Joe Rogan and Derek Fitness dissect the Liver King’s steroid-fueled deception—Winstrol, Deca, GH—and his apology video, exposing how fitness influencers exploit health claims for marketing despite risks like organ failure. They contrast Paul Saladino’s natural ancestral diet with Wahlberg’s likely PED use, questioning whether modern adversity (social media, obesity stigma) builds resilience like Goggins’ smoke-jumping or McGregor’s comeback. Rogan warns of VR and Neuralink’s potential to replace real-world discipline with dopamine-driven escapism, risking a future where physical grit fades into digital distraction. [Automatically generated summary]
There's no way you can look like that in your 40s.
He's preposterously jacked.
Do we have a fucking...
Now that we know that he's full of shit, we're talking about the Liver King, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.
A lot of people are like, what are they saying?
This is all inside stuff.
There's a guy, if you don't know who the Liver King is, there's a guy who calls himself the Liver King, and he's this guy who walks around everywhere with no shirt on.
I've seen him in Vegas with no shirt on.
Big bushy beard, super jacked.
And he was telling people that the way he gets that way is by sunning his balls.
He literally lays down with his asshole staring at the sun and eats raw liver and just lifts like a maniac.
I mean, I guess it's possible if you're on that much juice that your ab muscles grow that big too.
Because the kind of stuff he does is, you know, very core specific.
Like he's doing a lot of stuff where he's like cleaning and pressing kettlebells and walking with them over his head and all that stuff really does ignite your core.
And if he's doing that all the time, I would imagine it's possible that those are real abs.
The argument is they don't change in, like, when he sits down or anything, the density of them and, like, the separation is so dramatic that it's got to be something.
I think Mark likes to think that a lot of people, like, again, he doesn't want to put a...
Is it working?
Like a limitation on what's possible.
Like he likes to believe that you could...
And again, because the problem with this too is a lot of people will extrapolate this out and then think everyone with a jacked physique must be doing something, which is problematic because then it sort of creates this narrative around, you know, everyone's lying or anyone with a good physique.
It's impossible to get there without doping your fucking face off kind of thing, which is not the case.
There are certain individuals who...
Like I do believe that physique...
Okay, maybe not that physique, but within striking distance of that, in 0.00001% of individuals, you could get there naturally.
I've stated that this is a complicated as fuck topic, at least to me it is, because before social media I was rich and anonymous and after social media I'm still rich but no longer anonymous and I never expected this kind of exposure in the public eye.
It's been tricky as fuck to navigate.
Well, Clearly, I did it wrong.
And I'm here now to set the record straight.
Yes, I've done steroids.
And yes, I'm on steroids, and I'm already managed by a trained hormone clinician.
Liver King, the public figure, was an experiment to spread the message, to bring awareness to the 4,000 people a day who kill themselves.
The 80,000 people a day that try to kill themselves, our people are hurting at record rates with depression, autoimmune, anxiety, infertility, low ambition in life.
Our young men are hurting the most, feeling lost, weak, and submissive.
While spreading the message, I've been on several podcasts, and when asked if I've ever taken steroids, I've always said, no, I don't touch the stuff, not gonna touch the stuff, never touch the stuff.
I don't know how, like, what kind of thought process went into it.
There was some sort of ROI calculation on if I lie, like, what is the probability I get outed versus how viral can I go if I lie from the get-go versus, like, I just don't know how his team, especially with the information out there, thought that it was going to be a net win where it's probably never going to come out.
Like, I don't even see how bad it would have been if, from the get-go, he was like, I, you know, it's not the healthiest.
Yeah, but, like, I understand the not wanting to talk about the other shit, because he was on Winstrel, Deca, high amounts of GH, etc., which is not ancestrally consistent, but neither is HRT, because it's like, well, if your diet was so dialed...
Like, why is it that you don't have, like, adequate testicular function or adequate hormone output or this or that?
And it's just like, I guess I kind of just, like, spit in the face of his message too much that he couldn't wrap his head around justifying coming out and saying, I'm on HRT, but do this other stuff.
Because, you know, when you're talking about fitness and physiques and you're talking about bodybuilding and just getting jacked, there are so many, like, really educated, really jacked-looking people that are online that tell you how they do it.
And they give you, like, what supplements they're taking, what kind of sets they're doing, what's their recovery like, what's...
All those things, and...
Everyone's giving a very similar message.
Some people have different approaches.
Some people, you know, they're doing, you know, different kinds of exercises, but it's pretty consistent.
And one of the things that Zach talked about in that video that you inserted into your video, which is really good, was that when someone comes along and they have a secret...
Yeah, it's like he needs – I felt – he feels it justified to be a larger-than-life character to represent the polar extreme of ancestral living and even if it's at the detriment of having to take a bunch of drugs to do it.
Yeah, I feel like he puts out pretty goddamn informative content that still represents his, even if he has a polar extreme, potentially narrow view of what the optimal diet is.
It's very much reinforced by information, thought process, not necessarily his...
He shows up shirtless on camera, and I'm sure some of that was inspired by the Liver King to some extent, because he didn't used to do that.
Like, again, it's very much leaning into certain extrapolations he's made that support his hypothesis, I feel like, which I feel like could be a stretch in many scenarios where it's just like, this equals bad, not moderate quantities equals potentially cumulatively beneficial for some people.
I did a podcast with him not that long ago, and I felt like I gave...
pretty fair questions that really assessed in some circumstances could like even medications for example like he's pretty against things that are like pharmaceutical at this point he thinks everything could be naturally rectified through high quality lifestyle diet etc.
To some extent maybe I'm speaking on his behalf and being a little bit too polar on that but he is very like I don't know.
He's open to the idea that there's some minor benefit potentially to having the hormetic stress of a vegetable in some circumstance, but then in his content that's bite-sized, it very much comes across like...
Seed oils fucking suck.
This equals bad.
Don't touch this.
And I don't know.
He's definitely finding his own unique way to pick up virality himself, but at least it's centered around what he believes to be truthful.
He's not misleading necessarily with his fucking calculated, pre-planned, meticulously thought out lie, essentially.
Well, let's see what he says, and note that he has his shirt on.
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Yeah.
So I wanted to post a story today with a little more context for the Leverking situation.
I posted a reel with my thoughts.
I've known Brian for five years, long before his social media presence began.
He's a good human at his core.
And I'm incredibly disappointed by the steroid revelations, which appear to be true.
I think integrity is everything.
The most common question that I'm getting asked now is, didn't you know, Paul, about the steroid use?
The answer is no.
I had my concerns about it.
I had my doubts that he was free of PEDs like so many of you.
But on multiple occasions when I challenged him with this, I was told that the answer is no, that he was not on any performance-enhancing drugs.
Brian and I are both adult humans.
We live thousands of miles apart from each other, but I had no knowledge of his PEG use, though I did have my concerns, as I said.
I will take full responsibility for my lack of ability to challenge him with those concerns sooner.
When he began getting traction on social media, I should have brought my concerns about the truthfulness, the veracity of his statements, of his claims that he was not using PEDs to him sooner.
And like I said, I will take full responsibility for that.
Yeah, and I think that's a noble way to market it, too, where it's like, I have a, let's say I have a micronutrient deficiency of, I don't know, vitamin A or copper or whatever it is, or choline, for example, like liver is very dense in choline.
That sort of thing, using, if you don't like the taste of liver, is it reasonable to have a supplement in capsule format to get the exact same thing in, but without having to eat something you deem to be gross?
