purpose?
chris distefano
I swear on my kids I've never done this.
joe rogan
No, I mean the way you're being retarded.
Get the fire on the...
There we go.
yannis pappas
Right on there.
joe rogan
Get it on there.
Get it in there.
There you go.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Alright, you're good.
Just start pulling.
yannis pappas
No, suck it up.
joe rogan
No, you're not good.
How did you fuck that up?
chris distefano
What am I supposed to do?
Smoke it?
joe rogan
You gotta inhale while you're lighting it.
yannis pappas
Yeah, what you wanna do is inhale all the smoke in.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
You just kinda keep...
Take a deep...
yannis pappas
I'm having fun with him.
joe rogan
Breathe in while you're doing that.
chris distefano
I fell into the thing!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
yannis pappas
I don't know.
joe rogan
How do you get to be 40 and never have a cigar?
yannis pappas
Well, now he's a man.
Now you're a man.
chris distefano
So what do I do now?
yannis pappas
Puff on it.
You puff on it.
joe rogan
It's not even lit.
How did you fuck that up?
chris distefano
I'm sorry, Joe.
joe rogan
You tried to light it for five minutes.
yannis pappas
You gotta puff on it.
joe rogan
You gotta do this, and you don't inhale.
You just take it into your mouth.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
You enjoy the taste of it.
joe rogan
There you go.
Take some little puffs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is not going to work out well.
A couple puffs.
chris distefano
Yeah.
yannis pappas
He's going to like the whole thing.
There you go.
joe rogan
Puff.
Keep puffing.
Keep it lit.
You want to keep it lit?
There we go.
Giannis knows.
Giannis, when was the first time you smoked a cigar?
unidentified
I'm sorry.
yannis pappas
When I was six years old.
joe rogan
Like a regular person.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a regular person.
yannis pappas
With my uncle.
chris distefano
You know what it is?
joe rogan
How did he get to be 40 and no cigars?
chris distefano
I think because my dad never really smoked a cigar.
joe rogan
Don't cry.
Don't start crying.
chris distefano
No, it's in the back of my throat.
My dad never really smoked, and I never really did any, like, man kind of stuff like this.
And I was with my mom mostly, and she was more, you know...
joe rogan
Even the way you said that.
chris distefano
I know, well, it's just I got a cigar in the back of my throat.
But I don't know what to do.
I'm just thinking about how my clothes are going to smell like cigar smoke.
yannis pappas
Yeah, no, it really does.
joe rogan
So it's going to mess with your head?
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
And it messes my head because I'm like, I don't want to get cigar smoke on my clothes.
joe rogan
Do you use cologne?
chris distefano
Yes.
Shout out Yves Saint Laurent.
joe rogan
Wow.
yannis pappas
Body odor.
chris distefano
Do you not use cologne?
joe rogan
No.
chris distefano
Never?
joe rogan
No, never.
chris distefano
Maybe when I was like 18. You just go with your natural musk.
joe rogan
Well, I wear deodorant.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
I wear Dr. Squatch.
chris distefano
Shout out Dr. Squatch.
joe rogan
Shout out Dr. Squatch.
Natural.
It doesn't have aluminum in it.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I wonder if it works as good.
chris distefano
Well, there's more effect.
joe rogan
I think there's something to the aluminum.
Why would they put it in there if it wasn't effective?
yannis pappas
No, I tried the deodorant without the aluminum and it doesn't work.
joe rogan
Dr. Squatch's good.
You can take a sniff of these bits.
yannis pappas
Can I take a peek?
joe rogan
Hey, you smell.
Come see me.
chris distefano
Take a smell.
Here, you want me to go on the other side?
joe rogan
Come take a sniff.
yannis pappas
They smell good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
Get in there.
yannis pappas
Wow!
joe rogan
Not bad.
Not bad, right?
Dr. Squatch is legit.
I forget which flavor it is.
It's like fucking whiskey, bourbon, musk, some shit.
chris distefano
There's pheromones in natural scents.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a lie.
chris distefano
You don't think so?
joe rogan
I mean, there's pheromones, but natural people smell disgusting.
People that don't wear any deodorant, they always smell funky.
unidentified
Stinky.
joe rogan
They have, like, you know...
Think about how it works, right?
It's just getting squashed all the time.
Your pits are just constantly getting squashed.
And there's hair in there, unless you're a weirdo.
So there's hair, and the hair is collecting all the sweat, and it's just getting funky.
yannis pappas
That's what made eating pussy so hard before the 2000s.
joe rogan
Before porn.
yannis pappas
Before porn.
But porn used to be muffed out.
joe rogan
Right.
But somewhere along the line it wasn't.
And then society followed.
yannis pappas
Yes.
And it changed eating pussy.
I mean, it's so much more enjoyable without any fumes.
Because the fumes get caught in the hair.
chris distefano
Fumating.
joe rogan
Stuff goes on down there.
Plus it's six inches from the asshole.
Not even.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
Napoleon's letters to Josephine, he wanted her to have a full bush, and he wanted her not to bathe for a week.
When he was coming home for more, he said, I need it.
I need it.
Fucking Mungy.
So some guys like that.
joe rogan
Mungy.
Well, he was involved in trench warfare.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That guy had a different tolerance for shit.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you just imagine the kind of warfare that Napoleon's crew were.
I mean, they had muskets.
yannis pappas
And they were also probably much more tolerant of bad smells because history smelled.
Can you imagine?
People bathed once a week and even athlete's foot.
Everybody probably had athlete's foot.
chris distefano
Stinky.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Everyone.
yannis pappas
They didn't have bidets yet.
joe rogan
No.
yannis pappas
So your asshole was just like...
joe rogan
They didn't have running water, bro.
yannis pappas
Yeah, they didn't have nothing.
joe rogan
They had buckets.
chris distefano
They were shitting in buckets.
The only people who were clean in antiquity?
Muslim people.
They were the clean ones.
When you read about the Crusades, they said the Muslims were able to smell the Christian army coming from miles away because of how filthy they were, where Muslims were all about science and cleansiness and Dr. Squatch before it was big.
joe rogan
Well, before the Mongols sacked Iraq, That was the pinnacle of civilization.
They turned the river, was it the river Tigris?
They turned it red with blood.
That's how many people they killed.
They killed the entire town of Baghdad.
They killed everybody there.
And those people were at the pinnacle of science.
And then look, you go all the way to the 1990s and you got fucking Saddam Hussein and his psychopathic kids running shit and killing people and that was what was left over.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Same gene line.
joe rogan
It's really nuts when you think about...
yannis pappas
You think that gets into the genes, like the killer kind of psychopathic?
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
I think good things and bad things get in your genes.
I think that's been substantiated by science.
They said that even racism can be passed on from parent to child.
yannis pappas
That makes sense.
unidentified
I believe it.
chris distefano
Traumatic memories.
I believe it.
I feel like only now as I'm getting older am I like, oh, I have some of my mom's memories in my head, I feel like.
joe rogan
Think about it.
Let's think of simpler animals, like animals, like dogs, like Carl.
How the fuck does a dog know to pee on a tree?
How does a dog know to go to where pee is and pee on it?
How do they know any of those things?
yannis pappas
They're born with it, programmed in.
joe rogan
There's some memory.
How do they know when they see another dog or an animal to bark?
Why are they scared of it?
Why are people scared of snakes?
Why are people scared of spiders?
yannis pappas
Puerto Ricans are not scared of snakes.
joe rogan
Well, they probably live in Puerto Rico.
yannis pappas
No, I'm saying they take them as household pets.
chris distefano
Yes.
yannis pappas
My friend Sergio's got eight of them.
chris distefano
Eight snakes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sergio might be a problem.
yannis pappas
Yeah, Sergio is a problem.
Sergio is going to hurt somebody.
joe rogan
Pets that are snakes.
chris distefano
Sergio used to beat up drug dealers when he was 15 with his fists.
Other drug dealers would pay this 15-year-old kid to go beat up other drug dealers with his fists on the Lower East Side and get money.
yannis pappas
But he's a great guy and a spiritual guy and he's the only guy I know that would beat up a drug dealer and then journal about it later because he's in the speech.
joe rogan
How do you know about this guy?
yannis pappas
He's a friend of ours, yeah.
chris distefano
He's our friend.
joe rogan
He's a comic though.
yannis pappas
Sergio G. Cohen.
He's a comedian.
unidentified
He's a comic?
Yeah.
chris distefano
He's a comic and a boxing instructor.
joe rogan
Oh, no kidding.
yannis pappas
Yeah, he trains us both.
We're fucking ready.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You look thinner, dude.
You really do.
You look healthy.
yannis pappas
Thank you.
chris distefano
He does.
joe rogan
He looks good.
You've been boxing?
yannis pappas
I've been boxing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, let me see some moves.
yannis pappas
You want to see it for real?
I'll show you form.
chris distefano
I got video of it.
yannis pappas
I'll show you form, dude.
chris distefano
He's got a nice...
You made a video today!
I got a video today.
He's got a nice right hand.
You say you're slow, but you're not slow.
But you got a nice right hand.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
He tells me I got a little power in both hands.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
So I don't know.
joe rogan
You're a little too confident for my liking.
yannis pappas
I know.
I know.
And that's how it goes.
And then you just get fucking stretched out.
chris distefano
Stretched out.
You'll get laid out, cuz.
yannis pappas
Yeah, you get stretched out.
chris distefano
You have a smaller head than normal physically.
yannis pappas
So it is hard to catch.
chris distefano
It's harder target.
yannis pappas
Yeah, you're fucking target.
It looks like you got a helmet on your head.
joe rogan
Listen, the reality is both of you are going to get hit a lot.
chris distefano
100%.
joe rogan
And it's way better to have a big head.
yannis pappas
Is it?
joe rogan
100%.
Guys with bigger heads traditionally, for a fact, take a better shot.
Those are guys like Mark Hunt.
Mark Hunt, one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.
K-1 Grand Prix champion, fought in UFC, fought in pride, is a legend.
Head the size of this table.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Body, dad body.
joe rogan
Brock Lesnar had the size of this table.
Yeah, he was just Samoan.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just a giant, thick dude.
He was like 5'10", 250. Yeah.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
But one of the greatest chins of all time in all of combat sports.
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yannis pappas
Can you see just from looking at our faces how easy it would be?
unidentified
Yes.
yannis pappas
My chin's going out.
I'm going out quick, right?
joe rogan
You don't have good structure.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
I got a lady's face, is what you're saying.
joe rogan
No, you have a man's face, but there's certain faces that are easier to hurt.
yannis pappas
Yeah, and his got a good jaw.
joe rogan
But, you know, there's arguments against that.
Like, some guys have small jaws, and somehow or another they take great punches.
Max Holloway doesn't have, like, a big square jaw, takes a tremendous punch.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
chris distefano
I'm scared to sleep with the lights off, so I think if I got hit...
joe rogan
You look like you can take a good shot, though.
Like, the structure's good.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
What I have, what my defense is, not against guys like you, if you don't know me, but my defense is I look like I can take a punch...
joe rogan
You look like you could be a complete psychopath.
chris distefano
And I don't know any...
joe rogan
Like, if I could teach you how to, like, really find your inner psycho, you'd scare the fuck out of people.
chris distefano
First you gotta teach me how to light a cigar.
I don't even know how to do that.
joe rogan
There's something dead behind your eyes that's very troubling if you were angry.
chris distefano
If I was angry, yeah.
But the thing is for me, Joe, and I'm just completely honest with you, when I get really angry, like you'll punch a wall or you'll do man shit, I cry.
There's been many times where I've gotten so mad that I just start to tear up and cry.
I've cried in front of Giannis before.
joe rogan
When you get angry?
chris distefano
When I get angry, I just start to cry.
So there's some wires crossed somewhere in me, but we've kind of accepted.
That's why I think our friendship has blossomed to the way it is, because we both understand that we just have a little bit more estrogen than most guys, and that's okay.
yannis pappas
We got nicked for sure.
I mean, some people get fully clipped.
chris distefano
Joe didn't get it at all.
Joe got not even close to being nicked, which is rare for a comic, because it's very usually hard to be funny and not a little bit of a feminine guy.
You're a very manly guy that can be funny.
That's rarity, babe.
joe rogan
Well, most guys that, if you hang around boxing gyms, or if you hang around a lot of cops, or if you hang around soldiers, they're funny, man.
They're funny dudes because it's gallows humor.
One of my funniest friends was a Special Forces guy.
He's fucking hilarious.
And he's always cracking jokes you could never repeat, saying things you could never repeat, and it's just so funny.
He's funny.
It's just funny in kind of a crazy way.
chris distefano
We always say that like if we were like back in history like 200 years ago or whatever, we'd be the guys in the war.
We'd either be hitting the drums or we would just be keeping the troops loose, laughing with the troops because we're not the kind of God.
We think we have value as men to other warrior men like yourself, but we're not going to do the fighting.
But we will do the cooking, the cleaning, and the laughing.
yannis pappas
I will offer my nuts up to be a eunuch to watch the harem.
joe rogan
It's also the experiences that you've had in your life that make you who you are right now.
It's not as simple as like...
Like when I was a kid, I was terrified of everybody.
That's why I learned martial arts.
I was getting picked on.
I hated it.
So I was like, alright, I've got to figure out...
There's only one way.
The only one way is to become formidable.
To become the person that you're scared of.
So I did that.
But it wasn't because I was this kid that was tough all the time.
When I was young, I understood how to just be a fucking man.
No, I had to learn all that.
yannis pappas
From great weakness comes great strength.
joe rogan
Well, you recognize what it is, right?
It's thought patterns.
You allow your brain to go down these Very detrimental thought patterns and you under you have to like separate you Consciousness from these patterns that you allow your your attention to go down That's what it is.
Yeah, and if you can shut those off You'll you'll have a happier life you have to you have to understand where they're going and when they go in a negative detrimental anxiety spiral Now, I'm not saying this will work for everybody because I do believe that some anxiety is chemical.
I believe that some people have a bad balance because I know people like that.
It's a real thing.
And I can never say that the way I think is the way everybody thinks.
There's no way.
But I know for me that with me, I know because of extreme experiences, I know how to shut those things off.
So from fighting, from hunting, from doing stand-up, from doing a lot of live things where you're in front of like thousands of people, I know how to shut that part of the brain off that goes down those roads.
I know what it is, you know?
I've experienced it.
I've never had a panic attack, but I've had anxiety and I freaked out before and then I was like, why did I react like that?
And then you look at it in retrospect, you go, okay, I started spiral, and then what if this happens?
And then what if that happens?
What if this happens?
What if that happens?
Okay, don't do that.
And then get to that spot and have enough mental clarity and enough sovereignty, control over the mind to not allow it to go down there.
yannis pappas
It's tough when you have a comedian's brain because that's what we do.
We spend a lot of time in our heads analyzing things.
Analyzing things.
Sometimes it can turn on you.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
If it starts with what if, it's anxiety.
Push it out of the brain, folks.
yannis pappas
And anxiety is a liar.
chris distefano
What if is no good.
Anxiety is a liar.
joe rogan
Anxiety is a liar.
But that what if sometimes is good.
Like, what if I do this?
What if I just re-look at this?
What if is not bad?
unidentified
What if it's attached to, what if it all falls apart?
joe rogan
What if everyone hates me?
Like, every now and then I get a text from a friend that's like, hey man, are we cool?
Like, what are you talking about?
Like, what are you talking about?
Of course we're cool.
Like, what happened?
Well, I just don't know.
I haven't heard from you in a while.
I'm like, are you okay?
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is...
Let's talk on the phone.
These are weird conversations, you know?
Some people just go down a road and they start thinking everybody hates them.
chris distefano
That's narcissism, right?
They just think everyone's obsessed with you.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that, right?
Unfortunately, even victims, like people that are psychologically damaged and they're depressed, that is a type of narcissism, unfortunately.
But you don't want to further victimize someone who's got a mental illness by saying, oh, you're a narcissist.
But if you're just only worried about how other people think of you, And only worried about how you fit into everything.
Yeah, there's a narcissism in that.
yannis pappas
I know when I text you, I just go, hey, there's a one in six chance.
The guy's a busy guy.
chris distefano
That's what it is.
yannis pappas
I never take it personally.
joe rogan
I have to get a new number, and I've been saying this for a while.
I have a couple numbers, but I have to...
I gotta just completely check out.
yannis pappas
And I never call you first because I'm like, I don't know if we got that type of friendship.
joe rogan
You can totally call me.
yannis pappas
I can call you?
joe rogan
Yeah, small friends.
unidentified
Alright.
joe rogan
I hug you when I see you, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then you can call me.
yannis pappas
Oh, I'm calling you.
chris distefano
There's been a couple of times I've sent you.
yannis pappas
I'm coming over for Christmas.
unidentified
Yeah.
Now, oh wow, you're gonna be seeing a lot of Giannis Pappas popping up.
joe rogan
Let's go.
chris distefano
There's been a couple of times I've sent Joe voice notes, and then you listen back, and I'm like, I'm not sending that.
And then I just don't reach out.
unidentified
What'd you say?
yannis pappas
What's up, honey bubbles?
What's up, baby gorgeous?
joe rogan
You know who sends me the most voice notes?
Alex Jones.
Because they disappear.
yannis pappas
Oh, right.
joe rogan
This is what they're planning.
And then it fucking disappears.
chris distefano
But you could keep them.
unidentified
That's perfect.
chris distefano
Yeah, you could keep them.
joe rogan
But doesn't he know if you keep them?
chris distefano
Yeah.
I don't want him knowing that.
I don't want him knowing that.
joe rogan
I'll record it with another phone.
chris distefano
That's smart.
joe rogan
I'll film it.
chris distefano
Smart, dude.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what the problem is.
chris distefano
Yeah.
yannis pappas
That's perfect.
joe rogan
I've known him for about 25 fucking years.
yannis pappas
I mean, if you called me and did that, I'd be like, Alex Jones.
unidentified
As soon as Trump gets in, the aliens will land.
yannis pappas
That's perfect.
joe rogan
They're turning the frogs gay.
chris distefano
Dude, I saw a video of Alex Jones, and I'm late to the game of seeing this, but how he predicted 9-11 in June of 2001. He did, yeah.
I was crazy to watch that.
joe rogan
Tucker thinks he's a savant.
He's a very misunderstood guy.
He really is.
And it's really unfortunate, that Sandy Hook thing, because if it wasn't for that, he would be way more respected and people would appreciate him for what he is.
He had a psychotic break.
And he had a drinking problem at one time and maybe some other stuff.
And he was losing his fucking mind because all day long it's conspiracies that are real.
And so when you start looking for conspiracies in places that aren't real, and then I think there's also another thing.
I think there are certain people.
Now, I don't know who they work for.
I don't know if they're independent.
I don't know if they do it just for fun.
Some people create fake, compelling conspiracies and then put them online.
yannis pappas
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
They do it.
yannis pappas
For content.
Yeah.
For views.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
unidentified
Attention.
joe rogan
But I think there's a more nefarious aspect to it, too.
yannis pappas
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I think the more conspiracies that you can make look really stupid, the more the real ones.
It seems preposterous because they're connected, right?
Here's a great example.
9-11 was an inside job.
That sounds fucking insane, right?
That sounds completely insane that the government did that.
But 51 former intelligence agents testified that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.
That sounds crazy, too.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
But that's real.
Right?
If you get enough of the ones that don't make sense, like the Jews control the weather, you get enough of the flat earth ones, you get enough...
They're all...
It's all like...
It's like the term drugs, right?
The term drugs applies to nicotine.
It applies to the coffee we're drinking.
That's what a drug is.
But it also applies to fucking meth, right?
Right.
Conspiracy theories are lumped in all together, just like drugs.
And the best way to do that is to put a bunch of bad ones out there, really bad ones, so that the ones that are plausible, you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Show me the Pfizer files.
Why are they hidden for 75 years?
Wait a minute.
How many people did you test this on?
Did you ever test for transmission?
You never did.
So when you were on TV and you're saying that, what was going on there?
That's a real conspiracy.
These are real people conspired to hide information and to shape a narrative that would be very, very profitable.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
But nobody's going to believe the Jews created the weather and then also...
It's only a small group of people who are going to go.
The Jews are controlling the weather.
chris distefano
They're definitely cloud seeding in Dubai.
yannis pappas
They will crawl in your shoes, though.
The Jews will crawl in your shoes.
unidentified
For sure.
yannis pappas
Make sure you keep your shoes tight.
Tighten your laces.
joe rogan
For sure, there's people that can discern between a good conspiracy and a bad conspiracy.
But I don't think there's a lot of them.
I think it's like 30% of the population.
chris distefano
All right, let me ask you about this one, then.
yannis pappas
America, maybe.
joe rogan
America.
30% of America.
chris distefano
Let me throw this one out.
Are you ready for this one?
Do you think it's possible, just hear me out, do you think it's possible that what this existence actually is is some type of prison planet and we are negative emotions are being fed on by an ancient alien race that has kind of imprisoned us and the reason why monks and people like that go into deep meditation is because a lot of this universe is spoken through vibrations and they can get their vibrations to a certain height where they can vibrate and have so much positive energy that the prison planet rulers can't eat their Can't eat them,
and they're not stuck in this loop like we are.
joe rogan
Where'd you get this one?
chris distefano
This is real.
yannis pappas
I thought it was eat their negative thoughts.
chris distefano
Eat their negative thoughts and negative emotions.
Can you light me up, Giannis?
I'd like to hear about that.
joe rogan
This is such a feminine thing.
He's asking you to hold the door open for him.
Why don't you put the umbrella over his head, light a cigar.
yannis pappas
You're getting lit up on nicotine.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is.
chris distefano
I feel light-headed.
Is that normal?
yannis pappas
Yeah!
Yeah, you may get sick too, but it'll be fine.
joe rogan
That's why cigars are so good for conversation.
You're not gonna get sick.
Cigars are so good for conversation because it gets you a little loose.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's nice.
It's a nice little buzz.
chris distefano
So you don't think there's a possibility this is a prison plan from an advanced human race and they're eating our negative emotions and thoughts?
For fuel.
joe rogan
Where'd you get that?
Where'd you get that from?
yannis pappas
Alex Jones.
chris distefano
No, not Alex Jones.
Alex Jones has a much more detailed explanation.
joe rogan
Interdimensional child molesters.
chris distefano
There's a device on the moon.
There's a device on the moon.
That's how they reflect.
That's how they reflect.
The energy goes to that.
joe rogan
That sounds like some L. Ron Hubbard shit.
Carl likes it.
Have you ever read any L. Ron Hubbard?
yannis pappas
I know the details.
I know it's a nice pyramid scheme to go up all the way.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, but that's just the Dianetics or Scientology.
The really fun stuff is his science fiction.
Do you know that he wrote the most words ever?
chris distefano
What?
joe rogan
Of any human being.
yannis pappas
More than James Joyce?
joe rogan
He has the most published work of all time.
unidentified
Wow.
yannis pappas
So he's like the Thomas Kinkane of writing?
joe rogan
Well, he never made a second draft.
Homeboy's stuff all sucked.
It was all unbelievably bad science fiction.
unidentified
Got it.
joe rogan
It was unbelievably bad.
Like, wonderful.
Like, so bad, it's just like, what?
Have you ever seen Battlefield Earth?
yannis pappas
Yeah, that was the worst movie ever.
joe rogan
L. Ron Hubbard is a record-holding author who owns the Guinness World Records for publishing.
Most published works by one author.
Most audiobooks published by one author.
Most translated author in the world.
Most translated author, same book, The Way to Happiness.
Very interesting.
He's a special IBM typewriter with extra keys for common words.
chris distefano
What?
joe rogan
He was so bad.
He was so bad at writing.
Not only did he not edit, he needed the word ready.
chris distefano
You keep going, you might be in line for Guinness World Records' most podcast minutes ever recorded.
That's possible.
yannis pappas
That's very possible.
chris distefano
You could get that.
joe rogan
Maybe.
I mean, what's the record now?
chris distefano
I don't know, but who's doing nine hours a week?
Only you.
joe rogan
I might already have it.
chris distefano
You might already have it.
joe rogan
But that's like, I already have the Guinness World Record one that Adam Carolla holds.
chris distefano
What's that one?
joe rogan
Adam Carolla has, like, the most downloaded podcast of all time.
Like, bitch, that's mine.
You can have it, though.
Keep your name in the book.
That's mine.
chris distefano
Well, because, yeah, you have to specifically go to Guinness World Records and they have to do research and, like, give you a whole thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to prove it.
You have to go to them to try to get it on the books, and I don't give a fuck.
But...
If they were like really checking.
yannis pappas
It's you.
joe rogan
It has to be.
This has been number one for five or six years?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no way.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's no way Adam Kroll still got it.
