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Sept. 14, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #2035 - Brian Simpson
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Tell me about the salute.
Hey.
joe rogan
We were just talking about how much fun last night was.
What a goddamn lineup.
brian simpson
Yeah, what a lineup, man.
joe rogan
What a lineup.
brian simpson
Ari, Dan Soder, Derrick Poston.
joe rogan
Ron White.
Ron White.
brian simpson
You.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wild lineup.
brian simpson
Wild.
Yeah, what a fucking...
joe rogan
It's a great place, man.
We were talking about this last night.
The weird thing about that place is even though, like, we talked about it for so long when we were at the Vulcan.
Like, it was almost like one day it's all gonna happen and kind of we hoped it happened.
We're hoping it was going to happen, but you never know until something actually happens.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
Especially out here.
joe rogan
But now that it actually happened and it's been open for like, what have you been open, like six months now or something?
brian simpson
Yeah, since April.
unidentified
Now it seems like it's always been there.
joe rogan
Like the Overlook Hotel or some shit.
brian simpson
I mean, because that building has a lot of, I bet you a lot of dope shit's happened in that building.
joe rogan
100%.
brian simpson
You know?
Just a magical moment, like when Oliver...
Oliver Anthony?
Yeah, Oliver Anthony stopped in.
The crowd, they was not ready for that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Man, it was incredible.
I think people now might know that they can be surprised at the mother shit, but this is the first time it hasn't been a comic.
Right, right, right.
He got brought up by Segura.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I don't know what they were expecting, but man.
joe rogan
I wish I was there for that one.
He had done the podcast that day, but I had too much shit I had to do.
I had to take off.
brian simpson
No, it was incredible.
joe rogan
His story's nuts.
brian simpson
Yeah, and he's a genuine dude.
I mean, I still don't know a lot about him, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Like, you know, but he seems to just really care about people.
joe rogan
He definitely does.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's a real good guy.
And, you know, now the question is, I mean, I think he's going to hold on to it.
But that's the question.
Can he hold on to it?
I believe he will.
I think he'd be fine.
Yeah.
He's, like, fascinating story because he gave his life to God, like, 30 days ago.
And then two weeks later, he has the number one song in the world, like that, that he recorded off of a phone.
One of his songs, the audio that's up online, I mean, it's like a very highly rated song.
It was number one at one point in time.
It's the audio off of a video from his Android phone, so he uploads it to YouTube, and then he cuts the WAV file from the YouTube video and uploaded that as a song.
brian simpson
Wow.
joe rogan
No mixing, no studio.
This little bitch-ass microphone that you have at the bottom of your phone.
It sounds awesome.
Which one song is that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Ain't Got a Dollar.
joe rogan
Ain't Got a Dollar.
Can we play it?
When you listen to it, it kind of adds to it.
It adds to it that it's not produced.
It adds to it that it's not...
brian simpson
It doesn't sound perfect.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's just a dude singing a song.
unidentified
Well, I ain't got a dollar, and I don't need a dime.
I got a little spot in the country where I spend all of my time.
When the sun goes down on this itty bitty town, we can light up the bowl and pass it around.
I ain't got a dollar, but I don't need a dime.
brian simpson
See, that's soul right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't fake that.
brian simpson
And you know what, man?
It sounds like he...
It feels like that in person.
He sounds just like that in person.
His live show was incredible.
Especially when he got to the hit.
Everyone knew the words.
Everyone lost their mind.
Yeah, it was great.
joe rogan
Bro, that video, just on my Instagram, at one point, I don't know what it is now, but it was like 11 million views.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And he's likable for now.
People love him.
unidentified
For now?
joe rogan
Isn't it funny?
We're so cynical.
brian simpson
He's likable for now!
Yeah, because you know how people are fickle.
But you know my theory about it.
I think...
You just gotta be yourself and take what comes with that instead of trying to please everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Because that's what destroys you, trying to be fake so you can get stuff.
joe rogan
He and I had a phone conversation.
Like right when everything was taken off.
We communicated on Instagram.
He sent me his number.
I called him up and he was freaking out.
And I was like, listen, man, you're going to be fine, but you're on a wild ride.
You're on a wild ride.
I'm like, don't sign nothing.
Don't sign nothing.
I go, don't take any money because it's just a loan.
It's not real money.
Like when they offer you money for stuff like a record deal or something, it's basically a loan.
I go, listen, everyone's telling me I got a strike while the iron's hot.
I go, listen, you've got talent.
You don't have to do shit.
Just hang in there, dude.
You got talent.
brian simpson
And you got leverage.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the real deal.
There's like, there's certain people, you see him and you go, oh, you don't have to do shit.
You're fine.
Now the world knows.
Now the world knows.
That guy has fans now, like that.
So he goes from 30 days ago, selling industrial equipment, A pothead.
Smoking way too much pot.
Smoking pot all day.
He said he wasn't getting anything done.
He knew that he was procrastinating and wasting his life away.
And he just broke down.
Gave himself to God.
Started reading scripture every day.
brian simpson
Instead of getting high?
joe rogan
Instead of getting high.
brian simpson
Damn.
joe rogan
Two weeks later, number one song in the world.
brian simpson
I wonder what he would have got if he gave his life to Satan.
joe rogan
He would be that dude with the fucking...
What's that guy's name?
Sam?
What's his name?
unidentified
With the fucking red skirt on on the Grammys?
joe rogan
Dancing around like the devil?
What's his name?
Sam Smith?
That guy.
brian simpson
Oh, you mean Lil Nas X? No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Lil Nas X did it earlier.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
Everyone's doing it now.
joe rogan
Bro, the Lil Nas X one was hilarious.
Because everybody freaked out.
They couldn't believe it.
This is the guy from...
brian simpson
Because he was giving the devil a lap dance?
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy.
Sam Smith.
brian simpson
Oh, Sam Smith.
Okay, is this recent?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was the Grammys.
brian simpson
Man, I don't be keeping up with shit.
joe rogan
Good for you.
Don't keep up.
brian simpson
Yeah, because I'm like...
When it comes to the award shows and shit, I'm like, I'll hear about the stuff that I need to see.
joe rogan
Yeah, you hear about stuff.
You know, we were playing Johnny Thunder last night, I'm Alive, and that's another cool thing about having friends that have great taste.
You came up to me, and you're like, you gotta hear the song.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I was like, okay.
I mean, it hit me with it.
And I was like, oh my god, what is this?
Remember we were trying to figure out what year it was made?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, it's old school.
You know, because that's what I do.
Every now and then, I'll take a song, or I can take a playlist, and I go, make a radio station out of this playlist.
And then I'll hear new shit that I haven't heard.
So that just popped up on me when I was listening to Jimi Hendrix.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that's a good song.
It's so good and it made me sad, knowing that the dude's dead.
I bet he got fucked.
brian simpson
And I didn't like any of his other songs, that made me sad.
I was real disappointed.
joe rogan
I only listened to one of the other songs.
I wasn't into it either.
brian simpson
Because that's the thing.
That's how I know Oliver Anthony is fine.
Because, you know, you heard the hit go viral.
But then you're like, does he have any other good shit?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
All his other shit's good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, it's all good.
And he writes it all himself, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You mean that wave file we just listened to off of a phone?
I think he has a Samsung Galaxy S20. Keep your publishing, man.
I mean, that's amazing.
It's just a three-year-old phone.
And the microphone off the phone records the audio, and then when you listen to that audio, it sounds fucking great.
brian simpson
And you know what else, too?
Whenever I see a real good live musician, I'm always like, fuck these guys.
This is way better than comedy.
You know what I mean?
We can't do with that.
What he did, you can't do that with a joke.
joe rogan
They do a different thing.
brian simpson
Oh, man.
It's a whole different thing.
joe rogan
It's a different thing, and it gets in your soul.
brian simpson
Music, yeah.
It makes you feel something.
It's like a drug.
I guarantee you're not aware of this, but this is a little microcosm of what society is.
Beyonce is on tour right now.
And she has a song where in the middle of the song she goes, everybody on mute, and then you gotta be quiet for four or five seconds until the beat drops again.
So it's like a challenge.
So every city she goes to, she gets to that part of the song and the whole arena has to be quiet for four or five seconds.
And people are fucking it up left and right.
Like thousands of people are on board and there's always two or three motherfuckers that scream, and everyone's like...
You know, it's like those people.
joe rogan
They ruin the moment.
brian simpson
Yeah, those people should be arrested.
Because they're, like, those are people that are always fucking stuff up for everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
It's like, all you gotta do is be quiet.
I think Atlanta got it right.
L.A. fucked it up big time.
joe rogan
Of course they did.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Fenway's gonna fuck it up, it's gonna be L.A. Fenway?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
Well, Fenway.
joe rogan
And if anybody's gonna get it right, it would be Atlanta.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Completely disconnected from show business.
brian simpson
I think there should be a study done on this.
On, like, why Atlanta?
What's specifically about Atlanta?
joe rogan
Well, it's always been known as a fun town.
A lot of great artists have come from Atlanta.
A lot of great music.
Great comedy.
It's a city, but it's not a city that has anything to do with entertainment.
I think when you've got anything to do with entertainment...
brian simpson
No, they film.
It's a big film industry.
joe rogan
Right, but not because it started there.
Because they went there for the taxes.
They went there because it's easier.
Like, Massachusetts has that, too.
What I'm saying about it is, like...
You don't move to Georgia to make it as an actor, even though there's a lot of work there.
You move to Hollywood to make it as it.
So the most, the weirdest, the fucking most fucked up people, the people that are the most needy, they're going to go to L.A.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
They're going to go to L.A.
And it's like ingredients in a soup.
If you got too much hot sauce, that soup gets rough.
You know, sometimes it's just a couple of drops.
You got a big-ass bowl of soup, but if you put some of that fucking Da Bomb stuff, you ever have that stuff?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Ari gave me a bottle of that stuff.
It's ridiculous.
brian simpson
I don't play that.
joe rogan
It's so hot.
It's, like, too crazy.
But my point is, a couple of those people scattered around in a city can ruin the city.
brian simpson
Yep.
joe rogan
And then if you have an industry that's, like, almost...
Entirely filled with crazy people.
Like, acting, when I meet cool actors, it's such a breath of fresh air.
Like, dude, you're so nice.
It's so nice to talk to you.
brian simpson
You know what they always have in common?
They had a rough, rough life before they made it big.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of them do.
A lot of them do.
Some of them are really impressive, and it makes me embarrassed that I sort of dismiss some actors.
I dismiss them as being insane.
brian simpson
That's the safest bet, though.
joe rogan
It is a safe bet.
It's like...
I mean...
brian simpson
Because an actor that is crazy...
If they in your life, it's like they can act so they can lie.
joe rogan
And they're practicing on you.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you would have no idea.
You know, if Daniel Day-Lewis wanted to lie to your face, you wouldn't be able to tell.
joe rogan
Bro, when Amber Heard and Johnny Depp were having arguments that they recorded, I was like, this is peak insanity.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
You have two people who know other people are going to listen to this.
And they're both aware of it, because they were told to record their conversations, so they're both being very performative.
And they're both, like, conning each other.
brian simpson
My favorite part is, don't tell me what it's like to be punished!
Punched!
The way he says punched, I laugh every time in my head.
Don't tell me what it's like to be punched.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy that she was trying to tell everybody that he hit her, but meanwhile she just hit him.
brian simpson
Oh yeah.
I'll never get over that shit.
The way everybody just let her slide after that.
joe rogan
It's weird because if that was a guy that did something and made something about some woman and tried to ruin her life like that, he'd be shunned.
But there's still people that...
Someone tweeted a joke about Amber Heard recently.
Who was talking about that, Jamie?
And they got attacked by...
Who was it?
jamie vernon
Oh, they said that they said a joke that didn't even say her name.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
Because we're talking about her.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Would it get canceled?
joe rogan
No, it was just like, it's almost like she's hired like one of those, not, I'm not accusing her of hiring this, but there are publicity teams you can hire.
So like if people are saying bad things about you, you can hire a team and those people will go after anybody who says anything bad about you and it discourages people.
From talking shit about you.
brian simpson
Oh, but that doesn't work.
joe rogan
It doesn't work, but it...
brian simpson
I guess it lets people know you're not going to be an easy win.
joe rogan
It also makes the argument muddy.
Because if everybody agrees that she's a psycho...
You know then it's like it's just a echo chamber But if you get the narrative to like fuck you you don't know what happened before that recording and you know he's an abuser in this and that and Amber speaks the truth and she's a woman and she was confused and like you know what I mean like there's a lot of people that will chime in and say those things and if you're hiring people if you have like say if you're a politician and something goes down and Everyone's blaming you For some particular crisis your city
has.
If you have a marketing team that has a whole social media aspect to it, a propaganda aspect essentially, you can have a bunch of people arguing for the mayor and he didn't fuck anything up and it's the city council's problem and he warned them in 2014. They can say shit that's not even true.
And especially if they have these weirdo accounts where it's just a bunch of numbers and letters and there's no picture attached to it and you go to them and there's no followers.
You're like, this is wild.
brian simpson
Well, I got a lot of shit for my criticism I ever heard.
But it's like, hey man, I'm not saying she wasn't abused.
She was dating a crazy motherfucker.
They were both crazy.
But from the evidence I heard, she's the only one that sounded like an abuser.
joe rogan
But that's the only evidence we heard.
When those two were together, see, you gotta imagine they were together for how many years and how many drunken fights did they have.
Like, who knows who did what to who, but...
brian simpson
When you're at the point where you...
Like, when the bitch shit on your bed, you gotta get out.
joe rogan
You gotta get out.
unidentified
You gotta get out.
joe rogan
She's a boundary crosser.
brian simpson
Yeah, I got no empathy for you past that point.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
When you gotta start recording your spouse, it's time to go.
Why even try to win that fight, Donald?
Just leave.
joe rogan
I think for people like that, too, because they're so famous, it's probably very difficult to find someone new.
You would imagine very few people could relate to them.
And they're both beautiful movie stars, too.
brian simpson
But you can find somebody that's not going to shit on your bed.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet you can.
brian simpson
That's not a low bar to clear.
joe rogan
It's totally possible.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Yeah, because I don't need...
If you ever show me that you're going to introduce chaos to my life, you're gone.
I don't got time for that.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, you gotta know when.
brian simpson
How many bathrooms we got in the house, bitch?
You're shitting on the bed.
joe rogan
What kind of drugs are they doing?
brian simpson
Oh, man.
Probably the best.
joe rogan
We're gonna shit your bed drugs.
brian simpson
The best drugs, yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
unidentified
I mean, that dude's pals with Keith Richards.
joe rogan
It's just, you know, publicly to see something like that is so...
The thing about it is, though, you know it happens.
You know people are nuts.
You know people have nutty relationships and nutty fights.
But until you really see it and then see a court case about it on television for the whole world to see...
You see, like, some pretty, you know, what looks like lies, you know, a bunch of crazy talk and, you know, just realize, like, these guys were in hell.
You're thinking of them as movie stars and they were in hell.
They were in hell and the most psycho relationship ever.
brian simpson
And I don't even think it was really about the money.
It was like, I beat you.
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think she ruined his career.
I think he was getting kicked off of movies because he was being called an abuser.
And he was trying to say that's not true.
And she actually used to hit me.
Then the recordings come out, and like, you know, I don't, clearly I don't know what the fuck happened, but that guy definitely lost that Pirates of the Caribbean role because of that.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, this is my conclusion from all of it, because you know the documentary came on Netflix too, right, about it?
joe rogan
I didn't see the documentary.
brian simpson
Yeah, is that she is definitely an abuser, and he is probably an abuser.
You know what I mean?
So if you put a gun in my head, I'm Team Johnny, but I don't know.
joe rogan
Also, you gotta think that the way he behaves with her, if she's abusing him, is different than the way he behaves if someone's not abusing him.
brian simpson
But also, man, you've been in a relationship with crazy people.
It's like, they learn how to pull the crazy out of you so they can say...
You know what I mean?
So it's like, if you're with a person like that long enough, they know exactly how to make you act crazy so they can turn around and go, he's lost his mind!
You know, so...
But for people to act like, oh, it's Eve and Steve, I'm like, no, that's not true, bitch.
She is an abuser for sure.
This is the way she was talking.
What you gonna do?
You gonna tell people.
They gonna think you a little bitch.
Like, who talks like that unless they...
joe rogan
Is that what she said to them?
brian simpson
Yeah, like, I don't know the exact words on the recording, but that was the sentiment of like, oh, Johnny, you gonna tell people I hit you?
And if they believe you, you gonna tell them you getting beat up by you little pussy?
Like, that's how she was talking to them.
You got the recording, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I guess so.
joe rogan
She's like, I get it.
At that point, you gotta leave.
brian simpson
Yeah, and I don't have no tape from her of him talking like that.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
So I'm like, you know, I know that's how abusers talk.
That's how somebody would talk of you if they were like just an abusive parent or anybody.
You tell anybody and you know what's gonna happen.
That's how abusers talk.
I don't hear him talk like that.
He sound like an abused man.
She's, you know, and she sound like an abused woman too.
Like she's saying all the things an abused woman would say, but she an actress.
So, like, without the evidence, I'm like, you just killed that role, or...
unidentified
The thing is, she's not really good.
brian simpson
At acting?
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's good.
You know what I'm saying?
But she's not Daniel Day-Lewis good.
brian simpson
Well, no, nobody is.
joe rogan
Right?
So if Daniel Day-Lewis could lie to me, I'd be like, damn, he really is from 1400. He got a fucking time machine, Brian.
I met a guy with a time machine.
brian simpson
Yeah, I couldn't tell.
Daniel Day-Lewis, Meryl Streep, Denzel.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few of them that could just lie right to your face.
I don't think she's one of those.
brian simpson
Nah, she ain't got that.
But she can dig deep.
joe rogan
I'm sure she's got some emotions she could pull out.
brian simpson
Yeah, so I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's also one of the things that's fascinating about acting is we kind of reward crazy people that are actors because they're really good at it.
Like, some of the nuttiest people that I've ever met were amazing actors.
Like, some of them are really good at it, and they're fucking crazy.
brian simpson
I think you've got to be able to tap into, you know, every kind of artist is a controlled crazy.
It's like you're barely holding your crazy to containing it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, you kind of got to be a little nuts just to pursue something like that.
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
And then also, you're in this industry that, at least until recently, rewarded people for being insane.
It was like it's part of the legend of guys like Jack Nicholson, or part of the legend of the greats.
brian simpson
That's also when they had the most fun.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Marlon Brando out of his fucking mind, remember?
He became like 300 pounds, moved to an island.
Remember?
He stopped acting totally.
brian simpson
Well, that's, you know, because now I hear stories, and there's a photographer that took a bunch of pictures in the 90s, You know, Hollywood, underground, L.A. scene where people are in a club having a bunch of fun.
Because he's the only one with a camera.
Nobody's got cameras, no smartphones.
And it was like, that was the last time you could have a great time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Like, and just let loose without having people sign NDAs and all of this.
You can't even throw a party without your lawyer now.
joe rogan
You can't.
brian simpson
Nah, nah.
Nah.
The temptation to clout chase is too high.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about?
I was gonna tell you something.
brian simpson
Amber Heard?
joe rogan
Just after that.
brian simpson
People in Hollywood being crazy?