Like, totally.
And I think that's like a totally fair way to market it as well.
Yeah, but imagine being in business with this guy, and then all of a sudden the guy starts being shirtless, walking around with a chain around his neck.
He has implied it pretty heavily, but he also doesn't end up in scenarios where he gets ass point blank, whereas Liver King goes out of his way to fucking lean into it and use it as like a marketing spiel.
As big as The Rock is, at 50. What was wild is he came out, okay, and I get this is like, coincides with the message he would want to push too, and I don't think it's like disingenuous necessarily, but it's like, he was on a men's health interview and he talks about how his number one priority is longevity now.
Yeah, and I'm like, dude, like, everything you're doing is, like, the hyper-opposite of that, like, in terms of a diet, a lifestyle, potentially.
But, like, the drug exposure to maintain the physique to then do the superhero roles, to do the whatever at his age, like, it's clearly not longevity-focused.
It's very much like, how much can I milk this right now with my brand sort of thing.
No, he's so massive and he's so different than he was when he was 30. Yeah, when you're in your 20s and obviously mindful of your image and, you know, you're still working out like a maniac, you're like a top tier.
Like, he's a genetic marvel.
As is anyways when he was natural.
Yes.
So to have all of a sudden 30 years later, like you're in better form than you were in your 20s, like it's just fucking obvious, obviously.
There's definitely an argument to be made that when you have such an impressionable and massive audience that if you say, this is what it took to get here...
It very much could influence the trajectory of certain younger men who are trying to aspire to be like you.
So I see both sides of the coin for sure.
So it's kind of an interesting scenario for some of the actors because I think just unspokenly some of these interviewers know to not ask the question.
There was a guy who got really jacked for a superhero role, and he did a friend of mine's podcast, and he said to him before the podcast, I'll talk about anything, but do not ask me about drugs.
Just please don't talk to me about steroids or drugs.
It was the number one thing he did not want to talk about.
I think Studios and the, you know, the massive amount of money that's involved in a film, like the one thing they don't want is to jeopardize any of the potential income, right?
And if you come out and say, you know, the only way I got this way for the Hulk is I had to take massive amounts of steroids and this is just how it is, people are going to get upset.
It's just in the condensed time frame and the unique circumstances imposed on these individuals who go into the prep not looking like anything, that's where it gets unrealistic, and they're just...
Completely transforming in a matter of, like, 12 weeks.
He said in one instance that when he was 18, him and his friends took something, and it gave him gynecomastia, and then he never touched it again, or something like that.
The most prevalence I've seen of gyno development is in individuals who, like, without enough information, went into haphazard use of, like, a pro-hormone or, like, an oral steroid without understanding, like, the pharmacology around it and then fucked themselves up.
Even for such a little, something that's just barely protruding cosmetically, just at an objective look, when you actually look at what came out, it's like, damn, that's a fuck ton of tissue.
Again, it's, like, there's a reason why I feel that your body naturally down-regulates a lot of processes, too, potentially to, like, conserve, like, stay alive longer.
Because the bigger of a human you are, the faster you're going to die in general.
Like, I don't see many, like, seven-foot guys walking around at 80-plus years old, personally.
Yeah, but in general, even bodybuilders, again, they're subjecting themselves to absurd amounts of drugs, but at the same time, the sheer body weight and the stress it imposes on all organ systems and the longevity of everything internally, not just...
accelerates you towards death faster, like essentially.
So it's like total antithesis of longevity at the end of the day.
So, yeah, you're definitely knocking me to sustain that at 50, even on HRT.
Like you're going to have to be – he's going to have to like transiently push the envelope fairly often if he's doing multiple roles on a consistent basis that require this look.
And it seems like he's been like pretty fucking dialed about maintaining it like year over year now.
So like you could get away with maybe working out like a few times a week with like very moderate volume and maintain exactly what you have.
But to actually build, you're going to have to go into a surplus.
You're going to have to increase your volume.
You're going to have to increase your, you know, your rest, your sleep quality, duration, et cetera.
Like it's all very demanding.
It's not, it wouldn't be unthinkable that, or unfathomable, whatever the terminology would be, that he would use a shit ton or like a decent amount, blast, got to where he is, and then he could sustain it with what he deems to be not healthy, but like healthy enough that he can sort of just like cruise on it and like hold his shape for whatever, the foreseeable future of him doing these kind of roles.
I don't think it's very dissimilar from what, like, Liver King, everything he's doing is pharmacy-derived and prescribed.
Like, there was a reason why the compounds he chose, some of them are...
Like, for example, Winstrel, not something that has a clinical application generally, but, like, there are certain medications that are only available through a pharmacy legally.
You can get prescribed by a doctor and get overseen by a doctor.
So, like, I would imagine The Rock...
Is not touching stuff like Trendolone.
That's, you know, like an underground product that is not going to have, like, pharmaceutical standards for its production.
And it's just not, like, a safe compound.
Not that any of them are safe, but, like, generally it's not the most, I don't know, risk-averse compound.
And like impeding the actual function of the cardiovascular system in general, kidney stress, depending on if you're using oral steroids or not, liver toxicity, neurodegeneration is going to be accelerated from high doses of androgens.
Like across the board, it's just like broad spectrum, terrible for you.
And to answer your question earlier, like, what you would do to get that, like, I imagine he was probably, he's probably prescribed, like, a base amount of testosterone that he, like, titrates up and down based on whatever he needs to do for his roles.
I imagine he's on, like, a base of growth hormone, and then he probably intertwines in things like DECA here and there, like, I imagine for joint support, but also, like, additional fullness, anabolism, etc.
And then maybe like Anivar is like a hardening agent when he's preparing for roles that need to get like more dry and grainy looking.
But in general, it's going to be stuff that is prescribable by his overseeing whoever it is that's overseeing his care.
These can be pharmaceutical grade compounds that you can have actual medical oversight.
Like no doctor is going to recommend you take like a Trenbolone, for example.
If these guys are doing media events and they're going on these talk shows and they're being interviewed for interviews and stuff, and they're not telling the truth about that, are they even being questioned?
I mean, is anybody questioning The Rock or questioning Hemsworth?
No, and it just gets swept under the rug because it's like – it's nothing about answering the question other than getting the breaking story as conducive to that reporter's, like, longevity of their career.
No, even the celebrities that are honest, with the exception of maybe, like, Mickey Rourke or something, are, like, pretty careful and calculated about how they even represent their HRT, which could be, like, a therapeutic amount.
Like, there was one interview, it was, like, I think it was Kumail Nanjiani talking with...
Ah, what's his name?
Rob McElhenney from It's Always Sunny.
I forget the name of the show.
But, like, obviously Kumail totally, completely morphed his physique.
Morphed?
Yeah, the guys have fucking mutated in, like, a year.
And then, yeah, Rob McElhenney did, like, a wild transformation, too.
And they were talking about, like, their...
I think it was Rob who said, like, yeah, my testosterone level is, like...
He said something finicky to basically sort of deflect, but also say, like, yeah, I'm on HRT kind of thing.
No, he could be, but I think, uh, I forget who it was, but, like, somebody had a list of, some steroid dealer that had, like, a list of customers and leaked it, and he was, like, on the list.
And then he was questioned by a reporter, and he just, like, was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Who is very well-versed and really understands it.
And your show, by the way, for people who don't know, it's called More Plates, More Dates, and it's on YouTube, and it's a goofy name, but it's a great show.
