Oct. 26, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| How are you, brother? | ||
| I'm doing great, man. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| What's cracking? | ||
| What's the latest and your greatest? | ||
| Lots of stuff, man. | ||
| I feel like, I don't know, I feel like normally I don't have that much that's the latest and greatest, but yeah, a lot's been happening. | ||
| I've been crazy busy, but all good stuff, so nothing to complain about. | ||
| What's been happening? | ||
| What's crazy busy? | ||
| Um, let's see, in the last three months, four months, been to Mexico twice, El Salvador once, California four or five times, Indonesia for a month, Tahiti, France, Mexico. | ||
| Damn, son. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| World traveler. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| What have you been doing? | ||
| A lot of surfing. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| A lot of surfing. | ||
| How's your knee? | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Is it 100%? | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's not 100%, but I never thought it would be this good again, honestly. | ||
| It's really, really good. | ||
| I have slight range of motion that's not as good as the other, which is to be expected. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I surf with no brace. | ||
| I snowboard with no brace. | ||
| I go hunting all the time with no brace. | ||
| I never really think about it, which is amazing. | ||
| For people that don't know, you were in a snowboarding accident and you fucking demolished your knee. | ||
| Yeah, I ran right into a tree. | ||
| Wrapped my knee around a tree. | ||
| Always my fear when I see people skiing and snowboarding. | ||
| I quit skiing because of an accident. | ||
| I fucked my knee up and I cracked my shin bone. | ||
| I got an insufficiency fracture in the top of my shin bone. | ||
| I was like, that's it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I'm done with this. | ||
| Yeah, I love snowboarding. | ||
| I'm not giving it up. | ||
| To answer your question, I'm really happy with the way my knee healed up. | ||
| It was a shitty experience, that whole process. | ||
| How long did it take you to fully heal? | ||
| Probably 18 months. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But I was really, really... | ||
| I really followed all the physical therapy and all the protocol. | ||
| I did every single thing I could to help it out. | ||
| You rang me and said, let's get some stem cells in your knee. | ||
| I came twice here. | ||
| Guys at Ways to Well helped me out with that. | ||
| I had great results from that. | ||
| I actually felt the difference. | ||
| Which is amazing, but it healed great. | ||
| You were saying that was the turning point, like the ways to well, that this is one of the things that really pushed you over the edge, what really felt like it was healing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I went to a great surgeon, and he does these things all the time with great success. | ||
| I have a lot of friends who've had that exact same surgery from him, so I was really confident. | ||
| What was the extent of the injury? | ||
| I got full repairs of my ACL and my MCL. They both basically blew off. | ||
| Yeah, so they took my patellar tendon and split it in thirds and then built new ligaments out of that. | ||
| So did the MCL and the ACL out of patellar tendon? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much does that compromise the patellar tendon? | ||
| It doesn't really. | ||
| Because I had a patellar tendon graft on my left knee and it took forever to heal. | ||
| Where on my right knee I had a cadaver, which only took like six months. | ||
| Yeah, I think using a cadaver, you heal much faster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Why did they decide to do that with you? | ||
| Just because, like, that specific injury that I had. | ||
| Like, I spoke to my surgeon, a really good guy named Warren Kramer out of California. | ||
| And he said, look, we have a couple different options here you can choose. | ||
| And he just kind of ran me through. | ||
| And he said if it was my knee, I would use a patellar tendon. | ||
| He goes, it'll take longer to heal, but you'll be rock solid. | ||
| And like the way he explained is the patellar tendon is pretty wide and really, really strong. | ||
| So even though you're taking a third from one side and a third from the other side, it doesn't really compromise the integrity of the actual tendon. | ||
| It's weird the way your body is able to turn that tendon into ligaments. | ||
| Isn't that strange? | ||
| It is. | ||
| So they take a tendon and then they make ligaments. | ||
| They put it in place where you used to have these ligaments and your body accepts it over time as a ligament. | ||
| Yeah, well, with the cadaver thing, one of the weird things is that your body uses it as a scaffolding and then re-proliferates it with its own tissue. | ||
| So it's not like you have this cadaver tendon inside of you. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Because I have an Achilles tendon. | ||
| That's what it started out with. | ||
| That's what replaced my ACL in my right knee. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Some dead dude who took his Achilles tendon. | ||
| Because your Achilles is 150% stronger, apparently. | ||
| Once they do that, then the original ACL. And then they just screw that sucker in place. | ||
| Dude, I was good to go quick. | ||
| I went to a party without a brace five days later after surgery. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I was out. | ||
| I was in bad shape for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, I was with my left knee. | ||
| My left knee was in agony for a long time because they have to saw the fucking piece out of the bone and the piece out of the bone of your shin and screw the both of them in place. | ||
| I couldn't go on my knees. | ||
| I couldn't do anything if I had to kneel down. | ||
| I couldn't do anything for like a year. | ||
| The pain from waking up after surgery was so brutal. | ||
| I had no idea how bad it was going to be. | ||
| It sucked. | ||
| It's intense. | ||
| Like really bad. | ||
| Yeah, for me it was one of the only times I ever took painkillers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The painkillers made me feel so stupid. | ||
| I can't remember if it was Percocets or Vicodin. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| But I remember I sold it to some dude at the pool hall. | ||
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I love that. | |
| Yeah, some dude was like, I'll take them. | ||
| I'm like, bye, I'll sell it to you. | ||
| Yeah, some crazy junkie named Jeff. | ||
| Jeff the Junkie. | ||
| Jeff the Junkie, yeah. | ||
| I just threw painkillers in the trash this morning at my hotel. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| And I remember thinking... | ||
| I just looked down as I was throwing them in the trash and thinking, man, there's probably people outside right now that would, like, do something terrible for those painkillers. | ||
| I hate painkillers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like you're either... | ||
| You're, like, in one group or the other where, like, your body... | ||
| Really loves pain, or their brain, I guess, really loves painkillers or really doesn't. | ||
| I definitely hate painkillers. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't take anything from my right knee. | ||
| I didn't take a goddamn thing. | ||
| After the surgery, I was like, I'll just deal with pain. | ||
| I remember what it was like taking them from my left knee. | ||
| I was like, fuck off. | ||
| It doesn't jive with me. | ||
| It just makes me... | ||
| Again, I hear opiates are amazing. | ||
| I hear people that take OxyContin and they say it's amazing. | ||
| Like, oh my god, it's so wonderful. | ||
| I had Peter Berg on the podcast. | ||
| He's the guy that produced that Netflix series Painkiller. | ||
| I listened to that one. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Peter's amazing. | ||
| But that... | ||
| It's so eye-opening. | ||
| But he was saying that he took OxyContin once, recreationally. | ||
| And he was like, oh my god, this is so good. | ||
| I can never do this again. | ||
| It just makes you feel so wonderful. | ||
| You feel like you're slowly falling into a jar of honey. | ||
| Like a warm jar of honey. | ||
| That's a good way to describe it. | ||
| I don't feel like that. | ||
| When I have to take a painkiller, I feel loopy and it feels nauseous. | ||
| It feels gross. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| Yeah, very grateful for that. | ||
| You needed them after stem cells? | ||
| Is that what you needed them for? | ||
| Yeah, so I just had stem cell treatment in Mexico. | ||
| So you went to the CPI, the Cellular Performance Institute in Mexico, and you just got hammered with them, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was there for a week and it was intense. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| So yeah, so my treatment was pretty over the top. | ||
| Not over the top, but for me it was a lot. | ||
| I got both shoulders done, both knees, my right elbow, my lumbar spine and my cervical spine. | ||
| And they, you know, I did the cervical spine and the lumbar. | ||
| And when they do your spine, they put you out. | ||
| So they put you under anesthesia. | ||
| And then they do the rest of my body at that same time. | ||
| And then because there were so many stem cells in my back, like most of the time people wake up from that and they're really sore and a lot of pain. | ||
| And so they gave me some pain medication, which I sort of needed right when I woke up. | ||
| But by the next morning, I was just on the Tylenol trip. | ||
| So things mellowed out really quick for me. | ||
| So that was two weeks ago, you said? | ||
| Yeah, it was like 10 days ago now. | ||
| 10 days ago? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you feel any difference? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I'm not supposed to feel any different for, like, the first month. | ||
| Like, you know, these sort of stem cells are a little bit different. | ||
| That's my understanding, at least. | ||
| So they're called a hypoxic stem cell, and they're from cord blood. | ||
| So they're from an umbilical cord. | ||
| And I got... | ||
| 180 million stem cells injected. | ||
| And then I got 100 million stem cells in an IV. And so those kind of stem cells, they're called hypoxic, which I think it means that they do really, really well under very low oxygen environments. | ||
| So they're able to live in my body for up to 12 months. | ||
| Live, I don't know if that's the right word, but they stay active and growing in your body for 12 months. | ||
| So now it's just a matter of me following the protocol, which is not that fun. | ||
| And so the protocol involves essentially a lot of rest, right? | ||
| You're not supposed to train. | ||
| What is the protocol? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the protocol with these specific stem cells, like because they, you know, sort of live so long in your body, the first two weeks is basically nothing. | ||
| It's like maybe 15 minutes of like walking per day. | ||
| And then after that, you work with a physical therapist and you have very specific physical therapy. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| A lot of like stabilization stuff. | ||
| Like I did my spine. | ||
| So I was talking to Nikki Hind, who's my physical therapist. | ||
| And so she's creating like a physical therapy schedule and program for me based around my spine. | ||
| And she told me that she's worked with some people who have had intense stem cell therapies. | ||
| And it's like a pretty crazy opportunity to kind of, you have like a second chance. | ||
| Like at this age with my spine to like really change it the way the way it is. | ||
| So I'm pretty excited about that. | ||
| I have some like degeneration and some some some bulging discs in my lower lower back and then I have some my upper upper back my cervical spine is pretty fucked up from all the surfing wipeouts I've had. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So surfing light bouts like when you hit the ground and the water comes on top of you? | ||
| Yeah, like falling off a 60-foot wave and hitting the surface of the water. | ||
| That impact with the water moving at 30 miles an hour and you go in the other direction. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| So my neck is jacked up from a lot of that. | ||
| And do they go right into the actual disc itself? | ||
| So they go in... | ||
| I know in my... | ||
| I don't want to mess this up, right? | ||
| But I try to ask all the right questions and memorize everything. | ||
| But I know in my cervical spine, they mostly did my facets. | ||
| But in my lower back, I think they went straight in the discs. | ||
| So they did my SI joint and then like my C5, C4s. | ||
| I don't know if that sounds correct. | ||
| So yeah, they did the discs. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And is it supposed to make the discs expand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And make it larger and so there's more cushion between the spinal column? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they regrow tissue, they regrow ligaments, and so where there's been a lot of wearing down, a lot of times it'll regrow that. | ||
| So I did my MRIs before my treatment, and then I'll go back six months from now and get updated MRIs. | ||
| They're really good about the data, so they want to see your progress. | ||
| So the doctor will go over you with your new MRI six months from now and compare them exactly to the previous MRI and go, hey, here's where Here's where your knee was. | ||
| Or here's where your discs were. | ||
| And here's where they are now. | ||
| And so they tried, you know, that's the goal, right? | ||
| Is for you to see some major improvement. | ||
| And is a part of the thing with not exercising at all, just make sure that you don't do any breaking down of the body while it's going through this process of accepting the stem cells? | ||
| Yeah, that's a good question. | ||
| So my understanding is, so in your body, like the way an injury or like a torn ligament or a torn rotator cuff shows up in your body, it's just inflammation. | ||
| Inflammation is basically like a magnet for stem cells. | ||
| So the stem cells go exactly where they're needed in your body. | ||
| They're really smart. | ||
| So the stem cells were injected straight into the joints and into the areas of my body. | ||
| Would you ask me again? | ||
| What was the question? | ||
| I said the idea of no exercise. | ||
| Is it just like you just have no strain on the body whatsoever for a long time? | ||
| Will all these stem cells sort of just start doing their work? | ||
| So what you don't want to do is create inflammation that wasn't there already because you want your stem cells to go to your inflammation that you already had before, right? | ||
| So you want it to heal your body where you need it the most. | ||
| So you don't want it like if I went like running 15 miles right now, my stem cells get confused and trying to go to my calves to try to repair that muscle soreness because that's inflammation. | ||
| And so you don't want to do that and you don't want to decrease inflammation either when you get stem cells, which is interesting. | ||
| So I can't do the cold plunge. | ||
| I can't do the sauna. | ||
| I can't take anti-inflammatories. | ||
| How long do they tell you not to do the cold plunge or sauna? | ||
| Like five or six weeks. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Because these stem cells are so active for so long that if you really want to get the most out of the treatment, that that's the protocol. | ||
| And I was like, ah, they're just saying that. | ||
| You know, they're just saying that for like the general public. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think athletes always feel like they're like in a different category. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And just because, I don't know why that is. | ||
| Because you are in a different category. | ||
| Well, in some aspects maybe, but... | ||
| And then I call my physical therapist and I'm like, hey, these guys are saying this, but obviously it's not that, right? | ||
| And she's like, no, that's right on. | ||
| If you want to get the most out of this treatment, then you've got to follow the protocol and that is the protocol. | ||
| That would drive me nuts. | ||
| I am being a big baby about the not working out part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you do anything? | ||
| Can you swim? | ||
| Can you do anything? | ||
| I can swim. | ||
| They encourage you to swim. | ||
| You can walk a lot. | ||
| Obviously, unless you have pain. | ||
| So in your knees or something, you have pain. | ||
| Because the stem cells are really active in your body. | ||
| So if you get knee pain, it could flare up because of the stem cells. | ||
| But if you're not having that, then you can walk a lot. | ||
| And then I'll be able to do resistance training with bands and stuff fairly soon, probably like four weeks from now. | ||
| But it's difficult. | ||
| At my age, I'm 51, and for like 18 months I've been pretty on it, trying to be fit, trying to get my fitness better, really trying to get in shape. | ||
| You were looking ripped, dude. | ||
| You sent me a picture. | ||
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You're looking good. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's funny how guys will do that. | ||
| Guys will be like, hey, update right here. | ||
| Especially when you work freaking hard, dude. | ||
| Yeah, you want people to see it. | ||
| It takes a long time, especially me. | ||
| I'm like a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The way my body works... | ||
| If I don't work out... | ||
| Right now, if I didn't work out for three months, I'll lose so much, right? | ||
| I feel like I'm going to turn to mush. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Once I mush, it might take a year to get back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what I lost in like, you know, one month or six weeks or something, which is wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It's a bar. | ||
| And I'm not cool with it at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It really makes you appreciate it, though, once you do get it back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you do get out of shape and then you get back in shape and you realize how hard it is. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why I'm so fanatical about working out, because I know that when I've gotten out of shape, that road back is a lot different at 56, which is how old I am, versus 30 or 25. Yeah, the road back's long. | ||
| The road back at 25 is a couple weeks. | ||
| You're good to go. | ||
| You're tippy-top shape again. | ||
| But at 56, it's like months. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is cool. | ||
| One thing I did learn, and I'm trying to keep this in mind when I'm sort of being a baby about all the things about not working out, your muscles have a really strong memory. | ||
| So if you're really fit and then all of a sudden you go through a period like I'm going through right now where I'm probably going to get unfit for a little bit, It'll come back much faster, back to kind of exactly where you were before, really quickly because your muscles have memory. | ||
| Definitely in comparison to someone who's out of shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Someone who never works out at all, it will take them forever to get into the shape that you were in. | ||
| Right, totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big difference. | ||
| But I guess, I forget exactly, I think it was Andrew Huberman was talking about it, and he was saying that there's muscle bellies within your muscle. | ||
| And so if you develop those muscle bellies, they have a really solid memory. | ||
| And so when you try to get back in shape, you'll snap back way faster. | ||
| I definitely have heard that before and it definitely makes sense. | ||
| You know, that your body recognizes like, oh, this is a place that we've been before. | ||
| We have a memory of this. | ||
| So we'll just get back to where that is. | ||
| Because to get someone who's... | ||
| One of the things that drives me crazy is that people that are really out of shape, that have never worked out, and they're like, ah, I gotta get into shape. | ||
| I'm like, okay, do you know what you're saying? | ||
| I have a friend of mine. | ||
| He's overweight and he's been talking to me about exercise and just like, I'm worried about being sore. | ||
| I go, listen man, if you want to do this, I go, I will work out with you and I promise you, you will barely get sore. | ||
| Because I'm not going to make you, we will work out for maybe 20 minutes. | ||
| And he goes, why just 20 minutes? | ||
| I go, because you're not doing anything right now. | ||
| If you try to do what I do every day, your body's going to tear apart. | ||
| You'll blow your shoulders out. | ||
