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Joe Rogan Experience #2173 - Jimmy Dore
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joe rogan
What's your love to take, bud?
jimmy dore
It's Zionism.
You know, if he didn't have that, I think he could be president, but...
joe rogan
You mean RFK Jr.?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh.
jimmy dore
I was confused.
I meant figuratively.
joe rogan
I was like, how does this have anything to do with the boycott of Starbucks and McDonald's and Sirhan Sirhan?
Like, what?
Some rabbit hole shit I didn't know about?
Is that possible?
jimmy dore
You know, Sirhan Sirhan, his house was in Pasadena, which was close to where I used to live.
unidentified
Really?
jimmy dore
Yeah, one day my wife was like, yeah, Sirhan Sirhan lives over here.
I'm like, get out of here.
I didn't know.
joe rogan
Have you ever read into the MKUltra connection between Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby, and Jolly West?
jimmy dore
So, no, I haven't, but now I'm working with Kurt Metzger, and he knows all that shit.
joe rogan
He knows too much.
jimmy dore
I'm like, he could just go on.
joe rogan
You've ruined him.
You've ruined him.
I don't think he's aware of so many legitimate, actual conspiracies, meaning where governments and corporations conspire against the American people, lie, twist facts, distort things.
But Kurt is one of those guys that once he finds out something, You know, because he grew up in a cult, right?
So he's in a Jehovah's Witness cult when he was young.
Sorry, Jehovah's Witnesses.
And then becomes a comedian, and he's so averse to bullshit.
He's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no!
Because, like, you fucking ruined my childhood.
I know what this is.
I've seen this before.
I've seen this in another form.
I know what this is.
jimmy dore
Yeah, that's his, like, superpower, because he's been through it.
joe rogan
You ruined him.
His show, you ruined him.
He's so crazy now.
He's so mad now.
jimmy dore
Do you see him get upset on the show?
He gets legit angry.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Other controversial cases West was assigned to, including evaluating Sirhan Sirhan, who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles June 5th, 1968. West claimed Sirhan was the subject of psychic driving.
A mind-altering technique involving hypnosis or paralytic drugs.
Psychiatrists often use barbiturates for this.
Settle the fuck down.
You used acid.
Stop lying.
What is this?
Oh, maybe possibly barbiturates or something legal.
No, they were using acid.
jimmy dore
Who's this Wes guy?
joe rogan
Jolly West was the head of MKUltra.
jimmy dore
Oh, no kidding.
joe rogan
He was the guy that they chronicle extensively in Thomas O'Neill's book, Chaos, about the Manson case.
jimmy dore
Oh, so, yeah, my wife is reading that right now.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that's a good book.
jimmy dore
And she has it on audiobook, so I'll walk to your house and I'll hear, like, what the...
joe rogan
You know how crazy that book is?
Tom was Greg Fitzsimmons' roommate in New York.
And then also, not roommate, excuse me, neighbor.
He was his neighbor in New York.
And then also his neighbor in Venice, California.
So they were near each other.
For 20 years this guy's been working on this.
He started working on it as an article.
Right?
So he writes it as an article, but then once he starts getting into the information, it's so extensive, it's so crazy, that he can't finish the article.
Because the article is just an anniversary of the Manson assassinations, the Manson killings.
So then...
Twenty years later, he finally puts out this book, and he's got enough information for another fucking book.
And it's wild.
It's all a CIA plot.
The Manson family was all...
Manson was visited in prison by Jolly West.
They trained him, allegedly, in hypnosis techniques, using LSD, how to mind control people.
He would not do the acid, but he would give the acid to the people, which is something also that apparently...
The MKUltra people trained him.
And he would get them to commit evil acts.
And the whole thing was to discredit the anti-war movement.
That's the whole thing was the hippies.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they turned hippies into something fucking terrifying.
So hippies used to be like, oh, she's a flower child.
Oh, they're peace and love, you know, cute, nice stuff.
But then they turned hippies into fucking psychotic murderers who cut babies out of movie stars' bellies and paint on the wall, pig, you know, that kind of shit.
jimmy dore
Yeah, Kurt was also telling me about that.
Like, that's the perfect way to discredit the anti-war movement.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, that's also why the Psychedelics Act of 1970 was passed.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yes, the Psychedelic Act of 1970 was passed to go after the Black Panthers, and to go after the civil rights leaders, and to go after the anti-war movement.
Because those people were all taking drugs.
So they're eating mushrooms and trying to come to some sort of an understanding of our place in the universe.
And they said, okay, we're going to take all of these psychedelic compounds that are literally creating a cultural revolution.
So you go from the 1950s.
I always say music is the best representation of that.
And comedy as well, but really music.
If you look at Buddy Holly, great music, great stuff.
And then Jimi Hendrix is 10 years later.
What the fuck is that?
That's like a revolution.
Like, out of nowhere, something is insanely different.
Like, it's not even from this earth.
Not even from this earth.
That's all psychedelics.
jimmy dore
And we've never had a leap like that since.
joe rogan
Nope.
jimmy dore
Isn't that weird?
Like, you listen to music from the 80s, and a lot of it sounds like it could be made today.
joe rogan
It's coke music.
The 80s, they were all doing coke.
They were watching Miami Vice, they were doing coke, wearing no socks with loafers.
jimmy dore
But remember, I mean, whenever I hear a Prince song, I'm like, oh, that could be made today.
That could have been from right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Prince was the most versatile, right?
Because he could do anything.
Like, if you go to his early stuff, it was like this real sweet music about fucking, you know?
jimmy dore
Yes, yes, he was all about fucking.
joe rogan
Like Head, you ever heard that song, Head, like from his first album?
Or I think his second album?
God, he was good.
He was so good.
jimmy dore
I love that he had that, there was that band, Morris Day in the Time.
joe rogan
Yes!
jimmy dore
I like them almost more than Prince.
I just like them.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got this one song that's on our, I think it's on the playlist.
I hope it's on the playlist.
It's called, if it's not, I'm going to put it on there right now.
It's called Cool.
Because I'm cool.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
Am I done in San Francisco?
Dance all night in Rome.
jimmy dore
That's it, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Morris Day was the shit.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Maurice, bring me back.
I love that.
I thought that Morris Day was going to be bigger than...
joe rogan
I know.
Well, I didn't think he was ever going to be bigger than Prince.
I think Prince is a legitimate...
Was, excuse me, a legitimate genius.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah, he was.
joe rogan
And he's another guy that we lost because of fucking bullshit.
Because of fentanyl.
jimmy dore
Yeah, you think that's what...
Okay.
joe rogan
That's what happened to him.
jimmy dore
What do you think about...
So now people are revisiting the...
joe rogan
God, it wasn't in the playlist.
It is now.
jimmy dore
Oh, it is?
joe rogan
I had to put it in the Mothership playlist.
How's that not in there?
jimmy dore
He has a song called Walk Everybody Walk Your Body.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Anybody walk your body.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I'm about to walk a hole in my Stacey's.
joe rogan
He was just so cool.
jimmy dore
And so then I would go out and buy Stacey Adams shoes.
Yeah.
I would.
And so there was this place, oh, there was a very derogatory, it was Maxwell Street in Chicago, and they used to call it, I can't say it, because it's anti-Semitic.
And so we would go down there, and you could walk into all these clothes stores, and you could bargain with them.
And I never experienced that before.
You walk in and usually the price was the price.
You go to the mall, the price is...
You can't bargain, but you can bargain.
So it was an exciting thing to do.
Me and my brothers would all go down there and you'd go into all these stores and you'd put all these clothes together and we'd start bartering.
Like, okay, how about this?
How about that?
It was fun.
I miss those days.
That's where in the Blues Brothers, remember they go down to get the black guy who's the clarinet player and...
You better think, think, think.
So that's where that took place.
Oh, wow.
But I think that's all gone now.
I think they got rid of that.
And I don't know what they put it.
joe rogan
It's probably an Applebee's.
jimmy dore
I think the University of Illinois-Chicago may be expanded into there.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
jimmy dore
Those were the days.
I miss the Morris Day and the time.
I miss those days.
joe rogan
These are the best days.
These days right now.
These are the best days.
jimmy dore
You think?
joe rogan
Yeah, by far.
jimmy dore
Well, they are for me.
joe rogan
By far for everybody, because we get all the other stuff from those other eras.
We still can listen to that, too.
We can still watch that, too.
But we have a bizarre time where the world is waking up, where people are so much more aware of the corruption and just the way the world works.
It's more highlighted than it's ever been before.
And I think it's more fun.
It's like some of the things that are stupid are so stupid.
Like when you see Biden, we beat Medicare.
And they go, thank you, Mr. President.
unidentified
And they smash cut.
joe rogan
Like, how the fuck is that real?
How is that real?
The guy like locks up like Windows 95, stammers for 15 seconds.
And then he says, we beat Medicare.
jimmy dore
I was doing a show the other night at the Hotel Cafe in Hollywood, and I do a joke about Joe Biden, you know, like, why don't they get a dog to leave him off stage, you know, and the people in the crowd, like, they're all like 20-something Hollywood people, and they go, aww.
I was like, what?
I have friends like you.
joe rogan
Listen, they've done a good job.
They've done a really good job of pretending that they're compassionate.
jimmy dore
I love Joe Biden.
I've always loved Joe.
No one's ever fucking loved Joe Biden.
He's always been a joke and a punchline.
And this idea that somehow it's Joe Biden's integrity and truth-telling against Donald Trump.
He lied, lied.
The first time Joe Biden ran for president, he had to drop out because he got exposed for being a pathological liar.
He said he graduated at the top of his class.
He graduated at the bottom.
He said he had three majors.
He said he was chosen the most outstanding political...
No, it was all lies.
And then he got caught plagiarizing.
Someone else, not only just their speeches, but their life story.
It was like, who does that?
And so he's been a joke, always was a joke.
And this idea, you know, the reason why black and brown had to...
I had to, you know, tell this to Cornel West when he came on my show.
Hey, the reason why black and brown people are locked up at way higher rates than their population is because of Joe Biden, not because of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump actually did the step back, right?
Which is probably why he's getting 20% of the black vote right now.
You're right.
All their narratives are falling away.
People are waking up.
And not only in America, but I do miss a time before cell phones.
The internet.
It was more of an innocent time.
I do miss that time.
joe rogan
I'm glad we went through it.
jimmy dore
Yeah, I mean, I'm also glad.
joe rogan
But I don't miss it.
jimmy dore
Okay, but...
But I was just in Europe, right?
I went on an 11-day tour or whatever, and...
I didn't know if I was going to have, you know, anybody's going to show up.
They did, and it's like the same shit.
People, they're upset at the media, they're upset at the control, they're upset at the censorship.
And I didn't know, like Jeff Bezos, I was in Norway, and they're like, yeah, Jeff Bezos owns frickin' media here too.
I'm like, what?
I didn't know.
I never thought about it like that.
Of course they would.
Of course.
And everybody's going through the same shit.
London, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, they're all fucking pissed off like I am.
And they're like all sick of being lied to.
And they all hate their media.
And they all feel controlled.
joe rogan
That's what's good about today.
Because before, the media used to do exactly what they're doing now, but it wasn't transparent.
Nobody knew, right?
jimmy dore
Well, there used to be 50 giant media companies, so there used to be more truth that could get out, but now, because of Bill Clinton and the Telecommunications Act in 1996, we went from 50 giant media companies down to six, meaning that every TV show, every newspaper, every magazine, every radio show, it all comes from one of the six companies.
And that's why journalism sucks so much right now, because journalists used to come from blue-collar backgrounds like me, but now they know they all have to work for one of the six billionaire-owned companies, and so the billionaires handpicked those people from Ivy League schools now, and they're all going to be class loyal.
And so that's why the whole thing is, you know...
It's a great time, but also we're pitted against each other now by the media like never before, right?
Like no matter what the story is, they have their minions in the press reported in a way that makes you hate your neighbor and blame your neighbor and not the guys doing it, right?
Yeah.
So the oligarchy keeps us fighting amongst each other, and that's real.
That's not made up.
I mean, look at how they lied about...
The biggest story, like, so the Kyle Rittenhouse story, right?
Now, I hated that kid because the corporate media told me he was a white supremacist who didn't live in that community.
He traveled across state lines with guns to shoot three black people at a Black Lives Matter rally, and I hated him.
And then I watched the trial.
And it turns out he did live in that community.
He was a lifeguard in that community.
He was asked to protect a car dealership by immigrants of color because the cops wouldn't.
And he didn't travel across state lines with guns.
And he didn't shoot three black people.
He shot three white people.
And I was like, what?
joe rogan
I think he only shot two guys.
jimmy dore
Maybe you're right.
joe rogan
He killed one.
Did he shoot three?
jimmy dore
And then he shot the other guy through the arm.
And they're all three criminals.
That's another part they leave out.
joe rogan
They're all three criminals, terrible people.
This is the thing about riots, right?
Riots are too much like a war.
Like, any time there's a gathering, protests, when people get angry and they're marching, I think that ignites in us the same feelings of war.
And people start doing wild, crazy shit.
They went after that dude with a skateboard and tried to hit him with a skateboard.
He ran away from them before he shot him.
jimmy dore
So he shot the first guy who was the pedophile, right?
And we know that guy had threatened to...
joe rogan
So he shot and killed two men, wounded another man.
jimmy dore
So three.
joe rogan
So he killed two and wounded one.
jimmy dore
And the first guy he shot had threatened to kill him all day long, and we know that he attacked him because his fingerprints are on the gun barrel.
joe rogan
It even says it right there in Wikipedia.
Stop, go back.
jimmy dore
Yeah, grab the barrel of his rifle.
There it is.
joe rogan
But it says, look at this, race was a major theme in the U.S. media commentary, although Rittenhouse and those he shot were white.
jimmy dore
Were white!
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Most people didn't know, including people that met Kyle Rittenhouse.
Like someone, David Lucas, the stand-up comedian, he knows Kyle Rittenhouse.
He brought Kyle Rittenhouse to the mothership.
And guys who were there, who met him, the guys you shot were white?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody's like, what?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then...
You have to tell them, not only were they white, like, these guys were like career criminals.
One guy was a pedophile.
jimmy dore
One guy pulled a gun on him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The media just fucked that kid, and he won.
And he won, and he got exonerated, and, you know, and out.
Go ahead.
jimmy dore
No, people say to me, they go, Jimmy, why are you defending Kyle Rittenhouse?
I go, I'm not defending Kyle Rittenhouse.
I don't know Kyle Rittenhouse.
I'm defending the truth.
And why aren't you pissed off that the corporate media lied about a 16-year-old kid to divide the country?
Because that's what that was about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you're just going to polarize that kid even more.
I mean, that kid's going to lean so far right now.
jimmy dore
Of course.
joe rogan
Of course.
They're the only people that stood by him.
And everybody else lied about him.
The media lied about him.
And so many people had this.
So there's surface narratives, right?
And surface narratives are the best.
The media is the best at propagating surface narratives.
They're best at headlines, even if they're misleading.
jimmy dore
Safe and effective.
joe rogan
Yeah, but these surface narratives are the ones that get into people's heads that are the least informed.
And that's the general population.
jimmy dore
People still think Russiagate's real.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jimmy dore
Look at people like Bill Maher.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jimmy dore
That was shocking to me.
I'm like, oh, I thought he just hated Trump.
joe rogan
He doesn't even know what the WEF is all about.
jimmy dore
Did you see Roseanne had to tell him?
He didn't even know what MKUltra was.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
jimmy dore
And then he got the balls to tell Bill Burr, this isn't your lane.
It's not your lane either, Bill.
You don't know fucking anything.
joe rogan
Bro, Bill chewed him up.
That was wild.
jimmy dore
That was hilarious.
joe rogan
You can't go tat tat tat like that with Bill because he does that to himself all day.
All day.
He's like battling out in his own mind, having arguments.
Well, look at you, fucking Bill.
Look at you.
You fucking stupid sneakers on.
You're 55 years old.
Dressing like a teenager.
What the fuck are you doing?
jimmy dore
What'd you ever do?
Why should people listen to you?
joe rogan
You're fucking pasty retard.
jimmy dore
You're not a general.
You never did anything.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
jimmy dore
But that's the, you know, the biggest shocker to me is, like, the bubble that people live in, right?
And it's like, it's just like with the debate.
Like, do you think that the lies that the media has been telling?
I've been saying Joe Biden's been a demented walking death rattle since 2019. And it's because it's been obvious that he's suffering from something.
joe rogan
Well, there's a decline, right?
If you just saw him in 2019, it wouldn't be as obvious.
But if you saw him from, like, when he was running for president in 1988, which I did, did I ever tell you about Joe Biden night that we used to have at Stitches?
Stitches Comedy Club in 1988, we had Joe Biden night.
jimmy dore
And what is that?
joe rogan
That would mean I would go on stage and do your act, and you would go on stage and do my act.
jimmy dore
Oh, because he's a plagiarist.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So we would call it Joe Biden Night, and all the comics would go up and do each other's acts.
jimmy dore
That sounds like fun.
joe rogan
It was fun.
It was so fun.
Because just like some guys, you know, you watch a guy like Jimmy Tingle or, you know, back in those days, Steve Sweeney.
You get to go up and do their act.
jimmy dore
Fitzy, fitzy, fitzy, fitzy, fitzy.
joe rogan
And the guys you work with all the time, where you got to see their set all the time, you go up and do their act.
And we had a great time.
But it was open mockery that he was a known plagiarist.
jimmy dore
In 88. In 88. I know that's why this whole, this rehabilitation, it's all because of Trump derangement syndrome.
They have to pretend like Joe Biden's some kind of guy with integrity and dignity instead of, you know, the horrible criminal anti-worker guy that he's been his whole life.
He's been anti-student, anti-worker, and he crossed a goddamn railroad strike.
And everybody just memory holds that, that that happened.
Like, if Trump did that, it would be on billboards forever.
And, again, it's...
Joe, why do you think?
Because my whole life, the establishment loved Donald Trump, right?
joe rogan
Well, because the only option is, if you don't go with Biden, then you're not with the Democrats.
And the Democrats view themselves as a team.
They view themselves as a team as much as patriots think of America first.
It's like that team is Democrats first.
And that's the only representation they have right now.
Like, apparently, now I don't know if this is true, but someone was telling, were you telling me about this, Jamie?
About the live streaming of, uh, was it you?
Or was it someone else?
Of, uh, Rob Reiner and all these people.
jamie vernon
Oh, they were crap.
I'll find the story.
joe rogan
They were all live streaming the debate and freaking out.
jimmy dore
Barbara Streisand's crying.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
These people are deranged.
These people are no different than the Manson family in that they are in a cult.
They're locked into this ideology.
It's not as bad as the Manson family, but it's clearly a cult.
It's an ideological cult where you're not willing to go against any of the doctrines of the cult.
jimmy dore
And you're not allowed to.
You have to practice groupthink, and that's it.
joe rogan
And Bill Maher's a heretic, even though he's very much a liberal.
He's a heretic.
jimmy dore
Because every once in a while, he'll tell the truth.
joe rogan
A lot of times.
He's not as informed as I'd like him to be about some of the stuff, like MKUltra, the WEF. Or Ukraine.
Well, I don't know what he knows about Ukraine, but he hates Donald Trump.
But I think...
I couldn't figure it out on the podcast.
He wouldn't even have a rational discussion as to why he hates him.
jimmy dore
He's crazy.
joe rogan
But the thing he...
