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Joe Rogan Experience #1860 - Tim Dillon
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joe rogan
Oh, hi, Tim Dillon.
tim dillon
Joe Rogan, thank you for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
tim dillon
Thank you for having me, sir.
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
That was fun, going over to the club.
tim dillon
It was amazing.
It's going to be great.
It's going to be great.
I'm excited about it.
I'm excited, and Louie was there.
joe rogan
I'm glad we got him to look at it, too.
tim dillon
He has some great notes.
Been, what would you say, 30-something?
I mean, you guys have been around the same time.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a little bit before me, but he's got to be 35 years in now.
tim dillon
So he's been to every configuration of a comedy venue.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And so have you, probably.
So hearing you guys talk about this place and that place, you now have all the benefit of all that knowledge to make your spot amazing.
joe rogan
And we're doing it from scratch.
Right.
So we could just adjust, change, do things.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
He had really good notes today.
tim dillon
You have the money, you have the time.
You have everything that would make it perfect.
joe rogan
It's exciting.
tim dillon
What about Cap City's going to open too?
joe rogan
They're open already.
Calen just did it.
tim dillon
Will you, like, do you think you would, like, threaten them?
No.
Would you, like, do a bomb threat or something?
joe rogan
No, I'll work there.
tim dillon
Well, there should be some kind of war.
joe rogan
No?
unidentified
Nah.
tim dillon
No?
joe rogan
Who gives a fuck?
tim dillon
All right.
Well, I just thought it would be good.
joe rogan
If you're the United States, do you invade Cambodia in 2022?
Why would you do that?
tim dillon
Well, maybe.
joe rogan
They're not a threat.
tim dillon
That's a good point.
They're not a threat.
Okay.
So I like it.
We're in a war already.
joe rogan
It's no war.
tim dillon
It's a minor war.
joe rogan
It's the opposite of a war.
tim dillon
It's a cold war.
joe rogan
It's a unity.
tim dillon
It's unity.
joe rogan
We're bringing everybody together.
tim dillon
Okay, I like that.
joe rogan
Texas doesn't want to fight New Mexico.
We're all in the same country.
tim dillon
There's a lot of states Texas does want to fight.
joe rogan
Texas might want to fight California.
tim dillon
Texas and California should fight.
joe rogan
First they want to fight Mexico.
tim dillon
California grows their own food.
They have that benefit.
joe rogan
Texas has the guns.
unidentified
They grow almonds.
tim dillon
They've got some good produce.
joe rogan
They waste all the water on almonds.
tim dillon
That's a lot of almonds, but almond milk is good.
joe rogan
It's not.
tim dillon
You don't like it?
joe rogan
It's gross.
It's only good with sugar.
You ever have almond milk with no sugar in it?
tim dillon
I get the one that's like sweet.
I get like cookie dough flavored almond milk.
Oh yeah, no.
I don't do unsweetened almond milk.
I do like chemical sweetener.
joe rogan
Of course.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Duncan Trussell's like, dude, I switched to almond milk.
It's amazing.
I go, look at it right now and tell me how many grams of sugar per serving.
tim dillon
Oh, it's crazy.
joe rogan
He's like, holy shit, it's 19!
tim dillon
Yeah.
You know what?
I've been having some rarely, but in the Hamptons, they have non-homogenized real cow's milk.
joe rogan
Oh, it's great.
tim dillon
It's really good.
joe rogan
It's better for you.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Raw milk is better for you.
tim dillon
It tastes better.
joe rogan
It just doesn't last long, but it's not supposed to last long.
tim dillon
No, it's supposed to come in a glass bottle.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And you're supposed to use it and then get rid of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're supposed to have it for a couple days and that's it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all it's supposed to last.
tim dillon
They have really good, they have farm stands out there on that part of Long Island with fresh vegetables and then the milk and everything like that.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
tim dillon
Yeah, it feels like when billionaires get involved, you have good options, you know?
joe rogan
How much time are you spending out in the Hamptons?
tim dillon
Not a ton.
I mean, we're on the road.
We're back and forth everywhere.
But I like to go out there and just chill and swim in the pool and invite the New York guys out.
New York comics.
joe rogan
How long does that drive?
tim dillon
About an hour and 35 to two hours, depending.
joe rogan
Wow.
tim dillon
Yeah.
So I'll have them out for a day and then everybody will go do spots at night.
So I'm doing a thing, Labor Day, I'll have some people out there and stuff.
joe rogan
Is there any comedy out there in the Hamptons?
tim dillon
No, they don't want any comedy there or any tourism.
They've actually, there's very few hotels and the hotels are three or four thousand a night and they're not anything great, but what they want is to keep people out.
There's one road in and one road out.
They've done a great job of keeping regular human beings out with their fat, disgusting families.
They've kept them out, and they've done a great job.
All the while, tweeting about, no human is illegal.
Love is love.
You know?
We must embrace everybody.
joe rogan
Sure.
tim dillon
But what they've really done, where they live, and this is what rich people are very good at.
They're very good.
They like to live in places that are inhospitable to other people.
You know?
Like, they put houses on cliffs in Malibu, nowhere near anybody, and out in the Hamptons, they go to the far-flung end of Long Island.
They like to be away from other people.
joe rogan
Do you go out there?
Do you, like, go to parties?
You hang out with those people?
tim dillon
No, I don't really get invited to parties.
I'm waiting.
joe rogan
I would invite you.
tim dillon
I would invite me, too.
But I've not been invited.
I've not been invited.
I was invited to one or two parties in Austin.
I went, I said something about them, and then I was never invited again.
joe rogan
I brought you to the Elon party.
tim dillon
Yes, that was very nice.
unidentified
That was fun.
tim dillon
I went to some tech guy's party, and I made a joke or two about it on the podcast, and then the invitations dried out.
You know?
Ben went back to his party, and the guy gave Ben like a dirty look.
unidentified
Really?
tim dillon
Yeah, because I told Ben, I'm like, don't go.
We're on this list by mistake.
He doesn't want us coming back.
He just didn't edit the list.
Don't show up.
Ben's like, I don't know.
I think we're invited.
I'm like, we're not.
And he showed up, and the guy gave him a really dirty look.
unidentified
Really?
tim dillon
Yeah, because he didn't want him there.
joe rogan
Really?
He gave him a dirty look?
tim dillon
That's right, because Ben writes my whole show.
joe rogan
He writes all the ad libs?
tim dillon
Everything that I say that seems like it's off the top of my head is written by Ben Avery, at Ben Avery is good on Twitter, I think.
And so anybody that's upset at anything I say, I'm an actor, and Ben is really the problem.
unidentified
Mmm.
tim dillon
So that's why the guy hated him.
But yeah, I don't get invited to real parties out there.
But out there is just about, you have the beach and you have like green farms and trees and you just chill.
Just chill.
joe rogan
Do you ever see Howard Stern?
tim dillon
No.
No.
joe rogan
Does he go out of his house?
tim dillon
He has a massive, he doesn't go out of his home.
He's got a massive estate where he just chills.
Most people there, I go out and we drive around and stuff and see stuff, but a lot of those people don't leave their home.
So for the entire summer, they pretty much, maybe they go to one or two restaurants, they stay in their home, and then they have like a private beach that is like behind their house.
Yeah, you have Seinfeld out there, Stern, Alec Baldwin, my friend, who's there to relax.
And by the way, congrats to Alec Baldwin.
That just got ruled an accident.
joe rogan
It did?
tim dillon
It did.
joe rogan
When?
tim dillon
Recently.
joe rogan
I thought they said that he had to have pulled the trigger.
tim dillon
He did.
Accidentally.
joe rogan
But he lied and he said he didn't pull the trigger.
tim dillon
People get nervous.
joe rogan
Taron Butler from Taron Tactical.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does this say here?
Medical investigator rules Baldwin set shooting an accident.
Well, of course, he's not trying to kill that lady in front of everybody.
I understand why they're saying, but that doesn't mean he wasn't negligible.
Just because it was an accident.
tim dillon
What did the guy from Taron Tactical say?
joe rogan
It's impossible for that gun to shoot.
He showed me the gun.
I have a video of it.
I was like, I don't want to start trouble and release this.
But in the video, he has the gun.
Not the actual gun, but the same model gun.
And he's showing how the action on this works.
And he's like, it's not possible for the hammer to go forward and just accidentally fire.
And he cocks it back and shows how it works.
He's like, you have to engage the trigger.
And he's showing everybody in this video how it works.
tim dillon
Alec probably had the gun in his hand, and it's just kind of fun to pull the trigger.
Right?
And if you have a gun, you go like, I wonder what this would feel like.
I wonder what this would feel like.
And then...
joe rogan
Isn't it fucking wild that Hollywood, in general, is very anti-gun?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
But they promote guns more than any other media on the planet.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
All their best movies, whether it's The Grey Man, or whether you're watching The Terminal List, or Mission Impossible, it's all guns save the day.
Guns kill aliens, guns kill werewolves, guns kill everyone.
Everyone bad gets killed by guns.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
But guns are bad and you shouldn't have guns.
It's crazy.
tim dillon
Well, these are also the same people that live in these 20,000 square foot homes and fly private jets, but talk endlessly about climate change.
The same people.
So it's like, to really...
And I get it.
I get it.
Because if they start paying you the kind of money they make to play pretend, They start paying you that kind of money to play dress up.
80 million a year, 40 million a year.
You start to go crazy.
And when you develop this cognitive dissonance where you see yourself as something completely different than what other people see and your behavior as something that's completely different.
So they don't view that as hypocrisy.
They view it as like, yeah, guns are bad, but we can make them good.
You see how crazy that sounds?
joe rogan
So crazy.
tim dillon
But that's literally the way they think.
Guns are not good, but in our hands, they're great because we can craft a narrative that makes them justified to have.
And that woman that lives in her house who protected herself against an intruder, nah, that's not Mission Impossible.
So that's how crazy they are.
joe rogan
And it doesn't seem odd if you think about what they do.
They make fake things.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
So, of course, they're fake.
Everything they do is pretend.
tim dillon
And they're all fake people.
You know, we've talked about this before on this show.
I mean, actors and actresses, for the most part, have never met themselves.
They don't know who they are.
If they did, they'd probably not be that good at their job, which is, like, every dumb role that I get that I audition for, I've booked none, by the way, because I'm still just me.
Trying to be a thing, but I can't...
I'm not good at...
that good at being...
I'm not horrible, but I'm not...
joe rogan
You're not crazy enough to pretend to be someone else to be convincing.
tim dillon
Yeah, if you put me in a thing, it's like, oh, Tim Dillon is the thing.
Even if I pretend to be Meghan McCain, people go, that's Tim Dillon.
Like, it's not...
None of my imitations are the person.
Rachel Levine.
Rachel Levine, whoever it is.
Some people went, that's Rachel.
But...
It's one of those things where the actors I know that I'm friends with are usually good-looking, but they're not distinct-looking, and they can fit easily into any of these characters.
And they don't really know who they are.
So if somebody tells them, like, six-year-olds should get gender reassignment surgery, they go, okay.
unidentified
Okay.
tim dillon
And if they go, no one should have a gun, they go, okay.
Like, there's no...
They don't have opinions.
joe rogan
Well, it's also that system is set up so that you're always trying to get chosen for things.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
So you're always saying the things that you think people want to hear, and you're always espousing the correct political philosophies and positions on things.
Because your whole gig is trying to get people to choose you for something.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
So you can't do anything controversial or...
You can't escape those lines.
tim dillon
And we need actors.
Here's the thing.
You need movies.
You need actors.
And you need them to be dumb.
You need them to be good looking and dumb.
And you need them to just do what they're told.
Because you can't have an actor on set going, well, I actually think it would be a nightmare.
And every suggestion that most actors have is bad because they're stupid.
So you need them to be exactly kind of what they are.
It would just be nice if we could just turn down the volume on the politics and everything else and just kind of let them do what they're good for, which is to pretend to be other people.
So you need that.
You don't want to see me.
You don't want to have the gray man with me.
You want Ethan Hawke.
You don't want, what's the thing on Stranger Things?
I can't play all of the kids on Stranger Things.
It would be odd.
People wouldn't like it.
You can't do like a young adult Twilight with me in it.
So they need to exist, but they just can't talk about, you know, espionage or whatever they're talking about.
Unless it's about their movie.
Yeah, I don't need, you know...
joe rogan
Don't you think that more people are aware of that now than ever?
And one of the things that's like the Johnny Depp trial or Alex Baldwin getting in trouble, we're realizing more and more that these people are insane.
tim dillon
Well, they're crazy, but it's also what happens, I think, When, you know, everything is at your fingertips.
You've removed most of the struggles that normal people go through.
And you are just...
You're incredibly lucky and privileged and you inhabit this rarefied air that very few people do.
And you have, like, kind of the time...
And you have the ability to go as crazy as you can.
And that most people maybe don't have the time.
I have friends where I'm like, thank God you have work.
Thank God you have a job.
Thank God you have a family.
And thank God you don't have a lot of money.
Because you don't need to have the freedom to be the full version of yourself.
That can be a little bit of a problem.
joe rogan
Is this an intervention?
tim dillon
No, no, no.
I think you're kind of poor, to be honest.
I've spent time in the Hamptons.
No one thinks you have a lot of money there.
They think you have, like, cute money.
It's like podcast money.
It's like cute.
But these people own third world countries.
So, no, I'm here to help you.
I think you're struggling.
I think you're, you know, I mean, it's, you know.
joe rogan
But it is a hypocrisy talking about that.
tim dillon
Yes, you are now the wealthiest comedian really other than Seinfeld that's ever lived.
That's pretty much the truth.
joe rogan
I think Kevin Hart has more money than me.
tim dillon
That might be true.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he does.
tim dillon
But he won't.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
What?
tim dillon
You leave the planet a billionaire.
I think so.
I think so.
If you would listen to me.
joe rogan
What do I have to do?
tim dillon
Well, if you get into the weed game, you're a billionaire in a week.
joe rogan
I'm getting into the weed game then.
tim dillon
I'm telling you, like, you just, with a few good decisions, with a few good decisions, you're, I mean, you gotta be.
You're gonna get a billion.
And Kevin could too, but you're up there.
And it's wild to see, you know?
And you deserve it, but, you know, I'm horribly jealous.
And every minute I say, it should be me.
It could be you.
I tell Ben, I go, it should be me.
joe rogan
Well, you're already on a fucking pretty...
tim dillon
Oh, Patreon?
That's nothing.
That's embarrassing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're on the way up.
tim dillon
Well, that's very nice of you to say.
joe rogan
This is just the beginning.
I mean, if you go back to my podcast 10 years ago, I wasn't making any money.
tim dillon
Well, what's weird right now is that, like...
It is weird.
We're just talking about, like, society is weird in the sense that there is a lot of money and then there's a lot of problems.
And we're learning that money doesn't fix all the problems.
This is something interesting.
You can throw money at things and it's not fixed, right?
joe rogan
Sometimes it creates problems.
tim dillon
Sometimes it creates problems.
And then you're at a very interesting place where you go, well, California's got a $21 billion surplus.
And you go, you should be able to just fix it.
Homelessness, whatever.
21 billion dollars.
More than you thought you would have.
But you realize that human beings gum that system up.
A lot.
And you go, oh, it's not as easy as we think to just fix something with money.
joe rogan
How does California ever get fixed?
Because when we were just talking about it in the lobby.
tim dillon
It has the most stunning natural beauty of any state.
It has...
So many things that are positive, but then there are so many problems, and those problems seem insurmountable.
joe rogan
Now.
tim dillon
Now.
joe rogan
But they didn't three, four years ago.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy.
I remember in 2018, it seemed like LA was a great place to be.
Just a lot of traffic, but...
Pretty fucking fun.
tim dillon
That's right.
In New York, there in the early 90s, a rockette was stabbed in the back in Central Park, one of the people who does the Radio City Christmas show.
And it was on the cover of the New York Post and the Times, all these places.
And it was this watershed moment where people in New York City were like, fuck.
We have a problem.
This is a...
It was a horrifying image, very visceral image of the criminal element that was running the city.
People were getting stabbed and shot and murdered, junkies everywhere.
And then people...
And that was what led to Giuliani.
And then Giuliani really did clean up New York.
You know, he's lost his mind a little bit now, but he absolutely cleaned up New York.
And he stopped people from loitering and doing all these things.
People do not want to hear that.
It wasn't only Giuliani.
Other things happened.
Disney kind of came in to Times Square.
There was a lot of corporate pressure as well to make things safe.
But you don't have a figure like that in California.
Rick Caruso potentially.
I mean, he's running.
But the problem is you have an L.A. City Council where they're crazy and they can kind of stop what the mayor from doing.
And, you know, you need to outlaw camping.
You need to outlaw it.
You need to figure out another way.
You cannot if people live on the street.
You have to figure out a way to house these people.
And it's very difficult.
The problem with California is New York is smaller and people's decisions affect other people's lives more.
And California, Pasadena has nothing to do with Manhattan Beach, which has nothing to do with Thousand Oaks, which has nothing to do with West Hollywood.
So everybody's kind of in their own little spot.
And if they're not immediately affected by it, they just go, huh?
So New York, you do have that idea of this is an organism.
It's a city.
We're all on the subway.
We're all affected.
So people, I think, are more likely to invest themselves in having certain outcomes in New York.
joe rogan
Don't you think it's a different time, too?
Because in the 90s, when you go back to the 90s, when Giuliani took over in New York, there was no social media.
So there wasn't these rigid ideologies that people have carved into their skin.
tim dillon
Yes.
I think there was no social media.
And I think people, you know, we're not as coarsened as they are now with the idea that people become very cynical now, which I get.
I'm one of them.
And they tend to look at all political solutions as inherently fallible, that they won't work because politicians have proven again and again to fail all the time.
And you just end up being very cynical about it.
And even, you know, guys that have good ideas and say the right things, you go, yeah, but you're a politician.
But your nature as a human being is to tell me something I would like to hear.
And then we see the big...
Even Trump, you know, who came in and said, I want to do this, that, and the other thing.
There are all of these forces that keep Trump from doing these things, whether you agree with them or not.
You can't just wave a wand and make things happen.
There's this corrupt system that has gone on forever and...
The answer to that is, who knows?
You don't want to put a dictator in.
You don't want a guy with absolute power.
But you also look at the system we have now as this weird...
You know, closed doors, behind the scenes, where everybody's out for themself.
And you go, how do you get anything done?
How does anything get done?
When we have congresspeople engaging in insider trading or out there- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's doing that?
tim dillon
Pelosi.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
Nancy Pelosi and her husband.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
tim dillon
I would guess.
If I had to guess, I would say they are taking information and weaponizing it and using it to enrich themselves.
joe rogan
How is that not illegal?
Can you turn the AC up?
It's a little warm in here, Jamie.
Crank it up a little bit.
I just don't understand how that's not illegal.
I just really can't imagine.
Did you see when they asked Nancy Pelosi about it?
And she's like, no, not at all.
Push the microphone down.
Okay, bye.
tim dillon
Part of the reason why somebody like her might want to stay in office forever is because if she gets out, they might start looking into stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, then they come for her.
tim dillon
Right?
So maybe you go, why is this old?
Because she's an old dinosaur.
joe rogan
She's a pterodactyl.
tim dillon
And you go, why is she in there?
And you go, well, part of her being in there might be a way to insulate herself from people looking into things and going, what the fuck's going on?
joe rogan
Yeah, the husband just dumped five million into Nvidia right before they decided to do something with chips.
They started to do something with semiconductor chips in the United States.
Right.
So right before they passed this, he goes and spends five million on Nvidia stock.
tim dillon
And those are the Democrats.
Those are supposed to be the people that are for the working class.
Which is funny.
joe rogan
And they're so old.
jamie vernon
He sold it right before, too, which is a very strange thing that happened.
I don't understand that part.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
He sold it when it was down and then bought more?
jamie vernon
He bought it, and then it seems like a week or two after everyone started making a note of it, they sold it.
And they said he sold it at a loss.
joe rogan
Oh, he probably had to cover his ass.
jamie vernon
See, right here, it says he sold it at a loss.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He sold it to avoid any misinformation.
Click on that.
unidentified
That was an awkward dinner.
tim dillon
Yeah, she's like, get it out.
Dump it.
Can you imagine her just going, dump it.
unidentified
Dump it.
tim dillon
What did you do, Paul?
Dump it.
unidentified
I told you to do it under another name.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
That's amazing that he would blow five million at a loss.
Wow.
Wow, he sold millions worth of stocks in chipmaker NVIDIA at a loss the day before the Senate passed a multi-billion dollar bill aimed in part at boosting US chip manufacturing that sent NVIDIA shares surging, a decision Pelosi's office said was to avoid further misinformation about the couple's investments.
Oh my god, that is amazing.
What kind of fucking misinformation would it be when we actually have the information?
That's what's wild.
tim dillon
It's not misinformation.
joe rogan
They just call things misinformation.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's information.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's actual, real information.
tim dillon
So this is the problem, you know?
It's like, how do you, when a country has reached this point where these are the actors, and they're bad actors, and we know that, and this is only what we know about, you know?
The next inevitable step, which again, I don't think is good, is a dictatorship.
It's somebody who comes in and executes all these people and goes, I'm now the...
Which is not good, but that does seem to be the next inevitable step.
joe rogan
They're going to do that through a method where it doesn't look like a dictatorship.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Like a social credit score system that's attached to a centralized digital currency.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
You see Maxine Waters the other day talking about a digital currency.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
They want to compete with China.
tim dillon
They can delete you.
They want to delete...
They've always wanted...
To delete you.
Like I used to, you know, a couple weeks ago I was getting 100,000 views on an Instagram story.
Now I'm getting 30. I don't know what happened, but they just shut something off.
They could just shut things off.
You notice these weird things that they do and you notice it on YouTube.
