Joe Rogan, Francis Foster, and Konstantin Kisin critique U.S. political tribalism, where Harris’s team demanded controlled discussions while Rogan rejects censorship—highlighting psychedelics’ potential for honest dialogue despite low lethality (LD50: 19,600 mg/kg). They expose Democratic hypocrisy in suppressing Sanders (2016) and weaponizing terms like "fascist," while debating Israel’s October 7th response, noting Hamas’ civilian shield tactics. Rogan links polarization to economic collapse—offshoring jobs, AI-driven unemployment, and nuclear risks—arguing unmoderated debates could reveal competence over virtue signaling. Foster warns of democracy’s erosion as young people lose faith, contrasting Bukele’s crime crackdown with U.S. failures like unvetted asylum seekers in luxury hotels (e.g., Roosevelt). The episode ends with Rogan praising rap’s free speech resilience and UFC 297’s Hamzat "Chemayev" as a new combat sports standard, while questioning if political suppression backfires, amplifying fringe voices like Tate or Ngannou. [Automatically generated summary]
Yeah, but I think this idea that you're being a diva is silly because you're asking her, you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did, right?
Just because of my appearance, there's always been this assumption that I'm some right-wing MAGA guy.
I was a Bernie supporter.
I'm a politically homeless person, for sure.
I always considered myself a left-wing person.
I never thought I would ever vote right-wing.
But then the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way.
And it just made me, over time, much more aware of what this stuff is really all about.
Because what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have.
And it overpowers all discussions.
It overpowers what's good for the collective group.
It overpowers everything.
It's just people pick a fucking team, and then whatever that team says, they can do no harm.
They will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest extreme version of that, whether it's Antifa or the Proud Boys.
They'll minimalize the...
It's the same thing, man.
It's the same.
If you look at what's going on with the liberals right now, so progressives are – they want the war in Ukraine to be funded.
They want to censor speech online.
And they want to give the World Health Organization, which is deeply influenced by big pharma, including the FDA, deeply influenced.
The revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies is legendary.
And they want to give them control over what we take and what we don't take.
That's crazy!
And that doesn't make sense because that's not what the liberals were when I was a kid.
My parents were hippies.
You know, we lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam War.
My parents were like straight-up hippies.
That's how I was raised.
And so for me, it was always like the liberals were the ones who wanted education and open-mindedness.
The liberals who were the ones with the ACLU let the Nazis talk and let them have a rally.
They said you can't infringe on people's free speech because if you infringe on the speech of people that you disagree with, You're being a fucking hypocrite.
The only solution to bad speech is better speech.
We've always known that.
But when they had the power over social media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology, and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective That you should have as an educated person that recognizes that everyone has to be able to talk and we have to figure out who's right.
And you might be wrong.
You might be wrong.
And you might be clinging to this idea that you're right and you're going to do the whole thing a terrible disservice.
You know, the thing that I loved about the left, Joe, was the anti-establishment left.
The left that were like, you know, we're going to challenge authority.
We're not going to listen to what the parties in charge may be saying.
You know, what I used to listen to Bill Hicks when I was a kid, when I was 19, and go, ah, you know, that to me was like a totem of the left.
But you just look at what happened to the left and what I saw in my own country and here and it just seemed like this herd mentality came in and the moment you started questioning or pushing back It was the moment you just found yourself exiled from the group, and it just seemed that what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed.
And I think we should even stop calling it the left and the right, because it's just tribes.
That is the real problem.
When you have people that are supposedly progressive and liberal and they're opposed to the idea that free speech is an absolute right as an American citizen, it's very, very important.
It's very important because too many people can decide what you can and can't say.
Like when Tim Walz was saying free speech doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation.
Of course it does.
First of all, of course it does.
But also, you said misinformation?
Okay, well, if that's the case, where is all the punishment of all the people that spread misinformation during COVID? Where's the call?
I think the concern about inaccurate information is perfectly valid and a legitimate thing for us to worry about in an ecosystem where information travels so quickly.
It's not an illegitimate thing to be concerned about.
But you can't have one side Also, there's this inherent problem with business being entangled in information and that's what happened when these tech companies exploded.
So, business, an enormous business, not small business, business like Google and Facebook and Apple, and these are huge businesses.
And all of a sudden, they are in charge of information.
Not necessarily Apple, but in a way.
Because they have, like, banned people from the Apple store and banned people from...
But they're businesses, enormous businesses, but they're super left-wing.
Not just super left-wing, but super woke left-wing, which is kind of the craziest version of it, where there's no room for negotiation.
Anybody who disagrees is a fascist.
It gets real weird.
It gets real weird with ideas.
So you have, for the first time ever, human beings are Capable of just with a device they carry around with them that has unbelievable amounts of power.
That device has, first of all, you can be on it for like, what, 20 hours now, the new ones?
They're like 20-hour battery life of just you staring at a fucking screen all day.
And you're getting connected with an infinite number of ideas that are constantly coming your way.
And it's almost all in the hands of left wing.
The left wing party is Google, it's Facebook, it's all these companies that have massive power.
And until Elon stepped in and bought Twitter, there was no counter to that.
It was just one side.
And that's where things get really weird because businesses like to have monopolies.
They like to crush things.
And if you have the monopoly of information, you get essentially Microsoft in information form.
You know, when they have the antitrust lawsuits against Microsoft and people worry that it's a monopoly.
And there's people who think that about Google now.
And there's even conversations about Apple being a monopoly.
Businesses love that.
They love to kick ass.
They love to fucking dominate the business.
Your goal, if you run a business, you literally have an obligation to your shareholders that you continually grow the business.
There's only one way to do that, kids.
You gotta kick some fucking ass.
And if you're the biggest thing, and what is in your interest?
Well, definitely controlling the information.
We would like to control, and we also want some cultural beach balls that we could chuck around so people get distracted and throw them back and forth at each other.
There's a bunch of Republicans that love the fact that there's these gender-affirming care centers.
They love it.
Because it gives them something to yell about.
It gives them something, like, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them fund these things.
Some people are fucking crazy.
They're fucking crazy.
Especially if they found out if it's profitable.
Maybe they got a fucking, some sort of a fund and part of it is a, you know, these are privately owned businesses.
The whole thing is just human tribal characteristics applied to the way we're supposed to coexist with each other and share the space.
And it's all fucked up.
It's all fucked up because it's the Cowboys versus the Raiders.
At election time especially, it becomes like that.
But I am hopeful.
This election, I think there is one thing going on which I'm actually really hopeful about, which is You know, you had Trump on on Friday.
Like, the conversation is moving from the clickbait, five seconds, mainstream media, journalists will tell you what to think, to a three-hour conversation, you get to see the real person.
If that continues, which it will, and by the time of the next election, this format will be the dominant format, I think.
The type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership will be a different type of person than the type of person who's selected on 10-second soundbites on mainstream media.
And I don't know, it might just be a small blip on the road down to oblivion, but it might just be actually the thing that changes the type of leaders we elect.
There's a bunch of people that are out there now that I'm very excited about.
One of them is Vivek.
A big one is Tulsi Gabbard.
And RFK Jr., of course.
I love that guy.
I love what he's done his entire career.
And I love what he's trying to do with health.
I mean, this is a real issue that we all face and we're all being poisoned and they're profiting off of it and we're not doing shit about it.
Meanwhile, you stop psychedelics from being given to veterans to help them with PTSD. It doesn't make any sense.
This makes zero fucking sense.
And they have so much control over what you say and do.
Because if you can decide that something is unsuitable for the population, like the drug schedule program they have in the United States, right?
They have Schedule 1, 2, and 3, depending upon if there's any medicinal use for it.
And psychedelics are all on Schedule 1. That is crazy.
If you're telling me there's no medicinal use, you could get thousands of people to testify in Congress about soldiers in particular.
I know so many soldiers.
No one prepares them for that.
They go over there when they're 19 years old and they see people get blown up.
They lose their friends.
They come back and then they're supposed to just integrate and there's no fucking program that can help you do that.
You're on your own and you got to sort through what you've seen that's so different than all these people around you.
You have to sort through seeing your friends die.
You have to sort through having to kill people.
You have to sort through that and just exist.
And then there's a tremendous amount of veterans who commit suicide.
It's a crazy number.
And psychedelics are proven to help that.
So the fact that there's some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow or another that is bad, that this thing that doesn't kill anybody, literally like the LD50 rate for psilocybin is something insane.
It's like you have to take...
Well, it's like 100 pounds of it or something.
I don't know what it is.
Let's find out what's the LD50 rate, which means lethal dose at 50% of the population.
What kills half the people?
It's like you can't do it.
That's not what the concern is.
Are there concerns about people losing their marbles when they do it?
Yeah.
Yeah, there is concerns.
It's not a fucking free ride.
There's some people that are mentally fragile and they have mental issues already.
They shouldn't be doing that.
But for everybody else, there should be a conversation where we figure out how to make the world a better place.
And one of the ways to make the world a better place is to make people more kind, more compassionate, and more understanding.
And that's something that psychedelics provides.
And the fact that that is somehow or another listed by a country that is the leader of the free world in the most information-rich time alive.
There's so much access to information.
We all know what they really are and what they're not, and yet this organization that somehow or another, this shadow organization that controls what we do, tells you you can't have that.
If you have it, you go to jail.
That's bananas.
That doesn't make any sense.
And as long as we keep stupid shit like that, people will never have hope that there's going to be a better horizon, a better future.
They would think that all these things are so – it takes so long just for marijuana.
Look, marijuana is still not federally legal, but it's legal in like half the states.
It took so long for people – they're drinking whiskey on every fucking corner.
