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Oct. 12, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2048 - Reggie Watts
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I'll take that, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I only drink a half of one though.
You drink the whole one?
reggie watts
I drink the whole one, but I'm going to try a half this time just to see.
You know what's weird?
I have friends that are like, they will not, they're just like, I don't know what it is.
Well, they can't take it because, well, some people do get nauseous on it, but I've never had that experience.
It's really weird.
All throughout my life, I've taken all kinds of things that people are like, oh, I throw up, or like Robitussin or something, like drinking a whole thing of Robitussin.
I throw up, I'm like, I don't know why, but I just don't have that reaction.
So I feel either lucky or I'm dumb.
joe rogan
Do you ever get seasick?
reggie watts
No.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you throw up when you get sick?
Do you ever throw up?
reggie watts
I try to avoid it at all times, but I don't get sick that often.
I get sick maybe once every four years or something.
joe rogan
Do you ever drink too much and then you throw up?
You just downed the whole thing, didn't you?
reggie watts
No, I did like three quarters.
No, I did half.
joe rogan
I don't know why this is two portions.
That's silly.
Because you can't even see through the glass.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
How do I know where the half is?
reggie watts
I always have my flashlight.
I'm just like, oh, let me check.
joe rogan
Yeah, that seems kind of silly.
reggie watts
I just, yeah, I'm trying half.
Because I got to do that because I'm just like so like, just do it.
Just fucking do it.
And every time I do it, I'm like, oh, man.
It feels really good, but I feel like I miss my opportunity to try half, so this is my opportunity.
joe rogan
Kratom is a weird one.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's kind of an opiate, right?
reggie watts
As far as I understand, it uses the opioid receptor, but it's not technically an opiate.
joe rogan
There was a friend of mine was telling me that he takes Kratom before he works out.
I go, how many do you take?
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
And he goes, I take 10. And I go, really?
reggie watts
10 what?
joe rogan
10 pills.
unidentified
10 pills.
reggie watts
Oh!
Of just pure kratom.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And I don't know what the milligrams is.
I go, 10?
I was taking two.
So I tried 10. And I go, dude, you're getting high as fuck.
I was so high.
On 10, I was like, oh my god, this is a drug.
But it's a weird drug where it doesn't affect your motor skills.
reggie watts
No, not really.
joe rogan
I was high, but my coordination, I was like, nothing feels off.
When you're drunk, it's like, I can do this, but everything's in slow motion.
No, you can't.
But Kratom was high in some weird way.
But it was definitely intoxicated.
reggie watts
It's an interesting one, especially, you know, feel free, you've got kava and kratom, which does that, like, here's a mellowing anti-anxiety vibe, and then here's, like, a euphoric energy thing in the center of it.
And so it gives you that, like, that's why people feel so groovy on it, because it's got those two.
However, I do understand if people get sick on it.
Like, they, I think some people just, it's too much for their brain, or they just need to do, like, a third of a bottle or something.
joe rogan
We can't even keep them at the club, because Duncan just chugs them.
reggie watts
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's an animal.
reggie watts
The trusty?
joe rogan
Oh, he doesn't play with those kratoms.
reggie watts
I can only do...
I reserve one four times a week.
At night.
I use it at night because, especially if I have a social engagement, if I have a lot of people to deal with, I take one of those, I'm just like, oh really?
Oh, where did you grow up?
You grew up in France, that's interesting.
That pen, what does it mean to you?
I mean, I'm so hyper-engaged, it's crazy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting that there's actual things that can make you a better conversationalist?
There's things that you can take where you'll be better talking to people.
You'll say different things than you would without those things.
reggie watts
I know.
I know.
I don't know.
I think it has something to do with the...
I think certain things remove the editing aspect and you're just more fluid.
I remember a friend of mine, she had this...
I don't know if you know people like this, but they analyze everything that they're thinking like it's like a compulsion.
So like my friend, she's an amazing musician, but every time she would speak, she'd be like, well, I'd like to, I'm not sure if I should, but I, you know, I would like to, but a lot of this like looped kind of thing, but like the analysis loop is so small that I'm like...
I wish I could help, but then one night, she was nervous about taking ketamine, and I gave her just a little bit of ketamine, and finally she's like, okay, I'll try it, I'll try it.
And she's like, I don't know, maybe is it too much?
And I was like, trust me, just do this amount, I'm really good at dosing.
And she took it, and I progressively saw her go from, I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, and you know, I was just kind of wondering, my career is interesting, but I have a lot of fear based around it.
She was just calm, relaxed, and completely fluid.
And I let her go for a while, and then I said, did you notice that you haven't stopped yourself once, like in the last two minutes?
She was like, oh my god, you're right.
And I was like, yeah.
Like, if you notice that when you're on it, it's possible you can carry that over into your functioning everyday life.
It was cool to see that transformation.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder if that's possible without the ketamine.
reggie watts
I think of course it is.
But the ketamine just puts you immediately in a spot where you're no longer emotionally connected to your observational self.
You're just in an observational state.
For me, I notice that I'm very clear.
Even though I think of myself as a pretty good communicator, sometimes when I'm on ketamine, the thoughts are just flowing in a way that I'm actually watching them.
It's the same feeling when I'm improvising and it's going really well, like I'm with a bunch of cats and we're jamming or whatever.
There'll be this weird thing where I'm suddenly, I'm like, I'm just, it's almost like I'm standing next to myself going like, hey, that's pretty good.
Oh, wait!
And then I'm playing again.
And it kind of puts me in that kind of a state.
And I don't know, there's something about it.
I'm really interested in ketamine, like doing more research with it too, like fMRIs, like, you know, real-time fMRI and mapping regions of the brain when you're improvising and things like that.
There's been a little bit of that, but I want to do it myself just to see.
joe rogan
Wasn't it originally devised as an animal tranquilizer?
reggie watts
Yeah, it was an anesthetic as far as I know.
joe rogan
I think cats or something.
reggie watts
Yeah, it was like, well, horses.
Like large mammals that can do a lot of damage.
I think it was used for them to just come as an anti-anxiety.
And then it's an anesthetic.
So I know a friend of mine, he was, or a friend of a friend, he was skateboarding, shoulder went out of place, went to a hospital, just shot him with ketamine, and then put his shoulder back in.
joe rogan
I think they used that in medic kits overseas.
reggie watts
Oh, that's probably right.
joe rogan
I think they do if they have to do like in the field surgery.
Something happens on the battlefield.
reggie watts
Well, I know in Vietnam all the burn victims from like napalm and stuff like that, they use a mixture of opiates and ketamine.
Because the dissociative takes you out of your body.
So you're not related to the pain in your body.
And the opiates obviously suppress pain at the same time.
Crazy, right?
joe rogan
Pharmacology.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
Reggie Watts and Joe Rogan.
reggie watts
Hey.
joe rogan
We're not giving advice.
reggie watts
There's all these doctors going like, that's not true.
It was actually...
I'm like, okay.
joe rogan
Everything you're saying is dangerous.
reggie watts
I'm trying.
I'm trying.
joe rogan
Everything you're saying is misinformation.
reggie watts
It's all misinformation.
I mean, it's like sometimes it's just what you understand at the time.
Oh, there it is.
There it goes.
joe rogan
Ketamine was found of many the same anesthetic and analgesic properties as PCP. I think it's very close to PCP, like molecularly.
But consistently produced fewer adverse side effects.
Following this initial research, ketamine was characterized as a disassociative anesthetic.
reggie watts
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
And when I was growing up, we would drink Robitussin, which had dextromethorphan in it, which is also dissociative.
And so it's kind of a weirder version of it.
But when I first took Academy, I was like, why does this feel familiar?
joe rogan
It's Robitussin.
reggie watts
Oh, dextromethorphan.
Interesting.
Although Dexameterapy feels like an Instagram filter over the dissociative experience, whereas ketamine feels clean, a little bit cleaner.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
I remember when NyQuil had codeine in it.
One time I was sick.
This was back in the old days.
I took NyQuil, and I remember lying in bed feeling so wonderful.
I was sick.
I was like, this is amazing.
I don't think I'd ever taken it before.
And I don't think this formula is the same.
I think I'm talking like the 90s.
Yeah.
reggie watts
Now, I remember being in a convertible in the 80s and a friend of mine sitting on the deck where the top is down or whatever, he's sitting on the deck and he just had a bottle of codeine.
It was just like take sips of it and I was like I wanted to try it but I was like I don't know I just didn't but it was funny.
joe rogan
Was the car in motion?
reggie watts
It was in motion.
We were cruising.
joe rogan
That's not a smart move.
reggie watts
No I know it's not but it's the 80s.
joe rogan
That's a codeine move too.
reggie watts
I know it's totally codeine.
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The 80s.
reggie watts
It's like 80s everything.
I remember in the 80s being in a scout like going all taking all the back roads from Great Falls to Lake Five in Glacier Park on the way there with like a half rack of beer And just like, you know, drinking beers and cruising down the road and with like three friends and a bunch of bikes in the back.
I mean, I don't know, the shit that we did back then was, you just can't do it anymore.
joe rogan
You definitely can't if people are filming you with their phones.
reggie watts
Oh, that's true.
Yeah, that was the missing link.
joe rogan
That's a big part of the world now.
So many things are being filmed.
There's good and bad of it, right?
The good thing is like citizen journalism.
reggie watts
Sure, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like we know more about the horrors of war, like the wars that are happening right now.
Do you remember like during, it was, I think it was Desert Storm, or it was the next, it was after, whatever 2020, 2001, after the 9-11 attacks.
They weren't allowed to show bodies of troops coming home.
They weren't allowed to show coffins.
Remember, photographers were not allowed.
reggie watts
Or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, which is insane.
And then now, here we are 22 years later, and you just get graphic cell phone footage from Ukraine.
Now you're getting it from Palestine and Gaza.
It's just horrific graphic footage from phones.
reggie watts
I mean, even back in the days, I can remember when ISIS was on the rampage, you could still see videos on YouTube before they took them down.
People were exposed to some pretty...
Beheading videos.
Yeah, I saw one of those and I was like, I should have never seen that.
I should have never seen that.
I can't get it out of my head.
joe rogan
No, I've seen quite a few of them, unfortunately.
reggie watts
It's just like, you know, I mean, it's like, I mean, on one hand, it's like the barbarism is a good thing to see where you're like, that I never want to put myself in this situation or I want to do everything I can to try to make our society not do that kind of shit.
But at the same time, it can desensitize and some people can kind of fetishize on it as well.
So it's, I don't know, it's a twofer.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is a thing with people.
They do fantasize about things that they see.
I mean, you've heard that about serial killers.
They study serial killer documentaries and shit before they actually go out and do it.
reggie watts
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know.
But, you know, humanity.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're so weird.
reggie watts
I know we're weird.
joe rogan
We're so weird.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
You know, this idea of eradicating all war.
I mean, I remember when I was a little boy, I was living in San Francisco during the height of the Vietnam War, and the Vietnam War ended.
And I remember as a boy thinking, oh, this is great.
Now there's not going to be any more wars.
They figured it out.
The war's bad.
reggie watts
Yep.
They didn't.
They didn't.
Because wars will end.
That's the one thing about war.
A war will end.
But does another one...
What's the next war that starts?
joe rogan
They're always sparking up.
They're always sparking up somewhere.
reggie watts
I have this weird theory.
Well, I don't know.
It's a weird theory.
And it's a gross generalization.
But I think like pretty much every conflict is a result of capitalism in the sense that raw capitalism, like in its nascent form, is like it's just a system of trade and so forth.
But the way it's been wired because it doesn't have human well-being involved in the equation, it's just about – Can we make this graph go up like we need more of these numbers?
And it's just chasing infinite wealth, right?
It's like wealth amassing.
So it has a value system, but human well-being is not in it.
So eventually over time, it's like, of course people are going to game it.
And very few people are going to game it.
And they're going to acquire all this stuff.
And they're just going to be like desensitized to the rest of the inequities and so forth.
And then you're going to cause all this animosity.
And then there's going to be a lot of people going like, well, I need to get my stuff back.
And then you get all these opportunists that are using the disgruntilism and like using that to arm.
It's like, that's my over gross oversimplification.
I'm sure I'll be corrected millions of times over.
But Whenever I see any of these conflicts or even a conflict in my own neighborhood or my neighbors arguing over, it's about a property line or it's about you didn't do this or you didn't do that.
It's this weird...
Thought process that goes into I don't have enough or I have all the stuff and I want to keep the stuff or I want more stuff and then someone else kind of responding to that in some way I'm not phrasing it as eloquently as I usually do on ketamine but But that's kind of my Whenever I see all of these things.
I'm just like I have a feeling that it's probably maybe that I don't know the problem is the alternative is even more horrific and What's the alternative?
joe rogan
Socialism.
reggie watts
Socialism.
Yeah.
I don't know enough about that.
joe rogan
Because the only way that's enforced is by dictators and then the dictators wind up doing what every human being in power does, which is control all the resources, control all the wealth, live in extravagant houses while everybody starves.
Every single communist dictatorship is all run the same way.
It's the only way to run them because the only way to enforce socialism is through violence.
The only way to take people's resources and evenly distribute it, you have to go in with guns.
reggie watts
But what about countries like Sweden and things like that?
Well, we have social systems.
joe rogan
We should have social systems.
reggie watts
Yeah, social systems.
But you're talking about full-on socialism.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not, you know, that's why, here's something that's interesting.
I really think within our lifetimes, if it hasn't happened already, governments are going to start using AI to do low-level legislation.
And now I'm just like, I'm summarizing in a very optimistic way.
joe rogan
We've been talking about this a lot, actually.
reggie watts
Oh, okay.
Okay, good.
So I got a friend of mine, Dr. Alan D. Thompson.
If you don't know about him, check him out.
He's an AI expert, researcher.
He's an explainer.
He has a thing called The Memo that comes out, I think like every two weeks, something like that.
But it gives you this really holistic state of the union of AI. And he's hyper optimistic and calls it human evolution, which I believe in that as well.
If it's used...
Well, you get rid of the emotional factor and you just have something that's looking to solve problems.
And so I think it can at least give you five solutions that are not emotionally based, that are just addressed, that are supposed to kind of maximize the positive probable outcome.
And I think we may see a human AI synergistic, at least low-level government implementation.
Probably some country that can do that and not feel like they're batting the farm on it.
joe rogan
And if it goes well, then other people will implement that.
reggie watts
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
We were talking about an AI president.
That you need a president that is immune to bias, corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines, right?
Like, how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment, economics, Social justice, infrastructure, immigration.
It's not possible.
How could one person really know the correct solutions to all those issues, even if you're briefed?
Look, I can't imagine.
All I do is run a podcast.
And do comedy.
And occasionally commentate on fights.
And all those three things take up so much of my fucking time.
My whole day today has been having conversations with people about replacement opponents because there's a UFC coming out in two weeks.
So I've been having all these conversations with experts and people that I know and commentators of who can fit this spot and who's ready and who's in shape and who's turned the fight down and How could anybody?
That's so minor.
My role is so small.
I have so little to do, and yet it takes up so much of my time.
How could anyone Manage all of those things.
They can't.
But AI could.
And AI doesn't have a son that gets money from Burisma.
reggie watts
I know.
I know.
It's like, the thing about...
I know.
Well, it's like, I mean, if you look at, like, it's really hard.
I had a term, I don't know if it exists, but I call it corporacrats.
And most people in government essentially are corporacrats in the sense that...
The things that, when I see people like vetoing things or not getting on board with certain things, and you're like, well, that seems like that would be helpful, but you're choosing not to do that.
It's like the influence of corporations on even well-intentioned, you know, people that go into government, they're like, I want to make a difference.
It just gets in there.
It's so baked.
It's baked in there.
It's baked in there.
I don't know how you're going to overcome that.
The only thing I can think of, because my thing is, I'm not really political in the sense that I don't have a party.
I'm pretty independent.
I want to choose people that are...
That are humble enough, that have enough humility to work with anybody that wants to solve a problem that they're wanting to solve.
And to create solutions for the most amount of people possible.
That's all I'm looking for.
Because there is no excuse for any of us being...
All the inequity we see in all of this stuff is totally solvable if we were much more efficient with how...
How, well, how resources are utilized, how they're distributed, and so forth.
And what I mean by that is, like, some of my friends are like, well, if you do, like, universal basic income, which I think is something I'm kind of interested in, I think that that is interesting, if you can account for where that comes from in a way that doesn't upset people, they have a lot of power and a lot of money, feel like that's threatening my whatever it is.
joe rogan
Do you remember Bernie Sanders, his idea?
reggie watts
Oh no, what was that?
joe rogan
His idea that I thought was really fascinating when I talked to him, he said he's going to take a small fraction, less than one cent, for every speculation buy on the stock market.
reggie watts
Wow.
joe rogan
And that would account for an insane amount of money.
And you could essentially, through that money, just through that money, provide free healthcare, free education, just through that.
There's two things that we could do that could stop people From living a shit life.
One of them is keep them from being saddled down by student debt.
Student debt, student loan debt, is fucking insane.
Because you're taking these vulnerable young people, 17 years old, right out of high school, about to go to college, and they sign on for these fucking deals where they're gonna owe an insane amount of money over the next five, six years, and they can never get out of that debt.
That is crazy.
It's crazy what we do to people.
So then you force them into jobs that perhaps they don't want to do.
And maybe there's things that they would have thought of pursuing that they can't pursue because they have a nut that they have to pay every month because they have student loan debts.
And it's a big nut.
If you're in medical school, it's enormous.
It's an enormous nut.
reggie watts
It's so insane because the way I look at it is like anytime someone's in survival mode, they're in a crisis state.
They're less likely to be in a solution-based mind state.
They're generally in a crisis state.
So if you're in survival mode, you're spending all of this brain trust energy that could be contributing to amazing solutions for all kinds of things.
And you're just wasting it.
And that's why when I drive through LA and I see how many people are on the street, I'm like, there's probably a genius in there.
There's probably someone who could invent a new water filtration system.
Whatever it is, it's a waste of human potential.
And I'm like, if you don't invest in your population, if you don't believe in your population and you don't invest in them...
Some of the arguments are like, well, you're just giving away stuff and people are just going to freeload.
There might be some of that, but most of the time people want to get involved in something and they want to make the people at least close around them, they want to make their lives a little bit better.
joe rogan
That's if you're not a drug addict.
The problem with the homeless community is the vast majority are mentally ill and or drug addicts.
So what you really need, first of all, we definitely need to look at the country like it's our community.
And we don't do that.
reggie watts
100%.
joe rogan
100%.
It should be one giant community.
There's no excuse for radically impoverished, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods.
There's no excuse for that.
We should be engineering that out.
We should figure out a way to...
If you want to make a better country, you want to make America great again, make less losers.
What's the best way to make less losers?
Give people opportunities from the jump.
You know how much potential we're missing out?
reggie watts
So much.
joe rogan
So much potential we're missing out because people who might have brilliant minds, might be incredibly creative, but they're born in horrible, hostile environments and they get caught up in it.
And it could happen to you, it could happen to me, it could happen to anybody.
Anybody who's listening to this that hasn't committed murder or robbed people, a lot of it is luck.
It's your decisions for sure.
It's how you're raised.
But you don't get to choose that either.
You don't get to choose who your family is.
You don't get to choose your neighborhood.
You don't get to choose what trauma they faced in their life.
You don't get to choose what happened to your mother while you were in her womb that contributes to the way you think and behave.
Because when a woman is involved in heavy violence and trauma and when they're around that all the time and the baby's in the womb, that baby comes out triggered.
Like, ready to go.
It's a fact.
Michael Irvin was explaining this to me.
reggie watts
Like epigenetics and experiential development and gestation.
joe rogan
So, if we could do...
I've said this many times, but I'll say it again.
Think about these no-bid contracts they gave Halliburton to go in and fix a rock after we blew the shit out of it.
Why can't they give no-bid contracts to these motherfuckers to go fix up cities?
Why isn't it profitable?
Imagine if it was profitable to do that.
If we can spend a hundred fucking billion dollars in Ukraine, whether you agree with that or not, we had that money somehow or another.
