Reggie Watts and Joe Rogan explore ketamine’s dissociative benefits—Watts claims 200mg lozenges let him converse normally while high, while Rogan warns of K-holes—linking it to trauma therapy like MDMA for PTSD. Watts’ autobiography Great Falls, Montana reveals his biracial upbringing and pandemic-era writing process, emphasizing personal voice over narrators. They critique capitalism’s conflict roots but clash on solutions, then pivot to futuristic EVs like the McMurtry Spearling’s 999hp vacuum car and retrofitted classics. UFO theories surface with Watts’ Montana sightings, Rogan debunks moon conspiracies via Apollo seismic data. Both battle food addiction—Watts on keto, Rogan via app-free phones—before Watts praises Rogan’s comedy club’s art-focused design over profit, underscoring how intentional spaces can shape creativity and healing. [Automatically generated summary]
I drink the whole one, but I'm going to try a half this time just to see.
You know what's weird?
I have friends that are like, they will not, they're just like, I don't know what it is.
Well, they can't take it because, well, some people do get nauseous on it, but I've never had that experience.
It's really weird.
All throughout my life, I've taken all kinds of things that people are like, oh, I throw up, or like Robitussin or something, like drinking a whole thing of Robitussin.
I throw up, I'm like, I don't know why, but I just don't have that reaction.
It's an interesting one, especially, you know, feel free, you've got kava and kratom, which does that, like, here's a mellowing anti-anxiety vibe, and then here's, like, a euphoric energy thing in the center of it.
And so it gives you that, like, that's why people feel so groovy on it, because it's got those two.
However, I do understand if people get sick on it.
Like, they, I think some people just, it's too much for their brain, or they just need to do, like, a third of a bottle or something.
I use it at night because, especially if I have a social engagement, if I have a lot of people to deal with, I take one of those, I'm just like, oh really?
I think it has something to do with the, I think like certain things remove the editing aspect and you're just more fluid.
Like I remember a friend of mine, she had like this, I don't know if you know people like this, but they, they analyze everything that they're thinking.
I don't know if you know people like this, but they analyze everything that they're thinking.
Like it's like a compulsion.
So like my friend, she's an amazing musician.
But every time she would speak, she'd be like, well, I'd like to.
I'm not sure if I should.
But, you know, I would like to.
But a lot of this like looped kind of thing and self-annual.
But like the analysis loop is so small that I'm like, you know, I wish I could help.
But then one night she was nervous about taking ketamine.
And I gave her just a little bit of ketamine.
And finally she's like, okay, I'll try it, I'll try it.
And she's like, I don't know, maybe is it too much?
And I was like, trust me, just do this amount, I'm really good at dosing.
And she took it, and I progressively saw her go from, I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, and you know, I was just kind of wondering, my career is interesting, but I have a lot of fear based around it.
She was just calm, relaxed, and completely fluid.
And I let her go for a while, and then I said, did you notice that you haven't stopped yourself once, like in the last two minutes?
She was like, oh my god, you're right.
And I was like, yeah.
Like, if you notice that when you're on it, it's possible you can carry that over into your functioning everyday life.
But the ketamine just puts you immediately in a spot where you're no longer emotionally connected to your observational self.
You're just in an observational state.
For me, I notice that I'm very clear.
Even though I think of myself as a pretty good communicator, sometimes when I'm on ketamine, the thoughts are just flowing in a way that I'm actually watching them.
It's the same feeling when I'm improvising and it's going really well, like I'm with a bunch of cats and we're jamming or whatever.
There'll be this weird thing where I'm suddenly, I'm like, I'm just, it's almost like I'm standing next to myself going like, hey, that's pretty good.
Oh, wait!
And then I'm playing again.
And it kind of puts me in that kind of a state.
And I don't know, there's something about it.
I'm really interested in ketamine, like doing more research with it too, like fMRIs, like, you know, real-time fMRI and mapping regions of the brain when you're improvising and things like that.
There's been a little bit of that, but I want to do it myself just to see.
I think it was used for them to just come as an anti-anxiety.
And then it's an anesthetic.
So I know a friend of mine, he was, or a friend of a friend, he was skateboarding, shoulder went out of place, went to a hospital, just shot him with ketamine, and then put his shoulder back in.
Now, I remember being in a convertible in the 80s and a friend of mine sitting on the deck where the top is down or whatever, he's sitting on the deck and he just had a bottle of codeine.
It was just like take sips of it and I was like I wanted to try it but I was like I don't know I just didn't but it was funny.
I remember in the 80s being in a scout like going all taking all the back roads from Great Falls to Lake Five in Glacier Park on the way there with like a half rack of beer And just like, you know, drinking beers and cruising down the road and with like three friends and a bunch of bikes in the back.
I mean, I don't know, the shit that we did back then was, you just can't do it anymore.
It's just like, you know, I mean, it's like, I mean, on one hand, it's like the barbarism is a good thing to see where you're like, that I never want to put myself in this situation or I want to do everything I can to try to make our society not do that kind of shit.
But at the same time, it can desensitize and some people can kind of fetishize on it as well.
And it's a gross generalization, but I think pretty much every conflict is a result of capitalism.
In the sense that raw capitalism, in its nascent form, is just a system of trade and so forth.
But the way it's been wired, because it doesn't have human well-being involved in the equation, it's just about...
Can we make this graph go up like we need more of these numbers?
And it's just chasing infinite wealth, right?
It's like wealth amassing.
So it has a value system, but human well-being is not in it.
So eventually over time, it's like, of course people are going to game it.
And very few people are going to game it.
And they're going to acquire all this stuff.
And they're just going to be like desensitized to the rest of the inequities and so forth.
And then you're going to cause all this animosity.
And then there's going to be a lot of people going like, well, I need to get my stuff back.
And then you get all these opportunists that are using the disgruntilism and like using that to arm.
