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June 14, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1998 - Ali Siddiq
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What's happening?
joe rogan
How you doing?
I'm doing great You are a perfect example of how sometimes the universe throws you a little curveball and it turns out to work out better for you We were talking about it before, right before the show, and I wanted to congratulate you on the success of your special.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Because you were in this position where HBO had decided not to air it because you had opinions.
And they said, well, we don't agree with your opinions, so you can't have opinions that are different than ours.
You didn't even say anything.
I didn't think it was your feelings on things, which I feel like you're allowed to have.
And boom.
You put it on YouTube and boom.
How many views does it have now?
ali siddiq
First one, 8.8 million.
joe rogan
Million.
8.8 million.
You know what the odds of you getting 8.8 million on HBO are?
Zero.
It's zero.
It's zero.
They don't have anything to get.
Unless you're on the fucking Game of Thrones premiere.
ali siddiq
I was ready to do math in my head and everything.
I was thinking it was like zero.
Don't even think about it.
joe rogan
Zero.
It's never...
I mean, maybe you gotta go back to like Sam Kennison.
Maybe his got eight million.
ali siddiq
Maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, not that many people watch those shows, but YouTube is beautiful.
I mean, they fuck you on a lot of different things.
They'll pull you for discussing legitimate medical studies.
This guy got pulled.
Did you see that thing?
I tweeted it.
He got pulled off of YouTube.
They killed his whole channel for reading Lancet studies on psychiatric drugs.
Bro, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
ali siddiq
They did a study on him.
joe rogan
Well, it was on children and psych medications.
It was on children and I believe it was SSRIs, you know, which is antidepressants.
ali siddiq
Are they prescribing those to children now?
joe rogan
They've been prescribing them for children.
They've been doing it for a long time, but they do not like when people discuss the negative side effects on YouTube.
I would assume...
Advertising pressure.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
ali siddiq
You can discuss getting the belt or getting whipped, but you can't discuss the negative side effects of a drug.
Isn't that wild?
joe rogan
Yeah, you could openly discuss being abused as a child.
Being beaten.
Yeah, so this gentleman, what's his name?
Roger McFillin, Dr. Roger McFillin.
He was...
So this is what he said.
Our YouTube channel was terminated in less than 24 hours.
No warnings, explanations, or strikes after we posted a video highlighting published science, black box warnings, and known adverse reactions of antidepressants for youth.
Why do you think this was censored?
And then what's weird is that YouTube responded underneath it.
unidentified
They responded, hey, here to help.
joe rogan
Let me know your YouTube channel URL. We'll see what we can find.
Here's how to find it.
Like, no, they killed his whole channel.
He said, you terminated my, I don't know, like, saying you, it's probably a person, right?
So it's probably not that person.
It says, you terminated my YouTube channel for posting published scientific literature.
It's for reasons like this that YouTube is losing the public trust.
Man, it's that dance of advertising, you know?
That's the dance.
The dance of advertising and government control.
It's kind of spooky.
It's kind of spooky shit.
ali siddiq
Well, I've been living in a neighborhood that's been government controlled for a long time.
Not really spooky to us.
We like, oh, regular government nonsense.
joe rogan
Not good.
ali siddiq
Yeah, this is the reason why we don't trust anything.
Brown people, black people, we just don't...
As soon as you say it, as soon as you're not trusting it.
joe rogan
Well, it's for good reason.
It's not like everything's going great and nobody trusts the government.
ali siddiq
But a lot of people are pro-government.
Government everything.
joe rogan
Well, I think they just sold a narrative.
I think they get sold a narrative and they think anti-government is bad so that they're pro-government.
I've had some maddening discussions with intelligent people that I respect where they're saying the government should regulate the internet.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
The same people that are engaging in insider trading?
They should regulate the internet?
Are you out of your fucking mind?
You know how crazy that is?
ali siddiq
Who said that?
joe rogan
The guy used to be the publisher of Rolling Stone magazine, man.
In the 60s and the 70s when Rolling Stone was the counterculture.
He was telling me that they should regulate the internet.
We had the most maddening conversation and I respect him so much and I love him so much for what he did in the past.
ali siddiq
I think that was connected to, you know, the internet kind of destroying magazine sales.
joe rogan
It could be.
But it's also...
I think it's an ideology, man.
I think it's an ideology.
I think these people have in their head that good government with good people is good.
And the problem is bad government and bad people.
But we've never had...
I mean, what was the fucking last time?
Where you were 100% satisfied with all the things the government was doing.
They were doing everything they said they were going to do.
Even if the president wants things done when they're running for office, those things never happen once they get in office.
ali siddiq
That's a very white question.
There's no way you're asking me that.
Like, were we ever satisfied?
Like, never.
joe rogan
Never.
Well, maybe Kennedy.
You know, Kennedy gave people hope.
It seemed like he was giving people hope.
But, I mean, that was before my time.
That was before your time.
He was killed four years before I was born.
ali siddiq
Did you like Carter?
joe rogan
Well, the thing about Carter is, if you listen to Carter talk, and this goes back to Rolling Stone magazine, because Hunter S. Thompson went to Jimmy Carter's campaign speech, and it was so moving to him that he actually went out to his car and got his tape recorder and brought it back in and started listening and recording it.
And I think, I don't think any president I mean, there's a reason why the government is set up the way it's set up.
It's set up so the president can never become a tyrant.
So the president can't make his own laws.
This is how the government is divided.
This is the concept behind the beginning of the country.
The beginning of the country.
I think even if you're a good person, you're in a bad job.
You're in a bad job with a bad machine and that machine wants to make money and if it's making money by selling people drugs or it's making money by going to war, it's making money by fucking finagling the economy in some bizarre way.
ali siddiq
Anytime there's something to gain on the other end without public knowledge, it's gonna be a problem.
joe rogan
Of course.
That's the game.
ali siddiq
The sleight of hand trick.
unidentified
That's the game.
That's the game they're in.
joe rogan
I mean, it's to pretend they don't do that.
ali siddiq
I felt like some things shouldn't be on the internet, though.
So I'm like, damn, is nobody regulating this shit?
unidentified
Like what?
ali siddiq
Like a lot of things that people just...
Like, I don't know what a lot of people have followers for.
Because they so far to the craziness.
It's insane.
You're like, what?
joe rogan
That's true.
That's true, but what's the alternative?
The alternative is...
Here's the best thing about those crazy people.
You and I can talk about those crazy people.
Look at these crazy bitches.
And then people can listen to us talk about them, and they go, yeah, these people are crazy.
I kind of thought the world was flat for a few minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Like, there's some people on the internet.
I'm like, say, man.
God, damn, what are you talking about?
But it's, you know, then there's other people that have some sense.
But so...
joe rogan
You gotta be able to figure it out yourself.
The problem is most people don't think, and rightly so, don't think that most people can figure it out by themselves.
There's a large percentage of our population that's easily swayed.
That's why cults work.
ali siddiq
Oh, man.
You know, and I always wonder, like, when people say they selling dope, I'm like, for real?
It's passe.
Like, with a cult, I'd be thinking, why would I join a cult when it's never been proven to be a good thing?
Like, show me all the good, successful cults.
It's just like, man, all I gotta do is see one bad cult, and I'm like, you know what I'm saying?
I don't want to go.
joe rogan
Well, if you want to expand that...
ali siddiq
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Religion.
Religion is successful cults.
Listen, if there is...
Let's just imagine, just for the sake of this conversation, that there is a religious scripture that is 100% translated directly from God.
Well, if that's true...
If there's one, that means all the other ones are wrong, and all the other ones are cults.
ali siddiq
See, the thing is this.
People don't know where things tie in together.
Now, you have some side stories, some people who just created some side things for their own benefit.
joe rogan
Like the Mormons.
ali siddiq
It's like a longevity of, hey, this is all the same line of things.
And it transcends to the next generation.
But then it's these things that The prophecy stopped at some point, and then it's like people can claim themselves to be prophets with none of the other attachments.
Like all the other prophets got the same thing.
Some spoke to them at night, and they have some power at that particular time.
It's like these people...
Can you just say, hey, I'm a prophet.
Well, who spoke to you?
I don't know.
It was a voice coming through the wall.
Maybe you live in thin apartments.
I don't know.
What is your power?
Who are the people that you're supposed to have?
And it's no power.
unidentified
All you had to do is be charismatic.
ali siddiq
But that's not, that's not the, in prophecy, that's not the, the, that's not the criteria.
It's like, hey, I'm looking for somebody who can't, like what God's doing.
It's all, that's not the job.
joe rogan
Right, that's not the job.
ali siddiq
But in, with this society, it's the job.
joe rogan
But don't you think it's always been like that?
ali siddiq
No, I think they didn't even want to do it.
Noah didn't want to build no art.
He was doing something else.
joe rogan
See, the thing about Noah and the art, though, if you go back to that, that story is very similar to a story that's in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
And most likely what that story is about, the Great Flood seems to very much be real.
Very much be real.
And there's a lot of physical evidence.
And there's a gentleman named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast.
Have you ever seen any of those episodes?
ali siddiq
No.
joe rogan
It's been on my podcast many times.
He's an expert in asteroid collisions.
And this time in history where after this time there's all these stories of floods, it aligns directly with this thing called the Younger Dryas and the Younger Dryas impact theory.
The Younger Dryas is a time period around 11,800 years ago where they think the Earth got hit by comets.
And they think civilization got basically wiped out.
And it makes sense.
Because first of all, it makes sense physically.
So sorry if people have heard this before.
I beat this fucking horse to death.
But there's a lot of evidence when they do core samples on the Earth.
At that time period, there's a high level of iridium, which is very rare on Earth, but very common in space.
And there's also nanodiamonds, which occur when there's an impact, when something hits.
And this is all over the world.
ali siddiq
I 100% believe in this.
But every time I hear nano diamonds, What do you think when you're a nanodimons?
It's like you're selling jewelry in the middle of the mall.
joe rogan
These aren't diamonds.
These are nanodimons.
ali siddiq
These are nanodimons.
They're different.
But I believe that the earth has been hit by comics.
We're in the space.
How can you not?
There's evidence.
joe rogan
There's tons of evidence.
There's tons of evidence.
They found, was it Greenland or Iceland, that massive impact that they found?
The Earth's been hit so many times, man.
It wasn't just the Yucatan one that killed the dinosaurs.
It's been many, many, many, many, many, many, many times it's been hit.
And in fact, this comet shower that we go through every year, 31 kilometer, 19 mile wide meteorite crater discovered under a kilometer of Greenland ice had long puzzled scientists.
The Hawatha crater was exceptionally well preserved despite glacier ice being incredibly effective at erosion.
That's interesting.
Damn, that's big.
19 miles, is that what it said?
Yeah, there's a ton of those, man.
They're all over the world.
There's a big one that's outside of Australia that they found.
Giant craters where it just, it totally makes sense.
It totally makes sense.
So this guy, along with this guy named Graham Hancock, who's also been on the podcast many times, a good friend of mine, he has a documentary called Ancient Catastrophe.
Is that it?
Apocalypse, right?
Ancient apocalypse.
I always fuck those up.
Ancient apocalypse that's on Netflix.
It's amazing.
And it's all talking about these insane structures that people built in Africa, in Asia, all over the world, in Turkey.
These insane structures that predate modern civilization.
These are like 5,000 years before we think Mesopotamia emerged.
Huge stone columns, huge structures that they know for sure were 11,000 years old.
The show's amazing.
It's an amazing show.
ali siddiq
I think I watched this.
joe rogan
It's really good.
And it's, you know, he only goes, he only touches the surface because there's so many of these all over the world and Egypt is the best example.
Egypt is a fantastic example because there's stuff that's under the sand that's even older than the massive stuff that's above the sand and the stuff under the sand that they find when they dig deeper, it's a totally different style of building.
ali siddiq
This is what the ex-Clan used to rap about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And Poor Righteous Teachers, that whole brand newbie.
This is the pyramids and building of the stones and Egypt, the whole Egyptian culture, Timbuktu, the whole thing.
Been around for a long time.
joe rogan
That's the wild shit.
The wild shit is that if it wasn't for those stones, If everybody lived like we live today, in glass houses and shit, there'd be nothing left.
There'd be nothing.
What would you find like a regular house made out of wooden glass?
What the fuck is going to be there in 10,000 years?
Zero.
Zero.
There'd be nothing left.
You'd find nails.
Oh, look, I found a nail.
What would you find?
You'd find a few things.
But most of it would be consumed by the earth.
ali siddiq
Yeah, most of it.
joe rogan
But those guys, they figured out something that no one...
unidentified
They bullshit that they could figure out how to do that today.
joe rogan
They don't know how to do that today.
ali siddiq
Somebody just came up with the whole this building with wood.
But it was probably stone.
Like in Haiti, they build with stone.
Jamaica, they still build with stone.
The whole house made out of cement.
Most places do that.
They have hurricanes.
joe rogan
Their houses have to be sturdy as fuck.
ali siddiq
So I don't know what was going on in Egypt at that time when they was building like that.
joe rogan
I think they were beyond advanced.
I think we are...
Graham Hancock has this amazing quote.
He said that human beings are a species with amnesia.
ali siddiq
Oh yes, for sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
ali siddiq
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
And I think the way we've gone today technologically with like phones and microphones and video cameras and shit, like we've gone into an electronic technology.
I think they went into another technology that was different, a different path.
But way more powerful.
They were able to move stones out of the mountains and move them 500 miles.
They don't have any fucking idea how they did it.
ali siddiq
The necessity, you know, we're figuring out things from necessity.
joe rogan
That, but I think thousands of years of thinking.
I think, you know, when we think about the Industrial Revolution and we think about the way the world was just 2,000 years ago to now, I think those people were recovering.
I think those people 2,000 years ago were recovering from shit that happened thousands of years before that, where people were just knocked back into barbarism.
Just survival of the fittest.
Just wild shit.
Because there was nothing left.
We live in a Mad Max apocalypse.
Even worse.
Nuclear winter.
When those things hit into the ground, the massive floods come, it also kicks up dust in the atmosphere.
Nothing grows.
People are probably cannibalizing each other.
It was probably horrific.
ali siddiq
You ever read the book, The Ice Age and Inheritance?
joe rogan
No.
ali siddiq
This is where it talks about people, how they went into the Ice Age and then they had to start cannibalizing each other because there was nothing growing and all of these other things.
Like, wow.
Do you think we survive that now?
joe rogan
I think you and me might survive.
I know a lot of people aren't going to get eaten.
Some people can fucking keep it together and some people can't, you know?
It's gonna be hard and it's not gonna be fun and life might not be worth living in comparison.
ali siddiq
Yeah, in comparison.
joe rogan
So that's the thing, like, if you lived on the Great Plains in the 1800s and you were a Native American, that was your whole life, that's all you knew.
You knew how to hunt buffalo, you knew how to make teepees, you knew how to live off the land, that's all you knew.
If you took some fucking person from the east side of Manhattan, some person that worked some cushy office job, And he said, Jerome, this is your new life.
You're gonna live on the plains.
And you're gonna make your own arrows.
And you're gonna go fucking run around and try to shoot him into Buffalo.
And there's no doctors.
ali siddiq
So is this what Naked and Afraid is about?
Are they getting ready for the apocalypse?
joe rogan
No, they're just exploiting dummies.
They're just having fun with people's dicks.
Blurring them out of TV. It's crazy.
That show's crazy.
That show's crazy.
It's so dumb.
ali siddiq
Niggas in the phrase XL, they got like 13 people out.
You gotta meet up and form a tribe.
joe rogan
Yeah, they could do something like that.
People would go evil real quick.
If there was competing tribes, people would go evil real quick.
ali siddiq
I think it's gonna...
If it jumps...
No.
Okay.
Well, during Katrina, it was survival of the fittest.
Yes.
During this flood in Houston, it was survival of the fittest.
joe rogan
Yes.
ali siddiq
It's been some times where people have shown their colors.
joe rogan
Yes.
ali siddiq
In small pockets.
Yeah, like my friend, he used to brag about having this Maserati, and when the flood happened, his Maserati was floating down the street, and I was in my truck.
I was like, hey, you want me to come pick you and your Maserati up?
Because you're in a bad position, my boy.
In Texas, you need a truck.
You know, and it was survival.
He couldn't move nowhere, so he needed help.
joe rogan
Yeah, when the freeze came out here, I was having that time of my life.
I loved it.
With snow everywhere and ice on the streets, because I have a 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser that I had built like an apocalypse vehicle.
It's lifted.
It's got off-road tires.
It's got steel bumpers.
It's got a winch.
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Yeah, so yeah, you was having a good time.
joe rogan
Big-ass gas tank.
Huge gas tank.
ali siddiq
You was having a good time.
joe rogan
I was having a great time.
Because that car's meant for that.
It was like my golden retriever when he sees the snow.
When he sees the snow, he's like, woo!
He rolls around on his back.
It's like he's having a party.
It's the best thing he's ever seen.
That's what it's like when my truck saw that snow.
My truck was like, yee-haw!
Everybody else is, like, in Corvettes.
They're sliding into oncoming traffic.
ali siddiq
Yeah, that's what happens when you have one of them little low-built cars or sports cars, and you don't have an off-road vehicle, something that's sturdy that can move things.
Like, I have a truck, and my truck is built for that.
joe rogan
If you're only going to have one vehicle in Texas, a truck is the way to go.
ali siddiq
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
It really is.
Just in case.
Just in case.
It's the sign of the most pampered society that people have cars that you can't even fit luggage in and they're just fast.
You have a race car, sir.
Why are you driving around town in a fucking race car?
Where are you going?
ali siddiq
Hey man, nothing like getting out of a truck in a tuxedo.
Yeah, right?
With boots on.
That's what I see the guys.
I'm like, man, that's crazy.
But man, a truck is the way to go.
joe rogan
People don't want to think about things going sideways, but they have all throughout history.
All throughout history, there's been natural disasters.
There's been wars.
There's been crazy shit all throughout history.
ali siddiq
So why don't people want to think about that?
joe rogan
Because we like to think about what's in front of us right now.
The human mind is set up essentially for survival, right?
And we have the exact same brains as people that lived 10,000 years ago.
So the people that lived 10,000 years ago, if they in fact were hunter and gatherers, and they probably were hunter and gatherers because the people before them were far more advanced and they were rebooting society.
That's what I think.
But those people, that life that they lived was all about get some fucking food, find out what the dangers are around you right now in terms of your enemies and predators, and get some fucking food and feed your family and try to stay alive.
That's all anybody wanted.
They just wanted to stay alive.
So we have that in our head.
And shit like climate change and UFOs, it's like, what am I gonna do with that?
Shit like, what if the power goes off?
Yeah, but the power's on now.
Shut the fuck up.
I gotta deal with now.
I gotta deal with right now.
We're designed for the now.
ali siddiq
I don't think like that.
I think long-term.
joe rogan
Your guys experienced some very difficult moments in your life.
That's what it is.
You've experienced a lot of adversity.
ali siddiq
I guess that's the reason, but I'm always thinking long-term.
I always got a, you know, like I'm Jason Bourne, like I'm on the move.
I got my passport and cash.
I can't live for the now.
I used to be like that.
And that was too fast.
Way too fast.
joe rogan
Well that's a young man's game.
Young man's game is the now.
You know, talk to a 19-year-old kid, they're not thinking about fucking climate change.
ali siddiq
I wish somebody would've told me in 19, hey, listen, climate change.
Yeah, maybe my tomatoes will be able to survive.
I think, you know, with having a healthy love for the elderly, because I would, you know, prefer to be one one day, you know, I would like to set things up for those people that's doing it now for when I get there.
I don't want to wait and then get there and then be struggling.
Well, I'm 65 and I don't understand what's going on, because comics, most comics don't have a retirement plan.
joe rogan
Most comics don't even have a monthly plan.
Comics are the wildest fucking people I know.
They're the wildest people I know.
They spend all their money.
ali siddiq
And it was crazy.
That's very true.
That is very true.
unidentified
Very true.
ali siddiq
You know, I can't even think of all the comics because I'm a planner.
How many comics have come to me?
Because they know I'm a planner and they just went out and just some wild shit.
Like, I'm just, hey man, I'm living in L.A. now.
What?
I just saw you Tuesday.
Yeah, I know.
And like, where you living at?
I don't know.
I'm just out here.
What the hell are you talking about?
And then a month later, hey man, I'm calling you from somebody else's phone.
unidentified
You think you can send me $300 so I can get a ticket to come home?
ali siddiq
Or how am I going to get it to you?
Hey man, you're going to have to wire it to this and that.
joe rogan
Some comics think that if they go to a spot, things will be different.
You know?
My wife and I lived in Colorado once for a little while, and we lived in like a log house on the top of a mountain.
And my wife had this idea that when she got in that log house, she'd start making bread.
ali siddiq
Joe, you wild, man.
You just moved to a log.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
The only thing that fucked me over was she got pregnant, and when women are pregnant at very high altitude, this is at 8,800 feet.
It's very high.