People are just doing shots and drinking tequila and – Marijuana is something that gets you locked in a cage.
As long as something like that exists that's preposterous and completely illogical, the good that it serves is the ruling class gets to rule without logic.
Because it doesn't have to make sense.
Fuck you, you're going to jail.
As long as they say that, you're like, ah, we raise your taxes, you got to pay them.
Fuck you, you're going to jail.
What the fucking Constitution?
Shut up.
So if there's an illegal situation like that, or an illogical situation like that, rather, it makes you lose faith in the whole system.
But when someone like RFK Jr. comes along and says, hey, I think we can fix this, It's like, give him a fucking chance.
Maybe he can.
Maybe he can fix this whole health system where we've been co-opted by these giant organizations that want you to make money.
You know, on our show, we interviewed a guy called Dr. David Nutt, who's a neuropharmacologist.
And he's in charge of the hallucinogenic trials in Imperial College London, looking at how these particular drugs can alleviate PTSD, anxiety, other types of mental health disorders and depression.
And the results that are coming out of there are fantastic.
That is actually showing that a lot of drugs like psilocybin are in fact far more effective than prescription meds when it comes to alleviating conditions like depression.
Oh, that's the weight of the average-sized individual.
So the lethal dose, 50%, is...
Normal dose would be 20 to 30. It actually says no lethal overdose potential.
It says there's no potential for dying.
The recommended therapeutic dose for optimum effects is 20 to 30 milligrams for an average-sized individual, 70 kilograms or 154 pounds, for whom the medium lethal dose LD50 is 19,600 milligrams, making it virtually impossible to ingest a lethal dose of psilocybin.
But boy, if you got close, you might figure everything out.
You just get to the door, and you might be able to come back with enough information like, I've solved it!
But for the most part, there's something real to it.
And you do sense that.
You do sense that sometimes in life.
You know, there's these beautiful moments in life where you kind of like...
Oh, this can be navigated.
This life can be navigated better.
And one of the best ways to navigate life is to avoid conflict at all costs.
It never solves anything.
It almost always creates problems.
And people that want conflict all the time are the most miserable people.
They're just constantly embroiled in hate and anger and trying to get people back.
And I think that's the negative thing that people associate with Trump.
The negative thing that people associate with Trump is, like, you hit him, he's hitting you back harder.
Like, he's got this thing, you know?
Like, he called some lady that, you know, one of the ladies that he allegedly had an affair with, he called her horseface on Twitter while he was a sitting president.
That is so crazy.
So that bothers people, because it's like that kind of energy, you know?
We don't like that kind of energy, and I think that's something that people are very apprehensive about for a leader.
So he's very friendly to me and he also, we have a very good mutual friend, Dana White.
Dana White loves him.
He stuck up for Dana when MMA was a band sport and he let them put on his events in Trump Casino in Atlantic City.
So Dana loves the guy and they've always had a good friendship.
He got mad at me one time because I said that RFK Jr. was the only guy that makes sense.
But I was essentially saying it the same way I'm saying it here.
It's like what RFK Jr. is, he talks about facts and talks about reality and he talks about issues and he talks about studies and what we know about things.
He's just brilliant with his recall.
And he doesn't attack people, and I think we could all use more of that.
Even if he's writing something about something, like in that book, The Real Anthony Fauci, it's because it's true, and it's not good information, and it affects all of us.
It's not like personally attacking someone.
And I think that personal attack stuff is what bothers people.
And so what did he do?
He just attacked me!
But he attacked me in the craziest way.
He said, I wonder how loud Joe Rogan's going to get booed at the next time he goes to the UFC. I'm like, hey, bro.
You have to realize that's the kind of guy that even though they throw 40 felonies at him, he's still in the game.
And he's still all day.
He sat here for three fucking hours, man, and didn't have to pee before, didn't have to pee afterwards, just gets on the fucking plane, flies to Michigan, does the other thing, he's two hours late.
He just goes, man.
It's kind of bizarre.
You hear about that and you're like, ah, that's not true.
She's like 83. You know what it kind of feels like?
You know when you're in school and the teacher leaves, gets called out, and then it's just you in the class, the rest of the class, and you're looking around going, what the fuck's going on?
Well, if that's real, if that's what's running this thing, I assume it's his cabinet that's running everything.
But even then, is that really how it's supposed to be?
It's kind of not.
It's kind of the weird thing about running for president when you already have a job.
That's why people get mad at governors who run for president.
It's like, hey, bro.
You're supposed to be governing.
Like, we got a lot of problems here.
You're clearly not...
It's like, if you don't want to quit your job to apply for another job, the people that have already employed you are like, hey, fuckface, you're not even here every day.
You're trying to get this other job.
This is nuts.
Like, I've never seen an employee where you're not on the job, and yet you're still here, and if you don't get the new job, you get to come back and be in this job?
That's crazy!
Why did we let that happen?
If you want to be governor, okay, you're governor.
You want to run for president, you've got to quit being governor.
Or you've got to do your term out, because you're going to leave us anyway.
So if you have two more years left and the elections are on, you're going to leave us.
You're going to leave us high and dry here, you fuckhead.
Quit the job!
Quit the fucking job!
You can't have two jobs!
So that's the nuttiest thing about running for president for reelection, right?
So in Kamala Harris's case, she's not necessarily really running for reelection because she's the vice president, but she's also the vice president that's running for president.
So she has the second most important job in the world, and she's not doing it because she has to run for the first most important job.
I have to say, when it comes to legal immigration, I haven't been to a place that's more pro-immigrant at the level of the ordinary person than this country.
We love a guy who comes here from Nigeria, and now he's worth a billion dollars, and he made his own computer company.
Like, holy shit, look at that.
This guy came from nothing.
We love a come from nothing.
That's the things that my friends from England always tell me, is that there's this real sort of, there's an idea in the culture to keep people in their place.
And they don't like when someone has wild aspirations, and they'll try to shit on you.
He says there's no support at all for you chasing your dreams.
And now the tax system too, with this government that we have now, they're literally, we're losing more millionaires than any other country in the world except China.
He said it's like you should go there and do American stand-up, because they're basically, like, a lot of them are telling stories, and they have a theme every year.
But he goes, it's really cool, though.
It's a cool, like, art environment.
So if they come along and say that all that stuff's hate speech now, you've killed the whole thing.
The picture was controversial for sexual explicitness, including acts like female on male rape, but unlike the novel, received little to no critical praise and has been cited as one of the worst films ever made.
In subsequent decades, the film has developed a cult following.
Oh, yeah Rolling Stone doesn't even play brown sugar anymore I went to see them in concert and they said they would not put what they've already said in interviews It's like it's too controversial song and then I saw the lyrics Like, I had only heard the song.
I had never, like, read the lyrics.
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And so, you know when Team Mick Jagger's singing, it's hard to understand what the fuck he's saying.
I saw an interview with Keith Richards where they were like, where the person said to him, and maybe this was Keith Richards fucking about with the journalist, where the journalist went, so, you know, obviously Brown Sugar's about heroin.
Yes.
And Keith Richards went, no, bro, it's about sleeping with black women.
There is now a vacuum for people to step in because it got to the point, particularly with TV comedy in the UK, and I remember saying it to comics and a comedy club, people's WhatsApp group is now funnier than TV comedy.
And part of the reason is because if everybody saw your WhatsApp group, we'd all be cancelled.
We don't believe it, but certain people want to use it because they're words written on paper or words spoken out loud, and they want to use it as if it's a real statement.
Just like the analogy I made about Quentin Tarantino movies.
It's not really killing anybody in those movies.
It's like you want to pretend that this thing that this person's doing, you could decide it sucks, you could decide it's hateful, you don't like it, it's not your kind of comedy, it's punching down.
You can come up with all sorts of reasons why you don't like it.
But that's like the same kind of reasons why you don't like ACDC, you know, and you like Liz Phair.
Like everybody has their own thing that they like and don't like.
But you can't pretend that it's a statement.
It's not a statement.
It's comedy.
And I swear to God, if you see him do it on stage, it fucking kills.
And then it got to the point where you only had to write Joe Rogan—they fixed it a little—where you write Joe Rogan Trump interview, and then it would come up.
But if you just wrote Rogan Trump, only you get the clips.
I think they're desperate because they had no idea it was going to be that popular and it's a runaway train and they hate it because ideologically they're opposed to the idea of him being more popular.
It's just like what we were talking about before, the left wing being in control of these massive Media distribution companies like YouTube or like Facebook.
They're massive companies They have so much influence on everything and they didn't like that this one was slipping away and so they did something and Jamie showed me like the image of the Interactions like when it when they did that it dropped off a cliff Because people couldn't find it so they just gave up or they just watch the clips So you see like how much downloads it's getting and then it just What about that claim about the reporting taking it down?
What's that?
Yeah, that could be it too, right?
They were saying that if you mass report something enough...
The reason why this election is so dangerous is we've accepted that someone could be the representative without going through a primary.
So, because we had to get rid of Joe Biden, and everybody kind of agreed after the debate, like, oh my god, he's literally falling apart.
And they decided not to have a primary.
And so, once they do that, then you have the whole machine behind it, because there's a desperate attempt to redefine who this person is in front of everybody's eyes.
This person that everybody thought, like, uses word salad, and all of a sudden, now they're the number one person.
This is our savior.
Barack Obama's behind her.
Everybody's behind her.
Like, it has to happen like that.
And that's kind of crazy because they don't have much time and they're kind of manufacturing a thing.
They don't look at the idea that Bernie was getting too popular.
And that was the first experience that I really had with getting attacked by the mainstream news.
Like CNN was saying that Bernie was on my show, that my show was sexist and racist or whatever the fuck it was.
