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Joe Rogan Experience #2185 - Bob Gymlan
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bob gymlan
Train by day!
unidentified
Joe Rogan Podcast by night!
All day!
Yep.
Okay.
Salute, Bob.
bob gymlan
Salute.
unidentified
Pleasure to meet you, man.
bob gymlan
Pleasure to meet you, too.
joe rogan
How'd you start doing this YouTube channel?
bob gymlan
Um...
I've always, uh...
Enjoyed doing...
Talking about those things, because who doesn't?
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
And I was always kind of surprised at how shitty they're usually talked about.
I just saw the shooting star.
joe rogan
There it goes, yeah.
It'll trick you.
bob gymlan
Like, so often you see this type of content as like, is there a monster in the woods?
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
And it's like, that's not the question.
The question is more complex than that, and I often don't see it brought up that way.
joe rogan
There's something about these, like, today I listened to the Creepiest Bigfoot story one, that one you had with the one where the guy wrote in a story about the Bigfoot.
bob gymlan
Burying stuff in the backyard?
joe rogan
Yeah, that one.
And there's something about those that, like, even if you don't believe in Bigfoot, because I don't necessarily believe in Bigfoot, There's something about it that's so compelling.
There's something about things that you don't know out there in the woods because you don't have an accurate, a real good account of everything that's in the forest.
bob gymlan
Of course.
joe rogan
You look out there, it's dark.
And the mind is always looking for some weirdness.
The mind is always looking for something that other people don't know about, or perhaps there's like a secret that the sheriffs know about, that they don't share with everybody else.
Like, why is that so, why does that resonate so much with people?
With Stephen King movies, like, or Stephen King books?
It's like that kind of a thing.
There's something about it that's like exciting.
bob gymlan
Right.
I'm more of a Dean Koons fan than Stephen King.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Yeah, he's great too.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't like Stephen King?
You're trying to throw shade?
bob gymlan
His politics ruined it for me.
joe rogan
That's the problem, right?
bob gymlan
That's the problem.
joe rogan
His problem is his Twitter feed.
His Twitter feed's fucking brutal.
It's like, dude, stop!
bob gymlan
Right, that's nuts.
joe rogan
These are like the goofiest low testosterone boomer takes I've ever heard on anything.
Like, stop.
bob gymlan
It's very true.
joe rogan
But he's such a brilliant writer.
I also think...
He's a different guy.
Because the car accident, I think that was a big one.
You know, when you get hit by a van?
bob gymlan
That'll do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, shit.
He was really, really fucked up from that.
And I also think it's getting off coke.
Getting off coke and booze?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was the real Stephen King.
I mean, I hate to advocate alcoholism and cocaine use.
Because I don't think either one of them is good for you.
But goddamn, they're good for writing books.
bob gymlan
They're good for artistry, that's for sure.
joe rogan
There's something about his early stuff when he was off the rails.
He said he doesn't even remember writing Cujo.
Doesn't even remember it.
bob gymlan
It's my favorite book of his.
joe rogan
It's fucking great.
It's a fucking great book.
So is The Shining.
It's another one where he was deep in the throes of addiction and just writing this fucking captivating book.
What he captured is there's this part of our mind that maybe we don't talk about too much.
Where we always wonder if everybody really knows what's going on and maybe something could happen that people didn't expect Couldn't imagine is real and yet you're confronted by it, you know, and that's like a lot of his stories and You do a really good job of finding that.
Also, you have a creepy voice.
No disrespect.
I mean in a good way.
Like the way you tell the stories.
It's just something about it.
It's like you're doing radio, man.
You're doing radio with illustrations, but you're doing it on YouTube.
bob gymlan
Right.
Well, that's actually why I chose the name Bob Gimlin.
Because Bob Gimlin is obviously the guy who was there when the Patterson footage was shot.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
And it has...
So, my Google account or my YouTube account name way before I started the channel was Bob Gimlin.
unidentified
Oh.
bob gymlan
And my real name is Brian Gagne.
And all I used YouTube for was Bigfoot content and, like, watching Bob Dylan rips.
I'm a huge fan of Bob Dylan.
joe rogan
Oh, cool.
bob gymlan
So, I thought Bob Gimlin was a cool name.
And it kind of evokes back to, like, just...
Kind of Rod Serling.
unidentified
A little bit.
bob gymlan
Just like a slower pace.
Because so much of the content now was just like, top 10 creepiest sightings.
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
It's like, whatever.
It's like, I like to be a little more immersed.
joe rogan
Yes.
You do it like radio.
You do it like old school radio, like creepy radio.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when they used to tell stories on like, you know, people would sit, you know, before there was a television, people would sit around the radio.
And they would listen.
Like, that's where War of the Worlds, that famous thing with H.G. Wells where he had a bunch of people believing that we're actually being invaded by Martians.
bob gymlan
And you flee your state.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
So when did you start this channel?
bob gymlan
I think like nine years ago.
2016 maybe.
joe rogan
And was it the beginning?
Was it Bigfoot?
Have you ever had an encounter?
Or is it just something that's been fascinating to you?
bob gymlan
It's just always been interesting.
So I think my talent, and I'm not even saying I'm talented, but what I have going for me is I am so ready to believe that everything we know is BS. People don't know anything.
They just don't.
I mean, people know stuff, but so much of what has been in history books is already wrong.
Have you ever seen a chimpanzee?
Yes.
Would it surprise you to learn that there's a smarter one, there's a faster one, there's a bigger one?
If a Bigfoot got hit by a bus tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised.
You wouldn't be?
joe rogan
I would be terribly surprised.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, I don't know if they're real, but I think they might be real.
This is what I think.
I have a very strange take on this.
I know it's gonna sound super stupid to anybody who's like cynical, pragmatist, but just bear with me for a moment.
I think the boundaries between this dimension and other ones are permeable.
And I have a feeling things can cross through them.
And I have a feeling we are like, if an ant is, like I have leaf cutter ants in my yard, pretty wild.
So cool to watch them.
It sucks because they kill all your trees, but so cool to watch this long train of these incredible little beings carrying around these giant pieces of leaf that they cut off.
And they're all going into their little house, but you wave your hand over them, they have no fucking idea you're there.
Whatever senses they have, it does not seem to detect threats from things above.
They don't seem to be worried.
They don't perceive us.
bob gymlan
Well, they're mission-oriented.
And we are, too.
So if something is happening that's beyond our mission, I think it's hard to perceive it.
joe rogan
I think there's things that exist that are not perceivable.
bob gymlan
I'm one million percent in that camp too.
joe rogan
And I think there's heightened states of consciousness that people achieve under duress, extreme stress, fear.
I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of them happen at nighttime.
I think nighttime It automatically fills people with a certain sense of anxiety and fear because you don't know what's out there, especially in the woods at nighttime.
And I think in those times when your mind reaches this unusual chemical state, you occasionally can access these other realities.
And I think that's where Bigfoot is real.
I know it sounds goofy.
bob gymlan
No, I mean, that's...
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That's why Finding Bigfoot is on like season 80 and they haven't found shit.
bob gymlan
Yeah, well.
But see, even if it was real, I wouldn't expect them to find it either.
joe rogan
No, that show's just goofy.
bob gymlan
Or even if it was flesh and blood.
It's funny you would say what you said because when I first started my channel, I was very flesh and blood type.
I thought it was a very real thing, like just a bear or anything else in the woods.
But a lot of commenters said, though I appreciate Bob's take on that, he will get to the woo-woo side or the spiritual side.
And I was like, I am not.
And I'm like halfway there already.
But I don't think that the spiritualism can be separated from anything.
joe rogan
What do you mean by that?
bob gymlan
I mean...
I think we're spiritual beings, and I think that we're interacting with, kind of like the Force from Star Wars.
I believe reality is permeable to an extent.
The things that we see with our eyes and feel that we touch, there's more than that.
joe rogan
It's a fraction.
It's a fraction of what's going on.
I think so, too.
I think that's probably the source of whatever psychic...
Phenomenon that is real, that's not bullshit, and just a bunch of people, a bunch of hucksters robbing people.
I think there's some sort of telepathic connection that people share occasionally.
And I think it's an emerging aspect of human consciousness that will probably one day be as normal as hearing.
I think we're just emerging from the primal.
And I think also in the primal they probably have it.
They probably have it in a different way.
Like animals are tuned in in a very bizarre way.
They just know things sometimes.
And you don't know why they know things.
You're not even saying...
Like, my dog sometimes knows when we're going to go for a run.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
He just knows it.
bob gymlan
I've always been fascinated by how...
So many animals seem to innately know that we can help them.
joe rogan
Yes.
bob gymlan
And they shouldn't think that.
Right.
Historically, we are not the helper of animals.
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
And like, you know, be it dolphins or seals or whatever.
joe rogan
Or deer even.
bob gymlan
Yeah, they're just like, I'm hurt, help.
And it's like, shouldn't they be afraid of the predator?
joe rogan
Deer have tried to contact people to get one of their friends free from barbed wire.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's something weird.
There's something weird going on that is not just as simple as we're the dominant species, we have language, we figured out consciousness, we write books.
No, I think there's another thing that we just don't, it's not there yet.
You know, it's just like the original caveman had some grunts and those grunts became words and now those words become huge Libraries filled with books that people have written.
And I think that's what's going on with human consciousness.
And I think there's just got to be some reason why this Bigfoot thing has been going on for so goddamn long.
I think it's an interdimensional existence.
I think whatever that thing is, I think it comes back and forth.
And that's why I don't find anything.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
I mean, that's...
As I said, I'm getting there.
joe rogan
You're getting there.
bob gymlan
Getting there.
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
I mean, because, as I said earlier, like...
To me, the flesh and blood ape hypothesis is not as impractical as everyone says.
joe rogan
Well, it used to be a real thing for sure.
The problem is the size of it.
You know, you can't really hide a 10-foot gorilla.
bob gymlan
Why?
joe rogan
Why?
Because there's too many trail cams, too many campers, hikers, hunters especially.
bob gymlan
Especially...
Well, it's not like people don't see it.
People see it all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, hunters don't see them.
No.
No, but my friends...
I have a lot of friends that are like long-range backpack hunters.
These guys would go 26, 27 miles into the forest with no access roads.
They just hike out.
bob gymlan
But do hunters not see them or do hunters not say they saw it?
joe rogan
No, I don't know anybody who's seen them.
They'll tell you all kinds of other wild shit.
But they would tell you if they saw it.
None of them are...
None of them believe that I know.
But they are wary about animals.
There's real threats out there.
There's grizzlies.
There's wolves.
There's mountain lions.
Those are the things they're really worried about and those are the things that they see.
And I've had friends that have had encounters with them and even those encounters seem in some sort of weird way spiritual.
There's a weird connection with these predators and prey, I think, opens up a part of us that we don't ever experience.
You don't ever experience a thing that wants to eat you.
And when you do, I think your biology is like, oh, you remember this?
And like a switch gets turned on and these genes that we've had inside of our body for hundreds of thousands of years of us running away from predators, They get ignited, and there's this bizarre connection.
Have you ever looked in the eyes of a predator?
bob gymlan
I sure have.
joe rogan
What have you seen?
bob gymlan
I worked at a zoo, Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, for quite a few years.
This Christmas, we went there.
And the lion was roaring, going nuts.
And I have footage of this I can actually show you later.
But it was very close, and it was roaring, and it looked like it was going to pounce.
And I had no faith that that little barrier was enough.
And I've literally worked at the place, and I know, like, there are fail-safes and stuff that they can't get out.
But I was just like, nope, this is nuts.
Because, you know, I love cats, big cats, too.
And...
Do you have a cat?
joe rogan
I don't anymore, but I've had cats.
bob gymlan
Just watching them and now imagining that they are bigger than you is so horrifying.
joe rogan
I saw my first large mountain lion two years ago.
It was big, like about 170 plus pounds.
And my friend Colton saw it under a tree.
We were driving, luckily.
We were inside the truck because it was only about 30 yards away.
I would have shit my pants if I saw this thing without a barrier between us.
It was so big.
It was so big and so terrible.
It looked like a demon.
Like when you lock eyes with that thing, and again, I'm looking at it through a windshield and also binoculars.
So I had 10 power binoculars and I'm zoomed into its face and I'm seeing it like just looking right at me with this pumpkin head, the big mandible muscles that go over the top of the skull.
It's like, oh Christ.
And again, I'm looking at it through a windshield and binoculars.
So I'm removed slightly from the actual force of the experience of its eyeballs on me.
But if I was standing there just looking at it, I probably would have had a psychedelic experience.
I probably would have tripped out.
I probably would have gone into shock.
I saw a grizzly bear once in Alberta.
I saw one of those.
And not even a big one.
About a six foot grizzly bear.
But it looks at you.
I've seen black bears before.
That was the first grizzly I saw in the wild.
And they look right through you.
bob gymlan
To me, I've only seen footage of grizzly bears, but every once in a while they have this crackhead look.
Where it's like they're doing that thing where they're looking to see what you got.
They're just like, what can I take from this?
And you can't do anything to stop them unless you have a gun.
joe rogan
Yeah, we had guns, luckily.
We had shotguns.
But when we were looking at it, it looked like it's gonna eat you.
It looks like, am I gonna eat you?
Couldn't care less if you live or die.
Just all it's doing all day long is searching for something slow.
Something with a limp, something that fucks up, something that leaves behind a kid, something that, you know, a dog's chained up to a tree.
Whoops, got one.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
And that's all it's doing all day long, and it's just a big monster.
And if it didn't exist, if a grizzly bear didn't exist, and there was reports of this enormous dog-like creature that eats everything and can kill a moose and lives in the woods, it would be way scarier than Bigfoot.
bob gymlan
Yeah, for sure.
Well, maybe.
Maybe not.
joe rogan
Kodiak?
bob gymlan
Yeah, but...
joe rogan
Kodiak better be scarier than Bigfoot.
bob gymlan
Worse things can happen than be eaten.
joe rogan
Oh, like the Come For Me Bigfoot books?
bob gymlan
No.
unidentified
Well, I... Yeah, obviously I've heard of them.
joe rogan
There's a whole genre of erotica written about Bigfoot.
bob gymlan
Yeah, that's not my thing.
joe rogan
Well, you're a man.
It seems to be ladies like their stuff in writing.
That's what they like.
They like reading their pornography.
bob gymlan
Yeah, they also like monsters.
joe rogan
Yes.
bob gymlan
Werewolves and vampires.
joe rogan
Vampires.
They like vampires that fall in love with them.
He's going to eat everybody else, so not me.
bob gymlan
But you can change them.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can change them.
That's also why some crazy ladies like serial killers.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Even serial killers that kill a bunch of women, they write to them.
Like Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker.
Tons of women were writing to him in jail.
bob gymlan
Ted Bundy, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Strange.
bob gymlan
I'm a big fan of true crime, so I'm not sexually aroused by it.
joe rogan
Well, congratulations.
bob gymlan
That's a good thing.
joe rogan
That is a very good thing.
But the thing about Predators versus Bigfoot or any of these things, there seems to be...
The unknown animals, for whatever reason, are the ones that are most perplexing to us, the ones we're most fascinated by.
Like, an orca, I think, is more fascinating than Bigfoot.
Like, if Bigfoot was just Gigantopithecus, it was just an enormous orangutan-looking creature that lived in the woods and was omnivorous and ate a bunch of stuff and tried to hide from people, it'd be kind of cool.
But it wouldn't really be as cool as this insanely intelligent super dolphin That lives in the ocean and, you know, has this strong family bond and, you know...
bob gymlan
Teach their different styles of dispatching prey.
joe rogan
Uh-huh, yeah.
Teach them how to knock over ice shelves to get a seal to slide off.
bob gymlan
That seal footage is so tragic where it's waving it down.
joe rogan
Yeah, it sucks for the seal.
bob gymlan
You're rooting for the seal, but...
joe rogan
You're rooting for him, but you know he's doomed.
bob gymlan
I keep wondering, because you know how orcas are going after boats now?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
None of the people that I'm aware of have successfully gotten in the water, so I keep wondering what they would do to the people.
joe rogan
I don't think there's any record of them killing human beings other than human beings in, like, SeaWorld and stuff like that, but that's just...
bob gymlan
Would there be a record?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
There would if there were survivors, and there's a lot of record of shark attacks, obviously.
bob gymlan
Well, those are...
I don't give any mind to the records of shark attacks.
Well, it is so hard to report a shark attack.
So if I go swimming and I leave my stuff on the beach and someone calls the police, I didn't come home or whatever, and they find me mangled on the beach the next day, I had a cardiac event and then was scavenged by sharks.
joe rogan
You think so?
bob gymlan
I'm positive.
That's how the...
I-S-A-F, International Shark Attack File.
It's very difficult for a shark attack victim to be reported.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Do you think they do that so that they discourage people becoming vigilantes and going out and killing sharks?
bob gymlan
They're trying to make it seem...
I think it's legit, like a JAWS thing.
They don't want to make it seem dangerous.
Right.
joe rogan
They don't want to make it seem like it's a bad place for tourists.
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
I would not go into the ocean where there are sharks.
And I know that sounds nuts, but I wouldn't.