It's real rough on them.
Real bad.
It's like the flu every day.
And we went back to L.A. And when we went back to L.A. for like a week or two, she was fine.
And then we went back to Colorado, kick right back in.
I was like, oh no.
And then I read that Colorado, specifically Denver, has a very high rate of, unusually high rate of premature births.
They attribute to the high altitude.
It's rough.
It's rough on women.
So we had to get out of there.
If it wasn't for me, it was just me by myself, I'd still be up there.
I would have never started a podcast.
I'd still be up there living in the woods.
ali siddiq
I loved it.
joe rogan
I loved it.
I loved that Land Cruiser.
I'd just be like sitting there chilling.
ali siddiq
That's the life that I'm going towards.
unidentified
I love it.
ali siddiq
Just being able to farm and grow my own vegetables.
joe rogan
Yes.
ali siddiq
Go outside and have my own eggs and goats and things of that nature.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's very satisfying.
There's something very satisfying.
Just even about the idea of that, that's very satisfying.
ali siddiq
Not having to be some...
I think that's the...
I'm going to slow down in 2025. I have a plan.
Knock out Domino Effect 3 and 4. And then kind of relax for a while.
Because I don't think people know this about comics.
You've probably experienced it.
My body is on some type of clock where I have to be somewhere even when I don't, which is troublesome to me.
I've gotten up And packed all my things up and didn't realize that I was already where I'm supposed to be.
Because my body is like, my mind basically is, you're supposed to be somewhere.
So it takes me, if I go on vacation, it has to be for like two weeks because the first week, It's crazy.
Like, my mind is set on this clock of, you got a performance, you got to be somewhere, you got this to do, you got it.
And I don't like that feeling.
joe rogan
I got out of that.
It took me a long time to get out of that.
But I got out of that where I can enjoy a vacation.
I can just chill.
I got out of that where I could just sit in my backyard sometimes.
Just sit down.
Have a cocktail.
Just relax.
ali siddiq
That's what I want to do.
Just be able to just sit and have nothing to do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think there's a real pleasure in that, if you earn that, and you definitely have earned that.
There's real pleasure in that, but people like you and people like me that are constantly on the road and constantly working on this and working on that, it's like you're on this momentum, and it's hard to hit the brakes going downhill.
Jesus fucking Christ, like Flintstone brakes.
You know, it's hard.
It's hard to slow down.
ali siddiq
And you got to get to a place where you feel like, or have a plan to get to a place where, okay, this is it for a while.
And then detox for that month.
A month of not doing shows is horrible.
It's weird.
It's horrible.
joe rogan
You get addicted to it, right?
ali siddiq
It took me a while to get it.
It took me about two months to really get into the pandemic.
But once I got into it, I didn't want to come out of it.
I was like, man, I'm cool, man.
I can be with my family every day.
I'm growing.
My vegetables are looking good.
I'm having a good time.
I don't have to be anywhere.
I can just go to the front and pick on my camera, hey, what's happening, and talk for a minute and then be done.
Wow, it was beautiful.
It was beautiful.
joe rogan
So why'd you go back?
ali siddiq
The addiction of being a performer.
Killing.
Addicted to, you know, having to finish the story.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
You know, Domino Effect, you know, was in my mind and Domino Effect 2 was in my mind.
So I was like, man, I got to get back to...
I think they were tired of me.
They were like, hey, he's been here too long.
Maybe I was feeling cool, and they were like, nah, he need to go work somewhere.
He's doing everything.
He's painting and building.
I was building something every week.
It was great.
joe rogan
Well, that's why it always drives me crazy when people say they get bored.
Like, how are you bored?
ali siddiq
I get bored.
joe rogan
There's so much to do.
You just gotta find the thing.
ali siddiq
And if it's not...
If you don't have anything to do, just go experience something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Go check something out.
ali siddiq
Get moving.
joe rogan
Don't stay home.
Don't just stay put.
That's why you're bored.
There's nothing coming at you.
Go somewhere.
ali siddiq
Stay put.
I haven't heard that in a long time.
My grandmother, she would say that because back then you couldn't go into, couldn't take children to liquor stores.
And my grandmother would get out the car, she'd leave us in the car, hey, hey, stay put.
My grandmother told me, be right here when she get back or she gonna beat our ass.
I was like, like what?
Like how did that even come into the conversation?
But we was right then when she got back.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
We stood put.
joe rogan
Stay put.
Yeah, staying around and being bored.
I mean, of course that's what's going to happen.
People wonder why they're depressed.
I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people are depressed, but some people are depressed just because they're not doing anything.
ali siddiq
Oh, man.
joe rogan
You're just fucking filled with anxiety and just nothing.
You're just, like, alone, just trying to think of something to do.
Bored out of your fucking mind.
ali siddiq
Which is crazy.
How you can't think of nothing to do when it's all outside?
I can walk outside because I'm from that era where we used to play outside.
So if I go outside, I'm going to find something to do.
If I find another person, we're going to find something to do.
If we find another person, oh no, this is a football game.
All we need is three people in a ball, and we're throwing this ball up in there.
It's a hot ball.
We're going to do something.
Something's happening.
joe rogan
Do you remember children's playgrounds, how fucking dangerous they were?
With those metal contraptions, those houses you would climb inside of?
ali siddiq
You thought that was dangerous?
joe rogan
Do they have those today?
ali siddiq
I think they...
But they made out of rope now, and it's really dangerous.
joe rogan
Oh.
ali siddiq
It's some little corded rope.
You tear your hand up like...
I prefer the balls.
I grew up with the balls.
You could swing from them.
That was my thing, the balls.
Even the spinning.
Oh man, I think I know people who dislocated their shoulder on the spinning thing.
Some big grown kid would come and spin all the kids on the thing.
And if you didn't hold on and they'd keep spinning and then you'd just let go with your head, you can't hold it no more.
Those are the days of concussions, good concussions.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you learned.
You definitely learned what hurts.
ali siddiq
Definitely learned what hurts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Like, you never let the big kids spin your head ever again.
joe rogan
Those little big kids are mean.
ali siddiq
It was crazy.
You six.
Hey, man, you know you're 13, right?
Like, why are you even over here?
joe rogan
Especially boys.
Teenage boys are the most fucking dangerous animals on the planet.
ali siddiq
Man, do you understand?
I lived in some apartments where these guys, they were old, they was high teens, and when you went to go check the mail, because the mailbox was by the pool, they would try to throw you in the pool.
And you're going to take the mail and your mother will tell you, hey, don't bring my damn mail back here wet.
And you would have to sneak to the mailbox and open the mailbox so quietly.
Get the mail, and you hope that nobody see you, because if anybody saw you, they're going to say, hey, here's the mailbox!
And now you got to run.
Now you got to run, because they're going to throw you.
I remember one time I got thrown in, and I tried to hold the mail up.
I hate the performance, man.
I hate them.
joe rogan
Teenage kids.
They're fucking dangerous.
Because they have man strength, and they just got it.
They just got it.
It's like lottery winners.
They're like lottery winners.
They just start spending all their money.
You know, lottery winners, they go broke quick because they're like, they never had this before and all of a sudden they have it.
When you're 13 and all of a sudden you kind of have a man body and you're 14 and you're strong as shit and little kids, you could just yell at them and tell them what to do and make them do shit and smack them around.
ali siddiq
The problem is this.
When you do that, and then one of the kids that you hurt have uncles that's close to your age.
You're 14, 15, and his uncle is 19, and he don't care nothing about that.
Yo, hey man, you heard my little cousin?
And then...
And he got a little more skill.
He got a little more attack to his newfound male strength.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know how to use it.
A 19-year-old is very different.
You get 19 and 20 and, you know, those are men.
ali siddiq
I was, you know, I was different.
I was a pretty good fighter at 19. I started fighting maybe around 10. You get some good ones.
I remember when I knew the difference between being 13 and being 19, when my cousin got into a fight with these guys, and this guy was thick.
All this was like really, he was a man.
And he pushed me just in the stomach.
He just pushed me.
He wasn't even trying to fight me.
He was, everybody get back!
And he pushed me and knocked all the air out of me.
I was like, man, what is happening?
And I slowly started going to the ground like...
If he would have actually punched me, like if he was trying to, he would have wiped me out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Because body shots are something different.
That's a different shot.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ali siddiq
People think that a body shot don't look as pretty as a shot to the head, but it's just as devastating, if not worse.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Like that Ryan Garcia one, where Javante Davis caught him with that left hook to the body.
People were saying that he quit.
ali siddiq
No.
joe rogan
He'd never been hitting the liver.
Oscar De La Hoya quit the same way with Bernard Hopkins.
ali siddiq
The same thing.
joe rogan
Same body shot.
ali siddiq
Same body shot.
And he tried to take a step out that corner and not the front of his foot even moved.
He just went down.
He was like, man, this is it.
joe rogan
And if you get kicked to the body.
ali siddiq
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
A kick to the body is so goddamn devastating, especially a spinning back kick.
You could literally pick someone up in the air.
It's like they got hit by a car.
ali siddiq
Any kick.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Want to see me when I was 19?
Show that video of me knocking that dude out when I was 19. This is from a Taekwondo tournament.
I hit this kid with a spinning back kick to the body.
So you can see how hard.
Man, I'm 150 pounds, 155 pounds.
ali siddiq
155 pounds spinning around, coming at you full forward, that's not...
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying even though I was light, like fairly light in comparison, the amount of power that you can generate with your legs and what your ribs are...
Me and my daughter were doing this little art project and we're drawing zombie, this zombie thing.
We're making this painting together.
And while we're doing this, we took a photo from the internet of an actual ribcage so we could do it right and draw it correctly.
And I'm looking at it and I'm like, look at this fucking weird protection of all your squishy organs that are underneath there.
I mean, when you really think about it, these little skinny-ass bones are the only thing that's protecting your soft lungs and your liver.
Like, this is me in the blue.
This was me when I was 19. That dude was done.
You get kicked in the body like that?
You just...
There's no volume on this.
But you get kicked in the body like that, it's the worst feeling in the world.
Everything shuts down.
You can't move.
You can't move.
Everything just goes...
It's just electrocution goes through your body.
Electric power.
Just the thump.
Just the compression of your organs.
Just your whole body going into shock.
Your whole spinal column getting jolted.
Your legs don't work anymore.
ali siddiq
That's the problem.
Your legs don't work.
joe rogan
They just stop working.
ali siddiq
Just nothing.
joe rogan
You could tell them whatever the fuck you want.
They're not listening.
ali siddiq
You're trying to send shockwaves from your brain to your legs, and then your legs are like, man, if you don't get the fuck out of here, I'm going down.
joe rogan
The most shocking to me was when I would get hit on the chin.
Because one time I got dropped, I got hit on the chin with a left hook, and my legs just went like this.
They just shut off.
Like, it wasn't like I got hurt.
Like, oh my god, I'm hurt.
I'm going down.
They just went shut off.
The legs just shut off.
And I was like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck was that?
They just stopped working.
It's like my whole system got short-circuited.
They just go, boink!
What a stupid design.
Just the jaw.
ali siddiq
The jaw is really the turning of the...
joe rogan
Sometimes not, though, because sometimes a straight shot just on the tip of the jaw knocks people out.
ali siddiq
It's the whole compression of the head going back.
joe rogan
I think there's something else going on, too, specifically with the jaw.
Because you could spin someone's head around in other ways, like on the cheek, and it doesn't seem to have the same effect the jaw does.
I think nerves behind the jaw.
ali siddiq
Let me tell you.
Whatever's going on in the jaw, I had a crown put in.
The guy went too deep when he...
joe rogan
We did a root canal?
ali siddiq
No, when he tried to numb me up to put it in.
So he damaged a nerve that's in the lining of the jaw.
And it took like two months for that shit to heal.
joe rogan
Really?
ali siddiq
And it was excruciating.
Like, it was excruciating.
joe rogan
Nerves are rough.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nerves take a long time.
ali siddiq
It was excruciating.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
It was like, and then I had to still perform.
And I was doing meet and greets.
And I was having the smiles.
And this crown here, oh my goodness.
joe rogan
So did it make your face paralyzed?
ali siddiq
It was, I was down my, I had to get all type of massages.
The line of my jaw, they had to adjust it like maybe four times.
Because it was terrible.
It was terrible.
It was terrible.
joe rogan
A lot of people get that, what is that called?
What's that disease when half your face goes?
unidentified
Bell's palsy.
joe rogan
Bell's palsy.
That's crazy.
ali siddiq
I know a couple guys with that.
joe rogan
Half your face just starts working.
ali siddiq
I know a couple guys with that bell's palsy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't realize how lucky you are to be healthy until you're not.
ali siddiq
You gotta take advantage of your health.
joe rogan
God, it's the most important thing and that's another thing.
People, they put all this effort into life and they don't put effort into that.
ali siddiq
Into health, which is crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
ali siddiq
And then don't Don't even try to look at the things that can make you more healthy.
The amount of research that people do, they'd rather scroll on their phone than just look up something that can be helpful to them personally.
Which is weird.
joe rogan
It's the same thing.
I think people don't think about the future that much.
I mean, they do a little bit, kind of abstract.
ali siddiq
I hate that whole, you gotta die from something.
Well, you ain't gotta die fucking miserable.
You ain't gotta die...
There's a lot of stuff that you don't have to die of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
That's...
joe rogan
Do you know there's more people dying today because they eat too much than starving to death for the first time in history?
ali siddiq
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
You know, Texas is the fastest state.
Good food.
joe rogan
Terry Black's Barbecue.
What's up?
Food here is fantastic.
ali siddiq
You know, people die from eating too much.
What's up, Terrence Blackburn?
unidentified
I definitely eat too much when I'm there.
joe rogan
We recreationally eat.
ali siddiq
Yes, we do.
We go just, oh man, let me go see what this is about.
In Texas, we are the king's In Queens of, let me just go check something out.
And go in there like, oh man, they got a new donut place.
Let's go see what they talking about.
Like, why?
Because we have the currency, we have the Got a nice surplus.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
It's hard to go on the road once you...
Texas is my home.
It's where I grew up, Houston especially.
We have great food.
So then you go on the road, other places, and they're like, I'm going to take you to the best barbecue place.
I'm going to take you to the best...
And then you get there, you're like...
joe rogan
You're spoiled.
unidentified
You're spoiled.
ali siddiq
Damn.
joe rogan
There's some places that have good barbecue.
Apparently Kansas City has good barbecue.
ali siddiq
Oh, no, not really.
joe rogan
No?
It's a different thing, right?
ali siddiq
Not like here.
joe rogan
No.
ali siddiq
Do you know where it came from?
L.A. has the worst Mexican food of all times to me.
joe rogan
Really?
ali siddiq
Yes, the worst.
joe rogan
Do you like Tex-Mex or regular Mexican?
ali siddiq
Well, regular Mexican, because I lived in a Mexican neighborhood in Houston, and they had the best food.
So I'm like, I don't know, them must be different.
Them Aztecas, I don't know.
They're different Mexicans.
joe rogan
There's some spots in California.
You just got to go to the spots where the Mexicans go.
ali siddiq
That's what, like, when I'm in L.A., It's some food.
I'm like, this is y'all best?
joe rogan
I used to go to this place in the valley called the Big Burrito.
They got like Mexican soap operas playing.
Nobody speaks English.
They have like lengua, quesadillas.
ali siddiq
See, that's everywhere in Houston.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ali siddiq
So it's like that's the spot.
The real shit.
Yes.
That's where I'ma go.
I learned how to make tamales.
I learned how to make tamales in this store called Fiesta from this Mexican lady who did not speak English.
And she had a granddaughter translating what she wanted me to write down.
And that's how I learned.
I got the pots.
I grind them.
I say the whole nine.
So it's hard for me to go places and say that I was in St. Louis.
Kansas City, they're talking about, oh, they got the best soul food, seafood place.
I was like, okay, cool, I'ma go.
I was, we eating, it was like this, hey man, look, when you don't season your batter, see that's a normal thing everywhere in Houston.
It's too many fish places that I can go to eat.
And then when Maryland, we got the best blue crab.
Man, I live on the Gulf.
You don't think we have blue crab here?
We got a lot of food here.
A lot of food.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
A lot.
joe rogan
It's a lot.
It's a good place to eat.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some good spots in the country.
There's some great food places in the country.
ali siddiq
I'm picky.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You got a specific kind of food you like to eat?
ali siddiq
I eat.
That's the problem.
I eat everything, all cultures, if your food is good.
I live in a place that happens to have all cultures and they have great food.
If I want any type of African food, I can just go on Vincentette in Houston.
I can start at any end of business and I'm going to find good average.
We have five Chinatowns in Houston.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's five Chinatowns?
ali siddiq
Five Chinatowns.
joe rogan
Isn't Houston the third biggest city in the country?
ali siddiq
Yes.
joe rogan
That's a big country.
unidentified
That's a big city for this country.
ali siddiq
Man, it's a place.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
It's a place that has all food.
I got Cuban food.
I got...
joe rogan
Well, Houston was the best comedy scene in the world at one point in time, in the 80s.
ali siddiq
I still think that Houston is the greatest comedy scene.
We put out a lot of great comics.
We don't have the clubs anymore, though.
That's the thing.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Improv is there, Secret Group is there.
joe rogan
They used to have the Laugh Stop.
ali siddiq
They used to have the Laugh Stop, the Laugh Spot.
joe rogan
The Laugh Spot went under, too?
ali siddiq
Yeah, both.
Do you remember Spellbinders?
joe rogan
I heard about it.
I never went there.
ali siddiq
Yeah, we had Spellbinders and then Improv bought out what the Spellbinders is.
So it's the Improv and the Seeker group.
And then I think they got a new comedy club called Rise.
Then Comedy Lounge on the north side.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the improv's a great club.
That's a great club.
That was the first club I did coming back.
I did that in July.
I did one weekend.
And then I got real high and I got paranoid that I was going to give people COVID, like my guests, because I'm so selfish and I want to do the road.
Even though I was getting tested every day, I was like, what if it slips?
What if I got to put false negative?
So I stopped.
But I had a great time there.
ali siddiq
Speaking of great clubs, I stopped in last night at the mothership.
joe rogan
That's pretty wild, right?
ali siddiq
Pretty nice.
That's a nice comic club.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Very comic friendly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, the comic built it.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I built it specifically just for us.
I didn't build it like a business.
It's like if I was my accountant, I'd go crazy because the whole idea was I just want to break even.
I just want to build it and make it the most friendly place ever for comedians.
So the comedians make plenty of money.
Everybody's happy.
The place is packed.
ali siddiq
It's a beautiful room.
That's a beautiful curtain.
joe rogan
Thank you.
ali siddiq
The way the lights.
Yeah, it's dope.
Then the name, Fat Man and Little Boy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what that's from?
ali siddiq
Yeah, the bombs.
joe rogan
But you know why?
ali siddiq
No, I don't know why you did it.
joe rogan
Because that's when the UFO started coming.
ali siddiq
That's when UFO started coming?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's part of UFO folklore.
That's why when you walk in the middle of the lobbies, that giant UFO, that's what that's for.
That UFO is a replica of that, and that is a replica of the craft that Bob Lazar...
A guy was a propulsions expert who was a whistleblower who worked at Area S-4 in Area 51 in the Nevada desert, back-engineering alien spacecrafts, supposedly.
But this is what he described, and that's what we put in there.
The whole club, the whole idea of the comedy mothership, the whole idea is the club's themed on UFOs.
That's the whole idea behind it.
That's why there's that crazy gateway over the stage.
It looks like a starport.
ali siddiq
I like that.
joe rogan
When they detonated the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that's when UFOs start coming.
And all the UFO activity ramped up substantially.
ali siddiq
Why do you think that is?
joe rogan
Because I think they realized we have nukes.
Like, these crazy motherfuckers.
They just wipe out whole cities with nukes.
These fucking assholes.
They had to come down and go, whoa, whoa, whoa.
What are you doing, man?
What the fuck are you doing?
unidentified
That's why you think they came like a nuclear weapon.
ali siddiq
What the fuck is going on?
Who gave them nuclear weapons?
joe rogan
Well, I think they realized we reached a level of technological sophistication that we could kind of kill everybody on Earth.
ali siddiq
Oh, you think one of them went rogue and taught us?
joe rogan
I don't think one of them went rogue and taught us because there's a very, like if you go and look at the Manhattan Project and you go and look at the history of splitting the atom, there's a very clear academic paper trail of how they figured this out and all the trials that they did and what they did when they detonated the Trinity bomb, which by the way was one of the first times they ever discovered those nanodiamonds.
It's called, I think they called Trinitite.
And it's like nuclear glass, they call it as well.
And it's what happens when a massive impact hits sand.
And it turns it into this kind of glass.
ali siddiq
I think that...
Because when it come with all the visits...
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
What were they visiting to do?
Because I know, you know, they all say like we caught one or something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
You know, if you did, did you try to torture him and get stuff out of him?
What would be the thing?
But what were the visits if they weren't teaching something?
