Dale Brisby and Joe Rogan dive into Texas’s violent past, from Comanche conflicts to his family’s ties with the Texas Rangers, framing modern AI disruption as akin to historical upheavals. Brisby’s near-death rodeo injuries—sternum fractures, back surgeries, and hip arthritis—highlight the brutal physical toll of bull riding, while Rogan critiques misguided health narratives like sugar-funded 1967 cholesterol studies. They defend regenerative ranching over factory farming, praising wild game’s taste and nutritional benefits, and link hunting’s mental clarity to carnivore diets. Rogan warns against communism’s coercive redistribution, comparing it to post-9/11 security overreach, while Brisby reflects on gun ownership as a Second Amendment necessity after his father’s death, emphasizing preparedness over blind trust in societal systems. [Automatically generated summary]
If you're just out honky-tonking, or then if you're about to like, you know, get on a bronc or something, and you pull it down, it makes your ears crunch.
If I could have an invisible bubble and go back in time and just experience it without them knowing I was there, I would love to see what that was like.
Because as quickly as the world changed for the Native Americans when the Europeans moved here, that world is going to change even quicker for us if AI takes over.
You know, because there's this mantra that people chant out that, like, you need to stop eating meat to save the world.
That's not going to work, kids.
That's not going to do it.
You want to say we should get rid of factory farming?
Yeah, horrific conditions that animals live under, there's no reason for that.
They should be living like regenerative farming.
We should figure that out.
Animals should live like animals are supposed to live.
It shouldn't be stuffed into little cages and, you know, fucking pumped by machines to get their milk out.
Like, it would be nice if things were more nature-like.
Like, if you get, like, a good regenerative farm, like White Oaks Pastures or someplace like that, what they do is just recreate nature in a contained environment.
It just seems like, yeah, maybe it is making an impact, but if everything else that's going on is going to cause it, I mean, how much of an impact at what cost?
You know, like Jordan Peterson talks about with, are there some other things we could be doing with, like, helping poverty, you know, raising up the impoverished.
Like, all these resources that are going towards certain things, like, I'm not saying we shouldn't do some of it, but are there some other ways that...
I kind of threw out the playbook as far as, like, nutrition.
Somebody said half the people that die of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.
I think it was on Huberman.
Really?
I mean, you can fact check me, but I'm pretty sure Huberman has said that 50% of the people that died of a heart attack didn't have high cholesterol.
And that high cholesterol...
It just made me question everything.
I'm not trying to make some scientific claim because I'm a cowboy, but it made me...
Maybe meat is less of an enemy than what mainstream is trying to tell everybody.
If meat was killing everybody, that would have killed us off a long time ago.
Meat's the most nutrient-dense food you can eat.
We just have all these problems in this country in terms of what narratives are being spread and what information is being spread.
And one of the big ones that started it off was...
Was it the 50s or the 60s where the sugar industry...
So the 1950s, the sugar industry paid off These scientists to fake this study, to fake these results, and have it say that saturated fat is the cause of heart disease and not sugar.
Because there was an obvious increase.
So here it is.
Documents show that a trade group called Sugar Research Foundation, known today as the Sugar Association, paid three Harvard scientists the equivalent of about $50,000 in today's dollars to publish a 1967 review of research on sugar, fat, and heart disease.
So it was a complete bullshit...
Heart paper that these guys created that had everyone, including me when I was growing up and most people that have listened to this that haven't looked into it, we thought that saturated fat was causing heart disease when really it was sugar.
The massive overconsumption of sugar that started when people started adding sugar to everything, adding corn syrup to everything, when they subsidized corn, they had all this corn.
Turned it into corn syrup.
Started adding a sweetener to everything.
People started getting fat as fuck and having heart attacks.
And the sugar industry is like, we've got to blame somebody else.
Who are we going to blame?
Let's blame this thing that people have been eating since the beginning of time.
Let's blame saturated fat.
And let's say dietary cholesterol affects your overall health.
Goddamn, cholesterol is like literally what you need to form hormones.
It's a building block of your human body.
It's critical.
It's a critical thing.
And there's LDL and HDL and to try to figure out what's well.
You need like a...
Like a Huberman, to sit down and break something like that down to you.
And then there's also hereditary issues that people have.
Some people really should be on a low cholesterol diet.
And some people have heart disease they're born with.
He calls it lift, run, shoot, but I fucking think it should be shoot, lift, run.
When I practice archery in the morning, I don't do jack shit before I practice archery.
I want to be loose.
I loosen my arms up a little.
I take some breathing exercises.
I don't want to be out of breath.
I don't want to be anything.
I know on the mountains, there's going to be moments where you're out of breath and all that stuff, but I feel like getting in shape is the solution for that.
I don't think the solution is try to shoot when you're exhausted.
You just develop bad habits.
But Cam doesn't really shoot before he...
He calls it lift, run, shoot, but he really shoots before he lifts.
He'll tell you the same thing.
You really want to be...
You want to have confidence in your shooting and the only way to do that really is to be like relaxed and not exhausted.
You don't want your arms exhausted.
The whole idea is like you're trying to build repetition over it.
You need thousands of reps to be able to execute the way he does.
I guess my life was just kind of pointing in a different direction with, you know, rodeoing.
And, you know, that was kind of my deal, you know, and that's what all my time has been my entire life, is like in and around an arena or on the back of a horse out in a pasture.
But I've always had a respect for stand-up comedians.
What's crazy about the stand-up part is whenever you guys go to talking to the crowd, like Matt Rife that you had on the other day, and his crowd work and stuff.
Oh yeah, every new crazy thing is a totally different experience.
I can't imagine riding a fucking bull.
That was one of the times on Fear Factor where I told the producers, don't do it.
Don't do it.
I got there and they had these, one of the girls was like 98 pounds, this tiny little lady, and they had her ride in this pool.
I go, dude, don't do this to these people.
And the fucking stuntmen are some of the hardest dudes you will ever meet.
Those dudes are not worried about broken bones.
They break them all the time.
They're not worried about shit.
So they're not worried about themselves getting injured.