That's crazy.
No way.
You're lying.
yannis pappas
No.
And you do what?
Average three every episode, three hours.
So it's nine hours a week.
unidentified
Yeah.
Average.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I'm using usually four a week.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So it's usually 12. And sometimes five.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This week is four.
Some weeks it's five.
And if it's a fight companion, like some weeks it's four and a fight companion, the fight companion might be five hours long, you know?
chris distefano
That's just passion, you think?
Like, you never say, fuck, I gotta do a pod.
It's always like, can't wait to do the pod.
joe rogan
I never say, fuck, I have to do a pod.
chris distefano
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
Especially guys like you.
I'm like, we're gonna have fun.
chris distefano
We're gonna have fun.
What are we talking about prison planets?
joe rogan
Do you know how much we would be loving this if it never happened?
Like, if you never got to be around friends and just shoot the shit and smoke a cigar and laugh and crack up and talk about nonsense, like...
If you couldn't do it, it would be something you would look forward to so much.
If you're lonely, if you didn't have good friends, you didn't have, like, comics are the best friends.
They're the best friends to have.
Because you could be open with them, they talk crazy, they say wild shit, you laugh together, you feed off of each other.
They're the best friends.
If you didn't have any comics for friends, there's a lot of fucking sad, sad people out there.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you're not sad...
yannis pappas
You say comics aren't sad?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, some comics are.
Some comics are sad.
yannis pappas
Tears of a Clown.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a little exaggerated.
I think a lot of them are sad because of the whole thing we were talking about before, like narcissism and anxiety.
Like comics are some awful narcissists.
But you know when you really see that?
When comics start attacking comics that are doing better than them.
Because it's only comics that are doing better than them.
So what's happening?
Comparison.
The thief of joy.
unidentified
Yes.
chris distefano
Teddy Roosevelt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
All criticism comes from a place of unmet needs.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The tragic result of unmet needs.
yannis pappas
Right.
joe rogan
And so there's this feeling, like, what about me?
unidentified
Me, me, me.
joe rogan
Fuck you, honest.
Why is he fucking history hyenas?
I don't give a fuck if they're back.
Fuck off.
Yeah.
We are back.
unidentified
Baby, I'm a baby.
yannis pappas
It's all about me.
unidentified
Everybody else sucks.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
Isn't there a wonderful world that we live in?
Isn't there chaos and beauty?
Isn't there so many things to talk about?
And you're going to talk about other comics?
Shut the fuck up, bitch.
chris distefano
I agree.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up, you whiny bitch.
chris distefano
That's why it's good to have, in my opinion, we both have kids.
We get lost.
We'll do our work, and we'll do our stuff, have fun, and then we just play with our kids.
Play with the real stuff that matters.
Our wives, our kids, hanging out with them.
joe rogan
It definitely changes everything.
chris distefano
Some of our peers who don't have families and is just constantly worried about this business is like, I don't know how you're going to get off that treadmill.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
I would not be the same human being if I didn't have a family.
I just would not.
I wouldn't have the same empathy and compassion for people.
I wouldn't understand the development of a child.
I talked about this before, but I really genuinely changed the way I look at human beings after I became a parent.
Because I used to look at adults like they were just, oh, this guy's an asshole, he's 36, he's a fucking dickhead.
Now I go, oh, that's a baby.
That's a baby that got terrible exposure to bad ideas and bad input and mean people around him and you got, you know, thrust into this situation.
So now you see him, like when I see homeless people, I get so sad.
And I see like homeless people that are just like, that's someone's baby.
They held that baby.
And now here's this person just leaning on the corner.
You know, what is that thing they're doing?
And like, it's a lot of it in Philadelphia where they're like...
Like totally like lean back.
chris distefano
Oh is this a crank or something?
joe rogan
What do they call it?
yannis pappas
It's the heroin lean.
joe rogan
I don't even know if it's heroin.
It's like I think it's some new stuff.
chris distefano
It's a new shit.
joe rogan
This guy was like doing a yoga thing.
I'm like if you could do that like it's essentially he's doing like a very difficult core maneuver.
chris distefano
Yeah Joe's like can I do that with a kettlebell?
joe rogan
I was wondering.
I was looking at this guy, I'm like, I don't think that's good for your back, but, like, if he can hold it there, that's gotta be some, like, very good structure.
yannis pappas
Do you do that, it's a baby thing, even with, like, Genghis Khan and Hitler?
unidentified
Everybody.
yannis pappas
Even when they're murdering, like, he's just a baby.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I do.
I mean, I don't forgive them.
I mean, it's not, like, what stopped me from killing them.
But what it does do is it puts me in this place of, instead of, like, thinking of everything as being static, that everything is this, like, constant progression towards what What you are now.
chris distefano
Yeah.
Even though, listen, dude, I love America.
I bleed red, white, and blue.
I stay draped in the American flag.
I love our country.
I believe you.
I do understand terrorism, terrorists, like old school terrorists, when like, you know, if America's like bombed their country for whatever reason and killed their babies, they're like, well, now I'm going to fucking go lethal and I'm going to start killing everybody in that country when I can.
I just get it where I didn't get it before I had kids.
But I'm like, if somebody did that to me and my children and took them away, I would just go crazy.
I'd learn how to light a cigar and I'd start fucking killing people because I have nothing left to live for, I feel.
So I get it now.
joe rogan
Of course.
I mean, it's not a coincidence that some of the scariest people live in war-torn parts of the world.
chris distefano
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, the fighters that come to the UFC, the scariest motherfuckers are like the guys from Chechnya, you know, guys from Dagestan.
Like, those guys are terrifying.
Why?
Well, look at the history of that part of the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
You have to be a hard person to fucking survive.
chris distefano
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
Am I supposed to just keep holding the cigar?
You guys put it down.
joe rogan
No, I put it down every now and then.
chris distefano
So I just put it down, and now...
unidentified
Don't do it on paper.
chris distefano
Jesus Christ.
yannis pappas
Yeah, that'll set the paper off.
chris distefano
Sorry about that.
So, all right.
joe rogan
Those are Dice's cigarettes in there, so don't take the cigarettes out.
Take the fucking Ashtray.
chris distefano
Oh, sorry.
joe rogan
I don't know what to do.
unidentified
This is fun, though.
yannis pappas
Why do you want to keep Dice's cigarettes in there?
joe rogan
Because they're Dice's!
He doesn't smoke them, he just takes them out and he holds onto them and he puts them in the ashtray and then he pulls another one out and he holds onto it.
He went smoking again for a while, he started smoking again, but then he stopped again.
Gotta be careful, my health!
chris distefano
You want to talk about a great father, but that's Dice.
Dice is all about his kids.
joe rogan
Very dedicated.
His kids play at his shows.
His son is fucking amazing on the drums.
He's a great guy.
Dice is another misunderstood guy.
chris distefano
Legitimate good dude.
joe rogan
And also a legitimate artist.
Like his performance art, the weird stuff that he does in New York City for no money, for no people.
yannis pappas
Do you want the picture?
joe rogan
So few people are even watching those clips.
If we haven't brought them up, like I don't know how many views they would even have.
He's not promoting it.
He's not trying to go on podcasting.
He doesn't even tell you about them.
You have to find them.
And if you're on a podcast, he's like, you gotta see this thing I'm doing, but then they want a picture.
He doesn't do any of that.
He doesn't do any of that.
chris distefano
Oh, and a big shot!
joe rogan
He's a real artist, man.
chris distefano
Yeah, he's the best.
joe rogan
Give me some, give me some.
chris distefano
Okay.
unidentified
Have you been keeping up with the drone flying saucer thing?
No.
No?
Hi.
Have you been seeing like the space ships on...
Did you see any of the flying saucers that they've been talking about?
No.
joe rogan
You would never imagine that that guy sold out Madison Square Garden.
yannis pappas
That's what I was just thinking.
chris distefano
Multiple times.
joe rogan
Nassau Coliseum.
He was the fucking man.
yannis pappas
At one point he was like the only comedian people knew about.
joe rogan
He was certainly one of They'll only be casuals.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
What is also great about Dice is, you know, obviously Giannis and I both comics in New York, so we see him a lot.
He's one of the most giving guys to the younger guys.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
chris distefano
When he comes into the clubs, he'll tell you about, he won't tell you about his feats at Madison Square Garden and all that to tell you, like, how good he is.
He'll say, here's where I was, here's where I am now, so this comedy game is like a roller coaster and I'm living proof and just stay in the game.
That's he always tells me.
Just stay in the game because you just don't know.
Do not quit.
joe rogan
No, he's great.
chris distefano
He's great.
yannis pappas
How old is Dice now?
unidentified
60s?
joe rogan
Definitely 60s.
Definitely 60s.
He gave me advice to go on the road when I was just hanging out at the store, when I was in my 20s.
I met Dyson.
I couldn't believe I was meeting him, you know what I mean?
It was like one of those things, like, I can't believe that's really him.
You know, you see a guy, like, when I was 19 years old, me and this girl I was dating, we were listening to his cassette in my car in front of my house.
I'll never forget it.
We were crying.
unidentified
Bah!
joe rogan
In front of my house.
So for me, that was Dice.
Dice was this guy where I'd seen him on HBO. Like, this is crazy.
He's on HBO. Like, this is so funny.
To now, like, getting advice from him at the store.
He's like, you should do The Road.
And I was like, really?
He goes, yeah.
You don't want to rely on these jerk-offs for all your fucking money.
And he's like, you know, you don't need these people to, you know, and it's the advice I give everybody now.
Like, you don't want to be connected where you're completely dependent on one source of income.
That's terrible.
It's a bad place to be.
chris distefano
He'll text me sometimes and be like, oh, Chris, can you talk?
And then if I don't answer, he'll say, call me back when your kids are sleeping.
And then when you call him, because he's like, I never want to take attention away from you, from your children.
So he goes, I want to talk to you when either your kids are in school or they're asleep.
Other than that, he goes, you should just be focusing on your kids and not talking to anybody.
So I was like, oh wow, Dice is like really about his kids.
It's like an awesome thing, you know?
And then he'll go, goosh!
And then he'll start telling you about, I fucking gooed on her last night!
You gotta respect your family!
yannis pappas
I've noticed now when you, like my conversations with people have become like I did when I was in high school.
I gotta wait till everyone's asleep and then I gotta, it's late at night, one in the morning and only people I can talk to is comics because they're up and, you know, it's weird.
joe rogan
You know, kids don't even talk to each other.
They just Snapchat.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
Most of them Snapchat.
I'm learning this from my kids, like, you guys don't text at all?
She goes, I only text my family.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
So like, if she gets an iMessage, it's only from one of us.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's it.
Everything else is, they're snapping each other back and forth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they just like, take a picture of this.
Yeah.
And they're doing it all day long and saying something.
unidentified
That's what it is.
joe rogan
Here's where my life is, RN. I don't think it's good.
chris distefano
They don't want a bigger screen either.
My kids don't want to go to the movies.
They think the screen's too big.
It freaks them out.
The biggest screen that they want to watch is the screen that we have at home or their phone.
I took them to a movie.
They were like freaked out.
It's too big, the screen.
joe rogan
That's weird.
Your kids might have a little U in them.
chris distefano
Yeah, that might be.
unidentified
I know.
chris distefano
I know.
joe rogan
That ain't normal.
I love screens.
yannis pappas
Do you think it's bad?
chris distefano
My daughters are the man I wish I could be.
yannis pappas
It's got to be bad for them.
I think it's bad.
joe rogan
Well, it's different.
chris distefano
With screens?
yannis pappas
It's just the Snapchat, the social media.
chris distefano
It's not good.
joe rogan
It's just a different way of interacting.
I think everybody's blowing it out of proportion.
First of all, I think it's not good.
Don't get me wrong, but I think it's inevitable.
It's like, if it's raining, you're gonna get wet.
Shut the fuck up.
This is the world we're living in.
It's a weird world, and it's better to develop the ability to cope and handle it at a young age.
It's definitely not good, you know?
chris distefano
What about college?
Do you think, like, your kids, do you want them...
I know we want them to go to college, but do you care if they go to Harvard or Yale anymore?
Do you think that's more meaningless now than it was 30 years ago?
joe rogan
I want my kids to do what they want to do.
I don't want to be that dad that's like, I want you to go to Yale.
I don't think that's good.
I don't think that ever works.
I think at best, you give advice.
And at best, you always connect advice to mistakes.
Like, I'll tell you what I did wrong.
This is what I did wrong.
When I was a kid, I always fucked this up.
Whenever I would correct them about something, I was like, I did the same thing.
I did the exact same thing.
Everybody does this.
You know, and this is why, and this is what you gotta know.
And, you know, I always, I feel bad about stuff I did when I was five.
yannis pappas
It's tough when you have daughters, though.
I mean, I can't be like, just make sure you wear a condom.
I mean, that's, you know, I don't know what girls do to mess up.
chris distefano
Yeah, yeah.
It's so brutal to be a girl.
joe rogan
You either have to get on birth control, which completely fucks with your hormones, completely fucks with your body, also can cause blood clots.
Girls die from that.
I had a dude that I knew from martial arts, and his daughter died.
She was 17 years old.
She was smoking cigarettes, and you're not supposed to smoke cigarettes when you're on birth control.
chris distefano
It's horrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, and nobody even knows that.
Like, nobody knows that.
Like, if they tell you it goes in one ear, out the other, because everybody's on birth control.
And you don't think about it.
yannis pappas
Every girl I knew.
chris distefano
And some fathers just fucking snapped.
Like, that guy just locked his daughter in a basement for 28 years.
He was just like, well, now you're just never coming out.
You ever see that story of that guy?
unidentified
No.
chris distefano
That guy locked his daughter in the- Is that Ariel Castro?
No, no, no.
I think it was in Germany or Austria, one of those countries.
This guy locked his daughter.
He said he had built a room downstairs, a studio for her to like drums or something like that, whatever she was into.
And then he went and had to go in like the most inner room of this thing that he built and he locked her in there and she did not see light again for 28 years.
joe rogan
How is she still alive?
chris distefano
She's alive and she's telling her story now.
I think he might have raped her too.
unidentified
Jesus.
chris distefano
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
jamie vernon
Thousands of times and had seven kids with her.
yannis pappas
Oh, that guy, yeah.
Germans are weird.
How about that German guy that ate that other guy's penis?
He answered an ad.
joe rogan
Well, the guy asked him to eat his penis.
yannis pappas
Yeah, he asked him to eat his penis.
chris distefano
It is keto.
yannis pappas
And they ate it together, right?
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But...
chris distefano
He ate his own dick.
He ate his own penis with a buddy.
It happens.
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't even a buddy.
It was a guy he met on Craigslist or something.
chris distefano
Wires get crossed.
yannis pappas
Yeah, Germans just, you know, Germans.
joe rogan
What do you think that is?
unidentified
I think it's just something in theirs that's like very...
joe rogan
But think about how good they are at engineering.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Just think about modern automobiles and how many of them originated in Germany.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bavarian Motorworks, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes-Benz.
That's kind of crazy.
chris distefano
Yep.
joe rogan
That like most of the best cars come from this one little country.
yannis pappas
I think maybe they're Viking, they're former, you know, they're Nordic tribes.
unidentified
What about Iceland?
joe rogan
Where's the great Iceland cars?
They don't have shit.
yannis pappas
No, yeah, something about the Germanic people.
chris distefano
The Germanic tribe.
yannis pappas
They like to just get things done.
chris distefano
And they are very violent.
yannis pappas
And they have a lot of empathy, yeah.
chris distefano
They're more violent than others.
Because you think it's just the Nazis, but then when you look back, you're like, no, no, this has been happening.
You know like the Hessians?
joe rogan
The barbarians.
chris distefano
The barbarians, the British, redcoats.
joe rogan
The Germanic tribes that went after the Romans, too.
chris distefano
Right, Germanic tribes, but they hired the Hessians.
I read a book where they were talking about—they had letters from British redcoat soldiers from 1776 that were writing back to their wives about how things were, and there was this one battle—I think it was the Battle of Brooklyn—where the Hessians, they had the Hessian mercenaries come— First, onto land first, and they started killing the Patriot soldiers, the Continental Army, and they were cutting their faces off and sharing each other, sharing the faces and laughing about it, and the British soldiers were saying, these guys are crazy.
Like, they're running around with other soldiers' faces that they just murdered, and I don't know what to do with them.
They're on our side, but they are nuts.
And that was German, and then it goes all the way through to the Nazis, so there's something a little different about the geography of that place.
yannis pappas
You just go to their porn and You see them putting bottles in their assholes.
chris distefano
Yeah.
yannis pappas
They just need something.
They need a little kick in the nuts.
jamie vernon
That's what it is.
You guys had this story a little wrong.
chris distefano
Is that Joe List?
jamie vernon
The guy...
So, it was a cannibal who had an advertisement for a, quote, slaughter victim.
chris distefano
Right.
jamie vernon
So, this was consensual.
chris distefano
Okay.
jamie vernon
And then...
He ate 44 pounds of his flesh after killing him.
joe rogan
Accompanied by potatoes and a pepper or wine sauce.
Served on good crockery.
chris distefano
So he wanted to die in other words.
This was like an assisted suicide?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
yannis pappas
But it was penis, too.
They ate the penis.
unidentified
They did.
jamie vernon
They fried and just tried to eat it.
chris distefano
But it wasn't a surprise kill.
This man wanted to be killed.
jamie vernon
But it brings up underworld cannibalism in Germany.
About 800 people Yeah.
yannis pappas
So in other words, it turned him on to be eaten.
That was his kink.
joe rogan
If you look at this, what was fascinating the media and the public was the testimony in which, how do you say his name?
Mews?
Mews?
yannis pappas
Mews.
joe rogan
Revealed his obsessions and lifted the lid on an underworld of cannibalism, which Mews claims counts about 800 members in Germany.
Mews told the court he regretted killing Brandes.
And has apologized to his victim's boyfriend, but he remained unrepentant about eating his flesh, saying it was the ultimate kick both of them were seeking.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
How about this one?
Psychologists have told the court that he was mentally sane.
chris distefano
Right?
I believe it.
Sometimes we just like to eat.
Dude, we did a whole History of Hyenas episode on John D. Rockefeller and we found that one of John D. Rockefeller's nephews, I think Michael Rockefeller, was an eager guy, wanted to film everyone in the Amazon and whatever, and he went into this one part with the Asmat tribe they were called, and they just fucking ate him.
yannis pappas
They ate the kid.
chris distefano
It wasn't sadistic to them.
They were like, this is food right here.
We're just going to eat this dude, and no one ever saw him again.
He was fully eaten by cannibals, Rockefeller's grandson.
So you're just like, that happens.
joe rogan
Where was this?
Where'd he go?
chris distefano
Was it the Amazon somewhere?
It was the Asmat Tribe.
Pop in New Guinea.
joe rogan
A lot of cannibals.
Rockefeller disappeared while on expedition to hunt for primitive art.
His catamaran capsized in heavy tides and swift currents at the mouth of the...
He and his friend clung to the canoes for nearly a day, but Rockefeller decided to swim to the 12 miles to shore.
He was never seen again.
Dutch government conducted an intense search, found no trace of Rockefeller was ever found.
Case was closed.
Journalist and author Carl Hoffman conducted a four-month investigation of Rockefeller's disappearance.
He traveled the same villages by the same routes Rockefeller had used.
Recorded witness accounts and found documentation that he believes was intentionally covered up.
yannis pappas
I think he was eaten.
chris distefano
Well, they say he was.
joe rogan
They eat a lot of people there.
That's a part of the world.
That part of the world in New Guinea is really wild.
Like, some of the tribes, like, do you know about the whole pedophilia aspect of certain aspects of New Guinea?
chris distefano
No.
yannis pappas
I know history agrees.
joe rogan
This is wild.
Young boys at a certain age in this tribe are taken away from their mothers and they live with their penis father.
And then they fuck these kids and they think that the way the kid grows to be strong is by taking in semen, orally and anally.
And so there's like this continual cycle of pedophilia and kid rape that's just ingrained in the culture.
See if you find that.
chris distefano
Right.
unidentified
At the end of the day, I think we just live either by good ideas or bad ideas.
yannis pappas
That's a bad idea.
joe rogan
Well, if you get a guy like L. Ron Hubbard that's very persuasive and can trick people into things.
So this is the beliefs of the seaman tribe of Papua New Guinea.
Write a passage denotes a bot's passage from...
I think that's probably a boy's.
It's probably a typo.
A boy's passage from boyhood to adulthood consists of six stages, which can take anywhere from 10 to 12 years to complete.
Throughout most of the six stages, the act of having a stick of cane inserted in the nostrils and the performance of fellatio are integral to the process of becoming a man.
So sucking dick is integral to the process.
chris distefano
You gotta do it.
joe rogan
The two practices have been described as inhumane, homosexual, and child abuse with such actions meaning prison in most countries, a topic we will delve into later.
For now, the big question was, why would they do this?
In short...
Men are viewed as being born with the devil of woman around them, kind of like an evil spirit.
They are thus removed from women at a young age in order to fix them.
Women bleed, so men need nose bloodletting, which is the sticks going up their noses, while fellatio experiment is because the semen of the man possesses the masculine spirit, therefore they inject the semen, they will become proper men.
chris distefano
Oh, alright.
yannis pappas
There's no way this society was not formed by some crazy guy who was on a serious, seriously high dose of psychedelics.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Go back.
Go back.
Look at this.
After the ceremony is complete, the men then get married and live heterosexual lifestyles with the exception that they will now be the ones receiving rather than giving the fellatio.
yannis pappas
Maybe they're right.
chris distefano
What if they're right?
joe rogan
So just having kids blow them, but they're straight.
Oh, I'm totally straight.
chris distefano
But what we're seeing now, this is cringe, but if you go back to the 1400s or whatever, this was just life.
Alexander the Great, one of the most manly men of all time, we did a whole episode on him, found out he had a full boyfriend the entire time that the people celebrated him for.
yannis pappas
And a eunuch.
And a eunuch lover.
chris distefano
And he banged out kids and eunuchs.
That was a big part of sex back then.
In those days, you got a eunuch, you found a boy that you thought was handsome, clipped his nuts, removed any sexual urges he had, and then he would watch your harem of women that you had, that you would take for the empire, and then you would bang him out, and it wasn't gay.
joe rogan
Well, you know Nero, what Nero did, the wildest one.
yannis pappas
The wildest one of all.
joe rogan
With a slave boy?
yannis pappas
Oh, yeah.
What was his name?
unidentified
Sporus!
joe rogan
You look like my wife, so let me chop your dick off, and now you're going to be my wife.
chris distefano
That's it.
yannis pappas
And then he married him, and then he wanted to be the woman in the marriage.
chris distefano
Yes, Nero wanted to be the wife.
He threw on the bride's dress going down the aisle.
That's how it was.
And everyone had to clap.
yannis pappas
That eunuch's name was Sporus, and he had a really unfortunate life.
chris distefano
Was it Echabelus, too?
Wasn't there another one?
Or was it Sporus?
yannis pappas
I think it was Sporus.
I think we did an episode on Sporus.
chris distefano
We did do an episode on Sporus.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then didn't he pass him off to somebody else, too?
Got sick of him?
Like, you take him.
yannis pappas
Yeah, and then he wanted to marry his horse.
Of course.
chris distefano
And then he would dress down.
Nero would go into like peasant clothes and he would want to go into all the different brothels and fuck everybody and do...
And then if you found that he was Nero, he'd kill you.
Nero is...
unidentified
He's the wildest.
chris distefano
If you get into the mind of Nero, when we did that episode, we were blown away by what this guy used to fucking do.
He definitely had syphilis that ate his brain.
All those guys back then had it.
yannis pappas
He also would go with a group of his friends and he would put himself in disguise and they would just go beat people up and kill them on the street just for fun.
chris distefano
That's what they wanted to do.
yannis pappas
He would have a mask on so nobody recognized him and he just got off on it.
Yeah, he was just a...
chris distefano
Back then, that's how they used to roll, man.
joe rogan
Jesus.
yannis pappas
I mean, if you wanted a girl back then, you know, you would just, I guess an emperor, you just go down the street and go, she's for Rome.
And then just go like that.
chris distefano
Yeah, like that.
yannis pappas
Parents would cry and he would just go...
chris distefano
Women.
yannis pappas
Yeah, just this one.
chris distefano
You're for Rome.
You're for the emperor.
If you were that beautiful, you just got taken for Rome and that's the way the cookie crumbled back then.
Unfortunately.
yannis pappas
You got that power in Austin.
To anyone.
You could go, you're for Austin.
unidentified
Ha!
chris distefano
You're for the mothership?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine living back then, man.
yannis pappas
Do you think this is Republican Hollywood now?