I think it's catchy, but it's like, I made it when I was like, I don't know, early 20s, and it's just like...
community and like talk with guys like Huberman and stuff, like I feel more and more disconnected with what it was, which was just like self-improvement for men, like broad spectrum.
Well, the thing is, like, everyone knows that name right now, and the problem is, like, if you did change it, there would be at least a period of time where people were just like, where is he?
Sometimes when I see channels like PewDiePie or some of these channel names that are just objectively kind of, I don't know, silly or whatever, I'm like, oh, well, they did fine, so who am I to think I should do differently or something, but...
It looks like something that Gru would have in the Minions movie.
But it's fine.
I don't think you need to change that.
But people like you in the world that you live in, where you're constantly examining the efficacy of supplements and of modalities and strategies for fitness and health and longevity and all these different things, For you, when you see people talking about being natural, they're clearly not natural.
The thing that rubbed me the wrong way the most about it and is kind of like what compelled me to even make a video was because he was seeking coaching without the...
Disclosure of what the plan was to do with that help.
So it's like, I am going to enhance myself, and I'm already, you know, enhanced as is, in order to blow up by this exact date, but I'm not going to tell you, even the guy who I'm trying to seek help from potentially, like, this is what I'm doing with it.
So it's like you're almost, like, aiding in the fraudulent activity a little bit.
And it's a very long and comprehensive video that goes over the entire saga, how it began, who he is, what he's done, all the statements that he's made about being natural on multiple occasions.
It illuminates people to the realities of physiques and of this dilemma that we're talking about with role models and superheroes and these actors.
Actors are in the most insulated world.
It's very brave when an actor just comes out and says their opinions about controversial subjects or expresses some...
Opinion that's not mainstream, because that's dangerous for your career.
If you want to make it in show business in Hollywood, what Mark Wahlberg has done is brilliant.
He shuts the fuck up.
And when he talks, he doesn't talk much, and he doesn't talk about anything heavy-duty, and occasionally does, and they come down for him.
They come after him when he does.
You've got to be real careful.
Because if you just start saying, look at me, look at these guns, you don't get like this normally.
This is not normal.
Guys with 21-inch arms, this is not normal.
How do you think I'm doing steroids?
But they don't do it.
They can't do it.
They literally can't.
But if you talk to a guy like Mark Bell, he's a great example.
He's telling you, I've done steroids my whole life.
Look at the size of him.
He's a giant.
That's why I got so confused that he didn't think that the Liver King was full of shit.
And that's why, I don't know, like, I don't know if he just really likes him as a human or what his, like, if he didn't want to call him out to his face or what.
But it's like, it was, uh, I'm having a hard time grasping that he didn't think that was the case.
But I know he thinks other people he's friends with or is aware of are Natural who looked even more insane than Liver King.
Yeah, like, even with Paul, like, he still did what I think he was capable of with his resources to get tested, and he showed.
He went out of his way to do it.
But, like, there was this one guy, Matt Does Fitness.
He's seen as, like, this fake natty in the fitness industry because he looks amazing at, you know, his body composition, and he was just sick of it.
So he contacted me to facilitate, like, actual drug testing.
Like, as if I was a USADA entity or something.
And he put up a budget of money in the thousands of dollars range to get randomly drug tested with urine and concurrent blood testing.
And like, I carried, chose all the tests he was getting to be as bulletproof as possible.
And we would have a guy literally just show up when he's fucking lifting, at home, wherever.
Pull his blood and get his urine and then test it to prove.
And he's been doing it for like half a year now and concurrently showing that his lifts are not going down.
So not only is his body composition staying the same, but his lifts have not changed.
And he's passing the drug tests, which are like bulletproof tests facilitated by somebody who's not himself because he's not walking into the lab on his own accord whenever he wants sort of thing.
I'm not saying that everyone should go do that because that was a hard thing to coordinate, but that would be like...
No, the Mike O'Hearn example is it's wild that he leans.
He doesn't go as hard as Liver King, I guess, in that he's like...
But it's weird because he definitely likes to poke fun at it, even though he will not go out of his way to show any blood testing or do anything to reinforce his natural status other than, oh, look at me at like 15 years old.
I'm bigger than you now.
So like obviously it's just natural progression.
It's like, yeah, you're a genetic freak, which is why you look the way you do on gear now.
Like, he said duck eggs were, like, far superior to normal eggs, which, I don't know, like, I haven't even looked into the micronutrient, like, proportions of it to see if that to be true.
It was like one of those things where it's like, oh, you know, like even in cosmetics, they'll like take a peptide, some obscure name, and like extract it and be like, oh, we put it into this face serum and this thing that came from some natural source.
It's like the secret for, you know, eternal youth sort of thing.
Yeah.
It was just like the commercialization of the thing that is not responsible for your physique is like very, very frowned upon.
I mean, it's one thing if you're actually using those products and you believe in them and this is why you're selling them, but when you're just doing it for a money grab and also you're on the sauce.
It's really important with your channel is you've highlighted the horrific negative effects that some people encounter.
Yeah, and one of them was this young man I'd never seen anything like it this young man that got on steroids in his back Exploded and all his chest too right like acne like you couldn't believe Yeah.
Yeah, so some people, they have genetic predispositions that will make them either hyper-respond sometimes in a positive way, also in the side effect aspect – Like, usually there will be, if you push the envelope and go into, like, super physiological dosage territory, typically one thing will at least go wrong for you.
You will probably have some sort of...
I'm not saying this to be always the case because there are more responsible ways to go about it to minimize the risk of this happening or potentially avoid it altogether to some extent, but like hair loss, gynecomastia, acne, etc.
And this guy, he just had brutal acne breakout after.
He gets a lot of heat because he shows his aftermath, but he used to actually bodybuild pretty intensely and he had a, you know, a respectable physique.
It's getting a lot better, because he took Accutane, he came off the gear, etc.
He claims his source was a highly vetted, pure source, so it's tough to say if it was actually just the gear, or if it was just shit gear plus response to the gear, or what.
Yeah, I kind of feel for the guy because he does put out, like, information to try and make people aware of what happened to him, but now because he's natural, people will very much take that and be like, why would you even take gear to look like this?
And it's like, that's not what he looked like when he was on gear.
Like, he had aspirations to be a competitive bodybuilder and do certain things that, you know, it just wasn't in the cards for him genetically, obviously.
So it's just so paradoxical where you have this like industry built off of portraying a healthy lifestyle, but then you're also doing like the most paradoxical unhealthy thing to your body simultaneously.
There's definitely safer ways to do it, but ultimately, going down to deathly low body fat levels, cutting water, doing all these things, there's nothing healthy about it.
Your body was never meant to get there, fucking ever.
I have a friend that got so lean, he couldn't even walk around because his feet, the padding on the bottom was essentially gone because he had no fat anywhere.
So it was, like, painful for him to walk and to sit.
Like, his ass bones would be, like, sticking out.
And he couldn't even, like, sit on a chair without, like, padding and stuff.
There was a family that we knew in California and the husband was just a normal guy with like a regular job and he decided to enter into a bodybuilding competition and...
And he got like really low body fat and, you know, did the whole deal, did the competition, and then afterwards experienced organ failure and died.
Like, your prize money will be nothingness unless you're, like, at the top of the sport.
