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Joe Rogan Experience #1909 - Stavros Halkias
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It's kind of a weird thing that we're here, in Austin.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
unidentified
It's weird here.
stavros halkias
Yeah, because LA, it's like famous people are everywhere.
joe rogan
They're everywhere.
stavros halkias
They know how to act.
People know how to act.
Here, it's just starting a little bit.
joe rogan
It's just like Matthew McConaughey.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elon, but Elon never goes anywhere.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's always working on five different companies.
stavros halkias
Right.
Who else?
Who else is in Austin?
joe rogan
Zach Levy, but he lives out a little bit further out in the country.
stavros halkias
Yeah, just McConaughey.
jamie vernon
Dawson moved here.
James Van Der Beek.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
He's here.
joe rogan
And then the other...
There's a few guys.
stavros halkias
Well, it's also, I think, podcast famous.
joe rogan
Sandra Bullock, but she's never here either.
She's always working.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
So I think podcast fame and internet fame, it's like people, you're much more approachable too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
You know, because it's like you're in their ears.
joe rogan
Well, they 100% know you.
stavros halkias
100% know you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
They know all the most embarrassing stories you told.
Seven years ago when you were like, podcasting isn't going to catch on.
And you talked about, you know, things you put in your ass in middle school.
They're like, oh.
joe rogan
Bro, 12 years ago for me.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we started off with a fucking laptop using a webcam.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's high as fuck.
stavros halkias
Just recording directly to the webcam, like the laptop audio?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, we had some sort of a USB microphone.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But we also did everything completely obliterated.
We were doing volcano hits.
unidentified
Oh, dude!
stavros halkias
The volcano.
That's a beautiful thing.
joe rogan
You didn't know why you were saying it.
While you were saying it, you're like, what am I saying?
stavros halkias
Of course.
Well, no one's going to listen.
Who gives a fuck?
I'm just having fun.
And then they did.
joe rogan
Back then, it was like...
You know, a good episode would have like 2,000 people.
For real.
stavros halkias
Now a tweet that gets 2,000, I'm like, bombed.
joe rogan
I know, what happened?
stavros halkias
It went wrong.
joe rogan
It's fucking fascinating to see the difference in tweets now.
Because people aren't scared to post what they really think about something.
So like NBC News will post something, and then underneath it, you'll just see a cascade of people shitting all over them.
And harshly.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
It's wild.
stavros halkias
They're making death threats?
joe rogan
No, not that.
stavros halkias
They're like, fuck you, Tucker.
joe rogan
But they can be funny again and not worry about getting banned or shadow banned or any of that stuff.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
No, I barely...
I honestly barely use Twitter anymore.
It's just like...
joe rogan
Me too.
stavros halkias
Purely for...
All social media, honestly, I just do the fucking, because it's comedy and you have to get people out to stuff.
joe rogan
Right, promotion.
stavros halkias
I really don't think people should use that.
I mean, I'm not breaking any ground here, but it's like, I barely, you know.
joe rogan
You and I are on the same page.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Dude, I put my phone away for, like, this summer.
I went back to Baltimore.
I lost, like, 20 pounds with my brother.
My brother's a trainer.
And I just didn't use my phone.
I was fucking eating right.
I was working out every day.
Fucking, I felt great.
I was like, this is awesome.
I'm going to go into the next leg of the tour.
I'm in New York for like four days and I'm like, I'm just going to check Instagram to try and get pussy.
And I haven't been off it for more than 20 minutes for four months.
You know what I mean?
And I was like, you know what you have to do.
But it's like, you know, you can't stop.
And then the fucking algorithm gets you, bro.
The TikTok algorithm.
joe rogan
I don't fuck with TikTok, but apparently that's the worst.
I was just going to say that I was listening to Chris Williamson.
Do you know him?
stavros halkias
No.
joe rogan
He's another guy who's out here in Austin.
Great.
Really interesting, intelligent guy.
He runs a great podcast.
But he had Scott Galloway on.
And they were talking about how TikTok is essentially engineered to keep us engaged and also accentuate all of our disagreements and arguments.
And make America look like a real shithole.
stavros halkias
I didn't even think about the disagreements.
Because my feed is like, they've completely got me.
It's like fucking just a nice sandwich.
And I'm trying to get fucking jacked these days.
So it's like just fat guys' weight loss journeys.
They know everything.
And then it's like a muscle girl, which I'm into now.
You know what I mean?
They've created a new fetish for me just off of fucking...
It started with just like instructional stuff.
And now it's just like some girl who's just fucking...
You know, crushing a watermelon with her thighs and then deadlifting like, you know, 800 pounds and I'm like...
unidentified
You like those.
stavros halkias
I'm in.
You like those?
Yeah, I'm in.
I want those.
Because in my mind, that's got to be...
There's got to be one of them that wants to fuck a fat guy to like...
joe rogan
Straighten them out.
stavros halkias
Exactly.
unidentified
It's a project.
stavros halkias
You fucking fat piece of shit.
Like just...
Just pinching my tits.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
stavros halkias
And I'm like...
I'm a fucking little fat fellow.
I'm your fuck pig.
She's got me oinking while she's eating my ass.
That's got to exist.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
And you're going to find her after the show.
stavros halkias
That's why I'm here, Joe.
joe rogan
She's reaching.
Right now, she's got her thumbs moving.
stavros halkias
Gals, hit me up.
The DMs are open.
joe rogan
Girls that jacked have to be really horny, too.
stavros halkias
You'd think so.
joe rogan
I bet they're super physical.
stavros halkias
Yeah, because you're in peak physical shape, so it's like all your hormones and shit must be firing off.
joe rogan
And I think nature would tell you that if you're a woman and you have to lift all this heavy stuff, then you're in trouble.
The men aren't doing their job.
They're not defending the village.
You're preparing for war.
So probably all your testosterone ramps up.
stavros halkias
You're floating the pheromones out there to get a warrior, so the pussy's probably a top notch.
joe rogan
Top notch.
stavros halkias
Because if your body thinks you're in distress, they want to get a mongol to make you his wife.
joe rogan
Yeah, some super fucking killer viking character.
unidentified
It's probably tight like a drum, too.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
joe rogan
100%.
stavros halkias
Oh my god.
They could probably lift me.
They could probably do deadlifts.
Put my dick in, clench, and then just do squats.
That's probably possible.
joe rogan
If you've seen that picture, it's a meme, the type of men who wear masks in their car, and it is a woman holding a guy up while they make out, and the guy's got his legs wrapped around the woman.
stavros halkias
By the way, I'm in.
Sounds awesome.
joe rogan
Do you want her to keep the wristbands on?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Chalked hands, like she's deadlifted.
stavros halkias
Oh my god.
I want my dick to get chained from the calluses.
I want my dick to feel like it's been at the spa all day.
Like it's been completely rubbed off.
A new layer of skin comes off every time I get jacked off by those Like a salt bath.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Like you've been scrubbed.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
100%.
That's what I want.
I didn't know that about myself, but I'm in there.
And then listen, I'm still- You find out things.
You find out through the algorithm.
joe rogan
You don't know what you like until you see it.
stavros halkias
No.
I did hook up with one girl that was strong, and I think she had that thing going on.
She just kind of DM'd me, and I was like, fuck yeah, let's get in there.
And it was nice.
I was going down on her, and I had like- Giant thighs just wrapped around my head to the point where I was started to no joke I'm not exaggerating just blackout like I started seeing spots and I was like if I don't make her come I'm going to die and there was like a fucking thrill to that there was like it felt like Indiana Jones sliding under the fucking thing with the You know what I mean?
I was like, I have moments to make this woman bust before I lose consciousness.
It was fucking thrilling.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
joe rogan
But I guarantee you there's a thing like that.
unidentified
There's gotta be.
joe rogan
Where a woman, like, doesn't even want a powerful man.
She just wants a guy that she could turn into a project.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
Because women always do that with guys anyway.
stavros halkias
Sure.
joe rogan
The same type of women that adopt, like, sad dogs.
stavros halkias
Right.
unidentified
I'm a fucked up bulldog.
joe rogan
A lot of people, they'll take on projects with people.
Brian Callen used to always do that.
He used to have these gals that he would date.
I'd be like, Brian, fucking stop.
It's okay.
I'm going to help you out.
It was always a disaster.
They want meth heads.
stavros halkias
Wild shit.
I'm ready to be someone's disaster.
I'm ready to have a good three months until I slip off my diet and they're like, I found fucking oatmeal cream pies wrappers in the garbage.
I'm like, I don't know what to tell you, babe.
Somebody must have broken in and had fucking a dove bar because it wasn't me.
I was doing fucking...
joe rogan
Burpees.
stavros halkias
I was doing burpees.
I was doing lat pull downs, I swear to God.
That was when I was doing hot yoga, babe.
She kicked me out.
There's a PS5 and she kicks it and just snacks fall out of it.
I've taken all the hard drive, I've taken all the games out and it's just fucking Twizzlers and fucking chocolates.
joe rogan
She finds a secret fridge filled with coke.
stavros halkias
I'm like, those are my family heirlooms from Greece.
Don't touch those.
unidentified
That's the sad thing.
If you're in a relationship and you have to hide what you actually like.
stavros halkias
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, oh, man.
stavros halkias
Well, I think part of it is because a lot of my relationships...
You know, I'm big on therapy.
I've been thinking about this shit all the time.
A lot of my relationships, what I'm into is someone who just treats me way too good.
Because it's like, that's my mom kind of coddled me.
I was a mama's boy.
I was the firstborn.
I was like a...
One of those smart, precocious little kids who's always saying something fun.
And so every time I've really, really liked a girl to be in a serious relationship, she's just kind of like over the top.
I wouldn't have to hide anything because they're like, oh, you can't even help it.
And I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't.
And so I think part of me wants like, yeah, fucking throw me through the ringer.
joe rogan
Some hot mama.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
How much stepmom porn is there out there?
stavros halkias
There's a lot out there.
joe rogan
It seems crazy.
stavros halkias
I think it's out.
joe rogan
What happened?
When did this emerge?
Every now and then I check in.
stavros halkias
I don't know.
joe rogan
There's a whole different wave of genre going on.
stavros halkias
That is huge.
I don't know what it is.
See, that's the weird thing.
You would think I would have mommy shit.
I don't have that.
I find it disgusting.
joe rogan
I think stepmom shit is different.
Stepmom is different.
Dad is divorced, but dad's rich, and dad marries this really hot slut, but dad's at work all day.
He's gotta fucking run the corporation.
And you're this jock son in college.
That's like all of them.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
That sounds pretty good.
You know what I'm in?
joe rogan
It's like a classic fucking Joseph Campbell genre.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the hero's journey.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
stavros halkias
It starts at dinner one day.
joe rogan
Because no one feels bad for anyone involved.
No one feels bad that she's cheating on the son.
The son is in college, so that's fine.
The dad is probably some rich piece of shit.
stavros halkias
Yeah, emotionally abusive, neglectful.
joe rogan
Probably cheated on his mom, who was an amazing woman, and now he's with this floozy.
stavros halkias
She died.
She had chemotherapy.
He wasn't there.
joe rogan
He wasn't there.
He didn't give a fuck.
He was at the office.
stavros halkias
No, he was at the office.
joe rogan
And now he's got this new one.
stavros halkias
Exactly.
joe rogan
And she's a fucking weightlifter.
stavros halkias
Oh, now we're talking.
Let's fucking get it all together.
unidentified
Weightlifter wearing pumps, giant thighs, fucking jacks.
stavros halkias
Now we're getting into what I'm liking.
She comes into my room.
She's like, why haven't you done your homework?
I'm like, you're not my real mom.
She's like, what the fuck did you say to me?
Picks me up against the wall.
That's now we're talking.
joe rogan
And then you lean towards and she just goes for it.
She starts making out with you.
Oh my god.
She holds you up with one arm where she's grabbing your dick with the other one.
stavros halkias
Crazy.
From behind.
But doesn't let me come the first time.
She's like, finish your homework.
Maybe you'll bust next time.
I'm like, yes, ma'am.
I've become a model student.
I'm in a little tie, shooting tie.
Well, hello, father.
joe rogan
Dude, we might just created the new genre of porn.
stavros halkias
It's gotta advance.
joe rogan
Female trainer, like muscular female.
The thing is, like, how many, like, really jacked muscular females go into porn?
stavros halkias
True.
joe rogan
Probably a very small minority.
stavros halkias
Very small minority.
I've done the research.
It's not that many.
Half-jacked off to a couple of these videos.
joe rogan
I don't think that's a genre yet.
stavros halkias
No, but we'll get there.
joe rogan
You have to get people to train for it, like Cirque du Soleil.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get these gals going, look, there's a whole new genre.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
If porn was organized the way film and television was...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
stavros halkias
We need a...
joe rogan
Look at this gal!
Holding that guy over her head, holy shit!
Look at the size of her!
How big is that dude?
stavros halkias
He's a little guy.
joe rogan
But bro, she looks like she's got some fucking stock genetics.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Like that will make you a barbarian.
stavros halkias
That'll make you a warrior.
That guy's foot could fit in her pussy.
joe rogan
Look at the size of her fucking legs and her ass muscles.
The way she's hoisting that guy one arm over her head.
Let's just assume he's a tiny guy.
stavros halkias
Tiny guy.
joe rogan
He's gotta weigh a hundred pounds.
stavros halkias
Let's say 5'2", a hundred pounds.
joe rogan
Even if he's 100 pounds over your head with one arm like that, it's crazy.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the fact that it's this woman who's very womanly.
stavros halkias
When is this from?
19th century muscle women.
jamie vernon
I was looking at other pictures and just saw that.
joe rogan
Bro, that is 100% like Viking genetics.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
stavros halkias
Oh, you got two little guys.
joe rogan
Two little guys with one arm over her head.
stavros halkias
And that's the thing, no one could, you weren't allowed to jack off to stuff, you know, plainly, this couldn't be a sex thing, but this was 100% a sex thing back then.
joe rogan
Look at the size of her, and she's holding three guys on her arms.
Holy shit.
stavros halkias
What did she do?
This seems like the same lady.
jamie vernon
This is a genre.
stavros halkias
She's lost to history.
joe rogan
No offense to this long-since-past woman, but she has a very masculine face.
stavros halkias
She does.
joe rogan
That easily could be a guy that sells you IT service.
Right?
That's the guy who comes in with a clipboard and says, like, do you guys want high-speed internet?
Like, how many gigabytes do you guys think you use?
stavros halkias
Oh, you don't need that upload speed.
You guys are fine where you're at.
joe rogan
Go back to that picture.
stavros halkias
They don't like when I say this, but you guys are fine.
joe rogan
Is that the same person?
Come on, man.
That's a...
That easily could be a guy who works at Google.
stavros halkias
Have to throw a vest on her?
joe rogan
Yeah, like a stout guy, too.
Look how stout she looks.
stavros halkias
Yeah, because she's got the corset.
Who knows when she'd actually be like, damn.
joe rogan
Look at the fucking guns on that lady.
stavros halkias
Oh, hell yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Oh my God, you like that.
stavros halkias
Out of the back!
I'm into backs, too.
joe rogan
How much did they know about lifting weights and getting bigger?
stavros halkias
Back then?
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
unidentified
It is crazy.
joe rogan
Did you really stop and think about it?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, people didn't really figure that out until, like, a couple hundred years ago.
Well, if, like, no one looked like Ronnie Coleman until Ronnie Coleman.
stavros halkias
No, totally.
No, there's even, like...
joe rogan
That's, like...
We're talking about decades of difference between Frank Zane and what they do today.
stavros halkias
I think, was it Lynn Swan?
joe rogan
I don't remember who it was.
Katie Sandwina?
That's her name?
stavros halkias
There was a running back.
unidentified
It was in 1884. Look at the size of that lady.
stavros halkias
There was a running back on the Bears.
I'm blanking on his name.
joe rogan
There's videos of her?
jamie vernon
I mean, it's pictures.
stavros halkias
That's a tough angle.
I'm actually off the Katie train.
joe rogan
Maybe it was later in life.
Maybe she kept accelerating.
Oh, she was enormous.
Look at the size of her.
stavros halkias
She was 16, and his name was Hyman, who was 19?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, dude.
stavros halkias
Oh, they got married, hell yeah.
Short king and a big lady, now we're talking.
jamie vernon
182 centimeters, how tall is that?
stavros halkias
Now we're, I don't know.
I should know that.
joe rogan
Let's guess.
Six foot two.
stavros halkias
I'm going to say 5'11".
Let's see.
597 feet.
jamie vernon
Does it count as six foot?
joe rogan
Six foot?
jamie vernon
I was right about six foot, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, she's six foot.
unidentified
Alright, there we go.
joe rogan
It's a big lady.
stavros halkias
Big lady.
joe rogan
Big stout lady.
stavros halkias
So the running back, I'm blanking on his name, but literally the trainers, he was like, hey, should I lift weights like the defensive, you know, like the linemen?
And they were like, no, that'll slow you down.
Like they literally had no one, this is in the 70s, the NFL. That was with boxing too.
It's crazy, dude.
joe rogan
In the boxing era, like of like Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard, it was like commonly thought that if you lifted weights, it would slow you down.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it would ruin your punching power.
They would only do calisthenics.
Like Marvin Hagler did just sit-ups and push-ups and stuff like that.
stavros halkias
You'd have to be a freak of nature to make it, which is even more impressive.
joe rogan
Not necessarily.
stavros halkias
You don't think so?
joe rogan
No, because there's a lot of exercise.
There's a lot of thought to just getting very efficient at the technique when it comes to fighting.
Some people believe in strength and conditioning as the primary.
They think that that's more important than anything.
There's a school of thought, like the Marv Marinovich school of thought, which was, you already know how to fight, so get in insane shape.
And so he had guys doing these crazy plyometrics and all these different jumping boxes and stuff.
You know who BJ Penn is?
stavros halkias
BJ Penn?
joe rogan
BJ Penn.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
One of the greatest fighters of all time.
stavros halkias
Yes.
joe rogan
And BJ's in his prime, BJ was training with Marinovich's.
So he was just doing these unbelievably brutal cardio workouts every day and almost no martial arts.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
And then he would go and have a gas tank that was off the charts.
When you got a guy who's already as talented as BJ with zero fear of getting tired, he was the GOAT. There was a fight that I'd If you ever want to see, it'd be Khabib Nurmagomedov in his prime versus B.J. Penn in those years in the Marinovich years.
B.J. Penn was a motherfucker, man.
stavros halkias
He was a motherfucker.
I did have an era, actually.
My little brothers are much more into UFC shit, but the Penn era, I was in there a little bit.
We'd go to Buffalo Wild Wings at White Marsh Mall, me and my brothers, and we would watch UFC shit, but that's the last, you know, that's my last, you know, frame of reference.
Like, I don't catch up with it.
I'm not with it as much anymore, but...
joe rogan
BJ Penn was so unusual that he won the 155-pound title, he won the 170-pound title, and he fought heavyweight.
stavros halkias
That's fucking wild.
joe rogan
He fought Lyoto Machida as a heavyweight.
stavros halkias
That is fucking insane.
Bro!
Gangster!
He's just gangster!
joe rogan
When he fought Lyoto, he wasn't even doing that stuff.
That was pre-Prime BJ. That was when he would just fucking train.
And he just ate.
He's like, fuck it, I'll fight anybody.
Leota Machina was like a UFC light heavyweight champion at one point in time.
This was before the UFC, but Leota was still a bad motherfucker.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
BJ fought him at heavyweight.
stavros halkias
I do love that.
It's bonkers.
I love when a guy towards the end just kind of gets a little fat, doesn't give a fuck.
That's the coolest.
joe rogan
That makes me sad.
stavros halkias
I love it, dude.
joe rogan
That makes me sad.
stavros halkias
Tony Gwynn, fat as shit, still fucking never striking out.
It was awesome.
joe rogan
That's different.
Baseball is different.
stavros halkias
I guess you're right than combat sports.
joe rogan
Yeah combat sports when guys don't want to do it anymore They gotta stop because there's a like a one foot in one foot out thing that happens and you just get your shit And then some young guy comes up and or young gal comes up and he or she fucks you up And that's just how it goes these kids that are coming up.
They they're fucking unburdened by life Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They've only been alive for 22 years.
They have fucking unbelievable bodies that recover quickly.
And if they train well, and also they grow up learning it on television and watching it on YouTube.
They're seeing martial arts from the time they were little kids.
So all these techniques, they're practicing when they're fucking around with their friends.
stavros halkias
And there's nothing cooler than dethroning a legend.
joe rogan
Nothing cool.
stavros halkias
So they're coming at you with everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody wants to be Mike Tyson.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Mike Tyson was 20 years old.
He wins the heavyweight championship.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And everybody's like, whoa!
stavros halkias
Fully.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
stavros halkias
No one wants to be Mike Tyson getting knocked out.
joe rogan
No one wants to be Tyson when he retired.
stavros halkias
I think it was 90?
Was it February 11th, 1990?
Because it was a year after I was born.
Or it was when he...
joe rogan
But he lost to Buster Douglas?
stavros halkias
Yes, the Buster Douglas fight.
joe rogan
But even after the Buster Douglas fight, he was still Mike Tyson.
People were still terrified of him.
stavros halkias
He was just like a little resting on his laurels, you know.
Fucking the maid.
That's the best story of all time.
joe rogan
He was out of control.
He'll tell you what he was doing.
He was out of fucking control.
He fought on drugs.
He fought sick.
He was sick.
When he knocked out Michael Spinks, he had some sort of venereal disease.
No bullshit.
Dude, Mike Tyson in that era...
stavros halkias
Dick leaking.
Just fucking throwing haymakers.
joe rogan
You gotta think, like, part of the reason why he was so good was because he was so wild.
But also, if he wasn't...
If he just maximized his insane potential and was like a Marvin Hagler type guy who just did nothing but train and trained in solitude and yet only had his eyes on the prize, only had his eyes on beating the best in the world.
stavros halkias
I just don't think.
It was a different person.
You know what I mean?
Exactly.
It's like, and you lose that essence.
I think fully, it's like.
joe rogan
Maybe.
stavros halkias
He's one of the, I know what you mean.
It's nice to think about it as like a video game and it's like just run him through.
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
He's your creative character and it's like, but the same guy who had that kind of power, he needed to, he needed to fucking ask the housekeeper to suck him off.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
stavros halkias
Like.
When they kept, that's my favorite story about when they were like, you can't go out, Mike, you gotta, and he just fucked the maids.
And it was just like, that's who he fucking was.
And it's like, yeah, that's the guy who's gonna, he's gonna fight with gonorrhea.
joe rogan
Yes.
stavros halkias
And he's still gonna be, he's still gonna knock you out.
joe rogan
Yeah, in one round.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Knocks out Michael Spinks, who's an all-time great light heavyweight.
stavros halkias
Fully.
joe rogan
Who had just beat Larry Holmes.
Yeah, Tyson and his...
That's what everybody wants to be.
You want to be that young, upsurging phenom.
Like BJ was when BJ was in his youth too.
The same kind of thing.
When he was coming through the ranks, he was this young upstart.
stavros halkias
But nothing for you...
I mean, that's what you want because that zenith is so high.
Like that moment when you're fucking taking it.
But it's like...
I don't know, man.
Wouldn't you rather just have the...
What would you rather...
The glory?
The like, you know...
And then the fall?
Or would you want to just get the glory and...
Maintain is probably the best thing, right?
That's what you want to be.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
But if you had to choose one or the other...
I'm really into the...
I'm reading the Iliad.
I'm really into the Trojan War shit right now.
And it's like Achilles had that thing where they were like, you have two options.
You can be a short life, but you're the most fucking big dick warrior of all time.
Everyone will be scared of you.
You'll go down in the history books forever.
Or a long life, no one's ever heard of you.
You're happy.
You have kids.
And he obviously chooses that.
He chooses like, fuck yeah, dude.
Let's go fuck some shit up.
And then he's the fucking man.
He's so cool.
But then in the Odyssey, Odysseus has to go to like Hades.
And he finds Achilles.
And he's like, I fucked up, dude.
This fucking sucks.
I hate being dead.
I wish I was fucking a grandfather.
I wish I was back in the village.
And it's just like, you want that thing, but you never...
I don't know, man.
Sometimes you just think...
I'm thinking about that now with comedy where it's like...
Fuck, dude.
This is cool.
I'm getting the fucking...
My special went well.
I'm getting to sell some tickets.
But I'm on the road constantly.
It's what I dreamed of when I was 19. And I'm like, damn.
joe rogan
It's a lot of work.
stavros halkias
It's a lot of work.
I'm getting fat as shit.
It's hard to stay healthy.
I'm tired all the time.
Which, again, I'm not complaining.
This is my dream.
But there's got to be a balance between fucking selling out everything to get the thing.
Because then shit comes after that.
And there's so many stories of people that...
Get what they want and I mean Tyson is a pretty good example where it's like it wasn't he was still Mike Tyson but it is he was never he never reached those heights and it completely fucked his personal life up obviously obviously and so that's the thing where it's like you got to think like there's got to be a balance the thing about combat sports though that is really fascinating to me is I think it ignites in us that same weird instinct to conquer but it does so in like an agreed upon manner instead of doing so through war It's
joe rogan
a great way to avoid war.
How many of these guys who would be dominant MMA fighters, if they were living five, six hundred years ago, they would be dominant warriors?
Almost all of them.
Society has figured out a way through things like football, which was initially created for that.
Football was literally created as a sport to simulate- Wasn't it?
Didn't we go over that before?
That football was created, was invented to simulate war?
stavros halkias
I mean, couldn't you say that about- Can we find that?
joe rogan
Let's find that with the article, because I don't want to fuck that story up.
Because it's an interesting story about the origins of football.
But there's a thing when you watch a guy win a world title fight.
There's a thing when you watch two of the best in the world fight, where everyone gets to watch.
And these guys, who are the wildest and craziest of our population, Get to do this thing, which is akin to combat.
stavros halkias
Fully.
joe rogan
It's like physical combat with no weapons, but your own body, use that as a weapon, and then see who knows how to do that better, and you do it in front of the world.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I mean, that is the ancient shit of single combat, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Where it's like each culture, or if you wanted to avoid a war, we pick our best guy and we fuck each other up.
And there is a feeling of that, definitely.
Especially when it's like, when it's clashes of cultures, right?
When it is like, Khabib, and it is fucking, you know, Conor, whatever.
It's like, these guys from completely different places, and it almost feels like, like, that's what's cool about the World Cup.
Obviously, it's not combat sports, but there is something sick where you're just like, these countries, this means so much to them.
joe rogan
So much to them.
stavros halkias
And these people, like, they got eliminated, but Japan and Korea, if they had won, they would have played each other in the fucking World Cup, and it's like, Korea would have fucked Japan.
Like, they're so mad.
I mean, that's their oppression.
You know what I mean?
Like, Japan fucked Korea up.
You know what I mean?
It's like, those ancient rivalries, like, England and France fought each other for thousands of years.
You know what I mean?
It's like, there is, it's just so, there is something fucking awesome about, and whenever, whenever, like, a third world country plays America, you don't think they want to fuck America up?
Of course.
Fuck you.
You got all the money in the world.
We don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
We know you put our dictator in power.
unidentified
Exactly, yeah.
stavros halkias
My uncle was the democratically elected guy's fucking minister of the press.
He got assassinated too.
You gotta go, motherfucker.
Yeah, this is for the CIA. This goal is for the CIA. Yeah, I mean, it's like war proxy.
It's cool.
joe rogan
What was that article?
You highlighted something?
jamie vernon
No, it's a tradition of it.
joe rogan
I don't know that it was like an official mmm says a deeper connection was claimed during both world wars football as a Training ground for soldiers and officers the game as a mimic war requiring cool thinking self-sacrifice and physical courage So at least in some ways it's obviously from that it's like a proxy.
Yeah It's like a thing that you can do.