And, you know, that Bernie was doing a terrible thing by coming on my show.
And that was when I saw, I was like, oh, they're trying to get rid of Bernie.
This is really interesting.
You have the most popular podcast in the country.
Why wouldn't he want to express his ideas out to the world?
Because they didn't want him, and he was appealing after that kind of a conversation.
And you're like, oh, so you're just going to take a fraction of a penny off of speculative trades, and you'll be able to fund all these things like education?
Really?
Can you really do that?
And I was like...
Okay.
Tell me what you can do.
Like, you've been around this fucking rodeo for a long-ass time.
Maybe this guy's got a way of looking at things that is, uh, maybe it'll work.
And then I saw the machine.
And then they got him out of the primaries.
I was like, whoa, this is kind of crazy.
They're willing to do that.
They did it with RFK. They would not let him have a primary.
They wouldn't allow him to compete against Joe Biden.
No fucking way.
They had one guy, and that was Joe Biden, until it wasn't.
And then when it wasn't, it was like, Kamala, you gotta be it and then they just went hard pushing her through and it worked really good until some of these interviews, right?
Because that those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk You know you have live cameras in front of you and all these people and already She's got to be aware of how many people are hating on her.
She has to be aware She has to be aware of how many people don't think she deserves a spot.
The polls had her winning, like, by a huge margin.
I think on election night, it was like a 90% chance she was going to be the president, something crazy.
So for him to show that the polls were bullshit, It's good in a way, but it's also like now they're going to tighten things down significantly.
If the same sort of apparatus that would keep a guy like Bernie Sanders out or a guy like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. out, they're not playing fair.
They're not interested in playing fair.
They're interested in winning.
Whatever the fuck it takes to get through this thing and win.
They want to keep their jobs.
It's like...
They're they're engaging in corporate warfare.
It's like or legal fair It's like they're used they're weaponizing the justice system to go after their opponent They're doing everything they can all of the things.
Probably because they went through it to get a fucking ID. Right.
Right?
Ethnic minorities went through it, became American citizens, actually got the legal right to vote, they're proud of it, and they're like, hey, do what I did.
It's also you're giving power to the people that take advantage of these illegal immigrants, air quotes, because they can get those people to work for less money.
So you're empowering bad people to use cheap illegal labor.
And that becomes a problem because they'd use it all the time, especially if there's no inspections.
I mean, how many different plants have been busted across the country using illegal aliens?
It happens all the time.
Construction sites.
Happens all the time.
In fact, Tim Dillon said that that was one of the, he believes, one of the motivations of having the border so porous, he thinks, is to get cheap labor.
Because it's hard to get cheap labor.
And so if you're working a construction site and you got a bunch of illegals working for you, they have no rights.
You know, they can work for a fraction of the minimum wage and it's way more money than they were getting when they were in Mexico.
And then you're putting them up in a house so they all live together.
They're pickled peach.
They're fucking happy as shit.
They can't believe they're in America and they're actually making money and there's a road to at least some level of prosperity that exists here.
So they'll work for less money.
So you're empowering scumbags to pay people below, you know, standard wages.
And then you're crippling all the people that are the workers, who don't have any say, who are illegally, who are, you know, they know what they're supposed to get.
They demand fair wages and health insurance and all the things that you should get employees.
Yeah, and it's also as well, look, my mom's Venezuelan, so, and I've got family in this country, I know a lot of Venezuelan people in this country, and then I see what illegal Venezuelans are doing, like El Tren de Aragua, that gang.
I need to do it, otherwise no one believes me, Joe.
But, you know, I can tell you this for a fact.
Every single Venezuelan who came here legally works hard, went through the hoops, To escape Venezuela, to create a better life for themselves and their family, are utterly mortified and horrified at the actions of those criminals and what is happening in this country.
Because not only is it terrible for the victims, but it also reflects badly on us.
Like, you now go on Venezuelan and people think, oh what, like that criminal gang?
Well, it's also weird that it's taking place in what they call a sanctuary city, where the cops are kind of, they're handcuffed as to what they can do with these people.
And one of the weirdest ones was someone was having a conversation with this woman where they were talking about these gangs.
I forget who it was.
It might have been J.D. Vance.
I forget who it was.
But the woman was saying that it's only a couple of apartment complexes that have been taken over.
In the United States of America, armed gangs from Venezuela have taken over a couple of apartment buildings in your city.
And you think it's not a big deal?
You're trying to minimize that?
How crazy that is?
That illegal aliens who came across, who are armed to the tits, are part of a dangerous, enormous, organized gang, have taken over apartment buildings and are extorting all the people that live there.
If I wanted to buy votes, I mean, if I was a sociopath, right, which is what a corporation really is, right?
As a psychopath, how do they...
Isn't that...
There's a great book about that, right?
Defining a corporation as a psychopath, as we talked about before this...
Need to constantly grow, and this obligation to your shareholders to do whatever it takes to make the most amount of money.
If you were a corporation and you wanted to control the whole country, what would you do?
Well, I would incentivize people to vote one way, and I would move them in and make their life way better than it ever was before, and then let them in, and the other side saying, we're going to deport you.
Well then, the other side's definitely not who you're gonna vote for.
So now all I have to do is let you vote.
So I can either let you vote by telling you how you don't need ID, just go ahead and vote.
I can do it by offering amnesty to a certain amount of people.
And then there's this thing that they keep saying that these people are here legally.
But the way they're here legally is a new thing.
And this new thing that they started doing during COVID is they use this shipping app To schedule amnesty meetings now.
So they allow you to get into the country with this app that was really only for shipping.
Pull that app up again, Jamie.
So this app was originally used, so like say if you came here from England or whatever and you wanted to sell some stuff, you could be here for a while while you're shipping and bringing your stuff over.
This is like a way that you could register so they know where you are and then you could leave.
So now they changed it during COVID and made it so this app now allows you to schedule an entrance into the country.
So you don't have to have...
There's no vetting.
There's no checking on you.
There's no who you are.
But through this app, you could schedule time.
They'll compensate you.
They put you up.
They bring you to places.
So this is U.S. Customs Border Protection app.
So it's...
CBP1, Mobile Passport Control, MPC, and MyCBP.
So it was launched in October 2020. CBP1 is a free app that provides access to a variety of CBP services.
It uses guided questions to help users find the right services, forms, or applications.
CBP1 was originally used to help commercial trucking companies schedule cargo inspections.
In 2023, the app was expanded to allow unauthorized migrants to request asylum and book appointments at the U.S.-Mexico border.
The real question is why are so many of them showing up in swing states?
That's the real question.
That seems a little suspect.
If you're moving people to swing states and then you have people like Nancy Pelosi and I forget who else it was...
They were making the argument that we need immigrants because Americans are not having enough babies.
You know, this is Elon's argument.
He's made this population collapse argument, which doesn't seem right to people because they're stuck in traffic, but it is right.
If you really pay attention to the amount of people that are actually having children and what it's going to be like in the future, South Korea apparently is a gigantic disaster.
And it's also as well, then what you are naturally going to get, if that is a concern, a major concern for the average working person, you are going to get a politician who is going to address those concerns and is going to make it front and center of their campaign.
Of course they are.
Because that is politics and that's how it works and that's a good thing.
You need those people to address the concerns of ordinary people.
But then they come in and then they start going, this is a Nazi rally, this is so...
And you're just going, oh, not only do you not want to have the conversation, not only do you want to justify your ideas, you want to bully, smear and harass those people with perfectly legitimate concerns.
Yes.
In order to shut them up.
So what you're going to get is what happens when someone has a very real concern about something and you smear them and you call them horrendous names.
Those concerns aren't going to go anywhere.
They're going to get really angry, they're going to fester, and eventually it will turn into something nasty.
By doing this and continually ratcheting up the police, like a pressure cooker, continually ratcheting up the pressure, eventually it's going to boil over.
And I look at them and I think to myself, do you know the forces that you are messing with?
Do you understand what you're doing?
Because eventually, this is going to turn nasty.
And I really don't want it to.
I hope it doesn't.
But you can only do this place so many times before people go, you know what?
Yeah, and they run the risk of that in Aurora, Colorado.
They really do.
They run the risk of that with these gangs taking over apartment buildings and them not stopping it.
All of it's very scary, because that's what everyone's worried about.
What everyone's worried is that our level of crime is going to rise up, because you're bringing people from crime-ridden areas that have criminal backgrounds, and you're letting them in without vetting them, and you're going to increase the crime.
And you're going to increase organized crime and cartel crime.
That scares the fuck out of people, and it should.
And you can't let that in just because you want to win.
You can't let that in as a side effect of this goal that you have to bring in these people that are probably wonderful people that just want a better life, and they take this crazy journey where they walk on foot across the country.
I would do it, too.
I would 100% do it, too, and I think you would as well.
If you were living in those countries and the Red Cross gave you a map and said, this is what you got to do, you got to make it up here and go to these people to give you a cell phone, like, okay, you would do it.
Why wouldn't you do it?
If they know you're going to get let in and then you get money and food stamps and they'll put you up at a house?
What?
Of course you'd do it.
And then you have these places like New York City where these enormous luxury hotels are completely occupied.
With immigrants.
What was that movie that that luxury hotel was in?
There's like a famous movie.
Is it the Jennifer Lopez movie, Made in Manhattan?
Is that the movie where they have those people...
Hold up.
Find out if that's it.
But it's like a famous luxury hotel.
And then all the poor people in America are like, hey, motherfucker, what about us?
What about us?
What about the veterans?
What about homeless people?
What about all these people that are down on their luck?
