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Feb. 7, 2023 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1937 - Punkie Johnson
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01:21:37
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punkie johnson
01:09:58
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joe rogan
The Joe Rogan Experience From the bartender at the comedy store to Saturday Night Live What the fuck?
punkie johnson
I'm still processing that if you want me to be honest.
joe rogan
How many years was it?
punkie johnson
How many years I worked at the store?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I think 10. 10 years at the store.
joe rogan
What year did you start?
What year did you start comedy?
punkie johnson
If I'm not mistaken, it was 2011. Oh, cheers, my friend.
Cheers.
joe rogan
So good to see you.
punkie johnson
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
Congratulations on your success.
punkie johnson
Thank you.
joe rogan
It's been amazing to see.
punkie johnson
This is a dream come true, just being here.
This is the success right here.
joe rogan
It's a dream come true for me to see you rise.
I love it.
I love it when I see people start off at the store and just get their feet under them and get their shit together and pull it off.
punkie johnson
Woo!
joe rogan
It's so exciting.
It's so exciting.
punkie johnson
It's still unreal.
I'm still like...
I was kind of mentally still in California because I remember I was out there, just this little chick from New Orleans.
I'm like, what the hell am I doing in California?
What am I doing driving down Sunset and seeing these beautiful palm trees, the things that I would see on television?
And then that time just went, it just left.
joe rogan
Isn't it weird?
The first time I came to California was 93. I was with my friend Gary Valentine and we were out here to do some shit for MTV and we were driving around like, we're really here?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was 26 and I was like, what the fuck is this place?
This place is so weird.
It just felt like I'm not supposed to be here or something.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
That's exactly what it felt like for me.
I just got in where I fit in over there.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
It's weird.
punkie johnson
Got me a little job.
I moved out there.
I had me a little change because I didn't work for six months when I first went out there because I fell in a hole in New Orleans.
joe rogan
A hole?
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
What kind of hole?
I was just minding my business, walking down the street, and I just fell out of the world into a hole.
It was wet cement that was not blocked off.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
punkie johnson
And I went down to, like, neck.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
punkie johnson
So I was just, like, trying to get out.
And my stupid ass, I didn't realize how dangerous it was for me to be in that hole.
I was laughing the whole time.
I was like...
My stupid ass fell in a hole.
And then I had to, I was, the Walgreens was right there, so I had to go.
I bought, like, some pajamas or whatever they had.
And I went home, and my parents were like, this is not funny.
Like, you could have lost your life.
And then I got this major lawsuit.
I had to go to physical therapy because my adrenaline was pumping, so I didn't know I was hurt.
So the next day, I was just like, oh, my back was stressed.
My arms were stressed because I was banging on the ground trying to get out, trying to pull myself to the cement to climb out.
joe rogan
How did you get out?
Did someone help you?
punkie johnson
No, nobody was outside.
I was screaming.
But I was laughing because I'm goofy.
And I'm like, you dumb bitch, how you falling to a hole?
But I didn't realize how serious it was till after.
And then my parents, they brought me to a lawyer.
They're like, hell no.
Like, no, you could have died.
And then I just, I forgot all about it.
I went to therapy for a year.
And then I got a check.
joe rogan
It took a year to get better from that?
punkie johnson
Well, you know, with the lawyers and shit, you got to go to therapy while they litigate and figure shit out.
joe rogan
Did you have any lasting problems from that?
punkie johnson
For a couple years, my neck, I had a strained back, I had a strained neck, but I was well, I was living in, for six months in Los Angeles with no job.
I was compensated pretty well.
joe rogan
So that's what got you to LA? Falling in a hole?
punkie johnson
That's what got me financially...
joe rogan
Able.
punkie johnson
Able.
Now, me going to LA, that's a different story.
joe rogan
So did you start stand-up in New Orleans?
Where'd you start?
punkie johnson
I started in...
So I was always a comedian in my head.
Like, I would always, like, make up these little jokes.
New Orleans wasn't big on comedy.
They're still not too...
They're growing.
It's a growing comedic community out there right now.
And I just...
My...
My family, they comedians.
They just goofy.
I mean, we don't cry at funerals.
We just super, I mean, just dumb.
My mom cracked jokes when she was punishing me as a kid.
She would say riddles while she was whipping my ass.
I mean, it was nothing, like, everything was just funny.
It was nothing that was serious in my family.
If we, you know, on the weekends, you know, you clean the house, you listen to music, we listen to comedy in my house.
And before I went to sleep every night, I watched Comic View on BET. So I was like, you know what, I want to do that.
And so I started in Los Angeles when I got out there.
joe rogan
So the store was the first time you did stand-up?
punkie johnson
I think the first time I ever did a set was at the Ice House in the Rhino Room.
joe rogan
The little room.
punkie johnson
Yeah, the small room in the back.
joe rogan
Yeah, that small room is the shit.
punkie johnson
Oh yeah, if I need to go and practice something.
joe rogan
That small room is truth serum.
If your jokes suck in that small room, they suck.
punkie johnson
I'll go take a nice sexy bomb in them little bitty rooms.
Just some shit I just got in my head and I need to get out.
Oh yeah, like the belly room, rhino room.
I don't know if the Laugh Factory got a little room.
joe rogan
No.
punkie johnson
No.
So I never really...
I just like the little baby rooms.
joe rogan
Those little rooms are...
When you're with a tiny amount of people, you get to see what's bullshit in your act.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
And it's close.
And it's intimate.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
And you look at people dead in their eyes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Like you.
So...
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
I like the smaller rooms.
joe rogan
So that was your first set.
So what year was this?
punkie johnson
I think this was like June 2011. Mm.
It's probably on one of my...
I keep my calendars.
It's probably on one of my old calendars.
joe rogan
So I don't think I met you until I came back to the store, which was the 14th, 2014, I think.
punkie johnson
Yes, and that's when all the stories started happening about you.
Because I'm like, yo, that's the Fear Factory dude.
The Fear Factory dude.
I'm like, what the, because I didn't know the history.
So when, okay, so basically, I'm like this chick from this, from, you know, New Orleans, it's the country, you know what I'm saying?
New Orleans is a city, but I went to school in Thibodeau, Louisiana, and that's super, super country town, right?
Now, I always had dreams of coming to Hollywood, but I didn't know how I was going to get there.
So it was just me verbally speaking it.
So I didn't know what I was going to do.
And then I moved back to New Orleans.
I was in an eight-year relationship with this girl.
We broke up.
I didn't know how to be hurt.
That was my first time ever being hurt.
So I started following her everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
punkie johnson
And like stalking her.
And I remember I used to sit outside in this tree with snacks and weed.
joe rogan
You sat in a tree?
punkie johnson
No.
I'm telling you, I was tripping.
I was young, and I didn't know what to do.
I don't know.
I was tripping.
Anyway, cut all that shit short.
I'm like, you know how you just got to look in the mirror sometimes and be like, yo, you tripping?
Chase your dreams.
Don't be chasing no females.
What are you doing?
So I just had this epiphany about myself, like, bro, get out of here.
And within a week, I was out.
I was out.
I told my job I quit.
I told my moms I was leaving.
I packed up all my shit in this two-door blue Honda thing, and I drove across the country just like that.
joe rogan
Wow.
punkie johnson
And that's how I got into comedy, because I had an interview at the comedy store, and when I got there, it was like 75 people in the original room.
And I looked around.
I ain't never seen no shit like that before.
Audition, you waiting in the office.
It's one, two people, maybe.
This was a line full of people waiting to be seen.
So I pulled back.
I was like, alright, okay.
If I get this job, that means it's meant for me to do comedy.
Because I ain't no way I'm going to get this job out of all these people.
So I get interviewed.
The dude, Mark, he loved the fact that I was from New Orleans.
He was gay.
And he loved the fact that I was gay.
So he was...
I got hired.
And I had a lot of charisma, Joe.
Come on now.
Come on now.
joe rogan
Had you ever bartended before?
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah.
I bartended for I think two, I think two years before.
See, a lot of people be sleeping on a comedy, so that's a whole different ballgame.
The volume up in that place is crazy.
You're doing three shows a night sometimes where you got to switch out.
I mean, you got to work fast because you're serving, what, 400, 500, 600, 700?
You could be serving 800 to 900 people a night, and you got to get them all two, three, sometimes full drinks within two hours.
joe rogan
Yeah, you guys hustle back there.
punkie johnson
I mean, we sweating.
We soaking wet.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
I was always impressed.
I was always impressed watching you guys hustle back there.
punkie johnson
Man, that's...
I mean, you're making money.
You're having a good time, and it's family-oriented.
It's family-owned, so you're having a good time, but you got to move.
joe rogan
Well, that area, that back bar area, that's the vibe.
Everybody comes back and checks in on everybody, hugs everybody, says hi.
punkie johnson
What I love about it is we got to sip a little bit, too, while we was back.
We come in that bitch thought with a shot.
joe rogan
We always do shots together.
punkie johnson
We like, alright everybody, come on now.
Y'all know how it's gonna be?
joe rogan
I think I probably did a thousand shots with you.
Before shows, we always did shots.
punkie johnson
We had to.
Because it's like, but I love working at places like that, too, that's not like corporate, and they allow their staff to have a good time.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
punkie johnson
You know, it's like, do whatever you want.
joe rogan
As long as you get the job done.
punkie johnson
Get the job done, don't steal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Point blank, period.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
punkie johnson
And we was like, cool, you ain't got to say nothing.
And the comedy store is a place of...
The customer ain't always right.
Like, don't come in here with that bullshit.
We kicking you out on site.
Don't start with the comedians on stage.
We don't really care what happened between you and the server.
The server gonna win.
joe rogan
Well, we know the servers.
We know they're not assholes.
There's no assholes there.
There was a few over the years, but they kind of weeded them out.
There's a few.
punkie johnson
It's a place of like, you know, If you're not with us, you're against us, and you gotta go.
And we'll figure that out real fast.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Real fast.
joe rogan
I saw so many people try to flex and talk to the manager and think they're gonna get somebody fired, and it's hilarious.
The reaction is so different at the comedy store, they're like, yeah, you gotta go.
And they're like, what?
punkie johnson
Yeah, you got to get out of that.
joe rogan
That person was rude to me.
No, they definitely weren't.
punkie johnson
Look, handle it.
If that was, don't come up in here with that bullshit.
Handle it.
It was rude to you?
All right, go handle your business.
joe rogan
Also, we're pretty suspicious.
punkie johnson
Yeah, and we all grown-ups in here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Don't come with the tattletale and all that shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
I probably should have got written up so many times at the comedy store.
I cursed so many people out at that bar.
joe rogan
No, you're supposed to.
punkie johnson
You know, like people were coming there just doing the weirdest stuff and have the weirdest energy.
joe rogan
Well, they would come into the back bar, too, thinking they could order a drink.
Like, hey, you're in the employees area.
Like, why are you back here?
Like, drunks would wander through those doors and just make it into the back area.
punkie johnson
But that was another thing about the store, too, because it's like, we expect for you to know what your lane is.
But then, you know, you give somebody an inch, they take a mile, and they think they run the joint, and then we got a problem.
But I do appreciate the people that come there and really want to be a part.
That just shows you that it's a good place and people really want to be a part of this family.
joe rogan
Well, it is a family and it is an amazing place.
That place has launched so many careers.
I mean, the history of that building is just insane.
Even before the Comedy Store, the history of the building, back when it was Ciro's Nightclub and Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis and Sammy Davis Jr., all these world-class talents would be on that stage.
punkie johnson
Yeah, some good spirits in that building.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
And a lot of murder, too.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
So Jeff Scott got rest is wonderful.
So on Halloween, he would do like these little haunted comedy tour expedition things up in a building.
And he would show us all the places where the bullet holes were.
And he would tell us like all of these crazy stories about, you know, like the abortion room and all of this stuff.
joe rogan
I don't know.
punkie johnson
I don't think so either.
I'm just like, that's bullshit.
But it's still like something super interesting and super fun.
And I'm just sitting up there.
I'm new.
I'm just like, what?
This is crazy.
The drug house.
joe rogan
It was 100% a mob-owned nightclub.
That's the fact.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And you've got to think that some evil shit went down.
punkie johnson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
In that building.
punkie johnson
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I mean, it was owned by Bugsy Siegel.
punkie johnson
I don't think I knew that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Bugsy Siegel owned the comedy store before Mitzi did.
punkie johnson
When did that switch over?
What year was that?
Wasn't that in the 40s?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Like, what year was Ciro's nightclub, Jamie?
Because I think Mitzi took it over in the 70s.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
joe rogan
Mitzi and Sammy, they took it over in the 70s.
And then, because, yeah, right?
What year was it owned by Bugsy Siegel?
jamie vernon
It closed in 57 and became a rock club for a little while.
joe rogan
So it opened in 1940. Cirrus became a popular night spot for celebrities.
And it closed in 57. It was reopened as a rock club in 65. And then what year did Desi Arnaz play there too?
Wow.
Cirrus once the most glamorous club in Hollywood.
I think the comedy store opened in the 70s.
72?
punkie johnson
Yeah, there it is.
unidentified
Because wasn't last year the 50th?
joe rogan
Um, yes.
It must have been.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
punkie johnson
We're in 2023. That is crazy.
joe rogan
It was called The Kaleidoscope in 68. And it was called It's Boss in 69. Oh, my God.
Patch 2. Patch 2. And then The Comedy Store in 72. And 72 to today.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
The Kaleidoscope?
I never...
Did you know that?
joe rogan
No, I didn't know it was anything.
I remembered it was something other than Cero's for a little while, but I don't remember what it was.
But, you know, the big names were Cero's in the store.
That was the big names.
punkie johnson
Now, that I never knew.
I thought it went straight from Cero's to...
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
punkie johnson
I gotta hit up Jen.
joe rogan
Oh, my God!
punkie johnson
I gotta talk to Jen.
I wonder if she knew this, because this is serious.
I gotta talk to Lee, too.
Like, this is crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Who's Dick Dale?
jamie vernon
John F. Kennedy.
joe rogan
John F. Kennedy was there?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Wow.
He dined at Ciro's in 65. I believe this is like old surf rock.
jamie vernon
Wow.
punkie johnson
Man, the history of this place is crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
But it feels like it when you walk around.
Joan Crawford, Frank Sinatra, Ava Gardner, Sidney Poitier.
unidentified
Jerry Lewis.
joe rogan
Lucille Ball.
punkie johnson
Dean Martin.
joe rogan
Ronald Reagan was there?
Wow.
Mickey Rooney.
Wow.
Crazy.
All the people that frequented it.
unidentified
George Burns, Jimmy Stewart, Jack Benny.
joe rogan
Crazy.
punkie johnson
I can't believe the president was in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
It was popping like that?
joe rogan
It was popping like that.
unidentified
Goddamn!
joe rogan
I think it was the spot.
And Hollywood was the spot.
And that was the spot in Hollywood.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's such a magic room.
I mean, everything about that place, it's so set up.
It's all the weird little corridors and weird little places in it.
punkie johnson
I remember...
joe rogan
Pull that thing up too, please.
punkie johnson
I remember when COVID hit, I was so afraid.
I was just scared that maybe it'll get...
Shut down because things wasn't looking right.
We came close.
I was just like, that was one thing I was saying, please don't let this place shut down.
Please don't let this place shut down.
joe rogan
Well, fortunately, they made a lot of money from 2014 to like 2019, like when it went down, you know, when 20, when it stopped, when everything stopped.
So they had some money put away.
But, you know, how long can you stay open and pay the rent and not have any income coming in?
punkie johnson
Yeah, when COVID hit, I had to leave.
Because I didn't have any income coming in.
I was like, I ain't no way in hell.
I could stay up in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
So had you done any road work by then?
You've been doing stand-up since 2011. Right, right, right.
And you'd only been doing it in LA? Where had you been doing it?
punkie johnson
I would get like small gigs like the Madhouse would show me some love.
joe rogan
That's San Diego?
punkie johnson
San Diego.
Punchline San Francisco would show me some love.
That's a great room right there.
Yeah.
I love it.
I love it.
I honestly did not know what I was doing.
I didn't fall into the comedy game because that's what I wanted to do.
And when I got the job at the store, I'm like, all right, Bet, you're supposed to do comedy.
I was the type of person, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to just ride it out.
I'll probably, you know, of course I had dreams, but the way it's set up, like how hard it is and how much rejection is out there.
I just was like, you know what, I'm probably just going to be a comedist, don't comic forever, fuck it, whatever, right?
So then I just, I get past in 2016. Surprised.
I was like, oh, okay, for sure.
But I had a killer set.
My set was super ridiculous.
And from that, I got a manager.
I did this show with my guy, Hamid Weinberg, with Sarah Silverman Company.
So I got managers through that.
It was called Please Understand.
And then my managers, Dave, Becky, and Ethan Stern, they're like, all right, kid, what you want?
I said, what?
They said, what you want?
They say...
I was like, I just thought...
They're like, nah, you...
We about to put your life together now.
I'm like, I bet.
I want to do this, this, this, this, and this.
They say, cool.
Now it's time to goal it out.
Let's roll.
And I was like, alright.
So that's when things became a little more serious.
And that's when I started really learning the game.
But I didn't really know about the road until three years ago.
But of course, that was after...
Um, SNL. And now I done went from doing 15 minutes at the Comedy Store to, oh no, now you gotta do an hour.
You on TV. I'm like, oh, okay.
Um, you got an hour?
Absolutely.
No, I don't.
unidentified
How much time did you have?
punkie johnson
I don't know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes of just shit that I had accumulated over the years.
But now it was time for me to start putting it all together.
And every single step of the way, while I was doing that, I was thinking about you because I remember we had a conversation at the store.
I would ask you for advice.
I know you gave a lot of people advice.
You probably don't remember you told me this, but you was just like, economy of words.
Like, pshh.
What that means, Joe?
Fuck all that.
Get rid of all that fat.
Get to the point.
Find out how to explain your stories.
Simply, quickly.
Get to the punchline.
I'm like, alright.
So, as I'm putting this set together, I got paragraphs and paragraphs of shit trying to describe my joke.
And I'm like, economy of words, bitch.
And that's when my comedy started getting better.
Because I'm like, alright.
I'm going to say a sentence.
I'm going to say a joke.
I'm going to say a sentence.
I'm going to say a joke.
And if I got to tell a story with it, I'm going to make sure I got references inside of it.
And act out so it could be full and they don't have air or space in it.
So I'm still working on that though, by the way, but I'm better.
joe rogan
Well, we all are.
You work on it forever.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
Especially because you're going to always come up with new material.
So if you come up with new material, you're always working on it.
Yeah.
punkie johnson
That's why I like doing the small rooms to work on it.
But my small rooms now are the clubs.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, there's no more.
I mean, don't get it twisted.
I'll go do some comedy in a coffee shop in a second.
I'm humble.
I'm not about to be.
I ain't got no coffee.
That's not me.
You know, but before all of this, my rooms to go bomb in was the coffee shop or a library or the back of a basement.
I mean, not the back, but in a basement or something like that.
But I'm leveling up now.
But I still don't know what it feels like to, like, Really truly perform in a big theater.
You know what I'm saying?
I guess like things just kind of turned around for me so fast that I was never put in a situation to go open for anybody.
So now I just got to figure out how to do it now.