| You'll ruin your knees. | ||
| What we want to do is just slowly build you up. | ||
| What I'll have you do is just do like... | ||
| Five push-ups. | ||
| Five bodyweight squats. | ||
| Five sit-ups. | ||
| Take a break. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| I'll show you some stuff that we can do with bands. | ||
| I'll give you some different exercises that we can do with kettlebells. | ||
| Very light. | ||
| Just clean press. | ||
| I'll just have a couple of things that you do. | ||
| Some swings. | ||
| And we'll work out for maybe 20 minutes. | ||
| And then stop. | ||
| And then I want to see how you feel the next day. | ||
| And then I'm going to get you in the cold plunge. | ||
| I'm going to get you in the sauna. | ||
| And then in two days we'll do it again. | ||
| And if we do it again, it's still the same thing. | ||
| Very light. | ||
| 20 minutes. | ||
| And I would do that, and I told them, I will do that with you for a couple weeks before I have you really straining hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want you, like, hurting yourself. | ||
| Because so many people, they try to make up for... | ||
| Years of abuse. | ||
| And they try to just jump right back in and fucking run a marathon. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Your body is out of shape. | ||
| You have no muscle tissue. | ||
| You're surrounded by fat. | ||
| We gotta build it back. | ||
| Nice and slow. | ||
| The same way it got sick. | ||
| Build it back. | ||
| So many people take 20 years to put on 100 pounds and then expect to lose it in three months, you know? | ||
| Well, and then that's the big hook with all these stupid diet programs. | ||
| Ten weeks to six-pack abs. | ||
| Like, no. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
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No. | |
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| I feel like people... | ||
| Really tend to overestimate how much you have to train, too. | ||
| Like the duration per day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like exactly what you said, like your friend, that misconception of like, well, I need to work out an hour every single day and the person's totally obese or something like that. | ||
| You don't need to at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And consistency is way more important than even intensity. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you're kind of intense, but you're super consistent, you do it every single day or five days a week, you get insane results in six months. | ||
| Well, that's one of the things that the Russians figured out with wrestling. | ||
| That instead of these unbelievably brutal, intense workouts like the American wrestlers were doing, what they were doing was very high-volume technical work over long periods of time, like several hours per day. | ||
| And they were training almost every day a week, but not high intensity all the time. | ||
| And they were developing a far greater array of skills. | ||
| Their skill improvement was greater. | ||
| And then overall fitness Was also getting great too because you weren't breaking yourself down and then forcing yourself to work out with a broken down body. | ||
| They were doing it the correct way. | ||
| But the correct way and the tough guy way are very different things. | ||
| Like the tough guy way is fuck it, just fucking grind, get in there and push. | ||
| That's a good mentality, sorta, but you can trip yourself up with that because you literally put too much of a demand on your body than your body's capable of meeting. | ||
| Like, your mind can be tougher than the actual physical ability of your body to recover and move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yeah, I think it's easy to overtrain too when you get really, sometimes you get addicted to training. | ||
| Like I am for sure. | ||
| I love working out. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| But, you know, I train so differently now than I did when I was in my 40s and my 30s. | ||
| I think I overtrained a lot when I was younger. | ||
| And now I'm realizing, at least for my goals now, like my goal with working out now is like specifically for so I can continue doing the things I love to do as long as possible. | ||
| I want to bow hunt. | ||
| I want to snowboard. | ||
| I want to surf till I'm in my 80s. | ||
| That's the real goal. | ||
| Or maybe as long as I possibly can, right? | ||
| I mean, getting super jacked or getting super shredded or whatever, that sounds like fun too. | ||
| But really, it's all about performance. | ||
| Life enjoyment. | ||
| Yeah, long-term performance. | ||
| Can you do yoga after the stem cells? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, they specifically said that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you can, but not at first. | ||
| So the first like month to eight weeks are really important for the stem cells. | ||
| And it really depends. | ||
| So like if I just had like a say like a torn rotator cuff and I did the injection on my shoulder, I could start getting back in the gym much faster, and I could start doing squats, and I could start doing all this other stuff. | ||
| Once they're settled into where they are, it's fine. | ||
| But you don't want to create inflammation in those areas. | ||
| So as long as you're not doing overhead presses on that shoulder, you're probably going to be just fine. | ||
| So with me, I had extensive stem cells throughout my body, especially in my spine and my back. | ||
| So I got to be careful. | ||
| I'm very interested to see how the spine and the back stuff works. | ||
| I've had a lot of those same issues myself with degenerative discs. | ||
| And it's just from jujitsu, mostly. | ||
| Everybody I know from jujitsu has something fucked up about their backs. | ||
| I know a lot of guys who have had disc replacements. | ||
| They open you up and put a fucking titanium disc in there. | ||
| The problem with that is they've got to replace it someday. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so you want to put that off as long as you can, right? | ||
| Yeah, but fuck that. | ||
| Yeah, fuck that. | ||
| Fuck that, a second spinal surgery? | ||
| So they go back in there again? | ||
| Such a nightmare. | ||
| And a lot of times they go from the front, I heard. | ||
| They go through your neck. | ||
| Through the front of your neck to get to there. | ||
| Gnarly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess it's the best way to do it. | ||
| They open you up. | ||
| They open up a slit. | ||
| Spread it open like a keyhole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to try with the stem cells for now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You're fit, dude. | ||
| What have you been eating? | ||
| I know I asked you when I was texting you, but I wanted to get a full breakdown of Joe's food program. | ||
| It's almost all meat. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I'm almost entirely... | ||
| All I eat is meat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We need to unpack this. | ||
| Yesterday, my entire day was almost... | ||
| My entire day was like 95% elk. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all I eat. | ||
| That's freaking awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| For me, it just seems to work. | ||
| I mean, I've tried a bunch of different diets, but for me, there's a lot of benefits to this carnivore diet. | ||
| And one of the biggest ones, because I do this for a living, right? | ||
| So one of the biggest ones is the cognitive benefits. | ||
| There's some giant difference between your body running on ketones, which is essentially what it runs on when you're running on just fats and protein. | ||
| Versus your body running on sugar, carbs, you know, pasta and bread. | ||
| That stuff would make me crash and I would feel dull. | ||
| Like my mind would feel dull. | ||
| And when I... Started back on the carnivore diet like one of the first things that I noticed like almost immediately is that I had an extra gear verbally I get an extra year cognitively like my mind is forming sentences better like it's it's quicker I'm I'm I'm more in tune with conversations which Obviously because I do this for a living. | ||
| It's fucking so critical Yeah, I would stay on this diet just for that just for that but then The other benefits are my energy levels are completely flat throughout the day. | ||
| There's no crashes. | ||
| There's no peaks and valleys. | ||
| And good energy? | ||
| Fucking great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It took a while. | ||
| I have to be honest. | ||
| The first couple weeks of the diet, my workout struggled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they call that like the keto flu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think people call that. | ||
| It's a period of time when your body is trying to adapt to what you're trying to give it, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so I do take in some fats that aren't animal fats. | ||
| Like one of the things I really like is Primal Kitchen's products. | ||
| Primal Kitchen makes this chipotle lime mayonnaise. | ||
| Is that Mark Sisson? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He's an awesome dude. | ||
| And Mark makes a Primal Kitchen mayonnaise that's avocado oil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is very good for you. | ||
| I think we have some of that at the house. | ||
| It's great stuff. | ||
| And so what I do is I'll cook up on the Traeger, I'll cook up like a few elk roasts like for the week. | ||
| And then I buy like four or five jars of that primal mayonnaise at a time and I'll just scoop it onto a plate and I'll just dip slices of cold elk into there. | ||
| Like I came home last night from the comedy club at 1.30 in the morning. | ||
| And that's what I ate. | ||
| I just ate a big plate of elk and some primal kitchen mayonnaise and watched YouTube. | ||
| I cannot. | ||
| That's discipline, dude, to eat all meat all day. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I'm pretty decent. | ||
| Like, I'm pretty decent, like, with discipline. | ||
| And even with my food, I'm really disciplined with working out and kind of disciplined with food. | ||
| And I'd say for, like, 80% of my food intake is, like, pretty darn good. | ||
| It's like meat and eggs for the most part. | ||
| But, man, I do love, like, I have sugar cravings. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
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| And the thing is, if you don't stop eating sugar, you're always going to have these super strong sugar cravings. | ||
| And there's such a big difference between Hunger and cravings are two totally different things, but you feel them in the same way. | ||
| You get this trigger of like, fuck, I'm hungry. | ||
| I'm hungry right now. | ||
| I've always said that, like, if you just give me a ribeye steak and I eat the ribeye steak, I will be satisfied. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'll be done eating. | ||
| I might not even eat the whole steak. | ||
| You'll stop when you're done. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| But if there's a bowl of pasta right next to that, I'm going to dig into that spaghetti. | ||
| I'm going to fucking eat that whole thing. | ||
| And then I'm going to be like, oh. | ||
| And then my stomach's going to be bloated and I'm like, oh. | ||
| Like, I've had giant meals and then just looked at my stomach in the mirror, I'm like, what are you, pregnant? | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| It's just bloated with food. | ||
| I'm a real glutton. | ||
| I have a real problem with food. | ||
| Yeah, I do too. | ||
| But I don't really, because I'm disciplined. | ||
| But if I let myself, I will eat two pizzas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I will fucking, you give me like two pepperoni and mushroom pizzas, I will fucking keep eating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Until I'm like stuffing it, like the pizza's up to my neck, like... | ||
| It's really hard to do that with meat. | ||
| It's really hard to do that when you're eating just meat. | ||
| We're going to eat until you're done and then you're done. | ||
| Well, meat has a very high satiety level. | ||
| And anything that's high in protein, it satisfies you very quickly. | ||
| And it's delicious. | ||
| It's delicious. | ||
| It's so satisfying. | ||
| It's 100% my favorite thing to eat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if I could just eat ribeye steaks or elk meat for the rest of the- The thing about eating game, wild game, though, is you must supplement with fat. | ||
| You have to have fat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You lose too much weight, too. | ||
| Well, you're not getting enough fat. | ||
| You have to get fat. | ||
| Fat is important for your brain function. | ||
| It's important for everything. | ||
| So when I... That's why I like that Primal Kitchen mayonnaise stuff. | ||
| Or when I cook elk, what I'll do is most of the time I will slow cook it on the Traeger like 265 until it reaches an internal temperature about like 115 or so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then what I do is I take a cast-iron frying pan and I use beef tallow. | ||
| And so you get a lot of fat from the beef tallow. | ||
| And so I'll use grass-fed beef tallow and I sear it on the outside in that beef tallow. | ||
| I get the fat from that. | ||
| I also try to get fat from bacon. | ||
| Your bacon's not good for you. | ||
| Okay, whatever. | ||
| Listen, trust me, it's good for you. | ||
| It's fat. | ||
| You need fat. | ||
| It's not good for you if you're eating all cheeseburgers from McDonald's and processed food. | ||
| But that's not what the problem is. | ||
| And then you put bacon on top of that. | ||
| If you're eating clean, bacon's fine. | ||
| The bacon's not the problem. | ||
| The real problem is... | ||
| There's a giant issue that people have with processed foods. | ||
| And when you talk about, like, there's a bunch of goofy epidemiology studies that talk about how meat increases your rate of cancer. | ||
| But the way those studies work is someone will fill out a form, like, how many days a week do you eat meat? | ||
| And I eat meat six days a week. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What kind of meat? | ||
| Are you eating a Jack in the Box cheeseburger? | ||
| Do you have fries with that? | ||
| Do you have a shake? | ||
| Do you have soda? | ||
| There's a bunch of other things that people do eat. | ||
| So there's a thing called healthy user bias, right? | ||
| So if you're someone who says, like, I don't eat any meat, well, you're probably listening to a lot. | ||
| You're probably trying to do the right thing for your health. | ||
| So you're listening to what would be like mainstream conventional doctor's wisdom on diet, which is almost certainly off. | ||
| Because most of these doctors that are talking about this, they're not up on the latest studies. | ||
| They're not like Huberman or Lane Norton or anything. | ||
| If you really want to know what's good for you and what's bad for you, I always say, listen to jacked scientists. | ||
| Those are the guys that are going to tell you. | ||
| These are the foods that are actually good for you. | ||
| And almost everyone agrees. | ||
| Sugar's terrible for you. | ||
| Sugar, breads, pastas, and then you get into the more controversial areas of seed oils. | ||
| Seed oils, which essentially were initially invented to be industrial lubricants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For machinery. | ||
| And they figured out... | ||
| Have you ever seen the process where they take canola oil? | ||
| Which you think of as like, oh, canola. | ||
| Must be corn. | ||
| Must be healthy. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's rapeseed. | ||
| Which is that word people don't like. | ||
| Like, rapeseed? | ||
| What the fuck is that thing? | ||
| I don't want to have nothing to do with that plant. | ||
| Well, that's what canola oil is. | ||
| And then there's like sapphire flower oil and sunflower oil. | ||
| Oh, those sound wonderful. | ||
| Not good for you at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Avocado oil is, though. | ||
| Avocado oil is very good for you. | ||
| Olive oil, very good for you. | ||
| There's a lot of oils that are very good for you. | ||
| That's another thing they'll use. | ||
| Those two in particular are definitely the best. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's another thing I really like to do with meat. | ||
| I'll pour olive oil on it. | ||
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| Put a little salt, put a little olive oil. | ||
| That's why I'm getting a lot of healthy fats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so with my diet, I have to make sure that I get healthy fats because you just eat just only like elk. | ||
| There's not enough fat. | ||
| They're too lean. | ||
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| But ribeyes, you could eat all ribeyes all day. | ||
| If I ate all elk, I would probably weigh 130 pounds. | ||
| You'd get shredded, though, son. | ||
| Shredded like crazy. | ||
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Shredded. | |
| Shredded, for sure. | ||
| So, what I was saying was, like, for the first two weeks, it was really hard. | ||
| My workouts were rough. | ||
| It was like I was sort of fighting off a cold, almost like... | ||
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| I was just like... | ||
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| Low energy. | ||
| Yeah, like, when I... Headaches, too? | ||
| No, not that bad. | ||
| No, just a little bit of fatigue. | ||
| And mostly just during exercise. | ||
| It wasn't really that much during the day. | ||
| Not at all during the day, in fact. | ||
| But I could feel the difference. | ||
| But somewhere along the line, about two weeks in, your body hits a switch. | ||
| And now it has no effect on me. | ||
| Now I feel great. | ||
| I feel great hitting the bag. | ||
| I feel great doing sprints. | ||
| Sprints on the airdyne bike. | ||
| I feel great with my bodyweight workouts, kettlebell workouts. | ||
| Everything's great. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But more importantly for my job, for this, my brain works better. | ||
| It just works better. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And for comedy, writing, all that stuff. | ||
| All of the above. | ||
| Much better. | ||
| Everything's better. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Carbs and bread and all that stuff, it's just the crash, like the inconsistency that you get throughout the day. | ||
| And also, like, the fact that you just keep eating. | ||
| You just get bloated. | ||
| You just stuff your fat fucking face with cheeseburgers. | ||
| If you give me cheeseburgers with buns, I'll eat three or four of those fuckers. | ||
| I can't stop. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| You'll eat it till it's all gone. | ||
| I will too. | ||
| But like, you know what I like to go? | ||
| I like to go to In-N-Out and I get those flying Dutchman. | ||
| You ever get that? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't really like In-N-Out. | ||
| You don't like In-N-Out? | ||
| I don't like In-N-Out. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| Their fries suck. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I feel like I judge a burger joint on the fries. | ||
| Really? | ||
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| I love their fries. | ||
| I don't like their fries. | ||
| Well, do you like McDonald's fries? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| Whose fries do you like? | ||
| I like, like, big potato wedge fries. | ||
| You know who has the best fries? | ||
| Sweet potato fries I'm a big fan of. | ||
| Oh, those are the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know who has the best fries in all of fast food burgers? | ||
| Five Guys. | ||
| Five Guys. | ||
| Five Guys has some fucking fries. | ||
| I don't think I've ever eaten at Five Guys. | ||
| They're the best. | ||
| Five Guys will give you bacon on your burger and jalapenos. | ||
| You get bacon and jalapenos. | ||
| Five Guys is the best. | ||
| I prefer Five Guys even over In-N-Out. | ||
| My son likes In-N-Out and we go there sometimes and I get that animal style with the lettuce wraps and it's alright. | ||
| Lettuce wrap is okay. | ||
| I prefer what's called a flying Dutchman. | ||
| A flying Dutchman is just a patty, slice of cheese, patty. | ||
| That's what I get. | ||
| Oh, gotcha. | ||
| It's like a patty sandwich. | ||
| It's like a cheese sandwich with the patty as the bread. | ||
| Do you eat cheese on a regular? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| What sort of cheese do you eat? | ||
| I eat dairy. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I eat all kinds of cheese. | ||
| What about fruit? | ||
| No fruit? | ||
| Occasionally I have fruit. | ||
| Does it make you feel weird? | ||
| No. | ||
| Sometimes in the morning I just decide I want a little pep up. | ||
| I'll have a banana before I work out. | ||