And even then, it's like, in general, like, I know guys who make more money in the fitness industry as just, like, influencer bros than the most top-tier bodybuilders because the bodybuilders are so dedicated to their craft and eating and training and sleeping.
They don't even have the mental bandwidth to do anything entrepreneurial outside of that.
So, even though they're the top echelon in the sport, like, even their earning potential is capped by, like, what is imposed on them from the sport to maintain just this fucking Brontosaurus physique.
He's definitely incentivized to push it harder when he's a front-facing public figure.
I'm not doubting that.
I'm just saying I do believe he would not just be on therapeutic HRT. Even if it wasn't for the message, I think he very much enjoys progressing and getting a good physique and looking the way he does.
Which is what a lot of bodybuilders ultimately, when they get into this, typically it's not for like, oh, I just want to win Mr. Olympia.
For some of them, very few, potentially that is the end goal, but it often stems from an insecurity of your...
You know, whatever it is from your youth or you feel your physique is inadequate, whatever it is, and then you compensate aggressively by going like hardcore into the, you know, chemical enhancement realm, even at the detriment of your own health in order to look a certain way.
Now, my friend, by the way, my friend is not involved in the organ supplement business, so maybe he doesn't understand how it's run.
But he's like, when you deal with organs, you're opening up the door for, like, you don't know if you don't absolutely know the source of these organs.
And that's what's hopefully the outcome isn't at the detriment of that message too because it's like I hope people don't just take The Liver King debacle as everything he said was nonsense because he had a lot of good information, like a lot of stuff that was motivating, stuff that could have been implemented to improve your quality of life, health, vitality, etc.
It's just unfortunate the way he went about doing it.
And one thing I think Paul would be on board with, but is like...
Just because it's not ancestrally consistent to be on exogenous synthetic TRT, it's not like you should live in a suboptimal state or quality of life because you're trying to be ancestrally consistent.
I feel like our podcast, it's the thumbnails on the bottom right there.
But I grilled him pretty hard on, like, in a respectful way, I felt, of, like, a lot of the...
Incongruencies or concerns about, you know, the diet model and, like, you know, micronutrient shortcomings.
Like, there are certain more difficult things to get in through, like, a nose-to-tail diet, like magnesium, and, like, we touched on a lot of that stuff.
He thinks that the RDAs for them, like many other vitamins and minerals, are potentially off because he does a lot of Blood chemistry to see where he's at and he's like quite hyper aware of his like biofeedback and kind of knows what's going on and he's never been deficient from what he can tell so he believes that like if warranted I'm sure he would recommend it but he thinks that he gets enough from his diet but he's not opposed to supplementation when warranted.
There are certain individuals who might benefit from I don't know, extra choline.
If your diet too is, even if it's nose to tail, if you're trying to lose weight or something and you're in a little bit of a deficit or whatever, maybe you might be a little bit deficient in one micronutrient and then it's justified to take a supplement with it.
Like, I'm sure he would be on board with that, and that is the whole premise of, you know, the supplements to begin with, is if you don't want to eat like a fucking heart, like, here's heart.
Yeah, like for me, I use a magnesium bisglycinate supplement personally just because I use this thing called Cronometer, and I plug my diet in, and then it shows a full breakdown of my micronutrient proportions in terms of minerals as well as micronutrients, like all the vitamins.
And for me, it's even difficult to get my magnesium in.
So it's like, if I need to backfill that with a supplement, I feel it justified.
The big one that I've been doing that I actually just started doing all this week is cold plunge first thing in the morning.
I had read this thing about this guy, and then I read some subsequent articles, then I talked to Huberman about it, about there's a great benefit to cold plunge before exercise.
And so there's a negative association between cold plunge and hypertrophy.
So what that means is that if you lift weights, And you just climb right into the cold plunge right afterwards, you actually have less of a benefit from lifting weights because the cold and the anti-inflammation properties actually stop the hypertrophy.
So the recommendation was always lift weights and then wait multiple hours before you get into the cold plunge.
I really like the cold plunge after cardio.
Cardio was a big one for me.
But I also know that there's a great benefit to sauna.
After cardio, because it actually sustains your heart rate.
So it's like static aerobic exercise.
So if you do, say like if I do, I really like sprints on the Rogue Echo bike, you know, it's like a salt bike.
I love doing Tabatas on that.
So I'll do the 20 second with 10 second rest.
And then I'll go right into the sauna.
So it's like you're 185 degrees and your heart's already pounding because you just got off the bike and it's fucking brutal.
But I've noticed an increase in my cardiovascular capability because of that.
And then what I would do is I'd get into the cold plunge after I was done with all that.
So I'd do 20 minutes in the sauna.
And then at 185 degrees and then go right into 34 degrees right after that and do three minutes into the cold plunge.
Now I've been starting my morning, every morning, as soon as I decided I was going to do it the whole month.
The moment I wake up, I just get out of bed, I put my fucking flip-flops on, and I walk out to the cold plunge.
It's fucking 40 degrees outside, and I just take off my clothes, and I just climb in there for three minutes every goddamn morning.
And I set my phone right at the top of the thing, and I put the fucking stopwatch on.
I go, here we go.
And it's rough.
You know what's rough, man?
When I first wake up, I don't enjoy waking up anymore.
Because I enjoy waking up, but then there's just nervousness.
Like, shit.
So today's Friday, so I've done it five days in a row.
But it's this fucking awful feeling that you know you're going to have to do this.
You know, look, there's people that live in war-torn parts of the world.
There's people that were born in dirt floors and, you know, they're dealing with rebels and they hear gunfire in the middle of the night and their children get killed or their family members get killed.
And also the kind of people that you surround yourself with.
That's crucial.
You have to have a good tribe.
You have a good tribe of fun, healthy people.
If you don't, you're fucked.
If you have backstabby people or gossipy people or mean people or resentful people or you're constantly dealing with somebody who's like...
You know, always fucking falling off the wagon.
You gotta go rescue Mike.
He's under a bridge shooting heroin.
Fuck!
You know, like, if you have enough of those people in your life, they will derail any progress you're trying to make.
Any self-improvement and self-growth.
I think, you know, obviously you should be there for your friends if something goes wrong, but you gotta recognize when this is an unstoppable pattern.
You know, and I'm not just talking about addiction.
I'm talking about everything.
Like, with some people it's gambling.
With some people it's food.
With some people it's just...
Some people just sabotage their lives.
And if you're around that person, they're always sabotaging their life and they always expect you to come in and fix it for them.
They can absorb a significant amount of your resources.
On the other hand, if you have friends that are positive and healthy and thankful and appreciative and they're fun to be around and those people can enhance your life, you enhance their life and everybody grows together and everybody has a good time together.
I've always been a very loyal friend, and I think that it's very important to have good friends.
I come from the martial arts world.
In the martial arts world, you need training partners.
And without training partners, you never get better.
You want elite people around you so that you have to hold yourself up to the standards of their technique and their abilities, and it's the only way you get better.
You get better by being in an environment with a bunch of killers.
Iron sharpens iron.
So, when I was a kid, from the time I was young, we always valued people who were very, very good.
You never tried to pretend they weren't good.
You always valued them.
And you always looked at their, like, oh, he's the best at this.
Like, watch how he does this.
And then you would learn and grow from imitating them or asking them.
Like, most of my martial arts techniques that I learned, no, all of them.
All of them.
I learned from other people.
All of them.
I never learned anything on my own.
Never figured out anything.
And nothing I do is original.
Everything that I learned how to do, somebody had to teach me how to do it.