It's like, that's my over gross oversimplification.
I'm sure I'll be corrected millions of times over.
But whenever I see any of these conflicts or even a conflict in my own neighborhood or my neighbors arguing over, it's about a property line or it's about you didn't do this or you didn't do that.
It's this weird thought process that goes into I don't have enough or I have all the stuff and I want to keep the stuff or I want more stuff.
And then someone else kind of responding to that in some way.
I'm not phrasing it as eloquently as I usually do on ketamine.
But that's kind of my, whenever I see all of these things I'm just like I have a feeling that it's probably maybe that I don't know the problem is the alternative is even more horrific and What's the alternative?
Because the only way that's enforced is by dictators and then the dictators wind up doing what every human being in power does, which is control all the resources, control all the wealth, live in extravagant houses while everybody starves.
Every single communist dictatorship is all run the same way.
It's the only way to run them because the only way to enforce socialism is through violence.
The only way to take people's resources and evenly distribute it, you have to go in with guns.
He has a thing called The Memo that comes out, I think like every two weeks, something like that.
but it gives you this really holistic state of the union of AI and he's hyper optimistic and calls it human evolution, which I believe in that as well.
If it's used well, you get rid of the emotional factor and you just have something that's looking to solve problems.
And so I think it can at least give you five solutions that are not emotionally based, that are just addressed, that are supposed to kind of maximize the positive probable outcome.
And I think we may see a human AI synergistic, at least low-level government implementation.
Probably some country that can do that and not feel like they're batting the farm on it.
That you need a president that is immune to bias, corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines, right?
Like, how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment, economics, Social justice, infrastructure, immigration.
It's not possible.
How could one person really know the correct solutions to all those issues, even if you're briefed?
Look, I can't imagine.
All I do is run a podcast.
And do comedy.
And occasionally commentate on fights.
And all those three things take up so much of my fucking time.
My whole day today has been having conversations with people about replacement opponents because there's a UFC coming out in two weeks.
So I've been having all these conversations with experts and people that I know and commentators of who can fit this spot and who's ready and who's in shape and who's turned the fight down and How could anybody?
That's so minor.
My role is so small.
I have so little to do, and yet it takes up so much of my time.
How could anyone Manage all of those things.
They can't.
But AI could.
And AI doesn't have a son that gets money from Burisma.
Well, it's like, I mean, if you look at, like, it's really hard.
I had a term, I don't know if it exists, but I call it corporatrats.
And most people in government essentially are corporatrats in the sense that the things that when I see people like vetoing things or not getting on board with certain things, and you're like, well, that seems like that would be helpful, but you're choosing not to do that.
It's like the influence of corporations on even well-intentioned, you know, people that go into government, they're like, I want to make a difference.
It just gets in there.
It's so baked.
It's baked in there.
It's baked in there.
I don't know how you're going to overcome that.
The only thing I can think of, because my thing is, I'm not really political in the sense that I don't have a party.
I'm pretty independent.
I'm just like, I want to choose people that are humble enough, that have enough humility to work with anybody that wants to solve a problem that they're wanting to solve.
And to create solutions for the most amount of people possible.
That's kind of that's all I'm looking for, because there is no excuse for any of us being all the inequity we see in all of the stuff is totally solvable.
If we were much more efficient with how how well how resources are utilized, how they're distributed and so forth.
And what I mean by that is, like, some of my friends are like, well, if you do, like, universal basic income, which I think is something I'm kind of interested in, I think that that is interesting, if you can account for where that comes from in a way that doesn't upset people, they have a lot of power and a lot of money, feel like that's threatening my whatever it is.
His idea that I thought was really fascinating when I talked to him, he said he's going to take a small fraction, less than one cent, for every speculation buy on the stock market.
And that would account for an insane amount of money.
And you could essentially, through that money, just through that money, provide free healthcare, free education, just through that.
There's two things that we could do that could stop people From living a shit life.
One of them is keep them from being saddled down by student debt.
Student debt, student loan debt, is fucking insane.
Because you're taking these vulnerable young people, 17 years old, right out of high school, about to go to college, and they sign on for these fucking deals where they're gonna owe an insane amount of money over the next five, six years, and they can never get out of that debt.
That is crazy.
It's crazy what we do to people.
So then you force them into jobs that perhaps they don't want to do.
And maybe there's things that they would have thought of pursuing that they can't pursue because they have a nut that they have to pay every month because they have student loan debts.
It's so insane because the way I look at it is like anytime someone's in survival mode, they're in a crisis state.
They're less likely to be in a solution-based mind state.
They're generally in a crisis state.
So if you're in survival mode, you're spending all of this brain trust energy that could be contributing to amazing solutions for all kinds of things.
And you're just wasting it.
And that's why when I drive through LA and I see how many people are on the street, I'm like, there's probably a genius in there.
There's probably someone who could invent a new water filtration system.
whatever it is, it's a waste of human potential.
And I'm like, if you don't invest in your population, if you don't believe in your population and you don't invest in them, and I just like, some of the arguments are like, well, you know, you're just giving away stuff and people are just gonna freeload.
There might be some of that, but most of the time people want to get involved in something and they want to make the people at least close around them, they want to make their lives a little bit better.
So much potential we're missing out because people who might have brilliant minds, might be incredibly creative, but they're born in horrible, hostile environments and they get caught up in it.
And it could happen to you, it could happen to me, it could happen to anybody.
Anybody who's listening to this that hasn't committed murder or robbed people, a lot of it is luck.
It's your decisions for sure.
It's how you're raised.
But you don't get to choose that either.
You don't get to choose who your family is.
You don't get to choose your neighborhood.
You don't get to choose what trauma they faced in their life.
You don't get to choose what happened to your mother while you were in her womb that contributes to the way you think and behave.
Because when a woman is involved in heavy violence and trauma and when they're around that all the time and the baby's in the womb, that baby comes out triggered.