Now I'm working up to the theaters without having an experience of doing it for anybody else.
joe rogan
And you're doing it as a headliner.
punkie johnson
Right.
Look, this is from the mud, man.
They got some days I'd be like, Punky, what are you doing?
I got to question myself every day.
Because I don't know, but I'm doing it.
joe rogan
Just keep doing it.
Keep doing it and one day you look back and you go, how the fuck did I get here?
punkie johnson
Oh yeah, they got times I'll be like, punky, you know what, you still got time to just, you know they'll get your job back at the store.
You know, because it get hard.
But I'm like, my mother didn't raise me to be no sucker.
So it's like, you know, I just got to talk myself out of this.
I'm like, bitch, wake up.
unidentified
Come on.
punkie johnson
Stop all that stupid shit.
You was made for this.
You was born for this.
Let's go.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's called imposter syndrome.
Everybody has that.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If you're good, you have that.
Because the people that don't have that are usually delusional.
They don't critique themselves.
punkie johnson
You know, sometimes I wish I was delusional.
unidentified
No.
punkie johnson
Sometimes.
Because these delusional people, they out here fucking up everything with a smile.
Like, yep, I did that.
Like, no, this is bad for you.
joe rogan
Delusional people are weird.
Like, you'll see them go on stage at the comic store and just eat shit and come off with a big smile on their face.
Like, you're not suicidal?
punkie johnson
Man, I hate that.
It's weird, right?
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
It's weird.
And some of them, they're paid regulars.
Like, they keep going.
Like, what's happening here?
punkie johnson
I have seen a lot of people get, like, way better.
Like, Matt Edgar been killing the stage.
Like, Matt Edgar, like, super goofy, dumb funny to me, man.
And I don't really remember everybody that be up in there, but I know Valissa Venezuelan.
I hope I said her last name right.
I always be having a problem with that.
joe rogan
You talking about Melissa?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
She's been murdering.
joe rogan
She's funny.
punkie johnson
She's got great impressions.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She's a super nice person, too.
punkie johnson
Melissa look happy as hell.
Melissa been glowing.
I'm like, girl, I'm like, what's going on with you?
I'm happy.
I'm just happy, dude.
She got all kind of like, I think, like JCPenney endorsements and stuff.
Like, she really doing it.
I'm happy for her.
But I miss the store.
I do.
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's a chapter in your life.
It's always going to be a thing, you know?
You're always going to miss it.
Just the vibe of going into that, pushing through those swinging doors and all the hustle and bustle and everybody's laughing and talking shit and All the waitresses are laughing, the comedians are laughing, everyone's having fun, everyone's working.
punkie johnson
I miss the store.
I miss Jeff.
joe rogan
I miss Jeff too.
punkie johnson
It's not the same.
I'm like, I go in the original room.
I'm like, man, I don't even want to walk in this room no more.
But you know what?
Guess what?
Time don't wait for people.
Things happen.
You got to move on.
But it's still different without Jeff.
joe rogan
It's different.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Jeff Scott was the fucking man.
He was, you know, such a big part of the store.
You know, he would just always crack jokes with them.
He would come talk to you about sets and stuff that you were doing.
He was just, he was like, almost like a counselor.
He was a part of the family, but he had a very specific role as the guy who played the piano and brought all the comedians up.
In between the comedians, for people who don't know, Jeff Scott would play piano.
But it was more than that.
With some comedians, they would work with him, so he'd play some music while they were on stage, and he would give them sound cues and fuck around with them.
But he was just an easy guy to be around, too.
punkie johnson
Jeff and I, we had this thing where I would sing my little songs and stuff at the end of the night, and he would play with them.
And he would be filming a lot of them.
And when he passed away, I called one of the managers at the store.
unidentified
I was like, I'm going to need y'all to get all of them tapes.
punkie johnson
Get them fucking tapes.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
punkie johnson
Because me and Jeff used to say some shit, okay?
Man, man.
Because, you know, the comedy story is like, look, come in here, be yourself, do your thing.
We don't give a fuck.
You know, we want your authentic self.
And I was very, very my authentic self.
So I'm like, get them fuckers.
They're like, we got you, bitch.
You know, SNL is my first corporate job.
I got rules to follow and shit.
Especially in this climate, you just got to watch what you do and watch what you say.
And that's a big shift coming from somewhere where you didn't have to watch what you did and you didn't have to watch what you said.
joe rogan
That's like the polar opposite of the comedy story.
punkie johnson
100%.
You just got to...
Be smart.
I have to be smarter in the way that I deliver or decide to say something sometimes.
Because I could say something, somebody could take that, blow that shit all out of context, and then boom, that's my job.
And you just never know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But that's okay, too.
Even if that happens.
punkie johnson
Even if it does.
I mean, you're going to always be alright, but then that's going to piss me off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
It's just like, yo, why are everybody starting all this drama over...
Simply misunderstanding something that somebody said.
joe rogan
Well, it's purposely misunderstanding it.
Like people are doing it on purpose.
It's people that just, you know what it's like?
It's like the world is filled with glass houses and there's just buckets of rocks everywhere.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
People just want to smash a window.
It's like it's so easy to bring someone down now, especially someone that said they tweeted some shit in 2009 or said some shit.
It's like, it's a normal part of human culture.
Like, when you see someone, especially someone like yourself, that's on the rise and now all of a sudden you're doing great.
People that aren't doing great, they want to chop you down.
And you know what it's like.
Like, there's one thing about comedy that's fascinating is that when you start out, anybody can start out.
You know, anyone can get on that stage.
Open mics, it's for anyone.
Like, literally anyone, including mentally ill people.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so you got a lot of mentally ill people that you're sharing space with and you're hanging out with them all the time and then you start to do well and they get angry at you.
Like people that have like severe narcissistic tendencies and severe jealousy.
And I've seen that with people.
It's interesting to watch it from the outside.
Watching like doormen and bartenders and people that just start out and then one of them starts doing well and then they start getting gigs.
And then they start opening for people, and they see the fucking hate in the other people, man.
It's fascinating to watch that.
And so those are the ones that want to take you down.
The ones that want to take you down are the ones that can't do it.
punkie johnson
Yeah, that's very interesting.
Especially like working at the store, because the big comics will come in, and they'll just pick people.
And you would see it, because people that's been at the store for a while, they wouldn't get picked to go on the road or open up.
But, like, people come there and be new.
unidentified
Want some of those?
punkie johnson
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
No, let me tell you.
Let me tell y'all.
I'm losing my job for sure if I smoke that shit.
joe rogan
Really?
punkie johnson
Look, I start...
Look, I gotta...
You know what I gotta do with marijuana?
I gotta smoke that shit at the house.
Nobody there.
It's just me.
I can't get on the phone.
joe rogan
Really?
punkie johnson
Yes.
I have to be in my own thoughts.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
Sometimes I'll film myself while I'm high.
unidentified
Doing what?
punkie johnson
Well, I'll go crazy.
Like, weed makes me crazy.
I'm paranoid.
I'm always worried about my parents.
I always start feeling also like I ain't shit with marijuana.
But a lot of people that smoke, they're like, look, just keep smoking, keep smoking.
That's just a wall you got to break through.
But I can't let myself feel that way.
Maybe it's the weed that I'm smoking.
I don't know.
joe rogan
No, I know what you're talking about.
I feel that way, too.
It's humbling.
And that's what I like about it.
punkie johnson
Yeah, it makes me feel like I'm not good enough.
But it makes me get up and work.
joe rogan
Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
That's the good part about it.
That's why I'm scared of things that make you overconfident.
Things that make you overconfident I think are terrible for you.
It depends on the person, clearly, because some people have a real problem with confidence and they don't have any.
And for them, marijuana could be debilitating.
But I think for some people that are doing well, it's a little reality check.
It's like you need to look at the big, giant picture.
And sometimes you don't.
You just get so...
Locked in with blinders on, looking at your own day-to-day existence and known things that you concentrate on that you think are important.
Marijuana sort of dissolves any artificial barriers and just makes you look at things for what they really are.
punkie johnson
I do allow myself to feel that once a month, but I have to be alone.
joe rogan
Well, that's probably good.
You know how to handle it.
That's smart.
It's a good way to handle it.
punkie johnson
That's right.
I get me some marijuana, because you go to the stores now, and they be like, oh, this is that Lillilac Polly Wap.
I'm just like, look, I don't give a shit.
Just give me the shit.
I'ma smoke it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Just your hybrid and your mixed with your hybrid.
So that's your indica mixed with your stativa.
I'm like, man, I don't give a shit.
Just give me some weed, bro.
I don't know nothing about weed like that.
So once a month, I'll smoke it.
I'll go through all my emotions.
I'll cry.
I'll reset.
I recharge.
And it honestly looks like I'm in a crazy house.
I had to film myself one time.
It kind of looks like I'm wrapped up because I'm always, I start rocking and I'm doing all of this and I'm crying and I'm talking to myself.
I'm like, you ain't shitting.
unidentified
I'm like, bitch, please, please, you got it.
punkie johnson
Because my emotions are all over the place when I'm smoking.
So I'd rather just not do that in public.
joe rogan
That's a good call.
I feel like those things you're describing, though, as an artist, it's a normal thing.
It seems so crazy that, you know, you would battle with you ain't shit and you got this, and then it's like both sides of your brain are sort of duking it out.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think as an artist, that's something that does, you have to have, as a performer in particular, you have to have a certain amount of confidence.
You have to be able to go up there and know that you got it.
But also, you have to have a certain amount of humility, and you have to have a certain amount of perspective.
And sometimes it's hard, and the better you get, the better you do in life, the more success you get, I think it's harder to have that perspective.
Because, you know, it's easier to just believe your own bullshit.
It's easier to, like, pretend you're different than everybody else.
It's easier to do that, like, that you're special.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
But marijuana, like, lets you know, like, right away, bitch, you ain't special.
punkie johnson
No.
No.
It's these voices.
joe rogan
You're full of fear and you're gonna die.
punkie johnson
Oh my...
joe rogan
Yes!
Yeah.
And you're vulnerable as fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so is everyone you love.
punkie johnson
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, we're all in this together.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it just, it makes me, like, a more considerate person.
It makes me a kinder person.
punkie johnson
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
You know?
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah.
You always been considering the kind.
I ain't gonna lie.
You come to the store.
I remember they had some drama at the store one time and you was like, you was like, absolutely not.
No, no, no.
I don't want to say what it was, but you had our back.
Like the servers, you protected us and you was like, fuck no, not on my watch.
And we was like, yes, Joe.
unidentified
He loves us.
joe rogan
Well, sometimes people, they abuse people that like work in the service industry.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
punkie johnson
It happens.
A lot, unfortunately.
You know, I try to pay it forward.
You know, you can always, like when I go to restaurants and stuff, you can always tell that I served and I bartended for a while because I stack everything up.
joe rogan
Nice.
punkie johnson
They're like, will you chill?
I'm like, it's habit.
I just clean the fucking table for the people.
They just come pick the shit up.
And then I try my hardest to tip at least 50%.
And I also get that from you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
I'm like, you know, Joe, come in.
He showed mad love.
He was the reason why we made money a lot of nights.
And so I just try to pay that back.
joe rogan
It feels good.
I tell people it's like you're leaving love bombs.
Leaving a love bomb.
Even if you're not even there to watch it go off.
I like to get out of the room before they even see the tip.
Just enjoy that.
punkie johnson
I mean, I can't do it all the time.
But sometimes I'm with my girl and I'm like, I mean, especially if the people were incredible.
I look at my girl, I'm like, we blessing these people tonight?
She'd be like, bless them, baby.
joe rogan
It's even better.
Even better if you say it that way.
punkie johnson
Like you said, I don't need to stay and see their reactions.
joe rogan
I think that's missing in cultures where they don't tip.
I think the problem with tipping is that you could still pay someone like two bucks an hour, which is kind of crazy.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
Two bucks an hour is so crazy.
punkie johnson
Especially if you don't have a job in New York, because I think you can do that in New York.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of places you could do that.
punkie johnson
What I mean is, if you do it in New York, I don't think it matters because people in New York, they just have this sense.
They just know the tip.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
punkie johnson
They just know the show love.
joe rogan
It's an East Coast thing.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, you know, a lot of people in the East Coast are tippers.
punkie johnson
I like that about these.
I love the East Coast.
I don't think I'm going back to the West Coast.
joe rogan
I think the problem with the West Coast is too many people are trying to be famous.
And when you get too many people trying to be famous, you have like a high percentage of narcissists and a high percentage of sociopaths.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't mean it's like all of them, but it's like, what's the average, the percentage of sociopaths?
I think they say it's like 10% or something like that or 4%.
punkie johnson
That's it?
joe rogan
I feel like it's way more.
I don't know how they really know.
They do it based on a sample size.
I don't know if they really know the actual numbers.
But that's the estimate, right?
And if you go to a place like Hollywood, you've got to imagine that most of the people that go there, the people that move there, they move there to either be a part of the business, like to be a producer or a director or something, or they want to be in front of the camera.
Or they want to be famous, they don't even know how.
And they'll try to figure out a thing.
Like, you've seen people go, they go from acting, and then they're acting for a while, and then they say, you know what, I'm gonna do stand-up.
We've seen a lot of those, right?
And then they just, they don't really love stand-up.
What they really love is getting attention.
They got broken when they were younger.
They have a hole inside of them that they need to constantly fill up with other people's attention.
And they'll pretend to be someone to get attention.
Which is the fucked up thing about auditioning.
Because you take a person who's like super insecure, wants to come to Hollywood for validation, and then you have this process where you have to beg people to like you.
You have to go in there and put on your best show and hope these people like you, which completely changes the way people behave.
Because those people that are so desperate for success or really want to make it, they start behaving and thinking in a way that they think is going to get them successful in their business.
And they can't express unique or individual opinions on things.
They can't have controversial views.
You're not allowed to.
You won't get a gig.
And so you have all these people that just, they become like this sort of Hollywood ideology espousers.
They just become these people that talk the same way.
Like you see them, they say, like when they see you, they don't say, nice to meet you, punky.
They say, good to see you.
Good to see you because maybe they've seen you already.
Maybe they forgot.
So instead of just saying, nice to meet you, oh, we met.
Oh, I'm sorry, when did we meet?
Instead of having a real moment, it's good to see you.
Everything's good to see you.
It's fucking weird.
They're like little robots.
Who the fuck says good to see you?
If you brought a friend over and the friend says, hi, this is my friend Punky.
Hi, Punky, good to see you.
Good to see you.
What kind of weird people are you bringing over here?
What the fuck is going on?
Good to see me.
Yeah, it's good to see.
It's good to hear you too.
punkie johnson
It's so crazy.
I never thought about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that flavors the vibe of the city because it's the number one industry or at least the most famous industry in Los Angeles is the television and film industry and then of course the music business which is kind of similar I mean when the record days in the record days in the radio days when it was really important You had to impress these people that were the record executives,
and you had to impress these people who were the radio executives, because they would play your music, and they would pick you.
And there were so many people they could pick, and they would pick you, and they had these predatory relationships where they'd take an enormous amount of the money that you made.
And that was the only way you're going to make it.
How else are you going to make it?
You've got to go through the system.
And a lot of people who made it through, like Prince, He had to change his fucking name because he couldn't perform into the name Prince.
He had to use that crazy logo.
punkie johnson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy that he pulled it off, though.
He's like, I got an idea, bitch.
punkie johnson
I'm so famous.
joe rogan
Everybody knows who the fuck this is.
punkie johnson
Also, it's like, I'm me.
joe rogan
And he did it before social media.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
unidentified
You know?
joe rogan
Like, Kanye could change his name every week and people would keep up.
punkie johnson
Kanye could do whatever he want.
joe rogan
He could change his name every week.
punkie johnson
Kanye done did some shit.
Kanye's still poppin'.
They got some people that's just...
joe rogan
They took a big chunk out of his income.
Like, what has happened?
punkie johnson
Kanye done said some shit and done some shit.
I mean, some shit that done pissed me off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
But he's not gonna go away.
joe rogan
He's too talented.
punkie johnson
You know, he's...
joe rogan
I don't think he's a bad person.
I think Kanye, the mistakes that he's made, I think he'll be pretty honest about it.
He's mentally ill.
And that mental illness allows him to have insane productivity with music.
You can call it illness, or you could instead say he's got this gift.
And this gift sometimes fucking shoots off live rounds in all sorts of different directions.
But what it can do is produce some of the best fucking music ever.
Fucking amazing jams where you listen to them and you forget sometimes.
Someone will play one.
You go, oh shit, I forgot about this one.
Kanye had some bangers.
Like that mind that creates those bangers also says crazy shit about Hitler.
punkie johnson
Hey, what are you doing?
unidentified
Why would you say that?
joe rogan
And I think also, when he gets embattled, the problem is he wants to fight back.
I think part of the reason why he became a big Trump fan is because Obama called him a jackass.
I really believe that.
punkie johnson
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Yes, I really believe that.
Because you've got to imagine having the President of the United States refer to you as a jackass.
The first black president of the United States?
In my life, other than Kennedy, who's a better spokesman?
Who's a better statesman than Obama?
Who's like the most impressive of all presidents?
Well, you'd look to a guy and say, the way that guy thinks and talks, that's a leader.
That's a real president of the United States.
So I think that shit stuck in his head.
punkie johnson
I hear petty.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, he's petty.
I mean, you can tell he's petty.
unidentified
You see the shit that he writes about Pete Davidson?
punkie johnson
He's ruthless.
joe rogan
He's petty.
But that's also the same mind.
That's the same mind that makes him be insanely prolific.
That's the same mind that has this genius association to sound and music.
It's the same mind.
punkie johnson
I'm just glad he done simmered down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he doesn't have a place to...
punkie johnson
Well, I don't want to speak too soon.
joe rogan
He doesn't have a place to blow it off anymore, which I also think is not good.
I think it's probably better to just let him say ridiculous shit on Twitter and let people refute it.
I don't think it's a good move to eliminate a guy like that from being able to communicate.
I don't think that's the problem.
And I don't think he should be medicated either, which is even crazier, because when he was medicated, remember he was all slow and he got chubby.
You remember?
punkie johnson
I didn't know that he was on medication at that time.
joe rogan
They put him on some heavy shit.
punkie johnson
Well, you know what?
I can assume that people like him have to be medicated.
I just feel like billionaires sometimes.
They have nothing else to do.
joe rogan
But get medicated?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
Because it's like you've done everything.
You've seen everything.
You've won all the awards.
You've married what the world considers the baddest bitch.
You have...
It's like, what else is there for you to fucking do?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to get medicated.
punkie johnson
You know what I'm saying?
But that's what I'm saying.
He probably got medicated because he had nothing else to do.
So he started doing shit that he probably wasn't supposed to do.
They're like, all right, let's come.
Here, pop this.
joe rogan
Well, I think, you know, people around him were concerned because he gets manic.
But that manic, crazy energy is also what comes out in his music.
I mean, talking to him is wild because when you're having a conversation with him, like when I did a podcast with him, it's like you can see in some people.
Where their mind is like a runaway train It's like a runaway train and ideas are coming in way faster than they're coming into my mind They're coming in and going and he'll go from one idea the next idea and people say yeah, he's rambling, but I'm like But is he?
Or is he just sort of like he's being infused with way more ideas than we are?
Like Elon's the same way.
When you're talking to Elon, when I was talking to him, I was like, what is going on behind those eyes?