We were able to do that.
We have a crisis in America.
Massive crisis.
The loss of life in America is comparable to all kinds of wars.
If you just look at the amount of people that die in the south side of Chicago every weekend, it was higher at many points than what was going on with the conflict in Afghanistan.
reggie watts
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to me when I see this, like, the United States.
I mean, the United States, I grew up in the 80s.
There was, like, yeah, we were kind of blinded by a lot of, like, you know, kind of glamorizing and just, like, everything's groovy, you know, like, all the movies and TV shows and stuff like that.
But at least when I grew up, I didn't have...
That stress of the micromanaging of constant reminders that the inequities are insane and that the middle class is just getting squeezed.
And everybody I know, and I'm talking about like I tried to buy a house in LA for three years.
I bid on four houses.
One of them, the listing agent was like, we want you to have this house.
They spoke French.
I spoke French to them.
I was like, okay, this is great.
I'm buttering them up.
The people who own the house were French.
The listing agent was Swiss, but spoke French.
And I was like, oh yeah.
And they were like, yeah, we want you to have a house.
I want you to have a house.
I was like, this is great.
House went for...
$1.7 million.
And of course that was like an underbid, you know, however they do that bullshit psychological whatever.
Low pricing.
So I was like, okay, great.
I'm going to give you a healthy offer.
I gave him a healthy offer, you know, talked to my real estate agent and everything.
I sent it to him and I was like, okay, this sounds like this is going to go through.
And then they're like, oh, sorry.
They went with this other person.
Oh, really?
What did they offer?
They offered 1.2 million on top of the adjusted asking price with no waiving all the inspections contingents.
And it was cash.
That happened to me three times.
And it felt like the city was.
Or life was like, oh, you want a house?
I'll give you a little bit of hope, and then there's going to be a team that just goes out and says, we're going to outbid you, and we're going to just waive all the conditions.
There's no way you're going to compete with it.
And I thought about that, and I have friends that are trying to find apartments right now.
And even in Great Falls, Montana, where I'm from, I think some property value went up, I don't know, a huge percentage.
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Yeah.
reggie watts
Well, Yellowstone, man.
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Yellowstone.
joe rogan
They tricked everybody.
reggie watts
Yellowstone.
joe rogan
You're thinking they're going to be a rancher.
reggie watts
When I heard about that, well, no, not even that.
It was just like, everyone thought, I thought, oh yeah, a TV production, promoting that area, like whatever, that should bring in money, right?
It did.
But now every Montana, because Montana's already, it's like, I have the same, I feel the same way.
I'm like, just visit.
Don't move here, but just come and visit.
You know, that's been That's always been my vibe.
Growing up, all my friends have the same vibe.
They're just like, just come here and check it out, and then we'll see you a little bit later.
And you're always welcome back.
And that's always been the vibe.
And now it's almost militant now.
People are really like, do not come in here.
Don't, don't.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can't do that.
reggie watts
You can't stop people.
I know you can't.
I know you can't.
joe rogan
That's a ridiculous perspective.
reggie watts
But I'm just saying that...
It got harsher because of this show and how it changed the economy in Bozeman.
I mean, they call Bozeman in Boz Angeles.
And now no one can buy a house there.
I have a couple friends who are like, we couldn't buy in Bozeman.
We had to move somewhere else.
And prices are going up everywhere.
joe rogan
Wait till they get that 30 below winter for five weeks in a row.
What in the fuck did I sign up for?
reggie watts
I think a lot of people don't understand what they're getting into.
joe rogan
That shit is on the border of Canada, son.
That's up there.
That's a real winter.
reggie watts
I feel safe about Great Falls.
Great Falls isn't necessarily a destination.
I mean, there are great things.
joe rogan
Maybe we should stop talking about it.
reggie watts
Lewis and Clark.
Oh, I know.
Yeah.
Don't come here, man.
Great Falls, man.
There's nothing there.
It's like forest fires.
There's deer that are really aggressive.
joe rogan
Aggressive deer.
reggie watts
Aggressive deer.
But you know what I mean?
The times are kind of...
I'm like, if an AI... Could just do a theoretical, it doesn't have to be implemented, but theoretically like ingested all of the government, all the legislation, all the laws that exist.
And you say, give it a simple thing like, how can we balance all of the spending and how can we contribute to things that will solve problems to make our lives feel more like, hey, you can go out in the street and go, how you doing, man?
I'm not too bad.
They're like, okay, great.
If that was the criteria, I would be interesting to see what it came up with.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're never going to stop supply and demand.
You're never going to stop a place that's awesome from getting people to find out that it's awesome and wanting to live there.
And then you're never going to stop people from raising the price of their real estate because the demand is there.
And then they sell it, and it raises property values.
reggie watts
No, I mean, of course.
I understand that.
joe rogan
It's called progress, Reggie.
reggie watts
Okay.
I understand that.
However...
joe rogan
You live in Los Angeles.
reggie watts
I live in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
That's literally the product of that.
reggie watts
I know.
I know.
The Los Angeles...
I know.
I know.
Believe me.
I feel it.
joe rogan
Perfect weather.
Everybody moved there.
You ever see Los Angeles?
Remember when Jerry's Famous Deli was open back in the day?
You'd be able to see these...
Photographs of the valley from like the 1800s.
They had these old black and white photos where it was all dirt roads and orchards.
There was nobody there.
reggie watts
Yes, I know.
joe rogan
That was 100 years ago, man.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
200 years ago.
Now it's fucking psychotic.
Now it's bumper to bumper traffic and spray paint and cement everywhere.
reggie watts
I know, I know.
I have a friend from Wyoming.
I think I talked about her on the show.
Kirsten Joy Wise.
Yeah, I talked about her.
Sharpshooter.
We have the most amazing conversations because she's like, she's not, I wouldn't say she's conservative, but she's a constitutionalist and has her beliefs.
And she's Christian.
You know, she will even talk to me on the phone.
She's like, listen, I'm a white Christian Christian.
I'm a woman, you know, living in Wyoming, in Cody, Wyoming, and I love guns.
And I was like, and we have the most amazing conversation.
It's great.
And we usually unify on science fiction.
But she's terrified, or she said, you know, it's like, sorry, Kirsten, but at one point she was like, I'm apprehensive about going to California because what I see is like...
Destruction, you know, gangs and violence and all this stuff.
And I'm like, I don't know, man.
I don't...
And I know that it happens.
I've had friends' cars broken into, you know, those types of things.
But in general, like, I don't experience that.
And then that also comes down to me just going like, why don't you just come to L.A. and I'll show you.
Nowhere is going to be perfect, wherever you're going to live.
There's going to be some kind of a limitation.
You're either not going to have the culture that you're looking for, You're not going to have access to the foods that you want, but you're going to get this, but you're going to get this, but you might not get this.
And I think, for me, it's like, I want to live in places but not have any fear based off of the projection from fear-based projections.
And so, I don't know.
joe rogan
Right, but there's a reality of the elevation of violence in Los Angeles that's legitimate.
And also the diminishing of police.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's all real.
reggie watts
Yeah, it is.
Although I will say, this is weird, but I will say that there's a certain amount of that...
This is weird to say, but sometimes when things get hostile, or let's say more chaotic, I... I kind of go, oh, here's an opportunity.
I think it's an opportunity.
In the sense that it makes people reformat their association to things.
Like, police.
There's more violence.
And now we have less police.
It's like, was the answer less police?
It's like, I don't think the answer was less police.
I think it was about better trained police.
I think they went too far.
And it's like, when you have these opportunities in life where you're like...
joe rogan
This moment where people are like maybe we should question the way we do things but then the response is to overshoot and overcompensate and now you've got like this you know so I don't know I hope it's also a problem that people have an opinion based on an ideology that they subscribe to yes and say if you have a leftist ideology and you subscribe to that then you have some very specific I bet I know where you stand on climate change I bet I know where you stand on many issues And the problem with
that is if your tribe all agrees to something, you signal to your tribe by also agreeing to, and it's much easier than having a real objective conversation about the realities of that thing and not being attached to these ideas, but just saying, well, what are the realities of these things?
reggie watts
Yes, I always call it the 10% rule.
Like, I may believe in something and think about it and go, yeah, that makes sense for me.
But I always leave 10% margin of me being completely wrong or me misunderstanding the whole situation.
Because I can't hold on to something so fervently.
Because I have all kinds of friends.
I have conservative friends.
I have anarchist friends.
I have agnostic friends.
Whatever.
I have religious friends.
I have leftist friends.
But the thing that brings us together is that we can have conversations about issues, and if I bring up something that is a counter to what they believe, they're at least listening, and they're like, that's interesting.
Well, yeah, if we incorporated a little bit of what you're talking about into what we're doing, and we kind of de-escalate on here, we can arrive at something that's a little bit more rational that works for more people.
joe rogan
Trevor Burrus: What's stunning how emotionally attached people are oftentimes to subjects that they're not even informed on.
Trevor Burrus: Oh, yes.
Trevor Burrus: When you really have a conversation with them about the actual data, they fall apart because they're ideologically driven.
Their camp, whether they're a right-wing conservative or a left-wing progressive, their camp believes a certain thing.
So they're locked in on this certain thing as being correct and then emotionally they respond.
To a differing opinion.
And that is just rough, man.
Those are rough conversations.
I don't enjoy them.
I really enjoy having conversations with people that I disagree with, that are polite and kind and objective and fair.
Those are great conversations because they're stimulating.
I get to see how you think about things and why you think about these things.
And those conversations are so important.
And for whatever reason, nowadays people don't want to have them anymore.
They want to like, I think it's a social media artifact.
unidentified
100%.
reggie watts
It's social media and that you can interact and you can say something.
The thing is, like, if something affects you emotionally, you can immediately state how you're feeling.
And the context is so limited on that statement.
I've gotten into...
I go on Twitter.
I'm not going to call it X, but I go on Twitter and...
And I have these discussions with some people that are like, oh, there is no way whatever I say...
And I'm always practicing different hacks.
I'm like, okay, well, maybe I'll just go in with...
You're obviously in...
There's some insecurity that you're feeling.
And you're feeling frustration.
And so you're kind of like...
You're kind of expounding these things because it kind of gives you an energy in the moment that makes you feel as though...
joe rogan
You're doing something.
reggie watts
You're doing something.
And often their reply is...
Generally more of the same, but slightly different information.
And I'm like, okay, I see.
You're not in the mode where you want to have a conversation.
We're not having a face-to-face conversation.
joe rogan
You're trying to win.
You're playing a game.
reggie watts
Yeah, and I'm not into winning.
I just want to come to an understanding because there's nothing better.
I mean, one of my favorite highs in the world, and I love drugs, but my favorite high in the world...
When I had a conversation, this is just an example, I was in Montana, back steps of my friend Wally's house.
His next door neighbor was an armorer in the Iraq War, was responsible for, I don't know, I think it was a battalion's worth of weapons, and it was only he and another guy that were monitoring these things.
So he has all these stories.
And his viewpoint on all kinds of things that are – he's definitely more conservatively.
I had this conversation about the perspective from people who are – it was a police issue and I was saying like police need to be better trained.
It's like it's not necessarily about getting rid of them but I believe that they need better training in other countries.
Police go to school for two and a half years before they even – Get out.
So there's a difference in quality.
And we kind of went back and forth and I saw his eyes narrowing and it was just kind of like steaming up a little bit.
But then the more we talked about it and the more I said, like, I understand where you're coming from.
I get where you're coming from.
And I'm not saying the opposite of what you're talking about.
What I'm looking for is a solution of perspective.
And I saw him cool off.
It was crazy.
It cooled off.
And we left, like, he's, you know, he's still gonna believe what he's believing, but it did not escalate.
And it was feeling kind of a little dangerous.
And then it was fine.
And I'm like, the more that we can have these conversations, people aren't what they are for their entire lives.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
reggie watts
They aren't even what they are necessarily in any given moment because when we get information that we can tap into and feel and get it from somebody instead of these tiny little bite-sized nuggets that are decontextualized, then...
It's brilliant.
And I get off on that.
That's my biggest high in the world.
It's like my friends going like, this about this.
And I'm like, okay, okay, I hear you.
But what about this?
And they're just like, oh, no, but check this out.
And they're like, oh, well, you know, I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
That's the wonderful thing about some drugs.
reggie watts
Yes, that's true.
joe rogan
Because some drugs, like for me, it's marijuana.
Marijuana makes me so much more considerate of other people's perspectives and feelings.
Because I'm much more sensitive when I'm on it.
So when I'm talking to someone, I'm so much less likely to engage in like a real disagreement.
It'll be much more passive, much more like, okay, I see what you're saying.
Okay, so you feel that, like, reaffirm, and then have you considered.
And this is a thing, and I also, I say this all the time because it's a very important thing to say, I try very hard to not be connected to my ideas.
That these are just ideas.
And I, as an individual, as a separate being, a conscious being, am engaging with these ideas.
But I don't claim them as my own to the point where I'm married to them and I fight for them and these are my fucking, these are my ideas and I stand by them.
reggie watts
You're dying on that hill.
joe rogan
There's only a few.
Sure.
Like, you know...
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a few.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
But most things, I'm like, I want to know why you think the way you think.
And that's one of the beautiful things about having a podcast, is I have so many conversations with so many people that have completely different perspectives.
reggie watts
Man, I will...
joe rogan
You get this chance to explore them.
reggie watts
Totally.
And it's funny.
It's like, I have this concept where I talk about, I don't...
I kind of believe that we all play characters of ourselves.
Like we kind of have a character version of ourselves.
But then there's the actor, right?
Or if you want to use car terms, there's a pilot or there's a driver and then there's a machine.
And how I like to think of it is I like to address the actor.
This is inside of the character.
That's like playing the character.
And generally, generally that works really well, because if I'm making an effort to speak to that part and then to kind of like try to see myself from their perspective, people sense that they sense that you're making an effort and they appreciate it because you're people sense that they sense that you're making an effort and they appreciate it because you're recognizing Not necessarily all the stuff around them.
I've talked to like people that are like super into conspiracy theories and they're really down into this crazy zone where it's like if you're talking about encryption, it's asymmetrical.
There's no way you're hacking that.
But you just skip to the quantum level and just talk to the consciousness.
And I know it sounds kind of esoteric, but it's like it it works.
It's because I want to respect.
I want to give everyone the respect of them.
And acknowledge that they are a being on the planet.
They're a human being.
And they exist.
joe rogan
But it's also you as a human.
You're a really nice guy.
And every conversation I've had with you has been kind of consistent like that.
You're just a nice person.
You genuinely want to get along with people.
And you genuinely want a real discourse, a real conversation.
reggie watts
True.
joe rogan
Some people aren't into that game.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
And when you encounter those people, like if someone says, no, I want to fucking play tennis.
And you're like, but we're playing ping pong, man.
No, no, no.
Fucking tennis.
You got to go, okay, I want to play ping pong.
You want to play tennis?
Have a nice day.
I'm not going to play tennis.
reggie watts
What if we play Penis?
joe rogan
Yeah, what if we play...
What is the one?
Pickleball.
unidentified
Pickleball.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Pickleball's really fun.
reggie watts
Oh, my God.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I hear that, too.
But I won't just because of the name.
I can't.
But...
No, it's true.
It's like, I just...
I don't know.
I think that we're here and we might as well have a good time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
So, like...
joe rogan
Yeah, be as nice as you can.
reggie watts
Kindness.
That's all I'm looking for.
Kindness is like, if I feel like someone's being kind, it's great.
I've run into tons of assholes that I've seen treat people like shit, but most of the time, I can get in there.
If I can get in there, they'll go like, oh, that's cool, I respect you, man.
I'm like, okay, great, because I respect you too, but also, Don't do that shit.
Like, you could do stuff different, and they'll come back at you, and you'll get an energy that you actually want.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's the thing, too.
Like, some people say, like, I met that guy, and he was an asshole.
Okay, well, how were you?
Because when I met him, he's really nice.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
How did you engage with this person?
Some people, it's like who you are is oftentimes a product of who you're talking to, too.
Who you are in that moment is oftentimes how this person receives you and how they're talking to you.
reggie watts
100%, man.
There's nothing I love more than someone like, and I'm just like, hey, what's going on?
Oh, are you okay?
And they're like, why do you care?
It's like, well, because, I don't know, I dig you.
If someone's coming at me, there's definitely times where I will push back on somebody if they're being a dick to me, but I love figuring out a way to be Again, asymmetrical or just illogical to them, irrational to them.
Because if someone's like, I'm going to do something that I'm expecting a certain reaction from that generally I get when I do it.
And then they're like, here's some scrambled eggs.
And then I give them back a hat with a lizard crawling around it.
And I'm like, here's this.
And they're like, what is this?
And then when they're in that confused state...
That's the opportunity where you can just be like, man, this is silly.
What are you doing?
You don't have to be this way.
Life is awesome.
And I know it's hard to see.
For some people, they're really, really affected by their environment.
They're affected by the way they've been treated.
They're affected by all kinds of things.
But guaranteed, if an amazing acapella singer started singing...
Generally, someone will be like, oh shit, that's amazing.
And those types of things, those are the moments where you realize like, oh, we're all in this together.
You're not getting rid of people by like, you're not gonna become happier because you're gonna control the situation.
Absolutely.
That's not really how it works.
There's more power in being collaborative.
And it doesn't mean you have to give up everything.
I think people, they're too binary.
They're like, if I give up here, now I've lost everything.
It's not true.
It's like you become stronger When you become better at collaborating.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you create alliances.
reggie watts
Yeah, and it's cool.
And you can have rivalries.
I mean, rivalries, I think, are fun if they're not violent.
It's like, I think that rivalries are like, you know, I hate that douchebag or whatever.
I love, like, I always practice, like, fake negative...
Like fake negative stuff where we're just like, yeah, that guy's just such a dick or whatever.
And everyone's like, yeah, he's such a dick.
I mean, look at the way you just helped that guy.
Or whatever.
And I love it because it's like, well, you can kind of exercise a little bit of the real thing, but it's not real.
So it lets off steam.
And I mean, you know about this.
Comedians do it all the time to each other.
Oh yeah, all the time.
joe rogan
God, it's so much fun to do that with comedians.
And it's such a bummer when you try that on regular people.
reggie watts
Oh no, they do not get it.
You're like, right?
And they're like, and you're like, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, especially through text messages.
Like some of my comedian friends, I love the ridiculous text messages.
We'll text message each other the most horrific shit, the most ridiculous shit, back and forth to each other.
Just so cutting to each other and just laughing.
Everyone's laughing and it's fun.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
It's fun.
You're sparring.
reggie watts
I know you're sparring, and that's what the thing...
I mean, it's like, you know...
joe rogan
And it's in love.
It's fun.
reggie watts
Totally.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, the reason why they can say those things to you is because you know they love you, and you love them.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
And it's fun.
And it's funny.
reggie watts
And it's funny, and it's the best.
I mean...
I don't know.
That's my thing.
Also, you know, I'm an artist, so for me, when I see art, it's like we're all intersected by art.
Art is a great unifier because it just goes straight to the initial core of what being a human being is about, which is curious.
Creative, problem-solving adventurer.
Like, that's generally what human beings are.
They're like, what's over there?
How does that work?
Ooh, I bet you I could make this.
Hey, what are you working on?
Can I help you?
Whatever.
Can you help me?
Whatever.
I think it's that.
But then, again, when people are in survival mode, all the bad shit happens.
And then you get people taking advantage of people in those bad situations, and then they're harnessing, they're extending their disappointment with life and themselves.
On to those people and then they start motivating.
And you're just like, guys, guys, guys, chill the fuck out.
joe rogan
Well, I think human beings have a certain amount of conflict and problem solving that they have to address on a daily basis in order to be balanced.
reggie watts
Certainly.
joe rogan
And I think the more you can do that with yourself, the better off you are with other people.
By controlled adversity, doing things that are difficult is the most important.
For me, if I don't work out a couple of days in a row, I'm a different person.
And I know that seems like, well, you got a problem.
Yeah, I do have a problem.
Most of it's genetic, I'm pretty sure.
But my problem has a very simple solution that I've been practicing for decades.
