Shane Dorian and Joe Rogan dive into Dorian’s knee recovery—using his patellar tendon split into thirds for ACL/MCL repairs and 280 million hypoxic stem cells (umbilical cord-derived) to heal joints, spine, and discs. Dorian’s vitamin D deficiency, despite outdoor exposure, led to enzyme supplements, while Rogan defends carnivore diets and genetic short-sleep traits. They contrast bow hunting’s psychological intensity with rifle reliability, citing Hawaii’s axis deer overpopulation crisis and venison’s nutrient density. The conversation shifts to the fentanyl epidemic—23% of seized powder now contains xylazine—and pharmaceutical industry influence, linking suppressed drug-safety debates to school shootings and past scandals like Vioxx. Dorian’s concussion-induced brain fog improved with TRT, EEG therapy, and stem cells, while Rogan critiques processed foods, glyphosate exposure, and endocrine disruptors, advocating regenerative agriculture and data-driven health optimization as solutions to modern medical oversights. [Automatically generated summary]
In the last last three months, four months, been to Mexico twice, El Salvador once, California four or five times, Indonesia for a month, Tahiti, France, Mexico.
So you were saying that was the turning point, like the ways to well, like that you were, that this is what one of the things that really pushed you over the edge where it really felt like it was healing.
My left knee was in agony for a long time because they have to saw the fucking piece out of the bone and the piece out of the bone of your shin and screw the both of them in place.
And I remember thinking, I just looked down as I was throwing them in the trash and thinking, man, there's probably people outside right now that would like do something terrible for those painkillers.
I feel like you're either like in one group or the other, where like your body really loves pain or your brain, I guess, really loves painkillers or really doesn't.
So the protocol with these specific stem cells, like because they, you know, sort of live so long in your body, the first two weeks is basically nothing.
It's like maybe 15 minutes of like walking per day.
And then after that, you work with a physical therapist and you have very specific physical therapy.
So it's like a lot of like stabilization stuff.
Like I did my spine.
So I was talking to Nikki Hind, who's my physical therapist.
And so she's creating like a physical therapy schedule and program for me based around my spine.
And she told me that she's worked with some people who have had intense stem cell therapies.
And it's like a pretty crazy opportunity to kind of, you have like a second chance.
like at this age with my spine to like really change it the way the way it is.
So I'm pretty excited about that.
I have some like degeneration and some some bulging discs in my lower lower back.
And then I have some my upper upper back, my cervical spine is pretty fucked up from all the surfing wipeouts I've had.
Yeah, like falling off a 60-foot wave and hitting the surface of the water, that impact with the water like moving at 30 miles an hour and you go in the other direction.
And they re, you know, like they regrow tissue, they regrow ligaments.
And so where there's been a lot of wearing down, a lot of times it'll regrow that.
So I did my MRIs before my treatment and then I'll go back six months from now and get updated MRIs.
They're really good about the data.
So they want to see your progress.
So the doctor will go over you with your new MRI six months from now and compare them exactly to the previous MRI and go, hey, here's where your knee was or here's where your discs were and here's where they are now.
And so they tried, you know, that's the goal, right?
And is a part of the thing with not exercising at all, just make sure that you don't do any breaking down of the body while it's going through this process of accepting the stem cells?
So my understanding is, so in your body, like the way an injury or like a torn ligament or a torn rotator cuff shows up in your body, it's just inflammation.
And inflammation is like basically like a magnet for stem cells.
So the stem cells go exactly where they're needed in your body.
They're really smart.
So the stem cells were injected straight into the joints and into the areas of my body.
So what you don't want to do is create inflammation that wasn't there already because you want your stem cells to go to your inflammation that you already had before, right?
So you want it to heal your body where you need it the most.
So you don't want to, like if I went like running 15 miles right now, my stem cells get confused and trying to go to my calves to try to try to repair that muscle soreness because that's inflammation.
And so you don't want to do that.
And you don't want to decrease inflammation either when you get stem cells, which is interesting.
And like, unless, obviously, unless you have pain.
So in your knees or something, you get pain.
Because the stem cells are like really active in your body.
So like if you get knee pain, it could like it could flare up because of the stem cells.
But if you're not having that, then you can walk a lot.
And then I'll be able to do like resistance training with bands and stuff like fairly soon, like probably like four weeks from now.
And then, but it's difficult, you know, like at my age, I'm 51 and for like 18 months, I've been pretty on it, like trying to be fit, trying to get my fitness better, really trying to get in shape.
So yeah, it's, it really makes you appreciate it, though, once, once you do get it back.
Like once if you do get out of shape and then you get back in shape, you realize how hard it is.
That's one of the reasons why I'm so fanatical about working out because I know that when I've gotten out of shape, that road back is a lot different at 56, which is how old I am, versus 30 or 25.
One thing I did learn, and I'm trying to keep this in mind when I'm sort of being a baby about all the thing about not working out.
Your muscles have a really strong memory.
So if you're really fit and then all of a sudden you go through a period like I'm going through right now where I'm probably going to get unfit for a little bit, it'll come back much faster back to kind of exactly where you were before really quickly because your muscles have memory.
So I definitely have heard that before and it definitely makes sense, you know, that your body recognizes like, oh, this is a place that we've been before.
We have a memory of this.
So we'll just get back to where that is.
And just because to get someone who's one of the things that drives me crazy is that people that are really out of shape that have never worked out and they're like, I got to get into shape.
And like, okay, do you know what you're saying?