I found out that he was sued by Donald Trump.
jimmy dore
Yes, so that was...
joe rogan
That's probably it.
jimmy dore
Because when he said that Donald Trump...
He was an orangutan.
And so he sued him.
joe rogan
A Hollywood debate watch party with Rob...
Jake Fonda ended in shouts and tears.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
That should have been, fuck keeping up with the Kardashians.
That should be the fucking, the real reality show.
jimmy dore
And that's what you get, and I say good for you.
That's what you get for fucking lying.
They've all lied.
I think the media took just as big a hit as Joe Biden did that night.
Because now, I mean, just a few weeks ago, there's that Joe Scarborough, that mental case on Morning Joe on MSNBC, and he was saying, let me tell you something, and if you don't believe it, F you.
He says this on...
6 in the morning.
This is what he's telling his audience.
F you.
This is the best version of Joe Biden I've ever seen.
You saw that clip, right?
This is the best version.
joe rogan
Let's play it.
Let's play it because it's amazing.
jimmy dore
It is amazing.
joe rogan
Wasn't he a Republican at one point in time?
jimmy dore
Yes!
And they say that Trump is the liar.
It's like they are right now in the middle of telling the biggest lie that's ever been told in politics.
This is bigger than FDR can walk.
This is bigger than that.
joe rogan
Hampton real estate is not cheap.
And you got to do some things maybe you don't want to do if you want to buy that sweet house and just drink your champagne by the lake.
Or the bay, rather.
Just looking over in the ocean going, I fucking made it, baby.
I'm here in the Hamptons.
I'm about to go to dinner with Rob Reiner.
jimmy dore
I've always said, hey, I don't know if I'm better or worse than those people, but no one ever made an offer to buy me out, so I don't know how I would react.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a buyout or a sellout thing, man.
That's a thing that people think.
I think what happens is you get locked into a cult.
And then I think also you get invited to things with important people.
And that 100% will shape the way you talk about stuff.
If you get invited to a dinner with Bill Gates and some very important people, when their name comes up, you're going to defend them.
jimmy dore
Well, Barack Obama talked about how just being in the room with the donor class changes you.
Just being in the room with them.
unidentified
Of course.
jimmy dore
And Chris Hayes wrote a book called The Twilight of the Elite about how that happens.
Yeah.
And then he became a thing he wrote about.
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know much about that.
jimmy dore
Don't you think it's amazing how they fired the Arab reporters and the Muslim reporters at MSNBC because they were telling a little bit of the truth about what's happening or they were confronting people over it?
joe rogan
You have to have one narrative.
jimmy dore
And that's it.
But none of the...
They're supposed to stand up for these...
Why didn't Rachel Maddow say something?
Why didn't Chris Hayes...
None of them said anything.
Fake tough guy, Lawrence O'Donnell.
None of them said anything.
They just, okay, well, keep your head down and keep taking it.
You know, Rachel Maddow gets paid $100,000 a day.
To me, I don't know.
That's a lot of money.
Good for her.
joe rogan
You buy a lot of man suits with that money.
Do you have a Joe Scarborough video?
jimmy dore
When she was being interviewed by Ben, who's the, what's his name?
Ben, the guy who did Tropic Thunder, Ben, what's it?
Ben Stiller.
joe rogan
Oh, Ben Stiller.
jimmy dore
They were wearing the exact same suit.
joe rogan
Of course.
Of course.
That's one way that, for whatever reason, hardcore lesbians, when they want to be taken seriously, they dress like a man.
And they dress like a man in a business outfit.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Hannah Gadsby.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Look how she dresses.
She puts a suit jacket on.
jimmy dore
She's fantastic.
joe rogan
I'm serious.
I'm here for the meeting.
I'm here to explain things to you people.
Kirk can't stop talking.
jimmy dore
Look at Joe Scarborough.
unidentified
What does he say?
jamie vernon
Is this the one you're looking for?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Let me hear it.
joe scarborough
Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth.
unidentified
And F you if you can't handle the truth.
jimmy dore
It's six in the morning.
It's six in the morning.
F you.
unidentified
This version of Biden Intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.
Not a close second.
I've known him for years.
jimmy dore
Not a close second.
unidentified
The Brzezinski's have known him for 50 years.
jimmy dore
And we're all fucking liars.
unidentified
I wouldn't say it.
jimmy dore
And these people say that Trump's a liar.
I mean, Trump's a huge bullshitter for sure.
joe rogan
We're in a Coen Brothers movie.
jimmy dore
This is unbelievable.
And so, how could...
If you...
Can you imagine...
I don't know how many people watch that show.
joe rogan
45 people.
jimmy dore
Can you imagine still tuning in after that?
joe rogan
Yes!
I would fucking wake and bake and let's go.
Tell me about the world, Joe.
jimmy dore
Well, I used to watch...
I used to, before I went to sleep, I used to be a night owl when I was just a comedian before my show.
And so I would wait till 3 in the morning.
I'd be up late.
I'm like, oh, I can wait.
I can watch Joe Scarborough before I go to bed.
Morning Joe.
And the joke I used to do is I watch it before I go to bed because I like to go to bed angry.
I don't know how anybody could watch that again after that.
And have any self-respect.
Unless you're high and you're enjoying it.
joe rogan
You have to be high and enjoying it.
And then it becomes high comedy.
Because it's so good.
That was so good.
That was so good.
If you put that in a movie, people wouldn't buy it.
They would go, come on.
That's not real.
No one would do that.
This is stupid.
I've lost my disbelief.
jimmy dore
F you.
He's going to tell his own audience, F you, if you don't believe Joe Biden's not domestic.
joe rogan
Yeah, if I was in a movie theater, my suspension of disbelief would go, oh, come on!
This is...
jamie vernon
That's why I was confused when I was looking.
There's other videos I'm seeing.
That might have been a different time and time.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
jimmy dore
That was just a few weeks ago.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jamie vernon
This is saying right here, post the debate, and he's saying, like, they should replace...
joe rogan
No, after the debate, it changes the tune.
jamie vernon
That's part of the thing.
jimmy dore
So that was right before the...
Yeah, I thought this was after, okay.
No, that was weeks before the debate.
He's saying that.
I'm like, can you believe the balls on these people?
joe rogan
Crazy balls.
And so then after the debate, he does this 180, and there's all these videos that show him before and after.
The greatest 180 turnaround of all time.
jimmy dore
So if you go to the one up there with the black and white Joe, and then I just...
joe rogan
That's the one.
jimmy dore
Show that.
It's only 30 seconds.
joe scarborough
But I undersold him when I said he was cogent.
unidentified
He's far beyond cogent.
In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been.
This is a battle for the future of American democracy.
And now is a good time.
In June, thank God.
In June.
And not October.
In June.
joe scarborough
This is the last chance for Democrats to decide Whether this man we've known and loved for a very long time is up to the task.
jimmy dore
So that's just a matter of weeks in between those two jokes.
F you!
And I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.
Okay, thank God we can replace him.
I have a theory about this, by the way.
So they've never done presidential debates this early in the election season before, right?
And so my theory is that his own team sabotaged him.
They knew this.
So they wanted to get Joe Biden through the primary because now all the delegates are beholden to Joe Biden means they're beholden to the Democratic Party donor class.
Yes.
So there isn't no 50% Bernie Sanders delegates out there.
They're not going to have any trouble getting them to all coalesce at the convention and pick a new person.
So they wanted to get Joe Biden to go through, and then as soon as he got through the thing, they're like, oh, let's have a debate.
And then they knew he would look like this, so then they can have enough time to get rid of him.
That seems pretty plausible that that's what's going to happen.
And guess what's going to happen now?
So they're going to have a person at the top of the ticket who nobody voted for, because they're going to choose them at the convention, and nobody voted for this person, and they're saying democracy's on the ballot.
That's the irony.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, but what did they do to keep RFK Jr. out of the primaries to the point where he had to go independent?
jimmy dore
So, yeah, they were making it impossible for him to get on ballots.
How did they do that?
You know what?
He told me, but I can't remember.
But they were making it...
Well, when I remember the first time I had him on my show, it was like a joke.
I'm like, dude, you're running as a Democrat.
I go, why do you think they have superdelegates?
They have superdelegates for people like you.
It's not going to happen.
I can't get excited about your candidacy.
And so anything he said, I just didn't get into it, right?
I was appreciative of the stuff he was saying around COVID and things like that, but I told him it's a fool's errand, right?
And he's like, I'm a Democrat.
I've always been a Democrat.
I'm a Democrat.
And I'm like, yeah, the Democrats are going to screw you, and they did.
And so I don't know exactly how, but it got so untenable that he couldn't run inside, because they would have these different rules that they were just making up just to screw him.
joe rogan
Do they do this once there's an incumbent, right?
Once there's a president in place, do they do this because there's so many jobs that are completely dependent upon that guy being in office?
Not just the Democratic Party, but that guy.
So if a new guy comes in, like if RFK Jr. comes in, if he wins, then everyone's out of a job.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The whole machine's out of a job.
So it's very clear, watching Joe Biden talk, very clear, that he's not making all his decisions, and someone writes his stuff down.
We've seen the cue cards that he has.
They tell him what to say.
We see him read teleprompters and say, end of quote.
He says things like that.
He just did it again.
unidentified
He just did it again.
joe rogan
He does it all the time.
So we know that there's no fucking way he's the man behind the machine.
So that means there's a bunch of people that work for him that are essentially running the country.
And those people don't want to lose that position, including his wife.
His wife apparently, by all takes, and she did an interview afterwards, Where she said he's smarter than he's ever been, and I know him, I see him buying clothes.
She doesn't want him to stop.
jimmy dore
Pure evil.
joe rogan
What is that?
jimmy dore
That's just pure evil.
joe rogan
Do you think it's just like a power thing?
She's in power, she doesn't want to not be the first lady anymore?
Like, what is it?
jimmy dore
Yeah, of course.
That's what I think it is.
How could you not...
Have compassion for your own frickin' husband.
I mean, Jesus Christ.
I mean, he should have had his keys taken away years ago, and here she is trying, and you did a good job!
You answered all the questions!
unidentified
That was crazy.
jimmy dore
That's how you talk to a three-year-old.
He answered all the questions.
I could see answering one or two, but all of them?
joe rogan
If my wife talked to me like that, I would just start laughing, because I'd think, oh, she's fucking with me.
I wouldn't just stand there and like, yes, I did!
It's a wild video.
Play that video.
Play that video of Jill saying that to Joe.
I saved it.
jimmy dore
And by the way, I listened to the debate again on the plane.
Why?
joe rogan
Did you fucking get the pertinent information from round one?
You're like, I need to go over this with a fine-toothed comb.
jimmy dore
Because they kept saying that, oh, because the line now is that Joe might not have answered the questions quickly or loudly, but he was telling the truth.
His first answer, he lied three times.
Joe Biden.
He lied about the Medicare's...
It's $2,000.
He said it was $200.
He lied about the diabetes, and he lied about Trump saying the bleach thing.
Trump never said the bleach thing.
He was talking about ultraviolet iridation, which is a real thing that actually works.
joe rogan
Yes, it actually works.
And not only that, they've used it for decades.
jimmy dore
Yeah, but...
joe rogan
And there was talk about using it for respiratory diseases and shining light into the lungs.
jimmy dore
So I... I've talked to a doctor who told me that that worked well.
And so the people, like the medical association, they came to me and they go, hey, you have to sell this technology to us.
And he said, no.
And they go, well, if you don't, we're going to have a bullshit study that says this doesn't work.
And that's exactly what they did.
unidentified
Wow.
jimmy dore
And they do that to everything.
joe rogan
Let's play this real quick.
unidentified
You did such a great job.
You answered every question.
You knew all the time.
And let me ask the crowd.
jimmy dore
What did Trump do?
joe rogan
Oh, bro, he looks so baffled.
First of all, if I was in his corner, first thing I would have done is given him a hairpiece.
Let's go, bro.
You can't compete with Trump's wacky hair.
You need fake hair.
You need fully fake hair.
I think they'll buy it.
Don't even sweat it.
We're going to glue a nice piece on you.
You're going to have a distinguished head of hair.
Second of all, whoever the fuck is giving your Botox, back off a little.
Let the guy move the forehead a little bit.
This is ridiculous.
You're not tricking me to think that he's young.
jimmy dore
Oh no, that's not it.
joe rogan
Oh, when she helps him off the stage?
jimmy dore
Yes, this is it.
Watch it.
She has to walk him down the steps.
Are they going to show it?
Show it.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, he's got some bad knees.
jimmy dore
Show it.
Show it.
joe rogan
Old war injuries, bro.
jimmy dore
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was defending the Girl Scouts from the Taliban.
jimmy dore
Look at this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Look at this.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
He has to go sideways.
jimmy dore
And if you don't think that's the best version, fuck you, Joe.
joe rogan
F you.
jimmy dore
F you.
joe rogan
I love that guy because he's the tough guy Democrat.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
He's a bulldog.
unidentified
But he's a Republican.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's a Democrat.
He's on TV. Oh, yeah.
jimmy dore
On CNBC. MSNBC. Whatever it is.
Yeah.
Well, that just goes to show you that there's no difference between the parties.
And I remember when Donnie Deutsch accidentally let it slip out on Joe Scarborough's show.
joe rogan
Is Joe Scarborough actually a Republican?
jimmy dore
He was a Republican congressman.
joe rogan
But does he consider himself one now?
jimmy dore
I think so.
For real?
joe rogan
Just like a never-Trump Republican?
jimmy dore
Never-Trump Republican, yeah.
And Donnie Doidge said that, I remember if Bernie Sanders wins, this was back in 2020, if Bernie Sanders wins, I'll have to vote for Trump.
And Joe Scarborough's like, do you hear what you're saying?
And Donnie Doidge's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know why I said that.
I know why you said that, because you fucking would.
That's why.
They're scared of people who Bernie Sanders presents as being.
Turns out Bernie Sanders isn't that guy.
Bernie Sanders is a lapdog to power.
joe rogan
But didn't he just seem to become that as of recently?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think he's just tired?
jimmy dore
When you go back in time, he stopped talking to Ralph Nader.
He stopped talking to Michael Parente.
He was for the bombing of Kosovo.
He's always been a little bitch for the military-industrial complex, and it's disgusting.
I got so excited about Bernie Sanders, right?
I've never been more excited about a politician in my life.
And I've never been more let down by a politician.
They lied about the CARES Act, and he lied about putting...
Oh, we had to do it for the unemployment.
That was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history, was the CARES Act.
And that's a...
And nobody talks about that.
joe rogan
Explain the CARES Act to people.
jimmy dore
So that was right when COVID hit and they passed that $5 trillion bill.
$5 trillion.
Just out of nowhere.
They didn't go tax people for it.
They just fucking printed it.
$5 trillion.
And that was considered the largest upward trend.
And there was no money in there to pay people's salaries.
Remember?
That's what other countries did.
joe rogan
What did the $5 trillion go towards?
jimmy dore
Went towards the thousand richest motherfuckers in the country, basically.
That's where you got the...
If you had a business, you could apply for some kind of PPE loan and stuff like that.
joe rogan
A lot of people scam those loans.
jimmy dore
A lot of people.
joe rogan
I've seen so many arrests of people who bought Lamborghinis and shit.
You got one of those loans?
jimmy dore
I was like, fuck, everybody else is getting one.
I better get one.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Pay your staff and everything like that?
jimmy dore
Yeah, I told my wife, I go, we don't know what's going to happen.
So I said, hey, apply, see what happens.
They gave it to us.
I was like, what?
I couldn't fucking believe it.
joe rogan
So you have to pay it back?
Is that what it is?
jimmy dore
No.
joe rogan
It's just free money?
jimmy dore
No, if you don't lay off anybody, like for a certain amount of time, then you get to keep it.
But if you did- What?
Yes.
joe rogan
You just get free money?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
jimmy dore
Yes.
That's crazy.
It was five trillion dollars they gave out, Joe.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they gave it out probably to companies that didn't lose profit.
jimmy dore
I bet, yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
So if they didn't fire companies and they didn't stop operations.
jimmy dore
I wonder if somebody should look into how much did Amazon get?
Did they get money?
Did they get that kind of money even though...
joe rogan
They're smart.
They got paid.
There's a dirty, corrupt system.
They're a part of it.
Let's go.
Let's party.
I think we can bust this move out.
Everybody's sick.
jimmy dore
But don't you think...
joe rogan
It's called the CARES Act.
jimmy dore
It's called the CARES Act.
joe rogan
Like the Patriot Act.
Well, aren't you a patriot?
jimmy dore
And they say, yeah.
joe rogan
Aren't you a patriot, Jimmy?
jimmy dore
You don't care about America?
joe rogan
I don't care about America or none.
jimmy dore
Why do you hate freedom?
joe rogan
Yeah, why do you hate freedom?
You won't sign the Patriot Act.
jimmy dore
It's called the Patriot Act.
The most Nazi-like thing ever.
The government can now spy on you.
joe rogan
That's the Patriot Act 2. Okay.
You're thinking of the Patriot Act 2. Okay.
jimmy dore
Electric Boogaloo?
joe rogan
Or the National Defense Authorization Act.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Those ones.
jimmy dore
In the 2011 NDAA, Section 1021, Barack Obama got rid of habeas corpus.
joe rogan
That's not important.
What's really important is that we get these trillionaires all their money for COVID. Got rid of habeas corpus, Joe.
jimmy dore
So now, I mean, habeas corpus was in the Magna Carta.
So now we're operating on a Liberty View from somewhere around the 1100s.
And people don't...
Democracy's on the ballot.
You fucking...
Democracy hasn't been on the ballot for decades and decades.
You don't live in a democracy.
You live in an oligarchy, which was proven by a Princeton study over 10 years ago.
And when are you going to get pissed off about that?
No, no.
Because the TV guy says, no, no, it's Joe Biden's democracy and Trump isn't.
And don't you love all that shit about how, oh, he'll never leave office?
I didn't know that was an option.
I didn't know a president could just decide to not...
So every president has left office just because they're good people?
Just because they decided to?
Oh, he's going to be a dictator.
I didn't know a president...
I thought we had co-equal branches of government.
How is this all shit?
They just say this shit.
And it's none of it's true.
And they all just make it...
He was already president one time.
He left office.
joe rogan
We already lived through it.
Everybody's pretending that if he gets into office, he's going to be the horrible thing that they predicted that didn't take place...
When he was in office for four years.
What evidence are you basing this on?
The evidence that when he was actually the president, and he was for four fucking years, he did none of those things.
He didn't prosecute his political rivals.
He didn't go after Hillary Clinton.
jimmy dore
He didn't lock her up.
Even though she's a super criminal.
Remember the FBI, the Comey guy came out and he said, yeah, this is going to sound crazy in a couple of different ways, but yes, we found hundreds of high-level documents, secret classified documents on her server, but we're not going to prosecute her.
I know this is going to sound weird.
unidentified
Do you remember that?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
jimmy dore
Somebody made a hilarious video out of it.
They put it to music.
joe rogan
It was weird at the beginning because a lot of people, myself included, saw him firing Comey.
I'm like, whoa, you're going to fire the head of the FBI because he doesn't like you?
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
jimmy dore
Comey's a piece of shit.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is because of that happening...
It caused so many people to start going, what has the FBI done?
Like, what are they doing?
And then you start reading stories, and you start understanding the history of it, and you're like, oh, what?
jimmy dore
What did they do?
What have they been involved in?
Good things.
joe rogan
A lot of good things.
