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July 30, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2182 - Michael Malice
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joe rogan
I have to announce, because Netflix is making me announce this, that I have a Netflix special that's live Saturday night from San Antonio.
michael malice
Oh.
joe rogan
So it's going to be live all over the world.
michael malice
I'm going to see you tomorrow.
joe rogan
Oh, yay!
Oh yeah, we're coming.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
michael malice
It's going to be a lot of fun.
I've seen your set.
It's really funny.
joe rogan
It's tight now.
It's good.
It's like I'm very happy with it.
michael malice
How long has it been since you dropped the special?
joe rogan
Six years.
unidentified
Seriously?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was ready to do one in August of 2020 when the shit went down.
So when the shit went down with the COVID stuff, I was preparing.
So that was like March, right?
I was preparing to do one in August.
And then I didn't do stand-up for like eight months.
And then we started doing stand-up out here again.
And then I started changing a lot of bits and moving stuff around.
And I'm like, I don't want to do one right now.
And I sort of just really enjoyed fucking around and just doing comedy for doing comedy, you know?
And then doing it at the club.
And when the club opened, it was just so much fun.
It's just such a fucking joy to be there all the time.
I get anxious to get back there.
I can't wait.
michael malice
I was there opening night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
And I was there with my protege, Trey.
We're in the green room.
And I'm very much like, okay, this isn't your house.
Be respectful of this space, you know?
Because I'm not a comic.
Tim Dillon's there who I'm pals with.
Ron White.
Oh my god, Ron White.
Tony, you know, the crew.
And then I hear the voice and Roseanne walks in.
Right?
And I'm like, oh fucking shit.
And I'm like, alright, keep it cool.
unidentified
And I hear her say, yeah, when you get to be my age, you either have diarrhea or you're constipated.
So when I was on...
Tucker Carlson, my son's like, Mom, you've never been more personable.
I go, yeah, that's because I shit myself.
And I'm sitting there.
I'm like, okay, here's your opening.
michael malice
And I go, you stole that line from the president.
unidentified
And she goes, what?
No, who said that?
Like her head's swiveling around.
michael malice
And then I'm talking to her.
joe rogan
She didn't know you?
michael malice
Of course she didn't know me.
You know, she's a boomer, right?
So I'm sitting there.
And the thing is...
Look, you hang out with, like, part of your act.
You hang out with Elon.
You hang out with, like, these major figures.
Who do I get?
I'm like the Make-A-Wish kid who's got a cold, and they're like, we can get you Dave Smith.
Maybe Lex Friedman, right?
So I'm chatting with her, and she's going on about how there's the Book of Esther, which is a Jewish story from the Old Testament.
It's a story of Purim, which I learned when I was in yeshiva.
And she's going on about Vashti's.
One of the characters is trans.
And she's got a dick.
unidentified
And they didn't teach us this in school, I assure you.
She's like, you didn't know Vashti was trans?
And I'm sitting there.
michael malice
I'm trying to keep up with her.
I don't know what the hell she's talking about.
joe rogan
She's off the rails.
michael malice
But the whole time I'm like, holy shit, Roseanne is yelling at me.
joe rogan
One of my favorite videos from the store, you find it on my Instagram, Jamie, of Roseanne dancing.
She's smoking a cigarette and dancing while the get it together bitch sign is illuminated in the background.
It's such a fucking great video.
michael malice
I've been hanging out with her and it's like one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me.
joe rogan
Oh, she's such a character.
michael malice
Yeah, because the thing is, if I make her laugh, it's like the show.
But if I don't make her laugh and she yells at me, well, Roseanne's yelling at me, which is also a win.
joe rogan
She believes some crazy stuff, but she's open to be informed.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
If you tell her that this is actually what's going on.
She doesn't dig her heels in.
I try to explain to her contrails.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That they probably do spray things in the air.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
It probably does happen.
But that's not what you're seeing all the time.
What you're seeing all the time is a hot jet engine and counting...
Encounter condensation.
It literally creates clouds.
It's a physical effect.
You can recreate it over and over and over again.
That doesn't mean that people don't spray shit in the sky, and it doesn't mean that they haven't experimented with things.
Because they're already talking to you about experimenting with weather modification.
First of all, they have some data.
And some data that they have is actually from 9-11 because of the contrails.
So the contrails, when they stopped being a thing because they shut the entire air travel system down in the United States for how long was it?
A couple of days, right?
michael malice
Yeah, it was more than that, don't you think?
joe rogan
Yeah, it might have been a week.
michael malice
How long did they shut the air for?
It was a while.
joe rogan
So what happened was the Earth's temperature actually increased.
The temperature in the United States increased by a measurable amount, right?
So it's very small, but it's measurable, and it's because there's no clouds.
So those clouds that those planes create by flying overhead all the time, those things are consistently blocking out the Sun to the point where it actually changes the temperature of the Earth.
So one of the things they found out about I don't know if it was NATO, whoever it was, imposed new environmental restrictions on these giant cargo ships.
Once they did that, they found that the surface temperature of the ocean actually increased because they weren't blowing pollution over the ocean so much so that it creates like a foggy haze that actually measurably blocks the amount of sunlight that goes through it.
Like in trying to cool the ocean by decreasing our carbon footprint, they actually increase the surface temperature of the ocean.
michael malice
That also gets to the whole thing about how it's not necessarily a bad thing if temperature increases because there's more life at the equator than at the poles.
And it's not necessarily bad if you're going to get things slightly warmer and maybe it's the speed that's the issue, but they never even take that into consideration.
As long as there's any change, it can only be for the worse.
joe rogan
Well, it's also a business.
This is where we have to be really careful with this stuff because I'm very environmentally conscious.
I love wilderness and earth and the ocean.
I love all these things.
There's a bunch of things that we should address as human beings.
The biggest one, unfortunately, is that we've decimated all fish life in the ocean.
Somewhere in the neighborhood of 94%, is that what it is?
What's the number of 94?
I think it's 94% of all big fish are missing from the ocean.
The differences between the numbers of 100 years ago versus today, it's down 94%.
michael malice
Wait, hold on.
What do you mean by big fish?
Do you mean like whale sharks?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Like tuna, fish that we eat.
michael malice
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, all the swordfish, all these different fish that we commercially capture.
Those things are decimated.
Just decimated.
It's a fucking disaster.
michael malice
And it's not a lot of these...
joe rogan
90%.
michael malice
Wow.
joe rogan
90% a larger fish in the ocean are gone.
We take through overfishing, unsustainable overfishing.
So the real fear is that if we keep going like this for another hundred years, there's nothing left.
And it's very difficult to impose these restrictions on these boats that are in the middle of the ocean that are from other countries.
michael malice
Well, the other issue is bycatch, where, like, you're killing a lot of things that you didn't really want to have captured.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
You remove the predators, then the prey explode in population like with deer, and then everyone's front lawn, and that's a whole cascade effect there.
That 90% number seems – because how would they have had that data 100 years ago, though?
joe rogan
Well, fish markets, right?
So if you talk to anybody who's a sushi chef that's ever been to the famous fish markets in Tokyo, they're so amazing that – I was only in Tokyo for two days.
I had just flown in.
We did the weigh-ins.
I was out of it.
I was like, God, I should get up at 5 in the morning and go to the fish market, and I didn't do it.
I'm fucking kicking myself.
It's supposed to be incredible.
michael malice
I was just there.
Oh, really?
I came here to yell at you.
unidentified
Oh.
michael malice
No, I'm not even kidding.
No, no, no.
You know the guy who goes to Japan once and is like, you've got to go to Japan?
That's me.
joe rogan
I've been to Japan.
Unfortunately, I was there very briefly.
michael malice
But that's not going to Japan.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was beautiful, though.
I loved it.
I loved the audience.
The audience at the fights were so respectful and they were so knowledgeable.
Like if someone passed guard, everyone would clap.
I was like, wow, this is wild!
michael malice
I was really angry at all the misconceptions that I was taught about Japan and Japanese people.
Like, I thought that everyone would be like a robot.
They were great sense of humor, very friendly, and the thing that they have there that we don't have here is, like, everyone really takes pride in what they do.
And you see it in just regular stores and things like that, restaurants.
They love their country.
joe rogan
Do you know who Sakuraba is?
michael malice
Isn't he a fighter?
joe rogan
Yes.
Legendary fighter who used to smoke cigarettes and drink constantly and he beat everybody.
He was one of the greatest of all time.
He's an incredible, incredible fighter and mostly fought people way bigger than him.
Way bigger than him.
He fought a lot of absolute killers.
And he is one of the funniest guys in all of combat sports.
He's always got this great sense of humor.
He's always joking around with people.
There's all these videos of him joking around with fighters.
He's a sweetheart of a guy, and he's Japanese.
michael malice
Yeah, I went to Numazu, which is this little port town.
And it looked like something out of Lovecraft because it's clearly declining.
So you go down the main street all the way to the sea and everything is closed, all boarded up.
Because that's the world's only deep-sea aquarium.
And I'm into that very much.
And I'm like, all right, we've got to go to Nemazu when we're there.
joe rogan
How do they do it?
How does a deep-sea aquarium work?
How deep does the water get?
michael malice
Well, the thing is the fish...
I guess they're caught with bycatch because the issue is the pressure, right?
You bring them up, their eyes explode, their stomachs explode.
I don't know how they had the things that they had in those tanks.
Like the tanks are not pressurized.
It's not possible.
But they had a lot of insanely cool shit there.
joe rogan
So do the fish adapt, do you think?
michael malice
Maybe these are fish that...
But no, some of the batfish are like...
Some fish vertically migrate, right?
joe rogan
Have you ever been to the one that's in the Mandalay Bay?
In Vegas?
michael malice
No, I don't think I have.
joe rogan
It's fucking incredible.
michael malice
But it's not like this.
This is the only one.
This is the only one on Earth.
joe rogan
The one in Mandalay Bay is sharks.
Holy shit, look at that thing.
michael malice
That's a coelacanth.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the one that they thought was extinct.
michael malice
Right, for what, 65 million years.
So it's just an amazing, amazing place.
And the thing is, right around the corner...
It was so cool.
joe rogan
What a cool fish that is.
That is an old-ass fish.
michael malice
Yeah, because it's...
joe rogan
That fish is from, like, the beginning of life.
michael malice
And they've got lobed fins.
There's only two fish that still have lobed fins.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
michael malice
You can see how there's, like, an arm...
joe rogan
Oh, like, it has bones to stick out.
michael malice
Yeah, the fin doesn't attach directly to the body.
There's, like, a lobe.
So them and lungfish are the only ones who have that anymore.
joe rogan
The coelacanth, I think it has bones in there because, like...
You know, there's a lot of these animals.
One of the weirdest ones is, like, there was an animal that became a whale, and it was a land animal.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
You know about that one?
michael malice
Of course.
It was like a hippo kind of thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, weird fucking looking thing.
And that thing became a whale.
And it was a carnivore.
michael malice
Yeah.
Well, whales are carnivores.
joe rogan
I know, which is nuts, right?
But they kind of are.
They're sweet about it.
They only eat the little bitch-ass creatures.
michael malice
Not the sperm whales.
joe rogan
What do they eat?
michael malice
Giant squid.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
michael malice
And they shoot sonic waves and, like, boil the water.
joe rogan
What?
michael malice
Yeah, sperm whales...
joe rogan
Sonic waves and they boil the water, really?
michael malice
Like a sperm whale can kill you by just vibrating, like there was a diver who was with him and they can fuck you up really bad.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
No shit!
michael malice
Oh yeah, because they're, what, they're like, what, 80 feet?
Yeah, they're huge.
And their entire, like, bulbous nose is to have this...
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Acoustic Prey Debilitation Hypothesis, or the Big Bang Theory, the theory states that sperm whales can produce ultrasonic noises that are too high in frequency for humans to hear, and that these sounds can create shock waves that could injure prey.
However, some studies have not found evidence to support this theory.
unidentified
Can you show more?
michael malice
There was a diver who had it happen, like this was part of Blue Planet or one of those BBC shows.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it kind of makes sense.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, especially when you look at the size of their mouth and the noises they make.
How cool is that?
michael malice
I have a sperm whale tooth for my shaving brush.
joe rogan
And how wild is that?
That fucking thing breathes air.
And that thing used to be on land.
And it's like, meh.
I'm gonna go hang out here and change everything.
michael malice
There's that meme about the fish went to the land and you evolved to go back to the sea, but you're not as good as you were before because you don't have gills.
Then you become a penguin.
It's a whole thing that you can't do either.
It's a whole thing.
No, but it's...
So the thing I want to talk about Numazoo...
There was this little sushi place that I spent 15 minutes looking up this place because I want to give the guy a shout out called Iriichi.
I-R-I-I-C-H-I. It's in Japanese in Google Maps.
And it's just a dude and two tables and he's been there for 30 years.
And he goes to the fish market.
He marinades the fish.
It was one of the best...
Experiences of my life.
But they were having so much fun.
The waitress, you know, it's like him and the waitress.
And she's got her, like, broken English.
She goes, every morning he goes to fish market.
Serious face.
Serious face.
And picks out the fish.
And he was delighted to be like, try my food.
Like, he puts joy into his work.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You saw Jiro dreams of sushi, right?
michael malice
Well, I put in my phone, I like you better than Jiro.
unidentified
And he lost it.
joe rogan
Well, Jiro's probably like the guy now where all the other, like, sort of incognito sushi places that are legendary, they're like, hey, what the fuck?
michael malice
I think Jiro, the thing, Jiro seems like it wouldn't be fun.
It feels like you're taking a test.
joe rogan
Because he's so serious about it?
michael malice
Because he's so serious, yeah.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
So this guy was more fun.
michael malice
Yeah, and the thing I found is a lot of these high-end places, you should know this better than I do, they're not all stuffy.
A lot of times they know how to have a good time.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Do you know Wagyu Mafia?
michael malice
Where's that?
No.
joe rogan
Okay, Wagyu Mafia is a Tokyo establishment, and they did a pop-in in Austin at Pasta Bar.
So Pasta Bar, do you know Philip Franklin Lee?
He's the guy that owns sushi.
He started here with...
Sushi bar.
And then it became...
He branched out into his own thing, which is sushi by scratch.
And he also does this other thing in town called pasta bar.
And at pasta bar, they brought in this Wagyu Mafia guy.
And they, like, put on a fucking show.
Like, this is...
michael malice
But it's fun.
Look, they're smiling, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
Everyone's having a good time.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It was so fun.
It was so silly.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything was silly.
They feed you sometimes.
And it's like they blow gold dust all over the air.
It's not stuffy at all.
So he's, like, the complete opposite of Giro Dreams of Sushi, but insane experience.
michael malice
But Jiro's not with Japan.
I thought Japan was going to be like Jiro and it wasn't.
joe rogan
Dude's making swords.
michael malice
Like if I don't like the food, he just stabs himself in the stomach.
joe rogan
No, but like dudes fucking hammering out swords.
That's what I think about.
I think about the craftsmanship and the seriousness.
michael malice
But the economics of the place, I don't understand, because they have these big office buildings, like in Herald Square in New York.
And it'll be like 13 floors, and each floor has like six rooms.
You can take an elevator, and it's a guy, no windows, two tables, and a bar.
And I grew up on role-playing games.
It's like the guy in the armor shop.
He's always there.
I don't know what his life is, but he takes pride in his cocktails.
There's just room for five people.
I don't know how he stays in business, but there's hundreds of them.
The thing that angered me as a former New Yorker, you're out at night, everyone's out in the streets, everyone's plastered, everyone's having fun, and it's perfectly safe.
So when you look at New York and San Fran and L.A., this is completely on purpose.
It does not have to be this way.
It was such a great time.
joe rogan
Is it on purpose or is it neglect that no one steps in to correct?
michael malice
If you're arresting someone 30 times and putting them back on the street, that's on purpose.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But that's the officer that's doing that.
michael malice
No, it's not the officer.
joe rogan
The police department and the prosecutor and the district attorney.
But then there's the politicians that are in control of these areas, and then there's a tone that these areas have that's being controlled by the district attorney, by how they prosecute things, and all of this is all very, very political.
So that's the part that looks like you guys want it to be like that, because you're not course-correcting at all.
But I feel like at this stage, It's gotten...
It's so pervasive.
Like, the places where there's crime and violence are so bad, and they've been that way for so fucking long.
Like, it would take a monumental effort that we just aren't capable of doing.
Like, we don't have $175 billion to fix all...
Oh, wait a minute.
We just gave all that money to Ukraine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, wait, we could have fixed it.
michael malice
Yes, very easily.
joe rogan
That's the dumbest part of the argument.
We don't have the resources for it, but we have all these resources for all these other things.
michael malice
And it's a small percent of people causing all the problems, like a Pareto effect, was like 20% of people caused 80% of the problems.
It's not like everyone in New York's a criminal.
joe rogan
No.
No, it's a lot of career criminals in New York.
A lot of people that do the break-ins in the cars and stuff like that, they get arrested all the time.
michael malice
What was that guy, Jordan Neely, who tried to kidnap a girl, he punched an old lady in the face for no reason, broke her orbital socket, the one who was killed on the subway by that good Samaritan.
It's like, you punch an old lady in the face and break her orbital socket for no reason once, that's a wrap.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That guy, he was prosecuted or he's been charged.
Has he gone through the whole trial?
michael malice
I don't think he has at all.
He should be mayor.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is the guy that choked the guy to death.
Looks like he got him in a rear naked choke and didn't let go.
What was the cause of death?
Did the guy have a heart attack?
michael malice
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Because a lot of times...
michael malice
Rear naked is hard to kill somebody.
You've got to really hold on for a long time.
joe rogan
You've got to hold on for quite a while.
But you can have a heart attack if someone's choking you.
michael malice
And you'll feel it.
The guy will get loose.
You know he's out.
joe rogan
You remember the Eric Gardner case?
michael malice
Of course.
joe rogan
That one made me sick.
michael malice
The only person who went to jail was the photographer.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so crazy.
Why'd he go to jail?
michael malice
I don't remember what they got him for.
But the cops had barely any consequences.
The guy died for no reason.
joe rogan
No, the guy was just selling loose cigarettes.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
I knew a dude who knew him.
michael malice
It's horrific.
joe rogan
It's horrific, and it's also, it's like, they try to pretend that wasn't a choke.
Like, come on, man.
You know how to choke people.
michael malice
But even if it was...
joe rogan
You choked him.
michael malice
He's selling cigarettes.
Calm down.
joe rogan
Loose cigarettes.
It's nothing.
And it's like, what is it?
It's interfering with the business next to it where he buys the cigarettes?
What are you going to do?
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
You know, isn't there worse problems in this fucking world?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
There's some guy who's an entrepreneur.
You don't have to buy the cigarettes from that guy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You don't have to.
michael malice
And he wasn't in the store.
joe rogan
He's just selling loose cigarettes.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
Like, if somebody doesn't have enough money for a pack of cigarettes, but they have enough money for two cigarettes, this guy will sell them two cigarettes.
michael malice
And I also think it's insane to make cigarettes more expensive on purpose to screw with poor people.
joe rogan
They do?
michael malice
That's the point.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
michael malice
The syntaxes, yes.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
michael malice
They want to make it really hard to buy cigarettes.
joe rogan
Well, it's just they just know that people are hooked and they can just steal money from you.
That's really what it is.
They know you're hooked on cigarettes.
michael malice
No, no, no.
It's not the tobacco companies that are selling these prices.
It's the government's.
They want it as expensive as possible because the idea, like Bloomberg says, is so it's harder for people to commit to this habit.
joe rogan
Oh, that's interesting.
I think that's a nice excuse for we know they are going to keep buying cigarettes.
I don't think it's an excuse at all.
michael malice
This is the guy who banned Big Gulps.
joe rogan
Do you think he banned Big Gulps because of insurance companies?
michael malice
No, I think he banned Big Gulps because he's a goody two-shoes and thinks he knows best for everybody.
joe rogan
But when I hear things like that, I'm always like, okay, what's the financial incentive behind that?
Because insurance companies could be like, you know what, people are dying all the time, and one of the big causes is obesity.
And one of the big problems with obesity is people drink Big Gulps.
This is why they made seatbelt laws.
They didn't make seatbelt laws to make a safe.
They make seatbelt laws because of insurance companies.
michael malice
No, I thought you meant they're going to say they may see a bit lost because fatties can't fit into them to wipe out the fatties.
I'm like, all right, there's a eugenics thing going on here.
I can see it.
joe rogan
No.
I mean, if they're trying to outlaw big gulps, I feel like, first of all, fuck you.
If I want a big gulp, I know it's bad for me.
You know, if you outlaw big gulps but you don't outlaw that Dunkin Donuts blizzard thing, you know that one?
michael malice
Oh god, was it like 1500 calories?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's probably like thousands, but it's 186 grams of sugar.
Is that what it is?
What is the...
It's so crazy.
There's a dude who did a YouTube video and he shows the actual sugar that's in the drink next to the drink.
It's fucking half sugar, man.
michael malice
It's like three Big Macs.
And you think because you're drinking it, it can't be that bad.
That's the thing.
joe rogan
Big Macs are way better for you.
michael malice
Yes, which is crazy.
joe rogan
Big Macs are fucking grass-fed meat.
michael malice
The thing that's insane is...
joe rogan
Fourteen donuts.
michael malice
I've had...
How's that even...
joe rogan
It's so crazy!
They just filled it up with sugar.
Jamie, see if you can find the video...
michael malice
A thousand calories.
joe rogan
It's only a thousand?
That's not the blizzard though, is it?
The blizzard's the big bad boy.
See if you can find the video of the guy showing the sugar content in the blizzard.
There's a video this dude does it online.
I think it's the one...
Yeah, that's it.
unidentified
Right there.
joe rogan
Look at all that fucking sugar!
181 grams of sugar.
unidentified
Nearly three-quarters of a two-liter bottle of coke.
Let's measure that.
joe rogan
Look at all this sugar!
Look, just imagine eating all that sugar in one session.
Holy fuck, that's bad for you.
michael malice
Holy, it's just bulking.
joe rogan
And dude, if you don't eat that way all the time, like I had a milkshake.
Like a big-ass chocolate milkshake.
I don't really do that most of the time.
And it was like I got hit with a tranquilizer dart.
I was like, oh my gosh!
michael malice
Well, for me, I have a big sweet tooth, but sometimes I might go on a binge and just eat bags of gummy candy.
I am wired.
joe rogan
Wired for how long, though?
michael malice
A while.
It's a while.
joe rogan
But you don't crash afterwards?
michael malice
No, I go to bed.
If I'm binging, it's right for bed.
I don't binge right in the day.
joe rogan
I've heard people say that, like eating a high-carb meal before bed.
I've heard people talk about doing that.
They eat a high-carb meal so that their insulin spikes and then they just fucking crash afterwards.
michael malice
I have sleep issues, so I feel bad for people who do.
joe rogan
It's a rough thing to have, man.
michael malice
I had Honey Smacks cereal, and the first ingredient is sugar.
And I'm thinking to myself, like, how are these being held together?
Because they don't look like sugar cubes.
joe rogan
It's mostly sugar.
michael malice
It looks like grains.
How is that even physically possible?
jamie vernon
They used to be called Sugar Smacks.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
michael malice
Sugar Bear was the name.
joe rogan
They're so good.
michael malice
And then Sugar Golden Crisp, whatever.
joe rogan
Well, we used to eat Frosted Flakes, and then we would put sugar on the Frosted Flakes.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Ugh.
michael malice
I eat Lucky Charms still.
They're really good.
joe rogan
It's fucking good, man.
unidentified
It's good.
joe rogan
It should be legal.
michael malice
And you mix it with your protein drinks.
That way you get your protein.
joe rogan
First of all, people need access to real food primarily.
But every now and then, a fucking blizzard from Dunkin' Donuts should be on the menu.
If you want to, you should be able to.
It's ridiculous.
But if you want to have a...
You know what I love?
Tiramisu.
That's my favorite dessert.
I fucking love it.
