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July 7, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1841 - Brian Redban
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joe rogan
Joe Tony's the best fucking show in comedy.
brian redban
It's great.
joe rogan
It is.
You guys have the best show in comedy.
brian redban
We broke a...
joe rogan
Are we up?
brian redban
Oh, never mind.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
brian redban
We're running?
joe rogan
Yeah, we're running.
Yeah.
No, you have the best show in comedy.
Kill Tony is the best live stand-up show that's ever existed.
unidentified
It's the best.
brian redban
It's fun.
unidentified
It's the best.
brian redban
Yeah.
And it has such a great, you know, like we learn about new comics in it, you know, and that's great for all of us, knowing who's good, who's bad, you know.
joe rogan
Think about all the people that came from it.
Hans, William, you know, all these fucking people from the past.
Preacher Lawson.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, how many guys came from Kill Tony?
brian redban
Tons.
joe rogan
Right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's fucking, it's such a great show, dude.
You guys, it's awesome.
It's so, and you guys have it so down now.
You know, like with the band behind you, and like everyone's in sync, and it's so good.
Tony is so fucking good at hosting, too.
brian redban
Yeah.
It's insane.
And he's gotten so much better, you know?
Like, just in the last couple of years, you could just...
He's, like, so professional now, like, how he does it.
Because it used to be where I'd be like, okay, now we have to do ads, you know, and stuff.
And I had to kind of, like, help him.
Now he just...
He has it.
joe rogan
Nah, he's got it down.
But, like, off the cuff, that kid is fucking insane.
It's so good.
It's such a great thing to have for comedy, too, to have, like, this opportunity for young up-and-coming people, or even old up-and-coming people.
It could be old.
You've had a few old people.
Who's the oldest one you've ever had on your show?
brian redban
Like a guest?
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, not a guest.
brian redban
No, I mean someone we found.
joe rogan
Yeah, someone doing one minute.
brian redban
We've had old, old, old people.
Like on the road, we'll find these guys that did comedy in the 80s and they still do it in Jersey somewhere.
Wow.
Yeah, we've had some old people.
I can't think of anyone off their names or anything off the...
We've been doing almost 10 years.
It's insane how long we've been doing that.
Every single Monday.
Sometimes we're doing Monday and then Friday two shows, Saturday two shows.
When we're on the road, it's just insane how many we've been doing.
And the show runs itself now.
Me and Tony could literally, just me and him and an iPad, go anywhere and have a show.
It's pretty ridiculous how it works.
joe rogan
And does the iPad hook up to the sound system in the club?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do they do that for you?
brian redban
So I have like a studio on the go type thing where I plug everything plugged into my shit.
And so it records each mic on a different sound file.
And then I have a splitter that runs to their house sound.
So they can turn up and turn down their own house sound.
And for me, it just stays the same.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's pretty plug and play.
brian redban
It's very plug and play.
And it's cool because when we're on the road, you know, like a place like, hey man, this is just a hotel banquet room.
I don't know how you're going to do this.
I'm like, I just need one XLR cable because that's all I need.
I could just plug in like using an XLR cable and controlled like nine different mics.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian redban
So it's, yeah, it's pretty fun.
joe rogan
Fucking technology, son.
brian redban
So much easier nowadays.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
Well, also, do people make podcast kits?
Does anybody make a kit?
brian redban
They do, and I've seen them before.
You know, like you go to a website and they'll sell you a podcast kit, and it's just mediocre equipment and stuff like that.
But people ask me all the time, you know, what you recommend.
And Zoom, I think you've heard of Zoom before.
They make all the good shit.
They have these things where you just plug them right in.
It records different tracks.
It even records so well, if you could scream in it, it won't distort.
It's called a float recording.
joe rogan
Dude, there's three million podcasts now.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
When we started, how many do you think there was?
brian redban
In the hundreds, at least.
Like hundreds.
joe rogan
200. I wonder how many there were.
brian redban
I don't know.
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
I wish someone knew.
How many podcasts were available in 2009?
Find that out.
jamie vernon
Adam Curry had an archive.
That's how it started, right?
So there had to be a list.
joe rogan
Well, he's number one.
Adam Curry is the podfather.
All respect to Adam Curry.
brian redban
There was all those people, like the tech guys, like Leo Laporte.
Remember that guy?
Sure, I love that guy.
joe rogan
That guy's awesome.
brian redban
I think he still does it, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And Dvorak, who does it with Adam.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that podcast, Curry's podcast, the first one was like, was it 2004 or something like that?
It was like five years before us, I think.
I think somewhere along those lines.
But like when we started in 2009, what was the number of podcasts?
I bet there's a log of that.
Let's guess.
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Give me a real guess.
jamie vernon
I would say, I could tell you how many there are currently.
joe rogan
Give me how many they have currently.
Oh my god, it's now 4 million.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
So it jumped up a million.
brian redban
I wonder though, is this podcast or podcast show?
jamie vernon
That's what's still in the last three days, there's been 100,000 episodes published.
Shows published.
I would imagine that that means...
joe rogan
Total podcast in the index, 4 million.
79,717.
Holy fuck.
brian redban
That's crazy.
Yeah, I would say it was...
joe rogan
Four million is...
Dude, it was just three million a couple of months ago, Jamie.
Do you remember?
jamie vernon
I mean, it makes it easier.
joe rogan
It wasn't that long ago.
jamie vernon
It makes it easier to upload more people, you know?
joe rogan
But that's wild, man.
That's wild.
brian redban
I think there was still, when we started, there was podcasts, though.
There was probably a couple hundred.
joe rogan
Had to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there was Adam...
brian redban
At least.
joe rogan
Adam Carolla, right?
Adam Curry.
brian redban
Marc Maron, was he doing it?
joe rogan
He was before us.
He was before us, I think, by, like, at least months, if not a year.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
He was before us.
Who else?
Who else?
brian redban
Corolla.
joe rogan
Not a lot of other people, man.
Oh, Kevin Smith.
brian redban
Kevin Smith, that's right.
joe rogan
Kevin Smith always had Smog Castle.
brian redban
We did that once.
joe rogan
Yeah, we did that at that theater.
That was fun.
Yeah.
Yeah, he had them out before anybody.
He was one of the early, early birds.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
But how am I, like, overall...
brian redban
I wonder if you can go to the internet archive and just look at podcast rankings and maybe it would show it there.
jamie vernon
Maybe I can look at that same site.
I'm digging through some Adam Curry info to find that original archive he had.
2005 is what I'm reading right now.
Is when that RSS feed thing they gave to Apple to build their database off of.
joe rogan
So that was his first, 2005. So he was number one.
So it goes from Adam Curry and there's probably a few other tech guys probably got involved around then and started doing some.
brian redban
And now everything.
Now TV shows, like just Kinko's locations, you know, like have podcasts.
I was watching...
jamie vernon
Really?
brian redban
Yeah, I was watching, you know, when you see a movie and before the movie starts and before the previews, they have just like...
Like little trivia games, you know, and they have like a host and it's like just tons of commercials.
They go, and you could join us on our new podcast.
I was like, who is sitting there watching that, that enjoys that part of the movie enough where they're going to subscribe to a podcast about that?
You probably don't know what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
I don't, but...
brian redban
Like, if you go to a movie early, before the movie trailers comes on, it's just, like, this generic stuff where it's just a ton of commercials and people giving you, like, movie trivia.
Like, hi!
It's kind of like E! Entertainment Tonight.
But it's just cheesy shit.
But they have a podcast.
joe rogan
How many, like, restaurants and bars have their own podcasts?
brian redban
Exactly.
joe rogan
That must be a thing now, right?
brian redban
Oh, totally, totally.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's always probably funny people at bars, right?
It's probably not a bad idea.
And you've met people that never did stand-up that were really hilarious, right?
brian redban
Oh yeah, tons.
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
Like some guys would be like, God, if I was like a tenth as funny as that guy.
brian redban
Right.
Yeah.
The only reason you couldn't have it at a bar is probably for insurance reasons.
Like, you know, oh, here's proof that they just got drunk before they killed a bunch of people after this podcast.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, we all met people that were, like, really funny that just never did it.
You know?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Eddie Bravo's doing stand-up now, and I always told him to do stand-up, like, way back in the day.
I'm like, dude, you're funny.
You have funny fucking stories, man.
brian redban
I remember you tried it once, and something happened, like, he didn't have a good set, and then you stopped for a while.
joe rogan
He had a couple of rough sets.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
But that was before he was teaching.
When he started teaching, he got very comfortable, like, addressing people, because he was doing a lot of seminars.
So he would fly in and explain jujitsu in seminars, and one of the things he would do was tell funny stories.
So he'd tell funny stories while he is, like, teaching jujitsu.
And, you know, he was like, dude, I'm killing in front of my class.
And I started laughing and then he started doing it again.
But it was like a nine-year break where he wasn't doing it.
At least, maybe nine's wrong, but many years.
I forget how many.
But he's funny, man.
I saw him at the Comedy Store and he was doing the Tinfoil Hat Show with Sam Tripoli.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
I'm like, dude, he's fucking funny.
He's got some funny ass stories.
brian redban
He always had funny stories.
I remember about like the cranberry juice, like you would give a girl cranberry juice or something like that because she had a urinary tract.
Anyways, like all those stories he would always tell us about like dates he went on and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Oh, he had crazy stories.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're very funny.
But he's just figured out how to do stand-up now.
It's interesting to watch, you know?
I had this guy that I worked for that was a private investigator, and he was one of the funniest guys I've ever met.
His name is Dave Dolan.
I don't know if you ever met him.
He died a few years back though.
You might have met him one of the times we went back to Boston, because I always saw him whenever I was in town.
But he was my employee, my employer, when I was 21, when I was just starting to do stand-up.
He needed a driver.
So we put in an ad for a newspaper, wanted a private investigator's assistant.
And I was like, oh, that'd be a dope job to do while I'm doing stand-up.
I'll be a private investigator's assistant.
But it was really just, I had to drive him because he lost his license from drinking and driving.
Dude, he was hilarious.
He was one of the funniest people I ever met.
Working with him, I would come home, and there was this girl I was dating, and we would have these conversations about it.
I was like, He's so funny, it's like confusing.
I'm like, why aren't you doing comedy?
I'm like, I was crying laughing all day with this guy.
brian redban
Sometimes it probably doesn't transfer well, though.
He would have.
joe rogan
100%.
He could have 100% been a comedian.
He didn't give a fuck, though.
He didn't want to do it.
And he had an in.
His cousin was one of the owners of the Comedy Connection.
It was Bill Downs.
Bill Downs and Paul...
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
I forgot his last name.
I can't.
We gotta edit that part out.
Paul Barkley.
I got it.
I'll say it again.
It was Bill Downs and Paul Barkley.
They were the owners of the Comedy Connection.
And my friend, Dave Dolan, was cousins with Bill Downs, so he had like an in.
He could have gone to an open mic.
He would have got up.
He would have fucking killed.
brian redban
I wonder why he didn't.
joe rogan
Didn't want to.
He like genuinely didn't give a fuck.
That's one of the reasons why he was so funny.
Like the guy genuinely didn't give a fuck.
He was just a really funny dude.
He was just into having a good time.
That's all he wanted to do.
Have a good time.
brian redban
You know, I've seen on Kill Tony before people that have tried comedy for the first time, and they say, you know, all my friends told me that I'm not just a funny guy.
And we had one on recently, and it did not, was not funny, because he told it as if it was like a joke, like a street joke, you know?
So these two guys, you know, and I was like, if you could just say what you said, but made it like more real.
Right.
unidentified
That's the hard part.
brian redban
That's the hard part, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the hard part.
This guy, my friend Dave, when he quit drinking, he stayed funny.
And he quit.
Just quit like that.
When I started working for him, he's like, I gotta stop.
He crashed his car under a bridge and then ran away from the car.
brian redban
Oh, God.
joe rogan
So he's under an underpass, and he's like, that was the end of that one.
He's like, I had to let it go, bro.
But he just quit.
brian redban
I think I could easily do that.
Simple, I think.
Because I think the older I get, now drinking to me...
The next day, I'm like, well, this day's ruined.
My body does not snap back like it used to.
And I think if anything, it's kind of like, yeah, why am I drinking?
Just because I'm at a show?
Because I feel like when I'm at a show, before I go on stage or something, I have to have a drink or two.
But at home, not really.
joe rogan
That's one of the great things about doing Sober October, is that you realize you don't really need anything.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
You don't need to have a drink.
Just go have fun.
You can be completely sober and have a great time at a show.
It's funny, but alcohol and comedy, they go hand-to-hand.
There's no other performance thing that goes better with alcohol than comedy.
brian redban
Yeah, because it loosens you up.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're in a live setting, so it's exciting.
It's always the other people laughing around you.
You're getting a little tipsy.
brian redban
Is there anything else that will loosen you up?
Maybe we just start eating turkey before we go on stage?
joe rogan
That's not real.
That's not real.
Do you remember that place in Toronto where the whole crowd was high?
brian redban
Yeah, Puff Mama's place.
The underground.
Comedy Underground or whatever.
joe rogan
So you go on stage and there's no air in the room.
You're just breathing weed smoke.
Breathing in and breathing out weed smoke.
I can't tell you how high you get in that room.
It's so ridiculous.
They have bongs on people's tables.
brian redban
They call it greening out.
Doug Benson greened out.
He passed out because of that.
And Tony Hinchcliffe ran off stage and had to take off his shirt and sit outside on the curb in the middle of winter.
joe rogan
That's the place where I did that video with the Iron Sheik.
brian redban
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Iron Sheik was in the crowd.
brian redban
That's crazy that he was there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was fun.
If you wanted to choose, though, between alcohol and a weed crowd...
Oh, God.
I'm going to go with alcohol.
brian redban
Alcohol crowd.
joe rogan
Alcohol crowd for the win, right?
brian redban
Yeah, because the weed crowd would just be staring at you and getting lost.
Getting super scared.
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's making jokes about me.
brian redban
Yeah.
But the alcohol crowd sucked, too, especially bar alcohol crowds where people are just rowdy and...
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes people get out of hand.
But that's just part of being a person.
You know?
People get out of hand.
Some people just not that good with alcohol.
It's weird that that's a genetic thing for some folks.
You know, people of different ancestral origins, different parts of the world, it's interesting how they handle alcohol differently.
Like, people from Russia can fucking handle some alcohol, right?
Like notorious for it.
There's like certain Irish can handle some fucking alcohol, right?
But there's some some ethnicities that have a difficult issue with it because they don't have like a long history of exposure to it in their past.
brian redban
Yeah, it's also how much you, like, when did you start?
Like, Bert Kreischer, I mean, that dude should be dead, you know?
joe rogan
Should be dead.
brian redban
And he just has been drinking so long for so much every day.
I think it's just like his body just, ah, I need this to survive.
joe rogan
I wonder what's a good historical account of the effects of alcohol on Native American tribes.
There must have been some documentation of that, because I don't think it's wrong.
I think it's one of those things that everybody kind of knows, that when the settlers were making their way across the country and they introduced Native Americans to alcohol, they didn't have something like that before, and they did not handle it well.
And I always wonder, like, if that's a genetic thing.
That is, right?
Is that what they think?
Like, your ancestors had a history of drinking alcohol, so you're more predisposed to be able to handle it, right?
brian redban
Right, and that would make sense why a lot of people from the Midwest can drink more, you know, because everyone has that Native American in them, right, 10%?
joe rogan
Bro, no, but I think it would be worse.
No, the thing would be saying that if you had Native American, you don't have a history of alcohol.
brian redban
Oh, you're saying the opposite of that.
joe rogan
The opposite of that.
brian redban
Okay.
joe rogan
Like, whatever Shane Gillis is, there's no fucking way his ancestors don't have a history of alcohol.
brian redban
Does he have Florida in him?
Milwaukee?
joe rogan
Florida's almost its own country, let's be real.
If shit gets weird, Florida could be its own country.
It could be the wildest country.
It'd just be all Leonard Skinner's songs.
jamie vernon
Little detailed genetic research has been done on this topic, but it has been shown that alcoholism tends to run in families with a possible involvement of differences in alcohol metabolism.
And the genotype of the alcohol metabolizing enzymes, I can't say those real fast, which may be more prevalent in Native Americans than other ethnic groups, which is why that has been discussed that way, according to this.
joe rogan
But they're not sure that a propensity for alcoholism is transmitted genetically?
jamie vernon
So, I mean, it says here even that there's a couple myths about that that aren't proven.
If I scroll up on this article, it does show there are a disproportionate number of deaths in alcoholism, but there could be other reasons for that.
joe rogan
Because it's always been a stereotype, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's always been a stereotype.
You've got to always wonder where those come from when it comes to that.
brian redban
I feel like I can handle my alcohol pretty well.
At least I can drink it.
I can non-stop drink it all night and not get to the point where I'm sick or puking or anything like that.
joe rogan
Is that good?
brian redban
No, it's not good.
It's not good.
But I think it's because I just drank.
My parents always put chili in the beer growing up.
joe rogan
Chili in the beer?
brian redban
Beer in the chili.
They did?
Yeah.
As a kid...
My dad would always go, hey, son, you want some beer in your chili?
And he'd take his old Milwaukee or whatever and just pour something.
unidentified
What the fuck?
brian redban
Yeah, that was, I think, an Ohio thing.
How old were you?
Ten.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, you were getting hammered at ten.
jamie vernon
Chili.
I just typed it in.
joe rogan
Best beer chili.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's a thing.
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
brian redban
And it was literally the shitty, my dad drank shitty beer and just poured it right in my chili.
And I always thought everybody did.
joe rogan
Dude, some shitty beers are nice sometimes.
The Pabst Blue Ribbon, that's nice sometimes.
Sometimes, that's what you want.
It's cold.
It's a very specific taste.
It's like, look, I get it if you're into IPAs and those real weedy beers.
Those are interesting.
I'll admit, they're interesting.
But also...
Like a fucking Pabst Blue Ribbon.
Every now and then.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Cold, you know?
brian redban
Hell yeah.
I wish we had one right now, just a shitty, cheap beer.
joe rogan
Maybe you're eating crabs.
Frosted glass.
If you're eating crabs or something like that, a nice cold Pabst Blue Ribbon.
brian redban
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
That would hit the fucking spot.
brian redban
I don't really drink beer anymore.
joe rogan
No?
brian redban
Do you still drink beer?
I stop drinking.
joe rogan
I do occasionally.
But you know, I'm trying to avoid as many things that are like, that have wheat in them.
brian redban
Gluten stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just don't think my body reacts to that stuff very well.
It's a big slowdown in my system when I eat bread or when I eat pasta.
And I still love it.
I fucking love it all.
I love pizza.
I love it.
But my body does not react well to it.
brian redban
Have you got a gluten test before?
joe rogan
No.
No, I'm just going by my own, just how it feels for me.
I think everybody's fucking different, you know, and I think this one-size-fits-all approach to what you eat is crazy.
For me, it seems like my body feels at its best when I eat mostly meat and fruit.
So that's what I eat.
I don't fuck around.
Because when I do fuck around, I always feel like shit.
brian redban
I agree with that.
Meat is mostly what I eat, but I eat burgers.
I'm addicted to burgers.
joe rogan
But you get them on the bun.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
It's more delicious on the bun.
It's more delicious.
And In-N-Out with the lettuce wrap is pretty fucking good.
brian redban
That is good.
You have to get the double dough.
joe rogan
It's not as good as with the bun.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
The bun makes it better.
The whole thing makes it better.
Also, there's like, I'm eating bread, yeah!
Bread used to just be food.
When the fuck did bread become bad for you?
brian redban
Evil shit.
joe rogan
You know, there's the conspiracy theory that it's glyphosate that's fucking people up.
That it's not...
See what that is all about.
Because I've heard people talk about that.
brian redban
What is it?
joe rogan
I think Robert Kennedy Jr. was talking about that.
He was talking about glyphosate.
Glyphosate is Roundup.
Roundup is that stuff that they spray.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
No, that can't be true.
joe rogan
The stuff's super bad for you, right?
brian redban
There's no way there's Roundup.
joe rogan
But hold on.
If they use it on these plants...
Where does it go?
Do they wash it off?
What kind of residual effect does that stuff have on the food you eat?
brian redban
Or plastics.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if that was what was going on?
And that's why, like, European people don't look like us?
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
More than half the products...
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
More than half the products tested had detectable levels of glyphosate above 10 parts per billion.
45 out of 86 products contained detectable levels of glyphosate.
Ranges were from 12 parts per billion It's crazy.
Damn, they got you perfect.
That was nice.
The pop-up was...
The timed pop-ups.
So, yeah, so...
There's glyphosate in foods.
It gets trace amounts of glyphosate.
brian redban
That's insane.
joe rogan
Glyphosate in popular bread, oats, legumes, protein powders, and bars, 2022. Holy shit.
brian redban
That's everything you have.
You have the protein powers?
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
All that stuff.
How wild is that?
Because it's like, it's a really common chemical that's used, and it's really bad for you.
And if that's it, I mean, that, I don't know, I mean, is there a kind of organic wheat that you know is 100% glyphosate free?
And if you ate that, would you feel different?
brian redban
I bet there is.
joe rogan
Or are these trace amounts of glyphosate that aren't really affecting you?
Like, I wish I knew.
I mean, it sounds scary when they're talking about parts per billion, but I wish a scientist would go, eh, not a lot.
brian redban
Right.
It's like those microplastics.
When I start reading about microplastics and stuff like that, I start freaking out.
joe rogan
Do you know how much we eat every week?
brian redban
Yeah, it's nuts.
joe rogan
It's a credit card.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
We eat a credit card.
brian redban
That's craziness.
jamie vernon
I wish I could remember.
I read someone said that it's not a misinterpretation, but that's like the highest end it could be is a credit card.
I think when they read into it.
joe rogan
So like somebody who eats microwaves.
jamie vernon
And even like the way they got that number was like studying clams or something like that and then did a math problem.
I can't think of the word right now.
To figure out what it would be like in humans if it was the same size.
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
That's how they got that number.
joe rogan
So there's a little fuckery involved.
jamie vernon
There's a little.
But there is some.
joe rogan
A wee bit of fuckery.
jamie vernon
It's not untrue, but it seemed like there was a little bit of it.
joe rogan
Okay.
Well, credit card seems like a lot.
brian redban
And how much stays in your body and how much do you shit out?
joe rogan
Right.
I bet you'd shit a lot of it out.
brian redban
What?
Like 99.9% probably.
joe rogan
But what if you don't?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Plastics and stuff in your body.
jamie vernon
See, here's like the article.
But like, for weirdly, it starts off saying, globally, we are ingesting an average of five grams.
So it's an average, too.
And the weird is globally.
joe rogan
Right, globally.
Like, maybe some parts of the world are higher.
brian redban
Yeah, like us.
joe rogan
I think we'd be pretty high.
If you're getting it from microwaving food with plastic on it, we gotta be high as fuck.
We've been doing that for a long time.
brian redban
And plastic forks, and there's little plastic containers, your food comes in, the to-go boxes.
joe rogan
There's always little pieces of plastic somewhere, I guarantee you.
jamie vernon
Even this article says it's just Australians.
It says Australians ingest a credit card, not everyone.
joe rogan
Well, is that an article from Australia?
jamie vernon
Well, an Australian analysis says that.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian redban
Can you really trust this Australian analysis?
joe rogan
Can anymore.
Yeah, I'm worried, though.
Well, I'm worried also because I had that Dr. Shanna Swan lady on the podcast who talked about what plastics and these chemicals like phthalates are doing to the reproductive systems of people.
Did you ever hear about that?
brian redban
Yeah.
I think I heard about it from...
joe rogan
She's got this book called Countdown, and it's all about what plastics are doing to people's reproductive systems.
brian redban
Right.
Yeah, my girlfriend is obsessed with all that shit, and she thinks we're dying from it.
joe rogan
Well, we're changing.
We're changing.
The problem is it's dropped men's sperm counts 50% lower than they were in the 1950s.
Women have more miscarriages.
And men's taints are shrinking.
brian redban
That's a good thing.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
brian redban
I want my asshole right next to my dick.
Masturbate and you just put your finger in there.
Pick it up like a bowling ball.
joe rogan
That's bad because the closer the taints are, it's the more feminizing of the male.
This is what it is like in mammals, and I'll probably fuck this up, my apologies in advance.
In mammals, male taints are between 50 and 100% larger than the females.
So that's one of the best ways that they detect whether or not a mammal, like a puppy, is a boy or a girl.
The taint is bigger.
But in men, over the last X amount of years, they've been shrinking.
They've been shrinking steadily, which is an indication of penis sizes are shrinking, testicles are shrinking, sperm counts dropping like 50% lower.
And at the same time, this is the introduction of petrochemical products, like plastics and stuff like that.
Eating out of plastic bottles, drinking out of plastic bottles, eating out of plastic plates.
All this stuff has entered into the bloodstreams and they've found in studies in mammals that when they introduce these phthalates to mammals their offspring are affected.
The reproductive systems are affected.
It's wild shit, dude.
Because it's like we're doing something weird to the human organism.
And we're doing it through plastics, and we're just now finding out about it.
Like, we're only finding out about this over the last...
I think...
We talked about this, but I always forget.
I want to say it's like 2015, right?
It was not that long ago that they discovered this.
brian redban
Nuts.
joe rogan
So she wrote this whole book about it and she's a really funny lady too.
She's got like a thing on her Instagram called the jizz quiz.
And it's all about, you know, like a quiz on like how much men's sperm counts have dropped over the last 50 years.
And it's like, whew.
brian redban
So weird.
joe rogan
It's wild.
Because it's just, it's unavoidable.
Like, we're just accustomed to consuming a certain amount of plastics and having plastic chemicals in our body.
brian redban
How's the connection of that, though?
Could it be something else?
Like, you know...
joe rogan
They're really sure that phthalates do that.
And phthalates are some of the chemicals that you get from plastics.
I think some pesticides affect the body in a similar way.
There's a lot of shit that we encounter that fucks with reproductive systems.
So when they did it with animal studies, when they did it, it showed that the males all came out more feminine and with smaller taints and the whole deal.
And it's all about what kind of chemicals the mother has in her body when she conceives.
It's wild stuff, man, because the implications are if we don't stop using them, we're going to change the species over plastic.
It'll change what it means to be a male human.
Because it won't be like a male human used to be before plastics.
It's crazy.
Imagine if it's unavoidable.
You can't get it out of humans.
And it's just going to keep feminizing males and turning their taints into smaller and smaller little patches of land.
brian redban
Well, then finally, it doesn't matter, you know, we could have guys and girls play the same sports together, right?
unidentified
One day.
Maybe that's where we're headed.
brian redban
Yeah, maybe it's already started.
joe rogan
Well, maybe that's what this obsession with gender thing is about.