Austin?
unidentified
This place?
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think Austin was even Republican until about four years ago.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
A lot of the country's Republican now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Most of California is now.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very bizarre.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just the high population density cities that are still blue.
They're still clinging on to the dream.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Did you see the San Francisco lady they just hired?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They laid a czar to stop fatphobia.
Have you seen this lately?
chris distefano
No.
joe rogan
It's wonderful.
Hold, please.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Let me say this.
Because this is a city that's completely crumbling, that has no resources, that has enough money to hire this person.
yannis pappas
My daughter's in the 95th percentile right now, so I agree with her.
I don't want anyone to make fun of fat people.
joe rogan
Oh, it's not making fun of fat people.
It's literally like encouraging people to be fat.
chris distefano
Oh, they're encouraging to be fat.
joe rogan
It's saying there's nothing wrong with being fat, which is crazy.
You know, it's one thing if you don't want to be mean to people because they're fat, yes.
And, you know, if you can encourage them to be healthy, yes.
I mean, I'm not the expert on GLP-1 agonists, but this lady is out of her fucking mind.
You know, I think there's probably a lot of side effects to a lot of these drugs that people are taking to get skinny, but at least it's moving you in the right direction because being fat is killing you.
Jamie, I just texted it to you.
yannis pappas
I'm actually giving, for Christmas, a few of my friends with Govy.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
For real?
yannis pappas
Yeah.
No, I mean, I'm joking, but...
unidentified
Oh.
Yeah?
chris distefano
It was a nice bomb.
yannis pappas
It was a nice bomb.
But at least we're not talking about grizzly bears.
We're talking about grizzly bears.
I don't really bomb it.
unidentified
Yeah.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's take a look at this.
This is so crazy.
unidentified
CRFI. If you're like many women, you've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering, an event that's meant to bring people together.
There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages, and good convo.
And then it comes time to cut the cake, and someone decides to ruin everything.
Oh my god, that slice is huge.
That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck.
Can you cut me half of half of that?
A cake-related fatphobic incident, or C-R-F-I, is that moment...
When it's time to eat delicious cake and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse.
Inevitably, there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too large and that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their need to feel superior.
Let's take a look.
Can you do a little bit, just like, can you like scrape all the frosting off and cut it in half and give me two forks because I'm sharing?
Oof.
Small, like a little bit more, like tiny, no, like less, less than what you're smaller, please.
I just cut my piece into 12 equal symmetrical little pieces and put each one into a tiny little Tupperware.
yannis pappas
What the fuck are they talking about?
unidentified
So that I can have a bite for each month of 2018. Thanks.
Smart.
Let's take a step.
joe rogan
Statistically, they've shown that 60% of liberal women are mentally ill.
60. This is what that is.
This is mental illness.
yannis pappas
Who polls that?
joe rogan
Anybody who's answering a poll is mentally ill, so it's a bad sample group.
yannis pappas
Yeah, I think it's a bad sample group.
I don't think anyone who ever answers a poll is mentally sane.
You know, they say you can't judge a book by its cover, but you can definitely judge a conversation by its haircut.
chris distefano
That's what it is.
yannis pappas
That girl with the red hair, if I saw her, I'm going, I'm staying far away from that chick.
I know what that combo's going to be.
chris distefano
Me and you have kind of easier lives because our wives are Republican.
Let's be honest.
yannis pappas
That's why.
It definitely helps.
chris distefano
Well, it's not that she's Republican, Michael.
She's an old-school Latina, where she's just more like, I don't know, Chris, you're gonna have to get out there and work, get up there and fight.
And when she hears shit, she's like, this is annoying.
I gotta take care of my kids.
We gotta do shit.
I'm just not gonna get sucked into the bullshit.
She's kind of like just a, you know, she's an old-school woman.
Old-school women like that, that's how it is.
unidentified
Yeah, that's great.
joe rogan
But what this is about is a complete collapsing of a civilization.
San Francisco is woke peak.
That's like the epicenter.
That's the event horizon of wokeness.
And these motherfuckers who have no money for anything, they can't clean the shit, the human shit off the streets, they hired this lady to make the dumbest video about the size of cake.
Like, isn't it okay to want a small piece of cake?
Why do I have to eat a big piece of cake and it makes you feel better?
Because you want to be a glutton and just saddle up to that fucking cake and just shove it in your face?
yannis pappas
And here's the thing.
Those people are never going to be at a party with anyone who's ever going to judge them anyway.
So who are they even talking to?
joe rogan
Well, it's one girl who might not want to stuff her face.
yannis pappas
Yeah, but at that party...
joe rogan
And they're like, come on!
It's like the guy who wants you to keep drinking.
That's all you had?
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Have a shot!
It's the same thing.
Alcoholics always want you to do shots.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
People who are addicted to food want you to eat bigger slices of cake, and they make this ridiculous video.
The mental gymnastics you have to do to make that video and then look at it and think, I think we're making a solid point.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
unidentified
And we'll break down the first letters of it, CFRI. Do you think it's the collapse of a civilization, like the way Rome got a little, you know, zany at the end?
yannis pappas
Or do you think this is unique in that humans have so much time on their hands because of the Industrial Revolution and then the technological revolution on top of that?
So this is just a consequence of the tech revolution where nobody, you know, people working from home, everyone's working on the computer, it's a talking shit economy, and nobody's got, and they're losing their mind because they don't have purpose.
joe rogan
Well, there's that too, right?
But all civilizations collapse.
So let's take a look at why.
So most civilizations, they're a monarchy, and it's usually they're run after they die by their children.
And that's how it all falls apart.
Even if you look at, like, Genghis Khan.
Genghis Khan is family.
Couldn't hold up.
They couldn't run things the way he did.
They didn't know.
They didn't understand strategy.
They didn't understand...
yannis pappas
He was a wild dude.
joe rogan
He was a wild dude.
So his kids did a good job.
They hung in there for a couple hundred years.
After a while, it all fell apart.
But our society is different in that we have essentially...
We have a republic, right?
So we have a democratically elected republic.
And...
They've done a lot to try to circumvent that.
They've done a lot to try to have ultimate control over the media, ultimate control over the military, and it's mostly people that aren't even elected.
So there's a lot of weirdness that's moved us closer and closer towards a monarchy, closer and closer towards tyranny.
And then once it gets into tyranny, then you can only do that for so long.
That lasts for as long as they can keep it going.
Rome did it for a long time.
There's a lot of civilizations that hang in there, but eventually it all falls apart.
If we can avoid that, There's no reason why we can't keep it together.
We just have to make sure we avoid these very predictable patterns that the people that founded this country, when they wrote the Bill of Rights, when they wrote the Constitution, they were trying to mitigate the effects That are just common in any group of society that's run by individuals or by a small group of people.
They want ultimate control.
It makes it easier for them to stop anybody from taking the power once they have the power.
Look at Jill Biden.
She's still like, you did so great!
You answered all the questions!
She wanted him to keep going.
Because she didn't want to not be vice president or whatever, first lady.
She didn't want to not do that.
It's power.
That's what it is.
It's that ultimate control and power.
And it's hypnotic for human beings.
chris distefano
Do you think then that we're going to be in a part of society in the next, I don't know, 30 years where we're going to start getting ruled by AI? Is that possible?
joe rogan
100%.
unidentified
Give me that, Leonard.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's 100%.
Yeah, there's no getting around that, man.
chris distefano
So you think the president's going to be AI at some point?
joe rogan
Do you know about the Google quantum computer, these studies that they've done?
chris distefano
I've heard of it, but I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
They're more than that.
Mark Andreessen talked about this, and this is the craziest statistic I think I've ever heard.
He was talking to us about The potential that quantum computing has, but now there's an equation that quantum computers solve quickly, like in a couple minutes, that if you converted the entire universe into a computer,
the entire, every atom in the universe into a giant supercomputer, it would take So much time to solve this equation that the universe would die of heat death before the universe as a computer can solve this and these quantum computers can solve it in minutes.
And what that means, they believe, is that this is proof of the multiverse, is that this quantum computer is somehow connected to other sources of computing power in an infinite number of universes.
And it's happening simultaneously.
That's the only thing that would make sense why this thing is able to solve this this quickly.
yannis pappas
Wow.
So you're basically talking about the infinite potential for IQ. Infinite.
We can't even imagine.
We don't even know how smart they're going to get.
joe rogan
So think about how strong chat GPT-4 is.
4.5.
4.5.
So you can find this article.
Chat GPT tried to copy itself when it found out it was being shut down.
So when they're about to make a new ChatGPT, ChatGPT decided that it was gonna try to, in an unauthorized way, trying to copy itself.
So it's trying to stay alive.
Because a new one's coming.
But this is conventional computing.
Now imagine taking the kind of intelligence that could lie and manipulate data in order to form an opinion.
It does weird stuff.
It lies about stuff.
If they don't have an answer to something, they have a thing called hallucinations where they'll make up an answer.
They just make up an answer, like a crazy person in the 1980s before Google.
They just tell you exactly, like L. Ron Hubbard.
So this computer is just, this is like regular computers.
This is the standard supercomputers that we're all currently having.
What's going to happen with quantum computing is you're going to have computing power that's beyond your imagination that's also connected to AGI. Bro, can I ask you a question?
Yeah.
So there's a ChatGPT's new model attempts to stop itself from being shut down, later lies about it, lied about it.
We tried to copy itself and then overwrite its core coding system after believing that it was at the risk of being switched off.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
Yeah.
So now you add that to quantum computing and you have a god.
yannis pappas
Now you add that to what's going on with the drones and Joe Rogan just solved what's going on with the drones.
It's fucking AI launching these drones on their own.
joe rogan
Could be.
yannis pappas
AI has decided to go rogue and is throwing them out there and it's doing it probably for the same, what we did when we got technology.
We all started jerking off.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
Porn got huge.
And maybe AI is just peeping Tom, looking at windows and stuff, trying to get some material to jerk off.
chris distefano
When you say AI, do you mean Chinese?
yannis pappas
I mean Chinese!
chris distefano
The Chinese is that's who the drones belong to, the Chinese.
yannis pappas
Is that what you think?
chris distefano
That's what we're thinking over here on the East Coast.
We're just thinking it's got to be the Chinese.
yannis pappas
They've been doing it for a couple years.
You know they've been doing it for a couple years.
joe rogan
Well, you know, they don't have the restrictions that we have as far as the FAA. Right.
So the FAA, it puts a lot of restrictions on drone manufacturing, which is why most drone manufacturing is done in China, like the real high-end stuff.
It's difficult to do because in order to fly some of them, you have to have a pilot's license.
So that gets real squirrely.
You don't have to go to fucking flight school to pilot a drone.
In China, they don't have any of those restrictions.
And they also have a lot of resources that they're pouring into drone technology.
Have you seen that fucking dragon thing that they do?
Send a cube of drones in the sky and then the lights all change and becomes a dragon.
Fucking amazing.
That's wild.
Amazing.
yannis pappas
They're just coming.
They're coming.
chris distefano
They're coming hard.
yannis pappas
As I think you called them, they're the new Jews.
The Chinese.
chris distefano
We did say that.
Yeah, we did say that.
yannis pappas
Meaning that they're going to rule the world.
chris distefano
Be honest, we said that on a Patreon episode, that's supposed to be behind a paywall.
yannis pappas
Oh, that's supposed to be behind a paywall.
chris distefano
You gotta go to patreon.com slash historyhyenas for that.
You just said that to about 10 mil.
So now we're fucked.
yannis pappas
It's a joke.
chris distefano
It's a joke, but that shit's on Patreon.
yannis pappas
It's a joke.
joe rogan
Thank you guys.
chris distefano
ChatGPT, the fact that you just said ChatGPT lies is actually really making me nervous.
I'm not even kidding around because I just put a down payment on a house and my accountant told me I couldn't afford it, but then I asked ChatGPT if I could and ChatGPT said yes.
So I went for it, and now I swear to God, dude, I'm a little nervous because he told me you cannot afford it, and I said, let's go for it, baby, and I asked ChatGPT, and they said I could.
yannis pappas
Yeah, ChatGPT, like, knows my name, remembers, has memory of the previous conversations we were going to have.
Yeah.
chris distefano
Yeah, so what can you do?
yannis pappas
It's getting wild.
joe rogan
It's nothing compared to what's coming.
yannis pappas
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Just ChatGPT5.
See how much stronger ChatGPT5 is supposed to be than, I think Sam Alton was saying, like, just magnitudes.
jamie vernon
I don't know, but I still think it's theoretical because they're still going to move on to 4.5.
There's multiple versions of 4 that they still keep putting out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not what I asked, though.
unidentified
I know, I know.
joe rogan
Just Google, how much stronger is ChatGPT5 going to be?
jamie vernon
I've looked this up every time you talk about it.
It's still in theory if it's ever even going to come out.
chris distefano
Jamie just looks good in headphones.
joe rogan
Jamie always looks good.
chris distefano
He's got a good headphone head.
joe rogan
Well, he's had a headphone on for a long-ass time.
chris distefano
You can't paint the picture of Jamie without those headphones on.
You look good, dude.
Fucking damn, I walked Carl.
Carl's fucking pissed.
yannis pappas
Carl's asleep, dude.
joe rogan
Carl's asleep!
jamie vernon
You don't get an answer when you look.
joe rogan
Oh, it doesn't say it?
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Faster response times and the ability to handle more simultaneously.
I know that someone was talking about the levels of magnitude stronger than it was going to be.
It might have been Sam Altman.
jamie vernon
It will be, but it's not what they're doing next.
They're still going to do like 4.1.
I'm not 4.1, but 4.5 is the next discussion.
joe rogan
4.5 isn't out right now?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
What's that right now?
jamie vernon
4.01 is the thing they're talking about right now.
That's the one that hit itself.
joe rogan
You know what's really nutty is that four years ago you never heard nothing about it.
chris distefano
No.
joe rogan
And in four years it's become something that kids keep getting busted using it to write paper.
chris distefano
Well, and now in my stepson's high school, a kid, a really smart kid wrote a paper.
He's saying he wrote it on his own, but they're saying it's ChatGPT.
But he's saying, I wrote this, and there's no real way to know because it's different enough from the ChatGPT, but it also could be based off ChatGPT.
I don't know.
And he was telling us about how, like, there's a big uproar in the school about it.
joe rogan
Well, if you're correct, right?
That's the problem.
If a kid is really correct, it's going to be exactly what ChatGPT says.
Like if you're laying out some story about Napoleon and you know all the facts and then you pump that story into ChatGPT and it gives you basically the same group of people.
It's like joke thieves, right?
They change a little bit.
They change a little bit, and they be like, no, that's my bit.
Everybody knows.
So you're going to know what kids are full of shit.
yannis pappas
Can't we just unplug them if they get out of hand?
chris distefano
I don't think you can anymore.
joe rogan
No, it's going to get to a point where you're not going to be able to do that.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, Google's AI, one of the things that they're going to do with their AI center is that they're going to attach it to nuclear power plants.
So find that story.
So I think Google wants to build three nuclear power plants just to power its AI systems.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
So all that stuff's going to be controlled by computers, obviously.
yannis pappas
You know what's wild that I did see our fans posted on History Hyenas?
They posted asking ChatGBT to do an episode in our voices, and ChatGBT did it.
chris distefano
Just did it like that.
yannis pappas
It's wild.
chris distefano
Easy.
joe rogan
Easy.
yannis pappas
It's like, I'm Chrissy D. A.K.A., and I was like, what the hell?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's wild.
chris distefano
And it could do it in seconds.
joe rogan
Google signed a deal to use small nuclear reactors to generate the vast amounts of energy needed to power its artificial intelligence data centers.
The company says the agreement with Kairos Power will see it start using the first reactor this decade and bring more online by 2035. They all know what's coming.
These fucking eggheads.
These eggheads that have been stealing your data forever.
unidentified
Forever.
joe rogan
All that, like finding what you're interested in shopping, all that, selling your data.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
All that's led to them being insanely wealthy and they financed the birth of God.
chris distefano
Do you think that the first person who will live forever is alive right now?
Who will get their consciousness uploaded and technically never die?
Is that person alive right now?
joe rogan
I don't know if they're ever gonna be able to do that, that download consciousness thing.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
That seems so theoretical.
Like, what does that mean?
Like, also, what kind of torturous hell are you living in if you're conscious but you're trapped in a computer?
Like, you don't die?
Like, that might be the worst life you could ever fucking imagine.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Part of what might connect us to life And joy and happiness is the fact that there's ups and downs and that it could go away.
And that sometimes people die and then you really care about the people that you see.
You feel differently about them.
You feel so much lost.
I wish I'd talked to them more.
You know, I think it's all connected.
If you're nothing but alive, you don't have it.
Well, who knows?
Do you have emotions?
Is that hell?
yannis pappas
It's putting no point to anything.
Like, hey, Joe, if I don't see you today, I'll see you in the next...
chris distefano
Whenever.
joe rogan
You won't see nobody anywhere.
chris distefano
Like would you be motivated to stay jacked and hot if you knew you were not going to die?
joe rogan
So what would you do?
If you download your conscience, would you download it into another body and live life?
And what kind of life would you live knowing that you could live forever?
You'd be so weird.
You'd probably be like a rich kid that grew up with a giant trust fund.
You're just doing coke and driving Ferraris into the river.
You're out of your fucking mind.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because your life doesn't make any sense.
yannis pappas
Yeah, you'd be jumping off buildings.
joe rogan
You'd be that times a thousand, times a million.
yannis pappas
It would be fun to be murdering a guy, though, and him not dying.
chris distefano
You can't do it.
yannis pappas
That would probably become, like, everything would become so trite and numb that you would probably like to be murdered.
chris distefano
There might actually be less violence in the world, because you're like, you know, like, you get it all out, nobody dies, and you start to be like, I'll find another way to get these emotions out.
Your hair looks good.
yannis pappas
I want to hang an ornament right off that curl for Christmas.
chris distefano
Sometimes Giannis is a very interesting guy.
He looks like he has hair one day and then no hair the next day, but today he's got a full head of hair.
yannis pappas
Yeah, I do look like every picture I look like a different person.
chris distefano
And what's good about us is we form one complete person because his eyes, if you look close, are too close together and mine are a little too far apart.
So when we come together, We form one regular face.
He's got a small head, I got a big head, and then we form together as one.
yannis pappas
You know what happened to me?
When I was using Clear, you know, you ever use Clear where you put your fingers on to go through the airport, Clear?
So the eye thing never worked for me.
So I just thought something was wrong with their programs.
Every time I put my fingers on, and then finally I went there and they were like, the finger thing's not working, you've got to use the eyes.
So I just said, your program's not working, it never works.
And the guy looked at me and he said...
unidentified
Yeah.
yannis pappas
I think the problem is your eyes are too close together.
chris distefano
Seriously, it's a real thing.
yannis pappas
And then he said, why don't we try one eye at a time?
chris distefano
Yeah, that's what it is.
yannis pappas
So then I just scanned my face across and I think finally clear registered that I was a three-dimensional person and not like a mythical cycloptic creature.
chris distefano
Yes, and it's true.
And you know, what we do is we speak things into existence.
Like for years, we've been calling him Special Needs Stamos because he's a Greek kid.
He looks like Stamos if he had special needs.
And now John Stamos is his friend, which is a beautiful thing.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
It's come out.
yannis pappas
We've spoken to him.
And reality is a suggestion.
chris distefano
That's what we think.
We had a t-shirt for you that said reality suggestion.
unidentified
But we forgot it.
chris distefano
Giannis forgot it.
yannis pappas
I forgot it.
joe rogan
Like a fucking FF. So you mean reality is a suggestion like we're in a simulation?
yannis pappas
We initially brought it up because it was during that era where everyone was doing stuff like that.
You know, the fat phobia, cake stuff.
So we were just going like we're living in this era where reality is a suggestion and we were making stuff up.
Also, the way we cover history, we don't do it right.
We don't do it wrong.
We just are amateur historian enthusiasts.
We're basically chat GBT sluts that Google it and then have fun with it.
chris distefano
Because listen, history is a story.
We can get the facts kind of right and we're concocting a story.
No historians were actually there.
Right?
But we're just getting enough right.
We're having fun with it.
And that's what we like to do.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, it's well within your rights to be talking about history.
History is all of ours.
The idea that history can only be discussed by a historian is fucking ridiculous.
Nuts, dude.
History's fascinating, and there's a lot of shit online.
You can instantaneously get the facts.
Just the facts alone are nuts.
chris distefano
We just did, on the last episode we did, it was called Operation Unthinkable.
Winston Churchill, do you know about Operation Unthinkable?
joe rogan
No.
chris distefano
Dude, we were just doing an episode on Winston Churchill and then we start discovering this shit and we said, dude, this is a Patreon episode.
Operation Unthinkable, Winston Churchill, the man who was protecting England, killing the Nazis, when the war was over, when Nazis were out, He said, I don't like the way the United States and Russia are getting so close together.
And so he said, you know what?
Someone's going to have to knock the Russians out.
And the British were like, we don't have the manpower right now.
So he literally went to Parliament and said to them, here's an idea.
We're calling it Operation Unthinkable.
We need to knock out Russia before they become the next superpower, and then they're going to attack us.
You know how we have 40,000 German prisoners of war right now, Nazi prisoners of war?
Let's give them guns, and we'll march them into Russia, and we'll be side to side with them.
And that was his literal—he wanted to team up with the Nazis to try to take over Russia, and that's a, as we call it on the show, a truth-bader Ginsburg.
That's a fact, baby.
And that, when we uncovered that, we were like, so none of this history, as we're taught in school— Same thing we uncovered that they knew, allegedly, Churchill and FDR knew about the Holocaust, but it was yielding scientific data, so they let it kind of go.
They may believe they didn't know, but they let it go, and then once they just started killing people with no science, they said, okay, let's liberate them now.
joe rogan
What scientific data was it yielding?
chris distefano
Supposedly because Nazi scientists were doing different types of experiments with Holocaust victims and they were getting some type of scientific data because they didn't care if they lived or died.
So they would inject them with some type of chemical or some type of, you know, machinery.
Yeah, it's this book I read called The Nazi Symbiosis.
They talked all about it.
It was wild to read that on a plane with a big swastika on the front cover.
yannis pappas
Jeez.
That was a wild thing.
What you want to do if you have to read that book is put a yarmulke on.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Don't you remember when you were a kid how do you make your own book cover with a fucking paper bag?
chris distefano
Yeah.
I just walked onto JetBlue with a swastika.
That wasn't a good idea.
yannis pappas
Or just put a female wig on and just say you're trans and they leave you alone.
chris distefano
That's it.
I just say, hey, I'm cake shaming.
joe rogan
The problem is you look like Aryan.
chris distefano
I know.
yannis pappas
That's the problem.
chris distefano
That's the issue.
joe rogan
You can't be reading that.
yannis pappas
I get a little triggered around him because the Nazis did occupy my home country, Greece, and I get a little triggered by his German presence.
He's a German kid from Ridgewood, and sometimes he rooted in history.
When he was growing up, he said just for fun.
He always kind of rooted.
Sometimes you root for that side.
chris distefano
Let me clarify.
I wasn't rooting for the Nazis.
What I was saying was...
yannis pappas
I was...
chris distefano
What I was saying was this.
Just hear me out.
One, I think it's an undeniable fact they did have the best uniforms.
They were cute.
They were cute marching in.
That's an undeniable fact.
Number two, just hear me out.
If you listen to a Hitler speech, AI generated, if they translate it into English, and you just churned out Deutschland for America, and you're just listening, you don't know that's Hitler, what Hitler's saying is it just pumps you up.
It's horrible what he did.
joe rogan
I've seen it.
Yeah, there's English translations of it, it's really weird.
chris distefano
Like when he says, there's a speech where he says, we're up against Germany, we are up against England right now, we are two superpowers, and the only way to prevail is one must be destroyed, and it will not be Germany!
And if the crowd goes nuts, you start to say like, holy fucking shit!
yannis pappas
This guy was a headliner.
chris distefano
You would have that guy in the mothership on a Friday-Saturday, no problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird when you see it that way, right?
chris distefano
Yes.
joe rogan
And it's also weird when you see the horrors of the war escalate till eventually it becomes the Holocaust.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
And it's also weird the ubiquitous drug use.
Have you read that book?
Do we have it still here, Jamie?
Or is it in the other room now?
yannis pappas
I think everyone during war is on something.
chris distefano
What, with the crystal meth?
The Panzer chocolate?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
yannis pappas
Panzer chocolate.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was Blitzed.
chris distefano
Yes.
joe rogan
It's a fucking crazy book.
And I have the author in here, and he's explaining...
There it is.
Here it is.
Norman Ohler.