It's not worth it.
joe rogan
My buddy Duncan was in Hawaii, either just after, I can't remember, or just before a guy got killed by a shark at the same resort that he was at.
Some guy was swimming at a tiger shark, just took him out.
bob gymlan
I'm actually working on a shark attack video now.
There's a lot of untruths people talk about with sharks, I think.
Or maybe misunderstandings.
joe rogan
They just caught a bull shark in Texas in a river.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Real recently.
And those are the scary ones.
bob gymlan
They are.
joe rogan
Those fuckers are super aggressive and they go into freshwater all the way up to Illinois.
They found them in Illinois.
bob gymlan
Alton, yeah.
joe rogan
So you're deep in this.
So you think it's a Jaws thing.
So they're just trying to not...
What do you think ever happened with that Egyptian one?
The Egyptian one's the craziest one.
Did you ever see that footage with the guys screaming for his father?
bob gymlan
That's brutal.
So again, did you know that the shark that did that paraded the head around?
So that's one of the things that I said is misinformation.
I hate that I'm using that word.
joe rogan
Yeah, that word's been tainted.
bob gymlan
Yeah, that word's been tainted.
So they say it's mistaken identity.
Sharks attack because they're pissed.
joe rogan
That's why they attack?
bob gymlan
Yes.
joe rogan
They're not just hungry?
bob gymlan
Correct.
I mean, I can't be certain, but that would be my opinion.
Because do you remember when I was a kid, I saw all these shark documentaries that they would show the surfer and then a sea turtle or a seal side by side?
From the bottom, they don't look the same at all.
joe rogan
No.
bob gymlan
And sharks are one big sensory organ.
And where they hang out, they hang out at the bottom.
And then they're silhouetted by light from the top.
They can see perfectly.
They're in the water all their lives.
They're one big sensory organ.
They know what they're attacking.
And I think they want people out of their water.
Because that wasn't even a consumption with that guy, with the guy who was yelling, Papa...
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Whatever his name was.
joe rogan
While Stand By Me was playing in the background.
bob gymlan
And that woman, oh my god, oh my god.
joe rogan
It seems like a movie.
bob gymlan
Yeah, it does.
And then, yeah, because you know the part where it turns him underwater and his legs go up?
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
It took off his jaw.
Because after that, he's gargling.
unidentified
Oh.
bob gymlan
Yeah, and...
joe rogan
Popov's body was reportedly examined by forensic experts at a morgue in Hurghada who claimed he was disfigured and with many parts missing.
The shark said to have torn his head off, disfigured his face and separated body parts that were retrieved from the sea.
It's also reported the beast ripped apart his chest and ate parts of his abdomen and hands.
bob gymlan
See that's not an attempt to predate in my opinion.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So you think that people get in the way of fish and seals, and that's probably what the sharks actually want to eat?
And these assholes are flopping around and farting in the water?
bob gymlan
Or she just had pups nearby?
There's anything like that.
joe rogan
There was also the story that I read about that particular attack where they were saying that some ranchers had dumped sheep carcasses.
Did you hear about that?
bob gymlan
I still don't think that that...
Sharks know what they're biting.
Because if a shark bites something hard, it really damages them.
They know what they bite before they bite it.
And I agree that sharks don't see us as food.
Sometimes they do if they're desperate.
But I think we're far from ideal.
Because if they did eat us, they would eat us all the time.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
All the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
So I think...
Because you know how great whites in California don't eat people?
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
They only attack people.
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
Because we're literally in the surf where seals like to be.
joe rogan
So we're in the way.
bob gymlan
Right.
And they know that seals probably don't like to play around where surfers are.
So they're like, oh, these things are here and I'm hungry if these things are gone.
And they know that if they come up and mangle someone, the rest of people are going to be gone.
joe rogan
Right.
It'll clear the area for a while.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Is this your own personal theory?
bob gymlan
Oh, no.
There's an amazing channel called Sharks Happen.
And it's so funny, too, because the guy, he's not a marine biologist or anything.
His name is just Hal.
He's a machinist in Michigan.
And it's so funny, because I fundamentally think he knows more about sharks than anyone that I've listened to.
And I think it's funny how some guy in Michigan is the expert.
joe rogan
That is funny.
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, how are you getting your information, bro?
bob gymlan
He's good at it.
He goes back on newspapers.
Because, you know, to him, all the marine biologists are just so full of it.
And there is some of that.
There really is.
Because they will skew something so far to not blame the sharks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
Yeah, like, this kid, probably like 20 years ago now, had his leg ripped off by a bull shark, which is terrifying to think, because it, like, clamped onto his calf, and then it, in shallow water, and his leg came off not where it was bit.
So it, like, ripped it off.
And I can't recall his name, but that was not in the shark stats as, that was in the shark stats as provoked, because the kid was fishing earlier.
unidentified
Oh.
bob gymlan
Oh.
So it's like that's a provoked attack.
joe rogan
So fishing is a provoked attack?
bob gymlan
Being like a seven-year-old in knee-deep water after someone was fishing is a provoked attack.
That's crazy.
And that's not in the stats the same way.
So that's not in a shark attack.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
So there's shark attacks where there's no possible evidence of provocation.
And then there's provoked shark attacks like, oh, you were asking for it?
bob gymlan
Correct.
joe rogan
Wow.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
And that's the video I'm working on.
I go through all the attacks in 2015 and I say like, okay, these are, I think it was like, I hope I'm not wrong about this, but like 11 or 12 attacks that they say are legit attacks because they were unprovoked.
They were like random attacks.
But then I talk about the other like 20 that were provoked attacks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so when you see shark attack statistics, they only say unprovoked attacks?
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
So they're trying to downplay a shark attack.
unidentified
Correct.
bob gymlan
And as I said, there are so many people who just get found bitten up and like, oh, they drowned.
And they got scavenged because sharks are scavengers and sharks don't eat people.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
That's interesting.
I never really thought about that.
bob gymlan
The attacks are very skewed.
joe rogan
It's very fascinating to me how our attitude about sharks changed with the whole shark fin soup thing.
Like, all of a sudden, everybody wanted to protect sharks.
Like, you shouldn't fish for sharks.
Like, you shouldn't eat sharks.
Because, you know, Mako shark has always been served in restaurants.
I've had Mako shark a bunch of times in restaurants.
It's very good.
It tastes like swordfish.
But suddenly, sharks were supposed to be protected.
Like, Jesus, shouldn't we protect the fucking tuna?
Like, tuna are delicious, they don't kill you, they're majestic, amazing creatures, and we've killed like 90% of them in the ocean.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, fuck sharks.
That's what I think.
bob gymlan
I mean, I love sharks.
joe rogan
Me too, but fuck them.
bob gymlan
Yeah, I mean, they're assholes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can go fuck off.
There's an area in Key West where people fish off the piers, where you have to pull in your fish so fast because the waters are infested with sharks.
bob gymlan
Well, that's a whole...
Problem now with sharks because they're learning it's easier to pull it off our hooks.
Which makes sense.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
So they hang around piers for people to fish.
And then when someone catches a big one and it takes a while to get in, they're like, oh, here we go.
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
There's an incredible video of this guy is pulling in a tuna, and as he's pulling in a tuna, this great white cuts the tuna in half.
Have you seen that?
bob gymlan
I have seen that.
Have you ever been people swallowed alive by white sharks?
Geez!
joe rogan
Look, they're real, and if they weren't, they would be the craziest monster ever.
We have this very bizarre thing with the human mind where we become accustomed to things.
You know, we're accustomed to cell phones.
You show a cell phone to a guy in 1400s, he thinks you're a wizard, you know?
To us it's like, oh, that one sucks, you got a small phone.
But there's something bizarre where we get accustomed to these insane creatures, like sharks.
bob gymlan
I often think that, because there are so many creatures right now that I would give anything to be able to see that are extinct.
But there are probably so many alive right now that if they were extinct, I would wish I could see them.
But I take them for granted that they're not extinct.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
bob gymlan
The giraffe, I think, is one of them.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
If I saw a giraffe, or the fossil or skeleton of one, I'd be like, I wonder what that thing looked like.
joe rogan
Well, I found out about your page because I saw the video about the 50-foot crocodile in the Congo.
And as a person who's...
I've always been obsessed with crocodiles.
I think they're, you know, one of...
One of the coolest animals that ever has existed and the fact that they're with us right now and you get to see this insane creature that can go without eating for a year, lays completely still in six inches of water and then explodes and pulls a zebra into the water.
They're just amazing.
They're amazing and they're so fucking big, man.
bob gymlan
Yes.
joe rogan
So like that alligator that we have out there that you saw in the lobby, that's 14 feet.
bob gymlan
Yeah, that's not even a big alligator.
I mean, it's a big alligator.
joe rogan
It's a big alligator, but it's not a big crocodile.
It's a little baby crocodile.
bob gymlan
It's not a huge alligator.
joe rogan
No.
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
What is the biggest alligator?
I think it's 20 feet, right?
bob gymlan
19 feet, 9 inches.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Is that a Florida alligator?
bob gymlan
I want to say it was Alabama.
joe rogan
Really?
No shit.
Alabama.
That's interesting.
Yeah, like, it's all up in that whole area.
Like, Louisiana has a bunch of them.
Texas has a bunch of them.
Northern Texas has started to show alligators.
There was a sighting yesterday, actually.
There was a video that these guys took of these two alligators swimming in a lake in northern Texas.
People were like, what the fuck are they doing up here?
They're expanding.
When I was a kid, I lived in Gainesville, Florida, from when I was 11 till I was 13. And Gainesville had a lot of alligators.
It's like where the University of Florida is.
And there's a place called, what is it called?
Lake Alice, I think it is.
And that's where the alligators used to be.
And I remember when I was there, this lady, she got her, her little dog got eaten.
She was walking her little dog by the water and just jumped out of the water and snatched her dog.
Everybody was freaked out, like, what the fuck?
It ate her dog.
bob gymlan
Have you seen that footage of the alligator that grabs that woman's dog and then she tries to go in after it and it gives up the dog and takes her?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Yeah, that's pretty brutal.
joe rogan
Very brutal.
Yeah.
They target people.
Yeah, they don't target people as much as crocodiles do, but they definitely do.
They eat people.
And they're everywhere.
There's so many of them in Florida.
They're just infested.
And they were protected when I was a kid.
bob gymlan
I know.
There's this great clip I found a long time ago online about, it's like from the 70s, and it's this woman talking about how this might be the last alligator we ever see.
Because they're trying to make it seem so endangered.
And it's like, I don't think so.
joe rogan
They thought they were, and I wonder why.
I wonder why they thought they were, and I wonder what kind of an accurate accounting of the animals in the Everglades they had.
bob gymlan
I don't think we could.
I mean, with poison we probably could, but I don't think there's any feasible way to exterminate alligators, even if we tried, which we weren't.
joe rogan
Well, certainly not now.
I wonder if maybe the ecosystem was better in check before people came along.
Like, you know, when you think about Florida.
Florida, I think, was the first ever city in the country.
Is that correct?
bob gymlan
I believe St. Augustine, maybe?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're right.
So, that's where, you know, that's where Cabeza de Vaca landed.
He landed in Florida, right, when he made his trek across the country.
And so, it's a long, I mean, there's hundreds of years of people living there, but cities don't really emerge.
Like, that kind of Florida life, when is that?
When does Miami emerge?
When do you start seeing cities?
Like the early 1900s?
bob gymlan
What?
I mean, no.
It's got to be.
joe rogan
Earlier than that?
bob gymlan
Earlier than that, yeah.
But what does it look like?
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
When does it start fucking with the habitat of the alligators?
Because a lot of Miami, they actually filled in.
Yeah.
bob gymlan
They gotta drain the swamps.
joe rogan
Right.
Legitimately.
And they had to...
I don't know how the fuck they even did it, but that's the real concern about if the ocean level rises, like a lot of stuff is super porous.
It's just gonna flood all that area.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I wonder how much of an impact human beings have.
There was the Florida panther.
There was a lot of...
And then also back then, there was no snakes, right?
So right now, not no snakes, but no pythons.
Burmese pythons, which are an invasive species that...
Apparently there's two sources.
One of them is pets, and the other one was there was a research center that got hit by a storm, and they lost a bunch of pythons, which is kind of hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And also Nile crocodiles.
There's Nile crocodiles in the Everglades.
bob gymlan
Really?
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a breeding population, they think.
bob gymlan
Wow.
joe rogan
They think they...
Well, they've already found several, and they have shoot-on-sight orders for Nile crocodiles.
I've seen reports online, but unreliable.
Guys saying, really?
Took her cattle.
They're stealing cows.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true.
Like a 16-foot Nile crocodile stealing cattle.
bob gymlan
It could.
joe rogan
It certainly could.
But I don't know if they ever got to be that big.
And I do know that two that they captured shared the same genetics.
So they're from a very close genetic line, so they think they were related.
jamie vernon
This is the first number I could find about extinction.
joe rogan
Serious threat.
Oh, come on.
jamie vernon
100,000.
joe rogan
Endoquine disrupting pesticides like DDT. That kind of makes sense.
jamie vernon
The other thing I read was more about hunting for leather.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
And meat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's up to 5 million now.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so crazy.
5 million.
They say if there is a pond in Florida, there is likely an alligator in our pond.
Likely.
More likely than not.
There's a giant reptile that's swimming around in the bottom of that thing and occasionally poking its eyeballs up.
And then drop them back down.
There is now, because of the pythons, 90 plus percent of all mammals in the Everglades are missing.
bob gymlan
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Wow.
joe rogan
Find out what the actual number is.
I think it's higher than 90 percent.
I think it might be 99 percent.
Like the sightings and the accounts of animals and the record of animals and when wildlife biologists do a count and they try to get an accurate assessment of what the population numbers are.
It's down in some preposterous number.
And then snakes are everywhere.
It's the number one place for Burmese pythons on Earth.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the Everglades.
bob gymlan
Invasive species have such an advantage because no one knows how to deal with them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And these fuckers are huge.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you see how they're eating alligators now, too?
bob gymlan
Yes.
I mean, that would make sense, but I'm sure that plenty of them are getting eaten, too.
joe rogan
90% decline of animals in the area due to pythons.
bob gymlan
Wow.
joe rogan
Nuts.
Yeah, they're eating alligators.
It's like a famous photograph of an alligator that's inside a python's body and it burst.
bob gymlan
Yeah, I have seen that.
unidentified
So it burst out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Isn't that a caiman though?
joe rogan
Do not know.
Are there caimans in the Everglades?
bob gymlan
No, I think just the picture I'm thinking of.
No, there aren't, but there's a picture I'm thinking of.
joe rogan
There might be actually caimans in the Everglades, even though they're South American.
Some asshole might have let them go.
bob gymlan
I should have said that to me, not to you, that the picture I was thinking of is a caiman that busted out of an anaconda.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I'm sure that happens, too.
I think this one is different.
This is in the Everglades, and it's a python and a smaller alligator.
unidentified
I think it's like, yeah, there it is.
bob gymlan
Oh, no, that's the one I was thinking of.
jamie vernon
There's a couple different ones, unless they're all the same.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's a bunch.
There's one up top that's eaten one.
Look at that one.
The one, the image.
Oh, that's an alligator eating a python, so they eat each other.
Yeah, depending on who's bigger.
Jesus Christ.
Just the idea that that thing could swallow a fucking alligator is just so bizarre.
Yeah, that's another animal that if it didn't exist, like a crocodile, if it didn't exist, you'd be like, what are you talking about?
There's a 50-foot giant reptile that's hiding in the water, and if you go out there, it eats you?
bob gymlan
So I'm also a dinosaur nerd.
And are you familiar with the updated Quetzalcoatl?
joe rogan
No.
bob gymlan
So they found this trackway.
Now we know that they were competent quadrupeds.
But this trackway abruptly...
joe rogan
So Quetzalcoatl was a real thing?
bob gymlan
The giant pterosaurs?
joe rogan
Quetzalcoatl is the Aztec god.
You know, the winged serpent?
bob gymlan
I think that that's where they named the flying reptile office.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I didn't even know that there was an actual dinosaur named Quetzalcoatl.
bob gymlan
Well, now you're making me nervous.
joe rogan
Well, we don't.
The good thing is we have Jamie.
I'm no expert.
But I remember Quetzalcoatl was this insane Aztec...
Serpent.
Okay, here it is.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
So it's a winged reptile-like bird.
bob gymlan
But they found this trackway that suddenly became much longer stride, which means it started sprinting.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bob gymlan
And if you look up...
Quetzalcoatl compared to a giraffe.
They were like sprinting around.
So they thought forever that they had to jump off something to make flight.
But now we know that they were able to go fast enough to make their own flight.
So this thing is, they're as big as giraffes.
joe rogan
They're as big as giraffes and they can fly and they're predatory.
bob gymlan
And it's believed that they're probably the only thing around that would have given Tyrannosaurus rex paws.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bob gymlan
In a fight, T-Rex could obviously win.
But imagine being able to sprint.
Because that spear would do some damage.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I didn't know that they called them Quetzalcoatl.
bob gymlan
Well, wingspan of 40 feet.
joe rogan
Yeah, Quetzalcoatlus, the largest known animal to take to the sky.
