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April 12, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1969 - Sam Tallent
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joe rogan
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sam tallent
51:49
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Jamie, how's this?
sam tallent
Do I sound powerful and elegant?
Thank you.
joe rogan
Bro, you are powerful and elegant.
sam tallent
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
You are enough.
sam tallent
I appreciate that.
I'm good enough.
joe rogan
I had a friend of mine, and she was asking me something just about comedy.
And I go, I just, you know, I don't like my stuff.
No one likes their stuff.
Like, you see it too much, it just gets in your head.
And you're like, ugh.
I look at it like a hater.
And she goes, I just want you to know, no matter what, that you are enough.
I go, what?
I go, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm not saying, like, I don't like my stuff, like I have a problem, like I'm a crazy person.
No, I'm just like, that's just the process.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I feel good.
sam tallent
Right.
joe rogan
But that thing that people say to people, you are enough.
I just want you to know that you are enough.
sam tallent
Look, I don't need validation from you, lady.
unidentified
She's a nice lady!
sam tallent
I'm sure she's a nice lady.
joe rogan
She's a very nice lady.
sam tallent
But I don't think you're going to her to be like, can you hold my hand through this difficult period?
joe rogan
I think some people do do that to people.
They go fishing for that kind of response.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That you are enough.
I'm like, no, no, I'm okay.
sam tallent
It's like, look, I know.
Look around, lady.
I kind of made Austin a thing.
Yeah, I know I'm okay.
I mean, it's sweet of her, but...
joe rogan
She's awesome.
sam tallent
I also hate watching my shit, dude.
You hate it?
That'd be my Guantanamo.
That making me watch all my old specials?
Yuck.
joe rogan
Goddammit.
sam tallent
Or like a YouTube clip from like 2007?
joe rogan
That's the thing that you have to do, too, like when working on new material.
I either watch or listen to it.
Have to listen to it.
Just have to.
I gotta know what makes me groan.
What makes me go, yuck.
sam tallent
What's the cringe in there?
joe rogan
Yeah, what's the yuck?
How do I cut the yuck out of that?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just like, you're gonna have that.
You gotta look at your hat like you're a hater.
sam tallent
Oh, for sure.
I do.
Luckily, I never have any moments where I'm like, oh, this is working out.
I watch and I'm like, why is your leg like that?
I can barely hear the joke.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, look at your hair.
When did that leave?
Look how far that's receding.
Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
How long have you been shaving your head?
joe rogan
Um...
12 years?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Something like that?
sam tallent
I'm going there, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's way better.
sam tallent
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You don't think about it anymore.
It's like, oh, it's like one less thing to think about.
If you have a good shaped head.
sam tallent
I don't.
joe rogan
Some people have flat heads.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Their head's flat, but now you got a new joke about having a flat head.
sam tallent
Yeah, then I have to turn around or have a mirror behind me.
unidentified
That's fine.
sam tallent
Yeah, it's all right.
unidentified
Give him a little fucking...
sam tallent
I'm going to get into props.
joe rogan
Give him a little look at the flat.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
No, I don't have a good head.
It's bumpy.
I think if I shaved my head, I would go mutton chops.
I would leave the chops.
joe rogan
Why don't you go fucking full Sufi beard?
Yeah, just lower.
Just the lower beard, like from Dagestan.
unidentified
Amish?
sam tallent
Yeah, right here.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amish, go underneath the chin.
sam tallent
Yeah, the apple butter.
Do they all the Amish do it?
joe rogan
They go underneath, right?
sam tallent
I think there's some kind of recessive allele where they're not like God keeps them from having any hair on their cheeks.
joe rogan
There's so many Muslims who fight in the UFC who have shaved heads and they grow a full-ass beard.
There's the Amish one.
That's ridiculous.
sam tallent
So he is shaving it.
joe rogan
That shit is not catching on.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Anybody.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a weird middle ground, right?
Because he could eat food with no problem at all, which is like kind of a cop-out.
sam tallent
You know what he's not eating?
Pussy.
They don't eat pussy?
I don't think so.
joe rogan
They're not allowed to eat pussy.
sam tallent
Those guys' forearms?
Have you seen an Amish guy with his shirt off?
joe rogan
They jerk off a lot, I'm sure.
unidentified
Ha ha!
sam tallent
You're sure?
joe rogan
They have to do it to memory, right?
sam tallent
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
They can't be watching porn.
sam tallent
No.
They just have wood carvings.
joe rogan
What did you say?
Because Amish men shave their mustaches off, you may be wondering now if an Amish are allowed to shave.
While married men may shave their mustaches only, unmarried men may shave their beards too.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
The only prohibition on shaving applies to the beards of married men.
Oh, okay, so it's like a wedding ring.
So once you have a full beard, all the hoes need to leave you the fuck alone.
sam tallent
Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm taken, ladies.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's taken, bitches.
That's why he's growing this gross-ass beard.
sam tallent
Yeah, God forbid they see your chin.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that you're on the marketplace if you don't have a beard?
You're this guy out there with no beard.
sam tallent
Yeah, you're swinging your peacock.
joe rogan
Yeah, imagine the fucking Mrs. Amish and Mr. Amish have a fight and you just watch this bitch.
sam tallent
Just half of it.
joe rogan
She shaves his beard off.
I'm halfway out the door.
sam tallent
She starts crying, runs outside, makes some butter real quick.
joe rogan
Makes some butter.
They don't have any electricity.
They make their own houses.
sam tallent
Dude, those Amish, the way they raise houses so quick.
joe rogan
Oh, they're really good at it.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And then Mennonites, they're, you know, they're like rough around the edges.
joe rogan
I don't know any Mennonites, but I did meet one with Ari Shafir at the airport, and I found out because he asked her.
unidentified
What are you?
sam tallent
Yeah.
Classic Ari.
joe rogan
Oh, no, it wasn't at the airport.
I'm sorry.
It was at a rest stop.
It was at a rest stop in Massachusetts, I think.
We were in between gigs, just driving to a gig.
What are you?
Why didn't you ask her?
What are you?
Yeah, what is that?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's wearing an outfit.
sam tallent
What's up with the bonnet?
Which one are you?
joe rogan
It is fucking weird though, man.
You know what's weird?
Is that when people do a really shitty job, it's a cult.
When they do a really good job, it's a religion.
But it's basically the same system that it works on in the human brain.
It works on the same mechanisms.
Like someone has all the answers and they have a connection to a higher power.
That's why, you know, one thing that creeps me out about atheism...
It's not atheism itself.
It's that I think that tendency to just find a group of ideas that you will wholesale subscribe to is like built into us.
I think it's a cultural thing like war.
And I think when people don't have that, If they don't have Christianity or Islam or Buddhism or Judaism, whatever they don't have, they'll put it into something else.
I think it's a normal part of being a person for some strange reason.
sam tallent
Well, yeah, we were trying to find community all the time, right?
We're seeking ways to make whatever our small group is be safe and maybe work with other like-minded groups.
And when it comes to atheism, it's wild when people become fundamental about that.
When you're devout to the idea of atheism, it's like, I don't think there's anything after this, but I'm also not going to become an apostate from any other ideas.
joe rogan
I don't know why anybody would be sure one way or the other.
sam tallent
Oh, I don't know, because you have to be, I think.
joe rogan
Well, it would help you if you were.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
So the thing about it, like Jordan Peterson says this, that you should live your life as if God is real.
And if you live your life as if God is real, you will definitely live a better life.
I was like, that's a very interesting way of thinking about it, because if you're wrong, there's no consequences, because you just die.
But if you're living that way, at the very least, you'll have less anxiety.
sam tallent
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
You'll have more of a sense of purpose, and you'll probably do the right thing more often, because you'll be sort of like...
Aiming to that.
As a good Christian, I know a lot of people that are Christians that are really good people.
And it's because they aim towards that.
They think about that all the time.
They think about what would God want me to do.
They think about what does God teach.
And they're aiming in that.
They're still human.
We're all fucked.
sam tallent
For sure.
joe rogan
But they're aiming in that direction.
sam tallent
Let's underline that.
We are all fucked.
We're all fucked.
Let's not forget that.
joe rogan
The whole population.
sam tallent
I don't like when people do things because they are trying to cash checks in heaven.
I do like it when you're just doing it because it's the right thing to do.
Like when you give a homeless guy five bucks and he's like, God bless you, I'm the kind of dickhead who's like, there's no God involved in this.
This is one man trying to help one man.
I'm doing this because I think it's going to benefit you, not because I'm trying to get up to the big man.
joe rogan
That's true, but maybe he's saying, God bless you, like he's so happy that you did that for him.
sam tallent
It's the nicest thing he knows how to say.
joe rogan
He really hopes good things happen to you as well.
sam tallent
Sure, I know.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing, right?
Because you feel like if you buy into it, you're being a dupe.
You're getting duped.
Oh, they got you.
They got you with that nonsense.
What'd they get you with that?
Mormonism shit.
Yeah, you think you're gonna get your own planet when you die, stupid.
sam tallent
Which is pretty cool, let's be honest.
If you're gonna pick one.
joe rogan
I have a friend in California, and she was a Mormon for a long time, and she decided to stop being a Mormon, and when she decided to stop being a Mormon, one of the craziest things that she said was, She goes, I realized that I was way more vulnerable to, like, weird culty stuff, like spirituality and yoga and that kind of...
She goes, I felt like because I had accepted devout Mormonism my whole life, I hadn't questioned anything.
That as an adult, questioned, like, I think she left in her late 30s or 40s.
So, as an adult, like, she just became vulnerable to, like, kind of hucksters.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Energy healers and, you know, that kind of shit.
Like, it seemed like, oh, that makes sense.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's what I'm looking...
Like, there's a fucking program in our head where we want to believe nonsense.
And whether that program is attached to the Republican Party, whether it's attached to being a fucking Buddhist or...
Did you see the Dalai Lama sucking on that kid's tires?
unidentified
Of course.
sam tallent
What the fuck?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Could you what?
sam tallent
Slurp in a boy tongue?
joe rogan
In front of a bunch of people.
sam tallent
Yeah.
A whole bunch of people.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
sam tallent
You thought you were going to get away with this?
unidentified
What the fuck?
What the fuck?
What the fuck is that?
joe rogan
I watched it.
I was like, this is wild.
I remember they tried to cancel him a few years back because he was talking about marriage and they said, you took a vow of celibacy.
Like, how do you feel about this?
And he's like, I have so many friends, and they're married, and then they get divorced, and they're not happy, and then the woman takes all their money, ha ha ha ha!
And this woman said something to the tune of, well, you know, some women, they make money too.
He's like, "Ah, good one." High five!
It was something!
sam tallent
Now I've heard everything, lady!
joe rogan
It was one of those fucking...
It was a weird interview, man.
unidentified
But it was weird.
joe rogan
He's parroting out these tropes about marriage and divorce.
And it's really funny because some of them fail.
But this is supposed to be a spiritual leader.
sam tallent
Right, he's supposed to be like...
Completely ascended and bigger than any thought.
joe rogan
He's supposed to be saying that some marriages are wonderful and beautiful.
Because they are.
For him to say, oh, what I heard is they take your money.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Well, it's like your dad's friend who doesn't get laid anymore.
You ever hang out with him at the bar?
joe rogan
Yeah, but your dad's friend who doesn't get laid anymore doesn't have a video of him sucking on a kid's tongue.
unidentified
He might.
joe rogan
Like, what the fuck, man?
sam tallent
It's probably a VHS tape.
unidentified
He's He's got on Laserdisc.
joe rogan
Did they record?
I don't think Laserdisc record.
sam tallent
I have no idea.
unidentified
I don't think they did.
sam tallent
That's hilarious.
The Dalai Lama also said at one point, he was like, we gotta keep Europe for Europeans.
unidentified
Yeah, that too.
sam tallent
He was like, too many refugees are coming in.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
sam tallent
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Like, what the fuck are you saying, man?
sam tallent
Hey, Dalai Lama.
Just let the kid sit on your lap.
That's enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, hey, dude, how about don't do that?
sam tallent
Quit smooching the kids in general.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't tell a kid to suck your tongue.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Especially not on camera.
joe rogan
That seems like there should be jail time for something like that.
What is that?
sam tallent
I don't think he can get in trouble.
joe rogan
Tibet sticking out one's tongue is known as a traditional greeting stemming from a 9th century myth about an unpopular king with a black tongue.
sam tallent
His tongue was doing blackface.
joe rogan
When the king died, the Tibetans revealed revealing their tongues to show they had to become his incarnate.
Whoa!
Tongue sucking does not to be a part of the tradition.
That's where you cross the line!
If they just stuck tongues at each other, bro, you would have skated scot-free.
sam tallent
The PR team is working hard spin on that one.
Hard spin.
joe rogan
Wait till Rachel Maddow gets a hold of it.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
She'll kind of win.
She'll find a way.
jamie vernon
It happened in February.
It came out like a week, a couple days ago, which is kind of weird.
sam tallent
So it's a hit campaign against the Llama?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like a few weeks old.
sam tallent
I saw him talk once.
joe rogan
Sometimes it just takes a while for something like that to catch.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
sam tallent
Yeah.
jamie vernon
But today...
joe rogan
I mean, if it was Don Lemon, I would say, yeah, they're trying to get rid of him.
But it was the Dalai Lama.
sam tallent
I don't think they can get him out.
jamie vernon
I have no idea why it would have came out.
joe rogan
How do you get out the Dalai Lama?
I don't even mean to pick on Don Lemon.
I mean, say it in someone who's on television.
But even then, if that information's available, look how many people were there.
That's obviously a cell phone footage, right?
unidentified
Is that what it is?
sam tallent
Well, it was a fundraiser for some kind of Indian tech company.
unidentified
How...
joe rogan
Wild.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
How wild?
Just be kissing a kid in front of everybody.
sam tallent
Which is already too much.
joe rogan
Tongue kissing.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Suck on my tongue.
What are you talking about?
sam tallent
I've never had a kid that close to my own face where I could say, suck on my tongue.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting?
It's interesting, like, what we choose to consider intimate contact.
Because hands, like if he had that boy's hand in his hand and he put his hand over it and said, I wish you a wonderful, happy life.
You're a beautiful human being and just go out there and be kind to everybody.
Everybody, that's cool.
sam tallent
Sweet gesture.
joe rogan
Yeah, sweet gesture.
When you fully hug someone, you can hug them for a couple seconds.
You gotta let go.
You can't stand there for 10 minutes just rubbing their back.
People go, hey, hey, hey, Dalai Lama, let the kid go.
sam tallent
Hey, hey, your robe is getting tented, Dalai.
joe rogan
You violated the time.
Yeah, you broke the time clock.
There's a time clock that goes when someone hugs.
If a real good friend, it's like you gotta get a 10-second countdown.
sam tallent
Let it linger.
joe rogan
10-second countdown.
10 seconds is a long time to be hugging someone.
unidentified
Oh, it's a lot.
joe rogan
Ready?
Here's 10 seconds.
And go.
sam tallent
So here we are.
We're touching chest to chest.
Our genitals are near each other.
I can smell your neck right now.
joe rogan
We're still hugging.
Alright, now we're done hugging.
That's kind of a hug.
But I've done that!
I've done a 10 second hug with a good friend.
sam tallent
Sure, it feels good.
joe rogan
But now with a little boy that I don't know in the middle of nowhere.
sam tallent
Also, how did that boy get in there?
joe rogan
Don't show me this.
I don't want to see this again.
I don't want to see this.
That boy snapped back like a cobra ready to fucking strike.
He's like, why are you making me suck your tongue, you old fucking weirdo?
sam tallent
It's like when the noodle hits your lips finally and it like snaps like the sound.
joe rogan
But what I'm getting at is like it's interesting that like kissing is such an intimate act.
Like it clearly is.
But I wonder how that even got started.
Like people's breath must have been hard.
sam tallent
Oh, terrible.
Rotting meat in there?
joe rogan
Oh, God.
No dentists.
Your teeth all fell out.
And they got knocked out.
You probably got infections from cracked teeth, from getting hit with a rock.
I bet a lot of people died from mouth infections and shit.
sam tallent
Well, yeah, you're trying to eat everything you find.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't even know what's edible.
And when did they start kissing?
sam tallent
I don't know.
joe rogan
Let's find that out.
Let's take a guess.
When do you think kissing was invented?
What if it was, like, 1900?
sam tallent
Yeah, whenever France became a country.
joe rogan
What if, like, nobody kissed until, like, the 1900s?
sam tallent
It was a revolution.
joe rogan
I'm gonna guess.
I'm gonna guess it's, like, some Mesopotamia shit.
sam tallent
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm gonna guess that it started, like, thousands of years ago.
sam tallent
Cradle of civilization.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
I'd say pre-pyramids.
unidentified
Pre?
Whoa.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Strong.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Strong guess.
sam tallent
What else did you have to do back then?
joe rogan
Make a toothbrush?
Why would you kiss somebody?
That seems crazy.
sam tallent
We're figuring out what holes are safe.
That's true.
joe rogan
But you could wash the body off, like eating pussy and blowjobs and stuff.
That kind of makes sense.
You just want to get crazy.
sam tallent
I think blowjobs happened before sex did.
I bet you went mouth first.
joe rogan
No.
sam tallent
There was a fur-covered hole down there.
You're going to try and jam up in that thing?
joe rogan
Watch chimps.
Chimps fuck each other.
sam tallent
They hardly ever blow each other.
I bet you have.
Oh, yeah.
I've been down that road.
joe rogan
So your guess is pre-dynastic Egypt.
sam tallent
Sure.
5,000, 6,000 years ago.
I just said pyramids, but yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's like 5,000 years ago.
sam tallent
Okay.
joe rogan
Supposedly.
They don't even really know.
What do you think?
Jamie, what's...
jamie vernon
I've got two answers.
I was trying to figure out which one was right.
joe rogan
But what was your question?
You didn't have one?
jamie vernon
No.
The first answer Google gives back is the first recorded kiss is 1500 BC, which sounds recent.
joe rogan
Interesting.
sam tallent
It's very recent.
jamie vernon
Right below that is a link to a longer piece that says, some researchers believe that kissing began millions of years ago as a result of mouth-to-mouth feeding.
sam tallent
Interesting.
jamie vernon
And that's going into like, well, why didn't everybody do it then?
sam tallent
Because you had to chew the food for the child?
joe rogan
Do you know that you can get syphilis from kissing people?
I didn't either.
I saw it on a TikTok video.
Must be true.
sam tallent
How dirty is that mouth?
joe rogan
It was Instagram reels.
That's what it was.
He was having this guy standing there and all these different girls were coming by and kissing him.
And he was pointing out all the different types of diseases that you can get from mouth kissing someone.
Herpes and syphilis and gonorrhea.
All these different things you can get from mouth kissing people.
sam tallent
I thought it was just herpes.
That was my biggest fear.
joe rogan
I thought so too.
sam tallent
Somehow I dodged that bullet.
joe rogan
This guy figured out a way to scare the fuck out of everybody and they're never gonna kiss again.
sam tallent
I'm gonna keep kissing.
I'm still smooching my old lady when I get home.
joe rogan
Well, you're married.
But if you're some wild dude at the bar, you might die.
Secondly, kissing can also transmit syphilis, which may present as an oral canker.
T-palladium can invade mucous membranes through abrasion.
Therefore, oral canker can result from kissing with a syphilis patient.
Therefore, kissing with a syphilis patient If you're that horny and you're in the fucking hospital with them, like, come on, just one kiss.
sam tallent
That deleted scene from Patch Adams.
He's smooching all the sailors when they get back from...
joe rogan
He's like, they don't have much time to live.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Try to make them feel better.
sam tallent
Yeah, they need this.
joe rogan
They give them some love.
Yeah, I mean, what the fuck?
You're on a deathbed.
sam tallent
I would smooch someone on the deathbed.
joe rogan
Easy.
Yeah, especially if you love them.
sam tallent
Yeah, you have to.
joe rogan
Don't worry about a little syphilis.
They cure that now.
sam tallent
Also, there's no way that I'm not dying before my wife.
So, you know.
joe rogan
Is your wife healthy?
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
What is that supposed to mean, Joe?
joe rogan
Not that healthy, Sam.
sam tallent
I'm okay.
joe rogan
I think you're a comedian.
sam tallent
I am a comedian.
joe rogan
You're a very funny guy.
sam tallent
Thank you.
joe rogan
Most funny guys are out of their fucking minds.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it presents itself in a bunch of different ways.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
So when you say something like that, it kind of opens the door for me to say, well, why would that be, Sam?
sam tallent
You think I'm in here wearing this 4XL sweatshirt in the Austin Heat because I'm confident about my body?
joe rogan
Well, I think it's just because you don't have a sweet Brody t-shirt.
sam tallent
I don't, dude.
joe rogan
Positive push.
sam tallent
Yeah.
I think if you saw me nude, you'd go, huh.
joe rogan
No.
I think I'd go, I've seen that before.
sam tallent
You think so?
unidentified
Sure.
sam tallent
I like to think I have a unique situation under here.
joe rogan
You don't.
sam tallent
No?
joe rogan
Nah.
sam tallent
What?
joe rogan
Nah.
sam tallent
I'm like Butterbean.
joe rogan
Average American at the beach.
sam tallent
Well.
joe rogan
It's normal.
sam tallent
I'm very good at the beach.
Water is not a problem for me, dude.
It's those damn sailing vessels that keep trying to harpoon me.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, my buddy Jimmy, his dad used to be able to go to the ocean, and he drank a lot of beer, and he would float.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Literally float.
sam tallent
Dude.
joe rogan
Like, this dude was living the life.
I was like, maybe it's worth it being fat just for that.
sam tallent
I'm so buoyant.
joe rogan
He would go there and just get out in the ocean and float, and I would sink like a fucking rock.
Kind of jealous.
sam tallent
Well, I'm glad to hear you're jealous of me, Joe.
joe rogan
You're kind of jealous that you could just float.
sam tallent
You know what's a fun move for me?
Laying on the sand and the waves crashing me and spinning me like a nude egg?
That's my favorite thing to do in the world, man.
joe rogan
That's nice.
Do you wear goggles or do you just take it raw?
sam tallent
I'll wear some goggles.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want that salt water in your eyes, right?
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
Does that shit bother you?
sam tallent
I go open eyes.
I'll go open eyes in a hot tub like a freak.
unidentified
Whoa.
sam tallent
Yeah, that's how you get syphilis.
joe rogan
That's how you get chlorine in your eyeballs.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
sam tallent
I'm okay with it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Chlorine can be good for you, right?
I have a chlorine pool.
We were talking with David Cho the other day, and he says he's got some new shit that does like, what is it to use?
jamie vernon
Oxygenated.
joe rogan
Oxygenated water.
jamie vernon
Which is like, okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, whatever works, right?
jamie vernon
There's already oxygen in there, but.
sam tallent
Yeah.
So you can breathe the water?
joe rogan
My pool guy said it's hard to do a saltwater one out here in Texas, though.
He said that there's something about the heat and humidity.
It's like you're going to be still dosing it up with chlorine.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that algae just grows.
sam tallent
A lot of my best moments are aquatic, honestly.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tallent
I excel.
On land, I'm not that great.
But you get me submerged.
joe rogan
You ever heard the aquatic ape theory?
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You into that?
sam tallent
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I think I'm proof.
sam tallent
I think I'm a vestigial tail.
joe rogan
There's a lot of interesting things that are attached to it, like the idea that babies come out so full of fat, whereas other babies of other primates are sinewy and muscular, and they can take care of themselves way quicker than we can.
sam tallent
Yeah, we're frail.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're super frail.
sam tallent
We're just soft little mushers.
joe rogan
We're super frail, but is that the price you pay for being so fucking smart?
sam tallent
I think you need to...
joe rogan
It has to balance out.
sam tallent
Yeah.
If we were just apex predators and also able to tie our shoes...
joe rogan
Right.
But that's why we associate, like, meatheads with being stupid.
sam tallent
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
sam tallent
Yeah.
That's no good.
It's tough when a meathead is also, like, very well-learned, because then there's just, like, a bunch of stuff to be jealous of, you know?
Like, the first time we met, I don't know if you remember this, we were in front of your beautiful comedy club, and it was Tim Dillon was there.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And we went to shake hands, and it was the first time I met you, and we shook like this.
joe rogan
What do we do?
sam tallent
My fingers.
Oh, your fingers curled up?
Yeah, and I was like, well, I just blew it.
joe rogan
I don't even remember it.
sam tallent
Oh, I do.
I've thought about it a lot, Joe.
Yeah, no, I was like, well, that's not how you shake hands as a human being.
joe rogan
Guess what?