Like, you don't don't like, I have a friend of mine who's overweight and he's been talking to me about exercise and just like, I'm worried about being sore.
I go, listen, man, if you all have these friends, yeah, I go, if you want to do this, I go, I will work out with you.
And I promise you, you will barely get sore because I'm not going to make you, we will work out for maybe 20 minutes.
And he goes, why just 20 minutes?
I go, because you're not doing anything right now.
Like, you shouldn't, if you try to do what I do every day, your body's going to tear apart.
Like, you'll blow your shoulders out.
You'll ruin your knees.
What we want to do is just slowly build you up.
What I'll have you do is just do like five push-ups, five body weight squats, five sit-ups, take a break, relax.
I'll show you some stuff that we can do with bands.
I'll give you some different exercises that we could do with kettlebells.
Very light, just clean press.
I'll just have a couple of things that you do, some swings.
And we'll work out for maybe 20 minutes and then stop.
And then I want to see how you feel the next day.
And then I'm going to get you in the cold plunge.
I'm going to get you in the sauna.
And then in two days, we'll do it again.
And if we do it again, it's still the same thing.
Very light, 20 minutes.
And I would do that.
And I told him, I will do that with you for a couple weeks before I have you really straining hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't want you hurting yourself because so many people, they try to make up for years of abuse.
And they try to just jump right back in and fucking run a marathon.
But don't do that.
You need to, your body is out of shape.
Like it's got, it's got, you have no muscle tissue.
You're surrounded by fat.
Like we got to build it back nice and slow, the same way it got sick.
I feel like people really tend to overestimate how much you have to train to like the like the duration per day, right?
Like exactly what you said, like your friend, that misconception of like, oh, I need to work out an hour every single day and the person's totally obese or something like that.
You don't need to at all.
Yeah.
You know, and consistency is way more important than even intensity.
Well, that's one of the things that the Russians figured out with wrestling that instead of these like unbelievably brutal, intense workouts like the American wrestlers were doing, what they were doing was very high volume technical work over long periods of time, like several hours per day.
And they were training multiple days, like almost every day a week, but not high intensity all the time.
And they were developing a far greater array of skills.
Their skill, the skill improvement was greater.
And then overall fitness was also getting great too, because you weren't breaking yourself down and then forcing yourself to work out with a broken down body.
They were doing it the correct way.
But the correct way and the tough guy way are very different things.
Like the tough guy way is fuck it.
Just fucking grind, get in there and push.
And that's that's a good mentality, sorta.
But you can trip yourself up with that because you literally put too much of a demand on your body than your body's capable of meeting.
Like your mind can be tougher than the actual physical physical ability of your body to recover and move.
And now I'm realizing, at least for my goals now, like my goal with working out now is like specifically for so I can continue doing the things I love to do as long as possible.
I mean, I've tried a bunch of different diets, but for me, there's a lot of benefits to this carnivore diet.
And one of the biggest ones, because I do this for a living, right?
So one of the biggest ones is the cognitive benefits.
There's some giant difference between your body running on ketones, which is essentially what it runs on when you're running on just fats and protein, versus your body running on sugar, carbs, and pasta and bread.
That stuff would make me crash and I would feel dull.
Like my mind would feel dull.
And when I started back on the carnivore diet, one of the first things that I noticed almost immediately is that I had an extra gear verbally.
I get an extra gear cognitively.
Like, oh, my mind is forming sentences better.
Like, it's quicker.
I'm more in tune with conversations, which obviously because I do this for a living, it's fucking so critical.
I would stay on this diet just for that.
Just for that.
But then the other benefits are my energy levels are completely flat throughout the day.
And so what I do is I'll cook up on the Traeger, I'll cook up like a few elk roasts for the week.
And then I buy like four or five jars of that primal mayonnaise at a time and I'll just scoop it onto a plate and I'll just dip slices of cold elk into there.
Like I came home last night from the comedy club at 1.30 in the morning and that's what I ate.
I just ate a big plate of elk and some primal kitchen mayonnaise and watched YouTube.
So when I, if I, that's why I like that primal kitchen mayonnaise stuff.
Or when I cook elk, what I'll do is most of the time I will slow cook it on the Traeger at like 265 until it reaches an internal temperature about like 115 or so.
The real problem is there's a giant issue that people have with processed foods.
And when you talk about like, there's a bunch of goofy epidemiology studies that talk about how meat increases urate of cancer.
But the way those studies work is someone will fill out a form.
Like, how many days a week do you eat meat?
And I eat meat six days a week.
And what they don't ask is, what kind of meat?
Are you eating a jack-in-the-box cheeseburger?
Do you have any fries with that?
Do you have a shake?
Do you have soda?
Like, there's a bunch of other things that people do eat.
So there's a thing called healthy user bias, right?
So if you're someone who says, like, I don't eat any meat, and I'm well, well, you're probably listening to a lot.
You're probably trying to do the right thing for your health.
So you're listening to what would be like mainstream conventional doctor's wisdom on diet, which is almost certainly off.
Because most of these doctors that are talking about these, they're not up on the latest studies.
They're not like Huberman or Lane Norton or any of these.
If you really want to know what's good for you and what's bad for you, I always say, listen to jacked scientists.
Like, those are the guys that are going to tell you.
Like, these are the foods that are actually good for you.
These are the foods that almost everyone agrees.
Sugar is terrible for you.
Sugar, breads, pastas.
And then you get into the more controversial areas of seed oils.