A few fossilized, but known from only a few fossilized bones from West Texas.
Just how such a massive animal got airborne has been mostly a matter of speculation.
Some think it rocked forward on its wingtips like a vampire bat or that it built up speed by running and flapping like an albatross.
Or that it didn't fly at all, but according to new research, the mammoth creature probably leaped jumping at least eight feet into the air before lifting off by sweeping its wings.
Whoa.
bob gymlan
Yeah, so imagine, like, you're driving at that thing in a car.
It could take off before you hit it.
You know, I don't know.
It's just nuts.
joe rogan
I'm sure you know about terror birds.
bob gymlan
Of course.
Yes.
joe rogan
Those are here.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
And didn't they exist?
Like, what was the most recent...
When did...
How long ago did terror birds exist?
They existed with people.
bob gymlan
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
No?
bob gymlan
No.
I don't believe so.
joe rogan
I think it's millions.
It says didn't exist with people.
jamie vernon
Last sets of terror birds extinct over 10,000 years ago.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
Possible for that one, but this says there's no way humans could have ever met the terror birds.
joe rogan
Why is that?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
If it's 10,000 years ago, how could they say that?
jamie vernon
It says the research regarding the possibility of humans living aside them says that there are no way.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't believe that.
bob gymlan
A researcher said it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't know, bitch.
There's no way you know what happened 10,000 years ago.
If they lived 10,000 years ago and we lived 10,000 years ago, it's open to speculation.
bob gymlan
For sure.
joe rogan
It's open.
jamie vernon
This one says between 53 million and 18,000 years ago.
joe rogan
Oh, how weird.
unidentified
That's a huge window.
joe rogan
What a fucking window.
Like, they don't know?
Hey, man, you guys need to do some more work.
Don't be making me fucking look stupid from a Google search.
That's crazy.
That's such a wide stretch.
53 million to 18,000?
Well, if it is 18,000, people are here.
They found footprints.
I think they're in the 22,000 years range.
bob gymlan
Yeah, I thought it went up even more recently than that.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
Yeah, I think you're right.
And this is like what's thrown that Clovis first hypothesis into a sort of a tailspin.
bob gymlan
I suspect that there was a lot more civilization than we know about going on in North America, particularly, but everywhere else, too.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
I think you're definitely right.
And I think a lot of Native American people take offense to the Bering Strait hypothesis.
You know, that people all came over here from Asia into the North American landmass through the Bering Land Bridge.
A lot of Native Americans say that's a crock of shit.
bob gymlan
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They think that people were always here.
That think people had come from South America, they existed in South America before, they made it up through here, that people lived here, and that we really don't have an accurate account.
Like to say that I think the idea behind it is Native Americans, if they really did come from Asia, well, they're just immigrants too, right?
And what they're saying is there's no real evidence of that.
And in fact, the evidence of human beings being here is so far back before that Before even the Ice Age, that – and this is pretty clear with the footprints that they found – that there's other explanations to how humans got here.
And perhaps, even though – the problem is there's no other primates here, right?
Like North America.
bob gymlan
Yeah, the humans didn't – as far as I know, I don't – Didn't evolve here.
No.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
Wasn't it only the Caucasus in Africa, I believe?
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then also primates in South America.
That gets weird because you have different monkeys.
bob gymlan
That's a big mystery in my opinion.
Yeah.
I mean, right now the best hypothesis is that primates came over on floating vegetation.
unidentified
What?
bob gymlan
Well, so the distance was less, but not by a lot.
joe rogan
Oh, so this is Pangea times?
bob gymlan
No.
I mean, there are still continents, but it was...
joe rogan
But I mean as it's like separating?
bob gymlan
Correct.
And I don't know.
That seems weird to me.
joe rogan
How many monkeys are going to get on a raft?
bob gymlan
I mean like if there's a hurricane and it's a bunch of them.
joe rogan
But how many?
How?
What?
bob gymlan
That would be nuts.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
bob gymlan
I think North America only has one primate that was not...
Believed to be invasive, which was Smilodectus, I think.
joe rogan
So all the primates in South America are believed to be invasive?
bob gymlan
Well, I mean, depends on how you define invasive, but from the old world is what they're called.
Old world versus new world monkeys.
joe rogan
Wow.
There's so many mysteries, right?
There's so many mysteries with human beings, like when they settled here.
Are you aware of, there's a guy who's done a lot of research on that wall in Montana?
Do you know that wall in Montana?
So there's an ancient wall in Montana that some people have tried to say is a natural rock formation, and almost anybody looks at it and goes, you're out of your fucking mind.
That's 100% placed in stacked stones.
But the problem is this ancient wall.
Look at that.
I mean, shut the fuck up.
How is that?
bob gymlan
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Just shut the fuck up.
Can I see the original picture, Jamie?
That one.
Yeah.
I mean, shut the fuck up.
Someone stack that.
For sure.
It's in a straight line.
They're stacked on top of each other.
They form fit together.
They're placed, you know, at the same height.
bob gymlan
They're carved and transported.
joe rogan
Yeah, something was going on, right?
So some ancient, ancient civilization had this, and I think it's several football fields long.
I think it's really long.
Like, I think what they've discovered versus how much more of it could be, because also a lot of it is covered in dirt.
And if this thing is, you know, 25, 30,000 years old, who knows how long it is, how long it's been there.
Like, who knows how deep it even goes.
The sage wall.
That's what it is.
So what is that all about?
Like, that was on private land.
And apparently, originally, it was covered in trees and they cleared the area.
And so initially, people were thinking that it was some sort of a natural formation.
But as they cleared the area, they're like, wait a minute.
What is this?
So no explanation, no civilization tied to that area, especially one that's capable of moving monolithic stones.
In 1996, they found it.
While hiking around the property one day, we discovered the Sage Wall.
The wall is 275 feet long and 24 feet high.
A jaw-dropping marvel.
In order to make these boulder areas more accessible and highlight their beauty, we created a moderate two-mile trail system.
Additional features of the trail include 400-year-old Douglas fir trees, the spectacular views of the Ruby Valley 20 miles away, and the Highland Mountain Range sitting at 10,000 feet in elevation.
So this is it.
This is like high elevation.
Covered in trees on a piece of private land that these people just hadn't noticed that they had this thing on there.
You know, it's probably some massive ranch in Montana.
And then like, okay, what's this?
No explanations.
No one knows what it is.
And I love how people try to write things like that off.
Oh, that's just a natural formation.
Well, fuck you it is.
You know it's not.
I know you don't have an explanation, and this throws your whole understanding of human civilization in North America into the garbage pen.
He really does throw it in the garbage bin, because what happened?
What was going on there?
Was this Vikings?
Who fucking did this?
Who did it and when?
bob gymlan
Well, I think a lot of people make the mistake of thinking of Native Americans as one group.
I'm sure different groups came over many times, and probably a lot longer than 20,000 years ago, or before 20,000 years ago.
joe rogan
Well, we're not exactly sure when people started traveling across the oceans.
When did the Polynesians make it to Hawaii?
bob gymlan
I don't know.
joe rogan
We really don't know.
It's just guessing.
It's kind of guessing.
What is that do they have any sort of carbon dating on any of the material that's related to that stone wall where they have some sort of a rough estimation of its construction time?
unidentified
I was trying to figure out where it was.
joe rogan
But you know, just that one of the things that's interesting about the Bigfoot thing is that for whatever reason, Native American tribes don't have a bunch of fake animals.
They don't have dragons and werewolves and shit, but they do have Bigfoot.
And not just one tribe, but many, many, many tribes has a story of this sort of man that lives in the woods.
Which makes you wonder.
bob gymlan
It sure does.
Like I said, there's way too much going on here that, to me, because it's so easy to laugh at it.
Like, how long have we been here, Europeans, you know?
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
And how long have we had the equipment to even find it?
And I do think that if it is real, which is a big if, I do think it's being suppressed.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
I do.
joe rogan
So the government's hiding Bigfoot?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
bob gymlan
Would that surprise you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
It would?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're too stupid to hide Bigfoot.
bob gymlan
They're too stupid to do it well, which is why so many people believe in Bigfoot.
unidentified
Why would the government hide Bigfoot?
joe rogan
What would be the motivation?
If you were the government and you found Bigfoot and you're like, you know what, we've got to keep this from people.
bob gymlan
I think there might be something about them that, well...
For the same reason, I think the wall is collapsing with UFO disclosure.
I think people only recently are starting to believe that people can handle things.
Or the government is only recently starting to believe that people can handle things.
joe rogan
That's why you think UFO disclosure is going on?
bob gymlan
Well, that and they can't contain it anymore.
joe rogan
I don't share that opinion.
bob gymlan
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think they're covering for some very sophisticated drone technology.
That's what I think.
bob gymlan
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Well, that's boring.
joe rogan
Maybe.
But I think it doesn't exclude UFOs.
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
This is my perspective.
And again, I'm not married to this at all.
This is just something that I have in my head.
But I believe that...
Human beings right now are capable of propulsions.
I think we have drones that operate on a completely different propulsion system than standard rocket fuel, fire pushes out the back and the thing goes forward very fast like a jet engine.
bob gymlan
Bob Lazar shit?
joe rogan
Bob Lazar shit.
Exactly.
I think they have that.
I think they figured out a way to engineer that.
The question is where they get it.
Right?
And that's where I think UFOs come into play.
bob gymlan
So, like, you think that what was seen by the Nimitz is all ours?
joe rogan
It could be.
Because it's where it would be.
bob gymlan
But then why would they disclose themselves?
joe rogan
Well, I think they found it, and they reported it, and they did what they had to do, and they didn't really talk about it publicly for many years later.
You know, there wasn't a big news story.
Commander David Fravor, when I spoke to him, first of all, the guy is as rock-solid a military man as you're ever going to talk to.
Just by the book, disciplined fighter pilot.
Those guys are detail-oriented.
They don't fuck around.
This guy's not making up stories about other shit.
And when he describes this thing and what they saw, and then there's multiple pilots that see it, and then there's a visual.
They have video of this thing moving off at an insane rate of speed.
They have radar imagery that shows it goes from above 50,000 feet above sea level to like 50 in a second.
They don't know how the fuck it did it.
It goes to their cat point, so it leaves them once they see it, and it jets off to this point, this predetermined coordinate where they were supposed to meet up as part of their training run.
So how the fuck does it know their cat point?
And where it is, right?
It's off the coast of San Diego.
San Diego's a big military area, right?
And it's where they do testing, and it's where they were doing the training runs with those jets.
That's why they saw it in the first place.
If I was going to have a thing, and I was going to test it, and I was going to test it, I would want to know, like, how much do our equipment show?
What does our equipment show?
Can we see these things?
Ryan Graves, who is another very reputable fighter jet pilot, he had his encounters when they upgraded their technology in 2014.
So they upgraded all the sensors that allow them to detect things in the sky.
And when they did that, he started seeing these things.
Dead still at 120 knots.
Makes no sense.
They started seeing these things.
I always fuck this up.
It's a cube in a circle, right?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Right.
So it's a black cube inside some sort of a translucent circle that multiple fighter pilots have reported.
And the idea of some sort of gravity distorting thing, one of the features of that they think would be it would look very strange.
Like it would look very strange to you, like what you see.
And if we have some sort of a gravity distorting drone, That operates on a gravity propulsion system, like somehow manipulates gravity so it can move at insane rates of speed.
I think that's where I would test it.
I would test it with the military guys.
I would test it in restricted airspace.
I would test it in place and I would say, okay, let's find out if these guys can see it now.
Now we have new equipment.
Put the new equipment in their jets.
Let's see if they can see these things.
bob gymlan
The concerning thing about that is if it was done by our own government.
I worry that they're trying to set up for a false flag.
joe rogan
Like a false UFO flag?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
An alien invasion to lock down our rights.
bob gymlan
I mean, if they could stage it.
joe rogan
Sure.
bob gymlan
Because, I mean, with what you're describing, no one would assume that that's human.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
No one.
joe rogan
No one except for people that have followed the Bob Lazar story.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if they were back engineering that thing in 1989, as Bob says...
bob gymlan
That's true.
It's a long time ago.
joe rogan
It's a long time ago.
You know, that is...
That's a long time.
And for them to have 35-plus years...
Of working on that.
So you got to go back to how long did they have it?
He said they've had it for decades.
But I think what he was saying back then was they really weren't making any progress.
They were trying to figure it out.
They kept bringing in new people to try to have fresh eyes.
That's why they brought him in.
But they really don't fucking know.
He said they didn't understand how it worked.
And they were trying to get some sort of a working model of it.
But they were able to operate it.
And that's what he was able to observe.
And that was one of the reasons why he got in trouble, allegedly.
Where when he got fired, he brought people.
They said, listen, I'm not crazy.
Let me show you.
They have fucking UFOs.
I'm going to show you this thing.
bob gymlan
He brought the people.
joe rogan
Yeah, he brought people, and those people all said the same thing.
People have filmed it, too.
They actually had to increase the restricted space around Area 51 because people were going to a very particular vantage point.
And they were filming some of these things.
So there's footage of these bizarre crafts that seem to be moving through the sky in a way that no conventional aircraft can do.
We don't really know what they are.
And we're assuming there's some kind of a drone or something.
But I think if you go to 1989 and they have those things, and then if you have all the money in the world, which they essentially do, they could print money, you have black ops projects, you have things that we, you know, because of national security interests, we have no idea what they're doing or how they're doing it.
And then you get some of the best physicists in the world, some of the best propulsion experts in the world, and you throw an ungodly amount of money At this problem every year for 30 plus years.
Then you develop these things.
And I think that's one of the reasons why they would probably keep it secret.
Because I would imagine that money was moved around in probably an illegal way.
bob gymlan
I mean, without congressional oversight, there's no legal way to do it.
joe rogan
Exactly, right?
So if these guys were doing that and they were funding this secret military project that they kept from Congress, they kept from – I mean, who knows who's qualified to be able to see these things.
But if I had something like that, I would – that's the best cover story in the world.
We have observed crafts that are not from this world.
Like, oh, that explains everything.
bob gymlan
That's insufficient to me.
joe rogan
To me too.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's fun.
bob gymlan
It is fun.
joe rogan
Both of them are fun.
And I think both of them...
Listen.
The universe is fucking huge.
We exist.
We send things to other planets.
There is a rover right now on Mars, right?
We send James Webb telescope into space.
We send rockets.
We do that.
We do that.
We would assume...
An advanced civilization would do that as well.
bob gymlan
Of course.
joe rogan
And we would assume that if an advanced civilization was interested in studying something, we are some of the most fascinating creatures that have ever existed, at least our understanding on Earth.
We're the most fascinating by far.
As weird as sharks are and all this other stuff is, we're the fucking weirdest.
We're the weirdest and we're the craziest to study.
And we're intelligent and also stupid.
We're capable of great things and also terrible things.
We're a very, very, very bizarre creature.
I think I would most certainly study us.
bob gymlan
Have you ever thought that maybe we were created by their specifications?
joe rogan
All the time.
bob gymlan
Me too.
joe rogan
Yeah, all the time.
That's the big mystery of the human brain size, right?
The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years.
And there's a lot of cool...
My favorite story is Terrence McKenna's.
He had this theory.
It's called the stoned ape theory.
And it's about psilocybin.
And that these chimpanzees and lower primates started experimenting with psilocybin.
And then over the course of a couple of million years, they developed language, they developed this ability to hunt better, fashion tools, more creativity, glossolalia, attaching sounds to objects and That makes sense.
Some sort of telepathy, increased visual acuity that does come from low dose psilocybin use.
That seems to me like that makes a lot of sense because it coincides with climate change.
When McKenna did this whole theory about it, one of the things he talked about is that the exact time that the rainforest recede into grasslands because of this change in the climate is the time where these animals emerge, start walking on two legs, and then start eating mushrooms, he thinks, and then two million years later become people.
bob gymlan
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's an interesting one.
But the most interesting one is they came here.
They saw us.
We were like Australopithecus.
We were some hairy creature that was kind of primate.
Maybe we even started using tools.
And they said, let's fuck with that DNA. Let's make a labradoodle.
bob gymlan
I don't think people think big enough in regards to that kind of thing.
Because, like, if we had the technology to do what allegedly the aliens, alleged aliens do, we would be doing all sorts of crazy stuff all the time.
joe rogan
100%.
bob gymlan
And, I don't know.
joe rogan
If we could introduce intelligent life into a planet, if there was life on a planet and we could introduce our DNA into these lower primates and make them more like us, you don't think we would do it?
bob gymlan
No.
Yes.
joe rogan
100%, right?
bob gymlan
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, we monkey with all kinds of things all the time.
We're always messing around with creatures' DNA. And there's a story that we talked about recently during World War I in Russia, where Russia was experimenting with hybridizing human beings and chimpanzees for soldiers.
bob gymlan
Orangutans, too.
joe rogan
Yes.
bob gymlan
They switched brains with an orangutan and a human, and I guess the human with the orangutan brain never regained consciousness, but evidently the human brain in the orangutan did regain consciousness.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
How did they do that?
bob gymlan
I don't know, but I only know this from a MonsterQuest.
joe rogan
Is that real?