You can do that instead of war, or maybe it can help you practice for war.
stavros halkias
Especially back then when they really, World Wars could pop off at any time.
joe rogan
At any time.
stavros halkias
Maybe you can't, you know.
joe rogan
That's the thing with combat sports, too.
It's all of it.
It's the same thing.
There's a thing that people have inside of them they want to conquer.
And women want to do it, too.
They want to do it socially.
For sure.
And some women, physically, are the ones you want to fuck.
unidentified
Yeah, conquer me.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing that we have in us and it makes you wonder if people hadn't figured out sports and hadn't figured out games.
How much would we be fucking each other up?
It seems like that's what people are designed to do.
And all these other things that we do that all the other animals don't do are probably the thing that's allowed us to become what we are.
It's probably the things that have allowed us to figure out civilization.
stavros halkias
You blow off a little steam.
joe rogan
We figured out ways to get along.
Like, let's play with a ball.
I'm gonna hit this ball instead of your fucking head.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
I'm not gonna sneak in.
joe rogan
Think about it, a weapon, a bat is a fucking club.
It's a total weapon.
It's like, instead of your fucking head, which I want to hit, let's use cocoa.
stavros halkias
I'm gonna pretend it's the coconut.
I'm gonna pretend your fucking nuts are this coconut.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they said back to them.
Now, I think we researched this too, but goddamn that marijuana is ruining my memory.
stavros halkias
Respect, by the way.
This is such a great racket.
unidentified
About.
stavros halkias
Get high and shit and be like, what was that fucking meme I saw?
Was that an article?
joe rogan
In the Mayan, that Mayan football game.
They used to have a football game.
stavros halkias
Which is like football and a little like lacrosse.
It was like kind of a little mix.
joe rogan
Yeah, you had to like knock it through like a hole.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there was also talk that sometimes they used a human head, but I don't know if that was folklore or true.
And then there was another thing that I read that I never could remember if this is accurate, that the winning team would be sacrificed.
stavros halkias
Whoa, that's fucking sick.
Go to the gods, a winner.
unidentified
It'll be a long-ass game where people keep missing the ball.
joe rogan
What is it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
There's an article about it that says, for instance, did the game's winners and losers get sacrificed at the end of the game?
The answer to both questions is no.
joe rogan
No, so it's all bullshit.
stavros halkias
But what if they were?
You know, that'd be cool.
jamie vernon
It wasn't meant to go through the hoop.
joe rogan
Dude, it wasn't?
What is the hoop for?
unidentified
But that game was really violent.
joe rogan
There's like a hoop, right?
jamie vernon
This is sick, dude.
That's not what it was for.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
stavros halkias
So it's like extra points?
Yeah, it's like Harry Potter.
It's all about catching the little gold thing.
unidentified
It would have been horrible if your best players were sacrificed.
jamie vernon
They would have had to find new players all the time.
joe rogan
Well, maybe they just did that because they have too many dudes that wanted to go to war.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
And there wasn't any wars going on.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We've got to kill off some of these fuckheads.
I know what to do.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I also think every ancient tradition is just some insecure guy was in power.
So maybe it was like, there's a stud, just this fucking big dick stud who's been winking at the chief's wife.
And he's like, guess what, dude?
You get to go see God because you're so good at sports, we're going to fucking kill you.
And it's like, so that your wife doesn't get fucked.
joe rogan
Well, how many dudes did they make fight to the death with swords for that?
stavros halkias
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You know?
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
Fucking the mountain guy.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And your wife is hanging around and you're the king just because you say so.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
That guy can just fucking mush your head.
stavros halkias
I know.
joe rogan
You make them fight to the death.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Makes sense.
joe rogan
I guarantee that's probably how they did a lot of those things back then.
stavros halkias
Every tradition.
Why do you think every religion has a little hat that covers the bald spot?
Because some fucking guy, I think Yamaka's 100%.
100%.
The guy was insecure about his bald spot.
He's like, God said we actually have to cover this.
joe rogan
All of us.
unidentified
Everyone.
stavros halkias
Even you with the beautiful hair, Joseph.
joe rogan
People with the best fucking hair ever.
Like Jamie from Yellowstone.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Just thick manes of hair.
stavros halkias
Sorry, bud.
joe rogan
Tough shit.
stavros halkias
Put it in the cap.
unidentified
Wear the hat.
joe rogan
God wants you to wear a fucking hat.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
How about the Pope gets to wear one like a fish's head?
stavros halkias
What's that one?
joe rogan
What the fuck is that one?
stavros halkias
That one's sick.
I don't know what it's called.
joe rogan
Imagine.
You should kind of get suspicious.
When your guy can't dress like regular people.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you're in a cult, if you're in a religion, when the dude shows up dressed like a wizard, you should go, hey, is this on the level?
stavros halkias
Do we get one of those golden staffs?
unidentified
Look at this cat.
joe rogan
He's got a golden staff, a golden helmet.
stavros halkias
So we don't get those, huh?
Just him.
joe rogan
Bro, look at that hat.
This is the new Pope.
The new Pope is more chill.
See, his shit is silver.
Notice how his shit is silver?
stavros halkias
He's humble, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Look, it looks like a peasant made it, like an artist's rendering.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
The other one was like, look at the old guy, Ratzinger.
stavros halkias
Bartholomew?
joe rogan
That fucking Ratzinger guy.
stavros halkias
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
The guy who had to step down.
stavros halkias
Because he was probably fucking his, like, attendant or something.
joe rogan
What does it have, like, gold stars?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he was...
stavros halkias
Didn't he, like, retire?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He was responsible for moving pedophiles.
stavros halkias
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And moving, without reporting them, moving them to new places.
stavros halkias
How does that make him different from any other fucking pope?
joe rogan
Well, because one of them he did where this guy, he moved this guy and he went on to molest 100 deaf kids.
unidentified
Oh.
stavros halkias
A hundred deaf kids?
joe rogan
A hundred deaf kids.
Jesus Christ.
They moved them to some place, like a school that takes care of deaf kids.
They would just move people, man.
The fact that that's a real thing.
stavros halkias
That's insane.
joe rogan
And that we all know about it.
stavros halkias
And then deaf.
You couldn't, like, you moved them to the deaf kids?
joe rogan
They wouldn't be able to say anything about it.
stavros halkias
He's sneaking up on them?
joe rogan
Dude.
stavros halkias
Oh, that's brutal.
joe rogan
How many fucking stories?
unidentified
Two hundred.
joe rogan
200 deaf kids?
stavros halkias
Get his numbers right.
Get his numbers right, dude.
joe rogan
200 kids were...
stavros halkias
The Will Chamberlain of molestation.
joe rogan
Wow.
Several American bishops repeatedly warned them that failure to act in this matter could embarrass the church.
unidentified
Oh, God forbid the church gets embarrassed.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, according to Church Files, only unearthed as part of the lawsuit.
Embarrass us.
stavros halkias
Embarrass us, dude.
joe rogan
Hey, Mikey, you're fucking too many kids.
stavros halkias
Come on, dude.
unidentified
This is embarrassing.
stavros halkias
Come on.
This is like when I slip on my shoelaces.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
This is embarrassing.
stavros halkias
Aw, you sucked off 800 little boys.
Well, I got some egg on my face.
joe rogan
I spilled coffee in my lap on my way to work.
It's embarrassing.
stavros halkias
That's so fucked.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
unidentified
I know.
stavros halkias
I can't believe any, like, I don't mean to sound like hack college, you know, freshman year of college atheist shit here, but it's like, they do that.
How are you going to be in a church?
How do you go to a fucking church every week when it's like the Pope was just shifting guys around and giving him, not only shifting around, putting him to the most molestable kids.
He put them into the deaf kids.
He didn't put it to the school for jacked children where they could defend themselves.
joe rogan
So what do you think that is?
You think it was just always a part of the church?
And people just started talking about it later in life?
stavros halkias
Fully.
100%.
joe rogan
So how does one church get so connected to that?
stavros halkias
Well, I just think they...
joe rogan
Priest guilty of abusing deaf children in Argentine schools.
unidentified
So this is in 2019. The previous one was like 10-12 years ago.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
stavros halkias
I mean, I think if you look at the history of the fucking Catholic Church, they were like, you know, popes were like...
Poisoning each other and fucking all the time and it's like even the thing where priests can't have kids It's like you look at that.
It's like were they just trying to not cover benefits like that's my guess my sincere guess is that the Pope at the time was trying to save money and Because it's like, truly, that's really what I think.
And like, because like the Greek Orthodox Church, not saying, we don't have fucking, no one fucks, I mean, I'm sure a couple guys fuck kids, but it's like, you get to have a wife in the Greek Orthodox Church.
But the church covers your like family's living expenses and shit.
And I really think like the Catholic Church was just like, nah, nah, nah.
joe rogan
I think the origin of it was the priests were like rock stars.
Because if you think about, if priests could fuck whoever they wanted to...
He's blinged out.
stavros halkias
They look like Migos.
They got the necklaces.
joe rogan
They look like rock stars.
They're the ones who get to talk in front of everybody.
And they have a special relationship with God.
stavros halkias
Oh, God told me you have to suck me off, actually.
I saw it in a vision.
joe rogan
And you've got to realize, like, up until, like, when was Martin Luther...
Whenever that was, there's a great Dan Carlin hardcore history on that, on Martin Luther.
So he was the first guy to make the Bible interpret it phonetically so that people could read it.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because everybody was just like...
stavros halkias
It was in Latin and no one read Latin.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So this is in 1507. So think about that.
Up until 1507, you just had to listen to the priest.
You had to trust that what he was saying.
So that guy's a rock star.
He's decked out like a wizard.
He's standing in front of everyone with a golden cane.
I bet he's fucking everybody.
stavros halkias
And he probably gets to bathe.
You know what I mean?
When we think about who's hot in the ancient world, it's like they probably just got to take a bath.
Like, you know, Helen of Troy or whatever, right?
I guarantee you she just was a lady that, like, bathed.
joe rogan
Yeah, she smelled good.
stavros halkias
She just didn't smell like dog shit.
Like, that's really it.
Because it's like, think about what a peasant looked like.
How fucked up their skin was.
Like, every hot girl I know today has a 12-step skincare routine.
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
Imagine, like, not only that, you don't even have water to wash your face.
You're out in the fucking fields.
So imagine these priests.
They get a little water.
They get to bathe every once in a while.
You're right.
joe rogan
No sunscreen.
Your face is fucked by the time you're 27. Forget about it.
jamie vernon
For another 400 years after that, the mass was in Latin, so you had to know Latin to understand what was even happening.
joe rogan
Wow!
For 400 years after that?
Until what year?
jamie vernon
Somewhere in the 70s or 85, depending on where your church was.
joe rogan
Oh my God!
That makes sense.
stavros halkias
But you could still read the Bible at that point.
joe rogan
That totally makes sense.
You could read the Bible, but that guy's still talking this voodoo language dressed like a wizard.
And then if you go to the Vatican, dude, that's the real eye-opener.
I went to the Vatican on an edible.
stavros halkias
Hell yeah, dude.
joe rogan
And when I was walking around the Vatican, it kicked in while I was there.
So I took it, and then I'm walking around, and as I'm walking around, I'm going, this is all a pedophile cult's booty.
Like, all their pirate booty.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
Like, if you really think about how many people have been involved in these pre-scandals, like, what is the number?
stavros halkias
Oh my god.
Throughout, like, history?
God knows.
joe rogan
God knows.
Imagine that with any other thing.
Imagine that with carpenters.
Every time you got your house built, your kids got fucked.
stavros halkias
Look, the fucking deck is pretty good, though, huh?
You gotta keep the carpenters away from your kids.
joe rogan
Don't ever let the carpenters babysit your kids.
Imagine!
That would be fucking insane.
We'd be like, we're gonna abolish carpenters.
Everyone's gonna learn how to build their own house.
But when things are like a part of society for a long enough time and we grow up with them, we just accept them as being like a normal thing.
Not that anyone's normalizing abuse, but everybody...
stavros halkias
They were, though.
I mean, the Catholic Church was doing that.
joe rogan
If you say Catholic priest, people think abuse.
100%.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Instant connection.
Doesn't mean that they're all doing it.
I'm sure most of them are absolutely not doing it.
Most of them are great people.
stavros halkias
A couple of them are putting up some real numbers, some real molestation numbers.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties.
Providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004. See, imagine that with any other business.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Any other industry.
stavros halkias
I know.
joe rogan
Self-help.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, every time you went to a trader, they fucked your kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is insane.
stavros halkias
I know, dude.
joe rogan
It's fucking wild.
And it's a real thing.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's like people are gonna get mad at us for even bringing it up.
stavros halkias
I know.
joe rogan
But it's like, how can you get mad at something that's so insane?
stavros halkias
That's my favorite.
When they asked Bill Burr about that, that clip is the funniest thing where they're like, don't you think you went a little too far with the Catholic Church jokes?
And he was like, don't you think the Catholic Church went a little too far?
It's like, that's it right there.
joe rogan
That's it right there.
It's perfect.
Well, that's a perfect Bill Burr line.
Want some coffee?
stavros halkias
I'm good, brother.
Thank you.
That's why I do fuck with the Orthodox, because they got it set up.
That's a better set up.
You can't get married if you want to go high up in the church.
Well, that's another scam.
joe rogan
So gay guys can keep running everything.
They were probably the ones who figured it out.
stavros halkias
It is like a very, especially back in the day, if you were a gay guy, and I'm not equating, obviously I'm not equating being gay with molesting children, I'm just saying, if you're a gay guy, the other parts of the church are pretty sick.
You're blinged out.
Right?
You're in a society where you can't be gay, you know, openly.
So it's like, fuck it, if I can't get married, if I can't be who I am, I'll just take sex out of the equation fully, right?
So you gotta think, like, yeah, dude, just fucking get some cool gold-encrusted, ruby-encrusted loafers.
Get me the fucking hat and let me run shit.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I've always equated being involved in the Catholic Church when I was a kid to, like, sadness and depression.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Did you go to Catholic school at all?
stavros halkias
I went to Orthodox, so I went to Sunday school.
Greek Orthodox.
Greek Orthodox, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, fuck, by the way.
joe rogan
But that wasn't as guilt-ridden as Catholic school, was it?
stavros halkias
Dude, Greek people don't give a fuck.
That's nice.
My dad would be like, you gotta go to church.
And I'd be like, why?
He's like, because I had to.
That's it.
There's no deep spiritual meaning.
There's no God told me to.
It's just like, I had to do it, motherfucker.
You're going.
And then you go to Sunday school and it's just like, yeah, you know, Jesus was pretty...
It's just like, you know, your friend's older sister.
And we got to miss church to be in Sunday school.
So it's like, yeah, fuck yeah, dude.
I'll go in a little classroom and fuck around with my friends and hear about Jesus instead of, like, sitting in church like an asshole.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
It was great.
joe rogan
Well, see, that's probably the attitude that you get from people that are allowed to get married and have kids.
And so you could be, like, a normal person and also be a priest.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and you're a real part of the community.
Like, you grow up with the priest's kid, and it's like, you know, they experience real shit.
That's another thing.
It's so weird to go to somebody for, like...
Guidance on your marriage, and it's like, he hasn't gotten his dick sucked in 48 years.
joe rogan
There was a kid I knew when I was in high school, and he was a really sweet guy.
Really sweet guy.
But he's pretty obviously gay.
Like, I mean, when I was a kid, I lived in San Francisco.
Because he was a really good kisser?
stavros halkias
You could tell?
joe rogan
He tasted like dick.
unidentified
Every time we kissed him, you're like, this is really good.
stavros halkias
You must be gay.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know if he was gay, but I would not be shocked if he was.
And I was always weirded out.
I'm like, is this guy reading so much religion because he wants to get rid of these feelings?
stavros halkias
Yeah, I think that happens for sure.
I definitely think that happens.
joe rogan
He became a priest.
I don't know what happened to that, but we were all like...
Everybody who knew him was like...
A couple people were like, that's great.
stavros halkias
It'll cure him.
joe rogan
He's going to be Father Bill now.
And my sister and I were like, poor guy.
Especially because, like I said, from age 7 to 11, I lived in San Francisco.
Gay people were just...
It was just normal.
It was so common.
So I grew up that way.
But moving to Florida, in particular, and then, again, moving to Boston, I realized a lot of people get real bummed out if their kid's gay.
And it seemed like this dude was just...
I mean, I could be wrong.
Maybe he was just really into religion.
But for a fucking 17-year-old to be really, really, really into religion and carrying a Bible everywhere and reading it everywhere, maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe that's changing him and giving him power.
stavros halkias
Still.
But even still, I think anyone at that age, it's like, you don't want to lock yourself into something you can't get out of, right?
And it's like, maybe he was very into religion, but maybe, you know, that was just a coping mechanism.
And when he really sat and thought about who he was or whatever, it's like he didn't want to be it.
But then you're a fucking priest and there's all this pressure.
And then since you've been studying, there's all this religious guilt and shit.
You probably stay into it.
And I feel, you know, obviously you feel bad if somebody, you know, we don't, we're just speculating here, but if he did get trapped in that kind of shit, that's tough.
joe rogan
It's tough.
stavros halkias
I mean, it's the same reason fucking kids shouldn't, like, why student debt is such a, like, bullshit situation, because it's like, yeah, you have some 17-year-old kid who's like, I want to be a marine biologist, and then he goes, and he's like, oh, I'm actually, I can't do math, I'm a fucking student.
unidentified
Dumb as shit.
stavros halkias
And now I owe $40,000.
A lot more than that.
joe rogan
Also, it's the only debt you can't get out of.
stavros halkias
It's so fucked up.
joe rogan
It's so fucked up.
To saddle kids with that, like literal children, 17-year-olds, 18-year-olds with that, is so nuts.
unidentified
Because you can get out of everything!
joe rogan
Do you think Sam Bankman-Fried is going to have to pay $8 billion or whatever the fuck is missing?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's not going to have to pay that.
jamie vernon
Did you see this that Sager did, this piece about Ivy League?
I think it was...
joe rogan
No, let's play it, because he's awesome.
jamie vernon
Well, he was repeating Malcolm Gladwell's thing.
It's a perpetual motion thing.
joe rogan
Well, we'll get a sense of it.
saagar enjeti
...of learning in the U.S. have long departed their mission statements.
They are effectively recession-proof industries set up to bilk the federal government and students while funding a pernicious ideology that is spreading across our higher elite like cancer.
At the root of it is a rigged financial system.
These industries beclown themselves because they can.
They can because students pay.
But more so, they don't even really need the students to pay anymore.
It has become increasingly clear in the size of university endowments, which Malcolm Gladwell recently revealed as a scam of epic proportions, focusing his laser on Princeton University.
Princeton is the world's first perpetual motion machine, Gladwell writes.
At the heart of his argument is this.
Quote, after a stellar year in 2021, Princeton University has an endowment of $37.7 billion.
Over the past 20 years, the average annual return for the endowment has been 11.2%, which puts Princeton's return next year at roughly $3.77 billion.
He continues, now what is Princeton's annual operating budget?
That would be $1.86 billion.
The arithmetic is not hard.
3.7 billion in investment minus 1.86 in operating still leaves you with 1.91 billion, leading him to conclude what?
Quote, Princeton could let every student in for free.
The university administrators could tell the U.S. government and all of its agencies, it's cool.
We got this.
They could take out the cash registers in their cafeteria.
They could hand out free parking to all visitors.
They could give away Princeton sweatshirts on Nassau Street.
They could fire their entire accounts receivable staff and their entire funding staff tomorrow.
In fact, his team even put together this handy little chart.
Princeton has been not just doing this recently, but for nearly two decades.
On a year-by-year basis, their endowment return, just the return, nearly exactly equals or surpasses the entire operating budget of the whole school, meaning no student would ever need to be charged tuition again.
Or you could imagine a world where students pay much, much less.
Also, as you can guess, this is not just the case with Princeton University.
It's the case with almost every Ivy League institution in this entire country, whose endowments in some cases surpass, and I'm not kidding, the GDP of small African nations.
With this mountain of wealth, why are they not doing what they were supposed to do?
They were supposed to spend it on students.
Instead, they simply reinvest the returns, build an ever-growing pile of cash, giving fees to money managers, all while continuing to raise tuition precipitously, even when you're all giving them this freaking Zoom school.
Tuition at Princeton right now is $80,000 a year.
Let it sink in.
That is 10 grand more than the average U.S. household income annually.
Which brings us to the tax code.
Now look.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's good enough.
But Jesus Christ, what a scam.
stavros halkias
Ivy Leagues in general, it's like they're like, and that's, I mean, I think education should be free.
I think you should be able to go to college for free.
I think we should forgive student debt, all that kind of shit.
But it is, Ivy Leagues in general, it's like so fucked because they have the money.
joe rogan
Well, I think it would be wise if we gave it available to citizens.
What would be the harm in that?
They wouldn't work hard to get it because it doesn't cost anything?
Maybe.
Some people.
stavros halkias
No, that's ridiculous.
joe rogan
But people need to figure out how it's not about that.
Just because it's coming to you for free, this is a unique opportunity.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
You could actually learn something.
You can get ahead in this life.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and I think that's true.
I think, yeah, college should be free.
I think, like, well, you shouldn't have to go to college.
You should be able to go to, like, you know, trade schools, all that kind of shit.
joe rogan
Well, I think you can learn online, too.
I mean, there's a lot of universities.
They don't offer degrees, but they offer, like, a lot of their courses online.
stavros halkias
But that's also another problem with, like, Ivy Leagues and shit.
It's like...
Rich people just kind of like, all their kids go, they can all afford to...
I know so many dumbasses from Ivy Leagues, but it's like this fake prestige that it's just like, no, my family just had enough money to go.
And I've had friends, I grew up in Baltimore, and I've had friends who went to like Harvard and shit, and they were like...
It fucking sucked.
Like, if you're a poor kid going to Harvard, it's like you feel out of place.
You know, everyone, it's all, you know, people, and it's just like a brutal experience.
And now, you know, he does fine.
He was smart as shit.
He's a doctor.
He was a teacher for a while.
He's just like a good person.
But, yeah, I mean, I just think Ivy Leagues in general are fucking, the endowments are crazy, and it is like a...
I think we are just fucking a generation of kids, especially when you make them feel like they have to go to school.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, you expose them primarily to one ideology.
And that ideology is the most aggressive, which is like woke politics.
I don't know.
So, talk to kids that are in college.
They get it crammed down their throat.
stavros halkias
I mean, when I was in college...
joe rogan
How long ago was that?
stavros halkias
You got me 15 years ago.
joe rogan
Different world, brother.
Different world from five years ago.
Different world.
We used to see some of it and people would be like, why are you complaining about this?
You're not in college.
I'd be like, because that's going to spill out.
That kind of crazy thinking, you just abandon that when you get your degree.
Oh, I was talking crazy.
I got off the Colts.
No, you're going to keep that and transfer it to whatever tech job you get.
stavros halkias
The problem with tech places for me is how every tech idea is just like, hey, why don't we just not pay anyone?
Every single Uber is like, hey, you know how taxi cabs exist?
What if the driver can't go to the doctor?
It's like every tech idea is just a thing that exists, but it's not a living wage anymore.
And some cocksucker who can code gets rich, and the taxi driver and the guy who goes and gets the grocery, they don't get any fucking money.
That's my issue with tech.
joe rogan
Well, that's one kind of tech, yeah.
I'm reading this book now that's a fucking terrifying book.
I'm not reading it.
I'm listening to it, I should say.
You should be honest on audio.
It's called The Kill Chain.
Whoops.
And it's all about technology and how far behind America is in terms of military technology and our implementation of the current technology that we have available, like the highest levels like NVIDIA chips and what that's actually been used in the actual military equipment and machines.
It's so beyond behind the times.
The shit that's available that's at the top of the food chain.
stavros halkias
That's what's so fucking annoying is like, where the fuck are...
That's what I can't stand about the way America's set up.
The army gets the money, so how the fuck are we behind?
joe rogan
This is talking about how those funds, those defense funds, is a lot of what funded Silicon Valley.
That it all started there working on military intelligence and projects.
And they dumped tons and tons of money into this stuff.
And then if you look at what's available now in terms of the top fighter jets and the top You know, all the different equipment that they use that uses computers and they're comparing like computing power with what's available.
Yeah, and China has been copying everything we do.
And then the thing with like Huawei, the reason why they banned Huawei in this country, I believe they had discovered that there's a third party access through routers.
And they'd always suspected something like that.
Which means that they could just steal your intellectual property.
So you're over here and you got a billion dollar grant from the government to make some artificial intelligence chip.
And China's just scooping out your data.
stavros halkias
I'm ready, dude.
joe rogan
And banging it out before you can.
stavros halkias
Get me a jacked Chinese woman.
I'll live under her.
Whatever you want.
I'm fucking in there.
I'm cooking all day for her.
I'm ready to be a house husband.
And talk about the magnificence of China.
I can't wait.
I'll be a spy.
Listen, if you guys need a spy, if there's any hot Chinese Beijing bitches with big-ass titties and big-ass lats, I'm in.
joe rogan
Are you willing to get makeup so you look Chinese?
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
I'll do whatever they want.
Prosthetics?
I'll wear a little kimono.
I'll be like Stevie from Eastbound and Down.
Do you remember that scene?
Do you ever watch Eastbound and Down?
joe rogan
I don't know.
stavros halkias
Dude, it's so good.
joe rogan
I know it's so good.
stavros halkias
Dude, it's truly the funniest show of all time.
Danny McBride is hilarious.
Roughhouse is fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
Danny McBride is a motherfucker, dude.
He's funny in everything he does.
stavros halkias
He's the fucking man.
joe rogan
He's the man.
stavros halkias
But yeah, there's a scene where truly this, I don't know, that show is the last, they slid under just in time, but they dress him up in a little kimono and it's like insanely racist, but it's fucking hysterical.
But yeah, I'll wear, I'll do whatever they want for me.
joe rogan
Will you get your feet bound?
stavros halkias
I have fucking big feet, honestly.
I have big, wide Fred Flintstone feet.
unidentified
You might have to bind them.
stavros halkias
I don't know.
How big is their technology?
Yeah, there we go.
unidentified
That's you, brother.
joe rogan
You're in.
stavros halkias
That's me.
joe rogan
Just a Chinese powerlifter lady.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I show up dressed like that.
They're like, what the fuck are you doing?
And I'm like, I'm so sorry.
I'll take it off.
She speaks perfect English.
joe rogan
Why aren't your feet bound?
stavros halkias
I'm sorry.
I'll do whatever the Chinese empire asks of me.
joe rogan
Bro, this book is terrifying, because it just talks about how disjointed the American military is, and how these systems aren't communicating with each other well, and it's like, oof.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And about how, even today, when the pilots are sharing coordinates with different machines and different equipment, they have to, a lot of it, do it over communication.
unidentified
So you can just steal it easy?
joe rogan
They can't share it straight through.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
I don't want to fuck it up, because I'm obviously not technically aware of how they do everything, but the way this guy's explaining it is terrifying.
stavros halkias
Well, there is...
If you think about anything, there's so much to be scared of.
It just feels like...
joe rogan
It's paralyzing.
stavros halkias
I'm definitely in the, like...
I'm in a little, like...
Not optimistic.
I think shit's going bad, but I'm going to have a good time while it's happening.
That's kind of my view.
This is probably the last generation with air conditioning, so I'm going to crank it.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
You think that's it?
stavros halkias
I'm ready to go.
joe rogan
We're going back to caveman days.
stavros halkias
And I would die quick.
joe rogan
Do you think they'll do it to us, we'll do it to each other, or something will hit us?
stavros halkias
Ooh, hit us would be nice.
Galvanize us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Something like a big-ass asteroid.
Slams into Greenland and turns everything into fucking nuclear winter for a couple years.
stavros halkias
That would be almost nicer, where it's like we're just going through our day, we're just fucking having a, you know, getting jacked in the gym.
joe rogan
Where are you getting food?
stavros halkias
Huh?