| But most of the time I work out fasted. | ||
| I like berries and papayas. | ||
| I eat a lot of them. | ||
| Oh, those are great. | ||
| I love papayas. | ||
| I love mango. | ||
| Mango is probably my favorite fruit. | ||
| Papayas are really good for your digestion. | ||
| I was going to say that while we're on this thing about the food, you know, Denise. | ||
| From Ways to Well? | ||
| Yeah, Ways to Well. | ||
| I did my original blood work with her. | ||
| And then we did a really cool Zoom call afterwards and we talked for like an hour about my blood work. | ||
| And I was deficient in a bunch of different things. | ||
| And one of the things was vitamin D. And she goes, I think you should start supplementing with vitamin D. Do you? | ||
| And I said, yeah, I actually take vitamin D every day. | ||
| And she says, well, there's some weird disconnect. | ||
| So will you send me the brand or whatever you take? | ||
| She's like, that's a great brand. | ||
| There's something wrong happening with the way your body's trying to absorb and digest that. | ||
| So there was a bunch of things in my diet that I was taking that I was kind of deficient in. | ||
| And so she started me on this digestive enzyme, which is essentially papaya enzymes. | ||
| And then I got my blood work done six months later, and I was really great on my vitamin D. Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there was something about... | ||
| Your diet and the supplements where your body wasn't accepting the vitamin D? Yeah. | ||
| Well, they usually say vitamin D you should take with K2. Yeah. | ||
| Are you taking it with K2? I take both. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But my body, for some reason, just wasn't getting the vitamin D. That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, but there's a lot of people that are deficient in vitamin D. Yeah. | ||
| Oh, it's a giant problem. | ||
| And it's a giant problem. | ||
| Well, it's really a hormone. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Vitamin D is very different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the best way to get it really is from outside. | ||
| The best way to get it is from the sun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you don't get it from the sun enough, like specifically if you live in a cold climate, you really have to supplement. | ||
| If you don't, it's just really bad for your health overall, in all ways. | ||
| Your immune system function, something like at one point in time, like 74% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were deficient in vitamin D. Yeah. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I think that most people just in general are deficient in vitamin D. Yes. | ||
| And it's surprisingly, most surfers are deficient in vitamin D and they're outside in the ocean. | ||
| That seems crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's very weird. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Doesn't make any sense, but it's true. | ||
| What could be causing that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, what about surfing? | ||
| I have no idea, but that's an actual thing. | ||
| Is it possible that somehow or another there's something about the water? | ||
| I surf. | ||
| I'm in the sun every single day. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I'm deficient in vitamin D. And you tan. | ||
| And I was really deficient in vitamin D. That's wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's pretty weird. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God, I wonder what that would be. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| I would think if anybody would have super high levels of vitamin D, it'd be surfers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Shirt off, shorts on, barefoot. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what it is. | ||
| Your whole body is like a big ol' fuckin' solar panel for vitamin D. I don't know, but I definitely wasn't getting it. | ||
| So I have to supplement that. | ||
| I have to supplement a couple different things. | ||
| One of the things that I do that Huberman says to do is I spend the early part of the morning staring into the sun. | ||
| I get up in the morning and the first thing I do is go into the cold plunge. | ||
| And where my cold plunge is set up, when I get in the morning, the sun is right there in the sky when I'm freezing my dick off. | ||
| So I just lie in this thing and stare at the sun. | ||
| It's an amazing way to wake up. | ||
| It just fires me up right away. | ||
| It just changes my whole day. | ||
| You know, like whatever sluggishness and weirdness that I have, I get in that thing and it's like, yikes! | ||
| And I'm staring at the sun, it's like... | ||
| All my levels just go right back up to normal. | ||
| I'm drawing a blank on the term, but what is it called when your body sets its time for the day from the sun? | ||
| Circadian rhythm? | ||
| Yeah, circadian rhythm. | ||
| It's supposed to be great for that. | ||
| So it benefits your sleep a lot, right? | ||
| To get sunlight early in the morning. | ||
| Yeah, supposedly. | ||
| It sets your body's clock, your mind's clock. | ||
| I've never had a problem with sleep. | ||
| Yeah, me neither. | ||
| Luckily. | ||
| I'm just one of those guys. | ||
| That'd suck. | ||
| Yeah, I have friends that really struggle with sleep. | ||
| My wife struggles with sleep. | ||
| I can go to sleep on a fucking train station floor. | ||
| Yeah, I don't get it at all. | ||
| And I'm not super empathetic about it, too. | ||
| Sometimes my wife will be up doing something in the middle of the night and she's like, she can't sleep. | ||
| And I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| Go back to sleep. | ||
| She's like, don't you think I want to? | ||
| Yeah, some people just can't sleep. | ||
| Well, Jocko only sleeps like four hours a night. | ||
| Dude, that's not good for you. | ||
| He says he doesn't need any more. | ||
| Yeah, but his brain does. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe not like for functioning right now, but like long term. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you ask Andrew Huberman, and that's one of the things you can do to like help your brain function as long as possible. | ||
| And like with Alzheimer's and all kinds of brain issues, like long term sleep is a major factor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a major factor if they look at the correlation between like the amount of hours of sleep and the instances of Alzheimer's. | ||
| It seems to be some sort of a connection. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Jaco's a different kind of animal, though. | ||
| He definitely seems built different. | ||
| Yeah, maybe he just doesn't need it. | ||
| I think there's certain people. | ||
| I think Arnold is one of those people, too. | ||
| Schwarzenegger. | ||
| I think he said he only sleeps a few hours a night. | ||
| I think there's certain people that have just different requirements. | ||
| There are people that physically don't need as much sleep. | ||
| Everybody needs some sleep. | ||
| But I think there are people... | ||
| I'm not one of them. | ||
| I can notice the difference between six and eight hours. | ||
| I know it's a big difference. | ||
| Six hours is like, I gotta push. | ||
| It's an extra push. | ||
| Whereas eight hours, good to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I sleep six or seven hours a night. | ||
| But I feel like everybody's different. | ||
| There must be outliers. | ||
| To only sleep four hours a night and function well, it must not affect your hormones as much as most people. | ||
| Because I feel like most people, if you sleep four hours a night, it's terrible for your hormones. | ||
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| It causes a crazy crash in your hormones. | ||
| I think it really depends on what you're doing. | ||
| For some people, if you're only sleeping four hours, but your job is very engaging and very intense and a lot of adrenaline, you're fired up. | ||
| At the end of that day, you're probably going to crash hard, but you might be able to pull it off and keep going. | ||
| But if you have some fucking paperwork job and you only slept like four hours, you're going to be yawning and falling asleep. | ||
| You're going to be barely able to get through it. | ||
| Or even this job. | ||
| There's like the brain function aspect. | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
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Huge. | |
| After 10 years' search, scientists find second short sleep gene. | ||
| After a decade of searching, UC San Francisco scientists who identified the only human gene known to produce natural short sleep, lifelong nightly sleep that lasts just four to six hours yet leaves individuals feeling fully rested, have discovered a second. | ||
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Oh, here it is. | |
| It says, before we identified the first short sleep gene, people really weren't thinking about sleep duration in genetic terms, said Ying-Hue Fu, PhD professor of neurology and member of the UCSF Whale Institute for Neurosciences. | ||
| Fu led the research teams that discovered both short sleep genes, the newest of which is described in a paper published August 28, 2019, the Journal of Neuron. | ||
| According to Fu, many scientists once thought that certain sleep behaviors couldn't be studied genetically. | ||
| Sleep can be difficult to study using the tools of human genetics because people use alarms, coffee, and pills to alter their natural sleep cycles, she said. | ||
| These sleep disruptions, the thinking went, made it difficult for researchers to distinguish between people who naturally sleep for less than six hours and those who do so only with the aid of an artificial stimulant. | ||
| And natural short sleepers remained a mystery until 2009 when a study conducted by Fu's team discovered that The finding... | ||
| Provided the first conclusive evidence that natural short sleep is, at least in some cases, genetic. | ||
| But this mutation is rare, so while it helped explain some natural short sleepers, it couldn't account for all of them. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, that is interesting. | ||
| I think Jocko is just an animal. | ||
| Yeah, just must vary. | ||
| I think he likes being tired. | ||
| I think he likes waking up tired and then pushing through it. | ||
| He's probably so used to suffering on a daily that that just becomes his baseline. | ||
| If he's not suffering, he probably doesn't feel right. | ||
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| Right? | ||
| Go to his Instagram. | ||
| How many photos are there of his watch at 4.30 in the morning? | ||
| He's got the best Instagram, but the worst Instagram. | ||
| You're just like, another watch photo. | ||
| But you know he's getting after it. | ||
| I know, it's a shitty Timex watch with scratches all over it that he's probably had for a decade. | ||
| My go-to when I'm working out, Joe, is I'll go on Spotify and I'll search Jocko, Goggins, Rogan, Jim Motivation, and they'll have these snippets from different YouTube videos of your show when you have someone on and you're getting psyched, or Goggins saying you're a bitch if you don't work out hard or whatever it is, and then Jocko saying a bunch of stuff. | ||
| It's like this hyper-motivational stuff, and then I'll listen to that as I'm working out. | ||
| I swear, for sure, it's like maybe 30-40% difference in my output. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| I work way harder. | ||
| Isn't it wild what inspiration could do? | ||
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| Like a Rocky movie. | ||
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| Yeah, I send it to people. | ||
| It's like a drug. | ||
| I'll be working out and so fired up, I'll share it and be like, hey, next workout, you gotta try this. | ||
| It's like that good. | ||
| It's like pre-workout, but the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting how... | ||
| Mental, something that happens to you that's inspirational. | ||
| Like some sort of mental fuel. | ||
| It's like a physical drug. | ||
| Your body responds to it like a physical drug and you get fired up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's real. | ||
| Music is like that. | ||
| Most of the time, I don't work out to music. | ||
| I just work out. | ||
| I usually watch something on TV. I'll watch fights or something on TV. But every now and then, I work out with music on, and my god, you got an extra gear because of the music. | ||
| You get fired up by a good song. | ||
| Say if you're doing Tabata sprints on the Airdyne bike, a good song comes on and you're like, fuck yeah! | ||
| It just gives you extra energy. | ||
| And it feels so good when you're done, when you've really worked hard. | ||
| I love that feeling. | ||
| It's a drug. | ||
| Inspiration is a drug. | ||
| Inspiration through music, inspiration through movies, inspiration through little short Instagram clips. | ||
| It's a drug. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy how what you listen to through your headphones can completely change the way your brain's thinking and just give you more output physically. | ||
| Like, it's pretty damn cool. | ||
| It is cool. | ||
| We're just very fortunate that there's so many sources of inspiration today. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| It's infinity. | ||
| Yeah, it's like no other time that's ever existed. | ||
| I save them, too. | ||
| I have, like, a folder on my Instagram with just fucking awesome clips that I can just go to at any time. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Bookmarks. | ||
| I love that, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So how has the bowhunting in Hawaii been? | ||
| It's been good. | ||
| It's been good for me. | ||
| I've been bowhunting Axis deer a lot. | ||
| I actually took the year off hunting elk. | ||
| I saw that you were hunting elk and we talked. | ||
| Yeah, you had a really exciting elk season. | ||
| I want to hear about that. | ||
| But yeah, it's been amazing. | ||
| I've been not home very much, but the last couple times I was home in Hawaii, I bow hunted axis deer. | ||
| I went on this last trip, I killed four deer. | ||
| And that was just lots of fun. | ||
| Just spent tons of time mostly spooking deer and missing. | ||
| Were you on Maui? | ||
| Yeah, I was. | ||
| The thing about Axis deer hunting is it's so sustainable. | ||
| It's such a great way to get food because there's no natural predators. | ||
| They literally have to be hunted. | ||
| And there's fucking thousands of them. | ||
| Thousands. | ||
| Thousands. | ||
| When we did Lanai, remember when we had the Dream Team? | ||
| Yeah, it was such a good trip. | ||
| I was so glad to do it again, man. | ||
| It was you, me, Cam Haynes, John Dudley, Adam Greentree, Remy Warren... | ||
| Ben O'Brien. | ||
| Benny. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It was such a good crew. | ||
| What a crew! | ||
| I know, it was wild. | ||
| What a great time we had! | ||
| Yeah, we had the best time ever. | ||
| And then we did that podcast in my hotel room. | ||
| A lot of deer got killed that week. | ||
| A lot of deer, yeah. | ||
| That gave a lot of people a very delusional perspective of how easy it is to hunt axis deer. | ||
| No kidding, yeah. | ||
| The guides told me that they had 150 hunters come in after us, and one of them was successful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| Everybody else pulled a rifle. | ||
| It's so hard, yeah. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| Like, I always tell people that. | ||
| I'm like, I'll see a thousand deer in a day. | ||
| It's not unusual for me to see a thousand deer in a day. | ||
| And they're like, how'd you only get one? | ||
| Or how'd you get none? | ||
| Like, sometimes I go access deer hunting in Hawaii for three days straight and not get one. | ||
| Yeah, easily. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Easily. | |
| It is so hard to get close enough into bow range where you're trying to get 30 yards away from a deer. | ||
| And there's 200 deer in front of you in a herd. | ||
| I have a video of a shot. | ||
| I'll try to find it on my phone. | ||
| But I have a video of a shot I took at 80 yards. | ||
| And it's a perfect shot. | ||
| Like, this arrow's arcing right towards the vitals at 80 yards. | ||
| When the arrow's 10 yards away from the deer, he's like, and he's gone. | ||
| Like, not there. | ||
| 10 yards! | ||
| Like, the arrow's going... | ||
| I don't know how fast it was going by the time it got to him, but on the way there, it's going 275 feet a second. | ||
| And when it got close to him, he heard it, and he was... | ||
| They've evolved to get away from tigers. | ||
| Isn't that insane? | ||
| Those motherfuckers are so twitchy. | ||
| They're so fast. | ||
| Jamie, can you pull up Instagram? | ||
| Can you go to Matt Miola, his page? | ||
| One of my really good friends that I bow hunt with in Hawaii. | ||
| How do you spell Miola? | ||
| M-E-O-L-A. This guy is one of my favorite human beings, by the way. | ||
| He's a legend. | ||
| Really good bow hunter. | ||
| Great surfer. | ||
| One of the best air surfers in the world. | ||
| Air? | ||
| What's an air surfer? | ||
| He's just incredible at airs. | ||
| See that up on the upper right? | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| If you scroll down, yeah, if you scroll down, there's one. | ||
| He's so funny, this guy. | ||
| Great fisherman, great bow hunter. | ||
| Okay, go back up. | ||
| In the middle, right there. | ||
| No, yeah, right in the middle. | ||
| I think this one, if you see it, it'll show he's taking shots at axis deer, and you'll see his arrow in the air. | ||
| You see it? | ||
| And watch the deer. | ||
| It's going perfect. | ||
| He's like, fuck it, let me get out of here. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That was a perfect shot and a clean miss at the same time. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
| They're so fast. | ||
| There's another one right here. | ||
| Well, when we went to Lanai... | ||
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Look at this. | |
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| The arrows are going so fast. | ||
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So fast! | |
| And the deer are faster. | ||
| They just duck and run. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| The amount of perfect shots you've made and completely missed is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| When you see them in slow-mo and you realize, like, oh, I don't suck. | ||
| Like, these things are fucking greased lightning. | ||
| But they will make you throw your bow in the air. | ||
| They'll make you buy a rifle. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know so many people who have tried to go bow hunting for access deer and end up shooting one with a rifle. | ||
| Well, with a rifle, it's more ethical. | ||
| Because the reality is with a rifle, you're going to 100% get a deer. | ||
| Or 10. Yeah. | ||
| And if you want to get that meat, that's the way to do it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because they can't dodge bullets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're filling the freezer, that's the best way. | ||
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100%. | |
| By far. | ||
| By far the best way. | ||
| The best way to do it. | ||
| And I'm not opposed to rifle hunting. | ||
| I mean, I shot a pig. | ||
| I'm not either. | ||
| I shot a pig last week with a rifle. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| And after a long-ass bow hunt, I just loved having it on a rest, looking at that fucking reticle, and just BOOM! And he stoned him. | ||
| He just dropped dead and now got... | ||
| He was a big-ass fucking pig. | ||
| So I have... | ||
| I mean, who knows how many pounds of sausage I'm going to get from this. | ||
| It's going to be amazing. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| They make great sausage. | ||
| But he was a fat boy. | ||
| I've only killed one animal with a gun. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was the first animal I ever killed. | ||
| Wow, that's a freaking dinosaur, dude. | ||
| It's a big-ass pig. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A cool-looking, too. | ||
| Big-ass wild boar. | ||
| And where I was at in California, they're overwhelmed with them. | ||
| There's so many. | ||
| We saw hundreds of pigs every day. | ||
| Hard to get close to, though, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're very, very smart. | ||
| Like rolling hills? | ||
| Yeah, very smart, but with a rifle, it's so much easier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to do it, just squeeze it, don't move, boom! | ||
| There's so much less moving stuff. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| When you're at full draw, and you've got your anchor point, I have a nose button, so I have to touch this thing to my nose, and I have to make sure that my finger is right under my jawline. | ||
| Right, a lot of things to think about. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on that has to be. | ||
