Joe Rogan and Derek Fitness dissect the fallout from a canceled investor conference after an assassination attempt, exposing algorithm-driven violence on X and Instagram—like a $40M "virgin" OnlyFans account—and platform exploitation via AI-generated personas. They critique USADA’s selective UFC testing, missing EPO/HGH while a Russian wrestler was retroactively banned, and debate Trimtazidine’s oxygen-conserving endurance boost used by Chinese swimmers. Rogan shares his bow-hunting injuries and rapid recovery via NuFit, sparking skepticism about its muscle-building potential. The conversation shifts to fighter fatigue, creatine’s cognitive benefits, and vegan diets’ limitations for elite athletes, then explodes into transgender sports controversies—from XY-chromosome boxers to taxpayer-funded youth swimming scandals—highlighting safety risks and ideological rigidity. A House report’s lab-leak theory on COVID-19 and vaccine injection concerns (like lack of aspiration) fuel further distrust in institutions, while Rogan contrasts steroid dangers with natural training, noting Dorian Yates’ torn bicep and Ronnie Coleman’s health decline. Female bodybuilding’s steroid-driven masculinization and Canada’s anti-business policies cap a wide-ranging discussion on ethics, science, and systemic failures. [Automatically generated summary]
I mean, I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram.
I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing, but when someone says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow.
Like, let's see.
Let's see if this will be fun.
But the thing about Twitter or X is that, like...
I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm.
But, like, if she was actually a virgin, and she's posting, like, almost nude, but not quite, but making a bunch of money off it, there's, like, two contradictory things going on right now.
What would suck, too, is if you went full board and you did, like, actual porn and just got, like, banged on camera just for thinking you're going to become a multimillionaire and then you still are, like...
Yeah, it's interesting, the thresholds, though, too, of where they become successful for what they're doing, because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole.
Really?
They just post, like, thirst trap, fitness girl-type content, almost.
I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to potentially see more revealing something from somebody that you are like a fan of already.
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Well, there was some Google guy, some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are going to interact with guys, and how this is going to create profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems.
Yeah, there's people that are about as smart as a Labrador.
They just can talk.
Then you can trick them.
And if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them, Have you seen the UFC collab with that OnlyFans chick?
And then it gets tons of views, and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's Disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever, but at the end of the day she gets views from it and then more people go to her page and sign up to it.
That guy used to weigh 185. And by the way, see the back of his neck?
He has a fully fused neck.
If he wasn't 36 when he entered into the UFC, that's how old he was when he first started fighting.
He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC. If he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him.
He's the freak of all freaks.
When it comes to athletic specimens, he's the freak.
Yeah, so basically, and this was like a WADA press release too, so it's not like it was some journalist or something, it's like on the official WADA site, and they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up test results.
And essentially, they disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic-caliber athlete, and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped USADA supposedly catch other people.
Well, there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations.
Like one of them is BBC 157, which is natural in the human body, you know, and peptides.
All they're doing is helping you heal.
You're literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training.
And you're not going to assist these people in healing?
Wouldn't that only benefit everybody?
There's no fear of harm.
No one's dying from BBC 157. Within the code, there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended.
Wow, look how they phrased that.
What dirty language.
Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended.
What does that mean?
It means you're allowing them to cheat.
However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating...
At the bottom, WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents.
Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that.
The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated.
In that case, when USADA eventually admitted to WADA what had been going on, it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete's security at risk.
What?
And asked WADA to agree to non-publication.
What?
Were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong?
What the fuck are you talking about, security at risk?
In another case of a high-level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code.
Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this.
And it sounds like this was somewhat how they operated, as if they had a high-profile enough person or certain circumstances, they would kind of autonomously decide, hey, if you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don't or what have you, then we'll just let you...
What's really crazy is, I mean, according to the UFC, so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decided to sever their relationship.
And then USADA, like, publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitors to do steroids now.
Which is not the case at all.
Like, they already had a contract in place with Drug Free Sport.
I talked to the guy from Drug Free Sport, and he was essentially laying out the...
The standards are actually much higher now, too, in contrast.
Like, you said I would claim, or at least suggest, that they were doing full-spectrum, bulletproof testing, but it turned out they were almost never EPO testing.
The HGH testing was never really done, and then also the isoform, what was it, the isotope ratio mass spec was not really being done either.
And also time intensive for some of these tests as well.
And I guess for the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive.
Or I don't really know what the exact motivation was.
Often you would think it comes down to budget and time, but...
Also, if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further, like the same way if you went to a doctor and you'd be like, should I test this?
They'll be like, oh, if we know this, like, who cares?
It's not necessary.
Like, I don't necessarily know they went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat if I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further.
Sometimes you don't have to.
You know, test further if there's not an atypical finding.
Yeah, but like, if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, right, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal.
That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabricio Verdum and he did not prepare properly.
Fabricio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months.
So Fabricio, who speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico, he really got ready and he beat Cain Velasquez that night to become the champion.
And he had tremendous cardio and Cain was just dying.
That's how brutal Mexico City is.
So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these really high altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO? Yeah, no, I'm saying.
That's crazy.
That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title.
Even just retaining your baseline parameters of your weight cutting can be quite helpful.
So it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like...
Any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation, if you can sustain it at normal, is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages.
Well, maybe we could find it, but I know it's helped my cardio.
It helped significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while.
And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal.
And it wasn't brutal at all.
And it was because of regular sauna use.
Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells.
This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen.
Now, it says here's how.
Plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma.
As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO. So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone and other hormones.
They look for, does it look like an endogenous signature?
So different compounds, there's different ways to analyze, but in general it's going to be Either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same.
So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, aka made in a lab, and not like...
It's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you.
Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually said could be an issue, is that it is It's possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals.
They use soy to, like the phyto, some of the compounds in the soy as well as the yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone.
So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make hormones.
So Nowitzki was saying that, at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals, and then it would be impossible to differentiate.
Yeah, I think maybe the first time I came on we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation and if athletes are doing that and I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more and it does seem like there's strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing.
Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios Because it's more minute and specific, apparently, as opposed to with the carbon content.
They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures.
And your diet, even what you ingest, can change what your signature is, too.
Because they have to use, as like a reference, they use, for example, from your urine, they'll find some other compound that is upstream from testosterone, for example.
Yeah.
sex hormones.
And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone.
So through that, we can infer that, you know, it's probably of exogenous origin.
But if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, you would never be able to tell.
Yeah, and if you had animal-grade testosterone or cholesterol even from a medical-grade compound facility or something, you could probably react it down and create a CIR-proof testosterone.
There's water-accredited labs, not just in the States, but like in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt and you can, you know, persuade them to test your samples.
But, yeah, if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team and, you know, know you're bulletproof rather than just guessing.
What's even more interesting, too, is the storage of samples.
A lot of sports don't actually do it.
With Olympic testing, oftentimes the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past.
Once they've refined the testing and Actually are able to detect, you know, long-term metabolites of Terenabol or something of that nature.
But in a lot of sports, like especially in the U.S. for like traditional professional sports, they're not storing urine, typically.
So if you have more refined tests and get developed, oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time.
Right.
And...
At least from what I've seen, there's a really good paper.
One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this, his name is Alex Cagliari-Turner.
He has excellent information and studies on this stuff, but he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past, I don't know, it was like a full decade of analyzation, It was like 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal.
So if they're only being popped, you know, three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more, based on advancements in testing, you can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing given that retroactively they're not being tested at all.
So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed, you know, five years from now, they're not going to go get your sample and retry it.
And it's like, you know, you could say it's corruption or you could say it's, you know, people trying to, the sport trying to cover it up, but I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints too, because it's like, you still have to be a profitable enterprise and...
Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course, but at least historically, what we've seen is the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it.
Yeah, like in general, the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals, which are being tested for, but it's like at the scale, it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all.
Like, you know, we saw with USADA, they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing.
So I would say those are...
Probably the go-tos, you know, like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
I think it's called Trimtazidine.
There was some top-level tennis player who just popped like a week ago or something.
It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back.
Yeah, it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing, and then they claimed it was like food contamination or something, and they were like, oh, I guess that's what happened.
And then a bunch of those, two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics, and 11 of them were allowed to compete still.
So basically, in general, to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose.
And in endurance events, which is heavily oxygen sapping, if you can shift, which is what this drug does, It inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen-intensive process.
So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing.
So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it's highly performance enhancing.
You know, it's kind of speculative as to if it's actually performance enhancing, but it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug.
Oh, by the way, the first time I was here, you said the Russian Olympics, the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters.
But they said that steroids, they found gross motor skills.
He's so loud, dude.
You can nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud.
But they found that testosterone and things along those lines, actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater, that it didn't enhance.
But that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus.
Yeah, yeah, and I could see, obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport, because there are some sports where being heavier is going to be problematic, and you might want something that could enhance, I don't know, your cognitive capacity, or whatever it may be, or slow down your heart rate, for example, for archery, or different applications, for sure.
The really intensive part, though, is the preparation for it.
And I was going to tell you about this, too, because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one.
So when hunting season approaches, for like three months out of hunting season, I ramp up all my cardio and all my archery.
So I practice in my backyard.
I practice archery.
I'm shooting at 85 yards.
I shoot an 84-pound bow, and I might shoot it 100 times a day.
So I'm pulling 80 pounds, 84 pounds, 100 times in a day.
And I'm doing it day after day after day after day.
I do it five, six days a week.
So I was developing, like, severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to, like, sciatica.
Developing some severe neck pain on my right side.
So this is, it's all, it's really an unbalanced thing, right?
Because I really should draw something back with my, I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don't.
So you draw back.
So I'm pulling.
It's 84 pounds to pull it back, at least for the beginning of the cycle.
And then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers.
Like the holding weight is – I think my holding weight is like 20 percent, 20 or 25 percent of the actual weight of the bow.
But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, the way archery works is you want to – what's called pull at the wall, right?
So where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall so I'm steady, right?
And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back, with my lower back muscle.
So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like painful and stiff and sore.
Like hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going I'd do it for hours three hours a day Just hours and hours and hours and I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip when I was going up hills my My hips were getting numb like my glutes weren't firing.
I was getting sciatic pain It was pretty bad So, I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to dress it.
So, I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped.
I started doing a lot of stretching.
No archery for a couple months.
A lot of hard foam.
From Elite Flexibility, they make a PVC roller with a very thin layer, so it's very hard.
And I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna.
Cold plunge, sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal.
It was taking a long time to recover.
And then I started doing this thing called NuFit.
And what NuFit is, is electrical muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines.
And so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you.
And then you go through exercises while you're doing it.
And it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation.
It's very hard to tell, like, what is actually working.
But when you add one thing, and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this new fit thing is having at least responsible for...
I mean, there's some sort of synergistic effect, right?
Because I'm using peptides.