I'm dead.
No, I'm dead.
You misunderstand me.
I mean, let's die.
Let's go.
Let's go down like the fucking dinosaurs.
You've probably got a bunker.
You're good.
joe rogan
I'm gone.
If the asteroid comes, I want it to hit me in the face.
stavros halkias
That's what I'm saying, dude.
I'm climbing a mountain to make sure.
joe rogan
If you survive that, I mean, I'm sure you'd want to survive if you were alive.
That's the human instinct.
But if you go back to like, you know, that movie, The Road.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If shit gets to like that point.
stavros halkias
No.
joe rogan
Why?
stavros halkias
Killing myself.
joe rogan
I don't want to live like that.
I like living like this.
I'm spoiled.
I'm spoiled.
I live in a world where people are nice to each other.
They wave when you let them into traffic.
I like that.
stavros halkias
If I don't get the wave, I'm pissed.
joe rogan
Bro, I don't want to live like the Northmen.
Did you see that movie?
The Viking movie?
stavros halkias
It was sick.
joe rogan
Hardcore.
stavros halkias
That was fucking awesome.
joe rogan
That was a great fucking movie.
I can't believe that movie didn't get as much love as it deserves.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that guy's great.
joe rogan
Because you know what they didn't do?
They didn't modernize it at all.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was zero, there was no modern heroes, no modern...
stavros halkias
Fully.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was...
stavros halkias
Well, he does a great job.
He also, that director did The Witch.
And he did The Lighthouse.
And he loves making sure everything is like, period.
I love The Witch too.
That was a fucking sick movie.
joe rogan
The Witch was sick.
And The Lighthouse is pretty bizarre too.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
No, he's a fucking sick director.
His name is escaping me.
But yeah, I love that shit.
Robert Eggers.
joe rogan
Robert Eggers.
stavros halkias
He fucking rules.
joe rogan
Yeah, he rules.
He did a fucking fantastic job with the Northmen.
It was a perfect amount of fantasy and reality and the brutal reality of the way they fought.
There was nothing unrealistic about it.
stavros halkias
In the beginning when they're just fucking fucking up like women and children.
You're like, yeah, this is what the Vikings were like.
joe rogan
That's what they did.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's what a lot of fucking people did throughout human history.
The Mongols did it.
stavros halkias
It's crazy because I've been on a big history kick and I'm reading about like, I was just, you know, I'm on the Trojan War tip a little bit on some Greek.
I'm reconnecting with my roots.
A little bit, but I also just...
joe rogan
You got some badass roots, brother.
stavros halkias
Yeah, ancient Greece.
joe rogan
The Greeks?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
You come from one of the most important histories in all of the human race.
stavros halkias
No, it's the best.
joe rogan
It is some wild shit in your country.
stavros halkias
Truly.
No, it's fucking awesome.
But you think about...
I'm also fascinated by medieval times, and you just think about, like...
All the history that we learn is about like, oh, this king fucked this king up.
And they always just kind of gloss over like, and you know, the army raided the countryside.
And it's like, imagine being the fucking assholes on the countryside outside of the city.
You're outside Athens, you're outside of Troy, whatever.
You just get fucked, like, every ten years when some asshole, some rich asshole, some guy with water, running water, he gets to fuck, decides he wants to fuck up your town, he just comes through, steals your shit, takes your fucking wife, kills your son, and you just have to, like, now you fucking get turnips for him.
Or he kills you too.
It's just like, I think about how fucked up it would have been to just be a peasant that's caught in between this shit.
And it's like, you're just a piece of property that gets like, who you have to pay taxes to changes every 20 years.
And every 20 years they come in and just fuck, you know, just fuck, rape everyone, take all your gold.
joe rogan
Well that was what people liked about Game of Thrones too.
Like Game of Thrones, they were behaving like we would expect them to behave if they lived in this dimension.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Oh, fully.
It was brutal and all that kind of shit.
joe rogan
Horrible.
There was no, like, heroes.
There was no unrealistic, modern Marvel movie heroes.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everyone was flawed and full of chaos.
It was just all horrible.
stavros halkias
That's what I love about Greek mythology.
It's just like, you look at their gods, and you know what a fucked up society was.
Zeus is the fucking—he's God, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
And God—he's just—this just tells you what Greek people are like, because God is a guy who cheats on his wife constantly.
Like, that's his whole big thing.
Zeus and Hera are like a fucking sitcom where it's like, oh, honey, like, that kind of...
He's just like, oh, don't get mad at me.
And he just sneaks out and, like, takes the form of a swan and fucks a woman.
And then, like, comes back.
And she's like, were you getting pussed?
And he's like, no.
You know, it's just like, that was our god.
Like, the main god, he couldn't stop getting side pussy.
That's what our ancient society was built on.
He would become a bull and just see a cow that looked hot.
He wouldn't even just fuck people, he would fuck hot animals.
And that's like the cornerstone of Greek mythology.
All the heroes, half the heroes are people that Zeus just fucked.
joe rogan
Where do you think those stories came from?
Where do you think the stories of, you know, obviously they were told for so long before anybody wrote them down.
stavros halkias
For sure.
joe rogan
Where do you think they came from?
stavros halkias
I think, I mean, just like everything else, it's like you, it's people trying to make sense of a crazy and chaotic world.
You know what I mean?
And it's just like, people are just like, that's, I think they just lived in a society where that's, that's what their rulers were like.
So that's what Zeus was going to be like.
joe rogan
That's what makes people join cults.
That's what makes people woke.
That's what makes people everything.
You want to make sense.
You want to put order to things.
stavros halkias
And I will say, I like Greek mythology because it's really like, it's just interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, so fascinating.
stavros halkias
And how many different fucking gods and shit did they have?
joe rogan
How many gods were there?
stavros halkias
The main ones, there was 12 main gods of Mount Olympus, but it was like, there's demigods and like half, you know, and like, It's lesser gods and there's like hundreds and it's like it's this thing of like that's what I really like is that Greek mythology it's like you know monotheism it's pretty straightforward it's kind of boring you know what I mean it's like there's one God sometimes you know there's three of you know what I mean the Holy Spirit the Jesus all that kind of shit but it's like polytheism is fucking sick because it's like there's just a God of fucking getting fucked
up It's just a god that's like Dionysus.
He was the god of having a good-ass time.
That guy fucking rules, dude.
That was my guy.
Wow.
Yeah, there's like a hunter god.
Athena is this interesting, like, she's the goddess of wisdom.
joe rogan
Who's the hunter god?
stavros halkias
Fuck, what the fuck?
I'm blanking on her.
It's a woman, though.
But there's like, you know, Aries, obviously, Aries, the god of war.
joe rogan
They had a lot of badass female gods.
stavros halkias
Yeah, Athena, Artemis, that's right.
joe rogan
Artemis, in Greek religion, is the goddess of wild animals, the hunt and vegetation, and of chastity and childbirth.
She was identified by the Romans with Diana.
Artemis was the daughter of Zeus and Leto.
And the twin sister of Apollo.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that's the other thing.
Zeus fucked like every goddess and just made other goddesses.
And like, Athena, just came out of his head.
So that's the interesting thing.
It's like she was all his, the wisdom of God was just like, came out of his head and now it's just all into one lady.
It's so fascinating.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard of Brian Murrow Rescue in the book called The Immortality Key?
stavros halkias
No.
joe rogan
It's an amazing book.
And this guy dedicated like more than a decade of his life to studying ancient Greece and the use of psychedelics in wine.
stavros halkias
Oh hell yeah.
joe rogan
And they've opened up a field of study at Harvard because of this.
Because of this guy's work.
He's a legitimate scholar and dedicated his time to this.
And he's like a straight-edge guy.
He doesn't do drugs.
stavros halkias
He's got some guys like, dude, what if they were getting fucked up, man?
joe rogan
That's me.
stavros halkias
That's the fucking source of it all, bro!
joe rogan
Now this guy's like a legit guy.
stavros halkias
Professor Rogan.
joe rogan
I mean, fucking what I heard.
Eddie Bravo told me.
But these guys found these ancient wine vessels that contained psychedelic compounds.
So they found residue of ergot and a bunch of other stuff.
So when they drank wine, they didn't just drink wine.
They were tripping balls.
They drank wine with LSD in it, basically.
stavros halkias
I think that's probably...
So the guy I was talking about, Dionysus, the god of just...
Getting fucked up.
They would have these huge festivals and they would have huge parties and literally orgies off wine and I'm sure they were drinking.
joe rogan
100%.
stavros halkias
Because they're coming up with all these satyrs and they're coming up with wood nymphs and mermaids and all this kind of shit.
And it's like, was it a mermaid or was some guy drinking mushroom wine and he fucked a seal?
He's like, no, no, she was hot.
unidentified
She was so fucking hot.
stavros halkias
It was a goddess, bro.
He just dug a hole in some sand and beat off into it.
He was like, yeah.
joe rogan
She wasn't much of a kisser.
unidentified
Fucking along the way.
stavros halkias
Yeah, the head wasn't that great.
But the pussy.
They're like, shake dude, that's awesome.
joe rogan
What animal has a human being not tried to fuck?
stavros halkias
There is not.
joe rogan
I bet dudes have fucked crocodiles.
stavros halkias
Crocodile where?
joe rogan
100% is a guy who fucked a crocodile just to show you he could do it.
stavros halkias
Maybe that's true.
joe rogan
One guy just lassoed a crocodile.
stavros halkias
It doesn't seem very appealing.
joe rogan
Held it down, got hard, tied it off with a rope.
stavros halkias
His dick like he's doing heroin?
Just to keep it hard?
unidentified
Just to keep it hard.
joe rogan
Made a homemade cock ring out of fucking animal skins, cinched it down, and fucked that crocodile.
stavros halkias
And became the chief of his village.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to show people you're the boss.
Some tribes, they have to kill a lion to show that they've become a man.
It's like part of a coming-of-age ritual.
They've got to kill a lion with a fucking spear.
Dude!
Those guys would fuck a crocodile.
Just to show you an ostrich.
You gotta catch an ostrich, and then you gotta fuck it.
stavros halkias
Fuck an ostrich pussy?
joe rogan
It's not even a pussy, they got a cloacal.
stavros halkias
That's what I was gonna say.
I feel like it's all too spiny.
joe rogan
It's shit and eggs.
It's everything in there.
stavros halkias
I'm good, dude.
joe rogan
You gotta do it.
You gotta show everybody who the boss is.
stavros halkias
One time in college, we had a friend who we tried to convince him to fuck a horse.
He was the horniest guy I've ever seen in my life.
He was insane, dude.
I won't put him on blast.
I won't give any more details, but if you went to UMBC and you went with me, you know who we're talking about here.
He had an old lady who was his neighbor, and she just came over to borrow a cup of sugar.
He was like 17, and he was talking about how he would beat off thinking about fucking this old lady.
He was a fucking lunatic.
And we were like, yo dude, would you fuck an animal?
And he was like, nah, nah, nah.
And then he was like, what kind of animal?
And then we were just...
We were clearly just fucking around.
And then we were like, what about...
And then one of our friends lived on a farm.
And he was like, we have a horse in my farm.
And the guy was like, I'm not fucking a horse.
And then a minute later, he's like, what does a horse pussy look like?
So then we're just...
We're in the fucking dorms Googling horse pussy on Google Image.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
stavros halkias
And honestly, we found a pretty nice pic.
And he was like, hmm.
Okay.
And then he was like, I don't think so.
We're like, what if we give you a hundred bucks?
He's like, nah, nah.
We're like, what about $400?
And he was like...
All right, I'll do it.
And then the guy whose horse it was was like, wait, you want to fuck the horse?
He was like, no.
It wasn't even the guy who was going to fuck the horse that backed out.
It was the guy who owned the horse.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want that to happen to your horse.
stavros halkias
The horse will never trust you again.
Well, she was on her way out, apparently.
It was an old horse.
joe rogan
Did you ever see Zoo?
The documentary Zoo?
stavros halkias
No.
joe rogan
Zoo is about this community of people that met online.
And they found that there's a few states where it's legal to fuck animals.
And one of them was Washington State.
And they all got together, and they met at this place where there's hundreds of hours of footage of them getting fucked by horses.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Yes.
And one guy died.
stavros halkias
Oh, is that Mr. Hands?
joe rogan
Mr. Hands.
Of course, the legend.
Yeah, so that guy died.
You've seen the video, right?
stavros halkias
R.I.P. Mr. Hands, of course.
joe rogan
It's one of the greatest videos in the history of the internet.
Me and Brian Redman were going back and forth, and he was sending me horrible things, and then he sends me this one that says, I win, and it's Mr. Hands.
I was like, this is the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
stavros halkias
Dude, actually, I think that's how the horse...
Conversation started, because I saw that video in college with this group of guys.
It was probably like, well, I wouldn't get fucked by a horse, obviously, but would you fuck a horse's pussy?
And I think that's maybe how we got there.
Oh, God.
joe rogan
It's a crazy documentary, because it's sort of a docudrama, right?
They kind of recreate stuff.
stavros halkias
I see.
Just for entertainment.
joe rogan
It's enough when they do interviews and stuff, and it's enough for you to get a sense of what was going haywire with these humans that they decided that this was their thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
People can find a thing.
I'm into collecting stamps.
They find a thing.
stavros halkias
It happens to be a fucking sloth pussy.
joe rogan
Some people just want to get fucked by horses.
That's a thing.
stavros halkias
Somebody just wants to suck a koala's dick.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's crazy.
But there's people like that out there, for whatever reason.
They want to fuck animals.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
I mean, that is the closest thing we have to like a Greek slur is like, you know, goat fucker or sheep fucker or something like that.
joe rogan
Well, there had to be a lot of that going on with those herders.
You're out there with no women for fucking months taking care of these sheep.
stavros halkias
Come on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
You're going to give it a whirl.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
stavros halkias
You're going to give it a whirl.
joe rogan
They're fluffy.
stavros halkias
They're cute.
joe rogan
Seems the right height, too.
Everything's lining up.
Like, God meant this for me.
stavros halkias
Yeah, Zeus did it.
Zeus could fuck sheep.
Why not me?
joe rogan
Why not me, bro?
It's in the Bible.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
stavros halkias
Look at those fatties.
joe rogan
Yeah, listen.
That doesn't look that bad.
unidentified
I guarantee.
joe rogan
I guarantee.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
Guys that fuck sheep.
Right?
That's 100%.
stavros halkias
Oh, dude.
They're fucking sheep right now.
joe rogan
Right now.
So what about a monkey?
That's a harder...
stavros halkias
Too unpredictable.
joe rogan
Remember Chappelle's bit?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
He had a great bit about that.
joe rogan
You know how hard it is to fuck a monkey?
stavros halkias
yeah yeah he gets it he just pictured that thing go on you biting your dick nice oh my god classic a monkey would That's the thing, too unpredictable.
joe rogan
Yeah, too unpredictable.
What about a coyote?
Anybody ever fuck a coyote?
Maybe one guy, one hard-ass fucking Texas Ranger back in the day on a bat.
stavros halkias
It would need to be two generations of domestication.
joe rogan
No, you lasso them.
stavros halkias
You lasso them again?
You and the lasso.
The crocodile and the fucking coyote.
joe rogan
They made a lasso for a reason.
stavros halkias
The fucking coyotes.
joe rogan
A lot of fucking animals.
You gotta hold on to them.
stavros halkias
I guess you're right.
Yeah, I never thought of it.
joe rogan
Why they invented the lasso?
stavros halkias
Probably.
joe rogan
Ride on one animal and catch the other one with it.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
Right?
And then whether or not you're doing it to fuck it, I think that's more like a bet.
stavros halkias
That's up to you.
joe rogan
That's like a bet or to prove a point.
I don't think that's like why they invented the lasso.
stavros halkias
Sure.
joe rogan
But I do think it was probably used.
stavros halkias
It was used, for sure.
joe rogan
In the fucking of all animals in all history, what percentage of them involve lassos?
stavros halkias
More than 10. I would say more than...
I don't know, because...
Because you got to think, when the lasso was invented, you could buy some pussy at the saloon.
joe rogan
Well, let's find out when the lasso was invented.
stavros halkias
Oh, this is good.
We got to get to the bottom of this.
joe rogan
Let's take a guess.
stavros halkias
And then we just saw those delicious sheep pussies.
joe rogan
Yes.
stavros halkias
No lasso needed for those.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll probably stay...
They'll probably push back.
You just get them up against a cliff.
Isn't that the idea?
They would just back them to a cliff.
unidentified
Hey, hey.
joe rogan
While you're there.
stavros halkias
You teach your sheep to throw it back?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Give them treats.
You want a carrot or not?
stavros halkias
Without question, dude.
You're gonna work for this fucking sugar cube.
unidentified
For sure!
For sure!
Sugar cube!
Oh, it's perfect!
joe rogan
What's up?
jamie vernon
You got a guess?
joe rogan
Lasso.
I'm gonna say 1500s.
stavros halkias
Lasso.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
What do you think?
That's probably way earlier than that, because they rode horses before that.
unidentified
Well, that's a problem.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What are we thinking here?
joe rogan
1100s.
I'm going to say 1100s.
stavros halkias
Okay, yeah.
unidentified
What do you say?
stavros halkias
That makes sense.
The steppe, the Turkic people.
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
It was probably before that.
I'll say 1200s.
jamie vernon
Two answers to this.
1280 BC, there's images of a pharaoh holding a lasso, holding onto a bull.
But the Huns used...
stavros halkias
The Huns, baby.
jamie vernon
...lassos to ensnare opponents in hand-to-hand battle.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
In around 370 AD. Wow.
joe rogan
They used it for people first.
jamie vernon
Jesus.
They probably raped them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They probably did everything.
But those people must have been on horses.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if they were on horses, how'd they get the horse?
jamie vernon
The person using it was on a horse probably and stopped them from running away.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
But I'm saying, how'd they get the horse in the first place?
I think that's probably lassos.
Horses were wild.
stavros halkias
Thinking about it now, a lasso's probably been invented for ancient times.
joe rogan
They probably had five or six of them and people held on until they could slow the horse down because they didn't have a horse to ride the lasso.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right, right.
So, going back to our original question, though.
joe rogan
Is it really an original question?
I think it was like, how many animals have people fucked?
That was the original question.
stavros halkias
The lasso.
I think a lasso hasn't been used.
I think most of it, I think most animal fucking is a matter of convenience.
joe rogan
I think most animal fucking is also after murder.
Like, we already killed it.
Now it's definitely not going to push back.
stavros halkias
You can't eat the asshole.
joe rogan
It's definitely not going to kick me.
stavros halkias
You think someone cleaned it all out, took the steaks off, and just left the ass?
And used it like a little proto-pocket pussy?
joe rogan
If you're trying to fuck a deer and it kicked you, you could get ruined for the rest of your life.
stavros halkias
Great point.
joe rogan
You gotta be careful back then.
There's no doctors.
stavros halkias
There's no doctors.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you were trying to fuck an animal, you were taking a big risk.
stavros halkias
Which respect?
Thinking of it now, respect to the guys in antiquity that were fucking animals.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
That's a fucking...
joe rogan
Because you got hurt.
Even if you just got scratched.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You can get some horrible staph infection.
stavros halkias
Bacteria?
joe rogan
Forget about it.
So many fucking people die.
Dustin Poirier is in the hospital right now from a staph infection.
stavros halkias
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Him and Connor are going back and forth about it on Instagram.
stavros halkias
That's fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
Conor got mad because I said that his piss looked like it could melt the USADA cup, and he said it looks like my piss could melt the USADA cup too.
And he's correct.
stavros halkias
Yeah, you're not fighting.
joe rogan
Conor, I'm not hating.
You look great.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And by the way, he does have a legitimate reason for doing whatever the fuck he's doing, even if he's doing nothing.
He broke his leg.
It's a different thing.
I had talked to this guy, Derek, from More Plates, More Dates.
We were discussing what's involved in trying to heal a broken bone like that.
And he's like, it is really hard.
And it's very hard for people to come back because that bone always has the potential to be weaker.
You've got screws in it now on a plate.
He said the only way it makes it better, apparently, is if they put a rod through the entire bone, then it'll actually be stronger.
But that could compromise your movement.
stavros halkias
Totally.
joe rogan
And also, it takes fucking forever to heal.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I get it, Connor.
stavros halkias
I get it.
Yeah, I mean, the thing is...
joe rogan
That's Dustin's foot.
stavros halkias
Oh, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Staph infection.
stavros halkias
Goddamn, dude.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
And apparently, he said it's actually looking worse.
Even though they have him on all these antibiotics, he's not responding to it.
stavros halkias
I'd rather look at the horse's pussy again.
joe rogan
Staff infections scare the shit out of me.
Take care of your skin, kids.
Get yourself some defense soap.
If you're a grappler, in particular, if you do MMA or anything like that, please get yourself some defense soap.
It's a natural antibiotic soap.
It's probiotic.
It's good for the healthy bacteria in your skin, but it kills things like staph and stuff that's going to get you sick.
They have a whole bunch of products, but they have soaps, and it's great soap.
It's got like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil.
It's all natural.
It doesn't fuck up your natural skin flora.
But when I learned about that stuff, I'd gotten staph twice.
stavros halkias
Really?
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
It's staph scary, man.
stavros halkias
I guess because of all the grappling and shit.
joe rogan
Thank God to my friend Tate.
He's the one who pointed it out.
I was wearing shorts and he saw my calf and we were at the airport and he goes, what's going on in your calf?
I go, it looked like little zits all over the place.
I go, nothing.
What is it?
And he goes, dude, I think that's staph.
stavros halkias
He caught it early?
joe rogan
Right away.
stavros halkias
Good, damn.
joe rogan
Ari got staph.
stavros halkias
Fuck.
joe rogan
Just having sex?
unidentified
Yes.
stavros halkias
He got it on his penis?
joe rogan
He got it in a parking lot.
No, he had it on his knee.
Ari was doing jujitsu for a while.
stavros halkias
Wow.
Hilarious.
joe rogan
He got it on his knee and we were playing pool and he was limping around.
I go, why are you limping?
stavros halkias
Playing pool.
joe rogan
He goes, oh, I got a fucking spider bite.
I go, what?
I go, let me see it.
He pulls his pants up.
I go, dude.
Jesus Christ.
I unscrewed my cue.
I go, we got to go to the hospital right now.
stavros halkias
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
He goes, are you serious?
I go, right now we gotta go to the hospital.
I go, that's a staph infection.
And it's bad.
stavros halkias
Goddamn.
joe rogan
It's bad.
And so he immediately had to get on antibiotics.
stavros halkias
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
If he didn't know and he let it go, it would've got way worse.
And then you can get sepsis, which is like your blood can get poisoned.
Dangerous shit, man.
stavros halkias
Goddamn.
joe rogan
So imagine those fucking people fucking animals.
stavros halkias
Exactly.
unidentified
Dude, one little ancient fucking sheep hoof bacteria.
joe rogan
Right, and if they bit you, oh, you're done.
You're done.
Whatever fuck they got in their mouth is in your bloodstream now.
stavros halkias
Salute to my ancient Greek ancestors, and maybe modern Greek.
joe rogan
Anything you get bit by.
I get the worst thing to get bit by is the Komodo dragon, right?
stavros halkias
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Because they have like that nasty fucking alien saliva that's got toxins in it.
stavros halkias
Paralyzes you and poisons you.
joe rogan
Botulism.
They have funk in their mouth and they have a venom.
It's like they're just toxic.
stavros halkias
And then they'll just eat you slowly.
joe rogan
They'll swallow you whole.
You ever seen them swallow a deer whole?
stavros halkias
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Dude, you get Komodo dragon- Oh, better yet.
Komodo dragon swallows baboon whole.
stavros halkias
Oh, hell yeah.
joe rogan
This one's fucked up.
stavros halkias
This is awesome.
joe rogan
I love- This thing is chucking back- This thing has got its legs all fucked up and it's chucking them back whole.
stavros halkias
Let's watch it.
joe rogan
I love- It's so- They're so scary, man.
stavros halkias
This is great.
You go on YMH and I watch gay porn.
And now I go here and I watch a baboon get swallowed whole.
joe rogan
Bro, swallowed whole.
The thing is, like, there's a bunch of them when they're swallowing deer, too.
And the deer or the antelope, whatever the fuck it is, it's like three-quarters of the size of their body.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
It's fucking insane.
It's fucking wild, dude.
joe rogan
This fucking monster.
It's a legitimate modern-day monster.
Look at this motherfucker.
Oh, no!
He's still fucking moving!
Oh, Jesus Christ.
So he's got this monkey by the neck.
We don't need the music.
He's got this poor monkey by the neck.
stavros halkias
This fucker is moving his jaw.
You're fucked, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's just slowly crushing this monkey's neck and head.
stavros halkias
Oh, somebody's left his golf shoes?
joe rogan
Look at the size of this thing, man.
stavros halkias
Dude, that sucks.
joe rogan
Look at the size of this thing.
stavros halkias
And the other one's trying to steal it.
joe rogan
Give me a piece, bro.
And they're just tailing it, tearing it apart.
unidentified
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Okay, this is not the same one.
unidentified
Oh, the tail is moving!
He's still alive!
joe rogan
He's still alive, man.
He's just literally getting pulled apart.
He's still alive.
stavros halkias
Jesus Christ, that sucks.
I hate that.
joe rogan
They are so scary, dude.
Okay, that looks like a baboon.
stavros halkias
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
That's a baboon.
stavros halkias
That poor baboon and his little red nuts.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
They're so scary, these fucking things.
stavros halkias
They really are.
joe rogan
You know what fucks me up, though, about these videos?
Like, how convenient that you manage to be two feet away while this baboon got ahold of...
Did you push that fucking baboon towards that thing?
They definitely did, right?
They definitely did.
stavros halkias
Or they just have a camera set up.
joe rogan
Look at the saliva, man.
stavros halkias
Oh my god, dude.
joe rogan
The saliva that comes out of their mouth.
stavros halkias
Look at all that funk.
joe rogan
Oh, they're so gross, man.
stavros halkias
That is fucking disgusting.
Yeah, oh my god, his fucking shoulder's all fucked.
joe rogan
Yeah, see this guy filming it up close?
Oh, fuck, dude.
Look at the slime.
stavros halkias
Truly disgusting.
joe rogan
The slime leaking out of his mouth.
Yeah.
Bro, look at that thing!
He's getting in his kayak!
Oh, dude, you're so fucked.
You are so fucked.
That thing's climbing in the kayak with you?
stavros halkias
They're only in that little island, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Okay.
joe rogan
I think there's a couple islands.
Is there more than one island or just that one?
There's a couple islands in that area that have that.
How many different islands have the Komodo dragon on them?
stavros halkias
I thought they were just in one.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think primarily in one.
stavros halkias
But yeah, they definitely look like, they feel like a monster.
joe rogan
They're the biggest, there's a thing called island dwarfism, where like elephants, when they come out of place, they get small.
Oh, here it is.
Few Indonesian islands of the lesser Sunda group, including Rincha, Padar, and Flores, and of course the island of Komodo, the largest, 22 miles long.
They have not been seen on the island of Padar since the 1970s.
That island of Flores is where those hobbit people live.
stavros halkias
Oh, really?
joe rogan
The little other ones?
Yeah, those little tiny people used to live.
stavros halkias
Oh, are they the ones that killed a missionary or whatever the fuck?
joe rogan
No, I don't know.
Did they?
Is that a story?
jamie vernon
No, it's the Sentinel Island people.
joe rogan
Oh, you're thinking of North Sentinel Island.
No, that's in the Indian Ocean.
Oh, okay.
That's the people that lived alongside of human beings like 100,000 years ago.
stavros halkias
Holy shit.
joe rogan
And they're these little tiny people that were like three feet tall.
stavros halkias
Damn hell yeah.
joe rogan
And they had tools and weapons and shit.