And if I'm stuffed, it's the end of the meal, and it's at an Italian place, and you open up the...
Oh, fucking tiramisu.
michael malice
But it's also kind of crazy, because, like, tiramisu, I love key lime pie.
joe rogan
I love key lime pie.
michael malice
I could have, like, three bags of candy.
Like, it looks like, because it's cake, you think, oh, it's not that bad for you.
joe rogan
Oh, it's filled with sugar.
michael malice
It's just...
It's insane.
joe rogan
Tiramisu is so much sugar.
But it's so good.
michael malice
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's so good.
Those lady fingers that are dipped in espresso.
michael malice
What about in all those steakhouses where their chocolate cake is like 1,500 calories a slice?
And I'm like, how are you doing this mathematically?
joe rogan
American steakhouses, like, they are trying to kill you.
They're trying to get you...
unidentified
Wait, raise the tinfoil hat!
joe rogan
They're trying to stuff you as much as possible.
And I mean it in the best possible way.
But if you go to, like, in town, like, say if you go to Eddie V's.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You go to Eddie V's and you get the lobster mashed potatoes.
You can't stop eating.
You cannot stop eating.
michael malice
They have the calorie counts at Eddie V's.
joe rogan
Do they?
michael malice
Which is useful.
joe rogan
Well, if I don't have glasses on, I can't read that shit.
They make it in little tiny numbers next to the food.
Get the fuck out of here.
But if you go to another country, they don't eat like us.
We eat like slobs.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
We have giant ass pizzas.
michael malice
That's why you should go to Japan.
joe rogan
Oh, very much more disciplined than us.
You don't see fat people as much.
michael malice
I had whale eight ways.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
unidentified
It was really whale?
joe rogan
Whoa, that's weird.
michael malice
Apparently whale is like a poor people food there.
joe rogan
Wow, but they're our homies.
Why are you eating our homies?
michael malice
Well, you're in Japan, you know?
Gotta do as the Japanese do.
joe rogan
I wonder how smart they really are.
unidentified
They're pretty smart.
joe rogan
People always say that whales are super smart.
But, you know, it's just because they can communicate.
We have a weird definition of intelligence, right?
Because we really favor things that can control their environment and change their environment, like build houses and structures.
michael malice
Not necessarily ants do that.
We don't think ants are smart.
unidentified
Yeah, but we do.
joe rogan
We do think they're smart.
michael malice
No, we don't.
joe rogan
We think they're smart in a weird way.
michael malice
Well, they're skilled.
joe rogan
It's not just they're skilled.
They know how to make these chambers that ferment leaves, like the leafcutter ants do.
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
I was just watching about them last night.
That's really creepy.
You brought that up.
joe rogan
Fucking incredible.
michael malice
There's a video about how did this evolve.
Because the fungus that's in the leafcutter ant colony is not the same species any longer as the fungus that's outside.
joe rogan
Right.
So intelligence is not the right word.
You're right.
The right word is capable of incredible order, and they have a pattern in their mind they follow.
Much like bees.
You don't have to teach bees how to make beehives.
They make beehives everywhere.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
All over the fucking place.
So they're making a structure.
michael malice
What is it?
There's some animal, is it the pufferfish, where they gave them, like, Ritalin?
Or they gave them, like, Lexapro, something, and the patterns all changed?
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
michael malice
Like they gave him some SSRI, something, whatever it was, and it changed how they, like spiderwebs maybe it was, and it changed how they made it.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
They definitely did that with spiderwebs.
I saw them, there was a bunch of different things they did with spiderwebs, and one of them they gave it LSD. Okay.
unidentified
They gave the spider LSD. The spider's like, wah!
I got eight legs and eight eyes.
joe rogan
He remembers when he was like a shitty shopkeeper.
michael malice
Oh yeah, there it is.
Thank you, Jay.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
So normal marijuana.
Marijuana sucks.
It's terrible.
Benzedrine.
michael malice
What's that an upper?
joe rogan
Benzedrine?
I don't know.
That's like a 70s thing.
That's not benzodiazepine, right?
Benzodiazepine is Xanax.
What's a benzadrine, Jamie?
Look at caffeine.
Caffeine's all over the place.
Chlorohydrate.
Who's getting high on chlorohydrate?
michael malice
What is chlorohydrate?
joe rogan
I have no idea.
What's chlorohydrate, Jamie?
michael malice
What's benzodrine?
joe rogan
How weird is it that they pick chlorohydrate?
You know, why wouldn't you pick alcohol?
michael malice
Well, you'd probably kill it, right?
joe rogan
Maybe, right?
Sedative?
Sedative.
Short-term treatment of insomnia.
michael malice
So is benzodrine an upper?
It must be.
Benzos, that's a thing from the 70s.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's benzodiazepine, though.
michael malice
It's an amphetamine, okay, yeah.
joe rogan
Benzedrine.
michael malice
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that's benzos, though.
What is a benzo?
michael malice
A benzo is an upper.
joe rogan
Is it?
I thought it was Xanax.
Because benzo...
michael malice
We're like school moms.
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's extra the diazes in there.
michael malice
Oh, the benzos are depressants.
That's interesting.
joe rogan
That's the Xanax.
So that's benzos when people say the term benzos?
michael malice
Or downers.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael malice
What's a black beauty?
Because that's what they all used to take in the 70s.
unidentified
I don't know.
Isn't that speed?
joe rogan
Isn't that speed?
michael malice
I think so.
joe rogan
A lot of guys took speed and played pool.
It was a big thing.
The guys would play on amphetamines.
michael malice
I know one time the Go-Go's took a bunch of downers and they had to perform sitting down in chairs.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what that means.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Allipsis sealed.
Black capsule.
michael malice
Okay, uppers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dextroamphetamine.
Yeah.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
These guys who would play pool on it, they said that makes them see angles better.
michael malice
Well, because it's like speed.
It's like Ritalin.
joe rogan
I've never done Ritalin either.
michael malice
No, but, or like an Adderall, excuse me.
joe rogan
I've never done Adderall.
michael malice
Neither have I, but you know people- I'm scared of it.
You're crazy focused.
joe rogan
I'm scared of that.
michael malice
Why are you scared of focus?
joe rogan
Well, the same reason why I don't do- I've never done cocaine.
michael malice
We've never done cocaine?
No.
Haven't been to Japan.
Haven't done cocaine.
joe rogan
First of all, sir, cocaine's illegal.
Son of a bitch.
Second of all, I think I'd like it.
michael malice
No, you wouldn't.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure I'd like it.
michael malice
No, you wouldn't.
Not to the extent that people ruin their lives.
joe rogan
Oh, I wouldn't ruin my life.
michael malice
It's the stupidest drug.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not really interested in ruining my life.
But I would recognize that this is probably a lot of fun.
michael malice
It's not.
joe rogan
But how come so many people say it is?
michael malice
I don't know.
It's not fun at all.
joe rogan
For you.
michael malice
It would not be fun for you.
I promise you.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard the Buck Cherry song, Cocaine?
All Lit Up?
You know that song?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
That song makes me want to do coke.
michael malice
The idea of coke is a lot...
joe rogan
Let's play this song.
jamie vernon
I was already on the way.
joe rogan
Okay.
I fucking love Buck Cherry.
There was a friend of mine told me a story.
He was in Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and the dude from Buck Cherry was there.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this model went on stage and she was telling her sober stories and she was saying, I was just doing coke and just fucking all these rock stars.
And he goes, Yeah!
Now again, this is second-hand.
I don't know if this is true, but I love these guys.
Come on.
That makes me want to do blow.
michael malice
I interviewed Belinda Carlyle from the Go-Go's because she was a coke head.
And I said, explain this to me.
Because if it's a rock star who's a dude, he's having coke orages with all these chicks.
You're a girl.
You're not having them run train on you.
Literally, what would you do?
And she said, I would go in my hotel room, take the phone off the hook, close the blinds, and pace like an animal.
And I go, oh, that sounds like a lot of fun.
She goes, oh yeah, it was a blast.
So when I tell you, you're not gonna like it.
It's like giving yourself a panic attack.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But some people love it.
michael malice
I know you well enough to tell you you're not going to like it.
joe rogan
Good, thank you.
Well, I wasn't going to try it anyway.
michael malice
Not even on a bucket list thing?
joe rogan
Nope.
For the same reason why I won't try Adderall.
That's different.
michael malice
Adderall you would like.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
michael malice
Because there's upsides.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Yeah, the productivity part.
michael malice
There's a lot of upsides, yeah.
And you're like, oh, shit.
Anything Adderall helps you understand.
I've never done it.
Helps you understand your brain better because you see yourself like, oh, this is how my brain's working and whatever.
Coke is just like you just wait and do more Coke.
And I'm not...
It's just, I don't get it.
joe rogan
Expand on that.
Like, so Adderall helps you know how your brain's working?
michael malice
You know how, like, when you're any kind of altered consciousness, you realize that your brain has a character of its own.
And, like, most people aren't introspective and just take their thoughts for granted, but people who, like, work with psychedelics, things like that, realize, okay, there's ways I can have different perceptions, different focuses, different senses of self in relation to the world, things like that.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
Adderall, from my understanding, it's like...
It's like that movie Limitless.
It's based on Adderall, right?
joe rogan
I thought that was based on that other shit.
New Vigil?
Yeah.
Pro Vigil and New Vigil.
michael malice
Maybe I'm wrong.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
michael malice
Point being, when you take it, you supposedly are super focused, but you realize, okay, I can fine-tune the speed of my thinking.
So that's fascinating that your brain has, like a bike, has different speeds, if I'm using that metaphor correctly.
joe rogan
I just know way too many people that enjoy it on a regular basis.
michael malice
Yeah, and I had a friend who got hooked on it, and she was like, this is bad.
joe rogan
It just seems to keep them going all day.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
High achievers.
michael malice
Right.
Coke doesn't do that.
joe rogan
A lot of journalists.
michael malice
And a lot of college kids now.
joe rogan
A lot of college kids.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
They used to be coke kids when we were kids.
Now they're on Adderall.
joe rogan
I've asked friends who've done it and gone on stage.
I said, never again.
Anybody's ever gone on stage on Adderall?
They're like, no.
michael malice
Really?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Yeah, not having fun.
Too tense.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just not silly.
michael malice
You're not loose.
You're wired.
You're clenching your jaw.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
You wouldn't like coke.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
I'm surprised you don't want to just try everything once.
What was that noise?
unidentified
I'm busy.
michael malice
I got a Netflix special coming out.
joe rogan
You can't try everything once because you'd be trying too many things.
unidentified
There's not that many.
joe rogan
And then you'd have to recover.
I have responsibilities.
But I do...
I do think that having all these things illegal or having most of them illegal is a fucking travesty.
michael malice
I agree with you as an anarchist, but then what happened in Portland or wherever Seattle it was was a real problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that also coincided with terrible leadership where the mayor was saying when they took over a giant swath of the city that it was the summer of love.
Remember that crazy shit?
Those people are retarded.
That whole philosophy up there is so stupid.
It's a suicide cult.
They legitimately are going to destroy their society.
And they're all like, yay, diversity.
They'll be waving their fucking pride flags as the city sinks into the ocean.
They're out of their fucking minds.
So you can't look at that place and say, this is what happens when you make drugs legal.
No, that's what happens when you make drugs legal in a place run by maniacs, a place run by people who think it's fine to have tents everywhere and give people money to shoot up and give them clean needles and give them money every month to stay homeless.
michael malice
I hear you, but my point is you and I both know a lot of people who are waiting for the psychedelics, right?
And if psychedelics become fully legal and corporations take over, there's going to be downsides.
joe rogan
I think if the corporations do the psychedelics, they'll probably have a different approach to how they interact with humanity.
If the CEOs and all these people realize, like, you are going to die, and if you're wasting all your time trying to squeeze as much money as humanly possible out of every person that interacts with your You're not living a harmonious life and it doesn't mean that you can't make a lot of money and sell things.
But you can make a lot of money and sell things with a psychedelic capitalist perspective where you're not trying to do evil.
You're just trying to be fair about it.
michael malice
I agree with everything you said.
unidentified
Oh, very utopian though.
michael malice
But I'm saying there's plenty of people who, if they start getting on these drugs and being introspective, they're not going to like what they see, and there's going to be a lot of things that come up, and it's not going to be an easy transition toward a better person for some of them.
joe rogan
Much harder to get a good burger.
unidentified
It's going to quit those jobs!
michael malice
I'm talking about like these corporate people.
joe rogan
I understand.
But even the corporate people.
michael malice
Look what they did with Housewives and all the speed that they were on.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, but that's the Housewives fault.
They liked it too much.
michael malice
Yeah, but they were told this is a diet pill.
joe rogan
Well, better that or a lobotomy.
Like we only have a few options back then.
michael malice
I don't think those were the two.
joe rogan
Mother's Little Helper, remember?
From Rolling Stone's song?
I mean, they stopped doing lobotomies in 67. So they were doing lobotomies for like 50 fucking years.
Scrambling people's brains.
michael malice
They did it to Rosemary Kennedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Didn't they do it because she was promiscuous?
michael malice
And also she was kind of a slow.
joe rogan
Oh.
michael malice
And the thing with the lobotomy, did you know about this?
You have to do it when the person's conscious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
So she had to count backwards and then she stopped being able to talk.
And then they pretended she's on sabbatical for 50 years.
And then they did the Special Olympics because they felt bad.
Evil, evil family.
joe rogan
Well, it's an evil practice, that thing that they would do for people when they had troubles.
michael malice
I love the idea...
It's just so insane that, like, there's no precision, really.
You're stabbing them in the...
joe rogan
Scrambling brains.
michael malice
And hoping you hit the right spot.
That's not a thing.
joe rogan
I think they're going to look at that the same way they look at...
The way they look at that now, they're going to look at sex chains for kids in the future.
michael malice
Yes.
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
They're going to look at all this...
michael malice
Munchausen's by proxy.
joe rogan
Whew.
Also, there's clearly like a mind virus.
And it is like a mind virus.
I mean, that term mind virus, it sounds like you shouldn't say that because a virus doesn't exist in the mind.
It's a different kind of thing than an actual biological virus, but it has the same function.
It really does.
michael malice
Ideas go viral.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do, right?
michael malice
That's the thing.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
The idea is going viral.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
The thing is, when you and I were kids, as dinosaurs, every girl or 90% of them had an eating disorder because she was uncomfortable.
Her body is changing, unwanted male attention.
Having that sense of control, it was very common.
A lot of people didn't grow out of it, but most of them did.
Now, if you're uncomfortable with your body, you're going to be shifted down in this direction in many such cases.
Carol Markowitz, who's a journalist, she was a neighbor of mine in Brooklyn, she said a majority of kids in her daughter's class were identifying as some variant of queer.
So she's like, I'm out of here.
I'm going to Florida.
joe rogan
So strange.
michael malice
Strange isn't the word.
joe rogan
But it is also strange.
michael malice
With eating disorders, you can get over it.
Right.
joe rogan
This is going to cause permanent damage to people.
michael malice
Did you see what this evil demon from the LA Times, there was a woman, a girl named Chloe Cole, who was a detransitioner.
joe rogan
I've heard of her.
michael malice
And they had this whole hit piece on her.
Oh no.
And how, oh, she's become beloved by the right.
It's like, this is someone telling their real, and she's not unique, telling her story about like, I wasn't old enough to make these decisions and I'm fucked for life.
I'm never gonna have sexual pleasure and my body's changed and I regret this enormously and I thought I wanted this and I was wrong.
And it's like, oh, there's just a hatchet piece.
I think I forgot the girl's name.
It's just horrible.
That's so cruel.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if it was instead the right that was promoting this, how the left would react?
michael malice
The right used to.
It was a conversion therapy.
This is their version.
joe rogan
Right.
Praying the gay away.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But not as extreme in the sense that you're not doing surgery on people, especially on children and giving them hormone blockers.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But imagine if the rights perspective was akin to Iran's perspective.
So in Iran, you have a very high number of transsexuals.
michael malice
By law.
joe rogan
Because it's illegal to be gay.
Now imagine if that was going on with the right here.
They're saying, no, you can't be gay, but you can be trans and you can become a woman.
And so they're encouraging it and then profiting off of it and then shaming anyone that detransitions like that person.
Imagine if that was all being done by the right.
People would think it's so fucking evil.
michael malice
The thing that's also crazy is that everyone who questions their gender is trans.
No one just has issues with their gender.
joe rogan
Not only that, there's a lot of data that shows that if you let them just leave them alone and let them go through puberty and become an adult, they usually become gay.
And then a lot of gay people are like, hey, this is homophobic.
This idea is homophobic.
Like, this idea that these people are actually in the wrong body.
Like, no, they're gay.
michael malice
And I also talk about this a lot.
There's this complete insane, insane pretense that taking hormones, even the hormones of your own gender, has no downside.
So if a male takes testosterone, he's not going to have any bad side effects.
If a female takes estrogen, there's no bad side effects.
When women are pregnant and their hormones are a mess, it's all upside.
But they pretend that like, oh, if we just give this person hormones, it's only going to be a good thing.
It's like there's a huge cost.
joe rogan
But the blockers, the blockers are the crazy thing.
Because they are literally chemical castration drugs that they would use for pedophiles.
It's the same drugs.
michael malice
But also, Joe, the lie that you can just start puberty later.
joe rogan
It's a lie.
Absolutely a lie.
You will be altered forever.
You will never develop.
michael malice
As I am proof, if your growth is stunted as a kid, you don't get to grow your full height later.
There's a window.
Same thing with learning language.
These kids who are feral and raised by wolves, they don't later become scholars.
They lose the capacity to speak correctly.
Right.
The brazen lies of, well, you could just start puberty later if that's what you feel like.
joe rogan
Again, imagine this coming from the right.
Imagine.
So this is why people are so weird.
Because...
michael malice
And why is this politicized?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
It is crazy.
michael malice
Why is it politicized?
If there's kids who have mental illness of some kind, let's get them help.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
And everyone's different.
joe rogan
Right.
Everyone's different.
And the solution isn't necessarily give a girl a mastectomy when she's 14. That seems insane.
michael malice
Do you know there's...
There's a new one called Neuter.
joe rogan
What?
michael malice
And they make you look like a Barbie or Ken doll.
unidentified
Oh, gosh.
michael malice
And Joe, you know why I winced?
Because you know it's here in Austin.
The clinic is here.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
michael malice
This is what happens when you're friends with Deborah So.
You learn about these things.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Really?
It's called Neuter?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many people have they done this to?
michael malice
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's here in Austin.
The guy's very proud of himself.
unidentified
Oh!
michael malice
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
God, that's so weird.
michael malice
No, it's very normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
michael malice
Yep.
joe rogan
So this is like when you go to visit the Coliseum and you're like, what happened to these people?
This is us.
This is us.
It's just we're very fortunate to be in the middle of it and watching it all play out.
michael malice
There's that meme of Jesus.
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
Matthew McConaughey.
joe rogan
Flood in the asteroid.
michael malice
Now he goes, flood it again.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
I saw it sending the asteroid.
I saw it the other day.
I guess there's a bunch of those.
Like, what the fuck, man?
michael malice
The thing is, the gaslighting is what bothers me.
joe rogan
Well, it all bothers me.
It all bothers me, the fragility of the human mind.
So, everybody forever was like, Kamala Harris is the worst vice president, she's the least popular vice president of all time, and then in a moment...
A moment in time, all of a sudden she's our solution.
She's our hero.
Everybody's with her.
All these social media posts about her.
Try Googling a negative story on her.
You won't find one.
unidentified
So...
joe rogan
Ta-da!
michael malice
You've got me started, Officer Harris.
So...
They've been doing this live for years.
So in 2019, our pal Tulsi...
Absolutely nuked her in that second debate.
And if you looked at charts at the time, she's kind of, Officer Harris is doing okay.
First debate, she comes out, Joe Biden, you're a racist.
The Democrats were looking for an alternative to Bernie Sanders that wasn't Biden.
She starts going up in the polls, right?
Second debate comes out, Tulsi, being a good Hawaiian, knows how to roast the pig.
This completely slams her.
Not only that, she has no counterpunch.
She goes on Anderson Cooper and she's like, well, I'm a top-tier candidate, so of course people are going to take shots at me.
That's her answer.
She immediately starts going down in the polls.
It's that day.
You can see it on the chart I have on my Twitter.
All the articles at the time, That did an autopsy on Kamala Harris' failed campaign, didn't mention Tulsi once.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
It was BBC, LA Times, Reuters, New Yorker.
A guy from the Washington Post just did a piece looking back on her campaign, didn't mention Tulsi either.
unidentified
Isn't that wild?
michael malice
They completely pretend it didn't happen.
joe rogan
Well, it just shows you that what they're looking for is not what they say they're looking for.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Because she is a strong woman.
She is a person who served overseas twice in a medical unit.
So she got to see people blown up by the war.
She was a congresswoman for eight years.
She is a person of color.
She's everything you want.
All those things you want.
And yet you don't want her.
michael malice
Because she's not for war.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, she's also just not willing to play ball.
There's a game that's being played.
And if you're like, hey, you're not supposed to fucking move the ball.
Like, oh, look at this bitch over here.
Like, get out of here.
You're going to fuck up our game.
It's not real democracy.
It's controlled parties.
michael malice
Did you see that piece by Seymour Hersh that dropped over the weekend about the coup?
joe rogan
Yes.
So explain to people what Seymour Hersh...
I don't know if he's right, but he seems to be right a lot.
And he was right about the Nord Stream pipeline, right?
michael malice
So what I was saying and a lot of other people were saying is the big issue is how do you get Biden out of the White House?
So here's Biden's case.
He's like, look, I got Trump out of the White House last time.
I'm only behind two or three points in the polls.
Kamala's polling worse than me in like eight out of 10 polls.
I won these delegates.
Why the hell should I back down?
And that's a very solid case.
So Jill, for the first time in her life, people care about her.
She matters.
As Hunter put it, I have it exactly here, she's a selfish, silly, entitled cunt.
That was how Hunter described her.
unidentified
Whoa.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, we have the text.
And then all the public pressure, Biden, you got to drop out, Biden got to drop out, Biden got to drop out.
Nancy Pelosi's a gangster.
I wouldn't want to fuck with her.
I wouldn't want to fuck with Mitch McConnell.
These people don't mess around.
And everyone said, or a lot of people said, they're going to have to go to threats.
Because why else would he step down?
He's earned it, that presidency, and he's earned the nomination.
joe rogan
But if there was ever a time to invoke the 25th Amendment, Wouldn't you think this is the time?
michael malice
Sure, but I don't think they...
Hold on.
unidentified
Hold on.
michael malice
Here's the thing.
Let's talk about this.
So Seymour Hersh, who's been around D.C. since the 60s, I believe he wrote The Dark Side of Camelot, if I'm not mistaken.
He had a thing on his sub stack that goes, Biden got the call.
And it was Obama, Pelosi, former Speaker of the House, Chuck Schumer, Majority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries, current House Minority Leader, leader of the Democrats in the House.
And he said, we got Kamala on board to invoke the 25th.
If you don't drop the nomination, you know, that's going to happen.
The thing is, you were saying they're not invoking the 25th.
He's still president.
joe rogan
Right.
But I'm saying if there was a time that they were going to do that, this would be that time.
michael malice
It was that time four years ago.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
But it's been that time.
joe rogan
But clearly now, right?
More than ever before, it's deteriorating.
Why, because it's public?
No, it's deteriorating.
michael malice
I don't think he's gotten that much worse.
joe rogan
Oh, he's gotten a lot worse.
There's a video that compares him from 2019 to 2024. It's a marked difference.
michael malice
Yeah, but I don't think there's a big difference between 2022 and 2024. There's like a two and a half hour compilation of the campaign in 2020 where he forgets Obama's name.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
He had those gaffes back then, but they're constant now.
He's barely hanging on.
michael malice
He was fine the State of the Union.
I think it's like sundowning, you know?
joe rogan
Okay, okay, okay.
You think there's a body double?
michael malice
That guy walked very differently than Biden.