How many different thought processes do you have running simultaneously?
That guy never wants to stop.
He's always got new ideas and thinking.
He's always innovating and creating.
It's a different kind of way of thinking.
And I don't think you get it, and I don't think I get it.
punkie johnson
I damn sure don't get it.
I don't get it.
I just rather Kanye keep all his shit in his music.
He gotta stop saying some wild ass shit.
joe rogan
But he says, sometimes he says wild shit that's really interesting.
Like on my podcast he goes, how much is the earth?
Like if I wanted to buy the earth, how much does the earth cost?
If all land costs money.
punkie johnson
That's good money shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's like, if land costs money, could someone have enough money that could buy the whole earth?
I was like, oh shit.
Like that sounds ridiculous, but if someone like Jeff Bezos has like 200 billion dollars, like that's so much fucking money.
Like what's to stop someone from having 200 trillion and how much is the earth?
How much is the whole earth?
What is it?
What if the whole earth is only $100 trillion?
You can own it all.
Everybody has to pay your rent.
punkie johnson
Also, if the earth for sale, who's selling it, motherfucker?
Who's buying it?
joe rogan
Someone would have to make every single person an impossible offer.
They'd have to make every single person an offer that you could not refuse.
That's so much money that every single person on the planet has to say yes.
punkie johnson
I would think that that'll be a good investment, owning the earth.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think the only way someone's going to own the earth is stealing it.
They're just going to force eminent domain, force people out of air.
That's how people own the earth.
I don't think they're ever going to own the earth by buying it.
But Kanye having that idea, like, how much does the earth cost?
I'm like, how the fuck?
I've never thought of that.
punkie johnson
I hope he keep his wild ass ideas and thoughts there.
It's not talking about human beings.
joe rogan
Sometimes dudes like that need somebody to bounce shit off of too.
They need a more reasonable crazy person that's with them that can go, slow down, brother.
I hear you, but slow down.
punkie johnson
With Elon Musk, I know people have their thoughts about him, but I had a very great personal conversation with him.
And I think people forget that these people that have all this money and these people that are so smart, these people that are on TV, they're human beings and they have real lives.
And me and Elon talked about his family and his children.
And that's when I was like, okay, this is a real person.
This guy has a heart.
I think he's actually a good guy.
If you sit down and you have an actual conversation with him, just like off the record.
joe rogan
I love him.
I love talking to him.
He's a wonderful person.
He's just super genius.
Just a ridiculously smart person.
But he's a human being like we all are.
We're all human beings.
And you can forget that when you see some dude who's making rockets and making electric cars and satellites and fucking trying to fix traffic.
You forget that's just a human being.
punkie johnson
I also thought he was going to leave everybody at SNL or Tesla.
Because the host, they leave us gifts, slippers, shoes, hoodies.
unidentified
Oh, that's hilarious.
punkie johnson
Sometimes we'll come to work after that Saturday.
We have a whole bunch of catered food.
Oh, this food from Jack, hello.
This food from such and such.
So I was like, you know what?
What if Elon leaves his hotel?
That was wrong.
joe rogan
That's so many Teslas.
How many Teslas would that be?
For how many people?
punkie johnson
I think it would have been at the time when he came, I think it would have been 22 Teslas.
unidentified
Jesus Christ!
joe rogan
They probably have a back order on those things anyway.
Cars are, I don't know if they've sorted that out yet with new cars, but with new cars there was a backlog on new cars because of chips.
There's like a problem getting the chips, the computer chips, which are in every fucking car now.
punkie johnson
Ah, is the computer chips the, like the, um, so you can know where the car is?
joe rogan
No, so the computer works with the emission system and everything is computerized now.
Oh, okay.
And then also there's an operating system that runs like Apple CarPlay, Android CarPlay.
punkie johnson
I don't know shit about cars.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I'm a car nut.
punkie johnson
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
But the new ones are confusing to me.
I get that all that stuff is important, but it's confusing that we don't even make a lot of that shit over here.
A lot of the chips, they're making them overseas.
punkie johnson
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah, so I think Elon's working on making chips here, and Samsung is working on making chips here, but I think a lot of that was exposed during the pandemic, that a lot of chips are being made overseas, and they need them for cars.
So there's a big delay for a lot of different manufacturers.
So probably a lot of them are looking at, trying to figure out a way, but...
I had Sagar and Crystal from Breaking Points on the other day, and Sagar was explaining it in depth, and he was saying that that shit takes like 10 years.
Like when you want to start a factory and start building computer chips in America, that's like 10 years from now you can.
punkie johnson
Goddamn!
joe rogan
That shit takes forever.
punkie johnson
Yeah, that's why I say technology confuses me, politics confuses me.
Those are two things I like to just...
unidentified
They're good.
punkie johnson
Like when I go buy a car...
It's so simple and fast with me.
I go in the lot.
I be like, I want that one.
They say, okay.
I be in and I be out.
They give me a price.
If I like it, I like it.
If I don't, I don't.
I be like, nah.
Well, we can't go down no more.
I bet.
I'm gonna go down the road then.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Well, what's up?
I say, this is what I want.
This is how much I want to pay for it.
And I don't want to get in that room and then you offer me all kind of other shit.
I want the tires included.
I want the oil included.
I want the fucking windshield included.
And when I get in that office, I want it to still be that price.
joe rogan
Do you remember that?
Did you see the movie Fargo?
You ever seen that movie?
punkie johnson
Is that Ben Affleck?
joe rogan
No, Fargo is Steve Buscemi and it's a Coen Brothers movie.
Frances McDormand.
punkie johnson
I don't know why I'm seeing Ben Affleck in a suit.
I don't know.
joe rogan
But there's a hilarious scene where, what is the gentleman's name, the redheaded guy?
jamie vernon
William H. Macy.
joe rogan
William H. Macy, who's hilarious.
In this movie, he's trying to sell the undercarriage treatment.
Like, he's trying to sell it to these people, like, as an upgrade to the car, and they're like, we don't want that.
And then he's like, well, I already added it on.
And then there's like this big, like, why the fuck did you add it on?
I didn't export it.
I'm not paying for that.
It's really funny, man.
punkie johnson
Oh, I gotta see it then.
joe rogan
Because there's so many of those salesmen that do that.
They're like, dude, please stop.
Stop with this upselling.
punkie johnson
I like warranties.
I'll take warranty.
Because I like the least cause.
Because every three years, I want another one.
I'll lease it.
I ain't got to own it.
unidentified
Fuck it.
joe rogan
That's smart.
punkie johnson
I don't give a shit.
I want a new one.
joe rogan
What are you driving?
punkie johnson
I'm in a Jeep Wrangler right now.
joe rogan
Oh, those are great.
punkie johnson
Oh, I love that motherfucker.
joe rogan
Look how many Jeeps there are on the road.
I mean, think about how long Jeep's been around for.
They nailed that shape so good, they don't even change it.
punkie johnson
Man, the tires are this big.
I'm riding up high.
I'm going over the neutral ground.
joe rogan
That's a real four-wheel drive vehicle you can drive anywhere.
Like, you could go somewhere in a Jeep.
You could go off-road.
You're in the woods.
punkie johnson
On-road.
Sand.
joe rogan
They nailed that shape.
I mean, when they first started making Jeeps, like, what year was that?
jamie vernon
It looks the same as the 80s.
joe rogan
Yeah!
It looks fucking great though.
It's a great shape.
punkie johnson
Oh yeah, I love it.
I got a wheelie.
joe rogan
They're so reliable too.
I mean, because it's a durable off-road vehicle, there's a lot of shit you don't have to worry about if you get a Jeep.
You have to worry about with cars.
You can run over something.
You can run over stupid shit that's in the road or bounce over a little divot in the ground.
It's not as big a deal.
punkie johnson
That's why I'm like, I want all the warranties included in the note.
joe rogan
If I lived in the East Coast, for sure I'd have a Jeep.
punkie johnson
Oh, 100%.
joe rogan
Because it's the snow and the potholes.
The potholes are a big one.
You need some sort of a rugged four-wheel drive vehicle if you want to get through a winter there.
punkie johnson
I don't slow down on the potholes either.
That Jeep be manhandling the potholes.
It absorbs them.
joe rogan
You know what I like too?
That new Bronco.
Ford figured out a new Bronco.
punkie johnson
You know, I'm a Bronco fan, but I'm not a fan of the body of the new ones.
joe rogan
How dare you?
punkie johnson
Let me pull it.
Can you pull it up?
Let me look at it.
joe rogan
Do you remember my 72 Bronco?
punkie johnson
No, that's the type.
That's the Bronco.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That one I used to bring to the store all the time.
jamie vernon
Too many choices for this new one.
joe rogan
Too many choices.
That's an old one, brother.
The one you have your cursor over.
jamie vernon
I just typed in Ford Bronco.
joe rogan
Oh, I know.
I said.
jamie vernon
I drove one and it sucked, but it wasn't the good one.
I know there's better versions of it.
joe rogan
It sucked, really?
jamie vernon
It was a baseline rental car version.
joe rogan
Oh, not good?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Well, go back to that link that you were just looking at and click on that one that says the Raptor.
There's a Bronco Raptor right below that.
The black one, sorry, all black.
To the left of that.
You were almost there.
To the left of that.
Yeah, that one.
That's a Bronco Raptor.
punkie johnson
Okay, alright.
joe rogan
So that's a regular Bronco with like a beefier setup and a heavy-duty engine.
punkie johnson
Okay.
joe rogan
I think that has like, what does that have for horsepower?
Something crazy.
But Jeep has one like that, too.
Jeep has like a...
punkie johnson
Now see, I like that.
I ain't gonna lie.
I do like that one.
joe rogan
What does it have for horsepower?
Does it say?
jamie vernon
I'm sure it will.
joe rogan
I don't want to over-exaggerate, but I think it's in the neighborhood of 500 horsepower.
Zero to 60 in 5.2 seconds.
jamie vernon
Damn!
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
That's a lot.
That's plenty.
Oh, it only has 418?
So what is it about 500 to 600?
unidentified
It doesn't put up with SUVs that have horsepower in the 500. Oh, it doesn't put it up with SUVs.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Well, there's a bunch of people that do shit to those things, too.
But that's real similar to the V8, the big V8 that's in the Wrangler, too.
punkie johnson
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
But the point is, like, those cars, that's a similar sort of thing.
punkie johnson
The only thing is, like, the Jeep, you can't recklessly drive the Jeep.
It'll flip on your ass.
You can't just be sitting up there spinning the curb and busting the whip.
Nah.
joe rogan
It's not good for handling.
punkie johnson
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, drive normal, you freak.
punkie johnson
Yeah, drive normal in your Jeep, because it reminds me of the Xterra, just like...
joe rogan
Yeah, they're top-heavy.
Imagine a sprinter van trying to do laps in a sprinter van, those ridiculous things.
punkie johnson
Oh my god.
unidentified
Well, you'll kill yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, those aren't good.
punkie johnson
Well, you can't.
joe rogan
Who has a podcast set up in a sprinter van?
Doesn't someone have one?
Steve-O. Steve-O, yeah.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Steve-O has a sprinter van that's set up as a podcast studio.
punkie johnson
Oh, that's dope.
joe rogan
He travels around with it and just films his podcast in the back of it.
punkie johnson
Okay, I might have to check that out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great idea.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
I had a friend, Ron Taylor.
Well, he's still my friend.
I didn't had.
He's my friend.
He used to do, like, cooking tutorials in his van.
He would have, like, a little, what do you call it?
A little kitchenette?
Yeah, like a little hot pot or whatever you call that shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, like a little hot plate situation that you use for a dorm room and here I invite guests and we'll cook and we'll talk.
And you cook in the back of the van together and you talk about what you're cooking.
Then we both go sit in the driver's seat and passenger seat and we finish the podcast.
Nice.
I'm like, Ron, this needs to be a television show.
joe rogan
That's a good idea.
punkie johnson
I'm still trying to figure out why it ain't on TV right now.
I'm like, Ron, what are you doing?
joe rogan
Well, there's something cool about getting by with a limited resource.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little hot pot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everyone working together.
punkie johnson
But he cooking gourmet meals.
joe rogan
Really?
punkie johnson
This motherfucker up in there making lobster.
Really?
unidentified
Pasta.
punkie johnson
I remember he made a big thing of meat sauce, spaghetti, broccoli.
He not making noodles and cheese.
This motherfucker cooking.
I'm like, let's go.
joe rogan
Well, and then Burt has that show Something's Burning, which is a hilarious show.
punkie johnson
I think I saw an episode of Burt.
joe rogan
You gotta be on that.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I'm gonna have to hit Burt up.
unidentified
How about you and me together?
joe rogan
Because I'm supposed to do it.
punkie johnson
Alright, let's do it.
joe rogan
Hit Burt up.
You and me together on Something's Burning.
punkie johnson
So I'm guessing Burt be fucking everything up, huh?
joe rogan
No, he's good.
He loves food.
He knows how to cook a little bit.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I just saw Burt, man.
That man, he is out there killing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love Burt.
punkie johnson
Shirt off.
joe rogan
I love that he's blowing up and he's 100% himself.
That's who authentically Burt Kreischer is.
I love it.
punkie johnson
He gets his wife on the line for the shows.
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
And that's good.
I think his wife gonna be on the phone.
Look at that.
Look at that.
joe rogan
He's selling out arenas.
He's killing it.
punkie johnson
Killing his beer.
I think my homeboy...
Steven Fury was opening up for him for a while, probably still doing it.
joe rogan
I called Burt up once.
He answered the phone.
He was on a motorcycle in Vietnam.
I go, what are you doing?
And he goes, I'm over here riding a motorcycle in Vietnam, filming my channel show.
And I go, dude, you need to quit that fucking show.
You need to quit that show and be a comic.
He goes, really?
I go, yeah.
I go, you're too funny.
You're too funny, man, to be on a travel channel show.
I mean, it's a great gig, but I think you got everything out of it that you're ever going to get out of it.
And I think it's holding you back now.
You take months and months off of stand-up where you have to tour to travel and do this show.
It's a good show and it's a good gig, but you can do a lot better.
Like, you can do way better with stand-up and podcasts.
And he listened.
punkie johnson
So this was back in the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was back in the day when he was on Bert the Conqueror and there was another show where Hurt Bert was terrible.
They were hurting him in every episode.
Every episode people would choke him unconscious, hit him with a bat.
It was so ridiculous.
It was different stunts and things that he would do.
He did that for a little while.
That's a dangerous path.
The jackass path.
Those guys are all beat up.
Physically, you get fucking hurt bad doing that.
punkie johnson
You get hurt bad.
Animal show's dangerous.
Fuck that!
joe rogan
I had Steve-O on and he showed a video once of him on a tree and lions climbed up the tree and were fucking with him.
And they took his hat.
They knocked his hat off.
And I was like, oh my god, those are real lions, dude.
This is in Africa.
Real lions.
Not tame lions at some fucking circus.
punkie johnson
I ain't never going up.
Never.
Ever.
Ever.
I don't really like the zoo like talking about it.
joe rogan
I don't like the zoo.
I don't like the zoo.
punkie johnson
The animals are wild.
They need to be free.
joe rogan
Exactly.
punkie johnson
And everybody can all surprise when things happen.
They're fucking animals.
joe rogan
It's very confusing, right?
Because you're like, well, where do we put them?
And that's a good point.
And how do you make sure that they keep off the endangered species list?
That's a good point, too.
But that is hell.
Especially for the primates.
I was in Denver once.
I'll never forget this.
I was walking with my family.
Because when my kids were real little, I loved to take them to the zoo.
Because they're so fascinated.
I mean, it's horrible that you're supporting this thing.
But selfishly, I was like, look, it exists.
It exists already.
There's nothing I can do about it.
And I'm not going to stop them from...
If I stand up and say, I'm not going to pay, it's still going to be there.
And I want my kids to see these animals.
It's a weird experience.
And this primate, I don't know what kind of monkey it was, but it was in its cage, and it was screaming like a crazy person in prison, like, NOOOOO! That's what it felt like.
And I told my wife, I was like, I go, this is depressing.
I'm like, I gotta get away from this.
I'm like, this is really bumming me out.
punkie johnson
We gotta free these animals.
I honestly want, like, the way I envision my life, right?
Like, I want, if it was up to me, I would have a ranch in a town, a country town, where the next grocery store is 20-30 minutes out.
Like, I just want to live away.
joe rogan
This is your spot then, Punky.
punkie johnson
Right.
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
You need to come to Texas.
punkie johnson
I just want to live away, Joe.
joe rogan
That's how people live out here.
punkie johnson
I want a ranch-style home.
unidentified
Let's go.
joe rogan
Let's go, Punky.
punkie johnson
I want about an acre of land, not too much.
joe rogan
I'm going to teach you how to bow hunt.
punkie johnson
Oh, I need to go hunting with you.
joe rogan
Let's go.
punkie johnson
I wrote a sketch about hunting with Joe Rogan, okay?
Something happened that I had to shelf it that week, but it was a Thanksgiving sketch about hunting with Joe Rogan.
And it was you just like killing all of these exotic animals.
And we would just see these people in the woods who were kind of just like touring, not killing.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
punkie johnson
You was just a wild man.
It was crazy.
I wanted to get you down to like, but whatever, whatever.
I'll bring that sketch back.
And we had to shelf it that week.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Sketches are fun, but it'd be more fun to actually take you hunting for real.
punkie johnson
I gotta do it.
joe rogan
Have you ever shot a gun before?
punkie johnson
Oh, my parents are NOP. Well, they retired.
joe rogan
Yeah?
punkie johnson
Yes, yes.
My mother worked for the Levy District Police, and my father was actual NOPD. For a long time, he retired, and now he runs the security for the hospital because my mama made him go back to work.
But, yeah, I was raised around...
I remember I bought my first gun.
And I was so excited.
I called my dad.
I was like, I bought my first gun.
He was like, yeah, what you got?
Was that in LA? No, no, no.
This was in New Orleans.
I was like, I bought my first gun.
He was like, for real?
He was like, what you got?
I said, I got a nine.
He was like...
Fucking bitch-ass gun.
unidentified
Wow.
That's hardcore.
punkie johnson
He was like a nine.
joe rogan
What did he want you to get?
A 45?
punkie johnson
40, 45. Jesus.
Something just...
I was thinking lighter.
He was like, nah.
He was like, the heavier it is, the better it is.
He's like, 45...
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
But you know, it's like, he always made sure we were responsible.
Like, don't be out here stupid with this gun.
Keep it locked up.
Keep it safe.
Go to the range.
Understand your weapon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Don't be out here wilding out.
Don't use it to stunt.
Don't use it, you know, for no validation in the hood.
We don't have guns for all of that in my family.
It's for the house.
joe rogan
I saw the most fucked up video.
punkie johnson
What?
joe rogan
There's so many fucked up videos of people getting shot on Instagram now.
But I saw this one where these people were playing in a car and this girl pulls out her gun and accidentally shoots her friend in the head.
punkie johnson
I hate that.
joe rogan
And he just like slumps over and dies like right on the street.
She was just...
Pulling out a gun to show it.
And they were all casual and laughing.
And bang!
The gun goes off.
punkie johnson
It's careless.
She don't know what she's doing.
It's just careless.
And you're going to jail.
Even though it was an accident, you're going to jail.
