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Joe Rogan Experience #1876 - Greg Fitzsimmons
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
joe rogan
And one must be sober for a month.
greg fitzsimmons
Must one work out every day?
Isn't that part of it too?
joe rogan
Must one work out every day.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
One must work out.
One must burn 500 calories in a workout every single day.
Seven days a week.
365 days.
unidentified
Well, 60. 30. 30 days.
joe rogan
I'm already expanding.
greg fitzsimmons
So is there a contest about who can burn the most calories?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
We're not doing that because we go crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The problem with contests is they absorb your whole life.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And everybody except Ari has a family and obligations and jobs and podcasts and different things they have to do.
We did it one year, the contest, and it was pretty obvious halfway in that we were fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
I remember you got behind, and then you just powered through and came from behind with some crazy workouts.
joe rogan
Well, I was never really behind.
I mean, I might have been behind for like a day.
In the beginning, we were trying to figure out how much we were going to burn.
Because we were using this MyZones thing, so it's like you wear a chest strap.
And the chest strap gives you points with the application for however many minutes you are at 80% of your max heart rate versus 90% of your max heart rate, like 90 is 2 points, 80 is 1 or something like that.
Yeah.
And...
Ari figured out that he could watch TV while you were doing cardio.
So he watched movies on an iPad while he was doing cardio.
And he ran up a big number, like 400 in a day.
We were like, fuck!
That's a big number.
That was like two movies.
And so then we really started getting crazy.
And then one day I did 1100 points.
I did seven hours of cardio.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
Mostly what?
Running?
joe rogan
No, mostly elliptical machine.
Because you could watch movies.
So I watched John Wick like 50 times.
I kept rewinding it to the scene in the bathhouse where he kills everybody.
Just because it's so adrenaline-filled, you can keep going.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I watched some fights, I watched a bunch of shit, and it's like, it just got too crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We were losing our minds.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
joe rogan
We were really losing our minds.
We were talking a lot of shit to each other, and Tom got sick, Tom got the flu, and then the day he got better from the flu, he ran 13 miles.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
The day he got better, he ran 13 miles through his neighborhood, through the hills.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
That's different than a treadmill.
13 miles on the street is like...
joe rogan
That's real.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, we went crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And like if that kept going, imagine if we had it for like six months.
We had a fitness contest for six months and at the end of six months you win like a million dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You could have got a sponsor for that.
joe rogan
Easy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The problem is it would become your whole life.
We would go crazy.
And Burt would die.
Burt would for sure have a heart attack.
Or he would just be content coming in last like he did last time.
He talked a lot of shit and came in last.
greg fitzsimmons
He did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it seems like a great idea for your, like for me, working out is just for my head.
I don't even give a shit.
I mean, this body I was naturally born with.
It's a gift.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
greg fitzsimmons
But my brain, if I work out, man, I just feel happy.
And if I don't, I get depressed.
joe rogan
So one of the things we talked about, Tom and I talked about specifically, was that When you do a lot of cardio in a day, like four hours of cardio in a day, he goes, all the internal chatter just goes away.
I go, yeah, there's no negative talk.
There's no anxiety and angst.
And I really wonder how much of that that people walk around with all day could be fixed with cardio.
unidentified
It could be fixed with rigorous exercise.
joe rogan
They say weightlifting helps anxiety, too.
They say strength training does.
But for me, it's like cardio.
Cardio seems to put me in this place where it's just like, whatever.
Who gives a fuck?
It's just a really peaceful...
It, like, balances out what's really important to think about and worry about versus, like, things that are just sort of bouncing around in your head.
You don't know if I should pay attention to that one or that one, and what should I freak out about the most?
Like, every time I watch the news, every time I look at the news, I'm like, how engaged do I get here?
Do I freak out about Russia?
Am I gonna freak out and then my whole day will be a freakout?
Or do I recognize that there's not a goddamn thing I can do about this?
And just casually be aware of it and hope it doesn't explode.
That's the dilemma.
Basically every day.
With wild shit like the Russia-Ukraine war, most of the time I look at the news, I'm like, how much am I going to engage with this?
greg fitzsimmons
And not just the news, but everything in your life.
I have to do it when I listen.
I listen to books about the Civil War, because I listen to audiobooks when I go to sleep at night.
It's the only way I can sleep.
I try to find the dullest nonfiction available with a good British author, and it just puts me right to sleep.
So I've probably listened to 50 Non-fiction books in the last five, ten years.
joe rogan
Do you fall asleep with the headphones on?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Is that a problem?
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
Do you have dreams?
greg fitzsimmons
No, no, no.
I set a timer.
It goes off after 45 minutes.
joe rogan
You got some guy talking to you about some guy bleeding out from a musket wound in the woods.
He got shot by his own cousin because they're on the wrong side of the Mississippi.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, the one I just listened to was about Jesse James.
It was pretty badass.
Jesse James was born in Missouri and Missouri during the Civil War.
When you picture the Civil War, you picture like there was the Confederate States and there was the Union States and they fought.
No.
Missouri, fucking, this family was Confederate, this one was Unionist.
And they would just go kill each other.
It was random.
And there was marauding packs of guys like Jesse James.
It was the Jesse James gang.
It was him and his brother Frank and these other guys.
And they would just...
They had like...
The press kind of like made heroes of them because they said that they were like Robin Hood.
They were given to the poor because, you know, they gave a couple of widows some money that they mostly kept.
They killed fucking thousands of people and kept all the money.
joe rogan
Did you ever read – you read me Malcolm Gladwell?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You read that thing that Malcolm Gladwell talked about with, like, the honor societies that lived in, like, Appalachia and how many of them were involved in feuds that led to, like, mass murders?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah.
But the psychology behind this, the most fascinating thing, he was saying that these people come, like, they emigrated from a part of the world Where they were herders, like they're herded animals.
And when you herded animals, you had a very different reaction to transgressions than someone who like say was a farmer.
Because someone couldn't steal your farm.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they could steal your animals.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
So you had to be violent in your defense of your property.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it could be gathered up by somebody else.
So you had to constantly be vigilant and you had to be very wary of intruders because people did that all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
When they come in, they would steal all your sheep.
So when they came over to America...
They carried that ethic about conflict.
They were to the death.
They would go to the death.
They would come for you.
And that's just the way they lived.
Like if you stole from them, they would kill you.
If you insulted them, they would kill you.
And they were all living in the Appalachians.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So these folks were just like, if you think about that part of the world, like why is it so uniquely violent?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's because those people...
unidentified
And clannish.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They emanated from this population of people that grew up having to defend their animals.
It completely makes sense.
greg fitzsimmons
What were they like?
Scottish, mostly?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
greg fitzsimmons
I think they were Irish and Scottish.
joe rogan
Which also makes sense.
Wild ass drunks.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Constantly involved in fights.
A long history of warfare.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Those are wild people, man.
Wild fucking people.
You think about the people that are there are the descendants of people who've lived there thousands of years.
That's what's so crazy about Europe as opposed to America.
If you're not a Native American tribesperson who's on your family's land...
And it's been that land for hundreds of years.
Everyone's from somewhere else.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you're living in Scotland, there's a good chance that someone 400 years ago from your family also lived in Scotland.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Which is wild!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
To the point, we were talking about this the other day.
When is there going to be, like, I don't know how this works, but I know that when they do a genetic test, they can find out some of your family's from Eastern Europe.
You have this percentage of Eastern Europe genes, this percentage of genes from Asia.
They can do that with, like, a 23andMe, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
At what point in time is there an American gene?
At what point in time, like, how many generations do we have to stay in this one spot?
Or is it just such a constant melting pot with people constantly moving into here that it never will be, like...
You know what I'm saying?
Like, is it possible that people could say, oh, your ancestors came from America?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that even possible?
greg fitzsimmons
That is funny because I'll ask people in the audience, like, what's your ethnicity?
And they say white.
And I just look at them going like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
And they'll be like a black person sitting right next to them and they'll be like, white!
unidentified
I'm white!
greg fitzsimmons
It's fucking great!
What's your ethnicity?
joe rogan
White is not an ethnicity, right?
Isn't that odd?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's kind of odd that Latino is an ethnicity.
African American is an ethnicity.
Asian is an ethnicity.
But that's not like being white.
Like if you say...
German is just white, right?
Irish is just white.
He's a white guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you would say probably Saxon.
joe rogan
Who the fuck would say Saxon?
I'd be like, get out of my office!
greg fitzsimmons
Tad.
Tad with the whale belt and the shirt tucked in.
joe rogan
Well, my ancestry is Saxton.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of his office.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, mine, I guess the Irish, a lot of the Irish are Normans.
The Norman invasions that were in like the 11th century or something came over.
And so like Fitzsimmons, the name Fitzsimmons literally means bastard son of.
Anytime you hear Fitz, that means bastard son of.
So originally it was Simmons, which was like wherever the Normans came from.
I guess that would be the French area or north.
And so they would come in and they would steal a parcel of land from the Irish and they would say, Simmons, this is yours now.
Now you're Fitzsimmons.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So I'm a bastard.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
Remember Greg Fitzgerald?
greg fitzsimmons
No, Dave Fitzgerald.
joe rogan
Dave Fitzgerald.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's right, Dave Fitzgerald.
greg fitzsimmons
Dave Fitzgerald was a good comic.
joe rogan
Dave Fitzgerald was one of the first guys that I ever saw that went straight from the Alcoholics Anonymous program to stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because AA, for a lot of guys, acted as an open mic.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Dick Daugherty.
Dick Daugherty got through comedy from AA. Yeah.
A lot of those guys did.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the AA rooms launched many careers.
I would name names, but it's like literally the last thing you're supposed to do.
Yeah, you're not supposed to do that.
Dave used to talk about it on stage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He would talk about it.
joe rogan
And also, he's not with us anymore.
He was a funny guy.
That was a bummer, man.
greg fitzsimmons
He used to get standing o's as the feature act.
How do you like to follow that fucking guy?
joe rogan
He was solid.
greg fitzsimmons
And he had that voice.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was very like great comedic timing, really wrote hard, was a real good writer.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it was a postal worker, wasn't he?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
greg fitzsimmons
Because a lot of those Boston comics, like, they had good civil service jobs, and then they would do stand-up at night, and they'd be driving up to Maine with us on a Tuesday night, making 75 bucks, and then they'd have to get up the next morning and do their real job.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about Boston is, like, if you're a bum, they make you feel like shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
People up there work.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
They fucking work.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And so if you're going to just become a comic and you're going to quit your job at the post office, you know how hard your uncle worked to get you that job at the post office?
greg fitzsimmons
Exactly.
joe rogan
How many strings he had to pull?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you're in, but you don't want to be in?
You want to be on the road?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you're off in Maine for $75?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you get one shot at the union.
Once you're in, you're in.
Once you're out, you're out.
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you leave, boy, people will be mad at you because that is a good fucking job.
And you get good benefits.
You get increased pay every year.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, unions bring a lot of happiness and security.
They definitely do.
Unions have got some problems, but they have to work out the problems because the business model of a union is solid.
joe rogan
Everything with people has problems.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everything with people.
And everything with people where people can get into a position of power and control other people and decide, like, what other people can and can't do.
It's like...
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's where unions are strong.
I mean, it's like you don't want...
Just money running everything because eventually money's gonna go why are we paying you this much?
We're gonna pay you less.
Yeah You know what if we just move our shit over to this cross this river over here We can get people to work for a dollar an hour.
Did you know that?
Yeah, it'll cost us this amount of money to move our plan over there But we'll get these people over there to work they work for almost nothing and that's what's really happening right now Yeah, it's because money became more important.
It's like Is there enough money?
Are you making enough money?
If you're doing well, like if you're the head of a corporation, you're doing well, what is this constant need to make more money next year?
Do you know how insane that is?
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
That's so insane that they always have to continue to make more money, and that's like the ethic of the corporation.
That's the whole reason to have a corporation.
You have a duty to your shareholders.
You're supposed to make more money.
greg fitzsimmons
Every quarter has to be more.
There can't be a quarter where you go, hey, we're rebuilding.
It's like the fall, the winter, the spring, the seasons.
No.
joe rogan
Fuck you, pay me.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck you, pay me.
Every quarter is a summer.
There's no winter.
joe rogan
Yeah, no winter.
Fuck you, pay me.
Fuck you, pay me.
It's crazy that that's how medicine is run.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what sells medicine.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's what sells everything.
That's what sells cars.
That's what's convincing you to get a new cell phone.
unidentified
I got a new phone.
greg fitzsimmons
That's why it's funny when somebody like you gets rich.
Because you don't have the inclination to go, well, now I need twice as much of that.
Instead of that, like, I got to thank you.
Like, I did two shows for you this week at the thing, and you handed me some money.
And I got home, and I looked at it, and I was like, oh, Joe's ethos is, I got lucky...
Not lucky.
You earned it.
But you also, there was the luck of being in an industry of podcasting.
joe rogan
I got a lot of luck.
greg fitzsimmons
Which fucking exploded.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a lot of luck.
greg fitzsimmons
As you were the guy that was working the hardest and being the best at it.
But because of that, you've decided to open a comedy club that I know you're not going to make a lot of money in, but you're going to do it because it's a great building, developmental experience for young comics.
It'll be a place of community.
It'll be a place where you can hang with your boys.
joe rogan
Exactly.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's not about the money.
And it's so rare that somebody comes into money like you did and actually just enjoys it and uses it for good.
joe rogan
It's a trick.
You can get sucked into it and they'll start thinking that it's the only thing.
It'll start talking to you like, this is all you need, Greg.
greg fitzsimmons
You just need me.
joe rogan
Make more and more of me.
Concentrate on me and you'll have more of me.
Wouldn't you like a yacht, Greg?
Wouldn't you like a yacht?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh look, another zero.
joe rogan
There's a man ahead of you in the line.
Who has more money?
unidentified
We need to figure out a way to beat that man.
greg fitzsimmons
That man is weaker than you.
joe rogan
With comedy, man, the thing about it that I enjoy the most is the camaraderie and the fun and the new material and the putting on the good shows and having a good time with everybody.
And I'm like, that is something that...
I feel like when I moved here I'm like I want to invest in that.
Not just like invest in it in the sense of like do it all the time and do a lot of shows with my friends like you guys last night and you know we're gonna do Atlanta this weekend like just but also like to set a place where it's like encouraged supported and then you know that if you there's a clear path now it used to be you had to get a guy to help you and go on the road And,
you know, maybe if you did well at the club, they'd have you back to feature, and you ground it out for as many years as you could, and you try to get TV credits.
And some guys got TV credits before they really could headline, like me.
I had TV credits before I could headline.
So I was headlining, like, terrible.
Doing a bad job.
Because I really didn't have 45 solid minutes.
But now, with all these podcasts, particularly like with Kill Tony and all these other comedy podcasts, like if you're in the group of people and everybody talks about you and we're all having fun, we're doing shows together, you just get entered into the ecosystem.
Then you get featured on podcast, and then you get whatever it is, a Netflix.
As long as you're funny.
The whole thing is just being funny.
That's the hardest part.
And once it's there, my goal is to make it seem more obvious how you go from there to being a professional.
And then having it in a way where you're autonomous.
So you have your own podcast.
Because if you're autonomous, then you don't have to worry about not getting cast in this thing because you had a joke about that thing.
Because that holds people back.
And you start saying woke shit.
I know people that are like regular folks that will say woke shit either on stage or on Twitter because they want to affirm that they're in a part of this group of people that will continue to work in Hollywood.
So it's like, man, why are you saying that?
It's such an obvious thing to say.
You're saying this nonsensical fucking silly virtue signaling shit that everybody else says, but I know you're only doing it because you want to stay inside this group of people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and if your morality or your politics lines up with that type of thinking, do a joke that shows it.
Don't say it.
Don't state it.
joe rogan
And it's like— And they're stating something that's obvious, like racism is bad.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Right, right.
There's great ways to do jokes that show that racism is bad without ever having to, you know, put a fucking light on it.
joe rogan
But it's just like this thing that happens when people get scared.
And there's a lot of attacking going on, where people, they go to teams.
They get into this pattern and habit of joining teams.
And if you're in Team Hollywood, there's one way to decide about things.
It's the most progressive, most left-wing, most inclusive, most this, most that.
Poll it.
Poll it with young people.
Whatever kids in college think is the most important, that's what they're going to talk about.
And if you don't do that, you're fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
And what's funny about it is, That's not how most people think.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, we go to clubs in the Midwest.
We're going to Atlanta this weekend.
It's like, you go there, people aren't far right and they're not far left.
They're far in their garage.
They're far trying to get laid.
They're far trying to just get a raise.
joe rogan
Yes.
They want to go out with their friends and have fun.
They want to have a fun night on the town.
They want to fucking do sports.
They want to do shit that they like to do.
Most people don't give a fuck about most of these issues that everybody's freaking out about.
greg fitzsimmons
That's funny.
Sports is free of politics in that sense.
Like, there's not a team that you would...
joe rogan
Even when Tom Brady was a giant Trump supporter and people still loved him because he was just a bad motherfucker.
Even lefties who were football fans.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If he was thrown for Tampa Bay, you were fucking pumped.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know, that's Tom motherfucking Brady, bitch.
Who cares who he's friends with?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's that good.
It's like when Michael Jackson music comes on.
You know he might have been a pedophile, but it's like, damn, they still play it.
greg fitzsimmons
Although not for Colin Kaepernick.
I mean, there's an argument that he got driven out for his politics.
unidentified
Well, that, I don't...
joe rogan
I mean, is that...
How is his performance?
I don't know enough about football to comment on that.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, he was considered a first-rate starting quarterback.
joe rogan
And so they stopped using him because of his protests?
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it's questionable.
I mean, obviously, it's quantifiable to some degree.
I mean, you can look at a quarterback's rating and stuff like that.
That's interesting.
joe rogan
But if he was the best...
If he was the LeBron James of quarterbacks, if he was just like this undeniable motherfucker of motherfucker quarterbacks, I bet he would have got away with it.
greg fitzsimmons
He was on the bubble.
He was not an elite quarterback.
He's not the best of the best.
joe rogan
That's a wild thing to be good at, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Quarterback?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Aaron Rodgers is a buddy of mine who's a very, very smart guy.
Shockingly smart and peaceful and at ease.
Very in-the-moment guy.
Very interesting guy.
Intense guy, too.
But he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
And that dude is just so present.
It's very interesting.
Very interesting.
Because that job, man, you've got super athletes running at you, full clip, trying to take you out, and you're throwing a ball at people.
greg fitzsimmons
And you're a supercomputer.
You've got thousands of configurations of plays in your head that you're communicating to ten other guys in the ten seconds you have in that huddle, and then you have choices.
You've got scenario A, scenario B, scenario C, scenario D, and you're scanning all of it like a supercomputer.
While fucking 280 pound guys are running at you.
joe rogan
And you have to have like laser pinpoint precision with a spiraling ball.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a wild way to make a living.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I can see it being addictive.
Like, I can see why Tom Brady left and came back.
joe rogan
I can see it.
Easily.
I mean, I don't know what's going on.
You know, you read these stories in the news, you don't know how much of it is horseshit.
But, uh...
I... Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Brett Favre is in deep shit.
joe rogan
What did he do?
Just like a welfare fraud thing?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he was friends with the governor of, uh...
I don't know which governor it was.
What's that?
jamie vernon
Mississippi.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
Because he went to Southern Mississippi University or some college and his daughter's going there and she's a volleyball player and they needed a new gym or like a stadium for volleyball games.
And so he talked to the governor and they arranged to siphon money out of a fund that was like a welfare fund meant to feed poor people.
unidentified
Ha!
greg fitzsimmons
And they took like $6 million out of it and built a stadium.
And there's a whole text chain just, I mean, plain as day.
He even says at one point, like, is there any chance we're going to get caught for doing this?
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
greg fitzsimmons
And the governor's like, "Nah, don't worry about it.
We're good." Yeah.
And I mean, you think about a guy like that.