I saw that.
joe rogan
He's a lot taller.
michael malice
It's on Scott Adams' Twitter.
I saw that.
I'm like, am I Alex Jones-ing today?
joe rogan
No, he's a lot taller.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, he's physically taller.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
And he walks way better.
Like, as someone who, like, you watch Biden walk, he had a stiffness...
Like death was coming for him.
michael malice
And before everyone freaks out, has their mousetraps and their heads go off, I think there should be more presidential body doubles because one president almost got murdered.
So if we have ways to keep them safe, let's use them.
joe rogan
Okay, that's a good thing to say.
We cover our ass there.
You know, here's another thing to say.
In the interest of national security, like, let's imagine a scenario where Biden is deathly ill and Kamala is not really capable of taking over as president right now.
And there is, you know, like, who's next?
Speaker of the House.
So Nancy Pelosi?
No, who is it now?
michael malice
Mike Johnson.
joe rogan
Mike Johnson, right?
So that would be him next.
So that's a dangerous moment in terms of national security, even though everyone knows that Biden's, you know, really having problems.
It's not actually running the show.
You know, I could see why they would want to use some body doubles for that.
michael malice
Of course.
joe rogan
You know, if the guy's in a hospital somewhere.
But this guy, let's look at it.
Because this guy, he don't walk like him.
He's taller than him.
It looks like he went back in time seven or eight years.
michael malice
This is the weekend of Bernie's prequel.
joe rogan
Well, this is like master gaslighting and propaganda is what it is.
They show you that there's – what was it in 2000 and – I forget what year it was where I believe it was during the Obama administration.
Look at the size of this guy.
michael malice
This isn't the clip I saw.
joe rogan
He's so much bigger.
Look how big he is.
He's so much bigger than Jill.
He's so much bigger.
He gained a legitimate six inches.
Look how tall he looks.
She's wearing heels as well.
michael malice
Jamie, there's one on Scott Adams' Twitter.
jamie vernon
This is from his Twitter.
michael malice
It's the one he's walking to the helicopter.
joe rogan
Let's watch this again.
Yeah, that's another one.
That's a similar one, too.
Let's see him walk again.
Look how much bigger he is than Jill.
He towers over her.
He didn't use to tower over her like that.
And also, if you look at her, she's wearing high heels.
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
See her high heels?
Okay, and he's towering over her.
That is a much taller person.
So maybe they hooked him up with some fucking secret sauce that's going to keep him going and he'll be back.
Maybe they have ability to go back, like, biologically.
michael malice
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Take you back a decade or two.
Yeah.
Giant difference in height.
michael malice
Well, hold on.
Is that because she could be behind him?
unidentified
No, listen.
joe rogan
She also has high heels on, man.
michael malice
No, no, but on the left.
It could be that she's standing.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's a different human.
Look at the size difference of the torso.
michael malice
Them walking to the helicopter is the one where it looked really...
joe rogan
Go back to that, please.
Look at the size differences in the torsos themselves, from the top of his shoulders to where...
michael malice
Oh, look how many buttons, yeah.
Look at the white of the shirt.
joe rogan
Yes.
Just look at the size difference.
Look how much longer that human is on the left.
Now, it may be Biden.
Listen, they might have some wild shit that brings you back from the dead.
Like, medical science is getting, like, there's some people out there working on some wild stuff.
unidentified
Maybe they're just fucking jolting them up with some Wolverine juice.
Ah!
michael malice
Wolverine juice is going to make you taller, but here's the thing.
In the same way in the 60s, if you sat on the show and said Liberace is gay, people would yell at you because you've never seen him sucking a dick.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
People right now would be like, it's impossible.
Why would they do a body double?
joe rogan
No, I don't think they would be.
I don't think they would be anymore.
michael malice
You don't think so?
joe rogan
No.
michael malice
You don't think there's a lot of people listening right now who think you're crazy?
joe rogan
My parents.
Like, regular people, no.
michael malice
Your parents don't listen to this show.
joe rogan
No, they don't.
But if they did, they're boomers.
They're full on.
They're full on.
You've got to keep Trump out of the White House.
But this, what you're seeing right here, it really looks like a different person.
Now, why are we saying that?
Because it actually does look like a different person.
We're not making something up, okay?
I don't do that.
I don't pretend.
I don't lie.
I'm not the type of person that looks at something like that and, like, I have a propaganda thing I'm trying to push.
Like when people say, this version of Joe Biden is the best version ever.
Intellectually, I'm telling you, he's on point.
That's not real, right?
I don't do that.
michael malice
We were also told for years that these are selectively edited clips and deepfakes.
joe rogan
No, they call them cheapfakes.
michael malice
Yeah, cheapfakes.
unidentified
Excuse me.
She's calling them cheap.
joe rogan
First of all, it's a very expensive technology.
It took a lot of money to produce.
michael malice
The cope with the debate.
First, I heard people say it was the fault of the lighting.
I don't know what kind of lighting, unless it's some kind of space laser.
joe rogan
It was after his bedtime.
michael malice
But what kind of lighting makes you say we beat Medicare?
Then people said the mic was fucked up.
Well, if your mic is fucked up, why can't you breathe?
So it was amazing how all the explanations didn't explain what we all saw with our eyes.
joe rogan
Well, we can't gaslight.
I know everyone's doing this because this is how everyone's done this.
I don't think you can do it this way anymore.
I think this political gaslighting they do is genuinely bad for them.
Not just bad for everyone and bad for the entire civilization, but genuinely bad for them.
You can't do that anymore.
michael malice
Because?
joe rogan
You can't just say it.
Everyone knows it's not true.
michael malice
Not everyone.
joe rogan
God, so many people do, and so many people your age and my age know.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Alright, I think everyone who, like right now, everyone who's 40 and under is fucking super skeptical.
michael malice
Not everyone.
joe rogan
Goddamn, a lot of people do.
michael malice
A lot, but not everyone.
joe rogan
You're right, you're right, you're right.
I'm exaggerating.
But there's many more than during, like, my parents' age when they were in their 40s.
michael malice
Infinitely more.
joe rogan
You know why?
Yeah, social media.
michael malice
Elon.
joe rogan
Elon, yes.
That's a big part of it.
michael malice
I always make this point.
You don't need a majority.
You only need an alternative.
As long as there's one, like that little kid who said that emperor has no clothes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
As long as there's one outlet where you could be like, this seems a little weird.
Then all of a sudden, the truth can come out.
Or at least in good questions.
joe rogan
The dude has literally saved free speech.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
And that sounds so stupid to some people that are against it.
Like, oh my god, you think that Nazis and hate speech?
Listen, it's not good that people want to type racist things.
It's not good.
It's not good that people target specific human beings.
It's not good.
It's also not good if you don't know those people exist, and if people can't counter those people in those comments, and if people can't highlight how egregious some of the things they're saying are, how awful some of the things they're saying are, and also get real information about, like, what's really going on in Venezuela, what's really going on in El Salvador, what's...
Everywhere.
michael malice
And I'm also sitting here as a Jewish person who went to Jew school to tell you that the idea that you can't criticize George fucking Soros, who's a billionaire because it's anti-Semitic.
joe rogan
Well, that's the old Mossad tactic, right?
There was a guy who was a Mossad agent who talked about this, like what they would do if they find out there was a journalist that was saying Israel is attacking this.
You label him an anti-Semite.
michael malice
Yeah, but the point is they don't do this just anti-Semitism.
They use racism, they use homophobia, and we're seeing it right now with Officer Harris.
joe rogan
George Soros?
michael malice
No, what I'm saying is for George Soros to be anti-Semitic, you're anti-Semitic.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
If you're going after Officer Harris, you're either racist or sexist or ableist.
Right.
joe rogan
Ableist?
michael malice
Yeah, because she's a retard.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
michael malice
She's literally retarded.
I mean...
Ukraine is a country in Europe, and Russia is another country, and a powerful country, and Russia invaded Ukraine, and that's wrong.
joe rogan
What's really important is what can be unburdened by what has been.
michael malice
I think of her as America's wine mom, because bitch seems like she's three deep by noon, and she's got the three phases of wine mom.
She's got happy drunk.
unidentified
Oh my god!
This cereal's got a rabbit on it!
It's so great!
michael malice
Cackling, cackling, cackling.
Then there is trying to...
drunk at work where you're trying to make sense but you don't.
Space is around us all and unites us all and inspires us all.
And then there's...
I'm being stern so you don't realize how plastered I am and I'm making a point.
That little girl was me.
Now I'm going to go upstairs and don't knock on the door because I'm going to pass out.
So those are her three ways she talks and those are the wine mom phases.
joe rogan
Do you think they have her medicated?
Because there was a guy that was speculating that some of the things that she says, the way she's sort of disconnected sometimes, and she goes on these rambles, that it's indicative of certain anti-anxiety medication.
I do not know if this is true.
See if you can find that, because I really shouldn't say that about our future president.
She's going to win.
michael malice
No, she's not.
joe rogan
She can win.
michael malice
She absolutely can win.
I do not think she's going to win, because the more she talks, like in 2020, how bad do you have to be that you can't even make Iowa?
She couldn't even compete with the mayor of South Bend.
joe rogan
I feel like we are in this very bizarre time where people are giving in to the bullshit in a way that I never suspected people would before.
They just want no Trump, no matter what, and they're willing to gaslight themselves.
By the way, I think Hillary could win.
If Hillary jumped back in...
michael malice
I've been saying that for months.
joe rogan
If Hillary jumped back in, I think the problem was also the money, because there was like $250 million in the campaign fund that has to...
It only works if she's on the ticket.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
So that's part of the problem, but...
I feel like Hillary could win.
michael malice
She won the popular vote in 2020. I've been saying this for a year in different shows, and she would have won it.
joe rogan
Michelle Obama could win, too, if she wanted to do it.
You don't think so?
michael malice
I think that's kind of this, you sound like your parents, I think it's this boomer idea.
She doesn't want it.
joe rogan
I'm not saying that she would be awesome at it.
michael malice
I think anyone can win of either party, whoever the nominee is.
Even Chris Christie could have won if he's the Republican nominee.
joe rogan
It's possible.
I would have thought that Trump getting shot would like, that's it, election's over.
But it's like, they memory holed that so quick.
michael malice
You would have thought Trump getting shot would have had four years, eight years of corporate journalists talking about hate speech causing violence to be like, let's take a step back.
And that went for what, a week?
joe rogan
They did take a step back for a little bit.
michael malice
For a week.
joe rogan
And then they went right back at him.
michael malice
You want to talk about this memory holing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
With the insanity of the...
Who's that?
That was Elon who put it up.
Like, if you Google President Donald, it says President Donald Reagan.
joe rogan
No, I tried it.
michael malice
What happened?
joe rogan
Maybe they fixed it.
It said President Donald Trump.
michael malice
Okay.
Well, he had a screenshot, so I'm sure he didn't Photoshop that.
joe rogan
I mean, it's based on a lot of things, right?
Like, what people are searching for.
I would imagine that the assassination attempt on Trump would be the first one that you would see.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Assassination attempt on President Trump because that's the most recent.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
But it's not.
michael malice
And most newsworthy.
joe rogan
But it does show it.
You just have to type it all in, which is interesting because that little difference between what you can find and what you get presented immediately has a huge shift in the way people access information.
And this is Robert Epstein's work.
michael malice
The creepy line.
The documentary.
Everyone should watch it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And this thing is very real.
And what it is is, like, if you try to Google certain negative stories, like negative stories on people, it will overwhelm you with positive stories.
It'll take a long time before you get to the negative stories.
michael malice
Yeah.
How he explained it is, here's how they can tip the scale.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
If I Google Hillary Clinton and I have it so Google gives fairly positive stories about Hillary as the first 10 results, you're not going to go to the second page.
If I Google Donald Trump and Google gives you seven negative stories, it's going to move the needle a little bit toward her and against him.
joe rogan
Quite a bit.
Quite a bit.
Like if you're a person who's on the fence, you're like, maybe Donald Trump's not a bad guy.
And then you Google him and then you start reading some of these pieces that they've written about him.
It'll change your perspective.
michael malice
You really think she's going to win?
joe rogan
I'm saying it because she could.
I'm not saying it because I think she's going to.
I'm not saying it because I want her to.
I'm just being honest.
I could see her winning.
michael malice
I think she's going to lose a lot of the black male vote.
joe rogan
Really?
michael malice
That's interesting.
I don't think they're going to go in the booth and pull the lever for her like they did for Biden, who's Obama's boy.
joe rogan
When Trump came out to 50 Cent, that many men wish death upon me, and n-word and everything.
Like, didn't censor it out.
Everybody's like, oh shit, he won.
It happened so quickly, the shift from, oh my god, they shot him, to fuck him again.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like...
People are questioning whether or not he actually got shot because his ear healed.
michael malice
Can I... Wait, I gotta tell you something else about him.
He was on...
Who was the Fox guy who just died?
Stu Varney a couple years ago.
And he goes, Stu, that's the N-word.
You know what the N-word is, right, Stu?
And Stu's like, uh...
It goes, nuclear.
The nuclear word.
And I was on the Blaze, Glenn Beck's network for midterms, and Trump calls in, and he's like, that's the N-word.
Nuclear.
I'm like...
Are we really doing this right now?
Like, Trump is talking about the N-word and he means nuclear.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
It was nuts.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
What is this?
Trump did not walk out to 50 cents, but rather the country's...
So is that fake?
Those videos are fake?
Where he walks out?
unidentified
- Oh! - Next president of the United States, McDonald, Jay.
jamie vernon
- Yeah, these videos go around the internet all the time.
joe rogan
Oh, so people imposed it?
michael malice
No, I thought the guy was saying it in disbelief.
That's him going out Wait, scroll down because it says under it there was an explanation in text.
What does it say there?
Oh, it was not.
It was his fake.
joe rogan
Oh, they faked it.
michael malice
Oh, damn it.
Now we know what he should do next time.
joe rogan
He definitely should have came out to that.
michael malice
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that would have been epic.
michael malice
Because 50 Cent was tweeting about him.
joe rogan
50 Cent had his face at his concert.
So he has that image of him in the back and he put Donald Trump's head over his body.
michael malice
But do you know what?
joe rogan
Maybe that's fake too!
michael malice
There's a big sea change because even three years ago, if you had said, Trump kind of sucks, I don't really like him, he had no business being president, you're a Trump supporter.
Because unless you say he's the worst thing to happen in America, you're a Trump supporter, right?
joe rogan
Right, right.
michael malice
So for Mark Zuckerberg to go on camera and be like, this guy was kind of a badass, and that was awesome, and not to have any – and to feel safe to say that, not to have any negative consequences, that's a big deal in terms of the conversation moving.
joe rogan
Well, I do not think that Mark Zuckerberg, from my interactions with him, was very comfortable with the FBI telling them to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
michael malice
Let's talk about this, because there's a lot of people who, I don't blame them, think, oh, boo-hoo, you're forced me to do it, but he's happy to do it anyway.
So you're saying that he actually, it was like...
joe rogan
Well, he brought it up.
I mean, when I asked him, I asked him what they did with it.
He told the whole story.
He didn't try to hide from it at all.
And he said they basically reduced the ability to spread.
You could post it, you could read it, you could interact with it, but they reduced its reach by like 50% or something like that or whatever the number was, which I don't understand how you do that or what are you doing.
I don't know.
I'll let that go.
michael malice
You can understand because on Facebook, which I'm- But it's recommended.
No, not recommended.
I'm not on Facebook for this reason.
Your feed, I don't see all my friends' posts.
So if they just have it post 50% less, it's very easy to do.
joe rogan
Right.
I think that's Instagram as well.
michael malice
Yes, correct.
Same company.
joe rogan
Same sort of deal.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, you see that with people.
That's what shadow banning is.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
It's difficult for people to see your shit.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
They do that on purpose.
michael malice
Of course they do.
And they can't do it by accident.
joe rogan
No.
I mean, it's a real thing.
I don't know if he's comfortable with the government telling them to do something that turned out to be an actual true story.
michael malice
Is that what he said?
joe rogan
No.
I mean, I have to imagine about him saying that that's one of the most badass things that I've ever seen.
He's got a reasonable perspective, because it was one of those badass things.
Whether you love Donald Trump or not, let's pretend he's from another country, you have no stake in the game.
That guy almost getting shot and raising his fist up like that.
And there's so many fucking weird things about that story.
The story of the assassination itself.
Everyone should be really uncomfortable with the fact that that happened and not like saying, you didn't even get shot.
You're missing the whole point.
michael malice
I tweeted this out.
I go, I wish the White House were freaking out about this as much there about climate change.
Because this would be a big moment to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like, this can never happen again.
But when Steve Scalise got shot, they were like, eh.
And then went back to business.
Like, didn't shit happen.
joe rogan
Also, why were they streaming it?
They don't stream his campaign things.
michael malice
They do it a lot.
joe rogan
Do they do it a lot?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They do it a lot.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
CNN does it a lot?
michael malice
Not CNN. CNN did this one.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The FBI kind of added some problems to this, too.
joe rogan
What did they say?
jamie vernon
They said they were unclear on whether he was actually shot, pierced by a bullet.
joe rogan
Or a fragmented portion of one.
Oh, so it could have been a ricochet.
michael malice
A shrapnel, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, because I know there was something that got hit.
There was a video that I saw of a railing that got hit.
So it might have been a piece of the bullet that hit his ear.
michael malice
But also, how are we not seeing this kid's social media?
joe rogan
Right.
Also, did you read the story about the examination of his house?
That it was completely scrubbed.
Really?
There was no silverware.
It was like spotless.
Like a team went over it and scrubbed it.
michael malice
Oh, wow.
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Also, did you hear the story about how someone using ad tracking?
So, you know, they can find out where you're going just based on ad tracking.
And they found that someone from a building near the FBI offices was regularly visiting this kid.
michael malice
Oh, seriously?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, find that, Jamie.
jamie vernon
I just got the video about the house.
I'm trying to see...
michael malice
We also don't even know how...
joe rogan
We'll go to the video of the house first, and then we'll go to...
michael malice
But also, just a sidebar.
We don't know...
joe rogan
MKUltra was a real thing.
To think they don't do that anymore.
Oh, come on.
unidentified
I believe we had people that participated in that securing of it.
There were bomb assets that we provided.
joe rogan
Mr. Chairman, can I have 30 more seconds?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, I'm letting everybody count.
On the night of, since then?
Did you get any reports from any of your agents of anything fishy at the home?
I was briefed on...
Was there any silverware found in the home or trash?
I have nothing in the briefing that I was given.
jamie vernon
I guess maybe he's reporting on that report then.
joe rogan
Yeah, he must be reporting on that report.
So that's a very incomplete video.
michael malice
Remember the Las Vegas shooter?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a weird one too.
michael malice
Just stop talking about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of those that you go, what the fuck is that?
What is that?
Why'd they do that?
michael malice
The fact that we're talking about January 6th for years and this is just like, eh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, January 6th was a lot of people.
michael malice
But this is a presidential candidate.
Come on, I mean.
joe rogan
Oh, it's all fucked, man.
It's fucked.
It's weird.
The whole thing is weird.
This kid had these devices and remote controls for detonators, like very sophisticated stuff.
He had three overseas bank accounts, encrypted accounts.
michael malice
Wait, is that true?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
That I didn't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, find that out.
He had three encrypted accounts, I believe I read.
michael malice
Why?
joe rogan
Again, this is stuff I read.
michael malice
I hear you, but the point is, this should be what CNN and Fox lead with every night.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
michael malice
Like, this should be the scandal.
joe rogan
Right.
They should be like, what is this?
michael malice
We knew about Judge Alito's sneakers.
Every detail of that trial was obsessed.
But here it's just a...
joe rogan
Right.
Well, we still don't know what's on the Epstein client list.
michael malice
Or was it 80 congresspeople had sexual harassment suits that are under seal?
joe rogan
How about the 51 former intelligence agents that signed off that the Hunter Biden laptop was bullshit?
michael malice
And zero consequences for anything.
jamie vernon
The fake account thing might not have been real.
They might have backtracked on that.
joe rogan
Oh, did they?
jamie vernon
It just says it might have been linked to an online gaming site or something that might have been a fake account.
joe rogan
Oh, so why he has accounts?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to understand.
joe rogan
Okay, see what you get.
So, it's hard to know what's true and what's not true.
And it's hard to know what's bullshit and what's not bullshit.
But what we definitely know is that they knew about this kid in advance.
That he had a rangefinder.
They saw him walking around with a rangefinder.
That somehow or another he got up onto that fucking roof.
That they knew he was on that roof.
And that they saw him with a rifle and didn't shoot him.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he got off three shots before they shot him.
michael malice
I heard he took horse paste.
joe rogan
No way.
Son of a bitch.
michael malice
What a lunatic.
joe rogan
Oh, he's definitely a right winger.
Interesting.
Maybe he's a never-Trumper.
But he was registered for the Republican Party, which doesn't mean anything.
michael malice
But he donated to some...
unidentified
Biden?
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
He donated to Biden, I believe.
The whole thing is really squirrely, and it just makes you wonder...
michael malice
What about that whole sloped roof bullshit?
joe rogan
That's wild.
michael malice
What the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
It's too dangerous to be on that sloped roof.
Meanwhile, they had snipers on another roof that was sloped.
michael malice
Even if not, it's like, figure it out.
It's the president.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, they had that kid.
They were looking at him.
They saw what he was doing.
michael malice
Here's the thing, though.
Okay, I gotta put this out there.
unidentified
What?
michael malice
He's going back to Butler to give another rally at the same place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
It'd be really funny if, you know, at this point, it's kind of like when she's asking for it.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
If they get him again in the same spot.
michael malice
It's like, come on.
joe rogan
This time they use a drone.
unidentified
This time, yeah.
joe rogan
The kid had iron sights on his rifle.
michael malice
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Which I thought was interesting.
He did not have a scope.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So iron sights are, you're lining it up like this.
michael malice
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I thought you said iron sights.
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
Iron sights.
So he didn't have a scope.
But it wasn't a long shot.
It was like 150 yards.
And if he went center mass instead of a headshot, he probably would have killed him.
I mean, I don't know if Trump wears a bulletproof vest.
michael malice
That's a good question.
Yeah, that's a good question.
Probably at this point, hopefully he does.
joe rogan
Hopefully he does.
But if that guy just shot center mass, he'd hit him.
He would have hit him.
I mean, you're dealing with a variance of this or a variance of this, right?
michael malice
And Trump's a big dude.
joe rogan
If the bullet did nick his ear, it might have been a piece of shrapnel.
Who knows?
But it definitely shot someone behind him and killed him.
Killed that one guy who was a firefighter.
michael malice
Did you see Joanne Reed?
joe rogan
What'd she say?
michael malice
Biden survived COVID, so it's basically kind of like the same.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're so gas lit up, they don't even know what the fuck they're saying.
They don't even know how ridiculous it is.
michael malice
And Jen Psaki's there nodding like, uh-huh.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did the same thing.
Basically the same thing.
unidentified
Because she knows better, so she's just like, oh shit, I gotta kind of play ball.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Joy Reid's a gem.
She's a gift.
michael malice
How does she have a worse hairline than Joe Biden?
unidentified
How is that fucking possible?
joe rogan
The whole fucking online pundit thing is so strange.
Or excuse me, on television pundit thing is so strange.
michael malice
What way?
joe rogan
Well, it's just like it's so clear it's contrived.
It's so obviously contrived.
michael malice
Joe, it's not obvious.
When we were in the 80s, when Hacksaw Jim Duggan got arrested with the Iron Sheik, people were like, what?
He's not actually from Iran and he's not a terrorist?
That was a moment.
unidentified
Don't you remember?
joe rogan
Yes, I do remember that.
michael malice
So for a lot of people, or they'll tell you, you don't know that this celebrity takes steroids to gain 60 pounds in three months for this movie?
Maybe he's just got great genetics and it's just like, guys.
But that's how people think.
What's on their screen is they think their screen is a window.
joe rogan
Right.