MonsterQuest might be a little bullshit.
Although MonsterQuest did bust one of the dumbest things that I used to believe.
The dumbest.
Flying rods.
bob gymlan
Just the moths.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just a visual artifact of cameras where the video cameras, they catch these things moving fast, close up, and it leaves a trail.
And so there was this famous group of people that thought that there was these things that were flying around faster than we can see and that they were some sort of aliens that were amongst us.
bob gymlan
That's orbs and ghost hunting to me.
joe rogan
Ghost is an interesting one.
What do you think about ghosts?
bob gymlan
I would be very surprised.
I don't know.
It's a tough one.
joe rogan
You know what I think?
bob gymlan
What do you think?
joe rogan
You hear them from every culture.
That's what gives me pause.
This is not something that's only with Europeans and Christians and people that have a specific religious ideology.
This seems to be in almost every culture.
There's this concept of dead people that return in some sort of a mysterious form.
bob gymlan
I mean, it would be silly for a Bigfoot person to say this, but that could be part of the human condition.
joe rogan
Certainly.
bob gymlan
Just no one wants to think that this is the end.
And I don't think this is the end, but I do think ghosts are...
I mean, why wouldn't a ghost be like, hello?
joe rogan
Because I think it's a memory.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
I think when extreme things happen, you know, we're talking about the levels of reality being somewhat permeable under extreme situations.
What is more extreme than like a murder or a massacre?
And those are the places where people tend to see ghosts, these horrific, I think, I think the Earth has a memory.
And I think occasionally, under the right circumstances, with the right amount of anxiety, the right amount of distractions and the heightened sense that you get from being in the dark and being afraid, you can access these memories.
That's what I believe.
bob gymlan
Yeah, I see.
But I mean, the opposite argument to that is pretty obvious.
It's like just because your anxiety is up and because all those factors and because you know what's happened there, you're more jumpy.
joe rogan
For sure.
And you see things that aren't there.
bob gymlan
Right.
But if you see something that's not there, does it really mean it's not there?
joe rogan
It doesn't necessarily, right?
bob gymlan
No.
I've always thought that.
Because it's like, if I say I saw a ghost and I actually didn't see it, but in my brain I did, isn't that seeing a ghost?
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
That's the argument that a lot of people have in terms of psychedelics.
Like psychedelics, you contact God and you have this extreme spiritual experience where you're in contact with this all knowing entity and people say, oh, that's a hallucination.
OK, but it's the same experience.
as if you actually did contact God.
Like whatever that thing is that you encounter in the psychedelic realm, let's say that that is a figment of your imagination.
I'm willing to say that.
But whatever that figment of your imagination creates, it creates the exact same experience as if you encountered some other extremely potent life form that exists in some strange form that it creates the exact same experience as if you encountered some other extremely It's not like it doesn't register with you as something that it's not a normal.
It's not like a mug of water.
it's a thing that doesn't exist in your reality and it's communicating with you It's exactly the same experience as if it's an imaginary thing or if it's a real thing.
The experience is the same.
I think that's what happens with people with the ghost thing.
There's too many stories.
There's too many stories of ghosts from rational people.
And one of the places that has a crazy history of ghosts is the Comedy Store.
I used to try to see ghosts at the Comedy Store.
I would stay there late at night when everyone was gone.
I'd like sit in the main room and just hope that a ghost would show up.
Nothing ever did.
But maybe it was I was too needy.
Maybe I was too try-hard.
There's something about...
Like, that club itself was Ciro's nightclub.
So that club was owned by Bugsy Siegel in the gangster era of Los Angeles.
And for sure, people were murdered there.
Like, for fucking sure.
I mean, those guys were killing people left and right.
And if there's ever going to be a place where you're going to see...
The memory of some horrific experience that expresses itself in some sort of a spiritual form, some sort of a ghost-like wraith-type form, that's the place.
bob gymlan
And you didn't see anything?
joe rogan
I didn't, but many people I know have.
Many people I know have seen people walk through doors and they go into it and it's in an empty room.
Like, who's that fucking guy?
And they'll see it, like, at the end of a dark hallway, and then they open the door to the room, and the room's completely empty.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's been a bunch of stories.
A bunch of stories at the Comedy Store from really, like, reputable people.
People that I know that aren't drunks, normal folks.
And they tell you, and they look fucking terrified.
And no one wants to believe them.
There's a guy named Carl LeBeau.
Carl LeBeau was a great comic who used to tour around with Sam Kinison.
He got kicked out of his house.
I guess he was staying with his girlfriend.
He was trying to make it as a comic.
Comics, in the beginning, they make no money.
A lot of them sleep in their cars.
My friend Tony slept in his car.
They have a dream.
bob gymlan
It's a lot like YouTubing.
joe rogan
It is, except YouTubing has a more direct path to success.
With YouTube, all you have to do is be – you have this platform that is like the biggest video platform on earth, and it's available to everybody.
As much as people complain about YouTube, I think YouTube is fucking amazing.
bob gymlan
I agree.
joe rogan
And I think the real problems with YouTube is advertiser revenue and managing at scale.
And then, woke, ideological crackheads that are running the helm, which is real, too.
People are banning people for specific content that's completely legal.
But outside of that, you have a path.
If you get a video, like your video, you're here because I saw your crocodile video, and then bam, I'm like, I want to talk to that guy.
Why are you doing that, you know?
bob gymlan
I can't believe that's the video that you saw.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
That's how you get me, folks.
Get me with a giant reptile video.
bob gymlan
There was no 50-foot crocodile.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
bob gymlan
No.
Do you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Oh, real?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
Head transplant has been successfully done on a monkey.
Maverick neurosurgery.
Oh, this is a head transplant.
Yeah, I've heard of that.
jamie vernon
So yeah, it wasn't a brain.
I went back to the Monster Quest episode.
bob gymlan
The one about the Soviet Union?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they were talking about a supposedly successful test where they transplanted a head from a monkey onto another monkey.
And it, according to the doctor, regained consciousness.
So they said it was a success.
It died nine days later and it was paralyzed the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it has to be paralyzed, right?
Because you can't reattach the spinal cord yet.
bob gymlan
Oh, that's cruel.
jamie vernon
They had this one.
joe rogan
Oh, super cruel.
jamie vernon
This one, which is, they're saying, successful, happened somewhere else, and they killed it 20 hours later, but they said it...
I mean, look at the picture.
It's crazy.
This guy also, I found another picture.
He put a mouse head on the back of a rat, and I think it was staying...
He's trying to figure out how to do head transplants, and he's testing it on all sorts of other stuff.
unidentified
Yo.
bob gymlan
Crazy.
Jurassic Park comes to mind.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
bob gymlan
Just because we can, should we?
I mean, think about, like, then there will be a black market for, like, bodybuilders.
Like, if I was some rich guy, I would pay money to, like, have my head put onto a nice body.
joe rogan
Right, to kidnap a bodybuilder, snatch up his body.
bob gymlan
I mean, I wouldn't, but you know what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Right, but if you like Bill Gates, I'm tired of being a pregnant man.
I want to get a body of some super jacked fitness influencer on Instagram.
bob gymlan
Or what if it was like a closet full of clothes, only bodies, and it's like, what do I want to do today?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, one day, that's probably going to be the reality when they have synthetic bodies.
The idea that we can't create a synthetic body to me seems kind of silly because we've already created bladders.
They've used stem cells to recreate a woman's bladder.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah, they took her own stem cells from her skin and constructed a bladder for her and then installed it inside of her body.
bob gymlan
Okay.
joe rogan
I think she had bladder cancer or something like that.
They had to remove her bladder, so they built her a bladder.
bob gymlan
That's nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty sweet, right?
It's also your own stem cells, so your body's not going to reject it.
And, you know, they're looking at animals that regenerate, like there's certain reptiles that, you know, amphibians, they chop their legs off, they grow new legs, lobsters, a lot of animals do that.
And so they're trying to figure out, like, what is that gene?
And how can we switch that on in people?
So, like, people that have had their legs amputated grow their legs back, which is fucking crazy.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that's coming.
jamie vernon
They were about to do it to a guy in Russia, but he backed out after he got married and had a kid.
unidentified
Oh.
bob gymlan
Good for him.
jamie vernon
They apparently had done it to corpses successfully, they say.
Corpses.
And this guy was down to do it.
joe rogan
Well, makes sense.
I mean, even though he's paralyzed.
He has another option.
You know, with Neuralink and a lot of these new technologies, they think that they're going to be able to send signals to your limbs and allow your limbs to bypass the severed spinal cord.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
Which is...
bob gymlan
That's amazing.
joe rogan
All of it's crazy.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when you talk about Jurassic Park, are you aware of the Mammoth Project?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
Did they manage to get the DNA? Yes.
Okay.
joe rogan
They're growing a mammoth.
Like, it's actually happening.
And when it does happen, we're gonna...
bob gymlan
Oh, is this the Japanese one?
joe rogan
We're gonna figure out a way to visit it.
No, these are American people.
bob gymlan
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I believe so.
I haven't met the guys yet.
I don't know their nationality, I'm assuming.
But they're out of Dallas, right?
bob gymlan
Oh.
joe rogan
I think the thing was in New York.
Whatever.
Whatever they're doing, they're gonna bring back a mammoth.
bob gymlan
That's cool.
joe rogan
It's wild.
bob gymlan
I would love to see a mammoth.
joe rogan
But how far do you go with that?
Do you bring back a saber-toothed cat?
What about an American lion, which was big as a fucking horse?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
North American lion, a lot of people don't know, was larger than the lions that are in Africa.
bob gymlan
Yeah, they're two-thirds larger.
joe rogan
Crazy!
bob gymlan
Yeah, that's...
joe rogan
And that was right here.
bob gymlan
Yeah, that was right here.
I don't know if you know this, but I did a video on the lions of Savo.
joe rogan
Oh, I haven't seen that.
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
And then that's the video that – the first video of mine that ever got traction of any kind.
joe rogan
That's the Ghost in the Darkness story.
bob gymlan
Yeah, Ghost and the Darkness.
I thought it was Ghosts in the Darkness for the last time.
It's not.
But then I did a second video where the lions were so badass that they died and went to hell.
And were really nasty in hell and got kicked out of hell and were plopped out in dinosaur times.
joe rogan
Oh.
bob gymlan
And then the video's about the lions of Tsavo fighting a pack of Deinonychus.
unidentified
Ha!
bob gymlan
Yeah, and the lions lost.
But in reality, I think lions would beat a bunch of Deinonychus.
joe rogan
Who knows?
You know, but...
I mean, that sounds like something the Romans probably would have put together when they were doing those Colosseum fights.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
But what this speaks to is what we were talking about earlier.
Like that...
What happened to create human beings?
And what would we do if we could do those things?
Well, we're showing what we would do.
We're taking people's heads off, putting them in other bodies.
We're taking monkeys' heads off.
We're putting a rat's head on the back of a mouse.
Like, we're doing all kinds of bizarre experiments.
And if they knew how to do it, instead of like, we're kind of at the rudimentary stages of this kind of stuff...
If they knew how to successfully implant their genetic material and hyper-advance a lower primate and make it, in a short period of time, much smarter than any other primate on Earth, which is what we are, we're so different than everything else that's remotely related to us.
The idea that somehow or another we exist in this form and our ancient ancestors exist in the same form.
Like, the really ancient ancestors, we branched off of a...
We're like a cousin of a chimpanzee.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we share a lot of their traits.
bob gymlan
They never found our chimpanzee-level ancestor.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because it's on a fucking spaceship somewhere, bro.
bob gymlan
Would that be surprising?
joe rogan
No.
It would be, sure.
Yeah, it'd be crazy.
bob gymlan
I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be like, I can't believe this.
I wouldn't say that.
I would say, wow.
So that's what it was.
So that's why we're so different.
Well, I was having a conversation with a woman yesterday, Sarah Amari Walker, who is a scientist, a physicist, and she was talking about this thing called assembly theory.
And what she was talking about...
Did I say her last name right?
What she was talking about was like, what are the actual steps that are necessary in order for life to be created and evolve?
And if you think about human beings, we're the one animal on this planet that seems to have the same sort of impact as invasive species do.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
We swarmed the whole planet, we're fucking up everything, and there's no answer to us.
bob gymlan
Ah, see, but do you think humanity is something that needs an answer?
joe rogan
Well, there's no answer to us naturally, right?
Like, there's nothing that keeps our population in check, other than disease.
bob gymlan
No, normal population control.
Like, so, while the left is talking about, you know, humanity, population going out of control, like, our population's crashing.
joe rogan
Sure.
bob gymlan
What is it?
Asia crashed, Europe and America are crashing now, India's next to crash, and Africa's the only one left to boom.
joe rogan
Right.
In terms of Japan, the children that are alive today, how many of them will ever have grandchildren?
It's a very small percentage.
Yeah, that's true.
Elon talks about that all the time.
You need to have more kids.
bob gymlan
You can look at the charts.
It's very clear.
joe rogan
Right.
But don't you think – so this is nature's balancing act, right?
bob gymlan
It has to happen.
It's not a matter of like it's going to.
Those are the rules.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I think nature probably balanced us out when we developed cities, right?
Because what's the byproduct of cities?
One of the byproducts of cities is it's expensive to live there, so a lot of times women get jobs.
And women don't want to give up their career to have a family, so they hold it off until much later.
And if they have a child at all, they have less kids than people who start having kids when they're 18 or 20. Right.
And so this is sort of a function of having these extremely dense environments where people are stacked up with each other and then competition inside that city-like structure is intense and financial competition is intense and women engage in it as well and it lowers the population.
That happens to almost all westernized societies, first world societies, they experience a drop in birth rate.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
And it seems like that would be a natural feature of, like, high population areas.
bob gymlan
Because it doesn't even matter what it is.
Like, for a deer, it's just the availability of grass.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
You know?
So I find it fascinating to think that humans are not...
We're very different from animals, but the rules still apply to us.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
You know?
joe rogan
But we are animals, for sure.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But we also are invasive.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If a wild pig is invasive anywhere on Earth, then we're invasive.
Because we weren't there, and then we were there, and then we took over.
bob gymlan
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
And we're so different than every other animal in how much different we look from each other, the wide variety of sizes we have of people.
You know, it's just—it seems to me like— I've thought about that before, though.
bob gymlan
Like, what if seven gorillas that look exactly the same to us are all, like, hyper—like, what if—yeah, like, they might all look really differentiated to themselves.
joe rogan
I doubt it.
They look like gorillas.
I mean, just, like, look at what we see.
We see a gorilla, but when you look at human beings, we're like dogs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We vary, like, there's Carl over there, and then there's my dog Marshall.
Marshall's a golden retriever.
Marshall, if Carl was a girl, or if Marshall was a girl, they could have a baby.
Those two, sort of.
Like, can he breed with someone?
We can find out.
He tries to fuck Marshall.
unidentified
We can test it.
joe rogan
He tries.
If Marshall was a girl, he'd try to hump him.
Marshall just gives up sometimes and Carl's just biting on his face while he's lying on his back.
unidentified
He just gets tired of this little psychopath.
joe rogan
But the point is, like, they're the same species.
They're just a weird breed of that species.
But they are the same thing.
Like, you could take a wolf and you could breed it with a dog.
You know, they all started off as wolves.
And we manipulated them to the point where we have this incredible variety of shapes and sizes through manipulation.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
And that's what people look like.
I mean, that manipulation could be environmental, like the reason why people that move to Northern Europe develop very pale skin because their body has to act as sort of like a solar reflector to create vitamin D because you don't get it like the way you would get it in Africa where we originally started.
So we're kind of like a manipulated animal in that regard, at least our appearance.
But that would make sense if somebody fucked with us.
Especially if they made a bunch of different kinds.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
You know, like initially, like the thought is the fun stuff is the Anunnaki, right?
That's the fun one.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
The Anunnaki came here and they manipulated with humans.
Then you look at the Sumerian tablets and you see the images of the giant Anunnaki guy who has the monkey person sitting on his lap with the tail.
Have you ever seen that one?
You never saw that?
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Dude.
It's like a 5,000-year-old tablet of this guy who is this enormous person with this beautiful garb on, and he's got this person sitting on his lap, this small person with a tail.
bob gymlan
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, have you studied any of the ancient Sumerian tablets at all?
bob gymlan
Honestly, that stuff, I'm like saving that for a rainy day.
joe rogan
Get into it.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get into it, because the whole Zachariah Sitchin version of the Sumerian text is really, really interesting stuff.
bob gymlan
Is that like...
No, that wouldn't be where the Nephilim come in.
joe rogan
Yes.
bob gymlan
Yeah, it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
That's the – their version of the Nephilim is the Anunnaki.
Oh, okay.
Nephilim is those from heaven to earth came.
Nephilim were supposed to be giants, right?
This is the Anunnaki.
They're much larger than human beings and they did something according to the Sumerian text as translated by Zechariah Sitchin.
bob gymlan
Okay.
joe rogan
And this is why the symbol for medicine was always that...
bob gymlan
Serpent?
joe rogan
Yeah, the two serpents, right?
That looks like a double helix DNA. That's exactly what it looks like.