Because I believe in it.
I just don't know what they were visiting to do.
joe rogan
Well, the way I describe it is there's a great show on Netflix called Chimp Empire, and Chimp Empire is all about these scientists that are embedded in this chimp tribe, and they've been there for 30 years.
Because these scientists have been there for 30 years, the chimpanzees behave like there's no people there.
They can get within 20 feet of these chimpanzees.
Chimpanzee, as long as they don't eat in front of them, and as long as they never present any sort of danger, raise their voices, and as long as they just stay back, the chimps don't pay attention to them at all.
They just go throughout their life.
And so these scientists are observing these chimpanzees, and then these cinematographers captured all of this.
I think the way we treat chimpanzees is probably...
And they let them kill each other.
They do wild shit to each other, these chimps.
They engage in territorial warfare.
They fight over access to fruit.
I think the aliens would treat us the same way.
I think they would observe us, but not do anything.
And I think if we did something fucking dangerous, like nuclear bombs, then they would go, whoa, okay.
Because I think if alien societies do exist...
An intelligent life is out there in the universe.
I think what happens is they keep getting more and more and more and more sophisticated.
And in the beginning, they engage in tribal warfare.
And as they become more and more sophisticated, their technology becomes far too dangerous to keep doing that same shit.
And that's when they observe them.
Because it's this perilous tipping point.
Where we could completely wipe out life on Earth or we can evolve and get to the next stage of existence where we could coexist harmoniously throughout the universe and join some fucking global, you know, some rather universal group of beings.
It's possible, but the only way that's possible is if we don't nuke ourselves.
ali siddiq
So, with the chimpanzees, the scientists are there, they're observing them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And they see them, they don't pay attention.
See, the problem with us, that we're scared.
If we see an alien, I'm not gonna not pay attention.
unidentified
Of course.
ali siddiq
I'm gonna, ah!
Who the fuck?
Yeah, of course.
It's like men in black.
They gotta look normal.
I believe that it's definitely other life forms.
It's definitely other civilizations that's happening that we're just not ready for.
I don't think we're ready.
I don't think we're ready.
We've got to be groomed.
joe rogan
Do you think that there's all these UFO sightings and the government talking about UFOs and this whistleblower that came out and said there's a crash retrieval program and we have crashed vehicles and they've recovered alien bodies?
ali siddiq
You believe and I believe, but it's the old man like, hell no.
I'm not messing with it.
Because he not ready for the difference.
It's on hillbilly that just now got used to seeing black people.
unidentified
For gray people.
ali siddiq
He ain't ready for shit else.
He's like, hey man, what else, man?
God damn!
He got like six eyes, man.
What is this shit?
He's like, he's not ready.
He's not ready, man.
joe rogan
I wonder if that's what they're doing by these sightings.
I wonder if it's like a trickle effect.
Give us a little bit.
ali siddiq
Like with the Jetsons.
We still don't believe in the Jetsons.
And we, like, nobody...
So they were already pulling people up on big screens, talking to each other and shit on the Jetsons.
And my mother was watching the Jetsons.
Who thought that the Jetsons...
So when it happened, you just went and got it.
Ah, it's $800.
You just got excited about having it.
Instead of, what the fuck?
Now you...
Because it's the Jetsons.
You in this time frame.
It has to be a grooming.
It's like, okay...
Let's see how they act with E.T. Okay, they seem to love that movie.
Shit, let's throw Alf out there.
Let's see if they ready for a furry one.
Alf?
unidentified
I forgot about Alf.
ali siddiq
Then it's like, hey, maybe the Muppets.
Maybe the Muppets is a big-ass bird.
Just rolling around and talking stuff.
Then we advance up to...
What was that?
The Man from Mars and then The Great Gazoo and then now we up to Men in Black and this shit is alright.
You know, because it's, you know, the man, it's a trickle, it's a I've got to keep feeding it to them.
And then all of a sudden, you just see somebody just come down the spaceship at McDonald's.
I'm like, hey, what's up, y'all?
Y'all good?
Let me get two Big Macs.
We love y'all.
It's Earth food.
And then you're like, hey, man, you saw that?
Yeah, I saw that shit last week.
And then that's it.
Now you've got to get accustomed to it.
joe rogan
What year was the Jetson supposed to be?
jamie vernon
I just looked...
unidentified
It was made in 1962, and it was a hundred years in the future.
joe rogan
A hundred years in the future.
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
So, 2062. Wow.
And here's some of the stuff they had.
joe rogan
They had flying cars.
They'll never get us that.
Hell yeah.
ali siddiq
Robotic dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
People drunk flying.
Hell no.
joe rogan
They had robotic vacuums, video calls, tablet computers, robotic house help.
They had tablets?
ali siddiq
Yes.
joe rogan
I don't remember that.
ali siddiq
He worked for Spicely Spockets.
joe rogan
Flying cars, smartwatches, they had smartwatches, drones, holograms, 3D printed food, oh yeah, that's right.
They had a pill cam.
You swallow it, it sees your body.
Oh, look at George.
He knows that's going up his ass.
unidentified
Flat screen TVs.
ali siddiq
Jetpacks.
joe rogan
Jetpacks.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a few other articles that do the same thing, but...
joe rogan
The jetpacks they have now, you see that one dude that's got wings on his jetpack and they've caught him flying around buildings and shit?
I don't think they last long.
I think you can only stay up there for a few minutes.
But you can fucking fly until you run out of gas.
jamie vernon
This is older.
This is not it.
ali siddiq
What is this one?
jamie vernon
That was 10 years ago.
joe rogan
What's the most recent?
What can they do now?
jamie vernon
I've seen that guy, I think, in...
It might be Dubai, yeah.
joe rogan
Jetwing suit?
jamie vernon
I think it's the best one there is right now.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's it.
ali siddiq
What the hell is that?
joe rogan
That is fucking wild.
The jetwing.
ali siddiq
What type of pajama suit?
joe rogan
Is there a video of these guys using this?
jamie vernon
I figured it would be on their website.
We go to their Instagram.
ali siddiq
You definitely gotta have on a fireproof pajama set.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at this motherfucker.
ali siddiq
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at him.
He's flying around buildings.
ali siddiq
That shit crazy.
joe rogan
What are the odds of those things failing?
I mean, that's not like a Toyota Corolla.
Those things aren't reliable.
That's fucking emerging technology.
unidentified
You're gonna be risking your life flying over highways?
joe rogan
That's wild.
ali siddiq
Hell no.
joe rogan
But if that happens in the future, the problem is people are just going to be doing it just like you see people on the highway.
Riding wheelies, just flying down the highway.
ali siddiq
Just wild shit.
joe rogan
Wild shit.
They're going to be doing that in the air.
Slamming into houses.
ali siddiq
That's why they're not going to give you flying cars.
I'm really not messing with this car.
Just get in and just let the car drive for you.
I'm not trusting it like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't trust it.
I have it.
I don't trust it.
ali siddiq
You have it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have a Tesla.
ali siddiq
Then you just get in and just...
joe rogan
I can.
ali siddiq
And say, hey, take me to...
joe rogan
Enter in your address that you want to go to.
Press auto-navigate.
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And it take off by itself.
joe rogan
Stops at red lights.
unidentified
Woo!
ali siddiq
No.
joe rogan
You're supposed to keep your hand on the wheel, though.
ali siddiq
You're supposed to keep your hand on the wheel?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just in case.
ali siddiq
Man, I be seeing people, you know, lay back.
unidentified
Snoozing.
ali siddiq
Like, nah, I can't.
unidentified
Woo!
ali siddiq
I can't do it.
joe rogan
So that's a driverless taxi?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I've seen them around Austin.
joe rogan
I've seen them, too.
Do they just drive real slow?
ali siddiq
Man, I'm not checking for it, fam.
I'm not doing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the future.
We're looking at that.
ali siddiq
I think people don't realize that they're trying to get rid of you with this.
I don't do self-checkout because it doesn't make sense to me.
Why am I helping them get you out of here?
And I know I want to talk to a person if something goes wrong.
I don't do self-checkout.
Plus, I don't come nowhere to work.
I just got off work.
Why would I come in here to work?
joe rogan
Well, you're from a different generation.
And the generation of kids that are coming up today, do you know how many of them Uber?
They don't even have cars?
ali siddiq
Crazy.
joe rogan
A lot of people Uber now.
They just take Lyfts and Ubers everywhere.
ali siddiq
Okay, so this generation Uber.
Then the next generation Uber.
Who knows how to drive the car in the third generation?
joe rogan
Well, then you're going to be having these things.
There's going to be a generation, whether it's our grandchildren or their grandchildren, that never drives.
No one drives their own car.
Everybody has an automated vehicle.
ali siddiq
That's like writing.
Kids don't learn in school how to write.
joe rogan
They don't learn cursive.
ali siddiq
And they don't learn cursive.
That's crazy to me.
That's insane.
It's insane.
joe rogan
They're all just typing on their phones and typing on the computer.
ali siddiq
That don't mean get rid of writing.
That's crazy.
They took the clock out of the school because people have digital...
But you still want them to be able to tell...
America is not the world.
Like, you know, you're going to probably go somewhere else in the world and you're going to have to write something.
Like, that's crazy.
joe rogan
And you see a clock and you're like, what the fuck is that saying?
You're used to digital.
ali siddiq
And then when you used to get offended, when people said stupid to Americans, now you're like, I understand.
What do you mean?
unidentified
This country is crazy, man.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's some Americans, they go abroad, they just act like fucking assholes.
unidentified
You know, they think they're allowed to, because they're in another country.
ali siddiq
They ruin it for everybody else.
No, I think locked up abroad has changed that whole ideology.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ali siddiq
Locked up abroad has changed, oh, I'll go anywhere and do whatever I want to do.
Like, you've seen the show Locked Up Abroad?
No.
Watch a couple episodes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Watch a couple episodes and then go over to Yugoslavia and see how you feel about that, man.
And then when people get taken.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Like, man, I don't go anywhere and don't check in with the embassy.
Really?
I need somebody to know where I'm at.
joe rogan
So when you go to a country to work, you check in with the embassy?
ali siddiq
Yeah, hey, I need to know where y'all at and what's the room.
Yeah, I need to know because I'm not going somewhere and don't know where the embassy is.
I watch Jason Bourne.
At least you can run to the embassy and you're safe, at least in that.
But if I go to Dallas, I live in Houston.
If I go to Dallas, I'm checking in with the embassy.
I'm nothing.
unidentified
I'm nothing.
ali siddiq
I need somebody to know I'm at, man.
I'm just not rocking with being in this world without somebody knowing my whereabouts.
Even though I'm a grown man, I'm going to say something to somebody, hey, I'm going to roll over here.
I need a witness or an alibi.
I need something.
I just...
I don't believe in being in the world by yourself.
I just don't.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
The world is definitely not America either.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
ali siddiq
It's not.
joe rogan
Like, look what happened to Brittany Griner.
That would not happen in America.
Russians come to America and they do all kinds.
Like Russians fight in the UFC almost every weekend and no one cares.
No one gets mad at them.
No one screams at them.
No one throws things at them.
They go out there.
People cheer when they win.
ali siddiq
There's a ton of Russian fighters that are in the UFC. You know, me and a friend of mine was talking, another comic, Gerard G. And we was talking, he said, man, this country is crazy.
Remember when Floyd Mayweather fought Manny Pacquiao?
joe rogan
Yes.
ali siddiq
In this same country where they, I'm talking about holding up the flag and the United States all the way.
We was talking.
He said, man, this is the first time he was at a fight party, a white fight party.
And this lady said, I hope he kicks the shit out of Floyd.
He said...
What?
He said, you couldn't find one Filipino in the world that was going for Floyd Mayweather.
Not one.
But you could find a bunch of Americans.
Somebody who was born and raised right in Michigan.
You could find a bunch of Americans who was wanting the Filipino to beat him.
joe rogan
That's true.
That's a very good point.
Filipinos are very proud.
Very nationalist people.
They love Manny Pacquiao.
ali siddiq
Yes.
Yes.
My son is a very gentle soul, and Manny Pacquiao is one of the ones I showed him.
I don't know, to be a boxer, my 12-year-old, he doesn't really want to beat you up.
I'm like, but I saw you don't have to hit people.
But then, you know, I'm just...
I said, let me show you one of the most gentle people in the world until he gets in that ring.
And I showed him Manny Pacquiao and Mike Tyson.
I was like, look, these are gentle people.
And then they get in the ring and another button happens.
That's how you're going to have to be.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Did you see the Mayweather Gotti thing yesterday?
ali siddiq
No, I didn't.
joe rogan
So, John Gotti, the mobster, his grandson...
ali siddiq
Okay, the brawl.
joe rogan
Yeah, so what happened was, this is the end of the fight, but see if you can find what caused it, because there's a video that shows the end of the fight, and in the end of the fight, what happened was, if you just Google, just tweet, like, put Mayweather Pacquiao in Twitter, you'll find it.
Excuse me, Mayweather Gotti.
ali siddiq
What caused it?
joe rogan
He was holding.
So he wouldn't stop.
Floyd was boxing him up.
Yeah.
So Floyd is just piecing him up.
So Floyd, you know, I mean, even at 46, he's the greatest of all time.
And this kid is really an MMA fighter.
He's a tough guy.
He caught Floyd a couple times with some little shots.
But mostly he's just getting boxed up, right?
Boxed up by literally the greatest boxer of all time.
But he was holding on quite a bit and wouldn't let go and was trying to like hold and clinch and hit, which is something like right here, which is something you can do in MMA. So he's protecting himself from Floyd, but he's not letting go.
And so Kenny Bayless gets tired of him not listening and not letting go.
And he pushes him off and he says, that's it.
I'm stopping this fight.
That's it.
You won't listen to me.
I am calling this fight.
So he goes crazy and gets away from Kenny Bayless and just starts wailing punches at Floyd.
Look at this.
Floyd catches him with a counter right there.
ali siddiq
Bang!
Knocked him way over the hand.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the other guy got in the way, too.
But, you know, I mean, it became a melee.
And so then there's fights in the ring, and then there's fights outside the ring, and there's all this cell phone footage of people brawling and sucker-punching each other.
unidentified
I saw some of that.
jamie vernon
That was...
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, here's the brawls outside.
ali siddiq
Just random brawls.
joe rogan
Just people just screaming and yelling at each other.
At the end of the day, he was just getting frustrated.
Floyd was just boxing him up, which is what he does.
ali siddiq
You came into his sport, got into his arena, you crawled into the snake hole, and then got mad at the snake for biting you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know why he didn't listen, why he didn't let go.
I don't know if they were talking shit to each other.
I don't know what was going on.
But Kenny said, that's it.
That was a wrap.
And then everybody went crazy.
ali siddiq
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Including him.
I probably didn't expect that.
Well, there's no points, right?
Because it's an exhibition.
What's interesting is Floyd's making more money than anybody, and he's boxing people who have no chance of beating him, and he's doing it as an exhibition.
It doesn't even hurt his record.
ali siddiq
Because of the drug of boxing.
Also money.
I don't even think he needs any money.
joe rogan
He spends so much money.
ali siddiq
Yeah, but he don't need any.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
ali siddiq
Yeah, Floyd good.
joe rogan
I bet if he's playing for the future, you got to keep it coming in if you're going to keep spending the way he spends.
ali siddiq
Yeah, but I think he has a lot of other business interests that he can get money from.
joe rogan
Hopefully.
ali siddiq
And not just boxing.
But it's the drug of getting...
Floyd still trains even when he doesn't have a fight.
jamie vernon
He posted this a week ago of all of the Air Force ones he buys.
He only wears them once and then gives them away to someone.
One fresh pair a day.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
He needs that money.
That money has to keep coming in if you're going to live like this.
jamie vernon
It's not that expensive, though, but...
joe rogan
He's only 46. But he does this with everything, man.
He's got million-dollar watches.
ali siddiq
I don't think he buys every pair.
joe rogan
They give them to them?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
Because then you get a video like that.
joe rogan
Right.
That's smart.
ali siddiq
And then you get Floyd's Air Force funds giving away for charity.
That's a tax write-off.
And all sorts of things that goes into that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got a good point.
But those million-dollar watches, they're not giving you those.
ali siddiq
They still, you know, worth whatever they worth.
Like, you got eight of them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look at all those diamonds.
That's ridiculous.
That's millions of dollars worth of diamonds.
That's bonkers.
ali siddiq
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Look at his watch.
Yeah, he's like a professional baller.
ali siddiq
That watch right there is not like...
I wouldn't wear it because it's not my thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Even if, you know, I had, I wouldn't wear it.
It's just not attractive to me.
joe rogan
No, I'm not into bling down watches either.
ali siddiq
Nah.
joe rogan
I like mechanical watches.
I like a metal.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I like.
But, you know, I get it.
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Metal.
joe rogan
Yeah, they work.
I like dive watches.
ali siddiq
Yeah, that's why I wear a watch that you can dive in.
joe rogan
Well, I wear them so you can set a timer.
Like, if I want to do something, I spin that little bezel and I can set it for 15, 20 minutes.
I always look down and know how much time has passed.
It's very convenient to have a little tiny watch.
ali siddiq
Very convenient.
joe rogan
It's great when someone's going on stage.
You're like, how long has he been up for?
Because sometimes you forget.
You're in the green room.
I just look at my watch.
ali siddiq
Boom.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't have to remember what time he went on stage.
Okay, he went on stage, 9.07, so what time is it now?
I don't have to do that.
As soon as someone goes on stage, they're like, all right.
ali siddiq
Bam.
joe rogan
Now I know.
It's perfect.
ali siddiq
Perfect.
joe rogan
Divewatch literally is designed for comedians.
It's great.
Someone's going on stage, they're doing 15 minutes, you can go outside, hang out, smoke a joint, go.
He's at 7, you know?
ali siddiq
And that's the perfect thing.
People don't understand.
And these are the things that we get away from using your brain because you, you know, take the clock down.
Insane.
unidentified
Well, that's the least of what's insane about schools today.
ali siddiq
Oh.
joe rogan
The biggest insanity is that it's not a cherished position to teach people.
It's not a position where you have the most qualified, the best people possible and they get paid really well because they have an incredible job.
They're educating the young children and that education can literally form the path that you go on for the rest of your life.
Your experiences that you have in schools with good teachers, they can shape and form you in a way that changes your whole life.
They can expose you to ideas that you never heard before and it changes the way you think about things.
It changes the path of your life.
ali siddiq
Yeah, they can do all of those things.
Or...
Okay, let's go to this point first.
New Zealand has the best school system, has teachers who get paid, and they also have the best teachers because they have people who want to be teachers.
I think that if it's not a position in this country where it's made attractive, where people can...
One, survive and actually have the way they really want to be teachers.
I think that sometimes we have a lot of people, like I grew up when, if the kids of the day of the day had my teachers, I think everything would be cool.
Because I had teachers that inspired thought and creativity.
And they wanted to be teachers.
That's the biggest thing when you have people who want to do their job.
Or it's more like a passion to them.
Every teacher I've ever known that was great used to tell me that this is a labor of love.
I love teaching.
I'm a teacher.
This is what I was designed to do.
I'm not waiting to do anything else.
And if you have teachers that'll walk out for more money, You should also walk out for a better curriculum as well if your desire is to teach children and to inspire the youth to be.
And I credit teachers for everything that I am.
You know, my mom's a teacher.
So it's like my friends are teachers.
My sister's in Thailand right now teaching English.
It's like I come from that.
And I always loved...
My science teacher was my coach, too.
He wasn't just the coach.
He was the math...
One year was the math teacher.
One year was the history teacher.
You know, it was people who desired and wanted to nourish children.
And the pay, it definitely has to be increased, but you have to...
Increase the quality of what you're paying for.
joe rogan
But don't you think that that's how you do it?
If you want to get better teachers, the better curriculum, don't you think you incentivize them with more money so you would get more motivated people?
ali siddiq
I think you do both at the same time.
You change the pay and you change the criteria of what it is to be a teacher.
joe rogan
Agreed.
ali siddiq
At the same time.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
ali siddiq
And then you put these kids in a system to where everything is nourishing, even down to the food.
You take all these cafeteria workers out and you put chefs back there.
You put some people and you teach them and give them time to dodge it.
Just change the whole system.
They should have an hour to eat and they should get a four-course meal.
They should be taught things while they're eating.
They should be in a very clean environment that you have.
I used to love that the custodian, when I was growing up, he always wanted to – he took pride in keeping the school clean.
It wasn't a job that was looked down upon because he did everything.
He was the maintenance man and the custodian.
And he used to be like, hey man, I got this bathroom clean in here.
Now y'all gonna stop pissing all over the damn...
That's how he used to talk to us.
We were in the fourth grade.
Hey, stop pissing all over the damn thing.
And I'm like...
Yes, sir.
And he taught you hygiene in the bathroom.
I think that you should change.
I see all these things where they changing how they house prisoners.
I get that.
But change how you teach children to where you don't have to house prisoners.
That's the goal.