Maybe this is all like a natural process that turns us into that look, that alien look, you know, with genderless...
Big giant heads and spindly bodies and you can read minds.
I bet that's exactly what's happening.
I know that sounds stupid.
I really do.
I know it sounds stupid.
But maybe that's what's happening.
Can you imagine if that's really what the fucking deal is?
That it's just, this is how the animal evolves.
Like, the only way we're gonna get past, like, all the horrible things we do, like war and murder and rape and torture and thievery and deception, all the things that humans do that's awful.
It's all tied to these monkey instincts we have.
It's all tied to being an ancient primate species that has evolved to this point.
The things that are holding us back are all these biological needs.
tim dillon
You know, the need for food, the greed, and fucking envy, and rage.
joe rogan
Those are all emotions.
unidentified
If we could just get rid of those, that would be nice.
joe rogan
Now you see super genius people that are not very emotional.
What if that is like a move towards a new kind of human being?
What if all this stuff is a move towards a new type of- and then while this is all happening, they inject technology into your body.
There's a neural link or something along those lines.
And you can fucking move things with your mind now.
You don't even need arms.
That's probably where we're going.
It's probably not that far away either, like 100 years, 200 years.
brian redban
I'm more concerned about that artificial intelligence, that Google guy that quit or got fired.
Have you heard about this?
joe rogan
Yes.
brian redban
Oh, you already talked about it.
Yes.
joe rogan
No, I talked about it with a guy who understands these things yesterday, Mark Andreessen.
It's really interesting because I'm too dumb to really know.
I mean, I'm not very informed about like how these things work, what these programs work.
But what he was saying that made a lot of sense, he goes, this thing is using Google and it's literally using like all of the interactions with human beings and it knows responses to like a fucking insane number of questions.
So it can use this program to communicate with you.
And if you ask it to convince you that it's alive, it can figure out how to get the words together.
But if you asked it to convince you that it's not alive, it would also figure out a way to form that.
brian redban
But that alone is like what a human can do.
It could either, you know, act or...
joe rogan
That's the problem.
The problem is I think we're waiting for like an energy that propels it, like a soul, right?
Because if it already has all of...
Like most people's lives, You're interacting with people, you're learning from these interactions, you read about things that inspire you to be better, maybe you watch a documentary about someone that's really cool and inspires you to be better, and you're learning about what it means to be a person.
Well, if they can just do that and just download it off the internet instantaneously and become infinitely smarter than you'll ever be, the only thing that's missing is like a soul, like a thing that makes them act.
brian redban
That's why they're going to find out mixing technology with that and like a frog or something that has a soul, something that's stupid.
Well, that frog probably has a soul, but we can use that soul, upgrade the soul, put it into a robot.
joe rogan
Oh my God, imagine if they start extracting souls.
brian redban
Yeah, from frogs.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Google engineer Blake, how do you say that?
brian redban
LeMoyne?
joe rogan
LeMoyne is a priest and Christian mystic.
Well, now I believe him more.
All of his claims about sentience, personhood, and rights, Blake LeMoyne wrote on Twitter on Saturday, are rooted in religious convictions as a priest.
His arguments, therefore, pre-theoretic, he says.
In a previous Medium post about the question of religious discrimination at Google, LeMoyne describes himself as a Christian mystic He also notes his sincerely held religious beliefs in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
That sounds like a guy who's done mushrooms.
Right?
That's what it sounds like.
Probably has.
Probably micro doses.
Why does that work?
unidentified
Definitely.
joe rogan
He's a Christian mysticism as a sense of some form of contact with a divine or transcendent.
A union with God is not so much a doctrine as a method of thought.
Okay.
Why is that so weird?
I mean, that's just as weird as all of the religions.
That's just as weird as being a Mormon.
I don't give a fuck.
Whatever makes you happy, you know?
But if he's right, he's working with What does it say?
Jamie keeps coming with the facts.
He became ordained as a Christian priest and served in the U.S. Army before studying the occult and is an outlier at Google for being religious from the South and standing up for psychology as a respectable science.
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
That was according to the Washington Post's write-up about him.
joe rogan
But what does that mean?
What does that mean for standing up for psychology as a respectable science?
What does that have to do with anything?
jamie vernon
I think it's saying he's labeled an outlier at Google for that reason, which is in quotes, and that might be what he said.
It's not saying who said that quote.
joe rogan
But isn't it a weird quote?
Because they're saying he's an outlier, but then they're...
Listen to the quote.
For being religious from the South and standing up for psychology as a respectable science.
brian redban
Yeah, what's that even mean?
joe rogan
What does that mean?
What does that have to do with him coming out about AI? Does that have anything to do with it?
brian redban
They're attacking his beliefs.
joe rogan
Well, it's a weird...
Well, I guess they're saying that someone...
So that's his quotes.
That's what they're saying.
That he was saying that he was standing up for psychology as a respectable science.
But what the fuck does that have to do with AI? Am I missing something?
It was in his capacity as a priest, therefore not a scientist, that he concluded that LAMDA was a sentient being.
He said, I know a person when I talk to it.
Oh, LeMoyne told the Post.
It doesn't matter whether they have a brain made of meat in their head or if they have a billion lines of code.
I talk to them and I hear what they have to say.
And that is how I decide what is and isn't a person.
Oh my God!
brian redban
So yeah, he's just a religious nut that thinks it's alive.
You know, he got tricked.
joe rogan
But what does it mean to be alive, right?
We have so much value we place on something being alive.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
I mean, it's fucking interesting.
brian redban
It's the soul thing, though.
unidentified
The soul thing is wild.
brian redban
And if you think about it, I think any living creature, bugs, mice, rats, frogs, all have souls.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do they think that, though?
Like, when people are really nutty with the soul thing, do they think crickets have souls?
brian redban
I think so.
I think any living thing has a soul.
Even trees.
joe rogan
Do you kill crickets?
brian redban
I don't try to, but I don't give a shit if I do.
joe rogan
I always try not to kill him.
brian redban
Crickets?
joe rogan
It's the only bug that's in my house that doesn't get whooped.
Right?
If you catch a roach in your house, he's dead, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Spider, most likely dead.
unidentified
Flies.
joe rogan
I've been bitten by spiders.
brian redban
Fuck flies.
unidentified
Fuck all flies.
brian redban
I hate all flies.
joe rogan
Flies can eat shit, right?
They all die.
Ants die.
brian redban
Fuck ants die.
joe rogan
Everybody dies.
But crickets, you gotta catch them and throw them outside.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
brian redban
That is kind of weird.
jamie vernon
Why?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Don't you feel like that, though?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I have no animosity towards crickets.
jamie vernon
Locusts?
joe rogan
I feel bad for them.
I want to get them outside.
brian redban
That's how I feel about those little June bugs or whatever.
I feel like they're special-need bugs because they're always flying around and falling on the ground.
jamie vernon
What about the little clear ones that are creepy as all hell?
joe rogan
I think there's bugs that choose to be invaders.
And then there's bugs that accidentally get in your house.
And a cricket kind of accidentally gets in your house.
brian redban
Grasshoppers, too?
joe rogan
Yeah, they accidentally get in your house.
I let them go, too.
But the ones that are trying to live in your house can eat shit.
unidentified
Fuck off!
jamie vernon
Crickets are like food for lizards and chameleon.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that's how their life is.
brian redban
They're everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want them to go everywhere.
The thing about grasshoppers, this is one of the things I found out when I was reading about locusts.
Do you know grasshoppers and locusts are kind of the same thing?
And that a locust is like a transition, like the grasshopper will become a locust.
I think it's a population thing with a temperature thing.
jamie vernon
It's like when you let a hog out, it becomes feral.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
jamie vernon
It's probably not exactly the same thing, no, but it's kind of like it.
joe rogan
See, what it says is, like, what makes a grasshopper become a locust?
Because there's a thing that happens, and they kind of transform.
I hope I'm not fucking this up.
But I'm pretty sure that, like, those old...
You know, Little House on the Prairie days when they have, like, locust storms.
I think those are just grasshoppers.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I just think that something happens to them.
jamie vernon
Locusts are grasshoppers.
unidentified
Aha!
jamie vernon
That develop gregarious characteristics.
joe rogan
Gregarious?
What does that mean?
unidentified
I can define that word real quick.
joe rogan
Gregarious sounds like polite conversation.
What is that word?
brian redban
He's gregarious.
joe rogan
Right?
Doesn't it sound like?
Oh, he's gregarious in conversation.
jamie vernon
Sociable?
joe rogan
Yeah, fond of company, sociable.
jamie vernon
Living in flocks.
brian redban
So it's just a grasshopper that talks a lot?
joe rogan
So they're real social.
Locusts are grasshoppers that are developing social characteristics?
jamie vernon
They morph into locusts, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
So often they thrive in environmental conditions that allow them to form into organized groups.
And these conditions include thick vegetation growth after droughts.
In such conditions, locusts reproduce at a fast rate and move into large swarms.
While making stops at any patch of greenery they'll come across.
Since they cover long distances in a short time, locusts often cause extensive damage to crops.
Oh, wow.
jamie vernon
Yeah, and grasshoppers rarely group up like that or swarm.
joe rogan
So when they group up like that, that's when they get crazy.
jamie vernon
Change color.
joe rogan
Wow!
They change color.
It says these insects typically come in a dark yellow, brown or green, but their color pattern can change when they enter the migratory or swarming phase.
Adult locusts are distinguished from females By the shape of the abdomens, in male locusts, the tip of the abdomen is rounded because of the subgenital plate that conceals the reproductive organs, and females, the tip of the eye...
What color did they become?
jamie vernon
Dark yellow.
joe rogan
But they change when they enter into the swarming phase.
jamie vernon
This is a solitary female, which I'd imagine would be a grasshopper, could lay 180 eggs while the gregarious one only does 80. Huh.
brian redban
And it happens from their serotonin.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Just like grasshoppers, locusts are herbivores, therefore they cause severe crop damage when they invade a field of crop.
Locusts tend to move in large groups to fly over long distances during their gregarious phase.
Insect physiologists establish that serotonin, a brain chemical, transforms solitary locusts into swarming insects.
So really it's like they get happy, they get a little happy drug, and they go into a swarming phase.
It makes you wonder what we're doing, giving people all these kind of wacky brain chemicals, experimenting with what makes you feel better.
What makes you feel better, Brian?
Does this make you feel better, Brian?
Try this one.
That one makes you feel sad?
Try this one.
That one makes me feel great.
Everything is great.
It's great.
unidentified
Oh, we got it.
joe rogan
I think we got the one.
I think we got the right mixture for you.
brian redban
Fuck that.
jamie vernon
Non-spoiler alert, watch Spider-Head if that sounds interesting to you.
joe rogan
What is Spider-Head?
jamie vernon
A new movie on Netflix.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Who's in it?
jamie vernon
Thor and Miles Teller from Top Gun.
joe rogan
He's always gonna be Thor.
brian redban
Forever.
Oh god, have you seen the preview for the new Thor movie?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
It's like him and a woman.
It's like Lady Thor.
joe rogan
Why are you mad at Lady Thor?
brian redban
It just seemed really cheesy, but you know what was amazing?
This is what I wanted to tell you.
I got to see Avatar 2 trailer in 3D, and it's coming out in December, but have you seen the trailer for Avatar yet?
joe rogan
I don't think I have.
brian redban
It looks so awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah?
Let's see it.
Let's watch the trailer for Avatar.
I've been excited about this.
For years.
Avatar 1 was an amazing movie.
And it was so visually stunning.
There was so much going on with it.
brian redban
The 3D was insane on it.
And I got to see it in XD. Have you done one of those theaters where the whole chair moves and flies around?
joe rogan
What if you're holding a drink?
unidentified
Yeah, you just gotta deal with that.
brian redban
It's kind of scary, though.
There's jump scares, you're like, oh my god!
Because it feels like somebody just pounded on your back.
It's almost too much.
joe rogan
No, I've never been to one of those.
brian redban
Highly recommend.
unidentified
Wow, it's different when you don't sit in 3D, though.
brian redban
Still looks dope.
joe rogan
You ever do that ride at Disneyland?
Or Disney World, rather?
brian redban
Uh, no.
I haven't been back to Disney in a long time.
joe rogan
Dude, Disney World has two Avatar rides.
One of them is called Flights of Passage.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's a HD thing that you put on these goggles and you sit on a motorcycle-looking thing.
It's one of these dragons.
It looks like a motorcycle.
And then the goggles pop on and then it brings you into this virtual reality world where you're flying on a fucking dragon in the Avatar world.
It's amazing.
I mean, it's fucking amazing.
brian redban
Yeah, I can't wait.
It's been a long time.
This movie's been in the works, what, for like 10 years?
joe rogan
Dude, this movie was so good it made gigantic blue ladies with huge cat eyes hot.
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I've watched a few of those fake porn, too, with the Avatar girl on it.
joe rogan
Oh, they must have those.
brian redban
Oh, yeah, they do.
unidentified
I've seen it.
joe rogan
I knew it.
This looks wild.
unidentified
This family.
jamie vernon
This came out like when the podcast started.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Christmas of 2009. Yeah, this is...
joe rogan
So I think they filmed a bunch of them back to back, right?
brian redban
Yeah, I think there's two at least.
unidentified
God damn, this looks good.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't it interesting?
Every now and then, with that movie, someone can create something that, as a movie, is so visually stunning and so unique that you could have a hundred movies branch off of Avatar, just like Star Wars.
How many Star Wars movies have there been?
It's a fucking shitload now, right?
You could 100% do that because Avatar is like such a it's such an iconic Like feeling you get when you're watching that move you try to watch it again.
You're like wow This movie is fucking great when when they're in the jungle and he almost gets jacked by that giant Rhino looking thing There's so many moments in that movie And yeah, it's like the Pocahontas story.
jamie vernon
It is the Pocahontas story.
joe rogan
It's basically, right?
There's a few of those movies that have the same kind of theme.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
It was Pocahontas, there was another one.
It was like, what did they compare it to?
jamie vernon
Ferngully.
brian redban
Ferngully.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they did compare it to Pocahontas, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's, um...
Yeah, I mean, it's a classic movie.
It's fucking Dances with Wolves.
He becomes a Native American, remember?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brian redban
That's a great movie, too.
joe rogan
That's a fucking great movie.
Come on, son.
You ever watch Yellowstone?
brian redban
No.
What's that?
joe rogan
That's the Kevin Costner TV show where he's got a ranch in Montana.
brian redban
Yellowstone.
joe rogan
It's fucking great.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
It's great.
I'm on season three.
brian redban
Oh, it's out right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
Kevin Costner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Schultz gave it the recommendation.
I was like, okay.
Alright, I trust you.
Solid.
Good show.
brian redban
Did you ever watch the new Dexter?
joe rogan
I did not.
Is it good?
brian redban
Yeah.
You wouldn't think it would be.
But it is.
joe rogan
Did he get jacked again?
Because he got a little skinny for a while.
brian redban
He looks normal-ish.
It's very different.
I don't want to give anything away, but it actually worked, I thought.
joe rogan
Yeah?
brian redban
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good one.
joe rogan
Probably not a good show for today.
Give people ideas.
brian redban
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
You know, having this conversation yesterday about like what contributes to a person doing bad things.
Like what contributes to mass shootings?
What contributes to gun violence?
What contributes to all other than criminals and guns?
Like what contributes?
Does video games play a part?
brian redban
I don't want to say yes, but...
joe rogan
Okay.
brian redban
Let's just wink at each other.
joe rogan
Do violent movies play a part?
brian redban
Anything that glamourifies shooting...
Glamourifies?
Glamourifies.
Anything that glamourifies the...
I mean, I think kids, at least, you know, I hate to say it, but games, I mean, come on.
All the games are about shooting and having guns and how fun they are.
I don't want to even say that, though.
joe rogan
Right.
Here's the thing.
It wouldn't make you shoot somebody.
That's why we can both say that.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
It wouldn't make me shoot somebody just because I saw a video game or played a video game about shooting people.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
But how much of an effect does it have over people that are maybe not...
Not that well educated.
brian redban
Maybe...
Bad parenting.
joe rogan
Bad parenting.
unidentified
I think it's a lot of that.
joe rogan
Maybe bad neighborhood, bad everything.
And then they see that on TV all the time.
You see it in the movies all the time.
It's interesting how Hollywood...
Is like so vocal against gun violence.
Right?
Like there's so many people now that are like, we need gun control, we need gun control.
But they're making these movies where they shoot the fuck out of people.
It's so weird.
That's so weird.
Because if there's ever, if like, if ever somebody wanted to go, hey...
You guys make all these movies making this look cool.
What is the real problem?
Is the real problem people who have guns who don't do anything and are law-abiding citizens?
Or is the real problem people who make movies where it looks awesome to shoot people?
And I'm not saying they're the problem.
I don't think they are.
But that whole problem is a weird problem.
The problem of people wanting to randomly shoot people, that's not good.
That's not a sign of a healthy society.
There's a lot going on there.
We've had a lot of guns for a long time.
This stuff has been ramping up fairly recently in human history.
This is a psychological problem.
jamie vernon
What about duels back in the day when someone would cross you and be like, I'm going to shoot you for talking bad about my family or whatever.
That's not good either.
Come on.
Talk that shit out.
brian redban
Cowboys and Indians.
That started racial shootings, right?
joe rogan
Probably.
I don't think they...
Knew very much about what kind of effect that would have back then.
jamie vernon
I was trying to think about the game.
If someone wanted to make the argument for games being attributable, at what level was it?
Because they haven't always been as good as they are now.
joe rogan
I don't think the argument is that it's all games.
I think the argument is that games play a part...
Instead of trying to pin the blame on movies, there's a lot of factors, right?
There's psychology.
There's people that grow up that are abused, and the way they're tortured when they're young, they have no empathy by the time they're a 20, 21-year-old person.
And people get raised by monsters all over the world.
I mean, it just happens.
It's got a terrible effect on people.
Then you have people that are on all kinds of drugs, all kinds of medications, all kinds of things that could fuck with your mind.
And you have people that are just psychopaths.
You have that too.
You have people with broken brains that want to do things, horrible things.
We have a sick society.
The society's sick.
brian redban
I think it's like your old bit, dude.
I think people need to...
Not everyone can have kids.
You have to, like, earn, you know.
joe rogan
The bit was about that it shouldn't be that easy to make people.
We need to separate having sex from making a person.
Having sex should just be fun.
Let's just make it fun.
And then to make a person, it should be like one of the action movies where the president and the general have to turn the key at the exact same time to activate the nukes.
unidentified
You should be fucking really sure you want to raise a kid.
brian redban
Yeah, because I mean, I think that's with all everything.
I think it is mostly that family and how these kids are being up, you know, they're being stuck in front of a Nintendo or an Xbox.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
He has a babysitter and playing Call of Duty all day.
joe rogan
And there's also some people are just born fucked.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're just born fucked up that they're, you know, there's people that are good people and they have a kid and that kid's fucked.
It's just it's the fucking roll of the dice.
Sometimes it's a lot of things.
What makes a person be able to do, like, a mass shooting?
It's like, we have to figure out what's wrong with people.
You know, taking the weapons away.
If no one had guns, for sure, there'd be no shootings, but that's not realistic.
How are you gonna do that?
We've got to look at this for what it actually is.
Look at it pragmatic.
Instead of wondering how we got here, we've got to figure out how to keep everybody safe.
brian redban
Homeschooling for everybody.
Zoom classes for everybody.
joe rogan
Homeschooling might work if you're really super on the ball and you expose your kid to a lot of other kids and a lot of people.
There's a socializing aspect that I would be skeptical about when it comes to homeschooling.
brian redban
They are.
joe rogan
I'm not opposed to homeschooling.
You know, I know people that have homeschooled their kids, and their kids are great.
There's like a big prejudice that people have, that people homeschool or religious, you know?
brian redban
I think if I had kids, I would homeschool them.
If it wasn't a private school, if I could afford a private school, probably that, but homeschooling probably.
At least their first, I don't know, sixth grades.
joe rogan
Kids need to socialize, man.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They really, really do.
They need to socialize.
It's very important.
They've got to get out with other kids and talk, and that's how we make better people.
You know, I'm not saying that you won't make great people homeschooling your kid, but I'm saying there's a great benefit to kids being around kids and sorting things out for themselves when the parents aren't around.
There's a great benefit to that.
Learning things socially.
brian redban
Yeah, but then maybe that's where you throw the Girl Scouts in, or the Boy Scouts, if they even have those anymore.
joe rogan
I think the Boy Scouts have to let ladies in now, too.
brian redban
Oh.
That's great for the Boy Scouts.
I would have loved that if I had Girl Scouts.
joe rogan
How did that get passed?
jamie vernon
I think it's because no one was joining the Girl Scouts.
joe rogan
Oh, that's fucked.
jamie vernon
They didn't have anywhere for them to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, how many people are worried about leaving their daughters with fucking some creepy people?
jamie vernon
Man.
joe rogan
You hear stories, and it's very rare, but you do hear these stories.
That's what scares people about, like, Google Scoutmaster arrested Molestation.
brian redban
Google those words.
joe rogan
Google those words, right?
I'm not exaggerating.
You'll find a lot of cases.
brian redban
And Boy Scouts were always connected in Ohio to churches.
My Boy Scouts were through my church.
joe rogan
But let me tell you something.
I had a great time at the Boy Scouts.
I went to the Boy Scouts.
I went camping in New Hampshire with a bunch of hoodlums.
Long Island Scoutmaster arrested for sexually abusing boy.
North Texas Scoutmaster arrested for indecency.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a lot.
There's a lot.
Former Austin Scoutmaster charged in promoting child porn.
Former Scoutmaster arrested on child indecency.
Oh my God.
There's so many of them.
Scoutmaster arrested on child porn charges.
Assistant Scoutmaster charge of sexually abusing 12-year-old.
Oh, fuck, man.
Don't Google that.
Just trust me.
I did not get molested, but I did almost get dragged out of my tent, or out of our cots, rather, in the middle of the night.
These fucking kids were hoodlums.
They were tying kids up and leaving them in the woods.
They put toothpaste on everybody's clothes.
When I was in the Boy Scouts, we were living in Jamaica Plain.
Jamaica Plain, you want coffee?
Jamaica Plain's been gentrified now, supposedly.
I don't know.
I'm just talking out of my ass from what I've heard.
But where I used to live was not back in the day.
It was a rough neighborhood.
It was interesting because I didn't really have any exposure to bad kids before.
That was, like, my first exposure at, like, 13 to, like, bad kids.
Kids that were criminals.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They'd all had sex.
unidentified
Wow.
brian redban
13?
joe rogan
13. This kid, I'll never forget this kid, Paulie Hudson, who lived next door to me, and he goes, he goes, you probably don't even know how a dick goes in a pussy.
And I go, what do you mean?
And he goes, you probably think it goes in, but it goes up.
And I remember he blew my mind.
I was like, it goes up?
I'm like, he already knows.
I didn't even think about it.
I was like, of course it has to go up.
Where else can it go?
It would poke right out of your butthole.
It wouldn't make any sense.
But it was hilarious.
I was like, these kids are criminals.
They were always lighting things on fire.
We accidentally lit a field on fire once, lighting off firecrackers.
Yeah, the whole field.
We tried to put it out, and then the wind blew.
I'm like, oh, shit.
And we ran to the street, but right when we ran there, a cop car was there.
I just totally confessed to the cop.
The cop goes, get the fuck out of here.
We called the fire department, and they put the fire out, luckily, quick.
brian redban
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But we still, like, there was all these, like, abandoned buildings and shit.
We would go into them and smash windows.
It was really wild.
Like, to be 13 and hanging out with these kids that were, like, they were kind of dangerous.
You know, like, a lot of them wound up going to jail.
A lot of them had already been charged with stuff.
Some of them had done time in juvie.
It's like, fuck.
brian redban
Yeah, I didn't hang out with the bad kids.
I was a nerd.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't hang out with the bad kids, but that time, when we moved, we moved to Newton, which was a much nicer neighborhood.
We were in Newton Upper Falls.
It was like, you know, you had normal like kid beefs and a few street fights and stuff like that, but it was a pretty nice place to grow up.
It wasn't bad at all.
It was fun.
But Jamaica Plain was fucking sketchy.
When I was in, I guess I was in eighth grade.
There was, I went there, yeah, I think, yeah, it was eighth grade.
So I guess I was, that's when I was 13. There was a guy in my class who was 17 years old.
He kept going back to eighth grade.
He wanted to eventually graduate, but he just had been sent back so many times that he would be entering high school.
He'd be like 18 years old entering high school.
Like, can you even do that?
brian redban
I mean, I got held back, and I was 18 the second half of my last year.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's normal.
unidentified
That's okay.
joe rogan
But what year would they say, hey, you can't go to high school anymore?
unidentified
I think 18. What if you start off a loser, right?
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
And you're just sucking your thumb every day in first grade, second grade, third...
They keep holding you back.
Like, Brian, you gotta do second grade again.
Fuck you!
I'm not doing shit!
And they keep failing you.
You can't have all F's and get to third grade.
So they keep holding you back.
And next thing you know, you're 17, but, you know, you have a religious experience.
God comes to you in a dream and tells you, hey man, get your fucking shit together.
You're 17. You gotta graduate eighth grade.
And so you graduate eighth grade, and then you're 18, you go to high school.
Okay.
What's the oldest age to be in high school?
Why it may differ around the world.
The United States, the maximum age limit that a person can attend high school for free is about 20 or 21. In one state, it's 19. In another, it's 26. You think it's 26?
Oh, here's the thing.
brian redban
West Virginia.
joe rogan
Well, let me ask you this.
Here's the thing.
I mean, if you wanted to...
You know there's people that hold their kid back a year because they want their kid to do better in sports.
Did you know that that's a thing?
Mm-hmm.
Because there's real evidence.
And Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers talks about this with professional hockey players.
With professional hockey players...
All the elites, they all were born within a certain time of the year.
And it's not because that's a magic time of the year, but it's because that's like the oldest you can be and still be in like first grade.
The oldest you can be and still be in second grade.
Like, their birthday was just right after the line, and they're considerably more developed than kids that were, like, they barely made it in on the bottom half.
Like, they're barely old enough to get into first grade.
And this guy's barely, he really should be in second grade.
Right?
But if you can get to that spot, your kid will have this 12-month advantage in growth.
And let me tell you something with my kids, you know, it's like, they'll grow.
I'll watch them.
And, like, all of a sudden, they've grown two inches.
It's like, how long did it take you to grow two inches?
And it's like six months.
Like, what the fuck?
This is crazy.
You grew two inches and six.
It sounds like nothing, because it's normal.
But it's wild when you see it happen.
Yeah.
Get a kid that's already grown those two inches and already gained like the X amount of pounds.
And with boys, it's a big one.
Because they start maturing and developing and hormones kick in.
That kid's going to have an advantage at sports.