Like I said, I got stem cells shot into it.
And it takes a while for the stem cells to take place.
I'm sure that's part of it.
But then this new fit thing is pretty significant.
So I've been doing that quite a lot.
I've been doing that four days a week.
And it's legit, man.
It's really legit.
I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul.
So I know a lot of other athletes use it.
A lot of people use it for rehabilitation.
It really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from surgeries and injuries and stuff like that.
There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the 80s that had that.
I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you, you'd have a six-pack, you'd get jacked, and all you have to do is lay there.
You lay there and they'd put these electrodes on you just...
No, I'm sure it's more effective than that, obviously, which did nothing, but I don't think it's a replacement.
And I would imagine, I would speculate, that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it's for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you'd probably get better results.
I think if you were injured, it probably has a lot of viability, but I would be highly suspect of it being used for, like, a guy trying to break a plateau who's a veteran lifter, for example.
Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined, seemingly, that, you know, you'll have guys who are top Olympia-caliber bodybuilders, and if they haven't had calves for their whole career, they don't suddenly develop them, even though they obviously know how to train.
And then people will shit on them and say, you have no calves, bro.
Like, learn how to train.
It's like, this is my job.
Like, do you think I don't know how to do a fucking calf raise?
They lag behind significantly, and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage.
But it is, like, a very, very difficult area to locally, you know, if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies, it's very difficult to make a bad-looking calf look good.
With a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strained from is someone grabbing them with a collar tie and pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they're resisting that.
You can fuck your neck up that way.
Or fighting off a guillotine or a Darce choke or a triangle where you're really fucked up and distorted and you're resisting against it.
You can fuck your neck up.
So what the Iron Neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation.
So you have this halo, you put it on your head, you pump it like a Reebok pump, and if form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on, and then you back up.
And so it's got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord.
And as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way.
And then you could Rotate, and then on the rotation you can adjust the resistance.
You can make it more difficult.
But you're never doing any of this stuff.
And I think this stuff is where, at least from what I've seen, people get hurt.
This wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost.
And I don't think it's at a cost for everybody.
I think it probably can be done safely, but I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully.
And make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs when you're in these reared positions.
You're never supposed to have at least bridging with 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over to the side and then roll it over to the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead.
Perhaps, but you have to, like, know how much gas you have in the tank, and only he knows.
And that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive.
It's very smart.
Because you don't just explode and keep going.
You won't last.
You last two minutes and then you'll be dead.
So what he does is he looks so relaxed and then he explodes on you.
And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at.
Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds.
That was the thing.
It's like, if he didn't...
Fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds if you were like Nate Diaz some indestructible zombie and then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tired like how is this guy still here and then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.
They'll just touch you all the time and you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right?
So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard you're like Because you're always like because you don't know if these punches are gonna be hard and then occasionally would mix them up with like really hard shots And so you always have to be ready for the hard shot.
So you never get to breathe you never get to relax So you're constantly on edge and you just get worn out and he's Relaxed because he's just hitting you and touching you and he's talking shit to you.
What bitch?
What bitch?
What's going on bitch?
They keep hitting you this like 50% like literally like this not really trying to hurt you at all just just Just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.
Yeah, there's a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz.
These guys had made a papier-mâché model of their face and put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it.
And the guards, when they would go to check, thought these guys were still in their bed.
Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the cell.
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True stories like that and others embellished tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim.
Well, it's definitely not impossible, because Nick Diaz has done it five fucking times.
But people do it all the time now.
You know, it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do now.
Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled, and is just such a fucking training machine, that he has that ultimate gas tank, even in the fifth round, just explode.
And like, in the fifth round, he was going hard.
Which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Conor.
It's like he had the ability to let punches get right here, and he would just move his head slightly and then bang!
Crack you.
All your momentum is coming in, and he would counter you.
And he was just so skillful and he was like a computer.
He would, the first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of.
He would see you swing, like, okay, I got that.
Okay, I'll do a little of this.
I'll kick him a couple of times.
And then by the end of the round, he's like, okay, motherfucker.
And then you'd see him, like, the Yushin Okami fight is a great example of that.
By the end of the first round, he head kicks Okami and drops him.
The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their later fights.
You don't remember them when they were unstoppable.
Like when Anderson was in his prime, he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived.
But I think there's another issue to talk about, and that is that A lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right?
We've all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out.
We've seen Conor's sparring footage.
He spars pro boxers.
He's sparring elite fighters.
You're getting hit in the head a lot.
And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs.
And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in, where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their cortisol levels are all fucked up, their bodies just...
You're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year.
It's just not supposed to happen.
And that's the reality of consistent training.
So if you think about consistent training, like say you and me are sparring, We meet at the gym three times a week, and we spar three times a week.
Let's say we spar five rounds three times a week.
Five rounds of five minutes each.
You might hit me 15, 20 times a round, and then we're doing that three times a week, and we're doing that over and over and over again.
This is a thing people say, oh, you spar light.
Sure, sure.
Sparring light is important, but Subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Now, soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball.
I've bounced a soccer ball.
I played soccer when I was a kid.
That doesn't hurt.
But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE. Do you know that?
My friend Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, and he works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation.
I think he works with them.
Oh, Angel Warrior Foundation.
He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland.
Your endocrine system gets fucked up from, you know, breaches, you know, explosions, blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things.
Like, those guys are fucked.
Like, the inside of their brain is fucked.
And there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that.
But the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out.
It's just getting thumped a lot.
Just thumped in training.
So if we're sparring, you know, we're friends.
