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Joe Rogan Experience #1805 - Mike Tyson
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I'm Rolls with Mike Tyson Time doesn't give a fuck about any of this.
No.
mike tyson
No.
joe rogan
It just keeps going.
mike tyson
No.
Don't wait for nobody.
What was it like fighting again after all those years? - Hey listen, I did this told this DMT stuff and I just lost that weight and I said, I don't know what happened.
I just don't know what happened.
joe rogan
I just said, I'm gonna do this. - Well, it's funny because you talked to me on the podcast before The first time you came on and you said, I can't even work out.
Because if I work out, my ego will get excited.
mike tyson
But I did this toad, and I said, you gotta do it.
I said, you have to do it.
joe rogan
The toad told you?
The DMT told you it's time to fight.
mike tyson
You have to do it.
I lost the weight.
And it started off with me at first fighting Bob Sapp at first.
joe rogan
That's right.
The K-1 event.
I was there for that.
I was there live.
mike tyson
No, but I mean, I was going to fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you got in the ring with him, you said Marcus Queensberry rules.
mike tyson
Yeah, but listen, the fight I fought with Roy Jones was supposed to be with Bob Sapp.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Oh, no kidding.
mike tyson
Hell yeah.
I wouldn't have to chase this guy all around.
So the next thing you know, Roy Jones got involved, and other fighters, Holyfield got involved, and then it turned into a fiasco, and then the young guy, Jake Paul, he got involved then.
And that's how the birth of Jake Paul became.
joe rogan
When you get challenged by someone who's a guy like a Jake Paul, does that piss you off?
Not at all.
mike tyson
No, it doesn't.
I think it's awesome.
joe rogan
You think it's awesome?
mike tyson
Yeah, it's going to piss me off.
I think it's cool.
unidentified
You think it's cool?
joe rogan
That's awesome.
That's awesome that you handle it that way.
Because like, in a way, I mean, it's kind of insulting.
It's brave, it's bold of him, but it's also, it's like, Jesus Christ, there's levels to this world.
mike tyson
Let me know what I found out.
This gentleman, he was a mayor in this town in the Midwest, and I talked to him before, and he was one of those stern guys.
He always got the bills, paid, always got your lights on, always got everything right and perfect, but he didn't have a good personality.
And he almost lost to a guy that didn't do anything.
He shitted on people's taxes, he messed it, but he hung out with the people.
He smoked cigarettes with them, he drank with them, he ate with them, he hung on their porch with them.
And that's when you learn you can't take yourself too serious.
I don't mean the world will turn on you if you take yourself too serious.
Who the hell am I to take myself too serious?
Made all this money, got this reputation, and now I'm looking at people, screw-facing them now.
I have a great life.
How am I gonna be mad at somebody?
Really, if you think about it, when my ego's not involved, how can I really be mad at somebody?
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
That's a beautiful attitude, and you're so right, because there's so many people that are so concentrating on...
They're concentrating so much on succeeding and doing great things.
mike tyson
That was me.
I just wanted to win so bad.
I wanted to be somebody so bad, it wasn't even funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you forget what life is about.
Life is about, thank you, life is enjoying moments.
mike tyson
Life is a balance and life is, your legacy is not what you accomplished, it's what your children say about you at the end of the day.
They know who you are.
They know what you're hiding that you don't want no one else to see.
joe rogan
I'm sure you are a fan of Miyamoto Musashi.
I'm sure.
mike tyson
Tell me about the Japanese warrior.
joe rogan
Book of Five Rings.
He was all about balance.
That was his whole thing.
A samurai has to be an artist.
You have to be able to do calligraphy.
You have to be able to paint.
You have to be able to write poetry.
He felt like if you had any imbalance, like if you were too aggressive or too peaceful, like any imbalance was dangerous.
He's like, you had to be perfectly centered.
So you had to be a person who understood all things.
mike tyson
That's true, too.
joe rogan
You had to do artwork, everything.
mike tyson
That's true, but...
Everybody can express themselves being centered.
People have to be totally insane to express themselves, totally introverted to express themselves, and I don't know why it's like that.
joe rogan
I think he's talking about it from a point of fighting with swords.
mike tyson
Self-control.
Most fighters are...
Our main problem is self-control.
That's what I mean.
For sure.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it gets worse as you get more successful and more destructive and more, you know, you're a conqueror, you're the fucking guy in Sports Illustrated, you're the fucking man.
I mean, it's just, when you're a guy who's in a position like you were in when you were 20 years old, like, I've had this conversation with many people, like, do you understand the kind of self-control it would take to be the baddest man on the planet and you're only 20?
mike tyson
Yeah, it takes a lot of self-control.
joe rogan
It's crazy!
It's a crazy position to be in.
So, like, imbalance at that point in your life was almost impossible.
mike tyson
It wasn't no balance.
It was strict fighting.
It was strict.
It's too much this.
It was this.
It was this.
That was bad.
Oh, God.
Fuck.
I can't make that happen.
I got to do better tomorrow.
That was bad.
Oh, God.
I got to move my head.
I got hit today.
I got a black guy.
Oh, God.
Cuts are going to be mad at me if he see me do this.
If he see me get hit.
Everything was on being perfect.
joe rogan
Do you think that that's what it takes to make someone who is as good as you, as young as you?