Seed oils, which essentially were initially, they were initially invented to be industrial lubricants for machinery.
And they figured out, have you ever seen the process where they take like canola oil, which like you think of as like, oh, canola must be foreign, must be healthy?
No, it's rape seed, which is a that word people don't like.
Like rapeseed?
What the fuck is that thing?
I don't want to have nothing to do with that plant.
Well, that's what canola oil is.
And then there's like saffral flower oil and sunflower oil.
Like for some people, like if you're only sleeping four hours, but your job is very engaging and very intense, and there's a lot of adrenaline, you're fired up.
Like at the end of that day, you're probably going to crash hard, but you might be able to pull it off and keep going.
But if you have like some fucking paperwork job and you only slept like four hours, you're going to be yawning and falling asleep.
After 10 years search, scientists find second short sleep gene.
After a decade of searching, UC San Francisco scientists who identified the only human gene known to produce natural short sleep, lifelong nightly sleep that lasts just four to six hours, yet leaves individuals feeling fully rested, have discovered a second.
It says, before we identified the first short sleep gene, people really weren't thinking about sleep duration in genetic terms.
Said Ying-Hu Fu, PhD professor of neurology and member of the UCSF whale, how do you say that?
Wheel?
Wheel?
Wheel Institute for Neurosciences.
Foo led the research teams that discovered both short sleep genes, the newest of which is described in a paper published August 28, 2019, the Journal of Neuron.
According to Foo, many scientists once thought that certain sleep behaviors couldn't be studied genetically.
Sleep can be difficult to study using the tools of human genetics because people use alarms, coffee, and pills to alter their natural sleep cycles, she said.
These sleep disruptions, the thinking went, made it difficult for researchers to distinguish between people who naturally sleep for less than six hours and those who do so only with the aid of an artificial stimulant.
And natural short sleepers remained a mystery until 2009 when a study concluded, conducted rather, by Foo's team discovered that people who had inherited a particular mutation in a gene called DEC2 averaged only 6.25 hours of sleep per night.
Study participants lacking the mutation averaged 8.06 hours.
The finding provided the first conclusive evidence that natural short sleep is, at least in some cases, genetic, but this mutation is rare.
So while it helped explain some natural short sleepers, it couldn't account for all of them.
My go-to when I'm working out, Joe, is I'll go on Spotify and I'll search Jocko, Goggins, Rogan, Jim Motivation.
And they'll have these snippets from different YouTube videos of your show when you're having someone on and you're getting psyched or Goggins saying you're a bitch if you don't work out harder, whatever it is.
And then, like, Jocko, like, saying a bunch of stuff, and it's like this hyper-motivational stuff.
And then I'll listen to that as I'm working out.
I swear, for sure, it's like maybe 30, 40% difference in my output.
It's crazy how what you listen to through your headphones can completely change the way your brain's thinking and just give you more output physically.
It has to be my elbow, make sure it's up in the air and not like this.
You know, there's like so many, like you have to like, I have to think the bubble has to be leveled.
Make sure the housing is centered in the peep site.
And you're going through all this while you're in this like high-pressure situation where this fucking massive elk of a lifetime is standing in front of you at 50 yards.
And then you got to put the pin on its vitals, then your nerves are going, so you got to make sure you're centering that pin and make sure that pin's not moving too much.
And then the shot breaks perfect.
But when it does happen and you hear that whack and then the elk runs off.
And in this case, in California, my elk died in literally 10 seconds.
It was the fastest I've ever had an elk die.
It was a perfect quartering away shot.
So it shot through the ribs like a little back.
So, you know, you know, quartering away shot.
What that means, folks, is instead of the animal standing completely sideways, it's slightly facing away.
So it's looking away from you slightly, which is actually a much better shot because then you're going through like three and a half, four feet of body cavity with a broad head.
So I'm totally not opposed to rifle hunting at all.
I think rifles are great for filling the freezer and totally ethical hunting.
But for you, that rifle hunt sometimes and bow hunt sometimes, the feeling of making the perfect archery shot on a bull elk and the feeling of seeing that arrow go through the air and hit it exactly where you aimed and that elk going down in 10 seconds, it's a different feeling.
It's much, much, much, much, much more difficult because you can have a very ethical shot on a deer with a rifle at 200 yards where the deer might not have any idea you're even there.
So if you, especially if you're prone, so if you have a pack and you rest your rifle on the pack and you're lying down in your stomach and you breathe out and relax, that bullet is flying so straight.
If your rifle is zeroed and you look at the reticle and you get those crosshairs perfectly on the vitals, that's a dead deer.
100%.
Whereas with bow hunting, you've got wind, you've got all sorts of shit going on, and you have to get so close that you're within the animal's senses.
Like when I crept up on this elk that I shot last week, I wore two pairs of wool socks.
I took my shoes off so I could creep in because he was bedded.
Yeah, because when you get nerved, it all depended upon how calm you can stay.
And one of the things is certain people like yourself are very good at being calm in high pressure situations because you've done so many high pressure things.
You know, when you're big wave surfing, I've got to imagine, I've seen some of the fucking waves you ride.
And you got to keep your shit together and you're balancing yourself out on the forces of nature of millions of pounds of water that's working at an insane rate.
There's insane forces.
And you got to keep your shit together while you're on that.
So it makes sense to me why so many surfers get into bow hunting because it's another way that you can kind of stay calm in an insanely pressure-filled situation.
Now, if you're a regular guy who maybe like played baseball in high school or something like that, you don't have any real pressure situation.
