June 1, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| How are you? | ||
| We're doing this. | ||
| Nice to meet you. | ||
| After how many years trying to get this done? | ||
| Yeah, we talked. | ||
| I think we first talked like four years ago or something, right? | ||
| About four years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm so glad we waited, though. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Because I'll tell you what. | ||
| Four years ago, I was a mess. | ||
| Ten years ago, I was a mess. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| I just didn't know what I was doing. | ||
| There's no, like, workbook or a cookbook or there's nothing out there for anybody to, especially me, you know, I was born in the 60s. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so trying to figure out my life with no guidance and nobody out there, it's been a real struggle. | ||
| I did a real in-depth reading one time with this person who was like a deep, high-up shaman from Malaysia or over there somewhere, maybe the Philippines. | ||
| But he did a reading. | ||
| He said, you're going to have a real tough life. | ||
| How old were you when this happened? | ||
| This was kind of in the middle of a lot of it. | ||
| I was just all over the place. | ||
| One of my friends said, hey, I have this person who I want to give you a gift. | ||
| He bought me the session with this guy. | ||
| I guess it was super expensive because I probably couldn't afford it. | ||
| It was a long reading, too. | ||
| It was about two hours. | ||
| The guy really got in depth, asked me a ton of questions, and really got into it. | ||
| He had all my star charts right down to, like, my geolocation of birth, my exact time, minute. | ||
| I had all the info for him. | ||
| And so he worked all that stuff before I did the meeting with him. | ||
| And so he was going through, like, tons of stuff. | ||
| And the biggest thing he said... | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| How does it, like, the time of birth and the geocodes, like, what are they trying to get out of that? | ||
| Maybe that's probably where we should start. | ||
| Stuff that I believe and where my core beliefs lie. | ||
| I believe there's something. | ||
| There's a creator, there's a God, whatever you want to name it. | ||
| There's something way bigger than us. | ||
| And I believe that. | ||
| And I also believe that we are energy beings. | ||
| We're energy, our soul, what we're made of. | ||
| It's a piece of energy. | ||
| It's a piece of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's how I believe. | ||
| And so if you have that kind of belief system, you can also believe that everything else is energy. | ||
| All the animals, all the trees, all the rocks, everything has an energy. | ||
| Now if you can line all the energy up and get it right down to where you are, imagine all the energy and how it lines up. | ||
| Right when you're born. | ||
| Like right when it's happening. | ||
| So if all those planets, all the earth and everything else is this and this and this, all the energy is set at one location for you. | ||
| Right at that time. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Okay, now I'm here. | ||
| It's still going to imprint on you all that energy and all that focus and all that stuff is there, and that's your spot. | ||
| That's what I believe. | ||
| Is the idea that the different planets in the different position in the sky, they all have an effect on gravity? | ||
| We know that it has an effect on... | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, we know it has an effect on the tides, right? | ||
| Isn't that a big part of the tides, is the gravity that comes from the moon? | ||
| I mean, think about how much fucking water we're talking about. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Right? | ||
| That is kind of crazy. | ||
| Is that real, though? | ||
| That's weird, though. | ||
| I need to know that, if that's real. | ||
| Is that what causes the tides? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| A little bit? | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| We're going to find out. | ||
| Well, gravity is a theory. | ||
| This is important to find out. | ||
| The theory of gravity, I mean, I think that's a BS theory anyway. | ||
| Gravity is a BS theory? | ||
| I think it all has to do with buoyancy. | ||
| It's Archimedes, you know? | ||
| I don't know what you mean. | ||
| Okay, so Archimedes' principle is basically the buoyancy. | ||
| If you take your entire body and you put yourself in water, the amount of water you displace is basically that. | ||
| And the weight of that water you displace, that's your buoyancy. | ||
| So if you displace more water and it weighs more than you, that means you're lighter than the amount of water you displaced. | ||
| That means you float. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, if the water you displaced is less than your weight, then you're going to sink. | ||
| It's just buoyancy. | ||
| And so if you drop an apple from 30,000 feet, that's how high we used to jump for SEAL teams, the fun jumps. | ||
| We can talk about that later. | ||
| 30,000 feet? | ||
| Yeah, it's fun stuff. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| But if you drop an apple, yeah. | ||
| That's like real airplane height, like Delta flight. | ||
| It's mission. | ||
| Yeah, Delta. | ||
| Yeah, like for real. | ||
| Well, SEAL teams do it too. | ||
| I know, but I mean American Airlines, Delta, that kind of Delta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those guys are cool though, man. | ||
| I love the guys at Bragg. | ||
| So listen to what it says here. | ||
| I think this is what we're looking for. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it says, I don't know how you say that word, a perigean? | ||
| How does it say that? | ||
| Perigean? | ||
| Perigean spring. | ||
| Tide occurs when the moon is either new or full and closest to Earth. | ||
| And so what does it have to do? | ||
| Where does it say anything about gravity? | ||
| Well, I can give you another one, I guess. | ||
| Does it have anything where it explains the amount of effect that the gravity has? | ||
| The moon's pull. | ||
| Okay, so the moon's gravitational pull, high tide, low tide. | ||
| So during high tide, the moon's gravitational pull does affect the tides? | ||
| That's what the religion called scientists. | ||
| This is not an article, though. | ||
| This is just an image. | ||
| Is there anything that shows it? | ||
| I thought that would be a quicker way to go. | ||
| It seems like there's something to it. | ||
| We're so dumb, we need cartoons now. | ||
| I just thought it would be easier to go that way. | ||
| Joe, all this stuff up there, this is all put out by scientists who have been talking about Copernicus and everything else for the last, you know, however many years since, what, 13 something else? | ||
| Let's just read what the answer is. | ||
| It says, high and low tides are caused by the moon. | ||
| The moon's gravitational pull generates something called the tidal force. | ||
| The tidal force causes Earth and its water to bulge out on the side closest to the moon and the side furthest from the moon. | ||
| These bulges of water are high tides. | ||
| So it is because of gravity, which is amazing. | ||
| So what I'm getting at is everybody likes to poo-poo the idea that someone can figure out What happens if someone's born during a given time of the year? | ||
| But if the moon has so much of an effect That it changes tides. | ||
| It moves... | ||
| How many fucking gallons of water are we talking about, right? | ||
| Five or six. | ||
| It's a lot of goddamn water, and the gravity of the moon is moving that shit. | ||
| Like, why wouldn't we assume that Jupiter, and what position Jupiter is in the sky, or Mars is in the sky, that all must have some kind of effect on something. | ||
| And if we're water, we're kind of mostly water, aren't we? | ||
| Like 60-something percent water? | ||
| What is the number of percent water people are? | ||
| We're like 78% or something. | ||
| It probably affects you. | ||
| It's a lot, yeah. | ||
| It probably affects your fucking swimming pool. | ||
| If you have a swimming pool, it probably moves a little. | ||
| Well, here's something funny, though. | ||
| You brought up swimming pool. | ||
| You know the Great Lakes? | ||
| How big the Great Lakes are? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How come none of the Great Lakes have tides? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| So the moon and the sun can't move the water into Great Lakes, but it can move the oceans? | ||
| But they do have crazy waves. | ||
| In adult men, about 60% of their bodies are water. | ||
| However, fat tissue does not have as much water as lean tissue. | ||
| In adult women, fat makes up more of the body than men, so they have about 55% of their bodies made of water. | ||
| That's so true because big muscular guys that cut weight for the UFC, they can cut a lot more weight because they're storing it in their muscles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like big Yoel Romero looking dudes, those guys can cut a ton of weight because they have so much muscle. | ||
| It's the guys who are leaner that have a really hard time with it. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Anyway, so this thing is a chart that they do of you and it's based on what time you were born and where in the world you were born. | ||
| Exactly, yeah, right to geolocation. | ||
| And so do they match this up with some sort of astronomical map of the stars? | ||
| I wish I had mine. | ||
| So he draws a lot out. | ||
| He does the entire astral plane, all of it, every planet, all of the... | ||
| Like, even comets. | ||
| Like, you have everything in there, anything that was in that area for that... | ||
| Whatever he does. | ||
| And he reads all of it. | ||
| And there's, like... | ||
| Ten things for each one of the planets so you can go and do it, and you put it all together. | ||
| And so what he was saying was, I'm going to have a really tough life, and I'm going to have to go to the underworld. | ||
| And do you know what a hayoka is? | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| It's a sacred clown. | ||
| Yeah, it's the name of my comic book. | ||
| I was just told. | ||
| Yeah, sacred clown. | ||
| So when he talked about hayoka, there was also... | ||
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Explain that to people. | |
| You want to explain that, what that concept is? | ||
| So the concept is, it was not a court jester, because court jesters, all they were doing was being funny and goofy. | ||
| The Hayokas and the Thales and the Sacred Clowns and all these were actually religious leaders in the community, but also have the ability to speak and say whatever they wanted. | ||
| And that's like comedians up on stage, when you have like Chappelle and who was Chris Rock and all those other guys. | ||
| They're up there telling jokes, and we should probably talk about this too later on, maybe about the whole transgender and all the other stuff. | ||
| People are getting busted for doing jokes, for being a haoka. | ||
| Haoka's purpose is to mess with our heads a little bit and make us think. | ||
| Yeah, Lakota's idea was that everything should be tested. | ||
| And one of the ways to test ideas is to poke at it and make fun of it. | ||
| Like, there's certain things you can't make fun of. | ||
| But there's certain things that don't want you to make fun of them. | ||
| And maybe you should a little bit. | ||
| It's good for everybody to get made fun of a little bit. | ||
| It's just, what is the purpose of it in our society today? | ||
| You know, that's where it becomes like a question. | ||
| Like, are you allowed to joke around about certain subjects? | ||
| Or are you going to get upset? | ||
| And it varies with people, too. | ||
| It's like, some people don't get upset at all. | ||
| And some people get furious if you even breach subjects. | ||
| Which is, I don't think, good for anybody. | ||
| Well, those people who get so upset about those jokes or about all this stuff, how weak are they that they're going to let that affect them to such a point where they get so angry that they attack? | ||
| I think people feel different today. | ||
| You and I are kind of the same age. | ||
| And I think people feel very different today about their feelings, and they feel very differently today about what it is when someone insults their feelings. | ||
| When we were kids, it was super normal for people to insult your feelings. | ||
| And I don't know if that's good or bad because it's like as I get older, one of the things I realized is like my mom was the child of immigrants. | ||
| And I think like that those generations of people that first came over here, like in the 1940s and the 1920s, They had such a hard, scrabble life, man, that they maybe weren't the nicest people to their kids. | ||
| It's like there was a lot of beating your kid if your kid did something wrong. | ||
| Every kid got hit back then. | ||
| We all got hit. | ||
| Everybody got hit. | ||
| And we all deserved it. | ||
| But it's weird. | ||
| It's like, I don't think you should hit your children. | ||
| I think we know now that it's not a good idea because it really perpetuates more violence and it also sends a message that that's the only way to handle something, is to put physical pain inflicted on your child, which I don't necessarily think is the right way to do it. | ||
| But I do think that there's something about A little bit of adversity. | ||
| A little bit of disagreement. | ||
| It makes you more relaxed around that stuff. | ||
| Whereas with some people today, anything that they think is offensive is such an egregious crime on humanity and they want to attack it with every fiber of their being. | ||
| What is going on for real, though? | ||
| You just, like, you have such a hard time with, like, especially the Dave Chappelle special. | ||
| Like, why don't you tell me what he said that was so awful? | ||
| Because that was part of the problem, was nobody was saying what specifically he said, which was so horrific. | ||
| But in this case, they really couldn't, because it was really a love letter to his friend. | ||
| I mean, that's like, the last part of it is basically, like, he took his friend, who Killed herself, and he put her as the closing piece of a gigantic comedy special that everyone's gonna see. | ||
| And he did it with dignity, and he did it with kindness, and he did it with true friendship. | ||
| And it's still, still people are furious. | ||
| Still. | ||
| It's just one of those things, man. | ||
| The concept of the Hayoka, I think we could all use a little of that in our lives. | ||
| It doesn't mean you have to be mean. | ||
| Why couldn't everybody use a little bit of it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Everybody needs it. | ||
| Everybody needs a little humor. | ||
| But there was that time, the sacred clown, like you were saying, Ahioca, that this is medicine. | ||
| So, and that's why it was like a duty of the medicine people and historians. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was basically in the Viking culture, they're called Thiles. | ||
| I don't know if I'm pronouncing it correctly. | ||
| It's like T-H-Y-L-E something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they're the exact duplicate of what Ahioca or a sacred clown or any of those. | ||
| Amongst all those tribal communities from back in those days, they all had those positions. | ||
| You know, it's like James Campbell or Young, the archetypes, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You always have that medicine person archetype within any culture. | ||
| And back in those days, that medicine person archetype was part of that poking the bear and making sure the king knew, you're not wearing clothes. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, hey, you're doing that wrong. | ||
| Hey, this is messed up. | ||
| And make a joke out of it. | ||
| Make it kind of funny. | ||
| So the king's not offended. | ||
| And everybody goes, oh, yeah, that is true. | ||
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Hey. | |
| How many jesters do you think were assassinated? | ||
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Probably a lot. | |
| That would be the riskiest job. | ||
| You're trying to make a fucking king laugh. | ||
| What if you're annoying and he just decides to kill you in front of everybody? | ||
| Is that what's happening with cancel culture right now? | ||
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No. | |
| Is cancel culture the king? | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
| But no, it's just the absolute power of a king to just kill somebody if they don't like what they're doing. | ||
| Like that was one of the weirdest things about Game of Thrones and that kind of shit when they would cut people's heads off and stuff. | ||
| You'd be like, yeah, I could see people doing that. | ||
| I could see someone who had total control just killing someone because they don't like their joke. | ||
| That evil little blond-haired guy. | ||
| Yeah, that little fuck. | ||
| Yeah, I can see him do it. | ||
| Yeah, the sun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like whatever it is about human nature that There's like certain places that people can go to. | ||
| Here's a question for you. | ||
| When you were talking earlier about our age group, so we're like X generation. | ||
| I'm at the tail end of the baby boomers right at the beginning of X. So we grew up in a community. | ||
| If we were doing something wrong, any parent in the neighborhood could give you a whack. | ||
| Everybody was out playing, doing whatever they want, but we were always in these big groups. | ||
| Yeah, people hit other people's kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was, but that's what it was, you know? | ||
| You're going to be out until the street lights turn on and somebody, you know, don't do anything wrong because you're going to get whacked by an older kid or a parent. | ||
| Yeah, someone was going to straighten you home. | ||
| But it was a big group. | ||
| It was like a collective. | ||
| It was, we had like realities that are different than today's realities. | ||
| Today, they're so individualistic and they're so, everything is subjective. | ||
| Everything is relative. | ||
| And so that makes nothing as true. | ||
| Because if you think about, if everything's subjective in a subjective reality, what's true? | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| So I lived in objective reality. | ||
| So did you because we grew up in like this very religious, very red, white, and blue America. | ||
| We're a great country. | ||
| We don't do everything right, but we're pretty darn good. | ||
| And that was in all our heads. | ||
| It was Pledge of Allegiance in the morning. | ||
| So we all had like this truth, this... | ||
| Thing that we knew was true. | ||
| God is there, and God bless America, and America is awesome, and here we are, and let's get on with business. | ||
| And that's the way I saw it. | ||
| Now, if you look at the kids growing up today, they don't have any of that. | ||
| There's no religion anywhere near them, pretty much. | ||
| They're on social media all the time by themselves, so it's all about individualism. | ||
| It's all about subjective. | ||
| It's even going into the words. | ||
| When we start talking about Gender stuff and some stuff maybe later after we get some of this background stuff down. | ||
| But they're taking words and they're even making the words subjective. | ||
| So now we no longer have just male and female. | ||
| We have a hundred other things. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| In another year or two, it doesn't mean a thousand more genders. | ||
| Well, isn't that one of those things... | ||
| It's all subjective. | ||
| Yeah, but people always want something in their head that other people don't have. | ||
| And if you could just change names of a thing and decide you're a zur, or you're a... | ||
| Have you ever seen those TikTok videos where people describe the type of sex they are? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they say it with some crazy thing, like, I'm only attracted to someone with one sock on. | ||
| They'll say that, like, that's the type of sexual they are. | ||
| One sock of sexual. | ||
| There's a certain level of indulgence when it gets to that, right? | ||
| But, like, who are we to draw the line? | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| And it's, like, without that thing, that structure... | ||
| Of, you know, I believe in God, I believe in country, and I believe in, you know, and the United States is an awesome place. | ||
| Like, none of those things are bad things to say. | ||
| But if you say those things, people associate it with bad... | ||
| It's almost like we're ashamed of ourselves, right? | ||
| But if you say that to a lot of people in America today, and say it that way, They'll genuinely be almost insulted. | ||
| It sounds like if they had to say that or they had to think that, they'd be like, I'm not saying that. | ||
| We've done some horrible things. | ||
| America's terrible. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| We've done bad stuff. | ||
| We're not always right. | ||
| But overall, we're pretty damn good. | ||
| There's a lack of an appreciation for that. | ||
| It's just how humans operate. | ||
| And it's not that the United States is wholly bad. | ||
| It's that people are fucked up. | ||
| This is about as good as it's ever been. | ||
| This right here, this craziness, this is about as good as people have ever lived. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, but it isn't because it's not the Mongol hordes. | ||
| You know, it's not people fighting off barbarians. | ||
| It's like we were doing better when we had a little bit better, you know, appreciation for law enforcement. | ||
| And there was there's just it seems like the pandemic fucked a lot of people over, too. | ||
| It would have been interesting to see where we could have gotten as a culture. | ||
| Because I think culture accelerates pretty quickly these days. | ||
| And it would be interesting to see where we would have gotten if it hadn't been for the pandemic. | ||
| I think we probably wouldn't have been so anxiety-ridden. | ||
| I think that's a big part of what we're experiencing now is the aftershock of the pandemic. | ||
| People who lost friends and people who got injured or got wrecked by it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of that still in the air, like, whoa, what the fuck happened? | ||
| And then also there's a distrust for like, how did this happen? | ||
| Tell me the fucking truth. | ||
| Tell me the truth. | ||
| How did this fucking happen? | ||
| I don't trust him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But no one gets this really sure fire. | ||
| No one presents anything to me where I go, well, that's definitely how it happened. | ||
| No need to worry about the lab leak. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Everything seems to mean... | ||
| It's all hidden and weird. | ||
| It just seems to make way more sense that it came from a fucking lab. | ||
| It acts like a virus from a lab. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Did you get it? | ||
| Did you get COVID? I don't know. | ||
| I don't trust the tests. | ||
| It's like that PCR test. | ||
| I don't really know if it's really testing for COVID or a regular flu. | ||
| Well, that's interesting, right? | ||
| Isn't there some crossover in the way it tests, like some mistakes? | ||
| Isn't that the case? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They did say that. | ||
| Was that because of the amount of cycles they were running? | ||
| Because I remember there was a thing where they were saying they were running 40 cycles at one point in time, and then they switched it and lowered it because they were getting too many false positives. | ||
| Too many false positives, yeah. | ||
| The guy, Carey Mullis, who invented that PCR, he did not think it was a good idea for testing viruses that way. | ||
| There's like an interview where he's discussing it. | ||
| Yeah, and he gives all the technical data. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean, because it's so high, you could just find stuff in you. | ||
| It'll always pop positive. | ||
| Well, I don't know if always. | ||
| Unless they dial it way down. | ||
| Yeah, but you're not at risk for developing the disease necessarily. | ||
| But it's also, back then, nobody knew. | ||
| But you nailed it too. | ||
| It's just like, just tell us something that's true. | ||
| Something I can hold on to. | ||
| I don't think they want to tell us that it came from a fucking lab. | ||
| If they 100% knew it came from a lab, I still think they'd be like, the results are inconclusive. | ||
| Because it's just too terrifying for people to know that something that killed millions of people came out of a lab. | ||
| That's wild shit. | ||
| In the back of our minds, don't we all know it came from a lab? | ||
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Boy. | |
| We've been messing with these viruses and stuff forever. | ||
| It's the military. | ||
| I can never say I know for sure, but the people that I've talked to know for sure. | ||
| Look up Fort Meade. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's Fort Meade. | ||
| But there's stuff that we've done in the U.S. military at all these bio labs since World War I. Well, we've definitely had these crazy labs. | ||
| We went to visit one. | ||
| I went to visit one with Duncan Trussell. | ||
| We went to the one in Galveston, the CDC, whatever it is. | ||
| Dude, it's terrifying. | ||
| You're behind all these walls of glass and you get to see people in there with the fucking suits on, there's tubes, you're like, yikes! | ||
| This is crazy! | ||
| But you know what he was saying? | ||
| He was saying the worry is not about someone developing something. | ||
| It's interesting in retrospect because this was like back in 2012, I think it was. | ||
| He said the real fear is a natural event, like something happening from agriculture, like a pig farm or something like that. | ||
| That's where a lot of them come from. | ||
| He's like, that's what we really have to be worried about. | ||
| Earlier when we were talking about the kids growing up all that, the one thing that I think that we both spoke about, we didn't say the word, it's just respect. | ||
| Yeah, that's true, too. | ||
| That's one thing that people have out here. | ||
| Kids say so to you. | ||
| They're very respectful. | ||
| People raise respectful people out here. | ||
| Yeah, there's something to that, man. | ||
| It's like what you were saying about the whole thing about what's missing. | ||
| You know, is the respectful thing, but also, like, the being upset at almost everything and anything. | ||
| It's the ability to express yourself so, like, impulsively on a phone. | ||
| Like, anybody can just express themselves. | ||
| Then they're in an argument with someone who disagrees. | ||
| And they're just doing it back and forth all day. | ||
| That's an unknown entity on the other end of some follow with it. | ||
| You're not even in my follow group. | ||
| You're not even part of my circle. | ||
| I don't care what you say. | ||
| It's really it's really interesting because there's so much fucking information that's flying around like we were talking about earlier like I don't know if that shit works where they can pinpoint where you were born at the time you were born and figure how it all lines up with the Constellations and have some sort of an effect on you But it doesn't seem totally unreasonable. | ||
| Man, when he was going over all those charts, I kept going, yeah, that's true. | ||
| So the charts were like saying that you're going to have a fucked up life because of all the data that they were getting from this reading. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's wild. | ||
| Like when he read it through there, he says, you have a couple of paths and it looks like you're going to have a really tough one. | ||
| This whole area here. | ||
| And he just kept going through why. | ||
| And he was showing me the planets and talking through it. | ||
| It was the craziest couple of hours I've ever had. | ||
| So when you say you don't believe in gravity, like you really do believe in gravity, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, gravity exists. | ||
| I just don't like calling it gravity because it's still a theory. | ||
| I just think that it's about buoyancy. | ||
| The reason I'm not going through this floor right now is because I am less dense than this floor. | ||
| The reason that apple goes through the atmosphere, the apple is heavier than the atmosphere until it gets to the water. | ||
| But it's lighter than the water for, you know, if you do Archimedes Principle on all of it, everything can be explained by buoyancy. | ||
| I see what you're saying, but both maybe. | ||
| Maybe both. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that unknown force, we got rid of... | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Like, we had the apple displaces the air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and falls to the ground. | ||
| But it's also getting sucked into the ground by gravity. | ||
| Like, both those things are real. | ||
| Something else is going on. | ||
| Something else? | ||
| I think it's like the ether. | ||
| And it was something that Tesla went into really big, too, was that other substance. | ||
| And then Einstein, I think, is the one that messed all this up. | ||
| Because they started changing the name of it and trying to write away the ether. | ||
| And it had a few different names for it. | ||
| But it's basically the stuff that's in between all the atoms. | ||
| Do they know what causes gravity? | ||
| Can they tell you exactly what causes gravity? | ||
| They know it has to do with mass, right? | ||
| They cannot explain gravity. | ||
| What did you say, Jamie? | ||
| Don't look at me if I sweat. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Come on, scientist. | ||
| You're the guy who got an A in physics. | ||
| Well, I mean, isn't it a thing where they can measure, like, they can look at the mass of a planet and they can say how much gravity, like, right? | ||
| Isn't that true? | ||
| There's formulas for this stuff, yes. | ||
| Isn't that why the Earth, like when you go to the moon, you're really light? | ||
| Because the moon has like one-sixth Earth's gravity? | ||
| If you have the planet right here, it's going to cause the... | ||
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For the folks that are just listening, Kristen made a draw. | |
| There's a time-space continuum in all these planes of space. | ||
| They bend when they go around that object. | ||
| And so the space actually bends around the Earth and then it gets flat again. | ||
| So it makes a hole right here. | ||
| Okay, so if it's a bigger object, then it's a bigger curve? | ||
| It's a bigger object, it'll be a bigger hole, yeah. | ||
| And so that'll make more gravity? | ||
| That'll be this, more gravity here. | ||
| So if you're here and you start falling in a hole that it makes, you're going to fall into that gravity hole right here. | ||
| That's how it was explained by Einstein and I think it was also by Hawking and a bunch of other ones. | ||
| They all talked about how the time-space was full. | ||
| It bends when it has that large mass. | ||
| Well, you know, that's what Bob Lazar said those spaceships do. | ||
| Those spaceships that they were trying to back-engineer. | ||
| He said they're working off of this element called element 115. It was just theoretical. | ||
| It wasn't even proven that it was a real element until sometime in the 2000s. | ||
| But he was saying this in like 1989. It was like they have a stable form of this element 115. It sits in a reactor in the craft. | ||