They were just little hobbits.
stavros halkias
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
So that's that island dwarfism thing.
In islands, for whatever reason, I guess because there's limited resources, elephants get smaller, mammals get smaller, deer get smaller, but lizards get bigger.
stavros halkias
Whoa, that sucks.
joe rogan
That sucks.
unidentified
That has to keep the population in check.
joe rogan
So that's why the island of Komodo has these fucking things with the biggest lizards on earth on an island.
stavros halkias
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
stavros halkias
Get the lizards out of there.
Go in there.
You get to feel fucking tall.
joe rogan
Stranded divers had to fight off Komodo dragons to survive.
Oh my god!
The divers who went missing off Indonesia were forced to beat off deadly Komodo dragons with the lead weights of their diving belts as they were repeatedly attacked.
One of the survivors disclosed last night, Can you imagine all you got is the weights on your diving belt and you have to whack a Komodo dragon with it?
What does it say here?
jamie vernon
They spent 10 hours stuck in shark-infested waters.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
Oh my god, have been swept away and spun around for 10 hours in shark-infested waters.
They reached the beach on a remote island at nightfall, only to find it was inhabited by Komodo dragons, the world's largest and most deadly lizards.
stavros halkias
Well, at least we'll get a nice night's rest on this island.
joe rogan
This is a great movie.
Did all of them live?
There was a woman with them?
A Swedish woman who was with the group told how she fought off a terrifying reptile three times with her weight belt!
stavros halkias
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Used by divers to maintain their buoyancy underwater, the 10-foot carnivorous predator came within inches of biting her bare feet.
It chewed on the lead in the belt before finally retreating as the divers threw rocks at its head.
stavros halkias
Goddamn, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
stavros halkias
I tried to have a go at my feet.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
stavros halkias
Holy fuck, dude.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, dude.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I'm fucked.
joe rogan
Those things are so scary.
There's so many animals on this planet that just don't give a fuck about people and that are ready to eat you.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I'm a fucking city motherfucker.
I'm scared.
I like going on a hike, but I don't want to be alone with any kind of fucking scary-ass animal.
joe rogan
Have you seen the video of that crocodile that has a human body in its mouth and it's swimming underneath this bridge?
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
It literally brings it up to these people and shows it to them.
stavros halkias
I'm like, fuck you motherfuckers.
unidentified
Like literally.
stavros halkias
You're next.
joe rogan
It's like, I think he's trying to show it to us.
God damn, dude.
Like the crocodile swims up to where these people are with a person in its mouth.
stavros halkias
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
It's like, this could be you, bitch.
unidentified
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
It is wild.
These guys are in a boat, and the crocodile, for no reason at all, swims towards them with a human in its mouth.
stavros halkias
Huge flex on the crocodile part.
unidentified
Huge flex.
Huge flex.
joe rogan
I'd like to do this to you.
I know you're in the boat.
stavros halkias
You guys are up.
Humanity's up a million to one on animals, but here's one.
I scored a touchdown.
joe rogan
Anybody feeling blue?
Want to go for a dip?
Want to end it all right now?
stavros halkias
Look at this.
Your team is losing, but you have a sick dunk.
joe rogan
So look, these guys are by this bridge.
This is one of two videos that I'm aware of.
But in this one, the crocodile is swimming with this human body.
stavros halkias
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Swimming up to the people with this human body.
Look, he's showing it to them.
stavros halkias
That fucking sucks.
joe rogan
He's looking up at them, and as the bridge goes, he goes.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
So he's going down the bridge like he's on a fucking runway.
stavros halkias
On a stroll, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's displaying his trophy to all these people.
unidentified
Goddamn.
joe rogan
He's letting them know that he killed a person.
stavros halkias
It's like, you motherfuckers could be next.
joe rogan
That's a big fucking crime, too.
Bro, look at that guy.
Look at that poor guy, face down.
That was someone's son.
That was someone's baby boy.
stavros halkias
They didn't eat him?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
They'll eat him eventually.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But look what he's doing.
Look at the size of that thing.
stavros halkias
Damn.
joe rogan
Goddamn swimming dinosaur.
stavros halkias
Poor guy.
joe rogan
And we're so weird, because if crocodiles could kill all of us, if we kill crocodiles and they go, hey, we just kill all the people, then we don't have to worry about people anymore.
They'd be like, yeah, let's kill the people.
But with us, we're like, you gotta keep them alive.
They're a part of the ecosystem.
If I lived there, I would be like the punisher for crocodiles.
I would dedicate my every fucking day to killing crocodiles.
I would just go out there with a fucking spotlight and a shotgun.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I'd just be murking them.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everywhere I went, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
And then some little bird that they eat just overruns the island, but fuck it, dude.
Fine.
You got the Crocs.
joe rogan
Who cares?
Fuck you.
stavros halkias
I'll kill the little birds.
joe rogan
Yeah, take some photos of them, stuff a few dead ones, and let's end this experiment.
This fucking blows.
unidentified
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Why do we keep things around that'll kill us?
stavros halkias
The Komodos, truly, they can go.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can suck my dick.
stavros halkias
I don't fuck with those guys at all.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here, you slime-mouthed monsters swallowing baboons whole.
Show them a video of it swallowing a deer whole.
Because this is what you've got to see.
You've got to see how they can just chuck back.
stavros halkias
No, I truly don't fuck with those things.
joe rogan
I mean, it's so big.
You watch how big this thing is at its walls.
It doesn't even make sense.
stavros halkias
Dude, yeah, it's fucked up.
No.
No, this poor fucking guy.
unidentified
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Does this swallow it?
No, they're eating this deer alive.
stavros halkias
That's fucking atrocious.
joe rogan
This is awful.
This is awful.
stavros halkias
Look at its cute little fucking eyes!
joe rogan
Google Komodo.
unidentified
Jesus, Jamie, what are you trying to do to me?
joe rogan
Google Komodo dragon swallows deer hole.
stavros halkias
Oh my fucking god, dude.
joe rogan
Well, people who like that with bears, I mean, bears are not much different.
They're less likely to kill you, but when they do, it's just like that.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Horrific.
So here it is.
stavros halkias
Oh no.
joe rogan
Okay, so it's got this deer.
stavros halkias
I mean, it's still a hole.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
See, that thing's already dead.
stavros halkias
It's like a snake with a mouse.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look how it does it, though.
It's even quicker than a snake, though.
Because it just- Jesus Christ.
Clamps it down, throws it back.
unidentified
Look at that.
stavros halkias
How disgusting the fucking stomach of that motherfucker is.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that thing.
I mean, it ate something that was probably a third of the size of its body.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's walking around right now with the hooves sticking out the front of his mouth because he can't quite swallow it all down.
Zero gag reflex.
jamie vernon
Eat up to 80% of its body size?
stavros halkias
Jesus Christ!
joe rogan
80% of its body size.
Look at it.
It doesn't even look fat.
stavros halkias
Nah, dude.
That's a lean guy.
joe rogan
It just ate a whole deer.
stavros halkias
Fuck it.
And he's walking away.
joe rogan
But he's got a deer in his gut and now he's looking to eat more.
Dude, what a creep.
Look at that fucking creep.
stavros halkias
I fucking hate that thing.
joe rogan
It's so scary that that lives alongside of us in 2022. Yeah.
That we're just out here.
stavros halkias
Giving a little island.
joe rogan
We only think of what we see.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
We really do.
unidentified
Which I like.
joe rogan
We see birds and squirrels and shit.
stavros halkias
I like.
I don't need to know more.
I like being dumb as shit and having a good time.
Let me see my little squirrels.
Let me see something cute.
joe rogan
You say you do, but you know too much.
stavros halkias
I know.
joe rogan
You know too much for that to be accurate.
stavros halkias
I'm forgetting.
I'm getting dumber every day.
I've spent the last 12 years of my life.
I was kind of smart, and then I've been doing stand-up for 14 years.
It's all dick jokes.
That's all I know now.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's smart.
It's hard to do.
Smart people can't do it.
A lot of smart people that can't figure out how to do comedy.
stavros halkias
Sure, it's a skill.
Definitely it's a skill, but it's a very special skill.
joe rogan
For a very specific type of fucked up personality.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's like most janitors are more useful to the world than me.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Not true.
Not true.
You're a funny motherfucker.
You provide people with a good feeling.
That's super valuable.
stavros halkias
The good feeling is something, for sure.
joe rogan
It's fucking everything, man.
Going to a nightclub.
I've done a lot of shit.
A lot of fun stuff.
But going to a nightclub and just making 250 people have a good time is one of the best things on earth.
stavros halkias
It is the best.
I mean, that's been the fucking...
I mean, this tour has been really nice.
I mean, I got really lucky.
I put my special out.
And a lot more people started coming out.
That's awesome.
joe rogan
You do the YouTube route.
stavros halkias
YouTube route.
Live at the Lodge Room.
Go watch it, everybody.
Live at the Lodge Room.
It went fun.
It did really great.
I mean, I saw Sam did it.
Shane did it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Ari's now 4.7 million.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's closing it on five.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
He says when he hits six, Kanye's going to apologize.
I'm so embarrassed that we were joking around back and forth in text, and I didn't even get the reference.
I was saying, dude, I think your special's gonna hit eight million.
He goes, no, I think it'll stop at six.
And I didn't even think he's saying the Holocaust.
I was like, no, you're selling yourself short.
unidentified
Idiot.
joe rogan
I'm such a fucking moron.
I was thinking like a supportive friend and not like a Canadian.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But I'm so pumped for him.
stavros halkias
No, it's awesome.
joe rogan
It's really good, man.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ari Shfierd Jew, available now on YouTube.
stavros halkias
And so it's been really great, and the tour has been really fun.
As much as the road can be hard, you're right.
The actual onstage is the best thing.
joe rogan
It's the best.
stavros halkias
It's the best feeling in the world.
joe rogan
It's the best.
And, you know, arenas are great.
Theaters are great.
Everything's great.
It's all great.
And comedy clubs are just as great.
I mean, if I only did a 200-seat room for the rest of my life, it's the fucking best job on earth.
It really is the best thing to do.
stavros halkias
I'm really excited because I'm trying theaters next year, and it's going well.
We're selling the Fat Rascal Tour.
Go fucking buy your tickets.
I'm all over the place.
But I have Vermont Comedy Club coming up this week, this next weekend.
joe rogan
I heard that's a great spot.
stavros halkias
Great spot, dude.
And it's like, I'm happy because we booked it before my shit blew up.
So it's like, I would have probably played a bigger room, but I'm like, part of me is like, dude, it'll be fun.
joe rogan
I love a little room.
stavros halkias
I opened for Bobby there.
I have great memories there.
I hooked up with a girl outside there.
I eat dumplings there.
It was a great little fucking weekend.
I can't wait to go back.
joe rogan
Comedy clubs like that are great.
Especially when there's no other comedy clubs around.
So they're really comedy fans that really appreciate it.
stavros halkias
Yeah, for sure.
It'll be super fun.
joe rogan
Burlington's a fun little town, too.
stavros halkias
I love Burlington.
joe rogan
It's cold as fuck.
That's what keeps people from moving there.
Because in the wintertime, it gets rough.
stavros halkias
Oh, I can imagine.
joe rogan
Vermont gets rough.
stavros halkias
I'm hoping there's no fucking snowstorm.
It's just kind of cute and cold.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the thing is, people look out for each other when it gets rough.
It's a different kind of people.
If your car gets stranded in Maine, people look out for you.
stavros halkias
I get that.
joe rogan
They'll come help you, get you over the side of the road, give you a ride somewhere.
They help people.
Whenever a car's broken down on the highway in the snow in the Northeast, you'll see other cars pull over.
stavros halkias
For sure.
joe rogan
Some guy in a four-wheel drive will pull over.
You guys okay?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't do shit like that in LA. No, fuck no.
stavros halkias
They're like, Like, oh, hopefully that guy's up for the same audition and he's not going to make it.
They'll cut your brake lines between you and him for a Geico commercial.
joe rogan
They'll wait for you to get a tow truck and they'll steal your catalytic converter.
It's just too many people.
And you have a few people and then they have to conquer the winter.
stavros halkias
Together.
joe rogan
Together, you gotta help the old lady shove herself out of the driveway.
unidentified
Of course.
stavros halkias
It's cute.
No, I fuck with Burlington big time.
joe rogan
I love it up there.
I haven't been there in fucking years, but I used to do gigs there all the time, back in the early days of comedy.
stavros halkias
For sure, when you're going a few hours from your city.
joe rogan
Yeah, we used to do those.
I used to do Bangor, Maine a lot.
That was a lot of fun.
That's where Stephen King lived.
You could go by his house.
We're standing outside Stephen King's house.
stavros halkias
He's like, I get it.
This is my house.
joe rogan
But it's like, it's so obviously his house.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's like bats and shit in the wrought iron metal around the house.
He's not hiding it at all.
stavros halkias
Leaning into it.
joe rogan
And he's in the middle.
It's like right there.
It's like you could throw a rock and hit his house from the street.
stavros halkias
Fuck yeah, dude.
joe rogan
And I'm like, this is, he's a crazy...
stavros halkias
And everyone just gets it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Stephen King lives here.
joe rogan
Well, it was also like, it's a point of pride.
Like you got a guy who's like one of the, if not the greatest horror writer of all time.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Look at, that's his house.
stavros halkias
Oh, hell yeah.
That does look haunted for sure.
joe rogan
Bro, he wrote some wild shit in that house.
stavros halkias
There are some spirits in that little fucking steeple looking thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wrote some wild shit in that house.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I didn't do too many gigs.
I would do some Northeast stuff because I used to open for Bobby for years, Bobby Kelly.
That's my guy.
joe rogan
I love Bobby.
Bobby and I started out together.
stavros halkias
Really?
joe rogan
Holy shit.
I used to work with Bobby when he was on with Al and the Monkees.
The fucking weird little improv troupe?
unidentified
Yes.
stavros halkias
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
They opened for me at Dick Daugherty's Comedy Hut.
And it was Al would go, Al Delbeni went up, and then Bobby would go up, and then Dane would go up.
And they would do sketches, and then they would all do like five minutes of stand-up, and then I would headline.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
We did a few gigs like that.
stavros halkias
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love Bobby.
I've always loved Bobby.
stavros halkias
Oh, he's the man.
But yeah, he took me to Vermont, you know, Boston a bunch of times.
Took me to that fucking weird Chinese restaurant that used to do shit, the Kowloon.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, the Kowloon's great.
I did a lot.
I was there when it opened.
Yeah, I did a lot of gigs at the Kowloon.
And then there's Giggles.
You ever do Giggles and Saugas?
stavros halkias
Never did Giggles.
joe rogan
That's a great club.
stavros halkias
Never did Giggles.
joe rogan
That's a great club.
That's my friend Mike Clark's club.
That's Lenny Clark's brother.
stavros halkias
Okay, nice.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I worked with Lenny Clark the second time I ever got paid.
I opened up for Lenny Clark.
It was like the greatest thing ever.
He had been on HBO and the Rodney Dangerfield special.
stavros halkias
The local legends, dude.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he was the guy.
stavros halkias
Those first paid gigs are awesome.
I remember the first time I ever made money.
I grew up in Baltimore.
I started doing comedy.
I did this fucking bringer, right?
I'm 19 and I bring all my friends.
And I fucking, you know, do pretty good because all your friends are there.
And some guy sees me and he's like...
I think you really got something, kid.
And I'm like, oh, really, sir?
You know, he's just some fucking guy that runs a shitty gig in southwest Virginia, right?
Five hours away from Baltimore.
Pays $50.
I spent more money on gas than to do the fucking gig.
But I bring my boys.
I'm so pumped.
And I'm like, he thinks I'm...
I'm calling the girl I'm dating.
I'm like, I think I'm going to fucking be famous anymore.
You know what I mean?
I think it's finally happening.
And I saw that guy years later, and I fucking ate my dick.
I didn't do well.
I was fucking horrible.
And I saw that guy years later, and he's like, yeah, dude.
He was like, fuck, I thought you were going to bring more people.
I mean, you brought so many people to the contest.
I was crestfallen.
I was like, what?
You didn't see potential in me?
I mean, I was doing jokes like, I mean, I need to lose some weight.
I can't even wipe my own ass.
Like, just 19-year-old fucking brutal stuff.
joe rogan
But those gigs where you get a gig out of town, and you're not really qualified to do it, and you're not even at a comedy club, you're at some weird bar, those teach you.
stavros halkias
They're smoking cigarettes indoors at that point.
joe rogan
But those teach you about comedy, man.
stavros halkias
Well, not only do they teach me about comedy, they tell me about life.
The end of the story is I come back and I drove with my friends, right?
I brought two friends with me.
It was like a fun time.
We're like, whoa, Stav's got a gig.
My two best friends.
We stop on the way back.
We go to an IHOP, right?
It's like 1 a.m.
I order...
In a Virginia IHOP, at 1am, I order ribs.
unidentified
I order fucking ribs.
stavros halkias
And they come out, and my friends are like, you don't want fucking eggs and pancakes?
I'm like, nah, I kind of feel like ribs.
The shit comes out, it's gray.
It's just like a slab of...
joe rogan
Boiled ribs.
stavros halkias
Just, dude, microwaved, probably.
And I'm like, ah, fuck it.
You know, whatever.
Who gives a fuck?
And I eat it, and I'm driving, and I'm like, oh...
Hey, does somebody else want to drive?
And it's like, and they're like, okay.
And then I'm sitting in the, and then like five minutes later, I'm like, can you guys pull over?
I just start throwing up everywhere.
I'm in fucking the fetal position for two hours back home.
They dropped me off at my house in Baltimore.
I am just shitting and throwing up at the exact same time.
And that's my first ever paid gig.
I was like, I did it, baby.
I did come into getting ribs from IHOP and fucking Nice.
It was a brutal, you know, a tough learning experience.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
I fucking remember very clearly those gigs.
Those are some of the most important gigs ever when you just go to some weird bar and you have to get everybody's attention.
You learn how to deliver your jokes quicker.
stavros halkias
Fully.
joe rogan
Yeah, you learn how to keep people's attention span, and there were so many of them.
You could actually make a living being nobody.
Like back then, you'd make like 50 a set, 100 a set, and you could do five, six, seven sets a week.
You'd have money!
stavros halkias
No, I remember I quit my job, because that was starting to happen to me in Baltimore, and what had happened was I just lined up every gig possible in the first three months, and I was like, well, I can make a living, and then I was like, oh no, I just did every gig for the year.
So now I'm like back at the...
I worked at a Sherwin-Williams my last year in Baltimore, but that was fun, too.
Working at a paint store, fucking...
But it is true, everywhere you go...
joe rogan
That's important, too.
Those shitty jobs?
stavros halkias
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Shitty jobs are very important as a human being.
You need to know that you don't want to do something.
stavros halkias
100%.
My last real gig, I was a paralegal.
And I didn't really know what the law firm...
It was just right before I needed to move to New York.
And my friend was doing it.
And this was right in the middle of the housing crisis.
And I get there, and it's a fucking foreclosure law firm.
And I'm like, I don't want to fucking be a part of this.
I don't want to take people's homes because of the housing crisis.
So I just decided, I was like, fuck it, I'm just not going to do any work.
I get hired in July.
They train me for August.
September rolls around.
I'm like...
I'm just not really gonna do shit.
I'm gonna fucking work on comedy.
I'm on Facebook Messenger.
I'm gonna write jokes.
You know what I mean?
And I'm thinking I'll get like a month, two months out of this.
They don't fire me for fucking eight months.
And I'm just in there like my boss would walk by and I would hit the fucking mouse and my login screen would show up.
Like I wasn't even logged into the computer to fake work.
And I was like, I can't, I'm just taking two hour lunches.
I'm pushing it at this point.
And I'm just like, how the fuck is this still happening?
And they fucking call me into the office.
Finally, one day they call me in.
And they're like, okay, so we want to talk.
My boss would be like, hey, do you want to, like, do some work?
You know, because everyone loved me because I'm not doing work.
I'm hanging around like, Linda, what's up?
Like, how's the baby?
Like, I'm the king of the office, dude.
I'm just having a good ass time.
And everyone loved me.
And I was doing good for the, I think I was moving women's issues forward because I was the shittiest employee and I was the only man.
I was the only fucking college educated man.
I was clearly the fucking biggest piece of shit employee.
I was building the glass ceiling above my head, I feel like.
And so they call me in.
They're finally like, hey, so we were running some numbers.
Apparently they just didn't want to pay unemployment insurance.
And so they were just tracking me for months.
And they had like...
They were just like reading me everything that I had done wrong.
And they're like, so you've...
And this was like a factory thing where every time you did anything, you had to click off a step is what they called it.
So you would schedule a hearing, click off a step.
You would email a lawyer, click off a step, right?
Because they wanted to track you.
And they're like, so we were looking at your steps the last couple of months.
And people in your department, they usually average about 3,000 steps a month.
We were looking at you.
You did about 300 steps.
I was like...
joe rogan
They track your steps?
stavros halkias
They do.
They track everything you do.
It was fucking crazy.
And they were like, so how do you explain that?
unidentified
I was like, ah, you know, I got nothing.
stavros halkias
You know what I mean?
I don't know what to tell you.
joe rogan
What are they using to track your steps?
stavros halkias
There's some software where every time you did anything, you would have to check it off to prove that you're a good employee.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, track your steps in terms of your motions on a computer.
stavros halkias
Yeah, no, not on some Amazon...
joe rogan
I thought you were saying like walking.
stavros halkias
No, no, no.
Not Amazon.
unidentified
I was like, what?
stavros halkias
We weren't there yet.
No, no.
It was just like, how hard are you working?
joe rogan
I'm confused.
stavros halkias
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I blame the marijuana.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I should have followed that.
stavros halkias
No, they were just fucking tracking me and I just wasn't doing shit.
They were just like, you should be doing 10 times the amount of work that you're doing.
joe rogan
Well, you know what people were doing when they were doing remote work.
They installed an app that moved the cursor around.
stavros halkias
Good for them.
Fuck you.
unidentified
Wild.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Just wild.
Like, what is that app signing up for?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
You're getting tracked.
That app sending your fucking passwords to China.
stavros halkias
100%.
unidentified
Right now.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your Facebook now belongs to Moldovia.
stavros halkias
I'm ready for the glorious revolution.
I wanted to say one other thing.
I forgot.
I wanted to start the thing, but we started talking about animal pussy.
I have a...
It's Christmas time.
I brought some cookies.
unidentified
Oh.
stavros halkias
My mom made some fucking cookies.
You want Jamie?
I don't know.
You guys want a fucking...
You want to try a cookie?
You want to try from my girl Lil V, my mom?
joe rogan
Yeah, but let's not...
I mean, I'll try it if you want me to.
I don't like to eat on the air.
stavros halkias
That's fair.
joe rogan
It's gross for everybody else.
stavros halkias
You're a much better podcaster than me.
joe rogan
I've done it before.
People get annoyed.
Crunch, crunch, crunch.
But I definitely want to try your mom's cookies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And if you want to try some of Erica's bee pollen.
stavros halkias
Fuck yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, she left us some bee pollen with honey in it.
I love it.
When she was here yesterday, she actually got that.
From a beehive.
stavros halkias
That rules.
My godfather in Greece, he's got a little beehive.
joe rogan
Seems so exciting.
stavros halkias
He lives real fucking villager style.
unidentified
Oh shit.
stavros halkias
Dude, because it's like Greece, the fucking, like the economy went to shit.
So it's just like, he literally lives kind of villager shit where it's like him and my godmother moved to The island his family is from, like, historically.
He's got a little—he gets honey, his friend has fucking moonshine, his other friend has rabbits, and they literally, like, barter and shit, dude.
It was fucking awesome.
I went to Greece, I visited them, like, four years ago, and it was like, I'm getting fucked up off his friend's moonshine, we're eating fucking rabbit stew that his fucking friend hunted.
It was just like, they're broke as shit, but they're having a good-ass time in Greece.
joe rogan
That's nice if you could live like that.
As long as you have too many people and the resources don't get overrun, you can live like that.
If you grow your own vegetables and you cook your own food and you can hunt and you can maybe have some animals, that's a nice way to live, man.
Well, it's a lot of responsibility.
But it seems very satisfying for people, like the people that I know that are actually farmers or have a small farm.
It's almost like a spiritual experience.
It puts you in tune with life and death and how you live and what you eat.
You're directly responsible for all the food that's in your body, which I think is a normal human requirement.
There's a thing, if you just get the food from somewhere else, I bet part of you is like, where is this coming from?
unidentified
Shut up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You have to like, squash that part of your brain, it's confused.
stavros halkias
Your body's like, what the, this fucking microwave burrito, this is not going to be in our body.
joe rogan
There's these human reward systems that are inside of us, and I always equate it to like, catching a fish.
When you catch a fish, there's a fucking feeling when you catch a fish, like, oh shit, there's an excitement.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you catch a fish that I think is primal, and I think it goes back to that meant you feed your family.
Because back in the day when they first invented fishing, thousands of years ago, that's what it meant.
They first figured that out.
So when you get a fish, you're like, we survive.
It's so much so that people love to catch fish and put them back.
stavros halkias
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
Just for the rush.
stavros halkias
It's leftover.
joe rogan
They just fuck with the fish, and they have special hooks, like when they go fly fishing, that are barbless.
stavros halkias
So you don't fuck them up.
joe rogan
You catch these trout, and you just release them.
stavros halkias
Damn.
Yeah, well, I don't think he's thinking of it spiritually.
He's just the fucking, he's drunk as shit all the time.
But it is spiritual.
joe rogan
I know he's not thinking about it that way, but I think there's something about it.
It's a great life.
stavros halkias
He's also like the criminally, most criminally horny man I've ever met in my life.
joe rogan
Criminally horny?
stavros halkias
Well, I'm sorry, never said that.
He's not a priest.
joe rogan
Just like, aggressively.
stavros halkias
He's just a very horny man, you're right.
joe rogan
Don't you think that was probably most humans?
If you look at like testosterone rates in this country, oh, that's what I was gonna say earlier.
You know James Cameron said that testosterone is a toxin that men need to remove from their bodies?
stavros halkias
James Cameron?
joe rogan
James Cameron said this.
stavros halkias
Fuck, dude.
joe rogan
But Rob Wolf posted this on his Instagram today in response to that.
Like, testosterone is the dominant hormone in women.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
Women have more estrogen than men, but men have more testosterone than women, but women have more testosterone than they do estrogen.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
Estrogen is just what they have more of than us.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
I did not know this.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Rob Wolf put that on his page today.
stavros halkias
I had no idea.
joe rogan
Needed James Cameron.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
James Cameron.
stavros halkias
But the motherfucker can make a movie.
joe rogan
He, fuck, makes the shit out of a movie.
unidentified
But in his movie, there's a lot of fucking aggressive male energy.
stavros halkias
Yeah, there's a lot of aggressive female energy.
joe rogan
Female energy, too.
stavros halkias
Aliens.
joe rogan
Aliens, yeah.
stavros halkias
Aliens, dollar sign.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the one where the aliens were easy to kill.
Like, in the first one...
unidentified
The first one, you couldn't fucking come close to killing him.
joe rogan
They were so hard to find.
There's one, he was so clever.
And the second one, they're like, and boom, you shotgun him in the face.
stavros halkias
What if that was their commando?
What if they got the fucking, the first one was just like the fucking most big dick badass fucking one of them, and then it's just a bunch of bumbling dumbasses.
I would love to see aliens from, it's like a comedy from their perspective, where they're like, ooh.
joe rogan
Right, the first one was a Navy SEAL, and these guys are just tech nerds.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
stavros halkias
A bunch of guys that do the back end for like fucking seamless.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
stavros halkias
In their little fucking vests.
joe rogan
Just getting fucking murked by that hot Latina chick.
stavros halkias
Oh, hell yeah.
joe rogan
Who's that girl that was in that movie?