So they want to be, and eventually they want to fuck with your money.
They want to fuck with your money because that's the heart and soul of what they can do.
So that centralized currency or whatever it is, they will just enforce compliance by the terrifying reality that they can take it all from you.
Immediately.
joe rogan
And there's got to be some...
Well, we know there's coordination between Twitter and the White House.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Is that Alex Berenson case?
Do you know what's going on with that?
tim dillon
I know Alex Berenson.
He was deleted from Twitter, right?
joe rogan
And he got back on.
He won in court.
tim dillon
Oh, interesting.
joe rogan
He's back on Twitter.
Not only that, but now he wants to sue the White House because he has documents that show that the White House directly contacted Twitter.
About the things that he was proven to be correct about, which is why he was let back on Twitter.
They were saying, what are you doing about Alex Berenson?
The White House directly contacted Twitter asking what they're doing about Alex Berenson.
tim dillon
I remember with you, they said something about you, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that the government needs to do more.
tim dillon
The government needs to do more.
unidentified
Jen Psaki.
tim dillon
Jen Psaki.
The government should do more.
joe rogan
Or that Spotify should do more.
tim dillon
So they believe that these are their shock troops that can take people off that they don't like.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And then the people on the far left, I think, are also waking up because they are starting to realize that journalists like Chris Hedges, who was a war correspondent, who's a socialist writer and a brilliant writer, a lot of his stuff was taken off because it happened to be on RT. They took all Chris Hedges' show On Contact.
They had all of these hours and hours of him conducting interviews with people.
Abby Martin.
joe rogan
Her entire library was removed.
Entire library.
tim dillon
Because it's on RT. So I think people even, you know, it's not necessarily ideology.
It's if, are you a critic of the current regime?
Are you a critic of the current, the way that the empire is manifesting itself, however it is, are you a critic of that?
And if you are, how do we deal with you?
How do we deal with you?
And we'll take the social media and then eventually We'll take the money.
I mean, that's probably what ends up happening.
unidentified
What do you think they're gonna do to you?
tim dillon
I don't know.
If I stay where I am right now, if I don't get to your level, which is gonna be...
I don't think I will get to your level.
If I stay where I am right now, probably nothing.
If I get bigger, I don't know.
They might shut me off, or they might try to like...
You know, they demonetize a lot of our stuff.
Thank God for awesome companies like Patreon.
joe rogan
You know, Substack is doing that now.
Substack has got podcasts now.
tim dillon
I know.
They had a meeting with me.
They have no money.
joe rogan
Really?
tim dillon
Yeah, they have no money.
I'm not moving from Patreon to Substack for no money.
Why would I do that?
It's insane.
They had a meeting with me and they're like, yeah, we want you to come over because you like it.
I'm like, are you on crack?
I know you had one of them here, and they're nice enough people.
Great guy.
Yeah, great.
joe rogan
Great ethics.
tim dillon
Good.
What if Spotify came to you, and instead of $100 million, they said, don't you like it?
Don't you want to come over because you like it?
It's like, no.
Get the fucking checkbook out, you cheap fucks.
What are we talking about?
We're wasting our goddamn time.
And yeah, I like Substack, and good for them.
But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, we're all, every day I go, I try to make good moves with money because I go, you know, we're all living at the whims of an algorithm we don't understand.
And we have no idea who the fuck these people are.
Good for Netflix.
I just put a special out on Netflix.
joe rogan
Your new material is fucking fantastic.
tim dillon
Well, thank you.
Netflix is called The Jews Started AIDS. Is that real?
Yeah, it's the special.
It's called The Jews Started AIDS. But is that a true fact?
It is.
And Netflix has not given me any notes on it.
They actually said thank you for doing this.
No.
Ted Sarandos called me personally and was like, thanks.
No, it's a joke.
But the new special I put out, we say retard and dyke and faggot.
We do jokes about the vaccine.
And they didn't give us any notes and they just said, oh, you're a big idiot and you're a comedian and you can say whatever you want.
So that's good.
That's a nice thing.
And no one really online got too mad about it.
One guy wrote, because I made fun of fast food workers, he's like, they don't own the companies.
And I'm like, thanks.
Thanks, guy.
But, you know, but nobody was that mad.
I think everyone's...
We're getting to the point now where things are...
People just trying to have fun again.
joe rogan
We were just having that conversation with Louis.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Where it's like he could see...
He's saying the green grass is coming through the snow.
tim dillon
Yes.
All the cool kids now are unwoke.
Some of them are going back to Christianity because it's the only way to be rebellious.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Because, you know, everybody's blue-haired, non-binary, talking about piss orgies, and that's like, it's the cover of Newsweek, so you have to be like a Catholic, Opus Dei, you know, like, saying the rosary to be a fucking problem now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Like, you used to be able to just dye your hair and get a tattoo and a nose ring.
Now that's like, oh, what are you running for Congress?
So now the other side of it is a lot of people are kind of going, which is there's elements of that that are good, and there's elements of that that are not great, probably.
But, you know, that's what young kids are doing now, because they're like, fuck this shit.
They're like, we...
They've realized how empty...
This current world is that we've created, spiritually, for people.
Because it is empty.
joe rogan
It is empty.
tim dillon
It's just very empty.
It's about money and profit and everything has no history or tradition.
Everything's so disorienting.
Things happen so quickly that the pace of change is like making people go, what the fuck?
And people need to situate themselves in the universe and they don't know how to do it.
And they're going, dude, this rock is spinning and I don't know what's going on.
Every day there's a new edict about what you can say, what's real and what's not, and people are going back to things that root them, and one of them is religion.
I think religion has a lot of positives.
I mean, there's some negatives, but I think religion has positives, for sure.
joe rogan
It's definitely a good moral scaffolding for a lot of people.
tim dillon
You need something to ground you, make you humble, make you realize that you are living for a finite amount of time on earth.
You should treat people with respect.
A code is good to have a moral code.
I'm not saying what yours should be or not, but just the constant stuffing money down your throat, having tons of meaningless sex, constantly obsessing over material things, these are probably...
Ultimately, spiritually empty things.
joe rogan
Definitely.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I'm starting a church, by the way.
joe rogan
That's the only way to get out of this.
We need a new church.
tim dillon
We need a new church, and me and Caitlyn Jenner are starting a church.
It's for progressive rich people that are also racist.
It's important to have a religion that recognizes, as a gay person, who doesn't really...
You know, gays are fine, and Caitlyn doesn't really like trans people.
So we are the figureheads of the church, and we are ministering mainly to rich heterosexuals.
joe rogan
Do you get heat from the gay population?
Do gay people get upset at you?
tim dillon
No, they don't really care that much.
I mean, they would if they knew more about me.
But everyone's in their own world now.
So if you're in my little podcast world, you're in that.
If you watch SNL, it's a different world.
We're on a different planet.
If you watch SNL every week...
Like, like, put it on and go, eh!
Like, if you're, then we're on a date, you don't know, you don't know who I am.
And you would hate me if you knew about me, but you don't even know who I am.
So everybody's kind of doing their own thing.
And if you listen to me every week, or if you watch me and Christine and Tom on the live stream, watch people like crush penises with stilettos or whatever those sick fucks are watching.
I mean, then yeah, it's just different worlds.
joe rogan
What they're doing over there at your mom's house is fucking wild.
tim dillon
It's wild.
joe rogan
It's wild.
No one's ever done it before to have a pay-per-view completely uncensored.
I mean, it's like the worst of LiveLeak, the worst of- It feels very old-school internet.
Yeah.
tim dillon
People really pull up videos.
It's cringe.
It's crazy.
It's fun.
But they're also brilliantly really funny.
And really good podcasters.
Every other thing that probably tried to do something like this or back in the day, you didn't have funny people that were like, they're able to actually put it in the context of a show, and it's great.
joe rogan
But no one's ever done it like that.
I mean, we had websites before, like, do you remember the Style Project?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
The Style Project was fucking awesome.
That was the place where you'd go to see the most...
tim dillon
Fucked up shit.
joe rogan
...disturbing, fucked up parts of the world.
tim dillon
Of the world.
joe rogan
And you'd find them on the internet, and it opened people's eyes to it.
But now, to have a show like that, with comedians and guests...
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I almost threw up three or four times when I... Your stomach...
tim dillon
You know, you try to...
The first couple of videos you watch, you try to go like, I'm gonna be tough.
And then like you get to a point where it's like your body has these reactions independent of your mind Yeah, like your stomach starts you start to feel something you go oh In my stomach.
Like, they played a video last night of a woman's stiletto heel, like, crushing a guy's penis through a hole in the floor.
And it was really tough.
There's still a week and a half to watch it, yeah.
joe rogan
I just don't understand why they enjoyed that so much.
They enjoyed it so much.
The glee in Tom and Christina's faces when people watch it.
tim dillon
Yeah, well, they're sick!
But you can't watch stuff like that and not be a little sick, but they're comics.
They have problems.
But it's a great show.
It's a fun show.
joe rogan
No, it's great.
I'm glad they're out here, too.
They have an incredible studio, isn't it?
Amazing.
tim dillon
When do they ban abortion here, do you know?
joe rogan
I think it's already six weeks, which is basically a ban.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, six weeks is a ban, because if you miss your period and it's only two weeks later than that, and now you can't get an abortion, it's basically banned.
tim dillon
Interesting.
So it's six weeks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know, all of these issues, the UK seems to have a decent...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
The UK, they don't do the late term.
There's like three months.
Traveling outside of America is just a lot of things we could learn from other countries where we don't have to be insane all the time about everything.
Everything doesn't have to be this incredibly polarizing issue.
There can be things where it goes, yeah, I think Germany and England, they have a law where it's like, yeah, within a certain amount of time, you can have an abortion.
After that, Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't.
That's the reasonable perspective.
tim dillon
Yeah.
There's got to be a little bit of a, but there's no value in compromise.
joe rogan
The reasonable perspective is always cases of rape, cases of incest, children, all those things.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
And then time.
How much time?
At what point in time is that a viable human being?
tim dillon
100%.
joe rogan
Because they're getting into these six-month time periods.
tim dillon
No, that's crazy.
joe rogan
You know, we talked about this thing on the podcast the other day where there was an article that was talking about how people got arrested for an abortion because of Facebook messages.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
But then we looked into it.
tim dillon
It was fake.
joe rogan
It's way worse than that.
tim dillon
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
It was a young girl, and her mother got her the abortion pill online.
She took the pill, had a stillborn baby, and then they buried it.
And apparently...
There was thermal damage to the baby which indicates they tried to burn it and then they apparently did they rebury it?
Is that what happened?
tim dillon
And what state was this?
joe rogan
I'm not sure what state, but when people wrote the article, the article was, people are getting arrested for an abortion because of Facebook messages.
You know, like, oh my god, this is Big Brother.
But then you look at the actual story, and it's way more horrific.
It's like, you know, I mean, it was six months into the pregnancy, she takes these pills, it's stillborn, has the abortion, then buries the baby, and apparently burned it.
Which is, yeah, that's not good.
tim dillon
It's not good.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is not, I mean, you're clearly, you feel like you did something wrong, and you're trying to cover it up.
tim dillon
It's, yeah, well, these are the issues that there's, you know, that's not good.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
There has to be some type of, you know, standard.
joe rogan
At a certain point, it's like, when are you allowed to take that pill?
Are you allowed to take the abortion pill four weeks in?
tim dillon
Well, six months, that's a fully functioning, that's a baby that could be born and have a life outside of the womb.
joe rogan
And they do all the time.
tim dillon
Yeah, so that to me seems crazy, and I feel like...
To most people that seems crazy.
I don't think anybody, this is the thing, it's like the vast majority of people that aren't on Twitter and that aren't participating, that are not making money off being inflammatory or whatever, they have, like if you go to people and you go, hey, should somebody have an abortion at six months?
They go, no.
They go no.
If you go to them and go, hey, should somebody who's six years old be able to permanently alter their gender?
They go, no.
This is the vast majority.
The issue we have is that none of those people have any representation.
In the government.
And really, they're losing it in the media, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The only media that supports that sort of reasonable perspective is right-wing media, and they go all the way to the point of conception.
tim dillon
And they go all the way to the right, where they go, no abortions, ban gay marriage, this, that, and the other thing, no contraception.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
And so reasonable people that are in the middle, which Kansas just voted to keep abortion.
And Kansas is not a blue state.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
But Kansas, you know, there's a lot of people.
The reality is that it's not very sexy and you don't make a lot of money with a reasonable compromise.
Nobody wants to hear that.
Nobody gets rich online talking about that.
You get rich going, I'm right, everyone else is wrong.
All of my opponents and enemies should be destroyed and I should be the king.
People go, yay, money, money.
joe rogan
And most people don't know the actual laws.
That's right.
There was someone, some actress, went to France, and she was talking about how great it is to have croissants and women's rights.
But they don't realize that even in France, they have a limit on late-term abortions.
tim dillon
Of course!
joe rogan
I think it's 24 weeks in France.
tim dillon
This is what I mean.
There are...
Actual societies that have made peace with these issues.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
They don't continue to plague them, but it does require a degree of rational, you know, compromise where, you know, America's an amazing place when you leave it for a little bit and you realize how dysfunctional it is, how big it is, how large, how amazingly massive and vast it is, and how hard it is to get anyone on the same page about anything.
Because people in Louisiana, we're just talking about LA. There's people in, you know, the Hollywood Hills and people in fucking downtown LA have nothing to do with each other.
Well now imagine people in the backwoods of like Louisiana and the forest of Portland, Oregon.
I mean, this is such a massive country.
So many people to get on the same page about anything.
So you're gonna have these states that are gonna have fights and then they're gonna make laws and there's certain people move here and certain people move there, but it It's such a boring way to live, to me, to be constantly Uprooting yourself because of political reasons, you know?
To me, it's just you become this person that you don't even know who you are anymore.
You're like, well, I'm a reaction to that, you know?
And I understand why people do it.
If I had kids, I don't want them living in a fucking hellscape of LA or whatever.
You know what I mean?
I get it.
Some people need to live somewhere where they have a safety for their family.
But it just feels like the lack of uniform standards in this country hurt it a little bit.
The idea that everybody is so all over the place hurts it a little bit.
There should be certain things we're able to come together on.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then do you think that it's a good thing to have states' rights where you have different laws?
I mean, the great thing about that is places that have, like, legalized marijuana.
tim dillon
Sure.
joe rogan
You know, there's places that have things that are outside the norm.
tim dillon
Yeah, I think states' rights are good.
And I don't think everybody...
I don't necessarily say it's a one-size-fits-all, but if you look at how profoundly dysfunctional The country is and how it just seems like infighting and everybody's at war all the time about all these things.
I feel like some of these fights are things that For the strength of our overall union should be decided, and that should be it.
Like, you know, I mean, if we're going to be a strong country that has a unified front in the face of other countries, I think we have to figure certain things out.
I don't think you can have 50 places doing everything completely differently.
That seems longer, because then why be a country?
And I'm not saying you shouldn't have different regional things, but what is...
I'm trying to find the reason we're a country right now.
You know what I mean?
Other than like the economic and the military and the fact that it's been a scam for 50 years of cheap credit and an economy based on war and blah, blah, blah.
But what would keep us a country going forward if we're all just going to spiral off into our own directions?
joe rogan
Patriotism.
tim dillon
Yeah.
You know, sports, Monday Night Football.
Like, what will keep us...
If Texas is their own thing, and California...
I mean, these states are big enough to be their own countries.
For sure, if it was Europe.
Yeah, so why would it be America in 30 years?
And it might not be.
It's just interesting.
joe rogan
Well, the fear is that to compete with other countries that are united, like China, we have to become closer to them.
And that's what Maxine Waters was saying.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
I mean, that's the thinly veiled...
tim dillon
And I've had the journalist Whitney Webb on my show, who has a book out, and she said that a lot of our AI and stuff, a lot of our tech people go, listen, in order to compete with Chinese technology, which is a lot of it's surveillance technology, things like that, we have to have it first.
Ours has to be better, and we have to have technological hegemony, and we have to sell it to the world before they sell it to the world, and so we have to become a little bit of a police state, too.
joe rogan
I think it woke a lot of people's eyes up when the pandemic hit, when we couldn't get things shipped over here, how much they make overseas, how much we need.
tim dillon
90% of antibiotics are made in China, something crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, all of our electronics, there is something highly ironic about tweeting about woke politics on a phone that's made by slaves.
tim dillon
Of course.
joe rogan
Of course.
It's really like the height of it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's the number one distribution method, is through phones.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or any kind of electronics.
It's really the only distribution method for that information.
tim dillon
It seems tough to beat China, and I don't know that it'll happen.
It does seem like they're a tough...
It's going to be tough.
joe rogan
Well, they're connected.
The government and the military is inexorably connected to business.
You cannot operate without the consent and the approval of the Chinese government.
tim dillon
It's a tough country to beat.
I, of course, believe in China.
I believe in one China.
I don't recognize Taiwan.
I never have since a boy.
I'm a young boy.
joe rogan
Do you speak Mandarin?
tim dillon
I speak fluent Mandarin.
Ever since I was a young child on Long Island, my parents said, we do not recognize Taiwan in this house.
joe rogan
You call it Chinese Taipei?
tim dillon
Yeah.
They go, we believe in one China.
And they explained it to me and we had a thing on the wall.
So that's where I'm at.
But Biden, you, and the rest of the cucks can go over there to Taiwan and do whatever the fuck you want.
But no, here's the other thing.
I read a little bit about that.
I'm like, yeah, of course China thinks Taiwan's part of them.
I'm not trying to start problems, but it's like, I'm not fighting these wars.
I'm not going to Ukraine, and I'm not going to Taiwan.
So figure it out.
We've got a million fucking nuclear weapons, and we're surrounded by oceans.
We should be fine.
Enough already.
Truly.
joe rogan
But not.
tim dillon
It's my stance.
joe rogan
Because they have supersonic weapons now.
tim dillon
Yeah, but so do we.
We have everything they have.
joe rogan
Do we?
tim dillon
Of course we do.
joe rogan
Do we 100% have supersonic weapons?
tim dillon
We absolutely have everything they have.
Why wouldn't we?
What, are we not as evil?
Are we not as smart?
Have we not been breeding sociopaths forever?
We invented it.
We blew everyone out.
They've never even used...
We're like, they have supersonic weapons.
We're the only ones who've used the fucking weapons.
We're the only ones who've really used nukes.
So I'm pretty sure that whatever some monster thought of, we also have.
We've also got a lot of shit.
joe rogan
What do we have?
Does the US have supersonic weapons?
tim dillon
Well, we won't even know.
We don't know what we have.
joe rogan
I think they said they're testing them, right?
Haven't they said that?
jamie vernon
Yes, but we also wouldn't know what the fuck we have.
tim dillon
We don't know what we have?
joe rogan
That's the problem.
tim dillon
Who knows what we have?
But we got to get on the same page here.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
tim dillon
Like, we need to just fucking cut the bullshit.
Stop.
unidentified
Just have fucking rules.
tim dillon
Stop with it.
You can be trans when you're 17. 17?
17, but not fully.
You have to do a summer of, like, fake trans, and then 18, as soon as we'll, if we can draft you into war, you can go chop yourself.
But you're going to war.
You know what I mean?
Trans people get free operations, but they do two years in the military.
Boom.
Done.
Done.
It's over.
Roe v.
Wade, you have to have your children, but you have to give the...
Babies, we have to have them.
They go right into like some...
We conscript them into some thing.
They go, mind Bitcoin or whatever.
You have to have your baby.
We take it, though.
Property of the state.
Fine.
Be more responsible.
There's ways to do it.
We can solve all these problems.
Here's the thing with the cops.
You can't defund them.
They have to be there, but you should be able to slap them occasionally.
Citizens should be able to slap the police, and the police can't do anything back.
So there's got to be ways and rules to fix it.
Because otherwise we're just going to have all these problems forever, you know?
joe rogan
But what kind of, like in all seriousness, what kind of rules could be established that would unite people?
Is it a rule thing or is it a leader thing?
Like if we had a leader that united people?
tim dillon
You need a leader.
You need somebody who can say, listen.
Everybody, because everybody is both things inside of them, whether they know it or not.
Everybody is a psychopathic Texas gun nut, and everybody is a fat, blue-haired dyke in Portland.
We all have those two things in us.
We all have a crazy, meat-in-the-woods, proud boy, and an Antifa fat bitch in us.
And we have to...
Make sure that the fusion of those two things is what makes us great, you know?
We all have those two things.
All of us get mad at corporations and want to burn them down, but we don't go into the Portland Center and throw eggs at a Starbucks because we're sane.
And then all of us get mad when, like, I don't know, like somebody, whatever, like at a fast food place, someone of a different race doesn't get our order right.
We all get mad, but we don't go into the woods with a burning cross because we have things to do.
So...
What we have to realize is that we're Americans.
We're deeply selfish monsters that have been bred to destroy all life on Earth.
We have to not lose sight of that message.
We're here to fuck things up for everyone else, not each other.
And that's what we had in the 80s and the 90s.
We had a commitment to apathy while our leaders ran around pillaging the earth.
And we made great movies and great art, and it was fine.
Yes, people got killed, but people always get killed.
But now we're at war with each other.
We should just be enjoying the spoils of the end of the empire.
Truly.
You should be enjoying it.
So many people got killed, murdered, tortured, maimed for us to have all the nice things we have.
Do you know how insane it is to not enjoy it?
Do you know how crazy it is to not enjoy a McMansion, a flat screen TV, a McFlurry?
Do you know how much blood is in the street for those things?
And people act like they don't even matter.
And they're fighting about all this bullshit?
It's crazy.
Anyway, that's the truth.
That's the real truth.
Nobody wants to hear it, but that is the truth.
A lot of these things are nice, but some of them are ill-gotten gains.
Fine.
