April 19, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| So, do you know... | ||
| We just... | ||
| Everybody keeps... | ||
| Hello, Jake Shields. | ||
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How's it going, Joe? | |
| Great to be on your show. | ||
| Great to have you. | ||
| For, like, what, 15 years? | ||
| Long fucking time, brother. | ||
| And then, uh... | ||
| Maybe more. | ||
| It might be, like, 20. Yeah, right, 20. I remember seeing your podcast, um... | ||
| When it first started, you were, like, a small little friend show for, like, potheads, fight people, comedians. | ||
| Well, I waited until it got real big to bring you on. | ||
| Yeah, so now... | ||
| Oh, no pressure now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we were talking about this... | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| This COVID documentary that I think is made by the Russians. | ||
| It's definitely true, by the way. | ||
| Watch the water. | ||
| Definitely true. | ||
| So what are they trying to say? | ||
| There's snake venom. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, the... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've just heard this one, by the way. | ||
| Joe just broke this one to me. | ||
| Yeah, someone was saying that it was the mark of the beast. | ||
| Let me read you the byline, and you tell me what you think we're going to watch. | ||
| The plandemic continues, but its origins are still a nefarious mystery. | ||
| How did the world get sick? | ||
| How did COVID really spread? | ||
| How did the satanic elite tell the world about this bioweapon ahead of time? | ||
| Watch. | ||
| This doctor has unveiled a shocking connection between this pandemic and the eternal battle of good and evil which began in the Garden of Eden. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| So that's what it is. | ||
| They were saying that the snake venom... | ||
| So there's a picture of a snake. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So they're saying it's the mark of the beast. | ||
| Yeah, because the snake represents Satan, so literally Satan blood. | ||
| The crazy thing is they've banned this from YouTube. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At what point in time? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| What about fun? | ||
| Yeah, we should be able to watch things about snake blood and the devil's beast. | ||
| I want to watch it now. | ||
| I mean, even if it's ridiculous, come on. | ||
| What about fun? | ||
| Because I think when you pull things like this down from YouTube, it just makes the really nutty people think that there's an even grander conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah, no, trying to fight it makes it seem like there might really be something there. | ||
| Like, it doesn't need to be taken down. | ||
| Especially this is just so ridiculous. | ||
| It's like, come on. | ||
| But the thing is, when you start saying Satan, people start getting real curious. | ||
| Like, maybe, man. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Might be Satan. | ||
| Satan, what is it? | ||
| Kaiser So says? | ||
| Phrase? | ||
| The biggest trick the devil played? | ||
| Just outside of this, if you tried to make one of those infomercials from the 90s and say you had some fake product that could cure this, and you made a 45-minute version of that and put it on YouTube, would they allow that? | ||
| As long as it's not about COVID. The thing is, like, they've cracked down so hard on anything that Is against the COVID narrative. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of crazy how they'll ban even stuff that's true. | ||
| I mean, stuff like this is obviously probably not true, but things that we now know for a fact are true. | ||
| Guys like Alex Bernstein, you've had him on your show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got banned for putting stuff that was true just ahead of the curve. | ||
| 100% true. | ||
| Ahead of the curve. | ||
| If you put it out now, there wouldn't even be a debate about it. | ||
| All the things that he said about masks not working, about how people that are vaccinated can still spread it. | ||
| The problem is that 75% of all television advertising, 75% of it, is from pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you know who owns Twitter? | ||
| Pharmaceutical companies and Vanguard and BlackRock. | ||
| Well, also like the Saudi family, right? | ||
| Isn't that like one of the royal families? | ||
| Because they were tweeting with Elon when Elon was trying to buy it. | ||
| You see Elon's response? | ||
| It was like, oh, hey, so what's Saudi's something like opinion on free speech? | ||
| I'm pretty sure that was a jab at the journalist they chopped up alive in Turkey. | ||
| Yeah, Jamal Khashoggi. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's how I thought of it, at least. | ||
| Did you ever see that documentary, The Dissident? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Dude, it's dark. | ||
| It's Brian Fogel, and he's a brilliant documentary guy who also made Icarus. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| That's the one on the Russians cheating in the Olympics. | ||
| I heard of it. | ||
| I know I need to watch it, but I have not seen that. | ||
| I hear that's really good. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing because it shows how the Russian doping program, how deep it goes. | ||
| It goes... | ||
| There's a lot of strong Russians I've trained with. | ||
| Not saying they're dopey, just gotta be clear about that, but these guys are strong. | ||
| Jake, you started MMA and competition jiu-jitsu in the days where rampant steroid use. | ||
| Yeah, everywhere. | ||
| I mean, it was everywhere. | ||
| Like, in the early days of fighting, like, when you were first, like, what year was your first MMA fight? | ||
| I think 99. 99. Yeah. | ||
| Surprisingly, we were always in the teams that were always, like, not, like, huge anti, but we were just never doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| With Nick, Nate, Gil, all those guys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those are some of the few guys that didn't. | ||
| You know, like in the sport, it's true. | ||
| Most people are doing it. | ||
| It made it hard not to, because you know everyone's doing it, cycling off, and it made it so hard. | ||
| There's definitely less now, but to me, I think there's still some out there. | ||
| You see some of these guys just looking so jacked, such good shape. | ||
| I have no idea what they're doing to beat the test, but it seems like some guys are. | ||
| Well, I mean, obviously there's some genetic freaks, but I think there's also some things that you can get away with. | ||
| I think micro-dosing testosterone you could probably get away with. | ||
| There's probably a bunch of different peptides that are still legal that are effective. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Genetics, but then you'll see a team that has like 10 guys that are all jacked. | ||
| It's like, hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not going to say any teams. | ||
| Well, what's crazy is when USADA came along, how many people melted. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| No, exactly, because they melted, but you look at them now, and now they're blown back up. | ||
| Yeah, they figured it out. | ||
| They've worked out the cycles. | ||
| That's kind of what I think, but I have no inside information, so I'm just speculating. | ||
| Well, the amount of money that's in MMA now is so substantial, and a lot of these teams are backed by, like, really wealthy people, and they bring in fucking chemists. | ||
| Yup, that can stay ahead of the curb. | ||
| That's what I assume is going on, but again, I have just no idea and I would never accuse anyone of juicing without knowing. | ||
| That's a messed up thing to do. | ||
| Have you fucked around with anything? | ||
| Have you tried anything? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Not really is a weird word. | ||
| Well, diuretics. | ||
| I'm getting older now, so I think it might be about time to not competing. | ||
| Are you done competing totally? | ||
| I'd still compete jujitsu, but most likely fighting. | ||
| I mean, if someone offers me a shitload of money for another named guy, I'll do it. | ||
| But I'm not going to fight like some 25-0 Russian that no one's ever heard of if they're trying to build up off of me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When was the last time you fought? | ||
| How many years ago? | ||
| Like three years ago. | ||
| Three years ago. | ||
| Retirement was a- Was that PFL? Yeah. | ||
| Lost in the last fight. | ||
| How was that competing over there? | ||
| I mean, it's good. | ||
| They pay good, but they just don't have the same kind of promo and attention. | ||
| It's just, you know, some of these shows pay better than the UFC for most people, but they don't build the hype. | ||
| So it sucks with fighters sometimes they're looking at, you know, Do I take a pay cut and go in the UFC and get less famous? | ||
| I mean, I had to take a pay cut after I left Strikeforce, but I wanted to fight GSP. So it's like, I wouldn't have been happy with myself if I haven't got it. | ||
| So it sucks to be in a situation to have to take a pay cut, but that's how it goes sometimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of these companies that have to pay a lot of money to get good talent. | ||
| But it's still, it's like, Bellator's the only one that's getting real attention. | ||
| But they're not still getting anywhere near the attention of the UFC, not even close. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, I have this guy, I'm going to corner next week, Patchy Mix. | ||
| Absolute savage, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a 15-0, it's an amateur all-submissions, like 15-1 is a pro, like 13-14 submissions, and like, no one really knows who he is. | ||
| And he's fighting, he's been in a million dollar tournament, so he's getting paid well, but it just sucks that he's not getting the, for how good he is, he's not getting the recognition he deserves. | ||
| So how does that work? | ||
| He gets a million bucks if he wins the tournament? | ||
| Yeah, I think he... | ||
| And he gets paid on top of it, too, his salary, I believe. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So I think it's a million-plus, you know, whatever he is for his fights. | ||
| Did you see Corey Anderson versus Nemkov this past weekend? | ||
| I missed that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It was such a bummer. | ||
| Because, first of all, Nemkov is a beast, but Corey Anderson was working him. | ||
| Corey Anderson was way ahead in the fight. | ||
| He was dominating him on the ground. | ||
| He was taking him down. | ||
| He was doing fantastic in the stand-up. | ||
| And then during the ground and pound, he slipped... | ||
| Like, trying to throw an elbow, I believe, or maybe a punch, and they collided heads. | ||
| Nemkov got a giant gash, and they stopped the fight and made it a no contest. | ||
| So this is the million-dollar fight. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Oh, that was the final one? | ||
| Yeah, that's it, because Nemkov's the champion. | ||
| So are they going to fight again? | ||
| Yes, they have to fight again, but now Nemkov has... | ||
| Two fights for a million dollars. | ||
| Here, watch this again. | ||
| So, just go a little bit before this so you can see, like... | ||
| I'm just trying to find the slow-mo, or here you go. | ||
| Yeah, so he was going to throw an elbow, and he got blocked and, you know, deflected and clashed heads. | ||
| And props to Corey. | ||
| He immediately said, I hit him with my head. | ||
| See, look. | ||
| See, it was just like his arms slipped off, and they collided heads. | ||
| I wouldn't have said anything if I was Corey. | ||
| Well, Corey's a good man. | ||
| Not that you're not. | ||
| But, you know, he just... | ||
| But I still wouldn't say anything. | ||
| He just wanted to be... | ||
| So, Nemcoff's a bad motherfucker, though. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| I mean, he knocked out Ryan Bader. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Corey just was one of those things, man. | ||
| I mean, there's nothing you can do. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Bellator has some great fighters, but... | ||
| They're doing well. | ||
| They're doing well, but they never got the same kind of hype that Strikeforce had when I was talking about the thing. | ||
| Strikeforce was the show, other than Pride, that managed to get some real hype. | ||
| And Elite XC. Remember for a little bit? | ||
| Yeah, they kind of turned into that. | ||
| That's why I didn't mention Elite XC, because Strikeforce bought Elite XC and got their TV deals. | ||
| Wasn't Elite XC on CBS? Yep, they had CBS, and then Strikeforce got that deal. | ||
| So I was fighting on all those shows. | ||
| That was when I was able to get some hype outside the UFC. That was a good time period. | ||
| That was the, sometimes these things happen in MMA, when the brawl broke out between Mayhem and you guys? | ||
| Yeah, it was after I beat Henderson. | ||
| We went out there, and then Mayhem jumped over the cage, started talking crap, and we just... | ||
| Beat the hell out of him. | ||
| In his defense, he never complained about it, took his beating like a man. | ||
| He's crazy, but... | ||
| That was just when Gus Johnson said, sometimes these things happen in MMA. Everybody's like, what the fuck are you saying? | ||
| Yeah, that brawl was hilarious. | ||
| It was. | ||
| It was hilarious. | ||
| Those are the wild days of MMA. Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's so funny, like, when you say you competed in 99, because that's like, God, man, you were on the early, early days. | ||
| That's six years after the birth of the UFC. Damn, is it that soon? | ||
| Yeah, you're right, 93. Holy crap. | ||
| Yeah, the sports, I've watched it just change so much. | ||
| You know, I've had fights with bare knuckles. | ||
| My first fight, I was actually in the crowd watching the fight, just there to watch. | ||
| And then someone didn't show up and was like, does anyone want to fight? | ||
| And my dumb ass is like, yeah, me, me. | ||
| And they're sitting there, I'm going up there, I think they're taping my wrist. | ||
| And I'm sitting there back there being like, wait, what did I just do? | ||
| Is this a good idea? | ||
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How old are you? | |
| I'm a moron. | ||
| Probably 20, so I was a moron. | ||
| How long had you been training? | ||
| I think like three, four weeks. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| I thought I could beat everyone up. | ||
| I did win the fight. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But I thought I was like unbeatable. | ||
| Did you have any striking training at all? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I think I got the crap beat out of me by Chuck Liddell one time. | ||
| One time? | ||
| I wanted to spar him, because we know how Chuck looked, right? | ||
| But imagine if you'd never seen Chuck, he'd be like, this guy is ridiculous. | ||
| I'm going to mess this guy up. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Chuck? | ||
| I didn't really think I was going to mess him up, but I thought I would do well. | ||
| Then I got in there with him, and he just creamed me. | ||
| And this was when you were 20? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he didn't try to knock me out with headshots, but he did with liver shots. | ||
| Yeah, it was not. | ||
| Dude, Chuck, in the early days, before Chuck was a champion, when, you know, people were ducking him, it was hard for him to get fights, like when he fought Babalu, like, Chuck was a fucking monster. | ||
| Damn, yeah, I was training with him that time period. | ||
| He's the guy that introduced me to fighting, and man, what a savage. | ||
| He was kill or be killed. | ||
| Like, these young kids that don't know, put some respect on that guy's name. | ||
| Yeah, dude, that guy's a legend. | ||
| I mean, I look up to Chuck, because he's the guy that got me into the sport, so I always look up to him as, like, a mentor and a big brother, you know? | ||
| Yeah, during the early days of MMA, I mean, he was the kill or P-killed guy. | ||
| He's the guy that motivated me to take it for a career because he started making a little money, and I'm like, a little money, probably like 30k a fight, but I was so broke, I was like, oh man, maybe I can make some money with this sport, and just went after it. | ||
| Yeah, that was such a crazy time, right? | ||
| Because, like, Chuck fought Pele in Vale Tudo in Brazil when they had nets under the bottom rope. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| So he couldn't slip out. | ||
| He got caught under the net. | ||
| It was Pele, right? | ||
| And Chuck was beating the crap out of him. | ||
| Bare knuckle. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Savage. | ||
| 30-minute fight, I think? | ||
| Yeah, but look how they have the nets under the bottom rope. | ||
| That was just so insane. | ||
| So you couldn't scoot out. | ||
| Which, I kind of like that, actually. | ||
| Because in Japan, I'd be fighting guys, and they'd let the Japanese scoot out, but they wouldn't let us, the Americans, scoot out. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Really? | ||
| They would stop you? | ||
| Yeah, they'd try to grab us, but then sometimes the other guys would take them down, they'd slide right out of the ring, and they'd restart you on the feet. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's Chuck Liddell in Sao Paulo, Brazil. | ||
| Yeah, that was like, what year was that? | ||
| Because I was early when I knew Chuck, and I remember I was just so pumped when he won that. | ||
| If I had it, let me guess. | ||
| I'm going to say 2001. I bet it's earlier. | ||
| I bet it's like 99. Could be, because it was early when I knew Chuck. | ||
| Does it say? | ||
| Groin shots were legal, headbutts were legal, kicks to the head of a ground on the ground were legal. | ||
| As anything goes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Groin shots. | ||
| The fact that groin shots were legal is just fucking bonkers. | ||
| Yeah, even UFC 1, those weren't, were they? | ||
| Yes, they were. | ||
| Do you remember Keith Hackney and Joe Son? | ||
| Joe Son, Keith Hackney was on the ground and Joe Son was hanging on to him and Keith Hackney was punching him in the nuts over and over and over again. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And then I remember Hoist Gracie grabbed Kimo's hair when he was trying to pull him down by his hair. | ||
| No. | ||
| The worst was Big Daddy Goodrich versus The Pedro. | ||
| Do you remember The Pedro? | ||
| Pedro, his own? | ||
| No, it was The Pedro. | ||
| It was a guy who fought Vale Tudo in Brazil. | ||
| And Big Daddy Goodrich reached into his shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed his balls with his hand. | ||
| That is a savage man. | ||
| Reached into his fucking shorts in the middle of a fight and grabbed his hog and crushed his nuts. | ||
| You say this is Big Daddy Goodridge? | ||
| I'm 99% positive. | ||
| I'm gonna remind myself never to get in a fight with Goodridge. | ||
| Well, he's most certainly done, but I'm 99% certain that that's who did it. | ||
| I don't know how I missed that one. | ||
| Who would it have been against? | ||
| The Pedro. | ||
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Against The Pedro. | |
| There was a guy named The Pedro. | ||
| What year did you start watching fighting? | ||
| Like really early? | ||
| I found out about it in 94. It was after the first UFC. I'd just moved to LA, and I watched the second UFC. I got it from a video store, like a Hollywood video or some shit. | ||
| And I was like, oh my god, what is this? | ||
| And then I found out that this was a thing that they were doing on a regular basis. | ||
| So I saw it after it had already aired. | ||
| Maybe I'd heard about it. | ||
| Yeah, same with me. | ||
| I think around 95 or something, my dad read it some. | ||
| I bring it home, like, Oh my God, this is crazy. | ||
| Never thought I would do it, obviously. | ||
| I mean, these guys are nuts. | ||
| But then when I started fighting, my dad's like, you can't do this. | ||
| I'm like, Dad, you're the one that brought these videos home and introduced it to me. | ||
| Did you have any idea of doing something else? | ||
| Was there something else you wanted to do when you were young? | ||
| I had no clue what I wanted to do. | ||
| I was just a young kid getting in trouble. | ||
| I thought I'd maybe be a pro snowboarder. | ||
| Some of my friends were trying to do that, but I didn't really... | ||
| Have any ambition? | ||
| I was going to school, but no idea what I wanted to study, so I caught fighting and just completely fell in love and got addicted and just couldn't help going for it and trying it. | ||
| It's interesting because people have this idea of what kind of personality gets involved in fighting, but your personality is kind of the opposite. | ||
| You're very friendly, real quiet, mostly vegetarian. | ||
| Fully vegetarian. | ||
| Are you fully vegetarian? | ||
| Not vegan though, but yeah, vegetarian. | ||
| Do you eat eggs? | ||
| I do eat eggs. | ||
| The vegans, the no eggs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you do that mostly for ethical reasons, right? | ||
| Mostly for ethical reasons, yeah. | ||
| I grew up vegetarian, so it makes it a lot easier for me. | ||
| So I never had to cut it out. | ||
| I don't miss it. | ||
| So it just kind of... | ||
| The few times I've eaten it, I've felt like nasty and felt weird and actually physically sick too. | ||
| Meat? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it makes my stomach bloat. | ||
| If I was to eat it, I would do like you go hunting or something because the idea of like these factory farms are just, I don't know, if you watch any of those videos, just disgusting. | ||
| That's why I became a hunter, because I watched those. | ||
| I had two choices in my mind. | ||
| I said I was either going to become a vegetarian or I was going to start hunting. | ||
| And so I started hunting. | ||
| Yeah, and a lot of my good friends have gotten into hunting, but it's kind of invited me, but I'm saying, I don't want to kill an animal still. | ||
| Maybe I'll go out with them just for the backpacking experience, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's a great backpacking experience for sure, but the thing about hunting is that they have to kill those animals. | ||
| There's so many of them. | ||
| They have to be hunted, especially deer. | ||
| When you're around here, around Texas, they're fucking everywhere, man. | ||
| I mean, when I drive home at night, when I'm getting close to my house, I have to drive slow because these fuckers are jumping out in front of the car all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, it kind of makes sense, but it's still, if I don't eat it to kill something, it would just feel wrong to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the only reason why I would kill something and not eat it is if you have a dangerous situation. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's different. | ||
| If an animal's coming after me, then definitely. | ||
| Or you have predators on your property that are trying to kill your animals or stalk your dog or something like that. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's a totally different situation. | ||
| But most animals you can eat. | ||
| You can eat anything. | ||
| I ate a snake once because we killed that, so I figured I might as well eat it. | ||
| What was that like? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It tastes like chicken, I guess. | ||
| But you don't eat chicken. | ||
| So how would you even know that? | ||
| That's what everyone says. | ||
| When was the last time you actually had meat? | ||
| Probably like 10 years ago. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Because this blows my stomach out. | ||
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I don't feel good. | |
| That's interesting. | ||
| I guess it's probably your body's like so accustomed to just eating vegetables. | ||
| Yeah, I read there's like I think we build enzymes for the meat. | ||
| And I think I probably could build it within a couple days. | ||
| But I don't have it for never adjusting it. | ||
| So it would take me a little bit to readjust eating meat. | ||
| What is a standard meal for you? | ||
| What do you eat? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Burritos, salads, lots of fruit. | ||
| Bean and cheese burritos? | ||
| Bean and cheese burritos, vegetables, rice, Thai food, Indian food, all kinds of stuff. | ||
| What do you get for your primary protein source? | ||
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What do you use? | |
| A lot of beans. | ||
| I don't really consume that much protein. | ||
| I probably should consume more protein, but I feel like everyone always says I'm strong. | ||
| The train's with me. | ||
| No, you're very strong. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| I think there's different bodies, man. | ||
| Some people are allergic to foods. | ||
| Other people eat them easily. | ||
| There's some sort of a biodiversity amongst human beings. | ||
| There's different people, man. | ||
| Some people can eat all plants, and some people get sick when they eat all plants. | ||
| Yeah, no, I'm really curious, too, if I ate meat, how my body would feel. | ||
| I thought about it at one point in my fighting career to give it a try for a while. | ||
| My strength trainer was trying to get me, too, but then I ate it a couple times, and I just felt so weird. | ||
| And just the fact that never eating it, when I would eat it flesh, it would just be hard for me to put down. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Just psychologically? | ||
| Mentally and physically, so it's both. | ||
| So psychologically, it's hard eating it, and then physically, I'll get sick afterwards, too, so it's like, oh, I can't do this. | ||
| If you were going to do it physically, I would tell you to eat a very small portion. | ||
| I would say like have like a four ounce piece of like, you know, some sort of free range buffalo or something like that. | ||
| That's kind of what I believe from looking at diet. | ||
| I think the best diet is maybe that with meat like once or twice a week small amounts. | ||
| That's what I always have friends being like, oh, I want to switch to vegan or vegetarian. | ||
| I'm like, hey, do it slow, you know? | ||
| Just cut your meat way back. | ||
| Eat it like twice a week. | ||
| Yeah, well, if that's the case with almost... | ||
| I mean, look, your body gets addicted to alcohol, which is crazy because it's terrible for you. | ||
| But if you just keep drinking alcohol all the time and then cut off all the alcohol, you'll die. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| People that try to quit and they just can't get out of bed. | ||
| They're sick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're throwing up from not drinking. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| Well, that's how weird the body is. | ||
| The body gets so accustomed to consuming certain things. | ||
| Like, if you have... | ||
| A person who eats only one kind of food and then they radically change it, your body's probably like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of how I watch my diet, how stuff makes me feel. | ||
| If I eat something and I don't feel good, I know I don't want to eat it. | ||
| Like, if I eat Krispy Kreme, I feel sick. | ||
| I'm like, you know what? | ||
| I don't think those are good for me. | ||
| Yeah, I feel sick, but while I'm eating it, I feel amazing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| While I'm chomping down, you get the chocolate cream-filled ones. | ||
| Those are my favorite. | ||
| Just melt in your mouth. | ||
| But as soon as I'm done, I'm so angry at myself. | ||
| And then I feel like shit for hours. | ||
| It's like the amount of time you feel like shit versus the amount of time you feel good. | ||
| Yeah, it's not worth it. | ||
| You get about 30 seconds of good. | ||
| But if you get donuts, you have to go to this place in Round Rock. | ||
| Unfortunately, I can't think the name. | ||
| Just put in donuts in Round Rock. | ||
| It'll pop out. | ||
| Probably the best donuts I've ever had. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's worth thriving up there. | ||
| I'm not going. | ||
| Send Jamie. | ||
| Make Jamie do it. | ||
| Make him earn his pay. | ||
| Jamie has to research this snake venom stuff to make sure that Satan is not trying to play a trick on us. | ||
| I think Satan is. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah, so back to that. | ||
| Who do you think comes up with that? | ||
| You think someone being serious? | ||
| You think someone trolling? | ||
| I think there's a lot of variables. | ||
| It could be like Russians that are like coming up with some nonsense to try to make people fight online. | ||
| There's definitely a lot of these things that are trolls. | ||
| There's a lot of these things that are created in whether it's Reddit or all these other places. | ||
| Like the OKN signal? | ||
| Wait, I might get banned for doing that? | ||
| No, the okay one was, that's a weird one, right? | ||
| Because it used to be, there's some sort of game that some dorks play. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's the smack game. | ||
| Where you smack a guy in the nuts if your fingers point in a certain way. | ||
| Yeah, I bet if you don't hit me before, I'd just smack him back. | ||
| I don't understand that game. | ||
| I didn't know about that game until Tim Pool told me about it. | ||
| Did you know? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| How's it work? | ||
| Got you. | ||
| Made you look. | ||
| If you look, like, below the leg, if you hold it here and you look, then I get to punch you. | ||
| I'm going to try to get you later. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Made you look. | ||
| But in the nuts? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Well, it depends. | ||
| Really, it's just a punch in the arm, but it depends on what kind of friend you got. | ||
| But it's also a white power thing. | ||
| No, that's not real. | ||
| That's where it became the 4chan troll stuff. | ||
| 4chan made that up to see how ridiculous they could push things. | ||
| They go, let's see if we can get people to believe the okay thing is a white pride thing, and then it bought on. | ||
| But then it caught on. | ||
| But then the white power people did start using it. | ||
| Because I remember there was this photo of these militia guys, and they had that thing. | ||
| They were holding their fingers that way. | ||
| People did do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's pretty rare. | ||
| I saw one. | ||
| There was a Mexican guy. | ||
| He was driving through a Black Lives Matter protest, and he had his hands through his window just chilling there. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And then it got spotted, and it went viral, and he got fired, lost his job, now he's like broke. | ||
| He's Mexican? | ||
| And he's Mexican. | ||
| He's like, how can I be white pride? | ||
| He's just like an older dude. | ||
| Maybe he had a booger. | ||
| I'm sure he doesn't have Twitter. | ||
| He's ready to flick it. | ||
| That is crazy! | ||
| They fired him for holding his finger like that? | ||
| Yup, and it was just sitting outside his car, he was just chilling, driving by, and someone photographed it and it went viral. | ||
| That is so ridiculous, as if he's signaling to people. | ||
| He's like an older, in his 40s, family, like nice guy. | ||
| Probably doesn't go online. | ||
| They fired him for that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't remember what company it was. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| But yeah, he got fired. | ||
| And I saw an interview recently, and I think he lost all his money. | ||
| He was all bummed out. | ||
| And he's like, clearly I'm not a white supremacist. | ||
| I'm Mexican. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| That's so fucking stupid. | ||