Shit!
joe rogan
I can't believe I lost it.
jamie vernon
Marlon Brando?
Jack Nicholson?
joe rogan
Marlon Brando.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, they had little gay parties.
Little gay Eyes Wide Shut parties.
joe rogan
I'm sure he had a lot of that.
God damn it, I forget what it was now.
jamie vernon
Marlon Brando fat, 300 pounds.
joe rogan
Marlon Brando, fat, 300 pounds.
brian simpson
Moved to an island.
jamie vernon
And then that was it.
joe rogan
I'm not gonna get it.
brian simpson
It'll come back once you stop thinking about it.
joe rogan
It will.
What is that when that happens?
That weird thing where your brain just stops thinking about a thing you were just thinking about.
brian simpson
No, I saw a study.
Man, and I can't name the study.
I probably shouldn't quote it.
joe rogan
Oh, now I remember what it was.
There it is.
Thank you.
This is what it was.
Marlon Brando, when he won the Academy Award, did not accept the Academy Award.
Instead, had a Native American woman go up there and accept the award.
And it turns out she wasn't really Native American.
brian simpson
What?
He had Elizabeth Warren accept his award?
joe rogan
Yes, Elizabeth Warren went up and accepted his award.
And her fucking sister ratted her out, I believe.
brian simpson
Haters.
It'd be your own people that be hating.
joe rogan
But she's beautiful.
I mean, like, and she's probably crazy.
But if you find the video, it's kind of funny.
Because, like, accepting the award for Marlon Brando, and she goes up and talks about, I think she talked about Native American genocide.
She's a fake Native American.
She just made it up.
She changed her name, like, the whole deal.
What was her name?
brian simpson
Did he know?
jamie vernon
Sasheen Littlefeather.
joe rogan
Littlefeather.
Did you just call yourself Littlefeather?
He didn't know.
He's Marlon Brando.
unidentified
He's on an island fucking everybody that moves.
joe rogan
So this lady was not Native American at all.
Look at the Academy Award!
What's that?
jamie vernon
I heard the Wikipedia says she's from Oxnard.
joe rogan
Wow.
And her sister was like, you bitch, you're not fucking Native American.
Imagine, like, your sister is crazy and you hate your sister and you're always fighting, and then one day you see that bitch at the Oscars telling everybody she's an Indian.
brian simpson
Yeah, but how does she fool everybody?
She don't even look Native.
joe rogan
Well, watch her talk.
She kind of does.
She kind of does.
I mean, she could be.
Here we go.
unidentified
James Foreman.
I grow to.
I'm a gun brother.
Hello.
sacheen littlefeather
My name is Sashin Littlefeather.
joe rogan
No, it's not!
sacheen littlefeather
And I'm president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee.
I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening, and he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech, which I cannot share with you presently because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards.
that he very regretfully cannot accept this very generous award and the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry excuse me and on television in movie reruns And also
with recent happenings at Wounded Knee.
I beg at this time that I have not intruded.
joe rogan
Wounded Knee was quite a long time before that.
Why did you say recent happenings at Wounded Knee?
brian simpson
There was a protest there or something.
joe rogan
Oh, right, right, right.
jamie vernon
Ancestry dispute here, like, after her death, though, which is kind of...
joe rogan
Oh, that's when she got busted?
Yeah.
Her biological sisters, Rosalind Cruz and Trudy Orlandi, who say the family does not have Native American ancestry.
Keeler writes that the sisters state that their father, who was born in Oxnard, California, was of Mexican descent and had no tribal ties, nor was he related to the Yaqui tribes of northern Mexico.
Furthermore, Cruz believed Little Feather fabricated a Native identity because she thought it was more prestigious to be Native American than to be Hispanic.
Keillor searched records for Little Feather's family going back to 1850 and did not find evidence of Native ancestry.
So she got away with it.
brian simpson
Damn, Little Feather walked so Rachel Dolezal could run.
joe rogan
Yeah, well...
You know, back then, there was no social media.
Like, your friends from college couldn't tweet and go, what?
brian simpson
Right, right.
joe rogan
You know, that's one of the things that happened with Elizabeth Holmes, that lady who ran that Theranos scam.
brian simpson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Who created a fake voice.
brian simpson
That's a king scam.
joe rogan
Her friends from college were like, why is that bitch talking like that?
They would call each other up.
Have you heard her on the news?
Why is she fucking talking like she?
brian simpson
They got her at a party like, totally!
unidentified
And then she gets on the stage and she's like, we're really excited to bring you the most amazing.
Blood data research from a drop of blood.
That story is so wild.
joe rogan
Have you listened to the Dropout podcast series?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
It's really good.
It's really good.
brian simpson
But they made some real good...
There's some great documentaries on YouTube that are made by, like, one person, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
That's what I learned about.
joe rogan
Oh, I mean, you can do amazing stuff with your phone today and just edit it all on your phone and upload it to you.
It's a wild time.
brian simpson
You ever try that shit, though?
joe rogan
No, I don't have time.
brian simpson
I'm like, these kids...
joe rogan
My kids do it.
brian simpson
They have this shit mastered.
Because I try to do it, and I'm like, wait a minute.
Did you just spend two hours making a 15-second video?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
They're like, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't care.
brian simpson
Yeah, I don't got it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll make these intricate TikTok videos that are 15 seconds and they'll work all day on it.
But it's just like, you know, I mean, we're just, we're dinosaurs when it comes to that stuff.
brian simpson
You know, well, I'm kind of, I consider myself tech savvy, but I'm not really social media fan.
I've had young people make fun of the angle that I took my picture from, and I'm like, when did the rules check?
They tell me, oh, you take a selfie like an old man.
I'm like, what does that mean?
I thought you just take a picture yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's so stupid.
brian simpson
Yeah, and I guess there's a way that old people always hold the camera.
unidentified
I don't know.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who cares how you take pictures?
brian simpson
That's the weird thing about comedy, because Derek and Hassan are two of my closest friends, but I'm like 10 years older than them.
You know what I mean?
So they always old manning me.
They're right.
joe rogan
Well, I'm way older than them.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's just how it is.
But they keep me young.
At least they let me know when I'm being lame.
joe rogan
Well, it's always fun to check in on the young generation.
Like, what are you guys into?
brian simpson
What does that mean?
joe rogan
What does cap mean?
No cap?
What does that mean?
That means no bullshit?
Why don't you just say no bullshit?
Why do you have to have a new word for no bullshit?
brian simpson
Well, yeah, because cap would also just mean a lie.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right.
How'd that happen?
How did cap become a lie?
brian simpson
I don't know the origination of it, honestly.
joe rogan
I found out from Schultz.
I heard Schultz talk about it.
He goes, cap.
I go, what does that mean?
He goes, I call cap.
I go...
What are you calling?
brian simpson
But that's the thing.
See, black people have been saying cap for like 20 years.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's like woke.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's like TikTok just...
TikTok has shortened the amount of time from when black people say some cool shit and then white people make it lame.
You know what I mean?
It used to be, you know, black people would say some cool shit, and they would be pushed to the side, and then maybe 10 years later, black parents are saying it, and so now it's lame to the black kids, but by that time, the white kids are saying it.
Right?
And then we already off it, and then the white parents are saying it, and now it's lame.
joe rogan
I'm bringing back Groovy.
brian simpson
Like Da Bomb?
Who says that?
Nobody.
joe rogan
Right, who's saying Da Bomb now?
White ladies.
brian simpson
White grandparents, yeah.
joe rogan
In the middle of the Midwest.
brian simpson
Yeah, so it's like, but now, but that used to take like 20 years.
Now it's like a year and a half.
Because it hit TikTok and it hits everybody.
joe rogan
You know what it's like?
It's like an hourglass, but they just open up the pipe.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And the sand flows through quicker.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'll have people, like young people on TikTok telling me like, oh, that's not what that means.
I'm like, that is what it means.
We made it up.
joe rogan
Isn't that fascinating, like, how quick things change now?
Like, cultural things change.
brian simpson
Yeah.
The meaning of fuckboy changed quick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Because, you know, you know Ian Edwards?
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember that bit.
brian simpson
Yeah, he used to have a bit about fuckboy, and then right under his feet, the meaning changed.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Because the kids, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
I think he's...
I don't know if he still has a bit, but...
Yeah, it's like they're changing it up.
Because what it takes is, you know, sometimes you'll hear a slang word and you'll try to figure out what it means.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
So what happens is somebody that doesn't know what it means will just assume what it means, be wrong, but popular.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
And so the whole meaning of it changes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know, they go viral on TikTok and the next thing you know, they're telling you, you wrong.
You know?
joe rogan
The TikTok generation is like, how much attention do they have?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Man.
joe rogan
You're essentially being programmed from the time you're very young to look at something very quickly and just get a little bit of information, move on.
A little bit of information, move on.
brian simpson
There's a bunch of people that want to be famous for free.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Because they think fame is the prize.
It's like, oh, no, no, no, no.
Fame sucks.
Like, fame without money sucks.
You don't want to be famous and broke.
joe rogan
But you're looking at it as a person with talent who has a career.
What they're looking at is like, hey, maybe I don't want to have to get a job.
If I could just fucking dance around in front of my phone.
brian simpson
You know what kids?
Y'all on to something.
Yeah, because working sucks.
Working sucks.
I was just telling the homie this.
I don't remember ever feeling so bad about myself in life.
Except for the period where I was working my ass off just to make enough to go to work.
I only had enough money to eat and go to work and go home and come back.
So even on my days off, I couldn't do shit because I wasn't making enough money.
You know what I mean?
That's how I know living is more important than working.
You don't live to work.
You work to live.
So nobody wants to just work.
Because when you just work, you feel like shit.
You want to die.
joe rogan
All the time.
brian simpson
But it's the opposite also.
When you don't work at all, you die in a different way.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
You feel useless.
You got to have a purpose.
joe rogan
You feel useless and you don't get anything done.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And you don't grow.
joe rogan
When you don't have a job, you don't get anything done.
Because you don't have any money, so you can't really do stuff.
And you're just kind of at your house all day, just waiting.
brian simpson
But sometimes, sometimes...
I'll put it to you like this.
I've never been envious of somebody that's being worked to death.
But I've walked past some homeless people that laid out on the sidewalk, you know, and I'm like, you know what?
There's something to that.
Just not giving a fuck.
Like, wherever you are, you at home.
Now, yeah, you don't care about the smell.
Who gives a fuck?
It's pissy out here, but you're comfortable.
If I had to choose between the two, I don't know.
I have a tough decision.
joe rogan
You could always find a public shower.
The thing is, it just sucks.
It sucks being homeless.
There's no good thing about being homeless.
But there's also no good thing about working.
You don't want either or.
brian simpson
But once you're at the point where you're not rewarded for smelling good...
You know?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Like, my life's the same whether I smell good or not.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Who knows?
joe rogan
Yeah, you just live on the street no matter what.
You don't care what you smell like.
brian simpson
Well, some of them be just high as a motherfucker.
They're not even out there.
See, when you run into them, you see them as out there.
But they're not even there.
They're in the clouds.
joe rogan
We ran into this lady at a gas station out here, and her head...
Her posture was so bad that her head hung down.
Instead of going straight up from her shoulders, somehow or another, her neck had her head all the way down.
It didn't look possible.
She might have legitimately had a broken neck at one point in time and didn't do anything about it.
brian simpson
Oh, Lord.
joe rogan
That's how bad it was.
And this poor lady, she was probably in her 60s, or she might have been a hard 50s, Just cracked out of her mind.
Scabs everywhere.
Clothes dirty and disheveled.
And she just coming up to us and asking us for money.
And she couldn't even look you in the eyes.
unidentified
And it was just like, you were someone's little baby.
joe rogan
She was someone's little baby.
She was someone's little baby girl.
brian simpson
Oh, I thought you said she was holding a baby.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
At one point in time, she was someone's little baby girl.
brian simpson
Yeah.
It's been a long time since she was dead.
joe rogan
But isn't that wild?
Like, it can go so bad.
brian simpson
You know a wild fact that I discovered?
And this is, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, fans, but I have a theory that, you know, you know how you see crackheads, like, they have a funny walk sometimes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I have a theory that the people that are strung out on drugs, they walk like they still have the ass that they used to have.
You know?
So, like, if you see a crackhead lady, like, walking funny, picture her with a fatter ass, and it makes sense.
joe rogan
Right, because she's still, in her mind, looks like that.
brian simpson
Yeah, her hips was trained on her good ass.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Now she on cracking into strength or nothing, but she's still got the movements.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Let's see.
Let's see if I'm right.
joe rogan
You know what scares the shit out of me that I've been seeing on Instagram is anorexics.
There was some anorexic lady who was dancing around on Instagram and then I told my daughter about it and she knew the girl's name.
Like Eugenia or something like that.
She's a famous Instagram.
brian simpson
She's famous for being anorexic?
joe rogan
I believe that's part of what she's famous for, yeah.
Because when, you know, I used to do yoga at this place.
Yeah, there she is.
brian simpson
Oh, no, baby girl, no!
joe rogan
You should see the video.
See if you find videos of it.
Because, like, when she's dancing around, like that one down there with the microphone in her hand, that's the one I saw.
Like, look at this.
It's crazy, man.
brian simpson
Goddamn.
That wig looks like it's weighing her down.
joe rogan
Bro, that scares the shit out of me.
brian simpson
Wait a minute.
Damn!
joe rogan
Why are you showing me this?
Look at her bones and her hips.
I mean, I used to do yoga with this lady who was anorexic.
She...
I shouldn't say I used to do...
I did it once.
I showed up at this class and this lady was there.
And, you know, at the beginning of the class, like before the class starts, people are like warming up and stuff.
And I look over and I had to do one of these like...
Like, don't freak out.
Because she was like 70 pounds.
She looked like that lady.
But she was like right next to me on the mat right next to me.
brian simpson
I was like, oh my god.
Is she doing jujitsu?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Yoga.
brian simpson
Oh, okay.
I was going to say, get her out of the way!
joe rogan
Just let her tap me.
Just go ahead, get me.
No, shoot, this poor lady.
It made me so sad.
It was so sad.
It was so sad because she doesn't...
You could fix that with food.
You're at yoga class.
You're not poor.
brian simpson
That's way more alarming than morbid obesity.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's weird.
brian simpson
Because it seems like an easier fix.
joe rogan
But I think we have to realize, this is really important, we have to realize that when we judge people like that lady, or even like someone who's morbidly obese, like Lizzo or something like that.
She's not morbidly, right?
Is she?
brian simpson
No, but I was just sitting here thinking, damn, I'm glad he didn't say Lizzo.
That's the easy way to go.
Because everybody always goes Lizzo.
joe rogan
Tim Dillon.
Let's say Okay, it's well I think what we have to really think about and I never used to think about this when I was younger because I was a hard-ass I think you have to really understand that there's something wrong.
There's something wrong.
Just like there's something wrong when someone thinks that demons are talking to them.
Just like there's something wrong when someone can't stop gambling.
There's something wrong when someone is starving themselves to death and they don't realize that it looks insane.
There's something wrong.
It's like with bodybuilders that never feel like they're big enough.
You know, that's a thing.
brian simpson
It's like body dysmorphia.
joe rogan
Yes, it's body dysmorphia.
brian simpson
When you look in the mirror, you don't see what everybody else sees.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And I think that it's not even just that they don't see it.
It's just like they don't have control of what's happening.
There's a bunch of factors and everyone's like, oh, you've got control.
You can go.
Right.
You do if you are at your best.
If you were captured by the Viet Cong and fucking tortured for three years.
Do you think you'd be the same person?
You wouldn't be, alright?
And if you lived some horrific life filled with physical and sexual abuse and violence and crime and incarceration...
brian simpson
Or not even that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Sometimes it's one thing.
One traumatic event can fuck your whole shit up.
joe rogan
Sure.
And the point is there's so many factors that lead to a person starving themselves to death on TikTok.
It's not as simple as, that girl just needs to eat.
There's a problem.
And the problem is showing itself as a skeleton.
But there's a lot of problems.
It's not as simple as, like, she doesn't know what she looks like.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's something dark there.
brian simpson
So, fuck, this is going to haunt me.
Is she famous for being the anorexic girl?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I just saw that video and I brought it up to my daughter.
My daughter knew her name.
She knew who she was.
And she pulled up videos and she was like, it's so sad.
I was like, it is sad.
And she doesn't know that it looks terrible.
brian simpson
Especially because I'm pretty sure when your body fat percentage drops to a certain, it's life-threatening.
joe rogan
Oh, she's 100% life-threatening.
Dude, it's life-threatening for sure.
Starvation is one of the absolute worst things that can happen to your body because your body starts to digest itself.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
You notice how you never hear the body positive movement.
It's never like, just because she's that skinny don't mean she ain't healthy.
No, that bitch was about to die, bro.
joe rogan
Exactly.
There's no body positivity movement for not eating.
brian simpson
No, hell no.
jamie vernon
According to Wikipedia, this is her first video that went viral like 10 years ago on WorldStarHipHop.
joe rogan
Okay, so then she looks just thin.
brian simpson
Yeah, but she looks like her mom and dad probably like, you need to eat, baby.
That's not an emergency.
joe rogan
She's very thin, but she also looks like she's frail framed.
brian simpson
Right, right.
joe rogan
She's a small person.
brian simpson
A little framed, but she still looks healthy.
joe rogan
Yeah, between that and what she's at now.
Look, you can see her legs.
You don't see these bones poking out everywhere.
brian simpson
Right, right.
joe rogan
It's a mental illness, man.
I mean, it's 100% mental illness.
brian simpson
Especially when you got a twerk from the knees.
She's twerking from the knees.
joe rogan
Well, she doesn't have a lot to work with.
I mean, she's a tiny lady.
She's so frail.
But to see her like that, like any anorexia.
Like I said, that lady who used to take yoga, it was like, watching her do it was just like, oh my god.
brian simpson
Yeah, because how do you cure anorexia?
Has anyone cured it?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
People have bounced back from it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what they have to do to bounce back from it.
And maybe, you know, I think a lot of gets exacerbated by, you know, models.
Like they have to starve themselves.
brian simpson
Well, when your relationship with food is compromised, I think that might be the most dangerous thing.
Even the opposite, like food addiction.
It's like when your drug is food, that feels like such a...
Because you can't quit food.
It would almost be like if you had to do a little heroin every day and you had a heroin problem.
You know, it's like you gotta eat.
joe rogan
It's the only addiction that you can't ever just abstain from.
brian simpson
Right, right.
So that's tough.
But then what is this?
Is it like the signal?
Something's fucked up with the chain of events that happens when you put food in your mouth.
Where your body, instead of being like, oh, that's great, it's like, get the fuck out of me.
joe rogan
I think for this lady, I mean, who knows what led her down to being a skeleton.
But it's like they think that thinner is better.
Just like when women have like crazy implants.
brian simpson
Or like just super gigantic.
joe rogan
Super gigantic triple Z implants.
Yeah, like Nancy Pelosi.
Big ol' knockers.
Like, what are you doing?
Like, what are you doing?
You know, they don't see it.
They want them bigger.
They want them bigger.
It's like it becomes some crazy...
brian simpson
Plastic surgery reveals so much.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
It's like, do you...
Because the big one now is like the lip injections.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
And you see some people be like, you know that don't look...