The battle to overcome fear or pressure in the moment is huge.
And that's why I love bow hunting.
That's why I love it.
That moment when there's that elk and you know that this is your time.
This is your window.
And every single thing that you've done in the last six months, every shot that you've taken, every target you've worn out is just critical on that specific moment.
And you have to keep mentally, you know, calm, like you said, and in the zone.
And you see that arrow hit exactly where you aimed in that pressure cooker situation.
There's nothing like it.
I never thought I'd find something like that besides like surfing really big waves.
And a lot of athletes, like Derek Wolf, who played for the NFL, he's found a great relief and a great discipline in bow hunting.
And he's like really dived full into it.
But it's like that's a thing for a lot of folks.
A lot of veterans that return back.
That's a thing that really helps them assimilate and just find some new thing that's like this discipline that they can high pressure.
And also for me, when I'm sitting down and I'm eating a meal and I'm cooking a meal for my family and we're all sitting there eating, like this is something that I got myself.
I harvested this myself.
And so there's an intense connection with your food.
And it's the best meat in the world, the best protein in the world.
I really love seeing it on your Instagram that you eat your wild game all the time.
I actually know hunters that like, especially when I first started hunting, it was kind of rare, like amongst my hunting friend group to actually make their own game.
It just, they just love bow hunting, but it wasn't like they, it was like the meat part was a huge part of it.
Like my wife eats Axis deer twice a day.
She eats it at lunch and she eats it at dinner almost every day.
It's kind of wild.
Even when I'm not even home, she cooks it for my kids.
You know, Axis Deer has got just like, it's this beautiful, like amazing, renewable resource, especially where you live, that you literally have to kill them.
When's the last time you made yourself an elk steak and you got halfway through and you weren't hungry enough for the rest and just threw the rest in the trash?
If you're trying to get fit and you're working out and you're trying to eat really, really good, nutritious food, if you're eating venison, man, crazy results.
I go to one of the things that I also find is that you really need practice.
Like you don't want your first shot of the year on a live animal to be an elk that's like a 350 elk in Utah that's going through the wood and you got a small gap to shoot it.
There's a friend of mine who has a friend of mine, my friend Tyler, shout out to Archery Country, best bow shop in the world.
It's out here in Austin.
We go to, there's a hunting lease that he has, and we go out there, and it's fucking swarming with pigs.
And, you know, you can practice on pigs.
You get this amazing meat from those pigs, and you can get those shots in, which I think are critical.
There's so many bases you have to cover if you want to be a successful bow hunter.
And one of the things I should shout out is Joel Turner, because this shot IQ system that Joel Turner has developed, he's a sniper, and he worked with SWAT teams, and he developed, he was trying to figure out what is it about these high-pressure situations that cause people to flinch and panic and get target panic and fuck up shots.
And especially in a hostage situation, like with a sniper, it's insanely important that you keep your shit together because you might have to make a headshot on someone who has a knife to a hostage.
Yeah, and having a process, I think the biggest thing is just even if your process isn't perfect, having a process to think about instead of the instead of thinking about the pressure, start thinking about that moment.
When you're just sitting there at full draw and you're like, hey, pin on the animal, get my anchor really good, look at the bubble, okay, first pin for sure, or third pin for sure.
He's at 50, it's a third pin or whatever it is.
Having that process and then high elbow, pull through, pull through the shot, and then like, you know, and follow the arrow.
Yeah.
Follow through.
Yeah.
It's, I think just having that process and like really talking to yourself in that, in that pressure cooker moment is the way for sure.
There's all these non-hunters listening to this, like, whoa, that's really messed up.
But he goes, like, think about it, like, psychologically.
That's what you're doing in that moment.
And you got to like really embrace that instead of hoping, instead of coming from a perspective of hope, like, oh, I hope that arrow gets there in the right spot.
I hope I don't mess this up.
It's like, it's like that confirmation in your mind telling yourself that this is what you're doing here.
This is the intention.
The arrow's going to go there.
And that's what's going to happen.
And believing instead of hoping, you know, that's the difference.
But the way he said it was interesting.
But he's like, it's powerful, honestly.
He's like, he's like, so having a process and being super confident that all the work is paying off in the moment, you're going to make that shot is key.
I'm not the person to talk politics, but that, I mean, or, you know, you know, international military strategy, but I just watching the news and trying not to and just trying.
And it's funny because I, I, um, I mean, I've always known about Israel and Palestine just from what I hear on the news and like just sort of hearing, like kind of understanding on the most surface level.
And it wasn't until now, age 51, where I was actually, I've been watching, like listening to podcasts, watching documentaries, trying to like educate myself and like figure out what this conflict, how it came to be, what the history was.
And it's the more I try to learn about it, the more complicated it seems.
I would be at home and just go through the news feed and read some stories and then everyone in my house be asleep and I'd be awake and I'd just going, fuck.
Is this the last days of normal civilization?
Because every movie where we ascend into the apocalypse or descend into the apocalypse, that's how it starts.
It's like, you know, there's normal life, dropping your kids off at school.
Bye, honey.
I love you.
And then hours later, sirens, bombs, power's off, no water, no food.
People are struggling.
It's just like, if nuclear bombs start going off, the world will be unrecognizable.
We will be right back to barbaric Stone Age monsters in a matter of months, a matter of weeks, days even.
There's no power, no food, no nothing.
You know, there's the fucking border's been invaded by hundreds of thousands of illegals.
How many of them are militants?