And they've been infantilized.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Over decades of this bullshit being pumped into their face.
It's so funny how few people even know what MKUltra was.
That the government really did try to make assassins and try to...
michael malice
They tried to stay on their own people.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Tried them on all kinds of people.
michael malice
I've said this, I think, on the show before.
You can go after the president, the Republicans, the Democrats, the universities, journalists, whatever you want.
Only when you question CIA, you're a crazy person.
unidentified
Everything else is fine.
michael malice
It's on the table.
CIA, oh, you must be a crazy person.
joe rogan
You must be.
Yeah, you must be.
They're looking out for your best interest.
michael malice
And even if you told them Google MKUltra or Mockingbird and they look it up themselves, it still won't permeate.
joe rogan
Well, they'll say that was then.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't do that anymore.
That was the 60s.
There's a lot of oversight now.
michael malice
There's racism.
joe rogan
Yes.
A lot of racism.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's oversight now.
You can't do that anymore.
michael malice
It's insane.
joe rogan
You don't have to worry about it.
Yeah.
I mean, that's when people want to talk about what the deep state is.
That's the deep state.
The people that can pull the strings that aren't elected officials.
michael malice
J. Edgar Hoover.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
He was more powerful.
Who was he accountable to?
Nobody.
joe rogan
Did he really wear dresses and shit?
michael malice
That's bullshit.
joe rogan
Bullshit, right?
michael malice
It's one of those things that they put out there.
It's bullshit.
joe rogan
They did it to get to him.
michael malice
Yeah.
This was after he died.
It came out.
Supposedly.
joe rogan
But you would think that someone's always going after someone's secrets and want to have a few secrets of his own.
michael malice
Well, yeah.
I'm sure he has some.
joe rogan
Especially back then.
michael malice
I'm sure he had some secrets.
joe rogan
So that was the ultimate one.
That he really is a cross-dresser.
michael malice
Which is a good thing they didn't put him on hormones, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
Or maybe it's a bad thing.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a bad thing.
Maybe he would calm himself down.
michael malice
He would be a lot nicer.
joe rogan
Maybe.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Or maybe we got hysterical.
michael malice
Calm down so it's hysterical.
Like Nixon bitch slapping him in the Oval Office.
joe rogan
Maybe we just start really using some of that information that he has.
michael malice
I want to make a plea.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael malice
To the president.
Which one?
joe rogan
Biden?
michael malice
Joe Biden.
I know he doesn't listen to this show, but I know his staff does.
So Donald Trump at the Libertarian Convention a couple months ago promised to free Ross Ulbricht if he gets elected.
joe rogan
Did he really?
michael malice
Yes.
unidentified
Interesting.
michael malice
He made this commitment.
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice
So I'm saying to the Biden administration now, you can make a fool out of Trump.
You can take this issue off the table.
It's probably going to be the margin in New Hampshire.
There's a lot of people who are Ross supporters in tech circles.
You can free Ross Ulbricht today.
You got Julian Assange out of jail with a lot of institutional opposition.
No one has institutional opposition to Ross.
Yep.
He's not killed anyone, not been accused of killing anyone.
He's doing double life, even though he's not a violent criminal.
There's no concern of recidivism.
So, Mr. President, make an asshole out of Trump.
You can say Republicans promised, Democrats deliver, and you could free Ross Ulbricht today.
Commute a sentence.
joe rogan
There's a lot of weirdness in that case, too, right?
michael malice
Yes, there is.
joe rogan
There's a lot of weirdness in terms of entrapment.
michael malice
Yes, and it's as if he killed a bunch of people that have double life.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
So this is something that would be very easy for him to do and get a lot of people to support or at least stay home and not support Trump.
And every vote counts.
joe rogan
Silk Road was a way that you could buy pretty much anything, right?
michael malice
It was like a black market website.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could buy pretty much anything.
michael malice
It's like torrenting, but with drugs and weapons or whatever.
joe rogan
And weren't there murders for hire and stuff too?
michael malice
I think there were, yeah.
He's not been accused of that or charged with it, certainly.
joe rogan
Wasn't that one of the things that he had signed off on someone getting assassinated?
michael malice
That's one of these rumors.
That's not what they charged him with at all.
joe rogan
No?
michael malice
And it's like, if that was a thing, why are you charging him with that?
joe rogan
What did they charge him with?
michael malice
I don't even remember.
What was it, Jamie?
It was some bullshit.
joe rogan
Ulbricht was charged with engaging in a continuing criminal enterprise, narcotics conspiracy, conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to commit computer hacking.
On August 21, 2014, a superseding indictment added three additional charges on February 4, 2015. Ulbricht was convicted on all counts after a jury trial that had taken place on January 15, 2015. Double life plus 40 years without possible parole.
Two life sentences plus 40 years.
michael malice
Nine years he's been in jail now.
joe rogan
So just in case science comes along and they can keep him alive forever.
He's also ordered to pay about $183 million in restitution based on the total sales of illegal drugs and counterfeit IDs through Silk Road.
Wow.
That's crazy.
So even if he gets out, he's got to pay $183 million in restitution?
michael malice
I don't know if he has to do that.
joe rogan
Holy fuck.
Okay, so here it is.
Federal prosecutors allege that Albright had paid $730,000 in a murder-for-hire deals targeting at least five people, allegedly because they threatened to reveal Silk Road, the Silk Road Enterprise.
Prosecutors believe no contracted killing actually occurred.
michael malice
And he was not charged.
joe rogan
Albright was not charged in his trial in New York federal court with murder-for-hire, but evidence was introduced at trial supporting the allegations the district court Found a preponderance of the evidence that Albright did commission the murders.
So it seems like he did commission them.
The evidence that Albright had, according to them, had commissioned murders where it's considered by the judge in sentencing Albright to life and was a factor in the Second Circuit's decision to uphold the sentence.
michael malice
He wasn't charged with it.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
He's been there.
joe rogan
It's crazy though that they don't charge him with it, but yet they use it as a consideration.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
That is kind of crazy.
michael malice
That is crazy.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to do that?
michael malice
Apparently.
If you have the evidence for that, put it up and let him be tried for it.
And I got to tell you, I don't think that's going to get you double life in any other case.
joe rogan
And isn't he like a yoga teacher now?
michael malice
He teaches people how to read.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
He's like a model prisoner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He fucked up.
michael malice
Let him out.
joe rogan
You know, this idea of, like, you want to have total freedom and we're going to just circumvent the system and do it online.
They just wanted to squash that and put as much water on that fire as humanly possible.
michael malice
And the point's been made.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
So he's served his time.
Mr. President, please let him out right now.
joe rogan
Why do you have the Hellraiser box on the table?
michael malice
Oh, I wanted to give me, and this is from Cabin in the Woods.
You ever see Cabin in the Woods?
joe rogan
The movie?
Yeah.
michael malice
That's Fornicus's orb.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a fun movie.
michael malice
I have these normally in my bedroom, obviously.
joe rogan
Oh, so you put them here for your vibe?
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Really?
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's so bizarre.
unidentified
Is it?
joe rogan
Why do you have the Hellraiser box?
michael malice
Because it goes well with the orb.
joe rogan
Is it functional, the Hellraiser box?
michael malice
No, but this one is.
joe rogan
Does it move around?
unidentified
Oh, it is?
michael malice
It is functional.
joe rogan
What does that do?
michael malice
Here.
Careful, though.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice
It's not cheap.
joe rogan
What does it do?
Oh, it moves around.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And does it open?
michael malice
Careful, careful.
You don't want to open a door.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
How does this work?
michael malice
Well, you're just doing it.
joe rogan
You just spin it around?
michael malice
Yeah, and then doorways open.
joe rogan
Oh, doorways.
We don't need that.
michael malice
We don't need that here, yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine if, like, some wild shit goes down, like, fucking Malice and Rogan, they opened up the doorway.
michael malice
I think it'd be like a fucking Malice.
They knew.
joe rogan
Opened up the fucking door.
Yeah, the Hellraiser box.
It was clearly satanic.
michael malice
Lament configuration.
joe rogan
That's it?
michael malice
That's the orb.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
And it's like a conjuring type deal?
michael malice
Well, he was the lord of, what, bondage and pain from the movie?
He's a Cenobite, obviously, yeah.
joe rogan
Cabin in the Woods was a fun fucking movie.
unidentified
I love that movie.
It was a fun movie.
michael malice
That's Josh Whedon.
joe rogan
Was it really?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
It was like a love letter to horror movies.
joe rogan
Ah, it was a good movie.
michael malice
Sigourney Weaver was excellent.
Oh, so I don't want to spoil it, but Sigourney Weaver was in it, and she's superb.
joe rogan
It's also, it really straddles the line between silly and actually scary.
It does really well.
michael malice
It's like, it's a movie for the fans.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
Like, you watch, you're like, okay, this guy's talking to me through the screen.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Yeah, it's like you have to love horror movies to really love that movie.
michael malice
Because there's so many Easter eggs.
You've got to sit down and be like, who's this?
Who's that?
Like, oh, he's a Cenobite.
That's what that reference is.
joe rogan
Werewolves.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fun-ass movie.
michael malice
Yeah, I love that.
joe rogan
So that's why you brought these things?
michael malice
I just want to have a good vibe, yeah.
joe rogan
So you always have that in front of you when you work?
michael malice
No, it's in my bedroom.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Right where you sleep?
michael malice
That's where I sleep.
joe rogan
Where you rest your head, you put that on the one side?
michael malice
Is that how you do it?
They're on the nightstand.
joe rogan
The same nightstand or opposite of the nightstand?
michael malice
The same nightstand.
joe rogan
Is that the one you stare at before you close your eyes?
michael malice
I don't...
What do you stare at?
joe rogan
When you say your spells?
unidentified
My spells.
michael malice
And that's how I laugh.
And then I go to sleep.
joe rogan
Well, there's so many people online, because everyone's so skeptical and because conspiracies are so fun, everyone thinks that everything is satanic.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
You know, everything.
Like, that was what people thought about the Prince Charles painting, or King Charles.
I like the King Charles painting, like, someone's fucking with him.
Like, that guy's like, that's a subtle dig on the history of the UK Empire.
michael malice
It looked like it was something on a Hot Topic.
joe rogan
It looks crazy.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, like, people try to find, like, Baphomet in there.
unidentified
If you're, you know, turn it upside down and then fold it in half.
michael malice
You know how you know the guy was fucking with him?
Because he left his sausage fingers in there.
You know how he's got really fucked up hands?
joe rogan
He does?
michael malice
Wait, Jamie, pull up King Charles' hands.
It's insane.
joe rogan
Oh, they're, like, inflamed, right?
michael malice
They're, like, sausage.
It's like in that movie with everything everywhere all at once.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's probably got a disease, man.
michael malice
Yeah, you think?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, that's so inflamed.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
God, that's so unhealthy.
What's wrong with his hands?
michael malice
I don't know.
Oh, sausage fingers.
joe rogan
Wow.
Let's scroll up so you get a look at that.
They didn't even show it.
They just show a picture of him.
Let's see the hands.
That looks fairly okay.
A little swollen.
What causes swollen hands?
Caused by a variety of things.
It's important to discuss symptoms with your doctor.
Does it show his hands down there?
Yeah, there you go.
Okay, right there.
That looks crazy.
That looks crazy.
That looks like you're never getting that ring off, first of all.
michael malice
I feel bad for Camilla.
They can't feel nice.
joe rogan
Ew.
Do you think they still do it?
michael malice
Of course, don't you?
They've got to be.
They're all perverts.
joe rogan
You think so?
michael malice
The royal family?
joe rogan
Are they all perverts?
michael malice
They're all perverts.
unidentified
Really?
michael malice
Of course.
There's such a thing with aristocracy.
That's why they're not having sex with kids because they like it.
They're having sex with kids so they can.
joe rogan
The aristocracy has sex with kids.
michael malice
What's the thing?
Prince Philip.
Was it Philip?
No, not Prince Philip.
It's the other one.
Andrew.
He was buddies with Epstein.
We've got all the receipts.
And then when they caught him, he goes, well, I don't sweat anymore.
joe rogan
I don't sweat anymore?
michael malice
Yeah, he said, I was at the Falklands and I caught something and now I don't sweat anymore.
So there you go.
Look this up, Jamie.
I'm not making this up.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
That was his excuse?
I don't sweat anymore?
michael malice
It was some weird thing about like, this story can't be true because I don't sweat.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huh.
One of the Duke of York's claims in his Newsnight interview was that he cannot physically sweat.
Let's find out, bro.
Let's put that bitch in a sauna and see if he's a liar.
michael malice
Yeah, so there you go.
Virginia Guffrey.
joe rogan
Just tried dancing with you, and you're profusely sweating, and then she went on to have a bath, possibly.
Prince Andrew replies, there's a slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition, which I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at the time, and that was...
michael malice
Wait, can you get the clip of him saying this?
Because it sounds so crazy with his words.
joe rogan
Didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at.
Oh, that's a good way to divert.
That's crazy.
michael malice
You are around UFC guys all the time.
Their adrenaline's through the roof because they're like in a life and death situation.
They all sweat.
This isn't a thing.
joe rogan
Right.
But there is a medical condition where you don't.
The guy who does that sculpture out there, the sea monster that you saw, he can't sweat.
It's really bad.
michael malice
He was in the Falklands?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He just has a real condition.
michael malice
Yeah, but that's a thing.
But that's not something you develop.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I don't know if you can develop it.
michael malice
You can't develop it getting shot at, Joe.
Because Trump can't sweat anymore?
joe rogan
I mean, maybe it just rarely happens when someone blows a fuse.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm not a doctor.
I'm not an apologist for this sweaty motherfucker.
I think he's sweating right now.
It's so simple to find out if this is true, though.
Interesting that you say that, sir.
We have a sauna at 195 degrees.
michael malice
Or we just turn up the air.
jamie vernon
According to this doctor in this article, he says.
joe rogan
Okay.
A physician, Dr. James Hambin, wrote in The Atlantic at the time, in case the dubiousness of this claim is not already evident from its context, nested in a sea of dubious claims, this is a dubious claim.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, there are people who cannot sweat or who sweat very little.
Such a propensity to appear cool and collected while everyone else is flushed and damp has been attributed to the inevitably, inviably high status through, oh, to the inviably high status throughout history.
I'm sorry, I'm reading it while I'm thinking.
But the medical condition of not producing sweat, okay, this is the stuff that my friend has.
michael malice
Anhydrosis, yeah.
joe rogan
Anhydrosis.
Extremely undesirable.
The function is vitally important, a way to cool the body down.
Mick Vader, the guy who does all the Kill Tony and Mothership stuff, he has that too.
So two guys I know.
Both guys named Scott, oddly enough.
Scott, who made the incredible artwork, and then Scott, the Mick Vader, who does other incredible artwork.
Both of those guys legitimately can't sweat.
But they didn't...
michael malice
You can't develop it.
And certainly not from adrenaline.
It's a thing.
joe rogan
It's a genetic thing.
michael malice
Like some people can't feel pain, which is really bad.
joe rogan
It's not a temporary condition, such as Hamblin concludes, a temporary inability to sweat would defy medical precedent.
Okay.
So it's bullshit.
michael malice
It's bullshit.
joe rogan
Pure bullshit.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
He just wanted to make that as a nice, like, look, by the way, I got shot at at the Falkland War.
michael malice
I couldn't have raped that girl.
I was shot.
joe rogan
Kind of a hero.
michael malice
In the war.
joe rogan
I don't sweat.
michael malice
Yeah.
I also don't believe he was shot at.
joe rogan
Probably wasn't.
michael malice
They're not going to put the prince in the line of fire in the Falklands.
joe rogan
Maybe he's like that dude from NBC. Brian...
Yeah, Williams.
michael malice
Yeah.
What about Hillary?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was one too.
michael malice
So I was on a sniper fire.
Yeah, the first lady's going to be on a sniper fire.
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a weird one, right?
michael malice
Yes, weird?
Yeah, the first lady is going to Bosnia.
They're just going to let people take shots at her.
Well, they did it to Trump, so maybe it to her.
joe rogan
Saying you can't sweat is so crazy because they could find out so easy if you sweat.
Like, it's not like a difficult thing.
Well, sir, did you mind sitting in the sauna?
michael malice
But it's also like, maybe she got, let's pretend, let's just take it at face value.
She could have gotten that aspect of the story wrong.
It doesn't mean you weren't there with her.
It's like she misremembered that you were sweating.
joe rogan
She just think you stunk.
unidentified
Oh, there you go, misspoke.
joe rogan
She said she misspoke.
And last week she gave a dramatic description of her arrival in Bosnia 12 years ago.
We're counting a landing under sniper fire.
michael malice
And she had to duck and run?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
She says, so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement.
michael malice
That means a lie.
joe rogan
I say a lot of things, millions of words a day.
So if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement.
So if I make an incantation that summons Beelzebub and he rises from a crack in the earth, that was just a misstatement.
I say millions of words a day.
If you put a million chimpanzees for a million years, typewriters, they'll make the works of Shakespeare.
michael malice
Why would Beelzebub come from a crack in the earth?
You know he's a lord of the sky.
joe rogan
I remember landing under sniper fire.
There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we ran with our heads down to get into vehicles to get to our base.
michael malice
And there is footage of her landing, and they're giving her flowers, and it's kids.
It's not like it wasn't on video.
joe rogan
Both Clintons held their heads up and did not appear rushed.
So the video...
michael malice
Oh yeah, presented her with a poem.
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
Eight-year-old Bosnian girl presented her with a poem and later greeting U.S. troops.
So it's just...
Do you believe that thing about all the monkeys?
You leave them alone with the typewriter?
For a million years, they compose all the works of Shakespeare?
michael malice
Yeah, that's mathematically definite, but what do you mean here?
joe rogan
I don't believe it.
michael malice
What do you mean?
joe rogan
I think it's going to be all fucked up.
michael malice
But if you do it long enough, infinitely, every...
joe rogan
Who's going to edit that?
You'd have to find all the works of Shakespeare.
michael malice
Joe Rogan, you don't edit Shakespeare.
joe rogan
You'd have to find all those words in those monkeys.
There's no way they're going to write those letters in that order.
michael malice
If it's infinite, yes.
joe rogan
Infinite.
michael malice
Right, that's the whole point.
joe rogan
I think infinitely, it sucks infinitely.
I think, unless they evolve, if it's infinite and then the monkeys grow up to become humans, then they figure out how to write Shakespeare.
michael malice
If you're hitting keys at random, eventually you're going to write out Shakespeare's words.
joe rogan
Perfectly.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Just a time thing.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it'll take trillions of years.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But one day.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
The end, period?
Imagine?
So imagine, like, our proof of intelligent life is just proof of infinity.
Like, oh my god, we found an incredible book, like a guidebook for human beings.
It's really just a bunch of space monkeys pounding on a typewriter for fucking billions of years.
unidentified
A book is called The Art of the Deal.
joe rogan
It's like one space monkey figures out paper, and then the other space monkey finds a typewriter that an alien civilization has dropped off there, just sort of like they do with us with spaceships.
When they just crash land, they just drop them off a typewriter.
michael malice
I just read a story of this monkey who was in a zoo, a chimp, for like 50 years.
It just finally died.
It was really sad.
But I read the story, and they said, well, it was originally being raised by someone in their house, and then they took it to the zoo.
And it's just like...
And they bought it at a pet store in New York.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
michael malice
Like a chimp?
joe rogan
Yeah, I used to be able to do that.
Remember the lady in Connecticut?
michael malice
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about.
I'm like, who thinks this is a good idea?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of nutty people out there that don't understand what a chimpanzee is.
There was a piece recently, Jamie, where they were studying old videos of chimpanzees, and they believe that some chimpanzees are capable of human words.
See if you can find that.
This is like a very new discovery.
So they were examining some older videos, and they believe that some chimpanzees...
Here, old videos of chimpanzees suggest they are capable of speech.
So these are some old videos that they had done.
So a small team of speech specialists and psychologists in Sweden, the UK, and Switzerland has found via study of old videos that at least three chimpanzees had learned to speak human words, suggesting that the animals are capable of learning this ability given the right circumstances.
The work is published in the journal Scientific Reports.
Isn't that wild?
michael malice
Huh.
joe rogan
So some of them know how to say some words.
Papa or cup.
Mama, papa or cup.
But their work was discredited over the years as unethical because the chimp was taken from its natural mother.
In this new effort, the research team wondered if dismissal of these findings was done in absence of attempts to duplicate their efforts.
To find out that might have been the case, they searched for the video evidence of such attempts at training and found three videos showing Evidence that chimpanzees can be taught to speak human words in a rudimentary way.
michael malice
I'm scared to hear this.
It's going to be so terrible.
unidentified
Can you say mama?
Mama?
Mama.
Is this for mama?
Mama.
You love your mama?
Mama.
Here, sweetie.
This is for you.
michael malice
But that's just a grunt.
joe rogan
No, I'm saying mama, dude.
michael malice
Yeah, but it doesn't know what that means.
unidentified
You're a good boy, John.
joe rogan
Well, let's see it say other things.
It says cup.
That sounded like...
michael malice
You could teach Huskies to say I love you too.
joe rogan
I guess.
How do you teach me to say that noise, mama?
michael malice
The chimp doesn't think that the owner is its mother.
joe rogan
Right.
It doesn't understand what that means.
It's just saying that.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right, right, right.
So even if it's saying the noise, right, right, right.
It doesn't understand what it's saying.
michael malice
It's not the same thing, yes.
joe rogan
That is different.
So they know that they can teach gorillas sign language though, right?
michael malice
Right, but the interesting thing about, I think with that, that might be overblown because my understanding is the gorillas never ask questions.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
So it's always a response to a cue.
And gorillas are extremely intelligent.
It's not a dispute, but like, what are they actually, are they mimicking?
Knowing gets them what they want?
Because I know that, what's the most famous one, Coco?
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
michael malice
Called, it was Mad One, supposedly, she, he.
It was Coco Boy?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
Male?
joe rogan
Well, let's a kindergarten teacher decide.
michael malice
Or our next president.
joe rogan
You see that meme?
michael malice
Yes.
And Coco called her like a dirty toilet devil.
joe rogan
Whoa.
michael malice
And I'm like, a gorilla doesn't know what a devil is.
You can't teach a gorilla the concept of devil.
That's not a word.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
That is interesting.
So maybe they don't know how to express themselves, but they can crudely interact with ideas.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So it's not as simple as...
Maybe they don't even have a sense of self to the point where they can express themselves.
Like, I'm hungry.
I'm very tired right now.
I'm tired of doing these tricks for you.
I don't like this.
I don't want to be in this cage anymore.
michael malice
The other thing that really blew my mind is they had a thing where they taught dogs.
There's two pictures.
Is it a boy?
joe rogan
Sometimes used the sign for devil as an insult.
She also named a parent devil tooth after initially being frightened of it.
In the famous joke the aristocrats told by Coco the Gorilla, Coco says, Devil Ingrid.
michael malice
It was a girl, okay.
joe rogan
Coco was a gorilla who mastered sign language and raised kittens.
michael malice
She died at the age of 46. You can't teach the concept of devil to an animal.
joe rogan
Imagine just being trapped in a fucking building that's run by gorillas, and they tell you what to do, and they give you bananas, and they try to get you to grunt at them, and you're like, oh my god, is there any fucking people around here?
How bad would that suck?
Well, that's how bad it sucked for Coco.
michael malice
No, it didn't, because dogs think of us as the same thing as them.
joe rogan
How do you know that Coco does?
Maybe Coco would have been way more happy with a bunch of gorillas.
michael malice
Maybe.
joe rogan
I would think so.
michael malice
Probably.
joe rogan
Dogs are happy with dogs.
michael malice
Dogs are happy with people.
joe rogan
They're a little happier with people.
michael malice
Dogs want to be around people, yes.
So there's an experiment they ran, and I still don't understand what's going on in the dog's head, where they put up two pictures, and the dogs were trained.
If you see a picture of a dog, you hit this left, or if the dog's in the right, hit the right, and you get a treat.