And I understand it.
And I know how to mitigate that problem.
And when I do, I am a much better person.
And so I do that.
But when I don't do that for a few days, I feel like a lot of people feel all the time.
And just a touch of it.
Just a touch of it.
I don't have decades of it.
Yeah.
Compiled with alcoholism and fucking drug abuse and problems and stress and lack of sleep and poor diet and all these other contributing factors that make you a fucking maniac.
reggie watts
Yep.
joe rogan
And environment.
So I just have a touch of it after a couple of days.
I'm like, ooh, I feel fucking irritable.
This is not a good way.
This is the opposite of ketamine.
This is not a good way to interface with people.
If I'm tense and worked up and I run into someone and they're taking too long to talk, you know, they're just blobbing and blobbing.
I'm like, okay, get to the fucking point.
reggie watts
Come on, man.
joe rogan
But I'll say it that way.
Come on, man, get to the point.
And then that person's like, hey, you're fucking rude.
That guy's rude.
You're giving me a fucking ear beating.
Like, oh my God, he's hostile.
Like, I'm sorry I'm tense.
But if I was high and worked out, I'd be like, I see where you're coming from.
I'd maybe joke around a little bit, like, does this story have an end?
reggie watts
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Like, with a smile?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Just make fun of the situation?
Like, I see what you're saying, but running out of time here.
reggie watts
I gotta get out of here.
I do the thing where I, like, rapidly...
Basically describe what they're like getting to the point at what someone's describing like like very rapidly and then like going like is that what you mean?
And they'll be like oh yeah and okay okay now let's move to the next one.
joe rogan
But then they want to keep going and expand on it so it's their own.
reggie watts
That's true.
joe rogan
There's also a problem that some people just suck at talking.
reggie watts
Of course.
joe rogan
Some people are just not very good at it and they're practicing on you.
Like they're practicing.
reggie watts
That's true.
joe rogan
Yeah that's very frustrating.
People talking at you.
reggie watts
Man I'm telling you man it's like It's interesting.
When I have friends that are high-visibility friends or people that are in the spotlight, and I see how they interact with people, and they might not even be friends.
Maybe I'm at a gathering or something, like the Emmys party or something like that, and I love watching all the social interactions and seeing how they do it.
Like the other night, I met...
I was at Sarah Silverman's rooftop party and it was like all these amazing people were up there.
It was really cool to see everybody.
We hadn't seen each other in a long time.
All the people I grew up with doing comedy in 2003 in a little tiny club in New York, whatever.
It's like, look at us now!
It's like, this is cool.
We did good.
Or good-ish.
Anyways, Owen Wilson was up there.
And I noticed a strategy that he used, which I thought was kind of interesting, which was he was leaving, and he had kind of met me before, but I don't think he recognized who I was.
I didn't think he knew who I was.
But he had, like, this way of, like, I'm accepting positive energy, I'm reflecting it immediately, but I also have the momentum of I'm getting the fuck out of here.
And I loved seeing that.
I was like, I've done that.
I know what it is.
Yeah.
And, you know, I don't know.
It's like you deal with a lot of people.
You kind of have to – either you're just like, I'm terrible with people.
I'm not going to these things or I'm out.
At this point, the way anybody behaves towards me, I'm not really shocked.
I've seen almost everything.
I've seen – Shortness, I've seen people that other people think are rude, but they might be on the spectrum.
They just jump into something as though you've been talking for hours and assume that you know what they're talking about.
In those cases, I've developed a lot of patience for that.
When I'm with my friends, they're like, whoa, you were really patient with that person.
It's the only way I can do it.
It's because I have to give people a little bit of time.
I don't want them to take advantage of me, but I gotta give them at least a little bit of time to hear what they're talking about.
Because, fuck man, my worst nightmare is the more successful I get, the more detached I become from the general human populace.
I can't do it.
Most of the places I hang out with, I had a friend who gave me a compliment once.
They were like, you're like a famous person that doesn't live their life like a famous person.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to fucking do that shit.
I'm going to the DIY spaces.
I'm helping someone with their flat tire.
You know, whatever.
It's like, nothing changed.
I just have some more resources so I can do some different things.
I have access to a great podcast like this, you know, or get to hang out with like really cool people.
But in general, I just like being a person and hopefully, you know, by me being patient, people observing that they're like, oh, maybe I can incorporate a little bit of that.
joe rogan
The problem is you do open up the door for grifters.
Like, there's a lot of people that have gotten my phone number.
I should have gotten my phone number.
reggie watts
Oh, really?
You mean, like, oh.
joe rogan
Trying to get things from me and trying to get me to do things for them.
reggie watts
Of course.
Of course.
joe rogan
Get people to do this and that.
Can you connect me with this person?
reggie watts
You know, you block them.
Whatever.
joe rogan
Nah, don't block them.
reggie watts
You don't block them?
joe rogan
No.
reggie watts
Change my phone number.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I have a new one.
I have to give it to you.
reggie watts
Oh, okay.
Good.
Good to know.
Here's an interesting thing.
I have not changed my number since 1998 when I first got singular.
I signed up on singular.
But I will say this.
I think some of my friends who have to change their numbers, I mean, you're dealing with stuff like the crowds that you're dealing with, you're dealing with like fighting, you're interviewing a lot of people that have all kinds of crazy different perspectives.
So the interest is high.
And so people want to have access to that.
For me, it's like, I'm a silly guy.
joe rogan
You're just a cool guy.
You can't give them anything.
reggie watts
Yeah, it's like, I don't really, what are they going to ask me?
Like, hey, can you do my show?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, it gets to the point where, like, if you're a hot woman and a guy's being nice to you, you don't think, oh, this guy's just being nice to me.
You're like, this guy wants to have sex with me.
So that's always on the table.
And so when someone's being nice to me, I have to always go, are you trying to get something or are you just nice?
Yes.
Are you good at knowing?
Hey, I have this business that I'd really like to talk to you about.
reggie watts
Fuck.
joe rogan
There it goes.
reggie watts
I know.
I mean, it's that way for me, but it's mostly about a show.
It's always like, can you do my show?
joe rogan
Right.
reggie watts
Or can you do a voice on my animation thing?
joe rogan
Well, some of that's cool.
reggie watts
Some of that's fun.
It's super cool, but, like, I'm prepared for it, but it's less stakes than what you're kind of talking about.
So I can, like, chill.
joe rogan
At a certain level, it gets super weird.
Like, I have friends that are really, like, Post Malone, who's really famous.
He changes his number all the time.
reggie watts
Really?
joe rogan
He just has to.
He just has to fucking vanish.
reggie watts
I get it.
I get it.
joe rogan
Everybody's trying to do something with that guy.
It's just like everyone's pulling at you.
Everybody wants something.
And they look at you as not just a human being, but as a potential for them to step higher.
reggie watts
Dollar signs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
Success.
joe rogan
And also social success.
You can be seen with that person.
If you travel with that person, if you do things with that person, it elevates your social status.
reggie watts
Oh, 100%.
joe rogan
You know, if you're homies with Post Malone and you walk into a club, like, you're the fucking man.
reggie watts
Yeah, totally.
You were with Post Malone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
I'm always, like, when I'm with friends, like, on that level, I'm a little bit, I'm so sensitive to that dynamic that I kind of, like, go, I make myself so small.
unidentified
Good.
reggie watts
And it's like, There's a point of it where now my psychologist is like, or my psychologist, she's like, it's okay to be a little bit.
You can own some of your achievements, but you don't have to be an asshole.
Because I'm like, well, if I do that, then I'll be an asshole.
It's like, no, that's not true.
You can still be who you are.
joe rogan
Yeah, some of your achievements are real.
It's like if someone wants to talk to you about music and they're saying a bunch of nonsense, and you're like, hey, I'm actually a musician.
reggie watts
I know, I know, I know.
I do love it.
I'm just like...
Cool, right.
You know what?
What I do is I add information to kind of fill out their picture, and then they'll sometimes be like, oh, yeah, yeah, that.
And I'm like, well, at least I'll teach you something without saying, let me teach you something.
joe rogan
The only place I have no room for that is things that are just rock solid and concrete.
Like where there's no debate about these things.
reggie watts
You mean like the earth is round?
joe rogan
Those kind of things.
Those kind of things.
And martial arts too.
I get in martial arts conversations with people that have some ridiculous ideas and I have to say, stop.
Stop.
Stop.
reggie watts
Of course.
joe rogan
You're dealing with a very complex thing and you have very limited knowledge.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're talking to an actual expert.
I don't like that.
I don't like these conversations.
If you come into it with humility, but if you come into telling me that you have this fucking thing that you figured out that no one else has figured out.
reggie watts
Yeah.
It's delusional vibes, and that sucks.
Have you ever been asked to help with fight choreography for films and things like that?
joe rogan
No.
No, I've been asked to do them, but I don't like acting.
I don't enjoy it.
reggie watts
But even coaching a scene to make it look more realistic?
joe rogan
No, no, there's guys that do that are excellent.
I'm not needed.
You know, it's like, you know, someone's not a comic teaching people comedy.
It's a very specific skill to make it look good on camera.
reggie watts
That's true.
It's different than actual.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's angles and like there's certain things like contact like there's certain things you actually have to make contact with a person in order for it to be realistic.
So you have to be really good at that.
reggie watts
True.
joe rogan
And you have to be good at pulling shots.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah.
God, that's I could imagine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to hit people and not hurt them.
And that's a real issue with like that.
There was always stories about certain action stars.
That would do fight scenes and hurt the stunt people on purpose.
And stunt guys would be fucking furious.
reggie watts
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Because this guy would actually hit them on purpose.
And you knew he was doing it.
And it did make the scenes look realistic, but that was not what they had prepared.
reggie watts
Right.
joe rogan
It's all about expectations.
It's like someone's getting free shots on you.
reggie watts
Yeah.
Oh, by the way, I wrote a book.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
What's your book about?
reggie watts
Fight choreography.
I was like, I should slip that in a little bit.
It is about fight choreography.
It took a long time, but I was steering us in that direction.
No, it's just called Great Falls, Montana.
It's an autobiography about me growing up.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
How long did it take to write that?
Was that a pandemic project?
reggie watts
It's a pandemic project, yeah.
joe rogan
Nice.
reggie watts
A year and a half.
Almost two years.
Oh, there it is.
There she is.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Out of control.
Fro, son!
reggie watts
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Fast times, post-punk weirdos.
A tale of coming home again.
Reggie Watts.
Nice.
Did you do an audio for it?
reggie watts
I did, yeah.
I kind of didn't want to.
I was so lazy.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
reggie watts
I know, I know.
I wanted Fred Armisen to do it.
joe rogan
No!
reggie watts
I know, I know, I know.
joe rogan
You have a very distinct voice.
If someone's reading your life story with a different voice, that would suck.
reggie watts
I thought it would just be like weird, but yes, you're right, you're right.
joe rogan
It would be weird, but it wouldn't be good weird.
People are, like, disappointed with good weird.
reggie watts
It's like, no, but guys, isn't it funny?
They're like, no, I want to hear you.
unidentified
It's ironic.
joe rogan
I had Pee Wee Herman do my voice.
reggie watts
It's like, what?
Oh, it's like, no.
We just wanted to hear you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
No, but it's just like, I don't know.
I mean, I wanted to do...
I wasn't interested in ever making a book, but then I was like, an autobiography, that sounds a little bit easier, because then I'm just telling stories.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
And it's about my high school times, which, as you know, like, the 80s were a crazy time, and we did crazy stuff, and...
I don't know.
It was fun to just show this is how I am today.
This is why.
joe rogan
I love a good autobiography.
reggie watts
Yeah.
I mean, I hope it's good.
joe rogan
A good, interesting, honest one.
It's fascinating to listen to how people grew up and what they think and how they develop their thought process.
reggie watts
Yeah, because it's like, I don't know, for me, it's, I mean, if you think about like all the components, it's like, well, okay, I've got a white French mother from France, you know, African American father from Cleveland, Ohio.
And, you know, they meet in Europe, they, you know, we move around Europe, and then I grow up in Great Falls, Montana, as this biracial, weirdo, kind of strange kid, you know, compared to the rest of the populace.
And then just navigating that, but then also getting the fortune of it being in the 80s.
I don't know.
It's like, I think like a lot of people, some people have read it, some friends have read it, and they're like, like Anson Mount is reading it right now, and like Anson seems like...
unidentified
Who's that?
reggie watts
He's the captain of the Enterprise.
Which Enterprise?
The new one.
joe rogan
I don't even know that exists.
reggie watts
It's, sorry, Strange New Worlds.
Star Trek Strange New Worlds.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a trackie.
reggie watts
I'm a science fiction lover.
I do love Star Trek, because I watched it with my dad.
I love it.
I love it.
But I love all...
I love it all.
But yes, the new ones really got me because it does capture the spirit of the old.
Because it's just before the original series.
joe rogan
Oh, before?
reggie watts
Yeah, before.
So it's Captain Pike.
So that's Anson right there.
joe rogan
And this is on what?
How do you consume this?
Paramount+.
reggie watts
I think it's Paramount+.
joe rogan
It's good?
reggie watts
To me, I was worried about it because Voyager's like...
He's got great hair.
Anson's awesome.
joe rogan
Look at his hair.
reggie watts
Anson's like...
He plays the part in this really great way.
He's like the guy that you would want to tell all your problems to on the show.
And he's a great actor and he's always been really cool with me.
But he's done a lot of stuff.
But this is the one.
Finally, this is a role.
joe rogan
Do they have the internet on the new Star Trek shows?
reggie watts
Oh, is there an internet?
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do they have internet?
Can they Google things?
reggie watts
I think they...
Of course they have the ship's computer, right?
It's like artificial intelligence.
I don't know.
They actually never hear about that.
Well, maybe you do hear about that.
But on this show, no.
It's just like...
joe rogan
Can they send emails?
reggie watts
I think it's...
No, because they're just like communicating.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that they never even thought of a phone that would work from space?
They thought of it as a walkie-talkie.
Kirk out.
unidentified
Kirk out.
reggie watts
I know, like...
joe rogan
Like you had to talk and then you had to wait for the other person to talk.
Like a walkie-talkie.
reggie watts
It's like, hello, over.
But I mean, it's like, what, it came up in the 60s or whatever.
But the new one, actually, there's a joke about it because a guy from the future comes into them and he's from the Federation, so he's got the thing that you just hit the badge.
And they're like, we've analyzed it and apparently it's a communicator.
And then Anson's character is just like, yeah, but flipping open the thing, that's the funnest part.
That's the best part.
And I was like, that's true.
joe rogan
Imagine talking on a walkie-talkie to your friend when she's not on ketamine.
reggie watts
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
With the rambling.
reggie watts
Oh, my God.
Well, you'd have to...
joe rogan
And over never comes?
reggie watts
There's just...
Over would never.
Are you kidding?
You'd miss, like...
I don't know how much you'd miss.
You'd miss a lot.
joe rogan
And if you had to tell her something, like, really important, there's a monster headed your way, like, you wouldn't be able to get to it.
Because she'd be like, today was like, okay, I feel...
I don't...
Maybe what's ha...
I'm not sure if...
unidentified
There's a monster in your neighborhood!
reggie watts
It's like, no, there's a thing.
You've got to get out of there.
And they're just like, yeah, but all of reality is made of particles.
So those particles are the essence of perception.
I mean, I've done some functional things on KB4, which were pretty surprising.
Functional things?
Well, things that you're supposed to be functional for.
unidentified
Like what?
reggie watts
I think the first time I did a lozenge, it was a 200 milligram lozenge, because I have a prescription for it.
joe rogan
What is the prescription for?
What does the doctor say when they write that prescription?
He likes to get high.
reggie watts
It's like he really is into, he's a psychonaut.
I don't know.
No, I mean, it's kind of like, it's for therapeutic reasons, but you can like, it's a friend of a friend.
So I was like, well, let me experience this because I want to know what this, what is this like?
But I took it and I did a live stream and it was during the pandemic and I didn't know how high I was going to get, but I just set up the equipment.
I had to problem solve a bunch of stuff and I totally did it successfully.
No one knew that I was high.
And that's my secret, I will say.
It's the one strength I have on psychedelics.
I can always do an impression of a non-high me.
Unless my eyes are crazy, but generally people are like, I didn't know you were high.
I was like, no, no, I was completely peaking on acid.
And they're like, that's impossible.
No, it's something I actually like to practice.
Cause it's fun.
joe rogan
Practice normalcy.
reggie watts
Yeah!
Like I'll do, like often times my friends are like, we're like all really high on K or something like that.
Guys, I'm going to do an impression.
This is my favorite thing.
I'm going to do an impression of a normal person.
And so I'll like get up and go like, oh man, I forgot to do this thing.
Oh shit.
Hey, when you get a chance, can you call so-and-so or whatever?
And then like go over and like wash my hands and like, you know, just do normal person stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
And there's something about trying to find your center in the middle of a storm that I feel is kind of like, it's like strapping on weights on your ankle or wearing a weighted vest in training.
It's a way of kind of challenging yourself to the point at which you hopefully make a goal by achieving something.
But, I don't know, that's a little too weird.
joe rogan
Well, it's also you're comfortable with that state.
You know, for someone who's never experienced that state before, it becomes overwhelming.
And then you kind of like give in to the anxiety of the moment.
That's the thing about bad trips, right?
A lot of it is people fighting it, struggling with the trip, not wanting to accept it, not wanting to let go and give in.
reggie watts
Totally.
joe rogan
It's a big factor.
reggie watts
Totally.
I mean, I get it.
And that's why, generally, it's hard for me to find people that are just down.
You know, like, if I'm like, hey, do you want to do ketamine?
Whenever I see ketamine, it feels like I'm saying, like, the heaviest thing in the world.
Because either people are like, it's horse tranquilizers, it's K-hole, which is thought of as negative, or they're thinking of, like, party vibes.
Like, where you're just, like, doing bumps, and you're like, oh, I'm dancing, here's a bump, I'm bump.
It's like, generally, when I do K, I fucking do K. I want to be in there.
I want to get in there.
And so when people come around, they're like, that's all I know about it.
I'm like, you know what?
Come over to my house.
I should be a coach or something.
People come over to my house all the time.
They're like, I don't know, man.
And I'm like, trust me, I'm really good at dosing.
That's always my line.
But it's true.
People will be like, oh, it was just like you said.
That was great.
I was like, I guarantee you'll ask me for another bump.
And they'll be like, no, there's no way.
And then like, oh, can I have another bump?
I was like, I told you.
It's all about set and setting.
And I like to have fun.
But anyways.
joe rogan
Someone went into a K-hole at my club the other night.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, some lady was going.
unidentified
No.
reggie watts
In the audience?
joe rogan
Yeah, her boyfriend was like, oh, he's doing ketamine.
Yeah, they had to get her assistance.
reggie watts
The good thing is it's over in 20 minutes.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that out here.
A lot of people are doing the nasal spray.
reggie watts
That's what I heard the nasal spray thing.
Yeah, I... Recreationally.
And I heard it was like kind of...
Your engineer was saying that it was like kind of a tech bro thing, which I'm like, well...
joe rogan
I would call Jamie a producer, rather than an engineer.
reggie watts
Okay, I apologize.
jamie vernon
I was trained in an engineer, but I produce now.
reggie watts
Okay, okay, gotcha.
Gotcha, gotcha.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a tricky one, Kay, because just the connotations, the negative connotations.
reggie watts
Yeah, and also where people do it.
It's like, don't do it at a comedy club.
joe rogan
Or don't do that much.
The thing about those nasal sprays is, no one can stomp you from just fucking...
Keep hammering that thing.
reggie watts
It's too convenient.
joe rogan
Next thing you know, your hand has a metallic claw and you're in another dimension.
You keep pumping it.
reggie watts
Oh my god.
Man.
The safety.
There's nothing that feels more unsafe than when you're really high on K and you're in an extremely public place.
It is...
It's quite the challenge.
Usually I just tell people.
I just tell them just so they know.
They're like, hey man.
I'm like, I'm really high right now on K. And usually people are like, oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never done it like that.
I've only tried it a little bit.