If we're sparring, I wouldn't hit you hard.
I'd hit you like that.
I wouldn't try to kill you.
I'd hit you like that.
But that over and over again, you're going to get brain damage.
Fact.
No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
You're going to get brain damage.
And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15 year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred.
And not just sparred that way, how many collisions?
How many times I've been collided with doing jujitsu?
You accidentally butt heads, you accidentally take a knee to the head, you accidentally take an elbow to the head.
It's constant.
So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again.
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And then you get a little bit of coke, a little bit of coke, and you're feeling good again.
Yeah, I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve, like baseline even, to feel normal.
There's a drug I didn't mention earlier, but it's worth mentioning, you said, what's not being tested for that's useful.
In fighters, something called cerebrolysin is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by WADA yet.
It's the pipeline of it getting through a clinical, like getting a clinical application, it's still in experimental phases.
So I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition.
And for all we know, it's not going to prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally, from people I know who've used it, highly effective for neurogenesis.
Another thing that not being tested for, which I don't think it should be, but like creatine at adequate doses, interestingly, for years, we've all been told take your five grams and you're good.
But what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread, the optimal one for every single person.
You will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose, but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics, how much you weigh, muscle mass, metabolism.
There's different formats, but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate.
Thought to be, you know, water solubility and other things, but in general monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it, is tried and true, it's cheaper, easier to access.
That's, I believe, a metabolite of leucine, which basically stimulates mTOR.
So it could be useful for, I think, people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis.
So like, I don't know, older people who don't get enough protein, for example.
It's pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein, you're just eating meat and like animal-derived sources.
For, I think, for a lot of people, to get high quality, just, if you're going to eat over, I don't know, a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day, like, you could hit your needs pretty easily.
I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent of five grams, but you'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more.
I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain.
So some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP. And if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine, then you could basically get it to baseline of where it should be.
Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you're good, but unless you're eating multiple pounds a day, it's unlikely that you've saturated stores.
Yeah, there are definitely successful, like, people who thrive, I think, doing vegan diets, but oftentimes it is more meticulous in the planning needed to, like, actually make it so you can thrive on it, as opposed to, like...
You can be stupid and still cover your bases, essentially.
So the difference between one thing is like if someone say, well, a pound of broccoli will equal X amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein, but it's not the same bioavailability.
Yeah, like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same, and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic.
Some vegans, I would assume, might actually benefit from supplementing with essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they're not hitting a leucine threshold.
And that's where an HMB also could maybe have use as well.
No, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is, you could argue, even more of a necessity than, at least with men, a lot can maintain residual...
Hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term.
But with women, once you hit menopause, you are guaranteed to have a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don't replace those hormones.
So they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shady progestin and determining, oh, HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk, which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have not seen play out. which at least to date in bioidentical hormones we have And the upside far outweighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now.
It's just not really permeated the, I don't know, like masses yet.
When you hear about studies that like, you know, when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat, because they were trying to say that saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar.
When you see about, and I think they only paid them like $50,000 or something crazy.
It's an Olympic-style event, and they're spending a lot of money on it.
They have a lot of big investors, and they're going to give real prizes, like a million dollars if you win the gold medal, instead of zero, which is what the Olympics gives.
And I asked them, I'm like, how are you going to address trans athletes?
And they said, we think we're going to do chromosomes.
Apparently, they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s, I believe.
They stopped doing it.
And then since then, it's been like these weird nuanced scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone-level looking male or whatever?
And, you know, it gets nuanced with the type of, like...
Disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others.
And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true, it's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it's basically like a 5-alpha reductase deficiency is...
Basically just depriving your body of DHT, but if you have internal testes making testosterone, you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone, and all the psychoactive effects and all that.
I had internal testes, XY chromosomes, 5-alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes.
And you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent of putting A kid at birth on like a mega dose of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT. So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone,
but not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. Well, let's see what is the latest on this.
And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into the whole politically correct angle of it, too, to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head.
This is one of the weirder aspects, and the reason why people harp on it so much, why is everybody so obsessed with trans?
This is why.
Because it's bizarre.
No medical documentation.
You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker.
So this is for on US passport.
You can select M for male, F for female, or X for unspecified or another gender identity.
So you can have X on your passport.
I think I'm going to get that.
So no medical documentary.
So I could be a female.
I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard.
Genetic marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID. So the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you.
I don't know how you feel.
I could be arrogant and completely Not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit.
You're a guy or you could be in agony Going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick I think there's that too, but like I talked about in my comedy special Perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID. Like they don't exist anymore.
Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard-on going into the women's room is a woman now.
They used to be psychos.
It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie Psycho.
Dress up like his mom.
Silence of the Lambs.
Puts the lotion in the basket.
If you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier, you put them in a dress.
You took a psycho killer, you made him dress like a woman, like, oh, this guy's fucking crazy.
And then somewhere, we just decided that doesn't exist anymore.
And so there's no perverts.
And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people.
Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts.
They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit.
There's people that are out of their mind, and you've given them a hall pass.
Yeah, like, I could empathize with somebody who didn't know and then became aware of it, and then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing.
It would suck for everyone involved, obviously, but, like, I could understand, like, how shitty of a predicament that is.
So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that are guys like, say, Yoel Romero.
Yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody.
You know, when it comes to like genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God, right?
So you have that, which is the rarest of rare, right?
And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank.
There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody.
But there's a bunch of guys, you look at them, you're like, that's not a specimen.