What is he making?
$20 million a year?
If you want a fucking volleyball stadium for your kid, you got that money.
You got it.
unidentified
Whew.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And he had a legacy.
joe rogan
That's like a jailable offense, isn't it?
greg fitzsimmons
Um...
joe rogan
I mean, is that one of those?
I mean, that seems like one of those ones that wouldn't just be a fine.
greg fitzsimmons
It seems like it.
joe rogan
If you're stealing from welfare?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that's the kind of stuff people go away for, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, especially because one of the millions of dollars went directly to him.
Yeah.
So, like, some of it went to the school and one of the millions went directly to him.
joe rogan
And he's already so wealthy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine how much money he would pay to not have that happen.
greg fitzsimmons
He'd pay half his money.
joe rogan
Yeah, if this scandal was about to go down right now and people found out, like, how much would you pay to not have that happen?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Definitely more than a million.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
He'd probably give you like two million.
Shut the fuck up.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, he's probably worth 30 or 40 million.
He'd probably give you half of that to not tarnish the reputation.
joe rogan
Forever.
And not only that, but might wind up in jail.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, there's a problem.
That needs to be addressed whenever it comes to football players, fighters, combat sports athletes, is that people with CTE oftentimes have very poor decision making.
It's very complex because everybody's version and severity of CTE is different.
But one of the side effects of having too many concussions is you become very impulsive.
And you start doing risky things, risky behaviors.
Sometimes people get addicted to substances and gambling and a lot of wild shit.
And it comes from like your brain being rattled.
Like it's just not working right.
Like you have all sorts of impulse control.
greg fitzsimmons
Makes sense.
joe rogan
So I think risky things like this might have been exciting, you know?
Like, you should have obviously morally known that's not the thing to do, but there's something, I think, for guys that have been hitting the head too many times, like risky things, like, oh, they just want...
If you're a guy and you've got all your jollies out of playing football, I mean you get all your jollies out of being this badass fucking quarterback or some badass running back and the amount of excitement On Super Bowl Day must be unfathomable to us mere mortals.
To us mere mortals, the excitement of being on that field and knowing that millions of people are going to be watching around the world.
Millions!
And there's 50, 60,000 people in that place screaming their fucking heads off.
And you're playing football at the highest level of the world.
Fuck, man.
You want a guy like that to just go back to normal life after he's been hit in the head 50 times?
greg fitzsimmons
Hey, I got my own mower now.
Yeah, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That guy is going to start gambling and going to whorehouses and storing coke and punching traffic attendants.
He's fucking bored out of his mind.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at Lenny Dykstra, man.
Shit.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck.
unidentified
How about fighters, man?
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, think about how excited you are to go to a Super Bowl.
Think about the excitement level that person has, and now you're the guy in the center of it.
And you got the possibility, if you win, of making an extra million in your bonus or whatever else.
There's so many factors going into that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot going on, and retiring from that has got to be incredibly difficult.
And that pales in comparison to someone who they ship overseas to fight in war and then bring them back to America and then just say, alright, you're done.
Just go be normal now.
greg fitzsimmons
Also with the head injuries.
joe rogan
Yeah, would you have a hundred combat engagements with the enemy?
You know, how many times did you have to shoot people?
And then you come back over here and you're supposed to be normal.
And when I talk to guys that have served and experienced combat duty and then come over here, I'm like, how much counseling do you get?
It's very little.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very little guidance.
Reach out if you need help.
There's numbers you can call.
But at the end of the day, it's like that's a complex transition to go from literal war, actual war, like shooting guns at enemy.
They're shooting guns at you.
You're in a foreign land situation.
You're going through mountains.
People are yelling things in languages you don't know.
And you're hearing guns going off.
And you might die today.
Or your friends might die today.
But for sure people you know are going to die.
greg fitzsimmons
And also part of your training, a big part of your training is to not feel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And so now you're coming back and you're being asked, hey...
Talk to us.
Let us know how you're feeling.
joe rogan
Good to go, sir.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
That's why they found that with trauma, with PTSD with soldiers, they found a thing called EMDR, which is a way of doing therapy that doesn't involve talk.
I mean, you talk...
But it's not about recognizing feelings.
It's about they give you...
It started with like, you remember like, watch this, the shrink would take the watch and go back and forth with it.
It's about connecting the two different sides of your brain together.
joe rogan
Have you ever been hypnotized?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
I have.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
My friend Vinnie Shorman put me under.
He does hypnosis for a lot of fighters.
He's like a mind coach for fighters.
Very interesting guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he explained to me what it was.
I go, all right, let's give it a shot.
So on my old studio, I lay down the couch and he talked me through like this, I forget exactly how he did it, but we went through this thing like, you know, you're going to be relaxed.
And next thing you know, I was in like a state of mind.
I was like, this is really fascinating.
It's almost like you have access with someone else.
When someone helps you and guides you, you have access to a state of mind that you don't achieve independently, or I didn't know how to achieve independently.
But it's an unusual state of mind.
It's a very real thing.
So when I got hypnotized, I was realizing as it was happening, this is interesting, because this is a very real thing.
So it was almost like you're on a drug.
It's like this drug that puts you in a different spot.
Like, oh, here's...
Let me unscrew you from your life.
I'm going to put you over here and now look at your life.
And I was like, wow.
I was like, oh, this is a real way of doing...
And then someone can talk to you logically.
And they can explain things to you and would make sense.
I think everybody's afraid they'd wake up with no pants on and like, what happened?
But I don't think it works like that.
greg fitzsimmons
So all of a sudden you're singing Madonna with no shirt on in front of a comedy club audience.
unidentified
I don't think it works like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was amazing, though.
We used to watch Frank Santos.
Frank Santos, yeah.
R-rated hypnotist from Rhode Island.
He was amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
His son does it now.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And this guy, he would literally get...
But wait, but just to stay on that, like, so what did he walk you through?
Did you have an epiphany?
Like, how similar is it to, like, doing mushrooms or something like that?
joe rogan
It's like a kind of a drug, maybe a little bit, but it doesn't feel scary.
It just feels relaxed, and you have some additional clarity, but it does feel like with someone's guidance...
You're allowed to escape from your mind and from your life in a weird way.
I feel like that's what it is.
Like when someone's talking you through it, it's like there's a thing about someone, like you're letting someone guide your brain.
And this is what I said about comedy before too.
When someone's killing on stage, like when Joey Diaz is killing on stage, I'm thinking the way he's thinking.
That's why it's so fun.
It's because I'm not really calculating anything.
I'm letting him control my brain.
I'm letting him and his material take me for a ride.
And that's what a hypnotist is doing.
It's like you're letting them take you for this ride of peaceful, introspective thinking and clarity on your life.
That's how it felt to me.
I was like, so this is like a mindset that can be achieved this way.
I mean, maybe it could be achieved by yourself.
I don't know how to do it, but I don't know much about achieving psychedelic states through breathing.
I really haven't really tried much other than some yoga breathing exercises that make you feel a little high.
But people trip balls from breathing exercises.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you know, Annie Letterman's got some hypnotist that does finances.
That helps you deal.
Because money is everything.
They'd say psychologically it's a great place to start.
Like when you come into a shrink and you negotiate the price you're going to pay them, that's the first step of your therapy because they can tell so much about you by your relationship to money.
How much you hold on to it.
How much it scares you.
And so she's got this therapist that she's worked with that she says is amazing that puts her under and then...
She said she's made a lot of money since she started working with her.
joe rogan
Interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Interesting.
So the therapist is a capitalist.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine if you are tripping yourself up less, you'll make more money.
If you're not getting in your own way.
Because one of the things you find about talented people that get freaked out by success is that they'll start to sabotage.
They'll start to fuck things up.
They'll show up, miss a flight.
They start getting a little crazy.
It's the fear of fucking up once you've already started becoming successful.
And people start becoming self-saboteurs.
greg fitzsimmons
Drugs.
joe rogan
If you just stop that from happening, you would just naturally have an escalation in your career.
If you're good and you're getting better, you'll continue to get better.
If you keep working, you keep showing discipline, you keep having new material, you'll be fine.
But along the way, it's the getting in your own way stuff that fucks people up.
And if your therapist could just pull that out, Stop getting your own way.
Just not alone, you'd make more money.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it also has to do with, like my father said to me when I was growing up, we're talking about how successful some people get.
And he said, everybody is at the level that they think they should be at.
And so you can start to become successful and get scared and go, I don't belong up there.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And so you have to somehow reframe where you see yourself ending up.
joe rogan
Yeah, or not think about it at all like I do.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just don't think about it.
I think too many people think too much about where they want to be.
I just think you should think about being better at what you do.
I think being better at what you do is a real thing because being where you want to be, you never feel like you're there.
Trust me.
No matter where you go, you always want more.
It just never ends.
The only thing that makes sense to me is concentrating on being better at what you do.
So for me, it's like the things that I concentrate the most is like stand-up and podcasts.
And then with the UFC commentary...
Man, that job is like, I'm just lucky to be a professional fan.
So all I have to do is just like know who's fighting, what their styles are like, and the thing is playing out.
I mean, I have very little to do with the thing, you know?
So that job is just like a beautiful...
Being a fan, reaction job.
But for podcasts and comedy, if I started thinking about goals where I want to be in four years and this and that, then I'd be thinking about that instead of thinking about new material.
Or I'd be thinking about that instead of thinking about, I want to be stimulated by this kind of guest.
I want to talk to this guy about this subject.
I'm watching this documentary and maybe I can get him to expand on that and explain it to me.
That's the only way it's good to me.
And that's the only reason why I think it's good, period.
Why it works.
Because I don't think about it.
greg fitzsimmons
Every time I've been frustrated with where I'm at career-wise, I write some new shit, I go to the club, I do it, and all of a sudden something happens.
joe rogan
Yes!
greg fitzsimmons
It's not necessarily like there's some talent agent with a cigar in the back going, this kid's a star!
It's just more of an energy that you're putting out because your juices are flowing and your confidence is up because you're realizing what you're capable of.
joe rogan
You just have to overcome resistance.
And that's one of the terms that Steven Pressfield uses in The War of Art.
The War of Art, not to be confused with The Art of War.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, you gave me that book once.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he talks about resistance.
And that's, the resistance is the thing that keeps you from writing.
The resistance is the thing that keeps you from doing those sets that you know you should go do.
You know, oh man, it's Tuesday night, I want to go out.
Go do that set.
Do it.
Do it.
You need to do it.
And then write.
And then write.
And then the universe will reward you.
That feeling of resistance, the feeling you get when you write something new that you know is going to be funny is one of the best feelings ever.
It's so good.
You're like, oh shit, I got one.
It's like I caught a fish through the ice.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like getting late.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing.
And so then you know that you were rewarded for overcoming that resistance.
But so often you just want to like jerk off or watch a movie or eat a pizza or play a video game.
But if you could just force yourself to sit in front of that fucking computer.
Whenever I do, I come up with something.
A punchline, a tagline, a new premise.
Something.
If I could just sit there for two hours, just two hours, just drink some coffee, smoke a little weed, and just sit there for two hours, something's gonna happen, man.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what's amazing.
When I look at people that, like you, Bill Burr, people that really, Louis C.K., people that really create at a high level.
Like, it is the ability to not eat that pizza or play that video game.
And there's something in most people that can't resist that.
And it goes back, I can remember being in college and having a fucking term paper due.
And instead, going out for a beer or jerking off or whatever.
And, you know, and I'm like, you know, I don't know what that is.
I don't know if that's completely innate or if that's something you can build on.
joe rogan
You can build on it.
100% you can build on it.
It's like what you were saying before about being as wealthy or successful, rather, as you think you should be.
That everyone is as successful as they think they should be eventually.
I think it's similar to that.
I think you just decide that you're this person that fucks things up and you continue to fuck things up because that's your past.
One thing I've said before that I had to learn very early on Because, you know, when I was a kid, I got bullied a lot and, you know, I was kind of very timid and worried about people kicking my ass because we moved around a lot.
And then I became a martial artist.
And then in the process of becoming a martial artist, I realized, like, I would still get nervous when I was around people who bullied me before when I was younger.
Like, I didn't feel like...
I should have been just like, hey, fuckface, but I was still nervous around them, even though I knew I could kill them.
I was still nervous around them because I programmed myself to feel like a loser when I was in this town when I was around these people when I was in like a certain like I had like a Triggered memory and I was like oh And it made me realize like you can decide you are your worst failures or you can decide that you're you you're you right now Don't hold on to that.
That's a valuable lesson.
It sucked when someone kicked your ass or when you fell on your ass and looked like a fucking loser in front of everybody.
But those moments are very important for who you are right now.
But it doesn't mean you're still that person.
Some people are never separate from their worst memories.
The biggest mistakes, getting their ass kicked in front of...
People have gotten their ass kicked in high school and never recovered.
Never recovered.
Have been a confidence mess their whole life.
Been shell-shocked from one ass kicking.
Especially if they deserved it.
You know, they're picking on some guy and he fucking beats their ass and he gets on YouTube.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
You might never recover.
You will constantly be in your mind.
You at your worst moment.
Instead of having the ability to come back, talk to that guy and go, dude, I was a fucking piece of shit and thank you for kicking my ass.
You're right.
I was in the wrong.
I shouldn't have been a bully.
I was a dick.
I don't even know why I'm doing it.
I'm only 17. I'm a fucking idiot.
I'm growing and learning.
But I'm not your enemy.
That's a beautiful moment that everyone's denied.
You're not going to see that YouTube video.
You're only going to see the video of that guy who deserved it getting his ass kicked.
And for that guy, that moment, when people experience a bad moment in their life, That moment when it's something as brutal as getting your ass kicked when you deserved it, that could fucking define you forever.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, not only as a kid, but I think about...
We were talking about guys and women that have gone on SNL, and after a year or two, it doesn't work out, and then they just become ghosts in the comedy world.
And then you look at Shane Gillis...
Who didn't even get on the show, but had a traumatic experience of almost getting on the show, and how he dealt with that, and how he recovered, and how he rose from those ashes, and how he got stronger.
And then you got the guys that are still, that's still their credit, that they were on SNL, and you're like, I don't remember you on SNL, and it was like 12 years ago, and they never got back on the horse again.
They lost their confidence.
joe rogan
That SNL thing is a totally different environment, and if you've ever heard Jim Brewer talk about it, Jim talked about on this podcast that he would come up with premises for sketches and he'd be working on a sketch and so you have to put in like a database everything you're working on and other writers would steal those premises and write their own sketches on those premises and just like take just hamstring them yeah and he confronted them and there was like yelling and screaming and Eventually his wife talked him into leaving but Jim
Brewer is a great example though of a guy Who, because he left Saturday Night Live, people kind of slept on him.
And they forgot that he's one of the best comics alive.
unidentified
That dude is so funny, man.
joe rogan
He's so fucking good.
unidentified
And he's such a good guy.
joe rogan
What you see is what you get.
He's a rock-solid human being.
He's a great guy.
And he became more famous over time just through like the accumulation of videos getting out there because he doesn't promote himself.
He doesn't try.
He doesn't give a fuck.
He's like a genuine person.
He was happy to just go and he has a legion of fans so he can go sell out comedy clubs any fucking time he wants.
He shows up in here and there and he's just killing it for the weekend and goes back home to Jersey and relaxed.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's out in the country.
joe rogan
And then when the pandemic hit and all the craziness in Jersey, he bailed and went to Florida.
He's like, fuck it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
And now he's dead in a tornado.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, sorry.
joe rogan
That's not funny.
greg fitzsimmons
Is he in Florida now?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's in Florida.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Imagine if he died.
I feel like such a piece of shit.
greg fitzsimmons
The last stop.
joe rogan
Why don't I feel like, I should feel like a piece of shit that everybody died there.
There's like, how many deaths have happened in that hurricane?
greg fitzsimmons
I don't think that many.
joe rogan
Did you see Don Lemon was trying to talk some climate scientist into saying that this hurricane is because of climate science?
And he's like, I'm not – it's not exactly how it works.
I'm just trying to explain to you what is going on and this is the hurricane and we can cover that more broadly.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
Every time there's a cold day, all of the climate deniers say, oh, where's your global warming?
And then every time there's a hurricane, everybody on the left is like, well, this is...
joe rogan
Dude, that is a complex issue.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a complex issue that we're in danger of getting ideologically boxed into.
Because no one is ever going to deny that climate change is going to have a giant effect on humans.
And it seems to be increasing.
greg fitzsimmons
No one's ever going to deny that?
There's a lot of people denying that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but no one's logical.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, it's happening.
But what I'm saying is, like, the temperature is rising.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is why people want to ignore the fact that it's always done this.
Like humans have, without a doubt, we have an effect on that.
With carbon emissions are up and who knows what the fuck the gas is in the air and all the crazy shit we do with mass production and energy consumption.
But it's always been up and down.
I had this guy, Steve Coonan, on the podcast, who's a physicist, and he wasn't even a climate scientist.
He's just a guy who just decided to examine the models.
And he's like, if you go thousands of years, it's all crazy.
It's all like this and that.
It's up by this many degrees and down by that many degrees.
It's never stable, ever.
When there was humans living in fucking caves, it was never stable.
But when they were looking at it over a hundred years, you can get these crazy spikes.
You're like, oh my God, look, we started using gas powered cars and it was going up and up.
But if you go a thousand years, that's totally normal.
All that stuff's normal.
The question is how much of an impact do we have on it?
That's not totally being quantified.
They're not exactly sure.
They know it's a significant impact, but they know this is happening anyway.
And the Ice Age happened anyway.
The Ice Age happened without us.
It didn't have anything to do with us.
It's going to happen again.
It's probably going to happen again.
It's probably this constant cycle.
X-many thousands of years, this happens, and then X-many thousands of years, that happens.
And that's why the fucking Sahara Desert used to be a rainforest.
Did you know that?
That giant ass fucking desert in Africa, that was all tropical.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
All that stuff's like that.
That's a constant shifting from these tropical rainforests into deserts and then back and forth over thousands and thousands of years.
We just look at things through this tiny little window of history.
What we wrote down.
What do we know?
What do we know?
It's hot this time of year, said Doris in 1822. We don't have satellite Doppler radar from 1822. So we have this window of a couple of hundred years of people paying attention and writing shit down.
But then when they do core samples of the Earth and they find the Earth's temperature, they try to do the calculations over thousands of years.
It's always shifting.
It's always going crazy.
This whole fucking world used to be connected in one island.
Pangea.
It was one big thing, they think.
And it just separated slowly in his land.
This is chaos!
Like, it's always changing.
It has nothing to do with electric cars.
It's always changing.
And if you buy one of those fucking houses on stilts, and you're in Santa Monica or Malibu, like, good luck, bitch!
What a risk you're taking!
That shit's gonna move!
It's gonna move in on A mile!
greg fitzsimmons
Ten miles!
Dude, there's a lot of cities like Miami, they're already saying, like, when there's a full moon and a high tide, the fucking downtown is, like, underwater.
Like, that's a big city.
This is, like, now.
You know?
joe rogan
Dude, it's so crazy.
And the ground in Miami around that area is porous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, when the water goes up, it's going to go through the ground.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, it's not like something's going to stop it.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's just going to go right through the ground.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a swamp.
You guys have a giant, awesome city on a swamp.
greg fitzsimmons
And they were told years ago, they looked at it and they were like, people shouldn't live here.
And they're like, no, no, this is great.
This is great.
And they sold land to everybody.
joe rogan
The crazy thing is they're still selling land.
So what do they know?
It's like the bankers aren't stupid.
They would consult with people to try to figure out if someone's going to default on their loans, if they're going to sell them property right there on the beach.
Because of, you know, the insurance companies get involved.
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
How much is this house?
50 million.
Jesus Christ.
How many feet is it from the water?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
10 feet.
10 feet from the water.
unidentified
So you're...
joe rogan
You're willing to bet $50 million that that water doesn't move any closer than 10 feet?
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe go 20 feet.
joe rogan
You know how close 10 feet is, bitch?