I've tried the therapeutic dose.
I was like, oh, it's kind of interesting.
But too many people I know are too into it.
And I'm like, that just seems...
Fraud with peril.
reggie watts
Yeah, there's definitely addiction problems.
I tend to not have issues with that.
I'm saying that.
I'm addicted to food, but I'm not...
If I go on a tour and I don't have access to anything that I normally have access to because I don't drink, I just basically do these feel-frees and weed is definitely my constant, especially edibles.
And then K. That's kind of it at this point in my life.
But if I go on tour and I don't have access to any of that, I don't really notice.
It could be weeks, and I'm like, I don't notice.
joe rogan
That's fortunate.
reggie watts
Yeah, I feel very fortunate.
joe rogan
That means you're not using it to cover something up, probably.
You're not using it to hide.
You're using it to experience something.
reggie watts
Yeah, I want to explore.
I've had crazy shit happen where I was at a cool party and this person had converted a room to make it look like the rainforest, like a Brazilian rainforest.
And it had like Dolby 5.1 storm sounds and associated lighting.
The lighting would change and stuff like that.
And this dope room.
And there's people on all kinds of things.
But I was really high.
I had a couple bumps, and then I had a 200-milligram lozenge.
And I was with a friend of mine, Mason.
And I sat cross-legged, and I put my hands like this, and I became a statue.
joe rogan
I just froze.
When you're saying bumps, are you saying you're sniffing it?
reggie watts
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sniffing it, yeah.
So just a couple, three bumps or whatever.
The Coke variant, if you know Coke, what a bump is.
It's about the same for ketamine.
But I had one of those, and we had the lozenge kicked in, and we went deep into a K-hole.
Interesting thing was, there was a guy, he's probably like 20 feet away, there's people talking all over the place, storm systems, all this stuff.
I hear this little voice through the storm, in the distance, going like, Hey, if anybody's out there, I'm having a crazy trip right now.
And I responded.
I'm pretty sure this is real.
I responded in the quietest voice.
I was like, no, I can totally hear you.
What's going on?
We started having a conversation back and forth.
And Mason can attest to it because he heard me talking.
He's like, who were you talking to?
I was like, I was talking to that guy over there.
And it was a real conversation.
I was like, how is this possible?
How can I be having this super quiet conversation?
It's almost like quantum tunneling or something like that with this person.
And that's happened more than once and where it's almost, I don't want to say telepathy.
unidentified
Supernatural.
reggie watts
It's not telepathy, but I think that it is possible.
I mean, they are producing sound, but maybe the brain is able to Completely, like, noise cancelling.
Just take out all of the noise and focus on that voice.
I've had weird telepathic stuff on it.
That's why I'm interested in, like, doing more research in different states and seeing what results can be released.
joe rogan
You know, when they first discovered Harmin, they tried to call it telepathine.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
What is that?
joe rogan
Well, HARMINE is a MOA inhibitor that's a part of ayahuasca and many other...
There was one that we talked about yesterday that Brian Murrow Rescue brought up that was...
It was a harmin, what was it with, Jamie?
It was a lotus flower, right?
That's what it was, right?
That the ancient Egyptians used.
It's an MAO inhibitor, so it stops monoamine oxidase in the gut, and that's what makes dimethyltryptamine orally active.
reggie watts
Oh, right.
joe rogan
And so harmin, so when they first experienced these altered states, They were trying to isolate the compounds that were responsible for it.
And one of them, they decided, was causing these telepathic experiences.
And so they tried to call it telepathine.
But because of scientific nomenclature, it had already been discovered as harmine.
So it had already been labeled as harmine.
So they kept it as harmine.
But for a while, they were calling it telepathine.
Because the people that were experiencing that were having these communications without words, and they were experiencing things in unison, together.
They were experiencing these visions that they felt like they were communicating with each other through this vision without talking.
reggie watts
I mean, I completely believe it.
I mean, I've had too many incredible experiences on those types, especially dissociatives.
I mean, this is a different substance that we're talking about, but I've had experiences where you're...
I don't know what it is.
I've done crazy stuff where I don't have the greatest knees, and so I'm always careful of it.
I'm on ketamine, and suddenly I'm on the ground doing that duck walk or whatever.
No problem.
joe rogan
You don't have the greatest knees in what way?
reggie watts
They're just not hot.
I like hot knees, guys.
They're not sexy enough.
joe rogan
Maybe get them tattooed.
reggie watts
Yeah, that's true.
I'll just get a huge band around each one.
joe rogan
Suns on each one of them or something.
reggie watts
Low cartilage on the back of each kneecap so from so there's rub it's just I think it's just genetic like a just a Genetic thing that happened.
I also I'm knock-kneed so I was I was born with like not the greatest like Knees and then not feed is how does that work?
So knock the you know, it's like you're kind of knees go in yeah, it's like you know There's a physical therapist that can correct that with exercises Yeah, well, the shape of the...
I mean, really the best thing for it, if I was a kid, and maybe now too, is riding horses.
joe rogan
Riding horses?
reggie watts
Interesting.
Well, you know how they always say cowboys are bow-legged?
It's because they're always in the stirrups and they're around.
Pushing against.
Yeah, and so it makes their legs go out.
So when I was a kid, they were like, if you ride horses, you can correct your knock-kneedness.
joe rogan
Could you correct your noctineness with like a machine, like one of those abductor, adductor machines?
reggie watts
I tried that for a while.
I don't think it's strong.
It's like no matter how strong your muscles get, like that's such a structural thing to actually change.
joe rogan
You should talk to somebody that's an expert in that.
reggie watts
I would.
joe rogan
There's some people that have said that like pigeon-toed people, that you can unlearn that.
reggie watts
For sure.
Pigeon-toed is like, that's a little bit more correctable, for sure, because that's orientation.
That's like a conscious orientation, strengthening the right muscles.
I think with the knee, I don't know, the knees just feel more like it's like a joint.
It's like if you had a joint and you bent it, it's like the joint's bent, but now you've got to bend it back.
joe rogan
Right, but what are you doing to fix that, is what I'm asking.
reggie watts
I'm just complaining.
No, I... Not a lot other than trying to make sure that my feet are in line.
Oh, I'm doing a lot of Asian squats.
Asian squats.
Or like a deep squat.
When you sit really deep in a squat.
So I'll do that for about two minutes.
And I do it randomly.
I'll be at a grocery store waiting in line.
I'll just get down.
And that helps my knees.
It feels pretty good.
It feels like it's kind of aligning something the more I do that.
joe rogan
You should probably do Hindu squats.
Do you know what Hindu squats are?
It's a great way to develop your leg muscles and strengthen your knees.
It's an air squat.
You just do it with your body weight.
When you go down, you put your hands behind you.
And you raise your heels up off the ground.
You touch your fingertips to the ground.
And then as you go up, your feet go down and you raise your arms in front of you.
And so you breathe in.
Like this.
Like that.
I do those.
See those?
reggie watts
Oh, that's sick.
joe rogan
Those are phenomenal.
reggie watts
Wow.
joe rogan
I do 100 of those every day.
reggie watts
Wow.
Now that's something I'm going to do, because as I grow older, my whole thing is mobility and strength.
And so, yeah.
joe rogan
I do those, and I also like to do it on a slant board.
A slant board is nice too, because a slant board...
It forces your heels up at a 45 degree angle.
And then because of that, it really strengthens the supportive muscles of your knee.
And it's a really good exercise for knee strengthening.
I do a lot of knee strengthening stuff.
A lot of it.
I do it every day because I've had three knee surgeries and I've done martial arts since I was a little kid.
So I have a bunch of knee issues.
reggie watts
I got you.
Yeah, I will try any of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to do something.
I can help you.
reggie watts
I would love that.
joe rogan
There's a great guy out there.
He's got an Instagram page called Knees Over Toes Guy.
And he takes people from step one, like with very little knee stability and strength, and he's got a multi-stage program where you slowly keep adding more exercises, adding more resistance, and strengthen the structure around your knee.
Because a lot of the problems that people have...
The knee is not supported well by the musculature, by your tendons and ligaments and muscles.
It's not supported well.
It's not strong enough.
So it's unstable.
And so it twists and moves.
And there's a lot of injuries that people have specifically because of that.
I've made my knees much stronger since I've started this program.
reggie watts
Man, I gotta do that.
That's probably the area that I think about the most.
I don't have flexibility.
I have pretty good flexibility.
All this stuff is good in mobility.
I have a lot of mobility.
My knees have always been the thing.
But the last time, really when I stopped working out, I was training all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were getting jacked.
reggie watts
I was getting pretty jacked.
I need to get re-jacked.
But I was doing a leg press, and I think my feet were a little bit too low on the plate, so I put too much pressure on my right knee.
And just something...
It wasn't like a major or anything like that, but it didn't quite feel right after a certain press.
joe rogan
I would not recommend leg presses.
reggie watts
Yeah, like...
joe rogan
I mean, if you're a bodybuilder...
reggie watts
And leg extensions.
Those are bad, too.
joe rogan
Well, they're not necessarily bad.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just like, there's ways to strengthen your knees that aren't so problematic.
And, you know, I don't lift heavy weights.
Nothing I lift is heavy.
reggie watts
High reps?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, the heaviest weight I lift is 70 pounds.
reggie watts
Okay.
joe rogan
It's kettlebells.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A 70-pound kettlebell.
It's the heaviest thing I pick up, other than my own body weight.
reggie watts
Copy.
joe rogan
But the vast majority of the stuff that I do is body weight.
And you can do some pretty...
You can do a lot.
You can do a lot.
And you can really strengthen your legs with bodyweight exercises.
But I also do lunges with dumbbells and things like that.
I do a lot of different things.
But leg presses...
There's so many videos of people hyperextending their leg the wrong way with their ego lifting.
And they have like a giant stack.
And then they lock their legs out.
It pops back that way.
And they're screaming in agony.
And their knee is destroyed.
I've seen so many of those online.
reggie watts
Ugh.
joe rogan
Something about my Instagram search algorithm is horrific.
reggie watts
It keeps reminding you.
It's like, remember this.
joe rogan
I've seen so many of those gym fail things where people are squatting too much and their legs explode.
reggie watts
I can't do that.
joe rogan
You're not trying to be a bodybuilder, so get off those things.
reggie watts
Yeah.
I mean, for me, it's like, at this point, I wanted to get jacked specifically for a thing I was doing, but now I'm more about...
I just want to become mobile and strong.
And that's it.
And however that looks, that's how it looks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all I do.
I don't do anything for aesthetics.
Not one single thing.
reggie watts
So it's all functional.
joe rogan
All of it's functional.
And all of it is...
It's either bodyweight exercises like chin-ups, dips, push-ups, bodyweight squats, pull-ups.
It's either those things or it's kettlebells.
So all those things, they make you use your body as one thing.
You know, your body has to...
It's not an isolation exercise, which is...
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just don't think that...
That's not...
It's not for me.
I want something that helps my body do martial arts better.
Helps my body function better.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't fuck around with any...
I mean, I'm not, like, shitting on them.
If you want to get bigger and you want to look like a bodybuilder, yeah, there's a real clear way to do it.
Those guys do it.
But that's not what I'm interested in.
reggie watts
Yeah, no, I get that.
That's, well, yeah, that's my next phase.
I'm kind of moving into that because, like, last year when my mother died and, like, all the, you know, post-pandemic, like, I just, I had a lot of stuff and it's like, and that injury happened.
I was like, oh, man.
And so I got kind of You know, just pudgy.
And now I feel like probably the weakest I've felt in a long time.
joe rogan
Did you have a trainer before?
reggie watts
I did, but it was so expensive.
And now that I'm done with the Late Late Show, I have to watch my money a little bit until the next thing comes along.
But like, I mean, I'm doing fine, but I do have to...
But that's actually...
I don't know.
I'd almost be worth going bankrupt for that.
Because it's like, I'd rather be happy.
I want my health.
My health is the important thing for me in my life.
And I started working with these guys called BioCoach.
I don't know if you've heard of those guys.
BioCoach.
So they deal with metabolic health.
And so I was working with them.
They've given me a couple free months about it.
But the biggest thing really is about, I get one of these...
CGM, continuous glucose monitor, and keep my glucose levels in a certain level.
And that's helped my energy a lot.
So I'm not doing any sugar and bread and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
That's good.
That's step one for everybody.
reggie watts
Huge.
And the inflammation in my knees have gone down.
joe rogan
Of course.
Those things cause inflammation.
reggie watts
I know.
It's crazy to me.
And I know that some people are like, I gotta have my sugar.
But you don't.
joe rogan
You don't.
reggie watts
And you can once in a while.
It's fine.
But get the motor running.
joe rogan
I give myself a day, maybe once a week or every two weeks, where I just eat some bullshit.
And I always go, oh, that wasn't worth it.
That was not worth it.
But I give myself that day if I feel tired.
I like to do it late night if I come home from the club.
reggie watts
I see.
joe rogan
And it's like 1 o'clock in the morning.
I'm hungry.
I'm like, fuck it.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gonna work out in the morning.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Fuck around.
I always feel like, oh, afterwards.
reggie watts
But it never feels great.
joe rogan
I give myself a little mouth pleasure.
Give myself a little fun.
reggie watts
You gotta do what you gotta do when you got it.
unidentified
A little cake.
A little cookie.
joe rogan
A little something.
unidentified
A little cookie.
reggie watts
You know, it's now when I see, like, when you've been on that for a while, when you haven't been, you know, basically keto, but, like, when you've been doing that a while, now when I see a snack tray or, like, you know, I'm backstage and there's all these chips and stuff like that, I'm not even remotely interested in it.
joe rogan
That's great.
That's also your gut biome.
If you eat a lot of sugar, a lot of carbs, your body wants that.
Give me some of that stuff.
unidentified
I know.
reggie watts
It becomes a parasite.
It's a parasitic thinking.
And that's what I noticed for me when I'd be at home.
Now what I need to do is I need to get out of my...
I should work out.
And then I go on the phone.
And it's like, oh, it's too late to work out now because I got this thing.
So I guess I better just do the thing.
I'll work out later.
It never happens.
But the one thing I will say that's really helped me is dancing.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Well, that's working out.
reggie watts
That's my, like...
Because I love to dance.
joe rogan
You know, Dance Dance Revolution made a lot of people lose weight.
reggie watts
That's right, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people lost weight.
reggie watts
I mean...
joe rogan
A lot of people lost weight.
Because it's a game.
You're playing a fun game that you get addicted to that actually makes you move your body and burn a lot of calories.
reggie watts
Man, I... I love it.
Because isolated workouts, like, it's cool.
I can do treadmill.
Like, treadmill, I can walk for an hour and just, like, you know, 10% incline, whatever, three miles per hour.
I'll just, like, watch stuff on YouTube and I don't even notice and I feel great.
I feel so good.
And, like, walking a lot is great.
But my ultimate, if I'm going to do an isolated, is hiking.
joe rogan
Oh, hiking's great.
reggie watts
Steep grade hiking.
I don't know what happens to my brain, but I'm just like, eh.
Like, I'm just like, I gotta get up that hill.
joe rogan
It's natural.
reggie watts
Something...
joe rogan
Well, it's natural for human beings.
It's a natural thing to do.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
And also you're outside and hopefully you have good scenery.
It's nice.
It fulfills you in all sorts of different ways.
reggie watts
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
reggie watts
I'm just, yeah, right now in my life I'm like, okay, post Late Late Show, what do I got going on?
I got this book.
I got, you know, some other things in the works and some of the things I'm pitching.
But mostly I'm just about, I want to do the stuff that I want to do and feel good about it.
joe rogan
Enjoy your life.
reggie watts
I'm gonna enjoy my life.
I'm going to Berlin for a couple months just to go there and produce music.
And Porsche always hooks me up with a car when I'm there and drive the Autobahn.
joe rogan
I just did my first track day.
reggie watts
Did you?
joe rogan
With a real instructor.
reggie watts
Oh, sick!
Isn't that fun?
joe rogan
Oh my god, it was amazing.
reggie watts
What were you in?
joe rogan
I was in my cars.
You just brought all of them?
No, I brought two of them.
I brought my Ford GT and I brought my GT3 RS. You have a GT3 RS? Yeah, I have a 2007 manual, Shark Works car.
It's so fast and so light.
That one was hard to handle.
That one, like, boy, you really feel the difference between...
reggie watts
Even with all that Danforth?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The rear, well, the 2007s don't have the same kind of downforce as the 2023. 2023 has this massive wing.
It's insane downforce.
It's an incredible car.
I did drive a modern 2023 GT3 around the track as well that they had there.
reggie watts
Oh, how was that?
joe rogan
Much easier to handle than my car.
My car is a wild bitch.
It's so light.
It doesn't have any nanny stuff to it.
There's no traction control, no nothing.
reggie watts
It's a car.
joe rogan
It's a full-on track car that you could drive in the street.
It's really fun.
God, the Ford GT was magic.
I have a 2005 Ford GT. Wow.
And that thing is incredible.
It just hugs the road.
It wants you to like bend into the corners.
It's got massive tires and a giant engine right behind you that's supercharged.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
It sounds incredible.
unidentified
Low, wide.
joe rogan
It feels low and wide.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
reggie watts
Man, I'm telling you.
joe rogan
You know what the 2005s look like, right?
reggie watts
Yeah, I think so.
When did the new GTs come out?
What was the first model years?
2003 or something?
joe rogan
Well, the first one was the GT40. That was a car that they used.
That's that movie, Ferrari vs.
reggie watts
Ford.
Oh, right.
And that one even had the bubble top, right?
When it went in the race for that guy's head or whatever.
joe rogan
I'll send this to Jamie so you can see mine.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah.
I want to see yours.
joe rogan
It's the one that I had, they came out with it again in like the early 2000s, I think, 2004 or 5. And then there's a new one that they just came out with that's just all paddle shifts.
Mine's a manual.
reggie watts
Oh, wow.
Okay.
joe rogan
Mine is still a manual.
But going around a track with an instructor, you realize why a paddle shifter is the way to go.
reggie watts
Oh, man.
joe rogan
On the street, that's my car.
reggie watts
Oh, it's gorgeous, man.
Spiders.
Nice.
That is a clean machine.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It's so low and so wide and it handles so well.
It's just like when you're going around the corner, it feels like this is what I want to do.
It tells you, like, yes, this is what we like.
reggie watts
Plus, it's got that 60s vibe to it that's pretty sweet.
joe rogan
It's such a good-looking car.
My God.
reggie watts
I am so stoked on, like, because I have a Porsche Taycan Turbo S, and I have a...
joe rogan
That thing's amazing.
reggie watts
That thing is, it's...
joe rogan
It's amazing.
reggie watts
It's like, I mean, there's faster cars, you got the Plaid, you got the fucking...
joe rogan
Barely faster.
reggie watts
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
If you find out that it's faster, you're a fucking asshole.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
Like, you have to be so crazy to take that Taycan Turbo S and try to compare it.
reggie watts
I just remember like going up the, you know, the Angeles National Forest, you know, Angeles Crest.
So going up to the Crest because there's that Friday meetup that happens.
Was it Good Vibes Breakfast Club?
Jay Ryan and his wife, they started it.
But so we always meet up there every Friday morning.
And that drive up there, especially if there's like no one ahead of you and you get those nice long stretches of curb.
There was a motorcycle.
We went up the back way.
Motorcycle was behind me, and he thought he was just gonna decimate me or whatever.
And I was in front of him, and then he was just gone.
And he was like, I can't believe you lost me.
I've never been able to lose somebody.
He was on some super bike, like crazy, and he's a really experienced rider.
He's like, you just disappeared.
And he's like, and you were staying in your lane the whole time.
And I was like, yeah, the Taycan, I like...
I like, because I have also a 911 Turbo S 2022. So I have both those.
The Turbo S is a nasty monster, but it's more analog.
It's got like a, it grips, feels like a mountain goat.
The Taycan is like, it's just like, it's a spaceship.
And it's all about weight management, because it's so heavy.
joe rogan
Well, also, the weight is all on the bottom.
That's where the batteries are.
So the weight distribution is amazing.
reggie watts
It's crazy.