So if you're a hotel guy, right, and Homelands, whoever it is that runs this program, comes along and says, hey, we'll fully occupy your hotel...
24-7 will give you X amount of money.
Maybe it's more money than you would get if you were at full occupation.
You're like, okay.
Sounds like a great deal.
And so now you have housing for all these people.
And then the people that are living here are very upset.
And they should be.
You see it all the time.
People in Chicago are fucking fed up, man.
They're like, we've been trying to solve the crime and the poverty problem here forever.
Citi would not say how much it costs to keep the facility running every day, but Immigrant Affairs Commissioner Manuel Castro emphasized how the cost should be coming from the federal government.
We hope that the federal government does more in support of asylum seekers.
America would save a lot of money if it put a lot more money into finding out who's coming here, making sure people have a legitimate claim, they've applied legally, and then you're spending the money where it's supposed to be spent, and then you've got a safe fucking country.
Right, but here's the thing, like if there was more American manufacturing, and this is one of the things that Trump really wants to pursue, is incentivizing American manufacturing and putting tariffs on things that are brought in from overseas.
If there's more American manufacturing, first of all, one of the things that was exposed during COVID, it was a big one, was how much we rely on stuff that comes from other countries, you know, especially medications.
A lot of it was coming from China.
And there's a lot of equipment, a lot of things got stuck.
This article's also, like, not blaming, but saying a lot has to do with, in 2023, the end of Title 42, where they couldn't expel people for COVID-related reasons anymore.
Yeah, and the way they talk about it, you know, like Trump did that too.
They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats.
Also, a lot of them are very hard workers.
If you talk to Springfield, Ohio, one of the things that these people that employ some of these people are saying is they're so thankful that they have this opportunity there.
Haitians are just like everybody else, man.
They're just fucking people that want to do better.
And a lot of these people that hire these folks are saying they're super hard workers, they're doing jobs that nobody wants, they're very thankful for it, it's an opportunity for them.
And then also you have bad people.
Just like all groups of people that come from war-torn, fucked-up places, and they come over here, you're gonna have good ones and bad ones.
I'm just saying, I just wish that ire, which is perfect, like what you're saying, Francis, this is the point you made very well, is like, you just wish that ire was directed at the people who are allowing this to happen instead of the people who are coming, because that's not going to make things better either.
What we need is, we need to vet people, but also we need protections to make sure that people aren't being forced to work for inhumane wages.
And if we start doing that in America, we're no different than Foxconn in China with the fucking suicide nets around the building.
We're allowing people to take advantage of people that have no hope.
One of the great things about American manufacturing, if you have a plant in America and you have regulations in terms of what they're supposed to be paid and healthcare and the amount of hours they work...
you can ensure that you don't have to feel bad about buying a thing from those people.
Like if you buy whatever, you know, something that you know is made in America for sure, like if you buy a Ford truck that's made in Ohio or wherever they make them, hopefully it's made in America.
So then, wait, you don't have to feel bad that, like, that's what's going on with all these people coming across here, ironically.
They moved so many jobs and so many things over to Mexico to get people to work for almost nothing so that these fucking corporations can make a little bit more money.
And we allowed that to happen.
And when we allowed that to happen, they killed American manufacturing.
They killed it.
That's that Roger and Me movie.
Have you ever seen Michael Moore's documentary on it about Flint, Michigan?
It's a great documentary, but they just pulled out of Michigan, where they were making all the cars, and then these people have nothing.
They were check to check while they were working there, and then instant Extreme poverty.
It doesn't matter, like, you know, the level of job that you have, but if you're going out, particularly for men, and you're doing a job, maybe you hate it, but you know what?
You're earning enough money, you can feed your kids, you can feed your family, you go, I'm doing my job as a man.
I am doing what I am meant to do.
When you take those jobs, which a lot of, like, for instance, in our country, in the UK, a lot of these places were built around the factory.
The plant, they were the literal hub of the community, and then you had bars and cafes and restaurants around that.
When you take that out of a community, you are ripping the literal soul out of it.
And all of a sudden, these people who once had purpose and dignity have got nothing.
And it doesn't matter.
Even if you give them money and you go, look, here's your benefits.
Nobody wants that.
Nobody wants a life that's aimless.
Nobody wants a life where you are dependent on handouts.
This is what scares me about the future, really, because of AI. What scares me about the future, and Andrew Yang was really the first guy to bring this up.
He was talking about automation, and I think that automation and AI, they built a whole road in China in a very short period of time, just using robots and AI. Did you see that?
They're fucking super effective and they're gonna get more effective.
So you have less mistakes.
You completely eliminate human error.
You know, and then once they iron the systems out and they get them even better and better and more robust, you're gonna have no need for so many people that are working.
So what do you do?
You give them universal basic income?
You tell them find something that gives you purpose?
Like, oh Christ!
At the same time, they have AI goggles and fucking, they're watching virtual reality all day and they're not even living in the world anymore.
You're just getting a check from the government and free food?
I don't think you could stop it unless something disastrous happens, like a nuclear war or some sort of a horrific natural disaster that kills the grid.
We are probably just a decade away from an unrecognizable world.
2014 is not that different than 2024. It's kind of real similar.
Cars look the same.
You still have an iPhone.
It's not that you still have a laptop.
How much is different?
Your internet's a little faster.
How much is different?
Not that much.
2024 to 2034 is going to be fucking bananas.
We could see a complete upheaval of society.
If you have one party that's completely in control of the political process, you know like there's no room for a third party now because they've kind of boxed out The third party.
There's libertarians, but like, good luck.
Good luck.
I voted for a couple of them.
Good luck.
They can't win, right?
Maybe you could get to that point where Republicans can't win.
That could be real.
And then the Democrats are going to act just like all tyrants, all groups of people that have massive control over everything.
They don't want to relinquish some control for the sake of democracy.
Shut the fuck up.
The only people that have ever did that were the Greeks, and they were on drugs.
Yeah, and it's also coming at the same time as transhumanism.
It's coming at the same time as this potential integration with artificial intelligence that we're experiencing.
Augmented goggles, which is like the tip of the spear, and then you're going to eventually get chips.
You know, once things like Neuralink and there's a few other competing programs, once they develop something that enhances human productivity, enhances your mental capacity, your ability to perform, maybe physical capacity, You know, they're gonna be able to do things in our lifetime that are gonna make being a regular human seem stupid.
Just like being naked in the cold seems stupid.
Like, why would you be naked?
You could just be warm, you fucking idiot.
They're freezing when you can have a nice down jacket on, you fucking moron.
And that's what it's gonna be like cognitively.
Like, why would you want to be depressed when you can have clarity and enlightenment?
And you could have instantaneous access to the wireless grid as long as you don't have bad thinking, as long as you don't do anything that we don't like, as long as we don't have to shut you off.
My fear is that it's going to get to a point where why don't we use AI for government and have really objective government that doesn't have greed or lust or desire or the need for power, ego, or to be validated.
And that word, it's supposed to have a very specific meaning.
And it's like, it was a kind of a thing where, like, if someone said that about somebody, you'd go like, holy shit, I better really make sure this guy isn't that.
It's not good and it also is not good for them because all those mainstream media companies, all the MSNBCs of the world that are doing this kind of shit, you're gonna lose more and more credibility.
Like you're already hemorrhaging credibility.
This is the reason why the Washington Post, why Jeff Bezos had to make that Write that article.
So we need more representation of conservative voices.
We can't be just endorsing presidents because you all agree to one thing and you want to, like, educate the world.
We're not activists.
We're supposed to be journalists.
This is the reason why this business is hemorrhaging money and lost amazing amounts of credibility.
Like, stunning.
We've never seen a time where more people have lost faith in mainstream news.
It's one of the things you talk about, and you talk about it brilliantly.
Words have changed their meaning.
Words no longer mean what they used to.
I saw this post from Marc Maron, and it's like he was going for the world record about trying to mention the word fascist every other sentence.
And I'm going, and I'm sure, look, I'm sure Mark's a decent guy and whatever else, but I'm sure if you sat down with Mark and you'd go, Mark, explain to me what fascism is.
And as soon as you conveniently categorize something as fascist and white supremacy, I think is another word he likes to use, you're being silly and you're ruining your own credibility.
You're going to get a bunch of people that agree with you.
Yeah, right on, man.
But they're silly, too.
We're just a bunch of human beings trying to coexist.
What we want out of this election is a greater country.
The country's supposed to be a team.
That's what it's supposed to be.
It's the most amazing thing, this idea that we're all in this together.
Collectively, we're a tribe of people.
But we, because of our fucking stupid instincts to be on teams, we've divided ourselves right down the middle, essentially.
I mean, depending on whose poll or what you want to read, it's kind of like pretty close down the middle.
And one side thinks the other side is the end of everything, and the other side thinks the same.
Yeah, it's it's so stupid It's so stupid and it's just we don't have much time human beings live a hundred if you're lucky I'm 57 some three-quarters of the way dead if I'm lucky if everything goes great Why spend any time on nonsense?
Why spend any time?
Just pledging allegiance to your tribe.
Why not just try to have a perspective that will enhance this situation and let people understand that we're really over our skis.
We're out of our fucking minds.
We're really like foaming at the mouth here.
There's important things, and the important thing is we've got to figure out a way that we don't have a nuclear war.
We've got to figure out a way to make it easier to make a living.
We've got to figure out a way to make it safer for people.
We have to figure out a way to secure the borders and make sure that we're not letting in terrorists.
We've got to figure out a way to not have terror cells activated because it's going to be convenient politically.
We've got to figure out a way to not have FBI agents inciting people to enter the Capitol building.
We've got to figure out a way to – there's a lot of shit we have to figure out collectively as a group.