| And what this thing does, he said, he likened it to taking a bowling ball and placing it in the center of a mattress. | ||
| So the mattress, it bends the gravity and instantaneously propels you to a place. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| And they were trying to figure out how to make it work. | ||
| I want to read on that one. | ||
| It's wild shit, man. | ||
| Because if they can do that, and why wouldn't we assume that that's the next form of travel? | ||
| If they really do know that at least theoretically it's possible to bend space. | ||
| To bend space. | ||
| It's theoretically possible. | ||
| Like, there was a movie. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The Event Horizon. | ||
| You remember that one? | ||
| It was like a monster movie in space, and that was the thing. | ||
| They were going to be the first people to do it. | ||
| And so the way they described it in the movie, it's like you would take a piece of paper, fold it in half, put a pencil through the center of them, and then unfold it. | ||
| And you'd go instantaneously through all that space. | ||
| You'd just have to pick the first two spots. | ||
| Get to spots. | ||
| There's a lot of cool stuff. | ||
| They're going to do that someday. | ||
| There's something going on besides just the theory of gravity and the mass and all that. | ||
| There's other things going on. | ||
| And I think that's what Tesla was trying to tap into. | ||
| A lot of the other ones that think about the energy fields that are all around us. | ||
| So there's gravity and there's a bunch of other stuff. | ||
| There's magnetism and there's a lot of other stuff going on. | ||
| So it's not just one force because the middle of the earth has a magma and its iron core spinning. | ||
| It's like, how does that work? | ||
| But they do know that these planets have a pull on other planets. | ||
| They do know that. | ||
| So there's obviously something going on to the theory of gravity. | ||
| Like there's something going on to large objects pulling things towards them. | ||
| That's because that's why Jupiter saves us. | ||
| Because if it wasn't for the gravity of Jupiter, we'd be fucked. | ||
| Because so many asteroids go slamming into Jupiter because it just sucks them in. | ||
| It protects us. | ||
| Yeah, it's bigger than us. | ||
| What was that Van Allen belt? | ||
| The Van Allen radiation belts. | ||
| The radiation belts. | ||
| Yeah, that's not protecting us from... | ||
| But how does that... | ||
| If you go to the moon, you have to go through those radiation belts, right? | ||
| Well, the way they described it is like it's like a hula hoop, or like, not a hula hoop, like a barrel, but with no top and no bottom, and you can shoot out the top. | ||
| So that's what they do, they shoot out the top. | ||
| And they shoot out the top, and apparently you don't have to go through the Van Allen radiation belts. | ||
| So it'd be at the North and South Pole? | ||
| But then I've heard shit that if you go through the belts, you can go through the belts because it's a short amount of time with high exposure if you have a certain amount of protection. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're going deep into space and stuff. | ||
| Well, it's kind of freaky shit because I've talked to people about it. | ||
| I said, well, there's a lot of micrometeors out in space, right? | ||
| And they're like, oh yeah, they're all over the place. | ||
| Well, what happens if you're in a rocket ship and you're going to the moon? | ||
| And you encounter a micrometeor and it hits the craft. | ||
| He's like, well, you're fucking dead. | ||
| I was like, should you just take a chance? | ||
| Like, you have to. | ||
| Yes, you do. | ||
| I mean, like a small thing the size of a marble would nuke a fucking spaceship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Wouldn't it? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You'd think. | ||
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I would think so. | |
| Going how fast they're going. | ||
| They've had some holes in the space station, right? | ||
| Haven't they? | ||
| Because they're just floating around up there. | ||
| I think every now and then they get whacked by stuff. | ||
| There's gotta be holes in that thing. | ||
| Do you remember that movie with Sandra Bullock? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember that movie where a little piece of junk from space slams into their... | ||
| I started watching that. | ||
| I just couldn't get through it. | ||
| No? | ||
| I started watching it. | ||
| I was like, man, this is... | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| Piece of space junk. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Damages the space station. | ||
| Just punched a fucking hole through it. | ||
| Jeez. | ||
| That stuff's just floating around up there. | ||
| We left a bunch of shit up there. | ||
| Golf balls and weird stuff. | ||
| Do you know how many satellites supposed to be flying around? | ||
| It is so crazy that we did that without any, like, thought of, like, what happens in the future when these things start crashing into each other. | ||
| Too much junk up there. | ||
| I mean, how much... | ||
| What is, like, the worldwide number of satellites, if you had to guess? | ||
| Take a guess. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| 100,000? | ||
| I bet you're right. | ||
| I bet it's about that. | ||
| No, I bet it's more. | ||
| I bet it's 200,000. | ||
| Oh, we have all those little microsatellites, too. | ||
| In the SEAL teams, we had our own little microsatellites we could shoot up. | ||
| How big are those? | ||
| It's classified. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| No, there's some small ones, though. | ||
| There are some real small ones that we can shoot out. | ||
| 100,000? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| According to the internet, I don't know the source. | ||
| There's like 8,000 at the most I'm seeing. | ||
| That's it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Really? | ||
| I'm currently flying. | ||
| Somewhere between 6,500 and 8,200. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| In history? | ||
| No, no, no, just current, like, at the moment. | ||
| Just flying up there right now. | ||
| Yeah, I was looking into space debris and how much stuff is all total up there, but I think that's, like, working fast. | ||
| In history, there's got to be 100,000. | ||
| You think they shoot stuff up there all the time. | ||
| Well, they didn't really start until the 60s, though, right? | ||
| Is that when they started putting satellites up there? | ||
| When did they start doing that? | ||
| Yeah, they had to be able to carry stuff. | ||
| Well, they probably started shooting shit before people, obviously, right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Well, Sputnik was the first one, so Sputnik was 59 or 60-something. | ||
| You ever see the movie Sputnik? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's fucking dope. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| It's a Russian horror movie about these guys, these Russian cosmonauts that encounter an alien and then bring it back to the base. | ||
| It's really fucking good. | ||
| It's all dubbed... | ||
| Sputnik. | ||
| That's the first one, 1957. Since then, 8,900 satellites from 40 countries have been launched. | ||
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Wow. | |
| God, I thought it was way more than that. | ||
| 5,000 remain in orbit. | ||
| I thought it was way more, too. | ||
| 5,000 remain in orbit. | ||
| Of those 1,900 are operational. | ||
| Yo, that means 3,900 fell from the fucking sky? | ||
| They're still up there. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Oh, they're still up there. | ||
| Or both. | ||
| Or a little mixture of both. | ||
| Oh, so they didn't fall from the sky? | ||
| They probably would burn up, though, on their way in, right? | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't bet on it. | ||
| Do they always burn up? | ||
| Don't chunks of them fall to the ground? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Maybe they design them. | ||
| They mostly burn up. | ||
| Maybe they design them to burn up. | ||
| Because they don't have the deflector shields and all the ceramic stuff on them. | ||
| So they really suggest going through the atmosphere? | ||
| Probably just burn up, yeah. | ||
| They would have no protection. | ||
| How wild is that? | ||
| They go so fast, they burst into flames. | ||
| Yes, 60% of the rocket bodies and 60 to 90% of satellite mass burn up during atmospheric re-injury. | ||
| That's still 30% and 10% of rocks coming from fucking space hitting you in the head. | ||
| That seems kind of crazy. | ||
| That'd be a terrible way to die, too. | ||
| Oh my god, hit by a satellite? | ||
| I don't want to die by a satellite. | ||
| Have you seen that movie, Sputnik, Jamie? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it's closed caption, now that I'm thinking about it. | ||
| I don't think it's dubbed. | ||
| Was it a straight-to-DVD movie? | ||
| I think it was one of those movies that... | ||
| 2020? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, new. | ||
| I was flipping through iTunes movies, and I just clicked on it. | ||
| I was like, what is this? | ||
| And then it had good reviews. | ||
| And so I watched it, but it's really fucking good, man. | ||
| It's very interesting, very unique movie. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| It's very Russian, but it's not like any horror movie I've ever seen before. | ||
| It's like a complete original. | ||
| And the storyline behind it is really fascinating. | ||
| It's like they wanted to contain this thing and do something with it, which is, I think, exactly what people would do if we encountered something from another planet. | ||
| I don't think they'd tell us about it. | ||
| They probably would never tell us. | ||
| They wouldn't tell us. | ||
| Joe Biden ain't telling us shit. | ||
| He would lie. | ||
| He wouldn't tell us about aliens. | ||
| Hopefully we didn't get in trouble. | ||
| They seem to be talking about it a lot lately, which I tell you makes me more suspicious. | ||
| They're prepping us for Project Bluebeam. | ||
| I feel like I'm being fucked with. | ||
| The CIA and NSA and the DEA, they're all telling you about UFOs? | ||
| Well, you know what Project Bluebeam is. | ||
| What is Project Bluebeam? | ||
| Project Bluebeam. | ||
| I knew about Blue Book. | ||
| So it's a UFO project. | ||
| It's basically, they didn't really want UFOs. | ||
| They wanted it to be like a religious something up in the sky so they can take all these lasers and whatever they're doing. | ||
| I think they even use UAVs now. | ||
| So they fly them all around there and they can make full solid looking objects in the sky. | ||
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Really? | |
| Anywhere they want. | ||
| So if you throw that one up there, Project Bluebeam. | ||
| My thoughts on this whole UFO thing lately have been like the more they talk about it, the more I think it's fake. | ||
| The more they admit that they can't, we have no idea, these do not come from an earthly source. | ||
| But they're prepping us. | ||
| They're going to get us ready for Bluebeam, and when they do it, they're going to go, see, I told you, UFOs! | ||
| And everybody's scared. | ||
| I think they can make stuff now that looks like UFOs. | ||
| I think they have drones now, I bet, that are like UFOs. | ||
| I bet that's a lot of what we're going to see. | ||
| I don't think you can... | ||
| You can't know how advanced some military technology is. | ||
| Because it's so interesting how they do it. | ||
| It's like, even though they have a budget, it's like, how much do they? | ||
| Spent. | ||
| We don't fucking know. | ||
| We don't have any say. | ||
| Imagine if you could vote on what you want your money going to. | ||
| How much do you want your money going to military? | ||
| How much do you want your money to go into education? | ||
| How much to infrastructure? | ||
| And you could just vote that way. | ||
| And everybody could vote not just for a candidate, but vote for the percentage of your own personal money that you want to go. | ||
| You have to pay the same amount of taxes, but you can choose. | ||
| You can say, hey, I'm opposed to war, so I don't want to donate to that. | ||
| Or I'm opposed to education. | ||
| I want people stupid. | ||
| I'm not going to vote for that. | ||
| That would be ideal, right? | ||
| Because then representatives could never not represent their constituents. | ||
| That wouldn't be on the table. | ||
| So then you'd have to figure out what to do with that money because if you need more money for prisons or you need more money for cops or you need more money for teachers, you should now make the case. | ||
| So if everybody gets to vote for everything, that would be really interesting. | ||
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That'd be cool. | |
| The problem is people don't have time to learn about stuff. | ||
| You know, if you're voting for, like, if there's anything that involves finances, most people have your eyes glaze over, you're barely paying attention to interest rates. | ||
| I was trying to think of what kind of government would that be called? | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Representative government. | ||
| A representative technocracy? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because we are a technocracy right now, you can't deny it. | ||
| Yeah, we're definitely, and it's interesting because I think these entities that became a part of the technocracy, these immense tech companies, It was not their idea to do this. | ||
| Twitter was just trying to come up with a thing where you could talk to your friends. | ||
| Facebook was like, I just want to hook up with somebody. | ||
| Or meet friends from high school and meet back up with them. | ||
| You remember that when people would put like, at Jamie Vernon is going to have pizza? | ||
| Do you remember the earliest days of Twitter? | ||
| That's what people would do. | ||
| Now imagine that that stupid thing would go on to be like the number one source of information and... | ||
| Of propaganda. | ||
| Well, propaganda too, but also of conversations. | ||
| Like the amount of information that gets exchanged and the amount of people interact with each other on Twitter. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be cool to see the numbers. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I don't even think they know the numbers. | ||
| That's what's holding up this Elon Musk deal. | ||
| What's crazy? | ||
| Yeah, those numbers are crazy. | ||
| Well, they don't know the numbers of the fake accounts. | ||
| Is that going to end up being something with the SEC, that they were given false numbers? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how that works. | ||
| I don't know if they know, because it's not whether or not they're false, it's whether or not the method they use to find out is the most effective method. | ||
| But if Twitter knew it had false accounts, and it had a lot of other false data going through there, and they were saying these are our numbers, they were given false numbers to the SEC. Perhaps, but I don't think that would be with their knowledge. | ||
| It's very complicated, because how do you prove that an account is real? | ||
| And there's also a problem, there's people that have real accounts, but they use them like they're not a real account. | ||
| So they have a real account, and they log in, but they don't post at all. | ||
| They just read stuff, which is fine, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's true. | ||
| But some people don't want to interact with people. | ||
| They'd just rather just read other people's opinions on things. | ||
| Those people would be treated as if they have a fake account. | ||
| So it's like, how do we know? | ||
| Is there a way to know? | ||
| And I think Elon has proposed some way to know, but I don't know what that is. | ||
| But the way they do it, it's like... | ||
| I don't know if you're accurate or not. | ||
| I don't think they know. | ||
| There's accounts that are fake accounts that are these internet research agency accounts that they're like indistinguishable from regular people. | ||
| They're posting memes. | ||
| Yeah, they're posting memes. | ||
| They're commenting on stuff. | ||
| They're getting people to comment on stuff for the account and they, you know, they seem real reasonable or they act like a normal person and they're just literally like, it's a fucking, it's not even AI, man. | ||
| It's like a room full of people are doing this. | ||
| The farms. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| Because you can find tweets where you see the same exact wording in multiple accounts. | ||
| You're like, whoa, what the fuck is going on here? | ||
| And then you realize, oh my god, these are bots. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| How many of them are there? | ||
| I have a couple of accounts. | ||
| And I run my accounts differently. | ||
| One, I run it super conservative. | ||
| And I have another one I run it super liberal. | ||
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On purpose? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Because you should have multiple accounts. | ||
| Because what happens is there's an underlying program. | ||
| I'm just going to call it the Moonraker. | ||
| So there's an underlying program under everything, and it's a government program. | ||
| And in that government program, as soon as it starts seeing keywords, it will start pigeonholing you into certain data fields. | ||
| And it does it. | ||
| It's like super deep web complicated program, but it will pigeonhole you. | ||
| And so if you start running something really conservative and making comments and really hitting it hard, you know, on all that stuff and liking it, your account will become more and more conservative. | ||
| If you have a liberal account and you're doing a lot of liberal stuff on there, and I'm saying Democrat, GOP, whatever, left, right, I do it because I want all the data. | ||
| So I want the knowledge. | ||
| And the thing is, if you're going to start pigeonholing me because of stuff I say, then I want to be pigeonholed as far as I can get on that one account. | ||
| And then same thing for the other one. | ||
| Do you have a centrist account? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| Do you have three accounts? | ||
| And there's also a place out there, it's a website, where it actually takes left, center, and right, and it gives you the data from all those places. | ||
| It's a really cool comparison website, and it does it for politics. | ||
| That's a weird thing about the whole algorithm, that it does sort of curate information. | ||
| It will. | ||
| And it kind of promotes the echo chamber mentality. | ||
| Echo chamber. | ||
| That's what I was trying to get through. | ||
| Because that's what you're into, so that's what it gives you. | ||
| And it gives you things that you get upset by because those are the things you engage with the most. | ||
| So can you imagine if I only had one of those accounts? | ||
| So if all I had was a conservative account and that program I was moonraked into all of that area, I'm going to see so much anti-left and so much other stuff and everything I'm being fed is going to make me angrier and angrier against the opposite. | ||
| And it goes both ways. | ||
| Algorithms are very interesting. | ||
| Because I could see how it would help in some ways. | ||
| Like it'll suggest things to you that are interesting, that might be right up your alley. | ||
| And that would be good. | ||
| And you enjoy the site more. | ||
| It's a better product for you. | ||
| But then there's the other thing it does when it comes to opinions. | ||
| And it locks you in. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, and it also seems to—that sort of engagement is almost like it's instigating bullshit, instigating disagreements. | ||
| It totally does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why I don't understand what the reason—what would—why? | ||
| Because I think they didn't anticipate it. | ||
| I think they thought it was going to do the first thing. | ||
| I think they thought... | ||
| Everybody's looking for some insidious plan, but I think it's just human nature. | ||
| And I think what they were doing was showing you the things that you engage with the most. | ||
| So my friend Ari Shafir, he did an experiment, and he only viewed puppy videos on YouTube. | ||
| And all YouTube would show him was videos of puppies. | ||
| Because that's what he asked for. | ||
| But he just did it for an experiment, as did you. | ||
| But if you're that person that clicks on those kind of shows, it's just going to show you that stuff. | ||
| But it's not that it's insidious. | ||
| It was designed, I think, to enhance the experience. | ||
| So if you like watching European football, So you're looking for these matches, and then all of a sudden it's suggesting all sorts of other matches, and it's like, oh, this is great. | ||
| I don't even have to look for them. | ||
| They're right there in front of me. | ||
| It helps you engage the platform more. | ||
| But then people are so crazy that what we want to do is get upset by stuff. | ||
| And even though the world outside, like Bill Hicks used to have a great joke about that, about watching CNN, and about like, you know, they were talking, AIDS, disease, death, everyone's gonna die. | ||
| You know, you'll never live to be a hundred. | ||
| And I forget what the joke was. | ||
| Then he would open up the door and look outside and be like, where the fuck is all this shit happening? | ||
| Where's all the death? | ||
| This bird's tweeting and it's like there's a thing that happens if you focus only on negativity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you only focus on negativity, it's very bad for you. | ||
| You can get too much information, and it's not how you're supposed to live as a human. | ||
| You're not supposed to interface with seven billion people's worth of bullshit. | ||
| It's just too much. | ||
| You literally can't exist like that. | ||
| It's terrible for you. | ||
| And there's a lot of people who do that. | ||
| And that is one of the things that's heightened us on top of the pandemic. | ||
| So you have the pandemic that fucked everybody up, and then you have this social media that's sort of naturally accelerating everybody's anxiety and freaking everybody out. | ||
| And it's closing in all our echo chambers. | ||
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| So if all we're hearing is that one point of view, we're going to really hate the other side. | ||
| Yeah, that's terrible. | ||
| I just think that's what we fell into. | ||
| Our whole country is falling into that trap. | ||
| There's a lot of people that I knew that were pretty reasonable people that during the pandemic especially just ramped things up to such an extreme. | ||
| You're like, my God, man, are you okay? | ||
| You're so political. | ||
| I go to their Twitter page and it's just filled with politics stuff. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| It's a whole world, though. | ||
| It's a world. | ||
| It's like a baseball fan. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Baseball fans like to read off stats. | ||
| These fucking political people, they get really political. | ||
| It's like, man, you're almost like a sports fan. | ||
| You're a sports fan for the Democrats. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| Maybe that's their team. | ||
| Hey, go team. | ||
| I really think that's what it is. | ||
| I think there's a real problem in having parties at all. | ||
| I think you should just have people with ideas. | ||
| Because I think when you have parties, it just makes people want to... | ||
| Like, if you're on one side, you don't like the other side. | ||
| You don't listen to their reasonable ideas. | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| They're the enemy. | ||
| We're gonna crush them. | ||
| Come November. | ||
| You know, and it's like that's probably not healthy. | ||
| It's probably not healthy for the country because people naturally tend to gravitate towards a team that accepts them, whatever it is. | ||
| You know, like you pretend you like things to get in with the cool crowd. | ||
| People do that. | ||
| They do it all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and that's a natural tendency for human beings to want to be connected to a tribe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like you don't necessarily want that. | ||
| You kind of want to be able to have a lot of ideas in your head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want to have to be like, if I believe in this, I believe in that, because it's a part of my tribe. | ||
| And you hear it from all sides. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe I believe in this, but I think that's dumb. | ||
| Maybe I think you guys are a little oversensitive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever heard of loose traps? | ||
| Loose traps? | ||
| Loose. | ||
| L-O-O-S-H. No. | ||
| Loose trap. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's a little bit about what I was talking about when we get into those echo chambers and we get all the negativity and when that underlying program is constantly feeding us all the information to make us deeper and deeper into our own... | ||
| You know, nihilistic, you know, self, everything. | ||
| It's just, it's our way to pull in all the data. | ||
| So the loose trap is a, it's a negative, it's piling on all the negative feelings and negative information and making people get, ah, that anxiety, that angst, that anger. | ||
| And so the loose is actually, it's probably going into religion and spirituality a little bit. | ||
| But if you believe That there's good in the world, and you also kind of have to believe that there's also the opposite. | ||
| If you believe that good energy can heal, like there was that one experiment they did at some university or somewhere where everybody got around a thing of water, and they give good vibrations and good energy to the water. | ||
| Then they studied the water under a microscope, and the water was in this really cool geometric shape. | ||
| And they did the same experiment with some water, and they were angry at it and yelling at it and being mean to it, and the water was all discombobulated and weird-looking. | ||
| I saw that, but I didn't know if that was bullshit. | ||
| I was always going to ask you, Jamie, to look that up. | ||
| That'd be a good one to look up, because tell you what, and because we're so much water- If that's real, that's crazy. | ||
| 67% water? | ||
| But if it's not real, that might be just as crazy. | ||
| It shows how crazy people are that would make something like that up. | ||
| That's almost more interesting. | ||
| I really think it's true. | ||
| Yeah, but I wish it wasn't true now because then it's even more fascinating that someone would make something like that up. | ||
| Dude, I went for like forever, for a long time, believing that the sky was filled with these flying worms. | ||
| This is how stupid I am, Kristen. | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| Wait, you're freaking me out now. | ||
| This is how dumb I am. | ||
| I was getting baked with my friend Eddie, Eddie Bravo, and we would watch these documentaries on these things called rods. | ||
| This is one of the dumbest things I've ever done. | ||
| And I mean, I spent many hours watching these things. | ||
| Like, this is incredible. | ||
| You can only capture them with high-speed cameras. | ||
| That's not true at all. | ||
| What it really is, is when you have a camera that's filming, like unless it's a super high-speed camera, when a bug flies across it, it shows like a trail. | ||
| It doesn't just show a bug that's moving across the stream. | ||
| But when they have like a 4K camera, like one of those high-definition cameras, then you see it's just a bug. | ||
| So this show called, I think it was Monster Hunters, they showed it on TV. I'm like, God damn it, I'm so dumb. | ||
| There's worms everywhere. | ||
| I believe that there was flying worms in the sky. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| There's a video of these guys jumping into a cave. | ||
| They're parachuting down into a cave in Mexico. | ||
| And as they're doing it, these things fly by. | ||
| These things fly under them. | ||
| And it looks so real. | ||
| Like, if you're dumb like me and you don't understand exposures and cameras, see if you can find that because it's so stupid. | ||
| Dude, for fucking years I believed this. | ||
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At least a solid two years I thought this was real. | |
| I watched hours of those documentaries. | ||
| I have to look back at my memory and what was something that I believed that was just totally off the ball? | ||
| That's the dumbest one. | ||
| That's the dumbest one of things I believed. | ||
| I think the Bigfoot one. | ||
| I believed Bigfoot for a long time. | ||
| But I think Bigfoot used to be real. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think there's too many Native American words for that animal. | ||
| But there's also South American words, and there's words in Siberia. | ||
| There's also a real animal that existed with humans. | ||
| It's called the Gigantopithecus, and it was in the orangutan family, and it was somewhere around eight feet, ten feet tall. | ||
| It was huge! | ||
| There's a photo of what it would look like, because it was a bipedal hominid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a standing upright ape that might have been 10 feet tall. | ||
| And there's a picture of it like what it would look like if it was like a modern human was standing there next to this thing. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| So why did the Smithsonian destroy all of those huge skulls, the giant skulls and all the giant bones? | ||
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What? | |
| All of the 15-foot, 20-foot-tall humans. | ||
| Oh, you're taking me down a good crazy road. | ||
| So 20 to 10, 15, 20-foot-tall humans. | ||
| And the Smithsonian destroyed them? | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| All the skulls and all the skeletons. | ||
| Are you sure they destroyed them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, supposedly. | ||
| Let's look at this gigantopithecus first. | ||
| I'm going to show you this first because it's so crazy. | ||
| Just show me an image. | ||
| I'm on four things back up right now. | ||
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I know. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I got the water thing, but I'll do the gigantopithecus. | ||
| You did find it? | ||
| Should we go to the water thing first? | ||
| It's cool because it's jumping around. | ||
| It's making these shapes. | ||
| We'll go to the water thing. | ||
| Come back to Bigfoot. | ||
| Top it off with... | ||
| What was the last one? | ||
| I tried to look that up pretty quick. | ||
| It's pretty tough. | ||
| Is it tough? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Breaking it... | ||
| I couldn't find any sort of science about it. | ||
| Any scientific things. | ||
| So then I went to the Wikipedia of the guy who made the claims. | ||
| And... | ||
| In this, 2003, James Randi published an invitation to him offering him to take the $1 million Paranormal Challenge in which he could have received a million dollars if he could reproduce the experiment under test conditions and he did not receive a response. | ||
| That was the water stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The water stuff, it's showing, like, snow, you know, like crystals when they turn into snow, and then it's a bunch of other weird pictures, and it's just showing pictures. | ||