But super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach, and they manage to fight really well.
But if they go up against a guy who's a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard, and is just as intelligent, and just as methodical in their training, they're gonna have an advantage.
Just a natural, God-given advantage.
Just the universe has kissed them with genetics.
And those people exist, man.
And so you can't say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now, because he can't beat Yoel Romero.
Like, that's stupid.
That's fucking stupid.
And it's also, you're not protecting women.
I thought that the left was all about protecting women.
This is the whole thing about progressives.
Protect people that are not as safe.
I don't generally worry about women raping me.
Never.
Never in my life.
Have I been in a bar and go, boy, I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me.
I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me and get my dick hard.
No one ever thinks that way.
But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway.
They worry about that.
Guys don't worry about that.
It's just a completely different dynamic.
So, when you're comparing, like, trans this and trans that, like, there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't, that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room.
If Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom and go to the bathroom, I'm not worried about Chaz Bono.
But I am worried about a pervert.
If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking 5 o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on.
I go, I don't know.
That might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard, or it could be a complete fucking psycho, which are real things.
And by being this compassionate person, I'm supposed to ignore the reality of psychos.
That's crazy!
This is where it becomes like a cult.
This is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all.
And if you do, you're cast out of the kingdom forever.
It just came about because he was doing, you know, we were talking about it and it got to the subject of trans women competing and his position was like, I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive.
So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women and He was like, in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman.
Like, what the fuck?
You don't have any kids.
You don't know what kids are like.
You can tell your kid that they're a werewolf.
Like, stay, keep away from the full moon.
You're a werewolf.
Oh, I always knew.
Like, they're kids!
Their brain's not formed.
And also, they want to please you.
And if you're a...
How many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids?
How many people were they fly the flag of inclusivity and they're a proud progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child?
How much of that is your influence?
Is it zero percent?
Because I bet it's not.
I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that.
It's just like the numbers are so extraordinary.
When you have parents that have three trans kids, you're like, what?
Three?
What are the odds of that?
And you're nuts?
You're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids?
What's going on here?
And you're not allowed to say it.
If you say anything, you say, oh, this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome.
They might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid so they could fly it as a...
They could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person.
There are people like that.
And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want.
They want you to have complete freedom to...
Expressors.
I don't care if a guy wears a dress.
Wear a dress, man.
If that's what you like, I don't care.
You want to paint your nails, want to have lipstick on.
I don't give a fuck.
Have a good time.
I want you to be happy.
I'll be your friend.
Just don't try to compete against women in sports.
That's fucking nuts.
And don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's locker room.
How about the guy in Canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a teenage girl and was competing in, like, young girls swimming?
And they allowed him?
Because Canada, like, you know, you live there off the rails.
You live in a communist shithole.
That place is nuts.
And they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time.
On taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk.
It's like, if you asked me, would it be good milk quality from some guy on Tren or Deca and he's just fucking secreting shit out of his nipples, I'd be like, fuck no, dude.
So they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over...
Here, I'll send you this.
So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are...
They're, you know, not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young, or when, you know, COVID was recent, rather.
So COVID-19, this is the House released a 500-page report on COVID-19 pandemic.
Key findings, COVID-19 likely originated from a lab-related incident in Wuhan, China.
Crazy.
You get banned from YouTube for saying that.
Banned.
Okay, over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud, with criminals exploiting weak oversight, prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates cause severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss.
While lacking robust scientific support, policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science.
Absolutely.
WHO and CDC compromised by political interference offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.
Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this, and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of aspiration, that they didn't aspirate when they injected people.
Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and shot it in there.
The idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right?
It's supposed to stay local.
But apparently there's been – if you talk to Brett Weinstein, a bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body.
The issue though was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel – So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things.
So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right?
Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right?
Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer.
Your heart scars.
Like your liver heals.
Your liver regenerates.
You could lose half your liver.
You know, you could donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks.
So the heart scars over and it leads to enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis.
So this is the thought.
This is what my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him.
But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate.
And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long-term issues from the vaccine, it's because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular.
There is several times now, because especially if you're on TRT, you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day just as part of their gig.
And you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you.
Like sometimes you feel like being like, hey, can I do this?
Yeah, so it's thought to be that if you get into, like you nick a vein or something, or you hit a blood vessel, for example, and you get some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely, It goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there.
And so like I could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic.
Like with Trend Cough, I've experienced it personally back in the day.
This is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Trenkhoff, it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle-bound dude who just injected yourself with like cattle steroids and you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up a lung, sweating your fucking face off like, what am I doing with my life?
It's after injection, but it's like, you know, who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking, you know, like whatever else is in your compound, in your solution into systemic circulation immediately.
Yeah, and it used to be used in, for like, I forget what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical-approved steroid back in the 80s, and then was, you know, basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that, interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting, like, steroids scheduled, essentially.
Yeah, and that's like he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements and anabolic steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since like the 80s.
So like every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect ridden, etc.
Like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic.
And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s.
And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was, that brought all this, you know, public outcry out.
Yeah, and getting positive for Winstroll, I think, and people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking...
Like, chemical warfare, essentially, in the Olympics, and whoever's doped the most is going to win, and people are freaking out, and the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone, scheduled.
Yeah, and then there was this huge stigma developed around them, and the taboo of being on steroids was developed, and that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them.
Yeah.
So we could have like a really refined, highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if they just continue probably.
Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon, essentially decriminalized everything.
I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like, Oregon's a disaster anyway, Portland in particular.