So they had some concept of dog.
Because it would be like the whole dog or the dog's head or whatever.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
michael malice
So if you have two pictures, like the shape of a cat and the shape of a dog or a cow, they're the same shape.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
But the dogs knew to choose dog.
And dogs look very different from each other.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
So that was something I thought was really fascinating.
joe rogan
Well, dogs know what a dog is versus like Marshall hates squirrels.
He tries to kill squirrels.
michael malice
Sure.
joe rogan
But when he sees Carl, he knows absolutely, even though Carl's squirrel size, that Carl is a dog.
michael malice
Well, Carl's bigger than a squirrel.
A lot bigger.
joe rogan
Well, when he was little, he wasn't.
michael malice
Okay.
And he knew.
joe rogan
How big was Carl when Marshall first saw him?
jamie vernon
Five pounds.
michael malice
But that could be a smell thing.
joe rogan
I think it probably is.
michael malice
That's got to be a smell.
The dogs do not smell the same as rodents.
joe rogan
It's probably also the way the dog interacts with another dog.
michael malice
And the motion.
The way they move.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a difference.
The rodents probably smell delicious.
michael malice
But visually, how is it going to know that that's a dog on the screen?
joe rogan
How's it going to know that Marshall's never seen a French bulldog?
How the fuck did he know?
michael malice
But from smell.
joe rogan
Right.
But I mean, he's probably like, what is this?
This is a crazy thing.
michael malice
He knows little dog.
joe rogan
He does.
Yeah, that's true.
My older daughter has a chihuahua.
So he's been around little dogs.
But they know that there's a difference between all kinds...
I had to teach him that he can't kill chickens.
Because he's like, chickens are in the fucking yard.
What are these things doing?
No, no, no.
They are pets.
I still don't trust him totally.
But he doesn't chase after them and go out.
But when he first saw him, he wanted a snap.
I'm like, hey, no.
No, no, no.
These are our friends.
He's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
michael malice
That was in Call of the Wild, too.
joe rogan
Was it?
michael malice
Yeah, like the dog killed the chickens and the owners like, don't do that.
And the dog was safe around them.
But at that point, it just showed how smart the dog was.
joe rogan
You can teach dogs to not do that.
michael malice
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
They just have to know that you'll be very upset with them if they do it.
And they get it in their head and they go, okay, I got it.
michael malice
It's not just that they're upset.
They know in-group versus out-group.
So they know to be a guardian, like this is something I protect, this is something I eat.
joe rogan
Yes, it's a part of the family.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And he doesn't even know.
Like, bro, you get eggs.
These are awesome.
Eggs are good for you.
Don't kill them, stupid.
For short-term gratification, I went to the bathroom once.
And I had just gotten home and opened the door, let him outside, and I took a leak.
And then as I closed the bathroom door and flushed, he had a squirrel in his mouth.
I was like, dude.
michael malice
Alive?
joe rogan
Not anymore.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
But he just got it.
michael malice
Well, sometimes the dogs will bring you like a living thing that they caught.
They're just mouthing it like birds or whatever.
joe rogan
He's a golden retriever.
michael malice
But are they really hunting?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're bird hunting dogs.
Retrievers.
That's what retrievers are for.
michael malice
I thought they retrieve it after you've killed it.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, you use them in hunting to retrieve.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
But they go after the animals, too.
Like, if the animal's wounded or whatever, they go after them.
michael malice
Got it, got it, okay.
joe rogan
But they want to bring it to you.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So his instinct is to bring this fucking...
I open up the bathroom door to stand there with a squirrel.
michael malice
Proud of himself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
He got lunch.
joe rogan
I don't know what to tell him.
I mean, you can't bring it back to life.
I'm not going to discourage him from this activity.
michael malice
Did you let him eat it?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
They do react to videos, though, which wouldn't be smell.
Because I've seen Carl even, like, a line popped up on, like, YouTube, and he just started fucking freaking out.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's like, what the fuck did he see?
joe rogan
If you bark in this room, Carl will go crazy.
michael malice
Is that true?
joe rogan
Yeah, we won't do it.
But I could do a really good dog.
It sounds like I'd get a low growl.
And Carl will like pop up.
I don't want to do it.
Because if I do it, he will go bananas.
michael malice
I was having so much fun with him.
unidentified
He's the best.
michael malice
I love Frenchies.
joe rogan
He fucking throws himself at you too.
michael malice
I know, he almost got my chin.
joe rogan
He leaps through the air to try to bite you.
He's such a little character.
michael malice
They're only bred to be fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, so if a dog could talk, they'd probably be annoying.
Like who?
michael malice
No, give me food.
Give me food.
Give me food.
joe rogan
Can we go play with the ball?
Not right now, dude.
I'm working.
How about now?
Yeah.
michael malice
And they think your whole day is spent going hunting for dog food.
joe rogan
Exactly.
michael malice
They think you leave to get dog food.
That's what they think you're doing all day.
joe rogan
Well, you kind of do.
michael malice
In a way?
joe rogan
It's not all day, but in a way.
You have to go fund that stuff.
But it is weird that, like, our thoughts of intelligence are based on communication.
Like, I wonder if we could decide...
So they think they're going to be able to do that with AI. It's one of the more interesting things about AI. They think they're going to be able to decipher dolphin languages.
Because right now, we know they talk.
We know they have accents.
We know they have dialects.
We don't know what they're saying.
michael malice
Would it be funny if they're like really racist against the killer whales?
joe rogan
There was a bit on that, like the Chappelle show.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, about a dolphin that was racist.
Wasn't it a Chappelle show?
Some, one of the sketch shows.
But, I mean, what are they saying?
michael malice
Well, they're also really horny.
joe rogan
Oh, they're not just horny.
They kill babies so that they make sure the woman keeps breeding.
michael malice
Lions do that too, yeah.
joe rogan
So the women fuck as many as the male dolphins as they can just so that they're protected because it might be my kid.
Who knows?
Let's not kill the kid.
Yeah.
Female lions do that too?
michael malice
Males.
joe rogan
Males.
michael malice
And male cats.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they kill.
michael malice
Yeah, they kill the kittens, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the female lions don't fuck as many males as they can, right?
But dolphins do that, because intellectually, the dolphin realizes, oh, I fucked her, that could be my baby.
michael malice
Wait, no, no.
I think female cats can have more than one parent in their litter.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, I think so, too.
Yeah.
Yeah, this...
It's so interesting like I would wonder if in the absence of human beings like imagine if something came some Magical switch got popped and human beings disappeared from the face of the earth I wonder how long it would take for an equally intelligent animal to emerge if ever Because we haven't been around that long.
michael malice
It's really not this smart.
It's been, what, like 50,000 years, if that?
100, 200,000?
joe rogan
They push it back a little more now.
And then there's also some new humans they're discovering, like the Denisovans, which I don't think they even discovered them until somewhere in the 2000s.
We don't even have the full fossil record of human species.
If you find something 10 years ago and it's a new kind of human, which the Denisovans are, who fucking knows how long we really go back?
But I think they think we go back in this form roughly a couple hundred thousand years.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
That's nothing.
joe rogan
It's a blink of an eye.
And then the Neanderthals, they lived a lot longer.
They were around for like half a million.
michael malice
Weren't they smarter than us?
joe rogan
Not necessarily.
We don't know.
We know they're a lot stronger than us and they ate primarily meat and they were like much more rugged.
michael malice
I thought people who have higher Neanderthal DNA tend to be more intelligent.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if that's true.
It's interesting.
I don't know if that's why either because sometimes hybrids— Hybrid vigor, yep.
Yeah, hybrid vigor.
That's the term for it.
That could be something along those lines.
Or it could be like maybe the ones that interbred with Neanderthals like had to become much more intelligent in order to overcome them.
We would just assume that Neanderthals were brutal.
michael malice
But humans were brutal then, too.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Humans were brutal.
And Neanderthals, apparently, they went after big game.
And they made weapons and tools.
A lot of them had broken bones.
And they had much more dense bone structure than ours.
Which only makes sense that they were brutal if they were doing that.
So they were probably ruthless in every regard.
And we probably had to kill them off.
And we probably merged with them in some sort of a way too, but they think the merging was almost all Neanderthal males and Homo sapiens females.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
They think that's...
michael malice
Because isn't like virtually everyone have a big chunk of Neanderthal DNA? Not everyone.
joe rogan
Mostly white European people have it.
michael malice
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Africans generally don't.
michael malice
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just interesting that all these different kinds of human existed along with like that hobbit man.
michael malice
I was just going to say, yeah.
Didn't they find out that he was actually just like a dwarf?
joe rogan
No, that was some speculation by some haters.
michael malice
The hobbit haters?
joe rogan
It was some anthropology haters.
Like, you didn't discover this.
This is bullshit.
michael malice
Something gets shot.
joe rogan
I think it's pretty much been established because of the amount of bones that they found.
This is a very specific animal.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
And they think that this very specific...
Also, there's a legend of these things.
And I think it was Vietnam.
They call him the Orang Pendek.
And this small, hairy man has been a legend forever.
michael malice
Well, I thought that was supposed to be what the orangutan was based.
Because the orangutan was found fairly recently.
It wasn't like the 1840s or something crazy?
joe rogan
I think gorillas were found in the 1900s.
michael malice
Yeah.
There's something nuts.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
I think the Orang Pendek, though, is an actual little tiny person.
A little tiny hairy man.
michael malice
But I think orangutan means hairy man of the forest.
joe rogan
Interesting.
michael malice
I think so.
joe rogan
Maybe they're related.
Maybe it's just like the etymology of the word.
michael malice
Yeah, who knows?
joe rogan
But that little creature, that little hairy creature had been talked about forever.
And everybody thought it was just bullshit.
michael malice
But everyone has like elves and dwarves.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think dragons are real?
michael malice
I had this big argument with my friend, Jesse, not that long ago.
Because it is...
Whenever...
Here's the thing.
When you have...
Every culture on earth having the same kind of myth, it's like there's got to be some starting point, like something's popped this off.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, and Forrest Galante, who's an actual biologist who studies wildlife, and he actually, he's done a lot of work trying to find the Tasmanian tiger, the thylacine.
Yes, they're over in Australia trying to find that guy.
michael malice
They're trying to claw him again.
joe rogan
I think it's somewhere else.
I think they're in New Guinea or somewhere, looking for live versions of it.
But whatever.
He thinks it might be a real...
There's a whole YouTube video of him describing it on this show, that he thinks dragons were a real thing.
michael malice
It's possible.
He obviously doesn't mean flying giant lizards.
joe rogan
Some large lizard creature.
Some large, you know, like probably terrifying predator that existed.
Maybe a holdover.
Look, we have crocodiles, right?
michael malice
No, we have crocodile dragons, yeah.
joe rogan
Crocodiles are a holdover.
And I was watching this video.
I'm getting this guy on the podcast soon.
But his video is about sightings in the 1800s of crocodiles in the Congo that might have been as many as 50 feet long.
michael malice
Yeah, but those measurements are so easy to kind of exact, especially if you're scared of something chasing you.
joe rogan
Sure, sure.
But they measured it up to the boat that they were on.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
And there's been a few of them.
Like one of them they saw that they think was about 40 feet.
They know they've found them.
I think the biggest one they ever found was like 28 feet.
It makes sense that those things, especially back then...
Yeah, look at the size of that fucker.
This is the drawing of what it looked like.
michael malice
Yeah, because don't crocodiles keep growing their whole lives?
joe rogan
Yeah, their whole life.
And they live forever.
They live forever.
So they had one that died of asphyxiation.
He died in captivity.
And I think he was 28 feet long.
michael malice
But what would a dragon...
How would it be a dragon?
Like, there's no question there were giant reptiles and they still are on Earth.
So what is a dragon going to literally mean?
It's not going to have wings, right?
joe rogan
Who knows?
I mean, pterodactyls had wings.
It probably doesn't breathe fire.
No, that doesn't make any sense.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
But if you thought about the history of large reptiles on this planet...
michael malice
Look at the anaconda.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
That's no joke.
That'll kill you in two seconds.
joe rogan
Paul Rosalie told me he was in the Congo, or in the Amazon, rather, and he wrapped his arms around them and he He couldn't get his hands touching.
He's like my size.
He couldn't get his arms around it.
Think of how big that is, man.
That's so insane.
He couldn't touch his hands around a snake.
michael malice
Right.
And we know that the megafauna have been driven to extinction, so things used to be bigger.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's also some sightings in the Congo back in the, I think, the 1700s or the 1800s of enormous snakes.
Snakes are like 100 feet long, like huge snakes.
Isn't there a photograph that someone took of an enormous snake, an old photograph out of an airplane?
michael malice
And they also just recently made forest elephants their own thing.
joe rogan
Forest elephants are different?
michael malice
Yeah, they're a new species.
They recategorized them as a new species now.
And pygmy hippos.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
michael malice
People didn't think they were real.
Like, oh, this hippo doesn't live in the water.
joe rogan
So this is the photo.
michael malice
Oh, but it's hard to figure out scale.
joe rogan
This is from, what is it from?
michael malice
It's a fake.
Oh, he says it's a fake.
joe rogan
No, it's a fake.
It's a crop photo of an anaconda, probably one close to 14 to 16 feet long, maybe 200 pounds.
So this is someone answered it.
Oh, so it's one of those...
michael malice
Perspective things.
joe rogan
Also like the Loch Ness Monster, that famous photo that turned out to be horseshit and everybody shared it forever.
So this is an old grainy photograph from 1950. So that's a fake.
Yeah, it looks kind of fake.
Now that I'm looking at it, it looks kind of shitty.
michael malice
It looks real, but we don't know the perspective.
joe rogan
But no, the lines look too clean.
The lines around it, like it's too defined.
michael malice
I see what you're saying.
joe rogan
The bottom of it, it's like way too defined.
Like the snakes, the outline of it looks like someone drew it like it's a tattoo.
It doesn't look like it.
The ground underneath it, why would it have shadows like that?
michael malice
What else is this thing?
The colossal squid, which is the biggest invertebrate, was only discovered in the 70s.
joe rogan
The largest spider was only discovered in 1981. Well, some of those squids, those giant squids, they didn't get photographic evidence of them until fairly recently.
michael malice
Yeah, because they live deep.
Sperm whales eat them.
joe rogan
You see that nutty one that looks like a crab that they found underneath one of those?
It's like a new species.
That they found under a oil rig.
michael malice
What do you mean?
joe rogan
They have this deep, deep camera under an oil rig.
And this fucking thing, look at this.
michael malice
Oh, that's a mega...
Oh, God, what's it called?
joe rogan
Look at its fucking length!
michael malice
It's a squid.
joe rogan
Look at its, like, crab-like tentacles.
michael malice
And they have the elbows.
They don't know what they're for.
Megapinna, it's called.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking thing, man.
michael malice
There's better footage of them.
joe rogan
I mean, that is an alien.
If that was on another planet.
If there was a planet that was filled with only water and we found that, we'd be freaking out.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
We found alien life.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It looks like an alien.
michael malice
It is, yeah.
They don't know why the fins are so...
Yeah, there it is, Megapenna.
joe rogan
The wildest thing to me is octopus.
Octopi are so bizarre.
They're not like anything else.
They can change their texture and their color to exactly match what's below them.
michael malice
You know, they put them on, like, a coddlefish, too.
They put them on, like, a checkerboard to see what happens.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they freak out.
Yeah.
It doesn't really work.
michael malice
Do you see they have robot coddlefish now, and the male coddlefish try to fuck them?
joe rogan
Whoa.
michael malice
Of course they did.
And then they change gender.
joe rogan
The male coddlefish are the little sneaky, like, male feminist coddlefish.
unidentified
There's two.
michael malice
There's the alphas...
And then the ones who pass is female and gets them on the side.
joe rogan
Yeah, little male feminists.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
They sneak in.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
They sneak into the women's room.
michael malice
Yeah, it's like Matt Iglesias.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
He's one of these shitlibs on the internet who's like, oh, Biden's not really dementia.
It's just the footage.
It's like, okay, buddy.
joe rogan
Shitlibs are awesome.
michael malice
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're fun.
You should only take their opinion if you can go up a giant hill with them.
michael malice
Why, push them off?
joe rogan
No, see, when you get tired and when you quit.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
How much is your opinion worthwhile, or how much are you just a weak person?
Not just weak physically, weak of spirit.
michael malice
A week of will.
It's about a hike.
That's the real toxic masculinity.
It's these types with the glasses and the bad hair line.
joe rogan
Oh, it's very toxic because it's the kind of masculinity that attacks stronger masculinity by default.
There's no objective analysis of anything that's strong.
There's no acknowledgments of certain merits and there's no looking at any positive.
It's only negative.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
It's negative.
Which gives rise to guys like Andrew Tate.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're like, fuck you!
They just stick it in your face.
Suck my dick.
michael malice
Well, this was a lot of the reasons people voted for Trump.
It was just like, oh, I can't vote for him?
Well, fuck you, I am.
Now what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
And what?
joe rogan
This is the fear that people have of a lot of this, you know, overreach that the government has in schools and all these different things.
It's going to give rise to, like, a very hardcore conservative uprising.
michael malice
I would call it right-wing, not conservative.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
It's not conservative at all.
Right-wing.
Yeah, a radical right-wing.
joe rogan
Right.
That that's the fear, is that things always go like that.
If you go so far left, things are going to go so far right to overcorrect.
There's going to be a movement.
michael malice
We've known this since time immemorial.
If you tell kids you're not allowed to smoke, it's like, oh, now I get to smoke and be a badass.
Or you can't have a drink, I get to drink and be a badass.
You tell them you can't have these ideas, they're like, oh yeah, watch me.
Now what?
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
michael malice
And it's radicalizing a lot of young people, which I think is wonderful, frankly.
joe rogan
Well, it's fascinating because out of rebellion comes some of the coolest shit sometimes.
You know, out of rebellion comes some of the coolest ideas, the coolest music.
Real rebellion.
Yes.
Resonates with you.
It's just sad when you watch those dudes who used to be rebels.
They get old and then they just fucking become conformists.
michael malice
And tell you to go get vaccinated.
joe rogan
Yeah, those guys.
michael malice
Yeah.
unidentified
So sad.
michael malice
Real punk is going to do what Pfizer says.
joe rogan
So sad.
When you get old, though, you get scared.
All these kids are going to catch that disease and I'm going to die.
michael malice
You know who the worst one of this is?
joe rogan
Who?
michael malice
Stern.
I don't know anyone who's fallen as hard as Howard Stern.
He was like my guy.
joe rogan
He believes all those things he's saying, which is crazy.
michael malice
You think so?
joe rogan
Yeah, he believes all the vaccine stuff.
michael malice
Oh, that he believes.
joe rogan
He believes all those things.
That you're a fool to not do it.
You shouldn't be a part of society.
It's unfortunate.
Because it's like, I don't know who he's talking to or what conversations he has or what he knows.
And I'm not saying that I'm an expert in any way, shape, or form.
But I was very lucky that I had access to a lot of people.
michael malice
So you're no Sanjay Gupta.
joe rogan
I'm no Sanjay Gupta.
I had access to a lot of people that explained things to me in a way that I'm like, oh.
Oh, I thought, nope.
Oh.
So how do they get that information?
That what?
michael malice
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the rules?
And the more you know about that stuff, the more you're going to question these things.
Everything in our society, if there's a narrative, I guarantee you someone's making money off that narrative, whether it's green energy or whether it's pro-vaccine or whatever it is, It's a money thing.
It's not a public health thing.
They're not really concerned about climate change.
They want to make sure that you're concerned about climate change so you vote and so that they can get these fucking things through and they can get more and more control over you.
michael malice
I had Dr. Drew on my show and a big moment for him because he's not a Jill Biden doctor.
He's a real doctor.
When COVID was hitting, he was asking very basic medical questions because there was this instant certainty.
And randos were yelling at him on Twitter, and he's like, I went to medical school.
I'm not a tinfoil hat jackass.
I'm like, this is just basic medical 101 stuff.
And I'm not even saying they're wrong.
I'm saying, how did you get to this conclusion?
Are we certain this is the best approach?
And the blowback—people already forgot how insane that blowback was and how censorious the regime was in terms of even just—and here's the thing.
If there's an emergency, like let's suppose there's an asteroid hitting the Earth.
Let's brainstorm.
Yeah, like, let's okay, what's gonna work?
Let's try this.
Let's try that.
Like we got we got an emergency.
We're not going to know right away what's going to be the best solution.
But the way they were acting was like, no, no, no, this is the only way.
I don't care if you have a negative vaccine test, you need to have a negative COVID test, you need to have a vaccine vaccination pass.
That's a year old to get into this restaurant makes no sense.
joe rogan
The whole thing was very strange.
michael malice
It must have been surreal for you, being one of the targets.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it was very weird.
But it was also so weird, because the thing that they were targeting me on...
Was so dumb.
It was so dumb.
I listed a list of things.
michael malice
We all watched it.
joe rogan
And they all went after this one thing.
I'm like, boy, that seems odd.
michael malice
Here's the way they went.
You remember how they went after it.
They went after it as if Joe Rogan goes to Petco, right?
And you wore like a Dave Smith disguise so no one recognized you.
And you grabbed the horse pace and you just injected yourself.
joe rogan
Injected it is hilarious, too.
michael malice
But that's kind of like what the impression was, where it's like, worst case scenario, your quack doctor told you to do this, right?
joe rogan
Worst case scenario.
But what's really crazy is that they did it with that particular drug.
Knowing the history of that drug, the fact that the guy won a Nobel Prize on it for humans, knowing the fact that it had been given to billions, billions of prescriptions had been filled.
michael malice
And here's the thing.
If they cared about being honest and saving lives, there would have been consequences.
And there were no consequences for any of these people other than you clowning Sandra Gupta in this chair.
joe rogan
Well, there also should be an understanding of why a person got through it easy and why some people don't.
michael malice
Right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I'm not that young.
michael malice
I gotta ask you.
I gotta ask you.
I gotta ask.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael malice
Let's get our tinfoil, more tinfoil hats.
Do you think Biden really had COVID last week, two weeks ago?
joe rogan
It made him grow.
If you get it when you're 81, you grow.
michael malice
It's called Grovid.
unidentified
What?
michael malice
Maybe we should get some of that shit.
joe rogan
I wish.
I know we could use it.
I don't know what to believe anymore.
It's so hard.
When you saw the letter that was written, it didn't have the presidential seal on it.
michael malice
Right.
And it wasn't his signature.
joe rogan
No.
So there's that, and then there's no video of him saying that until far later?
michael malice
Why would they even test him for it?
Like, if he had symptoms, you would think it's the flu.
Let's treat him like the flu.
joe rogan
It's a good thing to say.
Say he's got COVID. Like, oh, well, shut it down.
michael malice
But he wasn't wearing a mask.
joe rogan
Shut it down!
michael malice
And this idea of COVID where you can't go on screen?
joe rogan
Shut it down!
He's got the COVID! He's gonna give it to you through the screen.
Well, also, it's like...
michael malice
If you're 81 and you get COVID, it's not looking so good for you.
Like, I don't care if you're the president or somebody else.
Like, it's a bad scene.
joe rogan
I read something again.
Read it.
Might not be real.
But they had given him 10 doses of Paxlovid.
And then one of my friends who's a doctor was like, that is way more than you're supposed to give someone.
Like, why would they give him that?
Find out if that's true.
Because that might have just been some...
Here's the thing.
We're dealing with so much misinformation, so many trolls, so much bullshit.
It's so hard.
Sixth dose of Paxlovid on Saturday.
And according to his doctor, he's improving steadily.
Biden, 81, tested positive for COVID-19 while campaigning in Las Vegas on Wednesday.
He self-isolated his home in Delaware by receiving the oral antiviral pill.
How many are you supposed to take of those?
Six doses?
michael malice
That seems like a lot.
joe rogan
What is the side effects of Paxlovin?
Does it have any side effects?
michael malice
It turns your wife into a selfish, silly, entitled cunt.
joe rogan
Only according to your son.