You're doing the shit backwards.
And I don't get that part of it.
joe rogan
That's where I get worried.
And that's where I worry that, you know, I don't know how many times we've talked about it on this podcast, but it came up recently because there was a man named Bruce Bryan.
And he did 29 years for a crime that he didn't do.
And my friend Josh Dubin, who used to be, he used to work with the Innocence Project.
Now he does his own thing.
And he releases, he gets prisoners released.
He's an attorney, civil rights attorney.
And he goes to these places, finds these people.
We've talked about this so many times.
If they really wanted to fix it, what they would do is they would figure out the areas that have the most crime and dump a shitload of money in it and a shitload of time and effort and try to figure out how to mitigate all these problems in these places.
And you're going to have less people that go to those places.
And until they do that, they don't care.
And then you've got these fears of things like the prison guard unions that literally lobby to keep marijuana drug laws so that people keep going to jail, so they'll have more people in their jails, so they don't lose jobs, which is crazy.
That's crazy to think of.
Something as innocuous as marijuana.
And you've got prison guard unions who are actively trying to keep the laws in place so that they're employed.
So you got a private prison system.
So you got a prison system where you can make money, which is terrifying.
ali siddiq
So it's like this.
Been talking about this for years.
Glad you're talking about it.
Glad other people started talking about it.
So how do you boost up our economy when in a small town?
So you got in Texas, you have a lot of small towns.
And there's a place called LA, Texas.
So if you decide a Hondu, Texas.
So what you do is you put a prison in Hondu.
Which you employ the townspeople of Hondu, because they go through your system of training.
You don't have to have law enforcement, you just train them in how to run your system.
So you get some people that come from San Antonio, you get some people from Hondu, and then you boost the economy of Hondu.
Then you do that in multiple towns.
That's why the prison system is going to constantly do that because you're trying to boost the economy around your thing.
It's maybe 200 prisons in Texas.
joe rogan
Is it really?
That many?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
With that in private facilities where you have...
What they call transit units, which is, all of this stuff would be in Domino Effect 3, because I'm going to go through the first three years and then the last three years and show people how this system, you know, populates itself.
joe rogan
It's an industry.
ali siddiq
Yeah, it's definitely an industry.
joe rogan
That's what Bruce is explaining that the town in upstate New York where the prison he was in was located in, everyone relied on the prison.
The people that are generational, people that their families had worked as prison guards.
ali siddiq
You know how dangerous this is?
So you get into it with a guard on first shift.
On the first shift, you get into it with a guard on first shift.
So you get into it with Officer Smith on first shift.
Second shift, Officer Smith's mother and Officer Smith's brother work on the second shift.
Officer Smith's father works on the third shift.
Then he's a captain.
Do you know how much, you know how treacherous this becomes?
Because now something that happened on first shift, which is over because he's gone.
But it's been told to his brother and his mother.
So now you got a problem on second shift now.
And you have a problem on third shift.
So with a high-ranking person that's in a system that has no police outside of the The warden or the captain that's over them that's on another shift that's related to them that live in the same town with them.
Or that's married into them.
Or that's neighbors with them.
And then you...
How do you get contact?
You gotta write somebody.
Who you write and they review every letter.
In the people that's in the mailroom.
How you even know your letter even got out when his niece is working in the mailroom?
So you don't know.
Nobody knows that you even got beat and thrown in solitary confinement.
They could kill you and make up something because everybody is relying on the same thing.
You can't close the prison now.
Over one person getting killed, two people, ten people getting killed.
Okay, it happens in prison.
That's what people think that happens in prison.
No, it don't.
But when you put people in a small town, in a prison where everybody's related, everybody knows each other, this is what happens to people.
So it's not just a, you're not inside with one danger, you're inside with a lot of dangers.
Like most of the time, people don't think that they could get killed every day.
Or die every day.
They ain't your first thought.
But in this place, this is the thought.
I can be killed by the whites.
I can be killed by the Mexicans.
I can be killed by somebody black that don't like me just from a different side of town.
I can be killed by the officers.
That's a lot of mental strain on you every day if you don't learn how to navigate this.
But that's the system that you live in when you, especially if they're building prisons in a small town where everybody is, there's nobody to oversee this that has some other invested interest.
Like, if you was from another place, and you're like, I just want my prison to be ran right, And if I get any of these complaints, if something happens on this, you can regulate that, but when it's all the same, aw man, you in trouble.
You're in trouble.
joe rogan
And then, you make people work for 16 cents a day.
ali siddiq
Where do you get 16 cents at?
Not in Texas?
Whatever it is.
joe rogan
$16 a day?
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
What did Bruce Bryant say it was?
ali siddiq
No, zero dollars in Texas.
joe rogan
Zero dollars in Texas.
Zero.
ali siddiq
No, you see, I know about other places, that's why I'm saying they may get that in other places, but in Texas it's zero dollars.
joe rogan
What was it in Sing Sing?
Did he say $16 a day?
That's what he said, right?
Something insane.
In Texas it's zero.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And then you make things and they sell them.
ali siddiq
You make things and you sell them.
They sell them for sure.
And you clear fields and you grow crops and you do all that.
And some of that stuff, you eat what you grow.
You know what I'm saying?
So this has been a place.
This place is like no other place.
It's different.
joe rogan
And most people aren't aware of this.
ali siddiq
And they are unaware because Texas is very closed-lipped about how they operate.
They don't, like, on their show Lock Up, you done seen every other prison, every other prison system open their doors up to, hey, come and see how we do things.
Not Texas.
Not one time.
Texas is like, man, y'all better get out of here.
joe rogan
And they can.
ali siddiq
And they can't.
It's their own place.
Like if the people that come from other places and they get into, like in Houston, there's a lot of people that's coming from other places that doing crime and then they understanding that once the law enforcement system in Houston is different and it's big and they cross talk.
It's not like you can't be in Iowa County and not in Missouri, in Missouri City and Sugar Land and Harris County and Bel Air Police.
All these people, And the constables and the sheriffs, like all these people coincide with each other.
It's not like one system.
So when you get caught, they put you in Harris County's system.
And it's not no cakewalk.
And you're going to learn fast that it's not like...
They don't slap you on your wrist like other places.
No, you can get a life sentence in Houston easy.
Easy.
Do something out of pocket.
Like you was doing somewhere.
Oh, you gon' just carjack.
Alright, that's a capital offense.
You had a weapon while you was carjacking?
Oh, okay.
Capital.
What did that start with?
35. Whatever it is, it's gonna be 35 years and up.
So, get that wrapped around your mind.
Oh, you watched him come out the bank?
Oh, you premeditated robbing?
Oh, okay.
Sure got you on video too.
And you had a weapon?
Oh, yeah.
Capital.
Like, damn.
Man, you get hit with so many charges and then they find out you got a weapon.
You got a weapon?
This is how they point at you.
You got a weapon?
Capital.
They ready to throw capital on everything because they need more people to put in these jails.
joe rogan
How scary is that?
How scary is that?
ali siddiq
Texas is like this.
I only had to go once.
And it's nothing ever in my life that I do to ever get back to that position.
Nothing.
joe rogan
Nothing.
ali siddiq
Like, I'll hold court in the street before something like that happens.
unidentified
Look, I'm not in favor of carjacking or armed robbery.
joe rogan
Not in any stretch of the imagination.
But until we address why this is all happening, until you address why some people have zero need to rob people, and some people that's the only way they can get by, or the way they've learned to get by, and it's been in their neighborhood for so long.
They've been dealing with gang violence and drug dealing and chaos all their life.
ali siddiq
So, I ask you this.
Being formally from this position, Have I not seen anything else?
Like, ever?
See, sometimes I can rationalize when people say, I don't know anything else.
You have a smartphone?
How did you find out about smartphones?
Because they didn't come to the hood and drop a bunch of smartphones in the hood.
So how did you find out about it?
What you was watching?
Where you was at?
Okay.
So you was somewhere?
Okay, cool.
Were they doing what you were doing, what you're doing right now at that place?
Like, were they...
When you found out about a smartphone, were they gangbanging at the place or were they shooting and robbing people and cutting up dope?
Like, what movie haven't you seen that shows you the results of this?
What person haven't you heard speak?
Like, even when I was doing wrong, I had a sensibility of I heard Public Enemy while I was doing wrong.
Like, I heard Run DMC. I heard other things that had positive stuff while I was still doing wrong.
And I can't say it's all I know.
Because no, I wouldn't have never thought about a smartphone if I was in the street.
Because I would be in the street.
joe rogan
So it's not all you know, but it is what you're accustomed to if you grow up in a terrible neighborhood.
ali siddiq
I don't even think...
joe rogan
If you don't have good role models, if the people around you...
I mean, you tell me.
ali siddiq
This is what I'm saying.
I think that it's a lot of parts to this, but when...
It's also like when raising kids.
Like my oldest daughter, I used to tell her mom, don't say this in front of her, because then you give her that option as an excuse.
Something she probably never would have even thought of using, but when I give her the option to use it, that's the thing.
With me, I'm very transparent about, man, I didn't have to be in the street selling, though my mom had a job.
My desire for what I accepted outside of what my mother was saying to me, because nobody's mother is saying to them, get out in the street and gangbang and create ruckus.
Nobody.
So when does that voice become less important to you than whatever you're seeing in the street?
Because nobody in my community, not one black mother I ever even known in my life said to they child, this is the only way for you to go and get it.
It's to rob, pillage, steal, kill, sell dope.
Not one person.
I've never heard that story while I was in prison.
From nobody.
And when people would tell me, man, this is all I know.
How in the hell is that all that you know?
It's impossible for that to be all that you know because you were doing something before you were doing that.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
I see what you're saying.
You're a person that takes extreme responsibility, though.
You're also a grown man.
And you're also a man with a fully formed brain.
And your frontal lobe.
ali siddiq
As a kid.
joe rogan
As a kid, you knew this.
Well, you were wise.
ali siddiq
As a kid, I wasn't...
Man, Joe, man, with me, we was out in the street doing stuff.
We knew that it was wrong.
That's why we was trying to hide it from our parents.
Of course.
I wasn't trying to hide my basketball championship from my mother.
joe rogan
Of course.
ali siddiq
I wasn't trying to hide when I was working and earn something from working.
I wasn't trying to hide that from her.
I knew exactly what I was doing because of how we were going about doing it.
And all of us knew that we were wrong.
And the consequences, what was ridiculous was we thinking that it's a, oh, we just go in and get a slap on the wrist.
Not understanding what you got to go through to even get that slap on the wrist.
Because when you, once, you got to get arrested first.
And when you go to the county jail, the county jail is not a place.
This is full of grown men.
And they don't care nothing about you being 17. They don't care nothing about you being 18. Caring nothing about you being 19. Whatever you were doing in the street, you didn't care.
So why would we care about what you got going on in here?
And we're going to put you in the worst position.
So maybe you can say that you don't want to be in this position.
Maybe the people who love you will come get you out of this position.
Like my mother did the first time.
When my mother bonded me out the first time, I should have learned then.
I should've learned then.
This lady has a job.
And I'm making it harder for her.
I'm putting my mother in the hole $2,000.
I got a $20,000 bond.
joe rogan
How old are you then?
ali siddiq
I'm 16. You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And I have no reason because I want a goddamn UNLV jacket.
joe rogan
Well, you know that now, but what did you think when you were 16?
ali siddiq
You know what happened was, how I even get in this situation, I'm in the car with some people that's really petty.
They're really petty.
And I know these people are petty because they robbing people and I'm not no robber, I'm a hustler.
And I know better than be with somebody that's a robber.
Because it's two different categories on things.
I'm hustling for whatever I want.
You're taking something from somebody.
You're a thief.
And I'm in the car and he snatched his lady purse and I don't say nothing.
I'm in the car.
They just on camera in the parking lot.
Everybody that go in the car, we go in there.
I'm not going to snitch on you.
But I didn't take no purse.
And I told my mom, I ain't take that lady purse.
But did you get some Jordans from the credit card that somebody used?
I'm with them.
But I ain't take nothing from it later.
I told him, man, that's stupid.
And boom, now I'm on probation.
Then, hey, I'm working at the grocery store, but I still got bread from my hustling.
So I'm in a position, and I'm trying to figure out how to give my mother this $2,000 back.
For some dumb shit that I done did.
Man, I'm not supposed to be with nobody even like this.
And see, nowadays people got this weird loyalty to people who they don't even fucking know.
That's the crazy thing.
You got loyalty to somebody who you don't know that ain't got as much to lose as you.
I only really hang with men that got things to lose like me.
So you make better decisions.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Hey man, I'm not...
Hey man, you got in the...
Man, what are you responsible for?
Or who are you responsible for?
That means a lot to me as a character of your person.
Oh, I'm just out for self.
Oh, nah, bro.
You can't hang with me and you ain't got nobody to just be responsible for you, just yourself?
Nah.
unidentified
Nah.
ali siddiq
Hell no.
You ain't got nobody.
You don't take care of your mama, your father, no great aunts.
You ain't got nobody in your life that's...
Hell no.
Hell no.
Like, man, my agent Joe, Joe don't have no kids, but he still love his family.
Like, he got somebody that he's responsible.
My role manager, Dre, he take care of his parents.
He got kids, but he take care of his parents.
He got somebody else.
He can't be in the streets wilding.
He got two grown ass people he got to look after.
I'm sad that his dog died.
He ain't been home lately because his dog ain't at the house.
I'm going to get him a new dog or something.
He got to be responsible for something.
Because they responsible for me.
They responsible for different aspects of what go on in my life.
So you got to care and love something because you know that I care and love something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
So you want the best for me because you want the best for yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, the wildest dudes I know.
They have no responsibilities.
ali siddiq
Not a goddamn thing.
joe rogan
It gets real weird when they get in their 40s.
ali siddiq
Like, it's...
joe rogan
Real weird.
ali siddiq
Do you know how weird it is to have somebody that's 45 years old, 50 years old, coming to your house for your kid's birthday party, and he's coming in, hey, what's happening, kid?
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
ali siddiq
If you don't get your grown, unresponsible ass out of here, like, it just...
Like, man, you gotta...
That's a part of, yo man, at least bring your mom or somebody, man.
Bring somebody else that love you, man.
We have people in our family that don't have any other family.
But they've been around a long time.
They've been around before I even had kids.
joe rogan
If you want to have a successful civilization, you have to have families.
ali siddiq
You have to have families.
joe rogan
You would never have a successful civilization of all single men with no responsibility that moved to a spot.
ali siddiq
I'm throwing that shit to Paris so fast.
I'm throwing that shit would be over.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not going to work.
ali siddiq
It's not.
joe rogan
I mean, they've always said that.
That's like something that emperors have written this down.
You have to have families.
People have to have families.
That's how you can control them as well.
That's how they stay controlled.
That's how you can control them.
ali siddiq
Well, I would prefer not to look at my family as some form of control.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's not that way.
It's also, you know, Dave Chappelle said it best.
He said, having children didn't just increase my love, it increased my capacity for love.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a beautiful quote.
I think it's perfectly described because that's exactly what happens.
It changes who you are as a person when you're responsible for young people.
It just fundamentally changes you.
ali siddiq
Yeah, you think on a different level when you're responsible for young people.
joe rogan
And when I am at my best, I'm the most charitable to everyone because I think of people as babies.
Like, this is a baby that grew up to be this dude I'm in front of now.
I think, even if they're annoying me, I try real hard to just imagine what the fuck they went through to get to be this person right now.
This is not fun.
It's not fun to be annoying.
It's not fun to be them.
You're talking to a moron that's saying stupid shit and they're annoying.
It's not fun to be them where no one's impressed with you.
No one's interested in what you have to say.
You're fucking spitting in people's faces and you're drunk and stupid.
That's terrible.
You don't want to be that guy.
ali siddiq
That's terrible.
joe rogan
But I try to always imagine.
ali siddiq
The description is even terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It happens all the time.
I've had some doozies.
They always want to tell you about their business.
They always want to tell you how good their business is doing.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, I don't even know you, man.
This is crazy talk.
unidentified
Crazy talk.
joe rogan
Get me the fuck out of here.
And then when you're talking to someone and they want to get the fuck out of there and you know they want to get the fuck out of there, then you feel insecure and you try to be more entertaining or nice, try to turn them around.
And they're like...
That's not fun for them.
That poor little baby.
That poor little baby grew up to become an annoying 45-year-old dude.
ali siddiq
That poor little baby.
That poor little baby.
He's 45, but he's a poor little baby.
joe rogan
Poor little baby's a goofy, socially awkward dude.
It's just annoying.
ali siddiq
And they say weird stuff.
They do.
joe rogan
The problem is you're used to talking to comics.
That's part of the problem.
I'm so used to talking to comics.
It's so fun.
It's my favorite people to talk to.
So when I talk to people that stories suck, you got great stories.
You're a master storyteller.
You tell a fucking story.
If you're at a party and you're telling a story, people are going to listen.
It's going to be interesting.
It's going to be funny as shit.
Some people suck at stories.
And there's nothing worse when you've heard a real good story to go back to listening to a sucky story.
ali siddiq
That's true.
joe rogan
That's true.
ali siddiq
That is true.
And I know because I'm labeled as a storyteller when people try to talk to me they try to tell me stories and I be kind of rushing it like And uh-huh, and what?
It's like, all this part is, this could be interesting, but you are losing me in all of this part right here.
joe rogan
For no reason.
ali siddiq
For no reason.
Man, speed it up.
joe rogan
You got there in two words.
ali siddiq
And then I say, so...
After that happened, what happened then?
And man, I went back.
And then I don't like when people repeat the first part of the story.
Man, I heard you the first time.
Because this is how I listen to people's story.
I just listen.
Like, I'm not the...
Mm-hmm.
And go ahead.
And yeah.
No, I'm just...
Man, are you...
Did you hear what I said?
Yes, because I am actively listening.
I'm not listening to respond.
I'm just...
I'm locked in.
joe rogan
Actually locked in.
ali siddiq
And, well, you're not saying nothing.
I'm going to remember all the points that I want to say when you're done.
Because you may cover something that I'm thinking.
joe rogan
Right.
ali siddiq
So I don't want to interrupt you in the course of it.
I'm just listening.
And then, oh, I can mark that off because he just said why that happened.
joe rogan
Podcasting.
ali siddiq
Okay, so all that happened, right?
Okay, cool.
So going back, that's what I do because I know how to actively listen to somebody's story.
joe rogan
Tony and I do that all the time with comedians, where we're like, this whole thing, you don't need that part.
That whole part is just wasted time.
You know that whole setup part?
Everyone knows what that means.
Just say this.
And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ali siddiq
And that's what Kill Tony is, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And I'm supposed to be doing that.
joe rogan
Are you doing it tonight?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, it's going to be great.
I did it Saturday night.
I did the big one that they did, the 10th anniversary.
ali siddiq
Oh, the 10th anniversary.
joe rogan
It was wild!
The fucking, the rabid fans that they have, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
3,000 people, it's sold out as quick as they can sell the tickets.
It's sold out in under an hour.
ali siddiq
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And you get there, and they're like...
ali siddiq
I haven't experienced that yet.
I'm waiting.
2024, we're supposed to be doing a theater tour.
I hope it really just sells out.
joe rogan
Oh, you're going to get 8 million?
8 what?
How many?
8.1?
ali siddiq
That's the first one.
The second one, we're trying to get 10 million, 16 million.
joe rogan
You're going to have to change to bigger venues.
It's going to happen so fast.
You're going to be in arenas.
You're going to be in arenas, 100%.
When you do an arena, do it in the round.
ali siddiq
In the round?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know why?
Believe it or not, it's actually more intimate.
It seems weird, but when it's a stage, it's a big, tall-ass stage, and you're looking down on people, and they're all in front of you.
It's weird.
It's like you've got to almost project to bring them into you.
Like, come on, we're all...
I know there's a lot of us, but we're all just hanging out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when it's in the round, everybody on this side is looking at everybody on this side and everybody on this side is looking at everybody on this side.
Everybody sees everybody laughing.
And everybody's laughing at everybody.
And the sound is insane.
And you just walk around.
And you get used to it.
You just walk around and talk.
And while you're walking around, you do your jokes.
And there's giant screens everywhere so people could always see your facial expressions.
It's intimate.
ali siddiq
You know what's insane?
In this business, just wanting to be a good comic, just wanting to develop that skill.
Then getting to this point where we even talking about 2024, we going to theaters.
And we taking some big swings in some big places, you know, in Chicago and in New York.
joe rogan
You doing a Chicago theater?
ali siddiq
We hoping.
joe rogan
That's a great fucking venue.
ali siddiq
And then in the course of trying to shoot Domino Effect 3 and 4 in September, trying to find a venue for that, the thought of doing arenas and getting to that point, and when people say, man, you've been doing something 25 years, are you tired?
I get bored.
Like you don't get bored with the elevation of doing things on a bigger scale.
Like doing all these shows that sold out and adding shows and when you walk out and people coming to see you.
But now Doing arenas or doing a theater.