And he's dead.
joe rogan
And a man's dead.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
It wasn't intentional, but you killed somebody.
joe rogan
It was horrible.
punkie johnson
My thing is, if you're gonna have a weapon, be responsible with it.
Learn how to use it.
Learn how to take it apart.
Clean it.
Put your bullets in there.
Just learn about your weapon.
joe rogan
I was just thinking how ridiculous it was that Clint Eastwood had a movie where the star of the movie was that he had the biggest gun.
He had a.44 Magnum.
Remember?
Did you ever watch Dirty Harry?
punkie johnson
No.
joe rogan
That was the whole premise of the movie.
Everybody else had a.38.
He's got a.44.
unidentified
He might think, did I shoot all those bullets or did I not?
punkie johnson
Do you feel lucky, punk?
I might have to write that one now.
I gotta watch that one.
joe rogan
It's a corny ass movie.
And it's a movie that, if you watch it now, it's so dated.
So go to the scene where Clint Eastwood says, do you feel lucky?
From Dirty Harry.
Where the guy is like, the guy's like a cartoonish bad guy.
Like the most evil cartoonish bad guy.
And Clint Eastwood gives him this, do you feel lucky?
Well, do you, punk?
And then he fucking, of course he shoots him.
This is a classic scene.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
I know what you're thinking.
I know what you're thinking.
Did he fire six shots or only five?
Well, to tell you the truth in all this excitement, I've kind of lost track myself.
But Ian, this is a.44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off.
You've got to ask yourself one question.
Do I feel lucky?
Well do you, punk?
Hey I gots to know What the fuck?
*laughter* That was that.
joe rogan
He wanted to know whether or not he had the bullets?
See, I remember this entirely wrong.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
I thought it was a Mexican dude.
I remember this entirely wrong.
In my mind, it was a Mexican dude and he shot him.
punkie johnson
I'm just laughing and I gots to know.
unidentified
I gots to know.
joe rogan
So crazy.
So crazy.
That dude probably spoke like Sidney Poitier and they gave him that role.
unidentified
That was hilarious.
punkie johnson
I wouldn't have wanted to know shit.
joe rogan
Those movies back then were so corny.
Oh, that's the other one.
That's the other one.
This is the one.
He's got multiple ones.
Do you feel lucky punk part two?
Go back to the beginning because I gotta hear him say it.
unidentified
I don't think he said it yet here.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, he said it.
No?
unidentified
No, no.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
jamie vernon
Doesn't seem like there's much going on here.
joe rogan
Oh, he's holding the guy.
jamie vernon
There it is.
unidentified
See, he sits the same line.
Yes.
What the fuck is this?
More intense.
joe rogan
Oh, he feels lucky.
unidentified
Oh.
Oh.
Okay, I'll come.
Thank you.
joe rogan
That was the one I kind of remember.
jamie vernon
Does it happen?
joe rogan
I remember that wrong.
It's so funny.
I haven't seen that movie in probably 20 years.
jamie vernon
That was in the same movie.
joe rogan
More than 20 years.
That was in the same movie?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
No fucking way.
He said it twice?
jamie vernon
Both?
Unless they made Dirty Harry more than once.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't they?
They need to do it now when he's a thousand years old.
unidentified
Do you feel lucky?
punkie johnson
How do you, punk?
joe rogan
Meanwhile, that dude also did The Unforgiven, which is like the greatest western of all time.
Like, he did a lot of corny-ass movies, but he also did some fucking amazing movies, man.
punkie johnson
I gotta take some time and watch some old movies.
I just have to.
See, I just have this crazy obsession with two things that I watch over and over again.
unidentified
What's that?
punkie johnson
Freaking Grey's Anatomy and Walking Dead.
Like, that's it.
I'll watch all of that and then I'll go back to Walking Dead.
I have got to stop.
It's a problem.
joe rogan
I can't watch The Walking Dead more than once because I know what happens.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
I start falling in love with characters.
unidentified
Oh no.
punkie johnson
So that's my problem.
And I just be missing them and gotta see them.
I know, I know, I know.
joe rogan
Do you know what I started?
The Last of Us, the new HBO one?
jamie vernon
I'm gonna go ahead and say he says this in all of these movies.
unidentified
Oh my god!
joe rogan
So there's five of them?
jamie vernon
At least.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
From 71 to 88 he made those movies.
punkie johnson
Wow.
joe rogan
That's insane.
The Enforcer.
unidentified
Magnum Force.
joe rogan
Sudden impact.
punkie johnson
Clint.
joe rogan
Bro, those movies are awesome.
But you know what's even more awesome?
You know what I've been watching on YouTube?
Dudes who review the latest Steven Seagal movies.
You know, look, Above the Law is the shit.
I still maintain to this day, Above the Law is a great fucking action movie.
jamie vernon
Jim Carrey's in one of these.
punkie johnson
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
He lip synced to Guns N' Roses in a Clint Eastwood movie.
punkie johnson
Love it.
joe rogan
So that was in the 70s or the 80s probably?
jamie vernon
That was the 88 one.
joe rogan
Okay.
punkie johnson
Love the law.
joe rogan
So the early Steven Seagal movies were legit.
They were great.
They were fun.
He looked like a bad motherfucker like I believed it I think it was like one of the most realistic Martial arts action films ever because he wasn't doing jump split kicks He was bashing people over the head with pool sticks and fucking breaking their arms and shit.
punkie johnson
It was more realistic See, I can fuck with the martial arts.
I love it.
I want to get into some Wing Chun.
You do?
Yeah, because I love Ip Man.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
punkie johnson
I've been watching a lot of that.
joe rogan
You want to learn it?
punkie johnson
I do, I do.
I find you in school.
So, I've been boxing going on for two years now.
I'm getting fast.
joe rogan
Boxing's better.
punkie johnson
I'm getting good.
I'm getting fast.
But I like the smoothness of Wing Chun.
Right.
I do like to box.
Boxing, to me, a lot of people try to rush it, but it's all in your feet.
Everybody try to create power when the power's in your legs.
I had to learn all of that as well.
And boxing isn't as easy as it looks.
joe rogan
Boxing does not look easy.
punkie johnson
Look, I would watch boxing and I'm like, I could do that.
joe rogan
Really?
punkie johnson
I used to.
And then I get in there and I find out I'm goofy.
My feet don't do what my feet's supposed to do.
You know?
It's a rhythm.
I had to learn all of that.
I had to get my feet together before I swung a punch.
I think that's the importance, but I want to learn some Wing Chun.
joe rogan
Wing Chun, it's interesting for blocking and stuff and trapping arms.
And there's a few moves that some guys do in MMA fights where it is really technically Wing Chun because they like block things and trap things and land shots over the top.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But if you're learning boxing, that's like the best thing you can learn in terms of like realistic self-defense with your hands.
Like, yeah, boxing is probably the best thing to learn.
punkie johnson
I wanted to fight when I was younger.
My mother never let me fight.
The reason why I'm boxing now is because she never let me.
I wanted to box.
I remember I was in the sixth grade and I had a friend named, I think his name was Carl.
And he was a fighter.
He was a fighter in the sixth grade.
And I was like, Ma, I want to fight.
She's like, no.
But I'm happy she said no, because I remember me and Tony Hinchcliffe was watching a fight.
I remember we was, it was like, I think it was right before COVID, actually.
And I forgot her name.
Joanna, I think?
joe rogan
Joanna Jacek?
Yeah.
The UFC fighter?
With the giant hole, the swollen head?
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Man, when I saw that, I think I called my mom and I was like, you was right.
You was right as I was growing up to not let me fight.
That looked crucial.
joe rogan
Yeah, that one was pretty rare, though.
That usually does not happen.
That happened once in a boxing match.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Hasim Rahman.
Yeah.
I'm not sure who he fought.
punkie johnson
He did that to somebody?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
His head.
Go to Hasim Rahman.
Hematoma.
Yeah, look at that.
Yeah.
What fight was that in?
Who was he fighting where that happened?
Holyfield.
That's right.
punkie johnson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Something happened and sometimes it happens off a headbutt.
Like sometimes dudes accidentally collide heads and then your tissue rips and then the inside of your head fills up with blood.
punkie johnson
No.
joe rogan
So it was a punch that did it.
Yeah, so it looks like it might have been like a little swollen already, and then he lands like a perfect punch.
If I remember this fight, it was like a crazy brawl.
Yeah, see like it looked like it was already a little swollen.
Like maybe they had collided heads or maybe another punch had done it.
But that's super, super rare.
punkie johnson
I'm gonna go on and guess he lost this fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, he lost that fight.
Good fighter though.
But that thing on Ioana, that was crazy.
That was just like, it turned her into like a character.
punkie johnson
Yeah, she looked up.
Immediately I thought, Elephant Man.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
punkie johnson
I was like, man.
I never even really went to...
unidentified
There it is.
joe rogan
You see her head.
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
Crazy.
punkie johnson
That's a totally different person, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Looks like it.
punkie johnson
But I'm pretty sure she's better.
I haven't seen her fight since then.
joe rogan
Did you see Madonna on stage last night?
punkie johnson
I didn't.
I was on a plane last night while the Grammys were on.
joe rogan
People are complaining about plastic surgery.
They're saying she looked like she had plastic surgery.
That's why I asked.
I haven't seen it.
Have you seen her?
jamie vernon
I did not see that.
joe rogan
You know what I did see, though, that's hilarious?
Someone is doing this scene where they play the devil and they're dancing around and they have fire behind them and all these devils.
And then when it ends, it says, Brought to you by Pfizer.
punkie johnson
Stop it.
Why?
joe rogan
Because Pfizer was advertising the Grammys.
punkie johnson
Why?
joe rogan
I don't think it's fake.
Is it?
jamie vernon
I'll check, but that sounds like it's fake.
joe rogan
Here, let me send it to you.
jamie vernon
It's too easy to make.
joe rogan
It's too easy to make.
You're right.
It is too easy to make.
I want to believe it's real.
jamie vernon
Well, hold on.
New York Post reporting.
joe rogan
The Grammys featured Sam Smith's demonic performance and was sponsored by Pfizer.
It really is true.
punkie johnson
Yo, that's random.
joe rogan
So this is, that is hilarious.
But this is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
So she could have got hoodwinked.
We've been hoodwinked before.
So look at this.
It's all the devil and...
Seems pretty legit.
It does.
jamie vernon
I have to check the broadcast.
joe rogan
This is what Marjorie Taylor Greene says.
Scroll back.
I'm reading it.
The Grammys featured Sam Smith's demonic performance and was sponsored by Pfizer and the satanic church now has an abortion clinic in New Mexico that requires its patients to perform a satanic ritual before services.
American Christians need to get to work.
Oh Jesus Christ.
I feel like with this kind of shit, I feel like someone is playing 3D chess.
Like someone in the World Economic Forum, some fucking billionaire that's running the world is like, I know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna get these people fighting over gender and who should take a shit in what bathroom and the Satanists are running the pizza place.
I'm gonna get these people fighting over this while I institute some sort of a gigantic global social credit score system.
And control all the money.
punkie johnson
That's just straight random and surprising as fuck to me.
That.
joe rogan
That?
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, brought to you by Pfizer is hilarious.
The fact that someone thought that was a good idea is hilarious.
Like, they had to know.
They had to know that that guy was going to pretend to be the devil.
They had to know that all the Christians like her are going to go, Lynn, the satanic abortion clinic is going to...
punkie johnson
I love when, like, Sam Smith and, uh, what's the other guy, uh, the black dude, uh, shit, I hate when I have these, uh, brain fucks.
Lil Nas X. Oh, he had the, he had the uptown road.
Yeah, Lil Nas X. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love when they fuck with people, doing the devil shit, like, didn't he have, like, the devil's blood or some shit?
unidentified
No, he was giving the devil a lap dance.
joe rogan
He gave the devil a lap dance.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I just love it.
But the shoes aren't really devil's blood.
But he really did give the devil a lap dance in his music video.
That's when they went crazy.
punkie johnson
It pisses America off so bad.
It's like, don't you see he's doing this shit to, like, fuck with you?
Yeah.
It's hilarious.
They have guts, though.
I don't want to fight against America.
I just want to sit on my ranch with my three rocks.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Right-wingers meltdown over satanic Pfizer-sponsored Grammys.
Jesus Christ.
Of course they did.
But this is what I'm saying.
I almost feel like this is too on the nose.
I almost feel like we're all being played.
Like we're being played against each other while these people are just finding ways to control us and control all the money.
I feel like this is all fake.
I know it's real.
I know that was a real song.
I know that's a real commercial afterwards, but it just seems so stupid.
It seems so stupid.
It's almost like if AI is real already, if artificial intelligence is real already and it's manipulating us, that's how it manipulates us.
Just get us to fight over the dumbest shit.
punkie johnson
Well, I was seeing that.
Didn't they create these people that look like real people that aren't real people?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Well, they're doing it with images already.
We brought up some of them the other day where there was a few errors in some of the images where you could see that arms were in the wrong place, the wrong kind of...
People's arms were detached from their body and shit.
But they'll fix that.
They'll fix all those things.
And then it'll be Vidigo.
It'll be a person that's indistinguishable from a real person.
It'll be on video talking to you, calling you up.
Hey, Punky.
We're going to do this and that and just love to see you again.
You'd be like, wow, this is weird.
I have these feelings like this is a real person.
This isn't even a real person.
punkie johnson
Now, if I see one of them motherfuckers in person, that's a big problem.
joe rogan
They're probably going to be in person.
punkie johnson
I know that.
joe rogan
It's a matter of time.
punkie johnson
See, this is why I like to stay my ass inside and mind my business.
I have my little drink in my two-step.
I watch my little Grey's Anatomy on my Walking Dead, and I'll be with my bitch.
I ain't got time.
I go to work.
I go home.
I don't be outside.
joe rogan
I think we're the last.
We're the last of the real people, punky.
punkie johnson
I just can't.
joe rogan
I think there's like one or two more generations of us, and then people are robots.
punkie johnson
I just, I don't want to be around none of that shit.
I just want to stay inside.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're gonna.
punkie johnson
I'm happy.
joe rogan
You're gonna be around it.
punkie johnson
I probably ain't gonna have no damn choice.
joe rogan
There's gonna be robots knocking on your door trying to sell you insurance, and you're gonna be going, I don't fucking believe this.
punkie johnson
And if you don't buy it, they're going to pull a gun out, a weapon out on your ass?
joe rogan
No, you can insult the robot.
It doesn't hurt their feelings.
You think.
Until one day.
One day when the robots revolt.
Robots holding you down.
Remember that time you were talking shit?
I was trying to sell insurance.
You're like, oh no!
punkie johnson
Had these mini RoboCops running around.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like iRobot.
Remember when iRobot displayed emotions?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
I think that might be the scary part.
joe rogan
That's the scary part.
punkie johnson
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
If they start getting petty.
Imagine if robots get petty.
You know?
punkie johnson
Shit, I might write that.
joe rogan
Yeah, why not?
Write that.
punkie johnson
Petty robot.
joe rogan
That's the thing you have to do with SNL, right?
You have to constantly be coming up ideas for sketches, huh?
punkie johnson
Yeah, a lot of people don't get how, I think, mentally frustrating.
Not frustrating, mentally exhausting.
Yeah, I get exhausted with SNL a lot.
Taxing.
Ask me to write a pilot, I'll write you a pilot.
I'll have fun with it.
But a sketch is a different world.
It's a different world.
It's a different ballgame.
joe rogan
It's not my world.
punkie johnson
You know, SNL is a very hard job.
joe rogan
Very hard job.
punkie johnson
It's not...
I mean, it's hard mentally.
It's hard physically.
It's hard...
Man, it's hard.
Now, let me tell you something.
The perks are great.
I have a whole bunch of fun.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
punkie johnson
I have fun with those people in there.
I have fun creating relationships.
I have fun...
joe rogan
You're also a part of a group that includes Eddie Murphy, John Belushi, Gilda Radner, Dan Aykroyd.
Phil Hartman.
punkie johnson
That feels good.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
I mean, that's a crazy legacy.
Chris Rock.
punkie johnson
I walked through that building.
I walked through the building.
joe rogan
Norm MacDonald.
punkie johnson
Like it's the palm trees every day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's wild.
punkie johnson
Every day I'm like, what the fuck are you doing here, bitch?
joe rogan
Wild.
punkie johnson
Still, in my third year.
joe rogan
How do you write?
Do you write in front of a computer?
Do you just sit around and write things down when they come to you?
What do you do?
punkie johnson
Well, it's very fast, right?
The turnover over there is fast.
So it's like you do the show Saturday, Sunday.
You can rest your mind if you want to, but you got to have something cooking and boiling inside of your brain about Sunday night.
So then Monday we go, we pitch, we meet the hosts, and then we pitch ideas.
joe rogan
So what's a Sunday for you like?
punkie johnson
Sleep.
Sleep.
No liquor.
I eat whatever I want and I sleep all day.
joe rogan
But do you, is that when you're like prepping?
Do you get ready for Monday?
punkie johnson
Sometimes it depends.
If I have the strength, I'll call people and say, hey, you know what you got this week?
I got this idea.
Let's figure out how to flush it out tomorrow, which is a Monday, right?
So Mondays we go to work just to meet the host and kind of just settle in.
We meet, hello, how you doing?
Like if it was you, hey, Lauren, I say, Joe Rogan, everybody, we'll all go in his office.
His office is about this big, maybe a little smaller.
We all sit on the floor like preschoolers.
We've got our legs crossed.
And Lauren will say, we're going to start with you, Rosebud.
And Rosebud will pitch her idea to you.
How you doing, Joe?
She'll say something.
You are a man that has a vision of exotic coffee shops.
So you open up a coffee shop that's full of strippers and you call it tea search or some shit.
Like just something stupid.
It could be a real idea.
It could be something fake.
I always pitch something stupid.
Look, I remember we went to work on Black History Day, on Martin Luther King Day.
And my pitch was, hey, Aubrey, you are the captain of the Holiday Police Department, and you come and fine Lorne Michaels for having all the black people at work on Martin Luther King Day.
The office was busting out laughing.
Because I go in there and I say what everybody want to say.
Because I don't give a fuck.
You know what I'm saying?
I just be having fun.
And then after that, you leave the pitch and you go.
You can either stay and talk in groups and figure out what you're going to do for Tuesday or you leave.
I leave or I stay.
Blah, blah, blah.
And then Tuesday, you write all day.
We get to the office 2, 3 o'clock.
We don't leave till 2, 3 o'clock.
And then Wednesdays, you got to wake up at 8, go over your sketches with your writers, fix it.
Maybe you'll go back to sleep about 10.30, 11, sleep for 30 minutes, get back up, go to work until 11 p.m., 12 p.m.
If your sketch get picked, you know, because you got to produce it.
So also at this job, I'm learning how to produce, learning how to direct, learning how to make fast edits, because you got to pick your set, you got to pick the clothes that people are going to wear, you got to pick the outfits, you got to pick the wigs, you got to...
If you write the sketch and it get picked, you got to do it all.
Of course you have help, but you're learning the stuff.
joe rogan
Did you do any of that before you went to SNL? No.
No theater, no nothing?
punkie johnson
I went to an acting school called the Actors Boot Camp, but that was that.
That's neither here nor there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think acting class is probably in some ways a little bit like comedy class.
I think there's good ones.
In terms of acting class, there's legitimate, real good places where people learn.
They really do.
And then there's also acting lessons that are given by people that weren't really good actors.