| I remember there was a video of this lady who was eating outside of a restaurant. | ||
| I think it was in Washington, D.C. It might have been in Brooklyn. | ||
| I forget where it was. | ||
| But she was eating outside. | ||
| And all these Black Lives Matter people came by... | ||
| And they were telling her that she had to raise her fist in solidarity. | ||
| And she's like, I'm not doing that. | ||
| I've marched with you guys. | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| I'm here eating. | ||
| And they're screaming and yelling at her. | ||
| And then some of the organizers were like, white people get in front and yell at her. | ||
| And white people yell at her. | ||
| I'm like, you forget the frenzy. | ||
| That was so mad. | ||
| What's funny is I just saw that yesterday. | ||
| Someone on your show, James Lindsay, posted that. | ||
| I saw it. | ||
| I'm like, what the... | ||
| We forget. | ||
| We forget how crazy it was. | ||
| What a frenzy like that whole post-George Floyd time was. | ||
| Because it was two things going on. | ||
| It was one, people realizing like there's so much police violence, it has to end. | ||
| And then there was also these white people that were clamoring to make sure that people don't think they're racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, everything was just so polarized. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| If you didn't jump online and agree with them, you were racist. | ||
| If you didn't post a black square, I think I got people mad at me that didn't post a black square. | ||
| Calling, Jake didn't post a black square. | ||
| Yeah, I saw some people having a conversation about that. | ||
| They were like, hey, he didn't even post a black square. | ||
| I'm like, hey, fuck you. | ||
| You can't tell someone they have to post a goddamn black square. | ||
| Did you not post one either, Joe? | ||
| No. | ||
| I did not post a black square. | ||
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Racist. | |
| It's so dumb. | ||
| Like, that black square's not gonna fix anything. | ||
| Like, and you making someone post a black square is just you exercising power over people. | ||
| Getting people to submit. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| You're not fixing shit. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But I know a lot of people that posted it that didn't want to. | ||
| I talked to them like, oh, I felt pressure to post it. | ||
| I mean, it's their fault for not being stronger, but I hold that for a bunch of people, particularly girls. | ||
| A lot of times they feel the pressure. | ||
| I don't want to post this, but my friends are texting me and stuff like that. | ||
| Well, I know guys that felt that pressure too. | ||
| But it's just like, those are scary moments because people are accustomed to telling people what to do and getting people to comply. | ||
| And it becomes this like weird bully thing. | ||
| Yeah, we're really going through a weird time of that in the last couple years. | ||
| It was never like that when I grew up, but it's gotten pretty crazy the last five years. | ||
| Especially San Francisco where I was living. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you were diving into the waters of Twitter. | ||
| I was like, look at Jake go! | ||
| I never used it to recently, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but it seemed like you had gotten to a point where you're like, fucking enough. | ||
| Is that accurate? | ||
| That's exactly what happened. | ||
| I think it was the COVID lockdowns were just so extreme in San Francisco, and then the Black Lives Matter riots came, and they were letting people just loot and rob people. | ||
| And I'm like, you know what? | ||
| I'm just gonna start fucking speaking my mind. | ||
| Probably lost about 20,000 followers in the first week tweeting. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Maybe like 10. Wow. | ||
| It took me a while, but I slowly, now I'm back above where I was. | ||
| Different audiences. | ||
| But now when I tweet about fighting, it gets like hardly any traction. | ||
| I'll tweet about politics and it goes crazy. | ||
| So let's have a different audience. | ||
| It's kind of hilarious. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| But if I like go like, so if I start, my audience I picked up, if I start talking crap on Trump or something, it'll get like no likes, no retweets. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| The San Francisco way of handling things might be the worst in the country. | ||
| Well, it's like the whole Pacific Northwest. | ||
| It's San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle. | ||
| They handled that shit worse than anybody. | ||
| It was just unreal. | ||
| You know, most of my... | ||
| Like, half my fringe, you know, middle-class people spent years working their ass off, probably more than half of minorities, to build businesses up and just got their businesses crushed. | ||
| Most of them went under. | ||
| You know, restaurants, clubs, gyms. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| They don't realize the damage is done to people, especially the middle class. | ||
| They didn't fucking care because their checks kept coming. | ||
| All those politicians, they... | ||
| And I have a friend and his brother works on the COVID board in California. | ||
| And they were talking about banning outdoor dining. | ||
| And he said, why would we ban outdoor dining? | ||
| There's no cases that can be attributed to outdoor dining. | ||
| This is not a factor. | ||
| And the woman he was talking to said, it's all about the optics. | ||
| Imagine, you're going to close a fucking restaurant that's been struggling for a year. | ||
| They finally get a little bit of money coming in. | ||
| They're finally rehiring waitstaff, rehiring bar staff. | ||
| Everybody's kind of getting back in work again. | ||
| Oh, we're going to shut down outdoor dining. | ||
| Yeah, I think a lot of people just don't realize the devastation it did to people. | ||
| Maybe they have a tech job or they don't live in those towns. | ||
| It's a completely different job where they can stay home and get paid, but they don't realize you're completely killing people's businesses that have spent years, sometimes their lifetime, to build and just kill it over that. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's just the politicians. | ||
| I think they don't care because I think they get paid no matter what and they feel oddly disconnected from the people, you know? | ||
| Well, I think about $4 trillion went up to the top 1% during this, but I said about the same amount got lost from the middle class. | ||
| You mean $4 trillion? | ||
| Extra money got moved from the middle bottom to the top. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think about that too much, but that redistribution of wealth thing. | ||
| Dude, if you keep breathing in the microphone like that, I guarantee you people are going to complain. | ||
| Oh, sorry, I didn't realize how it was. | ||
| Thanks for letting me know. | ||
| I don't want to mess it up. | ||
| Because your nose is fucked, right? | ||
| We were talking about that before the podcast. | ||
| Yeah, I got the deviated septum, so I'm stuck like, I need to get this thing fixed. | ||
| I got mine fixed. | ||
| It was the best fucking thing I've ever done. | ||
| Because mine was broken my whole life. | ||
| I fell down a flight of stairs when I was like five years old and fucked my nose up. | ||
| But I could never breathe out of it. | ||
| It was always useless. | ||
| I probably broke it like a dozen times over my life. | ||
| Most fighters, like Justin Gaethje, you hear him talk, he talks like this. | ||
| It sounds like there's no nose. | ||
| His nose is completely stuffed up. | ||
| What was the recovery time on that? | ||
| Fucking nothing. | ||
| I was rolling in six weeks. | ||
| Yeah, I gotta get that. | ||
| I think I'm just so used to it, I don't realize, but not being able to breathe out of my nose. | ||
| Oh, it changes everything. | ||
| It's like, look at that. | ||
| Fresh air. | ||
| I would go to yoga class and they would say, breathe out of your nose. | ||
| I'm like, I can't. | ||
| I'll die. | ||
| Like, literally, I'll die. | ||
| It's like my friend gave me that thing for breathing out your nose. | ||
| I'm like, I can't use this. | ||
| I can't breathe out of my nose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you could probably do it yourself. | ||
| You could probably stick some sticks in there and pry it open. | ||
| Really? | ||
| If you want to be gangster. | ||
| I'm going to do a home surgery now. | ||
| I remember I saw Josh Barnett fix someone's broken nose in a video. | ||
| There's a video of Josh Barnett. | ||
| The guy gets his nose broken in training. | ||
| And Josh Barnett, I think he stuck a pencil in there and popped his nose back into place. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm going to hit up Josh Barnett. | ||
| I have to get a number from you after we leave. | ||
| I think it's like right when it breaks though. | ||
| I don't think you could do it like with yours. | ||
| Okay, I guess I'll go to a doctor. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Yeah, see this dude just got his nose broken. | ||
| Oh, it says Strikeforce Heavyweight. | ||
| So this is fairly old. | ||
| So Josh is manipulating this dude's nose. | ||
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It all came out and started pumping in the media that there's no... | |
| What does it say? | ||
| I wanted to hear the thing. | ||
| I think he's just narrating over top of it. | ||
| But what is he saying, though? | ||
|
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It said, smokers are being hospitalized at rates higher than any other demographic. | |
| This is not the same. | ||
| The truth is, that's not the same audio. | ||
| Looks like he's fixing it. | ||
| You got another fucking thing running. | ||
| I think I got that Rumble video going in the background. | ||
| Oh, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| You got that fucking Snake Venom video. | ||
| Play this, though. | ||
| Well, I don't know where it is. | ||
| You got the wrong one. | ||
| Well, hold on then. | ||
| Maybe I gotta find it. | ||
| I gotta find it. | ||
|
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You got three different browsers going on. | |
| The Rumble video. | ||
| It is on this one. | ||
| That is definitely it. | ||
| But yeah, that's pretty savage. | ||
| I mean, it makes sense, though. | ||
| I mean, if you just broke it, you could kind of pop it back in place. | ||
| I hate going to the doctor. | ||
| I would do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
|
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Now, here's the thing. | |
| Try not to f*** with it. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Well, because it's going to itch, it's going to swell, it's going to a lot of things. | ||
| And you're going to want to mess with it, and it's going to knock it out. | ||
| See, it's straight right now. | ||
| Try not to f*** with it. | ||
| Yeah, so he, in the beginning, he used a pencil or a pen, like a ballpoint pen. | ||
| But here's what's funny. | ||
| That shit ain't clean. | ||
| He didn't sterilize that pen. | ||
| Just relax. | ||
| Stuff that thing. | ||
| You ever had staph inside your nose? | ||
| Oh, that would be terrible. | ||
| Oh my god, you totally can't. | ||
| Staph is not good. | ||
| Have you had staph? | ||
| Yeah, I had it like twice. | ||
| It was terrible both times. | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| Did you do the whole antibiotic course and everything? | ||
| Yeah, like in Thailand if my leg blew up so big I think I would like died if I hadn't gone in. | ||
| It was like yeah in the middle of the night I had like cold sweats and if I was making it through the night but you don't know how to like in Thailand it's not like you just call 911. How do you get antibiotics in Thailand? | ||
| I took a scooter to the hospital. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It was actually great treatment. | ||
| It was clean, cheap. | ||
| They put me on an IV. The doctor knew. | ||
| I'm sure they had a lot of staff there. | ||
| He knew all about it. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I guarantee you they do, right? | ||
| I was so impressed with the medical in Thailand. | ||
| It was like $200. | ||
| Really? | ||
| In the U.S., it was like $5,000 and way worse treatment. | ||
| At least. | ||
| And it was terrible treatment. | ||
| Which, where are we at? | ||
| Phuket. | ||
| Oh, is it Tiger Muay Thai? | ||
| Tiger Muay Thai, yeah. | ||
| That's a great camp. | ||
| Yeah, and I've also been by Mike Swick. | ||
| I'm sure you know Mike Swick. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He lives there now, right? | ||
| What happened with him? | ||
| Why did he decide to move to Thailand? | ||
| I think he just went there and loved it and decided to stay there. | ||
| It's a pretty nice spot. | ||
| I mean, have you been out there? | ||
| I have been to Thailand, but I haven't been to Phuket. | ||
| I've been to Chiang Mai. | ||
| I went with my family on a vacation. | ||
| It was dope. | ||
| I love the people there. | ||
| They're so nice. | ||
| Everyone's so friendly. | ||
| It's a really beautiful culture. | ||
| I love spicy food. | ||
| I love Thai food. | ||
| Thai people are just so friendly. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| Isn't it amazing that a culture that developed arguably the best stand-up striking style also is so friendly? | ||
| Oh yeah, and the Thai guys that you're sparring with are so nice. | ||
| They're just chill. | ||
| They love it when you're training with them. | ||
| Americans. | ||
| It's just like the nicest dudes. | ||
| They're so nice, and they're also really good at not beating people up. | ||
| One of the things about sparring, you have to be really careful. | ||
| Say if you're an amateur and you spar with a professional and you go to certain gyms, certain gyms, they'll hurt you. | ||
| Oh yeah, especially in boxing, they try to knock you out. | ||
| The Thai guys will play with you, unless you go hard on them, then they'll try to kick your ass, which obviously makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, if you go hard on them. | ||
| But I remember my first times in a boxing gym, they just tried to kill me. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Unless you're really good, you go in a boxing gym, they're going to go out there and literally try to knock you out. | ||
| That's what they just use people for. | ||
| But it's crazy how many wars are in boxing gyms. | ||
| I mean, there's so many videos of guys just flat out throwing 100% knocking people out. | ||
| And they'll put that video up on your Instagram. | ||
| And you're like, hey man, you shouldn't put that up. | ||
| You look like a fucking asshole here. | ||
| You shouldn't be sparring like this. | ||
| Yeah, and, you know, post and knocking someone else kind of messed up too, a little disrespectful. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's also, it's like, it's the culture of those gyms. | ||
| It's like, there's so much bravado, machismo, whereas Thais, they like touch each other. | ||
| Like, they spar so light. | ||
| It's really interesting because it's not like it fucks with their timing. | ||
| You know, it's like they fight so often that for them to spar and spar hard is ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's why they spar so light, because they fight so often, so they spar super light, so it makes sense. | ||
| So if you don't fight all the time, you probably want to spar hard occasionally, but because they fight like every two weeks or something, they can go out there and just kind of touch each other when they spar. | ||
| Even though shin pads sometimes will spar and just be kicking you, but not hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's kind of amazing, really. | ||
| It's amazing that they figured out that style. | ||
| Because that's the best way to get technical. | ||
| The best way to get technical is to not have real consequences to your mistakes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you don't flinch and you're not worried about the counters, you know? | ||
| Yeah, the guys I train, I try to have them spar hard once a week, medium, and then have one time where it's just kind of play sparring where they're touching, moving, so they don't have to worry about getting hit. | ||
| They can try all their new moves. | ||
| When a guy gets hurt in the gym, how much time do you tell him to take off? | ||
| It depends on how hurt. | ||
| Like a minor concussion, at least a week. | ||
| A bigger one longer. | ||
| Yeah, but even just a week. | ||
| Even for a minor concussion. | ||
| And then you're going to get hit in the head again. | ||
| It's probably not good. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I said at least a week. | ||
| I'd say maybe if it was like super minor, but then maybe go back to like drill sparring after that. | ||
| I wouldn't go back into heavy sparring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But no, a hard concussion, a couple months. | ||
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Right. | |
| I would say. | ||
| Yeah, at least. | ||
| And then it's like, how do you know if they're recovered? | ||
| Do you ask them? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Yeah, I've seen a few people get really bad concussions that last for like years. | ||
| Have you ever seen that? | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| It's kind of scary. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of people that were never the same again after a brutal fight. | ||
| We all know guys that were in wars and were never the same again. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks when you see that. | ||
| I'm lucky going through 20 years fighting. | ||
| I feel like I mostly made it out okay. | ||
| Not 100%. | ||
| I might be a little bit retarded. | ||
| Can I say that word? | ||
| Yes, you just did. | ||
| What do you think was your hardest fight? | ||
| Where you took the most damage? | ||
| I've been in a lot of hard fights. | ||
| Henderson dropped me twice in the first round, just floored me. | ||
| He hit so fucking hard, too. | ||
| Yeah, my last fight was Ray Cooper a lot of damage, but I just mentally didn't really fill in that fight either. | ||
| At that point, I was like, I don't even know why I was fighting. | ||
| It was just kind of like... | ||
| You were on the way out. | ||
| Yeah, I just lost motivation, and that's after, like, when I got hit in that one, I didn't have any desire to, like, get back up. | ||
| On Henderson, you get dropped, it's like, I'm gonna get up, and I'm gonna win this fight, you know? | ||
| But when I realized I lost that desire, it's like, wait, why am I here doing this still? | ||
| Yeah, that's a dangerous thing for a fighter, right? | ||
| When you stop having that kind of enthusiasm that got you into fighting in the first place. | ||
| It's such an intense sport, you have to have 100% enthusiasm and motivation to do it, but the problem is a lot of times guys start making money later in their careers, and that's the same time they're losing motivation, but then they're finally making the good paydays, so it's tricky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did you find the PFL? Did you enjoy being over there? | ||
| Yeah, no, I did. | ||
| It's like, you know, like I said, they don't have the same hype as UFC, so that sucks, but they treated me good, you know, they pay well. | ||
| How are they affording to do what they're doing? | ||
| Good question, because it's a great show for the up-and-comers, because you can go and make a million dollars in, like, what, three, four fights? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, for the older guys, they get a lot better contracts, too, the guys that have been around. | ||
| So they're paying these people pretty well. | ||
| Some of the big names are going to pay pretty well on top of the, you know, million. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they have Kayla Harrison. | ||
| They have good fighters. | ||
| Anthony Pettis signed over there. | ||
| Roy McDonald. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have good fighters. | ||
| Do they still do that weird thing where they have points and you get a certain amount of points for finishing and it moves you further ahead? | ||
| That's how they score the bracket, because they have two matches, and the point system is who you fight next. | ||
| It's a little weird, but... | ||
| Why fuck with that? | ||
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I don't understand. | |
| I think it's pointless. | ||
| I try to explain it to somebody, and they were like, what? | ||
| I was like, yeah, I think you get points if you win in the first round, if it goes to a decision, if it's a split decision, maybe you get less points. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think their reasoning is a takeout bias, and to be completely fair, but I agree with you. | ||
| I don't really like it. | ||
| I think it's just kind of weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you're at that stage where you're not fighting anymore, and that's for someone who's fought since 99, that's a complicated stage in your life where you're sort of like... | ||
| You have to be all in to be a fighter, and then you realize at a certain point in time that you're not anymore. | ||
| How do you make that adjustment? | ||
| That is a good question, and that is extremely difficult, which I think is why a lot of athletes go on past they want to be fighting. | ||
| It becomes like your identity. | ||
| All I know is I get a fight, and then I... Train my ass off for like 10 weeks, fight, take a week off, party, back to the gym and try to schedule another fight. | ||
| It's like your identity. | ||
| And then you're like, oh, I got to step away. | ||
| And it's, um, the first year was kind of tough, but now I've, you know, started getting in the business world. | ||
| I've been fortunate to have, you know, good mentors around me. | ||
| Like, I don't know if you know Tarek, he's my trainer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He early on was pushing me into business. | ||
| I wasn't really listening, unfortunately, until later. | ||
| But then him and another guy started working with Derek Moneyberg. | ||
| He's an extremely rich dude. | ||
| He really has business figured out. | ||
| So I'm like, all right, learning from people that you got to put energy into something else so you enjoy it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What kind of business are you doing? | ||
| Oh man, I'm doing all kinds of stuff. | ||
| I just launched my clothing company, American Jiu Jitsu, AmericanFight.com is a website. | ||
| I've been working with High Rollers. | ||
| Okay, the BJJ marijuana company? | ||
| Yeah, one of the owners there now. | ||
| Oh, you're one of the owners? | ||
| Yeah, so I think I'm getting them a deal on Fight Pass. | ||
| Have you ever done a competition high? | ||
| I did once at the High Rollers against Diego. | ||
| What is it like being barbecued? | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| How often do you get high, first off? | ||
| Like, once every couple months. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| So for me, it was like, oh crap, I smoke too much. | ||
| Well, you're hanging out with the Diaz brothers, though. | ||
| Everybody would assume that you get high every day. | ||
| Oh yeah, everyone thinks I'm high all the time. | ||
| Nick, I think Nick smokes the most by far. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Yeah, Nate, he smokes, but not like Nick. | ||
| Nick will just put it down. | ||
| He'll smoke you under the table. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Dude, a lot of people smoke me under the table. | ||
| I've had people on this podcast that, like Mike Tyson the other day, he smoked me under the table. | ||
| Oh, you said Mike Tyson? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to watch that one. | ||
| Snoop Dogg, he smoked me under the table. | ||
| Wiz Khalifa, Action Bronson, he smoked me under the table. | ||
| Most people do. | ||
| Most real solid smokers. | ||
| I smoke a lot, but I don't smoke a lot for a person who smokes a lot. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a lightweight. | ||
| The best though, Nick Diaz and Snoop Dogg did an interview, and they're both just sitting there with their own blunts. | ||
| They didn't want to pass them. | ||
| I'm like, oh yeah, that's a totally Nick Diaz move. | ||
| Well, Snoop Dogg rolled and smoked two blunts of his own during the podcast. | ||
| Yeah, pretty impressive. | ||
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Animal. | |
| Just puts him down. | ||
| Puts it down. | ||
| He's high all the time, though. | ||
| Did you see the video of him preparing for the Super Bowl? | ||
| He's in that little Super Bowl set, and he's smoking while he's getting ready to go perform during the Super Bowl halftime. | ||
| Snoop is smoking. | ||
| Yeah, that's awesome. | ||
| Me, I couldn't do it. | ||
| Savage. | ||
| Just super human tolerance for marijuana. | ||
| But he could just exist high as fuck and be cool, cool as a cucumber, like all day. | ||
| You see, there was a press conference from Nate's last fight. | ||
| The press conference was getting super boring, so he just lit up, started smoking mid-conference. | ||
| You can do that now, you know? | ||
| He can, at least. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, back in the day, you know, marijuana was a real problem, because guys would be like six weeks out, and they would be their last smoke, and then they would still test positive, you know? | ||
| Especially when you're cutting a lot of weight, and you're, you know, deleting all that fat from your body, and for whatever reason, a lot of guys were testing positive that were like... | ||
| And so people were trying like seven, eight, nine, ten weeks out. | ||
| And guys get real irritable. | ||
| It just doesn't help your fighting. | ||
| I don't think, like, smoking six weeks out or five weeks out, I think if you were high while you're fighting, then you're making an argument that it might be helping. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, to me, I don't think it's ever been banned, but I don't think it helped me when I was high. | ||
| I think what Nick Diaz may have fought high during what was the Gomi fight. | ||
| He did! | ||
| They tried to give him a lifetime ban for weed. | ||
| Well, the craziest one is when he fought Anderson. | ||
| Because Anderson tested positive for steroids. | ||
| They banned Anderson for a short amount of time. | ||
| Nick tested positive for a tiny amount of marijuana. | ||
| Tiny amount. | ||
| And they banned him for fucking two years. | ||
| Yeah, I think it was five years. | ||
| Maybe they got reduced. | ||
| They gave him five years, then he fought it and reduced it to two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and I was at that hearing with him in Nevada. | ||
| It was this girl who wanted to ban him for life, and it turned out she was from Stockton. | ||
| So it had to be some kind of resentment of, like, he's from the same town but bigger than her. | ||
| You could just tell. | ||
| You think that's what it was? | ||
| That he was bigger than her? | ||
| She just seemed, like, resentful because he was from Stockton and famous and, like... | ||
| She wanted to be big. | ||
| I don't know if it's that, but I think there's definitely a power issue with those folks, with people that have. | ||
| It's like some people just don't make good judges. | ||
| They're not good at an athletic commission. | ||
| Some people just should not have the kind of power that they have. | ||
| 100% agree. | ||
| The judge is a good one. | ||
| Some of these guys, they know nothing about fighting. | ||
| Why would you be a judge, something you don't know about? | ||
| Yeah, I meant judges in terms of legal judges, but yeah, judges for fighting, too. | ||
| Yeah, that's a sore spot, the judges for fighting. | ||
| God, there's good ones. | ||
| There's definitely good ones, but my God, there's some bad ones out there, too. | ||
| Did you see the AJ McKee pit bull fight this past weekend? | ||
| Yeah, I missed that whole card, unfortunately. | ||
| Yeah, I watched highlights of it. | ||
| I'm going to have to go back and watch the whole fight and score it and see what people think because there's a lot of people that think that was a bullshit decision. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard it was all over the place. | ||
| I have some friends who are training with AJ, so he's obviously biased, but he said it was a close fight. | ||
| Well, I mean, it was close enough. | ||
| I mean, it was definitely close. | ||
| It was a five-round decision. | ||
| But, you know, he did score takedowns, but Pitbull did almost catch him in a submission. | ||
| Yeah, some of them are hard to judge, kind of like the Sterling one, Sterling on one. | ||
| That one basically comes down to who won that first round. | ||
| It does, but doesn't... | ||
| Listen, when Sterling takes your back and has your back for the entire fucking round and comes really close to getting chokes in and is punching you the entire round, complete back control, when is that a 10-8? | ||
| I want to know when that's a 10-8. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's tough. | ||
| There's no clear judging criteria. | ||
| Because I watched him take his back, and first of all, I was stunned at how strong his back control is. | ||
| I always knew it was good. | ||
| I mean, it was amazing against Sanhagen when he took Sanhagen's back and strangled him. | ||
| But Jan, no one has ever controlled Jan on the ground like that before. | ||
| No one. | ||
| Yeah, if you're a good body triangle rider and you lock it, it's so hard to get out of. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| Jan didn't really know how to work to unlock that body triangle. | ||
| I was so impressed with Al Jermaine. | ||
| I was so impressed with his back taking and his back control because I know how good Jan is on the ground. | ||
| He's a fucking beast, man. | ||
| No one's been able to control him on the ground. | ||
| The fact that Al Jermaine was able to get him to the ground repeatedly and take his back repeatedly, I was very impressed with that. | ||
| Yeah, Sterling's an amazing fighter. | ||
| I just think because the way the last one went, a lot of people don't really like him, but I have him. | ||
| He trains at Couture where I'm training people, so I have him spar the 35-pounders I train all the time, and he's definitely the real deal. | ||
| Oh, he's the real deal. | ||
| His jiu-jitsu is off the charts. | ||
| I think with a situation like that first fight, first of all, it was 100% an illegal blow, 100% he should be disqualified. | ||
| No if, ands, or buts. | ||
| That was a fucking knee, a hard knee to the face of a downed opponent, and he was fucked up from that. | ||
| That said, I don't think that's how you could win a title. | ||
| I think you should be able to lose a title that way. | ||
| I don't think you should be able to win a title that way. | ||
| Yeah, no, it made it weird. | ||
| I even like Sterling, friends with him, but it was one of those things, you watch it, you're like, oh, that's kind of a crappy way to win. | ||
| Well, win a fight? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Win a title? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, win by disqualification? | ||
| Yes, because you get your win bonus? | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| But win a world championship? | ||
| No, you have to win that. | ||
| You have to win that. | ||
| You have to beat a guy. | ||
| That's not beating a guy. | ||
| That's the guy fucking up and losing his title. | ||
| Yeah, because even though he's a friend of mine, I respect him, I didn't really look at him as the champ until he beat Jan. | ||
| Now you can say he's the champ. | ||
| He's the champ now. | ||
| At least in my eyes. | ||
| I think most people's eyes. | ||
| Listen, he, without a doubt, had the best performance ever against Jan. | ||
| And he opened up a lot of people's eyes, because a lot of people did not... | ||