| There's no, like, science on how to reproduce it. | ||
| That James Randi guy. | ||
| Look at, what if you look at frequency effects on water? | ||
| That's way different. | ||
| Because the frequency, frequency effects on water. | ||
| That's way different than what this was claiming is that you have to like leave water in a jar for 30 days and like talk to it. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| Oh, that's different too than I was looking at. | ||
| Because the frequency has really lined it up and made it. | ||
| Is there any science on talking to plants? | ||
| I think there is. | ||
| That's different, too. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Well, think about church. | ||
| Did you go to church as a kid? | ||
| Not that much, but I stopped when I was like seven. | ||
| So I grew up in a very church atmosphere. | ||
| Jerry Falwell, we went to that school and church with Jerry Falwell and Adrian Rogers in Memphis, Tennessee. | ||
| So we went to the big megachurches. | ||
| We were like deep, deep Baptist, evangelical Christians. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| So I got indoctrinated really young for a long time. | ||
| So if you start throwing Bible verses at me, I can throw it down. | ||
| Yeah, I can throw it down. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I can throw down Bible quick. | ||
| What branch of Christianity is that? | ||
| Davidian? | ||
| No, I'm just kidding. | ||
| It was an evangelical Christian and Baptist. | ||
| For instance, there is some very strange water experiments you can do with frequencies. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| You can set it down on plates and make some really cool stuff, too. | ||
| It all shapes out. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| So the electricity running into the water makes it do that spiral? | ||
| It's sound, really. | ||
| It's not even electricity. | ||
| It's sound. | ||
| Vibrations. | ||
| The spout is connected to a speaker. | ||
| The speaker is being controlled by an oscillation thing. | ||
| But if you do all the hertz, you can see it. | ||
| Oh my god, this is incredible! | ||
| What is the... | ||
| This is just one experiment for this. | ||
| There's a lot of other really, really cool ones. | ||
| There's the ones that run through all the frequencies, and you have the balanced frequencies, which is... | ||
| I'm messing up the frequencies right now. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| TBI. I just blame it on TBI. Maybe I spoke another joint. | ||
| It changes shapes. | ||
| So it goes into like this hexagram and all these different shapes. | ||
| Yeah, different patterns. | ||
| So if you change the frequency, the patterns change. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so if it can do that, and that's why I was talking about prayer and churches and singing. | ||
| There was a time when a lot of humanity would get together at least once a week. | ||
| And it would sing together. | ||
| And it would pray together. | ||
| And no matter who you're praying to, God or Yahweh or the Creator or the Maker, whoever you want to pray to, if everybody's on the same frequency, everybody's on the same energy, and they're giving you all this energy, how could that be bad? | ||
| Look at this thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is some weird shit. | ||
| So the ultrasonic waves are causing these objects to levitate. | ||
| So they're levitating in the ultrasonic waves. | ||
| Is that ice? | ||
| I don't even think it says exactly what they're floating there. | ||
| It's probably just a piece of maybe like rice or a piece of paper or something. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| But people speculate this is maybe how the pyramids might have been made because of the frequencies that people think they make or could have made, you know, back when they existed in the way they did in their original form. | ||
| And if you think about all of... | ||
| I don't know how. | ||
| This is part of like... | ||
| That was something that Eddie Griffin said outside the comedy store once high as fuck. | ||
| Smoking cigarettes going by. | ||
| Pyramids were made with sound! | ||
| Yeah, I believe that. | ||
| There's a frequency. | ||
| I remember someone's talked about there's a hum in there or there's a specific frequency in one of the pyramids. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Well, there's something certainly to the shape of the stone and the fact that it's all going to echo like crazy. | ||
| And there's that one pyramid in South America. | ||
| You can yell at it and it gives you a bird sound back. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's something going on with pyramids. | ||
| We're a pyramid culture. | ||
| Have you ever seen that, Jamie? | ||
| Where the guy stands down at the bottom of, I think it's in Chichen Itza, and he makes some noise. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| Did he yell? | ||
| I think he can make clap. | ||
| You can make any noise, loud noise, that it comes back as a bird. | ||
| It sounds weird. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| And that's like the temple of Quetzalcoatl, I think, too. | ||
| I might have made that up. | ||
| But that's like their bird. | ||
| It sounded good. | ||
| Their crazy bird god. | ||
| Is it in Chichen Itza? | ||
| Chichen Itza echo clap. | ||
| But if you do the... | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| I gotta sit down. | ||
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He's next. | |
| He'll come. | ||
| Isn't that-- if you saw how big this pyramid is and how far away this guy is from it, you would realize how crazy that is. | ||
| If you're listening to this, just listening to this. | ||
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This is a simple echo, actually. | |
| It's very simple to explain. | ||
| When you clap in front of a pyramid, I mean of a slope, the sound will go to the top. | ||
| In this case, a pyramid. | ||
| And if there's a cavity or a temple, like in this case, the echo will come back to you. | ||
| If you clap in front of an Egyptian permit, nothing happens, because the sound goes away. | ||
| They did that on purpose. | ||
| Imagine if they figured that out on purpose. | ||
| Imagine if they designed that. | ||
| If they designed that, we need to figure out what the fuck went wrong. | ||
| Like, what happened? | ||
| Something happened to, what is it, to Dryas? | ||
| Yeah, Younger Dryas. | ||
| Younger Dryas. | ||
| Nobody talks about that. | ||
| Why don't we ever talk about the fact that we were very advanced Human beings doing amazing things, the pyramids and doing this and floating rocks and doing space stuff maybe back in those days. | ||
| Then it all was destroyed. | ||
| Now we're rebuilding. | ||
| Why can't we accept that fact? | ||
| Well, you know, I think civilization has these rises and falls, and we always want to believe that we're in the middle of rising, that we're at the highest level that people have ever been. | ||
| Because we're way higher than anybody that we know of. | ||
| And when we look back a thousand years from now, yeah, we're way more advanced than them. | ||
| But when you take into account the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, it gets real confusing because you start going, well, okay, if that did happen, like how smart were people 12,000 years ago? | ||
| If the US was really covered, half of it was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice, And people were creating these insane structures, like insane, whether it's the pyramids of Egypt or, I mean, I don't know what year Machu Picchu was made, but a lot of people date it back a long time ago as well. | ||
| I mean, is Machu Picchu from that era? | ||
| Like, when do they think Machu Picchu was constructed? | ||
| But it's another one of those things. | ||
| It just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's so amazing. | ||
| None of it makes sense. | ||
| Like, how did you get these stones here? | ||
| They're so big and it's so perfect and beautiful. | ||
| And the way they contoured the stone to fit into these slots. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
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We can't do it. | |
| We still can't. | ||
| 1450? | ||
| Really? | ||
| That seems wrong. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Oh, that might be just one of those things. | ||
| There's one of those things where, like, archaeologists, they'll date a thing. | ||
| And, you know, you can't really date stone. | ||
| So they date, whether it's biological material, they have to find a piece of wood or something that they can do a carbon dating or something on. | ||
| You can't date stones. | ||
| So they're probably just kind of guessing. | ||
| They might be off. | ||
| The thing is, that becomes doctrine with a lot of people. | ||
| They found that thing, Gobekli Tepe, and that threw a monkey wrench into everything. | ||
| Because for sure, that's 12,000 years old. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So that means somebody covered it up intentionally 12,000 years ago. | ||
| That means they could build this stuff 12,000 years ago. | ||
| Like, how? | ||
| How would they be able to make these immense stone columns when we think that these people are supposed to be hunter-gatherers? | ||
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The last occupied was 1450. Oh, that makes sense. | |
| And that's what it's just giving me the answer for when I ask. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| Like, people kept using it. | ||
| But when did they actually make it? | ||
| I mean, when you get to looking at stuff like the Great Pyramid of Egypt, and they placed that somewhere around 2500 BC, maybe they're right. | ||
| There's so much shit there that's below that. | ||
| There's so much stuff that they find, like these old kingdom structures that are under the ground. | ||
| There's old subway systems under the pyramids. | ||
| How about all the stuff they're finding in the Amazon? | ||
| They're finding all these ancient civilizations in the Amazon that could have been immense and had who knows how many fucking people living in these really complex grids. | ||
| That was all cities. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So I've been buying old encyclopedias. | ||
| So I'm trying to find, like I have an encyclopedia from 1910. I have another book of, it's a single book and it's like the world knowledge book or something. | ||
| And that's from 1890 or something. | ||
| But I'm trying to get all these really old books. | ||
| Because you've got to figure that all of history, everything that's written down, is written by the victors. | ||
| That's what happens to everything else. | ||
| And so if you're looking pre-World War I for the data, and I think if you want to know anything for sure, you have to go before World War I. Really? | ||
| Because I think everything was changed. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| We're rewriting stuff as we speak right now. | ||
| There's stuff being adjusted. | ||
| They're taking words out of the dictionary, and they're changing stuff, and they're saying that this is wrong, and they're constantly correcting historical documents. | ||
| The encyclopedia today is not going to be the same as my 1910 encyclopedia. | ||
| What do you think they're omitting? | ||
| I think they're trying to cover stuff up. | ||
| Like what kind of stuff? | ||
| I really believe that, like if you start looking at Rockefeller and a lot of the really big, you know, rich moguls from back in those days, they changed the schools, they changed universities, changed how we think, they changed how we educate. | ||
| They started changing the entire medical, you know, system from all this really good homeopathic, really cool stuff to all this pharmaceutical stuff based on oil. | ||
| I just think there's so much things going on in those days when they had a chance to do it that now we are brainwashed to think that all of these natural herbs and all this stuff doesn't do anything for us. | ||
| The only thing that can help is if you take this aspirin. | ||
| The only thing that can help is if you take this one vaccine. | ||
| He says, no, there's all this other stuff that's been going on for thousands of years, but they're covering it up. | ||
| They're erasing those parts of history and saying that this is the way you do it. | ||
| So I just want to look at it. | ||
| I want to look at what they had back in the early 19s or 1800s, compare it to what's here, okay? | ||
| But if you compare it, when it comes to medical science, there's no comparison to what they know today. | ||
| They've done so many studies. | ||
| There's been so much data. | ||
| For sure, it's corrupted somewhat by the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure, testing is somewhat corrupt. | ||
| They've been busted doing stuff before. | ||
| They've had to pay massive fines, for sure. | ||
| But also, for sure, our understanding of how to heal people is better than it's ever been, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I 100% agree. | ||
| So that's one of the things that when people want to talk about using herbs to cure diseases, I'm like, what? | ||
| Medicine's pretty fucking good, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| But why can't we do both? | ||
| Yeah, we should be looking. | ||
| Why can't we look at all these herbs and say, if I take this willow bark and I scrape this down and I do this, and there's aspen trees, there's all these different trees and all these different herbs that have really good benefits. | ||
| What do you get out of an aspen tree? | ||
| They got rid of all of it. | ||
| I thought the aspen tree was the bark, and that's how they used to use it for headaches and stuff. | ||
| It's willow tree, right? | ||
| Oh, willow. | ||
| Willow? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's willow. | ||
| One of those? | ||
| You scraped a bark off a willow. | ||
| Is that all you have to do to get aspirin? | ||
| I bet it tastes like shit, though. | ||
| It's the bark off a willow tree. | ||
| Eat this bullshit-ass bark? | ||
| You just swallow a couple of bare aspirins? | ||
| Six months ago, I stopped using toothpaste. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So I don't use any toothpaste. | ||
| What do you wash your teeth with? | ||
| Well, I just do brush to get stuff out, but basically my mouth bacteria is at a point right now, just like your stomach, all those bacteria, there's good bacteria and bad bacteria. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| So the good stuff is built up good enough right now that I have zero odor, zero nothing. | ||
| I don't have to worry about anything in there. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So you think we've been fucking ourselves over with toothpaste? | ||
| I think a lot of pharmaceuticals and a lot of stuff out there isn't always the right stuff for us. | ||
| It is a common misconception that aspirin is found in the bark of the willow tree. | ||
| A related compound called salicin does indeed occur in the willow bark, thereby explaining the use of the bark as a medication since the name, since the time of Hippocrates. | ||
| Okay, so it works like, it's just a different thing that works like aspirin. | ||
| It's not acetylsalic acid. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Look at you, smart past. | ||
| That's aspirin. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Yeah, so that's Gigantopithecus. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| That was a real thing. | ||
| So that was a real animal. | ||
| And the way they found out about this is interesting. | ||
| There was a guy, I think it was an anthropologist, was in an apothecary shop in China in like the 1930s, I think? | ||
| Somewhere like early in the 20th century. | ||
| And he found this tooth. | ||
| And he's like, what is this? | ||
| It's a giant primate tooth. | ||
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That's correct. | |
| And he was looking at it, and he was like, this is wrong. | ||
| Where the fuck did you find this? | ||
| And they took him to wherever it was, and he found more. | ||
| So he found jawbones, and the position of the jaw is one of a hominid that is bipedal. | ||
| So it's like the position of the jaw is supposedly one that's a stand-up gorilla. | ||
| So this big-ass, hairy, man-looking thing that you saw in that first picture. | ||
| Apparently, that was a real thing. | ||
| And it lived alongside people. | ||
| Like, there was a thing walking around like that in the jungle. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| It's fucking crazy! | ||
| Can you look up 1800s giant skeletons? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The Smithsonian killed the giants. | ||
| Yeah, because it would be the same thing as this. | ||
| Here's the claim. | ||
| Giant human skeletons were found by the thousands and destroyed by the Smithsonian. | ||
| An old hoax has resurfaced in an Instagram meme claiming that giant skeletons were found but were destroyed because having to explain the existence of these skeletons contradicted the evolution of mankind and creation, end quote. | ||
| The July 25th post by the user Conspiracy Theories, which is probably a Russian anyway. | ||
| That's probably a Russian hoax. | ||
| 54,700 likes reads, giant skeletons were found by the thousands, but most were destroyed or thrown in the ocean by the Smithsonian and Vatican. | ||
| Can you do the newspaper articles? | ||
| Because it shows in the newspapers throughout the entire 1800s and in the 1900s in the United States, there are almost every week a farmer was digging up a giant skeleton. | ||
| But did they take pictures of these things? | ||
| Yeah, there's photos. | ||
| Just photos? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that right there, there's probably a lot of hoax that the Smithsonian didn't destroy thousands. | ||
| They only destroyed a few hundred. | ||
| But the Smithsonian did admit. | ||
| The thing is, people are always full of shit. | ||
| Some of the bones they were shown were dinosaur bones. | ||
| I did read that in the article. | ||
| It said that they were just showing pictures of people finding dinosaur bones and saying they were giants. | ||
| But there's a whole bunch of old, early 1900s, 1800s newspaper articles where they were printing them in the Austin Gazette. | ||
| Some farmer just out on the road dug up a skeleton and they went down there and took pictures and put it into the Austin Gazette. | ||
| Maybe they didn't know that it was a dinosaur? | ||
| Maybe they thought it was a person, it was like a woolly mammoth or something? | ||
| They're full human skeletons. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Is there any photos of these full human skeletons? | ||
| I'm super skeptical. | ||
| In the newspapers. | ||
| Super skeptical. | ||
| Super skeptical about these giant human skeletons. | ||
| Take some data from right and left. | ||
| I found something, but let's see what it is. | ||
| There's a picture of giants in West Virginia. | ||
| There's tons of these newspaper articles. | ||
| That's high resolution. | ||
| That does not look real. | ||
| We don't know how tall that other dude is either. | ||
| That's me standing next to Shaq. | ||
| Okay, what does it say? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I'm trying to read through quickly, but I'm just looking for newspapers. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| If you just do it, just the pictures of the newspapers. | ||
| Why would the Smithsonian destroy it, though? | ||
| Well, they had a whole bunch of them, and it did admit to destroying a lot of skeletons. | ||
| And it's another newspaper article that I found where the Smithsonian is actually apologizing for destroying those skeletons. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Smithsonian apologized for destroying giant skeletons? | ||
| They did a real little article that they destroyed a bunch of skeletons or a bunch of them got sent off somewhere or died in a fire. | ||
| They said something happened to them. | ||
| They said, hey, we're sorry. | ||
| Imagine if you went over to Bill Gates' house and he takes you into a secret room. | ||
| He's got giant skeletons. | ||
| He's got all of them. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Dude, they were real. | ||
| They were real. | ||
| All the dinosaurs were actually dragons. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| Imagine if dragons were... | ||
| I mean, you think about why are there so many depictions of a similar creature throughout all these different cultures? | ||
| Like, that was that Matthew McConaughey movie. | ||
| Do you remember that movie? | ||
| There was a movie where it turns out they were digging into the ground for something, like oil or some shit, and they tapped into dragons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the dragons were... | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Giant skeletons found. | ||
| Cave in Mexico gives up the bones of an ancient race. | ||
| Okay, it says Charles C. Clapp, who has recently returned from Mexico, where he has been in charge of Thomas W. Lawson's Minipig... | ||
| Mining. | ||
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Oh. | |
| That's so bad resolution. | ||
| Mining interest has called the attention of Professor Agassiz? | ||
| Agassiz? | ||
| How do you say that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Agassiz? | ||
| Agassiz. | ||
| To a remarkable discovery made by him, he found in Mexico a cave containing some 200 skeletons of men, each above eight feet in height. | ||
| The cave was evidently the burial place of a race of giants who... | ||
| Antedated. | ||
| Antedated? | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Predated the Aztecs. | ||
| Oh wow, I've never heard that word. | ||
| Antedated the Aztecs. | ||
| Mr. Clapp arranged the bones of one of these skeletons and found the total length to be 8 foot 11 inches. | ||
| The femur reached up to his thigh and the molars were big enough to crack a coconut. | ||
| The head measured 18 inches from front to back. | ||
| And this is like, what year is this in the New York Times? | ||
| 1908. Wow. | ||
| So there's a ton of newspaper articles from all around the country, all these little tiny gazettes. | ||
| But why would they destroy it? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| There's a couple of them. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Giant skeletons found Los Angeles. | ||
| Strange skeletons found Madison, Wisconsin. | ||
| Georgia. | ||
| You're going to find it all over the whole country and all around the world. | ||
| But why would they hide that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's the thing that really boggles my mind. | ||
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18 feet tall, look at that one! | |
| Austin, Texas. | ||
| They're tripping on peyote, man. | ||
| If the report of the fossilized skeleton of a giant 18 feet tall Has been found near Seymour, Texas is true. | ||
| It is the most important ethnological discovery ever made in the world, remarked Dr. J. E. Pierce, professor of anthropology at the University of Texas. | ||
| I bet he probably said that with the most mocking tone ever. | ||
| Do you understand that it would be the most important ethnological discovery ever made in the world? | ||
| Look how big he was. | ||
| But here's the question for all this. | ||
| So this is a newspaper article from Austin, Texas. | ||
| Austin, Texas newspaper article from way back in the old days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why would they print that? | ||
| Why would they print that? | ||
| And it's all over the country. | ||
| There's newspaper articles just like this all around the entire country of farmers digging up bones. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| This is a 12-foot tall guy. | ||
| Well, it could be that it was real. | ||
| Or it could be that it became a myth that just gets repurposed. | ||
| And like a lot of things, like the Mothman or a lot of these things that people believe they're seeing, you hear about it and then you claim you see it. | ||
| And then it goes on and on and on. | ||
| Want to watch a video? | ||
| Want to watch a video of a giant? | ||
| A real giant? | ||
| A real giant video. | ||
| How big is he? | ||
| Probably 15, 16 feet tall. | ||
| What? | ||
| Look up a Japanese parade giant. | ||
| If you do those three words, it shows you. | ||
| Is it an actual giant human? | ||
| It's a Japanese film from before World War II. And he's 15 feet tall? | ||
| He's got 12 or 15 feet tall. | ||
| If you look at the video, it's a video. | ||
| It's a live video. | ||
| You see the dude walking around. | ||
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- What? - Just huge guy. - Just . - Imagine if they were just, they just died off. | |
| What? | ||
| It was too hard to get food. | ||
| Or imagine if we went to war with them. | ||
| How would we win? | ||
| Technology. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What kind of technology do we have when the giants were around? | ||
| We're fighting like third generation warfare and the giants are still stuck in first generation warfare. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| If that younger drug... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No, that's not real. | ||
| That is so not real. | ||
| That's so CGI. You back up, that's a fake video. | ||
| If you back up and watch, watch the guy walk. | ||
| Look how he's standing. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| Look at his neck and everything. | ||
| Hey, it looks, it's weird. | ||
| Yeah, it looks like horse shit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I would love to study that film now. | ||
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Doesn't it, Jamie? | |
| Yes. | ||
| This looks like someone who was practicing making this. | ||
| Yeah, it looks like someone put a CGI. Even the way the thing's moving, it's so rigid. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, this is fake. | ||
| It took some old footage and added some stuff into it. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they did. | ||
| They spliced that in there. | ||
| I want to see a full analysis, though. | ||
| Because this is one of the videos that's been around. | ||
| Next time you have a question like this, you bring it to us. | ||
| You can't be running around believing this shit. | ||
| Okay, so I've got to give off that one? | ||
| I've got to give that one up. | ||
| So there's no giants? | ||
| I think there's no giants. | ||
| I think the Bigfoot one is probably, if you go back to that Younger Dryas impact theory, that apparently they think that could be what was the cause of mass extinction of an enormous number of the megafauna on North America in particular. | ||
| It all happened around that time period. | ||
| And they think if that was a real animal and it existed at one point in time and co-existed with people, it could have died off just like the mammoth did, a lot of other animals did during that time period. | ||
| Saber-toothed tigers, they all died off around then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't know why those things all died off. | ||
| There's a bunch of different theories, but one of them is that Younger Dryas Impact Theory. | ||
| It's a very good one. | ||
| Because we know things get hit by asteroids. | ||
| It's not outside of the realm of possibility. | ||
| We know it happens all the time. | ||
| And they actually have that. | ||
| Speaking of patterns of astrology, astronomy rather, they know when Earth passes through this area where there's a lot of comets. | ||
| And it coincides with the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. | ||
| They think it happened a couple of times, not just once. | ||
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A couple thousand years apart, too. | |
| They think it probably happened somewhere around 12, and I think they think it might have happened again around 10,000 years ago. | ||
| And every time that happened, I guarantee you, if there's enough of that nuclear glass that they find, and enough iridium, which exists when they do the core samples, and they get to that time, there's enough to indicate impacts. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| And any impact is going to leave a lot of iridium at a course. | ||
| It's probably a fucking doozy. | ||
| It's a huge one. | ||
| Doozies. | ||
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You've got to wonder, how smart were they before that? | |
| How did they make the pyramids? | ||
| It's like they left behind such undeniable achievements. | ||
| You can't dismiss it. | ||
| You can't dismiss the possibility that they might have had a civilization even more advanced than we are today. | ||
| More advanced than we are. | ||
| Which is so weird, because we don't want to believe that. | ||
| We want to believe. | ||
| There's no way people 5,000 years ago were fucking smarter than us. | ||
| No way. | ||
| But I mean... | ||
| I do believe it. | ||
| Maybe they fucking were, man. | ||
| Maybe they figured something out. | ||
| And I wonder what that it would be. | ||
| Like, what could make them able to do something like the pyramid? | ||
| Like the Great Pyramid of Giza. | ||
| Two million three hundred thousand stones. | ||
| Some of them from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away. | ||
| Like, they put together something that's so nuts. | ||
| That even thousands and thousands of years later, you walk by and you go, what the fuck? | ||
| How did I do this? | ||
| How did you do this? | ||
| How did you do it so good, too? | ||
| There's stuff like that all over the earth. | ||
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All over the earth. | |
| You walk up to it and you go, how did I do this? | ||
| Thousands of years ago. | ||
| The Acropolis and the Parthenon. | ||
| The Parthenon is the bottom one, right? | ||
| Isn't that the bottom one? | ||
| The Acropolis, the building, it sits on the Parthenon. | ||
| So they just say that that was already there. | ||
| Like the Parthenon, the part that it's built on. | ||
| You ever see how fucking big those stones are? | ||
| Freaking huge. | ||
| And it was just there. | ||
| So when the Greeks built the Acropolis, that shit was already there. | ||
| They built it on top of it. | ||
| And everything's all square. | ||
| It's all perfect. | ||
| It's so big! | ||
| Go to the giant stones of the Parthenon. | ||
| Just Google that. | ||
| Because they're so big, you just go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| What year was this? | ||
| When did they do this? | ||
| They did it with horses and wagons. | ||
| Where did you get the rock? | ||
| What the fuck is going on here? | ||
| It's so big, and they literally give no explanation as to how it was made. | ||
| Like, see if you can see, um, is there any images that show, like, the sides of it? | ||
| Where you can get a... | ||
| It is huge. | ||
| There's some images that show the... | ||
| Yeah, okay, that's a good one. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| Look how big those rocks are! | ||
| Like, what did you do? | ||
| How did you do that? | ||
| Who did that? | ||
| Hercules. | ||
| Oh, there's a good example. | ||
| There's a good example. | ||
| Like, are you out of your fucking mind? | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| Is that a spaceship launch pad? | ||
| I mean, look at the size of those stones, man! | ||
| Imagine if that's what it was. | ||
| It's like, at one point in time we had spaceships. | ||
| How cool would that be? | ||
| Pretty fucking cool. | ||
| What are your thoughts on aliens? | ||
| Do you think they're watching us? | ||
| Do you think they'll step in? | ||
| God, aliens. | ||
| I don't think they're from, like, space. | ||