10 feet is this desk, this is the water, and Jamie is your fucking house.
This is the ocean.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, what about the people that are in New Orleans that are rebuilding?
Like, rebuilding for what?
joe rogan
I think it's the vibe.
New Orleans is another country.
I mean, it really feels like those people get to drink on the street.
They have that cool way of talking.
They got great food.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm going there next Friday.
joe rogan
It's dangerous there.
greg fitzsimmons
It's my second time ever being there.
joe rogan
Dangerous crime-wise.
They're not doing so good with the crime.
But as far as the vibe of the city, man, I know people that just swear by it.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But what's nice is like, when I think about how many times me and my jackass friends have gone to Vegas, and you always come home feeling like had.
You just feel that emptiness of like leaving a strip club of like, what did I just do?
And then you think you could spend that same money and go to a place like New Orleans or Nashville, where there's like a real culture, where there's like real shit that's...
joe rogan
Well, that's why people like to visit Austin, go see the live music.
There's so much live music here.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, we went out the other night.
It was fun.
joe rogan
Goddamn, there's so many musicians here.
There's so many talented people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a crazy town in that regard.
But to have a thing that you could do like that is, yeah, that's fun.
Go have a few drinks.
Go to a real thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The problem with Vegas is it's like everyone's like, it's Vegas!
So it's like you're at a 24-7 New Year's Eve show.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know those New Year's Eve shows?
I don't like them.
I don't do them anymore.
I stopped doing them.
I did one a couple years back, and they were great.
People were great.
But there's a thing where it's like, it's New Year's!
It's not just a show.
It's like this thing on top of the show.
greg fitzsimmons
It's bigger than the show, yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody wants to scream and yell.
How much is it affecting your life?
This weird capturing of time in calendars and watches and cell phones.
Like, how weird is that?
Because it's just, time is this.
Right there.
Right now.
That's it.
That's time.
All that other shit, like, this year is this year, and I've done that for six months.
That's all in your head.
greg fitzsimmons
It's my birthday!
joe rogan
Yeah, oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Who gives a fuck?
unidentified
The worst.
joe rogan
Bitch, you had one birthday.
It was 32 years ago.
Let it go.
greg fitzsimmons
Why are you interrupting my dinner with your cake?
I'm not singing.
joe rogan
Leave everyone alone.
greg fitzsimmons
You think these fucking three busboys want to be singing right now?
There's tables that need to be cleaned up.
joe rogan
Bro, that's a game changer for me.
If there's a buddy and he gets mad that I didn't wish him a happy birthday, we're not talking anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You need to go to a doctor.
unidentified
Whatever's really bothering you.
joe rogan
Aren't we men?
I mean, aren't we men?
greg fitzsimmons
What the fuck are you talking about?
How underappreciated do you feel that you need us all to say happy birthday to you and you're 47?
That's not even a thing.
That's not even a round number.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here with your birthday.
greg fitzsimmons
I have not gone out for my birthday.
I mean, I'll go out with my wife, maybe.
But, like, I would not ask my friends to get together and buy me a present.
joe rogan
I would not ask my friends to do anything.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think your friends are supposed to just be your friends.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, if I need some help with something, I'll ask my friends for something.
I don't need a fucking friend to give me a happy birthday party.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hey, bro.
You know, I just think it'd be really cool if you, uh...
Threw me a birthday party this year.
I mean, you're my best friend, and no one's ever thrown me a birthday party, and I figured if I was going to come to anybody, I'd come to you.
Just really like it to be at Wow Wings.
And it could be 80s theme.
greg fitzsimmons
It'd be really cool if it was 80s theme, and everybody dressed like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, we all dress like old video games.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Fuck out of here.
Go to a doctor.
I got registered at William Sonoma.
joe rogan
Oh, the registered!
Go to a doctor.
Women talk so much shit about when women register.
Oh, look what this bitch registered.
Look what she's trying to get at.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like you're airing your needs.
Look what you need.
A douche?
You register for a douche?
joe rogan
You're hoping somebody goes off.
Hoping someone goes off.
So you include some high items, high value items, just in case.
Just in case there's some well-heeled individuals coming to my big shindang.
greg fitzsimmons
And then it shames everybody else because they see the big ticket item and then they buy you some utensils.
joe rogan
Do you see that Mackenzie Bezos got divorced again?
greg fitzsimmons
Is that Jeff Bezos' wife?
joe rogan
Jeff Bezos' ex-wife.
greg fitzsimmons
She got remarried and now she's divorced?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a bit about it that I had to bail on the bit because I felt mean and personal.
It's not mean.
The bit is that a woman worth $39 billion in the divorce settlement and then she immediately married a high school science teacher.
So the bit was about a woman worth $39 billion marrying a dude worth $3,200.
I was like, that guy doesn't have shit to say in that relationship.
I'm like, that guy doesn't get to pick any of the color of the walls.
And I'm like, you know, I know.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a one-sided 69 position.
joe rogan
Yeah, because the way I know is because I don't get to pick anything in my house.
My wife doesn't even work.
That guy's fucked.
Like, he has zero chance.
If she's that rich, I'm like, that guy's on his best behavior.
I go, he's got his pronouns in his Twitter bio.
He's drinking white wine.
He's neutered.
greg fitzsimmons
He's planning her birthday party a year in advance.
joe rogan
I'm like, that guy's a performance artist.
He's putting on a show.
He knows how much money she has.
I'm like, how long can you be cool?
Well, it turns out, 24 months.
He couldn't keep it together.
There's no way you could be yourself if your wife is worth $39 billion.
It's just too hard to be yourself.
Too hard!
greg fitzsimmons
Why is there a Lamborghini in the staff parking lot?
I want one!
You want $39 billion!
joe rogan
She's just fully committed to social justice and prison reform.
She's really kind of a beautiful soul in that regard.
She's a very, very wealthy woman who's committed to philanthropy, and she's spending all this money, billions of dollars on affordable housing, on really cool stuff.
It's really cool to see what she's doing.
She's keeping a lot of money!
She's got plenty of money!
greg fitzsimmons
Give him a fucking Lamborghini!
joe rogan
Come on!
greg fitzsimmons
Come on, he's late for school!
joe rogan
The guy was a science teacher.
He's probably fascinated by engineering.
unidentified
Why not?
joe rogan
You're supposed to live like a baller!
I remember Joey Diaz got mad at us once when we were talking about micro houses.
About people who live off the grid and they live in these little...
What the fuck are you talking about, micro house?
Get a fucking house.
You're a baller.
You want a mansion, cocksucker.
unidentified
You want people to walk over your house and go, look at this motherfucker's house.
joe rogan
That's what you want.
greg fitzsimmons
I was like, he's right!
joe rogan
Jeff Bezos, his ex-wife.
greg fitzsimmons
He should have a fucking laboratory behind the house with just all kinds of animals.
joe rogan
Buy him shit, Mackenzie!
Buy him a Lambo!
But the thing is, you can't because then everyone knows.
See, you get caught in that trap of philanthropy where you're not allowed to be a consumption person anymore.
greg fitzsimmons
You can't fly private jets now if you're a philanthropist.
joe rogan
Especially not the Climate Accords.
You find out how many people flew private jets to Climate Accords?
Christ, people.
This is terrible messaging.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's like, if you get in that world, you can't wear some crazy expensive watch and some crazy expensive purse.
You can't do the flashy, showy things that billionaire women like to do.
Billionaire women like to wear like half-million-dollar watches.
You know, they walk around with things that are covered in diamonds and shit.
That's what they like.
They like to show all those other bitches.
Look at all this shit I got.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, your yacht's 150 feet, ours is 210 feet, motherfucker!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Jeff Bezos just built the biggest yacht in the world.
greg fitzsimmons
I just read about that.
joe rogan
They were gonna deconstruct a bridge to get it through.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
And people got so angry- Were they building it in Italy?
I think it was in Netherlands.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
Oh yeah, the Netherlands.
joe rogan
But that's what you do.
That's what you do when you get that kind of cash.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, there was an article in The New Yorker about these super yachts, and it said that there was some guy that was like, it's the ultimate way of saying, oh, you got a house in the Hamptons, I got a house in the Hamptons.
You got a driver, I got a driver.
You got a helicopter, you got a helicopter.
How big is your yacht?
They're like, that's what it really comes down to these days.
joe rogan
Because the amount of money involved in yacht life If you go on Yacht Life, the amount of money is insane.
These are people that are making like $100 million a year.
Like, it's that kind of money to run a yacht.
I have a buddy who's got a yacht.
He's very wealthy.
And it's very strange.
greg fitzsimmons
How much time does he spend on it?
joe rogan
A lot.
He loves it.
I mean, he's fortunate enough that he runs a bunch of successful things that he can do them remotely.
So he's more of like a manager at this point.
You know, he just like handles all these various entities that he runs.
But he's very successful.
greg fitzsimmons
Because that's the thing.
In the old days, if you were rich and you bought a yacht, you couldn't go on it.
You needed to be running your business.
And now you can do that shit from Zoom.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is he's very successful, but he knows how to have fun.
And he knows the value of relaxation and fun.
And he's set it up well.
Just because he's smart.
So he parties.
So he likes to get drunk.
So he just fucking has this giant house that floats on the ocean.
And he has a whole staff that works for him there.
It's a weird life, man.
But you're like, damn, I could get used to this.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you been on it?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
Yeah, I hung out with him.
Our families are friends, too, so we all hung out together.
So it was just like being on there like, man, this is a wild life.
You get used to this.
But things like, where do you go from there?
And I think that's the thing about money people, people that are just interested in money.
It's like you constantly want the new, bigger, crazier thing.
I get that a yacht would be amazing.
Don't get me wrong.
But what I'm saying is, when you keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, what are you doing?
Do you ever get to the yacht that's like, this is the perfect size yacht.
We're good.
You know, let's just have fun together.
No.
No, you just want another.
You want a supersonic jet.
I heard they're coming out with supersonic private jets.
You're going to be able to go anywhere in the world in four hours.
Let's go.
And then you got to be the first guy with a supersonic jet.
Jeff Bezos is going to have one.
He's going to paint it like a dick.
That's what he's going to do.
Just big, veiny dick.
Just fucking...
You know how much it must kill him watching his ex-wife giving away all that money?
greg fitzsimmons
Do you think she did a prenup?
She must have done a crazy prenup with that teacher.
joe rogan
I hope so.
greg fitzsimmons
Even if he gets one ten-thousandth of her money, he'll be worth $20 million.
joe rogan
I hope that dude walks around with gold chains and fucking open shirts from now on.
I hope he goes full heel.
Just Ric Flair in the 90s.
greg fitzsimmons
Woo!
He's at the chalkboard.
His pointer's made of gold.
It's got diamonds on it.
joe rogan
No more teaching.
Well, that's one of the things in the bit where I was saying, like, you know the guy, like, you know, who she wants him to be is like this cool science teacher.
But you can't be that once you're married a lady worth $39 billion.
So you quit your job.
So you quit.
Please stop teaching.
greg fitzsimmons
And now he's got no identity.
He's the guy that hangs around the house.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a tricky relationship.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when a woman's worth that much more than you.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
I mean, that's not like, she makes 100 grand a year, but I make 75. You know?
No, no, no, no, no.
She has 38 billion.
greg fitzsimmons
Shit.
joe rogan
That's a lot of moolah, son.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And for a woman like that, it's probably very difficult to know for sure if a man is sincere.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's wolves out there.
There's male and female wolves.
There's gold diggers, but there's men that'll scam on a woman like that.
That's a target.
People will move to her town to try to coordinate a potential serendipitous meeting.
greg fitzsimmons
Join the right yoga class.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
It gets sketchy.
Because if someone's a con man, Or someone's just sociopathic and they have a plan.
If you have a plan to start a business, what's the plan?
The plan is I'm going to do this and that and that and I'm going to make a bunch of money.
I have a plan to marry that lady because she's worth $39 billion.
It's kind of a business, right?
Being a gold digger is a business.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It really is.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, there was this great podcast about this guy down in Orange County.
And he had just got out of prison.
He was homeless.
And he found this rich lady.
And he just came up with a plan.
And he tracked her.
And he started...
I forgot how he met her.
But he had moved in within three days.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
And he just said that he lived in the desert.
Like, he had a house, a big mansion in the desert.
And he bought...
And he had scrubs.
And so he wore scrubs and said he was a doctor.
But he wasn't a doctor.
He just bought fucking...
Scrubs and he'd leave every day and pretend he was going to the hospital.
And he ended up killing her.
Wait, did he kill her?
I think he killed her.
And then there's a crazy final scene where the daughter knows about him and they're in a fucking empty parking garage.
And he tries to kill her and she fucking kills him.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Or she at least stabs him where he's incapacitated and gets away.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
And he had done it serially.
He had done it with a number of women.
joe rogan
There was a show once where they were following this guy who got scammed by those guys pretending to be women online and engaging in relationships with men where they'll send them correspondence and photos and talk to them.
I can't wait to meet you.
No.
What are you talking about?
greg fitzsimmons
Men pretending to be women?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen to me.
They're scammers.
And so they contact lonely men.
And they pretend to be a woman.
Like Nigerian scammers.
And they send photos.
You know, they just steal a bunch of girls' photos from Facebook.
So this poor guy went to Europe.
He was a divorced man.
and i think he was a widower and he was like in his 60s and he went to europe twice to meet with this woman and every time she had an excuse why she couldn't meet him and he went back again and the the girl's daughter was just so despondent because he's all of his money he didn't have much but all his money he's sending to her he's sending her twenty thousand dollars she has to get out of this and that and some people are coming after her She's really in trouble and she owes money.
Could you please help?
And he's helping her.
We're going to get together, my darling.
We're going to be together forever.
And then he would go there and she couldn't make it.
greg fitzsimmons
I couldn't go.
joe rogan
My mother got sick.
This poor fucking guy believed.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
And it wasn't even a good scam.
Wasn't even like physical contact, right?
Yeah, but a physical contact scam where someone could pretend they love you and you're lonely and like finally my prayers have been answered.
This person who's so amazing and then everyone's like, listen, I think Mark might be full of shit.
Fuck you!
Mark's amazing!
All they think about is how good they feel now that Mark's in their life.
Mark gives them back rubs.
greg fitzsimmons
Loneliness is a painful thing.
I mean, of all the human emotions to feel, loneliness is at the top of things you don't want to sit with.
And if somebody can come in and they can alleviate that and they can make you feel loved and cared about, Yeah, but it's romantic affection.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter how successful you are.
See, that's all nonsense.
Because once you're successful enough where you don't have to worry about food and money and housing, everything else is nonsense.
So the success doesn't help the loneliness.
As a matter of fact, it probably accentuates it.
Because it's a thing that everybody always thinks is going to make them happy.
Like, the thing that people think is going to make them happy is success.
Like, one day I'll be the boss, then I'll be happy.
Like, no.
You're gonna be happy or you're not gonna be happy.
You'll be happier having achieved your goals, but that's not gonna make you happy.
And so if you're already a rich lady and you're just rotting with loneliness, You're a drug addict who you never get cured.
You never get free of the pull of heroin.
You need it.
We all need it.
It's the worst thing they could do to you in jail.
You're in a fucking metal and cement box filled with rapists and murderers.
The worst thing they could do is leave you alone.
We're connected to each other.
And if you don't get that love from people...
I remember when I moved to LA in 94...
I came out here to do this television show and we were out here for like two weeks and I was staying in the Oakwood Gardens apartments and I didn't have any friends so I'd go to the Comedy Store at night and I would hang out there and I'd try to do a set and I was what's called a non-paid regular which means I could go up after the show because Mitzi wasn't sure about me yet and so I was doing that and I had no real interaction with anybody and then this girl that I was working with One of the other actresses on the set,
she gave me a hug.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was the best hug anybody ever gave me in my life.
It was totally just loving, non-sexual, non-flirty, just a, you're my friend, here's a hug.
And I was like, oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, oh my God.
I'll never forget that feeling because I was like, oh my God, I needed that.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, I got one of those out here the other day.
What's, I'm spacing the woman's name who used to work at the store.
joe rogan
You give hugs like that.
I love hugging you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah, I like hugging you.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because we love each other.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We've been friends for so long.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep, I know.
joe rogan
When I hug you, it's a warm hug.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And there's no back padding.
joe rogan
Nah, there's no bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
There's no, hey bro.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
But that woman, what's the woman's name?
She used to work at the store and now she's out here and I think she's going to manage.
joe rogan
Carrie Mitchell.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She's the best.
greg fitzsimmons
She gave me a nice hug the other night.
joe rogan
Oh, she's the best.
She's the best.
I'm so glad we got her out here.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We got a great crew.
greg fitzsimmons
You got a good crew.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We got all the all-stars.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Yeah, and we haven't even started yet.
I mean, everything's going great already.
You know, the scene here is incredible.
There's like 12 world-class comics living here, man.
greg fitzsimmons
I've seen it.
I've been doing shows here the last three nights, and it's just crazy.
And now you got Brian out here.
joe rogan
Brian Simpson is a motherfucker, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
He's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
He's coming with me to London.
greg fitzsimmons
He's like Mike Tyson.
He just comes at you.
Slow and steady.
Straight at you.
joe rogan
Such good writing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the writing's good.
And his attitude.
He does not give a fuck on stage.
joe rogan
No.
Well, he's free now.
Because now he's successful.
And now he's got a Netflix special.
And now he's killing it on the road.
And he's killing it on stage.
Like, he's free.
And he's doing it the right way.
He just works every day.
Always writing.
Always writing.
greg fitzsimmons
And he moved here.
joe rogan
Yep.
Moved here.
greg fitzsimmons
Crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a good spot, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Comedy decentralized.
Comedy separated from Hollywood is the best comedy.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like it's the freest.
The audiences at the...
What's the called?
unidentified
Vulcan.
greg fitzsimmons
At the Vulcan.
You walk out and they are literally...
They look like when you're about to feed puppies.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
They just look up at you like, I'm so excited you're about to make me laugh, as opposed to being in LA where the arms are crossed and they're like, you're not Sebastian Maniscalco.
joe rogan
These are real people.
Texas has real people in them, and I didn't think that was a thing.
I thought, you know, I go here, I have a good time, that's fun, but there is a general attitude that people have here that is way healthier.
They're just regular people.
greg fitzsimmons
It is weird, the schism in Austin between, like, I was talking about the other night, like, the cab drivers.
The Uber driver always wants to tell you how Austin used to be better.
So you've got, like, these OG Austin people that are, like, flip-flop wearing pot t-shirts.
And then you've got, like, the guys with the loafers and the dress shirt tucked in.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tech guys.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, there's a lot of those people around.
A lot of banker guys.
Adam was just telling me about his apartment.
He was in an apartment and they jacked up the rent 40% on him in one year.
And I said that to a couple of people and they were like, oh no, that's standard the last couple of years.
unidentified
Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
The rent is going up that much.
joe rogan
Well, there's that much of a demand because so many people moved here.
And there's not a lot of houses to buy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's tricky.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, when I was up...
joe rogan
Because some people get mad at you.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, when I was upstairs watching Brian Simpson last night, and he goes, so I lived in LA, but I just moved out here from California, and a guy, under his breath, just goes, fuck you.
unidentified
Ah! Ah!
joe rogan
But Tony Hinchcliffe's at a bar the other night.
Some guy comes up to him and he goes, hey, what's up, Tony?
And Tony goes, oh, hey, how you doing, man?
unidentified
And he goes, fuck you for ruining my city.
joe rogan
And he goes, oh, I didn't know it was your city.
He goes, how long you live here?
The guy goes, 11 years.
He goes, thanks for keeping it warm for us.
We'll take it from here.
unidentified
He just tapped him out.
greg fitzsimmons
We'll take it from here.
joe rogan
11 years.
Bitch, get the fuck out of here.
We've been here for two.
Shut the fuck up.
That's basically the same thing.
greg fitzsimmons
New York was like that, too.