So I needed someone who was like really good at something that could show me how to do it.
So when I got into comedy, one of the things that was so shocking was like, there's this like denial of other people's value.
Or like, why is he getting this?
Or why is she so successful?
My mentality was this martial arts mentality.
Like, look how good he is at marketing.
Look how good he is at delivering.
Look how he holds a pause.
Like, man, look at that stage presence.
Look how relaxed he is up there.
And it was like, I wanted to compliment them.
I'm like, dude, how you do that is amazing.
Do you consciously do that?
How do you write?
I wanted to treat it like I'm supportive.
And in the weird world of television and comedy, It was a scarcity and a famine mentality because there was only so many jobs, right?
So if you wanted to be on a sitcom, if you and I say we're in the audition room and we're both playing Tom the fucking security guy on a sitcom, if I knew that you're my friend and you're reading, I might fucking derail you.
I might say, Lou, you look like shit, Derek.
What are you, fucking losing weight?
You'd say some gross things to each other.
Or you'd be, that person doesn't represent a colleague and a friend.
That person represents the fucking barrier that's going to keep you from success.
You want to be in that house in the Hollywood Hills, driving a fucking Corvette.
Come on, baby.
You know, you've got to succeed.
And this...
That mentality fucked with comedians for a long time.
Then the internet came along.
And what the internet showed everybody is like, no, no, no.
These people are assets.
You have them on your podcast, your podcast is better.
And then you tell people about their podcast, and their podcast is good, so now people listen to you.
If you say, hey, go see Tom Segura.
He's fucking hilarious.
People go see him.
You're honest.
You tell the truth.
He's really good.
And so then it's good for everybody.
So he blows up, you blow up, and then we all help each other together.
So one of the great things about comedy now is that we have essentially like an organic network.
Instead of a network that we're all under contract and, you know, everyone has to give X percentage to this and that to that.
Is there any path, like, as you got to comedy, like, obviously you've done a bunch of different trajectories, like you did the reality show thing, you're an actor, you did, like, a bunch of different stuff.
Is there any path that you, in hindsight, wish you leaned into harder or, like, fleshed out more?
Obviously, I'm just speaking objectively from what I see, but some of the most hyper-successful individuals like yourself, it's being hyper-talented, but then also fortuitous timing in a lot of different scenarios, potentially, and there is some luck involved.
There's so much pressure on social media now for young guys, especially at younger and younger ages, to be this crazy successful entrepreneurial individual, even when they're fucking teenagers or something.
If you were to go back and be a teenager or a young 20s guy now, and you're starting from scratch, How would you approach it?
Because when you're under the public eye of social media, and even if you just have a small account with like 500 followers, you still are under the public eye.
Because something you say can go viral, and then either you blow up or you're fucked.
Either one of those scenarios is possible.
Managing your life today is so much more problematic.
It's so much more difficult.
I couldn't imagine being a teenager in high school with a fucking TikTok account.
Where you could just say wild shit.
How about that guy who was a football player who got denied a scholarship because he was singing along to the lyrics in a rap video And he said the N-word.
So there's a video of him singing along to a song he likes.
Most of my bombings, like, all my bombings, really, were just in these weird fucking nights and weird places, and you get over it, and then you move on, and you just go, ugh.
That one sucked.
That one I shouldn't have got drunk.
Or that one I was too tired.
Or that one I was too green.
Or that one I couldn't follow that guy.
These are all lessons that you learn.
But you don't want to dwell on them constantly.
Because if you do, you will put yourself back in the mindset of that person who you were when you were failing.
Which I think is very detrimental to growth.
You've got to be aware of shortcomings and failures.
But you can't dwell.
If you dwell on them, then you're maintaining this mindset of a person who just failed years after that failure.
That was a long time ago.
You've got to move on.
And if you don't move on, you're going to get stuck.
And some people, look, there's some people that get stuck in high school forever.
See, the wild thing is how, even at your level of success, you trying to wrap your head around what you would do as, like, a young guy, you can't even fucking fathom it.
So, like, imagine how overwhelmed some clueless 18-year-old kid is.
It's not like something that's available that you don't really need to go to all the time.
Everyone carries a goddamn phone with them everywhere they go.
So you're always connected to this.
And kids are ruthless how they talk shit about each other on the internet.
Oh my god, they're so mean.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to live like that.
But who knows?
Maybe it's one of those things where The way I've described it in the past is like I grew up in the Northeast and I wouldn't trade I wouldn't trade that for the world Because there's something about growing up in a place where it fucking snows Where it's cold as shit and the winter comes and you're fucked and when your car breaks down You got to walk five miles and you know negative ten degrees That builds a resistance or a resilience rather in a person that is
I don't think it's replaceable.
I don't think you can get that.
I mean you certainly could develop discipline and you could certainly develop resilience if you live somewhere else, especially if you have a hard childhood.
Those people develop a lot of resistance and a lot of resilience.
But there's something about Growing up in harsh climates that develops a specific type of character character a person that values hard work and you get shit done and it's like a very common to People that live in like the Northeast in Boston.
I wonder if like kids growing up today are it's like a technological winter They are developing a resilience, like a psychological resilience, if they survive it.
They don't fucking commit suicide, which a lot of kids do today.
Suicide and self-harm is up quite a bit.
Jonathan Haidt has a book about it.
It's called The Coddling of the American Mind.
And in it, that's one of the things they discuss, is that, particularly with girls, suicide and self-harm ramps up considerably around the time of social media's invention, around the time of the iPhone.
So maybe these kids today that are growing up are growing up with like the wintertime equivalent of resilience, but through the internet, you know?
Yeah, some of these, like, I've been more, as I've become more successful, I've been exposed to more successful people, those who are self-made, but also those who aren't and have been, like, trust fund babies or whatever.
And there's definitely a huge differentiation between the mindset or the mentality of those who have gone through adversity or hard times versus those who have been, like, silver platter to them, essentially.
Like, even the ones who were successful but didn't have to go through the, you know, the hard upbringing or make it through challenges that otherwise, you know, have been, they've just, like, coasted through essentially because they've never been imposed, it's never been imposed on their lives at all.
But the reality is there's a giant difference between growing up poor and then eventually becoming rich versus growing up super wealthy and then being given money and working hard to sustain that money.
It's just not the same.
You're like concrete that's like missing an ingredient.
And I'm sure you can attest to the fact that like there definitely is like a neurological component to like it's called the hedonic treadmill and it's like your new set point becomes just what your baseline expectation is of Yeah.
I don't know, like, adapting to that and being able to go from, like, zero to my hero, but just, like, the step-by-step is, like, what gives you the reward, gives you the mental progress and achievement that I think makes, like, a cumulatively just, like, a well-rounded human as opposed to the guys who are just, like, here you go, like, you're already up here from get-go sort of thing.
Watch Chris Weidman test out his leg after brutal injury.
I had David Goggins on the podcast yesterday, and Goggins, he's such a fucking freak of discipline, and his ability to tolerate pain is like no one I've ever talked to.
He had bone on bone on his knees to the point where it distorted the shape of his bone, where his bones were like distorting to deal with the fact that there was no meniscus there and it was like growing off in a weird way.
So the way they mitigated that is they had to cut a wedge out of his shin and then they lowered that bone down to make it parallel and flat with the tibia.
It's crazy.
And you see these screws that are in there, and he's got this plate and these screws, and he said every step he takes, he feels that plate.
