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June 13, 2024 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2164 - Action Bronson
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My man, damn, what a day.
action bronson
I mean, it's a joy to spend time with you.
joe rogan
We had a good fucking time today.
We had a good time today.
Got a nice workout in.
Went to some Egyptian barbecue.
KG? It's KG barbecue?
KG barbecue, yeah.
I'd seen YouTube videos about him.
What an interesting story.
Dude's living in Cairo.
He's a banker.
action bronson
It always starts off like that.
Like I told you, there's like architect, this, that.
They always have these dreams of culinary...
I don't know.
I don't know what the fuck they even call it, but...
It's like when, like me, I want to be an actor, or I want to play baller, or I want to be a fighter.
I want to do what I do.
We all have these dreams, even though, stay in the fucking lane.
Just stay there.
Stop being an idiot.
joe rogan
Well, that is a thing, right?
People always want to do a thing that they're not doing.
action bronson
I like hard labor.
joe rogan
Really?
action bronson
I do.
Because I do a lot of like fun.
Everyone thinks that my job is fun and it is.
There's no doubt.
That's why I like to get in the kitchen.
joe rogan
Want some coffee?
action bronson
Nah, I'm good.
I got this espresso.
I'm fucking loosied out.
I'm doing things I've never done before.
I'm like a little fucking floozy right now.
joe rogan
We got you in a sauna.
We got you in a cold plunge.
Got you a loosie.
action bronson
Let me tell you something.
200 degrees in the sauna.
My ribs are ready to be eaten.
I don't even know how long.
The first time it was 10 minutes, but the second time seemed longer.
joe rogan
Well, the second time was easier though, right?
Because you're coming out of the cold.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little easier.
I think we did another 10 after the cold just to bring it back to base.
There's a feeling that you get when you go from the cold to the hot that is like wonderful.
It's like psychedelic.
It's like...
action bronson
I was standing there in the towel for 30 minutes.
Just the towel, no socks on, no nothing, just standing there looking like, man, that was fucking sick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
No, because I never did the cold plunge, and I did it, hopped out, and you're like, no, no, no, get back in.
That's what I needed.
I needed the motivation to be put back in, and that really gave me the benefits from everything, I think.
joe rogan
It is really all...
Battling with this part of your brain that says, get out now.
That's all it is.
And you have to learn how to conquer that part of your brain.
You don't ever really conquer it.
You just silence it.
It's always there.
But you know you're only going to do three minutes.
Even if you're only going to do three minutes, it's like your body's like...
Fuck, how many minutes are we in now?
One minute, 20?
Oh my god, we're not even halfway there.
And if you let that anxiety spiral out, much like in life, much like when people have problems in life, you let that anxiety spiral out and everything gets way worse.
Like, when you're in that situation, you just have to say, this is what I'm doing.
This is just what I'm doing, and I'm gonna do this for three minutes, and there's no ifs, ands, or buts, and I've done it before.
I know I can do it again.
I know it sucks.
Just do it.
But when I first did it, the first time I got in, I was like, I made it a minute and 20 seconds, I think, and I was like, I gotta get the fuck out.
I can't handle it.
action bronson
It's too much.
joe rogan
Yeah, but a lot of it is your mind.
It's not really the reaction that your body has to it.
The reaction to your body has is...
Really only like a mild discomfort.
It's your brain freaking you out.
You've got to get out now.
And it starts just like trying to move your body out.
Your anxiety just kicks in like, wah!
action bronson
Yeah.
At 55 seconds, I was ready to fucking jump out.
There was nothing left in me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
But that was a good start, I think.
I think that was the start to a lot.
I need to take care of myself, Joe.
joe rogan
Well, you have in the past.
You made a big jump when you had one of your babies, one of your kids.
You just decided, I am going to get fit now.
And you lost a ton of weight.
You lost a ton of weight.
You got real healthy.
You started working out all the time.
And you and I worked out together at the Onnit gym.
And I was like, dude, puts in work.
That was real.
That was like a real workout.
Oh, yeah.
You know, you would obviously have been working out a lot because John Wolf, who's the master.
action bronson
Love him.
joe rogan
The master, like one of the best trainers on earth.
He put us through this workout.
That's a fucking serious workout, man.
Serious kettlebell shit, mobility shit.
All these different bodyweight things.
I think we did bear crawls.
We did a lot of shit.
action bronson
I was drenched.
Drenched during the fucking stretch.
Just during the warm-up stretch, I was fucking...
It was harder than anything for me.
Sometimes the stretching and putting yourself in those, like...
joe rogan
Well, John targets a unique area.
He's big on hip strength and hip flexibility.
So he has you doing all these hip exercises with your legs up near in circles and all this stuff, and you're like, whoa, I never do anything like this.
This is hard to do.
action bronson
I haven't done it since then.
I need to get back on that because those are the types of things that I want to work with a core specialist like him.
I need the core work.
Yeah, you see we got the pushing and this and that.
joe rogan
You're very strong.
action bronson
That stuff is kind of easy for us like the pushing and shit, but for me I need more core work.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
I need to stabilize this midsection.
joe rogan
Have you done any yoga?
You done any yoga?
action bronson
I've done yoga.
I've done Pilates.
Yoga is the ultimate.
joe rogan
Out of all those things, like keeping your body balanced and having strength and flexibility, yoga is the king.
action bronson
I can't stay on that kick.
I don't know.
I need some animal shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
I also need...
I know what I need for my body is probably yoga, but what I want to do is animal shit.
joe rogan
Animal shit makes you feel better, right?
action bronson
It does.
It makes me feel more manly.
joe rogan
I see when you like swinging that mace.
action bronson
Oh, man.
I feel like such a fucking barbarian.
It's a 60-pound hammer, for fuck's sakes, wrapped in leather.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
That feels fucking sick to manhandle that.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are so hard to move around.
Like, we were talking today about those clubs, that the club I use is only 20 pounds, which just doesn't seem like a lot of weight, but when you got it out in front of you and doing these things, it's fucking hard to do.
action bronson
Stabilizing 20 pounds is still stabilizing 20 pounds, and you need those front...
That move that you were doing, that's bulletproofing All those little muscles around your shoulder area and your lat and everything.
joe rogan
It's really good for archery.
A lot of it is extending your arm straight out.
When you're doing a shield cast, you're going around your head and you're extending your arm out.
It's such a weird way to move your muscles.
That when you're doing it, you're like, whoa, why don't I do this more often?
Like, why am I bad at this?
How am I so good at this?
So good at, like, lifting things up over my head, but anything gets sideways and around, I'm all squirrely with 20 pounds?
That seems stupid.
action bronson
Like, when I do those little things, it's humbling.
joe rogan
You feel like such a bitch.
15 pounds, like, ah!
action bronson
What are we doing here?
They laugh.
I laugh.
And myself, I look like an idiot.
But those are the types of things I need to warm up to be able to push...
Some heavy shit.
joe rogan
Well, it's just like also just to balance out your body.
You know, we were talking about that Ben Patrick gentleman who created that knees over toes stuff.
And we were doing the Nordic curls today.
And I was saying like, when I first did that, I couldn't even do one.
I couldn't do one.
And I was shocked.
I was like, I have pretty strong legs, like from kicking and stuff.
Like, why can't I lift myself up on my legs?
Couldn't even do one.
action bronson
It's a lot of pressure on the knee.
joe rogan
It just felt weird.
Why am I so weak this way?
I would have thought that I would be able to lift myself up easy, just like I can lift myself up with my abs if I'm sitting down.
I thought this is not going to be hard.
action bronson
I thought I was going to do it easily, too.
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So hard!
action bronson
And then when I got into the apparatus, I realized that I'm a fucking...
I'm very weak in that area.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like what Ben Patrick talks about is strengthening all of these areas.
It's not a sexy exercise to do like tib raises.
You know, you got weight on your foot and you're raising your toes up towards your knees.
action bronson
Let's be honest, if you're a real motherfucker, you know that that's what makes the leg look good.
That's what makes the leg look strong is that tib.
joe rogan
Big, thick muscles down there.
action bronson
When you flex your toe up and that thing pops out in the front of the shin, that looks fire.
That's like some flex.
That's like some muscular development.
That's all I wanted was that tib work.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's something super impressive about dudes with big ass calves.
action bronson
Natural ones too.
You can't get them to a diamond if they weren't a diamond in the beginning.
They'll get nice.
But they'll never be naturally diamond.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
action bronson
You know?
When you see, like my boy, Mikey Spears, he works out.
He's, you know, he's in decent shape now.
He's got himself together, but my fucking lord, this calf.
The calf on this fucking kid is unbelievable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
It's like a horse calf.
joe rogan
Yeah, Mark Hunt, who used to fight in the UFC, he has calves like shoulders, like two shoulders, like your whole body.
action bronson
That's a different species of human being, those Samoas.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Mark Hunt, he was one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it.
You ever watch him in K-1, back in the kickback?
action bronson
Of course, yeah.
joe rogan
That dude won the K-1 Grand Prix.
action bronson
Pretty nuts.
joe rogan
That is an accomplishment over everything else in stand-up combat sports.
Other than MMA championships, K-1 Grand Prix was like, Alistair Overeem won that.
And you think about the guys that are fighting back, like Peter Urst, Ernesto Hoost.
Mr. Perfect.
Like, damn!
And Mark Hunt won that.
Like, that's how good Mark Hunt was.
Mark Hunt just beat some undefeated boxer in Australia.
action bronson
He won the match?
joe rogan
He knocked the dude out.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
It was a fight where he was like, it was Mark Hunt has this big name, this guy's this undefeated, up-and-coming boxer, and he's really young.
And Mark Hunt's like 40-something.
He's 50. Bro, you gotta see this fight.
It's crazy.
This is how good Mark Hunt is.
action bronson
And that was recent.
joe rogan
Recent?
action bronson
Yeah, because I saw him talking about it.
joe rogan
Within a year.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Within a year or so, right, Jamie?
Something like that?
I think that's it.
So, yeah.
So within the year, and bro, it was a crazy fight.
And the guy was good, too.
The guy's good.
He's a good fighter.
And they were building this guy up.
And I think, you know, when boxing is like, they're very careful about how they match fighters up.
You know, and it's really intelligent, I think, if it's done correctly.
If you test them correctly along the way, and you give them fights they can win, and they keep getting better...
But the UFC does not do that.
action bronson
They feed you to the wolves.
joe rogan
UFC is like, this is a wolf farm.
If you're not a wolf, we don't build you into a wolf.
Tell me when you're ready to be a wolf.
You could get a guy like John Jones, right off the bat, 21 years old, just smoking people.
That's your first fight in the UFC. His fight, your fight.
Fuck!
action bronson
I watched that first fight while I was working in the kitchen on Spike TV. I watched from the debut of Jon Jones till now.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
If you run into a special talent like that, Jon's the youngest ever UFC champion.
action bronson
That's right.
joe rogan
And he beat a legend, Mauricio Shogun Hua, in Jersey.
action bronson
Demolished him.
joe rogan
And by the way, captured a burglar the day of the fight.
action bronson
That day?
joe rogan
Yeah, that day.
Chase some dude down to like, I think, snatch some lady's purse or something.
Tackle the dude.
Yeah, so we'll get to that.
But this is Mark Hunt.
action bronson
He looks good.
joe rogan
And this young kid is like this, oh, look at that.
Bro, that right hand.
Come on, son.
Bro, Mark Hunt's been putting it on people since the 90s.
He stopped this dude.
action bronson
A lot of my boys are from New Zealand, and they used to tell me their stories of Mark Hunt being a fucking menace on K-Road.
joe rogan
Oh, bro.
action bronson
The Menace of K Road, Mark Hunt.
joe rogan
Can you imagine a street fight with Mark Hunt?
action bronson
Nah, man.
joe rogan
Are you fucking kidding me?
action bronson
Definitely not.
You just...
I'm a bad guy.
joe rogan
Bro, he ate a Mirko Cro Cop head kick.
It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
action bronson
Was it left or right?
joe rogan
Left.
Left high kick.
Nobody eats a Mirko Cro Cop head kick.
It was back when Mirko was allowed to wear shoes.
He kicked him in the face with shoes?
He kicked him in the face with wrestling shoes on, son.
No, he didn't have the wrestling shoes on.
I lied.
Didn't he have one fight with...
No, I made that up.
I don't think he had one fight with...
I think he always went barefoot.
But, like, you gotta see when he eats one of these high kicks.
And Mirko has the best left high kick, other than Leon Edwards, like, of all time.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And maybe better than Leon Edwards because he's so big.
action bronson
Yeah, he's massive.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking high kick.
He eats it.
He ate a couple of them, dude.
He ate one square on the noggin.
action bronson
Mark Hunt looks fast, too.
The transitions to the knee are nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, Mark Hunt always carried around a lot of body fat, but he moved very well.
And he has, like, lethal combinations.
Like, his combinations are very complex.
He goes under your ribs, over the top.
action bronson
Look at that.
Like David Tua.
joe rogan
And his legs are massive, bro.
His legs are massive.
And he just had, not just an iron chin, but like a warrior's mentality.
Oh, he got dropped here.
Oh, he ate that one.
Bro, on the chin.
Gets up though.
This is what's crazy.
That's the difference between K1 and MMA, right?
action bronson
Laughing, look at that.
He's like, fuck it.
joe rogan
Bro, he got clean caught.
Clean caught by one of the, and he got hit again, by one of the most dangerous strikers of all time.
But you know who put him out, which is even crazy?
Melvin Manhoof.
Melvin Manhoof, who weighed like 190 pounds, put him out with one punch.
Melvin was, you want to talk about like the scariest striker ever in MMA? I think it's Melvin.
He might not have been the best.
He might not be like the best technical, like Pajetas, probably the most technical, but Melvin was so terrifying because he would come at you guns blazing with them gladiator shorts on.
Look at this.
Boom!
I mean, drop Mark Hunt and put him out.
Like who the fuck does that?
action bronson
He has kryptonite in that fucking hand.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Bro, he's so fast.
action bronson
Going backwards.
Boom, boom.
joe rogan
See if you can find a Melvin Manhoof highlight reel.
action bronson
Oh my lord.
joe rogan
This dude, man, this dude was like a demon.
He would come at, first of all, super skillful.
He's from Mike's gym, an Amsterdam legendary kickboxing gym.
Badahari came from that gym.
So just super skillful, but so fucking ferocious, man.
I mean, just such an awesome kickboxer.
And just do or die.
He either got knocked out or he knocked you out.
And that style was just so fan-friendly.
Bro, he's chasing people down!
He was so dangerous.
So dangerous.
But, you know, got KO'd too because his fights were so reckless.
Not reckless, skillful.
Skillful, but like super aggressive.
action bronson
He lives within the zone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's in that danger zone.
And he drags everybody into that.
And you might get him.
Joe Schilling got him.
Robbie Lawler got him.
Robbie Lawler got him in a crazy fight where Robbie Lawler was getting the shit kicked out of his legs, and he just uncorked a hammer, just one punch, just one wild right hand, just clipped The lights go out.
action bronson
Robbie Lawler's the next level, man.
He's such a gentle...
Like, when you meet him also, he's very sweet.
He's just like, yo, how are you, man?
joe rogan
Did you hear what happened during the Free Palestine marches in New York City?
Did you hear what happened?
So there was a bus, and the bus was filled with UFC fighters, and there was the Free Palestine...
action bronson
What they stopped the street?
joe rogan
And apparently the bus was trying to make it through before they closed everything off and the bus didn't.