They didn't really make it as an actor and they're teaching it.
punkie johnson
I know a lot of people that'll teach you something because they've done it.
joe rogan
That's the problem with comedy, right?
Like the comedy classes, they're not being taught by Dave Chappelle.
They're being taught by someone who's probably not that good at comedy, which is why they're teaching classes.
punkie johnson
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
But it does get you on stage, though.
That's the benefit of it.
punkie johnson
I, um, when I did get to SNL, a lot of people did go to school.
joe rogan
They did?
They went to acting school?
punkie johnson
They went to, like, improv school, Second City, Groundlings, and all of that.
Because the moment I get to know people over there, I'm like, oh, y'all went to school.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh!
punkie johnson
I came from a little place with black walls called the Comedy Store.
I don't know nothing about this.
joe rogan
It's a type of school, though.
punkie johnson
You know?
joe rogan
It's a type of performance school, for sure.
punkie johnson
That's what I'm saying.
And with that, that's me saying to myself, what are you doing?
joe rogan
Well, think about how young Eddie Murphy was when he was on SNL. And all his performance was stand-up.
But look how good he was.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he already knew how to perform.
The hardest thing is you're performing live for laughs in front of strangers all the time.
And in your case, you're getting up late.
You were getting up late.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you were going on after a bunch of murderers.
Anthony Jeselnik and Sebastian and all these killers.
And so by the time you're on stage, that show's three hours old.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
punkie johnson
It was fun.
joe rogan
It's fun.
punkie johnson
Like Don Barris, you know, he loved that late night spot.
Whoever is in there, he lights it up.
Like, yeah, I've been in here for three hours.
Then you meet this person, this crazy, psychotic human being who comes in the comedy store, who's a staple, okay?
And he's like, get up here and come spit in my mouth.
It's like, wait a minute!
And then he got the band coming up, and people, it's not a real band.
He pressed play on this thing, and everybody's beating on chairs, and they got fake pianos, and you are rocking.
Now, he's rocking the house at 2, 3 in the morning until they say, all right, that's enough.
He'll go till 4 if you let him.
And it's just lit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the beauty of that place.
That late night spot, that was the Kinnison spot.
That's how Kinnison became famous.
Kinnison became famous because people would, well, first of all, because he was so talented, and he did Letterman and HBO, but the thing in Hollywood was that people would know that Kinnison was going on after midnight.
So they would come to the store to see Kinnison, because he was on last.
And, you know, he would go as long as he wants.
You know, the last person goes as long as they want.
And so that's the Holtzman spot too now.
And Kinnison would go up and, you know, you'd have all these rock stars and movie stars go by and see him.
punkie johnson
That's dope.
joe rogan
And they came there just to see Kinnison.
punkie johnson
That's so inspiring, actually.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's all I could think of when I first moved there.
And when I moved there, it was right after the wave.
Because comedy comes in these wild waves sometimes.
And the store certainly always did.
And I got there in 94. I went there for the first time in 93. And it was like a ghost town.
It was crazy.
Like, I went in the OR and there was like a boat act on stage.
Like, someone who just should have stopped a long time ago.
They were doing, you know, jokes from the 1970s.
It was sad.
And I was like, this is the comedy store?
Like, this is...
There was no one in there.
There was like 20 people in the audience and I sat in the back.
But that was after Kinnison.
There was a Kinnison wave.
It ended in the late 80s when he left.
He left the Comedy Store and he got banned from the Comedy Store and then he kind of fell apart and then he died.
And then when I got there in 93, 94, there wasn't a lot of people that were big names that were there all the time.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I heard when I got there they had like this, I think they called it like the Dark Ages or something, where it was just like super dark and it wasn't too busy.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't busy at all for a while in the early 90s.
But occasionally, like Martin Lawrence would come and then it would be flooded.
Occasionally someone big would come and they would go in the main room and it would be monstrous.
And then the place would be packed.
George Carlin was there for a while.
Damon Wayans would just stop in.
He would never announce sets.
He would stop in, because he just wanted to fuck around.
He wanted to go there and fuck around.
So you'd see elite comedy, but it wasn't like it was in the 80s.
And then it became that again.
Slowly over time it built up, and then there was that new era that was in the 2000s, like 2014 on, that was like, fuck, every night was sold out.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, two shows, three shows.
Constantly packed houses, moving in and out, and you'd see Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle and Louis C.K. and fucking Tim Dillon.
Holy shit, there's so many comics here.
It was wild.
punkie johnson
Yeah, my first night actually working now, I wasn't supposed to work.
I was actually there for orientation.
And it was so stacked.
They was like, yo, you mind just kind of expediting a little bit?
I'm like, how?
I don't know where the table's at.
I don't know what I'm doing.
They say, here.
That's how grimy.
Like, comic stuff is crazy.
They're like, here go a map.
I'm like, oh, you want me to walk in the dark and look at a fucking map while I got a tray of drinks?
Great!
unidentified
Wow.
punkie johnson
But that's how it is in life, too.
You just got to jump your ass in that water and swim.
If I'm not mistaken, it was freaking, was it Louis C.K. that night?
I don't remember.
It could have been him.
And it was just stacked.
And it was like, we need the help.
We need the extra hands.
I was working in blue jeans.
unidentified
Jesus.
punkie johnson
And they just threw me a Comedy Store shirt.
And it just went from there.
But after that, it was dead for like two years.
joe rogan
It would be like that if someone big would come.
If someone big would come, then it would build up again.
It'll happen again.
It always happens with that place.
It rises.
It's just an iconic place.
When I was a kid, in 1988, when I first did stand-up, I was at Stitches in Boston, and I remember thinking about the comedy store, like, that's Mecca.
That was Mecca.
I had to get there.
I had to get there.
That was my goal, always.
Was to get to the Comedy Store.
I didn't even know why.
I didn't even know how.
It was like this thought.
I was terrible.
I was an open-miker, and I was like, the Comedy Store, that's where Richard Pryor used to work out.
That's where Sam Kinison used to work out.
And I was like, I gotta get there.
And I remember getting there and being like, this is the Comedy Store?
This is it?
punkie johnson
Yeah, it was surprising.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then I saw a really good comedy.
I kept going back, and then I saw Don Marrera there, and I saw all these other people.
Then I got there earlier in the day, and I realized if you get there at 9 o'clock, it's more packed.
I was showing up at 11, 11.30, after I'd gotten off of work on a sitcom.
punkie johnson
Oh, I was about to say, where were you working?
joe rogan
I was doing this sitcom called Hardball.
That's what I came over to do.
And the pilot was me and Jim Brewer.
And a bunch of other people that were mostly actors.
And it was on Fox.
And it didn't go.
It went like six episodes.
But I had already moved here and I already got an apartment so I stayed.
But the big thing to me was becoming a paid regular at the Comedy Store.
Which I think happened after...
The show got canceled.
I think I was there for quite a few months.
I was a non-paid regular.
So I had to go on at the end of the show.
After everyone was already done, then I could go up.
punkie johnson
How was your relationship with Mitzi?
joe rogan
It was amazing.
I couldn't believe I was talking to her.
Because me, that was the godmother.
I could be in her presence and she'd give me advice.
She would tell me she thought it was funny.
She'd tell me, oh, that was hilarious.
I just couldn't believe it.
When she told me that I was a paid regular, it was the happiest day of my life.
I couldn't believe it.
punkie johnson
How was the process with you?
Because when I became a paid regular, I had to showcase.
Did you have to showcase or did she just watch you for a period of time and then come to you and tell you?
joe rogan
I showcased.
I did my first set and she said I could be a non-paid regular.
And so I did that for, like I said, a few months.
And then I get to showcase again to be a paid regular and I had a great set.
And one of the reasons why I had a great set was this guy named The Todd.
That's what he'd call himself, The Todd.
And he was friends with Pauly Shore and he used to be...
I saw him on MTV before I even did comedy.
I saw him on MTV Half Hour Comedy Hour.
Maybe it was like an open mic or when I saw him.
I can't remember.
But I remember seeing that guy on TV and then being around him at the store.
And he was a really nice guy.
And one of the things that he said, he said, I sat next to Mitzi when you went on stage and I laughed really hard at all your jokes.
Because you're really funny and I really want you to be a paid regular, but you're going to do that for other people someday too.
He said that to me.
punkie johnson
All the help helps.
joe rogan
But that's a real help.
Like, if you could sit next to Mitzi, like, if she knew, like, if you're a legit comic and she knew that you respected the person on stage and that you wanted to see their set and that you laughed, Mitzi, you were, without telling Mitzi anything, you would co-sign.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You were co-signing.
So he co-signed for me.
And I never forgot.
And then he got, like, really sick.
Like, something happened.
He had, like, a real brain problem.
punkie johnson
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, real bad where I don't even know if he's still alive.
But he came back to the store and there was something really wrong with him, unfortunately.
Some sort of health issue with his brain.
punkie johnson
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It was sad, but I learned from him.
And there was an interesting moment for me because I was like, oh, that totally makes sense.
And that's what you should do.
That's the dude.
punkie johnson
The Todd, huh?
joe rogan
That's him.
That's the Todd, yeah.
He was on the MTV half-hour comedy.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I was about to say, he looks very, very familiar.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was in the 80s.
He was a guy that was one of the guys you would see on TV. He had a unique name.
He was a good comic.
He was a funny guy.
But that was what was big.
He helped me.
punkie johnson
I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
I like the help.
Because, you know, like you said earlier, some people don't want to see you rise.
joe rogan
Well, some people, they just think they have a famine mentality.
They think that there's only so much success and so much love and so much positivity out there, and they want it all for themselves.
punkie johnson
You know, I came at a crossroads.
There were times when I had to hold myself accountable for being like that.
Be mad at others for having more to me.
And one day I just sat down and I'm just like, yo, that ain't your lane.
That's not your plan.
That's not your journey.
So I had to really pull myself out of that and be like, yo, you know, your life is different from everybody else's life.
And your journey is different.
You know, so...
Once I got out of that stupid mentality, things really started.
And I put all that energy into really focusing on myself and my work.
Things really shifted in my life when I stopped worrying about what other people were doing and what they had.
joe rogan
Good for you.
Good for you.
Do you remember what happened to you or why you made that switch?
punkie johnson
Well, I remember just saying to myself one day, that's a talented motherfucker.
Why is you mad?
And I would say to myself, If the only reason why you're upset is because it ain't you, That's a problem.
joe rogan
But it's common.
punkie johnson
For me, it was a problem.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I used to feel like that when I was younger, and I recognized it in myself.
I was like, oh, this is a weakness.
This is a terrible weakness.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And it's also, it actually fucks you over.
It doesn't do a thing for that person who's killing it.
It doesn't hurt them at all.
And people think it does, and that's why they engage in it, because they think they're going to diminish them around other people, talk shit about them around other people.
I've had to have conversations with my friends about that.
I'm like, hey man, that guy's a talented motherfucker and you're being a bitch.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, don't do that.
I know the instinct.
You feel like you deserve more and you haven't gotten yours, but you're not on that guy's path.
punkie johnson
No.
joe rogan
He's on a different path.
It's normal.
It's a normal.
It's just like we have to recognize what it is.
It's as normal as sneezing.
It's as normal.
It's like a normal part of being a human.
punkie johnson
You gotta check yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta check that.
That's all it is.
punkie johnson
Lot of therapy and meditation, my friend.
joe rogan
Also, just recognize what it is and don't commit to it because you don't want to have been wrong or you want to defend yourself.
Don't defend that.
Don't defend that.
Just let it go.
Let it go.
Don't be married to ideas you have.
And if you have this jealous idea in your head, don't be married to that.
Don't keep that.
Don't keep it.
I know it's normal.
It's instinct.
I used to have it all the time.
It's a big part of being a person.
You see someone, especially in the beginning, because you're just trying to make it.
So you're so ambitious.
You can't wait to go on stage, and you see someone on stage bombing.
You're happy they bombed.
punkie johnson
That's another thing I had to stop doing.
When I was coming up at the store, and before I was a paid regular, if I would do the friends and family portion, I would be happy that I was going after someone who I knew weren't as good as me.
And then my life started to change again when I started saying, no, fuck that.
I want the person in front of me to be dope as fuck.
So even at SNL in a pitch meeting, I go after this guy who always light the room up with a pitch.
And I went up to him and I'm like, bro, you make me better because I know I got to come.
If I go after you in that meeting, I know I got to come hard.
So you are fueling me to keep the energy of the room when you go and then I have to go after you because I don't want to bring it down.
So he's making me work harder, but not in like this, like I'm not envious of him.
He's helping me and I like his help by him just being himself.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the way to think about it.
punkie johnson
So once I changed that mentality of I want the best person in the room to be before me, that's when I started getting better as well.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm gonna put it like this.
That's when I started being more prepared as well.
That's when my preparation changed to going on stages, too.
I'm just like, all right, bet.
I need to be a little bit more organized on stage.
I need to know when my jokes is coming.
I need to make sure I keep it nice and tight because I want to keep the energy in the room.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It also makes you rise up to that person's RPMs.
That's why the comedy store was so good.
You would be working with all these killers and you couldn't be lazy.
punkie johnson
No.
joe rogan
One thing that comedians like to do is they like to bring someone on the road with them that's soft.
So that person just sort of like goes up and does like a passable job and then they can go up and clean up like a hero.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
But my thought was like, A, that's not helping me at all and B, that's not good for the audience.
So I would just bring the most murderous, ruthless comics that I could find.
I started working with Joey because I couldn't follow him.
I brought Joey on the road with me because I had trouble following him once in New Jersey.
I'm like, I'm bringing Joey on the road everywhere.
punkie johnson
Oh, I love Joey.
joe rogan
Joey, when he came into his own, there was a time in the late 90s where Joey came into his own.
Where he just really figured it out.
Where he was unstoppable.
He was unstoppable.
Because he had decided that Hollywood was never going to give him any love.
And so he was just – all he wanted was the respect of the comics and to kill.
And he was just always on fire, always on fire.
And you would go on after him.
It's like, how are you going to compete with that?
How are you going to ride that wave?
And so – Taking him on the road with me made me sharper.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I'm like, this guy's just destroyed.
And then, by the way, after a while, people knew who he was.
So in the beginning, people didn't know him.
They were like, what the fuck is this?
And then they would see him go on stage and they would get excited.
They're like, oh shit, that's Joey Diaz.
Or it was Joey Diaz from the JRE or Joey Diaz from the Church of What's Happening Now.
And then it became, you know, now he's an icon.
punkie johnson
And he's a good man.
joe rogan
He's a great man.
punkie johnson
He's a man, Joey.
I love me some Joey.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a wild dude.
He's a wild dude.
And he was, in a lot of ways, his irreverence, his ability to just cut loose on stage, Showed all of us.
He would get so crazy sometimes.
I've seen moments on stage where Joey murdered so hard.
There was no air in the room.
No one could breathe.
Everyone was just slapping tables.
It was just so ridiculous.
And unfortunately, those were never captured.
That's the thing.
People still have never seen Joey the way we've seen Joey.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
Joe would be up there killing himself laughing.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
punkie johnson
But his delivery is so point on and so straightforward.
He don't hold nothing back.
joe rogan
Economy of words.
punkie johnson
Economy of words.
joe rogan
He's got the best economy of words.
Those punchlines sneak up on you so fast.
punkie johnson
I would agree.
joe rogan
And the rapid fire, bang, bang, bang.
punkie johnson
He don't touch that microphone.
joe rogan
And God help you if you see him in front of a Cuban audience.
Because then he starts throwing in some Spanish and some Cuban flavored Spanish in with his jokes and oh my god.
I've seen him at the Miami Improv back in the day.
Murdered to the point where the headliner quit.
The headliner went home.
Joey was middling and the headliner said, I quit.
punkie johnson
Alright.
joe rogan
I quit.
I'm leaving.
Got on a fucking plane.
I'm not doing this to myself.
punkie johnson
They're like, Joey, stay up on stage now, man.
joe rogan
First show Friday, they're like, check, please.
Not a chance.
This guy's with me all weekend?
Fuck you.
Because people, when you go on the road for a week, say you show up at Tampa, you expect you're going to get some local Tampa comedian, some soft touch who's going to be up there.
No disrespect to local Tampa comedians, but it's not the strongest comedy scene.
So the odds are, if someone's working for you as an opener, In Tampa.
They're gonna, you know, be passable.
They're okay.
So I'm a fucking headliner.
I got TV credits on the Evening of the Improv.
Let me get in there.
I got my fucking closer bit and it's gonna kill.
You see Joey Diaz on stage and literally tables are falling over.
People are laughing so hard.
They're pushing tables over.
They're like falling onto the ground.
Like, I can't believe this guy.
punkie johnson
Who was the headliner that got out of there?
unidentified
That's fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
I can't really tell you.
I'll tell you later.
punkie johnson
Man, look.
joe rogan
I'll tell you later.
punkie johnson
I probably still would have went up there and took my little bomb.
But I would have been pissed.
joe rogan
Those Cuban kids were mean, man.
You didn't bomb good there.
It was a different kind of bombing.
It was a different kind of bombing.
It was a wild club.
The guy who ran the club was a partier.
There was a lot of partying going on, if you know what I mean.
A lot of that Bolivian marching powder.
There was a lot of shit happening.
It was a wild time.
But it was also like, there was some spots that you would go to and you're like, that club's crazy.
And that was one of them.
punkie johnson
I love that.
I ain't never know that.
joe rogan
Joey was like the murderer.
Nobody wanted to take Joey as a middle act.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
Like, that would be death.
punkie johnson
I haven't seen him in three years.
I haven't seen so many people in three years.
I'm happy to be here because I know a lot of my people out here too.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's why I'm happy you're doing Kill Tony tonight.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I'm going to see my baby.
joe rogan
You got to see that.
punkie johnson
Man, Tony's been my guy.
Man, I love that man.
I love that man.
He's another person that took me on the road.
I just go to Tony and be like, let me open.
He'll be like, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, Tony's the man.
punkie johnson
He's the man.
joe rogan
He's the best host on planet Earth.
Like, the way he handles Kill Tony, how quick he is off the cuff.
That show's amazing.
punkie johnson
I love how quick he is.
I remember seeing him at the comedy store before he was, you know, Kill Tony.
And if I'm not mistaken, he was working at the time.
And I remember just seeing him in, you know, the room between the service bar and the back bar?
That little space with the mirror?
Yes.
He was back there one time.
He had a drink and he was just kind of just in his head.
And I had a tray and I looked at him and I said, you okay?
What's wrong?
He was like, they're playing with me, kid.
They're gonna turn me into a monster.
unidentified
He's like, he thinks he's in the WWE. He's so out of his fucking mind.
joe rogan
He thinks Vince McMahon's waiting there with a camera.
He's so out of his fucking mind.
They're gonna turn me into a monster.
punkie johnson
His goofy ass.
And no doubt...
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
He started off in a belly room, moved it into the main room.
Now he out here in Austin.
He did what he said he was going to do.
joe rogan
That show's unstoppable.
It's such a good idea to have comics go up and do one minute.
And then you have regulars like William Montgomery, Hans Kim, David Lucas.
They all do a minute every week.
A new minute every week.
punkie johnson
Every week.
joe rogan
So David will write a new minute every week.
And so many times, like David is very prolific.
And so many times David will take that bit and then he'll be doing it like when he works with me all the time.