They take precautions.
You know, they're professional, but they're definitely not worried about these fuckers getting injured either.
They don't want him to get injured, but they'll put him in danger.
And I was like, these are fucking bulls.
And the stunt guy, he was hilarious.
He always had a dip in his mouth, and he was on set so often that he stopped spitting his dip because he couldn't carry around a cup, so he just started swallowing it.
So he swallows his dip.
What kind of a man is there swallowing dip for decades?
I call him, I call like the one I have, he would be like my bucket list bull.
Because like if somebody just wanted to get on a bull for the hell of it, like I would put him on this one black bull.
We call him trunk.
He just jumps and kicks around there.
And he's kind of predictable.
And he's not mean at the end of it.
And then we've got some other bulls that, you know, will get it on in the gate and then be mean and might try to kill you.
But I imagine...
I vaguely remember the show, and what I remember about it, it would be like something, probably a notch or two above trunk, like my bucket list type bull ride.
Like if you were to get on a bull, I would put you on trunk.
My whole program revolves around interns coming in.
My Netflix show was my interns learning how to rodeo.
And so I've got guys coming in that want to ride Bulls, want to ride Bronx, and I'll tell them, like, All the things, like, listen, number one, you could die.
Or worse, you know, you could die from the neck down and not the neck up, you know?
When I see it in fighters, it makes me very concerned.
Sometimes...
You got a guy who's just maybe had just too many fights, and they used to be real durable, and then you see him get dinged once, and you see, like, instantly the legs go, and you're like, oh my god, he barely got touched, and he got rocked.
But he told a story on this podcast about getting trapped in a cave while cave diving with this dude and the dude panicked and the cave got filled up with mud.
You couldn't see anything.
Even though he was right there and I knew he survived, like it was one of the most fucking terrifying stories I've ever heard in my life because he was running out of air and he couldn't figure out how to get out of the cave because it was all filled with silt.
You know, one time my wife, she had like one of those SUVs with a hatchback thing and she was taking something out of the back and the corner of the door was above her head and she didn't know and she stood up and slammed it, the corner of it, right into the top of her head and blood starts trickling down her face.
She was freaking out.
And I looked at it, and I'm like, it's like that big.
I'm so used to seeing people just busted open their fucking eyelids hanging off their face and right don't stop the fight let them fight You know you're so used to seeing guys that you that probably have a broken hand because they haven't thrown it in two rounds You so used to seeing guys get fucked.
I've seen so many guys I've seen like four guys have their legs snapped from checking kicks now See, you see so many injuries.
So he came back from Iraq and started riding bareback horses.
And he got...
He got...
Jerked down into like a pipe fence.
And just, like, crushed his face.
Like, had, like, surgery and, like, and he just never knocked out, just, like, stood up.
He's this little stocky, you know, Marine, you know, like, door-to-door Marine.
And he just, like, walks out.
He's like, I'm gonna go down here to the hospital.
Just blood everywhere, broken eye socket, broken everything.
And, you know, we helped him.
But it made me think.
I feel like I've seen quite a bit of injuries with the rodeo arena, but I can't imagine guys like Ross or even Tim who have done MMA and been to Afghanistan.
But bronc riding has been, like, the thing that I've chased.
And, like, that's one of the last things my dad did.
And bronc riding, it's similar to bull riding, except it's a horse, not a bull.
But, yeah, I got started young and got on my first bull whenever I was, like, 10 or 12. Oh, my God.
You know?
And...
And then it was all downhill from there.
I mean, I had a little bit of fear involved, but I just knew that was the path that was going on no matter what.
And my dad didn't push me, you know, but he...
That's just...
That was in our blood.
That's just what we did, and I was going to do it whether he pushed me or not.
And then I just...
Once it got...
Once that fight, experiencing that fight of...
Every night.
I wasn't much for the partying.
There's a lot of guys that all of it together, the partying and that lifestyle, like, I enjoyed having a good time, but for me, being behind the chutes, getting ready for that fight, that was what kept me coming back.
Woodrow call mixed with Billy Graham like he was like a Christian man hard cowboy kind of still a hard ass and It was so I kind of he didn't like tell me like you can never drink but I just did it And then before I knew it I looked it back and I just hadn't drank and I was having a pretty good time I'm like Theo Vaughn like when I get something I get it And I knew that if I got that, it would get me.
I went in, I had some big life stuff happening, and I was like, went in my doctor, I thought like, you know, something with my, because my old man died of a heart attack, actually while he was at a rodeo, and like in the arena.
But anyways, I had like some, some chest pain, and he went in, and doctor was like, Well, do you have anything big going on?
I was like, yeah.
And then he started talking about Xanax and all this.
And I was like, I guess, half-assed panic attacks or whatever.
I don't know.
And I was like, oh, that's what it...
Okay.
Forget we had this conversation.
I just walked out.
I didn't want no part of...
That kind of stuff would...
Those kind of drugs or pills or whatever you want to call them would just grab me and not let go, I think.
It was kind of the start of me, like, starting to look into, like, you know, cholesterol and whatnot and, like, really...
And it ultimately led to, like, I'm just going to change my diet around.
But that had nothing to do with the panic attacks, but that was kind of, it snowballed into, like, me changing my diet and doing all kinds of different things.
I feel my best when I don't fuck around with bread and carbs.
I don't think salads are a problem, but I do think there's a real concern about the amount of glyphosate that gets into people's system from food.
From monocrop agriculture.
That's real.
I don't know how much that's doing to you.
And I know that there's been many times in the past where people have dismissed the health concerns about a certain substance, and then later on you find out, you know, that fucking kills people, causes cancer, and it's a real problem, and it's contributing to all these autoimmune issues, and this and that and that and this, and like, oh, now we know.
But it took 10 years before people figured it out.
There's a lot of very legitimate people that are sounding the alarm about the dangers of glyphosate.
And the fact that when they do...
They did this blood test, this study on people, and they found that 90-something percent of the people had glyphosate in their blood.
Even if it's a small amount.
There's a lot of apologists that want to say, oh, it's a small amount.