| They looked at Jan as being complete. | ||
| His ground game's complete, his takedowns, his trips, his striking game is off the charts, and everybody was like, look, this guy's a fucking terror. | ||
| But Al Jermaine found the kryptonite. | ||
| I mean, look at his record. | ||
| He's fought some savages. | ||
| I can't remember exactly who. | ||
| I remember looking at it being like, oh, he's the real deal. | ||
| Oh, he fucked up a lot of people, man. | ||
| Like, if you look at what... | ||
| I mean, if you talk about Piotr Jan, look at how he knocked out Uriah, beat up Jose Aldo. | ||
| Like, he's beat the fuck out of some people. | ||
| He's a fucking bad man. | ||
| He's a dangerous dude. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's... | ||
| Ian and Sterling. | ||
| 35 is an exciting weight. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I just signed one of my 35-pounders to the UFC, Javid Basra. | ||
| You know him? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| He's, I think, 2-0 now. | ||
| He was the one that got called a terrorist at the, what show was that, like the Tinder series? | ||
| Some guy called him a terrorist at Wayne's, which was stupid, but it went viral. | ||
| Because he's Afghan. | ||
| Called him a terrorist? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Completely stupid, but it made it go viral in the Middle East and everywhere, so got him a lot of attention. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| And then he beat the crap out of the guy. | ||
| So you're coaching a lot of guys now? | ||
| No, just a small group. | ||
| I'm very selective who I train. | ||
| How do you decide? | ||
| Guys I like that train hard that I want to work with. | ||
| So you're in the gym, you're training, and you see guys, and do they come to you and ask you for help? | ||
| It's generally guys that ask me. | ||
| I help a lot of guys a tiny bit, but I wouldn't say I'm their trainer, you know? | ||
| Right, you just help them a little bit. | ||
| Like, I might go to Francis Ngannou and move, but I'm not his trainer. | ||
| There's guys like that, you know? | ||
| But there's, you know, five or six guys that I put a lot of energy into. | ||
| And when you put energy to them, do you have a contract with these guys? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I'm just doing a word of mouth. | ||
| If they don't want me, they can get rid of me. | ||
| And do they pay you? | ||
| Do they give you a percentage? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not much. | ||
| It's small. | ||
| There's not a ton of money in training. | ||
| But luckily, that's not my primary method of making money. | ||
| I do it because I love it. | ||
| It keeps me involved in the sport. | ||
| I go out there. | ||
| When you're cornered, it almost feels like you fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The excitement level. | ||
| And you're just attached to these guys. | ||
| It's just like they become like your brothers. | ||
| When you bleed together, sweat together, it's like a brotherhood. | ||
| I mean, you know just from jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Imagine when you're out there actually fighting. | ||
| It's like take that and magnify it by 10. Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what Gary Tonin said. | ||
| Gary Tonin, when he made the jump from just straight grappling to MMA, he was like the thrill of going out there and knowing that you're putting it all on the line and that you can get yourself knocked out. | ||
| You can get hurt and embarrassed. | ||
| People don't think about that. | ||
| Millions of people might be watching you. | ||
| If you want to get like knocked out, you know, covered in blood in front of all your friends, fans, it's a lot of stress going in there. | ||
| So after going back to grapple that, it's funny when you see people nervous at grappling shows, you're like, yeah, try fighting in front of 60,000 people in Toronto. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah, you fought. | ||
| You commentated that one, right? | ||
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| That was wild. | ||
| It was wild being there, because I remember it was a giant, it was the Rogers Center, right? | ||
| Yeah, the Rogers Center. | ||
| In Toronto. | ||
| And it was so big that there was a hotel inside of the arena, and so people in their hotel rooms were looking out their windows watching the fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Being the main event of that was just wild. | ||
| Walking out, you look up, you're like, what the hell? | ||
| The fucking screens alone were so big. | ||
| And the roars of the fights, like when someone would score a knockdown or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, that was still the wildest moment of my career. | ||
| That was nuts. | ||
| Yeah, that was nuts. | ||
| Do certain fights stand out when you think about your career where you're like, I can't fucking believe that fight? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| I mean, I had a lot of big, like, I looked through my record and I'm like, holy crap, I fought the who's who of MMA, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Looking back, like, remember the Rumble and the Rock tournament? | ||
| I beat, like, what? | ||
| It was three, uh... | ||
| I thought, was it Yushin Okami and Carlos Condit in the same night? | ||
| Like two just complete savages and won both of those. | ||
| I was just wrecked after. | ||
| My friends were like, yeah, we're going to go rage. | ||
| I'm just like, oh man, I want to go home. | ||
| But all right, I guess I'll- Did you go out? | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| But like cuts all over my head, body sore, shin swollen up. | ||
| You submitted Henderson in his prime. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't submit him, but I dominated that fight. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You didn't submit him. | ||
| Who submitted Henderson? | ||
| Did somebody catch Henderson? | ||
| I don't- I don't know what I can think of What am I thinking of? | ||
| Yeah, he's a hard guy to submit. | ||
| Am I thinking of Robbie Lawler? | ||
| Did you submit Robbie Lawler? | ||
| I submitted Robbie Lawler, yes. | ||
| That was your thinking of. | ||
| That was in Strikeforce. | ||
| Yeah, that one was awesome, too. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| Yeah, man, you really did fight the fucking who's who. | ||
| Yeah, I did not have a padded record. | ||
| I wish I had a coach or manager guide me, like, maybe we should take some easier fights. | ||
| You beat Tyron Woodley by decision. | ||
| You fought George St. Pierre for the title in one of the biggest crowds of all time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damien Maia. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damn, dude. | ||
| You had a wild-ass career. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty wild. | ||
| I remember like, I don't know, six months ago, I went and looked through it, and I was looking for the guys that fought, and I'm like, holy crap, I didn't get like, I don't think I fought anyone, like the worst guy I fought would be like 16-3 or something. | ||
| No, you had wars, man. | ||
| You had fucking wars. | ||
| You really did. | ||
| You had a lot of wars. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, looking back, it's kind of wild. | ||
| I'm like, wait, I did this for 20 years. | ||
| I would go in the cage and try to beat the crap out of some of the best fighters in the world. | ||
| Does it seem strange now? | ||
| You're three years removed. | ||
| Does it seem, looking back, like, what? | ||
| It seems a little wild because when you're doing it, it just seems so natural. | ||
| But it's still, I mean, part of me misses it, of course. | ||
| That's why I'm training guys. | ||
| Just the thrill of it. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what the training is. | ||
| When you're cornering a fighter, it's very close. | ||
| Not quite. | ||
| Nothing will match it, but it's like you get that same adrenaline because I come so close to these guys in training. | ||
| So you have your business with your clothing line. | ||
| Do you think you'll ever open up a gym? | ||
| I was thinking about it, but it's a lot of work to run a gym. | ||
| It's not a ton of money for having to sit around. | ||
| I would do it, but I would have to have a good partner and other people that help me teach because I enjoy teaching, but I'm not like John Donahue. | ||
| I want to teach five times a day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's a weird guy, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean weird in the best possible way. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I love John, but he's definitely an odd character. | ||
| He's so odd. | ||
| Good luck finding one of those. | ||
| I was talking to Gordon about that. | ||
| I was like, good luck finding another one of those. | ||
| You got a guy who is a philosophy professor from Columbia who falls in love with jiu-jitsu to the point where he lives in the gym, sleeps on the mats, trains all day, and... | ||
| He's not self-obsessed because he's injured like like he for people don't know John Donaher has like serious injuries like he had his hip replaced I think he's gonna have his knee replaced it's just not sure when yeah and a lot of that is from rugby before he ever did jujitsu yeah oh yeah I was training in New York when he had the hip replacement and the knee and he was just an absolute pain you could tell but he's a stoic guy he would you know limp in with a cane and He couldn't show the matches, so he would, like, sit there and point with, like, a staff. | ||
| He would make, like, Gary show the moves. | ||
| And then there was a couple-month period, I think, where he was going through the pain where sometimes he would just go off on Gary. | ||
| I'm like, oh, poor Gary. | ||
| He's showing it wrong. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But, man, yeah, he's a smart guy. | ||
| Oh, he's a genius. | ||
| It's just very rare to get someone of that intellectual, that high-level intellectual capacity that gets obsessed with jiu-jitsu and martial arts in general. | ||
| Like, when I found out that he was Gary Tonin's striking coach as well as his jiu-jitsu coach, I was like, holy fuck, that's insane. | ||
| Yeah, when I started talking to him about striking one day, I was in shock. | ||
| He was showing me different boxers and kickboxers and showing their offense, their defense. | ||
| You're like, wow, this guy is like an encyclopedia. | ||
| He knows everything. | ||
| He knew the same thing with wrestlers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He'll name some Iranian wrestler and he'll know what he does. | ||
| It's like, wow, this is just insane. | ||
| Yeah, his knowledge base is spectacular. | ||
| And they say that's all he does. | ||
| Like, he'll teach all day, and then he'll go watch videos all night. | ||
| Yup, he would teach in between classes, he'd be watching videos, then back to a class. | ||
| I don't know how he does it. | ||
| I mean, what are the... | ||
| I mean, how many of those guys are out there? | ||
| There's no one out... | ||
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One. | |
| I think it's just one, just him. | ||
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Right. | |
| I mean, other than him, you've got, like, Faras Ahabi, who's also a brilliant guy, who's also fascinated with the sport and can give you a lot of feedback and can name a lot of different styles of striking in Jiu-Jitsu, but... | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of brilliant guys out there, but there's no one like John that just completely, completely dedicates his life. | ||
| No family. | ||
| Just all he does is watch tape, train people. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Yeah, it makes no sense. | ||
| His intelligence level, too. | ||
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| Like, how is he not bored? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm like. | ||
| That's what I'm like. | ||
| Why are you teaching so many classes? | ||
| You think he would just do the pro team now? | ||
| He's rich now or making good money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it has nothing to do with it. | ||
| He wears rash cards everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The guy, like, I mean, I don't even know if he has a car. | ||
| Does he have a car? | ||
| He finally bought one last time I was out here. | ||
| I was terrified of getting in the car with him because he had like three days. | ||
| But he drove really well. | ||
| I guess he's an intelligent guy. | ||
| I was impressed. | ||
| I'm like, you want me to drive, John? | ||
| What kind of car did he get? | ||
| He got, what was that, a Jeep? | ||
| I can't think of what it was. | ||
| A Jeep? | ||
| No, not a Jeep. | ||
| It's like, dang it, I have a brain freeze. | ||
| It's these... | ||
| It's like a semi-fancy car, but not super fancy. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So he's just out here? | ||
| Yeah, probably a $50,000, $60,000 car. | ||
| I'm very happy he's out here. | ||
| I'm very happy he's out here. | ||
| It adds to Austin. | ||
| Yeah, so much. | ||
| I visit Austin a lot regardless, but now I have an excuse to come out and train with him and Gordon and Gary, just the best jiu-jitsu guys. | ||
| Were you training with them in Puerto Rico at all? | ||
| No, I never made it to Puerto Rico. | ||
| It was terrible out there. | ||
| Other than Gordon, he loved it, but everyone else thought it was terrible. | ||
| Why did they think it was terrible? | ||
| I think there was just nothing to do. | ||
| They were like a gated community. | ||
| It's all dudes in their 20s, single, and you're out in a gated community where nothing's going on. | ||
| Like, imagine that. | ||
| That does not sound too fun. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't sound like a good time unless you're gay. | ||
| Yeah, then it would be the best time. | ||
| Yeah, that would be amazing. | ||
| A lot of dudes. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of dudes hugging each other. | ||
| So, they were in a gated community. | ||
| Were they close to the beach, at least? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think it was nice, but it was boring. | ||
| I think that's what helped lead to the split of the team, which is very unfortunate. | ||
| What caused that? | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| A little bit, but I don't want to go and air people's dramas. | ||
| I'm neutral because I'm friends and everyone on both sides. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| Yeah, it's a total bummer because I like everyone involved and I try to talk and go, hey, is there any way this could be resolved? | ||
| And it was just like, no. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy that they're all out here, too. | ||
| They all came to the same city and then they split up. | ||
| Yeah, the B team. | ||
| The name's hilarious. | ||
| Very funny. | ||
| Well, they're funny. | ||
| Craig's hilarious. | ||
| He's a funny motherfucker, you know? | ||
| And Nicky Rodriguez is a... | ||
| Fucking freak athlete. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| You see his brother just won ADCC trials and I think less than a year training too. | ||
| It's like, talk about that family. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Well, that's real. | ||
| That's genetics. | ||
| There are people that are just, they have amazing, and then they'll have a background in something else, like maybe gymnastics or some other explosive sport, and it translates very easily to MMA or Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| Yeah, no, those guys just, they picked it up so quick. | ||
| Nicky Rod, I think he'd been training in a year when he took second in Abu Dhabi. | ||
| Wow, really? | ||
| And then his brother won the trials. | ||
| And the trials now are like 250 people per weight. | ||
| It was unreal. | ||
| That really is crazy. | ||
| But it makes sense because it's such an athletic pursuit, especially no gi. | ||
| No gi is so athletic. | ||
| As Marcelo Garcia was talking about that, he was saying the difference between gi and no gi is that you're Athletic ability has so much more of an impact on no gi. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's why a lot of older people and stuff prefer the gi. | ||
| It slows down the pace. | ||
| Sure, definitely. | ||
| You ever train with the gi or you must all know gi? | ||
| I'd train gi and no gi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You definitely feel like things are... | ||
| The thing I don't like about the gi is the weird stuff when people try to choke you with their clothes. | ||
| They try to wrap their lapel around your neck and... | ||
| Okay, are we bringing weapons in? | ||
| Can I choke you with my belt? | ||
| Because you can, right? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I never did much gi, so it was kind of... | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can choke someone with a belt. | ||
| But what I would do is just do no-gi techniques with the gi. | ||
| So I use the gi defensively because it made me watch my P's and Q's and make sure anybody doesn't get a deep grab on my collar or something like that. | ||
| As far as, like, the techniques that I use, other than very rarely I will pull out, like, a clock choke or something like that, most of the time I'm using no-gi techniques with a gi. | ||
| Yeah, whenever I put a gi on, it's 100% no-gi techniques. | ||
| The crazy thing is I went and, when I was a purple belt, I was back when the Brazilians were like, you're not really a purple belt, so I went and threw it on for, like, one week and went and won it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They said you were not really a purple belt because you didn't train with the Gi. | ||
| You remember that time period, right, when they were really critical of the note? | ||
| It's not like that's much anymore, but I'm sure Eddie got a bunch of crap for that, I'm sure. | ||
| Oh, yeah, they did. | ||
| But he was a black belt under John Jack Machado. | ||
| He was a black belt in the Gi. | ||
| But there was a time where there was a ridiculous idea that the only one to learn Jiu-Jitsu was with the Gi. | ||
| And Eddie Bravo had a great way of putting it. | ||
| He's like, if you wanted to get really good at racquetball and they told you to only play tennis, would that make any sense? | ||
| Yeah, of course not. | ||
| No, you'd want to play racquetball. | ||
| Yeah, or to wrestle. | ||
| To wrestle, you've got to wear a gi. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It made zero sense, but people were adamant about it. | ||
| But it's like one of those things where people who did the gi were so good at it, and they were so technical, and there were so many grips and so many things that they could do with the gi that they couldn't do with no gi. | ||
| And they would get frustrated because they would roll no gi. | ||
| So they would say, no, you want to learn real jiu-jitsu, you've got to put the gi on. | ||
| I would talk to MMA fighters, and I'd go, how's training? | ||
| Oh, you know, it's been great. | ||
| My coach is really making me work hard with the gi. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| Yeah, I encourage MMA fighters not to, because you can do it occasionally, but it's not really going to add to your game, in my opinion. | ||
| It's totally unrealistic. | ||
| If I was just doing jiu-jitsu, I'd say do both if you have an opportunity, but for MMA, that's why I never did. | ||
| I was always... | ||
| I wanted to fight right away. | ||
| I was trying to learn jujitsu for fighting, not some stuff where I'm upside down or someone could elbow me in the face or that weird jujitsu game. | ||
| Oh, there's some weird jujitsu games out there now. | ||
| There's, like, so many elaborate and exotic techniques that guys... | ||
| Like, I have so many saved that I find on Instagram, and I save them to go back and watch. | ||
| I'm like, what is he doing? | ||
| And then I go back and watch some just, like, exotic calf slices and some fucking weird way to take the back and, like... | ||
| Yeah, it's unreal how technical it is right now. | ||
| But for self-defense, I think it's gotten pulled away from that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah, there's so much of it that will work in competition, for sure, but you're not going to do that kind of roll on the street. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| But then again, there's certain things that you would never do on the street, but you can't deny the effectiveness of an Imanari roll to inside control and a heel hook, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You can't deny that. | ||
| Yeah, I would never do it. | ||
| You see guys do it. | ||
| It's awesome when it happens. | ||
| Someone like Gary Toney can hit him, that Ryan Hall, these type of guys. | ||
| So many guys. | ||
| There's so many guys. | ||
| There's so many, like, elite level, even our role guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's a... | ||
| I see guys doing an MMA. Oh yeah, you see it. | ||
| But for me, I can't really roll up. | ||
| My neck's too messed up. | ||
| I can't do that rolling stuff. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Is your neck fucked up from jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like in pain all the time, but it's just so stiff. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| If I go roll my head, it's like, ah, it hurts. | ||
| Have you ever used one of those iron necks? | ||
| No. | ||
| You never have? | ||
| No. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What's that do? | ||
| Oh my god, it strengthens your neck. | ||
| And it gives you great range of motion. | ||
| I'll give one. | ||
| Okay, perfect. | ||
| They gave me a stack of them to give to people. | ||
| Because I always bring it up to people like... | ||
| Fuck, I forgot what to give one to Mike Tyson. | ||
| Well, yeah, I definitely want to try one. | ||
| Yeah, it's my favorite neck training tool of all time, for sure. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| Yeah, because in fighting and wrestling, you get a lot of abuse on your neck. | ||
| Yeah, well, what it does is it allows you to strengthen your neck, but use full rotation, but not bending. | ||
| Not like that kind of shit, which is fine if you don't do it wrong. | ||
| But that's what it looks like. | ||
| You put that thing on your head... | ||
| And the thing, the way it spins left and right, there's resistance in it. | ||
| So you can tighten or loosen it, depending upon whether or not you want to increase or decrease the resistance. | ||
| And so you're doing that. | ||
| This guy's got it attached to a cable machine, and I do it that way as well. | ||
| But most of the time I do it, I attach it to a bungee cord. | ||
| There's like a 50 pound bungee cord. | ||
| And so I back it until it's like a full resistance with the bungee cord. | ||
| And then I do my rotations and I'll do, they call it the Stevie Wonder. | ||
| You do like this. | ||
| Ebony and ivory. | ||
| You know, like the neck one. | ||
| Yeah, you'll love it. | ||
| And then this one, the extension and retraction. | ||
| It's a great move. | ||
| I mean, it's a great piece of equipment. | ||
| It's just, um, it's hard to strengthen the neck, and that's in my opinion the best way. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| When you lift weights, you use anything for your neck. | ||
| It's a hard thing to work, but it's one of the most important, you know, for fighting, it's one of the most important things you use. | ||
| Did you ever get bulging discs or anything in the neck? | ||
| I think I have a couple bulging discs in my neck. | ||
| I got a, um, X-ray like I don't know probably 15 years ago and the doctor's just like oh you need to find a new career you're not gonna you could never fight again and I wasn't too happy I walked out of the office and I was tempted like later to send them winning world title fights maybe you need to reconsider a new career I remember you and I talking about this backstage because you had hurt your back and they basically just told you to quit Yeah. | ||
| And you know, that last couple years of my fighting, I did have a lot of lower back injuries. | ||
| But I was able to fix that actually by doing really light deadlifts. | ||
| I was always scared to deadlift because I threw it out deadlifting. | ||
| But a guy talked me into, I mean, I literally would start with like 15 pounds on there. | ||
| And now I still only usually put like 135 and just do reps of 20. And it's had no back problems since. | ||
| Well, that is a big issue with people's backs is just that they don't strengthen it enough. | ||
| And they don't strengthen it correctly and safely. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a huge believer now. | ||
| I tell everyone with back problems, like, hey, try the light deadlifts, you know? | ||
| Obviously, different injuries are different. | ||
| I can't say 100%, but I've had multiple people try it, and like, wow, my back's better now. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Within a couple weeks, a lot of times, too. | ||
| Well, you know, you've got to think, all that muscle around, like, when you think about a deadlift, just the actual act of it, it's one of the best exercises ever for full body strength, right? | ||
| And if you do it with a light weight, it makes sense that it would strengthen all that core stabilizing muscles, all the muscles attached to your lower back. | ||
| What happens is a lot of guys try deadlifting with extremely heavy weight and they throw their backs out so they get scared to do deadlifts. | ||
| You have to really learn the technique and form before you go heavy. | ||
| Yeah, but even, you know, Robert Oberst, you know who he is? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's a giant, strongman dude. | ||
| I mean, he's one of the immense guys whose head is as big as his table. | ||
| He's just a fucking complete gorilla. | ||
| And he discourages people from doing deadlifts. | ||
| He's like, you shouldn't do it. | ||
| They're going to fuck your back up. | ||
| Yeah, I think you can do it if you do it light with proper form. | ||
| And that's probably why he discouraged people, because he'd probably put a ton of weight on and just try to rip it up. | ||
| Yeah, I do them. | ||
| I don't do them with heavy weights, though, and a lot of times I'm doing them with kettlebells. | ||
| A lot of times I'm doing, like, two 70-pound kettlebells, so it's not much weight, and I don't. | ||
| You know, I just do them for reps. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the way to do it. | ||
| Yeah, I do straight leg deadlifts, too, for hamstrings. | ||
| But I think people ignore strengthening the back, just the actual back, because it's not a sexy thing to do, to do back extensions. | ||
| Especially low back. | ||
| I don't do the upper back, but the low back, no one's like, oh, I've got to get my lower back ripped. | ||
| Did you ever use the reverse hyper? | ||
| That thing was great. | ||
| But hardly anyone has them. | ||
| You can buy one from my house. | ||
| We have one right here. | ||
| I have one here. | ||
| I got it from Rogue. | ||
| Rogue sells it. | ||
| Yeah, those are amazing, but hardly any gyms have them. | ||
| It's so important, man. | ||
| On a gym right over here has one, too. | ||
| But having a reverse hyper machine in the gym should be standard. | ||
| Every good, solid gym should have one. | ||
| Just for back maintenance and strengthening your core and active decompression. | ||
| Yeah, every single gym, all the 24 hours, they all should have them. | ||
| It's unreal to me to go because that's like the most important thing for fixing your low back. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And that's all Louis Simmons. | ||
| Shout out to the great and powerful Louis Simmons. | ||
| Rest in peace. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, he died? | ||
| Yeah, he just died recently. | ||
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What? | |
| I didn't know. | ||
| How long ago? | ||
| Week two, three weeks ago? | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| He was one of those guys, one of the rare guys that we traveled to go do a podcast with him. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| I was like, I need to do a podcast with Louie Simmons. | ||
| I mean, he's the Mac Daddy of strength training. | ||
| Yeah, I was just out with Marcus from Strong Style. | ||
| You know who that is? | ||
| He's a steep-based trainer and stuff. | ||
| And that's what he uses a lot of his system. | ||
| Like, oh yeah, next time you're out here, I'll drive you down to his gym and we can meet him and stuff. | ||
| I'm like, oh, that'll be dope. | ||
| It's terrible to hear this. | ||
| I never met the guy, but that's just still so sad. | ||
| Yeah, he was in Columbus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We were down there for a show and I was like, dude, we gotta meet Louie. | ||
| He was just such a character. | ||
| He told me that after shoulder surgery, he had his shoulder replaced and he went to the gym and they made him max out with bench. | ||
| I was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| He's like, they fucking made me. | ||
| He's like, what do you mean to me? | ||
| You just got your shoulder repaired. | ||
| Yeah, some trainers are completely clueless. | ||
| Well, these guys are all juiced to the tits, too. | ||
| They're out of their fucking minds. | ||
| They're all just complete savages, just going for numbers. | ||
| Yeah, you used to go to a powerlifting gym. | ||
| Just look at his body. | ||
| Yeah, I was at a powerlifting gym. | ||
| That's how they all looked, just juiced out of their minds. | ||
| Yeah, and also, both of his biceps were gone. | ||
| Both of his biceps had detached. | ||
| And he just was all about powerlifting and all about innovation. | ||
| He was always like innovating with new exercise. | ||
| Yeah, his methods definitely make you strong. | ||
| You can't deny that. | ||
| Oh, no denying. | ||
| Healthy? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I mean, he's an example of him dying. | ||
| I think a lot of those guys die young. | ||
| How old was he when he died? | ||
| I think he was like 70. Was he 70 even? | ||
| 67 maybe? | ||
| I'm going to guess. | ||
| I'm going to guess 70. Jamie will find out. | ||
| 75. Oh, wow. | ||
| So yeah, he's a little older than I thought. | ||
| Pretty decent age to kick the bucket. | ||
| Yeah, it's not too bad. | ||
| I thought he was a lot younger for some reason. | ||
| Bro, he's tearing his body apart like most of his life. | ||
| He has no biceps. | ||
| His biceps before he died, they weren't attached. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| At that age, he was still lifting, right? | ||
| Oh, he's an animal. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| I mean, we met him. | ||
| He was 70. Right? | ||
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It was probably about five years ago. | |
| That's what he looked like? | ||
| Pretty sure. | ||
| Dang. | ||
| Unless that's somebody else. | ||
| Boy, that doesn't even look like him. | ||
| They're all so jacked it's hard to tell. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| That's what he looked like. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Were you out at the Columbus card or are you only doing the pay-per-views now? | ||
| I only do pay-per-views now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't have the time. | ||
| I only do North American pay-per-views. | ||
| I don't have the fucking time. | ||
| Yeah, the schedule. | ||
| They do a fight like every week with your podcast and comedy. | ||
| That would be... | ||
| Make no sense. | ||
| There was one time a few years ago where I did 22 events a year. | ||
| When I was commentating on 22 events a year. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| But it was fucking with my comedy because I couldn't really do a lot of weekends on the road and do clubs and stuff. | ||
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It was... | |
| Yeah, I think you're doing the right thing. | ||
| But I'm glad you're still doing it. | ||