So if we could do, I've said this many times, but I'll say it again.
Think about these no-bid contracts they gave Halliburton to go in and fix a rock after we blew the shit out of it.
Why can't they give no-bid contracts to these motherfuckers to go fix up cities?
Why isn't it profitable?
Imagine if it was profitable to do that.
If we can spend a hundred fucking billion dollars in Ukraine, whether you agree with that or not, we had that money somehow or another.
We were able to do that.
We have a crisis in America.
Massive crisis.
The loss of life in America is comparable to all kinds of wars.
If you just look at the amount of people that die in the south side of Chicago every weekend, it was higher at many points than what was going on with the conflict in Afghanistan.
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to me when I see this, like, the United States.
I mean, the United States, I grew up in the 80s.
Yeah, we were kind of blinded by a lot of glamorizing and just like everything's groovy, all the movies and TV shows and stuff like that.
But at least when I grew up, I didn't have that stress of the micromanaging of constant reminders that the inequities are insane and that the middle class is just getting squeezed.
And everybody I know, and I'm talking about like I tried to buy a house in LA for three years.
I bid on four houses.
One of them, the listing agent was like, we want you to have this house.
They spoke French.
I spoke French to them.
I was like, okay, this is great.
I'm buttering them up.
The people who own the house were French.
The listing agent was Swiss, but spoke French.
And I was like, oh yeah.
And they were like, yeah, we want you to have a house.
I want you to have a house.
I was like, this is great.
House went for $1.7 million.
And of course that was like an underbid, you know, however they do that bullshit psychological whatever.
Low pricing.
So I was like, okay, great.
I'm going to give you a healthy offer.
I gave him a healthy offer, you know, talked to my real estate agent and everything.
I sent it to him and I was like, okay, this sounds like this is going to go through.
And then they're like, oh, sorry.
They went with this other person.
Oh, really?
What did they offer?
They offered 1.2 million on top of the adjusted asking price with no waiving all the inspections, contingents.
And it was cash.
That happened to me three times.
And it felt like the city.
Or life was like, oh, you want a house?
I'll give you a little bit of hope, and then there's going to be a team that just goes out and says, we're going to outbid you, and we're going to just waive all the conditions.
There's no way you're going to compete with it.
And I thought about that, and I have friends that are trying to find apartments right now.
And even in Great Falls, Montana, where I'm from, I think some property value went up, I don't know, a huge percentage.
I just like the times are kind of, I'm like, if an AI could just do a theoretical, it doesn't have to be implemented, but theoretically like ingested all of the government, all the legislation that all the laws that exist and you say, give it a simple thing like, how can we balance all of the spending and how can we contribute to things that will solve problems to make our lives feel more like, hey, you can go out in the street and go, how you doing, man?
I'm not too bad.
They're like, okay, great.
If that was the criteria, I would be interesting to see what it came up with.
We have the most amazing conversations because she's like, she's not, I wouldn't say she's conservative, but she's a constitutionalist and has her beliefs.
And she's Christian.
You know, she will even talk to me on the phone.
She's like, listen, I'm a white Christian Christian.
I'm a woman, you know, living in Wyoming, in Cody, Wyoming, and I love guns.
And I was like, and we have the most amazing conversation.
It's great.
And we usually unify on science fiction.
But she's terrified or she said, you know, it's like, sorry, Kirsten.
But at one point she was like, I'm apprehensive about going to California because what I see is like destruction, you know, gangs and violence and all this stuff.
And I'm like, I don't know, man.
I don't, I don't, and I know that it happens.
I've had friends' cars broken into, you know, those types of things.
But in general, like, I don't experience that.
And then that also comes down to me just going like, why don't you just come to L.A. and I'll show you.
Nowhere is going to be perfect, wherever you're going to live.
There's going to be some kind of a limitation.
You're either not going to have the culture that you're looking for, You're not going to have access to the foods that you want, but you're going to get this, but you're going to get this, but you might not get this.
And I think, for me, it's like, I want to live in places but not have any fear based off of the projection from fear-based projections.
Although I will say, this is weird, but I will say that there's a certain amount of that, this is weird to say, but sometimes when things get hostile or let's say more chaotic, I kind of go, oh, here's an opportunity.
I think it's an opportunity in the sense that it makes people reformat their association to things.
Like, Like, police.
There's more violence.
And now we have less police.
It's like, was the answer less police?
It's like, I don't think the answer was less police.
I think it was about better trained police.
I think that's I think they went too far and it's like when you have these opportunities in life where you like This moment where people are like maybe we should question the way we do things But then the response is to overshoot and overcompensate and now you've got like
this, you know So I don't know I hope it's also a problem that people have an opinion based on an ideology that they subscribe to Yes And say if you have a leftist ideology and you subscribe to that then you have some very specific I bet I know where you stand on climate change.
I bet I know where you stand on many issues Yeah, and the problem with that is if your tribe all agrees to something, you signal to your tribe by also agreeing to, and it's much easier than having a real objective conversation about the realities of that thing and not being attached to these ideas, but just saying, well, what are the realities of these things?
Like, I may believe in something and think about it and go, yeah, that makes sense for me.
But I always leave 10% margin of me being completely wrong or me misunderstanding the whole situation.
Because I can't hold on to something so fervently.
Because I have all kinds of friends.
I have conservative friends.
I have anarchist friends.
I have agnostic friends.
Whatever.
I have religious friends.
I have leftist friends.
But the thing that brings us together is that we can have conversations about issues, and if I bring up something that is a counter to what they believe, they're at least listening, and they're like, that's interesting.
Well, yeah, if we incorporated a little bit of what you're talking about into what we're doing, and we kind of de-escalate on here, we can arrive at something that's a little bit more rational that works for more people.
It's social media and that you can interact and you can say something.
The thing is, like, if something affects you emotionally, you can immediately state how you're feeling.