Right.
It look like you got stung by a bee on your lip.
joe rogan
Well, your face has symmetry to it.
There's like a certain ratio to like the distance between the eyes and the length of the nose and where the chin is.
And when one of those things is off, your brain is going, why is your nose so little?
brian simpson
But also, like, there's wrinkles on your bottom lip.
So when you get too much of a lip injection, it looks smooth.
Your lip looks smooth.
So it looks swollen.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Even though somebody might look at your face and not notice what's off, they know something's off.
Right.
Why are your lips smooth, bitch?
That's weird.
joe rogan
Why are you so shiny and stretched?
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
I never thought of that part.
brian simpson
Yeah, it looks weird to me.
joe rogan
The lip thing doesn't work.
It's like, we went for boobs, and they're like, okay, what about lips?
Let's try lips.
Everybody likes to fill lips.
And they tried it, but it's like, that's your face.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But I think you can do a little and pull it off.
Some girls think they're doing a little bit of it.
brian simpson
Some people have nailed it.
joe rogan
But you gotta be careful not to get crazy.
You don't want to be the skeleton lady.
You know what I mean?
You don't want to be obese.
You don't want to be the bodybuilder that thinks he's small.
brian simpson
But I just feel like if she's been like this for that long, don't they get to the point where they fuck up their esophagus from throwing up so much?
joe rogan
I don't think she's eating.
She's probably barely alive, man.
When you're that little...
I mean, essentially her body has deteriorated, right?
Like, you're not seeing anything but the bones, all the hip bones and everything like that.
You don't see any meat.
brian simpson
But let's be honest.
She looked like she was having a blast.
I mean, it's easy to look like that for 15 seconds when you're shooting.
joe rogan
She probably had to sleep for 11 hours after that video.
She probably has zero energy.
brian simpson
How's she making money from being an influencer?
joe rogan
I guess so.
brian simpson
I don't know.
But what product is...
None.
joe rogan
Ads, maybe?
jamie vernon
You know, people just like...
She was up for YouTuber of the Year in 2020. How?
I've never heard of her.
I don't know her.
joe rogan
YouTuber of the year.
brian simpson
Her YouTube might be fine, though.
joe rogan
It might be.
Why are we judging?
We haven't even watched any of these amazing videos.
brian simpson
No, bro, I think it's a sweepstakes.
People are betting money on when she's going to eat, and she just teases them every week.
unidentified
She just puts the feeling right here.
joe rogan
I hope she gets better.
brian simpson
I do, too, man.
joe rogan
I really do.
brian simpson
How old is that girl?
joe rogan
She's almost 30. Almost 30. Yeah, when you lose that kind of weight and getting that thin, that has to be.
Let's Google anorexia and its detrimental health effects on the human body.
It's got to be horrific.
Because I know weight cutting is fucking absolutely brutal for these fighters, but that's severe dehydration, which is not quite the same thing.
But they get real thin before they do that a lot of times.
At least they used to.
Guys are getting better at cutting just all the water out now.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
Well, I remember when I... See, I never got to see it up close until we went to Fight Week.
And then I was like, oh, damn.
You gotta leave these motherfuckers alone.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, like the day before.
They look like somebody just rescued them from something.
joe rogan
Well, they did.
They rescued them from death.
They legitimately are at death's door.
Okay, this is complications of anorexia include anemia, heart problems such as mitral valve prolapse, abnormal heart rhythms or heart failure, bone loss, osteoporosis, increasing the risk of fractures, loss of muscle in females, absence of period in males, decreased testosterone, gastrointestinal problems such as constipation, bloating or nausea, electrolyte abnormalities such as low blood potassium, Sodium and chloride and kidney problems.
Here's a question.
What's the ratio of men with anorexia versus women?
And how many of the men who have anorexia are gay men?
brian simpson
Mmm, I think, I mean, it might be a problem, but...
joe rogan
I bet it's very few men have anorexia.
brian simpson
Well, but I think that's starting to change, right?
Because right now...
joe rogan
People are non-binary.
brian simpson
No, but right now, Pete Davidson is a sex symbol.
Pete Davidson and Machine Gun Kelly, like young white women love the sick-looking...
joe rogan
Sort of.
brian simpson
Like the real malnourished-looking guys.
joe rogan
Sort of, until Jason Momoa shows up.
brian simpson
Well...
Right, right.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But what I'm saying is...
joe rogan
And then your eggs start talking.
brian simpson
What I'm saying is, more guys don't mind.
Because men do what gets them late.
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
And so it's like, that's why it's not very many anorexic men.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're not going to try that hard.
brian simpson
To stop eating.
joe rogan
Anorexia.
brian simpson
I bet you a lot of men in the model industry are probably anorexic.
joe rogan
I would think they would have to be fit.
brian simpson
No, because what they do, but you don't have to look like her to be anorexic.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the research I'm trying to find that says there's a problem, there is a lot of, it's just general eating disorder is big in men.
Going to anorexia, I think it's tough to find.
joe rogan
Well, overeating is probably bigger in men.
jamie vernon
Correct, yeah, that's what I was even finding.
The first study, they had double the amount of women responded even, but it's twice as many men said they had an eating disorder than women.
joe rogan
Right, but that just could be their addicted eating food.
unidentified
Correct.
jamie vernon
Most of it's yet overeating.
joe rogan
So they don't have data on just anorexia?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find it and then I have not located it.
joe rogan
Why don't you Google how many men have anorexia?
Just Google that.
I'm curious just with the numbers.
brian simpson
I bet you it was surprisingly low.
jamie vernon
It says the percentage of anorexics are 25% are men.
brian simpson
A quarter of anorexics are men?
jamie vernon
10 to 25%.
joe rogan
That's higher than I would think.
But what's the number of total anorexics?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Say 10 to 25% are men?
Is that what you said?
Do they have to self-report?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's how they would have to know.
You'd have to go get help for them to find out.
So it's out of the sights.
20 million women and 10 million men have an eating disorder.
Males make up 25% of people with anorexia.
joe rogan
25%.
brian simpson
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
Because they're often diagnosed later than females.
They are at a higher risk of dying.
unidentified
Ooh.
brian simpson
I think that's probably true of every disease.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It also says it's not common in people over the age of 40. Interesting.
joe rogan
So it's only common when you want someone to fuck you.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
I think it's probably just common when the most young impressionable.
Because once you're over 40, you're like, I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Hopefully.
Hopefully you get to the I don't give a fuck 40s.
Because there's nothing sadder than someone who's in their 60s and still gives a fuck.
brian simpson
Yeah, dude.
That's the only benefit.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the only benefit.
Men are likely underdiagnosed with eating disorders because clinical assessment tools emphasize a desire to lose weight as opposed to building muscle.
So they might not.
I mean, I guess they're asking a bunch of questions and they might ask guys the right questions maybe either.
Women have a 1.5 to 7, 5 to 3 times higher prevalence for anorexia bulimia, so bulimia might be more prevalent.
brian simpson
Okay, so wait a minute.
What's the difference between bulimia and anorexia?
joe rogan
Bulimia, you throw up your food.
You eat, and then you throw it up.
brian simpson
Okay, that's why I was talking about the damaged esophagus.
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
Okay, and anorexia is just you don't eat.
joe rogan
Anorexia is just you don't eat at all.
brian simpson
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
But I bet some people are both.
brian simpson
Yeah, well, I think if you have bulimia, you probably die sooner.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's also said.
Men are three times more likely than women to have a sub-threshold BED, which would be eating disorder.
Meaning it's significant but does not meet all criteria for an official diagnosis.
joe rogan
Yeah, overeating.
brian simpson
Because throwing up all the time.
jamie vernon
And lastly.
brian simpson
Because you know severe alcoholics get that.
joe rogan
What's the lastly?
jamie vernon
50 to 80% of anorexia is genetic.
unidentified
Whoa!
jamie vernon
And it's the deadliest mental disease.
unidentified
Whoa!
brian simpson
Anorexia nervosa.
jamie vernon
One in five is a suicide death.
joe rogan
The risk of death in anorexia is more than double the death rate of schizophrenia.
brian simpson
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Almost triple the death rate of bipolar disease and more than triple the death rate due to depression.
Wow!
The crazy thing is maybe 80% of it is genetic.
That's the wild thing, man.
brian simpson
See, bro, that's the thing.
A lot of times, you gotta get healthy enough to get healthy.
Once you've got to the point where enough shit is broken...
It's like trying to drive a car that needs a lot of work.
You have to fix all this other stuff before you can even get to driving.
joe rogan
That's a lot of work, too, to get past that.
brian simpson
Once you get to the point where more than one thing's wrong...
joe rogan
Also, if it's genetic, what are your genes telling you?
I wonder...
What's interesting is, like, does that mean that it's prevalent in multiple family members?
And is that because of, like, some other shit?
brian simpson
Well, yeah, you probably are predisposed to it, but then something in your environment has to trigger it.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Or is it possible that what we're calling genetic is just the same environmental stimuli, the same shitty, abusive family life?
Or whatever it is.
And it just transfers down from generation to generation.
Because you think in some ways, especially when I was younger, I thought, how would my stepdad think of this?
I thought like he thought of things.
You think about the older people in your life.
You think about your family, how they think of things.
You think for yourself, but you're not sure.
So you think, what would my mom do?
How would my mom think about this?
brian simpson
What are they saying?
Are these babies just pushing titties away?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know?
I don't know.
Genetic.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
So my thought is that, like, maybe it's just prevalent in many people because they have a terrible family life.
Like, depression.
Like, depression is supposedly genetic, and I bet it is.
But is it always genetic because someone has some sort of wrong wiring in their brain?
They transfer that on through their genes?
Or...
Is it because all the people in the family live these fucked up shitty lives and there's no hope in that house?
And everyone who is a part of that is kind of fucked.
jamie vernon
They found two specific genes that do it and that brings it up to a 90% chance of having an eating disorder.
brian simpson
Holy shit!
So yeah, I think your genes just mean you're more likely to get it.
jamie vernon
It has something to do with your appetite.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So these two genes, ESRRA and HDAC4, increase a person's chance of developing an eating disorder by 90 to 85%.
But this is eating too much, right?
This is not anorexia.
jamie vernon
No, no.
They studied people with anorexia.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
See, these genes, as well as some of the other identified by researchers, are involved in signaling your brain's appetite.
Blockages or interruptions in the appetite pathways may impact how a person interprets hunger.
Oh, so their wiring is fucked up and they're not getting hungry?
brian simpson
And linked it to diabetes.
Metabolic conditions.
jamie vernon
They studied twins.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
There's some links with twins that had it that, like, proved some of the family genetic stuff, too.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
So it's some screwy wiring that makes you less hungry?
But also, like, you should know...
Here's part of the thing that I don't understand.
You gotta know if you see yourself like that, that something's wrong, why wouldn't you just drink some milkshakes?
Why wouldn't you just do something to put calories into your body?
You'd have to know that you're dying, right?
So there's obviously a mental illness component to it, too.
brian simpson
Well, yeah, I think it's...
joe rogan
It's not as simple as, like, a gene being off where you're not hungry.
brian simpson
No, I don't think it's that you're not hungry as much as it is that whatever the normal process is to tell you to go eat, your shit screwed up somehow.
Like, whatever hundred signals got to be passed for you to go eat and, like, desire the food...
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Something in that chain is fucked up.
joe rogan
But not only is something in that chain fucked up, but you don't have the rational ability to say, I need to consume food.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
Because a person needs a certain amount of 1,000 calories a day.
brian simpson
It's screwy, too, because you know my, you know, Burner, Trevor Burner?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brian simpson
He was doing wrestling since he was a kid, you know, all the weight cutting and stuff, and it's fucked him up to the point where, like, he forgets to eat.
He doesn't get hungry like we do.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
He has to remind himself to eat.
He doesn't know he's hungry until he starts acting weird.
He's like, oh yeah, I didn't eat.
Because he's been starving himself since he was a kid.
He's been resting since he was a little kid.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian simpson
So my point is...
joe rogan
You just become accustomed to that signal.
brian simpson
Yeah, so I think if you have these genes...
You're more likely, something in your environment is more likely to, it doesn't mean you're gonna have anorexia, but it means you're way more likely to, you know, depending on what you're exposed to.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
brian simpson
You know?
I wasn't born with depression.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
You know what I'm saying?
But something happened, and some people are just more likely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Oh man, thank God.
Thank God I'm not...
Yeah, I gotta be grateful for where I am.
Man.
Can you imagine having a fucked up relationship with food?
Where it's like, you don't want it?
joe rogan
I would rather want it way too much.
brian simpson
Yeah, I'd rather have to fight that.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that I know that are pretty obese that are food addicts that are fun people.
They're great to eat with.
brian simpson
They're having a ball.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're having a great fucking time.
It's like, yeah, it's bad for you, but at least you're enjoying yourself.
Anorexia does not look like you're getting the enjoyment part.
The thing about, like, if you go to a real Italian restaurant, like, come on, eat!
They just want to stuff you.
And everybody's drinking wine, and everyone's laughing and having a good time.
Like, that's how Italians like to eat.
They go hard.
brian simpson
And no anorexic is dangerous, you know?
Where it's like...
You have no chance of winning.
At least a fat motherfucker can fall on you or grab you.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's fat people that can fight.
brian simpson
Yeah.
If you're that skinny, you ain't got no chance.
joe rogan
You have zero chance.
You have no muscles.
There's nothing.
You're just a skeleton coming at you like fucking Pirates of the Caribbean.
brian simpson
Like a leg kick might kill you.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
Snap your femur.
joe rogan
Oh, you could kill that girl if you kicked her in the stomach.
unidentified
100%.
brian simpson
You can be careful before my special comes out.
joe rogan
You could kill a regular person if their back was against a wall and you kicked them in the stomach.
You could destroy their organs.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Like a turning sidekick to the body?
Especially if you get them right No, you would get them right in the fucking center, like right in here.
Oh, like a Spartan kick?
No, you'd use a spinning back kick.
That's the most powerful kick.
A turning side kick, it's called.
It's my specialty.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, so I was about to say, the ones I've seen you doing videos?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, but most people can't pull that off with...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I'm just saying that there's human beings that are capable of killing someone with a kick.
You don't see it in an MMA fight because, first of all, these guys are heavily muscled and generally kicks don't land perfectly flush and your back is not to a wall where you absorb all the impact.
But if your back was to a wall and there was nothing, like a concrete wall, there's nothing stopping the impact and someone really fucking smashed you, you had a real good chance of bleeding internally.
A real good chance of having fractured ribs that go into your lungs and all kinds of shit.
brian simpson
I'm always blown away when I see a UFC fighter take one of those kicks.
joe rogan
Bro.
brian simpson
You know?
joe rogan
You know what the most painful shit is?
The calf kicks.
And I'm saying this anecdotally.
I've never been kicked in the calf, really.
Not hard.
Not like by a UFC fighter in a fight.
But just getting massaged in your calves fucking hurts like hell.
These guys are kicking each other in the calf and it deadens your calf where you can't walk right.
So then you've got to kind of play it off.
So mostly you're moving on your other leg.
And you see it in guys.
You see it like right away.
Like Poeton, Alex Pajeda, he's the best I've ever seen at that.
I've ever seen.
He's the best at it.
brian simpson
The calf kick?
joe rogan
He's so sneaky!
And Izzy, he got Izzy in the first fight, and he was getting Izzy in the second fight with it, and Izzy's like, God damn, this motherfucker's getting me again!
Like, right before he cracked him.
He was catching him in that leg, and he was deadening that leg, and that's what fucked Izzy up in the first fight.
He couldn't get away from him.
He couldn't, his leg wouldn't move.
He had kicked his left calf so many times, the whole thing was just useless.
And Izzy's just a great athlete, so he's moving around on it, and you can't tell that much.
brian simpson
But what's the worst kick you ever received, the calf kick?
joe rogan
No.
The worst kick I've ever received is the kicks to the body.
You get kicked in the body, man.
You get kicked in the head is horrible.
You get knocked out.
You get rocked.
Getting kicked in the body, like getting kicked in the liver especially, holy shit, man.
Your whole body shuts down.
brian simpson
Being knocked out doesn't hurt, though.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, it hurts.
brian simpson
No, I mean...
No, but what I mean is you just wake up.
You don't feel the pain.
Like, I'm sure you feel it's going through something.
Right.
joe rogan
Liver shots.
Like, you remember when...
brian simpson
Tank?
joe rogan
Bernard Hopkins...
Yeah, Tank's a good one.
Tank's a good one.
brian simpson
When he hit Ryan Davis in the liver.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Or Ryan...
I want to say Ryan Davis.
joe rogan
Ryan Garcia.
Yeah, Gervonta is a murderous puncher, man.
But I was going to say when Oscar De La Hoya fought Bernard Hopkins.
Bernard Hopkins was too big.
Oscar was past his prime.
Bernard was still in the fucking...
I mean, even though he's older, Bernard was probably in his 40s when that fight happened.
brian simpson
That's when he was the sharpest, though.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Bernard...
You know, I asked Terrence Crawford about that, and he said one of the things was probably that Bernard was in prison, and during that prison time, he didn't abuse his body.
Like, he didn't get beat up.
He didn't have all of them.
But he was training and learning.
And then he also developed this insane discipline when he was in prison.
He's like, I am never coming back here.
I'm never coming back here.
And they said to him, we'll see you.
Like, after he got executed.
You never seen me.
brian simpson
Well, that's the thing, man.
joe rogan
This is it.
I don't know how old Bernard.
There it is.
There's the body shot.
Let me see that again.
Ooh, dig to the body.
Bernard was so good.
I re-watched Bernard versus Kelly Pavlik the other day.
And I think Bernard was in his 40s in that fight, too.
And everybody counted Bernard out.
That was after Kelly Pavlik knocked out Jermaine Taylor.
brian simpson
You can accomplish so much out of spite.
joe rogan
Spite?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
So many of the things I've overcome have been from spite.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
When he dropped me off to go to boot camp, he was like, I'll see you in a couple weeks.
Whoa.
And that is what made me not quit.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian simpson
I was like, never, never.
I will not give him the satisfaction.
Because he was right.
I had trouble with people telling me what to do and stuff like that.
But I was like, oh no.
Ain't no way I'm going back home.
joe rogan
No way.
brian simpson
Fuck no.
I'll endure whatever.
Just to win.
Just to show you.
joe rogan
Bernard was world class when he was 50. Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
He probably still boxed up the average person.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, the average person's dead, for sure.
But, I mean, that guy, like, what?
And also, clean living his entire life.
Organic food.
No fucking drugs.
No drugs.
No alcohol.
No nothing.
Yeah.
He was always in shape.
Always in shape.
Never got fat.
Never got big in between fights at all.
Always running.
Always hitting the bag.
Never got out of shape.
Not for a minute.
Not for a second.
You could have called Bernard Hopkins on a Tuesday and said you gotta fight on Saturday and be like, how much?
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, he was always ready.
He was just so defensively responsible.
Like, his defense was impeccable.
brian simpson
Yeah, he was sharp.
I mean, Philly produced a lot of...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Philly produced a lot of killers.
brian simpson
Yeah, man.
And I don't know why that is specifically.
joe rogan
Tough neighborhoods.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tough neighborhoods produce killers.
brian simpson
It's true.
Come on, Brownsville.