So then they got in front of the bus and then they started slashing the tires and the bus was filled with Robbie Lawler and a bunch of other killers.
And everybody's like, should we go out with the bus?
And Robbie goes, everybody can serve your energy because we're probably going to need it.
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Just Cobb.
action bronson
Just like a seal.
joe rogan
It's like we have to fight these people.
You're gonna need your energy.
Robbie Lawler's like just sitting there like he's ready to go to a championship fight.
action bronson
He's sitting there like Tom Berenger.
Just fucking getting an arrow ready.
joe rogan
He was just telling everybody just conserve your energy.
Like you imagine if those fucking knuckleheads opened up that door.
So this is the Melvin Manhoff Robbie Lawler fight.
So Melvin is just chopping at Robbie's.
I mean look at that.
Look at that.
One right hand.
Boom!
And then a left behind.
action bronson
That's what I was throwing at the bag today.
Those big overhand rights.
joe rogan
I mean, eyes wide open, out cold.
action bronson
Why do you breathe like that when you're knocked out?
joe rogan
Well, you're almost dead.
action bronson
Okay.
joe rogan
You're almost dead.
action bronson
Makes sense.
joe rogan
You're getting knocked unconscious.
Someone can then kill you.
It's like they've already put you away.
Now you're at their mercy.
And if someone's just...
action bronson
You've seen them doing this before and twitching, but those deep, crazy breaths with the eyes open is fucking scary.
joe rogan
Scary.
action bronson
That shit's scary.
joe rogan
Those kind of knockouts are fucking terrifying.
And how many of them can your body endure?
And at what age?
These are the real questions.
Maybe you can bounce back from one when you're 18, but when you're 35, you can't.
There's a scary.
action bronson
Dudes who take beatings for five rounds, they must get micro, whatever this means, micro concussions.
joe rogan
There's no micro about it.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
They're getting concussed every fucking time.
joe rogan
Most likely, if they get rocked, if they get dropped...
Well, first of all, they're in insane shape.
Like, every guy who gets to a five-round championship level...
Like, did you watch that Sean Strickland-Paulo Costa fight?
action bronson
I sure did.
joe rogan
But you gotta be in bonkers shape to put that pace on a person for three rounds.
action bronson
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
Strickland just stays on you.
Just stays on you.
action bronson
Stays in the gym, that's why.
He doesn't fight.
All he does is fight.
joe rogan
All he does is spar.
He's just constantly sparring.
action bronson
And that's the only way you get that cardio, correct?
joe rogan
I don't know, man, but he has it different than anybody else.
He has it different than anybody else.
Other than Drickus, man, because Drickus, as big as that, as swole as that motherfucker is, that guy's got cardio.
action bronson
He does.
joe rogan
Especially now that he got his nose fixed.
action bronson
Yeah, the first couple of fights he looked like he was gassing, but then he had that nose situation and he looks like a brand new man.
joe rogan
Brand new man.
Dude, the nose thing, ladies and gentlemen.
action bronson
Did you have him beating short?
joe rogan
No, I thought Shawn won by like a round, but I didn't hate it.
It wasn't like the worst decision I've ever seen, but it wasn't like if you're gonna be the champion, you know, that's always a thing.
Like if you're gonna be the champion, it should like be a clear decisive win and I think I would have edged it to Shawn, but it was a great fucking fight.
action bronson
Incredible.
joe rogan
It was a great, and Drickus is tough as shit, man.
That guy's so big.
He barely makes sense that he's 185 pounds.
I'm like, how the fuck do you get down to 185?
Dude, you're huge.
action bronson
230. 225, he probably walks.
joe rogan
Big, thick fucker.
But he does it, just like Alex Pejeda did it.
There's guys that are willing to really, really torture themselves.
action bronson
Recently I was in the airport.
I was leaving Chito's fight in Miami when he fought Sean O'Malley and fucking I seen Alex Pereira and Polino Cruz there.
Polino is fucking massive first off.
He's as big as Alex.
But man, I've never seen a man that looks like fucking Sagat from Street Fighter before exactly.
He's a scary individual, bro.
joe rogan
Alex is built different.
action bronson
Holy shit.
joe rogan
He's built different and his mind's different too.
action bronson
But when you see him out and he's dressed, he's wearing the tight-ass pants.
It's like some Jean-Claude Van Damme shit.
joe rogan
He's looking good.
He's a champ.
He's the champ.
action bronson
He's the champ.
joe rogan
You gotta look like that.
Bro, two-division champ in just a handful of fights in the UFC. Instant Hall of Famer in my mind.
Instant Hall of Famer.
action bronson
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
And, you know, he's just different than everybody else in that he's such a specialist.
He's not taking nobody down.
Like, you never have to worry about him trying to take you down.
He's not even interested.
He's such a specialist.
But that specialist is one of the best specialists ever at that game.
Like, you watch him at his peak in glory...
Dude, Alex Pajeda in glory.
action bronson
Was he at his peak or is he peaking now?
joe rogan
Oh, I think he's peaking now as a fighter, but when he has his peak as a kickboxer, he was putting people into orbit.
Pull up Alex Pajeda versus Jason Willness.
action bronson
That left hook is out of control.
joe rogan
Bro, everything's out of control.
It's scary.
The power is just so extraordinary.
action bronson
It's the torque, man.
It's that body style.
He's just thick and fucking huge.
Bastard.
joe rogan
Yeah, so Jason Willness, who's also a legit world champion, one of the best kickboxers in the world, and Pejeda and him have fought early.
I know, dude.
action bronson
Nah, he literally looks like fucking Saget.
joe rogan
He looks like- He's Street Fighter 2. Like he's born to do this.
But he's such a menace because his style is different than anybody you're gonna get to imitate in the gym.
It's very awkward.
You wouldn't teach that style.
action bronson
The way he's holding his hands out like this.
joe rogan
Everything's strange.
But it's so effective.
And the power is just extraordinary.
Even when you block things.
Like Jason Willis, he's gonna block a high kick, and even though he blocks the high kick, he still gets dropped on his ass.
But you gotta see the KO after he blocks a high kick.
I think it's coming right here.
Yeah.
So he's setting it up.
Boom!
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Wow.
action bronson
The velocity you get on that fucking length of leg.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And the density, dude.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
Coming from playing football, my coach would always say, look at them legs.
Look at that ass.
Yes.
Look at how high his fucking ass is.
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Watch this.
joe rogan
Watch this.
action bronson
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yo, that scissor knee is fucking insanity.
action bronson
He has like a runner's body.
Like his ass is up fucking halfway up his back.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
So we got his leg like that.
It's like a deer.
joe rogan
Well, he's a legit Amazon tribesman.
action bronson
Nice.
joe rogan
You know, like his people are like legit Amazon warriors.
That's probably how the great warriors of 500 years ago all looked.
They're probably all looking like that guy.
Look at that scissor knee.
That is insane.
He's just so clever, too.
And he beats Sean Strickland, he knocks him out in one round, and then goes and trains with him.
action bronson
He's a gentleman.
joe rogan
He's a really fucking nice guy.
action bronson
He seemed like a really nice guy.
He was sweet.
joe rogan
That's why he gets mad when Jamal Hill brought out the Stonehenge statue.
action bronson
After fucking Jamal, who I like a lot, fucking checked his nuts.
Herb, chill for one second.
And then he threw that left hook at him.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of a complication with that, because Jamal stops and pauses, and when he stops and pauses, Alex hops in twice, and he closes the distance.
And so when they restart, it was a little complicated, because what happened was...
action bronson
Should Herb back off then, or he should stop it?
joe rogan
Look, I'm not a referee, and I think Herb's the best in the business, so I'm not going to correct him in any way, ever.
But what I think was going on in Jamal's mind is Jamal kicks him in the nuts...
Accidentally, Herb says stop.
Herb says stop, and then Alex puts his hand on Herb and hops in.
And then they restart.
Herb is out of the view and restarts it.
And when he restarts it, Alex catches him with the left hook.
action bronson
Jamal's out of position.
joe rogan
From Jamal's perspective, Jamal stiffened his legs up, he relaxed, he said, sorry, and then he goes like this, you good?
And then Alex has his hand on the guy's forearm, moves in and they re-engage, but he's closed the distance now, like significantly.
And there's a danger zone with Pajeda.
It's anywhere near his hands.
action bronson
Right there.
You can't take but one.
joe rogan
You can't take but one.
It's just crazy power.
And you know, there's guys that have been gone, like Bruno Silva went three rounds with him.
He survived.
He got a beating.
action bronson
Yeah, he truly got a beating.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's a good striker.
But it was a good fight.
So here's what happens.
There's the nut shot, and it's, you know...
action bronson
I think he was so shockingly spectacular.
joe rogan
Right there.
action bronson
Oh yeah, relax.
joe rogan
His legs stiffen up.
action bronson
And he closes the distance.
joe rogan
But he's already closed the distance.
Because Herb has said stop.
So let's watch it again.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
That first initial bunny hop within.
joe rogan
So watch this.
There's the nut shot, and so he goes, sorry.
He completely stiffens up, stands up straight, lets him close the distance.
action bronson
See?
joe rogan
The distance is much different now when he puts his hand on Herb.
Now he's right in front of him.
So, Jamal was not letting him stand that close to him before, and then he clips him.
Boom, and drops him.
Jamal was fighting him on the outside.
Absolutely.
action bronson
And that one little step in changed the whole game.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And in Jamal's eyes, he had gotten a feeling of the dude's rhythm and where the danger was.
unidentified
Right here, boom, boom.
action bronson
Right there.
joe rogan
But see how he's already closed the distance?
action bronson
Oh yeah, he's already in.
He's already there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just...
It's a thing.
action bronson
I didn't actually realize that until just now.
joe rogan
It doesn't mean Pejeda couldn't have caught him like that at any moment in the fight, because he 100% can catch anybody alive at any moment in the fight with that guy.
Bang!
And then you're in deep shit.
But in that instance, Jamal Hill actually has a point.
And it's just...
Referee in fights is chaos.
They're trying to make a decision in the moment.
He says, I'm fine.
Okay, restart it.
But do you recognize that you said stop?
And when you say stop, are you supposed to separate them?
And then are you supposed to bring them back together to fight again?
Or are you going to let them close the distance?
action bronson
Separate them and then bring them, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think.
But it's one of those things where it's like, okay, you guys are okay?
You're both okay?
All right, go ahead and fight.
Which makes sense too.
But I think...
action bronson
It was a tough spot.
joe rogan
With Jamal's mind, all of a sudden the focus is gone.
There's a confusion.
Are we fighting?
We're not fighting?
We go back?
Alright, we're back.
You know?
action bronson
For sure.
You can see that.
joe rogan
He says, I'm sorry.
I kicked you nuts.
You good?
Gives you a thumbs up.
Gentlemen.
Stands straight up.
Relaxed posture.
Not looking like he's fighting at all.
Alex is like, fuck you.
action bronson
And he sneaks in.
joe rogan
Alex is like, fuck you.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's like, it's Alex's job to say fuck you and close the, if he can get away with doing that, his job is to get a hold of you, right?
And you're trying to allow him to come at you and take angles and kick his legs and pick him apart on the outside and never let him get that close to you where he can clip you with one of them left hooks.
So that's how it happened.
action bronson
That shit's dangerous right there.
That's a dangerous profession.
Let me ask you this.
Do these refs make any money?
Is Herb Dean rich?
joe rogan
I do not know.
I have never asked.
action bronson
Are these dudes making any type of money?
Because they got a lot of fucking pressure on them.
joe rogan
They have a lot of pressure on them.
action bronson
They have a lot of pressure on them.
They also don't have to really, like, answer for themselves also.
joe rogan
Sometimes they do answer for themselves, like if there's a question or a questionable call.
action bronson
It's something really, like, egregious.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was one this weekend.
Jared Kananir and Nasruddin Imamov.
Yeah, and the fight was stopped.
And Jason Herzog, who's the referee, is a really good, really, really good referee.
action bronson
Really good referee.
joe rogan
Fucking excellent referee.
I just think he made a mistake.
I think sometimes guys make mistakes.
And maybe he thought Jared was out.
And maybe he thought he was out on his feet and he was seeing that he was going to get hit again.
And then when he makes the call, all of a sudden Jared recovers.
action bronson
It happens.
Don't you get flash knocked out and then you recover as he's breaking it up, you understand what's happening.
You're like, no, no, no.
joe rogan
And in his mind, he might have thought that Jared had gotten to the point of helplessness and he was going to separate and Jared was going to crumble.
Which could happen.
He could have just crumbled.
He could have just fell apart.
But he definitely didn't.
So when he stopped it, Jared was like, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, I'm okay.
I can still move.
I can get this guy back.
He's going to run out of gas.
Like, this is part of fighting.
action bronson
Some tough ones out there.
joe rogan
It's part of fighting because guys have moments in a fight where they turn on the gas and then sometimes the guys come back from that.
For sure.
I'm sure you've seen Mickey Ward and Arturo Gotti.
action bronson
Many times.
joe rogan
Perfect example.
action bronson
Those fights are crazy, man.
joe rogan
Mickey Ward is putting it on Arturo Gotti.
Just put it on him.
Drops him with a liver shot.
action bronson
Who always took fucking damage.
joe rogan
Yes.
action bronson
He got battered a lot.
joe rogan
They both did.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And in those fights, oh my god.
action bronson
Legendary fights.
joe rogan
But those fights, like, you could have come close to stopping that a couple of times if you were like an overzealous referee.
action bronson
But then there wouldn't be these legendary fucking fights.
joe rogan
Right.
But then there's the other...
action bronson
Well, in that case...
Yeah, obviously now, you know, I'm sure Mickey doesn't speak well.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I talked to him once, said hi to him once.
action bronson
But does he like Drew?
Like not Drew, but you know, like he has like a draw.
joe rogan
But some guys definitely do.
action bronson
Of course.
joe rogan
Some guys get it real, like, you know, some guys get it.
Like Joe Frazier in the end had it so bad.
action bronson
Evander got it.
joe rogan
Does he have it now?
action bronson
He doesn't sound like he's all there.
How his body might be there, but it doesn't seem like his speech is there.
joe rogan
How can you be?
How can you keep getting repeatedly punched in the head and not have it damage your head?
If you drink whiskey every day, you're gonna get a fucked up liver.
If you're getting punched in the head all of the time, that can't be good.
action bronson
For me, I like to protect this bod of mine.
I just want to make it more healthy.
That's what I really want to do.
joe rogan
I have friends that spar.
And they really like sparring.
And I'm like, you're a professional.
You have a professional.
action bronson
Like just regular dudes that like some fight club?
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
You just want to get a little adrenaline.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But they're sparring and they're 46. They're getting punched in the face.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Don't do that.
unidentified
Bro, you're going to forget where your keys are.
joe rogan
It'll take a long time if you start if you're 46. That's what I'm saying.
action bronson
It takes a minute.
joe rogan
You have to be a weird athlete to get really good at striking at 46. If you've never done anything and then you step in and now you're sparring guys and you're good at 46, you'd have to be like a weird athlete.
You'd have to be like some dude who could just do gymnastics, basketball, baseball.
He could do anything.
He just knows how to move his body.
action bronson
I feel like that could be me.
I like training, man.
Like I said, I want to grapple somebody.
I would do a celebrity grappling, even though it's like, fuck a celebrity.
Just a grappling.
joe rogan
As long as there's no heel hooks.
action bronson
No heel hooks.
This is not jiu-jitsu.
This is grappling.