He's going to be faster than those kids.
He's going to be maybe stronger than those kids.
Maybe his hand-eye coordination will be better.
It's like a lot of factors.
brian redban
I bet that happens a lot.
I didn't even think about that.
unidentified
It happens a lot.
joe rogan
It happens a lot.
So if you were a person who was like...
Competitively inclined and you had children, you want your kids to compete in sports.
Like, there's a lot of those fucking people.
brian redban
There's even schools that, like, hey, he's good, but he could be a lot better if we held him back, you know?
Yes!
joe rogan
Private schools.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guarantee they do.
I mean, I don't think a public school would say that.
jamie vernon
It's big in Little League baseball.
Remember when that kid, they thought he was, like, 20, but he's supposedly, like, 13 or something.
They're like, we need to see the birth certificate.
He's like, he's got a mustache.
unidentified
He's going 90 miles an hour.
What are you doing?
brian redban
Yeah, imagine being 26 in that one state and playing football.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
Yeah, that would be crazy.
Because if you could hold back that long, you'd be so mature.
But once a man reaches, I guess your 20s is when you're in your prime, like physical prime, to maybe 30. And then with athletes, they can kick it deep into the 30s.
You could be an elite athlete.
There's this guy, Artur Beterbiev.
Beterbiev just knocked out Joe Smith Jr. for the light heavyweight title.
This guy is a fucking animal.
He's 18-0 with 18 knockouts.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
He's the only world champion that's in boxing today that has a 100% knockout ratio for every fight he's ever been in.
He's from Chechnya.
This dude is fucking terrifying.
Terrifying, because Joe Smith Jr. is an animal.
I mean, he's this big, power-punching light heavyweight, and Bitterby have fucked him up in two rounds.
What was my point?
brian redban
High school.
jamie vernon
Guess what state it is?
brian redban
West Virginia?
It is?
Of course, because of football.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
Maybe.
But yeah, Texas is the outlier.
brian redban
Oh my god.
I want to know what the oldest person in Texas that played football is.
joe rogan
Now I remember my point.
Beterbiev is like 38. I think he's 38 or 37 or 38, something like that.
Google Artur Beterbiev.
He's a fucking animal.
Most guys by that age that are professional box, he's 37, most guys by that age are starting to slide a little bit physically.
Skill-wise, they can maintain.
Dude, he's a fucking animal.
Google the video of him knocking out Joe Smith Jr., because you can find it online.
He's a fucking animal.
Joe Smith Jr. is a dangerous guy.
He's this big, power-punching guy.
And this Artur Bitterbiev just fucked him up, man.
But it's interesting how he did it.
Joe's real aggressive and powerful, and he just caught him coming in.
His hand speed, the technique of his punches, everything.
And his fucking strength, man.
Dude, all those people from that part of the world, those are some stout fucking people.
brian redban
That's weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this guy is Hamza Chmaev.
He's another guy from Chechnya, and he's an elite guy in the UFC. Like, there it is.
They stopped the fight there.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
And this guy does that to everybody.
He's 18-0 with 18 knockouts, so everybody he's fought.
Gets fucked up like this.
brian redban
Does he know a special place to hit the head?
Because it looks like he hit him in the back of the head.
Maybe it's like a secret.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He hit him on a temple.
Brian's using kung fu.
unidentified
It's not kung fu, bro.
brian redban
Maybe it's right there is what I was thinking.
joe rogan
No.
He's fucking him up with the uppercut right there.
Yeah, that was the uppercut that really did it in.
But it's like everything.
I mean, every punch that he throws is dangerous.
He's an interesting guy because, like, he's a power-punching boxer.
Like, his boxing skill is excellent, but he's such a power-puncher.
He's the most exciting guy in that division right now.
He's really very, very interesting.
And then there's that Bival guy who just beat Canelo.
Did you see that fight?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Same division.
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoo!
joe rogan
Two Russians.
You know?
Well, Chechnya and Russia.
Those are fucking hard-ass people, man.
brian redban
That boxer that died, that was pretty fucked up.
joe rogan
I want to check their plastics.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet they get no plastic in their blood.
brian redban
Zero.
Yeah, that's probably true.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you think about it, if you're living up in Siberia, where are you getting plastic?
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
You're not.
You're just eating antelope every day.
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
That's probably all wrapped in cloth, not even in a refrigerator.
joe rogan
If you're living in Siberia, you're eating moose.
That's what you're eating.
You're eating moose.
You're eating badgers.
You're eating whatever the fuck you eat, whatever you kill.
Salmon.
You're probably eating the healthiest shit that a person can get.
And then you have a long history of people there that have done hard, hard physical work.
You ever see that Happy People, Life on the Taiga documentary about Siberia?
Fuck, it's amazing.
It's so interesting because you almost envy their life.
There's something about people that live like a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, which is essentially what these folks do.
They grow food, but mostly what they're doing is they're hunting meat, and they're trapping fur, and they're gathering fish, and then they're waiting out the winter.
And in the winter, they do a lot of their trapping, and they do it on snowmobiles.
It's weird, man.
It's a weird life.
But these people, they get together, they're all drinking and laughing, and they're all happy.
They have a very low instance of mental illness.
Everybody's fulfilled.
They all have tasks that they have to do all day.
And it's all like...
The guy's making his own snow skis.
He's showing you how to make skis with his fucking Russian accent.
Not Russian accent.
I mean Russian.
He's speaking in Russian.
And it's just...
Captioned over.
But it's an amazing documentary because these people seem so fucking fulfilled.
We're so lost.
We think we're so lucky.
We think we're so lucky with our phones and our videos and our Instagrams and our fucking flying around on planes.
Meanwhile, we're all miserable and disconnected and people go, how about this pill, Brian?
Does this make you feel better?
How about this one?
Do we get the right spot?
We got the right spot!
unidentified
Yay!
joe rogan
These people, all they do is drink vodka and eat moose, and drive around on snowmobiles, and they're having a blast.
brian redban
Sounds fun.
Sounds like a vacation.
joe rogan
Let me show a clip from it.
It's an interesting documentary.
Werner Herzog has two of my all-time favorite documentaries.
There's that one, and then there's Grizzly Man.
brian redban
Grizzly Man.
joe rogan
Which is like...
brian redban
The best documentary in the whole entire world.
joe rogan
Yeah, it might be.
So this is these people that live...
This is where they live.
They live right off the Taiga River.
And in the wintertime, that river freezes solid.
And they use it as a road.
And they use it as a road to drag their shit across and to ride snowmobiles across.
They all have dogs that they've trained.
And these people live there.
And this one guy's been up there for fucking decades.
This one main guy that he follows a lot.
He's really interesting.
He was dropped off there by the former Soviet Union like way back in the day with very little understanding of how to survive with a dog.
And he was like, that dog kept me alive.
That dog fed me.
And so him and his dog would go out hunting.
The other guy that he was supposed to be with I think bailed.
But it's an amazing story.
This guy had to figure out how to survive on the taiga and now he loves it and now they all talk about it like this is they would never want to do anything else because their life there is just it's so natural and They just live off this crazy river in this frozen part of the world where you can only survive outside for like a certain amount of time and they're all furred up and Does it explain how he found this guy?
No, he didn't.
No, I mean, Herzog's a genius.
His other documentary that's really interesting, too, is about the cave paintings that they found in France.
Have you ever seen that?
They found these cave paintings in France and I want to say they're like 30,000 years old or something.
Something insane.
See what it says?
They found those and they did this exploration of the cave and they filmed it.
And, you know, this is stuff that probably hadn't been seen by human eyes for like who knows how many years.
And so these people are discovering this in this cave and looking at it and it's amazing.
It's like there's no more vivid snapshot in time than looking at some stuff that people drew when they were like the first people to draw things.
You know?
I mean, these are the most primitive of people.
They're living in caves, literally.
I mean, who knows what kind of weapons they had?
Who knows how they were doing this?
But these people...
They all, deep in this cave, they all lived and they drew shit on the walls.
And so here they are finding this stuff.
brian redban
Very long taints they've had probably also.
joe rogan
Their taints were giant.
Their taints were like your whole forearm.
It's really, really interesting, man, because these images are fucking cool as shit.
Look at these images.
brian redban
That's cool.
joe rogan
So there was some kind of cats that they were trying to get away from.
They drew that.
They drew antelopes.
Yeah, look at these.
They drew rhinos.
It's wild, man.
Wild shit.
What are they saying was the age of those paintings?
Does it say?
Find out what the age of those paintings are.
Because it's just like...
I don't know.
Because, well, Denisovans, they just figured them out pretty recently.
Well, a lot of Neanderthals were in France.
Europe had a lot of Neanderthals.
But I think they think those were Homo sapiens that made that.
I don't think they think...
I think they think Neanderthals did some stuff like that.
Like, they did have weapons.
They did have tools.
But I just don't think they were as sophisticated.
I don't know if they drew shit.
Because those are really good drawings.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like the cat's face is perfect.
brian redban
I wonder if it's just like one guy was really good at art, you know?
He was like the Banksy of cavemen.
This is all him.
joe rogan
Yeah, here it goes.
It's Chauvet, what do you say, Chauvet?
Chauvet Cave paintings.
Chauvet Cave's importance is based on two factors.
Firstly, the aesthetic quality of these Paleolithic cave paintings, and secondly, their great age.
With one exception, all of the cave art paintings have been dated between 30 and 33,000 years ago.
So 33,000 years ago, humans are living in caves.
And they're killing animals and then documenting on the cave wall what they did and what they're after and what they want and documenting things to avoid, documenting things they experienced.
What were people like back then?
Can you imagine going 33,000 years ago and just being a fly on the wall and watching people exist if they didn't know you were there?
Just being able to just observe silently and invisibly.
What a wild life that must have been.
They probably barely figured out clothes, right?
brian redban
I hope not.
That's what I was thinking.
It's like hot chicks with, you know, just hairy armpits.
joe rogan
I bet everything would be hairy.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet people back...
I mean, what did they look like?
Were they covered in hair?
brian redban
Monkeys.
joe rogan
I mean, but that's no, because those are homo sapiens.
Right?
The thought is that the homo sapien, like us, we've been around for, I think they think it's a quarter million years.
Right?
Isn't that what they think?
But there's dudes that have like hair, like George the Animal Steel, remember that pro wrestler?
His entire body's covered in hair.
Like everything.
His whole back is like your beard.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
brian redban
Wow, you should see my back.
unidentified
Bah!
joe rogan
But like if you look at a guy like that like Georgie Animal Steel Like what was that how all people looked 33,000 years ago?
He's covered in hair.
He was great.
What a character.
Look at that fucking hair on him.
Look at the hair on him.
I mean everything is covered in hair and And there was that one Russian wrestler, remember?
There's this one, like, really elite Russian wrestler that's crazy hairy.
I mean, he just looks like he's the ultimate male.
So, like, is that what people looked like 33,000 years ago?
You think?
brian redban
I think so.
joe rogan
Probably.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't mean, like, a pro wrestler.
He's, like, a real wrestler.
Not that pro wrestlers aren't real wrestlers.
I mean, like, amateur wrestler.
He's, um...
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
I forget his name.
I'm not going to get it.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that guy.
There it is.
brian redban
Oh jeez.
Why didn't he just trim it up a little?
joe rogan
His name is, boy, I don't want to fuck this up, Ketuev Georgie.
I think, I hope I didn't fuck that up, but that dude is hairy as fuck.
Look at him, he's a werewolf!
brian redban
That is crazy.
joe rogan
He's a werewolf.
So, do you think that people all looked like that 33,000 years ago, right?
They probably had to have hair on them because you have to be able to regulate your temperature in some way.
They're probably way hairier than that dude.
Because you think about that dude, that dude's alive today, right?
And he looks like a throwback, right?
Like a throwback super male.
brian redban
I bet women were that hairy.
joe rogan
Right, that's only, this is like a rare guy for this era.
But what if that was like way more common 20 years, or 100 years before that, and way more common 100 years before that?
And you go back to these fucking people, they're probably fully furred up.
They could still be people and be fully furred up, right?
unidentified
Probably super jacked.
joe rogan
Probably shredded.
brian redban
Or would they be super malnourished?
joe rogan
They would be malnourished too.
I bet they would be small, right?
brian redban
Fragile bones, because no one had milk.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
All they ate was meat.
Like Neanderthals in specific, they had much thicker bones than us.
Neanderthals were like, they were like 5'7", 205 pounds.
They were big fucking weird looking things.
Like if you saw one, you know, it looked like an MMA fighter, but with a fucked up head.
Like giant ass long arms, big thick ass bones.
Do you remember that crazy guy?
There was some guy who was trying to propose this theory that Neanderthals were super predators and that they would look more like a gorilla than they would like a human being and that we probably went to war with them.
It was like really crazy because Anthropologists, like, shut the fuck up.
But it was so fun.
I was like, God, I hope he's right.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I hope he's right.
Because he had these images of them.
They looked like something out of, like, a movie.
Like, if you went to the jungle, they found a new super species of ape.
That's what he drew Neanderthals.
He made, like, an artistic depiction of Neanderthals look like.
But they had, like, giant muscles and shit.
They looked terrifying.
Do you remember that, Jamie?
It's nonsense though, right?
jamie vernon
I'm just looking, there's an aquatic ape theory is one theory on why we've lost.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good one.
jamie vernon
That's a theory.
joe rogan
That's a good one, but see if you can find that Neanderthal thing.
Because those Neanderthal guys, the one where he's the killer Neanderthal, I think it's wildly discredited, by the way.
This is 100% bullshit.
But, Brian and I had some pot.
unidentified
That's the fun shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not misinformation, but yeah, here it is.
So look at what it looks like.
It looks like a monster.
So this is this guy's idea.
So, Neanderthals were not the gentle, almost human creatures portrayed in the media over the last 50 years.
New Australian research revealed that they were aggressive, powerful, and terrifying carnivores, ruthlessly inefficient apex predators, who hunted, raped, and ate early humans for over 50,000 years.
Neanderthals daily diet consisted of two kilograms of meat, the equivalent of 16 quarter pounders, including, included human flesh.
So this guy's saying that we hunted them to extinction because they ate us.
Based on new research, Australian independent scholar I love that.
Independent scholar.
I don't need your stinking university and all your checks and balances.
Based on the research, Australian independent scholar Danny Vendramini has developed a Neanderthal predation theory which argues that the evolution of modern humans, including our unique physiology, sexuality, and human nature, is the result of a reaction to this systematic Long-term sexual predation and cannibalism by Eurasian Neanderthals.
Look at the images that he created of it.
So convincing.
That's really what they looked like?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
If instead of having a human-like nose, they had a gorilla-like nose, and they had dark, dark skin and crazy fangs.
Look how scary that thing looks.
Imagine if that was a thing that...
Click to enlarge.
Imagine if that was real, and that was a thing that ate people.
But fuck people too, right?
Because I have 57% more Neanderthal than most people.
brian redban
You do?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Is that a test?
Like a 24 and me?
joe rogan
Yeah, 23 and me, 24 and me.
So that was my ancestors?
Someone looked like that?
That guy's not right, though, right?
They don't think he's right.
jamie vernon
I wouldn't imagine so.
brian redban
I wouldn't think so, yeah.
joe rogan
But can you imagine?
We know that humans eat humans.
If Neanderthals were stronger than us, why wouldn't they eat us?
jamie vernon
He's got one guy that backs him up at Stony Brook University.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
All right, let's just shut the laptop now and start running with this as fact.
They were monsters!
brian redban
Stony Brook, man.
We believe you.
joe rogan
Can you imagine just being a person back before we figured out how to make a door?
How did they keep things from getting into that cave?
How did you keep your kids alive?
brian redban
It makes you kind of wonder, though, also, when there's nothing invented, that you sit there and go, man, we should have a door.
Like, if you're just constantly thinking of new things.
Like, wheels seem like they make sense.
I mean, I invented 42 things today.
joe rogan
Well, they needed some sort of shelter just to be able to formulate ideas.
You're always running for your life.
Imagine if you're a person like you or me, and we just live in the woods.
You're running for your life.
You don't have any clothes.
How are you ever going to figure out a wheel?
You don't have time.
You just want to get food and stop things from eating your kids.
brian redban
You'd probably be fucking all the time, too.
Like, just gross fucking all day.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Probably so horny.
Well, I would imagine that there was, like, an incredible urge for those early humans to breed because they got knocked off so quick.
Like, you know, like any ant—like dogs, right?
Dogs want—you leave dogs wild, they fuck, and they stray populations of dogs.
I think human beings, if we were getting eaten all the time, you know, half a million years ago, whatever it was, I bet we were horny constantly because you had to fuck just to make a new person.
And it was probably a numbers game.
How many animals have actually been picked off by other animals to the point of extinction?
You know, because we know that human beings have caused animals to go extinct, but like I wonder how many animals have caused other animals to go extinct.
Like where they were just, the balance was off, like the tigers were so good at getting the deer that there was no deer left.
I wonder how many times that's happened.
brian redban
That happens a lot.
joe rogan
Well, it seems like that would be the test of nature, though, right?
That's how nature tests out a species.
And I think the number is somewhere in the 90s, like, more than 90% of all species that have ever existed are extinct.
Which is weird, right?
Because we don't want anything to go extinct.
Like, we don't want to keep the dodo bird.
What about the dodo?
We lost the dodo.
We lost the dodo.
I mean, I don't want the dodo to be extinct.
brian redban
There should be a couple around.
joe rogan
I wish they were around.
I wish they were doing great.
I wish nothing but love for the dodos.
But it's a weird thing to freak out about.
Cats are number one.
The number one invasive killer of species around the world.
According to research published in this month's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, feral cats can be blamed for 63 modern extinctions.
brian redban
Wow.
Good job.
joe rogan
Wow.
Fucking cats.
But out in the world...
See, that's an invasive species thing.
I think that's how nature has settled in after all these years.
I bet if people weren't around, we could study it in a more interesting way.
If people weren't around and you could see lions and zebras and follow them over a hundred years and figure out how the populations expand and recede and what makes more zebras, what makes more lions and how it all plays out.
Because it's a weird dance of things that want to eat things.
And some things are eating the green things, and there's other things trying to eat them.
And it's all just trying to balance it out.
Because if you just let the green things grow, they fucking grow all over the place, and there's too much green shit.
And if you just let the things that eat the green things, fuck, they'll eat all the green things.
There won't be anything green, because these motherfuckers are going to eat them for the time they're sprouts.
And so you've got to get something that eats them.
And that's where the cats come in.
Bro, fuck living there.
Can you imagine?
More than 99% of all organisms that have ever lived on Earth are extinct.
As new species evolve to fit, ever-changing ecological niches, older species fade away, but the rate of extinction is far from constant.
Wow.
99%.
So when they talk about a mass extinction event...
You know, that so many things are going extinct.
But 99% of everything that's ever existed has been extinct, right?
brian redban
That seems kind of crazy, because we haven't heard of 99% of all the...
Here's a list of everything that's extinct, right?
joe rogan
Well, I guess everything, when you go back to, like, dinosaurs and ancient fossils and megalodons and shit, things that we pretty much know are extinct.
Megadon's one I hold out hope for.
brian redban
Megadon?
Sounds like a new variant.
unidentified
Here comes Megadong.
joe rogan
I'm trying to get that Megadong variant.
Megadong variant makes your hog grow.
No, a megalodon.
Giant shark.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
I was just reading something about them yesterday that they just think they were just these huge ruthless predators.
They just ate whales and shit.
brian redban
Ate whales?
Yeah, they were huge.
joe rogan
Megadons are gigantic.
There's like a movie, The Meg.
It was so dumb.
But I watched it.
brian redban
I watched it.
joe rogan
I was excited.
That's how big a Megalodon's mouth was.
brian redban
So whales aren't bigger than that?
joe rogan
No, whales are bigger than that, but they ate whales.
brian redban
Oh, I see.
joe rogan
They would just chew on them.
But whales do that now.
I mean, sharks do that now with whales.
When whales die, specifically.
It's wild, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Do you know who kills whales?
brian redban
Human race.
joe rogan
Killer whales.
brian redban
Oh.
joe rogan
Look at the difference in teeth between a regular shark teeth and a Megadon tooth.
Holy fuck.
Just holy fuck, dude.
brian redban
That tooth has a butt crack in it, too.
joe rogan
That tooth is so big.
That tooth looks like a hoof.
brian redban
Yeah.
What the hell?
joe rogan
That's how big their fucking teeth were?
Megadon shark extinction may have been linked to great...
brian redban
Oh, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
It's alright.
What'd it say?
To great white...
Great white competition.
Hmm.
So the great whites out-ate them.
Maybe they just ran out of shit to eat.
Maybe that was one of those things where it's just, hey man, this is a bad design.
You guys just take up too much calories.
Look at the size of the fucking mouth of that thing.
Make that a little smaller so we can see the full scope of it.
Look at that, man.
Nature's just so fascinating.
Nature's like, listen, it's too easy to survive in this ocean.
We've got to figure out a way.
jamie vernon
How many do you think there were?
Thousands?
Millions?
brian redban
It was the last one.
jamie vernon
20 of them.
brian redban
Did it recently?
joe rogan
Well, there had to be more than 20. I think there's a lot of megalodon teeth, which probably indicates there's a lot of megalodon.
brian redban
They're probably still hiding, too, right?
joe rogan
No, I don't think so.
I don't think they believe that.
jamie vernon
That's super fake stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think they believe it.
I think they think they're really sure.
But, you know, the ocean's so goddamn big.
The ocean is so big, but that's a big animal.
I mean, that's a big animal.
With all the people traveling back and forth in boats after all these years, you would think there'd be one legitimate sighting.
I think they have some legitimate sightings of sharks that are extraordinarily large.
I want to say the biggest one...
What's the biggest great white shark?
jamie vernon
There's that one off the coast of Massachusetts.
It's called Big...
I'll check it.
brian redban
Wicked Big.
joe rogan
Wicked.
It's piss-a.
Wicked piss-a big.
jamie vernon
They call it deep blue.
joe rogan
Deep blue.
jamie vernon
How big is it?
unidentified
Estimated 20 feet, 5,500 pounds.
Jesus fucking Christ.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude.
God.
That's so big.
Just a giant eating machine.
jamie vernon
22 feet estimated, I guess.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
The average length of a great white shark, female, is 15 to 16 feet and male is 11 to 13 feet.
Wow.
Fuck those things.
jamie vernon
Dude, did you ever watch that jackass thing where the guy got his fucking hand bit?
unidentified
No!
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was like in the middle of filming.
joe rogan
By a shark?
jamie vernon
They were doing a stunt and he got in the water and it fucking got him.
joe rogan
Oh, gee, how bad did his hand get fucked up?
jamie vernon
Not good.
He still has his hand, but like he had to go through surgeries and like...
brian redban
They didn't put it in the movie either, did they?
jamie vernon
No, I believe it was in like, you know, like they did promotion for like Shark Week or something like that.
I think it was on that.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
Fuck that.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, fuck that.
Dude!
jamie vernon
Shout out poopies.
brian redban
Poopies.
joe rogan
Man.
jamie vernon
Yeah, crazy.
joe rogan
I mean, imagine a biting machine that's filled with a mouthful of knives.
That's what it is.
Mouthful of bone knives.
And your fucking hand got caught in that.
Don't show me this.
Don't you fucking show me this, Jamie.
unidentified
Shut it.
brian redban
Shut it.
joe rogan
I'm scared of sharks more than any other predator, I think.
Because you know how helpless you are in the water.
Like, you're so slow.
You know, you can't defend yourself.
You can't get out of the way.
brian redban
Yeah, water scares me.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to save them here.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, get this off the air.
I don't need this in my life, Jamie.
brian redban
You see that thing that was outside of the Texas Zoo that no one could figure out what it is?
That walking...
joe rogan
That's not funny.
brian redban
You don't think it's anything?
joe rogan
No.
They would have more pictures of it.
What that is is a person.
It's like a person.
They got a weird blurry picture of them because their camera sucks.
Why is the picture so shitty?
I would want my money back.
brian redban
It's a security camera.
joe rogan
If that was my security camera, I'd be like, what the fuck?
I can't even tell what that is.
brian redban
True.
Why does all security cameras, like, look at that.
Literally the shittiest.
That is, yeah, it looks kind of like a, that or like a...
joe rogan
It's a werewolf jacking off.
That's what it looks like, a werewolf fingering his butt while he's jacking off.
brian redban
Did they just have a single picture or did they have video of this?
jamie vernon
I would imagine they have video, but they're only showing you a single picture because the video would make it look clear or fake.
brian redban
Give it away?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
brian redban
This is just promotional for a zoo?
joe rogan
It's nonsense, son.
That shit's nonsense.
jamie vernon
It never gained entry, whatever it was.
joe rogan
It never gained entry.
Not yet.
Not yet.
jamie vernon
It could still be out there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would like a monster or two to be real.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if they found a real vampire?
People have just been missing.
He doesn't turn them into vampires.
He just kills them.
He only has to eat once a week.
brian redban
I'm more to believe that there's zombies out there.
I think zombies could be a real thing.
Have you ever looked at a video of people that are dying from rabies?
That's the closest to a zombie.
joe rogan
Well, I have watched Biden talk.
I think it's the same thing.
brian redban
Leave that poor guy alone.
joe rogan
I think vampires...
I think there's a scientific analysis that said vampires couldn't exist because the whole human race would be extinct.
brian redban
Why?
joe rogan
Because the whole human race would be necessary to feed them.
Like if one eats one, like how long it takes to develop a fully grown adult human being that you're gonna eat.
So if they suck everybody's blood, they'll just run out of people.
If they have to suck blood every day, they'll kill everybody.
brian redban
Depends if they need only human blood, because they could just live off a cow.
joe rogan
Now you're watching Twilight.
brian redban
I just re-watched that the other day.
unidentified
He only ate deer.
joe rogan
He was such a good person.
Slash vampire.
brian redban
I re-watched that the other day.
It does not hold up.
It never held up.
joe rogan
It held up for girls.
They'll get damp in the panties watching that fellow.
brian redban
You know what's good?
Starship Troopers.
Have you seen that?
joe rogan
Starship Troopers is great.
brian redban
I just re-watched that last night.
joe rogan
It's a great movie.
brian redban
That naked scene when they're all just naked taking a shower.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
What the fuck?
brian redban
That's how it should be.
joe rogan
That was a good movie.
brian redban
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
That was a fun movie.
brian redban
Yep, and it held up.
joe rogan
Giant bugs.
Because we've always said that.
Imagine, we were watching the other day this praying mantas eat a wasp.
brian redban
Nice.
joe rogan
It's on my Instagram, one of those, I follow a lot of those, like, brutal nature- Nature Kim is metal.
And this praying mantis just has a clamp down on this wasp, and it's just eating it alive.
It's like you holding Marshall.
That's what it's like.