And that's the connection that he makes with all this stuff.
And a lot of people disagree with him.
I should just point out, if you're interested in this stuff, There's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com and I've read that too.
And I appreciate when people have varying opinions, right?
But there's something about Sitchin's stuff that is very compelling to me and one of the big reasons is there's a lot of mysteries about the understanding that the Sumerians had that sort of defies conventional logic.
Like they had a detailed map of the solar system In, you know, 6,000 years ago in these clay tablets.
So they have the sun in the center and then they have all of our planets in the proper order.
In the proper, not the exact size, but this one's bigger than that one, that one's bigger than this one, and it's depicted on a clay tablet.
And you look at it and you go, okay, what the fuck is that?
bob gymlan
But would you really need...
Well...
joe rogan
Yeah, you would.
bob gymlan
Oh, you would?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You need a telescope.
There's no other way.
Like, there's no way with the human eye you're gonna see Uranus.
You don't see it.
There's no way you see Pluto.
You don't see them.
bob gymlan
I mean, they...
Okay.
joe rogan
You're not gonna see it.
They saw it.
Find the monkey one first.
Did you find it?
jamie vernon
I'm not exactly sure what I was looking for for that one.
joe rogan
Sumerian tablet Anunnaki with monkey person on his lap.
jamie vernon
I wasn't getting what I thought you wanted.
joe rogan
Well, I know you can find the solar system one, so find that one quick.
Just so I could show it to them.
So this is a giant mystery as to what this meant and how they knew this.
So this is like in between two photos of these Anunnaki or two images of these Anunnaki's.
So it has the Sun and it has all of our planets.
And it has all of our planets, not in the correct size, obviously, because Jupiter is so much larger than Earth.
But this one's bigger than that one, that one's bigger than this one.
It's like a visual representation as much as you can in a small area like that.
But some of their tablets were just absolutely fascinating.
No, but how cool is that though?
bob gymlan
I know.
joe rogan
So these people were writing about the story of humanity, and they're writing it down on these clay tablets, and it seems to be some bizarre story of visitors.
A lot of them have wings like that one that shows the eagle.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, what's that all about?
Who's that fucking guy?
bob gymlan
Ra, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But also, wouldn't that represent some sort of a spaceship, like something that can actually fly?
If you—the only thing that you saw that could fly were birds, and you were trying to represent something as something that flies, you would, you know— Yeah, didn't in the Bible, the Jewish Bible, the Talmud cloud get translated to—oh, no, what was it?
bob gymlan
The shield got translated to cloud with the pillar of fire.
I believe.
That led the Israelites out of the desert.
Wasn't it something like that?
joe rogan
Oh, no, but that makes sense.
bob gymlan
I said I wasn't going to talk about anything that I wasn't sure about.
joe rogan
No, that's what this show's all about.
bob gymlan
Yeah, just being full of it.
I could have sworn that it was like, in the Bible it says, the pillar of fire and a cloud, and that's what the Israelites followed out of the desert.
joe rogan
It could be.
bob gymlan
I've read that the more pragmatic translation is actually shield, and it wasn't cloud.
joe rogan
Huh.
Here it is.
The pillars are said to have guided the Israelites through the desert during the exodus from Egypt.
The pillar of cloud provided a visible guide for the Israelites during the day, while the pillar of fire lit their way by night.
bob gymlan
Yeah, so evidently it wasn't a cloud but a shield.
And what would a shield look like?
We would call that a saucer.
joe rogan
Right.
Huh.
Well, then there's the Ezekiel story in the Bible, which seems very much like some sort of a UFO encounter, like the way you would describe a UFO encounter if there's nothing that flew and you didn't understand what advanced technology would be if you saw it.
The Vimanas and the ancient Hindu texts.
I mean, there's just so many...
bob gymlan
There's so much of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's so much of that stuff.
And again, if...
Life is out there everywhere in the universe.
It kind of makes sense that someone would visit us as we're emerging, as life is becoming more and more intelligent over the course of millions and millions of years.
And they find this one particular animal that's very similar to what they used to be at one point in time.
And they just say, let's speed this along.
I think we would do that.
bob gymlan
I know we would.
joe rogan
If we found a planet filled with monkeys, you don't think we'd take a few of them and shoot our stuff into it?
Let's see.
bob gymlan
It'll be fun.
joe rogan
It might also be a feature of the universe that that's what intelligent life ultimately does, which is why we want to monkey around with these monkeys in the first place and take their heads and put it on other bodies.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
So I think that different planets, in order to meet the requirements of life, would actually be quite similar.
That's just a theory I have.
joe rogan
It's a common theory.
Well, yeah.
bob gymlan
So people say, like, why are aliens carbon life forms?
Well, that's what works.
joe rogan
Right, right.
bob gymlan
Because they could be anything.
joe rogan
Not only that, that's ubiquitous, right?
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
Like, bursting stars create carbon.
This is...
Carbon-based life exists here.
Why wouldn't it exist everywhere else where there's stars everywhere else?
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
It seems to be that, like, the...
We don't find solar systems that have something completely different than a planet.
Everything that we found outside of our solar system seems to behave in a similar manner.
We look at galaxies, they seem to behave in a similar manner.
They seem to look similar.
They're of different sizes and the like, but they're pretty similar.
They're these circular spiral things.
It makes sense that If that exists everywhere, probably carbon-based life exists everywhere, too.
It's probably a feature of these solar systems.
bob gymlan
Correct.
That's what I would say, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then there's probably, like, if you are growing a garden in your backyard, you know when you planted the tomatoes.
You got, like, a little thing on it, 722 planted tomatoes, you know?
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
So then you check on them.
And then other tomatoes you planted like a couple of weeks later, like, oh, those won't be doing time.
So if you were planting humans on a planet, you'd go, well, they need a couple million years before they get their shit together, but they've started to develop nuclear bombs.
bob gymlan
That's why they hang out over nuke bases.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or they're foreign governments showing us that they have advanced technology and they can hover over our nuclear bases.
I think there's some of that going on, too.
bob gymlan
Yeah, but there's so many...
Like, that fellow who...
I can't recall his name, but he's like the most popular video on Greer's channel.
Richard Greer?
Stephen Greer?
joe rogan
Stephen Greer.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
He was like the guy who would discredit you if you saw a UFO.
He told a story about how...
joe rogan
Alan Hopkins, is that what you're talking about?
bob gymlan
I believe so.
joe rogan
From Project Blue Book?
bob gymlan
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Well, actually, I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, Alan Hopkins was the guy who was hired to debunk UFO sightings.
bob gymlan
No, it's not him.
joe rogan
He was...
And then he later became a believer.
So he studied...
He worked for Project Blue Book for a couple decades and was sent out to like, oh, we saw this, and he would go, ah, swamp gas.
And then after his career was over, then he came public with everything.
So he's saying, I think UFOs are real.
unidentified
I think we really are being visited.
joe rogan
J. Allen Hynek.
What did I say?
jamie vernon
Hopkins.
joe rogan
Oh, different.
J. Allen Hynek.
bob gymlan
I was not thinking of Hynek.
This guy was like a...
Self-admitted deep state stooge.
He was the type of guy that would go out and discredit you if you saw something.
joe rogan
Oh, he would discredit you personally?
bob gymlan
Yes.
Okay.
joe rogan
So he would turn you into a fool.
bob gymlan
Right.
So if you went to Stephen Greer's channel and looked at the most popular video on it, you would find it.
But he talks for like two hours about everything he knows, and it's nuts.
Absolutely bonkers.
joe rogan
Find that guy.
bob gymlan
And I really believe him.
joe rogan
You believe him?
You want to believe him, right?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
This stuff seems so much more likely than the alternative, which is nothing.
joe rogan
Oh, there's no life out there?
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Because we don't even know what they are.
I mean, I'm not even saying they're extraterrestrial, really.
joe rogan
Not only that, but so much more likely that they would want to visit us.
bob gymlan
I mean, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So let's get back to the crocodile.
How come you don't believe?
bob gymlan
Why would you believe?
I mean, a 50-foot crocodile?
joe rogan
Sure.
They just keep getting bigger.
bob gymlan
They don't, though.
joe rogan
How big do they get?
bob gymlan
I don't know crocodiles.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So here's the thing.
What we know about crocodiles now are crocodiles after guns.
Okay?
So guns change everything.
So that alligator out there that you saw in our lobby, that's 80 years old.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
80 years old, and a gun killed that alligator.
So guns get introduced in the 1800s, and then explorers start going through the Congo in the 1800s, and they start shooting crocodiles.
They shoot a lot of crocodiles.
In fact, a friend of mine actually got hired to go to the Congo.
Was it the Congo?
Jim Shockey.
What part did he go to?
I forget.
But he went to Africa.
He's a hunter, and they hired him to shoot crocodiles.
Because so many people in this village, he went to this village, he said it was so heartbreaking.
Like, this guy's missing an arm, this person's missing a leg, they have bites taken out of him.
And while he was there, a woman got taken out.
Like, while he was there, a woman was washing clothes, and a crocodile snatched her and dragged her into the water.
And when human beings start bringing guns, The whole ecosystem changes, right?
So these 50-foot things that have been apex predators just sunning themselves on the shore.
Now some guy lines up a shot from the beach, or from a boat rather, and just takes it out.
And they're shooting all these different crocodiles.
And so doing this over the course of, you know, 50, 60 years, all the big ones are dead.
And it takes fucking forever.
For a crocodile become a 50-foot crocodile.
And they don't die.
They just stay alive.
They only die when something happens to them.
bob gymlan
But there's one crocodile in a reserve in South Africa who was born in like 1890 or something.
And he's only like 17 feet long.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
So you think that's because his environment wasn't big enough?
joe rogan
I think it's because he's born in 1890, not 1790. Oh.
They don't die.
bob gymlan
Okay.
joe rogan
So if a crocodile is living in the Congo, okay, the Congo is rich with life.
There's life everywhere.
And certain animals have to cross these rivers.
And that's just a fucking meal train.
You know, you've seen those animals, wildebeest trying to make it across the river, and then the crocs show up and just start snatching them.
I mean, some of them make it through, and some of them die.
And that's just how it's always been.
And so they've had enormous amounts of food forever.
And if they've lived for hundreds and hundreds of years, those things would just continue to grow.
It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for something to be twice as big as the biggest one that they've spotted.
bob gymlan
Yeah, but that's long.
So, like, great white sharks, we're pretty sure that they get to 22 and a half feet, and then they get fatter.
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
So, 50 feet is really big.
joe rogan
Megalodons.
bob gymlan
Yeah, but that's a different thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But it was also a giant fucking shark.
bob gymlan
Yes.
joe rogan
I think...
It's possible there's certain subspecies of crocodiles.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like there is like caimans, like there's different subspecies of caimans even, or crocodiles rather, even in the Amazon.
There's big ones that get to be like 16 feet long and there's small ones that get killed by jaguars all the time.
Those are cool.
bob gymlan
I think that Bigfoot is more likely to be real than a 50-foot crocodile.
joe rogan
So you think these people that have these depictions of it being as big or bigger than their boat, they're just exaggerating?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah?
bob gymlan
I do.
But not in a malicious or even a lying way.
joe rogan
Probably just freaked out by the size of the goddamn thing.
bob gymlan
Not even freaked out, just like it was giant.
joe rogan
Right.
And then they exaggerate over time.
bob gymlan
Like, it was probably 20-30 feet, maybe.
But like, twice as big, bigger, more than twice as big as the biggest ever is pretty nuts.
joe rogan
It is nuts, but occasionally animals do have mutations that makes them much larger.
And you see that with humans.
Like the biggest human ever was like nine feet tall, wasn't he?
bob gymlan
But not twelve.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
True.
Right.
Not double the size.
Right.
But he also was dealing with gravity.
bob gymlan
Yes.
joe rogan
And like the real problems with being a gigantic human with all the bad bone problems.
What is that?
That's the world's oldest crocodile?
bob gymlan
Yeah, Henry.
joe rogan
Jesus, how old's Henry?
jamie vernon
They caught him in 1903. Jesus.
joe rogan
Caught him in 1903. How crazy is that?
They caught him over a hundred years ago.
bob gymlan
When I was working on the video, I don't know why this occurred to me, but he was born roughly the same time as Adolf Hitler.
joe rogan
He's a man-eating croc?
bob gymlan
Yeah, he killed a lot of people.
jamie vernon
Nile croc, yeah.
joe rogan
So this guy's just hanging out with him?
What the fuck is wrong with this dude?
He's just assuming that that thing's not hungry?
How crazy are people that we want to sit right next to a goddamn giant monster like that?
unidentified
Look at the size of that thing!
joe rogan
I just can't imagine why anybody would stand next to that.
Can't you stand really far away and just film it?
bob gymlan
That's how I feel about surfing.
jamie vernon
700 kilos.
That puts it at 1,500 pounds or so.
1,400, 1,500.
joe rogan
They're so cool, too.
Look at that face.
The way all the teeth integrate with the gums.
And when you know that this thing...
So it's captured in 1903. When was it born, right?
bob gymlan
I think it was about 15 years old when they captured him.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
So this thing's somewhere around 135 years old.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
This guy's just grabbing its dick.
Look at it.
He's like, hey, bro.
jamie vernon
To compare, that giant croc that always pops up on a golf course in Florida is known to be about 10 to 12 feet and 1,000 pounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's an alligator.
jamie vernon
I know.
It's like 15 plus feet and 1,500 pounds.
joe rogan
Like I said, the one that's out there is 14 feet.
bob gymlan
Yeah, I was really surprised to learn how much smaller, even when the length is similar, how much less heavy alligators are.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they're twice as heavy.
Yeah, crocodiles, rather, are twice as heavy.
They are so dense and they're so aggressive.
Have you ever seen when they have, yeah, it turns towards them.
Like, that guy could just get taken out.
I like that.
bob gymlan
But they drown.
That's how crocodiles kill.
joe rogan
Because they get too big, right?
bob gymlan
No, I'm saying...
joe rogan
Oh, how they kill people.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
So like a crocodile like that, if he couldn't drag you to water.
Isn't that nuts that their actual method is drowning?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they can hold their breath forever.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
So they're just like, I know you can't.
bob gymlan
Right, because their teeth are just meant for holding.
Their teeth aren't meant for chomping or anything.
joe rogan
Have you seen the one where the crocodile takes a pig and snaps it in half with a shake of his leg and chokes down the leg?
bob gymlan
No.
Have you seen the one where the crocodile just rolls and rips its friend's leg off for no reason?
joe rogan
Yes, and the friend doesn't even flinch.
bob gymlan
It's just like...
joe rogan
What the fuck, dude?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, the lady was feeding them, right?
And he just...
What do you got here, Jeremy?
Oh yeah, here it is.
Look at that.
bob gymlan
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
It just snaps that pig in half.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
With a quick little fling of its neck.
bob gymlan
Sure did.
joe rogan
Oh, that's my own Instagram.
Watch this.
Snap.
Like it was nothing.
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Just wanted a bite-sized chunk.
No big deal.
Just an animal that's been around for how many millions of years?
jamie vernon
I know he's strayed, but this is the guy you're talking about.
joe rogan
Richard Doty.
Okay.
Spread disinformation about UFOs on behalf of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.
So that's the guy.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
So his job was to make you look like an idiot if you believe in UFOs.
Now, why do you think they would do that?
bob gymlan
To discredit people.
joe rogan
But why?
Why would they want to discredit people?
bob gymlan
Man, you are...
I don't know.
I guess to keep their secrets.
joe rogan
What secrets?
bob gymlan
Alright, then keep your secrets.
joe rogan
So you think that they know something about UFOs.
They don't want people to believe these things are real.
They want to discourage people coming forward.
So they mock them.
They turn them into fools.
This guy's job is to discredit all the stories and make the person look like a crazy person, gaslight everybody.
And it's because they don't want people to know what they know.
bob gymlan
I would imagine that the truth is worse.
Well, yes, but because what they know is really, really bad.
joe rogan
What do you think they know?
Do you subscribe to the Babazar Vessels of Souls idea?
bob gymlan
I'm unfamiliar with that.
joe rogan
Oh, you didn't know that one?
bob gymlan
No, but I know Kathy Turner, a Dr. Kathy Turner, who wrote Taken into the Fringe and Masquerade of Angels, and she said the only thing that's consistent throughout all abduction reports is that the aliens are fascinated with the concept of the soul.
So I assume that works into whatever you're talking about with Bob Lazar.
joe rogan
Bob Lazar said one of the more bizarre things that he found out when he was working at Area S4 was that they had this very thick sort of document on all that they knew so far about aliens.
And one of the things was it went back to religion.
See if you can find Bob Lazar talking about it so I don't butcher this.
But I believe what he was saying was that they think of us as containers for souls.
Now let's imagine, before we show the Bob Lazar thing, let's imagine how that would happen.
Now let's imagine that human beings, we are biological life, and so therefore we have what we call a soul, and then we create digital life.
And maybe Maybe this digital life, maybe artificial creations are what we're seeing in these gray aliens.
Maybe they are some sort of hybrid or some sort of...
Some sort of creation that's outside of evolution, outside of natural adaptation.
And they look at us as the source, like they can't breed anymore.