But it feels like a snowboard.
I never snowboarded, but it feels like snowboarding, really.
Because it's like, I'm taking this corner, so it feels more like this, this, as opposed to a 911 is more like...
It's like magnetically held to the ground, and it feels like it's crouching when it's going into a corner.
And so it's a different experience.
It's a little lighter.
Rear steer is amazing.
But the Taycan is just...
So I'm looking forward to...
If they can make a Taycan that's a third less weight, I'd take 80 miles of range to have a lighter Taycan.
joe rogan
Well, if they had a two-door.
If they come up with a two-door Taycan and make it the size of a 911. The Cayman's coming.
reggie watts
Electric Cayman.
joe rogan
Really?
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's going to be insane.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
reggie watts
Or, is that right?
Yeah, the 718. That's Cayman, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
Yeah.
So that's going to come out either 2024 or 2025. But I also heard that the new Macan Electric, which won't be called the Macan Electric, because I think they're just calling it the Macan, that everyone's saying, like, that's the joint.
I don't think it's going to perform as well as a lower car.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, the X is a pretty fucking amazing car.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Tesla X. Yeah.
Jamie had one of those for a while.
Yeah.
reggie watts
Really?
That egg wagon?
joe rogan
Dude, that thing doesn't tip over.
reggie watts
Okay.
joe rogan
That thing literally doesn't tip over you, you get nailed.
If somebody t-bones you, it doesn't tip over.
reggie watts
Right.
joe rogan
Because all the weights at the bottom of the thing, it's just like, boop, boop, always like lands back on its side.
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
So the handling of those things, because the weight is all in the bottom.
reggie watts
Yeah, it's like almost, yeah, most of it.
You know, but then it comes in but then you get Porsche and then when you're in a Porsche it always comes back It's the shape of it.
Oh, that's the moose the moose test.
joe rogan
What is that?
reggie watts
That's not doing well.
It's a Kia Those things handle my bitch.
Yeah, but it's funny like I've driven, you know modern Tesla's I've driven an X a Y a three performance But then you get into like if you drive a Say an S, right?
Not even the non-Plaid.
Or even a Plaid.
You're driving it.
Whoa, this thing's fast.
It's crazy, right?
And you just jump immediately into a Taycan.
The driving feel is night and day.
It's insane how different it is.
joe rogan
Well, the Taycan's a Porsche.
reggie watts
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Their ergonomics are impeccable.
The interior is perfect.
reggie watts
It's just, it's like, and I love it.
And they've been so good to me.
They've been really cool.
They've invited me to all kinds of stuff.
They've like, took me to Goodwood.
I'm super appreciative of those guys.
They're really cool.
They know how much passion I have about their cars, and I'm so excited about their electric stuff.
And it's hard to go to another car.
Like I was thinking about Lucid for a while, that new Sapphire that's coming out.
That's like the fastest thing on the planet.
joe rogan
Really?
I haven't seen anything about that.
reggie watts
Haven't seen that?
Oh my god.
Lucid Sapphire, three motor, 1100 horsepower or 1100 something something.
It's like this cheeky number.
And it is 0 to 61.86 seconds.
Their claim, there it is.
Their claim is that it's basically all the performance, it's 90% of the performance of a Rimac Nevera for a tenth of the price.
joe rogan
Wow, look at that thing.
That looks amazing.
reggie watts
And that's all California made.
California designed.
California manufactured.
joe rogan
Seats are great.
The interior looks nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that.
reggie watts
That screen in the middle folds up.
joe rogan
How reliable are these?
reggie watts
I don't know.
See, that's the thing about it.
joe rogan
The Tesla's very reliable.
reggie watts
Very reliable.
But this is an electric car, so, you know, you're talking about three electric motors.
Doug DeMuro.
joe rogan
And who's this company, Lucid?
How long have they been around for?
reggie watts
They've been around for, I'm going to say, like five or six years, something like that.
It's the former, one of the executives from Tesla.
It's his company.
Oh, interesting.
And the people that did the handling, their ex-Lotus engineers, it's insane.
Yeah, and...
My friend Johnny Lieberman, who's the one...
joe rogan
Yeah, I know who that guy is.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah.
So Johnny, I kept going like, but I don't know, the Taycan's coming out with a three-motor Taycan soon or whatever.
He's like, the Sapphire.
I was like, are you for sure?
He's like, no, the Sapphire's the one.
I'm like, okay, okay.
So I haven't driven that, but I can't imagine...
joe rogan
Can I see some more images of the outside of it, Jeremy?
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
It's a sexy car, man.
I mean, it used to be two-tone, so the upper part was like this silver.
Then they created this stealth paint job, which now it looks like a great car.
joe rogan
Where do you get one, though?
Do you have to get it online?
Is there a dealership who fixes them?
reggie watts
They have dealers.
It'd be interesting to hear the Sapphire Air.
joe rogan
1200 horsepower.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jeez Louise.
reggie watts
It's a nasty piece of machinery.
It's really, really dope.
It's a cool piece.
But I tried, I called them, I had a meeting with them, and I was like, what do you think about doing a PR thing where I hand over my Tycon, which...
I'll say the Taycan's probably slightly better looking.
That's a good looking car.
But the Taycan is a little bit better looking.
joe rogan
Taycan's better looking.
reggie watts
I have it in coffee beige, which gets all the attention.
Everyone's always like, oh my god, what's that color?
What's that color?
unidentified
Let me see that.
joe rogan
Pull up coffee beige Taycan Turbo S. Yeah.
I want to see what that looks like.
reggie watts
I love that.
That color, when I got it, I was like, I don't know.
I wanted to go for chalk, but then coffee beige seemed warmer.
Yeah, that's mine right there on the far left.
That's what it looks like.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
That's a better looking car.
reggie watts
It's got like, and it's got the 911 roofline.
Although my chrome, I don't have chrome.
It's all blacked out.
But I have those same wheels.
And then he doesn't have the carbon fiber.
Or sorry, I didn't carbon fiber, but carbon.
That's a beautiful car.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful car.
That's a better looking car.
reggie watts
And it's all 20. It's 20%.
I've got 20 tenths on everything.
Anyways, point is, I'm just excited.
I think Porsche, between their eFuel that they're investing in, so you can keep running their cars at an ecological balance, because they're making this out of Chile.
I don't know how much if they can scale it, but they are running eFuel for the races, so like the Porsche Cups and stuff like that.
joe rogan
What is eFuel?
reggie watts
So e-fuel is, it uses, it's a process, it uses captured carbon with some kind of a chemical process that produces a combustible, or, yeah, combustible fuel, combustion fuel, I guess that's how you say it.
And so you can just replace it.
It's a direct.
Any car can use it.
It's just fuel.
But the way it's produced is zero, uses zero emissions.
So it still combusts.
And I think it combusts at a lower – there's less carbon that's created when it combusts and the process of making it is zero.
So it becomes an ecological fuel.
So they call it e-fuel.
And they – of course they invested in that because they want to keep making combustion – Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's something about the sound of a combustion engine that's impossible to replicate.
And when they try to do it, like fake it, it's so gross.
reggie watts
I don't like the fake shit.
I will say that the Taycan, their sport sound that comes on...
Yeah, it's like you can turn it on or when you go into sport mode, it turns on.
All it is is an amplified version.
There are microphones that are picking up the sound of the motors, as far as I understand it.
I could be wrong on that, but I think that's how it was explained to me.
And it just amplifies with some extra tonalities, so it gives it a little bit of a...
It almost sounds like gear shifts, which is kind of weird, but for me...
joe rogan
Let me hear what it sounds like.
reggie watts
Yeah, if you have a Taycan sound.
Let's see.
Wow, that's going to be...
That's it.
That's the sound.
Hear that low end that kicks in?
joe rogan
That sounds dope.
reggie watts
They tried to patent it recently in Europe.
They wouldn't let them.
So those are all...
joe rogan
That sounds fucking sick.
reggie watts
It's sick, man.
joe rogan
That sounds sick.
reggie watts
I mean, that's...
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's amazing.
reggie watts
I mean, it makes me want to be in it right now, but like...
joe rogan
That sounds fucking dope.
reggie watts
So it's just, it's an augmented sound that the car actually makes.
The motors actually make that sound.
Oh, here's the interior.
Are they in Poland?
joe rogan
Dude, that sounds dope.
reggie watts
And I like it because you feel that low-end rumble as you're driving.
So it does give you...
It gives you information.
Like, when I'm driving, I feel the car.
Because otherwise, if it's totally silent, it's weird.
It doesn't feel right.
joe rogan
Well, it does sound weird when I drive my car.
My Tesla S. Oh, yeah.
reggie watts
You got a Plaid.
That's yours.
Or no, that wasn't yours.
joe rogan
That's Jamie's.
reggie watts
Yeah, Jamie's.
joe rogan
I have one of those.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's silent.
reggie watts
Yeah.
Which is like...
It's alright, but I don't mind it if the sound is just an augmentation of what the motors sound like.
Then I'm into it, especially when you've got a 3 motor going on.
joe rogan
Right, and that sounds like a cool spaceship type electric car.
reggie watts
Yeah, and then I'm like, because I feel like I could confidently, like, when I drive an electric car, I like both.
I mean, the Turbo S is amazing to drive.
Even though I do feel a little bit bad.
And I know that sports cars account for very, very little because it's a very, very small market.
But I still kind of feel a little bit eh.
And then when I tried the Taika, I'm just like, this thing is just, it's like, I feel fully free in a way.
joe rogan
One of the things that Jeremy Clarkson pointed out when he did a review of the Turbo, Is that the way the turbo filters the air, the air coming out of the exhaust is actually cleaner than the pollution air that's in the air.
reggie watts
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
See, we can find that.
reggie watts
The particulate filters.
joe rogan
When you're in a polluted city, like if you're in a place like Los Angeles, like downtown L.A., Yeah.
The exhaust from a turbo, from a turbo Porsche, is actually less pollution than the actual air.
reggie watts
Yeah, I can believe that because everyone's complaining about the sound of it.
You can't rev it because the particulate filters are so strong because of the EU regulations.
So people are like, oh, well, they have a rev limiter.
It doesn't sound that good or whatever.
But I don't really care about that.
The performance is preposterous.
I mean, that...
joe rogan
It's electric car performance from a combustion engine.
reggie watts
Exactly.
That's why I wanted the Turbo S. Because I had the Taycan.
I was like, I want to know what the Turbo...
joe rogan
So, in the video above, Jeremy Clarkson, host of the Top Gear, says that Porsche 911 Turbo cleans the air in polluted cities like LA. While I have seen concept cars that clean there, I seriously doubt that any existing car, especially...
The Porsche 911 Turbo emits exhaust that is cleaner than air, even air in the most polluted cities.
Here's exactly what Clarkson says.
When you drive this car through a really polluted city, Los Angeles, Calcutta, Harrogate, wherever that is, something like that, the gas that comes out of the exhaust pipe is less toxic than the air going into the engine.
And I'm not joking, that's true.
This is like a small, efficient, easy-to-use vacuum cleaner.
This is called the Porsche Dyson.
So here's the question for Sunday afternoon.
What do you think?
Is he wrong?
unidentified
Does he have...
reggie watts
Man, well, you just made me feel a little bit better.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true, though.
Jeremy Clarkson has said multiple things that aren't true.
reggie watts
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, they famously rigged their Tesla episode to show that the Tesla died on the track, and it didn't die on the track.
reggie watts
I remember that.
I was like, why are you doing that?
unidentified
Horrible.
reggie watts
Just do the shit honestly.
You're going to run into anomalies anyways.
Why do you have to invent that shit?
joe rogan
Well, because that's a reality show.
It's gross.
They have to create drama.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Create problems.
But to do that, you're like tanking a business.
I mean, how many people saw that and wouldn't buy one of those cars because of that?
reggie watts
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
And I think Elon lost in court because I think part of the show is that it's entertainment.
reggie watts
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
So they're allowed to fake things.
reggie watts
I see.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
Which is kind of fucked.
reggie watts
It's kind of fucked.
Well, you know what?
It's like a freedom that should exist.
However, to use it in that way is really poor taste.
And I don't know, maybe there's some kind of a consequence to it.
joe rogan
I think there's a consequence, certainly, to that business.
I mean, how many people saw that?
And I bet that was a big hit on the business.
reggie watts
Yeah, I remember seeing that and I was like...
Oh, really?
Okay.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, it's an electric car.
They're kind of hard to fuck up.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember thinking, oh, well, it must be new tech.
I'll wait a while.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Because right now it's fucking up.
But it wasn't fucking up.
reggie watts
No, it wasn't.
Yeah, I remember that was with the Plaid, right?
joe rogan
No.
Oh, that was just the- Early on.
Oh, it was the early Tesla.
The one that looked like a Lotus.
reggie watts
Oh, you're talking about the very first one.
Oh!
joe rogan
See, we can find it.
reggie watts
That was way back.
Yeah, the Roadster.
joe rogan
Yeah, the original Roadster.
reggie watts
I did not know that.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, the new Roadster is just like vaporware.
reggie watts
It's not going to happen.
Where is that fucking thing?
Everybody's killing it.
I mean, the Aspark owl is coming out, and that's going to blow that away.
joe rogan
You don't think it's going to happen?
reggie watts
I don't think so.
Well, maybe, but I just don't.
I don't know.
I don't think the appetite's there.
joe rogan
What?
reggie watts
I think Lotus and...
joe rogan
Oh, the appetite's there, dude, if it comes out.
If they make the Tesla Roadster the way that Elon showed it when they did that demo, 1.7 seconds, 0 to 60, looks insane.
reggie watts
I know, yeah.
joe rogan
It looks fucking cool as shit.
Two-seater.
reggie watts
Yeah, but it's going to be the same price as a Porsche Cayman, electric Cayman.
So it's like people are probably going to choose the Porsche.
joe rogan
We'll see.
reggie watts
I'd choose the Porsche every day.
joe rogan
I mean, the problem with Teslas, my problem with them, is that they don't have buttons.
Everything is touchscreen.
reggie watts
I do not like that.
joe rogan
I do not like that.
reggie watts
That is one thing you would appreciate about the Lucid.
Because the Lucid, the cockpit...
unidentified
There it is.
reggie watts
It's a good looking car.
joe rogan
So you can still order that thing.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but I found it on their website somehow.
joe rogan
Come on, that looks dope as fuck.
reggie watts
I mean, no, it looks sick.
It looks like a Ferrari.
joe rogan
That looks dope.
reggie watts
Looks like an electric Ferrari kind of smoothed over.
joe rogan
Well, it looks like a Tesla sports car is what it looks like.
But there's no timeline for this thing.
I mean, I think their road map is get out the truck first.
So the Cybertruck has started to be delivered.
And people are driving, apparently.
A friend of mine saw one in LA. Wow.
reggie watts
I do not like that truck.
joe rogan
Dude, have you seen it in real life?
reggie watts
Yes.
joe rogan
It's fucking sick.
reggie watts
Really?
I do not.
I love it.
I'd like to take a Rivian over that any day.
joe rogan
No way.
reggie watts
Rivian's good looking.
unidentified
Ew.
reggie watts
Sick.
It's a cutie.
It's a cutie.
joe rogan
You like those glasses you're wearing.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, see what I'm saying?
That's like what the Rivian's headlights look like.
They look stupid.
reggie watts
Oh, that's the stadium headlight.
Oh, no, thanks.
joe rogan
I don't like them.
They look good for you.
But if I wore them, people would be like, Joe's trying too hard.
reggie watts
How about the Alpha Wolf?
joe rogan
What's that?
reggie watts
That's a sick electric truck.
You're gonna like that way better than Cybertruck.
Cybertruck is not a useful vehicle.
joe rogan
Not useful?
reggie watts
I don't think so.
Everyone's complaining about the bed.
They're saying the bed's not designed in a way that's actually useful.
joe rogan
Who's carrying shit in that bed?
reggie watts
That's what I'm saying.
But truck people are like, what the fuck is this for?
Check out the Alpha Wolf.
You're gonna love this thing.
joe rogan
What is this thing?
Who makes this?
reggie watts
It's Alpha.
joe rogan
A company called Alpha?
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this is electric?
reggie watts
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
reggie watts
It's a monster.
joe rogan
It's like an off-roading.
reggie watts
So it's an electric pickup truck?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa!
reggie watts
And they just came out with, I think it's like a, I don't know, it's got like a, look at that thing.
joe rogan
Dude, that thing looks incredible.
reggie watts
Look at that smooth piece across the front.
joe rogan
That thing looks incredible.
reggie watts
That to me is like, when I saw that, I was like, that's a fucking truck.
joe rogan
It's so exciting how many people are making.
No, what's the range on this fucker?
reggie watts
I don't know.
joe rogan
Two-door truck, so it's a two-seater.
reggie watts
I'm going to say it's probably going to be like 200 or something like that.
joe rogan
So it's a two-seater.
reggie watts
It's like an old 275. That's with American.
That's not so bad.
I mean, for an adventure truck, if you want to go on an off-roading experience, that's fine.
joe rogan
No, it's not good.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Because if you want to go somewhere, where are you going to go?
reggie watts
Well, but, you know, I mean, the thing is, batteries are always going to improve.
But the fact that they're putting this out, I mean, look at that blue.
joe rogan
Don't scroll so fast.
reggie watts
That's so good.
What's wrong with you when you're scrolling, man?
joe rogan
You're scrolling so fast, bro.
reggie watts
You're such a fast scroller.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks sick.
It looks very cool.
reggie watts
It's just like a good-looking truck, and I like...
They're coming out with one, and then who's the other one that has that?
It's like...
joe rogan
275 is not much range, though.
reggie watts
I mean, it's as much range as my Taycan gets.
It's kind of like a median of performance vehicles.
That's about as much as you're going to get right now with the battery tech that exists.
joe rogan
But the Lucid, doesn't the Lucid, isn't it supposed to be more?
reggie watts
Lucid's 500 plus on some models.
joe rogan
Is it on the Sapphire?
reggie watts
Sapphire is going to be less.
Performance.
Tires.
Yeah, tires and the amount of energy.
It's got three motors.
joe rogan
What is the Sapphire's range?
reggie watts
It's 300 plus.
unidentified
We might have skipped past.
reggie watts
Oh my god, look at that.
joe rogan
We have something called the Nightwolf and the Superwolf.
unidentified
Whoa!
reggie watts
Yeah, there's a new model to just that.
joe rogan
Superwolf?
What's the Superwolf?
reggie watts
That's their new shit.
There you go.
Check that out.
joe rogan
Oh, man!
So it really is an adventure vehicle.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Solar panels.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which probably doesn't do much.
reggie watts
You know, it'd help with like systems.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
You could like keep running camping shit and stuff like that.
Oh, look at that.
Doorless.
Less weight.
joe rogan
So this was a four-door version of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So the Super Wolf is a four-door.
reggie watts
Yeah.
Oh.
It's like, it's sick.
There's also a plus.
joe rogan
I might have more better.
reggie watts
They're one to watch for.
unidentified
Wolf Plus.
Ooh.
Also a four-door.
joe rogan
That looks sick.
It's got suicide doors in the back.
Ooh, look, a tent connects to it.
reggie watts
That is so cool.
Plus, like, with the solar, you just run all your tent stuff, you know, whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
While you're away.
I really...
joe rogan
250, 275, same range.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
5.9 seconds, 0 to 60, blah.
unidentified
It's faster than the other one.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's slow as shit, though.
reggie watts
Yeah, but, you know, it's not everything.
It can't be perfect everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh, stop.
What are you, a salesperson?
reggie watts
It's a good-looking.
It's a good-looking.
unidentified
I like it.
reggie watts
It's a good-looking.
joe rogan
This one has a little bit more range.
300?
300 plus.
Mm-hmm.
reggie watts
Nice.
And there's that other small electric truck.
They did look great.
joe rogan
I like the side flares.
reggie watts
I mean, it's so cool.
It's just a great look.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks great.
reggie watts
I mean, you get more range on that.
I mean, over time, there'll be new battery chemistry.
I mean, look at how clean that is.
It looks like an old school.