I want to do collegiate style and mix with Roman Greco.
joe rogan
Do you really?
action bronson
I don't know.
Yeah, I do.
I want to fucking throw somebody around for sure.
I want to fucking submit somebody very badly.
Every day I practice submitting a fucking sandbag.
joe rogan
Do you?
action bronson
Yeah, every day.
joe rogan
Do you ever take jiu-jitsu classes?
action bronson
I did a couple of times, but I've been offered to go where my son goes, but I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Get in there.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get in there.
action bronson
I only want to learn top pressure.
joe rogan
That's it?
action bronson
I'm never gonna be on the fucking bottom, dog.
Fuck that.
Only top.
Aggressive top.
joe rogan
Well, what are you gonna do to get him?
action bronson
I don't know.
joe rogan
You gotta learn how to get off the bottom, at least.
action bronson
That's the hardest thing to do.
If someone's laying on me, it fucking sucks.
joe rogan
It's very difficult.
unidentified
It's hard.
action bronson
You have to pinch.
You have to pinch, then.
joe rogan
But you're gonna have to learn how to get out.
action bronson
Are you allowed to pinch?
joe rogan
No.
A dude recently bit a dude in the UFC, and so the dude got a tattoo of the guy's bite on his arm, which is hilarious.
action bronson
Dude, that's a fucking deep bite.
unidentified
Ooh, deep.
action bronson
That was in this spot here, that thin skin, he could have broke fucking skin and it could have bled bad.
joe rogan
Oh, it's real dangerous.
action bronson
That's disgusting, bro.
joe rogan
Like, teeth, like, people's mouths are so nasty.
action bronson
It's the worst shit in the world.
joe rogan
We give people awful infections.
What does it say?
I got fucking bit?
What's the full tattoo?
action bronson
I got fucking bit bonus.
jamie vernon
Bonus.
action bronson
Oh, yeah, they gave him the bonus, right?
joe rogan
Well, they disqualified the guy he was fighting and he got the win bonus.
action bronson
It was a decent fight.
He was definitely winning, though.
joe rogan
Yes.
I think the dude was trying to take him down and he couldn't take him down and he bit his arm from behind.
It was just like, That's fucking so animal.
That's so crazy that people get to that state where they're like, ah, fucking, put your fucking eyes.
Like Tyson and Holyfield.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
action bronson
When you're frustrated, you get put in a position you can't get out.
joe rogan
Damn, look at that bite, too.
That's a crazy bite.
action bronson
Was he wearing a fucking mouth guard or did he throw it out of his mouth?
What the fuck is that?
joe rogan
That looks like a baby piranha.
Yeah.
Oh, you know what it is?
It's a mouth guard probably on one side, but not on the other.
So wait, you just wear one piece?
action bronson
You don't do the double?
joe rogan
I don't think anybody uses the double.
action bronson
That shock guard that we used to wear in football?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think the problem with that is it restricts your breathing too much.
action bronson
Ah, yeah, true.
joe rogan
So most guys just wear one on the top.
There were some boxers back in the day that would wear the double.
It would be crazy.
They had this crazy mouth.
action bronson
Yeah, like that, of course.
joe rogan
And they had holes like this, and they'd be fighting with this double.
But I think ultimately everybody kind of decided that that just takes out too much wind.
action bronson
Break your nose, it's over.
How are you going to fucking breathe if you break your nose in that big-ass football mouth guard?
joe rogan
Yeah, that mouth guard sucks.
I don't think you could do that.
It's like, have you ever done one of those breath trainers where you breathe through something?
Like the Boss Rootin' one?
action bronson
Yep.
It's pretty much what they give you after surgery.
Where they put the fuck in the ball, you have to keep the ball in the middle.
And he made a thing.
joe rogan
Boss Rootin' did.
action bronson
He made a waist trainer.
Not a waist trainer, a fucking breath trainer?
joe rogan
Yes, Boss Rutten did, yeah.
It's really good.
It's got a bunch of different filters.
So you have one where it's wide open.
action bronson
Like lung restrictions?
joe rogan
Yeah, like there's different levels of lung restriction or air restriction.
It's basically like you're breathing air through a smaller and smaller hole and it just like fits in your mouth and it's like contracting your diaphragm muscles and it's just really like, it's like breathing exercises but almost like with weights.
action bronson
I mean, the world is incredible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Just keep, like, all these little micro-workouts for fuckin' organs and muscles.
I love this.
I love this.
I love to learn about these things.
I'm gonna order one.
Does he have them ready?
Are they available?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What is it called?
What's Boss's...
action bronson
I love fuckin' Boss Rootin'.
joe rogan
He's the man.
action bronson
Those early videos of him showing you how to fucking win a bar fight?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Incredible.
action bronson
Those things are things of legend.
joe rogan
And he's another guy.
If you met him, you would have no idea.
You would think he's the nicest.
What does he do?
Is he a banker?
There it is.
The O2 Trainer.
That's right.
The O2 Trainer 2.0.
New and improved.
action bronson
You wear that running?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
action bronson
Or just wherever?
joe rogan
You just do it for breathing exercises.
They have outlines of different ways to do it.
A boss has videos that he's put out there.
And, you know, I think they probably have a frequently asked questions.
action bronson
You look ridiculous, but I'm sure it works.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he is.
Boss and me talking about it.
It's real.
I use it.
unidentified
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fun.
He told me not to do it in the Cold Plunge.
I was like, Joe!
It's Boss!
Listen!
People apparently black out, so don't do it in the Cold Plunge.
Like I would imagine like if you were in the cold plunge, you're freezing and then you're also restricting your breathing and you get like...
action bronson
I could attest.
joe rogan
Things get wacky.
action bronson
You lose your breath immediately, man.
I fucking could not handle that.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you had that thing in your mouth too.
action bronson
You feel like you're getting choked.
joe rogan
Super ultra freak out.
action bronson
Nah.
I mean, you use all these different fucking...
These different things that people invent, I think.
By the way...
I feel like an asshole sometimes when I come on here.
Terrence Howard.
I don't even know what to say.
I was like googling shit to talk about after that.
What the fuck?
What in the actual fuck?
I understand it though.
I kinda understand it.
I understand it.
I understand.
joe rogan
I mean it made sense.
action bronson
To me, he's making me believe.
joe rogan
He's way too smart to just be making everything up.
There's no way he's a lunatic.
action bronson
You can't just come up on that.
joe rogan
I'm like, I don't think that's correct.
He knows too much.
Is he correct?
I don't know.
So that's what has to happen is Terrence Howard has to sit down with someone who's an academic, someone who's got a PhD in whatever discipline they're talking about, and they can have a discussion.
And you can see what he really knows and just what he can say to me, right?
To me, it all makes sense, but I'm a moron.
action bronson
No, you're not.
joe rogan
But if you're talking to a mathematician or if you're talking to a physicist, someone who actually can understand what these computations mean and what he's trying to say about one plus one or one multiplied by one can't be one.
action bronson
Like no mathematics.
Everything is bullshit.
I believe that.
I wasn't good in algebra.
I see it more in a linear way, not a linear way, a different way than him.
Like, more similarly to him.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I would imagine that There's probably more to all these things.
action bronson
Those fucking toys he made?
The figures?
joe rogan
Even our mathematics.
As brilliant as the people are who have created all the formulas that everyone's studying, I would imagine that in the future they're going to have even better methods of figuring things out.
And that all these things are going to evolve.
That they're not perfect.
And that they're going to just continue to evolve.
And...
If we want to get to what alien civilization looks like, when we want to get to super insane levels of technology where they control all of the atmosphere, they literally can harness the power of stars, there's so much work to do.
There's so much everybody has to figure out.
And if Terrence Howard, somehow or another, if it's the craziest story ever, and Terrence Howard is literally one of the smartest guys that ever lived, And he's got all these genius ideas and inventions.
And even though he seems crazy, it seems just insane that this is coming from an actor.
This is from the Hustle and Flow guy?
What?
This is from the Iron Man guy?
What?
action bronson
He was in Boomerang back in the day with Eddie Murphy.
Fucking Sunset Park.
He was Spaceman.
Like, he has range.
He's like a modern day Daniel Day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's a great actor, but it's just because he's so smart.
And then he's talking about how the periodic table's all fucked up, and this is what- wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
What are you doing?
How can you do this?
action bronson
I understand about- because of music, I understand the way that he- I feel what he's saying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Like, stop trying to uncover shit, just- all these little micro fucking bullshits.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
action bronson
Like I said, I'm a fucking idiot.
I'm trying to regurgitate what I heard.
Like, as far as all the elements, the elements in between.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Like- Why are they there when they're just...
joe rogan
You know what I'm talking?
You and I will never explain this in a way that's not hugely frustrating to anybody who really knows it.
action bronson
I can't even remember what I'm trying to say, but you know the fucking...
joe rogan
The way he was explaining how everything's connected.
action bronson
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the entire...
the whole scale of it.
And the way he was showing it like a geometric pattern.
And when you look at it like the way he was describing it, you're like, oh, wow, that kind of makes more sense.
It does make sense.
That's it.
I mean, it just looks beautiful.
action bronson
That's fire.
That's dope art.
joe rogan
I need to know if this is true.
I'm going to send you this, but it's so cool that I hoped and prayed that it was true and I didn't even want to Google it.
But it's that they took these photons.
jamie vernon
I was trying to find that.
Did you see it?
I Googled it and couldn't find anything.
joe rogan
How could this be fake?
Why would they be lying to me, Jamie?
Why would they be lying to me, Jamie?
jamie vernon
It was like, what did they do?
Photons had what?
joe rogan
It looked like a yin and yang.
I'll tell you what it is.
I'll send it to you again.
I'll send you the...
jamie vernon
It's like a very specific thing they did to them.
action bronson
Yeah, but- And it revealed the yin-yang?
jamie vernon
That's what it looks like.
joe rogan
It's quantum entangled photons.
So, this is what it looks like.
That's quantum entangled photons.
Now, again, for the record, I am a fucking idiot, okay?
I don't even know what that means.
I can say those words, quantum entangled photons, but you may be, like, right down without any googling in an essay what a quantum entangled photon exactly is.
action bronson
But what it looks like- Aren't photons from light?
From sun?
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is the thing.
Quantum yin-yang shows two photons being entangled in real time, so it's true.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
The stunning experiment, which reconstructs the properties of entangled protons from a 2D interface pattern, could be used to design faster quantum computers, and when you quantumly entangle two photons, they look like a yin and yang.
Do you know how insane this is?
action bronson
What does quantumly entangled mean?
joe rogan
That's a very good question that I can say, and it makes me sound smarter.
Quantumly entangled.
But I couldn't write that down without Googling it exactly.
action bronson
The quantum entanglement, is it the mixture of these photons together?
joe rogan
Well, I think what it is, is these particles are entangled in some way where they don't have to be in the same place and time, but they react to each other.
There's some method or some way of understanding how this is done.
It's all squirrely, yellow legal pad, chalkboard with a bunch of squiggles that you don't understand.
Bananas talk.
Quantum entangled photons.
I don't know exactly how they do it.
It's a weird connection between two far apart particles that Albert Einstein objected to as spooky action at a distance enables two light particles or photons to become inextricably bound to each other so that a change to one causes a change in the other no matter how far apart they are.
To make accurate predictions about a quantum object, physicists need to find its wave function, a description of its state existing in a superposition of all the possible physical values a photon can take.
Entanglement makes finding the wave function of two connected particles a challenge, as any measurement of one also causes an instantaneous change in the other.
action bronson
But why are they depicted in different shades and different colors?
joe rogan
First of all, I don't trust these super dorks at all.
Look at the photos of those people.
action bronson
Yeah, I don't know, man.
They're pretty young.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're all too smart.
I don't trust them.
They're speaking gibberish.
action bronson
I need to see some old guys.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Scientists have used a first-of-its-kind technique to visualize two entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum yin-yang symbol.
The new method, called bifoton digital holography, uses an ultra-high-precision camera and can be used to massively speed up future quantum measurements.
action bronson
Well, then it's all bullshit.
It's not real time.
It's not real.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
action bronson
It's a fucking, it's like those super, it's like the AI shit.
That's not a real image.
They colored it and fixed it and put fade and brightness and fucking, you know, like, how does that...
joe rogan
I don't know if they did.
action bronson
You don't think so?
joe rogan
No.
Um, I think whatever the light is on the right, there's like a different technique of measuring it.
Like, what was the one on the right?
Like, how did they do that?
action bronson
Heat?
joe rogan
So this is a reconstruction of a holographic image.
action bronson
Man, I'm gonna get fucking demolished.
I'm a total moron.
joe rogan
No, I think there's just two different ways of imaging it.
So I don't think there's anything fake about it.
I think it's just a bizarre shape that exists in ancient cultures and now they're finding out it's actually two entangled photons.
action bronson
Yeah, but who came up with all this motherfucking shit holography?
What the fuck is that?
Where did this come from now?
joe rogan
Scientist dudes.
And gals.
And non-binary folk.
What is the actual definition of yin-yang, Jamie?
Like, what does it exactly mean?
I know it's to be balanced.
Like, and I knew, like, back when I was in high school, all the cool kids got yin-yang tattoos.
action bronson
I want one now.
Now I want one.
joe rogan
Now I'm thinking I'm getting one.
Because of the quantum thing.
But it became a corny thing.
Like, yin-yang became corny.
action bronson
When I was young, it was like...
Tribal.
Now I want tribal or barbed wire around the bicep.
joe rogan
Yeah, like old days.
action bronson
Like Pam Anderson.
joe rogan
A lot of wrestlers had it.
Okay, so what does it mean?
action bronson
Buff Bagwell.
jamie vernon
There's no...
Meanings are popping up.
There's not...
I don't know about a specific definition because you've got to define the yin and yang.
joe rogan
Well, just Google that right there, people.
Also ask.
Go back.
And then what is the meaning of yin-yang?
Click on that.
What does that say?
jamie vernon
Oh, it's a video.
joe rogan
Boring!
action bronson
Like, can't it just tell you?
joe rogan
Can you just tell me, bitch?
Write it down.
What does it mean?
jamie vernon
I mean, you have to describe both, and then you have to describe them both together.
It's like describing what is light and what is dark.
joe rogan
Here's the thing, man.
action bronson
It's a philosophy.
It's an open-ended philosophy.
joe rogan
This is one of the things that freaks me out about the current state of the world, is that we are at odds with China.
And China has been around forever.
They are so much more established.
They've been around for 4,000 years, man.
action bronson
So many dynasties and...
joe rogan
They've been thriving economically for 4,000 years.
They invented everything.
China invented paper.
They invented alcohol.
They invented the mechanical clock.
They invented gunpowder.
They invented rockets.
action bronson
I mean, bro, when I fucking order my clothes to sell, I get it from there.
They do it much fucking better and cheaper than here.
joe rogan
You can buy good American stuff.
action bronson
Nah, but it's not the same.
When you outsource, hey, listen, I like America, but if you want to get it done right, you go to China.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
action bronson
That is a crazy thing to say.
joe rogan
But it is fucked up that somewhere we lost our way and we decided that it would be better for some people over here to get things paid for in a cheap manner.
Get cheap labor from a country where they let people work for like almost nothing and buy your shit from them and then sell it over here.
But it's just short math.
Because, like, everybody's like, hey, hey, hey, do you know what the fuck the trickle-down of that is?
How about we just make less money or we don't look at it in terms of, like, you're never gonna end, it's never gonna stop growing?
How about you, like, maintain what we've got and make high-quality stuff and keep all these jobs here?