All these people come from Iowa and moved to Brooklyn for 10 years.
joe rogan
Ari talks about that.
He said, those are the people that yell out at the store.
Boo!
Or at the cellar.
They don't like your premise.
greg fitzsimmons
Boo!
joe rogan
You can't wait to have blue hair.
Yeah It's just people man Some people are gross.
Some people just, no matter what, they're on a team and they're gross.
And they can't help themselves.
It's just like they're surrounded by stupid people.
That's what they've absorbed.
Those are the patterns they've got in their head.
They've never done anything that challenged them to break out of whatever pattern they're on.
And sometimes you run into them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And oftentimes they're in the crowd and they want to get drunk and yell out stupid shit.
greg fitzsimmons
It's so freeing when you can see them for what they are, though, and just laugh right in their faces.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, like, I... God, I heard these two guys...
I'm staying in a...
I won't say what hotel, but you put me in a very nice hotel here in town.
And I walked past the lobby and these two guys, no, four guys, and they all had the dress shirts on and they all look like they do like, what do you call that workout now?
joe rogan
Crossfit?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, they do like Crossfit and they're all like tan and they all have crew cuts.
unidentified
And I just hear one guy go, well, what about the capitalization?
greg fitzsimmons
And I just stopped and I went, yeah, what about the capitalization?
And then I just turned out and walked away.
unidentified
LAUGHTER Fucking communist.
joe rogan
That guy's probably a liberal.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What's he doing in this hotel?
He doesn't belong in this hotel.
joe rogan
Probably losing money.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Someone else is paying for it, I bet.
Well, probably.
joe rogan
I'd like to see his fucking portfolio.
I bet it's shit.
unidentified
I bet he's heavily weighted in small tech cap stocks.
joe rogan
I bet that fucking idiot invested in Bitcoin.
greg fitzsimmons
That's one bullet I dodged.
joe rogan
The thing that gets me is the NFT thing.
People that want to sell NFTs and want you to be in a partnership with an NFT with me.
I'm like, what are you saying?
I don't even know what you're saying.
greg fitzsimmons
Want to get on a spaceship with me?
joe rogan
I've had 80 people explain it to me now.
I'm like, I don't get it.
I get that guy, Beeple.
You know what he does?
Beeple does, do you know who he is?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Dude, it's the shit.
That guy does a new piece of digital art every single day.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh.
joe rogan
So if you buy an NFT from Beeple, first of all, you're buying a physical piece of art.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
And you could put it in your NFT wallet or whatever the fuck that is.
But what he's doing is creating a gallery.
He has a legitimate gallery filled with this digital art.
It's amazing shit.
And he's so dedicated to it.
He puts out one piece every fucking day, no matter what.
Always.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's all like that kind of stuff?
Illustrations?
joe rogan
It's all digitally created artwork.
Some of it is like dicks and missile silos and shit.
And he goes, if people are trying to find hidden meaning, he goes, it's fucking dicks!
greg fitzsimmons
It's just dicks!
joe rogan
He's hilarious!
He's a great guy.
Have you never seen his shit?
Pull up Beeple's Instagram page.
It's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
What's that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I'm on his website right now.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
Look at that.
greg fitzsimmons
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Naked baby Trump.
It's his endgame.
It's naked baby Trump on top of the...
I mean, how amazing is that?
Woke Island?
jamie vernon
Wookie.
joe rogan
Oh, Wookie Island.
I see a W and an O. I just assume it's woke.
Reset button.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, so his stuff is all like, some of it's hilarious, some of it's really disturbing.
Santa came early.
greg fitzsimmons
That must be fun for a guy like that.
That's his life.
He found something he's good at, that he loves, and he found a way to wake up every morning and go, let's fucking imagine, let's play, let's do this.
joe rogan
And he was so consistent in how he did it that he got to, whoa, are they all changing or are you doing that?
jamie vernon
I'm changing it.
joe rogan
I'm going through them.
You got a little ADD, don't you, fella?
Some of these are good.
jamie vernon
I'm looking at it quick.
joe rogan
Look at that.
But the point being is like he was just so consistent and so disciplined that he just consistently put them out and now he's making hundreds of millions of dollars doing this.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn, no shit, really?
joe rogan
The art in the galleries?
greg fitzsimmons
He's like an R. Crumb kind of a guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like the, in terms of NFTs and like sales of digital art, he's like the number one guy, isn't he?
No shit.
Or he's one of them.
greg fitzsimmons
2.4 million followers.
jamie vernon
It's changing often now because...
joe rogan
Yeah, 2.4 million followers.
greg fitzsimmons
Plus, when you make an NFT, every time it gets resold, he makes more money off of that.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Click on that chimp one.
But it's also like you're actually getting real digital art from this guy.
Look at that.
greg fitzsimmons
So what's the difference between if I buy the NFT that shows me that or me just going to his Instagram account and looking at it?
joe rogan
Because you get something like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh.
joe rogan
You get a piece, like a digital piece of art, too.
And that's where it gets squirrely with a non-fungible token.
You own the rights to that thing.
So even though some of them like Bored Yacht Club, Bored Ape Yacht Club or something like that, I don't understand.
Because it's just a photograph and you own it, I guess.
But I can take a screenshot of it and it'll be on my phone.
But I guess it's not as cool as you owning it on your phone.
Okay.
I don't totally get that.
But I get this.
I get the digital artwork and I get that's an original Beeple.
He sends you these things and go with it.
There's more to it.
And his gallery that he's doing...
He has these big displays and big things, and I'm sure you could buy those too.
It's like you're buying a real thing.
If you bought one of his art displays and it's like that, but it's like seven feet tall, and you could put it in your living room, people would come over and go, whoa!
That's a real, valuable, cool thing, a piece of art.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Dude, you know who's a great artist is Kevin Nealon.
Have you seen his?
unidentified
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, pull up Kevin Nealon's.
He does caricatures of famous comedians.
unidentified
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
He's got a new book that just came out and he just sent it to me and it's like as good as any caricatures I've seen.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kevin Nealon's a nice guy.
greg fitzsimmons
He's a super nice guy.
joe rogan
So nice.
Always friendly.
greg fitzsimmons
He's also one of those guys that is like, when you talk about Brewer, he is truly a funny human being.
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Isn't that awesome?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's amazing.
That's Freddie Mercury.
What else have you got in there?
Kevin Nealon artwork.
So he has his own Instagram just for his art.
Wow, look at that Letterman.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at that fucking...
joe rogan
Wow.
Look at Kurt Cobain.
Jim Carrey.
That's great.
That's incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's really good.
Oh, wow.
Look at that Gary Shandling.
unidentified
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at the capillaries in the nose.
Look at that detail.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so good.
And it's such a good characterization.
It's not a realistic painting of them.
greg fitzsimmons
No, they're like...
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Look at that Bourdain.
Holy shit.
That's really good, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
He captures their souls.
It's not just like a funny painting.
joe rogan
But that's the thing about a caricature, right?
Like, they exaggerate certain aspects of you, but you know instantly who it is.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's incredible.
That's really dope.
greg fitzsimmons
Who's the guy that does the ones from your show?
Gary Bourdais?
joe rogan
Gary Brandt.
greg fitzsimmons
Brandt.
He does good stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does amazing stuff.
Pull up his stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
He just did one of Tom O'Neill.
Tom just sent it to me yesterday.
joe rogan
Oh, did he really?
Yeah.
He'll show the illustrations too as he's...
Yeah.
There he's got Dave Attell.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, nice!
joe rogan
Gabor Mate.
Look at that.
greg fitzsimmons
He's missing some teeth.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does all the guests.
greg fitzsimmons
Look at Eddie Bravo!
joe rogan
That's amazing!
That's dope.
greg fitzsimmons
Like cracked marble.
joe rogan
Yeah, not so crazy now.
Look at Mark Zuckerberg.
Look at Louis C.K. Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's good.
joe rogan
That's wild.
Yeah, it's a specific kind of comedy art, right?
Making a caricature of a person.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's one that we have that makes me uncomfortable.
I don't think I'm going to hang up anymore.
It was Dostbach.
He did one of Joey Diaz.
I'm like, that one's a little...
A little disrespectful.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's blue cheese with wings and go fuck your mother.
unidentified
But it's so...
joe rogan
It's like...
Like, if I was Joey, I wouldn't want to look at that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's kind of rude.
greg fitzsimmons
It's...
joe rogan
That one.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
That's great.
Well, it's like going on a roast.
I've been on a couple roasts in my life.
And if you ever want to find out who you really are, if you want to know what people really think of you, because we all kind of...
It's not what's on the internet.
When you go on the internet, it's a bunch of trolls that are just saying mean shit.
But when you do a roast...
It has to make people laugh, which means it has to be grounded in a collective perception of who you really are.
And when you hear people make jokes about you on a roast, that's how you know who you really are.
And what I get is like, he looks old.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that was the purpose.
That was the purpose of the Hayoka in the Lakota tribes.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you were telling me about that.
That's wild.
joe rogan
The sacred clown.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They had someone who would mock everything.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if there was something that could be mocked, if it made people laugh, then you knew that it was true.
Or that it was bullshit.
Yeah.
Or that it was easily mocked.
Right.
It was a stupid thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they used that to sort of test...
Like whether or not their thoughts were being corrupted and whether or not they were like being delusional.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And looking at things incorrectly.
greg fitzsimmons
Like the court jester.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I think the court jester was supposed to keep the king honest.
joe rogan
Was he really?
greg fitzsimmons
I think that was part of his function was to show that the king could be in on the joke.
joe rogan
How many of those guys got their dicks cut off and stuffed in their mouth?
unidentified
Dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, you want to talk about the history of stand-up comedy.
That was the first comedian.
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
The court jester.
And he had skin in the game.
Nowadays, anybody can show up to an open mic night.
You know, you work in marketing for FedEx during the day.
But you come out at night, you put on a funny tie, and you get up and do five minutes.
If you bomb, whatever.
It hurts a little bit.
But if you're the court jester and you bomb...
Off with his head!
joe rogan
They'll just kill you for fun.
That's one of the things that we love about watching Game of Thrones or any of those...
I know they're fantasy, but they're supposed to be depicting a time in which there was no electronics and no civilization was crazy.
People just killed people.
They just decided I'm gonna kill them and no one could do damn thing about it.
They'll just beat you to death in front of everybody in the middle of like a dining hall and no one stops it and you realize like, well this is what people did to each other back then.
And if someone just decides that you've dishonored the queen with your jester ways, they're just gonna chop your dick off in front of everybody and stuff it in your mouth while you scream and bleed out on the stairs to the throne.
greg fitzsimmons
And they barely pay attention because they see it every day.
They're not even aghast by your death.
joe rogan
Dude, the whole Dracula...
The whole myth of Dracula, the Dracula story, the Bram Stoker version of Dracula, came out of this legend of Vlad the Impaler.
Vlad Tepes, who was a guy who was a real guy who lived, who used to torture the enemy and impaled him on spikes in front of him while he ate dinner.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Whoa!
joe rogan
Look at what he used to do.
So here's Vlad the Impaler.
There's a depiction of him.
So he lived Vlad Dracula or Vlad Dracula.
He lived in 1476, somewhere around there.
Is that what it says?
Let's see.
Go to his...
jamie vernon
That was his third reign.
He reigned a few different times, which I wonder how that worked, who took over while he was not reigning.
joe rogan
But this guy, Vlad Tepes, Vlad the Impaler, Vlad Dracula, he was known for...
He would cut pieces of a prisoner's flesh off and force them to eat it.
He did horrific shit.
So it was 1420...
What does it say?
23?
1428 to 1431. Somewhere around then he was born.
He died somewhere around 1476. So he's like 45 to 49 years old when he died.
They're not sure.
But during that time, he was fucking terrifying.
greg fitzsimmons
There's so many crazy ways through history that people have mutilated and killed people.
You ever heard of a Colombian necktie?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what that is?
joe rogan
Yeah, they slice your throat and pull your tongue through your neck.
Yeah.
It's rough.
greg fitzsimmons
That's fucking rough.
joe rogan
That's rough.
That's rough.
greg fitzsimmons
And then there's one called the Glasgow Smile or something where they take a knife and they cut your cheeks from the corners of your mouth up so for the rest of your life you look like you're smiling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's some evil fucks out there.
If you find out what the Comanches did, there's this book Empire of the Summer Moon.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, I read that.
That guy lives in Austin, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I had him on the podcast.
He's great.
It's an amazing book.
And he found all that stuff out When he moved here.
He moved here and he started researching the history of the Native American tribes and the Plains tribes.
And then he writes this book about the Comanches.
It's like, it's a fucking crazy story.
But one of the things they did is those people would fight to the death.
They never surrendered.
Because if they surrendered, they assumed they were going to be tortured.
Because they torture everybody.
And they would take people and they would hack their arms and legs off and while they were alive, throw them on a fire to watch them squirm.
The last moments of your life, no arms, they would just hold you down and just immediately hack off your arms, hack off your legs, and then just chuck you on the fire.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they just kept doing it to more people, throwing them on the fire.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
And there was a lot of rape.
There was a lot of like, you're gonna get raped and your family's gonna watch.
joe rogan
And you're gonna get murdered and your family's gonna watch.
And everybody got murdered except for the younger kids that they would try to incorporate into the tribe.
And they would test them in various ways.
And if they failed the test, they would kill them.
And if they just kept their shit together, they could eventually become a part of the tribe.
And the curious thing is, a lot of those people got captured Later and released.
So the soldiers would overcome a band of Indians and find captured white settlers.
And they didn't want to leave.
They wanted to stay with the Native Americans.
That's the Cynthia Ann Parker story.
She's the woman who gave birth to Quanah Parker, who was the last Comanche chief.
And he was half white.
She was white.
She was a white settler who was kidnapped when she was nine.
She watched her mother get killed, watched her father get killed.
greg fitzsimmons
Didn't they take her away to Pennsylvania and then she escaped and went back?
joe rogan
Yeah, she went back.
Yeah, she was despondent.
When they brought her back to regular society, she was despondent.
She did not want to live like that at all.
She was in her 30s by then.
And she had just been living with the Comanche.
She was a part of their culture.
I mean, it's just, you know, it's like a romanticizing it in a lot of our eyes because everybody, you know, like romanticizes the idea of being a Plains Indian.
Wow, it must have been incredible, sleeping under the stars.
But the people that they did capture and release back in society, they didn't want that.
Nobody was going the other way.
There was no Plains Indians that were like, look, fuck all this.
I want to join you guys.
I want to be a banker.
That wasn't happening.
But people were leaving, and they were living with the Indians, and they didn't want to go back.
And it wasn't a small number.
There was some miners that struck deals with them, and various people that had made their way across the plain decided to join.
And, you know, if you got a good band of Indians that didn't want to kill you because you're a white settler, if you're in the right place at the right time and you joined in, like, for them it was like a better way of life.
greg fitzsimmons
No, and trying to paint the Indians as good or bad, that's not how it is.
It's complicated.
It's a culture.
And it's kind of just where racism comes in, where everybody has to be seen as good or bad.
joe rogan
Well, they warred on each other hardcore in horrific, horrific ways.
They cannibalized each other.
The Nez Perce were famous for cannibalizing the victims that they captured.
People did horrible things in all ethnicities, in all parts of the world.
In the barbaric times of human history, people have done absolutely terrible things to each other, to people that look like them, to people that look nothing like them.
It's just like a part of being a human being or has been a part of being a human being.
I think like less now because we're more recognizing the horrific nature that we get to discuss it.
Because everybody kind of gets to talk now because of the internet, because of education.
It's way harder to pull off a Christopher Columbus-type atrocity in 2022 and selling it to the public, like what they did.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You would get documentation, cell phone video footage, like, hey, why'd you cut their arms off if they didn't give you gold?
Because that's what Christopher Columbus did.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, what those people did, like, you read the priests' accounts of how they tortured the natives when they got here, and what they did, like, bashed babies' heads on rocks and told people if they don't bring them their weight in gold, they would cut their arms off, cut their arms off, and show the other people that they're willing to do it, and then send them out, get more gold.
Like, That was just how people behaved, which is hard for us to think about because of the world we currently live in.
But if the power went out and shit went sideways for just six months, just six months, Do you know how crazy the world would be?
How crazy was the world during, like, the BLM riots during COVID, where people were walking down the street throwing rocks into people's windows and smashing doors open and doing whatever the fuck they wanted to do for no...
There's no social justice to that.
They were just...
They were wilding.
So, like, you've seen those videos where people just...
That's what happens.
That's what happens when you get mob mentalities together.
You're going to get certain people that don't give a fuck about a social cause or whatever.
They just want to go wilding.
And they're going to jump in and come up with reasons why they can light buildings on fire.
If there's no power for six months, they run the streets.
They run the streets.
There's no way to call the cops because there's no power.
What are you going to do?
How many bullets you got?
What the fuck, man?
Like, that's how thin the veneer of civilization is over the world.
For most of history, they behaved the way those clans, the Plains Indians did, and the way Columbus did, and the way the Mongols did, and the way the Romans did.
Like, for most of history, people were cunts.
Just horrible, murdering cunts.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and you think about this country like kids that were born, you know, just after us, that didn't experience the Vietnam War at all, like have not seen barbarism in this country.
Short of the people that have gone to the Middle East that saw some horrible shit, for the most part, they've been guarded from that.
And I mean, obviously school shootings and, you know, the amount of homicides that take place is something, but that can't compare to the kind of barbarism that you're talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah, the school shootings, it's like, The reason why they're so horrific is because they're an aberration.
And the worst, most horrific aberration, someone who wants to kill purely innocent people.
You know?
The thing that no one wants to talk about with those is how many of them are on psychiatric medications.
Because it's almost all of them.
greg fitzsimmons
Or they've gone off psychiatric medications.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then the question is, is it correlation or causation?
Are they already broken?
Is the psychiatric medication what kept them from doing it earlier?
I don't know.
The horrific things that people have done throughout history It's so fascinating how recent that was because it really was only like a few lives ago.
Like if you want to go to the the plains of Texas and the plains of North America in 1700, you are in a wild world.
Wild world.
None of the towns are there.
Nothing's settled.
It's wild.
If you're living back then And then someone can put you in a time machine just 322 years later, you'd be like, holy fuck.
Because 300 years before that was the same shit.
1400, 1700, not a lot of change here.
And then you go 300 years later after that, and you're like, holy fuck.
This is crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
You think about the difference in 10 years in this country.
A time machine that went 10 years ahead...
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, say 20. We didn't have cell phones 20 years ago.
There wasn't, you know, you were faxing shit.
joe rogan
Just how about what automobiles are now?
You know, I was talking to Reggie Watts as a car guy, right?
And Reggie has a Porsche Turbo S, which is a preposterous car.
It's basically a spaceship.
It goes zero to 60 in about two seconds.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Somewhere in the range of two seconds.
Goes 1g laterally with all-wheel drive.
The handling is outrageous.
The speed is telepathic.
It's like...
We could just go wherever the fuck it wants to go.
And I said to him, imagine bringing that car to 1970 and go drive that.
They would think you were an alien.
You must have come from another planet.
If they saw the LCD screen that lights up and all the gauge clusters are in LCDs or LEDs, they'd be like, holy shit.
Yeah.
This is insane.
This is insane.
Like, how do you start it?
You press that button.
Oh, my God.
How does it know that I have the key?
It's reading that you have the key in your pocket.
Just press the button.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
And then you're in this thing.
greg fitzsimmons
And then a voice comes through and it's your wife telephoning you from somewhere else.
And they're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Hey, honey.
Where the fuck are you?
Like, you can talk to someone in your car.
Oh, not only that.
You can say, navigate to Vulcan Gas Company.
And it goes, getting directions to Vulcan Gas Company.
That quickly.
That quickly.
Within a second.
greg fitzsimmons
And telling you don't go that way because there's traffic.
Rerouting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or how old is Mick Jagger?
It just tells you.
Like I do that all the time now.
I just ask my phone.