When people coming to the theater to actually see somebody tell stories.
I'm not coming to see you do no TikTok clips.
I'm not coming to see you do crowd work.
I'm coming in with the whole mindset of he's about to do an hour and 30 minutes of compelling stories.
And this is what I came for.
To get that type of It's locked in.
It's on an audience.
Once I achieve it, I think I'm gonna be very, very happy.
joe rogan
You're gonna slide right into that.
It's no different.
It's no different than clubs.
It's no different.
The only thing that's different is the environment.
But the experience of doing it is the same thing.
It's just killing.
It's the same thing.
The challenge, what makes it interesting for me, 30 plus years in, I'm like 34 something, 35 years in, something crazy.
The challenge is jokes.
It's new jokes.
New bits.
Getting better.
You always get better.
You figure out a way to tighten it.
You figure out a way to do this one better.
Every new bit is a new living thing that you're feeding and growing and trying to make it the most palatable and the most exciting and the sneakiest and the funniest and the most outrageous.
Get the biggest laughs with it.
Like, what's the funniest way to say this?
And every day you fuck with it a little more.
And every day you're adding to it.
And every day you're putting a new piece here and a new piece there.
I love it.
I don't have to do it.
I do it just because I love it.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why I opened up the club.
That's why I tour.
ali siddiq
I'm supposed to be coming to the club.
joe rogan
I'm excited.
When are you here?
ali siddiq
I don't know the date, but I assume.
joe rogan
You're gonna love it.
ali siddiq
You're gonna love it.
It's like the end of July, I think.
joe rogan
It's a fucking great place, man.
It's set up just for us.
It's set up just for us.
Everything about it.
Everything about it.
From the way you move around the club, where you don't have to go through the crowd to go from room to room, to the way the green room's set up.
The balconies, so you can watch the show.
ali siddiq
This black curtain.
It's so...
joe rogan
Beautiful, right?
ali siddiq
Beautiful.
joe rogan
You know, we had to change it.
It was a blue curtain at first, but then we put it on the monitors.
Like, it looked really nice.
The architect who did it, Richard Weiss, is amazing, and he did the whole building.
Amazing, amazing job.
But he wanted to make it pretty.
Right, so you had a beautiful hardwood, like light hardwood floors and a blue screen, a blue curtain rather.
And we were watching on the screen and you know, I'm fucking with everything, right?
In the beginning especially.
We need a light here and a light there.
We need timers underneath the monitor so everybody knows how much time you're doing.
And so you know how much the time the guy's on stage, how long he's been up.
And also we want light for each room.
So when you're in the little room, it's a green star.
In the green room.
So when he gets the light, you see the light.
So there's a green star lights up in the green room.
And if it's in the big room, it's a blue star.
So it was all this tweaking and shit we did.
And we were watching on the monitor.
I'm like, that floor's gotta go.
It's gotta be black carpet.
Black carpet and a dark, like sparkly black curtain, just like in the little boy.
The smaller room.
So we put that in there.
Now it's...
Now I don't want to fuck with anything.
Now I'm like, we're good.
ali siddiq
I looked from the balcony yesterday.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
ali siddiq
I can't wait to come.
It's right on 6th Street.
Austin is all lit up in the front.
joe rogan
And everybody's so hyped up.
They're so hyped up.
Because we were talking about doing it for two years.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
I had actually bought another building, and I had to get out of the deal.
There was some shit wrong with it, and I got out of the deal.
So it took a whole extra year to get this other place.
And then once I got the place, I had to.
You want some coffee?
ali siddiq
You know what's amazing is that when you have friends that say something like, yeah, I bought another building.
joe rogan
I know, it sounds stupid.
ali siddiq
Then I grew up with that.
Yeah, so I had a whole other building and then I had to get out and I had to sell that building.
Who buy buildings?
That's dynamic.
joe rogan
It's normal for me now.
I know it sounds fucked up, but I'm just being honest.
So the building that I bought was owned by a cult.
ali siddiq
Get out of town.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't know the extent of it until I was already in the deal, until I had already signed the contract.
My friend Adam called me up.
He goes, hey man, you watch the documentary on this cult?
Adam Egott, who's our talent coordinator.
I go, no.
He goes, oh, it's bad.
You should watch it.
He goes, it's fucking crazy.
It's called Holy Hell.
Yeah.
It's about this dude.
His name is Jaime Gomez.
And he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist.
And he started a club, or started a cult, rather, in West Hollywood.
He was teaching people yoga, and he got a bunch of young disciples.
They believed that he was a guru, and he was God energy, and he convinced them.
He ran this game for like 10 fucking years.
ali siddiq
Maybe he was hypnotizing people.
joe rogan
He was, 100%.
That's how he got in trouble.
They all started talking because one guy left the cult.
When he left the cult, he sent a mass email saying, hey man, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for the past 10 years.
unidentified
And then they all started talking about it.
joe rogan
And they all started sharing the email, and they all started sharing their stories with them.
They had all kind of kept it under wraps.
And this guy was doing this, and he escaped L.A. because they were after him.
It was right around the time when Waco went down.
And the Cult Awareness Network was like going after cults.
And so they escaped.
He changes his name again.
His name was Jaime Gomez.
He changed his name to Michel.
And then he changed it again to Andreas.
And that's when he moved to Austin.
And he built this place called the One World Theater.
And this is the place I bought.
So all these poor, lost kids, they built this place for him.
They were his disciples.
They didn't have contractors.
The cult members built the place.
ali siddiq
Under hypnosis.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think that was under hypnosis, but what he would do is he'd give them therapy every week.
He'd charge them money.
Charge them 50 bucks for therapy, and then he'd fuck them.
This guy.
You should watch the documentary.
The documentary is wild.
ali siddiq
Holy hell.
joe rogan
Yeah, because we were talking about cults.
Here's the thing.
In the beginning, it was working.
In the beginning, it looked like fun.
Because I think in the beginning, he was young and hot.
He's a beautiful man, especially when he was young.
And he had this crazy body, six-pack.
That's when he's getting older.
But when he was young, when he was a gay porn star, he was a beautiful man.
And I think he probably got plenty of dick already and he didn't have to fuck his disciples.
And he just had these people that were washing his feet and he was teaching them yoga and telling them that they're all God energy and everyone's God and I'm God.
And he even got so far with the hypnosis that he convinced these people that he could give them the enlightenment.
He could touch them.
I think he called it the knowing.
And it would be like this big thing, you had to earn the knowing.
But when he gave it to these people, just the power of suggestion, these people were like...
Like they were having these ecstatic, psychedelic experiences, like they encountered God and it lasted for days.
These are people talking about this after they left the cult, after they knew he was a con man, after they knew that he'd just been hypnotizing people and fucking them and he was just full of shit and getting plastic surgery and all kinds of wild shit.
Even though they had gone through all that, they still went back and talked about when he would do that to them early in their life, and that they really did, like, experience God.
ali siddiq
I don't think they were.
joe rogan
I think it's the power of suggestion.
Because I've seen it at...
Have you ever seen a comedy hypnotist?
They can do some wild shit to people.
That's a comedy hypnotist in front of an audience.
If you're a real hypnotist like this guy was...
ali siddiq
And didn't nobody know it.
And you're just doing...
joe rogan
And you're trained in hypnotherapy.
You know how to...
And if you've learned how to get people to think that there's this thing that you have, and you can give it to them, and you hold it over their head for a long fucking time until you actually do give it to them, and when you do give it to them, they believe it wholeheartedly.
So they actually experience it.
Because your brain can produce all kinds of wild chemicals.
Your brain can produce legitimate psychedelic chemicals, like full-on tripping chemicals.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if this guy can convince you that that's happening, your brain probably does dump all those chemicals out, because you think it's actually happening.
ali siddiq
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
So he's kind of telling the truth, which is the most fucked up thing.
He's kind of giving you this experience.
And it is a real experience.
But the whole thing goes off the rails.
It goes off the rails.
And eventually he has...
They actually fly him to Hawaii to get rid of him.
ali siddiq
Damn!
joe rogan
They can't get rid of this guy.
ali siddiq
Like, why he can't be arrested for the nonsense that he's doing?
joe rogan
See, the thing is, if you're gonna arrest him, like, those people are there because they're willing to be there.
They want to be there.
They believe in him.
20 people went with him to Hawaii.
When the cult broke up, a bunch of them flew to Hawaii with him.
unidentified
We started a whole new cult over there!
joe rogan
And he's old by then.
Now he's old and he looks like shit.
When he was young and he was like this beautiful guy who was convincing everybody, you are love, we are our love.
And they're like, yeah, we don't have to go to regular work.
We can grow our own food.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
That's why I don't believe in cults, things like that.
And I believe they happen.
I just don't believe the person who's saying it, just like I don't believe in anybody who's trying to tell me how to get rich quick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Because, like, why would you tell me?
joe rogan
Right.
ali siddiq
Like, you are not that damn gracious where you're like, oh, I'm a billionaire.
I want to make you a billionaire, too.
Come on, man.
Get the...
joe rogan
The get rich quick scheme that they don't want you to know about.
That's always what it is.
They don't want you to know.
ali siddiq
Man, in any type of...
Any type of group thing, like something comes around all at once and everybody's doing it.
Anytime I see a regular ass person doing something, Like, yo, man, you can invest in this.
Man, get out of here, man.
Get your regular ass out of here.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm not...
And you have to...
For me to believe in you and something, you definitely have to look a certain type of way.
I'm just not...
Even if you look homeless, it's still a way to look rich at the same time.
Burt Chrysler showed me that.
I did Bird's podcast, and he came in my room.
I was in Tampa, and he came in my room with no shirt on.
joe rogan
Flip-flops.
ali siddiq
He didn't even have on shoes.
And his toenails was painted, and he come with all this equipment.
And he walks in my room.
The first thing he said, can I use the restroom?
I said, yeah, go ahead.
It's right there.
And then he comes out of the restroom.
He's wiping his hands and saying, Ali, no disrespect.
Were you raised by a single mother?
I said, yeah, why?
Because your room is amazing.
I've been in my room for four hours.
It's like I've been squatting for two months.
And we do the podcast, and then he's walking out, and I'm thinking, because he don't have on shoes and no shirt, he's clearly in this nice Toyota Camry right here.
And I'm walking towards his Camry, and I look back, and he's like, Is that your rental car?
I'm like, nah.
I was walking around, I thought this was your car.
He's in this huge, like, pearl Benz.
It's a beautiful car.
This is a beautiful Benz.
And he's putting the podcast equipment in the back, and he just, like, slams the door, like, okay.
See you later.
Drives off with no shoes on, like...
Man, that is a rich-ass homeless person right there, man.
unidentified
That's the richest homeless person I ever think.
joe rogan
Yeah, Burt is Burt.
Burt's leaning more into being Burt now that he has money.
He was more conservative when he didn't have money.
He looked like he was more wealthy when he had no money.
He looked respectable, looked normal.
Now, if you're not looking at his watch, you look at him like, who the fuck is this dude?
ali siddiq
With a Rolex?
Is that a Rolex?
Rolex is going down.
unidentified
How the fuck did he get that?
ali siddiq
That's a sky-dweller.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
ali siddiq
I was at his premiere.
He looked good.
The machine.
joe rogan
I called Burt up once.
He was on a motorcycle in Vietnam.
I called him up.
I was in the comedy store in the back green room area.
I was about to go on stage soon.
I just felt like calling him out of nowhere.
And he answers the phone.
I go, where are you?
He goes, I'm on a motorcycle in Vietnam!
This is amazing!
And I go, what are you doing?
Are you there for your Travel Channel show?
He goes, yeah.
I go, dude, you gotta quit that show.
I go, you're too funny.
You're too good.
You're a funny comedian.
You should be making money doing stand-up comedy.
Not doing that show, man.
I know it's a velvet prison.
You gotta quit that fucking show.
ali siddiq
I would love to do a travel show, though.
joe rogan
Oh, it's too many months.
He was gone for like three, four months at a time when his kids were young.
Yeah, it's like not good.
It's also, it's like...
It was limiting him.
It was a great opportunity initially, but then it was limiting him.
I'm like, Bert, with just podcast and stand-up comedy, you're gonna be fucking huge.
Like, you don't need to be saddled into this organization.
Because they're also gonna be upset if you talk about certain things.
Travel Channel was a very conservative channel at one point in time.
I don't know how they are now, but I know Anthony Bourdain had a problem with them as well, a similar situation.
It's like, Bert, you're fucking bent against yourself.
ali siddiq
If I find a great producer, I'm probably going to do a podcast.
joe rogan
You should do a podcast.
ali siddiq
It's just a...
joe rogan
You don't need a great producer, man.
ali siddiq
Well, I need a producer, because me coming in and setting up camera...
joe rogan
So don't do it on camera at first.
ali siddiq
Nobody can do all this by the time.
joe rogan
Just do it audio at first.
Do it audio at first.
Real simple.
Get an audio recorder.
Get one of those little fucking...
What are those?
Rones?
What are those things called?
What are those things called, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Zoom or Rodecaster?
joe rogan
There's a bunch of them.
They set them up now.
They have pre-made podcast setups that you can buy.
That's how popular podcasts are.
You don't need any bullshit.
You have a mic like this.
These are Shores.
These are my favorite ones.
We've been using these forever.
You put it on a fucking stand.
It plugs into that thing.
You press record and you do a podcast.
You got an audio file.
You upload it to iTunes.
It's free.
And then boom, it's up there.
You let everybody know it's up there, people start downloading it.
At least, what is the percentage of the amount of people that just listen to us?
What would you say it is?
jamie vernon
I think it's over half still.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It's a majority still just listen.
joe rogan
Most people just listen.
So that's this, and this is, you know, a giant podcast.
When you first start out, people like to listen to podcasts when they're driving.
They like to listen to podcasts at the gym.
When they go on vacation, you're on a plane, six hours is easy.
Just chill out.
You got a couple of podcasts before you know it, six hours is gone.
Just do that.
And then it's easy.
It's easy.
You're already great at it.
You're great right here.
You're great at it.
Just do it.
Simple.
ali siddiq
I think that's my next thing.
Do me a little podcast.
joe rogan
Before you know it, it'll be huge.
My friend Cameron Haynes was just here the other day.
Same thing.
I talked him into doing it.
It's forever.
I'm like, you're great.
You could be great at this.
And then you don't have a boss.
Now he's killing it.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
Same thing with Burt and all those guys.
Tom Segura, I talked to him into doing it.
I talked to Ari into doing it.
I talked to all those guys into doing podcasts.
ali siddiq
You can have a great success record.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm pretty good at it.
Yeah, I know.
I know when someone can do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
So that's my thing.
And putting these specials out, that's the other thing.
Mitch of it.
joe rogan
That's another the way you're doing it is podcast style in a way because you're doing it yourself now and Doing it yourself and putting it up on YouTube is the way to do it rather than going through some big corporation Some Netflix or HBO or whatever it is like you're almost betting against yourself at this point because the numbers that you get when you put it up where everybody can get it anytime they want and then someone can say oh my god have you seen this and And then they could share it, and they send it to you.
Oh my god, this dude's hilarious.
And they send it to you.
And then people just start sharing it.
They share it on social media.
They share it in text messages.
Boom.
Yeah, you don't need anybody anymore.
And podcasts just add to it.
It just adds to it.
And it's easy, and it's fun.
It's fun to do.
Have a friend come over, have a drink, smoke a joint, start talking shit, laughing your ass off.
ali siddiq
That's basically what it is.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
ali siddiq
And having a great time.
It's amazing the amount of power in sitting up talking.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Well, I think one of the things that's happening to people when they're stuck in an office all day or stuck working all day is they're not getting to have long conversations about things they really think about.
And if you are in a situation where you can listen to people have those conversations, it's the next best thing.
And sometimes you can listen to those people have conversations with people that you're never going to get to meet, you know?
ali siddiq
Yeah, that's the thing.
You know, I think that...
If you have great guests or you have great opinions or great thoughts that you can podcast.
Some people ask you to do their podcasts.
You're like, man, who the hell?
What the hell are y'all even over there talking about?
joe rogan
It's not for everybody, but it's for you.
That's what I say about a lot of things.
Most things that I like are not for everybody.
ali siddiq
That's comedy.
The only time I've ever not wanted somebody to be good Ever was at the comedy stop.
The laugh stop.
joe rogan
In Houston?
ali siddiq
In Houston.
That was the only time I ever wanted somebody not to be good.
joe rogan
Why's that?
ali siddiq
I was...
I came there.
You had to get on the list when I started.
You had to come in and get on the list.
joe rogan
Oh, the open mic nights.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
So I'm there and it's Monday and I signed up and I was like 26. On the list.
I'm like, man, 26 people.
And the guy in front of me was like, yeah, man, I've been doing this 20 years.
And I was like, oh, shit.
He is 25 on the list.
And he said he's been doing it 20 years.
And I'm thinking, yeah, I know a lot of comics, man.
I've studied this game a lot.
Oh, I hope he's not funny.
Because if he is, I got a long ass way to go.
I'm four months in.
He's 20 years in.
He goes on stage and he was fucking horrible.
And I was like, yes.
Like, no wonder.
You're still getting it together.
It was one of them things.
And I still see him around now.
joe rogan
Do you really?
At open mic nights?
ali siddiq
At open mic nights.
Because I pop in every blue moon at an open mic.
And when you go in there, you see the same people in there.
You're like, what the freak is going on?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is going on?
ali siddiq
Because do people not...
Okay, like...
joe rogan
You know what it's like?
It's like if you are in a boxing gym and this dude's been KO'd the last 16 times he sparred, you gotta go, Mike.
You can't.
You can't do this anymore.
You can't do this anymore.
This is bad for you.
This is bad for you.
Nah, bro.
You know, I'm working on my head movement.
Let me in there.
ali siddiq
Dude, I'm laughing.
Because that Main Street boxing gym, it's guys that come in there, and you just in there, you like, hey, man, what do you do?
He said, "Hey man, he get beat up professionally." - Sparring partner. - Like what?
Like, "Hey man, he's never won a fight." Every fight he's ever been, he has been out of there.
But he's a sparring partner.
And in there just taking it.
joe rogan
And then he'll take fights where he knows he's supposed to lose.
There's a lot of those guys out there.
In the early days of a fighter's development, they will, you know, that's one thing that boxing has over MMA. They'll kind of almost be setups where, you know, this guy's like 20 and, you know, or 20 losses and like two wins.
You know, there's guys like that that are out there.
Legitimately, they have the craziest records you've ever seen.
And they're licensed.
And they'll go in and they'll fight some young Arturo Gatti looking dude.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
That guy will light him up.
ali siddiq
Them two wins.
It's like, hey man, did you fucking know you were supposed to lose?
Yeah, I was just in there.
I was trying.
joe rogan
The guy is so bad, he ran into my jab.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Like, I don't know.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's terrible.
ali siddiq
You just 2 and 25. You say, man, how you win them two fights?
I would be pissed.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a fixed fight?
ali siddiq
Not knowingly.
joe rogan
Not knowing why you're watching it?
ali siddiq
Not knowing.
In the middle of this shit, like, man, this shit's fucking fixed, man.
joe rogan
There was some fixed fights in the early days in Japan, in MMA. There was some fixed fights.
Japan was real weird, because you had real fights, for sure.
And then you had some fights where the hero wins, the local hero wins, and you're like, how did he get him in a heel hook?
Why is he tapping like that?
Why is it so dramatic?
It was like, this is pro wrestling.
This is like...
There was some weird moments.
And there was a boxing match.
I remember this one.
I believe it was in...
Remember the guy who had a bunch of weird surgery?
He had muscle implants.
And he boxed this guy and it was so clear that the guy took a dive.
It was like the worst acting of all time.
ali siddiq
Who was the guy that the bald head, big white guy that Tyson fought when he got out of prison?
joe rogan
Oh, he wasn't bald.
Peter McNeely.
Peter McNeely was the white guy.
Oh, you mean Franz Botha or Andrew Gulotta?
Was it Andrew Gulotta you're talking about?
The Polish guy?
ali siddiq
He had on some American shorts.
He had on some shorts with some color on them.
I can't remember.
Not that guy that had on the green.
joe rogan
If it's Peter McNeely, Peter McNeely is the guy who fought right out of jail.
That's when Tyson had a six-pack.
ali siddiq
Oh, not him.
Because that dude had on green shorts.
joe rogan
Did he?
So this is the guy.
So the guy on the left, is he like some rich guy or something?
But look at him.
He's some rich guy and he's got fake muscles.
ali siddiq
Yeah, he got implants.
I can see that off the rail.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's wild.
Look, his shoulders are fake.
Everything's fake.
It's weird.
And so it's like this is the clearest like fixed fight you're ever gonna see.
Look at this.
I mean, come on.
How fake does that look?
That looks so fake.
That looks so fake.
ali siddiq
What just happened?
joe rogan
He hit him with the left hook.
But watch it again.
Let's watch it again.
Look at this guy holding his hands up and watch.