| I think they're from the ocean. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's definitely been some of those what they call transmedium crafts that have been observed. | ||
| I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell, and he makes these documentaries on UFOs. | ||
| He did this amazing one on Bob Lazar. | ||
| And they send him footage because they know that he's like the main UFO guy. | ||
| And he'll study it and understand it. | ||
| And he releases it and tells people where it came from. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| But I'm always like, how do you know that someone's not fucking with you? | ||
| Yeah, there's something going on. | ||
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Totally. | |
| But the ocean, there's something going on, man. | ||
| That's so deep. | ||
| A lot of people have seen things come out of the ocean. | ||
| A lot of people have, including that Tic Tac, that experience that Commander David Fravor had that was off the coast of San Diego in 2004. Did you ever hear about this story? | ||
| I didn't hear that one. | ||
| Commander David Fravor, he's a naval pilot, rock solid, just everything about him. | ||
| You believe every word out of his mouth, never had an outrageous day in his life that was like this. | ||
| And then one day, he has this thing that they see that's hovering over something that's in the ocean. | ||
| So something is in the ocean below the surface, whether it looks like the size of an aircraft carrier or something, and there's something above it Thing that's shaped like a tic-tac and I think they said it was like how big was that thing it's like 20 feet long So it wasn't that big wasn't that big whatever this thing is they tracked it on radar going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in less than a second They don't know what happened. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| They tracked it with, they got video of this thing, and they had eye contact by two different jets that saw this thing, and they were communicating about it, and they were discussing it, and he's talked about it. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| And then whatever that thing was, jammed their radar, or actively jammed their tracking, which is technically, supposedly an act of war, that's what they say, and then it immediately vanished at this insane rate of speed and went directly to their cat point. | ||
| So it knew where they were supposed to go later in their journey. | ||
| Yeah, that's cool. | ||
| Like, it knew. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Which is fucking nuts. | ||
| And the people that were tracking it and the ship said, hey, we found it again. | ||
| It's at your cat point. | ||
| And they're like, what the fuck? | ||
| I wanna watch that. | ||
| And there's a video of the thing taking off. | ||
| They don't know what it is, though. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| Is that a drone? | ||
| Is that from another planet? | ||
| Is that something we have? | ||
| But you're open-minded enough to look at it and wonder, what is that? | ||
| I want it to be an alien. | ||
| You don't automatically shut down and go, well, that's just fake or whatever. | ||
| No, but I want it to be an alien. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| The reason why I'm so critical about these things is because I want them to be real. | ||
| If they came from under the ocean, wouldn't they still be aliens? | ||
| Not good enough. | ||
| It has to be, like, out there somewhere? | ||
| No, it would be cool. | ||
| It would definitely be cool, but there's levels of cool. | ||
| So, like, there's Aquaman level cool. | ||
| Pretty fucking cool. | ||
| But then there's a Silver Surfer cool. | ||
| Cooler than Aquaman. | ||
| Silver Surfer is definitely cooler. | ||
| Silver Surfer is cooler than Aquaman. | ||
| No disrespect. | ||
| I'm a big Jason Momoa fan. | ||
| I think he was the best Conan ever. | ||
| He was pretty cool. | ||
| He was the best Conan. | ||
| It's just the movie wasn't the best. | ||
| But he was the best Conan. | ||
| He was the most believable Conan. | ||
| He could definitely be Conan. | ||
| Yeah, because that's what a guy like Conan would look like. | ||
| He wouldn't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| He was two jacks. | ||
| And he wouldn't have that weird accent either. | ||
| Yeah, he was all shaved down and oiled up like he's about to pose. | ||
| But Momoa was like the most believable. | ||
| But something coming from space is better than something coming from the ocean. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think if it came from the ocean, it would be like, they've been here the whole time. | ||
| Do you remember that movie, The Abyss? | ||
| We just won't look. | ||
| Oh, that's a good movie. | ||
| That was in a movie where they came from the ocean, right? | ||
| The Seals are such jerks, so... | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| Why do they do that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They always make the Seals all getting shot for those Marines down in that one little hole. | ||
| So I was talking to one of the guys that was in that movie, a Seal Team guy. | ||
| Who was it? | ||
| It was, uh... | ||
| Shoot, I don't remember. | ||
| But he was talking about that, and he says, what do you think about, you know, this scene? | ||
| And it was the producer-director talking to the Seal Team guys. | ||
| Well, it's just total bullshit. | ||
| We wouldn't be going through this sewer and coming up through here. | ||
| We wouldn't be doing that. | ||
| We wouldn't be doing that. | ||
| Yeah, but it's for the movie. | ||
| You have to do it. | ||
| He says, yeah, but we wouldn't do that. | ||
| He says, yeah, but it's in the script. | ||
| You have to do it. | ||
| He says, yeah, but we think this is bullshit. | ||
| All the SEALs are pissed that they had to do such bad tactics. | ||
| Yeah, why wouldn't they want it to be accurate? | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Like, why would that make it a worse movie? | ||
| They always make the movies screwed up like that, though. | ||
| But isn't that like, if you're bringing SEALs on and you're going to talk to them and there's like a SEAL thing in the movie, how arrogant are they to disrespect the SEALs by coming up with shitty tactics that you would never do? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, we do screw up sometimes, though. | ||
| We do some bad tactics once in a while. | ||
| I definitely had my mistakes in the SEAL teams. | ||
| I just think that if you're gonna depict something in a film, you don't have to lie about what the thing is to make your story work. | ||
| The story's good already. | ||
| The abyss is you got aliens in the fucking ocean. | ||
| You could have a bad seal, but you can't have bad tactics. | ||
| Or they got totally gone bonkers. | ||
| It's like you can't just fake what a thing is because it makes your movie better. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| Seems like that's all I do, though. | ||
| That's a big thing. | ||
| Well, the arrogance of Hollywood, the arrogance of being able to do that. | ||
| I always talk about the Mark Schultz movie. | ||
| You know that movie about that man who killed David Schultz? | ||
| The DuPont, John DuPont, you know that story? | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| The wrestling movie. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That was with Channing Tatum. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Foxcatcher. | ||
| And Ruffalo. | ||
| Yeah, and Mark Ruffalo. | ||
| Yeah, Mark Ruffalo was awesome in that movie. | ||
| Yeah, he's great in everything. | ||
| I mean, Chan was good in that movie, too. | ||
| He was intense. | ||
| It's a really well done movie. | ||
| In that movie. | ||
| It's a dark movie though. | ||
| It's a dark movie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But apparently I don't think it was that accurate. | ||
| I think there's a lot that they took license with as well. | ||
| And one of the reasons why I say this is because there's a fight at the end of it. | ||
| Mark Schultz, who was the brother, he had a fight, one fight in the UFC. And he fought against this guy named Big Daddy Goodrich. | ||
| Gary Goodrich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sorry, my tongue got... | ||
| Sorry about that folks. | ||
| But anyway, Gary Goodridge is a legendary fighter. | ||
| He's fought in the UFC multiple times. | ||
| Gary Goodridge, he has one of the most ferocious knockouts in the history of the sport against this guy Paul Herrera. | ||
| Paul Herrera takes him down and he gets him like a fireman's carry and Gary locks him up in a crucifix and blasts him with elbows. | ||
| It is a horrendous KO. Because he hits him like four or five times while he's completely unconscious. | ||
| And Gary is a giant man. | ||
| Just super jacked. | ||
| So Gary fought Mark Schultz in the UFC. It's not like another guy. | ||
| Like just some random guy. | ||
| No, it's fucking Gary Goodrich. | ||
| He's a legend. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| So Mark Schultz fought Gary Goodrich in real life. | ||
| But in the movie, he fights some Russian guy. | ||
| A completely fake guy. | ||
| It didn't make any sense. | ||
| Why would they do that? | ||
| The historical accuracy... | ||
| Was better than a fake. | ||
| But it's like you're faking something that I know happened. | ||
| I watched it. | ||
| Like you're pretending you wrote a whole new thing. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It makes zero sense. | ||
| So if you do that, how am I supposed to trust you about all the other shit in that movie? | ||
| About nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're just making stuff up to make your movie good. | ||
| And how messed up was DuPont? | ||
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Jeez. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| But he was messed up in real life. | ||
| That was true. | ||
| In real life, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It reminds me of like DuPont, the Rockefellers, the over across the water, you know, all those bankers, all those guys in those days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's that group I'm talking about. | ||
| It's like they had so much power and so much money and so much influence back when our country was still pretty young, you know? | ||
| Between World War I and World War II, we were a young country. | ||
| We were barely alive, you know? | ||
| It's also like what we were talking about earlier about killing jesters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like that guy worked for him, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he just decided to kill that guy. | ||
| It's like that kind of... | ||
| Oh, God, it's exactly like it. | ||
| That's his entertainment. | ||
| Yeah, it's that kind of... | ||
| Ben Shapiro has a video where he's going over these people at Davos. | ||
| You want some coffee? | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| Sorry about that, folks. | ||
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No worries. | |
| Ben Shapiro. | ||
| So in this video, cheers. | ||
| Cheers, man. | ||
| Great talking, man. | ||
| It's been a fun time. | ||
| We haven't even talked about the fun stuff yet. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of fun stuff we're talking about. | ||
| In Ben Shapiro's video he's talking about how there are certain people that really do believe that because they're wealthy they know better and they want to just assume control over things. | ||
| They make things work easier. | ||
| They really think of themselves as elites. | ||
| They don't think of it as elites like, I went to Yale, I went to Harvard. | ||
| No, I'm better than you. | ||
| That's what their version of elite is. | ||
| It is an interesting phenomenon that human beings seem to acquire when they get a lot of power. | ||
| They just feel like they should be able to dictate how people do things. | ||
| It's a weird, natural position almost, right? | ||
| It's 100% natural. | ||
| I think that's one of the problems we have with military people when we retire because we're so used to that chain of command. | ||
| We're so used to the authority being invested within my rank. | ||
| So when I retired, I was a senior chief. | ||
| And I found I was doing this even after I retired a lot. | ||
| Was that because I was a senior chief and because I was like a chief of platoon, you know, or chief of a task unit. | ||
| So I had these 30 people under me and I was working with them and doing combat and all this other stuff. | ||
| Everything was very critical. | ||
| Everything was very time sensitive. | ||
| And you had to do it right. | ||
| When I retired, you keep your rank with you. | ||
| And I think everybody does it to a certain extent. | ||
| And so because we had that power, because we had authority and all that stuff within our rank, within our expertise as a SEAL, It doesn't count in a civilian world. | ||
| And so when I'm speaking to people, sometimes I would make that mistake. | ||
| I would start becoming that chief again. | ||
| And I would start talking to them as I was a chief, telling them what to do rather than working out a way to do it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I do know what you mean. | ||
| I think that transition from military to civilian is a really tough one because we can't get rid of that attitude that we know better because I was a chief. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't always know better. | ||
| And that was the same reason why I'm so open about the fact that I have all these accounts. | ||
| I have all this stuff. | ||
| I want to get the data. | ||
| I want to read all about these giants. | ||
| I want to read about the younger Dryas. | ||
| I want to read about religions and multiple religions, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam. | ||
| I want as much data as I can so that I can make the right decision. | ||
| Also, you want to know how other people think too, right? | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Because we're a weird species, man. | ||
| Fuck yeah, so weird. | ||
| We're just messed up. | ||
| Some people think so different than you, and they're fucking adamant about it. | ||
| Like, when you watch pro-lifers and pro-choice people scream at each other, you're like, wow! | ||
| Like, that's one of the best examples of how differently people think, whether it's because of ideology or religion or what causes you to be so... | ||
| So rock solid and rigid in your principles, whether you're right or wrong. | ||
| It's a strange thing when they collide with someone who is diametrically opposed to you, but equally passionate that they're right. | ||
| And you watch people scream at each other like, whoa, we're so strange. | ||
| We're such a weird species. | ||
| And they're going to fight about that. | ||
| Then they made it political. | ||
| The whole, per choice, per life, all the other stuff is so politicized. | ||
| And we do that to everything. | ||
| But it's one of those things where you clearly know by someone's choice whether or not they're on this side or that side. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| If someone says, I'm pro-life, oh, that's a Republican. | ||
| He's a Republican. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And there's also things like climate change. | ||
| That's political, too. | ||
| They believe so much that we're fucked. | ||
| Those people are almost all Democrats. | ||
| The people that think everything's going to be okay and that we'll figure it out and it's not nearly as bad as everyone's saying, those are all Republicans. | ||
| But if you talk to all the climate change people and you ask them about the Younger Dryas or you ask them about history, historical times that we've had, this earth, In the ice ages or being bombarded by whatever, we've gone through this before. | ||
| It's just different. | ||
| That's why I think climate change- We have, but it is different. | ||
| We definitely are fucking it up. | ||
| We're 100% contributing. | ||
| We're 100% emitting too much carbon and particulates and coal-powered plants make all the cities around them fucked. | ||
| We watched this video of this coal-powered area of, was it Indiana? | ||
| Was it Indiana? | ||
| And this one area has a bunch of coal plants around it. | ||
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And you have like, there's fucking dust on people's cars. | |
| It's nasty. | ||
| There's coal dust. | ||
| So it's in the air. | ||
| So you're breathing coal dust. | ||
| So all these people have all these problems and health problems. | ||
| And it's like, get the fuck out of there. | ||
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Move. | |
| And we've got to stop doing that. | ||
| There's got to be a better way than this. | ||
| We do have to stop doing it. | ||
| We have to try to clean up. | ||
| But you can't clean up at a detriment to the people. | ||
| We all die off. | ||
| But that one is fucked because the people are actually being poisoned by the fucking air, which they need. | ||
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It's a localized area. | |
| You don't even get a chance to choose. | ||
| A local area. | ||
| But then everyone's scared of nuclear. | ||
| But nuclear seems to be one of the only ways where you can generally assume that unless there's a meltdown, you're going to get some pretty solid power out of that. | ||
| It's not nearly as environmentally impactful until it goes really bad. | ||
| When I was working on the Iron Man project... | ||
| What is the Iron Man project? | ||
| It was the Iron Man project. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| So we're trying to build the suit. | ||
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Really? | |
| We've been working on it for a long time. | ||
| I didn't know about this. | ||
| I was on the beginning of the project. | ||
| It was called Carnivore at first and a few other names. | ||
| But in the beginning, there was only a small handful of us working on it. | ||
| What are they using to make the body suit out of? | ||
| It's changed so much right now that it's all kinds of materials. | ||
| I mean, titanium, carbon fiber, all the top stuff. | ||
| And is it supposed to be able to fly? | ||
| It's going to do a lot of stuff. | ||
| Does it have an exoskeleton, so it's stronger? | ||
| It's exo, yeah. | ||
| It's much stronger. | ||
| You can carry a thousand pounds. | ||
| You can do a lot. | ||
| I've seen that stuff. | ||
| That stuff's wild. | ||
| We're getting there, but if you think about that kind of a suit, that exoskeleton, How are you going to move that exoskeleton, those people? | ||
| So if you had a squad, let's just say you had 12 dudes in those exoskeletons, what airplane are you going to use? | ||
| What homevees? | ||
| What vehicles? | ||
| How are you going to get these guys around? | ||
| What boats? | ||
| How heavy are those things? | ||
| It changes everything. | ||
| They're a thousand pounds. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So you can only get a couple of those on a plane. | ||
| Yeah, maybe four. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But that's one of the issues that we're running into is the fact that if we start going in this direction, we start going to exoskeletons, we have to change everything else. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And when we were doing it, it was like the long pole in a tent for the, you know, and I was on these think tanks and I was always like the innovator. | ||
| I was a weird SEAL. You already know that, I guess. | ||
| Well, I guess. | ||
| We'll get to that part. | ||
| I was the techie part. | ||
| I was very technical, and I was working a lot of the national laboratories. | ||
| So all the places that we built, the Manhattan Project, we still have all those facilities all around. | ||
| And so we still use them. | ||
| We work with them, and we try to push the envelope for military and civilian use. | ||
| So there's a lot of things that I was part innovator, inventor of stuff that's gone to the civilian world. | ||
| The Iron Man project was really cool. | ||
| And what are they powering it with? | ||
| That's the problem, was that I'm pulling a tent. | ||
| I kept talking to them, and I was working with all the national labs, Pacific Northwest and all those guys. | ||
| And nuclear battery was pretty much the only way you can go. | ||
| So it'd be a little battery about that big. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| I don't even like having a cell phone in my pocket. | ||
| But we've had those little nuclear batteries since the 50s, so it's no big deal. | ||
| But those nuclear batteries, like, how dangerous is it for a human being to be around it? | ||
| How dangerous is it to be in a military? | ||
| That's true, too. | ||
| We jump out of airplanes at 30,000 feet. | ||
| But I feel like if you wore that thing around, you got horrible bone cancer because of it. | ||
| Yeah, you got lead shielding and a bunch of other shielding and stuff. | ||
| But the thing is, there's so much power and there's so much everything else. | ||
| We were using the hypersonic flywheels and using all this other stuff. | ||
| We were trying to do energy storage in all kinds of different ways. | ||
| Is there a way to shield it so that a person can be in direct contact and not receive... | ||
| You carry it around in a suitcase. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, there's a couple of them. | ||
| Isn't it funny? | ||
| That's one of the things that we're scared of the most. | ||
| I have to be careful of some of the stuff I say. | ||
| I'm constantly going... | ||
| Are you saying stuff that you're not... | ||
| You could edit it out if you're saying stuff that's classified. | ||
| Iron Man is not classified anymore. | ||
| They've talked about it. | ||
| I think it's in Popular Mechanics now. | ||
| But I think some of the people that worked on it are still classified, and some of the stuff they're doing now is probably classified. | ||
| But this is all data. | ||
| Is that a situation where as new technology comes out, then they revise it? | ||
| Yeah, constantly. | ||
| So they're always working on it, but it's not ready? | ||
| We're always working on it. | ||
| So it's usable, some of the pieces. | ||
| Like right now, I mean, my back is just toast. | ||
| All the SEAL Team guys, because we carry those large rucksacks and constantly out there, you know, free-falling, jumping, parachuting, all that stuff. | ||
| Our backs are just toast. | ||
| So what we're trying to do is trying to get it just first as like load carrying. | ||
| And so they made it try—and that was one of my biggest pushes in the beginning of Iron Man was I said we need to build everything as non-energy consumption. | ||
| Everything has to be, you know, pneumatic or springs or somehow using our body to propel everything. | ||
| Because if this whole thing shuts down, the battery turns off, you have to still be able to move, a little bit at least, to be able to get over from here to cover over there. | ||
| You still have to be able to move it. | ||
| So it's a thousand pounds. | ||
| How do you move that thing if there's no power? | ||
| How would you? | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| Where the direction they went in was the direction I didn't want to go, was you can't now. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You're going to be stuck. | ||
| So the power goes off and you're frozen there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| Imagine if you were in the middle of some sort of an operation and there was a solar flare. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the solar flare nukes all the electricity. | ||
| Or EMP or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're screwed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I mean, that's where we're going now. | ||
| A thousand pounds, I mean, how the fuck could you move it? | ||
| How could you if you're stuck in a thousand pound robot? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're done. | ||
| That's what it looks like right now? | ||
| Yeah, so these things are still tethered, a lot of those. | ||
| Okay, so that is the exoskeleton goes down his legs, and that's those things on his legs? | ||
| Yeah, but that's even a way newer. | ||
| That's CGI. I don't know if that's a real one. | ||
| But it's pretty much like that. | ||
| It attaches here around your waist, and it kind of works off your hips. | ||
| So this is one right here? | ||
| And so you see he's got this? | ||
| He's got it on his legs right there. | ||
| It's down the sides. | ||
| So that's a regular one with no power. | ||
| So that's an unpowered one. | ||
| So inside of these little things on his legs, and up around his waist, it might be slightly powered, but those things on his legs, and he'll have up there will be like a piston. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And then that will be, as you're moving your leg, it all works off your own kinetics. | ||
| You know, it's all off of my kinetics. | ||
| And it helps you move? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it can carry large weights. | ||
| So you can go faster and carry a lot more weight. | ||
| Why don't I have one of those in my life? | ||
| I need to buy one of those. | ||
| Paralyzed people, they've got... | ||
| Run up hills. | ||
| They work with paralyzed people? | ||
| Yeah, they have people that are paralyzed and they can attach all this stuff to them and they can walk around and do it. | ||
| So this one is powered. | ||
| And see the way he's got a thing on his heels like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a big thing because when you step, your feet pivot somewhat. | ||
| So you have to watch these things and where you put it and how it goes. | ||
| There's so much to this thing. | ||
| You would not believe it. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| There's a lot of technology in that right there alone. | ||
| And so ultimately they want it where it covers your body like an Iron Man or is that just... | ||
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A lot more. | |
| That's the ultimate would be when you start putting armor and everything on it. | ||
| So you can see that guy right there. | ||
| That's a little bit more... | ||
| That's more like it. | ||
| And so that's all lightweight stuff. | ||
| It's hobo cop shit. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| And so that's the direction we're going in. | ||
| But you can see even that guy right there, he's going to have a hard time getting in and out of vehicles and doing a lot of stuff. | ||
| So as you keep adding this stuff on there, we get bigger and bigger. | ||
| Look how big that guy is. | ||
| He'd have a real tough time getting inside of any vehicles. | ||
| Yeah, and he definitely is not driving anywhere. | ||
| So that's what? | ||
| The pros and cons. | ||
| It's like, yeah, we have all this, we have that, but now we have to redo the vehicles, we've got to do this. | ||
| There's a lot to it. | ||
| Oh, that might be... | ||
| If you look up Carnivore, it might show up the first one. | ||
| How far do you think they are from developing autonomous robots that replace people anyway in these situations? | ||
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We already have them. | |
| Think so? | ||
| With weapons? | ||
| The stuff I was working on 10 and 15, 20 years ago, and how fast we were advancing back then. | ||
| So I would walk into a place, and it would be a chip manufacturer for us to do our sneaky-peaky bugs and stuff. | ||
| And I would show them and say, hey, this is what we're working with right now. | ||
| And we would give them three million bucks, make it half that size. | ||
| And it's all we would get to say, here's three million, half the size. | ||
| And then within six months, they'd give it to us, here, half the size. | ||
| And so when we were doing it, and for my budget, I think I had like $60 million. | ||
| And it's huge budgets when you get to the top levels of the seals. | ||
| And we really push it, and we're constantly pushing these envelopes of technology. | ||
| And so you can kind of see, like even when I was there, I know the sizes. | ||
| And I know that you can have a chip, and you have a chip inside of a chip, and a chip, and a chip, and a chip. | ||
| So you can go all these layers, all this stuff, you start digging. | ||
| And then every time you have the chip, There's a lot of subroutines, subprograms, and everything else you can put into them. | ||
| It's just mind-blowing how advanced we are. | ||
| So when you say, do we have autonomous right now? | ||
| We have airplanes, vehicles, we have all of it already. | ||
| We're fully capable right now to go almost autonomous in warfare. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Do you think they'll develop like a humanoid-type robot, or do you think they'll keep everything to that, you know, they have that sort of dog-shaped one that you see, the four-legged one? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It seems like that would maybe have some advantages in terms of maneuverability with the four legs. | ||
| Yeah, with carrying those heavy loads. | ||
| Those are just mules, so those are only going to bring us equipment back and forth. | ||
| You don't think they'll use those to shoot guns? | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| We already have guns on those. | ||
| Really? | ||
| They're already gunned up. | ||
| They probably won't show a lot of the guns on those things. | ||
| And so when you would operate that, you could operate that remotely and just be connected by satellite or something like that? | ||
| By whatever connection you can, yeah. | ||
| Satellite or even long range, you know, HF. But you hook it up and you have your eye reticle and then that's directly eye reticle with the sight and everything in it to the robot with the gun on it. | ||
| So wherever I'm looking at, the gun is going. | ||
| So I can look and I can see what he's looking at, I can see what I'm looking at and then put them both over each other and then take my shots from the robot or myself. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Yeah, whatever target. | ||
| They always would talk about that in video games, that that was eventually going to replace your mouse cursor. | ||
| It was going to be your eyes. | ||
| Yeah, eyes. | ||
| And then, like, it somehow or another focuses. | ||
| So, like, if you think if you're playing a game and you have triggers in your fingers and you're, like, in a first-person shooter, like Quake or something like that, if you're aiming with your actual eyes, wouldn't that be way better? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And you saw the cursor move. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But maybe you'd get a fucking horrible headache, though. | ||
| At the end of the day, your neck would probably be killing you, right? | ||
| Well, you know, the Harriers... | ||
| Because you'd be doing this all the time. | ||
| Your neck would probably freak the fuck out, wouldn't it, Jamie? | ||
| Doesn't that make sense? | ||
| If you were playing a video game and you were using your head as the cursor, so that's what this guy's doing? | ||
| Oh my god, this is amazing. | ||
| So just stick that on the robot, there's a guy. | ||
| Oh my god, this is amazing. | ||
| So what we're looking at is a man in a cockpit, and as he moves his head up and down, the gun below moves exactly where his vision is. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| So here's how our Marine Corps guy almost killed an entire SEAL Team platoon. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| He was flying up there, and he was in a Harrier. | ||
| I think it was a fast mover. | ||
| But they also have stuff like this. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was a Harrier, but he had it hooked up to his helmet like that. | ||