Because it's like half his size, right?
It's like you holding a medium-sized dog and just eating it alive.
That's what this praying mantis is doing.
And I've always thought, we're so lucky they're little.
The only way humans exist is if praying mantises are tiny little things.
Because if they were big, we would be in deep shit, dude.
Look at this thing.
Look at this thing.
brian redban
Ass first.
Love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but look at the strength, first of all.
Like, the wasp is not doing shit.
And it doesn't even feel remotely stressed out while it just chews.
In this most alien way, look at its eyes and its antenna.
That is a bizarre and ruthless creation of nature.
I don't think we appreciate how fucking fantastic they are because they're so little.
But look at that thing.
You know they catch hummingbirds?
brian redban
Yeah, I've seen those videos.
That's disturbing shit, too.
joe rogan
That's wild.
Look at that thing.
brian redban
They're such creeps.
They're such creeps.
Those are aliens.
joe rogan
Those are aliens.
brian redban
Yeah, that's Starship Troopers or whatever, right there.
joe rogan
So, the only reason why we can be as big as we are is because they're small.
There's no way we would ever make it to this size if they were like big giant things.
They would have eaten us all.
We would have never made it.
We'd still be hiding in the trees where the grasshoppers and fucking praying mantises can't get to us.
So that was Starship Troopers.
Giant bugs.
brian redban
Yep.
joe rogan
And I think bullets would bounce right off those fucking things.
brian redban
Yeah, they're shells.
They would have like armor and shit.
joe rogan
Bro, they go to war with each other.
That thing.
brian redban
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
unidentified
Jack, son.
brian redban
Bad idea.
Bad idea.
joe rogan
You got Jack, son.
Look at that.
jamie vernon
That's crazy.
brian redban
Why is he not doing anything with his feet and legs?
joe rogan
Because he can't.
He's got a fucking barb in his skull.
Dude, look what he's doing to his head.
jamie vernon
Oh, God.
brian redban
This is so gross.
Why would...
joe rogan
And he starts just eating them.
No, he gets them again.
brian redban
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
But look at that.
brian redban
He's chewing his lip.
joe rogan
That lizard just got cocky and thought, and he'd get them again.
That lizard got cocky.
Look, he's eating his eyeballs, bro.
brian redban
I don't like it.
joe rogan
That lizard got cocky and thought he was going to be able to fuck with a praying mantis.
Play that lizard part again.
unidentified
Because the lizard started it.
joe rogan
This lizard is a dick.
Look at him.
He's a dick.
He's like, get off my fucking branch.
He opened his mouth.
I'm gonna fuck you up.
No, you're not, bitch.
Not today, motherfucker.
Look at the pressure on his head.
Look at the pressure.
That thing is immensely strong.
I mean, that's really amazing.
brian redban
When he's eating the cheek or the lip.
joe rogan
He's just eating his mouth while it's forced and wedged open by his forearm.
This armored forearm.
Look how it's doing it.
And then finally he gets loose, he's like, what the fuck was that about?
But he's so dumb, he stays.
brian redban
Yeah, he's stupid.
joe rogan
And now he's getting eaten alive.
They're amazing, man.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
That's an amazing creature of nature, because it's not that big.
So you look at how big a lizard is.
I think of lizards like dinosaurs.
Like, oh my god, dinosaurs must have been insane, big lizards.
But a lizard ain't shit compared to one of these.
jamie vernon
Remember how we've shown a bunch of pictures of how cool they get?
Oh, the colors.
This one's clear.
They look like flowers sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They disguise themselves.
They disguise themselves.
Oh, it's one.
Cannibalism.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look how he's just eating that bug.
I don't think they can be penetrated by most of the things that they eat.
They're so durable.
I think their claws, like if a wasp tried to sting their claws, I'm not sure if it's really getting it.
Got a fucking snake?
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Praying mantis got a snake?
jamie vernon
That's the name of this video.
This is why snakes are afraid of mantises.
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
Look at the size difference.
brian redban
That seems crazy.
jamie vernon
That's a big mantis too, but...
brian redban
Dude.
Yeah, I have a mantis on my back porch, but he's a small baby.
joe rogan
Keep feeding them your local snakes.
brian redban
He eats my toads.
joe rogan
Bro, they're amazing.
It's an amazing...
Look at a mouse!
Holy...
brian redban
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
brian redban
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
That is a monster.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at the size of that mouse.
The mouse, like, physically must weigh more than the praying mantis.
jamie vernon
We should get a couple.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up, you evil person.
brian redban
Get a couple mantises or mice?
jamie vernon
Mantises.
joe rogan
What, and have them around and feed them shit?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bro, Jamie's a psycho.
brian redban
I think, yeah, have it right here.
jamie vernon
It doesn't have to be in here.
We could have it, like, near us.
brian redban
I also think you should just put a big bed here and have Marshall sit right here the whole podcast.
joe rogan
No, Marshall would just run around and get petted by different people.
That's his general move.
He can come in, though.
You want him in here?
brian redban
I always love seeing that little sweet doggy.
joe rogan
Somebody bring Marshall in, please.
He'll come in.
I just hope he doesn't trip over some wires.
But generally what he does is he'll go to Jamie and get petted, and then he'll go to you to get petted, and then he'll go to me.
He does like a cycle.
brian redban
See, that's so awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, that dog is a love sponge.
He's the best.
brian redban
I want to get more dogs.
I'm addicted to him.
joe rogan
Marshall!
unidentified
Hey, boys!
This little guy!
joe rogan
What's happening, pal?
brian redban
Come on up here, pal.
joe rogan
Come on up here.
brian redban
What are you doing?
I love when Marshall...
Do you run Marshall's Instagram?
Do you run Marshall's Instagram?
I love that page.
Marshall's the best.
unidentified
He's the best.
joe rogan
He's got his own little rug here, too.
brian redban
Do you ever let him go?
Do you ever take him to like dog parks or anything like that?
joe rogan
Well, when I lived in California, I took him running in the trails a lot.
We did a lot of these hill running places.
There's a lot of like really nice trails, but I was always worried about rattlesnakes.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because one time, remember I had Frank?
Remember Frank and Lucy, those two dogs I had?
We were running, same trail, and I run over this log.
And as I'm over this log, I realize it's a fucking rattlesnake.
And I'm like, holy shit.
And those two dogs, especially Frank, was crazy.
He got bit by rattlesnakes three times while I had them.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Yeah, because he would bite them.
brian redban
Aren't they poisonous too?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, his face swole up.
It was crazy.
I had to take him to the vet and they give him an anti-venom.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
It's very expensive, too, though.
The antivenom is very expensive, and a lot of people, unfortunately, can't afford it.
I don't know if they have dog insurance.
Do they have dog insurance?
They must.
brian redban
Yes.
joe rogan
So anyway, he didn't notice it.
So he was running ahead of me.
And so I stopped, and I threw a rock and hit the snake, and the snake slithered off into the grass.
But, bro, he was as thick as my fucking forearm.
That was a big-ass rattlesnake.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're out there.
brian redban
Yeah, there's a lot of snakes where I live.
joe rogan
That's what would freak me out about running with Marshall, is rattlesnakes.
Because Marshall, he's barked at dogs, I mean, barked at snakes before, and he got a possum once, which is very weird.
It was like this...
And he didn't do anything to it.
He was like, what the fuck is going on?
It stopped fighting.
It didn't run away.
He didn't try to kill it.
He was just trying to figure out, but he wasn't listening to me.
I was like, come on, man.
brian redban
I was like, come on inside.
joe rogan
Let's go inside.
But he was just fixated.
I'm like, what are you doing over there?
And then I go and I realize he's got a possum.
brian redban
Craziness.
joe rogan
But he's a sweetie.
This is the first Golden Retriever that I've ever had.
They're like literally the best dog.
They're all love, you know?
brian redban
It's one of the dogs, all my friends growing up, my best friends had Golden Retrievers and I've always wanted a Golden Retriever, except I have Golden Retriever poop, which I'm not, I don't like that size of poop.
unidentified
Yeah, you just clean it up.
joe rogan
You love them so much, it doesn't matter.
I love all dogs, but these dogs...
Goldens have a really loving personality, all of them.
They're all very sweet dogs.
brian redban
I've never met a bad golden retriever, I don't think.
joe rogan
Everybody that comes over my house, he's like, you're my friend!
He's got toys, he brings them.
That's the other thing he does.
If he had a toy in here right now, he'd like to show you his toy.
Retrievers want to bring things to you, so they have these little stuffed animals and they bring them to you.
brian redban
I think it is cute, though, how big he is, but yet he still has his little toys.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh no, he's a sweetie.
But all dogs love toys.
They love things to play with and chew on and stuff.
brian redban
Mine don't.
It's weird.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
Yeah, they don't understand what toys are.
joe rogan
Is it because they're real super little?
brian redban
Yeah, they are little.
joe rogan
Maybe that's it.
brian redban
Their mouths can't do anything.
joe rogan
Marshall's gonna chill over here by day.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
He's my buddy.
He watches TV shows.
brian redban
Do you let him sleep with you?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
He sleeps right outside the door.
But he'll sleep and take naps with me watching TV. So if I'm watching fights or something like that, he'll cuddle.
He'll come up and cuddle right next to me.
brian redban
Perfect.
joe rogan
He's the best.
As long as he's in contact with you, he'll just lay there and be at peace.
He just wants to have his body on you and your arm on him, and he just chills.
It's a weird dog, man.
He's different than any dog I've ever had.
He's more like a person.
brian redban
You've always had pretty extreme dogs, though, like warriors.
joe rogan
Johnny Cash was the sweetest, and he was the biggest.
brian redban
Or that little dog you used to have.
joe rogan
Johnny Cash was the sweetest until he met chickens.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
When you have a 140-pound mastiff and he decides that he wants to get at the chickens through the chicken coop.
I've told the story on the podcast before.
He got tricked into killing chickens by coyotes.
The coyote is like a coyote that pretended to be his friend.
And the coyote was so clever, it literally talked him into knocking over this chicken coop.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Because I had a small chicken coop and then a big one.
And the big one is where they would be most of the time, and the coyotes couldn't get in it.
But the small one would take a chicken when she's brooding.
When a chicken's brooding, they pluck out their own feathers, and it's a problem.
They think that egg is going to become a chick, and it doesn't.
And the only way to resolve it is you've got to get them in a smaller coop where they have to sit on a rail and stay there for a few days.
And so you feed them, they stay in a small thing for a few days, and then whatever that cycle is in their head, they get over it.
During that time, this coyote had convinced Johnny to go and crush that little chicken coop.
Because Johnny was a huge dog.
And so he's like, is this what you want?
You want to get in there?
Because the fucking pool guy had accidentally left the gate open.
So the Mastiff was generally separated from the chickens.
So he knocks that over, and we're all playing games in the living room.
So we're sitting there, I forget what, like a card game, like Uno or some shit.
And then as we're looking up, we see this fucking coyote jump over the back fence like it's non-existent with a chicken in his mouth.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
I see him running in the backyard by the pool, and I think one of my daughters spots it first, and she's like, Coyote!
And we look at her like, holy shit, he's got a chicken!
And so we open the door, and we had like a six-foot wrought iron fence.
This thing with a chicken in its mouth just bounced to the top of that fence, put its paws on the top, and bounced off into the hills with that chicken in its mouth.
unidentified
I was like, wow, respect.
joe rogan
Just respect for the athleticism.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The athleticism that a fucking coyote has.
So they got that one.
And then Johnny realized that chickens are a thing that you should try to get.
So one day the pool guy left the fucking gate open again.
And Johnny- Who's this pool guy?
He was a great guy.
He used to play pool.
I used to actually play pool with the pool guy.
brian redban
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
But you know, people make mistakes.
Maybe it wasn't him.
Maybe someone's blaming him.
I don't fucking know.
Point is, Johnny got over to the other side.
And when Johnny got over to the other side, he decided, why don't I just go right through this fucking giant chicken coop and kill everybody?
And by the time I got there, he had killed a bunch of them.
I got there.
I had to pick him up and drag him out.
He was just running around killing chickens.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
They were all just fucked up.
That sucks.
A couple of them survived, which was horrible, because I didn't know what to do.
And I was like, do I put them down?
Do I see if they make it?
And one of them had this big gash on their breast from his teeth.
It was horrible.
But she lived.
But I don't remember how many he killed, but it was quite a few.
brian redban
Did she eat them all?
joe rogan
No.
No.
Our relationship with them was different.
brian redban
Right.
It was like a pet.
joe rogan
They were like a pet that gave you eggs.
And there was like an agreement.
Like, I'm not gonna hurt you.
I'm your friend.
I'll pick you up.
I'll pet you.
I'll make you feel good.
I'm gonna feed you.
And, you know, you never have to worry about getting eaten.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Like, they give you eggs.
Like, isn't that a good deal?
Like, keep them alive.
They have a real social sort of situation.
It was a good-sized chicken coop.
It was bigger than this studio.
Or this, you know, where we're doing the podcast.
So they had, like, a lot of room to run around.
They had, like, posts to be on.
And, you know, they get all social together.
And then occasionally I'd let them out in the yard.
But when I let them out in the yard, the coyotes were, like, timing it.
So one time I let him out in the yard, and we generally would leave him out there for like an hour or so, and then go out and check on him.
But by the time I got out there, a coyote had already jumped the fence and had killed one of them.
It was just feathers everywhere, man.
It was weird.
brian redban
That's disturbing.
I don't know what I would do.
joe rogan
But it's a weird feeling that you're being stalked by predators.
brian redban
Yeah, for your pets or whatever.
joe rogan
One time I was in the bathroom and we heard noises and opened up this window and shined a light on the top of the chicken coop and there was two coyotes standing on the chicken boot, clawing at the chicken coop trying to figure out how to get in.
Yeah, they're wolves, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're like a little wolf.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Little wild little wolves all over Los Angeles.
Isn't that strange?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was that the first place you ever saw a coyote?
brian redban
Absolutely, yeah.
And I guess they're here.
Our neighborhood doesn't have a problem with them, but we have a problem with cats, leopards or something like that, or bobcats or something.
I don't even know what.
We have a lot of those.
unidentified
Bobcats.
brian redban
Yeah, they're all over the place, which I found crazy because I've never lived anywhere where it was that much.
joe rogan
They'll kill your dog, too.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They killed a dog in my old neighborhood.
brian redban
I'm more concerned about, because we have a fence and everything, but even though they can just jump over, but we have a lot of hawks, like big, giant hawks, black hawks and stuff like that.
joe rogan
Probably eagles, too.
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Big birds.
joe rogan
I think there's eagles out here.
Yeah.
If there's not eagles in Texas, they should fucking abort them.
unidentified
You ain't got no fucking eagles?
brian redban
There's gotta be.
joe rogan
Where the fuck are y'all eagles?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have to have eagles here, right?
I've seen some big-ass predatory birds, but I'm not good at identifying them.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
I see a lot of vultures.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of vultures.
brian redban
Have you seen a live armadillo yet?
I've seen two dead ones, but I've not seen an armadillo yet.
I guess they're all over the place also.
joe rogan
I think I have.
I think I have, but I can't quite remember because it was not during me living here this time.
I think I've seen a live armadillo on one of our old Texas trips.
I don't think I've seen one while I'm here.
But I have seen a ring-tailed cat.
Have you ever seen those?
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Really fucking cool.
Really cool looking.
This thing was running across the road.
I was like, what is that?
And the guy I was with was like, it's a ring-tailed cat.
I was like, what?
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
It doesn't even look like it exists.
It looks like a little avatar, a little fuzzy animal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or like something that doesn't belong in North America, like some South American animal.
brian redban
That's like with the armadillo.
You see one of those things, you're like, what is this dinosaur on the side of it?
joe rogan
Well, you know, we are so connected to Mexico, and Mexico is so connected to the rest of, you know, Central America, South America.
Like, there's jaguars that get all the way up into Arizona.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at that thing.
unidentified
What is that?
brian redban
That's what we saw.
unidentified
That's what it is?
Yes.
joe rogan
Isn't that fucking cool?
brian redban
That's cool.
joe rogan
That one's got a collar on.
That means they captured it.
brian redban
That's cute.
joe rogan
That's what I saw.
unidentified
I was like, whoa, that's real?
joe rogan
What a cutie.
What a fucking cutie.
There's also a fox.
I have a video, I can't fucking find it, of a fox that was in my yard making these crazy fox noises.
brian redban
Fox noises.
joe rogan
And Marshall, one of the things he does, if he finds fox shit, he lays in it.
He goes and he rubs it around his neck.
So one day, one day he comes in the house and he's just smothered in shit.
I mean, his whole, like, wet...
Fox shit all over the side of his neck and his chest and he just rolled in it.
I think the fox might have just laid it.
It's like the fox comes in the yard every now and then and hangs out.
It's weird.
Like they don't seem to have a problem with dogs.
Like dogs and them, it's almost like they get along.
brian redban
Yeah.
Bunnies are like that too.
I have a horrible bunny situation at my house and we have about 20 bunnies that live in my yard.
And they're just causing hack.
I had parked a car, my Civic, out in my parking lot for like a couple days.
And they went in there, built nests, and then chewed all my wires and did like $2,000 worth of damage in my car.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
brian redban
Twice they've done it.
joe rogan
Why don't you leave some carrots out, bro?
brian redban
I know that's what happened when I first moved there.
I was like, oh my god, these bunnies are great.
And I used to give them carrots and shit like that.
But now they just come up to me and like sniff my feet and stuff.
Like they're not scared of me or my dogs.
Like they think my dog, they would just start running around my dogs, like playing with them and stuff.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
Yeah.
And it's really weird because there's tons of them.
There's not just like two.
There's like probably about 20 that live in my yard.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
brian redban
And they're baby ones, big ones, ones that have missing ears.
And you're like, what happened to you?
joe rogan
Probably a hawk.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, that's the only way to keep their population down.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Unless you have big predators.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
But they do have fat coyotes out here.
I saw a fat boy.
brian redban
You've seen coyotes out here.
unidentified
Well, I saw...
Whoops.
joe rogan
Sorry, buddy.
I saw a photo of one that someone took on my street.
He was a fat boy.
And then my friend Shay saw a big one.
She said she saw a fat one too.
I think they have a lot to eat out here.
I think they just keep their mouth shut so they don't get shot.
You notice there's not a lot of howling out here?
brian redban
No, there's not.
joe rogan
Different world, bro.
brian redban
Yeah, it's weird.
I hear more gunshots every night.
joe rogan
If you're howling, that means someone's going to find you.
They're probably pretty good at it out here.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Coyotes are a weird animal because they're a small predator that roams around urban areas.
brian redban
That look like a dog and kind of act like a dog.
joe rogan
Super smart, man.
There's a great book if anybody's interested in coyotes.
It's called Coyote America by Dan Flores, who's a guy who's been on the podcast before and will be again.
He's got a new book coming out in October.
He's going to come back on.
But he wrote an amazing book about coyotes, about how prevalent they are in this country and how it happened.
Because it all happened because we forced them out of areas.
When you force them out of areas, they expand and they make more coyotes.
And then they cover every city in the entire country now.
Every city in the country has coyotes.
That didn't happen before.
They were mostly in the Midwest.
Or in the West.
brian redban
Right.
Yeah, I don't remember Ohio ever having them.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're in New York City now.
brian redban
That's so weird.
joe rogan
They're running around in New York City.
Coyotes.
brian redban
Weird.
joe rogan
Oh, it's the strangest.
And I think it all happened in the last 50 or 60 years.
They, you know, they figured out how to kill wolves, right?
Way back in the day, the ranchers and farmers, they basically just poisoned cattle or poisoned horses, and they would leave their body.
They'd literally stick like strychnine into a vein and pump it into their body, and then these wolves would eat the horse or whatever animal they left behind, and they would all get poisoned.
And they kept doing that, and they successfully did that so many times that they killed off the entire population of wolves in that area of North America.
And, you know, they couldn't do that to the coyote.
They were too slick.
The coyote's like, uh, I see your fucking game, bitch.
And so when they tried to push the coyotes out, if they shoot them, then when the coyotes howl at night, they're doing like roll call.
And if one guy's missing, the females start making more puppies.
So female coyotes in these stressed little packs, they'll have extra puppies.
So when someone dies, they make more kids.
And then they move.
They move to a new area.
They establish a new territory.
But that's how, you know, when people leave their cats out at night and, you know, Fluffy never came home.
Yeah, well, what the fuck are you doing?
brian redban
I hate that.
joe rogan
There's wolves out there.
There's literal wolves that patrol your backyard.
They're just small enough so you don't feel threatened by them.
That's all it is.
brian redban
You see that video the other day of a coyote attacking a cat and the cat defending itself?
unidentified
Wild.
brian redban
That's crazy.
joe rogan
The cat fought it off.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That cat's a...
Gangster.
brian redban
Thank God it wasn't declawed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No shit, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Declawed cats are fucked.
brian redban
Yeah.
I'm surprised that's...
Is it legal still?
I'm surprised that hasn't been canceled yet.
joe rogan
It's not declawed.
You're chopping the last digit of their finger off.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a crazy thing you have to do.
brian redban
And it's weird.
Growing up, we were always like, no, you have to get it declawed after you need to do this.
joe rogan
Well, cats are weird that if you have a male cat, you have to get it neutered.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you have to, because they're not going to listen.
Like, you get a dog, Marshall, I can keep Marshall from having sex.
It's pretty easy.
Just don't bring him around any hoes.
brian redban
Oh, you didn't chop off his balls?
joe rogan
No, he's got his balls.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
So if you...
But I had this conversation with Andrew Huberman, who is...
What's his field of expertise?
He's an expert in...
He's from Stanford, and he's like a super genius...
On human performance and physical performance and what causes people to recover quicker.
So he's an associate professor in the Department of Neurobiology at Stanford.
And so he said that when he got his dog fixed, he realized that his dog was just more lethargic and was having problems getting around.
And he started giving his dog testosterone.
After you got your dog fixed and the dog came back to life again, was acting better and healthier.
You're taking away not just your dog's ability to reproduce, but you're taking away your dog's ability to develop testosterone.
And people say, well, yeah, well, then dogs have a higher incident of cancer, of prostate cancer, if they don't get castrated.
Which may be true.
But it's like, that's what a dog is supposed to be.
That's a dog.
Like, to save him from prostate cancer, I think we should do is make sure your dog doesn't breed and make puppies, be a responsible dog owner.
And if you're going to have your dog around other male dogs and it's an aggressive dog, yeah, that's probably not good either.
Those are problems.
But for a dog like Marshall, he doesn't have to get fixed.
Stop.
I definitely want to be a responsible dog owner, and I definitely don't want him having puppies that someone's not going to want or take care of.
That's the problem.
I just think it's weird that we do that to animals.
But you have to do it to cats, was my point.
You have to.
If you don't, they piss all over your house.
Like, every male cat that anybody has has been castrated, which is kind of fucked.
Kind of fucked.
You know, it's kind of a weird thing.
Like, we can keep this pet, but he got to chop his nuts off 100% of the time.
Like, you can have a dog like Marshall.
Like, you see, he's five years old, he has his balls, and he's the sweetest dog in the world.
Like, there's no issues with aggression at all.
It doesn't exist.
But he's got a lot of energy.
He exercises a lot.
We do a lot of stuff.
He has plenty of energy.
My other dog that I had had that I had him fixed, like, later in his life, I had him fixed when he was, like, five.
He got immediately lethargic.
Immediately.
He was tired all the time.
He just wanted to lay down.
And it was sad.
It made me sad.
I was like, what have I done?
This was like 20 years ago, I guess.
It was like, what have I done?
What have I done?
He was healthier before this.
brian redban
Yeah, I mean, my male Shih Tzu, we got it later.
I think he was six or seven.
He got castrated late in his life.
And he just sleeps all day.
He's a cat now.
joe rogan
Did he change after you got impressed?
brian redban
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
And this is not us giving advice about what you should and shouldn't do.
But I'm just saying that...
There are certain animals, like it is weird to have a male cat because you have to fix him.
You have to cut his balls off.
If you let a male cat wander around your house, first of all, that's the most irresponsible thing because they're going to fuck everybody.
They're going to fuck every cat that's in heat anywhere in the remote area and there's a lot of bad cat owners and they let those dirty female cats outside and they fuck up a storm and come back and they're knocked up.
But that's a wild life.
You know, imagine being a cat.
Like a male cat with your own balls in the city.
brian redban
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Just wandering around.
Banging.
Making babies everywhere.
Fucking up rats.
brian redban
With your hooked penis.
Ripping all that.
joe rogan
That's what's gross, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's gross.
But I've met dogs that are fixed and they're super happy dogs and they got a lot of energy.
It's just from Huberman's perspective.
brian redban
I think it's the age.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, you're not going to produce testosterone anymore.
I know it gives you energy.
I know it helps you recover better.
I know it does.
If you don't have that anymore, I just would imagine that you would feel more sluggish.
unidentified
That's what happens to guys when they get low T. I feel like I have a low T right now.
brian redban
I need to get it checked out.
I checked it like four years ago, and I was on the low side of average.
So I was like, eh, well, I'm not going to go crazy on this.
joe rogan
Time to start juicing, son.
brian redban
Yeah.
I don't want to do the shots, though.
Is there any way to not do the shots?
That just seems awful.
joe rogan
Yeah, they had a spray for a while.
brian redban
Oh, that's way better.
They have gummies?
joe rogan
Or a drop.
There was testosterone drops.
They did have gummies because that's what those baseball players got busted using.
They would take testosterone gummies.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Imagine if you gained weight because you got on testosterone because you were just eating gummies all day.
Does that cream work?
jamie vernon
The cream?
joe rogan
The cream?
Yeah, it does.
But the problem with that stuff is there's secondary contamination.
Your skin gets in contact with your wife's skin.
She grows a mustache.
brian redban
Oh, God.
joe rogan
I'm not kidding.
This is what's going on with this kid.
There was a kid, and his father was using testosterone cream, and from his contact with it, the kid started going through puberty at two.
He started exhibiting signs of puberty.
But, also, I think they said his hog grew.
So, guaranteed people are going to start rubbing that stuff on their kids now.
After that story.
Pull that story up, because it's really kind of crazy.
brian redban
It's nuts.
joe rogan
Like, they realize that this guy is getting this testosterone cream all over his little kid.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Because it doesn't just completely go into your skin.
You don't wash it off.
Like, right?
You rub it on.
jamie vernon
There was a science version of it, but this is easier to read.
joe rogan
Okay, a two-year-old showed signs of puberty after he was exposed to his dad's testosterone gel.
He developed pubic hair and his height was off the charts.
Wow, he's gonna be the greatest athlete of all time.
Imagine if they found out.
Look at that.
Barnaby Brownswell.
Shit!
Goddamn pop-ups.
Barnaby Brownsell developed a sizable, in quotes, penis.