It's got that old school, you know, 80s.
joe rogan
Truck look.
reggie watts
80s, 90s.
Yeah, because I like trucks that look like trucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
That's sick.
jamie vernon
It does look like the truck Michael J. Fox wanted in.
reggie watts
Yeah, that's exactly right.
If they ever redid, because you're gonna need to, redo Back to the Future, that's the truck that's gonna show up.
joe rogan
Now show me the Cybertruck.
reggie watts
KC Daylighters.
joe rogan
I still prefer the Cybertruck.
When I saw the Cybertruck in person, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen.
reggie watts
I mean, when it came out, I was like, oh, that's a cool, that's a bold design, but then it didn't come out for a long, long, long time.
joe rogan
Well, it took a long time.
reggie watts
This looks like a 70s sci-fi truck.
joe rogan
It's dope.
I love it.
reggie watts
Small.
joe rogan
I saw it in real life and I was like, this is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen.
I think it's pretty dope.
reggie watts
Fisker's coming out with good shit too, but I'm trying to...
There was another...
Oh, here it is.
This guy.
TeeLo.
I don't think you're going to like it, but it's definitely different looking, but it's a small truck, but it's got the same bed length as an average truck, but it's tiny.
It's this little T-L-O thing.
joe rogan
T-E-L-O. That looks disgusting.
reggie watts
Look at that.
Look at that.
Now, that's what I would rock.
joe rogan
It is tiny, man.
unidentified
Wow.
reggie watts
And look at that approach angle.
Nothing.
Nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
You know, you'd have to see how it handles and all that stuff.
jamie vernon
I saw something yesterday that wasn't a truck, but it was like a recreated 67 Mustang electric car.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
reggie watts
They're doing those now.
The Electro Restoma things, those are from scratch, too.
They're not using donor cars.
That's from scratch.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
reggie watts
Yeah.
I think it's the one that you're talking about, the Mustang.
So they're recreating?
It looks like a Mustang, but it isn't a Mustang.
I don't know if that's what you're talking about.
unidentified
Yeah, I didn't say Mustang.
reggie watts
I just said 67. Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen that company?
What's it called?
Everati?
reggie watts
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're doing that with like Porsche 964s.
reggie watts
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Taking those and they're making them electric.
reggie watts
They say that they're one for one.
At least like steering handling and all that stuff feels pretty one for one.
joe rogan
Well, it must be amazing just because of the batteries.
The low center of gravity.
reggie watts
Check that out.
Looks like a Mach 1 kind of.
joe rogan
Wow.
Technology company that creates brand new electric cars that look like Mustangs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do they call it?
jamie vernon
The cars, or the company, Charge.
joe rogan
But they don't call it a Mustang?
reggie watts
No, I don't think they legally can.
joe rogan
Interesting.
But it's clearly, they ripped off the Mustang.
reggie watts
They completely did.
Wow.
Yeah, it's a from scratch, bespoke.
But I mean, look at that shit.
unidentified
Interesting.
reggie watts
I mean, I love that electrics are starting to look like engines now.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I have to be honest.
If I want a 67 Mustang, I want it to go boom.
reggie watts
Of course.
Of course.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want a silent 67 Mustang.
That just feels goofy.
reggie watts
How about that McMurtry Spearling?
Remember that?
They're making a road car.
joe rogan
Does it have sound?
Can you hear what this thing sounds like?
jamie vernon
It looks pretty dope.
joe rogan
It looks pretty dope.
But a 67 Mustang looks dope.
reggie watts
Of course.
I get you.
Yeah, well, you know, my thing is, like, if you can figure out a way to, like, you just take the engine out, right, transmission, all that stuff, and you just, like, save it.
Right?
So you can swap it in and out as you want.
joe rogan
Oh God, you can't.
reggie watts
I mean, you can't, but I'm just saying, if you figured out a way to do it, maybe.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
But have you seen the McMurtry Spearling?
That thing that got the Goodwood record?
It's a vacuum car.
It's a fan car.
I was there at Goodwood when it did its legendary run.
I think it's got the fastest record going up Goodwood.
It sucks itself to the ground.
It can make up, I think, 10 tons of downforce.
It looks like a tiny Batmobile.
And it looks kind of funny because it's so fast.
There it is.
That's the Goodwood.
I was right there.
I was right there in that stand, right there.
joe rogan
So what is a vacuum car?
How exactly does that work?
Whoa, look at that thing.
reggie watts
It's so fast.
It does zero to 60 in like 1.6 seconds or something like that.
And it's just that thing.
Look at this thing.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That looks fucking amazing.
reggie watts
It broke every record.
It's so good looking too.
I mean, it destroyed that run.
I mean, it was coming so fast down the tunnel because Porsche's stand is like facing the launch tunnel.
We were there and as it came up, it was coming up so fast people were like, it's not going to make that turn.
joe rogan
Go to the website for that, Jamie.
reggie watts
They have a passenger car, or they have a road car coming out, using the same fan.
joe rogan
So this is just for the track?
reggie watts
This is a track monster.
joe rogan
And how does that thing cost?
reggie watts
Not too bad.
It's like one point something million.
I mean, for a car that's that fast, I mean, come on.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
A million a piece.
reggie watts
There you go.
joe rogan
A million dollars.
reggie watts
Wow.
And that...
It's amazing.
I got to see it up close.
joe rogan
Stop.
Scroll.
How do you say it?
Sperling?
reggie watts
Sperling.
joe rogan
Sperling.
reggie watts
It's an Irish company.
joe rogan
Emerged last year with a record-breaking run at Goodwill Hill Climb.
It uses two rear-mounted fans to produce absurd amounts of downforce.
The car is tiny, shorter than a Chevrolet Spark, and weighs less than 2,205 pounds.
Yet the Sperling produces 999 horsepower.
Holy fuck.
reggie watts
Yeah.
You talk about like, this is just an Irish dude that made a lot of money.
I forget, he's a billionaire.
He made a lot of millions.
And he was just like, I want to make this car.
And he just did it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
reggie watts
It's so good.
joe rogan
What does that do on the Nurburgring?
reggie watts
I mean, I wonder if they've done it yet.
joe rogan
How do they not?
You have to.
Look how good that looks!
reggie watts
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Oh my God, that looks so good.
reggie watts
Isn't it good?
That's the road car.
joe rogan
That's gorgeous.
reggie watts
That's what they're, yeah.
joe rogan
When is that going to come out?
reggie watts
I don't know.
I'm going to say like in the next two years.
joe rogan
You can achieve three Gs.
unidentified
Three Gs?
joe rogan
Well, you know, my Gunther Works can do three Gs.
reggie watts
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
I mean, that shit's, that's a nasty car.
I want to say that someday.
joe rogan
That's a full carbon fiber air-cooled 1995 Porsche.
reggie watts
I want to see it.
joe rogan
It's so fun.
It's the rowdiest car.
It's so rowdy.
reggie watts
I'm going to come out just to see that car.
joe rogan
It's so analog.
I would have brought it today, but it's raining.
It can replenish the battery in 20 minutes.
reggie watts
Not too bad.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
It doesn't say how long it goes, though.
reggie watts
I can't imagine.
What's the battery pack?
It's a 60 kilowatt, and plus the weight.
I bet you anything you could get, I mean, with the road car, you're probably going to get like 200 over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
I think, because it's so light.
That's like the lightest sports car, you know.
joe rogan
Looks incredible.
reggie watts
Yeah, McMurtry Spearling.
I was fascinated with it, and I didn't even know it was going to be at Goodwood, and when it came out, I was like, Am I watching a cartoon?
Everyone was laughing because it looks like a cartoon when it's moving.
Because you're like, it's coming at you and it just goes like a Tron car.
Like a fucking Tron car.
joe rogan
That kind of downforce, the handling is fucking incredible.
reggie watts
You're not going anywhere.
And it's got redundant systems.
Some people were like, what if the fans went out?
But the two independent fan systems and there's these redundant...
So you get one and it still produces enough downforce.
It wouldn't let you go on a corner.
joe rogan
How do the fans work?
How does that work?
reggie watts
It's basically just like it's a vacuum cleaner.
It just creates a vacuum under the car.
joe rogan
So are the fans exposed in the rear?
Like where are the fans?
No.
reggie watts
They're internal into the body and then there's these ducts out the back where it channels.
Wow.
joe rogan
And it just sucks you into the ground.
reggie watts
It just sucks you into the What a fucking car, man.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that looks good.
reggie watts
I saw a car reviewer.
He's like the tall dude, that British guy that does all the car reviews.
I forget his name.
But he got to do a zero to 60 run, just a straight line.
He couldn't talk.
And he wasn't joking.
He couldn't talk after the run.
He was crying, and he couldn't talk.
And he was like, I need a moment.
unidentified
Wow.
reggie watts
Like that moment in Ford versus Ferrari, you know, where the guy's like, I never knew.
Where he takes the exec for that crazy run, and then he's like, he's crying, and he's like, I never knew.
It's like, I know that feeling, because that's a real thing that happens, and people might think it's stupid.
joe rogan
It's a car, but it's like, Well, that GT40 is even smaller than my Ford GT, the original GT40. It's a very small car.
It's very small.
And now people are taking those and they're adding insane thousand horsepower engines to them and they're doing these retro, like, resto mods on the Ford GT40. Some of them are incredible.
Because it's such an analog car.
It's a real race car.
It's got a plexiglass side window.
It doesn't even roll down.
reggie watts
I love that shit.
I love it.
I love life.
I love engineering.
That's totally my thing.
My thing is design, engineering.
I went to Berlin and the first thing I noticed was the lighting.
All the street lights are beautiful amber.
All the interior lighting in most places is like...
You know how you walk into a convenience store here or whatever and it's just like fluorescent attack?
It doesn't really exist.
I mean, there are places, but in general it doesn't.
I was like, whoa!
They actually care about this shit.
People are like, we don't like the harsh lights are too bright and it's not good for concentration.
Whatever.
I love design.
I like anything that's designed.
I could look at an ashtray.
I could look at a knife.
I love knives.
Whatever.
I just...
Whatever.
Firearm.
It's like any engineering that people were passionate about and they're like, this is what we wanted to make and we made it.
I'm like, good for you, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm into that, too.
I just love design and innovation.
I just love seeing the human mind come up with something like that spiraling.
reggie watts
I mean, come on.
joe rogan
I mean, imagine the amount of passion and innovation.
Drive and dedication you have to have to develop something like that and actually produce it and make it.
And then when you see the preposterous way this thing fucking maneuvers and handles.
It's so cool.
reggie watts
I know, I know.
And the Gordon Murray cars that just gave out.
joe rogan
What's that?
reggie watts
The Gordon Murray T50 and the T30. What's that?
He's the guy who designed the F1, the McLaren.
That, you know, the $20 million now evaluated $20 million supercar.
Yeah, he designed that, a legendary designer, and then he made two cars.
One is a fan car.
Well, no, it's not a fan car.
It uses a fan to depressurize the zone behind the car.
Oh, there we go.
unidentified
Whoa!
reggie watts
T-50.
I think it's the T-50.
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
reggie watts
Yeah, so center driving position and two passenger seats on either side.
joe rogan
Look how low it is.
Just like the F1. Wow, it looks a lot like a McLaren.
reggie watts
Yeah, that was his baby.
joe rogan
And how does that thing handle?
reggie watts
I mean, there haven't been any reviews on it yet, but I mean, look at that stick shift.
And they design the cockpit around you, so you come in for a fitting, essentially.
But you get to see all the mechanics exposed for the shifter on the interior of the car.
joe rogan
So shifter, does it have gears?
reggie watts
Yeah.
So it's a full gas car.
joe rogan
So it's a full gas car.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
The other one that they came out with is more of a 1960s homage.
joe rogan
Is this a manual transmission?
Does it have a clutch?
reggie watts
Yeah.
Clutch.
Manual transmission.
joe rogan
Really?
reggie watts
Yeah.
So the T33, that one.
Check that one out.
I love this car.
joe rogan
That's very interesting.
reggie watts
Yeah, this is more of like a kind of more manageable.
But Gordon Murray, he's just a legend.
The guy is insanely talented.
But he just made the cars that he wanted to make.
And there was like nothing.
Every wire, every bolt, that guy is...
I've watched so many interviews.
And everything is approved by him.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a gorgeous car.
reggie watts
They're really beautiful automobiles.
And he doesn't release performance numbers because he doesn't believe in that.
He believes in the spirit of the car, like the way it feels.
And of course it's going to be lightweight and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Scroll back down, please.
reggie watts
And he doesn't do traction control either, I don't think.
joe rogan
It says, in every major engineering area, the T33 is mechanically superior to modern-day supercars.
Go to the interior.
See what that looks like?
Wow.
So is this like a bespoke thing?
They only make a certain number per year?
reggie watts
Yeah, all that stuff.
joe rogan
Stupid, expensive.
reggie watts
And you go into the design studio, like you can go in there and you just basically go through all the swatches and color, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Wow.
reggie watts
Yeah, you know, I mean, there's some beautiful automobiles out there and I can't afford them.
joe rogan
Click on that video so I can see that video.
Does it show it driving?
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
I don't really see them.
Yeah, there should be a sound, but that's the weird thing about his company.
They don't really show a lot of footage of the car in action, which is kind of curious.
joe rogan
Has this been actually released already?
Can you buy one of these?
reggie watts
You can order them.
T-50s exist, I think?
Or I think if that's the name of the T-50, I figure.
joe rogan
Why is this video a map?
reggie watts
It's stupid.
joe rogan
That's why I wanted to click on it because I knew it wasn't.
unidentified
It's just a sales pitch.
reggie watts
It's a sales pitch.
Okay, there's a track.
Okay, now show the car.
That's it?
That's what I'm saying.
That's the one thing I don't like about it.
That's the guy that drove the Spearling that was crying.
That dude.
Super tall guy.
Gordon Murray's tall, too.
It was kind of fun to see them talking together.
Interesting.
But yeah, I mean, so that fan in the back, so it depressurizes the zone behind the car so that you don't need a spoiler for downforce.
Well, there are two mini spoilers on either side, but it basically, as soon as that pressure starts to build up, So that's with the fan on, which makes it a lot louder.
You can disengage the fan when you're driving around town.
joe rogan
Why would you?
reggie watts
Well, I mean, you know, small towns and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tell them to deal with it.
You're in town.
reggie watts
Oh yeah, this is good.
joe rogan
Oh, look at the back seat.
reggie watts
Isn't that great?
joe rogan
So the people sit behind you.
reggie watts
Yeah, just like the F1. Wow.
The F1 was center with two passengers on either side, which I kind of like that.
I mean, it's like you're going to take two friends on a ride, you know?
It's kind of fun.
And then you get that center drive position, which I've never experienced before, but I would love to get a center driving position.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Wow.
That's crazy.
That's a road car.
reggie watts
Man, isn't it great?
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
I know, it's like, you know, there's still like, there's some cool stuff going on.
But, you know, the good thing is like, there's cars at every price point and they're all like, so many great ones, you know?
I love them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a good time for automobiles.
But it's a weird thing because they keep making them faster every year.
reggie watts
I know.
joe rogan
It's like, where does this go?
reggie watts
I know.
That's what I'm saying.
There's a biological limit to speed and G-forces.
At a certain point, all electric cars are going to basically be the same, zero to 60. Handling will be different, but the zero to 60 and stopping, that's a pretty predictable science.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
I don't know where we're going to go.
We can't get faster than blacking out.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
G-force.
reggie watts
It's like you don't want to be like...
Right.
joe rogan
I wonder if that's possible.
reggie watts
I think so.
joe rogan
That someone could black out from a car.
reggie watts
I mean, you could black out...
Yeah, you could black out from a corner...
I mean, because blacking out has just reduced blood to the brain.
So, I don't know.
I guess on a forward acceleration, you should be able to black out.
I think you could black out.
joe rogan
Have you ever been in a fighter jet?
reggie watts
No.
Never been in a...
No.
joe rogan
I flew with the Blue Angels once.
reggie watts
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, I blacked out.
reggie watts
Oh, of course you did.
joe rogan
I went seven and a half Gs and didn't black out.
And then we did another corner and I didn't do the hooking thing.
And I did one corner where I didn't do it right.
I just didn't anticipate it was going to be as much as...
And I threw up.
reggie watts
Whoa!
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
It's exciting, though.
I can't imagine.
Were you wearing the liquid-filled suits?
unidentified
No.
reggie watts
Oh, he didn't have them.
joe rogan
No, the Blue Angels don't wear suits.
reggie watts
They don't?
joe rogan
No.
reggie watts
Oh, that's right.
They're like old school.
joe rogan
Old school.
So you have to be kind of jacked, and you can't be tall, because the tall guys, it's too much blood against the brain.
reggie watts
Yes!
Too much volume.
joe rogan
These guys are like stout and they have to be stout in order to pilot that thing because you have to have like muscles.
reggie watts
Right.
joe rogan
You have to be able to force the blood into your head.
You actually see your consciousness closing in like an elevator door.
You see it.
reggie watts
Like they do in video games when you like to start to black out.
joe rogan
This is crazy when they get right next to each other and they fly.
That's fucking bonkers.
Guys, you're just feet away from each other.
reggie watts
The Blue Angels, man, they used to come to my town for air shows, because I lived next to an Air Force base, and I couldn't tell you how excited I was when they would all stand outside of their planes, just in front of each plane, and they all had their names on it.
joe rogan
But there is nothing like an air show crash to fucking terrify you.
reggie watts
Mike, are you kidding?
joe rogan
There's a ton of those you can see too.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
Have the Blue Angels, they have a pretty low crash record.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know who crashes, but I've seen air show crashes where they fuck up.
And those are horrific.
reggie watts
Oh, man.
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't want to go to an air show.
reggie watts
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't need to go to an air show.
reggie watts
Have you seen the dirty roll?
Have you ever seen that?
joe rogan
What's that?
reggie watts
The two planes come together with their landing gear out facing each other.
Their landing gear are almost kind of like offset, and then they do a full rotation.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
reggie watts
It's the most insane.
I saw it a few times.
They're like, and they're coming around here for a dirty roll.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck that.
reggie watts
So, yeah, so check this.
Hopefully you'll get to see it.
So that's a dirty, a single, but they did a double dirty roll.
Two planes facing each other, landing gear facing each other.
joe rogan
I would want to be far away with a spotting scope.
reggie watts
Oh, look at that.
joe rogan
Oh, no, I want to be close enough where one of those fucking things touches the other one, flies into the crowd.
reggie watts
Oh, my God.
It's, it's...
Oh, I see.
Oh, he pulled out safely.
Yeah, there was, like, a complication with it.
I mean, the new planes that are coming out, I mean, I don't know.
The fucking neck...
Was it air dominance next to air dominance vehicle or whatever?
joe rogan
What do you think about all this UAP UFO stuff?
reggie watts
Oh shit.
You know, I don't know.
It's something.
It's something.
I don't know what it is.
Some of it is like...
Some people theorize it's like plasma technologies, but they're getting physical signatures on it.
You're getting all the radar return signatures, and you're getting infrared.
I don't fucking know, man.
I mean, it really blows me away.
I keep...
Because I can't say for sure.
I believe that other life forms exist.
I also believe...
I just don't know if it's like, it doesn't make any sense why they're like, let's just hang out, never show ourselves and just do like really cool, tricky stuff and have people get a bunch of blurry images of it that we can never fricking see.
That's the weird thing.
But I don't know what it is, man.
I mean, it's either natural phenomenon or it's something that's been here a long time or they're probes that are triggered by a certain, I don't know, technological escalation in human society.
Or they're somehow ours, but that doesn't make any sense either.
I don't know, man.
I mean, I've seen them.
I've seen UFOs.
You have?
Yeah, I might have mentioned it on the show before, but I've seen the classic three glowing spheres in the distance kind of moving along and a searchlight turning on or a spotlight turning on and turning off and then gliding with no noise in a canyon.
I've seen that.
And that was awe-inspiring.
But some of the footage that you see, you're like, what is that?
It just went into the ocean.
It just went into the ocean.
It's still traveling at the same rate that it was traveling in the air.
And they're recording it.
So it's either a huge hoax, which doesn't make any sense because people talk.