There's a few, but like whenever, with any kind of large organization, there's a lot of competitive people trying to rise to the top, you're going to get unscrupulous fellas.
jimmy dore
Sociopaths.
Right to the top.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're going to do some things.
And if they're in high positions of power and they can manipulate everyone around them to go with it, that's what you get.
You get in every human situation where people are in control.
unidentified
You know what you get?
jimmy dore
You get January 6th.
That's what you get.
You get Russiagate.
I know that the FBI lied to the FISA court 17 times so they could get a tap on Donald Trump's phones.
That happened.
They lied to the FISA court 17 times.
Nobody talks about that.
Nobody pays a price for that.
They did it to the goddamn...
You know, I'm sure you saw the video of when Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddow, and he says, well, talking about Trump, that he's being really dumb to criticize the intelligence community, meaning the CIA and the FBI, and Rachel Maddow says, why?
And he says, because they've got six ways this Sunday to mess with you back.
So what he really was saying there, that that was the leading Democrat in the Senate, the leader of the party, he was telling people into a camera that the president, that the CIA and the FBI doesn't work for the president, that he has to worry about them.
And if they don't work for the president, who the fuck do they work for, Joe?
joe rogan
Right.
Exactly.
jimmy dore
And of course, Rachel Maddow never asked that question.
She's never gonna do that because, you know, she's a lapdog of the military-industrial complex, Wall Street, Big Pharma, all of them.
They're all the same.
joe rogan
It's a natural thing that takes place when any organization gets extreme power.
And that was supposed to be mitigated, right?
And this is like the problem that Kennedy had with secret societies.
This is the problem that Kennedy had with the CIA and what Kennedy had with the NSA. Whenever you get people that are above everything, like this concept of the deep state, you put your tinfoil hat on when you just say the word, deep state.
Everybody who is not paying attention, people that are just reading mainstream news, you say deep state, they go, oh God, he's a QAnon guy.
I've got to get out of here.
The deep state's real.
jimmy dore
100%.
joe rogan
It's real.
It's the intelligence community.
jimmy dore
And Chuck Schumer said they don't work for the president.
What?
joe rogan
They don't.
jimmy dore
And they don't.
joe rogan
They don't.
jimmy dore
And so, I mean, they would even brag about it when Trump first became president.
They would go on, Comey and other people would go on interviews and they would say, you know, Mr. President, we're going to be here a lot.
We were here before you, we're going to be here after you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So they don't give a shit about the president.
I mean, they're just saying it out loud.
They would say it out loud.
And so, yeah, so people are conditioned.
joe rogan
But isn't that just what happens when you have competitive human beings locked into these organizations that have extreme power?
It's just you're always going to have that with human beings.
These are like human behavior patterns that they always follow.
jimmy dore
It's just like our country is ending the way all empires end.
We overextend ourselves militarily.
Which brings me to...
What is that you're smoking?
joe rogan
It's a cigar.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
When I don't want a full cigar, I smoke one of these little tiny Monte Cristos.
It's a little baby cigar.
You want a cigar?
I'll smoke a real one with you.
jimmy dore
No, I did that once, and it made, because I used to smoke cigarettes, and I'm like, oh, everybody started smoking cigars at one time when I first moved to Los Angeles.
I was like, oh, I could smoke cigars.
joe rogan
These are nice ones, because Ron White turned me onto these.
jimmy dore
It woke up the beast, and I started smoking cigarettes again.
Yeah, no good.
So I can't do it.
I even quit smoking pot recently, last September.
unidentified
I heard.
joe rogan
I heard.
jimmy dore
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched that video.
I thought it was really interesting.
jimmy dore
It makes people sad when I say it on stage.
joe rogan
Oh, that's silly.
That's silly.
jimmy dore
People go, oh, it makes them upset.
And I'm like, you know, it really woke me up to a lot of things.
I don't know.
I don't even...
People go, why?
Why'd you quit?
I don't even know why I quit.
Like, I feel like it was...
I think it came from a higher power.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know you were saying that, too.
I'm going to get a cigar.
jimmy dore
You're going to get a real cigar?
joe rogan
A real cigar.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
What made you go from the, I want a little one to a big one just now?
joe rogan
We're gonna talk about something serious.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
Goddammit, it smells...
Well, the thing that, why I stopped is because it smells so fucking good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I see what your point is, though.
And I see what you're saying.
And there's a thing that can happen with marijuana or with anything that alters your state of consciousness.
Including coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, everything.
Is you're using that to sort of cope and exist.
And you're not really being present.
You're always being present under the influence of these things.
And I've been guilty of that myself.
Sometimes you just want to catch a buzz.
Don't want to be here.
I just want to have a couple of whiskeys.
I don't want to be here.
I want to be here, but just be...
You know?
It's like sometimes the world's overwhelming and I think you miss a lot if you live in that state.
You miss a lot.
Like, one of the things that happens with people that have drug problems when they're young is they don't really mature properly.
Because they spent, you know, 15, 16, 17 doing meth, doing coke, partying.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And then by the time they get clean and sober, like, they're grown-up babies.
jimmy dore
Yes.
Well, they say that.
They say that when your addiction starts, you get locked into that level of maturity that you're at until your addiction ends.
joe rogan
Yes, and then you start growing, but now you're growing in a confused state, and you've also got this anxiety that's sometimes crippling because if you wasted a giant chunk of your life and not made any progress, and here you are a beginner at 35 years old, and you're out here in the world trying to get a regular job at 35, and nobody wants to hire you because you've been in 15 rehabilitation centers, and you got locked up for steel and hubcaps, catalytic converters, or whatever.
The thing that it does to you is it separates you from normal reality.
And that could be a positive or a negative.
If you have discipline and control and you're present and you really spend a lot of time thinking alone by yourself and meditating, you can use things to alter your state of consciousness to achieve new thoughts.
You tap into new ideas.
jimmy dore
Pot helped me a lot comedically.
It helped me.
joe rogan
It's comedy steroids.
jimmy dore
Yeah, it was a big deal for me.
It took me from being, I was a very narrow and rigid comedian, and then it opened me up, and it made me a much better comedian is all I can say, and it worked for a long time.
And it didn't, like, take away my discipline.
Like, I still had lots of discipline comedically, and then doing my, when I started my podcast in 2008 or 9, and then my radio show, and then, so it never, I was always...
joe rogan
You're an OG, 2008 or 9?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're up there with me then.
We were like at the same time.
jimmy dore
Yep.
I started with Todd Glass.
I started a show called Comedy and Everything Else.
And we would interview comedians.
And then I did like 152 episodes of that.
I just got tired of it.
And then I started doing the Jimmy Dore show because I got a radio show on KPFK in Los Angeles, which is a public radio show.
So it was all politics.
And comedy, you know?
And so I just shifted over to that.
And it was a pretty popular podcast.
It still is.
I mean, it would get like 50,000 to 60,000 downloads per episode, but it never sold tickets.
It's the weirdest thing.
But when I went on YouTube, that was immediately I started selling tickets.
Immediately.
As you know, that changes your whole life.
joe rogan
Yeah, the YouTube thing, that's a different world.
Everybody has it.
It's on every phone.
It's on everybody.
If you have Apple TV, people...
I watch YouTube more than I watch Netflix.
jimmy dore
Oh, no doubt.
Oh, no doubt.
joe rogan
Yeah, because if I watch Netflix, it's like I want to watch Peaky Blinders.
I sit down and watch it.
But YouTube's like, let me just fuck around, see what's going on in the world of ancient archaeology.
Let me watch a professional pool match.
Let me see this new muscle car build.
I get lost for hours.
If I want to zone out, if I'm exhausted, and I just want to zone out, I've did everything that I have to do, I just want to just chill.
YouTube.
I go right to YouTube.
So, hey, Jimmy Dore, what's he talking about?
Oh, I didn't know that.
And then I'm watching you yell at Cornel Westers.
Some other fucking person.
And I'm like, this is amazing.
Jimmy's a mad dog.
jimmy dore
I love having Kurt on the show because he gets upset.
And then I get to be amused by it instead of me getting upset.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a perfect balance.
jimmy dore
Kurt's sitting there going, everything's a fucking sign-up!
Everything!
Your whole life!
Everything in the world, okay?
Everything!
That's like at the two and a half hour mark of the show.
Everything!
Every fucking thing!
Everything!
And I just...
It gives me joy.
joe rogan
So you were saying, before I interrupted you, that you think that it was a higher calling.
That like quitting pot.
jimmy dore
So I started...
And when COVID happened, I started getting into Carl Jung and my unconscious and analyzing my dreams.
And then I realized that the...
That there is what Carl Jung calls God is a transpersonal self.
And he's the one who kind of figured out we have a collective unconscious.
So there only is one conscious.
I mean, you've done DMT and all shit, so you get all that.
But he was able to give himself like a mushroom trip when he was conscious without taking mushrooms, right?
And he would call it active imagination.
So he could go into his unconscious and confront all these things that like archetypes and God that lives in your unconscious.
And he had to have a person that was there to make sure he didn't go crazy.
And so he did this for like four years from like 1913 to 1917.
And he wrote it down on a thing called the Red Book, which he would not allow to be published for 50 years after he died.
Because he knew if people read it, it would discredit his work in psychology.
Because it sounds crazy, all this shit.
It's like he had mushroom trips and he would write it down, right?
But it was real.
And so what he did, so during those four years, he then spent the rest of his life trying to explain to people what he had learned in those four years in ways that they could understand it.
And so that's what the rest of his life was about.
And I remember they asked him, do you believe in God?
He says, I don't believe in God, I know.
unidentified
And I was like, man, that's badass when you can say shit like that.
jimmy dore
And so anyway, I started to get into this.
And so he figured out that we have a collective unconscious because he would see these symbols in his dreams.
And he knew that they were meaningful, but he didn't know what they meant.
And then he started to study alchemy, which alchemy isn't what you think it is.
Alchemy was about turning a psychological lead into psychological gold, and they were onto a lot of shit.
And they had to keep it secret because of the church, I guess, and so they had to speak in code, kind of.
And so he started to read alchemy, and he started to see these symbols that were in his dreams that they had written about, and they had already figured out what it meant.
And he was like, well, how the fuck...
Could I have a dream about something?
I didn't know any...
I never read this book before.
I don't know what...
And that's how he started to figure that out.
And so that shit has happened to me.
I'll see symbols in my dreams.
This happened.
So I was...
This is going to sound crazy.
So I'm in the jungle, in a clearing, and this creature comes over to me.
It looks like a big ape.
His body's like a big gorilla, but his head is like half of a lion, half human.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
And he puts his hand out, and I'm like, oh, he's going to crush me.
But I put my hand in his hand, and he took my hand gently, and he walked me into the jungle.
And I was like, what the...
So, I tell this to my...
I have an analyst who...
Jungian analyst who helps me decipher what my dreams mean.
And he said, you know, that's an archetypal god and that was them telling you it's time for you to go into the jungle of your unconscious, but you'll be safe if you longer...
And I was like, oh, so then a month later I'm reading this book and there's that fucking thing, the ape with the lion.
I'm like, there's a...
I'm like, what?
That's the thing!
I saw in my dream!
Like, how did that show up in my dream before I ever saw it before?
So I'm having the exact same...
joe rogan
Is there a drawing of this in Jung's book?
Or is it just a description in Jung's book?
jimmy dore
It's called a Mithraic God.
That's what I come to know.
I was like, that's the fucking thing that was in my dream.
So there's also another thing called the old man.
So Carl Jung talks about this a lot, like he would meet the old man in his dream, which was like...
A transpersonal self for God.
Yeah, like that.
joe rogan
That's it?
unidentified
Wow.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's an archetypal character.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
And I'm like, how the fuck did that...
joe rogan
And you had no idea and that thing showed up in your dream.
jimmy dore
I'd never seen it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
So that's depicted all throughout history, it looks like.
jimmy dore
I had no idea.
So...
joe rogan
How bizarre.
jimmy dore
I had this big decision to make in my life.
And it was...
So what Carl Jung says is that your unconscious, your transpersonal self, will create a scenario for you where there's no way out.
No matter which way you go, you lose.
So I was in one of those.
And I had a dream, and I'm standing in line at a Starbucks at an airport, and this guy taps me, and I see a shortcut.
So whenever there's a shortcut, I'm going to get, because it's a long line.
And so I figured out I can go over here and I can sneak and get in and get my coffee first, you know?
And so I'm like doing that.
And all of a sudden this taps and it's the old man with the gray hair that Carl Jung had talked about.
I didn't know it at the time.
And I just thought this and this old man, he didn't say anything to me.
It's like he just grabs my hand and he points to the end of the long line.
And I go, fuck you, old man.
Get away from me.
What the fuck do you know?
I eventually did take the long line.
Not in the dream, but in my life.
And as soon as I did, every...
So Carl Jung has another saying.
He says, the biggest problems in your life can never be solved.
They can only be outgrown.
And so I outgrew that.
I was like, oh.
So it happened.
And so I've had these experiences of...
joe rogan
But you didn't finish that thought.
What was wrong with the back of the line?
What did you realize by going to the back of the line?
jimmy dore
It's a little personal about the situation in my waking life, but I just knew what I had to do then, right?
Once I realized that, oh, the old man, that was my transpersonal self telling me, you got to do this.
And so I had an awakening.
I outgrew this problem.
Because, you know, it was like, you know, my Jungian analyst refers to it as, you know, you're on a crucifix right now, and the only thing you can do is hold, maintain, don't make a decision, don't do one thing or the other, just hold, and then something will appear.
And that's what appeared.
It was in my dream.
It coincided with the synchronicity in me reading a book about what I was supposed to do.
I'm like, holy fuck.
joe rogan
What do you think dreams are?
jimmy dore
So, I think it's a mistake to dismiss them.
I think dreams are the same consciousness that creates this waking life creates your dream life, right?
And they're important.
And if the more attention you pay to them, the more you'll get out of them.
And the more it'll rise up to meet you.
And so I keep a dream journal.
I write down every dream I have.
And you'll start to see patterns.
And it's...
I've had...
So I was reading this book called The Undiscovered Self by Carl Jung.
And it's amazing how it fits what's happening right now today, right?
And I tried to get to Bobby Kennedy to read it with me.
But he says in there, you know how during COVID... How comedians flipped and all of a sudden you weren't allowed to question.
You know, I do that bit about that you quoted before and you're not allowed to question and think for yourself.
joe rogan
It used to be called reading.
jimmy dore
Yeah, it used to be called reading.
Don't do your own research.
It's just reading.
So now they're shaming me for reading, right?
So...
Carl Jung talks about that you have a need.
You have a psychological need to have an experience of the divine and a deity and all that stuff.
And if you don't have that, you're going to create it.
And so that's how those people...
When I'm reading this book, I'm like, oh, that's what they did with COVID. They turned Fauci into a god.
They turned science into a religion.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy dore
You can't question it, right?
joe rogan
They're archetypes, right?
jimmy dore
So they just project it.
So Carl Jung's all about projection, that we're projecting all the time, and that's how we get to know ourselves, right?
So like when you fall in love with someone, his big one is that you have a feminine side inside of you, and it's called your anima, if you're a guy.
And if you're a female, you have a male, and that's called your animus.
And when you fall in love with someone like, oh, you know that thing like, oh my God, I can't live without this person.
This is the thing that I've been looking for in my...
That's when you project that part of yourself, it's in your unconscious, onto that person.
And so that's a real religious experience, because you're rejoining, religion meaning to rejoin, you're joining your conscious self with your unconscious self, and that's why it feels like you're being stimulated from the inside, because you are.
And you feel this oneness and this wholeness, and if I lose this person, I'll die.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy dore
And so that is what most people...
That's why guys in their...
It happens to guys in their 50s.
And that's why a lot of guys leave their wife and they go for...
It's fucking amazing how that happens, right?
So that's all projection.
And then eventually the projection falls off and then people get divorced, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So the religious experience is the combining of the two souls.
jimmy dore
The combining of your conscious self and your unconscious self, right?
joe rogan
In someone else.
jimmy dore
Yeah, and you experience it by projecting it on someone else.
And that's the phenomena.
And nobody knows it.
That's the phenomena of love, of romantic love, of romantic love, right?
And there's this whole book.
There's this old myth about Tristan and Isolde.
And I read this whole book by this Jungian scholar that explains what it's all about.
And you have to give up.
By the way, I meet my anima in my dreams all the time, and it's unbelievable.
It's fucking unbelievable.
So they have different people.
joe rogan
How often do you remember your dreams?
jimmy dore
Every day.
Really?
Yeah.
And so to the point where if I'm going to have a session with my Jungian analysis, I'll take a nap, and I know I'll have a dream or two, and I'll wake up and we talk about them.
I'm a good dreamer, especially when you quit smoking pot.
joe rogan
And is that when the dreams started?
Or did you have dreams while you were smoking pot?
jimmy dore
I had dreams while I was smoking pot.
joe rogan
But they're just more intense now?
jimmy dore
Yeah, after you quit smoking pot, your dreams become vivid and intense and over the top almost.
Almost too much, you know?
But now it's gone back to a normal level.
joe rogan
So let me ask you this again.
What do you think dreams are?
jimmy dore
I think dreams are spiritual, whatever is in your spirit, whatever is, it's God, for lack of a better term, trying to communicate with you and talk to you through symbols.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jimmy dore
That's what I think.
I mean, I'm not an expert on this stuff.
I've just been into it for like the last four years.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jimmy dore
And I just know my experience.
joe rogan
It is very strange how vivid they are.
jimmy dore
You are going to create it.
And that's what people did during COVID with science and Fauci and all that shit.
They projected it onto that.
And luckily enough, I've been having experiences of the divine through my dreams and my dream analysis And then I also see it when you see synchronicities.
Carl Jung talked about synchronicities, which are coincidences that have meaning.
They're not just coincidences, right?
And once you start to look for them, it's like when you buy a new car, you see that car everywhere.
It's like once you start to look for synchronicities, they start to happen.
So then it's like I'm constantly in communication with God.
For lack of a better word, that's how I feel about it, right?
And so everything that happens in my dreams and in my waking life comes from the same consciousness.
Carl Jung said that the future is set up by your unconscious long in advance, which is why it can be guessed at by clairvoyance.
So anyway, so this book, the Red Book, that he wrote down his experiences for those four years where he could give himself like a mushroom trip, it finally got published in 2010. And I'm not even able to read it.
Like, I just look at it and it's just like super confusing and it looks like crazy talk.
So what I do is I read books that he wrote up after he had that experience.
And I read books by other Jungian scholars explaining shit because it's...
He's dense, man.
He puts a lot of info in a little bit.
Like, it took me a week just to...
I was reading a book called The Mysterium Canuncho that he wrote, and it took me like a week, just the opening paragraph, just to keep going, like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, I tried reading his book on flying saucers.
jimmy dore
Oh really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What is Carl Jung's book on flying saucers called?
But he had this concept about flying saucers.
He thinks they're constructs of the mind, but not necessarily that they're not real.
It's a very strange...
Flying saucers.
No, it's a modern myth.
If you go to the back, go back to a modern myth of things seen in the sky.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
I haven't heard about this book.
joe rogan
See if you can find just a synopsis.
Just write, what did Carl Jung believe about UFOs?
See, does it say here?
Okay, let's just say, in the late 50s, the height of the popular fascination with UFOs, flying saucers, is the great psychologist's brilliant, prescient meditation on the phenomenon that gripped the world.