She was the one.
You like her, right?
stavros halkias
Yeah, I absolutely like her.
I don't think she was Latina.
I think I've looked this up.
joe rogan
She's not?
stavros halkias
I don't believe so.
joe rogan
She plays a good Latina.
You can't do that anymore.
Wait a minute.
Are you sure?
I The lady in Aliens?
Who is it?
Who's in Aliens?
stavros halkias
I believe I looked this up when I was horny for her.
And I believe...
I want to say she might even be Jewish.
unidentified
What?
stavros halkias
I believe so.
We'll see.
joe rogan
Jamie will pull this up in any moment.
The suspense is killing me.
stavros halkias
Good podcasting.
unidentified
Her?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude, I believe she's fucking Jewish.
She's got big old titties.
joe rogan
That was a great fucking movie, bro.
That was a great fucking movie.
Yeah, there she is.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
That was a great fucking movie.
stavros halkias
And I believe she has a brand of bras for big titted women.
unidentified
Does she?
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
unidentified
I swear to God.
stavros halkias
Jeanette Goldstein.
unidentified
Jeanette Goldstein.
No, that is the Jewish, most Jewish name ever.
Jeanette Goldstein, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
stavros halkias
Yeah, Private Vasquez.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that is hilarious.
By the way, I support her right to do that.
stavros halkias
Look up Jeanette Goldstein bras for us.
joe rogan
Some people are going to get mad at her now because she played a Latina in a movie.
stavros halkias
She was in brownface.
joe rogan
She got a strong tan.
stavros halkias
The alphabet starts at D. She's got a big-titted...
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
She's got a giant bra.
stavros halkias
That's another thing about the algorithm for a while when I was looking at TikToks.
For a while, it was showing me influencers for big-titted women who were looking for sports bras that'll fit them.
Because I was looking up so many women with big breasts.
They were like, well, maybe he's a lady with big tits that needs a bra that works.
Oh my god.
I was like, no.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
stavros halkias
No.
Oh, I forgot to fucking, speaking of sexual things, we're just fucking chatting.
I wanted to also plug my 2023 erotic calendar.
Can I show you this right now?
unidentified
Sure.
stavros halkias
That's another part of my modeling career.
joe rogan
It's part of your hustle.
stavros halkias
Every fucking year I do a different calendar.
joe rogan
I'm just amazed that people are still making calendars.
stavros halkias
Dude, they love them.
joe rogan
Do you have any calendars, Jamie?
Do you own a calendar?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I had a calendar for a while that I used to keep on my office wall.
Look at you.
Stabby baby, calendar for a sexy new year.
Let me see.
stavros halkias
Flip through these motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Let's see the hawks.
stavros halkias
This is my pride and joy.
joe rogan
Nice.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jack off, you worry.
stavros halkias
That's right.
joe rogan
Nice.
stavros halkias
How about that squirt timber right there?
joe rogan
Clitbrary.
Munch.
Gabriel.
Oh, nice.
stavros halkias
You like what you see, Joey?
These are good.
unidentified
These are good.
joe rogan
You look great.
unidentified
Thank you.
stavros halkias
Shout out to my boy, Stefan.
Stefan Fleming.
joe rogan
Nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Fucktober.
So those are available, folks.
joe rogan
You can get them now.
The calendar sells?
stavros halkias
People buying calendars?
unidentified
The calendar sells, dude.
joe rogan
For fun, right?
For fun.
Like, you have any cubicle and shit?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
You'd probably get fired if you had this in your cubicle.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
There's no real...
You don't show it.
stavros halkias
I do.
joe rogan
You're smart.
stavros halkias
I don't show cock.
joe rogan
No, there's no cock in there, right?
stavros halkias
At the very end, there's a photoshopped.
joe rogan
A little piece of tape.
Oh, there you go.
Put a little piece of tape over that part.
A friend of mine has a bar outside of town here, and he had this bathroom, and in the bathroom, in the men's room, they put up all these photos from Playboy magazine.
stavros halkias
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Old, old photos, like magazine covers.
stavros halkias
I love that.
joe rogan
So it's Playboy covers from like the 60s and the 70s and some cartoons and shit, and people complained.
stavros halkias
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, men complained that the naked breasts...
Well, they had kids, maybe.
Bring your little boy in there to take a leak.
No, it's like a bar slash restaurant.
stavros halkias
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
It's a very nice place.
But anyway, you go into this place and go in the bathroom and one of their bathrooms was themed in Playboys.
And so they had to go over all the breasts.
And put like...
stavros halkias
Put little stickers?
joe rogan
Little stickers over all the titties.
stavros halkias
Would it come up if you're like an 11-year-old the week before they covered the titties?
You're like, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
You're like, oh!
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
And they'll allow a little bit of side boob.
stavros halkias
A little side boob's nice.
joe rogan
It seems like as long as you don't see the nipples, it's a crazy thing.
It's like that one thing defines like, Oh, Jesus.
stavros halkias
Of course.
joe rogan
If you just cover the nipple with stars, everyone's cool.
stavros halkias
Everyone's great.
joe rogan
An X. Breasts are the weirdest fucking thing in that regard.
It's just something about showing a nipple.
stavros halkias
Showing the nip.
joe rogan
Remember when Janet Jackson did it at the Super Bowl?
People were like, what the?
stavros halkias
I know.
It was fucking wild.
Who really gives a fuck?
Let the titties out.
joe rogan
It's literally where children get food from.
stavros halkias
I'm with you.
We should be able to see titties.
joe rogan
It's at the dinner table.
What are we doing at the dinner table?
We're seeing this?
We're trying to watch the Super Bowl.
It's wholesome.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
They also set her up.
Janet Jackson got fucked.
She was the only one who suffered the consequences.
joe rogan
Justin Bieber didn't?
stavros halkias
Justin Timberlake was good.
Oh, Justin Bieber.
unidentified
Sorry.
joe rogan
Janet was one of the Justins.
One of them handsome fellas that's talented.
stavros halkias
Yeah, the last generation's Justin Bieber.
joe rogan
So they for sure planned that, right?
stavros halkias
You would think so.
joe rogan
Otherwise, it's kind of illegal.
stavros halkias
I remember looking it up and being like, time to jack off to this.
joe rogan
Well, if they didn't plan it, it's highly illegal.
stavros halkias
For sure.
joe rogan
If she didn't know about it, and you did it, that's highly illegal.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
You would think.
So they had a plan.
stavros halkias
And it backfired, and then he was like, oh, this is crazy.
joe rogan
I thought there was going to be a star underneath there.
stavros halkias
It's fucked.
I can't believe he got the fuck.
Didn't they date for a while?
joe rogan
Did they?
stavros halkias
That's unfair.
joe rogan
I hope they did after that.
stavros halkias
No, I don't think it was after that.
joe rogan
Before that?
stavros halkias
I think so.
joe rogan
Maybe that's better.
Prepare.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think she was too pleased afterwards.
joe rogan
She became like a Muslim, I believe.
stavros halkias
Did she?
joe rogan
Yeah, I believe she wears the full hijab and the whole deal now.
stavros halkias
Nice.
joe rogan
I think she even moved to another country.
stavros halkias
MJ for a while did go...
Didn't he go, wasn't he like hanging out with Farrakhan for a while?
joe rogan
I don't know.
stavros halkias
Like at the end, that's pretty, that's a sick move, Michael Jackson to do.
Just go back to the fucking, yeah, that's awesome.
joe rogan
When you're under siege, you know, like at the end of his life, he was under siege.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a...
stavros halkias
You need your boys.
joe rogan
That's how talented he is, though.
That people still play his music.
stavros halkias
I know.
joe rogan
People will give you the stink eye if R. Kelly comes on.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
We were talking about this the other night.
This friend of mine has a bar, and he had this dope-ass playlist.
And in that playlist was some R. Kelly.
stavros halkias
His remix to Ignition?
joe rogan
And some of it he forgot, and he had to go back and remove it.
Like, oh shit, people got upset at him that it was playing.
stavros halkias
There's a threshold of bangers.
That you have to cross to be able to let your sexual crimes be, you know.
joe rogan
But it's also R. Kelly's songs were so sexual.
stavros halkias
That's the thing.
It's like, this was written about someone doing algebra homework.
You know what I mean?
Like, MJ wasn't doing it.
His were just good fucking songs.
unidentified
ABC. It's the easiest one.
stavros halkias
One, two, three.
The clues were all there.
joe rogan
Literally.
Well, he was a child then.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
When he's saying that, he was a little boy.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I mean, this is well-trod territory, but that's a guy whose life is the most fucked up of all time.
joe rogan
Well, it is well-trod territory, but are you aware of the castrata theory?
stavros halkias
The theory that he got his nuts chopped off?
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
I did not hear this.
joe rogan
From his own doctor.
His doctor says he was chemically castrated.
The same doctor that killed him by anesthetizing him every night, that same doctor said that he was chemically castrated when he was young.
And that's how he maintained his voice.
stavros halkias
That's wild.
joe rogan
What's wild is that that was a thing.
That they used to do that to young boys to get them to sing opera.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fucking bro.
And being a eunuch and shit, that's more history shit.
It's like, if your shit wasn't going so good, you're lower class, it's like, chop your dick off and I can trust you around my wife.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you can hang around the house.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and it's like, damn, I don't know if I would have made that trade.
Bro.
joe rogan
That's that super creepy guy in Game of Thrones.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, Varys.
joe rogan
Fucking conniving little dickless wonder.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Out there trying to run the world.
You don't want that guy around.
They're probably more like him than they were like obedient.
stavros halkias
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
They're probably angry as fuck.
You took their dick away.
stavros halkias
I wonder...
joe rogan
All they get is free fruit?
stavros halkias
Yeah, free fruit.
I wonder if you could still bust from your ass?
joe rogan
It's the fact that you even wonder.
stavros halkias
You gotta figure it out.
joe rogan
I guess if you massage the stump while your finger and your butt...
stavros halkias
Because they don't take the prostate out, right?
The prostate's still there.
joe rogan
How does the jizz come out?
It probably comes out the most disappointing looking like...
stavros halkias
It's a dribble.
joe rogan
It's like soft serve ice cream.
stavros halkias
Yeah, when the machine's down.
joe rogan
It's probably so sad.
unidentified
Syrupy.
joe rogan
The saddest nut you'll ever bust.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
I wonder if castratos could bust through their ass.
joe rogan
I wonder.
I wonder if they kept their penis, but they just removed their testicles.
That's more likely is what they did.
Probably.
With Unix, I don't know how they handled it.
I think they might have just the whole thing.
stavros halkias
The whole thing's got to go.
That's tough.
joe rogan
Pissing from the little hole.
stavros halkias
Oh, that sucks.
Give him a little dick.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
The whole thing is so terrifying that that was a common practice.
Or at least common enough that we know of it.
stavros halkias
I think it was pretty common.
I don't know.
Because in all the history podcasts and books and shit, there's a lot of fucking eunuchs running around.
joe rogan
And that's one of the things that throughout history people did to people in war.
Cut their dick off, stuff it in their mouth.
stavros halkias
That's a tough one.
joe rogan
You got your own dick in your mouth as you're watching the axe come down.
That's gotta be a special kind of horror.
stavros halkias
That's what it pays to have a little penis.
I'll put it under my tongue like a Tic Tac.
You could spit your dick back out at him.
What do you got to lose at that point?
joe rogan
So we talk about like declining sperm counts and how they're happening right now.
Like there's all these studies done on men's sperm counts since like the 1950s.
Rapid decline.
If you go back in history, doesn't it make sense that they would go up and up and up?
Like I think when it was really hard to stay alive, I think people were probably ultra hyper horny.
stavros halkias
Because you only had a small window.
joe rogan
As long as you had food, where you had enough food so you weren't starving, you're probably super horny.
Because they're probably wilder people.
stavros halkias
But at the same time, you're probably so fucking overworked.
That too.
I think it's probably the way height goes in society, where it's like, the more nourished you are, I think there's probably, we hit a point where it's like, we have the most comforts, we have the most nourished, and we're kind of like, you know, not as overworked.
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
And I think that's probably, just, you know, fully have no fucking clue, like I said.
joe rogan
No, that makes sense.
But it makes sense that you're saying it with resources.
But if there was like a resource-rich area...
Say if there was an area where people were hunter-gatherers and they grew some food and they all did like your uncle does in Greece and they all lived off the land.
stavros halkias
They all took pictures of women's breasts with their Motorola flip phone, too?
joe rogan
They're well-nourished, but they're people that are living 1,000, 2,000 years ago.
They probably were horny as fuck.
stavros halkias
There's probably like a, I would say a slim majority that is the horniest guys of all time.
joe rogan
All time.
stavros halkias
But I think most of them are just so beaten down by how fucking atrocious their lifestyle is that it's like, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true too.
But the young guys who aren't beaten down yet, they gotta be the most horrific.
stavros halkias
And at the same time, when you're so beaten down, what do you have if not busting a nut?
Killing people.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Killing people and eating roast lamb.
stavros halkias
But the guys that didn't get to kill.
The guys that are fucking getting killed and fucking, you know.
joe rogan
Which is most guys.
stavros halkias
Most guys are just fucking chaffing wheat or whatever the fuck for the fucking emperor or the fucking whoever the fuck is.
joe rogan
And if you live in a super brutal, horrible place, good luck inventing anything.
stavros halkias
Oh, dude.
Good luck.
Yeah.
We talk about time off.
It's like they had their time off was the fucking Sunday because they got to go to church and see the full circle, go to the fucking priests, you know, blinged out, just fucking hang.
And that was very interesting.
I read a book about the medieval times where it's like church was just honestly, people were just hanging out.
Like it was kind of like a bar.
unidentified
Social dwelling.
stavros halkias
It was like social, yeah.
The priest was reading shit, but no one could really understand.
They didn't know Latin.
unidentified
Right.
stavros halkias
They were just fucking hanging out.
It's kind of interesting because it was like, it makes sense.
joe rogan
What year did they make it so the Catholic priest had to take a vow of chastity?
stavros halkias
I don't know.
joe rogan
Let's find that out.
unidentified
I guarantee that was in response to them banging everybody.
joe rogan
I guarantee you.
stavros halkias
I still think it's because they wouldn't have to pay the equivalent of child support.
joe rogan
I don't think they...
That's too complicated a scheme.
I think more likely is they had to put a stop to these guys banging everybody.
stavros halkias
But see, would that put a stop to it?
Couldn't they still keep getting...
joe rogan
I think they probably did it in those fucking confession booths.
That was probably their idea.
stavros halkias
That's how it started?
joe rogan
The first glory hole?
unidentified
In between, open that fucking door, give it all the old stuff.
stavros halkias
How many of those were glory holes?
joe rogan
A hundred of them.
stavros halkias
That's pretty cool.
All right.
I'm back in on the Catholic Church.
If you can find me artifacts of glory holes, I'm in.
joe rogan
I used to do a joke about it.
Like, imagine the idea where you take a guy who's not allowed to masturbate or have sex ever.
Then you make him listen to fuck stories whispered through a hole in the wall.
stavros halkias
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
Because that's mostly what people confess.
There's a couple of murders, but it's a lot of fuck my brother.
It's a lot of crazy stuff.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
joe rogan
You're dealing with people that, you know, 2,000 years ago, they're fucking animals, man.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
unidentified
Animals.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Wild people.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
It's all like fucking Game of Thrones shit.
stavros halkias
They're all just doing- I fucked the servant.
The servant sucked me off.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're fucking everybody.
They killed a guy with an axe.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Stole an apple.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
That kind of shit.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Bro, imagine watching someone get hacked to death when you're a child.
That's a normal thing to see.
You're seven years old.
You see a guy lose a sword fight.
unidentified
Yeah, that's normal.
joe rogan
His head falls down, blood squirting out of his neck like a fire hydrant.
stavros halkias
And that guy who was, in your mind, ancient, he's like 20 years old.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
stavros halkias
They died so fucking soon.
joe rogan
So fucking soon.
stavros halkias
Although I do wonder...
Other shit I'm reading is like some of the shit, especially in like cities and stuff like that, it wasn't as brutal and like...
Like we do have like a barbaric...
Certainly that happened a lot, but there was also like...
I think a little bit of how dirty and shit it was is a little overblown too, but I'm interested in that.
joe rogan
I think there was a high level of sophistication in comparison to a lot of other cultures back then, but in terms of us today, I bet we would be shocked by how savage they behave.
stavros halkias
Yeah, probably.
joe rogan
I think so.
I think they're probably both intelligent and savage.
I mean, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations is like, still to this day, one of the most interesting books on philosophy and the way a guy lives his life ever.
That motherfucker wrote that as the Roman Emperor 2,000 years ago.
stavros halkias
Damn.
joe rogan
What did he see?
stavros halkias
That is wild.
joe rogan
What kind of shit did that guy see?
stavros halkias
Yeah, what a fucking nerd.
You get to be the emperor, you're fucking doing homework?
I'm in the harem, brother.
joe rogan
He's talking about forgiveness.
He's talking about, like, forgiveness is one of the things that he talks about a lot.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, and about managing your mind and stoicism.
It's very interesting, man.
Yeah, I listened to an audio version of it and the song and I felt like such a pussy.
This guy's writing this from this incredible position of strength thousands of years ago and his advice to people was to learn how to be more charitable and to be nicer and kinder to each other and to forgive people.
stavros halkias
That's a radical stance for a leader of a fucking empire.
joe rogan
He was trying to legitimately be a better person, seemed like, and lead by example.
But then he had this son that was a monster.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that's how it happens.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
stavros halkias
That's always how it happens.
joe rogan
His son is a fucking evil monster.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I haven't gotten into too much Roman shit yet.
I'm still in the Greek shit.
joe rogan
Dude, all of it is...
Go piss, my brother.
unidentified
Go piss.
stavros halkias
I've been holding it.
joe rogan
I'm having a great time.
stavros halkias
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
I don't want it to end.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
All right, we'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.
- Comedians that don't get good at podcasts is 'cause they're not really listening to you. - They're waiting for their turn.
- Yeah, they're waiting for their turn, and that doesn't, you know, that doesn't work.
That fuckin', when comedians do podcasts where they don't actually listen to what the other person's saying. - Oh yeah.
It's normal for us though.
You're always on.
You're trying to say something.
So sometimes you can only hold one thought in your head and you can't hold the thought in the head that that person has because you've got something to say.
stavros halkias
Because you've got something in the back of your head.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tony Hinchcliffe is the fucking best ever.
Have you done Kill Tony?
Oh my god, you've got to do Kill Tony.
When's Kill Tony?
Do you know what it is?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's Mondays.
He does it Mondays.
But when he, off the cuff, that motherfucker is so sharp.
That's how his mind works.
So his mind is like, you could be in the middle of something really important and he's gotta go with a zinger.
He's got some ridiculous pun to stick into there.
But it's like, this job is the greatest job of all time.
You just get to talk shit.
stavros halkias
It's a great racket.
So I stopped doing my other podcast and I was like, fuck, I don't really want to do podcasts.
And then it was like six months and I was on the road and I was doing all this shit.
And also you get to talk shit, but you just get to connect with fans.
You want to be there once or twice a week.
I mean, you're there every day, but it's a cool way to connect to people.
So that's why I'm excited to fucking get my other shit popping right now.
joe rogan
It's a cool way to talk to people too.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think people do that much talking to people like we do.
stavros halkias
No, that's true.
joe rogan
I think it's important for yourself.
It's important for how you understand how people, like everybody has a different style of communication and everybody has a different life story and everybody has different things they do for a living.
Everybody has a different approach.
And I think I'm just gathering data all the time.
I'm so much more aware of things now than I ever was when I first started doing this.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I think that's true.
And I think also it's like it recharges you too, right?
Because it's like, especially post-pandemic shit where it was like going out and actually getting to fucking talk to somebody.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, gather data.
Also, it's like you're in a place in your life where it's like...
It took me forever not to have every motivation in my life be getting pussy.
So it's like if every conversation wasn't leading to getting pussy one way or the other, other than being with your best friends and just kicking it.
And it's nice to mature a little bit and be like, you know, I do like it.
I just want to read about fucking...
Did the Trojan War actually happen?
I want to read about fucking, you know, this is what I want to do.
I want to talk to somebody about this thing.
I don't care.
I don't need, my needs have evolved.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is it's stimulating, but it's on an urge.
See, sex is stimulating, but it's an urge.
So sex is a biological urge, so you get horny.
unidentified
When guys get horny, we get horny.
joe rogan
And you don't get intellectually horny, but it is stimulating.
So you have to trick yourself into engaging in it.
And then once you engage in it, you go, oh, this is fascinating.
That's how I am with documentaries and books, and I have to get engaged with it.
And then once I get engaged with it, I'm like, oh, I really do enjoy this.
stavros halkias
No, that's true.
It almost feels like a rollercoaster where you have to just kind of push yourself to engage.
And then once you do, it's like fucking bombs away.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's like logically you know there's a lot of things that you like to do, but you don't engage in doing them for whatever reason, right?
But then the urges are food.
You have an urge to eat.
You get hungry.
You get horny.
You get tired.
You want to go to sleep.
stavros halkias
Oh, that's a good point.
joe rogan
You got to take a piss.
stavros halkias
I never thought of that.
joe rogan
There's all these urges.
But you don't have an urge for intellectual curiosity or even an urge to be creative.
It's just like you know it's good to sit down and write because that's where the jokes come from.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
But you don't have an urge like you have an urge to eat.
stavros halkias
Right.
And that's why it feels so great when sometimes it does strike you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
And you're like, whoa, this does feel natural, biological almost.
joe rogan
But you're never going to beat the fuck urge.
stavros halkias
No, never.
joe rogan
Doesn't have a chance.
The fuck urge.
unidentified
Sells cars and watches and houses.
stavros halkias
Oh, dude, fully.
It's like, I want to be in a relationship for a couple different reasons.
I think, you know, I'm 33. It's about time.
I took it really seriously.
I haven't been in that many.
But it's also like from a...
As you grow up, you're like, I want to find someone I like.
I want to invest in this relationship in a deeper way.
But I also want to feel secure in that part of my life so that I can expand in every other shit that I love doing.
joe rogan
That bodybuilder is cracking her knuckles.
Listen to this right now.
stavros halkias
I forgot about her.
unidentified
Stabby, baby.
stavros halkias
I'm your woman!
joe rogan
She's ready to go, son.
stavros halkias
She's out there.
joe rogan
She's out there.
I 100% can guarantee she's out there.
stavros halkias
It's her.
It's fucking...
Weirdly, not ancient, but modern Greek women have...
Teachers teaching Greek have gotten into my algorithm.
It's like the algorithm knows you before you know yourself.
And it's like...
joe rogan
What about a little woman who can kick your ass?
stavros halkias
That's cool, too.
I'm so in.
That's the thing.
I'm...
I just want the connection, but there's plenty of things that excite me.
You know, obviously the classic big ol' titties.
Classic.
joe rogan
It's never gonna go away.
stavros halkias
The curly hair big titties guy has been a classic.
joe rogan
It's a classic.
There's a reason why girls get them done, to make them bigger.
stavros halkias
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
That's how dumb we are, though.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
We can't have anything fake.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They could literally...
No one cares if you have fake boobs.
stavros halkias
Oh, dude, I would love...
Dude, I... I've thought about this where it's like, what would be the equivalent to plastic surgery?
I would get penis implants if they were real, if they were the way titties look.
I'd get it tomorrow.
joe rogan
The thing is, a guy couldn't do that because a woman wouldn't like it.
Like, guys don't seem to care.
We're dumber.
We don't seem to care if their boobs are fake.
But if we have fake hair, they'll throw up.
stavros halkias
Right.
Right, true.
Fake hair is a tough one.
That's why I'm looking like this.
joe rogan
But fake hair is nothing compared to a fake dick.
stavros halkias
Sure.
joe rogan
You can't have a fake dick.
stavros halkias
But what I'm saying is if the technology was there, I'm first in line.
joe rogan
The thing would be pills.
stavros halkias
Pills to grow your cock?
joe rogan
Yeah, I used to have a bit about the day they invent a big dick pill.
stavros halkias
I know that because it's like you wouldn't have to, there would have to be no advertising.
joe rogan
30 seconds before the first guy died of an overdose.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
No one's just going to take one.
They're like, how many give me a stroke?
I'm going to take one less than give me a stroke.
And I had a whole bit about how dicks would become so big that guys would have to push them around in shopping carts and women would evolve to have these giant flying squirrel pussy people and the guys would chase them up to the top of cliffs and they would leap to safety.
stavros halkias
It was the dumbest bit ever.
I love it.
That's when you rode high as hell.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's obviously, like, if guys had a pill that made their dick big, we'd have preposterous dicks.
We'd be too stupid.
It would be like those poor ladies that have those triple H tits.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
They're so big.
They don't understand.
Like, that's too big, honey.
stavros halkias
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Like, what'd you do?
stavros halkias
I know.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
stavros halkias
That's a little much.
joe rogan
There's a fucking thing that I sent to Tom Segura.
Do you know these dudes that stick oil in their muscles?
stavros halkias
Oh, those guys are weird as fuck.
The Popeye-looking motherfuckers?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
There's one...
stavros halkias
Is that one Russian guy?
joe rogan
There's a bunch of them, but this one I believe is from Brazil.
And I sent it to Tommy.
Here it is.
I'm going to send it to you, Jamie.
It's so crazy.
You look at it and you're like, what in the fuck am I looking at?
stavros halkias
Who is this for?
joe rogan
Well, this guy, it's just...
I mean, it's so nuts, but it's one of those things.
It's like people get like body dysmorphia.
They don't know what they're doing.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guys would definitely do that with dicks.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
Look at what this guy's done with this oil stuff in his body.
It's so weird.
It's just...
stavros halkias
Oh, I've seen that.
That sucks.
joe rogan
What happened?
stavros halkias
Where'd he go?
Where'd that motherfucker go?
joe rogan
He went away.
What happened?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it a trick?
stavros halkias
That's brutal, dude.
joe rogan
What happened there?
stavros halkias
Post from Gym Fail Nation.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
I'm on the page, look, and I can't go anywhere.
It disappeared.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
Do you think it's been restricted?
stavros halkias
There he is.
jamie vernon
I'll leave it for a second.
stavros halkias
Yeah, it goes away.
joe rogan
Yeah, that looks horrible.
Go to their videos.
Go to the top of their post.
See if you can find it in there.
Maybe it's been removed.
And maybe you can only get it the very first seconds of it or something.
stavros halkias
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
That shit sucks, though.
But this guy, if you saw it for that brief image, this guy has done something where all of his muscles look like balloons, like right there.
jamie vernon
That's not even letting me do that.
joe rogan
Wow, that's so crazy.
Well, take a screenshot.
stavros halkias
He might be taking off.
joe rogan
Take a screenshot.
jamie vernon
It's fast.
Hold on.
stavros halkias
We're pushing Jamie to his limit.
To his technical limit.
joe rogan
Jamie's a wizard, bro.
Get that screenshot going.
stavros halkias
Here he is.
joe rogan
Bam, screenshot.
stavros halkias
Screenshot.
unidentified
I got it.
stavros halkias
I mean, those look like titties.
Those look like...
joe rogan
Well, it looks insane.
It's insane.
And his biceps are insane, too.
They don't even look like biceps.
unidentified
The fucking traps are the worst part.
stavros halkias
The traps are truly horrendous.
joe rogan
All of it looks crazy.
It just doesn't make any sense that you would do that to yourself.
Guys would definitely do that for dicks.
That's my point.
stavros halkias
That's what I'm saying.
I need a functional penis.
I would do that in a second.
unidentified
That guy doesn't.
That guy doesn't.
joe rogan
If he could stuff that stuff in his dick, he probably has tried.
stavros halkias
Probably put a little bit in there.