Not everybody picking tomatoes is happy about it, but have you ever had a nice Jersey, thick beefsteak tomato?
It's good.
Imagine having one and then fighting with someone about something.
It's stupid.
If there's a hell world going.
And if there's not, we get reincarnated when we're Beatles or something.
But just enjoy it.
And nobody wants to enjoy it.
And that's what makes me upset.
Is that we used to have a country built on enjoyment.
Built on fat, stupid people enjoying the work of a small group of demons.
And now we can't even enjoy it.
Can't even have fun.
joe rogan
You know what I think unites us?
tim dillon
Yeah.
Aliens.
That's interesting.
See, this is your thing, and no one cares about aliens, but they should.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Some people do.
joe rogan
I think that's what unites us.
I think if they come, then we get- Oh, you're right.
tim dillon
You're certainly right about that.
joe rogan
Then we get united.
And then we realize, like, oh my God.
We're thinking we're in control.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And we are just the shit-throwing monkeys of the universe.
tim dillon
That's right.
And if aliens come down here and fuck us all up- And put us in line.
It could be the best thing in the world for us.
joe rogan
I think they come down and shut down all the nukes.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
I think that's it.
I think they're like watching two brothers fight in the yard.
Like, they just let them sort it out.
Don't let them stab each other.
Let them sort it out.
And then when it gets too much, they're like, okay, break it up.
Alright, we need some rules here.
tim dillon
We do need someone to come in here and Just shut us down a little bit.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Ronald Reagan said that?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
He said that in a speech to the United Nations.
tim dillon
He said, well, unite in the face of an existential...
joe rogan
Yeah, and then all the alien people went nuts, like, oh my God, he knows something.
tim dillon
But, you know, all these years and all these disclosures, and we still don't know shit, Right?
joe rogan
Why would we?
tim dillon
I know, it's amazing.
Like, all these alien disclosures, all this shit, and no one knows anything.
joe rogan
Well, do you think ants in one of those leaf-cutter ant colonies have a detailed understanding of the way nuclear power works?
tim dillon
Yeah, that's a good idea.
That's true.
That's fair.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's really what it's like.
We like to think that we're super advanced, but we are, but only compared to other things on Earth.
tim dillon
That's right, because those aliens have probably bred out all the things that bother us, like personalities and sex and gender and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, hormones, emotions.
tim dillon
So maybe this is like, we're just in this sloppy stage of truly becoming those higher level people, beings.
joe rogan
I think that's what's happening.
I think that's part of what our obsession with gender and gender neutral and genderless is going on.
We're going to be genderless.
All it's going to take is something that they can do technologically that replaces all the things you get from biological love and fear and emotions.
tim dillon
But isn't it good to know that we lived in the best times of America?
We had the wildest, but we also lived in the best times.
In 50 years, it's not going to be as good.
joe rogan
What year were you born?
1985. So you were born before the internet.
tim dillon
Good run.
I remember what it was like.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you remember what it was like pre-internet.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
I remember what it was like pre-answering machine.
I'm 55. That's crazy.
I'm fucking old.
I remember everything.
I remember pre-call waiting.
I remember when you got a beep beep and you realized someone else was calling.
You're like, holy shit, this is crazy.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Another person is calling while I'm on a line with a different person.
tim dillon
Yeah.
It was the future.
We've experienced this amazing time and the way the climate and everything, within 30 to 50 years, I mean, it's gonna, who knows what's gonna happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, the climate thing is interesting because it's hard to figure out who's accurate.
I've talked to people that are skeptical about forecasts because they, and this is a guy, was it Steve Kirsch?
No, what was the gentleman's name that did the podcast?
That was the guy who wrote that book, Unsettled.
It's a very good book, because he's a physicist, and he's a very stoic guy who explains things from...
You know his name?
unidentified
Stephen Coonan.
joe rogan
Coonan, that's right, Stephen Coonan.
This book, Unsettled.
I recommend it.
It's very interesting.
tim dillon
But it's just, whether human beings are contributing to the degree that people say they are or not, It's just going to suck.
joe rogan
I don't know.
tim dillon
Things are getting hot.
There's droughts.
There's all kinds of problems.
joe rogan
I think things are definitely getting hot.
tim dillon
Things just change.
joe rogan
And I think we definitely are contributing to that.
But the question is how much, and even if we weren't, would it still be happening?
And it seems like it has in history.
tim dillon
Yeah, my point is just like, you got a great, we had a nice real run here of like, you know, before it gets really bad.
Well, and it'll last for a few more.
You know, we'll get a couple of years out of it.
joe rogan
How bad do things could it get?
tim dillon
Well, I don't know if the droughts keep going and the extreme heat keeps going.
Those aren't good.
The hurricanes and all that stuff.
I mean, it seems like...
joe rogan
Yeah, but see, that's what Steve Coonan said.
It's like, those have not increased.
In fact, they've decreased in power.
tim dillon
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, we have this idea that everything is ramping up.
He's like, that's not true.
And if you look at long-term, we're looking at things in terms of our own lifetime.
This is not my perspective, this is his perspective.
If you look at a long-term model, like a thousand years, you have this dip that goes up and down regardless of...
tim dillon
Yeah, because we don't zoom out enough.
It's very possible.
It's probably true.
It just does seem like with more and more people, Even if the climate stays relatively consistent, just the amount of people...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Things are just gonna get worse.
joe rogan
Well, the amount of people is interesting, but in places where it's urbanized, the birth rate is dropping.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's what Elon's worried about.
That's his excuse for having 90 kids.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
He thinks people need to have more people.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Which is interesting.
tim dillon
And I'm not even an anti-people person.
I just mean like...
There is an inevitability to things becoming unmanageable.
It does seem like that.
It just seems like that.
I don't know if that's true or not, but it feels like it does.
joe rogan
It feels like it is.
tim dillon
Everyone's living in their own realities.
It just feels like we're heading towards problems.
joe rogan
Well, when you get big numbers, things become harder to manage, right?
unidentified
Harder.
joe rogan
And that's one of the reasons why Austin cleaned up its homeless population so easy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because we only have a million people.
There was only 2,000 homeless people.
unidentified
Not a lot.
joe rogan
They took them.
They put them in shelters.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
They put them in hotels.
They did a good job.
They took the tents away.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
It's one of the few cities where you go, well, you don't see any tents.
You see one or two and they always clean them up.
They clean them up.
tim dillon
There's no tents here anymore.
joe rogan
But it was bad for a while.
tim dillon
There's still some vagrants.
joe rogan
Oh, there's still vagrants.
tim dillon
There's still some vagrants.
joe rogan
You can't keep people from wandering around the street, and they definitely need more mental health care, and they definitely need more people that can take care of these folks and help them out.
But that's the problem.
tim dillon
Beverly Hills does a great job of it.
joe rogan
They do.
tim dillon
Beverly Hills does a great job.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they also have a lot of fucking money.
tim dillon
Well, listen.
joe rogan
And it goes other places.
tim dillon
If Jamal Khashoggi had to get it, So that I can enjoy a nice walk to get coffee in the morning?
It is what it is.
joe rogan
Did you see they fucking arrested that woman who's a PhD student for retweeting and following activists?
tim dillon
Stop tweeting!
Stop tweeting!
What is wrong with you?
How many times have I told these people, get off Twitter?
It's nice.
I live in a nice part of Beverly Hills where, and I go back and forth, I live here too, but I have this lovely, the Kingdom of Saud runs Beverly Hills, and it's a great culture, and all the men smoke, and all the women are very quiet.
And you never have to turn around to a Saudi woman and go, keep it down.
They're very quiet, and it's nice.
And it's really nice.
So, I like it, and I'm just, I'm a fan of the regime.
I'm a fan of the region.
I don't know Jamal Khashoggi.
Was Jamal Khashoggi helping me?
Or no?
It's just a really nice, beautiful Beverly Hills is gorgeous, and they don't tolerate shit.
And a lot of it's because it's mainly like Persian, Jews, and Saudis.
It's really what it is.
joe rogan
And a lot of those Live Golf posters.
tim dillon
Yeah, Live Golf.
Everyone's like, yeah, we're living, and we're going to be golfing.
Live Golf.
unidentified
Fuck the PGA. Big fan of Live Golf.
tim dillon
Big fan.
joe rogan
Selling trouble.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Big fan.
tim dillon
Big fan.
But no, I mean, it's a reality.
It's an uncomfortable reality, but the reality is that Beverly Hills looks a hell of a lot better than the rest of LA. It's a fact.
joe rogan
And you can't really turn the rest of LA into Beverly Hills.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
There's not much you could do.
tim dillon
No, but a lot of that is because the residents of Beverly Hills will not tolerate what's going on elsewhere.
And those residents are not white Americans.
That's why the racists are wrong.
The racists are like, oh, it's white people, white people, white people.
They fucking destroyed Seattle.
They destroyed Portland.
White people do a lot of fucked up shit.
Saudis do not.
joe rogan
And they do it under the guise of white guilt, too.
tim dillon
That's right.
They do it under the guise of virtue signaling and white...
Saudis did one bad thing, 9-11.
And...
It's bad, but Mulligan, move on.
Let's not fixate on it forever.
It was a not nice thing, but there's some really cool movies about it, and a couple of my friends who sadly lost their parents got some nice money.
So let's just move on.
It's not a big deal.
The new Freedom Tower is gorgeous.
They didn't do it again, and they probably did it with help from our government.
So, hey.
joe rogan
You think?
tim dillon
Yeah.
I mean, there's no way in hell we're being told the truth about that day.
We're not being told the truth.
I don't know what the truth is, but we are not being told the truth.
joe rogan
But isn't that one of those things where, after a horrific disaster, people look for threads of conspiracy?
tim dillon
Yeah, and they're right, too.
Yeah, that would be correct.
That'd be the correct impulse.
Well, because they don't happen all the time.
So if they happen all the time, you'd go, oh, this is just...
After a rainstorm, you've got to be really crazy to go, well, it's the government controlling the fucking weather.
But when a president is whacked, and they're not whacked all the time, and they're whacked in fucking Dallas, Texas, you know, yeah, and they're whacked by a guy who ends up getting whacked?
That makes you go, oh, that's interesting.
joe rogan
And a guy who travels back and forth freely from the Soviet Union.
tim dillon
You know, when all of American air defenses are outsmarted by a ragtag group of guys who couldn't pass a fucking flight test, does that make you give it a second look?
When a plane going into the Pentagon, there's not one video of that plane going into the Pentagon that's ever been released when there's 90 cameras on the fucking Pentagon?
It's not one?
Except one little weird thing where you go, look at that ball of light explode!
joe rogan
You don't think that was a plane that hit the Pentagon?
tim dillon
I have no idea what it was.
There's 90 cameras on the Pentagon.
Release one.
Release one.
joe rogan
That one video doesn't look like a plane to you?
unidentified
No.
tim dillon
Show it, Jamie.
Can you show it?
joe rogan
What does it look like?
tim dillon
Get it up, Jamie.
It's an old school podcast.
What does it look like?
It's just a ball of light.
It's weird.
Doesn't seem like a plane.
Aren't there other cameras that would show the plane?
joe rogan
So here it is.
tim dillon
Here's the plane.
unidentified
Here we go.
tim dillon
Yeah, let's play it again.
unidentified
Here we go.
tim dillon
It's a good thing.
joe rogan
It's instantaneous.
Let me see it again.
From the very beginning, you don't see it at all.
tim dillon
It's weird that that's the only video of this thing.
joe rogan
Is this?
jamie vernon
That's the only frame you can see something else before.
tim dillon
9-11, there's a million differences.
joe rogan
That looks like a plane.
tim dillon
You can't tell what kind of plane.
You don't know how big it is.
All you see is white.
joe rogan
Let me see that again.
That looks like a fucking plane to me.
tim dillon
They analyze this actually brilliantly in a documentary called 9-11, The New Pearl Harbor, and they actually talk about this exact video that was released and the frame rate and everything like that.
But it is impossible to know if that thing that you're seeing...
joe rogan
Look how big it is.
It looks like a plane.
tim dillon
What you're seeing is a streak of white.
joe rogan
Right, but look at that right there.
Tell me that doesn't look like a plane.
tim dillon
I have no idea what the hell that is.
joe rogan
But doesn't it look like a plane?
tim dillon
I have no idea what kind of plane, how big it is.
joe rogan
If I said to you, do you think that that is a house?
tim dillon
I wouldn't say it's a house.
joe rogan
It's not a flying house.
tim dillon
Not a flying house.
joe rogan
It's the shape of a plane, right?
It's more likely a plane than a house.
tim dillon
It is a shape, like a plane, which has the same shape as a missile, which has the same shape as a lot of things.
It is cylindrical and white.
joe rogan
Yeah, but is that the same shape as a missile?
It's like it's way bigger than a missile.
tim dillon
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
Look how big that is.
That's as big as a plane.
tim dillon
Are you telling me there's...
Why is there only one...
Video of this when the Pentagon is one of the most surveilled places on Earth.
joe rogan
Play it again.
jamie vernon
This looks like it's from a parking thing.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
There's no other videos of this thing.
The FBI confiscated like 80 or 90 of those videos.
joe rogan
It looks like it hit the ground as it's hitting the building.
Do it one more time.
That looks like a plane to me, man.
tim dillon
Does that look like a 757?
joe rogan
Is that what it was supposed to be?
tim dillon
Yeah, a massive 757?
joe rogan
But it's our perspective, though.
Yeah, it easily could be a 757. If you look at the perspective, that's a big-ass building.
And look how small that plane is.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's small compared to the building.
But if you had a plane out there with its wings...
You would think, yeah, that's about the size of the plane in relationship to that massive building.
tim dillon
Okay, and there should be some...
I would just imagine there'd be other angles like this.
joe rogan
Right, but a lack of proof is not proof.
tim dillon
A lack of proof can be a question.
Yeah, I guess you could have a question, but that- Well, one of my questions would be, why is there one angle of this available?
Do you know how many angles there are of the planes going into the Twin Towers, does it feel?
joe rogan
Right, but that's a different animal, right?
Especially the second plane going into the Twin Towers, because they were already observing the first one.
tim dillon
For sure.
But there's got to be more cameras around the Pentagon than just this one parking garage.
That was my question.
joe rogan
But didn't they find wreckage of a plane on the lawn?
There's photographs of wreckage?
tim dillon
There is photographs of weird stuff that is consistent with a plane, but it's also very hard.
They don't have any...
I don't believe they don't really have...
There's certain things that they found, certain things that they didn't find, and it's weird that there's only one Depiction of it in that one thing.
Like, that's all you'll ever see.
That's just odd to me.
The Pentagon's not a building that isn't surveilled.
In fact, I'm sure that there are other buildings with cameras literally pointing and filming the Pentagon.
I mean, the FBI confiscated 80 or 90, I think, security tapes.
We've seen one of them.
That's just odd to me.
That's strange.
I'm not saying I know the answer.
This is where other people will say, well, you don't know the answer.
I don't know the answer.
I'm just curious.
joe rogan
The thing about it is it looks like the trajectory that a plane would take if a plane is getting low and a plane is trying to slam into a building versus a missile.
A missile would come over the top and drop in.
tim dillon
Depending on how it was programmed, right?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
It could fly 50 feet above the ground.
tim dillon
Yeah, and I have no doubt that...
Listen, maybe if all the facts were out on the table, I'd go, oh yeah, everything they told us was true.
But we already know that they lied about the Saudi thing.
We knew that.
They literally withheld pages out of the 9-11 Commission report.
The people that...
Had the 9-11 commission report, like it's set up to fail.
The two people that ran it, Lee Hamilton, and like these are people that were literally like, yeah, we don't have all the info.
The president and the vice president appeared together to testify.
Incredibly weird.
There's just weird things.
That's all.
I don't know what happened.
Just weird.
It's weird that the president and the VP had to sit there next to each other.
joe rogan
Why is that weird?
tim dillon
When you're trying to get to the bottom of something and try to figure out why it shouldn't happen again, and you're trying to treat every person's account as their own personal account of the day, why would two officials have to sit next to each other?
It's very strange.
Everybody else was interviewed individually.
joe rogan
I bet that was Dick Cheney's idea.
tim dillon
It probably was.
joe rogan
It's probably like, I got this.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's probably like, yeah, sit down and we'll, you know, but then what does that tell you?
I mean, these are weird things.
These are odd.
I'm just saying they're odd.
I don't know what happened.
I'll never know.
I'll go to my grave not knowing what happened, like everyone else.
But, you know, maybe what?
Maybe it happened exactly the way they said.
Exactly.
Where people 30,000 feet up were calling people with cell phones that didn't work.
That don't work now 1,000 feet up.
joe rogan
Isn't it odd that, you know, like, I don't know what Trump did and what kind of documents he had.
tim dillon
Well, he just said we never got to the bottom of 9-11.
joe rogan
Did he just say it?
tim dillon
That's Donald Trump just said that, yes.
joe rogan
When did he say it?
tim dillon
They said, well, live golf, whatever the Saudis, 9-11.
He goes, we don't know what the hell happened on 9-11.
That's a quote Jamie King got up.
Trump literally was asked about live golf, asked about the Saudis, and Trump goes, yeah, we don't know what happened.
That's Trump.
The president, he probably stole the fucking 9-11 documents and he's got them at fucking Mar-a-Lago and he's going to tell everyone the truth at the Labor Day fucking Mar-a-Lago barbecue.
And now the feds are trying to fuck them.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is, isn't it crazy that they're breaking into his place and making this gigantic deal about it?
And maybe they deserve to.
Maybe it's righteous.
But yet no one's clamoring to release Ghislaine Maxwell's list of clients.
tim dillon
No one wants that.
The FBI's a criminal organization.
It doesn't mean that Donald Trump, the Trump Organization isn't a criminal organization.
That is too.
But these are criminal organizations.
The feds, the CIA, all of them.
They're fucking criminals.
Their job is to break the law.
Their jobs to wire, to, you know, to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, here we go.
Give me it from the beginning.
unidentified
Decision to host this event.
Well, I've known these people for a long time in Saudi Arabia, and they've been friends of mine for a long time.
They've invested in many American companies.
donald j trump
They own big percentages of many, many American companies.
unidentified
And frankly, what they're doing for golf is so great.
What they're doing for the players is so great.
The salaries are going to go way up.
The PGA was not loved by a lot of the players, as you know, for a long time.
donald j trump
Now they have an alternative, and nobody would have ever known there was going to be a gold rush like this.
unidentified
I think nobody ever knew that they were going to be paying signing bonuses.
donald j trump
The prize money was going to be much higher, you know, four, five, six times higher.
So instead of a million dollars, you'd win five or seven or eight.
unidentified
A lot of money, and it's even going up.
donald j trump
But the PGA Tour hasn't reacted well.
unidentified
Well, nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9-11, unfortunately, and they should have, as to the maniacs that did that horrible thing.
tim dillon
He's right about that.
unidentified
He's really been there.
tim dillon
He's right again, by the way.
donald j trump
But I can tell you that there are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we're going to have a lot of fun, and we're going to celebrate, and money's going to charity.
unidentified
A lot of money's going to charity.
And you have really the best players in the world, many of the best players in the world, and soon you'll probably have all of them.
donald j trump
Because remember this, if there's a merger, the people that didn't come, they will never get anything except a thank you from people that took advantage of them.
tim dillon
So this is truly what, this is why our society is so fucking insane right now.
The truly wokest points are being made on a golf course by a billionaire.
That's why our society has gone fucking, because he's gone, we've not gotten to the bottom of it.
By the way, that's literally what every fucking far left anti-war protester was saying from my entire childhood.
What that guy just said on a fucking golf course.
We have not gotten to the bottom of any of this shit.
We're in seven wars.
We're enriching people.
And he is making that point.
And it's amazing.
A billionaire on a golf course is going, yeah, we don't know what the fuck happened.
We're in all these wars.
That's why our society has gone so fucking insane that he is the wokest person on that issue.
Truly.
He is.
That's what a fucking lunatic...
You know, like somebody that society viewed as a lunatic would say, you know, in 2003, 2004, I mean, he's the president, we're 2022, but now a lot of people are more open to it.
They're going, yeah, man, here's the reality.
We just don't trust anybody on anything anymore.
And the government's going to have to earn that trust back.
The FBI is going to have to earn that trust back.
The FBI had a two-year, very politicized investigation saying this guy was a Russian asset.
They came up with nothing.
Came up with nothing, okay?
Trump's got all kinds of problems.
He's done a lot of shady business deals, but they didn't go at him for that.
They said he was an agent of Putin and that he was installed and that Putin would do all these things.
They were unable to prove that and, in fact, a lot of the evidence they used that was kind of cooked up in its own weird way with the Steele dossier and Clinton and all those people.
Not to say Trump's not dirty.
I'm sure he's fucking dirty.
He's a real estate billionaire in New York.
What are you, nuts?
Of course he is.
But the FBI is going to have to earn that trust back.
I mean, this is an organization that made their bones with Cointelpro.
They made their bones...
I mean, assassinating civil rights leaders and setting up people, protecting pedophile politicians, fucking doing all this crazy stuff, right?
I mean, they can't just...
We're supposed to just say the FBI is great?
No?
That's crazy.
It's absurd to me and to others.
Doesn't mean Trump's wrong, but if he took like a Bill of Rights on the way out, who gives a fuck?
Yeah, he grabbed a bill of rights or something on the way out.
Listen, the guy knows value.
He knows money.
Listen, he didn't make a lot of money.
He had to cut some side deals while he was in there.
He didn't make a lot of money.
We don't pay the president a lot because it's really not an important job.
joe rogan
Well, he didn't take a salary.
tim dillon
Right, because the salary's fake.
What is it?
$500,000 a year?
It's embarrassing.
That shows you how much the job is not really important.
So he wanted to take some parting gift on the way out.
unidentified
So what?
tim dillon
He grabbed the fucking Articles of Confederation?