And the context is so limited on that statement.
I go on Twitter.
I'm not going to call it X, but I go on Twitter and I have these discussions with some people that are like, oh, there is no way whatever I say.
And I'm always practicing different hacks.
I'm like, okay, well, maybe I'll just go in with, you're obviously in, there's some insecurity that you're feeling.
and you're feeling frustration.
And so you're kind of like, you know, you're kind of expounding these things because it kind of gives you an energy in the moment that makes you feel as though...
like I want I just want to I want to come to an understanding because there's nothing better I mean one of my favorite highs in the world and I love drugs but my favorite high in the world is when I had a conversation uh for this is just an example I was in Montana back steps of my His next door neighbor was an armorer in the Iraq War, was responsible for, I don't know, I think it was a battalion's worth of weapons, and it was only he and another guy that were monitoring these things.
So he has all these stories.
And his viewpoint on all kinds of things that are – he's definitely more conservatively.
I had this conversation about the perspective from people who are – it was a police issue and I was saying like police need to be better trained.
It's like it's not necessarily about getting rid of them but I believe that they need better training in other countries.
Police go to school for two and a half years before they even – Get out.
So there's a difference in quality.
And we kind of went back and forth and I saw his eyes narrowing and it was just kind of like steaming up a little bit.
But then the more we talked about it and the more I said, like, I understand where you're coming from.
I get where you're coming from.
And I'm not saying the opposite of what you're talking about.
What I'm looking for is a solution of perspective.
And I saw him cool off.
It was crazy.
It cooled off.
And we left, like, he's, you know, he's still gonna believe what he's believing, but it did not escalate.
And it was feeling kind of a little dangerous.
And then it was fine.
And I'm like, the more that we can have these conversations, people aren't what they are for their entire lives.
They aren't even what they are necessarily in any given moment.
Because when we get information that we can tap into and feel and get it from somebody instead of these tiny little bite-sized nuggets that are like decontextualized, then it's brilliant.
And I get off on that.
That's my biggest high in the world.
It's like my friends going like, this about this.
And I'm like, okay, okay, I hear you.
But what about this?
And they're just like, oh, no, but check this out.
And they're like, oh, well, you know, I don't know what it is.
Marijuana makes me so much more considerate of other people's perspectives and feelings.
Because I'm much more sensitive when I'm on it.
So when I'm talking to someone, I'm so much less likely to engage in like a real disagreement.
It'll be much more passive, much more like, okay, I see what you're saying.
Okay, so you feel that, like, reaffirm, and then have you considered.
And this is a thing, and I also, I say this all the time because it's a very important thing to say, I try very hard to not be connected to my ideas.
That these are just ideas.
And I, as an individual, as a separate being, a conscious being, am engaging with these ideas.
But I don't claim them as my own to the point where I'm married to them and I fight for them and these are my fucking, these are my ideas and I stand by them.
But most things, I'm like, I want to know why you think the way you think.
And that's one of the beautiful things about having a podcast is I have so many conversations with so many people that have completely different perspectives.
It's like I have this concept where I talk about I don't – I kind of believe that we all play characters of ourselves.
Like we kind of have a character version of ourselves.
But then there's the actor, right?
Or if you want to use car terms, there's a pilot or there's a driver and then there's a machine.
And how I like to think of it is I like to address the actor.
that's inside of the character that's like playing the character and generally generally that works really well because if i'm making an effort to speak to that part and then to kind of like try to see myself from their perspective people sense that they sense that you're making an effort and they appreciate it because you're recognizing the the sovereign being that they are not necessarily all the stuff around them i've talked to like people that are like super into conspiracy
theories and they're really down into this crazy zone where it's like if you're talking about encryption it's asymmetrical there's no way you're hacking that but you just skip to the quantum level and just talk to the consciousness and i know it sounds kind of esoteric but it's like it it works it's because i want to respect i want to give everyone the respect of them And acknowledge that they are a being on the planet.
There's nothing I love more than someone like, and I'm just like, hey, what's going on?
Oh, are you okay?
And they're like, why do you care?
It's like, well, because, I don't know, I dig you.
If someone's coming at me, there's definitely times where I will push back on somebody if they're being a dick to me, but I love figuring out a way to be Again, asymmetrical or just illogical to them, irrational to them.
Because if someone's like, I'm going to do something that I'm expecting a certain reaction from that generally I get when I do it.
And then they're like, here's some scrambled eggs.
And then I give them back a hat with a lizard crawling around it.
And I'm like, here's this.
and they're like, what is this?
And then when they're in that confused state, that's the opportunity where you can just be like, What are you doing?
You don't have to be this way.
Life is awesome.
And I know it's hard to see.
For some people, they're really, really affected by their environment.
They're affected by the way they've been treated.
They're affected by all kinds of things.
Oh yeah.
But guaranteed, if an amazing acapella singer started singing, generally someone will be like, "Oh shit, that's amazing." And those types of things, those are the moments where you realize like, oh, we're all in this together.
You're not getting rid of people by like, you're not gonna become happier because you're gonna control the situation.
Absolutely.
That's not really how it works.
There's more power in being collaborative.
And it doesn't mean you have to give up everything.
I think people, they're too binary.
They're like, if I give up here, now I've lost everything.
It's not true.
It's like you become stronger When you become better at collaborating.
Also, you know, I'm an artist, so for me, when I see art, it's like we're all intersected by art.
Art is a great unifier because it just goes straight to the initial core of what being a human being is about, which is curious.
Creative, problem-solving adventurer.
Like, that's generally what human beings are.
They're like, what's over there?
How does that work?
Ooh, I bet you I could make this.
Hey, what are you working on?
Can I help you?
Whatever.
Can you help me?
Whatever.
I think it's that.
But then, again, when people are in survival mode, all the bad shit happens.
And then you get people taking advantage of people in those bad situations, and then they're harnessing, they're extending their disappointment with life and themselves.