How old is somebody?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much does that cost?
How long has that been around?
It just tells you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or you just ask your phone now.
It's like we're literally in a science fiction movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Find out.
joe rogan
How old is Greg Fitzsimmons?
Nope.
You have two contacts named Greg Fitzsimmons.
Tap the phone number.
Hey, that's not what I said.
How old is the stand-up comedian Greg Fitzsimmons?
Oh, Wikipedia.
Here we go.
greg fitzsimmons
1966. 66, baby.
joe rogan
How are you feeling?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm feeling like I need some testosterone shots.
I just got a B12 shot.
Feeling good.
joe rogan
We're going to get you hooked up.
Next time you come in here, you're going to be jacked.
greg fitzsimmons
I've been working out like a maniac, though.
joe rogan
Have you been?
greg fitzsimmons
Last year, year and a half...
joe rogan
Beautiful.
greg fitzsimmons
I joined Gold's Gym so I can be shamed.
joe rogan
In Venice?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the real one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the mecca of bodybuilding.
greg fitzsimmons
It's been around since 1966. Those guys can get your steroids.
They will.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm the only guy in there.
Dude, I am the smallest guy by 50 pounds.
It's not even close.
And, like, even the women.
Like, the women are...
You know, bodybuilders, but they're fucking beautiful.
Like, they're big-ass bodybuilders, but there's something beautiful about them.
You know, the way they've sculpted their bodies to be a certain way?
And some of them get, like, fake tits and a fake tan, and they're on steroids, but you go like, wow, that's a version of the human body I hadn't thought of.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The fake tits and the tan is not the best part about it, but I do like the fit bodies.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I do like the fit bodies.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just like, but if you want to be like one of those Instagram models, there's a market for that now.
You could make a lot of money.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, there's a lot of people doing selfie workouts at Gold's Gym.
joe rogan
Well, you know, I'm not saying you should do that.
But what I am saying is, why is it okay to be a regular model?
And it's not okay to do that.
Like, people look down on Instagram models.
They look down on some girl who just, like, this is her job, is to look hot and take pictures in her underwear washing a car.
What do you give a fuck?
This is my take on it.
The reason why it exists is because men like me stare at it, first of all.
And B, why is that less valid than someone who starves himself to look like a coat hanger and walks down a runway?
greg fitzsimmons
You know, who's asking that question right now is Adam Levine's wife.
joe rogan
Ah!
greg fitzsimmons
Because she's a Victoria's Secret model and he's naming their kid after his Instagram model girlfriend.
joe rogan
Whoops.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you hear about that?
joe rogan
Yes.
That's a big whoops.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, what the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
Yeah, not good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's a...
I mean, when you see the neck tattoo, you go, alright, you're making some questionable decisions.
joe rogan
But in his world, that's not questionable.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
That's like, if you could get tattooed neck and shit, that's a real motherfucker.
greg fitzsimmons
That's a way of saying, I don't need a plan B. Plan A is working out fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
Yeah, if you're like Post Malone, you're getting your face tattooed up, like he doesn't give a fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, he's free of, and he's got his whole head tattooed.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you ever thought about a neck tattoo?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm getting one tomorrow.
Don't tread on me.
Doesn't Aaron from, what's his name, from Stained, Aaron Lewis, doesn't he have don't tread on me tattooed on his neck?
greg fitzsimmons
You should get a Colombian necktie tattoo.
joe rogan
As a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, I would never have Don't Tread On Me tattooed on my neck because it would just be way too inviting for people to choke me.
That's all they would be going for now.
They're just trying to choke me.
Fuck you.
Fuck you with that stupid thing on your neck.
I'm going to strangle him.
If I saw a guy with a Don't Tread On Me thing on his neck, I might have to strangle him.
It would feel extra exciting to put the choke on him.
He's got a beautiful voice, that guy.
He turned to a country singer.
It's very interesting.
He's like a pro-Trump, god, guns, and country type dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Who is he?
joe rogan
Stained.
unidentified
The guy from the lead singer of Stained.
joe rogan
He's talented as fuck, man.
But he's very politically active.
He's a country boy.
But I think it's legit.
I think that's actually who he is.
I don't think he's affecting a thing.
I think that's who he is.
When you listen to his lyrics and songs, it resonates more, the way he sings now.
I think he just had a great voice.
And he sung for Stained, and he's like, this is what I really want to do.
Don't tread on me, tattooed on my neck.
That's a guy that doesn't need a plan B. That's an aggressive thing to have on your neck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That's like...
joe rogan
What do you think you would get if you got a neck tattoo?
Like an owl on your neck?
greg fitzsimmons
I think I might get that.
Whatever the logo is for the guy who is the Native American comedian.
What do you call that?
joe rogan
The Hayoka?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Is there a logo for Hayoka?
That would be a fucking badass tattoo.
joe rogan
Yeah.
See if there's a Lakota symbol for Hayoka.
Mmm, interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Lakota, you know, the Lakota are the Sioux.
It's the same Indians.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
They called them...
The Sioux was like a Native American word.
I think it was for enemy.
So other people called them the Sioux.
They called themselves the Lakotas.
greg fitzsimmons
A crazy horse was a Lakota.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
greg fitzsimmons
And I think Sitting Bull might have been also.
joe rogan
The fascinating thing about those cultures...
Oh, is that what it looks like?
What is that...
Heyyoka ideas.
Oh.
Huh.
greg fitzsimmons
That one looks cool.
The War Shield.
joe rogan
A guy riding backwards?
greg fitzsimmons
That would be cultural appropriation.
joe rogan
No, I think that's the goof, if you go back to that picture, is like that as a Hayoka.
Go to the image, yeah.
He's riding backwards with a spear pointing in the wrong direction on a horse.
He's being a goof.
That's a guy joking around.
So that's the idea behind it.
So the Hayoka would crack everybody up.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that one's good.
What about the guy with the flowers on his head?
Striped.
joe rogan
Right there?
greg fitzsimmons
No, two to the left.
Yeah, that guy.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's like a jester.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they've like combined things.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Heyoka as an archetype, harnessing the power of infinite mask wearing.
Okay.
I think we stumbled into a bizarre community.
greg fitzsimmons
Did you see the guy that got behind Kim Kardashian yesterday and smelled her ass?
She was like coming out of her car and some fucking lunatic went up and smelled her ass.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Jamie, you gotta find that clip.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
You gotta think.
Look, everyone's got a fetish of some type.
If you look hard enough, but to own it like that and to go, I need to smell Kim's ass.
jamie vernon
This video, I found it from 2016, but this is probably it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah, that is it.
Oh, I thought it just happened.
Somebody just sent it to me.
joe rogan
That's horrible.
What a dick.
Oh my god.
What a dick.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, what a life she lives.
You can't even get out of your car without somebody sniffing your ass.
Everyone's taking your picture.
joe rogan
God, this has got to be horrible.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
Imagine thinking that's funny to do, too.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't think he thought it was funny.
I think that was his thing.
He needed a sniff.
Why do you think that?
joe rogan
You don't think that you lost a bet?
greg fitzsimmons
No, I think that there's guys that like to be humiliated, and that's part of it.
He's permanently shamed, but he's been thinking about sniffing her ass for years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
He stepped up.
unidentified
Pfft, pfft.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
He's really inhaling.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, what do you think that is, like, as a law?
He looks like a guy who would sniff an ass, too.
Look at him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I don't think he broke any laws.
No.
joe rogan
No?
It's not assault unless you touch someone, right?
greg fitzsimmons
I think they beat him up, though, afterwards.
So they definitely dove on him.
He got jumped by her security.
joe rogan
I wonder what's within their rights to do.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
I think that's in their rights.
He broke the plane.
joe rogan
Right.
And then, are they allowed to beat the shit out of him?
Are you supposed to just hold on to him?
What are you supposed to do?
Wait until he tries to hit you?
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, whatever happened...
joe rogan
And hit him back?
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, what happened with Chappelle?
They beat the...
They beat the fuck out of that dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, they beat the fuck out of that dude.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, is he allowed to sue for that?
joe rogan
Well, he's in jail for murder.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, or attempted murder.
Attempted murder, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, this guy was...
joe rogan
He stabbed his roommate in December of the year.
jamie vernon
This guy that did it to Kim Kardashian, he got in trouble for doing it to somebody else too.
joe rogan
Oh, so he's just an ass sniffer.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it a prank thing that he does?
jamie vernon
I believe so.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a video of five times he tried to do it.
joe rogan
That dude, that dude needs to get his ass kicked.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You do that to the wrong guy, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Do that to Francis Ngannou's girlfriend?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, do it to the wrong guy.
Do it to the wrong guy.
unidentified
Alright.
joe rogan
You're gonna get fucked up.
That's dangerous.
Some surfer, who's apparently like a famous surfer, just got killed in a bar fight where some guy punched him and he fell and hit his head and died.
And I talk about this all the time, that people think it's safe to hit someone and just knock them out in a bar.
It's so dangerous.
On the street, it's so dangerous to knock someone out.
greg fitzsimmons
And you're going to spend a lot of time in jail thinking about that.
One second you thought that would be a good idea.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People think, like, they watch movies.
They think people get knocked out.
It's no big deal.
People die all the time when they hit their head.
greg fitzsimmons
There was this kid in my town who got, you know, just two guys.
They got in a fist fight.
He punched him once.
The kid fell down.
He was fucked up for the rest of his life.
He was just off.
He's like the guy in your town now who's off.
unidentified
Oh, no.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a real thing, man.
Car accidents, guys who played football, sometimes their head just gets broken.
Fighters, it just gets broken.
Like, you're not coming back.
You're this guy now.
greg fitzsimmons
Forever.
joe rogan
But, you know, Kevin James, when he was a bouncer at a bar in New York, and one of the guys that he worked with got in a fight with some patron, knocked him out, and died.
The guy died.
He punched the guy.
Guy was a drunk, fell, hit his head, and then he went to jail.
greg fitzsimmons
For how long?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It was years, though.
greg fitzsimmons
Lot of years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think it was like seven years or something like that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I don't know if it was manslaughter or second-degree murder or what they convict you on, but fuck, man.
I was watching a video of these guys that robbed some kid, 21-year-old kid in New York, just walked up to him and just blasted him in the face and knocked him unconscious, and the kid falls.
Onto the curb and hits his head and he was dead in five days and you know they're trying to find the kids who did it I don't know if they found him but it's like imagine they got twenty dollars from him they stole twenty bucks Just knocking some out and not understanding.
Like, you might as well just be shooting them because you could very easily kill someone this way.
Very easily.
You're falling so far.
When you get knocked out and you're standing up, you're falling so far and you're hitting your head.
Like, if you just fall two feet dead weight and hit your head, you could get fucked up, man.
Think of something hitting you as hard as the earth.
Hitting your head from two feet away.
Oh my god, it would be devastating.
Now imagine it happening from five, six feet.
And you're getting KO'd, so there's momentum.
You're falling backwards.
It's not just as simple as just gravity.
There's actually momentum, too.
So maybe it's double the power.
greg fitzsimmons
There's also a lot of people talking about neck punches now, throat punches, instead of punching someone in the face and they think, Well, yeah, but...
joe rogan
Who are you talking to?
A lot of people are talking about neck punches?
greg fitzsimmons
I saw it on the internet.
I saw this compilation of people getting throat punches, just like street fights where people are intentionally doing it.
That's just as dangerous because you could break the windpipe.
joe rogan
Nah.
I think you're probably okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that's as dangerous.
You can get knocked out by getting hit in the neck, for sure.
You definitely can get your neck hurt.
But I wonder if you get knocked out as easily.
The chin is where it's really dangerous.
Because you get hit in the chin, a lot of times people just shut off.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or you get hit in the temple, a lot of times people get shut off.
And when you get shut off and you fall back, that's the most dangerous.
You definitely, I mean, it's not good to get punched in the neck, but it's not like a smart strategy or boxers just be punching each other in the neck.
You know, they kind of a little bit do that, but it's just really like accidentally.
They're trying to hit the chin.
Kicks, though.
Some of the best head kick knockouts.
Guys will land a kick on the neck, and they're like right here.
Like right here and almost like behind your head.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if you think of someone throwing their shin up at you and where their shin is going to contact with the side of your neck, that shuts people right off.
That's how Kamaru Usman got knocked out by Leon Edwards.
I think that one actually might have hit his head.
But it was like the head, like right where the neck meets the head.
Getting hit in the head is fucking horrible for you.
So back to that Brett Favre thing.
Guarantee that has something to do with it.
Guarantee.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
In fact, O.J. Simpson's people said that if he was to go to trial today, they would definitely bring up CTE in his defense.
But then you'd have to admit he killed them, right?
Because there's no reason why he has rage if he didn't really stab somebody.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what are you saying?
greg fitzsimmons
I heard there was cocaine involved also.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
I heard that there was evidence that was not allowed about a cocaine dealer who had sold him a pretty good quantity of cocaine just before the killing.
Allegedly.
I should have to say allegedly.
joe rogan
Why would they suppress that?
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, I went to play golf.
You remember Jackie Flynn?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Great comic out of Boston.
And we go up to this golf course, Hanson Dam, and it's the two of us.
And we show up, and when you show up as a twosome, they pair you up with two other people to play.
So we sign in, and the starter goes, okay, you two are going to play with these two guys over here.
And we look over, and it's fucking O.J. Simpson.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
greg fitzsimmons
And another dude, and I look up.
joe rogan
What year was this?
greg fitzsimmons
It was after the murders, but before he went to jail.
So we were...
I just look at the skies like this is...
joe rogan
After the murders, before he went to jail?
So before the trial?
greg fitzsimmons
No, after the trial, but before he went to jail for stealing his own merchandise.
unidentified
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
Okay, okay.
greg fitzsimmons
But he wasn't allowed at country clubs anymore.
He used to play at Bel Air and Riviera, all the best country clubs, and now he's playing at the same shitty publicore as I am.
And so I just look at this guy like, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.
This is going to be my Tonight Show story someday.
And Jackie looks at him and he goes...
I ain't playing with that fucking murderer!
Fuck that!
He's a murderer!
And OJ just turned and walked away, and I just looked at Jackie like, how could you do this to me, man?
How could you steal?
The moment they were on like the 11th hole and I'm standing over a putt and I just look at him and I go, OJ, if I sink this, you got to tell me if you did it.
joe rogan
Imagine we had a video of that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jackie fucked you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
I'll never forgive him.
joe rogan
Were you hesitant at all to play with him?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
No, I was very excited.
I'd seen him at the driving range there before.
Would you play with him?
joe rogan
I don't play golf.
I play pool with him.
I would.
I would just to try to like...
Look, I've met people that kill people before.
greg fitzsimmons
You have?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
But not like that.
You know, I've met people that kill people in war.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a different animal.
greg fitzsimmons
That's different than chopping someone's heads off with a knife.
joe rogan
Dakota Meyer has one of the craziest stories about killing a guy with a rock.
Overseas.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, the guy, he lost his gun, is in hand-to-hand combat situation with the guy.
The guy's grabbing at his gear off of his vest.
He gets the guy to the ground and kills him with a rock.
Yeah.
He talked about it.
He's like, in that moment, he's like, me and this guy, we don't even know each other.
I don't know this guy.
I didn't have hate for this guy.
But I just had to do it.
And he had to try to kill me, too.
And how insane that situation is.
Like, you know, you're from here, and then all of a sudden you're there, and you're in this guy's town or whatever, and you're a part of a military...
Some sort of an action that they're doing that day.
And you find yourself in a hand-to-hand combat with some guy.
You don't know his language.
You don't know his history.
You don't know anything about him.
You just know it's you or him.
And you kill him with a rock.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a lot different than getting coked up and stabbing a waiter and cutting your wife's head off.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then doing music videos afterwards.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And running fantasy football leagues and making jokes.
joe rogan
You ever see the video that he did?
greg fitzsimmons
Which one?
joe rogan
The rap video where he had a bunch of chicks around him and they were all topless.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Was this in his Miami days or is he still in his Miami days?
joe rogan
I don't know where he is.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know he moved to Florida.
greg fitzsimmons
I know he was in Miami for a while and he was definitely doing, not definitely, allegedly doing a lot of cocaine.
joe rogan
Allegedly?
unidentified
Yeah.
Imagine doing coke with OJ. Oh, that's a good night.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
How wild it would get if he got a little loose lips.
Do you think he even believes he killed them at this point in time?
He might not even believe he did it.
He might have been so...
He might have told that lie so many times that that's his truth.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
It might be like...
You might never get to the real man.
He might be like a politician.
Everywhere he goes, from waking up in the morning to going to bed at night, he's putting on an act.
He never gets to the real OJ. But a couple of fucking Hennessys.
A few lines.
greg fitzsimmons
Nice, fat blunt.
Sitting in the back of the limo with a couple of topless girls.
OJ, tell me!
joe rogan
You want to see the video of him rapping?
unidentified
Yeah!
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah!
joe rogan
Find the video of OJ rapping.
This is after he was acquitted.
He was doing a bunch of different things.
And then he did something.
Some sort of rap music video.
jamie vernon
It was part of a TV show thing he called Juiced.
It's labeled as a TV special, but I think it was one of those Too Hot for TV DVDs they were trying to sell.
joe rogan
Oh, like Girls Gone Wild.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's why there's naked chicks in it.
joe rogan
Do you remember the Jamie Kennedy experiment?
greg fitzsimmons
Of course.
joe rogan
Jamie Kennedy is like the most underrated prank show guy in history.
Because people don't talk about him like when they talk about the greats.
greg fitzsimmons
He kind of happened in between Tom Green and Jackass was Jamie Kennedy.
joe rogan
Well, he had this thing called Guys Gone Nuts, and it was like the response to Girls Gone Wild.
So this is like the whole series of this.
But at one point in time, they're doing a music video.
I know we pulled it up before.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but the thing is, I remember now that when I found it, it was not on YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, so here it is right here.
jamie vernon
But I found it on YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, there it is.
So you can still have titties on YouTube?
jamie vernon
No, this is just slipping through.
joe rogan
Oh, man, we're gonna ruin it.
jamie vernon
I'm not playing it for anyone.
unidentified
We're gonna ruin it.
joe rogan
But we're gonna ruin it.
They're gonna find it.
The YouTube people are gonna find it.
So these gals danced around with their boobies out, and there's a rap song somewhere in there.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that was not...
joe rogan
There it is.
That's it.
unidentified
No.
No. No. No. No.
No. No.
What?
No.
What?
What?
What was that?
greg fitzsimmons
He showed the Bronco!
joe rogan
Yeah, with a bullet hole.
jamie vernon
That's probably one of the skits, probably earlier on.
greg fitzsimmons
And him chasing somebody with a golf club.
joe rogan
I don't think that was him.
I think that was somebody else chasing somebody, wasn't it?
unidentified
Come on, OJ, just sign the ball and it'll go away.
Gotcha.
greg fitzsimmons
You've just been juiced.
joe rogan
He was pretending he was going to kill them.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And they're running away from him.
It was a prank.
I thought you were talking about the other thing where people were...
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
jamie vernon
Maybe he just did something like he accused him of hitting his ball and then got mad.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
unidentified
It's fine.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
So, it was a prank show?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
From a guy that you knew was a murderer.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Along with a rap video with topless ladies.
greg fitzsimmons
What if he didn't do it?
joe rogan
Imagine if Bigfoot's real.
Imagine if all those people are telling the truth.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What if you're OJ, you're this guy that was in Naked Gun, and you were in Hertz commercials running through the airport, and you were a superstar athlete, and you were a great dude to everybody that ever talked to him.
Great dude.
This was an aberration.
This killing made no sense.
And what if it didn't happen?
What if there really was somebody else, and this is all hanging on him?
That would be crazy.
joe rogan
If it's like a movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like a...
Knives Out movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like they've just like set him up the entire time.