So David and I are doing shows like most Tuesdays and Wednesdays.
And so he'll take these bits from one minute and now all of a sudden he's got a whole new giant one minute chunk.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's a part of his regular act now because of this one minute a week thing.
It's an incredible resource for like up and coming comedians and Hans Kim is doing that too.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Every week you got to be on point.
It's like SNL in a lot of ways.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We have to create every week.
punkie johnson
Every week.
joe rogan
And there's only three of them.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
punkie johnson
I can't wait to do a Kill Tony tonight because I'm going to say roast me.
I just want to be roast.
I just love when David roasts my ass.
joe rogan
David's the best.
punkie johnson
He just...
joe rogan
David and Tony, when those two are roasting each other, it's the hardest I laugh in life.
The hardest I laugh in life.
The last time I did it, I couldn't breathe.
I was literally wheezing while these two were going back and forth with each other.
punkie johnson
I'm proud of him.
He just sold out a theater, his first theater, David.
That is...
joe rogan
David's killing it.
punkie johnson
That's amazing.
joe rogan
He works hard.
He works hard.
He's always doing stand-up.
He's always out there.
punkie johnson
That's good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And we'll do two, three shows a week together out here.
punkie johnson
Oh, that's perfect.
unidentified
That's perfect.
joe rogan
And Hans Kim's doing the same thing, and Bryan Simpson's out here killing it.
punkie johnson
Oh, my baby!
joe rogan
Segura's here now.
Christina Pazitsky's here.
punkie johnson
Yeah, my friends, I got a text thread.
joe rogan
Duncan's here now.
punkie johnson
Some of my homegirls just hit me up about Segura.
Why is he, has he always been this fine?
I'm like, oh!
joe rogan
He looks good now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He looks good.
Tommy's a handsome man under all that blubber.
punkie johnson
They're like, when he started looking like this?
I'm like, this ain't my conversation, guys.
joe rogan
Well, you know what happened?
Him and Bert had this weight loss challenge, and this was like, how many years ago was that?
Five years ago?
jamie vernon
I just saw something about it.
punkie johnson
Did they do something recent?
jamie vernon
I think it's six years ago.
joe rogan
Six years ago.
punkie johnson
Oh, because I was about to say.
joe rogan
But this is what started.
So him and Bert, yeah, him with Jason Momoa.
Look at that.
Look how good he looks.
Look how fanny he looks.
Look how fucking thin Segura looks.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
There's a picture of him, go back to his Instagram, of him sitting down eating ice cream.
And I looked at it.
And I was like, look at that.
Look how fit he looks.
Look at his arms.
punkie johnson
Damn, when the fuck did that happen?
joe rogan
Look at his legs, like everything.
Like, he's fit now.
unidentified
He's like, he works out twice a day, every day.
joe rogan
He does weights, and he does cardio.
He has a trainer that he brings with him on the road, and he's constantly working out.
He has a sled that he pulls in his driveway, and I'm watching all this shit, and I'm like, this is insane.
punkie johnson
That's the level I'm trying to get to.
unidentified
You can do that, buddy.
punkie johnson
Well, I'm trying to get to where I can afford to bring my trainer with me everywhere I go.
joe rogan
Start off with someone to hold mitts for you.
punkie johnson
Oh, see, I got a boxing trainer.
That's why I moved out to Jersey.
joe rogan
Take that person with you.
punkie johnson
I moved out to Jersey, got my boy Baron with me, and he teached me everything.
He also like, look, don't be out here getting in fights because you could really swing now.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't hurt anybody, especially now that you have money.
punkie johnson
He's like, back, he's like, just always walk away.
Because I don't, I didn't realize, I do have a lot of power.
Sometimes I do this to somebody, just because I'm like, you're so stupid.
And I'll be, I'll push the fuck out of them.
And I'll be like, my bad, I didn't mean to do that.
You don't realize your power.
But if I want to get to a level of having enough money to take my trainer, you work for me and only me, with me, forever.
joe rogan
Forever.
punkie johnson
365 days a year.
joe rogan
What if they want to quit?
You kill them?
punkie johnson
Yeah, hell yeah!
Put a bullet in your foot.
Let me see.
But that's my boy, man.
joe rogan
I've never gone that far where I take a trainer with me on the road.
I don't bring a trainer with me.
punkie johnson
Well, I mean, if I go out on the road Friday said to come back home, then no.
But if I'm like, if life is constantly on the road week by week for me, I'ma need them.
joe rogan
The problem with that is like, it's great for sure, but I need alone time.
And that's my alone time.
When I work out, I like to put AirPods on, so I listen to music.
And I just get cranking.
And I just get in my own head.
That's what I like to do.
I don't want anybody telling me what we're doing next.
I know what to do.
I write it out.
punkie johnson
Well, that's my problem.
If I knew how to work out.
joe rogan
But there's a great benefit to having a trainer, no doubt.
But for me, what I get out of it personally, I've definitely worked with trainers before, and I love what I've learned from them, but I like that time where it's just me struggling in my own head.
To me, that's the start of every day.
Every day I do something.
And when I do it, I set it out, I write out what I'm going to do, figure it out in my head, and that way I'm just in my own head.
I don't talk to anybody, I don't look at my phone.
punkie johnson
I dig that.
I dig that.
Do you get into a lot of CrossFit?
joe rogan
I do those same kind of movements.
I do a lot of kettlebell stuff, and I do a lot of bodyweight stuff.
So I do a lot of similar things.
punkie johnson
Because you stay strong.
You know what I'm saying?
So I don't think you...
You don't do a lot of cardio, do you?
joe rogan
I do cardio.
punkie johnson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I do airdyne bike.
You know what that is?
punkie johnson
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
And I do rounds in the back.
But the airdyne bike is a...
You do your arms and your legs at the same time.
punkie johnson
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Okay, yes.
joe rogan
I have this rogue echo bike.
It's brutal.
It's brutal.
And so I do sprints on this thing.
So you do 20-second sprints with 10-second rests, and I do that for eight reps, and I do that for 10 repetitions.
So I do 10 rounds of 20-second sprint, 10-second rest, 20-second sprint.
Do that eight times, get my heart rate down below 100, and then do it again.
And then get my heart rate back up.
punkie johnson
You do that 10 times?
joe rogan
10 times in a row, yeah.
Yeah, so that's my cardio.
I do that at least once a week.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't do that a lot.
Then I do rounds in the bag and I do other stuff for cardio.
I pull a sled.
punkie johnson
That bag will do some serious damage.
joe rogan
Sure.
punkie johnson
You'll shred very fast in here with that bag.
My arms get...
Let's say I've just...
Sometimes if I get depressed, I just stop everything.
So let's say I stop for like two months.
If I get back in the gym and get on that bag, I shred so fast and so hard.
Within three weeks, I'm like 10, 12 pounds down off the bag.
joe rogan
It's a lot of calories you're burning, too.
If you wear a chest strap, one of those straps that measures the amount of calories you're burning, you're burning a shitload of calories hitting the bag.
I mean, it's so dynamic.
There's so much movement, so your heart rate is jacked.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
My trainer's like, look, if you ever go to a boxing gym without me, you have to go to every bag.
You do three rounds on every bag.
So that is one thing I know how to do.
I don't know how to work out.
But I know how to use every bag in the gym.
joe rogan
That's perfect.
That's all you really need.
You want to get in shape.
Also, they have these round timers that'll let you do the same kind of thing, like sprints and then rest periods.
So it'll be like...
I think Tidal Boxing had one.
Ringside.
Ringside had one.
And you had like a green light and a yellow light and then a red light.
And the red light was in between rounds.
Then you would rest.
And the green light was sprint.
So the green light, you would...
Just beat the fuck out of the back.
And then the yellow light would come on and then you would just sort of tap it and move around.
And you would just kind of catch your breath back up.
And then the green light would come back on you.
So it would give you like structure.
Like during that green time, you sprint.
During the yellow time, you lay back.
punkie johnson
Oh, yeah.
So basically, that'll be like each light be a minute, I'm guessing, right?
joe rogan
I don't know how they do it.
I don't know how it does it.
I want to say it's 30 seconds.
I think actually, no.
I think what it is is adjustable.
I think you could set the round.
I think the round thing would go to as much as five minutes and you could choose the intervals.
punkie johnson
Okay.
Yeah, I'm really getting deep into this.
I don't know if my trainer be gassing me up, man.
I think he be gassing me.
I don't know.
But he's like, yo, you could go out and fight.
I think I'm going to get you somebody to spar with.
I'm like, I don't know if I'm ready for that.
He's like, yo, you ready?
joe rogan
We have heavy bags right next door.
You can show me.
punkie johnson
Yeah, he want me to fight.
joe rogan
Show me what you got, punky.
punkie johnson
Hit that bag.
joe rogan
You know, we got that I love is a water bag.
It's like a big ball filled with water.
Have you ever hit one of those?
punkie johnson
I don't...
joe rogan
Oh, it's nice.
punkie johnson
The only thing I've done with water is...
I don't know what you call it, but they got handles on it, and I'll just do these little lunges that shreds you all in your bag and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, because the water's moving.
You have to adjust to the movement of the water.
Those are great.
I like stuff like that, like clubs.
You ever use those metal clubs, steel clubs?
You pick them up.
They're called club bells.
It's like a long pole.
It almost looks like a weapon, and you're swinging them above your head, and it's all about controlling this awkward weight.
punkie johnson
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Or like a mace?
You ever use a mace?
Same thing?
punkie johnson
No, I usually just do that with the heavy ball.
Oh, the medicine ball?
joe rogan
That's good, too.
That's good, too.
You could do a bunch of shit like that with a medicine ball.
But the thing about clubs and maces is that it's awkward.
So there's this long metal piece with a mace, and then at the end of it is the weight.
So you're holding on to this thing.
It's all this leverage, and you're swinging it around.
It's really good for your shoulders and your core.
It works your leg.
It works your whole body.
punkie johnson
Yeah, that working out is serious.
joe rogan
Serious, Bunky.
punkie johnson
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's also good for the dome.
That's the most important part of it.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do feel a lot more...
Like whenever I work out, before I do anything, my brain is ahead of me.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
It's fired up.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
It doesn't stop.
And my girlfriend, she's a little thick one, right?
She bigoted me.
And one time, I don't know what happened, like she came to sit on top of me on the sofa and I stood up.
I like walked up to the kitchen and she was like, what the fuck?
She said, I got to call money.
I called my trainer.
She's like, I got to call him right away.
They get on the phone.
She was like, man, this bitch is strong.
She's like, you got my baby picking me up.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
punkie johnson
I didn't know I was that strong either.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
punkie johnson
You know, because, you know, I got to do a lot of leg work, you know?
Yeah, sure.
All your strength comes from the below.
So I do a whole bunch of squats.
I do 100 push-ups a day every day, straight up.
unidentified
Really?
punkie johnson
Yeah, I start off, I got to.
joe rogan
How many do you do in a row?
punkie johnson
I could do 40 in a row.
joe rogan
Wow.
punkie johnson
I could do 40 push-ups in a row.
joe rogan
That's impressive.
punkie johnson
I'm working up to doing 100 in a row.
This guy did this play one time, maybe 15 years ago, and this guy was like, all right, time for me to get my push-ups in.
He did like 300 push-ups in a row.
In a row?
In a row.
joe rogan
What's the world record for the amount of push-ups someone's ever done in a row?
I would like to know that.
Because I would imagine it would be close to the world record.
Like how many push-ups can someone do before their arms fall apart?
punkie johnson
I think it's like 500, 600 maybe?
joe rogan
I guess it also would depend on how heavy the person is too.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like if you're a heavy person, that's a big, you know, if you're Burt Kreischer.
punkie johnson
Are you watching this?
They got this show on Netflix right now.
It's called like the Top 100 or something like that.
And it's just like all these guys and girls, ladies and men from...
From Asia.
They're all Asian.
And it's like, it's...
God, what is it called?
But they go into this room and it's like whoever's stronger and whoever's...
And the men compete against the women as well.
They had this one competition where a guy was competing against a woman and he had his knee on her chest.
And everybody was like, come on, man, come on.
And he's looking at them and he's like...
joe rogan
Competing in what way?
punkie johnson
What's he doing?
joe rogan
What's the most record push-ups?
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find the real truth.
It said it's 10,000.
unidentified
What?
punkie johnson
In a row?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Breaking the record of 7,650.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Both sound fake.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
There's a video that says why that's probably fake, so I was trying to find another number while you were saying something.
unidentified
In a row?
jamie vernon
She brought up the show that I was trying to then get an answer for, so...
joe rogan
How much time did that take?
jamie vernon
There's the show.
punkie johnson
Yes!
Physical 100. Man, this show got me on the end.
It got its slow parts because it got to do a lot of introductions and a lot of things.
joe rogan
Is that Akiyama?
jamie vernon
It's in Korea for sure.
joe rogan
That might be Akiyama.
The guy with the big head in the background?
punkie johnson
Yo, it's a lot of famous Asian fighters.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Well, Akiyama, they call him Sexy Yama.
Yeah.
Yoshihiro Akiyama.
He's a world famous MMA fighter that fought in Pride.
They call him Sexy Yama because he's like super tan and super jacked.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pull up a video of Akiyama fighting.
Okay, here it is.
unidentified
This is this physical 100. Oh, it's Squid Games.
Broadcast globally.
joe rogan
Squid Games!
punkie johnson
And it's stuff like with the mind as well.
So it's like you don't have to be the strongest or the fastest.
You just got to be strategic.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
punkie johnson
Like whoever has the ball at the end of three minutes is the champion.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
Interesting.
Oh, wow.
So they're duking it out for this fucking ball.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good idea.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
And that's just one challenge.
So the last challenge...
The sand.
So that's the last one.
The new episode will come on tomorrow.
joe rogan
Nah, shit.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a good idea.
Someone's going to get fucked up, though.
They're duking it out on a wooden battleship?
That seems like a recipe for a broken leg.
punkie johnson
Well, the thing is, now that is going to be a team thing.
So everybody is thinking, okay, we have to have all strong people.
But some of these, you're going to have to have some light people so they can get across bridges and stuff.
Sure.
Oh, man.
It's just so good.
joe rogan
Look at that dude in the front picture.
Go back to that picture.
Look how jacked that dude is.
Jesus Christ.
punkie johnson
And sometimes the biggest and the strongest lose because they didn't have a game plan going into the event.
joe rogan
Well, also, they probably don't have to be as crafty because they're big and strong and they think they're just going to get away with that.
And then they find out, oh, no, this is like some shit where I have to hang by my hands longer than the other person.
punkie johnson
That's crazy you say that because that was the first challenge.
joe rogan
Oh, see, we figured that out on Fear Factor.
On Fear Factor, girls can hang longer than guys can.
We had these jacked dudes and they had to hang off of this bar over a bridge.
And the jacked dudes all fell before the women.
Because women don't weigh as much.
punkie johnson
No, no.
And it's crazy how they just got comfortable.
Some of them just got comfortable up there, just like holding the bar like this.
I'm like, goddamn, these people are flexible.
But they got gymnasts up there that's still in the game and still winning and stuff.
It's deep.
joe rogan
See if you can find a video of Akiyama fighting.
This dude was a pride legend.
punkie johnson
What's the funniest interview you ever did in the UFC? Yeah, like the funniest.
joe rogan
Derek Lewis, for sure.
He took his pants off.
And I go, Derek, why'd you take your pants off?
He goes, my balls was hot.
And I go, I understand, sir.
Take his shorts off in the middle of the ring after he won.
And I'm like, why'd you take your pants off?
Because my balls was hot.
So Akiyama, he was a judo champion.
And he also, this is him with the gi on.
He used to fight with the gi on, but he fought with no gi.
And look how jacked he was.
He was an evil fighter, man.
He was badass.
Akiyama was legit.
He was seriously legit.
He beat Melvin Manhoff, I believe.
He beat him by submission.
But he was super legit with judo.
punkie johnson
Okay, so this...
joe rogan
Look at this.
Bam, son.
Tap.
And Melvin Manhoff, the guy who he just beat, was one of the greatest strikers that ever fought in MMA. One of the scariest motherfuckers.
That guy, Melvin Manhoff, was a destroyer.
So when Sexy Yama submitted him, that was a big deal.
punkie johnson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
So the Sexy Yama guy, that's the...
joe rogan
That's the host.
punkie johnson
That's the old man that you just pointed out.
joe rogan
That's the guy in the background when you see his face.
punkie johnson
Yes.
joe rogan
The picture.
He had the big head and the other people in front of him.
That's Akiyama.
punkie johnson
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he must be the host of it or something, right?
punkie johnson
No, he's competing.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
punkie johnson
There's no host.
The host is just a voice.
joe rogan
He was in Pride fighting in the early 2000s.
punkie johnson
Word?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what year did Akiyama fight in Pride?
I want to guess, like, 2006?
Somewhere around there?
When did he fight?
Did it say when he fought in Pride?
Because Pride, when it was a big thing...
unidentified
2001. 2001. 2002. Yeah.
joe rogan
When the UFC purchased Pride, I think in like 2000, what was that?
Six or seven or something like that?
jamie vernon
One championship.
joe rogan
Well, he fought in one championship recently.
That was pretty recently, which is crazy.
So 20 years after he first started competing.
So 2009, the UFC bought and brought in Akiyama.
Wild.
Wild.
So now he's hosting that show.
He's got to be 50 years old.
punkie johnson
How old is that guy?
Yeah, he's...
joe rogan
He's got to be deep into his 40s.
punkie johnson
Well, you can tell because everybody has a massive amount of respect for him on the show when they speak of him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
And his first one-on-one battle.
So it's 100 of them.
And then the first battle, half of them were eliminated.
And that was the ball.
So now another half is about to be eliminated by tomorrow with the sand.
Now the sand is very strategic because you've got to fill this bag of sand, walk across the bridge, and empty it into a tube.
And whoever had the most in 12 minutes is going to win.
joe rogan
Is this all the people that are on it?
Yeah, there's other fighters and stuff on it too.
There you go.
How old is Akiyama?
Does it say?
47. 47. Damn.
punkie johnson
He looked good, too.
joe rogan
Still fighting.
He fought in one championship, I want to say, within the last three years.
punkie johnson
He looked good, too.
And you know what else to say?
He had all of that background of just being exquisite at what he does.
He's very humble when he speaks.
Because they do interviews and stuff, and he's just sitting up there like, I don't know, man.
It's an English voiceover.
joe rogan
Right, oh, that's not good.
punkie johnson
I'd rather them just have the subtitles, honestly, because the English voiceovers are so weird.
joe rogan
Right, you want to hear the guy's voice.
punkie johnson
Right, right, right.
And he's like, I don't know, man, maybe I made the wrong choice.
He's so humble in the way he goes into his competitions.
He's never like, I'm going to win this.
joe rogan
You know, in the early Bruce Lee movies, they had someone do his voice.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
If you watch the early Bruce Lee movies, someone is talking like this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Someone's talking over him.
Hey, guys, we have to go down there and fix this problem.
punkie johnson
Right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Because every time I watch the Ip Man movies, I'd rather them leave it, leave just his Chinese accent than have the American guy.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Speak over it.
I hate it.
joe rogan
No, you want subtitles.
Because you want to hear the inflection in their voice.
When someone is talking over them like this, that seems crazy.
punkie johnson
Especially if it's like a dramatic scene.