Like, what's the economic downside of getting rid of Thousands of jobs every time they close a plan.
Thousands of jobs just to make a little bit more money, or even if it's a lot more money.
Like, aren't you making money?
Isn't it so successful that you can buy a new plant in Mexico?
Like, what the fuck are we doing?
action bronson
People are fucking sticking ahead.
joe rogan
It's all short-sighted.
action bronson
It's all money, money, money, money, money, money.
joe rogan
You ever see Roger and me?
action bronson
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
It's Michael Moore's best documentary, I think.
And it's the first one, too.
action bronson
I like Michael Moore a lot.
joe rogan
He was young.
He's a good dude.
I met him a couple times.
action bronson
I met him one time, coming out of the fucking 23rd anniversary Jordan party.
Fuck That's Delicious had just come on Vice.
And he walked out.
He was in his limo.
He came out.
He goes, Action!
What's up?
I've been in the hotel room all weekend watching Fuck That's Delicious.
I love it.
And this is outside the Jordan party.
I just met Moses Malone and shit like that.
It was fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's cool.
action bronson
And this was early on and he gave me that props.
joe rogan
That's nice.
action bronson
It meant a lot to me.
joe rogan
The documentary is really good.
It's really good and it's really heartbreaking.
It's about Flint, Michigan when the auto factories pull out.
action bronson
Bro, he does these tear-jerkers, man.
joe rogan
This one's a really good one.
action bronson
He's showing you the real.
joe rogan
This is the realest of the real, because this is where he's from, and he got to see all these people, just thousands of people, man, that were employed by the auto industry, just get those jobs removed and sent to Mexico, and they're fucked, man.
No one has anything.
No one has anything.
There's just, like, nothing to do.
It's not like you need to work harder.
It's like, no, the industry's gone.
action bronson
There's no jobs.
There's nothing to do there.
joe rogan
The main thing in the town is now gone.
The town just died.
It's a ghost town now.
Now everyone's fucked.
And it happened like that.
And it happened because people wanted to make more money.
That's what's crazy.
action bronson
So they don't make Cadillac over there anymore?
joe rogan
I don't know what they're doing now, because I know a lot of things have come back to Detroit.
Like, Detroit's kind of making a bit of a boom.
Sam Talent just moved to Detroit.
Shout out to Sam Talent.
Hilarious comedian, if you don't know who he is.
But they've got...
You know, there's a lot of businesses that are coming out of Detroit that are proud about it, like Shinola, made in Detroit, American-made watches and leather bags.
action bronson
I stay in that hotel a lot.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a good hotel, man.
action bronson
It is.
joe rogan
They're legit.
Shinola's legit.
So there's a bunch of stuff happening there, but it used to be one of the richest cities in the world.
Detroit in the 19...
You ever seen videos of Detroit in the 1960s?
action bronson
That's where the players came from.
It was Detroit players.
joe rogan
Bro.
action bronson
That's where dressing like a player came from.
joe rogan
Bro.
action bronson
Gators.
All kinds of fucking outfits and gators.
That's where it came from.
joe rogan
Booming economy.
action bronson
Buffs.
The fucking Cartier lenses.
It's like a whole thing.
joe rogan
Motor City Hitman, Thomas Hearns.
action bronson
Come on, man.
You don't think he wore Cartier lenses?
unidentified
Come on, man.
action bronson
100%.
And he wore Gators.
joe rogan
100%.
So that place was this thriving city.
And then all of a sudden, the auto manufacturers pulled out.
You just watched one of the great cities melt.
Why?
Because someone wanted to make more money.
That is so crazy that people are willing to do that.
It's so fucking crazy.
action bronson
Well now I have to fucking rethink all my business models.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I work with Origin.
Origin is a company in Maine.
It's all American-made.
Everything.
Threads.
Everything.
Cloth.
Everything.
All our hunting gear is made by Origin.
All of it's made.
They develop the pattern.
They make it all.
Everybody gets paid well.
Great jobs.
It just feels better.
I always say that about iPhones.
Make me an iPhone that you make in America.
Just charge me more money.
Can you just put a little US flag in the corner so I know I'm getting that one?
And just charge me more money.
Just charge me more money.
action bronson
It's like when you buy a pair of New Balance sneakers, the made in America ones are always the better quality stuff.
You know you're getting quality when it says, made in the US of A. But also, you know you're getting it from people that you have to adhere to laws, like labor laws.
joe rogan
You don't have to adhere to those if you're buying them from third-world countries.
action bronson
Of course.
joe rogan
So it's kind of weird that that's okay.
And I know – I understand the economics of it.
I don't really, but I understand that I don't understand it.
I understand it's not my place.
But I get why everybody did it, but you've got to look at what the cost of that is.
It's so insane.
You know, someone was explaining to me that there's some African countries that get free clothes from the United States.
So, like, they'll donate, like, free clothes, like a bunch of companies, and they get together and donate free clothes, which seems great, right?
But a lot of these developing countries have people making clothes.
And then all of a sudden, a bunch of free clothes get dropped off.
And they're like, hey, what the fuck?
Like, now I'm not going to sell any fucking clothes.
Now you literally can't get by making clothes because they're giving away free clothes.
And giving away free clothes is like a part of their whole charitable organization, like to make everybody feel great.
action bronson
Yeah, but they don't need to be doing that.
joe rogan
But you could, in fact, cripple a growing economy by giving people free clothes.
action bronson
Give them food.
joe rogan
I would have never thought that.
I would have never thought that giving someone free clothes could ever be bad.
But it could be bad if they're actually starting to develop an economy, or they have a thriving economy, and somebody makes clothes there, and all of a sudden, you know, we think we should give them free clothes, and it's gonna fix everything and make us feel better.
action bronson
I'll tell you this, in every fucking third world country I've been to, They got fucking Lionel Messi jerseys.
They got Vinnie Jr. jerseys.
They got all kinds of sports jerseys.
They're not wearing any.
They're wearing fucking jerseys.
All kinds of sports clothing.
joe rogan
Puma.
Interesting.
That's the cool shit?
action bronson
Always, always.
Young kids always got the fucking soccer jerseys on or just like a team shirt.
I see Yankee shirts.
joe rogan
That's always been the case though, right?
action bronson
Always.
Come on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
I mean, I... To this day, my wardrobe is jerseys.
That's all I like wearing.
That's all I like wearing.
joe rogan
Is that a Patrick Ewing?
action bronson
Yeah, Patrick Ewing.
I wore this jersey in like 30 countries already.
I never take it off.
It's like I'm fucking Pat.
I should put the knee braces on.
joe rogan
It makes you feel casual.
action bronson
It really does.
It makes me feel casual and it also makes me feel like...
You know where the fuck I'm from.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
I'm wearing it on my chest, bro.
joe rogan
Exactly, right?
Nobody's going to mistake you for a Georgia boy.
action bronson
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Hey, my ain't won't come alligator, huh?
action bronson
Yeah, you're not going to fucking think that.
joe rogan
No.
action bronson
That's for sure.
joe rogan
No, not at all.
action bronson
I was listening to...
I wanted to bring this up because I think that this is fucked up.
I'm listening to WFAN radio in New York City, and they run these weird commercials for older men and shit like that and stuff.
There was this one, yo, fucking Dr. Darius Paduk, fucking a crime against men, a urologist who fucking touched hundreds and hundreds of men, apparently.
They're running this spot on the radio station.
Saturday morning, I'm watching Spongebob on Nickelodeon with my child.
They run the fucking same spot, but a visual of Darius fucking Padauk.
Why are they running that spot on Nickelodeon?
joe rogan
For parents.
They're assuming the parents are watching the show with the kids.
action bronson
But my son's asking me who the fuck is Darius Padauk, and I don't know how to explain that he's done urology and crime against men.
I don't know how to explain that.
joe rogan
So what do you mean by he did crime against men?
action bronson
There were crimes against men.
unidentified
He touched.
action bronson
He did weird things to them during urology exams.
joe rogan
And this ad that they were running?
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was an ad, like a news story, breaking news story?
action bronson
Not a breaking news, but like one of those, yeah, if you have the fucking mesh in your stomach recall, you could get money or this.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
Like they want people to come forward, all the victims of Dr. Darius Paducah.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
action bronson
So I just found that a little bit fucking...
joe rogan
Maybe it's for parents.
action bronson
Yeah, but why on Nickelodeon Spongebob Saturday morning when they're running the same spot on WFAN for like 60-year-old men?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
action bronson
I just thought that was fucked.
joe rogan
Maybe it's just a mistake.
action bronson
That's my one contribution to this...
It was a good one, though.
adam ray
Imagine if commercials were illegal.
joe rogan
Imagine if we decided that everything has to exist on its own merit.
And, you know, word of mouth is the only thing that counts.
There's plenty of social media out.
No one's allowed to advertise at all anymore, ever again.
Bye!
action bronson
I would love that.
No more spots.
No more this.
No more fucking reads.
No more that.
Listen.
All these reads, bro, it's a lot.
It's a fucking lot.
I'm not used to it.
I'm not used to it.
I don't love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, AI's gonna take that for you.
action bronson
Should I do it now?
You think I could pull that one off now?
joe rogan
Probably pretty fucking close.
Pretty fucking close.
action bronson
What is this AI with the iPhone that I'm seeing on Instagram?
joe rogan
This is the newest AI. Should I throw this against the wall?
I don't know.
Elon seems to be very apprehensive.
And he said something about that if it is in the operating system, if it's in iOS itself, he doesn't think they're going to be able to control it.
And he thinks it represents security risk to the extent that he's not going to allow...
People to if this does get implemented as a part of the operating system He's not gonna allow people at Tesla to have them He's not gonna allow them to come in with like iPads or laptops that are Apple And it gotta go in some sort of box.
Listen, man, if he's getting scared, I get scared.
action bronson
I'm scared.
joe rogan
I get scared.
When he's saying, hey, you're letting that fucking thing in everyone's phones and you don't know how to control it.
And they're like, hey, you know why they got AI? Do you know why they're doing that?
Because of this.
This is the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra.
action bronson
You're no fool.
I'm about to get it.
joe rogan
This is my new phone.
action bronson
I'm getting it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Listen, Apple's great.
I love Apple.
I'm not a hater.
I'm going to keep this phone too.
But there's things that I can do with this phone that I can't do with this phone.
This phone has anti-glare screen.
It's way better to look at outside.
Way better.
Instantly I notice that.
It charges quicker.
It has all kinds of crazy shit.
Like you can circle an object and Google just searches it for you.
It tells you, like you see someone's sneakers, you're like, damn, those are cool.
Google sends you a link, shows where you can shop for it.
It does a lot of shit that you can't get on an iPhone right now.
So they had a response to that?
action bronson
They don't even look that cool.
They're cool, but they're antiquated.
joe rogan
This thing translates in real time.
So you could be speaking Italian, and I could be speaking English.
We could have a conversation.
action bronson
That's one of the best things to use.
My wife and I, we have this masseuse.
She's a Chinese woman, about 70 years old.
We're great friends with her, and we just talk with the phone.
Translate, translate.
joe rogan
It's phenomenal.
action bronson
She sends text messages, full Chinese characters.
unidentified
Wow.
action bronson
Translate.
joe rogan
That's dope.
Isn't that dope?
action bronson
I would love to just be able to say something and then in my voice it says it in Chinese to her.
joe rogan
I think they're doing that.
I think they're doing that.
I think that is 100% gonna happen.
action bronson
I'd learn Chinese that way also.
joe rogan
Yes.
You really could.
action bronson
It's better than Rosetta Stone.
joe rogan
What's the best way?
There's a bunch of different controversial best way to learn...
Well, you could learn Spanish in six weeks.
action bronson
I'll tell you how to fucking learn Spanish.
Go work in the kitchen.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
With some Mexican dudes that will not speak English to you.
That's how you learn.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta pick it up.
action bronson
That's how I learned.
joe rogan
Pick it up eventually.
That is what they say, immersion, right?
That's the best way to really learn a language.
action bronson
Immersion.
I mean, also, like, if you learn, like, phrases.
Like, phrases as far as, like, I don't know.
I don't even know how to...
I can't even give you an example.
Things about the day or what you're about to do or shit like that, just normal phrases that you would use in everyday life.
If you just use those, more than likely they're gonna catch one way or another.
You could use them in different settings.
You just gotta know a couple things.
And then you build off that.
joe rogan
Imagine how funny that must sound to them.
Our stupid Spanish.
You know?
It's like Borat sounds to us.
action bronson
Yeah, no, I mean...
The one thing that I do, I love when immigrants come here and they try to speak English.
Because a lot of Americans, they don't fucking try and speak any other languages.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
But everybody comes here and learns English one way or another, they're speaking broken, but you understand it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's probably the most, other than Spanish, the most recognized language.
Like, what is the most popular language on earth?
Well, numbers-wise, it might be Mandarin.
Or it might be Hindi.
Like, what is the most popular language on Earth?
Like, take a guess.
What do you think it is?
action bronson
I think it's Spanish.
I think it's the most spoken language in the world.
jamie vernon
The most countries.
joe rogan
Spanish is?
Yeah, let's see.
What are the most spoken languages in the world?
What are the most spoken languages in the world?
Chinese number one?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
jamie vernon
I thought there was multiple dialects.
joe rogan
Right, but like maybe it's just...
jamie vernon
It says Chinese slash Mandarin.
joe rogan
Okay.
900 million.
900 million, bro.
action bronson
Yeah, but there's a lot of fucking guys over there speaking their language natively.
I don't know if it, you know, I've never met a white guy that could speak it perfectly or a black guy that could speak it perfectly.
joe rogan
I've met a few people that know Mandarin.
action bronson
A couple.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
A couple.
joe rogan
Very strange.
action bronson
But who knows Cantonese?
joe rogan
John Cena.
action bronson
Fuck outta here, fuckin' John Cena doesn't know Cantonese!
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
It says English is number one.
What?
jamie vernon
It says English is number one.
joe rogan
One of them says English is number one?
jamie vernon
It depends on what you're talking about.
joe rogan
But that only says 1.552 million.
Oh, wow.
unidentified
1 billion 452. That was the best answer I've ever heard in my life.
jamie vernon
A lot of Chinese people might know English because of the internet.
Do you know main language?
Do you know a couple words?
Can you hold a conversation?
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
English has become the world's most common language.
Default for international business, tourism, tech, and much more.
I mean, programming things is a big thing.
So you can't program in multiple languages.
joe rogan
Isn't there some shit going down right now where Saudi Arabia is getting off the US dollar, the petrodollar?
jamie vernon
That's different.
joe rogan
I know it's a little different, but I was just thinking about things I'm scared of.
More things I'm scared of?
action bronson
Nah, I mean, listen.
There's so many things out there that we have no clue that we should be scared of.
As long as I don't know, I'm alright.
joe rogan
That's a way to live.
action bronson
Right, for right now.
But if you tell me, then I'll be like, fuck.
joe rogan
Right now you know.
Now you gotta operate.
action bronson
Now I gotta figure it out.
joe rogan
Aliens are real.
action bronson
There's no doubt about it.
If you think about what this actually is, what are we fucking doing?
This life experience.
Aliens, this, that.
There's all kinds of crazy shit.
We can't just think.
Are we even living right now?
What is happening right now?
What is this?
joe rogan
It might be simulation theory.
action bronson
Exactly.
joe rogan
You got something, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Something that says what you said, but I don't know.
joe rogan
So they ditched the U.S. dollar today, right?
jamie vernon
It was a pact for 50 years.
I don't know that it wasn't expected.