Or they're...
I don't know, man.
Or it's, like, interdimensional shit.
unidentified
It's...
reggie watts
Maybe if we are in a simulation, there are, like, glitches in the simulation.
You know, like, there's, like, other things bleeding through.
And, like, we're seeing things that don't have any...
That don't adhere to the laws of physics because they aren't really in our physical realm in a way.
I don't really know.
Because I just...
It really baffles me.
And then also when the government starts releasing stuff and then you got a guy going around like, well, you know, I've been cleared by the CIA or whatever to be able to talk about this and all this stuff.
You've been cleared to talk about stuff that you're supposed to not be talking about?
That's weird.
And then I'm like, is it propaganda?
Is it like, I don't know, man.
It's a tough one.
Because I grew up, I love UFOs.
I grew up Project Blue Book, watched the series.
Loved aliens.
Used to sit in my backyard looking up at the stars, hoping that I would see an alien one day.
And then I did see, not aliens, but I saw UIPs or UFOs.
joe rogan
Where were you when you saw that?
reggie watts
I was in Montana.
I was probably 17. We were camping at night, and then we decided to climb a butte in the middle of the night, so we were crossing a big cattle field.
And then I was walking and two friends were ahead of me.
And I kind of just looked to my right, stopped, looked to my right, and I just saw these in the distance.
I don't know how far it would be, but they looked about that big from my perspective.
Down a ways and there were three of them.
It wasn't one object because they would change distance from each other and change elevation a little bit.
Really low.
And then at some point sometimes it would just stop and you'd see a little beam turn on, turn off, and then it would start to move again.
It was really, really weird.
I had two friends I kept looking at.
I was like, come here.
Because I didn't want to not look and then look back and then they weren't there type of movie shit.
But my friends came back and they looked down and they described...
I didn't even tell them what I was looking at.
I said, tell me what you see.
They described what I was seeing.
I don't know what it was.
But I've heard other stories about three lights.
Same kind of shit.
When I'm watching UFO, whatever documentary stuff, it gives me chills because I'm like...
I've seen that.
Whatever that is, I've seen that.
So, I don't know.
I don't know, man.
It's like I go, my mind goes all over the place, but there's no definitive.
No, because no one's, you know, it's like unless they land and you're like, oh, there it is, or we see not the Mexico City alien.
Obviously a joke.
Not a joke, but whatever it was.
A hoax.
A hoax.
Unless we get something where it's like, oh shit, what is that?
What is this metal?
Or the scientists saying that they found a piece of an alien ship at the bottom of the ocean because it's material they can't identify.
I don't know.
It's weird.
I'm excited about it.
I think it's kind of interesting.
And I'm hopeful, but it's almost like the more information that gets released, the more I'm like, I don't know what to think.
joe rogan
I'm exactly where you are.
But I think more than likely that a lot of what we're seeing, a lot of these people are seeing, is some sort of top secret probe.
It's some sort of super sophisticated propulsion system that doesn't rely on a combustion engine.
Some completely new style of propulsion system that they've been working on.
True.
They've been at least theorizing these things.
And the possibility that someone has come up with something in a drone form that they can pilot like that makes the most sense to me because they keep spotting these things in areas where the military practices.
They keep spotting these things off the coast of San Diego, off the East Coast where they have these restricted areas.
That's where they're seeing these things.
Like, it just makes sense that that would be where they would practice these things.
reggie watts
But what's weird about it is that, you know, like, there was that famous UFO crossing incident over the northern, all the states of going from, I think, Seattle or Washington all the way to Idaho, Montana, North Dakota.
They were chasing the squadron of unidentified flying objects in the 50s.
joe rogan
The 50s.
reggie watts
50s.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
So that's the You do hear about sightings even in the 1800s, 1700s.
That's the weird thing.
That's the thing where I'm like, well, if it's true.
But in the 50s, there's shots of it.
People took photographs of these squadron of glowing...
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
Discs, and they were going so fast that jets couldn't keep up with them, so they had to scramble jets at the next base.
Our baseball team are called the Voyagers, based off of that incident.
unidentified
Really?
reggie watts
Yeah.
I mean, in Great Falls.
I don't know.
That's the weird thing about it.
I mean, I agree with you.
I think there is some kind of propulsion system that is able to change on a dime and doesn't necessarily get affected in the way that normal.
joe rogan
So there's probably multiple things going on simultaneously.
reggie watts
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I do not doubt that we've been visited.
If there is intelligent life that's capable of coming here from somewhere else, of course they would.
reggie watts
I mean, well...
joe rogan
That's the place you would go.
reggie watts
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it seems like, in a way, I just feel like the Earth is kind of like a terrarium.
It's like, they're just like, let's do a pilot program here, throw some seeds down there, monitor it, see how it goes.
joe rogan
Certainly could be.
reggie watts
I mean, some people think the moon is a spaceship.
joe rogan
Well, those people might be dumb.
reggie watts
Well, but there is some.
Are you familiar with the Y-Files?
You know that guy?
joe rogan
Y-Files.
reggie watts
The Y-Files.
So it's a YouTube channel.
This dude, he basically just recounts stories of paranormal, whether it's occult stuff, spiritual stuff, not spiritual stuff, but just like ghost stuff.
Or aliens.
Or interdimensional travel, that type of stuff.
And then he talks, he tells the story and kind of reenacts it.
And then at the end, he kind of debunks it.
Or tries to debunk it.
But he seems to be pretty impartial.
But he was talking about how when they landed on the moon, they did...
They basically did seismic tests and there was a reverberance that would indicate that it's possibly hollow.
And it does sound like a far-fetched thing, but there is a lot of...
There's some kind of interesting things there.
Again, I'm not a firm believer in it, but if you think of it in a fantastical way, like what if that was a spaceship that just like...
They just stopped that spaceship, did some experiments on Earth or whatever, and just left the spaceship there.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm dumb.
Hi, guys.
How are you?
joe rogan
That one seems so stupid.
reggie watts
I know, but it's fun to look into.
It'll be cool to see what your crowd thinks.
joe rogan
What kind of undertaking would be involved in creating a spaceship that's, what is it, a quarter of the size of the Earth?
reggie watts
Something.
It might be smaller than that, maybe.
Maybe?
No, it's got to be smaller than that.
joe rogan
It's one-sixth-earth gravity.
reggie watts
Okay.
What's the size of it?
Does that tell us the size?
unidentified
I don't know.
reggie watts
How small is it?
Y'all know how big the moon is over there?
Y'all ever...
What would you guess?
I'm guessing it's a tenth.
joe rogan
One-tenth?
Yeah.
reggie watts
That's what I'm guessing.
It's a lot smaller.
Oh, here we go.
No, you were right.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
reggie watts
One quarter.
joe rogan
One quarter of the size of Earth.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
reggie watts
80 times less than that.
Yeah, so...
joe rogan
It's pretty big.
reggie watts
Yeah, if you look up Hollow Moon, just to see.
joe rogan
Is it next to Hollow Earth?
reggie watts
No, I hope not.
I hope not.
That's, that's, we gotta, they gotta get off that.
joe rogan
Hollow moon.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Spaceship moon.
Pseudoscientific hypothesis proposes Earth moon is either wholly hollow or otherwise.
jamie vernon
Mechanic story from August.
So this, this has got all of the details.
unidentified
Hmm.
Oh.
joe rogan
We break down how misinterpreted science and the Apollo moon missions give rise to a bizarre belief.
reggie watts
Well then maybe that's, yeah, that's all some bullshit.
Maybe.
I mean, probably.
joe rogan
Seems like it's bullshit.
reggie watts
I mean, I felt that way, too.
I just thought it was interesting.
joe rogan
It's a Death Star.
reggie watts
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
I'm like, that would be hilarious if it was.
That's all I'm saying.
Like, I think it would be.
Because my thing is, like, I'm kind of like a big simulation theory guy or whatever.
Some version of a simulation that we're existing in.
joe rogan
There's series going off.
reggie watts
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, Siri.
joe rogan
Siri thinks you're not asking her questions.
reggie watts
What the hell?
Don't do that.
It's the CIA. But, yeah, it's like, you know, it's like, I'm like, well.
joe rogan
Scientists said the moon rings like a bell.
reggie watts
Right.
joe rogan
That's because the vibrations to the moon's seismic events, known as moonquakes, last much longer than those here on Earth.
Hmm.
Conspiracy theorists once believed the moon was hollow, though that's more likely the moon being made out of cheese.
reggie watts
That I believe.
That's the one thing I do believe.
joe rogan
More likely than the moon being made out of cheese.
Still seems pretty ridiculous.
Surprisingly, it's not based on folklore.
Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
NASA researchers sought to learn more about the composition of the moon during the Apollo 12 mission.
astronaut Pete Conrad and Alan Bean set up a passive seismic experiment at the landing site as part of a larger set of moon experiments known as the Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package.
Once the astronauts were safely back in the command module, they crashed the lunar module into the Earth's surface.
The impact was the equivalent of detonating a one-ton TNT and triggered what's known as a moonquake, the first human-made moonquake to take place.
The PSC's size-o-meters recorded the resulting vibrations, which were much bigger and lasted much longer than the scientists had anticipated.
They were far different from the earthquake vibrations we're familiar with.
I'm sure it's just the composition of the moon is different.
reggie watts
Yeah, totally.
And then there's just like all like structures on the moon and then like the Japanese when they, or not Chinese that landed on the backside of the moon, like.
joe rogan
See, there it goes.
The moon is only 60% as dense as Earth.
That doesn't mean the moon is hollow, but as with many things, like the moon landing itself, conspiracy theorists perpetuated that misinformation.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
I mean...
joe rogan
That's my favorite conspiracy theory.
reggie watts
I mean, yes.
Of course.
joe rogan
My favorite conspiracy theory is we didn't go to the moon.
That's my favorite.
reggie watts
I hate that one.
unidentified
I love it.
reggie watts
I just think it's so annoying.
joe rogan
Why is it annoying?
reggie watts
Because it's too many people involved.
unidentified
Is it?
reggie watts
Oh, way too many people involved.
Like, the people that were, like, there during the launch.
Also, the fact that we've used the same way that we got to the moon with the things that we were landing on the moon now.
joe rogan
Right.
But the difference is taking a human biological organism and having to go into deep space and go through the Van Allen radiation belts and come back.
And also the photographs that were perfectly made with these Hasselback cameras.
reggie watts
But that was part of the...
They did make films.
They did stage moon landings for...
NASA internally did that for...
I forget what the reason they did it for.
joe rogan
Propaganda.
reggie watts
Well, it wasn't propaganda.
For more shit.
A lot of people.
But they were like, I don't know.
I'm pretty sure when we go up there, we're going to find the modules, the leftover modules.
If we don't, then fine.
I'll eat.
You know what I'll do?
I'll drink a full thing of your energy drink.
joe rogan
No, you don't have to do that.
But isn't it interesting, though, that that's one thing that you're kind of not open-minded about?
reggie watts
Because it's just like, it's too many people involved.
Like, you would have heard...
joe rogan
First of all, it's 1969. It's a different world.
Nixon's president.
Everyone's full of shit.
They lie about everything.
We're in the middle of the Cold War.
reggie watts
But why would scientists and engineers lie?
joe rogan
Well, if they were supposed to be doing it so that they could beat Russia in the moon missions.
And there was some sort of a patriotic...
reggie watts
Sure.
joe rogan
Element to it.
reggie watts
I mean, that's a motive.
The fact that we haven't been back since 1972. Well, they said that a lot of that was because they lost interest because it was just a competition.
We won it and then we were done.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
No interest.
joe rogan
It's been 50 years.
Welcome back.
Apollo programs have employed 400,000 people and required the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities.
Sure.
But if it's compartmentalized.
So if they are going into space and they're just not going into deep space, they're going, you know, just like space shuttle space, which is not past the magnetosphere, the Van Allen radiation belts, out into deep space.
It's exciting.
reggie watts
I like it.
I'll entertain it a little bit, but it will be pretty...
I just have a feeling that it probably...
joe rogan
You sound a little closed-minded.
reggie watts
I'm a little closed-minded, but I will say this.
I'll leave an 8% chance...
No, I'll leave a 5% chance that I'm wrong.
joe rogan
Interesting.
reggie watts
But that's healthy.
5%?
joe rogan
Sort of.
reggie watts
It's not absolute.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We'll find out.
We'll find out if people ever actually do go.
reggie watts
I know.
Well, we're supposed to, right?
The next three years.
unidentified
Four years.
joe rogan
They've always been supposed to.
George H. Herbert Walker Bush said we were going to go to the moon.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
W said we were going to go to the moon.
W. I think Obama said we were going to go to the moon.
reggie watts
Yeah, I guess every president has to.
But I mean, my friend's friend who has an architecture company just got the...
Won the bid for designing the Lunar Colony modules.
So they're starting design on this.
joe rogan
Maybe in your lifetime people live on the moon and then Mars.
reggie watts
Yeah, I don't care about Mars so much, but the moon makes sense.
joe rogan
But that's a lonely place.
Scroll back, make that smaller so I can see the Earth in the background.
That's what's wild.
Imagine being somewhere looking down on the Earth.
reggie watts
I mean, if anybody doesn't go there and go like, wow, this planet's cool and we should save it.
I don't know what will.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Right.
That's the perspective, right?
When you're outside of Earth to look back.
That's what all the astronauts talk about.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
They go to the space station and then come back down.
It's like this insanely profound recognition that this is this very delicate, fragile thing that we're all a part of.
And then when you're in it and you're concentrating on boundaries and borders and disputes over resources and all that shit, you lose perspective of the magic of what you are on this organic spaceship that's hurling through the cosmos.
reggie watts
It's so trippy to me.
I always trip out with my friends where I'm like, you know, we're talking about being, like even us just talking about being on the planet.
We are on the planet, but we're talking about being on the planet that we are on, which is just insane to me.
I love those weird contradictions.
Well, I guess they're not contradictions, but just things to notice.
You can never talk about consciousness without realizing that you are the thing you're talking about.
Which is crazy.
joe rogan
It is crazy.
reggie watts
It makes you mad if you...
joe rogan
It can make you cuckoo.
reggie watts
It can make you cuckoo.
For Cocoa Puffs?
joe rogan
No.
reggie watts
No.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Just crazy.
Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs is sugar addiction.
reggie watts
Yeah, you're right.
That's different.
joe rogan
That stuff's delicious.
reggie watts
I mean...
joe rogan
Well, they've tried to do a bunch of sugar-free versions.
It just doesn't cut the mustard.
reggie watts
Monk fruit's pretty good, though, man.
joe rogan
What's that?
reggie watts
Monk fruit's a sweet, yeah.
I like that stuff.
joe rogan
But do they make Cocoa Puffs with monk fruit?
reggie watts
No, they're not going to.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Like, if you get Captain Crunch, part of the thing is you're getting...
reggie watts
Yeah, you're getting cracked out.
joe rogan
You're getting cracked out.
You're enjoying this absolutely delicious, the milk gets delicious.
reggie watts
In the moment, it's so good.
joe rogan
Captain Crunch is the shit.
reggie watts
I mean, destroy the roof of your mouth.
joe rogan
Peanut butter Captain Crunch?
reggie watts
Oh, that I hated.
It's so good.
I hated how good it was.
I just was like, reaching in the bag, just like, Count Chocula.
joe rogan
Remember Count Chocula?
reggie watts
All of it.
Cookie Crisp?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bro, they just poison kids.
reggie watts
I know!
joe rogan
They just poison kids for decades.
reggie watts
They're like, we can get away with it until they find out.
But until then, moolah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, just get people to enjoy it.
And if they enjoy it, keep selling it.
Like, fuck the health consequences.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
I know.
I'm always about like, I want people to, I don't want people to lose all the stuff that they love just because it's healthy.
It's like, I just want them to realize they can have all the stuff that they love, but it can be a healthy version of it.
joe rogan
Well, sort of.
You're not going to get a healthy version of an ice cream sundae.
I love an ice cream sundae.
reggie watts
I've gotten some monk fruit sweetened chocolate syrup that tastes pretty good.
joe rogan
You sound like a fucking hippie.
reggie watts
It's pretty good.
joe rogan
Like a dirty hippie that's lying to me about how vegan people talk about how good their fake chicken is.
reggie watts
No.
That I don't agree with.
That I don't agree with.
Although I will say corn is very delicious.
That Q-U-O-R-N. It's made from mushrooms, like mycelium or whatever.
joe rogan
I've never heard of that.
reggie watts
Yeah, corn.
We were selling it.
I worked in a health food store in the 90s and we would sell a ton of it.
And they make chicken cutlets and stuff like that.
And you just put them in the oven.
joe rogan
So it's a mushroom.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's like portobello, which is delicious.
reggie watts
Kind of, yeah, but it's made from mushrooms, so it's not like a mushroom, but it's like mushroom protein or something like that.
joe rogan
Portobello mushrooms are fucking delicious.
reggie watts
I love those.
Portobello burger?
joe rogan
They're so good.
reggie watts
Kidding?
joe rogan
Oh, so good.
reggie watts
So good.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you don't have to lie to yourself that you're eating some impossible bullshit.
reggie watts
I know.
That's the one thing I'm not into.
I used to be into, I mean, I still kind of am into like simulation meats.
You know, there's something kind of fun about it.
But in general, when you look at the ingredients, it's like 30 ingredients that make up this thing.
It's like, just eat something natural.
Or synthesized meat, which I'm invited to a dinner for the first time.
They're using synthesized chicken.
They're making a bunch of meals from, not synthesized, but bioreacted chicken, which I'm very excited about.
joe rogan
So that's chicken that was made in a laboratory.
reggie watts
Yeah, a bi-reactor.
joe rogan
So it's actually chicken tissue that they've recreated.
reggie watts
Yeah, they take cell culture.
They only need one sample of it, and then they can just perpetuate it.
And then they grow it into substrates.
They grow it among substrates and then create this chicken meat.
Tyson's chicken is heavily invested in Upside Foods that makes this chicken.
They're the only, I think, the only company that's ready to go to market.
joe rogan
Interesting.
reggie watts
And they just got FDA approval.
joe rogan
I wonder how bad that stuff is for you.
reggie watts
I don't know.
We're going to have to find out.
But it's just chicken cells.
joe rogan
Right.
reggie watts
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen when they do 3D printing steaks.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've heard of that.
joe rogan
3D printing with fat as well.
They put the fat in there and marble it and it kind of looks like a steak.
reggie watts
I would love to try that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
I'm into that.
That I'm into.
I asked Moby once, I was like, if they made synthesized meat or bioreacted meat, would you eat it?
And he was like, yes.
He was like, immediately.
And I was like, get it, because it promotes another alternative to actually just raising a bunch of cattle and all the resources it takes.
And also ethical as well.
But I don't know.
I like that kind of stuff, because I like to pretend I'm an astronaut.
joe rogan
Eat paste.
reggie watts
Yeah, if I could get all my calories and a little paste thing, Believe me, I'd be the first one to do it.
And it was healthy, and it actually worked.
I'm down.
joe rogan
But you wouldn't, because you like food.
reggie watts
I do love food.
joe rogan
Don't you like sitting down for a meal?
It's the smells and the way it looks, and the chef prepared it.
reggie watts
Yeah, but sometimes my addiction to food, it actually does the opposite.
Like, yes, 100%.
I love it, but sometimes...
joe rogan
Explain your addiction to food.
What do you mean by that?
reggie watts
Well, I mean, I have like...
I don't know.
It's like I've been...
My weight fluctuates all throughout my life.
I've been probably a chubbier guy most of my life.
But I never liked it.
And there would be moments where I'd go like, fuck this.
I'm changing my diet.
I'm going to exercise.
Once in high school, I got really thin in high school.
I got really in shape in my later 20s.
And then I did it again when I first moved to LA. But sometimes my food...
I just go on these binges.
I'll be late at night watching a movie and I'm like, You know what?
I didn't eat dinner, so fuck it.
Oh, there's that new burger place.
I'll just get Uber Eats.
Oh, they have two burgers that are really interesting.
Well, maybe I'll get both of them and I'll just save half or whatever.