A self-confessed skeptic in such matters, Jung was nevertheless intrigued, not so much by their reality or unreality, but by their psychic aspect.
He saw flying saucers as a modern myth in the making to be passed down the generations just as we have received such myths from our ancestors.
In this wonderful and enlightening book, Jung sees UFOs as visionary rumors, the center of a quasi-religious cult, and carriers of our technological and salvationist fantasies.
Forty years later, with entire religions based on the writings of science fiction authors, it is remarkable to see just how right he has proved to be.
jimmy dore
Wow.
I'll have to read that book.
Yeah, I think the people the best book to start with Carl Jung is memories dreams reflections, which is his biography and he wrote And that that he you know, he let you in a little because he was he was more than a psychologist He was a mystic.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
And it's made all the difference in my life.
I considered myself a Sam Harris atheist, I used to call myself.
And that was mostly a reaction to me being brought up Catholic.
And so I was rejecting religion, but at the same time I was also rejecting spirituality.
And I didn't realize it, but now because of this experience I realize, oh no, it's just terminology.
God is real.
Your ego doesn't control things.
Once you can make your ego subservient to the transpersonal self and your unconscious, that's the key to life, realizing that you're just...
The way I describe it to people is that we're all part of consciousness.
Consciousness is an ocean, and then there's a huge wave.
The part of the consciousness we see is the wave, right?
And all I can do is surf that wave.
I can't create that wave.
I can't control it.
All I can do is try to surf it as best I can.
And by making your ego subservient and keeping your eye on the transpersonal center, which is what Carl Jung talks about, that's kind of the key.
Unless you experience it, it's hard to understand.
It's even hard for me to explain it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it does make sense.
jimmy dore
It's like trying to explain a DMT trip, I'm guessing.
joe rogan
I've never done DMT. It does make sense that a person like that, that is trying to understand how the human mind works, would have to take into account all sorts of bizarre things like UFO sightings, psychic experiences, dream states, endogenous psychedelic experiences.
There's a bunch of different ways you can...
Reliably achieve psychedelic states without any drugs.
One of them that I've done recently, even, is holotropic breathing.
And if you do holotropic breathing, you have what's almost like a mushroom trip.
jimmy dore
What is that?
joe rogan
Google holotropic breathing so you can get, I don't butcher the definition of it, but also a lot of people do breathing exercises in sensory deprivation tanks, which provides very vivid psychedelic experiences with no drugs at all.
jimmy dore
I did my first breathing exercise ever this morning.
joe rogan
This is just talking about the study of it.
There's a way to do...
Maybe I said the wrong word.
So, breathing to induce psychedelic states.
Just write breathing to induce psychedelic states.
I might have used the wrong word.
unidentified
All right, here we go.
joe rogan
Breathing their way to an altered state.
jimmy dore
Oh, excellent.
Look at it.
It's right there in fastballs.
joe rogan
New York Times, January 10th, so you know it's a lie.
Okay, what does it say here?
So do they call it holotropic breathing, or am I using the wrong terminology?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Okay, there it is.
Vigorous modality known as holotropic breathwork is offered at the end of an eight month training, eight months before they get you the holotropic breathing, to provide a lawful taste of the therapeutic potential and pitfalls of altered states of consciousness.
So Dr. J.J. Purcell, a naturopathic doctor from Oregon, was amongst the trainees who walked into the early October session skeptical that a couple hours of intense breathing could induce anything close to a psychedelic trip, but she was stunned.
The depth of what I experienced was so similar to psilocybin, Dr. Purcell marveled, referring to the psychoactive compound in magic mushrooms.
It was trippy.
jimmy dore
So you did that?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've done that a bunch of times.
jimmy dore
And does it work?
joe rogan
Yeah, it definitely works.
Especially works in a tank or when you're lying in bed, when you're quiet.
jimmy dore
So you just did a certain kind of breathing for hours?
joe rogan
Google, like, what is the protocol for holotropic breathing?
There's just like a specific way you're supposed to do it.
But I can achieve some reasonable form of a psychedelic state by just concentrating on breath.
I have this thing that I do, and I do it when I can't sleep.
My mind is racing, right?
So I force my mind to concentrate on one thing, and that's in with the good, out with the bad.
Those are the only words I allow in my head.
So as I breathe in, I go, and I lose track.
I start thinking about, oh, I forgot to call that guy back.
I start thinking, but then I get back to it.
In with the good, out with the bad.
b-real
In with the good, out with the bad.
joe rogan
And long breaths, I... When I'm doing that, I'm only allowing those words in my head.
The other ones are getting in there, but I'm pushing them out.
Get out of the door!
I'm the bouncer.
And then eventually I can achieve this very strange state.
This very strange state that with your eyes closed, you start seeing patterns.
You see this like weird sort of like matrix, like for lack of a better term, almost like a geometric grid of the world.
And usually I fall asleep when I'm doing that.
But I can stay awake.
It takes a while.
It might take 15-20 minutes of doing that.
But you get in there.
And I know that people that do Kundalini Yoga.
I have a friend who did Kundalini Yoga and he has also done DMT. He said, it is the exact same place.
You can absolutely get there.
You just have to be rigorous.
You have to practice it for a long time.
But they have a specific type of nodding and bobbing they do with intense breath work.
That gets you to this endogenous dump of psychedelic chemicals.
So one of the reasons why it's so insane that that sweeping 1970s psychedelic drug act took place Is not just that they used it to target civil rights leaders and anti-war movement people and the Black Panthers and anybody that was inconvenient, but also that it stopped us from being able to explore what these things are.
So one of the terms that psychedelics use, that people, when they talk about psychedelics, it's one of the more lofty terms, is entheogen.
And what entheogen means, essentially, it's like this is something that connects you to God.
Like, what is the term entheogen?
What is the actual – what's the literal translation of entheogen?
But that this is what they think – here it is – a chemical substance, typically a plant origins, that is ingested to produce a non-ordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes.
I think that's what most religions are based on.
I think they're based on either an understanding of how to achieve psychedelic states endogenously or people coming into contact with psilocybin, Amanita Muscaria.
There's a variety of different things that they probably came in contact with.
There's scholars out of Jerusalem now that believe that The interpretation from Moses in the burning bush, that that burning bush was probably the acacia tree, and the acacia tree is rich in DMT. Now, it just completely makes sense that burning a bush that is rich in DMT would connect Moses to God, and God would give Moses these commandments for how mankind should live.
That completely makes sense.
Well, it's probably a psychedelic experience, and there's probably a bunch of different ways to get them.
I think that's what monks are doing when they're spending the entire day isolated and meditating.
I think that's why they're willing to keep doing it.
I think that's why they're willing to stay.
Everybody's like, oh, those poor bastards.
Look at them.
No pussy.
Dressed like a retard.
Like, look at them.
This stupid fucking orange robe.
But those people, I think, are connecting to something.
Some other state that is more exciting than this one that we're kind of trapped in.
jimmy dore
Well, I've had the experience of...
I've only done mild doses of mushrooms in my life, maybe five or six times.
And the last time I did it, I remember when I would close my eyes, it would seem more real than when I opened my eyes.
It was like, oh, everything seemed flat and uninteresting.
And when I closed my eyes, I was like, this is the real thing.
I'd like to stay here longer.
So it's got to be what you said.
That's why people are willing to sit in a cave and meditate every day because it's more real.
It's a more like a rich experience.
joe rogan
I think we operate under the biological dimension.
That's where our thing moves around, under the biological dimension.
And all of our senses are tuned into the biological dimension because it involves injury and death and illness and crime and injustice and all these different things that can get you all ramped up in the biological dimension.
But we're also connected to something else.
And you can define that thing.
You can call it things.
You can call it heaven, the well of souls.
You can call it a bunch of different things.
I think calling it anything is a problem because we don't know what the fuck it is.
But whatever it is, I think there's a bunch of different ones and Terence McKenna described it as a mandala.
Like that there's like a mandala of different psychedelic experiences that the human body and the human mind is capable of experiencing.
And that there's all sorts of different ones.
You're going to a different neighborhood.
And that these chemical gateways that get you into these states, that's what these psychedelic drugs are.
We're looking at it like, oh, he's just escaping reality.
I think they're chemical gateways.
I think they're chemical gateways into other dimensions, into some other realm that you cannot get there with this thing that's worried about, oh, I'm getting a belly.
It's because of your ego.
Yeah, ego.
And just the reality of having to pay your bills and keep the lights on.
There's just too much weird shit here that distracts you.
Joe Biden's fine.
He's the best version of Joe Biden ever seen.
You're driving to work going, I'm in the upside down world.
This is like fucking Stranger Things.
What is happening here?
unidentified
This is crazy!
joe rogan
You're losing your fucking mind.
And that all this does, all this chaos, this is like if the devil and God were real.
This is the chaos.
This is hell.
The hell is this confusion and this constant lack of peace.
Everyone's filled with anxiety.
jimmy dore
Well, Jesus said, there's a quote, that the kingdom of my father is laid upon the earth, but the eyes of men don't see it.
So, yeah, so we're creating our own hell, right?
And it's, I think, over-identification with the ego mind, you know, which is different than, you know, you got a big ego.
That's different.
The ego mind is like what you're conscious of, your idea of who you are.
And then the things that you don't like, according to Jung, you split them off and you put them into your unconscious.
So when people who hate...
Trump, like when you see people who have Trump derangement syndrome, that's because they're projecting that part of themselves that is like Trump onto him.
And so then they can hate that.
And that when you have a big reaction to something external, whether it's you love something intensely or you hate something intensely, that tells you it's about you.
I never hated Trump.
I hated the system that got us Trump.
I tried to keep my focus on...
It was because Barack Obama bailed out the banks and kicked 5.1 million families out of their homes and then went on to give us a right-wing fucking healthcare plan that was a giveaway to Big Pharma and insurance company and he didn't really help.
That's what laid the groundwork for people to go for someone like Trump.
That always does.
So when people hate...
The people who hate Trump the most are people who have split off that part of themselves that is Trump and put it in their unconscious, and then they're experiencing them themselves as they project it onto him.
You know those people.
I know a lot of those people.
You know, like Rob Reiner, you know, like Bill Maher.
Like there's lots of those people everywhere.
And they just tell these fantasies about him.
He's never going to leave.
Oh, Robert De Niro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Now, Kurt's convinced that Robert De Niro's on some kind of Epstein list or some kind of thing like that, and then he's afraid that if Trump does get power, he's going to expose him, and he is actually going to come at him.
joe rogan
Of course Kurt thinks that.
Kurt thinks that about every fucking thing that happens in the world.
jimmy dore
I think Robert Cennaro's just got Trump derangement syndrome.
joe rogan
I think he's old, too.
There's a thing about old men.
They want to yell at everybody.
jimmy dore
And he's completely...
Did you see when he went and gave that speech outside of the...
That was bizarre.
joe rogan
Who told him that was a good idea?
jimmy dore
And then he starts yelling at regular people.
He's like, fuck you, you're a gangster.
Go fuck yourself.
joe rogan
It's crazy that that's the guy from Taxi Driver.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what also I think?
I think those guys have no friends.
I think the only friends they have are Hollywood phonies.
And so you're in this weird world where everybody you talk to is a phony, and you become a phony, and everyone's a phony, and your grasp on reality is very slippery, and your eyes are going, right?
So your vision of the world, your actual vision of the world, your ability to read a phone.
You ever see old people's text messages?
The fucking text on their phone is like as big as my hand?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
And so your vision of the world is blurring, literally and figuratively, and then you're getting old, and when old people are tired and cranky, They just want everyone to listen to them and they don't have time to have a calm conversation and you state out your opinion.
I'll state my opinion.
Let's see where we have common ground.
Get off my lawn!
And that's what he's doing.
That's what he's doing.
He's being this old grumpy man that is so lost that he thinks it's a good idea to stand in front of a bunch of people on the street and give a speech on camera about how bad Donald Trump is.
With all the shit that's going in the world.
jimmy dore
I know.
joe rogan
All the craziness of the world.
jimmy dore
Right now, the guy you're voting for, a lot of people consider, is funding a genocide.
Right?
So, you don't think that's horrible?
Again, if he knew what was happening in Ukraine, more people being slaughtered in Ukraine, for what?
joe rogan
And we just signed another 10 years of that.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Signed on for another 10 years.
Worth, what, $800 billion?
jimmy dore
So this is all a money funneling operation.
That's what Afghanistan was, and as Julian Assange taught us, that these wars aren't meant to be won, they're meant to be ongoing.
Because they had a peace agreement, you know that.
They had a peace agreement almost immediately after the invasion, Russia invaded.
They had a peace agreement.
Ukraine agreed to it.
Zelensky agreed to it.
And they flew Boris Johnson out there and said, don't fuck, you can't do this or we're going to kill you.
And so that's why he can't do it.
And so that's why this war is ongoing and they have to rip people off corners and put them in vans to go fight in this fucking war.
The average age of the Ukraine military is over 40 years old.
joe rogan
Have you seen the videos of guys getting kidnapped?
jimmy dore
Yes!
I can't even watch it.
joe rogan
Guys with their families.
They just grab a guy.
jimmy dore
They just grab him.
joe rogan
Grab him and people are screaming and they're throwing him in a van.
You're gonna go fight in a war.
jimmy dore
I think you lost the war.
So they did.
And then, of course, nobody knows how this war started.
You've had Dave Smith on.
He explained it.
Nobody still to this day knows about the Maidan coup, that the United States got in bed with right-wing Nazis in Ukraine to overthrow democratically elected government.
And then they started bombing the people in the east of Ukraine, called the Donbass, and they wouldn't stop.
They had two peace agreements called the Minsk Accords.
Guess who violated them?
Ukraine.
And so, you know, I've heard people say that.
And then, of course, it was the expansion of NATO, right?
The threat of putting NATO on the border of Russia, which everybody from Kissinger to Chomsky and everybody in between said, that's a mistake.
Don't do that.
That's, of course, what they're doing.
And so what's the point of NATO anymore?
And then this whole idea, they're doing the domino theory again.
Oh, well, if we allow him to do this to Ukraine, he's going to go to Poland next.
It's the same fucking shit they said all the time.
It's the domino theory.
And again, the world's terrorists are the United States.
Look what we did to Iraq.
Look what we did to Libya.
Libya, the most successful country in all of Africa.
The guy created the eighth wonder of the world with the way how he delivered water and turned deserts into farmland.
And everybody had a house and everybody had education and healthcare.
And we turned it into a failed state run by terrorists with open slave markets.
Who did that?
Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton did that.
And they'll never have to pay a price for that.
Barack Obama, the most they'll do is go, that was a mistake.
joe rogan
Why did they get rid of Qaddafi?
jimmy dore
Because he was going to start a currency of Africa that was going to compete with the US dollar and the euro, and they can't have that.
Because the way the United States controls the world is because the United States dollar is the reserve currency of the world.
So that's why they can put sanctions on all these countries.
And so what they're doing, which they shouldn't do, they're weaponizing the US dollar.
So like when countries want to trade with each other, they have to go take their currency, change it into U.S. dollars so they can trade.
And a lot of it was based on the petrodollar, which by the way, Saudi Arabia just quit.
They didn't renew it.
I don't know if you heard about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did hear about that.
jimmy dore
And all of a sudden, CBS News is starting to do news stories about how Saudi Arabia was involved in 9-11.
All of a sudden!
24 years later, all of a sudden, oh, you know what?
Turns out...
And they're like, you mean two weeks after they decided to not renew the fucking petrol dollar?
Now CBS News is allowed to talk about that and investigate it, which when I talked about it, got demonetized.
But anyway...
So that's why, because Gaddafi was doing that.
He was going to set up a currency for all of Africa, and it was going to have a gold standard.
And so they're like, no, you're not.
You're not fucking doing that.
And they made up a bullshit thing like, we got to save the people.
They don't give a fuck about the people in America.
They've got veterans and everybody else living under every goddamn bridge in this country.
If they gave a shit about those people, don't you think they'd start helping the people right outside the front door?
Instead of, no, we've got to go help people in Libya, and we've got to help people.
It's about helping people in Ukraine, and it's about helping people in Taiwan.
No, this is all about an upward transfer of money.
This is about balkanizing countries and turning it over to BlackRock and Vanguard.
That's what this is about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And we'll be right back.
joe rogan
That's a good rant.
That's a solid rant.
Biden is sending $61 billion to Ukraine.
Much of it will pass through the U.S. economy first.
jimmy dore
You mean in weapons manufacturing and things like that?
By the way, there's no oversight.
joe rogan
Isn't it better to just say the U.S. economy?
Why do you have to look at the bad side of things?
jimmy dore
But this is how they sell it to us.
Like, no, no, we're actually investing in our own country.
If you want to invest in our own country, why wouldn't you build fucking bullet trains?
Why wouldn't you do that?
Why wouldn't you build affordable housing for people?
Because people can't afford...
Now, you know, the new generation can't afford fucking houses.
Why wouldn't you do things for people?
Why wouldn't you give people health care that doesn't bankrupt them or an education that doesn't bankrupt them?
We're ending...
joe rogan
Excuse me, I don't think you've read that our military aid to Ukraine is revitalizing manufacturing communities across the In the United States.
jimmy dore
The most inefficient way to stimulate economy is military spending.
Now, I've known that for a long time.
It's the lowest return on your dollar.
joe rogan
It is a crazy spin.
jimmy dore
Because, yes, that's how they're doing it.
Now, that's how they're doing it.
Well, you saw Lindsey Graham.
I don't know if you saw this.
He said that there's $15 trillion in natural...
And rare earth minerals in Ukraine.
And if we don't get it, China's going to get it and Russia's going to get it.
So now, three years into this war, you're telling me it's about, why can't we just do regular economic shit and try to out-compete people?
Because that's all this is.
These are economic wars that they turn into.
Well, Fred Hampton said that politics is war without violence.
War is politics with violence.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And so that's what these wars are.
None of them are real.
They're not what you think they're for.
It's all made up.
And we keep falling.
I can't believe people still fall for the Ukraine war.
joe rogan
Well, they went into that so quick.
They got rid of the...
jimmy dore
Well, Russiagate set it up.
And when I was at the Young Turks, I would tell those people, those knuckleheads at the Young Turks, when they were Russiagating, I'd go, you know they're going to use this for a war.
And that's exactly what, they knew they were doing that.
They knew that they were getting people mentally ready for a war with Russia.
And right now it's a proxy war with Russia.
That's what this is.
And of course they did it.
And of course if you say something, they call you a Putin puppet.
Just like you were an Assad toady.
If you said something, the truth about Syria, like Tulsi Gabbard was saying.
Or if you said the truth, remember, I mean, if you said there weren't weapons of mass destruction, you were called a traitor.
It's the fucking never ends.
It's the same playbook and people fall for it every time.
And it's because we are the most propagandized country ever.
In the world!
You think China is?
You know, when people in China watch the news, they know it's propaganda.
In the old Soviet Union, people knew that was propaganda.
The difference between that and now is people in America, they think they're watching the news when they turn on Fox, CNN, MSNBC. And isn't it weird?
It never clicks to anybody that when Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity are telling you the same thing about Ukraine, my spidey sense is like, oh, this is fucking bullshit.
Yes, it is!
Yes, when they're telling you the same thing about COVID or vaccines or lockdown, doesn't your spidey senses go out that this has got to be bullshit?
So they all agree, again, just like the Republicans and Democrats, they all agree on the worst of things, right?
They all agree on war.
They all agree on screwing workers.