| My elbow, make sure it's up in the air and not like this. | ||
| There's so many... | ||
| I have to think the bubble has to be leveled. | ||
| Make sure the housing is centered in the peep sight. | ||
| And you're going through all this while you're in this... | ||
| High pressure situation with this fucking massive elk of a lifetime standing in front of you at 50 yards, and then you gotta put the pin on its vitals, then your nerves are going, so you gotta make sure you're centering that pin, and make sure that pin's not moving too much, and then the shot breaks perfect. | ||
| But when it does happen, and you hear that, whack! | ||
| And then the elk runs off. | ||
| In this case, in California, my elk died in literally 10 seconds. | ||
| It was the fastest I've ever had an elk die. | ||
| It was a perfect quartering away shot. | ||
| So it shot through the ribs, like a little back. | ||
| So, you know, quartering away shot. | ||
| What that means, folks, is instead of the animal standing... | ||
| Completely sideways. | ||
| It's slightly facing away. | ||
| So it's looking away from you slightly, which is actually a much better shot because then you're going through like three and a half, four feet of body cavity with a broadhead. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Opens up the vitals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the animal died almost instantly. | ||
| It ran for 80 yards, like as much as it could before it just died. | ||
| And it died instantly. | ||
| So let me ask you this. | ||
| So I'm totally not opposed to rifle hunting at all. | ||
| I think rifles are great for filling the freezer and totally ethical hunting. | ||
| But for you, that rifle hunt sometimes and bow hunt sometimes, the feeling of making the perfect archery shot on a bull elk and the feeling of seeing that arrow go through the air and hit it exactly where you aimed... | ||
| And that elk going down in 10 seconds, it's a different feeling, right? | ||
| It's way better. | ||
| It's much, much, much, much, much more difficult. | ||
| Because you can have a very ethical shot on a deer with a rifle at 200 yards, where the deer might not have any idea you're even there. | ||
| Especially if you're prone. | ||
| So if you have a pack and you rest your rifle on the pack and you're lying down in your stomach, And you breathe out and relax. | ||
| That bullet is flying so straight. | ||
| If your rifle is zeroed and you look at the reticle and you get those crosshairs perfectly on the vitals, that's a dead deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas with bow hunting, you've got wind, you've got all sorts of shit going on, and you have to get so close that you're within the animal senses. | ||
| Like, when I... Crept up on this elk that I shot last week. | ||
| I wore two pairs of wool socks. | ||
| I took my shoes off. | ||
| So I could creep in. | ||
| Because he was bedded. | ||
| So damn cool. | ||
| It was so cool. | ||
| Because it was the perfect opportunity. | ||
| Because he was bedded and he was looking away from me. | ||
| I was like, oh, he's dead. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| I just have to do this the right way. | ||
| And so I started out at like 110 yards. | ||
| And I crept in very slowly. | ||
| The final 60 yards. | ||
| Because there was like a bunch of shit in the way. | ||
| I had to get to 50. And I got to 60, I was like, I like it, but I don't like these branches and shit. | ||
| I gotta get to the right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which is like another 10 yards. | ||
| It took me like another 10 minutes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just nice and slow. | ||
| But when I got to 50, and he was still bedded, I'm like, oh, he's dead. | ||
| I just have to wait for him to stand up. | ||
| And then eventually he got up, stretched his legs out, and whack! | ||
| Were you on your knees or standing up? | ||
| Standing. | ||
| I was standing in the tree. | ||
| This is actually a video of it. | ||
| It's on my Instagram. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
| Pull that video up because it's dope because you see how good the Origin camo is? | ||
| We're working with Origin now. | ||
| And Origin is Jocko's company and Cam Haynes, me, and Kip Folks who started Under Armour. | ||
| That's me right up there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So look how well I blend in. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's great. | ||
| And you can actually hear it. | ||
| Give the volume so you could hear the whole thing, which is for a bow hunter, listen to this sweet shot. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what you want to hear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great noise right there. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's also interesting, like, at 50 yards, listen to this. | ||
| This is like half a second though. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| That's enough time. | ||
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There's time there. | |
| For an axis deer, that motherfucker would be gone. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| Hard to imagine. | ||
| But the elk, he had no idea what that was. | ||
| He didn't even look. | ||
| He just heard the slap into his body and he was gone. | ||
| He was gone in 10 seconds. | ||
| That's the other difference too. | ||
| Gun hunting and bow hunting, it's so different. | ||
| I guess there's two super big things that I can think of are super different. | ||
| One is if that elk was behind some grass or a brush, you can still shoot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you aim well, it's going to go right through that ship. | ||
| Right. | ||
| With an arrow, there's no chance. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then the other thing is, if you're going archery hunting for elk or axis deer or something like that, you've got to practice a lot. | ||
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A lot. | |
| With a gun, if that thing is zeroed in... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you've shot a gun before? | ||
| The animal's dead. | ||
| I hadn't shot a rifle in over a year. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I shot that pig. | ||
| Imagine doing that with a bow and going bow hunting. | ||
| I would never do it. | ||
| I would never do it. | ||
| I would never even think about that. | ||
| That's a huge difference. | ||
| I would never even consider doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would be unethical. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And so in Texas, it was 105 degrees in the summer, and I was outside in the summer every day for three hours practicing. | ||
| And so what I'd do is I'd bring a 64-inch hydro flask, and I'd fill it up with water and liquid IV, and I'd just be drinking electrolytes all day and just shooting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was the way that I did it. | ||
| I would come in and I would be drenched, like I just jumped in the pool. | ||
| That's what you have to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| I mean, I have a 40-yard range indoors here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is great. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| But it's not enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I need to practice. | ||
| I don't shoot things at a really long distance, but I practice. | ||
| I'll practice at 100. Yeah. | ||
| And the reason I practice at 100. Oh, Jesus. | ||
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I'm sorry. | |
| What the hell? | ||
| Well, the reason I practice at 100 is not to shoot something at 100. It's because when I get to 50, I've got it. | ||
| 50 yards to me is an easy shot. | ||
| That's what they say, right? | ||
| You want to practice it twice the distance that is your effective range. | ||
| Yeah, because when you get nervous, all dependent upon how calm you can stay. | ||
| And one of the things is certain people, like yourself, are very good at being calm in high pressure situations because you've done so many high pressure things. | ||
| You know, when you're big wave surfing, I've got to imagine, I've seen some of the fucking waves you ride. | ||
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That has got to be a crazy rush. | |
| And you've got to keep your shit together and you're balancing yourself out on the forces of nature. | ||
| Millions of pounds of water that's working at an insane rate. | ||
| There's insane forces and you got to keep your shit together while you're on that. | ||
| So it makes sense to me why so many surfers get into bow hunting because it's another way that you can kind of stay calm in an insanely pressure-filled situation. | ||
| Now, if you're a regular guy who maybe played baseball in high school or something like that, you don't have any real pressure situations in your life. | ||
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Triggering baseball players around the world, bro! | |
| Baseball's hard. | ||
| When you're at the plate, it's a little bit. | ||
| If you're just a baseball player or something, you have no high-pressure situations. | ||
| In high school. | ||
| I said in high school. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I mean, there's a little bit. | ||
| There's a little bit. | ||
| I'm just busting your balls. | ||
| People are just so microaggressioned out these days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen... | ||
| If you like baseball, good for you. | ||
| But the point is, it's like if you're a guy who just has an office job and there's a little bit of pressure in work or stress, there's a giant difference between managing your physical body under the demands of extreme pressure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| That's what I like. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like scary shit. | ||
| I like to do things that scare the fuck out of me. | ||
| That's why I liked fighting. | ||
| That's why I like jujitsu. | ||
| That's why I like comedy. | ||
| I like things that are nerve-wracking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I enjoy when it's over. | ||
| I enjoy success. | ||
| I enjoy... | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| ...pulling off. | ||
| It was a huge challenge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The battle to overcome fear or pressure... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the moment is huge and that's why I love bow hunting. | ||
| That's why I love it. | ||
| That moment when there's that elk and you know that this is your time, this is your window and every single thing that you've done in the last six months, every shot that you've taken, every target you've worn out is just critical on that specific moment and you have to keep mentally... | ||
| You know, calm, like you said, in the zone, and you see that arrow hit exactly where you aimed in that pressure cooker situation. | ||
| There's nothing like it. | ||
| I never thought I'd find something like that besides, like, surfing really big waves. | ||
| And now I have. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Well, a lot of fighters say that, too, and a lot of athletes, like Derek Wolf, who played for the NFL. He's found a great relief and a great discipline in bow hunting. | ||
| And he's really dived full into it. | ||
| But that's a thing for a lot of folks. | ||
| A lot of veterans that return back, that's a thing that really helps them assimilate and just find some new thing that's like this discipline that they can high pressure. | ||
| And also for me, when I'm sitting down and I'm eating a meal and I'm cooking a meal for my family and we're all sitting there eating, this is something that I got myself. | ||
| I harvested this myself. | ||
| An intense connection with your food. | ||
| And it's the best meat in the world. | ||
| The best protein in the world. | ||
| It's the best for you. | ||
| I love seeing it on your... | ||
| I really love seeing it on your Instagram that you eat your wild game all the time. | ||
| I actually know hunters that like... | ||
| Especially when I first started hunting, it was kind of rare. | ||
| Like amongst my hunting friend group to actually make their own game. | ||
| They just love bow hunting. | ||
| But it wasn't like the meat part was a huge part of it. | ||
| My wife eats axis deer twice a day. | ||
| She eats it at lunch and she eats it at dinner. | ||
| Almost every day. | ||
| It's kind of wild. | ||
| Even when I'm not even home. | ||
| She cooks it for my kids. | ||
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Well, it's delicious. | |
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| When I first started hunting, she wasn't super into it. | ||
| And now that she eats it every day, she just doesn't want to eat anything else, which is really cool. | ||
| It's so good for you. | ||
| It's the most nutrient-dense food in the world. | ||
| And axis deer has a Amazing flavor. | ||
| It's so interesting. | ||
| It's almost sweet. | ||
| Axis deer has got this beautiful, amazing, renewable resource, especially where you live, that you literally have to kill them. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| There's no predators. | ||
| Unless you want to bring tigers to lanai. | ||
| That's what you'd have to bring. | ||
| And people will argue with that, but if... | ||
| The problem is in Hawaii, the deer were introduced, there's native forests, there's native birds, they have a huge impact on the land, and then if you just let them go, their numbers get so big, and then there's a drought, like in a place like Lanai, all of a sudden it won't rain for six months, and the feed goes away. | ||
| And then you have 10,000 deer with no food, and what happens is they die these horrible, miserable deaths. | ||
| So you have to keep those numbers in check, that way when there is a drought, they still all live. | ||
| They're much healthier that way. | ||
| Also, it provides very cheap meat to these people that live there. | ||
| It's like the most incredible resource for them. | ||
| I mean, you go to Lanai, the Four Seasons of Lanai is excellent. | ||
| It's such a good resort. | ||
| And it's so great that you can stay at the Four Seasons and then go bow hunting. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| But they have like Axis sliders that they sell. | ||
| What is that farm? | ||
| What is that restaurant that's there? | ||
| Malibu Farms? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I forget what it is. | ||
| On Lanai? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At the Four Seasons. | ||
| They have Axis sliders. | ||
| Oh, they're so fucking good. | ||
| They're so good. | ||
| Axis is such a fantastic meat. | ||
| But if I had to pick one, it's elk. | ||
| That's my favorite meat, by far. | ||
| Maybe it's because of the experience. | ||
| The meat is absolutely delicious, too. | ||
| And I can cook it so many different ways. | ||
| I make elk stew. | ||
| I cook sausages. | ||
| I have some of it turned into jerky. | ||
| I eat it all the time. | ||
| When's the last time you made yourself an elk steak and you got halfway through and you weren't hungry enough for the rest and just threw the rest in the trash? | ||
| Zero times. | ||
| It always goes in the fridge. | ||
| That's pretty cool, right? | ||
| Think of all the people who eat half a steak and then just send it back in the restaurant. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| They don't even think that that's an animal. | ||
| There's no connection. | ||
| Very, very different when you've hunted it yourself. | ||
| And my kids eat it. | ||
| Everybody eats it. | ||
| And I just think it makes you healthier. | ||
| It's just better for you. | ||
| It's so nutrient-dense. | ||
| You feel like you can run through a brick wall and eat that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It looks so different, too. | ||
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| I love it when you get really, really fit and people are like, bro, what are you eating? | ||
| And I'm like, just deer meat. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| Literally, that's pretty much all I eat. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| It's very, very, very good for you. | ||
| It really is good. | ||
| If you're trying to get fit, and you're working out, and you're trying to eat really, really good, nutritious food, if you're eating venison, man... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy results. | ||
| And if you're a person that doesn't have the patience for bow hunting or doesn't appeal to you, get a rifle. | ||
| Get a rifle. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Go to Maui. | ||
| Go to Lanai. | ||
| You can shoot three or four deer. | ||
| Or Texas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or Texas. | ||
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| There's a lot of them in Texas. | ||
| In Texas, it's a little weirder because a lot of these places are these high-fence places where these animals are essentially contained in a park. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
| That's not my type of hunting, but if you're just going for the meat? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, if you're going for the meat, I don't care. | ||
| Just shoot him in a fence. | ||
| Don't shoot him in a fence. | ||
| It doesn't even matter. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If you're trying to fill the freezer. | ||
| One of the things that I also find is that you really need practice. | ||
| Like, you don't want your first shot of the year on a live animal to be an elk that's like a.350 elk in Utah that's going through the woods, and you've got a small gap to shoot it, and you're like, ah! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You really would need reps. | ||
| And pigs provide the best reps in Texas. | ||
| Most definitely. | ||
| They have to kill them. | ||
| They're fucking everywhere. | ||
| It's a plague. | ||
| There's a friend of mine who has a friend of mine, my friend Tyler, shout out to Archery Country, best bow shop in the world. | ||
| It's out here in Austin. | ||
| We go to, there's a hunting lease that he has, and we go out there and it's fucking swarming with pigs. | ||
| And you know, you can practice on pigs, you get this amazing meat from those pigs, and you can get those shots in, which I think are critical. | ||
| There's so many bases you have to cover if you want to be a successful bowhunter. | ||
| And one of the things I should shout out is Joel Turner. | ||
| Because this Shot IQ system that Joel Turner has developed, he's a sniper. | ||
| And he worked with the SWAT teams. | ||
| And he developed, he was trying to figure out what is it about these high pressure situations that cause people to flinch and panic and get target panic and fuck up shots. | ||
| And especially in a hostage situation, like with a sniper, it's insanely important that you keep your shit together. | ||
| Because you might have to make a headshot on someone who has a knife to a hostage. | ||
| You can't mess that up. | ||
| You can't mess that up. | ||
| Joel researched what happens to the mind and what are closed loop and open loop systems. | ||
| An open loop system is like when you're swinging a bat at a ball. | ||
| So you can't stop it. | ||
| You're swinging that bat and once you initiate that movement, it's going. | ||
| It's going. | ||
| Closed loop system is at any time you can stop. | ||
| So during the process of a shot, you are well aware of what... | ||
| You're not just like hammering the trigger and flinching and panicking. | ||
| What you're doing is going through this very specific shot process. | ||
| I have things that I say to myself in my mind while it's going on. | ||
| I keep talking to myself so I'm never flinching and panicking and freaking out. | ||
| I stay in my shot process. | ||
| And because of Joel, I've been much, much better at, like, keeping my shit together during those... | ||
| And I've been doing that for about five years now. | ||
| Is that a book or a podcast or something? | ||
| He's got a website. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| ShotIQ.com? | ||
| And it's just information that you consume and then you practice it? | ||
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| Well, he breaks it down to you. | ||
| One of the things that he makes... | ||
| Is it like video-based, the stuff he does? | ||
| Yeah, video-based. | ||
| I'll have to check that out. | ||
| He talks about... | ||
| And he's thoroughly researched this. | ||
| I mean, he keeps improving it and updating it, but I know, like... | ||
| World-class archers like Levi Morgan who use it, who's like literally the greatest archer of all time. | ||
| He uses it. | ||
| And these guys use it in order to have a process that you utilize while you're in the middle of a shot to keep talking to yourself. | ||
| Cam Haynes... | ||
| Developed his own process on his own and didn't necessarily know that that's what he was doing. | ||
| He just knew what was best for him. | ||
| And what he does is he puts the pin on the animal and then he says to himself, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| The shot breaks. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's going through it in his mind. | ||