And people don't talk about this tragic element enough.
If you think about it, we live in an ever more atomized society.
We hang out less.
Our social groups are getting smaller and smaller.
That's just a fact of how society's going.
Think about the people who've lost friends.
Whose relationships broke up, marriages broke up over politics.
There's a guy right now in the UK waking up in a little flat somewhere and he's looking around and he went, oh fuck, I lost my marriage, I don't see my kids anymore because of Brexit.
It's like if you're married to a Trump supporter and you're a Harris supporter and you're fighting over the dinner table, that person's the enemy.
It happens to people all the time.
Or people get red-pilled, you know, and then they sort of like want to leave their ideological group and then the other person that you're with, maybe a business partner, maybe your lover, they hate you now.
Did you You're part of the enemy.
And a bunch of people that don't give a fuck about you.
They don't care about you.
And you've pledged allegiance to people that don't even know your name.
Like when we were standing in that line in New York, there was a guy that walked past and he was like, enjoy your fucking Nazi rally to like a family with young kids.
Yeah, I mean that would be how you'd really, like when you see two people on a panel and they're talking about things and one person really knows what they're talking about like Bill Maher or whatever.
When that happens, it's always fascinating to watch someone like way out of their league and they get exposed.
But that same person could be doing a softball interview and they look like a wizard.
They look like a genius.
Because they already have their predetermined answers to questions that have already been presented to them.
So they prepare.
And that's essentially what you've been getting a lot with Kamala Harris.
You've been getting a lot of this prepared stuff.
You know, well, I was born in a middle class family.
And she has this thing that she's going to say and, you know.
I had an argument with a friend of mine once about divorce and that women get more in divorce.
We were talking about how the divorce system is kind of fucked because lawyers prey upon it in order to jack up their rates, and then they turn the couple against each other.
They're like, wait, well, he said this.
Put that motherfucker.
And then next thing you know, I want more.
And then really what's happening is the lawyer's jacking up his rates.
He's dragging things out.
And then I know guys that have been devastated by divorces.
And his argument was like, yeah, but isn't it fair that the woman gets all the money?
Because women only make 75 cents a dollar for what men make.
I go, do you know that's not true?
Do you understand what that is?
And he didn't want to believe it.
He was like, no, that's not what it is.
I go, they have different jobs.
And they work different hours.
That's where the 75 cents comes from.
It's not like a guy and a woman work together at the same job.
They both do the same job and the guy makes a dollar and she makes 75 cents.
That's not how it works.
He was like, no fucking way.
I goes, yeah.
And then we looked it up.
He's like, whoa.
Because in his mind, it was always the labor market is unfair because women are getting fucked over because men take advantage of them the way we're talking about them taking advantage of illegal immigrants and making them work for less.
No, if you were working in a corporation, a woman does just as good a job as a man, and yet she's willing to work for 75 cents, you'd have only women working for you.
Because, look, the vast majority of people The vast majority only care about fairness.
They want it to be fair, or as fair as possible.
And when something is so egregious and so unfair, that's where anger takes hold, that's where resentment takes hold, and that's when people get nasty.
Because they feel that they've been cheated, and in some cases they have, and they go, you know what, I'm not going to take part in your game, your game's rigged.
So you know what, fuck you, fuck your game, and this is what I'm gonna do.
And once that happens, you don't have conversations, you don't have good faith, and you don't have any type of solution to the problem.
Yeah, and the thing that's gonna help that is psychedelics.
Take it off the schedule one, you fucking dumbasses.
Bunch of people that have never experienced it.
There's a lot of hope in the future, and I think one of the big hopes is that these kind of conversations that we have are popular, where that wasn't even a thing 20 years ago.
It was impossible to get.
If you were having a conversation about issues, it would be on television, and it would be approved experts.
It'd be someone who's an expert from a university or someone who's an expert from a corporation, and they would be talking to you about things, or someone from the government.
Like in the UK, the Conservative Party is having an election now.
Like whoever wins that, we'll have them on our show and have a conversation and find out, you know, what they're all about.
And by the time of the next election here and in the UK... I think this is going to be the primary vehicle if you want to get your message out there, this kind of conversation.
Well, I think they're probably all going to do their own, too, which would behoove them.
Let's say someone like Rand Paul.
If Rand Paul decided to make a podcast, I bet that would be pretty fucking popular, real popular.
Look what happened to Tucker Carlson after he left Fox News.
They fired him from Fox News because they didn't like what he was talking about.
I don't know what the whole story was.
I've heard a bunch of different versions of it, but the bottom line is he became way bigger.
If you thought he was a problem when you had him under control, when he was working for a corporation, now he can talk about whatever he wants.
He's got some guy on who said he sucked Obama's dick That guy up for like an hour and a half Talking about doing blow with Obama and blowing him That was crazy Fucking nuts I was like, what are you doing?
Like, this is crazy.
But that's the kind of shit you can do if you don't have any sort of guardrails.
But I think when people are craving a middle ground, people crave that.
People desire that.
One of the reasons that the BBC is in free fall at the moment and they're hemorrhaging viewers and listeners and all the rest of it is because people think that they're biased and they have every right to.
But when people talk about the demise of the BBC, most people, they're not happy about it.
They're sad because they know that it was a valuable place where people from left and right came together to debate ideas, to share ideas, and people would listen and make up their own minds.
People still crave that, Joe, and that's what gives me hope, is that that's what people want.
You're going to get people who want to listen to, you know, I was in a gangbang with Obama or whatever it was.
People are going to...
People are going to clip that now and whatever, but you know, that's a fringe.
But the average person is curious and they just want to hear a center ground.
And they want a source that's interesting and reliable, and that's what the BBC used to be.
You know, the BBC, they put on that Attenborough documentary where we went to the Congo.
The first time they ever saw chimpanzees eat monkeys.
Remember that?
That's Attenborough.
That's BBC. The BBC had one of the best documentaries on the Congo I've ever seen in my life.
It's incredible.
I used to have it on VHS. It's a multi-part documentary on the Congo.
They used to do incredible stuff.
But in America, to a lesser extent, that was Vice News.
Like, Vice News used to be incredible.
Vice News used to do all this really interesting stuff, and I had Shane Smith on from Vice News, who started it, used to be the head of it, and then he walked away from it, and it completely fell apart.
Well, he left, and then it wasn't just that he left.
It was also like, who were the people that were coming in, right?
There are these young, woke kids that are coming in from universities, and all of a sudden, they had this idea of what they should be doing in journalism.
And it's journalism slash activism, and it just became bullshit.
And nobody paid attention to it anymore, and it lost all its money.
Well, I think the way to do it is the way it's probably going to be independent mainstream media.
And when it stops being independent, people will give up on it and go to a real independent one.
And unfortunately, there'll probably be fake independent ones that are like state-sponsored that are trying to make it look like they're real.
You're going to get a bunch of CIA plants and a bunch of different intelligence agencies that infiltrate podcasts.
You're going to have that kind of stuff.
But that's just like, you know, that's like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case when you have 12 different FBI informants and two people that don't know what the fuck is going on.
These are the people that are coordinating the kidnapping.
It's mostly the FBI informants, which is just nuts.
But if you do and you're open about it, people accept that.
People go, you know, okay, you know, Joe's, you know, whatever Joe is, I'm whatever you, Constantine is whatever he is.
But...
They will be far more accepting of that because you are honest, you're authentic.
It's like David Mamet said, words that come from the heart go to the heart.
And if you are prepared to have that honest conversation whilst admitting that this is what you think and this is what you believe, that is a far richer, more fulfilling experience for the viewer or the listener than someone just giving out talking points and saying, I agree, because that rapidly gets very boring.
There's an audience for it, but, you know, back and forth and the cut and thrust and hang on, you said this, but I love watching that.
Well, real honest discourse is fascinating, especially by two intelligent people that have different perspectives.
It's fascinating, because you say, this guy's obviously very smart, and this person's obviously very smart, and they're talking, and you get a chance to see, like, how do you come to your conclusions?
Are you willing to admit that other people have points?
Or are you just steamrolling them when they question you about something that's contradictory about the way you think?
Like, how are you thinking?
And I think we all learn by watching other people think and discuss things.
That means that issue is so complicated you cannot discuss it in five minutes.
It's going to take hours and something really it's going to take you know sometimes it's going to take years of research to come to a conclusion about certain things.
The idea that you can adjudicate that through the medium of two people having a bust up on a show where they're just it's optimized for anger and outrage.
That's ridiculous.
That's not how you get to the truth.
The way you get to the truth is you take your time and you have a conversation.
And also, it's why I believe, you know, I hate political correctness because it stops conversations from happening.
Or what it does is it means, like, take immigration.
If, like, you say, or if you say this point of view, that's racist, you're only going to talk about 70% of the problem.
You're not going to talk about this 30% here.
If you don't talk about this 30% here because it's politically incorrect, you are never going to solve the problem because the only way to solve the problem is to talk about every facet of the problem.
And if you're not going to approach that 30%, we ain't ever going to come to a solution.
You know, the real fear if Trump wins is civil discourse or civil unrest, rather, in this country.
A lot of people are scared of that because they remember what happened when he won in 2016. You know, and there was some of it that was real peaceful, like the Women's March.
There was no violence at the Women's March to speak of.
I'm sure there was some, but it wasn't like the BLM marches.
I think there's a certain amount of that that's coordinated, and I think there's a certain amount of that that they do to initiate civil unrest to further their political goals.
I think there's a certain amount of that that's real.
I think that's always been the case.
There's always been agent provocateurs that go into peaceful protests and start smashing things so the cops can come in and shut everything down.
And then there was during the BLM, I'm sure you saw during some of the protests and riots that there was these bricks that were just left everywhere.