They all agree on keeping us having the most expensive healthcare in the world.
They all agree on not doing anything to fix homelessness and not investing in our own infrastructure.
So they agree on all the worst things.
It's like...
It's like having two divorced parents, but they both agree on sending you to military school.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a conundrum, for sure.
But don't you think that more people are aware that it's bullshit than ever before?
jimmy dore
I hope so.
I think COVID woke up a lot of people.
joe rogan
I think it did, too.
And I think shows like yours and these shows that are online now that aren't beholden to a corporation, that are independent shows, that can actually connect the dots with knowledgeable people that actually understand the history behind everything.
It's just a different world now.
jimmy dore
You know, even with YouTube, Joe, it's amazing how many people towed the company line.
They towed the company around Ukraine war.
They towed the establishment line around COVID and vaccines and shamed anybody.
It was just amazing.
I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
So there's only maybe a couple of places that you can get reliable news, even in independent news, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
The gray zone had to debunk.
They debunk everything.
joe rogan
The gray zone?
jimmy dore
Yeah, Max Blumenthal and Aaron Maté.
joe rogan
Okay.
jimmy dore
Yeah, and they helped debunk Russiagate, they helped debunk the Syria gas attacks.
Aaron Maté did extensive work on that.
I was first.
But, you know, I'm a dumb guy, I have to take credit where I can, you know?
joe rogan
How did you debunk that?
jimmy dore
I knew because Robert Fisk had done reporting on the ground.
He was one of the most decorated war reporters in Europe.
And it didn't make any sense on its face that Assad, who was winning the war at the time, would do the one thing Barack Obama said if he crossed that red line and used chemical weapons.
He would then go do it.
And they only killed like 50 people at a time with a chemical weapon.
So why the fuck would he do that?
Of course that was a false flag done by...
And then the OPCW... So the OPCW, which is the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons, right.
And so they used to be considered, you know, nonpartisan and non-captured.
And they would go in and they would, if there was a chemical weapon used, they would go in and they would do a report.
Well, of course, they got captured, right, by NATO in the billionaire class.
And so they go in, they do their report, and they're like, oh yeah, it was Assad, he did it.
But then the whistleblowers came out and said, no, that's not what happened.
They suppressed the engineer's report, they suppressed this report.
These canisters were laid there.
This wasn't dropped from a helicopter.
So it was all bullshit, right?
So, of course, Assad didn't do that, right?
And so I was on to that first, and then Aaron Maté came back, and he did meticulous reporting on it.
He's written at least 10 articles on it, which nobody will ever debunk.
Nobody, because they can't, right?
And he...
So, anyway, so...
And Russiagate, I knew immediately Russiagate was bullshit, because I brought on Bill Binney, who was the number, NSA's number one code breaker for decades and decades, and he came on and he explained to me that they didn't hack into that DNC server that was downloaded locally, right?
And now we know that, how much shit, they wrote a smear piece about me in the Washington Post, because I was asking logical questions about what happened with Seth Rich.
Hey, where was he from the time he left the bar to the time he got home?
joe rogan
You're not allowed to ask ethical questions about a guy that WikiLeaks said leaked them information that DNC was conspiring to keep Bernie Sanders out of the primary.
You're not allowed to.
jimmy dore
I remember Jeff Bezos hired a guy at the Washington Post to smear me over that, right?
And they did.
joe rogan
I don't know if Jeff personally was involved.
Don't you think Jeff's busy?
I mean, it was his paper, but how much time do you think he's spending at his paper?
jimmy dore
But why do you think he bought that paper?
Do you think he bought that paper because he wants to inform people about what the billionaire class is up to, Joe?
joe rogan
It's super profitable?
jimmy dore
It's not!
It's not.
joe rogan
It makes billions of dollars a year.
unidentified
No, it does really well.
joe rogan
It only tells the truth.
jimmy dore
In fact, the head of the Washington Post went into the newsroom, this is like a month ago, and I don't know how it got leaked out that he said, hey, nobody's reading your shit anymore.
People are done with the corporate news, hopefully.
Well, that's why you saw that I can't think of her name, that idiot from the Washington Post who covers social media.
joe rogan
Taylor Lorenz.
jimmy dore
Yeah, the 40-year-old teenager.
And she did a TikTok about how I don't know.
People don't understand what the country is going to look like without these corporate journalists.
Because they just fired like 10,000 of them.
And I go, I know what the country is going to look like.
I'm going to wake up every morning and an animated bluebird is going to land on my shoulder and we're all going to break out into song.
Okay?
Yeah.
Because corporate news is fucking nothing but bullshit propaganda.
We've known this forever.
joe rogan
Right.
And if you can...
jimmy dore
But people keep falling for it.
joe rogan
I think...
People don't think that independent news can replace it, but I 100% think it can.
And I think it has more of a likelihood of doing that because if you can get independent journalists that now they can develop substacks and podcasts and they can go and do things on their own and they get funded They don't need anyone else anymore, so then they can tell the truth, right?
So they're not beholden to some enormous corporation.
If a podcast had a building like CNN's building in Atlanta, I'd start getting nervous.
I'd be like, hey, how much overhead is this?
How are you guys paying the bills?
You got so many people working here, and your show sucks.
You have nobody watching, and there's so many people.
This is a fucking disaster.
Like, what are you guys doing?
They just closed their Atlanta building.
jimmy dore
Did they?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, of course they did.
How would they have another building open?
How do they have any buildings open?
Imagine a show that gets a podcast that gets that few views, but as who knows how many hundreds of employees, giant buildings, They're on an airport, so you get zero views.
Nobody gives a fuck.
I mean, it's a crazy business model.
jimmy dore
And Don Lemon started his own YouTube channel, and nobody's watching.
joe rogan
It's wonderful.
It's as good as Joe Scarborough talking.
jimmy dore
So I got invited on that show, and I turned it down a few times, and my assistant was like, hey, look, they really want you to do this show.
And so I was talking to my friend Jackson Hinkle, and I said, yeah, Don Lemon keeps inviting me on the show.
He goes, you gotta go!
And I'm like, it would just be me trying to insult him, you know?
It would just be me saying how shitty he is and how he's the, you know, because I had just gotten done doing a rant about Chris Cuomo talking about ivermectin, but still lying about it.
And he goes, yeah, that would be fun to watch you do that.
And I go, okay, I'll do it.
So I told my assistant, I could tell him I'll do the show.
So we set it up.
And I go, just me.
I go, I'm not going on with anyone else.
I'm not having a debate with another asshole and Don Lemon.
I go, I'll just go on with Don Lemon.
And they agreed to it.
And so the morning we were supposed to do the show, an hour show, just me, they canceled.
joe rogan
Really?
jimmy dore
Yes.
joe rogan
Interesting.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Maybe because Don Lemon's like, oh, who am I interviewing today?
And then he Googled me.
He's like, no, we're not.
And that was right when I did a video, you know, calling out Chris Cuomo for being a lying piece of shit.
That went kind of viral.
joe rogan
All right, so Chris Cuomo probably called up.
They probably talked.
They're probably homies.
jimmy dore
He probably saw that video.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
He probably went to, you know, putting Jimmy Dore on Twitter and that comes up.
joe rogan
Well, he should be, if he wants to become successful, being an independent person, he's going to have to engage in conversations with people he disagrees with.
jimmy dore
He still calls the truth about COVID conspiracy theories.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a fool.
jimmy dore
He's a fool.
joe rogan
He's a genuine fool.
jimmy dore
He's one of those guys, Ivermectin's horse paste.
The lab theory is racist against Chinese people.
joe rogan
He had a whole episode with Sanjay Gupta after Sanjay Gupta came on here.
jimmy dore
Admitted that they were lying about Ivermectin and then they tried to pretend that they weren't.
joe rogan
But it is horse medicine.
It was used for human beings for 12 fucking years.
Before they ever used it for veteran medicine.
Don Lemon, you fucking moron.
It's just so – the idea that these talking heads who they had on CNN should be some sort of a moral compass and an ethical compass for the rest of us is so fucking stupid and so insulting, especially when you see these people on their own.
So when you see these people on their own, like when you see Dave Smith – Debating Chris Cuomo and just fucking nuking him.
And then you see Don Lemon doing his show and you go, okay, this is who you guys are.
For real, for real.
This is the real for real.
When you see fucking Brian Stelter doing that WEF thing, hiking up his skirt for those lizard people.
The whole thing is like, this is who you really were.
This is you guys.
You surviving on your own in this independent platform, good luck, because this platform is transparent.
They're gonna see you for who you are.
No producers, no fuckin' scripts you're gonna read off of.
That shit won't even work in this realm.
It doesn't work.
jimmy dore
So I have this dream to produce a show that would compete with Bill Maher.
I don't know if you've ever seen, I do live shows, right, with a panel.
And a live audience, right?
So it's kind of like Bill Maher, but it's funny and it's accurate.
So I've been pitching it to Rumble.
You know what Rumble is, right?
unidentified
Sure.
jimmy dore
And so thank God for Rumble because I don't have to ever worry about being censored.
joe rogan
Rumble's great.
jimmy dore
They've been out in front on the free, like, we're not going to censor you whatever the fuck you want.
That's up to you and your audience.
And I'm like, oh my God.
And so I travel around the country and nobody's fucking heard of Rumble.
I mean, except- More people have now than ever before.
People are starting, and so I tried to talk to them, and they're like, hey, why don't you finance a show and a soundstage for me, and we could compete with Bill Maher, and instead of real time, we'll call it rumble time, and we'll put a billboard up in Times Square right across the street from where Bill does his fucking show, and this would be like- It's a good idea.
And they were on board, but I guess it was too much money.
I don't know how much money they had.
It wasn't that much.
It's like- I got it down to like 90,000 an episode.
For like a real thing that would look exactly as good as Bill Maher, which you know that costs a couple million dollars an episode, right?
joe rogan
And would you do it in front of an audience?
jimmy dore
Yes!
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Of course.
I've got the studio.
unidentified
Like your shows.
joe rogan
Like your stand-up shows.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
So I do those.
I travel with that show.
I do a video show hooked up to my computer.
And it's kind of a mixture of The Daily Show and Bill Maher's show.
I have a panel.
Right.
And we have the comedy.
joe rogan
I've seen it.
It's very funny.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Yeah, that one thing about Rachel Maddow lying 35 times.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love that man.
jimmy dore
So I do that and I tour.
The next time I'm doing it is in Chicago in August, right before the convention.
I got press credentials.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
jimmy dore
I can't...
Well, I shouldn't say anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, we probably shouldn't have told anybody.
unidentified
I shouldn't have said anything, but I got them.
joe rogan
Well, you're a real journalist.
You should get press credentials.
jimmy dore
I was there in 2016. Of course, they didn't have any conventions in 2020 because of COVID, right?
But 2016, I went to the Republican and the Democrat, and that's where I met Alex Jones.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
That video's hilarious.
jimmy dore
It's hilarious in retrospect.
It was, I guess, at the time, too.
But, yeah, it's nice that we've made up and...
joe rogan
Yeah, the Alex Jones thing is strange.
jimmy dore
It's amazing how right he is about shit.
He's right about so many things.
He's way more accurate than corporate news, that's for sure.
joe rogan
But he got that one thing wrong.
jimmy dore
The one thing wrong.
joe rogan
Well, he's gotten other things wrong, but that one thing was a big one.
And that one thing changed.
Maybe they did.
I mean, it could have been that they did.
I do think that that is something that does happen.
One of the things when something happens is people.
And I don't know if it's...
Human beings or if it's groups of its foreign groups They will concoct a fake narrative and try to get people to share it Like they'll try to fool people into sharing a fake version of some real thing that happened and I think they do that to undermine people that are conspiracy theorists that are occasionally correct and So if you can get a conspiracy theorist who's occasionally correct and get them a bunch of bad information,
foolish information, and convince them on a website, polls, get a bunch of people involved that also believe it, you know, I think that's where Flat Earth got started.
And you get all these people, like, sharing things and believing things, and then if this person, they take the bait, and they'll go, this is what we're hearing.
We're hearing this is a false flag.
And then next thing you know, like, we got them.
We got them.
And if you're a guy like Alex Jones, who at the time was Legitimately experiencing what you would call like a psychotic break.
He was breaking.
You know, the guy was drinking like crazy and, you know, when you're uncovering real conspiracies all day long every day, which is what he does.
jimmy dore
Nothing seems crazy.
joe rogan
Everything seems off the wall.
The whole fucking world seems topsy-turvy.
Nothing makes sense.
He fucked up.
But he's right so often.
If you look at what CNN is fucked up on, how come they're not in trouble for the weapons of mass destruction shit?
How come they're not in trouble for Russiagate?
How come they're not in trouble for so many...
jimmy dore
Which fuck up do you think is bigger?
The one that Hillary and Barack Obama did in Libya?
Yeah.
Or Alex Jones.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Which one do you think is bigger and worse?
joe rogan
Yeah, one of them seems bigger.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's also, it's like the news.
The news, when they were lying about certain things, how much damage did they do?
I've always said this, that imagine if...
The news people were skeptical about the vaccine.
The news people were skeptical about not being able to use off-label medications at a doctor's discretion, especially ones that have been actually shown to stop viral replication in vitro.
And there's a history of success in using these things in other countries.
Like Urdar Pradesh in India.
There's a bunch of different things that were going on simultaneously, and yet they're still being stopped.
Wouldn't the real news imagine, if the real news is like, hold on, it seems like there's special interests involved here, and there's a financial incentive to push this one thing, which is what they have to do in order to get the Emergency Use Authorization Act.
There can't be any valid pharmaceutical drugs that are available currently that we could prescribe.
That's the only way you can get some new thing to pass through.
Imagine if that was the news.
And podcasters were like, it's safe and effective.
If you get it, you won't get sick.
If you get it, you won't share it to anybody else.
The virus stops with you.
And then there are no, there's none, all this talk about side effects, it's not true.
It's not true.
I've never seen a single person that had a bad reaction to this new experimental gene therapy.
Imagine if it was the podcasters.
We would all be in the news.
We would all be getting sued.
They would use it to shut us down.
That would be the misinformation that they would feed us to get us to say stupid shit so that we would endanger people's lives and ruin people's health and they would shut us down.
jimmy dore
100%.
How are they not suspect of...
An industry that has immunity from lawsuits if their product harms people.
In the history of the humanity, that's the only one.
Yeah.
Well, why did they pass a law that, well, because they're safe?
Well, that doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
That's not true!
jimmy dore
If they were safe, you wouldn't need to fucking pass that law that gave immunity from lawsuits.
joe rogan
Literally, when they were trying to figure out why they needed this, and they were saying, why don't you make vaccines safe?
The literal explanation was, it is impossible to make them entirely safe.
jimmy dore
So what you're saying is they're not entirely safe.
You're going to injure some people.
joe rogan
Almost all medications.
Of course.
If you give them to enough people, you're going to have side effects.
And then when you have a new one, and then when you understand how they're allowed to do studies, and how they're allowed to throw out all the studies that show it does harm, or it doesn't work, or it's not effective, and then you fucking finagle the numbers in a way that you can push it, I think we're going to see a real improvement here.
Like, okay, run with it!
Go!
And then the money starts rolling in.
jimmy dore
Yeah, and that's how they captured the news because Bill Clinton let them in 1997. I think they passed a law that let Big Pharma.
Now, most of the funding for news comes from...
joe rogan
Brought to you by Pfizer.
jimmy dore
By Pfizer, right?
And so, of course, they get to...
So, they're not...
So, what I say is that when you see Boeing advertising on Meet the Press or Pfizer advertising on CNN, they're not funding the news organization's investigation.
They're funding their non-investigation.
Right?
They're like, this is money so you don't fucking investigate us.
Exactly.
And the people who do, like my friend Anita Krishna in Canada, she worked for a, I forget the name of the global news, or some big news network in Canada, and so she started to ask just regular questions.
And she got fired.
And she videotaped her session where they fire her.
You know, like, hey, why are you...
She's like, isn't that what we're supposed to be doing?
We're a news organization.
Aren't we supposed to be asking the questions why there's all these miscarriages that are happening at the hospital?
Aren't we supposed to be asking about the explosion of cancer?
Aren't we supposed to be asking these questions?
Isn't that what we do as a news organization?
And she got fired for that, of course.
Yeah.
And so, here's the latest thing.
joe rogan
But don't you think that this craziness is good for us?
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah.
Well, I wouldn't have a show if CNN and MSNBC... Not just us, but us as a population.
joe rogan
Because it's so stupid that we get through it and then more people wake up.
jimmy dore
I hope so.
joe rogan
I think it's the only way we're going to really know who's pulling the strings.
jimmy dore
I keep bumping into, you know, I go to comedy clubs and...
joe rogan
You live in LA. That's the problem.
You've got to get out.
Texas is a different world.
jimmy dore
Is it really?
joe rogan
100%.
Wait till you come to the show tonight.
jimmy dore
The comedy community here?
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
You just wait, sir.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in for a time of your life tonight.
Yeah, it's wild out here.
jimmy dore
All right.
joe rogan
It's wild.
jimmy dore
It's a different world.
Like I said, I did a set in Hollywood just last week, and the comedian after me called me an anti-vaxxer.
I was like, you're fucking kidding me.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
It's so dumb.
jimmy dore
You're kidding.
joe rogan
What does that even mean?
It's such a dumb...
jimmy dore
I took the fucking vax, asshole!
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
jimmy dore
Anyway, but there's this new thing, Joe, so I found out.
So when I quit smoking pot, I couldn't sleep, and I thought I was going to die.
But for some reason, I didn't go back.
Because if you don't get sleep, it's the worst thing in the world.
I would sleep for two hours.
I would fall asleep and wake up.
And I was like...
And so...
I was told about this thing called HGB. HCG? No, HGB. I guess it came to America in the 90s.
I just did a video about it.
And it's the ultimate sleep medicine.
So the problem with the sleep medicines now...
Is that they don't give you restorative sleep.
They just kind of knock you out like an anesthetic, right?
So when you wake up, you're still fucking groggy and tired, and you don't have all the shit that sleep does for you, right?
That's the problem.
But this wasn't patented, and it was easily made.
You can compound it easily in compounding pharmacies, and bodybuilders used to use it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jimmy dore
And then they said it was a date rape drug.
unidentified
Yeah, GHB. GHB, that's it.
joe rogan
I've used it as treatment for narcoleps.
jimmy dore
Yes, so that's the only thing it's approved for now.
Only certain doctors can prescribe it.
So what they did, this is what they did.
So not only did it help you with sleep, restorative sleep, but it helped you with human growth hormone as you got older.
It helped you with bone.
It's almost like a miracle drug, kind of like ivermectin, right?
And it's the same thing.
In fact, I just read this.
joe rogan
It's very potent, right?
If you take too much of it, you get bonked out, right?
jimmy dore
I guess if you drink a keg of whiskey, it'll do the same thing.
I would say take the right dose.
People said that to me.
They go, you know, if you take an overdose of it, it's bad.
Well, then I would not take an overdose.
joe rogan
I think people drugged women with this before.
Yeah, it's a date rape drug.
jimmy dore
This is the propaganda, Joe.
So I just read this article.
There's this guy called the Midwestern Doctor.
He's got this substack.
He's fucking awesome.
Pierre Corey tweets him out all the time.
And I don't know if it's a guy or a girl, actually.
It's just called the Midwestern Doctor.
And he did a deep dive into GHB, that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And that's how I know all about it.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
And they did the same thing.