Like a really bad book.
greg fitzsimmons
Who would stand to gain from that?
joe rogan
Yeah, some bad evil detective.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Well, what was his name?
joe rogan
Mark Furman.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, Mark Furman.
joe rogan
Imagine.
greg fitzsimmons
He was a racist.
That was OJ's defense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine if Mark Furman's just sitting there.
unidentified
Ha ha ha.
joe rogan
I checked them all.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, I think he probably did it.
He wrote a book called If I Did It.
Somebody gave me a copy of that.
I'm pretty sure my wife threw it out.
I was trying to find it the other day.
She's sneaky like that.
She don't fucking want this.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
He described in it what if and he described the murder from his point of view.
joe rogan
He signed it.
I had a signed copy of the book.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Probably not a good thing to have around.
greg fitzsimmons
Probably not.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe it was good she threw it out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I never even read it.
I just point to people.
I go, see that?
Look at that.
I forget who gave it to me.
Might have been Sakura.
Someone like that.
greg fitzsimmons
What are you reading right now?
joe rogan
In the middle of...
I haven't been reading reading.
I've been just doing audiobooks.
But I'm in the middle of...
You know that movie, The Gray Man?
That was with Ryan Reynolds and...
No, Ryan Gosling.
I always confuse those handsome fellas.
Ryan Gosling.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, poor bastards.
joe rogan
Ryan Gosling and...
Who else was in it?
Chris Evans.
Chris Evans.
Captain America.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
The movie that they did for Netflix, like one of the most expensive action movies ever, fun movie, but very different than the book.
The book is dark.
The book is about like a real CIA hitman.
Oh yeah?
They found when he was like 19 years old, he had committed, he had murdered some drug dealers or something like that, and they incorporated him into the CIA program where they trained him to kill people.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
True story?
joe rogan
No, I don't think it's a true story, but I think there's some basis in history that they have done things like that.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
No, that's the CIA's MO. Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they most certainly have hired killers.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, contractors and stuff like that.
I know people have done that.
But this book is about this one guy who's the elite of the elite, the gray man.
It's pretty intense.
greg fitzsimmons
That's cool.
joe rogan
This is a series of them.
They get a little...
You know, it's hard to keep a good idea going after a while.
Like, how come this guy's not dead?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, this is a little crazy.
Kills everybody.
Barely gets shot.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
I just watched the...
Jeff Bridges did one called The Old Man, this series.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I watched that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I watched it up until a point.
I'm like, come on.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what I was just going to say.
I bailed out an episode seven out of eight.
I was just like, no, no.
And the first episode was fucking great.
Some series of a perfect, perfect first episode.
joe rogan
The first few episodes were great, but it got to a point where they would have found him.
How are you just driving there?
You can't just drive places anymore.
greg fitzsimmons
It was implausible.
joe rogan
Not only that, you have a car that has GPS on it.
This is nonsense.
greg fitzsimmons
And why is the woman that he kidnapped being left alone in his apartment and she's not calling the police?
joe rogan
Because he fucks her good.
greg fitzsimmons
Because he's 80 years old.
He's not fucking anything.
joe rogan
No, you're wrong.
You're wrong.
He gives it to him.
greg fitzsimmons
He's getting B12 shots.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's ready to go.
He's got those killer dogs.
It would have been a really good movie that would have ended like No Country for Old Men, where it had like a weird ending.
That would have been a good movie.
But as a series, it just like...
Too much talking and explaining things, not enough showing me things, means that you didn't know how to resolve things.
You got a little television-ish for a while.
greg fitzsimmons
It was bad writing.
joe rogan
But it wasn't in the beginning.
greg fitzsimmons
No, it was good at the first.
joe rogan
In the beginning, it's like they had a great concept, and you bought into it.
Even the way he survived and the way he managed to thrive, you bought into it.
Up until he kidnaps her and takes her across the country, and you're like, get the fuck out of here.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
They're going to find you, bro.
You can't just do that.
unidentified
They'll find you.
joe rogan
There's only so many roads.
Where are you going?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's so many roads.
greg fitzsimmons
You get these two actors together and you don't put them in the same scene.
What's the guy from Third Rock?
What's that actor's name?
joe rogan
John Lithgow.
greg fitzsimmons
You get John Lithgow and Jeff Bridges together and they're never on screen together.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
No!
joe rogan
Right.
Well, I think it could have been, like I said, it could have been a great movie.
After a while, it just seemed to get a little slippery.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't mind Liam Neeson doing action, either.
I mean, he's getting up there, and I still buy it.
He's fucking good.
joe rogan
He's good.
What is the main one that he did?
greg fitzsimmons
Taken?
joe rogan
Taken, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
When he calls a guy up.
People have used that for so many reels.
I have a particular set of skills.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bought that.
I love Daniel Craig as James Bond.
Sure.
I like a good fucking assassin movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
A good badass movie.
greg fitzsimmons
They're fun.
An aging action star.
I actually like that.
joe rogan
Did you see the video of the 92-year-old man fucking this young guy up on the street?
greg fitzsimmons
No!
joe rogan
Go to Lennox Lewis's Instagram page.
There's a video of these guys pick a fight with a...
I think he's 92. He's 92 years old.
And he fucks these guys up.
He takes his shirt off and starts boxing these guys in the street.
greg fitzsimmons
What country?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know where it was.
Let's see if you can find it.
Just pull up Lennox Lewis's page and I'll show you which one it is.
That's it right there.
So does it say?
It says 92-year-old retired professional boxer.
So these people start getting into an argument and start pushing each other around.
It eventually turns back around normal.
And so...
So it's in front of a McDonald's.
So they're pushing this guy around.
And so this guy steps in.
The guy with the black shirt, he's the one who's gonna get fucked up.
This young guy.
So he hits him.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
The old dude just flatlined him.
No, it gets better.
It gets better.
Look at him.
This guy's 92 years old.
He flatlines that guy.
And look at him.
He's dancing around.
I mean, this is an old dude and a young guy that he just cracked.
Look at them stand in front of each other.
The guy tries to take him out.
Boom!
Drops him again.
And now the old dude's getting wild.
Now he's getting wild.
Look, he takes his shirt off.
Get the fuck out of here.
Let's go, bitch.
Takes his shirt off.
Now this kid's squaring up with him.
He's fucked.
Bam!
greg fitzsimmons
Whoa!
joe rogan
Look at this.
92. He's pushing everybody the fuck away from him.
Get up, bitch.
You want some more?
Look at this.
This guy's still...
Look at how he's standing.
Squared off.
Has no idea how to box.
greg fitzsimmons
And the other two guys stayed down.
joe rogan
Stayed down, bitch.
greg fitzsimmons
They were down.
joe rogan
Look at this old dude, man.
92 years old.
greg fitzsimmons
He looks like Russian or something.
joe rogan
They age better.
greg fitzsimmons
And he probably thought, you know what, I'm 92. If I die, fuck it.
I'm going to have some fun.
joe rogan
Let's die like this.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But when you see that guy standing with his legs squared off in front of him, with his hands up, he has zero idea how to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was the perfect moment for that guy to do that.
greg fitzsimmons
I thought he was going to start hitting the women.
Because after he knocked out the three guys, women started coming at him.
Yeah.
That's a sticky situation to be in.
unidentified
What do you do?
joe rogan
You don't want to let a woman punch you.
greg fitzsimmons
Nope.
joe rogan
Women can knock you out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's women out there that can fucking knock you out.
greg fitzsimmons
Hell yeah!
joe rogan
Especially if you don't see it coming.
Like, they sucker punch you from the side.
greg fitzsimmons
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Fucking dangerous.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't let them hit you, but if you hit them...
greg fitzsimmons
It's all on video.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
And if you knock a woman out, she falls and hits her head.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
unidentified
And she dies.
joe rogan
That's bad.
Oh, fuck.
Doesn't matter who jumped you.
You punch a woman in the head and knock her out.
greg fitzsimmons
I punched a woman one time.
joe rogan
Oh my god, what happened?
greg fitzsimmons
It was Halloween and I was like 13. And we were running around our neighborhood.
You know, we all had...
Everybody dressed...
You call it bums.
We used to say bums.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
But isn't that funny?
We used to dress as homeless people.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was like a costume.
greg fitzsimmons
That was a costume to be a bum!
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You would never see that today!
joe rogan
It's true.
unidentified
That's so true.
greg fitzsimmons
We used to wear ratty-ass clothes, and we'd put dirt on our face.
And there was a girl, and she had...
I thought it was a guy.
And she had on a mask and sprayed me in the eyes.
We used to take shaving cream, and we would put an aerosol top on a shaving cream can, and it would spray the shaving cream like 20 feet.
It was awesome.
And we'd bring eggs, and we'd go crazy.
And so she sprayed in my eye, so I can't see that well, and I chase what I thought was him, knocked him down, I'm sitting on top of him, and I punch him in the face, and then everybody's screaming, and they pull me up, they're like, dude, it's a girl!
And I was like, fuck!
So I just fucking run away.
I run away.
And it turns out it was a girl from the next town over from where I grew up.
She was one town over.
And then that winter, we were at the Tarrytown Lakes, which is, they would freeze over in the winter.
And they had these big telephone poles, and they had floodlights, and they had speakers, and they would play AM radio, and they had a big heated shack.
You'd change your skates, and during the day you'd play hockey, and then at night we'd all show up, and they would light it, and they'd stay up until like 11 o'clock at night, and that was like our social life in the winter, and we'd skate.
And, you know, you'd hide some beers in the snowbank, and you'd get fucked up, and you'd try to make out with the girl, and so it was great.
So I go there, and I'm like 13, and they go, oh yeah, that's so-and-so, she's got a crush on you.
I was like, oh, where's she from?
She's from the next town over.
Yeah, you punched her in the face on Halloween.
And I was like, dude, that says a lot about her family life, you know?
joe rogan
Well, maybe she felt bad that she sprayed you in the face and then she thought while you were punching her, you're kind of cute.
greg fitzsimmons
He's got pretty eyes and a good right hook.
joe rogan
Did you apologize to her?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I felt terrible about it.
joe rogan
Did you apologize right afterwards or did you wait till you met her at the lake?
greg fitzsimmons
know her she was the next time the next time I saw her was at the lake.
joe rogan
Oh, that was the next time you saw her.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh my god.
Yeah.
And then somebody told me that she had a crush on me.
So I'm talking to her and then all of a sudden my friend, quote unquote friend, skated as hard as he could while I was talking to her and he lined me up just because that's what we did to each other.
Oh no.
And I got knocked down and I couldn't get up.
I was winded like I was down.
And then I find out next week and I was kind of into her.
She was pretty.
And I find out the next week she had a crush on the guy that knocked me out.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
Of course she did.
She likes abuse.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's all for the chaos.
She probably would have been a wild one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
What is this?
jamie vernon
I don't want to ruin the illusion of this video, but he's not 92 years old.
joe rogan
Oh.
How old is he?
unidentified
53. He's younger than me.
joe rogan
He looks like shit.
greg fitzsimmons
He looks like a 92 year old man.
unidentified
He looks like shit.
joe rogan
He moves like shit.
God damn it.
That guy's younger than me.
unidentified
Ah, that's hilarious.
joe rogan
If I move like that, I'd be fucking embarrassed.
greg fitzsimmons
He does.
He stands straight up.
His back looks atrophied.
joe rogan
Yeah, he looks like a dead man.
jamie vernon
People said this was in Ashford in the UK, and he was an older gypsy man that people recognized.
joe rogan
Oh!
greg fitzsimmons
Gypsies, man.
joe rogan
They're wild folks.
greg fitzsimmons
Love the gypsies.
joe rogan
The fucking Gypsy King.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, do you watch Peaky Blinders?
joe rogan
No.
I heard it's great, though.
unidentified
Oh!
greg fitzsimmons
It's all about the gypsies.
joe rogan
Is it really great?
greg fitzsimmons
It is up there with, you know...
joe rogan
Game of Thrones?
greg fitzsimmons
Game of Thrones.
Really?
Sopranos, like in terms of one hour dramas.
It's not quite as good, but it is fucking cool.
The guy who's the lead is just one of the most badass protagonists in any drama you've ever seen in your life.
joe rogan
Okay, I gotta get on there.
greg fitzsimmons
But it taps into that world of like they live in, I think it's Birmingham, which I guess has a lot of Irish that have moved in and a lot of like gypsy influence.
So that's their dark side.
They go there.
They kind of dip into the gypsy world a little bit.
It's cool.
joe rogan
We got a gypsy heavyweight champion in the world.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, the boxer.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Tyson Fury.
He's the gypsy king.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
I knew that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He's a gypsy.
Yeah, unquestionably.
Unquestionably one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
And he's the gypsy king.
He talks the best shit.
He talks the most shit.
He's hilarious.
It's really funny, man.
greg fitzsimmons
It's hard to be a gypsy now because they won't let you just live wherever you want.
joe rogan
They don't?
greg fitzsimmons
Gypsies used to just...
They were nomads.
They would just wander.
They would sharpen knives.
They'd go to places and sharpen knives.
joe rogan
But they do just bring their caravans places and park them.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That does still happen.
greg fitzsimmons
But I think they're having a harder time finding places.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't know that.
Because I knew that I had a friend who lived in the UK, and one of her friends from the UK was telling her that this band of gypsies just moved into an abandoned lot on their street.
They just pulled in and just, we live here now.
And then they couldn't get them out.
They couldn't get them to move out.
These people lived in like this well-to-do neighborhood.
greg fitzsimmons
Where is this?
joe rogan
Somewhere in the UK. Wow.
I don't know.
I don't remember the story, but I remember thinking like, oh, how does that work?
What do they do?
It's like, you can't get rid of them.
They're allowed to do that in certain places.
greg fitzsimmons
Shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
What was the movie where, wasn't Brad Pitt?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Snatch.
greg fitzsimmons
Snatch.
That was great.
joe rogan
Great fucking movie.
unidentified
That was a really good movie.
joe rogan
That was one of Guy Ritchie's fucking classics.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Fucking Brad Pitt, man.
He's the real deal.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's been in everything.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
He's done some very fucking cool characters.
unidentified
That poor guy.
joe rogan
That Angelina Jolie thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine that trial.
Because you think that the fucking Amber Heard trial was wild?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine that trial.
unidentified
Woo!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, what the fuck, man?
greg fitzsimmons
Who had better sex with her?
Him or Billy Bob Thornton?
Because Brad physically had it over him, but Billy Bob was wearing the blood around his neck.
They were doing some dark shit.
joe rogan
They cut each other's skin and dripped blood into vials and kept it on their necks.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Tattooed shit about each other on their bodies.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I think all of us fall short of that relationship.
unidentified
Good.
greg fitzsimmons
In terms of passion.
joe rogan
Good.
That shit's unsustainable.
It's like when you see people sprinting, he's smiling, she's kissing him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet he was having a good fucking time, I'll tell you that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he had a great time.
joe rogan
For as long as it lasted.
greg fitzsimmons
She's one of the sexiest women ever.
joe rogan
She's pretty hot.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Tony always says that psychotic and erotic, they're very closely related.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta always take that into consideration.
Some of the most psycho chicks are the most erotic, and it's not necessarily good.
greg fitzsimmons
Amy Winehouse.
She must have been wild.
joe rogan
She's probably so drunk all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably not.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the heroin doesn't help.
joe rogan
Drunk heroin life does not lead itself to a lot of wild sexual exploits and chaos.
It seems like there's a lot of napping and throwing up in the sink.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, Sid and Nancy didn't fuck.
joe rogan
If they did, it wasn't good.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe it was.
They probably smelled.
greg fitzsimmons
Sid, take a shower!
joe rogan
Fuck you!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those kind of relationships, though, they don't have a long shelf life.
It's like you're sprinting.
You're tattooing your names on each other immediately and dripping blood.
Where are you going to go from there?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's that going to go?
greg fitzsimmons
Doesn't matter.
joe rogan
Eventually, it's going to peter out.
You don't even cut yourself for me anymore.
I'm like, oh, come on.
I thought we were done.
I did it already.
Your fucking name's on my arm.
Come on, leave me alone.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't care anymore.
unidentified
You're just DMing hoes on Instagram.
joe rogan
Come on.
greg fitzsimmons
You haven't sacrificed an animal for me in weeks.
joe rogan
Ugh.
I mean, that kind of a relationship.
Like, if you get involved in that kind of crazy level of relationship where you're cutting each other and carrying each other's blood around, like, where does that go?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got to look at that in terms of a long-term project.
You start out sprinting like that.
Like, how is that sustainable?
greg fitzsimmons
I always feel like that about ass sacks.
You know, like, save it.
Save it.
You know, you're not going to...
I think you should maybe wait till you're 65, and then finally, you got her doggy style, and you go to put it in, and she just goes, finally!
joe rogan
Oh, no.
You're like, I wasted all these years of butt-fucking.
That's a thing that people either like or they don't like.
Right?
Some people like it, some people don't like it at all.
And it's not supposed to be good for you.
Like Dr. Drew was talking about all the dangers involved in that.
unidentified
I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
greg fitzsimmons
Perlapsed anus.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Tom Segura.
Has sent me and showed me some of the most horrific things that they show on your mom's house live when they do those shows.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one of them was these two guys that had prolapsed anuses.
They're fisting.
And they're pulling their anuses out, their prolapsed anuses out, and they were rubbing them together.
So like this pink sock.
From one guy's butt, and one guy, like, apparently, like, he was internally bleeding, because they're doing such rigorous, awful stuff to their assholes.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That everything was like a bright, dark red, and the doctor was like, that guy probably died that night.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you're not gonna live from that one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, ooh!
joe rogan
Just think about wiping your ass.
greg fitzsimmons
How do you wipe your ass after you take a dump?
joe rogan
How do you heal from that where you can shit again?
You're tearing your asshole apart and then poop has to come through there on the way out?
And when it's all broken up inside and the poop is rubbing up against that, do you get infected?
What happens there?
greg fitzsimmons
I got a friend who's gay.
He's never had anything in his ass.
Congratulations to him.
He's a non-anal gay guy.
joe rogan
Good for him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I met these two guys at a show once in Connecticut, and I had a joke about two guys having anal sex.
And they wanted to come up to me after the show, and they go, we thought you were really funny, but we want you to know that a lot of gay people don't have anal sex.
I go, okay.
I go, but some of them do, right?
It's still a thing?
He's like, yeah, they do.
You just want me to know that you're not one of those people?
I go, duly noted.
I'm like, I don't know where we're going with this.
He just wanted me to know that there's a whole community of gay folks that don't have butt sucks.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I'm like, okay.
But it's not like I'm making this up, right?
Like, people do fuck each other in the butt.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I've seen the videos.
joe rogan
I've seen the videos.
It's real.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what are we doing here?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're just telling me?
greg fitzsimmons
There's girls that don't either.
But I know a lot that do.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the crazy thing.
Like, I've heard girls yell it out in comedy clubs.
Like, a comic on stage was on stage and he was talking about it.
It's like, some girls love anal.
unidentified
Me!
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're throwing up the bat signal.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, a girl yelling that out?
Like, how much attention does she need?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Woof!
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
What kind of choices has she made other than that bad one?
greg fitzsimmons
Louie used to have a funny bit about anal sex.
He's like, I never got it.
He goes, you're an inch away from the greatest thing in the world.
I just did a couple shows with him in Canada.
We went up to Vancouver and did this theater.
Man, his new hour is fucking good.
joe rogan
It's very good.
greg fitzsimmons
It's so good.
Have you seen him?
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw him at the Creek in the Cave.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, it's just so good.
I mean, I wish I could sit here and quote it, but I know he's going to probably put it out on his next special.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he's still refining it, you know, and fucking around with it.
And he was working on new stuff and playing around when he was here.
But it's interesting to watch him work again.
You know, he's freer now than he's ever been before.
Yeah, yeah.
He's gone through the worst, and now he's on the other end of it, and he's just still doing the same kind of comedy.
Really funny, really ridiculous.
greg fitzsimmons
And he's just the fucking greatest guy.
We had such a good time.