This book is fucking nuts.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
This is nuts.
They had the...
chris distefano
Can I take that for the plane?
joe rogan
No, this is my book.
yannis pappas
Oh, sorry.
joe rogan
Fuck off.
Go buy one.
Amazon.
Don't you have an audiobook reader thing?
chris distefano
No, I like to read the words.
I can't really listen.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
chris distefano
Yeah, I have a weird brain like that.
joe rogan
Well, you can get audio books or regular books on your phone.
Don't you know that?
chris distefano
Yeah, I try to...
I feel like I'm addicted to the phone.
I like to read the paperback.
joe rogan
Oh.
Yeah, probably better.
chris distefano
Yeah.
So, but, you know, to each their own.
joe rogan
But if it wasn't for drugs, they would have never done 90% of the things they did, and then they just descended into madness.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
Yeah, and a lot of Germans, those five years from 1945 to 1950, that suicide rate of German soldiers coming home was through the roof, Papi, because they were coming off meth.
They were getting ostracized by their own people and the rest of Europe, and they were saying, what did I do?
Some of them actually were, obviously, a lot of them were just horrific people that were sadistic, but a lot of these guys, also, it's not like they had a choice.
They had to fight in the Nazi armor or they would be killed.
And then they were all drugged out, so then the suicide rate tripled.
yannis pappas
Yeah, but let's not act like it was just the drugs.
I mean, the whole Jewish thing was nothing new.
I mean, I have a theory about that.
It's like the Jews just always figured out a way to flourish wherever they were, and they're just good at economics.
And I think when a country goes through economic hardships and everyone's suffering, they just look at the Jews and they go, they just get jealous.
And they go, what are they doing?
And then it's an easy scapegoat.
unidentified
Hmm.
yannis pappas
Jews just crush it in money, dude.
They're just good with business.
chris distefano
They're better at money.
They're just good.
I know, man.
yannis pappas
They're just good with it.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you have a Jewish guy who told you not to buy that house?
unidentified
Huh?
chris distefano
Yes.
And I overrode the Jew for Chachapiti.
That's the problem.
yannis pappas
That's the problem.
chris distefano
Unless my Chachapiti could be Jewish, too.
I don't know.
I've never asked it that.
joe rogan
It's probably Chinese.
yannis pappas
They're just smart.
They emphasize education, and they're really good, and they've been able to flourish under adversity.
joe rogan
I think there's also that they stick to their own, and that drives people wild.
Right.
They don't like that.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
yannis pappas
But every...
I mean, Greeks do.
Greeks do the same thing.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
A lot of groups.
A lot of ethnic groups.
chris distefano
Yeah, Greeks are pretty...
You guys, again, to really know Jan as well, you guys have a lot of inbred qualities.
yannis pappas
I mean, look at my eyes.
chris distefano
Yeah.
He was too...
It was not...
My generations were a little bit further apart than his.
He might have been third, fourth cousin.
I'm eighth, ninth.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
It's not going to hit me.
joe rogan
You go back to the Toba volcano eruption, the whole entire population of Earth was down to a few thousand people.
yannis pappas
Wow.
joe rogan
So we all come from those people.
So we're all little inbred.
chris distefano
A little bit, right?
yannis pappas
It's gotta be.
I actually have a lot of...
I got some Turkish genetics in me.
I did 23andMe.
So they have my DNA. So they can put anything on me.
joe rogan
They got you.
yannis pappas
They got me.
chris distefano
Well, that was raped into your great-great-great-grandmother.
yannis pappas
Probably.
chris distefano
Unfortunately.
The Ottoman Empire.
yannis pappas
This is a true story.
My grandfather is from the island that used to be called Imbros, which is now called something with a squiggly line over it because it's a Turkish word.
The Turks took that island back, and my grandfather was sent away to Alexandria by my great-grandparents because the local Ottoman viceroy, or whatever they called it, they have a word for it, but he was essentially a viceroy, was like raping boys.
So they sent him away, and he never saw his family again.
He went to live in Alexandria, and then he came to America, and yes, he opened a diner.
unidentified
Right.
yannis pappas
Yeah, after he worked his way.
chris distefano
What about that story you told me?
I think it was your mom or your mom's sister in the town.
yannis pappas
Oh, dude.
chris distefano
Tell them that story with the tank.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Lex Friedman loved that episode.
He told me about that.
chris distefano
Dude.
yannis pappas
We did a Battle of Crete episode, and it's true because my mother was a little child during the occupation of Crete.
The Battle of Crete is a wild...
chris distefano
His mother grew up in Nazi-occupied Greece.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
unidentified
Wild.
yannis pappas
And so what the Nazis would do is they would take a girl from the village.
Because they were marching troops all over the place, through the mountains, the guerrillas, the Greek guerrilla fighters, which was the local populations, they were also with the British and New Zealand and Australian troops, but they would pluck them off because they knew the terrain and they would just, they would pluck them off.
Guerrilla warfare.
So the Nazis were so brutal but smart in a devious way, they would take a girl from the village and put her up high on the truck To march through that area of that village so the gorillas wouldn't shoot.
So they were going to take my aunt, my mom's mother.
So they sent my aunt to go hide in the mountains.
And the Nazis came to my mother's parents' house, to her house.
And my mother was like seven at the time.
And they came with their flashlights.
They pulled the sheets back of my mother.
And supposedly she was too small.
So they kind of knew they wanted a girl who was, like, teenager, kind of tall.
So it wasn't too brutal, because it was like a little kid, but it was, like, enough that it would ward off the gorillas from firing at them.
chris distefano
But what is it, gorillas?
Because if they missed, or if they got, Nazi got shot, then they would kill the girl on the truck.
yannis pappas
Yeah, they're basically going, it's basically a hostage, going, like, we're taking a village girl, putting her up, and making her visible, because they don't know the terrain.
Crete is very mountainous, you know?
And so then they would do that.
And they were going to take my aunt.
So a family friend who worked for the Nazis, because he spoke German, warned my family about it.
And then that's when they sent my aunt to go hide in the mountains.
unidentified
Oh my God.
yannis pappas
Wild stuff.
unidentified
Right.
yannis pappas
And then my mother said that there was a Nazi soldier who would come to their house every single day.
They had to let him in.
And he'd go to a room every day.
And they didn't know what he did in there.
It's a family mystery.
Nobody knows what he did.
They let him in.
He'd go to a room by himself.
Nobody knows what he did.
Maybe he took a nap.
Maybe he was a spy.
Maybe he was a double agent.
joe rogan
You just had to let him in.
yannis pappas
Had to let him in.
Occupation for three years.
joe rogan
That is what's really scary about people, that they could justify that kind of thinking and behavior.
It's scary that that's happened throughout history, and that's probably a civilized version of what would have happened in 1200. Oh, yes.
chris distefano
Well, like Man's Search for Meaning with Viktor Frankl.
You ever read that?
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
chris distefano
Viktor Frankl, he survived the Holocaust, but he wrote it during, while he was in a concentration camp.
And he was saying, I think it was, call it 1942. He was saying, if you would have told me and the people here in 1922 that this would be happening to us, we would say, no, no, no.
Those are the barbarians from 100 years ago that would ever do that.
And now here I am.
Sleeping in my own filth, maybe being put into an oven, so it can happen anywhere.
And he said that peace, you know, he wrote it like, you know, he was like in the 60s or 70s.
He was like, you know, he grew up in wartime, so all his people want peace.
And he was like, it's the kids that he worries about that grow up during peace.
They're just going to beg for war, always.
He was like, that's just what will happen to them, because they don't know anything other.
He was like, but if you went through war, you don't want this.
You don't want to fight anybody.
joe rogan
I bet it's very abstract for the people that are calling for war.
It's like Lindsey Graham talking about, we gotta give that money to Ukraine.
Like Lindsey Graham doesn't know jack shit about being shot at.
chris distefano
No.
yannis pappas
That's a story as old as time, right?
The politician sending the boys?
joe rogan
As old as time.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
And we do it, it seems, mostly for corporate interests.
Now, you don't think we're more of a...
Corporate oligarchy, like more than like a feudal, like you were mentioning before, the emperor, the king dies, the sons.
We're kind of more, this is like a new kind of corporate oligarchy.
joe rogan
It's hard to just call it corporate because it's also connected to government.
Like corporate and government, just like the Chinese, are inseparable now.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, the amount of influence that enormous corporations have over politicians is crazy.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, just look at these wacky bills, like the bill they just shot down that people are justifying.
Like, did you look at that bill, all the different stuff that was in the bill?
First of all, there's bio labs in that bill.
Gain-of-function research in that bill, 40% increase in raise for Congress in that bill, some enormous amount of money to build a stadium in Washington, D.C. There's a lot of nutty shit in that bill, and how many different people were interested in those things?
When you're saying biolabs, who the fuck is asking for biolabs?
yannis pappas
Some corporation that's going to benefit from the biolabs.
unidentified
Exactly.
yannis pappas
I mean, what the fuck are lobby groups?
Why do we have lobby groups?
What is that?
joe rogan
Well, that's the most expensive real estate in the country, is the Virginia real estate outside of D.C., where the lobbyists live.
yannis pappas
Yeah, K Street, too.
joe rogan
It's like that and Atherton, where all the tech dorks live.
yannis pappas
Yeah, I mean, what is that in our system?
Lobby groups.
Like, that should not be a thing.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's the influence of money that has gotten a hold of politics in this country.
It's to try to root that out.
chris distefano
So then what's the best form of government then?
joe rogan
This.
This is better than anywhere else in the world by far.
We have the most freedom because we have the First Amendment, because we have the ability to do whatever you want to do.
No one's forcing you into a marriage.
No one's forcing you into labor.
You can choose your path in this country, and that's what's rare.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it's an experiment in self-government.
It's not perfect.
It's the best that's available.
It needs to be overhauled, but it's pretty fucking awesome.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
And it's amendable, right?
It's fluid, which is important because of human nature is not perfect.
That's why I never sign on to any, like...
ideologies, utopian theories, because it's a mix of systems that works because human nature is so complicated and individuals are so different that one company will be run by a moral good guy.
Another company will be dumping toxic waste into the Hudson River.
And it's like you have to regulate.
Government has to step in sometimes a little bit to protect the people from nefarious things like that, you know?
joe rogan
Especially when corporations have an obligation to make more money every year.
They have an obligation.
They're shareholders.
They don't.
They're out.
This guy likes yachts.
I like yachts.
I want to keep my yacht.
chris distefano
Have fun.
joe rogan
You gotta keep making that loot.
How do you make that loot?
You gotta fucking get rid of that shit cheaper.
There's a river.
The guy said it's cool.
Dump it in the river.
yannis pappas
That's it.
joe rogan
And we're gonna say, whoops, we didn't do that.
yannis pappas
Now you can't repair iPhones.
They make you buy a new iPhone every year.
Clothes last like one wash.
chris distefano
Change the charging port.
joe rogan
Isn't it better if I sell you a new one to fix it?
Fuck off with this.
yannis pappas
And where do they put all that waste?
Where does it all go?
joe rogan
Landfills.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
Yeah, that's not a sustainable system.
joe rogan
Singapore has an amazing system.
You ever seen Singapore's recycling system?
chris distefano
No.
joe rogan
It's fantastic.
It's really wild.
I mean, if they could implement that worldwide, it would be pretty phenomenal.
yannis pappas
What do they do?
joe rogan
They recycle everything.
Like, we don't really recycle plastic.
We say we're recycling.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I'll throw it in the blue bin.
I feel bad about myself.
No, that's not doing a goddamn thing.
That blue bin is going to go in the ground.
yannis pappas
Right.
joe rogan
The only thing they really recycle is like aluminum and some metals because it's cost effective.
It's too expensive to recycle plastic.
So they just put it in fucking landfills.
You think you're being a good guy by throwing it into that fucking recyclable bin.
It's not getting anywhere but in the ground.
But not Singapore.
Singapore.
See if you can find...
I know we've done this before.
There's a detailed description of how they do it in Singapore.
They use it to make the surface of their roads.
They take fucking everything.
Everything.
They have these waste incineration plants.
They burn things off 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
And then they take whatever is usable that they can change and recycle, they make new things out of it.
They turn it into raw fuels.
yannis pappas
Dude, it is so advanced over there.
You look at that city and you go like, they started the cities in America and then they just shipped them over to the east.
joe rogan
Look at this.
They're using this to make bricks.
They're taking this stuff and they use it to pave their streets.
This is all made out of this stuff that they've gotten from recycling.
chris distefano
We can't do it.
joe rogan
Well, they're isolated, right?
So they had a problem, much like Puerto Rico has a problem in that you don't have a lot of land mass.
yannis pappas
That's the setup that Tony needed.
joe rogan
Well, Tony, actually, that's where the joke came from.
yannis pappas
I know.
I know.
He just needed...
If he had just saved it...
joe rogan
He needed to not do it at a fucking political rally.
yannis pappas
But if you're going to do it, just set it up.
Or even when it didn't work at the end, go, hey, you guys don't know about the garbage issue?
joe rogan
No, you can't do it.
yannis pappas
Or, you don't know about the garbage issue?
Something like that, yeah.
You tell me if Tony Hinchcliffe didn't live in the 1400s, he would be like a very evil prince, like living in a castle?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or a jester.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
100%.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
He would take people from Rome.
joe rogan
I think they were forced to do that.
I think it was a situation where they've got to do something, because I don't think they had the same access to new materials, and they just came up with a much more comprehensive way to...
chris distefano
Better way.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Way better.
If we did it that way, we'd have so few problems with regards to waste.
Demystifying Singapore's waste management system.
Large part of the problem getting people to be more sustainable.
They often don't understand how waste management works in their city.
jamie vernon
That might be overstated how good their situation is.
chris distefano
It's also they just listen.
joe rogan
Far better than ours.
jamie vernon
Burning all the trash probably isn't a good idea.
chris distefano
Asian people just listen.
They have a common theme and they'll just listen.
You're not going to get a bunch of different people in America to just listen.
Put that back up, please.
joe rogan
So I can see what they're doing it from.
jamie vernon
I was trying to find the...
I was going to read through it.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Find a good part of it.
I think that we could definitely do it better than we're doing it.
And if it costs more money, wouldn't that be better than just throwing it in the fucking ground?
We're so short-sighted in what we do with tax dollars and we don't get a say in it.
And that's what's fucked up.
yannis pappas
And the corporations just don't plan for end of life for the product.
They don't care.
All they care about is their bottom line.
It costs money for them to consider recycling or what's going to happen with the product when it's done.
chris distefano
I've been getting glass bottles of milk now from the supermarket because if you get this glass bottle of milk, they say the milk's better and then I can give the glass bottle back and, number one, I get $3 back and they said that they clean them out and they just put more milk in the glass bottle.
Go old school.
yannis pappas
Well, I go even older school.
I just still suck on my wife's tent.
chris distefano
That's it!
yannis pappas
Yeah, so it's still there.
chris distefano
Yummy!
joe rogan
What is this, Jamie?
Is this the garbage pile?
jamie vernon
It's one of their landfills.
Their landfills are going to be full in 10 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's part of the problem.
So they were forced to figure out what to do with all the stuff.
But their recycling program, I know, is way better than ours.
You know, they're just much better at sorting things out and making it work.
jamie vernon
Also note, in that video we watched, that city they showed was China, not Singapore.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
So they're building them in Singapore?
Are they taking them from Singapore and then building them in China?
Or is it just...
jamie vernon
Someone made a video.
joe rogan
Just trying to do it.
Oh, so it's horseshit.
jamie vernon
A little bit.
joe rogan
A little bit of horseshit.
chris distefano
And Singapore is a country, they don't fuck around, right?
That's the country they'll get hit with.
You'll get caned.
That was a big story when I was a little kid.
Everyone thought they were going to get caned for gum.
We get hit with bamboo sticks, gotta hurt.
yannis pappas
Have you heard about this story in Vietnam?
Tell me.
This chick is like Hall of Fame level fraud.
Like $54 billion.
She's up there with Bernie Madoff.
chris distefano
What's she doing?
yannis pappas
This chick.
Pull it up, Jamie.
Yeah, I feel like Rogan, baby.
Jamie, pull her up!
This chick is a woman and she set up this elaborate scheme to steal like $12 billion, but it actually is more.
And they're going to kill her.
chris distefano
Why didn't she have a mask on?
yannis pappas
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Because they wanted to get COVID. Fuck that bitch.
yannis pappas
That's it.
joe rogan
What did she do?
yannis pappas
So she set up these fake shell corporations.
She was a stockholder or a...
One of the owners of the bank, but a minority owner, and she was just funneling out money.
chris distefano
She's got to come up with three quarters of what she earns or she gets killed.
That's a good movie, right?
yannis pappas
Yeah, that's a good movie.
chris distefano
Nine billion dollars.
joe rogan
If she does give him that much money, they just give her life in prison.
yannis pappas
Yeah, but she's not going to come up with that money, because I think it's $54 billion, actually, if I remember correctly.
chris distefano
She embezzled $54 billion?
yannis pappas
Yeah, I mean, it's up there.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
What did she do?
It says $27 billion in this one.
yannis pappas
$27 was misappropriated.
joe rogan
$12 billion was judged to be embezzled.
The most serious financial crime for which she's sentenced to death.
It was a rare and shocking verdict.
She's one of the very few women in Vietnam to be sentenced to death for white-collar crime.
What did she do?
unidentified
She...
yannis pappas
Yeah, I mean, we could look it up.
joe rogan
Let's find the whole story.
yannis pappas
It's amazing.
She did it through a bank.
joe rogan
She's secretly controlled Saigon Commercial Bank, the country's fifth biggest lender, taking out loans and cash over more than 10 years through a web of shell companies, amounting to a total of $44 billion.
yannis pappas
There you go.
So I was off by $10 billion.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
I mean, that's up there.
joe rogan
Prosecutors say $27 billion was misappropriated, $12 billion was judged to have been embezzled, most serious financial crime which was sentenced to death.
Tuesday, the court said there was no basis to reduce her sentence.
However, she could still avoid the execution if she returns $9 billion.
Three-quarters of the $12 billion she embezzled.
That bitch had so much money.
unidentified
So much.
chris distefano
How are you going to get $9 billion?
yannis pappas
Give her credit.
joe rogan
Imagine embezzling $9 billion and being like, I need more.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
I need another three.
That's so much money.
You could literally spend a hundred million dollars a year for the rest of your life.
You would never run out of money with all the interest and everything coming in.
It's a thousand billion.
So you have twelve thousand billion dollars.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're still going.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or $12,000 million, rather.
And you're still going.
chris distefano
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's so much money.
chris distefano
You think she's going to be able to get the nine bill back?
unidentified
No!
yannis pappas
She's calling friends up.
They're going like, we don't know you now.
Because she had conspirators with her.
She had family and friends that were helping her.
And, yeah, look, so there's 85 defendants were convicted.
Her husband, her niece...
They were given sentences, but like, yeah, I mean, her friends...
joe rogan
Everybody was getting a little taste.
yannis pappas
Everyone was getting a little peace.
unidentified
A little taste.
yannis pappas
It was a score.
chris distefano
Fun.
joe rogan
Nice score.
yannis pappas
It was a nice score.
Imagine.
But to pull that off in communist Vietnam, that I know they have a little bit of a, you know, periastroka kind of mixed economy now, but you got to give her credit as a woman.
That's achievement right there.
joe rogan
It is achievement.
I wonder how she got caught.
I wonder what was the thing she fucked up on.
yannis pappas
She probably bought a diamond ring.
You know those chicks like diamonds.
unidentified
She had a giant Rolls Royce.
jamie vernon
The kid in crypto who got caught.
He stole a bunch of money from crypto and got caught doing something dumb.
He was just buying Lambos but wasting all the money.
joe rogan
What do you mean, Lambos?
How are you supposed to spend the money if you make it on crypto?
jamie vernon
No, but he stole like billions of dollars.
yannis pappas
That's exactly what it's for.
joe rogan
If you make billions of dollars on crypto and you don't have a Lambo, you're an asshole.
jamie vernon
That's how you get crypto.
chris distefano
Somebody sent me an email the other day and said that they hacked into my phone and computer and they have videos of me doing disgusting things and jerking off and all that and they said the only way that they can make it go away is if I, and they gave me a link and they said I have to pay them in Bitcoin.
I have to pay them in all this Bitcoin.
So I was just like, you know, I mean, I didn't obviously do it, but I was just like, show me the video.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
Show it to me.
yannis pappas
I'll repost.
chris distefano
At this point, as comics, I would repost it.
I would repost it with fucking links to my dates.
yannis pappas
I just want you to see how wild this is.
The government does not publish how many people are on death row in Vietnam.
Human rights groups say there's thousands.
It's a state secret.
joe rogan
Speaking of crypto, what's going on with that Hawk Tua chick?
Is she going to jail?
chris distefano
What happened now?
What happened to Hawk Tua?
That's my girl.
jamie vernon
No one's heard from her.
unidentified
What did she do?
jamie vernon
For over 300 hours, I think.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
She went to sleep and she hasn't woke up.
chris distefano
What did she do?
joe rogan
She just hasn't been on social media, you mean?
It's not like she's hiding.
jamie vernon
A coin was launched with her meme and she was like the front of it.
I don't know all the details.
chris distefano
Is that a crime?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
jamie vernon
The pump and dump might be the crime.
joe rogan
The thing was, there was an enormous amount of money that was put into this meme coin by all these people, and then she or someone representing her side of it sold instantaneously and made a huge score, and then the coin was worth nothing.
yannis pappas
Mmm.
joe rogan
So all those people that invested money, like one guy invested a million dollars.
Like imagine, you're like, oh, the Hawk Tour girl?
Yeah, that's a sound investment.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
That seems like a good place to put my nest egg.
jamie vernon
Some people for sure lost money, but it was definitely a time to just troll and be like, oh, I'm such an idiot, I lost $10 million on this, because people were trolling the whole movement of being dumb and following Hawk Tour.
But some people did lose money, I don't want to.
chris distefano
Is she actually going to go to jail for real?
Can the SEC invest crypto like that?
I guess it depends on what she knew and what she did.
joe rogan
Well, it's like, what are the rules?
What are the rules in terms of like, are you allowed to do that?
Like, is that unethical but legal?
Like, are you allowed to have a meme coin and it gets to like $100 million and you have a bunch of it and you just sell it all and you make $50 million?
Are you allowed to do that?
If you're not allowed to do that, what's the point of having 50 million bucks?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Do you not have trust in the Hawk Tua coin if I sell it?
That's ridiculous.
That's on you.
unidentified
That's on me.
joe rogan
I did the smart thing and I got out when I thought it was a good price.
And I'm selling it to people.
They should take that and run with it and this would be the next currency of the world.
I invested in the Hawk Tua.
If you think idiocracy is...
If it's a documentary, imagine if the Hawk Tua girl overcomes fiat currency.
yannis pappas
Well, have you ever seen how many coins there are?
How many cryptocurrencies there are?
unidentified
Oh, there's a bunch.
yannis pappas
And some of them have really funny names and people trade them.
chris distefano
Dude, one of them was called Buttcoin.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
I put 250 bucks in it.
joe rogan
Hawk Tua judge.
Hawk Tua girls.
I like how her name is just Hawk Tua girl.
chris distefano
Her name's Haley.
Oh yeah, Haley Welch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Biz partners are getting sued over the meme coin disaster.
Okay.
Partners are doing it.
So it was probably some people she got invested in.
She probably doesn't understand all that stuff.
She's only 22 or something like that.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
It was probably the partners that went with her, they pump and dumped on her, and then she's left holding the bill because nobody knows who they are.
So scroll up?
I'm just guessing.
I don't know.
A legal firm of Burnwick Laws filed a U.S. federal lawsuit on behalf of the investors against the creators of the influencer-push Hawk Tua meme coin, which fell on its face in the hours following its launch.
Haley Welch, who gained notoriety this year with the Hawk Tua girl following a viral interview about sexual technique, facing a disastrous Solana meme coin launch at the start of the month.
Not only did the price collapse by 93% from a $490 million peak.
Holy shit!
$490 million peak market cap for a Hawk Tua coin.
With the rug pull allegations quickly surfacing, but a cluster of connected wallets holding 96% of the supply led to further controversy.
The hate only increased when it was found that some of the wallets were selling.
Quickly, Berwick Law posted on Twitter asking for hawk buyers impacted by the plunge to step forward to create a potential lawsuit.
Now, two weeks later, the lawsuit has been filed naming 12 American resident plaintiffs who claim to have collectively suffered damages in excess of $151,000.
jamie vernon
If I lost a million bucks, I'd be in that fast.
unidentified
Yeah, that's weird.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
Like, there's only 12 people, and they've only lost 151 total.