We just did it again.
You want some of that?
sam tallent
It felt good.
What is that?
joe rogan
It's marijuana.
sam tallent
Oh, I'm good, man.
joe rogan
You scared of that shit?
sam tallent
I used to smoke it 24-7.
joe rogan
What happened?
sam tallent
I started having panic attacks.
unidentified
Oh.
sam tallent
Yeah, it started giving me, like, heart attack symptoms.
joe rogan
Those are fun.
sam tallent
No, I wrote it out too.
I tried for like three years after that shit started happening.
I would just be like getting high in a car and I'd feel like something fluttered in my chest and I'd be like, well, this is how I go down, waiting in line at Chick-fil-A. Maybe it was the Wings of Angels.
It could have been, yeah.
It was that LDS lady, that Mormon lady who loves snake oil so much she believes in Capricorns.
unidentified
In the arms of the angels.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
That's the flittering.
That's the flittering inside of you.
sam tallent
I mean, when I go down, I'm going to go down in a big old way.
joe rogan
You think so?
You're thinking about it.
sam tallent
Of course, all the time.
joe rogan
How often?
How old are you now?
sam tallent
35. You look good for 35. Come on.
Come on, Joe.
unidentified
What the fuck, man?
I see three.
joe rogan
What age are you pushing for?
sam tallent
I would like to hit 70. That'd be sick.
joe rogan
Oh, you could do that.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Well...
sam tallent
Because the meat's not marbled the way you think it is.
Like, yes, there is this topsoil of soft, doughy fat.
joe rogan
But underneath there is some bulk?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you do sports as a kid?
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you exercise at all now?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Were you all-state in what?
sam tallent
All-state football?
unidentified
No shit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
sam tallent
Yeah, me and Shane would have been a hell of an offensive line.
joe rogan
Why you and Shane get together and fucking snap each other into shape?
Shane's actually gotten into shape.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
He looks a lot better.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's starting to look bulky again.
Uh-huh.
sam tallent
He's obsessed with his biceps.
joe rogan
Shows the guns.
Shows the guns.
They're pretty big.
sam tallent
I know.
joe rogan
Big guy.
sam tallent
And there's this cage fighter in Arkansas that used to open for me, Chris Pierce.
And he made me buy weights during pandemic.
Because he just like body shamed me to the point of me being like, well, it's either this or a bullet and a gun, you know?
So I got in there and I've been like, you know, deadlifting and shit and everything with my legs.
It's the upper body that I fear because it's so weak.
joe rogan
Well, you can get into shape, buddy.
sam tallent
I'm trying.
I want to live.
joe rogan
Okay.
sam tallent
As I light a cigar at 1.30.
joe rogan
We can help you.
sam tallent
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
I know people in Denver.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of good gyms in Denver.
sam tallent
I know.
I live in Fort Collins now.
joe rogan
Oh, how far is that?
sam tallent
An hour.
joe rogan
Okay.
sam tallent
I'm also on the road all the time.
joe rogan
Right.
sam tallent
So it's really hard to be a human being when you're out there.
joe rogan
It's hard.
Yeah, the road is tricky.
You gotta treat it like work.
sam tallent
She's a fickle bitch, the road.
joe rogan
When you get into that hotel room, you want to take a nap, but you really can't.
You really gotta go to the gym.
sam tallent
Well, you want to nap after you whack.
joe rogan
That too.
sam tallent
You want to pull a pud, and then you want to nap, and then you want to eat something terrible.
joe rogan
If I know I need to nap, that's when I'll give you a little part of the rescue.
sam tallent
I gave it up.
joe rogan
Gave up beating off?
sam tallent
I gotta save it for my wife.
unidentified
Oh.
sam tallent
I gotta give her my essence.
joe rogan
I get it.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Trying to make a kid?
sam tallent
No.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
You just want a good volume.
sam tallent
Well, yeah, that's what I'm worried about is a heft of load.
I want it to be a bulky deposit.
joe rogan
Imagine if your self-esteem was connected to the size of your load.
sam tallent
When you're a lad, it is, dude.
joe rogan
I mean, but sort of.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not so crazy.
Like, if it's a big one, it's like, whoa.
But if it's like a regular one, it doesn't, like, bum you out.
sam tallent
No.
In fact, I'm excited when it's little.
joe rogan
Are you?
unidentified
Really?
sam tallent
Yeah, it's less of a mess.
joe rogan
Ah, there you go.
sam tallent
Because when you're in a hotel, you know where it goes.
joe rogan
That's right.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta shower off.
sam tallent
Immediately.
joe rogan
Immediately.
sam tallent
Yeah, you just glaze the ham and then you go hop in the shower.
joe rogan
Or just do a Gator roll in the sheets.
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
It's totally up to you.
sam tallent
Make it the Hyatt's problem.
Yeah, but then you have that sheet stuck to you and you look like the dumpling paper.
Well, not you, but my body, you know.
joe rogan
Just live in shame.
sam tallent
I do!
joe rogan
Just live in shame.
sam tallent
That's what we do.
joe rogan
Accept it.
sam tallent
If I was confident, I wouldn't be funny, you know?
That's the craziest part of this whole thing.
joe rogan
Well, it's definitely like a motivating factor, right?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's interesting, like, the different motivating factors that people get into when they get into comedy.
What year were you when you thought about doing it?
sam tallent
Dude, there's like a video of me as like a two or three year old sliding into the kitchen on my knees saying, I just flew in from Vegas and boy, my arm's tired.
It was like a preconceived, like there's no thought.
I'd have no memory of not wanting to be a comedian.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
What year were you, how old were you rather when you first tried it?
2005, I was 18. Wow.
joe rogan
That's a good time.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I started when I was 21 because I thought you had to wait until you were 21 to get into the bars.
sam tallent
To get into the bars.
joe rogan
Then I met a guy there who was 19. I was like, how'd you get in here?
And he's like, yeah, I just got to tell him that you're here to just do comedy and they make sure you don't drink.
sam tallent
They X your hands.
You stand, like, by the door.
Is that what it is?
I did all that shit, too, yeah.
The Squire Lounge, the Lion's Lair in Denver, when I was starting.
joe rogan
Dude, that's great.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a good time to start.
sam tallent
Dude, it was perfect.
And also, girls were involved now.
And all of a sudden, I was, like, you know, desirable.
joe rogan
Because you're funny.
sam tallent
Because you're funny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And then you're also, like, bright-eyed, and you just...
I have this, like...
All-consuming romance to my life, you know?
joe rogan
Well, there's a thing about someone who's obsessed with a goal.
It's very attractive to people because it's like secretly what everybody kind of wants to be.
Not everybody, but a lot of people want to be in some ways like really dedicated to some dream.
sam tallent
Yeah, it's admirable.
joe rogan
There's a great video that we put up on the Mothership Instagram site, and it's Bill Burr.
And Bill Burr is talking about...
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know that video?
sam tallent
Yeah, where he's sleeping on a couch.
joe rogan
Let's play it, because what he says is amazing.
And it speaks to every comic who got through that and made it, and every comic who's in the middle of it right now.
It's on mine, too.
You can find it online.
unidentified
You don't.
It always leads to something better.
Always.
joe rogan
Alright?
unidentified
Starving artist.
joe rogan
You don't hurt yourself going for a dream.
unidentified
Here it is.
You don't.
It always leads to something better.
Always.
Alright?
Starving artist.
I slept on a futon until I was 36. I don't fucking regret any of it.
I was dating this woman, and I said I had a spot I had to go do, and it paid $8 at the comic strip during the week.
Tuesday night, I went down there, and I came back.
I tried out a new bit, and afterwards, I was at home in my apartment, and I was doing this silly dance in the kitchen because I had a new bit, and I was psyched because I had gone through this period where I wasn't coming up with any new material.
And she was laughing, and then she got a sad look on her face, and I said, what's the matter?
And she said, I wish I had a job where I only got paid $8, yet I came home and I did a silly dance in the kitchen.
The responsible thing to do is to listen to your heart.
It wasn't hard to work at the shitty job because I was always thinking about the exciting job I was going to do afterwards.
And every night that I just went up on stage and if it just went moderately okay, I couldn't believe it.
I couldn't believe...
I have to be honest with you, like...
I couldn't fucking believe that I was actually doing it.
That I was actually...
I had a dream and I was making it happen.
And I still remember the first time I really went on stage and I actually got in the zone for what was considered a zone at the level comic I was.
And I only was in the zone for about eight seconds.
I was at Nick's Comedy Stop in Framingham on Route 9. It doesn't even exist anymore.
And I just got on this roll of laughter that I was actually able to pause and fucking be in the moment and enjoy it rather than be like, Oh my God, what's my next joke?
What's my next joke?
And...
That fucking feeling can carry you through a fucking shitty job for a week.
Freddie Stone.
Excitable boy.
That's what he went by.
I did a room for him and he gave me five dollars gas money.
I'd probably spent ten to get there and I couldn't fucking believe it.
And I was like, I did that and they gave me this.
I couldn't fucking believe it.
At what point, just listen to the sound of my voice as I'm talking about this.
Have you ever had that level of excitement?
Doing any other fucking job.
That's what it's like when you go after a dream job.
So...
Nothing.
Nothing is worse than not going after it.
joe rogan
Yee-haw.
sam tallent
Gets me fucking fired up, dude.
joe rogan
Yee-fucking-haw.
sam tallent
Yes.
I had no regrets.
I was eating out of dumpsters, I was sleeping on floors.
joe rogan
You ate out of dumpsters?
sam tallent
Hell yeah, dude.
joe rogan
What'd you get out of a dumpster?
sam tallent
You'd go to 7-Eleven, and you would get when they threw out the chicken wings and the pizza.
joe rogan
Did you time it?
sam tallent
Yeah, he knew the time.
joe rogan
As it hit the dumpster, you could get in there quick?
sam tallent
There was a window.
It was about a half hour to an hour when he knew it was going to hit the dumpster.
joe rogan
What's the best thing you ever got out of a dumpster?
sam tallent
Croissants.
unidentified
Damn.
sam tallent
And bagels in upstate New York.
joe rogan
Are they in the package still?
sam tallent
No.
They were on trash, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Oh, no's right.
But also, I didn't have a job.
joe rogan
What was the trash that they were on, though?
Are we talking cardboard boxes?
sam tallent
There were some boxes.
joe rogan
Or are we talking food and coffee grounds and shit?
sam tallent
Yeah, it was in all sorts.
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
But I didn't have to wake up at any time.
You know, it was a survival mechanism because I was attacking stand-up so hard.
unidentified
Wow.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Sleeping on the ground, taking greyhounds, all that shit.
Now you look back and you're like, that's romantic.
joe rogan
I remember the bus days.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did the bus to at least two gigs that I can remember.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, oh my god.
When you're on the bus, man, you're on just, like, who knows how many serial killers are with you?
Who knows how many fucked up people are on that bus?
sam tallent
I was the only white boy on a bus from Houston to Lafayette, Louisiana.
joe rogan
How was that?
sam tallent
It was awesome.
It was a mobile party, dude.
It was like a cameo video.
unidentified
Really?
sam tallent
Yeah, because I was sitting in the back, and then the bus loaded up, and people were passing around bottles of gin, and I had a weed hash pen.
So as soon as that gin bottle hit me, they all, like, looked at me, and I was like, And then I hit the weed pen and blew it out, and everyone was like, alright.
And then the pen circulated.
By the time I got off that bus, I was blackout drunk, but boy was I invited to a lot of barbecues.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's awesome.
sam tallent
It was awesome, man.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do church better.
They do buses better.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Black folks got a lot of stuff figured out.
sam tallent
Very admirable.
joe rogan
White people haven't figured out yet.
sam tallent
Yeah, we're so uptight, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, their church is definitely more fun.
unidentified
Yeah, they have gospel music.
joe rogan
There's no more fun in America than the black churches.
They dance and sing.
And that's why I'm sure you've seen that video of Biden at a black church.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And just standing there like not knowing.
Everybody's like having a great fucking time.
My favorite video from a black church ever is the I'm Not Gay No More.
sam tallent
Dude, slam dunk!
joe rogan
That guy deserves a goddamn Academy Award just for the entertainment value of that video.
sam tallent
And the acting, because he was clearly still gay.
He's delivered, bro!
unidentified
I'm not gay no more!
sam tallent
I am delivered!
joe rogan
I don't like men no more!
Look at him, he's dancing.
unidentified
Women!
Women, women, women!
I said women!
joe rogan
And my favorite part is when everybody dances with him.
And they do like one of the gayest things ever.
They surround him like a gangbang.
sam tallent
And he loves it.
joe rogan
There's like 30 guys around him.
sam tallent
Look at his complex bow tie.
joe rogan
That bow tie is outrageous for a straight man.
unidentified
I am deserving.
joe rogan
It's again?
No, I think it's on a loop.
sam tallent
Why are you lying in church?
That's the same way that a 12-year-old boy that is straight lies about getting pussy, where he's like, I've had pussy!
Women, women, women, women!
joe rogan
All kinds, bro!
Yeah, now they're all dancing together.
sam tallent
I think he came out recently and was like, that was a lie.
I'm still very gay.
jamie vernon
He's got a popular Instagram account.
joe rogan
Good for him.
Good for him.
Because that's what's fucked up about that, is that if you want to get accepted in that religion, they have a thing about gay people.
Like in a lot of religions.
Not just that one.
Not just Christianity.
Andrew Caldwell.
Mr. Delivered!
That's hilarious!
sam tallent
Delivered!
joe rogan
But that's the best way to say it.
I am delivered!
sam tallent
That's good branding.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
Now we helped him.
Give him a little boost.
It's just fuck that you can't be both religious and gay.
Like, come on.
sam tallent
Gay guys are super fun.
Black guys are super fun.
Gay black guys?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
sam tallent
There's no much fun.
joe rogan
They'll be the greatest church of all time.
sam tallent
Gay black church?
I think they call that the club.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
sam tallent
It's just a foam party.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, when we lived in Hollywood, right down the street from the comedy store was Boys Town.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And if you drove there on the way to the 405, it's five blocks of partying, man.
sam tallent
It's going off.
joe rogan
They're going off.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Randomly see dudes with, like, chaps on and cowboy hats with no shirt.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Just kissing on the street.
sam tallent
Wearing sunglasses at 3 a.m.
joe rogan
Yeah, I always joke around about it, but it's like five blocks of no one saying no.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Because it's all yang, no yin, and no one can get pregnant.
sam tallent
They suck my tongue.
It's a lot of that.
joe rogan
Okay, here's the suck my tongue thing.
Here's the problem with that video.
Here's the problem with that.
The whole Dalai Lama thing.
Because the tinfoil hat 4chan-style conspiracy theory is that there's elite pedophiles that run the world, right?
And I'm always reluctant to buy into that.
But then I watch a few documentaries, and I read a few cases, and then you hear about the Epstein Island thing, and then he gets out of it the first time.
sam tallent
Boys Town, the Franklin scandal.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of those.
And you go, how...
Like, does that still exist?
Like, is it happening right now?
sam tallent
Yeah.
Yes.
joe rogan
And someone's gonna uncover it.
The Catholic Church.
sam tallent
Uh-huh.
unidentified
How crazy is that?
sam tallent
The Dalai Lama.
joe rogan
The Dalai Lama.
sam tallent
I mean, who knows?
Who knows?
I don't want to smurge the Dalai Lama.
joe rogan
Maybe he just thinks it's fun.
It's funny and silly.
sam tallent
It was a bit he was doing?
joe rogan
Yeah, a little funny thing.
sam tallent
We've all bombed.
joe rogan
We've all had a boy suck our tongue.
sam tallent
If you thought it was going to get a laugh.
joe rogan
Yeah, if he thought it would kill, it's a good closer.
Yeah, just a freak.
It's shock jock stuff.
sam tallent
Yeah, exactly.
He's like Bubba the Love Sponge.
unidentified
Ha!
joe rogan
I like Bubba.
sam tallent
I got nothing against Bubba.
It's a hilarious name.
joe rogan
Bubba's a good guy.
Yeah.
Maybe it's...
sam tallent
I think that it's legit, man.
But is it chicken or the egg?
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
That's the thing that people always say about child molesters in particular, that someone did it to them.
Right.
Heard people, heard people.
Yeah, and that somehow or another they're paused in that stage of their emotional development where they got raped.
sam tallent
It's like when you hear an adult woman who still talks like a nine-year-old girl.
You're like, oh no.
What happened here?
joe rogan
Some girls do that just to play dumb with you.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a real piano.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
sam tallent
Boy, do I fall for that.
joe rogan
And then you hear them on the phone with their accountant.
sam tallent
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
sam tallent
So you have an accountant?
unidentified
This bitch can talk.
sam tallent
Why are you fucking me?
joe rogan
How come she can talk so well?
When she's around me, she plays dumb.
That'd be a great move for a girl.
Like, you know, go after some old billionaire.
sam tallent
And Nicole Smith?
joe rogan
Well, I don't think she played.
I think that was like a real clear transactional agreement.
sam tallent
Dude, she got me going as a young buck.
unidentified
She was hot as fuck.
sam tallent
Bro, there's so much woman.
joe rogan
So much woman.
sam tallent
So much woman.
joe rogan
That was a big old Texas woman.
sam tallent
Yes, big hair.
joe rogan
That was like a 160 pounder.
sam tallent
I'd bet 220 by the end.
joe rogan
Yeah, the end is not what I'm going on.
sam tallent
Oh, I'm going on the end.
joe rogan
I'm going on the thicker days.
sam tallent
Yeah, when I could actually get her.
unidentified
Ah!
sam tallent
Yeah, when I had a shot.
joe rogan
At the end, if you just had a bag of pills, she'd been yours.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah, you'd just shake her.
joe rogan
See, that's her in the early, early days.
sam tallent
Yeah, and look.
Yeah, she was lovely.
But I'm talking deathbed Anna Nicole Smith.
Ooh, boy.
joe rogan
That's her a little larger.
sam tallent
Yeah, she's punishing that guy's lap.
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
That guy's getting hurt.
sam tallent
Yeah, when your femurs are sore.
joe rogan
His thighs.
He's going to get nerve damage from that.
That's dangerous.
sam tallent
Goddamn, dude.
joe rogan
She was super hot when she was young.
sam tallent
I think top to bottom.
I see no faults in her.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, she's a fucking genetic specimen, and then there's a lot of, you know, surgery intervention.
Thank you, Jamie.
sam tallent
Thank you for bringing me back.
joe rogan
Isn't it fascinating that, like, big giant fake tits are so attractive to men, and it's so obvious?
It's like the most obvious trick of all time.
The most obvious trick.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, we know 100% of the time when they're fake, and no one cares.
sam tallent
Well, we also love Up Close Magic, and we know that's a ruse.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Up Close Magic is, like, way more deceptive.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, they're really good.
I had David...
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what is he doing?
David Blaine freaked me the fuck out, man, because he did...
Jamie's good at spotting this shit, too.
And Jamie sat there.
He goes, I'm just going to watch everything he does.
I'm going to keep my eyes on him, and I'm going to try to figure out what he's doing.
And he could not figure it out.
And the dude rolled his sleeves up, too, to show it.
It was wild shit.
He was doing some wild shit.
He was doing some sleight of hand that was like, he might know real witchcraft.
This might be like one of them comic book things where God makes a living being a magician, but he's actually a wizard.
Legitimately.
sam tallent
Gamel still had to pay the bills.
joe rogan
Didn't you feel like that?
He's a wizard.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not real.
He's not a real person.
jamie vernon
I also didn't want to know, because then it ruins it.
sam tallent
That does, dude, yeah.
joe rogan
But then he made me do things that was totally real.
Like when I stuck that metal rod through his skin, I'm like, I know what you're doing.
You just can deal with pain.
jamie vernon
Did you see what happened to him recently at his show in Vegas?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
Two accidents happened.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
sam tallent
With Blaine?
jamie vernon
Yeah, one, the first one was crazy, but then another one happened.
First one, you know the, uh, it's an illusion, if you go, there's like a spike, and then there's like bags or cups over one of the spikes, and you gotta like figure out.
joe rogan
Oh, and he hit the spike?
jamie vernon
He pulled someone from the crowd, and they picked the wrong one, and his hand went right through it.
joe rogan
Oh, no!
A guy in the audience did?
jamie vernon
Oh, it was a woman, but yeah.
unidentified
Oh, no!
joe rogan
A woman's hand?
jamie vernon
No, no.
Put his hand through it.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
And then another one, he jumped off of a very high thing into boxes and hit the ground and separated his shoulder and had to have doctors from the crowd come in and try to put it back in place in the middle of the show.
It took like an hour.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
jamie vernon
This sounds like a work, man.
It sort of seems that way because I've seen enough of his show.
joe rogan
I don't think so, man.
I think he's a fascinating guy.
Really fucking smart dude and really nice guy, too.
And he is obsessed with, like, first of all, the sleight of hand shit.
It's insane, right, Jamie?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
Like, tell me, like, when you were watching it, tell me you weren't, like, absolutely blown away.
jamie vernon
There's extra stuff going on that you can't even, you'd have to break it down for about an hour or two with someone who's really smart.
joe rogan
You'd have to, like, watch him on high-speed video and then slow it down to, like, a couple frames a second.
jamie vernon
Here's the jumping accident.
joe rogan
I don't want to watch this.
jamie vernon
But you can barely tell what happens.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, I can tell what happens?
That's fear factor.
Bro, that shit's ridiculous.
sam tallent
I'm glad he wore a lav mic for that.
jamie vernon
They edited together this video.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
He was in pain there.
joe rogan
So he's a skilled magician, and he's also willing to get hurt.
And he also is willing to stand on ice for three days.
sam tallent
What the fuck did he do?
Also, that's not magic, though.
joe rogan
No.
Well, neither was the standing on ice thing.
He did a lot of those weird things.
sam tallent
There's a magic to that, though.
That's like mind over matter.
It's like an ancient kind of magic from a time before language.
joe rogan
If it was real mind over matter, you could do it forever.
It's not mind over matter.
It's just will.
You just have to be able to tolerate extreme cold and just deal with it.
And you do breathing exercises to force your body heat to stay warmer.
sam tallent
But then there's also the contact of your skin versus the cold that'll eventually...
joe rogan
You get a thermal layer.
One of the things that happens when you put ice on something is it develops a thermal layer.
Your skin gets really red underneath it.
If you ever look at your arm when you pull the ice off, it's all red.
You know, when you get out of an ice bath, your skin's super red.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's what's going on.
You develop a thermal layer.
sam tallent
I look like a newborn baby after an ice bath.
I'm so pink.
joe rogan
I think the same thing probably applies to that.
I think after a while, the parts that are touching the ice, it doesn't bother you as much anymore.
Like, whether it's the bottom of your feet, you could get frosty.
sam tallent
Exactly.
joe rogan
Did he have anything under his feet?
jamie vernon
When he did the ice, he was clothed.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, well that makes more sense.
Probably have to be, so your body doesn't touch the ice.
sam tallent
Just encased.
joe rogan
Yeah, so basically...
sam tallent
He went full Encino man.
joe rogan
If you have, like, I don't know what he was wearing, right?
But you can wear some stuff that's remarkably warm, even if it gets wet, like merino wool.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can wear, like, a merino wool layer.
He could have, like, a thick layer.
Like, what is he wearing when he was in the ice?
sam tallent
He's shirtless right there.
joe rogan
Does he go out to take a leak?
jamie vernon
Three days.
sam tallent
No, that's the only way he warms up.
jamie vernon
Oh, he's buried alive.
Block of ice for two days.
joe rogan
So he's in a block of ice, shirtless for two days?
jamie vernon
Seems like he took it off because he has...
joe rogan
So he's like, man, it's hot as fuck in here.
sam tallent
We're sure that's not Drake?
joe rogan
He's a handsome fellow, isn't he?
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at his body, too.
sam tallent
Legendary pussy getter, this guy.
joe rogan
Look at David Blaine's body.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Quick look on that like that.
Jesus, you sexy bitch.
sam tallent
Yep.
joe rogan
Super, like I said, super nice guy too.
sam tallent
That's how I see myself in my head.
That's how I think I look up top.
joe rogan
By the way, he was doing magic tricks for everybody.
My daughter came over, he did it for her.
He was doing it for security guys.
He was doing it for everybody.
It was amazing.
It's really dope.
And no one figured out what the fuck he was doing.
sam tallent
No, but like Jamie said, you can't look into it.
joe rogan
Did he let you film him?
sam tallent
It ruins it.
jamie vernon
I felt bad.
He didn't say anything.
joe rogan
I don't think he knew that.