See, the wild thing to me about him, too, and it's like perhaps he's fully elucidated this in his book or in a podcast, and I just haven't seen it.
But, like, he used to be out of shape, and then all of a sudden, like, switch flips, and he's just the most hyper-disciplined individual of all time, essentially.
Like, what was the catalyst for that, like, mindset shift?
But, like, the first steps that he made, I mean, the first time he ever ran, look at how fat he was at one point in time.
The first time that he ever ran, he said he ran, like, around the block, and he fucking couldn't go any further.
It was exhausting.
He was eating terrible food and drinking milkshakes every day, and it was just...
Working as an exterminator.
He's got two books.
One of them is called Can't Hurt Me.
That's the first one.
And this is the new one.
It's called Never Finished.
And this comes out on December 6th.
And this one is even more rough.
It's even more rough than the first book.
It's fucking rough, man.
His life was rough.
And those demons like propel him every day and now He's in this place where he's known as like literally the hardest motherfucker that's ever lived like that's that's who he is He's this guy that will run like you know 20 fucking ultra marathons in a month just to show people that it's possible and that Is, like, a burden, too.
Because now you're constantly attached to this thing where you have to push it to the end, and then you see his body is falling apart.
Like, his last podcast I did—he was, like, the last podcast I did was, like, four years ago.
Fuck these podcasts!
He's like, but I like you!
I'll do yours!
He's different.
David exists in this world where he is out there pushing himself beyond the limitations of the average human being, way beyond, in terms of his tolerance for pain.
And he believes he's extracting lessons from that.
Like, he likes the suffering because he learns about himself in that suffering.
And he continues to grow through that suffering.
Like, that's what he does, like, all day long, man.
There's certain stuff that's going to stay in his system for a long time he could never use, but on the bioidentical side, anything that is pro bone integrity, infrastructure enforcing, he is going to be...
I would be highly incentivized if I was him and I knew I wasn't being tested.
Yeah, he could, but I'm saying the most logical thing would be the growth factor side of things.
So that would be GH and then accompanying peptides like the BPCs, the TB500. There's other peptides that are not even tested for that I'm sure he's probably already using.
But, yeah, like, I imagine his main priority is injury-proofing himself more so than getting, like, juicy as fuck.
You know, when your bones get snapped and it's a weight-bearing bone, he says, I crushed a metatarsal bone in my foot three weeks before the Khabib fight and still made the walk.
All injuries are not the same.
You will see it all on Netflix.
Oh, so he's doing a Netflix documentary?
When a serious injury with a high percentage of never recovering occurs, it is just simply not the same.
Yeah, well there is a high percentage of never truly recovering.
Like, there's something called pentasand polysulfate, I'm sure he might be trying, BPC-157 you've heard of, and something like the thymosin beta.
Like, some of these are kind of, like, commonly known, would be expected, but I imagine it's very much from the acceleration of recovery, like you said, and then also just trying to make sure this shit never happens again.
And he's actually confident going into the ring, and...
Yeah, for him, it's kind of a unique loophole for sure.
And I don't know how if anyone else has vetted this strategy and somehow they were encouraged not to or made it seem like it was not allowed.
But it seems kind of odd that he was able to take himself out so perfectly and then is able to just enter back in.
This is not something that I think even other UFC fighters were aware of as a possible...
Like, it seems like I would, as far as, like, injury recovery goes for something that significant, like, I wouldn't know personally off the top of my head, but it seemed like there were certain individuals that took I forgot what Anthony Smith's injury was, but it was not as severe.
And there was other individuals who had significant bone-related injuries that took way fucking longer to come back.
But it was some sort of a significant, I think it was a ligament injury or something like that, which is why it was so unstable that he thought it was cracked.
Yeah, I guess he's one of the premier shit-talkers, but it's wild how aggressive he is with it still, even though he's kind of in this, I don't know, losing streak position.
Yeah, like even the guys who were on a hot streak like Costa and just melting under pressure, some of them, it's, you know, definitely seems like even at the highest level with the most confident of individuals, they might just fucking...
I did a whole deep dive video on what I think he could be doing.
And I think for any individual that doesn't pass the eye test, he would definitely be one of those individuals.
But I wouldn't boil it down to that.
He could be a hyper outlier individual for sure.
And I wouldn't want to ever say a definitive statement, but I think if there was ever a person, maybe not if there was ever a person, but I think it's highly probable that he's done certain things, for sure.
Even when he went into the Ultimate Fighter, what is the show called again?
Yeah, he went in as a self-proclaimed bodybuilder from Brazil, and his physique very much represented what you would expect.
Obviously, he was more of a newbie back then, but even outside of myself, highly respected individuals like Farras Zahabi also believes he's on gear or has done certain things.
Yeah, it's, you know, you can never say for certain if they're passing tests, obviously, but a lot of finicky shit sometimes goes into when they're testing out of the country, you know, politics, corruption, etc.
Yeah, like some of the most premier suspect guys were tested like single digit times, and this other guy somehow has like half of USADA's fucking budget allocated to him.
Like, I get that he was new in the actual sport, like he was coming from, I forget where he came from exactly, but Well, he was not new in MMA. No, no, no.
So the idea that some people have put out is they needed to establish more of a comprehensive passport on him quicker so that he had more elaborate testing off the jump than...
It just very much brought into question, like, were they hoping he'd have more leeway in order to not give him the opportunity to actually have a good...
Fight when he's right coming back sort of thing like there's a lot of speculation Obviously you couldn't say one way or another what actually is going on and they're very tight-lipped about like they don't reveal test results anymore Like they used to back in the day you could actually get like John Jones fucking urine analysis and interpret it yourself and like see what's going on Whereas now it's like if a guy pops or whatever like it's very You know you can't really get insight onto what their decision-making process is like Like, even when asked about Connor, they were very, very vague in their answer.
It was very much just like, this is what the rule set is for getting in and out of the pool and the testing window that you need to be subject to in order to be qualified to fight again, and that's it.
We're not going to speak on any individual fighter, what has happened with them or not happened with them, etc.
Like, you couldn't be like, oh, for fucking sure, but, like, it's pretty hard to refute, like, what has been put in front of our face with the positive test results and all the other background context.
But if Francis Ngannou versus Jon Jones is the big fight, well, Francis has had to take a lot of time off as well because Francis had a torn MCL and ACL, had to get surgery, reconstructed his leg, rehabilitated it, out for over a year.
So that, to me, is very interesting.
I like that fight because Francis has had a lot of time off, Jon's had a lot of time off, and, you know, It's commensurate.
At least close.
I mean, obviously Francis has been more active recently.
But at least that time off makes sense to me.
And it's a very compelling fight.
And I think John, his background, his resume does warrant an immediate shot at the title.
He's absolutely one of the greatest fighters of all time.
No ifs, ands, or buts.
And him stepping up from light heavyweight, relinquishing the title, voluntarily saying, I'm done with this.
I'm going to move up to heavyweight and be the heavyweight champ and then building himself legitimately into a heavyweight and then documenting it all.
Showing all the deadlifts, showing all the squats, showing, put on size and put on some body fat.
Well, the grappling of Jon Jones is very difficult to deal with.
I mean, for a guy like Francis Ngannou, who was primarily a striker and was taken down on multiple occasions by Stipe Miocic, And really dominated in their first fight.
The question is, has Francis gotten better at grappling?
Well, he definitely has, because he beat Cyril Ghosn with grappling.