| You're like the... | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| You're the one to revolutionize commentary, podcast, like a top 10 comedian. | ||
| It's just luck. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It is crazy, because you're a smart dude, but you're not like an Elon Musk, and you've been successful in so many different fields. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's very bizarre. | ||
| You did have people eat pig dicks, though. | ||
| I did have that. | ||
| I just got lucky that I found things that I enjoy doing that are a career. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's definitely partially luck. | ||
| I mean, obviously, you're really good at what you do, but it's still... | ||
| It is luck. | ||
| You're good at what you do, but there is luck involved, for sure. | ||
| Well, first of all, there's luck that there's those careers. | ||
| Because at any other era, right? | ||
| Because imagine, from like 93 to today is a very small window of time. | ||
| If I had been born in any other era, all of my jobs, except being a stand-up comedian, would be non-existent. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to be doing like a late-night talk show. | ||
| But I would never. | ||
| Imagine how terrible that would be. | ||
| They would never give me one. | ||
| I guarantee you they would never give me one. | ||
| Or you'd have to be like Stephen Colbert. | ||
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| I would never, not only would I not do, I wouldn't be good at it, I wouldn't enjoy it, and then they would never give me that job. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because I'm not that guy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, there's people that are a little good late night talk show host, they're great at bringing in the band, and alright, we'll be right back. | ||
| I'm not that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are like schmoozy, you know, fucking different kind of guy. | ||
| Say whatever they want. | ||
| It's sad seeing, like, Stephen Colbert, because I used to think he was funny, and seeing him now just, like, is cringe. | ||
| He's weird, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, the vax thing. | ||
| You're just like, oh, my God, this is so hard to watch. | ||
| The vaccine songs. | ||
| Yeah, you saw that, right? | ||
| That was strange. | ||
| Like, I want to be in the meeting when they pitch that. | ||
| Like, here's the thing. | ||
| We're going to go, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. | ||
| Vaccine! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, where's the joke? | ||
| I'd be like, where's the joke? | ||
| Are people going to watch this? | ||
| Yeah, you wonder, is a guy happy like that doing a job, or is he just like the money? | ||
| It's definitely, uh... | ||
| I guess people get so attached to being famous and getting money, they'll do whatever it takes. | ||
| I bet it's, for sure, very lucrative. | ||
| He gets a lot of money. | ||
| I bet he enjoys being the star of a show. | ||
| Um, he enjoys being on the in. | ||
| He's in on the in crowd. | ||
| He can hang out with Obama, probably, and Hillary, and all these important people. | ||
| Have you ever seen the video of him dancing with Chuck Schumer and high-fiving each other? | ||
| Thank God I have not. | ||
| You need to. | ||
| You need to see it right now. | ||
| There's a video. | ||
| They're at some sort of party, probably where they're giving everybody Satan snake venom blood. | ||
| I just want to go on the record and say that's definitely true. | ||
| It was the reason why they made that In the Water documentary. | ||
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And Q2. Yes, the QAnon people. | |
| But there's this video of... | ||
| Colbert dancing with Chuck Schumer and they high-five each other and it's so strange. | ||
| I think Schumer is even wearing a mask. | ||
| Like look at him dancing. | ||
| Give me some volume so I can hear what the fuck the song is. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
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| Look, they're high-fiving. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| And Schumer's dancing outside with a mask on. | ||
| Like, this is gonna go down in history, like, this time, where, look at all these people outside with masks on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is like a mass psychosis. | ||
| But meanwhile, Colbert doesn't have a mask on, which is very odd. | ||
| Some people are exempt. | ||
| He's a risk taker. | ||
| Look at him, he's a wild man, but he high-fives the guy. | ||
| Yeah, this is just humiliating. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| He can't enjoy doing this, I would think. | ||
| Well, he might. | ||
| Yeah, I guess you never know, right? | ||
| People are different, man. | ||
| Yeah, the whole outdoor mask thing was just odd. | ||
| When I was in San Francisco, I'd be the only person at Golden Gate Park walking my dog without a mask. | ||
| And people would be looking at me like I'm a freak, walking around, turning their backs on me, yelling at me. | ||
| But I'm like, I'm not going to put a mask on outside. | ||
| Dude, I have friends that would yell at people to put masks on. | ||
| I'm like, bro, what are you doing? | ||
| Why are you upset at this person? | ||
| Do you even pay attention? | ||
| They say you should wear a mask. | ||
| Who are they? | ||
| Who the fuck are they? | ||
| Do you know those people who say you should wear a mask, used to say you shouldn't wear a mask, and now again say you don't need to wear a mask? | ||
| Yeah, no, it makes no sense. | ||
| There's been not a single scientific study showing the help. | ||
| Well, first of all, if you're going to wear a mask, those N95 masks are the only masks you should wear. | ||
| They explain that, that there's like, what did Osterholm explain to us? | ||
| There's some sort of a magnetical, what is it? | ||
| Electromagnetic charge? | ||
| Electrostatic charge. | ||
| Electrostatic charge in the cloth that actually does protect you somewhat. | ||
| So if you're going to wear a mask, a well-fitted N95 mask is the only kind of mask to wear. | ||
| But even then, you shouldn't be wearing it outside. | ||
| And even then, it's 2022. Exactly. | ||
| We get it now. | ||
| Everybody was in a frothy panic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're alright. | ||
| There was like a two-week period where I got N95 and wore it, like, only indoors, and I'm like, hey, this is ridiculous. | ||
| I'm just gonna walk around maskless and get yelled at all the time instead. | ||
| It's a weird time for kids, man. | ||
| You know, they're talking about children's development and the children who grew up during this that, like, There's a large uptick in speech therapists, where their speech therapists are having to treat kids, where young kids... | ||
| Well, imagine kids trying to look through the mask and figure out what you're saying. | ||
| It's gotta be so difficult. | ||
| I have a hard time... | ||
| If someone's wearing a mask, I have a hard time making any kind of a personal relationship with them, too. | ||
| I try to and try to be empathetic, but it's just so hard for me to communicate someone with a mask. | ||
| I use the facial cues too much. | ||
| It's brutal when you're trying to talk to someone in a crowded restaurant or something like that, and someone's talking to you and you really have to struggle to listen to what they're saying. | ||
| Because they're talking like a normal way. | ||
| And you're like, I don't know what the fuck you're saying. | ||
| I'm trying to, like, get through this with you. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough. | ||
| The funny one, though, they have the mask and they pull it down when they talk to you. | ||
| It's like, doesn't that kind of... | ||
| Okay, you just killed me. | ||
| You just killed me. | ||
| You pulled the mask down. | ||
| Now we're both dead. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's a weird time, but one of the things we were talking about before the podcast, it's so true, is the difference between different kinds of communities, the way they handled it, and the community of fighters and jiu-jitsu people. | ||
| Nobody gave a fuck. | ||
| Yeah, I was so fortunate to be in the best possible community because all my friends, I mean, some of the guys stopped training for a couple weeks, but they were right back at it and just kind of, eh, we're going to get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess if you fight people in a cage, you're not really going to be that scared of catching COVID. Right. | ||
| And you just found out today that you had had it at one time. | ||
| I'm a survivor. | ||
| I didn't know I had COVID, but just found out I'm a COVID survivor. | ||
| Now you can get some sympathy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one knew. | ||
| There's a lot of people that got it that didn't know until they get those antibody tests. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'd hardly ever get sick. | ||
| I had a light cold once. | ||
| Stayed home for a couple of days and I was fine, but I guess that must have been COVID. Well, do you take any supplements, or is your diet just sufficient enough to... | ||
| I think my diet, I mean, I probably should, but I think my diet and just working out, low-stress living, you know, not having a boss, being able to do what I want, I think makes me healthy. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Not having a boss. | ||
| I mean, don't you feel a lot healthier because of that? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I haven't had a boss in a long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess I still have a boss in the UFC, but... | ||
| But, like, kind of. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| I mean, you can kind of do what you want. | ||
| You're kind of exempt. | ||
| Well, they're pretty easy with me. | ||
| Anyway, they've always been pretty easy with me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's the one place where I still have a boss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're such a big part of the UFC, they wouldn't want to lose you, right? | ||
| Well, they know. | ||
| I'm not trying to fuck anything up. | ||
| I mean, if I'm trying, I'm trying to do my best. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting, though, that having a boss and having that kind of stress hanging over your head, that isn't... | ||
| Especially your boss is a dickhead. | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't imagine that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you take it for granted. | ||
| Having no boss probably over 20 years, you're probably the same, I would assume. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| Fear factor. | ||
| I had a boss then. | ||
| That was probably one of the... | ||
| Not one of the best shows you did, in your opinion, or no? | ||
| Trying to think of a nice way of wording that. | ||
| It was a very good show for me financially. | ||
| Yeah, it blew you up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it gave me fuck you money. | ||
| You know, that was the big part of doing a show like Fear Factor, so that I didn't have to think at all about money anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I didn't. | ||
| It made me relaxed in a way that no other show, nothing... | ||
| So that allowed me to do so many other things, including the podcast, because I started the podcast right after Fear Factor. | ||
| Yeah, so that was great. | ||
| I remember when you first started cage commentating, you were a big name, so we were excited. | ||
| Like, oh, Rogan's coming and doing this. | ||
| It'll help legitimize the sport. | ||
| So that was probably because it was from Fear Factor, right? | ||
| That was actually news radio. | ||
| News radio, okay. | ||
| Yeah, news radio was when I was doing backstage interviews. | ||
| I guess it was Fear Factor when I was doing commentary. | ||
| That's what really blew you up, right? | ||
| To the mainstream. | ||
| Well, I mean Fear Factor. | ||
| Fear Factor, yeah. | ||
| To the mainstream people. | ||
| Yeah, that was the big one. | ||
| Yeah, nobody knew who I was when I was on news radio. | ||
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I was just a random actor on a- Yeah, I never watched that. | |
| One of eight people on a show. | ||
| Is that worth going back and watching or no? | ||
| It was a fun show. | ||
| It was a good show, but there's better shows. | ||
| You know, we'll try to watch a couple episodes, see if I can get into it. | ||
| You can see me as a young, cute boy. | ||
| Back in, like, oh, look how young I was. | ||
| So weird, right? | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| And hearing my voice, my voice was different then, because my nose was fucked back then. | ||
| And I also still had a little bit of an accent, still had a little bit of my Boston accent that I hadn't shook off yet. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The Boston accent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's like a... | ||
| That's where you grew up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Sorta. | |
| I grew up everywhere. | ||
| There's cold, angry people in Boston. | ||
| Oh, they're so angry. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Mean women, too. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| I was over there a couple times. | ||
| Everyone's just angry, yelling at everyone. | ||
| It's freezing. | ||
| You're like, what is this place? | ||
| And then you're like, Boston sucks. | ||
| They get all mad at you. | ||
| It's the best city in the world. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| I can't wait to go back. | ||
| Yeah, the people that love it there, love it there. | ||
| But the people that, like, I didn't even know girls were nice until I moved. | ||
| Like, wait. | ||
| I thought they're just gonna be mean. | ||
| Like, they're pretty and mean. | ||
| You just gotta deal with them. | ||
| Yeah, why isn't she yelling at me? | ||
| Something's wrong. | ||
| Yelling at you and telling you what to do, and you better fucking call me. | ||
| Yeah, the guys that stay in those relationships always crack me up. | ||
| Well, if that's all you know, I didn't know girls were nice until I moved to California. | ||
| I moved to California. | ||
| I'm like, you guys are so nice. | ||
| Everyone's so nice. | ||
| Some fighters, some MMA guys and Jiu Jitsu guys, they like aggressive women who yell at them. | ||
| They like that. | ||
| They like those bossy women. | ||
| Some guys like it. | ||
| Yeah, 100% true. | ||
| I have some friends like that. | ||
| I'm the exact opposite. | ||
| I don't want some girl yelling at me, bossing me around. | ||
| I don't like that from my friends. | ||
| I don't like that from girlfriends. | ||
| I don't like that from anybody. | ||
| I don't like anybody in my life that's a control freak that likes bossing me around telling me what to do. | ||
| Yeah, my relationship in life is that. | ||
| No one liked that. | ||
| You cut those people out. | ||
| It's weird how many guys like that though, isn't it? | ||
| I don't know if they like it. | ||
| I think sometimes they get just like suckered into. | ||
| They don't know how to say no. | ||
| They start letting the girl boss them around slowly. | ||
| You see them suck their life out of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It fucking happens though. | ||
| Like, that's the Will Smith, Jada, Pinkett Smith thing. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't really know anything about that until the slap, and I started looking that up, and you're like, ooh, this is bad. | ||
| Did you see the video she posted? | ||
| And she posted that, so she thought that would make her look good. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, she's annoying the shit out of him. | ||
| And he's like, hey, this is my social media, that's my bread and butter. | ||
| She's like, turns the video on her cellar. | ||
| Yeah, could you imagine your wife showing up in your house and starting to film you without your permission? | ||
| And put it online? | ||
| That's like you're living with an enemy. | ||
| Yeah, it just seems so unimaginable to me. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| I can't imagine why he dealt with it as long as he did. | ||
| You gotta get him on the show. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| No chance. | ||
| I think it'd be great. | ||
| But it could be a little weird, because then you'd have to have some awkward conversations. | ||
| It'd be real weird, but I'm just not interested, man. | ||
| I like actors, don't get me wrong. | ||
| I think there's a lot of really interesting actors, like Robert Downey Jr. is very interesting. | ||
| Ed Norton is very interesting. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| Very interesting guys that are actors that I would love to talk to, but that world is so fucked. | ||
| It's so fucked. | ||
| It's like the fact that they didn't escort him out of there immediately and arrest him, the fact that they let him give a fucking speech and win an award afterwards shows you how fucked that world is. | ||
| There's not another industry in the world. | ||
| Imagine the Nobel Prize. | ||
| Imagine if there was... | ||
| A fucking guest comedian during the Nobel Prize. | ||
| Or imagine, you know the White House press correspondence dinner? | ||
| Have you ever seen that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where Michelle Wolf did it once and she mocked Trump. | ||
| Trump could have went and smacked her? | ||
| Imagine! | ||
| Imagine if somebody walked up and smacked her in the face. | ||
| No, it's unreal. | ||
| And Chris Rock, too, like a legendary comedian. | ||
| One of the greatest of all time. | ||
| One of the greatest of all time. | ||
| And you're going to slap him for a little, I thought, harmless joke. | ||
| Completely harmless. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't set a good precedent, you being a comedian. | ||
| Not just harmless, but like, cute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's talking about G.I. Jane, which is a movie where Demi Moore plays a really hot female Navy Seal. | ||
| It's not even an insult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like they're making fun of a bad movie that, you know, everybody mocks. | ||
| Yeah, it was harmless. | ||
| And he was laughing. | ||
| And then you see she kind of glanced at him and he runs over and... | ||
| Yeah, he's definitely in an abusive relationship. | ||
| There's just some relationships that aren't good for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And sometimes you get stuck. | ||
| Yeah, you see guys that don't know how to get out, or girls. | ||
| I'm sure it goes both ways. | ||
| Oh yeah, it for sure goes both ways. | ||
| There's asshole men for sure. | ||
| My mom was married to one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's just no getting away from it. | ||
| There's assholes in this world, male and female. | ||
| I like nice people. | ||
| That's what I like. | ||
| Yeah, people that aren't going to try to boss you around and completely run your life. | ||
| I like people that want to be friendly. | ||
| That's one of the things I love about living in Texas. | ||
| People are so much friendlier here. | ||
| Yeah, so much. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| They come talk to you. | ||
| My friend from New York is here visiting. | ||
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What the fuck do they want? | |
| Why are they talking to me? | ||
| I'm like, bro, no, it's how they are here. | ||
| Yeah, it's called being nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I lived in California, that was so rare. | ||
| Well, California, more common than New York. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And California got a lot weirder over the last five years, wouldn't you say? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Like LA and San Francisco, at least. | ||
| Well, it definitely got really weird over the last two. | ||
| But before that, I think... | ||
| You know, there was a lot of weird shit that happened when Trump became president where people got super polarized. | ||
| And there was so many people that got like really ramped up about politics and really ramped up about the kind of us versus them dynamic that I hate the most about politics, about parties, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I know 100% because I'm an independent and I have a ton of friends. | ||
| I think fighting brings more conservative, but I spent most of my life in San Francisco and New York, so I have a ton of liberal friends. | ||
| You should be able to sit there and have discussions with them. | ||
| With all my friends, I can, but some people get all worked up. | ||
| They'll start yelling at you. | ||
| It just makes no sense. | ||
| Well, they want everybody to know that they're on the right side of things. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why they get ramped up. | ||
| And for me, it's like it was my liberal friends that would be yelling at the conservative friends. | ||
| Like the liberal ones would be the ones who'd be the most ramped up. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| The current liberals have turned really weird. | ||
| And that's why I don't consider myself conservative still. | ||
| But these parties, they do things that I just can't associate with. | ||
| They seem a lot more intolerant. | ||
| Yeah, I lived in San Francisco from age 7 to 11, and that was like a very formative time of my life, and I always considered myself liberal. | ||
| My parents were hippies. | ||
| Yeah, same. | ||
| My parents were hippies, so I always grew up as a liberal, but not anymore. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's like, there's a difference between what liberal meant then and what it includes now. | ||
| It includes now, like, a lot of stuff that it didn't, like, it includes now People that want military action and includes now people that want censorship and includes now people that are intolerant for other to other people's ideas and people that like think it's fine to insult people and to be like really aggressive and shitty to people online and physically attack you Yes. | ||
| There's a lot of that, too. | ||
| Yeah, that's when I first started following politics when I was in Berkeley. | ||
| Antifa were there just like beating people up over that guy Milo's speech. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's also weird, right? | ||
| It's like then the Antifa, those people got tolerated by people on the left and they thought of them almost as like they're the thug branch of the left. | ||
| Like they're going to go... | ||
| You know, clean up all this bullshit. | ||
| And because people were so upset that Trump was president, they kind of tolerated a lot of this, and I don't think they would have tolerated in a more rational, sane time. | ||
| Yeah, no, I had friends that were sticking up front of Tifa, and that definitely bothered me. | ||
| I mean, I wasn't going to start yelling at them, but I was trying to explain these people aren't the good guys. | ||
| I've been at places where they're physically attacking people and had to fight them. | ||
| They attacked me, called me a Nazi, but then I beat a couple of them up, and they're like, oh, never mind. | ||
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| They attacked you? | ||
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For what? | |
| Oh yeah, because some guy was getting beat up in Berkeley, so I pulled the people off him, then they started swinging on me. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Then I dropped one, and all of a sudden someone was like, oh wait, he's not a Nazi. | ||
| Oh, he can fight. | ||
| He's not a Nazi, he's a professional fighter. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh my god, this whole punch a Nazi thing. | ||
| I remember I had a conversation with someone like that, like, what's wrong with punching Nazis? | ||
| I go, who gets to decide who the Nazi is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're talking about Hitler, yeah, go punch Hitler. | ||
| If you're talking about an actual Nazi... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But you're not talking about a Nazi. | ||
| You're talking about someone who might vote for Trump. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Like, maybe they're just misinformed. | ||
| Maybe they have a wrong perspective, and maybe you can give them your perspective, and you can enhance their perspective. | ||
| But saying you're going to go punch them is not going to help anybody. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| To them, a Nazi is a Trump supporter now. | ||
| So it's unreal. | ||
| I've been to a couple places to attack people. | ||
| My friend Mike Cernovich had a speaking thing in New York. | ||
| Some guy got put in the hospital, attacked by Antifa trying to come in. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Well, that was the whole thing with the Proud Boys. | ||
| That was the original idea that Proud Boys was kind of a joke. | ||
| And then once he got a bunch of guys to join up, He was talking about it on my podcast, and he was saying, like, we're going to go out and punch these Antifa people. | ||
| I was like, oh, this doesn't sound like a good idea. | ||
| Whenever you have, like, a gang, you're creating a gang to go fight this other gang, like, I get the idea that this Antifa thing is a problem, but the solution... | ||
| I mean, what is the solution? | ||
| Law enforcement? | ||
| Intolerance by law enforcement, right? | ||
| Law enforcement can't be tolerant of it, rather. | ||
| And they are. | ||
| Yeah, because actually, when Berkeley, after I saved that guy, I pushed him into a business. | ||
| They were going to knock the business windows out, but they're like, oh, it's minority-owned. | ||
| Don't bust it. | ||
| That makes a difference. | ||
| So a bunch of Middle Eastern guys saved him. | ||
| So then I run out, grab the police. | ||
| They're still beating other people up to get help, and the cops are just like, oh, we can't go in there. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I was in shock. | ||
| That's when I'm like, what? | ||
| Yeah, cops can't do a lot if they're not funded. | ||
| That's the thing, too, right? | ||
| All this defund the police thing? | ||
| That was one of the weird things about lefties, is that all of a sudden they wanted to defund the police. | ||
| I was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah, now look at the crime places like San Francisco. | ||
| They're just getting robbed everywhere. | ||
| I have friends getting robbed, cars stolen, jacked with guns. | ||
| It's unreal there now. | ||
| It's unreal. | ||
| It's not just unreal. | ||
| People are leaving the hatch of their car open and leaving their doors unlocked so that people don't smash their windows. | ||
| Like, people are smashing their windows so much that people are just leaving their doors open. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There are windows down in cars. | ||
| It's just signs everywhere. | ||
| Please don't smash out my window. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a single mom. | ||
| I work two jobs. | ||
| Please don't steal. | ||
| And then they'll still knock the window out. | ||
| I saw a guy. | ||
| There was a video of this guy walking through Brooklyn, and he had a crowbar. | ||
| And he's just smashing windows. | ||
| Just walking, smashing windows of people's cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just randomly. | ||
| That used to be so rare. | ||
| If that happened, it was like, what happened? | ||
| Some fucking insane person at a crowbar and he walked down the street smashing windows. | ||
| Now I see it and I'm like, that kind of fits. | ||
| Yeah, because he knows there's no repercussions. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In San Francisco, the DA will let you out right away. | ||
| Well, New York, too, and also L.A. L.A.'s got a real problem with that. | ||
| My friend who's a cop in L.A. was explaining this to me, how much the homicides have gone up and how many he sees. | ||
| He was just describing it just the other day, all these different people that he saw get shot. | ||
| Yeah, the defund, defund the police, push by Black Lives Matter, it's mostly black people getting shot more now. | ||
| So it's been a complete opposite of what they wanted. | ||
| It was that, but it was also a lot of white liberals. | ||
| It was a cute thing to say. | ||
| It wouldn't say defund the police. | ||
| You know, I'm not saying black people push it. | ||
| I'm saying that's what it caused to happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the white liberals are mostly fine. | ||
| Well, other than getting robbed in San Francisco. | ||
| They get robbed in Beverly Hills, too. | ||
| Yeah, people getting robbed for their watches. | ||
| Getting robbed having brunch. | ||
| They're trying to sit outside and have brunch like you got to realize that those places don't have any security There's a crazy video that Kolyon Noir do you know he has the he's a he's a lawyer who's also a Second Amendment advocate and Like a really good one. | ||
| I think I may have seen a few minutes of him on your show. | ||
| Yeah, he's been on my show a couple times and Very very good guy to talk to about all things gun related and all things like Problem in crime really cuz he's very rational about it. | ||
| He's a lawyer, but he sent this video We put up this video of these gang members who are leaving LA cuz it's too dangerous Too dangerous for the gang members Wow And I was like, what? | ||
| And I sent this to a bunch of friends, because the guy who was a former gang member, who was a very well-respected guy in that community, was talking about how he's got to get the fuck out of LA, because all these people are going to get let out of jail, and as bad as it is now... | ||
| He goes like, it's bad now, but it's going to get worse. | ||
| He's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah, they're letting people out of jail that don't belong out of jail. | ||
| Like I saw yesterday, a guy shot 10 people in, I think it was South Carolina, out in $25,000 bail. | ||
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| Cain Velasquez is sitting in jail with a Nobel. | ||
| Now, how is that possible? | ||
| How come they don't let him out? | ||
| Yeah, I think maybe he should have charges and have to deal with it, but he should be out on bail. | ||
| There's no reason why he doesn't have a bail. | ||
| Well, he's not out, but the guy who raped his child is out. | ||
| This is disgusting. | ||
| Which is insane. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| That you can let that guy out because of this insanely horrific act that he did, and then this other guy who responds like, if you... | ||
| Look, I'm not justifying what he did. | ||
| I'm not saying he should be shooting guns randomly, you know, driving down the street trying to shoot out the window at this guy. | ||
| But... | ||
| Everybody, you're a father. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a father of a daughter, so I get it. | ||
| All of us would say, that's what I would do. | ||
| Everybody would say, I'd fucking kill him. | ||
| And Cain actually went out and tried to do it. | ||
| He did what we say we would do. | ||
| I don't know if I actually would or not, but we all say it. | ||
| Could you imagine Cain Velasquez chasing you? | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's the only thing that I said that like, I wish he just pulled them out of the car and beat them to death. | ||
| Like if anyone in the whole world chasing me, Kane would probably be like the last guy I would want. | ||
| He's just like a scary dude. | ||
| Scary dude. | ||
| And doesn't get tired either. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| There's guys that I put in that category of like greatest in the division of all time. | ||
| You know, there's like GSP as a welterweight. | ||
| Usman as a welterweight. | ||
| But when you get to heavyweight, Man, primetime Kane. | ||
| Primetime Kane was a motherfucker. | ||
| I think he might have been the greatest. | ||