Oh, there's guys who have tried.
joe rogan
He's going to make it ribbed for your pleasure.
stavros halkias
Nah, dude.
They'll do whatever the fuck you want.
Yeah, there's definitely bumps on that guy's dick.
One way or another.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's going to spiral it around.
stavros halkias
A pig dick?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, no, like with the bumps.
stavros halkias
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
With some sort of a pleasure device.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
joe rogan
If you could get a bigger dick, like, that's, isn't it fascinating that we can put satellites into orbit?
Here it is.
We got it.
jamie vernon
For some reason.
joe rogan
Oh, it was safari only.
Apple was trying to suppress it.
unidentified
Where are his nipples?
joe rogan
They're underneath.
stavros halkias
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Yeah, he's stretched them down.
stavros halkias
No, this sucks!
joe rogan
Or maybe he cut them off because he didn't like the aesthetic.
stavros halkias
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Oh, there's his nipples.
His nipples are way below the tit.
They're not even where they're supposed to be.
stavros halkias
He's got the tummy tuck stomach, too?
He looks brutal.
joe rogan
Look what he's doing to his legs, too.
He's doing it to his legs.
stavros halkias
He's so much closer to a fuckable woman than a man.
joe rogan
He's also probably days from death.
stavros halkias
Yeah, he's done, for sure.
joe rogan
If you're doing that to your body, your body's filled with this invasive agent that's just making you swell up.
stavros halkias
So unnatural.
I mean, that's why I love...
The reality is I want to lose a little weight because I want to feel better, but I don't mind.
I like how I look.
That's the other thing.
I feel bad for people that are like...
Have that extreme body dysmorphia?
I think it looks...
I think it's...
Being fat's fun.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
stavros halkias
Everyone likes a jolly fat guy.
I like my hair.
joe rogan
You just want to be healthy.
stavros halkias
I just want to feel better.
I want to be healthy.
That's it.
joe rogan
The problem is those two don't really coincide with each other that well.
But you can make a comfortable medium.
stavros halkias
That's what I'm saying.
That's the thing.
I weigh like 300 pounds now, right?
And it's like, I could lose 60 easy.
Still be pretty fat, but be much healthier than this.
joe rogan
A lot.
Is it bigger here?
Same guy.
stavros halkias
Oh, he looks horrible.
joe rogan
He does look bigger.
Oh my god.
He's like, oh my god, he pumped it up further.
stavros halkias
He's got the Super Saiyan fucking editing.
joe rogan
That is so insane.
That guy's going to be dead, man.
stavros halkias
I mean, literally his tits kind of turn me on.
He's going to be dead.
They're so much closer to women's breasts than they are fucking jacked fucking pecs.
joe rogan
What's crazy is he probably is really weak because of all that stuff, too.
stavros halkias
Oh, for sure, yeah.
joe rogan
It probably inhibits his ability to move things around, so he's probably weak as fuck while being gigantic.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and who's attracted to that?
Who's into that guy?
joe rogan
Well, he's clearly insane.
stavros halkias
Yeah, he's a pretty crazy guy.
joe rogan
That's an insane person.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Oh, no!
joe rogan
Oh, no!
What are you doing to your arms, bro?
stavros halkias
Dude, poke that thing.
The veins are so weird.
joe rogan
Fuck, that's so crazy that he's done that to his arms.
jamie vernon
That's like what this whole page is.
unidentified
I found it.
joe rogan
Oh, no!
This whole page of these people.
stavros halkias
This sucks.
joe rogan
Look at that dude's boobies because he's got the guy on mastica.
Scroll up a little.
jamie vernon
Sorry.
joe rogan
That's okay.
Look at this guy.
unidentified
Ah!
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's so insane.
What is the page called?
jamie vernon
Body Stronger Brazil.
unidentified
Brazil!
Oh, Jesus Christ.
stavros halkias
That guy's got titties.
joe rogan
That dude grew breasts.
stavros halkias
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
Nipple pump, it says.
joe rogan
Nipple pump?
Is that what it is?
He used a nipple pump?
I don't know.
jamie vernon
That's what it says on top.
unidentified
Oh, no.
stavros halkias
Dude.
joe rogan
There's no way.
That's probably gnomastica.
jamie vernon
That's what girls are doing.
stavros halkias
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no, no.
stavros halkias
That looks like a chicken's fucking drumstick.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That's so crazy.
unidentified
Don't do that.
stavros halkias
That's tough.
joe rogan
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
stavros halkias
I'm listening.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
That's the closest one.
joe rogan
Take it down to eight.
unidentified
Yeah.
stavros halkias
You got a little overzealous at the end, but...
joe rogan
You got crazy.
You need someone who's a designer who's going to go, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Trust me.
joe rogan
We're good.
Yeah.
If you can make it...
That's what's the problem with plastic surgery, right?
If you think you could change it, and then you do change it, then you want to change it a little more, better.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't like this about me.
I don't like that.
stavros halkias
You go down the rabbit hole, just like anything else.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't like this weird piece of skin.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't like the way my nose meets my eyebrows.
Like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And then you get to be that cat lady.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
Remember that cat lady?
stavros halkias
She looked like, what's her name, Beauty and the Beast?
Exactly.
Looked like fucking Hellboy in Beauty and the Beast.
joe rogan
It's a perfect example of someone who went down that rabbit hole and went crazy.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
No, it's definitely, you can definitely go, that's why I think it's, I think, you know, you just gotta let yourself age, you just gotta fucking, that's another thing, there is like a humanity to someone who ages with grace and doesn't give a fuck.
joe rogan
There definitely is.
I mean, we admire that.
stavros halkias
Absolutely.
joe rogan
We admire someone who doesn't turn themselves into a monster.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
But it's just like, I guess, when you just start fixing this, and then fix that, and I get a little filler.
stavros halkias
Where does it end?
joe rogan
These are puffy.
Can we do something about this?
unidentified
Maybe I'm a cheek stick out more, then I won't have these wrinkles.
stavros halkias
But I also, I'm lucky because, like, just big fat guy that everybody likes.
One of the fucking best guys to be.
You know what I mean?
You don't have to look good.
I never have to worry about that.
I just have to stay alive long enough to enjoy it.
joe rogan
You just gotta stay funny.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
You don't want to be the bitter fat guy.
That's a tough guy to be.
joe rogan
But the funny fat guy, it's a great gig.
stavros halkias
Great gig.
One of the best in the fucking universe.
I'm a good time.
I'm a great hang.
When I'm in party mode, there is...
I mean, we're eating like animals.
I know the best places.
I get fucked up all the time.
But now I'm like, let me fucking survive the road.
Let me stay sober.
joe rogan
So you're staying sober and you're trying to exercise.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I'm working out.
My little brother, actually, he started a gym, Odyssey Strength, in Maryland.
He...
We did some video series.
Over the summer, we did a workout series together.
He's a great trainer.
He really is.
My brother, Nick.
And he's got a little workout plan for me where it's like, you know, if I miss a day because I'm traveling or whatever, it's a full-body workout.
He's got me on a thing.
And I haven't maintained the weight loss, but I keep working out.
I'm getting stronger.
I've stayed sober.
And it's like little baby steps because it's like...
You have to realize if this is what you want, if stand-up and touring is what you want, this is just what my life's going to be like, so I have to figure out how to get healthy within it.
At one point I was fantasizing about, I'm going to take a year off, and I'm just going to fucking do everything right.
And that would be great.
I would really enjoy that.
Because I lost a lot of weight during the pandemic because all I had to do was focus, and I really liked it.
But then life fucking happens.
And it's like, if you want to be on the road, it's hard.
There's obstacles.
And I don't have...
My fucking willpower is not great.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can develop that.
You really can.
stavros halkias
And that's what I'm trying to do.
joe rogan
It seems like you're doing it.
stavros halkias
So I'm trying, step by step.
Next tour, I'm going to try doing some meal...
Meal prep?
Meal delivery stuff to the hotel and just like...
joe rogan
That's a great move.
stavros halkias
That's the next move.
So step by step.
joe rogan
That's a really good move.
stavros halkias
He's been great.
It's really nice to have a fucking health professional.
joe rogan
As a brother.
stavros halkias
That's amazing.
And I feel like a dumbass for not reaching out.
He was like, why didn't you hit me up on the road?
Because when we went back, when I went back the summer after, I was in great shape for me after the pandemic, and then I toured for the whole year.
And dude, it was like, when I went back, I was like, let's go, bro.
Let's get jacked.
He was like, you're not even touching weights.
I was fucking opening bands up.
I was doing like fucking...
joe rogan
Oh, he's very smart then.
That's good.
stavros halkias
No, he's great.
Nick is fucking...
Nico Halkis.
Check him out.
Check out Odyssey Strength.
joe rogan
Yeah, a friend of mine decided to start working out.
Went to this trainer.
Got three hernias.
stavros halkias
That's what would have happened.
joe rogan
I'm like, what happened?
And he's like, he had me doing way too much, way too hard.
And he's an older guy.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
Now he's kind of fucked.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude, my brother had me doing the kind of workouts an old woman does when she breaks her hip.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's very smart of him.
Well, he loves you.
stavros halkias
That's awesome.
No, he's the man.
joe rogan
You follow Action Bronson?
stavros halkias
I fucking love Action Bronson.
joe rogan
My man.
Action Bronson's a shit.
I worked out with Action Bronson when he was here.
When he was in town to do my podcast, we went and worked out at the Onnit gym.
That dude gets after it.
We did a kettlebell workout under John Wolf, and he fucking gets after it every day, that guy does.
And he was so much bigger than you.
He was so big and so unhealthy, and he had a kid, and he's like, I gotta fix my life.
stavros halkias
No, I get that.
Honestly, I love that little story.
And I do think, as much as I don't think I can take a whole year off, I am really looking...
Even this winter, I'm taking four weeks off, and I'm just going just all health before the tour starts.
And that'll be fun, because, yeah, Aksha Bronson just fucking...
He was...
Just dedicated.
joe rogan
Dedicated.
stavros halkias
That's awesome.
That's awesome to see.
joe rogan
Still is.
He's a fucking everyday guy.
It's amazing.
stavros halkias
That's sick.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing.
stavros halkias
No, I want big arms, little titties.
That's my goal, dude.
joe rogan
What is he doing?
Pro wrestling now?
stavros halkias
He's wrestling now, yeah.
joe rogan
He's jacked now, dude.
stavros halkias
He's awesome.
joe rogan
He used to be a big guy, now he's a big jack guy.
stavros halkias
He did...
Sam Morel, me and Sam, he had a show.
Sam was the host of the show on MSG. He's the man.
joe rogan
He's just checking, body checking people, knocking them to the ground.
Boom.
Oh, look at this.
This is so ridiculous.
stavros halkias
Nah, he's the man.
He did a lot for the plus-size community.
joe rogan
Well, he showed you there's a way out.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can become healthy.
He's so much healthier.
stavros halkias
No, him and Ethan Supli.
Ethan's a fucking man.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Ethan's a man, too.
He's the guy that I told him, I go, if I saw you today, I'd be like, that's the guy I avoided in jujitsu class.
I love that guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck outta here, you big gorilla.
He's so big.
But he started out mad.
He broke his stitches.
He got skin removed, lost the weight, and then regained it to the point where he had to get more done.
But he's honest about it all, and now he looks fucking amazing.
stavros halkias
No, he's the man.
He's just such a cool dude.
joe rogan
He's just a really interesting guy, too.
Interesting guy to talk to.
stavros halkias
And look at his fucking career.
I know.
He's worked with every cool director.
joe rogan
He's been around forever.
stavros halkias
And so many fucking cool...
From childhood shit to Scorsese movies.
He's the fucking man.
joe rogan
Whenever a person can become super healthy in front of everybody like that, That's a giant, it's a huge, like, force of energy for people.
Look how big he is now.
He's fucking jacked.
stavros halkias
He's jacked as shit.
joe rogan
And look how, like, overweight he was on the left, and look who he looks like now.
I mean, for people that are, like, out there that don't have hope, and they feel like they fucked their life up impossibly, you see that guy and you go, oh, he did it in front of everybody.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He did it in front of the whole world.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and it wasn't easy either.
Like, that shit's fucking tough.
joe rogan
And he fucking slipped a few times.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and that's human.
That's the other thing.
That's the other thing is that, like, yeah, shit happens, dude.
And especially when your biggest thing is food.
Like, for me, I can do a lot of drugs.
I can fucking stop doing them.
I'm pretty lucky in that where I don't really get addicted.
It's food.
Food gets me...
It is the drug.
I've stayed sober on this tour, and I've been healthier, but I still...
My eating is what slips, and that's what...
So that's why I was like, dude, sobriety will help.
It'll keep the guardrails so you don't go crazy.
When I get high, it's like, forget it.
We're ordering fucking six entrees just to have a little taste of everything.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, after shows especially, right?
You feel like you deserve it.
stavros halkias
There's nothing better.
Truly, like, heaven is the way I would like to do the road, and you don't get unhealthy.
Like, if you get more jacked according to how...
if you eat more, that's heaven.
It's like, I'm after a show, I'm eating 18 wings, and people are like, you should slow down.
It's like, I need the six-pack.
I gotta get the 24. I'm trying to get jacked.
joe rogan
Imagine if that was what got you jacked.
If your body was like a furnace.
stavros halkias
I'd be Ronnie Coleman, bro.
joe rogan
The more food you throw in there, the hotter it gets.
Imagine if it's all about how much food you ate.
stavros halkias
I would be the fucking most jacked man of all time.
joe rogan
We would run out of food.
We would start eating each other.
stavros halkias
If that was the case.
People would resort to catabolism.
We'd get rid of the crocodiles.
We'd be getting crocodile barbecue for sure.
Yeah, for sure.
But yeah, no, there's nothing better than, like, after a show.
joe rogan
Oh my god, food after shows, especially after you smoked a joint, and you go to a place that has good food, like...
stavros halkias
Oh, it's the fucking best.
joe rogan
While you're eating, it's the most amazing food ever.
stavros halkias
And you're with your friends.
joe rogan
Yes, you're having fun.
And the pressure, the show's off, you had a great time.
stavros halkias
That's the hardest part about...
The worst part about comedy is that the day doesn't end.
You have something to worry about up until midnight.
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
Like, you wake up, and you're less stressed than you would be at 7 p.m., but it's like...
Breakfast is the only kind of non-stressful time when you're on the road because the show is so far away.
But you're not done for the day until fucking midnight.
joe rogan
And then if you're eating dinner, you've got to be careful.
How many hours do I have before the show?
Like, okay, I've got to cut down the carbs and no pasta.
Nothing's going to slow me down.
stavros halkias
Totally, totally.
joe rogan
Because it'll slow your brain down.
That's what you don't realize.
You don't think about it.
When you have food digesting in your body, it slows your fucking brain down.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude, and I was just going on stage.
I was like, I could take an edible at 3 p.m.
and have a whole pizza and I'll sleep it off.
I was in Providence.
I did this little thing on YouTube.
It was like when the pleasure stops, because my last tour was the Prince of Pleasure tour, and the last stop was Providence in Philly, and I just brought my buddy Matt Salakuse along.
He's done stuff with Sam.
He directed his rooftop special.
And it was just...
My buddy Eldis, he was fucking...
He was with me.
He produces shit for me now.
And they just had a camera going.
And it just captured like...
Bro, I'm fucking...
I took edibles.
I thought they were 10 milligrams.
It was fucking...
Or I thought they were 5. They were 50s.
And I just have 100 milligrams going.
I'm eating like shit.
We have a fucking breakfast.
And I'm just like...
And the breakfast was supposed to be like a good meal for the day.
I'm like, I'm ordering fucking...
Oh, we'll get a creme brulee French toast for the table.
The fat guy move for the table and just like, I'm crushing seven eighths of it.
You know what I mean?
It's like, wow, it's mine.
You know, that kind of shit.
And I was just fucked.
I was just like, there was a show, the Saturday show, I was like, I'm in a fugue state.
I don't remember what the fuck's going on here because I'm I'm off that.
That next day after edibles is the best feeling, like, I find where you're, like, not as high, but it's still, like, in your system.
joe rogan
You're relaxed.
stavros halkias
You're just relaxed, but you're still, like, you don't want to be doing work.
unidentified
Right.
stavros halkias
You want to be fucking looking up the fucking, you know, crocodile videos.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
stavros halkias
You want to see baboons get their shit rocked.
And I was just like, full of pancakes.
And then we had a full, we're in Providence, so we go to Little Italy.
Full fucking Italian chicken cutlet.
I mean, I was fucked up, dude.
And you know what?
What's funny is, it does slow your brain down, but it's like, it kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier, where I love when a fat athlete You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like John Daly.
stavros halkias
Yeah, it's John Daly because it's like, yeah, you have to have finesse.
You know what I mean?
You can't be a pure power player, so you have to actually be more aware of what you have because you're not firing on all cylinders.
And you can get by on just pure, I don't know, muscle memory, whatever.
And those were actually pretty fun.
That's the irony is like I'm actually pretty good at comedy when I'm that fucked up And when I'm like well you're having fun exactly that is really what it is I mean when if you're not having fun, it's very hard to be funny.
joe rogan
Yeah If you're not having fun, even if you're saying the same thing.
stavros halkias
No, that's a great point.
My favorite kind of comedy is just like...
When you're trying to have a fucking good time.
When it's like, I'm telling you about me.
I'm telling you about personal stories.
I personally am not trying to make a lot of points.
I'm trying to tell you about a time my dick wasn't getting hard.
You know what I mean?
I'm telling you about embarrassing myself sexually.
joe rogan
You're having fun.
stavros halkias
We were talking a little bit about podcasts.
That's what I realized.
A podcast, when you're really doing it right, is just about having fun.
I was going to just stop podcasting and then I was like, fuck it.
joe rogan
It's pretty fun.
No, it's the most fun.
It's the next level of what started with the Opie and Anthony show.
What started with the Opie and Anthony show was if they had comics on, they would hang.
And we'd all just talk shit to each other and it was so much fun.
And you always look forward to it.
It was the only morning show that I would legitimately always look forward to.
stavros halkias
Oh yeah, because that's in the era where every morning show...
Thank God I came up and pop.
Like, I've only done two morning shows as a headliner.
Oh, you got lucky.
joe rogan
But some of them were a lot of fun, man.
There was a bunch that I used to really enjoy doing.
Guys in Philly and Arizona and Seattle.
There was a bunch that were really fun.
But, you know, some of them were dry.
And some of them, the DJ was kind of douchey.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
And some of them, they were really cool.
stavros halkias
Because they're these little kings of their own little domain.
joe rogan
Exactly.
stavros halkias
And they hate when someone actually is funnier than them.
joe rogan
It's also like you're the most renegade of all art forms.
You just went to bed an hour ago.
You smell like tequila.
You've got glitter on your face for some reason.
And you're sitting there talking shit and you're entertaining and you're having fun.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and some guys bring the people in, like Bert Kreischer, he'll get everybody drunk with him.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and he'll, like, bring the party to those things.
He's really good at...
He was really, always really...
I don't think he does morning shows anymore.
He probably doesn't have to.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he might do them if he's doing it for a friend.
unidentified
If he wants to.
Yeah.
stavros halkias
He's also, like, the kind of lunatic that likes doing shows.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He would do it for a friend, guys that he knows from back in the day.
stavros halkias
But the point is like- After he's been drunk all night.
I remember I was in Tampa and I was opening for Bobby and he brought me in to do morning radio with him.
We were at Sidesplitters and Bert was at the Improv or whatever.
And Bert was getting fucked up and he was about to run a fucking marathon that day or something.
And I was like, what?
Me and Bobby had driven through the night, so we only had like a few hours of sleep.
And I was like, I feel like a bus hit me.
I'm, you know, however much younger than this guy.
And he's just getting fucked up at 6 a.m.
He's gonna go do two shows and run a marathon.
joe rogan
Well, as much as Bert drinks, he's always consistently worked out.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I think that makes a big difference.
Because, like, when we did this Sober October fitness challenge a few years ago, he put in real fucking numbers every day.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because we ought to wear a chest strap to read how much exercise you've done.
He put in real numbers every day.
So the dude, even though he would hammer the booze, he also works out.
And that's his strategy.
His strategy is to keep his body healthy so he can drink.
unidentified
That makes sense.
stavros halkias
Respect.
I respect, man.
unidentified
I mean, obviously it's working.
joe rogan
How do you not love the guy?
He's one of the best people ever.
stavros halkias
He's a great hang.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's such a character.
stavros halkias
But no, you're right.
It is just like a...
A pod is fun.
That's what I realized.
And the last pod I did was super fun.
And this one that I'm doing now, I just started at Stavi's World.
I had Sam Morel, actually.
He was my first guest.
So it's like fun.
It's like I'm doing...
joe rogan
Why did you stop...
stavros halkias
The last one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Dude, I was a little burned out.
It was at the end of that tour, like we were talking about, where I was just like, I gained a lot of weight.
I had overworked myself, because coming out of the pandemic, I tried to make up for a whole year off by just never getting off the road.
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
And it's just like, it was little shit.
It's like, you know, I was like, I just want to focus on stand-up, and I just want to like...
And I think at a certain point, we had kind of creatively gotten a little stale, and we were all just like, I don't know, kind of like I was feeling like maybe there's another thing.
I want to pour all my energy into stand-up.
And it was just like, dude, I kind of just stopped everything.
I took a little break, and I put the special out, and I thought I was just going to take it easy.
I thought it was like, alright, I'm just gonna regroup, I'll take some time off, start building the next special slowly, and then I was just like, fucking YouTube and TikTok and all this shit, as much as we shit on it, like, that shit jumped my career up, where I was like, fuck, I can't really take a break now, because, like, I'm selling tickets like I'd never have sold before, and it was just kind of the thing where I was planning on just taking a lot of time off.
joe rogan
How long are we gonna take it off?
For how long?
stavros halkias
I was just gonna focus on stand-up and try and get healthier, kind of like that year that I was dreaming about.
And it was like the summer that I spent with my brother, I thought it was gonna be three months.
It ended up being like four weeks.
joe rogan
Well, here's one thing you can do.
You can hold yourself accountable by talking about it publicly.
stavros halkias
That's true.
joe rogan
On your podcast.
stavros halkias
That's true.
joe rogan
And when you do something like that, it's one of the things that I find whenever we do these Sober October things.
We tell everybody what we have to do every day.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that is true.
joe rogan
And then we're held accountable.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then like you say, you have a goal and you work towards that goal and people get to see it.
And then they can become invested in it and they root for you.
stavros halkias
That's true.
joe rogan
And so I feel like for podcasts, for comics in this day and age, I feel like it's just as important as social media, if not more important, to have a podcast.
It's like even if you only like talk about shit that you think about in the news, like something wacky goes down.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Kanye West says he loves Hitler.
Right, right, right.
stavros halkias
Hilarious to see somebody make Alex Jones uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Yeah, some wild shit goes down in the world that you didn't expect, and you could talk about it.
And, you know, just do it on a regular basis, and people enjoy it.
And it doesn't have to be long, and it doesn't have to have guests.
In fact, Bill Burr, one of my favorite podcasts ever, no guest.
Tim Dillon, one of my favorite ever.
Very rarely does he have a guest on.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most of the time it's just him and his producer.
And you develop a style of talking shit that is very entertaining.
For sure.
And it helps your writing.
I know it helps Tim's, and Bill says it helps his too, because you're constantly ranting about stuff.
And every now and then you can take those rants, extract them, And especially Dylan, because Dylan is essentially doing a one-audience member show.
stavros halkias
It's insane, yeah, yeah.
It's wild.
joe rogan
And it's massively improved his stand-up, but also improved the amount of people that are coming to see him because of the podcast.
It's like all those things work in synergy, and everybody wants to get on a show, right?
Get on a show, it's great.
Get a paycheck.
You could do that yourself.
stavros halkias
I think that's over.
No, I really think like...
YouTube and podcasts are so much...
I have friends who are on TV and it does not really change your life.
joe rogan
Well, you become a part of a system, right?
And you have to work on this thing that the system is creating.
And your other stuff is all on the side now.
stavros halkias
And it's not as lucrative as it used to be.
It used to be it made sense because it's like, yeah, you get that fucking check.
You're good.
joe rogan
Well, it used to be if you became the person who the sitcom was named after, like Roseanne or Seinfeld, that's the fucking top of the mountain.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Then you're set for life.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I mean, I think what I like doing on this one, so it's Stabby's World, it came out of like, I was doing an advice show over the pandemic because I wanted, I didn't feel like I was near an audience.
So I did it on Twitch, so it was live, and people would call in and I wouldn't screen, I wouldn't screen the calls, I had a producer and And so I would just respond to whatever questions people were asking off the top of my head.
And it was like I got to kind of experience a live show.
I got to kind of do crowd work.
And there's, you know, 600 people watching on Twitch.
And it felt kind of nice.
And then I realized I kind of liked it.
Like I liked the...
Like, advice part of it.
I liked kind of, you know, sharing my perspective with people.
And then I would interview my friends.
You know, comedians are all fucking...
They have some kind of mental illness, some kind of hang-up, something.
So it was always fun to interview a friend for, like, a half hour, talk about their shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
stavros halkias
And then get into it with the...
And then just roast, you know, voicemails or whatever.
And it's a fun little, like, lovingly shit on your friend...
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Like, lovingly shit on your callers and, like...
And then also try and give some good advice.
And so I'm excited for it.
And it's cool.
I got my best friend who I grew up with to be the producer.
He has no idea how to do anything.
unidentified
Perfect.
stavros halkias
So it's like he's fucking shit up.
But he's learning really good.
But it's fun.
It's really fun.
And the last show was super great too.
We had a blast.
And we made some hilarious stuff.
But it's also like you want to be doing the next thing.
And you want to always kind of be evolving a little bit.
So, I'm looking forward to it.
joe rogan
Well, you got a good attitude, dude.
It's smart.
stavros halkias
Thank you, bro.
joe rogan
And I'm glad you're doing it again.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think everybody should...
I mean, if you want to.
It doesn't mean that you don't have to.
There's a lot of great comics that don't have one.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Business-wise, also, it's just like...
joe rogan
It's smart.
stavros halkias
It's just, you got to do it.
So, Stavi's World.
Go subscribe, everybody.
joe rogan
And it's on everything?
stavros halkias
It's on everything.
It's on YouTube.
It's on Spotify, whatever.
Sam Marill was our first guest.
Our second guest, the R U Garbage guys.
I don't know if you know them.
They're very funny.
joe rogan
Nice.
stavros halkias
They're really great.
And then a lot of great people, you know, Soda, Joe List.
joe rogan
Is that Ryan Wong, R U Garbage?
stavros halkias
No, no, no.
joe rogan
His is...
stavros halkias
I forget what Ryan's...
Are You Garbage?
is Foley and Kevin Ryan.
Philly guys, very funny guys.
joe rogan
There's a lot of good ones out there now.
It's a fun time for comedy because comics, there's a gang of us out there.
Where we communicate with each other.
We do each other's podcasts.
We do shows together.
It's a rare time.
stavros halkias
Yeah, it's fun.
joe rogan
It's an interesting time.
stavros halkias
It almost feels like everyone is kind of reinventing a network.
You know what I mean?
It just feels like we're kind of reinventing everything.
Like you were saying, you were just getting blasted on a fucking MacBook 12 years ago.
And like, look at this shit.
We're in a compound.
There's fucking bidets in your bathroom.
I didn't have to shit.
I just put my ass on it to just be clean.
I was like, it's fucking moved.
Even YouTube, I kind of feel like I just kind of started throwing my shit up there just to see what would happen to prep for the special coming out.
Now there's a legit audience and now I get to do fun stuff like make a workout series with my brother.
That's not strictly stand-up, but it's funny.
joe rogan
You do anything you want, man.
stavros halkias
It's pretty fun.
joe rogan
If you're into fucking baseball cards, it doesn't matter.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Do whatever the fuck you want.