Every now and then, though, you get like a rich kid, like a prince or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, a prince not seeing you, huh, man?
brian simpson
I don't know.
Was he really a prince?
I don't think he was really a prince.
joe rogan
No, he was really a prince.
brian simpson
But every now and then, you get like a spoiled kid that got your hands.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Every now and then.
Yeah, I mean, there's people that violate the rules.
brian simpson
Yeah, you get the Ivy League champ.
joe rogan
It's so rare.
brian simpson
Nobody wants that, though.
They want somebody that's been through some shit.
joe rogan
They want Tyson.
brian simpson
Yeah, they want Mike Tyson.
They want somebody that came from the depths.
joe rogan
Someone with no family.
Someone who was raised by a guardian who happened to be a hypnotist and also a boxing trainer.
Yeah, that's Prince Nassim.
He came out of the flying carpet!
How amazing was that, bro?
People forgot about Nassim.
And his style was amazing, man.
Watch some of the fighting.
This is fun, but find some of his fighting.
Because his style was so crazy.
He had his hands down by his knees, and he would bend at the waist and just wing punches at you.
brian simpson
He reminded me of, who was the dude we were talking about the other day that had that weird style?
The Drunken Master.
joe rogan
Oh, yes.
Oh, my God.
brian simpson
What's his name?
joe rogan
Look at Dom Seam.
Look at him dancing around.
I mean, look at that.
How do you handle that?
And the guy can punch!
And he had big legs.
And his power came from his legs.
He would, like, punch with his whole body.
And people forgot, man.
He was really good.
And he was so popular.
I mean, he was all over television back then, man.
brian simpson
So unusual.
His interests were too long, though.
He had like a 20 minute.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
It was great.
It's great because now we can go back and watch it.
But dude, he was fucking people up.
So he had this crazy style, but he also had murderous power.
jamie vernon
I think his son's fighting now.
joe rogan
Emmanuel Augustus?
brian simpson
Yeah, Emmanuel Augustus.
The drunken mass.
joe rogan
That's him now.
Now he's a heavyweight.
brian simpson
Oh, Princeton seems a heavyweight?
joe rogan
No, he's not fighting anymore.
He's eating a lot of food.
That's him on the right.
brian simpson
Oh, what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's one of them 85%.
unidentified
He's got that gene.
brian simpson
For real.
joe rogan
What is Emanuel Augustus?
Go to Emanuel Augustus highlights.
Emanuel was different, though, because Emanuel, instead of, I mean, it was a lot of, like, hands down moving around, but it was, like, smoother.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Emmanuel was like he was dancing with you.
Like literally dancing.
brian simpson
And it's like he would punch, he would throw a punch when you least expect it.
There was no rhythm to...
joe rogan
Floyd said that he was the hardest fighter he ever fought.
He said the hardest fight he ever had was this guy.
Because like, look how he fights.
He's just moving around.
It's like that dude was dancing before the fight started.
He was dancing during the fight.
And he was really slick defensively.
So this style was very disconcerting because he could move so good and he was kind of clowning you.
So that fucks with your head.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, if you see somebody...
Oh, he would throw a couple punches at me, and I'm like, I'm good, man.
I forfeit.
joe rogan
Well, that's where leg kicks come into play, son.
Oh, womp!
Give him a couple of those.
brian simpson
Womp!
joe rogan
Put your hands up, move forward.
Womp!
A few of those and all that shit's gone.
brian simpson
That's why it's wild to hear.
I forget that guy, that bodybuilder, that was like...
joe rogan
Bradley Martin.
brian simpson
Like, I could beat a professional fighter in a fight.
It's like, come on, man.
joe rogan
Well, he's also very smart, and he's doing this for clicks.
brian simpson
Oh, he knows.
joe rogan
Yeah, Bradley's a smart dude.
brian simpson
But I did see him actually spar with a black belt jujitsu guy that was his weight.
You know, obviously he got fucked up.
joe rogan
Who did that?
Who sparred with him?
brian simpson
I don't remember whose name it was, but I just watched it a couple days ago.
Somebody did spar with him.
joe rogan
Who is it?
jamie vernon
I've seen it a few times.
It doesn't say in the info.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, look, Bradley is a super athlete.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, here it is right here.
joe rogan
I mean, he's a gigantic athlete.
brian simpson
I don't know who that is he's sparring with.
joe rogan
Where is Bradley?
brian simpson
He's in the blue.
joe rogan
That's him?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is this a long time ago?
brian simpson
No, no.
jamie vernon
This was two years ago.
He's done it recently, I think, but...
brian simpson
No, this ain't the video I watched.
joe rogan
So it looks in this video like he's just learning stuff.
brian simpson
No, the video I watched was recent.
He was getting fucked up.
He got real humble.
But again, they weren't in a street fight when, like, kicks and punches and everything's on the table?
joe rogan
Right.
So at least, but when it comes to jiu-jitsu, at least Bradley's done this, right?
So Bradley has done some rolling, and yeah, he's getting manhandled by a black belt, but we all would.
brian simpson
Right, right.
joe rogan
But at least he's got some grappling experience.
So I'm assuming he's done that.
He's probably done multiple classes.
So he probably has some understanding of positions, probably some understanding of...
brian simpson
But he's probably never been in a real...
Like, you know what it is to me is, like, people that have never been in a fight, what they don't understand is, you could do all the fucking training you want to, but if you ain't never got hit for real...
Right.
Your ability to take damage or avoid damage is most of winning a fight.
joe rogan
It's a lot of it.
brian simpson
So it's like that one, you know, like the type of motherfucker like Izzy that can take a leg kick from Poeton and keep fighting, most people don't got that in them.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
You know, when you hit me with one leg kick and I'm out.
joe rogan
Right.
I'm out.
brian simpson
And you are too.
You haven't fought.
If you've never been in a fight, all you're doing is imagining.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
It's like you don't know how you're going to react to getting hit in the fucking sternum.
joe rogan
So this is him rolling...
jamie vernon
Different video, same guy.
I think he's wrestling the same guy, though.
joe rogan
Wrestling Steve, winner keeps the truck.
Oh, he's getting manhandled.
But that's just to be expected.
It doesn't matter how big you are.
I mean, that guy's big, too.
If you're grappling with a black belt in jiu-jitsu, you're going to get manhandled.
That's what that guy does every day.
You know, if you play chess with a guy who's a chess master, you're going to get fucked up.
brian simpson
I wish I had the money to put up to actually have him do it.
joe rogan
Oh, he gets triangle.
brian simpson
The MMA fight with Mighty Mouse.
joe rogan
Well, you don't want an MMA fight because if he picks him up and slams him on the ground, he could fuck Mighty Mouse up.
I don't know if he would be able to do that.
Mighty Mouse is so...
He's so technical.
He knows everything.
But the size difference is so great.
All it would take was one slip up.
It didn't get a hold of him and spike him on the ground.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
We kind of saw that happen to...
joe rogan
Rose Namajunas got knocked out like that.
brian simpson
Right, right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
brian simpson
She was piecing her up before that.
joe rogan
She was.
She was.
brian simpson
She hasn't really been the same since.
joe rogan
Well, she broke her finger in the first round of her last fight.
People are criticizing her, saying she needs to go down to 125. Maybe.
But you can't discount that her finger was broken in the very first round.
Like, that's a giant factor, man.
Her finger was fucked up.
So she fought three rounds against a very, very tough, legitimate flyweight.
It was much bigger than her.
The girl looked jacked.
brian simpson
Ugh!
joe rogan
But Rose, in my mind, is one of the greatest strawweights of all time, and that's where she should be.
brian simpson
Yeah, agreed.
joe rogan
She's amazing at 115. I know it sucks to make 115, but that's the big fight, is if she really wants to keep fighting, she wants to go back down to flyweight, is, I mean, there's Tatiana Suarez down there, but Zhang Weili, she beat her twice.
So she knocked her out, and she beat her in a decision.
So they fought twice.
brian simpson
Yeah, but you know what, though?
That's a different Jean-Weili she gonna go down there and fight.
Yeah, cause she locked in.
joe rogan
Oh, she's locked in.
brian simpson
You know, like, and you always, she was always dangerous as fuck.
But I don't think...
joe rogan
She keeps getting better.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's been a couple years since Rose seen her.
I don't think that's the same fighter she fought before.
joe rogan
Jean-Weili is a tank, man.
She comes blasting you with kicks and punches.
Her grappling's sensational.
Ground and pound is vicious.
She's got a killer instinct.
I mean, she knocked out Ioana Jacek with a spinning back fist.
Like, she's a beast, man.
She's a fucking beast.
brian simpson
And I love me some Rose, but...
joe rogan
I do too.
brian simpson
I don't think she want that smoke.
joe rogan
Well, who knows, man.
Like I said, she beat her twice.
I think if they fought again, you know, if Rose gets her finger fixed and drops back down the flyway, that's a fight I'd like to see.
brian simpson
Oh, I'm definitely going to watch.
joe rogan
That's a fight I'd like to see.
brian simpson
But I remember when Rose won the title.
That was one of the best cards in UFC history.
You remember that?
Three titles changed hands that night.
It was Rose won the belt, and then who the fuck else was on that card?
It was two other title fights on that card.
joe rogan
I remember DC just yelling out, Thug Rose!
unidentified
Thug Rose!
brian simpson
And that's when I didn't really know much.
I was just like, oh, I'm picking her.
She looked, and everybody was like, what?
I was like, yeah, yeah.
And she won.
I was like, oh, who is this lady?
joe rogan
When she crocked Ioana with that left hook, I was like, oh my god, she did it.
brian simpson
She beat the boogeyman.
joe rogan
She beat the boogeywoman.
But she was the boogeywoman too, man.
She was lighting people up.
If you ever saw, if you saw Ioannion Jacek in her prime, like, you want to see a wild beatdown?
Do Ioannion Jacek, Juliana Payne, no, um, uh, who was it?
It wasn't Juliana, um, it was, um, who did she fight?
Can I see her record real quick?
jamie vernon
This was the night that the fights happened.
joe rogan
Jessica, Jessica Payne, that's who it was.
Go Rosnan, Eunice, Jessica, I mean not Rosnan, Eunice, Johanny and Jacek.
Yeah, the highlights.
This is perfect.
This is when she was the boogie woman, dude.
Look at that face.
Look at that face, dude.
And this is like when she was a multiple time world Muay Thai champion who now was in MMA. And so you got to see like a level of striking that you just never seen from women's MMA before.
When she came out of the scene, it was her and Valentina Simchenko were like, whoa, this is some next-level striking.
Just super technical.
You know, I mean, her fucking technique was fantastic.
Stuffed takedowns.
Go towards the end where you really see the beatdown.
So she starts putting it on her.
She starts putting it on her at the end of the second round.
Like, look at this.
I mean, Jessica Panetta's just getting battered.
Just getting battered.
And Ioana's just beating her down.
Like, look at this.
I mean, this was when everyone was really scared of Ioana.
Because she was just so aggressive.
And she would talk so much shit and get in your face at the weigh-ins.
And now she sees Jessica just busted up.
And she's just piecing her up.
And at the end, the final barrage is horrific, man.
Go to the final barrage and she has her up against the cage.
She just starts un-fucking-loading.
unidentified
How did the ref not stop this?
brian simpson
How you complaining, girl?
joe rogan
She's complaining because she's a warrior.
She wants to fight, but that woman was the best.
brian simpson
Your corner should have thrown that towel in for her.
joe rogan
Let me hear what she's saying.
What is she screaming?
michael ruppert
The Polish power!
The strawweight champion!
joe rogan
She's screaming, who's next?
If you're a 115-pound woman, you're like, fuck that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck.
Fuck getting smashed like that.
brian simpson
What happened to her, though?
She gone?
joe rogan
She just retired.
Yeah, she lost to Zhang Weili, and then she retired.
That was her last hurrah.
She had a lot of wars, man.
And those, they pay a price, you know?
I mean, Amanda Nunes just retired.
She's the GOAT. She had to retire.
She said her legs aren't working right.
Her legs have nerve damage, she said, from kicking too much ass.
Oh, right, right.
brian simpson
Yeah, no, I get that.
Retire is the GOAT. Don't, you know...
Like you said, we never get to see fighters really retire.
It's always too late.
It's never, like, early enough, you know?
joe rogan
There's very few that retire at the right time.
Very few.
brian simpson
I don't know any athletes that don't have some kind of long-term injury that's never gonna...
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know?
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Especially combat sports.
brian simpson
Especially fighters, yeah.
joe rogan
It's just so brutal on your body.
I mean, you're literally practicing breaking people's bodies, and just the practice is brutal.
So you're getting all this damage just from practice, and then you're having cage fights with people that are going 100% trying to kill you.
brian simpson
Man, that's why every athlete, when you see them in an interview, and they go...
Yeah, I'm healthier than I've ever been.
It's like, no, you're not, motherfucker.
That's what you're supposed to say.
This is the best I've ever felt.
No, it ain't.
No way.
joe rogan
Well, some of them have pulled it off.
It's amazing how some guys just don't get injured that much.
It's real weird.
brian simpson
LeBron James.
joe rogan
He spends a lot of money though on just maintaining his health, just maintaining his massages and physical therapy.
He treats his body like it's a pit crew at a race stop.
He's in a race car.
brian simpson
That's the money maker.
He might be the most durable superstar that's ever played any sport.
joe rogan
Does he very, very rarely get injured?
brian simpson
I can only remember him being like, I mean, he's never been seriously injured, like when he had to miss a whole season or nothing like that.
That's never happened.
And I think the first time he really got hurt for real was like recently, in year 18 or something.
joe rogan
Wow.
How old is he now?
39. 39?
jamie vernon
He may have needed foot surgery in the offseason, but I don't think they're going to say that.
brian simpson
Oh, like he just started getting injured at a time where most people have had multiple surgeries by now.
unidentified
Bro, they probably get him the best stem cells.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They fly him straight to Ukraine.
Yeah, bro.
brian simpson
No, they fly him to the jungle and knock a child out in the jungle right there and just take their shit.
joe rogan
If you're of that kind of resources, like you're a super athlete, the doctors that you're in contact with must be just top.
brian simpson
If I was a superstar in the NBA, the first thing I would do is call Magda Johnson and be like, where are your doctors at?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
I want them working on every problem, my guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Because remember the whole HIV thing?
Nobody had heard of nobody beating HIV before him.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Yeah, so that's the first doctor I want to see.
joe rogan
I wonder what medication he took, if he took anything.
Back in the day when everybody was taking AZT and dying.
brian simpson
Yeah, well, I think by the time he had it, AZT wasn't the main thing they was giving you.
But also, I think he had the resources to mitigate all the side effects.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
But I don't know.
But you know what's funny?
My uncle was HIV positive.
He lived for a long time.
joe rogan
Jeff Scott was HIV positive.
brian simpson
Right, right.
Yeah, and that dude.
Now, see, that's a survivor because Jeff Scott had it when it was grids.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
It was gay-related disease.
joe rogan
The key weapon beginning was a regimen of three or four antiretroviral drugs, collectively known as antiretroviral therapy, or ART. So it was after the AZT days.
They told me that the three-drug combination was going to save my life, and they were right.
Hmm.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
There you go.
brian simpson
So why they wouldn't give that shit to everybody?
joe rogan
Maybe they didn't have it yet.
Maybe it was just like...
brian simpson
Maybe it was just super expensive at the time.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe insurance didn't cover it.
brian simpson
Yeah, but now...
You know what's so funny?
Isn't it wild how now we...
joe rogan
No one's scared of it.
brian simpson
It's not that...
Well, I still don't want to get it.
But it's not a death sentence no more.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Yeah.
It's still going to significantly diminish how many people will fuck you, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you're honest.
brian simpson
You gotta be honest.
joe rogan
Yeah, about that one.
brian simpson
You gotta be honest about that one.
If it's not a life-threatening thing, I don't think you've got to be honest about everything.
joe rogan
That was the scariest thing about AIDS is that there's a thing that you get from having sex that could kill you, but you're going to want to have sex.
brian simpson
So be careful.
joe rogan
Be careful.
brian simpson
You don't want to die.
Whenever it's the most dangerous to fuck, that's what people be fucking the most.
That didn't stop nobody from fucking.
joe rogan
Nope.
Not for a second.
brian simpson
That's why it's wild to me when politicians try to...
When they try to legislate morality, it was like, hey, you're not going to stop people from fucking.
joe rogan
Yeah, and not only that, you're not going to stop fucking, so shut up.
brian simpson
Speaking of, bro, you know, I told you Mexico just passed, just legalized abortion nationwide.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were talking about that last night.
brian simpson
Mexico's ahead of us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
In social...
joe rogan
Well, also, they recognize an opportunity for tourism.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
What do you think about that?
joe rogan
100%.
They already have a stem cell tourism.
They have an Ibogaine therapy tourism.
brian simpson
Yeah, I gotta visit Mexico legitly instead of just the border towns.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Mexico is a beautiful place.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a beautiful place, but it's just like...
It's kind of fucked because of America.
Because of American drug laws.
Like, American drug laws have propped up the cartel just like Prohibition propped up the mob.
brian simpson
Do you think the cartel is paying lobbyists to keep drugs illegal here?
joe rogan
If I was a cartel, I would do that.
brian simpson
That would be the smart move.
joe rogan
If you could get a hold of them.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you could call them up.
brian simpson
My friend.
That cartel shit...
joe rogan
What do we have to do?
brian simpson
It blows my mind that, like...
We were helping the cartels move drugs into the country while simultaneously enforcing drugs being illegal.
joe rogan
Who's we?
Who's doing that?
brian simpson
I mean, just us as a country.
Like, the CIA was letting cocaine come in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
But at the same time, the DEA was arresting drug traffickers.
I think the cocaine was how the CIA was paying for certain stuff because it was money they didn't have to be in the federal budget.
joe rogan
That's definitely the case with Oliver North.
That was the case in There was a case with Freeway Ricky Ross in Compton in South Central LA. And we found out about it because of this guy, Michael Rupert, who was on the podcast back in the day.
Michael Rupert was in that documentary, Collapse.
Did you ever see that documentary?
It's a documentary about the collapse of peak oil and societal collapse because we're so dependent upon fossil fuels.
Turned out to not be correct.
But what he was predicting.
But what he was right about was how dependent we are on fossil fuels.
And he was detailing the supply chain.
So he's sitting there.
The whole documentary is him sitting there in this room on a folding chair just smoking cigarettes.
And just telling you why all these things are a problem, because they're all connected.
And it's a very compelling documentary.
Well, Michael Rupert was a narcotics officer in L.A., and he caught the CIA selling drugs in South Central L.A. and then exposed it on a hearing on CNN, like this big town hearing.
Have you ever seen this?
brian simpson
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Jamie will pull it up.
It's wild.
He was a really interesting guy.
Last time I saw him, he gave me mushrooms.
brian simpson
How did they catch him?
joe rogan
How did he catch the CIA? Well, he was a narcotics officer.
So he was arresting people for selling drugs.
Here, play this.
michael ruppert
I am a former Los Angeles police narcotics detective, and I work South Central Los Angeles, and I will tell you, Director Deutsch, emphatically...
juanita m mcdonald
Can you speak further into the mic, sir?