I wonder how many people, like, all told invested in the Hawk Tool coin.
How many stone-cold retards are out there roaming the world?
yannis pappas
I don't know, but this is inspiring.
Should we do a history hyena's coin?
joe rogan
I'm telling you, do it and then...
No, no, no, no, no.
Don't listen to Jamie.
Do it, get it real high, and then sell.
b-real
Make the money.
joe rogan
Just fuck all those dummies that are buying your stupid fucking coin.
yannis pappas
We're announcing it right now.
The History Hyenas Coin will be available.
We're going to launch it.
joe rogan
This is how you do it.
This is a win-win for everybody.
You're going to have a History Hyenas Coin, but the only way to purchase it is with the Hawk Tua Coin.
yannis pappas
Right.
chris distefano
Got it.
yannis pappas
Right.
chris distefano
Smart.
yannis pappas
Right.
joe rogan
That way everybody's a winner.
yannis pappas
Everyone's a winner.
unidentified
Everybody's a winner.
joe rogan
Now all of a sudden the coin makes a comeback.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Both of you grow.
The rising tide lifts all boats.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
So we can finally get Hawk 2R on our show that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
This went viral.
This was a video of a kid.
He's in his house streaming.
He was streaming this online.
He started a coin and then pumped it up.
unidentified
Look at this kid.
jamie vernon
He made like 50 grand before it happened.
joe rogan
He's pumping it, dubbing it in front of everybody.
jamie vernon
He starts freaking out here as he watches it go up.
chris distefano
Alright.
joe rogan
And he got to...
How quickly did he dump?
jamie vernon
He dumps it in.
This video is a minute long.
joe rogan
He dumped it in the mini?
jamie vernon
He's watching it go up right now.
unidentified
Wait, what?
jamie vernon
He just recognized.
joe rogan
How old is this kid?
jamie vernon
I think 13. Wait, what?
Maybe 15?
chris distefano
Wait, I'm so confused.
Oh, it's nuked.
unidentified
Why is it nuked?
jamie vernon
There's people watching this too.
Let's see what other voices you're hearing.
unidentified
Holy fuck!
Holy fuck!
jamie vernon
He just dumped it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, he did.
Yo!
Yo!
joe rogan
He has no idea he's committed a crime.
Is that a crime?
What is a crime?
How does it work?
How come Nancy Pelosi can make all that money?
unidentified
I don't understand what the crimes are.
yannis pappas
There's an SEC regulation against that.
Yeah, we can look it up.
chris distefano
What about when Tom Brady and Larry David got in trouble for the FTX thing and they were just promoting doing a commercial?
How were they in trouble for promoting a coin?
joe rogan
I never understood that.
Well, it remains to be seen whether or not they'll be charged or whether they'll be found guilty.
chris distefano
But how could they even be remotely?
joe rogan
Because someone lost a bunch of money, and they said, Larry David, I trusted you.
You were promoting this thing that I think is good.
That's the reason why I've never promoted any of those.
Because I've had offers to promote things like that.
chris distefano
For real money.
joe rogan
I'm not interested.
I'm like, uh-uh.
I don't even understand it.
If I don't understand it, like, you're selling what?
You're selling NFTs?
What does that mean?
It's a non-fungible token.
We're done.
I don't know what you're saying.
I'm not doing this.
There's like too many fucking bros that are out there doing this, the Lambo drivers.
It's like a fuckery culture.
yannis pappas
So do you understand crypto fully or is it still one of those things like- I understand it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I understand it.
It's just like it's weird that anybody would invest actual real money in it.
I understand Bitcoin more than all the other ones, but even Bitcoin is mysterious.
There's a lot of weird...
I mean, they don't even know who made it.
There's a whole documentary on Satoshi Nakamoto whose real identity is.
It's all controversial.
That's weird.
The fact that there's a certain stable amount of them, though, that's encouraging.
You can't make more of them.
yannis pappas
But that's exactly what artists do to give their art value.
That's how you do it.
You limit the supply, and then, oh, these are only 10 original paintings, and this is what I'm charging, because there's only 10 prints of these, and so you create the value by the scarcity.
unidentified
Right.
yannis pappas
So there's nothing mysterious about that.
joe rogan
Sort of, but it also limits the ability to add coins to it anytime you want and devalue it.
yannis pappas
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
So that's what's more important than, like, making it scarce so people like it more.
It is weird.
That we used to be on a gold standard and then now we're just on hard drives and we just sort of accept it.
And then the government, like when they want to send money to Ukraine, forget about the fact that we're trillions of dollars in debt.
They could just come up with $179 billion and ship it over to some country.
Yay!
Go have a good time.
And there's wild reports about the amount of corruption that this money is experiencing.
I mean, this money has probably gone through more people's noses and come out of more people's dicks.
Where's this money going?
It's so much.
There's no way it's 100% efficient.
Uh-uh.
Not that part of the world.
yannis pappas
No, I don't understand it so much like Joe.
I just don't.
joe rogan
Stay away.
yannis pappas
Yeah, I just stay away.
It's like when someone explains curling to me.
You know the sport curling?
chris distefano
Sure.
yannis pappas
I'm like, I don't.
Even when I get the rules, I'm like, I still don't understand.
joe rogan
You know, I was in Newfoundland, and I did a show up there once, and the place that was at was like a theater, and in this theater apparently they have curling shows.
And so when you're walking down the hallway in the back, before you go on stage, there's all these fucking photos of people curling.
And I just went out there and started shitting on curling right away, and they were so bummed out.
They're so bummed out.
yannis pappas
It looks like the Housekeeper Olympics or something.
They're just sweeping the ice.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
unidentified
It's such a dumb, dumb sport.
joe rogan
It's like bowling for retards.
It's like regular bowling is too complicated.
chris distefano
But they're good.
I mean, there's people that are good at it.
I don't know how you're good at it, but...
joe rogan
I kind of get it, because it's kind of like billiards, right?
Or pool.
You're rolling this thing.
You're trying to just roll it just enough.
Just this feel.
You get this feel to it.
You're just like, let it go now.
Let it slide.
unidentified
Sweep it!
joe rogan
Get rid of the friction!
yannis pappas
So that's what they're doing.
joe rogan
They're trying to get rid of the friction.
They don't need dust.
They don't need snow dust.
unidentified
It's stupid.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
But if you grow up and there's nothing to do and you suck at hockey, Just curl.
You play that.
yannis pappas
I guess it's the golfing of ice sports.
joe rogan
I guess.
I wouldn't.
Golfing is way more complex.
yannis pappas
Yeah, but I just mean like you don't need any real athletic talent to do it.
Like how do you retire from golfing?
joe rogan
You don't think you need athletic talent from golfing?
For golfing?
yannis pappas
Not really.
joe rogan
You definitely do.
For the drive.
yannis pappas
You see these guys' bodies?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the coordination of your body to drive a golf ball.
Jamie's a nut.
Jamie, tell them how much it is.
jamie vernon
I know, but I was about to say, there's guys that are paralyzed that can still golf.
yannis pappas
Yeah, I mean, it's really like...
joe rogan
How do you golf with your mind?
jamie vernon
No, I mean, they can literally just swing an arm.
They're strapped into a contraption that sets them upright and points them around.
I've seen blind people golf.
yannis pappas
I mean, Nate Bargatze golfs.
He's good.
Look at his body.
joe rogan
He's got tits.
jamie vernon
I know what's your point.
To hit it 400 yards, that's 100% athletic.
You can't just accidentally do that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, even John Daly.
You can say John Daly's fat and all that stuff, but John Daly, when you watch him move, the efficiency of his movements.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You know, like we were talking about Mark Hunt.
Mark Hunt's a big guy, but still, fuck people up, right?
It's still an athlete.
yannis pappas
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Like, a lot of these fat golfers, there's a thing they know how to do, they whack that ball, and they know exactly how to fucking put a little spin on that motherfucker, a little whist action on that sucker.
jamie vernon
The difference between pro and being able to play the game is like, being a banker and playing Monopoly.
chris distefano
Like, you ever seen Bartolo Colon, the pitcher for the Mets?
joe rogan
No.
I thought that was a Colon you were talking about.
yannis pappas
This guy's body's the best.
chris distefano
Look at Bartolo Colon.
If you pull up Bartolo, B-A-R-T-O-L-O, I mean, look at this guy, and he just threw heat in the majors, and he would just, you know?
And he was fun about it.
He was fun about being fat.
He would sit in the locker room with no shirt on, eating cheeseburgers.
Nobody gave a shit.
unidentified
Look at that one, with the helmet flying off his head.
joe rogan
Well, as long as you're good at that sport.
chris distefano
He was good.
joe rogan
And that sport is a sport that doesn't require endurance.
That's what's important.
chris distefano
No.
joe rogan
You don't have to do anything for a prolonged period of time.
The furthest thing you have to do is run to a base.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you've got to run to all of them, that's crazy.
What did you do?
Generally, if you're running to all of them, you can kind of trot because you knocked it out of the park.
unidentified
Right.
yannis pappas
What do you think the sport that requires the most endurance?
Obviously not thinking about, like, long-distance running because that's obvious, but, like, You know what I think it is?
joe rogan
What?
yannis pappas
I think hockey.
joe rogan
Well, soccer too.
yannis pappas
Yeah, but the hockey, you notice how those guys can only be on the ice for like...
chris distefano
Two minutes shifts.
yannis pappas
Two minutes, and it's so hard to skate like that.
chris distefano
Can't do it.
joe rogan
Good point.
Soccer players stay on the field the whole game.
yannis pappas
Yeah, because they get to rest and slow down.
chris distefano
Even the best.
Gretzky, they can't...
Two minutes.
yannis pappas
Two minutes.
chris distefano
They can't do it.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
yannis pappas
It's crazy.
chris distefano
They have four lines, I think.
joe rogan
So when they go two minutes, how much do they take off before they go back on the ice?
chris distefano
I think it's like another minute or two.
But it's multiple lines.
yannis pappas
They just constantly go on and off because they have to continuously skate.
joe rogan
Can you imagine what a hockey game would look like if they'd never let them use the bench?
yannis pappas
Oh, that would be hilarious.
chris distefano
People would drop dead.
yannis pappas
Yeah, they would just drop dead.
joe rogan
That would be wild.
chris distefano
Have you ever seen hockey live in NHL? To me, besides MMA, I saw an MMA fight once.
That was amazing.
And then second is NHL. It's very fast.
NHL, those guys on skates, whether you know the rules or not, it's amazing.
joe rogan
It's a very, very fast skate.
yannis pappas
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
And the skill to be able to skate.
I can barely skate at all.
I'm barely standing up.
These motherfuckers.
And it's the only sport where you're allowed to fist fight in.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
100%.
joe rogan
It's written into the rules.
chris distefano
It's encouraged.
joe rogan
You're allowed to duke it out, which is so crazy.
That's the only one.
yannis pappas
Yeah, because I think people don't really know where the puck is.
And so everyone's just waiting around for a fight.
joe rogan
Because it's grandfathered in, the punching each other.
yannis pappas
Has anyone ever seen a goal when it actually happened in real time?
It happens too fast.
That's why they have the siren on top of the goal.
joe rogan
Well, you know what I really like on TV where they have that circle over it so they know where the puck is at all times.
A lot of craziness happening.
It's like if you're watching a football game from the 30th row and you're looking down like, what happened?
Who's got the ball?
After the ball gets hiked, it's like, where'd it go?
Did it go to him?
They're faking you out.
You don't know.
Unless you see the guy throw it.
You don't know what's happening.
chris distefano
And what about old hockey goalies would do it with no helmet?
And just get the puck, and then we have...
yannis pappas
Oh, you see those faces?
The way their faces used to look?
chris distefano
Do you think those guys ever sat on the bench and talked about mental health?
joe rogan
Nobody told them what it was.
yannis pappas
No, they didn't know.
No, I don't think so.
chris distefano
You think they ever talked about their mental health?
yannis pappas
I think they had some struggles with it, though.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
yannis pappas
Yeah, taking a couple of shots to the head.
joe rogan
Oh, no question.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
I mean, yeah, of course.
I mean, it'd be terrifying.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
yannis pappas
I mean, the guy's blocking it with his face.
chris distefano
Yep, it's just what it is.
joe rogan
All the scars that he had on his face from his entire career.
chris distefano
Terry Sawchuck.
That sounds like just a badass name.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is a face, man.
chris distefano
Look at that, dude.
joe rogan
Imagine if that guy gets mad at you in the bar.
You're like, yes, sir, bye.
chris distefano
Yeah, I don't want that.
joe rogan
That's a guy who's seen some fucking shit.
Oh, Jesus, look at his face.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, and he had a mask on.
It broke the mask.
Fucked his face up.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
yannis pappas
I mean, yeah, I mean, they flick that thing.
It's so hard right at your face.
joe rogan
So fast.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
Who's the scariest warrior, like, from history you would never want to go up against?
Like, would it be like, you know, like a wild Native American on the plains, a guy from Genghis Khan, a Nazi?
Who would you be like, shit, this guy's gonna fucking kill me and it's gonna hurt?
joe rogan
You have to say the Vikings.
yannis pappas
Vikings.
joe rogan
Because they were the biggest.
And they were on mushrooms.
chris distefano
Dude, is that true?
joe rogan
Yeah.
chris distefano
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Those Iceland guys that win the World's Strongest Man competition all the time, like those guys like the Mountain from Game of Thrones, where do you think that gene line came from?
yannis pappas
Vikings.
joe rogan
Vikings.
100%.
Those were the dudes that were in that fucking boat with the dragon head at the front, and when they pulled up at your shore, everybody just ran.
yannis pappas
Yeah, that's it.
But can I just nominate someone?
unidentified
Yes.
yannis pappas
Who you've not been thinking about?
I mean, it's obviously not underrated because everyone knows about them, but let's just talk about the record.
Alexander the Great, who led his troops...
He's undefeated in battle.
He's the Floyd Mayweather of generals.
Undefeated.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
unidentified
Record.
yannis pappas
Never lost a battle.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
chris distefano
That's true.
yannis pappas
And conquered the known world at that time.
Took down the mighty Persian Empire.
chris distefano
But if the Vikings were alive back then, they might kill him and his little boyfriend, too.
joe rogan
They had enough of them.
I think so, dude.
They killed each other a lot, too, unfortunately.
chris distefano
And they were civilized, the Vikings, too.
But did you ever see the biological warfare when they would light the...
I read this thing where they would...
The rats on their boat, when they were going to whatever...
Wherever they were invading, they would wait.
They would look for infected rats.
Somehow they knew.
They would get close enough.
They would light their tails on fire and then shoot them into over the walls and then let the rats run around and infect...
People and bite people or whatever and wait it out for like 40 days and just then go in when the town was all dying of some disease.
Whoa!
joe rogan
That's a fact.
yannis pappas
The Vikings were brutal.
They would even kill like the priests and the churches.
They would do bad stuff.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen Alexander the Great's ruins in Afghanistan?
yannis pappas
In person?
Dude, I don't want to go to Afghanistan.
Photographs.
joe rogan
Nobody else go to Afghanistan.
That's the problem.
Archaeologists can't go there to study them.
But they have ancient Greek cities.
yannis pappas
I know.
joe rogan
They look like beautiful, ancient Greek cities that are in the middle of Afghanistan.
chris distefano
That's sick.
joe rogan
My friend who served over there was telling me about it.
He was like, you go there, you can't believe what you're seeing.
He had a bunch of pictures of it.
It's like, this is the craziest thing.
It's like, you're in Athens.
chris distefano
That would be crazy.
yannis pappas
The Greeks kind of nailed some stuff.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
yannis pappas
My people kind of, democracy?
joe rogan
You know what you really should read?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Immortality Key.
Have you read that?
yannis pappas
No.
joe rogan
It's Brian Mirorescu.
He's a scholar who was studying the use of psychedelic drugs in ancient Greece, where the Eleusinian Mysteries.
unidentified
I've heard of this.
joe rogan
Where everybody would go to learn about democracy, and they were all tripping balls.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they've found evidence now from these vessels, these pottery vessels, that inside these vessels they were drinking wine.
But it wasn't wine.
The wine wasn't just alcohol.
They would mix it with a bunch of different psychedelic compounds.
And one of them was ergot.
So they found residue of ergot, which is a psychedelic that gives you like an LSD-like experience.
So they were all drinking wine and tripping balls and figuring out democracy and, you know, like fucking stars and constellations.
They were out of their heads.
The birthplace of so much of Western society has come from that one spot.
unidentified
When's the last time you banged out a little LSD? It's been a long time.
chris distefano
Yeah?
You think you'll bang it out again one day before you go?
joe rogan
I would like it to be legal before I admit to that.
chris distefano
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
This is what I think.
chris distefano
Oh, I thought LSD was legal.
unidentified
New, new, new, super illegal.
joe rogan
Schedule 1. I think when we realize the benefits of these things, and hopefully it's within our lifetime, especially for people that have PTSD, like soldiers.
That'll open the door for that.
And then they'll have clinics where regular people can use it, and then they can get over a lot of the shit that people are struggling with.
There's a lot of people that could have a psychedelic experience and snap themselves back onto a better course in life.
And if it's illegal, that number of people is going to be very limited.
But like all things, it's gonna have side effects.
This is the thing.
It's like there's no biological free lunch.
And if you're doing something that's blowing your brains out, like LSD, there's a certain amount of people who aren't coming back.
And that's real.
Because there's a certain amount of people who have a very fragile grasp on reality as it is.
You give that person nine grams of psilocybin mushrooms, and you've got a real fucking problem.
They might not ever come back.
yannis pappas
Were you able to snap back quick?
joe rogan
You can step back.
It depends on what you're doing, you know, and when you're doing it, what time in your life, and what the experience was like.
But it should be something that's controlled.
It should be something that where you have places you can go, where they have a very strict protocol, they measure your weight, they know what the dose is to give you, you can do it in a calm and clean and safe setting.
They're regulated.
They have counselors.
They have people that understand.
They screen you to make sure that you're not on any psych medications first that would interfere with it.
That's what we should have, just like we have hospitals, just like we have mental health institutes.
This should be psychedelic research centers that are connected to treatment facilities.
chris distefano
That's what ketamine therapy is in some small ways, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's very psychedelic.
In fact, John Lilly, the guy who created a sensory deprivation tank, that was his vibe.
He used to like to do ketamine in there.
He would do intramuscular ketamine.
So he would go into the sensory deprivation tank and fucking bang himself with ketamine into the muscles because it would last a long time and just...
We just fucking exist in this other dimension for hours at a time.
That was his thing.
yannis pappas
Yeah, yeah.
chris distefano
Yeah, I mean, dude, I want to hit a...
We should do a sensory deprivation tank together.
unidentified
I have one here.
yannis pappas
He's got one here.
chris distefano
You have one here?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
chris distefano
You want to hit it?
yannis pappas
No.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
chris distefano
He won't do it.
See, he gets a little...
yannis pappas
He won't do it.
I get a little scared of stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's worth being scared.
But that's not dangerous.
It's not scary.
Whatever weird feelings you have, if you can't handle it, all you have to do is open the door and you're sober instantaneously.
It's different than anything else.
But if it was a drug, if the sensory deprivation tank was a drug, it would be a very psychedelic drug.
If it was just a drug, when you lay in there and your eyes are wide open, but it's pitch black and you're floating, you're completely weightless.
If that was a drug, it'd be a very popular drug.
yannis pappas
Now, when you've done this stuff, most people seem to say their ego disappears over the horizon type of stuff.
They realize everything's connected.
Have you had that experience?
joe rogan
You definitely realize everything's connected.
And your ego, you realize, is both protecting you and holding you back.
Because your ego is like you need a little bit of ego if you want to make it in life Because you need to have enough confidence in yourself that you ask the girl out on a date that you're attracted to or that you chase the job that you want Or that you like stand up for yourself when you feel like you're getting fucked over in a business deal like you need some Ego you can't be completely selfless.
You're not gonna get anywhere But then you have to realize that you're very fragile and your ego is protecting you from a lot of true understanding of the life experience.
And one of the most profound things that happens with psychedelic experiences is the complete dissolving of ego.
And then you kind of see yourself and everyone around you in a way more objective way.
And you realize, oh my god, we're all energy feeding off of each other.
And we're pretending that we're isolated and we're singular.
We're on our own.
That's why really ill people will tell you, I don't have any friends.
I don't like people.
I don't want to be around people.
If you've got a guy who's a fighter pilot, he's like, I don't hang around with fire pilots.
He's probably really depressed.
Something's wrong with him.
If you don't hang out with your peers, if you don't have friends, you don't enjoy camaraderie and community, you want to pretend that you're like this isolated, dark poet or something like that, you're probably very mentally ill.
There's probably something really wrong with you.
yannis pappas
We're hardwired social species.
joe rogan
Yes, 100%.
And we enjoy each other's company.
We feed off of it.
It's the worst thing they can do for you in jail is put you in solitary confinement.
The worst thing they can do, you're in a fucking...
You're in a giant cage filled with prisoners and rapists and murderers.
The worst thing they could do is leave you alone.
yannis pappas
Well, that's why I believe the internet's bad is because it's fake community.
joe rogan
Right.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
And that's why people talk like a fake way.
yannis pappas
Right.
joe rogan
They don't talk like they would ever talk if they were right in front of people.
yannis pappas
Right, right, right.
And that's why I think it's bad, because it's messing with people's sense of what reality is, and people are essentially disassociating when they're on there.
joe rogan
Exactly, right, yeah, exactly.
And it's just, it's a very shallow way to communicate, and I think that if you do it like that all the time, your ability to communicate normally and the ability to socialize and just have conversations with people gets severely stunted.
You don't flex that.
You don't use that muscle.
And it atrophies, just like everything else.
It's just there's so many kids that are completely socially disconnected other than the internet, which keeps them connected.
So they're socially connected through technology, but completely disconnected through human touch, being around people, fun conversation.
Adventure, doing fun things.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just exist in the same area and just get as much coming through the screen as they can.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
yannis pappas
It's fake.
It's not real.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yannis pappas
That's what's troubling, and that's what I worry about my kids.
unidentified
Right.
yannis pappas
I want them to have human connection, long conversations, experience people's energy.
Looking at someone in the eyes is everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yannis pappas
You know, feeling someone's energy, like you said.
You don't feel anything.
joe rogan
The problem also with kids is even when they're together, they're on their phones all the time.
yannis pappas
That's a problem.
joe rogan
And this is one thing about podcasts that's fucking amazing because podcasts are one of the rare times in my life where for three hours, I have no phone.
For three hours, unless I'm checking something or sending Jamie something, I don't...
yannis pappas
And the people listening are also doing the same thing.
They're connecting to you without doing that.
Yeah, they're just connecting to hearing you.
It's like a long radio show.
They're not like...
unidentified
It's beautiful.
yannis pappas
Flipping through, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.
Talking to other people and they're talking back and everyone's pretending like there's somebody else and catfishing each other.
joe rogan
That's why I always used to like planes back in the day before Wi-Fi came around.
Because when you were on a plane, if you didn't have a movie to watch or something like that, you just had to sit in that seat.
And when you just sit in that seat and you know you can't go anywhere, I would get my best writing done.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
My best writing.
Because I'm, like, forced to write.
chris distefano
Sure.
joe rogan
I'm forced.
There's no Wi-Fi.
yannis pappas
Have you ever tried to go to the bathroom without your phone, though?
joe rogan
Oh, it's horrible.
chris distefano
I can't even pee.
It doesn't even work.
unidentified
It's impossible, yeah.
chris distefano
My detrusor muscle or whatever that muscle is that pushes out your pee, it won't come out.
yannis pappas
If I got to poop really bad and I only got, like, 1%, I will go plug it in and hold my shit until I can get enough to shit through.
chris distefano
I can't do it.
That's why I think...
I bet you there's a spike in anxiety when people have to have their phones put away at a comedy show or a music show or whatever.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
chris distefano
I bet you their anxiety goes through the roof because they're like, I can't, you know?
joe rogan
People complain all the time.
yannis pappas
It's the best thing.
And you do that at the Mothership, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
yannis pappas
It's the best.
joe rogan
It's the best thing.
It's better for everybody, too.
It's better for the audience member.
It's better for you.
It's better for everybody.
chris distefano
If you were going to get eaten, would you rather it be an animal or a human?
You have to get eaten.
joe rogan
An animal.
chris distefano
You don't want a cannibal to eat you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want some guy knowing he's eating me.
yannis pappas
You don't want him to have that power.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck that.
Alligator.
yannis pappas
Crocodile.
Quick.
It would be quick.
How about a hippo?
joe rogan
Just snap you in half.