Did you see that?
Yeah, there was at some places there was pallets of bricks that were just left in the middle of the course of where these protests would be.
Didn't make any sense.
Like, why is this there?
And there was all these conspiracy theories and there's all these people that are absolutely dismissing the conspiracy theories.
I'm like, why would you dismiss it?
Do you think that some people benefit from civil unrest?
They certainly do.
If you wanted to get the public riled up, you just start smashing things and lighting them on fire and give people this feeling that they can do that.
That was a while and and a lot of the people who were right at the front of that cheerleading it on from the sidelines It's like what they did with Joe Biden like Yesterday he was the leader of the free world this perfect guy.
He's got no cognitive issues and then tomorrow bam He's done well the defund the police stuff You know that was all that was all about defunding the police.
Do you you don't know jack shit about police work?
And you're saying defund the police but even some people that knew about it were using it as a political tool and Kamala Harris was saying defund the police.
It's actually dispiriting because when you saw those events happening, you just felt like...
I was watching it going, what is happening?
What is happening to society?
Because every time someone commits a crime and they get away with it and you see it, it has a demoralizing effect on you because you think, hang on a minute, I work hard.
I pay tax.
I do all of this, and you're allowed to just go around, roam scot-free, nick all the stuff, and then there's no repercussions for it.
So why am I taking part in a system which is effectively punishing me?
He was not arrested for his position on transgender pronouns, as claimed in misleading social media posts.
Social media users shared a video, Burke's arrest outside the school September 2nd, where he's heard saying, I have a right to work here, I have a right to be here, not to tell students that they need to take puberty blockers.
It says there, um, other people off camera also say you're arresting him because he won't endorse gender, transgender ideology.
And Enoch Burke, teacher, being arrested for not accepting transgenderism.
People circulating the clip online suggest Burke was arrested for his views with some writing, breaking Irish police arrest teacher Enoch Burke for not endorsing trans ideology.
So was he fired for not that?
Terms of injunction that instructs him to stay away from the school.
So he must have been fired for that.
And then he refused to just leave.
And so he kept coming back and then they arrested him.
You know, this is the thing that I find the most egregious is when you get kids involved.
Because the thing is with kids...
Kids don't know.
They don't understand the concept, a lot of them, especially at a young age, of gender.
And they're very impressionable of children.
Of course they are.
So you can pump them full of this stuff, and eventually they can believe it.
They're not like adults who go, hang on a minute, mate.
The odd kid is, but the majority of them are highly suggestible.
That's why children have parents, because they're not capable of making their own choices.
It really is that simple.
That's why there's teachers.
That's why there's adult leaders.
So they go to them.
You are not capable of making this decision because your brain is not mature enough.
It is not developed enough.
I am an adult.
I will be the one making your choices.
And then when you get to whatever age, age 18, 21, depending on the thing, then you can go off and you can live your life and you can do whatever you want.
Until then...
I am the one in charge.
And to this idea that then you then let something as huge as this, where there's going to be medical intervention and surgeries, I'm going to call it what it is, Joe.
Sort of describing more, but it's still like he said he didn't want to call the student they, so they told him administrative leave and he kept coming back to the school.
Um, instructed staff that a pupil who was transitioning to another gender wished to be referred to by a new name and the pronouns they, a change supported by the pupil's parents.
Burke from Castle Bar, County Mayo, who teaches history, refused, citing his religious beliefs.
The school put Burke on paid administrative leave after he allegedly confronted the principal at a public event and questioned her in a heated manner, a claim Burke denies.
After Burke continued to attend the school, It obtained a court order barring him from the campus.
He continued to show up, prompting his jailing for contempt of court.
But, you know, this again is what gives me hope, Joe, is that, especially in the UK, we have fought really long and hard against this stuff.
There was a report done by one of the...
One of the most important pediatricians called Dr. Cass and the Cass Report.
And it basically took a bulldozer to all of this crap.
To all of it.
And you go, this is what we can do if...
We just start challenging and we go, no, boys cannot become girls.
Girls cannot become boys.
That doesn't mean that if somebody is having gender dysphoria, they have therapy.
Talk to them.
Help them.
Of course, all of this thing.
We need to look at the reasons why girls are wanting to transition in their droves.
Why is this?
Particularly 40% of girls who are Wanting to transition, they've got autism.
We need to talk about this, we need to investigate it, and we need to help these kids.
But just giving puberty blockers and sending them on this stream to essentially have their life medicalized for the rest of time, that ain't a solution.
You know, I wonder about that online stuff because based on what I see, I don't see it reflected in like normal day-to-day life.
And we had Ashley St. Clair on our show last time we were in the U.S. And she was talking about all these idiots running around going, repeal the 19th.
You've heard this bullshit?
And she said at the time, she said a lot of this is foreign influence.
I don't think, from what I've seen, I may be wrong about this, I didn't see any evidence that any of the influencers who ended up being paid were on the payroll to do specific things.
Did you see the thing that happened at the Trump boat rally in Florida where a Nazi boat pulled up and they had like swastikas and everything and the whole deal and with masks on and everybody just started hosing them?
Get the fuck out of here because it's a kind of agent provocateur type deal.
Where you probably have someone, some group, that wants to make all the Trump people look like Nazis, so they show up.
And then I saw media outlets report on it, like the Nazi flags we're seeing at the Trump rally.
Yeah, and it's a great point, but the thing we always focus on with the right is the far right, and we should focus on them, and we should talk about them.
There were people in the Labour Party eulogising Chavez round about 2005 at the same time as he was putting my relatives in jail.
And then they were just there going, and then they've all moved on.
And they've disappeared like butterflies in the wind and no one addresses it anymore.
And everyone's like, oh, well, that's fine.
And you go, so where's the consistency?
If you're going to hold the right to account, and you should hold the right to account, you've got to hold your own side to account with people who are like, well, communism was never tried.
And he was pushing Emmanuel to kind of go, why doesn't Kamala Harris come out and say, look, I went along with all this woke shit, like many of us did, right?
That was a moment.
You know, I was wrong about that.
We're not talking about that now.
We're talking about make America better, make America richer.
Why don't those people just draw a line under it and say that was a mistake?
And a lot of people on the center-left now are awake to this moment, I think.
That's why I asked you, because there does seem to be something happening.
Something's happening and I think it was inevitable because it's so much of what people are dealing with is just stupid.
There's so much pushback against it and that's what Trump represents.
That's what the reason why there were 75,000 people outside of Madison Square Garden and the place was overflowing with humans.
That's what it represents.
People are tired of being badgered.
They're tired of being lectured to.
They're tired of being told what to think and what to say and what to believe.
And they don't like it.
They don't like that this one party is – keep talking about change, but they've been in control for 12 out of the past – no, 14 out of the past 16 years.
That's crazy.
How can you be talking about change?
They're tired of it.
They want something to be different that makes them feel like there's hope.
We need someone who's a leader who can articulate that, that's a part of one of the major parties, who can say that and sort of unite people.
And you're not getting that from either side.
Either side is, the other side is stupid, and they're going to be the downfall of us, and this is a dumb person, this is an evil person.
There's no uniting.
It should be...
I don't think you have to do it that way.
I really don't.
Because I think if somebody just avoided all that stuff and just focused entirely on the good things that are possible if we all work together, everybody is not going to listen to their opponent who's constantly shitting on them.
If this one person is shitting on the other person relentlessly and the other person doesn't even respond to it, just talks about what they want to do, that person looks really stupid and petty.
And I think this is a reason why we in the UK have made far greater strides with the whole...
Medical intervention with children issue is because it's not really a political issue.
People on the left have spoken out against it and people on the right and the people like heroes like JK Rowling and the moment you get people like that talking about it on both sides people are then able to listen because it's someone from their side who they think is inverted commas a good person going oh she's talking about it.
Also, the thing in the UK, you guys have socialized medicine.
So there's not this giant machine behind it the way it is here.
The other thing about America is advertisement.
So this is one of two countries in the world where pharmaceutical drug companies can advertise and that's not good.
That's clearly not good.
We're fucking full-on captured by them and the amount of money that they can make and then the whole system behind them is so deeply ingrained in money.
You know, it's just they've got their hooks in deep in politics and television and media.
They got their hooks in deep and that's not good and that's why You can have these conversations in America and medical stuff gets connected to left or right wing.
But the great thing is with America is your First Amendment.
You're so lucky to have that, Joe.
You're so lucky that you don't have...
What we have, where politicians are openly talking about we need to tackle Islamophobia.
I was talking to a very, very senior member of the police.
He came to one of my gigs.
And then we got on the tube home.
And this is a very, very senior guy.
Deals with government.
And I go to him, how long do you think until we have hate speech laws in England?
Because Scotland has a different legal system.
And he went probably two to two and a half years.
And the fact that this guy was just very matter-of-fact about it made me realize that we're in trouble.
We're in trouble.
Because if the government comes in and starts legislating, starts clamping down, that's when you're living under authoritarian regime and run authoritarian rule.
But the fact you have this free speech amendment, and you've said it yourself, if you don't believe in free speech, you're not American, That is such a beautiful thing.
You would think that stopping hate speech would be a good thing, and it would.
It would be great if everybody voluntarily stopped using hate speech.
It would be wonderful.
But as soon as you can define hate speech in as simple a terms as calling someone by their original name when they've decided to change genders, Like, if you don't want to be Francis anymore, but I insist on calling you Francis, and you can put me in jail for that, that's really crazy.
And it's dangerous, because it's just control.
And you can't allow that kind of control to be in the hands of any government body where, because of the words out of your mouth, they can now put you in a cage.