In fact, in one of the subtitles of his article, it says they did the same thing, what they did to Ivermectin, they did to this.
And so they all got together and said, hey...
This is a rape drug.
Even though rohypnol was the rape drug.
Right, roofies.
Yeah, so the roofies.
And guess which one got banned?
This one, because it actually works.
So you can't get GHB? You can still get the roofies because the people that made it lobbied the government to not get it made illegal.
Isn't that fucking ironic?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
What is Rufinol for?
jimmy dore
Who knows?
joe rogan
What's its legitimate use?
jimmy dore
I don't know, but that's what I read in that Midwestern Doctors article, and he explains it all.
It is mind-blowing.
And so I was trying to get some of this, right?
You can only get it underground, right?
So there's certain doctors that make it in certain parts of the country, and they give it to soldiers who have PTSD. And they do it, but if they get caught, they're in trouble, because they made it a Schedule I drug.
unidentified
Wow.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
Cocaine's scheduled too, right?
So it's even worse.
And I've asked my doctor for it, like, I can't do that.
unidentified
Wow.
jimmy dore
I can't even tell you where to get it, because I'll get in trouble.
And so I found a guy who said he could get it for me, but I had to set up a proton mail, and I had to get Bitcoin, and I had to do this.
joe rogan
Jesus.
jimmy dore
And by the time all that kind of came together, my sleep had come back.
So now I'm...
So now I don't, but gay guys would use it at raves.
joe rogan
It says it's illegal.
Rupinol is illegal.
jimmy dore
Oh, is it?
It's sold in some countries as a sleeping pill.
joe rogan
I'm saying it wrong.
It's Rohypnol.
jimmy dore
Rohypnol, yeah.
joe rogan
It's sold in some countries as a sleeping pill, but it's illegal in the United States because it can cause extreme drowsiness or blackouts often used in date rapes.
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it's illegal.
jimmy dore
It's sold under the brand name Rohypnol.
joe rogan
Benzodiazepine.
unidentified
Oh, uh-huh.
joe rogan
Mmm, it's a benzo.
jimmy dore
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Okay.
Okay.
And so this GHB bodybuilders use it because it helps them recover?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that the idea?
jimmy dore
And it creates growth hormone.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
jimmy dore
And it's great for people who are aging.
So now you can't get it.
God damn it.
Because they couldn't...
These motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Someone needs to give that to Biden.
Maybe it'll help them.
jimmy dore
Don't you love the bullshit they would say about...
Like, Chris Cuomo said this when he was talking to Dave Smith.
He goes, well, the people who make ivermectin, they say it doesn't treat COVID. You know why?
Because it's off patent, you fucking asshole!
And they can't make money off it, so now anybody can make it, and it's pennies.
That's why.
You don't know that, newsman?
joe rogan
Yeah, how the fuck did Dave Smith...
I guess Dave Smith didn't know, but, I mean, sitting next to that guy, how did he keep his cool?
I want to just, Dave Smith was such a, like, he's so level-headed while that was going on.
I was like, how the fuck did Dave Smith not lose his fucking mind talking to that guy?
jimmy dore
It was glad that, it's good that there was a live audience there.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the live audience is like, bullshit.
Bullshit, dude.
And when you see him say, I didn't do it, I didn't say that, and then there's a video clip of him saying it.
How does he not know that?
jimmy dore
And then he goes, well, he says that this was the information that we were being given.
Yeah, and you're supposed to go out there and debunk the information you're being given by the government and Big Pharma.
You're not just supposed to fucking repeat it.
joe rogan
If you just did one Google search of what is ivermectic.
unidentified
That's it!
jimmy dore
He wouldn't do that!
joe rogan
That's all you had to do.
unidentified
One Google search.
jimmy dore
It doesn't take five minutes, it takes 30 seconds.
joe rogan
And you're like, oh, it won a Nobel Prize for the guy who invented it.
jimmy dore
For human medicine?
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
It's one of the safest drug profiles ever observed.
Oh.
jimmy dore
Ever.
joe rogan
Ever.
jimmy dore
Safer than Tylenol.
joe rogan
How crazy was it when Rolling Stone had that article about people- Oh, Rolling Stone's the worst.
Waiting in line at the emergency room for gunshot wounds because so many people were overdosing on horse medication.
jimmy dore
And they were all wearing coats in August in Kentucky.
joe rogan
How are those people not in trouble?
How are they not in trouble for that?
Because how many people could have gotten ivermectin and gotten over COVID and didn't get it?
And I'm not even saying that it works.
Let's just say some people think it works.
Some people that are fucking doctors, like Pierre Corey.
jimmy dore
It certainly works.
joe rogan
87 different...
I mean, there's like a bunch of different randomized controlled trials that shows efficacy.
jimmy dore
And that's another thing I learned, is that the people who do the test...
So the medical journals are also corrupted by big pharma.
And so what they'll do is, oh, we're going to do a study on ivermectin.
Turns out it doesn't work.
Well, look, they do the study.
They set it up to fail, right?
They give it to a person a week after they already got sick.
You're supposed to give it to them right away.
They give it to them in way smaller doses than they're supposed to.
And then they did one where they gave them to way higher doses.
joe rogan
That was hydroxychloroquine.
jimmy dore
It's a fucking scam.
So the medical field is just as bought by the same people as your corporate news is.
So we're all walking around in a big propaganda fucking machine and nobody knows it.
They think they know.
And they get so righteous.
joe rogan
The crazy thing is doctors buying into it.
And when you realize that you can't trust them for medical advice, you're like, wait, what?
When you have a doctor telling you that you should get vaccinated after you just got over being sick, and you were only sick for a couple days, and you have two people that you know that had strokes from the vaccine, and you're like, wait, what?
jimmy dore
Who gets vaccinated for a virus they already had and got over?
joe rogan
Nobody.
jimmy dore
That's in the history of ever, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody.
My parents.
But nobody else.
jimmy dore
I knew people.
I knew comedians.
joe rogan
Oh, I know a bunch of comedians.
jimmy dore
That was the heartbreak.
I was always so proud to be part of the comedy community or the brotherhood, whatever.
It's a certain kind of thing, right?
We talk in dark terms to each other.
We say the most inappropriate shit to each other.
But it just all flipped.
I mean, some of my favorite comedians, some of my best friends, they just fucking went mental and then they attacked me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But they're not really your friends anywhere.
They're a bunch of narcissists that all live in this stupid bubble where they're trying to get validation from people by virtue signaling.
That's all those people were.
A bunch of cowards and weirdos and they all turned on everybody.
And they generally turned on people that are more successful than them.
That's what it's really all about.
The heart of it.
It's signaling to your tribe that you are compliant, you're a part of the groupthink, and then attacking the people that are above you that are doing more successfully, that are more successful with their career than you.
That's all it was.
And all the people that did it are all terrible comedians.
They're all mediocre, sad...
Narcissists that wish they got more attention than they got.
They think they didn't get what they deserve.
They think they should be getting more.
They're angry at people that are getting attention.
They don't understand success of other people.
And they get, he's an anti-vaxxer!
He's an anti-vaxxer!
Oh, that's what's going on?
That's why he's got millions of views?
Is really that what it is?
jimmy dore
Isn't it amazing that every day there's a new study from South Korea that just came out that said there's a link between the COVID vax and Alzheimer's, right?
And nobody will talk about it.
Where are the comedians coming out with the same people who always were debunking the COVID narrative?
There's no one that's jumping on board.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, brother.
It's just L.A. Is it?
Yeah, you come to Texas.
That green room's lit.
We talk about everything.
Okay.
There's no...
Political correctness died here.
It's dead.
jimmy dore
Really?
joe rogan
It's dead.
jimmy dore
I thought it would be red hot in Austin.
joe rogan
No.
Austin...
My friend Brian Simpson has a brilliant joke about it, and I'm not going to quote it, but what he's essentially saying is that it appears that this is a liberal city because you're surrounded by red Texas.
But the liberal here is regular liberal.
It's like what we are.
What you and I are.
Like regular, reasonable people who are kind.
Not like crazy...
jimmy dore
Narrative enforcing.
joe rogan
Yeah, babies should be trans, you know, all that shit.
That's not here.
Like, this is a different version.
Because it's so tempered.
Like, one of the things they always say about Austin is keep Austin weird and surrounded.
So when people say weird, weird is okay, but keep it weird and surrounded.
You're surrounded by ranchers with guns.
It's fucking hard-working people that aren't buying any bullshit because they get up at 530 in the morning to take care of their cows like they're not fucking around here, man These are there's a different kind of people and they're nice and they're informed and that's the thing about this town that's different It's like it's it's they're much more informed.
You're gonna get your liberal loonies here You get your people walking on the street with masks on you get you get a lot of crazy shit here you get your free Palestine Marches and you know you get a lot of nutty people but It's a more tempered environment.
Like, people are more reasonable.
jimmy dore
How about the...
So, there are comedians in Los Angeles who wear a mask into the green room, and then they take it off when they go on stage.
joe rogan
Right.
They're all terrible.
They're all terrible.
jimmy dore
Do you think the coronavirus is respectful of stage time?
joe rogan
It is.
No, it is.
It's the lights.
Those lights that kill the virus.
jimmy dore
So here's the one good thing.
I'm talking about my dreams.
I've had this happen more than once.
I'll have a dream where one of my biggest haters, someone who attacks me on public and social media and stuff like that, I'll meet them in my dream and I don't have any animosity but what I can see in them is where their hatred for me comes from and it comes from their pain and their insecurity and a lot of time it's jealousy like you were saying and I can see it And so I don't have any animosity towards them in my dream,
and I have compassion for them.
Having compassion for someone who hates you, I have it.
And then when I wake up, it doesn't go away.
It stays with me.
And it's like this gift from my unconscious, my transpersonal self, God.
It's a gift.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is a gift, too.
jimmy dore
It really is.
I literally have compassion for the people who hate me the most.
What a fucking gift.
joe rogan
It's beautiful.
jimmy dore
Because it'll eat you up.
You know me.
I'm not 100%.
It still bothers me sometimes.
But I've had a dream about that guy.
I had a dream about him.
joe rogan
I'd give him a hug if I saw him.
Despite he said awful things about me.
He's just a sad man.
Just a sad, pathetic man.
And that's okay.
That's your burden in this life.
You're gonna go to the grave as that guy.
And everyone's gonna know.
You're this irritant that's in the air.
You're a fart that's in a locker room.
You're a problem.
This is your choice.
You've decided to be this very unpleasant, very anxiety-ridden, very mediocre artist.
Who's out there yelling and screaming into the abyss on Twitter.
Well, that's your burden.
This is what you're going to have to go through your life with.
And I don't envy you.
And I'm not even mad at that guy.
I feel sad.
They wear that mask, bro.
It's a fucking MAGA hat.
That's a MAGA hat for Democrats.
jimmy dore
It's unbelievable.
And then you see people, I'll still see people today that choose to wear a mask, and then they wear it under their nose.
joe rogan
That's my favorite.
jimmy dore
You gotta be fucking...
joe rogan
It doesn't work anyway.
If you want to be anti-science, wear a mask.
That shit does not work.
Especially a surgical mask.
Get the fuck out of here, you moron.
jimmy dore
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
You don't even know what a surgical mask is for.
It's to keep particulates from people's mouths from dropping into wounds.
jimmy dore
That's what it's for.
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't stop anything from respiratory, like a respiratory virus from going in.
jimmy dore
I've had people say, oh, why don't you go tell the doctors?
Because all the doctors wear masks.
I go, yeah, in the operating room so shit doesn't fall out of their mouth into an open wound.
You know when they come over before you go into the operating room, the doctor comes over to talk to you.
He takes his mask off and he talks to you.
Remember that?
They don't fucking have it on when they're...
unidentified
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
It's so childish, but yet it became official doctrine, just like the six-foot distance thing.
It all became official.
jimmy dore
And so I want to say, we've seen Fauci lied to Rand Paul twice about funding the gain-of-function research, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Up and down the chain, people are saying, fuck, you mean the people you hired?
Yeah.
And so he lied to Congress twice at least about that, right?
And then everything else he just lied about.
But there will be no consequence.
That's the thing that's unsatisfying.
It's good just to watch them confront him, the congressmen that were confronting him.
Isn't it interesting, though, that the same thing happened to him with AIDS, right?
So people forget, there's that movie called The Dallas Buyers Club.
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
And Matthew McConaughey won the goddamn Oscar for that movie.
joe rogan
Yes.
jimmy dore
And the bad guy in that movie, Dr. fucking Fauci!
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
jimmy dore
And so, you know Matthew McConaughey knows that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Why doesn't he say something?
joe rogan
I think he wants to keep working.
jimmy dore
That's exactly it.
Yeah, you gotta keep working.
That's exactly it.
You gotta keep your head down.
You can't go again.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you go Woody Harrelson, people automatically write hit pieces on you.
jimmy dore
Fuck, I love that guy.
joe rogan
I love that guy, too.
When he did that thing on Saturday Night Live, they started writing hit pieces on him.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Immediately.
jimmy dore
Immediately.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They know what they're doing.
They know what they're doing.
They're little lapdogs.
But also, nobody believes those hit pieces.
The people that read it, that hate Woody Harrelson, they already hated him.
It's like you're not gonna get those people back.
You're gonna have a certain amount of people that don't like you no matter what.
So those hit pieces don't really work anymore.
They just inform your haters that, oh, I'm on the right track.
I knew he was a retard.
That's all it is.
It's just, it's not real.
The whole thing's not real.
And everyone knows it's not real.
When a guy goes on Saturday Night Live and has a funny monologue that's essentially realistic, That was so perfectly said, too.
Amazing.
It was amazing.
Of course they attacked him.
But all that does, really, is show you where the demons are.
Like, who's attacking him for that?
Who are the people that have sold their soul?
Who are the people that are willing to go after this guy for saying something that we all know to be true?
You're gonna go after him for that?
Remember when they went after Eric Clapton?
Oh my god!
They went after him so hard.
And Eric Clapton, who was vaccinated, who was vaccinated, had a horrible reaction to the vaccine.
jimmy dore
He's a racist.
They found some black guy who worked with him 20 years ago, said he was a racist.
He's a racist!
He's a racist!
joe rogan
Everything.
They went after him.
Anti-vaxxer, racist, responsible for the death of millions with his poor choice of words describing his personal illness.
But that's how transparent everything is.
I mean, obviously I experienced it.
It's fascinating to watch it happen when they turn on you.
It's weird.
It's weird.
Because for me, the weirdest thing about it was like...
b-real
The play was so stupid because I was obviously okay.
joe rogan
I was obviously healthy really quickly.
jimmy dore
Well, you did look green.
joe rogan
I should have filmed it because I worked out six days later.
I did ten rounds on the heavy bag because I wanted to find out if I felt good and I felt fine.
Wouldn't you be more interested in how someone got better if you really wanted the world to be a healthier place?
You'd be like, what did that guy do that's different?
He's just telling you what he did and he got better and he wasn't vaccinated.
So what did he do that's different?
Wouldn't that be what the news wants?
But no.
When the news is controlled by giant corporations, that is an uncomfortable truth.
That is a real problem, having that narrative out there that there's someone out there that can get healthy without taking this thing that we're telling everybody they have to take.
But if it worked, why would you care if I took it if you took it?
You can't get it.
So you just, let me get sick.
Let me be a dummy that just gets sick and recovers.
Which most people did.
That's the other thing.
They wanted to pretend that like 10% of the people were dying and the hospitals were overrun.
No, it's like 99.7% of the people survived.
And the people that didn't survive had a...
jimmy dore
Three comorbidities?
unidentified
Four.
joe rogan
Four comorbidities.
Four!
jimmy dore
So, and then as soon as Bill Gates cashed in his stock, he saw this, right?
He starts shitting on the facts.
Well, you know, we didn't know that it had a low fatality rate, the virus had a low fatality rate, and that the vaccine, it wasn't long-lasting, and it didn't block transmission or contraction, and so we gotta do better.
We've got this new thing.
It's a nasal thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jimmy dore
He literally does that.
We got this new thing and this actually works better.
I look into it.
He's fucking funding that nasal thing.
joe rogan
Of course he is.
Of course he is.
jimmy dore
And now he's buying up all the farmland.
joe rogan
He's smart.
jimmy dore
He's a megalomaniac.
joe rogan
He's also a guy that people don't realize at one point in time was very hated.
jimmy dore
In the 90s.
joe rogan
Antitrust.
jimmy dore
Yeah, because he was monopolist and he knew how to crush people who had innovation.
And so they would throw pies in his face.
joe rogan
Yep.
jimmy dore
And then he got smart and he was like, oh, I'm going to buy the media.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Spent hundreds of millions of dollars buying media corporations off.
jimmy dore
PBS NewsHour do a thing on vaccines.
It's being funded by Bill Gates.
And it's about a vaccine that he's invested in.
So he's funding the vaccine, he's funding the NGOs that's going to distribute it, he's funding the media coverage of the thing.
It's like every which way he's got it.
And so because he wears a crew neck and he looks like a nerd, people think nerds wouldn't lie.
That's why people think Chris Hayes on MSNBC. He's a nerd.
He wouldn't lie.
Rachel Maddow's the homosexuals.
They don't lie.
They're naturally good people.
joe rogan
Especially if she's wearing a business suit.
She's so serious.
She's a no-nonsense businessman.
jimmy dore
I like to say she wears those fake Megyn Kelly eyelashes and she wears...
unidentified
Does she?
jimmy dore
Yes!
And then she wears jeans that are three times too big for her.
Talk about someone in conflict.
joe rogan
Oh, does she really?
jimmy dore
Oh, yes.
She wears the man jeans that are gigantic and then she wears the Megyn Kelly eyelashes.
joe rogan
Interesting.
The man jeans is an interesting choice.
jimmy dore
Yes.
joe rogan
I wonder what that's saying.
jimmy dore
That's someone in deep conflict with themselves.
unidentified
Hmm.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
jimmy dore
So that's nice.
But $100,000 a day smooths that over, I guess.
joe rogan
That's a lot of money.
You could spend that in all sorts of fun ways.
$100,000 a day?
I'm thinking you could buy a Porsche a day.
jimmy dore
And that was her reward.
How about that?
Wow.
joe rogan
One Porsche a day.
Just have a 9-11 for every day of the week.
It's worth lying.
Go around the corner sideways.
unidentified
Wee!
joe rogan
And listen to good tunes.
Rod Stewart.
Wake up, Maggie.
Let's go.
Driving down the Malibu coast.
Sorry.
jimmy dore
So that's the example.
So they put Julian Assange in prison, right, in Belmarsh, and Rachel Maddow does Russiagate, lies about Ukraine, lies about Libya, lies about Syria, and she gets $100,000 a day.
joe rogan
I'm glad you brought up Julian Assange, because what did he have to do to get free?
jimmy dore
So he had to admit that he committed one felony.
joe rogan
But didn't he have to delete things?
jimmy dore
Oh, he did.
Turns out I didn't know.
Yeah, it turns out they did delete some some shit.
It's like 20,000 documents or something.
joe rogan
Oh, that's only 20,000.
It's no big deal.
jimmy dore
But, man, oh man.
joe rogan
What was it about?
jimmy dore
Man, oh man, that guy.
I mean, what a hero.
What an unbelievable, absolute hero.
joe rogan
I thought he was gonna die.
jimmy dore
I thought he was gonna die in that prison, too.
joe rogan
What do you think happens to him now?
jimmy dore
And it looks like they knew they were going to let him out, because when they let him out, he had a little bit of weight on him.