Who cares?
He grabbed something good.
I hope he's got something real good.
I hope he's got a couple of fucking letters from John Adams, some of the UFO shit.
I hope he's got some Kennedy stuff.
I hope he's got a whole file.
You know he's got something good.
If they're freaking out like this, he's got something good.
Good.
joe rogan
You think so?
tim dillon
I hope.
joe rogan
I think they're just trying to get him.
tim dillon
They might be.
joe rogan
Well, I think what he did was against the law.
And if it is against the law...
Somebody made a point, like, if that room is locked and is safe and secured by Secret Service agents, isn't that a secure place for those documents?
The problem is it's not the correct...
jamie vernon
Yeah, they asked them to, and I think they had a video that showed those documents going in and out of that room after they told them to lock it up, and they said they did.
joe rogan
Oh, so he told them to lock it up.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tim dillon
No, I don't know what he did.
joe rogan
Maybe he did something.
What do you mean they told them to lock it up?
What do you mean by that?
How'd they say it?
jamie vernon
What I was reading was that they probably told them where it was going to be held, and they were like, okay, if you hold them there, make sure you follow these steps.
And they were like, okay, we'll follow those steps.
Then they got a video I read that showed, which I'm reading this stuff, so I don't know exactly.
tim dillon
Maybe he did something really courageous.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
What was the video?
jamie vernon
Apparently the video showed the documents leaving that room for a period of time before they were then put back in that room.
joe rogan
So he had an understanding with them that he's allowed to possess them as long as they're in a secure location?
jamie vernon
I had read that they'd been there to look for documents back in January.
joe rogan
Can you see if you can find that article so we can get the specifics of that?
jamie vernon
Sure.
tim dillon
He might have done something egregious.
We don't know.
He's the kind of guy he is.
We don't know.
But I also know this.
After Bush got out, there was this idea that he was going to be prosecuted for war crimes.
You know, that was a justifiable prosecution.
But people said, you know, it would tear the country apart, leave it alone.
I don't know.
If this is egregious, then it's one thing.
But if it's not, then let it, you know.
joe rogan
Who was saying they should prosecute him for war crimes?
tim dillon
The far left and people on the left were going, yeah.
They were going, you know, flouted the Geneva Convention.
No, there was no argument that what Bush did was tantamount to war crimes.
We shipped detainees to countries where we knew they were going to get tortured.
We tortured them ourselves.
You could have absolutely tried him for war crimes in The Hague.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Did you see that interview with Roger Waters?
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
On CNN? You gotta watch this.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
You gotta watch this.
Yeah.
Because Roger Waters throws it all in his face.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's talking about war criminals and he shows a photo of Biden.
Right.
And they're like, like, why are you showing, like, your last thing was all anti-Trump in his last show.
Right.
Trump with a pig's body.
There's a bunch of wild anti-Trump shit.
And in this, he talks about war criminals, and he shows photos of war criminals, and one of them is of Biden.
tim dillon
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
So CNN was pushing back against it, but Roger Waters...
Pull that video up, because it's fucking wild.
tim dillon
Yeah, Biden supported all that stuff, too.
joe rogan
Roger Waters is very well-versed politically.
He really understands what's going on.
And it's interesting to watch him being...
I forget who the journalist was.
Here, let's play the video because it's pretty interesting.
Here it goes.
Yeah, this is it.
This is it.
Go ahead.
Give me some volume.
unidentified
Politics, he's amping them up to 11. Last time out, he preached against Donald Trump and in favor of Palestine.
This tour, twice delayed by COVID and ominously titled, This Is Not A Drill, includes references to police murdering black men, semi-automatic weapons and abortion, and giant video screens in the shape of a cross.
Waters guitarist Jonathan Wilson has explained why Waters tour differs from those of fellow older classic rockers.
Quote, even the Stones or members of the Beatles, it's more of a trip down memory lane than it is a current show.
The activism, that's sort of the key to the whole thing.
As a longtime fan of Waters music who doesn't always agree with his messaging, I wanted to ask him about his mix of performing and preaching.
Things got a bit animated.
So, here's the quote, as I understand, that begins the show.
If you're one of those, I love Pink Floyd, but I can't stand Roger's politics, people.
You might do well to f*** off to the bar.
You might do well to f*** off to the bar right now.
At the outset of the show?
Yeah.
Because...
roger waters
Because it's a really good way to start the show.
Apart from anything else, it sets a few things straight.
unidentified
Namely?
roger waters
Well, also it encourages a lot of the people who have come to the show A, because they have listened to everything I've written since, you know, 1965 or whenever I started writing songs, so they do know what my politics are and they do understand where my heart is and they understand sort of why I'm there.
But maybe it also gives a message to people who don't want to be there, in which case them effing off to the bar is probably not a bad idea.
Except that, you never know, those people, if they sit in a community like my audience is on these shows of This Is Not A Drill on this tour, there is such a great feeling of communication in that room between me and the audience, and between us combined, With all our brothers and sisters all over the rest of the world, irrespective of who they are, where they live, their ethnicity, their religion, their nationality, or anything else.
Because if this is not a drill, has a message, it is that we have to communicate one with the other.
unidentified
To the guy who says, shut the F up, play the hits, do you want him, as long as he doesn't shout it out, do you want him in the arena?
roger waters
I don't not want him there, as long as he doesn't annoy the people who do understand what's going on in the arena.
I'm happy for him to be there.
unidentified
But I'm saying, like, do I have to buy in?
Does a person in the crowd have to buy in to the message?
I've always loved the music.
Some of the messages I can buy into and some I can't.
roger waters
I've only got one message.
Two strangers passing in the street, by chance two passing glances meet, and I am you and what I see is me.
That is my message.
And that was on medal, which was in 1970. And basically my message hasn't changed.
I recognise your humanity, but I recognise all the Russians and the Chinese and the Ukrainians and the Yemenis and the Palestinians.
unidentified
Are you an equal opportunity offender on this tour?
Here's why I ask.
I remember the last tour.
Of course, I came and watched.
Very much, you know, about Trump.
And in the current show, you've got a montage of war criminals, according to you, and a picture apparently of President Biden on the screen, and it says, just getting started.
What's that all about?
roger waters
President Joe Biden?
unidentified
Yeah.
roger waters
Well, he's fueling the fire in the Ukraine for a start.
That is a huge crime.
Why won't the United States of America encourage Zelensky, the president, to negotiate obviating the need for this horrific, horrendous war that's killing...
We don't know how many Ukrainians in Russia.
unidentified
But you're blaming the party that got invaded.
Come on, you've got it reversed.
roger waters
Well, any war, when did it start?
What you need to do is look at the history and you can say, well, it started on this day.
You could say it started in 2008. This war is basically about the action and reaction of NATO pushing right up to the Russian border, which they promised they wouldn't do when Gorbachev We've negotiated the withdrawal of the USSR from the whole of Eastern Europe.
unidentified
When you say this, then I have to say, what about our role as liberators?
You of all people...
roger waters
You have no role as liberators.
unidentified
World War II? World War II? You lost your father!
Come on!
roger waters
It's Pearl Harbor.
Pearl Harbor.
unidentified
You were completely isolationist until that sad That devastating, awful day in 1941. I would argue we were always going to get in, and that pushed us in.
But thank God the United States got in, right?
You lost your father in World War II. Thank God the United States...
roger waters
But thank God the Russians had already won the bloody war almost by then.
Don't forget, 23 million Russians died.
Protecting you and me from the Nazi menace.
unidentified
And you would think the Russians would have learned their lesson from war and wouldn't have invaded Ukraine.
roger waters
Well, you, with all your reading, I would suggest you, Michael, that you go away and read a bit more and then try and figure out what the United States would do if the Chinese were putting nuclear-armed missiles into Mexico and Canada.
unidentified
The Chinese are too busy encircling Taiwan as we speak.
roger waters
They're not encircling Taiwan.
Taiwan is part of China.
And that's been absolutely accepted by the whole of the international community since 1948. And if you don't know that, you're not reading enough.
Go and read about it.
unidentified
Okay.
Did we solve anything here today?
roger waters
No.
Well, yeah, we did.
I mean, no, we didn't.
You're believing your propaganda, your side's propaganda.
You're defining it as propaganda.
But Taiwan, you can't have a conversation about human rights, and you can't have a conversation about Taiwan without actually doing the reading.
unidentified
Roger, if you're having a conversation about human rights, at the top of the list of offenders are the Chinese.
Why is it always the Western world?
roger waters
Why is it always the Western world?
The Chinese didn't invade Iraq and kill a million people in 2003. In fact, as far as I can record, hang on a minute, who have the Chinese invaded and murdered, slaughtered?
unidentified
Their own.
Their own.
roger waters
Bollocks.
unidentified
Okay.
roger waters
That's absolute nonsense.
Complete nonsense.
You should go away and read, but read some proper literature.
unidentified
Hey, my problem is I spend too much time reading your liner notes, okay?
Thank you for doing this.
roger waters
Thank you for talking to me.
It's always a pleasure.
joe rogan
I just don't understand why he'd be laughing.
He's laughing like a Kamala Harris laugh.
tim dillon
Michael Smirconish is not the brightest bulb, right?
I mean, CNN does not hire smart people.
And Roger Waters is right about a lot of that.
There's things, obviously, that there's blind spots there.
I mean, China's certainly not nice to all of their people.
But, you know, we've gotten to a point, we've lost our moral authority.
America's lost, it's still the best country to live if you are an ambitious, relatively healthy person.
And it's still heads and shoulders above a lot of places, but it's no longer, it does not have the moral authority that it once did.
And when it wades into these things like Russia, Ukraine, or China, there's a lot more baggage that we have now as a country than we did.
And that Iraq and Afghanistan and the legitimization of torture and all of these things, you know, we are not looked at as this moral paragon.
We're just not.
Roger Waters is 100% right about all that stuff.
joe rogan
But that's wild that they aired that, too.
That's wild, yeah.
I mean, he schooled that guy.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
I mean, the real point was China invading other countries.
They've never done it.
This is not something they do.
tim dillon
No, we have been for a very long time.
You know, pushing this narrative that we are liberators and that we are there to help.
And I think the last round of conflicts that we engaged in, you know, the last round of wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, one we left completely disgraced, Afghanistan and Iraq.
It seems, you know, I don't know what the hell's going on there now, but it doesn't seem to be worth it.
You know, if people look back at it, they go, yeah, that wasn't worth it.
A lot of people died.
Soldiers from our country died.
Million people or hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq died, you know?
And yes, Saddam Hussein is a bad guy, but did it make us safer from terrorism to overthrow Saddam Hussein?
Seems to have done potentially the opposite, you know?
Terrorists were kicked out of Iraq.
I mean, Saddam Hussein was not, you know, fostering people in that country that would be a threat to him or challenge his power.
So, you know, It's tough.
It's tough because obviously we don't want to turn the world over to China and Russia and things like that, but we don't really have the authority we used to have.
joe rogan
We definitely don't have this moral high ground that the CNN guys claiming we have, or this consensus that we're the liberators of the world.
There's a large swath of the population that doesn't want that.
They want peace through negotiation and not peace through military intervention.
That's Tulsi Gabbard's position.
tim dillon
That's right.
And she's demonized for it like no one, like no other.
I mean, it's really they attack her.
When you go abroad, you know, people's feeling in America now, they're just kind of over us.
They just don't care.
They don't hate us anymore.
They're just over it.
Like, yeah, you're America.
unidentified
We're goofy.
tim dillon
We get it.
You know, they're like, yeah, try to make a, you know, but again, we haven't made a good funny movie in a minute.
joe rogan
We haven't done like- The only funny is comedy right now.
Stand up.
tim dillon
Yeah, podcasts and shit like that.
joe rogan
There's some mild comedies.
tim dillon
There's some new young funny guys.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a lot of great comics.
A lot of great podcasts.
The stand-up comedy and podcast, it's holding raw, wild comedy down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because movies like Superbad.
Yeah.
Tropic Thunder, you're not making those things.
No.
Jamie Foxx was just talking about a film that he made in 2016 that got shelved, and in it, Robert Downey Jr. plays a Mexican guy.
tim dillon
Right, right.
See, if we were making funny stuff, I think that would be a way to get the world to love us again.
That was always our superpower, was that we could make cool shit and funny stuff and great music.
joe rogan
But they want to make comedy without any criticism.
tim dillon
They want to make comedy without comedy.
It's a problem.
But I do think that eventually...
You know, we've learned how to do everything on our own.
We've learned how to do talk shows on our own.
You know, our shows, your shows, certainly in my show, a lot of times, you know, they get more viewers in Kimmel.
They get more viewers in Fallon, right?
This space that we're in has replaced late night television.
People can watch it whenever they want.
My show comes out late at night.
A lot of people watch shows late at night.
They have fun.
They smoke a joint.
They have a drink, whatever.
You know, this has replaced that.
So eventually...
The technology will be there for people to make their own films, like Louisa Cage's did, to fund these things, to distribute them.
You know, and I think you'll be living in this decentralized space where a lot of interesting art is going to get made.
And, you know, if Hollywood's smart, they're going to start grabbing up this stuff before it's too late.
joe rogan
Well, what's interesting is what you were saying about Netflix not giving you any notes.
Right.
That, to me, seems like they're waking up.
And we were talking about their stock price dropping by like 80%.
And they still have some of the best fucking content that's available.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
I mean, they have Ozark.
They have fucking Stranger Things.
They have so many good shows.
Every rerun of every great sitcom, all the great stuff is all available.
tim dillon
They also have...
It's a good app.
The tech works.
They're a tech company.
The algorithm...
They know some of these other things with arguably as good or better content because they're not tech companies.
A lot of these apps suck.
The experience is like, where is this shit?
Whatever.
Netflix has all the ingredients to be good.
The content they make has to just get better.
joe rogan
Well, they're making blockbuster movies now.
tim dillon
They're trying, yeah.
joe rogan
The Greyman is fucking great.
tim dillon
I've not seen it yet.
joe rogan
It's fun.
I read the book.
The book is great.
The book is a little bit more crazy because they only have a movie length to do it.
The Terminalist, they did over, what is it, six episodes or something like that on Amazon?
The Jack Carr series, which is also great.
And the Terminalists, they followed the book pretty closely.
Not too much deviation at all.
And that goes over like six hours.
So it's the same thing with The Gray Man.
It's the same length book.
tim dillon
Ethan Hawke.
joe rogan
No, Ethan Hawke's not the great man.
Ethan Hawke is in that horror movie, The Black Phone.
That's what he's in now.
tim dillon
I saw that.
unidentified
That's good.
joe rogan
That's fucking great.
But is that a Netflix too?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No.
That's a movie movie, right?
Ryan Gosling.
tim dillon
Ryan Gosling, sorry.
joe rogan
And Chris Evans.
Chris Evans is a fucking great bad guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He plays this evil character in it.
tim dillon
I gotta watch it.
joe rogan
It's fun.
tim dillon
I gotta watch it.
joe rogan
It's a big budget, big budget movie.
Like fucking explosions, chaos, and Some of the scenes took like $20 million to shoot.
It's wild shit.
It's great.
tim dillon
I have no doubt, and I'm excited hopefully for a little bit of a detente where people can just go, hey, let's make fun stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have to like it.
This is the thing.
I don't want to stop people from making some types of metal.
That's not my kind of music, but people fucking love it.
They love getting in mosh pits.
I've seen these concerts.
I have friends that love that hardcore music.
They jump around, they get fucking crazy on stage.
I'm good friends with John Joseph, who's the lead singer of the Cro-Max.
It's just not my thing.
But people love it.
Some people love jazz.
I've tried.
It's not grabbing me.
If I'm gonna listen to old cool shit, I want to listen to Nina Simone or I want to listen to something with his lyrics to it.
It's just not my thing.
But maybe if I was a musician, it would be my thing.
But I don't want to stop people from seeing it.
Just like I don't want to stop people from going to a Tarantino movie.
You don't have to like your kind of comedy.
But I do.
I fucking love it.
I fucking love it, and I'm glad that you're out there.
So for me, as a fan, I'm like, don't stop what I like.
tim dillon
Let everybody do their own thing.
And that's what's great about this decentralization that we're all seeing everywhere.
We're seeing people become smaller, kind of leaner, meaner.
Their organizations are more...
We're nimble.
They can react to things, generate content quicker, put it out.
People enjoy it.
They can build an audience faster.
These older companies are cruise ships.
They're big.
They're cumbersome.
It's hard to get them to do things.
I think seeing the independence over the last couple of years, these big companies that have shitloads of money are going to start going to these people and going, yeah, you've got something good here.
Let's see if we can, by putting it on our platform, let's see if we can go into business together.
Let's see if there's some type of reciprocal relationship that works.
I mean, I don't see why that wouldn't happen.
I think that's a natural You know inevitable you know consequence of people wanting to earn money you know these companies going you guys have big audiences Come and share those audiences and we'll get you more of an audience and that seems to make a lot of sense to me That would be a more more fascinating alternative approach to YouTube if YouTube had more of an approach of just let and What becomes popular, popular.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Instead of like forcing specific things or demonetizing certain things where it's freedom of speech and expression.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You should be allowed to state your opinions on things.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
And many of the things that people have been demonetized for and penalized for have turned out to actually be true.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
A lot of them, right?
And so we have to be open to the idea that the correct answer to dealing with a problem of who's right is let people talk it out.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
You gotta let people talk it out.
And I understand that you're gonna have horrible people, like Holocaust deniers and fucking Nazis.
You're gonna have horrible people.
But you're also gonna have people that push back against horrible people.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And the laws that we have in place, like the rules that we all agree on, are like, don't threaten people, don't dox people, allow for discourse.
Allow for people to agree or disagree.
Even if they say the nuttiest shit.
Trump was appointed by Jesus and he will now be president forever when Jesus returns.
tim dillon
I think what's going to happen is there'll be places where people are going to say that.
YouTube is this big, big platform, right?
But I do think you have other platforms like Rumble.
And like Odyssey, and they're just never gonna be as big as YouTube, but I think you know Rumble's got what 60 million people on there?
It's not small.
joe rogan
No, Rumble's really growing.
They're growing huge, and they're signing people too.
They're signing people to go over to Rumble, which makes sense.
tim dillon
Yeah, YouTube to me is like a place to put your content.
To me it is not, I mean I think it's very important.
I would love it to be governed differently, but I don't have a say in that.
joe rogan
Listen, YouTube is fantastic.
And this is not from the perspective of me doing a podcast that airs on YouTube, just from what I enjoy out of it.
I'm a fan of pool.
It just seems like a stupid thing, right?
Yeah, it is.
It's just a stupid game.
I'm fascinated by it, and I've always tried to play well.
And I watch old matches.
I can watch matches from the 1970s.
Like, these were never available before.
Before, there was a company called Accustats, and I'd buy them.
I had boxes, boxes of VHS tapes, like this high, of Accustats boxes, like old Buddy Hall versus Keith McCready in 1988, and I would watch those things, because you learn how guys move the balls around the table.
Those were impossible to find back then.
I used to have to hoard them, but you'd have to get them from this online company.
But now you can get them on YouTube instantaneously.
Any instructional you want to know on basically anything.
tim dillon
You want to learn archery?
joe rogan
John Dudley has a full series of from the beginning of picking up a bow, setting your drawing.
tim dillon
All of it's taught.
joe rogan
You can learn from the masters.
tim dillon
You can learn how to play guitar or piano.
unidentified
What about a council?
tim dillon
If YouTube was a little more democratic, there was a council, decisions weren't made in the background.
Groom all the time.
The problem is, Steve will do it, who's a friend of mine, part of the Nelk thing, the Nelk boys, he just, his channel was completely deleted because he didn't blur out like a URL of some gambling website.
He was, you know, just one of those clerical mistakes.
joe rogan
Did he get it back?
tim dillon
What kind of coffee is that?
joe rogan
Black.
tim dillon
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
Black rifle.
tim dillon
Is it like crazy?
joe rogan
No, it's just awesome.
tim dillon
I don't know if it's one of those.
joe rogan
No, it's really good.
Shout out to Evan, Evan Hafer, my buddy who owns it.
And Matt Best.
Shout out.
Shout out, boys.
They make dope coffee.
It's really good.
He's a coffee nut.
He started Black Rifle Coffee because he was roasting coffee on the back of his Humvee when he was overseas.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's that much of a coffee nut.
He'd bring a roaster with him to war.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was like, there's a thing about having a nice cup of coffee that sort of sets the mood of the day.
tim dillon
Yeah, so this is the coffee they drank before they carpet bombed the Iraqi families.
unidentified
Yum.
joe rogan
That's what I'm scared of more than anything, is drone warfare.
tim dillon
Drug warfare?
joe rogan
Drone.
Drone warfare.
unidentified
Oh, drone, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm scared of that more than anything.
tim dillon
What about the stuff in Baja now, Mexico, California?
What is going on there?
Is that cartels?
joe rogan
What's happening?
My friend, Ed Calderon, he's been on the podcast a couple of times.
He's an expert in cartels, and he explains the way it works down there.
It's a very violent cartel war.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They're lighting cars on fire to block the exit so you can't get into San Diego.
Jesus.
Like they're blocked off the highway.
Yeah, it's scary shit.
They installed a curfew at night so no one is allowed to be on the street by word of the cartel and everybody responds to it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
So do we need them to come in to fix LA? Can we just bring the cartel in?
joe rogan
This is, you know, what happens when you have no rules, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The people with the power make all the rules.
tim dillon
Sounds like there's more rules in downtown LA. We could use a curfew.
Let's bring in the cartel.
Why not?
joe rogan
That's like the people that say, like, it was better when the mob ran Vegas.
Yeah, unless they killed you.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Look at what's going on here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's wild down there.
Yeah, they're lighting buses on fire and shit.
tim dillon
Now, what is this about?
What is the general problem?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
That I don't have the answer to.