I don't know that they just did it.
action bronson
The dollar is a piece of shit.
joe rogan
Is it?
action bronson
I think so.
joe rogan
I like them.
action bronson
I like the way...
I have a bunch of them sitting right there that I could hold, but I don't...
They're almost worthless.
joe rogan
Craig Jones came in here, and he had a million dollars in cash.
action bronson
On him?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I want to grab that bag.
You see a million dollars in cash, it's just piles of hundreds.
Like, this is crazy.
action bronson
A million dollars in cash isn't that much, though.
joe rogan
It's a bag.
action bronson
Yeah, it's a bag.
joe rogan
In hundreds, it's not that much.
It's like a gym bag, stuffed with hundreds.
It was weird.
action bronson
That looks good.
joe rogan
It looked good.
action bronson
That looks good to me.
joe rogan
Look good.
action bronson
Looks like a drug deal gone bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, or good.
action bronson
Both.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Life in the fast lane.
jamie vernon
It's only 22 pounds of money.
Oh.
joe rogan
22 pounds of money.
action bronson
It's like the things you would do with the rod.
joe rogan
With the rod.
Yeah, you could do that with that bag of money.
Just do kettlebells with that bag of money.
action bronson
I mean, now it'd be fire to work out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could do some shield cast with that bag of money.
action bronson
Listen, all I know is that a million dollars isn't even a lot anymore.
And you need to do a lot to make a million dollars.
Especially when you make one million dollars, you're not making one million dollars.
joe rogan
Right.
In California, that's about to become the average home price.
action bronson
Eight years ago I was in Vancouver and they told me that was the average price.
joe rogan
A million.
action bronson
A million dollars.
joe rogan
And what does the average person make?
I think they make $62,000.
action bronson
Who the fuck is living in these places?
joe rogan
It's insane.
The average home being a million dollars, like everyone's in debt.
And then you've got companies that are buying up houses just so they can lease them out to people and make money leasing them.
action bronson
I mean, bro, look at New York City.
I'm over here looking for a house.
I'm competing with brokers and like big people who want to put buildings where these old homes used to be.
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
action bronson
They're ready to just go, you know?
joe rogan
They do a lot of that stuff out here, like, on 6th Street.
They're gonna start to do that.
But on a lot of these places where you see these giant-ass skyscrapers, they used to be like a little bitch-ass building.
And somebody bought it up and just built straight up.
And they're trying to do that a lot.
action bronson
That's what happens.
That's fucking...
joe rogan
Capitalism.
action bronson
Is that called Industrial Revolution?
joe rogan
No.
Capitalism.
You know, it's good if you want to live in an apartment building, but you just gotta recognize what it is and what's going on.
You know?
action bronson
Apartment buildings are good for certain things.
joe rogan
It's funny.
action bronson
That's all I've known my whole life.
Two bedroom.
joe rogan
Yeah?
action bronson
That's all I've known.
I'd like to know something better.
joe rogan
If you live in the city, you get accustomed to that.
action bronson
I only stay, like, if there's a table here in the room, I just sit in this one corner only.
Now, I wouldn't even go on that side of the fucking table.
joe rogan
Because you used to being confined?
action bronson
I'm a creature.
I'm a creature.
Just leave me in the corner as a creature.
That's it.
I don't need space.
I'm like a little baby veal.
joe rogan
You just like to huddle up in your den.
action bronson
I do, with my fucking pipe.
Huffing.
Watching MMA talk.
Constant, like Chael Sonnen talking crazy.
joe rogan
How do you think you would live if you lived in a place with a lot of land and quiet nights?
Do you think you'd be missing it?
action bronson
I would have to have some sort of live entertainment.
I love live entertainment.
joe rogan
Something near you you could go see?
action bronson
Either that or just something exciting at the house.
Like a band.
I would bring sick musicians to the home.
All these different jazz and funk Fusion bands and these old-school bands that I love, I would bring them all.
Have little mini concerts back there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's kind of what Dave Chappelle does in Yellow Springs, Ohio.
action bronson
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's always got musicians out there, comedians out there.
action bronson
He's living the way he needs to live.
That's what he wants.
joe rogan
Yeah, he started doing that during the pandemic, when everybody was locked down.
He was doing outside shows with masks on.
Remember those days?
action bronson
Oh, yeah, he was doing fucking hooky parties.
He was doing the old-school hooky party.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those were so crazy days.
You couldn't go outside without a mask on.
action bronson
I was wearing a gas mask to go to the fucking supermarket.
Can you believe that?
I had a fucking 3M gas mask with the two things here.
I looked at myself in the mirror.
I said, what am I doing?
And I just took that shit off.
I'm like, yo...
Everyone's gonna have to deal with me.
If you're outside and I'm outside, it's on you.
joe rogan
Well, in LA, people would yell at you.
They'd yell at you if you'd be outside with no mask on.
action bronson
There was nobody out in the streets of New York.
I had the whole city to myself.
joe rogan
There was a lot of days like that.
action bronson
Had the whole city to myself.
I would get from one place to another in lightning speed.
joe rogan
Do you remember there was this one kid who crashed, like, a million-dollar Porsche?
He crashed some, like, crazy...
I think it was, like, one of those Carrera GTs.
action bronson
That Paul Walker one?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was either that or the 918. Like, some crazy car.
And this dude was just using New York City like a racetrack, because there was no cars.
action bronson
I didn't know about that.
I was doing the same thing in a Jeep Grand Cherokee, though.
That's the problem.
joe rogan
This guy fucked up that car.
action bronson
That's a nice one.
joe rogan
That's a Carrera GT. There's not that many of them in the world.
And this is a gumballa.
action bronson
That looks total.
joe rogan
He has charges dismissed.
Oh, the charges are dismissed?
So this dude was just driving around like a fucking psychopath.
action bronson
Oof.
joe rogan
When there was no one on the streets.
action bronson
He's lucky he's alive in that one.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wiped that fucking car up.
action bronson
That's a fucking gorgeous vehicle.
joe rogan
I wonder if they totaled the car.
It looks like it's totaled.
action bronson
I'd buy that at the auction.
joe rogan
Somebody would.
If you have a Carrera GT like that, there's other people that have Carrera GTs that would want things from it.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Even if it is totaled, there's a lot of that stuff.
action bronson
Definitely salvage those parts.
joe rogan
If Porsche lets that happen, that's such an exclusive car.
Some of those companies like Ferrari and Porsche, they have rules on how you're allowed to sell things.
action bronson
Even if you crash it, they'll just take it back?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
I bet they would.
I bet some of them would.
action bronson
You can't get under that thing to get the catalytic converter.
joe rogan
No.
action bronson
There's no way.
joe rogan
That is the same car that Paul Walker died in.
action bronson
That is.
It's because that thing slides like a motherfucker, man.
If you hit one bump in the city and you're going at a specific speed, you're hydro gliding.
You're in the air spinning.
joe rogan
Well, what does it say?
The reason for dismissal is apparently a lack of proof.
Rodentrack cites a record from the court appearance as stating the people are moving to dismiss this matter because the case cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
action bronson
Where did this happen?
On the bridge or in the city or somewhere?
joe rogan
I think it was in the city.
Okay, so look at the top.
Go to the top.
action bronson
No one was around, man.
joe rogan
Very publicized incident occurred nearly a year ago on the then-empty streets of New York City.
A rare Gumballa Mirage GT was captured on video, crashing into several vehicles before finally coming to a stop.
Video even captured the driver behind the wheel, who's later identified as Benjamin Chen.
Now, charges against Chen for the incidents have apparently been dismissed.
So they're saying to dismiss it because the case cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Huh.
Okay.
Did any of those jurors buy new cars?
Like, look at him wiping out.
Oh my god.
Let me see that again.
unidentified
He's lucky.
joe rogan
Let me see that again.
action bronson
He's a lucky baby.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
He was full on out of control.
action bronson
He's lucky he hit the passenger side.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He fucked that car up.
And he's trying to get away.
So I guess, you know, people were encouraged by the fact that there was no one in the streets to let it out a little bit.
unidentified
I was.
action bronson
I was.
joe rogan
Jamie, that's not proof.
That's CGI. That him getting out of the car, also not proof.
action bronson
The city was a playground, bro.
joe rogan
Shut up, you fucking communist.
unidentified
The cops are talking to him.
I don't understand.
action bronson
The city was a motherfucking playground.
It'll never be like that again.
joe rogan
Stop being a communist, Jamie.
Fucking narc.
Look at him over there.
Narking on that kid.
action bronson
You wearing a wire?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's wearing a wire.
jamie vernon
This room's all mic'd up.
joe rogan
God damn it.
action bronson
Gonna throw water all over him.
joe rogan
Now you tell me?
How did we get under that?
People driving crazy down New York City?
jamie vernon
He had the city to himself.
action bronson
Yeah, I've just had the city to myself during the pandemic.
There was no one around.
There was literally nobody.
Nothing to be said.
joe rogan
Bro, LA had no traffic.
action bronson
There was no rules.
joe rogan
You could drive around in LA and there was no one on the road.
It was the weirdest fucking thing ever.
Ian Edwards has a joke about it.
Like, I want to find out how much time it really takes to get places.
action bronson
Because in LA, you never know.
Bro, I've been in the worst traffic over there.
It's actually, it gives me PTSD. I don't even want to drive anymore because I get very bad road rage these days.
joe rogan
It's bad for your head, man.
action bronson
I'm in the car, windows up, screaming.
joe rogan
So you just can't go anywhere?
action bronson
I'm freaking out.
I can't get myself together.
joe rogan
And what if you're low on gas, you know?
Or what if you're low on batteries?
action bronson
Or if you gotta take a shit.
Or if you got things to do.
Like, if you're caught up out there, I'll do crazy things to get out of traffic.
There's nothing I wouldn't do.
I'll ride on the side.
I'll go through the forest.
Whatever I need to do to get out of traffic, I've done.
joe rogan
You know, one of the things that's interesting is that Waze, which is really the best way to get around.
Like, if you want to, like, find out where the bullshit is, Waze is really good.
And people report, like, there's an accident here.
And everybody kind of communicates.
Very, very good.
But Waze was making people that were leaving New York and driving through Jersey, they were just going through all these neighborhoods.
Because they say, like, oh, the highway's gonna be jammed up.
But you can get around the highway by going this way.
So Waze starts navigating people through neighborhoods, and then the cops stop people from going through the neighborhoods.
Now, do you live here?
No, they can't drive through here.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Like, no, you have a problem.
The problem is Waze told me...
How to get through your neighborhood.
You got to take it up with Waze.
You can't tell me I can't drive on a regular street.
I could drive on a regular street just to look around.
action bronson
For sure.
joe rogan
Totally legal.
action bronson
Trying to check out the scenery.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is a nice house.
I want to drive by.
What are you saying?
action bronson
I used to go on nature rides with my mother all the time.
joe rogan
But when you're saying that Waze shouldn't have told people about this cool shortcut through your neighborhood so you didn't have to be on the highway, you're right.
But that's just reality.
action bronson
Everything's gonna get blown up.
joe rogan
It existed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Waze just exposed it to the rest of the world that take a left on Peabody and then you're a nice four-lane road with no one on it.
action bronson
It's like exposing the best pizza shop.
joe rogan
Sorry.
action bronson
It's the same shit, guy.
Pardon me.
joe rogan
Fucking asshole, now there's a line around the block.
I can't get a pie, you piece of shit.
No, no, no, no, no.
Things change.
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
Everyone needs to know about it, how good it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
That's it.
But for me, New York, I rarely drive with a Waze or any type of Google or anything.
I just know how to go.
I know the shortcuts of everywhere I need to go.
joe rogan
Yeah?
action bronson
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Just have it in your brain.
action bronson
Yeah.
If you see something's congested there, you go back around.
joe rogan
What if it's something you don't know, like something's going on?
action bronson
Then I'm fucked.
Then I'm fucked.
If I'm anticipated, I know that Van Wick's always fucked.
So I'll go all through South Ozone Park.
I'll get there before everybody.
joe rogan
You just get used to hustling, moving quick through intersections, trying to change lanes.
action bronson
I cannot drive straight.
I could drive all day long doing that, stopping at lights, finding ways to get out of things, all day.
Straight, 45 minutes, I'm fucking knocked out.
Bad.
joe rogan
Do you fall asleep at the wheel?
action bronson
No, no, but I will.
I know that, that's why I don't do it.
joe rogan
You get that, like, naughty, sleepy...
action bronson
It's because I'm bored.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
I need movement.
Yeah, I need movement.
joe rogan
You're addicted to New York.
action bronson
I really am.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
It's fucking sick.
Sick.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're addicted to, like, a video game.
action bronson
I... Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
action bronson
Fucking yes.
There's a fucking video game over there, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
It's constant maneuvering and moving and...
Mm-hmm.
I just feel alive.
joe rogan
And constant people.
action bronson
Yeah, I feel alive.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have a bunch of friends who won't leave.
action bronson
I'd like to.
joe rogan
I love the vibration of the city, all the people.
action bronson
I do, but I also hate it.
I have a love-hate relationship with lots of things, as we all do.
You can't just love Austin.
There's nothing that you don't like about it.
I'm sure there's some shit you don't like.
But right now, growing up in the city, there's just nothing like it, man.
There's nothing like New York City.
I've been all over the fucking place, and I can't wait to get home.
I cannot wait.
As soon as I touch down JFK, I start clapping like Dominican Republic plane just landed in DR. I'm like, yeah, motherfucker, I'm home.
joe rogan
Nice.
Well, it looks like you.
You know what I'm saying?
You belong there.
That makes sense.
action bronson
Yeah, I'm a city boy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just like that suits your personality.
It's fun.
And as someone who enjoys music and food, I mean, what a great place.
How do you go wrong there?
You got both things there in abundance.
action bronson
Non-stop.
It's never-ending.
It's also very tiring.
You saw today how we got demolished with that Egyptian barbecue.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got hurt.
action bronson
Right?
And imagine that was just me there sitting and being expected to eat all that as usual.
joe rogan
While he was stacking it on the tray, I'm like, surely there's other people eating with us.
action bronson
I was hoping some of the guys would have something.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then the sides, like there's so many sides.
action bronson
I was like, damn, you're not eating any of that stuff because you don't eat carb.
I'm like, bro, don't even put the carbs there.
Just meat.
Just carne.
joe rogan
So much good food.
Very interesting though.
I love when people do something like that.
Like a dude is just chilling in Egypt.
And he says, you know what?
I'm going to move to Austin, Texas and just make barbecue.
That's what I want to do with my life.
action bronson
People get enchanted, man.
joe rogan
They do.
action bronson
They get enchanted.
joe rogan
They get pulled, but I love when people go for shit.
I love when someone gets enchanted and says, fuck it, let's do it.
Let's just jump on.
Let's see what happens.
action bronson
That's how magic happens.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is.
That's how fun life experiences happen.
Sometimes you gotta take a chance.
action bronson
You gotta show up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta do something different.
Just take a chance.
action bronson
Yeah, maybe I gotta leave New York.
unidentified
Florida.
action bronson
What do you think about Florida?
jamie vernon
We got a correction.
joe rogan
No, a remote Amazon tribe did not get addiction to porn.
action bronson
Oh, man.
Porn addiction is real.
Can I tell you what I use porn for?
unidentified
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
They are definitely watching porn and the guy was complaining about porn.
action bronson
Let me tell you what I use porn for.
jamie vernon
The story got taken out of context.
action bronson
When I'm in the studio alone doing push-ups...
joe rogan
We have to clarify this.