| My only problem was he didn't hold it long enough. | ||
| So it's hard to give someone that when you don't hold it for a longer period of time. | ||
| Didn't hold it long enough and he never fought Fedor. | ||
| That would have been the fight. | ||
| Imagine those two in their prime. | ||
| We almost had it. | ||
| We almost had it. | ||
| The Russians were in negotiation with the UFC. You know, the guys who were managing Fedor. | ||
| I saw them. | ||
| They were out of UFC once, and they had conversations with them. | ||
| And they were trying to make it happen. | ||
| Damn, that would be amazing. | ||
| Maybe that's a fake memory. | ||
| Bellator can do it now after he gets out of jail. | ||
| A little late, but I'll still watch it. | ||
| I said I saw him at the UFC and now I'm going over it in my head. | ||
| I'm like, I think I might have made that up so long ago. | ||
| I might have false memories about it. | ||
| Isn't that weird how that can happen? | ||
| It can happen. | ||
| Especially with that. | ||
| I mean, there's so many events. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| But those guys that owned Fedor's contract, Fuck, man! | ||
| If they had just made that fucking fight, if they had just brought him over, but they wanted a ton of money and they wanted to be part of the promotion, it's like, they knew that Fedor was a legitimate superstar. | ||
| And so they, like, in terms of, like, maximizing his amount of money that he can make, It was in their best interest, but they were trying to maximize the money. | ||
| So then they took him over to Strikeforce. | ||
| And then Verdum got him. | ||
| Who's another guy that, if you want to talk about greatest heavyweights of all time, in my opinion, Fabricio Verdum has to be in the conversation. | ||
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| He submitted everybody. | ||
| He submitted Fedor, Kane, And Nogueira. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| No, he's definitely one of the greatest. | ||
| And if you were on top with him, you're in deep shit. | ||
| You're in deep shit. | ||
| He's one of the rare guys that if he catches you in a triangle, man, you're fucked. | ||
| Fabrizio Verdum had a triangle. | ||
| Oh my god, his arm bars, everything off his back. | ||
| Like when he caught Fedor. | ||
| He caught Fedor with a triangle off his back and everybody's like, oh! | ||
| It was just shocked, yeah. | ||
| Same thing when he beat Kane. | ||
| I was live at that one. | ||
| I was just like shocked watching Kane start to guess. | ||
| That was a bad one because Kane really should have been up there way earlier. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| But Doom was smart. | ||
| Mexico City's extremely high elevation. | ||
| What, 6,000 feet or something? | ||
| Plus. | ||
| When I got there and went for a run, I was like dying. | ||
| Well, not only that, the air quality is really rugged. | ||
| Like, that air quality is rough. | ||
| I took photos when we were landing. | ||
| I was looking out the windows like, oh my god, look at the fucking smog. | ||
| It's so much worse than L.A. Like, it's fucking bad there. | ||
| At least the days that I was there. | ||
| And then you have the altitude. | ||
| You know, Cain went out there like two weeks before, which is not enough. | ||
| You need like a month. | ||
| Fabrizio was up there for months. | ||
| Yeah, it takes a while to adjust. | ||
| You gotta really acclimate. | ||
| Like, I can't imagine... | ||
| They say you should do one of two things. | ||
| Either you should not go there until right before, or you should be up there for a long time. | ||
| But those are the only two. | ||
| But going there two weeks out actually might fuck you up. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, it actually might slow you down. | ||
| Because your body's like, what the fuck? | ||
| So you're going through all your training, you're not recovering. | ||
| Like, it takes a while for your body to get into this high-altitude cycle. | ||
| I was in Boulder once. | ||
| And our waiter was an endurance athlete, and he told me he had moved to Boulder just so he could train at altitude. | ||
| He goes, well, it's also beautiful here, but I'm an athlete. | ||
| And so we were talking to him, and he does bike races. | ||
| And I was saying, how long does it take your body to really acclimate? | ||
| He goes, really acclimate? | ||
| Four years. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| And he goes, yeah. | ||
| He goes, it takes a long fucking time to get used to there being no oxygen. | ||
| And so there's short-term benefits, but to get the Full benefit. | ||
| Years. | ||
| He was like, years. | ||
| I don't know if he's right. | ||
| Will he hold that for years, probably, too? | ||
| Or you don't really know? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think you hold it very long. | ||
| That's the scary thing. | ||
| I think when you train at altitude and you come back down to sea level for a couple weeks, I think it all goes away. | ||
| Yeah, that's what sucks. | ||
| See if, like... | ||
| Google, how long does it take to maximize the benefits of training at altitude? | ||
| How many years? | ||
| Google that. | ||
| How many years does it take to maximize the benefits of training at altitude? | ||
| Because I always wanted to look this up because that's one of those things where someone says it to you, you just take it as gospel. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You just believe it without looking it up. | ||
| He was a serious dude, though. | ||
| He was serious about all aspects of his training. | ||
| He was telling us about his recovery, how he does this and how he does that. | ||
| I mean, he was like a fucking gung-ho endurance athlete. | ||
| That's a different kind of person, man. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know who would want to do that. | ||
| Like those 100-mile runs? | ||
| Oh, that's my buddy Cam and my two friends, David Goggins, too. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| He just keeps doing them. | ||
| David Goggins did them on destroyed knees, too. | ||
| The 100-mile ones? | ||
| Yeah, he's done a shitload of 100 miles. | ||
| I think Goggins might have done like 20 hundred miles in a month or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like you've got to have something wrong with you to do that. | ||
| Oh, he's got something wrong with them. | ||
| Or our friend John Joseph, he does all those runs, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He does a lot of those Ironmans. | ||
| Yeah, Goggins is a lot wrong with him, but it's all right. | ||
| It's wrong, but it's right. | ||
| It's not that there's anything wrong. | ||
| It's just that if you want to compare him to a regular person, he doesn't give a fuck about pain. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck about tired. | ||
| He lives and dies in his own mind. | ||
| And when he thinks that someone doubts him or that you don't understand how strong he can be, you don't understand how strong his mind can be, If you want to get in a race to the death with that guy... | ||
| Yeah, I'll pass on that one. | ||
| Because that's the kind of thing that a guy like Goggins would thrive in. | ||
| Oh, could you imagine? | ||
| A race to the death. | ||
| One of you guys gets murdered after whoever stops. | ||
| No, you know what it would be? | ||
| You run till you die. | ||
| I would just give up right away, be like, ah, chop my head off. | ||
| I'm gonna lose this one. | ||
| That could be a thing. | ||
| Like, you know, like, they used to have duels, so if a duel was, like, two guys would agree. | ||
| Like, I fucking, you annoy me so much, I'm gonna get a gun, and we're gonna, back to back, we're gonna walk ten feet and shoot at each other. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Like, you're ready to die, maybe you'll shoot me, but I'm gonna fucking at least be able to shoot you like a man, and we're gonna go and do this. | ||
| They agreed to do that. | ||
| Only 100 years ago, I think. | ||
| Not that long ago. | ||
| Wasn't at least one of our presidents involved in something like that? | ||
| I think so, but if I can't remember who or any deals behind it... | ||
| One of our presidents was in a duel, right, while he was president. | ||
| Do you remember who it was? | ||
| He killed Alexander Hamilton. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That was like the whole thing. | ||
| But was he even president? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Wait, hold on. | ||
| Alexander Hamilton died in a duel? | ||
| Hamilton wasn't president, remember? | ||
| We talked about him the other day. | ||
| Drink milk commercials, like Aaron Burr. | ||
| I can't say Aaron Burr. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| It was an Old Mill commercial from the 90s. | ||
| It was a radio call. | ||
| If you answer this question, you win a million dollars. | ||
| Who killed Alexander Hamilton? | ||
| They call it the Alexander Hamilton guy. | ||
| He's got all this shit in his apartment. | ||
| And his mouth is full of a peanut butter jelly sandwich. | ||
| You can't say Aaron Burr. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I forgot about that commercial. | ||
| But, as I'm saying it out loud, I feel like he wasn't president. | ||
| No, he wasn't. | ||
| We talked about it the other day. | ||
| Remember someone brought up that- who was it that brought that up? | ||
| That he had gotten blackmailed? | ||
| I think it was Andrew Jackson, maybe? | ||
| Did he kill- But he got- but Hamilton got blackmailed because he was banging this lady and her and her husband set him up. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, because that's the play. | ||
| Who talked to us about that? | ||
| It was real recently. | ||
| It was one of the recent guests. | ||
| Who the fuck was it? | ||
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Omar? | |
| Was it? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Might have been. | ||
| Sounded like something he would talk about. | ||
| How many of these, you do what, two or three podcasts a week? | ||
| Sometimes four. | ||
| Sometimes five on a crazy week. | ||
| And how much do you do in comedy? | ||
| This week, four. | ||
| Four nights a week. | ||
| By the way, your show killed it when I was out there last time. | ||
| Oh, thanks, brother. | ||
| And all your openers. | ||
| You had great guys, too. | ||
| President Andrew Jackson, thank you. | ||
| May 30th, 1806, future President Andrew Jackson kills a man who accused him of cheating on a horse race bet and then insulted his wife, Rachel. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| I think he had a lot of duels. | ||
| Oh, he had a lot of duels! | ||
| Yeah, a few duels, no big deal. | ||
| More than a hundred. | ||
| What? | ||
| Can you imagine Biden or Trump doing a duel? | ||
| What? | ||
| Not every duel ended in someone. | ||
| I remember looking this up. | ||
| Not every duel ended in someone dying. | ||
| Click on that. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| They had terrible guns. | ||
| Their guns were terrible. | ||
| A hundred duel. | ||
| That's just insane. | ||
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That's insane. | |
| He was a savage. | ||
| I think he even had one where he got shot and survived the shooting to end up shooting that guy back. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| And look at our presidents now. | ||
| We had guys like that and Teddy Roosevelt. | ||
| And now what? | ||
| Did you see the video today of Biden? | ||
| He starts talking about Afghanistan and Pakistan and an Easter bunny comes and takes him away. | ||
| I'm looking that up after the show. | ||
| I'll show it to you during the show. | ||
| It's just the funny part of people that can't admit something's wrong with them. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Go right there. | ||
| But Jackson didn't settle a score in 140 characters or less. | ||
| He challenged his foes to duels, more than a hundred of them. | ||
| One opponent even died, so he only killed one guy. | ||
| But that was a guy who insulted his wife. | ||
| However, for the most part, people would stand and fire their gun in the air, purposefully miss their opponent, making the duel more about a test of courage when one's honor was at stake or their reputation was threatened. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| If you back down, then you're a giant pussy. | ||
| But you don't shoot at each other. | ||
| You make a deal. | ||
| I barely miss. | ||
| I'm not going to shoot you. | ||
| Maybe that's what you were hoping. | ||
| Yeah, that's a fucking... | ||
| That's quite a risk to take. | ||
| That's a big risk. | ||
| Hope Joe doesn't shoot me in our duel. | ||
| Yeah, I insulted Rachel. | ||
| What does it say there again? | ||
| Scroll up. | ||
| It says, not every time Jackson lost his cool with a gun in his hand is documented, but here are four that helped him... | ||
| Helped give him his reputation as a rage-filled lunatic and a few that left his body rattling like a bag of marbles. | ||
| Oh, so he had like... | ||
| That was the thing. | ||
| If you got shot back then, the velocity of those little muskets, that is not like getting shot today. | ||
| I don't think those things are going that fast. | ||
| You're probably less likely to die. | ||
| You might be able to catch one. | ||
| And this is the guy they selected as president. | ||
| Things have always been crazy, apparently. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a wild dude. | ||
| With his pistols. | ||
| But back then, I feel like gunfights were probably pretty normal, you know? | ||
| Yeah, if someone insults you, go shoot it out. | ||
| And maybe they will become again. | ||
| So when did it stop? | ||
| When they've stopped, yeah. | ||
| Probably like in the 1900s, early 1900s, maybe World War I, brought everybody together. | ||
| But if you think of the United States and you go to the 1800s, what do you think of? | ||
| You think of Wild West, think of gunfights. | ||
| If you think of New York City, you think of gangs in New York, right? | ||
| Here's the one I remember reading about this. | ||
| He had gotten shot close to his heart and still had the wherewithal to. | ||
| Within a few seconds, Dickinson fired, putting the first bullet into Jackson's chest next to his heart. | ||
| Jackson put his hand over the wound to staunch the flow of blood. | ||
| Despite smoke and dust billowing from Jackson's coat and his hand touching his chest, Jackson remained standing, puzzling Dickinson. | ||
| My God, have I missed him? | ||
| The dual's protocol required stated that Dickinson to remain in place while Jackson aimed to take his shot. | ||
| Jackson fired, but the flint hammer stopped half-cocked, not counting as a legitimate shot. | ||
| Jackson aimed again ever so carefully and fired a second time this time the shot was good and the bullet hit Dickinson in the chest and he dropped to the ground Reflecting on the duel the doctor remarked to Jackson. | ||
| I don't see how you stayed on your feet after that wound to which Jackson responded I would have stood up long enough to kill him if he had put a bullet in my brain Whoa It's a hardcore man. | ||
| That's a president right there. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Things sure have changed. | ||
| He died later that night. | ||
| Jackson was not prosecuted for murder. | ||
| And Dickinson would be the only man he ever killed in a duel. | ||
| Something that did not prevent him from becoming president in 1829. People might not have believed the story either, too, you know? | ||
| How that story maybe not got around. | ||
| Right, there's no video. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| You've got to be accountable to duels today. | ||
| I already killed someone. | ||
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Right. | |
| He had more than a hundred duels. | ||
| A hundred kills. | ||
| Yeah, a hundred duels. | ||
| Like, he might be an asshole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, how many people is he arguing with to the point where they're pulling guns out? | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| A hundred. | ||
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Right? | |
| I think maybe like two or three. | ||
| Maybe it's them. | ||
| If it's a hundred, it's probably you. | ||
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Bullshit. | |
| If he's famous, he probably was getting challenged a lot too, you know? | ||
| People drunk at a bar. | ||
| There's that Andrew Jackson. | ||
| Yeah, with shitty booze too. | ||
| Imagine how bad their whiskey tasted. | ||
| Yeah, like look, there's just a group of guys and they're like, fuck, I'll fucking fight them. | ||
| Yeah, they're probably so bored. | ||
| They'll fight anybody back then. | ||
| No TV, no internet. | ||
| And everybody smelled. | ||
| No soap. | ||
| Everybody stunk. | ||
| Everybody had their teeth were rotting out their fucking heads. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Imagine living back then. | ||
| Everybody must have stunk. | ||
| Yeah, well things were so bad people would be like, hey, let's just try like trucking across to the other part of the country. | ||
| We have no idea. | ||
| In a wagon. | ||
| We might get killed by Indians, bears. | ||
| Yeah, they would fly or rather sail in from across the ocean. | ||
| Not even knowing what's out there. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Probably gonna die, but better than staying here. | ||
| That's the difference between people then and people today. | ||
| People are scared to take a plane flight somewhere when you have absolute video of what's going on over there, who the people are. | ||
| Back then, man, that's a different kind of human that gets on a boat without even a... | ||
| How do I know for sure? | ||
| No assurance. | ||
| How do I know it's good over there? | ||
| I'll draw you a picture. | ||
| Like, it's a completely different kind of world. | ||
| Like, when they first experienced their first winter in the Northeast, they must have been like, what the fuck did we do? | ||
| Yeah, and why didn't they start walking down at that point? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, why would they stay there? | ||
| They just didn't know. | ||
| They probably thought the whole continent was like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, if they landed in the Bahamas, that's probably when they got the word out. | ||
| Like, listen, it never gets cold. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| Yeah, whoever hit Florida was like, uh, what are you guys talking about? | ||
| It's cold? | ||
| What? | ||
| When? | ||
| It's great over here. | ||
| When they hit Florida... | ||
| There's that book about Cabeza de Vaca. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| A Place So Strange? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| I think that's the name of the book, A Place So Strange. | ||
| But it's about Cabeza de Vaca and the group that came with him that made it across through Florida and into North America. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Like, living back then was insane. | ||
| Yeah, just wild. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Some wild stuff to read is about the conquistadors when they first came in. | ||
| I've read some of that. | ||
| It's just wild. | ||
| It's not that long ago, man. | ||
| Yeah, just so wild. | ||
| It seems like a long-ass time ago. | ||
| But, like, I had this bit in my act about when the Constitution, when the country was founded. | ||
| The country was founded in 1776. People lived to be 100. I'm like, that's three people ago. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| That's all it is. | ||
| 1776 seems like a long time ago, but that's not even a trick of numbers. | ||
| It's not that long ago. | ||
| The amount of time, basically, because it's 1542 is when Cabeza de Vaca came through. | ||
| So, like, take 1776, reverse back the same amount of time from here, from now to 1776, and that was, like, the first person across North America, to the Atlantic to get over here. | ||
| Yeah, it's so wild. | ||
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Nuts! | |
| And now look at this country, like, just how crazy it is, how big, how massive, the massive cities, like, how fast things change. | ||
| Imagine if you could show that to someone who was like a Native American tribal leader in like 1820, who was just like conquering the plains, like some Comanche tribal chief who had conquered this area. | ||
| This was all Comanche territory. | ||
| And you were going to tell him, bro, I got some bad news for you. | ||
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This shit's about to get crazy. | |
| Unrecognizable. | ||
| Imagine showing him, like, what would... | ||
| People that didn't... | ||
| They hadn't lost to the Europeans yet, right? | ||
| The Europeans hadn't come over and given them diseases and genocide and all that. | ||
| That hadn't happened yet. | ||
| Imagine going to one of those people and explaining to them what it's gonna be like in 300 years. | ||
| They would think you were crazy. | ||
| Kind of like that snake blood and the virus. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Disney World's gonna be here. | ||
| Disney World. | ||
| Right here. | ||
| Right where you're standing. | ||
| Right where you're standing. | ||
| People dressed as a mouse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then in the future, people are gonna be mad at them because they're too woke. | ||
| And their stock's gonna go down. | ||
| Like, stock! | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| Imagine trying to talk to a person in 1720 and telling them, 1720, dude, 300 years from now, it is gonna be fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| Think about the only 300 years. | ||
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300 years! | |
| Where will it be in 300 years? | ||
| Will it be that big of a change? | ||
| Hopefully not. | ||
| I think it's gonna be even bigger. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Yeah, Elon will have those things in our brain. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| There's a funny meme. | ||
| Somebody put up a funny meme of the difference between the way people look at Elon and people look at other people that propose terrible ideas. | ||
| How forward is this to Jamie? | ||
| All right. | ||
| How forward is this to Jamie? | ||
| I made a screenshot. | ||
| But it's just... | ||
| Any other time when a person is, you know, literally saying, I want to put a fucking chip in your brain. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Bill Gates, let's make more vaccines. | ||
| And then the people are like, no! | ||
| You will put microchips in our bodies and track us. | ||
| And then Elon Musk says, I will literally put a microchip in your brain. | ||
| And the guy says, LMAO. Nice. | ||
| It's definitely interesting because a lot of truth to that. | ||
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Oh, 100%. | |
| Me too, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's such a wild dude. | ||
| I'm going to be in. | ||
| I'm going to get a Neuralink. | ||
| I'm going to be the smartest person in my fucking house because they're all going to go second. | ||
| I'm going to go first because they're all going to go, Dad, don't do it. | ||
| I'm going to be like, shut up. | ||
| I'm trying to get smart. | ||
| I'm going to be smarter than all of you. | ||
| What if kids figure out how to hack their parents' Neuralinks? | ||
| They will. | ||
| They will. | ||
| They'll control me. | ||
| All of a sudden, I'll be telling them they can come home whenever they want. | ||
| Jamie will be out of a job when you get your Neuralink. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He's got to connect to my Neuralink. | ||
| That's the only way it works. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I'm lazy still. | ||
| True. | ||
| I still need Jamie. | ||
| I'm not going to be Googling things on the spot. | ||
| I see dudes doing that. | ||
| Some podcasts, like dudes have a laptop right in front of them. | ||
| I'm like, how can you still talk? | ||
| Yeah, they need to hire an assistant. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| The problem is you're not fully focused on talking while you're typing. | ||
| You can't listen and type. | ||
| Believe me, I've tried. | ||
| It's impossible to be reading and listening at the same time. | ||
| You know what the worst is? | ||
| If you're talking and someone's talking in your ear, that's impossible. | ||
| Oh yeah, I know what you mean. | ||
| Literally impossible. | ||
| That is so hard. | ||
| Because if you're in the middle of talking and someone is talking at you at the same time, it's so hard to just ignore that sound. | ||
| Yeah, it's not easy. | ||
| If you're talking about earphones, if you're doing commentary and someone's talking while you're talking, It fucks you up. | ||
| Have you ever tried one of those apps where it recreates that, where you try to tell someone something, and you have headphones in, and it jarbles your speech? | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So you don't even know what you're saying? | ||
| It's like this situation right now, but what you're hearing back in your headphones will be your words just messed up. | ||
| Oh, so you would hear like an amplified version. | ||
| Even though you're talking, the words are being blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it plays back for you. | ||
| I don't know how to talk anymore. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucked up. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| What is that app called? | ||
| I'll check it real quick. | ||
| It's almost like a game. | ||
| Yeah, it sounds like a fun exercise. | ||
| We've got an app for everything. | ||
| Literally, man. | ||
| I mean, there's so many people that are thinking there's too much already and, you know, we're on the precipice of something like a neural link. | ||
| There's so many people that are like, I need a flip phone. | ||
| So many people that are like, I need to disconnect. | ||
| And the metaverse and the, yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I hope never live in the metaverse, but unfortunately it might be the future. | ||
| We're gonna, it's gonna have to. | ||
| You know, the thing about the metaverse is like, what if the metaverse existed and you could do jujitsu pain-free? | ||
| And go do cage fights again. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I mean, imagine, right? | ||
| If, like, the problem with biological tissue is it gets damaged, it doesn't heal right, and then your knees are fucked, your back's fucked, your brain's fucked, but if there was none of that, but all of the sensation I mean, yeah, it'd be pretty cool. | ||
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| So I guess they'll probably, there'll be some good things, but overall it'll be weird. | ||
| It's gonna be weird. | ||
| Like guys will just start dating girls in the metaverse. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| You won't even know if it's a girl. | ||
| It'd be like some Russian general who's pretending to be a girl. | ||
| And this is your girlfriend. | ||
| And that's your girlfriend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you make love to each other in the metaverse. | ||
| Yeah, so he looks hot in the metaverse. | ||
| Right, and then the people would be bigoted against, like, are you a trans network? | ||
| Like, you should, like, I don't like to make out with people in the metaverse if in real life they're a straight man. | ||
| Like, fuck you. | ||
| What's wrong with you, bigot? | ||
| Yeah, there's our future. | ||
| That's our future. | ||
| People will find things to argue about for sure. | ||
| Oh yeah, 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not looking forward to it. | ||
| Yeah, we'll probably be hiding out in Montana trying to resist it. | ||
| I'm worried that what's going to happen is some people are going to control aspects of the metaverse the same way people control social media sites and enforce their own standards, especially when those standards are very biased towards one political party or one ideological. | ||
| Which, yeah, like Twitter and Facebook, yeah, censorship. | ||
| If that happens in the metaverse, what if that's how it is in the metaverse? | ||
| What if they dictate very specific styles of life and the way you want to live? | ||
| You can't live there. | ||
| You can't do it that way. | ||
| They won't let you. | ||
| They'll find you. | ||
| They'll hunt you down. | ||
| The same way they kick you off of YouTube, they'll hunt you down the metaverse. | ||
| It's not even real! | ||
| Yeah, I never even thought about this, but you're probably right. | ||
| The same people that are doing that are the same ones running Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, on the side of what you can talk about. | ||
| They could literally be the masters of the world. | ||
| If you're in control of an actual metaverse, so if they create a virtual reality that is amazing, maybe even more vivid than this reality that we're currently experiencing, but they have absolute control over it. | ||
| They're dictators in this world. | ||
| They can do whatever they want to. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It turns like the Matrix, which we're not that far off. | ||
| I don't think it's far off at all. | ||
| I think it's going to sneak up on us. | ||
| The same way phones snuck up on us. | ||
| Well, internet. | ||
| When we were kids, there was like no internet around. | ||
| And now it's like everything. | ||
| It snuck up on us. | ||
| And I think this virtual reality world that people are inevitably going to enter, because what's going to happen is they're going to make a version that's simple and easy to use, and it's going to be better than real life. | ||
| That's all that needs to happen. | ||
| Especially a lot of people that are not social, not that cool, don't have a lot of friends, so it's different. | ||
| You have your comedy clubs, your circle, you go out, you get treated great everywhere. | ||
| A lot of people don't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they don't enjoy their lives and they don't like what they look like. | ||
| They don't like how they feel. | ||
| They don't like their past. | ||
| All those things are fixable if the metaverse is real. | ||
| Yeah, it's understandable. | ||
| You could see why someone, you know, had things going tough. | ||
| They're not like that anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be wild. | ||
| You could live other lives. | ||
| You could, like, decide that I'm going to be a sailor. | ||
| I'm going to sail around the world in the metaverse. | ||
| You don't even have to leave anywhere. | ||
| Now I'm kind of wanting the metaverse. | ||
| I'm going to have to try this out. | ||
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| I mean, if you had, like... | ||
| Imagine if... | ||
| You can just plug yourself in and all of a sudden you are fucking scuba diving. | ||
| Like, all of a sudden. | ||
| Like, it feels like scuba diving, but you're still in Brooklyn. | ||
| You're still in your apartment. | ||
| You're chilling in your apartment. | ||
| But you have this, you know, fucking 86 terabyte video connection that's allowing you to, you know, the bandwidth is insanity and the processing power is insanity. | ||
| It's indistinguishable from real life. | ||
| And you can just plug into it. | ||
| Yeah, you can see why people would be intrigued. | ||
| The problem is people aren't going to want to live the real life. | ||
| So once that can happen, people will probably stop dating, stop going out. | ||
| Civilization could collapse. | ||
| It really could. | ||
| Because, you know, the real life is fine if you look like Nicky Rodriguez. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure that guy's living life fine. | ||
| Like 6'4", chiseled, jacked. | ||
| Jacked! | ||
| Perfect specimen. | ||
| That guy's life is great. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But some short, fat guy, life isn't great. | ||
| He's not Nicky Rodriguez. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like, if you wanted to be that guy, and you could be that guy in The Matrix, or you could be Captain fucking Schlub in the real world where nobody likes you. | ||