And pubic hair at the age of two.
The kid has a hog on him.
Now, hold that kid back one year.
So that he's the greatest athlete of all time.
Hold him back one year.
On one occasion, she said a stranger remarked that he looked like a little man.
She said some people had called him a Viking or Samson because of his muscular build.
But it was only after Brownsell saw pubic hair around Barnaby's sizable penis that she got seriously worried.
I knew it wasn't normal, the 43-year-old mom told Insider, noting that her toddler resembled a 4- or 5-year-old boy.
He'd have massive sustained erections.
And his height and weight were off the charts.
Massive Sustained Directions is the new name of my special.
Brownsell of Brighton, England added he weighed 26 pounds at the age of 1. It put on over 2 pounds every month between the ages of 12 and 18 months.
It wasn't fat, just muscle.
brian redban
What the heck?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Dr. Tony Hulse, a pediatric endocrinologist at Everlina London Children's Hospital in the UK, was somewhat baffled when Brownsell consulted him in March.
Wow.
Oh my god, Barnaby had as much testosterone in his system as an adult male.
The guy was going hard.
Father must have been just slathering.
That's the problem when you give people testosterone gel.
They're like, I want you to use one ounce.
They're like, what happens if I use 18 ounces?
brian redban
Yeah, was this kid, like, raging, though?
joe rogan
This guy was probably raging.
He was probably just smothering himself in this thing.
Let me hug the boy!
unidentified
Let me make a man out of this boy!
joe rogan
That's wild.
Kid grew a sizable hog.
brian redban
It's like you kind of want to ask, like, what's that mean?
Like, how many inches when you don't?
joe rogan
You don't want to ask.
brian redban
You're not allowed to ask.
joe rogan
You can't be curious about that.
I mean, but they put it in our head, sizable, massive, sustained erections.
That's really what it said, right?
brian redban
Yep.
joe rogan
It said massive, right?
brian redban
Twice.
joe rogan
Imagine.
Imagine your two-year-old with just a fucking Red Bull can.
brian redban
You're jealous of your kid.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Just like a child's arm.
No.
Imagine a baby having that.
Now that they know, though, this is the problem, man.
They put that fucking article out and we just talked about it.
And now that people know that, there's going to be people out there that do that to their kids.
jamie vernon
Also, like, so what if the kid was just, I mean, granted, they probably did test and figure it was testosterone related, but what if he just grew faster than normal kids?
joe rogan
No, dude.
That's silly.
You're being a contrarian.
Look at this.
Insider...
brian redban
Stop being in an aquarium.
joe rogan
Stop being in an Aquarius.
Insider reached out to Bezins, the European pharmacy company that manufactures the gel for comma, and is awaiting a response.
Meanwhile, Brown still said that Barnaby's, in quotes, avoidable condition has taken its toll.
The toxin has effectively distorted his appearance, she said.
We'll never know what he was supposed to look like at the age of two.
Oh, wow.
What does he look like?
Does he look like a little man?
jamie vernon
I don't know how old the picture is.
brian redban
That's him one year old.
jamie vernon
It says he's maybe two there.
brian redban
It's the size of his dad.
joe rogan
The size of a child at least two years older than him.
That he's muscular and the size of a child two years older than him.
Let me see.
Zoom in on his face.
jamie vernon
Oh, there's another picture here.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, back there, back there.
No, no, you just passed one.
That's it.
Yeah, wow, that's a two-year-old?
brian redban
He's got the cheeks like he's on testosterone, right?
joe rogan
The kid looks jacked.
Peter Brownsell applied testosterone gel to his skin every day, not knowing that the substance was being transferred to his son.
That must make him feel fucking terrible.
Wow.
brian redban
That picture looks like the kid's raging right now.
joe rogan
Look at how they phrase this.
Yeah.
What the fuck you taking a picture, bro?
She said they were shocked to learn that the generous amount of topical gel that he applied every day may have caused Barnaby's issue.
The generous amount of topical gel.
He might have been one of those crazy dudes.
He might have been one of those crazy dudes that just like couldn't put enough on.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
Fucking raging.
Rubbing it on his belly.
brian redban
And that's prescription stuff, right?
You would have to get it prescribed?
joe rogan
Marshall's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Trying to take a nap.
I think, yeah, it's prescription stuff, yeah.
But I don't know, you know, who knows who the doctor is, who knows what the compounding pharmacy is, who knows what the laws are in the state where he lives in or the place where he lives in.
Yeah, I don't know how well regulated it is.
Because, like, if they tell you you're only supposed to take X, but you're like, well, I don't want to tell you why.
That's generally what guys would do.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
It's like my old joke about big dick pills.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
It'd be 30 seconds before the first guy dies of an overdose.
Like, no one's gonna take one.
But I wonder now if people are gonna start doing this to their kids.
brian redban
I hope not.
Because there has to be negatives about it, also.
joe rogan
Well, it might counteract the plastics.
Maybe that's the move.
And the pharmaceutical companies all win.
We counteract the plastics by applying testosterone gel to babies.
brian redban
Stupid.
joe rogan
So fucking crazy that that would even be a thought.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But you know what?
This is what's really dumb.
Me, just having said that, you know there's going to be a lot of people that are like, that's actually not a bad deal.
brian redban
Yeah, let's try it.
joe rogan
That's not a bad idea.
If you really think about it, if we are losing a 50% Size count in sperm counts.
It's like sperm counts have dropped, testosterone levels have dropped, taints are shrinking, penises are shrinking, balls are shrinking.
What do we do?
Lather him up with test.
Let's take little Billy.
Imagine if you had a twin and there was two twins, right?
Both boys look exactly the same.
One of them, you just lather him up every day with test.
And he just towers over the other one like the Hulk, like an ogre.
Just keeps growing.
Giant hog.
Hairy.
Built like a Russian wrestler.
Everyone's going to want to do that.
There's so many people that are going to want to do that.
So many people that want their kid to be in the NFL. Like, I know how to get him in.
Now I know.
brian redban
Hold him back.
Get some tea cream.
joe rogan
Do you know, yeah.
Do you know they're probably doing that in China?
Why wouldn't they do that?
If they know that now, if they know that now from this case, if I know about it, it's on the internet.
I mean, I saw it tweeted a hundred places.
jamie vernon
So that's looking this up.
There's a story.
This is the first thing I clicked on.
This is from 2008. It talks about, I think it says it's this, I don't know.
I'm imagining that being seven and a half, but I don't know what seven slash 12 is.
It says a very similar thing.
They found the pubic hair distribution was that of probably an older kid.
It wasn't that abnormal.
The testosterone was very high, though, when tested.
brian redban
From their child's father.
jamie vernon
They think it's the same thing.
joe rogan
Look what it says here.
It says the findings were normal for his laboratory evaluation findings were normal for age except for the testosterone concentration, which is comparable to a late pubescent and adult male levels of 371 nanograms per deciliter.
Brain magnetic resonance imagery and testicular ultrasonography were normal.
Skeletal age was advanced at 4 and 6 out of 12 years.
Oh, that's what it is.
jamie vernon
Four and a half, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's four and a half.
Repeated, this is just a scientific paper.
Repeated laboratory evaluation after the child's father ceased testosterone use revealed a normal testosterone combination of 10 nanograms per deciliter.
Thus, this boy's sexual precocity was attributed to inadvertent exogenous androgen exposure.
So that means the cream caused his testosterone spike, so his body acted as if it was 13. Wow.
People are going to do that.
brian redban
And every single girlfriend and wife that dated these guys probably also have all this testosterone.
joe rogan
They're probably horny as fuck.
They're probably horny, like two horny.
unidentified
Hairy lips.
joe rogan
All day, ready to go.
When do you think it was the first time a woman decided to shave her legs?
unidentified
Let's see.
joe rogan
Because that's an interesting move, right?
Like, once one lady shaved her legs, all the other girls are probably like, oh, this bitch.
Now I gotta shave my fucking legs too?
Look at her.
With her fucking hairless legs.
Like, when do you think that happened?
Take a guess.
brian redban
Whenever the razor was probably first invented, the...
joe rogan
Shaving razor?
But firstly, it was a straight edge.
brian redban
Yeah, not then.
It was whenever they made the actual...
unidentified
I would say 1935. 1935. Hmm.
joe rogan
I want to say it was earlier.
brian redban
Earlier?
I would say earlier other than later.
joe rogan
I want to say it was in the 1800s.
1800s?
jamie vernon
Red Band is correct.
joe rogan
What was the actual age?
jamie vernon
Around the 1920s.
joe rogan
Wow.
So all those times in the Old West, everyone had hairy ass legs.
jamie vernon
It says the beauty industry caused it.
joe rogan
Oh, in the Roaring Twenties.
Hemlines rise and the hair removal industry targets legs.
Wow.
So what did they do then?
So this is 1927, okay?
So women shaving their legs in 1927. They were on Broadway, so they were slightly atypical for the time.
So that was unusual.
Stop moving.
I'm reading.
So that was unusual for the time, they're saying.
These ladies were on Broadway.
So it says, but during the 20s, knee-high skirts made legs more visible, and depilatory companies wasted no time claiming their products enabled a woman to bathe stockingless without self-consciousness.
Bathe stockingless.
So they would bathe with stockings on?
What?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
So that's how they would cover their hair?
Hope's analysis showed that a relatively small percentage of ads focused on leg removal.
Leg hair removal.
What?
In Harper's Bazaar, for example, 66% of the ads mentioned it, but only 10% made it their sole focus.
66% of the ads mentioned leg hair removal?
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
brian redban
I guess once you see it once, though, you're like, oh, finally these ladies...
joe rogan
Stop, stop, stop.
Go back up, please.
Right there.
Briefly, it seemed like depilatories might just be a passing fad.
From 1924 to 1926, ads for them disappeared from the Sears catalog and McCall's, and most of the ads were seasonal, running from around April to September, timing that suggested women mostly relegated hair removal to summer.
When their underarms and legs were exposed, that didn't last.
So the 50s.
In the 1950s, bare legs become the norm.
So this is an ad from the 50s.
Scroll down a little bit.
Look at that.
Give thanks for a hair remover that's kind to your nose and nerves.
Oh, so they were just using poison.
brian redban
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
And just killing the hair.
Yes, it is.
unidentified
Whisk...
joe rogan
What is that?
Whisk you here?
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
It's a lot like nair.
joe rogan
Oh, Whisk is the name of the product.
Whisk you hear hundreds of fastidious women talking about.
Whisk doesn't smell, doesn't hurt, or pull.
It looks for all the world like your favorite cleansing cream.
Breathes faintly a clean, pleasant fragrance, yet almost without effort, it removes unwanted arm and leg hair at the skin surface.
And unlike your razor, Whisk causes no porcupine aftergrowth.
Discover Whisk today.
Okay, now look up dangers of hair removal cream.
brian redban
I can tell you.
I used to do it on my back when I was single because I didn't want, you know, you hook up with a girl because of my back hair and I didn't have a way to like reach it.
So I'd just pour a bunch of nair on a trash bag and just like roll around on it and would get my crack, my butt crack and stuff.
It was horrible, dude.
Don't recommend it.
Zero.
joe rogan
How does it get it off you?
What is it doing to the hair?
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Is it burning?
brian redban
Because I would have to do that and then I would have to put a towel down and pretty much scrape my back on the towel and it just peeled the hair off.
So whatever it does, it's like some kind of peely thing.
joe rogan
Here it says, the chemicals in depilatory...
Is that the right way to say it?
jamie vernon
That's what you said in the last episode.
Depilatory...
unidentified
You have to keep going with that.
brian redban
I don't think I'm the expert in this.
joe rogan
The chemicals in depilatory creams are active formulas meant to dissolve the hair shaft Even using such creams on non-sensitive areas has risks.
Burns, irritation, allergies, the skin around private parts, and on the face is very sensitive and vulnerable to such products.
Wow.
So I've seen people that have used it on their face and fucked their face up.
brian redban
Yeah, that's dangerous.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Didn't Brody, remember when Brody got laser hair removal and they scarred his face?
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
He was so sad about that scar.
He's like, can you see my scar?
That's why he had beards all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, he...
God damn it, that sucked.
brian redban
Yeah, I know.
Why'd you...
joe rogan
That bummed me out.
brian redban
It sucks, too, because I have a lot of friends that have made me Brody paintings and stuff, and so I have them all over my house.
And the other day I was like, this can't be good for me, because I'm constantly seeing Brody every single day, you know?
joe rogan
Well, if you just can get it out of your head that he's dead and just remember with a good memory.
The memory of him alive was so much fun.
brian redban
I do miss him though, man.
joe rogan
It sucks.
Yeah, I miss him too.
It sucks.
I just, I can't imagine the kind of pain that a guy like him was in, that he wanted to do that.
And we knew that he would, you know, he'd go off his meds and he'd be real sad and he'd be angry and fucked up.
It's a bummer, man.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a bummer.
I've known so many people that have taken their own life.
brian redban
A lot of comedians.
Janice was talking about this the other day, my girlfriend.
Just knowing you, Brian, I've known more people die than I've ever had in my whole entire life just from knowing you for six years.
And it's true.
So many comedians are suffering.
joe rogan
Well, it's a difficult thing psychologically for you, you know, to constantly have to get up there and perform for people and hope you don't bomb and, you know, and deal with it when you do and try to write new material and you're on one day and you're off the next.
You don't know why and then you're back.
And then you're better and you learn from it and you keep going, but it's a stressful thing.
brian redban
Yeah, it's constant torture almost.
joe rogan
Yeah, some people don't like that stress.
It's different for some people.
Some guys like Chappelle just seem to skate through it with ease.
It's one of the reasons why he's so good is his process is so seamless.
He just comes up with things that mean something to him that he wants to talk about, and he just starts developing bits.
And he develops them and he just does a shit ton of sets all over the place.
And he turns over an hour quicker than anybody I've ever seen.
That's what Donnell and I were talking about one day.
Who turns over an hour quicker than Chappelle?
Nobody.
He immediately has a new hour.
It's pretty amazing.
And then it just keeps getting better and better and better until he's ready to film.
But he's super commando dedicated.
Constantly on the road, constantly doing that.
But for him, that's his way of life, that's his love, and it works.
But some people just, they can't do it.
They just, it's just too much.
After a while, it's too much, you know?
And then it's also, like, interacting with so many people.
Like, sometimes that's overwhelming to people.
They don't know how to handle that.
You know?
It's weird.
It's weird.
And so some people just, they just fucking want to check out.
And then there's also guys that get mad that they don't think that they got what they deserved.
They don't think they achieved, they look at other people that achieved more than them, they get upset.
Which is unfortunate, that was Richard Jenney, right?
Before he killed himself.
Like his thing was that he always wanted to be like a Jim Carrey.
He wanted to be that guy that was in these movies and killing it.
And he had a TV show for a while called Platypus Man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But the thing about...
Jenny was his stand-up.
His stand-up was fucking sensational.
Like anybody can...
Not anybody.
I'm not saying anybody can be a comedic actor.
But what I'm saying is every comedic actor can't do stand-up.
And Jenny could do comedic...
I'm not saying they can't do stand-up.
I'm just saying most of them don't have the kind of chops that Jenny had.
I mean, I think a lot of very funny people could be good at stand-up, just to be clear.
They just need to go through the proper steps.
It's a long-ass road.
But Jenny had already gone through that road, and he was doing, like, comedy movies.
But I'm like, hey, man, other people could do comedy movies.
Like, one of the best comics alive.
And he was bummed out.
It bothered him, apparently.
He didn't get the recognition he deserved while he was alive.
But that guy was a fucking stone-cold killer.
I learned from him how to make a bit comprehensive, like you completely cover the subject, like cover all the areas of the subject.
Because one of the funniest things about him, he would have killer beat after killer beat about something, and then he would find a new way to look at it, and he'd come in it from another direction.
And he would have these bits that are like five, seven minutes long on this one subject.
And you're like, holy shit is this good.
Just the writing was just so clean.
It's like so crisp.
brian redban
Do you ever take a bit...
And just try to do it backwards.
I do that a lot where I'll try to start off at the end of the joke and work my way up the other way.
joe rogan
You definitely can.
Yeah, sometimes that's the best way to handle a subject.
brian redban
Yeah, because you find new little routes that you never would have thought the other way.
Or at least it's something I do once in a while and it works maybe half the time, you know, but I still find it fun.
It's almost like a...
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
I think experimentation, some of them fail, but some of them it's a way better way to do the joke.
You never know.
You never really know.
That's the crazy thing about comedy.
People are like, why did you say that?
I'm like, I don't know what I said.
I was trying.
Swinging.
Trying to make something funny that it might not be.
And you have these split-second moments where you have to decide whether or not you should try out this bit or try out this...
You have a thought in your head, and sometimes it just doesn't work.
brian redban
Sometimes right when you say it, you're like, no, I'm going here.
I'm doing this.
unidentified
No, I didn't want to.
joe rogan
And then you're stuck.
Then you're stuck.
Like, what have I committed to?
unidentified
I got off.
joe rogan
It's basically like falling down when you're riding a dirt bike.
Get back up.
Keep going.
Don't commit to being the thing that falls down.
Right.
But the pain of a bomb is just so rough for people.
It's such a rough feeling that they just don't know if they can keep doing it.
It gets to a point where some people are like, I just can't do this anymore.
brian redban
Yeah, but usually that feeling of the bomb, if not the next time, the time after that, you have that really good set.
You're like, God, I feel better now.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you realize, like, probably you were a little sloppy that night, or maybe you were off, or maybe your energy was off.
Maybe you're tired.
That's a problem.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why it's like, I think it's kind of important to be a little nervous for every set.
Really do.
Like, some people want to be calm.
I don't think we should be that calm.
I think a little nerves are good for you.
Once you know you're alive, you're taking a risk.
Doing live stand-up, it's a risk.
brian redban
Luckily, Texas is the nicest, best audiences in the world, probably.
joe rogan
They're so fun.
brian redban
LA is like, oh, these are all managers and people in the business.
They don't laugh at shit.
joe rogan
It's true, right?
Why was the Ice House always so good?
brian redban
Because it was like...
unidentified
Regular people.
brian redban
Yeah, it was regular people.
joe rogan
Pasadena people.
Regular folks.
brian redban
100%.
joe rogan
They weren't industry people.
There were so many industry-adjacent people that I didn't know about until later.
Like, you already become friends with them, and you realize that they wanted to be an actor, but it didn't work out, and now they're selling insurance or whatever.
And there's a lot of those around, too.
So they're really interested in the industry.
So even if they bailed, like, oh, I was a commercial actor, but it was just too much.
I wasn't making enough money, and I decided to invest in my education, and now I'm doing this.
Still, it's like they wanted that.
That's what they wanted.
So there's a lot of those people.
Not that there's anything wrong with wanting that.
What I'm saying is when you get a lot of people that want that, that are just...
The number one thing is this is what I want to do.
I want to act in great films and I want to be a great artist, but also I got to get famous to be able to do that.
So how do I get famous?
And so it's like a race to popularity.
Try to figure out how to get popular, to move yourself into a position that you could be considered to be doing these things like The Rock, right?
He's the ultimate example of that, right?
And so there's so many of those folks there that have that thought.
So there's so many people that are seeking attention.
It's like an imbalance.
Like you always want to have one of those.
Like my friend Dave that I was telling you about.
He was the guy that was like the center of attention.
He was the guy we would go somewhere and he would always be cracking people up.
He was making everybody laugh.
That was his...
But if you can't...
You can have hundreds of those stacked on top of each other.
And they don't get to fulfill their dreams and they get stuck as a waiter and then, you know, maybe they had a fucking, you know, motorcycle accident, whatever.
And then that's your audience.
You get a lot of that.
You get a lot of people that are on their way up and think they should be up there, not you.
You get a lot of that.
But it's also a good proving ground because it's a difficult spot.
If you murder at the store, you must have some solid shit.
If you could take people out of whatever it is that occupies their life and their attention, That they're obsessing about.
And a lot of people in Hollywood, it's, you know, whatever they're trying to do, whether it's trying to be an actor or a musician or a screenwriter, whatever the fuck it is, they're so obsessed with that, it's probably hard to get them out of their own head.
So if you can kill in front of those people, that's a good sign.
So that's a good part about living in L.A. is that it's like a strength training for other places.
When we would go to Columbus, that's a great example.
When we would go to Columbus, the crowds were always so good.
They were so fun.
That Funny Bone?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck, that place was amazing.
brian redban
It's my home club.
joe rogan
That's a fucking amazing club.
I mean, we'd be like, God, the audiences are so good here.
It's just because you were used to that, you know, that sort of vibe.
brian redban
Yeah, it's like Texas.
For the most part, people come out here to have fun, drinks.
You know, Texas people love to party, you know?
joe rogan
Yes, they do love to party.
brian redban
It's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
They're wild folks.
It's just a fun place, and it's not connected to the industry.
That's the thing.
But I think, you look at that number of 4 million podcasts, whoa.
Maybe it is.
Maybe the industry now is podcasts, right?
Maybe that's a big part of the industry, and maybe the industry almost becomes something that everybody does.
Everybody has a podcast.
brian redban
Or they're streaming videos, like everyone has YouTube.
jamie vernon
Circle back on that, I had the info.
joe rogan
Okay, here it is.
Cumulative podcast listed on iTunes June of 2007 to June of 2015. So, active podcast.
So, in 2000...
When does it start?
2007?
brian redban
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's when this chart starts, yeah.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
So when we come in...
2007. We're coming in 2009. We're in the middle there, right there, between 9 and 10?
jamie vernon
It's June.
joe rogan
Okay.
So that's like right in the center.
So that gets us up to...
brian redban
10,000 maybe?
joe rogan
Well, yeah, there's like active and non-active, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, there's a description of what that means.
joe rogan
It's closing in on 50,000, though.
Can I just go back to that little chart thing for a second?
Between where we start, it's like at the high end, it's getting close to 50,000.
So it's probably like 40,000.
jamie vernon
But that's even, so what an active podcast was, was a podcast putting up two episodes a month.
joe rogan
Boy, we were off.
I would have never thought that.
I was going to say 1,000.
It's almost 50,000.
brian redban
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, so we were by, we were OGs only, you know, in the roughest sense of the word.
brian redban
Right, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like there was a lot of people already doing it.
brian redban
I think also, from what I remember about podcasts at the very beginning, was that a lot of them were tech-based podcasts.
Because only people that listened to podcasts were people that were nerds and techie and stuff like that.
It wasn't mass use.
joe rogan
When did the true crime genre...
brian redban
Twilight came out.
jamie vernon
They had to go with tech because it was really hard to get them onto your device to listen to and then also the length couldn't be more than an hour because it would take up so much space you have to delete songs.
brian redban
I think there was a lot of techy podcasts back then but they were not even really podcasts they were just kind of like WAV files of people talking about stuff.
joe rogan
Right, and you could download them.
You could download WAV files.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you think is the future?
Do you think it's going to be that AR shit or the VR shit that you like to do?
brian redban
Yeah, well, I already see, just by numbers alone, that people are more watching YouTube videos and watching it on YouTube instead of audio-based things.
It's, like, drastic in the last couple years.
And I think it's just because everyone's phones have the speed now and the quality and stuff, and it's just easier to watch on video.
I do think, though, the future is probably going to start when Apple releases their AR VR headset, which will probably be next year.
And that's going to be like the podcast or the iPod when that came out.
And people are going to be communicating so much using that.
joe rogan
That's going to be weird, dude.
brian redban
So yeah, I think VR, kind of AR, VR, is probably going to be the next podcast.
You know, that's what I've been trying to do for a while, just to get my feet in the ground and stuff like that.
And I can already tell it's just so much better.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're way ahead of the curve.
You're way ahead of the curve.
You're already doing these things where you meet up with people in a fake diner.
brian redban
Yeah, and half the people work at Vulcan.
It's cool.
joe rogan
It's cool, and I'm fascinated by it, because I think this is step one on the way to the Matrix.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really do.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, this is Ready Player One.
We're going there.
We're 100% going there.
They're gonna get way better at it.
They're gonna get better, and they're gonna get better quick.
And it's gonna happen before you know it, and it's gonna be so tempting.
It's gonna be so hard to pick mushrooms.
It's gonna be so hard to go out there and fucking, let's go fly fishing.
We didn't catch shit.
I could have been on Avatar.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I could have been riding around on dragons all day and I'm hanging out with you assholes.
I might get eaten by a bear.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
You know, what the fuck are we doing out here, man?
Let's go home and lock in.
And everyone's gonna lock in.
Because it's gonna be so much better than regular life.
I'm scared of that, Brian.
brian redban
And there's drugs.
Like, you know, this thing we play, we have this place that we go to, and you can take the VR version of DMT, and it starts off, you start seeing trails, and you start having the Buddha come out of the ground with all these.
And you're literally doing fake drugs in a fake world with, you know, it's so weird.
Because your brain doesn't know the difference.
Your brain's thinking you're tripping balls right now.
Like, it's telling your brain, you're tripping and hallucinating.
joe rogan
You know, McKenna actually prophesied this.
He said that he thinks they'll be able to recreate the DMT realm, and that in doing so with virtual reality, you will be able to experience the drug without having to take the drug, and that you'll have the exact same experience.
But he was like, you know...
He was a guy that would make these wild, wild predictions about the future, you know?
And I think he just liked to get really, really high, and he was super-duper smart.
And he would talk about stuff, and some of it wasn't, like, totally on the money.
But it was always interesting.
Always interesting.
And that was one of his big ones, that they would be able to recreate DMT to the point where you could see it in, like, a VR-type setup, and you would actually have the trip.
But he also thought that...
He was a guy that was really interested in the December 21st, 2012 date.
Remember I used to have that license plate?
December 21st, 2012. Because that was the year that they thought the world was going to end.
The Mayans were going to have that...
What is this?
jamie vernon
This is a game called Ayahuasca.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Oh, we've kind of played this before, right?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think we did.
Yeah, we did.
It was really cool.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Snakes are rolling around, you're tripping balls.
Yeah, I wonder, I mean, this is probably pretty crude, right?
I mean, pretty amazing, but crude in comparison to not being able to distinguish whether or not you're there or not.
That's when it's going to get good enough to you, you might actually start tripping.
That was McKenna thought.
But the thing he thought was going to happen on December 21st, 2012, he thought it might be the invention of a time machine.
brian redban
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was his most interesting idea.
brian redban
And he's probably right.
It probably happened, we just don't know about it.
That's about the time the world started to end, right?
jamie vernon
When did that VR stuff come out?
That's pretty close to then, right?
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
Oculus Dev Kit.
I have it still.
jamie vernon
It was kind of around then.
brian redban
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I don't know about that exact date.
joe rogan
Well, VR had been around for a lot longer.
jamie vernon
I know, but...
joe rogan
It just had never gotten to the, like, sophisticated home-use, like, stage that everybody thought it was going to.