| And he also had to press to talk to talk to us. | ||
| And so we're on the ground, and he's flying past us like this. | ||
| We're all down here, and he's looking down through his cockpit window. | ||
| And the gun is pointing down. | ||
| He didn't hit. | ||
| Yeah, he's looking right at us with his gun. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so instead of pushing the push to top, he hit the trigger and started blasting at us. | ||
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No! | |
| And that was like one of the big guns. | ||
| That was bigger than that. | ||
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No! | |
| It was a Vulcan. | ||
| It was a big gun. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| And so he just started blasting at us. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So they always had the wingman. | ||
| The wingman, dude's flying like this, shooting at us. | ||
| The guy up here was going, Winchester, Winchester! | ||
| He was yelling, Winchester is out. | ||
| And the guy was going, oh, fuck. | ||
| And everybody started freaking out. | ||
| We're down there just trying to get away. | ||
| But yeah, it was pretty bad. | ||
| It was hairy. | ||
| How many rounds did he let off? | ||
| I had like 8 or 10. Not that many. | ||
| Not that many! | ||
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Not that many! | |
| And we're like, oh man! | ||
| And then they kind of owed us. | ||
| So there's a video out there somewhere. | ||
| Because then they owed us. | ||
| Because we knew what happened. | ||
| Because we heard the guy yelling Winchester. | ||
| Because we had the comms and everything. | ||
| We're like, oh fuck! | ||
| And so we told him, he said, hey, that Winchester, can you guys do a real low-level fly-by for us? | ||
| Help us out a little bit? | ||
| And they were like, okay. | ||
| And so those guys went, I swear to God, man, they were 20 feet off the deck. | ||
| These guys went... | ||
| Almost breaking the speed of sound. | ||
| Just barely off the deck. | ||
| When they went by, it was throwing us down. | ||
| It moved us. | ||
| It was like throwing guys to the ground because they were so low. | ||
| We were like, yeah! | ||
| We're like, okay, we'll forgive that. | ||
| You didn't kill anybody and you gave us a nice flyby. | ||
| Glad you didn't kill anybody. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| September 11th happened. | ||
| Right after September 11th, I was working in... | ||
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Where the fuck is it? | |
| Palmdale working in Palmdale film and fear factor, and that's near I think it's Edwards is out in that direction Edwards Air Force Base. | ||
| Yeah, and they were flying just out of LA. Yeah, yeah, they had stealth bombers or fire overhead. | ||
| I was like holy shit When you see one of those you're like that's from another planet. | ||
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There's no way that's ours It seems so much like a UFO and It's also so big, and it looks like it's going slow. | |
| Because it's so big, you're like, it looks like it's going like this. | ||
| It's just hovering. | ||
| You're like, no, that thing's still going like 400 miles an hour, but it's so big, it doesn't look like it moves. | ||
| It looks so much like a spaceship. | ||
| It was one of those, and it was another different one that's like a dark-colored one that they use to avoid radar. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| How many of them do they have that do that? | ||
| How many different jets do they have that look like a stealth bomber? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think there's only three or four. | ||
| There's not that many. | ||
| I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, we saw two. | ||
| It's a long time ago. | ||
| My memory sucks about this. | ||
| But I do remember seeing the stealth bomber flying going, I feel like this is Star Wars. | ||
| I feel like this is... | ||
| We have a boat built like that too. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And does it do the same thing? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's similar. | ||
| That's the one we saw. | ||
| I think we have like three of them kind of similar built like that. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| That does not look like it's from this world. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| America! | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Look at that though. | ||
| China, Russia could make US stealth tech obsolete. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Well, here's another example of how stupid we are as Americans. | ||
| So that airplane right there costs, what, how many billions of dollars? | ||
| And then it becomes obsolete so fast. | ||
| Then we're building all these supercarriers. | ||
| Yeah, but is that that we're stupid or is that just what happens? | ||
| Isn't that what happens? | ||
| I mean, as technology advances, though? | ||
| But I think it's a failure about how the American mind works. | ||
| We want this really big stuff that can carry really big stuff, and it's super expensive, and it's one. | ||
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Look at that one. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| All of our supercarriers, SR-71, are supercarriers, like the, what is that new one, the Carter? | ||
| And they cost billions and billions, trillion dollars, and the Chinese have the hypersonic carrier busters. | ||
| And so we build this thing for a trillion dollars, and then the Chinese build a hypersonic carrier killer for $100,000. | ||
| They shoot 10 of those at us for a million bucks. | ||
| They just destroyed a trillion-dollar carrier with $100,000. | ||
| Well, isn't that just how technology works, though? | ||
| They're always coming up with better and better solutions. | ||
| We keep going bigger, though. | ||
| And bigger isn't always better. | ||
| Right, but it's a battle, right? | ||
| They don't know that until they do it, and then someone comes up with a better thing, and then they have to come up with a better thing than the better thing. | ||
| Like, make it smaller, make it half, half the size. | ||
| That's the same thing. | ||
| I want the swarm technology. | ||
| Yeah, but what they're trying to do is admirable. | ||
| I mean, they're trying to make a fucking spaceship. | ||
| You know, if someone makes a better spaceship, you're like, okay, well, we'll come up with another spaceship. | ||
| Let's get off a better one. | ||
| I mean, that's how it gets there. | ||
| It doesn't get there like they just sit in a lab and think about it and come up with all the possible counters to this, and so they get paralyzed by analysis. | ||
| But what's more effective, a SEAL Team platoon or a battalion of regular 11 Bravo Army dudes? | ||
| I would imagine a SEAL Team is more effective. | ||
| And it's the same thing with giant carriers. | ||
| The giant carrier, or let's have 10 smaller ones. | ||
| Or have both. | ||
| We're America, goddammit. | ||
| We should have all that shit. | ||
| I wish. | ||
| But then if we start voting on the money... | ||
| We have our own space force. | ||
| Don't we? | ||
| Yeah, kind of. | ||
| Jocko, run for president. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Please, Jocko. | ||
| Jocko and Tulsi Gabbard could fucking win. | ||
| They got together. | ||
| Tulsi is really doing some good stuff. | ||
| Jocko and Tulsi Gabbard could become president and vice president. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I don't know in that order what order it would be. | ||
| I don't know if Jocko's into politics. | ||
| I don't know if he is either. | ||
| I don't think he is. | ||
| That's some sensibility. | ||
| I went through training with Jocko. | ||
| I got some history with him. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He's done some good stuff. | ||
| When did you know that you were a woman? | ||
| Like when in your mind did you know? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Did you know when you were young? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like how young? | ||
| Like for as long as you remember? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| Earliest memories. | ||
| Like what did it feel like? | ||
| What felt different? | ||
| Because this is in a time where it wasn't generally accepted or even discussed. | ||
| It's the early 70s. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| And that's what was so confusing to me was that I was thinking differently. | ||
| I would always look at everything and I would say, you know, that's kind of what I think more like that. | ||
| Or my sisters. | ||
| I would see those sisters and I would see my brother and I'd be like... | ||
| That's more like me. | ||
| And I couldn't do anything like them. | ||
| Otherwise, my football coach, religious father, had a real problem with it. | ||
| So I would always just hide it. | ||
| So, I mean, it was always there. | ||
| And the thing is, like, that's got to be part of the conversation would be, like, when you said, when I think I was a woman. | ||
| So it wasn't... | ||
| I know that a lot of stuff I'm going to talk about on here, a lot of people are going to get angry. | ||
| And I know a lot of people aren't going to believe me or they're going to say that's wrong or that's that. | ||
| And I like that. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| I don't mind. | ||
| Please argue with me. | ||
| Tell me I'm wrong. | ||
| You know, I want to know something better. | ||
| I want to know the truth. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what this is about. | ||
| I do know that humans are strange. | ||
| And I know that things are different. | ||
| It's not always as cut and dry as we say. | ||
| But there is biology and you can't deny biology. | ||
| And so I am a genetic male. | ||
| If I go to a hospital and there's something bad wrong with me and I got to take blood or do anything, they have to work off of a male template or a male foundational data. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So you can't deny that. | ||
| And that's one of the biggest problems I see right now is that a lot of people are denying the genetics of it. | ||
| And you have to admit that men and women are different genetically. | ||
| Men and women are different in biological ways. | ||
| Many. | ||
| Chemical, strength, bone density, so much stuff. | ||
| More people would be on board if that was on the table for discussion. | ||
| But it doesn't seem like it is on the table for discussion. | ||
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It's not. | |
| And that's why I told you a lot of people are going to hate me. | ||
| I'm going to get so much hate mail from this conversation. | ||
| Just don't read it. | ||
| Because I'm being truthful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm saying if half those people would just start telling the truth, then we'd be a lot better off. | ||
| When you see something like the Lea Thomas thing, the swimmer, when you see her winning all these competitions as a female, but then as a male being number 462, does that seem fair to you? | ||
| To answer that question, I'll ask you a question. | ||
| If I was fighting in UFC right now as a woman, would I win? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Are you in good shape? | ||
| Who are you fighting? | ||
| Is there a punching bag around here? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I can still do damage. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| I was trained, and I had a lot of fight training when I was in the SEALs. | ||
| Like, I'm not... | ||
| Like, if I fought men's UFC, they'd kick my ass, like, in two seconds. | ||
| But if I fought UFC women, I would probably win half the rounds right now without no training. | ||
| And I'm cold right now. | ||
| I haven't had training in a while. | ||
| But if I did train up, I would be a champion in a women's division. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| But that's a problem. | ||
| Also, what weight? | ||
| What weight are you? | ||
| 180. Yeah, there's no women in their 180. There's not even a women's division. | ||
| The biggest is... | ||
| I think the PFL is a woman's 155. So shoot, I would be a champion already. | ||
| Yeah, there'd be no one in your division. | ||
| But I just don't think it's right. | ||
| No, it's not right. | ||
| And I think we're denying biology, we're denying chemistry, endocrinology, we're denying all of it. | ||
| I don't mind it if it's voluntary. | ||
| You know who Jermaine Durandamy is? | ||
| Multiple time world Muay Thai champion. | ||
| She was UFC featherweight champion at one point in time. | ||
| She's a fucking assassin. | ||
| But that was the point. | ||
| She fought a dude. | ||
| She had a kickboxing match, I think, with a dude. | ||
| It might have been a boxing match, but either way, she flatlined a dude with a straight right. | ||
| She's a fucking straight killer. | ||
| She's a straight killer. | ||
| I would never want to tell Jermaine Duran to me that she can't fight that guy. | ||
| She can do whatever the fuck she wants. | ||
| She's a badass. | ||
| She wants to take the- Just like, I feel like you should be able to ride a bull. | ||
| You want to ride a bull? | ||
| Go ahead, ride a bull. | ||
| I don't think you should. | ||
| I'd tell you if you're my friend. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What kind of thrill are you going to get out of this? | ||
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You're going to die. | |
| You could fucking die. | ||
| So here's, this dude is swinging hard on Jermaine, right? | ||
| Oh, so it's a boxing match. | ||
| Clearly they have shoes on. | ||
| And he's really trying to take her out. | ||
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Boom! | |
| She cracks him. | ||
| She got it. | ||
| Watch that again, because this dude is teeing off on her, right? | ||
| Look at her. | ||
| She's trying to fire back, but look at this. | ||
| BAM! Look at that right hand. | ||
| Her straight right is a goddamn piston. | ||
| She's a killer. | ||
| She flatlined that dude. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I mean, so I'm 100% for that. | ||
| But what I'm not for is us pretending. | ||
| I'm not for us pretending that someone who's a biological male doesn't have advantages, especially when we're really blurring the lines of, like, how long do you have to be identified as a female for? | ||
| Like, how much hormones do you have to take? | ||
| Yeah, we don't know. | ||
| And people will talk about outliers. | ||
| There are outliers. | ||
| There's a lot of outliers. | ||
| That is a good conversation because there are people like Roy Jones Jr. in his prime who was an outlier. | ||
| He was so fast. | ||
| He had such advantages over the average person just by nature of being born Roy Jones Jr. But we accept that in the spectrum of males. | ||
| But the difference between what you're saying is that the spectrum of males where you, as a person who's not really training, would not be competitive against the males, you still would be against the females. | ||
| Because it crosses over where it puts you in like a journeyman, female, pro-fighter level. | ||
| But here's the rest of the conversation of what I really believe is with Lea Thompson? | ||
| Lea Thomas. | ||
| Lea Thomas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in NCAA and in swimming in NCAA, they have a committee. | ||
| They have rules. | ||
| The NCAA has rules for everything, all sports. | ||
| And pretty much every sport you can think of has a committee or some type of thing. | ||
| The Olympics has a committee. | ||
| Everybody has rules. | ||
| And so if you're talking about competition and you have a rule book, And if that rule allows Leah to compete, then why are you complaining? | ||
| Well, because you have been a biological woman in your whole life, you've worked really hard to get to a position where you get a scholarship, and you get a scholarship based on swimming, and you want to have an amazing academic career, and you keep showing up second place to a biological man. | ||
| And you think that in your mind you should be number one, because against other women, you have dedicated yourself more, you put in more time, you're more focused, but you can't get over that hump of the XY chromosome biological male who's dominant. | ||
| But there's rules in the book. | ||
| So the rules need to change. | ||
| Right, but the question is why are those rules there? | ||
| So they need to work on the rules. | ||
| The rules are there because we want to affirm someone's identity in every possible way. | ||
| We want to affirm them by calling them a woman. | ||
| We don't want to detonate them. | ||
| We don't want to ever question what they are. | ||
| But by doing that, we've gone into Narnia. | ||
| We've gone into this land where we're kind of pretending that there's not advantages. | ||
| Because, no, you're a woman. | ||
| You say you're a woman, you're a woman. | ||
| So you could have a penis. | ||
| You could have functioning testicles. | ||
| You could still be a woman. | ||
| Like, that's the reality of, like, we saw what happened in prison. | ||
| When they put that biological male in women's prison, he impregnated two of the inmates. | ||
| He's out there... | ||
| Slinging dick literally as a woman in a woman's prison. | ||
| It's like we've got that's Narnia. | ||
| Okay, now we're in fantasy land. | ||
| Something's got to give. | ||
| We need to get back to... | ||
| But it seems like we have to get to that level before we're willing to give. | ||
| But I think it's again, it's one of those things where it becomes like people get ideological about what you accept and what you don't accept. | ||
| I feel like, personally, we should accept anything that doesn't hurt other people. | ||
| Like, with what you're doing, whatever you say you want, if that makes you feel better, I'm with you. | ||
| As long as it doesn't hurt anybody else, why would anybody care? | ||
| I don't care at all. | ||
| I just don't want you to use that as an advantage against other people and not admit that it's an advantage, especially in fighting. | ||
| And fighting, that's one that really bothers me. | ||
| Power sports. | ||
| It's not just a power sport. | ||
| The size of your hands is so goddamn important in terms of how hard you can hit. | ||
| It's so important. | ||
| If you look at the big strikers, no one has tiny hands. | ||
| Mike Tyson has fucking mallets. | ||
| George Foreman had some of the biggest fucking... | ||
| They were canned hands. | ||
| They were huge hands. | ||
| You don't grow that. | ||
| If you live your life as a woman and then transition to male, it doesn't work that way. | ||
| Or if you're just biologically female your whole life. | ||
| But if you're a biological male and you're built like Brock Lesnar and then you decide to transition, there is not a woman alive that can stop you. | ||
| They don't exist. | ||
| They never will exist. | ||
| They never will exist. | ||
| If you want to talk about outliers, Brock Lesnar as a woman is the outlier of all outliers and it's too crazy. | ||
| It's never going to be fair. | ||
| Impossible to be fair. | ||
| Well, you just said one of the words that I always talk about also is I want to talk about equality, which is what we're talking about. | ||
| Hey, everybody compete. | ||
| You're not hurting anybody. | ||
| Equality, but you also have to look at fairness. | ||
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So what would you do? | |
| So let's be as equal as we can, let everybody compete as much as we can, at the same time be fair. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| You know, there was a Thailand... | ||
| Nobody wants to talk about that. | ||
| Nobody wants to be honest. | ||
| But you do, and I do. | ||
| So we're going to do this, Kristen. | ||
| We're going to work this out. | ||
| There was a Muay Thai fighter in Thailand, and he started off his career as a he, and then transitioned to be a she, and then when she transitioned to be a she, she decided to get the full operation, and when she got the full operation, she lost all of her testosterone, and she started losing. | ||
| But she still was fighting men. | ||
| Yeah, which is really wild. | ||
| So she went from being this elite assassin kickboxer to all of a sudden the testosterone is completely cut off but continues to engage in fighting because it's what she's good at and is just getting wrecked by dudes, unfortunately. | ||
| It changes the whole game. | ||
| So it does change something, right? | ||
| So we know it does, but does it change enough to compete against women? | ||
| That's the question, especially when it comes to fighting. | ||
| I think as long as you're above board with it and you tell the woman, just like I'm in favor of Jermaine Durandamy's fight, you do whatever you want to do. | ||
| I'm in favor of that. | ||
| But if you want to talk about things like NCAA sports or the Olympics or like... | ||
| We're in a fucking weird area here, kids. | ||
| You're denying science now. | ||
| That's high competition. | ||
| Yeah, it's not just high. | ||
| You're crushing someone's dreams in a way that... | ||
| Let's imagine this. | ||
| If you're a wrestler, and you're an elite wrestler at 134 pounds, and you're a fucking assassin. | ||
| You're out there pinning people, and you're going undefeated. | ||
| You become NCAA Division I national champion, and then you go to the Olympics, and they decide we're not going to have weight classes anymore. | ||
| Because we're body positive. | ||
| We can't be using the scale. | ||
| We're body positive. | ||
| Everybody competes against everybody. | ||
| Well, now you have to go against Corellin. | ||
| So here you are, some 134-pound, really elite wrestler who should be an Olympic gold medalist, and you're going to get your spine snapped in half. | ||
| By a 220-pound monster. | ||
| On his lightest day! | ||
| On his lightest day. | ||
| There's a fucking photo of Corellin that I posted on my Instagram. | ||
| I go, every now and then I look at this photo just to remind myself of what a pussy I am. | ||
| And it's Corellin where he's got his arms wrapped around some guy's waist. | ||
| And he's hoisting him up and it's a black and white photo and he has the most maniacal look in his eyes. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| Because he was just a destroyer of men. | ||
| When Corellin was wrestling, look at that photo. | ||
| Look at that I mean that is get some in physical form. | ||
| We need a giant metal image of that, Jamie. | ||
| We need one of those. | ||
| We need that Corellon photo. | ||
| Please get that. | ||
| A giant metal print. | ||
| Order of print. | ||
| Got it, Jamie? | ||
| That's badass. | ||
| Doesn't that scare the shit out of you? | ||
| He scares the shit out of me. | ||
| Because that's like a fucking 260 pound man. | ||
| Take the most badass woman any that ever lived on earth. | ||
| That ever lived. | ||
| And then have her go against him. | ||
| Yeah, all he has to do is just identify as a woman. | ||
| Well, good luck. | ||
| But if you ever watched him wrestle? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Well, you need to watch this. | ||
| He was so fucking strong that guys would flatten out on the ground to try to lay down and spread themselves out to keep him from hoisting them up in the air. | ||
| And he would just pick them up. | ||
| Watch what he would do. | ||
| And he would do it over and over and over again. | ||
| Watch what he would do. | ||
| Hoist them up in the air and smash them. | ||
| And he kept doing it over and over again. | ||
| So you'd go down and he would pick you up in the air again. | ||
| And just watch this. | ||
| Look at this fucking. | ||
| Everybody went for a ride. | ||
| He just hit you with the earth. | ||
| He was playing a totally different game. | ||
| His game was smash you into the ground. | ||
| Until you give up. | ||
| Your game was wrestling. | ||
| His game is I'm so much bigger than you that I'm going to fucking smash you. | ||
| I'm going to hit you. | ||
| He's playing a different combat sport. | ||
| It's a whole different thing. | ||
| It's impact. | ||
| And look at it, everybody would flatten out. | ||
| They would flatten out to try to avoid being thrown like a fucking bag of potatoes, man. | ||
| He would just pick people up. | ||
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He was so strong. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| And this guy's huge. | ||
| The guy's doing so. | ||
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But this is what he did. | |
| He's picking up a 250 pound dude. | ||
| And watch this. | ||
| He just hoist you. | ||
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Boom! | |
| These guys are just getting crushed! | ||
| He just was like, no, stop! | ||
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He just laid there. | |
| He didn't even try to get up. | ||
| Because he's probably dizzy. | ||
| And he did it to everybody. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| On your fucking head. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Everybody got thrown. | ||
| And he just had pure dominance. | ||
| He was so athletic and so strong. | ||
| And you know, he had small parents. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They called him the experiment. | ||
| That's what the Russians called him. | ||
| Like, I don't know what they did. | ||
| They were doing something. | ||
| But if you looked at his parents, his parents were like regular-sized folks. | ||
| And they had this giant-ass baby that looks like he's from another planet. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| Have you ever met a lot of Russian dudes? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Just like regular people? | ||
| Oh, so many. | ||
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Me too. | |
| I like those guys. | ||
| I love Russians. | ||
| Every time I hang out with the Russians, it's like, dude, you guys are good people. | ||
| There's so many Russian fighters in the UFC. So many guys from Dagestan, so many guys from Russia, so many guys from St. Petersburg. | ||
| There's a bunch of guys that came from there. | ||
| I mean, you want to talk about a part of the world that produces some incredible fighters, man. | ||
| Like Fedor Emelianenko, one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. | ||
| Human to human, every one of them Russians I've ever met was good folks. | ||
| The government is messed up. | ||
| I think we can say the same thing about our government. | ||
| If you meet Americans just one-on-one, you're going to like almost every one of us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Our government's messed up. | ||
| And also, if we had the right attitude, that we're really just a community, and if Republicans met Democrats, just like in a regular setting, we could sit down and have a meal together. | ||
| People could have normal conversations, and that's how we should be. | ||
| Supposed to be. | ||
| Yeah, the polarization is largely unnecessary. | ||
| There's things that we disagree on, but the way that we approach those things is like, our side has to win, and your side is full of shit. | ||
| Like, your side has no point. | ||
| Like, they both kind of have points. | ||
| And I can see the merits of both arguments on almost all issues. | ||
| They're both full of shit, and they both have good points. | ||
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Yes! | |
| And they're both being co-opted by giant businesses. | ||
| And you're pretending you're not? | ||
| You said something earlier about getting rid of the parties. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I have, like, a different approach to it. | ||
| And I said, if we want to fix the polarization in America right now, we could fix it. | ||
| All of us individuals, the people, we could fix all this polarization within one election cycle if every American citizen registered as an independent. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Think about what would happen. | ||
| Yeah, but there's some people that are cultists. | ||
| Oh yeah, those far left, far right. | ||
| You're never going to get those guys. | ||
| But if you can get most of the Americans to register independent, that means that the Democrats and the Republican parties could not count on your vote. | ||
| So they would lose their permanent base. | ||
| It would all have to compete. | ||
| So they couldn't be as extreme as they are because you would lose all those independents. | ||
| So you'd have to kind of like be more careful about what you say and what your policies are. | ||
| Because most of their promises everyone of the politicians made during all their elections, they don't really do them. | ||
| They do all this extreme stuff and all this extreme language, and then to get their vote from their party, then as soon as they get in there, they go middle. | ||
| You know what it's like? | ||
| It's like, you remember Charlie Brown, where Lucy always used to pretend that she's going to hold that football, and right when Charlie Brown goes to kick it, she yanks it away. | ||
| That's American politics. | ||
| That's American politics! | ||
| We're a bunch of Charlie Browns. | ||
| We're suckers. | ||
| We're such suckers. | ||
| We just go to kick that fucking ball. | ||
| Did you ever think about going independent, though? | ||
| What I was talking about? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I voted the last two elections, I voted Libertarian. | ||
| I voted Libertarian and very mixed. | ||
| And it wasn't that I thought the Libertarian had a chance to win. | ||
| It was just like, what are we doing? | ||
| I couldn't vote for them, too. | ||
| I couldn't vote. | ||
| There's so much of it that I was like, what are we doing? | ||
| Like, these are our choices. | ||
| And like, no one's saying anything that That resonates with the way I feel the world is. | ||
| We have real problems in this country, but we always have money for other countries. | ||
| I'm not saying we shouldn't help Ukraine. | ||
| We most certainly should help Ukraine. | ||
| They're being attacked. | ||
| Where's the money to help the inner cities? | ||
| Where's the money to help these fucked up communities that have been this way since the Civil War? | ||
| Where's the money to fix the education system? | ||
| Where's the money just to put some protection in these schools? | ||
| How about the single point entry and having one armed guard? | ||
| Young kids crippled by these fucking student loans that didn't know what they were doing. | ||
| I was reading some article about this lady that's $250,000 in debt. | ||
| Yeah, she'll never pay that off. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| It's like there's a lot of people like that out there that are crippled by student debt. | ||
| Like should we really like saddle them down with that when they're 18? | ||
| They don't even understand the concept of time. | ||
| And they can't even use those degrees. | ||
| You know, there's people that are 65 years old that are getting Social Security and their Social Security is getting docked because they owe money for student loans. | ||
| Student loans are the only loans you always owe, no matter what. | ||
| Even if you go bankrupt. | ||
| If you go bankrupt, you have a lot of credit card debt that goes away. | ||
| Kristen, go bye-bye. | ||
| You have more debt. | ||
| And now it's all for frickin' bullshit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You could do that with those decisions. | ||
| A business can go under. | ||
| Hey, the business went under. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| I can't. | ||
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I don't have anything anymore. | |
| Sorry, guys. | ||
| Can't pay you. | ||
| How many times do those big companies do that? | ||
| They do it all the time. | ||