| I'll be Nicky Rodriguez. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Sign me up. | ||
| But that's what's gonna be weird, is like when anybody can be Nick Rodriguez, or anybody can be The Rock, or anybody, you know, anybody can be- Anyone can be you. | ||
| Yeah, anybody can be a person that they wish they were. | ||
| That's when things are gonna get very strange, because if they can give you a life, if you can be Indiana fuckin' Jones, And you could literally be in the Temple of Doom, stealing the crystal skull or whatever. | ||
| You could be that guy. | ||
| Like, you could live that. | ||
| Like, why would you go to regular life? | ||
| You would just do whatever you have to do to make money, to live like that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, even like me, my life's great, but that sounds interesting. | ||
| So imagine someone who's not. | ||
| It's going to be, they won't be able to leave it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We detailed how insanely interesting your life has been. | ||
| And now you're willing to give it all away. | ||
| And try. | ||
| I'm ready to sign up for the Metaverse. | ||
| I wasn't until this conversation, but you sold me. | ||
| Jake, I think it's going to be impossible to avoid. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| And I don't think it's far away. | ||
| I don't think it's far away at all. | ||
| I think it might be 20 at the most. | ||
| But I think within 20 years, I mean, look, dude, 20 years ago was 2002. We all had flip phones. | ||
| There was no iPhone. | ||
| It didn't even exist then. | ||
| And, you know, most of the time we didn't even text each other. | ||
| We called each other. | ||
| But still, we thought we were crazy. | ||
| We had an internet connection. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I had a website. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I'm living in the future. | ||
| We didn't even know what the future was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had no idea. | ||
| MySpace, you're like, wait, I could just go meet random girls on here? | ||
| The way that was set up and the way people lived then, we didn't live like, boy, I can't wait until the internet is on my phone at high speed and I can take 4K video and I can upload it to Snapchat. | ||
| We didn't think like that. | ||
| Because we didn't know that was a possibility. | ||
| But now we do. | ||
| And now we have social media addictions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where people are like legitimately addicted to checking their likes on Instagram and reading Facebook comments and writing things and going back and forth with each other and not even in the real world. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I had to put a timer on my phone with social media so it would like shut down. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I'm using this too much. | ||
| I need to shut this down. | ||
| Would you give yourself? | ||
| Like an hour. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| An hour is plenty. | ||
| An hour is plenty. | ||
| If I'm in an airport or something, maybe I'll like break the rules. | ||
| But other than that, I'm like, all right, I can't cheat this. | ||
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Whew. | |
| Yeah, an hour is way too much, but you can go through that so quick. | ||
| It's going to be so addictive, Jake. | ||
| Wait, my time's up? | ||
| What if that's in your head and you can, oh, my flight is not for an hour. | ||
| Let me go to the Bahamas and chill on the beach for 45 minutes and then come back, like in your head. | ||
| You can be on the beach drinking margaritas, feet up, listening to seagulls. | ||
| Yeah, why fly to Hawaii? | ||
| I got to take an eight and a half hour flight there on Thursday. | ||
| I could just go there that way. | ||
| Oh, me and the family went to Hawaii. | ||
| Did you guys go to Hawaii? | ||
| Well, not really. | ||
| But we got the Hawaii program. | ||
| We bought the app for it. | ||
| We got the Hawaii program, and it was not even half the price of going to Hawaii. | ||
| And it was so much better. | ||
| We stayed at the Four Seasons. | ||
| And everybody was nice. | ||
| All it has to do is be better. | ||
| They can make San Francisco nice again. | ||
| Yeah, clean up all the poop. | ||
| Imagine they find out that human shit actually fuels the matrix. | ||
| Like, boy, this is amazing. | ||
| So San Francisco would be a good place because you could just scoop up all the human shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's perfect. | ||
| The app that they had in San Francisco that shows where all the bum poop is. | ||
| And most of it's not even registered, obviously. | ||
| It's like everywhere. | ||
| I mean, you used to go there all the time. | ||
| It was a great city. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
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It was great. | |
| I had so many good memories there, and then just to watch it decay, it's like, what happened to this place? | ||
| It happened so fast, too, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just shows you how you don't want to run a city. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It happened from 2016 on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was slowly declining a little before that, but after 2016, it really started dropping. | ||
| Everyone was so tolerant. | ||
| It's so tolerant. | ||
| The thing that did them in was the thing that made them awesome. | ||
| One of the things that made San Francisco awesome was how tolerant everybody is and open-minded everyone is. | ||
| It's a very progressive, liberal city, which is great until you add bums. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I think also the fentanyl came in, which is stronger than heroin. | ||
| And then the meth, I think a lot of them are doing meth instead of crack, which lasts a lot longer. | ||
| So they're on harder drugs. | ||
| It's completely strung out. | ||
| Zero repercussions. | ||
| They're allowed to steal. | ||
| It's not compassionate. | ||
| They should be forced into rehab, not allowed to OD on the streets. | ||
| That's Michael Schellenberger's position. | ||
| He's a guy who's running for governor now. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| He worked for George Soros. | ||
| He's like a progressive politician. | ||
| But after a while, he realized that these policies are creating these problems. | ||
| And this idea that you can just live in a place for free and get free money and free food and that you just do drugs. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| It's insane because no one's gonna stop doing that. | ||
| Yeah, I used to be major pro, like all drugs should be legalized, but after seeing that I'm like, okay, there has to be something where there's like forced rehab. | ||
| Well, the thing is like, I don't think any adult should be able to tell you what you can and can't do. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't believe, like, you and I are adults. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a little older than you, but we're both grown-ass fucking men with kids. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I shouldn't be able to tell you what to do, and you shouldn't be able to tell me what to do. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| If Jamie told us both what to do, like, when you go home, I don't want you eating pineapples. | ||
| Like, why? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Pineapples are fucking illegal. | ||
| They're sacrilegious. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Like, that's the difference between, like, someone saying you can't smoke marijuana, but someone saying it's okay to drink vodka. | ||
| Yeah, makes no sense. | ||
| Or you can get a prescription for OxyContin. | ||
| Well, that's... | ||
| Yeah, I think most drugs, a lot of people can use recreationally and be fine, but there's just, when you see fentanyl and meth, you're like, okay, those two people don't seem to be able to use recreational. | ||
| Yeah, there's not a lot of meth advocates. | ||
| Not a casual meth smoker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The thing about fentanyl is it's really deadly in very small doses. | ||
| That's the scariest part about it. | ||
| It's like, that stuff does people in. | ||
| And super cheap now. | ||
| So you can just buy it up for cheap. | ||
| Well, the amount, you ever seen the amount that kills you? | ||
| Have you ever seen the image? | ||
| I know it's like a really small amount. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| You're going to freak out. | ||
| It's so small. | ||
| Put up the amount of fentanyl that kills you. | ||
| There's an image of a penny. | ||
| And next to the penny is, or actually on the penny, I think, is a lethal dose of fentanyl. | ||
| And it's so small. | ||
| You're like, that'll kill you? | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| And now they're dosing the cocaine with fentanyl. | ||
| People are ODing on that. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen that. | ||
| Yeah, I have seen that. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They're dosing a lot of things. | ||
| Street Xanax. | ||
| Street Xanax. | ||
| I didn't know that was a thing. | ||
| Yeah, they make fake Xanaxes. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| As I look this up, I feel like we have to grain of salt maybe because I remember seeing all the DEA pictures of weed and they're like, this is $17 million worth of street weed. | ||
| It's like, no, it's not. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| They do the price if you're selling it by a gram. | ||
| People don't go and sell pounds of weed by the gram. | ||
| But I think this is the lethal dose, though. | ||
| And from what I understand, I think it's accurate. | ||
| Because they did this study on how much more potent it is than heroin. | ||
| And it's something crazy. | ||
| Google that. | ||
| How much more potent is fentanyl than heroin? | ||
| Even if it's double that, it's still insane. | ||
| I think it's way... | ||
| Oh yeah, it was double the amount. | ||
| So yeah, even if that was off by two times. | ||
| It's compared to heroin here. | ||
| Yeah, lethal dose of fentanyl relative to a lethal dose. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's... | ||
| Damn, heroin's not a lot. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| I have a friend that is a nurse, and they said, like, fentanyl's given to people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have to be given more than 17 crumbs worth of fentanyl, right? | ||
| But it's mixed with other things. | ||
| It's mixed with other things, but they use a very small amount. | ||
| It's a very, very, very small amount. | ||
| I don't know why Fat Stone was even invented. | ||
| It's not like we don't have heroin. | ||
| Is there a shortage? | ||
| I think for extreme pain, people that are in really bad pain. | ||
| But doesn't heroin do the same thing? | ||
| I think it does. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| So that's the size of a lethal dose. | ||
| Comparison of lethal dose of heroin. | ||
| What is that word? | ||
| Which one? | ||
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Carfentanil. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So lethal dose of heroin, carfentanil, and fentanyl. | ||
| So carfentanil is like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never heard of it until just now. | ||
| And there's Fentil in powder form and Fentil in pill and crystal form. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, it's scary shit, man, because it's coming in from south of the border. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Yeah, it's clearly not a good drug. | ||
| People are making a lot of money, and they're getting their precursors for making these things. | ||
| They're getting them from China, and it's like, whoa. | ||
| I think the mess is a lot stronger now, too. | ||
| Pictures like this remind me of the D.A.R.E. program, and I'm like, that fucked me up so much with all the misinformation on drugs. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Does it say the amount? | ||
| Because I think it's a crazy amount. | ||
| It's 100 times more deadly than heroin, or 100 times more potent than heroin. | ||
| It says it's generally stated to be two milligrams in this article about what the lethal dose was. | ||
| Does it say what heroin is? | ||
| And aren't we at like 100,000 ODs a year or something now? | ||
| Yeah, it's the number one cause of death for young kids between 18 and 49 is fentanyl overdose. | ||
| Yeah, this is wild. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| 100,000 a year. | ||
| But meanwhile, how much does it take to overdose? | ||
| Does it say? | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's not something that people are thinking about as a... | ||
| This is 200. 200? | ||
| As opposed to what? | ||
| No exact deadly dose. | ||
| Two to 200, you know, two milligrams it says. | ||
| Oh, so it is 100. Yeah, so it's 100. Yeah. | ||
| A hundred times stronger. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| And what's the answer? | ||
| I don't know what the answer is, man, because it's so deadly. | ||
| The problem with that is that's so easy to kill you. | ||
| If you fuck up, you take the wrong shit, you're done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Overall, I have no answer, but I know in San Francisco they need to arrest the dealers, force the people in rehab. | ||
| It won't fix it, but it would help a little bit. | ||
| Again, I don't think adults should be able to tell other adults what to do. | ||
| The problem with fentanyl is that it's real. | ||
| Well, they're causing problems. | ||
| I think that's the exception of them. | ||
| If you're using fentanyl and you're keeping your life together, then yeah, it shouldn't force you to rehab, which there are functional heroin addicts and whatnot. | ||
| There's definitely functional heroin addicts, but are there functional fentanyl heads? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I guess I don't think people really share the fact that they're using fentanyl. | ||
| There must be like the OG, the GOAT. For sure. | ||
| They just know how to use it. | ||
| The GOAT of fentanyl. | ||
| There's probably a few people. | ||
| There's a Joey Diaz of fentanyl out there somewhere. | ||
| There's a few guys that can use small amounts, don't overdo it. | ||
| I'm sure it's out there, but it's not the norm. | ||
| No. | ||
| But what do you think should be done? | ||
| Do you think they should make it illegal? | ||
| I think with fentanyl, they have to. | ||
| Even most drugs, they don't feel that way. | ||
| I think they almost have to. | ||
| And then go after the dealers and force the people using it into rehab. | ||
| Or maybe force them into rehab for an infraction. | ||
| The problem is they let them steal, they let them crap on the street, they let them sleep on the street. | ||
| Something's got to be done. | ||
| I mean, LA was the same. | ||
| You see how it's out of control it is. | ||
| I think also the problem is a lot of these people that get forced into rehab, they don't want to be... | ||
| Some people do. | ||
| Some people realize they fucked up, they want to get better, and those people generally do get better. | ||
| But the people that you're forcing them in there... | ||
| And also, who knows what their childhood was like? | ||
| Are you forcing them in there because their childhood was horrific? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe isolate them to an area outside the city where you just give them an area and they can... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not ideal, but it's better than... | ||
| Because right now they just run rampant and terrorize the street, terrorize people, and that's clearly not the right answer. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, whatever San Francisco is doing, they should do the opposite. | ||
| Do the opposite, yeah. | ||
| Whatever the opposite is. | ||
| Yeah, just do the opposite of San Francisco is doing. | ||
| Austin's ran pretty smooth for a liberal city. | ||
| Well, they definitely cleaned it up when they got rid of the outdoor camping and they've made it a place where they've put a considerable amount of effort into housing homeless people and getting them sheltered and getting them taken care of and getting them counseling. | ||
| But it's... | ||
| I talked to the mayor about it. | ||
| It was like it's... | ||
| There's a problem in Austin, but it's a problem of like 2,000 plus people. | ||
| When it gets to LA size, that's when you can't manage. | ||
| Yeah, they let San Francisco and LA go so far that where would you even begin to tackle it now? | ||
| I think LA's worse. | ||
| Have you been to Skid Row? | ||
| Not in years, luckily, but it was terrible before. | ||
| I haven't been to it since the Fear Factor days. | ||
| I was filming Fear Factor down there, but I have friends that have been recently, and they say, you can't even imagine what it looks like now. | ||
| Have you been to Venice Beach in the last couple years? | ||
| I haven't, but I've been watching videos. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It used to be just like so nice, like probably one of the most popular beaches in the world. | ||
| I went out there and I'm just like, what is going on? | ||
| This is insane. | ||
| They're like crazy people fucking start camping. | ||
| There's tents all along the beach now. | ||
| And people just might clean that up. | ||
| Did they? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why did they clean that up? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just remember when we were there, I'd ask someone and they said, like, here, I'll show you. | ||
| They said, look at the video of live. | ||
| It's just live camera. | ||
| We'll see how long that lasts, though. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| It'll start switching around, too. | ||
| The camera will switch around? | ||
| Yeah, it'll show different angles of the boardwalk and whatnot. | ||
| Yeah, it was there a few months ago and it wasn't cleaned up. | ||
| Was this a place where there was all tents? | ||
| Yeah, that's right by the skate park, right? | ||
| I like the main part. | ||
| The tents are more further out. | ||
| Yeah, this is like more in, the tents are further out. | ||
| What I saw was like on the edge of the water. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm just saying, I've seen video of this stuff and it's pretty fucking clean. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's great that they cleaned it up. | ||
| I haven't been to Venice. | ||
| I'm skeptical. | ||
| I haven't been in quite a while. | ||
| But, oh, that looks pretty good. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That's just the water. | ||
| Why don't you Google, have they cleaned up the homeless problem in Venice? | ||
| That looks pretty good. | ||
| There's got to be a bunch of crazy people that are still hanging around there. | ||
| It was really bad in the last couple months, so I found it hard to believe they've cleaned it up. | ||
| Okay, look at that. | ||
| That was an area that used to be completely covered in tents. | ||
| There's probably still a few random people, but there always has been in Venice, you know? | ||
| That's a lot better. | ||
| So that's February. | ||
| That's months ago. | ||
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| So do you think that all those videos that were out and all the talk about it... | ||
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Nope. | |
| Is that a cop? | ||
| It's their scanner audio. | ||
| Live Venice... | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| See? | ||
| Look. | ||
| That's pretty good. | ||
| I wonder where they put them. | ||
| They killed him. | ||
| I'm not going to ask any questions. | ||
| They fed him to the other homeless people. | ||
| Yeah, what do they do? | ||
| How do you fix that? | ||
| I asked Annie because she moved over there. | ||
| I was like, well, you moved there. | ||
| Letterman did? | ||
| Yeah, I was like, what is it like? | ||
| She's like, it's fine. | ||
| I was like, really? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, that's good to hear because it was terrible when I was there. | ||
| If they're able to clean that up, there's some hope for everywhere. | ||
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Wow. | |
| They probably pushed them all into Skid Row or something. | ||
| The thing about Skid Row is there's so many fucking people there that you can't imagine. | ||
| See if you can find a video of Skid Row like now. | ||
| The horrors. | ||
| Schellenberger was talking about that place, too. | ||
| Like, the horrors that you would see there. | ||
| This is actually, I think, the same day, February 11th, 2022. Yeah, that's how it looked when I was there, in Venice. | ||
| See, this is horrible. | ||
| This is downtown. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| I mean, this is tents everywhere. | ||
| Imagine if that's your business. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| That place is right there. | ||
| That's what some of my friends' businesses in San Francisco are. | ||
| Like, that's their business, and the tents are right there in front of it. | ||
| A market. | ||
| So you have a market, and right in front of the market, you have basically these tent communities, and some of them are like shacks. | ||
| Like, they build their own shack. | ||
| Yeah, there's not- Look at that. | ||
| It's not most people down on this block. | ||
| It's mostly drug addicts, too. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And why wouldn't they? | ||
| If they can just live there, and then go wherever the fuck they want- You might as well smoke fentanyl if you're leaving there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, look at these things. | ||
| These are like shacks. | ||
| They get tarps, and they set up posts. | ||
| They're like wall tents. | ||
| It's really wild that they've allowed this to get to this point. | ||
| And how no one made a course correction. | ||
| Like, no one said, hey, we've got to fix this. | ||
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Let's put all our resources... | |
| They're not even really talking about fixing it either. | ||
| It seems to be like no plans of changing direction. | ||
| They just keep throwing more money at it. | ||
| And the money makes it worse, because what do they do with the money? | ||
| I think they just, people at the top steal it. | ||
| Oh, well, we found that from Coleon Noir, too. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he was explaining that he went to San Francisco and he was talking to this other guy and he was like, you know, what is it? | ||
| Is it a budget issue? | ||
| And the guy was like, no, no, no. | ||
| No, there's a shitload of money being spent on it. | ||
| But there's no incentive to fix it because there's all these people that are working on the homeless problem that are making six figures plus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's people that he was showing people that were working in L.A. that were making a quarter million dollars a year. | ||
| Working on the homeless situation. | ||
| To fix the homeless, yeah. | ||
| But the homeless situation is not getting any better, right? | ||
| It was just getting worse and worse. | ||
| The numbers were piling up, and these people were making Boku dinero. | ||
| They were living fat in the hog. | ||
| It's going to turn into industry, like the pharmaceutical company is trying to make you healthy. | ||
| Well, it does become an industry whenever someone can make a living doing something. | ||
| Like, they have zero incentive to fix it. | ||
| Because then, what are they going to do? | ||
| I've got to find another job? | ||
| Yeah, get paid $250 a year, go make $100K doing something else, I'll pass. | ||
| I'd be like, slow down, Jake. | ||
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We don't have to fix all these people. | |
| Let's keep these homeless people, Joe. | ||
| Let's go recruit some. | ||
| I'd be recruiting homeless people. | ||
| I'd be selling fentanyl. | ||
| I'd be like, I need more people out here fucked up. | ||
| You get a raise. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| More money thrown at it. | ||
| I'm in the homeless business. | ||
| Business is good. | ||
| Yeah, it really is turning into a big business in San Francisco and LA and these places, and that's the problem. | ||
| I don't know how they fix it at this point. | ||
| And I think the amount of time that it took from 2016 to 22, how bad it went in six years, how many years does it take for it to get better? | ||
| You would need a hardliner like Rudy Giuliani there, but San Francisco probably wouldn't put something like that in. | ||
| But that's the only real hope. | ||
| Someone just hardline with a hardline police force, a DA, they'd have to all be working together, and then they could clean it up quick, but that's the only solution. | ||
| Yeah, and then people would get mad. | ||
| You fascists! | ||
| Yeah, Nazis! | ||
| Berkeley would not tolerate that. | ||
| You don't want to be robbed! | ||
| They'll literally say things there like, oh, he needed it more than you. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard that. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| I've heard that argument, you know? | ||
| If someone robbed you, it's because they needed it more than you. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's because of income inequality. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Or maybe criminals. | ||
| Those are always real, right? | ||
| If you want to get to the source of criminals... | ||
| I'm all with you. | ||
| You know, if you want to, like, clean up communities and get people happier and healthier, I'm on board. | ||
| But you can't just, like, allow it because there's bad stuff in the past. | ||
| Because their childhood sucked and their communities where they grew up was crime-ridden and gang-ridden and drug-ridden. | ||
| Because of that, they became who they are. | ||
| I understand that 100%. | ||
| But you can't just allow them to just do that over and over again because of that. | ||
| You can't... | ||
| That's not... | ||
| That's like the opposite of compassionate. | ||
| Like, you're just gonna make it worse. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree. | ||
| I think you need to put, like, lots of money in those, like, high-crime areas for education, after-school programs, stuff like that, and more funding the police, not less. | ||
| Have the police come in and do boxing programs with the kids. | ||
| I did a program in San Francisco for a minute with my friend Tarek. | ||
| He set it up where it was like he would get the kids to play, like, football and sports, and he'd bring the cops in To interact with the kids in the bad communities. | ||
| And the kids and cops, we did it with them. | ||
| They'd be playing along, playing football, getting along, things like that. | ||
| You're like, oh, this is what can actually help. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Yeah, that's what needs to be done. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| Yeah, that was one program that I volunteered for. | ||
| I'm like, wow, this feels like it actually can make a difference. | ||
| It definitely can for the kids that it impacts, that it touches. | ||
| It's just there's not enough of that. | ||
| But if that's what anybody wants to do, yeah, that's a great idea. | ||
| Yeah, I think more of this stuff could definitely help. | ||
| Get kids when they're young in the right direction. | ||
| Because sometimes kids just need a little push to do something they love. | ||
| Can you imagine, though, that if you put people in charge of cleaning up a community, but that was a job. | ||
| The job was the community has to be cleaned up, not the community's clean. | ||
| So the incentive would be for them to not totally fix it, but keep it, we're doing better, we're making progress, but never really tighten it down, because then you'd be out of work again. | ||
| It's like the same thing as a homeless czar. | ||
| Have it where you get a big bonus if you complete your job. | ||
| You get a million dollar bonus. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's how you'd fix it. | ||
| Have them so they get a fat paycheck, like a big bonus, if they fix the homeless problem. | ||
| Like, hey, fix it. | ||
| Give them 20 million. | ||
| Do you know how crazy that would be if you had... | ||
| Like, you had bids. | ||
| You know, they have, like... | ||
| When Halliburton had no-bid contracts in Iraq, people were outraged, right? | ||
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| Because here it is. | ||
| You got this guy who's the vice president, Dick Cheney, and he used to be the CEO of Halliburton. | ||
| Now, all of a sudden, Halliburton gives these no-bid contracts to clean up shit that he bombed? | ||
| Yeah, unreal. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| But imagine if they had that same sort of a situation in Los Angeles. | ||
| And they said, listen, This is our homeless problem. | ||
| The homeless problem costs us a lot of money. | ||
| It's a really bad problem for tourism. | ||
| It's bad for crime. | ||
| It's public safety, all the EMTs and ambulance and hospitals and overdoses and all this stuff. | ||
| We want to clean this up. | ||
| But we're going to give you a bonus. | ||
| We're going to give you guys, like, if you can fix this by measurable numbers, we'll give you a huge payout. | ||
| Because think about how much money it costs. | ||
| Oh, it costs so much money. | ||
| I think in San Francisco they spend like, I don't know the exact numbers, but $60,000, $70,000 per homeless person. | ||
| I think it's more. | ||
| Yeah, and it's way more to house the person, but the problem is housing isn't the problem. | ||
| It's drug addiction. | ||
| They're trying to act like the problem's not what the actual problem is. | ||
| Right, that's true. | ||
| They try to pretend that it's a house. | ||
| It's a housing issue. | ||
| They're the unhoused. | ||
| No, they're drug addicts. | ||
| It's an open-air drug market. | ||
| They're drug addicts. | ||
| But how would you fix it without any horrific, dystopian, totalitarian solution? | ||
| How would you fix it without going full Mad Max? | ||
| I think you're going to have to rest a bunch of them and be hard-lined, and then a lot of them would probably start leaving other places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they'd probably go somewhere else. | ||
| Then they'd go to Oakland. | ||
| Can you imagine if they allowed them to go to Oakland, but they cleaned up San Francisco? | ||
| I mean, I don't like Oakland that much, so I'd be happy. | ||
| Works for me. | ||
| Could you fucking imagine if they made money doing that, and then they fixed it? | ||
| No, that would be a lot more likely to fix it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you just give them yearly bonuses if they're hitting their metrics. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And you could probably justify it because you could say, listen, the homeless situation costs us X amount of billion dollars a year. | ||
| Okay, let's ask this. | ||
| Let's just take a guess. | ||
| How much does the homeless problem cost San Francisco every year? | ||
| It has to be hundreds of millions. | ||
| Hundreds? | ||
| Hundreds of millions. | ||
| Yeah, for sure hundreds of millions. | ||
| Jamie, let's look this up. | ||
| Cost in what way, though? | ||
| What's the cost of the homeless problem? | ||
| So it'll be more than what they put, because also the chased away tourists, the damage is done to place, so you won't really be able to quantify the exact cost, but just what they put in is probably a few hundred million. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What is the financial consequences of the homeless problem of San Francisco? | ||
| How much does homelessness cost San Francisco per year? | ||
| Got anything? | ||
| It's a weird question. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| What returns isn't going to give you what you want. | ||