| Like when he's at full draw on an animal, he's like, keep the pin on him, keep the pin on him. | ||
| And the shot breaks. | ||
| Whereas some people, like, they shoot and they just fucking flinch and then they fucking hit them in the antlers. | ||
| So many people, like, freak out in that moment. | ||
| And having a process, I think the biggest thing is just, even if your process isn't perfect, having a process to think about instead of thinking about the pressure, thinking about that moment, when you're just sitting there at full draw and you're like, hey, Pin on the animal. | ||
| Get my anchor really good. | ||
| Look at the bubble. | ||
| Okay, first pin for sure, or third pin for sure. | ||
| He's at 50, it's a third pin, or whatever it is. | ||
| Having that process, and then high elbow, pull through, pull through the shot, and then like, you know. | ||
| And follow the arrow. | ||
| Yeah, follow through. | ||
| I think just having that process and really talking to yourself in that pressure cooker moment is the way. | ||
| Remy has an interesting thing he says too. | ||
| Remy says, be the arrow. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Yeah, which I like. | ||
| I incorporated that too. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| This idea of be the arrow. | ||
| Like you are literally thinking you are the arrow. | ||
| You know where you want that arrow to go. | ||
| You're concentrating on that. | ||
| Be the arrow. | ||
| And then when he releases that shot, he's like following it. | ||
| He like is the arrow. | ||
| And then whack! | ||
| And you know, very few people are more successful than Remy. | ||
| One of my bowhunting mentors, Jeff, he used to take me bowhunting when I was a lot younger. | ||
| And he goes, you know what I used to always tell myself when I was at full draw and right before the arrow broke? | ||
| He said, I would look at the animal. | ||
| The last thing I would do is say, you're going to fucking die. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
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| And it sounds kind of messed up. | ||
| There's all these non-hunters listening to this, like, whoa, that's really messed up. | ||
| But he goes, like, think about it, like, psychologically. | ||
| That's what you're doing in that moment. | ||
| And you've got to, like, really embrace that instead of hoping, instead of coming from a perspective of hope. | ||
| Like, oh, I hope that arrow gets there in the right spot. | ||
| I hope I don't mess this up. | ||
| It's like that confirmation in your mind telling yourself that this is what you're doing here. | ||
| This is the intention. | ||
| The arrow's going to go there, and that's what's going to happen. | ||
| And believing instead of hoping. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| But the way he said it was interesting. | ||
| But he's like, it's powerful, honestly. | ||
| So having a process and being super confident that all the work is paying off in the moment, you're going to make that shot is key. | ||
| It is a discipline. | ||
| And if you want to take this journey, you have to understand it's a discipline and it requires work. | ||
| It requires a lot of work and a lot of thinking and it's going to be a lot of pressure. | ||
| But that's what I like about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And again, at the end, the end result is it's so rewarding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it crazy? | ||
| I don't know if this is going to take us down a rabbit hole, but... | ||
| I like rabbit holes. | ||
| I was just tripping. | ||
| The fact that we're here in your studio talking about bow hunting and food. | ||
| And there's a war. | ||
| There's like people putting missiles together into a machine, like some launcher thing right now. | ||
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Israel is about to invade Gaza. | |
| They're talking about a ground invasion of Gaza and they're preparing for it. | ||
| So gnarly. | ||
| This is terrifying. | ||
| It's so terrifying because we're so close to World War III. We're so close. | ||
| It's no joke, man. | ||
| That really feels like that's what's happening. | ||
| It is happening. | ||
| It scares the fucking shit out of me. | ||
| Yeah, it does me too. | ||
| And someone from the government was just having some sort of a press conference where they're saying, you know, we are at war and war is messy. | ||
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And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| Shouldn't we be doing everything we can to avoid this? | ||
| Every single possible thing that we can to avoid this. | ||
| And it doesn't seem like they look ahead. | ||
| They just go, here's what we got to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Here's what we have to do. | ||
| Like, I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Like, what happened on October 7th, was it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was horrible. | ||
| Absolute atrocity and, like, barbaric and absolutely terrible. | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| You have to retaliate and you have to do what you got to do. | ||
| But how do you do that? | ||
| Like, of course you want to get rid of Hamas. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I completely support that. | ||
| I think everybody supports that for the most part. | ||
| But how do you do that without so much collateral damage? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| And then even more important than that is fast forward five years from now. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| What are the repercussions? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Especially around that whole area with all those Arab countries. | ||
| And we're backing that. | ||
| We're backing them killing All these people there, and we're also backing Ukraine against Russia, and now it looks like we're going to back Taiwan. | ||
| We just sent an aid package to Taiwan, billions of dollars, to Taiwan. | ||
| It's like we're opposing all these, like, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're opposing China, Russia, and now these Arab countries. | ||
| Yeah, it's scary, man. | ||
| I'm not the person to talk politics, or, you know, international military strategy, but I'm just watching the news and trying not to, and just trying... | ||
| And it's funny, because I... I mean, I've always known about Israel and Palestine, just from what I hear on the news and like just sort of hearing like kind of understanding on the most surface level. | ||
| And it wasn't till now, age 51, where I was actually I've been watching, like listening to podcasts, watching documentaries, trying to like educate myself and like figure out what this conflict, how it came to be, what the history was. | ||
| And it's the more I try to learn about it, the more complicated it seems. | ||
| Yeah, it's terrifying. | ||
| It's terrifying and the consequences for all of us are so grave. | ||
| Because if it does go completely sideways, if someone goes nuclear, we're fucked. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| The world's fucked. | ||
| I mean, we're getting knocked back into the Stone Age, if we're lucky. | ||
| If we're lucky. | ||
| If we're not lucky, the whole human race gets wiped out. | ||
| And all it takes is one person to go rogue. | ||
| For Hamas to do what they did in Israel, that was totally strategic. | ||
| They didn't do all that barbaric shit in that way, just to prove a point. | ||
| They wanted a crazy emotional response. | ||
| They were trying to escalate the situation, obviously, right? | ||
| You would never do that without going, what is this going to do? | ||
| Because obviously they're going to do full-on airstrikes, ground invasion. | ||
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| It's pretty obvious that that's going to happen. | ||
| So they basically wanted that to happen. | ||
| I listened to the Coleman Hughes podcast. | ||
| You just had Coleman on the show a couple days ago, whatever that was. | ||
| The way he broke that down, how he simplified everything, and he made so much sense out of it. | ||
| I just can't stop thinking about the repercussions of retaliation and escalation and getting every single other country involved. | ||
| It's just wild. | ||
| When it gets me is late at night when I'm alone. | ||
| This was even before the Hamas invasion. | ||
| It was just thinking about Ukraine and Russia. | ||
| I would be at home and, you know, just go through the news feed and read some stories and then everyone in my house be asleep and I'd be awake and I was just going, fuck, is this the last days of normal civilization? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because every movie where, you know, we ascend into the apocalypse or descend into the apocalypse, that's how it starts. | ||
| It's like, you know, there's normal life, dropping your kids off at school, bye honey, I love you, and then... | ||
| Hours later, sirens, bombs, powers off, no water, no food. | ||
| People are struggling. | ||
| It's just like if nuclear bombs start going off, the world will be unrecognizable. | ||
| We will be right back to barbaric Stone Age monsters in a matter of months. | ||
| A matter of weeks, days even. | ||
| There's no power, no food, no nothing. | ||
| You know, the fucking border's been invaded by hundreds of thousands of illegals. | ||
| How many of them are militants? | ||
| How many of them have snuck in across the border and are forming terror cells? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| I mean, that's the giant fear. | ||
| That's for sure happening. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| There's no doubt. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I read this thing that there's like six to ten million people that came across the southern border in the last four to five years. | ||
| That's as many people that live in New York City. | ||
| And then like a crazy increase in people coming across the northern border. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
| And I see it. | ||
| I've been in California a lot the last few months. | ||
| It's insane how many more people are just... | ||
| Obviously, all of a sudden just appearing, like getting dropped off on street corners with buses. | ||
| Literally, just in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| They literally just get off the bus with a cell phone. | ||
| But look at New York City. | ||
| When Coleman was explaining how New York City literally has a mandate to house its homeless. | ||
| And that was supposed to be the people that lived there that were down on their luck. | ||
| And now it's people that have come in from other cities, or other countries, rather, illegally. | ||
| And they're trying to make it so that those people can vote. | ||
| And do you see what they're doing with people from Venezuela? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| They're sending people back from Venezuela? | ||
| Only from Venezuela. | ||
| Yeah, because Venezuela opposes socialism, so they're not gonna vote Democratic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't want those people. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| This is fucking wild! | ||
| It's crazy how it's so odd, like when you start thinking about it like that, that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's like totally political, all these moves. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're literally importing Democratic voters. | ||
| They think by allowing the borders to be porous and by giving people aid and giving people housing that you're essentially guaranteeing that if you can rig it so that those people are allowed to vote, those people are going to vote Democratic. | ||
| And if you could say that, oh, voter ID is racist, like, what? | ||
| Voter ID is racist? | ||
| That's crazy that they think that. | ||
| And they don't think that. | ||
| They don't think that. | ||
| They know that that's not true. | ||
| It's horse shit. | ||
| It's all political horse shit, but that's... | ||
| Unfortunately, the level of discourse that we have today, especially with all the virtue signaling on social media and all the people clamoring to prove that they're the most progressive and the most open-minded and equitable and we're all down for inclusivity and like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| There's going to be repercussions to all that for sure. | ||
| I mean, you see the videos in New York City and Chicago and these places where they're dropping all these people off. | ||
| They'll like video 500 people in a row and it'll be like two women. | ||
| And almost everyone's like between 20 and 30 years old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all military age dudes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what do you think is going to happen five years from now? | ||
| Right. | ||
| With like 10 million illegal immigrants here. | ||
| Also, if you're importing people that have come from horrible crime ravaged parts of the world, that's what they grew up with. | ||
| That's what they're accustomed to. | ||
| And if you also have a defunding of the police and you also have a complete disrespect for law enforcement in this country, it's a recipe for disaster. | ||
| Well, and think of it, it's so crazy because everybody has a smartphone these days, even Even in, you know, pretty much every country, people have a smartphone and access to the internet. | ||
| There's 8 billion people on the planet. | ||
| The U.S. has incredible, like the lifestyle, like the normal lifestyle in America is crazy, like a joke, how good it is. | ||
| People have got it so good in this country. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| 8 billion people are looking at that with social media and they're seeing on the news thousands and thousands and thousands of people walking across straight into the U.S. and getting all these incredible things in return for doing it. | ||
| I would be wanting to come here too if I was from some fucked up country. | ||
| 100%! | ||
| I don't blame them at all. | ||
| I don't even blame them. | ||
| I would 100% be one of those people making their way across. | ||
| If I lived in Guatemala or wherever, all I had to do was hike for a couple of weeks And I could be in America and get a landscaping job and feed my family. | ||
| You get a bus ticket to frickin' Tijuana or wherever and then just walk across the border. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I feel like nobody agrees that having a secure border is a bad idea. | ||
| I think everyone thinks a secure border is a good idea. | ||
| Well, it became a political talking point during the Trump administration because people wanted to label Trump as racist and they wanted to label the wall as racist. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's so dumb. | ||
| Obama was talking about that. | ||
| Obama was talking about that in 2013, that we have to secure our borders. | ||
| And I was reading that it would cost between $4 and $6 billion to finish the wall, and we sent $100 billion to Ukraine. | ||
| We accidentally over-sent $6 billion to Ukraine. | ||
| That's enough to finish the wall and secure the border. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| Well, they need more than that, really, because people climb that wall. | ||
| Well, you have drones and all these. | ||
| They need reinforcements. | ||
| They need patrols. | ||
| They need law enforcement. | ||
| That's what they need. | ||
| They need border enforcement. | ||
| They're terribly undermanned. | ||
| And everybody that I know, like my military friends that have gone down there and visited, like Tim Kennedy is always telling me, you've got to go down there. | ||
| You should just go see what's happening. | ||
| And he was telling me this two years ago. | ||
| He was like, two years ago, it's fucking nuts. | ||
| And now it's even worse. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I feel like the problems are slowly then suddenly with that type of thing. | ||
| Where you don't really realize. | ||
| It's like in New York, they're like, it's a sanctuary city. | ||
| Everybody's welcome in New York City. | ||
| Just come here. | ||
| Next thing you know, every single immigrant that went there was getting a $300 to $500 hotel room each night. | ||
| And everybody thought that was a good idea. | ||
| That's what I mean, slowly then suddenly. | ||
| You don't really see the problems until it's overwhelming. | ||
| The Roosevelt Hotel in New York City is no longer a hotel. | ||
| I stayed there before the Roosevelt. | ||
| The last time I was really in New York City, I stayed at the Roosevelt. | ||
| The Roosevelt Hotel is now a complete housing center for migrants. | ||
| See if you can find videos of the Roosevelt Hotel today. | ||
| Because the restaurant's no longer a restaurant. | ||
| The hotel's no longer a hotel. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's 100% for migrants, and it's overwhelmed, and it's more than to capacity. | ||
| And New York City, from most people I talk to who live there, is a shit show now. | ||
| It's much more of a shit show than it was. | ||
| This is the Roosevelt Hotel. | ||
| Inside Manhattan's hotel is the new Ellis Island. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I was just in Tijuana for a week, Joe. | ||
| Way fewer homeless people in Tijuana. | ||
| Way fewer than in America, than in California. | ||
| No fentanyl zombies all over the street. | ||
| It's the weirdest thing. | ||
| I went to TJ thinking it was going to be super dangerous. | ||
| I had all these assumptions. | ||
| I felt totally safe. | ||
| I ate five-star restaurants right across the street from where I was staying. | ||
| I was staying at the Hyatt Killer Hotel. | ||
| Right across the street, three incredible restaurants. | ||
| Felt completely safe. | ||
| And like, when I'm in California, there are zombies everywhere. | ||
| Dude, the fentanyl problem is so out of control. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| Did you see this about fentanyl recently? | ||
| Mexico Sinaloa Cartel's message to members, stop making fentanyl or die. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Crime group yields to intensifying U.S. law enforcement pressure and is kidnapping or killing producers who defies ban on trafficking the opioid. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I'm with them. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's fucking up their business. | ||
| Their business is selling cocaine. | ||
| And then these guys make fentanyl and they cut the cocaine with fentanyl and people are dying. | ||
| And then law enforcement pressure starts ramping up. | ||
| And then what they're really worried about is an invasion. | ||
| The military decides to go after the cartel. | ||
| The cartels are fucked. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, they start airstriking cartels with jets. | ||
| Gnarly. | ||
| Yeah, that's a wrap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| How crazy is that how the fentanyl these days is mixed with Trank? | ||
| Or it's Trank? | ||
| Have you heard of that? | ||
| What's Trank? | ||
| I can't believe you haven't heard of this. | ||
| Trank with a Q. So Trank is fentanyl mixed with a horse tranquilizer. | ||
| So the horse tranquilizer makes the fentanyl last much longer is my understanding. | ||
| Jamie's probably looking it up right now. | ||
| But the Trank is a horse tranquilizer. | ||
| They mix it with fentanyl, I think, to make it last longer and make it more powerful. | ||
| And the fucked up thing is it's so toxic, they all inject it. | ||
| It's so toxic that it's so poisonous in your body that your body's trying to get rid of it. | ||
| So it creates these massive sores where the drug is trying to get out. | ||
| I saw that in Russia. | ||
| No, it's here now, dude, big time. | ||
| People are getting sepsis and having to get their limbs amputated. | ||
| It's really, really gnarly. | ||
| Go back to that article that you were just posting. | ||
| DEA-like message about it. | ||
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| Xylazine. | ||
| Xylazine is making the deadliest drug threat in our country that our country has ever faced. | ||
| Fentanyl even deadlier, said Administrator Milgram. | ||
| DEA sees xylazine and fentanyl mixtures in 48 of 50 states. | ||
| The DEA laboratory system is reporting that in 2022, apparently... | ||
| Approximately, rather, 23% of fentanyl powder and 7% of fentanyl pills seized by the DEA contain xylazine. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I have a weird... | ||
| I don't know if obsession's the right word, but I like watching drug documentaries and interviews with drug addicts and DEA agents. | ||
| All that kind of stuff is just kind of fascinating to me because I don't have a drug problem. | ||
| It's just interesting to me how people... | ||
| We'll choose to go down that road over and over and over, even though it just seems like the worst thing ever. | ||
| But the addicts, when they talk about being on fentanyl, they'll choose the xylazine now with the fentanyl because it's much better. | ||