In Vancouver, the mushrooms are legal, so I walked into this shop called the Fungi Shop.
It had the mushrooms on it, and there's a girl working behind the counter, and she's got on a yellow tube top and fucking pink hair and piercings, and she's...
Good for her.
And she's like the shroom, you know, tender.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And I got like, I got an eighth of mushrooms, like fresh, fresh out of the field.
And I took them.
I don't think Louie took them.
And then we went to an art museum.
And just when they kicked in, I was in the art museum.
And then we went to a brunch.
And then we started walking.
And we got to a bus stop.
And I go, let's just sit here and look at these people.
And then a bus pulled up.
I go, let's get on the bus.
And we got on the bus.
And the bus went hurtling out of Vancouver.
Like went over a bridge to an island.
And we just got off.
And we're just wandering around and we went to like a marina and we're looking at the boats and talking to people.
And then we found a bridge that took us back to Vancouver.
And it was like six hours.
And then when we got back to town, we realized there was a film noir festival that was happening at this little indie theater that we had seen before.
And we walk in and the movie was starting in five minutes.
And we saw a double feature film noir as I'm Coming Down.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And I checked my steps at the end of the day, and I did 3,200 steps on mushrooms in Vancouver.
It was one of the greatest days of my life.
joe rogan
That sounds incredible.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What were the movies?
Do you remember?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, one was called Something Highway.
It was in San Francisco, and it was about these guys that had gotten a big load of apples, and they were bringing it from the country to San Francisco.
Yeah.
Thieves Highway.
joe rogan
Is it good?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, it's fucking good.
There was one scene where this guy is engaged to this girl and she's like, you know, she seems really sweet and they kind of play it that everything is really cool between them.
And then he meets a prostitute in San Francisco and he sleeps with her.
And he's like, you're after my money.
And she's like, yeah.
At least you know that with me.
You don't even realize it with her.
And so then later on in the movie, he loses all his money and the fiance fucking leaves him.
and the prostitute just looks at him and she goes, aren't women great?
unidentified
And the whole movie theater...
greg fitzsimmons
It was Phil Morris who it's dark and it's slow and it's quiet.
And she said that line and like 150 people fucking doubled over laughing.
It was so perfect.
unidentified
Aren't women great?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's human nature.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's always going to be wolves.
There's always going to be wolves and there's always going to be sheep.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you're in that situation and you don't recognize the signs...
Someone's getting over on you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
But you know what?
He married that hooker at the end of the movie.
joe rogan
Did he?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, he went away with her.
Yeah, they happily ever after.
joe rogan
Maybe it worked out.
greg fitzsimmons
Hooker with a heart.
We all love the hooker and the heart.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Hooker with a heart in the movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a pretty woman, you know?
greg fitzsimmons
Did you ever believe her as a prostitute in that movie?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It seems unlikely.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
She seems a little too emotionally stable.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
She seemed a little too confident.
joe rogan
She seems like not scarred up.
But that's what everybody wants, right?
Like you want like someone to genuinely be a good person in a bad circumstance who can change.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's love.
Love can see through everything.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
And you can see that it's not her background that you're marrying.
joe rogan
But the gigolo with the heart of gold, that one's not real.
Right?
The male gigolo that seduces the wealthy woman.
greg fitzsimmons
That was his other movie.
That's right.
He was in two hooker movies.
unidentified
Yeah, he was a gigolo.
greg fitzsimmons
He was dating one and he was one.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was one.
Remember?
greg fitzsimmons
Call Me.
Remember that Blondie song?
It was fucking perfect at the beginning of that movie as he's laying out his ties and his shirt.
That was fucking cool.
He was fucking cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was cool as fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Him and Mickey Rourke were the two coolest actors of that day.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, Officer and a Gentleman?
Richard Gere was a bad motherfucker.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he seemed to get a little too Sat Nam in his later years.
greg fitzsimmons
Too what?
joe rogan
A little too Namaste.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little too.
Like, remember when he went up on stage after 9-11?
It's like, we should choose love.
And they were like, boo!
Fuck you!
greg fitzsimmons
We're not in a love right now.
We'll do love in like a couple years.
Right now we need to hate for a little love.
joe rogan
They didn't want to hear that.
They were booing him.
But, you know, he was trying to like talk peace and love to people.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
We don't want to hear it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
What about Mickey Rourke in Pope of Greenwich Village?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
greg fitzsimmons
That was a badass character.
unidentified
And Eric Roberts.
They got my fucking thumb, Charlie!
Charlie!
Charlie!
joe rogan
They got my thumb, Charlie!
greg fitzsimmons
That's one of those movies that I haven't told my son to watch yet because, like, that's one of the...
You'll find this with your daughters as they get older is when they get to start to watch, like, the first time you sit and watch The Godfather with them in movies like that.
Well, you probably had it with like...
joe rogan
I've tried with The Shining.
They're like, boring!
greg fitzsimmons
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah, they think it takes too long.
Boring!
greg fitzsimmons
Wow!
That's a tough audience.
joe rogan
Bro, they're on TikTok.
They need to be stimulated instantaneously.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's hard for them to watch something.
What is this?
greg fitzsimmons
This is the Pope of Grunge Village.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They got my thumb, Charlie.
They got my fucking thumb off, Charlie.
unidentified
The guy's a fucking psycho, man.
He'll chop you up.
joe rogan
Oh, man, it hurts so much.
unidentified
They gave me this stuff.
joe rogan
They gave me this stuff at the hospital.
But I took all of it.
unidentified
I've been taking it all day.
You took all of this?
I took it all, man.
joe rogan
Charlie, what can I do for you?
unidentified
I didn't do nothing, man.
What can I do for you?
It was my life, man.
I didn't want to give the poor bastard up, but it was my life, Charlie.
You Barney ain't family.
I don't know him that much.
joe rogan
They Barney and put it about me, Paulie.
unidentified
Paulie, I'm family.
Did they press you for me?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they press me.
They press me hard.
They got my thumb, Charlie!
greg fitzsimmons
That's a hug.
That's a hug.
With the hole in the face.
Yeah, that's a good hug.
joe rogan
They got my thumb, Charlie.
greg fitzsimmons
What a scene.
What a great fucking scene.
The last of the method actors.
joe rogan
Those guys went on to do some terrible movies.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes, they did.
Until he came back with the...
Was it The Wrestler?
The Wrestler?
joe rogan
The Wrestler.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he'd done some terrible movies since, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it took a long time until he got to The Wrestler.
joe rogan
Eric Roberts did some karate movies.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He did some terrible karate movies.
greg fitzsimmons
There was one like Star 69 or something.
joe rogan
But didn't Eric Roberts do some movie where he's a karate champion?
I remember watching this going, oh my god.
There was some karate, kumite-type movie.
What is it?
Best of the Best Two.
So imagine going from the Pope of Greenwich Village to the Best of the Best Two.
greg fitzsimmons
Wayne Newton.
joe rogan
Is there a fight scene?
Wayne Newton.
Let me see some karate.
He's going after him.
Look at this.
unidentified
The lat pull-downs.
Oh, he got beefed up for that.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It's in a karate movie.
Look at this.
Karate!
unidentified
Hi-yah!
joe rogan
Flying sidekick kicks a guy over a railing.
unidentified
The best of the best.
Who thought of that title?
greg fitzsimmons
What if we call it the best?
joe rogan
Wayne Newton's in there.
greg fitzsimmons
No, we gotta go bigger.
unidentified
Alright, what about the best of the best?
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
1993. I thought he was a comedian.
jamie vernon
You guys didn't recognize him.
joe rogan
What, there was a comedian in there?
jamie vernon
One of the guys that they just showed, I thought he was a comedian.
greg fitzsimmons
Didn't he have a bad accident, Eric Roberts?
joe rogan
I think you're thinking of...
jamie vernon
That guy.
Who's that?
joe rogan
Oh, that's Sean Penn's brother.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Chris Penn.
Chris Penn.
He's no longer with us, right?
No, he's not.
No, you're thinking of the guy from Lethal Weapon who had a bad motorcycle accident.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I think Eric Roberts had an accident, too.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck's the guy from Lethal Weapon?
The older, crazy guy.
You know the guy.
jamie vernon
He did get in a car accident.
Eric Roberts.
joe rogan
Did he?
A bad one?
greg fitzsimmons
I think he had a rough time after that accident.
joe rogan
But that's two years afterwards he did this movie.
unidentified
That was 93. Something happened to his hand, it says.
joe rogan
Karate accident.
But no, what the fuck is his name, man?
The old dude.
Gary Busey.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Gary Busey.
greg fitzsimmons
He had a motorcycle accident.
joe rogan
No helmet.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hit his head on a curb.
greg fitzsimmons
And he was a big anti-helmet guy, too.
He was like an advocate for not wearing helmets.
unidentified
Brr.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, Eric Roberts' daughter is a huge actress now.
Emma Roberts.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
greg fitzsimmons
That's his daughter.
Yeah, she's huge.
joe rogan
People can be huge, and I have no idea who they are today.
I'm so removed.
How did Eric Roberts, how Eric Roberts went big, crashed hard.
Well, he was high on cocaine.
Eric had a horrible, horrific car accident in 1981. Oh, 81. So it was 93 that he was in that movie.
I was in a coma.
My speech was very retarded.
I had to learn how to walk again.
I don't think you're allowed to say that, Eric.
In 2018, you could say retarded stuff.
But he was also on Celebrity Rehab.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
It was a weird one.
Because he was rehabbing off of weed, so he was basically just reading a newspaper, hanging out.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people are getting itches, and they're fucking screaming at each other, Fuck you!
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck you!
joe rogan
And Eric Robbins is over there drinking coffee.
greg fitzsimmons
He barely seemed like there's anything wrong with him.
joe rogan
He shouldn't be in rehab.
He's just here for the fucking sack check.
This is ridiculous.
greg fitzsimmons
He's addicted to fame.
joe rogan
Remember Stan Hope had a bit about how unethical celebrity rehab is?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a great bit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a fucking great bit because it's so true.
What a terrible thing to do to people who are coming off of drugs.
Take a fucking camera in their face.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
It's like the worst idea ever for someone trying to recover.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, there's a reason why it's Alcoholics Anonymous.
Part of the reason why it's anonymous is that you don't want to hold somebody up as a role model for sobriety because if they then lose their sobriety, it fucks up people that were looking to them.
You're supposed to look to yourself and your higher power.
joe rogan
Interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And so the last thing you want to do is put celebrities out there to encourage people to get sober.
joe rogan
Especially watching them deteriorate on the show, too.
It's horrible.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then, like, I don't care what the fuck your check is and what the attention that you're getting.
It's not worth it.
Like, you don't want everybody judging you based on the worst.
Time in your life.
Coming off a coke.
Trying to get your shit together.
Penniless.
You need to be on this show.
You're a famous person and you're not wealthy at all.
Because you need to be on the show.
So what's the show pay?
How much does it pay?
Can't be a lot.
It can't be like for the rest of your life money.
It might get you by for the year, but now you're stuck with the memory that everybody has about you like throwing up in a bathtub.
Coming down off of opiates.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, unless you can really nail it and know you're gonna get sober.
You know, America loves a redemption story.
joe rogan
Dennis Rodman didn't.
All he did was run on a treadmill.
He was fine.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because with him, it's like alcohol.
Like parties.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
So he's just like working out all the time while he's there.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, you know, people are saying horrible, insulting shit to each other, and then they just put that on television.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ugh.
greg fitzsimmons
I could never watch that.
There was another show that was called...
It was a show where they...
Oh, Intervention.
You ever see Intervention?
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
Same kind of thing.
unidentified
Man, that's intense.
greg fitzsimmons
It was regular people, but you would call them and you would stage an intervention with somebody and they would think that the TV crew was following them around about something else.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
greg fitzsimmons
Until the moment where they walked into the room and their friends and family and therapist was there and then there'd be an intervention.
joe rogan
What a dirty trap.
greg fitzsimmons
It was a dirty trap, but it was a good fucking show, man.
It was powerful.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
People get obsessed with watching people go off the rails, like hoarders.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
People love watching that.
They love watching people off the rails, going to their houses, boxes of newspapers stacked up to the ceiling, cat shit on the floor.
It's like, whoa!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, because they're trying to make people feel better about themselves, and they've got to go pretty low.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Gotta shoot low to go below America.
joe rogan
But it is weird how we become obsessed with people whose lives are falling apart.
Like, we'll focus on, like, my 600-pound life or something like that.
Like, people, they want to go, well, I feel better.
I'm not that guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And you also realize, like...
If you think about as crazy as you've ever been in your life, like what's the worst you've ever been and how much further could it have gone if you didn't self-correct?
If you didn't course-correct in your life, would you ever have gotten to the point where you were one of those people that can't get off the couch because you're 600 pounds?
Would you be one of those people that gambles away every fucking penny you have no matter what?
And that you're in debt and you're terrified and you're like Adam Sandler in Rough Cut Gems or Uncut Gems?
Did you see that movie?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Great fucking movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that movie gave me wild anxiety.
Because I was like, I know people like this.
I could see this being a real guy.
Like, he can't fucking stop.
He can't stop.
He can't stop gambling.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's just addicted.
It's like, like, you imagine that was you.
Like, when I see a guy like Adam Sandler in Uncut Gems, I imagine I could be that guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah!
unidentified
With what?
joe rogan
If I was him?
If I was him, living his life?
greg fitzsimmons
With gambling?
joe rogan
With gambling!
You're that guy, living that...
You could see the...
That was so well done and well written.
You could see the thrill in, like, the winning.
Like, occasionally he would win, and then he would lose, and when he'd lose, he'd fucking devastated, but when he'd win, he'd be like, Fuck yeah!
Fuck yeah!
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Norm had that.
Norm was a gambler.
He lost everything, like, three times.
And I'm not speaking out of school.
It was documented.
He would gamble on, like my friend wrote on one of his shows, and he would gamble if there was no pro football or basketball or whatever, he would be betting on girls' high school basketball.
unidentified
Jesus.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, whatever.
joe rogan
So how does he do that?
Does he have a bookie?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he calls this guy up and goes, what do you got for me?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're like, girls' high school basketball.
I was like, let's go.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, the thrill of gambling is apparently one of the most difficult to kick.
People with gambler problems, Gamblers Anonymous, and I think it's a lot, like we were talking about with the football players, is the high, obviously it's not comparable, but their high, that's their highest of highs, is winning at gambling.
And then the thrill of chasing money and the wondering whether or not you're going to succeed and then losing it and then dodging the bookies and trying to go to another casino and gather up a stake.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's what they say is a huge part of it is it's actually the losing as much as the winning.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
It's the fear of what's going to happen when I lose and then feeling that panic and that low.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It's about the low in a way.
joe rogan
I knew so many guys that were gambling junkies from my pool hall days.
So many guys, like every day, they'd go to off-track betting, they would come to the pool hall, and they would gamble, they'd play cards.
And if they had a job, it was just to scratch up enough money to gamble with.
All they cared about was gambling.
They were just absorbed with it.
And it was really interesting.
greg fitzsimmons
What kind of gambling?
joe rogan
They would play poker, they would play gin, they would shoot pool.
But the problem with pool is you have to execute.
And a lot of guys didn't like that.
But you had to be able to make a shot.
And so it's nerves and controlling yourself.
A lot of these guys, their nerves are shattered.
So they were just gambling on stuff.
A lot of them were horse bettors.
I knew a guy who got barred for life from carriage racing because they caught him standing up while the horse was winning.
He was trying to slow the horses down so much he stood up.
It was like pulling back on the reins.
And they banned him for life.
And he was always talking about...
We used to call him George the Greek.
His name was George.
He's a Greek guy.
The nicknames for people were very obvious.
It was Ray the Fireman, Mount Vernon Tommy.
It's like, where are you from?
What's your name?
And George the Greek was always talking about William Kunstler.
He's my attorney.
unidentified
He's going to take care of my fucking millions off these cocksuckers.
joe rogan
And he was a dirty racer.
He was corrupt.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
Good guy to know.
joe rogan
He was always running some kind of a scam.
There was always something going on with one of those guys.
He was like, listen, you should invest in this.
It's going to make a lot of money.
I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get the fuck away from me.
greg fitzsimmons
There was this guy who was a father of...
My daughter was on a soccer team, and one of the girl's fathers used to come to the games, and he had a brand new red Corvette, and he always had on shiny clothes, and he was a professional gambler.
And he would tell me about, like, I'm going to Vegas, he plays poker, and he makes money.
And every week, I fucking love talking to this guy.
He was just so full of life.
And then one day he shows up, and he's in like a...
78 Dotson B210 with fucking the wrong quarter panel on it.
I'm like, bad weekend in Vegas?
He's like, I don't want to talk about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
He changed pink slips with somebody.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He can go off the rails.
Those gamblers, if you're betting high enough and chasing that dragon of excitement, you're probably going to risk it all.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine the thrill of putting your wife's asleep at home.
She doesn't even know you're putting your fucking house on a game of roulette.
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Coming to America was such a fucking great premise.
You ever see that movie, that Albert Brooks movie?
They leave L.A. It's Albert Brooks and his wife is the woman from Airplane.
Remember the woman who's the star of Airplane?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And so they're successful yuppies, and they're making tons of money, and they have a nice house, and they decide to sell everything.
They're going to simplify.
We're going to buy a mobile home, and we're going to spend the rest of our lives just traveling, living life.
So they put all their money into a bank account.
They get into Winnebago.
First stop out of LA to get to the Grand Canyon is gonna be Las Vegas.
And so they go down and they play a little bit of blackjack and she's losing and then he goes, "All right, come on, let's go." And she's like, "I can just play one or two more hands." So he goes to bed and she stays playing and she's got the bug.
She doesn't realize she's got a gambling problem and she gambles all night and she loses all their money.
They call it the nest egg.
joe rogan
Oh, I remember that.
greg fitzsimmons
The nest egg.
You're not allowed to say nest egg.
You're not allowed to say egg.
You can't say nest.
And then he goes to Gary Marshall, who plays the manager of the casino, and he's trying to pitch to him, what if I do a commercial for you guys and I say, hey, look, you gave the money back to a customer.
And it's fucking hilarious.
So that's the first act of the movie, and the rest of the movie is just them broke.
Oh, this is a great scene.
joe rogan
Play this.
jamie vernon
Oh, it's just the trailer.
It's just the trailer of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It just happened to be the right same time.
It's her losing the money right here.
joe rogan
Albert Brooks was great.
unidentified
Yeah.
This would be their rule.
joe rogan
He played a great, like, hapless guy who finds himself in terrible circumstances.
unidentified
Nothing?
Well, give her $10,000.
As the boldest experiment in advertising history, you give us our money back.
We're finished talking.
greg fitzsimmons
One of the greatest comedies of all time.
joe rogan
The boldest experiment in advertising history.
No, he was great, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
You know how he got started?
He grew up in Beverly Hills.
His brother was Super Dave Osborne.
Did you know that?
joe rogan
No.
I think I did know.
greg fitzsimmons
The guy from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
That's his brother.
And his actual name in real life is Albert Einstein, Albert Brooks.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And so he grew up and his best friend growing up in Beverly Hills was Rob Reiner.
And so Carl Reiner is on The Tonight Show one night with Johnny Carson and Carson goes, who do you think is, I mean, you work with Mel Brooks, you've been with the greats, like, who's the funniest person that you know?
And he said, my 15 year old son's friend, Albert Einstein.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And so Johnny goes, I want him on the show.
So they book him on the show and he comes on and he does this bit.
I don't know if this was the first bit that he did.
It might have been the first bit that he did.
He had one of those Simon Says things where you like push A and it goes A, B, and he does like a comedy routine with the Simon Says.
And he's 15. Maybe 16. He fucking destroys.
And Carson starts bringing him back.
And he did Carson like 20 times before he was like 21 years old.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And he would always come on with these conceptual bits.
And that's how his career started.
joe rogan
I don't think people can even appreciate the impact of being on Carson today.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I don't think people understand.
greg fitzsimmons
There was three channels.