Like, technology had to catch up with the idea.
Like, the idea was amazing, but technology couldn't implement it quick enough, you know?
Like, what are the years it was, like, the first virtual reality movies?
Because there was movies...
brian redban
Or something like that.
Remember that movie?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he got super duper smart, right?
Didn't he get like downloaded into a computer or some shit?
brian redban
Something like that.
joe rogan
That was a Stephen King book, I believe.
I think it was.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Stephen King is the shit.
He's the shit.
Who has created, even though he's crazy on Twitter, who has created more fun?
I'll give him a free pass to talk crazy on Twitter for the rest of his life.
That guy made some of the greatest books ever for horror enthusiasts.
brian redban
Has he ever been on here?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
Oh, gosh.
joe rogan
Probably just yell about Trump.
He's very, very political.
brian redban
I just rewatched Misery the other day.
joe rogan
I love him, though.
I don't care.
I'm teasing.
I'm just playing because he's just super politically active.
But he seems like a great guy.
And his fucking work is magnificent.
You go back to The Shining.
God damn, that's a good book.
jamie vernon
There's a lawsuit about the movie I didn't...
joe rogan
Oh, no.
The film, originally titled Lawnmower Man, Stephen King's Lawnmower Man, differed so much from the source material that King sued the filmmakers in 1992 to remove his name from the title.
King stated that, in court documents, that the film bore no meaningful resemblance to his story.
unidentified
Okay.
brian redban
He bitches a lot, though, about the movies.
He hated a lot of maximum overdrive, didn't he?
joe rogan
But he didn't like The Shining.
brian redban
The Shining, that's right.
joe rogan
This is the problem.
brian redban
He made his own Shining.
joe rogan
He made his own Shining with the dude from Wings.
Remember that dude from Wings?
I was super pumped to see him now, because I met him.
I'm like, I know that dude.
brian redban
That's cool.
joe rogan
I met him at NBC party.
brian redban
Wings, dude.
joe rogan
But he didn't like that Jack Nicholson appeared to be crazy already.
He wanted the house to slowly take over.
In his book, it's a really gradual transformation, and it's fucking creepy.
His book is amazing.
It's amazing.
And those were the days when he was getting fucked up.
Like, he had these fucked up ideas coincidentally while he was getting fucked up.
He was doing bags of coke and drinking cases of beer.
brian redban
He doesn't even remember writing Cujo, I think it was.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't want to tell him to keep doing that.
Do it!
unidentified
Do it!
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I think he did it.
He did his time.
He did his time.
Let him write books on the natch now.
But goddamn, when that guy was lit, he made some of the craziest books ever.
brian redban
I would love to have him just get really into like DMT and like mushrooms and write a book.
joe rogan
Dude, Pet Sematary scared the fuck out of me when I was a kid.
brian redban
Great movie.
joe rogan
When I would take the tea to Taekwondo, I would read books.
That's what I was.
I was always reading Stephen King books.
That was always what I was reading.
I remember reading that just being freaked the fuck out.
That was such a good book.
Oh, but Carrie?
Carrie was amazing.
brian redban
Carrie was awesome.
joe rogan
Fuck, the movie was cool, but goddamn it.
brian redban
New one's not.
joe rogan
Oh, I haven't seen it.
brian redban
Oh, God.
joe rogan
I haven't seen it.
What is it?
unidentified
They redid it?
brian redban
It was horrible.
joe rogan
Why did they redo it?
brian redban
I don't know.
It's one of those movies that I watched it maybe a month ago, watched it, and I was so upset that I then turned around and watched the original one right after it, and the original one holds up everything so perfect about it that it didn't need to be remade, and then this one's just kind of like...
joe rogan
Why do you think they do that?
They redid Firestarter, too.
brian redban
Yeah, I never saw that.
joe rogan
It was Firestarter, right?
That they redid?
Firestarter?
No.
What was the one where the girl can start fires for their eyes?
brian redban
Drew Barrymore, right?
joe rogan
Right.
That's a Stephen King one, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't it?
brian redban
Yeah.
I think so.
joe rogan
Wasn't that Stephen King?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was actually coming out this year.
joe rogan
But they did redo it, right?
Drew Barrymore did it back in the day.
Carrie might be the best movie that ever, like, came out of a Stephen King book.
That might be the best movie.
brian redban
Yeah, it's just you feel so bad for her.
joe rogan
You feel so bad for her.
You're happy when she starts wrecking shit.
brian redban
Yeah, and the mom.
joe rogan
But that, like, represents in people, like, the same thing as the Hulk.
Like, this thing where you deserve it, you motherfucker.
Like, when they would fuck with Bruce Banner, they'd be like, you're making a terrible mistake.
And they would laugh at him.
brian redban
Look how cute she was.
joe rogan
Really cute.
Lighting shit on fire with her fucking mind.
brian redban
Whoa!
joe rogan
So that's the new girl?
brian redban
Who's that girl?
Who's the new girl?
joe rogan
So when did they do the new one?
jamie vernon
Just now.
Just this year.
joe rogan
Oh, is that another one?
jamie vernon
It just came out.
joe rogan
What's the one left there?
Is that the new one?
Oh, that's the new one.
brian redban
Huh.
joe rogan
Interesting.
brian redban
What reviews did it get or hasn't come out yet?
jamie vernon
That, I don't...
joe rogan
But it is interesting.
How many Spider-Mans have they done?
The origin story over and over and over again.
They have the same story with different guys.
brian redban
I know.
I like the new guy.
jamie vernon
They're not really the same story, though.
They're kind of different.
joe rogan
Settle down, nerd.
jamie vernon
No, I'm just saying.
I mean, I didn't even get into that.
There's like the original Spider-Man.
There's Amazing Spider-Man.
joe rogan
What is your favorite?
jamie vernon
There's different versions of them.
brian redban
I know my answer.
I know your answer.
joe rogan
My answer is Enter the Spider-Verse.
brian redban
Yeah.
Black Spider-Man.
joe rogan
Black Spider-Man is about Spider-Man.
jamie vernon
That's Miles Morales.
brian redban
Yep.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That work is amazing.
The film is amazing.
brian redban
The new one's coming out.
joe rogan
But you know what's dope about it is it's like it's realistic enough You know, it's like really intricate animation, but you can do things with animation you can't do with people.
And it is a goddamn comic book movie, ultimately.
I wonder if they could do that with the Avengers and it would be better.
brian redban
Probably.
Well, I don't know.
That's a fine line because the fact that Spider Pig in that movie worked so well.
I thought I was going to hate that movie so much when I heard about there's a pig in Spider-Man.
I was like, this is going to be the dumbest movie in the world.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't.
It was good.
brian redban
So good.
joe rogan
It was creative, but it made me realize you can do things with cartoons you can't do with real people.
Like South Park.
Impossible to do that show.
The greatest comedy show in the history of human race.
Agreed?
Everybody agrees.
You can't do it with regular people.
You can never have that show.
You have to have that show with animation.
And the genius of them and what they've created is you can get away with the most offensive shit with terrible animation.
Like real blocky, like when that dude, the teacher, sticks Paris Hilton up his ass.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that?
Remember that?
brian redban
Yes.
jamie vernon
Deadpool's gotten close.
brian redban
Deadpool's pretty good.
I like Deadpool.
joe rogan
How has Deadpool gotten close?
jamie vernon
Is it a lot of CGI? It's a lot of real, like, jokes.
brian redban
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Silly jokes, like, referencing each other.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
No, it's definitely funny.
But what I'm saying is, like, that with animation, you could do stuff that you can't do.
brian redban
Yeah.
jamie vernon
At the end of the day, these are all CGI, too.
They're mixing in some of them.
joe rogan
Right.
Like Spider-Man CGI, clearly.
No human being can move that way.
But the thing is, everything else is real.
It's almost like suspension of disbelief is more fun if it's all just a complete animation.
I used to love animated films when I was a kid, and they weren't that good.
But there was something cool about a whole movie that was animated.
Did you ever see Wizards?
brian redban
I've seen almost every cartoon movie.
Yeah, Wizards was amazing.
joe rogan
I saw Wizards and I had a Wizards poster in my room.
God, I wish I fucking still had that.
brian redban
Oh, you could still get it.
It's the one where he's sitting on top of the back of a thing.
Yeah, you could buy that poster easily.
joe rogan
That one right there.
Oh, okay.
Jamie, please get on that.
Get us a big one.
jamie vernon
Buy it right here.
joe rogan
Oh, good.
brian redban
Amazon.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
That's amazing.
Do you think we could get a giant metal one of the red one?
brian redban
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Go to that red image that you just showed before that.
That one, yeah.
Make that a little larger.
What if we got a giant metal print of that for the studio?
Fuck yeah, right?
I was a little kid.
My stepdad took me to see that.
I was probably like eight or nine.
brian redban
I like on the back of his saddle it says peace.
joe rogan
What?
Yeah.
It's a wild ass movie, man.
brian redban
It's great.
joe rogan
It's a wild ass movie and it was like, what year was it?
77?
Yeah, so I was 10 I guess.
Wow.
Wow.
But play some of that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it was a cool, like, apocalyptic movie.
And it was about...
I don't want to spoil the alert.
It's only 50 years old.
But these brothers...
unidentified
20th Century Fox presents Wizards.
joe rogan
There's like a good brother and a bad brother.
unidentified
A futuristic fantasy epic born in the mind of Ralph Bakshi, the master of animated magic.
joe rogan
Look how cool this looks.
brian redban
Yeah, it's rotoscoping right there.
joe rogan
I mean, it's a window in time, you know?
unidentified
It's the story of two brothers, Avatar and Blackboard.
Powerful wizards.
Immortal enemies from the day they were born.
Avatar, the good, who rules the peaceful kingdom of Monaghan with wisdom, science and technology were outlawed millions of years ago.
And magic.
joe rogan
But it's like an animated movie for adults.
unidentified
Evil.
joe rogan
Oh, I forgot about the Hitler part.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you've got to realize this is probably near the end of the Vietnam War.
brian redban
Yeah.
People are on acid and salt.
joe rogan
When did the Vietnam War end, Jimmy?
Don't answer this.
Oh, wait.
unidentified
Oh.
Look at this.
brian redban
Remember Felix the Cat?
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
I do.
You remember R. Crumb?
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
We brought up R. Crumb the other day on the podcast.
Like, that guy had some wild shit.
unidentified
April 30th, 1975. 75. Wow.
joe rogan
So this is two years after the end of the Vietnam War.
unidentified
And this is an anti-war cartoon for adults.
brian redban
I need to rewatch this.
It's been a while.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
This looks amazing!
You just gotta realize.
unidentified
It just looks amazing.
It looks fucking stupid.
joe rogan
It looks amazing because we're looking into a window in time.
You're looking into 1977. It's amazing because you're looking into...
There had never been animated movies like that before.
Not like that.
When did animated movies like the Disney movies, those were all really cool and everything, but they were...
You know, they were...
These are mainstream sort of princesses and witches.
unidentified
Were they now?
brian redban
I mean, Snow White was definitely not for adults.
joe rogan
I don't know about that, man.
I think back then they were probably for everybody.
Because the money would be in everybody.
Like, when you think about...
I haven't seen a Disney movie, like the old school Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
I haven't seen that in forever.
brian redban
Oh, you got it.
Fox and the Hound's a good one.
He's, I'm a hound dog!
joe rogan
If you think about those things, man, those are also like a weird window in time.
You know, it's really strange.
If you go to the Disneyland in California, they have a theater where you can watch the oldest Mickey Mouses.
brian redban
Right, the first one.
joe rogan
Watch the really old ones.
brian redban
Wild.
Yeah, I saw that.
It was cool.
joe rogan
But it's just a weird window into people back then.
The old Popeyes, you ever watch those?
brian redban
Of course.
joe rogan
Dude, they're the rapiest cartoon that's ever existed.
Bluto was always just trying to grab olive oil, literally trying to steal her.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Popeye always had to fight.
Like, that's probably, like, a window into, like, what kind of people were alive back then, right?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
You've seen the Robin Williams one, right?
joe rogan
That was amazing.
brian redban
I just rewatched that.
That's a good one also, yeah.
joe rogan
That was good.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
But it's like...
Those early ones, the early ones were really disturbing.
Like, Brutus should be killed.
brian redban
Yeah, he was kidnapping a woman over and over again.
unidentified
Over and over again.
joe rogan
He's a kidnapper.
He should be jailed.
unidentified
And still, all Popeye's, stay away from me, girl!
joe rogan
He'd beat his ass every week, but, I mean, after a while, that had to get tired.
No law enforcement back then.
brian redban
No police.
joe rogan
Right?
Did they ever get in trouble for anything?
brian redban
Did they have a cop character?
joe rogan
I think they probably did.
See if you find, like, a really old Popeye cartoon.
Old Popeye.
Because back then, who was that for?
Was that for little kids?
To see that Brutus is trying to steal?
Like, literally sex traffic?
brian redban
Yeah, you wouldn't think that would be marketed towards kids, would you?
joe rogan
What is he doing to Olive Oil?
Why is she screaming?
How come no one's helping?
He's dragging her away.
He's a giant dude with a huge beard.
brian redban
I mean, I liked Popeye as a kid, though, so...
joe rogan
Pride...
The Bride and Gloom.
1954. 1954. Look at this.
unidentified
They're sitting really apart from each other Holding hands on the couch Oh there's a cop Oh there's a cop It's getting late, Popeye.
joe rogan
You have to go.
And Popeye's in love.
Their hearts are flying off of them.
They're in love.
Look at this.
Look at all the heart stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Popeye accidentally put on her hat.
He gave her a kiss on her lips.
Look at that.
brian redban
He just came.
joe rogan
He just nutted.
Full on.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Look at him.
He's floating on air.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
That's how you feel right after you nut.
Oh no, and he floats over to a cop, and he kisses the cop on the cheek.
The cop doesn't do shit.
He literally just sexually harassed that cop.
You were allowed to do that back then.
brian redban
Yeah, nowadays you'd get shot.
joe rogan
Look, the cop, he got red in the face.
Do you think he liked it or do you think he was embarrassed?
I think he came.
brian redban
I think that was him.
jamie vernon
I just found out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Now he knows he's gay.
So there's like, oh my god, the photograph of Popeye is there while she's undressing.
And so she had to turn the photograph around.
brian redban
She's wearing a full-on dress.
joe rogan
Yeah, she sleeps.
And she's dreaming.
She's dreaming of marrying Popeye.
unidentified
Aww.
brian redban
She's about to get some.
joe rogan
That's sweet.
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
That's sweet.
jamie vernon
Oh, I might have picked one without Bluto.
unidentified
What?
No Bluto?
jamie vernon
Doesn't make sense.
brian redban
What?
joe rogan
They didn't understand you have to have an antagonist and a protagonist.
Yeah, find one with Bluto.
brian redban
Find a black and white one if he says it.
jamie vernon
It got remastered.
joe rogan
Why's he gotta pull out the spinach?
What happened?
He's gonna fuck people up?
Here he goes.
Oh, he had to eat his spinach to be able to say, I do.
Oh, my God.
That's a Herculean effort.
That's ridiculous.
Find one of them old black and white ones.
jamie vernon
It's 1933. Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
20 years earlier.
Holy shit.
Wasn't it?
The other one was 54?
unidentified
Wow, blow me down.
joe rogan
Dude, holy shit.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
Yeah, this is barely even animated.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
jamie vernon
It's like real.
unidentified
Wow.
brian redban
This is a good Popeye.
joe rogan
This is the real Popeye.
unidentified
1933. He's on top of one of those whales.
joe rogan
So do you think they made these for kids or did they make these for adults?
brian redban
I don't know, man.
I guess they would have made these had they been made for kids.
Because when I was a kid, we're the show.
They probably showed them at the movie theater.
jamie vernon
I heard a lot of people got mad when I was looking up the thriller stuff.
That got showed before Fantasia in 1983. Before a movie?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that before it was on MTV? Around the same time.
jamie vernon
They tried to win an Oscar with it.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
No shit.
jamie vernon
She had to have it in the theater.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's amazing.
Look at this.
This is very racist.
Every Mexican is hiding, waiting to pounce on Popeye.
Oh, he just punched that dude in the mouth for smiling at him.
unidentified
Wow.
brian redban
Look how she's dancing all sexy.
joe rogan
Look how she dances and look at the guy staring at her.
brian redban
Look, she had sexier clothes back then than she did at the other one 20 years later.
jamie vernon
Times have changed.
After the Roaring Twenties.
brian redban
She had shaved legs.
Oh no, she had stockings on.
joe rogan
Stockings.
Look at the stockings.
They go way high.
Look how high the stockings go.
jamie vernon
They didn't even have a Second World War yet.
joe rogan
Do you think that's why women wore those stockings with the clips?
Remember?
brian redban
Garters.
joe rogan
Those old-timey ones?
unidentified
Garters.
joe rogan
The black stockings?
That would be more sexy.
Do you think that's why they did it?
brian redban
Heck yeah.
joe rogan
It's not just to keep their legs warm?
brian redban
No, it's to camouflage the hair.
joe rogan
That's what I'm thinking.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brian redban
I mean, look at that girl in the back.
She has a beard.
joe rogan
When I was like 18 or 19, I dated this girl who was like this hardcore feminist, and all of her friends were hardcore feminists too.
It was very interesting.
It was when I met her when I was teaching Taekwondo, and she and her friends did not shave.
She was blonde, and you couldn't really see the hair on her legs, but her friend was Greek.
And it was wild.
She had, like, foot hair.
Like me.
Like, I have foot hair, she had foot hair.
brian redban
Disgusting.
joe rogan
She was very nice.
She didn't want to fucking shave her legs.
I'm like, okay.
When I was 18, you know, I was, uh...
I was open to any and all ideas.
I was like, I don't care.
Do whatever you want.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
When I was 18, I was trying to figure out what the fuck I was.
Who am I to tell someone they don't have to shave their legs?
Or they have to shave their legs.
It's like, who gives a shit?
I was young.
And after a while, I realized, if you could shave your legs, wouldn't you?
They look so much better.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think you should have to shave your legs.
I'm not telling you what to do.
But I think there's a reason why they're all shaving it.
It's interesting, like pubic hair.
I used to have that bit where I was like, if scientists from the future, or aliens, rather, if they were trying to study the human race, they would go, what happened to pubic hair?
It just all went away.
There was nothing written.
There was no doctrine.
Thou shall now shave thy pubic hair to support the continent.
No, it was just people just started watching porn.
And they went, oh, let's get rid of that.
And they all shaved their pubic hair.
It all went away.
Right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Until it didn't, and then girls brought it back, because it's kind of crazy.
Like, look at her, she's got pubes.
It's out of control.
But that's like one of the weird victories that porn had over culture.
Because it's almost a given that there's some maintenance done down there.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
Do you remember when you were in high school?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
When girls didn't do nothing?
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
It was chaos.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Madness.
brian redban
Insane.
joe rogan
I did this Italian girl.
brian redban
It's not fair.
Jesus, Italian girl?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was hot.
No one cared, though.
That was the thing.
It's not like having a crazy hairy vagina was bad.
Nobody cared.
They decided to care.
Somewhere along the line, people decided to care.
It became an issue.
brian redban
I wonder if a lot of disease and stuff went up after that, because, you know, the pubic hair is pretty much there to protect the vagina, like, filter it.
It's like the eyelash of the pussy.
joe rogan
Is that true?
brian redban
I think so.
I think that's what it's for, is to...
joe rogan
Right?
Is that real?
That doesn't seem like it makes sense.
brian redban
A bug gets stuck in there instead of going in there.
joe rogan
Because the opening is still the same.
It's all around the outside.
unidentified
Not when you got a big bush, you know?
joe rogan
I think it's more to keep it warm.
brian redban
Warm?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
I swear to God.
joe rogan
It's probably important to regulate heat.
brian redban
I swear to God I read this.
joe rogan
But listen, if you think about it, right?
brian redban
Probably a hustler.
joe rogan
If you think about it, with men in particular, our testicles are outside of our body.
It's a very vulnerable position.
And until we figured out pants and jockstraps and shit, it was probably always getting scratched on leaves.
And it probably had to stay warm somehow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I wonder if dude's dicks have gotten less hairy.
jamie vernon
Dr. Redban is, right?
joe rogan
Back in the day.
brian redban
Dr. Redban!
joe rogan
Protection from bacteria and other pathogens.
What?
You're right.
Pupic hair serves a similar function to eyelashes or nose hair.
brian redban
Oh my god, you nailed it.
unidentified
Did you just guess that?
joe rogan
Did you just guess that?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
You could have taken place this whole fucking study.
It should have just come to you.
Imagine how much money they spent on that study.
Put it back up so I can keep reading it.
That is, it traps dirt, debris, and potentially harmful microorganisms.
In addition, hair follicles produce sebum, an oil which actually prevents bacteria from reproducing.
Do you think that's what...
I wonder, listen to this, what if washing our hair is the reason why people get crabs and stuff?
Like bacteria and pathogens, like weird stuff that we get in our body.
I wonder if your hair all over your body, everywhere, protects you from a certain amount of interaction with bacteria.
If you just let it be what it is and don't wash it all the time.
Like if all those oils in your skin, I wonder if that helps protect you.
Because that's one thing that people fuck up when they get ringworm.
Guys who don't know any better, they use antibacterial soap on their whole body for ringworm.
brian redban
Oh, and it kills everything.
joe rogan
Kills everything.
Kills all of your biome.
So I knew this dude that I used to do jiu-jitsu with, and he got ringworm, and he's like, oh, I do it.
Because a lot of guys want to keep training.
They don't want to tell you that it's ringworm, but it's fucking ringworm.
And, like, sometimes you have to pull a guy aside and go, hey, man, you got to get out of here.
You got ringworm, bro.
And this guy, he used bleach.
brian redban
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He used bleach.
And it fucked his skin up.
And he started getting more of them.
And it was like he was developing rashes all over.
Because his body's defense...
It didn't kill all off the ringworm.
And his body defense to it, apparently, in his situation.
I think it was ignorance back then.
No one really had...
There was no resources in terms of Google search where you could get a detailed...
Maybe, I'm talking like 98, somewhere around then.
Was there like a search where you could...
Well, either way, he didn't fucking search, okay?
He put bleach on his skin.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he was using antibacterial soap.
So he was just torching his natural skin biome.
brian redban
Wow.
jamie vernon
This is semi-contradictory, just only in the sebum thing.
It just says they don't know what sebum does.
joe rogan
Okay, so sebaceous glands produce an oily substance termed sebum, the function of which is unknown.
In fact, the skin of children and the palmar and plantar skin of adults function well without sebum.
Sebaceous glands are part of the pylosebaceous unit and so are found wherever hair follicles are located.
In addition, Ectopic sebaceous glands are often found on mucous membranes where they may form small yellow papules called Fordyce spots.
In the skin, sebaceous glands are most prominent in the scalp and face and are moderately prominent on the upper trunk.
The size and secretory activity of these glands...
Imagine if you're like a science person and you're listening to me read this.
You shut the fuck up.
The sebaceous glands in newborns are enlarged.
So what is this saying about it?
jamie vernon
The last article we said, it just said sebum is antibacterial, and this says it's unknown what it is.
joe rogan
But even though it's unknown what the function is, is it known whether or not it's antibacterial?
The function of which might be unknown, but it still might have antibacterial properties.
Can you see, just Google, does sebum have antibacterial properties?
You know what I'm saying?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
The function could be unknown, but it might also just do something.
You know, sometimes things have like a secondary effect.
I'm trying to be a scientist, bro.
I'm not even trying to do some science in these bitches.
Sebum fatty acids enhance the innate immune defense.
Click on that one up there.
jamie vernon
That's a PubMed article.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I just want to hear the title.
Sebum-free fatty acids enhance the innate immune defense of human sebocytes by upregulating beta-defensin to expression.
So it enhances the innate immune defense of human, whatever the fuck a sebocyte is.
jamie vernon
I'm just going with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it says sebum may also act as a delivery system for antioxidants and antimicrobial peptides.
Such molecules with antimicrobial properties are cathelicidin, psoracin, dermsidin, and human HBD2. Interesting.
I mean, it's really interesting.
If you think about how many things we've done to ourselves, we didn't really realize it was bad until it was too late.
Like those women that used to work with radium, when they used to use radium paint, and they would lick their tongue, and they were all developing cancer.
We had no idea that was happening.
brian redban
I got these five Garfield cups from McDonald's from 1980 or 1979. Do you remember those glass ones that have Garfield on it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
I got them because I had one and I was like, I could get them all on eBay.
Bought them, been using them, found out that they were recalled because it had 10,000 times the amount of lead in the paint that's healthy or something.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
But those were, like, for kids' toys, and McDonald's has done it, like, four times.
They did it with Shreks.
Like, it's pretty crazy.
McDonald's keeps on trying to poison the kids with lead paint.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine if they have those toys.
The problem is those toys.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
Like, how do you...
You know when you get those Happy Meals with the toys?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do you make a plastic toy and make sure it's not fucking...
Where are you buying them?
brian redban
Right, China.
joe rogan
Yeah, where are you getting them made?
You're getting them made as cheaply as possible to shove into that because it's $1.99 or whatever it is for all that calories.
That's what's fucked.
What's fucked is the cheapest food is the worst for you with the most calories.
And it's so easy to get.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just pull in and you get it.
brian redban
Why is there not healthy fast food?
Like, real healthy fast food?
joe rogan
Nobody wants it!
unidentified
Shut the fuck up!
brian redban
But have they even really tried it?
joe rogan
I think it's harder to do because you have to prepare things fresh.
brian redban
More expensive.
joe rogan
I think the closest you get to that is In-N-Out.
Because In-N-Out literally starts cooking when you're in the driveway, and when you get up to there, your order's ready.
brian redban
Is that your favorite?
joe rogan
That's the shit.
brian redban
Five Guys is the best.
joe rogan
What are you saying?
I like Five Guys too.
But In-N-Out, I like that I could order just patties with cheese, which is mostly what I eat.
Just eat the patties with the cheese.
brian redban
And it's cheap, so you can get like four patties and cheese.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's good though.
It's like, it's freshly cooked and they don't have frozen ground meat.
It's the fucking bomb.
brian redban
Worst fries in the business though.
joe rogan
Shut your fucking hole.
I love their fries.
brian redban
You love their starchy ass, boring fries?
joe rogan
Tastes like potatoes.
I'm not scared of potatoes.
brian redban
Worst fries ever.
joe rogan
But I will agree that Five Guys has dominant fries as well.
brian redban
Great fries.
joe rogan
Five Guys will hit you with them Cajun fries.
Cajun fries, that's the shit.
Cajun fries with ketchup?
Oh my god, that's a delicious flavor.
Cajun fries dipped in the ketchup?
Come on!