The rest of it, my favorite video was when after the debate, you answered all the questions!
I know.
michael malice
You did great, Joe!
joe rogan
He's just standing there.
He's gone.
We've all seen a guy like that.
If you live long enough and you have grandparents or you have friends' grandparents, you're going to see someone like that.
This is the end.
And when she's talking to him, and she's got power for the first time.
michael malice
Yes, that's what I was saying.
joe rogan
She's doing talking at speeches and stuff.
She's up there talking.
michael malice
It was like misery.
She was Kathy Bates.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
michael malice
She's like, I've got you in my house.
You're staying here.
Here's the other thing that's funny.
How badly do you have to fuck up a debate to lose your house and your job?
Like, that is, I think, historically unprecedented.
joe rogan
How did he lose his house?
michael malice
He's getting kicked out of the White House.
joe rogan
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, he's still allowed to be there to the end, right?
Yeah, but- Allegedly.
This tall guy.
michael malice
They're not renewing the lease.
joe rogan
Once he got taller, I think he's going to change things.
michael malice
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, because on these new drugs, he's going to say, listen, guys, give me another chance at this.
This stuff that made me grow six inches, like, I fucking got it, man.
Not only do I got it, I think I'm better than I've ever been before.
michael malice
You know, I sent away for this drug that would grow me by six inches, and it was a fraud.
I'm still at four.
joe rogan
Well, you can get those things done where they break your leg and stretch you out.
michael malice
There was a guy called, what was his name?
He deleted his Instagram.
He was like this power lifter.
joe rogan
Oh, I saw that guy.
Did he delete it?
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably got tired of people shitting on him.
michael malice
Yeah, it was...
joe rogan
He was a giant guy already.
michael malice
Yeah, he was like, what, 280?
6'2"?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he wanted to be 6'8".
michael malice
And he thought he was small.
joe rogan
So he got his legs...
michael malice
That's by dysmorphia.
And he was away from his family for like a year.
unidentified
Oh my God.
michael malice
Got my knees done.
Was that his handle, I think?
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, that's crazy.
There's a lot of people that have done that.
They've got their legs and even their arms.
They've got their arms lengthened.
michael malice
Well, if you're going to get the legs, otherwise you look like a penguin, right?
joe rogan
You look weird.
Unless you were a dude with like crazy long arms to begin with.
michael malice
Isn't it the thing where you can't ever walk, you can't run anymore?
joe rogan
No, we thought that too, but you can.
There was a guy that Jamie found that got it done.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
And he shows the difference and then you see him sprinting.
michael malice
And that man's name is Joe Biden.
joe rogan
It's so quick.
He grew six inches in a week.
This new one they have is just way better.
It's just a pill.
It's Pax Lovitz.
Six toes to six inches.
Imagine if it cures COVID, but you grow an inch.
unidentified
Guys would be like, oh, I got COVID. The Joe Rogan Experience sponsor of Max Love It.
It'll get you taller.
michael malice
Forget that horse face.
joe rogan
At the end of the fucking five seasons from now, my head's scraping on the ceiling.
I become a freak.
Like that guy, that famous guy from the, you know that guy from the 1970s?
It was like a beautiful, handsome man.
And then he kept injecting stuff into his face.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hold on.
I'll send it.
Because I sent it to Tom Segura.
Me and Tom Segura send each other the most horrific shit that we can find.
michael malice
I get boomer memes from you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those are fun.
michael malice
They are fun.
joe rogan
Boomer memes are fun.
unidentified
I'm sitting here like Joe Rogan's just texting me a boomer meme.
joe rogan
It's so fun.
If I can get a smile on Michael Malice's face.
unidentified
It works.
I'm serious.
joe rogan
I got to find this dude.
I send Tommy so much shit.
We send each other so much shit.
Our feed is just a gross disaster.
Oh, this is the old Tom Scott.
Hold on.
He's got a new phone number.
michael malice
The one of the best texts I ever got, I got a text from Rosanna.
She said, W2F with two question marks.
And I thought, okay, she's a boomer.
She sees something on her screen.
She thinks I can see it, too.
And I'm like, what do you mean?
unidentified
She goes, you don't call me.
Like, what's going on with you?
I'm worried.
It was so sweet.
joe rogan
All right, here it is, Jamie.
I want to send it to you.
I don't know what the fuck this guy was doing.
I guess this is all...
Why is this not...
There we go.
I just had a Jamie.
So, this is what he...
Well, I want you to see the whole thing.
michael malice
Okay.
joe rogan
Because it starts out in 1969. He's a gorgeous man.
Like, beautiful, handsome man.
And then, over time, homeboy goes crazy.
Go full screen so he can see, like...
michael malice
Oh.
joe rogan
So, 1980s, beautiful, handsome man.
Now it starts getting a little weird in 88. But I think that's just age.
That's 91. That's just age.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just age.
Now.
Things start getting weird.
Oh, no.
This is the beginning.
michael malice
Oh, I know this guy.
joe rogan
2004. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now it gets crazy.
Look at the chin.
Something's going nutty.
Now the cheeks...
He's trying to avoid the wrinkles, so he's turning his face into a fucking balloon.
And I guess it's just body dysmorphia.
Now 2010. But it gets real crazy.
Now he's done his lips.
2013, it starts getting real crazy.
Look at that.
2015. I mean, now it's just nuts.
Now it looks like you got attacked by a swarm of bees.
michael malice
That's gotta be a wig or something.
joe rogan
Something.
Look at that.
I mean, Jesus Christ.
And it gets worse.
So the head keeps getting bigger.
Look at 2019. I mean, that's just absolutely insane.
Now, look at it.
Now, if that guy just let himself age, he would just be an old, good-looking guy.
But instead, he went nutty.
Because that's body dysmorphia, where people can't see what they look like.
michael malice
Yeah, I had body dysmorphia.
Not facially, but body, and it's gone away.
You know what stopped it?
I'm not even kidding.
I've talked to you about this a little bit.
A few things did it, but this was like the moment where I was like, okay, this is done.
I was at Gold's, and there was a young dude there, early 20s, I'd say, who had striated delts.
And I was like, wow, that's so cool.
And then my brain said to myself, I swear to God this way, I go, you were just at the Tesla factory at two in the morning with Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, and Jordan Peterson.
And you go tell that kid that you think you're jealous of his striated delts, and he will look at you like you're a crazy person.
And that was when it clicked like, holy shit, this is fucking insane.
No one cares about your fucking striated delts.
joe rogan
Except your girlfriend.
michael malice
No, they don't care.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
michael malice
They don't fucking care, no.
They think it's gross.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Which girls are you banging?
michael malice
They don't like that bodybuilder build at all.
joe rogan
What do they like?
michael malice
When we were at...
joe rogan
Chris Helmsworth?
michael malice
When we were...
joe rogan
Thin layer of fat over...
michael malice
Do you know what else it was?
When we were at the mothership opening night, this guy came in, and I've met him since, I don't remember his name.
He was a bodybuilder, like in his 50s.
The chillest dude.
Really nice, very friendly, no attitude.
I'm sure you know who I'm talking about.
Again, I don't remember his name.
His name is Chris, maybe?
Immediately, everyone in the room is like this guy's outgroup, outsider.
It wasn't like this guy's cool.
It was like he's not one of us.
And I saw the energy change, and I'm like, holy shit, if this was something people thought was awesome, everyone would be treating him very differently.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on the group that you're in, right?
michael malice
Of course it depends on the group, but this was—the normal people don't— They look at that as freakish, not as admirable.
Like when girls have those huge implants, at a certain point, it's not hot.
It's just like there's something wrong with you.
joe rogan
Right, you went crazy.
michael malice
You went crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's what happened to that guy's face.
You went crazy.
But isn't it interesting that there's something wrong with us where we can't see what we really look like?
Perspective is very difficult to acquire.
When you're in the middle of that mental illness.
michael malice
When you realize, like, holy shit, my brain is lying to itself, it's very scary.
joe rogan
Oh, it must be when you look in the mirror and you see your face, you're like, oh my god.
unidentified
Oh, him?
michael malice
I don't know.
What does he see?
joe rogan
Who knows, man?
And I think once you've got to that point, like, what are you going to do?
Are you going to get it removed?
michael malice
Well, then it becomes your thing, right?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know.
michael malice
You're that guy.
joe rogan
Oh, god damn.
unidentified
Because I could have just got a face left, buddy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
What's her name?
jamie vernon
They're twins, so you were seeing maybe both of them during that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, they both do it.
They both have the same thing.
They both have the same issue.
michael malice
What about Matt Gaetz?
joe rogan
Who's Matt Gaetz?
michael malice
The congressman.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he did his eyebrows.
michael malice
Not just.
He got something with the cheek, too.
joe rogan
Oh, did he?
Whoopsies.
Yeah, you can't do that if you're a public person and all of a sudden your eyebrows are like a 45-year-old housewife.
michael malice
Yeah, he looked like a real housewife.
joe rogan
Yeah, like Miami.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got a frozen forehead.
michael malice
No, but the cheek implants and...
Oh, and fillers.
Yeah, fillers.
It was implants or fillers.
It was something nuts.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy, too, that for a politician, like, your wrinkles and the weathered look on your face is actually good for your career.
michael malice
No, it isn't.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
Oh, I think so.
I think if you look at a guy like RFK, the voice is a problem.
But the way he looks, the fact that he's this intelligent, worldly guy that's seen a lot, had a lot of life.
You don't want a smooth-faced dude.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That is literally crazy.
michael malice
That's cheekbone stuff, come on.
unidentified
And the nose, too.
joe rogan
Well, it's tough to tell because it's a different angle.
unidentified
That's not a natural nose, and I should know.
joe rogan
You might be right.
Wow.
But the forehead and the eyebrows are crazy.
michael malice
Okay, maybe the nose is natural from that angle.
I could be wrong.
joe rogan
But that is a crazy look.
That's a crazy look.
michael malice
But the thing is, he used to be the chubby kid.
So I'm sure in his head, he's still always going to be that chubby slob kid.
Even though, like, Matt, you looked fine before.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
But it's, again, with these Biden bills, it wasn't going to get bigger.
They're never happy with, like, dude, you hit 240. You're just like, you're fine.
joe rogan
You know how we could save society?
michael malice
By electing Kamala Harris as president.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And then have a reality show where all the congresspeople have cameras that follow them and get to know the real them.
michael malice
Oh, God.
Well, that's called Veep.
joe rogan
See them in their house.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Except that's not a reality show.
michael malice
Julia Louis-Dreyfus blocked me because she was saying, go out and vote.
And I go, you won five Emmys for showing that politicians are all sociopaths.
Blocked.
unidentified
She blocked?
michael malice
Yeah, but I don't blame her, but it's true.
joe rogan
It is true.
But you don't blame her that she blocked you?
michael malice
I don't blame her.
joe rogan
Really?
michael malice
I block people very liberally.
Do you?
Yeah, I don't hear it.
joe rogan
You just block people?
michael malice
Yes, of course.
joe rogan
Fuck them.
michael malice
Well, I'm not there to be annoyed.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
They can disagree with me.
That's fine.
But if you're going to be playing gotcha games, I don't hear it.
joe rogan
Blocked.
michael malice
Blocked.
joe rogan
That's Lex.
Lex is a blocking fool.
michael malice
Lex?
He's worse than me.
All my people are like, can you get Lex to unblock me?
joe rogan
He just wants positive interactions only.
michael malice
Which is fine.
joe rogan
But it's not the internet.
But I guess you could cultivate a place where you only have positive influences.
michael malice
Or you could have negative in the sense of respectful.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
Or negative in like...
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
Or like...
The thing is with the internet, whenever there's a question mark, it instantly becomes like an improv show.
And like as any improv show, it's just torture.
It's just like...
Like these are not funny.
Like everyone says the same stupid lines.
It's rough.
And don't get me started on the boomers.
My God.
joe rogan
What do you mean by a question mark?
michael malice
Like if I say...
Is it just me or is it blah, blah, blah?
Why is my body at my age still making you farts?
And the things that they reply, some of them are going to be very funny because it's farts, but some of them are just going to be like, oh my god, just relax.
So I avoid question marks as much as possible.
unidentified
Well, there's a lot of very angry people out there in the world.
michael malice
Yeah, no shit.
joe rogan
And they love to express themselves in this very strange way on social media.
It's a strange way to interact with people.
And they love it.
michael malice
I do.
Like, if I go to someone's feed and all their comments are just hostility, you suck, fuck you, you've got to block those people.
You don't want that energy around you.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want it.
And it's not...
I don't know how many of those people are even real people.
There's a few of those people...
michael malice
I think there's a lot of real people like that.
Come on.
joe rogan
100%.
But there's also anytime there's a politically charged issue or a person who's engaging in politically charged issues like you do, you're going to have a bunch of bots that are attacking you and a bunch of bots on your page and a bunch of people that aren't real people.
There's a lot of them.
I'm sure you're aware.
michael malice
I thought that that was nonsense and it's not.
And I've seen enough receipts that it's like, holy shit, this really is a thing.
joe rogan
Well, you know that FBI guy, the former FBI analyst who said that he estimated that somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% of all accounts on Twitter were bots?
michael malice
80?
joe rogan
80. 8-0.
michael malice
Holy crap.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if he's right, but I know that they wouldn't supply Elon with the information necessary for him to find out whether or not it's more than five, which is what they were claiming.
They were claiming somewhere in the neighborhood.
But he said that they based that on like 100 accounts, like a random 100 accounts.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So that's due small of a sample size.
michael malice
But 80 is still...
joe rogan
FBI agent confirms Elon Musk's claim of undercounting bot accounts on Twitter by conducting his own research.
So his estimation was 80%, I believe.
What does it say where it says it?
unidentified
Yeah, right there.
joe rogan
Right at the top, Jamie.
Oh, here it goes.
When I consider the volume and velocity of automation we're seeing today, the sophistication of bots that a given set of incentives is likely to attract, and the relative lack of countermeasures I saw in my own research, I can only come to one conclusion.
All likelihood, more than 80% of Twitter accounts are actually bots.
This, of course, is my opinion.
michael malice
But, I mean, there are bots where, like, if you reply something, all the replies will be like, oh, check out Bitcoin, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Sure.
michael malice
But then there's also those more sophisticated bots.
joe rogan
Yes.
michael malice
Where, like, if you're going to go after Trump or go after Biden, they're going to swarm you and be like, actually, blah, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
And I bet all the candidates use them.
I mean, I bet it's legal right now.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, it was essentially propaganda, right?
michael malice
But they have bots made out of meat.
You have people like Brooklyn Dad and Harry Sisson.
They're bots.
joe rogan
Right, essentially.
michael malice
What's that girl, JoJo, whatever her name is?
joe rogan
So how does that work?
Are those people paid?
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Who pays them?
michael malice
They see the DNC or the campaigns.
We have the receipts for these people.
By the way, it's not at all just the Democrats.
There's Republican operatives as well.
Let's make that very clear.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
I have a friend who has a Republican Instagram page, and he reached out to me to tell me that people were contacting him.
Asking him to do videos and that if he did those videos, they'd pay him money.
It's like thousands of dollars.
michael malice
I want that.
Like, give me that goo.
joe rogan
You can get that goo.
michael malice
I'm for sale.
joe rogan
Oh, good.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
That's good to know because I've been talking to some people and I was going to breach this with you, but I'm glad you brought it up on your own.
michael malice
Perfect.
joe rogan
Well, how much do you charge to lie?
michael malice
Oh, lying I do for free.
It costs money for you to tell the truth.
unidentified
For free?
joe rogan
But propaganda, if you want to be a bot.
Like, who would you be a bot for?
The Libertarians?
No?
Anarchy?
michael malice
Who would I be a bot for?
You know who I'd be a bot for?
unidentified
Who?
joe rogan
Betterman.
I kind of like him.
michael malice
I love him.
joe rogan
I like him now.
I used to think, why doesn't that guy...
michael malice
I donated to his campaign.
joe rogan
I used to think, why does that guy put a suit on?
Then I realized, why don't I put a suit on?
michael malice
Exactly.
joe rogan
You know?
I have this fucking huge podcast and I wear hoodies.
He wears hoodies.
michael malice
His whole point is...
joe rogan
He's my people.
michael malice
I shouldn't be taken seriously just because I'm a senator.
And I got to tell you, for me to say something positive to a politician takes a lot.
The barrier's so low.
For someone to go on public record and talk about his mental health problems, that could help a lot of people.
And I thought it was very commendable of him to do that.
joe rogan
Also, watching him bounce back from his stroke.
michael malice
I know.
joe rogan
I thought the dude was toast.
michael malice
Yes, we all did.
joe rogan
Right?
Because when you stumble with words that bad, you struggle with thinking that bad, but it was just post-stroke.
But then, here we are.
What is it like?
At least...
Two years later?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Two years after?
michael malice
2022, yeah.
joe rogan
Seems fine and reasonable.
And like saying a lot of stuff that he's like, I'm a progressive.
This is not what I stand for.
michael malice
No, he said I'm not a progressive anymore.
joe rogan
Right.
He used to be.
And he used to be what a progressive, what he thought of a progressive.
michael malice
Yeah, he was the first one to tell Menendez to resign.
And now Menendez is resigning from his own party.
So I love him.
By the way, Senator Fetterman, if you want to join with me and do a remake of Twins, I'm totally down.
joe rogan
Do you think that guy would ever run for president?
michael malice
I hope so.
joe rogan
See, he's a reasonable, like, actual left-wing person.
unidentified
He'd win in two seconds.
michael malice
He's a moderate.
joe rogan
Right.
But would they ever let a guy like that even get close?
Like, would they Tulsi Gabbard him?
michael malice
Well, Tulsi was only a congresswoman from Hawaii.
She didn't have a big base.
joe rogan
She wasn't a governor.
michael malice
Right.
Bernie was her guy, and she ran against him at Elizabeth Warren, so they're splitting that base three ways.
I think he'd have a great shot, don't you?
joe rogan
I do.
I do now.
michael malice
But getting past the primary would be tough, because the machine wouldn't like him, because he's not reliable.
Biden was reliable.
He's a party hack.
joe rogan
And he would do speeches with a hoodie on.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this guy.
This is outrageous.
michael malice
Is it outrageous?
joe rogan
No.
michael malice
His whole point is we work for you.
joe rogan
Yes.
No, no, he's very reasonable.
I'm shocked because I used to make fun of him.
I used to think, like, this is so crazy that this guy can't talk and he's going to run for governor and then he won.
I was like, oh, well, that's...
But he won against Dr. Oz.
michael malice
Who's the worst?
joe rogan
Well, you know, the guy got brought up in front of Congress for making fake weight loss claims.
michael malice
You don't go from supporting Jussie Smollett to being a Trump supporter.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
You're a complete phony and a clown.
And what was even funnier was when Oprah came out and twisted the knife and endorsed Fetterman at the last minute.
Do you remember that?
unidentified
Oh.
michael malice
And he was her boy.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
Oprah did that?
michael malice
Oh, yes, she did.
joe rogan
Fetterman now, I wonder how many people that endorsed him back then will endorse him now that he's like outside of the...
michael malice
I don't think he got many endorsements.
joe rogan
But I mean, how many people that were like okay with him are still, you know?
Because if he's speaking the way he's speaking and talking about these issues...
michael malice
You know what could make it happen?
unidentified
What?
michael malice
If Trump wins again, there's going to be a lot of soul-searching in the Democratic Party about like, hey, where we lose track, that we're losing to who they perceive as this complete putz.
And that would be an opportunity for someone like Fetterman like it was for Clinton in 92 to be like, okay, I'm going to steer this party back to where middle America is and we could win on those terms.
joe rogan
If they were going to do that, wouldn't they have done that after Trump's first term and said they ran with Biden?
michael malice
Well, they didn't do that for Trump's first term because, first of all, Hillary got millions more votes.
Second of all, they were too busy losing their minds to think strategically.
This would be a little different.
joe rogan
I mean, after.
But after they ran with Biden, there was plenty of young, enthusiastic people they could have ran with.
michael malice
Yeah, but I think Biden, for them, you knew he was safe.
He's a safe democratic vote.
You know what he's going to say.
He's going to play the party game.
And he's kind of tried and tested.
He knows how Washington works.
joe rogan
It's kind of like one of those things where it's like, it's my term.
michael malice
It's my time.
It's hard to hate him because he's just this sad old man in a basement.
It was a lot easier.
I don't think it would have been as easy to put over Klobuchar or Buttigieg.
They certainly don't want Sanders because he'd be a loose cannon.
joe rogan
Yeah, they didn't want Sanders at all costs.
But I don't believe Buttigieg would work either.
He says a lot of salad.
michael malice
He's a kid.
You don't go from South Bend to...
First of all, here's another reason why I think she's in trouble, Officer Harris.
Buttigieg raised more money than her.
joe rogan
Yeah, but don't you think they're all just going to get behind her?
michael malice
No, no, I do.
But my point is, if you, when you're running for president in 2020, can't raise as much money as a senator from California, as the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, your Rolodex is not good.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But that is just trying to get through the primaries.
michael malice
Sure.
joe rogan
But they weaseled her in there.
michael malice
Right.
joe rogan
Just shoehorned her right in.
Which was always the fear when Biden was elected president.
Like, hey, if anything happens to him, look...
michael malice
I don't think it's a given that the people are going to write the checks for her that they would have done for him.
joe rogan
Is it said and done that she's going to be the candidate for president?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
It's not?
michael malice
She has enough delegates, as of right now.
joe rogan
Harris raised $200 million.
Now, do you know how that works, though?
Here's what's interesting about that.
Do you know what astroturfing is?
michael malice
Yes, of course.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So explain to people how they do that.
michael malice
Well, there's different ways to do astroturfing.
joe rogan
One of the things they do is they attribute...
They attribute donations to people that didn't really donate them.
michael malice
But it's not only that.
There's no question that a lot of these donors, thanks to James Carville, who's a Democratic strategist for many, many years, James Carville said, hold your donations if Biden's the nominee.
That's the only pressure you have.
And they did.
The donations trickled to a zero.
And that's one of the reasons Pelosi and the others freaked out.
Once they switch, they're ready to write those checks again.
The question is, it's July.
Are you going to be able to sustain this fundraising through November?
And I don't know that she will.
unidentified
Really?
michael malice
Because she didn't last time.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael malice
One more thing.
There's no question that whoever is the nominee of either party is going to get a fuck ton of money.
That's not in dispute.
The question is, is she going to be as good as a Hillary, who had the Rolodex, the favors, it's my turn, she had Wall Street, she had Hong Kong.
She had Wall Street, she had Hollywood, she had DC, she had everybody.
Kamala Harris, no one likes her.
That's a big difference.
But then people don't like Trump either, so that's a big problem for him.
joe rogan
So how could it work that they would get rid of her?
How would that possibly happen?
michael malice
You mean publicly or privately?
joe rogan
All of the above, because it seems like...
michael malice
Well, privately, you'd have to be blackmailed.
You'd have to sit her down and be like, here's what's going to happen.
If you don't drop down yourself, then we're going to do X, Y, and Z. But she's already said she's wrong.
Yeah, but she could...
I mean, who knows what they got on her?
joe rogan
Did you not see the phone call she had with the Obamas?
It was amazing.
It was so candid.
It definitely wasn't planned at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They happened to have a camera on her while she got a phone call from the Obamas.
michael malice
It was beautiful.
I am surprised how quickly they flipped the candidate.
Without any pretense of having some kind of competition.
joe rogan
Well, I think they were feeling like they couldn't win.
Right, but the point is I'm shocked that they went immediately with her as plan B. Because she is the one that is in the administration now, which means all the people that have jobs keep their jobs.
So they're all very motivated.
michael malice
That's not what that means.
joe rogan
Doesn't?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Well, she could get rid of some of them.
michael malice
That's what happened when Lyndon Johnson took over, when George Bush took over for Reagan.
They clean house.
They bring in their own guys, of course.
joe rogan
You think she would do that?
michael malice
Are you kidding?