He bitched out.
That's what he just said.
I just heard I bitched out.
jamie vernon
If I got the video of him fucking from right behind, which he didn't approve.
joe rogan
That's true.
From behind is bullshit.
You can't.
But if you can...
Get it from the front and see the hands moving.
jamie vernon
Yeah, he was showing someone else the thing and I walked up behind him with my camera and I was like, ah, this feels...
sam tallent
Yeah, but couldn't he make the footage disappear?
joe rogan
He can make Jamie disappear.
sam tallent
Yeah, he could with that body.
joe rogan
Send Jamie to Epstein's Island.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
You'd love it down there, Jamie.
jamie vernon
There's something I found I saw.
There's a video recently about this Epstein Island thing.
I was trying to figure this out the show without showing what they showed.
I was trying to prove it.
If you go back on Google Maps, this pot right here, which used to be a tennis court...
Let me put it on the screen.
It looks like there were...
joe rogan
Dungeons?
jamie vernon
Digging of some kind of multiple small holes.
sam tallent
Little graves?
Tiny graves?
jamie vernon
Yeah, let me show you the...
joe rogan
What?!
jamie vernon
Let me show you the thing, the picture.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
First of all, why would you do that when you have the ocean right there?
It doesn't make any sense.
sam tallent
Also, one of those creeps doesn't want to eat the kid after he fucks it.
joe rogan
But if you drop someone a dead body in the ocean, I would think that would be a way better way of disposing a dead body.
sam tallent
Yeah, for sure.
And then you have chum.
joe rogan
Yeah, and no one's gonna notice it.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a tennis court.
jamie vernon
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
sam tallent
I like how there's directions.
jamie vernon
No, it's over time.
See, that's how it used to look.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
And that's how it kind of looks now.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
Whoa.
They put up this weird wall.
joe rogan
Right.
sam tallent
It's like a Mayan ball court.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find the picture I saw.
joe rogan
Is this some 4chan shit?
jamie vernon
A little bit, 100%.
unidentified
That's why I was...
That's why I was trying to find real proof.
joe rogan
A little bit, a little bit, 100%.
Jamie just went full QAnon.
sam tallent
That's where all the good stuff comes from.
joe rogan
Where we go one, we go all.
He went all in.
sam tallent
You're through the looking glass, Jamie.
jamie vernon
I feel like there's still stuff up with this that we're never going to find out.
joe rogan
I saw a dude recently with a jacket on, like a bomber jacket that said, where we go one, we go all.
sam tallent
No, dude.
unidentified
Yes.
sam tallent
You got to give up, man.
joe rogan
We went all in.
sam tallent
You guys lost.
joe rogan
I met some lady in Aspen.
And she was with her daughter.
She was probably in her early 60s.
And she comes up and she goes, I love you.
I'm like, oh, thank you.
That's so nice of you.
She goes, and Donald Trump's our real president.
I'm like, he's definitely not.
And her daughters, rather, were crying.
They were laughing so hard.
They're like, our mom's crazy.
I'm like, your mom's crazy.
So we call her QAnon mom all weekend?
Keep an eye out for QAnon mom around the town.
sam tallent
It's crazy.
Nice lady!
joe rogan
Very nice lady.
sam tallent
Sounds great.
joe rogan
Sweetheart of a lady.
sam tallent
That was the thought she had to communicate to you.
joe rogan
She just wanted to let me know I'm a patriot as well.
Like, oh no, what if I... I gotta look at some of them TikTok clips.
People are getting the wrong impression of me.
I fucking was a Bernie Sanders supporter.
sam tallent
I know!
joe rogan
These people are so silly.
sam tallent
Yeah, people love to fucking try and make people into what they aren't.
joe rogan
Oh my god, they try to force them into a narrative.
Well, for me, it's just because, first of all, it looks like I should be.
I'm a meathead.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I'm covered in tattoos, and I do cage fighting commentary.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I'm a dirty comedian.
sam tallent
There's no way you're progressive.
joe rogan
Offensive comedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you get just lumped in.
sam tallent
Yeah, I know, man.
joe rogan
But it's fun to be lumped in.
It's fun.
Because one thing that happens is people severely underestimate.
Your ability to have a conversation with them about things.
If they're cocky and shitty.
Some people just say things.
They don't even know what they're talking about.
They're just repeating a narrative.
And you say, actually, that's not true.
Here's why it's not true.
And then you see this look of panic.
When they realize that they're going on assumptions.
jamie vernon
So they went back on the land here, and this was in 2006, that's what it looked like.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
jamie vernon
Which is when, obviously, they were there and that stuff was going on still.
sam tallent
And those aren't just where baby turtle eggs were laid?
joe rogan
It doesn't appear that way.
It seems like it's pretty high up.
unidentified
I think that's where the tapes are, buddy.
joe rogan
I wouldn't say bodies.
I would say if you're going to bury bodies, you'd bury them in the ocean.
Or you'd burn them.
Yeah, you could do that.
You could burn them and take them out to the ocean.
When you have the best place to get rid of a body ever, why would you put the shittiest place to get rid of a body?
Sand.
sam tallent
Shallow grave.
joe rogan
Shallow grave in a very obvious place where people could photograph it with satellites when you're already some sort of intelligence operation.
Get the fuck out of here.
sam tallent
When you have Mossad behind you, you're going to do pauper's graves?
joe rogan
Yeah, and last, you're so cocky.
Like, fucking put him anywhere.
Who gives a fuck?
sam tallent
Who cares?
We're untouchable.
jamie vernon
This is one of the last things I remember hearing when he died, was that he had a big, giant cement truck shipped out to the island.
And everyone was like, what?
joe rogan
Three weeks before damning expose was released, paying for machine up front so it would arrive quicker.
As experts say, he could have literally covered up evidence.
Oh, Jesus.
sam tallent
That is bad branding.
Pedophile Island?
They should have fought for something different.
joe rogan
You know that island's still for sale.
sam tallent
Yeah, yeah.
You thinking about it?
joe rogan
We had discussions about purchasing it for a podcast island.
Doing the podcast in that big mosque.
What does he have?
sam tallent
That temple.
joe rogan
Yeah, that temple.
This is the thought.
The temple's beautiful on the outside.
It's like the colors of the Israeli flag.
sam tallent
He's soundproof in there already.
joe rogan
There's no way he's Mossad.
It's not like he has a fucking building the color of the Israeli flag.
I mean, that's like if you went to Kid Rock's house and hit a giant billiard hall covered in an American flag from the roof.
That makes sense.
This guy literally, this is how much he supports Israel.
He turned his fucking temple into an Israeli flag.
sam tallent
It's on the nose.
unidentified
It's so on the nose.
sam tallent
If you put that in a script, they'd be like...
joe rogan
Yeah, so on the nose.
We would have to hire a couple Jews for representation.
Because we want to make sure that this is appropriate.
sam tallent
Just have Ari live there.
joe rogan
Yes, Ari will run the island.
Ari needs a podcast studio, and he likes to be away from people.
So maybe that's actually a good spot for him.
sam tallent
You're doing him a favor.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
It's probably a good idea.
sam tallent
And it's a write-off.
joe rogan
But if you bought Pedophile Island...
You would have to destroy all the buildings, because I'm sure they're all bugged to hell.
sam tallent
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
With some high-tech shit that you're never going to be able to spot.
sam tallent
There's a camera in every toilet in there.
joe rogan
Which would be terrible for comedians who talk so much shit.
Try to be silly.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you got audio of that.
sam tallent
But then again, you also- Look, it's one thing if you're on the pedophile island, but if you riff and use the N-word, it's all over for you.
joe rogan
And here's the other thing.
With AI today, how would you even know what's real?
How the fuck would you even know?
Is this it?
jamie vernon
These guys snuck up there.
I don't know when.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at that place!
sam tallent
Yes.
joe rogan
Bro, that place is dope.
That looks almost Alex Gray style.
Look how beautiful it is.
sam tallent
It is.
jamie vernon
It's really just a facade, but we don't know what's underneath it.
sam tallent
Because that door's not real, right?
jamie vernon
That door's not real.
joe rogan
J.E. The door's painted.
jamie vernon
It could be JR. There's a window that you can see here.
joe rogan
Yes, JRE. Yeah.
jamie vernon
JRE. You can see there's a window there.
joe rogan
Okay, so inside...
sam tallent
What a shitty window.
joe rogan
Yeah, and so inside is that area where we'll set up the tables.
sam tallent
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Nice window.
joe rogan
And we're going to need Elon's help to get, like, solid satellite Wi-Fi out there.
jamie vernon
Nice view.
sam tallent
You could just project Tim Dillon's face on the side of it.
joe rogan
That's kind of small for a studio.
We might have to expand.
sam tallent
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Make some more windows.
sam tallent
It was built for kids.
unidentified
This is...
sam tallent
They didn't have adults in mind when they built that thing.
If you think that's small, you should see the cages.
joe rogan
Imagine if you go in there, it's a bouncy house.
sam tallent
It's a ball pit.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
sam tallent
I have to take my shoes off still?
joe rogan
Kids, you guys want to go to the ultimate bouncy house?
I'm talking on an island.
On a private island, just a bouncy house.
sam tallent
You want to go where Mr. Chuck E. Cheese lives?
joe rogan
You know, Alex Jones told me about that place.
It was a long time ago.
It was one of the things that...
Alex tells you stuff, and he'll say all these things that make sense, and then he'll tell you one where you go, wait a minute.
This was one of the wait-a-minutes.
unidentified
There's an island, they take them, they have underage girls, and they compromise them sexually.
joe rogan
He's like, what?
sam tallent
It's like he's here.
jamie vernon
These guys hung out there, apparently.
joe rogan
These guys hung out on the island?
jamie vernon
I mean, this is close to two years ago, same video.
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
They just kept going back.
jamie vernon
Snooping around, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I bet there's no one there.
Like, who the fuck wants to be the guy guarding Pedophile Island?
sam tallent
Who's the groundskeeper?
joe rogan
Probably nobody wants to go there.
I bet you can go there.
How come taggers haven't showed up yet?
You guys are really just depressing me with your lack of ambition.
sam tallent
Let's get some graffiti heads.
joe rogan
It's so easy to just tag downtown LA. Right.
Get out to Pedophile Island and leave your fucking mark.
sam tallent
You think a moving subway car is cool?
Get out there.
Tag up the temple.
joe rogan
Imagine if we put that out there in the world.
sam tallent
We just did.
joe rogan
And then cut to taggers and fucking speedboats with like giant sacks of spray paint are headed towards Pedophile Island.
sam tallent
It just says Burt Kreischer is fat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I know a guy who's a tagger in LA. He's an interesting guy, and he's really good at it.
He makes cool shit.
It's an art form.
It's illegal.
You shouldn't do it.
You're doing it to people's houses and shit and property.
Well, most of them don't do it to houses and property.
They do it to abandoned buildings, which is fine, and they do it to structures under the LA River, which, like, who the fuck is going down there?
sam tallent
Yeah, a lot of bridge pillars and shit.
joe rogan
The LA River's a weird thing, man.
sam tallent
It's barely a river.
joe rogan
You know what it really is?
It's an excuse to pollute the ocean.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's really what it is.
sam tallent
How so?
joe rogan
Because it runs, it's covered in cement.
It's just a big cement thing.
And it runs straight into the ocean.
So anytime it rains, all the shit from all the streets gets in that water.
All the shit.
And then that shit goes out into the ocean.
There was a guy that I used to take yoga with.
He was a yoga instructor from Australia.
In Australia, he surfed all the time.
And so when he came to America, that's one of the reasons why he wanted to teach out here on the coast or out there on the coast is that he could surf all the time.
And no one told him to not surf after the rain.
sam tallent
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Because apparently, when you surf after like heavy rain, like it's been raining right now, all the pollution from all the oil and all the cars and all the fucking Bottles and cans and everything.
sam tallent
Use needles.
joe rogan
It all just goes out that big, giant cement trough into the ocean.
sam tallent
Just a bunch of spec scripts in there.
joe rogan
See if you can find what it looks like, what the LA River looks like.
sam tallent
This is where the big concrete enclosure, where they have car races and all the Fast and the Furious movies?
joe rogan
Exactly.
A lot of times it's dry.
And people fish in it.
There's videos of guys fishing in it and catching the fish and eating them.
sam tallent
No, what's in there?
Carp?
Gar?
joe rogan
I don't know what's in there.
sam tallent
Probably carp.
joe rogan
Probably carp.
And maybe some other, like, bluegills or something like that.
Maybe.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know what's in there.
But this guy catches them and cooks them and eats them.
And it's really disturbing because, like, I know you're doing this for the gram, buddy.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You might die from this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who the fuck knows what's in that water?
sam tallent
Not me.
joe rogan
So this is the LA River.
Oh, God, dude.
sam tallent
It's really bad, man.
joe rogan
Look at this.
They're just pulling giant chunks of shit.
There's so much trash.
And so the LA River, when it runs into the ocean, this fucking dude was out there surfing.
And he said, dude, he goes, man, I got really, really sick.
Like, he goes, I just was really bedridden.
I felt terrible.
And then people told him, yeah, man, you can't.
He's like, oh, great.
It's after the rain.
Perfect.
No one's out here.
Great waves.
You know, kind of stormy.
But no, buddy, you got to stay the fuck out of there.
sam tallent
Oh, my God, dude.
joe rogan
It's really weird, man.
Crews rescue a man from the rain-swollen LA River.
Oh, the guy got trapped.
sam tallent
He was down there fishing.
joe rogan
I wonder what happened.
He probably fell in, man.
sam tallent
Probably drunk.
Every time I've fallen in a river, I've been drunk.
joe rogan
This is wild.
So is that the rescue guy?
Where's the dude?
Oh, Jesus.
So they've got to swing him over?
That is crazy.
Imagine rescuing this dipshit, going, hey, bro, what the fuck are you doing?
You're going to get me killed.
sam tallent
I was waiting for my Uber.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Oh, we hit the wall.
Hang on, bitch.
That guy's not even holding on to that guy.
Do they have him on a harness?
Oh, they do.
Okay, they have him on a harness.
Look, he's got him in full guard.
He's got his back mount.
The other guy better watch his neck.
Wow.
So the LA River is kind of fucked.
sam tallent
Kind of?
joe rogan
It's kind of not really a river.
I mean, it is a river, I guess.
I don't know what it was before they cemented it up, but that's what it looks like.
Look at that.
That's a car floating down the LA River.
And that goes straight into the ocean.
So all that runoff from all those streets and all those cities and all that pollution, I don't think there's a filter that stops it when it gets to the ocean.
sam tallent
There's not a filter big enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's not a filter big enough.
It's kind of crazy.
sam tallent
It's not kind of crazy.
joe rogan
There's a great song, L.A. River by Honey Honey.
sam tallent
Okay.
joe rogan
It's a friend's of mine from L.A. Yeah.
It's a great song, but it's about how fucked up one of the lines is, I thought I saw a body by the weeds.
sam tallent
That's where River Phoenix died.
unidentified
He died in front of the Viper Room, right?
joe rogan
So that's what it looks like with water and without water.
Show it again without water.
So when you go down there without water, people are hanging out down there.
sam tallent
You can skateboard, ride your bike.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of fucking sketchy people hanging out.
If you're deciding, what do you want to do today, man?
Let's go down the fucking LA River and start some shit.
I mean, you're dealing with the dregs of society.
This is not an iPhone to be found.
sam tallent
No, dude.
It's a lot of flip phones.
joe rogan
A lot of Androids.
sam tallent
Those old car phones that aren't plugged in.
joe rogan
A lot of burner 7-Eleven phones.
A lot of people just living out of their shopping cart.
A lot of crazy people, homeless people, wild people.
sam tallent
Have you seen the shopping carts that are turned into grills?
joe rogan
No, but that's a good move.
sam tallent
That's a really good move.
joe rogan
Solid move.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, shopping guards, you could steal them.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And if it's the right metal, yeah, makes sense.
sam tallent
You just turn it on inside, catch a fish, put it on there.
joe rogan
The fucked up place is San Francisco because they pay them.
They pay them to be homeless.
They give them money every month.
And guys move there to be homeless.
sam tallent
Yeah, it's a good come up for the outside people.
joe rogan
Do you see about that dude, the Cash App guy who got stabbed there?
sam tallent
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
There's a video, apparently, of him, like, trying to get help.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Collapsing, getting back up.
sam tallent
Begging for help?
joe rogan
Trying to get help.
I don't know exactly what it was.
I didn't want to watch it.
sam tallent
I don't want to watch a guy die.
No, that's not my thing.
Remember Faces of Death?
joe rogan
I do.
You know, I was just talking to the Protokta Parks guys today.
We were talking about this because I'd watched one too many accident videos for the day.
I was like, how many Accidents you guys seeing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because on Instagram in particular, I see so many car accidents.
unidentified
Oh, I hate it.
joe rogan
So many people getting hit when they're on a motorcycle.
So many people on motorcycles hitting cars and going flying into the air.
Like, I'm seeing so much of that.
So much more than I ever saw before.
sam tallent
You gotta get out of that algorithm, man.
joe rogan
Oh, it's too late for that.
sam tallent
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, my algorithm's chaos.
sam tallent
Mine's clean.
joe rogan
What is yours?
sam tallent
Mine's pretty good, man.
joe rogan
What do you got in there?
sam tallent
It's large, saggy breasts and then cooking videos.
joe rogan
I have a lot of cooking videos, but I also have a lot of car accidents.
sam tallent
Yeah, I don't have any car accidents.
joe rogan
I have a lot of people getting shot.
There's a lot of people getting attacked by animals.
There's a lot of animals attacking other animals.
sam tallent
What's going on over there, Joe?
That's what's catching your eye?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
sam tallent
Okay, well.
Mine's all like tours of the Amsterdam River and shit.
joe rogan
Today I spent quite a bit of time watching an eagle paralyze a hyena.
sam tallent
Wow.
joe rogan
He had landed on the hyena's back and he's pulling the hyena's spine apart.
sam tallent
No, I like that.
joe rogan
And the hyena has, his back legs aren't working, so he's trying to drag himself away from this eagle.
sam tallent
Like Lieutenant Dan.
joe rogan
Bouncing around.
He's actually incredibly strong.
He can actually, like, suspend his back legs and move with his front arms because hyenas are that strong.
But this eagle's eating his back.
It's wild to watch.
sam tallent
I couldn't escape an eagle.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, nature's so brutal.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever see the Mongolians when they have eagles on their arms and they chase them after wolves?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They let them go to kill wolves?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
sam tallent
Yeah, and they have those hoods for the eagles and the hawks.
That's a beautiful life.
Living on the Mongolian steppe, just eating horse milk all the time, hunting with a bird.
joe rogan
Back in the day.
sam tallent
I mean, currently.
joe rogan
I don't think those guys do it all the time.
sam tallent
I think they have competitions out there.
jamie vernon
There's another video I saw.
I was trying to find where this popped up too.
There's people that do like drive-by falconing.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So you throw him and he just jacks a bird.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Because they're not that much bigger than the birds they're jacking.
You know?
It's like if defensive linemen were running around, they're jacking and eating people.
You know what I'm saying?
sam tallent
If Warren Sapp got loose.
They just shove Warren Sapp out of a window.
Indomitian Sioux for sure has eaten someone.
joe rogan
Derek Wolf was in here the other day.
sam tallent
Oh yeah.
Former Bronco.
joe rogan
Former Viking.
sam tallent
Former Bronco.
joe rogan
Fucking go back in the lineage.
There's not a doubt in my mind that somewhere in his ancestry there was a bunch of people on a fucking boat waiting to cut people's heads off.
unidentified
100%.
sam tallent
He's a berserker.
joe rogan
100%.
Now imagine if guys like him were like that falcon.
Just running around jacking smaller things.
Not that much different.
A guy like him eating a guy like me is not that much different than a falcon taking out a crow.
Not that much different.
sam tallent
Not that different.
I think he would eat me first.
joe rogan
He'd eat whoever the fuck he wants to eat.
sam tallent
Whoever he wants at any time.
joe rogan
Would you stop him from eating you?
sam tallent
He'd be lucky if he ate you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
That'd be better than what he also could do to you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I used to have a joke about Brock Lesnar that I'm not worried Brock would rape me.
I'm worried he would use me as a condom to rape something way bigger.
I'm like, Brock, why are we going to the zoo?
unidentified
Shut the fuck up!
sam tallent
He's just rolling up to the panda cage with you in a bag.
joe rogan
He shoots the locks off.
There's a video of Brock Lesnar shooting prairie dogs with a.50 caliber rifle.
sam tallent
How much prairie dog existed after that?
joe rogan
Very little.
Very little.
And I was like, why would someone do that?
But then someone informed me of what prairie dogs do.
A lot of horses, they fall into their holes and snap their legs.
sam tallent
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a problem.
sam tallent
Nature sucks, man.
joe rogan
Nature sucks fat dicks.
sam tallent
It's no good.
joe rogan
It's so mean.
sam tallent
The more I find out about it, the more I want to know less.
joe rogan
Bro, it's so mean.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Dolphins?
Dolphins just fucking puffer fish and passing them around, getting high off of them?
joe rogan
Well, what I watched today is probably the most ruthless shit.
I was talking to a friend of mine today, the lady who gives me the IVs.
I get an IV twice a week, like a vitamin IV, NAD IV. And so we were watching...
We're talking about nature.
Did you ever see the hornets killing the bees, killing the honeybees?
sam tallent
Yeah.
Don't they vibrate around them?
joe rogan
No, no.
That's how the honeybees kill the hornets.
But most of the time, they don't do that.
The thing is, if the hornets can get into the hive, if there's a crack where they can get into the hive...
It's pretty much over.
They get in there and they kill everything.
And then they eat the babies.
So we were watching this today.
I was like, what kind of fucking bizarre life form are insects?
What kind of ruthless shit that's going on right outside of our eyes?
See, they got into this crack and they just killed the fuck out of everyone.
They killed 30 honeybees or 30 wasps.
Killed 30,000 honeybees.
So they went in there and they just cut all the heads off of 30,000 honeybees and then they got to the main hive and they ate all their babies.
And that's what they were there for.
They were there to eat the babies.
sam tallent
That was the job at hand.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you watch them do it.
I didn't know how much they could swallow.
Because I always felt like bees have a weird, like wasps even, have a weird mouth, right?
They have like these big pinchers, but I'm like, they don't have like a big opening.
But watch what they do when they get inside.
When they get inside and they start pulling the larva out of the honeycombs, Dude, they just swallow those fucking things.
They just pull them out like this here.
They pull them out and they just start slurping them.
Watch how easy he eats this whole thing.
I never would have thought they could swallow that much.
Look how quick it sucks down.
sam tallent
Just crushing a booger.
joe rogan
Just smashing it into little pieces and engulfing it.
Look at this.
sam tallent
One of those larvae is like the size of its carapace.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's eating the whole thing pretty fucking quickly.
And that is how they get nutrients for their babies.
sam tallent
Right.
joe rogan
So they go back and it helps their hive.
The whole thing is bad.
Beyond.
sam tallent
And that's just happening all the time.
joe rogan
All the time.
sam tallent
What other atrocities are going on out there?
joe rogan
Well, I think those wasps might be invasive.
I think there's a part of that that's going on where there's invasive wasps that are killing honeybees.
Let me see if that's true.
Because I know that's one of the things that they were really worried about when those murder hornets showed up.
Oh, yeah.
Or the murder hornets.
sam tallent
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
Yeah, that was a fun time.
joe rogan
What a great name.
unidentified
Yeah.
Murder hornets.
sam tallent
It's a great band.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Really good band.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially fucking rockin' murder hornets.
sam tallent
Just a thrash band?
joe rogan
I'd wear their t-shirt.
sam tallent
Oh yeah.
I'd wear a bandana that had their shit on it.
That's how you know you're into the band.
When you show up like Dog the Bounty Hunter.
joe rogan
I think some of them were invasive.
But obviously they know what the fuck they're doing.
They go in there and they murder everybody.
sam tallent
I mean that's the definition of invasive.
Eating someone's young after you crush them.
joe rogan
And eating 30, killing, just chopping the heads off 30,000 of them.
Invasive murder hornets are officially back in the U.S. Finally.
Entered the slaughter phase.
sam tallent
What is this, The Purge?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So those are the ones, man.
Did you know that hornets pollinate too?
sam tallent
Uh, they have to do something.
joe rogan
They all pollinate.
sam tallent
I figure they serve some purpose out there.
joe rogan
They just don't make honey, I don't think.
sam tallent
I know my grandmother lived in fear of that.
joe rogan
I take murder honey all day.