It's very safe.
A small amount of something that kills you and causes cancer.
I don't like that.
It doesn't sound good in any way, shape, or form.
I don't think that should be dismissed, especially when we don't have long-term studies.
What I do know about is, like, the beef, you know?
And, like, well, I say I know more about that than I do vegetables and farming.
And, like, I'm a fan of, you know, I just watched this, you know, calf grow, and I fed him out, and then I took him and got him processed, and now I'm eating him.
You know, and, like, there's just something to that where I just...
And I think there's a reality of life and death that a lot of people avoid.
And they think that by not eating meat, you're somehow or another making life better for them.
If you wanted them to live naturally, they would get killed by wolves, and it would be horrible.
The way they get killed, they get their fucking hamstrings torn off, and they get taken down, and they immediately tear their guts out, and they swarm them, and it's a horrific death.
Horrific, long, painful death.
And if it's not that, they're freezing to death.
If it's not that, it's mountain lions.
If it's not that, it's bears.
If it's not that, it's starving.
And that's the reality of being an animal in the wild.
And if you think that somehow or another pasture-raised animals that are just chilling, having a good time eating grass, not a concern in the world, and then one day they get fed into a chute and they get a bolt in their brain, it takes a second and they're instantly dead.
That's a better death, a better life, all of the above.
Their hormones just go a completely different direction.
You know, and you can tell like in a pasture, my dad could tell just even a six-month-old, just he'll come down the chute, he'll look at his head and he'll be like, got a heifer, got a bull.
But like when they're older, like a year or two, you can tell out in the pasture, like that's not a steer, that's a bull.
Like the way they grow is much different.
A bull is going to be more lean.
A steer is going to have more fat to them.
Heifers will be that way too.
They're not as good to eat as a steer.
If you're getting a prime steak somewhere, it's probably a steer.
So a steer's going to be more muscular than a heifer.
He just doesn't have the focus of reproduction that she does.
And now he doesn't have any focus of reproduction now that you castrated him.
And so he's all about, his only deal is he's going to grow and sleep.
He's going to eat and sleep.
And so you grow them and eat them to this perfect point in the feedlot.
They'll start on a cow-calf.
There's three phases.
When they're born, it's called cow-calf.
And that's the more sexy part of cowboying and ranching is like you see them out in the pasture.
And then that middle phase is the stalker phase.
And that's where, like, a yearling, you'll wean them at, like, 600 pounds in almost a year.
Then you'll send them to wheat pasture, and they'll be there for, you know, they'll gain however much weight, maybe get to, like, 900, and then they'll go to the feedlot till maybe 1,200 pounds.
So that's the third phase is the feedlot, and they'll get finished out, and then they'll get slaughtered.
Now, those are going to be better than like your sirloins.
But they're still not going to be, there will be a noticeable difference between like that and a little over a year old steer that got processed at 12. Because I've always felt that steaks are kind of unnaturally tender anyway.
When you see the difference between, like, eating an elk steak and eating, like, a beef steak, it's like, you're used to, like, if you eat an elk steak, you're used to chewing through it.
So what they'll do is they have a fire in one of those Argentine grills, you know, that cranks and lowers and raises it, a Grillworks grill.
And so they'll have it up on high and it's getting just barely touched by the flames and a lot of smoke and they'll slowly bring it up to temperature then and then they drop it down and sear it at the end.
I don't suggest it, but when he's got that Marlboro, and I don't even smoke, and I don't think you should smoke, but when JB is smoking a cigarette, and he puts that...
Like, get to the hospital and they say, okay, lay right here and don't move until the surgeon gets here because you could be paralyzed if you make a move.
That's the worst of the worst kind of situation, you know what I mean?
But...
I'm not suggesting people go try this.
Get on the other end of the arena.
Do team roping.
Do some calf roping.
I don't know.
I just can't.
I just have to be down here.
It got in my blood and I can't get it out.
I'm going in for a surgery next week.
For what?
My shoulder.
I've had two back surgeries.
I've had six surgeries in the last five or six years.
Like it just, I got to a point, I went several years with no injuries and then all of a sudden it kind of, like in your youth you just like, you're just hitting the fence, you're hitting the ground, you're getting stepped on and then all of a sudden like once they start, I don't know, but I'm gonna get my shoulder redone.
No, like the way I landed, like the first time it came out, like it was right before my back surgery because I didn't realize I was hurt and I kept bucking off weird on bucking horses and when I hit the ground my elbow drove and it came out the front and so like You kind of have a little bit of a socket that your shoulder's in.
So the cow-calf phase that I explained earlier, where that calf is born and stays on the cow, well, when he gets like 600 pounds, they'll wean him.
And so you got to gather the whole pasture, we'll put them in the pens, and we'll strip those calves off their mamas and send them to the stalker phase.
I mean, this was an easy thing to say, like, hey, Dusty.
Dusty manages their Dixon Creek branch, and he's one of my best friends.
But I was like, Dusty, I got to go up here.
And he was like, yeah, you got to go up there.
But yeah, like, if I wasn't here, I'd be there.
And I get to film a little, you know, like Taylor, he doesn't mind me, like little Snapchats and little videos here and there.
Because he also knows that I'm going to promote the four sixes, you know, I'm not going to disparage anybody.
But yeah, I've seen opportunities in my lawyers like, dude, you got to get out of that small town and come to College Station or Austin or Dallas, Fort Worth to grow your business.
And I just can't.
I'll be smaller and stay where I'm at.
I'm not going to trade this lifestyle for more money.
And I was like, well, I get 50, 60, 100 messages a day from people wanting to be in my intern program to just learn.
They're sitting on a couch in Maryland, and they're like, I want to learn to be a cowboy.
And so that's why we called the show How to Be a Cowboy, was because the world is interested.
I foresee rodeo and the ranching industry growing.
I'm super optimistic about it.
If legislation and all that bullshit can fade away where people think cows are the demise of society, then if that can not get in our way, then the future of agriculture and rodeoing is super bright because America is interested.