Maybe for them to exist, maybe they need an actual soul.
And to think of us as a farm for souls.
bob gymlan
I really do think that we're a farm of some kind to them.
Because it's funny because people always say, like, they hang out over nuke sites so that we don't bomb ourselves.
And it's like, sure, but not from a compassion standpoint.
It's like if the farmer doesn't Protect his cow because he wants it to find some sort of spiritual thing.
And that's why I take issue with like Stephen Greer and all those people who are like, you just need to expand your consciousness and then you see it.
It's like, that's a pretty...
I feel like that's what they want you to think.
joe rogan
Did you find the Bob Lazar thing?
Here, listen to him talk about this because it's pretty crazy.
bob lazar
Yeah, the only hardcore thing is that there is an extremely classified document dealing with religion and it's about that thing.
Yeah, the only hardcore thing is that there is an extremely classified document dealing with religion and it's about that second period.
But, why would there be any classified material dealing with religion?
unidentified
I want to go back to the religion thing.
I want you to say it.
bob lazar
It's so far out.
Alright, your objection has been noted.
unidentified
What does it say?
bob lazar
That we're containers.
That's how supposedly the aliens look at us.
That we are nothing but containers.
Containers of?
Containers.
Maybe containers of souls.
You can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers.
And that's how we're mentioned in the documents.
That religion was specifically created Yikes.
unidentified
Yikes.
bob gymlan
I didn't think of it that way.
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
That you can actually damage your soul.
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
But it is almost like every holy text has that.
joe rogan
Well, it does make sense, too, because if...
If what is in religion, right, the idea is like to save your soul.
You have to abide by certain rules.
You have to be good to each other.
You have to live a just life.
All of these things are laid out so you don't damage the energy that is inside you and turn it evil.
bob gymlan
See, it could be more pragmatic than that, though.
If someone is going to inherit your soul, they don't want to bog down with bad habits.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, well, they don't want it to be evil.
They want it to have negative energy attached to it and the karma of killing a bunch of people.
Like, who wants Dick Cheney's soul?
You know?
The alien's like, you could have that, dude.
bob gymlan
Remember when he shot someone and then the guy apologized to him?
Isn't that nuts?
joe rogan
You know how gangster that is?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
You shoot a guy in the face and the dude's like, yeah, I look like a bird.
Don't worry about it.
bob gymlan
I look like a dude.
Can you...
What is with...
Is there any way to you that we're not being gaslit, like, to hell by Kamala Harris?
joe rogan
In what way?
bob gymlan
Like, wasn't she, like, a joke even among Democrats?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
bob gymlan
Like, ten seconds ago?
Like, literally.
unidentified
Sure.
bob gymlan
Like, a day ago.
joe rogan
Yep.
bob gymlan
And now it's like, the country's rallying around.
joe rogan
I know.
Yeah.
bob gymlan
What?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't even- Yeah, we're so easily manipulated, and they're all doing it in lockstep.
Yeah, no doubt about it.
There's no doubt about it.
She was...
She polled as the least popular vice president of all time.
Yeah.
She is...
You know, I had dinner with a friend of mine recently who actually knows her.
He says she's very smart.
But when she gets in front of a camera, she locks up and she's just not good at communicating.
And she tries to go off script and she...
You know, whenever you're talking in front of a large group of people, there's a bizarre stress and pressure that really constricts your ability to communicate.
bob gymlan
I'm aware.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
As of the last few minutes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
And this is just you and me, right?
This is just you and me.
And now imagine you and me, but we're in front of 15,000 people that are hanging on our every word, and you're kind of free-balling, and maybe you really haven't even done the research.
Like, someone's asking, how are you going to fix the economy?
You're right?
And then you have some, well, the problem is everybody needs money because of the bills.
And we're working on that.
Like, what?
bob gymlan
Well, that's so obvious when the passage of time is significant and the significance of the passage of time is significant because of the passage of time.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So that's someone who is basically like a kid in the fifth grade who's writing a book report but they haven't read the book.
bob gymlan
That's every time I see her on camera, that's all I can think, is that she's the kid who didn't do her homework.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
Because she just has that vibe.
Did you see the clip of her talking about how dare we wish Merry Christmas to people?
joe rogan
No.
bob gymlan
Yeah, she does this bizarre rant about how we shouldn't be wishing Merry Christmas to anyone.
joe rogan
Is this when she was a senator?
bob gymlan
I don't know.
It's recent.
joe rogan
It's recent?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
It's so strange that, like, that was her, like, that's the only time I've seen her passionate about anything on camera.
joe rogan
Come on, really?
No, I haven't seen that.
I've seen the one she was telling that people need to be woke.
Everyone needs to be more woke.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You should be more woke.
You should figure out who's the wokest and try to be the wokest, but she should, whatever, everyone should be more woke.
She's, like, laughing.
It's like, what the fuck?
kamala harris
And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas.
unidentified
How dare we speak Merry Christmas?
How dare we?
kamala harris
Merry Christmas, everyone.
bob gymlan
She invoked Greta Thunberg a little bit there.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so nutty.
How dare we?
bob gymlan
How dare we?
How dare you?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, we're definitely being gaslit.
And not only that, here's the big one, right?
She wasn't elected.
Right.
She was appointed vice president and then they didn't do primaries.
They had no primaries for Joe Biden.
And now all of a sudden she is the nominee because he's stepping away.
And so then they bring in her and they bring in this other guy who's radical from Minnesota.
That's the vice president.
Who, he believes a lot of wild things.
One of them is transgender surgery for people who are under 13. Another one is abortion up until nine months.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's reasons why people medically would, like, if the woman's life is in danger, if the child has something wrong, it's not gonna live.
There's reasons why they choose to do things like that.
But that stuff scares the fuck out of people.
He changed the Minnesota state flag to make it look like a Somali flag.
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Oh.
joe rogan
You haven't seen that?
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Show that video.
So the video of him taking down the Minnesota flag and he replaced it with the new flag that looks a lot like the Somali flag.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Minnesota has a huge population of Somalis in it.
bob gymlan
Well, isn't What's-Her-Face?
joe rogan
Yes.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
Omar.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's a video of him doing it.
bob gymlan
Well, okay.
joe rogan
Well, let's see the video.
But they did change the Minnesota state flag, correct?
bob gymlan
Sometimes the false...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem with, like, fact checkers.
Some of these fact checkers are completely full of shit.
Like, you're just trying to debunk something, especially now when there's all this scrutiny being paid attention to what this guy's done.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
What have you...
What's the false stuff, Jamie?
It's not the flag itself, correct?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, I typed in I'm just trying to even get to it.
A whole bunch of stories are popping up.
I'll just show you this.
Like, no, he didn't give them a Somali flag.
No, he didn't change it to resemble Somali.
joe rogan
False Somali state flag.
Okay, but what does it look like now?
jamie vernon
That's what I was trying to get to.
joe rogan
Okay, on the left is a Somali flag.
On the right is a Minnesota state flag.
Okay.
Same color as Somali flag, a white star, a different white star in it, like the Somali flag.
Very different than the original Minnesota flag.
And there's the video down below that.
That's when he changes it out.
So he takes out the Minnesota state flag.
Oh, hold on a second.
Wait a minute.
Turn the volume up, please.
So you hear him say that?
unidentified
All right, ready.
Whoa, wait a minute.
joe rogan
So he gets the flag, picks it up, moves it out of the way, and replaces it.
unidentified
Look at this.
There, that's better.
joe rogan
Why is that better?
bob gymlan
I don't know.
joe rogan
Why do you care what the flag looks like, first of all?
And why do you get to change the flag?
How crazy is that the governor gets to change the flag?
Who else is involved in that decision to change the flag?
jamie vernon
Is that what happened?
joe rogan
I don't know.
jamie vernon
Usually it's a big event.
They let people pick, you know.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Now we have a bunch of people that's a high population of Somalis in your state.
I would imagine they would want to try to get that flag a little closer to home.
bob gymlan
The worst incident of...
Fact-checking was the quid pro quo Joe clip where Biden brags about that time that he withheld a billion dollars of aid to Ukraine.
joe rogan
So they fire a prosecutor.
bob gymlan
To fire a prosecutor that we now know his son worked for.
And if you type that in, Snopes or whatever would tell you just like, oh, that didn't happen.
There was no quid pro quo and Biden didn't want the prosecutor fired because he didn't know that his son worked for Burisma at the time.
And it's like, how can you just say that's fake?
And it's scary to me that people will read that and be like, oh, it's fake.
It's like, no, look at it with your eyes.
joe rogan
Yeah, fact-checkers are fucking dangerous, and it's really...
I mean, what you're seeing is kind of treason.
It's kind of what it is.
If you're seeing that kind of fact-checking, you're lying.
You're lying, and you're intentionally misrepresenting facts, and you're doing so because you want a specific result politically.
And it should be illegal.
bob gymlan
I agree.
joe rogan
Especially if people think of you as a fact checker.
And what does that mean?
What does it mean to be a fact checker?
The problem with facts is a lot of them are very subjective.
You can find one small inconsistency or one...
You could phrase a question in a certain way and have your answer false in a different way because you're just finding some nitpicky way to look at things.
I've seen a lot of that.
To the point where you're like, that's not fact-checked at all.
You guys just fucking, you're gaslighting.
It's just pure gaslighting.
jamie vernon
This is what it says, who picked the new flag.
joe rogan
State Emblems Redesign Commission tasked with choosing the new flag and seal made its final selections this week, and the new design will debut next year.
It follows four months of meetings, many-spirited debates, and 2,500 submissions from the public sharing their ideas for the new symbols.
jamie vernon
This is why they changed it.
He said it was problematic.
joe rogan
Problematic.
Oh, I love that term.
Our current flag is problematic.
I think we all know that.
We've evolved from a more diverse state, evolved into a more diverse state, and I think it's more reflective of that.
Okay, what was the original flag?
There's concern with the scene depicted on the old flag, which many found offensive.
First adopted in 1957, the flag showed a white settler tilling land as an indigenous man rides horseback.
Indigenous members of the State Emblem Redesign Commission said it was harmful to their communities and promoted the erasure of their people from the land.
bob gymlan
What?
joe rogan
Well, can I see what it looks like?
Show me the original, just get a photo of the original Minnesota flag.
Okay, click on that.
Let's see what it looked like.
Okay.
So there's a Native American on horseback.
I see it, though.
And then there's a farmer tilling the land and a Native American on horseback.
Is that problematic because Native Americans didn't really ride horses?
And people didn't really till the land?
Like, I don't understand what...
bob gymlan
There's a big controversy about that, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah?
bob gymlan
Whether or not horses, how long horses have been in North America.
joe rogan
Well, horses originated in North America.
bob gymlan
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Horses originated in North America, including zebras.
All of them originated in North America.
Then they were wiped out and they had been introduced into Asia and Africa and all these other continents and then reintroduced back to America.
bob gymlan
Right.
I meant like...
joe rogan
When people rode them?
bob gymlan
Correct.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
Because a lot of people are saying that First Nations peoples had horses for a lot longer than Europeans had been in America.
joe rogan
Certainly possible.
There's certainly different segments, different North American tribes that were much better, including right here where we are, the Comanche.
The Comanche were notoriously good at raising horses and was part of how fierce they were.
They had so many horses.
They rode them so well and they could ride sideways and shoot arrows underneath the horse's neck.
But...
I don't know why that's so problematic.
You've got to replace it with something that looks a whole lot like a Somali flag.
The idea that it doesn't look like a Somali flag is kind of crazy.
I mean, it does.
bob gymlan
It does.
joe rogan
It certainly does.
It's certainly the same color.
It certainly also has a white star.
It's just a different white star.
bob gymlan
Correct.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's like, you know, the flag doesn't bother me that much.
If the people in Minnesota like it, like, who cares?
It's just a star and some colors.
The real problem is...
When you hear discussions of things that are like openly Marxist philosophies, when you hear talk about equal outcomes, and not just equal opportunity, but that we all need to arrive at the same place, equal outcome talk, there's only one way they can do that, and it's by forcing you.
bob gymlan
Well, it's by everyone having nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
That's the only way to have things totally equal.
unidentified
Exactly.
bob gymlan
Because you can't have everyone have everything.
That's impossible.
joe rogan
Right.
There's no way.
There's not enough resources.
And so for equal distribution, that has to be enforced by law.
So that has to be enforced by the government and the government generally does not have equal.
They have much more than you.
And that's Fidel Castro in Cuba.
That's North Korea.
That's virtually every communist country that's ever existed.
You have a military dictatorship that decides what you can and can't do with your time.
And all under the guise of making it better for everyone.
And that's exactly what they did to North Korea when they took over people's farms.
They said, we're going to take over the farm so that everybody has food.
Yay!
Good.
Now everyone's starving.
And the government has all the food.
If you kill a cow, they'll kill you.
Yeah, it's nuts.
It's nuts that people don't learn from history and it's nuts that people who subscribe to this leftist ideology have this very distorted version of humans and how capitalism works and what's the benefits of it.
I think there's a lot of parts of progressive ideology and philosophy that could be applied to society to make things better.
I think if we funded more things the same way we fund The fire department, the police force, these are kind of socialist things, right?
Everybody gets access to the fire department.
It's a part of being in the community.
We all pay for it.
Education is that way, but it should be much more funded, right?
It should be much more prestigious, much better trained teachers, a more esteemed position.
I feel the same way about law enforcement.
They should be much more respected much better trained It should put much more resources into that and have them be Integral and a part of the community and that for the safety of the community not not the bad guys who come in To pull you over because you rolled through a fucking stoplight, you know that kind of shit, right?
And I think The problem is these people that have this idea of equal outcome This is the worst version of all these leftist ideologies The worst version is open borders, everybody should have everything, and then equal distribution of it.
And then what always comes with that is they unarm the citizens.
And if they don't unarm the citizens, you can't get away with any of this stuff.
But as soon as you have – no one has guns other than the police, everybody is forced to comply.
And if the army and the police are the only ones that get to tell you what to do and they take orders from the government and the government is a communist dictatorship, you're fucked.
And that has never been – More evident than in all the versions of it that you can see in current world politics now where a government has been taken over by a communist regime.
It's always bad.
It never turns out good.
Not a single fucking time.
People starve.
It gets horrible.
There's just terrible government overreach.
You're seeing it now in England where people are getting arrested for tweets.
England, you know, people talk about Soviet Russia, like how bad Russia is in terms of cracking down on thought police and cracking down on bad tweets and things like that.
I think the statistics are I think there's something like 4,000 people have been arrested in England for thought crimes where they've said things online that people find to be a hateful thing or a problematic thing.
And I think it's only 200 in Russia.
bob gymlan
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
That says a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Maybe in Russia they're too scared to do it at all.
joe rogan
Could be.
Yeah.
But the fact that they're comfortable with finding people who've said something that they disagree with and putting them in a fucking cage in England in 2024 is really wild.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially they're saying you get arrested just for retweeting something.
And who's to—here's the problem with that.
Even if you say, yeah, well, people shouldn't treat hateful things.
I agree.
They shouldn't.
But who's to decide what is a hateful thing?
bob gymlan
That's the problem.
unidentified
It's subjective.
bob gymlan
That's the problem.
joe rogan
It's very subjective.
bob gymlan
And it still shouldn't be a crime.
joe rogan
And in our lifetime, we've seen that get moved, right?
So it used to be if a guy thought he was a woman and his name was Doug and you grew up with Doug and all of a sudden Doug wants to be called Debbie, if you call him Doug— It's no big deal.
Like, yeah, maybe you're being rude to call him Doug, but it's not a hate crime, okay?
Well, now a lot of people think it's a hate crime, and that got you banned from Twitter for life.
So if you deadnamed someone on the old Twitter, you were banned for life.
Deadnamed, not even making up a name.
You can call him an idiot.
You can call someone an idiot, okay?
Forget about a man and address, maybe that's a problem.
But if you call, like, a regular guy an idiot, you stupid fuck, fine, no problem.
But if you call Doug, Doug, You will get banned for life.
Okay, that's the new hate speech.
That's crazy.
Now, if that keeps going, that didn't exist before.
If that keeps going, maybe you can go to jail for calling him Doug.
Maybe they think it's okay to put you in jail because you violated their hate speech laws.
That's how nutty things can get.
And you've also seen during COVID how ridiculous people get with cracking down and enforcing laws like that.
You know, you saw it in Australia, people getting arrested for being outside without a mask on.
bob gymlan
Which is like the opposite of what you should be doing.
joe rogan
Exactly.
bob gymlan
I mean, you should be outside is what I'm saying.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You should be outside and you should have a mask on.
It's nonsense.
It doesn't work.
There's no evidence whatsoever that it's effective.
bob gymlan
I thought it was funny how many people – like the mask was never intended to be protection for you.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
It was to protect others around you.
But like I saw so many people putting it on like a shield.
joe rogan
It's like it doesn't – it's not a – Not only that, you're using surgical masks.
Those are designed to keep people from spitting into open wounds and dropping particles out of their mouth into people's surgeries.
We're so susceptible to manipulation and that's what's really scary about the time that we're living in because we have so much access to information but yet so many people are willing to put the blinders on and go full steam ahead with whatever their team wants.