I want to get some murder hornet honey.
sam tallent
What about that honey they have in Mike?
joe rogan
The mad honey?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I have some, you want some?
sam tallent
Right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, we can do it.
sam tallent
What's it gonna do to us?
joe rogan
You're gonna freak out a little bit.
sam tallent
We have those shows this evening.
What are you worried about?
joe rogan
I know the guy who owns the club.
We're fine.
Where's the murder honey?
Mad honey?
It's up there somewhere.
jamie vernon
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Where did you get your hands on murder honey?
joe rogan
Mad honey.
It's mad honey.
It's from Nepal.
It's those guys that...
sam tallent
I've seen those videos.
joe rogan
This psychedelic honey.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Psychedelic's a strong word for what I experienced.
sam tallent
What'd you experience?
joe rogan
I didn't take much, so I just experienced like a light euphoria.
It was kind of interesting.
But apparently if you go too much, it's really rough.
sam tallent
I love euphoria.
Great show, great feeling.
joe rogan
I haven't watched it.
unidentified
Oh, you should.
joe rogan
But I do enjoy the feeling.
sam tallent
You should watch some snippets of it.
I'll send you some clips.
joe rogan
Isn't it like a bunch of kids banging each other?
sam tallent
Yeah, but they're of age legally.
unidentified
Oh, good.
sam tallent
Yeah.
It's not just fucking deleted scenes from Epstein's discs.
joe rogan
Is that it?
Let me see.
Yeah, that's it.
What the fuck?
sam tallent
It seems like it's broken up.
joe rogan
So do you think we shake it?
I never fucked with that.
Have you fucked with that?
sam tallent
No, dude.
unidentified
It melts people's brains.
joe rogan
Terrence McKenna swore off of it when he was talking to a guy in an open-air market, and the guy thought that they were back at his house in the living room, and he realized somewhere along the line of the conversation that the guy didn't know where he was.
Like, right now, in the moment, in an open-air market, he thought that he was in his apartment.
sam tallent
That sounds like a fun thing to do here on the podcast.
joe rogan
Come on, buddy.
sam tallent
Hey, man.
joe rogan
You're here.
sam tallent
Let's freak it out.
unidentified
You're in Texas.
sam tallent
I know.
They love Mad Honey here.
joe rogan
He got stopped at the TSA. Just a jar of that shit?
No, because they were making sure he wasn't traveling with this stuff after he did the podcast.
sam tallent
That's good.
Do we know the dosage on this, Jamie?
joe rogan
This is totally legal, by the way.
sam tallent
Good.
That was my biggest fear, was breaking the law.
joe rogan
Is Mad Honey legal?
Just take a little teaspoon.
Just get in there.
sam tallent
I will take a little teaspoon.
You go first.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you scared?
sam tallent
Yes!
joe rogan
That's more than I took the last time.
sam tallent
Oh good!
unidentified
Alright.
jamie vernon
Is it like honey?
joe rogan
It is honey.
Yeah, it definitely tastes delicious.
It tastes like...
sam tallent
Smells bizarre.
joe rogan
Don't take too much.
sam tallent
I won't.
joe rogan
I don't want you to die.
sam tallent
Thank you.
That's big of you.
joe rogan
Just like really get the spoon wet and then suck the spoon.
sam tallent
Alright, I'm like the Dalai Lama.
joe rogan
And then think about all the diseases you could be getting from me.
sam tallent
I don't fear those.
I think you've got a good ecosystem.
No, I'm not worried.
joe rogan
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
You like it, right?
Don't go in again.
Don't go for seconds.
sam tallent
I'm not going for seconds.
joe rogan
Don't fucking do it, Sam.
sam tallent
No.
unidentified
Jesus.
sam tallent
Well.
joe rogan
All right.
Let's see.
Is this legal?
Let's find out.
It's just honey.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a gag, ladies and gentlemen.
sam tallent
We're faking.
It tastes bizarre.
joe rogan
It's just honey, bitches.
sam tallent
Now my tongue is on fire.
joe rogan
Well, wait until it gets to your brain.
sam tallent
I can't wait.
This will be good.
Smoke on the water over here.
I'm going to go full Creedence Clearwater.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mad honey.
sam tallent
It tasted bizarre.
joe rogan
The label.
jamie vernon
It's legal to purchase in the United States according to this.
joe rogan
There we go.
It's legal.
Fully legal.
sam tallent
It helps in weight management.
joe rogan
By the way, when that guy came in here and gave it to me and said that he brought it in, that was a lie.
He lied.
He got it from someone who legally purchased it here in America and he brought it over to me.
Wink, wink.
sam tallent
Yeah, that's for sure what happened.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
sam tallent
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
sam tallent
No way was this important.
He's a good dude.
joe rogan
There's no way he would do that.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
Why the fuck would he do that?
sam tallent
The rules are there because they're good.
joe rogan
The rules are only there always because they're good.
sam tallent
They're always valid.
joe rogan
And Jesus loves you, and shave your beard if you're single.
sam tallent
That's right, yeah.
joe rogan
What other rules do we have?
sam tallent
If you're not married, you should wear something to cover your head.
joe rogan
Trans women are real women.
unidentified
and what else that honey got a hold of you quick that was going to be a little bit Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
joe rogan
What do you think of this Dylan Mulvaney thing?
It's fascinating.
sam tallent
I can't drink Bud Light anymore.
joe rogan
I'm drinking Bud Light more now.
sam tallent
No, I do, because it gets me so hard when I think about what they did.
I can barely get it in my mouth without coming.
Dude, transgender porn is some wild stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, Derek Poston's into that.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's his shit.
He's a connoisseur.
Yeah, a straight man is a connoisseur of trans porn.
He loves it.
sam tallent
I met Derek last night.
joe rogan
He's hilarious.
sam tallent
I did his open mic.
That was fun.
joe rogan
He's a fun dude.
sam tallent
He's very fun.
joe rogan
He's a fun dude.
Happy to have him out here.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
Very exciting.
joe rogan
We've got a great, great crop of...
Young, up-and-coming talent out here.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's really exciting.
sam tallent
I keep asking your security over there if I can handle their guns.
They don't think it's very funny.
I think it's a good bit, but no.
Yeah, dude, that club is quite the testament.
It's cool to see someone realize their dreams fully, because that place rules, dude.
joe rogan
I didn't even have that dream.
I didn't have a dream.
I just knew when I moved here that I had to replace the sense of community that we had in LA if we're going to have a real scene out here.
I'm living here.
I love it here.
I'm not moving.
So this is where I'm at.
So this is where I'm at.
What do I need?
There was some places that we were working out, like the Vulcan primarily, which is awesome.
And shout out to Nick, who owns it.
He's the shit.
That's a great place.
Still a great place.
I still do sets there.
I'll still hop back and forth, especially once everything gets fully running at the mothership.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I realized, like, we need it set up the right way for comedy.
Like, there's part of, like, there's the hang, and then there's also, like, the ease of getting onto the stage, and there's, like, the making is optimum for the audience, and then optimum for the performance.
And then making it so that young up-and-coming people have an easy way to get on stage.
sam tallent
Everything is thought out perfectly, man.
And also the fact that you have that open mic and all the door staff there are comedians, which is great.
And they're all very nice and eager.
joe rogan
And they're all funny.
sam tallent
I was talking to them last night.
They were fucking funny.
joe rogan
They all auditioned.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they got to see their act.
And so it's like you're in a part of like an apprenticeship program.
You're gonna be able to go on stage during the open mics, which are two nights a week.
There's Kill Tony.
There's times where the door guys can go up on showcase shows.
Those will run for hours and hours.
And, you know, fucking 10, 15 talented people.
You get a chance to see someone in the early days.
It's like seeing Louis C.K. in Boston in 1988. Yeah.
And they go, dude, I saw that guy when he was like a year into comedy.
And then, bam.
sam tallent
Yeah, you got that guy Keith.
You got Lucas.
joe rogan
There's a lot of good guys.
sam tallent
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of good women there.
A lot of good...
There's a couple non-Barners.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got at least one.
It's a diverse group!
We gave him his own Bud Light after the first week.
We put his face on a can.
sam tallent
Do you have any beer here?
joe rogan
Yeah, you want a beer?
sam tallent
I'd take a light beer.
joe rogan
Okay, let's get some Bud Lights.
Let's do this.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
In support of Bud Light and their time of stress.
sam tallent
Let's be allies by getting a little day drug.
joe rogan
We're gonna be allies.
You know, because Kid Rock and Travis Tritt have put the fucking hammer down.
sam tallent
I know, they're really fucking fighting the good fight, man.
joe rogan
Here's my take.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, what you're doing, what they're doing is just spreading the brand to an extra group of people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why, if something is good, do you give a fuck who's got it?
Like, would we do this with cheesecake?
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, if there was like a bomb-ass cheesecake, and all of a sudden, you know, some radical group, like Antifa, really got into the cheesecake, we'd be like, fuck this!
And if the, like, if the Cheesecake Factory sent Antifa a cheesecake, you know, for ten more years of chaos, you know?
A celebratory.
A celebratory.
sam tallent
If only ISIS had bear claw donuts, I'm still eating those fucking donuts.
joe rogan
But on the other hand, I love Kid Rock's video.
Because I love that.
Cheers.
sam tallent
Cheers, man.
joe rogan
I love that kind of thinking.
Not even that I agree with it.
I like wild people.
sam tallent
I like grays and hell, man.
joe rogan
I like a dude who takes a machine gun to a stack of Bud Lights and is like, fuck Anheuser-Busch.
sam tallent
This will show up.
joe rogan
But I mean, where's he going to go now?
Are you going to go to Coors?
Don't they all support LBGTQ plus AI, whatever the hell else they're attaching to issues?
They all do.
sam tallent
I mean, I'm from Colorado and Coors has had those rainbow cans forever.
joe rogan
Fucking Shane Gillis is heartbroken.
sam tallent
I was with him.
joe rogan
This is his favorite beer.
sam tallent
I was opening for him last weekend.
joe rogan
This is what sucks.
He drinks Bud Light every time he does Protect Our Parks.
Those things have fucking millions of views.
sam tallent
I know.
joe rogan
Where's his can of beer?
sam tallent
He said the exact same thing.
joe rogan
He's problematic.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
He's an issue, man.
joe rogan
He's an issue being one of the funniest fucking human beings alive on planet Earth.
sam tallent
And also generous and community-minded.
joe rogan
And a great guy.
But for whatever reason, they won't give him a Bud Light.
sam tallent
They should give him some lips.
joe rogan
If they were smart.
They would send Shane a Bud Light with his face on it, too.
Say, we love everybody.
sam tallent
Well, the can's not big enough to fit his face.
joe rogan
That's true.
sam tallent
It's a big round head.
joe rogan
You could put, like, half of his face.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like an artsy thing.
sam tallent
Right, yeah.
Then you have to put them all together.
joe rogan
Yeah, there you go.
sam tallent
Whoa.
joe rogan
Did you get a left side of the face or a right side?
sam tallent
Bud Light sponsors the moon.
joe rogan
So if you're two-fisting.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
No, man, I think that it's crazy when people get upset about that stuff because the people who get upset about that stuff value liberty and freedom so much, and they want to live their lives undeterred by anyone's rules.
joe rogan
But they think that the company that they like is giving in to the woke agenda.
That's what it is.
sam tallent
There is no woke agenda.
joe rogan
Well, they think there is in like movies and television and media and commercials.
And they're worried about it in universities.
They're worried about it in schools and high schools and grammar schools.
They're worried about it because there is some evidence that some people do try to indoctrinate children into views that maybe don't align with the parents' views.
Who's right and who's wrong?
That's up to interpretation, but the question is like, is it appropriate for someone to be giving their politics or their cultural values that may be opposite of the cultural values of the parents, is it appropriate for this person who spends probably more time during the day with your kid than you do to do that to your kids all day long?
sam tallent
What about religion though?
Because you're indoctrinating your kids before they have any say in that.
joe rogan
Maybe your kids are atheists and they go to school.
You're talking about public school.
You're going to have kids that are all sorts of religions in those public schools and all sorts of non-religions.
There's going to be a bunch of different flavors of atheism or agnostics or people who just aren't religious at all.
Those kids are going to school too.
And if they're getting indoctrinated and they don't want to be, that's the question.
It's not saying that it happens all the time.
There's just enough evidence of it where there's plenty of videos of people actually doing it.
Like Project Veritas got a bunch of them and there's You know, the libs of TikTok got a bunch of them.
It's like it's really a thing with some people that teach school, but not most of them.
Most of them are great people who are educators and what they're trying to do and what they get satisfaction out of if they're good is they try to educate kids and they want them to have a good experience.
So they look back and they remember, remember Mrs. Wilson's class?
She was fucking awesome.
There's this one teacher that I had in high school.
I wish I could remember her name, but everybody went to her.
Because she would talk to you friendly, and she was a sweetheart.
She was a sweet lady.
She was a really nice lady.
And she was really good at her job, but if you fucked up, and she was like, you're supposed to have it in.
Like, what happened?
Like, you felt bad.
You're like, I'll get it.
I'll fix it.
I'll finish it.
I'm sorry.
Like, you felt bad.
sam tallent
Sure, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you wanted to do well in that lady's class.
sam tallent
You let her down.
joe rogan
Yeah, because she was so sweet.
That's the best example.
The worst example...
It's some shitty, dumb person who gets a job teaching because a lot of people don't want to teach.
And then they find, because it's very low paying and it doesn't get a lot of reward and praise from people.
sam tallent
Also, parents are a nightmare.
joe rogan
Parents are a nightmare.
And then the shitty person is in front of your kids with their really dumb ideas.
And there's a lot of those people.
There's a lot of those people.
And they think, what we're going to do is we're going to indoctrinate their children.
We're going to turn our children against them.
And there are people like that out there in the world.
Doesn't mean that's all of them.
It's like there are bad cops out there in the world.
But most cops are great.
It's not like all cops are evil.
It's like the job is really fucking hard.
And most people do their best.
But some people fucking suck at it.
Like everything.
Like plumbers.
Like everything.
It's just that with cops, the consequences are so grave.
And with kids, it's kind of a fucked up situation.
Because if you're a parent and you're working all day and your kid's at school all day...
And they're getting indoctrinated into a set of ideas that don't align with your values or don't align with your sense of the world or what you believe reality to be.
sam tallent
What you want to teach in your home as well.
joe rogan
Yeah, what you want to teach in your home.
So it's very tricky.
It's like, what is school supposed to do?
Generally, it's supposed to educate children, but it's not necessarily supposed to...
sam tallent
I think it's supposed to indoctrinate as well, though.
I mean, it's supposed to put them in a situation where they understand regimented schedules.
joe rogan
Well, that's what it was originally invented for.
But if you ask someone what's the primary reason for education, it's to send these kids to school to teach them about life, teach them history, teach them how to do mathematics, teach them language, teach them art.
sam tallent
Fractions.
joe rogan
Fractions.
All kinds of stuff.
You're supposed to be preparing them for college.
Or high school.
And when you're doing this, but instead you're spending the entire class talking about different things that you think are wrong with the world or wrong with Donald Trump or wrong with trans people not being able to compete in the sport of their gender of choice.
Those kind of things are not...
What you're supposed to be teaching kids.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
These are opinion-based things.
And these are things that maybe someone, if they were debating you in that moment, that was also an adult, might make you look really foolish.
sam tallent
They would bust your ass.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Because the things you say are stupid.
But these fucking five-year-olds don't know they're stupid.
sam tallent
No, because kids are dumb as hell.
joe rogan
Because they don't know anything yet.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what people are worried about.
sam tallent
Yeah.
But I do remember good teachers.
You know?
Like, the good teachers are the ones.
I don't remember any bad teachers.
I had a teacher named Mrs. Storch.
Who got me a bunch of cool books.
joe rogan
This is not that good.
It's just not.
sam tallent
It'll do for now.
joe rogan
It's a thing, right?
It's like a cold thing that you drink.
sam tallent
Yeah, it's like when you don't want water.
joe rogan
You know what I used to get shit for?
Zevias.
sam tallent
Oh, Zevias.
Those sodas.
joe rogan
No, not Zimas, that's right.
I knew it was wrong.
Zevia I like.
I drink that stuff all the time.
sam tallent
I was allegedly conceived on Zimas.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the way to go.
Have your kid on a delicious, fruity, sort of bubbly, soda-like alcoholic beverage.
sam tallent
My mom and dad split a fucking 24-pack of Zima and made me in Glenwood Springs.
joe rogan
Wasn't too strong.
sam tallent
No.
Gave you a heartburn, though, dude.
unidentified
Did it?
sam tallent
You can't have like eight of them.
joe rogan
I've never had eight Zimas.
sam tallent
I have.
joe rogan
You've had eight?
sam tallent
Yeah, because they brought them back.
joe rogan
Zima's a thing with, I'm not really trying to get drunk.
If I'm trying to get drunk, I'm drinking whiskey.
sam tallent
If I'm drinking, I'm typically trying to get drunk.
joe rogan
Always?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't you just like to have a little buzz?
sam tallent
I'll have a little glass of wine here and there.
joe rogan
There you go.
Zima drinks returning to summer of 2018 for a limited time.
unidentified
Yep.
sam tallent
They try to bring it back.
They brought it back.
joe rogan
Bring it back.
Come on, Zima.
I'm on your side.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I liked it.
sam tallent
I like them a lot.
joe rogan
I don't get it.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't get it.
Fucking White Claws made it, but Zima's didn't?
sam tallent
These are all sugar, though.
joe rogan
But tell me.
Tell me how the fuck White Claws made it and Zima did it.
Is it a timing thing?
Is it like Betamax and the VHS tape?
The superior product doesn't make it?
sam tallent
Well, Zima had like 20 years head start on White Claw.
joe rogan
Bro, I used to get so much shit for ordering Zima.
They're like, what are you doing, bro?
sam tallent
Well, were you at the pool hall?
joe rogan
No!
I had the fucking improv.
On Melrose, people were making fun of me.
Comics were making fun of me for drinking Zima.
I'm like, I'm sorry, it's delicious.
sam tallent
It looks like a post-apocalyptic drink.
joe rogan
10 things you should know about Zima.
What do I need to know?
Is it bad for you?
sam tallent
What are the fun facts about Zima?
joe rogan
There's no fun facts.
sam tallent
The branding sucks.
joe rogan
Zima's like blockbuster videos.
No one thought it was going to go away.
sam tallent
Here we are, in a post-Zima world.
joe rogan
It's over.
It's weird, because it was delicious.
It didn't taste bad at all.
It's not a bad product.
sam tallent
It was kind of viscous, though.
unidentified
Mmm.
sam tallent
It had that kind of milky look to it when it was in the bottle for too long.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I thought it was like Sprite.
sam tallent
It started clear, but then if you had it on the shelf for a while...
joe rogan
How long did you leave your Zima on the shelf?
sam tallent
I think my dad had a couple Zimas in his office.
jamie vernon
Even those are a little milky.
sam tallent
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's just a CGI image.
sam tallent
Oh, you think that's computer generated?
joe rogan
That's the same bottle over and over again.
That's what it looks like.
It looks like fucking soda.
It's a bottled delicious clear malt soda.
sam tallent
I'd be more surprised if you had Zima in here than that you have Mad Honey.
That would blow my mind even more.
unidentified
I don't think you get it.
joe rogan
You probably have to get it on eBay from your dad.
sam tallent
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Your dad's got some cases.
sam tallent
My dad takes the helicopter in.
joe rogan
Your dad's got some cases.
But the thing about this Dylan Mulvaney thing, it's just someone who wants a lot of attention.
And you're giving that someone a lot of attention, and you're trying to reach another audience.
I saw and I was like, what the fuck is this?
My initial reaction is like, this is silly.
sam tallent
It was pretty transparent.
joe rogan
But it's also your Bud Light fan, your typical Bud Light fan is like NASCAR, fucking sports.
Like that's most of the people that are drinking Bud Light, guys like Shane.
You saw the Bud Light demographics of who's drinking Bud Light?
sam tallent
It's bigots.
unidentified
I saw this fucking...
sam tallent
Guys like Shane.
joe rogan
Shane.
He's choking Shane.
sam tallent
Yeah, Shane's my boy.
joe rogan
What the fuck was I going to say?
Jesus Christ, you threw me off.
sam tallent
Yeah, it wasn't the honey?
unidentified
No, no.
sam tallent
The honey's in there, though.
joe rogan
No, not yet.
sam tallent
There's a little current popping around in there.
It might be the cigar.
joe rogan
Probably cigar.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Can I have that lighter again?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
Thank you.
Fuck.
I lost it.
sam tallent
You were talking about, oh yeah, just how the target demographic of Bud Light.
joe rogan
But it's like a lot of companies are using this person.
There's more than one company.
There's like a bunch of them, like Nike and a bunch of other stuff.
sam tallent
Also, she's pretty.
I get it.
No, I mean, I see nothing wrong.
joe rogan
Good luck.
sam tallent
Hey, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's one of those things.
It's funny what people get super outraged about.
We're in the middle of...
Tulsi Gabbard posted up some stuff the other day about the Restrict Act.
Flip the top.
Here, I showed you before.
Pull the top back.
There you go.
sam tallent
Thank you.
joe rogan
Well, I did it before you before.
That's like one of those teach a man to fish things.
It's not going to be late.
sam tallent
No, I know.
I've got to get rid of that ash.
joe rogan
No one's freaking out about that, but they're freaking out about Bud Light.
How is that the big deal?
I think it's goofy.
Because I think that person's goofy.
But if you want to hire a goofy person, like, who gives a shit?
It's kind of hilarious when someone says, 365 days of womanhood.
sam tallent
It was also on April Fool's Day.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
But it also was just a can with that person's face on it.
That's all it was.
It wasn't like something they were selling.
sam tallent
Yeah, they didn't have it in stores.
joe rogan
No, but it's kind of funny.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like that people get mad.
I thought what Kid Rock did was funny.
I laughed at it.
I told them I thought it was funny.
But I also...
It doesn't make me mad.
sam tallent
Not at all.
joe rogan
It just makes me like, what?
sam tallent
Well, I think it's because we...
joe rogan
I get what they're doing, though.
They're trying to get people that are popular.
They're just looking for influencers to help them.
sam tallent
And they're trying to look more inclusive because of the assumptions people make about Bud Light drinkers.
joe rogan
But those assumptions...
sam tallent
And also, look at us.
We're on the biggest platform in the world discussing Bud Light for like 10 minutes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's probably good for the brand.
sam tallent
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Shane loves it.
I just...
sam tallent
I like Miller Lite more.
joe rogan
I like Sam Adams.
I like a dark beer.
sam tallent
I want a beer I can have like 17 of, man.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
sam tallent
Yeah, I want to be sipping beer all night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
That's my go-to.
joe rogan
Stanhope used to like to do that.
He used to like beer.
Yeah, he's sober as fuck.
Except for the edibles.
sam tallent
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
But no cigarettes for Stanhope either.
He looked good the other day.
I saw him.
I was like, dude, you looked younger.
sam tallent
I was hoping he'd still be here.
He's the man.
He fucking made my book happen, dude.
It was all him.
joe rogan
He did tell me about it, too.
He was the first person to tell me, and he gave me a copy of it.
I said, dude, you got to read this.
sam tallent
He gave it to Bert.
He gave it to everybody.
joe rogan
And then I started watching it.
So I saw that and I said, well, let me see if this guy's funny.
So I went and watched some of your clips.
I'm like, oh, all right, man.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
Started following you, and then finally met you.
And you got a chance to see the club before it ever got...
I mean, what stage was it in when you visited?
sam tallent
That was probably June of last year?
joe rogan
So there was no seats.
Was the cement even poured then?
sam tallent
No.
And there was still that fucking...
Do you remember?
joe rogan
The swastika?
sam tallent
The swastika.
joe rogan
Listen to this, folks.
You want to hear a fucking story?
So the club that I bought at one point in time, it's called the Ritz Theater.
The Ritz Theater was a theater from 1927. It's been a lot of things.
And at one point in time, it was a punk rock club.
It was a pool hall at one point in time.
It was a nudie movie theater back in the day.
Stevie Ray Vaughan played there.
You know that walkway when you get to the stage?
There's a big framed photo of Stevie Ray Vaughan?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That photo is Stevie Ray Vaughan on stage at the Ritz in 1983. Wow.
And so, a lot of punk rock bands played there.
The Butthole Surfers played there.
Misfits played there.
A lot of people played there.
unidentified
The Dicks, Black Flag.
joe rogan
And Swanball there.
Painted a swastika on the wall.
Now, here's where it gets stupid.