These mics don't seem to be...
michael ruppert
I will tell you, Director Deutsch, as a former Los Angeles police narcotics detective, that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time.
unidentified
All right.
juanita m mcdonald
All right!
Alright, obviously that is an answer for a lot of you.
Now can you please?
Alright, now can you please?
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
So that guy at the table is from the CIA.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait a minute here.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
If you don't like what's going on here, please leave now.
No, no, no.
michael ruppert
Leave.
juanita m mcdonald
No, no, no.
Leave now because there are others who do want to hear what's going on in this room.
Will you please take your seats?
I will come back to you as we roll back across to the center section.
michael ruppert
Director Deutsch, I will refer you to three specific agency operations known as Amadeus, Pegasus, and Watchtower.
I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency.
I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country.
I have been trying to get this out for 18 years, and I have the evidence.
My question for you is very specific, sir.
If in the course of the IG's investigations, and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity, or will you tell the American people the truth?
juanita m mcdonald
Alright, do you want to hear the response first from Congressman Julian Dixon, and then from the director?
unidentified
I want to hear the director of the CIA.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait a minute!
From York, from York, I'm sorry, sir.
I will allow the director to speak first and then Congressman Julian Dixon.
john deutch
If you have information about CIA illegal activity in drugs, you should immediately bring that information Wow, now you're playing in my face.
juanita m mcdonald
I am sorry.
Others want to hear this answer.
john deutch
It is your choice, the Los Angeles Police Department, the Inspector General, or office of one of your congresspersons from this...
unidentified
I did that 18 years ago, sir, and I got shot at for it.
juanita m mcdonald
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, sir.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, sir.
And?
Sir, you have not gotten the mic yet.
You are not.
But wait a minute, then don't speak out of turn.
michael ruppert
Let me say something else.
john deutch
If this information turns up wrongdoing, if it turns up wrongdoing, we will bring the people to justice and make them accountable.
joe rogan
Just imagine you think there's even a possibility that's true.
unidentified
What do you say?
joe rogan
If it's true...
brian simpson
Well...
joe rogan
If it's true...
I've heard rumblings.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
Which is a magical way.
Hey, bring it to one of the offices where we have people that work for us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They'll definitely take care of it appropriately.
brian simpson
Right.
I'm surprised they let him live.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was worried about it, too.
brian simpson
Well, they...
But they know...
See, they know that if they kill you, it makes what you said seem true.
If they let you live, they can always accuse you of being crazy.
joe rogan
He wound up taking his own life.
brian simpson
Where?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think his health was veiling him.
He's getting older.
And it's just like that life is very...
The life of exposing extreme corruption all the time and being right about it is very scary.
It's a horrible life.
brian simpson
You gotta be willing to kill a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just a horrible life.
And to go from being a guy who's a narcotics officer in L.A. and discovers that and just gets dragged down this rabbit hole...
Did you see the movie collapse, though?
It's pretty interesting.
See if you've got a trailer.
brian simpson
Yeah, it's like no CIA agent has gone to prison for cocaine trafficking.
Weird.
And that's how it gets here.
Weird.
That's crazy.
Weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, Freeway Ricky Ross, he's been on the podcast a couple times, too, and he's the guy who was selling it in South Central Los Angeles.
He didn't even know what he was a part of, that he was funding.
michael ruppert
Maybe the greatest preventable holocaust in the history of planet Earth.
I have 30 years of experience as an investigative journalist.
I've broken major scandals.
Going out to try and map how the world really worked as opposed to the way we were told it worked.
Our map has proven deadly accurate.
My economic predictions, we had it so right.
In 2006, we said, get out of debt right now.
Check your mortgage carefully.
We issued a whole series of warnings.
unidentified
There will be nothing like we have ever seen before.
Everything that we said was gonna happen is taking place right now.
michael ruppert
Gold prices, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the stock market.
It's not that Bernie Madoff was a pyramid scheme.
The whole economy is a pyramid scheme.
Of course I've been called a conspiracy theorist.
But I don't deal in conspiracy theory, I deal in conspiracy fact.
The mortal blow to human industrialized civilization will happen when oil prices spike and nobody can afford to buy that oil and everything will just shut down.
Unlike the Great Depression, we do not have infinite resources.
Nothing grows forever.
There is a cycle.
Birth, growth, maturation, decline and death.
Cars don't run.
The mail stops getting delivered.
Planes don't fly.
Law enforcement stops working.
This is all part of the collapse.
If you're in a camp and a bear attacks, you don't have to be faster than the bear.
You only have to be faster than the slowest camper.
The challenge being faced by the human race now is either evolve or perish, grow up or die.
You have to believe, not hope, not pray that there's a way out of it and you're going to find it.
unidentified
He's basically a prepper.
joe rogan
He was.
He's basically telling you, start growing your own food.
Get something that you can treat water with.
This is a fragile society we live in.
That's completely depending on us sucking blood out of the earth to pump everything.
That's what we're doing.
We're sucking the blood of the earth that we use to make plastic and jet fuel.
Yeah.
Silicon.
I mean, think about all the different plastic parts that are just in electronics.
It's oil.
brian simpson
You know, it's part of the reason why we couldn't really...
Why the sanctions on Russia didn't really stick.
We hit Russia with the most economic sanctions that anyone's ever been hit with.
And it's barely phased them because...
joe rogan
They sell oil.
brian simpson
They sell oil.
They're the number two, I think the number two oil supplier in the world, and then maybe number one natural gas supplier.
And China buys, China like needs them.
joe rogan
What?
brian simpson
And so does Europe.
joe rogan
Who got hurt most by the pipeline shutting down?
brian simpson
At first it was Europe.
joe rogan
It was Europe?
brian simpson
Yeah.
Yeah, because they...
joe rogan
And now are they just buying gas from Russia?
brian simpson
Europe?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
No, now they have...
Now they're buying...
I think their gas comes from, you know, us.
joe rogan
Mostly us.
No, that was from Russia to Europe, right?
brian simpson
Right.
From Russia to Europe.
Europe was their number one customer.
joe rogan
And someone blew it up.
Someone.
brian simpson
Someone.
Well, the sanctions made Europe stop buying gas from Russia.
I don't know who blew up the pipe or why.
joe rogan
Probably us.
Yeah, they say it's us.
That's what Seymour Hersh said.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, come on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
We probably blew up that plane, too.
That had that...
joe rogan
Pogosian in it?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think so?
brian simpson
I think so.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, it's either Putin or us.
You know, it wasn't an accident.
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely.
When a guy's about to surge Moscow with tanks, And he turns around and goes back.
He doesn't have much time to live.
brian simpson
Yeah, you gotta take that man out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy's...
He's dangerous.
brian simpson
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what he thought.
And, like, his whole...
His whole leadership was on that plane, which is also crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, you don't see...
joe rogan
It's pretty wild.
brian simpson
The vice president don't fly with the president.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It is crazy.
brian simpson
Along with, like, the third, fourth, and fifth person in the line.
They never on the same plane.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
Imagine if both planes went down.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
I wonder, is the vice president's plane Air Force 2?
Is that what they call it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Probably.
Makes sense, right?
brian simpson
Yeah, I think so.
Well, it turns out that the Air Force One is whatever plane the president's on.
I mean, it is a specific plane, I guess.
Maybe there's two or three of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Air Force Two's call sign held by any United States Air Force aircraft carrying the Vice President.
joe rogan
There's something absolutely hilarious about Trump's name on his plane.
Just Trump.
brian simpson
Oh, he used the Trump plane for his presidential shit?
joe rogan
No, I mean, he does it now.
He flies around the Trump plane now.
I'm sure he's got more than one plane, too, but he's got a giant-ass one, like a commercial plane.
brian simpson
What's the point of that?
joe rogan
He's got a lot of room in there.
How big is Trump's plane?
Isn't it like a 767 or something crazy like that?
unidentified
The Trump Force one is a 757. 757. Oh, they call it Trump Force One?
joe rogan
That's a big-ass plane.
What does it look like inside?
The pictures of the inside of Trump's plane?
jamie vernon
Um...
joe rogan
I bet there's a lot of dudes who compete who's got the most baller interior in your private chat.
brian simpson
Just imagine.
Imagine eating dinner with Trump.
He wants his Wagyu A5 well done.
joe rogan
That's what it looks like?
Looks like a normal jet.
It's a hundred million dollars?
Damn.
So he's got like a little desk there.
That's like a...
Just a big ass private jet.
It looks very nice.
Yeah.
Big screen in the back.
jamie vernon
This is Air Force One.
It's got like a...
joe rogan
Air Force One's got like a fucking U.S. office.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Is there really like a pod in Air Force One where the president can go in and parachute to the ground?
brian simpson
I guarantee there is.
joe rogan
There's some way.
Imagine being in the Secret Service knowing you're gonna die and you gotta get Biden in that pod.
brian simpson
Well knowing you might have to go to prison with Trump.
How is that going to work?
Who's volunteering for that?
You got to spend some of your days in prison because they got to be with him no matter what.
joe rogan
Even if he's in prison?
brian simpson
Even if he's in prison.
joe rogan
They have to protect him until he dies.
So if he goes to prison, Secret Service has to protect him in prison?
brian simpson
Yeah, for the rest of your life.
If you were ever president, you get that protection forever.
joe rogan
Is that true?
brian simpson
Well, the thing is, it's never happened before.
No president's ever gone to prison.
So I think they would avoid sending him to prison just for that complication.
jamie vernon
It was just in the movie, Air Force One.
brian simpson
What?
jamie vernon
That was just a thing for the movie.
joe rogan
Oh, the pod, the escape pod?
jamie vernon
Yeah, like Harrison Ford.
brian simpson
Oh, but you don't think there's really a way?
Because, bro, you know what?
I just found out that there's really another secret subway system in the Capitol.
joe rogan
What?
brian simpson
Yeah, that the politicians use, the president uses.
That's why you never see Obama walking from the White House to Congress.
He just pops up at Congress because he can just get...
There's like a...
jamie vernon
It's tiny too.
joe rogan
The political elite subway system.
brian simpson
Yep.
joe rogan
They must feel like ballers.
brian simpson
Oh my god.
joe rogan
You know when you're running the country?
This is it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
It's small, and they're like see-through carts, and they all see each other when they're going from room to room also.
joe rogan
Was this in House of Cards?
jamie vernon
I think it has been.
brian simpson
Yeah, it has been, but also he killed people in the regular subway.
joe rogan
Yeah, he killed someone in the regular subway, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a great fucking show.
brian simpson
It was so good.
joe rogan
Such a good show.
And it made you wonder...
Like, okay, I mean, obviously this is fiction, but how much is real?
How much is accurate?
How much of it this is based on what people know about how psychotic...
brian simpson
All those things have happened.
It probably didn't happen to the people.
They probably changed the names and situations and stuff, but they've definitely murdered people.
joe rogan
For sure.
Well, they certainly, I mean, if you just think about what they're willing to do in other countries that they know is not true.
That's going to cost lives.
Sacrifice people left and right.
They don't think about that at all.
Like, when you're talking about, say, drone strikes.
You know, drone strikes are the ratio of innocent people that get killed by drones.
It's crazy, crazy high.
brian simpson
But you can justify that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So if you can justify that, of course you can justify taking out some asshole who's causing problems.
brian simpson
Especially if you're really a true believer.
Like, if you really...
If you really thought that you were right and everyone else was wrong about the direction America should go in, wouldn't you do anything in your power to make sure your vision came to true?
Yeah.
So they're willing to do anything.
And some of them just weren't powerful, but most of them, I think, to them, they genuinely believe.
Like, they believe their bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Long ago.
So they genuinely believe that they're doing what's best, and the other side is trying to destroy everything.
So they'll cheat.
They'll kill, steal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Especially if you consider how every single ruling class throughout history has done that to their people.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They've all done it.
And they've all assassinated each other.
Like, the idea that that's stopped now...
brian simpson
And think about the fact, they want their grip on power so badly that no matter how many signs of dementia and deterioration that are exhibited by Joe Biden or Mitch McConnell or Dianne Feinstein, no one's calling for him to resign.
The motherfucker froze up twice.
How is that acceptable to anybody?
joe rogan
It's like if you're having a FaceTime call with someone in bad service.
brian simpson
Right!
joe rogan
Just freeze up.
brian simpson
Like Mitch McConnell was getting the update.
He was back buffering.
I don't know.
joe rogan
He's just...
Really old.
brian simpson
And then they get the federal doctors to say, oh, it wasn't a stroke.
What the fuck was it then?
joe rogan
It wasn't a stroke.
It's brain short-circuited.
It didn't bleed.
Just shut off parts of it.
brian simpson
But it was something that means you shouldn't be making major decisions.
You can go sit your ass down.
joe rogan
The face he made.
Like, what kind of hell have I found myself in at 80 years old?
What have I done?
There's no joy left in my life.
brian simpson
He's like, I'm not going anywhere.
joe rogan
The Kentucky Republican said he would finish his term as leader, which runs through 2024, and in the Senate, where he was elected to serve through 2026. Of course he is.
Why shouldn't he?
brian simpson
I got news for you, Mitch.
You're not going to make it that long, bro.
joe rogan
Well, maybe he wants to die out there.
brian simpson
Yeah, those freezers are going to get longer and longer and longer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What I'm asking is, at what point do, even if you're on his side, at what point do you go, we can't go back?
What has to happen for you to be like, he's done?
joe rogan
Well, you start looking for other jobs immediately, for sure.
If you're in the staff, you start looking for other jobs right now.
brian simpson
I think he would have to do something that not even the shrewdest spin doctor could explain away.
joe rogan
See, the thing is though, the problem is, if he's loyal to his party, and this is the problem with a lot of them, you don't want to give up your seat.
Because then there's another election, right?
And then someone else comes in, and that person could be a Republican.
brian simpson
Well, the thing is, it's another election, but in most states, The governor of the state gets to appoint the replacement senator until the election.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, and so Kentucky's one of those rare states where all their senators are on the right, but their governor is a Democrat.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian simpson
And I think they're trying to introduce legislation where the governor doesn't get to pick, like the same party gets to choose, because that's what they're afraid of.
Of course.
That's why they won't let D.C. be a state.
That's why they won't let Puerto Rico be a state, because it's automatically blue.
Right, right, right.
D.C. has been blue forever.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
But when we have a senator, we don't have voting power.
He can't vote.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
brian simpson
Yeah, D.C. is the only city in America that has taxation without representation.
joe rogan
Do you think the Electoral College makes sense, or do you think people should just be one person, one vote?
brian simpson
That's tough.
Because I understand the reasoning behind the Electoral College.
Because they didn't want the biggest states to just dominate choices for everyone.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
But I think that's just antiquated now, man.
Yeah, just for president?
I don't even think it should go by state.
It should just be straight up popular vote for the whole country.
Maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, like when Hillary won the popular vote.
But Trump won the Electoral College.
A lot of people are like, well, that's some bullshit.
brian simpson
Yeah, but were you only saying that because it was not to your benefit?
joe rogan
No.
No, I wasn't a Hillary fan.
But I thought about it and I was like, that is some bullshit.
Like, if you win, more people want you and we're all together.
Like, what is this funky Electoral College bullshit about?
And I get what you just explained.
It makes sense.
But still, part of me is like, fuck out of here with that.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
How much did she win by?
I think Hillary won by a lot.
brian simpson
By a whole lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, what was the margin of her victory in the overall votes?
I think her overall votes were way higher.
brian simpson
Yeah, but see, the other side of that, though, is, too, is like, but if we go to only popular vote, that means the small states basically don't count.
joe rogan
What do you think it would have been like if she won?
brian simpson
I think it would have been more of the same from Obama, but maybe a little more corporate.
joe rogan
There'd definitely been less ladies with sock hats screaming in the streets.
What is the number?
Three million.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Almost three million.
She beat him by almost three million votes in the popular vote.
brian simpson
But he won most of the states.
joe rogan
Yeah, 304 to 227 in Electoral College.
That's kind of crazy.
Isn't that kind of crazy?
brian simpson
It's wild.
joe rogan
It is kind of crazy.
It's just weird.
brian simpson
At the same time, though, the bigger states have the most votes.
California's 55. That's nuts.
joe rogan
That is nuts.
California's so dangerous.
brian simpson
Well, it's the biggest state by population.
So how many electoral votes you get is based on population.
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
But even in that state, there's a lot of people outside of Los Angeles and outside of San Francisco that are red.
If you drive up through Fresno, drive up that area, it's all farmers and shit like that.
It's a very rural part of California that people forget about.
brian simpson
I think the thing we really need to change is we need a parliamentary system so that it's not just two parties.
joe rogan
That's a good idea.
And also, we need to be able to take corporate money out.
jamie vernon
That's the craziest thing about California.
joe rogan
Only five countries have a bigger GDP than California, including America.
jamie vernon
Including the one it's in.
joe rogan
Wow.
So we're above France, India, Italy, and Brazil in California.
United Kingdom is just slightly more GDP than California.
jamie vernon
That's insane.
joe rogan
There's so many people there, man.
It makes sense.
It's just like, what are they doing to that state?
What are they doing?
Between the homelessness and the smashing grabs and the fucking defunding the police and the not arresting people for shoplifting and like...
What are you doing?
Are you guys trying to ruin that state?
brian simpson
It's Burning Man.
The state's slowly turning into Burning Man.
joe rogan
It's way worse than Burning Man.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's Mad Max.
brian simpson
You know, I visited there recently.
You know, it is certain stuff that I miss, you know, because there's a certain feeling and nostalgia about L.A., you know?
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
brian simpson
Where you get there and you're like, yeah, this is L.A. And then after a few days, it was like visiting family.
It was like after a few days, I'm like, okay, I'm good.
I remember why I left.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of great stuff about LA. Oh, man, yeah.
But it's just not the same LA. The way I describe it, it's like you had an ex-girlfriend, she used to be really cool, and then you meet her a few years later and she's on meth and she works for the cartel.
Like, what happened?
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
brian simpson
She's got scars from stuff and combing her titties.
joe rogan
She's just all fucked up.
Like, yeah, well, take care.
It's just...
brian simpson
We've all been there.
joe rogan
It's been, you know, it's been ravaged.
The city's been ravaged.
You know, it's just a different place now.
It's a different place.
And I don't know what the fuck is ever going to turn that around, other than some radical shift in the way they run the government.
And then a massive uptick in doing something to mitigate crime.
You got to do something in the community, with police.
brian simpson
They really have to go over how they're spending their money.
joe rogan
Yeah, that too.
Like, how come you guys haven't done jack shit about this homeless problem?
Like, where's that money going?
brian simpson
Because there's big business in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's exactly what it is.
brian simpson
Yeah, when I discovered, when I was homeless and I was living in that shelter, and I discovered that, because something occurred to me, because there's a certain amount of money they get just from the VA, right?
So these, because it was a veteran's homeless shelter, they get a grant from the VA, but they also get money from the state, money from the county, and money from the city.
And when I found out how much all that money was, and the only reason I looked into it was because the food was shitty.
The food was fucking terrible.
And I'm like, wait a minute, how much money do these motherfuckers get?
And I did all the math, and I just estimated all their salaries, like overproposed it.
And when it was all left over, it was like millions of dollars left over.
joe rogan
You did this math?
brian simpson
Yeah, I did this math.
It was a point where we didn't have proper cleaning supplies.
We would run out of toilet paper.