Watch this.
He like literally shows him his chin.
ali siddiq
And just goes like, what?
joe rogan
And he goes down.
Yeah.
It's so fake.
Watch.
I mean, this guy's a terrible actor.
ali siddiq
Crazy.
joe rogan
Terrible actor.
So he moves forward, and then Muscles over here is gonna move in for the kill with his zero skills.
Look at this.
He's got nothing.
It's like a guy who just learned boxing yesterday, and he's holding fake boobs.
It's crazy.
This is one of the weirdest videos, I think, on the internet.
ali siddiq
He wants to be a billion trillionaire.
joe rogan
I don't know, but he's gotta be an insane person.
ali siddiq
He's definitely insane with these fake muscles.
joe rogan
But also the fact that he wants people to think that he had a boxing match and that he won.
I mean, this is crazy.
jamie vernon
This guy can't even fake go down.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then the referee waves it off.
That's it.
What a conqueror.
I mean, this is a crazy video.
It's fixed boxing fight.
You can find it on YouTube.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's fucking...
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Look at this guy.
joe rogan
That's a crazy person.
ali siddiq
Look at this guy.
He's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
That is a weird thing to do to be a man and get a neck implant.
ali siddiq
That's insane.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
ali siddiq
Man, do you understand?
I think people don't think that these people have problems.
They just want to enhance their body.
Everybody wants to enhance their body.
Okay.
All right.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ali siddiq
Just me stuffing some shoulder pads under my skin and just like...
joe rogan
You see the one guy who has like the most of it?
He's like a human Ken doll.
ali siddiq
Yeah, what's that dude's name?
He's a weird dude.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's got everything.
ali siddiq
He got calf implants and bicep implants.
Like, man, what is wrong?
And then his neck all skinny.
Like, it's crazy.
unidentified
It looks so weird.
joe rogan
But it's one of those things like anorexia.
They can't see how other people see it.
They have body dysmorphia.
Show a photo of his body because he's got all these implants all over the place.
ali siddiq
That's crazy town.
joe rogan
All of his quads, his quad implants and calf implants.
ali siddiq
He's addicted to the surgeons.
joe rogan
Yeah, and look, his shoulders.
I mean, it's kind of nuts.
ali siddiq
But then the neck is all thin and...
unidentified
Yelling at his neck.
ali siddiq
Like, that's crazy town.
jamie vernon
Is that two different people or is that the same?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That one looks even scarier.
Click on that one.
jamie vernon
That's a different person.
joe rogan
Click on that different person.
What is that?
Oh my god.
That one.
Yeah.
Click.
Jesus Christ, man.
Oh my god.
That is wild.
That is wild.
ali siddiq
Man.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's so crazy that that's a real person.
ali siddiq
And I know more people, I know a lot of people just, hey, just want to take the picture, which is feeding into the craziness.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, because it gets you more attention, right?
He says he's sinking after 11 nose jobs.
Oh, that's the other thing.
They all get addicted to it, so they keep going.
Like Michael Jackson.
ali siddiq
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, we were talking about the other day, like, Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon.
That dude never advertised.
jamie vernon
Just kept going.
joe rogan
He just kept going.
Oh, my God!
jamie vernon
And the Barbie.
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
And then he became Barbie?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
And that was...
Dressing like this.
joe rogan
Oh Jesus Christ, everyone's insane.
And that's what he used to look like?
With the pants?
jamie vernon
I would assume so.
joe rogan
Should I say she?
That's what she used to look like?
What a wild world we live in, man.
What a wild world.
Wait until people can change gender with gene therapy.
Wait until they can do that.
People are going to be bouncing back and forth.
How many times have you been a woman?
Well, I was a woman for two years, and I didn't like it.
I went back to being a man.
And I decided to be a really big man for a while, but my joints hurt.
So then I became a little man.
See what it's like to get picked on.
unidentified
Then I went back to being a woman.
Yeah, we're going to be able to bounce back and forth.
joe rogan
I think so.
I think not us, but I think future generations.
I think they're going to be able to manipulate biology in some very flexible way.
I really do.
ali siddiq
I hope not.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're already fucking around with gene splicing with humans and animals.
They're doing wild shit and this is what we know they're doing.
Who knows what they're doing in other countries where we don't have fucking eyes on the lab.
ali siddiq
This is why I believe in Bigfoot.
Bigfoot is some science project that got out that It's crazy, and they know it exists.
They know it's on a level they know.
It's just crazy.
joe rogan
I think Bigfoot used to exist.
I think it absolutely used to exist.
ali siddiq
It's definitely a new one.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
ali siddiq
You don't think it's a new one out there?
joe rogan
No.
ali siddiq
It's some grizzly bag sheep that's just running around.
joe rogan
You know why I really don't think it?
Because the people that I know that are like real hunters that go deep, deep, deep into the backcountry for weeks at a time, real dudes.
Dudes are in Alaska.
Guys are in the mountains of Montana.
Guys are in the Pacific Northwest in the rainforest up there.
Those dudes never say shit.
They've never seen shit.
Everybody just sees bears.
You see bears.
And I think if you're a person that's not around wildlife a lot, you see a bear walking on two legs in the deep forest, especially if it's dark out, you think you saw a fucking Bigfoot.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
But at one point in time, it was a real thing.
You know that, the old story?
unidentified
I knew it was a real-ass Bigfoot.
joe rogan
Gigantopithecus.
ali siddiq
This is the thing with these scientific experiments.
Do you remember, it was a while back, I think we talked about it, or I talked about it somewhere where these orangutans got out of a nuclear lab in San Antonio, a biometrical lab in San Antonio.
You can look this shit up.
Now, It's no telling what they did to them in Rank of Tanks while they were in there.
But they were smart enough to get the fuck out.
So it's no...
joe rogan
Where did they go?
ali siddiq
They were just out loose.
joe rogan
Did they catch them?
ali siddiq
I think so.
joe rogan
Imagine if one got away.
Just hide now.
ali siddiq
They don't even know what they came in contact with.
joe rogan
So it was a biomedical lab?
I didn't know they do experiments on chimpanzees.
I almost have a lot of sympathy towards any animal.
Brilliant baboons escape from Texas biolab using their captors' own barrels.
ali siddiq
Yeah, baboons.
joe rogan
Using just a 55-gallon barrel, three baboons liberated themselves in the confines of the biomedical research facility this weekend for about half an hour before they were captured and returned to incarceration.
Incarceration's a fucked up word used for baboons.
They never did anything wrong.
That's fucked.
Baboons are freaky.
They're different than orangutans.
Baboons freak me out.
ali siddiq
They use the barrels.
joe rogan
They got almost like a wolf mouth.
It's like a monkey with a wolf mouth.
But on Saturday, one baboon learned to put a barrel upright and use it to get to the top of the wall.
Then the three other baboons, monkey saw and monkey did.
And so they just hopped over and the four baboons scaled the wall, but one returned on its own volition.
That's a bitchless one.
He told on everybody, there's no other fuckers got out!
Remaining three were apprehended by members of the animal care and animal capture team, which wore protective suits and masks.
San Antonio news outlet KSAT reported that witnesses were concerned that the baboons were carrying infectious disease.
A news release from TBRI stated the baboons weren't infected.
What does that mean?
They weren't infected.
Infected with what?
What are you doing over there?
What the fuck are you doing over there?
You know?
That's the premise of the movie 28 Days Later.
ali siddiq
Outbreaking.
And when the story happened, I said, man, y'all don't realize at the end of the world, that's the start of every zombie apocalypse movie I've never heard of.
joe rogan
Well, you know what's fucked up?
There is a real zombie virus that everyone is aware of.
It's called rabies.
ali siddiq
Yes.
joe rogan
Rabies.
Rabies is a zombie virus for animals.
I mean, they're not dead, but they might as well be.
They're trying to get to you and bite you.
They're trying to literally, their brain is hijacked.
They're so aggressive, they're trying to bite you to infect you with the rabies.
So the rabies has convinced these animals The baboons hop a fence at the reefers.
Oh, so here's this guy chasing him.
They're running, chasing after the baboons.
Hey, bro, get back here.
What if that baboon just turned around and just fucked them up?
That dude does not look like he's wearing a suit.
He looks regular.
jamie vernon
Yeah, those are just guys on the street.
unidentified
These are just kids.
These kids are out of their fucking minds.
joe rogan
Bro, these kids are getting close.
Oh my god, these are just dorks.
Where is this?
jamie vernon
It was in wherever it happened, outside of San Antonio.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's Texas people.
jamie vernon
Very close to here.
joe rogan
These wild dorks chasing after a baboon.
unidentified
That thing will fuck you up.
Fuck you up.
ali siddiq
These are clearly people who have never seen a possum.
joe rogan
Yeah, they used to see him in the zoo.
They used to see him in the fucking zoo.
ali siddiq
A baboon is way vicious, but a possum...
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
That ain't protection.
They're COVID masks on.
They're not even the good COVID masks on.
Those gloves.
Those gloves aren't gonna do jack shit.
What are you gonna do with those gloves?
What the fuck are you gonna do?
Unless that thing just is used to people handling it.
Good luck.
unidentified
Good luck.
joe rogan
You can't even pick up a feral cat.
You ever try picking up a feral cat?
How the fuck do you think you can handle a 50-pound baboon, bitch?
ali siddiq
That's way more than 50 pounds.
They about 80 pounds.
joe rogan
The big males?
ali siddiq
How much is a normal baboon weigh?
joe rogan
I would say they're like 50, 60 pounds.
They look to me like a Belgian Malinois size.
ali siddiq
My cane corso is a big dog.
joe rogan
That's a big dog, though.
What, you got a 120-pound dog?
ali siddiq
140 pounds.
joe rogan
140 pounds.
I had a Mastiff that was that big.
A Regency Mastiff.
He was 140 pounds.
ali siddiq
And Harry's lost like 7 pounds.
joe rogan
Okay.
88 pounds for a big one.
Wow.
Wow.
Oh my god.
What is this one?
Oh, it's a specific kind that gets that big.
jamie vernon
They didn't say what kind those were.
joe rogan
There's a psychologist named Robert Sapolsky.
He's a psychologist, right?
Is that what his profession is?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Who studied baboons.
And a fascinating thing happened with this troop of baboons.
They were dominated by the alpha males.
And the alpha males always got first access to the food.
Neuroendocrinology researcher and author.
Professor of biology, the alpha males always had access to the food first.
Well, they were getting food from a dumpster that this resort was using, and the alpha males had access to it first, and one of the dumpsters was filled with bad food, tainted food.
And these baboons ate it and died.
So the ones that ate it first were the ones who had access to it and they died and the alphas were all dead.
So when the alphas were all dead, in the absence of the alphas being dead, the betas never assumed an alpha position.
They just got along with each other.
And it lasted for like, I think quite a while.
It lasted for years, I believe, until probably they went back to their normal way of behaving.
But for a long fucking time, they behaved in a way where there was no brutish...
Because in those packs of baboons, they're fucking horrible to each other.
ali siddiq
Maybe they didn't think...
They were waiting on him to come back, and he was like, hey, don't nobody do nothing, because you know they're going to come back and beat us.
joe rogan
Right.
Don't pretend you're the boss.
ali siddiq
And then somebody came and said, I don't think they're coming back.
And then they started it with the bullshit.
Bitch, yeah, I see it.
joe rogan
Jamie, see if you can find that study.
ali siddiq
Bitch, you can't eat first.
joe rogan
Did you find it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So when the top-ranking males died off in the mid-1980s, aggression by the new top baboons dropped dramatically, with most aggression occurring between baboons of similar rank and little bit directed towards lower-status males and none at all directed at females.
Troop members also spent a large percentage of time grooming Sat closer together than in the past, and hormone samples indicated that the lowest-status males experience less stress than underlings and other baboon troops.
More interestingly, these effects persisted at least through the late 90s, so wow, it was more than 10 years, well after the original kinder males had died off.
Not only that, when the adolescent males who grew up and other troops joined the garbage dump troop They, too, engage in less aggressive behavior than in other baboon troops.
As Sapolsky put it, we don't understand the mechanism of transmission, but the jerky new guys are obviously learning.
We don't do things like that around here.
So, at least by baboon standards, the garbage-dump troop developed and enforced what I would call a no-asshole rule.
Isn't that amazing?
ali siddiq
Oh, this is prison.
Oh.
Yeah.
Because you can come in.
I see what happened now.
The other guy was like, no.
You see what happened to them.
I'm going to end up in the dorms and stuff.
We're not going to go that route.
So that's basically what happened.
They saw, hey man, these other guys gone, they dead.
And then you see they say that the other guys who were less stressed, they was getting their ass whooped.
They were getting slapped around.
So when the kinder male was like, hey man, look, let's just have a peaceful situation.
We ain't got to do all that, man.
You can come talk to me.
I'm not slapping nobody.
When you on what we call a Cadillac tank, that's what a Cadillac tank is, where you come over there and everybody come and lay it down to you.
Look, man, we ain't with nothing that bullshit over here, man.
Whatever you're going to do, all that stealing, whatever you got moved over here, it's Cadillac over here.
They let you know.
You don't want none of that wild shit over here.
You don't want to lose your TV. You don't want to lose your coffee pot.
You don't want to be locked down.
You don't want to be none of that shit.
Hey, man, you need something, come tell somebody.
You ain't got to steal nothing.
It's a convict tank, basically, where people understand how to do their time.
You're going to do your time less stressful.
joe rogan
I don't think people would appreciate, like, the average person thinks about jail, they don't think of that.
I think they probably wouldn't, they probably wouldn't imagine that that would be the case, but that makes sense.
ali siddiq
You know what's weird about jail?
I don't understand why jail is so brutal when you're not found guilty yet.
joe rogan
Right.
ali siddiq
Because when I went to jail, I'm going to talk about it in the special, but When I went, my whole thought was how to get out.
You don't even eat for the first four days.
You don't eat nothing.
They be bringing food and you're like, no, y'all gonna have that shit.
Because you're thinking I'm getting out.
I'm not acclimating myself to prison food.
I'm not even eating none of this shit.
None of this jailed food.
And then after four days, you don't get out.
Then you're like, well, hey man, let me get my juice.
Y'all gonna have the rest of that shit.
Day number seven, now you're eating all your food because you're not getting out just yet.
But you're still going to court.
I wouldn't be thinking about doing nothing wild because I'm still trying to fight my case.
And I don't think...
Most people don't even think like that.
They get...
I don't know what they be thinking, but it be some wild shit on their brains, especially when they there for a long period of time.
Like, man, I've been in here a year fighting this murder case.
Okay, but are you guilty?
So why are you acting like you guilty?
You in here doing all the rest of this nonsense.
I think it's a stigma that comes along with prison that people try to act out when they go there.
But I've been in other jails where it's not like that.
It's like, hey, man, I'm in here trying to get out.
And I was there on traffic tickets, but even if you go to Harris County on a traffic ticket, it's like you're in full-fledged, Like, why am I even around anybody who could...
What you in here for?
Capital murder?
Why am I even in here with you and I'm in here on traffic tickets?
Like, we don't...
We're not supposed to run into each other.
Shit.
And it's just crazy.
Like, you're not even supposed to run into those people until you go to prison.
Because jail and prison is actually supposed to be different.
Now, I understand you don't want to be in either place, but I don't understand the animalistic behavior that jumps off as soon as you get locked up.
And it's only with a certain ethnic group.
joe rogan
Do you think they think they have to do it that way because they've been told that that's what it's like when you get in?
ali siddiq
That's the stigma that comes in.
Even though I was somewhere that I knew that was bad, I didn't go into it with the, I'm finna be bad, too.
No, man, I'm already, if somebody try me, then I'm gonna defend myself.
But other than that, I'm not going in there trying to bother nobody.
But see, that's the whole thing.
I've never started a fight, though, too.
I had to remember that by myself.
I've never started a fight, even though I can fight.
And I can fight well.
I just never started one.
But if you start one with me, then you'll figure out like, oh shit, he can actually fight.
Yeah.
I just don't start him.
And I think most people that can fight don't start him.
Because it becomes, I'm not the same person.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
In combat than I am as normal.
Like this shit is different with me.
And I'm locked in.
joe rogan
The scary thing is people who can fight, who like to fight, who do go looking for fights.
And those are real too.
Those are real too.
So just don't fight.
It's the dumbest thing to do.
Especially if you want to fight, learn how to fight, go to a gym.
You can get plenty of fighting in the gym.
You don't even have to have a fight.
Most sparring matches are basically fights.
ali siddiq
Yes, and you...
I didn't tell you, but people know.
Did I tell you when I sparred with Todd Emanuel?
joe rogan
I don't know.
ali siddiq
Man, Todd Emanuel beat the shit out of me.
And I was fucking with him.
I came in there fucking with him.
He had just fought Victor Ortiz or some shit like that.
And I just walked in fucking with him.
I just got in the ring with him like, what's up, Todd?
Shit.
He ain't here talking shit.
Todd took it to my ass, too.
He's like, but people know I can fight, but Todd was on one.
Todd took it to my ass.
And it was that first two body shots that I was just, and I was fucking with him.
And I was like, oh shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's good, and then there's professional good, right?
And then there's high-level professional good.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
High-level professional good is fucking scary if it's boxing.
ali siddiq
Yeah, like Gotti just found that out about Floyd.
Like, that shit is different.
Now, you can say a lot about Floyd, but once them gloves get on and you across from him, oh, that shit's different.
unidentified
He's still very, very fast.
joe rogan
Very fast.
ali siddiq
And that shit hurt.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
ali siddiq
All that shit hurt.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, of course.
ali siddiq
Like even if he playing, that shit hurt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, he fought Logan Paul.
Logan Paul weighs 200 plus pounds.
ali siddiq
And he turnt the shit out of Logan Paul's neck.
Crazy.
Like, wow!
And I think he held him up like, hey man.
Don't fall because you'll mess the money up.
joe rogan
I think he's just too big.
I think Logan was just too big.
If they were the same size, I think Floyd would have knocked him out.
But Logan was so big.
He was so much bigger than him.
ali siddiq
But them shots, though.
joe rogan
It's so crazy to see a guy who is the best boxer of all time having a fight with this super-athletic, gigantic YouTube kid.
I mean, look at the size difference.
It's insane.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's insane.
ali siddiq
It was like when he wrestled.
joe rogan
Who the fuck else is there?
ali siddiq
It's like when he wrestled with the big stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Pro wrestling.
But at least that's theatrical, right?
This is an actual fight.
ali siddiq
He turned his neck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Even when he fought...
When he fought Canelo, Canelo's a big ass dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, Canelo's a big ass dude.
But he was very smart with that Canelo fight.
He made Canelo drop down to like 152. I think that's what the weight limit was.
Canelo, you know, he really had to drain himself to get down there.
And also, like...
You watch Canelo before Floyd and after Floyd, and you just go, oh, he learned.
His head movement is superb now.
Canelo gets in there.
There's fights of his where you see his head movement, and you're like, oh, my God.
ali siddiq
I just saw his last fight with Canelo, and he big.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a big fella.
Well, you know, he's doing 175 now when he knocked out Kovalev.
Yeah, so he got real small for that fight.
You know, Floyd is smart, man.
Like, same with Manny Pacquiao.
He waited and waited and waited and waited and waited until after Marquez knocked out Manny.
And he's like, okay.
We can fight now.
ali siddiq
I think that was mostly promoters.
These promoters just be...
joe rogan
They're brutal.
ali siddiq
They just...
And then everybody blamed the fight.
Oh, you didn't want to fight it!
No!
They couldn't get the shit together.
joe rogan
Bro.
The most disappointing one to me is Tyson Fury and Usyk.
I was really looking forward to that fight.
That was an interesting one to me because Tyson Fury is the biggest in the division.
He's got insane skills.
He's fucking huge.
He's six foot nine.
He's arguably one of the greatest heavyweight boxers ever.
And Usyk is this phenom of technique and footwork and movement.
But how is he gonna fuck with that six-foot-nine guy?
How is he gonna fuck with that jab?
Can you even get close to him?
He's so much bigger than him.
It's a fascinating fight.
And they fucked up.
Even gave him 70-30.
Tyson said he wanted 70-30, which, you know, makes kind of sense.
He's the big star.
Usyk even said yes, and they still couldn't get the deal done.
ali siddiq
Still couldn't get it done.
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck happened.
ali siddiq
I know this Crawford and Earl Spence is gonna be...
joe rogan
Thank God they got that done now.
Because I was worried that they were gonna wait until Terrence was older.
You know?
Because it's like, if it happens two years from now, what is he, 36 now?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
That's a fucking good fight.
Regis...
Regis...
Rugaloo!
It's coming up.
joe rogan
Terrence Crawford is the slickest switch hitter since Marvin Hagler.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
This is going to be a problem.
joe rogan
This is a hell of a fight.
28-0 versus 39-0.
That is wild.
ali siddiq
And I think that...
What you predicting in this fight...
joe rogan
I would never predict a fight like this.
Because a fight like this, to me, is a let's see.