She would make it look like a Benetton ad.
unidentified
She's not...
michael malice
She's the nominee from Netflix.
unidentified
She's going to make it all DEI. Who could possibly take over?
joe rogan
How would they do that?
michael malice
They would have had to have forced her not to declare, which would have been a very tough move.
Because if she's not the nominee now, here's my 4D chess.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
4D chess.
michael malice
4D chess.
joe rogan
With Michael Mellon.
michael malice
Biden is like, all right, we put her up.
We know she's going to lose.
She's not going to be governor of California.
She's not going to be senator.
Her career is done.
And that was his kind of legacy, getting rid of her once and for all.
unidentified
Because otherwise, she's going to be the nominee or a very strong case for it in 2028. Right, but don't you think that if she runs in 2024, that's very likely, there's a possibility, like more than 50-50, that she wins?
michael malice
I don't think it's more than 50-50.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
I do.
michael malice
I don't think it's more than 50-50 at all.
joe rogan
I think there's so many people that are opposed to the idea of Trump.
michael malice
That's true.
joe rogan
Quiet.
They're not like the Trump people are loud.
In support of Trump, they go to the rallies, they fill up stadiums, and so people in their head, they go, oh, he's more popular.
But the people that are not willing to vote for him, they're on the quiet tip, and they might talk amongst their friends, and they might talk at work, but they're not going to these rallies.
michael malice
She didn't even make Iowa last time.
joe rogan
The last time.
michael malice
So we got us three months of hurricane.
This is a woman who cracks herself up because she sees a school bus and goes, the wheels and the bus go around and around.
joe rogan
You know, you didn't just fall off a coconut tree.
Do you know that?
michael malice
Yeah, her mom says that.
Kamala, you did not just fall off a coconut tree.
joe rogan
You exist in the context of...
michael malice
Yeah.
So I think this is going to be...
And here's the other thing.
How is it you're going up for that debate...
And when Tulsi hits you with your record, you don't have a counterpunch ready.
That makes no sense.
joe rogan
She didn't have to.
She knew they were going to bury it.
michael malice
But they didn't bury it.
It ruined her campaign.
joe rogan
It ruined her career.
It ruined her campaign.
I think at the time she thought they were going to bury it.
michael malice
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
She thought they weren't going to bring it up.
I mean, there was a lot of people that were very high on her.
They thought she was going to be the one.
michael malice
That's true.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
And they were wrong.
But maybe they're right now.
joe rogan
But they thought that about Biden, too.
Remember?
Back in the day, we got busted for plagiarism in 88. He was never the guy.
But he was running for president in 1988. Sure.
michael malice
I mean, Delaware.
joe rogan
But again, just like they took her out, they took him out.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And he came back and became president.
michael malice
Yeah, like what, 20 years later?
joe rogan
No, 40 years later.
Yeah, but this time has accelerated.
Forty years is four years now.
Plus, she's got the experience, international experience, of being the vice president of the United States.
michael malice
And never the border czar.
That never happened.
joe rogan
That never happened.
michael malice
You're crazy.
joe rogan
Despite the fact that people say she was the border czar, newly appointed border czar.
michael malice
No, the Republicans made that up and had a time machine.
joe rogan
It's a cheap fake.
Those are cheap fakes.
It's just such a wild time.
And most people don't even...
The average person that's going about their job and occasionally watching the news and occasionally paying attention to the news feed on their phone, they have no idea what's going on, how nutty it all is.
michael malice
Yes, but until they do.
It's like gradually and then suddenly, like with the Biden debate.
If the corporate comedians had done, like Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel and all the other Jon Stewart's other bastard children had done their job and made fun of Biden for four years about being an old fart, that debate wouldn't have landed as hard as it did.
The fact that it was a complete 180 for what we were being told is what really did him in.
So the more they're trying to hype her up now, and of course she's the new nominee, she's the greatest thing that's ever happened, she's basically another Oprah.
Once she starts opening her mouth, and here's the thing I predict, she's notoriously difficult to work for.
The New York Times, the New York Post covered this at the time.
Wait until people who are trying to get her into the White House start leaking to the press.
And what a nightmare she is to work with.
That is going to undermine a lot of stuff for her, too.
She's not like Hillary.
unidentified
Everyone's...
michael malice
Linda...
What was her name?
Linda Bloodworth went to jail for Hillary.
People ride or die with her.
Kamala's a different story.
joe rogan
Well, she had a really high turnover of her staff, right?
michael malice
90%.
joe rogan
That's great.
What's normal?
michael malice
I don't know, but it's not 90 in like a year.
unidentified
Oof.
michael malice
Yeah.
It's not just that they left.
It's that they left and went to the press and be like, she doesn't do her homework and then she yells at me for not being prepared.
They went leaked.
People leave these offices all the time, but they don't leak.
joe rogan
But it's just so wild that the media is all behind her now.
michael malice
Why is it wild?
joe rogan
Because it's interesting.
It's just wild to see.
michael malice
The 180?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
The shamelessness?
joe rogan
It's wild to see.
michael malice
Yeah, but what's even wilder is seeing it through Twitter.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
Because you see their 180 switch and then people are like, you guys were just saying something different two weeks ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
It's hilarious.
Thank you, Elon, again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh my God, thank you, Elon.
Because if it wasn't for him, first of all, he changes the watermark for all the other ones.
The things that all the other social media companies would have blocked you for, more stuff is slipping through the cracks now.
Right.
Less people are getting banned, I think, in these other social media networks because it highlights.
michael malice
And in their defense, broadly speaking, what's the point of me banning this person if they're going to be in these other nine sites or even one other site?
It's not actually accomplishing the purpose.
It's just a waste of time.
And I'm alienating potential subscribers or users.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's wild, man.
It's a strange, strange time.
Again, it's like the Coliseum people.
michael malice
But do you know what's even funnier?
Is that Blue-pilled people on the left have been told and believe that Trump is scared to debate her.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's funny.
michael malice
They think this.
joe rogan
You really think they think that?
michael malice
Yes.
No, they don't have thoughts, but that's what they say.
joe rogan
They think that because she's young.
michael malice
No, because she's a prosecutor and she's tough.
joe rogan
Yeah, tough.
michael malice
Hashtag girl boss.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
And she's a prosecutor and he's a crook, so she's going to put him in his place and everyone will clap.
joe rogan
That's going to be interesting if they do debate.
michael malice
They're going to do debate.
Several.
joe rogan
If he lives.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think they're going to try to take him out again?
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do too.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
If they did that, this is not the only time they're going to do that.
And then, also, that one was so Lee Harvey Oswald.
It was so perfect lone gunman.
michael malice
At a certain point, if you're that sloppy, you're in on it.
joe rogan
Someone had to at least know that he was under threat and done a piss poor job.
They didn't care.
michael malice
I don't think that literally they worked with this Crooks kid at all.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
michael malice
I don't think so.
joe rogan
What about the data that shows that someone near the FBI office in D.C. was visiting this kid?
michael malice
Being on their radar screen is not the same as colluding with him.
joe rogan
Meeting with him.
michael malice
Right.
I don't know that them checking him out is the same thing as he's working for.
joe rogan
Why would they check him out?
michael malice
Who knows why?
There's lots of reasons to check somebody out.
joe rogan
Are you working for the government right now?
michael malice
Yes, obviously.
joe rogan
Do you already get paid?
michael malice
I'm Mossad, yeah.
I got paid my shuttles.
joe rogan
I didn't get Mossad.
michael malice
Yes, you did.
unidentified
I didn't.
No.
michael malice
I gave you the briefcase.
joe rogan
I didn't open it.
I was scared.
michael malice
Point being, I think they just didn't care.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
And if it's your job to protect someone's life and you don't really care, at a certain point, something's going to happen.
joe rogan
The whole thing was very strange.
It's just very strange.
unidentified
This kid's past and Blackwater commercial.
michael malice
Yeah.
And also the idea that, again, the media is like, meh, whatever.
Yeah, it's fine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's also the news cycle today.
It's so rapid.
It's like working on an assembly line.
Like, you don't have time to check parts.
You gotta put that fucker on, there's another one coming.
michael malice
They were talking about the debate for weeks.
joe rogan
True.
michael malice
And they were not talking about this like they were talking about the debate.
joe rogan
Do you think that they set him up, they knew that Biden was compromised, and they let him debate on purpose?
No.
Because they could have said no debate.
michael malice
No, because I think, first of all, I think, again, he's fine in the State of the Union.
He probably has good days and bad days.
And even the bad days are probably exceptionally bad.
And I think he has his people.
I'm the president, Jill Biden.
Who's going to tell Jill no?
I think at a certain point you believe you're on bullshit, don't you?
joe rogan
Could be.
Yeah.
I always wonder because it was so early, though.
michael malice
But in their head, we're going to put a nail in the Trump coffin once and for all.
The guys, Hitler and a liar and all this other nonsense that they believe.
So Joe's going to come out there.
He was, listen, look at his debate history.
Paul Ryan, who was no dummy, he was very good against him.
He was very good against Sarah Palin in 08. He was good against Trump in 2020. Like, they're just going to nuke him.
That's what they thought, I think.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
michael malice
You think Jill set him up to fail?
joe rogan
No.
No, I think she's probably delusional like that guy with the shit in his face.
michael malice
She's delusional.
joe rogan
She is.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
But I think the people behind the scenes knew exactly what was going to happen.
michael malice
I don't think that was...
I think if they had a debate again, it's not 100% that it would be that bad again.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
michael malice
Because, again, look at the State of the Union.
Sometimes he's bad, but not that bad.
joe rogan
But I think...
Right.
But the State of the Union was not live.
michael malice
Yes, it was.
joe rogan
No.
No, did you see that they found out that it wasn't?
That they looked at his watch, and his watch is...
michael malice
Wait, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do State of the Union analysis, Biden's watch.
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
Yeah, someone zoomed in on his watch, and his watch was the wrong time.
michael malice
How could that even be?
joe rogan
Well, it could be.
He's blind.
You can't see what time his fucking watch is.
michael malice
But are all the networks on it?
joe rogan
I don't know what they knew.
How do you know what they knew?
You just, you get a feed.
You know?
michael malice
I don't think all the Republicans would agree to it, too.
joe rogan
Who knows what they knew?
They're all there live while he's doing it?
michael malice
Yeah.
You've got Mike Johnson behind you.
You've got all the audience crossing their hands when they don't like what you say.
It's got to be live.
joe rogan
Let's see.
jamie vernon
I don't see anything.
State of the Union wasn't live.
I added watch.
joe rogan
It could be some troll shit.
jamie vernon
They got me.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
They could have got me.
Well, there was no Biden's watch show.
Look at Biden's watch, incorrect time, State of the Union.
michael malice
He doesn't have a watch as a sundial.
The guy's 5,000 years old.
joe rogan
He's looking at the stars.
A little sextant.
michael malice
That's not why he has that face.
joe rogan
No, President Biden's Oval Office dress wasn't pre-recorded.
A fake image with the wrong time floating around.
Yeah, there is a fake image.
They got me, these sons of bitches.
It's just amazing how much stuff is fake.
Floating around.
Say it again.
Put it up.
jamie vernon
It's also not the State of the Union thing.
michael malice
Yeah, it's not the State of the Union.
joe rogan
Wasn't?
jamie vernon
No, that was just him talking after he hadn't been seen for a few days.
michael malice
Well, that I believe could have been pre-recorded.
That wouldn't make a big deal one or another.
Like, if you're giving a talk and you have something to say, you can take eight takes.
joe rogan
Oh, so they used the wrong image from a different thing.
These cocksuckers.
It's just like that stuff.
Like who's doing that stuff and why are they doing that stuff?
Why are they having people talk about that and share inaccurate information?
I think it's to put everything into chaos so that you have no idea what's true or what's not true.
And then ultimately you don't know what to trust or what not to trust, which is a great way to get things through because then preposterous things can happen.
You're like, what fucking happened?
michael malice
And then you could honestly say there's a lot of misinformation so we got to crack down on it.
joe rogan
Right.
And they could probably be putting up some of that misinformation themselves.
michael malice
What they would do...
joe rogan
Some stuff that's easily provable.
michael malice
What they would do in Eastern Germany, the Stasi, they would infiltrate like some group, right?
With a Stasi agent.
And that Stasi agent would be like, we should go with other government.
And everyone else would be like, you're crazy.
We don't want that.
And they had arrested for colluding with someone who wants to go with other government.
unidentified
Oh my God.
michael malice
He's part of your group.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, like the Gretchen Whitmer.
That one's nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
12 people were FBI agents out of the 14 that were going to kidnap her?
michael malice
But they still act as if it really happened.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so nuts, man.
It's so nuts.
jamie vernon
It even says there's pictures of his watch with the correct time on it that were taken inside the Oval Office.
joe rogan
Yeah, these cocksuckers, they got me.
michael malice
But I also don't think why would that be a big deal if it was pre-recorded?
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, the idea is that if he's pretending to be live but really can't be trusted because he's so gone that they can edit it this way.
michael malice
I don't believe for a second he had a cold.
joe rogan
So you think they just pulled a coup, essentially?
michael malice
I don't think the coup is because of COVID or the cold.
joe rogan
No, he couldn't win.
michael malice
Why would I... Okay, one thing that I think everyone, most people would understand, is these politicians are power-hungry people, right?
Why would I, as president, step down when I do have still a decent shot of beating Trump again, and I beat him last time, got him out of the Oval Office?
joe rogan
Especially when Mises has a string.
unidentified
Right.
Mises doesn't want to let the ring go.
michael malice
Right.
So, yeah, of course it was a coup.
unidentified
Mises can choose the debate.
michael malice
Right.
Am I wrong, though?
joe rogan
Mises is so good at debating.
unidentified
Mises was number one in his class.
Number one.
michael malice
Right.
unidentified
Mises has a higher IQ than you.
michael malice
Don't you think they had to go to threats?
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder.
michael malice
What else would get him out of there?
joe rogan
I mean, maybe they just talked sensibly to him.
Said, look, you're going to kill the whole party because you don't want to step down.
michael malice
Do you remember when Chuck Schumer told Dianne Feinstein she's got to resign and she agreed and then forgot that they had the conversation?
He had to talk to her three times.
joe rogan
Well, at the end, like, she was having people behind her tell her what to do.
michael malice
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was nuts.
They were wheeling her around.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, you ever see that video of the lady in Brazil who brings a dead guy to the bank?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
She's just, like, holding his hand.
She's trying to get him to sign the money over to her.
You've never seen that?
michael malice
No, holy shit.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
This lady brought a dead guy to the bank.
michael malice
No, I'm like, is that a person or dummy?
joe rogan
He's dead.
He's a dead guy.
He's fully dead.
Try to secure a loan.
She's like, no, no, no, it's fine.
It's all good.
Here, put that in your hand.
Sign this right here.
And they're like, oh my god, look at this bitch.
I mean, the guy's fully dead.
Bank employees eventually calls the police who arrest a woman.
She could say, well, he died on the way over.
I didn't know he was dead.
I thought he was just sleepy.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Just wanted to get some money.
michael malice
That's our president.
You have some respect.
joe rogan
That's not our president.
michael malice
Yes, it was.
joe rogan
That's a dead guy.
That was literally our president.
Do you think Biden's alive?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And if you think he wasn't alive, do you think they'd tell us?
If they have this body double out there running around for national security reasons, don't you think they would just keep their mouth shut?
michael malice
No, because I think it would behoove them if she got to be president.
Because then she's a stronger nominee.
joe rogan
So, if he was dead, then it would be good, because she would be the president then, and then they would, yeah.
michael malice
But, now, there were rumors going around that during this window of time where he vanished from the face of the earth, which is not a thing that happens with presidents, where you don't know where they are, where he was having a seizure, he was like, this internet stuff.
joe rogan
He got abducted by aliens and they grew him.
That's how he's better.
michael malice
Or Beelzebub.
joe rogan
The aliens came along.
They used the new tech.
michael malice
He opened the gateway.
joe rogan
He gained six inches, spry, pepping his step.
michael malice
Here's the question I have.
I don't know if he's going to be there through January.
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
Yeah, he's got to make it.
michael malice
And I'm very worried about Taiwan.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
Because if I'm China or if I'm Putin, now's the time to move.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
We got a vacuum of leadership in the White House.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
That's a scary one.
michael malice
You think he's going to serve out the term?
joe rogan
I don't know.
When I see that guy that supposedly is Biden, I'm like, I don't know what's going on now.
michael malice
Since we live in a simulation, and I'm going to spoil the best comedy of all time, Veep, at a certain point, Veep becomes president, and then she's voted out like five months later.
And since Officer Harris is basically Selina Meyer, just like dipped in chocolate, I don't think he's going to be president through January.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So who becomes vice president?
michael malice
She's going to pick one of these governors, right?
joe rogan
Who's she going to pick?
michael malice
It's either Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Andy Beshear of Kentucky, or Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania is the short list, is what I heard.
joe rogan
You know what they do?
They do what kind of an insecure comic does.
michael malice
That's the one I was talking about, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this one.
Look at him walking.
Look how tall he is.
He's towering over her.
michael malice
But also how quickly he's walking.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't understand.
He thinks he's walking like an old man, because that's a 40-year-old dude.
Very strange.
He definitely is walking way better.
michael malice
Yeah.
Can you put up footage of Biden walking, Jamie?
joe rogan
There's also a kind of a power to his step, like he's trying to walk slowly.
unidentified
Yeah, his stature.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, there's an effortlessness to the way he's walking.
This is, again, armchair physiologist Joe Rogan.
When I'm looking at...
michael malice
Oh, wait, look, side by side, wow.
unidentified
This is from April or something?
joe rogan
Okay, which is the fake one?
jamie vernon
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
The tall one on the left?
Choreography.
Acknowledging the body's awkward on-camera walks to the south lawn.
His halting, stiff gait.
Well...
michael malice
That looks the same as the other one.
joe rogan
The one on the left does.
michael malice
Yeah, that looks like this.
joe rogan
Let's see it again.
Nah, that looks a little more effortless, dude.
Look, he's much more casual.
I mean, he's walking with a little bit of stiffness to his arms, but it's much more casual with his legs.
Let me see it again.
I don't know.
I might be fucking with my own mind.
He's definitely taller, though.
unidentified
Whatever the fuck that is.
michael malice
He looks taller, yeah.
That's the thing.
joe rogan
The big one is this one.
That's the big one.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That one's nuts.
That one freaks me out.
Because look, he's walking fine.
He's walking fine, and he's so big.
Look how big he is.
Like, clearly bigger.
michael malice
Would you ever want to get a body double, a Joe Rogan body double?
joe rogan
I have four of them right now.
unidentified
Do you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're doing sets all over the country in open mic nights.
michael malice
Oh shit, I just saw Joe Rogan!
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
Yeah, well, the thing is about, like, you can find a tall, thin person.
Well, you can probably find some short jack guys that can pretend to be me.
michael malice
Of course, yeah.
joe rogan
You just have to...
And there's enough...
Especially if you're just watching video.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, that's a different one.
michael malice
Yeah, see, okay, yeah.
joe rogan
That one's very slow.
But also, that could be the end of the day.
michael malice
But also, look at his posture, though.
The head's at an angle instead of straight up.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
That's the difference for me.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, he looks like he's struggling there to walk.
Whereas the other one of the new guy, the recent one, he doesn't look like he's struggling at all.
So this is the...
Look how he's going up the stairs.
Effortless, man.
Weird.
He's going up the stairs like a regular person.
michael malice
Yeah, not falling.
joe rogan
Well, he's not struggling.
There's like a hitch to the gate.
Like what you saw at the debate when he had to step down off the platform, he had to do it sideways.
michael malice
Can we...
Remember when she was asked about the debate by Stephen Colbert?
joe rogan
So look at this one right now.
So this is him walking in that other one.
He's really struggling there.
But again, that could be just like his mental ability.
It could come and go.
Especially with that fucking juicy alien cocktail they jazzed him up with.
michael malice
Or it could be jet lag.
joe rogan
Imagine if he really did grow six inches.
It really is Biden.
If you really do have some stuff.
It rejuvenates you, but you also grow.
michael malice
Get on that shit in two minutes.
joe rogan
It'll be a real problem.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
We're gonna look like the Anunnaki.
Like that dude with the fucking rubber in his face.
We're all going to be 10 feet tall.
Maybe that's what the Anunnaki are.
Because the whole thing is that they're supposed to be way taller than us.
michael malice
I was talking to Kurt Metzger about this.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
michael malice
I love Kurt.
joe rogan
He's the best.
He will go off though.
He will go off and his eyes get crazy and he gets to your face and he's sucking on a vape pad.
michael malice
It's so great.
And I'm just gimme, gimme, gimme.
joe rogan
Oh, he's the best.
michael malice
And he had this whole thing about the typography of the different aliens.
And like, these ones hate these ones.
These ones look white.
These ones look like Aryans.
joe rogan
Kirk believes everything.
The Jimmy Dore show wrecked him.
Being on that show, he was normal before he started going over there.
unidentified
Was he?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he was always crazy.
But he was like a different kind of crazy.
michael malice
Yeah, but I don't think Kurt's crazy because everything he says, I look up and there's receipts.
unidentified
It's based on something.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't mean crazy like incorrect.
michael malice
Right, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's a maniac.
unidentified
Yeah, yes.
joe rogan
Like, I'll show you the walls of text that he sends me.
I'm sure he sends them to you, too.
michael malice
Yes, of course.
unidentified
Walls.
michael malice
He lives here now.
joe rogan
Walls.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I trucked him into moving here.
michael malice
Yeah, good.
joe rogan
But he's the best.
And he's such a funny dude, too.
And his ability to, like, have jokes, he's like a joke machine.
For any situation that comes up...
michael malice
There are two things Kurt told me that I think about like once a week because they're so funny and I'm just like, I'm in the presence of like a comedy legend.
One is he was talking to Patrice O'Neill and Kurt had just seen Fight Club and Patrice is like, oh, that's the ultimate white people movie and Kurt's like, what do you mean?
He goes, oh, I don't have enough violence in my life.
I got to go seek it out.
I want someone to punch me in the face.
I don't know what that's like.
He's like, yeah.
So that was one.
And then Kurt did his homework on Paula Deen who got canceled because she used the N-word once.
And he looked it up and it turned out that she said it when she was getting robbed at gunpoint as a bank clerk.
And he goes, this is the most progressive old fat southern white lady ever.
He goes, they should build a statue to her.
joe rogan
That's really when she said it?
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
And dads will bring their sons and the plaque will say she only said it once.
Look, son, this is a progressive.
joe rogan
I didn't know that's what happened.
michael malice
Yes.
Per Kurt, please double check this.
joe rogan
Yeah, you never know.
He also told me that that plane that disappeared got sucked into a vortex by UFOs.
unidentified
No, he didn't.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he sent me videos.
michael malice
The Malaysian...
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one.
michael malice
Well, remember Don Lemon asked if it was a black hole?
On CNN, the dumbest man, formerly dumbest man on television.
What if it was a black hole?
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting watching guys like him without the whole production crew?
michael malice
What about Chris Cuomo?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
michael malice
Fredo.
joe rogan
Well, what Dave Smith did to him, holy shit.
That was like Mike Tyson versus Marvis Frazier in the 80s.
michael malice
It was a beautiful, beautiful thing.
And it couldn't happen to a better guy.
And it's even funnier is, you know how Greeks, like Tantalus, like in the afterlife, he's always reaching for water or food and it's always out of his reach because he served his son to the gods as food.
Like when you're on CNN, like Rogan and these podcasts, even the audience is 100 times bigger, it's like beneath you because they're like nothing and I'm the real guy.
And now he's got to be a sidekick on Patrick by David.
No disrespect to Patrick at all.
And he knows that every single person at CNN, the camera guys, the door guy, is laughing at what a nothing in their eyes he's become.
joe rogan
It's kind of genius by Patrick to put him on a show.
michael malice
Oh, it is.
Personal hell.
joe rogan
It's kind of genius.