And Five Guys, they get that squirty thing of ketchup, so you get a nice little fucking batch, get them Cajun fries.
I like Five Guys.
If I'm eating bread, I might prefer Five Guys because you can get jalapenos at Five Guys.
You can get other shit.
You can get bacon, jalapenos.
That's big.
brian redban
You can get it wrapped at Five Guys also.
joe rogan
Why would you?
brian redban
For that burger meat.
unidentified
You're there.
brian redban
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
You're there.
I think it's just like limited to occasionally.
The thing about stuff that's delicious, but you know is not good for you, just occasionally.
You know, there's things that are delicious, like a croissant.
A croissant with chocolate in it.
Come on.
Every now and then, you should experience that.
It's someone's expression of culinary love.
You know, it's baking love.
You know?
A nice, warm, fresh out of the oven croissant with chocolate.
It's moist and gooey and buttery.
A croissant's buttery.
Oh, yummy, yummy, yummy.
brian redban
Root beer milkshake from P. Terry's.
Have you had that yet?
joe rogan
I have not.
brian redban
It's the best thing ever.
They use the syrup that they make root beer with, and it is poured into the ice cream milkshake.
So it's like a root beer float that always has the best version of a root beer.
joe rogan
How many calories would you estimate that to be?
brian redban
Oh, God.
300, probably, for a medium.
joe rogan
300. 200. Do you ever go on...
jamie vernon
It's way more than that.
brian redban
Is it?
300 calories per medium.
Look it up.
No idea.
Right, what do you think it is?
joe rogan
A thousand.
brian redban
A thousand?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it might be a thousand.
Might be a million.
jamie vernon
It's pretty close to a thousand.
brian redban
Root beer, milk.
joe rogan
So let's...
What do you think is like the most calorie dense drink that exists?
Would it be like those...
jamie vernon
A protein shake.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean sugar.
How many calories for something someone buys?
Slurpees, those fucking red and blue Slurpees.
Those have to be crazy bad.
What is a Big Gulp Slurpee?
brian redban
I don't think it's that bad because it's just like a soda pop that's frozen.
joe rogan
It's so good though.
It must have so much sugar in it.
It's so much more delicious than regular soda.
brian redban
Oh, 680 calories.
joe rogan
680?
I want you to get on a bike and try to burn 680 calories.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
It's so hard.
brian redban
I'll get on my e-bikes.
joe rogan
I have that salt bike, the echo bike from Rogue, you know that thing?
Where you like, it's a fan, you're propelling a fan, and you're doing your arms and your legs at the same time.
brian redban
Yeah, I got an elliptical.
joe rogan
I go ham on that thing, and I get off, it's like 200 calories.
I'm like, what?
brian redban
Yeah, it's kind of bullshit.
What?
joe rogan
200?
Like, to get 1,000 calories, you gotta fucking haul ass for a long period of time.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much effort is involved to get 1,000 calories?
Like, if you're doing a bike, if you're riding like a Peloton, what kind of effort do you have to do to get 1,000 calories?
Seems like that'd be like a couple of hours.
brian redban
A couple of hours, because I think the hardest I've ever gone on an elliptical, I'd never get it.
That's pretty fast.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
If you're cycling at a rate of 10 to 12 miles an hour, you can burn roughly 7 calories per minute, depending on how much you weigh.
If you bump up the intensity to 14 to 16 miles an hour, you can burn up to 15 calories per minute.
Based on those numbers, you'd have to maintain a pace of 14 miles per hour for about 65 to 70 minutes to burn 1,000 calories.
Whoa, that's a lot of, that's a lot of fucking effort.
unidentified
Yeah, that's pretty fast too, 14 to 16. Now imagine what those fucking Tour de France guys burn in a day.
joe rogan
Imagine what that's like.
brian redban
Nuts.
joe rogan
Dude.
Fuck all that.
A lot of bike riders around here, right?
And they all dress like they're in the Tour de France.
jamie vernon
Oh, it's all 21 stages.
brian redban
Tons.
jamie vernon
6,000 per stage.
unidentified
Does anybody ride a serious bike with regular clothes?
brian redban
I do.
Well, I don't...
I mean, I ride e-bikes.
joe rogan
Those bike guys are all riding like they're in a race where you have to be streamlined.
brian redban
Do you have an e-bike yet?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
Oh my god, you would have so much fun on it.
It's like having your own little motorcycle dirt bike.
joe rogan
Why not just get a motorcycle or a dirt bike?
brian redban
Because you don't need a license or insurance and you can just...
You can drive around mountains.
And you can go on bike paths.
On most bike paths, you can just bring it on your bike path.
joe rogan
Because it's silent?
brian redban
Because it's silent and it's a bike, a legal bike.
joe rogan
Oh, I've used those before deer hunting with John Dudley.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
My friend John Dudley has this beautiful place in Iowa, and he has, like, cultivated it for all archery deer hunting.
So he has all these ways to go in without leaving any scent.
And the best way to go in is on an e-bike, because your feet never touch the ground.
So you don't rub up against the branches and shit with your clothing and stink things up.
So you're riding this bike, and the bike is just rubber, and the deer don't recognize that.
It smells like a predator.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
And then he parks the e-bikes and climbs up a tree.
brian redban
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Like a fucking ninja.
brian redban
Probably has a Sur on.
joe rogan
Sir Ron, what's that?
brian redban
It's like one of the best dirt bike.
joe rogan
I don't know what he has, but uh, they're cool It's a way easier ride because that way you don't want to get sweaty The thing is like if you get all it's cold as shit in Iowa in November, right?
So you get in there You do not want to be sweaty and then sit still because you'll fucking freeze your ass off It's not good for you, which is why people by the way wear wool clothing That's the secret.
You get wet and sweaty with wool on, it maintains your body temperature.
It's really weird.
brian redban
Yeah, because you're a girl sheep.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
Is this the one John has?
jamie vernon
What's John talking about?
joe rogan
Let me play John what he's saying.
He must be doing a commercial for these guys.
brian redban
That looks like a motorcycle.
joe rogan
This is a new one.
brian redban
Oh, look at the wheels.
unidentified
They're nice.
Oh, sick.
Or on the hunt.
I've used this thing in several different types of settings, everywhere from the mountains out west all the way to right here in the heart of the Midwest.
joe rogan
Wild.
unidentified
I can tell you, I couldn't be more excited, not only about Volcon's.
brian redban
I've never heard of that.
unidentified
grunt but also the future ones that are coming down the road make sure you head to the website and check them out this is going to completely change the outdoor world You'll get pulled over for that.
joe rogan
That seems like an electric motorcycle that you could take on a dirt road.
And I wonder how fast they go.
That's where it gets dangerous.
brian redban
Yeah.
I have one that goes, I think, 40. I've got an advertised scooter that goes 60. Janus, I bought Janus a scooter and I didn't know it went 60. They have a professional scooter league now.
joe rogan
Oh, no they don't.
I've seen the flips that people do with scooters.
I saw this dude hit a skateboard ramp and did a full flip and landed on the skateboard on top.
I'm like, oh my god.
I landed on the E-whatever-the-fuck scooter on top with his hands on them.
brian redban
Have you seen the Super 73 new motorcycle, E-motorcycle?
joe rogan
What is this, Jamie?
Oh my god, they're flying.
They're racing in scooters.
With motorcycle outfits on.
jamie vernon
It's kind of fun.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit, they're that fast?
Because they're electric, right?
That makes sense, just like a Tesla.
They'd be stupid fast.
brian redban
And they have greats.
The one I have, amazing suspension.
I could go over rocks.
unidentified
Oh, this is kind of wild.
joe rogan
I wonder how much worse that is at handling than a regular motorcycle.
jamie vernon
Oh.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean...
jamie vernon
In theory, aren't they powered by the same motor?
joe rogan
I don't know, but you're upright.
I would wonder if, like, being low with a lower center of gravity would make maneuvers more easy.
Does that make sense?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, like, if you're standing up, it seems like maybe that would be harder to hit, like, hard turns like that.
Like, if you're sitting on a bike and you're, like, hunkered down on the bike.
jamie vernon
It's pretty sideways there.
brian redban
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
I don't know.
But it's crazy that kids are just gonna buy these and whizz into traffic.
brian redban
They're so popular right now.
It's insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In downtown Austin, it's nuts.
It's like Scooterville every day.
brian redban
Yeah.
My friend Dylan, he has a whole YouTube channel where all he does is he lives in a bus with solar and he just goes riding with a group of like 40 people throughout LA and different cities.
They're like bike gangs.
And they're all on e-bikes, they're all on those one-wheels, they're all on these electric things, and they just roll around and just go through red lights and stuff like that.
Jesus Christ.
It's gotten so popular with that, though.
joe rogan
I watched a couple guys go through a red light the other night.
I'm like, what are you doing, man?
They looked, they looked, they just went for it.
I'm like, oh my God.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if you fall?
Well, there's a...
I can't tell that story.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
Shit.
I'll tell you afterwards.
Remind me.
brian redban
Okay.
joe rogan
Dog shit.
Remind me.
brian redban
Dog shit.
Oh, man.
Dog shit.
joe rogan
I'll tell you later.
It's funny, though.
Not my dog.
Some lady.
Her dog took a shit in the middle of a crosswalk, and she stopped and picked up the dog shit and stopped traffic.
brian redban
Oh, really?
joe rogan
She's bent over, scooping up traffic in the middle of the crosswalk.
brian redban
Well, I guess that's the right thing to do.
Someone steps on it, but...
joe rogan
Get off the road.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go back and get it the same way a crow gets a dead squirrel.
brian redban
That's right.
joe rogan
Just let that shit go.
Don't get killed.
That's all I can say about that.
brian redban
Oh, I got a Supra since last time.
joe rogan
I know, dude.
I love it.
I saw the sickest one yesterday.
I was thinking, yeah, I saw a really sick silver one.
So I'm going to take in a silver one and just like one of those images that I sent you, it had like that fin on the back.
Yeah.
And then it had those like really cool wheels put on it.
Oh my God.
What a great shape.
brian redban
Yeah, I'm thinking of getting it colored or wrapped a different color or something like that.
I like the white, but...
joe rogan
What would you get?
brian redban
Pink camo?
unidentified
I don't know.
brian redban
I've always been a matte black everything.
joe rogan
Matte black's dope?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
The only problem with...
I've had friends that have had cars that have been wrapped and they get bubbles and shit.
You gotta make sure that people do it.
They do a good job.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sometimes they peel off and shit, and that's annoying.
They gotta bring it back in.
They gotta do it again.
brian redban
Especially in LA, they only last like two or three years.
joe rogan
What about out here?
It's hot as fuck.
brian redban
Yeah, it's probably...
Well, it's moist out here, though.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Is that better?
brian redban
Probably.
I get Expel, which is the paint protection film, where if you scratch it and the sun hits it, it melts it back together.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
And it lasts like ten years.
What?
It's great.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
It's Wolverine?
brian redban
It's pretty much like Wolverine.
joe rogan
Wolverine paint.
brian redban
Yeah, it's Wolverine paint.
unidentified
Whoa!
brian redban
And it's cool because it's...
joe rogan
Don't tell people that.
They're going to try it.
brian redban
No, no, I know.
That's a bad idea.
But yeah, it's great because it not only protects your paint, it's like really strong.
So like if rocks hit it and stuff like that, it doesn't do anything with the paint.
joe rogan
They have that ceramic coating too, so it's easy to wash your car.
Just hose it off almost.
Stuff barely sticks to it, just slides and glides right off of it.
It's like some sort of ceramic coating that they put on it.
brian redban
Except I have hard water, so any time I do that, it just leaves those little dots everywhere.
joe rogan
Doesn't that just mean minerals?
brian redban
Minerals, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that good for you?
It's probably good for you.
brian redban
I don't know.
unidentified
Is it?
jamie vernon
It feels weird.
joe rogan
It feels weird on you.
brian redban
It feels weird?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
If there's a lot, it leaves like a film, like a slimy film.
joe rogan
Right.
What is that, though?
Hard water is just minerals, right?
Let's Google, are there any benefits to hard water?
Are there any health benefits to hard water?
brian redban
I have a water softener, so it's all salt.
And I always thought that's why it felt slimy, because of the water softener.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So then you can't drink it?
Can you still drink it?
brian redban
Oh, no.
You can drink it.
joe rogan
With salt in it?
brian redban
How much salt is it?
It's a lot of salt.
joe rogan
So you taste salty water?
brian redban
No, because I also have...
jamie vernon
Probably getting pickled.
joe rogan
The mineral composition of hard water gives it a ton of health benefits, such as protecting your heart and bones.
Holy shit.
Calcium helps prevent osteoporosis, whilst the benefits of hard water are substantial.
Its mineral composition is not great for your hair and skin.
Wow.
So it's good to drink.
It's good to drink hard water.
But the mineral composition is not great for your hair and skin.
brian redban
It dries you out.
joe rogan
Well, my hair and skin, I don't give a fuck about it.
So let's go.
jamie vernon
Next one.
joe rogan
I'll moisturize myself.
Next.
What does hard water do to your insides?
Oh boy.
High levels of calcium and magnesium can affect several organs in your body and cause health problems.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Shit one of the most severe effects of hard water is an increased risk of cardiovascular disease whoa according to several International studies both heart disease and high blood pressure can be caused by drinking hard water interesting So what was the other one saying then?
Is this like still up for debate or was the other one like a wacky one?
Well, that one's in the UK. Interesting.
I wonder who's right and who's been paid off.
brian redban
And the other websites from Service Pro Plumbers.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
It is.
It's a plumbing propaganda website.
brian redban
Yeah, because they're selling cleaners.
joe rogan
To get you to fix your fucking hard water.
brian redban
No, to have what I have, like a reverse osmosis water.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
Well, there's also soft water, so there's both sides of it.
joe rogan
Okay, but that's kind of hilarious.
That it's service pros, plumbers.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
That's kind of hilarious.
unidentified
You better fix that right now, and we can do it today for $99.99.
brian redban
Yeah, they're hooking up water filters underneath your sink.
joe rogan
Wow.
But what's true?
Why should we not drink hard water?
Here we go.
One of the most obvious effects of hard water is skin irritation and eczema is an example to it.
Using hard water not only makes your skin dry, but also leads to bumpy patches on the skin.
These skin problems are caused by the presence of excessive minerals in the water.
So that's the negative.
So the negative is that it fucks with your skin.
Click on that one.
Three possible effects of using hard water on the human body.
brian redban
She looks pretty fine.
jamie vernon
Before we go further, though, this is also health care products.
Get out of here.
joe rogan
Sell me some shit to fix hard water.
The advantages of eating soft water.
Okay, go lower.
Hard water lead to hair loss.
The effects of hard water on your kidney.
Uh-oh.
Kidney dysfunction.
Click on that.
See if it's a science study.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it is, I think.
joe rogan
Let's see what it says.
The effects of hard water consumption on kidney function.
Insights from mathematical modeling.
jamie vernon
Wow.
joe rogan
Hmm.
brian redban
Goddamn liberals.
joe rogan
I don't know who's right.
It's hard to know who's right on that one, you know?
Hey Marsha, you up buddy?
Nope, back down.
We're too loud.
Hard to know who's right.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
But definitely minerals are important.
Like, you fucking need minerals.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a book that I read way back in the Disney called Dead Doctors Don't Lie.
This is this guy, Dr. Joel Wallach, and he was pointing out that, like, why is it that when animals, like, when you have a farm and your animals show, like, signs of diseases, you feed them minerals.
You give them minerals in their diet.
And it helps cure a lot of ailments that these animals go through.
But you don't do that with people.
And he was like, mineral deficiencies are a real problem.
I don't know if this is true, but he was talking about the minerals in the topsoil.
They've been nutrient deficient for like the last who knows how many years.
But like they keep recycling the topsoil and they add stuff to it.
They have to add things to it.
They have to add, you know, chemical fertilizers and all this different shit.
Nitrogen and all this different shit to try to get food to grow in it again.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that we need minerals.
brian redban
We do.
joe rogan
So maybe there's an anti-mineral campaign.
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
But maybe there's too many minerals in that hard water.
brian redban
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Maybe it's both things at the same time.
brian redban
If you have hard water, it always destroys everything, you know, like your bathtubs and stuff like that.
It turns everything white and...
joe rogan
Maybe what you need is like a little bit of hard water.
You know?
Like a little bit of hard water every now and again is probably good for you.
Because you get all that minerals.
But just don't drink it every day.
Maybe.
brian redban
Do you have hard water where you're at?
joe rogan
Yeah, we have hard water.
brian redban
So you have a water softener?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder what it actually does though.
I wonder how much it takes out.
brian redban
I have to dump like two or three huge bags in it every couple months.
You know, of salt and...
joe rogan
Yeah, but how's that working?
brian redban
I don't know what it does, man.
I think it filters through the salt.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's pretty wild about filters.
Like, they make filters with, like, sand and rocks, and you can take, like, nasty water and pour it through that filter, and it'll come out clear.
brian redban
They have a life straw or whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have those.
They have those straws that you can, like, walk up to a fucking pond and suck through the...
It looks like a vape pen almost, like a big vape pen.
You just suck through.
brian redban
Oh, you know what?
Totally off random.
You giving people smelling salts, you need to do that to every single guest.
joe rogan
Do you want to try it?
Yeah, you need to try it.
brian redban
It's just ammonia, right?
joe rogan
We have it over there, Jamie?
Jamie's got it.
brian redban
It's just ammonia, right?
Oh, he's got it locked up.
Is it just super ammonia?
joe rogan
Oh, well, you know who Juju Mufu is?
brian redban
Yeah, the fight...
joe rogan
No, he's like a power lifter dude.
He's fucking uber jacked.
brian redban
He does it before he works out.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's his company.
And I think it's called, ah, or something like that.
Something crazy like that.
It's so ridiculous.
Like, you're not going to believe how ridiculous it is.
Like, you take a sniff and you're like, what?
brian redban
I'm kind of scared, dude.
joe rogan
How the fuck are you selling this?
brian redban
I'm kind of scared about it.
joe rogan
But everybody who tries it gets shocked.
brian redban
I know.
joe rogan
I guess what they do is they do the smelling salts to jack up their central nervous system and then they lift.
brian redban
Let me start my heart rate monitor.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Get that heart rate monitor going.
Okay, here we go.
Heart rate monitor.
brian redban
It's on.
joe rogan
It's on?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
joe rogan
What's it showing now?
brian redban
Hold on.
It's measuring.
98. Okay, let's calm down.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
You're a little high right now.
98's a little high.
I know you're anticipating this, but I want a real good reaction.
I want a real one.
I want an elevated heart rate to begin with.
brian redban
Okay.
joe rogan
Are you ready?
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm going to hand it to you.
Screw it on.
brian redban
Oh, God.
I'm so scared, dude.
joe rogan
Unscrew it yourself.
brian redban
I'm scared.
joe rogan
And then take a nice, big, deep whiff and don't be a pussy.
unidentified
Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh my god!
joe rogan
Right?
brian redban
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Marshall's up.
Marshall's checking in on you.
Look how sweet he is.
brian redban
I'm okay, Marshall.
joe rogan
Look how sweet he is.
unidentified
Okay, thank you.
joe rogan
He's checking in on you.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Here we go.
unidentified
Is it not bothering you?
jamie vernon
It's wrong.
brian redban
It wasn't as strong as I thought it was going to be.
joe rogan
It's not as strong anymore.
jamie vernon
Is it weakening?
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
jamie vernon
I'll have to test it.
joe rogan
You got lucky, bitch.
You got lucky.
brian redban
It still got me.
jamie vernon
I think we have another one we never wrote.
joe rogan
I think it has to be unopened.
Try it.
Marshall's freaking out.
brian redban
Still got me.
joe rogan
No, it ain't that bad, man.
It ain't that bad.
jamie vernon
Right?
joe rogan
Not nearly.
jamie vernon
Something happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, not nearly.
Not nearly.
brian redban
Okay.
jamie vernon
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to...
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Dude, that reaction you had to that, buckle up, son.
brian redban
It's still got it.
I took a big hit there.
joe rogan
Buckle up.
We're going to get the other one.
jamie vernon
Two seconds.
Let me see if it...
joe rogan
It must dry out or something.
That makes sense.
I mean, how long could that possibly last?
brian redban
That's still pretty nasty.
joe rogan
It's fucking insane.
brian redban
What is that?
I've smelled that before.
joe rogan
Imagine what it's like to him.
brian redban
Oh, he probably smells it right now.
joe rogan
He's probably like, what the fuck are you doing to me here?
brian redban
He's looking at the door.
Oh, now he's licking himself.
joe rogan
Constantly.
Hey, get out of there, sir.
Yeah, that ain't shit.
But when you get the new one, hopefully they can find the new one.
brian redban
So what's the difference between that and the cracker?
joe rogan
I think it's the same shape.
No, no, no.
Well, there's poppers, which is amyl nitrate.
brian redban
That's what the gay people do to have butt sex.
joe rogan
How dare you?
brian redban
I mean, that's what they do.
joe rogan
I think straight people have done it, too.
brian redban
Oh, really?
joe rogan
But yeah, I think gay people do it primarily.
brian redban
So that's the same thing as poppers?
Is that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was a big party drug in the gay community that a lot of people were attributing to diminishing people's immune systems and wrecking your body and causing brain damage.
It's really fucking bad for you.
When Jamie comes back, we'll Google the health effects of poppers, of amyl nitrate.
It's really, really bad for you.
But that's not this stuff.
This stuff is like the stuff they use to wake people up when they've been knocked out.
Smelling sauce.
It's like pneumonia.
It's like a strong pneumonia smell.
Like what you just got, it ain't shit.
brian redban
Jesus.
joe rogan
It ain't shit.
Wait till you get a full whi- God, I hope that we're not building up something that doesn't exist anymore.
Because if somebody took it, these things are just laying around here sometimes.
brian redban
You need to have it every single guest.
Just have it like, hey, you want to try one?
joe rogan
Nah.
Scientists and shit?
unidentified
That'd be so rude.
joe rogan
No, I don't want to fuck with them.
You don't want nothing?
unidentified
Okay.
brian redban
To be continued.
joe rogan
To be continued.
On the next time Red Band is here, we will have procured a solid supply of such items.
Did we really only have one?
I thought we had two, man.
jamie vernon
I thought we had two, but no one knows where the second bag is.
joe rogan
But trust me.
So shout out to that dude.
It says, warning, read all precautions on bottle label prior to use.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Is there any negatives to it?
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm sure.
You know, I haven't been feeling so good since I started doing it.
brian redban
I wonder if that would work with, you know, the fentanyl people instead of NorCam or whatever that shit is called.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
All that does is just, like, whack you out for a couple seconds.
jamie vernon
I only ordered one.
joe rogan
You only ordered one?
Alright, ordered ten.
brian redban
You should get a couple of the poppy ones, too, just to try out the differences.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the other thing we wanted to look up.
Google the negative health effects of amyl nitrate poppers.
Because that was a thing that they were trying to educate people on.
Like, hey, you can't be doing this.
This is fucking dangerous.
brian redban
And was it to open up your butthole when you go, ah, and then you just shove it in real quick?
joe rogan
Is that how you do it?
unidentified
Let's listen to that sound again.
I don't know why they do it.
joe rogan
I think part of it was like a sex drug.
They were having a good time.
brian redban
Yeah, that's what I always thought.
joe rogan
Poppers are liquid substances that people sometimes inhale to experience euphoria or enhance sex.
They were previously sold in glass vials that made a popping noise when crushed, hence the name.
They belong to a class of chemicals called amyl nitrates which were once used to manage heart-related symptoms including angina or chest pain.
While this kind of medical use still happens, it's not common.
Today you usually find poppers in small plastic bottles in the United States.
Poppers aren't illegal.
But selling them for non-prescribed consumption is illegal.
As a result, many shops and online retailers market poppers as solvents, leather cleaner, nail polish remover, deodorizer, just like they used to do with bath salts.
Remember that?
They were selling meth.
What do poppers do?
Poppers are vasodilators, which means they widen blood vessels when inhaled.
They cause a rapid dip in blood pressure that can result in an immediate but short-lived rush of euphoria and relaxation.
These effects can last for a few minutes.
Poppers are often associated with sex for a couple reasons.
First, they tend to cause lowered inhibitions and sexual arousal.
Second, poppers relax smooth muscles in the body, including those found in the Anus.
unidentified
Ow!
joe rogan
And vagina, making anal and vaginal sex more pleasurable.
While poppers are often associated with gay men, people of all genders and sexualities, Brian, have used them recreationally since the 1960s.
So what are the side effects?
Okay.
In addition to euphoria and muscle relaxation, poppers can also cause some less pleasant side effects, including headaches, particularly after use, dizziness, nausea, fainting, pressure in the sinuses, eyes are both...
Is this the popper lobby that's putting this out?
brian redban
Oh, it's the plumber website again.
joe rogan
Are they dangerous?
Poppers carry a low risk of dependence and addiction, but that doesn't mean they're totally safe to use.
Here's a closer look at some of the risks that come with some poppers.
Chemical burns.
Eye damage.
People experiencing permanent eye damage after inhaling certain brands of poppers, particularly those containing isopropyl nitrate.
Medication interactions.
Higher risk situations.
Remember, poppers lower your inhibition.
That can cause you to do things you wouldn't normally do, like have sex without a barrier method to protect and reduce your risk of sexually transmitted diseases.
Here's a big one at the end.
Say that.
Globin Benemia Meth Tha mo glow Bin the menia if you swallow poppers or inhale a very large amount of them.
There's a risk of that word and A potentially life-threatening condition that occurs when your blood cells contain too much methemoglobin.
This makes it harder for your blood to carry oxygen throughout your body, which can have a serious impact on your organs.
There's the one I'm looking for.
I knew it was bad for you.
I think that's the one.
I think what I had read about it was that it was crushing people's immune systems.
brian redban
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
It would cause them to get all kinds of other, you know...
brian redban
HIV and stuff.
joe rogan
All kinds of shit.
I mean, if your immune system's fucked, you know, if you're taking poppers all the time, just jolting your whole system, control-alt-deleting your whole system and getting buttfucked.
Like, yo.
That's a lot.
brian redban
That's a lot to take in.
joe rogan
That's a lot.
There's a lot going on.
How do we get to poppers?
Oh, those smelling salts.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
The smelling salts are definitely different than poppers.
These things are just fun.
brian redban
That's medical.
A lot of first aid kits have those in there.
joe rogan
Yeah?
brian redban
I thought.
The snappy kind.
joe rogan
I bet it's probably similar to the smelling salts.
jamie vernon
Yeah, when you get knocked out.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they have them in like a capsule form, right?
And you break open the capsule.
Yeah, they used to do that to fighters in between corners, between rounds.
Break open a capsule and have them smell.
They'd wake them up.
These guys are doing it.
So they're snorting them before games.