How many of them have snuck in across the border and are forming terror cells?
I've been in California a lot the last few months.
It's insane how many more people are just obviously all of a sudden just appearing, like getting dropped off on like street corners with buses, literally, just in the middle of nowhere.
They literally just get off the off the bus with a cell phone.
They think by allowing the borders to be porous and by giving people aid and giving people housing that you're essentially guaranteeing that if you can rig it so that those people are allowed to vote, those people are going to vote Democratic.
And if you could say that, oh, voter ID is racist, like what?
It's all political horseshit, but that's unfortunately the level of discourse that we have today, especially with all the virtue signaling on social media and all the people clamoring to prove that they're the most progressive and the most open-minded and equitable.
Also, if you're importing people that have come from horrible, crime-ravaged parts of the world, that's what they grew up with.
That's what they're accustomed to.
And if you also have a defunding of the police and you also have a complete disrespect for law enforcement in this country, you're going to, it's a recipe for disaster.
And they're seeing on the news thousands and thousands and thousands of people walking across straight into the U.S. and getting all these incredible things in return for doing it.
Like I would be wanting to come here too if I was from some fucked up country.
I would 100% be one of those people making their way across.
If I lived in Guatemala or wherever, all I had to do was like hike for a couple of weeks and I could be in America and get a landscaping job and feed my family.
Well, it became a political talking point during the Trump administration because people wanted to label Trump as racist and they wanted to label the wall as racist.
And everybody that I know, like my military friends that have gone down there and visited, like Tim Kennedy is always telling me, you've got to go down there.
Go back to that article that you were just posting.
This is the DA message about the market.
Xylazine is making the deadliest drug threat in our country that our country has ever faced.
Fentanyl, even deadlier.
Said Administrator Milgram.
Milgram.
DEA sees xylosine and fentanyl mixtures in 48 of 50 states.
The DEA laboratory system is reporting that in 2022, apparently, approximately rather, 23% of fentanyl powder and 7% of fentanyl pills seized by the DEA contain xylosine.
I have a weird, I don't know if obsession is the right word, but I like watching like drug documentaries and like interviews with like drug addicts and like, you know, DEA agents, like all that kind of stuff is just kind of fascinating to me because I don't have a drug problem.
And it's just interesting to me how people like will choose to go down that road over and over and over, even though it just seems like the worst thing ever.
But the addicts, when they talk about being on fentanyl, they'll choose the xylosine now with the fentany because it's much better.
And they know they're going to die from it like really soon.
And they keep choosing it.
It's pretty wild.
And if you're a heroin addict, you can't even find heroin these days.
Well, it's certainly better than not testing it and taking it.
Obviously, the best thing would be to don't take any drugs.
But, you know, especially when kids are drinking, you're fucking, all your judgment goes out the window.
You're not thinking straight.
You're drunk.
And then someone offers Coke and there's peer pressure.
And you're like, I'll try it.
And then next thing you know, you're dead.
You know, if there was a method of testing, and I know they use that a lot at Raves, because that was one of the issues at Raves, was that people were buying MDMA and that was laced with fentanyl.
And they wind up overdosing with that.
Yeah.
That's fucking scary shit, man.
Also, parents are sending their kids Narcon or Narcan to help them survive an overdose.
I have kids, so these are things that are like totally on the front burner for me.
Like, to me, I'm never sending my kids to a party with test kits.
That's not like that's, I feel like talking to them from a super young age, totally having super transparent, heart-to-heart talks with them about friends that I've had that thought they were getting one drug and it was laced with this shit that is completely deadly and dropping dead.
Just drugs are different, man.
They're not how it was when we were kids.
When we were kids, like people would experiment.
It was completely normal.
Like, I feel like those days are over in some aspects, you know?
Well, the real problem, and this is a very uncomfortable discussion, but the real problem is that drug prohibition has made criminals the only source of drugs.
And if you make drugs legal, all drugs legal, you're going to have a bunch of people that are doing drugs that wouldn't do drugs if they were illegal.
So you have that problem.
And so how do you mitigate that?
How long does it take for the dust settles and life normalizes?
Because if you think about the prohibition in the United States, prohibition of alcohol in the United States propped up the mob.
Everybody knows that.
It's a fact.
It's widely, openly discussed.
The only people that were selling the alcohol were the people that were criminals.
They made a shitload of money.
They amassed massive power because of that.
And they used it.
They used it to control cities.
Until they got infiltrated and the mob got broken up, for a long time, they reaped the rewards of the power that they started to develop during prohibition.
And that's exactly what you're seeing with the cartels.
The reason why the cartels have so much power is because there's so much demand for illegal drugs in the United States.
There's always going to be a certain lost segment of our population that wants escape reality with some fucking hardcore shit that puts them in a trance.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of homeless people, homeless fentanyl zombies all over these like big city blocks, like thousands of them, like, you know, slumped over.
Have you seen that when they get slumped over?
That's the trank.
So that's a tranquilizer thing.
So they get super high and they're tranquilizer.
So they basically are they don't fall, but they swing.
Well, they didn't have the same opioid crisis that we had caused by the Sackler family and what they did with the OxyContin pills where they just made, you know, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people addicts in this country.
The most fascinating part, I think, about that series was, I mean, there were so many fascinating things about that series, but there was a window of time where no one knew what it was, what OxyContin was.
No one knew.
Just had his name and it made you feel good.
And it took your pain away and took you out of whatever stress you were feeling.
Now, now we know about it.