| Yeah, because it won't quantify the chase away tourism and all that. | ||
| I've seen people say the homeless situation has cost San Francisco upwards of X amount of dollars per year. | ||
| That's probably just the money they throw at it though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you add in the scared away tourists and damaged property and theft and all that, who knows what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So let's say it's a billion dollars. | ||
| If you tell a company, if you can clean this up, we'll give you a billion dollars. | ||
| You will make one billion dollars. | ||
| So we'll double it, but you will have no problem anymore. | ||
| You clean this up. | ||
| You have a measurable metric. | ||
| You get down to about 500 homeless people. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, it'd be great. | ||
| And then you'd have a nice city. | ||
| Then they'd do it. | ||
| And then you'd find out three years later what they actually did. | ||
| They made biscuits. | ||
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| And then they'd start, I'll pretend like I didn't see it. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| They would definitely. | ||
| If you can get some ruthless company to do it. | ||
| ODM all and fentanyl. | ||
| Yeah, it would be like that Soylent Green movie. | ||
| They'd turn them into cookies. | ||
| Turn people into, like, snacks. | ||
| This doesn't answer it in the other way. | ||
| They talk about how much money it takes to solve the problem, not how much money they've been spending fixing it. | ||
| What does it say to solve the problem? | ||
| How much does it take? | ||
| This article from last year says, the tab needed to solve the most persistent problem, a one-time investment of $9.3 billion, according to this new report. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| If it's a yearly budget, then you start going down. | ||
| If you spend the whole budget, you're not going to get that much money next year because you've showed that you fixed the problem. | ||
| The city will spend the money other ways. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you go just under, or whatever. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| You've juked the numbers. | ||
| That's the weird thing with WBCs. | ||
| Yeah, you would definitely never fix it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Especially if it's... | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| If you're the government, your incentive is to never fix it. | ||
| But if you're a private business, and this is what you do, you fix cities. | ||
| This, for instance, says safe parking sites for people that live in their vehicles, investments into mental health. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Increasing safe parking sites. | ||
| If you can get in it, that means a homeless person can get in it. | ||
| How is that safe? | ||
| Yeah, they go through the parking structures and still rob everyone. | ||
| Unless you have armed guards patrolling the parking structures, shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's not safe. | ||
| I think this is increasing. | ||
| This is me making new parking lots for them to park in and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, but it says increasing safe parking sites for those living in vehicles and upping the investment into mental health and substantive drug abuse programs. | ||
| So they're saying safe places for people to live in their car to park. | ||
| But how many of them live in their car? | ||
| Yeah, most of them don't have cars. | ||
| They trade their cars for drugs. | ||
| Okay, so let's say you have a small amount that live in caravans, right? | ||
| Those folks that live in those mobile campers. | ||
| We used to have a lot of them. | ||
| In L.A. near our old studio. | ||
| Is that a different type of homeless? | ||
| They're also addicted to drugs? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were the same kind of guys. | ||
| There was a lot of hard partying dudes. | ||
| And if you choose to live in a van like that, are you homeless? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| Because this guy was, the guy who parked in front of ours, it was like, he'd be like sunbathing on our lawn. | ||
| And we'd be like, hey man, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| There's like a whole movement of people on YouTube and Instagram that like van life is their thing. | ||
| They want to reduce their shit. | ||
| They want to be able to park in different parking lots and live at Walmart or whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a good question, right? | ||
| Because if you are that person and you travel around like Tom Green and you're with your dog and you take photos and you post it online, I don't see anything wrong with that. | ||
| I mean, to the extent where Elon gets shit for, like, I don't have a house. | ||
| I live in my friend's houses. | ||
| It's like the richest guy in the world and he's homeless. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| The difference is he could buy whatever fucking house he wants. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He doesn't want one. | ||
| Yeah, he's just nuts. | ||
| He's too smart. | ||
| But you live in a Mercedes Sprinter van that's got all the shower in it. | ||
| But you can't just park on the street in a residential neighborhood and lay on people's lawns. | ||
| You can. | ||
| Yeah, you can. | ||
| Not the lawn. | ||
| Not the lawn. | ||
| When you go there, you can. | ||
| But you can park on a street. | ||
| Yeah, you can park on some streets, but some streets don't allow overnight parking, so a lot of times they go to 24-hour grocery stores and they park in those parking lots. | ||
| You see them there sometimes, and sometimes they kick them out of those places. | ||
| It's a weird life. | ||
| Are they homeless? | ||
| They're not homeless. | ||
| If you've got a nice Sprinter van, you're not homeless. | ||
| You just live in a van. | ||
| You're homeless if you've got a... | ||
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Yeah, it's kind of kind of a home. | |
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you live in a tent, you're homeless. | ||
| But that's your home, the tent. | ||
| And I would take my fan, the nicest weather in the country, which is L.A. and San Francisco. | ||
| Definitely L.A. San Francisco gets cold, son. | ||
| Yeah, San Francisco is not like regular California. | ||
| Get bored in L.A. Yeah, that's true. | ||
| You want to mix it up. | ||
| I'm just saying, how many more are adding to that? | ||
| Or are they? | ||
| And then if your van breaks down, next thing you know, you are homeless. | ||
| Then you're homeless. | ||
| Then you have a tent. | ||
| But if your van breaks down, you're still inside of it. | ||
| So it's still better than a tent. | ||
| It's a hard-sided tent. | ||
| Toed it while you were gone at work for one day. | ||
| You lost it. | ||
| Now you're homeless. | ||
| How do they not get robbed in those places? | ||
| Because everyone steals everything. | ||
| How do they not get their cars broken? | ||
| I'm sure they rob each other too, man. | ||
| I'm sure there's a lot of violence in those communities. | ||
| If you're dealing with people who are on meth and partying... | ||
| I mean, I've seen videos of them beating the shit out of each other and doing horrible things to each other. | ||
| I remember when San Francisco was on full lockdown in COVID, I drove through the Tenderloin and they were having crackhead block parties. | ||
| I wish I would have filmed it, but when you film there, the drug dealers come and yell at you. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| Crackhead block parties and probably not even remotely worried about COVID. Oh, no. | ||
| That's why I say, I'm like, the crackheads are surviving, I'm going to be okay. | ||
| When Chris Christie survived, I was like, jeez, I'm going to be fine. | ||
| Yeah, if that guy dies, it's embarrassing if I do. | ||
| Well, if he died, it would be embarrassing if you did. | ||
| If he, rather, didn't die. | ||
| If he didn't die, it would be embarrassing if he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, when big fat people got it and were fine, I was like, hmm, this is beatable. | ||
| Yeah, I think I'm going to survive it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Tenderloin was always a sketchy place, but did it get way sketchier during COVID? Well, more of what happened is, yeah, it got a little sketchier there, but just the Tenderloin area basically sprawled across the whole city. | ||
| Because before, when was the last time you were in San Francisco? | ||
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| It's been a few years. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So now, like, there's this tents in, like, not every neighborhood, but, like, lots of neighborhoods. | ||
| There'll be tent cities everywhere, people doing crack, crazy people walking around. | ||
| So, like, the whole city is turning into tenderloin. | ||
| Obviously, tenderloin's still worse, but it's, like, sprawled out everywhere. | ||
| Why are people still living there, though? | ||
| I moved. | ||
| Do you think that people are living there just out of hope that it gets better? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Like Stockholm Syndrome, you kind of don't realize how bad it is until you leave. | ||
| You kind of get stuck where you're just stuck in a rut and you think, oh, this is normal. | ||
| It's normal to get my car broken into every month and to worry about getting robbed and not being able to wear my watch out. | ||
| How did you wind up going to Vegas? | ||
| Just because I had a lot of friends there in the fight world. | ||
| It made sense. | ||
| It was an easy move. | ||
| I was thinking about here or Vegas, but I didn't really know anyone here. | ||
| Didn't know as much going on. | ||
| I'm like, oh, Vegas, I'll be able to figure out... | ||
| It'll be easier to figure out business and work. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There's a lot of fight business in Vegas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My God, I mean... | ||
| Yeah, for doing stuff in the fight industry, it all just comes through there. | ||
| And then also... | ||
| A lot of the cannabis industry comes through here, and I work with High Rollers, do a little stuff in the cannabis industry as well. | ||
| Shout out to High Rollers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that fucking event. | ||
| I just love the idea behind it, that they get barbecued. | ||
| Yeah, I think I just got them a deal on UFC Fight Pass. | ||
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| It isn't finalized yet, but I'm meeting with all the execs in suits. | ||
| Oh, that would be amazing. | ||
| I brought them there at the worst time. | ||
| I walk them into High Rollers. | ||
| We don't smoke as much anymore. | ||
| A guy walked out with a blower with a pound in there and just smoked out the whole room. | ||
| And then you guys had a meeting? | ||
| I think I just lost this deal. | ||
| It took a few months after that to get the meeting. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, those guys go too hard. | ||
| With a blower? | ||
| Yeah, we don't do that anymore because it smoked out the whole room. | ||
| You couldn't breathe when you were competing. | ||
| The highest I have ever been on a podcast was with Be Real. | ||
| When I did... | ||
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Smokebox? | |
| Smokebox, right? | ||
| That's what he calls it? | ||
| B-Real Smokebox? | ||
| He's got a car, and they have a setup inside the car, and there's the cameras in there. | ||
| And so we got high first. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Like, barbecued. | ||
| And then you get in the car, and everyone keeps smoking. | ||
| And they just keep smoking. | ||
| I'm like, oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, it happened to me once when Nick and Nate talked me into smoking right before in a hotbox car. | ||
| We just got so lit. | ||
| Remember, they put me in. | ||
| I'm in the cage. | ||
| My gloves taped on, headgear taped on. | ||
| Looking across at Nick, and I'm like, wait, I gotta fight this guy right now? | ||
| I got so scared. | ||
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We're barbecued here. | |
| I'm so high, I already stopped smoking. | ||
| I'm just going, let me off. | ||
| It's legit in terms of... | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy how much some people can smoke. | ||
| Those guys can put it down. | ||
| Is Nick fighting again? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| For his last fight, obviously, he wasn't in the best situation mentally and stuff, so I would like to see him fight again, but I'd like to see him do a proper camp, so... | ||
| I just saw something yesterday. | ||
| That's why I was going to ask. | ||
| Something that said Nick Diaz plans to return. | ||
| I think he wants to, but I really hope he does a proper camp and does it right. | ||
| What did he do for the last one? | ||
| Not much. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think he was just going through some tough times in his life. | ||
| I don't really want to get into his personal life too much, but I think he was going through... | ||
| It was a tough time, and I don't think I would have liked to have pulled the fight and moved it back personally. | ||
| Coach, expect Nick Diaz to fight by the end of the year. | ||
| Coach Cesar Gracie gives an update on his longtime protege, MMA veteran, and fan favorite Nick Diaz. | ||
| Yeah, so people were thinking that he was kind of heavy, and that's why the fight wound up being—they fought at 85, right? | ||
| I think they moved to 85, yeah. | ||
| Which Lawler's a big guy, too, so I'm sure he didn't mind. | ||
| Oh, he's probably so happy he didn't have to cut, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I think a lot of it was his motivation. | ||
| He was kind of like pushed into the fight. | ||
| The fight happened so quick and he hadn't been training at all. | ||
| Then all of a sudden he's like fighting in two months. | ||
| It was just kind of rushed. | ||
| He didn't have a chance to do a camp. | ||
| No, because Nick's like a brother. | ||
| I really hope he fights again, but he needs to make sure to properly do a camp. | ||
| The amount of love that that guy gets is off the charts. | ||
| When they see him... | ||
| People love him. | ||
| When they introduce him during that fight too, the whole audience went crazy. | ||
| Yeah, he's an absolute legend. | ||
| Everyone loves Nick Diaz. | ||
| He's a very important part of the history of MMA. And if people don't realize what a big party is, you need to watch him in the Strikeforce days. | ||
| Because when he was a Strikeforce champion, watch the Frank Shamrock fight. | ||
| You know, watch Paul Daly. | ||
| That's probably the best one-round fight I've ever seen. | ||
| Amazing fight. | ||
| Cyborg. | ||
| The Cyborg fight. | ||
| Gomi, yes. | ||
| Watch those days. | ||
| He's a true legend. | ||
| He's a legend. | ||
| That's why everyone loves him. | ||
| Some people forget how great he was. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The Paul Daly fight is an insane fight. | ||
| Because Daly has one of the best left hands in the history of the sport. | ||
| Daly was a thunderous striker. | ||
| He was so dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, he's tough. | ||
| So, Henderson hit you hardest? | ||
| Probably Henderson, yeah, but he landed clean. | ||
| Daly didn't land anything too clean. | ||
| He popped me with a jab that was like, oh, wow, this guy's got some power. | ||
| I better take him down and tap him out. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he knocked out Lorenzo Larkin. | ||
| He's a savage. | ||
| Yeah, amazing power. | ||
| And so Nick just went at him. | ||
| In that fight. | ||
| You watched that fight? | ||
| Nick just swarmed him. | ||
| And just the volume of strikes, like you could see, like, that kind of fight is where he thrived. | ||
| He got dropped in that fight. | ||
| Drop came back up and just overwhelmed him. | ||
| But even when he got dropped, he's like moving around on the ground, avoiding the ground pound, gets back up, and he talks so much shit to guys. | ||
| Yeah, during the sparring. | ||
| They're talking shit. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| That's one of the things that Frank Shamrock said about fighting. | ||
| I'm like, you can't believe he's talking shit to you while he's beating you up. | ||
| Yeah, it just adds humiliation to it. | ||
| Also, like, frustration. | ||
| Like, it's hard to, like, keep your head straight. | ||
| Yeah, that, the Gomi fight's one of my favorite fights. | ||
| That one was amazing. | ||
| That was incredible when he tapped out Gomi. | ||
| And he got cracked right before that too, remember? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that was when Gomi was Gomi, you know? | ||
| Yeah, when he was one of the best in the world. | ||
| Oh my god, Gomi was one of those guys from Japan that was so fierce. | ||
| Sakurai was another one. | ||
| I fought him. | ||
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| That was my first big win. | ||
| I'd never left the country, never been on a plane, and I flew out to Japan. | ||
| With Nick Diaz, that was wild. | ||
| What was the event? | ||
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Shudo. | |
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, he was ranked number two in the world at the time. | ||
| I was completely unknown. | ||
| That was like, for me, that's one of my most memorable fights, even though most people in the U.S. didn't watch it. | ||
| It was such a cool experience. | ||
| Well, there was a stretch of time where he was the fucking man. | ||
| I mean, he was the man. | ||
| Yeah, some of those Japanese guys were so good. | ||
| Yeah, he was very good. | ||
| I mean, that was what was a really interesting time about MMA, where there was Vali Tudo Japan, right, in the 90s, and then there was Pride, there was Shudo, Deep, K1. There was a lot of shit going on over there. | ||
| It was massive in Japan. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The fucking pride, when they would have those fights at the Saitama Super Arena, and you would see like 90,000 people for an MMA event. | ||
| Yeah, that's like bigger than the one in Toronto, right? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yes, like by 40,000 or 30,000 people. | ||
| What was Toronto? | ||
| I think 60 or something. | ||
| So 30,000 people more. | ||
| Jesus, that's insane. | ||
| 30,000! | ||
| Yeah, that's just madness. | ||
| That's two MGMs. | ||
| It's weird how fighting just completely dropped off in Japan. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| I think because they had yakuza ties, and once that got exposed, they cut their TV deals and just died out. | ||
| That makes no sense to me. | ||
| Because Japan has always been this warrior culture. | ||
| I mean, Japan is responsible for judo, jujitsu, karate. | ||
| Like, so many origins of styles came from Japan. | ||
| Yeah, it's one of the birthplaces, one of the greatest martial arts. | ||
| I mean, Aikido, there was so much that they developed over there. | ||
| For them to be at the top, because it was bigger in Japan than the UFC was in America at the time. | ||
| Because we're dealing with a time where the UFC had not had the ultimate fighter yet. | ||
| So from 2005 on, the UFC is a different thing. | ||
| Because then the UFC became mainstream in America. | ||
| But in the early days, when Fedor was the king, when Noguera was the champ... | ||
| Yeah, when I went to Japan, I was so thrilled. | ||
| I was like, oh, I made it. | ||
| I'm in Japan now. | ||
| It was like 10,000, 15,000 people. | ||
| It wasn't Pride-sized, Shudo, but it was still big arenas. | ||
| They loved it. | ||
| It was like, wow, this is unreal. | ||
| They came to meet me at an event once, and they offered me a job for commentating on Pride. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you think about it? | ||
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| Or you didn't want to backtab the UFC? No chance. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| That wouldn't be a good move. | ||
| Wasn't interested. | ||
| Not interested. | ||
| But it was cool. | ||
| It was cool that they wanted me to do it, but I wasn't interested. | ||
| I'm sure in the back of your head you'd love to, but it would have burn bridged you with the UFC. I wasn't interested. | ||
| I wasn't interested in flying all the way over there. | ||
| That's a long-ass flight to do all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they were having those events pretty often. | ||
| You know, the interesting thing about Pride, too, is they were having events where you wouldn't even know who was fighting until like a week or two weeks before. | ||
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| And then all these fights were announced. | ||
| You're like, whoa, he's on the card, dude. | ||
| Just wild cards. | ||
| They had some insane fights. | ||
| To this day, I'll go re-watch like Fedor versus Noguera or Fedor versus Krokop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it Shogun and Little Fatal? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Yeah, Shogun and Little Nog. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| That was a war. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| How about Rampage versus Ricardo Arona? | ||
| That was another, yeah. | ||
| The craziest slam in the history of the sport. | ||
| Off the triangle, right? | ||
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| He probably just dipped him. | ||
| That was when Rampage was Rampage. | ||
| You know, when Rampage was in his prime. | ||
| Yeah, Pride was great. | ||
| Pride and UFC were equal. | ||
| It was like, which one's better was the debate. | ||
| I think it's the worst knockout I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| If you think about bad knockouts, you think about like head kicks, and you think about like punches, but I think the worst knockout I ever saw was Rampage slams Ricardo Arona. | ||
| Did Rowan ever really recover from that in his career? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think that might have been kind of... | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| I mean, that is straight insanity. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
| Look how he picks him up. | ||
| How strong, how straight that is. | ||
| He's in the triangle, but he slams him and then headbutts him inadvertently on the way down and then punches him in the face a couple of times. | ||
| But it's the slam itself, the amount of fucking torque. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| I mean, dude. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I mean, that has to be... | ||
| So bad for you. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if he really did much in his career after that. | ||
| No, watch this again. | ||
| Bang! | ||
| I mean, that's crazy to watch. | ||
| I mean, how is he not dead? | ||
| Yeah, unfortunately, I never got to fight in Pride. | ||
| I mean, that might be... | ||
| I think that is. | ||
| I think that's the worst knockout I've ever seen. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| I mean, that and then the head collides with him too, on the way down. | ||
| What, how long he was out for? | ||
| Oh my god, probably a year. | ||
| I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, you wouldn't want to spar after that. | ||
| You probably would never be the same again. | ||
| That's a kind of car accident type of KO, where it's so much force. | ||
| When you're up in the air and then completely slammed out. | ||
| At least it was on a ring instead of like, you know, imagine if that was the concrete, he'd probably be dead. | ||
| Oh my god, he'd be dead. | ||
| He'd be dead. | ||
| He'd be dead. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, that's why you don't do a triangle in a street fight. | ||
| Yeah, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Or let go if they stand up. | ||
| Or you don't fuck with a judo guy in a street fight, you know? | ||
| Somebody knows judo really well, like if Ronda Rousey spiked you on your fucking head. | ||
| Yeah, that would not be good on the concrete. | ||
| A street fight with clothes too, like a winter jacket. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not a gi guy. | ||
| I would hate that. | ||
| That would probably be the worst thing that could ever happen to you. | ||
| Someone with a judo background grabs you and you have a winter coat. | ||
| Just chuck you. | ||
| They hit you with the earth. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| And then pick you up and do it again. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Yeah, it would not be good. | ||
| Yeah, fuck. | ||
| When you think about the other things about Pride that made it insane was the soccer kicks and the stomps, you know? | ||
| Those are fun from a fan's perspective. | ||
| Remember when Melvin Manhoof fought Sakuraba? | ||
| I'm trying to remember that one. | ||
| He kicked him in the face. | ||
| It was horrific. | ||
| One of the worst, most ruthless, I want to say... | ||
| He didn't win that. | ||
| He won one fight where someone almost had him out like that, but I don't think it was Mannhoff. | ||
| I think Manhoof. | ||
| This is also Manhoof when he was in crime. | ||
| This guy was vicious strikers. | ||
| Absolutely vicious. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Because this is probably like, I want to say this, like 2004 or 2005. He beats the shit out of him and then knees him in the head and soccer kicks him. | ||
| And this is also Sakuraba. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Ground and pound. | ||
| This is like after he fought Van Der Lea. | ||
| They made him fight three times, right? | ||
| Yeah, Van Der Lea KO'd him real bad. | ||
| Vanderlei had KO'd him real bad. | ||
| And then Pride made him keep fighting him. | ||
| That's kind of the end of his career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, why did they make him keep fighting Vanderlei? | ||
| That was when Vanderlei was the axe murderer. | ||
| I think they wanted him to win it so bad, they kept like, oh, try again. | ||
| Or he pissed somebody off. | ||
| Melvin was just such a ruthless striker, and he was kill or be killed. | ||
| Melvin was such a good striker. | ||
| Look at that head kick and then hit him with a punch afterwards. | ||
| Melvin was so good too. | ||
| And Melvin was so good that he knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was that K-1 or was that a pride? | ||
| I think it was Pride. | ||
| I think it was Pride. | ||
| But Melvin weighed like 190. Mark Hunt was like 260. And Mark Hunt came charged at him. | ||
| And Mark Hunt is a K-1 Grand Prix champion. | ||
| And he KO'd him with one shot, which is just nuts. | ||
| Yeah, he's not an easy guy to KO. Boom! | ||
| Ooh, see that again? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| He comes charged at him. | ||
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Boom! | |
| Ooh, a hook. | ||
| I mean, just clipped him. | ||
| Who the fuck does that to Mark Hunt? | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Yeah, he's one of the most devastating strikers. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| The fact that he got clipped right here. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Oh, there it goes. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| Here, it's right here. | ||
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Boom. | |
| A left hook coming in and a right hand behind it. | ||
| And he was already done with the left hook. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Like, his body just shuts off. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| The only person other than that who stopped, well, didn't Verdum stop Mark Hunt? | ||
| Stopped Mark Hunt with a flying knee? | ||
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Right. | |
| I think so. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Alistair, Alistair KO'd him with a vicious knee. | ||
| Alistair was a beast too, especially in Pride. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Back when he was on all the Saucy Sauce? | ||
| Horse meat. | ||
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Horse meat. | |
| I think he's back. | ||
| I think he's back at K1, or no, excuse me, Glory. | ||
| Hell yeah, let's get him giant again. | ||
| Let's get 300 pound Alistair back. | ||
| He looks big again. | ||
| Yeah, that guy was vicious. | ||
| They have a photo of him with a mohawk now. | ||
| He's got, like, saucy face, saucy neck. | ||
| He looks giant. | ||
| Yeah, I trained jujitsu with him one time in Abu Dhabi, one of the sheiks. | ||
| All of a sudden, the guy's, like, elbowing me, and I'm like, oh, this is a fun jujitsu. | ||
| He elbowed you? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He's saucy again. | ||
| Let me see that picture again. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's what's up. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Look at them biceps, son. | ||
| He's back. | ||
| Was he probably 6'6 or something, too? | ||
| Is that all that it is to that video, or is there more to that video? | ||
| There's not a lot to these. | ||
| These were even two months ago. | ||
| Bro, sauce. | ||
| And how tall is he? | ||
| He's a big fella. | ||
| Probably 6'6 or something? | ||
| He's at least 6'5. | ||
| He's very big. | ||
| He's tall and long. | ||
| I mean, when Alistair was a light heavyweight, he was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| But he was just too thin, and he was cutting weight. | ||
| Give me that picture again when he was wearing that shirt. | ||
| Just see it. | ||
| That's good enough. | ||
| Show me that again. | ||
| Just that one right there. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty saucy. | ||
| That's what I liked. | ||
| I liked Alistair when he fought Brock Lesnar. | ||
| And Mark Coleman. | ||
| I love that he was jacked. | ||
| When he was Uber-eam. | ||
| But when he won the K-1 Grand Prix, too, he was jacked then. | ||
| A little extra at the end. | ||
| Yeah, he looks good. | ||
| He wasn't that much bigger, honestly, than his UFC days, but he looks full. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gained a little weight. | ||
| It's also the problem is with guys like that when they do air quote supplements for so many years and then they get off of them. | ||
| Like, man. | ||
| Their natural levels are probably run down. | ||
| Yeah, their natural levels are fucked. | ||
| Like Vitor. | ||
| Remember when Vitor fought Chris Weidman? | ||
| And he just deflated. | ||
| He was just vicious for a minute when he was allowed to be on the TRT. He was just spinning, kicking people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude got a mohawk at like 40 years old. | ||
| That's how you know you got a lot of stasso in your body. | ||
| Yeah, he was buck wild in those days. | ||
| TRT Vitor is one of the most exciting fighters of all time. | ||
| Yeah, he was vicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's on the sauce again, too. | ||
| He just knocked out Evander Holyfield. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That was kind of sad, though, because Holyfield didn't look like he should have been fighting. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, he's 60. Yeah. | ||
| No matter who you are, at 60, wrap it up. | ||
| And it looked like his mental state wasn't 100% clear. | ||
| Dude, that guy went to war with George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Yeah, total legend fighting all those guys. | ||
| Bro, he went to war. | ||
| Yeah, that's what's sad to see him have to go back and fight at 60. I don't know if it's a money thing or probably a money thing, right? | ||
| Well, I'm sure it helps that there's a lot of money, but I think they love it too. | ||
| It's hard walking away. | ||
| As a fighter right now, how hard it is to walk away. | ||
| Sometimes you're like, oh, I could do this again. | ||
| But I'm like, you know what? | ||
| My life's good. | ||
| I don't need to. | ||
| Well, you could do a lot of other stuff. | ||