It looked like he wasn't as frail as he once was.
joe rogan
Oh, like they think they were feeding him good?
jimmy dore
They looked like, hey, start sending him three meals a day, get him all the steak and everything, so when we let him go, he doesn't look horrible.
joe rogan
Oh, was he eating poorly before that?
jimmy dore
Well, he was, I mean, I saw pictures of him, he looked horrible.
joe rogan
Well, he's not getting any vitamin D, right?
jimmy dore
Right.
joe rogan
He's indoors all day long for 10 years?
Like, how long was he in jail for?
Or locked up.
jimmy dore
So he was in that prison for six years, but he was in that embassy for, I think, eight years before that or something like that?
joe rogan
Goddamn.
He was in prison for six years?
jimmy dore
I'm pretty sure six years.
joe rogan
Jamie will find out.
jimmy dore
Was it 2019?
jamie vernon
Seven and a half years total.
Seven and a half years of self-imposed confinement and then five years of enforced detention.
jimmy dore
Okay.
So five years in Belmar, seven and a half years in that Ecuadorian embassy.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
That guy, how did he not go crazy?
jimmy dore
I don't know how he didn't go crazy.
And then they made him pay for his flight home.
joe rogan
Half a million dollars.
jimmy dore
Half a million dollars.
joe rogan
Flew private though.
Probably had champagne, strawberries.
jimmy dore
Why wouldn't someone like Mark Cuban, who brags about he loves his jet collection, like why wouldn't he just send a jet over there to take care of him?
joe rogan
He's busy arguing with people on Twitter.
jimmy dore
Oh, he's another fucking maniac.
joe rogan
Yeah, he likes arguing on Twitter.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's interesting to watch people.
jimmy dore
And he's wrong about almost everything.
joe rogan
He's wrong about quite a bit.
Rav Avora, this young kid who's a journalist who's really good, and he's gone back and forth with them to the point where Mark Cuban has to step out of the chat.
He just gets clowned.
It's just weird that a person that that busy would choose to engage with people in one of the poorest ways to communicate.
Like to go back and forth in argument with people on Twitter.
You just want to post things.
And you have something that you feel like is on your mind.
Like, I'll post that.
But when you start arguing with people on Twitter...
I go, how much time do you have?
jimmy dore
No kidding.
joe rogan
How do you have the time to do that?
jimmy dore
Don't you own 85 million companies that you have to run?
joe rogan
It's like a sign of mental illness to be arguing with people all day on Twitter, in my opinion.
I think when I see people arguing with people on Twitter, I'm like, oh, that's a person that's wracked with anxiety.
That's a truly unhealthy person.
There's no way you can't be.
You're going back and forth with people.
You feel it.
You're a human being.
If you're in conflict, and you're trying to get one up on the person in every fucking tweet, and you're checking your Twitter every five minutes to see who's responded and how it's doing.
Did you get ratioed?
Oh my god, I got ratioed.
Fuck!
unidentified
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck!
joe rogan
And then your wife's upset, and your kid's, Daddy, can we play?
Hold on!
Hold on!
You're in the middle of tweeting.
It's fucking manic stuff.
It's not good for you.
It's bad for you.
It's a bad way to communicate.
The best way to communicate is civilly in front of a person.
That's the best way.
Even though you're yelling and screaming at a person right in front of you, that feels bad too.
You should be able to, as a grown adult, have a civil conversation with people where you could disagree with, even really disagree with something, but just keep a professional, polite tone.
jimmy dore
But there's this...
You know what's interesting?
I just interviewed this woman called Blair White.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've had Blair on.
jimmy dore
So I told her, I said, you know when...
joe rogan
Right-wing trans person.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are the odds?
jimmy dore
Right?
So I've had trans fans come to the show, right?
Kurt fucks them in the green room.
joe rogan
Well, how dare you.
jimmy dore
Depending.
Depending how they look.
And they have guns.
I've had a couple of trans fans come to her and they're like, hey, do you want to see my gun?
And I was like, no kidding.
That's hilarious.
But anyway, when I was talking to her, I was like, you know, I feel like you're a woman.
Like, I get the energy of a female from you.
unidentified
Yes.
jimmy dore
And whereas Dylan Mulvaney seems like a gay guy doing an unbelievable caricature of a woman.
Right.
joe rogan
Agreed.
jimmy dore
And she agreed, and she said, yeah, he has gay boy energy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And so she went to these LGBT... The Pride Parades, right?
And she would ask people, how many genders do you think there are?
And when do you think kids should be allowed to have gender-affirming care and have hormones and stuff?
So she's asking these questions, right?
Which we're all talking about.
And she's doing it in a polite way.
And the fucking way people turn...
They had security following her.
She basically got kicked out of the Pride Fest.
And people are like...
Fuck you.
Like, they found out that she says to one guy, you know, what do you think about Donald Trump?
He was the first president in the United States to go into the White House supporting gay marriage.
And, like, I never thought of it like that.
And they're like, oh, you're a Trump supporter.
Fuck you!
I always thought that the gay pride movement was about tolerance and diversity and let me be my thing and you can do your thing.
Now it's like, no, you're only allowed to have one opinion.
You're only allowed to have one political view.
And if you step out, it's like...
It's fuck you!
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
jimmy dore
Isn't it that's the opposite of what I thought the gay movement was all about?
joe rogan
Well, it's the opposite of what the progressive movement is supposed to be all about.
The progressive movement is all supposed to be about intelligent, well-educated, compassionate people that have a better perspective of how things are and what causes people to live in unfortunate circumstances and the inefficiencies of so many government organizations and the importance of the working class community.
That's what it's supposed to be about.
Being kind and helping people and supporting workers and rights and all those things.
That's what it originally was.
But the problem is, with any ideology, if you have to have a rigid adherence, To whatever the ideology states, whatever the doctrine is, that can shift to the point where it's no longer even a progressive value and you call yourself a progressive, yet you support all these ideas.
Like you support the war in Ukraine.
You support all these different things.
jimmy dore
Censorship.
joe rogan
Fucking insane.
Censorship, yeah.
jimmy dore
The hallmark of authoritarian dictators is censorship.
And they got people who consider themselves progressive.
I've never changed.
I'm for bodily autonomy, my body, my choice, which you don't hear people say anymore.
What they'll say is, oh, I'm pro-abortion.
joe rogan
No, you say I'm a woman's right to choose.
Yeah, that's what they say.
That's what people like to say the most.
jimmy dore
Okay, I've heard people start saying they're pro-abortion.
No one's pro-abortion.
But anyway, so I've stayed my body, my choice, bodily autonomy.
I'm anti-war, I'm pro-worker, and I'm anti-censorship for free speech.
Those are all considered right-wing positions now.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
jimmy dore
It's crazy.
joe rogan
But it just shows you that what we're talking about, it's just the ideology.
It's just a cult.
And there's two cults in this country.
There's the right-wing cult and the left-wing cult.
And there's a bunch of people that are centrists.
There's a bunch of people that have like a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and they're kind of in the middle, and they're kind of like a left-leaning conservative or right-leaning progressive, and they're confused, and they don't know what to think.
And I think the majority of people are kind of really, if you isolated them and get them out of their tribal thinking, the way they look at the world, if it could be explained to them in a kind way, most people are in the center.
Most people.
I generally think most people are.
But the people on the far left are so fucking crazy, and the people that are on the far right are so fucking crazy, that if you're on the left, you see the people on the far right, well, I'm not that fucking person, so I must be on the left.
And then if you're on the right and you go, yeah, but I'm kind of like pretty open-minded when it comes to a lot of social issues.
But then you see Antifa, you go, well, what the fuck?
I'm not with those people.
I must be right-wing.
And then you have this chaos that we have currently.
jimmy dore
The whole left, I just, I call, I don't call them, you know, people, oh, the far left.
I just call them Democrats, right?
That's not left if you're for war.
It's not left if you're for censorship.
It's not left if you're for mandating experimental medical treatments.
There's nothing left about that, right?
You just vote Democrat.
And these are two bullshit constructs, left-right.
I don't think it matters that much.
I've got way more in common with people who are considered right-wing than I do with Joe fucking Biden.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And the thing is that people don't realize, I've told you this before, when people say, oh we have to organize along class lines, that means organizing with Trumpers!
The workers.
That's what Christian Smalls did on Staten Island when he organized the first union in Amazon, right?
He didn't go down there and go, hey, who here is for LGBTQ? Hey, who here is a gun nut?
You're out.
Who's for freedom of speech?
You're out.
He just went, who's here to get together?
We have an economic interest to oppose the man.
You with me?
That's how you fucking organize.
You come around...
And you don't have all these things that exclude.
It's all about excluding people.
And by the way, I found out that all this trans stuff, it's all come from the top down.
It doesn't come from the bottom up.
I figured this out when I saw that Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, talk about enforcing ESG and DEI. And so that's because those companies are the ones who are raping the planet and screwing everybody.
But then they stick a gay pride flag on what they're doing so they can wrap themselves in a patina of virtue.
And that's all that is.
And that's coming.
And it's also great because it keeps us divided.
So if we're fighting over bathrooms and people competing in sports and swimming and all that, then we're not our eyes off the ball.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy dore
Our eyes off the 200 or 600 billion dollars they're sending to the military industrial complex in an up for transfer of wealth.
We're not talking about the CARES Act.
We're not talking about things that actually matter, that people are still living under bridges.
People don't have health care that doesn't bankrupt them.
People can't go bankrupt just trying to go to college.
People don't have a decent 80% of workers living paycheck to paycheck.
Half the country can't afford a $500 emergency.
All that shit.
We're not talking about any of that stuff if we're talking about all that other stuff.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
And that's part of the playbook.
The playbook is keep the people distracted and divided.
That's always been the playbook.
And then while we're in the middle of these international conflicts that are baffling to everybody involved, and you're wondering how they have all this money to do that, but they don't have any money to address all the problems that we have.
How about the people in Maui?
Imagine being a person in Maui that lost your home, they give you $700, and then you still can't rebuild.
It's a year later, nothing's been built.
jimmy dore
And at the blink of an eye, they give $100 billion to Zelensky and...
joe rogan
Well, even worse, they accidentally sent Ukraine $6 billion.
They sent an accidental $6 billion.
So then we looked up, like, how much would it cost to rebuild every house that got destroyed in the fire?
$5 billion.
So they could have done that.
jimmy dore
So why wouldn't they do that?
joe rogan
Why wouldn't they do that?
Why wouldn't they do that?
I don't understand.
Those people are devastated.
And then there's all this talk about taking over that land.
jimmy dore
Well, you go to Maui.
I was in Maui, and you see people have put graffiti on the side of buildings saying this is a land grab.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
You see that a lot.
joe rogan
It is a land grab.
It's a pretty transparent land grab.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
It's happening in front of our eyes, and no one's doing anything about it because it's five hours in a jet across the ocean.
And we're watching this shit take place where these people...
And first of all, just horrible mismanagement of water rights, horrible mismanagement of power lines.
The fact that they have horrible winds, crazy winds there, and they've had these fucking power lines that are above ground...
When I lived in California, my fucking lines were underground.
They figured it out there.
How come they didn't figure it out in Hawaii?
You know how much money could have been saved?
They just put the power lines underground?
jimmy dore
It was so unfortunate that their alarm system malfunctioned.
joe rogan
Yeah, how about that?
jimmy dore
And that the water got turned off, so the firefighters...
joe rogan
They wouldn't let them turn the water on.
The water's a very valuable commodity there.
The whole thing is fucking insane.
jimmy dore
And that the cops are turning people back into the fire.
joe rogan
The whole thing is insane.
jimmy dore
These are all just unfortunate things.
joe rogan
How about that mayor who goes on TV, like what, two weeks after the fires?
Talks about how they're going to try to figure out how to turn it into a monument?
jimmy dore
Oh, I didn't see that.
joe rogan
You ever see that speech?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Was it the mayor or the governor?
I forget which guy it was.
But he was talking about how they were talking about erecting a monument and turning it into a park or something.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
It's super valuable land where these people are.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the problem, that everybody recognizes.
These people have these modest homes on this super valuable piece of land.
And if something should happen...
Whoops!
jimmy dore
Whoopsies!
joe rogan
If that whoopsies happens, and then they can figure out a way to take it.
jimmy dore
You know, have you ever seen a fire that melted the wheels off of cars?
joe rogan
It does.
I mean, fires do do that.
jimmy dore
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, extreme heat is fucking insane, what it does to cars.
And also, cars are filled with oil.
Oil and gasoline, the kind of heat that you get off of a burning vehicle is extraordinary.
Fires are one thing, like a wood fire, but a fire of a car that's filled with 30 gallons of gas and has rubber tires, that heat is fucking extraordinary.
Extraordinary.
jimmy dore
I don't believe you.
joe rogan
I mean, fire can do wild things, man.
It really can, but...
The real problem is how they handled everything.
It's so poorly done.
By the way, they've had wildfires there commonly because of the fact that they have, like, see?
Yeah, liquid aluminum so the wheels melt.
So that's all liquid aluminum.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
That's the wheels melting.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
All right, so now I believe you.
joe rogan
Yeah, fire from gasoline and everything in a car is made out of plastic.
Think about if you have vinyl seats and plastic grommets and all these different plastic pieces that are on your sides, you know, your A columns and all that's plastic.
The fucking steering wheel's plastic.
The dashboard's plastic.
All that shit goes up and, bro, you better get the fuck out of the way.
And 30 gallons of gasoline.
Like, that's heat, man.
That melts everything.
Melts mufflers.
Melts everything.
Anything aluminum is fucked.
jimmy dore
So there's no way to vote our way out of these problems.
It doesn't seem like in America that we're at this.
joe rogan
What do you think we could do?
What do you think is the real solution to try to get us on the right path?
What is the thing that can be done?
jimmy dore
I think there has to be a, you know, like you say, there's an awakening of people realizing that they're being screwed over by a billionaire class.
It's international, right?
So the border being open.
So that's not only happening in America, that's also happening in Europe, right?
You've seen that, and you see what's happening to London, France, what they're doing in Scotland, places like that.
And Poland said no, right?
They closed their border.
But I think this is some kind of bigger plan to...
And so I think if people wake up to that, which I think they are starting to...
It's going to look, it looks something like the trucker protest in Canada, eh?
joe rogan
You always say AF in Canada every time?
jimmy dore
- Yeah, the tick. - I think it's gonna look like something like that.
We have to have a way to...
We've got to make...
You know, like January 6th, which was, you know, freaking instigated by the FBI. We know that.
I'd love to see the guy who was the congressman.
He was interviewing the head, Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI. And he said, did you have any FBI assets inside the Capitol before the breach dressed up like MAGA people?
And he says, I can't answer that.
And the congressman goes, the answer should be no!
It should be no!
So that was an attempt to criminalize Trump and criminalize his political movement.
The same grand jury, the same RICO statute that they used to indict Donald Trump in Atlanta, they used to also, same RICO statute, same grand jury, to indict the Stop Cop City protesters.
And, you know, when I made that case to Cornel West, I go, do you see the game that's being played now?
Because they're not only criminalizing their political opponents in the United States, they're doing that all around the world.
They did that in Pakistan.
So Imran Khan, the guy who stood up and said, people of Pakistan do not want to go along with NATO's wars anymore.
He immediately threw him in jail.
Now he's a criminal.
They did the same thing they did in Brazil.
They didn't want Lula to be president, so they threw him in jail, right?
And so they thought the center-right guy was going to win.
But then the far-right guy, Bolsonaro, won the Trump of Brazil.
They're like, oh, fuck, what do we do?
So they had to let Lula back out of prison because he's the only one who could beat him.
And then once they beat him, they then made it illegal for Bolsonaro to ever run for president again.
And it's the same shit they're doing.
joe rogan
How did they make it illegal for Bolsonaro to not run for president?
jimmy dore
It's like they're trying to do to Trump right now, four different, 92 felony, so they bullshit charges against them.
I don't know the ins and outs.
I know they did.
I know they did that.
So that's what, so I think people need to wake up to that and wake up to, if anybody, you know, if anybody catches on fire and that is a problem for the establishment, they criminalize.
Look what they did to the goddamn Russell Brand, for fuck's sake.
Yeah.
So immediately if you get a voice and you become a problem for the establishment, that's the new game.
They just criminalize you now.
And everybody goes along with it.
Can you believe how people go along with it?
They say that what they are currently doing to Donald Trump, they say he's going to do that to us.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
But you're already fucking doing it!
We've already, this whole idea that somehow he's, isn't that kind of mind-blowing?
How do people not, well, Andrew Cuomo was on the Bill Maher show, and he admitted that they should have never brought that case, and that if he was the Attorney General, he would have never did it.
And the only reason that case was ever brought was because it was, Donald Trump was the center of it.
joe rogan
This is how dumb they are.
They went after that guy.
Andrew Cuomo, which if you were going to be strategic about who is your tough guy Democrat that could be president, it's that guy.
Andrew Cuomo.
jimmy dore
They gave him an Emmy for his bullshit coverage of COVID. Yeah, hilarious.
And they took it away.
joe rogan
But listen, he's not a virologist.
He's acting on a bunch of different experts that are telling him what to do, including letting people that have COVID back in the nursing homes, which turns out to be devastating.
And then also the use of...
Ventilators, which they thought was important.
We thought we needed a bunch of...
Turns out it killed people.
It killed some bizarre number, like 80% of the people they put on ventilators wound up dying.
jimmy dore
And then they would give you drugs that slowed down your breathing.
joe rogan
But my point is, if that doesn't happen, That guy's your guy against Trump.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy's your guy.
I mean, that's a big, tough guy who speaks well.
He's charismatic.
He's a big Italian guy who's going to lay...
I mean, great speaker.
You heard him on Bill Maher.
I'm like, boy, if it wasn't for this one scandal of him liking to hug ladies...
jimmy dore
Ah, we just, you know, I'm Italian.
He is!
I like the, you know, we played a little grab ass.
You know, it was a big deal.
joe rogan
Come on.
Listen, Bo, you know, I mean, Joe Biden has been, is that your phone that keeps dinging?
Joe Biden has been sniffing kids and hugging people forever.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, he's, maybe it's me.
jimmy dore
No, it's me.
joe rogan
Is it?
Okay.
jimmy dore
Sorry.
joe rogan
I mean, he's a fucking weird guy.
And they just decided for whatever reason that they were going to take Cuomo out.
And I never understood that, that strategic move.
And it must have been some sort of an inside power grab play.
But then they replaced him with that whole true lady who's out of her fucking mind.
God has brought us this vaccine!
This vaccine's brought by God!
Like, what are you even fucking talking about?
jimmy dore
And then she fired 100,000 healthcare workers?
joe rogan
How about when she said that black people don't know what a computer is?
jimmy dore
Black people don't know what a computer is.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
How crazy is that to even say?
jimmy dore
Imagine anyone else.
So that's how you know how corrupt the media is, because they didn't make a big deal out of that.
joe rogan
No.
Everybody was like, what the fuck?
Did you see the memes or the videos that kids made?
No.
Oh, my God.
So many funny videos of black kids moving around a computer, confused like a caveman.
unidentified
I can't see that.
joe rogan
Open it up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
Well, I mean, your phone is a computer.
joe rogan
Dude, everyone knows what a fucking computer is.
jimmy dore
It's 2024. It's like Joe Biden in the primary in 2020. Play the record player.