There's kind of no excuse now for the kids coming up that are educated, like, hey, opioids, they're fucking deadly.
You know, OxyContin, all these opioids, like any of these opioids are like highly addictive.
They're pretty much all going to kill you or lead you down this horrible road to something horrible.
But there was a window of time where literally no one knew what that stuff was.
I remember it went through my whole, not my whole, but a group of my friends all got hooked on that junk like right away when no one knew what OxyContin was.
Yeah, well, that documentary, that series, the Netflix series, Painkiller, is absolutely terrifying because it shows you how corrupt the system is and how they were able to prescribe this and make this thing and pass it where it can be prescribed to people.
Where when we were kids, when I was a kid, no one did heroin.
It wasn't like an issue.
Like, if someone's doing heroin, that guy's off the rails.
Like they were starting to look at doctors, like especially after those documentaries came out in those docuseries.
What was the other one called?
Dope.
Because doctors were like all of a sudden on board with this whole prescription thing and over-prescribing like crazy and like buying it hook, line, and sink or whatever those pharma companies were telling them.
And then that, and then with the whole COVID thing, it just accelerated that whole distrust of, I feel like that's a really sad thing.
When I was a kid, you just trusted your doctors implicitly.
I would call a doctor, my personal doctor, and ask them anything and believe anything they said.
These days, if I have a broken arm, I'm going to go to the doctor.
If I have something super specific, I'll go to the doctor.
Well, I mean, it's kind of ironic that that's literally how they made Trump by constantly reporting on the stupid things that he would say and the ridiculous things that he would say.
They would think they were getting him, but all they were doing was giving him more attention.
And all they were doing is making him bigger, making his profile bigger.
And every time they attacked him, he just got bigger.
And now that people have a distrust in media, now it works even the opposite way.
Like it's even more ridiculous, rather.
Like no one trusts them anymore.
So anytime they say anything, people go, what's really going on?
It was crazy to see that during COVID where they basically had to all comply or else and it was like real.
They got in so much trouble if they didn't.
It was insane.
And you're right.
That's the biggest difference.
Like they, they, thank God, that's, that's, that's really the only difference.
And I have a couple Australian friends that said that, like older, really intelligent Australian friends that were like, dude, the most important thing you have in America is the Second Amendment.
Because the freedom of speech backed by the Second Amendment.
And people don't want to believe that.
And they want to point to school shootings.
But here's another thing they want to point to when it comes to school shootings.
What about the instances of psychotropic drugs that are used by people who turn out to be school shooters?
Is there a correlation?
Is there a causation?
And nobody wants to discuss that.
That's another thing that never gets discussed on mainstream media because of the fact that they're all compromised by the pharmaceutical drug companies.
There's a huge number of these people that commit these mass atrocities that are on psychiatric drugs.
Now, is it because they were already sick, already crazy, and that's what caused them to do that?
Perhaps.
Is it because a lot of these disassociatives and a lot of these SSRIs and all these different things cause people to think and behave in very bizarre ways?
The fact that it's not being investigated, that's not being discussed.
And if you bring it up, you're a fucking loon.
That to me is crazy.
And that's the weirdest thing that the mainstream media has done to try to control a narrative, specifically to protect their interest because they are being funded by the pharmaceutical drug companies.
And it's not for the greater good of anybody, including the people that run the pharmaceutical drug companies.
Look, there's drugs that they should sell that are great.
They produce drugs that save people's lives, that help people.
It's not like demonizing the pharmaceutical drug industry.
It's not them.
It's the people that run the companies that are money people.
The money people just want to make money.
We had the guy's name that litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies for Viox.
Do you remember his name?
One of the things, Viox was an anti-inflammatory, similar to ibuprofen, but caused horrible side effects.
A friend of mine had a stroke when he was on it, and it killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 to 60,000 Americans.
So John Abramson just, this is Joe Rogan's New Year's Eve tutorial on corporate crime in the pharmaceutical industry.
So this was the drug.
John Abramson, he's the author of the new book, Sickening, How Big Pharma Broke American Healthcare and How He Can Repair It.
And he's a lecturer at Harvard Medical School and the author of a 2004 book, Overdosed America, The Broken Promise of American Medicine.
And the way he described their internal conversations about these drugs is absolutely terrifying because it's the money people, the people that are just looking at their baseline profits, the responsibility they have to their shareholders, and what they need to do to constantly make more money.
Their job is to always make more money.
And they're willing to do really awful shit and push things that aren't even effective, don't even work any better than ibuprofen.
And they're willing to push this stuff on people and tell them, hey, you got arthritis, we got a cure.
And I feel like a lot of times when people have mental health issues and they go and seek help, a lot of times they get put on drugs like immediately without other, and nowadays there's a lot of other options.
There's brain treatment, there's like hallucinogenics that they're doing.
There's a lot of different options now.
And I feel like the pharmaceutical option should be maybe the last option in some situations.
I think it's starting to emerge, though, in some of these clinics that are like alternative mental health type of places.
I've been doing, I think I talked to you about this in the past, but I've been doing like a bit of brain treatment.
So like years ago when I was surfing a lot of really big waves, I had kind of a cluster of concussions.
Over like a six-year period, I had five really bad concussions.
They were all like pretty close to each other.
And a couple of them were really, really bad.
Anyway, I started noticing some kind of mental health issues.
Not super bad and not extreme, but it was starting to creep in.
Like my mood started kind of going downhill.
I started seeing that I was kind of getting more and more pessimistic.