| And also, you're a pretty analytical guy. | ||
| You'll look at things in terms of what you should and shouldn't do with your life and what's good for your future. | ||
| Some guys just go, fuck it. | ||
| It's hard, you know, especially if you don't want much else going on, or maybe you go and blew all your money, you weren't smart with it, you didn't need money again, you didn't love fighting, it's like, ah, might as well do it. | ||
| What would you do ideally? | ||
| Like, if there was an ideal gig for you to do, what would you do other than fighting? | ||
| Like, like now or before? | ||
| Yeah, like right now. | ||
| I don't know, you know, I'm kind of, uh, I'm doing a lot of things I like, you know. | ||
| You're doing a lot of things. | ||
| The thing about fighters that don't fight anymore is they still train a lot. | ||
| Yeah, I still train almost every day. | ||
| That takes up a lot of time. | ||
| We were talking about how it's hard to train really hard and then do a podcast because your brain is still like, oh. | ||
| I've made that mistake before where I've come here after real hard workout sessions, especially after rolling. | ||
| A lot of times a hard jiu-jitsu session. | ||
| I train with someone like Gordon Ryan. | ||
| I'm like, I need a nap after. | ||
| Yeah, you get fucking exhausted. | ||
| Have you had a chance to train with Gordon at all? | ||
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No. | |
| No, I haven't. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Great teacher, too. | ||
| I mean, obviously... | ||
| He's a really good teacher. | ||
| His videos are fucking sensational. | ||
| But how crazy is that? | ||
| A guy who's 25 years old who's like... | ||
| Best in the world. | ||
| Best in the world and the best of all time. | ||
| Yeah, I would say you'd probably call him the best of all time at this point. | ||
| It's hard to say he's not. | ||
| Yeah, and that's a very bold statement to say, but I think he's got to be. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| But what a combination, too. | ||
| Him and Donaher together, and Gary Tonin and all those guys. | ||
| But the fact that Donaher being what he calls his cheat code. | ||
| What are the odds that a guy who's a freak athlete, he's a big giant fuck, who is super smart and super driven, meets the master splinter. | ||
| Worked out perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think Gary Tonin coached him for a while, too, so we already had him good. | ||
| I remember I met Gordon. | ||
| He was like a purple belt, but he was vicious. | ||
| I'm like, oh, man, this kid's going to get good. | ||
| Came back a year later, and I'm like, damn, this kid's good. | ||
| Isn't it funny, though, that something like that requires so much dedication? | ||
| Those guys train 365 days a year. | ||
| Seven days a week. | ||
| Remember when I was living in New York, they would train Saturday and Sunday. | ||
| You have to be fully locked in to do that. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| You have to be fully locked in in terms of your discipline, your goals, your future. | ||
| That shows you, if you want to be... | ||
| A lot of people say, oh, you need rest. | ||
| Oh, you need this. | ||
| Oh, you need that. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe you do. | ||
| Or maybe you need to be so fucking dedicated that that is all of your life. | ||
| That you're doing it seven days a week. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree. | ||
| You've got to be training all the time. | ||
| I think overtraining is real, but it's way over-exaggerated. | ||
| Way more people under-train than over-trained. | ||
| It's always the guys that aren't winning huge fights being like, oh, I don't want to over-train. | ||
| Most of the champions you watch them, they're grinding their ass off. | ||
| I think what over-training is, is you never develop the kind of cardio required to train at that level every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you do need lighter days, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I trained with John, not all the sessions were hard. | ||
| Sometimes he would recommend, like, hey, you guys can pick guys that aren't as good and just play around and try new stuff. | ||
| And that was actually very eye-opening for me because I always wanted to go with the best possible guy I could every round. | ||
| And then I realized sometimes they just go and just kind of play around, let guys pass their guard, put them in arm bars, try things. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, this is a very innovative method of training, different than I've been doing it. | ||
| Yeah, I think training with people that are fairly new definitely has benefits. | ||
| It's not good to do all the time, but one of the benefits is that you get to run many numbers on them. | ||
| Say if you want to tighten up an arm bar, you can hit an arm bar anytime you want. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| If you're rolling with a blue belt, you can let him think that he's swept you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And let him attempt to pass your guard and set up an arm bar. | ||
| Get him thinking that he's really doing it. | ||
| You can allow them to get to a five-step process. | ||
| You can allow them to get to step three and then work your way out of it and then try to tap them. | ||
| Yeah, and that's what I watched Gary and Gordon. | ||
| They would always let these guys come in and do really well with them. | ||
| But they were letting them. | ||
| These guys afterwards would be like, oh man, it's just so good with Gordon. | ||
| And I tapped the dude like eight times. | ||
| So I'm like, hmm, Gordon didn't tap you, huh? | ||
| Well, it's a thing where they're also exercising their brain because you're controlling your ego, and you're controlling this desire that you have to shut everything down and show this person they can't do anything to you. | ||
| You're allowing them to have a certain amount of success, and even maybe they could be delusional a little bit about it. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's really hard for athletes to do that. | ||
| That's why I try to get my guys to some days, like, hey, don't worry about it. | ||
| Let guys put you in bad positions, but it's hard because we're so competitive. | ||
| We just want to grind and always win everything. | ||
| Marcelo Garcia said that, too. | ||
| He said, though, to get better, it's very important that you open up your game in this school. | ||
| Like, at the academy, you have to open up your game. | ||
| And he was talking about that, like, you gotta be loose. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, after Gordon, he's probably, like, the second greatest of all time. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Man, when that guy burst onto the scene, I was there in 2003 when he won Abu Dhabi and watching him choke out Shaolin. | ||
| I was like, holy shit, man. | ||
| That one was in Brazil, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, his fucking back-taking, his arm-drag to back-taking was off the charts. | ||
| And one of the things about Marcelo that was so fascinating was not just that he was so technical. | ||
| He was so fast, but also that his legs... | ||
| Huge. | ||
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Huge legs. | |
| Everyone always thought he was way smaller than he was because he was heavy because it's all in his legs and ass. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which is wild because that was an important part of his grappling game. | ||
| The arms were just to get around your neck. | ||
| Because he would bounce up so quick. | ||
| It's almost like he would bounce off his ass and take your back. | ||
| Kind of wild, but I think that's just how he was built, right? | ||
| It's got to be mostly genetic, I think, the way he's built. | ||
| It doesn't seem like he did a lot of lifting weights with his legs, did he? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| My guess would be it's probably natural. | ||
| Because if you look at his upper body, he was never a big, giant, muscular guy. | ||
| Not like a Pablo Popovich. | ||
| No, that guy was the freakiest. | ||
| Holy crap, that guy was jacked. | ||
| Him and Pablo used to go to war all the time, remember? | ||
| They were like in the finals of what, like three Abu Dhabis, I think? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Yeah, that guy was like a fucking... | ||
| He was Aquaman, you know, like the comic book. | ||
| He was Superman. | ||
| Yeah, that guy was this unreal looking... | ||
| Shredded. | ||
| Another guy like that is Rodolfo Vieira. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That guy's ridiculous. | ||
| Like, whenever he fights in the UFC, first of all, I'm like, how the fuck are you 185 pounds? | ||
| You're so not 185 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Some of these guys suck out so much weight. | ||
| He's so big! | ||
| That guy's so jacked. | ||
| And he's such a fucking specimen. | ||
| You see him at 185, he's got giant delts and fucking traps. | ||
| And you're like, wow, you're so big! | ||
| Like, look at him! | ||
| Look at him there! | ||
| Holy crap. | ||
| Dude, what the fuck? | ||
| I mean, Vieira is so big. | ||
| But when he fought Anthony Hernandez, it's interesting because I think cutting the amount of weight that that guy cuts really fucks your endurance. | ||
| Yeah, because that guy went and he ended up tapping him too, right? | ||
| He did. | ||
| He caught him in a guillotine. | ||
| But Hernandez in his last fight showed insane cardio. | ||
| Like, that dude's got wild cardio. | ||
| Yeah, that guy's tough. | ||
| I trained with him. | ||
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He's tough. | |
| I had a gym one time. | ||
| I had no idea who he was and trained with him. | ||
| I'm like, oh, this guy's pretty tough. | ||
| And then I talked to him after. | ||
| He's like, oh, yeah, I'm in the UFC. He's tough. | ||
| Yeah, he's tough, and what I'm really impressed with him is everything. | ||
| But it's his endurance, man. | ||
| The fucking dude breaks people. | ||
| Like, his endurance is exceptional. | ||
| And that's how he got Vieira. | ||
| He just kept putting it on him, and then when he got him in a fucking arm and guillotine, I was like, there's no way. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| And then he taps. | ||
| He's like, what? | ||
| Yeah, kind of like Jacare getting armbarred. | ||
| It's crazy seeing some of these jiu-jitsu legends getting tapped out. | ||
| But worse, that's another guy, Andre Muniz. | ||
| He's fucking terrifying. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know much about him, but he's done that armbar a couple times, right? | ||
| Dude, he's fucking good. | ||
| He is good. | ||
| His jiu-jitsu is nasty. | ||
| And when he broke Jacare's arm, I was like, no fucking way! | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It's like unreal seeing that. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It was unreal seeing Jacare lose to somebody by submission. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Someone like him, though, maybe they focus too much on boxing. | ||
| I bet his jiu-jitsu is nowhere near what it was when he was winning Abu Dhabi. | ||
| It has to be, right? | ||
| You would think, but who knows? | ||
| But Jacare had fucking striking skills, too. | ||
| Remember when he knocked out Yushin Okami? | ||
| You're like, holy shit, Jacare has become a deadly stand-up fighter, too. | ||
| As good as he was on the ground, now he's fucking terrifying standing as well. | ||
| Yeah, scary dude. | ||
| A lot of good fighters now. | ||
| The 70-pound division is stacked right now. | ||
| What did you think of that Hamzat Chamayev-Gilbert Burns fight? | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| It was like a draw. | ||
| It was a 50-50. | ||
| I wouldn't want to be judging it. | ||
| That was such a war, though. | ||
| Such a war. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, real close to... | ||
| I mean, I'd have to go back and watch it and score it. | ||
| I went and watched it again. | ||
| The other night, I was working out and I watched it. | ||
| I was like, oh my god. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| But Hamzat had him in trouble, too. | ||
| They both had each other in trouble. | ||
| And Hamzat put a lot of pressure on him, but Gilbert dropped him and had him badly hurt. | ||
| And Gilbert hit him with more shots, too. | ||
| When they looked at the overall significant strikes, Gilbert landed more. | ||
| What a fight, though. | ||
| Yeah, that was such a fight. | ||
| I couldn't believe everyone was looking past Gilbert Burns. | ||
| I'm like, this guy is good. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| He was like 4-1 or 5-1 underdog or something crazy like that. | ||
| I'm like, man, this guy's stacked. | ||
| But that's how special Hamzat is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It showed he's the real deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the fact that people were looking past Gilbert Burns shows how good Chemayev is or how much people thought of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's great because Gilbert Burns is really good and he beat him. | ||
| That's such a tough weight right now. | ||
| He can't fight like that, though, forever. | ||
| Like that style of seek and destroy. | ||
| You have to be a little bit harder to hit for the elite of the division. | ||
| Don't you think? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I think he was just so used to steamrolling people that this is kind of a wake-up call. | ||
| But it showed he had heart and stuff. | ||
| My question was, does he have heart and cardio? | ||
| And he showed he has both. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| He's a live dog. | ||
| I mean, he's a real dog. | ||
| The way he fights, when he got clipped and dropped and immediately dives on the legs, he's not looking for a way out at all. | ||
| He was there ready to go to war. | ||
| And that's what you don't know until you're in a tough fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think about him and Covington? | ||
| I think that's what they're going to try to do. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good fight. | ||
| That's a tough one. | ||
| Maybe Cosmott? | ||
| Either way, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, who knows who's going to win that fight? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah, and what are they going to do with Bilal Muhammad, I wonder? | ||
| Because he just had that win. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| He's super good, too. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Beat Vicente Luque. | ||
| And not only did Bilal Muhammad beat Vicente Luque, but he beat Vicente Luque during Ramadan. | ||
| So he's fasting. | ||
| Oh, he was fasting? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah, Bilal's like a friend of mine. | ||
| Not really close, but I'm cool with him. | ||
| So I didn't even know he was fast. | ||
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| Yeah, man. | ||
| Fasting. | ||
| Yeah, he's observing Ramadan. | ||
| Yeah, because most of my friends, a lot of them do it, but they don't fight during Ramadan. | ||
| Super impressive. | ||
| Wow, what a lunatic. | ||
| I wonder how he does that, how he schedules the training and even the water consumption during the fight. | ||
| Because the water is the hard part. | ||
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Right. | |
| I think a lot of these guys, what they'll do, they'll train, like, or they'll do a light one, like, right before they eat, but not too heavy because they're dehydrated. | ||
| Then they'll go, right when it gets dark, eat, and then they'll digest a couple hours, then go do, like, a hard one. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Or just one hard one. | ||
| Some guys are saying they train at like midnight, train to like 2 or 3, go and sleep as long as you can during the day, so less time to fast. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| The thing about the water, not being able to drink any water while it's light out, that's the hardest on a professional athlete. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't know that was a thing. | ||
| So my trainer was Afghan, Muslim, Tariq Azim. | ||
| We'd spar sometimes and he couldn't drink water after. | ||
| I was like, oh man. | ||
| A lot of times we would train late in the day or at least he was going to spar me. | ||
| That way he could drink after or not too long after. | ||
| Well, I think they were very clever about that with certain fighters where if they're observing Ramadan, they don't give them big fights during April. | ||
| Yeah, most of those guys, they know not to book. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, for Balal, kudos to him for accepting a giant fight against a guy who knocked him out in the first encounter to a rematch. | ||
| He's trying to get it back. | ||
| And then also, it's like a very high-stakes fight because he's at the top of the food chain right now. | ||
| He beats Wonderboy, and then he beats Vicente Luque. | ||
| I mean, those are two gigantic wins. | ||
| And he beat Maya, too. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Before that. | ||
| He's on a huge streak right now. | ||
| Huge streak. | ||
| And I think he's like 10-1 in his last 11 fights. | ||
| I think it's that high. | ||
| And then he has that one great matchup with... | ||
| Who the fuck did he... | ||
| Oh, Leon Edwards. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Leon Edwards poked him in the eye. | ||
| Oh yeah, that was in no contest, right? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So maybe Leon Edwards has to be next for title fight, I would think. | ||
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I believe he is. | |
| He has to be. | ||
| Yeah, I think he is. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| Yeah, that's going to be good. | ||
| How great was that Nate Diaz fight? | ||
| So good. | ||
| When Nate cracked him in the last round and pointed out, I'm like, oh my God. | ||
| I think he didn't realize how hurt he was. | ||
| I think he thought he was faking it a little bit. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And then he realized it, and it was like, you know, he semi-recovered. | ||
| But that was like, oh, you'd have had him if you'd have came right at him. | ||
| He might have. | ||
| Can you imagine how crazy that bit if Nate would have knocked him out? | ||
| When he cracked him and rocked him, I remember thinking, oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, that kid's a superstar now. | ||
| When you go out with him, he just gets swarmed. | ||
| You know what that's like. | ||
| But it's just like, holy shit, this is overwhelming. | ||
| Is he gonna fight again? | ||
| Yeah, he wants to. | ||
| He's trying to work out a deal with the UFC. Does he try to do one more? | ||
| I think he wants to do a bunch more. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
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Really? | |
| He wants to keep fighting. | ||
| Oh, I thought he said one more fight. | ||
| He has one more fight on his UFC contract. | ||
| So he's saying, fight me so I can be a free agent or pay me a shitload of money. | ||
| Well, he did say, I want to be on that Bellator Hawaii card. | ||
| He said that. | ||
| He's a smart kid. | ||
| He knows he's worth a shitload of money. | ||
| Well, I hope he gets paid. | ||
| Are they trying to do Conor in him? | ||
| Because that's the fight to make. | ||
| That would be a big fight. | ||
| That's the fight to make, right? | ||
| Conor lost to Dustin, has a broken leg, takes all this time off. | ||
| Nate lost to Leon, but it was exciting as fuck in that last round, so the luster's still there. | ||
| That fight would be massive. | ||
| That would be a massive fight to make right now. | ||
| I know they could cut the winner in line for a title, probably. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| If Nate wins, could you imagine if Nate beats Conor and starts talking shit? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Nate's just so good at getting his name out there. | ||
| People don't understand how smart these kids are sometimes. | ||
| Well, that would be the big one for him. | ||
| If he could put that together, holy fuck. | ||
| Yeah, that would be a good fight. | ||
| That's exciting, too. | ||
| Even if they're not in line for a title, even if it doesn't make sense. | ||
| If people say, oh, they shouldn't be in line for a title. | ||
| So what? | ||
| They're the biggest draws. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| They were talking about if... | ||
| Conor comes back. | ||
| Conor fighting the winner of Oliveira vs. | ||
| Gaethje. | ||
| And everybody's like, fuck that! | ||
| And, you know, Islam Makachev was saying, no, that's my spot. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, but... | ||
| But it sells. | ||
| I mean, it's definitely not fair. | ||
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It's not fair. | |
| But you could see why Dana would do that, because that crazy sells. | ||
| If he came back and said, I want to fight Oliveira, or Gaethje, if Gaethje beats him, it depends on who wins. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who fucking knows, man? | ||
| Yeah, those are both interesting matchups. | ||
| What do you think about him calling out Kamaru Usman, though? | ||
| I mean, he's jacked. | ||
| He stands a shot. | ||
| I would pick Usman, but Conor can potentially knock anyone out in the first two or three minutes. | ||
| He's just so explosive, so accurate. | ||
| Never know. | ||
| But the thing with Usman is he doesn't get tired. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I would definitely favor Usman on that. | ||
| He's so big, too. | ||
| He's such a big 70. Yeah, he's kind of... | ||
| A guy like Conor started his career at 45 and then goes to 55. I'm sure he feels great at 70, but... | ||
| The natural frame, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's different, man. | ||
| How much different do you think the sport would be if there was no weight cutting? | ||
| It would be great, because sometimes you gas out from weight cutting, but it's like the most unfortunate part of fighting, because you have to. | ||
| It would be better for their brains, too. | ||
| It would be so much better. | ||
| For everything. | ||
| For your ability to take a shot, it would be better for your endurance, better for your health, better for your organs. | ||
| If we could find a way to get rid of it, it would be amazing, but we haven't been able to so far. | ||
| It seems so crazy. | ||
| They should just make it illegal. | ||
| Yeah, but how? | ||
| How do you monitor it? | ||
| See, when you make steroids illegal, you bring in USADA, you bring in the fucking water people, and they make sure that you have water in your body. | ||
| Kind of like 1FC is doing. | ||
| I don't know how 1FC is doing it, but something along those lines. | ||
| Some sort of a hydration test. | ||
| I hear people have ways to cheat that, too. | ||
| Do they, though? | ||
| That's what I hear. | ||
| Not to the same extent. | ||
| Maybe like 10 pounds versus 20, which that's probably a lot healthier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| If they do have... | ||
| Well, there's got to be a way to find out what a person optimally weighs. | ||
| Like, get in shape and find out what you ought... | ||
| If the UFC had a deal... | ||
| And they said, champions, we're not going to strip your title, but we want to find out what is your actual best walk-around fight weight. | ||
| And a lot of guys are going to lie, right? | ||
| They're going to say, oh, 185. And you can put them on a scale. | ||
| You're 215! | ||
| The fuck are you? | ||
| Do you fight 170? | ||
| You're 215! | ||
| There's a few of those guys. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Adolfo Vieira. | ||
| If you put him on a scale, he's not 185 pounds. | ||
| No, he's 220 probably. | ||
| 220. He's jacked. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| When I stand next to him, I'm like, how am I heavier than you? | ||
| That makes zero sense. | ||
| There's 55-pounders to get over 200. They do. | ||
| They do. | ||
| Some of these guys are just massive. | ||
| Well, did you see Aljamain? | ||
| Aljamain posted a picture of his scale. | ||
| He's 176. Holy shit. | ||
| He's almost my size. | ||
| 176, he's the 135-pound champ. | ||
| That's 40 pounds. | ||
| Damn, that's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But if there's a way to say to a guy, well, Adesanya, I guarantee you, does not get much heavier than 85. I mean, if he gets 200, I'd be shocked. | ||
| Yeah, because didn't he weigh in super light? | ||
| I think under when he fought 205s. | ||
| Yeah, I believe when he fought 205, he was under 200. Or in the neighborhood. | ||
| He was definitely under 205. But the point is he's not a guy who cuts a lot of weight. | ||
| He's just a guy that's technical and accurate and so good. | ||
| So he would be an exception because he's not a guy who starves himself to make the weight. | ||
| But if you found out what he weighed and said, Israel, what is your best optimal walk-around fight weight? | ||
| And he said it's 195. They go, okay. | ||
| You're the champ at 195 now. | ||
| No more weight cutting. | ||
| Great. | ||
| And you could do that to a bunch of different guys. | ||
| Yeah, but you'd probably have more weight. | ||
| You'd have more weight. | ||
| Because there's those 15-pound gaps, so you kind of get stuck in the middle. | ||
| But if you had 10 pounds, you could get people in the range of 10 pounds. | ||
| If you gave them like six months. | ||
| If you said, okay, your walk-around weight is 180, but we need you to get to 175. Can you get to 175 and you can fight for the title? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And have a title every 10 pounds. | ||
| So you allow people to cut a little bit of weight, but... | ||
| No radical 30-pound weight cuts. | ||
| None of that crazy shit where you're shuffling to the scale. | ||
| Travis Luter, when he fought Anderson, he didn't make the weight. | ||
| I'll never forget what he looked like. | ||
| He couldn't lift his legs up, man. | ||
| He was shuffling as he was walking. | ||
| His lips were cracked and just dried out and bleeding. | ||
| I was like, holy fuck, man. | ||
| Yeah, and it was brutal. | ||
| Sometimes the weight cut's worse than the fight. | ||
| If it's a bad weight cut, and then sometimes with your training partners, you're trying to get the weight off, and you're like, oh man, this is... | ||
| This is not fun. | ||
| This is not healthy. | ||
| Hopefully I don't kill this guy in the sauna. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem, right? | ||
| It was like you really are getting close to death. | ||
| You push yourself close to death in some of these huge weight cuts. | ||
| It's a scary thing. | ||
| Do you think it's possible to stop it, though? | ||
| Do you think it'll always be a part of the sport? | ||
| I don't think it's possible to stop it. | ||
| I love what you're saying and the idea, but I think how much money and how much effort and how much rules that would be to make that happen. | ||
| I think it can be done, man. | ||
| I think it's almost like saying you can't stop people from taking steroids. | ||
| Well, they definitely did. | ||
| Or at least cut it back. | ||
| They definitely cut it back. | ||
| Yes, you could cut back weight cutting. | ||
| I fully think you could cut it in half, but I don't think you could 100% get rid of it. | ||
| Well, cutting it in half would be pretty fucking good. | ||
| Yeah, I think that 1FC, I think they've cut it way back. | ||
| But some guys are still doing it a little bit, but they're not cutting those 20-30 pound cuts. | ||
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They're doing like 10. Have you gone over there and watched an event live? | |
| No, I would like to, but haven't. | ||
| They're doing them with full crowds now? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Things are so weird in Singapore and Asia still. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Singapore was the one when they were showing on television where they got everybody locked down. | ||
| I think China's locked down right now. | ||
| Oh, Shanghai. | ||
| Shanghai, yeah, not Singapore. | ||
| You've seen some of those videos? | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| They're beating people on the streets. | ||
| And the people are like, it's external foods. | ||
| People are starving out. | ||
| They're starting to fight back a little bit. | ||
| I watched one from Singapore where a guy was fishing with a drone. | ||
| So he is so hungry. | ||
| There's a koi pond below. | ||
| So he has a drone. | ||
| It dangles a bait over the water and dips it into the water. | ||
| A koi grabs the bait. | ||
| It hooks the koi and then lifts it up in the air and carries it to his apartment. | ||
| Have you seen it? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| It's so wild. | ||
| We'll end it with this. | ||
| You need to see this because it's so ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely, what, two and a half years and they're still having lockdowns. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| I don't even think there's many deaths. | ||
| I think there's something like three deaths in all of Singapore, and they're doing this. | ||
| So is it even about COVID or it's about control? | ||
| Who knows, right? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It's like, also, it's like, these people that died, how old were they? | ||
| What was their condition? | ||
| The COVID that we're experiencing today, the Omicron, is so much milder than, unless they have a new strain. | ||
| So check this out. | ||
| Can you give me some volume on this? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
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This guy's got a lure. | |
| You've got to click on the video itself. | ||
| That's on the drone. | ||
| Oh, it has some terrible music attached to it. | ||
| But look at this. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| He catches a koi and brings it up to his apartment with a drone. | ||
| Imagine if that fish fell and it hit someone in the head and killed him. | ||
| Died by fish. | ||
| Oh, there's no one on the streets anyway. | ||
| So you don't have to worry about it. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think you're allowed on the streets, right? | ||
| It's like full lockdown. | ||
| Full lockdown. | ||
| You have to be trapped in your house. | ||
| So this clever fella or woman or non-binary person... | ||
| Look what they do. | ||
| That's fucking genius shit. | ||
| If you're hungry, that's pretty clever. | ||
| Bro, that's genius shit. | ||
| Alright, Jake Shields. | ||
| I guess we should wrap this up. | ||
| People want to buy your jiu-jitsu shirts. | ||
| Americanfight.com. | ||
| And Jake Shields on Instagram and Twitter. | ||
| All those fun places. | ||
| Nah, you know, I got the high rollers. | ||
| Hopefully that'll be on Fight Pass soon. | ||
| Check that out, I guess. | ||
| Are you willing to do one of those? | ||
| Would you get barbecued and do a match? | ||
| I've done a bunch of them. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| Oh, you barbecued when you did it? | ||
| I did with the Diego one. | ||
| It was just, like, lit. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| We talked about it. | ||
| Yeah, I was just, like, so lit. | ||
| I got, like, scared right before. | ||
| But then I calmed down once I started doing jujitsu with second nature. | ||
| But for a second, I'm like, oh, crap, what did I do? | ||
| A lot of people say it makes them focus more. | ||
| I'm one of those people. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like rolling when I'm high. | ||
| Yeah, see, I don't do it often. | ||
| So, for me, I was okay once I got going, but it just took me a second. | ||
| Well, I'm glad we finally did this. | ||
| Cool, Joe. | ||
| Always good to see you, brother. | ||
| And we'll talk to you soon. | ||
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