It's a job, and then, like I said, it's got that lifestyle passion factor to it where if you're working on an assembly line in a warehouse, when that bell rings at the end of the day and you clock out, sometimes that's it.
And if it's 5 o'clock, you're out of there before 5.01.
I was in a factory the other day, and it was midday, and I was like, what are these people doing in their cars?
And they were like, well, it's break time.
Like, they leave the building.
By the time they get to their car, they only got like nine minutes.
But they hated their job so much, they didn't even want to be in the building.
So they went out to their car for their break.
And just in the ranching and rodeo community, you have people making arguably the same amount of money on average.
It's not a high-paying lifestyle, but they're not leaving right at five.
They're passionate about it.
They're roping the dummy or working with a horse or, heaven forbid, solving problems, cows out on the highway kind of stuff.
But it's something that grabs a hold of you.
Cowboying will grab a hold of you the same way that like rodeo and grabs a hold of you and I'm honored that like I have this program where three or four people a year get to come into it and they get to learn that and And I've got a few guys, like my top intern, he's been with me the longest, his name's Donnie.
And Donnie was working at a bar for his dad in Missouri.
No horses, nothing around him.
And he came in and he learned to ride Bronx.
And after four years, now he makes money riding Bronx.
Now, I don't want him to get hurt because I would feel a little responsible, but he's hooked on this lifestyle now.
I don't know.
I wish and I pray that everybody had some sort of opportunity in their life to grab a hold of something the way that Rodeo and Cowboying grabs a hold of me.
It's, I think, yeah, you hit the nail on the head.
Like, it's a unique thing.
Like, most of the time, people driving down the highway, they just expect animals to be out there, and then all of a sudden you look over, and somebody's on top of one of them, gathering the other animals.
And it's just like, what is going on?
Like, if you knew nothing about it, if maybe an alien showed up, you know, and they're just like, what are they doing, you know?
And so, like, to the uneducated eye, it's just so intriguing and unique.
And then you get into it and you realize that there's a code and there's passion and it's a lifestyle for people.
And at the end of the day, if we just break even, well, it was a free vacation.
And that's how people feel about money.
And rodeoing, the only reason rodeo cowboys care about money is because that's how they keep score.
And that's how, it's like, how much money did you win?
Okay, now you get to go to the NFR. If they did like a point system, we would be so broke because then we'd care about money even less because that's not why we're doing it.
But thankfully, anyway, and that's how cowboys that are like ranch cowboys are the same way.
Like, I saw a guy the other day, he's a day work cowboy and When you're a day worker, you bring your own horse, you bring your own trailer, truck, everything.
You have your own insurance.
Like, you're $10.99.
You're not W-2.
And so, yeah, you might make $150 in a day, but if you blow out a tire, a new trailer tire is $250.
So, like, you've got to work two days for a tire.
Well, I saw one the other day, and he bought this new bit.
And I know his financial situation, but as soon as he got an extra $1,000, he bought this badass bit that he had wanted.
Well, there's something appealing about that to people.
People really enjoy watching other people that love what they do.
Because I think that's what we all want.
We all want something that we do that we love what we do.
We look forward to it.
When someone sees something that's so counterintuitive, it seems like such hard work, so difficult and time-consuming, and it just requires everything of you, and it's not like a thing you can do for a couple hours and then take a break.
No, you're doing it all day long, every fucking day.
Also, it's just like, there's something about the struggle of jujitsu that makes regular struggle easier, makes regular life easier.
It's like a medicine.
It's like this literal life or death struggle that you're having on the mats, which is about as safe as a life or death struggle can be.
Because you were training partners, and if someone does get your back and they do sink in that choke, you can just tap, and then you're back to square one, and then you start again.
You get accustomed to that life or death struggle on a daily basis where that is your high watermark for difficulty.
It makes everyday life way easier.
Now when that high watermark is removed completely from your life, Normal bullshit bill stuff like nonsense your your neighbors complaining your fucking dog did something that becomes more Tense and more difficult to handle yeah for you know obvious reasons you don't have the adversity that you need to in order to have like What you have built up in your life is like a healthy existence You know I'll say that My
interest in jiu-jitsu has been to, I don't know, I just get nervous about a lot of people show up to a booth where I'll be doing autographs or whatever, and I just get nervous.
I told Cowboy, all I have is that I'm not in terrible shape and I probably won't quit.
But other than that, anybody who's done any training could just walk through me.
So you're worried about like someone coming up to you that maybe just thinks like your videos are serious and when you're talking all that shit that you're...
And so I guess like every little session there's this black belt that comes over and teaches us and he's so smart.
And I'll just, at the end of each little move, and I'm like, Okay, but if they're trying to kill me right here, and he'll teach me some street tactics.
Because that's essentially what I'm...
And I don't think...
I mean, just like you, most people that come up to you are just...
I did one session at Cowboys Camp with Coach Ray, his coach that had been around for a while, and like one 30-40 minute, and I could see that being really fun.
My dad was a boxer, so we had a punching bag in the barn growing up, but nothing.
Like I said, anybody with any training could walk through me.
And they think somehow or another, because of whatever delusional thinking and their ego and maybe they're schizophrenic, I don't know what it is, they just think that they could beat up Francis Ngannou.
I guarantee you, somebody somewhere at some point in time has tested Tyson Fury, has gotten in his face.
It's crazy.
There's people out there that are just out of their fucking minds and they're just not well, you know?
But there's also a heightened state of awareness because you're driving.
Because when you're driving, you have to make fast decisions and you're moving fast.
So everything is quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.
So someone gets a funny, motherfucker!
You know, it's like you're already at 7. And so when someone just gets in front of you, they bring you to 10. Like that.
Whereas in the walking around, if someone got in front of you, you wouldn't care at all.
Like if you're just walking somewhere on the street and there's a bunch of people walking and some guy walks past you and walks in front of you, it means nothing.
It doesn't even bother you.
But when you're a car, you're like, oh, this is a fucking guy!
Because you might have to make, like, this guy decides to change lanes, like, fuck!
Like, this guy's an idiot.