They need to hear words.
joe rogan
Turn on the TV. The idea that poor black people don't have a laptop.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Everyone's online, you moron.
Everyone.
Literally, the whole country's online.
jimmy dore
Did you see the mayor of New York?
He said that, so they're trying to get these immigrants jobs.
And he's like, well, a lot of them are real good swimmers.
You didn't see that?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did see that.
Insane.
jimmy dore
They could be lifeguards.
When you want to call them wetbacks, but you want to be politically correct.
Jesus Christ.
That's what that was.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
The whole thing is so crazy.
It's so crazy to watch all the gaslighting and chaos.
jimmy dore
It's also amazing to see that the Democratic Party is now the establishment party.
And it used to be the other way.
The Democratic Party used to be the party that represented workers and was against the billionaire class.
But then Bill Clinton and Al Gore, no friend of the working man, they saw Reagan and were like, hey, if you can't beat him, join him.
And so they decided, like, hey, they said, Wall Street, we got it.
Give us the money, military.
They started a thing called the Democratic Leadership Council, the DLC. Do you know who was on the board of the DLC? Koch brothers.
They were out of their fucking board.
joe rogan
Well, they want the world to be a better place, too.
jimmy dore
And so they just want to help people.
That's what it's about.
unidentified
That's all it's about.
jimmy dore
They want to bring democracy.
joe rogan
That's what I've been saying.
I'm glad you came around.
jimmy dore
Thank you.
joe rogan
That's why I brought you here.
I brought you here to educate you.
I'm an educator.
jimmy dore
Breaking President Biden says on a conference call he's staying in.
joe rogan
Yes!
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
I'm running.
I am the leader of the Democratic Party.
No one is pushing me out.
I've been knocked down before and counted out my whole life.
When you get knocked down, you get back up.
jimmy dore
I think, I bet my phone was lighting up.
joe rogan
I like his moxie.
I like it.
jimmy dore
I've been told by, I have a billionaire friend who's like a donor.
They go, hey, they had a big donor meeting in Denver, like 40 of the top Democratic donors, and they said, who here wants to get rid of Joe Biden?
And every hand went up.
joe rogan
I think Jill Biden is a secret Trump fan.
That's what I think.
And I think she knows the way to get Trump back in the White House and straighten this country out is to keep her husband, Joe Biden, running.
There's no way she thinks he's okay.
So something's going on.
What conspiratorially, pretend to be Kurt Metzger for a moment, and what do you think?
If you had to say, why would she want him in?
You would say, well, because she thinks maybe he can win, even though he's demented, and maybe she can stay in power, but also maybe he doesn't get prosecuted.
So this is my question about the recent Supreme Court ruling about the presidential immunity.
If I was in the Democratic Party and I looked at what's going on with Donald Trump, and I looked at the very real possibility that Donald Trump might get back into the White House, I would say, listen, all this Burisma stuff, this is big-time shit.
There's a lot of evidence.
Not a little bit of evidence, like the Trump thing.
Not 34 charges of felonies, which is just a misdemeanor, that's just 34 different checks he wrote for a porn star, which is, what a cheap bastard.
He paid her over 34 different times.
Like, payments.
I'll give you installments.
I'll give her installments.
A little bit here, a little bit there.
She doesn't get it all in one lump.
jimmy dore
Well, did you ever see the video of how Bill Clinton paid off Paula Jones back when he was running for president?
joe rogan
When she had the big check?
Remember she had the big check because she won a game show?
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy dore
It was $850,000 he paid her off.
joe rogan
Right.
And back then...
jimmy dore
And they admitted it.
They go, hey, okay, now this is over.
We paid her off.
Yep.
joe rogan
Well, the thing was like writing it down on a ledger as a campaign.
But in normal cases, as Andrew Cuomo said on Bill Maher's show, that's just a misdemeanor.
jimmy dore
You get a fine.
joe rogan
I'm telling you.
He fucked up with that Cuomo guy.
That guy could have been the president.
And he'd probably be a good president.
He was a good mayor.
I mean, he's a good governor.
Like, wasn't he?
He's better than Hochul, right?
jimmy dore
I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan
Everybody loved him at the beginning of COVID. They loved him.
Chelsea Handler was saying she's Cuomo-sexual.
jimmy dore
Remember that?
Cuomo-sexual.
joe rogan
Everybody loved him.
Everybody loved him.
Because he was the stern, straightforward, practical, pragmatic.
jimmy dore
He was the anti-Trump leader.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a leader.
He seemed like a leader.
Big, handsome guy.
He speaks very well.
He also seems like a mob boss.
It's like, oh, yeah, he'll take care of it.
Mr. Cuomo.
Mr. Cuomo's got it all under control.
Are they fucked up?
You have so few charismatic people that are experiencing politics that could have actually gone against Trump.
That was the main guy, in my opinion.
jimmy dore
Yeah, and I was hoping for it because the guy who does the voices on my show, Mike McCray, he does an Andrew Cuomo.
joe rogan
Does he do a good one?
jimmy dore
He does a very funny one.
joe rogan
I like when you have people call in that aren't the people.
unidentified
And a lot of people are like, what?
jimmy dore
People think it's him.
joe rogan
Yeah, who do you have call in?
Like, what different people do you have?
jimmy dore
Well, the first time I had Bill O'Reilly call in, people at KPFQ were like...
And they go, Bill O'Reilly just called someone a whore.
And I'm like, no, that's...
So he did that amazing Mitt Romney.
He was hoping for Mitt Romney to get elected.
joe rogan
Remember when Howard Stern had that guy that would call in as Letterman?
It was dead on.
jimmy dore
Oh, and I never listened to Howard Stern.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Howard Stern used to have this Letterman guy would call him dead on.
jimmy dore
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Dead on.
Just saying wild shit.
And he would say it was David Letterman.
Oh, David Letterman's on the phone.
jimmy dore
That's what I do.
I just pretend.
Mike also does Jeff Bridges.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
jimmy dore
Who does Jeff Bridges?
joe rogan
That's a weird one.
unidentified
Hey!
jimmy dore
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
He's like, far out, man.
joe rogan
Oh, he does Jeff Bridges as Lebowski?
jimmy dore
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
One of the greatest movies of all time.
jimmy dore
All time.
joe rogan
All time.
jimmy dore
And he does him.
Who else does he do that nobody else does?
Oh, he does a great Kevin Spacey.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
jimmy dore
Oh, it's fucking...
Everything he says is like that.
That's right.
Tell me about your lesbian niece.
unidentified
Ha!
jimmy dore
Anyway, he's brilliant.
He was hoping for Mitt Romney, because nobody else did Mitt Romney.
joe rogan
Did you see the contrast between the debate in 2012 with Barack Obama and Mitt Romney?
Because that was his bad night?
No, no, no.
Just the way they spoke with each other.
There's a video that shows the contrast between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama speaking so cordially and professionally and graciously to each other in 2012 and then 2024 with Trump and Biden going at each other.
You're a sucker.
unidentified
You're a loser.
joe rogan
And then he's like, he can't play golf.
He's got no golf game.
I'm a six handicap.
jimmy dore
He goes, I have a six handicap.
joe rogan
But that's how wild that dude is.
And then he changed it to a game.
jimmy dore
And then immediately he goes, it was an eight.
Like, you just switched it?
joe rogan
He's a bullshit artist.
jimmy dore
And the worst.
But I love when Trump says to you, let's not be children here.
Like, holy shit!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
unidentified
Here, I'll break off with you, but you gotta carry your own bags.
joe rogan
Do you think you can carry your own bags?
You can't walk down a fucking flight of stairs.
This is crazy.
jimmy dore
You can't even carry the own load in your pants.
joe rogan
It's just, what a wild time.
jimmy dore
Do you think he shit himself?
People were saying he shit himself when he was with Macron.
Remember he bent over?
joe rogan
Perhaps.
Maybe he was preventing himself.
I've shit myself before.
Things happen.
Things go wrong.
Things go wrong.
jimmy dore
That's what I say about Mitch McConnell.
People go, you see him have a stroke.
I go, no, he shit his pants.
Look at his face.
I know that face.
I've made that face.
joe rogan
The Mitch McConnell one?
I think he's Windows 95. Yeah.
I think he locked up.
jimmy dore
Yeah, he clicked.
joe rogan
Someone needed to control alt delete.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That poor guy.
All those people.
There's like, you shouldn't, you know...
jimmy dore
We have the oldest fucking people.
unidentified
They're so old.
joe rogan
Well, because the young people are all, you know, there's all a bunch of ex-girlfriends and ex-husbands out there that are talking shit about them and they're terrified to run.
And if they have real leadership qualities, they probably have a bunch of disgruntled former employees and a bunch of people they can call upon.
They can make up stories.
They can concoct narratives.
If you're not chosen to be in that position, you want to buck the system.
That's what we're seeing with Trump.
They come for you.
They come for you in very, very...
jimmy dore
Look how they came for RFK Jr. Yep.
Look it out, and they're still doing it.
They just brought up a thing about a nanny from the late 90s.
Did you see that?
joe rogan
No, I didn't see it.
Yeah.
Here's the thing about RFK Jr. They don't think he can win right now.
unidentified
What does it say?
jamie vernon
I'm looking up a Biden farting or shitting himself and found this story I never heard.
joe rogan
What does it say?
Joe Biden or the new Mr. Trump?
Camilla hasn't stopped talking about hearing the president break wind during the chat at COP26 climate summit in Glasgow.
So Biden farted himself?
jimmy dore
It was a long and loud...
joe rogan
And impossible to ignore.
jimmy dore
And impossible to ignore.
joe rogan
Camilla hasn't stopped talking about it.
That Biden just farts.
jamie vernon
Farted in a meeting, yeah.
joe rogan
He produced a little natural gas of his own at the COP26 summit.
It's audible enough to make the Duchess of Cornwall blush.
But is this the Daily Mail?
Yeah, they can just kind of say things, can't they?
jimmy dore
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Over there, they can just kind of say things.
You know, that's why...
jamie vernon
From Politico.
joe rogan
Oh, they say it too?
jamie vernon
They were reporting.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Maybe it is true.
Let's go with it.
Old people fart.
It happens.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy's not in control of anything.
You think he's in control of his farts?
jimmy dore
So do you think someone messed up and gave Joe Biden the real vaccine?
joe rogan
I don't think that's what happened.
I think he's dying.
I mean, he had two brain surgeries.
He had a brain surgery where they literally cut the top of your head off.
He had aneurysms.
jimmy dore
But look, I told you the study from South Korea.
joe rogan
Oh, the Alzheimer's thing?
jimmy dore
Yeah, it spurs it on.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't think any of that stuff's going to help.
I mean, but I think he was already a deteriorating state.
jimmy dore
Yeah, he was, definitely.
joe rogan
Period.
jimmy dore
So I saw a guy, this guy, Dr. John Campbell.
joe rogan
Sure.
jimmy dore
Yeah, he's great.
Yeah, he says, although he pretends I don't exist, he won't respond to me.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
jimmy dore
He won't come on my show, he won't talk to me.
I wonder why.
He goes on everybody else's show.
That's bizarre.
Including Russell Brand.
Just the other day I saw a video, I tweeted it out that he says he thinks he has Lewy body disorder, which is what I think Robin Williams said.
joe rogan
Yes, he did, yeah.
jimmy dore
And he talks about all the different things that people will mistake it for Alzheimer's and will mistake it for Parkinson's, but it's really this Lewy body disorder thing.
joe rogan
He might be right.
He's been right through the entire pandemic.
Very reasonable and very right when he's talking about...
jimmy dore
Well, once he realized that it was a lie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And then he's like, he got duped.
It's like all these people, even like Pierre Corey, he's like, I didn't realize how corrupt the medical field is and how they control the medical journals and they can just make a study that will disprove a drug is good and they'll just do it wrong, say it's bad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And so, yeah, he was...
He found this out through COVID, too, that, like, wow, the medical journals are all corrupt.
joe rogan
And will he be saying that he was, so he thinks that Biden has Lewy body dementia?
jimmy dore
Yeah, that's it.
joe rogan
I mean, it's just shocking that he can say that.
I'm not going anywhere.
You get knocked down.
You get back up.
No one has the ability.
jimmy dore
No one knocked you down.
joe rogan
But no one has the ability.
That's what's crazy.
No one has the ability in the Democratic Party to pull him aside and say it's over.
Like, who would be that person?
This is the question.
jimmy dore
Obama, right?
Obama was the one who got everybody to drop out in the primary in 2020. Right.
Except for Elizabeth Warren, so they could split the vote of Bernie.
joe rogan
Right, right.
jimmy dore
So I think it's Obama.
joe rogan
So why wouldn't Obama have that power over him now?
You think once he's president, he's like, I'm president, goddammit.
jimmy dore
I think he's getting replaced.
Still?
I think he's getting replaced.
I don't care what he says.
joe rogan
But do you think there's a possibility that they would...
Of course there is!
I think, possibly.
jimmy dore
If they needed to.
joe rogan
You could assassinate him with a balloon.
jimmy dore
You could assassinate him with a mosquito bite.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have to try hard.
jimmy dore
A scary movie.
joe rogan
Kamala Harris overtakes Joe Biden as the favorite to be the Democratic candidate.
jamie vernon
It's like a betting site, though.
So she became the top odds.
joe rogan
Well, bro, you want Trump to win.
Again, I would have her run against Trump.
What we know about what has been and what will be based on what we know about what has already existed.
This time that we're living in and time just passes by.
jimmy dore
What can be unburdened by what has been?
joe rogan
The crazy thing is she said it more than once.
jimmy dore
She said it a million times.
joe rogan
She didn't even tighten it up.
jimmy dore
She does it with different takes.
Like, give me a different take.
What can be unburdened by what has been?
Like you're doing a read.
Like you're doing a fucking audition.
What can be?
And then she'll do it laughing.
Give me one laughing.
unidentified
Oh my god.
jimmy dore
Give me one where you're about to cry.
It really is.
Be overly sincere.
Give me one where you're- Just throw it away.
unidentified
Throw it away.
joe rogan
Have you watched Idiocracy recently?
jimmy dore
I haven't watched it.
joe rogan
It's like a documentary.
Watch it now and you're like, oh my god.
jimmy dore
I just so wish that George Carlin was still alive.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That would have been fun.
jimmy dore
Because he was getting more cantankerous.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He would have went crazy.
They would have killed him.
They maybe killed him anyway.
Maybe that's what happened.
Maybe we still have him.
The government saw it coming.
When did he die?
2018, I believe?
jimmy dore
And how about...
I don't know.
But how about how...
Again, it's because the media's control that nobody cares that Jeffrey Epstein's...
joe rogan
2008?
Oh, I was off by 10 years.
Wow.
jimmy dore
He was only 71?
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
They killed him.
Told you.
jimmy dore
Well, if you see that...
joe rogan
You look like shit, right?
jimmy dore
If he...
But he had a lot of heart attacks.
He did a lot of coke.
joe rogan
He did a lot of pills, too.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember, there was a few years back where even in his elder years, he went to rehab for pills.
jimmy dore
71 does not seem that old, right?
Especially now that I'm...
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's 14 years older than me.
jimmy dore
Yeah, that's...
I can't do the math, but...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Drinking 20 beers a day.
In 1973, he says, he was smoking joints before breakfast, drinking 20 beers a day, and sharing a heavy cocaine habit with Brenda, a freelance talent coordinator for Hollywood production companies.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was going hard, so he blew his ticker out.
jimmy dore
Yeah.
unidentified
It happens.
joe rogan
We lose a lot of the greats that way.
jimmy dore
And, you know, if you see, I saw the one person show his daughter did about it, about him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
And she talks about how his last special, when she walked into the green room, and he turned around, it was like he had aged 10 years from the last time she had seen him, and he looked like this old man, and he was shorter, and he was bent over, and...
And yeah, he did seem like Biden, how Biden aged like that.
It seemed like that happened with him.
joe rogan
Well, everybody that I know that did heavy coke in the 70s, by the time the 90s rolled around, they were fucked.
jimmy dore
Yeah?
joe rogan
They were fucked.
Mitzi, allegedly, God rest her soul.
jimmy dore
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, she used to like to party.
And so many others.
Richard Pryor, of course, loved cocaine.
And by the end, he was very, very deteriorating.
jimmy dore
I saw him right at the end.
He used to go up at the comedy store.
joe rogan
I worked with him.
jimmy dore
Yeah?
joe rogan
If you saw him at the Comedy Store, you probably saw me open for him.
Excuse me, me going after him, rather.
I used to have the bomb going after him.
He also weathered serious tax problems, a heart attack, and two open-heart surgeries.
Jesus Christ.
His health problems cost him five years of productivity between 77 and 82. Oh, wow, even back then?
jimmy dore
No kidding!
joe rogan
He was having heart attacks in 77?
Though he had been able to taper his cocaine use on his own, he said he continued to abuse alcohol and also became addicted to Vicodin.
jimmy dore
Oh, that's hard.
joe rogan
In 2004, he entered a rehabilitation center.
jimmy dore
No kidding.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So if that was four years before he died, he went into rehab for Vicodin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I was probably in bad shape.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Sucks.
Sucks.
Sucks that so many of those greats just get hooked on these terrible things.
jimmy dore
I was so lucky to dodge that bullet.
When I was sick and I was going through my bone disease, I used to have to take a handful of Vicodin just to get out of bed.
unidentified
Oof.
jimmy dore
I'd have to set my alarm for like a half hour before I had to get out of bed and I would take them and then wait for them to kick in so I could get out of bed.
unidentified
God damn.
jimmy dore
It was tough.
But I didn't get addicted.
The only thing I ever got addicted to was cigarettes.
joe rogan
Wow, that's crazy.
jimmy dore
And, you know, when I was younger, before I became a comedian, I used to drink gin.
It was just, I mean, just drinking.
We'd finish off a bottle, you know?
I mean, it was crazy.
I can't believe I didn't become an alcoholic.
I mean, maybe people would say you were back then, but, you know, I just drank on the weekends.
joe rogan
And then you just stopped.
jimmy dore
And then, yeah, when I became a comedian, I was like, oh, I pretty much stopped because I didn't want to go on stage drunk.
Right.
Whereas now, I like to have one or two drinks before I go on stage.
joe rogan
Loosen you up a little bit.
jimmy dore
I become a different...
It takes away a little bit of a sensor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
jimmy dore
So it's funny, like, I'll do two shows, and so the first show is sober, and then the second show, I remember I was in Chicago doing a live show with the video, and the second show, I was a little hammered.
And it was a totally different show.
joe rogan
More fun, right?
jimmy dore
It was more fun.
Yeah, there you go.
It was, I was like, wow.
joe rogan
And alcohol has its place.
It just doesn't have its place for everybody, and it doesn't have its place if you're using it every day.
It's just like everything else.
jimmy dore
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I gotta wrap this up and bring it home.
Jimmy, you're a fucking gem.
You're a gem of a human being.
I appreciate you very much, and I'm glad you're out there.
I really am.
I love your show.
I love the courage you have, and you're...
Your ability to chase down stories and find the truth of it.
And also, I think what's really important is you get it out there in a funny way.
I think that it helps people accept it more.
jimmy dore
Well, I'm flattered, Joe.
I really appreciate you saying that.
joe rogan
I appreciate you.
jimmy dore
As always, I'm glad you have this show.
joe rogan
Thank you.
jimmy dore
Okay.
joe rogan
Good to see you.
We're going to have fun tonight.
jimmy dore
Yeah, looking forward to it.
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