I saw it when we...
Because we had to take down a lot of stuff, and we knocked down the wallboard and shit that was covering things.
And then underneath all that on the brick, you see a swastika.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I was like, hey, we should probably take that fucking swastika down.
And everybody was laughing.
And so then no one took it down.
And I came back like two months later.
I'm like, hey, why is the fucking swastika still here?
So then it gets to like we're almost open.
It gets to like a month before we're open.
I'm like, take the fucking swastika.
Every time I come here, I'm like, how hard is it to just brush that down and knock that off the wall?
So you know what someone does?
They clean it.
So they clean it and they made it white.
This is what they did.
Because they clean it with this solvent to take out the black ink.
And instead they left a white swastika.
sam tallent
It's more pronounced.
joe rogan
And I was like, Jesus fucking Christ.
Do I have to spell this out?
That's still a swastika.
unidentified
Get rid of it.
sam tallent
I didn't say enhance the swastika.
joe rogan
It's way easier to see now.
sam tallent
Well, you were saying like, I think I'm going to call the club, the rooms, Fat Man and Little Boy.
But I'm a little worried people are going to be upset if they lost someone in World War II. And I was like, well, you know what else might piss some people off, Joe?
That fucking huge swastika up there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that should have already been gone.
The Fat Man and Little Boy thing is in reference...
The whole reason for it, the thing is UFO-themed.
And in the UFO lore, the UFOs come right after the detonation of Fat Man and Little Boy.
That's why it's named Fat Man and Little Boy, because I thought it would be...
Plus, one's big, one's small.
sam tallent
It makes sense.
joe rogan
It worked with the theme.
In UFO folklore, that's like what happened.
And it makes sense.
If you look at the recorded sightings, it's obviously, it's like the news before 1947. It's kind of sketchy anyway.
It's like, who knows what was reported.
But after 1947, there's a shitload of sightings.
A lot of, like, there's UFOs that flew over the White House.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they were filmed.
There's photographs of them.
There's the Roswell crash, which is in 1947. Been down there a couple times.
Have you been there?
sam tallent
My old man loves UFOs.
unidentified
Oh, really?
sam tallent
Yeah.
And my grandma's from northern New Mexico, so we've driven down to Roswell two or three times.
And it's just a tourist trap now.
joe rogan
I have two brilliant friends that have two completely opposite views.
sam tallent
What do they think?
joe rogan
One brilliant friend is convinced they're from another planet or another dimension.
sam tallent
This person is from another planet or the aliens?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The UFOs.
sam tallent
Okay.
joe rogan
That these things people are seeing.
He said if you just look at the size of the universe and if you look at all of the possibilities for life and how life could be advanced a thousand, a hundred thousand, a million years more than us, especially if they're in some sort of a stable environment where they're not in an asteroid belt or anything like that and they don't have Super volcanoes on their planet, whatever it is.
If they got to a certain level, for sure they'd be able to visit.
And if they did get to that level, they would be able to do things that we would think is magic.
And that they would be able to go into the ocean, they'd be able to fly off at insane rates of speed and use methods of propulsion that we can't even understand.
He thinks that's what it is.
He thinks that they are just observing and probably making sure that we don't knock ourselves back in the Stone Age.
sam tallent
So they're protectors?
joe rogan
No.
I think it's probably like an ecobiologist that goes into the jungle and examines species.
sam tallent
It's like a Darwinian thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, imagine if there was a type of sloth or something in the Amazon that was in danger of dying and there was a lot of funding behind it and they went there and they wanted to try to rescue the sloth and figure it out.
They do stuff like that, right?
So if we do stuff like that with limited resources and people have to donate money to these things, it's hard for them to get funded.
Imagine if you're some super advanced civilization from another galaxy and you recognize that one planet has come into nuclear power.
They now have nuclear capabilities.
This signal goes out through the universe.
Okay, these fucks are blowing themselves up.
sam tallent
These apes figured out.
joe rogan
Let's go visit.
Yeah, let's go visit.
And that's the UFO folklore.
That's when they all start showing up.
And that's when you get like the...
All the different crazy, like Betty and Barney Hill, the abduction stories, all that stuff.
sam tallent
All that stuff comes after 1947. The craziest story about them is they were interracial in like the 50s.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it was in Maine or something like that.
Yeah.
You know, I know one of their granddaughters, Angela Hill.
She's a fighter.
She fights in the UFC. No way.
sam tallent
Yeah, she's a top-ranked fighter in the UFC. Yeah, what's the name of that fighter from Denver?
Like the small lady fighter?
From Colorado?
joe rogan
Which one?
sam tallent
I don't know, dude.
She has, like, short hair and she whips ass.
joe rogan
There's quite a bit.
Denver's got a good crop of fighters.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Anyway.
She's very pretty as well.
unidentified
There's a lot of, uh, oh, oh, oh.
sam tallent
Do you mean, like, Rose or something?
joe rogan
Rose Namajunas.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's right.
sam tallent
Shout out Rose.
joe rogan
Rose is awesome.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wonder if she's fighting soon.
I think she is.
sam tallent
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think she's fighting soon.
sam tallent
I wrestled in high school, but I never fought.
joe rogan
Did you?
sam tallent
Yeah.
I had to.
My coaches made me wrestle.
joe rogan
Football coaches did?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, my wrestling coach tried to get me to play football.
But luckily, we did, when we wrestled, there was this kid named Bobby Baker who was 300 pounds.
And I was like, look at him and look at me.
I go, I'm not letting that guy chase me and run me over.
sam tallent
Oh, he's not chasing anybody.
joe rogan
But if I fucked up and I got too close, you know?
sam tallent
Get those big paws on you.
joe rogan
He's a bear.
He was so big.
He was so much bigger than everybody else.
I'm like, that's just not happening, man.
That's crazy.
sam tallent
Wrestling is brutal.
I would play football at 320, and then I had to cut to 275. Oh, my God.
Like, real quick, you know?
Because that's like the cutoff for heavyweights in Colorado.
joe rogan
How much time did you have to cut?
sam tallent
Fuck, like six weeks, two months.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
sam tallent
There's all egg whites and clementine oranges and like chewing tobacco.
It was terrible.
You had chew tobacco?
I pissed eight pounds one time.
I retained so much water that I urinated out eight pounds.
unidentified
Wow.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Because after you make weight, then you just eat like a whole baguette and a bunch of Pop-Tarts, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, smart.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Well, that's what you do after you finally make weight.
joe rogan
The fucked up thing about wrestling, too, is you have to make weight the day of the tournament.
sam tallent
I know, dude.
Yeah, wrestling sucks.
Also, heavyweight wrestling is bad because it's just whoever falls down first wins.
joe rogan
That's not always true.
sam tallent
That's the whole thing.
In my experience, if you went down, the guy laid on you, and you're just waiting for the bell.
It was brutal.
I was so bad on my feet.
But then if you're on the bottom, luckily, you can just grab their arm and try and roll with them.
That's all of heavyweight wrestling.
joe rogan
How long did you wrestle for?
sam tallent
Three years.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever think about doing jujitsu or something like that afterwards?
sam tallent
No, I don't have it in me.
unidentified
No?
sam tallent
I mean, I don't have, like, the bloodlust, you know?
joe rogan
No, it's not a bloodlust thing.
Most of the people I know that do jujitsu are nerds.
sam tallent
That's true.
Joe List.
joe rogan
Really smart guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bourdain wasn't really into it, you know?
It's like a lot of people that are very intelligent get into it.
sam tallent
I don't know if I have...
I love competition, and I have that jock in me still, but the whole one-on-one, man-on-man thing, I don't know if I would really, not even excel, but really enjoy it.
joe rogan
It's not as aggressive as you think it is, especially with a good school.
With a good school, it's really like you kind of flow.
And you do it in a sense where you're not like exploding on each other.
You're trying to learn the moves and execute the moves and the other person is trying to defend, execute their own moves.
It's like playing chess.
sam tallent
And the guy who's better doesn't want to break you in half because there's nothing in it for him.
joe rogan
When you're beginning, you're always – I shouldn't say always.
Most of the time you're better off going with someone who is much better because the people that are much better can take care of you.
They're not going to hurt you.
There's a lawsuit that really recently got...
This guy was a jiu-jitsu coach.
I think it's in California.
And he did like a forward roll with a guy to take his back.
And the guy's neck got caught in a bad situation and snapped his neck.
And he got nerve damage and paralysis.
And he just got awarded $46 million.
sam tallent
Holy shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not good.
sam tallent
That's such a bad precedent.
joe rogan
It does, but it's also a very unfortunate aspect of jujitsu that you occasionally are going to get a bad injury.
And I know of people in MMA class that got paralyzed, particularly when someone goes for a guillotine.
If someone shoots in for a double, sometimes guys will go for a guillotine, and if they catch the neck, and the guy who's shooting the double lands on his head...
sam tallent
Yeah, as they're falling?
joe rogan
Yeah, and it has happened before, and guys have been paralyzed doing that.
And I was reading this thing about judo dojos in Japan, and that deaths do happen, where guys get spiked on their head, they get thrown and slammed on their head.
Like, every year, someone dies.
Doing judo in Japan.
sam tallent
But that's probably like a revered way to go out in Japan, you know?
joe rogan
Probably.
sam tallent
I don't want to say honorable because that's hacky, but there is like a commitment to craft over there that is unlike anything we have here.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially in regards to martial arts.
That culture really rewards that commitment to craft.
sam tallent
Dude, sumo?
Oh my god.
I would.
I was in Japan at the beginning of the year, and I didn't get to see sumo.
joe rogan
The point is, though, it's like, it's dangerous.
Just like playing football is dangerous.
People die playing football.
sam tallent
Yeah, there's a risk.
joe rogan
And the thing is about that guy, they were trying to paint him that he was a total beginner.
But the reality was he had years of wrestling and he had at least, I believe it was at least two years of jiu-jitsu.
Two years of jiu-jitsu is not, I mean, it's a beginner in a sense, but it's not someone that doesn't know what they're doing, especially someone who's already done a couple of years of grappling.
I think it was just a freak accident.
When I saw it, it looked like a freak accident.
And the majority of the people that I talked to that were jiu-jitsu guys, they also thought it was a freak accident.
sam tallent
But $46 million?
joe rogan
I mean, who knows if that's going to stick in appeals.
I mean, obviously the guy needs to be compensated somehow or another, insurance or something.
sam tallent
Yeah, but he signed up for it, though.
joe rogan
I know, but I think most of those places have...
sam tallent
Isn't there a waiver?
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's probably, like, catastrophic injury insurance or something like that.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to that.
But yeah, you do sign up for it.
And, you know, I've definitely been hurt.
It happens.
I've had multiple surgeries from jiu-jitsu.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Both my knees had surgeries on because of jiu-jitsu.
My nose.
Well, my nose was fucked up for a long time, but like...
Had some real problems with my back and my neck, bulging discs and shit that I had to get treated with stem cells and PRP and stuff like that.
It's just, it's one of those things.
It's like you're signing up for a dangerous game.
sam tallent
I think sports are very important for youth and I loved being on a team.
I think being an offensive lineman made me a better host as a comedian because I was used to like never touching the ball and never getting the accolades.
I literally think those translated, like those two skills.
joe rogan
Oh, that's interesting.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, so you could be the guy who brings up the really good people that everybody's there to see.
sam tallent
Yeah, and also do a good job setting the table for the show.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
It made you, like, selfless in a way, you know?
joe rogan
It's also, like, hosting is a very interesting job, too, because one of the things that it does is it allows you to get comfortable on stage and comfortable, like, with transitions, and it gives you, like, reps.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's just different kind of reps, almost like cross-training a little bit.
sam tallent
It's the easiest way to get a lot of stage time early, because you're physically on stage, even if you are doing seven minutes up front.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
You have to do the gaps in between.
If you become a good host, that's your way to getting in at any club.
joe rogan
Were you at the Comedy Works in Denver?
sam tallent
Yeah, that's my home club.
joe rogan
That's the shit.
sam tallent
I'm a company man, dude.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's right.
I didn't see it.
Is it 40 years ago?
sam tallent
Yeah, 40 years.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
81. Wow, that's amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't even know when I first went there.
sam tallent
Dude, I got a story for you there.
Remember when you tried to move to Boulder for a while?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
So you came down and did, I think, New Talent Night on Tuesday.
You just closed their New Talent Night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
And a lot of us were on that show, just randomly.
So then, open for Joe Rogan, went in 13 people's bios the day after that show.
Because we happened to be on a show that you closed.
joe rogan
That's funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Happy to help.
sam tallent
Yeah.
No, it was good, man.
joe rogan
That was fun.
I wish I could have stayed.
sam tallent
Yeah.
That would have been wild if you set up what you did here in Boulder.
joe rogan
Well, I wouldn't have been able to do it back then because I didn't even have a podcast.
That was pre-podcast.
unidentified
It was pre-podcast?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
One of the reasons why I started the podcast is I was bummed out that I had to leave Colorado.
Had to come back to LA. My wife got pregnant.
And back then, if you are pregnant at high altitude, it's very rough.
It's like having the flu.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Altitude sickness.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And when we came back, also, she couldn't drive in snow, but that's another story.
But when we came back, it was like immediate difference in being at altitude versus like, where we were at was like 8,000 feet above sea level.
It was very high.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was awesome, though.
But it's, you know, like, I got a dog eaten by a mountain lion up there.
sam tallent
Right away?
joe rogan
It was rough.
Yeah, a little dog.
Left him in the yard.
sam tallent
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
It's sketchy.
You're dealing with like real wild shit up there.
You know, you see porcupines and foxes and occasionally you'll see something crazy like a mountain lion.
I saw one mountain lion in between the trees once and I was like, whoa.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
I could only see it like briefly like Bigfoot, like just moving through the trees.
But I saw this four-legged thing just moving through the trees and I was like, oh shit, I think that's a mountain lion.
sam tallent
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
And the neighbors all saw them.
They saw them all over the place.
sam tallent
They used to be around my middle school all the time.
We'd have to have indoor recess because there was mountain lions outside.
joe rogan
In one of the places near where I was staying, this guy left his door, like, either partially ajar or the bear figured out how to get into his car.
And maybe the bear opened the door.
The door was unlocked.
So the bear opened the door and ate his seats.
Ate his dashboard.
Ate everything.
sam tallent
Just summer bears.
joe rogan
They just smelled leather.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just assumed that it was an animal.
sam tallent
I don't like that a bear can open a car door.
That doesn't feel good.
joe rogan
Well, I think they're smart, man.
And if they've done it before...
That's the thing about bears when they attack.
They were discussing that to us when we move up there.
They said if they get your garbage, like, it's a real problem because they're never going to stop coming back.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Once the bears find...
Yeah.
Once they find it, they're like, you don't scare them off.
You scare them off for now.
sam tallent
That was like me at that 7-Eleven dumpster, man.
As soon as I found out, they had the hot and readies in there.
unidentified
I was like...
sam tallent
I was on all fours.
joe rogan
It's a funny story now to look back though, right?
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
I loved it, man.
joe rogan
That's one of the awesome things about, like, pulling it off.
sam tallent
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Dude, yeah, like, being here after doing it so hard for so long, like I did it, is, it feels cool when something pays off in comedy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
sam tallent
Because I did it, like, gnarly.
Like, Joey Coco Diaz, when he tells those stories, I'm like, oh, I did that as well.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Like, it's fucked, but it was great.
joe rogan
That's how everybody does it.
You do those triple runs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You do those weird gigs in the middle of nowhere.
sam tallent
Entertainment Max.
joe rogan
Everybody has those stories.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of the fun things about doing comedy.
sam tallent
It's the best, dude.
joe rogan
That's why those YouTube guys are fucked.
sam tallent
I know.
joe rogan
If you get famous on YouTube and then you start doing comedy as an open-miker, you're already famous.
Like, you already got your own crowds coming to see you.
sam tallent
But their crowds are dumb because they're into that kind of humor.
Like, comedy's so big now that it's boutique and you can find exactly what you think is funny.
joe rogan
That's true.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's true.
sam tallent
So if you want to be a YouTube Guys fan and go to see his shows, you don't care that he's not competent at comedy because you just want to get the fucking selfie with him after the show.
Have you seen the meet and greets for those YouTube Guys shows?
joe rogan
No.
sam tallent
So they'll do like 35 minutes and then they'll do a Q&A typically and then there's like a two and a half hour meet and greet afterward where people come on, buy the t-shirt, take the picture.
That's the whole show.
joe rogan
They want the gram.
sam tallent
They want the gram.
That's why people attend.
joe rogan
Oh.
sam tallent
And those YouTube guys are printing money.
unidentified
Wow.
sam tallent
Yeah, and then they get a guy like me hosting for him, and you fucking bury him.
But then you look out at the crowd and you're like, oh, you guys don't know what good comedy is.
You guys just want to see, you know, fucking Lefty Rezar coming up next.
joe rogan
They're just happy to see that Twitch guy.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's really good at playing video games.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Strange.
sam tallent
What a skill, dude.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing, but is it any weirder than, like, fucking news anchors?
No.
Weirder than anybody who becomes famous for no fucking reason?
sam tallent
In matters of taste, there is no debate, you know?
So if you're into that shit, go crazy.
I think it's good overall because now people who might not have gone to comedy clubs are getting into the comedy club system.
So they get that email and then they receive the, hey, you know, it's your birthday.
Bring 20 friends type shit.
And then it gets more people to get eyes on comedy, even if it is through like an ulterior way.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
What freaks people out, though, is when YouTube guys start doing weekends at a club they used to work at.
They go, hey, what the fuck?
sam tallent
We're all pissed.
joe rogan
It's not even really comedy.
sam tallent
I know.
And then I have to do a wrap date there, and it's like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
What's a wrap date?
sam tallent
It's like a Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, a wrap.
So you wrap around the weekend where the YouTubers are there.
sam tallent
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
But that's fun too, though.
sam tallent
I mean, it's fun to be in a comedy club.
joe rogan
It's fun for the crowd.
sam tallent
It's fun to go from, like, the warehouses that I was performing in to...
Because I came at it from, like, a punk rock, like, hardcore DIY thing where it's like, I'll perform anywhere.
And then you just live on the road.
And you would come home.
I'd be gone for, like, three weeks and come home with, like, $600.
My wife would be like, what is...
unidentified
What's...
sam tallent
Why?
And it's like, well, I'm getting good, you know?
joe rogan
One day, baby.
sam tallent
Yeah, one day.
joe rogan
I'll be on JRE. She's got to be happy now.
sam tallent
She's stoked.
I mean, when she met me, she knew what it was.
I was already on the road.
joe rogan
So you were already working.
sam tallent
Yeah, I mean, I've been on the road since like 2008, doing all those mountain show gigs, opening for people in like Gillette, Wyoming.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are those like?
sam tallent
Terrible.
Dog shit.
joe rogan
What's in Gillette, Wyoming?
sam tallent
Mingles.
Mingles is in Gillette, Wyoming.
joe rogan
Paint a picture for me.
sam tallent
You walk in, all right?
You've got a big disco ball.
You have a linoleum floor and a bar for some reason.
There's all those like terrible chairs that they brought in from a church, like the hard metal chairs that wrestlers would hit each other with.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
sam tallent
You walk in, there's seven TVs, you know, they turn off whatever the local high school football game is, and you have to perform.
You go up, you do 20 minutes, eat your ass for people who, you know, they don't know what comedy is.
They're not the most, like, they're not into creative comedy, you know?
They're like Vegas crowds, but they can't afford to go to Vegas, all right?
And then you see, like, the worst hack in the world...
Go on and kill after you.
And you're like, oh, what am I doing here?
And then the hack tries to fuck some old lady and you have to sleep in the bathtub because you're sharing a hotel room.
And you get a hundred bucks and you have to split gas.
That's those shows, dude.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sam tallent
Dude, one time I did a show up there with this guy who...
Not gonna say his name.
But after the show, the lady's like, you guys hungry?
And I was like, yes, I'm hungry.
And he's like, we're okay, we're okay.
And she's like, well, we got the best fucking chicken wings in the world up here.
And he's like, oh, we're good.
Hour goes by, we're drinking.
He's like, hey, what's up with those chicken wings?
And they're like, oh, we turned the fryer off like a half hour ago.
And the guy's like, ah, man, chicken wings sound good right now, don't they, Sam?
And I'm like, I guess, yeah, sure.
So he's like, what about those chicken wings?
And they're like, ah, we can't.
We have to get the chef back in here and get the fryer going again.
And he's like, yeah, we got time.
You guys want to do that?
So they're like, okay, right on, sir.
So they fucking get the fryer going again.
The guy who does the chicken wings comes back.
They're like, so how do you want your chicken wings done?
And he's like, I want them spicy.
And they're like, well, we got real spicy wings.
And he's like, that's good.
So we're there for another 45 minutes as the fryer wheel is heating up.
They finally put the wings in.
They come out.
They give him the wings.
He takes a bite.
He goes, oh, these are spicy.
And they're like, yeah, you said you want them spicy.
And he's like, I can't have these.
And he fucking left.
joe rogan
Wow.
sam tallent
And that guy was like the coolest guy in the world to me at this time.
That's the guy I aspired to be.
You know what I mean?
That's the dude.
That's the dude who brought me, gave me the shot.
That fucking ascended hand of God came down and touched me.
joe rogan
But isn't it also like an education to like that kind of comic?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't know about that kind of comic until you work with them on the road.
And you realize that's why we're in the middle of Wyoming doing this gig.
And this guy's been doing comedy for 15 years.
sam tallent
He's making $350 tonight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
And I dropped out of college to do this gig with him.
unidentified
Thank you.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
I mean, people don't think about that kind of comedy.
My fucking book is all about that guy.
Yeah.
People forget about the dudes who are out there fucking doing 12 nights in a row.
joe rogan
There's a lot of them.
sam tallent
There's a shitload.
A lot of them.
And they just are there to sell merch.
That's their whole thing.
They just run their sad flea market after the shows.
And people come up and their shirt says, like, I'm with stupid with an arrow pointing down to their dick.
And then it's like a link to a fucking, you know, Angelfire website on the back of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And then their whole thing is, like, trying to bang someone's daughter or, like, find the worst cocaine in South Dakota.
And they think they're fucking cool.
And then you have to share a room with these guys, and they'll be like, alright, in the bathtub with you.
I got a lady coming over.
They, like, throw you a pillow.
They're like, alright, I'll knock on the door when I'm done.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
sam tallent
Yeah, and I did that for, like, three years.
And I would call home and be like, mom and dad, I made it, you know?
joe rogan
Wow.
sam tallent
I'm living my dream right now.
joe rogan
I did a college where I had to stand on stage, and the stage was two lunch tables that they pushed together.
sam tallent
Middle of the day?
joe rogan
Yeah, middle of the day.
There's a speaker up there with you, and you're standing on these rickety lunch tables.
And these guys were calling me a fag, yelling out, and I started tearing them apart.
And when I started tearing them apart, then all of a sudden everybody starts laughing.
Yeah.
And they come up to the side of the stage and said, you're not allowed to swear.
I go, not allowed to swear?
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
And then I turned them against them.
I'm like, listen to this, folks.
How many of you are 18?
sam tallent
Of course.
joe rogan
They all start cheering.
I go, so you guys are old enough to go to war.
You're old enough to die for your country.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
But this fucking guy over here doesn't think I can swear in front of you.
Because you don't know, like, I don't want to tarnish your pristine little minds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm like, fuck this place.
Let's light this place on fire.
And everybody starts screaming and cheering.
And then the guy goes, fine.
We'll deal with the consequences later.
Do whatever you want.
I go, I was gonna do whatever I wanted anyway.
He just told me I could do whatever I want.
Like, did you not understand that I was already doing whatever I want?
Get the fuck out of here.
sam tallent
Don't give me clearance to do whatever the fuck I want.
joe rogan
But it all of a sudden became fun.
Because it became like, here's this 24-year-old visiting these 18-year-olds, talking shit with them.
sam tallent
And you're like an old man to them.
I was old as fuck, 24!
joe rogan
I was an old man.
I'm like, listen, none of these people know what the fuck is going on.
sam tallent
They're all trapped here.
joe rogan
They're in Olivet, Michigan.
Okay, there's no reason.
They don't want to be here.
This is a disaster.
The directions I got to get here.
So I started talking about the directions that I got.
They were so wrong.
They couldn't have been more wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like someone not knowing what the roads are and just writing things.
I had to get directions from someone else that was unrelated.
I had to make three or four different phone calls in the days of no cell phones.
So I had to pull over to gas stations, find a pay phone.
Where the fuck is your college?