There was this ridiculous video, the other day, comics for Kamala.
Did you see that?
bob gymlan
No, when I saw white men for Kamala.
Was that it?
joe rogan
There's white dudes for Kamala.
This is all organized, by the way.
And there was a Twitch streamer, one of the big-time Twitch streamers, one of the big guys, who read out what they were offering him.
They were offering him money to advocate.
For Kamala Harris online.
He's like, I am not fucking doing this.
And so he's like reading this thing where they're offering money.
They're literally paying for astroturfing.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
The most egregious thing I've seen recently, you know, after everything of the past eight years, nine years, it's hard to get pissed off genuinely anymore.
But is now all the left people saying that Trump is afraid to debate Trump or that Trump is afraid to debate Kamala.
And I saw this meme of Trump is like the cowardly lion.
Everyone's like, he's never going to show up.
It's like you said the exact same thing about Biden.
The exact same thing.
And Trump went in there and just like...
It was...
Oh, man.
The guy who got shot in the face like two days ago and said, fight, fight, fight, is scared to debate Kamala.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems ridiculous.
But, you know, that's just what they do.
That's politics.
They do it on the left.
They do it on the right.
They gaslight you.
They manipulate you.
They promote narratives.
And the only one who's not doing that is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. You a fan?
Yeah, I am a fan.
Yeah, he's the only one that makes sense to me.
He's the only one that—he doesn't attack people.
He attacks actions and ideas, but he's much more reasonable and intelligent.
I mean, the guy was an environmental attorney and cleaned up the East River.
I mean, he's a legitimate guy.
You know, before anybody started calling him an anti-vaxxer, which I thought he was, too.
I thought he was this nut, this, like, conspiracy theorist nut, until I read his book.
I read the real Anthony Fauci, and I'm like, what is— How much of this is real?
Because if it's all real, this is fucking insane and we live in a world where we're being manipulated by these health organizations that are being paid by the pharmaceutical drug interests and these pharmaceutical drug companies are pumping these products out into the population and telling us that we need them and then making insane amounts of money and then Also,
the government is in on it, and also they share a patent with Moderna, and also they share profits, and there's 700 million dollars, 700...
I mean, however much money was made, whatever the number is that these guys made off of these products, like, this is, all of it is fucking crazy.
There's the revolving door between the CDC and the FDA and then these pharmaceutical drug companies.
So the people that make the regulations then go on to have these cushy jobs with the pharmaceutical drug corporations.
Like, oh, nothing to see here.
It's like it's open.
It's right out in the open.
Right.
And when he talks about all that stuff in his book, you're just like, what the fuck, man?
If this wasn't true, he would be sued.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
So it seems to be true.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's a scary thing because people don't want to talk about it because they don't want to be attacked.
They don't want to be called an anti-vaxxer.
That's a big one.
bob gymlan
Right.
It cracked me up how a lot of the people on the right started to despise the vaccine and then Trump at the same time was like, it's my vaccine, you guys.
And then he got kind of confused.
It's one of the rare times in politics that Trump didn't seem sure of his course.
joe rogan
Well, I think he was proud of getting it out there.
bob gymlan
Yeah, warp speed.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was proud that they did it.
We got the vaccine.
It was a good vaccine.
I don't think he knows.
You know, I think he took it, which is crazy, too, because the guy survived COVID. He got COVID before the vaccine was developed, and then he still took the vaccine, which is, like, literally illogical.
It flies in the face of science and what we understand about the immune system.
Yeah.
There's a video of Anthony Fauci from many years ago on a talk show saying someone got the flu.
Should they get a flu shot?
No, because if you survive the disease, if you recover from the disease, you have the best protection.
He's literally saying that.
And then, of course, that was thrown out the window when they wanted to vaccinate everybody.
bob gymlan
Well, plus, it's not a vaccine.
It's a flu shot.
It's the equivalent of a flu shot.
Because a vaccine means you can't get it.
joe rogan
Well, it's even more weird because it's mRNA, right?
So it's like this messenger RNA It's basically gene therapy.
Like you're tricking your body into creating these antibodies.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
And you're also doing a bunch of damage to some people.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is also their gaslighting about how many people are vaccine injured.
I fucking know a bunch of them.
We all do.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
We all know somebody who got fucked up by that stuff.
It's all crazy.
unidentified
What's up?
jamie vernon
Looking into the people arrested for tweets in England thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's a very confusing story.
joe rogan
So it says 3,395 arrests have been made by 29 UK police forces for Section 127 offenses, which is used for cases of online abuse.
According to the article, 1,696 people were subsequently charged.
Section 127 offenses cover harassment that takes place via electronic communications network and is not limited to social media posts, harassment via email or other forms of online communication.
Can also fall under this definition.
jamie vernon
So this video is going around recently.
joe rogan
Of the lady arresting that guy.
jamie vernon
And this is going back to a discussion that Constantine Kizzen was having on a YouTube video.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
From before COVID though.
So this was all from like 2017. Yeah, but they've been doing it for a while, yeah.
I'm looking up and trying to find, like, I can't find any updated information that says that this is still continuing to happen, except for three guys were recently arrested for, like, the Leeds riots because they were posting violent stuff on Twitter or something like that.
joe rogan
I know there was one guy who was posting stickers.
He got arrested for posting stickers that they said were offensive.
What we have with the First Amendment, freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is gigantic.
There's only one way you find out what's right.
You got to let people talk.
And you got to let people, even like on X, say the wrong things or say offensive things.
You find those people, you don't like them, block them.
You don't like it, don't listen.
Don't read.
Don't read what they're saying.
It's disturbing.
It is very disturbing.
To me, when I really became hyper-aware of it was post-October 7th, when you see so much anti-Semitism.
It's just blatant, out in the open, and often incorrect and ignorant anti-Semitism.
Not just like, wow, look at all these Jewish people that are the head of these banks.
Look at all these Jewish people that are running show business.
But just...
Ruthless, nasty anti-Semitism out in the open.
And then people agreeing with it out in the open.
Like, this is crazy.
bob gymlan
Well, it's almost...
It's because it's coming from one protected class to another.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
bob gymlan
Is how I see that.
Because, I mean, like...
Right.
Obviously, if that was a stance of the right, it would be immediately called out as evil as it is.
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
It's not, right?
It's a stance of the left, which is fascinating.
That's why those...
When those heads of universities were getting grilled and they were talking about whether or not saying death to the Jews is harassment at MIT or at Harvard rather.
And she was saying, well, if it's actionable.
bob gymlan
So you're saying you actually got to wait till they do it.
joe rogan
You got to wait till they commit genocide before it's a problem.
Yeah.
bob gymlan
That's pretty nuts.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
Yeah, it's nuts.
But it's also – it's like – this is the consequences of having these rigid ideologies where you think that your side has to be correct and the other side is incorrect.
And if you think, you know, free, free Palestine, this is what we're into.
So, like, the people that are the most radical that are pushing that the furthest, like the Antifa of that organization, are the death of the Jews people.
They're the ones that are going to take, like, remember during the George Floyd riots and the Antifa riots, like, people on the left sided with violent mobs and tried to gaslight you on what they did.
They said they're mostly peaceful demonstrations.
bob gymlan
As the camera's panning around trying not to get something engulfed in flames.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
That's gaslighting.
But the reason why is because those are the people that are going to crack heads and get things done for our side.
That's the implication.
The implication is we are on the left and the most violent and aggressive people on the left, they're going to push the envelope.
They're going to get things done.
So they're mostly doing good.
They're mostly peaceful.
bob gymlan
Yeah, well, I think the shame of it is that, like, I don't know, BLM, like, now it's pretty well understood that they were legit a scam.
joe rogan
Yeah, they made a lot of money, they bought a lot of real estate.
bob gymlan
They bought, like, six mansions and a bunch of cars, and then they disbanded, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
And it's sad.
Like, have you seen the exterminator footage?
There was this exterminator, white guy, literally got handcuffed and shot by the police on camera in a hotel.
joe rogan
For what?
bob gymlan
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean the guy that's in Phoenix?
I don't know where it was.
It's in Arizona where he's crawling along the hallway and his pants are dropping down and the cop shoots him?
bob gymlan
No, I don't think so.
This is a guy who, he was an exterminator and he had a pellet gun and he was putting it in it.
That's it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's in a hotel.
bob gymlan
Yeah, it's in a hotel.
I remember that.
And that's one of the most disturbing...
What I'm trying to say is that if you're trying to solve the problem of police overstep, looking at it through a racial lens isn't going to solve it because that's not the problem.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
Because it happens to white people.
joe rogan
It happens to a lot of people.
unidentified
Right.
bob gymlan
So you can't just blanket statement with it saying that it's about one particular group.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, I think it was one of those moments in history where one thing sets off and there's a bunch of tension that's like at the surface.
Racial tension.
And then one thing sets it off and then there's this narrative.
And then there's through social media, you get all these examples that you see over and over and over again of white cops shooting black people.
And so people have it in their mind that Black people are unjustly harassed and are attacked more than anyone else.
And that's why that professor at Harvard who released that study showing that there is not a difference, there's not a disparity, a racial disparity in the way black people are assaulted or shot by cops versus white people.
And people attacked him.
Because they don't want their narratives destroyed.
The problem is bad cops.
That's the problem.
And the problem is sociopaths that become police officers.
This problem is cops with PTSD. The problem is just like you can have bad anything in any walk of life.
You can have a bad doctor.
You can have a bad football coach.
You can have a bad cop.
And the bad cops are a real fucking problem.
They wind up shooting people that shouldn't be shot.
They're fucking crazy.
They've lost their soul.
You know?
The aliens wouldn't want them as a container.
bob gymlan
No, they wouldn't.
joe rogan
No.
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
The alien thing is crazy if that's...
If what we're talking about when we talk about, like, save our souls, like, that we think about...
Having, like, your essence is negative and evil.
And that negative evil essence, they're trying to minimize the amount of those.
Like, if your crop has, like, a disease, if, like, some sort of a thing, some fungus is growing on your crop, you're going to destroy most of the crop.
Like, what do we have to do to protect the crop when we give the crop religion?
Let's keep these mind viruses from destroying us.
Let's keep war at a minimum.
Let's keep these people from doing things that are unethical and immoral because they actually do damage the thing that we need the most that's inside of it.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
Have you ever had any sort of an alien experience?
bob gymlan
Yeah, actually.
My roommate, and this was at my college, Ripon College, we were on this place that's basically just a balcony, and we just saw, it was like 3am, we drank a lot that night, and we're having our last cigarette of the night.
And we just saw one triangle with red dots appear way in the distance and it was by a radio tower which I only mention because it's easy to say then you saw the radio tower but it's like no the radio tower was clear and then we watched it for like two minutes and then another one appeared right next to it and then they both disappeared.
And it wasn't really a big deal at the time.
And it still isn't now.
But it was something.
Man, it was really something.
joe rogan
When you say it wasn't a big deal, what do you mean?
bob gymlan
We weren't agitated.
It was more just like, that's nuts.
joe rogan
Well, you're probably a little drunk still, too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But you all saw the same thing?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
How many guys?
bob gymlan
Just two of us.
And...
It was very far away.
joe rogan
Did anybody else see it?
Was there any other reports?
bob gymlan
Not that I know of.
I never looked into it.
joe rogan
And so it was very far away.
And how did it move?
bob gymlan
Didn't move.
joe rogan
It just hovered?
bob gymlan
We know.
I don't know if the first one appeared or not.
Or if it was always there.
But like, I think he saw it first and I looked and was like, what is that?
It was dark, but you couldn't see stars behind it.
So there was obviously something in between the three red lights.
And then the second one appeared overlapping it, so in front of it.
And then they both just disappeared.
joe rogan
Just disappeared?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just blinked out of existence?
bob gymlan
We didn't see them leave.
joe rogan
So you were staring at it and all of a sudden it was gone?
bob gymlan
Correct.
joe rogan
And did you both say, oh shit, it's gone?
bob gymlan
I don't even remember.
joe rogan
Wow.
Wow.
bob gymlan
It was something, though.
I have it.
I have photos of it on an old Blackberry.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
How blurry are they?
bob gymlan
Very blurry.
They just look like nothing.
joe rogan
What's the best photo of a UFO that's ever been taken?
I mean, there's a bunch of old ones from like the 1960s, I think, that think are straight horseshit.
There's this one guy who kept encountering them.
And it looks like hubcaps and stuff that he's throwing in the sky.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
Could have been that, I don't know.
I don't know specifics of photos.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the Mexico City footage?
bob gymlan
I don't even know why.
That made me think of Signs, the movie.
It's my favorite movie of all time.
joe rogan
It's a good movie.
The Mexico City UFO footage is interesting because it's in Mexico City and you see this thing flying and you see it like in the distance as it's going past these buildings and you're like, what the fuck is that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And seen by thousands and thousands of people.
bob gymlan
I would imagine that the best one is the Phoenix Lights.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
bob gymlan
That's kind of the...
joe rogan
Clearest UFO photo ever taken was hidden from the public for three decades.
The Calvin photograph taken by two hikers in the Scottish Highlands.
The picture is handed over to the Ministry of Defense and was hidden from the public for more than three decades.
The unbelievable images show a diamond-shaped object hovering in the sky.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
It looks like a saucer.
It looks like it's just pointy at the top.
Like, doesn't it look like it would be circular?
Why do they think it's diamond-shaped?
Oh, okay, that way it looks diamond-shaped.
bob gymlan
Is that a photo?
That's the photo?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
bob gymlan
Holy crap.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Wild, huh?
bob gymlan
That is very wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
It does look like it'd be circular.
joe rogan
I mean, it's hard to say what the fuck that is.
Go back to that other one, I think the top one is like enhanced.
jamie vernon
Descriptions about it and eyewitnesses that saw it too.
I was trying to read what it said.
This is right here.
It says there's something fishy here.
A huge pinch of salt, but I was trying to get to it.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
It says it hovered for 10 minutes, shot upwards, which we've heard before.
joe rogan
Before disappearing.
Negatives of the picture dubbed the Calvin photographer originally handed over to Scotland's Daily Record newspaper, who in turn passed them to the Ministry of Defense.
However, they were never shown to the public.
After decades of research, photos uncovered by academic and journalist Dr. David Clarke.
Dr. Clarke reached out to – Clarke is spelled in two different ways right there.
This website might suck.
See, he's got an E in the first one and then afterwards, no E. As the story goes, Dr. Clarke reached out to Craig Lindsay, former Royal Air Force press officer.
Who had kept a copy of the photo after the story was looked into back in the 90s.
Lindsey even kept the original envelope containing the Calvin photos in his possession.
Hmm.
That's the dude?
jamie vernon
I guess so.
joe rogan
That dude looks like he might sell you a bad car.
For instance, an astronomer was left amazed by a UFO caught flying across the moon.
What the fuck's that?
Click on that.
Okay.
So he's looking at it through a telescope.
What's he say?
unidentified
See that?
What?
jamie vernon
Something flew across the screen there.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
jamie vernon
Happened fast, but...
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
And there's a lot of space between this telescope and the moon, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that could be satellites, right?
It says not the ISS. Okay, maybe it's another satellite.
jamie vernon
Maybe it's a bug.
joe rogan
Or?
bob gymlan
Or?
Maybe it's UFO. Aliens.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or UFOs.
bob gymlan
UFO. UAPs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Why'd they change that?
Did UFO have a stink to it?
bob gymlan
I think it was so Hillary Clinton had a sound bite.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
Do you remember?
She was the one who announced it.
joe rogan
Oh.
That they changed the name?
bob gymlan
Yeah, she was the first one to do it.
Have you seen that clip where she's like, UAPs, actually.
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
All of it's weird.
bob gymlan
It is weird.
joe rogan
It's a waste of time, you know, because if there's no real evidence in front of you, you're just sitting around here spinning your wheels, having stupid conversations about it.
Oh, what happened?
What's that one about?
jamie vernon
She was promising to tell the truth about UFOs back in 2016. Oh, she lied.
joe rogan
She was just trying to get elected.
Maybe if she won, she would have told us that it was Charlemagne.
bob gymlan
The god.
joe rogan
You think she smells like sulfur?
bob gymlan
I do.
No, I don't.
Have you seen the remake, the Alex Jones remake of that song?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
bob gymlan
That's like the best thing I've ever seen.
joe rogan
No, it's amazing.
Yeah, it's amazing.
When he goes on that rant and they turn it into a song.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's easy to get very cynical about our world now.
bob gymlan
It is.
It's terrible.
joe rogan
I think that's also a feature of this whole UFO thing is that people want the UFOs to come and save us because they think we're fucked.
unidentified
Yeah.
bob gymlan
I think that extraterrestrials, if they exist, are evil.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
I do.
joe rogan
Really?
bob gymlan
Well, I mean, if you look at the lion's share of abduction reports, they're all really nasty.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's always an anal probe and...
We're being paralyzed on an operating table.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But also it's like you've got to imagine the fear that a person would have.
It's not evil in terms of like they don't get killed, right?
So they get released, they get returned, but they have this terrifying and frightening experience.