We should probably Google this.
There's some sort of dispute over territory, I'm assuming.
But here's the thing.
These people have insane sums of money.
They're making insane sums of money.
They have incredible resources at their disposal.
You don't understand what you're talking about when someone doesn't pay taxes and they're selling cocaine.
And they're getting it through the United States every day.
They're making fucking billions and billions of dollars.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And a lot of them are very smart when it comes to business.
They understand what they're doing.
And they control territory the way businesses control territory.
They just do it in a crazy, ruthless way.
tim dillon
So like one cartel will have like one swath of territory.
joe rogan
And it didn't used to be like that.
This is all funded by the drug war.
All of this.
This is like us eating poison and wondering why we're dying.
Like this was literally funded by This desire that other people have to control what you can and can't do with your body because of existing laws.
Not because of rational, logical thinking about other intelligent human beings and their perspectives, and whether or not they can handle this, or whether or not this is beneficial to them.
No, they just decide, sweepingly, that they can control you.
tim dillon
That's wild.
joe rogan
It's wild.
tim dillon
It's amazing how the turf wars, where it's like one cartel's We have the right to provide product to this area.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Like one cartel goes, we have Whitney Cummings House, you know?
And then they get in a fight about who can...
It's weird to me that...
joe rogan
We funded that.
tim dillon
Yeah.
With laws.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if they didn't pass that sweeping...
tim dillon
Why do you think we did that?
joe rogan
For money.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
For money.
You can control it.
They're still selling opiates.
tim dillon
They're selling heroin.
Our narco state is on our southern border.
Really, there's no reason for that unless we have some hand in it.
joe rogan
It's because we made it illegal.
So the only way you can make money selling the stuff that people want, like cocaine, is you got to get it illegally in here.
But there's a massive business.
And they're pretending it doesn't exist?
Or you're gonna fucking stop it by arresting a few people here and there?
tim dillon
No way.
joe rogan
Do you know how much money is involved?
You see these fucking tunnels these guys dig?
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
They have electricity in them and shit.
tim dillon
They're miles long.
Bro.
joe rogan
These people are well-funded.
They're well-funded.
And they're funded by our stupid fucking laws.
tim dillon
Do you think it'll ever get to a point where we legalize everything?
joe rogan
The problem is we're so coddled.
If everything became legal tomorrow, people would die.
For sure.
For sure, we would lose folks.
It would be a problem.
They're not innocuous.
When you're talking about giving people heroin and giving people cocaine, I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want if you were an informed, consenting adult.
That's my stance on anything you want to do.
tim dillon
There's so much fentanyl.
joe rogan
But that said, if that shit just becomes legal everywhere and you could just go to 7-Eleven and buy meth, People are gonna die.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
It's gonna happen.
That's right.
Because you're gonna have more access to it.
You'll probably have way more addicts.
Right.
They're gonna have to learn how to use this.
It's like, there's an argument that they make about kids in Europe.
Like in Italy, when you're young, you could drink wine.
So they let kids drink wine, and they don't become alcoholics as much.
It's not even nearly the rate that we have in America.
Because they don't make it this horrible forbidden fruit that one day, one day I'm gonna get my hand on that carrot and dangle that drink.
21, it's your first drink, Billy, wink, wink.
tim dillon
And then here's the car keys, here's the booze.
joe rogan
And it's always wink, wink.
tim dillon
It's your first drink, right?
joe rogan
Everybody's had a drink before 21. Everybody.
Everybody.
Nobody fucking waits.
tim dillon
It's stupid.
joe rogan
You just can't go to a bar.
So you make it this forbidden fruit that people can't wait to get to.
So it becomes a giant part of their life.
tim dillon
Let's get drunk.
joe rogan
We can get drunk.
It's the weekend.
We can get drunk.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fun to get drunk.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
It's great.
It's a good product.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They figured out something that actually does make things more silly.
Right.
I mean, if that was illegal, you would have organized crime, and that's what they fucking had.
We know it.
That's how the mob emerged.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
That's where they got all their money.
unidentified
That's right.
They were selling alcohol to fucking NASCAR drivers.
tim dillon
Such a bad system.
joe rogan
That's what NASCAR is.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
NASCAR was, they developed that.
joe rogan
We're moonshiners.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're trying to get the fuck away from cops.
tim dillon
It's amazing.
joe rogan
They souped up their cars.
tim dillon
That's fucking amazing.
That's the origin of NASCAR. That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's one of the most American things of all time.
unidentified
Ever.
tim dillon
Ever.
joe rogan
NASCAR is one of the most American things of all time.
tim dillon
Just high powered moonshine vehicles.
joe rogan
Moonshine vehicles, wild southern boys just going down dirt roads sideways in a 69 Charger.
tim dillon
Yeah, and that's the fucking genesis of NASCAR. That's the genesis.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's where it started from.
tim dillon
That's amazing.
So many people don't know that.
joe rogan
Those crazy motherfuckers were running alcohol, getting away from cops and souped up cars.
tim dillon
Well, do you think we'll be like, do you think federal legalization's coming of marijuana?
joe rogan
I think it should have come when the Biden administration took office.
That was one of their promises.
You should do that.
You should exonerate people that are in jail for selling it to.
There's a guy that's in jail that I just sent something to.
He was in Phoenix.
This is one of the craziest fucking stories you'll ever hear.
This guy was in Phoenix and he sold weed to an undercover cop I think four times in small amounts that's four times it was a total of Here I'll send you the link Jamie four times it was a total of a little bit over an ounce so because it was over an ounce they were allowed to charge him and They put him in jail for 15 years now in Phoenix right now 16 years excuse me in Phoenix or
and they just denied Clemency for this job I mean, the guy was just selling weed.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, and maybe did bad things from the past.
But whatever he did was not worthy of this while there's legal weed right now in Phoenix.
tim dillon
And people are making millions and millions.
joe rogan
Just because someone did something in the past they already did their time for, doesn't mean a small thing like selling weed...
tim dillon
And this is a kid.
joe rogan
...should lock someone in a fucking cage.
I don't know how old he is.
tim dillon
Well, let's say a South Phoenix kid.
Got 16 years.
joe rogan
How old is he?
Does it say how old this guy is?
21. 21. Jesus fucking Christ.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
So 21, you're gonna give him 15 years because he sold an undercover cop.
tim dillon
This is fucked up.
joe rogan
Weed four times.
tim dillon
It's entrapment.
It's fucked.
joe rogan
Well, first of all, yes, he was selling weed.
Yes, he was selling weed.
But who fucking cares?
There's so many crimes being committed.
This is the most mild of crimes.
The guy selling weed?
That should not be something you should arrest someone for.
Like, don't break the law.
Okay, when you have no more robbers, and no more murderers, and no more rapists, and no more fucking carjackers, when all that stuff is complete zero...
Then, focus on weed.
tim dillon
This is stupid.
It was never fair to me that so many people lost their entire lives.
joe rogan
No, not fair.
tim dillon
And that should be changed.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
They're still in jail.
Like when we're talking about Brittany Griner, yes, it's terrible that they put her in jail for that.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
But it's crazy that we have thousands of people in America in jail for the same fucking thing.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of them.
tim dillon
Do you think we'll get her out?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I think they're gonna make a negotiation.
Politically, it's a smart thing to do.
I think to leave her in jail is a horrible slight.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
But it also highlights the many Americans that are in jail that they haven't tried to get, that were supposedly tried for.
Maybe false accusations of espionage or whatever it is.
All kinds of wild shit.
There's a lot of people in jail, in foreign prisons, that probably shouldn't be in jail.
And we're all aware of that.
And I get that this woman is loved, and I get what happened to her was horrible.
It's fucked.
It's beyond fucked, right?
But we have people in America right now that are locked up.
And they basically did the same thing.
They just had something on them they weren't supposed to have.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Whether they're selling...
If you want to get him for tax evasion, and say he owes you money because he's been selling $100,000 worth of weed a month for the last three years, okay, get him on that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get him on that.
If you find some big-time drug dealer, and he's driving a Lamborghini and doesn't pay taxes, hey, bro.
tim dillon
Right.
Give me some money.
joe rogan
Give me some money and plus you might have to go to jail.
tim dillon
I hope that we figure out a way to do that.
I mean, it should absolutely be a priority of any supposedly progressive group of people to figure out a way to stop the bleeding there and get these people out of jail, have their lives restored, and stop people from going into jail for non-violent Drug offenses.
joe rogan
You're also not giving a person a chance to grow.
You know, you're putting them in this situation where you stop all of their, like this one decision that they make at 21 years old.
tim dillon
Is defining their entire life.
joe rogan
It's just to sell weed.
How heartless is that?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's heartless.
tim dillon
It's tough.
joe rogan
It's heartless.
tim dillon
And I knew kids that got caught with a lot of stuff and they had the money to get big time lawyers and then they didn't get those sentences.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So it is, you know, it's uneven.
joe rogan
And, you know, they point to history of crime, that people have a history of doing things.
Like, yeah, I'm sure he does.
But if he did his time for that, like, you can't just automatically, retroactively attach something that's innocuous, like selling weed today, with, you know, assault from ten years ago, or whatever it was.
You can't do that.
tim dillon
Can't.
joe rogan
You can't do that.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
You can't do that, because if he did time for that, then he did time for that.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, does he have a history of it?
Yeah, but it shouldn't attach itself to this new crime.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
But I think he was on probation, too, which is also part of the problem.
tim dillon
Oh, then fuck him.
No, I'm kidding.
It's still bad.
joe rogan
It's still bad.
I think the probation alone puts him in jail for five years, the probation violation.
tim dillon
So we need a happy medium.
You can't have no cops, but you also can't have a draconian police state.
You've got to have...
That's what we talk about, that compromise, that rational attitude.
joe rogan
There also has to be some compassion for people.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
That's not a violent crime.
It's not a big deal.
There's got to be compassion for people.
tim dillon
Especially, I think, people that are younger and have their entire lives ahead of them.
And if they're not violent, and they're not killing people or hurting people, and they make a mistake like that, to doom them is crazy.
joe rogan
Listen, man, when I was 21, I was a fucking idiot.
I would have sold weed to a cop for sure.
100%.
tim dillon
The only reason I didn't get in trouble was luck.
You know, I could have gotten pulled over, intoxicated.
I drank, smoked weed.
I was doing all kinds of other drugs and I had them in my car and I was just lucky enough to never get pulled over when I had the bad stuff in my car.
I just had eight balls of cocaine in the car.
It's like, you know, but thank God, none of that.
But it's just luck.
It's the luck of the draw, you know?
joe rogan
A lot of it's the luck of the draw.
A lot of it is, you know...
tim dillon
I know guys that I knew that I used to hang out with that got popped for Deewees, they got popped for drugs, they did time in jail, they...
joe rogan
Kid I went to high school with got in a drunk traveling accident and killed his friend.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It was a kid I knew well.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
I hung out with him all the time.
tim dillon
Young when they did it when he was young?
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
We were really young.
We were in high school.
tim dillon
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And he's got to live with that for the rest of his life.
joe rogan
For the rest of his life.
tim dillon
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
I know a girl...
joe rogan
And he's not a bad guy.
tim dillon
No, of course.
joe rogan
He was a good guy.
He was a real good guy.
tim dillon
Friend of mine just used to date a girl.
She got three DWIs in Chicago, ten years in jail.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
Three on your third strike there.
They are not...
They don't fuck around.
Put you in for ten years.
joe rogan
Yeah, it should be that your car doesn't work.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, but nobody wants to give up to that.
unidentified
No, no, people have somebody blowing the thing.
joe rogan
You get in your fucking car and it reads your, like, I have one of them whoop straps, you know, you put on your wrist, it measures your activity and your workouts and shit like that.
Why, you know, it's not the worst idea in the world, like, if you want to be able to drive a car, you should have an app that says, if you're sober, Because if you're really drunk and you think you can handle it- It's a problem.
That's a fucking problem.
tim dillon
Yeah, and there's a lot of people that make those decisions and you make one bad decision and your entire life is now It's irreversibly changed.
joe rogan
Especially when you're like 21, or this kid, my friend in high school was like, I think he was like 17 at the time.
tim dillon
Do the wrong thing.
I got in a car accident.
I was not high, but I got in a car accident when I was young, and my secretary, the secretary of my company was in the car, and she ended up being okay, but it was a bad head-on collision.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
And it was like, you know, you imagine that, like, listen, you can get in an accident sober.
Yes.
joe rogan
Very easily.
tim dillon
So the reality is you up the ante, you're on drugs, you're drinking.
I mean, you can get in a life-changing event fucking sober.
So you do something like that, you get in a car.
I mean, thank God that the damage wasn't worse.
Thank God this woman was fat and she was able to take- A good impact.
A good impact.
It's true.
joe rogan
Cars are really well designed today, too.
tim dillon
Well, they're better than they were.
They're better than they were.
joe rogan
Oh, they're a lot better than they were.
But they're still fucking...
It's such a wild agreement that we have that you stay in your lane and I stay in my lane and we go kind of impossibly fast.
tim dillon
It's the one thing I miss.
About New York City.
There's a lot of things I miss about New York City.
But there is such a nice...
Someone like you, you're way too famous for it.
But when you don't have to drive, and you just walk around all day, and you look at your phone and you're like, I've done fucking 11,000 steps and I didn't even realize it.
And you're like, I walk all day.
You go, there's something nice about that as a lifestyle.
joe rogan
It's way better for you, that's for sure.
tim dillon
It's a lifestyle.
You go, I don't have to sit in traffic.
I can walk around.
There's something nice about not fucking having a car or having a car that you can use when you want.
But you go, the majority of the time, I'm on foot.
And that was my favorite thing I think about.
New York was like that pedestrian culture of like you could walk around a lot.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And you didn't have to necessarily be dependent on a car.
It is dangerous.
I mean, you get on the 405 at night, get on a 101, you see the way these people fucking drive.
joe rogan
There's always that one dude.
tim dillon
Even here in Austin, just anywhere late at night.
joe rogan
There's always that one dude in a pickup truck.
That's just going way too fucking fast.
tim dillon
Yeah, you know, it's like, and you see, and I'm not the best driver, I'm a pretty good driver, but I'll kill you.
You know what I mean?
You know, there's people that, I'm in Facebook groups about the cutting guy off a Whataburger and all that shit.
And I won't even mean to kill you, but I'll kill you, and I won't even mean it.
I won't even mean it.
I'll be on my phone.
And I'll just kill you and your family.
So it's so hard.
No, I try.
I'm a lot better now.
But I've totaled five cars.
When I was younger, I was really bad.
I was really bad.
I left the scene of most of those accidents.
Because it's a horrible way to meet someone.
To stay there.
A few of them I had to stay.
But some of them I was just like, pfft, later.
One woman got out of the car, started screaming, yelling, and I just went, enough.
She was fine.
I was like, enough.
But yeah, you just get in accidents all the time.
All the time.
All the time.
joe rogan
It's going to be interesting when those autonomous cars start going out.
tim dillon
They're coming.
joe rogan
Yeah, because right now the self-driving thing, it's very highly criticized.
It's not really there yet in terms of you can just turn your car on and take me to work.
And it avoids all the traffic, stops at the red light, lets pedestrians cross in front of you, knows when a car is changing lanes or not changing lanes.
It's not perfect yet.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And people do things now where they get up beside Teslas and if they think you're on autopilot, they'll like kind of half-swerve in your lane.
Really?
Fuck!
Yeah, Redband was telling me about it.
I think someone did it to him.
And realized like, oh my god, the car just reacts.
Because if he's on the highway, he would just put it on the autopilot.
Which is good for the highway.
And it just stays in the lanes.
tim dillon
Is Tesla your favorite car of your cars?
joe rogan
It's the most impressive.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I love cars just because I love cars that aren't even that fast.
I have like an old Porsche.
It's a 1993 Porsche.
But it's fucking great.
tim dillon
But the Tesla's a really impressive car.
joe rogan
It's way more impressive than anything else that I've ever driven by a long shot.
The 0-60 is 1.9 seconds.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's completely silent inside.
It's very nice.
It's very smooth.
It's great over bumps and shit.
It handles great for essentially a four-door sedan.
It has a great center of gravity because all the batteries are down low.
It's just a marvel.
It's a marvel.
When I drove it today, I was like, Jesus Christ, this thing is like a marvel.
It just...
It just goes.
There's no gears.
It's just one gear, which seems so superior.
Once you get used to it, you're like, oh my god.
When you're used to the acceleration of an electric car, it's instantaneous.
It just goes, and it goes to where you want to go.
unidentified
It just goes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's great.
It's got a lot of nanny things in it.
It recognizes things that aren't really a problem.
unidentified
I hate that.
joe rogan
Like if you're turning down a road and there's a tree in front of you.
A little alarm will go off.
I'm like, I'm not going to hit the tree.
tim dillon
What I like about my car, the Bentley, is that it doesn't care.
So nothing's automatic.
You have to put the lights on.
Everything.
Because they're like, maybe you just killed a hooker.
And you're driving out of a...
There's no lane sensor.
You could go in another lane.
You don't have to signal.
Yeah, it doesn't care.
It's a British gentleman's car.
And a British gentleman can do what he wants.
A Bentley is a car made for a British gentleman.
joe rogan
How quiet is it in there?
tim dillon
It's quiet and it's heavy.
joe rogan
Heavy.
tim dillon
It's heavy and it's quiet.
And it's, you know, it's a beast.
The Flying Spur is a beast, a big sedan.
And it's, you know.
joe rogan
Does it feel smooth when you're driving?
tim dillon
Oh, there's nothing like it.
There's no driving experience like it.
unidentified
In what way?
tim dillon
It's just a smooth, you float.
unidentified
Oh.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's great.
The Teslas are nice, but they're gay.
And it's what it is.
They're, like, not a lot of money.
Anyone can kind of drive them.
Teachers drive them.
It's gross.
But the Bentley, it's just kind of an old-school British gentleman.
It's a British gentleman's car.
You know?
James Bond!
joe rogan
So I have cars that I drive, like the Tesla is a car.
But then what I really love is muscle cars.
tim dillon
Yeah, you love that.
joe rogan
Those are not like- Luxurious.
No.
unidentified
They're tough.
tim dillon
Well, they're just fun.
They're fun.
joe rogan
They're fun.
And they're not practical at all.
tim dillon
And what's your favorite of those?
joe rogan
I don't really have a favorite.
I love them all.
But I have a 1969 Camaro.
tim dillon
That's cool.
joe rogan
And it's all completely redone by this company called Roaster Shop.
It's amazing.
It drives like a modern car.
It's amazing.
The brakes are amazing.
The acceleration is amazing.
But the thing about it that's the most amazing is you're in this thing from 1969 that's been redone and built up like a modern car.
It drives like a modern car.
tim dillon
You're having that experience of somebody like, you know, you're imagining like, you know, being in that car in the prime 1969. Yeah, but it's way better.
It's better.
No, you're experiencing that, but now you have none of the problems that it would have.
joe rogan
God, those cars are terrible.
I've driven one of those cars recently that didn't have anything new on it.
It's terrible.
They're worth so much money.
You can get like an old Barracuda, like a perfect Barracuda, numbers matching.
They're going for a million dollars.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
A million dollars for a car that's terrible to drive.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Do you like boats at all?
joe rogan
I do like boats.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim dillon
I've been getting into speed boats, not getting into them, but watching the races on YouTube.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so crazy.
tim dillon
Some of those Donzie boats, some of those crazy speed boats.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Going fast in the water.
tim dillon
It's scary.
joe rogan
That's a silly way to go flying through the air.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
It's stupid.
tim dillon
But you see those cigarette boats?
Oh, dude, they're nuts.
joe rogan
They catch wind, and they go flying through the air.
I'm like, fuck all of that.
unidentified
Fuck that shit.
tim dillon
Austin has a lot of regular people that live here, like Sandra Bullock and Matthew McConaughey and Elon Musk.
All of your friends are regular people.
You're a regular working class guy around regular people.
You have a very simple life.
joe rogan
Simple needs, bro.
tim dillon
These are simple...
That's the thing.
That's what I like about Austin.
There's a lot of good, salt-to-the-earth people here who are talking about NFTs.
These are the people that you would grow up with.
joe rogan
Have they crashed because of all the stock market crash?
tim dillon
Well, yeah.
I mean, they've crashed, man.
joe rogan
Are they still being bought, though?
tim dillon
The people that are into them now seem a little frantic.
joe rogan
Like the jig is up?
tim dillon
The jig's up a little bit.
People are not...
They're not...
joe rogan
That is a great hustle though, man.
They got people to buy pictures.
tim dillon
It was a great hustle.
joe rogan
For millions.
tim dillon
It'll come back in another form that makes more sense.
It won't be Pets.com.
It'll come back in a way where it's like...
It'll be Amazon where it comes back and you go, oh, I get it now.
But at the moment, it's silly.
And at the moment, I think people are like, fuck this shit.
joe rogan
Well, let me say something, though.
There's levels to it.
And the levels to it where it makes sense is people create digital art.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
And that's like Beeple.
What that Beeple guy does?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's literally putting together a giant gallery.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he actually has, like, physical art.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he made that thing, too.
And then he'll sell that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can have an NFT of that.
Yeah.
You get, like, a whole thing that goes with it.
It's a different sort of...
You're buying art.
tim dillon
There'll be a way to...
Ten years from now, we'll look back and we'll go, oh, that's what it was supposed to be.
Like everything else, in the late 90s, there was this crazy rush to the internet.
But before, there was the infrastructure there and there were these wild companies.
Obviously, Pets.com is the one that everyone talks about.
But there was a lot of these companies, including Amazon, lost like 90% of their value, right?
And some of them died.
And then Amazon came back to be one of the biggest companies in the world, if not the biggest.
So I think eventually what happens is years from now, we will see how all this technology is applied.
And it'll make a lot more sense then.