Didn't like being around people even more so.
And like I'm kind of, I'm not the most social person, but I started like having like anxiety about going in like big groups of people, hanging out with big groups of people, going to like public functions, stuff like that would really freak me out.
Now I was also getting pretty like mentally sloppy, like a lot of brain fog.
My mental clarity was getting worse and worse.
I was being super forgetful.
Anyway, I met a guy who has like a brain treatment center in California.
So I went and got an EEG, it's called.
So they measure like your brain function, your brain activity.
And they get like all this data about your brain.
And then I had some brain treatment.
And then they sent me a, I got this at-home brain treatment machine.
Basically, I put this thing on my head in the mornings.
Yeah, it has electrical pulses that goes through and into your brain and stimulates brain activity.
Anyway, I hadn't had my EEG done in a long, long time.
And I was just in California.
And I was really curious because I can, so my machine at home is programmed.
Its protocol is just for my brain, specifically for my brain based off my EEG.
And so I wanted to get a new EEG updated so I can update my protocol at home so it works on my brain how it is now instead of how it was two years ago.
I didn't know if there was a difference or not.
So I got an EEG the other day, talked to a neuroscience for like half an hour on a Zoom call.
He walked me through my chart for my EEG two years ago, my chart now.
And he's like, what have you been doing?
And I'm like, oh, I've had some, you know, I have a machine at home doing my brain treatment, but I'm never home.
I don't do that much.
And he was like, is there anything else that could like make your brain better?
Because we're seeing significant improvements in your brain function.
It is wild.
That is wild.
And I've noticed it.
I've noticed like more mental clarity, better mood.
And I've done a couple of different things.
I told him about the stem cell treatment, but it was right before that.
So I don't think that there was a correlation between my current stem cell treatment and this EEG.
And he's like, what else have you been doing?
And I told him, I started TRT just over a year ago.
And after I started TRT, I felt a significant improvement in my mood and my mental clarity and my energy.
Well, that is one of the things that happens with concussions, especially multiple concussions, is it damages your endocrine system, damages the pituitary gland, which is apparently very sensitive.
And my good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who's done a lot of work on traumatic brain injuries with veterans and with football players and fighters, they've found that a significant number of them suffer from low testosterone and low hormones because their brain is just not producing them correctly anymore because it's been damaged.
And by replenishing those with testosterone replacement therapy and hormone replacement therapy, they've alleviated a lot of the problems that people had.
Suicidal idealation, a lot of significant depression issues that they've been able to mitigate with hormone replacement.
With stem cells, with TRT, with the understanding of nutrition and with this brain machine that you're using, these treatments, we're in a good time for that.
Like my good friend Steve Graham, he was on the U.S. ski team in the 1980s.
And he had, I mean, he's had some fucking, I don't want to butcher this.
I think he's had 70 surgeries over his whole life.
He's had his shoulders replaced.
He's got two artificial knees, like everything.
But his legs, like the size of his legs, are just covered in scars from these old school surgeries where they would open you up like a fish and take a chunk of your hamstring and fucking drill it in place and it would last for a little while and blow out and you have to go in and do it again.
If they had modern knee reconstruction like they have today, where they put a cadaver graft in there, they fix it.
Crazy.
They're even able to do cadaver meniscus now, which is crazy.
Like I'm missing meniscus on my left knee.
I had a pretty significant tear of my left meniscus.
So they took us, it was like called a bucket handle tear where I had the ACL reconstructed in 94, I think.
And then in 2003, I believe, they scooped out the meniscus because it was just, they tried to sew it back together, but it kept tearing and then it would lock up.
So it folds over and locks in place and my knee would lock and it's agonizing.
So the only way that they fix that is they would just cut out the meniscus.
So now I'm missing a chunk of meniscus.
So the knee is kind of compromised.
It's like a little wobbly and every now and then it swells, but at least it's functional.
Like I can deal with a little discomfort if my knee's functional.
You know, so the knee, the structure of the knee is very solid.
It's very strong.
I can do all kinds of things.
My hike through the mountains.
I can kick the bag.
But I have to deal with like a little bit of pain, discomfort.
But now they're able to, they can do grafts where they'll take meniscus, but it's generally only effective for people that are like 40 and under.
I think that's the age.
I think as you get older, it becomes more and more of a problem with blood flow.
And I don't know if that's the same with everyone.
I mean, I don't know if that's the same with me as opposed to someone who's sedentary.
I don't know.
I don't understand why I would have less blood flow as much as I exercise in comparison to a person who's like 20 years old and sedentary with hormone replacement, with all the other things that I do, supplements, all the different things that I do.
Well, I know for a fact the way my body functions, it's very similar.
Because the other day I did eight rounds on the bag and I was thinking, like, I don't even think of the fact that I'm 56.
I just think of techniques.
I'm just thinking of, boom, boom, wham.
I'm not thinking of like, oh my God, I'm 56.
Be careful.
All I'm thinking of is just fucking, you know, 30 seconds left, push, boom, boom, boom, bam, boom, boom, boom, bam.
I'm not thinking about it.
It's like amazing to not have to worry about your body.
To be careful, be smart, train hard, exercise hard, recover hard, nutrition, supplements, all that jazz.
But at the end of the day, I have a very functional body at 56.
When I was a kid, I thought you were dead when you're 56.
I didn't think you'd be jacked and strong and healthy and have all this energy and do two shows a night at the comedy club and do five podcasts a week and do all the other shit that I do in life and feel great.