So you've got to imagine that just being taking aboard a UFO, even if they're being kind to you, it'd be fucking horrific.
You'd be so scared that you would kind of assume that they were negative.
bob gymlan
Right.
Well, according to Dr. Carla Turner, she has three rules, or ten rules about UFO abductions.
The first one is that we don't actually know what they are, so aliens or carbon or terrestrial.
Interdimensional or something else entirely.
And the second rule is that they lie about their origin.
And because they've given lots of places and none of them panned out apparently.
And then the third rule is that they're full of shit.
And that they have total control over the abductee.
So, like, you only remember what they wanted you to remember.
And, like, it's nuts.
So she was like a doctor of language.
Nothing to do with aliens or anything.
Until in 1991, they let her remember that she's been abducted all her life.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bob gymlan
Yeah, and then, strangely enough, same thing happened to her husband.
He remembered that he'd been abducted all of his life, and evidently they told her something like, why do you think you guys married each other?
And the implication was that it was just convenient for the aliens.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bob gymlan
I know.
And it's so weird because you can watch her lectures.
They're mostly blacklisted, but there are ways to find them even on YouTube.
joe rogan
Does she seem rational?
bob gymlan
She seems so rational.
And she just has this sweet, she's not old, but kind of an old lady voice.
And she talks extensively about how all these abductees have terrible traumas left from it, even if they have positive memories of the abductions.
joe rogan
Right.
Just because the subconscious probably has...
bob gymlan
Correct.
And that a lot of them have terrible issues of cancer, and then she dies of cancer everywhere in 1998. I only discovered her a little while ago, and it was very disturbing stuff, like really disturbing stuff.
joe rogan
Wow.
Tucker Carlson seems to believe that they've always been here.
He doesn't think they're coming here from another planet.
bob gymlan
I think that that might be more likely.
joe rogan
He thinks that they're in the Bible, that this is something that's a feature of human history, that people have always discussed these beings, these things that are with us.
And that somehow or another they're able to evade our detection on a regular basis.
However that is.
But he thinks they're like angels and devils.
bob gymlan
Well, I'm sure that's the words we used for them.
Have you read the angel description?
Like it's a wheel with 16 eyes or something?
joe rogan
That's Ezekiel.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
Like that's a bizarre way to describe an angel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know what he's describing.
bob gymlan
I think he's describing a craft and by eyes he means like sensors or something.
Like the translation got wonky.
joe rogan
That's the problem, right?
The problem is the translations.
First of all, you have to think that a lot of those stories were told for hundreds if not thousands of years before they were ever written down.
bob gymlan
Sure.
joe rogan
And then they're told and written down in Aramaic.
They're written down in ancient Hebrew.
And then they're translated.
They're translated to Greek, Roman, or Latin rather.
They're translated to English, French, German.
A lot is lost.
I mean, a lot is lost if you translate Russian to English today.
You know, like if you see a Russian...
I see a Russian post sometimes on Twitter and I'll hit translate.
And I'm like, oh, wacky.
It kind of puts it together.
You know, it kind of puts it together in a wacky way.
And that's common.
But that's a language that we're well aware of.
Millions of people speak Russian.
Millions of people speak English.
This is the best we could do.
bob gymlan
Right.
It's still the telephone game.
joe rogan
Yeah, still.
So now imagine...
A time with no science, no real understanding of what – the forces there at work in terms of like natural selection and all the different things, space and all the things that we're aware of today, the things that we do know.
And imagine these people are writing down these stories about the origins of humanity and the origins of mankind.
And I think there's some truth to what they're writing.
There's something to it.
I've always said that about the Big Bang.
Like, the beginning of the Bible, in the beginning there was light.
Boy, that sounds a lot like a Big Bang.
bob gymlan
Sure does.
joe rogan
If I was going to tell you the story of the Big Bang, and then you told other people for like a thousand years, and then finally somebody writes it down, what do you think that would look like?
Probably in the beginning there was light.
bob gymlan
What is it?
They say theologians need many miracles, evolution, Richard Dawkins type people only need one.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Big Bang.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
How did it happen?
But it just did.
And it created everything that we see.
And doesn't Sir Roger Penrose, doesn't he believe that that wasn't the beginning of the universe now?
I think Roger Penrose has a completely different...
Theory about that now.
Which is fascinating.
bob gymlan
My brain's not big enough for that stuff.
joe rogan
I don't think anyone's is.
That's part of the problem.
bob gymlan
But I acknowledge it, so I don't even care.
That doesn't interest me.
I'm too fascinated by the smaller level.
I don't need the overarching giant one.
joe rogan
I need it all.
bob gymlan
You need it all?
joe rogan
I need the overall—I mean, I'm just—it's all interesting to think about.
It's like occasionally I want to ponder how does this thing just expand to some insane point and then come back?
What was before the Big Bang?
The theory of Roger Penrose.
Attempt to answer the question, what was before the Big Bang, led last year's Nobel Prize winner Roger Penrose to an interesting cosmological concept in which our universe is just one link in an endless chain of predecessors and descendants.
I mean, why not?
Why not?
If there is a Big Bang, why not a series of them?
Why not an infinite number of different possibilities that these things could play out in?
bob gymlan
I mean, it's all theoretical, though.
joe rogan
Right.
It's part of the problem.
bob gymlan
I don't know.
It doesn't mean anything.
joe rogan
Right.
In terms of your real world.
bob gymlan
Right.
Well, I mean, everything means something.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, something.
But, yeah, I mean, you're basically just spinning your wheels, just like you're spinning your wheels thinking about aliens.
It's like, we're just kind of spinning our wheels.
bob gymlan
That's true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
That's true.
joe rogan
Until we're not.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Until they come.
That's the other theory, is that they're giving us a slow trickle of disclosure.
bob gymlan
Yeah, but why would they care?
joe rogan
So that we get accustomed to it.
So civilization doesn't collapse, so the stock market doesn't crash, so that we don't, you know, pick off World War III. Did you mean humans are giving us a slow trickle?
bob gymlan
Yes, that's what I mean.
That's fair.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, have you ever read any of Diana Posolka's work?
Very interesting.
And she's a religious scholar.
And her take on this is very similar to what Tucker Carlson's saying.
And one of the things that she said with talking to people, especially Gary Nolan from Stanford, these people that have examined materials, that these materials, like whatever the fuck this stuff is made out of, is not something that we make.
We can't make it.
Or if we did make it, it would cost...
Hundreds of billions of dollars or some, whatever the number is, some insane amount of money to create these composites, whatever their metallurgy examinations of this stuff is.
And that they describe these things as donations.
These crashed crafts, like a donation.
Like that this race of super intelligent beings, hey, figure this out.
Like, you know, you leave a 57 Camaro in the fucking, or a 57 Chevy in a parking lot somewhere, and then people stumble upon it and go, what is this?
unidentified
What is it?
joe rogan
How is it?
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
Is it a tire?
Oh, if you get wheels and tires, oh, I can't get it to roll.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, the engine fires.
It spins this thing that is the transmission that causes the wheels to...
We can make one of these.
And that's what they do.
And this is the Bob Lazar thing.
Like, Bob Lazar said that one of the, in this, all these classified documents that related to these UFOs, he said one of them, they said, was from an archaeological dig.
unidentified
Allegedly.
joe rogan
That's the problem, right?
It's all nonsense.
We're sitting here just wasting time.
We can be very productive with our lives.
Instead we're talking about UFOs.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
I mean, you're doing alright, I think.
joe rogan
What else are you making videos about?
Anything interesting you got coming up?
bob gymlan
I'm doing sharks, because sharks are cool.
Who doesn't love sharks?
I'm doing a dream.
joe rogan
A dream one?
bob gymlan
Yeah, about a dream I had.
Oh, no.
Lanky Gray Aliens, but I finished that one already.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw that one today.
Yeah.
bob gymlan
Did you watch it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is that your dream?
bob gymlan
Yeah, that was me.
joe rogan
So you've had this recurring dream of Lanky Gray Aliens?
bob gymlan
No.
Lanky Gray Aliens are just like a figment of my imagination.
Like, you know boogeymen that kids have that's just in your liminal...
Is that the word?
joe rogan
Liminal?
unidentified
Subliminal?
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Oh, liminal?
bob gymlan
Liminal space.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bob gymlan
Like, if there's, like, did you have a basement when you were a kid?
joe rogan
Yes.
bob gymlan
Okay.
Did you ever have to, like, turn the switch off somewhere and then go up the stairs?
joe rogan
No.
bob gymlan
Okay, well, I had that.
And then, like, when it's the fear of where you can't see.
joe rogan
Right.
bob gymlan
And I think everyone has a distinct thing that their brain imagines that's pretty terrifying.
Mine were always lanky gray aliens.
joe rogan
But if it's always this one thing...
bob gymlan
Yeah, isn't that weird?
joe rogan
If you wonder, if these people are saying that their memories are erased, and then you do have an encounter, or you do have a sighting of a thing...
bob gymlan
So I never gave that any thought whatsoever until I saw Gary Nolan's...
That's his name, right?
His talk on Channel 7 News or something?
And he described this electric feeling that he experienced after something.
This is how you connect, is what he said.
And that's literally the only thing of that entire video that ever, that made me like, ugh.
Because I remember that I had this weird, weird-ass dream about a gray.
And then after that dream, I was just like, I remember feeling very electric.
I am not saying that I had an alien encounter.
I'm not.
I'm truly not.
But that did give me pause.
Excuse me.
I keep burping.
It's really embarrassing.
joe rogan
But it's interesting to me that these things always happen while people are sleeping, or they always happen at night, which is when the dream state happens.
And like, so what is the dream state?
Dreams are bizarre.
Like, we have this very realistic thing that we're experiencing that we don't really understand.
And we sort of just accept that we have this wild, imaginary experience that seems realistic.
And you wake up, you're like, oh my god, I can't believe this dream that I had.
It's so nutty.
What is that like what is this thing this different than any other sort of imaginary thing that you experience in your life all the imaginary things that you experience in your life are like They're easily written off for the most part, but dreams seem Hyper realistic sometimes they sure do and you have to remember.
Oh, this is a dream I had one last night where I woke up and I was like, oh, it's a dream like what the fuck is that about how weird and They seem like real experiences while they're happening.
And if you're having dreams that seem like real experiences and they're recurring and they're involving extraterrestrials and you've had this sighting and there is this understanding that they could manipulate what you remember and don't remember, You can kind of mindfuck yourself into thinking you're getting abducted.
bob gymlan
That's why I don't think I was.
Because to think that you were, or to think that you have been abducted is, I feel like...
It's strange.
Because I don't feel like I've been abducted.
I don't feel like a weirdo.
joe rogan
I feel like you've been abducted.
bob gymlan
Do you?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's just fun to say.
bob gymlan
It is.
It is.
But...
Yeah, I don't know.
So if there are people who are like suggestible and think they've been abducted, then what I am describing is a good case study in that.
joe rogan
I think that's a factor for sure.
Well, that's a factor too with memories.
Like people can place memories into a person.
And also people can distort their own memories over time.
And then have this like very rigid memory of a thing and you have it completely wrong.
bob gymlan
That's very common, I'd imagine.
joe rogan
Very common.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Which is why the mind is such a bizarre thing in the first place.
Because it's how you formulate your view of reality, but it lies to you.
bob gymlan
Right.
Well, but they're hopefully useful lies.
joe rogan
Yeah, hopefully, but sometimes not.
Sometimes people have a very bad version of themselves from memories.
Maybe they have a lot of self-hate or a lot of self-doubt, and then they connect these memories to themselves and they distort themselves and make themselves even worse.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, so hopefully it's beneficial, but sometimes it's not.
bob gymlan
Well, it has to exist from an evolutionary perspective, I'd imagine.
That serves a purpose.
That's not random.
joe rogan
Probably, right?
bob gymlan
If you're remembering yourself as doing something obnoxious or stupid, that's because the essence of you doing that is true.
And now you're ideally supposed to overcorrect or supposed to correct that.
joe rogan
Right, right.
It's a lesson that you can learn from that.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bob gymlan
But you're right.
If it just cripples you emotionally, it doesn't do any good.
joe rogan
Well, it's just fascinating that this animal, this calculating animal, it's like constantly forming images of what's real and what's not real.
And, you know, what it is and it's looking at itself in some sort of a strange way and trying to examine how it fits into the world.
bob gymlan
Which is impossible for it to do.
Right.
So it's like an exercise of torture.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And yet we all engage in it.
bob gymlan
Constantly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Any other things you're working on before we wrap this up?
bob gymlan
No.
I'm trying to get a book published.
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
bob gymlan
On what?
It's a novel, so all my subscribers would hate it.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
bob gymlan
I do.
joe rogan
Why do you think they'd hate it?
bob gymlan
Because it's not about Bigfoot or anything.
joe rogan
What's it about?
bob gymlan
Well, it's high fantasy.
joe rogan
High fantasy?
bob gymlan
High fantasy.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
bob gymlan
Wizards, knights, Lord of the Rings type stuff.
joe rogan
That sounds fun.
People love that shit.
bob gymlan
Yeah, but there are two protagonists who are gay, because I am gay.
So there's that, and I don't think that'll...
There's plenty of gay people.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's plenty of people that don't care if someone's gay.
Why would that be bad?
Don't look at it all negative.
bob gymlan
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
Look, man, sounds like fun.
Look, people love those kind of fantasy-type books.
Think about The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones.
People love that shit.
bob gymlan
All the agents, they want magical realism.
joe rogan
Magical realism?
bob gymlan
Magical realism.
joe rogan
What is that?
bob gymlan
That'd be like Twilight, when magic ingrains in the real world.
joe rogan
Oh, that's interesting.
Magical realism.
bob gymlan
Which is an oxymoron.
joe rogan
So instead of a fantasy world like Lord of the Rings, they want it in the modern world, a realistic modern world, but with magic.
bob gymlan
Correct.
joe rogan
Fuck them.
bob gymlan
Even though none of the big sellers of all time are that way.
Well, a few of them are.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But just the weird gatekeepers.
It's almost like you should write it on your own and not even talk about it, and then get it to where you're done with it, and then just try to pitch it.
bob gymlan
Right.
joe rogan
Well, don't let anybody...
bob gymlan
I have been pitching it.
joe rogan
Oh, you have?
Are you done?
bob gymlan
Oh, yeah.
I'm done, and I've got it proofread by...
Yeah, I paid for an editor and all that good stuff.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So you self-published the whole thing.
bob gymlan
No, it's not published.
joe rogan
Self-wrote the whole thing and did it all yourself without a deal.
bob gymlan
Yes, correct.
joe rogan
I mean, a lot of times people get contracted.
bob gymlan
Yeah, no.
But I gave up because it was like every day I was getting an email back from someone telling me my kid was ugly.
And I couldn't do it and it was just too depressing.
joe rogan
Well, maybe you should self-publish.
There's a lot of people publish things just on Amazon, right?
bob gymlan
I have pride.
joe rogan
Oh, you need to be with a legit publisher?
bob gymlan
I do.
I would rather wait.
I'm actually very young by publishing standards.
joe rogan
How old are you?
bob gymlan
33. Oh, wow.
joe rogan
So you've been doing this YouTube page for a long-ass time.
So you're like 21, 22?
bob gymlan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's cool, man.
bob gymlan
Yeah, it is cool.
And I had other jobs most of the time.
I only recently started doing the channel full-time.
joe rogan
Oh, so now it's your full-time gig?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How recent?
bob gymlan
Like two years ago.
joe rogan
So you basically like get ad revenue and stuff like that.
Well, it's very good, dude.
It's fun.
It's really fun.
Like I said, it makes me feel like old-timey radio, you know, like I'm hearing this spooky story.
I've listened to quite a few of them actually in my car.
You know, where it's just like you have all the animations and like the Bigfoot one I listened to in my car.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
The one where I was reaching in and hitting the light switch and the laugh.
It's fun.
bob gymlan
It is.
joe rogan
It's fun stuff, man.
bob gymlan
It's scary.
joe rogan
Tell everybody your YouTube channel so they can find you.
bob gymlan
My channel name is Bob Gimlin.
B-O-B-G-Y-M-L-A-N. Okay.
joe rogan
And do you have Instagram or nothing?
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Good for you!
bob gymlan
I don't want it either.
joe rogan
Good for you!
bob gymlan
No.
joe rogan
Good for you, man.
That's rare amongst young people.
bob gymlan
I just want to make my videos and that's it.
joe rogan
Good.
Don't read the comments either.
bob gymlan
I do.
I do all the time.
It's so depressing.
joe rogan
You don't need to read them.
How many subscribers do you have now?
I think 239. Yeah, once you get over 100,000, you gotta stop reading them.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Too many humans.
Too many humans.
Too many opinions.
Too many crazy people.
Too many mind viruses that can get into your head.
bob gymlan
They get you.
joe rogan
I enjoy it, though.
I think your channel's very good.
It's very interesting.
I like your calm voice through the whole thing.
bob gymlan
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's really good, dude.
unidentified
Cool.
joe rogan
Good stuff.
So thanks for being here.
Appreciate it.
Good luck.
Best of luck in the future.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
And good luck with your book.
bob gymlan
Thank you.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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