That's a crazy precedent to set.
Forget it.
Put yourself outside of who's right or who's wrong and just think about the concept of the words that you say and opinion that you espouse can put you in a cage.
You don't ever want to give the government that because that can keep moving.
That definition of what is hate can keep moving.
It can keep moving to a really ridiculous place.
Which I think it is if you're doing things like gender identity.
Especially if someone decides, like if Admiral Levine, that person, that Rachel Levine person, if you can't say, hey, that looks like a guy.
If you can't say that, now you're getting locked up for what?
Accurate observations.
This is nuts, and it's dangerous because once you set a precedent, then they can keep moving that further and further down the line.
They attach you to a social credit score system, and then they decide whether or not you can buy groceries.
And now they can kind of dictate your behavior in the way you talk and think, and now we're in 1984. Legit.
Yes, they're signalling to their community that people don't feel safe.
It has the opposite effect.
It just makes Andrew bigger.
People find out about it, they get outraged, they can't wait to get tickets for his new place.
So now he's going to go to a new place that's bigger and better, and their special will be even bigger.
He's an undeniable guy.
There's certain people that are just undeniable forces.
They're undeniably talented.
And they'll find a way through all this stupid shit.
Tony's one of them.
He's undeniable.
He'll make his way through this and be better than ever.
This attacking that they did with Andrew just was so ineffective and it just made him bigger.
But it wasn't really attacking.
They just said they don't want to be a part of it, which I guess if it's your fucking theater and you just have this decision and you want to do it and it's not really going to harm him.
If you understand the publicity effect, what it's going to do is the opposite.
It's going to make this person who just interviewed Trump even more popular.
And he was kind of saying it, not just on my podcast, but there was another podcast where he talked about these men becoming like mentors to young gay boys and that it actually helps them.
And everyone's like, you're talking about pedophilia.
It's considered different when you think about man to boy who is a gay boy versus man to heterosexual girl.
People get much more offended at the idea of a grown man and a young girl that's heterosexual.
That's molesting.
Whereas with a lot of gay guys, and I'm not saying this is right, but their attitude is this is what they wanted when they were 14. That's what Milo said, like, I was a predator.
That's literally what he said on the podcast.
Believe me, I was the predator.
It's like, ridiculous.
But that's his experience, and he was talking about it, and they were like, that's all we needed.
Like, this guy is defending pedophilia, and they went after him.
And that was back in the day when Twitter was solely controlled by the left.
And you could cancel a guy like that.
And it was effective.
And, you know, I remember a lot of arguments when people were trying to de-platform people, like when they de-platformed Trump and there was a few other people that got de-platform, they were saying de-platforming works.
This is what's been shown, de-platforming works.
Right, for a little while, you fucking idiots, it's actually gonna, if someone crazy like Elon comes along and has the money to back it up and says, I'm gonna step in and I'm gonna make a Wild West Twitter, When I had Jack on the podcast, he was talking about doing two versions of Twitter.
Doing a regulated, moderated Twitter, and then a Wild West Twitter.
And I was like, when's the Wild West Twitter?
And that's what Elon did.
He opened up a Wild West Twitter.
Dude, there's some shit that I find on Twitter that I'm like, what?
Like, this is nothing.
They're doing a pretty good job of hiding that, where you've got to click through to see some of the more egregious things that people say.
Right, but you know what they did with those platforms?
They infiltrated those platforms with hate, right?
So like, if maybe reasonable right-wing people decided to leave and start their own thing, you saw these bots that would go to these unregulated places and say the most outrageous, horrible shit, and they might not even be real people.
And according to, we've talked about this many times, but according to an FBI analyst who was examining Twitter and the interactions on Twitter, his estimation was it could be as high as 80% bots.
So if you try to open up, whether it's Truth Social or just pick a name, Gab.
Gab had a problem with that.
You just get bombarded by bots who are trying to ruin your company, right?
Whether that's the government or whether it's competing social media companies.
Like, if there's no laws about this, if there's no laws about creating bots and you're running, you know, whatever it is, threads, and then this other thing opens up and you go, you know what?
Let's fill that place up with Nazis.
And you just start...
You're having these computers that you have connected to all these accounts just posting the worst shit possible.
Michelle Obama's got a dick and the White House is filled with pedophiles and you just like flood it with craziness and now nobody wants to go there.
You go there and you're looking for like a reasonable Republican conservative social media platform that you could join and you could talk about things that are bothering you.
But the thing is, it's like, okay, if you decided that the way to eliminate bots is to require ID... This is where it gets weird because there's data breaches.
So if you're posting something under Skippy McCoy 69, you got some crazy fake name, and then all of a sudden it gets revealed that this is you and maybe you work in a right-wing office and you're posting something about abortion rights and people just decide, let's get rid of that fucking guy because now we know it's you.
Shitposting on Reddit is a lot like talking shit when you don't mean it in a group chat.
We're just saying ridiculous.
Like Ari Shaffir says the most horrendous things.
He doesn't mean it.
Ari's a great guy.
He's saying something because it's funny to say.
And when you stop that because you can go and investigate who this person is, People say things they don't mean just because they want to get a rise out of people because they're bored and they're like an anonymous person.
They'll say horrible shit.
They'll come up with a horrible meme.
Are we really gonna fire these people?
They're gonna lose their livelihood for something that is just for them.
And we don't even know how many people are involved in this because it's so difficult.
If you're going through a VPN and you've got a computer bank and you've got these people that look real because you can now you can make artificial photos of families.
You can decide, I want a black woman and a Chinese man, and this is their family, and AI. I want you to create their kids.
And so you can have all these posts on Instagram like, oh, you can follow these people over the years.
It's all bullshit.
And that's so easy to do now.
And you can do it on Twitter.
It's way more easy because nobody even wants to see pictures of you.
So you can have a bunch of posts about things that happen to you during the day that make you look like a real person, and just Nazi shit!
And this is the issue as well, is that when people talk about hate speech, they're making an incredibly complex issue very simple.
Because they go, oh yeah, we're going to get rid of hate speech.
And then you go, well, what does that mean?
And what is going to be the effects of that?
And also as well, look, there's a lot of young kids on social media.
I don't know about you, but when I was a young kid, I said lots of dumb shit.
Are you then going to destroy someone's life for the next 20 years because they said something that could be racist or maybe is racist when they're 15 years old?
I've seen legitimate professors say that it's offensive to call someone a pedophile and you should call them a minor attracted person and not to marginalize them.
What if it becomes hate speech to call someone a pedophile, right?
That is not...
When you see how far we've gone, that's not outside of what could be possible.
Yeah, because if you follow this train of thought to its logical conclusion, and if they are a minority, and all minorities need to be protected, particularly from a majority who dislike them, and particularly in the case of pedophiles where the majority fucking hate them, then you go, well, you know, this person can't help who they are, therefore they need protection and they are a marginalized group.
Yeah, and how much of that is being manipulated by foreign entities?
How many people are out there trying to get us riled up about stuff?
I remember the Renee DiResta thing where she found out that there was a Texas separatist meeting that was organized by these troll farms right across the street from this Muslim meeting.
Like, they literally had them on the same block.
So they're both protesting like, fuck you, fuck you!
And they're just riling people up.
And the idea was that they're doing this to...
There's a certain percentage of that that's going to diminish our faith in democracy, that's going to diminish our faith in our system.
And, you know, I don't know enough about it to say whether it's entirely a good thing or a bad thing, but you can see the temptation to kind of go, well, why don't we just have one guy come in and sort this shit out?
And when you make excuses for why people are doing it, you call it systemic racism and all these different things, and you treat them with leniency, then you're encouraging people to do crimes because there's no repercussions.
So you're, again, not getting to the root of what's causing them to be like that in the first place, but you're minimizing what they're doing because you address the fact that there's a root.
So, again, you're dealing with the cancer, you're like, let the cancer grow.
And also, the dangerous thing with Bukele, I went on a date with a girl who's now a Salvadorian journalist, and I said, look, I don't know anything about Bukele.
Tell me about him.
And she went to me that he gets his people to turn up if he doesn't like a story in the news.
But, you know, from my conversation with Trump, I don't think he's the monster that everybody thinks he is.
And I think for sure there's been a gross distortion of a lot of the things that he said that's led to this, you know, the fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax.
There's so many different, the suckers and losers hoax.
There's all these different things that people attribute to him to try to make him way worse than he really is.
Instead of just, like, addressing the things you don't like about him that are real.
You know and so it's this distortion and we know there's a distortion and that's why When he sits here and he talks for three hours people are so interested It's not just because what he says is interesting.
It's because we know you've been bullshitting We know that you've used the legal system to try to arrest this guy you've done some banana Republic shit where you're Trying to weaponize the legal system to go after your political opponents.
We know that so when you get a chance to see that guy talk You're like, oh, so this is who he is.
And again, he's being charming.
He knows millions of people are listening.
He's talking to me.
I've met him before.
We have a mutual good friend in Dana White.
He knows I'm not going to be an asshole.
So he's comfortable.
But you get a chance to see, well, he is that guy.
Part of him is that guy.
Like, it's not an act.
That's who he is.
He is that guy.
He's not a terrible person.
It's just you may or may not agree with his approach.
You may or may not agree with how he runs his business and how he wants to do things.
We didn't play it for him because we didn't want to give anybody any excuse to give us a copyright strike.
Because I wanted to play it.
I wanted to start the show off with him listening to him being on The View and go, what is this like?
Because there's no one ever that's had the machine turn on them.
Whether you agree with him or not agree, you must admit the Steele dossier, all the crazy stuff they put out on him, they've turned this machine on him in this way you've never seen before.
And this is how they used to look at him just nine years ago.