On to those people and then they start motivating.
And you're just like, guys, guys, guys, chill the fuck out.
Compiled with alcoholism and fucking drug abuse and problems and stress and lack of sleep and poor diet and all these other contributing factors that make you a fucking maniac.
I do the thing where I rapidly basically describe what they're, like getting to the point at which someone's describing very rapidly, and then going like, "Is that what you mean?" And they'll be like oh yeah and okay okay now let's move to the next one.
Man I'm telling you man it's like It's interesting.
When I have friends that are high-visibility friends or people that are in the spotlight, and I see how they interact with people, and they might not even be friends.
So maybe I'm at a gathering or something like the Emmys party or something like that.
And I love like watching all the social interactions and seeing how they do it.
Like the other night I met, I was at Sarah Silverman's rooftop party and it was like all these amazing people were up there.
It was really cool to see everybody.
We hadn't seen each other in a long time.
All the people I grew up with doing comedy in 2003 in a little tiny club in New York, whatever.
It's like, look at us now!
It's like, this is cool.
We did good.
Or good-ish.
Anyways, Owen Wilson was up there.
And I noticed a strategy that he used, which I thought was kind of interesting, which was he was leaving, and he had kind of met me before, but I don't think he recognized who I was.
I didn't think he knew who I was.
But he had, like, this way of, like, I'm accepting positive energy, I'm reflecting it immediately, but I also have the momentum of I'm getting the fuck out of here.
And I loved seeing that.
I was like, I've done that.
I know what it is.
Yeah.
And, you know, I don't know.
It's like you deal with a lot of people.
You kind of have to – either you're just like, I'm terrible with people.
I'm not going to these things or I'm out.
At this point, the way anybody behaves towards me, I'm not really shocked.
I've seen almost everything.
I've seen – Shortness, I've seen people that other people think are rude, but they might be on the spectrum.
They just jump into something as though you've been talking for hours and assume that you know what they're talking about.
In those cases, I've developed a lot of patience for that.
When I'm with my friends, they're like, whoa, you were really patient with that person.
It's the only way I can do it.
It's because I have to give people a little bit of time.
I don't want them to take advantage of me, but I gotta give them at least a little bit of time to hear what they're talking about.
Because, fuck man, my worst nightmare is the more successful I get, the more detached I become from the general human populace.
I can't do it.
Most of the places I hang out with, I had a friend who gave me a compliment once.
They were like, you're like a famous person that doesn't live their life like a famous person.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to fucking do that shit.
I'm going to the DIY spaces.
I'm helping someone with their flat tire.
You know, whatever.
It's like, nothing changed.
I just have some more resources so I can do some different things.
I have access to a great podcast like this, you know, or get to hang out with like really cool people.
But in general, I just like being a person and hopefully, you know, by me being patient, people observing that they're like, oh, maybe I can incorporate a little bit of that.
I have not changed my number since 1998 when I first got singular.
I signed up on singular.
But I will say this.
I think some of my friends who have to change their numbers, I mean, you're dealing with stuff like the crowds that you're dealing with, you're dealing with like fighting, you're interviewing a lot of people that have all kinds of crazy different perspectives.
I'm always, like, when I'm with friends, like, on that level, I'm a little bit, I'm so sensitive to that dynamic that I kind of, like, go, I make myself so small.
If you come into it with humility, but if you come into telling me that you have this fucking thing that you figured out that no one else has figured out.
It's angles and like there's certain that like contact like there's certain things you actually have to make contact with a person In order for it to be realistic so you have to be really good at that true and you have to be good at pulling shots Oh, yeah, god, that's Yeah, yeah, you have to hit people and not hurt them and that's a real issue with like that there was always stories about certain action stars that That would do fight scenes and hurt the stunt people on purpose.
I mean, I wanted to do, I wasn't interested in ever making a book, but then I was like, an autobiography, that sounds a little bit easier'cause then I'm just telling stories.
Yeah, because it's like, I don't know, for me, it's, I mean, if you think about like all the components, it's like, well, okay, I've got a white French mother from France, you know, African American father from Cleveland, Ohio.
And, you know, they meet in Europe, they, you know, we move around Europe, and then I grow up in Great Falls, Montana, as this biracial, weirdo, kind of strange kid, you know, compared to the rest of the populace.
And then just navigating that, but then also getting the fortune of it being in the 80s.
I don't know.
I think a lot of people, some people have read it, some friends have read it, and they're like, like Anson Mount is reading it right now, and Anson seems like...
But I mean, it's like, what, it came up in the 60s or whatever.
But the new one, actually, there's a joke about it because a guy from the future comes into them and he's from the Federation, so he's got the thing that you just hit the badge.
And they're like, we've analyzed it and apparently it's a communicator.
And then Anson's character is just like, yeah, but flipping open the thing, that's the funnest part.
And if you had to tell her something like really important, there's a monster headed your way.
Like you wouldn't be able to get to it because you'd be like today was like, OK, I feel I don't maybe what's I'm not sure if there's a monster in your neighborhood.
And there's something about trying to find your center in the middle of a storm that I feel is kind of like, it's like strapping on weights on your ankle or wearing a weighted vest in training.
It's a way of kind of challenging yourself to the point at which you hopefully make a goal by achieving something.
I'm addicted to food, but I'm not like if, like if I go on a tour and I don't have access to anything that I normally have access, cause I don't drink.
I just basically do, you know, these feel freeze and like a weed is definitely my constant, you know, especially edibles.
And then K. That's kind of it at this point in my life.
But if I go on tour and I don't have access to any of that, I don't really notice.
I've had crazy shit happen where I was at a cool party and this person had converted a room to make it look like the rainforest, like a Brazilian rainforest.
And it had like Dolby 5.1 storm sounds and associated lighting.
The lighting would change and stuff like that.
And this dope room.
And there's people on all kinds of things.