| And they know they're going to die from it really soon, and they keep choosing it. | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| And if you're a heroin addict, you can't even find heroin these days. | ||
| You can't get heroin. | ||
| It's all fentanyl. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've had a few different friends die from fentanyl. | ||
| They thought they were buying a baggie of cocaine and partying and just dropped dead. | ||
| Yeah, that happened to a group of comedians in L.A. recently. | ||
| It's so messed up. | ||
| Fucking horrible. | ||
| It's the number one killer, I think, of people in 18 to 49, something nuts like that. | ||
| It's like 100,000 people a year dying of overdoses. | ||
| What do you think about parents sending test kits with kids to go to parties so they can test the drugs? | ||
| Well, it's certainly better than not testing it and taking it. | ||
| Obviously, the best thing would be to don't take any drugs. | ||
| But, you know, especially when kids are drinking, all your judgment goes out the window. | ||
| You're not thinking straight. | ||
| You're drunk. | ||
| And then someone offers coke, and there's peer pressure, and you're like, I'll try it, and then next thing you know, you're dead. | ||
| You know, if there was a method of testing, and I know they use that a lot at raves, because that was one of the issues at raves, was that people were buying MDMA, and that was laced with fentanyl. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You don't wind up overdosing with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fucking scary shit, man. | ||
| Also, parents are sending their kids Narcan. | ||
| Narcan. | ||
| Narcan. | ||
| To help them survive an overdose. | ||
| Well, and to help other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I heard a lot of kids in Portland are being trained and sending their kids to school with Narcan. | ||
| And they're trained to give Narcan to heroin addicts or to fentanyl addicts. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| That's the other thing they say in those documentaries. | ||
| They always interview the addicts and they say, how many times have you... | ||
| Or they say, have you OD'd before? | ||
| And they're all like, yeah, of course. | ||
| And they're like, how many times? | ||
| They all say countless. | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| Imagine ODing so many times where you literally do not know how many times it's been. | ||
| And then going straight back and getting high again with a needle. | ||
| Yeah, it's nuts. | ||
| It's a real crisis. | ||
| Yeah, it really is a crisis. | ||
| I mean, you have kids. | ||
| I have kids, so these are things that are totally on the front burner for me. | ||
| To me, I'm never sending my kids to a party with test kits. | ||
| I feel like talking to them from a super young age Totally having super transparent, heart-to-heart talks with them about friends that I've had that thought they were getting one drug and it was laced with this shit that is completely deadly and dropping dead. | ||
| Just drugs are different, man. | ||
| They're not how it was when we were kids. | ||
| When we were kids, people would experiment. | ||
| It was completely normal. | ||
| I feel like those days are over in some aspects, you know? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Well, the real problem, and this is a very uncomfortable discussion, but the real problem is that drug prohibition has made criminals the only source of drugs. | ||
| And you have no idea what you're getting. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| And if you make drugs legal, all drugs legal... | ||
| You're gonna have a bunch of people that are doing drugs that wouldn't do drugs if they were illegal. | ||
| So you have that problem. | ||
| And so how do you mitigate that? | ||
| How long does it take for the dust settles and life normalizes? | ||
| Because if you think about the prohibition in the United States, prohibition of alcohol in the United States propped up the mob. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| It's widely openly discussed. | ||
| The only people that were selling the alcohol were the people that were criminals. | ||
| They made a shitload of money. | ||
| They amassed massive power. | ||
| Because of that. | ||
| And they used it. | ||
| They used it to control cities. | ||
| And until they got infiltrated and the mob got broken up, for a long time, they reaped the rewards of the power that they started to develop during prohibition. | ||
| And that's exactly what you're seeing with the cartels. | ||
| The reason why the cartels have so much power is because there's so much demand for illegal drugs in the United States. | ||
| Trevor Burrus And that's not going away. | ||
| Well, it's not going away. | ||
| People have always wanted to do drugs. | ||
| There's always going to be a certain lost segment of our population that wants to escape reality with some fucking hardcore shit that puts them in a trance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they're finding it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If they want that, it's everywhere. | ||
| What is Hawaii's problems? | ||
| What is, like, on the Big Island, what are their main drug problems? | ||
| I mean, it's been meth for the most part for, like, the last 20 years. | ||
| That's taken a toll. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| Meth has been, like, probably the biggest problem, but now it's turning into fentanyl. | ||
| Now it's turning into fentanyl. | ||
| One of the little girls in my daughter's circle of friends was on Instagram Live. | ||
| This was like two years ago. | ||
| A girl was like 12 years old. | ||
| She was like on Instagram Live. | ||
| No one was home at her house. | ||
| And she went in her mom's medicine cabinet. | ||
| And she found a little baggie of white powder. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And chopped it up in a line on Instagram Live. | ||
| She just had her friends or whatever, like her 10, 15 friends that follow her. | ||
| It's like a little girl. | ||
| And was like, Jeremy? | ||
| And she snorted it. | ||
| It was pure fentanyl. | ||
| And it turns out her mom was selling it. | ||
| That was on the Big Island in my daughter's little circle of friends. | ||
| And she died. | ||
| That's happening everywhere, man. | ||
| That's my little tiny town that I feel is like a little farm town that grows coffee and that's where you surf and hang out. | ||
| It's super mellow, but somehow that's really happening. | ||
| Those drugs have infiltrated every last little Corner of our country. | ||
| It's wild, man. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| And the alternative doesn't seem appealing either. | ||
| The alternative of making heroin and cocaine legal at stores, that scares the shit out of me too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird that it's like... | ||
| It's like regional. | ||
| Like... | ||
| Like, it's really bad in Canada. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| The drug... | ||
| Like, drug epidemic. | ||
| Like, I was in... | ||
| Not Toronto. | ||
| What's the other giant city on the west coast? | ||
| Vancouver? | ||
| Vancouver. | ||
| Holy crap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thousands and thousands and thousands of homeless people. | ||
| Homeless fentanyl zombies all over these big city blocks. | ||
| Thousands of them slumped over. | ||
| Have you seen when they get slumped over? | ||
| That's the tranq. | ||
| That's a tranquilizer thing. | ||
| So they get super high and they're tranquilized, so they basically are like, you know, they don't fall, but they're like swaying. | ||
| But I feel like in Canada, it's huge. | ||
| In the US, it's huge. | ||
| But I was in France and Spain. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| Well, they didn't have the same opioid crisis that we had caused by the Sackler family and what they did with the OxyContin pills, where they just made, you know, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people addicts in this country. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| If not millions. | ||
| I mean, how many millions of lives are ruined? | ||
| Because not just the people, but their families. | ||
| Everything gets devastated. | ||
| Everything gets ruined. | ||
| The most fascinating part, I think, about that series was, I mean, there were so many fascinating things about that series, but there was a window of time where no one knew what it was, what OxyContin was. | ||
| No one knew. | ||
| It just had its name, and it made you feel good, and it took your pain away and took you out of whatever stress you were feeling. | ||
| Now we know about it. | ||
| There's kind of no excuse now for the kids coming up that are educated. | ||
| Like, hey, opioids, they're fucking deadly. | ||
| OxyContin, any of these opioids are highly addictive. | ||
| They're pretty much all going to kill you or lead you down this horrible road to something horrible. | ||
| But there was a window of time where literally no one knew what that stuff was. | ||
| I remember it went through my whole, not my whole, but a group of my friends, all got hooked on that junk like right away when no one knew what OxyContin was. | ||
| Yeah, well, that documentary, that series, the Netflix series, Painkiller, is absolutely terrifying. | ||
| Because it shows you how corrupt the system is and how they were able to prescribe this and make this thing and pass it where it can be prescribed to people. | ||
| When we were kids, when I was a kid, no one did heroin. | ||
| It wasn't like an issue. | ||
| If someone was doing heroin, that guy's off the rails. | ||
| Like, oh, you hear Mike's doing heroin? | ||
| Like, Mike's gone. | ||
| You would think, that guy's gone. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| He's suicidal. | ||
| He's just fucking shooting up. | ||
| Like, I knew a couple comedians that did heroin, and I was like, oh my god. | ||
| And they wind up dying. | ||
| The two that I know that I was pretty aware of, they wind up dying from heroin. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| Heroin was rare. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a big choice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a big choice. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| But now it's just... | ||
| And doctors were prescribing it. | ||
| Thousands and thousands and thousands of doctors were prescribing it. | ||
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| Because it was believed to be not addictive and safe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Where else have we heard that that's safe and effective? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jeez, dude. | ||
| I know we never learn. | ||
| We never learn. | ||
| Well, some people learn. | ||
| But it's so difficult to be completely informed. | ||
| And the problem also is that young people, they make bad decisions. | ||
| They're young. | ||
| They don't have a lot of life experience. | ||
| And they think they're just going to party and other people are partying. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| I'll just have fun. | ||
| Yeah, there's no doubt. | ||
| And I think that OxyContin thing, at least in my lifetime, was the first time I started seeing people start to distrust doctors. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| They were starting to look at doctors, especially after those documentaries came out in those docuseries. | ||
| What was the other one called? | ||
| Dope Sick? | ||
| Because doctors were all of a sudden on board with this whole prescription thing and overprescribing like crazy and buying it hook, line, and sink or whatever those pharma companies were telling them. | ||
| And then with the whole COVID thing, it just accelerated that whole distrust. | ||
| I feel like that's a really sad thing. | ||
| When I was a kid, you just trusted your doctors implicitly. | ||
| I would call my personal doctor and ask them anything and believe anything they said. | ||
| These days, if I have a broken arm, I'm going to go to the doctor. | ||
| If I have something super specific, I'll go to the doctor. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I feel like it's different. | ||
| It's changed now. | ||
| Doctors are captured by a system. | ||
| And doctors, they're essentially rule followers. | ||
| There's a very rigid system. | ||
| The FDA forbade them from prescribing ivermectin during COVID, which is wild. | ||
| Because now it's legal to prescribe. | ||
| Now they allowed it to prescribe. | ||
| I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but there's a lot of randomized controlled trials that show that it's effective. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck is that all about? | ||
| Like, what did they do? | ||
| Well, I'll tell you what they did. | ||
| There was a cheap and effective drug that is generic. | ||
| So they can't make any money off of it. | ||
| And then there's this other thing that they can make billions of dollars off. | ||
| So they pushed that. | ||
| And anyone that supported that cheap and effective drug They were marginalized. | ||
| They were mocked. | ||
| The media was involved in it because of the amount of money that these pharmaceutical drug companies spend on media advertising. | ||
| That's the giant problem. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| There's only two countries in the whole world that allow pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on TV. And that's the United States and New Zealand. | ||
| And New Zealand is much more restrictive than the United States is. | ||
| And the most fucked up thing is not only are they able to advertise in the US, they're able to advertise On our news channels. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're able to prop up our whole media system. | ||
| Yeah, and then the media can't say anything about pharmaceutical drug side effects. | ||
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| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, they're captured. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| But that's also led to their demise. | ||
| Like, they looked at short-term profits over long-term sustainability. | ||
| Because the trust in mainstream media is at an all-time low. | ||
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| COVID ruined their trust. | ||
| CNN recently got the lowest ratings it's had since like 1991. They got 43,000 people watching one of those Anderson Cooper shows. | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Whitney Cummings said that, she goes, if I had 43,000 people that watched my Instagram reel, I'd kill myself. | ||
| That's insane, right? | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| It's crazy that people with large personal platforms are bigger than mainstream media. | ||
| Way bigger. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And amazing. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| I mean, look at Mr. Beast. | ||
| What, does he have like 100 million YouTube subscribers? | ||
| There's not a show on earth that's like that. | ||
| Not a show on earth that's bigger than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I feel like you're right. | ||
| It's definitely never been worse. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| They did it to themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they all did it to themselves. | ||
| I mean, and they do it to themselves constantly. | ||
| They did it to themselves with this Hamas-Israel invasion, with the bombing of the hospital, all that stuff. | ||
| You can see they're elated to tell the news right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They seem like they're so excited that they have something that people are just locked onto. | ||
| They're the only ones who win in these wars, those media companies. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's kind of ironic that that's how literally how they made Trump by constantly reporting on the stupid things that he would say and the ridiculous things that he would say. | ||
| They would think they were getting him. | ||
| But all they were doing was giving him more attention. | ||
| And all they were doing is making him bigger, making his profile bigger. | ||
| And every time they attacked him, he just got bigger. | ||
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| And now that people have a distrust in media, now it works even the opposite way. | ||
| Like, it's even more ridiculous, rather. | ||
| Like, no one trusts them anymore. | ||
| So anytime they say anything, people go, what's really going on? | ||
| This is kind of off topic, but I meant to ask you about this. | ||
| Isn't it funny that you are painted as, like, a right-winger? | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| And I don't think you're a left-winger. | ||
| I don't think you're a right-winger. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| Way more left-wing than I'm right-wing. | ||
| But it's funny that, like, if you asked, like, you know, the whole left basically thinks you're right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, anybody who's, like... | ||
| Kind of semi-progressive or whatever, would think that you are a right-winger, right? | ||
| Because that's how they depict you in the news on the left, right? | ||
| Like CNN and all that stuff, right? | ||
| Well, also I'd look like I would be a right-winger. | ||
| I'm bald, I have muscles and tattoos, I bow hunt, and I do cage-fighting commentary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a lot of reasons why you could label me. | ||
| You fit the stereotype. | ||
| But how many presidential candidates have you had on this show? | ||
| Quite a few. | ||
| Okay, let's name them. | ||
| Bernie Sanders? | ||
| Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Gary Johnson. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Is that everybody? | ||
| Well, RFK, Tulsi, and Bernie, what they have in common... | ||
| Gary Johnson's libertarian. | ||
| They're Democrats. | ||
| They're all Democrats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I just think it's kind of funny that everybody, all these people, think you're a right-winger. | ||
| I haven't had a single Republican candidate for governor, for president, for anything. | ||
| But I've never heard that you're biased from not having Republicans on your show. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| That's kind of weird that they leave that out. | ||
| Well, it's just the mainstream media. | ||
| They don't like other people having influence and they try to attack them. | ||
| And one of the best ways to marginalize someone or use it as a pejorative, call them far right. | ||
| They like to call me far right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the only thing that I'm right-wing about is discipline. | ||
| I believe in the Second Amendment. | ||
| I believe in freedom of speech, which is crazy that that's right-wing now. | ||
| Like, there's so many tenets that used to be of the left that are now attributed to the right, which is crazy. | ||
| Distrust in the government. | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
| All of a sudden, that's... | ||
| It's really changed, right? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Distrust of the government used to be left-wing. | ||
| Promotion of free speech used to be left-wing. | ||
| But when it comes to social safety nets and universal healthcare, basic income, things like that, I'm very left-wing. | ||
| I believe that there's people that are down on their luck and they need to be helped. | ||
| But I also believe in discipline. | ||
| And I also believe that the right to bear arms is probably the only thing that kept us from becoming Australia during the pandemic. | ||
| You see what fucking happened in Australia during the pandemic? | ||
| 100% agree. | ||
| They were just locking people up that were outside that didn't have their mask over their nose. | ||
| I mean, it was bananas. | ||
| They were locking people up for social media posts. | ||
| Did you see what happened in Canada? | ||
| These guys got arrested for a conversation that they were having on a train? | ||
| No, but Australia and Canada turned into full China. | ||
| Yeah, it's full authoritarian. | ||
| I've been going to Australia since I was 16 years old, one of my favorite countries in the world. | ||
| Never in a million... | ||
| And the Australians have this sense of pride and they don't give a fuck. | ||
| They're rugged. | ||
| They're rugged. | ||
| No one can tell them what to do. | ||
| It was crazy to see that during COVID where they basically had to all comply or else and it was real. | ||
| They got in so much trouble if they didn't. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| That was the biggest difference. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| That's really the only difference. | ||
| And I have a couple of Australian friends that said that. | ||
| Like older, really intelligent Australian friends that were like, dude, the most important thing you have in America is the Second Amendment. | ||
| It's the thing that keeps the First Amendment alive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the freedom of speech backed by the Second Amendment. | ||