The food was like the bottom of the barrel, just gross bullshit.
And it just didn't add up.
And then...
And then, you know, I was told, well, you don't understand the inner workings of nonprofits and all this other bullshit.
And then right after that, the guy running the place relapsed.
He came to work fucked up.
He took the meth that he caught somebody else with.
Every now and then they would sweep through the rooms and check for drugs and shit like that.
When they caught you, they would kick you out and take your drugs.
It was just his drug.
He came to work the next day.
I'm talking about gone, Joe.
A completely different person.
One slip up.
He was up all night.
On that meth and tried to come to work like it wasn't shit.
And we was all looking at him like, motherfucker, you are definitely not you.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
Yeah, it was crazy.
And when that happened, then all of a sudden the CEO of the nonprofit or the CFO came by, you know, pulled up in a Phantom or a Bentley or something crazy.
And then everything started changing.
The food got more gourmet.
You know, all of a sudden they got everybody new beds like fucking memory foam mattresses in a homeless shelter because it was like they didn't want it to get looked into any furthers.
So they knew when people came around to ask us questions, they ain't want us complaining about shit.
joe rogan
So there's probably no oversight.
brian simpson
There's no oversight.
There's so much money.
And when you look up that company, They'll tell you, because every non-profit has to do earnings report, but there's no penalty for the numbers not adding up.
So you can look up how much money they brought in and how much money was unaccounted for.
And they don't shut them down for that.
It's just reported.
And these guys, millions and millions of dollars is always unaccounted for.
Non-profit does not mean they're not making money.
joe rogan
Well, look what the Black Lives Matter ladies did.
They went and bought houses.
brian simpson
Really?
Wait a minute, what do you mean Black Lives Matter ladies did?
joe rogan
You don't know about that?
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a bunch of houses that one of the ladies bought for millions of dollars.
brian simpson
You gotta watch out for people that are catering to you.
Like, you belong to a certain group.
You're like, outside of every fucking...
Every military base.
joe rogan
Secret $6 million home has allies and critics skeptical of BLM's foundation finances.
So a group of Black Lives Matter leaders are facing questions about the purchase of a $6 million home in Southern California.
It was bought with donations made to the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation.
The transaction is raising questions about how the social justice organization is using donations.
Yeah, there's a bunch of investigations into that.
brian simpson
And that's NPR, too.
That's not even like...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not like some conspiracy theory website.
Yeah, it's real.
brian simpson
I told you.
Look, outside every base, there's car dealerships and all kind of shit that's like, Four veterans, owned by veterans, they're just there to fuck you over.
Anybody that's like, oh yeah, you, I'm here just for you, you gotta be skeptical of them.
Yeah, you know how we do.
Everybody's like, okay, let me see what you're going on.
When are you opening that school?
I'm gonna give you $100 a year for 10 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you got a loan and you got very little credit, they just jack up your interest rate and you sign off on it because you really want that car.
brian simpson
Oh yeah, I think I'm about to make that mistake.
joe rogan
No, you're not.
No, you're making money, man.
You should be spending it.
Have fun.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.
joe rogan
You need something comfortable that feels good when you get in it.
brian simpson
Also, I think the planet's in there.
It's like, I'm not gonna act like there's gonna be shit here in 50 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're in a time of great change.
Like, legitimately.
I think it's hard to see because we're in the middle of the storm.
But I think if we could look back on it historically, I think they're gonna look back on this time and think, wow, everything within a few decades changed so radically.
brian simpson
A lot of people are gonna die.
Every time there's a major change, a lot of people die, and then the world's different.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
This is a different kind of change because it's a change of technology, which theoretically, at least, would mean an improvement in medical technology to stop people from dying.
brian simpson
When you say change of technology, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
The overall shift of technology over the last 20 years with the introduction of the Internet and personal computers.
The fact that everyone's carrying around a connection to the Internet constantly.
That shift, I think...
When the historians look back on the human race, I think it's going to be like a giant explosion.
Like you have this, this graph that's like, you know, at a 15 degree curve, and then boom!
It just goes straight up to artificial intelligence and fucking robot overlords.
brian simpson
You know what the next big shift is going to be when it's implanted?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
When you're literally always connected to the internet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it'll start off with something you wear, probably.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the really good one, you have to have the operation.
I mean, people will be like, you got the operation?
No, I'm still, the wearable's pretty good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, listen, bro.
brian simpson
Like, the iPhone 30 is gonna be in your fucking skull.
joe rogan
Yeah, they keep...
I mean, everything keeps...
Meta has a new VR headset that's coming out soon.
They have a 3, don't they?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Has that been announced?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they keep getting better at these fucking things.
They're amazing.
They're getting better and better and better and better.
brian simpson
Have you put one on before?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
I talked Burden to getting one.
He was blown away.
joe rogan
They're dope.
Matt Serra was on the podcast and he says he brings it on the road with them and he plays like first-person shooters in his hotel room and he's like screaming in his hotel room.
brian simpson
The reason I stopped bringing it on the road is because the battery don't last that long.
It's just another thing I have to remember to charge.
But that's going to get better and better.
joe rogan
It'll be glasses.
brian simpson
I don't know why they haven't done this already, but it should be a separate pack that does all the computing that isn't in the headset that you're wearing on your head so it's not so heavy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the Apple one apparently is doing that.
The Apple one at least has an external battery.
brian simpson
But the Apple one has a cable, though.
I'm talking about, because now they're at the point where...
joe rogan
What does the Apple one look like?
Can you pull it up?
And the Apple one has a cable that goes to the back, and then that cable is connected to...
What is she wearing?
What's going on in her back?
brian simpson
They won't really show it to you.
jamie vernon
They haven't shown a lot.
There is a battery pack that's different than the phone's battery pack.
It also could be probably connected to their computer.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
jamie vernon
Well, that'll let you get different actions.
So, like, the battery pack is only two hours, supposedly.
So, when you're plugged into the computer, you're probably getting a little updated battery.
brian simpson
No, it's probably infinite.
joe rogan
This is iPhone 1. Okay.
That's what this is.
jamie vernon
Yeah, this supposedly isn't even going to be available for everybody to buy.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
I mean, you'll be able to buy it.
I don't mean it in that way, but it's going to be so expensive.
I think it's $3,500, and they're not going to make millions of them.
brian simpson
Amen.
joe rogan
I bet they're going to sell out quick.
jamie vernon
They probably will, and they're going to make another one.
brian simpson
You know what?
I'm the type of motherfucker that'll pay $3,500, though.
joe rogan
If you're gonna watch movies on that thing, I bet it's insane.
I bet that's insane.
Imagine you're watching a movie like this, like you're watching Vikings or some shit, you're watching people hack each other apart, like the Northmen, and you're watching that, and it's just in front of you.
brian simpson
And that close to your eye.
That could give you the equivalent of very much higher resolution.
joe rogan
Higher resolution and I bet the intensity of the scenes is overwhelming because you don't even see your body.
brian simpson
From what I hear, what Apple's done better than everyone else is the eye tracking stuff.
unidentified
It's crazy.
brian simpson
You can tell where you're looking and you can just do stuff from looking at it.
unidentified
They know where your eyes are in the Yeah, Marques Brownlee described that as magic.
jamie vernon
He said it's so cool and works so good, it's like magical.
joe rogan
Well, you know, they've had that technology for a while with Black Hawk helicopters.
brian simpson
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
They have this technology where they put this headset on.
Peter Berg was explaining it to us.
You put a headset on, the headset syncs up with the controls.
And where you look, that's where you shoot.
So that's where the crosshairs go.
So you look at an object on the ground, you're like...
You're looking through your eyes, and that's where the crosshairs go.
The crosshairs know exactly what you're looking at.
brian simpson
Dude, I can't wait.
I'm going to sign up.
joe rogan
How wild.
brian simpson
I will be the third person that has surgery.
I'm not going to be the first one, but I'll be the third one.
joe rogan
I will talk to you for six months, and then I'll consider it.
How you feeling today, Brian?
One of those days.
How you doing, brother?
What's going on?
You alright?
brian simpson
I get so hyped about technology.
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Well, it's...
You know, it's fascinating stuff.
brian simpson
It's like when that guy walked in the green room yesterday and I was like, oh shit, are those the B&Os?
And he was like, I don't know.
I was so disappointed.
joe rogan
Yeah, he has no idea what kind of headphones he's carrying.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
You know, it's almost like seeing somebody buy like a classic Mustang and it's just a commuter car for them and they don't know anything about it.
unidentified
Right.
brian simpson
They never open it up.
joe rogan
Oh, my dad gave it to me.
It's a car.
brian simpson
Oh, right.
It's like, Oh, you motherfucker, you don't know what that could do?
joe rogan
It's just a 68 Mustang.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I just, I get that way.
joe rogan
Bro, you gotta be committed to drive one of those every day.
brian simpson
Yeah?
joe rogan
You gotta be really committed.
Yeah.
They are not reliable.
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
That's a fucking 54, 53-year-old car.
brian simpson
But none of those cars are.
joe rogan
55-year-old car.
brian simpson
Yeah, none of those muscle cars from back then are really reliable.
joe rogan
No.
brian simpson
You know?
joe rogan
Not now.
Especially not now.
But even back then, they weren't that reliable.
brian simpson
I'm looking at some sensible cars right now.
joe rogan
Sensible?
I don't like it.
brian simpson
You don't like sensible cars?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, Brian.
We've had this discussion.
I'm not interested in sensible.
brian simpson
Actually, you know what's crazy?
Actually, I hate that.
I don't want to get these motherfuckers' attention.
But the hybrid joints now, they have real high horsepower.
It's kind of crazy that you can get...
I test drove a Volvo Recharge, the S60 and S90. It's a hybrid?
It's a hybrid.
Well, the thing is now, all their cars are semi-hybrid, at least.
So they all have an electric motor of some kind.
But the plug-in hybrid, yeah, the S6 had like 455 horsepower.
joe rogan
Whoa.
brian simpson
Yeah, and it's a four-cylinder engine.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, it's a four-cylinder inline Oh, that looks dope.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You should get one of those.
Why don't you get one of those?
brian simpson
I'm really thinking about getting one.
unidentified
Let me see that thing.
brian simpson
I'm thinking about getting one right now.
joe rogan
That's dope.
brian simpson
That's the last one I test drove.
joe rogan
That looks beautiful.
And Volvos have like a great safety record, right?
That looks very good.
That's a very good looking car.
brian simpson
Yeah, look at the stats.
joe rogan
A lot of those Volvos, can you show me some more pictures?
A lot of those Volvos to me, they're always like a little, I think if you can, there's a little thing on it you can click.
brian simpson
They're very simple.
joe rogan
Yeah, well I used to think they were kind of dull, but this is not dull.
This is a very good looking car.
brian simpson
No, it's definitely an old man brand, but I'm an old man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but what does that mean?
I would buy one of those if I was 20. That's a dope car.
That's a dope luxury car.
brian simpson
It just means young people don't think it's cool.
joe rogan
That's a Swedish company, right?
brian simpson
455 horsepower.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
I mean, it's not a lot for cars of today.
My Tesla has 1100. Oh, yeah.
brian simpson
My boy was just talking to me about this, but remember when like 250 horsepower was crazy?
That wasn't that long ago.
joe rogan
Not that long ago.
brian simpson
Like late 90s, it was like 250 horsepower, he's crazy.
unidentified
Now 600, 700,000.
joe rogan
I have a 1993 Porsche.
It's an RS America.
So it was like the little hot rod, stripped down version of the 911. It has no air conditioning, no radio, no power steering.
It's less than 3,000 pounds.
And from the factory, mine's a little juiced up.
I had it worked on.
But it's only 300 horsepower now.
And from the factory, I think it was like...
brian simpson
I want to say it was like 270. But you know what else I loved about that Volvo when I test drove it?
Because I was thinking about that one.
It's a Mercedes I was looking at.
But I remember you telling me the button.
Like just having certain things just be buttons instead of on the touchscreen.
Yeah, fuck that touchscreen.
Because for me it's like the volume has to be a button.
Yeah.
Changing the drive mode, that's got to be a button.
Certain stuff, things that you need to happen instantly, that should be a button.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, I don't need to go into the menus and turn up, you know?
It's not as flashy as a Mercedes or an Audi.
joe rogan
It's undercover.
Audis are nice.
Have you seen the Audi electric one?
I saw one of those the other day.
Pull that up.
That Audi electric one is fucking dope.
brian simpson
I'm looking at it.
joe rogan
That's a dope car.
Audi makes a fantastic car.
Great handling.
brian simpson
The driving experience in an Audi is always great.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're like BMWs.
All their cars are fucking awesome.
Yeah.
What is it called?
What's their electric cool...
brian simpson
That's it.
E-Tron.
joe rogan
Look at that thing, man.
brian simpson
That's badass.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a...
And when you see one in real life, you're like, oh, that's a sweet car.
brian simpson
It's starting at 100k.
I ain't got that on me.
joe rogan
It's only 523 horsepower.
Interesting.
With Boost engaged.
Interesting.
So they probably have, maybe it has a longer range or it's lighter or something like that.
What's the range?
brian simpson
Look at one of the Mercedes, like, AMG. 270, well, 249 miles.
joe rogan
That's low.
That's lower than the Tesla.
Interesting.
brian simpson
Yeah, I mean, I think you get the...
You get the most out of the electric combined with the gas.
joe rogan
Well, you know who made a great version of that?
They stopped making it, sadly, is the Acura, the NSX. Oh, really?
The last one was a hybrid.
It was a hybrid turbocharged engine, and I think it might have had electric engines on front and rear wheels.
brian simpson
See, you know, Volvo used to do that.
They took out the supercharger because it was just...
It was creating more problems.
It would break more often.
It was just one added thing in the chain that could break.
joe rogan
There it is.
That's the farewell to the NSX that, for whatever reason, did not sell that good.
And I don't know why, because it's amazing, although I never owned one.
But I did own the old ones.
It only sold 2,548 globally.
Wow.
That's crazy.
brian simpson
Yeah, dude, cars are getting faster and faster.
joe rogan
But I think it's also, like, unfortunately, that brand, Acura, it's not associated with the kind of cars that people want to buy.
That's a dope-looking car, though, man.
Look at that thing.
It's just not associated anymore with cars that, like, young people who buy those kind of cars want to drive.
brian simpson
And not just that, but it's like, because that's kind of the problem I was running into with the Volvo thing, was, like, that's a cool car, but for the same amount of money...
For a little bit more money, you can get a Mercedes.
joe rogan
You can get a Porsche.
brian simpson
Right.
So it's like...
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem is its status thing, too.
brian simpson
It's like, well, I'm going to buy a $70,000 Acura or a $100,000 Acura when I can go get a $100,000 Benz or a $100,000 BMW. I had a watch on once, and this dude looked at it.
joe rogan
He goes, that's a dope watch.
What is it?
I go, it's a Seiko.
He's like, oh.
Like, oh.
brian simpson
Oh, he doesn't know nothing about it.
joe rogan
Well, just because it's a Seiko, because it's a Seiko instead of like a Rolex or something like that.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Seiko makes regular watches.
brian simpson
People have real brainwashing that way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Where like, once they find out, like, those shoes are fucking ugly.
And I go, oh, but these are, you know, these are Gucci.
And they go, oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, now they like them.
brian simpson
It's like, now you like them?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's weird, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, people get brainwashed, and the Acura thing is one of them.
But the old NSX sold real well.
The old NSX, the first one that came out, I think that only had 250 horsepower, or maybe 270. I care about how I feel in the car, really, more than anything.
brian simpson
To me, it's like, once you pass 300 horsepower, you know, you...
You don't need...
That's all for you.
That's all extra.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's all extra.
brian simpson
Yeah, about 300 is enough where you can pass most people on the highway.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
And that's all you need.
Everything after that is just funsies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if you're just driving around, why are you going that fast?
Unless you want to merge on the highway.
That's one thing about the Tesla.
When you have to merge on the highway, it's like...
brian simpson
Yeah, well, especially out here because the highway is all fucking weirdly designed.
Very weirdly designed.
There's very little space between the on-ramp and the off-ramp, so you've got to get on and merge immediately.
I think it's one of the most dangerous highway systems in the country.
joe rogan
It's goofy.
brian simpson
Yeah, it was made for when top speeds was...
You know, 40 miles an hour, like horse and buggies or some shit.
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's not well designed.
brian simpson
No.
joe rogan
I think it definitely was not designed for this many people either.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think they just never anticipated the kind of growth.
brian simpson
Austin's real slow to do what makes sense.
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah!
I remember when I first got here, and I was so pissed because the wintertime fucked everything up, and I was like, how y'all not ready for the winter?
joe rogan
It snows two years in a row, and you guys still don't have any snow plows?
brian simpson
Yeah, well, they were like, oh, it doesn't usually get cold out here.
Yeah, you know what?
America doesn't usually get attacked, but after 9-11, we did something.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
If you had a 9-11 in 2002 and 2003, you'd be like, Set some shit up?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
They haven't made any changes.
Three winters in a row, fucked up out here.
They haven't changed anything.
joe rogan
And this winter, they're saying it's gonna be bad again.
brian simpson
Oh, it's gonna be real bad.
joe rogan
How do they know?
brian simpson
You know it.
joe rogan
Because it's so hot?
brian simpson
I think, like, the same way they knew it was gonna be a really hot summer.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Well, obviously climate change, but on top of that...
The way the weather was before that, something happened where we had like a heat dome over this area.
And so we didn't have a really, really wet spring like we normally do.
And so there was no moisture left to cool it off during the summer.
So it was like extra, extra hot.
joe rogan
Dry hot.
brian simpson
Yeah.
And so I don't know shit about weather, but I think that's how they can predict that the winter is going to be even worse.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
"Unseasonably cold and stormy winter as El Nino, a climate phenomenon that often brings wetter, cooler weather to Texas, rolls in.
After a hot, hot summer, Austinites are ready for a cool down." Until the fucking roads freeze over and there's no plows!
brian simpson
Well, the problem with that, though, is El Nino was supposed to be a cooler summer, too.
But we didn't have that because of the heat, though.
I think these motherfuckers trying to predict weather, I think they all wrong from now on.
joe rogan
We were having a conversation last night, and I said this.
If the government could affect the weather, if they really had technology that could affect the weather...
Would they?
brian simpson
Yeah, they would.
And they do.
Well, they're not even hiding the cloud seeding, because they can do that.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Because they do that in Abu Dhabi, right, or Saudi Arabia?
They, like, make it rain.
joe rogan
Abu Dhabi, they make it rain once a week.
brian simpson
Okay, yeah.
joe rogan
Which is so baller.
brian simpson
Yeah, of course they can.
Of course they can.
joe rogan
That's so baller.
It never rains here.
Oh, yes, it does.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It rains once a week.
Like, every week.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
It rains every Friday at 12 o'clock.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's always been around.
Cloud seeding has been a thing.
brian simpson
But you're saying like if they could cause earthquakes, if they could make a thunderstorm.
I'm sure they would.
They definitely would.
joe rogan
Yeah, if they could do something along those lines.
Do you know the wacky conspiracy theory, and this is wacky, about the South Pole?
The South Pole is some sort of a direct energy...
brian simpson
Weapon?
joe rogan
Weapon.
That there's like some station down there that they've pretended is just for receiving, but it's actually for transmitting.