I have to find out what...
We'll get to your studio and doing push-ups, but this is something that we actually talked about, so I want to find out what we were wrong about.
jamie vernon
A guy wrote a story about his trip there, and someone took a quote.
He got from one of the people there that said that some of the boys were sharing pornography in WhatsApp, and then that took off to say that they're all addicted to porn, and got republished on tons of websites.
And apparently that was not accurate.
joe rogan
Interesting.
But they do have access to the internet, and they are scrolling in their phones constantly.
And they are boys.
jamie vernon
The people are not addicted to pornography.
There is no hint of this in the forest.
There's no suggestion of it in the New York Times article.
joe rogan
Right.
Here's the thing though, like what does that mean?
action bronson
They don't see anyone fucking whacking off in the forest?
joe rogan
Yeah, but what does that mean?
When you say addicted to pornography, like first of all, if you're exposed to pornography and you use pornography, like at what point in time does someone get to decide that you're addicted?
So let's just take out that word.
Let's take out the word addicted, because addicted is a weird word.
Let's just say, do they use pornography?
Are they using pornography?
Is pornography now part of their culture?
I would have to say, 100%.
If you have an internet connection and you're a young boy and you find out there's videos out there of people fucking, you're gonna look at them.
action bronson
X-videos.
joe rogan
Every kid is gonna look at them.
You have a phone that gets online, they're gonna look at them.
So, to say that they're not addicted to pornography, okay.
Okay, by my definition, sure.
But also, they're using pornography for the first time ever.
They used to live in the jungle with no internet, and all of a sudden now they have porn.
And to pretend that that might not have some sort of an impact on them that's not positive, that seems a little crazy.
action bronson
Like, what do they fucking think is gonna happen?
joe rogan
Well, maybe defining it as addicted to porn is the problem.
You know, instead of saying that, maybe they should have said, kids are looking at porn for the first time ever, which is really just as stunning.
action bronson
Yeah, it's sensational.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
It's a sensational headline.
jamie vernon
This is what it was driven out of.
joe rogan
The article mentioned a complaint from one Marubo leader that some Marubo minors had shared pornography in WhatsApp group chats.
This is especially concerning, he said, because Marubo culture frowns upon even kissing in public.
Well, I would imagine that that would fuck with his head.
If they have a culture that has, like, rigid social values, and then all of a sudden this thing online is allowing kids to see people fuck when before they couldn't even see people kiss in public.
And all of a sudden something's coming along and it's disrupting your culture.
I get it.
But do you want the fucking email or not, bitch?
action bronson
Exactly.
joe rogan
Like, what do you want?
How are you going to get your email?
unidentified
You don't know.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
Don't you want YouTube?
action bronson
I want it all.
joe rogan
Or do you not want YouTube?
action bronson
I want everything.
joe rogan
Right.
So you're going to have to get, you know, tell your kids that people fuck.
All right?
Sorry.
action bronson
And then there's videos about it and all kinds of fucking Amazonian shit.
joe rogan
Imagine, like, how hard ass is their culture?
You can't even kiss in public.
Do that shit somewhere else.
action bronson
Can't even hug or touch or fucking look at each other.
The first porn video that we all had around 8 years old, it was called Brazilian Butt.
It was like a hard plastic case and my boy Phil Annunziato had it at his house.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Imagine being a person that experiences that though.
Imagine being a person that has lived in an indigenous tribe in the Amazon jungle forever.
Your family, your family's family, everybody came from this area, you all know the ways of living there, and then out of nowhere, Elon drops in with his fucking Starlink, and then you're looking at...
Titties on WhatsApp.
Be like, what the fuck is this?
Like, what a mind-changing experience that must be for a young kid.
action bronson
Titties, you know what?
Titties seems more normal because we're used to seeing tits.
We all had them in our mouths.
But hardcore gang bangs and fucking deep penetration?
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
That could be shocking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Like I was saying before, the way I'm addicted to porn is I like to use it to work out.
It's like pre-workout.
joe rogan
You watch a little porn?
action bronson
You put some cock-sucking videos on and you do push-ups.
You're getting that feeling before, like you're gonna fucking do something, but you're not doing anything.
So it gives you all the benefits.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
action bronson
It's like edging.
joe rogan
Right, you get a little testosterone boost.
action bronson
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, nice.
Yeah.
action bronson
Well, I'm just, well, I'm alone.
Not when I got the fellas over fucking working out.
joe rogan
Guys, I got a new method.
Everybody's stroking till it's half hard.
action bronson
No, but it really works.
joe rogan
Well, they're going to have AI porn in the future, and porn stars are going to be out of business.
action bronson
I saw they just made an AI porn of that, uh, The Stallion.
Megan Thee Stallion.
Oh, did they do like a deepfake?
joe rogan
They made a deepfake of her?
Yeah, they're going to be able to do that.
action bronson
There are a lot of those, the Taylor Swift deepfake during the Super Bowl stuff.
Those were interesting.
joe rogan
There's going to be a lot of those coming.
The technology is just going to be too powerful.
I wonder how much your iPhone is going to be able to do that.
Because if Apple is doing it with OpenAI, you're going to do some wild shit with OpenAI now.
I've heard that you're going to be able to say, like, make a birthday cake.
Excuse me.
With Jamie jumping out of it, and they'll be able to do that.
jamie vernon
It's not even clear yet.
You have to pay to use ChatGPT 4.0.
Do you still have to pay once it's on out, like in the Apple operating system?
joe rogan
Right.
Will it be the subscription that you pay for through Apple?
jamie vernon
Or you get five uses a month.
There's been no clarification on that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
You have to pay for all of them, honestly, right now.
None of them are free.
You can use, technically, like, little free uses, like, you're just sort of dabbling in it, but to do anything cool, and even the coolest shit, you can't, no one really has access to all the cool video ones.
No one can fuck with that stuff.
action bronson
How are they putting the ones up of the dudes, like, at the NFL, I mean, the NBA press conference, like, Anthony Edwards, when he was facing the Mavericks, talking mad shit about Luka Doncic.
joe rogan
It's fake?
action bronson
Yeah, I mean he's talking crazy.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they'd have fake press conference.
action bronson
He's talking fucking absolute crazy.
jamie vernon
My dad even sent me one.
He thought it was real.
action bronson
I thought it was real at first.
jamie vernon
He's not talking shit like that.
joe rogan
Right, but here's the thing.
How close is it to where you can't ever be able to tell?
That's going to get weird.
action bronson
The way that he was speaking, there was some weirdness to the pattern, but a person could be fooled for sure if it wasn't that crazy talk.
If it was something normal that was just false, 100% believable.
joe rogan
I think they're real close to making...
I think you're going to be able to change inflections and have it perfect.
Because what they're doing now is so much better than what they were doing just a couple of years ago.
Like the deepfakes from a couple of years ago look hilarious.
Like Kyle Duncan, you ever see his stuff?
action bronson
No.
joe rogan
Kyle Dunn again does these deep fakes where he does like Caitlyn Jenner and Donald Trump and it looks terrible.
But that's part of the funny is that he's got these fucking squiggly things over his face.
It looks like shit.
It's like cartoonish.
It's almost like watching South Park.
action bronson
I love that.
joe rogan
Like South Park's funnier because it doesn't even look remotely realistic.
action bronson
Like the face.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Face doesn't move but the body moves.
joe rogan
Yeah, well his face swaps are hilarious.
Pull up one of them, just so you can see it.
It looks so fake that it comforts you.
It doesn't creep you out.
It doesn't look exactly like Caitlyn Jenner.
action bronson
I did a weird deep fake video for a song called Latin Grammys where I superimposed my face on Magnus Ver Magnussen's face.
And it was like the 94 strong, man.
I was just...
joe rogan
Oh, what the fuck?
action bronson
Oh, yeah, that's crazy.
unidentified
Hey, guess what?
action bronson
Caitlin Spreggers 2!
unidentified
Yeah, baby!
We...
What?
action bronson
I remember this was a couple years ago, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
I remember when this came out.
unidentified
I can't breathe.
Babies can breathe in the womb.
That's right.
Babies can breathe in the womb.
That's right.
Do you have a womb?
Oh, shit.
I mean, I guess it's dead.
I better go plop this thing out before I get septic shock.
Oh my god, Todd.
Yeah.
Your lip gloss is on fleek.
action bronson
It's Kylie's.
unidentified
Shut up.
Yeah, isn't that nice?
That's amazing.
joe rogan
See, it's funny because it's so fake looking.
action bronson
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
That's nice.
That's a nice face swap.
action bronson
I love shit like that.
I love a good slapstick comedy like Leslie Nielsen and fucking Nordberg.
You know what I mean?
They don't make things like that anymore.
joe rogan
Like the old Naked Gun with O.J. Simpson.
unidentified
Yeah, come on.
action bronson
It was so good.
joe rogan
O.J. Simpson was in a comedy.
action bronson
Oh my God.
He was fucking phenomenal in that movie.
He got killed in every kind of way that you can.
I don't remember it.
Nordberg, bro.
He gets shot by the Sheik.
Then his foot goes on fire.
Then he hits his head on something.
It's like...
Non-stop comedy.
joe rogan
Leslie Nielsen was one of those dudes that just could do no wrong.
action bronson
What a man.
One of my favorites.
joe rogan
Funny fucking movies.
What?
Was he in one of those Stephen King...
You know, what are those Stephen King's...
You know you had that one compilation, like a comic book?
Was it Tales from the Crypt?
action bronson
Tales from the Hood.
joe rogan
No, that was a copy of that.
That was like a scary...
action bronson
Tales from the Hood was crazy.
joe rogan
I think it's Tales from the Crypt, right?
Was Leslie Nielsen in that?
jamie vernon
He was in an Alfred Hitchcock thing, but that's a long time ago.
action bronson
I remember seeing Tales from the Crypt in the movie theater.
joe rogan
Dude.
action bronson
HBO shit.
joe rogan
I think he was in it.
Wasn't he in Tales from the Crypt?
action bronson
He was in Dracula.
Like a weird version of Dracula.
joe rogan
No way.
He was Dracula?
jamie vernon
He was.
joe rogan
Creepshow.
That's what it is.
Not Tales from the Crypt.
Creepshow.
Creepshow was a Stephen King adaptation.
And he was in it.
It was like a bunch of cool stories.
One of them was a guy had like a monster under his stairs.
This dude opened the stair and the monster ate him.
It's like, what?
What am I watching here?
They were fun.
action bronson
I love those old school scary movies.
jamie vernon
Him and Ted Danson.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he buried Ted Danson up to his...
I think he drugged him and then buried him up to his head and left him there in the sand.
And the tide was gonna come and wash him away.
action bronson
This was a serious movie?
joe rogan
No, it was a horror movie.
action bronson
But not funny?
joe rogan
No, no, not funny.
I mean, kind of funny.
But he wasn't being a funny guy in that movie.
He was being an asshole.
He was killing some dude.
And then the dude, spoiler alert, comes get some.
action bronson
He digs himself out?
Ted Danson?
joe rogan
Something happened.
They're not specific.
action bronson
Ted Danson's an underrated actor also.
joe rogan
Pretty good movie.
I love a good, stupid, scary movie.
Just kind of dumb, but scary.
Fun.
jamie vernon
Like the comedies that he did.
joe rogan
Oh, Naked Gun, Airplane.
Airplane's the classic.
action bronson
Of course, Spy Hard, Dracula.
There it is.
joe rogan
Dead and loving it.
action bronson
That's a fun...
But all those Mel Brooks movies, History of the World, all that shit.
Oh, man, I grew up on that good old Jewish comedy.
joe rogan
Slapstick-y.
action bronson
Yeah, slapstick.
My grandfather loved all that shit.
Jackie Gleason and the Catskills.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
It's interesting when you watch, like comedy movies now are scarce.
There's just not a whole lot of them.
action bronson
They're not that funny.
There's nobody that's doing a comedy movie that makes me laugh.
joe rogan
Well, in order to make a really good comedy movie, you're going to have to be insensitive.
action bronson
For sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
And people are just not willing to do that right now.
And so it's a sign of a sickness of our culture, I think.
I really do.
It's a sign of our adaptation in a wrong way, in a negative way to social media.
We're like inhibiting people from creating things that we all loved.
action bronson
It's that bullshit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
It's a bullshit world where everyone feels like they're so sensitive they can't be made fun of.
Growing up in my neighborhood you needed thick skin.
You know, everyone got made fun of, whether you were a hot dude, hot girl, fuckin' jacked, skinny, fat, this, whatever.
Everyone caught it.
joe rogan
It's also how people find out if you take yourself too seriously.
action bronson
Of course.
joe rogan
The best way to find out if someone takes themselves seriously is to make jokes about them.
In front of them.
In front of them.
Fuck with them.
And see if they laugh.
And if they laugh, then you're gonna have a good time.
But if they get super uptight, are you gonna be super sensitive about everything?
Come on, man.
action bronson
Like, when you even have to tell somebody that, you should just fucking not hang out with that person.
Just get the fuck out of here, man.
joe rogan
I can't do you.
action bronson
It's enough.
joe rogan
Maybe talk in a few years, see if you've evolved.
action bronson
Tell them to fucking take some drugs.
Yeah, open it up.
joe rogan
What would you recommend?
Something like that.
action bronson
The thing that people seem the most open to is hitting the DMT pen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
You know?
joe rogan
Because it seems like they're vaping.
action bronson
Exactly.
The pen makes everything better.
You can fucking put anything in the pen and they'll hit it.
unidentified
It's official.
joe rogan
It's in the pen.
action bronson
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's not like some freebase.
It's a glass dick.
action bronson
It's freebase and not as a motherfucker.
It's electric freebase.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Which is pretty next level.
But I think that...
That's an entry-level DMT pen, hit it once or twice, feel a little buzz, you know?
joe rogan
Dip your toes in.
action bronson
Dip your toe.
But if you're gonna go, you gotta go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
You gotta go.
joe rogan
Gotta go, go.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
That should be legal.
They should be able to do that at clinically approved places where people who know how to take care of people are there, pay money to do it, helps the economy, everybody gets tax money.
Yay!
Stop turning people into babies.
Stop allowing grown adults to tell you and stop being a grown adult that wants to tell another grown adult how to do something that's definitely not going to kill them.
It's probably safer than 99% of the things they're gonna do.
In terms of like alcohol, cigarettes, opiates.
It's probably safer than all those things.
action bronson
It is.
And if you tell me not to do something, I'm definitely gonna do it.
joe rogan
It doesn't make sense.
You shouldn't be allowed to tell somebody that they can't...
It doesn't affect other people.
It's like, you shouldn't be allowed to tell people they can't do that.
That doesn't make any sense.
action bronson
But I think the Deems needs to stay the Deems.
You know, like, anytime I've gotten the Deemster...
It's been given to me.
It's been passed along from a beautiful hand, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
Somebody wants you to experience it.
action bronson
From a caring hand.
It's never been like money.
It's not anything like that.
This is for experience purposes.
Here.
joe rogan
Have this.
That is true.
That is true.
That is not something that people are profiting from.
action bronson
No, you don't sell that shit.
It has to be given as medicine to you.
joe rogan
That's true.
I think you've even heard of somebody buying it.
Which is really odd, right?
That's something that's like, that's crazy.
I mean, when you think about this, I mean, I'm sure there's a market for it.
I guarantee.
There's probably some unscrupulous people that are selling it.
They probably don't even take it.
There's probably a market for it.
action bronson
It's probably not the good stuff.