He's making me hit the brakes.
Like, now I got a fucking, what are you doing, douchebag?
Look at this asshole.
And you're already ramped up.
And so...
People, they go, they get so angry so quick, and that's why.
Because you're at a heightened state of awareness because you're driving.
And when you're going 65 miles an hour, you have to make quick decisions.
And when people are changing lanes and doing stupid shit, like, you're at the whim of their shitty decision making.
I think that's a true test of someone's character, I guess.
I'm not saying anybody that gets mad is a piece of shit because you got mad in traffic, but I guess for me personally, when I look at myself...
The heightened sense of awareness would amplify the fact that my pride is what's controlling me that day.
And if I'm able to walk through the day humbly where I'm not at competition with people, then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, okay, I'll just hit the brakes, let them go, and I'll probably get to my destination at the same time.
No, and they would probably control it more and fuck with who you are more and there'd be a lot of a lot of You know a lot of other people trying to shape what it is Whereas now they go we got this kind of finished thing.
We just need to apply Dale Brisby to this We know who Dale Brisby is.
And through that thing, you don't have anybody telling you what to do, so you do it the way you think it should be done, and you learn how to do it better with each episode if you care.
You see what he's done in terms of ultramarathon running, his work ethic, and the fact that he did all that shit while he had a full-time job for the most time.
For the last five years, I was trying to talk that dude into quitting his job.
Every day I'd text him, quit that fucking job.
Every day.
You don't need that job.
He was making more money from his sponsors than he ever was from his job.
Yeah, that's another level of passion that, like, that's so, yeah, anybody that can run 100 miles, I think is, you know, that's easy to say that they're just a unique individual.
Yeah, well, he's done 240. Like, that alone is incredible, but then the sacrifices he made to go do that.
You know, I think that the people that have that kind of work ethic, a little bit of talent, and then they're passionate about a certain thing, you know, that'll go all out.
And then eventually they're the ones that are successful, provided they stay healthy.
And the more you get on, the more you're reminded of that.
Like, it crosses your mind, like...
Like, I got in on, like, the last...
I haven't been on in a couple months because I'm having this surgery.
I was supposed to have it a month ago, but...
Like, I just got down in the shoot, and...
We weren't even filming, and...
I just got super emotional.
I just started crying in the shoot.
I'm emotional.
I had to get out and start over.
It looks like he's bitching out or something, but really I was just like, because I'm just thinking about my dad, thinking about this.
This could be my last bronc ride.
This could be it.
And you just get overwhelmed.
And then the smell of the arena and the music's playing and your buddies are there.
But just that fight, as soon as the gate opens, it's just so pure.
It's so pure.
And all the shit talking, all that's out the window.
And it's you and the horse, because the horse, he didn't hear it.
It's just like, can you execute the fundamentals in the midst of your emotions running them up?
And essentially, that's what it is.
Executing fundamentals in the middle of the fight, or do you let the fear overcome you and you do what your intuition says to do, which unfortunately is opposite of what you're supposed to do.
Like in Broncroydon, you're supposed to lift on your rein and stay back.
Well, your intuition tells you to sit up and pull.
I'm sure it's a lot of the same things in fighting like your intuition is telling you to do this and you know that's the move they want you to do so they can put you here and so once you get control of your emotions and you execute the fundamentals and that's what makes guys like JB so great you know there's something that people experience when they do something very difficult that makes them want to keep doing it The rush of doing that, of keeping your emotions in check in this insanely high-pressure situation, that becomes so addictive to some people.
He's been kind of like, I don't want to say like a dad to me, but I've used him as that, hey, what do we do in this situation kind of deal.
Yeah.
But like when them guys go around the corner at a house, you know, is there going to be a fight there?
And just that thrill of like, okay, now there is a fight.
And I was talking to DJ Shipley.
He's a SEAL Team 6 guy.
And he told me, we were on the back of the chutes, and he was like, what I respect about rodeo is every time it's a fight.
And he said, when we go into a room to clear a room, 95% of the time, the room is benign.
And so I looked up what benign meant.
But he said he, and he was, you know, obviously the stakes are different in bull riding and, you know, guys going overseas and being in combat, you know, the stakes are much different.
But he was just respecting the fact that when you do go around that corner, you have to execute the fundamentals in the midst of like fear and whatnot.
I'm sure there's guys going into the ring in the octagon where it's just like, they don't feel like it that day.
Or this particular guy's got in their head.
Well, they gotta get that out of their head and execute fundamentals.
There was one of those 13 times, though, he picked him, and two seconds during the ride, so he's on his back, just like he is right here, and all the lights go out.
It wasn't like, it's just, it was enough to take me out for two years.
Mm-hmm.
And it's not, like I said, it's not near as serious as, like, what they did to Jacobs and JB. But it was something that just, like, took me out of the game, and then it's like, now it's this lingering injury, one of half a dozen.
And yeah, they gave me a lot of exercises, which is like routine for me.
Like I do the routine stuff like for a back injury.
Same thing with my shoulder.
So like that's why it's like I don't do the normal Tim Kennedy stuff all the time.
I've also got these like workouts that revolve around injuries and recovery that I'll do.
Yeah.
But, like, when I went to Cam's, I was getting ready for Cam's, and I didn't tell him this, but I was, about a month before, like, I was running a lot, you know, because I didn't want to be a bitch up on this mountain, you know, and my leg pain started coming back, and then my hips started hurting, and I was like, oh, shit, it's coming back again, and Anyways, I did the deal.
We ran like 12 miles and, like I said, threw up in the bow rack.
But I went back to the surgeon.
He was like, well, your leg pain's coming back because of your back, you know, but it should go away if you'll ease up on the running.
But your hips, he's like, you have severe early onset arthritis.
He's like, you got bone spurs all over your hips.
You'll probably have to...
If you did have hip replacement surgery, it'd be early.
And he said it's just because of your lifestyle.
So now, every time I run, it's like I got rocks in my hips.
Yeah, they've done studies on people that run a lot, and it shows that the cartilage and the meniscus and everything gets harder.