And, you know, at this rally, there was this point when he was just...
It really struck home for me why people like him.
It was like he was talking about China and somebody had said...
Put out a report that if America had a war with China, America would lose.
And he was like, first of all, why would you put out that report?
And secondly, we would kick their ass.
And you kind of go, if you're an American and you want your country to be great, you want it to be successful, left or right, whatever your position is, do you want to be on the side of the people who think America's future is behind it?
Or do you want to be on the side of the people who think, yeah, we're going to kick ass, we're going to succeed, we're going to make money, we're going to be successful?
And there's also, like, looking at some of his foreign policy decisions and whether or not he was correct, one of them was the embargoes on Iran.
That seemed to have freed up a whole lot of money when the Biden administration Let those funds free, and then October 7th happens shortly thereafter.
And when you know that they fund these various terrorist organizations, this is something Iran's done.
This is not a big stretch to think that one of the reasons why these things are happening was because people went a different way than Donald Trump did when he was in office.
Because it's easier to argue about jokes than it is to talk about the Middle East and be actually honest about it and go, what Israel is facing is an existential fight for survival and Israel is causing, you know, there are war crimes happening, whatever.
But you can't just let terrorist groups attack a country.
You can't let Hezbollah from October the 8th fire rockets into northern Israel.
That can't be allowed to continue.
It's either going to escalate or you're going to need to de-escalate.
Because the one thing with jihadists is, you know, they're committed.
You know, they're committed, and they believe in a global Islamic caliphate, and they want to wipe Israel off the map, and then they want to wipe all sovereign nations off the map so they get a global Islamic caliphate, which is why so many moderate Islamic countries crack down on these people really hard, because they understand the threat from these people.
And then there's the reality that what Israel's doing is also horrific, right?
You see the murdered children and women and you see the videos of people getting blown up with indiscriminate bombing of apartment buildings because someone underneath it is Hamas.
That's fucking terrifying too.
So there's no win because no one can justify that.
You watch that and you see how many innocent people died?
This is fucking insane.
And then there's the argument that, well, but Hamas is using them as human shields.
Like, there's no other way to do this?
Than to just bomb where you know civilians are going to be, because bad guys are there also?
This is the crazy thing about war, because in the past, I think this was a strategy that would have been employed by almost any powerful nation trying to wipe out an enemy, but we don't...
And this is the problem, because I take your point, but the issue is that Hamas have openly stated on numerous occasions that they want to maximize civilian casualties.
They're doing it deliberately.
So the question is, and we've had pro-Palestine guests on the show, we've had pro-Israel guests on the show, and we've asked them basically trying to get to the bottom of this.
Like, how do you do this?
I get that what's happening is terrible.
It is terrible.
No one would dispute that.
No one who has a conscience or a heart would look at what's happening in Gaza and think that's fucking great.
Nobody.
But at the same time, the question ultimately is, after October 7th, what is Israel supposed to do?
What are you supposed to do when your country has been attacked from several sites by different terrorist groups, all funded by Iran and sponsored in other ways and they give them weapons?
What are you supposed to do?
Now, you say, well, they're supposed to – isn't there another way?
I'm asking that question.
I haven't heard a persuasive answer of what they're supposed to do instead.
I think it's also from the perspective of people that live in Israel versus the perspective of people that live in America where we haven't been invaded.
And the people in Israel who have mandatory military service and they're constantly on threat.
I had a buddy of mine who's my kickboxing coach, Shuki, and he's from Israel.
And he was always playing the bongo drums.
I went to his house for dinner.
Everybody's dancing and singing.
I was like, why are you guys so happy?
Everybody's so joyful.
He goes, man, when you live in Israel, any day could be your last.
So it's like, just party, have a good time.
And they had this idea.
And I think if you're an American and you don't feel that threat, it just feels abstract, you're not going to understand the mentality of someone who lives in a place that's surrounded by people who hate them.
Because there's people on the left that do not want to support Israel, and they think that Palestine is...
You know, that Palestine should be free, and they'll say, from the river to the sea, and they chant it out, and they don't exactly even know what they're saying, which means, like, an annihilation of Israel.
From the river to the sea, that's literally what that means.
But then they're now this sort of, there's like this anti-Semitic thing that's on the left, which didn't exist before.
It's just like the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic thing that you never heard before from the left.
Because if you've had a decade of wokeness, the point of wokeness is the people who are successful, the people who have the upper hand, they're the bad guys.
There was Jewish MPs, Labour MPs, who literally walked out of the party because they were saying that he was not tackling and dealing with anti-Semitism and that this was allowed to run rampant within the Labour Party.
And what kind of intellectual courage to step out on those limbs that he does and say these logical things that are against the, it's, you know, heretic.
He's a heavyweight and the heavyweights were never really that good in terms of that kind of technique.
It's like you need it at like middleweight and light heavyweight because everyone's super talented and technical.
When you get up to the heavyweight division, guys tend, it tends to be like a lower bar, you know, and so when you have an elite athlete like Joshua who's like fast and knockout power, he can excel without having the kind of technique that a guy like Lomachenko and Usyk were trained by the same guy.
They were both trained by Lomachenko's father.
So they both have extreme technique.
And then you have Bival and Bitterbeef that just fought.
Same thing.
Both like super Soviet-style boxing.
And you go, whoa, this is technique.
Like really, really high-level technique.
But it's rare that someone with that kind of technique gets into the heavyweight division.
And if you watch the Usyk fight, he was touching Usyk up in the beginning of the fight.
I mean, that reach and that jab, the accuracy that he has, he was doing really well in that fight until he started to slow down a little bit, and Usyk wound up just catching him.
You can have athleticism, you can have strength, but when you come up against someone whose skill is far superior to yours, eventually you're going to burn out because there's only a fine amount of strength and power that you have got.
And eventually, if you're fighting somebody who can match you physically but also has the skill on top of it, I mean, you're kind of done, really, unless you get lucky with a punch.
I think it's at 170. I don't think he's the same guy at 170. I also think Gilbert is tough as fuck.
And at that point in time, Gilbert had, he challenged Usman for the title and lost, but then came back and was one of the best 170-pounders in the world.
It was a big step up in competition that I don't think Hamza had faced before.
And Gilbert is a world champion in jiu-jitsu.
He's a very, very, very good grappler.
So there's a difference there.
When you get Gilbert to the ground, it's not that simple.
You're fighting off arm bars and triangles and guillotines, and he's back up to his feet.
There was a lot of wild scrambles.
It was just...
Gilbert's a little older now, but back then he was really in his prime or close to it, and he's just that fucking good.
That's why that fight was so close.
Gilbert, especially in that fight, he was that good.
I mean, it was a war.
He dropped Chemayev, he cracked him with a right hand, but Chemayev, even when he got dropped, he dove in and took him down.
And you rarely see, I mean, in the UFC, you see obviously people who are multi-disciplined, but it's rare that you see someone who's so pure with the way they hit.
I was watching him going, this guy looks like a boxer the way that he hits.
There's a little bit of difference when you're loading up.
You're not going to hit as fast.
You know, if you're just trying to, like, touch someone, you can touch them much faster.
But Illy is fast as fuck.
He's not slow at all.
He doesn't have any disadvantages.
He doesn't have any weaknesses, man.
That's why I say he's the new high-water mark.
There's people that are thinking maybe he's the best pound-for-pound fighter alive.
There's a lot of discussion about that online.
A little premature, especially when Jon Jones is still out there and there's other elite guys that are still out there, but Islam Makachev is another one.
It's a real argument that he's the best pound-for-pound guy alive, but it's fucking close.
I was just going to say, it's a really interesting moment because UFC is very much in the ascendancy when compared to boxing.
But you've looked at all this Saudi money that is being pumped into boxing now.
And, you know, because previously, you know, the thing that we're in boxing, as we all know, is promoters, you know, teams not wanting to put their great fighter against their other great fighter because they want to protect their asset.
I'm thinking now, you look at kind of the Saudis, they're just going to flood, they're flooding it with money.
Because if they can pay enough money, then what you have is a real competitor to the UFC. Because at the moment, I like watching UFC, but I'm a boxing guy.
I love it.
That's how I was raised.
We always have an argument about it, but it's undeniable that UFC is more entertaining because they're the fights that you want to see.
It has to be with the UFC, because the UFC has kind of redefined what combat sports are, and it's the greatest time ever for the UFC. And then at the same time, boxing is still thriving.
And it's becoming exciting because you're seeing great fights.
And for people like us who grew up and saw the great fighters of the 80s and the 90s, all of a sudden we see this happening again and we're just like, ah, actually I remember why I fell in love with this sport.
Yeah, Jon Jones is the highest fight IQ of all time next to Mighty Mouse.
Like, fuck, man.
He finds a way to win, you know?
And he's an unbelievable grappler.
That's why that would be such a good fight.
His super high fight IQ, use of distance, better than anybody.
And then this ability to know how to win.
And can he win versus that guy?
Because if you get clipped once, just once, what he did to Cain Velasquez, just inside, caught him with an uppercut, you see Cain's just lights go out.
You know, when he fought Alexander Gustafson, they said he barely trained at all.
Still beat him in the stretch and then the rematch wanted to prove a point trained really hard and beat the shit out of Gustafson, you know?
With John it's a lot of it is he's so much better than everybody else like when he's really threatened like with Cormier Then you see how good he really is like when he knocked out Cormier with that head kick and that's when you see how good he is when he's when he's pushed Yeah, when you see John Jones with a real challenge in front of him and Hopefully that's what the John Jones will see with Stipe Yeah, let's hope Stipe pushes him Listen, gentlemen, it's always a pleasure.