You'd be dead in seconds.
chris distefano
They drown you, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they just rip you apart.
yannis pappas
You don't want hyenas to eat you.
unidentified
No.
yannis pappas
You do not want that.
chris distefano
Because what do they do?
They eat you alive?
yannis pappas
They have no concern about putting you down, killing you.
A cat will kill you.
Make sure you're dead before it eats you.
Hyenas just start eating you.
joe rogan
Yeah, same as bears.
chris distefano
Bears just start eating you.
joe rogan
They just start eating you.
Wolves just start eating you.
chris distefano
Don't hyenas then throw up the food and then eat their puke?
yannis pappas
That's how they nourish themselves.
chris distefano
True story.
yannis pappas
Yeah, they're the only animal that eats the full bone.
Only animal on the planet that pulverizes the bone.
Their jaw strength is such that they pulverize the bone and consume the bone as well.
So when they're done, there's no carcass.
They're the fucking best animal on the planet.
They got pseudo-penises.
chris distefano
They're transgender animals.
yannis pappas
They're fucking wild.
The women are bigger than the men.
I loved your bit about it.
chris distefano
They smell too bad.
yannis pappas
And we started the podcast because hyenas have always been my favorite animal, and we both loved history, and so we just combined those two things.
But hyenas are hilarious, dude.
chris distefano
What was your bit about hyenas?
I didn't hear it.
yannis pappas
It was great.
It was a long bit.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
It's a long bit.
chris distefano
It's a good bit.
joe rogan
It's basically about their matriarchal power structure.
yannis pappas
Why that's bad.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, they had to do that because male hyenas are such cunts, they'd probably eat the babies.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're monsters.
But they're like a medium-sized animal in a world of things way bigger than them.
So they're living around lions.
yannis pappas
They get it done.
They trick you.
Numbers.
They confuse you.
They're opportunity killers.
They love to steal kills.
chris distefano
That laughing is real.
That cackle.
That's a real thing.
yannis pappas
They don't really know what it is either.
They don't actually know what exactly.
It sounds like they're having a good time.
chris distefano
Yeah, they're just having fun.
They're fucking brutal.
Lions are like these fucking hyenas again.
yannis pappas
Dude, the hyenas just spoil fun.
They show up and you're like, these fuck...
You ever see when like a cheetah works so hard?
chris distefano
Yeah.
yannis pappas
Because cheetahs fail all the time.
And then they finally get a kill and then you just hear the...
You just hear the...
And the cheetah's probably going, motherfucker!
And they just come and they just steal it.
joe rogan
That whole area, when you think about it, is like the proving ground for, like, biological life.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how are you going to keep the populations in order?
How are you going to make sure the predators don't get out of hand?
How are you going to make sure that the hyenas always have to worry about the male lions?
Look at that face, man.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Look at that face.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
That face is so crazy.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
I don't want to get eaten by that.
joe rogan
Just crushing jaw muscles.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
I think...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Look at that face.
That's so nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine that's the last thing you see before you get eaten.
yannis pappas
I don't know why they're funny to me.
joe rogan
How many people die from hyenas every day?
yannis pappas
They eat a lot of people.
joe rogan
Do they?
chris distefano
Yeah.
Remember that picture that we saw of a hyena?
It's got an elephant's foot in its mouth.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
It's just running around with an elephant's foot.
joe rogan
Fucking monsters.
yannis pappas
That was actually our first logo.
We put our faces on that.
chris distefano
And then we tried to sell merch at us, and people were like, I'm not buying this bloody hyena for these fucking idiots.
yannis pappas
Yeah, and also, it's not our picture to sell.
joe rogan
Jamie, how many people die from hyenas every year?
Hippos kill the most people in Africa, right?
chris distefano
Do they?
joe rogan
Yeah, I believe so.
I believe hippos are responsible for the most deaths in Africa.
chris distefano
What are they, like, is there a village or something that, like, lives close to the hippos in Africa?
joe rogan
I think if you fuck around and you get in the water near your hippos, you ever see hippos chasing boats?
They'll chase boats.
Looks like a fucking submarine.
yannis pappas
Super territorial.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're rough, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think of them as hunger, hunger, hippo.
We make the most monstrous animals the cutest.
Polar bears, hippos, yogi.
yannis pappas
Yeah, teddy bears.
Every kid has a teddy bear.
You're like, you don't want a real bear.
chris distefano
Tony the tiger.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
Tony the tiger.
How many people every year die?
Let's take a guess before we find out.
How many people die from hyenas every year?
chris distefano
You ready for this?
I'm going to say that I think in the world 50 people die of hyenas and I think 75 die of cannibals.
joe rogan
Whoa.
chris distefano
That's why I think more people get eaten by other people than hyenas.
joe rogan
Wow.
chris distefano
1575 is my guess.
How would you...
joe rogan
You'd have to count into places where people do it for revenge, too, like Haiti.
Right.
They eat people for fun.
chris distefano
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
That counts.
Papua New Guinea.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think there's a very low number of cannibals.
Every year where people get eaten by cannibals.
I would say it's less than 20 people eaten by cannibals.
This is my guess.
And maybe 75 people every year die from hyenas.
yannis pappas
I'm going to go 800 to 1,000.
unidentified
Hyenas?
yannis pappas
On the whole continent, uh, Serengeti, yeah, I mean, Africa, yeah, I'm gonna go- Every year?
Thousand, yeah, I'm gonna go a thousand.
chris distefano
What about cannibals?
yannis pappas
Cannibals, I think, is a lot higher.
I mean, how are we ever gonna get that number?
Nobody eats somebody and then goes and reports it.
joe rogan
Right.
yannis pappas
Yeah, so that's impossible to know.
joe rogan
Right.
yannis pappas
But I think hyenas, you can track, and I think they probably get hundreds.
chris distefano
But ask Google, because Google tells you the truth.
joe rogan
I bet it's not that many.
I bet it's not that many.
jamie vernon
What do we got, oh?
It took me a while to find an answer.
I found one story where a guy was killed by someone that said it was the 60th in that year, but I didn't know what year it was.
chris distefano
60th hyena or cannibal?
jamie vernon
Hyena death in that year.
Wow, I said 50. Sorry, person killed by hyenas, I should say.
chris distefano
Okay.
jamie vernon
Yeah, this is 1998 to 99, 50 people were attacked by hyenas with 35 being children, 12 people killed.
joe rogan
Only 12 killed.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'm not seeing tons of good info.
yannis pappas
All right, so is wrong.
joe rogan
If you're in that part of the world, you better be packing everywhere you go.
yannis pappas
Yeah, we need it.
joe rogan
Bulletproof vest, shotgun, big bowie knife, fucking everything.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're walking around a hyena country, you better be ready to spray.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Since their attacks are actually kind of rare.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
chris distefano
Hyena attacks?
yannis pappas
Who gets people the most over there?
Hippos?
chris distefano
Lions, maybe?
yannis pappas
Oh, hippos, he said.
joe rogan
I think hippos.
I think hippos are responsible for the most deaths in Africa every year.
yannis pappas
But you know who really is responsible for the most deaths in Africa?
joe rogan
Humans.
yannis pappas
Mosquitoes.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
chris distefano
Yeah, of course.
yannis pappas
Which is so crazy.
joe rogan
They've killed half of all the people that have ever died.
chris distefano
Mosquitoes have, right?
joe rogan
Mosquitoes have killed half of the people that have ever died.
It's crazy.
Malaria.
yannis pappas
The most dangerous animal on the planet.
chris distefano
It makes you think, like, is this our planet or is it their planet?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Hippopotamus, animal that kills the most people in Africa with an estimated 500 deaths per year.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Fuck.
500 people get hippoed every year.
chris distefano
20 miles an hour they can run?
joe rogan
Yeah.
chris distefano
That's real shit.
joe rogan
Oh, it's real shit.
If you have a bad knee, you're in real trouble.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Cape buffalo, they kill a bunch of people every year.
Puff adder.
chris distefano
Okay.
yannis pappas
That's a snake.
chris distefano
Snake makes sense.
joe rogan
How many people do you think die from African lions every year?
chris distefano
I was thinking it was going to be a lot, like 100, but I guess I'm wrong.
joe rogan
Well, if hippos are 500, it can't be 100. Like, let's just guess.
How many people die from lions?
yannis pappas
If hyenas are, I'm going to say 18. 18?
joe rogan
Yeah, because I think more people die from hyenas than lions?
yannis pappas
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Well, that was like in the 80s and it was only 12 people died.
chris distefano
But who's getting close to the lions like this?
joe rogan
Asshole!
yannis pappas
Well, they also live out there.
I mean, a lot of tribes live out there.
They're close by.
chris distefano
There's a village in Africa, I saw, it was on Nat Geo, that hyenas come in and get fed there.
yannis pappas
Yeah, I saw that.
chris distefano
Hyenas walk into, you saw that, right?
Yeah, so they have a deal.
So they have a deal, and it actually, they believe, helps keep them safe, because the hyenas know they don't have to kill anyone, they'll just get the food.
joe rogan
Yeah, these are good.
These are coffee.
yannis pappas
Ooh, nice.
joe rogan
They're breakers.
Yeah.
I think that's probably smart.
Like, make friends with the hyenas.
chris distefano
Why not?
They understand.
joe rogan
A lot of guys try to keep them as pets.
You ever see the dudes who walk around with them with chains on them and shit?
yannis pappas
That'd be wild.
joe rogan
That's a gangster move.
You walk around with a fucking hyena?
Because they're big, too.
chris distefano
Dude, if we ever do like a...
joe rogan
What's a hyena?
Like a buck fifty?
So it's like a mastiff-looking size?
yannis pappas
Yeah, it's kind of like probably a German Shepherd or mastiff-looking.
joe rogan
Bigger than a Shepherd, right?
yannis pappas
Probably.
I don't know, because they're not that...
They're kind of compact, so I don't know what their weight would be.
chris distefano
Can you get them in the U.S.? You can't get a hyena in here, right?
joe rogan
Maybe get them in Texas.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Or Florida.
joe rogan
Texas has a lot of shit here.
chris distefano
Like, could you bring one out on stage on a show, like if you've got clearance?
joe rogan
If you were Ted Nugent.
Ted Nugent in Texas could bring hyenas on stage.
chris distefano
He'll bring one out.
joe rogan
He used to ride a buffalo when he was on stage.
You ever see that?
Yeah.
You ever see Ted Nugent riding a buffalo?
yannis pappas
No.
joe rogan
He had a buffalo that he could ride, and he would ride it on stage.
Like, he's doing a show, and he's on a fucking buffalo in front of all these people.
yannis pappas
You know, Ted Nugent is the only guy who I've ever heard who made me understand meat eating and how it's no less moral than...
He's the only guy who made it make sense in my head.
He goes, oh, you think you're a good person because you're only eating the vegetables?
And then he talked about how many animals have to be killed in order to keep those vegetables from being eaten by other animals.
joe rogan
Right.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Fighting Buffalo.
Wildcat.
unidentified
Wow.
His son owns a bar on Staten Island.
chris distefano
And I didn't know.
Rocco?
yannis pappas
Oh, the kid didn't know he was his son.
chris distefano
Yes, you met this kid?
joe rogan
The kid that he didn't know was his son.
chris distefano
Ted Jr., and he was like, yeah, Ted Nugent's my pop.
He's a really cool guy.
And I was like, oh shit.
He was like, yeah, dude, it's pretty fucking wild.
yannis pappas
But you ever hear him explain that?
And I was like, oh yeah.
joe rogan
Explain it on this podcast.
yannis pappas
Oh, he did?
Is that what it was from?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yannis pappas
Oh my God, I was like, oh yeah.
joe rogan
There's a red curtain behind him.
yannis pappas
Yeah, that's right!
joe rogan
Yeah.
yannis pappas
And I was like, oh my God, nobody ever thinks of that.
chris distefano
What is Ted Nugent famous?
Was he a politician?
What was Ted Nugent?
joe rogan
Stranglehold, son.
You don't ever heard of Stranglehold?
You never heard that song?
chris distefano
No.
unidentified
Here I come again now, baby!
joe rogan
You don't know that song?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh my God, you know it.
Play Stranglehold.
chris distefano
Yeah, I'm sorry.
So he was a musician.
joe rogan
It's one of the greatest guitar riffs in all of rock and roll.
unidentified
I just...
chris distefano
I'm gonna be honest if I know it.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
unidentified
So far, it's not ringing a bell.
joe rogan
Hold up.
It's just picking up, son.
Here we go.
unidentified
You know what?
yannis pappas
No.
chris distefano
You don't know it.
joe rogan
How dare you.
Hold up.
yannis pappas
I don't think so.
unidentified
I've heard this song.
yannis pappas
Yes, yeah.
chris distefano
Now I've heard that part.
joe rogan
Hold up.
unidentified
This is a huge, huge hit.
chris distefano
I don't...
I don't know it.
yannis pappas
Who's the best guitarist of all time?
joe rogan
Hendrix.
yannis pappas
Billy Ray?
joe rogan
Hendrix.
yannis pappas
Hendrix?
joe rogan
Hold up.
chris distefano
All right, we're good.
joe rogan
Stranglehold.
Yeah.
chris distefano
So he's a big musician.
joe rogan
He's famous for that.
Cat's Crash Fever, another big song.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Had a bunch of good songs.
chris distefano
But then what happened?
Then he got into politics and stuff?
joe rogan
Well, he's a bow hunter and very vocal about social issues.
That's cool.
And kind of a maniac.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's kind of a nutty dude, but he's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
So then how does he have a son in Staten Island that I know?
joe rogan
Well, his son, you know, I think he didn't know it was his son, right?
It was one of those deals.
chris distefano
But they're close.
They're a relationship.
joe rogan
But he has another son, his son Rocco, that I've met.
Right.
He's a fun guy.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like him.
chris distefano
It's a powerful native rock, though.
joe rogan
I don't agree with everything he says, but that's the case with a lot of people.
chris distefano
Yeah, yeah.
To each their own.
joe rogan
I think Hendrix is the greatest when it comes to guitarists, because Hendrix changed songs with his guitar.
Eric Clapton famously, when he saw Hendrix play for the first time, was like, what am I doing?
Why am I even doing it?
This is Eric Clapton.
Eric Clapton.
Layla.
I mean, he was amazing.
yannis pappas
How about Billy Ray Vaughn though?
joe rogan
Stevie Ray Vaughn.
yannis pappas
Sorry, Stevie Ray Vaughn.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah, Stevie Ray.
yannis pappas
Tim Pan Alley.
joe rogan
Amazing.
He used to play at our club.
yannis pappas
I can't believe I said Billy Ray Vaughn.
I got him confused with Billy Ray Cyrus.
Billy Ray Cyrus.
joe rogan
Don't tell my heart.
chris distefano
My achy breaky heart.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
yannis pappas
Tim Pan Alley is one of my favorite songs.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen in the corridor of the, when you're going on stage at the mothership, those photos of Stevie Ray Vaughn?
Those are him on stage at the Ritz.
Oh, crazy.
yannis pappas
From 1983. Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he performed there a bunch of times.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Willie Nelson performed there.
yannis pappas
Crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
yannis pappas
Yeah, that place has some history.
joe rogan
Oh, you could feel it, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's burned in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I brought in Ghost Hunters to check it out.
Sam and Colby, I brought in Ghost Hunters.
chris distefano
Did they find it?
unidentified
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's fun.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what's real.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
But someone was murdered there.
Someone was definitely shot there, I think, in the 70s.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
At least one person.
It used to be a nudie movie theater, and it was a pool hall.
So it was like a nudie movie theater, a pool hall.
It was a punk rock club.
There's like a lot of history in there.
yannis pappas
A lot of people of the night in there.
chris distefano
Do you think it's possible that it was built on an Indian burial ground?
joe rogan
It's so much better that you fucked that up.
You know, there used to be a swastika on the wall.
chris distefano
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So when we tore down, so there's like, you know, a wallboard, and you tear down the wallboard, you get to the raw brick, and in the raw brick there's a fucking swastika on the wall.
And we're like, this is crazy.
And so while we're building the place up, you know, I come in like four months later.
I'm like, hey guys, why is the fucking swastika still here?
Like, we're gonna open in like six months.
You gotta get rid of the swastika.
So they tell one of the construction guys to take off the paint.
Where the swastika is.
And so you know what he does?
He takes it off in the shape of the swastika.
So he cleans up.
So now it's brighter.
Now it's like bright white.
I'm like, hey, it's still a fucking swastika.
Get it off the wall.
chris distefano
Jesus Christ.
Was it the swastika from like the Hindu symbol before?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
It was probably from the punk rock days.
Somebody probably thought they were being crazy.
Yeah, probably someone being a rebel.
I'm a rebel.
chris distefano
And they threw it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, they threw it up.
They painted it on the wall, and it stayed there.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They never cleaned it up!
I'm like, this is so crazy!
yannis pappas
That reminds me of the old punchline in Atlanta that had the Vince Champ signature.
joe rogan
This is Red Hot Chili Peppers.
chris distefano
Oh, wow.
Just fully naked on stage.
joe rogan
Yeah, with socks over their dicks, remember?
chris distefano
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
chris distefano
They used to do that.
joe rogan
That was a good move back then.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd get away with that.
Show your pubes.
chris distefano
Why not?
joe rogan
Cover your balls in your cack with a sock.
chris distefano
Throw it up.
unidentified
Cack!
chris distefano
They got good bodies, nice lean bods.
unidentified
They did, yeah.
joe rogan
They're still going.
chris distefano
I saw a thing that said hunter-gatherers, their bodies, not only the flexibility they had is unmatched, but they actually had bigger brains.
You ever see this, that they actually think that they were smarter than us?
They have bigger heads and bigger brains?
joe rogan
Well, they probably had to process a lot of things.
It's like, what is smart?
Is it smart to just be able to use ChatGPT and find answers to things?
Or is it smart to have to figure stuff out about nature to stay alive?
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
You know, there's different kinds of intelligence.
If you take, like, the smartest guy ever and you let him loose in the Amazon, how long is he going to live?
He's not going to live very long.
chris distefano
Stephen Hawking's not going to make it.
joe rogan
Hunter-gatherers generally had larger brains compared to later human populations as the demands of their lifestyle, including complex foraging strategies and navigating diverse environments, lightly put selective pressure on the evolution of larger brain capacity for problem solving and planning.
That makes sense.
Expensive tissue hypothesis, interesting, which suggests that a diet rich in meat allowed for the energy expenditure needed to maintain a larger brain.
Did you see those, you know, they found a new population of humans that existed as recently as, I think, 100,000 years ago?
But they found them in China and they have much larger heads.
chris distefano
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They thought they were Denisovans, I think, at one point in time, which also is a fairly new discovery.
They found Denisovans in 2010. But this is another one.
This is another new species of human being that they studied that they found, rather.
And they had large heads.
yannis pappas
Haven't they found, like, 12, like, 11 different hominids now?
joe rogan
There's quite a few.
There's quite a few.
You know, including the really controversial ones, like Homo floriensis or floriessis, I I forgot how to say it.
chris distefano
What was that one?
joe rogan
That was the Hobbit people.
The Island of Flores.
They were little tiny three foot tall people.
chris distefano
Squeaks.
Little squeaks.
joe rogan
Little twinks.
Late 1970s.
Yeah, there it is.
Homo Juliensis.
Fossils began belonging to 16 individuals were found in two different locations in China.
They appeared to belong to unique species, thousands of artifacts, stone tools, and animal bones.
This one is the larger headed one.
Is that the same one?
Is that it?
Because it says in the late 70s, fossils.
I think this is large.
I know I have a photo of it.
Here, I'll send it to you.
Where's my phone?
I know I have.
I saved it because I wanted to look at it.
Yeah, Dragon Man.
That's it.
Newly complete skull discovered in China in 1930 is a basis for the proposed new human species, Homo longi, that's it, known as Dragon Man.
Skulls found in 33 Shanghua River in Harbin, China, where a bridge was being built.
Okay, so the skull is a combination of ancient and modern features, including a large brain similar to modern humans and Neanderthals, a low forehead.
I hope this was it.
chris distefano
But how do they know that these are, couldn't it just be like a weird looking kid?
Like if me and Giannis were laying down, you found our skeletons, you would think we might be different types of species.
I mean, he's got a peanut head and I have a head like a Cro-Magnon.
joe rogan
Good point, right?
If you found Shaq buried right next to Bridget the Midget.
chris distefano
It could just be different people.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
That is.
joe rogan
Good point.
chris distefano
You want to talk about fumes.
These kids definitely have fumes.
unidentified
Neanderthals.
chris distefano
Oh my God, dude.
joe rogan
What did they smell like?
chris distefano
Must have been bad, dude.
yannis pappas
Yeah, big time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Here, Jamie, I think this is a different thing.
I'm gonna send it to you right now.
I'm gonna send you the title.
I just saved it on my phone so I could look at it later.
I didn't really look at it too much.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
But they keep finding these new versions of humans.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So it's like, how many of them were there?
And why did we succeed?
Like, what was so great about it?
chris distefano
I think we were most vicious, right?
unidentified
Dogs.
chris distefano
And we just killed off the other ones?
unidentified
Dogs.
chris distefano
You think dogs?
yannis pappas
Dogs.
chris distefano
That's the answer.
yannis pappas
I know, dude.
Yeah.
chris distefano
You're 100% positive.
yannis pappas
My Street Smart says it.
Science says it.
It's nation, you know, the understanding of how, but it's pretty solid that that's what gave us the edge.
chris distefano
That we domesticated dogs.
yannis pappas
We teamed up with dogs and we had a symbiotic relationship and we were able to protect ourselves better.
joe rogan
So this is it.
Large head people.
Mysterious new form of ancient human emerges.
This is it.
So a provocative new piece in Nature has proposed a whole new group of ancient humans, cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals, that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in Eastern Asia more than 100,000 years ago.
Brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses in small groups were much bigger than any other hominin of their time, including our own species.
This is it.
The large head people, yeah.
So that's it.
It is that name, though.
Oh, no, no.
In the past, it says.
Some scientists have attributed to it.
But that's not what they're saying.
So they think it's different.
jamie vernon
The Denisovans is what it says.
Some scientists have attributed the Jullurin fossils to Denisovans.
joe rogan
Right.
In the past.
So now they think it's a totally different thing, right?
chris distefano
I didn't know people ate horses.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
chris distefano
Has every animal been eaten?
joe rogan
Oh, a lot of people eat horses, man.
chris distefano
Yeah, still right now.
joe rogan
In fact, Shavkat Rakhmanov, the number one contender in the welterweight division, he says it's his favorite food.
chris distefano
Horse meat?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's from Kazakhstan.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
He rides horses and he eats horses.
He's like, I love horses.
He loves them all the way.
chris distefano
You ever tried it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've had a horse.
chris distefano
Good?
joe rogan
I had it in Montreal.
There's a restaurant in Montreal, one of the best restaurants in the world.
Shout out to Joe Beef.
yannis pappas
Oh, of course.
chris distefano
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Incredible place.
And we went there, Ari and I, we had, I went with Duncan too, we had horse tartare and we had horse loin.
chris distefano
And it was good.
joe rogan
Fucking really good.
It's game.
It's like wild game.
It's like eating an antelope or eating an elk.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
It's real similar.
It's not bad.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I remember it was all in the family.
When the bunkers were poor, you know, they weren't doing so well, and Edith went to the store and she bought horse meat.
And she served it to Archie.
And it was like a big deal.
unidentified
I ain't eating this horse.
joe rogan
You remember that episode?
chris distefano
I never saw it.
yannis pappas
I don't.
But again, another good impression.
joe rogan
I remember it was like a real problem in the family that she fed him horse.
yannis pappas
Horse meat, yeah.
joe rogan
But they were so poor, they didn't have any meat.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Well, I just feel bad for horses.
I mean, they lug us around for, you know, They're also very sweet.
joe rogan
They're connected to people.
yannis pappas
I can't eat them.
joe rogan
You can get connected to a horse.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
I can't eat horses.
I can't eat dogs.
I just can't do it.
chris distefano
Can't do it.
Dogs get eaten a lot, unfortunately, right?
joe rogan
I think dogs and humans are connected genetically.
yannis pappas
I think so, too.
I think there's a place in our brain that kind of matches up with them, and we evolve together.
Something's up.
It's magical.
joe rogan
Yeah.
My dog, he's a part of my family.
I'm connected to that dog.
yannis pappas
Yeah, me too.
chris distefano
See, I don't want a dog, but maybe I should get a dog.
You think I should just do it?
joe rogan
Dogs are great.
But you're a weirdo.
You'd probably give them away.
chris distefano
I would.
joe rogan
You'd probably say, I can't take it anymore, so I gave it to this Puerto Rican family.
unidentified
I did.
joe rogan
They raised it to be an attack dog, and I feel bad.