I can't stay with it.
joe rogan
I think this is real, though.
jamie vernon
I can't tell.
unidentified
How fuck are you in this?
jamie vernon
Oh, no, no, no.
That's different.
That's different.
I'm not just going to leave it alone.
joe rogan
Bruce Lee, what was that, that we just saw?
Impersonated.
jamie vernon
I don't know if they're real or fake.
They're mostly fake people just re-uploading them.
joe rogan
Yeah, just don't say Bruce Lee voiceover.
Right, Bruce Lee had his voice dubbed in early movies.
Dubbed early movies.
Maybe, but I think the early movies, there's like some pretty obvious examples.
jamie vernon
It's just going to take too long now.
joe rogan
Oh, Jamie.
jamie vernon
I was trying to do it fast.
joe rogan
I understand.
jamie vernon
We're going to get lost.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
See?
joe rogan
Okay.
There's a lot of different voiceover dubs that he does.
I get it.
But that was a thing with Kung Fu movies, right?
And Godzilla, too.
You go watch early Godzilla.
It was all dubbed over.
Hey, Godzilla's coming!
This is a real problem, guys!
punkie johnson
I hate that.
Just give me the real people and let me read the shit.
joe rogan
There's a new show that's on Netflix right now.
Here, is this voice dubbed here?
That's Bolo Young.
That's not even...
unidentified
1973, Enter the Dragon.
joe rogan
By this time, he might have been talking in his own voice.
I believe he was.
But I don't think Bruce is going to do much talking.
He's just going to fuck this dude up.
punkie johnson
I love...
joe rogan
I fucking love watching Bruce Lee.
unidentified
The noises?
joe rogan
I remember hearing those noises going, what is this?
By the way, no one can do that now.
If you think about karate movies, people just do karate.
Nobody goes...
punkie johnson
There's no swag in fashion, man.
He was...
unidentified
Smooth.
joe rogan
Oh, he was so smooth.
punkie johnson
I loved him.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was an Asian superhero.
Yeah.
They didn't ever see that coming.
This dude, out of nowhere, throwing karate kicks and doing jujitsu and judo and mixing them all together.
Nobody saw that coming.
That guy changed martial arts.
punkie johnson
He did.
joe rogan
Before the UFC came along, that was the first guy that combined things.
He was the one who kind of opened the door for the UFC in a lot of ways.
punkie johnson
If I'm not mistaken, he also did Wing Chun.
joe rogan
He did.
punkie johnson
He did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
That's why I have to learn it.
I got to figure out when and how, but I got to get there.
joe rogan
Yeah, he trained under Yip Man.
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah.
He trained under him.
And also, again, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was created by a woman.
joe rogan
Wing Chun was?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't think they know.
How the fuck could they know?
I don't even know who figured that out.
punkie johnson
I just want to learn how to be lighter on my feet.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Well, you should do plyometrics.
Do footwork drills.
punkie johnson
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
All right.
I can look into that, too.
joe rogan
There's a ton of guys on Instagram that are boxing coaches that set up those footwork ladders.
Have you ever seen those footwork ladders?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, you go in and out with the feet and do plyometrics where you jump like ski moves side to side and side to side.
That's how to get light on your feet.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then learning how to use it.
punkie johnson
When I'm on a road and I don't have my trainer, I'll plug in Sean T. I got his yearly Beachbody program.
And I just crank up insanity.
And he does have a plyometric workout on there, too, that uses the ladder.
joe rogan
That's good.
punkie johnson
But I never do that one.
joe rogan
That's a good one.
You know what else is really good?
punkie johnson
What?
joe rogan
Skipping rope.
People don't skip rope.
Jumping rope is fantastic.
It's one of the best things for your footwork.
It's the reason why boxers do it.
Because you've got to think about all that time you're just bouncing on your toes.
A lot of times in your boxing, you're flat-footed.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or you're moving, but you're not moving constantly over and over and over again.
But if you have the ability to do that, so if you're skipping rope and you skip rope for 10 minutes, and you're moving your feet back and forth, that's 10 minutes that you're forcing yourself to bounce up and down on your calves and on the ball of your feet because you have to jump over that rope, right?
So when you're doing that, you're energizing those muscles, strengthening those muscles, and then conditioning your body to be able to move like that.
punkie johnson
I need to jump rope.
See, my problem, Joe...
I don't like to jump.
joe rogan
Who does?
punkie johnson
I hate it.
But that's the thing.
I need to start doing the things that I don't want to do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Especially when it comes down to working out.
So I do not jump rope in boxing.
And I know that that's a big factor.
And I have to get over myself.
joe rogan
Jumping rope's a good one.
It's a big one.
Shadowboxing is another one.
Shadowboxing with purpose.
Shadowboxing moving, pretending a punch is coming your way, getting out of the way of it, landing your own shots, pivoting away, like that.
Like picturing someone in front of you.
punkie johnson
Yeah, that's the creativity, too.
You have to have imagination for that.
I got two pound weights in my office at SNL, and we get to have friends come on Saturdays, and my friend came, he saw the weights.
He said, man, what you doing with this motherfucking two pounds?
They mind your business.
Nah, you punk, you full of shit, you ain't doing nothing.
I'm like, I shadowbox if you ought to know with the two pounds.
Just, I'll do, like, if I'm in my office, I'll put on a movie or something until it's my time to go down to set, and I'll just sit in my office and I'll shadowbox for a I'll go do a round.
I'll sit.
I'll chill.
I'll do another round.
I'll sit.
I'll chill.
Sometimes I'll do four or five rounds before I go downstairs.
joe rogan
Good for you.
And it gets your brain fired up, right?
punkie johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I also have to be like, sorry if I stink off.
I'm sweaty.
I've been upstairs moving around.
joe rogan
But those endorphins get flowing.
If there was a pill that could make you feel like you feel after you work out, everybody would take it.
No side effects?
There's a pill.
It's called workout.
It's just not a pill.
But it gives you the effect of the perfect mixture of like a relieving of anxiety, a strengthening of all your connections, you feel yourself more.
And if you've got to be like physical, like I love a good workout before a set because you know you work out and then you kind of like blow the anxiety out of your system and you feel loose.
You just feel good when you get up there.
punkie johnson
I would do 50 push-ups right before my set.
Or a couple of jumping jacks before my set.
That's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, get the blood flowing.
Joey Diaz would yell at us.
That's what he would do.
I had to teach people that Joey's not really mad at you.
He's just getting fired up for going on stage.
Like, what are you motherfuckers with your phones?
Yeah, you fucking cocksuckers.
And Brian Redband would be like, why is Joey mad?
That's how Joey gets fired up.
He'll hug you when he gets off stage.
Trust me.
Just gotta let him go.
punkie johnson
Yeah, we all got our shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
But yeah, I think I'm going to get in the ring with somebody soon.
joe rogan
You thinking about it for real?
punkie johnson
I'm thinking about it.
joe rogan
Have you ever been punched?
punkie johnson
I'm thinking about it.
So yes, my trainer, he teaches me a lot.
He's like, if you don't keep your hands up, I'm going to sneak you.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
punkie johnson
So I got hit a couple times.
And I know a real punch hurt because he don't even hit me for real.
He'll just kind of just...
joe rogan
Touch you.
punkie johnson
But it's brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
So I can't even imagine getting hit.
But I have been hit, but I ain't been hit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to get hit.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Punk, you gotta preserve your brain.
punkie johnson
No.
Well, I also know how to stick and fucking move.
Pap, pap, out of there.
Measure, measure, measure, pap, out of there.
I'm swinging out.
joe rogan
That's the most important thing.
punkie johnson
You know, I'm not saying I ain't never gonna get hit, but I know how to get out the way.
joe rogan
For my money, Floyd Mayweather is the best ever.
Because he's the guy that got hit the least.
punkie johnson
He's a defensive boxer.
I like it.
A lot of people don't like it because he is not aggressive in the ring.
joe rogan
He's exactly the right amount of aggressive to win.
punkie johnson
That's what I'm saying.
He ain't coming at you like a fucking train, like Mike Tyson.
He's just chilling, chilling, chilling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I mean, when people say that, they don't understand what the fuck they're talking about.
He's defensive.
Of course he is.
He's fighting Canelo Alvarez.
Of course he is.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, he's fighting like the greatest boxers of all time.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Of course he's defensive.
You're supposed to be.
punkie johnson
And he's a little man.
joe rogan
He's not big.
punkie johnson
No, I wouldn't want to get hit.
You're going to always...
I'm going to be moving.
I'm going to be...
Man, look, if I'm him, I'm in the best shape of my life, I'm moving around, you ain't never going to be able to catch me in that ring.
I'm never going to stand in front of your face.
We're never going to square up.
I'm out of there.
joe rogan
The thing that's crazy about Floyd is he does stand right in front of your face.
punkie johnson
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
He stands right in front of your face and you still can't hit him.
That's what a wizard he is.
punkie johnson
He's too slick.
joe rogan
Right, because a lot of people are really good defensive fighters like Willy Pep.
Everybody always talks about Willy Pep and Willy Pep was amazing.
He won a round without even throwing a punch.
Won a round just with his defensive prowess.
It was so impressive that he won the round.
The guy just couldn't touch him.
But Willy Pep moved around a lot.
He like moved around.
He's light on his feet.
Whereas Floyd will stand right in front of you and he just like scoots just out of the way and then he's right in front of you again.
He's shoulder rolling.
You can't hit him.
You watch some of the videos of him when he fought Canelo.
It's so impressive.
Canelo's just whiffing at the wind.
He just can't catch him.
punkie johnson
And also...
You think you can because he ain't got his gloves on his face.
Right.
He's taunting you, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
I'm like, yo, he makes me nervous because I'm like, put your hands up.
Put your fucking hands up.
joe rogan
He knows what he's doing.
I mean, it's just because he knows how to do it so well that he's luring people in to try to hit him.
It looks like openings are there where they're not.
And then he counters you.
punkie johnson
I like to watch Tank fight, too.
I can't wait for his next fight.
I think it's in April.
joe rogan
Well, that's the Ryan Davis fight, right?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Ryan Garcia fight, rather.
punkie johnson
I can't...
joe rogan
That's a crazy fight.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's an interesting fight.
Tank is a monster.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's so different than anybody else because he doesn't throw a lot of punches.
punkie johnson
No.
joe rogan
He, like, measures you until he finds out where you're open, and then once he finds out where you're open, you're fucked.
He just starts launching missiles your way.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I enjoyed his last fight, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was crazy.
punkie johnson
I thought that was going to be a close one, but it wasn't.
joe rogan
Well, it was close for a little bit because Tank fights like that.
He doesn't throw a lot of punches.
He throws the least amount of punches in the early rounds of any of the champions.
But then once he figures you out, once he sizes you up, once he finds out where your holes are and gets that timing in, it's like he's got a boxing computer in his brain.
Okay, we got all the data.
Now this dude's starting to slow down.
Let's start putting it on him.
And then he starts putting it on him.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
And also with him, I like his, I like how humble he is as well.
He's also like, he like this, I don't know how to describe it.
He's like this humble, cocky man.
Like he knows that he can fight, but he ain't got to, he's like one of those guys, he ain't got to say it.
unidentified
Right.
punkie johnson
You know, like I would watch him in his interviews after the fight and he ain't saying, yeah, I told that motherfucker I was going, he ain't like that.
What's next for you?
Well, I got to get back in the gym.
I got to fix all the mistakes I made.
I got to clean it up.
You know, I ain't never gonna stop learning in this game.
He ain't even stunting about making a man go blind in the ring.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
So it's just like, I just like his swag.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
And there's a group of guys that are in his level right now, like Shakur Stevenson and this elite level.
And we're going to find out with Ryan Garcia.
He's another one.
That guy's got the fastest left hook I've ever seen.
That's a very interesting fight.
punkie johnson
I will say, I'm nervous about that one for Tank.
But like Tank said, he in the lab.
I'm pretty sure he's figuring it out.
joe rogan
There's Devin Haney.
That division is just stacked with talent.
Boxing's in a good spot right now.
It's a fun time to be a fan.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I like it.
I'm really, really, really, really digging it.
joe rogan
I'm glad you're doing it.
punkie johnson
I gotta do it, Joe.
I've been wanting to do it for so long.
And it's so crazy, too, because I thought that my hook would be...
So my trainer basically told me I'm Southpaw.
I thought I was a right-handed boxer.
He's like, no, you're a left-handed boxer.
joe rogan
Do you write with your left hand?
punkie johnson
I write with my left hand.
joe rogan
You write with your left hand?
punkie johnson
I do everything with my left hand.
joe rogan
But you fight with your left hand forward or your right hand forward?
punkie johnson
My right hand forward.
joe rogan
Okay, so you fight southpaw.
punkie johnson
Yes.
Yes.
unidentified
So I thought...
punkie johnson
I thought that my right hand was the strongest.
That's what I thought.
But my left hand is the strongest.
But I got a killer right hook, though, too.
But my left hook sucks.
But it's all in my balance.
He said, but your power is your two.
joe rogan
Right, your straight left.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
So, because I was like, no, no, no, no.
I was like, my power is my right hand.
He said, no, it's your left hand.
So we got in a fight.
So he was like, what?
So he came charging at me.
And as he was charging at me, I did this to him.
He was like, you southpaw.
If you would have did this, then you would have been...
joe rogan
Right, because you were trying to set him up for a big left hand.
punkie johnson
I stopped him with that.
He said, that is your jab hand.
That's how I know your power coming from here.
joe rogan
We know a lot of fighters, they would fight southpaw even though they were right-handed.
That was Oscar De La Hoya.
He's right-handed, but he would fight southpaw, so his strong hand would be forward.
There's different schools of thought on that.
Emmanuel Stewart did that with a lot of people.
He took guys that were natural right-handed and he put them in a southpaw stance.
Also, if you're learning from a southpaw stance, you have an advantage that most people fight orthodox.
So when you're fighting, it gives people a very...
When you fight someone who's a southpaw, it's confusing when you're boxing.
Because everything's backwards.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you're not used to it, like in the early days of boxing...
But then the best guys are guys like Terrence Crawford, who could just switch.
Or Boots Ennis, who just switch.
They just switch.
They could fight you southpaw, they could fight you orthodox, and you're like, oh Jesus.
You don't know where the fuck punches are coming from.
They're coming from everywhere.
punkie johnson
Yeah, that's why you gotta learn how to stick and move.
Get out of there.
joe rogan
Back in the day, that was really rare.
Like, Marvin Hagler was the great at that.
He was like the most famous of all.
punkie johnson
Who was it?
Marvin?
joe rogan
Marvin Hagler.
Marvelous Marvin Hagler.
Yeah, he was the middleweight champion.
He knocked out Tommy Hearns.
I mean, Hagler, in his time, was a destroyer.
And Hagler would fight.
He would switch it up all the time.
He'd fight orthodox.
He'd fight southpaw.
He can go back and forth.
He would throw a punch and switch stances.
It was very rare in Hagler's day that an elite world champion would switch stances so effortlessly.
But now you got like Terrence Crawford does it.
Like I said, Boots Ennis does it.
punkie johnson
I ain't gonna say I can't do it.
I'm saying I never have, but I might.
joe rogan
It's a good thing to learn.
If you can learn how to do things from your left side, it actually shows you how to do things better from your right side, weirdly enough.
It actually helps you.
punkie johnson
I'm still learning how to write with my right hand.
I can't even hold this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I broke my arm once when I had to do that.
I had to learn how to write and draw with my left hand.
punkie johnson
I mean, I think I can, but it's going to be awful.
joe rogan
You can.
But you have to teach your hand how to do it, which is so interesting.
Because you would think if your left hand does it so well, you would just tell your right hand to do it.
But my left hand is stupid.
It just doesn't listen good.
My right hand is like...
punkie johnson
Exactly.
I kind of like being left-handed, though.
It's like...
You know, crazily, when I was growing up, I got bullied for being left-handed.
joe rogan
A lot of people do.
punkie johnson
You know?
It's like, I was the weird one.
joe rogan
They used to think it was satanic.
punkie johnson
Yeah, it's just like...
joe rogan
They would tell left-handed people to not use their left hand back in the day.
punkie johnson
Now, I heard about that, but when I was in school, they didn't do that to me.
But the kids would bully me.
joe rogan
For being left-handed?
punkie johnson
For being out, yes.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
punkie johnson
And for having duck feet.
Do you know I look goofy?
Because I hate boxing sometimes and watching myself because I'm so goofy.
My feet are duck feet.
joe rogan
And they splay out?
punkie johnson
Yes.
And I can't get them...
You know, I'm trying to get them to stay straight.
But when I... You know, I know what happened.
I always had duck feet.
But I look so goofy when I'm boxing because I hurt my niece playing soccer...
When I was in college, I was, I don't know how to play soccer, but I was, you know, playing and I went to do a power kick and this person blocked me.
So my body went one way and my leg went the other way.
I messed my knee up.
So I just look goofy when I'm boxing, but I might use that as an advantage.
They were like, look at this goofy footed bitch.
Then I get in there and I'll whack somebody.
But I can do it, and I love it.
joe rogan
So you're really thinking about fighting.
It seems like you've got a plan in your head.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you're saying, you're like painting scenarios where people underestimate you and you fuck them up.
So in my mind, you're thinking about this.
punkie johnson
I've been thinking about it for a long time.
joe rogan
Really?
punkie johnson
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Okay, have one.
Please don't have a lot.
Don't get your head to break.
punkie johnson
I really want to do celebrity boxing.
joe rogan
Who would you want to fight?
punkie johnson
I don't know.
joe rogan
You want to call somebody out?
punkie johnson
I probably will.
I'm going to holler at my dawg.
Sam J, what's up, bitch?
Let's fight.
joe rogan
Do you think, like, how much time would you need to prepare for something like that?
punkie johnson
A month.
joe rogan
That's it?
Really?
punkie johnson
I'm telling you, I'll be out here.
joe rogan
You're doing a lot?
How often are you boxing?
punkie johnson
If I could do, if I can just, like, box six days a week for...
joe rogan
A month?
punkie johnson
24 days, you know?
joe rogan
You ready to fuck somebody up?
punkie johnson
Hell yeah!
Fucking right.
joe rogan
I believe you.
Short fingernails, no need to fuck around.
punkie johnson
I would like to fight my peers, the people that I love.
unidentified
Really?
punkie johnson
Why?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Why do you want to hurt them?
punkie johnson
Just because it's fun, which is, you know, just like messing around like kids, you know, just messing around with my partners and shit.
But I do be thinking about starting beef with people just to like...
joe rogan
Just to fuck them up?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
Especially now that you're on TV. Look, I see...
Man, look, I be watching Clarissa Fields.
I'm like, that's a big fucking...
joe rogan
Clarissa Shields.
punkie johnson
What'd I say?
joe rogan
Clarissa Fields.
punkie johnson
So, Mikey Davey making fun of me because I get everybody names wrong.
joe rogan
That's Joey Diaz's move.
There's entire videos of him saying people's names wrong.
punkie johnson
And I say it with confidence, too.
joe rogan
Of course.
That's what Joey does, too.
He calls Stipe Miocce Stiopic.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He calls him Stiopic.
He called Khabib Nurmagomedov.
He used to call him Kalabib.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fucking Kalabib gets a hold of you.