But as of right now, it's a big mess.
It's a big mess.
There's a lot of criminals.
There's a lot of opportunists.
A lot of fucking desperate people.
There's a whole...
It's a soup of humanity out there trying to figure out what the applications are.
joe rogan
I wonder if it'll ever get to a point where televisions and super high definition televisions are everywhere.
And if someone could have a digital piece of art that's so astounding, and you could only see it on a digital television, And so you would get one, it would be like, oh my god, he's got an original Beeple.
And you can replicate it.
It's like replicating a Frank Frazetta painting.
Like I have a print of a Frank Frazetta painting, but it's not an actual Frank Frazetta painting.
Right.
That's worth a million dollars or more.
Probably more.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But to have an original digital art might be representative to people.
tim dillon
Or to just be in a club, right?
Because that's essentially what that is.
It's like an NFT. It gains you admission into some kind of club.
And it's a flex.
And maybe there's certain live streams you can get into.
Maybe there's certain events you can get into and live events.
The idea, basically, is that...
You have something that has a value to you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And the people that want it.
Just like everything else in the world.
Just like a Ferrari is a value to a guy that can afford a Ferrari but also wants a Ferrari.
Right.
He's got to want it.
And then to him, a Ferrari has more value than anything else in the world.
And he'll pay a million dollars for it.
But to somebody else, maybe that has a million dollars, a guy who don't fucking want a Ferrari.
So it's really that's really what it comes down to.
It's like these things will have a lot of value to the people that they're holders and then other people as well.
But then a lot of people go, yeah, fuck that.
I don't want that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I could see it being a thing where it could be like someone says, look, I have an original Picasso.
I could see it being a thing like that.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Where it's like images on a screen, like maybe it's a number, right?
Maybe the art is based around a number.
Oh, I've got a number one.
Oh my god, is that the number one?
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
And if you had a number one in your house, people would be like, bitch, you don't have number one.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Tim Dillon has number one.
It's in the registry.
tim dillon
Or they go, I'm a member of the JRE whatever.
And that entitles me to whatever.
I get something because I'm a member of this club and I want to be in it and this NFT gives me this Preferred status in this thing that I really like and enjoy.
There's a way to do that, some kind of fan club.
joe rogan
I'm thinking Tim Dillon Nation.
tim dillon
Yeah, that won't get shut down by the feds.
joe rogan
If you have a right-wing radio show someday, it's got to be Tim Dillon Nation.
tim dillon
Dillon Nation?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Tim Dillon Nation.
I could make a lot of money if I went that route.
I think a few years from now I will.
Just move to Florida and go completely insane.
unidentified
Just move to the Keys.
tim dillon
The thing is, when you move to Florida, you got to lose it completely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And all the friends I have that live there, they're all so happy, but they're on the beach screaming about the FBI. So how happy can you be?
But when you move to Florida, you just got to let it go.
Just got to let it fly.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Florida has a long history of chaos.
A long history of chaos, I mean, from the Cubans coming in to the prisoners being released by Castro.
Oh, yeah.
All the Scarface stuff, the Coke days.
It's a cool place.
My good buddy, Steve Graham, he's a good friend of mine, he's an ophthalmologist, and he did his residency in Miami in the 80s.
Wow.
So he was working in the hospitals when people were just coming in with gunshot wounds and...
Cocaine everywhere.
He said it was wild.
tim dillon
It's gotta be insane.
joe rogan
He's got some crazy fucking stories.
It was in the heart of all the chaos.
tim dillon
The heart of it.
joe rogan
And he's working in the emergency room.
tim dillon
Yeah.
I mean, that state is one of those states where it just has that ethos of crazy is tolerated and encouraged.
joe rogan
Well, they had more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else.
tim dillon
They were doing money laundering for blow.
Fuck yeah!
joe rogan
That city was built on coke!
tim dillon
That wild ass city was built on coke.
That's why buildings are collapsing and everything.
joe rogan
Have you seen cocaine cowboys?
tim dillon
Oh yeah.
It's great.
joe rogan
And two, it's just as good.
They're fucking phenomenal.
But when you realize the history of Miami, you're like, holy shit.
tim dillon
It's a wild city.
Wild!
It's wild.
joe rogan
They had one class, a graduating class at the police academy, where the entire class was either murdered or went to jail.
tim dillon
Right.
It's insane.
unidentified
They were all just selling coke!
tim dillon
Right.
It was wild!
joe rogan
Dudes were making millions of dollars and buried in their backyard.
They didn't know what to do.
tim dillon
It was like a no man's land, no laws.
joe rogan
It was chaos.
tim dillon
Chaos.
joe rogan
And that Griselda Blanca.
tim dillon
Griselda Blanca.
Tough bitch.
joe rogan
Craziest, most evil woman that's ever been documented.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
And she lived in Miami?
joe rogan
She lived in Miami, and they exported her, they sent her to prison somewhere, and then she eventually got out, but I think she got killed.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What happened to her?
Did she die recently?
Do you remember?
I think they covered that in Cocaine Cowboys 2. I just haven't watched it in a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that lady was terrifying.
tim dillon
She was no joke.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so scary.
tim dillon
But you know, it's good to have a passion.
She had something that she wanted to deal with.
No one gets to that level that isn't into it.
joe rogan
She was murdered.
Yeah, you know Jennifer Lopez was slated to play her in a movie.
Is that still happening?
And everybody's like, whoa, she's way too hot.
tim dillon
Jennifer Lopez is hot as the sun.
Yeah, you can't have Jennifer Lopez do it.
That's going to take everyone out of it.
joe rogan
Well, it's also like Griselda Bronco wasn't the best looking woman.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It wasn't even anything like that.
tim dillon
No, she was a tough bitch.
It's a different thing.
joe rogan
It's a different thing.
That's crazy.
tim dillon
Completely different.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
It's a bad idea to have J-Lo.
joe rogan
It's like Ryan Gosling playing Andy Dick.
tim dillon
Not a good move.
joe rogan
It doesn't fit.
tim dillon
No.
But I would like to see that movie just with someone else in it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some really good actress that no one knows.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be the way to go with that.
jamie vernon
There's Catherine Zeta-Jones' hair.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Okay, that's better because they made her.
Maybe I'm wrong.
jamie vernon
No, no, you're not wrong, but they were titled the same thing.
joe rogan
Oh, she's hot as fuck, too.
She's too hot.
tim dillon
This woman looks like Artie Lang.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Ah, that's what I'm talking about.
See?
Look at the real Griselda Blanca.
tim dillon
I need to be doing this.
joe rogan
That's the real one.
tim dillon
No, I need to be in this.
joe rogan
We can get Bobby Lee for that part.
tim dillon
I need to be doing that.
Hey, papi.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, she's not a good-looking woman, which is why it's so crazy to have such gorgeous women.
unidentified
You know what it is?
tim dillon
It's so funny.
It's like, that is the thing with Hollywood.
Again, with movies, nobody's going to watch it if she's gross.
That's true.
That's the thing that Hollywood will say.
They're like, we need a hot murderer because no one will watch...
It's very interesting.
They'll be like, yeah, no one will watch it unless...
Somebody.
There's some eye candy.
It's somebody good looking.
joe rogan
It would have to be an independent film, right?
That's right.
Are there big female movie stars that are not attractive at all?
tim dillon
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You get some big women.
You get a few big women.
tim dillon
But it's rare that they like...
jamie vernon
How about when they made this?
They had to make Charlize Theron.
joe rogan
Well, Charlize Theron did it to herself.
That woman's a beast.
That was directed by my friend Patty Jenkins.
tim dillon
That's one of the best movies.
joe rogan
It's a fucking phenomenal movie.
And Charlize Theron killed it, dude.
She killed it.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
I mean that lady, she even looked like her man.
tim dillon
She did a great job.
joe rogan
She assumed her mannerisms.
I mean it's a phenomenal performance.
I mean you think about what she did to her body.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
To be like a top of the food chain gorgeous woman.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And eat yourself into this horrible place.
And then look at what she looked like when she won the Academy Award for it.
I mean that is fucking wild.
And then she gets herself back into shape.
That's incredible.
I mean, people don't know how fucking hard that is to do.
And to do that for a movie, and to nail, like, one of the only documented female serial killers.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
She killed it.
tim dillon
She killed it.
joe rogan
You gotta be a special kind of crazy to be that kid.
tim dillon
J-Lo should gain fucking 100 pounds to become Griselda Blanco.
joe rogan
Well, she's never gonna do that.
jamie vernon
This is an article from 2020, so I don't know.
Yeah.
joe rogan
She will take on a Columbia droid Griselda Blanco in the upcoming film.
No way, man.
Look how hot she is.
unidentified
Get out of here.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That doesn't make sense.
Historically, that's not accurate.
It's like having a Chinese guy play Castro.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
There's no reason for this.
Why are you doing this?
Those are two very different things.
What she is is smoking hot fucking dime.
tim dillon
Yeah, you can't have that as Griselda Blanco.
I don't know.
Maybe she'll kill it.
joe rogan
Maybe it'll be great, but it's not the same story.
unidentified
It's Hollywood.
tim dillon
They'll figure it out.
joe rogan
Part of the story was there was a guy who, you see there's this one dude who's got his arm around her.
That was her boyfriend.
And she had found out that he was fucking around on her.
That was like part of the story.
tim dillon
What did she do to him?
joe rogan
I forget what she did, but she found out he was fucking around on him.
I'm sure it wasn't good.
I don't remember what she did to him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't remember if she took him back or killed the girls.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't remember what she did.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
But she's a scary lady.
tim dillon
I gotta re-watch that, the cocaine cowboy stuff.
joe rogan
It's always good to re-watch that.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fantastic.
Billy Corwin killed it.
She supposedly killed her three husbands.
Oh, Jesus Christ!
tim dillon
Jesus Christ, bro!
joe rogan
She killed three of her husbands.
Oh!
That lady's so evil.
You can't just have...
I mean, she was killing them.
tim dillon
Who killed her?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Some rival.
Recently, right?
jamie vernon
No, it was 2012. Oh, it was?
Unrecent, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess.
Isn't that wild?
That was 10 years ago.
How's that real?
2012 was 10 years ago.
I mean, that's insane.
That's hard to wrap your head around.
I know it makes sense on paper, but what the fuck?
tim dillon
Yeah, it's interesting that she rose to the top and just stayed there.
joe rogan
Dude, she was ruthless.
She was fucking ruthless.
When you talk to the hitmen that were told to carry out certain crimes and what she told them to do.
She was bisexual, said to have orgies with strippers and later have them executed for her own amusement.
tim dillon
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Holy shit.
Imagine making some girl eat your pussy and then shooting her in the head.
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
Or a guy.
joe rogan
She forced men to have sex with her by gunpoint.
She started using her own products.
She became crazier and crazier.
She reportedly gained a lot of weight and started making men and women have sex with her at gunpoint.
tim dillon
Yeah!
unidentified
How am I going to believe that with J.Lo?
tim dillon
Yeah, you cannot believe it with J.Lo.
joe rogan
I am not going to believe that J.Lo is having to force a man at gunpoint to have sex with him.
tim dillon
That makes no sense.
joe rogan
It makes zero sense.
Or a woman, even.
tim dillon
No, it's crazy.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
tim dillon
It makes zero sense.
unidentified
She's too hot.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
I didn't realize she was getting that nuts.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is amazing.
What an amazing quote.
tim dillon
How long did she live?
joe rogan
How come there's no, like, cry from the, uh, you know, women who look like Gisele de Blanco?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Or angry.
tim dillon
Yeah.
No.
Certain people liked her get away with it.
jamie vernon
Supposedly worth two billion when she died.
tim dillon
Holy shit.
I wonder who gets that money.
joe rogan
She was worth two billion dollars when she died?
tim dillon
Holy shit, dude.
Fuck.
joe rogan
How old was she when she died?
unidentified
Uh...
tim dillon
I'm wondering who gets that money.
If anybody.
joe rogan
How old do you think she was when she died?
tim dillon
70?
68?
joe rogan
69. 69. Hell of a run.
tim dillon
Hell of a run!
joe rogan
Hell of a run.
Two Billy in the bank.
tim dillon
What else do you want?
joe rogan
Lots of exes on your gun.
tim dillon
Couple of dead strippers in the driveway.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
You know?
Fucking people at gunpoint.
joe rogan
I mean, that's an incredible run for an evil person.
tim dillon
Oh, of course.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
tim dillon
She did it.
joe rogan
I mean, she made it to the finish line.
tim dillon
She did it big.
joe rogan
And she went out the way she's supposed to go.
tim dillon
She's actually kind of a hero in a weird way of thinking about it.
joe rogan
What way is that?
tim dillon
The way that how many women occupied that position, right?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
Women of color.
Fat women.
Big.
This is huge.
It's a big deal.
It's a big deal.
joe rogan
She certainly, when it comes to evil people that have killed a lot of folks and got away with it, she fucking did it right.
tim dillon
She did it right.
joe rogan
If you want to talk about it that way.
tim dillon
Ruthless.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's crazy that someone could do that, that they could rise that far.
jamie vernon
How she got into jail, too, is a little interesting.
I don't know all the details on this.
I'm just trying to uncover.
tim dillon
But Blanco caught a lucky break.
She was only convicted on three counts of murder.
The DEA suspected that she was involved in over 40. But the Miami-Dade District Attorney's Office became embroiled in a scandal involving three secretaries in the office and one of Blanco's top lieutenants.
So instead of handing her a death sentence, the prosecutor handed in his resignation, and Blanco cut a deal to serve three concurrent 20-year sentences.
After serving her sentence, she was deported back to Columbia in 2004, where she spent the rest of her days.
jamie vernon
She only did like six years.
unidentified
Wow.
tim dillon
It was in like 98 when she was going in, and then they said she was out by 2004, last seen in 2007, and killed in 2012. So it's interesting here, it's some kind of poetic justice that she met in and that she delivered to so many others, said Bruce Bagley, a professor.
She died by the motorcycle drive-by killing.
unidentified
Wow.
Interesting.
joe rogan
But a person like that, when they finally do get it, it's probably like a relief.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, what else is she going to do?
But she had to know it was coming.
tim dillon
She knew it was coming.
joe rogan
She killed so many fucking people.
tim dillon
The last thought in her head was like, oh, that thing that I did.
joe rogan
I invented that.
tim dillon
I invented that.
The chickens come home to roost.
joe rogan
Great strategy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the history of that part of this country, and that was entirely funded by the drug war.
The same thing we're talking about.
The reason why there's so much money for criminals is because drugs are illegal.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
I don't know what the solution, though, is.
Like I said before, honestly, I don't know if legalization would be a giant disaster, and I assume that it would be.
I assume if they just unregulated...
tim dillon
Everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
tim dillon
It's a problem.
joe rogan
It's a problem.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And, like, if you could just sell it anywhere, if we don't...
I mean, what does that look like?
Does that look like drugstores?
Does it look like a prescription?
Does that look like you could just buy it at 7-Eleven?
What does that look like?
Because you can go to...
Doesn't 7-Eleven sell booze?
tim dillon
Yes, but I think what it would look like is approved vendors in certain areas, just like liquor stores and other things, would have to have some type of distance from school or whatever.
But yeah, to your point, I think it is chaotic and the potential for a real problem is great.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that don't even support the idea that the government should control alcohol.
They're like, why are you controlling this?
Why do you have any say in this at all?
As long as we're not selling something that's a fraud, why are there so many hoops that someone has to jump through to sell alcohol?
Why do I have to get your approval?
Isn't it legal?
If it's legal, why can't everybody sell alcohol?
Why can't you just open up Tim Dillon's beer and just start selling beer?
Why do I need to go through a bunch of hoops and shit?
Do you want to make sure that I'm doing it right?
Is that what it is?
Or do you just want a piece of the pie?
tim dillon
They want a piece of the action.
joe rogan
They want a piece of the pie.
Dillon, you want to do fucking business in this town?
tim dillon
That's also part of why things are the way they are.
You know, life is too short in many cases.
There's so much of this that just, it's not changing in our run.
joe rogan
What do you think about the government installing 87,000 new IRS agents?
tim dillon
Oh, well, I mean, you know, what are you going to do?
You know?
You got to pay your taxes.
I pay, you know?
joe rogan
I pay, too.
tim dillon
Well, pay your taxes.
joe rogan
But it's just like, isn't that a lot of money?
tim dillon
They need money.
joe rogan
Don't we?
tim dillon
They need money.
So they're going to hunt.
They're going to come after everybody.
And you know, there's a lot of money that's moved offshore.
joe rogan
Is that what they're going to chase?
Do you think they're going to chase that?
Or do you think they're going to chase middle class?
tim dillon
They're going to chase somebody sending someone on Venmo.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
They're not going to chase these billionaires because they know the tax loopholes better than anyone.
The flat tax always made a lot of sense to me.
25% of everything move on.
That always made a lot of sense.
Whether you make 20 grand a year or 20 million, 25% flat tax or something like that, 20%, whatever it is, 20%, whatever it is, flat tax.
But then you go, okay, if you do that, then what happens to all these accountants and the big accounting firms and all that whole entire sector of the economy that's run based on how complicated our tax code is?
And then you start to realize, oh shit, like Thomas Sowell said, there's really no solutions, there's only trade-offs.
Because no matter what you do, you're going to create other problems by doing it.
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
tim dillon
You're going to lay off all these people whose entire career is spent on analyzing this arcane and very complex tax code.
They're not going to have a...
Now, that doesn't mean that the ends don't justify the means or that it isn't a greater benefit, but all of these things become kind of a racket.
It's just a racket.
And if you come in and get rid of the racket, people are going to go, hey man, what the fuck?
It's why the entertainment business, it's like a racket.
Why are there like when you go to a movie set, there's like 30 people standing around doing nothing?
It's a racket.
All of those people have jobs that are supposedly necessary.
But now you can take a phone and film something and have more people see it than a television show that they put millions and millions of dollars into.
But it's just a racket.
joe rogan
If they just did a 25% flat tax, how much money would they lose?
Because 25% seems like a lot.
Okay, like sales tax, there's so many different taxes, right?
tim dillon
I mean on income.
joe rogan
Right, but if someone's just spending, if the only tax you had is 25% of your income, that's it.
tim dillon
Well, no, there'd be sales, there'd be other taxes.
I just mean on your income.
joe rogan
Why are sales taxes a thing?
Explain that.
If the corporation is paying taxes on the money that they make, and you're paying taxes on the money that you spend, why is there an additional tax whenever you want to use your money?
tim dillon
Oh, it's a racket.
joe rogan
And it's a lot of money.
unidentified
It's a goddamn racket.
joe rogan
It's not a small amount of money.
tim dillon
Oh, no.
joe rogan
What is sales tax?
tim dillon
It's just criminal.
It's criminal activity.
It's a racket.
joe rogan
What's sales tax here in Texas?
tim dillon
8%?
joe rogan
Texas at least doesn't have state tax.
jamie vernon
6.25, but it depends on exactly what it is.
joe rogan
6.25.
tim dillon
Yeah, Texas is good.
It doesn't have a state income.
joe rogan
So what's the worst state in terms of state income tax?
tim dillon
New York and California are both very bad.
joe rogan
But I mean, I meant sales tax.
I'm sorry.
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Do you know, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'm looking right now.
California.
Well, see, it depends on what it is.
Right now, I'm looking at math that says Texas is 8.19%.
joe rogan
That sucks.
jamie vernon
That's a combined state.
tim dillon
Well, Texas has got to run their state, so if they don't have income, if they don't have an income tax, they've got to have high property taxes.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is, wouldn't it be super simple if it was only you get taxed on income?
tim dillon
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Because the money's going to go to people anyway.
The money is going to go to taxes anyway.
Because that money is like, if you're making money, and you're paying taxes on your money, and then you're spending that money, and the person who earns that money is also paying taxes, why is there tax in the exchange?
tim dillon
I think that Portland, it looks like, doesn't have one.
Oregon.
jamie vernon
It's a county thing, too, also.
tim dillon
Oregon doesn't have it, so we're going to Portland.
joe rogan
So two places don't have sales tax.
tim dillon
Let's move to Portland.
joe rogan
Is that Wyoming?
jamie vernon
Montana.
joe rogan
It's Montana?
Montana doesn't have sales tax?
jamie vernon
There's a lot of people there to collect from.
joe rogan
There's more people now because of Yellowstone.
tim dillon
Do you think you'll do a big ranch eventually?
joe rogan
Sometime, yeah.
tim dillon
Like a big Wyoming type of ranch?
joe rogan
I might have to.
tim dillon
That might be amazing.
joe rogan
That might be the move.
tim dillon
Pretty sick.
joe rogan
I'm gonna need my own water.
tim dillon
Like a Montana, like a crazy ranch.
You see the show Yellowstone?
Yeah, I love it.
joe rogan
It was good till like season three.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim dillon
I watched season four on a plane and it was fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe season four.
One of the seasons.
It drops off.
It was like an episode where you're like, who wrote this?
tim dillon
What was the episode?
joe rogan
I forgot.
It's just...
tim dillon
Crazy.
joe rogan
I don't want to criticize the show because I like it.
tim dillon
It's a fun show, but I think that seeing you do a thing like that would be cool.
I almost think of buying property out there.
It's going up in value intensely.
joe rogan
Well, people are trying to escape from urban environments when they realize that remote work was a possibility.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
That's the thing that's interesting to me, where these corporations are pushing back against remote work.
Did you guys operate just fine while everybody was working at home?
Why do you want people back in the office?
tim dillon
Yeah, I don't know why that is.
I would think that because they could save money on real estate, they wouldn't.
Want people back.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think a little bit of it is that to control employees better, you want to be around them.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Like, all of the weird office politics evaporate.
They go away.
They go away if it's a Zoom thing.
That's right.
You might be annoyed by that person when you have to interact with them.