Your body gets accustomed to that.
Whatever you force it to do, your body adapts.
Sometimes to the detriment of the joint.
You know, like Goggins had to, he was bone on bone for so long with his knees and running thousands of miles bone on bone that his bone was deforming and distorting because it was like the constant irritation of grinding against the other bones.
The doctor looked at him and said, I can't believe you can walk with these knees.
Forget about run thousands of miles.
So instead of getting a knee replacement, what he did was where the bone like bulged out, they cut that off.
They sliced like a wedge out of his bone, chopped this piece off and brought it down so it's flat again.
But you need people like that in the world to show you.
You need people like Tim Kennedy and Cam Haynes and those kind of people.
You need people like that out there to set the bar very high.
It helps all of us.
Even if you're not interested in doing that kind of shit, like I don't work out as hard as they do, but it sets the bar much higher in comparison to what you would require of yourself normally.
You require more because you know there's people like that out there that are really getting after it.
And then you realize you can do more.
You can do more than you think you can do for sure.
One thing about comedians, they need a place where they meet up with other comedians.
You don't want to just be that dude on the road with only your opening act.
That guy's lonely.
It gets weird.
We're a tribal group.
We have to be around our people.
When you're hanging out at the mothership in the green room, we're all talking shit and laughing.
That's our comfort zone.
That club is like a clubhouse.
It's a place where we can go.
We're all practicing our art form.
We're all getting better at it.
We're all feeding off of each other getting better at it.
We're all helping each other with jokes.
We're all talking shop in the green room.
I got this bid.
I can't figure out where to go with it.
We're trying to break things down.
We're coming up with taglines for each other.
It's fun, man.
And we had that in LA before the pandemic with the Comedy Store.
And Theo, when he was here, was like, man, this is what I miss the most.
And I was like, well, this is worth that, man.
This is what we're trying to do here.
We're trying to, like...
What we set up with that club was to have a place where all of us could go and have that support and have that place where you're like, oh, this is my home base.
And that's why I wanted to call it the mothership.
Because you'll go from there and you leave to go to other places.
You leave to go, but you come back to the mothership.
Well, that camaraderie is like, that's one of the major things with rodeo.
And I was talking to my guys that work for me.
You'll miss the thrill of, you know, depending on how you feel about it, if you are one of those passionate individuals that loves actually the fight, you'll miss that.
The very next thing, if not the more important thing, is the guys and being behind the chutes and going down the road.
Like that camaraderie of going down the road with...
You know, that's the other thing.
And it keeps you going a lot of times when you feel like you want to quit.
Especially when you do it for a living.
You know, when that's like you're rodeoing for your income.
And so there's rodeos that you want to be at.
And then there's rodeos also like, hey, I need to make money.
And so you're going.
But no matter, even those rodeos, like, they're still, like, you're on the back of the chutes, and it's the epitome of freedom.
Like, it's the, standing on the back of the chutes, I remember, I think it was Clear Lake, South Dakota, and I just had this aha moment, like, standing on the back of the chutes, being a kid from Texas, and going to those rodeos, and, uh, The national anthem was playing, and it was just, this is freedom.
And I don't know that you have a more patriotic bunch than, for me at least, the most patriotic individuals I've come across, barring, you know, as a group, barring the actual ones doing the fighting, like, rodeo cowboys are very appreciative.
Because, like, we get to see that freedom every weekend.
You know, when people do something that's very difficult and controversial, And it becomes their passion.
They really value freedom.
And when you're doing something that other people maybe don't understand because they don't have experience in it, they don't know why you're even doing that.
You shouldn't even be able to do that.
They don't get it.
You're not a part of the life.
And that's why it's important to hear people like you talk about it because someone who might have had an opinion Based on just a peripheral understanding of what rodeo riding, like, this is stupid.
Why are they into this?
Who cares about ranching?
And then you hear you talk about it, and you're like, hey, you know, there's someone listening to it right now.
Like, maybe there's something in there that I don't understand because I just haven't experienced it.
Maybe it's parallel to things that I enjoy in my life that maybe other people wouldn't understand.
Well, I think, you know, you mentioned, like, the controversy.
I think a lot of the controversy that's in and around rodeo and ranching are because people don't understand it.
And so they just make assumptions and they're uneducated.
Like, for instance, that bull bushwhacker, like, we can slow it down and I can show you, like, I mean, we don't have to, but the point is, is, like, nothing's wrapped around his balls.
These animals as having the same pain tolerance as a human.
You know, like, these dudes ain't, they're not coming inside in the winter, in a hailstorm.
They're just gonna sit out in it and be fine.
Like, it's a completely different species.
And people look at it like, Oh, man, if that happened to me, that would hurt.
Yeah, of course, because we're humans, you know?
And, like, I'm not trying to justify anything.
All I'm saying is, you're dealing with a different species.
And, like, there's just things that aren't painful to them.
Like, for instance, a flank.
Like, it's a cotton rope.
Like, I should have brought one.
It's so simple.
I've done a lot of tutorials on my YouTube where I show like, I'll put one on, I put one on Boone in a YouTube video, like my ranch and he's like a gentle horse.
Like I put a flank on him and turn it and we turned him out and he just walks out.
And there's a lot of misconceptions like that also in the ranching world.
You know, you might see somebody treating animals like shit because in some exceptional video that goes viral in the dairy or something where somebody...
They're very important to me, but it's a different thing.
I value humans above everything else.
And that's how animals feel about their species, too.
All animals.
And that's the rule of nature.
It's fucking tooth, fang, and claw.
We've just managed to figure out cities and buildings and cars, and we've managed to shield ourselves from it to the point where we don't think we're a part of the cycle of life, but we are.
We're just in a very distorted version of it where you could just go buy the meat at the store so by hiring a supermarket hitman, somehow or another you feel like you are immune to the pain and suffering.
And so they don't, those kind of people, there's a lot of people that eat meat that don't like hunting.
And that to me is just very strange.
Like, you're consuming food, then you have zero idea where that food came from.