Guys in their 50s are functioning at a super high level now, which is awesome.
It's amazing.
And the coolest thing about it is like, if you talk to like Andrew Huberman, the stuff that he talks about, it's not a rich guy thing.
It's really not.
Like a lot of people assume it is, but like waking up in the morning and getting sunlight right away.
Like training, food, running a little bit, sleeping good.
That's all stuff that you can do, even if you don't have like a lot of, you know, you don't have to be super wealthy to and like even the even like the hormone replacement thing if you're if you're 50 years old or older or whatever um even that is super inexpensive testosterone relatively super inexpensive yeah i didn't know that when i was younger i had no idea especially when you consider how much money people spend on booze yeah if you go to a bar crazy you you drink for a night like you're fucking spending hundreds of dollars on drinks that's your whole that's months of hormone
And my, and my testosterone is, is interesting because I wasn't really low.
Um, Denise is my doctor and you know, I did my, my blood work and we looked at everything and, and mine wasn't really low for my age.
I didn't really look into it until I was right before 50 years old for those listening.
Um, and I don't really think you should until you, until you, you know, get a lot older, but, uh, but I was, I was at a pretty good level, but I wasn't like in an optimal level.
And she's like, you should probably just try it to see how you feel.
If you see how you feel, there's no, there's no downside to trying it.
So I, so it's like I do a cream cream on the nuts before I go to sleep.
Super simple.
It's like a little clicker, click, click, click.
And then I also supplement, um, vitamin D, which is a hormone.
And I supplement, uh, DHEA, which is a hormone, a hormone DHEA is, um, I believe it is, um, it's from the, the, um, thyroid.
I take peptides that stimulate your body's production of human growth hormone, IGF, and, and then BPC one five seven, which is really good for recovering from soft tissue injuries.
Issues with the U S uh, UFC and USADA was, uh, I talked to Jeff Nowitzki about this, who was the head of the the ufc's uh anti-drug program and what he was saying is like you sada won't allow these athletes to take ppc 157 he thinks that's wrong he's like you've got to give them the opportunity to recover from injuries and it's not a drug it's an amino acid stack right exactly yeah it's it's a peptide yeah and it helps your body heal and it really works and there are studies i mean when you talk to someone like andrew huberman he's very high on that Stuff.
Dietary cholesterol is not really what the issue is.
I mean, I'm the wrong person to talk about this.
But, you know, obviously, there's people that are, they have genetic issues.
There's different body types.
There's different predispositions to high cholesterol and coronary artery disease and a lot of different things.
It really, I think it depends entirely on the individual.
But I do not think that the food that's eaten by 95% of the people in the world is the problem, which is meat, the most nutrient-dense food in the world.
It's, again, we're very fortunate that there's enough alternative sources of information where people do have the data and they do understand.
Like, cut through all the no, like, there's so many people that are still poisoned by the studies that the sugar industry funded in like whatever it was, the 1950s or the 1960s, where they bribed scientists to say that coronary artery disease is caused by saturated fat, which is just not true.
What it was was sugar.
And they knew that these people were overconsuming processed foods and sugar, and that was leading to the decay in their health.
And they passed the buck onto saturated fat, and they got people eating that fucking margarine bullshit, and I can't believe it's not butter and all that crap, thinking that they were doing better, that they were being healthier than actual butter, which is actually good for you.
The second I'm done, I get like a little bit of sugar cravings.
And I'll be like walking by my freezer and I'll be like, I'll make a little acai bowl, little sweet treat.
And I'll make an acai bowl that's like a, like a, I'll put like whey protein in the acai and I'll blend that up and I'll put it in a bowl with granola, berries, bananas, honey, and peanut butter on top.
Sounds really good, but it's like pure sugar and it's huge.
There's a lot of things that are disrupting our endocrine system.
Well, I talk about it all the time, but there's a doctor, Dr. Shanna Swan, who wrote this book called Countdown.
And she makes this connection between the introduction of petrochemical products and people using them like microwaving with plastic and plastic bottles and all these different things that leach plastic and chemicals into your, and the direct decrease of male testosterone, the shrinking of human beings' taints when they're babies, which is a direct indicator of whether someone's a male or a female.
In males, in mammals, the taint is 50 to 100% larger than females, but they're shrinking.
And then also miscarriages in women.
There's a much higher instance of miscarriages and infertility.
And she thinks a lot of it is directly attributable to these plastics and these phthalates, these different chemicals that get into the bloodstream.
I don't do the selfie video thing pretty much ever on my social media stuff.
It's just super cringy and something I don't feel comfortable with.
But I've been doing it lately.
So I've been trying to share my experience and kind of just tell my story about what I'm doing, where I'm going, how I'm feeling, and sharing my protocol just because I have a lot of personal friends around my age that are pretty beat up.
And some of them are considering surgery and everybody's got aches and pains and injuries.
So I'm trying to share it for them.
And then I just had an incredible amount of feedback from people who want to know more.
I feel like from all the stuff that I'm doing and learning, I can help maybe demystify the stem cell thing.
It seems pretty misunderstood.
So I don't know everything there is to know about stem cells.
Not pretending that I do, but what I'm finding out, I'm trying to share with people.
And I really want to hear what it does for your back because the disc thing is very interesting because I do know that there have been some examples of people that have had these injections and that have increased their disc space where the discs have actually grown.
So people that are suffering from regenerative disc disease and were told that they might need fusions or they might need an artificial disc, they've managed to stop that.