That's the thing about the world that we're living in now.
There's so much more freedom of expression, even though people are trying to clamp down on it and everyone's talking about censorship.
And there's a lot of that, too.
But that just seems to be a part of the natural human experience.
Like, when people get into positions of power, they want to silence opposing voices.
Those voices bother them.
It doesn't matter if it's Republicans or Democrats.
People constantly do it.
And they always want to blame the left is always censoring and then the right is always...
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But it seems like it's a fucking normal human thing to do.
And the internet is like one of the rare times ever where like a break in the dam.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
And just...
stavros halkias
I do think that's true where it's like you can like...
You can fucking find your...
Even if someone is trying to, quote, cancel you or whatever.
It's like, look at Shane or look at whatever.
It's like, you can figure it out.
A lot of people, like, you know, have a career despite those attempts or whatever.
And it's like, I've said some fucked up shit as a joke.
I get, you know, maybe some people try and cancel me.
But it's like, I'm trying to build my own audience and I'm trying to just, like...
joe rogan
You're also doing comedy live, right?
And if you're talking shit, you take chances.
And sometimes you don't even realize what you're saying while you're saying it.
You're trying to be funny.
Patrice had a great line about that.
It's like a joke that bombs and a joke that kills all comes from the same place.
The person who's just trying to be funny.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
joe rogan
It's the intention of it.
The intention is never to hurt someone.
stavros halkias
Yeah, and you do have to, like, you know, you have to...
What did Chris Rock say?
There's been racist versions of all his jokes or something like that when he was figuring them out.
joe rogan
Well, Chris, that one bit that became one of his best bits ever, that I love black people but I hate N-words.
stavros halkias
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
That bit is a fantastic bit.
And apparently, like, he struggled with that bit for a long time before he got it to work.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Because sometimes when you have a complicated idea in your head...
stavros halkias
Of course.
joe rogan
...you're like, how do I get this fucking thing to work?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And you can almost bail on it, and then it becomes, like, your closing bit.
stavros halkias
Louie said something where he had, like, the joke about...
It's, like, molesting children.
Where it's, like, people would, like, survive if they didn't...
...or more children would survive if, like, you know, if we didn't...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're so mean to child molesters, which is, like...
Even saying that, I'm like, god damn.
But it would have been interesting to see where the bit went, I suppose.
But yeah, I do think there's a freedom to do whatever you want.
joe rogan
But didn't that bit make it on a special?
stavros halkias
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
I think that bit might have made it on a special.
stavros halkias
I just remember talking about it back in the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he might have actually figured out a way to make that work.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he could do that.
That's what he likes to do, too.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I do think that, like, you should have that leeway, but I also think, like, sometimes...
It is, like...
I do think, like, you should be able to say whatever you want, but it's also, like, using nuclear weapons, where it's like, yeah, Chris Rock can do it, but not every fucking open-miker can do it.
Of course.
You know what I mean?
It's like, that's what it is about.
joe rogan
But how do they learn how to do it?
They learn how to do it by stumbling.
They learn how to do it by trying.
stavros halkias
But with easier stuff, right?
joe rogan
But they don't know that while they're doing it.
stavros halkias
It's like, you wouldn't spar fucking, you know, you wouldn't spar with BJ Penn to learn.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
But here's the thing, you might have to.
If you were in a jiu-jitsu class.
The point is, if you're a comic, but if you're a comic and you're on stage, you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
You don't have a coach.
You don't have a trainer.
No one's showing you how to do it.
And if you're a dumb kid and you're 21 years old and you have this complicated idea in your head, you think you're going to figure out how to make funny in front of these people, but you fall flat on your face, you should still try it.
That's how you learn.
You learn by fucking up.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I would say keep it to, like, but you do have this epidemic of, like, young kids who think they're ready for the big shit, and it's like, you're not, bro.
joe rogan
You didn't feel like that when you were young?
You talked about how you did.
stavros halkias
I guess that's true, but I guess I didn't drop any n-bombs, I'll put it there.
You know what I mean?
I did, but I was talking about wiping my own ass and, you know, how little my...
Still the same ideas.
joe rogan
But everybody's delusional about their ability.
stavros halkias
Yes, for sure.
joe rogan
And for young guys coming up, you have all this testosterone and fucking zero clue on how the world works yet, and you start making a living doing comedy, or you start doing open mics and getting laughs, and you think you're profound.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's a lot of people that pretend to be profound.
unidentified
And then you watch back.
joe rogan
Pretending to be profound on stage.
stavros halkias
One of the worst things of all time.
joe rogan
One of the most painful things.
stavros halkias
I just, in general, don't like making a point.
I like telling a funny story.
It's more fun.
joe rogan
It's more fun to not make a point.
And a lot of people love that.
We talked about it the other day about Bill Hicks.
Bill Hicks was such a revolutionary comedian because all he had was points.
Everything was intense points.
But it fucked a lot of people up because a lot of young dorks imitated him.
stavros halkias
Fully.
joe rogan
And they tried to include...
I definitely probably did.
I definitely had some...
stavros halkias
Pontification.
unidentified
Yeah, I definitely had some nonsense that I fucking tried.
joe rogan
Because when I first saw him, I was 21. I was super impressionable.
I was an open-miker.
There was a bunch of those guys that you'd see and you'd found yourself sounding like them.
Absolutely.
Patrice would call them babies.
He's like, Patrice's got so many babies all around town.
stavros halkias
Oh, Patrice, for generations.
joe rogan
Generations had babies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Robin Harris had a lot of babies.
There was a lot of people that imitated Robin Harris when he was at the top in L.A. Back in the 90s.
There's a bunch of those guys that are super influential, very charismatic people, and everybody just, Brody Stevens!
People would talk like Brody!
stavros halkias
A lot of people were doing Kinane in Brooklyn when I was coming up.
unidentified
There's a lot of Kinanes going on.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that did Stanhope.
stavros halkias
Oh, without question.
joe rogan
A lot of people did Stanhope.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
I mean, there was times where I was just like, I couldn't...
There were some comedians that I didn't want to watch because I didn't want to, like...
Sean Patton's a great example of somebody.
He's got a special out.
Everybody should go see it on Peacock.
But I was just like, I loved Sean and I wanted to get how free he is on stage.
But I was just like, at a certain point, I was like, I don't think I can watch him because I'll just steal his swag.
You know what I mean?
You steal his fun, his energy.
And that's another thing with stand-up.
Energy is part of it.
Vibe is part of it.
And so, I don't know.
I try and just do my own.
joe rogan
Vibe is definitely part of it.
There's a lot What's going on up there, man?
I always say it's kind of like a mass hypnosis.
It's like everybody, like if a great comic's on stage, if you're on stage and you're killing, I'm letting you think for me.
stavros halkias
Right, true.
joe rogan
I'm just sitting here like this and you're telling me these stories and all I'm doing is like letting you think for me.
You're telling me, I'm listening to what you're saying, I'm getting the picture, I'm just going along on this ride.
And when someone can do that to a large group of people, it's very similar to a kind of hypnosis.
It's a laughter hypnosis.
stavros halkias
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It's like, and what's beautiful about it too is that like, Every show is different.
That's what I love.
A couple things that you were talking about earlier, where it's like, you are basically self-taught.
You can take a class, but it's not really...
joe rogan
No one teaches it like you.
Kurt Mesker's not going to teach a class.
Of course.
Mark Norman's not going to teach a class.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
That's a great point.
joe rogan
The people that teach classes aren't usually people that did so good at it in the first place.
stavros halkias
Exactly.
It's like they teach you to take the mic out of the stand and put the mic away.
There is no solution other than get on stage as much as possible.
joe rogan
You can get some advice from your peers.
That's helped me a lot.
Advice from my peers has helped me a lot.
But no one can tell you how to do it because the way you do it is different than the way Ari does it.
It's different than the way Shane does it.
You've got to kind of do it with your vibe.
stavros halkias
And the other thing I really love is that fucking every show is different.
You'll never be in that room.
Those people will never be in the same room ever again.
And that shit rocks.
I love that.
joe rogan
And if people have their phones in those yonder bags, man, they're in the moment.
They're really there.
stavros halkias
Comedy Works, great club.
They do that.
joe rogan
It's so good to do, man.
Every club should do it.
It changes the vibe of the show.
stavros halkias
You're right.
People are way more present.
joe rogan
Oh, they're way more present.
They're not distracted at all by their phones.
And the comic's more free because you can fuck around on stage more.
stavros halkias
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
The whole thing is better.
We're living in a strange time for comedy, but it's a really good time.
There's so many good comics coming up.
stavros halkias
I think it's the best, yeah.
joe rogan
I love it.
I think it's like a golden era for up-and-coming talent.
stavros halkias
And I don't even think it's a big deal.
Maybe there's a philosophical difference.
I don't even think it's a big deal to be a little restrained in what...
Because I think you can become funny around, like, societal constraints a little bit.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's a challenge, for sure.
stavros halkias
It's a challenge.
joe rogan
Jerry Seinfeld used to say that about being clean.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
That it is a challenge to make a really funny joke clean.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Whereas, like, a lot of people, especially back then, they felt like swearing was somehow or another...
unidentified
Cheap.
joe rogan
Like, cheap.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a cop-out.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is interesting.
I subscribe to that philosophy because that's how I grew up.
I started out in those clubs where I thought I was a loser because I like Dice Clay and Sam Kinnison.
I like Richard Pryor.
I like these guys who swore all the time.
stavros halkias
Yeah, Richard Pryor was the man, of course.
joe rogan
But there's a value to learning how to construct a joke without swears.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that when you fully express yourself where you normally would with swears, it's better because the joke stands by itself.
We watched Kinnison do his first Letterman the other day.
We did a Protect Our Parks.
And when we were watching it, we were like, look how good this guy is, and it's no swears.
He's doing Letterman.
stavros halkias
I mean, that's an energy guy.
Where you're like, fuck, dude, this rules.
joe rogan
He was from another planet.
Like, no, dude, that guy, when he first came around, he changed comedy.
He was the first guy that I ever saw do comedy where I went like...
Maybe I could do comedy.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I thought comedy was like these guys sort of like rolled up sleeves, which is where I dressed like that when I first started.
Had a blazer on and shit, a funny t-shirt.
I was such a dork.
stavros halkias
Oh, fuck yeah.
Little Twink Joe in the blazer.
joe rogan
But I was trying to imitate what a comedian was.
stavros halkias
Of course.
joe rogan
I saw Kinnison and it made me think like, okay, maybe there's Other ways to do this.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And then I saw Dennis Leary, and I saw Hicks, and I saw a lot of these guys.
I was like, okay, comedy is a lot of things.
It's like you get a confused idea what comedy is.
And then luckily I started out in Boston, and all of those guys, like I talked about Lenny Clark and Don Gavin, they were all Coke snorting.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Big, giant guys who got in barroom brawls.
I'm like, oh, this is comedy, too.
Like, whoa.
stavros halkias
Well, Boston had a very...
I mean, because I was definitely a little fucking comedy nerd, so it's like, you know, it was one of the places that early had a very defined local scene with a lot of really good talent, where it's like...
And you see it.
You see who comes out of there from that era.
joe rogan
To this day, I've seen people kill harder in Boston at these local clubs, these local guys like Steve Sweeney, than I have any...
No one's killed harder.
It's like they've killed as hard as you can kill.
stavros halkias
Right, right.
They maxed it out.
joe rogan
It doesn't get hard.
You get just as good.
And I've seen guys do just as good.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
But they killed so hard.
And Kevin Meaney, he's another guy from Boston.
I saw him watch at Castle Rising Star with my friend from high school.
We went and sat there.
And I couldn't believe how funny it was.
It didn't make sense to me.
I didn't understand.
He would do this thing about big pants people.
That's not right!
unidentified
We're big pants people!
joe rogan
And he was so...
So comfortable and so in the groove.
It was so funny.
It was perplexing.
I remember me and my friend Diane, we left there and we were like, how is he so funny?
How is someone so funny?
It's like for an hour and 15 minutes, he just destroyed.
stavros halkias
Yeah, it's incredible.
It's nice because you get to just chase that.
You're like, I got to get that funny.
joe rogan
You just gotta just get better every time.
Just keep trying to get better, and then you're on a path, and then you'll look back.
Like, Dom Herrera said it to me once.
He goes, the beautiful thing about comedy is you can just keep getting better if you keep working on it.
It's not like a baseball player where your knees go.
Like, you can keep doing it.
You can keep getting better.
He's like, I'm so happy.
And, you know, Dom was like in his late 60s when he was telling me this.
He's like, I'm so happy I'm a comic.
stavros halkias
I mean, Attell, you see that with Attell, because it's like, he's the fucking man.
joe rogan
Better than ever.
stavros halkias
He's better than ever.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
stavros halkias
And I do think sometimes it can be hard as you advance to continue to stay better because he has the discipline to...
He treats it like...
Dude, I opened for him and if he missed a little thing, you could tell he fucking hated it.
If he wasn't doing a hundred out of a hundred, it was like a fucking problem.
But that's the other thing.
It's like he thinks he messed something up.
In his mind, he didn't.
It was fucking great.
He's the fucking man.
And you just see him work on his shit day after day.
The biggest thrill for me when I moved to New York was being on a show with fucking Dave Attell.
When I'm at the stand and it's the late show and he's coming in and you just see this guy, he's working on something, he's killing harder, and he has the discipline to not let being Dave Attell go to his head.
joe rogan
Well, the opposite.
It goes the opposite.
He fucking hates himself because of that.
unidentified
He's his own harshest critic, but that's why he's so good.
joe rogan
That's why he's so good, because he's so harsh on himself and his delivery and his material.
Gillis is like that, too.
Gillis is like, I don't know, I want to do this George Washington bit.
I mean, shut the fuck up.
It's one of the best bits ever.
What are you talking about?
But it's like, that's why he's so good, because he's fucking hard on himself.
The guys that are like we were when we were younger, when you get delusional, you think you headline, you have 15 minutes.
That's not what you're supposed to be.
You're supposed to be the opposite.
You're supposed to be like, oh, the more you learn, the more terrified you get.
stavros halkias
For sure.
And that's how you become a fucking, you know, an all-time great when you have that kind of work ethic.
But, you know, that's like Giannis Adetokounmpo where he's like, he works hard as fuck and he's the MVP. But I don't know, man.
I could just be a little, you know, I don't want to work that hard.
Like, I just want to have a good time also.
joe rogan
You don't have to work that hard.
The thing is, it's like doing what you're doing.
stavros halkias
I want to be like Shaq.
joe rogan
Do what you do, but keep doing it.
It's not that you have to work that hard.
Just do it to your level of enjoyment.
Like, there's a balancing act.
If you become so obsessed that you spend all your time doing it, and then you become this miserable person who's really successful, that's not a success.
Because you're unhappy.
So there's like a balance.
Like, how much effort do you want to put in versus how much do you want to get out of it?
And you've got to figure out what that is to keep you normal.
For me, I just do a bunch of other shit, too.
That's how I keep from going nuts.
I do other things that I enjoy.
That's why podcasts help me.
Because I do this, too.
And then I do comedy, too.
And then I do the UFC too.
So in having these different things, I keep my mind occupied in different ways.
stavros halkias
So it doesn't get burnt out.
Have you always been doing five different things?
Is that always how you were?
joe rogan
Usually I just do one thing.
But too crazy.
So I realized as I got older, I need other things.
I can't have just one thing.
I'm too crazy.
It's like directing my crazy in manageable doses.
Because one thing, like video games, I used to get addicted to Quake.
And I'd play eight hours a day, dude.
unidentified
Hell yeah, dude.
joe rogan
I wouldn't stop.
I was addicted.
It was a real problem.
stavros halkias
That's fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
It was a real problem.
And I get like that with martial arts.
I get like that with a lot of things.
unidentified
Interesting.
joe rogan
So for me, I have to have other stuff.
stavros halkias
Okay, that makes sense.
joe rogan
So if I have, like, I could get addicted like that to comedy, and that's great.
But the problem is like, mentally, when I get addicted to something, I get like super obsessed.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And it becomes the only thing I want to concentrate on.
So I'm thinking about it when I'm doing other stuff and I'm talking to people.
I'm really thinking about comedy or I'm really thinking about martial arts, whatever the fuck the thing is at the time.
So for me, the balancing act is having multiple interests.
stavros halkias
Interesting, yeah.
joe rogan
That's just for me, though.
stavros halkias
No, that makes sense.
joe rogan
Everybody's got their own weird way of managing.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I definitely get locked into one thing at a time and I have a hard time switching gears.
So we were launching the podcast and I hadn't done stand-up in a couple weeks and now I'm about to do...
We were just trying to get everything figured out and recording some pods, because I also want to take January off, so you've got to bank some.
And so I was just in that mode, and now it's like...
It does take me a while, I feel like, to shift gears, to get into stand-up mode.
That's why the tour next year...
So it starts in February, and then we're going to go until May.
Almost the only thing I'm focusing on is stand-up, because I want to record a special at the end of that.
And then it's like, okay...
That's over.
Now I can kind of like shift gears and maybe, you know, do a little, you know, write a script, act.
I mean, I want to act.
I want to do that shit too.
But it's like, I definitely, I'm definitely in that mode where I'm like, I'm just addicted to something right now.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
You know, that's awesome too.
You're stating it publicly that it works.
So then people will be on your side.
They'll be with you while you're doing this.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is fun.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fun.
It's fun to put that out there.
And it also, like, it holds you accountable.
It's very difficult to do things, just decide, oh, I'm going to do this every day.
Because, like, if you don't, like, have a fucking list of shit that you have to get done, it's so easy to blow stuff off.
stavros halkias
And also, it's like, when your fucking brain is all fucked, I don't know if you feel like you have ADD or whatever, but it's like, I definitely feel, like, I just, every time I look up an article that's like, you know, do you have, it's like, every part of it, it's like, I have that, I have Let's look it up.
joe rogan
How do you know if you have ADD? What are the symptoms of ADD, Jamie?
stavros halkias
Because my boy, Ben O'Brien, he's the fucking man.
joe rogan
I know a Ben O'Brien.
I bet they're different guys.
stavros halkias
Probably a different guy.
Pretty common.
joe rogan
A hunter in Montana.
stavros halkias
Yeah, he's not the producer of my online content.
My creative producer.
No, he's the man.
Ben is so fucking funny.
But Ben's got like...
He has no ADD. Like, every artist, I feel like every, like, so many comedians have that shit, and Ben just doesn't.
And he was telling me, like, you definitely have this.
I was like, nah.
joe rogan
Well, let's find out what it is.
stavros halkias
I'm just a little scattered.
joe rogan
What are the symptoms of ADD, young Jamie?
jamie vernon
Let's go show them for children and teenagers, I guess.
joe rogan
Well, let's do it for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a teenager at heart.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's see what we got here.
Having a short attention span and being easily distracted.
Check.
Making careless mistakes, for example, in schoolwork.
Check.
Appearing forgetful or losing things.
Check.
Being unable to stick to tasks that are tedious or time-consuming.
stavros halkias
Without question.
joe rogan
Triple check.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Appearing to be unable to listen to or carry out instructions.
Nah, I can do that pretty good.
Constantly changing activity or task.
Check.
Having difficulty organizing tasks.
Check.
stavros halkias
Organizing is the motherfucker.
joe rogan
Hyperactive and impulsiveness.
stavros halkias
And then executive dysfunction, whatever that shit is.
joe rogan
Being unable to sit still, especially in calm or quiet surroundings.
I don't have that.
Constantly fidgeting.
I kind of have that when I'm sitting here doing podcasting, but that's just because I'm trying to be aware of my posture and shit.
stavros halkias
Oh, nice.
Yeah, I like these chairs.
They're good.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're really good.
These are the only ones that I've ever found that are both comfortable and they keep me from having a sore back.
Because like office chairs, you kind of sit in a fucked up way and like the middle of my back would be tight at the end of a show.
Excessive talking, for sure I have that.
Clearly.
Excessive physical movement.
100% I have that.
I'm very excessive.
stavros halkias
So you're a child with ADD, bro.
joe rogan
Being unable to wait their turn.
No, I'm not that bad at that.
I've gotten better at that.
stavros halkias
But that's what we were talking about earlier.
joe rogan
Acting without thinking.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Interrupting conversations.
That's me.
Little or no sense of danger.
I'm not so good at that.
I kind of am good at it, but kind of also not.
Yeah.
I mean, I'd say I'm medium good.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I have everything.
stavros halkias
You got it all.
joe rogan
Except by two or three things.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
stavros halkias
But I just feel like I can't.
So I should be mad.
I need the list.
Yeah, you probably should.
joe rogan
Which should I be on?
Forgetfulness.
Okay.
Carelessness or lack of attention to detail.
Now this is absolutely me.
Continuing starting new tech.
What was the one?
Forgetfulness?
Which one do you...
stavros halkias
Were you doing that as a bit?
You're like, what was that one?
unidentified
Forgetfulness?
joe rogan
Oh, is there more of them?
This is for adults.
Oh, this one's for adults.
Okay, so carelessness and lack of attention to detail.
Not necessarily.
I pay attention to...
Things that I'm concentrating on.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm very detail-oriented with actually things I'm trying to do well.
stavros halkias
But I think that's the flip side.
Like, I was listening to Brian Koppelman's podcast.
He was talking about how ADD can be like a fucking superpower because sometimes you're so locked in.
And he was talking about how when he was writing his first script, it was like...
He wanted to do it so bad, and sometimes I feel that way too, where I'm in the fucking zone.
When I really want to get something done, where I'm writing a script I really care about, or I'm working on a joke that I really want to get done, and I feel like when I'm in that zone, I'm like, I'm the fucking smartest man alive.
I feel like I'm on limitless.
joe rogan
Here's the question.
Is this really a disease, or is it a problem only because human beings are trying to interface with a complex modern society that doesn't match their genetics?
stavros halkias
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
There's got to be some benefit to being locked into some things and being distracted by shit you don't give a fuck about.
If you were a hunter, that would help you, because you would concentrate only on the thing you're trying to do.
And you would ignore a bunch of other shit that's probably important, but in your mind, not as interesting.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
But I also think...
I also think some people just don't have that, though, where they can just pay attention to the surroundings.
Right, some people are just scattered.
Yeah, just being scattered.
And ultimately, it's like, at the end of the day, it's like, what am I going to do now?
I'm fucking 33. I'm not like, you know...
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's helping you with comedy, is my point.
stavros halkias
Probably, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%, dude.
Listen, that's the thing.
stavros halkias
Well, that's why I think a lot of people who end up in comedy or certain artistic fields or something do have that.
joe rogan
But that's the thing.
Is that really a disease, then?
Because that's got a great benefit to it.
It just seems like a manageable asset.
stavros halkias
Well, it's like, you know, Boban Marjanovic has gigantism or whatever, but it is a disease, but it still makes him a good center.
joe rogan
Andre the Giant.
stavros halkias
You know what I mean?
Like, so it is, but it also could help you out.
You know what I mean?
Where it's like...
joe rogan
Well, that's a different thing, right?
Because I think ADD is like super fucking common.
stavros halkias
Yeah, probably.
joe rogan
But is it real?
stavros halkias
It's more of a personality, probably.
joe rogan
But is there any debate as to whether or not ADD is actually a disease?
I mean, are there people out there that say, no, this is like a natural function of the way some people's brains work?
And some people's brains are not designed to focus on tasks they're not interested in.
But if they focus on something they are interested in, they can get really good at it.
stavros halkias
But sometimes you don't even do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's a fucking spectrum of dummies and intelligent people that we have to acknowledge.
stavros halkias
That's a good point.
joe rogan
We don't have to set standards for every fucking human being regardless of how low their IQ is.
I'm just saying, for average human beings, isn't it possible that that's an asset?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is there a debate on that?
stavros halkias
There probably is.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's see what they say.
stavros halkias
The ADHD community?
joe rogan
Are some people thinking that ADD is not actually a disease?
stavros halkias
I'm sure plenty.
joe rogan
I wonder who's right.
stavros halkias
I mean, but sometimes I'll take a fucking Adderall or whatever, just if I have some shit to do, and I'm like, oh, this rocks.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's amphetamines.
Of course it rocks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a reason why it's so goddamn addictive.
That's hilarious.
It's addictive.
unidentified
It rocks.
joe rogan
It's not addictive because it sucks.
stavros halkias
You're right.
That's a good point.
joe rogan
All that stuff that's addictive is awesome.
Except maybe gambling.
But if you win, it's awesome.
stavros halkias
But when you win, that's a fucking nice one.
joe rogan
All of it's awesome.
There's a reason why people get addicted to things.
They're addicted to things that give them that crazy dopamine rush.
Whatever the fuck it is.
stavros halkias
I never got into gambling because I think I got out of it at a young age.
Because we gambled in Greektown.
I grew up in Baltimore.
I grew up in Greektown.
I think two of my friends growing up just happened to be like compulsive gamblers.
We had a bookie when we were like 14. Oh my god.
And he would like call in football games.
joe rogan
You ever talk to Diaz about it?
stavros halkias
No, no.
joe rogan
I'm like, Diaz was a bookie.
stavros halkias
Whoa, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Diaz used to answer phones, used to place calls.
stavros halkias
Yeah, he looks like he's a bookie.
unidentified
Yeah, he knew bookies.
joe rogan
He worked in offices.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's the real deal.
stavros halkias
No, so I got out of that.
joe rogan
Good for you, man, because that's a scary one.
I've seen people lose their lives to gambling.
It's wild to see.
stavros halkias
That's a tough one.
joe rogan
It's wild to see people who can't stop going to the casino.
It's wild to see people who can't stop going betting on cards or horses or...
When I moved to New York in like 92, 91, 92, whatever it was, I started hanging out at this pool hall.
And this pool hall was filled with degenerate gamblers.
I was never around those kind of people when I was younger.
And all of a sudden, as like a 23-year-old, I'm hanging around with these Fucking animals that just all would lie to each other and they were all stealing money and they were all gambling.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A bunch of guys had just gotten out of jail.
It was the wildest place to hang out.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I got to be exposed to this group.
It was mostly like bachelor men who didn't have kids, who didn't fit in with regular society.
And they were at this place where they all just hung out together with other men.
They smoked cigarettes and talked shit and gambled.
The place was open until 2 o'clock in the morning.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a wild experience for me as like a pretty fucking naive 23-year-old.
unidentified
Sure.
stavros halkias
Because you're just coming out of like, you know, fucking college or whatever.
joe rogan
Not even for me.
I was martial arts.
stavros halkias
I was fighting.
unidentified
Oh shit.
stavros halkias
Holy fuck.
joe rogan
So I went from that to starting to do stand-up.
You were fighting that young?
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Damn.
joe rogan
To starting to do stand-up when I was 21. And then all of a sudden I was around these fucking people.
stavros halkias
That's a world of discipline.
joe rogan
Yes.
stavros halkias
And then you go to like fucking degenerates.
joe rogan
Just full degenerates.
I couldn't believe...
I had never been around people that were addicted to gambling.
It was wild.
There were so many of them.
stavros halkias
Yeah, they're betting on coin flips and shit.
joe rogan
They were always losing and winning and losing and winning and fucking, dang, I almost fucking had him, that cocksucker.
And then I missed a fucking nine ball.
That table's not level.
All these arguments and shit.
unidentified
The cheating.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It was crazy.
But these people were renegades.
They were like this part of society that I didn't know existed.
People that never felt like they fit in anywhere.
And they found this one thing and they hung out there together.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Yeah, I could definitely see that.
I mean, the Greek town, there's like a bunch of like these, the coffee houses that like old Greek guys just hang out and they're gambling.
joe rogan
Drink coffee, talk shit, throw dice.
stavros halkias
Yeah, just avoid their families.
You know what I mean?
Just fucking hang out.
joe rogan
Well, there was thousands of those places in New York City at the turn of the century.