Let's see.
ali siddiq
Yeah, it's definitely a let's see.
joe rogan
It's a let's see.
Because they're both at the top of the top in boxing today.
The pinnacle.
ali siddiq
Both of them.
Both of them have their strengths.
This is one of them let's see.
I didn't think Tank and Ryan was just going to be this electric fight.
I just didn't.
I just thought Tank was just too much.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought it was going to be too much too.
It's just he has too many tools and his style is so weird.
His style is so weird.
He's so conservative in the beginning.
He's not throwing hardly any punches.
But the fucking threat of danger always looms.
It's terrifying.
ali siddiq
That's the problem with him.
It's like, you could be doing all that.
He just, you like...
unidentified
And he's like, oh my God, if he hit me with any of this shit.
ali siddiq
Like, you still throwing very attentively.
Like, hey, if I throw this jab at it, I need to get this shit right back.
unidentified
Like, I need this shit.
ali siddiq
Do you understand how fast I need to get this jab back to my goddamn face?
I need this.
And people won't even throw it all the way out there because they need to get, like, I can't give, because he's already up under you.
unidentified
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And that's the problem.
That you see that he's up under you.
You're like, oh shit.
If I throw any goddamn thing, he gonna turn and he gonna blow my shit up.
joe rogan
And he's coming straight from the floor with crazy speed.
ali siddiq
It's like Tyson.
People don't realize this shit is like a small Tyson.
Because Tyson was so leveled up under him.
As soon as you throw anything out there, if I throw my jab out there, I gotta have my knees bent.
I need my elbow to guard my goddamn bread basket, my liver, my kidney, all this shit.
Because it's just bad.
It's bad news.
It's just bad news.
joe rogan
Terrifying.
The consequences of any mistake are so big.
ali siddiq
The consequences.
joe rogan
Pull up a Gervonta Davis highlight.
Let's watch some highlights.
ali siddiq
KO highlights.
As soon as you open any of that shit up, he is...
joe rogan
How many fights does he even have that have gone to decision?
ali siddiq
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's only a couple.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one when he broke his hand.
It was one fight where he won a decision when he broke his hand.
That might be the only one that went to a decision.
ali siddiq
Damn, Shane.
joe rogan
The only guy who I think has a higher knockout ratio that's a champion is Artur Betterbeev.
That's the light heavyweight guy.
jamie vernon
Count two.
So he's got one in 2014. Uh-huh.
And then one, yeah, up here.
joe rogan
Isaac Cruz.
27 and 0. And all of them except two are by knockout.
Or excuse me, 29 and 0. And all of them except two are by knockout.
27 knockouts.
Look at that!
ali siddiq
Look at that!
unidentified
Jesus!
ali siddiq
That shit!
joe rogan
Oh my god!
And it's skillful too!
ali siddiq
Right up under your shit!
joe rogan
That fucking uppercut is so nasty!
ali siddiq
I'm right here and as soon as you throw something out there that I think is, okay, uh-huh, you finna go.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that right hook, man.
ali siddiq
Right on the tempo.
joe rogan
It's just, he hits people different.
ali siddiq
Watch it, don't!
joe rogan
Boom!
ali siddiq
Right over.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
The speed and the accuracy.
It's the power and it's also the technique.
It's like everything is there.
It's not like he's just a slugger.
He's a scientist.
He's like dissecting in there.
He's downloading data and then applying it and moving on you in a way you never had anybody move on you before.
ali siddiq
Well, you can't breathe.
joe rogan
Look at that body shot.
Oh, my God.
ali siddiq
He will not let you breathe.
What's that?
You throw yours and I'm going to throw mine.
I'm already up under you.
joe rogan
And when you look at him, I mean, he looks super athletic and fit, but it doesn't look any different than a normal super athletic fit guy.
You know what I'm saying?
Very doable.
Yeah, it's not like some weirdness about his body that you see.
If you see like Yoel Romero, he's so ridiculously huge.
When he knocks people out, it kind of makes sense.
But Gervonta looks like a regular guy, but he hits like a fucking Mack truck.
The rolly fight, look at this one.
ali siddiq
Boom!
joe rogan
I mean, look at that left hand.
Play that again.
Because that was crazy.
Boom!
unidentified
I mean, it's picture perfect.
joe rogan
He's coming in and he catches him coming in with a perfect left hand.
Look at this.
Boom!
ali siddiq
You don't even...
joe rogan
I mean, some dudes from a shot like that, they're never the same guy.
ali siddiq
He ain't the same.
Yeah.
That shoe is leaning.
joe rogan
Boom!
I mean...
Incredible.
ali siddiq
Look at this shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's so dangerous, man.
He's so dangerous.
ali siddiq
It's like that body shot is what set all that up.
Because he is...
joe rogan
What's the guy that went to his corner is like, man, I can't see.
The guy before Ryan, the guy went to his corner after the round is like, I can't see.
I don't know which guy it was.
I don't think it's him.
But either way, I mean, this is how hard this kid hits.
It's insane.
He's in some crazy situation where the judge sent him to jail because he was under house arrest, but they put him in house arrest in a house, and it was too small for his security detail, his family, and his kids, and so he got a suite at the Four Seasons.
jamie vernon
And his house got robbed, apparently.
joe rogan
And his house got robbed while he was in prison.
ali siddiq
That's insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
He's so fucking talented.
There's so many fights for him now.
After the Devin Haney-Lomachenko fight and Shakur Stevenson, that division is just stacked.
ali siddiq
What you think about that Lomachenko fight?
joe rogan
I didn't agree with it.
It's close, though.
If you go back and watch it, it's a close fight.
But I think Lomachenko edged him.
I think Lomachenko should have got the decision.
He was pushing it.
He definitely had more significant moments.
But Haney did land some very good body shots.
And showed his heart.
Because he got pushed further than anybody's ever pushed him before.
Look at what he did to Kambosis two fights in a row.
He boxed Kambosis' face off.
ali siddiq
I had to go back.
joe rogan
Yeah, this guy.
Hector Luis Garcia.
That guy.
Yeah, he's like, I can't see.
He goes, I didn't know where I was.
That's how hard he is.
It's crazy.
ali siddiq
I had to go back and...
I ain't in a little Machinko fight to go to the...
I started watching in five, in the fifth.
So I had to go back and see what type of damage did he do in the first four.
And I say, well, I guess they just go on these body shots.
Because Loma Chico, from round seven to the end, I thought that he was winning this fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought he was winning too.
ali siddiq
When I watched it without the sound, I thought that he clearly 8, 9, and 10...
Well, clear Lomachenko rounds for me, 8, 9, and 10. And then 11 and 12 was a toss-up because of the vicious body shots.
joe rogan
What are those body shots worth?
If you look at, like, a Gervonta Davis body shot knockout blow, it's obviously worth a lot.
But people tend to think that hitting someone in the face generally scores more than hitting someone in the body.
I don't know if that's fair.
It was a very, very good fight.
ali siddiq
It was a good fight.
joe rogan
The problem with a fight like that is when a decision comes and most people don't agree with it, it kind of like taints the effort.
You know, it's like everybody looks at Haney like he did something wrong and he fought an amazing fight against a guy who's a ghost.
Lomachenko's a ghost.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, what he does in there is wild shit, man.
ali siddiq
And he's a hard-hitting, and he pushed the fight.
He pushed the fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, he definitely pushed the fight, and he definitely did some wild shit, but he definitely got hit with some hard body shots.
It was a good fight, a very, very good fight.
ali siddiq
I think the fact that he was trying to absorb the body shots with coming off his feet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And it just don't look good.
It looked like somebody knocking you off your feet.
joe rogan
Right.
ali siddiq
Instead of...
joe rogan
You're jumping with it.
ali siddiq
Yeah, you're jumping with it, trying to take the impact off, and the shit's still hitting you.
And if he would have stayed down, I think it wouldn't have looked this bad, but shit, if you would have stayed down, would you have went down?
joe rogan
Right.
He's doing the right thing.
You gotta go with those shots.
Especially with Devin Haney.
Devin Haney's a big lightweight.
He's big.
He's big and he hits very hard and he's so skillful.
His jab is top notch.
In the Combosus fight, I was...
Combosus is good, man.
What he did to Teofimo when he dropped him in the first round, I was like, woo!
ali siddiq
He's fast!
Haney jab.
Just crazy.
joe rogan
It looked crazy, but he also technically looked so good.
Everything he did was so good.
He's so well-schooled.
ali siddiq
Yes, that was good.
That Loma Chico, I just want to see them fight more.
But I think Crawford is going to pull it out.
joe rogan
Well, it's going to be interesting to see.
You know, I would never...
To me, that is, who the fuck knows?
I'm excited to see it.
Errol Spence is a bad man.
He's a bad man.
ali siddiq
Yeah, he's a bad man.
joe rogan
He hits hard.
I think he's underrated by a lot of people for some reason.
But that's another level.
But this is the highest level both of them have experienced, I think.
Like, who, I mean, who do you think out of people that Bud has beaten?
He's beaten, everybody's fought.
But who do you think is on the level of Errol?
Arguably, this is the best fighter he's faced.
ali siddiq
Yeah, I think this is the best fighter he's faced.
joe rogan
I think this is the best fighter he's faced.
And this is no disrespect to any of the other fighters he's faced.
ali siddiq
Yeah, no disrespect to them.
joe rogan
But I think right now Earl is like, he's in that stage, that Sugar Ray Leonard in his prime stage.
You know, there's a stage where a fighter is so elite that you're like, I can't wait to see what happens when he fights Roberto Duran.
I can't wait.
You know, there's this level where you're like, how good is he?
ali siddiq
I just saw Sugar Ray and his benefit for diabetes and Sugar Ray looks fit right now.
joe rogan
He works out on Instagram.
ali siddiq
Sugar Ray looks like he ready right now.
joe rogan
You can see his workouts.
He puts workouts up on Instagram.
ali siddiq
And you know, when you run into a fighter and you don't realize how small they are in certain fighters and then other ones you don't realize how big they are.
I ran into Sugar Shane Mosley at the same benefit, and he's smaller than me, but he's rocked up, like, up under his sweater with so many knots.
It's like a pillowcase full of shoes.
It's like all these rocks.
I'm like, hey, man, Sugar Shane, you good?
What's up, brother?
You good?
I'm like...
Good lord.
You strong, man.
Like, why?
Right now.
And then Benoit Hopkins was there in a suit, real tailored.
I was like, hey champ, how you doing?
Hands was just stone.
Y'all, I'm good, brother.
But talking soft.
Just, hey brother, you good?
But Sugar Ray, man.
Sugar Ray.
joe rogan
It's Sugar Ray.
Still working out.
ali siddiq
And he's...
joe rogan
Look at him.
ali siddiq
All that hurt.
It's like at Midtown.
At Main Street Boxing Gym, right?
It's this man.
He is 79. And he comes there every day.
He cleans up in the gym.
And try it.
Try it.
Think that you're going to get a win off of him.
Hey man, let's box around.
This is going to be the worst day of your whole entire life.
joe rogan
He's 79?
ali siddiq
I don't know who he used to fight.
As soon as that bell go off, it is a problem.
Like, hey man, you know I just, me and you just talked like we friends.
Like, this shit is bad.
joe rogan
Really?
ali siddiq
Yes!
unidentified
Wow.
ali siddiq
And it's, man, it is a melee.
joe rogan
Did you see George Foreman hitting the heavy bag at 74?
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Did you see that?
ali siddiq
Yes, I saw it on the internet.
Find out.
It is insane.
joe rogan
Insane.
unidentified
Do that!
ali siddiq
Insane!
And then Mike Tyson working out.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh my god.
ali siddiq
Oh, it's like, man, does his trainer, does it not look like he's killing him?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, his trainer is Rafael Cordero.
He's a legendary MMA trainer.
He runs Kings MMA in California.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
Yeah, Rafael Cordero is the man.
ali siddiq
It's like them blows are coming so close.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's wearing a bodysuit and eating those body shots.
Fuck that.
And then also you got that just knowing Mike Tyson has boxing gloves and he's in front of you and somehow or another you're in a fucking ring with him and he's moving towards you like, what does that feel like?
But check this out.
Look at George.
ali siddiq
And that's the big one.
joe rogan
Yeah, give me some volume on this because we got to hear this.
unidentified
You still got that power?
joe rogan
Yes.
ali siddiq
What?
joe rogan
What happened to the volume?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, we gotta hear it.
Oh, you gotta hear it.
Oh, this doesn't mean anything.
Let's fix that.
Let's fix it.
Whatever it is.
ali siddiq
And that's that.
I'm quite sure you have been on the biggest bag in the gym.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a big-ass bag.
ali siddiq
And that shit don't move.
Like, you...
And the bag not moving.
joe rogan
Jamie, what's going on?
I have no idea.
jamie vernon
No, it's not even getting to my computer.
I'm trying to figure out why.
unidentified
But it did before.
joe rogan
Oh, so there's something wrong with the connection to the computer.
Here it is.
Okay, back it up.
Back it up so we can see it again.
unidentified
Here it is.
ali siddiq
You still got that power, Dan?
unidentified
Power doesn't age.
joe rogan
Are you ready?
unidentified
Let me see what you got, champ.
joe rogan
Some's acted out.
unidentified
Let's go, champ.
Let's go. - Yeah, I got it.
ali siddiq
What the heck?
unidentified
Come on.
Bro.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look at this left.
Dude, and that's one of the things that George Foreman used to practice.
Go to young George Foreman hitting the heavy bag.
George Foreman, like, he would hit the heavy bag different than a lot of people would.
One of the things that he would do is he would always just practice walloping the heavy bag.
Just stand in front of it, full blast, winging punches.
Not like setting things up, moving around.
ali siddiq
No setup.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
All right, we're back.
See if you can find young George Foreman hitting the heavy bag.
ali siddiq
Why did he have his face on that bag?
George coming around.
unidentified
The other dude?
joe rogan
Because he's never had George Foreman hit the heavy bag with him before.
ali siddiq
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's hard to hold the heavy bag without doing that, though.
Yeah, here it is.
Look at this.
So he did a lot of this.
The volume's dead again?
Here it goes.
I got it now.
Look at this.
But who hits the heavy bag like this?
He's just winging punches.
ali siddiq
He got a hand out the way.
unidentified
Yeah.
Look at the dents.
No one ever hit it the way Foreman did.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, even the way he does it, he's just throwing power shot after power shot.
ali siddiq
And that's just to break you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, and not even really bending that much at the knees.
That's what's crazy.
The kind of power this dude had.
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
I mean, this is ferocious.
unidentified
Ferocious.
joe rogan
When he gets his legs into it, my God.
ali siddiq
This thing, Ali was taking it.
joe rogan
Took it all.
Took it all and dodged him.
I want you to pull up George Foreman knocks out Joe Frazier.
ali siddiq
Ooh, it was crazy.
I thought Frazier was going to die.
He knocked him off his feet.
joe rogan
That was a crazy one.
Because that was when Joe Frazier had just beaten Muhammad Ali.
ali siddiq
Yep.
joe rogan
And then you see what Foreman does to Frazier, and everybody thought that Foreman was going to crush Ali, and they were scared.
ali siddiq
Because it was like, this is a real...
It's like this is the first super heavyweight or something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So this is the second round.
So this is when he's already hurt, I believe.
I don't remember how many rounds it was.
jamie vernon
Oh, they're trying to replay this.
joe rogan
So this was like he had hurt him the round before.
Yeah, here it is.
ali siddiq
It was just crazy.
joe rogan
The power!
Even the way he's boxing, he boxes the way he hit the bag.
Look.
It's just the power is so extraordinary that if he catches you at all, he thumps you with that jab and then just swings at you.
ali siddiq
And he hits you.
joe rogan
Oh, look at that uppercut.
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Look at that right hand.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Look at that uppercut.
Oh my God.
unidentified
Oh my god!
Oh my god!
joe rogan
So the round ends.
unidentified
So he gets up and he goes back to his corner.
joe rogan
Now, this is what's amazing that they didn't stop this fight.
ali siddiq
They didn't.
joe rogan
That's amazing that his corner didn't say, that's it.
That's it, champ.
ali siddiq
That's it, champ.
Because he's a warrior and you can't let him go after it.
joe rogan
But this is a different time, too.
This is a different time, too.
I think today they would have stopped the fight.
ali siddiq
Yeah, they probably would have stopped this.
joe rogan
I think today they would have stopped the fight.
ali siddiq
Especially knowing this type of power that's coming.
joe rogan
So this is afterwards.
What's going on?
What's he warning you about?
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's power.
Here it is.
ali siddiq
Boom!
And see, the problem is, you can't even block that with your gloves.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't help.
ali siddiq
It's too much power.
joe rogan
It's so much power.
And it's skillful, too.
It's like he wings those to the body, but he's also skillful with the jab.
Oh, look at that left.
Oh my god.
ali siddiq
Frazier couldn't even throw his.
joe rogan
For the fifth time he's down.
unidentified
This is crazy, this fight.
ali siddiq
And he's still...
unidentified
Boom, boom, boom.
joe rogan
I mean, what a warrior Joe Frazier was.
ali siddiq
He gone, too.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure, but he's still in there.
Oh, look at that.
unidentified
Three times.
Three times.
The fight is stopped.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it's not stopped.
Okay, they're stopping the fight.
unidentified
Crazy.
ali siddiq
It was crazy.
And Ali's sitting on the couch like, and he goes, my shot!
This is who I want to fight!
joe rogan
Do you know that Hunter S. Thompson flew to Africa to watch that fight and was so scared that Ali was going to get killed, and so he didn't want to see Ali get the fuck beaten out of him, so he stayed in his hotel.
He stayed in his hotel and he got drunk and he floated around in the pool, on a pool floatie.
And then afterwards he found out that Ali won.
So they'd flown him to Africa to write, to report.
Rolling Stone flew him there.
ali siddiq
That's crazy.
joe rogan
He just completely failed.
Didn't go there at all.
ali siddiq
He's like, no, I'm not.
joe rogan
He put on a Nixon mask and he was floating around on a pool.
There's like video of him doing it.
unidentified
Because I don't want to see his hero get killed.
joe rogan
Everybody thought he was going to get killed.
Everybody saw that fight and they thought he was going to get killed.
They said, there's no way.
How is he going to beat him?
Oh, here we go.
jamie vernon
But, I mean, the video's over.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's cool.
But, my God, man.
That era.
ali siddiq
That era of boxing.
The Hagler is still Hagler and Tommy Hitman Hearns.
It's like they hated.
It's like whatever went on between them.
Like, hey man, I'm not coming to box you.
I am coming to a fight with gloves on.
This is the only thing.
It's like you thought that Hagler was out of there.
And Hagler's like, nope.
Nope.
I'm going to kill him.
Do you understand?
Like, I don't care about being down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He didn't get knocked down.
ali siddiq
He was, like I'm saying, behind in the fight.
He was like, I'm not concerned about none of that.
Hey man, second round, we gonna see about it.
That first round was crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Crazy.
And Hearns broke his hand in the first round.
Crazy.
And Hearns cracked him a few times.
ali siddiq
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
But Hagler had a legendary chin.
A legendary chin.
ali siddiq
And that's why he hated how Ali beat him.
I mean, how Sugar Ray beat him with the pitty pat shots.
It's like, you can see him looking at him like, what the fuck are you doing with this pitty pat shit in the last 10 seconds?
Like, yo man, what the fuck is he doing?
Why does he keep massaging my arms?
Like, it was terrible.
joe rogan
That wasn't the best, but I do respect the fact that he left.
unidentified
He's like, that's it.
joe rogan
I'm gonna go to Italy and be a movie star.
ali siddiq
I'm done.
joe rogan
I'm done.
ali siddiq
I'm done, yeah.
joe rogan
There's only a few guys that have ever just said, that's it, and never came back.
ali siddiq
Did you see anybody better than Peniel Whitaker?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
Never.
No, not defensively.
He was a fucking genius.
He was a genius.
He got robbed against Chavez.
ali siddiq
Yeah, he did.
Damn sure.
If I did a movie, like, I know a movie that I want to do about me coaching girls in Summer League, but if I did a movie, I would want to play...
Penel Whitaker.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ali siddiq
Sweet Pea is like, that's one of the most phenomenal boxers.
joe rogan
He was so creative.
ali siddiq
Oh man.
joe rogan
He was so slick in there.
Like his movement was so like, see if you find a Penel Whitaker highlight.
He was a bummer man when he died.
ali siddiq
His footwork was phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a part of that crew that was like Meldrick Taylor, Mark Breland.
Remember those guys?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude.
But he was just so slick.
Just so hard to hit.
Oh, this is him and Chavez.
Oh, the highlights are part of it.
Look at that.
I mean, come on, man.
I know.
That was a real bummer, man.
That decision.
Most people disagreed with that decision.
unidentified
He was so slick.
ali siddiq
And hit so hard.
joe rogan
Oh, so accurate, too.
Oh, look at that.
Oh, my goodness.