Like you go there, it's just...
Needles and drug addicts and it's like open-air drug marts everywhere because all the homelessness and the camping on the street the tent situation there is fucking nuts and they're super tolerant progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we're just going to have fucking...
People are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get.
I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized, though, what the access would be like, because it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which...
From what I understand, it's actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to it getting better.
Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy.
Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect making possession a crime again.
So is it of all things?
Did they just change the law totally?
So the Democratic-controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March, overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine.
The measure directed hundreds of millions of dollars in cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses in health officials.
Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system state auditors found.
Okay, so they just couldn't keep up with what was...
They didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers.
Yeah, like in Canada, I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it, it is a crime, and there's still no pharmacies that are making pharmaceutical-grade steroids that aren't testosterone.
Yeah, so that's good, and he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people.
There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that's really all it is.
People who are ignorant to the effects, they're ignorant to all of it, and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies.
I've seen multiple cases of this on social media, as well as in real life, people have gone, like, retreats, and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave.
Like, you know, if I try to tell people I'm six foot three, that's an obvious lie.
If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler, That's crazy.
You have to be a crazy person.
That's a mental illness.
If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white, and you work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill, right?
Yeah.
That's a mental ill.
There's something wrong.
You're not thinking clear.
And you're doing a thing that we generally universally say is a bad thing, which is lying, right?
So if you're doing that, you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids.
You're 46 years old.
You look like a fucking superhero.
You're right.
Just super jacked, you know, and then gets caught.
Okay, so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine You've never been famous and then all of a sudden you are really really famous really quickly over the course of a few years like social media all over tick-tock your Profile is elevated the point where you could say to the regular person street, you know who liverking is like oh, yeah that roided up guy and Everybody knows who he is.
Then the hate, because your labs come out and it finds out he's on a shitload of things.
This guy's juiced to the tits.
Obviously, for a guy like you or a guy like me, we look at a guy like that like, you've got to be on the juice.
But the people that knew, like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids, right?
So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate.
I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long.
Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are Filled with people who hate you.
Filled with it.
And you're just like sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions.
For him specifically, either if he did psychedelics or not, I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd, and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who have experiences gone awry, but certainly not representative of what happens if it's done properly.
I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time.
They don't have any problems.
But I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic for marijuana.
Now, is it they were going schizophrenic anyway, and then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point?
We don't really know.
But we do know there's a correlation.
I've seen it I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal and then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like you know like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is gonna have them be the king of Mars and like people lose their shit man and they they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible to see especially if someone do you care about it's really fucking weird and Kills your REM sleep, too.
Yeah, well, if you're using it to sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep, so you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect.
Sober October, when we do Sober October, like, immediately have these wild dreams, like, super vivid dreams, and I'm like, where have these things been?
If it's positive, it's probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff.
They had to cut his knee because it's bone on bone.
His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like it's like some, I forget what it's called, something wolf syndrome something.
So they had to cut his leg, cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat.
Yeah, I think he was off social media for a while, and I was actually going to do a podcast with him last year, and then it didn't end up working out, and he's available and into the idea still.
Yeah, and this guy, too, he's a unique phenomenon, even among the people doing this crazy surgery, because he got the full six inches, which is not necessarily typical, having both bones broken to do it.
And then maxing it out at the weight he's at, too.
So he has to support the recovery on like a, I can imagine, seemingly like 300 plus frame or something.
See, I would be, my curiosity is, how athletic were they prior, and then what is their maximal, like, what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline?
Because, yeah, you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional, but...
Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they showed him doing some athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great.
He looked like a real athlete, even though he got it done.
It didn't look like it was, unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it.
I would like to know, did you have a decrease?
You obviously look insane right now, but what did you used to be able to do?
Yeah, some of the stuff I'm curious about, too, is how much of the content you see online is sponsored versus actual user content just reviewing their experience.
Because you could see, for example, hair transplants.
Tons of people get sent fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever.
So imagine a guy who's getting specialized attention, which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken.
Yeah, this is one of those examples where like, you know, in MMA too, like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even, like it's not necessarily beneficial.
Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility, gas out quicker.
Even in BJJ, it's like, and you can sauce to the tits, but like it might not be helpful to the capacity you can actually push it.
I think the key is moderation and lifting in regard to, unless you're on the sauce, you know, if you're doing anything like MMA or any skill-based thing.
Because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not going to learn well.
You're not going to have a snap to your punches.
You'll be pushing punches.
You know, there's a...
Fluidity like some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to the like if you're landing a kick for example like a hard kick like a spinning back kick like what John Jones knocked out Stipe Miocic with there's a there's a dance going on with your nervous system with all your muscles moving in coordination if you think of how complex that movement is right he's standing like this sideways and he's looking for them and at the right moment Uh
-huh.
Pushing off his back leg with all of his weight, and there's a timing.
You don't want to hit him here, and you don't want to hit him at the end of it.
You want to hit him right in the sweet spot.
So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his ribcage in order for you to get maximum force.
And it's all happening in a fraction of a second.
And when it lands, it's like getting hit by a fucking car.
He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went back, he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach.
The meme's pretty funny though, where it's like, every time Dana says John Jones is the best, and they'll put it in front of like, it'll be like, I don't know, some obscene scenario.
It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something, and then Dana White comes in and he's like, but John Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time.
I want to make sure that what I said was accurate.
Who does get to decide what the pound for pound list is?
I believe it's MMA journalists and experts.
Now, there's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life.
And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things, but how much do you really know?
Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members.