You don't have a goddamn clue what kind of life that animal had, and you eat that, and you're fine.
But you'd think there's something wrong with someone going out and getting it themselves in the wild, which to me is crazy.
And it's also like it's just ignorance.
And it's convenient thinking.
Convenient thinking that you're in a morally superior position because you're not involved in the actual death itself.
All I'm saying is, is, like, there's an order, I think, that was the way God designed us, and I'm not saying that means that we have a right to abuse animals at all.
No.
Because I, again, those are exceptions to the rule in my industry.
People don't like other people that do bad things to animals.
Well, those PETA videos have really poisoned a lot of people's minds, too.
But then there is the reality of factory farming, which is, in a lot of ways, very cruel.
We've all seen those trucks filled with pigs or trucks filled with chickens going down the road, and they're all slammed in there together, and it just doesn't look good.
There's a certain level of connection that you get with nature as a cowboy, you know, and you do get faced with death.
And, you know, like when you're tending to animals, like it just happens.
You know, I lost one of my dad's pickup horses the other day.
He died.
He collect and, you know, like you're faced with it, you know, and we cut off part of his mane and pulled his shoes off and put him out in the pasture, you know, where he got to You know, go back to dust, but it's part of life, whether we like it or not.
And like you said, you're not escaping it by going to the grocery store.
And then there's a lot of groundhogs that get killed, a lot of gophers that get killed, a lot of things get murdered in order to make sure that you have those vegetables that you think are so ethical.
That's another thing though that gets in your blood.
Those, the people that really enjoy, I think there's certain things that speak to human evolution.
And hunting is one of those.
Like you don't know that you have this connection with it until you do it and then it feels so right.
It feels like this is what I'm supposed to be doing to get meat.
This feels natural because humans did it for thousands and thousands of years.
Same with agriculture.
I'm sure the same with cowboying.
There's probably something in it that like speaks to a part of who you are and how we became a civilized agricultural society that you had to be good at this in order to survive.
And so this is sort of baked into the human DNA. Yeah, and there's certain parts of it that are, you know, maybe difficult to digest, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.
When they're new to you and it's your first time seeing it, like it might be unique and different and at first glance make you uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean that it's evil.
You grab their bottom jaw with your hand, and then you run your left hand into under the gill plate so you don't mess up their gills, and you pull them up.
Well, first you soak them, Jeff does this, he'll soak them in red hot for a little bit in a baggie, like the chunks of them, and then roll them in just flour, and then put them in oil and pull them out, and then put a little bit of garlic salt on them.
Well, he used his 50-yard pin because even though something's very close, what happens is when you are very close to someone, even though it's very close to a target, even though it's counterintuitive, you want to use the more distant pin because it takes a while.
For your arrow to rise up and hit its apex.
So when it comes straight out of the bow, if you try to use like a 20-yard pin, you'll be hitting it very low.
You would think, oh my god, I can't even have the 20-yard pin.
I've got to roll it back even further.
But you don't.
You have to roll it up higher.
Yeah.
I've never done it before.
I've never taken a frontal shot like that either, which is also, you have to really understand what you're doing.
He did it perfect.
You see the arrow, it went right through the animal's heart.
He has a photo on his Instagram of the animal's heart with the arrow poking out of it.
It was the perfect shot.
But that's a deep understanding of not just what pin to use, but of anatomy, when to pull the The trigger, like what to do, you have to be very, very experienced to do what he did there.
Even though it seems like, oh that was so easy, you shot it at two yards, I probably wouldn't have shot it.
I wouldn't have been confident enough, and I might not have I mean, if I don't have a pin that's set at 50 at that moment, what would I do?
When you're making a stalk on an elk and you're playing the wind and you got your boots off because you have to tread over leaves quietly, you're not thinking of anything else.
It cleans your mind of all your stress, all your things.
The only stress you have is of doing what you've trained to do in that moment, that very intense moment.
And when you're at full draw and you're about to execute a shot, the whole world disappears.
The whole world goes away.
There's nothing happening other than those pins on the vitals, staying steady, executing your shot perfectly, making sure there's no movement, everything's just fluid and perfect, and then watching that arrow fly and hearing that whack!
Yeah, you can tell me and my, well, Dusty person, the guy that manages that branch at the Sixes, is who went with me.
And that first, the 5x5, my first shot before that one.
He, like, comes up and the same thing I would have done, Dusty, like, tries to stop him with, like, a whitetail grunt in the video, like, you know, like, you can kind of, I don't know, it was just funny, like, you can just tell that, you know, we're kind of inexperienced in the elk game, but yeah, I mean, it was our first one, so.
That's a whole different kind of hunting, that whitetail hunting.
That is a mind game.
You know, John Dudley and Jocko are right now, they're in Iowa.
And freezing their asses off in a tree stand.
That's a totally different game.
We just climb up in the tree and you wait all day.
You wait all day and you wait many days in a row for this one moment where the deer is close enough.
A deer walks by you.
You just have to just hope that the wind is right and hope that you play it right and hope that they don't see movement.
That's a crazy game because I don't have the patience for it.
I've done it before.
I'll do it again.
It's still fun, but it's a different mental game.
I much prefer stalking, the physical difficulty of getting up the mountains, getting close to them, the fact that you need to be in shape to do all that.
Because there's going to be times you got to get to that mountain quick.
You see them coming around a ridge.
You got to beat them over the side.
If you don't get there in time, you're going to miss that opportunity.
So you have to be fit.
And with the Whitetail Woods, it's totally different.
You're just sitting there.
Just sitting there.
The whole thing is just playing that mind game and not going crazy.
Well, I guarantee you that the nerves that someone must face when you're about to ride a bull or a bucking bronco It's probably as extreme as anything you'll ever face in anything.
So that would, without a doubt, help you with bow hunting.
What I have to say is going to change anybody, but just, like, having listened to, like, I mean, there's some of your podcasts that just, like, me personally have changed my life, you know.
People that have come from really hard places, they have no patience for nonsense.
And they see it coming and like, oh my god, you guys don't even know what you're bringing on to the world with all this crazy communism talk.