Like, oh, it's him again.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But you're not around them all day.
tim dillon
Strange.
You're at home.
It's strange that they want people back.
joe rogan
You're at home.
Any time you do, you just get up and do whatever you want.
And then they're developing apps that people are installing on their computer and they're getting busted for it.
Because they have these apps that move the cursor around.
Because these people are tracking your keys and making sure you work in some organizations if you're working remotely.
It's crazy.
It's not as simple as, oh, I'll get all my work done on my own time at home.
No.
They want you in front of your computer, and they want to make sure you're using your computer.
So people are using these apps that move your key around.
unidentified
Jeez!
joe rogan
They move your cursor around and click on things.
tim dillon
To make sure that you're working.
joe rogan
I think it's a cursor.
All I have to do is move your cursor.
See if you can find that.
Is that it?
jamie vernon
No, no, I'm sorry.
You're right.
joe rogan
Oh, is it?
What is it?
It's a cursor?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like this little mouse thing that just drags your mouse around.
joe rogan
So it just shows to the person that is tracking you that you're actually sitting at your desk moving stuff around.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
That makes no sense.
But yeah, I guess they're just like people are working an hour a day, and we don't want to pay them.
joe rogan
I think that's exactly what's happening.
But I think there's a lot of people that are in offices that are fucking off and playing Wordle.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah!
joe rogan
It's all day long.
tim dillon
But at least they're fucking off in front of us.
Yeah, because if you're sitting- That's why you have a manager.
Then what do you do with the manager?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tim dillon
Right.
So it's like, this is part of the thing.
It's like, get rid of something, then what do you do with all these people whose job is to enforce the rules.
What do you do with that?
joe rogan
In the old days, the manager used to always try to bang a secretary.
tim dillon
Yeah.
unidentified
It's normal.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they did.
Right.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That's what they did.
tim dillon
That's why the managers were there.
joe rogan
They all did it.
And now you can't do it anymore.
tim dillon
Can't do it.
joe rogan
It's interesting, right?
tim dillon
It's very interesting.
joe rogan
That whole environment, that whole work.
I mean, it's the fucking oldest trope ever.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
The boss bangs his secretary.
How many times have you heard that one?
tim dillon
It's over now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Well, thank God this worked because I don't know what- Thank God we don't have to work in that environment because it's like the things we would say, we would just- I just am thankful that I don't have to walk into an office and have to- Participate in that because I did it for years, but like that fake phony bullshit culture of like, hello and good to see you.
joe rogan
It's so bad for your head.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have to do it all day long.
You're not free until you get out of there.
tim dillon
And it really just is exhausting to do and I'm happy I don't have to do that.
joe rogan
Oh, thank God.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You went through it.
I unfortunately never had an office job.
I had a lot of shitty jobs, but there were never any office jobs.
tim dillon
I went through it.
I went through the fake, nice, hi, hey.
joe rogan
Dude.
tim dillon
I went through people pulling you aside, telling you all their problems with another person.
You have nothing to do with it.
And they're like, you know, this is how Chuck fucked me on this.
He promised me this.
I didn't get it.
And you're standing there going, oh yeah, that's unfortunate.
And you have nothing to do with any of it.
That's what a lot of it is.
You're just wasting time getting up.
I'll go to the bathroom.
You take a loop around the aisle.
You walk around the office one way.
I'll take the long way because you don't have anything to do.
You got to look busy.
Taking files out of your desk.
Oh, let me call these people.
A lot of it's looking busy.
A lot of it's fucking, oh, lunch.
Finally, the one part of the day I can fucking leave.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
You know?
Oh, I smoke a cigarette in a parking lot and feel like a human being and then you have to go back and you're like, fuck, we're back, you know?
joe rogan
It's a prison for people.
tim dillon
It is.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
It's a prison.
It's a prison.
And people get stuck in it and they don't know what the fuck to do and they can't get out of it because now they bought a bunch of shit.
tim dillon
And the game for most people is to make your life as good as you can outside of there so that you go, fuck it.
Like, I have a great family and this is for them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Providing for them, and I go on vacation, and we enjoy it, and I make my house nice, and I enjoy being in my house.
Because most people, when you go into an environment like that, you're losing all sense of who you are.
You have to mold into this dumb corporate...
Corporations are always kind of...
Corralling you into these things and like, you know, that's why they do all the corporate events.
joe rogan
It's so unnatural.
So unnatural for people to not just interact that way and be stuck inside all day like that, but also to like exist in this fucking culture where everybody's full of shit all day agreeing that they're all full of shit.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah, and it's just part of a part of what it is and like I did it for a while, but I was in a sales office.
We had a little more freedom, but it's still the same type of office where a lot of it is based on these weird relationships where you're kind of like, okay, we're here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
We're all just here and we all have to find something about each other we can tolerate.
joe rogan
Yeah, and sometimes it's just not gonna happen.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sometimes you're stuck with people day in day out.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
That annoy the fuck out of you.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Want you to believe their politics, want you to listen to their fucking justifications for things.
unidentified
That's right.
tim dillon
Thank God.
Thank God we don't have to do that.
joe rogan
Thank God.
tim dillon
Thank God.
joe rogan
But I knew I never could.
I always thought I was destined to be a fucking loser because I couldn't keep a job.
I had zero ambition to have a job in an office somewhere.
tim dillon
Well, you wanted to escape, as Andrew Tate would say, to escape the matrix.
You know?
You did it.
If you can do it, you can do it.
Not everyone can do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I didn't think I was doing it.
That's my point is that I wasn't doing it saying I'm escaping the matrix.
I was thinking I'm such a fucking loser.
I can't discipline myself enough to have a job like all these other people who I'm seeing succeeding.
I can't do it.
tim dillon
Well, there's a real value now to being...
For the vast majority of my childhood, the value was in being a conformist to conforming.
And that was where the money was, and that was where the security was, and that's where your good social life was.
Now...
Being a non-conformist and going out and doing your own thing and being a self-starter and being independent and being able to collaborate with people you want, like that, the value now is there.
It's not going into these faceless institutions where you get lost in them.
It's being your own thing, no matter what you do.
It's being your own thing.
That's a massive change from when I grew up and everything was brand names and the right school and the right neighborhood and the right country club or the right whatever.
Now, being independent and creating your own world is certainly, you know, desirable, much more so than falling into like some nameless corporation and becoming like a number.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just people have this path that's carved in front of them by their father and their uncles and all these other people that are around them that have done reasonably well for themselves.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they think this is the only route.
And if you don't follow that route, your parents will get mad at you.
But I think there's a lot of different routes out there now.
unidentified
There is.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people doing something they didn't want to do, and it got taken away from them.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And then they realized, oh my god, I was spending all my time doing something I didn't want to do, and now it's gone through no fault of my own.
tim dillon
And that's why service sucks now.
You call to get room service, they're not there for two hours, someone's writing a play.
It's like, hey, let's fucking get the mozzarella sticks, cut it out.
Not everyone is meant to do...
Some people, it does make more sense to Conform because it's who they are and their greatest joys in life are not monetizable, right?
So a lot of people go, I really enjoy things I can't make money off of.
So they go, I got to go do something I can make money off of so that I can go enjoy those other things where I can't make money.
There's nothing wrong with that either.
But now more and more, I think people are going, can I make money off what I enjoy doing?
Is there an audience?
Is there a market?
Do people want to buy something that I can...
Can I make money off what I enjoy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that's happening more and more.
And that's a good thing.
It's like, not all jobs are bad either.
There's a lot of people that have jobs they really enjoy.
They have great people they work with.
They're having a great time.
But the office thing always scared the shit out of me.
Being trapped in this fucking cubicle.
Being told what you can and can't do.
tim dillon
Well, you're a part of a...
You're part of this organism that everyone's on the same page.
It's kind of like North Korea.
You all are like, this is the way we do things.
This is our way.
The other ways are wrong.
This is the way we treat each other.
This is the way we interact.
The other ways are wrong.
If you joke around a certain way, that is wrong.
You were to do...
There's all this approved corporate humor where the VP will get up and say something really dumb and you're at the conference and you have to go, oh, he's fucking hilarious.
But he's not.
And everyone knows he's not.
But it's just, it is that type of...
Totalitarian structure that some people can really thrive in and then work their way up.
And that's a lot of the thing with comedy now is a lot of people that have writer's jobs or work in the business.
A lot of them are very good at office politics and a lot of them are very good at maneuvering.
And a lot of the really funny people who are fucking lunatics who aren't good at any of that shit are shut out or they're not able to, you know, some of the funniest people you'll meet will never have careers because they just can't.
For whatever reason, figure out a way to approach it in a professional manner.
But they're fucking hilarious.
Some of the funniest people that I meet or I've met or I've seen at open mics, I'm just like, that guy's genuinely kind of crazy.
But he's just a little too crazy.
You've got to be in the zone of crazy where you go, oh, that still can treat this like a job.
And some people are just a little...
Out there where they can't do it.
joe rogan
Well, some people just don't have a good grip on reality.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And they say funny things, but then everything else is chaos.
tim dillon
Everything else is chaos, and everything can't be chaos.
joe rogan
Sometimes you just have a sense of things that are funny, and you know how to do it, and you have enough crazy to be able to go up there and deliver it correctly.
tim dillon
Yeah, or you can work and treat people decently, and you're not a lunatic who will start problems.
There's all these interpersonal...
You've got to have business relationships with people, and they have to be good.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have to be good.
You know?
unidentified
It's...
joe rogan
I mean, imagine being a manager of a fucking office and then imagine everybody just working from home now.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you have to monitor their keystrokes and make sure that they're moving their cursor around.
tim dillon
I guess you want them back in.
You want them under that boot.
joe rogan
So that must mean that they have access to what websites they use and shit on their company computer.
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It must be, right?
tim dillon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because the thing was like, this woman got in trouble because she installed it on a computer that was a work computer.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And that's how they figured it out.
tim dillon
Yeah.
Well, it's weird.
These are the challenges going forward because I think a lot more of the workforce will probably work remotely for a portion of the week.
joe rogan
But why don't they just give you a workload and then you do it whenever the fuck you want when you're home?
Wouldn't that be better?
tim dillon
People, I guess.
joe rogan
I don't know what the job is, so maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it doesn't work that way.
Maybe you're monitoring things, so you have a specific time you're supposed to be working on projects that are happening in real time.
tim dillon
Are people more productive at home?
That's the real question.
And I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, it's definitely productive in that you don't have to get in traffic.
It's definitely productive, like all that time.
tim dillon
But you're a very evolved person.
You're thinking of it like most people, if they're not told to put on clothes or to do, they won't do it.
So a lot of people just need that push to just actually...
I don't know how productive it is.
If you're sitting on your couch, you don't have to go anywhere.
I mean, some people, these people that work at tech companies kind of know how to do it, but like, I don't know.
I think also for your social life, Just to get out of your house, to meet people, to function in society, there might be benefits to not working exclusively from your home.
joe rogan
Definitely benefits in isolation.
tim dillon
Also, some people live with roommates, and they're like, I want to get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
So that's another problem, especially in cities like New York or San Fran or LA. Even Austin's not cheap.
Some people go, yeah, I live with two people.
I can't work, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
So now you're in your room.
So now it's not even your apartment, it's like you have to work from your room, so it's weird.
joe rogan
I didn't even consider that, but that is definitely a consideration, too.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
But also, some people just want a choice.
Like, just give me a workload.
Let me be able to do it at home.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But I get the idea of, like, if you've got employees that were shifty already, and then all of a sudden they're working from home, like, why isn't this project on my desk?
How many finish this?
tim dillon
All work essentially could be from home if you weren't in a customer service position where people were coming up to you.
If they were not in your physical presence, anything could be done from home.
The reality is, I don't know how...
Now, maybe there are studies that say it's more productive.
I don't know.
But if these companies want people to come back to commercial real estate that they're paying for, it's not because they're more productive.
They're probably saying, we want them back so that we can crack the whip.
Because otherwise they would just say fuck it.
We don't need this $50,000 a month lease on this office.
Fuck it.
joe rogan
That's the big one.
It's the bubble.
The big bubble.
I mean if you look around at how many places are for lease.
tim dillon
Oh tons.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tim dillon
Commercial real estate.
joe rogan
So much.
It's everywhere.
It's all over the place.
And I think you think about how many restaurants and small shops went under during the pandemic.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was a big fucking number.
tim dillon
So many.
joe rogan
All those places are available.
tim dillon
All of them.
joe rogan
I'm sure some of them have been taken up by new businesses.
tim dillon
There's a lot of people that are going to open, I think hopefully will eventually take advantage of that.
joe rogan
Do you think that people are going to learn their lesson from this, though, in terms of not locking down the economy again?
tim dillon
I don't think they'll lock it down again.
Here's what I don't think.
I don't think people learn lessons.
This is something I believe.
I don't believe that lessons are learned ever.
We have really short memories.
People will forget.
I don't know if we'll get another pandemic again that'll require the type of intense focus and energy.
We easily could, though.
joe rogan
We easily could.
tim dillon
We absolutely could.
But I think it'll go back.
Again, this became this weird political football kind of almost from the beginning.
It was not a mature country looking at this, going, what the fuck's going on?
It was a lot of people fighting for power, relevance, and there were a lot of people using all these things politically for their own purposes.
Will that stop?
I don't know.
That's a big and much larger question.
Like, will any...
Whether it's a pandemic or a war or anything, will there be any point in our country where we can look at a problem and not make it this political firestorm where there's winners and losers?
Will we ever be able to collectively evaluate a problem and tackle it?
Without retreating into these ideological camps, I don't know.
joe rogan
That would be the only way to get us out of this.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
If we ever realized that the problems that we have with issues are far smaller than the problems where we or the issues that we agree on.
Like everybody agrees we have to have less crime.
Everybody agrees that we have to have more education.
Everybody agrees that we have to have safer streets and safer cities.
Everybody agrees that.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
And the things that we disagree on, will people disagree on how to make those things a reality, though?
How do you have less crime?
Is it by letting people out of jail?
tim dillon
Us being divided helps.
It helps people who want to just continually operate in the system as it's constructed.
And whether that is The system of perpetual war or the system of the banking sector, the dominance of the financial sector, or the system is tech companies set up to have these political relationships, how they're presently constituted.
People who are thriving in this system and using it to their ends do not want it changed.
And people hating each other helps them.
joe rogan
It definitely does.
Do you think that that's just human nature, and just doing it while this is happening, or do you think it's orchestrated?
This is the question, right?
Is the dissent, and is some of it...
We know it's manipulated by other countries.
We know that China does it.
We know that they have these huge Russian organizations that...
They're troll farms.
We know that that's going on.
The idea that we wouldn't do that to ourselves If we were trying to get people riled up about each other.
tim dillon
To an extent, it's probably an inherent flaw in democracy, but I'm glad I lived in one and I'm glad I lived in the time I did.
But I do think, you know, a democracy kind of descends probably into an oligarchy eventually.
The vast majority of the citizens go, I don't want the responsibility of citizenship.
So a few really highly motivated psychopaths go, we'll handle it.
We'll take it from here.
And then those people are fighting over their own interests.
Constantly?
joe rogan
Do you think it should be illegal to pretend to represent a human being when you're a corporation that is promoting your own needs?
So do you think that like a corporation that hires Whether it's a foreign corporation, let's say it's a foreign one, so it's not connected to us, that hires a company to propagandize about a specific political issue that's going to be a hot button target.
And they do it as a bunch of people that attack people and go after people with dissenting opinions and quote tweet them and attack them.
And you find out it's not even a real person.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That should be illegal.
That seems to me like if we're allowing that in this country.
tim dillon
Oh yeah.
But we'll continue to allow anyone with enough money.
joe rogan
But don't you think that that thing right there, just that, that's insidious.
Pretending you're a person for a specific propaganda game and having it like a thousand accounts and you're running it through computers and you've got people responding to things, you've got people that are just retweeting things and posting things and it's all just propaganda.
tim dillon
It's insane that the Congress, the Congress members who Went and started trading stocks based on the knowledge of how bad coronavirus was still have jobs, right?
All of this is kind of insane.
We're just at peak insanity here, and there's, you know, I mean...
joe rogan
Are we at the peak?
tim dillon
I don't know if we're at the peak, but we're close to it.
Like, I do believe with the way things are going, and you're looking at...
Some really crazy trends.
And I don't know when they come to a conclusion and if they do without something, you know, a war or some violent or whatever.
But like it is just, you know, we're living in a time now where we all know everything's fucked, but we're mostly powerless to change it.
And that's when societies start to decay past a point.
And everybody just kind of sits back and watches it like a show.
And it just descends into eventually something that becomes more and more unmanageable.
And then either a strongman dictator type comes in.
Or there's some massive war that resets things or there's some natural disaster.
But it feels like we're kind of at that point, you know?
That's why I'm glad we lived in the era that we lived.
And that's, we really should just be happy.
We should be really happy.
We should go, it's nice that we got the run we did because it's not getting better.
I mean, or maybe it will, and God bless.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, I remember reading about the fall of the Roman Empire and the fall of the Greek Empire, and then I was thinking about America.
And I was like, is this thing going to go away someday?
tim dillon
Right, right.
joe rogan
Is that possible?
Is it possible that this is just one...
I mean, we want to think it's fucking permanent, but I bet the people of Rome felt the same way.
tim dillon
Of course they can.
joe rogan
This is how it is.
This is how I live every day.
This is not going to change.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And Russians know.
tim dillon
They know.
joe rogan
They know.
They've been through it.
tim dillon
Our society will go down.
Nothing will ever be funnier.
America will come apart in one of the funniest ways.
All of these people, these grifters, everybody circling the wagons, the Caitlyn Jenners, the Donald Trumps.
It'll be funny.
You'll die laughing.
Literally, you'll die, but you will be laughing.
It will be the most absurd and insane thing.
It will be out of...
Fucking dystopian horror movie and it won't be funnier than America because we're a crazy country full of crazy people and everybody's just trying to suck the last few dollars out of this bloated pig corpse of an empire before the end.
And I'm no different.
Watch my special and subscribe to my podcast.
What am I going to fucking sit here?
What am I going to go preach on a fucking mountain?
We got to make a little money here.
But make no mistake, I mean, if I'm wrong, and I'd love to be wrong, but if your attitude or your idea is that the population's going to get smarter, healthier, and more adept at problem solving, you're on fucking crack.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, probably.
You're probably right.
Yeah.
Well, what happens next?
Do you think we ever descend into some sort of CCP-controlled world, like that kind of totalitarian government?
tim dillon
Do you think it's possible that through technology and just through people just falling apart, losing their fucking minds, thinking it's the right thing to do- I think what happens next is we'll just have these giant oscillating swings between right and left, and then I think eventually it'll get to a point where large areas in the country are unlivable for a myriad of reasons, perhaps crime or homelessness, climate, whatever.
Very Well-off or well-connected people will have these kind of enclaves.
This is already happening.
And then there'll be a fight to be in one of those two groups.
And then eventually a dictator, a strong mess, somewhere down the line, some man or woman will come in and go, this system's fucked.
I am going to run things, and they will run things in a way, and it probably won't be for the best, but the system will collapse.
But I don't know if we'll see it, but it will collapse.
There's no way it doesn't.
It will collapse to a degree.
And someone will come in and go, yeah, these elections are all fake and it doesn't matter anyway.
Why do you fuckers need to vote?
Here's a coupon for a chicken sandwich.
And people go, I like chicken.
And then, you know, people just go, fuck it.
They don't care.
And then you go, there'll be Netflix.
And there'll be dominoes and you'll sit in your house and they'll say, well, you can't drive today because of the climate.
And people go, yeah, it's Tuesday.
Can't get in my car because of climate.
And you'll sit there and they'll give you, they'll feed you poison and you'll watch TV. And a few people will riot, but very few because most people will be pacified by the goodies, which they'll still probably have.
And, you know, the leader will come on and tell, like, well, they'll be like, hello, everyone.
And you'll go, hey, hey, hey, hey.
And it'll be a celebrity.
It'll be someone you know.
It'll be someone you're very familiar with.
And they'll say a couple of things and be like, it's not that bad, is it?
And they go, no, it's not that bad.
And they'll feed you the propaganda and you won't remember when you were free and you won't remember.
And most people will be fine with that, but me and you will be dead.
And it won't matter.
You know?
And we'll have experienced the best of it.
We'll remember when you could get in a car without a tracking device.
We'll remember when you didn't have a fucking tracking device attached to you at all times.
We'll remember when you could say what the fuck you want, alienate people, piss them off, and no one really cared and it didn't matter because you could wake up the next day and say, sorry I was drunk and it wasn't on fucking Twitter.
People didn't have a record of what you did and what you said and where you were and who you fucked and everything else.
We will remember True Freedom.
We're one of the last groups of people, It's coming.
unidentified
Ha!
tim dillon
It's coming and it's going to be so bad it won't even feel bad.
But we'll be like, shit, remember when you could do all those things you can't do anymore.
But, you know, and there'll be a few people that remember it.
And then they'll take all those books about that shit and burn the fuck out of them.
They'll go, well, those aren't good.
Racism, homophobia.
Burn, burn, burn.
And people will forget when you could, we're free.
And they will just kind of create a society based on goodies.
Little goodies, little rewards, and the addiction to celebrity, where our leaders will all be celebrities who will tell you on closed-circuit television how good things are going.
And you'll go, good, thanks.
That's what's gonna happen.
joe rogan
That was one of the best rants I've ever heard in my life.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was fantastic.
I hope you're wrong.
tim dillon
I hope I'm wrong, or if I'm right, I just hope that I'm dead.
Or I get to be one of the people who's keeping everyone else in the cage.
They'll need a jester.
They'll need a clown.
joe rogan
They could toss society on its head right now.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
If they went to a digital currency and said we're going to have an even distribution of wealth.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the way to solve the inequities of society is an even distribution of all the wealth.