You know, there's good stuff and then there's shit.
There's ways of extraction.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of people I know of that have gotten it for free.
I think that we just need to understand that the people that are saying these negative things about these Substances haven't experienced them.
It's just I Understand why they would think what they think but they are saying that Based on a position of not having experienced it and that just doesn't make any sense It doesn't make it makes sense to them Because they think that they have the world defined and that everything is logical and everything has a place and everything makes sense Once they do that that idea goes away that idea goes away But until they do that they live in this infantile
state of confidence and In the nature of reality.
Once you have that experience, then all of a sudden you go, okay, no one knows what the fuck is going on.
This is all crazy and we're like all hyper-connected and life changes forever instantaneously all the time based on how you interface with it.
And it's like this moving, breathing thing.
It's not static.
And we're all connected in some way that we don't have the senses to detect.
And you don't get it until you flood your brain with a naturally occurring neurochemical.
This neurotransmitter.
What's the technical term for what DMT is?
Whatever it is.
That psychedelic compound that you have that your own brain makes.
And when you get it, Then, and you get it while you're sleeping, you get it in your dreams, which is even nuttier.
That's the root of our dreams probably.
That's the number one theory.
Why we have these vivid, insane, like these things that seem like they're real.
action bronson
When you close your eyes, when you close your eyes and you think of some shit, you could definitely drift into a place if you've had that experience before.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine if every time you sleep, your consciousness actually does go somewhere else.
What if you have a whole nother life that operates in a different sort of time realm?
Like whatever eight hours is to you while you're sleeping, it's different.
But it's your consciousness.
Your consciousness leaves your body, leaves the dimension, and in eight hours of our time, returns.
action bronson
I mean, I've had those experiences where, man, I was forced to wake up like someone's chasing after me in another realm, and they got me around the neck, and you wake up.
joe rogan
Bro, I had a dream the other night of a dude chasing people down the street with a battle axe, like an old-school medieval battle axe.
Some dude, we could see him.
We were looking from the top window, and this guy was running down the street in front of us with a battle axe.
I'm like, I watch too much Instagram.
LAUGHTER Because, yo, that's something you could totally see on Instagram.
action bronson
100%.
Every time I fucking wake up, I open it.
joe rogan
Did you see the dude with the machete fight?
action bronson
Like, we cut his hand off?
joe rogan
Cut the dude's hand off, and the dude picked his hand up off the ground and carried away?
action bronson
He kept going.
He kept fighting.
joe rogan
Kept fighting with a hand chopped off.
He got his hand chopped off in a machete fight.
action bronson
Bro, machete fights are true.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
action bronson
If you're pulling the machete out, why you got your hand like that?
joe rogan
He's trying to keep his face from getting chopped off.
action bronson
Yeah, but you're going to block the machete like that?
joe rogan
He's doing anything to keep his head from getting chopped off.
I mean, if it hits his neck, he's dead.
And it's right there.
It's an instinct.
You're just going to put your hand up there.
action bronson
Use the other machete.
joe rogan
Right.
If you can, you're correct.
But sometimes when people are slishing and slashing, you know, you got to be real careful where you place that thing.
action bronson
I've done some of those weird knife fighting where you get stabbed in fucking 500 different ways coming down.
I'm like, man, I'll never fucking be able to block any of this shit.
You're cutting your fucking death by a little fucking million paper cuts.
joe rogan
If somebody knows how to do it, you're in real trouble.
action bronson
It's such a beautiful thing, too.
To know?
I want to know that.
We're not just, you know.
joe rogan
Slice and dice?
action bronson
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, get in there.
action bronson
The knife like this.
It looks cool.
Like fucking Steven Seagal?
joe rogan
The only weapons I learned with the useless ones like nunchucks.
I got good at that.
action bronson
I love nunchucks, man.
I'll bring them backstage before the show and just fucking can get them going.
joe rogan
They're still fun.
action bronson
I love, I mean, I used to carry nunchucks on me back in the day in my shorts.
I was 10 years old, I had the nunchucks outside.
joe rogan
Yeah, we all did.
A lot of kids had nunchucks back then.
action bronson
Ninja Stars.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
action bronson
Bro, 42nd Street in Times Square, there was a karate store.
Straight up karate store.
They sold bows, fucking nunchucks, all kinds of shit.
joe rogan
Throwing stars.
action bronson
Yes, man.
joe rogan
Shurikens, right?
action bronson
Is that what Shuriken is?
From Street Fighter?
Shuriken.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's what he's saying.
It might be a different word, but Shuriken is the name of a throwing star.
unidentified
Yeah, fucking nice.
joe rogan
Or it's maybe a type of throwing star.
Maybe there's more than one.
action bronson
So the dudes that made me those hammers, those medieval hammers I swing, they sent me two...
Batman stars, like the new symbol of Batman.
It's like crazy insignia.
joe rogan
And you can throw them?
action bronson
I'm fucking throwing them at every cardboard box I have in the studio.
Oh my god.
It's sick.
I fucking broke things already.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, we always had throwing stars.
We'd throw them at trees.
We thought you were cool.
We'd stick to the tree.
action bronson
So much fucking fun, man.
Doing shit like that is fun.
joe rogan
But it's crazy.
You could just buy those.
You could basically buy a throwing knife.
And one that's easy to throw.
You know, you can buy them anywhere.
Throwing stars are easy to throw.
If you're good at a frisbee, you'd be very good at that fucking throwing knife.
action bronson
Or you could go to fucking Home Depot and get a saw blade replacement.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You could fuck somebody up with a saw blade.
action bronson
With the replacement, though.
joe rogan
I saw a video where a saw blade broke off and slammed into this house right next to where this dude was standing.
action bronson
Like the concrete saw blades?
joe rogan
Something broke off and it went skittering across the street and slammed into the house right next to where this dude was standing just a second ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've seen it?
You've seen it?
action bronson
I can't look at Twitter.
I can't watch this shit, man.
joe rogan
So the guy goes inside the building and then look at this blade.
action bronson
Oh no.
jamie vernon
It's stuck in the door.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Look how crazy this is.
action bronson
As he walks in?
joe rogan
Yeah, look.
action bronson
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I mean, that is fucking bonkers, man.
That thing is stuck into the wall.
action bronson
Wow, that would have fucking took his legs off.
joe rogan
100%.
Look how deep it went into the wall.
That had some serious force behind it, man.
action bronson
Where the fuck did that come from?
joe rogan
Good question.
Demons.
action bronson
That's the only answer is demons.
joe rogan
If demons are just causing little car accidents every now and then, just tripping your car.
action bronson
Angels in the outfield.
Remember when fucking Danny Glover, they were helping him fucking catch the ball?
California Angels?
joe rogan
Imagine.
Imagine Angels.
They don't have any time for the homeless.
They're out there fixing baseball games.
action bronson
It's like fucking Pete Rose.
unidentified
How dumb is that to think that the Angels are going to help you with a baseball game?
action bronson
They don't make movies like that anymore.
It's a good fucking movie.
joe rogan
I've been talking to a lot of people over the last few months, which is maybe not a good sign for the direction my life's going, but I've been talking to a lot of people over the last few months that think that aliens are angels.
Angels and devils.
When you're hearing about all those stories in the Bible about fallen angels and devils, these people think that they were referring to aliens.
action bronson
That fell from the sky?
joe rogan
No, it's just the term, the way they're phrasing it is like fallen angel, meaning like Satan, and that there's good angels and bad angels, there's demons and angels.
What these people believe, and I don't necessarily agree with it, nor do I even understand it enough that I can argue against it, but they believe that all these stories are really referencing a spiritual force that's always here all the time, and sometimes exists in the physical form.
And it might be Existing as these things that we keep looking for like aliens and UFOs and it might be doing that Maybe even to comfort us or maybe to be more plausible or maybe to hide the true nature of what they are So it will present as if it's from another planet But really what it is is some sort of interdimensional spiritual being That may
or may not be evil.
It might be good, it might be evil, and there might be a bunch of different kinds out there in the world.
But that these stories from like the ancient Hindu texts, and you know, Billy Carson talks a lot about that, and a bunch of other people talk about these different stories from these ancient texts that have people either interacting with sky people or someone coming from the sky and interacting with them.
And they think that these, a lot of these things might be talking about the same thing.
And that these aliens that people are encountering, there's some sort of an interdimensional being that has essentially always been here.
action bronson
I'll tell you who it is.
unidentified
Who?
action bronson
It's fucking John Travolta from that movie.
You ever seen that movie Where He's the Angel?
Battlefielder!
Whatever, he's a fucking angel.
Nah, he has crazy hair.
unidentified
No, he's an alien.
joe rogan
Dreadlocks.
action bronson
No, this is a different John Travolta movie.
unidentified
Michael.
action bronson
Michael.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
action bronson
When he's named Michael.
unidentified
Hold on, put that back up.
jamie vernon
Alright, one thing at a time.
unidentified
Sorry.
action bronson
Bro, the hair?
It's nuts.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Aliens might be living among us disguised as humans or in a base inside the moon according to a new Harvard study.
Yo!
Harvard studies is saying there might be a base inside the moon.
How wild are things right now?
action bronson
Oh my god.
joe rogan
This is so crazy.
action bronson
But none of this is, it's not really that like, shocking.
joe rogan
Right.
It's not that shocking.
action bronson
Once you have, once you have knowledge of the other realm, nothing's impossible.
joe rogan
No.
action bronson
Nothing in this life is impossible or fucking shocking anymore.
joe rogan
Well, it's still shocking, it's exciting, but like, space is insane.
This is way less insane than what we know about space.
action bronson
Space and water.
joe rogan
The deep.
action bronson
The deep sea is something that's fucking as crazy as this to me.
joe rogan
As crazy and undiscovered.
action bronson
It's fucking nuts.
There is an end.
It stops.
But does it really?
joe rogan
I think it does.
But the thing is, they don't know what the fuck is down there.
They're always finding a bunch of new cool fish.
action bronson
That Mariana Trench?
joe rogan
Let me see what it says.
The researchers have investigated so-called crypto-terrestrials.
These could be disguising themselves as humans to fit in, may come from Earth's future, or might have descended from intelligent dinosaurs.
This guy's from Harvard.
This guy got all the mushrooms.
They're probably doing a Harvard mushroom study, and this dude just stole the stock.
jamie vernon
Honestly, the study was just to come up with an answer.
Like, give us some fucking answer.
joe rogan
The study was created to offer an alternative, unconventional explanation for UAP sightings and to hypothesize what they might mean and the possibility that UAP may involve forms of non-human intelligence that are already present in Earth's environment in some sense.
That exists alongside us in distinct stealth.
See, that could be if it's here, but in a base.
But I think that our idea about like a base on the moon or a base on Mars, we're basing this, basing, no pun intended, this on the idea that you have to go there to get there.
If these things can travel from other dimensions, they probably don't need a base.
They probably don't have a base.
action bronson
They don't need a fucking base.
What do you need a base for?
joe rogan
If they are some sort of a spiritual being that's coming here from another dimension, and they're not necessarily coming here from another planet, they probably don't need your stupid base.
And if they're coming here from another planet, and they just instantly have arrived, like...
Why we think they need a base?
Do they need a base to do that?
Like, who wants to have a base on the moon?
Fuck that.
Fuck your moon.
If I can go from Orion or whatever star system they're from and Alpha Centauri or wherever the fuck they're from, I can go there to Earth instantaneously.
Why do I want to stay in the moon?
action bronson
It's boring on the moon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
There's nothing there.
joe rogan
Right.
If I'm gonna go to Vegas, am I gonna stop in Barstow and get a hotel room?
action bronson
Or in Reno?
joe rogan
Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
action bronson
You're not going to Reno.
joe rogan
I'm going straight through.
Shut your mouth.
action bronson
You're not a Reno kind of guy.
joe rogan
You're not a moon-based guy.
action bronson
Fuck that bullshit.
The moon is Reno.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm going to Montana and I'm gonna mutilate some cattle.
action bronson
I'd like to.
joe rogan
Those are the weird ones.
Cattle mutilations, you ever see those?
action bronson
What do you mean mutilate them?
joe rogan
Do you know what I mean?
Alien abductions and alien sightings, a lot of times in the areas where these happen, one other thing that happens in the phenomenon is cow mutilations.
action bronson
Like maiming?
joe rogan
So these cows that have been like surgically operated, it looks like they're surgically operated on, and they're drained of their blood.
Like really weird stuff, where some of the organs have been removed, it looks like with surgical precision.
action bronson
Which ones?
joe rogan
I don't know, because- The liver?
It's not happened just once, it's happened multiple times, so I think it's a bunch of different ways things have happened.
action bronson
Wow, that fucking shit looks like it's been sucked out of it.
joe rogan
Look at this, not one drop of blood, cattle mysteriously mutilated in Oregon.
It's not just one instance of this happening.
unidentified
This has happened- It's the fucking chupacabra.
action bronson
That's the fucking chupacabra right there.
joe rogan
You know what a chupacabra is, right?
You know what it really is?
action bronson
What is it?
joe rogan
It's a coyote with mange.
action bronson
Oh, is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, probably.
Or a bobcat with mange.
action bronson
What the fuck is mange?
joe rogan
Mange is a disease that makes animals lose their fur.
Ah, so he's like...
Alopecia.
Yeah, yeah.
With this horrible, like, cracked, fucked up skin.
Because their skin is not used to being in the sun.
action bronson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Supposedly protected by all that fur.
Skin's all dried and cracked up.
I had a friend who had a chicken coop.
And their chicken croup got attacked by a bobcat.
They got like a security photo of it.
And this thing looked like a demon.
action bronson
It was fucked up, huh?
joe rogan
It was a bobcat with mange.
And it's like half of its fur was missing.
It was like so hungry, it's breaking into the chicken coop.
It looks so creepy.
That's what it is 1970s cow mutilation mystery when ranchers began recording incidents of mutilated cattle the ensuing panic fed both conspiracy theories and a growing cynicism about the government Yeah, but it's not just the 70s I mean, these things have happened in the 2000s.
action bronson
But it looked like it was literally floppy.
There was nothing inside of that fucking carcass.
Just skin.
joe rogan
The thing is, that's not unique.
There's been a bunch of them that they've found that are weird like that, where they have surgically precise cuts in them, and they're missing stuff.
action bronson
Are they sewn back up or left?
joe rogan
Look at this.
The army had accidentally killed more than 4,500 sheep in 1968 while testing nerve agents in Utah.
Then refused to acknowledge its responsibility until 1998. Those fucking cunts, they gave it a secret for 30 years!
30 years later, like, oh yeah, you remember those sheep?
Yeah, we killed them.
Sorry.
Tested nerve gas.
action bronson
I was driving a maroon Jetta in 98. Most likely what, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Coyotes, magpies, badgers.
joe rogan
Yeah, not buying it.
I've seen these people, but I know how these people think, too.
There's a bunch of people that call themselves debunkers, but really what they are is true believers in one view.
And this true belief is that it has to be a coyote, because aliens aren't real.
But it might not even be an alien.
It might be some sort of government agency that's involved in some sort of an experimental weapon.
I don't know what they're doing.
No one's saying it's necessarily alien.
Whatever is happening to the cows though is very weird if you're getting all their blood removed from their body and surgical cuts and then their tissue isn't eaten by animals.
It's not like if they were chewed up and something looked real precise, but the rest of it looked all fucked up.
No.
These animals are drained of their blood with no blood on the ground, and it doesn't make any sense.
Forget about the alien thing.
Let's pretend that's not even a real thing, that no one believes in aliens.