You don't even know what you're asking for.
What you're asking for is the horrors of human civilization in its worst forms.
Yeah.
Totalitarian dictatorships that dictate exactly what you could do, exactly what you could say, exactly what you could eat, how you work, what you say, how you behave, what you can dress like.
Well, for some reason, they just don't want to look at her suffering and her story because it interferes with their narrative.
We just haven't done communism right yet.
No one's done it correctly.
What they don't understand is the only way to enforce communism is force.
That's the only way to get people to give up their property and to fall in line and to do everything for the greater good of everyone else.
And it's usually one group of people have mass control of the resources and wealth, which is what communist dictatorships are, and everybody else suffers.
The idea of equality is not equality.
It never works that way.
That's not human nature.
You know, if what you want is like genuine charity from people, what you want is people that contribute to the community and they think about it and they do it voluntarily and it's reinforced by the culture.
That's what you want.
What you don't want is the government telling you that you have to give up most of your money for the greater good of everybody else, because then they just take it.
And that's how it worked in North Korea, and that's how it would work everywhere.
The only way to enforce that kind of life, because it's so unnatural for people to not exist in a true, like...
What people enjoy in life is succeeding, the difficult struggle of trying to do something that's hard to do, and finding your own path, and through that freedom, becoming successful.
A meritocracy.
A real meritocracy, where everybody has a chance.
That's what we should strive for in this country.
Meritocracies.
Not victim mentality, and certainly not communism.
It's a terrible idea.
And it seems like a good idea because why do so many have so much and others have so little?
Well, the problem is the culture is not encouraging the people that have so much to realize that they're so fortunate and to help out in some way.
That would be better.
What's the worst thing is taking from those people and giving it to people who are doing nothing.
Then you're creating this entitlement class.
You're creating this group of people that think that somehow or another people that are successful are evil if other people aren't successful and it's just a way to pit us against each other and that's not what we need in this country.
What we need is people coming together and realizing that we're all one big community And trying to do something for the greater good of the whole community and encouraging people to do better in their own lives.
Encouraging people and giving them the opportunity to work hard and feel that satisfaction of accomplishing something.
But, but so two different questions, like, what do I do?
On that level, but then also what do I do just on the human level of like Making that change or like how do how do you talk about that because it's so divisive to people?
I think you live your life as an excellent example That's what you do.
You live your life and people learn from watching you They learn from I want to live my life the way that guy's living that guy seems fulfilled and happy and he works hard and And it's obviously very satisfying for him.
I want to feel that too.
And through example.
You live your life and you help people through the example of the way you live your life.
That's real, man.
And that's what I get out of very inspirational people.
We talked about Goggins and Cam and Jocko and there's a lot of people like that out there that inspire me.
Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, brilliant people who through their own hard work and dedication have carved out this life and then through their words and their brilliance inspire other people to learn and grow.
It'd be harder to pull off in America than it would a lot of places.
I think America has instilled in us this love of freedom.
And some people, that's one of the reasons why they try to demonize that, because that's very difficult to control people that have this reinforced love of freedom.
And to convince you that it's for the greater good of everyone if we take away your guns, the greater good of everyone if you fall in line, for the greater good of everyone if you pay 90% in taxes, the greater good of everyone if you do this, if you do that.
And ultimately it's not.
It's for the greater good of the people that are in control.
And it seems like every time they make those decisions, the world just gets worse.
It doesn't get more equitable and fair.
It gets fucking worse.
It gets worse.
The economy gets worse.
The people struggle more.
It's not good.
What we need to do is figure out a way to give people more opportunity to succeed.
Not to just give people things.
That's human nature.
That's what makes people happy people.
What makes people happy people is teaching them how to live their life and allowing them to live their life in a way that gives them the maximum amount of freedom and the most amount of satisfaction.
I guess I asked that, like I said, like my dad died 10 years ago, like two months before my first video, which was funny because he was the reason that it started, you know, but, and then there was just like this gap where I was like, oh man, I gotta, like, I've got to become a man now.
And it means like, I've got to make decisions that are going to affect me and there'll be people looking to me like, well, how are you going to decide on this?
And I get to set the tone.
And there's certain things, you know, like my faith that are easy for me to make decisions on, on like what I would do in certain instances.
But then there's other things, like as an American, and that's what makes me ask that question, just like, how far do you take this or that?
And that's where, like, listening to you talk about it on this podcast, listening to Marcus talk about it, you know?
Like, I've had to look outside of myself to make decisions on what kind of man, what kind of American I'm going to be.
And that's what made me ask that question.
Like, I guess...
You know, I just kind of looked to my dad on a lot of things and, like, default to him.
And then him dying was just—it tested everything.
I had to go back and, like—not that I thought he was wrong, but just, like, start over in a way and just, like, reevaluate and— Got to figure it out for yourself.
Figure it out for myself because if I'm willing to die for it, Then I better be pretty damn sure.
Right.
And I don't know, sometimes I think people might say that.
And they're not willing to die for it.
It's just sexy and fun and they jump on a bandwagon.
But I'm kind of more like, man, I better be careful because if I do go down this route, that's what I mean.
I don't think that's going to be a problem in this country.
I hope not.
But my real fear is that if a tragedy happens, if some sort of an attack happens, some sort of a horrific event happens, Then they start clamping down on people because that's what they did right after 9-11.
They passed the Patriot Act and the NDAA. That's where things get sketchy.
When things get sketchy is they take advantage of something that happens and then they clamp down on people more.
In order to protect you and keep you safe, you got to give away some freedom.
And that is just not the way to go.
It took a long time to create something like America.
You know, and when you really need that, when you really need to protect your family, that's when you realize why the Second Amendment exists.
You know, it's very...
When you don't need it, and it's not a concern in your life, and it's never something that you've had to deal with, you could easily brush aside the idea that that's important, the ability to defend yourself.
And it's like that jujitsu for me, that one in 10 year, one in 20 year, maybe never happened at all.
Like, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it because it's about a 20 minute, before the cops can get to my house, it's like 20 minutes.