I have no idea if any of this is nonsense.
It's just fun.
It's fun when people talk crazy.
But this guy was on the Sean Ryan show, and he is a...
Air quotes, whistleblower.
And he's explaining how he went down there and he read the operating manual for this device.
And this device caused the earthquakes in Christchurch, New Zealand.
And I was like, what?
brian simpson
Nah.
joe rogan
It's so hard to know.
If you're just a comic in Austin, how the fuck do I know what's going down the South Pole?
brian simpson
I mean...
Like I said, whenever somebody's saying some wild shit to me, I start asking them, what other shit do you believe?
So I can know how believable you are.
Because if you believe, because you might be one of those people that just believes bullshit easily.
joe rogan
Hey, what do you say?
Give us some volume.
unidentified
I opened every single door in the facility.
I had complete access to every compartment they manufactured.
What are you blowing the whistle on?
That there are technologies at the South Pole Station that people can't even consider that exist on this planet.
Directed energy weapons systems is something that people need to get into their vocabulary fast.
The IceCube neutrino detector is not simply a passive listening device as presented for the science that they're claiming it to do.
It also has the capacity to transmit.
There are embedded in the ice what are called digital optical modules, DOMS. They're about the size of a basketball.
The array embedded in the ice is one kilometer by one kilometer by one kilometer.
It is the world's largest telescope, and now because we have proven that it can transmit, it's the world's largest directed energy weapons system.
It is responsible for the earthquakes in Christchurch, New Zealand.
I physically...
joe rogan
Okay, when he says one kilometer by one kilometer by one kilometer, does he mean it's one kilometer high, it's one kilometer long, and one kilometer wide?
jamie vernon
I think down.
joe rogan
A whole kilometer into the ground.
brian simpson
Yeah, he could have just said a cubed kilometer.
joe rogan
Well, it kind of, I mean, it's more impressive, I guess, just to think about it goes a kilometer into the ground.
jamie vernon
He's a former firefighter contractor.
joe rogan
For Raytheon exposed the company's alleged ability to create earthquakes worldwide, linking to hidden directed energy weapon systems at South Pole Station.
So what is this?
brian simpson
How would a firefighter contractor have access to that?
joe rogan
I don't know how any of this is real.
I have no idea.
I don't know what his job was.
What's his name?
Eric Hecker?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I was trying to look him up.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
He had some nice patches on his jacket, though.
Looked official.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
I mean, you full of shit until I see some proof.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
It's like, you saying some wild shit, you gotta at least show me something.
joe rogan
Yes.
Good point.
brian simpson
Yeah, because you were a firefighter contractor.
I don't feel like you would have the keys to the secret death ray, you know?
joe rogan
Well, I think what he was saying was that he was reading the documents of the owner's manual.
And that's when he realized that it's capable of transmitting.
I believe he says that in the show.
brian simpson
Yeah, but how would a firefighter have access to manuals and shit?
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's crazy.
And why he's still alive?
jamie vernon
This is what the thing he's talking about is when I Google it.
Antarctic Muon and Neutrino Detector Array is what it's called.
joe rogan
And it goes...
Let me see what it looks like.
brian simpson
Look, the neutrino detector is real.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
But that's...
joe rogan
But the facility on top of it, and whoa, look what happens under the ground.
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
brian simpson
But the reason it has to be so deep under the ground is so it's protected from...
So it's protected from, like, solar, from, like, extra shit, so they know when it gets hit that it was a neutrino.
You know?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
So it's real.
Like, a lot of the stuff he said was real, but here's the thing we also know, Joe, is that the best place to hide a lie is between two truths.
The best bullshit is, they say a lot of true shit, and they sneak the bullshit in there.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
It's like, oh, yeah, the neutrino detector is this and this, this and this, that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
And did you know it can make you gay?
joe rogan
Antarctic Muon and Neutrino Detector Array The shield provided by looking for only upward-going neutrinos that must have passed through Earth Something no other known particle can do Oh, wow So it's through Earth.
brian simpson
Right.
Neutrinos don't interact with matter almost at all.
So that neutrino detector is way, way, way, way down, and they're waiting to see sparks of light so they know that was a neutrino.
unidentified
Wow.
brian simpson
But if they put it on the surface, I think they can't tell the difference between one that came, because they're pouring out of the sun.
So they're looking for ones that have passed through the earth that have come from other places.
So they know for sure.
So every now and then, it's so unlikely that one will interact with matter that it doesn't happen that often.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy that they spent that much money to build that thing, to find that out?
brian simpson
Yeah, so that's the other thing.
The thing this guy is saying, I don't even understand how that would work.
joe rogan
How could it be both things, right?
How could it be a detector and also a transmitter?
brian simpson
Yeah, because I think it's just a pool full of some special kind of water or some special kind of liquid that it's enough where it makes a neutrino more likely to fucking hit...
A nucleus or something?
So I don't understand how that's gathering power that it can transmit.
I don't know.
joe rogan
The thing about people like that, and I'm not saying this guy's not telling the truth, but I'm saying when I see stories about someone talking about some alien base that's underground and there's aliens down there and one of them shot at me with a laser beam...
If you were hiding some shit, like, one of the best ways to make it seem ridiculous that you're hiding some shit is get some guy who's out of his fucking mind to go tell some wacky ass story.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Fill him full of lies.
Tell him, yeah, you know, we started the earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand.
It was started with this thing.
And then you tell him, yeah, it's actually a transmitter.
And then you have the guy go tell him.
And now everybody's like, oh...
That's kooky.
The idea of doing that is kooky.
Directed energy weapon is kooky.
When meanwhile, it wasn't even that.
They got a real one somewhere.
So now they've discredited the whole idea of directed energy weapons.
And they got some shit out in the desert in Nevada that's real.
brian simpson
The government loves conspiracy.
joe rogan
I mean, why wouldn't they?
If I was running some top secret program, like a directed energy weapon, I would have someone...
Give them bad information, give them fake stories, and then have them go expose it.
Like, have someone who's most likely to blab, and then have that person give them this knucklehead story, and then he goes out and says it, and then everybody researches it.
brian simpson
You just tell Roseanne.
Just tell Roseanne of the secret.
joe rogan
Tell her right before she goes on stage.
There's a direct energy weapon.
Yeah, it's...
You know, it's one of those things, man.
It's like, I have no fucking idea what they're capable of doing.
brian simpson
See, that right there, that's the red flag to me.
jamie vernon
That's the bio on this website.
This is a little red flaggy.
brian simpson
A self-educated research investigator.
Fuck outta there.
That's worse than homeschooling.
joe rogan
That takes from his many odd life experiences and connects with others.
Eric was raised on Long Island.
Okay.
brian simpson
Yep.
joe rogan
Part of the Stargate project run by the CIA and the DIA? As a child.
What?
His childhood included being part of the Stargate project run by the CIA and DIA. Later on, he experiences in the submarine service.
Following that, he became a plumber for some of the wealthiest people in the world back on Long Island.
What?
That's a weird turn of events.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
In 2010, Eric took a contract to work at the South Pole Station for a year.
Oh, so he went from being an amazing plumber to being a firefighter in the South Pole.
That's what he's saying?
Okay, always the avid researcher.
It was not until Eric began working remotely throughout the state of Alaska that he started making connections that his own life may not have been what he thought it was.
Now he's trying to help others see that things may not be, as we were told, three exclamation points.
brian simpson
See, this is the thing, man.
joe rogan
That feels a little red flaggy, does it?
brian simpson
Yeah, that feels real weird.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you can donate, support on Patreon, and shop his CBD products.
unidentified
Does he have an NFT? Well, I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, well the thing is, it's like, maybe he's telling the truth.
unidentified
Maybe.
brian simpson
But it's like, would you trust a self-educated doctor?
joe rogan
But if I wanted to obscure the truth, I would tell everything to a wacky dude.
brian simpson
Yeah, man.
See, that's what's gonna kill us.
It's the death of truth.
We can't tell what's true.
joe rogan
Look, maybe that guy's honest.
Maybe he's telling the absolute truth.
And maybe it's so crazy that we think that he's a loon because the story sounds impossible.
Story sounds impossible that they would hide some sort of a directed energy weapon in some beautiful project to try to detect neutrinos.
Right?
You would think that that would be a really good way.
unidentified
Yeah, but at the same time, could they do both things?
joe rogan
We're too stupid.
brian simpson
Why would you have to hide anything in the South Pole?
I mean, ain't nobody going down there.
joe rogan
Nobody's looking, because that's a good place to do it.
If all you have to do is just be deep into the earth, what better place to do it than a place where absolutely no one's going to visit you?
brian simpson
They couldn't even cover up the sexual harassment down there.
joe rogan
In the South Pole?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
brian simpson
I mean, think about that.
Because you out in the middle of nowhere.
You go out there, you out there.
Yeah.
It ain't like you can just hop home real quick.
So it's like, yeah, people fucking, people getting fucked out there.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If you're stuck out there, you also have a real concern of dying.
Like if something breaks down...
brian simpson
Yeah, you can't get away.
joe rogan
You can't get anywhere.
You gotta wait for someone to come rescue you.
brian simpson
And whoever's in charge of the food, you gotta fuck them.
joe rogan
Bro, living out there must be weird.
brian simpson
It's only scientists.
unidentified
No other humans live in the South Pole.
joe rogan
That must be so weird.
Just to be in a place where you know you can't survive, stay outside too long?
brian simpson
You can't go outside at all.
I think if you're out there, if you step out there without protection on them, If you just step out there during certain times, I think the burns will permanently burn you.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah.
At the coldest times in the South Pole, you have to be suited up to go outside.
joe rogan
You can't breathe the air?
brian simpson
I don't think so.
Whoa.
joe rogan
How cold does it get?
brian simpson
Let's look it up.
I don't think it's the coldest place on Earth.
joe rogan
It's not?
brian simpson
I don't think so.
joe rogan
What is?
brian simpson
Let's look it up.
What's the coldest place on Earth?
joe rogan
It's probably Siberia.
brian simpson
Oh, East Antarctica, plateau.
joe rogan
What is it?
brian simpson
It gets negative 144 degrees Fahrenheit.
Yeah.
And so it's like, you breathe one of those breaths in, that's gonna fuck your whole shit up.
joe rogan
But wait a minute.
How is that true?
Because I've done the cryo chamber.
The cryo chamber is minus 250. Yeah, but that water's not touching your skin, right?
No, it's not touching you.
brian simpson
It's air.
joe rogan
It's air.
brian simpson
Yeah, I have no idea.
joe rogan
How do you do that?
brian simpson
But you know what?
Maybe there's no moisture in it.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
I have no idea.
joe rogan
Right.
How is that not freezing the fuck out of your mouth?
You do wear a mask, though.
You wear a surgical mask when you go in there.
brian simpson
The East Antarctica Plateau is the coldest place on Earth with temperatures as low as negative 144 degrees Fahrenheit.
It's located in Antarctica.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Humans can't inhale air that cold for more than a few breaths.
It would cause our lungs to hemorrhage.
Russian scientists ducking out to check on the weather station would wear masks that warm the air before they breathed it in.
So how are you able to do that in those cryo chambers?
jamie vernon
Don't you wear a mask in a cryo chamber?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There you go.
joe rogan
But you don't have to.
jamie vernon
Oh.
Maybe it's that limited amount of time.
Well, I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe you do have to.
Maybe I'm wrong.
brian simpson
How come you don't freeze the death in a cryo chamber?
joe rogan
There's two different kinds too.
There's ones that go below the neck and they're filled with like gas.
It's like it looks cloudy.
And then there's a kind where they just cool the air and you walk in and there's like a thermometer.
It's brutally cold.
But it's way more doable than the ice bath.
Cold plunges are way harder to do.
brian simpson
Yeah, I don't understand this.
I don't understand the answer that it gave me.
joe rogan
What does the answer say?
jamie vernon
Because you're doing it with the mask on.
brian simpson
He was trying to say that the speed, it just happened really fast.
joe rogan
But how would that little mask protect you from hemorrhaging?
Would that really work?
That's crazy.
Just breathing cold air with that little bitch-ass mask is going to protect you?
brian simpson
Yeah, I don't think so.
Because you said it's optional, right?
joe rogan
I think so.
I think some people didn't wear the mask.
I might be wrong, though.
I might be wrong.
I know I always wore gloves, and you always wore heavy socks.
jamie vernon
Even for the Antarctica thing, it says you can use a snorkel or breathe through your jacket.
That's enough to warm the air.
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
So it just has to be warmed a little bit, and that's enough to warm it enough, probably.
joe rogan
Okay.
Hmm.
brian simpson
Yeah, because I think you can't afford for the moisture in your lungs to freeze.
You know?
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Or boil.
joe rogan
Or boil.
brian simpson
Like, that's how you die in space.
When the pressure is so low that the boiling point drops low, so all the moisture in your body will just boil.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, like if your helmet came off in space, you would die from...
That's how you would die.
You would...
joe rogan
You'd boil.
brian simpson
You'd boil and, like, blow it up.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Because in movies, you always freeze.
They're always like...
And you see their face turns blue.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah, see, I think...
Well, listen, I think there's debate about...
I think if you ask any...
If you ask an astrophysicist how you would die in space, they would all give you a slightly different answer.
But that's the one I'm going with.
joe rogan
That sounds reasonable.
brian simpson
Yeah.
The first thing that would happen to you is that...
I mean, your body might freeze up after that.
But the first thing that would happen is that the liquids in your eyeballs, your mouth, your lungs, all that would boil off.
joe rogan
Jesus.
brian simpson
I know that's a fact.
So I don't know what happens to the rest of you.
joe rogan
That's what's super bizarre about even the concept of aliens.
Because our body is designed to survive our atmosphere, our gravity, our temperature.
We're designed for a very narrow window.
brian simpson
Our very specific mixture of air.
Oxygen and nitrogen.
jamie vernon
15 seconds.
joe rogan
You have 15 seconds in a cosmic vacuum.
Oxygen deprivation.
Assuming you don't hold your breath during decompression, it will take about 15 seconds for your O2 deprived blood to get to your brain.
When this happens, you'll pass out and then you'll die.
That's oxygen deprivation.
brian simpson
Assuming that you don't hold your breath.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Cosmic vacuum.
brian simpson
Oh, but click on that.
Let's see what the other five ways are.
Six ways?
joe rogan
Six ways you can die?
What does it say?
brian simpson
So, association is number five.
jamie vernon
Burning up in the atmosphere.
brian simpson
Well, that's obvious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
High energy photons.
Yeah, cosmic rays.
joe rogan
Cosmic rays.
jamie vernon
Freezing.
unidentified
Fortunately, heat doesn't transfer.
brian simpson
Ebulism.
The motion in your body will start to evaporate.
joe rogan
There it is.
This is known as ebulism.
It happens because of reduction.
The pressure causes the boiling point of your bodily fluids to decrease.
Brian Simpson dropping notes with no notes.
With no notes.
He just pulls that out.
jamie vernon
Explosive decompression.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
brian simpson
No air.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
jamie vernon
That's what happens.
brian simpson
Yeah, if your shit ain't pressurized, but that's gonna kill everybody.
joe rogan
As long as you don't try to hold your breath during this explosive decompression, you'll survive about 30 seconds before you sustain any permanent injuries.
What if you hold your breath?
How likely is it that you would survive?
brian simpson
Bro, that's why the idea of the type of people that you gotta pick to be astronauts.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Look at this.
If you hold your breath during decompression, the gas in your lungs will expand due to the lack of ambient pressure.
This expansion will eventually cause internal ruptures in your pulmonary tissue.
Essentially, your lungs will kind of explode, for lack of a better description.
As your lungs collapse, the gas they contain will be transformed into massive internal air bubbles.
These bubbles will meander through your body.
Sooner or later, they will find their way to your vital organs, such as your heart and your brain.
Oh my god.
brian simpson
But all of these are like, you got what, 10 to 30 seconds?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're dead.
You're dead or you're dead.
brian simpson
So imagine signing up To go somewhere where one mistake could kill you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Yeah, and then imagine being...
And somebody else's mistake could kill you, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
So now imagine being one of those astronauts that was out there when that one bitch, when she let the wrench float away.
I think she was out there to maybe repair the Hubble or something like that, and she just lost a whole bag or two.
You don't remember this?
joe rogan
I don't remember that.
brian simpson
You know what I'm talking about, Jamie, don't you?
joe rogan
She lost it in space?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
And it's like...
Oh, right here.
joe rogan
Is there anything they can do now?
brian simpson
Fuck no.
joe rogan
That's it?
unidentified
Oops.
Wow.
joe rogan
So that's the tool bag?
And something just fell out of the tool bag?
Oh Jesus, she can't grab it.
Oh my god, imagine just even thinking if you grab it, what if you fall?
brian simpson
Oh, no, yeah, that's not worth it.
You gotta let that shit go.
joe rogan
Bro, fuck everything about what this poor lady's doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That gives me so much anxiety.
brian simpson
But yeah, man.
jamie vernon
I just saw your video.
Let's say that person was with that tool bag, how they'd get back because they don't have propulsion, you know?
brian simpson
Right.
jamie vernon
You can't swim back because there's nothing to move against.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
Your only shot is to then use as much force as you can to throw that tool bag backwards and use that as propulsion forwards.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
You have to throw something the other way.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brian simpson
Or imagine if that's the key thing for that whole mission.
The whole reason we out here.
And you just let that bitch float away.
joe rogan
Imagine the idea of keeping it in a bag.
brian simpson
It's not tied to anything.
joe rogan
It's not clipped on.
brian simpson
But you know what?
I'm sure a NASA physicist could explain to you why they can't do that.
joe rogan
Probably.
brian simpson
It's probably a reason why they can't do that.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Or like no magnets or nothing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Nothing.
Not like a little fucking bungee cord.
brian simpson
Because it looked like that bag.
When she opened it, everything was just floating.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I was like, damn, that don't seem like an efficient...
joe rogan
No, especially when you got those weird tips to your fingers.
You're probably not good at grabbing shit, but they probably have backups.
jamie vernon
Just floats away.
unidentified
Oh.
brian simpson
Yeah, but it looked like she...
How did you...
Why did she do that?
joe rogan
Well, I think she touched it to, like, set it down or something like that.
I don't know.
Don't give me anxiety.
Just seeing that lady on that machine all the way up there in space.
brian simpson
And your reflexes will be like, no!
joe rogan
It's so spooky.
brian simpson
But she's not the first one that's lost something, right?
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure.
I'm sure guys have lost shit.
brian simpson
Have they lost people, though?
Have we ever lost a person from, like, floating off?
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good question.
brian simpson
Because that's one of those things where it's like, as soon as you let go, you dead.
You know what I mean?
It ain't like the movies.
It's like, as soon as you let go, you gone.
Because there's no way, like he said, there's no way for you to, I mean, maybe some real...
joe rogan
Some Iron Man shit.
unidentified
Sure.
brian simpson
Yeah, but for you to do that, you would have to lose air.
You would have to risk losing air to propel yourself.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
There were three Russian cosmonauts that were lost in space.
brian simpson
The first guy almost.
What was his name?
Yuri Geller?
joe rogan
He almost got lost in space?
They just drifted away?
brian simpson
No, the first man in space was a Russian guy.