But I was really high.
I had a couple bumps, and then I had a 200-milligram lozenge.
And I was with a friend of mine, Mason.
And I sat cross-legged, and I put my hands like this, and I became a statue.
And you can really strengthen your legs with bodyweight exercises.
But I also do lunges with dumbbells and things like that.
I do a lot of different things, but leg presses, there's so many videos of people hyperextending their leg the wrong way with their, their ego lifting.
I'm kind of moving into that because, like, last year when my mother died and, like, all the, you know, post-pandemic, like, I just, I had a lot of stuff and it's like, and that injury happened.
I was like, oh, man.
And so I got kind of You know, just pudgy.
And now I feel like probably the weakest I've felt in a long time.
and now that I'm done with the Late Late Show, I have to watch my money a little bit until the next thing comes along.
But like, I mean, I'm doing fine, but I do have to, but that's actually, I'd almost be worth going bankrupt for that.
Because it's like, I'd rather be happy.
I want my health.
My health is the important thing for me in my life.
And I started working with these guys called BioCoach.
I don't know if you've heard of those guys.
BioCoach.
So they deal with metabolic health.
And so I was working with them.
They've given me a couple free months about it.
But the biggest thing really is about, you know, I get like one of these CGMs, continuous glucose monitor things, and keep my glucose levels in a certain level.
And that's helped my energy a lot.
So I'm not doing any sugar and bread and stuff like that.
You know, it's now when I see, like, when you've been on that for a while, when you haven't been, you know, basically keto, but, like, when you've been doing that a while, now when I see a snack tray or, like, you know, I'm backstage and there's all these chips and stuff like that, I'm not even remotely interested in it.
It's the one that I had, they came out with it again in like the early 2000s, I think, 2004 or 5. And then there's a new one that they just came out with that's just all paddle shifts.
I never snowboarded, but it feels like snowboarding, really, because it's like, I'm taking this corner, so it feels more like this, this, as opposed to a 911 is more like, it's like magnetically held to the ground, and it feels like it's crouching when it's going into a And so it's a different experience.
It's a little lighter.
rear steer is amazing, but the Taycan is just, I, so I'm looking forward to, you know, a lighter, if they can make a Taycan that's a third less weight, I'd almost, I'd take 80 miles of range to have a lighter Taycan.
So that's going to come out either 2024 or 2025. But I also heard that the new Macan Electric, which won't be called the Macan Electric, because I think they're just calling it the Macan, that everyone's saying, like, that's the joint.
I don't think it's going to perform as well as a lower car.
Yeah, but it's funny like I've driven, you know modern Tesla's I've driven an X a Y a three performance But then you get into like if you drive a Say an S, right?
I had a meeting with them and I was like, what do you think about doing like a PR thing where like I hand over my Tycon, which I'll say the Tycon is probably slightly better looking.
I think Porsche, between their eFuel that they're investing in, so you can keep running their cars at an ecological balance, because they're making this out of Chile.
I don't know how much if they can scale it, but they are running eFuel for the races, so like the Porsche Cups and stuff like that.
So e-fuel is, it uses, it's a process, it uses captured carbon with some kind of a chemical process that produces a combustible, or, yeah, combustible fuel, combustion fuel, I guess that's how you say it.
And so you can just replace it.
It's a direct.
Any car can use it.
It's just fuel.
But the way it's produced is zero, uses zero emissions.
So it still combusts.
And I think it combusts at a lower – there's less carbon that's created when it combusts and the process of making it is zero.
So it becomes an ecological fuel.
So they call it e-fuel.
And they – of course they invested in that because they want to keep making combustion – Yeah.
I will say that the Taycan, their sport sound that comes on, it's like, yeah, it's like you can turn it on or when you go into sport mode, it turns on.
All it is is an amplified version.
There are microphones that are picking up the sound of the motors, as far as I understand it.
I could be wrong on that, but I think that's how it was explained to me.
And it just amplifies with some extra tonalities.
So it gives it a little bit of a...
It almost sounds like gear shifts, which is kind of weird.
One of the things that Jeremy Clarkson pointed out when he did a review of the Turbo, Is that the way the turbo filters the air, the air coming out of the exhaust is actually cleaner than the pollution air that's in the air.
So in the video above, Jeremy Clarkson, host of the Top Gear, says that Porsche 911 Turbo cleans the air in polluted cities like L.A. While I have seen concept cars that clean the air, I seriously doubt that any existing car, especially the Porsche 911 Turbo, emits exhaust that is cleaner than air, even air in the most polluted cities.
Here's exactly what Clarkson says.
When you drive this car through a really polluted city, Los Angeles, Calcutta, Harrogate, wherever that is, something like that, the gas that comes out of the exhaust pipe is less toxic than the air going into the engine.
And I'm not joking, that's true.
This is like a small, efficient, easy-to-use vacuum cleaner.
It's, Fiskars coming out with good shit too, but I'm trying to, there was another, oh here it is, This guy.
TeeLo.
I don't think you're going to like it, but it's definitely different looking, but it's a small truck, but it's got the same bed length as an average truck, but it's tiny.
Yeah, well, you know, my thing is, like, if you can figure out a way to, like, you just take the engine out, right, transmission, all that stuff, and you just, like, save it.
It's a car, but it's like, Well, that GT40 is even smaller than my Ford GT, the original GT40. It's a very small car.
It's very small.
And now people are taking those and they're adding insane thousand horsepower engines to them and they're doing these retro, like, resto mods on the Ford GT40. Some of them are incredible.
I went to Berlin and the first thing I noticed was the lighting.
All the streetlights are beautiful amber.
All the interior lighting in most places is like, there's no, you know how you walk into like a convenience store here or whatever, and it's just like fluorescent attack?
It doesn't really exist.
I mean, there are places, but in general it doesn't.
I was like, whoa!
They actually care about this shit.