| But you can't do that on your student loans, which is fucking insane. | ||
| That's totally crazy. | ||
| You're just an individual. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they'd think so many people would just go bankrupt. | ||
| They would go, fuck this. | ||
| I'm just going bankrupt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is not good for anybody. | ||
| And how you can't think that... | ||
| I don't think that education should be necessarily... | ||
| I don't know if it should be free. | ||
| Maybe you should have to put in some effort to get it so that you ensure that people do. | ||
| That's one thing that changed my mind a lot during the pandemic. | ||
| I used to be very pro-universal basic income until I saw how many people didn't want to work. | ||
| As soon as they got COVID money and as soon as they got unemployment, I was like, oh, wait a minute, hold on. | ||
| Maybe these folks that are more pragmatic. | ||
| Half of the COVID relief funds went to fraud stuff. | ||
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A lot of it. | |
| It was like, oh my god. | ||
| Is it really half? | ||
| Millions and millions. | ||
| I think it was more than half. | ||
| Oh my god, that's so crazy. | ||
| When I kept seeing the numbers, it was like, oh my god, it's like half. | ||
| We do have a problem with this generation feeling entitled. | ||
| I've heard people talk about that, that they're entitled. | ||
| Because they talk about what they say is disparagement of wealth, wealth inequality. | ||
| And there, that's right. | ||
| Yeah, there's definitely wealth inequality. | ||
| But then they decide that the billionaires have enough money so none of us should ever have to work. | ||
| And you go, whoa, whoa, whoa! | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| That's not even good for you! | ||
| It's not even good for you, believe it or not. | ||
| If you want to be happy in this life, I think you have to have tasks and you have to try to achieve those tasks and you have to work towards things and you have to do things that challenge you and excite you. | ||
| And whether that's an artistic pursuit or whether that's a physical pursuit, whatever it is, it's my belief, and this is just my opinion, that in order to be happy, you have to occupy yourself with difficult things and enjoyable things and also have a great community of loving people. | ||
| Those are the ways to be happy. | ||
| You don't get happy just by the fucking billionaires giving you money. | ||
| You're gonna be miserable. | ||
| If you just have all the money you need for food and shelter and you don't ever have to work, do you know how many people would just ruin their lives and never do anything and wake up when they're like 70 like, oh my god, I did nothing? | ||
| A lot of people would, man. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| It's a trap with humans. | ||
| You know, humans have some traps that we kind of identified. | ||
| You know what's really interesting? | ||
| My friend Yoni sent me this video. | ||
| Apparently monkeys share in human beings, like, percentages of alcoholics when they're exposed to alcohol. | ||
| It's really similar. | ||
| Oh, dang. | ||
| I never heard that. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| He sent me this thing. | ||
| I'll send it to you, Jamie. | ||
| It's pretty dope. | ||
| But it's monkeys, when they live around resort areas, they steal the drinks that people leave on the tables and the bars and shit. | ||
| And they've been doing it for so long, they become alcoholics. | ||
| These monkeys are running around. | ||
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It's pretty dope. | |
| Drunken monkey's a real thing. | ||
| It is a real thing. | ||
| But what's really interesting is that the monkeys that drink the most are the monkeys that are respected. | ||
| Do you got it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yes, that's it. | ||
| That's exactly it. | ||
| Alcoholic vervet monkeys. | ||
| Weird nature BBC animals on YouTube. | ||
| So these monkeys are just stealing drinks and they're getting hammered. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| But what's weird is the monkeys that get the most fucked up are the monkeys that are the most respected. | ||
| It's like their heroes are the dudes that get smashed. | ||
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Look at them! | |
| They're fucking so hammered! | ||
| It's just like the SEAL teams. | ||
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Look at them! | |
| They just fall down and shit! | ||
| It's really funny, man. | ||
| And in this video, they're constantly breaking glasses. | ||
| They knock glasses over. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| And in these areas where these monkeys live where tourists are, they're just getting fucked up all the time. | ||
| The island of drunk monkeys. | ||
| But they said that some of them realized that alcohol is not for them, and it's a very similar percentage as human beings. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| The ones that are really addicted to it, very similar percentage as human beings. | ||
| But other ones, they only gravitate towards, like, soda. | ||
| Like, they find, like, soft drinks. | ||
| Oh, they figure it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The vast majority are social drinkers who indulge in moderation and only when they're with other monkeys, but never before lunch, and prefer their alcohol to be diluted with fruit juice. | ||
| 15% drink regularly and heavily and prefer their alcohol neat or diluted with water. | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
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Neat! | |
| They're like straight whiskey! | ||
| I'm part of the 5% that way. | ||
| The same proportion drink little or no alcohol. | ||
| 5% are classified as seriously abusive binge drinkers. | ||
| They get drunk, start fights, and consume as much as they can until passing out. | ||
| As with humans, most heavy drinkers are young males, but monkeys of both sexes and all ages like a drink. | ||
| That's exactly us. | ||
| I think I'm into 5% binge jackass drinkers. | ||
| A lot of people are. | ||
| A lot of people are. | ||
| But they think that it's very similar to the numbers that they find in humans. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| It's pretty wild! | ||
| I kind of quit drinking, though, because I found I was a binge drinker. | ||
| So I kind of, like, I drink once in a while. | ||
| I just have one or two. | ||
| The problem with it? | ||
| But I pretty much, like, I cut back way back. | ||
| The problem with drinking is it's fun. | ||
| It's real fun. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| People drink because it's fun. | ||
| Like, the idea of not drinking at all, I'm like, mm, slow down. | ||
| That's why I still do it a little bit when I'm out social. | ||
| I'll have my one or two and still have the fun. | ||
| But I just cut way back from that binge, drunk, pass out. | ||
| Like, I don't do that ever again. | ||
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Good. | |
| You don't want to do that. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I think I was like a young, dumb seal that we took everything to extremes, you know? | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| So I just... | ||
| Super competitive. | ||
| I at last got out of that. | ||
| Super competitive dudes. | ||
| I remember there's times when you're with competitive guys and they get competitive with the drinking too. | ||
| Like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| You can't stop. | ||
| Everything's got to be a shooting competition. | ||
| Me and Andy Stumpf one night, we drank until Andy fell asleep at the bar and I just stood up like this. | ||
| Victory, motherfucker! | ||
| Winner! | ||
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Victory! | |
| He went unconscious at the bar. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, we started at Sushi. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| Andy's great. | ||
| He's an awesome dude. | ||
| So we were talking about, like, the way you felt, the way you felt, where you felt like you were a woman and that this was wrong, like you were in the wrong body or the wrong... | ||
| Something's off. | ||
| But at the same time, I was fighting that I was... | ||
| I didn't feel right, but also in my mind, because of... | ||
| Religion and parental and society and everything else I was being told in the 60s and 70s, I was wrong. | ||
| So I was broken. | ||
| There was no real examples for you to follow back then, right? | ||
| There was zero examples. | ||
| There was nothing. | ||
| And there was no books, no internet. | ||
| What was it, Renee Richards, the tennis player? | ||
| I didn't even know who that was. | ||
| You didn't know about that one? | ||
| But that was a really rare thing. | ||
| I was a kid growing up in the 70s with nothing. | ||
| A black and white TV on a farm and going to church on Wednesdays for Bible study and every Sunday for church. | ||
| Well, in a lot of ways, you're a great example, too, because there's this dialogue, there's this narrative that people are indoctrinated. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was getting at. | ||
| Yeah, and then you clearly were not indoctrinated. | ||
| I was in a bubble. | ||
| I was in a religious form. | ||
| So impossible to be indoctrinated. | ||
| There was zero indoctrination. | ||
| It was the opposite of indoctrinated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was being told all the opposite, and so I was fighting it. | ||
| I was fighting all these feelings because I was like, I'm evil, I'm wrong, I'm not worthy. | ||
| And so all these minds are going through a kid. | ||
| Like, it really messes you up. | ||
| I can only imagine. | ||
| Now, when did you start expressing it outwardly? | ||
| I mean, to anyone else besides just myself in private, like, hiding, like, totally 100% scared, not until I was, like, in college, to one of my sisters. | ||
| So it was very, like, I was scared, man. | ||
| I was, like, I didn't know what was wrong with me. | ||
| I wanted to fix it. | ||
| I was doing everything I could to fight against it and figure out what was wrong with me. | ||
| And so that was, like, I was in philosophy. | ||
| I was in religion. | ||
| I was doing all this stuff. | ||
| Like, even as a high schooler, I was into philosophy. | ||
| I was in all this reading trying to figure out what is wrong with me. | ||
| Can you imagine a kid growing up like that and figuring out biology, religion, philosophy, all of it, and not finding any answers in anything? | ||
| That's where I was. | ||
| Were there any books on other people that were in a similar situation? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no books on it? | ||
| Where would I find that book? | ||
| Right, where would you find that? | ||
| In the 70s? | ||
| I wouldn't even know what word to look up. | ||
| I didn't even know the word. | ||
| So even, like, give me a word. | ||
| So you didn't know that it was a thing? | ||
| No. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I was alone. | ||
| 100% isolated. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I mean, I didn't have sex until I was like 24, because I was scared. | ||
| I didn't know what was going on. | ||
| I didn't do anything. | ||
| I was like, can you imagine a 24-year-old virgin in the seals? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Before I joined the SEALs, I finally did it. | ||
| I think I was 22 or 23 then. | ||
| What drew you to the SEALs? | ||
| For military for me, my grandfather was in World War II. He was in the Navy on a jeep carrier. | ||
| It was one of those gunners shooting down kamikazes. | ||
| My uncle was in Battle of the Bulge in the Army. | ||
| I had cousins and uncles and all of my entire family military. | ||
| And so I always grew up around that military spirit and that kind of thing. | ||
| World War II, we won it! | ||
| It was always like this thing where we're the winners, we're Americans, and we did this. | ||
| And that was how I grew up. | ||
| All my aunts and uncles were all working in the oil fields and all very tough and all that. | ||
| My dad was a football player, was going towards the New York Jets, you know, before he blew his knee out and it all got blown away. | ||
| And it was a big football-working military family. | ||
| And then you got me. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And so what was I going to do? | ||
| From my earliest age, I can remember, I always was, like, focused on the military. | ||
| You know, I was always, like, in, like, the CAMIs and studying military stuff, strategy. | ||
| So you gravitate towards those things as well? | ||
| 100%, yeah. | ||
| Oh, I never graduated or gravitated towards anything feminine. | ||
| Like, I was always trucks and guns and motorcycles, and there was never anything feminine in my life. | ||
| Well, what's fascinating is you're really, really honest, right? | ||
| So when you're talking about this, and it's unquestionably a courageous thing to live your life very publicly the way you do and talk about this, especially as a SEAL. I hate that word courage applied to just being out. | ||
| But just being authentically yourself, no matter what you do, takes courage. | ||
| They do a job because their dad wants them to do it, and they stay in that fucking business until they're resentful and old, and they realize they've fucking wasted their life. | ||
| I don't want that for anybody. | ||
| Whatever it is, whether it's your gender identity, whether it's your occupation, Whether it's where you live. | ||
| You should express yourself and live your life the way you want to live. | ||
| We should all share that, that need to let people be who the fuck they are and to listen to what they're saying. | ||
| So when someone like you, who wasn't living in this world today where people worry about that it's so high profile and there's so much social status attached to it, and there's a lot of discussions about it where it's like in the social zeitgeist in such a strong way. | ||
| But your situation illuminates the very real dilemma that someone has when they're in your spot. | ||
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It's real. | |
| It's very real. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| It has to be real. | ||
| It has to be real. | ||
| Why would you lie? | ||
| Why would you lie about that? | ||
| Why would I go from the SEAL teams retiring and being like that caveman with a big beard Being recruited into three-letter agency-type work and making over $200,000 a year, that's where I was. | ||
| I was at that top level walking into the Pentagon and walking into any agency. | ||
| I had all the badges. | ||
| I had a blue badge. | ||
| I had all the badges. | ||
| And then I went from that to the next day walking in with a dress. | ||
| And I'm losing everything. | ||
| I was making over $200,000 a year, man. | ||
| So did they not want to accept you when you changed? | ||
| They can't legally fire me, but they can stop inviting me to meetings. | ||
| They can stop calling me. | ||
| They can stop inviting me. | ||
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This is what I don't understand. | |
| And after a while, you're just kind of like... | ||
| And I was at that point, I was like, man, I'm running these programs and I'm not getting an email to go to that meeting because it's that... | ||
| It's a very private way to not be prejudiced, but to not invite somebody. | ||
| Do you think that that would happen today? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| That's interesting, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because what year are we talking about? | ||
| So this was 2013. 12-13. | ||
| That's not that long ago. | ||
| It's not very long ago. | ||
| Things have changed a lot in seven, eight years. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The world changed in eight years. | ||
| In many ways, you are a pioneer in that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| When I first came out, it was terrible. | ||
| Nobody was talking about the military having anybody transgender in the military. | ||
| It wasn't even spoken about, really. | ||
| Everybody knew it was there, but it wasn't talked about. | ||
| And then when I came out, the conversation started because I was like, holy cow, how many more transgender people are in the military? | ||
| And so at that point in 2012, it was actually the Secretary of Defense. | ||
| God, who was it? | ||
| Because he was my boss before he became a SecDef. | ||
| And he saw me come out, so he saw everything going on. | ||
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It was, God, why is my memory so bad sometimes? | |
| Weed. | ||
| So he saw it all and then he became Secretary of Defense and so the conversation started at that point in 2014-15. | ||
| When you decided to show up for work wearing a dress, is it because that's official outfit for females? | ||
| No, I mean, at the time I was already retired, and I was wearing a suit and tie. | ||
| I was retired, so I was a suit and tie, civilian, making big money, doing all of my inventions and innovation for the military and Department of Defense. | ||
| So there's no dress code? | ||
| There's no dress code, nothing. | ||
| I was a suit and tie. | ||
| If a woman wanted to wear a suit and tie, she could as well. | ||
| Oh, yeah, could have. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so did you decide to wear a dress to sort of broadcast? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was at the point when I was like, I was tired of, in my own head, all of this internal struggle, this internal battle. | ||
| And just like all of life, everything for us starts in our mind, starts with thought. | ||
| And so this thought has been digging in my brain since I was a kid. | ||
| And I was just tired, you know? | ||
| And so what do I do? | ||
| Do I start trying to live a life where I can make this gnawing Idea stop and start doing it, or do I just keep it gnawing in my head? | ||
| And when you did decide to make the move, did you feel differently? | ||
| Did you feel freer? | ||
| God, when I look back at that day, it was nuts. | ||
| Because there was so much pressure? | ||
| Yeah, I went from that Pentagon, suit and tie, doing my projects, running, making fun calls, having meetings. | ||
| And then the next morning, I went into a nail salon. | ||
| And I dressed, you know, in this gray dress and this ratty, crappy wig and heels for whatever stupid reason. | ||
| I don't wear any heels. | ||
| I don't do that stuff anymore because I was going through as a 40-something-year-old going through puberty. | ||
| Trying to figure out, who am I? I mean, that's what you're supposed to do as a teenager. | ||
| Who am I? And as a teenager, you try to give your teenager as much room as possible to try to figure out who they are during their teenage years. | ||
| You don't want them figuring out when they're 20 because you should be working by now. | ||
| You should be starting your own family. | ||
| If you still don't know who you are by the time you're 25, you have some stuff going on in your head that you need to figure out. | ||
| And so I figure, I'm 40-something years old. | ||
| Trying to figure it out. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it's a mess. | ||
| It's not a good picture. | ||
| It's a 40-something-year-old trying to be a teenager. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're wearing a wig. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so I walked into the nail salon and I said, I want a full set. | ||
| And so that's when they actually scrape it down and they add the nail on there and polish and all that. | ||
| You can't take them off. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And so I'm stuck now. | ||
| And so I did it kind of on purpose because I was like, I'm going to do this. | ||
| And so it's like jumping out of the back of the airplane. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, when you get up to that first jump, free-fall jump, no matter if you're jumping daytime or whatever, it's nighttime because as soon as you go out, you're like cutting your eyes. | ||
| You're like nighttime jump. | ||
| Did anybody have a meeting with you where they talked to you about it? | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Everyone just kept quiet. | ||
| No, I mean, I walked in there, suit and tie, put nails on that morning, and then walked into the Pentagon because I couldn't turn back now. | ||
| I have to be at work. | ||
| I got a meeting. | ||
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Right. | |
| So I was walking in there and going, well, I'm there now. | ||
| And I walked up to the first entrance to the Pentagon, which you have to go through a few different badges for me because I had to go into the deep stuff. | ||
| So I walk into the first gate out there by the metro and show my badge, and the guy's looking at it, and he's going... | ||
| And the guy was, like, seriously looking. | ||
| And I says, yeah, I started out as a dude. | ||
| And the guy was like, it's me. | ||
| And I said, if you need to call in, whatever. | ||
| The guy was like, no, that's cool. | ||
| And he was like, hurry up, go, get past me. | ||
| Then the next guard was the same one. | ||
| Then I finally get to my inner, like, down in the basement where you have the outside door. | ||
| Then you have somebody behind there with a guard, and that's the inside door. | ||
| And you have one more door. | ||
| So all these doors I'm going through, I'm having to see people I see every day, and now I'm looking all like, that was the most nerve-wracking. | ||
| When you talk about courage, and I don't like using that word for just showing up, I think courage is like way more than just showing up. | ||
| That's why I didn't like it applied to, what's her name, who's the famous one, Jenner. | ||
| When they start talking about the Courage Award and all this, I go, no, that's not courage. | ||
| That's just me finally... | ||
| Well, you could speak to that because you're a seal. | ||
| Living my life. | ||
| I'm just living. | ||
| So for me, just to show up is not courage. | ||
| For me to show up and then do something courageous would be courage. | ||
| That's why I don't like that word. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
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I just showed up. | |
| But you're uniquely qualified to judge that word from being a seal. | ||
| That gives you a unique... | ||
| I mean, there's no doubt seals are courageous. | ||
| It's like the word hero. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just, I'd be really careful when I use the word hero. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Heroes reserved for all of my buddies that we were remembering yesterday during Memorial Day. | ||
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Right. | |
| Those are heroes. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| Also Johnny Depp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, Johnny Depp is definitely a hero. | ||
| Damn, that freaking, that whole, that whole jury, the whole thing is just a, it's a clown show. | ||
| It's a clown show. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Dude! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Clown show, for sure. | ||
| But I just, yeah. | ||
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But, That coming out was the most strange day ever. | |
| I can't imagine. | ||
| I was getting phone calls from Bill Shepard called me up. | ||
| The astronaut, Bill Shepard, was my direct boss. | ||
| What does he say to you? | ||
| He called up and says, are you okay? | ||
| That was the first thing he asked was, hey, Chris, are you okay? | ||
| Actually, he always says, chief. | ||
| Chief, are you okay? | ||
| I was going, yes, sir, I'm fine. | ||
| And he was like, okay, so what's going on? | ||
| Because he had all the calls because everybody knows that he was one of my bosses and he was like a mentor. | ||
| He's awesome, man. | ||
| He's one of the greatest SEALs that I've ever worked with because he's so open-minded and so inquisitive and so like, that guy's a thinker. | ||
| Is there a fear that they have when someone does something like that? | ||
| Were they worried that maybe you from combat duty had some sort of serious mental issue? | ||
| Like I had a huge break or something. | ||
| And as soon as they talked to me for five minutes, they're like, all right, well, it wasn't that. | ||
| So what is it? | ||
| And so I had to talk him through it. | ||
| I had to say, this is something I've been dealing with since I was a kid, and I'm trying to figure it out. | ||
| And I said, I don't know what the right path is. | ||
| I don't know if I'm doing the right thing or if I'm doing the wrong thing. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But I have to do something because this thing has been gnawing at my head since I was a kid. | ||
| And it didn't affect the way you did your job. | ||
| No. | ||
| So why didn't they eventually just accept it? | ||
| It was probably 70% my fault. | ||
| Because as you're going through this thing, you're not in your right mind because you're still thinking about a lot of other stuff. | ||
| You have all this other stuff going on. | ||
| And I'm going to say, and like I said before, I'm going to be honest and I never want to beat around. | ||
| I want you to have all the facts because then you can make a better decision about me. | ||
| And maybe carry your decision about me onto other people dealing with the same thing. | ||
| When you're dealing with this, it's always on your mind. | ||
| It's never off of your mind. | ||
| It distracted you and maybe diminished your ability to do your work? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And I can admit that I was definitely not doing the work that I could have done. | ||
| Let me ask you this, though. | ||
| If you were supported and if they said, you know, hey, Chris, Kristen is better. | ||
| Let's go with Kristen. | ||
| Does that make you happy? | ||
| And we love you. | ||
| We accept you. | ||
| We think you do great work. | ||
| Without it being easier, maybe you wouldn't have had all this shit on your mind because you felt like, hey, these people that believe in me and I've been a colleague of them for years, they just accept this as just a new thing. | ||
| Maybe it would have relaxed you. | ||
| It would have helped a lot. | ||
| I did have that support from my direct leadership and a few other people, but you can't control everyone else. | ||
| You can never control how somebody thinks. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I don't want to. | ||
| I can also don't want to... | ||
| Change the way they think too much about all this too fast. | ||
| And so the problem was because I was one of the first people in that arena of special operations or the high-level agency stuff. | ||
| I was definitely a guinea pig. | ||
| And so I didn't do it right all the way, and neither did they, though. | ||
| That's very honest to you. | ||
| I was getting less calls. | ||
| I was missing meetings. | ||
| And I wasn't fully in it. | ||
| And so it was a combination of being super new at it. | ||
| They didn't know how to handle it. | ||
| I didn't know how to handle it either. | ||
| So all those issues, I was in the wrong place. | ||
| I really appreciate that. | ||
| I really appreciate that you have that honesty because I think this is such a unique window into someone who's experiencing this that for you to be very honest about how it affected the way you did your job, I think that's really important and I commend you for that. | ||
| I think it's really cool. | ||
| We're never going to get to anything like a good solution to any of this because this is an issue with humanity. | ||
| Just like we said earlier, this is real. | ||
| I was really going through it. | ||
| I grew up in an environment where I was not indoctrinated. | ||
| I didn't know what was going on. | ||
| And I'm still doing this. | ||
| Well, you know, we talked about the Heoka earlier. | ||
| That was also a thing in the Lakota people that they had a third gender. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then they praised those people because they had traits of both and they could see into both sides. | ||
| So they could see how a woman would look at it and they could see how a man would look at it. | ||
| And they valued them for their wisdom in that regard, that they had a unique vision. | ||
| And I really think that's where I'm coming in. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I do it right now if I have couples. | ||
| I'm right now doing my master's degree, graduate school in mental health counseling. | ||
| And so I've been studying tons of psychology and all this mental health stuff and human development from You know, birth, fruit, everything. | ||
| I've been studying this stuff like hardcore now for almost three years. | ||
| Just stop and think about people that were Lakotas living on the plains in the 1700s. | ||
| Why would they invent something like that? | ||
| They were barely getting by. | ||
| Because it was real. | ||
| Yeah, it was real. | ||
| I mean, if there's a better test case, please show it to me. | ||
| If you want to have the clearest example that people were literally, they were hunters and gatherers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it was the hardest fucking life you could live. | ||
| And then you had one Heoka. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And it's that small of a number. | ||
| And you had transgender people as well. | ||
| And that transgender person was a Heoka. | ||
| You know, most of them fell into that medicine person area because I knew... | ||
| And that's why I said, I'm in mental health counseling right now and I'm trying really hard to figure this out. | ||
| Because I do think that when I have couples therapy, I have people come in, I can really dig into... | ||
| The psyche of the male perspective and a female perspective. | ||
| And when I talk to them, I say, what about this? | ||
| And then they both go, that's what we were thinking about because I can bring it all together. | ||
| That totally makes sense. | ||
| I mean, there's obviously a spectrum when it comes to all sorts of issues with human beings. | ||
| Why wouldn't there be a spectrum when it comes to that? | ||
| Why wouldn't there be some people that sort of identify more in a feminine side but also understand the masculine side? | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| Because it's real. | ||
| It should be just something that people just accept. | ||
| I think the things like the swimming issue and the sports issue in the Olympics, that's one of the dividing things. | ||
| It's a sidetrack, but unfortunately it puts a wedge into what should be Live your life like you want to live your life, as long as it's not hurting anybody. | ||
| As long as it's good for you, that's what you like, good. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| That's how we really should treat all of it. | ||
| And I feel like, unfortunately, when it comes to things like sports, where people are like, hey, hey, hey, now you're getting ideology in the way of fairness, in the way of real equality, like the equality that a woman has to be able to pursue athletics against other women. | ||
| Things are getting squirrely. | ||
| Well, think of it like this. | ||
| What was the dude's name at Ressler? | ||
| Corellin. | ||
| Corellin. | ||
| So, that dude was born to do what he's doing. | ||
| Eh, he might have been in the lab. | ||
| That guy was... | ||
| Might have been some lab work. | ||
| He was the experiment. | ||
| Well, see if you can find his parents. | ||
| Show Corellin next to his parents. | ||
| You need to see this. | ||
| Professional football players, professional hockey. | ||