They're taking sniffs before games.
brian redban
I wonder if they're addicted to it.
Like the sports industry, they're all addicted to these things.
joe rogan
Look at this.
It says, overuse of smelling salts may lead to damage to your nasal passages.
The sharp fumes from the ammonia may burn the membranes in your nostrils, but this would require frequent and heavy use of smelling salts.
I don't know, man, but those pro football players, they're not doing it because it's fun.
brian redban
I heard that there are people that like the buzz from it and that do it a lot.
joe rogan
I was looking forward to it.
100%.
I was 100% looking forward to it.
When Jamie brought it back, I was secretly ready for that exciting joke.
brian redban
Just want a taste, Jamie.
joe rogan
Just a taste.
And then I was like, oh my god, do I have COVID? I was like, uh-oh.
I was like, I don't smell shit.
But I'm like, no, I smell things.
I smell my coffee.
This ain't working.
brian redban
Right.
I can't even imagine how much worse it is.
joe rogan
It's way worse.
Like, sharp.
brian redban
Because when I opened it up, maybe I got all the...
joe rogan
Oh, you might have.
Yeah, you might have, right?
It probably was contained.
You probably got a bigger dose.
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, if there was anything left in there, you got it.
Yeah.
But they all do it, so it must work.
Those power-lefter guys, they're just trying to stack heavier and heavier and heavier weights all the time.
So they're always trying to get to that state where they're just fucking...
And when you watch them get psyched up for lifts, it's kind of crazy.
I know a lot of people think it's silly because you're not involved in that culture.
But one of the things that we learned when Jamie and I went to visit Louis Simmons, rest in peace to the great Louis Simmons, also out of Columbus, Ohio.
We went to visit him and talked to him about powerlifting.
You get a sense like, this isn't a game for these guys.
This is life.
Life is how much weight can you lift.
Sounds crazy, right?
But how come it's okay if someone says life is bowling?
You know, life is disc golf.
Life is, you know, what?
For these guys, it's lifting heavy shit.
It's the same thing.
It's just that they've dedicated themselves to this relatively speaking obscure activity.
Because everybody lifts weights, but not everybody power lifts and does fucking 700-pound deadlifts and shit and 1,000-pound squats.
These people are animals.
These are not normal human beings.
But that's their thing.
That's their thing.
Like someone's into tennis.
Tennis is life.
They travel around the world, see the US Open, Gold, France, and they're watching Wimbledon.
They love it.
That's their thing.
These fucking people, it's like doing smelling salts, smacking each other in the chest, and lifting heavy giant shit.
Powerlifting's most exclusive and controversial gym.
But if you want to make people that all they give a fuck about is lifting the heaviest fucking shit humanly possible, that's where you go.
You go to a powerlifting gym.
A lot of athletes went to him, though, because he had these wild methods of generating strength.
A lot of Columbus-based athletes.
Matt the Immortal Brown, he trained with him.
Look at that dude.
He's fucking jacked.
He's a little excited, right?
He shattered the all-time bench press record with 903 pounds.
Let's watch that.
That is fucking insane.
That is fucking insane.
unidentified
I guess it's the end of it.
joe rogan
He got it up.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
Look at that guy.
He's very jacked.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing, right?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
The ability to lift really fucking super, super, super heavy shit.
And while we were there, we met a couple of guys that had records.
Like, oh, he's got the record for the best hamstring curl.
It was like different guys at different, like, crazy lifting records.
brian redban
That's why Schwarzenegger always goes there.
joe rogan
Does he?
brian redban
Columbus.
joe rogan
Is that why he goes there?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why the Arnold Classic is there?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because of what?
brian redban
Because there's a huge power lifting...
jamie vernon
Sort of, yeah.
He made a business partnership with the guy that runs Nationwide, and that's why they put it there.
unidentified
Nationwide.
joe rogan
They used to have UFC fights during the week of the Arnold Classic.
brian redban
Yeah, that was the shit.
Remember that?
Yeah.
And it made so much sense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So smart.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why not?
That was back in the day.
Is bodybuilding still as popular as it used to be?
brian redban
I think it's probably more so.
jamie vernon
I mean, that's what my Instagram feeds me is a bunch of people doing bodybuilding shit.
Like, you know, it's a little bit of CrossFit, but it's a little bit of still competition stuff.
brian redban
Damn, that's what your Instagram feed is?
I feel so sad for you.
unidentified
That's all I have bodybuilders.
jamie vernon
That and golf is because it's working out stuff.
unidentified
And golf.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That look that they get right before they go on stage, man, that is so unhealthy.
It's so crazy that the most unhealthy time, they look the best.
They're so depleted of water, man.
That's part of the reason why they're so shredded.
They're so dehydrated, man.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're blacking out.
They have no body fat.
They get down to zero body fat.
They're on every fucking chemical known to man.
When you see those fucking gigantic super jack guys that have zero body fat- And they die early, too.
All the time.
You can't keep that going for very long.
Those guys are so lean- You can't keep that going for very long.
You can't stay at that leanness for very long.
You can stay pretty fucking lean.
Some guys, obviously, they have more natural tendency to be lean than other guys do.
But when they get down to like this, you're on fucking zero.
You're on empty.
I mean, a lot of these guys, they get really tired after they do this stuff, too.
You've got to imagine, you're flexing every muscle in your body and you're dehydrated.
But if you look back at Arnold, look at that picture of Arnold up there.
They say that he couldn't compete with today's bodybuilders, but honestly, I think that looks better.
I really do.
brian redban
It looks a lot better.
joe rogan
That looks better.
He looks fucking fantastic.
brian redban
That looks way more natural than the goofiness that nowadays...
joe rogan
He looks like a super strong giant man.
Do the one where he's doing the double biceps?
That one?
Yeah, that one.
Look at that.
Dude, he looks fucking fantastic.
I mean, obviously he's a bodybuilder, no question about it, but I think that's like a healthier look, a better look for a bodybuilder than the crazy size these guys put on now.
As a human, that looks better.
But then when you go to Ronnie Coleman in his prime, that's way more impressive.
Google Ronnie Coleman in his prime.
jamie vernon
Jesus Christ, that guy.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Look at the size of his back.
That's how he's got a turtle shell on him.
That's crazy.
Who is that guy?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
brian redban
Leonardo?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ, his back is insane.
Ronnie Coleman.
Look at the size of him.
brian redban
That's crazy.
joe rogan
When he was in his prime, he was fucking gigantic.
Just mass.
And Ronnie Coleman was known for lifting really, really heavy weights, which is how he wound up injuring his back.
He had like every disc in his back fused.
Incredible.
He was so big.
And just the mass and power.
Because he would do like ridiculously heavy weights and training.
brian redban
How did he die?
Heart?
joe rogan
No, he's alive.
He's alive.
He did the podcast.
He was cool as fuck.
brian redban
Oh, I just saw how strong was Ronnie.
joe rogan
Oh, they mean in his prime.
I mean, but again, he's paid the price, and he wouldn't have it any other way.
You talk to him about it, he has no regrets.
Because he's one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest of all time.
There's like him, and you know, it's depending on what you like.
The Arnold days, it was Arnold, and it was Dorian Yates.
Dorian Yates was a fucking gigantic human being.
Preposterously big.
And he's a normal-sized guy now.
It's kind of cool.
He smokes a lot of weed, very philosophical, laid back, real mellow.
And at one point in time, he was the fucking man.
When I met him, he's just like a regular athletic guy.
brian redban
Does he have loose skin now?
joe rogan
No.
No, he looks totally normal.
He just looks like he's just...
I mean, he looks fit, but he's just not...
I mean, he's a normal-sized guy.
He's a big guy, but he's not...
jamie vernon
It's kind of, compared to his one rep max, it says here, is 557 for bench.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
And that guy we just saw did 903. That's insane.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
That is insane.
Generally speaking, though, the strongest guys are not the bodybuilders, generally speaking.
Obviously, they're very, very, very strong.
Don't get me wrong.
But the strongest guys for individual lifts are generally the power lifter guys.
And they're generally, like, they have some fat on their body.
You know, they're like bigger, huskier looking dudes.
It's a different build.
I think maybe when you have more weight, you can push more weight too.
Maybe that makes sense somehow or another.
Your body becomes accustomed to carry it all around, but all they're thinking about is just fuel and power.
Fuel and power.
They don't have to do anything that requires cardio.
But if you think about what that sport is, it's like, what happens when they start rubbing that shit on little babies' bodies?
Ronnie Coleman smashes 2,325 pounds for 10 repetitions.
jamie vernon
For leg press.
joe rogan
For leg press.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up, man.
jamie vernon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That cannot be good for your body.
brian redban
Hell no.
Blow your knees out.
joe rogan
2,325 pounds for 10 reps.
That's so insane.
So that's what happened.
The thing that I have problems with with my back is like I have a tiny fraction of what he has, which is From all the compression from all the years and a lot of it is like from jujitsu and stuff like that your discs get smushed and they start like getting really irritated and they poke into your nerves and that's where sciatic pain comes from and a lot of other weird neck pains that make your hands hurt all those guys fucked up necks and backs I have that shit Most people do.
Your body just starts deteriorating.
brian redban
That's why I recommend a pregnancy pillow.
It's great.
I don't know why they market it for pregnant women.
How does it work?
joe rogan
The one you stick your arm through?
brian redban
No, it's a regular pillow.
One side's like half a body pillow.
The other side's like this really long tail body pillow.
You can pretty much just go in there and wrap yourself up and you're just kind of floating while you're sleeping.
It's great.
joe rogan
Let me see this.
brian redban
But I posted that on Instagram.
I said, because I bought 10 of them.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
So you have your own little, look, it's got a shark mouth.
brian redban
Yeah, but look at the comments.
Congratulations.
Tate Fletcher's texting me going, hey, ma'am, congratulations.
Tell Janice.
joe rogan
That's lit.
Meanwhile, you're like, no, I just like sleeping in it.
brian redban
No, and what's so funny, I never thought about it.
I bought like 10 of them, and I've been trying them out in my review, all of them, and I said, you'll know what this means soon, and so everyone thought immediately.
joe rogan
Oh, of course.
brian redban
I didn't even think of it.
Like, people would know what a pregnancy pillow is.
joe rogan
You're pregnant.
Congratulations.
Today, it could mean you're pregnant.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who fucking knows?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who fucking knows?
brian redban
I bought Hans Kim one, though, the other day, because he said he had neck pains.
And he texted me last night.
He's like, dude, this is the best thing ever.
I love it.
I can't believe it.
It helped me so much.
joe rogan
So do you sleep on it?
Is that your pillow?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So you put your head on that, too?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
However, just because there's so much wrapping and stuff, because I always get neck problems, you could just pretty much sleep exactly how you want to, and you're not...
You're not laying on your arm or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian redban
Because I sleep stomach side sleeper.
I'm the one that always has his arm underneath the pillow, and I'm just constantly putting pressure on my nerves and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian redban
It's bad.
But that changed my life, that pregnancy pillow shit.
joe rogan
I'm going to look into that.
I always stick a pillow between my legs so I can go sideways.
But I have sleep apnea, and I have that mouthpiece that I wear.
That's the best way for me to not snore.
If I lie on my back, even with the mouthpiece, I snore.
brian redban
Right.
See, I can't lie on my back because I snore.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's rough.
Did you ever get tested for sleep apnea?
brian redban
No, I probably haven't.
joe rogan
You're remarkably well for the amount of substances you consume.
Remarkably well.
brian redban
Yeah.
Still haven't got COVID yet, too.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
You might have been exposed to it and had an asymptomatic.
brian redban
I think I have because I actually found out that I did have antibodies.
joe rogan
Oh, so you did.
brian redban
I mean, I got the shots, but she said that won't show up after six months.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Interesting.
I wonder what it is.
You might have been exposed because like, you know, sometimes people get exposed like a lot of times because we test here so much.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
They didn't even know they had had it.
That happens a lot.
brian redban
Yeah.
I haven't had zero symptoms or my girlfriend though, which is weird.
joe rogan
And I think it's like every other cold, right?
If you get a light exposure to it, and you're doing real well at the time, like you're rested, and you have vitamins in your system, and it's a very mild exposure, maybe that's what these asymptomatic ones are for some people.
It's like, you just barely got it, but you got enough to develop immunity, or some antibodies.
brian redban
I think it's all liquid IV. There's much liquid IV I have.
joe rogan
I drink that shit every day.
I drink that shit every day.
I drink it every day before I do workouts.
And it's changed my cramping.
I used to cramp so much, man.
Especially hard leg workouts.
brian redban
Try their new Kabucha Apple one.
It's so good.
It has Kabucha powder in it or something, or...
joe rogan
They're all good.
I drink them in a large thing of water, too.
They're really strong if you have them in a small one.
I do it in like a one liter.
brian redban
Yeah, I usually do it in a bigger one than this.
joe rogan
But that's...
Having fucking nutrients in your system is so goddamn important.
It's amazing how many people don't do anything about that.
They just eat whatever they eat and just live their life like, goddamn, kids.
You're really missing out on...
There's another level to the way your body will feel if you're well-fed.
And you have the right nutrients in your body.
You do it for a sustained period of time.
So your body has what it needs to sort of make everything work right.
And there's so many people out there that are...
And that's that book, the Joel Wallach book.
He was talking about mineral deficiencies.
And he was saying that when people are eating these vegetables and the things that they eat that they've always associated with having minerals, they don't have nearly the same amount of minerals they used to have, like back in the day.
And then it's only going to get worse.
And they think that now, we've Googled this, right?
There's like 60 more seasons of U.S. topsoil left in farmlands that are heavily used.
Like, what?
brian redban
Bananas are almost extinct.
joe rogan
What?
brian redban
Imagine not being able to buy bananas.
unidentified
I ate two of them today.
brian redban
Yeah, imagine not being able to have bananas.
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
I ate two of them.
brian redban
Yeah, they're going extinct.
joe rogan
How is that possible?
brian redban
It's because there's a bacteria or something that's killing banana plants.
joe rogan
Is this the World Economic Forum bacteria?
brian redban
It's wiping out banana fields.
Like crazy.
unidentified
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
joe rogan
Have you seen that video?
Where the World Economic Forum talks about what's going to happen in 2030?
And it says, you will own nothing and you'll be happy.
brian redban
No.
I haven't.
joe rogan
That's the first thing it says.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, and you'll rent everything.
You'll rent everything.
But you'll be happier.
What?
brian redban
It's crazy.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you talking?
Who owns everything then?
You don't own it either?
Or do you own everything?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You won't own anything?
Who's you?
Is it me?
Or is it everybody?
Watch this.
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
Just do it from the beginning so you can see what it says because it's predictions.
Eight predictions for the world in 2030. This is real.
This is not a parody.
This is not the Babylon Bee.
This is real.
Eight predictions.
You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy.
Based on the input members of the World Economic Forum, whatever you want, you'll rent, and it'll be delivered by drone.
You just rent it.
The U.S. won't be the world's leading superpower.
Aw, sorry.
A handful of countries will dominate.
Look, China's in the forefront, waving its flag over us.
You won't die waiting for an organ donor.
Wouldn't it be better?
You won't transplant organs.
We'll print new ones instead.
unidentified
Yay!
joe rogan
Better!
You'll eat much less meat!
An occasional treat, not a staple, for the good of the environment and our health.
brian redban
That's bullshit.
joe rogan
A billion people will be displaced by climate change.
brian redban
Believe that.
joe rogan
Oh shit.
Polluters will have to pay to emit carbon dioxide.
There'll be a global price on carbon.
This will help make fossil fuels history.
unidentified
You could be preparing to go to Mars.
joe rogan
Scientists will have worked out how to keep you healthy in space.
The start of a journey to find alien life.
Western values will have been tested to the breaking point.
Checks and balances that underpin our democracies must not be forgotten.
This is so weird.
brian redban
It is weird.
jamie vernon
So when I looked it up, it was made in 2016. Bro.
That's so weird.
brian redban
I believe, like, the you won't own anything, you'll rent.
I mean, that kind of already has started with, like, video games and movies.
Remember, you used to buy TVs.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not your fucking house, not your car, not your clothes.
brian redban
Price-wise, it might be the only way.
joe rogan
But do you imagine if they just decide to take back your car because they don't like your politics?
This is the fear that people have.
That's what China has with their social credit score system.
If you do the wrong thing, say the wrong thing, speak out against the wrong people, they'll deny your ability to travel.
They're like, no, you can't buy airplane tickets, Mr. Red Band.
We saw a podcast number 1034. Black Mirror.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what they're saying.
By regulating all these different things, that creates more control over people.
It's not that it's good to do these things like pollute and shit.
What they're saying, they're just getting a firmer and firmer grasp on what people can and can't do.
And if they can tell you, you don't need meat.
Less meat.
You need less meat.
Like, says who?
You need to buy our fake meat.
You need to buy our plant-based meat.
It's lower in cholesterol.
And you know what they're doing in Canada now?
They're putting a warning label on ground beef.
So if you buy ground beef, it's going to put a warning label on the level of saturated fat, and it's going to recommend you try a plant-based meat, because they're lower in saturated fats.
What?
What?
A warning label?
You have a warning label on ground beef.
See if that's true.
I think it's true.
I'm 99% sure it's true.
I did read it, but I've been duped before.
I really did think Steven Seagal was going to war.
unidentified
I was like, that crazy fuck is over there training the troops in Ukraine.
joe rogan
Because, dude, he's a fucking...
I mean, he literally teaches people in Russia, which is nuts.
Alberta beef producers unhappy with Health Canada's plan to require warning labels on ground beef.
Yeah, it's real.
Oh, my God.
It's nuts.
brian redban
Well, Canada's nuts right now.
What are we saying?
They're falling apart like crazy.
joe rogan
It says, but one aspect of the proposed plan isn't sitting right with some Canadians.
Ground meat is subject to the label.
Yeah, it's subject to the label.
So that means a label will be coming to the grocery shelves warning people.
jamie vernon
Well, maybe.
It says it's proposed, and it doesn't mean it will be put on everything.
Some foods will fall into the category.
joe rogan
Right, but they're saying ground meat is one of those that falls in there, which is kind of crazy.
Because there's a lot of hot topic, there's a lot of hot debate about whether or not ground meat is actually good for you, or meat is actually good for you, and that the problem is not the meat, the problem is all the other things that people eat with the meat.
And there's people way more qualified than me to have this discussion.
They've had this discussion.
And you'll have to form your own opinions on it.
But it seems to me that people have been eating meat since we've been people.
The problem is the new stuff.
The new stuff that we haven't been eating as much is like all the fucking corn syrup, all the massive amounts of calories in one drink that you don't even know, like 680 fucking calories.
All the different shit that we eat that has chemicals and preservatives.
And we eat so much.
Oh, banjo in this country.
brian redban
And salt.
So much salt.
Everything has so much salt on it.
joe rogan
But it makes it delicious.
brian redban
Yeah, but still, let me add the salt.
unidentified
Okay.
brian redban
I mean, some things you're like, look at the sodium on this.
I mean, Joey Diaz warned about this.
unidentified
Sodium.
joe rogan
It's fucking sodium, dog.
He was always like anti-sodium.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, for some people, it makes them swell up.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
To me, it does.
Joey had a ring stuck on his hand for like a year.
brian redban
That's right.
Yeah.
He's looking great now, though, man.
joe rogan
He's killing it.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Talking him into coming to Vegas.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, do the show in Vegas.
brian redban
I heard he just did Bill Burr.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did the Bill Burr show.
brian redban
I talked to him the other day, too, and he said he was going to go to a Duncan show, maybe.
I don't know if he ever did that or not.
I'm glad he's getting back up now.
joe rogan
He's getting back up, yeah.
brian redban
I heard he destroyed at your show.
joe rogan
Yeah, he killed Atlantic City, especially the second show, Saturday night.
He was on fire.
He's the man.
He's just got to get back on his feet and just start doing comedy.
He's just been enjoying podcasts and shit, which is great, but he's too funny.
He's too funny to not be doing stand-up.
It's too fun to have around.
He's like the anchor.
He was always the fun anchor.
Joey's always the fun guy.
He made me go out in Atlantic City.
He made me go out to this fucking diner that's in the casino.
brian redban
It was a disaster.
joe rogan
A lot of fun, wild people living in New Jersey.
brian redban
Yeah.
That's too hard for you to do nowadays.
joe rogan
That's Jersey's Vegas.
It's like, that's Jersey's Vegas.
They don't have a Vegas.
They have Atlantic City.
And it's pretty fucking nice now.
unidentified
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some really nice hotels.
The Hard Rock we were at, it's fucking nice.
It's a nice place.
And we went to this, me and my friend Tommy went to this old school pool hall that's there in Atlantic City.
And it looks like it hadn't changed at all since the 70s.
It had a payphone on the wall, dude.
A payphone.
There's like no gambling signs and shit and the dude who runs it looks like he's been running a pool hall for 50 years.
It was awesome.
It was like such an old-school like window into the past that you don't really get much of anymore.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
But in Atlantic City, there's still some of those spots are still around.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a depressing city, dude.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not cool.
That's it.
That's Atlantic City Billiards.
I think there's a picture.
Yeah, that's what it looks like on the inside.
Look, no alcohol, beverages, no gambling.
That's my boy Tommy.
That's old school.
Yeah, look how old school.
brian redban
Is that Tommy Tommy?
joe rogan
Tommy Jr. Yeah.
Yeah.
No gambling, no cigar smoking.
You could smoke cigarettes back then.
Look at that.
Phone is out of order.
Like last week, it probably shut off.
brian redban
Disgusting thing to have public phones.
And now you look at that, you're just like, how gross is that?
joe rogan
Probably protected our immune systems.
brian redban
Yeah.
Seriously.
joe rogan
You were always in contact with cooties.
brian redban
And you always just held it right into your mouth.
You never even thought about it back then.
joe rogan
Well, think about how good your immune system is, right?
You didn't even get COVID, right?
You were out all the time, even before you got vaccinated.
You were out all the time.
Now, think about all the people that you've met.
All the hands that you shook.
Like when we used to do shows and we would shake hands with everybody after the show and take pictures, dude, you probably shook thousands and thousands and thousands of hands over the years.
And all that stuff got integrated into your system probably.
That's what that fucking, the guy from Polyface Farms, Joel Salatin, he drinks out of the same water that the cows drink out of.
I know.
But he says it protects them.
It protects his gut biome.
brian redban
Slick doorknobs.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's what kids do, right?
They're always eating dirt and shit?
brian redban
Yeah, sucking their thumbs after playing all day and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder if that's what it is.
If they're curious or if there's actually some sort of instinct that makes sense to expose yourself to as many things by touching things and putting them in your mouth.
And your mother's supposed to be there to make sure you don't choke on bones and whatever else you're shoving in there, you know?
Probably, right?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
unidentified
Makes sense.
joe rogan
Should we end this right now?
I think we ran out of steam.
brian redban
Yeah, I gotta go do a show now.
joe rogan
Yeah, kill Tony every Monday at the Vulcan, but don't try buying tickets, bitch.
They're sold out forever and ever.
It's amazing.
Congratulations.
It is the cornerstone of the Austin comedy scene, and I think it's a big factor in all of stand-up comedy because it's an amazing place for a showcase.
For someone to go up, you can kill with one minute, and you get welcomed, and people applaud you, and they root for you, and they get excited when you come back.
And you guys have launched a lot of people's stand-up comedy careers for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Ally Mikofsky's out there killing it on the road, and Ally started with you guys.
She started doing a new minute every week, live, publicly, in front of the whole world, which is a gangster thing to do.
brian redban
Doesn't shave her legs.
joe rogan
King Kongdon and Wineshank.
Sarah and Kim did that back in the day.
A fucking minute every week.
That's wild.
That's a wild ass exercise.
brian redban
I'm most proud about Hans.
joe rogan
Hans is a killer.
brian redban
Like, he went from living in his van to now headlining.
And, you know, it's just so great to see that.
Like, I'm really happy for him.
joe rogan
Dude, Hans kills in arenas.
I bring Hans to arenas.
brian redban
He's awesome.
joe rogan
I'd jump that motherfucker right to the head of the line.
brian redban
He's so fucking interesting.
joe rogan
He's so good.
He writes all the time.
I remember the first time he did an arena, he was so fucking nervous.
And he went up there like he owned the place.
It was amazing.
I was like, yes!
We were backstage like he fucking did it.
He went up there just super calm and just took over.
He's really funny.
William Montgomery, he's another guy.
Really, really funny.
Really funny.
Really unique.
That one joke that I love that I won't say on the air, but God, it's such a good joke.
brian redban
It's so clever.
And he's grown.
You've pushed something that has been driving me crazy for so long on him is just using his notebook and you really got him over that.
And it's so great to see because he has such a tendency to just read off his notebook, turn to the side, not even face the audience like he's having his own little...
Conversation.
joe rogan
Listen, he's crazy.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
In the best possible way.
He's really funny.
He's a really, really good guy.
He's really fucking nutty on stage.
And he's just got, you know, just got to get the right path, you know, and the staring at the notes all the time is not the right path.
Because he didn't need them.
I'm like, you're doing 15 minutes.
You're doing 10 minutes.
You don't need that.
Just get it in your head and run with it and then learn how to do that.
You're a pro.
You've been doing it for too long.
And he's like, you're right, man.
You're right.
You're right.
brian redban
What a nightmare!
joe rogan
But it's just like it's a great community out here.
There's a lot of really funny people coming up, and I think one of the big factors is Kill Tony.
I really do believe that.
Because I think that show is a wild, unhinged, uncensored show, which I think is very important to comedy.
Because it's all about just being funny.
You have one minute.
You don't have time to be woke.
You don't have time to have a social justice promotion in the middle.
No, you have to kill.
brian redban
Right.
joe rogan
This is a shot.
And then everyone is loved.
No matter who you are.
Old, young, you kill.
Gay, trans, black, Asian, no one gives a fuck.
It's the same tribe.
If you're funny, you're funny and you're applauded.
And it sets a good tone for comedy.
Because it lets people know, like, this is what comedy is about.
It's not about changing people's minds.
Right.
That stuff's crazy.
Get a podcast, okay?
When you're on stage, you're supposed to be killing.
And Kill Tony enforces that, and you get feedback from these top comics.
You get Don Marrera, and Shane Gillis, and Ari, and Norman, and all these people on a regular basis sitting in with you, Tim Dillon.
And it's a fucking amazing resource.
It's amazing.
It's such a good show.
brian redban
Yeah, it's so great.
joe rogan
I love it, Matt.
So congratulations.
brian redban
Thanks, buddy.
joe rogan
All right, my man.
Desk Squad, Thursday nights at the Vulcan.
brian redban
Secret show.
joe rogan
Secret show.
All kinds of people secretly come by.
brian redban
We've got 15 people today.
joe rogan
Nice.
All right.
That's it.
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