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People are like, we don't like the harsh lights are too bright and it's not good for concentration.
And you go into the design studio, like you can go in there and you just basically go through all the swatches and color, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But yeah, I mean, so that fan in the back, so it depressurizes the zone behind the car so that you don't need a spoiler for downforce.
Well, there are two mini spoilers on either side, but it basically, as soon as that pressure starts to build up, So that's with the fan on, which makes it a lot louder.
You can disengage the fan when you're driving around town.
At a certain point, all electric cars are going to basically be the same, zero to 60. Handling will be different, but the zero to 60 and stopping, that's a pretty predictable science.
The Blue Angels, man, they used to come to my town for air shows, because I lived next to an Air Force base, and I couldn't tell you how excited I was when they would all stand outside of their planes, just in front of each plane, and they all had their names on it.
Some of it is like, some people theorize it's like plasma technologies, but they're like, they're getting physical signatures on it.
You're getting all the radar return signatures, and you're getting infrared.
I don't fucking know, man.
I mean, it really blows me away.
I keep,'cause I can't say for sure.
Like, I believe that other life forms exist.
I also believe, I just don't know if it's like, it doesn't make any sense why they're like, let's just hang out, never show ourselves and just do like really cool, tricky stuff and have people get a bunch of blurry images of it that we can never fucking see.
That's the weird thing.
But I don't know what it is, man.
I mean, it's either natural phenomenon or it's something that's been here a long time or they're probes that are triggered by a certain, I don't know, technological escalation in human society.
Or they're somehow ours, but that doesn't make any sense either.
Yeah, I might have mentioned it on the show before, but I've seen the classic three glowing spheres in the distance kind of moving along and a searchlight turning on or a spotlight turning on and turning off and then gliding with no noise in a canyon.
I've seen that.
And that was awe-inspiring.
But some of the footage that you see, you're like, what is that?
It just went into the ocean.
It just went into the ocean.
It's still traveling at the same rate that it was traveling in the air.
And they're recording it.
So it's either like a huge hoax, which doesn't make any sense because people talk.
Or they're...
I don't know, man.
Or it's like interdimensional shit.
Maybe if we are in a simulation, there are glitches in the simulation, You know, like there's like other things bleeding through and like we're seeing things that don't have any that don't that don't adhere to the laws of physics because they aren't really in our physical realm in a way.
I don't really know.
Because I just...
It really baffles me.
And then also when the government starts releasing stuff and then you got a guy going around like, well, you know, I've been cleared by the CIA or whatever to be able to talk about this and all this stuff.
You've been cleared to talk about stuff that you're supposed to not be talking about?
That's weird.
And then I'm like, is it propaganda?
Is it like, I don't know, man.
It's a tough one.
Because I grew up, I love UFOs.
I grew up Project Blue Book, watched the series.
Loved aliens.
Used to sit in my backyard looking up at the stars, hoping that I would see an alien one day.
And then I did see, not aliens, but I saw UIPs or UFOs.
But I think more than likely that a lot of what we're seeing, a lot of these people are seeing, is some sort of top secret probe.
It's some sort of super sophisticated propulsion system that doesn't rely on a combustion engine.
Some completely new style of propulsion system that they've been working on.
True.
They've been at least theorizing these things.
And the possibility that someone has come up with something in a drone form that they can pilot like that makes the most sense to me because they keep spotting these things in areas where the military practices.
They keep spotting these things off the coast of San Diego, off the East Coast where they have these restricted areas.
That's where they're seeing these things.
Like, it just makes sense that that would be where they would practice these things.
But what's weird about it is that, you know, like, there was that famous UFO crossing incident over the northern, all the states of going from, I think, Seattle or Washington all the way to Idaho, Montana, North Dakota.
They were chasing the squadron of unidentified flying objects in the 50s.
This dude, he basically just recounts stories of paranormal, whether it's occult stuff, spiritual stuff, not spiritual stuff, but just like ghost stuff.
Or aliens.
Or interdimensional travel, that type of stuff.
And then he talks, he tells the story and kind of reenacts it.
And then at the end, he kind of debunks it.
Or tries to debunk it.
But he seems to be pretty impartial.
But he was talking about how when they landed on the moon, they basically did seismic tests and the reverberance.
They basically did seismic tests and the reverberance, there was a reverberance that would indicate that it's possibly hollow.
There's some kind of interesting things there.
Again, I'm not like a firm believer in it, but if you think of it in a fantastical way, like what if that was a spaceship that just like idle, you know, just they just stopped that spaceship, did some experiments on Earth or whatever and just left the spaceship there.
More likely than the moon being made out of cheese.
Still seems pretty ridiculous.
Surprisingly, it's not based on folklore.
Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
NASA researchers sought to learn more about the composition of the moon during the Apollo 12 mission.
Astronaut Pete Conrad and Alan Bean set up a passive seismic experiment at the landing site as part of a larger set of moon experiments known as the Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package.
Once the astronauts were safely back in the command module, they crashed the lunar module into the Earth's surface.
The impact was the equivalent of detonating a one-ton TNT and triggered what's known as a moonquake, the first human-made moonquake to take place.
The PSC's size-o-meters realized.
Recorded the resulting vibrations, which were much bigger and lasted much longer than the scientists had anticipated.
They were far different from the earthquake vibrations we're familiar with.
I'm sure it's just the composition of the moon is different.
And then there's just like all like structures on the moon and then like the Japanese when they, or not Chinese that landed on the backside of the moon, like.
Apollo programs have employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities.
Sure.
But if it's compartmentalized.
So if they are going into space and they're just not going into deep space, they're going, you know, just like space shuttle space, which is not past the magnetosphere, the Van Allen radiation belts, out into deep space.
They go to the space station and then come back down.
It's like this insanely profound recognition that this is this very delicate, fragile thing that we're all a part of.