He was amazing.
Yeah, he was an amazing boxer.
That whole era...
ali siddiq
Yeah, that was a lot of great fighters.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look at this.
Look at that.
That's amazing.
Look how slick that is.
I mean, come on, man.
Who fucking moves better than that guy?
unidentified
Look at that.
That's insane.
ali siddiq
You get nothing.
joe rogan
And it's Oscar De La Hoya.
I mean, it's not a regular dude.
It's the fucking golden boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this.
ali siddiq
Insane!
unidentified
Insane!
joe rogan
He literally dropped down to his butt.
I mean, he's so slick.
Like nobody else, man.
Look at this.
Rolling with shots.
It's like as the shots are coming at him, I mean, amazing.
ali siddiq
Slip, slip, and then slip, miss, then boom.
Let me give you one on the way out.
joe rogan
Nothing is touching him.
It's insane.
Look at him.
I mean, this is incredible.
That's how good he was, man.
He was so fucking good.
So was Magic Taylor in the early days.
ali siddiq
Yeah, Magic Taylor.
joe rogan
Magic Taylor was winning against Leo Cesar Chavez until he landed one punch.
That one punch in the last round.
And then Richard Steele stops the fight with two seconds to go.
ali siddiq
Richard Steele.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
ali siddiq
It's like when the best to ever do it, you can watch Kid Dropped, Roy.
Man, he was so...
Then he started rapping.
And Roy Jones Jr. started rapping, it was over.
I was like...
unidentified
Damn!
ali siddiq
I say, man, he gotta stay with boxing, man.
He start playing basketball and doing everything else.
And then he get rocked.
Yeah, well, Tarver was fucking good.
Tarver was fucking insane.
joe rogan
Tarver was fucking good.
Remember when Tarver talked to him right before the fight?
Got any excuses tonight, Roy?
ali siddiq
Any excuses tonight, Roy?
joe rogan
Like, whoa!
ali siddiq
Tava was a...
You seen it.
Like, it's gonna be a problem.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Like, it's gonna be a problem.
joe rogan
Tava was competitive at heavyweight.
He went all the way up to heavyweight.
ali siddiq
Tava was a good fighter.
joe rogan
Very good fighter.
Very good fighter.
Very difficult to deal with.
And when he knocked out Roy, everybody was like, holy shit.
And then Glenn Johnson did it, and that was a scary one.
Remember that one?
ali siddiq
Yeah, his mitt was up a pretty long time.
They were sweeping and everything.
joe rogan
Those scare me.
Those kind of scare me when someone stiffens up.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
And to have it happen after the Tarver KO, those are the kinds that scare me.
Because sometimes a fighter is still recovering from the initial knockout, and they've just convinced themselves they're okay.
Yeah.
ali siddiq
And they're not ready.
joe rogan
No, man.
You know, that's why Manny Pacquiao, after Marquez knocked him out, Freddie Roach said, I want you to take a year off.
A whole year.
You want to still work together?
I want you to take a year off.
That was a bad knockout.
ali siddiq
That was.
joe rogan
That was a bad one.
That was a bad one.
ali siddiq
Marquez is a bad man.
joe rogan
He's a bad man.
ali siddiq
And shit.
unidentified
And it looked like he was on all the good stuff for that.
joe rogan
It looks like his piss would melt the styrofoam cup.
ali siddiq
I want everything that I'm not supposed to be taking.
I'm ready.
joe rogan
If they drug tested him, it would ding like a carnival bell.
unidentified
Ding!
joe rogan
Like one of them Bugs Bunny ones where he's got the big mallet.
unidentified
He was working with the guy that Pacquiao used to work with.
joe rogan
The guy that Pacquiao, the strength and conditioning guy, which is always the juice guys.
ali siddiq
Always the juice guys.
joe rogan
Those are the guys.
unidentified
They're 70 and they got abs.
ali siddiq
I was just eating this banana.
I didn't know what was in it.
joe rogan
He ate my food.
I had no idea what was in it.
Canelo said he got some tainted beef.
unidentified
You know, how'd you get the fucking steroids in your body?
joe rogan
Tacos, bro.
Tainted tacos.
ali siddiq
They just sprinkling on the tacos.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
Frank Mir, who was a UFC heavyweight champion.
Look at that.
Yeah, he was Jackson, son.
Jack City.
And that's at the weigh-ins.
And they had real weigh-ins back then.
So he looked a lot bigger the next day.
So those weigh-ins, like the UFC, we don't have real weigh-ins.
We have real weigh-ins, but when the public sees it, it's a ceremonial weigh-in.
And it's oftentimes many hours after the first weigh-in.
So what happens is they weigh in at like 8, 10 in the morning.
And then they get to rehydrate till 4 p.m.
when they get back on the scale for the ceremonial weigh-ins.
They've been drinking water and electrolytes all day and eating all day.
So they might be like 10 pounds heavier, like no bullshit by then.
And then they look good.
So Marquez on fight night though, show him Marquez versus Pacquiao.
Was it three?
It was the third one, right?
That was the last one.
ali siddiq
On fight night.
joe rogan
It was four.
That's right.
It was four.
And they wanted to have a fifth one.
And Marquez was like, no, I'm good.
I got it.
I got this one.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
You got me, but I got you, motherfucker.
I got you where it counts.
unidentified
He was jacked, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He was like, fucking jacked.
And he was doing a lot of crazy workouts for that fight, too.
A lot of dumbbell shit.
Oh, my God.
Look at the fucking power behind that shot.
My God.
ali siddiq
Look at Manny.
joe rogan
Look at that.
ali siddiq
Damn.
joe rogan
Look at the power behind that shot.
Goddamn, man.
ali siddiq
Pac-Man was getting packed.
joe rogan
And then when he literally like, that's it right there, Jamie.
That's it.
Yeah, that's it.
He literally ran into that shot looking to land a shot and Marquez timed it perfectly.
To watch a great like him get flatlined is always so strange.
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Like, you're so used to seeing him doing that to like Ricky Hatton.
ali siddiq
Right?
unidentified
Right?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
joe rogan
That fight?
ali siddiq
Holy shit.
Ricky Hatton got...
Oh, Ricky hadn't got it.
joe rogan
He got it from Pacquiao.
ali siddiq
He got it from Pacquiao.
When he got it from Floyd, he ran into the buckle.
I'm like, man, what the hell is going on?
joe rogan
Floyd got him first, right?
ali siddiq
Yeah, Floyd got him first, and then Manny leveled him.
joe rogan
Yeah, Manny flatlined him.
Oh, my God.
Look at the power behind this.
unidentified
Watch this.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh my god.
I mean, the way his head snaps back and he falls.
ali siddiq
Look at this lady over here.
Look at her.
He's like, oh my god, he's dead.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at her.
Look at him.
He's like, yeah!
unidentified
Viva Mexico!
He has zero concern.
joe rogan
Look at him.
I mean Pacquiao is out cold.
ali siddiq
Is he down?
Is he down?
Okay.
Hey!
He didn't give a shit.
joe rogan
I mean, that's like a gunshot wound.
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
I mean, it is the perfect punch.
That might be one of the great...
I mean, it is one of the greatest punches.
One-punch knockouts in the history of boxing.
With the consequences on the line, with all on the line, with these two guys being world champions...
ali siddiq
Did the back of your show say, get cracking?
Is that what it said?
You just got fucking rocked!
joe rogan
You got cracked.
You got what you asked for.
That was a wild, wild fucking...
Four fights between those two guys.
Get cracking on his shorts.
He's a hell of a pool player.
ali siddiq
He is?
joe rogan
Yeah, like world class.
Yeah.
ali siddiq
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, like professional level pool player.
Legitimately.
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Like Minnesota Fats type?
joe rogan
Minnesota Fats wasn't really Minnesota Fats.
Minnesota Fats was New York Fats, and then when the movie The Hustler came out with Jackie Gleason and Paul Newman in 1963, I think?
Was it 63?
When that movie came out, the movie was so popular that New York Fats changed his name to Minnesota Fats and said the movie was all about him.
But it wasn't.
He was just a good...
His name was Rudolph Waldron.
And he was a good pool player.
But he was not at the level of, like, Willie Moscone, who was, like, the world champion at the time.
ali siddiq
I don't know.
joe rogan
He was just a really good talker.
He was just a smooth-talking hustler character.
ali siddiq
Man, there's some guys that grew up in pool halls that would beg to differ if they was great.
joe rogan
If who was great?
ali siddiq
Any of them guys.
There's some guys who never even got noticed.
They've just been playing in pool halls all their life.
I know them guys who talk...
I wish Minnesota Fats would come down and wear his ass out.
joe rogan
Well, they probably would wear Minnesota Fats out, but he would play in one pocket.
He really didn't gamble in anything other than one pocket, I think.
I'm sure he played nine ball, too, but when he would play big games against people, he liked to play in one pocket.
He could play everything, though.
He was a real professional class pool player.
He was a hustler, but Willie Moscone was the world champion.
William Moscone, his high record of running balls in a row was like 526 balls in a row.
It lasted for decades.
ali siddiq
That's the person that's in public, John.
That's the public person.
joe rogan
That's not really true.
It's not really true.
Because in the pool world, everybody gets found out.
Especially today.
Because they gamble.
Because the great players, the best players, they all gamble.
ali siddiq
You ever heard of Minnesota Red?
joe rogan
I'm sure there is a Minnesota Red.
Believe me, this is my world.
I literally came up in pool halls.
I know a lot about pool hustling.
ali siddiq
This is my dad on his own stick and all this.
And you always say, man, if I don't go shoot, we don't eat, which wasn't true because he owned the company.
But he was a pool shark.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm sure there's a lot of pool sharks.
ali siddiq
And there's some guys out there that I used to be in the pool hall, I'm like, dang.
If they went public, like if that was, did they got into, do you think everybody makes it to?
Like it's some basketball legends that played at Rutgers, right?
In everybody's mind, you talk about Dr. J, they like, come on, man.
Willie Earle?
Willie Earle was the coder?
But only people that know about Willie Earle.
joe rogan
Well, there's guys like that in pool.
But here's the thing.
Everybody knows about him.
They might not be in the professional tournaments, but everybody knows about him.
ali siddiq
They're all hustlers.
joe rogan
They're all gamblers.
So they all gamble.
To get that good, to get really good, you have to play for stakes.
You don't get that good playing funsies.
ali siddiq
Oh, no.
Ain't no funsies.
You gotta play for real bread.
joe rogan
When you play for real bread, people find out.
Because the pool wire is like the quickest wire in the country.
If someone is playing for $25,000 at hard times in Sacramento, people in New York City hear about it.
ali siddiq
Oh, hell yeah.
joe rogan
Instantly.
People text each other.
There's no secrets.
ali siddiq
If you're playing for $2,500, I'm going to hear about it.
joe rogan
So if guys are good, everybody knows about it.
There's local legends.
There's this guy named Justin Bergman.
He might be as good as anybody alive.
But he doesn't play in too many tournaments.
But everybody's scared to gamble with him.
He goes and gambles with world champions and robs them.
And he's like this dude who never leaves his town.
And people come to him and try to gamble with him.
ali siddiq
It's folklore shit.
joe rogan
But they're all known.
You know what I'm saying?
ali siddiq
Remember, what was the sitcom that somebody's son got hustled I think it was either Good Times or it was probably Good Times.
And he came down and Jane came down.
jamie vernon
Fresh Prince.
ali siddiq
Oh yeah, Fresh Prince.
See, don't nobody know about Phil.
Don't nobody know about Uncle Phil.
Uncle Phil come down there.
Okay, this is what y'all doing.
Y'all ain't heard about me.
This is what I used to do.
And then, so that's what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I'm telling you, in real life, unless he's playing every day, he's getting robbed.
Unless he's playing every day, it's a perishable skill.
ali siddiq
Jeffrey, go get Lucille.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Oh my god, he's terrible.
jamie vernon
He's hustling.
joe rogan
He doesn't know anything.
Now he's pretending?
ali siddiq
Yeah, he's pretending.
joe rogan
Okay, so when does he actually play?
Let me see what he actually does when he's actually playing.
Okay.
Now he screws his cue together.
Alright, so now they're hustling.
Let me see.
jamie vernon
Okay, yeah, they're not gonna show you.
joe rogan
See, that's the most embarrassing shit ever is when they try to get someone to pretend they can play pool and they can't really play pool.
That's why The Color of Money is so impressive.
ali siddiq
Oh yeah, The Color of Money is impressive.
joe rogan
Because Tom Cruise looked like he could kind of play a little.
I mean, he didn't look really like a world champion, but he looked like he could play a little.
It looked reasonable to assume that he could play pool.
ali siddiq
That's like with any skilled thing, like pool and any other thing.
When they have somebody acting like...
joe rogan
Like boxing.
ali siddiq
Like boxing.
Like I was going to say Creed.
Like Creed.
I saw Creed.
Creed is the worst goddamn boxing movie ever.
Like, I'm like, man, Will Smith did better than Muhammad Ali than fucking Creed.
joe rogan
Will Smith did good in Muhammad Ali.
ali siddiq
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
He looked good in Muhammad Ali.
ali siddiq
But Creed, I'm like, man, if you don't get these dance steps the fuck out of here.
Like, I'm like, that is fucking terrible.
Like, this is like, you can tell they were just doing a count all the pad work.
Like, Hey, look.
One, two, three.
Turn your body.
One, two, three.
Turn your body.
Like, God.
This is so terrible.
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
ali siddiq
Like, can you...
I can't particularly watch...
Like, if you watch me watch Oz or any drug-dealing movie or any doctor thing, it's the most excruciating thing happening to my face.
I'm like, that's, that, this is how I've been all done.
This is how I've been all done.
Ah, man, this is them.
They don't even go like that.
unidentified
Like, it's like, like, I, It's terrible.
ali siddiq
I'd rather watch something else that I don't know anything about and just be intrigued.
Like, oh, maybe that could be happening.
But this, I'm like, man, what the fuck are they doing?
joe rogan
Whereas I would watch it and I'd be like, hmm.
I guess that's how it goes down.
ali siddiq
And I'm sitting over there so frustrated next to you, it's whispering.
You're like, yo, that's not how I go.
Man, I'm trying to watch the movie.
unidentified
Yo, that's not how I actually go.
ali siddiq
Explain it to me later.
I'm enjoying this.
I'm like, I'm going to go to the lobby.
I'm going to go to the lobby because I hate this.
joe rogan
It's got to drive people crazy to play piano when they see someone faking it.
That's got to drive people crazy.
unidentified
That's not even your fucking body movement!
ali siddiq
Like, none of this is your body movement!
Like, I would hate that.
joe rogan
Nobody plays piano anymore.
Think about that.
unidentified
You had Ray Charles, you had Little Richard, you had...
ali siddiq
No, no, no, no.
John Legend still played piano.
joe rogan
Oh, does he?
jamie vernon
People definitely played piano.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not like back in the day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jerry Lee Lewis.
jamie vernon
Got more instruments now.
joe rogan
Billy Joel.
I know, I know.
It's not a judgment.
It's not a judgment.
I'm just saying it's interesting.
There used to be so many Elton John.
There were so many piano acts.
There were these big piano acts back in the day.
ali siddiq
I think Usher may play one or two songs in his Vegas.
I don't know, but it is people that play.
John Legend definitely plays the piano in every commercial and everything.
I'm out of the loop.
jamie vernon
I knew what you meant, but there's also a lot of people.
There's other stuff to do.
joe rogan
Right, but what I'm saying is that it used to be like a viable kind of music.
ali siddiq
Yeah, like guitar is still prevalent.
Most people still play the guitar and the drums.
Most people don't pull out.
I get what you're saying, but it is people who...
joe rogan
There's something super sincere about singing a song while you're playing the piano.
ali siddiq
Like...
joe rogan
Goodbye, Norm and Gene.
unidentified
Can I just stand there?
ali siddiq
It's very sincere.
I felt that.
unidentified
you know what I mean that's very personal You know what I mean?
ali siddiq
Yeah.
Like the guitar don't give you that type of feel.
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
They're sitting down.
They're sitting down.
It's very emotional.
ali siddiq
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
It makes you cry.
If he's just standing there...
ali siddiq
That's what John Legend...
That's why John Legend do it.
What is his song?
Ordinary People.
I think he always leans in.
As soon as you hear it, you're like, we are just ordinary people.
jamie vernon
John Mayer was doing something live where he was just doing a live storytelling show.
And he had a piano.
joe rogan
You know what's weird about this?
There's no back to that piano.
How about you face the audience, you fucking...
ali siddiq
It's like I see his stomach before I saw the piano.
Like straighten your shirt.
jamie vernon
If he turned his back, you would think he's faking, maybe.
Just like you were just saying.
unidentified
He's just moving his hands.
jamie vernon
I don't know if that's why they're sideways.
joe rogan
But everybody knows he's super fucking John Mayer.
He's super talented.
jamie vernon
You would think he's taking the night off.
joe rogan
He's a very nice guy, too.
ali siddiq
I think Elton John does his on like...
He kind of slightly turnt, but he's on like a platform.
You can kind of see him.
Elton John is...
joe rogan
He's the man.
Elton John, back in the day.
What's that song, Saturday Night?
Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting?
What is the actual name of that song?
jamie vernon
His shit's Sideways 2. I don't understand that.
joe rogan
I think it must be to show that he's playing it, which makes sense, I guess.
ali siddiq
Is Stevie Wonder Sideways 2?
joe rogan
Also, you get to see more of him that way.
You get to see his hands and his legs moving and everything.
It's probably better.
jamie vernon
Because I'm thinking, like, every time I see anyone play piano, I've never seen him turn forward.
It's 100% or sideways.
ali siddiq
Maybe because it'll just be all knees.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
ali siddiq
Knees and crotch.
You're just getting all knees and crotch.
joe rogan
It's kind of weird that he wears glasses.
Like, why is he wearing sunglasses?
jamie vernon
He always does.
joe rogan
Isn't that odd?
I mean, he always used to wear the big crazy glasses, but that was when he was going bald.
ali siddiq
Maybe his eye's bad now.
joe rogan
He's got his hair fixed.
ali siddiq
Because he's definitely not going bald anymore.
Like a nice little lace front.
joe rogan
I don't know what that is, but it was pretty good.
ali siddiq
Stevie Wonder.
Yeah.
I don't know if Stevie played.
Ray Charles never played to the side.
I mean, the front.
joe rogan
Either.
I think they always played that way.
I think it was probably because, you know, there are those pianos that'll play themselves.
So people probably want to see you moving around.
They want to see you actually doing it.
See if you can find...
ali siddiq
That's what people don't play no more, the harmonica.
joe rogan
So here he's sitting behind keyboards.
Is he facing the crowd?
jamie vernon
I can't tell.
Yeah, looks like he is there.
joe rogan
Okay, he's facing the crowd.
ali siddiq
I think he got keyboards and then he turns to the piano.
joe rogan
What about, try to find Ray Charles.
How did Ray Charles do it?
Because Ray Charles didn't even know, he only knew by sound where they even were.
ali siddiq
When you have...
jamie vernon
Yeah, he's sideways.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ali siddiq
He's sideways, too.
joe rogan
I guess they all do it that way.
Makes sense.
jamie vernon
Here, no, I guess maybe a better answer is that when you open the piano up, that's where the sound comes out.
joe rogan
Oh, because it goes like this.
Oh, that makes sense.
jamie vernon
And then maybe it's just traditional that they all just do it that way.
joe rogan
Oh, that's that top thing.
So that top acts as like sound bounces off of it.
jamie vernon
If you point the sound the other way, it's going to be not a good concert.
joe rogan
Oh, that's pretty badass.
jamie vernon
That's probably most of the reason why.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
That's pretty cool that they designed the top like that.
ali siddiq
It's like a sideways harp, an enclosed harp.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie vernon
But these pianos don't do that, so that kind of defeats us.
joe rogan
Alright, I gotta wrap this up.
Tell everybody the names of your specials, where they can get them.
ali siddiq
Domino Effect, Domino Effect 2, Lost.
They can go right on to my website, AliSadiq.com.
joe rogan
It's AliSadiqComedy on Instagram, is that what it is?
What are you on Instagram?
ali siddiq
No, Ali Sadiq on Instagram.
joe rogan
What is Ali Sadiq comedy?
What's that?
ali siddiq
Oh, that's the YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, your YouTube.
ali siddiq
That's my YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
ali siddiq
Yeah, Ali Sadiq comedy is my YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, because it says at Ali Sadiq.
That's why I was confused.
So it's Ali Sadiq Instagram, Ali Sadiq Twitter, AliSadiq.com.
ali siddiq
On Twitter it's Ali underscore speaks on Twitter.
But this loss is on YouTube.
You can go straight to YouTube and watch it for free or you can go to the website and watch it for free.
You know, it's the actions.
joe rogan
And it's all available.
It's all available right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, Ali Sadiq.
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate it.
It was a lot of fun.
unidentified
Thank you.
ali siddiq
All right.
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