And these are the people that were like teaching young people.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
Morons!
Molding young minds.
joe rogan
And when he had a conversation with me afterwards when he's writing me a check, he's like, I'm gonna talk to your agent about this.
I go, talk to my agent.
And here's another thing.
How about tell the fucking people they can't yell out obscenities?
sam tallent
Yeah, they can't slur me.
joe rogan
And I'm in the middle of doing comedy, and comedy happens.
Like, that's what you do.
Do you know that's my job?
When someone starts yelling shit at me, I go, what did you say, sir?
And then we're having fun.
Okay?
Do you understand?
That is what you paid me to do.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you don't police the crowd, if you didn't ask these children to be nice and be good audience members, then it's like a regular show.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's going to be a regular show anyway, stupid.
I'm a comedian.
sam tallent
Also, it's the middle of the day.
These kids are trying to study, and you just fucking sprung me on them.
Ambush comedy is a nightmare, dude.
joe rogan
And they were animals.
These were all football players.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
Oh, it was one of those?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
A lot of them, the whole football team was there, and they were animals.
But as soon as I turned on that guy, then we're having a party.
sam tallent
Right, then they get it.
joe rogan
They know you're cool.
Yeah, then it was fun.
Yeah, because you swore.
I was like your age.
I did this stage of life.
These fucking people, these are not the people you should be listening to.
sam tallent
Yeah, you turn into the guy who's yelling at you, you make him flinch, and they're like, yes!
He's one of ours.
unidentified
Hit him!
joe rogan
Fucking hit him!
sam tallent
You pants him and shove him over?
joe rogan
Yeah, shoot a Bud Light.
sam tallent
Shotgun it.
Dude, those college gigs.
I used to do a frat gig in Boulder up at CU where they would make all the pledges, wear a pink hat, and it was just my job to go in there and pretty much MKUltra them.
They would give me information on these kids and it was my job to roast them to the point of wanting to quit the fucking fraternity.
And it paid like, you know, $800, and I was like, yes, this is the greatest in the world.
So then you're just like, Chinese, wrong!
Look at this guy, clearly gay, you know?
And all the frat guys are in the back being like, yes, he's doing it, yes.
Has two moms, lesbian parents, you know?
unidentified
Like, how does he know this?
sam tallent
Clubfoot!
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Where are my AV brothers at?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Where's the AV room boys at?
Those are the original tech people.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Remember the AV room?
sam tallent
Mm-hmm.
They would not want you in there.
joe rogan
No.
No.
sam tallent
If you showed up, they'd say, please leave, sir.
joe rogan
Sir, this is not for you.
sam tallent
You're, like, younger than them, and they're calling you sir.
Did that honey get you a little bit?
joe rogan
It's doing something, probably.
We'll see.
We'll give it a little more time.
sam tallent
I thought I was going to freak out and take my shirt off.
joe rogan
I was a little worried about that.
But I felt like it's worth the gamble.
sam tallent
It was, dude.
It's very good.
joe rogan
If I fucked it up, we'll just do it again.
Another time.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
We'll just have a redo.
sam tallent
I like it.
joe rogan
Tonight's gonna be fun.
sam tallent
We'll have another time.
joe rogan
Very excited.
sam tallent
I'll be confused in there.
joe rogan
Krista's daffodil's coming tonight, too.
sam tallent
Sick, man.
Right on.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it'll be a good time.
sam tallent
I like Kristy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in town.
He's doing a gig tomorrow night at the Paramount, I think?
One of the big theaters up here, I think.
I think that's it.
sam tallent
That's where I first met Egott.
joe rogan
Adam Egan.
He's the fucking man.
sam tallent
He's the greatest.
joe rogan
Silly fucker.
sam tallent
We've become very good friends.
We text each other music like we're dating.
joe rogan
Oh, sweet.
sam tallent
Yeah.
What kind of music?
Like old hardcore and shit.
joe rogan
Oh, look at you guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe you're the one who put that swastika up on my wall.
sam tallent
I couldn't get up a ladder.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
You son of a bitch.
That's why you're so into that thing.
sam tallent
I love the swastika.
joe rogan
You're laughing because it was you.
sam tallent
Yeah, it was me the whole time, Joe.
joe rogan
It was so ridiculous looking at it.
I was like, why is it still here?
Like, I understand that nobody here made it, but you gotta just fucking get rid of that.
sam tallent
That should have been the first thing.
You know about the Eiffel Tower during the German occupation?
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
They'd put a fucking swat on the top of the Eiffel Tower, like a big flag.
unidentified
Really?
sam tallent
And every day, Frenchmen would climb the tower and they'd get shot down or fall off until one of them got that fucking swastika off the tower.
Yeah.
Yeah, they resisted pretty hard.
But think about how majestic that swa must have looked flapping up there.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's sort of like that thing that they did with Shia LaBeouf when he had that website.
sam tallent
Oh yeah, and 4chan got to the bottom of it.
joe rogan
He would not divide us.
sam tallent
Yeah.
And then they used like flight patterns and shit.
joe rogan
It was the most brilliant thing that anyone's ever done on the internet.
sam tallent
To weaponize autism.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
And then, do you know that Radiolab took the podcast down where they were describing it?
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
They had a whole podcast.
sam tallent
I heard that podcast.
Why'd they take it down?
joe rogan
Because they were saying that 4chan is associated with racism and homophobia and all sorts of other things.
And it's just like to elevate that website and to talk about that.
And so they decided to delete it.
But I had already listened to it by the time they deleted it.
Is it back up?
unidentified
No, no.
jamie vernon
You can find it.
I've just found it.
joe rogan
Okay, so here's what the Radiolab has decided to take down this episode.
Some listeners called us out.
Called us out is a...
That's so fucking woke speak.
They called us out, saying that in telling the Capture the Flag story in the way that we did, we essentially condoned some pretty despicable ideology and behavior.
No, you're not.
You're just talking about a thing that happened.
sam tallent
Yeah, you're just giving information.
joe rogan
Yeah.
To all the listeners who felt that way and to everyone else, please know that we hear you and that we take these criticisms to heart.
I feel awful that the things we said could be interpreted that way.
That's on us.
It was certainly not our intention and we apologize.
sam tallent
Dude, that's fucking lame.
That's pussy shit right there.
joe rogan
It doesn't make sense because if you listen to what it was, it was like they just thought that Shia LaBeouf, how do you say it?
LaBeouf?
sam tallent
LaBeouf, I think.
joe rogan
They just thought he was being ridiculous.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
They thought he was being self-aggrandizing and just a silly actor fuck.
sam tallent
Very pretentious.
joe rogan
Very pretentious.
And they were like, let's find that fucking flat.
sam tallent
Let's get his ass.
joe rogan
I loved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I loved it.
I thought it was hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's no one...
Connected to that.
When you're reading that or seeing that and listening to that, you just have internet wizards figured out a way to get to a spot where something annoying was on the internet.
sam tallent
Where a dork was flexing.
joe rogan
And they won.
sam tallent
That's the wasp getting into the honeybees, dude.
They ate his larva.
joe rogan
They ate his larva.
And then the guy goes up to the camera and goes, fuck Shia LaBeouf.
Is that still available?
Can we hear that?
See if you can find that.
Because that shit's amazing.
I remember listening to that radio lab and going, that's so clever.
Those guys figured that out.
And how did that get connected to ideology?
Just because some of it exists on an internet-free website like 4chan, where basically anything goes?
sam tallent
It's moderated free speech.
joe rogan
Yes.
sam tallent
That's what happens sometimes.
joe rogan
That doesn't mean that the people who did that are in lockstep with any ideology.
sam tallent
No, they're not Nazis because they figured out where Shia LaBeouf's art installation was.
joe rogan
No one knows, like, I mean, haven't you heard an argument, I mean, maybe there have been ones, about the people that actually did it?
It's all just like that website is bad, so don't say that.
Don't talk about this awesome thing that happened.
sam tallent
That's so condescending.
It's so paternalistic to be like, we can't give you this information because it might make you frown.
It's like fucking A, dude.
joe rogan
Kids are being used to being treated that way.
That's why they're demanding it.
Like, you should be able to listen to an actual Nazi talk because it's educational.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you get to see this, like, slippery logic they use and apply it to human beings and how disgusting it is.
And how it's always been like that throughout history.
People have othered people for whatever reason.
And usually it's because it makes it easier to subjugate them, easier to dominate them.
sam tallent
Dude, Hitler was no good, but he could move a crowd.
joe rogan
God damn, could he fucking give a speech?
sam tallent
That guy killed that wily Austrian.
joe rogan
We watched a speech of his versus, who was it that we opposed it to?
Put it opposite of.
sam tallent
Bernie Mac.
I'm not scared of you, motherfucker.
Satin versus Hitler.
joe rogan
That was amazing.
That was like one of the best opening lines ever.
sam tallent
Have you seen Corey Holcomb at Shaq's benefit, dude?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
sam tallent
Send you a clip.
joe rogan
What do you got, James?
jamie vernon
I was hoping this was the fuck Shia LaBeouf part, but it's not.
joe rogan
Is this where they figured it out?
This is the actual flag.
So this is the unedited video.
The fact that they figured this out is just amazing.
sam tallent
4chan rules.
joe rogan
That's just amazing.
Location found.
That's just amazing.
sam tallent
Fuck Shia LaBeouf.
jamie vernon
It shows all of the posts that they made.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Oh, man.
jamie vernon
They may put some music behind this.
I can't.
joe rogan
So are those the guys that did it?
jamie vernon
I honestly don't know.
joe rogan
4chan is using flight plans.
Go back to that.
4chan is using flight plans to locate that he will not divide us flag.
Godspeed, lads.
sam tallent
This is what happens when you don't get any pussy for long enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, you're fucking with nerds.
Yeah, it's a bad move.
These guys are dangerous.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
And they're having a good time.
And they won.
sam tallent
They got his ass.
joe rogan
They won, so it was all worth it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know what that must have felt like?
When they got that flag, it must have been like when Israel Adesanya knocked out Alex Pereira.
sam tallent
Right on the button.
joe rogan
You know, it's like this thing that you, like, how did we do it?
jamie vernon
That's when they got the flag.
They put the...
joe rogan
436 a.m.
That's dedication.
They're discipline.
They're up at 436 a.m.
Capturing flags.
sam tallent
That's also organic anarchy.
That's people working together with like-minded ideals, you know?
joe rogan
I'm a fan.
sam tallent
Yeah, hell yeah.
joe rogan
I'm a fan of that kind of work.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
How did they take that episode down?
The episode was really well done, too.
It's unfortunate.
Because it doesn't condone anything.
That's not true.
And this whole, they called us out.
Like, no, they didn't.
They complained about something.
Your work should stand for itself.
And I thought it did.
It's silly.
sam tallent
Also, you can't live in this bubble where you don't know about ulterior modes of thought.
If you just found out about 4chan from that Radiolet episode, that's on you for not being engaged in the cultural conversation.
That's bullshit.
joe rogan
That's one of the fears that people have about Twitter.
When Elon took over, the fears they have about Twitter is it basically becomes 4chan on wheels.
sam tallent
4chan with advertising.
joe rogan
It's 4chan owned by the biggest billionaire troll that's ever existed.
I mean, Elon trolls people.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
The only difference is there's girls on Twitter.
There's none on 4chan.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's probably no girls on 4chan.
Well, there are those incels that decide to go trans.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
There's like a word for that now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's like a word for incels that specifically decide to go trans.
sam tallent
Yeah, they got like Hypnode or whatever.
joe rogan
What are they called?
Jamie, do you know?
How you doing over there with that honey?
sam tallent
I'm loving it, dude.
I'm coming alive.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It seems to be affecting you.
sam tallent
I'm having a nice time.
joe rogan
It seems to be different than it's affecting me.
I'm wondering why.
sam tallent
I don't know, dude.
Maybe because I'm a big fat guy and you're cut from marble?
Maybe we have different metabolisms?
joe rogan
I'm wondering, like, what is it about the honey that, like...
Because the other guy that took...
Well, he took more than me.
Transmaxing.
sam tallent
I'm giggling.
joe rogan
This is a subculture of young men who embrace trans identities.
Not because they believe they were born with the wrong body, but because...
They can't get no buzzer.
sam tallent
Dude, did you hear about the dude who ran the Discord cult?
Where he would like, if you want to get in and be able to see photos of ladies like this, you have to send me a photo of yourself dressed up like a lady like this.
That was like a way to prove that you were cool.
And then he was blackmailing all these dudes being like, look, he's trans.
We got his ass.
And like threatening to send these pictures to their family.
And then they would have to send Bitcoin and shit to this guy.
joe rogan
The problem with not being funny.
unidentified
Right.
Because a photo of me in a dress is worth zero dollars to me.
I know, dude.
joe rogan
Like, okay, I put a dress on.
unidentified
Big deal.
sam tallent
Look at my lipstick.
I look great.
joe rogan
I'll put some fake eyelashes on, bitch.
sam tallent
I look like Rosie O'Donnell over here.
joe rogan
If someone got a photo of me, like, wearing high heels, walking around in girls' underwear, I'd be like, yeah, I did that.
Thought it was funny.
sam tallent
We're bulletproof in that way.
joe rogan
In that way?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
But man, if you're a banker, and there's pictures of you in a dress, you're fucked, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're in fucking deep shit.
sam tallent
Yeah, if you work at, like, a college.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're in deep shit.
sam tallent
Then they're mad at you for appropriating culture.
joe rogan
That's one great thing about working for the UFC. If they caught you, like, wearing a dress somewhere, no one would give a shit.
sam tallent
Yeah, they'd probably, like, blow it up and put it in the locker room.
joe rogan
They'd be like, see, we're inclusive.
sam tallent
Exactly, yeah.
We're making friends all over.
joe rogan
Let's go!
sam tallent
You win full tycoon over there.
joe rogan
Let's go!
Yeah, when you lean backwards, you're a tycoon.
sam tallent
Where's that fucking lighter, dude?
I can't keep this thing lit.
joe rogan
I should have another one, but Ari stole it.
sam tallent
I keep blowing smoke.
joe rogan
I used to have two here.
But Ari should feel- I think I told him he could have it, though.
Did I tell him he could have it?
We were a little lit by that time.
So how many days are you in town for, Mr. Talent?
sam tallent
I leave on Thursday, man.
joe rogan
Nice.
sam tallent
I'm doing your lovely comedy club tomorrow.
joe rogan
I'm in the little boy.
sam tallent
The fat man's in the little boy.
joe rogan
Yeah, the little room is awesome.
It's such an intimate little room.
It's such a cool little room.
That's where Chappelle did his...
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
He did the first night there, the first show.
I think I was there that night.
Shane Gillis and Chappelle was the first show ever in that room, which is what an amazing show.
sam tallent
I know.
I was here for South By and Chappelle was going on and I had to run over and do my South By shows and I was like, fuck.
I want to stay here.
I want to experience.
joe rogan
It was pretty fucking dope.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was pretty dope.
It was cool to have, first of all, it was cool to have Louie in early because Louie gave me some really, really good advice and we fixed some things because of his advice.
Like right before cement was about to be poured, We shrunk the stage in the little room.
It was Louie's advice.
And we dropped the ceiling down a little bit in the little room.
And that was also Louie's advice.
It was already a pretty small ceiling, but he's like, drop it down even more.
Make it flat right here.
sam tallent
Yeah, I can palm the ceiling in there.
joe rogan
And then in the big room, he had us drop the main ceiling down as well.
It's nice, man.
It's nice to have it set up that way and to have guys like him and his advice and to have Dave come down and Dave just loved it.
Dave's building his own place.
He's building his own place in Yellow Springs.
sam tallent
In Ohio?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's called the Firehouse.
It used to be an actual firehouse.
sam tallent
Is there going to be a pole to the stage?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That would be cool.
sam tallent
That would be great.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's still there.
Maybe it's been something since then, but it used to be a firehouse.
Having him come out and checking this out, and then he's like, dude, now I'm inspired.
So whatever he's going to do in Yellow Springs is going to be very interesting.
Because I think he's doing 120 seats.
sam tallent
Holy shit.
joe rogan
I think he's doing the size of Little Boy.
sam tallent
Damn, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine that?
You can go see Dave Chappelle at any given night.
sam tallent
In his backyard.
joe rogan
What a great idea, though.
He's Dave Chappelle.
He could do that anywhere.
Why not?
Why not build your own club and have the people come to you?
Because of course they're going to come to you.
sam tallent
It'll be a vacation destination, like your club is.
People were from all over the world last night at Kill Tony.
joe rogan
But I don't know how many hotels they have in Yellow Springs.
sam tallent
Build a hotel.
joe rogan
Build a fucking hotel.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
Become the monopoly.
joe rogan
Then the neighbors are going to complain, it's Dave Chappelle.
sam tallent
Kill the neighbors.
joe rogan
Kill the neighbors.
sam tallent
Who cares, Dave?
joe rogan
I like how you think immediately with the perfect answer.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that spot's going to be interesting to see if more comics start doing this, buying and opening clubs.
sam tallent
I was with, damn dude, Shane's so fucking funny.
I was with Shane last weekend, and he was talking about the club, and just like how, if you got a bunch of comedians in a room, like monkeys with a typewriter, they would hammer it out, and it would fucking look like your club.
You know what I mean?
It's perfect, dude.
joe rogan
Well, it's, you know, because it was built...
Just for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, we had all this time, you know?
Already had the employees lined up, you know?
So it was like, there's all this time to just do it right.
sam tallent
And you assembled a squad, dude.
You got like the A-team in there.
joe rogan
It's pretty awesome.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're awesome people.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And now I got to hang out with Egot, and we got to sit in the back and say rude things to each other.
joe rogan
The fact that all this is happening while a really robust open mic program is happening, too.
sam tallent
Dude, you got a farm team, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's kind of like that, in a way.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fun.
sam tallent
You should be proud of yourself.
joe rogan
I'm excited.
I'm excited about it.
I mean, it's one of those things you probably shouldn't think about too much.
sam tallent
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Just accept it.
sam tallent
I think that's why the honey is working for me because this whole time I was sitting here thinking, I'm on the Joe Rogan experience and then the honey hit and I'm like, I'm just like trying to keep a cigar lit and drinking a beer with a cool guy.
joe rogan
But that's what it really is.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's weird about it being this popular.
Just hanging out.
sam tallent
I know.
But you know this is a really big deal.
Maybe I'll sell out Cedar Rapids this weekend.
joe rogan
Well, I hope you do.
You're a funny guy.
Thanks, man.
It's nice to be able to do it.
I mean, it's one of the cool things about this game.
sam tallent
Putting people on?
joe rogan
Yeah, I love it.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah, dude.
joe rogan
All these skulls.
You know, there's not that many of us, buddy.
Out there in the world.
People with skulls?
No.
sam tallent
Oh, comedians.
joe rogan
There might be like a thousand of us.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not that many.
sam tallent
I don't know, dude.
I've been traveling the world a lot doing stand-up.
Because that's a real up-and-coming thing now.
Like Paris and Bratislava and stuff.
Italy.
Like Barcelona.
And there's a lot of comics out there.
But good God, American comedians are the best to ever do it.
I'll say that.
joe rogan
It's our shit.
sam tallent
Yeah.
It's like we invented the timing.
We invented the whole rhythm of the thing.
joe rogan
It's like rock and roll.
There's something about...
I don't know what it is.
There's something about the way a lot of Europeans are raised that it's a hurdle to get to American stand-up.
Less of a hurdle for Australians.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They slide right into it.
sam tallent
They're funny people, though.
joe rogan
They're wild.
Yeah, my boy Monty Franklin's coming tonight, too.
sam tallent
Nice.
joe rogan
But in terms of English versus American, there's a few guys, like there's Ricky Gervais, and there's a few guys who could really do it, but it's a different style of communication over there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It doesn't necessarily apply that directly without completely remapping how you talk about things.
sam tallent
It's the whole storytelling thing they do over there, dude.
Yeah.
I mean, Jim Jeffries, obviously.
He rules.
That Connelly guy, he's fucking good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Scotland, right?
sam tallent
But it's like, if you go to a place where it's English as a second language and you're the American comedian, you're bodying everyone.
It's nuts.
It's a bloodbath in there.
joe rogan
Why do you think the level over here is so much higher?
sam tallent
Because we've been doing it longer.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
sam tallent
I think so.
And also, like, we value humor a lot more than other places do, I think.
joe rogan
I think also it's real hard to develop if you're the funniest guy in the room.
sam tallent
Oh yeah, for sure.
You have to have people you aspire to.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's one of the more important things about comedy communities.
And that's one of the things that I thought a lot about when I first got here.
When I first got here, before I thought about, like, Jesus Christ, you really want to open up a fucking comedy crowd.
Is that really what you want to do with your time?
You don't have time already.
You don't have any time.
How are you going to do this?
But then I thought, like, that's actually a very valuable piece of the puzzle.
And the more I didn't have it, the more I was realizing, like, it's most of my fun at nighttime is hanging out with comics and talking.
Most of my fun at nighttime.
It's either...
You know, like, talking in the green room, or it's fucking around after the show, going and having a drink, or getting something to eat.
Like, that's, like, some of the most fun times I have.
sam tallent
That's why we're the luckiest people, dude.
Because everywhere you go, you hang out with the funniest people in that city.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you don't have that, if you're just in, you know, whatever, some weird town somewhere, and you start an open mic night, it's hard to get good.
sam tallent
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
You need, like, real comics around you, like, really good comics around you.
It's not even enough to be watching it on YouTube.
You gotta kinda see it live.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta experience it live.
sam tallent
It's like you go on the road and then you meet someone really funny in like South Bend or Cincinnati and you're like, yo, dude, you got to get the fuck out of here.
You got to go somewhere else because you're really funny and you're not going to get as funny as you can here.
joe rogan
And there's also a thing that happens when comics get established and then they get their own audience and then they bring the weakest possible opening act and then they go on afterwards only in front of their audience and they look like a hero.
sam tallent
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's a weird thing because your act sort of deteriorates without you even knowing it.
sam tallent
Right, yeah.
You ossify.
You get soft, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, some shit goes wrong.
You've got to be around killers.
Bill Bursa this once.
He was talking about somebody, and he goes, you've got to do the clubs.
You've got to do the clubs.
These guys, they get to a certain point, they stop doing the clubs, and their act falls apart.
It's 100% true.
You've got to do it in front of live people, small crowds, medium crowds, and that's why we set up these two rooms.
We have small and then a regular.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A 250 and a 120, which is like the right numbers.
You know, it's like 300 is the magic number for a comedy club.
For it to be intimate but still big, you know, 300 is the magic number.
So anywhere you can get between like 250 and 300 is like the sweet zone.
sam tallent
It's like comedy works.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the sweet zone.
You get to those big fucking stand-up live in Phoenix, that's huge.
sam tallent
It's impersonal.
joe rogan
It's so big.
It's like a small theater.
It's fun for the people in the front, but it's like a small theater.
sam tallent
You watch people do crowd work in those big rooms, and there's people in back, and it's like, who's he talking to?
joe rogan
Zero idea what's going on.
sam tallent
You just see the back of the head back there.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have zero idea what's going on.
sam tallent
It's funny, when I was opening for Tim, Figuring out how to do comedy in front of 3,600 people or whatever it is.
Because you can't do crowd work.
You have to have an act.
That's when I got super strong.
I had a bulletproof 25 instead of relying on riffing or talking to the crowd.
It's like, no, here are my jokes and these are proven.
I can't imagine those arenas you do.
Those are fucking crazy, dude.
joe rogan
Those are weird.
But they're actually kind of intimate if it's in the round.
Yeah, I don't necessarily think that an arena where the back is the stage and the audience is in front of you, like normal, is as intimate as a theater.
It's less intimate than a theater, but more people.
But when you're in the round, there's something about being in the round that's more intimate than a theater.
It's really weird because you're surrounded by people and the people are seeing the other people.
Like everybody sees everybody and everybody's enjoying.
One of the things about laughter is it's contagious.
When you're actually seeing, looking straight ahead at people laughing, it's kind of more fun.
And there's like this weird sort of sense of like we're all here together having a good time thing.
That is less apparent when behind you is just a stage wall.
sam tallent
Dude, remember those Zoom shows?
You ever do that shit?
unidentified
No.
sam tallent
Yeah, you don't have to.
joe rogan
No, I wouldn't have done it.
sam tallent
I did it.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Money?
sam tallent
No, just because it was like, oh, I'll entertain some people in the middle of the day, you know?
Yeah, and they record it.