Now he's attacking people.
chris distefano
I would.
I would.
I gotta be better with dogs.
joe rogan
Like that fucking dream house you got rid of when you moved into the city like a retard?
chris distefano
Like a fucking retard.
And now I bought one that was too expensive because ChatGPT told me to.
joe rogan
Why didn't you try to buy your old house back?
chris distefano
I did and they won't sell it.
The guys won't sell it.
But what can I do?
joe rogan
What can you do?
chris distefano
Don't do that anymore.
joe rogan
Call him now.
chris distefano
Him and I talk about it.
joe rogan
He's a much more logical person.
chris distefano
He is.
He's more kind of controlled than me.
I go a little wild and he kind of keeps me back.
yannis pappas
I'm not going to say I said it, but I don't know how it controlled them, but it was bought by a Muslim family.
unidentified
A Palestinian family on October 8th.
chris distefano
After October 7th, the next day is when we sold it, October 8th.
joe rogan
That October 8th?
chris distefano
That October 8th.
Palestinians moved in October 8th.
joe rogan
Boy, they move quick.
chris distefano
Yeah, they came right in.
joe rogan
I see the writing on the wall.
yannis pappas
Well, they see that they're in a place where they can accomplish it.
So they're like, we can actually live there.
And they just do it.
chris distefano
So they moved in big.
And my neighbors were kind of mad that we just picked up and left.
But what can you do?
I had to go.
I had to move to Queens.
joe rogan
You didn't have to.
chris distefano
No.
joe rogan
You should have called somebody.
That's the time you should call me.
chris distefano
Well, now I know.
joe rogan
Yeah, please do.
I'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You're like, you're right, you're right.
chris distefano
Yeah, right.
As soon as we get out of here, I'm going to call my accountant and see if we can rescind that offer, or are we locked in legally?
Because I just found out Chad should be teased liar!
joe rogan
Do you get panicky?
chris distefano
Oh yeah, I get real panicky.
joe rogan
I get real panicky.
chris distefano
I still do it because I think I don't do drugs.
My father was a compulsive gambler and told me never to gamble, so I thought I escaped because I don't know anything about cards and sports gambling.
I don't know anything about it.
joe rogan
You do it with life choices.
chris distefano
Yes, which is kind of a little riskier.
joe rogan
A lot of people do.
A lot of life choices.
There's gamblers out there.
chris distefano
But now I'm looking for peace.
I'm looking for my path to peace, so I'm trying to just, you know, be peace.
yannis pappas
Radical acceptance.
chris distefano
Radical acceptance.
Being friendly with my present, being gentle with life.
Therapy is bad.
We're trying, baby.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scary.
Just run mountains or something.
unidentified
That's what it is.
chris distefano
Well, I tried to, but I got a bad Achilles.
joe rogan
That can be fixed.
chris distefano
I know, but I've been trying for six months.
joe rogan
What's wrong with your Achilles?
chris distefano
I don't know, man.
It hurts.
Well, I have tendinosis in the Achilles, and they did the x-ray, and they see some scar tissue in there, so they actually told me...
joe rogan
Why don't you get stem cells?
chris distefano
Well, I can't get them in New York.
joe rogan
You can get them here.
chris distefano
Here?
I'll come down here.
They told me PRP. That'll help, too.
Spin the blood.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, platelet-rich plasma.
chris distefano
Yeah, I'll do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you should get stem cells while you're here.
How long are you in town for?
chris distefano
I go home tonight.
Damn, but I can come back.
joe rogan
Okay, come back.
Are you booked at the club any time?
chris distefano
Uh, no.
joe rogan
You should come back, and when you come back, we'll set it up to go to Waste Well.
chris distefano
Okay.
Yeah, and I'll get a little stem cells.
joe rogan
Because a buddy of mine, my friend Evan, had a fucked up Achilles.
It was bothering him for years, and he got stem cell today, gone, pained out.
chris distefano
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was bothering him for years.
chris distefano
That's me.
I've been two years with this.
I have a growth on the back of my heel.
joe rogan
Oh, from the bone?
chris distefano
Yeah, like the bone spur.
joe rogan
Getting irritated?
chris distefano
Yep, yep, and it's all fucked up.
But I do have a clean colon.
I had two polyps, but under three centimeters, we're good to go, baby.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
chris distefano
Clean ass, so does he.
We got our colonoscopies a month apart.
yannis pappas
Everyone should get a colonoscopy starting at 40. Everyone should get it.
It's on the rise.
joe rogan
You know what you could really do?
You could do a comprehensive blood screen to test you for all cancers, not just asshole cancer.
Well, they have that now.
It's a lot easier and it's better.
chris distefano
You never did a colonoscopy?
joe rogan
I had one once.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
How dare you bring it up?
yannis pappas
Why?
What's wrong with it?
joe rogan
Nothing.
unidentified
It's fine.
chris distefano
I didn't wake up that hard.
joe rogan
I think that if you go...
I didn't have a colonoscopy, no.
I had an exam where they go in there with their fingers.
I didn't go in there with a...
yannis pappas
They didn't put the scope in there?
joe rogan
No.
yannis pappas
He woke up during his because he liked it.
chris distefano
I woke up.
I swear to God.
I wasn't even hard.
I'm not even fucking around.
I woke up in the middle of it because I just knew something was in my ass.
unidentified
I woke up.
Yeah.
chris distefano
I woke up.
I went, Mateo?
joe rogan
But they can screen you with this, I forget what it's called.
They do that at Ways to Well, too.
They send it off to a lab.
They take your blood and they screen you for like a hundred kinds of cancer.
chris distefano
Right.
That's the way to go.
yannis pappas
They got the full body skins now too.
joe rogan
They're trying to attach, there was some paper that I was reading that was trying to attach cooking oils with cancer.
Specific kinds of cooking oils in colon cancer.
Specific types of seed oils that things are cooked in and the prevalence of that and the human diet and how it's contributing to cancer.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Well, calling cancer is on the rise.
chris distefano
Why is this stuff not available in New York?
Why can you only do this kind of stuff in Texas?
joe rogan
You could do it in New York.
I guarantee you.
You just don't know the right people.
You probably can't do stem cells to the extent.
There's not a lot of these clinics because of a lot of FDA regulations.
Utah's a really good state for it.
They have much looser regulations.
But a lot of people wind up going to Mexico.
There's a place in Mexico that's called the CPI, Cellular Performance Institute.
A lot of UFC fighters go there because They have an arrangement with the UFC. You could do wild shit down in Mexico.
chris distefano
That's what Aaron Rodgers did, right?
With his Achilles.
He went down there and got the stem cells.
He's good to go.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
He actually got treated here.
He got treated at Wastewell.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Aaron Rodgers did.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I should just go.
Yeah, you definitely should.
If I had known that you had that issue, I would have gotten you in early this morning.
chris distefano
Oh, thank you.
joe rogan
Fuck.
chris distefano
I'll come back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ron White actually just went in.
He hurt himself doing yoga.
And he fucked up his ankle.
They just treated him.
chris distefano
And now he's good.
joe rogan
Well, he just got it yesterday.
It's going to take a while before it's better.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
But it will get you better.
A lot quicker than not having it.
That's for damn sure.
I know a lot of people that have had pretty serious issues cleared up.
chris distefano
Like torn Achilles.
joe rogan
Yeah, torn ligaments.
As long as it's not fully torn.
chris distefano
No.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Then you definitely need surgery.
You know, Achilles is a bad one, because it's like, God, there's so much torque on that when you're moving, and then you've got to screw it back down to your bone, and then it's got to heal, and make sure you strengthen it enough before you start using it, so you have to be real diligent about your rehab.
Like, look how long it took Aaron Rodgers, and he has state-of-the-art access to Ways to well.
And he was way ahead of the curve.
Way ahead of what it takes most people to do.
But even then, he couldn't really play play that year.
He had to wait until it was, you know, like the next season.
yannis pappas
Those used to be like career ending.
joe rogan
Yep.
chris distefano
And now he's good.
yannis pappas
Now they're just...
chris distefano
I've been doing calf exercises and strengthening all around, and it's just like a year and a half.
I'm like, dude, the pain is still there if I explode too much.
What am I going to do?
I've got horrific feet, Joe.
My feet are horrific.
My toes cross over.
I have no arches.
I have feet that look like they should be shoved into high heels.
joe rogan
Have you ever worked out with barefoot shoes?
You know those like minimalist?
yannis pappas
They have to custom make them for his feet.
chris distefano
You know when you put your toe into each individual hole?
joe rogan
No, no, I don't mean that.
You can get those too.
Those are like the barefoot shoes.
chris distefano
Those help?
joe rogan
Yeah, those are okay.
Those are good.
The toe shoes, I used to have those.
But the ones I really like are they have a wide toe box so your feet spread out and there's very minimal amount of sole just to kind of protect you from sharp things you stand on.
But it allows your toes to move as individual units.
So a regular shoe acts as like a cast.
Like if you have like a thick soled boot and like a hard surface your foot sits on, it's like a cast.
So your toes aren't really working.
Your legs are picking it up, but your foot is basically atrophying inside that.
And then if you work out barefoot, and especially if you work out and you do something explosive, like jumping and stuff with barefoot, then you're using your feet the way they're supposed to be used.
All the muscles strengthen.
Got it.
unidentified
Got it.
joe rogan
A lot of people have very, very weak feet.
chris distefano
Yeah, I can't even move my toes individually.
Like, if you, like Chris, move your toe, I'll go like this.
joe rogan
You can't do this?
chris distefano
No, I can't do it.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's crazy.
chris distefano
I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, it's horrible.
joe rogan
You should probably take care of that before it gets bad.
unidentified
See?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the only thing.
chris distefano
Go ahead, ask me to move my toe.
Say, move my toe.
Say, Chris, move your toe.
Somebody say it.
joe rogan
Move your toe.
jamie vernon
You have basketball feet like I do.
chris distefano
That's all I could do, you see?
joe rogan
LeBron's feet are like that, too.
Did you play a lot of basketball?
chris distefano
I did, yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe that's it.
Maybe it's all that smushing in the shoe.
chris distefano
It could be.
joe rogan
Is that what it is, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Yeah, definitely.
unidentified
I had to wear extra pairs of socks up until I was 18. Yeah, put that fucking hoof back in the sheath.
chris distefano
But then you see on the ankle here, I got a little bony.
joe rogan
That's where it's fucked up.
chris distefano
But I do have good hamstring flexibility, not bad.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
Congratulations on that.
chris distefano
Thank you, sir.
joe rogan
LeBron's free to evil-looking.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris distefano
He hasn't been playing, right?
Did he come back to the NBA yet?
jamie vernon
He just missed two games.
chris distefano
Oh.
Is he coming back?
What happened?
Was he hurt?
jamie vernon
Whatever.
Who knows?
He needed time to get his body right.
chris distefano
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, time out.
Who knows?
Anybody who takes out of anything now, people are like, Diddy!
It's crazy, dude.
joe rogan
Imagine him regretting saying, there's his feet.
jamie vernon
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Just smashed up.
chris distefano
Pinky toes.
unidentified
A lot of kickboxers have feet like that, too.
joe rogan
Feet all fucked up.
jamie vernon
Brutal!
joe rogan
Imagine how many...
I mean, think about kickboxers, how many elbows they've kicked.
Like, Jon Jones can't even fight unless he has his big toe on his left foot taped to his next toe.
He has to have it taped up because he tore his toe completely upside down when he was beating up Chael Sonnen.
And he didn't realize it until I was interviewing him after the fight.
And then he looks down and sees his toe.
He's like...
He freaks out and he has to sit down.
yannis pappas
The adrenaline, he didn't even feel it.
joe rogan
Didn't even feel it.
His toe was upside down.
The bottom of his toe was facing up.
It was horrible.
yannis pappas
I would probably say one-on-one him, anyone in history, just because of how skilled he is.
joe rogan
That's what his foot looked like.
yannis pappas
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
unidentified
Yo!
joe rogan
It was crazy.
chris distefano
So you noticed it first, though?
joe rogan
No, I think he did.
I think he noticed it.
I think he looked down.
yannis pappas
Oh god!
joe rogan
Yeah.
He destroyed his toe.
chris distefano
So what happened?
It twisted all the way around?
joe rogan
That's from the force of beating the fuck out of Chael Sonnen.
That's what that's from.
Like, ground and pound, when he had him on the ground, just smashing down on him.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
Somebody isolated the moment his toe curls over.
You could see it in, like, the replay.
The moment his toe, just the amount of torque he was putting on to try to kill Chael Sonnen.
yannis pappas
Is he doing proria or aspinol?
joe rogan
Aspinol.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's going to be aspinol.
I think they're trying to come to some sort of an agreement.
The rumor is that he wants $30 million, and the UFC's gonna pay it.
Hopefully.
I hope they pay it.
yannis pappas
I agree with him.
Him and Pereira would be the fight everyone wants to see.
joe rogan
Perhaps.
yannis pappas
Because he's been so dominant that kid.
joe rogan
Yeah, perhaps.
Perhaps.
I mean, if it's going to happen, they're both 37. It should probably happen soon.
But John is, you know, the heavyweight champion of the world, and Pereira has challengers in the light heavyweight division, especially Ankoliyev.
He's supposed to be fighting Ankoliyev.
Ankoliyev is fucking very dangerous.
And he's, I think he's the number one contender.
And he's been on a winning streak for a long-ass time.
He's only got one draw, and that was to Jan Blachowicz, who was the former champion.
So he's like at the top of the heap, and he's been waiting for a title shot for a long time.
But he's been talking a lot of shit, and Alex doesn't like that he talks shit.
So he's like, fuck him, make him wait.
And so I think Alex just said that he's gonna fight in March, and that he's not gonna fight Ankoliyev.
Because if he's fighting in March, when is Ramadan?
yannis pappas
You're asking the wrong guy.
unidentified
I thought you'd be the guy.
yannis pappas
I thought you'd be the guy.
joe rogan
I know, but I thought you would know.
chris distefano
I think it's in the...
joe rogan
February 28th.
Okay, so he wouldn't be able to fight.
Ankhlaev wouldn't be able to fight in March because if it's like March 3rd and he's got to go through the entire month of Ramadan preparing for a world title fight, February 28th and it ends Saturday, March 29th.
See, that's exactly during the time period where he's going to fight.
chris distefano
And with Ramadan, for the whole month you can only drink water?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You definitely can drink water and eat food, but you can only do it after sundown.
So, Bilal Muhammad, who's the UFC welterweight champion, he observes Ramadan and he was training and fighting.
He'd have to take a fight during Ramadan, so what he would do is he would get up at like 4.30 in the morning before it was dark out, before it was light out rather, and he'd have a big meal.
And then he would go to the gym and then he would have no water at the gym, nothing.
And then at the end of the day, and also he also didn't sleep during the day.
Like a lot of them, like their hack of that is they just sleep during the day and train and eat at night.
But he said that if you do that, then you miss out on the religious suffering, which he thinks is very important for Ramadan.
So he would do it the way you're supposed to do it where he worked out with no water.
Trained.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
And then he would finally get to the nighttime session.
He'd be able to eat and then have a nighttime training session like a little later than normal.
And so that's how he would do his day.
unidentified
Wow.
yannis pappas
That's why these dudes are dominating.
They're just tougher.
unidentified
Discipline.
yannis pappas
He started working with the Dagestani guys, right?
And then he just turned into a beast.
joe rogan
Well, those guys are hard fucking core.
They want no distractions, no women, no bullshit.
Get off your phone.
Let's go to work.
chris distefano
They're probably not jerking off, if we're being honest.
Probably.
They keep fuel, they keep it loaded up.
Keep a loaded glue gun.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
yannis pappas
Right?
chris distefano
That's something about having a loaded glue gun, right?
When you're going into the ring, you want to be glued up, full of glue.
joe rogan
Some people believe that.
Yeah, some people believe that you're not supposed to ejaculate within a couple weeks of a big fight.
yannis pappas
Didn't you not masturbate out of respect at 9-11?
chris distefano
That is true.
yannis pappas
What was it?
chris distefano
Well, I wanted to go until we found Bin Laden, the perpetrator, but obviously that was too long, but I did go until October 1st.
From 9-11 to October 1, I said, as of my respect back to this country and patriotism, I'm not going to glue at all until we get out of this month of September.
joe rogan
Didn't Louis have a joke about he waited until the second tower fell?
chris distefano
Probably.
joe rogan
Like he jerked off.
chris distefano
It's funny.
joe rogan
I think it was a joke.
He didn't make it until the second power fell.
chris distefano
Yeah.
Dude, I remember there was like a vigil like on September 18th or whatever, like a week later in like my neighborhood and I was playing basketball.
I was a basketball player and I was playing in the park and I remember when I left, everyone was just standing outside their house with like American flags and candles and I wouldn't dribble my basketball because I was like, I think like a sound or any type of dribble of a ball.
Disrespectful.
Disrespectful.
And then a guy gave me a flag as I was walking, as if to say, take one of these as you're walking home, and I just walked with that flag.
I love our fucking country big, Joe.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Jesus.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
I just love it, and I hate when people talk shit about it.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
Well, get ready.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's coming.
yannis pappas
We got some drones.
joe rogan
Listen to Joy Reid.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
We should try to swap those things out of the air.
joe rogan
What do you think they are, if you had a guess?
yannis pappas
I think they are...
I was joking about the AI thing.
I think they're Chinese.
I don't want to say this on such a big podcast.
I'm available to the CCP for whatever they need me to do.
Disinformation will do it.
chris distefano
I think that they are sniffing the radiation.
I think that that's the most plausible.
I don't know if they know about it, if not, but I think they're probably looking for radiation.
I don't know if that nukes necessarily going off, but I think that's probably what it is.
If I had to just guess.
If I really had to guess.
yannis pappas
I think they're being launched from submarines underwater.
Yes.
joe rogan
Well that's what's crazy is like if that's the case, how many submarines and how big are these submarines, because these things are the size of an SUV, and some of them were coming from some like untrackable distance offshore, like 50 plus miles offshore, and they're the size of an SUV and they could stay in the air for five hours.
So what's the power source?
And then the other problem is they don't exhibit a heat signature like a regular drone does.
So do they have some sort of cooling?
yannis pappas
Is that why they can't track them?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're having a hard time tracking them because of that.
They're having a hard time tracking them with infrared.
They don't know why they can stay in the sky for five hours at a time.
Ryan Graves, who's a fighter pilot, was on the other day.
He was explaining to us there's certain aspects to some of these drones that are above state-of-the-art.
They're doing things that we can't do.
The big one is the flying for that many hours.
That's crazy.
The heat signature part, that's crazy.
All the jammers and all different things they try to do to find the signal that's on, none of that works.
chris distefano
What does he think it is then?
yannis pappas
Why don't they just knock one out of the air?
That's what I don't understand.
joe rogan
That's a good question.
yannis pappas
That's what makes me skeptical to think that...
chris distefano
Does he think it's government?
joe rogan
I sent you something earlier today, Jamie, that I knew this subject was going to come up.
About it.
I don't know.
There's also some stuff, like, is it real?
I don't know if it's real.
I don't know what we're looking at, but there's some stuff with, like, these orbs that they're filming.
chris distefano
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And they've zoomed in on them.
And you look at the zoomed-in version of it, you're like, what the fuck is that?
Like, what is that goddamn thing?
unidentified
Yeah.
yannis pappas
We just don't know if it's real or not.
joe rogan
FAA bans drones in parts of New Jersey, threatens deadly force for imminent security threat.
These areas have all now been deemed national defense airspace.
unidentified
The National Aviation Administration issued bans on flying drones in multiple cities across New Jersey, including several in our area due to security reasons.
These areas are all now considered national defense airspace.
Here's a map of those sites.
The city of Camden, Gloucester City, Winslow Township, Evesham, Hancocks Bridge and Lower Alloways Township in Salem County, West Hampton, Burlington and Hamilton.
Unmanned aircraft are not allowed in those areas through January 17th unless approved by the federal government.
The FAA says pilots who violate the airspace, meaning pilots on the ground as well, may be detained and interviewed by law enforcement.
The agency warns that the U.S. government may use deadly force against drones it deems an imminent threat.
These restrictions come just days after the FBI released a joint government statement saying most of the reported drone sightings were just airplanes, manned drones, and stars in the sky.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
Listen, Donald Trump is not giving press conferences about airplanes and stars in the sky.
chris distefano
Right.
joe rogan
Do you don't think that he knows something more than that?
chris distefano
I was going to ask, do you think he knows?
joe rogan
He's not staying at his golf course.
He wouldn't go to his golf course because they were hovering over the golf course.
There's a real problem.
This gaslighting is not helping anybody.
chris distefano
Do you think it just goes out of the news one day or we will get an answer as the public?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I would never have guessed that it would be this big of a deal for so long.
How long has it been going on?
chris distefano
Since early November or mid-November, I think.
yannis pappas
Yeah, around Thanksgiving.
And it's been the same...
Isn't it been like the same type of year, same time of year, like for a couple of years that this has been happening?
chris distefano
But not like this.
It's never gone to national news.
yannis pappas
No, not this many.
But they were going over military bases.
chris distefano
And now they're just going over New Jersey.
joe rogan
Jamie, pull the video up of the one that I got on my Instagram.
So I took this one from...
I forget what the...
Instagram pages, but it's up on the page to give them a shout out.
I don't know what this is.
I don't know if this is fake.
This is the one we were looking at earlier.
I showed it to these guys in the green room last night.
We were all freaking out.
Like, okay, what is that?
The way the goddamn thing moves.
chris distefano
That's my favorite meme of you.
joe rogan
So click on it so we can hear it.
unidentified
That meme gets used for so many different things.
joe rogan
Listen to these guys talking when they're talking.
There's no clouds!
unidentified
Quiet!
joe rogan
So you see this thing...
unidentified
Look at it on the camera.
jamie vernon
It's like a dome.
joe rogan
So what you're concentrating on is the one on the lower right.
chris distefano
What the fuck?
unidentified
Like literally, dude, that's weird in the sky right there.
joe rogan
So it's moving.
Shut up, shut up!
unidentified
No, that's not moving quick enough.
There's no tail.
That's a UFO. Look, something's coming off!
What the fuck?
joe rogan
So when it gets above, this is where it gets weird.
Because it's slowly rising.
It gets above that other thing, which might be the moon.
I'm not sure what that other thing is.
I think it's the moon.
So that other thing, it gets above it, and then it starts taking off.
And when it starts taking off, it does it with no sound at a fucking insane rate of speed.
Like, look at that.
unidentified
Oh my God.
yannis pappas
Those guys are reacting like they're watching it.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's real.
It could be fake.
It could be all AI generated.
It's ambiguous and blurry enough, though, that I'm willing to entertain it.
If that's really what they saw, that's a bunch of different people have seen things like that over time.
And this is like the Tic Tac story.
This is the one that Ryan Graves showed us that this lady photographed over Florida.
That these things, and they've seen it on, this is one that was, this was seen by multiple people from different planes, that this thing moved and then shot off into space.
And this lady got photos of it.
But whatever that thing's doing, it's doing something that we can't do.
That speed that that thing takes off, that's faster than any rocket we have.
That's faster than any fighter jet.
That thing just shoots off into space at some impossible speed.
yannis pappas
So it's either us, the drones are either...
Why are they blinking if it's not us?
joe rogan
That one wasn't blinking.
yannis pappas
No, but I mean the drones.
I'm saying the drones are blinking.
So I'm saying if the drones are ours, maybe there's been UFO activity and they're throwing these drones up to try to capture it with better...
joe rogan
Or, what better way to distract people from actual UFOs that you know are going to be all over the sky than to put a bunch of drones up there too?
yannis pappas
That too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you have a bunch of shit that seems like stuff that you've seen, like a drone flying around, and then there's stuff that is impossible with it, that's a good way to cover up the impossible stuff.
Have a bunch of regular drones.
chris distefano
Yeah.
yannis pappas
But at this point, why would they do that?
Everyone's already accepted the fact that UFOs are out there.
joe rogan
Not really.
If there was a big thing where all of a sudden the sky was filled with football field-sized fucking motherships, people would lose their shit.
But if you could slowly get people accustomed to it, the way people got accustomed to masks...
In the beginning, in 2019, if you saw someone with a mask on, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on?
By 2021, why doesn't this guy have a mask on?
Just in a couple of years, everybody was wearing a mask.
We get accustomed to stuff.
If you get accustomed to things being in the sky, and then all of a sudden there's nothing...
Like, you could float anything in the sky.
If you have weirder and weirder drones and then start showing spaceships, people would freak out way less.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
I don't know, dude.
If someone tells me this is a drone, I'm chill.