And then I just eat all the burgers and I feel terrible.
And that will happen a lot.
Or I'll go, oh, this is a healthy cereal, so I'm gonna have this healthy cereal and I'm gonna use flax milk and all this stuff.
And then I eat the entire box of cereal.
I can't, I just, once I get going, it's hard for me to stop.
And then when I like, do you wanna go out to dinner?
But I'm trying to watch my diet.
I'm like, I don't know how to go out to dinner and not order, you know, like I get this weird anxiety about it.
But now that I'm doing the keto thing, it's much easier.
Cause I can go like, I can have cheese.
joe rogan
How long you been doing the keto thing?
reggie watts
For like three months or something like that.
joe rogan
Have you lost weight?
reggie watts
I have lost a little weight, yeah.
I've lost a little weight, and I haven't really been exercising that hard, just like getting like 7,000 steps a day or whatever.
But a lot of it's diet, and it's like once you get that sugar out of it, and I've also been taking this stuff called, I think it's like called Super Gut or something like that, and it's like this powder that you add to a drink, and it aids your gut biome, whatever.
I think the combination of the two things that I'm doing, I'm feeling like I'm a little bit more in control of my appetite, and that feels good.
Because then if I do go off one day a week, I feel fine.
I was at Sarah's party, and she had some sick pizza, and I was like, ah, screw it, I'm just going to go for it.
But I also danced for two and a half hours as well, so I felt like it all balanced out.
joe rogan
Do you find that when you're on keto, your appetite is much more suppressed because your body is able to burn fat?
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
Way.
joe rogan
Big difference.
reggie watts
Also, you have to eat so much protein to supplement the loss of other things.
joe rogan
That is high satiety.
Yeah.
reggie watts
So in the morning, I usually do.
I have a lot of really great whey proteins that I take with me.
I even have a hit of it that I carry with me.
If I get hungry, instead of going, I'm going to get the thing, I'll just pour some protein.
That usually makes me feel full.
joe rogan
That's cool.
reggie watts
And fiber powder, that kind of stuff.
I don't know.
I have a problem.
It's the only thing in my life that I feel like...
That and scrolling.
I have an addiction to news.
I'll just be like, news, news, news, news, news, news.
joe rogan
I'm trying to wean myself off of that addiction.
That addiction is a real problem.
reggie watts
I need it gone.
I really do.
If I checked in maybe once a week, I'd be fine.
joe rogan
My new phone doesn't have any apps on it.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
Oh, sick.
joe rogan
Yeah, so my idea is to keep my old number and use it for social media when I need to do stuff.
And then with the new one, nothing on it.
reggie watts
That's a cool idea.
I know, it's tough.
I mean, I rely on social media for posting.
joe rogan
Right, but the problem is if it's on the phone that I use all the time, I'm just too tempted.
reggie watts
Yeah, I get it.
Yeah, it's tough.
Those two things.
And then I'm addicted to driving, but that's an okay addiction.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good addiction.
reggie watts
That I love.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the thing, is finding something that's addictive that's actually beneficial in some way, rewarding in some way.
Not a food.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
The food thing.
Well, food is, it's reward.
That's the problem is.
It's very pleasurable.
reggie watts
Yes, I know.
I mean, like, I don't mind for holiday, like Thanksgiving, like, I'll get excited about, oh, I'm just going to have some turkey and some freaking gravy and some cranberry sauce, whatever.
I can get excited about a holiday meal, but my everyday day-to-day meal stuff, that's the part where I'm like, I need to get into a mindset where I know this is going to be great for me and I'm going to feel good and I made a good decision.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
You know, and that can be really hard when you get that sugar talking to you and all those carbs.
I mean, last night I got a shark-a-tree board for, you know, at night because I didn't eat dinner.
I had like the cheese and the meat and there was like this basket of bread and I just smelled it and I just took one bite of it and I was like, okay...
That's it.
But I felt okay about it.
I didn't feel like I was being an asshole to myself or was playing games.
But I was like, okay, yeah, okay, a little bit.
Great.
Back to the other stuff.
And I made it.
Every time I do that, I'm like, oh, you made it.
Good job, man.
It's like a game that I have to play with myself.
joe rogan
Well, you literally are what you eat.
If you eat a lot of shit, your body turns into shit.
reggie watts
Yeah, especially as you get older.
I mean, you're in your 40s now.
I'm getting there.
joe rogan
I'm in my 50s.
reggie watts
I'm in my 50s.
I'm in my 51. But yeah, and I just noticed that shit.
The inflammation thing is really the biggest thing for me.
I'm like, that's the reward if there's anything.
Because getting up in the morning and going, uh...
Or sitting down and going...
joe rogan
So many people are inflamed.
So many people are walking around and they just don't understand that a lot of it is your food.
I mean, the American diet is just so poor.
There's some insane number like 40% of us are obese.
reggie watts
Maybe more.
It's crazy.
The processed foods, the fucking sedentary lifestyle.
joe rogan
I love when you see those old pictures from like 1970s.
reggie watts
I know.
Everyone looked hot.
Everyone looked great.
joe rogan
They're eating normal food.
They're eating actual food.
And then you go to 2023 and everyone looks like they're gonna have a heart attack at any moment.
reggie watts
I was like DuPont got involved in our food and then it was all over.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people got involved in our food.
And, you know, it's also shelf life.
There's a lot of factors.
You know, it's like if you want really healthy food, it doesn't last long.
reggie watts
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got to pick it and eat it.
joe rogan
Raw milk and, you know, real healthy food that it's biological.
It's going to deteriorate.
Like if you want vegetables, you have to eat them real soon after you pick them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you want meat, you have to cook it pretty quick.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or freeze it.
reggie watts
Or freeze it.
unidentified
Yeah.
reggie watts
Wow.
joe rogan
It's good, though, that you're on the keto thing.
That's great.
reggie watts
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
A lot of people have done that, and it's made a giant change in their life.
reggie watts
It really has.
And I try not to be hyper-strict about it.
I'm not like, I'm keto.
It's more like, I'm keto-ish.
Yeah, that's good.
Because it lightens it a little bit.
Because nothing I hate worse than fads.
Sure.
I'm on the 30-60 diet, or I'm on the blah, blah, blah diet.
joe rogan
Settle down, buddy.
reggie watts
Just eat whole.
Good foods with no processed sugars and all that shit and just enjoy yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, so we've sorted out one aspect of your life, right?
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now we've got to sort out the exercise.
reggie watts
Yeah, my knees.
That's why I come here.
I come here to get my diet on track.
That's the only reason why I come here.
That and physical well-being.
Those are the two things.
joe rogan
Well, we can guide you in the right direction.
I certainly know people that can.
There's some online stuff if you don't want to hire a trainer, too.
There's plenty of online stuff that you can get.
reggie watts
There is, but I really love a trainer.
I love going like four days a week, going to a trainer and getting that relationship going, and they're like obsessed with goals, and I'm like, yeah, we're both in line with this and the improvements.
I love it.
Because I like going into a gym, because it's weird.
As many trainers as I've worked with, when I walk into a gym, I get optioned.
Like, option paralysis.
I'm like, what do I start, should I do shoulders?
Should I do shoulders?
No, I'm gonna do legs.
Maybe I'll do a little bit of each.
No, no, I'll do, it's crazy.
I can't put together a program for myself.
joe rogan
But you have someone put it together for you.
There's plenty of things online.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
There's apps that do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just follow an app.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
There's so many of those, Reggie.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
You're a technologically advanced guy.
reggie watts
I know, but I'm terrible.
I'm the worst.
It's just like it's so nice.
You walk in, it's like, okay, we're going to do this today.
I'm like, great.
There's a social aspect of it that I kind of...
I kind of enjoy it.
joe rogan
No, that is cool.
And then taking all the weight off of you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone else.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
An actual professional.
reggie watts
And you're going to a place and someone who gets results and all stuff like that.
I used Kumail Nanjiani's trainer for a little while, but I wasn't really...
I wasn't...
I don't know.
joe rogan
You got to use his pharmacist, too.
reggie watts
Oh, my God.
unidentified
I know.
reggie watts
I know.
That was so funny.
Yeah, I know.
Wink, wink.
Love you, Kumail.
joe rogan
He's a nice guy.
reggie watts
No, he's...
joe rogan
But, you know, nothing wrong with taking hormones.
reggie watts
I mean, I took a little bit of HGH when I was first training.
It was, like, shooting it, but then, like, the shooting it up thing was, like...
joe rogan
Shooting it up?
Like, into fat?
reggie watts
Well, injecting, yeah, into the fat, into stomach fat, but, like...
It made me feel so crazy every time I did it.
I was like, I can't do this anymore.
But I was doing fine with that.
Again, I'm not looking to get shredded, ripped, Hollywood, Marvel.
joe rogan
You want to be fit.
reggie watts
I just want to be fit.
That's it.
Fortunately, I think I have a very good cardiovascular system, which is the most important part.
It's your central pumping lifeline.
Yeah, I know I can do it.
I can get back there again.
I just want to be in swimming trunks and be really, really proud.
And I know that I've learned how to be happy with my body.
joe rogan
Do you know how many people do that?
They get fit so that they can look good on vacation?
reggie watts
Yeah.
Oh, I know.
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
Here I am on vacation.
Like this event that you've prepped for.
reggie watts
That's a little weird.
It's weird.
I don't mind the metric of like...
We're all going to go swimming.
And then everyone takes off their clothes and I'm just like, I'm totally comfortable with it.
Right.
joe rogan
That's what you want.
reggie watts
That's what I want.
That's all I want.
I just want to be...
joe rogan
You want to look good naked.
reggie watts
Because I've been there.
That's the problem.
It's like when you've been there a few times...
That's the thing, because I'm just like, I know I can get there.
And my friends are like, but you look beautiful.
And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I appreciate you saying that.
And I'm working on feeling happy in my skin.
But when I take a step down a flight of stairs, there's some extra jiggling going around.
I don't like that feeling.
And so I got to do something.
joe rogan
It's fixable, Reggie.
reggie watts
It is fixable.
joe rogan
This is a very fixable problem.
This isn't like the war in the Middle East.
reggie watts
No, no.
joe rogan
This is a very fixable problem.
reggie watts
Yeah, war in the Middle East or people that love heroin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That seems like a bigger problem.
reggie watts
It's a little bit of a bigger problem.
joe rogan
But that's a problem that could be mitigated with some drugs, too.
reggie watts
True.
joe rogan
You know, that's the really sad thing about the lack of psychedelic therapy being legal in this country.
reggie watts
Yes.
joe rogan
Is that that's one of the best ways to fix it.
There's so many people that have fixed a lot of those problems, including friends of mine, particularly with Ibogaine, which I have no experience in.
reggie watts
Oh, yeah.
I've heard about that, yeah.
joe rogan
Many, many.
And there's actually a physical mechanism that happens in your mind that stops the addiction in its tracks.
As you down the last drops of Kratom and Kava.
reggie watts
Kratom and Kava, feel free!
They had a lawsuit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
reggie watts
Or they're in a lawsuit.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some shit going on with them.
reggie watts
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know what's going on with that.
reggie watts
I don't know what's going on.
joe rogan
I haven't looked at it enough.
But it's also like the guy who was doing it drank ten of them a day.
reggie watts
I know.
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
That's everything.
That's like alcohol.
Are you going to sue Domino's because you order 10 pizzas a day and you have a fucking heart attack?
reggie watts
Or sue alcohol for your problems.
I get it.
Regulation is good, but it's like any of these things.
joe rogan
I don't like regulations.
Some of them are wrong.
reggie watts
Well, for quality regulations, those are important.
joe rogan
Well, I like home construction regulations.
reggie watts
Or knowing that this actually is Kratom.
joe rogan
Car regulations, safety regulations.
reggie watts
100%.
joe rogan
I believe in that kind of regulation.
But I do not believe in regulating human beings' choices of things that they have been consuming for thousands of years.
And to have people that have no experience in those things be the ones who regulate them is infuriating to me.
reggie watts
I agree with that.
joe rogan
Because all the people that tell you that psychedelics should be illegal are not doing psychedelics.
That's like people saying, you don't need exercise and you're a sedentary slob.
Shut up.
All you need is a balanced diet.
Bitch, you don't have a balanced diet.
So shut the fuck up.
I had a fat doctor tell me once, you get all the vitamins you eat from your food and I look right at his stomach.
reggie watts
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I'm like, look at you, bro.
You little spindly little arms and your gut.
You can't even open up a jar of mayonnaise.
Shut the fuck up.
reggie watts
Because it's like, you gotta lead by example, man.
Talk the talk, walk the walk.
And that's what it's about.
And I'm thankful for like, you know Rick Doblin?
Oh yeah, you know Rick Doblin.
Yeah, we had that little exchange.
joe rogan
Yeah, we hung out together.
reggie watts
That's so cool, man.
joe rogan
He's the best.
reggie watts
Cool dude, right?
joe rogan
He's so important.
Shout out to Rick Doblin and MAPS. They're so important.
They're so important for elevating the discourse of psychedelics and highlighting the importance and all the benefits and the fact that they're doing MDMA therapy for soldiers and people with PTSD and finding some really excellent results from that.
That, to me, is so promising and so important.
And one of the things that you're seeing now that I think is really incredible is people on the right, right-wing people, that recognize because they have friends that are in the military that have come back and have done, whether it's psilocybin studies or psilocybin therapy or ayahuasca, and they've had...
Amazing results and it's helped them tremendously.
reggie watts
Yes.
joe rogan
That is huge and that's so that's it's changing the way people think about these things where they thought it was just for losers who want to escape reality and you're just a drug addict and now they're realizing oh Maybe I was a little closed-minded and you know you're talking to fucking Navy SEALs that have done it It's helped them tremendously like oh I respect those people I'm changing my perspective.
reggie watts
A hundred percent.
I mean, it's like psychedelics have been part of our culture since human consciousness existence forever.
And there's a reason for it.
And the reason for it is because it gets us out.
To me, it's about creating options.
It's like when you end literally sometimes neural pathways, new neurons or new neural pathways are generated.
When you're trapped in either a trauma or something, you're essentially in a really tight loop that you can't see any other way of existing.
When you have a psychedelic, it's like you zoom out and you're like, oh shit, there's all this other terrain.
And then you can start to heal.
But I think when I went to the MAPS convention, me and Eric Andre did MAPS show with Flaming Lips.
But I also spoke on a panel about psychedelics in film.
And I'm just like such a huge proponent of it and the fact that it's being taken seriously and they're doing peer-reviewed papers and research and there's more research being done on it.
I love it.
I think it's one of the things that could possibly save humanity.
joe rogan
Yes!
It sounds so crazy to say, but I think you're right.
And I agree 100%.
I think perspective-enhancing things can save people's lives, and they can change the way people view the world, which could help us all.
reggie watts
Yeah.
Please.
Come on, guys.
Let's beam ourselves up.
joe rogan
And again, not for everybody.
Not for people with severe mental issues, schizophrenia, people that have a hard time with regular reality.
No, they shouldn't be on it.
That's just like everything.
There's some people that shouldn't drink.
There's some people that shouldn't smoke weed.
Smoking weed is one thing that I talk about all the time.
There are people that have, like, real problems when they smoke too much weed and they go crazy.
And I've seen it.
I know people.
reggie watts
I've seen it, too.
And it's like I've had to learn how to be a lot more compassionate about it because sometimes I'm like, no, they're just faking it.
And I'm like, no, that's real and you have to have much more.
joe rogan
No.
The biological variability amongst human beings is very wide.
And there's some people that just cannot handle a lot of different things.
And it's not their fault.
It's literally who they are.
And we're all different.
reggie watts
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just want us to get some perspective and kind of realize like, oh man, we could be doing some pretty amazing shit at all times if we want to.
We don't have to always be like...
Oh, this sucks.
I'm pessimistic all the time.
You're like, come on, man.
It's like, you got all this time.
I swear to God, when you get older, you're going to think back about all that time that you were wasting.
joe rogan
Yeah, just complaining.
Feeling like shit.
reggie watts
Complaining.
It's like, man, get into the solution, man.
The solutions are fun.
joe rogan
Get into the solution.
That's your next book.
reggie watts
Yeah, that's Reggie Watts, Getting into the Solution.
But I'll be in a black turtleneck.
joe rogan
How long are you in town for?
reggie watts
I'm here.
I'm doing your club this weekend.
So I'm doing five dates at your club.
Well, I mean, when this comes out, maybe that doesn't.
But yeah, so I'm doing five dates.
joe rogan
Have you been doing clubs a lot?
reggie watts
You mean like formal comedy clubs?
Yeah.
Throughout my career, not as much.
I'd say probably about like 5% of the places.
joe rogan
You're going to love the mothership.
reggie watts
I went that one day.
joe rogan
I know, but I mean to perform.
reggie watts
Oh, perform.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
reggie watts
It's a great place to perform.
I always tell people, I say like, it's the comedy club because it is, but it is a comedy club that if a comedian wanted to design the perfect comedy club, That's the comedy club that you would make.
And that's exactly what it is.
But it's just got the greatest vibe.
I love that there's an independent viewing box for just the comedians, you know, so they can watch the show.
Because my thing is, I hate fucking being backstage.
Chatting's fine, you know, getting to know people is great.
But I also like to watch the show.
joe rogan
Well, the fact that it's attached to the green room was the ultimate.
reggie watts
That's what I love.
joe rogan
When we designed it, and that was a projection room.
And I said, what if we had this as our green room instead of the green room being backstage?
And then you just look down from these balconies.
reggie watts
Love it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
reggie watts
It's so good.
joe rogan
And the projection room was the perfect size.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was perfect.
When we opened it up and we removed all the equipment, it was a beautiful labor of love.
It really was.
And it's so fun to be there now and to have it be received so well by my peers, comedians.
When they come there, I go, my God, this is like you built the place.
reggie watts
Yeah.
joe rogan
You built the place for us.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's for you.
It's for us.
It's for the art form.
I designed it and built it, or had someone help me design it, rather, but built it exactly for comedy.
I didn't build it as a money-making venture.
My goal was to break even.
It'd be great if I could break even in this place.
I just don't want to lose money.
I don't want it to be something I'm pouring money into every year and I'm like, oh my god, I gotta get rid of the club.
I want it to be able to make money so it's not a strain, but also help the community and the fact that we have this very strong program for up-and-coming comedians.
We have two nights of open mic nights.
We have Kill Tony there.
The door people are all comics who audition for that job with their act.
And they all get spots, and they get showcase spots, and they get a chance to perform, and then they get a chance to see some of the best comics in the world come through.
reggie watts
Man, it's dope.
I tell people that all the time.
I'm like, that's where you want to go.
If you go to Austin and you get the chance and you can, you definitely got to go there.
Because, I mean, I just saw some comedy and I was hanging out in the green room, but I was just like, this is dope, man.
This is the type of vibe I would create for a club.
And the sight lines are great.
Everything about it is great for the audience and great for the performer.
joe rogan
Yeah, we spent a lot of time thinking about it.
And then Louis C.K. came in and gave me a lot of great tips.
reggie watts
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He told me to lower the ceiling in the small room, make the stage smaller in the small room, and then the big room, lower the ceiling even further.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And, you know, it used to be a movie theater, so it was like stadium seating.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So we raised the floor.
reggie watts
I see.
joe rogan
And so now it's all one level.
reggie watts
Gotcha.
joe rogan
So that's how we got it to the point where it's the way it is right now.
reggie watts
And that gave you room for the thing downstairs.
joe rogan
Yes, it gave us the tunnel.
It's fucking dope.
reggie watts
That's cool.
Being able to come in through the alley, that's great.
Alley loaded.
I mean, come on, man.
joe rogan
And the place is filled with cops.
It's super secure.
reggie watts
I love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's great.
reggie watts
It's awesome.
Congratulations, man.
unidentified
Thank you.
reggie watts
Seriously, I'm glad.
I can't wait to perform, man.
joe rogan
I can't wait to have you.
Reg, you're the fucking man.
I love you to death.
reggie watts
You are.
I love you too, man.
joe rogan
Thank you.
reggie watts
Thanks for always having me.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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