Oh, God, dude.
unidentified
Slow as death.
joe rogan
I watched some people bomb at the Laugh Factory doing stand-up for no audience.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And it was so weird, like, the steps that were taken to make sure everyone was safe.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
They put you in a giant hamster bubble and fucking roll you up to the stage.
unidentified
No.
sam tallent
They bubble boy'd you?
I would've done that for sure.
joe rogan
I would've loved to have been the little- Imagine they develop a hamster chute and just roll out from the green room.
Okay.
Sam, talent.
Ready to launch.
You roll onto the stage.
sam tallent
I would've keep rolling, dude.
I would go right through the door.
Gravity has a weird effect on a man of my size.
joe rogan
So people are on that stage with a microphone and no audience.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
So weird.
sam tallent
You need an audience.
You can't practice stand-up in a vacuum.
joe rogan
It doesn't work.
sam tallent
That's why it's the only pure way of entertaining.
joe rogan
Look at Tim Dillon when he does his show.
He has an audience of one.
sam tallent
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
The producer.
sam tallent
Yeah, but he's a once-in-a-fucking-generation broadcaster, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, he is.
sam tallent
Tim's the dog.
joe rogan
He's the man.
sam tallent
I gotta hang out with Tim so much.
See him interact with people?
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
Fucking rules.
joe rogan
He's the fucking man.
He's the greatest ranter of all time.
sam tallent
He was like, some lady came in and was super annoying in Australia, and then he said some shit to her, and she laughed, and I was laughing, and he was like, here's what people don't know.
I'm a new money homosexual from Long Island.
I'm a problem.
People forget.
People forget about me because I look like this.
No, no, I'm nasty.
I was just howling, dude, slapping my legs.
joe rogan
He's the man.
sam tallent
He's the greatest.
He put me on, dude.
I fucking loved him.
joe rogan
He's so funny, and he's such a good person.
sam tallent
Generous, dude.
joe rogan
He's a fun guy.
sam tallent
That's the weird thing about meeting Mike.
joe rogan
Crazy as fuck, too.
sam tallent
Oh, sure.
I love him.
Yeah.
Undiagnosed, you know?
joe rogan
There's definitely some shit going on.
But he makes good real estate choices too.
sam tallent
Dude.
joe rogan
His fucking rants though, what he's doing is he's developing material like in a laboratory.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so good because he's gotten that muscle of doing that and ranting is so strong now because he's used to putting them together.
It was funny we were talking about it because it's like all day long now.
I can't relax because I'm thinking, okay, what's my take on this?
What am I going to say about that?
I'm mad about this.
What am I mad at?
What am I getting off about?
I'm like, oh, right, because you have to come up with all of it yourself.
So you have to have valid things, things that are going to capture people.
I want to see his take on Dylan Mulvaney.
I bet it's amazing.
sam tallent
I bet it is nuanced and profound and vulgar and smart.
joe rogan
I bet it's amazing.
sam tallent
Dude, Tim and I, when we were on the road together, he would just, like, find a really expensive house and arrange a viewing of the house, and we'd go in and, like, waste some realtor's time for an hour.
Like, she'd be like, and these are the windows, and he'd be like, very good, Charlotte, you know, and then she'd turn and he'd be like, dog shit, trash.
I wouldn't even kill someone in this room.
joe rogan
It's hell.
sam tallent
It sucks.
It could be good.
joe rogan
Why does he go and look at houses?
sam tallent
Because it's something to do on the road.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
sam tallent
One time a lady took us upstairs and it was like, the downstairs was beautiful and the upstairs was just like leftover materials, total rush job.
And we're like, oh fuck.
And she like grabs us and takes us into the bedroom and she points at the fire alarms and she's like, these are about to be the industry standard.
These are big.
These are going to take the world by storm.
And Tim turns to me and he goes, it's not good when she's selling the fire alarms.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
You know the house is bad.
You know the house is bad when that's the selling point upstairs.
joe rogan
He was talking about what he does on the internet.
I watch a lot of YouTube videos, mostly nonsense.
And he goes, I'm on Zillow.
sam tallent
He is, dude, nonstop.
unidentified
He's on Zillow.
joe rogan
He's looking at houses constantly.
sam tallent
I know.
joe rogan
But I mean, that's what his original thing was.
He sold subprime mortgages.
sam tallent
Oh yeah, he scammed America.
joe rogan
He was part of the crisis.
sam tallent
Yeah, he fleeced the nation.
joe rogan
Have you seen when he does Meghan McCain?
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
This is Meghan McCain.
That is one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen in my life.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Apparently she doesn't like it, which I can understand.
sam tallent
No way.
joe rogan
I can understand.
It's not slight against you that he does this, by the way.
That is not you.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is a ridiculous, comedic caricature.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
He's invented a character.
sam tallent
It's a lampoon, Meghan.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's invented a completely different character than you.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
He's just, wouldn't it be funny if Meghan became this insane?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just like, holy shit.
sam tallent
Also, Meghan McCain secretly has huge breasts, which Tim pointed out to me.
joe rogan
Oh, are they secret?
sam tallent
I don't know.
She does a good job keeping them under wraps.
It's crazy when a gay guy points out a cool set of Hooters and you're like, I want to see the world through your eyes.
unidentified
Interesting.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Well, he studied her.
sam tallent
Yes, he did.
joe rogan
Yeah, he studied her for that piece.
Like a predator.
sam tallent
Yes.
joe rogan
Like a bobcat looking at a chicken.
sam tallent
He's like that falcon getting let loose out of the window, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
That's how Tim sees the world.
It's prey.
He's the man.
joe rogan
He is the man.
I was so excited when he decided to come out here too.
sam tallent
Oh, he's so excited about being here?
Let me tell you.
He loves it in Austin.
joe rogan
He hates Austin City.
sam tallent
I know.
joe rogan
He loves the club though, but he hates everywhere.
sam tallent
Of course.
joe rogan
That's half the fun.
Of Tim.
sam tallent
Dude, Tim will call me and he's like, I'm going to get off the road for a couple months.
And then like a week later, I see his dates and it's like, you were a fucking gypsy, dude.
joe rogan
He's not going off the road.
sam tallent
No, he loves it out there.
joe rogan
He also keeps houses in a bunch of different states.
sam tallent
He likes it.
unidentified
He does.
joe rogan
But we talked about it.
The week after he moved here, we had a deep freeze where it fucking rained, freezing rain for like five days in a row and shut everything down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I had him on the podcast right afterwards.
He goes, We were considering suing you.
unidentified
Where the fuck did you move me?
joe rogan
That never happens, dude.
It happened again this year.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It happens.
sam tallent
Tim will call you and he's just in the middle of a conversation he's been having with himself, you know?
Yeah.
He'll be like, Duncan Trussell's got a puppet.
What's going on there?
That's how you say hello?
joe rogan
Is that okay?
Are we allowing puppets now?
sam tallent
It's good.
It works.
But it could be bad.
Tim, the whole trick to doing Tim is you say one thing and then say it could be bad.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
You go the opposite way.
sam tallent
Bud Light, transgender.
Could be good.
Could be bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is what's stupid about the world today.
Our conversation about Bud Light and Dylan Mulvaney is going to make news.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The dumbest thing ever.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
sam tallent
I'm on the side of everybody having a nice cold Bud Light.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not into Bud Light at all anyway.
sam tallent
Can I have that other one?
unidentified
Yeah, you can have it.
sam tallent
Nice.
joe rogan
It's not my thing.
sam tallent
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
I get it.
People like a cold, bland drink.
sam tallent
Hey, Tongue, take the day off.
unidentified
I like a Zima.
sam tallent
I'm on Bud Light.
joe rogan
I like a Zima.
sam tallent
Yeah, you like to test the metal of your mouth.
joe rogan
But I just, like, I think it's funny when people...
Oh, I saw a really funny one.
Somebody took Travis Tritt.
There's a photo of Travis Tritt, and it said, like, that Travis Tritt will no longer sell Anheuser-Busch because of Dylan Mulvaney.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it said, also, Travis Tritt, and he's basically wearing, like, the most feminine, like, country leather outfit, like a blue leather outfit.
Yeah.
Strings hanging down from it, like one of the most unmanly looking, like tight leather pants, high heels.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let me see if you can find that.
sam tallent
Dude, we're so lucky we're comics because if we tried that shit, we would get lit up, dude.
joe rogan
For sure.
sam tallent
There's so many comics that keep me grounded.
It rules.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, getting lit up is very important.
sam tallent
Yeah, the group chat.
joe rogan
No, that's not it, but that's one of them.
He was wearing that kind of shit.
Yeah, that's it right there.
But it said also Travis Tritt, and it showed this outfit.
sam tallent
Navajo grandma Travis Tritt.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if that guy came over and he was dating your daughter?
And it wasn't Travis Tritt.
It was Travis Tritt.
He gets a pass, obviously.
He's a superstar.
But if it wasn't Travis Tritt and this guy came over, it's like, where do you work, man?
sam tallent
Meineke.
joe rogan
What do you do that you have that outfit?
sam tallent
I still break pads.
joe rogan
You're going to fucking Chili's baby back ribs with that fucking outfit on?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you doing, buddy?
unidentified
There it is.
joe rogan
That's the picture.
That's the picture.
unidentified
He rules.
sam tallent
That's the picture.
joe rogan
This is also Travis Tritt.
sam tallent
Good for Travis.
joe rogan
Good for Travis.
Low cut shirt.
sam tallent
That guy's not into transgender stuff.
I don't know why.
He's been spending so much time in a salon.
joe rogan
That's exactly the point.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the point.
sam tallent
Maybe we hate what we fear we are.
joe rogan
It's like that Guns N' Roses song, "Live and Let Die." Yeah.
Da-na-da, da-na-da, da-na-na.
sam tallent
Da-na-na.
unidentified
"Live and Let Die." Da-na.
joe rogan
That's when I first came to LA, right after the Guns N' Roses scene had busted loose.
It was like 1994. That's when I first came to LA. It was so different than, man.
Such a weird place.
It was like this launching pad for dreams.
That's what it felt like when you got there.
Everyone was just there to pursue a dream.
There was like electricity in the air.
When you're in your 20s, And you're in LA and you're like, everyone's trying to make it.
People are trying to get on sitcoms.
unidentified
Yeah.
Of course.
sam tallent
I'm 0 for 8 over here.
joe rogan
They're tightly, but they're nice.
They're a nice pull, but they're a little tight.
jamie vernon
You see that picture going around with it, too?
sam tallent
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
So he was drinking Bud Light with a transgender person.
jamie vernon
Yeah, in 2003. Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he changed his views.
sam tallent
People change, Kid Rock.
joe rogan
He got a little tense.
I think when it became so prevalent, people start to panic.
That's what it is.
It's like, what is happening here?
What are we doing?
Why is it so prevalent?
sam tallent
People evolve.
Maybe people feel safer to come out and be themselves.
joe rogan
It could be that.
It could be that.
It could also be people just like people are easily influenced in any way.
People are influenced in a way that if there was something that came along, anything that came along, that gave you...
A sense of belonging to a group, and then a sense of being praised for that, and then a sense that you're in part of a new movement.
All those things are very attractive to people, no matter what it is.
If it involves religion, if it involves gender, if it involves whatever ideology.
If you all of a sudden can become a group, You're in a group.
You're praised for being a part of that group and praised for your decisions.
And you get all this attention now.
And you also get this feeling that you are on the right side and there's a righteous element to it.
This could be with anything.
And this is how, you know, people get sucked into all sorts of stuff.
And then there's also gender dysphoria, which is absolutely real.
100% real.
And it's a psychological condition that's existed forever.
They don't understand it because biology is strange.
And that's the reality of being a human being.
There's so much variation.
There's so many variables.
There's so many things that can go right.
There's so many things that go sideways.
So many things that are odd.
Or queer, as it were.
There's weird things.
You know, that's why, like, my number one beef with people that get, like, really religious is the gay stuff.
Like, what do you want them to do?
Are you or are you not pro-freedom?
sam tallent
Right.
Dude, freedom is the big thing.
Freedom's the big thing.
Pursuit of happiness.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, these guys are happy when they fuck guys.
sam tallent
Hell yeah, good for them.
joe rogan
I know a bunch of them.
They're all being honest.
sam tallent
They're happier than me.
They're doing great.
joe rogan
Again, go down Santa Monica Boulevard.
It's five blocks.
The guy's having a great fucking time.
sam tallent
Go to Tim Dillon's hotel room.
joe rogan
Don't.
Don't go to Tim.
Leave him alone.
sam tallent
Yeah, no, dude, I just think that it's really weird to be...
joe rogan
Some things you can't unsee.
sam tallent
Or unsmell.
There's just, like, people who are so obsessed with the idea of expressing themselves and they get mad at other people for doing the same thing because it weirds them out, dude.
joe rogan
You know what I think it is?
It's one of those things where if you buy into this side of the group, you have to adopt a bunch of different ideas.
And all those ideas, you can't be pro-life, but also think that we need to take away all the guns.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
No one's going to let you in their group.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
What side are you on, you crazy fuck?
You're a pro-life person who thinks that we should take everyone's guns.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Pro-life is over there with the First Amendment.
You're carrying your mama with a gun.
Yeah.
You're on the wrong team.
sam tallent
Also pro-life, you never whoopsied in a girl in El Paso?
unidentified
Whoopsies!
sam tallent
Yeah, exactly.
What are you talking about?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the conversation about that that I've had with people, with religious people, particularly this one guy, was very weird because it was like his thought was at conception.
sam tallent
Oh, no.
joe rogan
So I was like, what if it's the day of?
What is the day of?
And you can just take something and then it just vanishes.
We're talking about like two cells.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nope.
No, two wrongs don't make a right, even under rape.
They were talking about raping children being raped, and I was like, you're out of your fucking mind, man.
This is crazy talk.
sam tallent
Also, it's not pro-life or anti-life.
It's pro-choice, anti-choice.
That's the whole framework.
joe rogan
But if I was a conspiracy theorist, if I was a real tinfoil hat guy, I would say, if I wanted to keep everybody fighting against each other, My chess move would be conservatives, get rid of Roe v.
Wade.
Fucking arms in the streets.
And then liberals, let's start pushing the most radical ideas and try to make them mainstream.
The most radical ideas, like exorbitant taxes for the wealth, income inequality.
Ignore all the money the same side that's pumping into the military-industrial complex.
Ignore all the influence of the pharmaceutical companies.
Just concentrate on social ideas and push them and get wacky people in your cabinet.
Even if these people are totally incompetent, if you can say this is the most diverse cabinet that's ever been assembled, and that's what they do say, and then you got that fucking crazy dude with the beard who wears a dress who's non-binary, steals women's luggage, that fucking dude who's in the White House in charge of getting rid of nuclear waste or some shit.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Let's get a wig on that guy.
joe rogan
Fucking amazing, though, when stuff like that happens.
If I wanted to keep people divided and not pay attention to centralized digital currency, which Tulsi Gabbard's freaking out about now, that they're trying to do that.
If I wanted to keep people ignorant of that stuff, that's what I would do.
I would move the cultural chess pieces in a way that I have the loudest fringe people on this side and the loudest fringe people on that side so that all the people that generally agree on most stuff don't ever get along because they're either on this side or that side and that side is represented by a dude with a beard and a dress who steals women's luggage and this side is represented by that fucking lady who assaulted me in Aspen.
It's like, Trump's our real president.
I knew you were a patriot.
I'm like, oh no.
You don't want to be associated with these people.
You don't want to be associated with these people.
You don't want to be associated with anti-vaxxers.
And you don't want to be associated with, you know, whatever.
Fucking fill in the blank that this side hates.
sam tallent
There's no more but class war, dude.
joe rogan
But it's almost like it's engineered.
sam tallent
Oh, it is for sure.
They tried to use class war, and then people realized that, you know, money does move everything, so they saw through that.
Then they tried to use race against each other.
Race got together, so now it's ideologies, dude.
That's what they're doing.
Then they can do whatever they fucking want behind the curtain because our eyes have the wool pulled over so egregiously.
joe rogan
And then there's this beautiful component of climate change.
They throw that in there, too.
And this is one that people duke it out over.
The people on the right say, it's not that big of a deal, and it's a natural cycle, and it's this and that.
And most of these people, they're pumping out these narratives without even really paying attention to the facts.
And then there's other people that say, we're going to boil in 30 years.
The ocean's going to boil.
We're all going to die.
But the more time goes on, the more we look at this whole trend of the weather, the more it occurs to me, at least, that it's never been stable, ever, in the history of the world.
It's all fucking like this and that, and it goes ice age, and it gets crazy hot, and it goes cold again.
It's always done that.
It's not like if we don't do anything, it just stays stable.
So let's just say that right away.
Even if we didn't exist, this fucking thing is not stable, even if we did not exist.
So then the question is, how much do we affect it?
And we definitely affect it.
sam tallent
For sure.
joe rogan
There's no chance we don't.
We're pumping gas into the atmosphere.
It's having a warming effect.
Like, how bad is that warming effect?
That's what we need to know.
And what do we have to do to stop that warming effect, or at least slow down that warming effect?
That's what we need to know.
But all this fucking panic and hysteria, and you need to get rid of this and get rid of that, and we're going to go all electric.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
What are you, pro-lithium mining in the Congo?
Is that where you are?
Are you pro-child slavery to get cobalt?
So where are you getting these batteries?
How are you getting 8 billion people to move around electric cars?
Where do you get those minerals?
You don't.
They literally don't exist.
sam tallent
No, there's not enough.
unidentified
There's not enough.
sam tallent
But there's also no ethical consumption under capitalism and all that fucking Marxist stuff, you know, that's like true but also sounds trite at this point.
So it's like, I think that we'll be lucky if we make it to 100 years to see the seas boil without some kind of economic collapse crushing us so we're out there selling our holes for bullets in salt.
joe rogan
Well, I think we're going to have an economic collapse, but I don't think the whole world will.
I think what happens is just what always happens.
sam tallent
Don't we move the needle on the world, though?
joe rogan
For now, but what happens is what always happens.
A new empire takes over.
sam tallent
Sure, China.
China's using quantum computers to hack all of our fucking shit, dude.
They're saving all of our information to the point where they can get quantum computers, and then they can hack everyone's PIN codes and bank accounts and just steal all the money from America.
That's the big move.
joe rogan
Whoa.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's TikTok.
sam tallent
Well, that's part of it, dude.
joe rogan
TikTok's the Trojan horse.
sam tallent
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
sam tallent
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
I gotta put my money in gold.
sam tallent
Yeah, dude, so what?
joe rogan
You know there's only enough...
Did you see this?
I saw this the other day.
The amount of gold in the world is so small.
It's crazy.
The amount of gold in the world is something like 75 feet square.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
I thought they had vaults full of it from floor to ceiling.
joe rogan
I thought so, too.
The actual amount of gold in the world, they said, was like the size of a cricket pitch.
sam tallent
What?
unidentified
Something like that.
joe rogan
Is that bullshit?
jamie vernon
No.
sam tallent
We gotta leave here and go get some gold.
jamie vernon
It's volume.
It's not just gonna cover it.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, but I mean like the size, but 75 feet square.
sam tallent
That's like a solid brick.
jamie vernon
That's like it's showing pictures of it on the Wimbledon Court.
joe rogan
Can you show me what it looked like on the Wimbledon Court?
It's It's towering.
But it's still not that much.
That's the whole world.
sam tallent
It's like half of a twin tower.
joe rogan
So it's 75 feet high, and how long is it?
jamie vernon
It's using very strange ways.
joe rogan
What is it saying?
jamie vernon
Metric tons.
joe rogan
Okay, so it's 208,874...
Tons of gold has been mined throughout history, of which around two-thirds have been mined since 1950. And since gold is virtually indestructible, this means almost all of this metal is still around in one form or another.
Wow.
sam tallent
But is owning gold going to help you when I'm, like, on a leash from a warlord, you know?
They're eating off my back.
joe rogan
Do you know the most fun conspiracy theory about gold?
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
It's a really good one.
It's from the work of Zechariah Sitchin who is one of the guys who translated the ancient Sumerian texts and he believed that the human race is a product of accelerated evolution and that the Sumerian text depicts These god-like beings called the Anunnaki who come here from a planet called Nibiru that's on an elliptical orbit every 3,600 years comes between us and Mars and causes cataclysms because of the gravity and all the
chaos.
But that these beings came down here and inserted their DNA into lower primates and created this being.
And one of the reasons why it came here is because gold is very difficult to find in the universe.
Now, if that's the truth about the earth only has that much gold, imagine that one of the reasons why these beings gave us this desire to have gold, why gold was so popular always early on, and it was a useless metal.
So what if it was pretty?
How come you could buy a house with bags of gold?
Shouldn't you have steel for a sword or for arrowheads or something like that?
Well, anything would be more valuable.
Well, salt was very valuable.
sam tallent
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But this is different because this is like a form of money.
Like, why has it universally been regarded as valuable, like, really early on?
And what he said was that they realized that they could take these suspended particles of gold and put them in their atmosphere, and it would protect them because their atmosphere was eroding.
And so this would be like a reflective, like reflective particles they spray in the atmosphere.
sam tallent
Like what Bill Gates wants to do where he blocks out the sun.
joe rogan
So this is what's crazy about this.
This guy wrote about this in like the 1970s.
He wrote this, what is it called?
The Twelfth Planet, I think.
That was the first of them.
I think he wrote multiple books on the Sumerian text.
But in, I think it was like the 1970s.
Or somewhere around then, they were having this sort of symposium on what to do in the sense of like ozone depletion and climate change.
Is there a way to suspend reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out some of the harmful rays of the sun?
So that was their idea.
So what this book is trying to say is the reason why humans are obsessed with gold is because like the aliens designed us to mine and get the gold.
And then they would use that gold to protect their atmosphere.
sam tallent
So they impregnated us with this idea that gold has value.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Because they need it to enhance their ability to keep living.
joe rogan
It's a fun idea.
It's very fun.
sam tallent
All that shit's fun.
joe rogan
If you're doing bong hits and you're watching documentaries.
sam tallent
High on hallucinogenic honey.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And you hear Joe Rogan saying it in your head.
joe rogan
It's cool when you see Zacharias Hitchin, too, because he's this, like, very scholarly-looking gentleman with an awesome name.
And he's, like, pointing out all these different things, like the caduceus, the sign of medicine, like the universal sign of medicine.
Yeah.
He's like, that's the double helix of DNA.
That's what that is.
That's why it sneaks around like that.
And he says it represents medicine in ancient Sumer.
And it also, like, it's present in these very weird stone tablets.
And some of these stone tablets have images of this, like, enormous being with this human-like creature on its lap, but the thing has a tail.
It's really weird.
It's really weird stuff.
And they also had a depiction of the entire solar system, all the planets in the solar system, and roughly the same size and roughly the same place.
So they had an idea of what planets were out there in 6,000 BC or whatever it was, 5,000 BC. That's fucking insane.
sam tallent
It doesn't make any sense, based on everything we know now.
joe rogan
It's fucking insane and it's wild to look at.
Like you see this clay tablet and it has what is like clearly the sun in the center.
Like look at this thing.
How wild is that?
sam tallent
Are the Anunnaki the albino ones?
Are those the albino aliens?
joe rogan
Um, I don't know that.
I don't know anything about that.
sam tallent
I'm only like familiar with the Chariots of the Gods type shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, Chariots of the Gods is interesting too.
I met that guy.
sam tallent
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Eric Von Daniken.
Yeah, I went to a lunch.
This very wealthy guy that I know is interested in this kind of stuff.
And I think one of his friends was as well.
And so they decided to have this guy come over.
And they said, you know, do you know anybody who knows a lot about this stuff?
And then my friend called me up and said, do you want to come and talk to...
Eric Von Daniken?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I was like, yes.
unidentified
This guy was asking him all these questions.
joe rogan
I think he's a true believer.
He's a true believer.
He's a true believer that all these things are created by aliens, whether it's the pyramids or all these other structures that are impossible to do today.
I'm a believer that all those structures are most likely the evidence of a super advanced civilization that existed that got wiped out by meteors.
sam tallent
And also that they conducted energy, right?
joe rogan
They did something different than we're doing.
No one really knows.
sam tallent
And they're all built along the same lines, right?
Like the NASDA lines?
joe rogan
Some of them are.
The NASDA lines is different.
That's in Peru.
That's really interesting stuff.
Because there's enormous things that are laid out on the sand.
Or on the ground that you can't see unless you're in the sky.
It's real weird.
And some of them look like landing strips.
It's like, what were they doing?
sam tallent
I had no idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, no one knows.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
I think most of that stuff that they keep finding, like the structures of Gobekli Tepe and all these other structures they find around the world, they don't really know where they came from.