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| All these people who are at the highest levels of their sport. | ||
| Super athletes. | ||
| Or hockey. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have all the people who are at the highest level of their intellectual capacity. | ||
| People are born with gifts. | ||
| And why couldn't we look at what I'm going through as a gift of Heyoka? | ||
| It's a gift that after I graduate with a degree in mental health counseling, I'm able to start counseling people. | ||
| Can't you look at this as a gift that I can see it from all these different perspectives and sides? | ||
| And I can really help people. | ||
| There's a natural tendency that people have to pick on people that are different. | ||
| That's a natural tendency. | ||
| And most of it comes from insecurity. | ||
| It comes from You don't ever want to be the person that gets picked on, so when you see an opportunity to pick on someone, especially when you see young kids in the playground, that's what they do, right? | ||
| They find the one boy who's weird and they pick on him. | ||
| It's totally... | ||
| If we could figure out a way to show how pathetic that really is and how bad that is, and it's like the only reason why you're doing it is because you're insecure. | ||
| If you were really secure, you wouldn't want to do that. | ||
| You'd want to protect that person and go, come on, leave them alone. | ||
| What do you give a shit? | ||
| What's the problem here? | ||
| But that's the problem. | ||
| The problem is these people that are really afraid of their own masculinity or whether or not it's solid or whether or not they're respected or whether they're insecure. | ||
| So they see someone who seems to be more insecure than them and they attack it. | ||
| Chickens do that, man. | ||
| It's a pecking order. | ||
| Dogs do that. | ||
| Dogs do that. | ||
| When they find a cowardly dog, they'll bite that dog. | ||
| They'll chase him and growl at him. | ||
| It's a horrible tendency in nature to try to find someone that they can exert their will over. | ||
| Is that part of, like, survival of species? | ||
| It probably is. | ||
| Like, with the dogs? | ||
| It probably is. | ||
| A dog will pick on that weak dog to kill it? | ||
| Wolves do it. | ||
| Because you don't want that dog to interbreed with the rest of it because then the whole species is weaker because now you don't have a weak link. | ||
| Well, you could say that dogs have been affected by human beings because they most certainly have, right? | ||
| I mean, you have a German Shepherd. | ||
| Is that a German Shepherd? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That German Shepherd is obviously a dog that is, like, highly trained. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Highly selected for breeding and it's super intelligent. | ||
| Like you'd see that dog walks in. | ||
| That dog is like scanning the area. | ||
| That's not like my dog. | ||
| My dog is like, hi, I'm your friend. | ||
| Totally different kind of dog. | ||
| But a wolf has not been affected by people. | ||
| A wolf is just a fucking wolf. | ||
| And wolves do it. | ||
| They attack the beta wolves, they kill them. | ||
| They drive them out of the wolf pack. | ||
| If they think they're not doing their job, they get rid of them. | ||
| If they have some bitch-ass wolf that lays back and doesn't join the hunt, they get rid of them. | ||
| We used to do that, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We don't do it anymore. | ||
| But the thing is, sometimes the guy who doesn't want to get in the hunt, who lays back, can figure out how to make an airplane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or can develop a computer chip. | ||
| Because we're critical thinkers. | ||
| Some people aren't meant to be physically courageous and badasses. | ||
| Some people are meant to be coders. | ||
| They are fascinated by computer languages. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're fascinated by technology and innovation and trying to find better solutions to things. | ||
| That's their arena. | ||
| But that computer guy, you're not going to try to make him equalized somehow, like Bergeron? | ||
| We're going to have him as a professional football player? | ||
| Well, you could try. | ||
| Think about football. | ||
| It's like you're going to get killed. | ||
| But a person like me, if we were in the old days those intellectual, spiritual guides or those people who had that knowledge because we could see it from all these different sides, why can't we just say that's my position as the archetypes, the Joseph Campbell archetypes, the Carl Jung? | ||
| If you look into the actual who we are as people and you look at all those archetypes, And we study them, and we say, this is who we are. | ||
| You can fall into any one of these categories. | ||
| Why don't kids learn that at a younger age to know that this is a necessary thing? | ||
| Like, if you're being a bully because you're picking on that nerd, and we need that chemistry computer nerd, because that's where they fall into the hierarchy of who we are as people. | ||
| It's a necessary thing. | ||
| I really believe that who I am, Hayoka, is a necessary archetype of humanity. | ||
| You need the sacred clowns. | ||
| If you don't have those heoka and sacred counts and styles and all those history, intellectual, challenging things, that I want the truth. | ||
| And I'm going to challenge you to figure out the truth. | ||
| And right now we're not doing that because we're so stuck on these freaking stereotypes that I'm this and you have to respect my gender. | ||
| I said, I don't want you to respect my gender. | ||
| I want you to respect the ability for me to critically think and intellectually look at this from all these different sides and tell you that this is what I find is the truth. | ||
| This is an objective truth. | ||
| And not a subjective truth. | ||
| I think we mix up subjectivity and objectivity. | ||
| Everybody is subjective and relative in these current days, this current era that we're living in. | ||
| There is no objectivity. | ||
| Everything is subjective. | ||
| And if everything is subjective, nothing is true. | ||
| Well, some things are true. | ||
| If everything's subjective... | ||
| Oh yeah, it does. | ||
| That's not really subjective. | ||
| But it doesn't hurt me as much as it would hurt you. | ||
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Really? | |
| Because I have a thicker skull. | ||
| You have a thicker skull than me? | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| There's some things that I'm going to let slide, but I don't know about that one. | ||
| But the thing is, like... | ||
| The way the current generation is, this younger generation, this new generation of people, don't look at it the way me and you look at it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They look at things so different. | ||
| But I think they're also more open-minded. | ||
| I think in some ways they're more accepting of things. | ||
| So in some ways it's better. | ||
| But I think there's all sorts of issues. | ||
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They're less inclusive though. | |
| Maybe not. | ||
| I think it's a fear-based thing. | ||
| I think they submit to the will of their tribe, they accept an ideology, and they push it with all sorts of aggression on both sides. | ||
| Both sides do. | ||
| You know, when people want to only look at transgenderism as a mental illness, like, well, you're pushing it the other way, just as crazy. | ||
| Like, that's crazy, too. | ||
| Like, you tell me it's a mental illness. | ||
| Why? | ||
| If it makes them actually happy, how is it an illness? | ||
| How do we not know that people have different ways, like some people love music that I think is dog shit, right? | ||
| So what is happening? | ||
| What is happening when they hear that music and they love it? | ||
| There's something that, I cannot deny their love of this thing. | ||
| They think things differently. | ||
| People like all sorts of different clothes that other people don't like. | ||
| They're attracted to different ways of life. | ||
| They're attracted to different ways of communicating. | ||
| Why wouldn't they be varied in their gender? | ||
| It only makes sense. | ||
| And why can't we respect that? | ||
| Why can't we just leave people the fuck alone? | ||
| Libertarian. | ||
| Yeah, not just that, but support it. | ||
| I support you. | ||
| Live your life. | ||
| I want you to live your life. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| That's what we need to concentrate on more than anything. | ||
| And then once we do that, we realize we don't have nearly as many enemies as we think we do. | ||
| Most people are good people. | ||
| That's the only way we could ever exist on a highway or in fucking cities and streets. | ||
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I think so. | |
| If everybody was bad, we'd be just murdering everybody. | ||
| It would be chaos. | ||
| We'd be in bloodbath in the streets. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| Generally, most people get along fine. | ||
| Like today, we just met. | ||
| Just met your girlfriend. | ||
| You met Mercy. | ||
| You met Phil. | ||
| You met all these people. | ||
| Everybody's friendly. | ||
| Everybody's great. | ||
| Isn't that most of life? | ||
| That's most of life. | ||
| Just like we were talking about the Russians earlier. | ||
| Almost all the Russian dudes I met one on one. | ||
| They're all good dudes. | ||
| Yeah, the idea that we're gonna fucking go to war with these guys, like, why? | ||
| I bet we'd like to drink with them. | ||
| I bet they'd be fun guys. | ||
| It's like, the thing that separates us is groups. | ||
| Like, the idea that we're in the American group versus the Russian group. | ||
| Like, one day, I think, what technology, what they're probably scared of, what they really want to avoid, is that there will be no boundaries. | ||
| Between physical experiences, languages, you could be able to travel wherever you want, money will be decentralized, they'll have no control over people anymore, and then people will govern based on what's good for people. | ||
| And they'll figure that out. | ||
| But it might take a thousand years. | ||
| I hope not. | ||
| I don't I hope not too but I I think that we have to get to a point where we just realize that a lot of our Tendencies towards aggressive behavior towards people with opposing viewpoints is a tribal thing And it's a natural part of human behavior characteristics that exist in primates and it's not good Yeah, and there's ways to get around it and there's ways But it takes a long road and when someone gets through it like you or someone gets through it like someone else that might be exemplary and | ||
| You could see how they can give you some insight as to their struggle and maybe we can all take that into consideration and just treat people a little nicer. | ||
| Just be cool. | ||
| Yeah, just be fucking cool. | ||
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That's possible. | |
| I like the tribes. | ||
| What was that one book that a guy wrote about the tribes in the beginning and really like nailed it down? | ||
| Which guy? | ||
| No, that's tribe, but that's really more about war. | ||
| There was a book that really went into the tribes and why we do it as humans. | ||
| And I believe it. | ||
| Tribes are important. | ||
| We need these tribes. | ||
| Was it Sapiens? | ||
| Was that Novo Yuval Haraldi's? | ||
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No. | |
| If I can remember the name of the book. | ||
| By the way, that guy gets misquoted, left it right now. | ||
| Everybody thinks he's like some evil Satanist. | ||
| Nietzsche gets quoted all wrong. | ||
| Tribes. | ||
| Seth Godin, is that it? | ||
| Tribes, we need you to lead us. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Zach White. | ||
| Which one is it? | ||
| Sebastian Younger. | ||
| Oh, Sebastian Younger tribe. | ||
| Okay, yeah, that is. | ||
| So that was like one of the first ones that really liked it. | ||
| I've had Sebastian on a few times. | ||
| So he's good. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| He's a fascinating guy. | ||
| Yeah, amazing. | ||
| Jordan Peterson, I freaking love that guy too. | ||
| Sebastian is so real. | ||
| Obviously when he filmed Restrepo, he's been involved in reporting from a lot of very hostile and dangerous places. | ||
| He's seen a lot of things. | ||
| His insight into the camaraderie that soldiers share with each other is so unique. | ||
| And that book really does a fantastic job of highlighting that and expressing that this is like a natural part of people. | ||
| And that we have so much history of that kind of life. | ||
| Like there's more history of people being at war than there is people not being at war. | ||
| There's zero history of that. | ||
| I don't think we've ever seen humanity. | ||
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It's just crazy. | |
| We're nuts. | ||
| I mean, we don't want to look at that, but if you really objectively look at what happens when you go tribal, that's what happens. | ||
| You get to this fucking point where you have to be at war. | ||
| Everybody's at war with everybody else. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All throughout history. | ||
| There's not one time in history where everybody just says, hey, let's be cool. | ||
| That's pretty sad. | ||
| That might be possible, though. | ||
| But I think it's only going to be possible if we stop being people. | ||
| And I think that's inevitable anyway. | ||
| I think we're going to become the next thing. | ||
| It's an agreeable truth that tribes will always exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But how do we get the tribes... | ||
| Not necessarily, though. | ||
| I think there could be a tribe of Earth. | ||
| But it's got to get to... | ||
| We need the aliens, though. | ||
| We're going to become them. | ||
| I think that's what's going to happen. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Something's going to happen. | ||
| I think that's what's happening with, I mean, if you look at, there's a real problem with humans right now with contamination from plastic. | ||
| And that was highlighted by this woman, Dr. Shanna Swan, who wrote this book Countdown, which is terrifying. | ||
| Was she the one that found in microplastics on both sides of the womb? | ||
| I don't know if she's the one who found that, but she's the one who did the studies on phthalates. | ||
| Phthalates are chemicals that come from plastics that are directly attributed to a changing of the child in the womb. | ||
| So when the mother has a lot of phthalates in her system, it shrinks the penis size, shrinks the testicle size, shrinks sperm counts. | ||
| And there's like a direct correlation. | ||
| Her research highlights, and she's legit. | ||
| Is she from Harvard? | ||
| Where is she from? | ||
| She's a brilliant lady and really fun. | ||
| Really fun lady. | ||
| She's hilarious. | ||
| She talks about the reduction in sperm counts. | ||
| So on her Instagram page, she has a thing called the jizz quiz. | ||
| So she makes it fun. | ||
| She's a fun lady. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| But she's also a brilliant scientist. | ||
| There she is. | ||
| Okay, she's one of the world's leading environmental and reproductive epidemiologists and a professor of environmental medicine and public health at the Icahan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City. | ||
| And where'd she get her education from? | ||
| Either way. | ||
| So they were finding those microplastics on both sides of the wall in a room. | ||
| They were finding the microplastics in the fetus and in the mother in really large quantities. | ||
| The book is terrifying, by the way. | ||
| It's a terrifying book. | ||
| Because it's essentially saying that we're going to become those aliens. | ||
| We're going to be these genderless, weird bodies with no testosterone. | ||
| It seems like there's a reduction in testosterone that's apparent because of these plastics. | ||
| But also, just as disturbingly, women seem to have more miscarriages than ever before. | ||
| And they think that that's also correlated to this chemical exposure to plastics. | ||
| To microplastics, yeah. | ||
| We found out we did it we were talking about the other day like we're guessing because we remembered that a Certain amount of time passes and you've eaten a credit card where the plastic Jamie thought it was a year. | ||
| I thought it was a month It's a fucking week one week one week are you kidding every week? | ||
| The average human being it's a credit card sized piece of plastic because you consume so many microplastics and so many different things and We're just, and it's in our bloodstream. | ||
| And it's also, it does all sorts of weird stuff to your hormones. | ||
| It's terrible for you. | ||
| And it's inevitable. | ||
| Like, we're all eating it. | ||
| Yeah, we all do it. | ||
| And it's like, we're all drinking water out of water bottles and heating things up in microwaves that are covered in plastic and all that shit is leaking into food. | ||
| And this woman is saying like, hey, this is new data. | ||
| And I believe, was it 2013 when they published that, Jamie? | ||
| Do you remember what it was? | ||
| 2015, maybe? | ||
| That's craziness. | ||
| The phthalates study where they finally realized that they could make a direct correlation in mammals, and then also they could see it in human beings. | ||
| But in mammals, they know that if you introduce phthalates into the woman when she has a baby, 2009. So in 2009, they figured this out. | ||
| And so that's not that long ago, man. | ||
| You know, 13 years ago, they're just going, holy shit. | ||
| We're messing ourselves up. | ||
| We're fucked because there's a direct correlation between the introduction of petrochemical products and these phthalates and then this decrease in penis size, decrease in taint size. | ||
| Your taint shrinks up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| One of the best ways to determine a male versus female in like a baby, mammal, is the size of the taint. | ||
| Male's taint is 50 to 100% larger than the females. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So when their taints are shrinking on the males and the penises are shrinking and the balls are shrinking and they find phthalates, they're like, oh my god. | ||
| Something's going on. | ||
| So you think about what society is, right? | ||
| It's filled with plastic. | ||
| The more technologically advanced we get, the more we have plastic this and plastic that and microchips and silicon that. | ||
| That stuff's getting into our bodies, and that stuff is making us become genderless. | ||
| We're slowly but surely going to become that weird fucking alien with the big head and no genitals. | ||
| We're going to turn into a bunch of Barbie dolls. | ||
| Seeing through walls and reading each other's minds. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| I can't read thoughts. | ||
| I mean, that's probably our future. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| So I think the thing about people being accepting now is good, but they're not accepting of other people's opinions. | ||
| There's a desire today to shut down other people's opinions. | ||
| Do you identify as conservative? | ||
| Who would you say your political leanings are? | ||
| Libertarian. | ||
| Libertarian. | ||
| I'm 100% independent in the fact that I never vote along party lines. | ||
| I don't care what party you are. | ||
| I would look at the person. | ||
| Are they honest and have some integrity? | ||
| And what's their voting record? | ||
| You know, what are their policies? | ||
| And that's who I vote on. | ||
| And I think that's one of the problems we have in America is people just stick to the parties. | ||
| It's like the party isn't always right. | ||
| It's not always the best candidate. | ||
| I don't vote parties. | ||
| If they identify as conservative... | ||
| They take a rash of shit. | ||
| Isn't that that old expression? | ||
| Find me a young man who's a conservative and I'll find you a man without a heart. | ||
| Find me an old man who's a liberal and I'll find you a man without a brain. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| But I don't think that's real either. | ||
| So you could be liberal, but you've got to be a pragmatist. | ||
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You can be both. | |
| I'm liberal in a lot of ways, but I'm very conservative when it comes to fiscal responsibility and actual individual responsibility and accountability. | ||
| I think that's one of the big problems we have also is that nobody's responsible for anything. | ||
| Nobody's accountable. | ||
| It's not my fault, it's their fault. | ||
| The life that you lived where you were a SEAL is all about accountability. | ||
| 100% accountability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like Jocko says, extreme ownership. | ||
| Yeah, always. | ||
| If I messed up, I'm going to tell you, I messed up. | ||
| And I will pay the consequences. | ||
| That's so contrary to the way... | ||
| If I mess up, punch me in the face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But that takes... | ||
| That's hard. | ||
| That's a hard life. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And a lot of people want that soft, cushy life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, they'd rather be body positive. | ||
| So I still ride a motorcycle in a club, and I still hang around a lot with the clubs and stuff. | ||
| So I was at this other motorcycle club hanging out with these guys, and I did something. | ||
| There was this one area where it was like club members only, but I had something back there that I had to grab. | ||
| And so I poked my head in a little bit. | ||
| I said, hey, can I grab? | ||
| And the guy was like, hey, you're not allowed back here. | ||
| I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Half fucked up, man. | ||
| Whatever I got to do to pay the consequences, you know, go ahead. | ||
| If you got to punch me in the face. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Or punch me in the gut. | ||
| You know, I'll take the punishment if whatever punishment you guys usually... | ||
| What do you give each other? | ||
| And I was like, ah, $25 fine. | ||
| I was like, all right, here you go. | ||
| Oh, that's better. | ||
| But the thing is, it's like... | ||
| That's what you gotta do. | ||
| It's like, if I screwed up, it's like, hey, I messed up, man. | ||
| Yeah, but don't let him punch you. | ||
| What's my payment? | ||
| Yeah, don't ever tell anybody to punch you. | ||
| Don't let him punch you. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| But if he did punch me, he would have broke my jaw. | ||
| Because the dude's like a fucking monster. | ||
| You don't want anybody punching you just for opening the wrong door. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the rules are rules, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I see what you're saying. | ||
| But yeah, accountability. | ||
| It was extreme. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| I was being extreme because I was a little fucked up, too. | ||
| Discipline is something that one of the things that I love about guys like Goggins and Jocko is like they they preach from the altar of discipline and Discipline equals freedom is one of my favorite Jocko quotes And it's such a great quote because it's true if you have discipline you have more freedom you have you get the things done You're also not as haunted. | ||
| Yeah, you know when you when you have discipline and you get stuff done those things don't fuck with your head like I know people that are putting stuff off, and they go, oh, eventually, and that stuff fucks with your head. | ||
| And it's always hanging over your clout. | ||
| Yes, always. | ||
| It's always hanging over. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| Like, when you had this thing where you felt like you were a woman, and you wanted to express that, and it's hanging over your head, and you're not doing it. | ||
| Like, it's probably occupying... | ||
| It's always there, yeah. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With every thought, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like a noise. | ||
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And it takes away. | |
| It takes away a lot. | ||
| Yeah, that's why it's so important for people to be themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, someone who lives a life where they wish they were doing something else, God, that's a torturous existence. | ||
| You can't be in the moment. | ||
| You can never be in the moment. | ||
| Never be in the moment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're always haunted, but it's the only place you can be most effective if you're in the moment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was pretty effective, though, as a seal. | ||
| I mean, I was a good one. | ||
| I did a good job. | ||
| Well, is that so overwhelmingly difficult that, like, it forces you to completely focus on that one thing? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So maybe in some ways it's like a therapy. | ||
| Just like you were saying earlier about people that get all that money and don't work, they're not doing anything. | ||
| So when I was into SEALs and shooting and doing the stuff, I would get into the flow, I'd get into the groove. | ||
| And you've probably been in the flow a few times when you're fighting or you're training. | ||
| And a lot of people don't know what the flow feels like. | ||
| No. | ||
| But if you have that job and you're so dedicated to that job and you're practicing, you get the flow and that's the most in the moment and the most free and the most amazing feeling you ever had when you're in the flow. | ||
| But you only get there through work. | ||
| You only get there through difficult things. | ||
| Through discipline and practice. | ||
| People who meditate a lot. | ||
| And I think those things have to be difficult. | ||
| If you're in the middle of something that's really hard to do, that's one of the things that I really love about archery. | ||
| Archery is difficult. | ||
| So when you're drawn On that bow and you're in position, you can't think of anything else. | ||
| The same thing with pool. | ||
| When you're making a shot and you're playing pool. | ||
| All you're thinking about is making that cue ball collide perfectly with that ball and knock it in the hole. | ||
| It's the same with jiu-jitsu. | ||
| When someone's trying to strangle you, you're not thinking about anything other than getting out of this fucking choke. | ||
| You're not thinking, God, I gotta clean the garage. | ||
| You're getting fucked up. | ||
| You're getting fucked up. | ||
| That's all you can think of. | ||
| And that, in a way, is cleansing. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that in a way, like, any kind of extreme difficult... | ||
| Like, a lot of my friends that do, like, ultra-marathons and shit, they'll tell me that, like, when that's over, they don't have a care in the world. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, that is so hard that everything else is nothing. | ||
| It was, like, every time we finished a mission, we'd all sit around. | ||
| It'd be, like, dawn, because we'd finish always, like, vampire hours. | ||
| We'd finish at 5 a.m. | ||
| or 6 a.m. | ||
| And then we'd all sit around and smoke cigars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sit around a bonfire, smoke cigars, talk about the mission. | ||
| And you probably... | ||
| That was, like, the most... | ||
| You earned that relaxation. | ||
| It was the best. | ||
| That's why I don't smoke cigars anymore, because it kind of does bring up some other memories, and I don't dig it as much. | ||
| But in those days, man, it really was. | ||
| It was a flow. | ||
| This was in my mind, but in the SEALs, when I got in that flow, when you're doing the stuff, I didn't think about anything. | ||
| It was pure SEAL. Yeah, I think a lot of people use very, very difficult pursuits as a form of therapy, as a form of understanding who they are. | ||
| But you find yourself through hard things. | ||
| That's why I like when I would tell people just do something difficult I'm telling I know you don't want to but it's good for you and if you but the problem is also people don't like people telling them what to do so when someone is telling you to do difficult things like fuck you I'm gonna smoke weed and play video games and you think you're being a rebel but you're really fucking yourself over like you really should do whatever you want to do but you should want to do something difficult and Because if you do, you'll be better off. | ||
| Your life will be more interesting. | ||
| There's a part of being a human where we like solving problems and we like getting better at stuff. | ||
| Whether it's getting better at writing, whether it's getting better at playing music, whatever the fuck your thing is. | ||
| Yeah, we like to improve at stuff. | ||
| And why? | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| It doesn't have to make sense. | ||
| Trust that there is a thing that you can do that makes you happier. | ||
| And one of those things is work hard. | ||
| It sounds crazy. | ||
| And physically work hard. | ||
| You need to do something physical, something. | ||
| Whether it's go on hikes, do some push-ups, take a yoga class. | ||
| You need something that makes your body drain itself of extra bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's like hot and cold bass. | ||
| Like Rudy Reyes. | ||
| Did you ever have Rudy Reyes on a show? | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| Dude, it's awesome. | ||
| You gotta try to get him someday. | ||
| What does Rudy Reyes do? | ||
| He's a Marine Corps sniper and he's started a project called Project Blue something... | ||
| Cleaning the ocean up and building reefs. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He's a super athlete. | ||
| He does a lot of meditation and mindfulness. | ||
| The guy's just like, he's a really good, solid, physical, like Goggins, but he also gets really deep into the spiritual and the mindfulness of stuff. | ||
| Well, I'll reach out. | ||
| The dude is a good dude. | ||
| Okay, awesome. | ||
| You really have a good time with him on the show. | ||
| That sounds good. | ||
| And that's something I've been working on a lot also is mindfulness. | ||
| I have a non-profit called Mindful Valor. | ||
| And it's a military non-profit trying to help with this whole thing with the 22 a day and all the other stuff. | ||
| What's 22 a day? | ||
| 22 suicides per day, taking her own life, all the veterans. | ||
| Is 22 a day now? | ||
| I think it's more than that. | ||
| I think they mess with the numbers, but it's a lot. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| When you look at the numbers, I mean, if it was 10 a day, it's still a lot of veterans. | ||
| I know for a fact that, well, I don't know for a fact, I've read it, that more people died in suicides that were veterans than in combat duty in Afghanistan. | ||
| Yes, definitely. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Way more. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But it's something that I've been working on a lot. | ||
| I think it's something that Rudy works on. | ||
| There's Dakota Meyer. | ||
| There's a lot of good veterans out there that are working on projects to try to help other veterans get through this. | ||
| It's the transition from civilian to military. | ||
| It's the transition from a combat mindset to a peace mindset. | ||
| Also, there's a lot going on in our heads that we need to figure out. | ||
| I don't think we've fully figured it out. | ||
| Is there coaching when you get out? | ||
| Is there anybody that gives you any sort of guidelines on how to... | ||