And then when you're in it and you're concentrating on boundaries and borders and disputes over resources and all that shit, you lose perspective of the magic of what you are on this organic spaceship that's hurling through the cosmos.
well well I mean like I I have like I don't know, it's like I've been, you know, my weight fluctuates all throughout my life.
I've been probably a chubbier guy most of my life.
But I never liked it.
And there would be moments where I'd go like, fuck this.
I'm changing my diet.
I'm going to exercise.
Once in high school, I got really thin in high school.
I got really in shape in my later 20s, and then I did it again when I first moved to L.A. But sometimes my food, like, I just go on these binges, you know.
I'll be late at night watching a movie and I'm like, You know what?
I didn't eat dinner, so fuck it.
Oh, there's that new burger place.
I'll just get Uber Eats.
Oh, they have two burgers that are really interesting.
Well, maybe I'll get both of them and I'll just save half or whatever.
And then I just eat all the burgers and I feel terrible.
And that will happen a lot.
Or I'll go, oh, this is a healthy cereal, so I'm gonna have this healthy cereal and I'm gonna use flax milk and all this stuff.
And then I eat the entire box of cereal.
I can't, I just, once I get going, it's hard for me to stop.
And then when I like, do you wanna go out to dinner?
But I'm trying to watch my diet.
I'm like, I don't know how to go out to dinner and not order, you know, like I get this weird anxiety about it.
But now that I'm doing the keto thing, it's much easier.
I've lost a little weight, and I haven't really been exercising that hard, just like getting like 7,000 steps a day or whatever.
But a lot of it's diet, and it's like once you get that sugar out of it, and I've also been taking this stuff called, I think it's like called Super Gut or something like that, and it's like this powder that you add to a drink, and it aids your gut biome, whatever.
I think the combination of the two things that I'm doing, I'm feeling like I'm a little bit more in control of my appetite, and that feels good.
Because then if I do go off one day a week, I feel fine.
I was at Sarah's party, and she had some sick pizza, and I was like, ah, screw it, I'm just going to go for it.
But I also danced for two and a half hours as well, so I felt like it all balanced out.
I mean, like, I don't mind for holiday, like Thanksgiving, like, I'll get excited about, oh, I'm just going to have some turkey and some freaking gravy and some cranberry sauce, whatever.
I can get excited about a holiday meal, but my everyday day-to-day meal stuff, that's the part where I'm like, I need to get into a mindset where I know this is going to be great for me and I'm going to feel good and I made a good decision.
I love going like four days a week, going to a trainer and getting that relationship going, and they're like obsessed with goals, and I'm like, yeah, we're both in line with this and the improvements.
I love it.
Because I like going into a gym, because it's weird.
As many trainers as I've worked with, when I walk into a gym, I get optioned.
I don't mind the metric of like, we're all going to go swimming and And then everyone takes off their clothes and I'm just like, I'm totally comfortable with it.
Right.
That's what you want.
That's what I want.
That's all I want.
I just want to be because I want to look good naked.
Because I've been there.
Now, that's the problem.
It's like when you've been there a few times, that's the thing because I'm just like, I And my friends are like, but you look beautiful.
And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I appreciate you saying that.
And I'm working on feeling happy in my skin.
But when I take a step down a flight of stairs, there's some extra jiggling going around.
Shout out to Rick Doblin and MAPS. They're so important.
They're so important for elevating the discourse of psychedelics and highlighting the importance and all the benefits and the fact that they're doing MDMA therapy for soldiers and people with PTSD and finding some really excellent results from that.
That, to me, is so promising and so important.
And one of the things that you're seeing now that I think is really incredible is people on the right, right-wing people that recognize because they have friends that are in the military that have come back and have done whether it's psilocybin studies or whether, you know, psilocybin therapy or ayahuasca.
That is huge and that's so that's it's changing the way people think about these things where they thought it was just for losers who want to escape reality and you're just a drug addict and now they're realizing oh Maybe I was a little closed-minded and you know you're talking to fucking Navy SEALs that have done it It's helped them tremendously like oh I respect those people I'm changing my perspective.
I mean, it's like psychedelics have been part of our culture since human consciousness existence forever.
And there's a reason for it.
And the reason for it is because it gets us out.
To me, it's about creating options.
It's like when you end literally sometimes neural pathways, new neurons or new neural pathways are generated.
When you're trapped in either a trauma or something, you're essentially in a really tight loop that you can't see any other way of existing.
When you have a psychedelic, it's like you zoom out and you're like, oh shit, there's all this other terrain.
And then you can start to heal.
But I think when I went to the MAPS convention, me and Eric Andre did MAPS show with Flaming Lips.
But I also spoke on a panel about psychedelics in film.
And I'm just like such a huge proponent of it and the fact that it's being taken seriously and they're doing peer-reviewed papers and research and there's more research being done on it.
I love it.
I think it's one of the things that could possibly save humanity.
I always tell people, I say like, it's the comedy club because it is, but it is a comedy club that if a comedian wanted to design the perfect comedy club, That's the comedy club that you would make.
And that's exactly what it is.
But it's just got the greatest vibe.
I love that there's an independent viewing box for just the comedians, you know, so they can watch the show.
Because my thing is, I hate fucking being backstage.
Chatting's fine, you know, getting to know people is great.
I designed it and built it, or had someone help me design it, rather, but built it exactly for comedy.
I didn't build it as a money-making venture.
My goal was to break even.
It'd be great if I could break even in this place.
I just don't want to lose money.
I don't want it to be something I'm pouring money into every year and I'm like, oh my god, I gotta get rid of the club.
I want it to be able to make money so it's not a strain, but also help the community and the fact that we have this very strong program for up-and-coming comedians.
We have two nights of open mic nights.
We have Kill Tony there.
The door people are all comics who audition for that job with their act.
And they all get spots, and they get showcase spots, and they get a chance to perform, and then they get a chance to see some of the best comics in the world come through.