That was the fight that he fought with his blown-out leg.
And he fought Cyril Ghosn, who is a fucking phenomenal striker.
I don't know if you saw Cyril Ghosn versus Tai Tuivasa.
Holy shit is Cyril Ghosn good.
He's so technical, so smooth, and his combinations are...
Francis beat him with his grappling.
So Francis' grappling, even with a fucked up leg, has gotten a lot better, but hasn't got to Jon Jones levels.
That's the big question.
Because Jon is...
Jon took down Daniel Cormier, who's an Olympic wrestler.
I mean, Jon's a fucking monster when it comes to grappling.
And he's also just as tall as anybody in the heavyweight division.
And he has a phenomenal understanding of distance.
He's the very best at utilizing reach.
But when he goes up, he's now fighting guys that are his height and even bigger than him, and Francis.
So how does he deal with that?
How does he deal with a guy like Cyril Ghosn?
How does he deal with these...
It's interesting to find out, and I love the fact that he really didn't want to do light heavyweight anymore.
Yeah, it's wild when you see guys, like, grind through five rounds and they still get caught at the end with, like, one shot and it's just, that's all it takes.
Yeah, there are certain drugs you can use that I believe aren't banned that you can do pretty hyper-aggressive fat loss in short, condensed time frames.
Like what drugs?
Have you ever heard of DNP? No.
Dinitrophenol.
It was used in explosives in World War I, and then they found out that after the workers were creating the bombs, they were overheating and dying, and they figured out it was because it was being absorbed transdermally and increasing their metabolism so much that they were internally overheating.
Yeah, and they marketed it as a fat loss agent for however many years in like the, I don't know, like decades ago, like almost a fucking hundred years ago at this point.
And people started dying because it's very easy to miscalculate your dose or use...
Like, the lethal dose is not that far from the effective dose.
And people are overheating and dying, and they took it off the mark, and it's become illegal.
But as far as I know, I don't think they actually test for it in USADA. Like, if you put in, like, their drug database, 2,4-dinitrophenol, I don't think they test for it.
And there are certain other things too, but there are a lot of loopholes.
I don't even think they test for stimulants outside of competition either, like amphetamines and whatnot.
Really?
Yeah, so there are a lot of things you could do to nuke your appetite, increase energy expenditure significantly, drop water weight potentially more aggressively, and cut harder than would otherwise be naturally possible potentially.
Yeah.
So, I don't necessarily think that he's doing all these things, but when you see a guy lose, like, fucking 60 pounds or something, you can only imagine he's looking for any loophole that...
Yeah, so it basically makes you feel satiated way easier, essentially.
Your compulsion to eat is so dramatically hindered that you're way more likely to stick to a diet.
Even individuals...
If you become a morbidly obese person, sometimes there are genetic predispositions at play, for sure.
But in addition, a lot of these individuals, they...
Lack willpower to stick to a diet and like follow a well thought out like exercise regimen or whatever.
Like to get to that point, many of them do lack the willpower necessary because they're just, you know, succumb to cravings and whatnot.
And not every individual has the same like hunger, appetite, satiety feedback signals that, you know, the next guy might have who's super lean.
And that's why they can walk around lean because they just don't get as hungry.
And these individuals, like even like the morbidly obese, really fat motherfuckers, they would end up losing like 30 pounds plus on average when they use this stuff when they were testing it for type 2 diabetes.
And they started ramping up the dose and found that there was like an obesity management, obesity management, can't even talk, obesity management dose that was like hyper effective for these guys to lose, you know, 30, 40 pounds, which is like very, very effective for managing, you know, hemoglobin A1C, fasting insulin levels, fasting glucose levels and becoming far fasting insulin levels, fasting glucose levels and becoming far more healthy individuals as a result.
But it's as a consequence of the weight loss.
But these individuals would typically overeat otherwise and they start using this drug and all of a sudden they don't feel, you know, compelled to eat nearly as many calories.
So if you're like a fighter who's aggressively cutting, like you still have the same cravings as anybody else who's following a diet model of any sort, like trying to get the single digit body fat to step on a, you know, weigh in before fight night and you're water depleted or whatever.
Like you can imagine you're, you would just love to eat a piece of chocolate right now or like anything, like your cravings are through the goddamn roof because your body's feedback signals are screaming at you to eat nutrients.
Do you think that using semaglutide, though, would affect physical performance?
Because of the diminished appetite, is there any other sort of feedback loop that would let you, like, maybe you wouldn't take in the nutrients that are necessary to have a good workout?
This is something that is just being learned about.
Like, in the...
Health space, health and wellness, and actual scientific community.
Semaglutide has been known about for a long time because it was used to manage type 2 diabetes, but only more recently has it started to pick up steam and popularity for its effects on obesity because all these crazy headlines started coming out about people losing 30, 40 plus pounds who otherwise couldn't.
And as far as how it would affect a fighter's ability to assimilate nutrients, stuff like that, Yeah, it slows gastric emptying significantly.
It can cause pretty intense GI issues, make you nauseous.
Maybe you don't even want to eat the food that you need to eat.
It kind of depends on what situation you're imposing on yourself.
But yeah, it's not a side effect-free drug by any means.
There are different increments of dosage from the company that makes it and the lower dosage, like the drug is semaglutide and I think the lower one is called Ozempic and it's for diabetes management but it's basically just like a pen that's like in one milligram increments and that's the diabetes management dose.
There's other smaller increments too but 2.4 milligrams is like the max well-tolerated dose where for obesity management it's like significantly more effective.
Yeah, it's like some of the neurochemical changes that happen when you're accustomed to like the Western diet with processed foods and stuff, you're kind of, some of these individuals I think are imposing a situation on themselves where their brain is so sugar addicted or processed food addicted where they then need pharmacology to stick to a reasonable calorie intake so they can eat their like shitty foods too.
Where I think a lot of this, not always, but some of this appetite feedback regulating stuff could happen naturally if you just had Like a high-quality diet, high-quality sleep.
Like a lot of these things are massively impacted by sleep quality, duration, diet quality, exercise regimen.
And it sort of self-regulates itself like a normal healthy body would.
And some of this stuff could be band-aids for certain individuals who are getting shit sleep, doing whatever.
When I did the carnivore diet, I was pretty shocked at how easily satisfied I was.
And if I had done the carnivore diet and someone put a plate of spaghetti in front of me while I was doing that, I would be done eating fine with the carnivore diet.
But the spaghetti would be like, I want that now.
And I could eat that.
Like I could probably eat a whole bowl of spaghetti after being completely satisfied with steak.
Whereas when I was on that diet, very strictly, which is just for a month, I could be fine.
Yeah, what was wild is there was this university in Canada that removed all of the nutritional information, apparently, from the foods that the students are getting on their meal plans because it was, like, too triggering to show the calories.
And then it presents this fucked up scenario where you can't even self-regulate.
Even the individuals who want to stay at a healthy weight, you can't even figure out what the fuck you're eating.
I don't know.
I'm on board with intuitive eating.
If you've gotten to the point where you've educated yourself enough about what your body actually needs, when to stop eating, and you've established healthy practices that have become cemented as your foundational infrastructure, but to then have a guy who doesn't even know how to diet and be like, oh, don't worry about it.
Just eat until you're satisfied.
That's how you get fat.
If I ate until I felt good, I would be a fat fuck.