| There is, but it's really hard to find, and I think it's hit and miss, and it's only if you're in that pipeline. | ||
| I think the SEALs and SF guys, I think we have some really good avenues, but I don't think there's a lot for everybody else. | ||
| A friend of mine who is a SEAL told me that SEALs experience PTSD less because they're proactive versus reactive. | ||
| He said the people that experience it the most are the people that are locked down in a place where they're under fire and they feel helpless and they feel trapped and they develop these tendencies more often. | ||
| And he was saying with SEALs, also that they're very high-functioning, very disciplined people who can adapt, that they're a little bit better off at doing it. | ||
| But then there's also physical things. | ||
| Like we were talking about, you know, TBIs. | ||
| Like TBIs absolutely affect... | ||
| I have some bad TBIs. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Most soldiers do. | ||
| Do you know about the Warrior Angel Foundation? | ||
| Have you heard about their work with... | ||
| There's a couple of foundations. | ||
| There's one that was working with TBI specifically where they put all the things on your head. | ||
| Well, Andrew Marr and my friend Dr. Marr Gordon, they put together this foundation. | ||
| A lot of it, they're dealing with the fact that so many veterans come back that have experienced a lot of impacts, whether it's breaches or any IEDs. | ||
| They develop endocrine problems because their pituitary gland gets damaged. | ||
| And so many of these guys are super depressed because their testosterone stopped production. | ||
| I gotta look into that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, their growth hormone, a lot of things, are way off because we find that in fighters, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Football players. | ||
| Yeah, football players. | ||
| The impacts, they destroy your endocrine system. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so they're so sad. | ||
| They're just super depressed. | ||
| And then you're dealing with TBI on top of that and CTE, which is so prevalent in people that you would never expect it in. | ||
| It's one of the things we're finding about fighters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| CTE is super prevalent. | ||
| They just barely start to admit that this exists. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so we need more studies on it. | ||
| We need more information. | ||
| Because the TBI definitely messes me up. | ||
| And my girlfriend will tell you, like, just stuff that she tells me, and I'm like, I don't remember it. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| But it's also that's convenient, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, it's really good. | ||
| I use it sometimes. | ||
| Don't tell her. | ||
| I use it with my wife. | ||
| Baby, I've been hitting the head so much. | ||
| I don't remember shit. | ||
| She's like, motherfucker, I heard your podcast. | ||
| You remember everything. | ||
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TBI. Yeah, it's TBI. It's, I mean... | |
| They say people get TBI from fucking jet skis. | ||
| Mark Gordon was telling me that, you know, you don't realize that just, if you're jet skiing every weekend, your brain is rattling around in your fucking, especially if you, like, I see these crazy dudes on the lake that jump over other people's wakes. | ||
| All that stuff is your brain rattling in your head. | ||
| And you don't think you're getting hit, but your brain thinks you're getting hit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Doesn't know the difference. | ||
| Soccer players get it. | ||
| But the physical stuff, like you said, was like a really big thing. | ||
| And that's what I'm doing with my nonprofit is we do forging. | ||
| So I make knives. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| So I have the forage and anvils and all the stuff. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| And I invite a bunch of veterans in. | ||
| And then we sit there and we make knives. | ||
| Do you sell them? | ||
| I do a little bit. | ||
| Do you have a website or anything? | ||
| The website is mindfulvalor.com. | ||
| Oh, and the knives are on the website as well? | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Basically what I do is I find somebody. | ||
| I say, hey, this is for a non-profit. | ||
| Give me what you think a non-profit would do. | ||
| It's for fundraising. | ||
| And so the entire non-profit, nobody makes salary. | ||
| Nobody makes any money off it. | ||
| If I sell anything, it's to give money 100% back to the non-profit. | ||
| And so that's how I'm doing it. | ||
| I gave one to Rob O'Neill and I gave one to a couple other SEAL team guys. | ||
| Oh nice. | ||
| And then they sent some money in for the non-profit. | ||
| So are you like, do you have like the whole deal where you forge the metal and hammer it down and all that shit? | ||
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Oh shit. | |
| I can show you some videos. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| It's pretty fun. | ||
| There's this kid who sent me a hatchet once, a camp axe. | ||
| It's Hoffman Blacksmith. | ||
| Go to Hoffman Blacksmith. | ||
| Oh, Hoffman. | ||
| I think I have one of his hammers. | ||
| Yeah, he sent me a camp axe. | ||
| It's pretty dope. | ||
| Is it John Hoffman? | ||
| Is it Jay Hoffman something? | ||
| Because I have one of his hammers. | ||
| The guy's awesome. | ||
| We'll find out when Jamie pulls it up. | ||
| But he was a young guy at the time. | ||
| I think he was really early 20s. | ||
| He sent me this a long time ago. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| Hoffman blacksmithing. | ||
| So, Liam Hoffman. | ||
| I have one of his hammers. | ||
| So if you go down, scroll down a little bit, you'll see some videos of him. | ||
| See there he is? | ||
| There's his axes and shit. | ||
| There's videos of him doing it. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| A different guy. | ||
| That's not the same Hoffman. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So they're taking these things and then slamming them in this press and then they hammer them down. | ||
| It's pretty dope, man. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| I love watching people make shit. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| It's so interesting. | ||
| That's what I was in the SEAL teams. | ||
| I was one of the makers. | ||
| So whenever they do all those inventions and all that weird SEAL team new stuff, they'd always bring me in for those inventions and making stuff. | ||
| This is wild shit, man. | ||
| That's how they're getting the hole in the center where the axe handle goes through. | ||
| This is fucking cool. | ||
| It's drifting the hole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I love watching shit like this. | ||
| I mean, this is... | ||
| See, that's what we do. | ||
| It's so satisfying. | ||
| I bring in all those veterans, and then we make a bunch of knives, and we sit there around a bonfire. | ||
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That's dope. | |
| And it usually lasts about two days. | ||
| And then Jim Hoffman, that's the guy I was thinking of. | ||
| Oh, different guy. | ||
| It's got to be so satisfying to do something with a utensil or an item like an axe or whether it's a knife, something you made yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty fucking cool. | ||
| That's really interesting. | ||
| I love watching people create things. | ||
| I think there's something about a human being and creating things that's so satisfying, whether you're making a house or furniture. | ||
| There's a video I watched the other day of some guy making a very small log cabin in the woods. | ||
| Oh yeah, those are awesome. | ||
| It's amazing! | ||
| I'm like, why am I loving this so much? | ||
| I'm loving this guy making a cabin. | ||
| It's like, I think I saw it on Dig, and it said that it was oddly satisfying. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, it is oddly satisfying. | ||
| What is going on with people? | ||
| I was trying to find one of these. | ||
| One of your knives? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was going to show you some of us when we're doing it. | ||
| Do you know Andrew at Half-Faced Blades? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Half Face Blades is a dope company that is also run by Seal. | ||
| And he makes killer kitchen knives, chef's knives, hunting knives. | ||
| He makes really killer shit. | ||
| And it has his Half Face Blades logo on it. | ||
| So here's my girlfriend. | ||
| I'm trying to teach her how to make a knife. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| But that's in my shop. | ||
| That's fucking cool. | ||
| There's something really cool about watching that hot red metal, too. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But I got a bunch of those videos of us doing this. | ||
| You gotta come up for one of the events. | ||
| That sounds interesting. | ||
| Where do you do that? | ||
| Oh, here I'm making a sword. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I have her holding the sword, and now I'm doing the hammer. | ||
| Well, let me ask you this. | ||
| So that's a full-on broadsword. | ||
| That's a bastard sword. | ||
| Big old broadsword. | ||
| It's a cool sword. | ||
| Have you ever watched those videos of the Japanese masters creating samurai swords? | ||
| How are they doing that? | ||
| What is the deal with the folding? | ||
| Why does the folding help? | ||
| Can you tell me that? | ||
| Well, a lot of times when they're folding, they're folding in different types of metal, so they're actually able to do a softer and a harder metal. | ||
| Then you actually sandwich, it's called a... | ||
| I'm messing up that word. | ||
| TBI. So they actually fold a lot of the soft metal into the spine, and then you have the harder metal down more towards where the edge is, because then you can have that hard metal, you can get super, super sharp, but it's very brutal, too. | ||
| Then if you have it sandwiched around... | ||
| I almost had it softer. | ||
| Then it gives you the ability to kind of move and flex. | ||
| So it doesn't break? | ||
| Yeah, it can't break. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to have the soft and then the hard metal just on the edge. | ||
| Then you can't dull it. | ||
| So it's still super sharp. | ||
| That's an argument with broadheads for arrows, too, for archery. | ||
| Because there's some broadheads that they make out of really hard metal, but it breaks when it hits bone, where other bend around the bone. | ||
| Because I'm kind of... | ||
| Yeah, they'll wiggle around the bone. | ||
| And people have started to prefer those. | ||
| Yeah, so I make my skinning knives. | ||
| The skinning knives are a little bit that big. | ||
| It has a blade about that big, real small. | ||
| And so the skinning knife, you want to be super sharp. | ||
| Because you're in the field, you don't want to worry about dulling. | ||
| Even if it hits a bone, you want to be super sharp. | ||
| But if you drop one of my skinning knives, I don't know if I have a concrete, it's going to shatter. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Because what I do is I harden it to such a high Rockwell hardness. | ||
| It's like a 90-something. | ||
| It's crazy hard. | ||
| But it won't dull. | ||
| It's going to be super sharp skin. | ||
| So you just have to be real careful about it. | ||
| Just don't drop it. | ||
| So it's just like those ceramic blades. | ||
| If you drop one of those, it's going to shatter. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So just be careful with your tool and use it for what it's meant for. | ||
| Don't use it as a fighting knife. | ||
| This is only for skinning. | ||
| Now, if I gave you a fighting knife, I would have like an extra thick spine. | ||
| It's like one of the ones I gave Rob O'Neill. | ||
| It's like a camp knife. | ||
| It's not a fighting knife because I made an extra thick spine. | ||
| This thing is heavy. | ||
| It weighs like six pounds. | ||
| But I made it so you can chop wood. | ||
| You can split wood with this thing. | ||
| You can chop a tree down with it. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And you can also cut food. | ||
| Another thing, you can hit the back of the knife to drive through a piece of metal if you want. | ||
| So it's very versatile. | ||
| It's a camp knife. | ||
| It's not made for carrying in the woods or carrying around as a combat knife because it's too heavy for combat. | ||
| So it does a bunch of different things you can do. | ||
| So if you use your tool for what the tool is made for, it's going to be great performance. | ||
| But if you use it for something else, it's probably going to suck. | ||
| Like one of my camp knives, if I gave it to a Marine Corps guy, he'd call it a piece of crap because it's not a fight knife. | ||
| He'd start trying to use a fight knife and switch it around. | ||
| It's too heavy. | ||
| It's clunky. | ||
| It's this and that. | ||
| It's not made for that, dude. | ||
| It's made for chopping trees down. | ||
| It's made for chopping a cable or a piece of metal. | ||
| It's made to screw it up and then resharpen it. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Isn't it interesting how people get so excited about tools? | ||
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Like, we're talking about this and we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We're watching them hammer the axe down. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| There's something about that that's like, it's deeply satisfying to human beings to watch people create tools. | ||
| You know, it probably speaks to our past. | ||
| Our primitive man. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when, you know, there's this guy, J.M. Whitworth, we pulled up his page before. | ||
| He's got a place out here in Texas, and a huge ranch, and they sift through the dirt, and they have this very, like, sophisticated method of finding arrowheads. | ||
| Oh, cool. | ||
| And they found a shit ton of them. | ||
| He sent me a couple of them. | ||
| They're really cool, but they're like these. | ||
| Like, look at this. | ||
| Look at this one right here. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| So these arrowheads that they're finding are amazing. | ||
| And they're all... | ||
| You've got to think how much craftsmanship is involved. | ||
| Look how they found that there. | ||
| How much craftsmanship was involved in making... | ||
| So he finds this in the sift. | ||
| There is so much workmanship in this wonderful piece. | ||
| Look at that one, man. | ||
| Look how delicate that is. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| And look, it's perfect. | ||
| Look how you can see through when he holds it up to the light. | ||
| It kind of makes you wonder, why are there so many out there? | ||
| Well, because the Comanches roamed this land. | ||
| The thing about the hill country, and I found this out originally from reading Empire of the Summer Moon, which is this incredible book about the history of the Texas Plains and the Comanches. | ||
| They roamed this area specifically because there's so much resources with the lake and the river, and the Colorado River goes through. | ||
| It's rich with wildlife. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| A lot of Texas is desert, right? | ||
| A lot of Texas is just flat and there's not a lot out there. | ||
| But here it was so rich with life that they're out here all the time in the hill country. | ||
| So they find a fuckload of their hour heads. | ||
| Because this was like a special place. | ||
| Hunting grounds. | ||
| Yeah, but it's also like so hilly. | ||
| It's so different than any other place in Texas. | ||
| It's very different. | ||
| A lot of Texas is flat, but this is like all these beautiful hills and everything's green. | ||
| It rains all the time. | ||
| And all that shit contributes to wildlife. | ||
| And so it was a rich area for them to settle in. | ||
| You could go out there and find some of that. | ||
| Oh my god, it must be amazing to actually dig into the ground and find one. | ||
| I found one once, man, when I was on a hunting trip in Nevada. | ||
| I found a small piece of an arrowhead and I fucking lost it. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| I put it somewhere and I fucking lost it. | ||
| That's like for the SEAL team guys when we find shark teeth. | ||
| It's like, yeah, good one. | ||
| The crazy thing is when you see a megalodon tooth, you go, what the fuck is that? | ||
| And they're always fossilized, right? | ||
| They're all mineralized, so they're black, and it's this big-ass... | ||
| I keep finding these 20-foot-tall giant skeletons everywhere. | ||
| If that was real, do you really think the Smithsonian would destroy them? | ||
| No, but why aren't there so many news articles on it in all these newspapers? | ||
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Because people are idiots. | |
| They believe in goblins. | ||
| There's probably just as many news articles about witches. | ||
| I was going to say, they're burning witches. | ||
| They just got done. | ||
| There's a giant. | ||
| A few years ago, they were burning witches. | ||
| Now they're writing about giants. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that I think about, I don't always 100% believe, but I do want to look into it, because if it was in the newspapers that many times, there's got to be something. | ||
| I am, yeah. | ||
| I just want to know stuff. | ||
| That's my same feeling about Bigfoot and UFOs. | ||
| My problem is I want them to be real so bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That I don't look at it objectively. | ||
| And what's that bias? | ||
| That's a confirmation bias. | ||
| Yeah, but it's also, it's just you want a very specific thing out of the data. | ||
| And so you look for that. | ||
| And then you argue it. | ||
| But now I fight against that in myself. | ||
| So when I get all balls deep in UFOs, then I have to back off and go, wait a minute, Joe, what are you doing? | ||
| You're believing this because you want it to be real. | ||
| So it's confirmation bias and there's a whole bunch of biases that we do that we want that to be true so bad that we cherry pick the data to make it true. | ||
| Yeah, that's a big one. | ||
| And I know I do that. | ||
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We all do. | |
| I know I have tons of biases and I try not to. | ||
| Again, I commend you on your honesty because we all do. | ||
| And it's important to be able to say that. | ||
| And people don't like the idea of them being incorrect or holding ideas. | ||
| Like I told you about that stupid fucking thing that I was obsessed with for, God, it was at least a year. | ||
| The worms. | ||
| The worms. | ||
| You gotta see this because it's so stupid. | ||
| You gotta laugh at me. | ||
| Find a flying rods. | ||
| One time I was doing this thing for the UFC and I was doing a question and answer thing at one of the weigh-ins. | ||
| And this guy who was the guy who made that documentary waited in fucking line to tell me that his rods thing was real. | ||
| And you're wrong, Joe Rogan. | ||
| They really are out there. | ||
| I'm like, dude! | ||
| They have video that shows the things right next to the same camera that shows no thing. | ||
| It shows bugs. | ||
| They know for a fact that one camera, which is a very fast camera, can see the bugs and catch them in their motion. | ||
| The other one blurs it. | ||
| It's a video artifact. | ||
| That's what they look like. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| Like that, like that right there. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Flying rods? | ||
| Skyfish? | ||
| A moth? | ||
| So you see it in slow motion. | ||
| See how it flies through? | ||
| You'd say, oh my god. | ||
| You would say, there's rods with wings. | ||
| They're flying through the air. | ||
| But no, that's just a video artifact. | ||
| It's a bug with wings. | ||
| And it flies by, and you see it, and you think that it's, you know, an alien. | ||
| It's moving too fast for your eyes. | ||
| I was reading, and I can't remember who made this quote, but he was quoting that, If it was sufficient, high enough technology, it would appear to be magic. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| And so the problem with that technology was it was high enough technology to catch the bug, but only partly caught it so it looked like magic. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But then when you get a higher attack that actually catches the bug, that's like more magic. | ||
| And so what do we have going on right now in the universe that we can't figure out that we are calling magic? | ||
| We're just waiting for the technology to catch up for us to realize what it really is. | ||
| Which is probably what that gravity drive thing is, if Bob Lazar's telling the truth, or if the Tic Tac people are being accurate with what they're seeing. | ||
| That thing that just punches through space and time, that's probably operating in that way, whether it's ours or someone from another dimension or another galaxy or whatever, whatever the fuck it is that's doing that. | ||
| Or the magic of the pyramids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so much stuff out there we still don't know, and I just, I wish science would be more honest with itself. | ||
| I don't think they're being dishonest about the pyramids. | ||
| I mean, they never say. | ||
| We know how they made it. | ||
| They say these people made it, they were highly skilled, and they had incredible ability to align things, and they did it, and they did it 5,000 years ago with fucking no explanation of how they did it. | ||
| How come they're not excavating around them to try to figure out what all the subway tunnels are below the pyramids? | ||
| They're not? | ||
| It seems like they stopped. | ||
| Didn't they stop? | ||
| Well, there's a guy that's in charge of all that stuff down there, this guy Zawi Hawass, and he's very reluctant to accept any alternative theories other than the ones that they've been promoting forever. | ||
| And so Graham Hancock has had issues with him, as has Robert Shock, Dr. Robert Shock from Boston University. | ||
| He was the geologist that examined the Temple of the Sphinx and was saying that there's water erosion here. | ||
| Redoing the Sphinx data. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's the outside. | ||
| The temple of the Sphinx is these giant blocks. | ||
| And these giant blocks, they have real evidence of water erosion. | ||
| But didn't they prove also the Sphinx was so much older than they thought? | ||
| So it changed all the timelines? | ||
| They don't necessarily know. | ||
| But the evidence shows that there is... | ||
| Something that looks exactly like water erosion, according to geologists. | ||
| So they're looking at, like... | ||
| There's people that dispute this, I should say. | ||
| This is very important to say. | ||
| But they don't seem to be... | ||
| There's a denial of the reality of what you're looking at. | ||
| Like, if you look at... | ||
| See if you can pull up a video of water erosion in the Sphinx. | ||
| The images are so interesting because it really does look like what something would look like if water cut through it. | ||
| Like there's a smoothness to it, and it goes in these fissures that look... | ||
| But the last time there was water in the Nile Valley was 9,000 years ago. | ||
| So if that's true, then it has to be thousands of years of water to create this. | ||
| So if Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University, who is a geologist, is correct, that all that erosion is caused by thousands of years of rainfall, which means that thing is way older than they think it is, because that means that those stones were cut somewhere earlier than 9,000 years ago, because it had to be thousands of years of rainfall to create that. | ||
| So because of the fact they know that during that time that there was rainfall, it used to be like a tropical rainforest down there, which is also really interesting, right? | ||
| Like the Sahara Desert. | ||
| It used to be a fucking giant forest. | ||
| It used to be incredible. | ||
| Castles and cities all over. | ||
| Probably, right? | ||
| What about all the pyramids in China? | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's true, too. | ||
| There's a lot of pyramids in China that we can't even look at. | ||
| Well, China itself. | ||
| I mean, think about the fact that they've been around. | ||
| That's one continually operating business. | ||
| It's pretty goddamn impressive. | ||
| Pretty wild. | ||
| What do they have, like 1.4 billion people, and they've been around for How long? | ||
| 6,000 years. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| 50,000 years. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| But there are a lot of pyramids in China that we're not even allowed to look at. | ||
| There's no archaeology. | ||
| There's no digs. | ||
| There's no nothing going on. | ||
| They just shut it down. | ||
| How about when they do these digs and they find like a whole porcelain army? | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| That is wild shit. | ||
| You find thousands of armies- And why would they do that? | ||
| Why did they do that? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| They buried those. | ||
| Doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Chinese ancient pyramids reveal their stunning secrets. | ||
| Fox News, and this is all these- Ah, it's Fox News. | ||
| We can't believe that. | ||
| They're a bunch of liars. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's like these trenches filled with these soldiers that are made out of porcelain. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Look at that, man. | ||
| That is fucking crazy. | ||
| Think about the money and time and manpower. | ||
| Look at how many of them there are. | ||
| Imagine discovering this. | ||
| They must have been like, what the fuck are we looking at? | ||
| And also, why? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Imagine the manpower and the amount of money involved in making just one of those guys. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Look how many of them there are. | ||
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I wonder how they found them the first time. | |
| It's just the history of the human race is so fascinating. | ||
| And Graham Hancock has this amazing saying that I think is pretty accurate. | ||
| He says that we're a species with amnesia. | ||
| And I think there's only so much that we have written down that we can 100% rely on. | ||
| When you get back to like 4,000 years ago, 5,000 years ago, this stuff gets super blurry. | ||
| It's just guessing. | ||
| Does your dog have to pee? | ||
| We've been in here quite a while. | ||
| No, he's good. | ||
| It's pretty cool that you have this dog that's that trained. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| How long have you had him? | ||
| I've had him for about two years. | ||
| He's so well-behaved and so you. | ||
| He's focused on you. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck about me. | ||
| We have a training group that trains all the service dogs like that. | ||
| It's in Florida and it's run by a Purple Heart recipient. | ||
| And so for a lot of the veterans, and if you're a Purple Heart recipient, you get pretty high on the list. | ||
| If you want a service dog, it's another nonprofit. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| I work with a whole bunch of nonprofits. | ||
| They're all veteran-focused. | ||
| And the thing is, I talk to people and I say, hey, who do we donate to? | ||
| You know, Wounded Warrior or is that one of them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's those really big ones. | ||
| I said, don't donate to the big ones. | ||
| I said, what you need to do is you need to find one of the smaller ones in your local area so that you're keeping your donation local and you're giving it to a local charity that you look at and make sure they're A-rated by that group that rates all the nonprofits and make sure it's a small one that their overhead is like they don't pay their employees because we're all nonprofit. | ||
| If you do pay your employees, it's not a $200,000 CEO salary like Wounded Warrior and all those other guys do. | ||
| Find a local nonprofit. | ||
| I said, there's tons of them out there. | ||
| You know, there's that one in Florida that I know of. | ||
| It's called Valor K9. And you have ones called, you know, in New York, there's a bunch of them. | ||
| In San Francisco, you have Plows to, Swords to Plowshares. | ||
| There's so many great small nonprofits within your community, within your city. | ||
| That's who you should give the money to. | ||
| Because they get to those big national ones, all the money goes to overhead, you know? | ||
| It's just like, if you want to help out, you really want to help out veterans, find a local non-profit, you know? | ||
| Don't give me nothing. | ||
| Don't give me a lawyer or anything. | ||
| Find your own that you can support. | ||
| Well, Kristen, we've been doing this for three hours. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| I'm glad we did this. | ||
| It was really cool. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
| What was the really big thing that we wanted to talk about, though, was probably about the transgender athletes. | ||
| We did it. | ||
| We talked about it. | ||
| Was there anything else that was like... | ||
| Listen, we can do this again. | ||
| We can definitely do it again. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
| And I think it's cool for people. | ||
| You have a very unique perspective. | ||
| You know becoming a seal and then transitioning while you're you know in civilian life Working as a contractor and explaining all this is very It's very valuable for people to hear and your honesty like I said really should be commended because it's hard It's hard to be it's hard to just just open yourself up to people like the way you have But I think you've done a lot of people a great justice by doing that because it I think you do I think it really do I think it helps people it also like There's a lot of people that really, | ||
| really respect veterans and really, really respect SEALs. | ||
| And they might be hesitant to accept transgender people. | ||
| So from hearing it from you, they have to respect you as a SEAL. And then they go, well, maybe I'm wrong about this. | ||
| And maybe they'll allow them to be more open-minded. | ||
| And there's no weakness in being open-minded. | ||
| There's strength. | ||
| It's good for everybody. | ||
| And there's no weakness in, like, compromise. | ||
| And I think that's one of the things we have wrong with our politicians right now is none of them will compromise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's just we've got to, like, find ways to, like you said, be cool. | ||
| That's probably the best way to end it. | ||
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Yes! | |
| The best way. | ||
| Hey, come on, man. | ||
| Can you just be cool? | ||
| Tell everybody your social media. | ||
| What's your website? | ||
| What's the best way to get a hold of you or to see your stuff? | ||
| So all of my social media is all the same tag. | ||
| It's Valor4Us, V-A-L-O-R, the number four, U-S. And that's on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook. | ||
| If you find Valor4Us, that's going to be me. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks for doing this. | ||
| I'm glad we did it. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
| And let's do it again. | ||
| After four years, man. | ||
| We're finally here. | ||
| We'll do it again, okay? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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