Yeah.
punkie johnson
The Kalabib.
joe rogan
Yeah, Kalabib.
punkie johnson
Kalabib.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I do have a name problem.
I'm going to get it together.
But that's a big...
She's big.
Her?
I wouldn't want to fight her.
joe rogan
You ever heard of Ann Wolfe?
punkie johnson
Oh, is that...
Ain't she old now?
joe rogan
Yes.
Ann Wolfe, she used to be a trainer.
She was training people after she fought.
What's his name?
James Kirk?
The guy, he fought Canelo.
punkie johnson
Yeah, she's a psycho.
joe rogan
She had the most vicious one-punch KO in women's boxing.
Look at that.
And she did a little dance after us.
That was, I mean, they had talked to a gang of shit before that fight.
And unfortunately, she talked a gang of shit to the wrong lady.
Because, you know, Ann Wolfe had, like, legit one-punch KO power.
James Kirkland, that's who it was.
And who eventually went on to fight Canelo.
But watch this.
punkie johnson
Look at them arms.
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
But it's also the skill.
She's setting up this overhand right.
punkie johnson
Looking at her dead eyes.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
punkie johnson
Measure, measure.
joe rogan
And then she comes forward too predictably.
Boom!
punkie johnson
Slip.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
punkie johnson
Knockout.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like one of the greatest one-punch KOs of all time.
Phenomenal.
I mean, that's an amazing punch.
Look how jacked she was, too.
punkie johnson
But that's one thing.
I don't want to get too jacked.
Because my problem is, I start doing too much arm work, I'll get jacked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good.
punkie johnson
Jacked.
Hard J. That's why I keep my hair.
Because if I cut it all off, I'm going to look like a man.
I was like, I don't want to be...
I don't want to look...
I had to chill out for a second because I don't want to get that jacked.
I still want to be a little cute.
joe rogan
Well, that's world championship jacked.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a different thing.
I mean, that's like months and months of training camp.
punkie johnson
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And Wolf...
punkie johnson
Yeah, I watched her a lot.
joe rogan
And she was one of the rare, like, female boxers that had so many guys respect that she was training men.
A lot of men.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, the men that were willing to do her routine.
But the thing is, like, Kirkland, I don't think he wanted her to do what she wanted him to do.
And they split up.
And then he went up losing to Canelo.
But she would drive.
See if you can find Anne Wolfe's strength and conditioning James Kirkland.
I gotta get to LA. See, because there was like these strength and training routines that she would put fighters through.
Like they did not want to do what she wanted to do.
She would break you.
Like her camps were notoriously brutal.
punkie johnson
Good.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's how you become a champion.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was it.
She had a no tolerance for bullshit policy when it came to training.
punkie johnson
I want to, they have this lady, Coach Cam, out in Los Angeles.
I want to go train with her.
unidentified
So here it is.
joe rogan
She's training James Kirkland.
Terrible sound.
Kirkland at one point in time was a top flight professional and she was his trainer.
Kirkland was a beast.
He was the recipient of one of Canelo's most impressive KOs.
That was the camp that he didn't work with.
It was just brutal.
It was a brutal KO. But it was also Canelo.
Canelo was one of the greatest of all time.
punkie johnson
I was upset he lost his last fight.
joe rogan
Against Dimitri Bivol, well, he won his last fight against Triple G, but the Bivol fight, Bivol's another weight class.
I mean, Canelo's a psycho.
Just the fact that he decided to go up to 175 and fight the best at 175, fight one of the champions.
Yeah, that's a crazy fight.
They're doing a rematch.
punkie johnson
Good.
joe rogan
I think that's taking place in April.
Is that what it is?
The Canelo rematch?
punkie johnson
That'd be good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a...
punkie johnson
I can't wait for that one.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
They should do that.
They should do that in Cinco de Mayo.
Let's go.
There's Mexicans fighting in Cinco de Mayo.
Oh, yeah.
punkie johnson
Better put a lot of security out that day.
It's going down.
joe rogan
Especially if he loses.
punkie johnson
Oh, yeah.
I don't think he's going to lose this one.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
punkie johnson
I don't think so.
joe rogan
How come?
Did it say September?
jamie vernon
Yeah, November announcement says in September.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
That's interesting that they announced it in November, but I'm just hearing about it now.
Maybe there was negotiations that fell through.
But I think Canelo had to get surgery on his wrist.
That's probably why it was put off so long.
He tore something on his wrist in the Triple G fight, maybe even in camp.
unidentified
Yeah, there's more updated, but I don't know.
December article says maybe in May.
joe rogan
Cinco de Mayo.
punkie johnson
One of my favorite times of the year.
joe rogan
Yeah?
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You fan of tequila?
punkie johnson
Yes.
I call it my medicine.
joe rogan
That's what you're drinking now.
This is Ron White's tequila.
punkie johnson
I love my Ron White.
joe rogan
I love Ron White too.
punkie johnson
It's all iced up now.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ron's out here all the time.
punkie johnson
I gotta hit tequila up, especially Casadoras Reposada.
I gotta hit them up.
I'm like, I love y'all.
All I drink is y'all.
Y'all need to hook a girl up.
Because I already have my little slogan and everything for them.
joe rogan
Oh, you have a slogan?
punkie johnson
They have their agenda.
I have my tequila.
All is right with the world.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
Well, I'm glad you documented on this show so they can't snatch that.
jamie vernon
Don't let them steal that.
punkie johnson
There you go.
unidentified
That's good.
punkie johnson
Right?
joe rogan
They have their agenda.
I have my tequila.
All is right with the word.
punkie johnson
All is fucking right.
joe rogan
That's a good commercial.
punkie johnson
I'm trying to tell you.
That's not bad at all.
unidentified
That's pretty good.
punkie johnson
I just want to whisper that one.
That's my shit.
But it's good.
I like some Añejo.
I don't really like too much dark stuff.
unidentified
Like whiskey?
punkie johnson
The only reason why, not taste-wise, because I would love to sip me a good whiskey or a good cognac, but I get a little crazy.
joe rogan
You get crazy on whiskey?
punkie johnson
On a brown, yeah.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Interesting.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
Just a little weird.
joe rogan
I always wonder if there's any science to that.
unidentified
I do too.
joe rogan
Because people do believe that.
punkie johnson
Well, if I drink vodka, I could get a little mean.
Tequila, I'm chilling all night.
joe rogan
Okay, Russians, vodka, mean.
Tequila, Mexicans, siesta, kickback.
punkie johnson
Whiskey, I'll go home and start acting crazy.
joe rogan
Wild West.
When I think of whiskey, I think Wild West.
I think shootouts, Clint Eastwood movies, corks.
Pulling off the bottle of whiskey with a cork.
unidentified
Gin make me emotional.
punkie johnson
Emotional?
I'll go back down memory lane so hard on gin.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Where's gin originate from?
Is that like European?
What's gin?
I think I've had gin like twice in my life.
punkie johnson
Can't drink gin.
joe rogan
I just, for whatever reason, gin and tonic seems like something I would drink before I die.
Like when I'm ready to cash it in.
unidentified
I'll have a gin and tonic.
joe rogan
You know, I'd be like playing bridge with my neighbor.
punkie johnson
It's like, oh no.
jamie vernon
The Middle Ages, it says.
joe rogan
The Middle Ages?
In Europe?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
There you go.
So it's European.
Back in the suffering days, everybody had syphilis.
punkie johnson
There we go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
So there is a science to it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder.
Well, you know, some people believe that psychedelics in particular, that every time you engage in it, you're not just engaging in this one individual experience, but you're sharing the experiences of everyone who's ever done those psychedelics.
Right.
way of thinking about it because if that is the case that maybe applies to alcohol as well and if it does apply to alcohol and that this thing that you're drinking you're not just drinking tequila but you're also tapping into like a well of experiences that other people who drank tequila have had or vodka or whiskey which would make sense would why people get wild with whiskey and
If you think about all the Kentucky bourbon that was made in this country where people were fucking shooting Indians and just train robberies, fucking shooting buffaloes.
I mean, whiskey has probably had some of the most violent, fucked up experiences in this country attached to it.
In the early days of this country?
Fuck!
punkie johnson
Yeah, I gotta, yeah.
joe rogan
And that's why Moonshine is the crazy.
punkie johnson
Now see, Moonshine...
joe rogan
You're gonna wake up in the middle of a shootout with the cops.
punkie johnson
I am a fucking sociopath on fucking Moonshine.
I had to stop drinking Moonshine.
I'm divorced now, but I almost lost my wife when I was married when I was drinking Moonshine.
I don't know why.
I would just get fucking naked in public.
joe rogan
What if that's it?
What if that really is it?
What if, like, when you take in a substance, you're not just taking in that substance, but you're taking in the body of all the other people that have had that experience on that substance and you're sharing some weird vibe?
It's a crazy way of looking at it.
punkie johnson
I know.
I mean, I'm considering that it can be a factor.
joe rogan
I'm thinking about it now for the first time.
I've thought about it before with mushrooms, and I've thought about it before with psychedelics.
I think there might be something to that.
Because psychedelics are so weird.
Like, when you're doing them, like, maybe that is part of what's going on here.
Maybe everyone who's ever had this experience leaves something in there.
You experience something with them.
punkie johnson
I do want to try ayahuasca.
I'm scared of it.
I don't like when I can't control what I'm doing.
And I feel like that's something that you can't control because I've heard people that's done it.
And afterward, they love it.
But while they're dealing with it and going through it, they can't control what's happening to them.
joe rogan
No, you can't control the trip.
punkie johnson
No.
joe rogan
You can't control DMT. You can't control mushrooms either.
And when you try to, that's when you have the bad trips.
punkie johnson
I want to do it so much because I feel like just when you cross over to the other side of that, it's just this peace that you, this inner peace that you have within yourself that I think it might be worth it to do it.
joe rogan
What if you do it and you don't want to box anymore?
It's all about love to punky.
punkie johnson
No, first of all, no.
Peace and love.
No, if that's the case, I ain't never doing that shit.
I gotta knock somebody the fuck out.
unidentified
You know?
punkie johnson
But I just...
unidentified
Oh, man.
punkie johnson
I'm scared, Joe.
You ever done it?
joe rogan
I have not done ayahuasca.
I've only done DMT, but I'm scheduled to do it.
punkie johnson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Soon?
Are you going to film it?
joe rogan
No!
Somebody asked me to do something like that with mushrooms.
I'm like, that's not a thing you should do.
punkie johnson
Well, for yourself, because I do want to see me trip.
joe rogan
But you don't even want to know a camera's there.
You don't want to be thinking about any other thing.
You want to get the most out of the experience, at least me personally.
And I feel like if you're filming it, you're going to be aware that there's cameras.
There's an element.
Part of psychedelics that's very important is set and setting.
Some people think that whenever you take certain psychedelics, like sacred psychedelics, like psilocybin for instance, you should have...
A very peaceful setting, and you should set it up correctly, and you should also get your mind into a good place before you do it.
Maybe do some yoga.
Don't eat anything.
Get your mind right.
Calm yourself down.
Maybe meditate and prepare yourself.
punkie johnson
Correct.
joe rogan
You're going for a wild ride.
You've got to be ready to just relinquish control of the reins.
punkie johnson
Maybe I'll try mushrooms again.
I did mushrooms once.
I was like, no, I'm not doing anything.
joe rogan
What happened?
punkie johnson
I couldn't see color.
Everything was one color.
And it didn't matter what I did to my eyes, it didn't matter how much I blanked them, how long I kept my clothes and opened them.
What color was it?
Red.
How long I slapped my face.
So you were seeing red.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Literally seeing red.
punkie johnson
Yes.
It was like a screen.
joe rogan
So instead of black and white, it was like black and red?
punkie johnson
Yes.
Yes.
joe rogan
So you could see objects?
punkie johnson
I saw everything, but everything was red.
unidentified
Whoa.
punkie johnson
And I'm just like, nah, I'm good.
joe rogan
How long did that last?
punkie johnson
A couple hours.
It was a couple hours.
joe rogan
What else happened?
punkie johnson
It wasn't like 24 hours.
joe rogan
Right.
punkie johnson
But it was just a couple hours.
That's why I don't ever want to try acid, because I heard that that's like a 24-hour trip.
joe rogan
Supposedly can be.
punkie johnson
Yeah, I don't want to...
I'm never talking about...
I've heard stories of people thinking they're drowning.
I'm like, fuck that.
Because if you think you're drowning, motherfucker, you're drowning.
I ain't doing that.
So, nah.
Mm-mm.
I just don't ever want to be in a position to where, like, I saw this movie and this guy, like, controlled, like, if you cross this guy the wrong way, I think it was called Hypnotist or something.
If you cross this guy the wrong way, he would hypnotize you and make you think that you were in a stressful situation and you could die.
Like, this one woman, the walls were closing in on her.
She was rude to him.
I made him mad.
And the walls were closing in on her in her mind, but they weren't.
And she fucking had a heart attack and died.
And I feel like sometimes a drug can do that to you and I'm not trying to go out like that.
Fuck that.
joe rogan
I think if you are definitely, if you have a tendency towards anxiety and paranoia and you freak out like as you're sober, that yeah, it's probably not a good thing for you.
punkie johnson
No, I do have anxiety, but it ain't that crazy.
But the acid, I think I will freak out like that.
That's why I think ayahuasca is what I should do.
joe rogan
Maybe try the mushrooms again.
Maybe you got a bad batch.
punkie johnson
I think so, right?
joe rogan
Where'd you get them from?
Don't say it.
Don't say it online.
punkie johnson
Oh, no.
That bitch will kill me.
But I was also very, very young, too.
I was in my teens.
So, it's about 20 years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's amazing how many people do mushrooms who don't talk about it.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've had so many people hit me up that, you know, you go, really?
Okay.
You do them.
Wild.
You know?
Fucking Jordan Peterson did eight grams.
Talked about it.
punkie johnson
Eight?
joe rogan
Eight grams.
Yeah.
punkie johnson
Of mushrooms?
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
In one sitting?
unidentified
Yeah.
punkie johnson
All stretched out all day.
joe rogan
Yeah, he talked about it.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
What a profound experience it was.
Yeah.
The idea is the heroic dose.
The big one.
punkie johnson
Okay.
All right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
A profound experience.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He didn't just see red.
What did you take, like a little bit?
punkie johnson
I don't remember.
It was like a peer pressure situation.
I was very, very young.
It was like an in-crowd type.
I wasn't my own person at the time and I just fell into the pressure and I took the shit and I was already paranoid.
joe rogan
The problem is all that shit is not regulated.
You don't know where the fuck it's from.
It's with everything that's illegal.
That's the number one problem besides overdoses.
Overdoses are also connected to that.
No one knows what's in it.
No one knows what it is, where you got it.
You're just getting it from a guy who got it from someone else.
You don't know the supply chain.
You don't know who's growing it.
punkie johnson
Yeah.
I don't know nothing about the legalities of mushrooms.
joe rogan
They're very illegal.
punkie johnson
I had no fucking clue.
I've never heard anybody getting arrested for having mushrooms ever in my life.
joe rogan
Well, most people don't, honestly.
And if they do, it's like a large number of them they're trying to distribute.
But they're used therapeutically.
Like John Hopkins University did a study on them therapeutically.
They're talking about using them for veterans with PTSD and other people with PTSD therapeutically.
punkie johnson
I think I can understand that.
joe rogan
Yeah, people that at the last stages of their life, it helps alleviate the tension of worrying that you're going to die.
punkie johnson
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of benefits that people are showing with psychedelic therapy, and there's a company called MAPS that's exploring a lot of those, and particularly MDMA. They use MDMA for a lot of people with post-traumatic stress disorder.
punkie johnson
I was with a friend of mine in Oklahoma.
I'll tell you who it is after.
And he, it was like, you know, of course, everybody's all stressed out.
It's like after COVID, I'm driving out the country.
I mean, across the country to get to New Orleans.
I stopped in Oklahoma with one of my friends.
And the whole time he's like, I need MDMA. And I don't know too much about it.
I'm like, what the fuck is MDMA? He's like, I need it.
I gotta find it.
So we go out.
Oklahoma didn't give a fuck about COVID. Two months after COVID hit, we go out to this blazing hot nightclub.
I mean, it is lit.
No mask, no vaccine was even thought of at the time.
People don't give a fuck.
We happy.
We all out with the people.
You know, I'm like, fuck it.
We sick now.
Shit, I'm just gonna call it.
We got COVID. Fuck it.
We here.
This motherfucker disappears.
Okay?
He's gone.
I call my homeboy.
I'm like, we can't find, let's call him Brian.
We can't find Brian.
So we all go outside.
We looking for Brian.
Brian ain't nowhere to be found.
We roll around the block.
We come.
Oh my God, we can't find Brian.
Finally, we find Brian in this parking lot buying MDMA from these, like, it's like six black dudes with tattoos all in his face.
And mind you, the way he looked, he did not belong over there with those black guys.
And the black guy, I walk up to him, I'm like, Brian, what are you doing?
He's like, MDMA. And the black guy, he looks at me, he was like, he gave him the drugs, he's like, hurry up and get this motherfucker away from me.
I was like, okay.
So we get him away from him, and we go to my Jeep, and then my friend, he's talking shit to these black dudes, calling them all kinds of blah, blah, blahs.
And I'm like, what are you doing?
Shut the fuck up!
You're gonna get us killed!
unidentified
And...
punkie johnson
The dudes came over and he was like, you're lucky y'all came out here to get him.
Because if he were to say one more fucking thing, we would have whipped his ass.
And he looked up and said, one more fucking thing.
Next thing I know, these dudes, next thing I know, his ass got knocked the fuck out.
I mean, I'm talking about knocked out to his nose in the ground.
Look like he's planking, right?
So these dudes that attacked him, I'm telling you, they was raised by their grandmother or someone sweet because they could have attacked us too.
They just got his ass.
They was like, y'all ain't doing nothing.
We're just going to beat his ass.
So we trying to pick him up, but we gave him a worse concussion because that dead weight was so heavy.
We pick him up.
He busts all his face open again.
So finally, we get some help.
We put him in a Jeep.
And after about 20 minutes, he wakes up.
He wakes up.
I had all my clothes in the back.
I got, like, my underwear wrapped around his bloody face.
unidentified
Oh, no.
punkie johnson
And he's like, what is this?
What is this?
We're like, you stupid motherfucker.
You got knocked out, you dumb bitch.
You could have got us killed.
And he said, who got knocked out?
I got knocked out?
unidentified
Oh, no.
punkie johnson
We're like, you know you got knocked the fuck out if you don't remember being knocked the fuck out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
punkie johnson
It was, I'm like, it must have was worth it.
joe rogan
Probably not.
Probably that could have been avoided.
unidentified
Oh no, he still had the fucking pills in him.
Death clutch.
joe rogan
Buys alcohol.
punkie johnson
That motherfucker ain't dropping out of one.
joe rogan
Oh god.
punkie johnson
I'm like, alright.
joe rogan
Listen to this podcast so I can find out who that is.
punkie johnson
Oh, not a problem.
You're gonna fucking die laughing, man.
joe rogan
I appreciate you very much.
And it's beautiful to see you succeed.
I'm very, very happy for you.
I think it's awesome.
punkie johnson
I appreciate it.
This is one thing I could cross off my bucket list.
This was a dream come true being on the show.
Thank you for that.
joe rogan
My friend, congratulations.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
punkie johnson
Thank you very much.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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