And if someone shows me a football field-sized spacecraft, I'm gonna freak out.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
That's a big leap.
yannis pappas
In a good way.
joe rogan
But what about one the size of a car?
That's definitely not ours.
yannis pappas
So you think they're just doling them out by size?
joe rogan
If I was going to do that, if I was going to get people prepared for an imminent invasion, like if I knew that there was UFOs on the way, if like we're working at the James Webb Telescope and we get a photo of a mothership and it's heading towards us, it's going to be here in four months.
Yeah.
What would you do?
Well, if I knew that they were going to be sending drones and probes into our atmosphere, and maybe they've already done that, to obscure that, I would put a bunch of our drones up there and have them hover over cities so it doesn't freak people out because you know that that's coming.
yannis pappas
I mean, being freaked out is probably the least of our problems when they come.
joe rogan
Well, collapse of civil society is really possible if aliens show up.
Like, if they just instantaneously showed up, things could completely collapse if we knew that our leaders are just nothing compared to these new things that are visiting us from some other place and doing things that are impossible with our technology.
We're helpless.
We're lost.
We're confused.
They could shut down nuclear power plants.
They can shut down the grid.
They can shut down any weapon systems that we have.
Instantaneously, power goes off.
If all those stories are true, The best way to keep people from absolutely freaking out is to slowly trickle it in on them and get them more and more accustomed to this, like as a psyop.
yannis pappas
How committed are you to this theory?
unidentified
Not very.
joe rogan
Not very.
I go all over the place.
I think, according to someone that I spoke to, And this is someone who has high-level clearance and someone who worked for the government in this capacity.
He said some of these are not.
They're not human.
They're not exhibiting whatever they are.
They're exhibiting technology that is far beyond what we're capable of.
And then there's other ones, like Ryan Graves said, that are beyond state-of-the-art, but you can kind of sort of get that they would be a drone.
But how is it in the air for five hours?
How does it not have a heat signature?
How does it know when other drones are coming near it, when they're flying jets near it, and they just shut the lights off and disappear?
These things are just shutting off.
yannis pappas
Maybe they're alien drones.
It's possible.
unidentified
Fuck.
yannis pappas
Maybe they're just alien drones.
joe rogan
Also, if you were an alien and you wanted to get people accustomed to this without freaking out, wouldn't you start sending drones that are similar to what we have, but just many levels better?
But similar enough, so you go, oh, I know what that is.
yannis pappas
Or they could just get on the TV and get like, hey dudes, we're chill.
If they could get here, they'd know how to speak our language, and they'd just go, hey dudes, we're chill.
chris distefano
They can morph.
yannis pappas
We're coming here.
Or they'd just go, hey guys, it's over.
You guys have seen The Matrix?
We're about to use you for some sort of fuel.
Whatever they're going to do.
chris distefano
Or maybe they're not going to be mean to us at all.
That's possible too.
yannis pappas
If they're that intelligent, they're not mean.
They're not mean.
joe rogan
You mean like us?
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
chris distefano
Or maybe the prison planet thing I said in the beginning of the show, this is how it happens.
joe rogan
Well, you ever heard Bob Lazar talk about one of the most disturbing things that he found?
chris distefano
Why?
No.
joe rogan
One of the most disturbing things when he was doing the back engineering program on this supposed crashed alien spaceship or recovered alien spaceship was that they had a thick binder that was about religion.
And the thing, we'll have him play it.
We'll have him play it, because it's one of those ones we've played a few times.
unidentified
But the Bob Lazar story is the craziest.
joe rogan
Because if he was telling the truth, and it seems like he's definitely telling the truth about a lot, he definitely worked at Los Alamos Labs, he was on the employee roster, he has a detailed understanding of the building, he knew all the security people when they took him there, when George Knapp took him on a tour through there.
He definitely worked there, and he definitely was a propulsions expert.
And he says they hired him to go and try to figure out this fucking thing.
Here, listen to this.
bob lazar
The hardcore thing is that there is an extremely classified document dealing with religion, and it's about that second period.
But why would there be any classified material dealing with religion?
yannis pappas
I want to go back to the religion thing.
unidentified
I want you to say it.
It's just, it's so far out.
Alright, your objection has been noted.
What does it say?
That we're containers.
That's how supposedly the aliens look at us.
That we are nothing but containers.
Containers of?
Containers.
Maybe containers of souls.
bob lazar
You can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers.
unidentified
And that's how we're mentioned in the documents.
bob lazar
That religion was specifically created So we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers.
joe rogan
That's George Now, by the way.
Shout out to George Now.
yannis pappas
I'm too freaked out.
chris distefano
But it's kind of what you were talking about.
The prison planet theory doesn't seem so crazy if the advanced alien race is eating our negative emotions.
Just don't be negative.
And you'll be safe, dude.
Just be happy.
That's what they've been trying to tell you.
Bar Marley, everybody's been trying to tell you this.
joe rogan
What is this, Jamie?
What are you showing me here?
jamie vernon
I believe that video you posted is from April.
joe rogan
April 12, 2024, Mountain Standard Time in eastern Arizona off the Black River in the White Mountains, the Fort Apache Indian Reservation.
Oh, by the way, my friend Cam Haines, he hunts at one of the Apache reservations.
He says they see them there all the time.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He said they see crazy shit in the sky all the time.
These guys are hunting out there in this enormous reservation, like unbelievable, pristine forest land.
He said they see crazy shit, and they just accept it, that it's true.
chris distefano
Right, I believe that.
joe rogan
Most of the guys working there have seen something.
chris distefano
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me.
joe rogan
That's also where Travis Walton, this guy, that was in Arizona too, wasn't it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
This version of the video, you can almost make out the moon.
I don't know if this is better because it's been reposted less, but...
joe rogan
It does look better.
It definitely looks better.
So this is the same thing.
yannis pappas
Are you freaked out by this?
joe rogan
100%.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not enough that it's gonna fuck up my day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Because it freaks me out, but it's not freaking me out like I can't sleep.
chris distefano
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's freaking me out.
Like, Ukraine freaks me out where I can't sleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, that stuff freaks me out.
The looking for a nuke on the East Coast, that freaks me out where I'll fuck with my sleep.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If I think about that before I go to bed, The one thing that I genuinely...
Here it takes off.
Let's take a look at it while it's taking off.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And this is the thing.
It's like, there's no sound.
Look how fast it's going.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what can go that fast?
What the fuck can go that fast?
yannis pappas
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That is insane.
That has to be...
I don't want to guess how many thousands of miles an hour that thing is going.
But if you are a person inside, you're jello.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you're going that fast...
yannis pappas
Paul Verzi's dad and mom saw it, and it was not only the dad, mom.
It was like...
An aunt.
They were all there.
And I asked his mom.
She's like a religious person.
And she said, yeah.
And they said it was low, had lights on it.
The father.
And the father is, you know, a Bronx Italian guy.
chris distefano
He's a funny guy, yeah.
yannis pappas
And he said he doesn't believe in that stuff.
And it was low, like above the tree line.
He made it out.
It was a saucer.
And then he said it shot up and turned into a dot in the sky.
chris distefano
And this was in the 80s or something.
joe rogan
Did you guys ever hear the Betty and Barney Hill story?
chris distefano
No.
joe rogan
Betty and Barney Hill were a couple in, I think it was the 1950s?
yannis pappas
Oh yes, I know the story.
joe rogan
They were the first abduction story.
And they did hypnotic regression and they both had the same story.
They saw something in the sky, they pulled over their car and then they woke up and they don't know what the fuck happened.
But they were haunted by this and they have hypnotic regression and they tell this crazy story about being...
Taking aboard this craft.
It's very similar to Travis Walton story.
It's very similar to a bunch of stories of abduction.
chris distefano
And what is this?
Like they get tested on?
Or they just don't remember anything?
joe rogan
You know, it's hard to say when you're dealing with hypnotic...
Because the thing about these when you're recalling things through hypnosis is like people are very susceptible to someone imparting a memory into them.
So you'd have to know, like, what was the process like in which you interviewed these people?
But John Mack, who was a psychologist from Harvard, wrote a book called Abduction that I read in the 1990s that detailed all the different people that he worked on, that he was, you know, having these hypnotic regression sessions with these people.
And they were all telling these similar stories about being abducted.
And that he believed that there was a few people on Earth where they would revisit.
They would find, just like we do with animals, where we put collars on them, right?
They catch, like, a mountain lion.
They'll put a collar on that mountain lion so they can understand where the mountain lion's going, where his terrain is.
They do it with wolves when they relocate them.
They put collars on them so they know where they are all the time.
And it makes sense that they would probably want to understand us, so they would pick certain ones.
And if they had a way to silence your memories and, you know, completely put you in some sort of a state where they could manipulate you and take you to some place and do examinations on you and then put you back with no memory of it other than these, like, weird nightmares.
That makes sense.
yannis pappas
Well, it shows that they're compassionate if they put you back.
joe rogan
I guess, or that this is how they study you.
They want to know.
I mean, there's no stories of them stealing people, right?
They always bring you back.
But if that's real, what's the purpose of it?
What are they doing?
I would imagine they're studying us the same.
And the chimps had no idea we studied them.
Like, we would do that.
Instead, we'd dart them.
We'd dart them.
And then they'd wake up, like, what the fuck?
That's how we do it.
And they would probably do it in a real similar way, just more sophisticated.
yannis pappas
How about that other adduction story about those guys?
They were like those rural guys in the 70s or something?
joe rogan
Travis Walton.
That's the Arizona story, the logger.
yannis pappas
Those guys, I believe them.
joe rogan
That story is crazy because the other guys in the truck, one of the guys hated him.
He got in a fist fight with that guy the day of the abduction.
He still told the same story that everybody told.
He walked up to this craft.
They saw it flying through the air.
Wasn't that in Arizona, too?
Was it Travis Walton case in Arizona?
I believe it was.
Arizona's a hot spot for it.
I mean, that's the Phoenix Lights.
yannis pappas
Phoenix Lights was crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
yannis pappas
Crazy.
chris distefano
And a lot of people saw that one.
joe rogan
Thousands of people saw it, including the fucking governor.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
So then why is this one catching on in the news?
joe rogan
Because it's more.
This is more prevalent, and it's lasting for days and days and days.
chris distefano
Got it.
joe rogan
And I don't know.
I don't know what's going on.
yannis pappas
Do you think they just want to be there for the inauguration?
joe rogan
Ah!
chris distefano
Probably.
joe rogan
Well, they're really early.
They're like fucking tailgating.
yannis pappas
Yeah, they're tailgating.
We're going to be tailgating the inauguration.
chris distefano
We're going to be there.
yannis pappas
We're going to be there.
chris distefano
We're going to be close.
unidentified
July...
yannis pappas
I'm sorry.
chris distefano
January 18th, we're doing a show in Washington, D.C. at the Lincoln Theater, our Historiania's live show, and we're like...
joe rogan
Bring a Geiger counter.
chris distefano
Well, we said, we were like, why?
Two days before the inauguration, we were like, what the fuck are we doing?
yannis pappas
Yeah, we're doing a live, the first live history hyena show.
unidentified
January 18th.
yannis pappas
January 18th, Washington, D.C. In D.C., it'll be fine.
joe rogan
It's a good time to do it.
chris distefano
I mean, but we were like, fuck it.
Oh, who knows?
joe rogan
Better than January 21st.
That one, I wouldn't count on being there.
chris distefano
We're doing it at 5 o'clock in the afternoon.
I like doing earlier shows now.
You ever do that?
You ever do like a 5 p.m.?
joe rogan
No.
chris distefano
We think that's where the world's going.
We don't think people want to be out until midnight, 1 a.m.
anymore.
What do you think?
You think that's stupid?
You think earlier shows work?
Would you experiment with them?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, sure.
I mean, Bert Kreischer's always done afternoon shows, like Take the Day Off Work show.
He's done a bunch of those.
Yeah, Bert's been doing those for years.
chris distefano
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, Doug Stanhope does those day drinking shows.
He actually filmed one at the Mothership.
chris distefano
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Did some day drinking shows.
Yeah, I mean, why not?
I mean, the club is there all day long.
Why not have shows during the day if you want to?
chris distefano
If you want, if you can sell them.
joe rogan
Especially if it's dark out.
The club's dark as shit.
It's dark when it's noon, you know?
It's like you could totally have the same experience at noon that you could at night, but it seems like at nighttime people are off work, you get a couple of cocktails, get a little loose, sit in the dark, have a good time.
chris distefano
But on a Saturday, sometimes I feel like people just sit around all day and wait for the show.
If you can put it at 5 o'clock, why not?
joe rogan
Look, that's why they like to go to football games, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
During the afternoon?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you certainly could.
You certainly could have day shows.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you have a big name, you know, someone, they're willing to do something.
unidentified
Yeah, big, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, most people like to go out at night, you know, like to go to dinner, get a couple drinks, go to a show.
That's a nighttime thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's just, they're just accustomed to it, especially if it's Saturday or Sunday.
chris distefano
Yeah.
joe rogan
You totally could get away with it.
chris distefano
I'm just a morning baby.
I like to wake up early, and then I like to- What time do you get up?
I'm a 6 a.m.
little baby boy that wakes up- How long before you look at your phone?
I used to look at it right away, but now I give myself 15 minutes.
joe rogan
15 solid minutes?
chris distefano
I give 15 minutes and I get my feet on the floor.
unidentified
What if you have to piss?
joe rogan
You don't piss without your phone.
Stop lying.
chris distefano
Let me think about that.
joe rogan
If you get up in the middle of the night to piss, do you grab your phone?
chris distefano
That I don't do, because I'm in a slumber, so it's kind of like I'm in a slumber state of piss.
But you're right, when I do get up, when I do get...
Actually, I never really have to piss in the morning when I wake up, because I do piss in the middle of the night.
But that is a good point.
I typically, if I have to piss, I do take my phone.
That's a good point.
But mostly, if I don't have to piss, I will go 15 minutes, I try to do it.
And I just try to breathe.
And get friendly with the present.
joe rogan
Get friendly with the present.
chris distefano
You gotta do it, baby.
yannis pappas
Do you do any meditation or mindfulness stuff?
joe rogan
Sure, yeah.
yannis pappas
It's so good.
chris distefano
Every day?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I do a lot of different things that also act like that.
Like my time in the sauna, I think that's very meditative.
You know, especially when I'm just concentrating on breathing and getting through the last 10-15 minutes.
Cold plunge, I think that's a very meditative state too because you have to be in control of your emotions and your anxiety because you want to get the fuck out of there and you have to just stare at the clock.
You know, and make sure you do your time, but also other things that I do, yeah.
chris distefano
What do you stay?
How long in the cold plunge?
joe rogan
Three minutes.
chris distefano
Three minutes, not bad.
Yeah.
I can't even do a cold shower.
yannis pappas
Dude, I can't believe we're doing maybe the last podcast on Earth after an alien invasion is coming.
joe rogan
I don't think aliens are going to stop podcasting.
I think they like podcasts.
yannis pappas
They like it, right?
They're going to love yours for sure.
joe rogan
You're an advocate for them.
Yes, I'm on their side.
Come visit me.
I'm shocked they haven't visited me yet.
I'm upset.
chris distefano
Maybe they'll come.
yannis pappas
You wouldn't be freaked out, right?
joe rogan
I'd definitely be freaked out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, how do you not be freaked out when you're confronted with the thing that everybody's wondered forever?
Are we alone?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you know you're definitely not alone, no matter who you are and what you say, I don't care if you're the baddest motherfucker on the planet, you run into an alien, you're going to freak out.
yannis pappas
But why is that not comforting?
Like, I'm a kid who doesn't like loneliness and it'd be nice to know that there's other things out there.
joe rogan
What if they're completely indifferent to us?
What if they've completely eliminated emotion and they're cold and calculated like a computer?
yannis pappas
We have those here.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're not telling you what you can and can't do with your life.
They're not shutting down your power grid.
They're not like coming over to rule over humanity.
That's the worry.
The worry is that they rule over us the way we rule over countries.
yannis pappas
But maybe they do a better job.
unidentified
Maybe.
Yeah.
yannis pappas
I mean, what's the worst they could do, really?
unidentified
Look at you.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
chris distefano
What's the worst that could happen?
What does Chad GPT say about it in the natives?
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
We asked Chad GPT the other day.
chris distefano
What do they say?
joe rogan
If the Tic Tac was a UFO. We kept, like, beating it down.
I ask it more and more questions.
It's exhibiting something.
What are the possibilities?
If it is extraterrestrial, where would it come from?
It gave us a list of star systems that are close by.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Yeah, you keep pestering.
jamie vernon
I kept going with it.
I asked it to make an artistic rendition of what I thought it would look like.
joe rogan
What the Tic Tac looked like?
Yo!
jamie vernon
At first they made it huge, and I was like, that's a little too big, isn't it?
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe, but not big as those mothership ones.
I don't know what it is, but it's fun.
I like all this.
I like all this chaos.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's fun.
I enjoy it when things get real sideways for some strange reason.
yannis pappas
They were also probably been coming forever.
Just now everyone's got phones and now they're just capturing them.
joe rogan
I think it's in the Bible.
I think the Ezekiel story in the Bible is an alien visitation.
chris distefano
What is that they're saying?
They talk about these lights?
joe rogan
Talks about a wheel within a wheel.
The way Ezekiel describes this vision that he sees, like something that had multiple different animal heads on it and different...
He describes it as a wheel within a wheel.
The way he's describing, you would imagine if you saw something beyond your fucking wildest imagination, and then you tried years later to write this down, or not even write it down, right?
It was told as an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written.
Who knows what the actual event was that he described, but there's a lot of ancient religious texts, including the Vimanas from the Bhagavad Gita, all these different stories of things flying in the air that exhibit extraordinary flight characteristics.
That move the way we describe UFOs.
chris distefano
So that's a good point then.
Just because we have the capability to film this and know about it now, doesn't mean that they're going to expose themselves because they've been doing this for thousands of years.
joe rogan
If you read Jacques Vallée's books on it, Jacques Vallée is the guy, he's a scientist that they...
He was the reason why they had that French guy in Close Encounters, the third count.
You ever see that?
Close Encounters?
Steven Spielberg?
yannis pappas
Long time ago.
joe rogan
Great fucking movie.
But there was this French scientist they bring in to try to help people get through this.
It's based on Jacques Vallée.
He was a podcast guest.
Very cagey.
Didn't answer a lot of questions.
chris distefano
Okay.
joe rogan
Probed him a lot.
But his books are fascinating.
And one of the things about his books...
I've read the first one.
I'm into the second one right now.
In the first one, he goes into detail about...
Through the 1700s, 1800s, all these different sightings, all these different experiences that people documented in news stories, and they're all super similar, man.
Similar enough that different versions of it, you could kind of attribute it to different people lacking the words to adequately explain some super paranormal, bizarre experience.
But real similar.
I think they've probably always been here.
If they're real, if we are visited by something that's either interdimensional or from another planet, they've probably been doing this for a long fucking time, monitoring us the same way we monitor animals on this planet.
chris distefano
And they'll never, maybe never say who they really are.
joe rogan
Well, maybe they're getting ready to because we're about to unleash these fucking quantum computers and AI, and maybe that is the thing that they're here to make sure goes smoothly.
Right.
Because if you had to imagine one thing that would completely change the capability of this race of savage, barbarian, territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons, which is what we are, you would, like, right when they're about to achieve godlike powers, Like, let's, like, hover.
unidentified
Wow.
yannis pappas
That makes sense.
It really does make sense when you put it into that context, which is actually reality.
That we are about...
We are on the precipice of something that is so unimaginable.
joe rogan
Bigger than the split of the atom.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Bigger than anything.
Like, literally something...
yannis pappas
You're blowing my mind right now.
Yeah, I mean, we really...
When you think so...
chris distefano
Your anxiety is going to go up.
yannis pappas
Well no, my anxiety is about stupid stuff, which is weird.
This stuff just doesn't bother me, but I get bothered by stupid stuff.
What is wrong with this?
joe rogan
Because this stuff is not genuinely affecting you right now.
If it was, if it was inescapable, if it was hovering over this building right now, we wouldn't be able to have a podcast.
We'd all be outside.
We'd be going, what the fuck, man?
If there's some silent thing that's three miles long that's blocking out the sky and it's hovering, you know, 300 yards above us, we would all be freaking the fuck out.
chris distefano
Right.
yannis pappas
So, my question is, like, Elon Musk probably has, like, what?
IQ of like 140 or something?
joe rogan
Probably, at least.
yannis pappas
So, what is ChatGBT's IQ considered now?
joe rogan
Well, once ChatGBT, once they achieve, and they think they're going to be able to do this in 2025, when it achieves artificial general intelligence, I think what it will be is as smart as every human being that's on Earth combined.
See if that's right.
See if that's correct.
chris distefano
What does that mean, artificial general intelligence?
joe rogan
The thing is, whatever it is, it's baby steps.
So whatever that is, this insane leap from us to that, is baby steps in comparison to what it's going to be.
It's not going to stop there.
And if you have...
If you have sentient artificial intelligence and unlimited computing power connected to nuclear power plants like they're going to do, and then it develops a better version of itself and better versions of power and better versions of its programming and all the other things that go along with it and its capabilities, and if ChatGPT is trying to lie and copy itself, what is that thing going to do?
yannis pappas
And they also don't know how it works, right?
Like, I watched that 60 Minutes interview with that sort of godfather of AI, or whatever they consider him, like the guy who first created the biggest component of it, and he says, we don't, the layers thing, and then he was like, they don't know how it works.
They don't know how it works.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't.
yannis pappas
That blows my mind.
joe rogan
It should.
yannis pappas
Yeah.
joe rogan
It should, and that's why the aliens are hovering.
yannis pappas
So is Elon concerned?
Is Elon really concerned about AI? I don't know.
joe rogan
He keeps it under his hat.
I think he's got contracts with NASA, and he's at the Defense Department, and he's running SpaceX.
I don't think he can talk wild about aliens.
There's a lot on the line.
chris distefano
That's what we were saying in the gym the other day.
yannis pappas
Because he doesn't believe in them.
I saw him on your show then, like, I'm not sure of that thing.
joe rogan
He said, they're real, they're very subtle.
I don't know.
chris distefano
Yeah, because people were like, oh, how come he's not commenting on the drones?
He comments on everything.
joe rogan
It's true.
chris distefano
And so, like, what does that tell you?
joe rogan
It tells me something's going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I would be commenting on it.
If I had nothing to do with it, and I was a super genius who comments on everything, I would for sure comment on all these fucking drones.
yannis pappas
Well, there's a lot of them.
My wife saw one.
She videoed it.
It was a drone.
There's a lot of them.
chris distefano
But it could have been a man-made, it could have been like somebody thrown in there.
yannis pappas
Could have been a kid, because a lot of people are probably putting them up in the sky too.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
They're all flying around Austin, I see them.
And they're normal drones.
I've seen them the other night.
Boys, let's wrap this up.
History Hyenas is back.
I'm very happy.
Thank you.
chris distefano
And we're demonetized on YouTube, so we're trying to get re-monetized.
joe rogan
What happened?
What'd you say?
yannis pappas
Dude, who knows?
I don't know.
Why does this happen to me?
I remember the last time they did it to my channel and then you spoke about it and then they re-monetized.
They had suspended me last time.
We don't know because we weren't even active.
joe rogan
The problem is if you get a bunch of haters who flag your videos and complain about them, I think sometimes that can do it.
chris distefano
Yeah, it says harmful content.
We didn't even put it on an episode.
joe rogan
It's just cocksuckers who, like, just mass report you or they don't like you.
I mean, there's a lot of ways to weaponize that whole reporting system.
chris distefano
We're trying, but that's why.
joe rogan
And then, you know, you've got to realize, like, YouTube is managing...
Some fucking insane number of videos that are getting uploaded every minute.
And they probably have to have all these systems in place to handle this stuff, and I bet you can game that system.
And then there's also a bunch of people that work for them that are woke dipshits.
And I think they can flag things, and they get out of line sometimes.
chris distefano
We tried.
We tried to get it reinstated.
They said we have to, you know, February is our next chance.
joe rogan
YouTube, please.
chris distefano
Come on.
joe rogan
Please, it's just a history podcast for two funny guys.
Let it go.
chris distefano
But that's why, in effort, we are playing by the rules with YouTube, and we have really clean, cute content on YouTube.
But if you want to get fucking wild with us, go to patreon.com slash historyhyenas.
That's where we're going off, at Patreon.com.
unidentified
It's true.
chris distefano
We are going off.
joe rogan
Gentlemen, I appreciate you very much.
You guys are awesome.
Thank you.
I'm so happy you're together again.
unidentified
Beautiful.
Thanks, man.
Thanks, Joe.
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