So tell me what the fuck happened to that cow, because that doesn't make sense that that's happening from a coyote.
It doesn't look like it.
It doesn't seem like it.
action bronson
No animal did that.
joe rogan
Doesn't look like an animal did it.
action bronson
Are there any animals that kill with precision besides a tiger and shit like that with the bites?
But no one opens you up.
joe rogan
No.
One animal does.
Human.
action bronson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so I would imagine if you looked at something like that and said, who could be doing something like that?
Well, we could do it.
It's not like building a pyramid.
We could kill a cow and do that if we wanted to.
You have enough people, have enough equipment.
Why?
So why would someone do that?
Like, what are they doing?
If I wanted to practice on some fucking weapon that I could just send out and say, go get me a person's liver, and this thing hunts you down and tackles you and hangs on to you and cuts you open and snatches out your liver and then sucks all your blood into a vacuum tube, seals it up, and then drops you and crumples, that's what that cow looks like.
Like, I would imagine, before I would think aliens are killing cows for no reason, I would imagine that it's probably some wacky human weapon.
That they could do some wild shit, and how do you test it?
On mammals.
Well, go get a cow.
They're all wandering around.
They get killed by coyotes.
Blame it on wolverines.
action bronson
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
Blame it on everything else.
Like, just go unleash this weapon.
action bronson
Those fucking flying pods Terence Howard was talking about.
joe rogan
Damn.
Imagine one of those with, like, razor blades everywhere.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, just fucking tearing you the fuck up, and then the arm comes in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
And then he fucking closes you up, sutures.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
unidentified
Look, they try to come up with so many weapons.
joe rogan
You don't think they would have a weapon that would disembowel you and draw your blood out?
Of course they would.
They were trying to come up with a gay bomb.
action bronson
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yes.
The government had spent millions of dollars trying to develop a gay bomb.
I don't know about millions of dollars.
We might have to double check that.
But what the gay bomb would do is they would drop it over a city and turn everyone gay.
And guys would just start banging each other and they'd just get demoralized.
They didn't want to fight anymore.
action bronson
That's some crazy warfare.
That's not fair.
joe rogan
How sick do you have to be to be working for the United States government?
So you're working for the people.
You're supposed to be a patriot.
And you're sitting there thinking, how do we get these people in a humane way?
We don't want to kill the entire population, but how do we stop them from fighting?
Make them a bunch of queers!
action bronson
Did you ever see that Sacha Baron Cohen shit?
joe rogan
Which one?
action bronson
About America, where he's Iran-Marad, the fucking Israeli fucking special forces, and he's holding up the pork at the Muslim terrorists and fucking going backwards with his ass.
Yo, some of the craziest shit you'll ever see in your life, these are tactics that are...
Can you please look that up?
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
In 2008, the US military confirmed that an Ohio Air Force laboratory requested $7.5 million to develop a non-lethal gay bomb.
The weapon would release hormones through the skin or lungs to make enemy soldiers sexually attracted To each other distracting them from fighting.
action bronson
Come on.
joe rogan
The project was also known as the Make Love Not War initiative.
action bronson
Who in the fuck, who set this up?
joe rogan
I don't know.
action bronson
Who set this initiative up?
joe rogan
BMJ authors, they won a prize.
What did they win a prize for?
For trying to come up with a gay bomb?
How did they win a prize?
jamie vernon
It says it's been scrapped.
joe rogan
Oh, it's scrapped now?
Yeah, because people found out about it.
Imagine you got $7.5 million.
That's what you do.
What do you guys want to try to make?
Let's try to make a gay bomb.
unidentified
How would you even find out if it would work?
action bronson
Sick motherfuckers.
joe rogan
You would have to get a volunteer that didn't know you were trying to turn them gay.
Because if you're going to find out if it really works, you can't tell a guy, hey, we're going to give you this stuff, tell me if you feel gay.
And he's like, god damn, I feel gay.
And then he probably might be gay for real and just blames it on the drug.
action bronson
There it is.
joe rogan
But really, he's just gay.
And he's just scared to say it.
He's like, you drugged me!
No, I'm gay!
God damn it!
action bronson
I can't even wrap my head around this.
joe rogan
You'd have to not tell him that you're doing it to him.
action bronson
That sounds like it's fake, bro.
The gay vibe sounds so crazy.
joe rogan
I want you to imagine that you're a college student and you're broke.
And, you know, medical experiment, yeah, I'll try that.
action bronson
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You're the guy who goes through, and they dose you up with a gay bomb.
action bronson
Hopefully they hit me with that fucking, what's the other, what's the...
joe rogan
Ozempic?
action bronson
No, no.
joe rogan
Shut up.
unidentified
What's the fake one?
action bronson
In vitro?
When they give you the fake shit.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, the placebo.
action bronson
I want that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to take a risk.
50-50.
action bronson
I've seen heads that are on Ozempic.
They don't look good, man.
It looks like that cow.
They've had all their blood drained of them and they're just a bag of meat.
That's what they look like to me.
And then they have these big faces and skinny bodies because their face and shoulders get small.
joe rogan
Your head grows when you get big.
action bronson
Look like fucking Stewie.
jamie vernon
This came from an article in 07 where it talks about some other wild spending ideas they had.
action bronson
The gay bomb is crazy.
joe rogan
Boston University developed brain implants that could steer shark-like dogfish with a phantom odor.
Wow.
action bronson
This is all sci-fi.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, I imagine...
action bronson
Dogfish.
joe rogan
It says the military has a lot of crazy ideas, but it's hard to turn these ideas into action.
Right.
But if you would, you know, if the military is open-minded, that's a good thing.
action bronson
Look at that next thing.
joe rogan
To consider everything.
What?
action bronson
Fucking taxpayer $50,000 per second.
joe rogan
What?
action bronson
This is why I gotta get the hell out of New York, because they're using my money for this fucking shit.
joe rogan
Look at this.
That is the craziest thing I've ever read.
In her book, Imaginary Weapons, military expert Sharon Weinberger writes that the federal government is spending taxpayer money on the war technology at a pace of about $50,000 per second.
action bronson
That just made me angry for some reason, like I give a shit, but it made me angry.
joe rogan
The government spends $50,000 a second on war technology.
action bronson
Look at that.
joe rogan
Damn.
action bronson
78 billion on weird shit.
joe rogan
Wow.
Half of all government research and development dollars on a variety of projects according to the American Association for Advancement of Science.
action bronson
I definitely have some ideas for some weird weapons.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was like 15 years ago.
unidentified
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
It's probably double.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
action bronson
Take the bottom of a Timberland boot, you wrap duct tape around the footbed, and you just fucking hit someone with the heel.
It's a good one.
joe rogan
That's not good against drones.
action bronson
Throw it.
joe rogan
Once they release the drones.
action bronson
See, I'm not good.
Once again, I told you I'm not good at the computer.
Anything with computers.
I like driving a stick shift.
I like cars with fucking AM, FM radio.
joe rogan
Right.
I hear ya.
I haven't listened to AM radio in forever, but...
action bronson
660, man.
That's that WFAN shit I was telling you about.
joe rogan
When I get in a dude's car and he's got AM radio on, I just get suspicious he might be a prepper.
If it's like AM political talk radio, you might be a prepper.
action bronson
The AM political talk is no good.
But if you listen to the Knicks game on like...
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
No, that's good.
If you can't be at the game or you can't be watching, you're working, you can hear it.
That's the thing that like that sport has that other sports have lost, right?
Like boxing used to have that.
action bronson
Can I tell you what I'd like in UFC? Yes.
I would like to hear your guys' commentary.
And little headphones and like a little transistor fucking thing.
joe rogan
They used to have that.
action bronson
I really think that would make a big difference.
I sit there for seven hours every time I go.
And, you know, I would love to hear what you guys are saying, because it really does help.
joe rogan
I wonder if you could do this.
Like, you know, because of the fact that if you let the audio just play on an app, then there's a bunch of people that might buy the pay-per-view, but they won't buy the pay-per-view.
They'll just listen to the audio on the app.
action bronson
In, just in arena.
joe rogan
But what I was going to say, but if you geolocate it, you turn on your location services and it proves you're inside T-Mobile arena, then you can put your earbuds in and you can listen to the commentary.
action bronson
That's what I want.
joe rogan
Because that way you can find out what the corner man said to him, if someone's foot is hurt.
action bronson
That's what I'm saying.
There's all kinds of things that you hear about later.
Oh, he broke his hand or he broke his foot.
We have no idea.
joe rogan
Right, when you're live, sometimes it's chaos.
I mean, sometimes it's chaos for us.
We're like, what happened?
And it takes like a second, and maybe we, you know, if someone's back is to you, and you're watching the fight, and all of a sudden their head flies back, you don't even know what hit them.
action bronson
No, but you do bring the information once you gather it, and then we're sitting there, you know, and the fight will be over, and like, yo, did you hear that he broke his hand, or did you hear this?
joe rogan
Right.
You gotta find out live in the moment, online.
action bronson
Someone broke their foot or their hand in the fight, and we didn't find out until after.
I can't remember who, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, the UFC should probably do something like that.
action bronson
That would be cool.
joe rogan
They'd just turn it on if you're in the location.
Because they can do shit like that now.
But you'd have to let the government spy on your phone.
action bronson
Whatever, if I get to listen to the fucking...
They could have that one.
If I get to listen to the commentary, I'm fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've gone live before and I missed the commentary too.
It just seems kind of...
Empty.
Seems weird.
It's like so weird, like I'm so used to watching fights while talking.
Like I've seen more fights while talking probably than I have without talking.
It's just nuts.
That's a nutty thing.
I don't think, it might not be, it's probably like 50-50 at this point because I watch so many fights.
I watch a bunch of different organizations too.
Bro, there's killers all over the world now.
I was watching some dudes fight in this octagon event.
jamie vernon
They do have it on Sirius now, apparently.
action bronson
Oh, let's go!
jamie vernon
I wonder if you could have Sirius running inside, like if you had your AirPods on.
action bronson
Right, if you have the Sirius app.
joe rogan
If you have the app, because Sirius is basically like a podcast network too now.
I mean, it's also satellite radio, but they have the app, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can you listen to Howard Stern live on the app?
unidentified
Yeah.
action bronson
No main pay-per-view cards.
joe rogan
Oh, no main pay-per-view cards?
action bronson
Fight nights and preliminary fights.
That's fine, but I would like the main.
It's good for now.
joe rogan
During the pay-per-view.
Yeah, but I've got to be during.
action bronson
I would imagine they'd make some sort of situation where you could pay for that as well.
Where you get the extended version.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And if they just did that, like for people that are at work or something like that where you can't see it.
action bronson
I love listening to fights also.
jamie vernon
That's what the radio used to look like.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
That's what they used to look like.
jamie vernon
But I can't tell when the last time they worked.
joe rogan
Why did they stop, though?
action bronson
Is that a watch?
jamie vernon
It's like a walkie-talkie type thing.
joe rogan
It's a little thing and you plug in some headphones into it and then you'd be sitting in the audience and you'd listen to the commentary.
action bronson
There it is.
It's already there.
Let's do it.
joe rogan
I'll ask Dana.
action bronson
Tell him, please.
joe rogan
What the fuck happened.
action bronson
We need that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll ask Dana what the fuck happened.
They were dope.
That was a cool thing.
Be able to listen to the fights, but then you have all these batteries and radios.
action bronson
Yeah, I know.
It's all fucked up.
joe rogan
You wanted to go through an app.
That's what you want.
You don't want to be...
action bronson
But I do want to be driving, like I do with Yankee games or with any games, and listen to the fights when I want.
I have it on ESPN +, plugged into the car.
I'm not watching, but I'm listening.
That's one way to do it.
But the fucking...
It's shaky sometimes.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
The stream sucks.
joe rogan
Right.
action bronson
And you can't, you know...
I don't want to miss anything.
joe rogan
Depends on where your service is, right?
If you get some good...
I got garbage.
action bronson
I got fucking...
joe rogan
What do you got?
action bronson
I still have Sprint.
Why do you have Sprint?
I'm loyal, bro.
25 years.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
action bronson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
action bronson
This fucking guy had me going crazy today, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, we put in some work today.
action bronson
My lord.
The workout was dope, but the sauna really took it out of me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
I've never been baked before.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
I was slow roasted today.
joe rogan
You should get one of those.
action bronson
I will?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good for you.
action bronson
It really is.
In that cold, I feel like...
I could do again tomorrow, maybe get more than 55 seconds.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Right?
joe rogan
That's what I did.
The first time I did it, I did like a minute and 20-something seconds, and then I did like four minutes, and then I did 20 minutes.
Just because I wanted to see what I could do.
action bronson
The sauna's special though.
joe rogan
The sauna's hard, man.
Especially at that temperature.
You don't have to do that temperature, though.
action bronson
That was an extreme temp?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
190's pretty extreme.
Most people don't like 190. She was burning my nachos.
Yeah, most people like it around like...
action bronson
I was like, is this okay?
This thing's about to fucking go on fire.
joe rogan
When you feel like the hot air coming in and your body's like, what are you doing?
Most people like, I think, like 170, 175. That's like...
It's a zone where it's like uncomfortable but not crazy.
But I got too used to that.
I just got comfortable and I'm like, I want to be a little bit more uncomfortable and I kept going until I settled around 195, 196. So today I did your fucking...
Yeah.
action bronson
Where you're at.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We did it for 10 minutes.
action bronson
Yeah, well listen...
joe rogan
Ten minutes is where it gets hard.
action bronson
Ten minutes sucks.
joe rogan
The first few minutes is not bad at all.
action bronson
No, no, I thought I was going to be able to do it.
joe rogan
That's no big deal.
And then ten minutes in, you're like, oh boy, this is a real problem.
action bronson
And you gave me that fucking thing, and I threw up today.
joe rogan
The Lucy?
action bronson
Oh my god, man.
joe rogan
Those are big boy nicotine pouches too.
action bronson
The nicotine pouch was like this big.
joe rogan
It's got, yeah, it's eight milligrams.
action bronson
Bro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
action bronson
Let me tell you something.
joe rogan
You want one?
Come on, son.
action bronson
I lost myself today.
I lost myself.
joe rogan
They don't give me the hiccups.
I always get the hiccups with Zins.
I've never gotten the hiccups with these Lucys.
jamie vernon
I've only tried it once, though.
action bronson
I only get hiccups if I eat rice without water.
joe rogan
Oh, that'll do it.
action bronson
Right?
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
Take a spoonful of flour.
unidentified
Same shit.
action bronson
No more carbs for me also.
After today, I'm done.
Fuck this.
Watch.
joe rogan
Come on.
You can do it.
action bronson
Oh, bro.
I gotta get on a flight now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you do.
You really gotta go.
All right, let's wrap this up.
Listen, dude, you're awesome.
I always love hanging out with you.
action bronson
You're the fucking man.
joe rogan
You're so much fun.
We had a great time today.
action bronson
Always.
joe rogan
It was a real fun time.
And shout out to our man's barbecue.
Because God damn was that good.
KG barbecue.
action bronson
KG barbecue.
Young Egyptian.
joe rogan
Incredible.
So delicious.
And so unique.
The flavors, the way he uses them.
His special take on all these different things with different spices.
Insane.
Very good.
And he's got an Instagram.
So what's his Instagram?
KGBarbecue.
action bronson
He's killing it.
joe rogan
He's got a lot of great food.
Dude, you're the fucking man.
Catch your flight.
I love you.
Appreciate you.
action bronson
You're the best.
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