I think his name was Yuri something.
jamie vernon
Yeah, you're right.
brian simpson
And he had a rip in his suit or something like that.
jamie vernon
Oh, it depressurized on its way back.
brian simpson
Okay, yeah.
But he survived.
I don't think he was ever the same after that, but he survived.
And they first sent the dog up.
That dog died.
Yeah, for sure.
I forget the dog's name.
jamie vernon
Uri Gagarin was the first guy.
brian simpson
Oh, Uri Gagarin.
Who did I say?
Uri Geller?
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's the...
joe rogan
Yeah, Uri Geller's the magician.
brian simpson
Okay, yeah.
unidentified
Uri Gagarin.
brian simpson
Yeah, that's a bad motherfucker, but he definitely didn't come back the same.
jamie vernon
One orbit of Earth.
unidentified
April 12th, 1961. Damn, back then.
joe rogan
You know, gangster, you had to be back then getting one of those fucking rockets.
brian simpson
Oh man, a Russian made one?
jamie vernon
What did we do with the...
The bomb was dropped in 1903?
Sorry, the first plane was 1903, bomb was like 40 years later, and then less than 20 to get to space?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Hey, I know the United States got a lot of scientists from Operation Paperclip from Nazi Germany, but how many did Russia get?
jamie vernon
A lot, the rest of them.
joe rogan
So is there a Russian rocket program like this one with Yuri Gagelin?
jamie vernon
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the dirty secret about space travel.
jamie vernon
Did you see the new Indiana Jones movie by any chance?
joe rogan
No, I haven't seen it.
jamie vernon
There's a little bit of that population paperclip in there.
The main bad Nazi guy was in the story.
brian simpson
You haven't seen any Indiana Jones movies?
joe rogan
No, I have.
Just not the newer one.
jamie vernon
The newer one.
brian simpson
Oh, there's a new one?
jamie vernon
Dial of Destiny is what it was called.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was out like a month ago.
brian simpson
Is it out?
jamie vernon
Man.
I just watched it on digital.
joe rogan
Do the Nazis have dueling scars?
jamie vernon
Not in...
Did he?
unidentified
No.
jamie vernon
I don't think so.
brian simpson
He's competing with so many good movies.
This might be the best movie year ever.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, and it's crazy to happen during a strike joint, but it's like...
unidentified
They re-released Oldboy.
brian simpson
Have you ever seen Oldboy, Joe?
The original?
The Korean one?
joe rogan
Yes, I have.
brian simpson
They just re-released it in theaters.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So this guy was a Soviet operation, which more than 2,500 former Nazi German specialists from companies and institutions relevant to military and economic policy in the Soviet Union.
They came over just like they came over to America.
That's the dirty secret about rocket travel.
Like, the Nazis had amazing engineers and scientists, and these guys were ahead in rocketry, and we scooped all their evil motherfuckers up.
brian simpson
Why do you think that is?
Why do certain cultures have better engineering and all that?
joe rogan
That's a very good question.
It's like, who gets the jumpstart on steel, right?
You gotta think that if you're in Germany, Unlike the United States, it's not an emerging country.
It's been around for a long time.
They have a long history of automobiles.
Think about Mercedes-Benz.
What year was that developed?
Audi?
brian simpson
I think it's whatever your culture takes pride in.
joe rogan
If they take pride in engineering?
brian simpson
Yeah.
It's the way when you're in Japan, how the train's never late.
Like never.
The one time it was late, the guy had to go on TV and apologize.
joe rogan
Japanese corporations, the way they run them, man...
These people are very emotionally attached to the success and failure of their company.
And they will work very, very hard to make sure that they don't dishonor their company.
brian simpson
And they'll work you to death.
joe rogan
Yeah, literally.
And the products they make are all awesome.
brian simpson
But you know what?
Over there, the CEO... The ratio of CEO pay to worker pay is like 20 times less than here.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
Interesting.
So the workers get paid more?
The workers get a bigger percentage of what the company makes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Fair.
brian simpson
Yeah, that seems fair to me.
There's no CEOs over there that are...
I forget what the ratio is over here, but it's ridiculous.
Ours is the biggest, for sure.
joe rogan
The biggest gap between the workers and the CEO. Well, the wildest thing that we do is we have stuff that we can buy cheaper If we build it in places where they don't have any rules.
So we go to these places that don't have any rules and we build all this shit and then sell it in America.
That is a really wild loophole.
brian simpson
And here's the God honest truth.
Like you know how when you go to other countries how they have like if you buy a pack of cigarettes it'll have like somebody with lung cancer or something on the front.
It's like, if they started, if they had to tell you before you bought something, like all the horrific shit it was connected to, you'd still buy it.
They were like, hell, this new iPhone?
Yeah, well, two kids died in the factory that made this.
And you're like, I need that camera.
joe rogan
Well, now for sure, because people are addicted.
And also, there's not an ethical choice.
brian simpson
They would have to show you a picture of them for you to feel something.
joe rogan
If there was an ethical choice, like if you knew Samsung was making their phones in some factory in the United States where all the chips were made here and everybody was on union wages, they all got health care and benefits, they all lived a nice middle-class life, And the phone was more money.
brian simpson
The phone would be like $2,500.
joe rogan
We've had this conversation too many times, but I think a lot of people would buy it.
I think if iPhone just had a Made in America phone as an option, and it became a status symbol to have the USA phone.
brian simpson
You know what?
I agree.
I think a lot of people would buy it, but I think you would be surprised at who didn't.
Most of the people making the most noise about this sort of thing would still be like, well, I can't.
joe rogan
What am I gonna do?
brian simpson
Yeah, I gotta buy the cheap one.
joe rogan
I have to.
I can't afford it.
brian simpson
Yeah.
Most of the same people that are mad at you for what you buy, they would still buy it.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Yeah, because that's what it boils down to.
It's like, you need money to live.
joe rogan
But it is one of the weird things about this country, is that everyone is addicted to their phone.
Everyone's phone is made by slaves.
It's made by, at the very bottom of the supply chain, they're taking minerals out of the ground in the Congo in abject poverty.
Horrific poverty.
brian simpson
Every phone has cobalt, and mining that shit is treacherous.
joe rogan
Treacherous.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
Ain't no CEOs out there at the Kobo, man.
joe rogan
That Siddharth Kaur guy, the journalist that exposed that and came on the podcast and showed those videos about that.
Like, that guy.
I mean, he risked his literal life to go there and get footage of that and tell that story.
And I don't think it put a dent in the sales.
brian simpson
Poor son of a bitch.
Yeah, that ain't gonna change shit.
Look, money talk bullshit walk.
That's the cliche for a reason.
It's like...
Until you can affect money, no one gives a fuck about the story you tellin'.
joe rogan
It's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian simpson
If you don't stop the money from moving, you just out there screaming.
Remember Occupy Wall Street?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
When they thought those kids was about to run up in Wall Street, they were scared to death.
When they knew they were just gonna camp outside, they were like, oh yeah, let's be out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
We'll go in the back way.
You know, it's like, if you just making noise, that shit don't work no more.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
Nah.
joe rogan
I think if something like that happened today, they'd be terrified.
brian simpson
Talk about Wall Street?
joe rogan
Yeah, because people seem a little bit more prone to violence.
brian simpson
Yeah, people are more dangerous today.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you wouldn't be able to...
I mean, the thing is, if the cops got on board, like if you couldn't count on the police to protect you, that would be a whole other thing.
joe rogan
It's a whole other thing.
Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
But damn, are we really ready for the world to change in that way, though?
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
There would have to be something that's egregious where people could all agree that this one institution is ruining our country and ruining our lives and they're somehow or another getting away with it and people decide to go to that place.
brian simpson
Well, I just think it's easy to get behind a sentiment when it don't cost you nothing.
joe rogan
Also, you have to consider that if you are planning something like this, you're going to get infiltrated by the federal government.
It's going to be agent provocateurs.
That's standard play, but there's no fucking way they're going to let you go storm some institution somewhere.
Some banking institution or some...
unidentified
Later.
joe rogan
And just fucking shut everything down.
There's no way they're going to let you do that.
So they're gonna probably just join your group, and they're gonna find out everything about you, and they're gonna catch a couple of people and turn them, turn them into informants, and so they're gonna give you immunity, but you have to testify against these people, and then, yeah, it's over.
brian simpson
I don't know what kind of world we live in, man.
I know too much stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I could've gone the rest of my life without knowing that Steven Seagal made a reggae song.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I didn't want to have to hear it.
brian simpson
Now it's like stuck in me.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're inundated with stuff.
brian simpson
Too much information.
joe rogan
And it's like every day there's a new tragedy.
Every day...
Excuse me.
There's a new natural disaster.
There's something going on in the South Pole.
Directed energy weapons.
brian simpson
You know the best thing that I've done for myself recently is I started scheduling a Do Not Disturb for Mondays.
joe rogan
Scheduling it?
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
So on Monday at midnight...
I don't get no phone calls.
I don't get no notifications.
joe rogan
Oh, you schedule it on your phone, so it switches to Do Not Disturb mode.
brian simpson
It switches to Do Not Disturb on Monday morning, and it's like that all day.
So, I mean, obviously, if you call me twice, it'll come through, like, you know, whatever.
But other than that, I don't see this shit unless I want to.
joe rogan
That's good.
brian simpson
Yeah, and it's like, I got, because I can't deal with that.
I can't deal with all, I'm just overly stimulated.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're overly stimulated and people are always sending me links to tweets and links to videos and links to watch this documentary.
I'm like, how?
brian simpson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't have any time.
It's like you're constantly getting...
But the good thing is you're finding out about a lot of stuff.
I think way more aware of just what's going on in the world now.
Like human beings in general, but people that are paying attention in particular are way more aware of what's going on in the world than they ever were when I was like 20. Like when I was 20, the kids 20 years old today, they know way more about how fucking weird the world is.
brian simpson
Some would say too much.
joe rogan
I bet some before the fucking internet and before television and before the newspapers would also say that's too much.
brian simpson
You know what it is, man?
There's nothing worse than a young cynic.
It's like you're 17 and you're already cynical.
You're supposed to live ignorant with pie-in-the-sky ideals.
joe rogan
Party, have a good time.
brian simpson
Have some damn positivity, some hope.
joe rogan
Yes.
Positivity and hope.
brian simpson
Was that a bug?
joe rogan
I didn't see a bug.
We were talking about there's never been a bug in here.
Now you're seeing bugs.
Yeah, I mean, you don't want young cynics, but I'm not even saying it that way.
I'm just saying they're more aware of how bizarre everything is.
Something that's not going to turn out well.
But there's a very real possibility that it might not turn out well.
brian simpson
Oh, no, Joe.
We're doomed.
I'm full on.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
Yeah, because the solution to all the major problems that face humanity require a bit of selfless cooperation that I just don't think humans are capable of.
joe rogan
Really?
brian simpson
On a grand scale.
No, no, no.
It's so easy to divide humans, you know, because we have so many differences.
There's way more differences than we have Perceived connection, right?
So it's like, even if you get people to unite for a little bit, it's only a matter of time when they fall apart.
joe rogan
Well, people also love to collect in groups and then go after other groups.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
You know, they love to do that.
It makes them a part of something bigger than themselves.
That's why people love to call themselves activists when they're really just bitching about shit online.
Because you join a group of people that are also, like, into the same thing, and then you have, like, camaraderie within the group, you support each other's, like, posts and tweets and all that stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
It becomes very community-oriented.
brian simpson
It is wild to call yourself an activist when you're not leaving the house.
You're not active at all.
joe rogan
They're an online activist.
brian simpson
Yeah, they call us slacktivists.
joe rogan
But I get why some people, even if what your cause is is fucking stupid, I get why you'd be drawn to being a part of a group.
Because a lot of people are alone.
They got nothing.
And if you become a part of a group, whatever that group is, especially if it's a noble cause, now you've got a purpose.
Now you're fighting for something.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
I'm out here fighting for something.
I'm fighting for a better country.
You're not doing shit.
And then you get self-righteous with it.
brian simpson
Excuse me for caring about the world.
joe rogan
It's hard to have an objective opinion about so many different things.
Because so many different things that we talk about Your side already agrees that this is the solution.
Or your side already agrees that we must support Ukraine.
Or your side already agrees that climate change is real.
brian simpson
It becomes dogmatic.
unidentified
But we're so vulnerable to that.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
It's amazing how vulnerable we are to that.
brian simpson
What it really is is that it distorts your Because we forget the truth is not just the conclusion, but it's also, like we were talking earlier, how do you decide what's true?
That's just as important as whatever you're saying the truth is.
And when you get in groups and get into the dogma, it completely takes it away.
There's just the truth.
And we don't get to scrutinize how we got there or any of that.
It's just you believe this or you're not a true believer.
You're not part of the group.
So it takes away people's ability to be discerning.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
And there's also a fear of stepping out of the lines because if you're living like a lot of this is interaction you're having on social media, which in which people are much more likely to attack you, much more likely to insult you than it would be to your face if you were saying the same thing.
So it's like then you feel that like, oh, I'm being attacked.
And then you get caught up in this weird web of, like, checking all your mentions and seeing who's mad at you for what you said.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
I stopped giving a fuck.
I really did.
Because I realized, like, I don't have time for that.
Like, I'm not going to argue with you for free.
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian simpson
I don't have time for that.
joe rogan
It's interesting to see people lose their whole life to it, though.
brian simpson
Yeah, yeah.
Some people get too obsessed with it.
Like I told you, I don't watch the news.
I only absorb the news that rises to my attention.
So while I'm looking up like this, if something come up here, I don't look at it.
joe rogan
Ari was just saying the exact same thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brian simpson
I'm with him on that.
I mean, he went extreme.
joe rogan
He doesn't know what's going on.
brian simpson
Right.
But it's...
I feel like it makes my opinions pure that I'm not being...
Because it's hard to get the news without being told how to feel about it simultaneously.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Like, here's the news and here's also the correct feeling from your group.
joe rogan
Right.
brian simpson
Right?
And it's like, it makes you be fake, you know?
And so I'd rather hear about the news...
I only really hear about the news when I'm doing my podcast.
BS with Brian Simpson, available every Thursday on all platforms.
I... I wait till my producer tells me some shit.
And that's when I know the news.
I very rarely am I looking for...
Because I hate that.
You know people that are obsessed with Trump and obsessed with Biden.
And every time you see him, depending on what side of you, they got new facts for you.
Damn, man.
What's the point of that?
joe rogan
What is the point of that?
brian simpson
You don't get anything out of knowing all this...
You know, you've already decided who you're going to vote for and that's all the power you have.
joe rogan
Because they're caught up in a game.
It's like rooting for the dolphins.
You're caught up in this fucking thing.
Like, you know, we're playing Pittsburgh.
Fuck Pittsburgh.
brian simpson
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it's just people just get wrapped up in this idea that if somehow or another Biden stays in office, everything's going to be great.
If Trump gets in office, the world's going to end.
brian simpson
Or vice versa.
joe rogan
Or vice versa.
brian simpson
You know what's so funny?
Almost nothing will change no matter who it is.
joe rogan
Some things will change.
brian simpson
That's where I'm at.
Surface level things will change, but the main agenda, the real powers that be, they ain't letting it shift.
They let little stuff change so you feel like you have power.
But the main agenda, that shit ain't shifting.
joe rogan
But what's interesting is if...
If we're going to find out how much power they really have to decide who becomes president, because if Trump wins, what do they do?
What do they do then?
brian simpson
Let him be president from prison?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you think he has a real shot at going to prison?
brian simpson
No.
No!
Listen, I think it's cute.
joe rogan
It's cute.
brian simpson
But look, man, again, money talk bullshit, Walt.
When has a billionaire ever gone to prison for any reason other than fucking with other rich people's money?
That's the only time you see people that rich go to prison.
There's no other time.
So this hope that he's going to be the first one, I highly doubt it.
I could be wrong, but generally, people that are his rich, they don't go to prison.
joe rogan
We were just talking about that the other day.
They didn't even put the Sackler family in jail.
brian simpson
Right.
Because they was fucking with poor people.
They put Bernie Madoff in jail.
They put Elizabeth Holmes in jail.
They put the Enron dudes, they put them down because they was fucking with other rich people.
But as long as you stick to fucking with poor people or trying to cheat, you ain't going to prison.
You're not.
I don't think so.
If Trump actually goes to prison, that will mark some kind of progress, I suppose.
You know, but at the end of the day, they all look out for each other.
joe rogan
But not really, because if you could target your political enemies and have them locked up to prevent them from being able to run against you, that's some Banana Republic shit.
That's where it gets dangerous, because they could use it on the other people, too.
brian simpson
Right, exactly.
The real smart people know that what you're actually doing is setting a precedent.
joe rogan
Yes.
brian simpson
And you don't...
And it's real fine when it's happening to the person you want it to happen to.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian simpson
But what happens when the other side has that power?
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian simpson
It's going to be a problem.
joe rogan
It's going to be a big problem.
brian simpson
Yeah, and that's also why they never really lock each other up.
Why they always pardon one another and all that.
Because, you know, they know whatever precedent they set, it could happen to them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The pardon thing is why.
brian simpson
I wouldn't even be shocked.
Actually, I don't think Biden can pardon Trump because it's not a federal thing.
I think it's a state thing.
But I wouldn't be surprised if the governor of Georgia pardons Trump.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian simpson
Just to prevent a constitutional crisis because there's nothing in the Constitution that tells us what to do if a former president goes to prison.
joe rogan
Didn't we just talk about that?
Someone, someone, no.
I think the governor of Georgia doesn't have the power to pardon him.
brian simpson
No?
joe rogan
I'm thinking they don't.
I think someone just told me this.
brian simpson
Okay, let me see.
joe rogan
I think it's one of those weird cases.
jamie vernon
Georgia is one of the four states whose governor does not have the authority to grant clemency, although the governor retains indirect influence by virtue of his power to appoint board members.
That's what this says when looking up pardons.
brian simpson
That's even better.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian simpson
So then he could have the board do it and not take a political hit?
jamie vernon
Yes.
brian simpson
I think it's even more likely.
jamie vernon
Georgia does not have the authority to hand out pardons.
joe rogan
So who can hand out pardons?
jamie vernon
A five-person state board.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian simpson
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
Interesting.
brian simpson
Ooh, this is spicy.
Interesting.
joe rogan
Brian Simpson, I gotta wrap this up.
brian simpson
Let's get it.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
Very good to see you, as always.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
It's been a lot of fun.
brian simpson
Thanks for having me, man.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
It's been a lot of fun hanging with you at the club.
Tell everybody upcoming tour dates, social media.
brian simpson
Oh, yeah.
The next place I'm coming is Chicago.
Go to bryonsimpsoncomedy.com to get those tickets or go to my link tree or BS Comedian and follow me on socials.
Also listen to my podcast BS with Brian Simpson on all the platforms.
Yeah, Zany's Chicago.
Oh, goddamn.
SideSplitters in Tampa is coming up.
Rumors in Canada.
Why did I agree to go to Canada?
joe rogan
Zany's in Chicago is a great room.
brian simpson
Rick Bradson's House of Comedy, that's also Canada.
Yeah, Zany's Chicago.
It's a great room.
Yeah, Zany's in Nashville.
Yeah, those are really good rooms.
Yeah, great rooms.
joe rogan
Alright, thank you.
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