| And people don't want to believe that. | ||
| And they want to point to school shootings. | ||
| But here's another thing they want to point to when it comes to school shootings. | ||
| What about the instances of psychotropic drugs that are used by people who turn out to be school shooters? | ||
| Is there a correlation? | ||
| Is there a causation? | ||
| Nobody wants to discuss that. | ||
| That's another thing that never gets discussed on mainstream media because of the fact that they're all compromised by the pharmaceutical drug companies. | ||
| There's a huge number of these people that commit these mass atrocities that are on psychiatric drugs. | ||
| Now, is it because they were already sick, already crazy, and that's what caused them to do that? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Is it because A lot of these disassociatives and a lot of these SSRIs and a lot of these different things cause people to think and behave in very bizarre ways. | ||
| There's no doubt. | ||
| It has to. | ||
| There has to be some sort of a connection. | ||
| The fact that it's not being investigated, that it's not being discussed, and if you bring it up, you're a fucking loon, that to me is crazy. | ||
| And that's the weirdest thing that the mainstream media has done. | ||
| To try to control a narrative, specifically to protect their interest, because they are being funded by the pharmaceutical drug companies. | ||
| And it's not for the greater good of anybody, including the people that run the pharmaceutical drug companies. | ||
| Look, there's drugs that they should sell that are great. | ||
| They produce drugs that save people's lives, that help people. | ||
| It's not like demonizing the pharmaceutical drug industry. | ||
| It's not them. | ||
| It's the people that run the companies that are money people. | ||
| The money people just want to make money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had... | ||
| What was the guy's name that litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies for Vioxx? | ||
| Do you remember his name? | ||
| One of the things... | ||
| Vioxx was like an anti-inflammatory. | ||
| Similar to ibuprofen, but caused horrible side effects. | ||
| A friend of mine had a stroke when he was on it, and it killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 to 60,000 Americans. | ||
| And in internal emails, they said it's going to cause all these problems. | ||
| They listed all the medical problems that we're aware of, but we are going to do well with this. | ||
| Yeah, John Abramson. | ||
| So John Abramson just says, Joe Rogan's New Year's Eve tutorial on corporate crime in the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| So this was the drug. | ||
| John Abramson, he's the author of a new book, Sickening, How Big Pharma Broke American Healthcare and How He Can Repair It. | ||
| And he's a lecturer at Harvard Medical School and the author of a 2004 book, Overdosed America, The Broken Promise of American Medicine. | ||
| And the way he described their internal conversations about these drugs is absolutely terrifying. | ||
| Because it's the money people. | ||
| The people that are just looking at their baseline profits, the responsibility they have to their shareholders, and what they need to do to constantly make more money. | ||
| Their job is to always make more money. | ||
| And they're willing to do really awful shit and push things that aren't even effective, don't even work any better than ibuprofen. | ||
| And they're willing to push this stuff on people and tell them, hey, you got arthritis? | ||
| We got a cure. | ||
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| I feel like a lot of times when people have mental health issues and they go and seek help, a lot of times they get put on drugs immediately. | ||
| Nowadays there's a lot of other options. | ||
| There's brain treatment, there's hallucinogenics that they're doing. | ||
| There's a lot of different options now and I feel like the pharmaceutical option should be Maybe the last option in some situations, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, in many, many situations. | ||
| And in some situations, it's a good option. | ||
| And that needs to be addressed, too. | ||
| It's not binary. | ||
| There's some people that I'm friends with that got on antidepressants and it changed their life. | ||
| Got them out of a funk and allowed them to make changes and then slowly weaned on my friend Ari. | ||
| He got on him and then eventually got off of him. | ||
| And he changed his life. | ||
| He got much more successful and happy and then realized like, okay, now I'm happy. | ||
| Now I'm successful. | ||
| I need to get myself off of this stuff and stayed happy and stayed successful. | ||
| It's interesting when you start making different, like when you get your brain pretty good, then you start making different life choices. | ||
| You get healthier all around and maybe successful in your work and you start having like meaningful relationships with people. | ||
| It helps heal your brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It helps heal your perspective as well. | ||
| It can make a significant difference. | ||
| How you view life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's a big one with psychedelics. | ||
| But the problem with psychedelics is they're not profitable. | ||
| And, you know, you go to Peru and fucking take a brew in the jungle that they make out of leaves. | ||
| And it fixes your life. | ||
| Not a lot of money in that, you know? | ||
| And you definitely don't get people addicted to it. | ||
| I think it's starting to emerge, though, in some of these clinics that are like alternative mental health type of places. | ||
| I've been doing... | ||
| I think I talked to you about this in the past, but I've been doing a bit of brain treatment. | ||
| So like years ago when I was surfing a lot of really big waves, I had kind of a cluster of concussions. | ||
| Over like a six-year period, I had five really bad concussions. | ||
| They were all like pretty close to each other and a couple of them were really, really bad. | ||
| Anyway, I started noticing some kind of mental health issues. | ||
| Not super bad and not extreme, but it was starting to creep in like My mood started going downhill. | ||
| I was getting more and more pessimistic. | ||
| I didn't like being around people even more so. | ||
| I'm not the most social person, but I started having anxiety about hanging out with big groups of people. | ||
| Going to public functions and stuff like that would really freak me out. | ||
| Now, I was also getting pretty, like, mentally sloppy. | ||
| Like, a lot of brain fog. | ||
| My mental clarity was getting worse and worse. | ||
| I was being super forgetful. | ||
| Anyway, I met a guy who has, like, a brain treatment center in California. | ||
| So I went and got an EEG, it's called. | ||
| So they measure, like, your brain function, your brain activity. | ||
| And they get, like, all this data about your brain. | ||
| And then I had some brain treatment. | ||
| And then they sent me a... | ||
| I got this at-home... | ||
| machine. | ||
| Basically, I put this thing on my head in the mornings. | ||
| Is it magnetic? | ||
| For 30 minutes. | ||
| Yeah, it has electrical pulses that goes through and into your brain and stimulates brain activity. | ||
| Anyway, I hadn't had my EEG done in a long, long time, and I was just in California, and I was really curious because I can... | ||
| So my machine at home is programmed, its protocol is just for my brain, specifically for my brain based off my EEG. | ||
| And so I wanted to get a new EEG updated so I can update my protocol at home so it works on my brain how it is now instead of how it was two years ago. | ||
| I didn't know if there was a difference or not. | ||
| So I got an EEG the other day, talked to neuroscience for like half an hour on a Zoom call. | ||
| He walked me through my chart for my EEG two years ago, my chart now. | ||
| And he's like, what have you been doing? | ||
| And I'm like, oh, I've had some, you know, I have a machine at home doing my brain treatment, but I'm never home. | ||
| I don't do that much. | ||
| And he was like, is there anything else that could make your brain better? | ||
| Because we're seeing significant improvements in your brain function. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| And I've noticed it. | ||
| I've noticed more mental clarity, better mood. | ||
| And I've done a couple different things. | ||
| I told him about the stem cell treatment, but it was right before that. | ||
| So I don't think that there was a correlation between my current stem cell treatment and this EEG. And he's like, what else have you been doing? | ||
| And I told him, I started TRT just over a year ago. | ||
| And after I started TRT, I felt a significant improvement in my mood and my mental clarity and my energy. | ||
| Well, that is one of the things that happens with concussions, especially multiple concussions, is it damages your endocrine system. | ||
| It damages the pituitary gland, which is apparently very sensitive. | ||
| And my good friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, who's done a lot of work on traumatic brain injuries with veterans and with football players and fighters, they've found that a significant number of them suffer from low testosterone and low hormones because their brain is just not producing them correctly anymore because it's been damaged. | ||
| And by replenishing those with testosterone replacement therapy and hormone replacement therapy, They've alleviated a lot of the problems that people have. | ||
| Suicidal ideation, a lot of significant depression issues that they've been able to mitigate with hormone replacement. | ||
| It's amazing though that that's even an option these days. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Well, we're in the right time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With stem cells, with TRT, with hormone replacement, with the understanding of nutrition and with this brain machine that you're using, these treatments. | ||
| We're in a good time for that. | ||
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| We're very, very fortunate. | ||
| I'm thankful. | ||
| I'm grateful for it all. | ||
| Dude, if we lived in the 50s, we'd be fucked. | ||
| Just think about your knee surgery. | ||
| My good friend Steve Graham, he was on the US ski team in the 1980s, and he's had some fucking, I don't want to butcher this, I think he's had 70 surgeries over his whole life. | ||
| He's had his shoulders replaced, he's got two artificial knees, like everything. | ||
| But his legs, like the size of his legs, are just covered in scars from these old school surgeries. | ||
| Where they would open you up like a fish and take a chunk of your hamstring and fucking drill it in place and it would last for a little while and blow out and you'd have to go in and do it again. | ||
| Modern medicine is insane. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| How precise and it's so predictable that they know it's going to work. | ||
| My surgeon for my knee was like, dude, you're tripping on this for no reason, Shane. | ||
| Don't be a bitch. | ||
| I do this every single day, multiple times a day. | ||
| Your knee is going to be amazing. | ||
| Like 50 years ago, like you said, it would have changed my life. | ||
| I never would have surfed the same ever again. | ||
| I can surf at a really high level still. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| We're very, very, very lucky to be living in the time we're living in. | ||
| Even though there's a lot of problems. | ||
| When I lived in Boston in 19... | ||
| I guess it was 1986? | ||
| I was 19 and I was working at the Boston Athletic Club. | ||
| It was the healthcare club in South Boston. | ||
| And I was a trainer, like, showing people how to use machines and stuff like that, and putting people through workouts. | ||
| And Bobby Orr, the famous hockey player, was there. | ||
| Bobby Orr's knees were so bad, because he had so many surgeries, that he couldn't straighten his legs out. | ||
| His knees were always bent, and he would walk with this kind of, like, robotic shuffle. | ||
| And we used to have to help him get on the VersaClimber machine. | ||
| He literally couldn't get on it by himself. | ||
| I mean, this is, like, one of the greatest hockey players of all time. | ||
| And his knees were so destroyed. | ||
| And he had these knee braces he would wear, but he would play racquetball, and he would go for a ball and just fall down. | ||
| He just couldn't stand up. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Imagine that guy had stem cells. | ||
| Yeah, or like modern surgery. | ||
| Yeah, modern surgery. | ||
| If they had modern knee reconstruction like they have today. | ||
| Where, you know, they put a cadaver graft in there, they fix it. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| They're even able to do cadaver meniscus now, which is crazy. | ||
| Like, I'm missing meniscus on my left knee. | ||
| I had a pretty significant tear of my left meniscus. | ||
| So they took a, it was like called a bucket handle tear, where I had the ACL reconstructed in 94, I think. | ||
| and then in 2003, I believe, they scooped out the meniscus because they tried to sew it back together, but it kept tearing and then it would lock up. | ||
| A bucket handle tear is this weird, you know what it is? | ||
| Yeah, I heard you talking about this. | ||
| It locks in place and my knee would lock and it's agonizing. | ||
| So the only way that they fixed that is they would just cut out the meniscus. | ||
| So now I'm missing a chunk of meniscus, so the knee is kind of compromised. | ||
| It's like a little wobbly and every now and then it swells, but at least it's functional. | ||
| I can deal with a little discomfort if my knee is functional. | ||
| So the knee, the structure of the knee is very solid. | ||
| It's very strong. | ||
| I can do all kinds of things. | ||
| I hike through the mountains. | ||
| I can kick the bag. | ||
| But I have to deal with like a little bit of pain and discomfort. | ||
| But now they're able to, they can do grafts where they'll take meniscus. | ||
| But it's generally only effective for people that are like 40 and under. | ||
| I think that's the age. | ||
| I think as you get older, it becomes more and more of a problem with blood flow. | ||
| I don't know if that's the same with everyone. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if that's the same with me as a person, someone who's sedentary. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't understand why I would have less blood flow as much as I exercise in comparison to a person who's like 20 years old and sedentary. | ||
| With hormone replacement, with all the other things that I do, supplements, all the different things that I do, peptides, the way I live. | ||
| Yeah, the diet, regular sauna use, cold punches, so many things that I do that keep my body healthy. | ||
| Your health picture probably looks pretty similar to somebody like in their 30s or something, if you look at your overall health. | ||
| Well, I know for a fact the way my body functions, it's very similar. | ||
| Because like the other day, I did eight rounds on the bag, and I was thinking, like I don't even think of the fact that I'm 56. I just think of techniques. | ||
| I'm not thinking of like, oh my god, I'm 56, be careful. | ||
| All I'm thinking of is just fucking, you know, 30 seconds left, push. | ||
| I'm not thinking about it. | ||
| It's like amazing to not have to worry about your body. | ||
| To be careful, be smart, train hard, Exercise hard, recover hard, nutrition, supplements, all that jazz. | ||
| But at the end of the day, I have a very functional body at 56. When I was a kid, I thought you were dead when you were 56. I didn't think you could be jacked and strong and healthy and have all this energy and Do two shows a night at the comedy club and do five podcasts a week and do all the other shit that I do in life and feel great. | ||
| I feel fucking great. | ||
| Guys in their 50s are functioning at a super high level now, which is awesome. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| And the coolest thing about it is, like, if you talk to, like, Andrew Huberman, the stuff that he talks about, it's not a rich guy thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's really not. | ||
| Like, a lot of people assume it is, but, like... | ||
| Waking up in the morning and getting sunlight right away. | ||
| Training, food, running a little bit, sleeping good. | ||
| That's all stuff that you can do, even if you don't have to be super wealthy. | ||
| Even the hormone replacement thing, if you're 50 years old or older or whatever, even that is super inexpensive, relatively speaking. | ||
| Testosterone is super inexpensive. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| When I was younger, I had no idea. | ||
| Especially when you consider how much money people spend on booze. | ||
| If you go to a bar and you drink for a night, you're fucking spending hundreds of dollars on drinks. | ||
| That's months of hormone replacement. | ||
| One night at the bar. | ||
| And my testosterone is interesting because I wasn't really low. | ||
| Denise is my doctor. | ||
| And I did my blood work and we looked at everything. | ||
| And mine wasn't really low for my age. | ||
| I didn't really look into it until I was right before 50 years old, for those listening. | ||
| And I don't really think you should until you get a lot older. | ||
| But I was at a pretty good level, but I wasn't at an optimal level. | ||
| And she's like, you should probably... | ||
| Just try it to see how you feel. | ||
| See how you feel. | ||
| There's no downside to trying it. | ||
| So it's like I do a cream. | ||
| Cream on the nuts before I go to sleep. | ||
| Super simple. | ||
| It's like a little clicker. | ||
| Click, click, click. | ||
| And then I also supplement vitamin D, which is a hormone. | ||
| And I supplement DHEA, which is a hormone. | ||
| DHEA, I believe it's from the... | ||
| Thyroid. | ||
| Is it thyroid? | ||
| No, not thyroid. | ||
| Thyroid. | ||
| Can you look it up, Jamie? | ||
| DHEA. Which gland, Jamie? | ||
| Adrenal gland. | ||
| Adrenal gland. | ||
| And I think that's where, like, your testosterone and estrogen are created. | ||
| And, yeah, so I take those three. | ||
| DHEA, testosterone. | ||
| I take those as well, as well as peptides. | ||
| I take peptides that stimulate your body's production of human growth hormone, IGF. And then BPC-157 which is really good for recovering from soft tissue injuries and that stuff is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, I did that with my knee for six months. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| There's so many different things that they know now that work. | ||
| And like I said, we're super, super fortunate to be at this time. | ||
| I've had doctors tell me that the BPC-157, that there's no scientific data to back it up and that it's hocus-pocus. | ||
| And every single high-level athlete that I know, when they get injured, they get on BPC-157. | ||
| Yeah, those doctors are crack. | ||
| They're cracked because it's not true. | ||
| There's plenty of studies. | ||
| I've had conversations with doctors like, oh, well, saline works just as effectively. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| You're not an athlete. | ||
| Look at you, you fat fuck. | ||
| Well, there's a reason when someone in the NBA or in the UFC, they get injured and... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a way to help you recover. | ||
| Well, that was one of the issues with the UFC and USADA. I talked to Jeff Nowitzki about this, who was the head of the UFC's anti-drug program. | ||
| And what he was saying is, like, USADA won't allow these athletes to take PPC-157. | ||
| He thinks that's wrong. | ||
| You've got to give them the opportunity to recover from injuries. | ||
| And it's not a drug. | ||
| It's an amino acid stack, right? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's a peptide. | ||
| And it helps your body heal. | ||
| And it really works. | ||
| And there are studies. | ||
| I mean, when you talk to someone like Andrew Huberman, he's very high on that stuff. | ||
| And he's about as legit as you can get. | ||
| Yeah, and he cites only data, current data. | ||
| He's up on the latest. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Thank God there's people like him out there. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Amazing that we have that as a resource for free on YouTube. | ||
| Jack scientist. | ||
| That's what you want. | ||
| Look at that dude. | ||
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He looks like he should be fighting in the UFC. And he's not selling anything. | |
| He's just like a freaking neuroscientist, scientist, health scientist. | ||
| And he's just strictly going on data. | ||
| It's not his feelings. | ||
| He's very careful about not being associated with anything in terms of what can compromise his integrity. | ||
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Good on him. | |
| Yeah, good on him. | ||
| It's so important to have people like him out there. | ||
| Peter Attia is amazing as well. | ||