See, that's a problem.
Media members were asked to vote on who they feel are the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound.
A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC. Now, this is not to disparage any of these media people.
Like I said, I love them.
I'm friends with a lot of them.
They're great guys.
There's no way you...
Absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts.
I just don't think...
Like when John threw that kick, I see that kick and I go, that was beautiful.
That was beautiful.
Because I know how it kicks...
I know what's supposed to happen.
You're just guessing.
You're guessing on what...
You've never done that on somebody.
If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is.
You don't really get it.
You kind of get it.
But you get it the way I get flying a plane.
I never flow a plane.
I kind of see they pull the lever.
That guy did a great job flying that plane.
Look how he landed.
Perfect.
I don't know what's really going on.
But when it comes to martial arts, I know what's really going on.
And when you look at a guy like Jon Jones, I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument.
The way I like to look at it, I say, Who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime?
Like what?
I don't mean the entire career.
I don't mean now.
I mean when they were hot, like when Anderson Silva was hot, how good was that?
Was that better than anything that ever existed?
Because I think it might have been.
And that's what I look at when I look at like pound for pound best.
So the argument is John Jones has had some really close fights.
He's had like split decision fights that he won.
A lot of people thought that some of his fights, like the Dominic Reyes fight, could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes.
Easily.
And I would not have been mad at that.
And I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight.
But there's those 10-9 rounds that are like, I don't know, you could say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominic, and either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back.
You know, like, it's real weird.
Makachev is so fucking good.
He's so fucking good that he head-kicked Alexander Volkanovski in the rematch.
He submits everybody.
He submitted Dustin Poirier.
He's a fucking monster.
When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them.
And you could argue that he's dealing with a deeper talent pool.
So his weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent-rich weight pool in the sport, 155 pounds.
Yeah, I remember the first time I was here, we were talking about how this guy...
Pereira is the only one who's ever beat Adesanya, and he seems like this fucking assassin.
We were like, oh, that's an interesting timeline.
Didn't know it would transpire into this degree of success where not only does he beat him, but then he switches divisions, fucking smokes that division too.
And the only reason why he didn't stay at middleweight, he's literally killing himself to get to 185. And I think that likely contributed to the KO, too.
Like, Adesanya landed a perfect right hand.
That right hand is gonna fuck him up every day of the week, no matter what you weigh.
It's just perfect.
And the timing, the way he did it, like, leaning up against the cage and just looked for the opening and just caught him coming in, bang, dropped him, hit him with the left hook, put the arrows into him when he's down.
That KO was perfect.
But you've got to wonder, like, how much of his inability, like, you went completely unconscious.
How much of that is because of the drain, the dehydration?
Because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue.
He used to be so exciting, and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time, and then, I don't know, it just doesn't seem to be working out.
And we're like, oh my god, Yoel Romero met a bigger freak than him.
Because regardless of whether or not you think Costa's juicy, that guy's got extraordinary genetics.
You know?
I mean, that's why he's such a beautiful man.
Perfect features.
Like, incredible frame.
His frame's incredible.
And whether or not he's juicy, the reality is, the guy has insane genetics.
And he was a fucking warrior.
Especially in that Yoel Romero fight.
Yoel's terrifying to everybody.
And Costa just walked him down and beat his ass.
And that was not a close fight.
It was primarily a stand-up fight.
Which is where Yoel's the most scary.
And Costa was in no danger.
He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero.
But then he fought a guy who was just way more slick.
And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond.
What he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya.
But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting.
He was like exploiting him with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round.
He was realizing I can't touch this guy and he keeps hitting me.
And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he'd block the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance.
And it was just, he was too good.
That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain.
And at that moment, he fought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been.
And that's like we were talking about, like, how good does a guy compete in that one step, this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just in his prime.
I think that was what it was.
That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fighters of all time, against Paulo Costa, who just didn't have the answers to that.
And once you've been bested like that, and a guy dry-humps you when you're down, he beats your ass, TKO's you, and then humps you.
Yeah, I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you go from top rank to, I think he's lost like three in a row.
Well, when they weren't testing for things, dudes did a lot of dirty shit.
Yeah.
I heard another story.
I can't substantiate.
I will say no names.
But a guy allegedly...
Gave blood to make weight.
So he didn't give blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably, you know, resupplied itself with a significant amount of it, depending on how much time it is between the fact they withdraw the blood.
I don't know how much time, but you could think about like how much weight blood is.
And if you can get like How much can you take while you're still conscious?
But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and re-proliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood.
Totally undetectable and you made weight with blood cutting.
Yeah, but it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess, or they assess for plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.
I think some people are freezing as opposed to just storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in, it can all make a difference in terms of like...
And it's like, at least of the doping methods, one of the least easy to detect, because there's no substance that is stimulating anything.
It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there.
Right, so the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV. Well, it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see unusual elevation of hemoglobin hematocrit probably around an event, and you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells.
Because if your body has, similar to testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing naturally.
So if you put in exogenous blood, you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply.
So you would have a disproportionate ratio between...
And it's like, why is this differential so significant all of a sudden?
And it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny.
And, yeah, with blood transfusions, because there's no way to really prove anything, oftentimes penalizations occur based on, like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it.
What are the other different ways that they can get it?
Like how rock solid is like, let's forget about drug sport, what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, what are the best ways to get around that?
Well, because they weren't actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH. What percentage were they testing for it?
You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was, like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO tested if somebody, like, reported you as, like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater.
I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and...