There was a viral video that went around that was a woman who was—God, I don't think she was a professor somewhere—who was talking about avoiding certain foods is just fatphobic, and it's not based in science, and you shouldn't deny yourself donuts, and— That it's all, you know, to call some food junk food is incorrect.
And it's like, how are you ever speaking publicly on this?
This is also, she was obese as fuck.
You know what I'm talking about, Jamie?
You remember that video?
Where, like, people, nutritionists were outraged.
Like it's the same kind of outrage that you should have at them thinking that it's triggering to have actual data on the food you're eating.
Like you should know what you're eating.
You should know what the calorie and what the nutrient content is, the food.
It doesn't mean anybody should tell you what you should and shouldn't do.
What they're doing, they're raising the anti-David Gogginses.
They're raising the most non-resilient people possibly known to man, where every single microaggression, every single thing that could trigger you, all those are removed.
you are just raw and vulnerable and will protect you in this university system and then you spit you out into the world where you will then infect corporations with this ideology and that's what we're experiencing yeah it's wild how uh the shift to like comfort mentality has very much become commonplace and it's just like i feel like this is partially why men's testosterone levels are dropping too like
Like, just, like, the lifestyle and encouragement to be, like, a sedentary piece of shit who's offended and insulted by literally everything.
That's one of the good things about Goggins, though, too, is he showed that even him, who's the most incredibly disciplined and hard individual out there, He even at one point was not in the best shape.
Yeah, no, it's wild how much misinformation is in this industry and, like, misleading, I don't know, just, like, information designed to make you buy into whatever it is that they're trying to promote that is, like, this is the only way, there's no other alternative, and I think more transparency in the industry overall is just...
You know, always a net benefit for the individuals watching trying to educate themselves.
Very, very hard to come by.
It's such an overwhelming amount of information now, too, across social media.
It's like, who do you even trust or listen to half the time?
And one of the things that happens when a guy like the Liver King gets so massive Is that he develops this incredible following that really is unjustified given the fact that he's lied about stuff.
But then that will come towards you now.
And a lot of that will come towards you because people realize, like, who's this guy who's exposed this?
And what is this?
Oh, this guy's interesting.
Oh, look how educational this is.
Look how much information this guy's giving out.
Like, this is great.
And then they'll go to your other videos and they'll say, oh, there's like a real good benefit to this.
And you talk about stuff without any worry about the moral quandary involved.
You know, you're just like, this is what's effective, and this is what works, and this is a...
And, you know, that's how it should be.
Like, it should be up to the person who's taking it to make your own decisions in terms of what you should and shouldn't do with your body.
But you also show, look at this guy's fucking back and the acne.
No, I'm sure that's why I... As much as I do, too, appreciate the stuff you do.
It's very, very transparent into what you do, what's effective, why you do it, what you feel is a waste of time, why, how you've learned things, how you've educated yourself over the years.
You always have people on, regardless of how big or small their social media following is, too.
highly committed to high quality information and like furthering your education and the education of those who are watching, which is like super admirable.
Like I don't know any other podcaster who actually like just has on people they want to fucking talk to you kind of thing. - Yeah, that's all my requirements So there's so many famous people that have tried to get on.
That's been the most amazing part about it is to be able to talk to so many intelligent people that have so much information on so many different subjects and be able to quiz them.
So it's like you get this free seminar with this fucking genius who gets to sit down and explain to you how they can shoot a telescope a million miles into space and take photos of the cosmos.
No, I forget the study, but it was like comparing somebody who like won versus lost a competition or something, and it was like the winner would get a boost in tea, loser would lose tea.
I wonder, like for you, obviously, I think you're in your early 50s now?
Yeah, 55. So, would you, if it was possible, if it even came out and, like, I don't know, David Sinclair came out with some, like, crazy longevity thing, you could just live forever, would you want to, like, maintain that in perpetuity?
And what do you think about just, like, the way...
I don't really know how to perceive if this is a good thing, the way things are going, just trying to turn people into robots and this whole shift towards maintaining the species in perpetuity.
Yeah, because I'm trying to imagine, like, what the future is of people just, like, have this fucking chip in their head, and they're just sitting there, like, brain-dead on a couch, like, just, like, simulating sex all day, essentially, and just, like, hammering the dopamine button, and that's pretty much it.
Like, Zuckerberg pumped so much money into the metaverse, and now people are calling him a fool, and, you know, and they're, you know, how much money did...
Meta-loos on the metaverse, banking on the metaverse.
Well, there's things that are educational about it that are really interesting.
Like one of the things, he came in and he gave me one of the newer units that are out now to try on and show you the capabilities.
And one of the things you could do is virtual tourism.
So you could go to the Louvre in Paris and you're walking around with people that are in the Louvre.
So like they had someone wear it, right?
And then the cameras are all around.
They probably have like multiple people that did it.
And then there's all these actual human beings that are walking around the Louvre and you walk in between them and can go like walk right up to this painting and check it out.
And it looks pretty good.
I mean, it doesn't obviously look 100% real, but they can do that with things like Mount Everest.
They can do that with things like, you know, Mauna Loa.
You could go to, you know, Tahiti.
You could experience things that are unavailable to you.
Like, say, if you're living in some inner city and you're a young kid, you can get a wealth of, like, physical experiences through virtual reality.
No, not realistic, but not necessarily realistic, but enough so that it makes it exciting.
So like when you put the headphones on and then you're standing in front of this guy and he throws punches, if you move your head, the punches miss you.
Makes me wonder if it's just going to be like essentially...
You're replicating what you could otherwise, if you were trying to achieve something in real life and then trying to replicate a virtual version of it, and then you're just going to be competing against other people virtually for virtual belongings and virtual success and virtual this, but everyone in reality is just sitting in their apartment fucking...
I think that's some version of that is probably inevitable at this point.
What is going to be weirder is if we integrate with technology to the point where you're not wearing something, but it's a part of your body, like a Neuralink.
Yeah.
The thing that's going to be crazy about that is then you're no longer interfacing with some virtual reality headset and playing a game with some other people that are on the cyber world.
Now your mind is connected to the cyber world permanently.
Like, any of these, like, rat studies that look at what happens when they present them with an opportunity to just, like, press a button and then it hits them with dopamine and they have, like, an orgasm or something.
And when they have virtual sex, when they really do develop some sort of either a haptic feedback suit or some sort of a neural implant that can...
You can hijack all of your sensitivity cells and all the skin cells and all the things that are designed to detect, feel, and touch and warmth.
They can hijack those and you could feel a woman wrap her legs around you.
You're like, holy shit!
No one's going to avoid that.
You're going to be on it all day long.
Why would you want to be alone?
What do you want to do?
You want to be alone playing checkers?
No, you're going to put that thing on.
You're going to fuck this tent.
And you're going to be in a waterbed with great music playing.
It's going to feel amazing.
And if it's going to be so good that you cannot detect whether or not it's a simulation.
Like, this is one of the weirder things that Elon believes.
He believes there's a high likelihood that we are currently in a simulation.
And when I said to him, I said, well, with probability theory, and you think about all the planets that there are, and all the potential for advanced civilizations, the potential for advanced life, one day they will create a technology that's unrecognizable from reality.
You will develop some sort of a virtual environment that you can't discern whether or not this is physically real or whether or not this is just so super advanced technology that recreates life.
Yeah, I don't even know what to make of it, because it's like, I don't know, for the people who very much value achievements in real life and chasing success or doing things that are rewarding, it kind of like shits on that.