Because you really can't escape not just what you've said, but the tendencies that you've developed in being on those broadcast networks.
michael malice
And the sneering.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
So kudos to Patrick.
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
michael malice
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Elon did it too with Lemon, with one show.
michael malice
Well, Lemon wanted ownership.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that.
The way they had the conversation.
He was trying to do CNN outside of CNN. That's how Elon said it.
unidentified
He's doing CNN outside of CNN. And now, bitch can't get arrested.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's like the quality of his discourse, right?
That's where he deserves to be.
It's not good conversation.
It's not interesting.
michael malice
You know what I always say?
I say the enemy class is not composed of impressive people.
And now the biggest alpha male on CNN is Caitlin Collins.
joe rogan
Yeah!
Yeah, they're all gone.
Well, Jake Tapper's still there.
michael malice
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Jake Tapper's an honest guy, I think.
michael malice
And who was the other woman?
Martha?
Who was the female moderator?
joe rogan
I don't know.
michael malice
Dana Bash?
Was that her name?
I and everyone else must give them credit for doing such an honest and fair job at the debate.
They let them both speak.
They didn't talk over them.
The questions were reasonable and tough questions for both parties.
I didn't think he had it in him.
So kudos to Jake Tapper.
And I'm going to apologize for saying that he always looks like someone just farted.
Because he did a great job.
And he also did a great job with Chris Coons, who's head of Biden's campaign.
He was holding his feet to the fire about the debate.
So I didn't know where this came from, but I was wrong about Jake Tapper.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of people that are in media that didn't want to do the thing that they're doing now.
They didn't want to do it that way.
But now they're in this machine, and this is what they want to do because they want to keep their career.
michael malice
Well, this is their only way to have status.
These are mediocre people.
Yeah.
If you're not writing for the New York Times, no one's reading your substack.
You're a nobody, you're nothing.
You're not interesting.
They're not impressive or interesting people.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
Look at this guy, no opinion.
If you look at his photo, he looks like Jared from Subway.
joe rogan
Who?
michael malice
Exactly.
joe rogan
Who are you talking about?
michael malice
No Opinion.
joe rogan
Who's that?
michael malice
He's one of these nobody...
joe rogan
Oh, is it No Opinion?
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Not Noah.
michael malice
No, it's Noah Opinion.
joe rogan
I thought you were saying Noah Opinion.
unidentified
I am.
N-O-A-H-P-I-N-I-O-N. So it's like Mike Hunt?
joe rogan
You know, like Mike Hunt?
michael malice
It's just like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
Except he would not like that.
joe rogan
Has anybody seen Mike Hunt?
michael malice
And no one's seen No Opinion.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Well, there's a lot of those guys, right?
michael malice
A lot of them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you think they're just getting paid, just like this conservative guy that I know?
michael malice
I don't think it's necessarily that they're getting paid.
It's that, like, they do not—they're violently anti-charismatic.
No one wants them at the party.
So all they can do is go on these other—and I say this to someone who does this a lot myself—go on, like, social media and try to kind of make—Aaron Rupar, make a name for yourself by just spouting complete nonsense.
joe rogan
Who's the best at it?
michael malice
Best in what way?
unidentified
Keith Hope.
Oh.
michael malice
My favorite angry lesbian.
She literally has brain damage.
joe rogan
He's a gift.
Really?
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What happened?
michael malice
Traumatic brain injury.
joe rogan
From what?
michael malice
Like, got hit by like a cinder block or something.
unidentified
Whoa.
michael malice
Look this up, Jamie.
It's on his Wikipedia.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
michael malice
Yeah.
So he said, did you see that he said the CNN building should be burned down?
joe rogan
Oh.
michael malice
He said, kick everyone out and burn down the building.
unidentified
For what?
michael malice
Because of the debate.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
michael malice
Yeah.
This is not someone who's well.
joe rogan
So when did he get it in the head?
michael malice
I think the 80s.
joe rogan
Whoa.
michael malice
It's been a minute, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
michael malice
And what's even funnier is he used to have a million Twitter followers, and it's slowly been going down.
Because at a certain point, even the boomer's like, okay, dude, calm down.
Trump isn't literally going to kill you tomorrow.
joe rogan
Oh, he's amazing.
michael malice
Yeah, he's so great.
joe rogan
He's a gift.
Remember when you used to do that show from his basement?
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like the resistance.
And any day now, Donald Trump will be locked up.
So I'm just going to shut the show down.
michael malice
Well, he was right.
He did get locked up.
Eventually.
Yeah, they arrested him.
joe rogan
Yeah, eventually.
That's a crazy one, huh?
The 34 counts of felony counts that were all misdemeanors.
michael malice
And did you see Andrew Cuomo?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
Came out and said, this is bullshit?
joe rogan
Yeah, and talked about it on Bill Maher.
Yeah.
michael malice
That I was surprised at.
joe rogan
Cuomo was a guy they shouldn't have got rid of because that guy could have won.
He could have been the president.
michael malice
What about killing all the old people?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a little bit of a problem.
We didn't know.
We didn't know.
michael malice
When you're president, you're supposed to kill young people, not old people.
joe rogan
Right.
Not supposed to take COVID patients and throw them back in the nursing homes.
And then put a bunch of people on ventilators.
Whoops.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoopsies.
But they didn't know.
They thought ventilators were the way to go.
michael malice
But they knew.
Sure.
But the point is, if you got something this bad wrong and then tried to cover it up, it's going to be hard to get through that White House.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a bit of an issue.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The nursing home.
michael malice
And also, as a New York Jew, that New York Italian attitude, I know that works in middle America, if you're trying to be president.
You're going to have to do something to deal with.
joe rogan
Well, Chelsea Handler said she was Cuomo sexual, so that settles that.
michael malice
Chelsea Handler was what that dude's final form was.
joe rogan
Everybody loved Cuomo when he was running New York at the beginning of the pandemic because he seemed so reasonable and measured and leader-like.
michael malice
One thing I did like about him is that he would have those daily updates.
So he was trying to do what he could to be as visible and have as much information as possible.
joe rogan
Better than the lady they have now who says black people don't know what computers are.
michael malice
Kathy Hochul.
Jesus Christ.
Get this bitch a broom and send her back where she came from.
Holy crap.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Isn't that wild?
joe rogan
They don't know what computers are.
michael malice
New York is a wrap.
This is why I'm here.
I'm fine.
Oh.
I want credit from your boy, Elon.
joe rogan
What'd you do?
michael malice
I am the first person on Earth, I believe, learning how to drive on a Cybertruck.
joe rogan
Really?
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
You didn't know how to drive at all?
michael malice
I still don't really.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
michael malice
My buddy Colin Robbs, a professional car tester, whatever, NASCAR, my buddy Sky King, they rented a Cybertruck.
They're like, all right, let's do it.
It's like my fourth lesson.
I only clipped one window.
On what would you hit?
I wasn't told, Colin.
That when you're going down these narrow streets, you're supposed to hug the median instead of imagining if there's two lanes.
So some parked car had a window, had a mirror, excuse me, and I clicked it.
But it was fine, and the window popped off the Cybertruck, the mirror, and we popped it back on.
joe rogan
Oh, so it just bent backwards.
michael malice
Not even, like a little, just bent in.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they give in.
michael malice
They move.
joe rogan
That's the way they're designed.
That's a crazy car to learn how to drive on.
michael malice
Yeah, it was wide.
joe rogan
Yeah, big.
And also, like, heavy as fuck.
michael malice
But I felt safe that if I got in an accident, somebody else would have the consequences.
joe rogan
That's true.
That's the fear that people have about people driving those things.
You're essentially driving a giant steel box that's bulletproof.
michael malice
And you know that puts on, like, a show?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it'll dance for you, right?
michael malice
There's a laser show, and there's also a megaphone.
joe rogan
Really?
michael malice
Yeah.
And also, he's a Simpsons fan, because when Homer Simpson designed a car for his brother and ruined his brother's company, Homer said, there should be horns everywhere and they should all play La Cucaracha.
And you can make the horn, one of like 15 choices is La Cucaracha.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
michael malice
And I know that's a Simpsons joke.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
He's done a lot of wild things with that car.
With all of his cars.
It's like, you know, if you say, you press the speak thing and say open butthole, the port opens up to charge it.
michael malice
No, it doesn't.
joe rogan
Yes, it does.
I'll show you.
Mine's out here.
michael malice
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
You say open butthole, and the port pops open.
michael malice
He's like 14...
joe rogan
There's very few humans like him that are going to be able to run a social media site like that and also just be able to handle being attacked relentlessly and like complete Teflon.
Open butthole.
See?
Does someone say it?
Open butthole.
Yeah.
Say it.
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice
Hilarious.
I've been around him a couple of times.
I've never hung out with him.
So I'm looking forward to it.
joe rogan
He's a good dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a fascinating character.
I mean, he's handling this very bizarre position in life about as good as you can.
I mean, no one's going to handle that very well.
michael malice
I think he really stuck his neck out with Twitter.
I'm dead naming it.
joe rogan
$44 billion is a big stick your neck out because what's it worth now?
michael malice
I don't think it's the money to stick your neck out.
It's that he's a target now.
And the people who used to love him for the electric cars now think he's a fascist.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
Like the people that loved him in California, if you drove a Tesla, it was a sign that you were environmentally conscious.
michael malice
You read The New Yorker.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're a good person.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're driving a Tesla.
michael malice
I still think – I don't think there's a stigma to it yet.
joe rogan
Not yet.
michael malice
They haven't completely – They're too good.
Yeah.
Then they haven't completely marginalized him or tried to – or stigmatized him, rather, I should say.
joe rogan
It just doesn't work.
It just kind of drifts off of him because there's so much support for him.
It's just – most people recognize that you really – Especially when the Twitter files came out, when Ty E.B. and Schellenberger released all those Twitter files, and you realize there was a real concerted effort to hide the truth from people.
michael malice
And then people being gaslit to be like, we knew all this the whole time.
No, no we didn't.
joe rogan
It's also the stuff about COVID with Jay Bhattacharya and all those other people that got unfairly maligned.
You know, real actual experts.
And the government was telling them to suppress them.
michael malice
Which also tells me that they wouldn't be able to do it a second time.
joe rogan
You think so?
michael malice
Because I think he's autistic enough that he dig in his heels.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
And that's not a knock against him.
That's a compliment.
joe rogan
I wonder if someone's going to try to take him out.
michael malice
He's got great security and body doubles.
joe rogan
Does he have body doubles?
Well, he's got that Chinese guy.
michael malice
He's got to be like a robot.
He's got to have like legs, a hundred clones of himself.
joe rogan
Have you seen the Chinese Elon?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
There's a guy who looks almost exactly like him who lives in China.
So slightly off.
Like if it was like you spliced him.
michael malice
Wait, you're saying there's a Chinese person who looks like somebody else?
joe rogan
It looks almost exactly like Elon.
Not like a regular Chinese guy.
michael malice
Can you pull it up?
joe rogan
I think it's real because...
jamie vernon
I just want to make sure I didn't pull the wrong video up as well.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, because he can fuck with you now.
michael malice
He's just going to pull up Jackie Chan.
joe rogan
Bruce Lee.
Look, it's Elon Musk.
jamie vernon
I think this is him.
It doesn't look like a deepfake.
michael malice
Oh, yeah.
Okay, I can see it.
joe rogan
I mean...
jamie vernon
I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that's the one.
michael malice
I can see it, yeah, for sure.
jamie vernon
It looks like a deepfake, too.
joe rogan
It does look a little deepfake.
michael malice
But that's not how Elon talks.
joe rogan
God, that's pretty close.
michael malice
But the motions aren't correct.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the things dealing with his lips...
jamie vernon
The eyes aren't moving right.
joe rogan
That looks fake.
michael malice
Yeah.
And the clothes are way off.
jamie vernon
But that didn't.
Right at the end, it looked okay.
michael malice
One million followers.
Holy crap.
unidentified
Hmm.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of videos of this guy up there.
joe rogan
It's hard to say, man, because there's something about his face to me.
I got that uncanny valley thing going on with this.
Like, it might...
This looks like bullshit.
michael malice
Oh, by the way...
jamie vernon
He's got good dimples moving here.
The muscles in the face are moving pretty good.
That's pretty hard to see.
michael malice
The eyes are really creepy.
Those are Elon eyes.
jamie vernon
It's just the weird eyes.
joe rogan
It's so close.
michael malice
But he doesn't look Asian.
That's what's weird.
That's Elon's face.
joe rogan
That really does look like some AI shit.
michael malice
That's got to be AI. There's no way that's not AI. That's Elon's face.
joe rogan
Google is the Asian Elon Musk fake.
michael malice
That was Elon's face.
joe rogan
The one that I saw that I remember seeing was from about two years ago, and it was much less obvious.
It was close.
Like, oh, look at that.
Guy looks just like him.
jamie vernon
It's suspended from...
michael malice
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh.
It's been suspended.
michael malice
Wow.
joe rogan
Why is he suspended?
Chinese doppelganger suspended from China's TikTok.
Huh.
Interesting.
So it's real.
Huh.
It's been dubbed by internet.
michael malice
Wait, I'm sorry.
Why are we not calling him the Chinese knockoff?
joe rogan
Duh.
michael malice
That's the line.
jamie vernon
Well, he just did.
michael malice
He's the Chinese knockoff, Elon.
Much cheaper.
Shittier quality.
joe rogan
He's been deleted on Weibo.
All but three posts are left.
michael malice
Elon Musk.
joe rogan
The account, largely inactive as well.
Local reports have noticed that Elon's doppelganger was banned for violating community guidelines.
See, I wonder if they're running him through a filter, though, man.
michael malice
There's got to be.
Come on, that was crazy.
jamie vernon
It seems like he's a really good software engineer and he just said, fuck it, I'll show you how I am.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it seems like he's probably close enough and then did some shenanigans.
It's going to be so hard to tell.
michael malice
Face swap isn't that hard to do.
joe rogan
Not hard at all.
And AI-generated videos and images, it's going to be so hard to tell.
michael malice
There's been ones of you.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
michael malice
Oh, did you see the one Elon just played?
Did you see the one of you?
joe rogan
Kamala Harris, yeah.
unidentified
Oh my God, that was hilarious.
joe rogan
And do you see what Gavin Newsom said to him?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
Gavin Newsom said that you should be posting this.
We're going to make it illegal and I'm going to sign a law.
And he said, Professor, suck on these nuts.
michael malice
No, he didn't.
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
michael malice
Elon said that to Gavin Newsom?
joe rogan
Yes, he did.
Yeah.
Pull that post up, Jamie.
It's so hilarious.
He said, Professor Sagan Deez Nuts says it's legit and that parody is legal.
I forget what his exact quote was.
I'm paraphrasing.
But parody is allowed by law, which it should be.
michael malice
Yeah, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the fact that they're using AI to generate her saying a bunch of stuff.
michael malice
Was it not actually her voice, though?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
I thought they clipped it.
It wasn't AI. Oh, it wasn't AI? I thought it was like sound bites that they stitched together.
joe rogan
Perhaps.
michael malice
Because it's choppy.
joe rogan
Right.
But, yeah, I don't know how they did it.
They most certainly could do it with AI, though.
That would also make it seem choppy.
Because it doesn't really run in the cadence of a normal human speech.
michael malice
But it seemed like the words were not anything fancy.
joe rogan
Remember when they did that with Reagan?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, they did that with Reagan.
That was the first one they ever did.
Way, way, way back in the day.
I think it was Iran.
I forget which country did it, but they made some fake audio recording of Reagan.
And then upon analysis, and again, this is in the 80s, right?
So the technology was very crude at the time.
They just audio stitched it together and edited it.
They found bits and pieces from each one of his speeches that they had compiled this one thing to.
But that was the first time that ever happened.
Elon retweets altered Kamala Harris' campaign.
He says, manipulating voices in an ad like this should be illegal.
I'll be signing a bill in a matter of weeks to make sure it is.
And then he says, I checked with renowned world authority professor Sagan Deez Nuts, and he said parody is legal in America.
michael malice
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
michael malice
We don't deserve him.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
What a wild dude.
michael malice
Wow.
joe rogan
What a wild dude.
Because he's not scared of those folks.
Because he's the richest man in the world.
michael malice
Would you be scared of Gavin Newsom?
joe rogan
No.
But it's also what Gavin Newsom represents.
He's a part of this machine.
You know, you attack him like that, they're gonna attack you.
See if you can find that Reagan thing.
michael malice
Even if you don't attack him like that, they're gonna attack you.
joe rogan
The Reagan audio compilation.
I forget what it was in reference to, but it was something...
I mean, Reagan was saying something outrageous that he would never say.
michael malice
Well, they have that for like Ayn Rand.
They have a bunch of people saying whatever you want them to say.
joe rogan
But this was back in the day.
And then they put it on television on the news showing all the different pieces of different speeches of him wearing different suits of all the things that he had actually said and how they pieced it together.
This is like very early on indication that you got to be careful with technology.
This was very rudimentary technology, relatively speaking.
michael malice
What exactly did he say?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find it.
joe rogan
A couple more minutes.
They took a bunch of Ronald Reagan speeches and they spliced them together to make an inaccurate, a fake...
Make him say something he never really said.
But I remember it was on the news.
It was a big deal.
michael malice
I don't remember this at all.
I feel like I'm Reagan.
I don't remember it.
joe rogan
Maybe it's one of those...
michael malice
Mandela effect?
joe rogan
Yeah.
michael malice
I'm having something with that right now.
joe rogan
With what?
michael malice
My friend Michael Wolfe, he's a strength coach here in Austin.
He's got a great dog named Chops.
And I remember very distinctly that Chops looks like he's mostly Great Dane.
The coat color is big.
And I remember distinctly Michael telling me, oh, we did the DNA test.
He's actually not Great Dane at all.
He's something, something else and has some Rhodesian Ridgeback.
And I'm hanging out with him and Chops.
And I go to him.
I go, it's just so funny that there's no Great Dane in him.
And he goes, what are you talking about?
And I go, the test goes, never did this.
And I don't know any other dog where this could be.
So I'm paying for him to do the Indiana test to see if this is a Mandela effect thing.
Because I remember very specifically that conversation.
joe rogan
That's bizarre.
michael malice
Yep.
joe rogan
You think the simulation's real?
michael malice
Yes.
I know it's real.
Because it keeps winking.
You've had it winked to you all the time, I'm sure.
unidentified
It winks a lot.
michael malice
I was with you at the green room, and I go, Joe, like, all these things are happening.
Like, does it ever get normal?
He goes, no.
You go, no, no, no.
You're just going to have to go with it.
Like, I talked to Jordan Peterson about this.
He goes, at a certain point, you wake up, and you're like, oh, the president's yelling at me today.
And he's like, you just have to accept this is what your reality is.
joe rogan
Yeah, when it happens to me, I just hear that Queens of the Stone Age song, Go With The Flow.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
It's like, all right, this is this.
So yeah, Roseanne's texting me now.
Okay, I guess this is my life.
joe rogan
This is what we're dealing with.
michael malice
Yes.
Of course we're in a simulation.
You don't think that this is a 3D projection of a 4D world.
joe rogan
Who's running it?
michael malice
The machine elves.
joe rogan
Right.
That's more likely.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tricksters.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
That's why it's so silly.
michael malice
That's why it's so fun for me.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
And for you and any comedian.
joe rogan
Right.
michael malice
A real comedian.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you really embrace the chaos.
michael malice
Yeah, not if you're Chelsea Handler.
joe rogan
You don't double mask and tell people how to vote.
michael malice
Yes, and put on a song and dance for Pfizer.
joe rogan
Yes, God.
michael malice
Good Lord.
joe rogan
Good Lord.
michael malice
Stephen Colbert's priest must be...
joe rogan
But he wasn't really a comedian.
Colbert was never a stand-up.
michael malice
Yeah, but Strangers with Candy was one of the greatest shows of all time.
It was one of the most transgressive shows of all time.
joe rogan
I don't know what Strangers with Candy is.
I never watched it.
I only knew him from the Colbert Report and from being on The Daily Show.
michael malice
Strangers with Candy is one of the greatest shows of all time.
joe rogan
Really?
michael malice
I'll tell you what it's about.
It's about starring Amy Sedaris, David Sedaris' sister.
It's about a woman named Jerry Blank who returns to high school picking up her life where she left it off as a teenage runaway.
And she became a user, a boozer, and a loser.
So she's this 47-year-old ex-junkie prostitute.
joe rogan
Oh, that movie is hilarious.
michael malice
Yeah.
And Colbert was her teacher.
joe rogan
99. 99. Yeah.
Wow.
Well, Kilbert was amazing as that character.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
And then when you see him on his actual show, you're like, hey...
Is that really you?
Who are you?
michael malice
He knows better.
That's why he's not off the hook in my book.
Mr. Knoblet was the teacher, yeah.
Jerry, I know that we have our tough times and you think that I hate you, but I want you to know that I hate you.
She's like, I hate you too, Mr. Knoblet.
We probably shouldn't hug.
unidentified
No, no, probably not.
joe rogan
I want to check that show out.
How many seasons did it go?
michael malice
Winona Ryder was in the last episode.
joe rogan
No kidding.
unidentified
They got Winona Ryder on TV. It's so weird that I never heard of it before.
michael malice
The pilot episode...
joe rogan
Maybe I didn't, I forgot.
michael malice
The pilot episode, they try to get Jerry to spy on her locker mate because they suspect her locker mate might be retarded.
And they're like, well, why do you want me to, you know, turn her in?
And he's like, well, you've got those braces and they tend to be attracted to, you know, shiny objects.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
michael malice
So that was the pilot episode.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
It had three seasons, but it was only on TV for like a year and a half.
michael malice
No, no, it was three years.
It wasn't a year.
jamie vernon
That's what this says.
I'm looking at the Wikipedia.
It says like season three started in July 2000 and ended October 2000. When did season one start?
April 99, ended July 99. Wow, they were that quick?
Yeah, those six-month seasons.
michael malice
There was one episode.
What was it on?
Comedy Central.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
michael malice
That makes sense.
I have, in my living room framed, because I wrote to her, she's hooking up with a football player, and she's like, don't worry about getting me pregnant.
My ovaries are diseased.
So I have my ovaries.
To Michael, my ovaries are diseased.
Jerry Blank, signed by Amy.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
michael malice
It's a great...
So he was on this show.
And, like, him and the other teacher giving each other blowjobs in the bathroom.
Like, that kind of humor.
And now, look at him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Remember when he was dancing with Chuck Schumer and he high-fives him?
You ever see that?
michael malice
No.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They're all wearing masks.
And they're dancing around outside.
And he's dancing.
Chuck Schumer.
And he dances over and high-fives Chuck Schumer.
michael malice
I hope it's worth it for him, however much money they give him.
joe rogan
There he is.
Watch this.
See, they're all dancing.
Look.
michael malice
No, no, no.
unidentified
Yeah, look at him.
joe rogan
All these people wear masks on outside.
That lady's double masking.
michael malice
But he's not wearing a mask!
joe rogan
Of course, he's a rebel.
He's from Strangers with Candy.
He's a wild man.
Look at him.
Well, he probably recently got vaccinated or something.
unidentified
Ridiculous.
joe rogan
The mask days.
Even when I look at videos and I see people wearing masks, I can't believe that's real.
I can't believe that was just a couple of years ago.
michael malice
You still see them in the airports?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Goofy people.
michael malice
Well, I always assume now that they have like some disease.
joe rogan
It's a good thing to assume.
I used to assume they're from another country.
michael malice
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People from other countries would wear masks all the time.
michael malice
There were a lot of masks in Japan.
joe rogan
Just being polite.
They're just being polite.
They don't want to spit on you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
These people over here are just nuts.
michael malice
You got to go to Japan, dude.
joe rogan
I will go.
Michael Malice, you're the fucking man.
I appreciate you very much.
It's always fun hanging out with you.
michael malice
Thank you so much, sir.
joe rogan
My pleasure, brother.
Let's hang out.
unidentified
Yep.
Okay.
michael malice
Bye, everybody.
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