So they would just take all the wealth from all the powerful people.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
So then they wouldn't have We don't have any wealth anymore.
So they wouldn't have any ability to rise against the government.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you wanted to live in like a total technocratic dictatorship where the technology completely dominates it from the top down, we're going there.
We're headed there.
We're more headed there than any other direction.
tim dillon
That's why we laugh at NFTs, but these are the little goodies and the treats, and look at the thing, look at the shiny thing you're being given.
joe rogan
But I mean, what's the solution to that?
It seems like it's going in this general direction no matter what we do.
It's like we're headed down a snow-covered hill in a fucking toboggan.
tim dillon
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And we're going there.
So what does that mean?
What does that mean?
I mean, does it mean that there is a decentralized world?
Because it gets so powerful that no one can really control it and that the people involved in the organization have too much power to say whether or not things are openly and freely distributed.
Like, is that the bottleneck, ultimately?
That when we get to a certain point where technology becomes so fucking advanced that it's basically everything is integrated with everything.
You can't hide anything from anybody.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And everybody has access to all the information.
And then the problem with that is, like, what about people that want to, like, Hold on to things physically.
What about people that want like actual physical wealth?
Yeah Like is that what we're gonna have like is all your money gonna be in stuff now?
Yeah You have to have gold bars in your house again now because digital money might not mean anything anymore It might get to a certain point where it's just distribution of resources.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
We when that's when we're losing genders and that's everything We're gonna fucking have giant heads and we're all gonna be like moving through space and time.
This is all coming.
It's coming It's coming We're all gonna jump right on board, too, because they're gonna come up with something, whether it's Neuralink or something else, that just makes life way better.
They're gonna give you this chip.
They're gonna put something in.
You're always happy.
There's no more war, because everybody loves everybody.
You're much smarter than you used to be.
You get access to information constantly.
You have, like, error correction software built in.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's going to be wonderful.
You're going to have a much, much, much, much, much better life.
You're going to laugh at those people with no chips.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
Just like we laughed at people that didn't have shoes.
tim dillon
That's why it's hard to get too worked up or upset about it because the reality is certain ideas just have a weird inertia to them that will happen anyway.
joe rogan
They happen from the moment the first caveman knocked on Flint.
From that barefoot caveman just knocking rocks together.
That's right.
And it kept getting better and better and better, and now it's achieved escape velocity.
It's achieved this chaos of the combination of materialism, because everybody's obsessed with phones, everybody's obsessed with new things.
tim dillon
Fame and money.
joe rogan
But no, you're buying new and new stuff.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
And they keep making better...
And what's it going to do?
It's going to be more...
You're going to be more integrated.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
More integrated in the internet.
tim dillon
But we can't worry about it.
joe rogan
You're not gonna stop it.
tim dillon
You won't stop it.
joe rogan
It seems like a thing that the human animal does.
tim dillon
It's what we do up until we hit that zenith point, when maybe the meteor hits, it all goes away, and then a couple years later, people build it back up.
joe rogan
Or we become those things that we see flying around the sky.
tim dillon
That could happen, too.
joe rogan
I think that's the future.
I think what we're seeing is like what a civilization looks like when it gets past what we're at.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I think.
I think we're looking at us right now as if like this is the most sophisticated thing ever because it is for this place.
tim dillon
That's true.
joe rogan
But we look back at like our caveman.
tim dillon
And we're like, this is ridiculous.
joe rogan
Imagine living like that.
But this is just what we're going to look at this like.
tim dillon
Once we find a way to travel intergalactically, that's the move.
joe rogan
We're gonna realize, like, all the problems that people had are instantaneously solvable.
All the chaos in our lives, all the war and death and murder and chaos and horrific things that happen, all that can erase with technology.
That's what's gonna be scary.
unidentified
That's gonna be scary.
joe rogan
Because we're not gonna be people anymore.
tim dillon
Yeah, but, you know, maybe we've been people long enough.
joe rogan
I think it's our future.
I don't think there's a thing we're going to do to stop it.
I think that's our future.
tim dillon
I think you're probably right.
joe rogan
I think it can't go in any other direction unless the volcano blows.
Unless asteroid hits, volcano blows.
tim dillon
All possibilities.
joe rogan
100%.
And likely too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Yellowstone one freaks me out.
tim dillon
The super volcano?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's due.
That could, like, they don't know when.
They say like every six to eight hundred thousand years, it blows up.
And it's past two.
Yeah, it's past two.
So it could easily happen a thousand years from now, a hundred thousand years from now?
tim dillon
Or never.
joe rogan
Or tomorrow.
unidentified
Or tomorrow.
joe rogan
Tomorrow.
It could be thousands of earthquakes.
They have thousands of earthquakes there every year, by the way.
tim dillon
But that's why you can't worry about anything.
joe rogan
Can't worry about anything.
tim dillon
That's why you really can't worry too much about anything.
joe rogan
What is that quote that I used the other day that someone said?
The problem...
I forget who was talking about this, but they were talking about anxiety.
And it's humans' ability to problem solve in the future.
And that it becomes a problem.
Because you start thinking about potential problems instead of just living in the moment.
And people are always thinking about, oh my god, what if this happens?
What if that happens?
And they develop problems in the future so they don't get surprised by it.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
So it's a little trap that your mind plays.
tim dillon
What we're doing here is amazing.
The idea that we can talk to people.
You know, in this way versus, you know, what we would have had to do to reach people even really 20 years ago.
Like, which is nothing.
15 years ago.
Like, nothing in terms of the time in all of history.
It's such a short amount of time.
It's an infinitesimal.
It barely registers.
And this massive, massive fucking technological innovation that has happened in that short amount of time...
That's revolutionized the world completely.
That can happen in biotech.
Our trip to becoming non-human may not take as long as we think.
It might be pretty fucking quick.
unidentified
I don't think it takes that long at all.
joe rogan
I think it's going to be real quick.
I think once we adopt the first devices, And those devices make life way easier for the people that have them.
It's gonna be expensive, right?
Probably?
And then you would think that the people that have the money are gonna get a giant advantage by having it because it really does increase the bandwidth to access to information and you could be much more productive.
Like the way Elon was describing it, it's like you're gonna supercharge your mind ultimately.
Initially they're gonna use it for people with injuries, spinal cord injuries and medical problems and they're gonna be able to Somehow or another activate areas of the spot, which is wild shit in and of itself.
But if then you make it a fucking super person, like, you're literally gonna make an Iron Man?
tim dillon
Like, what are we doing here?
joe rogan
What are we doing?
And where does it go from there?
Because once they start using CRISPR on people, you know the Chinese story?
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
Oh, this is a good one.
CRISPR? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what CRISPR is?
CRISPR is genetic engineering.
Oh, okay.
It's a genetic...
There's a technology...
Blue eyes, brown eyes, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's...
Initially, they were using it...
They were trying to see if it could be used to eliminate genes that cause certain diseases.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
And so...
This is what they did in China.
They said they were inoculating these children for HIV. Ooh!
So now they can't get...
It just, by happenstance, made them much smarter.
Right.
It increased their IQ substantially.
tim dillon
Interesting.
joe rogan
And I think they put the doctor in jail after it was over.
tim dillon
Amazing.
joe rogan
The Chinese were like, we didn't have anything to do with that.
This man's a criminal.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
See if that's the case.
I don't think I'm fucking that up too bad.
I probably am a little.
But the story was that they were supposed to be giving them some sort of inoculation for HIV. What CRISPR baby prison sentences mean for research?
Chinese court sends strong signal by punishing He, Jiang, Kui, and two colleagues.
I was like, what did they do?
It's a biophysicist who announced that he had created the world's first gene-edited babies to three years in prison.
They sentenced him for illegal medical practice and handed down shorter sentences to two colleagues who assisted him.
The punishments put to rest speculation over whether the Chinese government would bring criminal charges for an act that shocked the world and are likely to deter others from similar behaviors, says Chinese scientists.
By the way, this thing that shocked the world, they're going to do it on all babies.
It's going to take time, but they're going to do it on all babies.
Right.
Because why wouldn't you do it?
tim dillon
To make them smarter.
joe rogan
Well, what if you found out your baby had a genetic defect?
tim dillon
You've got to make it better, yeah.
joe rogan
Why would you, you know?
So anyway, what does it say that he did and what the result was?
Because what was very strange about the result was that there was this positive increase in cognitive function.
I gotta think that's not a fucking accident.
I can't imagine that they really were worried about these children contracting HIV. There's no way it's an accident.
That's not what you would think would be a focus.
But if I was in a communist country and I was trying to make the best thing for the government, what's the best thing for the government?
Super fucking smart people.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
So let's get some super smart people on board and run this shit with geniuses.
tim dillon
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
So I don't know if they allowed him to do it, if they gave him a license to do it, or if he's rogue.
But it seems like that's a weird...
tim dillon
It seems like it was probably a wink and a nod.
joe rogan
I mean, they do have unintended consequences, right?
Yeah.
tim dillon
There's no way they're inoculating babies for HIV. I doubt it.
There's no way.
joe rogan
It just doesn't seem like that's what you would do.
tim dillon
It seems odd.
A sexually transmitted disease.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It seems odd.
tim dillon
It seems like they were probably trying to see, you know...
joe rogan
Like, sometimes they do medicate...
Like, what was...
Viagra was for, like, blood pressure or something like that, right?
Wasn't it like...
tim dillon
Yeah, there's...
You know, there's things like that.
joe rogan
And they find out, oh, it works for this.
But not that?
Where you're gene editing and you make someone wicked smart?
What was the increase in IQ that they found?
Or the evidence of increase in intelligence?
Because there was some sort of evidence.
I don't know what tests they use, but they're fucking super smart people.
But tell me they haven't already done that.
tim dillon
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
We're hearing about the first ones, really?
tim dillon
There's definitely cases, I'm sure, that were experimental.
jamie vernon
How would they have tested the IQ? I'm trying to find it right now.
I'm thinking about it.
joe rogan
You can't test a baby's IQ. That's what I'm asking.
I mean, what did they use to detect intelligence?
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
I remember reading that, though, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, I did, too.
I just don't remember what exactly they used or how old the babies are.
Maybe the babies are already talking.
jamie vernon
Listen, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got some shit to tell you.
jamie vernon
Maybe the babies have an enhanced ability to learn and form memories, but...
joe rogan
Oh, may also have an enhanced their ability to...
Oh, no, but that's just in the title.
What does it say down...
Like, how did they find out that it...
jamie vernon
Well, it may have...
joe rogan
Goddamn pop-ups.
jamie vernon
I don't know if they...
tim dillon
Do you ever subscribe to this bitch?
The babies came out and were like, fuck Taiwan!
God, they're smart.
joe rogan
Right out of the box.
tim dillon
Their first two words, yeah.
joe rogan
They already knew.
tim dillon
It's a scary world.
That stuff's not going to change.
jamie vernon
It's because of the gene that was edited.
It has to do with that.
joe rogan
Okay, now new research shows the same alteration introduced into the girl's DNA. Detection of a gene called CCR5 not only makes mice smarter, but also improves human brain recovery after stroke and could be linked to greater success at school.
Okay, duh.
The answer is likely yes.
It did affect their brains, says Alcino J. Silva, a neurobiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, whose lab uncovered a major new role for CCR5 gene in memory and the brain's ability to form new connections.
Sorry, it's getting darker as the screen goes on.
We're too cheap to buy it.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is that website, though?
Give them a plug.
MIT. MIT. Yeah, they need help.
tim dillon
MIT needs help.
joe rogan
You put that out there, kids.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
It's for higher learning.
So they obviously did that shit on Barberos.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't you?
Why are you already in there?
tim dillon
How about fix it?
joe rogan
Give them a big dick.
What if they got in the big dick chain?
tim dillon
Yeah, it's hard to even argue against it.
I know that we shouldn't.
You know, we shouldn't manipulate life and da-da-da-da-da.
But that's not going to win that argument.
joe rogan
No, it's not going to win that argument.
It's one of those things where, you know, when you give people the ability to do something, it can substantially increase a person's potential in everything.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't you do it?
Because you want to be able to do it to yourself.
tim dillon
Competitive advantage.
And you're giving them a big one.
joe rogan
And you're doing that to babies, but I think the idea is to do it to people.
tim dillon
Everybody.
joe rogan
And I think they've done some things to people.
Like, what have they used CRISPR on for, like, a live patient, not an embryo?
What have they done with CRISPR that, uh...
tim dillon
Well, they're also, they're trying to do a lot with stem cells.
joe rogan
Yes, they're definitely doing a lot with stem cells, but that's different.
tim dillon
That's different.
joe rogan
Yeah, that doesn't have nearly the same impact.
Like, what stem cells do is they allow you to heal.
tim dillon
CRISPR is, like, deleting the genes.
joe rogan
CRISPR is, like, altering the code.
It's like a guy who knows DOS, and he gets into your fucking laptop.
He's like, Tim, I'm gonna fix your thing.
He's like, shh, shh, shh, shh.
You're in the code of the fucking human body, and if you can delete genes that have problematic results in a certain percentage of the population, you could literally eliminate specific genetic diseases that people have.
You could make sure that babies are not going to have any issues as they're developing in the womb.
You'd be able to correct things, ultimately, one day.
And that's what's going to lead people to get excited about it, and then it's going to continue to escalate.
It's going to be something that's everywhere.
Okay, so what does it say here?
The first use of an ex vivo CRISPR based therapy to treat a genetic disease.
Researchers treated a patient with beta thalassemia in Germany in February 2019. Twelve more patients have since been treated and seven of them have been followed for at least three months.
None of the patients need blood transfusions in the months after treatment.
The first patient with SCD was treated with the same therapy in Nashville, Tennessee in July 2019. This patient, Victoria Gray, has shown remarkable progress.
Hear from Gray herself, early results on other patients are promising too.
All patients treated for SCD or beta thalassemia are showing normal to near normal hemoglobin levels.
Holy shit!
Where at least 30% of them or 40% of them of hemoglobin is fetal hemoglobin.
In bone marrow samples taken from Gray, an additional SCD patient, and 5-bethalassemia patients, researchers found cells with the expected genetic edit that allows them to make fetal hemoglobin.
This indicates that the edited cells have successfully taken up residence in the bone marrow.
The only immediate side effect associated with the treatment resulted from the administration of chemotherapy.
So only the chemotherapy fucked them up.
That is wild.
That's wild.
They're fixing people with this shit.
tim dillon
They're fixing people.
joe rogan
That's the positive aspect of it.
And it's amazing.
But what's going to happen is everyone's going to look like Thor.
We're all going to be perfect.
And then we're going to be super.
There's going to be people just like women that have double E fake tits.
tim dillon
Yeah, but if that's the negative...
I don't know if that's the negative.
If you look around at our society and you know the problem is everyone's going to be in shape and look like Thor.
I don't know.
But I understand what you mean.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
tim dillon
We're getting rid of the natural quirkiness that makes someone different.
Like, that's Rachel.
She fucking never eats lunch or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah.
You know, listen, it's gonna be fine.
It's all gonna be fine.
joe rogan
We're just not gonna be this anymore.
tim dillon
And we can't be.
joe rogan
No.
tim dillon
We've had enough of being human.
joe rogan
Well, we're just so attached to this because we've always been this and we've always known, you know, Abraham Lincoln was this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But this is this.
tim dillon
But, you know, the next Abraham Lincoln is gonna be CRISPR. Yeah, he's gonna be a CRISPR person.
CRISPR the fuck out.
joe rogan
He's going to be like that alien in Prometheus, the one who comes from another planet to put his genes into the DNA. That's right.
That's what he's going to be.
tim dillon
That's right.
And I'm ready for that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Remember what those dudes look like?
They all look exactly the same.
tim dillon
They were like weird obsidian balls.
joe rogan
This is actually the best example.
Go to the aliens in Prometheus.
tim dillon
This is the best example.
They were in shape, guys, but they were like- Yeah, they were super fucking jacked.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But show them what they're out there shirts on because there's all these pictures of them without their shirts on their fucking suit like when the dude goes into the river that's seen in the first Yes, I mean come on.
That's what we're all gonna look like.
That's our future That's the future with genetic editing.
tim dillon
You're not hugely different from that now You're gonna have much less of a trip than I will But he looked even better than that.
joe rogan
Go to that photo there.
Well, see if you can find the video, because the video is fascinating.
Opening video, Prometheus.
tim dillon
What do you think timeline?
30 years, 50 years?
joe rogan
30, 50 years.
By 50, everybody looks like that.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
By 50, everybody has a bulletproof body, and you see through walls.
tim dillon
It's going to be crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's going to be wild.
And I think we're all going to embrace it, because it's going to be way more fun.
It's going to be way better than not...
Here it is.
So he goes down to the waterfall.
Watch this.
Takes off his robe.
And he's going to kill himself and destroy his body and his DNA is going to enter into the Earth's DNA. Look at this fucking frame on this man!
tim dillon
Now, why is he doing this again?
joe rogan
Because he wants to show you he's jacked.
That's why he has to take his shirt off before he poisons himself.
So he's going to, but he wants to cover his dick up because he's modest.
Look at the body on that thing.
That creature from another planet with a perfect physique.
tim dillon
And he's poisoning himself.
joe rogan
Yes, so he's going to poison himself and it's going to break down his DNA and he's going to enter into the river.
See, the spaceship has dropped him off for him to populate Earth just with his DNA and the idea is that it'll eventually integrate and become life.
tim dillon
And this is what happened to America.
This is what happened to Earth, right?
joe rogan
Well, I think this is a very sensationalized version of what they believe.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They believe that there was some genetic...
the real kooks believed that there was genetic engineering to ancient hominids, and that's what created human beings.
There were a combination of primate, lower primate, and some sort of species from another galaxy.
tim dillon
Seems correct.
Right?
joe rogan
Something happened.
We fucking definitely got to jump on those motherfuckers.
So look how he dies.
He dies and his body just destroys and falls apart and he falls into the river and integrates.
And then the idea is, I guess, that his genetic material is the building blocks for whatever life is going to emerge on that planet.
So what they think happened here was that human beings have been visited from the beginning of time, and that what happened was they recognized that there was an intelligent species emerging, but they were really, really, really far behind.
And so they give this intelligent species some of their genes or they manipulate their genes and allow them to advance much quicker than all the other primates or any other animal on the planet.
tim dillon
And where did that intelligent race come from?
joe rogan
Well, it depends on who you listen to.
If you listen to some of the people that think that UFOs are coming from multiple different galaxies and multiple different planets, it could be from anywhere.
But if you listen to the real kooks that believe that the Anunnaki came here, the Zechariah Sitchin stuff?
tim dillon
Yeah, dude, big time.
The first episode we ever did, I brought that up.
joe rogan
That's the fascinating stuff.
The Zacharias Hitchin stuff is the fascinating stuff because it's all based on these ancient Sumerian texts.
It's very in dispute of what this guy says.
There's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com where they break down his assertions and say this is what's inaccurate and this is why it's wrong.
But what's undeniable is that these people had a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago that they wrote in clay that showed the sun at the center and all the planets in the correct orbit with the correct size.
Not necessarily the ratio, but this one's bigger than that one.
They had a knowledge of the cosmos in some strange way.
And they also had depictions of these very tall, strange-looking figures With little monkey people on their laps.
And they had the symbol for DNA, like the double helix DNA. They had that.
tim dillon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
They had that symbol that they used to represent medicine.
That's the same symbol.
Like, they had that on the wall.
tim dillon
Yeah, so there's something.
They had some idea, some knowledge.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on who you ask.
Some people say it's all just ornamental and it's all just beautiful.
Zechariah Sitchin believed that what those Sumerian texts depict is that there's a planet called Dimbiru, and the planet comes here, and the Anunnaki have been genetically manipulating people since the beginning.
tim dillon
Of time.
joe rogan
It's a fun one.
tim dillon
I've been in there, and I know.
I mean, it's chariots of the gods, Eric von Donegan, all that shit.
joe rogan
I had lunch with that guy.
tim dillon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, at this point, it's like whoever did this, it's like, thanks, but also you fucked up a little.
joe rogan
Well, maybe they're just standing by for technology to take us into the next realm.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
I think that's probably the inevitable.
I mean, I know people are like, fuck that!
And I'm with you.
I'm with you.
But I'm just saying, I don't think we're going to be able to stop it.
tim dillon
It's coming.
joe rogan
It's coming.
And maybe that's what the aliens are hovering around waiting for.
tim dillon
That's right.
joe rogan
They're waiting for, like, they're right about to bloom.
Like, they're coming in right when the human race is about to bloom.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, they had a few hiccups.
You know, there was a late frost with the nuclear war.
tim dillon
Well, maybe Elon Musk is going to, maybe they'll start in Austin.
joe rogan
Could be.
tim dillon
And all these, you know, half-hybrid human aliens will walk around eating tacos.
joe rogan
How long before you get a chip?
tim dillon
In my head?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Well, I don't know that anyone's offered one.
joe rogan
But if it started coming out...
tim dillon
No, I mean, if I was at the end of my thing, at the end of life, I would go, ah, maybe.
But, you know, I'm going to hold on.
I think we hold on to humanity as long as we can.
Because we are that last crew.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
And that's what makes it...
And the minute we put the chip in, it's like, we're dying.
It's over.
joe rogan
I gotta pee so bad, I think we should wrap this up.
tim dillon
Yes.
joe rogan
Tim Dillon, you're the fucking man.
That was one of the best rants I've ever heard.
tim dillon
We're gonna clip it and put it on my Instagram.
Don't sue me.
joe rogan
Please do.
Please put it up there.
tim dillon
And listen, if everything ends and it's all horrible, we got a chance to live in the greatest city in the world, Austin, Texas.
joe rogan
We had a great time.
unidentified
That's right.
tim dillon
Thank you, brother.
unidentified
Bye.
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