There was 20 million people watching Carson every night.
joe rogan
And when he likes someone, they would be successful.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a comic, like guys like Richard Jenny, who would do the Carson show.
Like, that's what made him.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
People seeing him do five minutes on Carson.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's not dissimilar from doing the Joe Rogan experience.
joe rogan
It's different, for sure, you know?
There's a lot more options now.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
It's like five million podcasts.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
That Tonight Show thing, like...
If he didn't like you, you were fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it was over.
It all came down to that.
And if he liked you, I mean, yeah, comedians talked about it.
They said that all you had to do was tell a club booker that you did the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, and all of a sudden your money went from $1,500 a week to $15,000.
joe rogan
Didn't Howard Stern have a famous feud with him?
greg fitzsimmons
With Carson?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
They hated each other.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh.
joe rogan
That was one of those weird times where if one of those guys crossed you, if you were in a bad situation with one of those guys, it's not that many people.
greg fitzsimmons
Joan Rivers was the guest host for him forever.
And then Fox gave her her own talk show and he was outraged that she would compete against him.
And he never had her back on the show.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
greg fitzsimmons
And she was a staple of the show.
She was, like, his go-to person.
She used to host when he was off.
joe rogan
Shouldn't he be, like, happy?
She's getting her own show?
greg fitzsimmons
You would think.
joe rogan
But I think, like, the competition then was a real thing.
Because we don't think of competition the same way.
Because with the internet, like, all that stuff's been eroded.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's so many choices.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do whatever you want at any time.
So if someone's watching you at 11 o'clock...
They could watch that another time.
It doesn't matter.
But back then it mattered.
You had to be in front of your fucking television at 11pm and that's when The Tonight Show came on.
Period.
End of discussion.
It only came on at one time and you had to sit there and watch it then.
And there was no VCRs and you gotta remember that this guy was on The Tonight Show.
And then if you're on The Tonight Show three times, four times, like, oh, it's Don Rickles again.
I love Don Rickles.
And you'd see him again.
Like, oh, it's Don Rickles.
And then they became a person that was in the public sphere.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's nothing like that now.
I mean, we don't understand the access we have to just different content.
And there's so many more options for people to do things now.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Yeah, now it's like everybody's got a publicist because they have to work so many different avenues.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, you got to scramble to get on, you know, cable and podcasts and blogs.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
It's crazy.
joe rogan
But it's also like some things rise up and some things get noticed.
And you're like, why is that thing getting noticed?
And some of it's artificial and that doesn't work.
You know, they'll pop up some celebrity and give them a podcast and make a big deal out of it.
But after a while, people are like, this sucks.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they stop listening.
There's too many options.
When you're alone by yourself...
All that finagling and promoting things, it doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
People like what they like.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
When you're alone, you get to choose.
What do I want to watch?
I want to watch this.
That's the real determination of whether or not something's good.
greg fitzsimmons
And we don't keep watching.
The fact that we both stopped watching The Old Man, people didn't used to stop watching.
You kept watching your series.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bail on stuff.
greg fitzsimmons
I bail all the time.
joe rogan
Did you see what they did in the House of Dragons?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I bailed on that last week.
joe rogan
House of the Dragon put all new actors in.
greg fitzsimmons
That's when I bailed.
joe rogan
I was like, what are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
And the only compelling actor on the show was the daughter.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
So stupid.
joe rogan
You could have just made her look older.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
You fucking idiots.
greg fitzsimmons
First of all, she looked like a 25-year-old actress playing a 15-year-old actress.
It would not have been a stretch.
joe rogan
And she's supposed to look 35, right?
In the next one, it's like 10 years later or whatever it is.
That's not hard to do.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
You could do that.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Why did you do that?
greg fitzsimmons
It's crazy.
joe rogan
And they kept some actors?
So they kept some?
And they look exactly the same?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they just replaced people?
And they said, oh, but we cast the first people first.
And then they always knew the people that got replaced always knew they were going to be replaced.
That's still a terrible idea.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That idea sucks.
greg fitzsimmons
And there's not enough dragon.
I want to see dragons.
I want to see them fighting.
I want to see them torching shit up.
joe rogan
They occasionally use the dragons.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very occasional.
Threatened with the dragon a little bit, but nothing happens.
But it's also...
They had me until they changed actors.
And, you know, my wife was like, fuck this.
Like, what the fuck did they just do to me?
Like, what did they just do?
Why did they replace the queen?
But they kept the king?
They just made the king look older?
But you got a whole new queen?
greg fitzsimmons
It took me, like, five minutes to realize what was going on.
I was like, who is she?
Oh, she's her?
No.
joe rogan
What?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Why?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and the king, I mean, look, who am I to knock anybody's acting?
But, like, I don't find the king to be very, uh, good.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
He's like, I'm sure he's a good actor, but maybe he's not right for the part, but I'm not excited about the king.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's not compelling.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
But the changing of the actors was a giant clusterfuck of a mistake.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like whoever greenlit that, like where was the adult in the room?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is there another fucking way here?
You've got people committed to these people for hours and hours.
They're committed to these particular characters.
Now you're asking this, like, you have to just accept that you have new actors.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So now I know it's all bullshit.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, when they did it with The Crown, at least they did it from season to season.
And I think there was three different queens.
joe rogan
I never watched that.
greg fitzsimmons
It was good.
And I fucking hate The Royal Family.
I mean, first of all, I can't believe...
I just can't believe The Queen is dead.
I feel like it was just yesterday that I couldn't believe she was alive.
unidentified
Yesterday...
greg fitzsimmons
All my queens were...
But I'm not a fan of The Royal Family, but that show is really fucking good.
Olivia Colman is unbelievable.
joe rogan
I haven't watched it.
But, you know, if you're going to do it every season, I guess, as long as I know you're going to do it every season, okay.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Okay.
Suspension of disbelief.
greg fitzsimmons
But not mid-season.
unidentified
Episode 5?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it, 6?
Whatever it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck outta here.
Why'd you do that?
Like, you could've made those people look old.
It's not hard to do.
greg fitzsimmons
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
It's not impossible.
You have people who look like fucking dragons, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have White Walkers.
You have all this makeup.
Put some old people makeup on that young girl.
Sure.
Change her voice a little bit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Fuck are you doing?
But the night is still the same?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You have the same night?
He looks exactly the same age?
Like, what are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
And then they've also got, because of the time, the men are all dressed the same, and they all have black, kind of wavy, long hair.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And so you can't tell, is that that guy?
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Or is that the other guy?
And now all of a sudden you're replacing him?
So now I've got to make that adjustment?
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
Here's another point.
There's another real problem.
This is a prequel to Game of Thrones.
There's black people in the prequel.
greg fitzsimmons
They're all gone later.
joe rogan
They're all gone later.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So what happened?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's zero black people in Game of Thrones?
How many black people are in Game of Thrones?
greg fitzsimmons
I can't remember any.
joe rogan
But there's quite a few in House of the Dragon.
greg fitzsimmons
There's a lot.
joe rogan
So what's going on?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You went through how many seasons with no black people in Game of Thrones?
And in the prequel, they're in every episode?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where'd they go?
greg fitzsimmons
And it's the same island.
It's the same island.
joe rogan
Where'd they go?
greg fitzsimmons
And why do they all have white hair?
I don't understand!
joe rogan
Are you gonna address this?
greg fitzsimmons
Can we just have black people giving them white hair?
Why did you do that?
joe rogan
Well, there was some black people in Game of Thrones, weren't there?
There were certainly those eunuchs, the slaves, right?
There was those guys.
Remember those guys that fought for her?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But they were eunuchs.
And then there was certainly places that people went that had people of color.
But they didn't have royal family.
Like in this movie, it's royal family.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like the Targaryens or the Lannisters or whatever.
What the fuck, man?
greg fitzsimmons
Crazy.
joe rogan
Changing actors mid-show is so bonkers.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just such a bonkers idea.
And they just said, okay, this is how we're going to handle it.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You just fuck people's heads up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
You're trying to hook people into a show, and just as you build the character and get them excited about them.
And she was good.
I liked the young queen.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
It was great.
joe rogan
And also, her uncle, the guy who molested her, spoiler alert, he's still around.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, he's still around.
joe rogan
And he's the same.
greg fitzsimmons
Doesn't look any older.
joe rogan
But she's like this totally different lady now.
greg fitzsimmons
He's in The Crown.
He plays Prince Philip in The Crown.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I haven't watched the Lord of the Rings thing on Amazon, but I heard it's a fucking disaster.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, is it?
It's the most expensive TV show ever made.
unidentified
Fucking disaster.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you know how much they spent on it?
joe rogan
How much?
greg fitzsimmons
$800 million.
Right, Jamie?
Can you look that up?
I think it was $800 million for like seven episodes.
unidentified
What?
greg fitzsimmons
$700 million for eight episodes.
Something crazy.
joe rogan
And I heard that the people that did it have never run a show before.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, no shit.
joe rogan
First time showrunners?
unidentified
This is $465 million.
greg fitzsimmons
$465 million.
jamie vernon
This was last year, though.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
Oh.
That's a lot.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I see now $715 to date, so they might have spent more of it since the last year.
joe rogan
$715 to date.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
How's that doing?
What are the reviews?
What's like Rotten Tomatoes on the new Lord?
I know Elon Musk talks shit about it.
A lot of people are very upset.
jamie vernon
84% Rotten Tomatoes.
joe rogan
Dorks, liars, Russian troll farms.
unidentified
I'll check it out.
joe rogan
6.9 IMDb.
That's actually pretty good.
greg fitzsimmons
I didn't watch any of the movies.
Did you watch the Lord of the Rings movies?
joe rogan
Yes.
Loved them.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I was a big fan of the books when I was a kid.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
The books are incredible.
I mean, the guy wrote a language.
He wrote a fucking...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he wrote a whole language to go with the whole story.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Like the Gollum and the Ring and that whole story.
Like, oh, my God.
That was amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He just so speaks to human nature.
This poor creature just captivated by this object.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Precious.
I remember being 14 and being like, wow.
Transported to another play.
Like, that was when reading was intense.
Do you remember that?
Laying in your bed at night, reading Lord of the Rings, or Lying the Witch in the Wardrobe, or one of those books, and you just get sucked in.
joe rogan
For me, it was Stephen King books.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that was like my favorite when I was a kid.
Whenever I'd get a hold of a Stephen King book.
greg fitzsimmons
Those were thick, too.
Those were long-ass books.
joe rogan
That motherfucker could write his ass off.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was so prolific, too.
jamie vernon
This is a breakdown of the budget here.
Average of $89 million per episode.
In comparison, the whole first season, or a season of Game of Thrones cost about $100 million.
$15 million per show in the last two seasons.
joe rogan
Yeah, you might want to check someone's bank account.
jamie vernon
But you paid $250 million just to get it.
joe rogan
Wow, just to secure the digital rights.
Wow.
Wow.
Well, maybe it's good.
I've been hearing it's a disaster.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that HBO? Oh, no.
jamie vernon
Amazon.
joe rogan
I'll give it a shot.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
Oh, you've got to give it a shot.
Shit, if they're going to spend that much money, I'll watch it.
I'll give you one.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like that Gray Man movie.
I think that movie was a couple hundred million dollars.
How much was the Gray Man for Netflix?
I think it was the most money they ever spent on a film.
greg fitzsimmons
A hundred million dollars?
joe rogan
I think it's more.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, and then the thing is with...
joe rogan
$200 million?
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Whoa.
joe rogan
For a Netflix movie.
greg fitzsimmons
$200 million?
joe rogan
For a Netflix movie.
greg fitzsimmons
And that doesn't include, like, marketing and all that shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah, they did a one-release in the theater.
greg fitzsimmons
Shit.
joe rogan
That's a lot of mood.
greg fitzsimmons
They put it out for a week just so if they could win an Oscar.
unidentified
That's why they put it out.
joe rogan
Is that why they do it?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It only has to play for one week.
joe rogan
The movie is fun, but the book is way more brutal.
Way more brutal.
Yeah.
It's hard to do something like that and turn it into a movie where you actually like the hero.
He's murdering people.
Right.
He's the best at killing people.
They pulled it off with John Wick, but that's generally hard to pull off.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
John Wick is a hitman that everybody loves.
greg fitzsimmons
Iceman Cometh.
See that?
joe rogan
No.
Is that the docu-series?
Is that on the Iceman?
The Kulinski?
greg fitzsimmons
The Iceman, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That guy was terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But it is weird how you're kind of pulling for him.
Because he's got a wife and he's really sweet to his daughter.
And then he goes off in his car at night and he just fucking kills people.
joe rogan
Yeah, he killed people for the mob.
He killed people for fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, the thing is with him is he killed for different mob families.
He was a hired gun for the Gambinos and the—what was the other one?
I can't name all the crime families in New York, but he worked for different crime families against each other.
He was a freelance guy.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz gave me a book once on, it's called Murder Machine, about Roy DeMeo.
Roy DeMeo was, he was a hitman who became a serial killer.
He was basically a sociopath.
And they, just a total psychopath.
And they had, like, a room upstairs above this social club, and they would take guys to the room upstairs and just chop them up in the bathtub, and they would kill people, like, constantly.
It was killing, like, a hundred people.
greg fitzsimmons
A hundred people he killed?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Who knows how many he killed?
greg fitzsimmons
Jesus.
joe rogan
Killed so many people.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
And the book is terrifying.
The book's called Murder Machine.
But it's all about that guy.
So if you find Roy DeMeo, the story of Roy DeMeo.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, imagine if you're an organized crime family and you find a guy who's a serial killer.
He enjoys doing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, first-rate story of a mafia murder crew so deadly that even John Gotti turned aside a contract on its leader.
New York Daily News reports Mustaine and Capecci, co-authors Mobstar 1989, tell a fascinating and repellently detailed story of Roy DeMeo and the gang he raised from teenagers in Carnese, a Brooklyn neighborhood where death by natural causes is six bullets in the head, according to one cop.
The middle class DeMayo, a natural criminal, was carrying cash in brown paper bags and driving a Cadillac by his high school senior year.
After establishing loans to trucking headquarters in his Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn, he shipped scores of stolen luxury cars to Kuwait, distributed drugs.
One of his crew was the chief supplier of cocaine at Studio 54.
wholesale child pornography. - Damn! - When the inevitable business disputes arose, his crew simply made the other parties disappear.
The victims were lured into a clubhouse behind the Gemini Lounge before they were shot and dismembered.
It's just like taking apart a deer, it says, then secured in hefty bags and tossed on the carnosy dump One murder led so easily to another that soon the Gemini method was used on anybody who got in the gang's way or annoyed them.
DeMeo presented three of his co-crazed crew with a set of custom carving knives, which they kept in their car trunks in case a quick assignment arose.
The special NYPD-FBI task force cracked the DeMeo gang.
It tagged the criminals for 75 murders.
DeMeo, who was rubbed out by fellow mobsters as the cops closed in, bragged of 100 personally, making him far more destructive than any known U.S. serial killer.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
Scary-ass book.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn!
You read that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That would freak me out.
joe rogan
You gotta read this, cocksucker.
greg fitzsimmons
Find out about the dark side.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Well, I remember when you lived in Little Italy, when I went to visit you.
You had an apartment in Little Italy right down the street from the social club.
greg fitzsimmons
Next door.
joe rogan
While everything was going on.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I was on Mulberry Street between Prince and Spring, and the Ravenite Social Club, which was Gotti's headquarters, was downstairs in one apartment over from me.
And they used to go Wednesday night was the night when they all met.
And so all these limos would start pulling up along the street.
They would double park all the way down Mulberry Street and they would go inside.
And the way – originally they got a wiretap inside the club at some point.
I don't know how they got it in but that's how they took down Gotti.
But then so then Gotti found out about the wiretaps.
So they started walking down Mulberry Street.
They'd walk up and down and they'd have their business conversations.
So the FBI parked cars there ahead of Wednesday night and they put microphones in the hubcaps of the cars.
So as they walk by, they would pick up the snippets of conversation.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that was your neighborhood?
greg fitzsimmons
That was downstairs.
joe rogan
What is it like sleeping, knowing that shit was right next door?
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, the people that we rented our apartment from, their name were Tony and Gladys.
I'm not going to say their last name.
And they were in their 70s, and their son Gregory...
Who is in construction.
I just bought them a condo around the corner.
And so they had this beautiful condo around the corner.
And this was a six-floor walk-up apartment that I sublet from them.
And it was me and George McDonald.
And we paid...
I think we paid $1,000 a month for, it was a one bedroom, and they had illegally knocked a door down into a studio apartment next door.
So we paid $1,000 for that.
And I would pay them, the first of the month I'd go over to their condo, and they would make espressos, and they had cannolis, and we'd sit down, you always had to sit down with them.
And I'd give her, I'd give them $800.
And then when Toni would go in the next room, I would give her another 200 cash, because that was her bingo money.
and Tony don't need to know about that.
unidentified
So Tony thought he was getting ate.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes, he thought he was getting eight.
And so we got broken into one time.
Somebody came in through the roof.
And this was when I was doing stand-up in New York, so I had a lot of cash, because you're running around doing cash spots every night.
So I had like $1,000, which at the time was a fucking lot of money.
I had $1,000 sitting on my desk, and it got stolen and some other shit.
And I told Tony and Gladys what happened, and they go, We're going to talk to some people about that.
We're going to find out who did it, because we know people.
You know who I know.
I'm not saying who I know, but you know who I know, and we're going to tell some people about it.
Don't worry about it.
We'll take care of it.
joe rogan
So what happened?
greg fitzsimmons
Nothing happened.
joe rogan
Nothing happened.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know how much he really knew Gotti, but...
I'm sure he did.
joe rogan
Probably knew him a little, but imagine talking about that.
Mr. Gotti, I need to talk to you about something.
That's it.
That's the Raven Knight Social Club right there.
Look how they used to dress on purpose.
greg fitzsimmons
That's my apartment.
Dude, I walked up and down six fucking floors every day.
joe rogan
That's got to be good for you.
How'd you carry a couch up there?
greg fitzsimmons
It was all their stuff.
It all had plastic on the couch.
There was shell casings in one of the end tables.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
What is that neighborhood like now?
Is it still an Italian neighborhood?
greg fitzsimmons
No, it's all super expensive boutique-y shops, you know, the kind of places where you walk in and they sell like six pairs of jeans and three belts for like $1,000 each and great little restaurants that have like five tables in them.
joe rogan
They still have those kind of places there?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that tenement's still there.
unidentified
Wait, one, two, three, four, five.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe it was only five stories.
I thought it was six.
joe rogan
All right, Gregory, let's wrap this up.
Let's bring it home.
People want to see Gregory on the road.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm going to be coming to you New Orleans next weekend and Lafayette, Louisiana, and then I will be in Chicago at the Den Theater October 15th.
joe rogan
Is it gregfitzsimmons.com?
greg fitzsimmons
gregfitzsimmons.com, also Punchline in San Francisco, Tampa, SideSplitters, Hyenas in Dallas.
joe rogan
So glad Punchline's still around in San Francisco.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Same spot.
Remember, we almost lost that spot.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
Burr and Chappelle and a bunch of people all flew up there and did shows and kind of bailed them out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
But, yeah, and then the podcast is Fitz Dog Radio.
joe rogan
There it is.
greg fitzsimmons
Tour dates.
And then I do Sunday papers on Sundays with Mike Gibbons.
We cover the news every week.
And Childish with Alison Rosen.
joe rogan
Oh, you're going to be out here in Dallas at Hyenas in December.
greg fitzsimmons
Hyenas Fort Worth, yeah.
joe rogan
I heard that place is a shit.
greg fitzsimmons
It's great.
I did it once before.
joe rogan
I've never done it.
I heard it's awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's really nice.
It's kind of got an indie feel.
joe rogan
Greg, you're the man.
I love you.
greg fitzsimmons
Love you too, man.
Thanks for having me on.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
unidentified
All right.
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