At the turn of the century in New York City, I think there was close to a thousand pool halls.
stavros halkias
Damn.
joe rogan
That was where men, bachelor men used to go.
And this is like after the war.
stavros halkias
The way you're describing it sounds 100% like they're sucking each other off.
unidentified
Probably were!
stavros halkias
These bachelor men.
unidentified
The Romans did it.
stavros halkias
To clear your mind before doing some philosophy.
joe rogan
Pool was invented.
The word pool refers to money.
Pool your money together.
Billiards is the game.
The game is billiards or pocket billiards.
You know, the original game was three cushion billiards, and then they developed pocket billiards, mostly in America.
And when you watch them play in pool, they're playing it for money.
So all those guys back in the day, they were just these gambling addicts that lived in this time where they felt like they were outcasts of society, and they were all over New York City.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It was a wild culture to get exposed to as a young comic.
stavros halkias
Did you ever lose money?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I was terrible.
unidentified
I wasn't good.
joe rogan
I became pretty good, but I became what's called a B player.
Most good players can beat me.
stavros halkias
So what was the compulsion to be going there?
joe rogan
Just the game was so exciting.
Interesting.
And to play for money when you're down on a ball, and if you make it, you win, and if you miss it, you lose.
stavros halkias
Damn.
joe rogan
And that feeling of the nerves and the excitement and when you make it and you win.
And tournaments.
We played a lot of tournaments.
stavros halkias
That's fun.
joe rogan
Those are really fun because you get to match up.
You could get a tournament and all of a sudden you're matched up with a world champion.
Because they would play in, like, regular tournaments.
stavros halkias
Just to keep the fucking knives sharp.
joe rogan
They always play.
Like, you can play.
And so they would make them handicap.
Like, they would have to give you extra balls on the wire or extra games on the wire, rather, or extra balls in the game.
But you would be able to play sometimes, like, straight up with a guy like Efren Reyes, the greatest pool player of all time.
There's no time where you ever could play pick-up basketball against Michael Jordan.
But if you're a pool player, you could enter into, like, a local professional tournament and you could play Buddy Hall or Steve Miserak.
stavros halkias
Damn.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Johnny Archer.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
There was this place called Hard Times that I used to go to when I first moved to LA. And they had a Sunday tournament.
And the Sunday tournament was all the top players in the world.
These guys from the Philippines, like Francisco Bustamante, and Dennis Arcolo.
stavros halkias
These names all sound fake, but I love it.
unidentified
Oh, man.
stavros halkias
That is Bustamante.
joe rogan
The Filipinos, man.
There's a Filipino invasion where they came over here and just fucked everybody up.
stavros halkias
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Filipinos are some of the greatest pool players of all time.
stavros halkias
Good for them.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
The GIs brought pool to the Philippines in the 1950s.
And then the Filipinos mastered that shit.
stavros halkias
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Also because they're playing outside, so they have all this moisture on the table, and they have fucked up tables that are out of bounds.
So they just developed the best strokes.
That's sick.
They know how to really stroke through the ball, best position play.
stavros halkias
That's great.
joe rogan
Dude.
stavros halkias
Take that, GIs.
joe rogan
They came over here and changed the game.
Efren Reyes, he came over here under a fake name.
He came over here under the name Cesar Morales.
And started robbing everybody.
Came over from the Philippines, unknown, with a fake name.
stavros halkias
That rocks, dude.
joe rogan
And just was robbing everybody.
stavros halkias
Just making a fortune, just hustling people.
joe rogan
People just couldn't believe how good he was.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
This dude, they call him the magician.
stavros halkias
And how long did you...
Do you still play pool?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I have two tables here.
I'll show you afterwards.
I have two tables here.
I play all the time.
stavros halkias
How'd you get started?
Was it just...
joe rogan
It just got started because I walked into that pool hall that one day.
stavros halkias
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I had played a couple times with my friends, and I had this ex-girlfriend that liked to play pool.
And we played a couple of times, but we were terrible.
We didn't know what we were doing.
And then I walked in this pool hall and I watched guys play for money.
And I was like, this is wild.
People are cheering and hollering and trying to gamble more.
It was a crazy environment of guys getting to do what they really enjoyed doing.
You know, just having fun, talking shit with each other, not hindered by jobs that make you dress a certain way, or, you know, offices that make you talk a certain way.
These are just wild folk who didn't fit in.
stavros halkias
Yeah, blowing some steam.
joe rogan
But unfortunately, a lot of them were gambling after.
stavros halkias
A lot of those guys had their shins broken.
A lot of them were drug addicts.
joe rogan
I was exposed to the world of guys who use heroin and coke.
Everybody did something.
Everybody was doing pills.
Everybody was doing something.
They were all doing drugs.
stavros halkias
Yeah, The Color of Money is my only...
That's all I know about.
joe rogan
There's moments in that movie where it's kind of maybe a little bit accurate.
stavros halkias
It's just a great movie, but sometimes they don't nail the verisimilitude.
joe rogan
Well, they nailed it with, do you ever see when Tom Cruise, pull up the scene, Tom Cruise plays Grady Stevens in The Color of Money.
stavros halkias
Oh, hell yeah.
I don't remember that one off the top of my head.
joe rogan
This is why this is important.
The guy he's playing is really the best player in the world at the time.
The guy he's playing is Keith McCready.
They call him the Earthquake.
stavros halkias
Fuck yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Keith McCready.
When he was young, dude, he made people quit pool.
Guys would just lose $50,000, $100,000 to him.
He was an assassin.
stavros halkias
Goddamn.
joe rogan
He was an assassin out of California.
And he played out of Hard Times Billiards.
And this motherfucker was like legendary through the whole country for gambling.
And the way he played, he played with a sidearm stroke because he learned how to play pool when he was so small he couldn't reach the table.
So he couldn't dangle his cue in a normal way.
He had to do his sidearm.
stavros halkias
And he just kept there going his whole life.
joe rogan
And he kept it that way his whole career.
See if you can find that scene.
Tom Cruise plays Grady Stevens.
So he plays this character in this movie who's the number one pool player in the world.
What's interesting about it is he legitimately was.
So when you watch him shoot the ball and move the ball around, that's what an elite, top of the food chain, assassin for money pool player looks like.
stavros halkias
That's sick.
joe rogan
Because that's what Keith McCready was.
He was an assassin for money.
Like, guys would bet, like, shit tons of money.
And then he'd be talking shit to you while he's screwing his cue together.
And the stuff that he said in the movie was stuff that he really would say to guys.
stavros halkias
Do those guys get stiffed and shit?
Because if you're a good pool player, you're not necessarily a guy who can kick someone's ass.
unidentified
They get robbed.
joe rogan
People show up with guns.
It happens all the time.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So that's Keith McCready.
That's the earthquake.
So this is him.
Give me some volume on this.
So when you watch him play...
That's how a really truly elite pool player looks.
Like the difference between the control, but it's also the control that he has of the cue ball.
It's like he can put that ball within a couple of inches anywhere he wants all over the table.
He was a wizard.
And so when you're watching him do this in this movie, it's 100% like it would be if he was really playing you.
stavros halkias
Just fucking shitting on him.
joe rogan
Just talking shit.
stavros halkias
You're getting your ass fucked.
There's nothing you can do about it.
joe rogan
The idea is that Tom Cruise has to play badly because he's playing Grady Stevens, so he has to lose so that the odds on him will be very low when he goes to a tournament because the word will get out that Grady robbed him.
stavros halkias
Right.
joe rogan
So he's going to dump this money to Grady, which is all shit that people really did.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, but it's killing him.
It's killing him inside.
joe rogan
Yeah, because Grady's talking too much shit.
And so, eventually, Tom Cruise decides that he's going to talk shit back.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I mean, what I love about...
joe rogan
Okay, this is a different...
This is when they're at the big tournament.
stavros halkias
What I love about this movie, too, is, like, I had no idea about all the fucking actual pool shit, but it's, like, it's such an interesting movie from just a fucking film perspective, because it's, like...
joe rogan
Scorsese.
stavros halkias
Scorsese, when he's just, like, fuck it, I'll be a hired gun.
Like, that wasn't his passion project.
He was just, like, I'm gonna make a fucking sick movie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
And then you have fucking Tom...
You have Tom Cruise, you have fucking, um...
Fuck.
Paul Newman.
joe rogan
Paul Newman.
stavros halkias
And it's like this beautiful, almost like passing of the torch.
joe rogan
Yes.
stavros halkias
I love any time a career, the guys in the movies, it really mirrors the characters.
There's something so fucking awesome and poetic about that.
joe rogan
Right, at the same point in their lives.
stavros halkias
Paul Newman is the fucking old piece of ass fucking star.
And he's literally teaching, as Tom Cruise is about to ascend...
It's this fuck and then you know Paul Newman would go on to have the whole is the later You know part where he plays great, you know great roles the fucking verdict rules I don't remember those before or after this but just like I love that shit dude and it was like Tom and just to see those guys just Against each other for real as actors in the same way that their characters are going and it's like all of that directed by Scorsese And it was all written by Walter Tevis who was the same guy who wrote the Queen's Gambit Oh wow, holy fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, he also wrote The Hustler.
The original Paul Newman, Jackie Cleason.
stavros halkias
Great fucking movie.
joe rogan
He wrote that, and he wrote The Color of Money, and he wrote The Queen's Gambit.
stavros halkias
Yeah, that's sick.
joe rogan
Which is amazing.
stavros halkias
And yeah, it had another thing that I really like, which is like a weird, unofficial sequel thing, where it's like, it is a sequel, but it's like no one except Paul Newman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Like I love when they just extend a story and it's done.
Because like the odds of that working are so fucking low.
joe rogan
Right.
Especially with a star.
You've got to bring in a star like Tom Cruise.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
And they had to teach him how to play pool.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they brought in Mike Siegel to teach him how to play pool.
He's one of the greatest pool players of all time.
And he's also left-handed, the way Tom Cruise is, which really benefited him.
But he taught him how to play pool like, I mean, a version, not as good, of course, as Mike Siegel, but a version of the way Mike plays.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
You can watch Mike stroke, the way Mike moves balls around.
stavros halkias
And what's cool about, like, I guess we didn't know that, or I wasn't lying, but it's like, you didn't know that it wasn't clear about Tom Cruise at the time, where it's like, wow, that's really impressive that he would learn how to play pool, and now the motherfucker's, like, jumping out of fucking jets.
unidentified
I know.
stavros halkias
Like, he's just, he's a fucking lunatic.
unidentified
It's awesome.
joe rogan
Dude, you don't know how hard it is to look like you can play pool.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
He looked like he could play pool.
stavros halkias
For sure.
joe rogan
I mean, it really, you believed it.
stavros halkias
He hit a couple shots in the movie where it's like, that's fucking impressive.
joe rogan
He figured out how to play pool pretty quickly, which is kind of amazing.
stavros halkias
Fascinating guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, truly.
stavros halkias
Truly a fascinating guy.
joe rogan
Believing in Scientology seems to work for him.
I'm not saying it's for everybody, but there's something about the way it worked for him.
stavros halkias
For him, dude.
And just how smart it was to do the Mission Impossible movies.
His career kind of went to the next level in a strange way.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that shot.
stavros halkias
That's brilliant.
joe rogan
Look at that shot.
stavros halkias
He really did that shit.
joe rogan
He really did that shit.
stavros halkias
That's awesome.
joe rogan
You saw it.
You saw it from the beginning to the end.
And he ran the table on certain racks.
What they did is basically they set balls up for him and they let him have fairly simple, what you call, connect the dots out.
But he did it.
stavros halkias
He still did it.
joe rogan
It's not fucking easy to do, man.
That guy flies jets.
He jumps off buildings.
I'm telling you.
Scientology seems to work for him.
stavros halkias
And my favorite one of his is Collateral, too.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I just watched that the other day.
stavros halkias
Dude, it's the fucking best.
joe rogan
It was amazing!
stavros halkias
And it's like, there is a darkness to him that he keeps buttoned up.
joe rogan
Yes.
stavros halkias
And when he gets to play the fucking assassin, the real evil guy, it's like, whoa, this is working.
joe rogan
Or Lestat from Interview with the Vampire.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
stavros halkias
That one's fucking...
Collateral.
Lestat is awesome, but that movie is so campy in certain ways where it's like you see flashes of the villain, but this shit is like he is.
It's Michael Mann who's the fucking best.
joe rogan
He's a fucking hitman.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
And you 100% believe it.
stavros halkias
You believe it.
You fully fucking believe it.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter if that's that dude from The Outsiders.
That is him.
stavros halkias
Dude, it's fucking him.
And just the way he behaves.
I mean...
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker, man.
stavros halkias
Yo, homie, is that my briefcase?
unidentified
And then he's a pew, pew, just putting fucking two pieces, those guys.
joe rogan
Dude, and the way he does it, too, man, that was super smooth.
You have to really practice to be able to draw and get off those shots in close range.
The way he did it looked completely believable.
That didn't look like, you know, there's scenes in a movie where a guy pulls a gun and he shoots the other guy and you're like, okay.
stavros halkias
Sure.
joe rogan
I'll suspend disbelief.
stavros halkias
This was John Wick before John Wick.
Exactly.
I mean, Michael Mann did that shit too with Heat.
It's like, they were fucking, they were shooting machine guns, bro.
joe rogan
You know, Heat was basic.
unidentified
Yes, dude!
joe rogan
Dude, this is the scene right here.
stavros halkias
Fuck.
joe rogan
I love this scene.
unidentified
Is that my briefcase?
Is it your briefcase?
Yeah, it is.
Why, you want a bag?
I bought your wallet.
stavros halkias
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
What else have you got for me?
joe rogan
Bro.
stavros halkias
Jamie Foxx was like...
joe rogan
100% believable.
stavros halkias
It did look like...
He was like, I'm free.
This guy's gonna die, but at least I'll get to just call the cops.
joe rogan
Dude, 100% believable, those movements.
The way he did it, knocked the guy's hand away with the gun while drawing.
One more time.
Bam.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
stavros halkias
God.
joe rogan
He knocks it away, at the same time draws.
Look at how he does this.
This is fucking wild shit, man.
And he's also got his gun on his hip, so it's not even the quickest place to draw from.
And he shoots from the waist.
Boom.
Boom, boom.
All this other guy's drawn.
Boom, to the head.
Come on, son.
stavros halkias
So fucking sick.
unidentified
Tactical.
stavros halkias
Jamie Foxx.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scientology works for him.
stavros halkias
For him, it does.
joe rogan
It seems to work really well for him.
Whatever his belief system is.
stavros halkias
100%.
joe rogan
That guy races bullies.
Motorcycles in his movies?
stavros halkias
No.
joe rogan
He actually does his own stunts?
stavros halkias
They do a great job of certain high-level talent.
They can really take you to the next level.
joe rogan
But they let him ride motorcycles in a movie.
stavros halkias
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
He does stunts with cars and shit.
stavros halkias
He flew the jets.
unidentified
Dude.
stavros halkias
Fucking Top Gun.
joe rogan
This is dangerous shit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And they let him do it.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I would just love to see him, because he's proven that he's a fucking action star, proven that.
A very unlikely action star, but earned it, right?
Look, I love taking, I love the Liam Neeson turn to action, but it's like, that's all gravitas, that's all being a great actor.
unidentified
He's not doing that.
joe rogan
He's not doing that.
stavros halkias
He's earned it in the way that it's like, with practical effects and stunts and shit.
joe rogan
So what is he doing there?
He's jumping a motorcycle off a cliff, and then he's going to parachute?
Is that real?
jamie vernon
I'm fucking mad.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's him.
stavros halkias
What the fuck, dude?
joe rogan
Bro, stop it.
Who's like that?
Who's like that in all of history?
Buster Keaton.
stavros halkias
He's a fucking lunatic.
Truly.
unidentified
Buster Keaton.
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's so interesting.
joe rogan
He's a modern Buster Keaton.
Buster Keaton was a fucking animal.
Special effects were non-existent back then.
stavros halkias
There's no CGI. He's the fucking man for sure.
joe rogan
Buster Keaton risked his life every time he did a movie.
stavros halkias
Every time he did a movie.
That guy fucking rules.
joe rogan
Bro, you watch those old Buster Keaton highlights, you can't even believe that guy really did that.
Look at this.
He jumps from one fucking building to another.
Look at this.
Watch this shit.
unidentified
A full flight of stairs.
joe rogan
And then goes through the railings and catches himself.
Planned it.
stavros halkias
Planned all that.
joe rogan
Bro, he planned that.
stavros halkias
I mean, that's incredible.
joe rogan
He went through those fucking things.
He's like, that'll stop my fall, and then I'll catch myself on the way down.
And he did it.
stavros halkias
I mean, that's what James Bond pretends to do.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
And look at that.
He really did get yanked away by that car.
Like, this is actually happening.
He really did grab that car and get yanked away.
stavros halkias
Just great choreography.
joe rogan
He would grab all these things and just hang on.
stavros halkias
Well, dude, that's the other thing.
And that's why it's so...
joe rogan
Look at this.
stavros halkias
I mean, what is that?
That's awesome.
They didn't fucking string him up or anything with that shit.
joe rogan
How the fuck could he do that?
stavros halkias
No, you're right.
joe rogan
What kind of strength did he have to do that?
stavros halkias
Just to be able to hold on to that thing with one arm.
He was a fucking unit.
joe rogan
I mean, he must have been a super unit.
stavros halkias
Yeah.
He's like an acrobat.
joe rogan
That movement right there, what he had to do, were hang on to the back of that train like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much strength is involved in that?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's insane.
That's like Cirque du Soleil strength.
stavros halkias
I do love watching, like, Old, old-ass movies, because we have gotten so, like, used to, like, you know, CGI and all that shit, and it's helpful for certain things, but it's, like, what you think is possible, you're like, oh, we are fucking lazy.
Or even just, like, even just, like, the, you know, how fast they would, like, build, they would make buildings and shit, and, um, but you just look at Yeah, what does he got going on here?
Yeah, he's just slowly.
joe rogan
He's just riding on the front of a train.
But even then, man, you fall, you die.
And you've got those wooden, stupid shoes on.
Oh my god.
What is going to happen here?
stavros halkias
Oh, that's sick!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
stavros halkias
But, like, you see a movie from the fucking 30s, and you see the, like, the fucking, one of my favorite movies to just throw on sometimes is the old Robin Hood from the 30s.
It's this fucking spectacle, dude, where they just have thousands of fucking extras.
I haven't seen it.
Dude, it's fucking good.
joe rogan
Forever.
Robin Hood from the 30s?
stavros halkias
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's Errol Flynn.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I don't, I mean, I'm sure I saw it when I was a kid.
stavros halkias
But it's just, like, this thing where you're, like, your mind is, like, bro, when they have these giant scenes where it's, like, You know, a king and it's a jousting tournament.
They have like fucking hundreds of people in the stands.
Today that's eight guys and they CGI it.
And you fucking watch it.
I mean the fight scenes or whatever, don't get me wrong, but like the big spectacles of them and like these huge sets and like when it's like...
The thing that really fucking shocked me was the like, I think it was the jousting or maybe the archery competition.
joe rogan
Is this colorized?
stavros halkias
It is colorized, yeah.
joe rogan
So the original was black and white, right?
stavros halkias
I would assume so, but I'm not sure.
38?
Just look at how fucking many...
It's just such a spectacle that you don't fucking get today.
The same thing with fucking...
Fuck, what's the Kurosawa Macbeth?
Throne of Blood?
That shit...
I mean, that's another one where you're like, God damn, dude, they were doing this shit...
And now, filmmaking is so...
Everything's on a green screen, and you're just like...
The artistry is...
That's what I'm saying.
When you're penned in, when you have limitations, you figure out how to fucking really do it, and you come with real...
I mean, they were...
Look at Buster Keaton, dude.
I would rather watch a Buster Keaton highlight reel than whatever the Marvel movie that just came out is.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I'm with you up until we talk about Avatar.
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Yeah, I'm in on Avatar.
joe rogan
Avatar was so good.
I'm like, do your CGI. Do whatever you gotta do.
stavros halkias
But that's a great example, though, because James Cameron, whatever, you know, he is a fucking...
He pushes everything to the limit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
Like, if he's doing CGI, it's gonna take him 15 years, and he's gonna get every ounce of, like, spectacle out of it.
And it's gonna be incredible.
joe rogan
It's gonna be incredible.
stavros halkias
I can't wait for that.
Me and my...
We have my brothers and a couple, like, my closest friends.
Well, not all my...
Anyway, we have, like, a...
joe rogan
What is your relationship with these people?
stavros halkias
Yeah.
Me and four guys I found outside who I call my brothers.
We're bonded in certain ways.
My brothers and like my best friends, it's a rotating cast, right?
But we like to fucking get fucked up on Christmas.
We do like a bros Christmas on top of the family stuff, kind of like the Friendsgiving version of Christmas where we'll just take a psychedelic and watch some out of control, like, you know, Star Wars.
I've never seen the new Star Wars' not on acid or mushrooms.
And dude, I don't have any idea what happens in him.
My boy Babu Frick, I don't remember which one he's in, I was laughing like a fucking lunatic because I was just on acid and just a little fucking cute puppet.
I'm like, like a little fucking kid.
We get fucked up and we just watch fucking, yeah, there's my boy, dude.
joe rogan
See, I'm not even aware of him.
I'm so far behind.
stavros halkias
Imagine being on an eighth of mushrooms.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I can't.
stavros halkias
And this guy pops up in a crowded theater.
You're like, oh, I love him.
He's my favorite.
Anyway, we've done mostly Star Wars.
We watched Tenet one year when it was like the pandemic.
joe rogan
How can you follow that around when you're sober?
stavros halkias
I have no idea what happened, but I was having a great time.
It's a dope movie.
Watching it in my living room because it was the pandemic.
But this year we're doing Avatar fucking Way of the Water.
I can't wait, dude.
joe rogan
I can't wait for that to come out.
stavros halkias
I mean...
joe rogan
James Cameron could say all this crazy shit.
Is this the...
stavros halkias
He's the man.
joe rogan
Is this the trailer?
jamie vernon
It's got something on their YouTube channel like four hours ago.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
It's got some clips.
They're talking in between it.
joe rogan
The CGI, it still looks like the old Avatar.
stavros halkias
I bet you're just going to look fucking sick in the theater.
joe rogan
But, I mean, there's still that uncanny valley.
stavros halkias
Oh, for sure, for sure.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting that they haven't quite passed that yet?
stavros halkias
We'll never pass.
I mean...
joe rogan
I mean, they're close, man.
They're kind of close.
stavros halkias
I don't know.
joe rogan
But it's still...
I mean, the original Avatar was how many years ago?
unidentified
Five?
stavros halkias
Yeah, a long time.
joe rogan
It's a long time ago.
So if you think about it, it's kind of crazy how close it is to the original one in terms of like...
Maybe we're just looking at a grainy copy of it.
stavros halkias
But I also think what he really focused on was the water.
joe rogan
Yeah.
stavros halkias
God, look at this.
And I think compared to other water CGI shit, he crushed it.
He also loves water.
He was deep sea exploring and shit.
joe rogan
No, it's amazing.
I'm just saying I can tell they're not real.
unidentified
Of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
There's a weird thing.
That's a thing that's a debate between special effects guys.
Guys like Rick Baker.
Guys who've done...
They do makeup and special American Werewolf in London versus CGI stuff.
There's something missing always from the CGI stuff.
stavros halkias
I fully agree.
The best...
I mean, the thing is so sick.
All practical.
joe rogan
John Carpenter.
stavros halkias
John Carpenter, the man.
And it's just like...
joe rogan
They did a CGI version.
stavros halkias
Oh, I'm sure it was dog shit.
joe rogan
No, it was pretty good.
stavros halkias
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was pretty good.
stavros halkias
Interesting.
joe rogan
It was good.
It was fun.
But it's still that thing where you know it's...
stavros halkias
There's just something about those practical effects.
jamie vernon
I think they even updated the older movie.
Got updated.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
jamie vernon
It's in 4K, I know that, so they had to run it through the computer once.
stavros halkias
I mean, it was one of the most fucking ridiculous movies I've ever seen in my life.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
stavros halkias
When me and my brother, because we, like, I have gained an appreciation for it over, but I remember going into it, and I was just like, I was a little bit of like a film snob, because I was in college, and I was on like my film snob shit, and it was like, oh, Cameron, like, Terminator, like, he's gonna, this is gonna be, and it's got, remember how hyped it was?
joe rogan
Right.
stavros halkias
And it was super fun in like a let's get fucked up and watch an awesome action movie way, but it was not like fucking, you know, Goodfell.
It wasn't like a piece of cinema.
It wasn't casino.
You know what I mean?
And so me and my brother, dude, the part where we lost it, we were having a good time.
And don't get me wrong, the battle scenes, fucking sick.
But where they fucking fuck with their tails.
unidentified
When they get their fucking little tail cocks linked up, I was like, what the fuck is this?
I was like...
joe rogan
It's kind of hilarious.
stavros halkias
But it is like...
But when you go into it...
joe rogan
Is that any weirder than a dick and a pussy, though?
Dick and a pussy is pretty weird, too.
stavros halkias
Pretty weird, but, you know, I'm more familiar with that, I'll say.
joe rogan
I get it.
unidentified
I get it.
joe rogan
All right, Stavi, let's wrap this bitch up.
stavros halkias
Let's wrap it up, brother.
joe rogan
Tell everybody what's your social media, how they get a hold of you.
stavros halkias
Yeah, Stavi Baby, Stavi Baby 2 on Instagram, Stavi Baby on Twitter.
joe rogan
What happened to Stavi Baby 1?
stavros halkias
It was too erotic, bro.
I was posting too much shit like this.
joe rogan
They nuked your account?
stavros halkias
They nuked the first one years ago.
unidentified
No way!
stavros halkias
You know what, actually?
Ari brought this up.
Years ago.
You guys actually looked through my Instagram way back in the day.
They nuked my shit, but Stavi Baby 2. But a new podcast, Stavi's World.
Please subscribe.
The first one with Sam is really funny.
The second one we got is coming up soon.
unidentified
Is it?
joe rogan
Beautiful.
stavros halkias
It's, yeah.
And we have, I have a tour coming up.
joe rogan
How do you say your last name?
stavros halkias
Halkius.
joe rogan
Halkius.
unidentified
Alright.
stavros halkias
Buy the calendar.
I got a tour coming up.
I'm all over the place.
They're selling really good.
I'm really proud of that shit.
We sold a bunch at the Wilbur.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Sold out.
Sold out.
The Wilbur's the shit.
stavros halkias
Dude, I'm so excited.
joe rogan
Such a good club.
Such a good theater.
stavros halkias
We sold out four of those fuckers.
joe rogan
It's like three comedy clubs stacked on top of each other.
stavros halkias
It's the shit.
Dude, I can't wait.
So we got that.
But yeah, man.
Go listen to the podcast.
Watch the special.
We hit 4 million views.
Follow my little brother.
He's an artist.
We didn't even get to talk to my brother George.
Art by Zodzie on Instagram.
And fucking, you know, go to Odyssey Strength and Conditioning.
joe rogan
Say that again.
Art by what?
stavros halkias
Art by Zodzie.
unidentified
D-Z-O-D-Z-I-E. How do you spell anybody to get that?
stavros halkias
It's tough.
joe rogan
You said that word.
I'm like, you're just going to throw that out there?
stavros halkias
You're right.
A-R-T by D-Z-O-D-Z-I-E. He does this really fun.
I know.
It's like Georgie, but Zodzie.
He does this really fucking wild shit.
I don't know if we can even show it.
He's got like demons.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
He's gonna go to jail.
Put that away.
Balenciaga's gonna use that for the next ad campaign.
stavros halkias
They're all of age.
They're all of age demons.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
It was a lot of fun.
I enjoyed it very much.
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