Because some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as like, you know, just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine.
You have to actually like manually do work to like combust down and assess the ratio.
And there's like nuance in interpreting this stuff too.
Because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of if it looks weird.
So you have to like bring in multiple opinions to maybe of experts who then kind of come to a Consolidated answer on did you cheat or not?
And it gets pretty complicated so doing this at scale On a sport that has no off-season, with people globally competing, it's pretty fucking costly, for sure, to do properly.
And even, like, the rigor of the person who's hired to do the testing, because it's, like, how, you know, scrutinous is whoever you're outsourcing your hiring in that area to.
You know, they could be like a local who is, you know, like pledged allegiance to that fucking, you know, whatever.
So, I don't know, man.
It's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as of recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio mass spec and...
Actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect.
Stuff is still going to squeeze through for sure, but it's going to be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them.
It used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that, you know, they would figure out ways around.
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And when you hear about stuff like this, too, it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor, what are people doing that I'm not?
That's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like, oh, we're going to have, you know, medical assessments that ensure safety and blah, blah, blah.
But it's like, if you're going full board, it's impossible to be healthy.
I love the idea of the enhanced games, by the way, but it's like, at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails, and then alternatively, if there are guardrails, now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do.
And like, you know, are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before?
Like, it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced.
So, and I'm sure they're very well-spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff and I'm sure have answers to that or, you know, have some idea of what they're going to do.
You'd think if you wanted to just hit your quota for the year, you'd just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like, All of you, get in the fucking car.
When it comes to possession in the States and how scrutinous they are on anabolics, I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts that will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point.
Typically, you would buy it domestically to not, like, red flag yourself, because I think in the mail, you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic.
So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, no one would know that you were sent anything.
It's only if you're buying, like, growth hormone from China or something.
Dan Bilzerian, he talked about how when he was in Buds, he would go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico, and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the U.S. Jesus Christ.
Well, you could argue that, well, that's the reason why clinical trials exist, which assess, you know, safety profiles of these drugs, and they wouldn't make it through otherwise.
But, like, obviously we've seen that that's not...
Once you get financial interest involved, it's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made it through or didn't make it through.
So, you know, like I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first.
It's tough though because it's like if you have a guy who's...
Like, I don't know, manic?
And he has access to, like, meth and, like, pharma-grade meth at that or something?
From anabolic steroids, I would say probably that and then maybe secondary, you know, some people could argue halotestin is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit Evander Holyfield's ear off.
Yeah, and it makes you like fucking short-term, acutely, extremely angry.
Tren is the worst offender for your psychological state, not just because the drug is...
Bad, but it also like ruins your sleep.
So you get like trend cough I mentioned, but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause like hot flash sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched and it like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well,
which is no good because even though you're this jacked Sometimes confident guy, other times you're like, you're unreasonably insecure and you like, a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend.
And it's thought to be the progestogenic activity because it's derived from nandrolone, which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well.
And progesterone is...
Thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had a heightened exposure to progesterone in utero.
And highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause really weird sexual deviancy as well.
And yeah, it's really fucking potent and good at what it does.
It builds lean mass and it's a really dry compound.
It doesn't make you watery.
It also has a unique anti-catabolic effect.
In a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting.
It's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree, more or less, but this drug is uniquely potent in its anti-catabolic action to where you could be like Extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.
And because it's so good at making you extremely strong too, without an excess of body weight, it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase that is like humongous.
The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience.
And some people, it's not everyone who becomes paranoid on it.
It's highly individual dependent.
Some people, you will often hear people say, oh, people overblow the side effects of training.
It's not that bad.
And then other people who will say it ruined their life.
It's highly individual dependent like any drug, but it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well.
It's, uh, the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity, too, because it's, like, ultimately, steroid use often stems from, like, body image insecurity.
So, if you achieve, you know, the outcome you sought with this thing, to think that you're going to be, you know, a confident person after you've lost the 30-40 pounds of lean that you gained, like, you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with.
Yeah, he had me on his podcast this year and he said anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they're more upset about it than I am.
He has a unique perspective on it, which is really cool to see.
Yeah, that's fucked up when you get that big and you have to like worry about Exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong and that's what you need to lift to get the stimulus like that's crazy stuff Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that like that guy's all fucked up now Yeah, yeah.
It makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and, like, used higher reps, less weight.
So like, put it this way, with men, there's different categories.
There's open men's bodybuilding, classic physique, and men's physique.
And each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive.
And in women, similar differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini, wellness, something else, and then bodybuilding is the one where you pretty much need to be on male-level steroids to be competitive.
Well, for bikini, you might be able to do it naturally, but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something, but it's not masculinizing.
There's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over-the-counter or...
Like, super micro-dosed amounts of anabolics that don't cause masculinization.
But above that, the thresholds for categories above that are, like, if you go to women's bodybuilding, like, it looks like you remember it, where it's, you know, dudes with wigs on, basically, almost.
Yeah, because he stopped the development of them and by now we probably have non-masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude.
So, like, I could physically be present in the States and live here maybe for six months of a year, but...
To get out of the system fully, you've got to pay the piper on every company you've ever built, even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it.
There's gains that were made in Canada, the value of it that you have to pay on.
It's like, how do you pay for it?
I don't have any fucking cash because I didn't sell the company.
It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home.
So basically, back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and And build equity in it and eventually you'd have something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that that's your main nest egg or whatever.
Nowadays, it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on a place that's not even nice.
So you have families staying in 500-square-foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything else.