I think a lot of that is probably evidence of some shit that existed a long time ago, and they got wiped out.
sam tallent
This served a purpose globally, too, though.
There had to be some kind of, like, mass communication to arrange those structures, right?
joe rogan
Well, at least in the people that were in that area.
What's interesting to me is the most spectacular ones all came from Africa.
And we know human beings all came from Africa.
And the most spectacular ever.
In the history of humanity, still exist in Egypt.
And they're like, you know, the very most recent they could be is like 4,500 years old, which is bananas.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
It's bananas.
It's like, what's going on down there?
sam tallent
Also, all those cities like the one in Peru that's built at like 12,000 feet or whatever.
How do you get the fucking stones up there, dude?
joe rogan
How the fuck did that happen?
sam tallent
I'm going down there with my dad in May.
joe rogan
The wackiest theory I heard was that that used to be at the base of water, and that everything out in front of that at one point in time, many, many, many, many thousands of years ago, was all water.
sam tallent
Yeah.
It was on a beach, effectively.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's been substantiated, or that might be just a wacky theory.
How did they do that?
They made them so they're all like kind of jigsaw pieces and they all slide right into each other and they're fucking enormous.
sam tallent
And they're perfectly fit together.
It's not just like random like fill in with mortar.
No.
joe rogan
These guys are artists and engineers and wizards.
Like how the fuck did they do that?
sam tallent
It's crazy to be a mason and also be able to design some kind of structure that can communicate and or create energy.
To empower people who live almost two miles high.
That shit's beyond any kind of fathoming that I can do.
joe rogan
Well, what's really weird is that a lot of them have these structures that are designed in mirror of the cosmos, too.
So they're very aware of all the stars in the sky and all the constellations, and they put a lot of it in their design.
They did it in Mexico.
The Aztecs did it.
The Mayans did it.
It's...
Just imagine.
If there was one time I could go back and see what the fuck was life like, I think it would be ancient Egypt.
What were you guys doing?
How the fuck did you do this?
What was life like?
What kind of people were around back then?
We have some bodies, but the body's a lot...
Do you know that Cleopatra...
She lived closer to the invention of the iPhone than she did to the construction of the pyramids.
sam tallent
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No.
Cleopatra was not that long ago.
sam tallent
Whoa.
When was she around?
joe rogan
I think a couple thousand years ago.
sam tallent
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What time was Cleopatra around?
Died somewhere in the range of 50 to 30 B.C.? Yeah, so a little less than 2,000 years ago.
Yeah.
And then the pyramids were 2,500 years at least before that.
sam tallent
Fuck, dude.
joe rogan
And maybe more.
sam tallent
What about the Maoris?
Those dudes who navigated all the way to Hawaii in fucking kayaks by the stars?
joe rogan
Fucking kayaks.
sam tallent
I'd go back there.
I'd see what those boys were up to.
joe rogan
Hardcore shit, dude.
sam tallent
You just launch off of your island, and you're like, fingers crossed, we're going to find some other shit out there.
joe rogan
Fingers crossed you're going to caught a hurricane.
sam tallent
Or they knew.
Or someone told them there was shit out there.
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Well, I bet they went on fishing voyages and I bet they just kept going further and further out.
sam tallent
Really?
joe rogan
If you do it over time and you figure out how to get back, they probably just...
I don't think they did it all in one crazy trip.
sam tallent
No, but I think that they had expeditions that they would probably report back from lesser islands, come back and be like, now we have set up over here.
joe rogan
Right, because you probably didn't even know where the islands were.
unidentified
No.
sam tallent
Your fingers crossed you're going to find land.
joe rogan
Imagine finding Hawaii.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine.
You're out there in the middle of the ocean like, dude, I think we're fucked.
We're gonna die out here.
I think we're only in the middle, so we don't have any more water.
sam tallent
All we have is coconut milk.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden you look and you see waterfalls and shit.
No wonder why they're so happy.
sam tallent
They're stoked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like always been a vacation spot.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
And also I understand why they defended it so hard.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
It's like your rights to be mad at the Dole Corporation, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it's also weird that that's, I mean, I think it deserves all the protection of America.
Don't get me wrong.
But it's weird that Hawaii is in its own country because it's five hours in a plane over the ocean.
unidentified
Yeah.
sam tallent
You're pretty much in Japan.
joe rogan
You're in the middle.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really, I think it's the most remote place you can travel to.
sam tallent
The most remote large city is Honolulu.
joe rogan
There's a million people in Honolulu.
sam tallent
For sure, yeah.
Most of them are Japanese.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tallent
Hell yeah, dude.
That city is built on the Japanese way of life.
That's why they're so efficient.
And the buses in Honolulu are always on time.
joe rogan
No shit.
sam tallent
Yeah.
And that food they have out there...
I get it.
I get why they're furious that they've been ruined by American capitalism.
joe rogan
By people with Hawaiian shirts?
sam tallent
Yeah, exactly.
Big fat guys like me out there just ruining their sunsets with my weird nude body.
joe rogan
Just drinking and getting drunk and wanting it.
Where's the fucking luau, bro?
sam tallent
Why is there gravy on your hamburgers?
joe rogan
They do have gravy on their hamburgers.
sam tallent
Moca Loco.
joe rogan
That's right, Moca Loco.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
It's just like guys like me chugging those, having a bunch of Bud Lights, going down to the water.
joe rogan
Hunting wild pigs.
sam tallent
Oh, dude.
How about those dudes who hunt?
They have their dogs wearing boar vests?
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Do you know about that shit?
Of course you know about that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know about that shit.
sam tallent
That's wild.
joe rogan
Down in Arkansas?
They do it in Hawaii, too, buddy.
sam tallent
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, the dogs hold the boar down and they stab it.
sam tallent
I'm glad those dogs haven't got meat.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a rough way to do it, man.
sam tallent
Yeah, savaged by dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the thing is, it's like with a lot of those pigs, you can't get to them.
Like, they're really smart, they smell you, and they take off a million miles away.
And, like, the winds in Hawaii swirl all over the place.
It's very difficult for a person to, like, do anything about invasive species without some help.
sam tallent
Pigs are so smart.
joe rogan
That's why they use dogs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's because of the terrain, for the most part.
It's rough, man.
The dogs, like, clamp down on—they use pit bulls.
And the pit bulls clamp down on the boars and hold them in place.
sam tallent
And they get fucked up by those boars, too.
joe rogan
Oh, they get fucked up.
They get fucked up bad.
I mean, I'll show you a boar that I shot in California.
I have a little scar out here.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Because the teeth are fucking bizarre, man.
They're these crazy choppers that come out this far, almost halfway up his face, and they sharpen each other as they close.
sam tallent
No!
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
That's another animal.
That's javelina.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Javelinas, their teeth sharpen each other as they close.
Javelinas have crazy sharp teeth.
sam tallent
So throughout their life, they're just constantly getting more and more honed?
joe rogan
Well, it just keeps it sharp.
Wow.
I don't have it here, but I have one that I shot and I turned into chorizo.
And when you run your finger across the blade of its skull, it's like, whoa.
The blade that comes out of the bottom teeth, that's what they look like.
sam tallent
Whoa!
joe rogan
So they close and they actually sharpen each other.
They scissor.
The bottom ones are fucking crazy.
Look at that.
sam tallent
That would destroy your leg.
joe rogan
That's what it looks like.
See that picture of it with its mouth open?
That's what it looks like.
Go to the one that's actually alive.
Look at that rat pig.
That's fake.
That's a real one.
When they do a mount like that, that's not their real teeth or their real tongue.
sam tallent
That looks like a little pig bear.
joe rogan
I know.
It's not even a pig.
It's a cousin of a pig.
It's called a peccary.
sam tallent
Oh, it's a peccary.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of animal.
sam tallent
They're all over like Oklahoma on the side of the road.
joe rogan
You can eat them.
They taste good.
If you prepare them correctly, I made chorizo and eggs the other day.
sam tallent
I'd eat that shit easy.
joe rogan
They scream.
unidentified
Look how aerodynamic it is.
joe rogan
Look at them go.
sam tallent
It looks regal.
That's me in the water.
joe rogan
They make crazy little demon noises.
I was pig hunting once, and we were walking down this dirt trail, and there was this really high grass to the right of us.
And inside the high grass...
Yeah, that's the noises they make.
sam tallent
Going after that pumpkin.
joe rogan
Listen to the noises.
sam tallent
Get along, boys.
joe rogan
Bro, I mean, they sound like little demons.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're mean.
They won't share.
That pumpkin.
But we were walking down this trail, and to the right of us was this high grass, and inside were wild pigs, and we were fighting.
And dude, it sounded like demon shit.
It sounded like Lord of the Rings stuff.
It's like...
I was like, Jesus Christ.
sam tallent
It's like Mordor.
joe rogan
If we were hunting demons, and that's just what they looked like, it'd be terrifying.
Hearing that noise coming out of the grass, I was like, what the fuck?
They will charge you, too.
That's what's scary about wild pigs.
They'll fucking go after you.
sam tallent
Don't pigs turn feral like within two weeks or something crazy?
joe rogan
I think it's like they start to morph within five or six weeks.
sam tallent
Yeah, they grow tusks like real quick within a year.
joe rogan
Well, they're face elongates.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like, this was all explained to me by Steve Rinella.
He was the guy actually that I was pig hunting with when we heard him in the grass like demons.
It was the craziest noise, dude.
So he said that this one species, you know, people say wild boars and wild, it's all one species.
It's called sous scroffa.
And they're all, like, interchangeable.
They just selectly breed them for different things, but it's one species, which is nuts.
So, like, when, like, a domestic pig gets out, like, some of these pigs, like, you ever heard of Hogzilla?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hogzilla is this giant wild boar they caught.
He said that's most likely that was a domestic pig that somebody fattened up and got real enormous, and then it broke out, and it just made its way to the woods.
sam tallent
So your classic pink pig became Hogzilla.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Hair changes, it gets thicker and darker, and they just look totally different.
sam tallent
Nature.
joe rogan
It's wild, dude, because they're like gremlins.
They're like the gremlins and they feed them after midnight.
That's what happens to the pigs.
They're like, we're cool as long as you feed us and keep us in a fucking barn.
unidentified
Keep us fat and happy.
joe rogan
Yeah, keep us in this contained, fenced area.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're good.
sam tallent
That's like the majority of Americans.
And then as soon as, like, you can't get food anymore, they're going to turn and start eating each other.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
sam tallent
We're going to be fucking eating each other's kids and shit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The Last of Us.
sam tallent
I don't think I'll do well in that situation.
joe rogan
You might rise to the occasion, buddy.
sam tallent
Dude, I'm trying.
I think you might.
Comedians will be the first against the wall, and they'll use my back for leather for their chariots.
But my wife's a doctor, so she's going to be very valuable.
They're going to want her.
I'll just be like an ox.
I'll have a yoke in my mouth pulling the carts.
joe rogan
Maybe your football and wrestling experience could come in handy.
sam tallent
Oh, I would easily, I would fucking eat someone real quick, dude.
joe rogan
How quick?
sam tallent
Easy.
As soon as I need to.
joe rogan
Power goes out for two months.
sam tallent
Two months?
Four and a half days.
joe rogan
Four and a half days later.
sam tallent
I'm going next door with my Mossberg.
Being like, what do you got in here?
Who's ripe?
Hand it over.
I have no problem with cannibalism for some reason.
joe rogan
Would you want to kill and eat the people that were a problem first?
Just like clean up society, Dexter style?
sam tallent
No, I'm still lazy.
It'd be proximity.
It would be whatever was in my grasp.
joe rogan
I bet you wouldn't be lazy.
You'd probably lose a lot of weight.
Your joints would feel better.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because you wouldn't be doing whatever you're doing now.
You'd be trying to find food.
sam tallent
Whatever I'm doing now.
joe rogan
So you would also only be drinking water because that's probably all that's available.
sam tallent
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Once everybody cleans out all the warehouses of soda, this is going to be a few people that hoard soda.
It'll be a thing.
You bust it open for special occasions.
Hey, I got a bottle of Dr. Pepper in the basement.
sam tallent
I got some vintage Surge over here.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll bust out a fucking Pepsi.
unidentified
He's got Pepsi.
joe rogan
He's still got bubbles?
sam tallent
Yeah.
It'd be a can this big.
It'd be like eight glasses.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is amazing.
sam tallent
It'd be sacrament at that point.
unidentified
Right.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be what would happen.
Pepsi would become our sacred beverage that we would drink on weddings and, you know.
sam tallent
If you were super rich.
joe rogan
We'd crown a new king.
sam tallent
RC Cola.
unidentified
Ooh.
sam tallent
That's how you know you made it in the apocalypse.
joe rogan
No, Jones.
Like Jones.
sam tallent
Jones is good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
sam tallent
Real sugar.
joe rogan
If you have a case.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
If you have a case of like some fucking.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some artisan soda.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
It's like we're watching this show Yellow Jackets, me and my wife, and they're all like upset about having to eat one of their friends.
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
What is Yellow Jackets?
They eat their friends?
There's a bunch of girls who got like a- You haven't said that so easily.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
sam tallent
It's fictional.
It's not a documentary.
But these girls get like trapped in the woods on like a- they're on like a soccer team or whatever and their plane goes down and they have to eat one of the girls after she dies.
It's like she's already dead.
joe rogan
Yeah, if she's already dead, it's not that big of a deal.
sam tallent
Munch her.
But here's the issue with eating someone after they died.
If they starve, they don't have any nutrients in their body.
unidentified
Is that true?
sam tallent
So eating them, yeah.
Like, they've already leeched all the nutrients out to go to their liver and heart.
What's that?
joe rogan
What are you hearing this?
sam tallent
Like, shipwreck books.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tallent
Yeah.
I've read a lot of books about, like, shipwrecks.
joe rogan
So their meat won't have vitamins?
sam tallent
It's not valuable.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not valuable if they're starving to death?
sam tallent
Yeah, because they've, like, used all of their nutrients to keep their organs alive.
unidentified
Yeah.
Huh.
sam tallent
Yeah, so it's like eating styrofoam at that point.
joe rogan
That makes sense, because if you eat healthy things, it's probably healthier.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why Wild Game's so good for you.
sam tallent
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
sam tallent
Like eating Elkhart rules, compared to eating just like a guy who died in the hospital.
joe rogan
That guy who got, hmm, cannibalism.
It's perfectly natural, a new scientific history argues.
Okay, whatever.
That's what they're trying to normalize next, after they normalized the Dalai Lama?
sam tallent
Where do these libs end?
joe rogan
Is that what they're doing?
Fucking cannibalism?
First, you want to indoctrinate my kids.
sam tallent
Suck on my tongue.
joe rogan
Then you want minor, what is it, minor attracted people?
sam tallent
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
They tried that one for a little while.
sam tallent
Fuck that shit, dude.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
sam tallent
Get out of here.
I'm eating your ass first.
joe rogan
100%.
sam tallent
Dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, get them while the nutrients are hot.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Oh, give me that.
Give me that pedo meat.
joe rogan
Minor attracted people.
sam tallent
What the fuck are you saying?
Fuck you, dude.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I haven't heard of the medicinal cannibalism.
What?
sam tallent
What?
joe rogan
I hadn't heard of the medicinal cannibalism you described in Europe, starting with the ancient Greek physician Galen of Pergamon, and continued to the 20th century.
That was one thing that really surprised me.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I told you they used to eat skulls.
Yeah, they used to have mummy unwrappings at fancy parties.
So if you went to Tim Dillon's house, hey, I'm having a mummy unwrapping!
Come by!
I'm gonna wear a Rolex!
sam tallent
On both wrists!
I'm gonna have a headband.
It's a Rolex.
joe rogan
And he's gonna fucking unwrap mummies and you take a scoop full and put it in your tea.
sam tallent
That was like Great Gatsby shit, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
sam tallent
The Gilded Age.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I love that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio.
sam tallent
He's the man.
joe rogan
I love the fake car.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A car that didn't really exist.
Like, there was no car that drove that well.
sam tallent
I never realized that.
joe rogan
Those cars were shit.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
That movie, The Great Gatsby?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That car that he has is like a resto mod.
It's like a modern version of an old car.
The thing was the shit.
sam tallent
Whoa.
joe rogan
I remember watching that thing going, that is so much better than any car that existed back then.
Like, what is that thing supposed to be?
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
Like, that thing, when he drove it around, that thing is amazing.
sam tallent
Look at that hat.
joe rogan
Like, the way that thing drove in that movie is, like, literally impossible for one of those things.
Those things were dog shit.
The Great Gatsby.
jamie vernon
Older one.
joe rogan
That's an older one.
sam tallent
Those white wall tires.
joe rogan
See, that's a real one.
But let me tell you something.
If you drove that, it drives like dog shit.
But now look at his.
Look at Leonardo DiCaprio one.
Look at that thing with the fucking pipes and all that shit.
sam tallent
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
See all that fucking wild action inside the engine compartment?
That's all fake.
That didn't exist back then.
If it did, I'd have one.
I'd be like, I need that fucking thing in my life.
That thing is awesome.
I love old cars, but I don't...
See, those things drive like dog shit.
That's the problem.
sam tallent
I like when a car looks like a snub-nosed pistol.
joe rogan
That looks pretty dope.
sam tallent
That's sick.
joe rogan
That looks pretty dope.
But it's like those cars...
Like the one Leonardo DiCaprio had, if you watch...
See if you can find him driving in the movie.
It behaves in a way that no car from that era can.
It moves like a modern car.
It moves fast, and it's like...
It handles, and it's like...
No.
No, no, no, no.
See if you can find like some video of him driving.
sam tallent
Him and Toby.
joe rogan
It's beautiful looking though, man.
sam tallent
They're on the way to get some pussy.
joe rogan
Look at Toby.
See how it's cornering and shit, all that?
Like, not gonna happen.
You're dead.
That thing's spinning out.
90% of its weight's in the front.
It's got zero horsepower.
What does that fucking thing have for horsepower?
Like, go back to one of them old ones and tell me what they have.
That old yellow one that looked like it.
See what horsepower it had.
I'mma guess.
I bet it had 100 horsepower.
sam tallent
Let's guess 100. I'll take the under.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's got to be under.
joe rogan
It's probably under.
Yeah, I'm probably way overestimating.
jamie vernon
Well, so...
Oh, that's not the right one.
unidentified
Okay.
jamie vernon
Thank God.
joe rogan
What year was it?
jamie vernon
1928. Whoa.
joe rogan
Okay, I'm under now.
I'm under 100. Maybe 95. 95 horsepower.
sam tallent
It's crazy he wrote that book and at the same time Sherwood Anderson was writing like Winesburg, Ohio about people eating dirt.
It's like these were two parallel thinking in like the modern novel at that point.
It was nuts, man.
joe rogan
Well, that's happening right now, right?
sam tallent
Oh, in Haiti they're eating dirt all the time.
joe rogan
I mean you have people in some parts of the world that are essentially starving to death and drinking out of puddles.
sam tallent
Right, for sure.
joe rogan
And then you have succession.
sam tallent
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
sam tallent
Don't spoil it.
joe rogan
I'm not spoiling it.
sam tallent
Alright.
joe rogan
It's great though.
sam tallent
I know.
joe rogan
But you know you have like these fucking spoiled rich kids and their crazy dad and people get excited about it.
jamie vernon
20 horsepower.
joe rogan
20!
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Let me tell you something.
In 20 horsepower, you're not doing any of that fishtailing.
You're not doing any of that driving real fast.
Like all that stuff, that thing is slow as fuck.
sam tallent
I feel like between the two of us, we have 10 horsepower.
joe rogan
At least.
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
At least 10 bitch ass horses.
sam tallent
Hell yeah, dude.
Little miniature ponies.
joe rogan
No, we probably don't even have a horsepower.
sam tallent
Maybe.
joe rogan
No.
No way, man.
sam tallent
We can pull.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
sam tallent
I'll be pulling.
joe rogan
Horses carry people for days.
sam tallent
I've given some long piggyback rides.
joe rogan
Bitch-ass engine.
Whoa.
1923, the Merlin 23. It says 1,200 horsepower, it says.
What?
jamie vernon
It's a V12. No.
That's what it says.
sam tallent
Maybe that's augmented.
joe rogan
That's why I was taking my time.
But is that an engine for a plane?
jamie vernon
I was about to say it might not be for a car.
joe rogan
Is that for a plane?
jamie vernon
Probably.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's probably huge, right?
Yeah, aero engine.
Yeah, it's in marine variants, Jamie.
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, okay.
joe rogan
So that's a marine engine?
Oh, they probably make like crazy yacht engines too.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the first one I found was bringing this up, a 28 million dollar yacht inspired Rolls Royce that had like 500 horsepower.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
The Rolls Royce is 28 million dollars?
What the fuck?
jamie vernon
Did Jay-Z buy one?
joe rogan
Of course he did.
I'd buy one if I was Jay-Z too.
You kind of have to have one if you're Jay-Z. It's part of the package.
You got a stunt.
You got to have a $2 million Richard Millet watch.
What are those called?
Richard Millet.
Yeah, that's it.
sam tallent
You can have Beyonce pushing around on like a 2007 Impala.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Look at that thing.
It's pretty, but it's not $20 million pretty.
I get it.
That's pretty sick though.
The boat tail has echoes of something that went away.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Two door.
Removable roof.
Removable roof.
unidentified
Look at that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, the deck lid splits in two.
jamie vernon
That's pretty sick.
joe rogan
Reveals an alabic picnic camper.
What?
jamie vernon
Look at this.
joe rogan
There's fucking glasses and champagne and shit in the back.
It pops open.
sam tallent
That's what people want.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
What a piece of shit you'd have to be to get that car.
sam tallent
You pull up to that?
joe rogan
And drive to a picnic.
unidentified
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
The only car on Podcast Island is this.
joe rogan
Yes, our only car on Podcast Island.
But that's half the cost of the fucking island.
That's what's crazy.
Yeah, the island's like $40 million.
sam tallent
Oh, you got that lying around?
joe rogan
That's what we're thinking.
sam tallent
Yeah.
Get that island, dude.
joe rogan
I think I should make that Podcast Island.
sam tallent
That would be a hilarious goof.
It would be a hilarious goof.
jamie vernon
Get recorded there only.
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
Protect our island.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, we only do protect our parks there.
We're here to protect this island.
We're here to be taken over by the bankers.
We decided to claim it for shit-talking.
Well, alright.
Sam, I think we did at least three hours, right?
sam tallent
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
How many did we do?
unidentified
Three.
joe rogan
Tell everybody your Instagram and all that jazz, your social media.
sam tallent
My Instagram is at samtalent.
T-A-L-L-E-N-T. Is that your real name?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
sam tallent
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are the odds?
sam tallent
Why would I have chosen talent and spelt it wrong?
joe rogan
Because you're talented.
sam tallent
Right.
joe rogan
And it's like it's better though.
It looks like fake.
T-A-L-L-E-N-T. Maybe regular Sam Talent was already taken.
sam tallent
Yeah, that's me right there, man.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Buy my book.
If you had like Sam Talent 69, that's what I would think happened.
sam tallent
Yeah, 420 Sam Talent.
joe rogan
Read the novel, Running the Lights, right here.
sam tallent
Buy it off my website, by the way.
Fuck Amazon.
Buy it off samtalent.com and I'll give you a signed copy.
joe rogan
Oh, there you go.
sam tallent
Yeah, ship it out.
There's an audiobook if you're dumb.
joe rogan
That's me.
sam tallent
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I love audiobooks, son of a bitch.
Son of a bitch.
sam tallent
You're on the move.
joe rogan
Did you read it?
sam tallent
No, I had Burt Kreischer, Tim Dillon.
I had 15 different comics read every chapter.
joe rogan
The first one's gonna be tough, but I'll get through it.
sam tallent
Yeah, he did the first one.
joe rogan
That's good, it's a nice warm-up.
sam tallent
I got Kanane, Ari, Dan Soder, David Borey, they all did great jobs.
unidentified
Beautiful, all right, fantastic.
sam tallent
And see me on the road.
joe rogan
Go see Sam Tallent.
And if you hear this, you won't even know that he's here tonight, because it comes out tomorrow.
sam tallent
Yeah, no, it comes up tomorrow.
I'm there tomorrow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
412. But it's already sold out, so tough shit.
sam tallent
Oh, that's good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
sam tallent
That's good news.
joe rogan
That's it.
sam tallent
Thank you for having me, Joe.
joe rogan
Thank you.
I really enjoyed it, brother.
Thank you.
You're a very funny guy.
unidentified
I really appreciate it.
sam tallent
All right.
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