| Yeah, he's a good friend of mine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love his stuff. | ||
| He's a bow hunter as well. | ||
| Is he really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's so cool. | ||
| Oh, he loves it. | ||
| Yeah, he just got back from Colorado. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah, I've hunted with him before. | ||
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Very cool. | |
| I hunted with him in Utah. | ||
| We went access deer hunting out here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He's an awesome guy. | ||
| Do you have high cholesterol because of your diet at all? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like quote-unquote high cholesterol from what people think is high cholesterol? | ||
| No. | ||
| In fact, I got my cholesterol tested at one point in time. | ||
| The doctor thought that I was on anti-cholesterol or low cholesterol medication. | ||
| That's surprising. | ||
| Dietary cholesterol is not really what the issue is. | ||
| I mean, I'm the wrong person to talk about this. | ||
| But, you know, obviously there's people that are, they have genetic issues. | ||
| There's different body types, there's different predispositions to high cholesterol and coronary artery disease and a lot of different things. | ||
| It really, I think it depends entirely on the individual, but I do not think that the food that's eaten by 95% of the people in the world is the problem, which is meat. | ||
| The most nutrient-dense food in the world. | ||
| Well, the processed food is the problem. | ||
| Processed food. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Processed food, overabundance of calorie-rich, simple carbohydrates that people consume on a regular basis, fructose corn syrup, all that shit. | ||
| All that shit is terrible for you. | ||
| And, you know, that's the problem with these epidemiology studies is that when they ask a person, like, how many days a week do you eat meat? | ||
| And you say, well, look, if you show the people that are eating meat five days a week, there's higher instances of cancer. | ||
| Yeah, but let's break down what else they do. | ||
| How many of those people are drinking every night? | ||
| How many of those people are smoking cigarettes? | ||
| How many of those people are eating high processed food with that meat? | ||
| What's the form that meat comes in? | ||
| Does it come in a Burger King Whopper or is it from grass-fed steak and broccoli? | ||
| Big difference. | ||
| Yeah, big fucking difference. | ||
| Huge difference. | ||
| Big fucking difference. | ||
| There's just so many factors. | ||
| And all I know, I'm not telling you how to live, I'm not telling anybody else. | ||
| All I know is how I live is the best way for me. | ||
| I have never had better results than the way I eat. | ||
| And I'm not the only one. | ||
| There's a lot of people that eat the way I eat now. | ||
| And it seems counterintuitive based on conventional medical advice, but... | ||
| I'm all in. | ||
| And I feel fucking great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you look great and you live great. | ||
| I have more energy than anyone I know. | ||
| You're so damn busy. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| You do so much, dude. | ||
| You're like the busiest guy ever. | ||
| I'm busy, but I'm happy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all good things. | ||
| It's all good things. | ||
| It's all things I enjoy. | ||
| And it's things you're choosing to do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And they keep you young. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| Well, they keep you engaged. | ||
| But you've got to be careful. | ||
| You've got to be very smart in taking care of your meat vehicle. | ||
| This is the thing that you use to travel through this life. | ||
| We've only got one of them. | ||
| Yeah, allegedly. | ||
| You don't get a redo as far as I know. | ||
| No. | ||
| You might. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who knows what happens when you die? | ||
| It's all just guesswork. | ||
| But right now, you know you're alive. | ||
| Take care of yourself. | ||
| You can. | ||
| It's possible to do. | ||
| You just have to be dedicated to it. | ||
| And it has to be a thing that is just a normal part of your life, like brushing your teeth, taking a shower, normal stuff. | ||
| It's got to be a part of your life. | ||
| Well, and we have guys like that guy, Mark Sisson. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| He's in his 60s, right? | ||
| He's in his 70s. | ||
| 70s. | ||
| He looks fucking great. | ||
| He is fit, dude. | ||
| He's setting the bar high. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really high. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Full of energy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very healthy. | ||
| Vibrant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Super sharp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And again, that company, that Primal Kitchen, it's a fucking great company for healthy choices. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Again, we're very fortunate that there's enough alternative sources of information where people do have the data and they do understand. | ||
| There's so many people that are still poisoned by the studies that the sugar industry funded in whatever it was, the 1950s or the 1960s, where they bribed scientists to say that coronary artery disease is caused by saturated fat, which is just not true. | ||
| What it was was sugar. | ||
| And they knew that these people were over-consuming processed foods and sugar, and that was leading to the decay in their health. | ||
| And they pass the buck on desaturated fat. | ||
| And they got people eating that fucking margarine bullshit. | ||
| And I can't believe it's not butter and all that crap. | ||
| Thinking that they were doing better, that they were being healthier than actual butter, which is actually good for you. | ||
| You remember when we were kids, we were told butter and eggs were bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember the food pyramid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The bottom of it was all bread. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I watched a snippet of a TED talk recently, and it was like a longevity expert, and he was talking about health and longevity, and he said, if someone told me that they wanted to get diabetes as fast as possible, I would tell them to eat the food pyramid. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| We just think about how many kids grew up with sugary cereals. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| You're getting kids addicted at an early age to sugar. | ||
| It's changing their gut biome. | ||
| It's getting them craving this bullshit that's not even food. | ||
| Sugar is powerful, man. | ||
| It's so powerful. | ||
| That's my biggest weakness. | ||
| I'll eat a small little breakfast, super healthy. | ||
| I'll wait until 1 o'clock. | ||
| I'll train, I'll go surf, do all this healthy shit, and I'll wait until 1 o'clock and I'll make myself four eggs, a big venison burger, and avocado. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And I'll mack that whole thing. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Plenty of food, right? | ||
| Probably, I don't know, a thousand calories or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The second I'm done, I get like a little bit of sugar cravings and I'll be like walking by my freezer and I'll be like, I'll make a little acai bowl, a little sweet treat. | ||
| I'll make an acai bowl that's like a, I'll put like whey protein in the acai and I'll blend that up and I'll put it in a bowl with granola, berries, bananas, honey, and peanut butter on top. | ||
| Sounds really good, but it's like pure sugar and it's huge! | ||
| And it's just like a sugar, I'm not hungry at all, it's just a sugar craving, but it's powerful. | ||
| Yeah, you can overconsume because of sugar. | ||
| So easily. | ||
| Very easily. | ||
| So easily. | ||
| Yeah, that's my biggest vice. | ||
| You have no vices? | ||
| What are your vices? | ||
| Cigars? | ||
| Food. | ||
| No cigars, I guess, is a vice. | ||
| But food. | ||
| Food. | ||
| Yeah, my biggest... | ||
| Not right now. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I just cut it off. | ||
| But if I let myself go, it's pasta. | ||
| It's lasagna. | ||
| Linguini. | ||
| The Italian vibes. | ||
| Yeah, the Italian vibes. | ||
| I'll go hard. | ||
| But then there's also the difference between the pasta that we get over here and the pasta in Europe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, when they use that heirloom wheat, they use ancient grains. | ||
| It's like they're not fucked with the way that we fuck with them over here where they increase the yield per acre. | ||
| So they change what the grains are and more complex glutens. | ||
| It's harder for your body to process. | ||
| It creates more inflammation. | ||
| And it's covered in glyphosate? | ||
| Oh yeah, that's another big one. | ||
| That's another big one that no one wants to investigate. | ||
| That scares the shit out of people. | ||
| And there's so many apologists that are tied to the fucking pesticide industry and the herbicide industry. | ||
| It's so scary. | ||
| So many people that want to downplay the fact that- That's pretty heavy. | ||
| They did a study recently and they found that 90-something percent of people have glyphosate in their blood. | ||
| I think about that all the time. | ||
| It has such such gnarly health health like negative health impact. | ||
| I mean it's crazy. | ||
| I was before I came here I was watching YouTube I got down a rabbit hole and it was it was like a little thing it was like a like a documentary about there's this massive upswing in the amount of people in their 20s and 30s that are taking Viagra. | ||
| So men in their 20s are taking Viagra. | ||
| Super, super common. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they're saying it's because their testosterone has dropped so much that it's really difficult for them to perform sexually. | ||
| Well, there's also microplastics. | ||
| Microplastics, which is... | ||
| Glyphosate and microplastics are some of the biggest things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of things that are disrupting our endocrine system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I talk about it all the time, but there's a doctor, Dr. Shanna Swan, who wrote this book called Countdown. | ||
| And she makes this connection between the introduction of petrochemical products and people using them like microwaving with plastic and plastic bottles and all these different things that leach plastic and chemicals into your – and the direct decrease of male testosterone, the shrinking of human beings' taints when they're babies, which is a direct indicator of whether someone's a male or a female. | ||
| In males, in mammals, the taint is 50 to 100% larger than females, but they're shrinking. | ||
| And then also miscarriages in women. | ||
| There's a much higher instance of miscarriages and infertility. | ||
| And she thinks a lot of it is directly attributable to these plastics and these phthalates, these different chemicals that get into the bloodstream. | ||
| All of our food comes in plastic. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking awful for us. | ||
| What a weird world we live in. | ||
| Billions and billions of people, we have to feed all of them, so we use monocrop agriculture, so we've ruined the topsoil, so we're using industrial fertilizers and all that stuff pours off with rainfall and gets into the rivers and And there's so few farmers that have decided that people like White Oaks Pastures, like Will Harris, a guy I've had on this podcast. | ||
| I've talked about this too many times, but I'll say it one more time. | ||
| There's a video that shows the difference between his farm and the neighboring farm. | ||
| His farm is an industrialized farm, or the farm next to him, rather, is an industrialized farm. | ||
| And his farm is a regenerative farm. | ||
| And it shows when rainfall hits and the water rushes through the topsoil and his neighbor's farm, it's polluting the river, like very clearly, a line of, a very clear line of property between his farm and the neighboring farm. | ||
| And what it's doing to the environment. | ||
| Just polluting rivers with pesticides, herbicides, industrial fertilizer, all that runoff. | ||
| And it just gets right into the rivers. | ||
| Killing fish and... | ||
| Has an impact over the last couple decades of us consuming it all? | ||
| This is the river that runs near his property. | ||
| So this is his neighbor's property and look at his property. | ||
| Look at the difference. | ||
| It's fucking bonkers, man. | ||
| When you see the clear difference between the two places, I mean it's a direct line. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That stuff has an impact, man. | ||
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| It really does. | ||
| Well, and I don't know what the fuck we can do to mitigate it at this point. | ||
| You can eat all elk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All elk. | ||
| But not everybody can. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like, and I've heard that argument before, like, yeah, you're out there hunting for your food, but everybody can't hunt for their food. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you can't ask everybody to. | ||
| But as an individual, you can make healthier choices. | ||
| And healthier choices is buying food from regenerative farms. | ||
| There's plenty of them in Texas. | ||
| There's plenty of them that exist. | ||
| There's polyphase farms. | ||
| There's white oaks pastures they deliver to you. | ||
| There's plenty of like... | ||
| Regenerative agriculture. | ||
| There's a company that I work with, Carnivore Snacks. | ||
| It's like my favorite. | ||
| If I need to run out the door and I'm looking for something healthy that I have to eat, like in my car, they have these carnivore snacks. | ||
| It's sliced ribeye. | ||
| It's just ribeye with salt. | ||
| And it's almost like a meat pastry. | ||
| It's not like jerky. | ||
| It's so delicious. | ||
| And it's got fat on it. | ||
| I bring them to the UFC. Like when I'm at the UFC and I have to sit there for six hours, that's what I eat. | ||
| I eat those. | ||
| And it's from a regenerative farm. | ||
| Like you can find healthy choices. | ||
| Maybe those healthy choices aren't available to eight billion people. | ||
| Yes, that's true. | ||
| But you as an individual can choose to use those healthy choices in your life. | ||
| And if you can't afford them... | ||
| This is your health. | ||
| Do the best that you can to make sure that you get the healthiest food in your body. | ||
| Do the best. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| And it's never been easier to find them either. | ||
| It's so much more widely available than it was even just a few years ago. | ||
| People are so much more conscious of it now. | ||
| You know, when we grew up, people used to really believe that, oh, just eat a balanced diet. | ||
| You don't need to do anything. | ||
| What is a balanced diet? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| I'm talking about the food pyramid. | ||
| Do you get blood work done? | ||
| Do you know how your body's functioning? | ||
| Do you know how it's optimized? | ||
| Getting your blood work done is super important, way more so than I would have thought 10 years ago. | ||
| No, I think so too. | ||
| My wife kept telling me, you gotta get your blood work done, you gotta get blood work done. | ||
| All the stuff you're eating, everything, how you're living, you wanna see that picture. | ||
| I would have never thought I was deficient in a bunch of stuff. | ||
| Crazy vitamin D. Yeah. | ||
| That's a weird one. | ||
| I would have never imagined that a surfer is deficient in vitamin D. Yeah. | ||
| I feel great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's good, dude. | ||
| You look great. | ||
| I'm really interested to hear your results from this insane stem cell regiment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll keep you posted. | ||
| I've been doing it. | ||
| I don't do the selfie video thing pretty much ever on my social media stuff. | ||
| It's just super cringy and something I don't feel comfortable with, but I've been doing it lately. | ||
| So I've been trying to share my experience and kind of just tell my story about what I'm doing, where I'm going, how I'm feeling, and sharing my protocol. | ||
| Just because I have a lot of personal friends around my age that are pretty beat up, and some of them are considering surgery, and everybody's got aches and pains and injuries. | ||
| I'm trying to share it for them. | ||
| And then I just had an incredible amount of feedback from people who want to know more. | ||
| I feel like from all the stuff that I'm doing and learning, I can help maybe demystify the stem cell thing. | ||
| It seems pretty misunderstood. | ||
| So I don't know everything there is to know about stem cells. | ||
| I'm not pretending that I do. | ||
| But what I'm finding out I'm trying to share with people so I'll try and keep you posted. | ||
| That's awesome dude. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| And I really want to hear like what it does for your back because the disc thing is very interesting because I do know that there have been some examples of people that have had these injections and that have increased their disc space where the discs have actually grown. | ||
| So people that are suffering from regenerative disc disease and we're told that they might need fusions or they might need an artificial disc, they've managed to stop that. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I have a friend named Mike Escamilla. | ||
| He's kind of like me, but in the BMX category. | ||
| So he was like an X Games athlete, like a BMX guy. | ||
| Super high-level athlete, energetic, really fit, beautiful young family, kids. | ||
| And his back got worse and worse to where he could barely get out of bed, couldn't work, couldn't live his normal life. | ||
| I got so bad to where he was like really, really depressed. | ||
| And he went, that's part of the reason I got stem cells recently, but he went to the same place, CPI, the place I went to in Mexico and got the stem cell injections in his back. | ||
| And 10 months later, full life changer, full on. | ||
| He's like thriving. | ||
| He's living virtually pain free. | ||
| Like I talked to him on the phone like four weeks ago because I wanted to kind of see what the process was like. | ||
| And he's like, I'm not joking, dude. | ||
| You're going to trip out on your back. | ||
| My back was not nearly as bad as his was. | ||
| But yeah, he was like, it changed my whole life. | ||
| How often can you do it? | ||
| Did you ask them like how many times you can go back? | ||
| I don't think there's really a limit. | ||
| I don't think you can do it really consistently, but I know people who go there for the IVs all the time. | ||
| They go once a month for stem cell IVs. | ||
| And then the fighters, all the UFC guys, there was a couple different fighters there when I was there. | ||
| And they go after every fight. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Makes sense. | ||
| I mean, you have to be proactive about recovery when you're dealing with a fucking sport like that. | ||
| And, you know, it's just such a shame that you have to go to another country to get that done. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The cool thing is they have a cartilage-specific stem cell now. | ||
| I was going to tell you that about your meniscus because my understanding is your meniscus is a lot of cartilage, right? | ||
| But they have a cartilage-specific stem cell now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| And there was... | ||
| I forget the name of it. | ||
| It starts with an M. But a bunch of people when I was there were getting the cartilage stem cell based on their MRIs. | ||
| So if they had cartilage issues and their doctor felt like they did, they would give you the option of adding cartilage stem cells to your injections. | ||
| So that's something to think about. | ||
| Well, keep me posted. | ||
| I will. | ||
| Let me know. | ||
| I've got a bunch of back issues. | ||
| I've been able to mitigate them. | ||
| They don't bother me nearly as much as they did when I was younger. | ||
| I'm very proactive about strengthening my back. | ||
| I do this whole core series where I strengthen all the muscles in my back and my neck. | ||
| I use the iron neck. | ||
| Around the sides too? | ||
| Yeah, everything. | ||
| I do everything. | ||
| The core stuff helps a lot. | ||
| It helps a lot. | ||
| Just to keep that whole area stable and strong and reinforce it. | ||
| Anyway, brother, good to see you. | ||
| This was fun, man. | ||
| Always fun. | ||
| Always good to see you. | ||
| Keep me posted. | ||
| I'm really excited to hear that. | ||
| I might have to travel down there myself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thanks. |
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