You have to be completely obsessed.
mike tyson
Me, Mike Tyson, I'm an obsessed mentality type of person.
joe rogan
And at that point in time, I mean, to achieve what you achieved so quickly, too, you know, like you met Cuss when you were like, what, 13?
12. 12. So from 12 to 20, I mean, that's wild.
That's a wild ride.
mike tyson
Well, 12 to 19, he died when I was 19, but the fact is, um...
I put so much of myself into boxing my emotions and everything.
That was magnificent.
That was great.
But then when I came to life, it was disastrous.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
Imagine being the guy that's just so, boom, always in the person's face.
Hey, hey, that's what.
Hey, baby, I love you.
Hey, hey, what's this?
joe rogan
Hey, hey, what's this?
mike tyson
And I'm just that manic type of person.
joe rogan
With everything.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
I love you, but he's going to stop.
unidentified
Stop.
mike tyson
Hey, what did I do?
Hey, stop talking.
I promise.
I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Oh man.
Do you know Neil Brennan?
Neil Brennan, the comedian.
Very funny comedian, but he has a funny joke about football players.
Football players are getting violent altercations.
He goes, he just did football outside of football.
That's all it is.
He gets paid to do football.
Like dudes who crash into people on a regular basis and tackle people.
He's getting paid to do that.
He just did football when it wasn't, you know.
mike tyson
No, he did it illegally.
joe rogan
Yes, he did it illegally.
mike tyson
He did football when it wasn't time to do football.
I did boxing when it wasn't time to do boxing.
When it was out of season.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was out of season!
mike tyson
Sometimes we do our sports when it's out of season and we get in trouble.
joe rogan
But those things added to your mystique.
Like when you got in that fight with Mitch Blood Green in some...
was it...
Dapper Dan.
mike tyson
Dapper Dan, yeah.
joe rogan
Dapper Dan's.
And that was like, that added to your mystique.
Like when you crashed your car, gave it to the cops.
Like that added to your mystique.
It was just wild, impulsive shit.
But it's like, almost like that's what people want.
From the greatest boxer on the planet.
You know what I mean?
Just chaos.
It's part of the fun ride.
mike tyson
I was a nobody that wanted to be somebody so bad.
That's what it was.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you were, quickly.
Obviously you were supremely confident, but did you ever have moments where you couldn't even believe it was real?
mike tyson
Right now.
I'm waiting for somebody to say, get up nigga and go back to that cell.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no getting used to some things.
There's just no getting used to it.
mike tyson
How do you really get used to understanding yourself when everyone tells you you're the greatest?
That's what the gentleman was talking about, the five rings.
How do you acknowledge yourself?
joe rogan
You obviously were the greatest.
But there's almost like a samurai way of looking at it where you acknowledge it, but you don't think about it.
And I don't know who the fuck is capable of doing that.
unidentified
No one's capable of doing that at 20. In order to be in the master, you have to be the idiot first.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
You can't be the master without being an idiot.
You can't be a master and become a master.
You have to make the mistakes to become a master.
joe rogan
100%.
You have to be a fool.
If you're not a fool, you're not learning.
mike tyson
Hell, you have to be a fool.
You have to be a fool to even think you want to reach that level.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
You have to be a fool.
joe rogan
And, you know, it's a funny thing because a lot of people are scared of trying anything new.
Skiing.
Anything.
Anything they never did.
Ice skating.
People are afraid.
Because you think about the early times when you were learning something.
You're fucking terrible at it.
There's nothing more terrifying than being terrible at fighting.
And you're learning fighting around people that are really good at it.
And if you enter into that realm, you have to be a really courageous person to be a beginner in fighting.
mike tyson
Listen, You always benefit from fighting because people who don't fight well teach people to fight well.
That's normally how it goes.
You never hear no great legendary fighter being a great trainer.
It's probably 1%.
joe rogan
Like Emmanuel Stewart is a great example, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Emmanuel Stewart is not a guy that people knew as a great heavyweight fighter, but my God, what a fucking trainer he was.
mike tyson
That's what happened.
When you don't fight, you can teach.
In everything.
joe rogan
There's some guys that are...
But, like, Freddie Roach was a good fighter, and Freddie Roach is an amazing coach.
There's exceptions, right?
mike tyson
They're very 1%, though.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
The perception's so small.
joe rogan
It's interesting.
Like, everybody has their role, right?
mike tyson
What do you think of these fighters, guys like me?
Don't you think we have a little bit too much self-centered to really get involved with somebody?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's totally possible.
mike tyson
If they don't pick it up quickly, we lose our interest because they think they should be like us, or they should be...
Dedicated like us.
They should stop fucking eating and losing weight when they don't need to lose weight.
joe rogan
Yeah, totally.
I could imagine that you wouldn't be interested.
It's like a great man who is a great fighter at one point in his time stops thinking about himself.
You're always working on yourself.
mike tyson
Constantly.
Listen, if you know who you are at this stage of your life, then you're very limited.
If I know who I am at this stage, we're 55 years old and I know who I am.
This is never going to change.
This is who I am right now.
I'm going to be a very limited person.
Every day of our life we change without even knowing.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
mike tyson
Without even knowing we change.
joe rogan
That's at every age, right?
That's at 12, that's at 35. We're growing.
mike tyson
We're on work in progress.
I notice the older I get, The closer I am to my past, I started meeting people when I was seven years old, eight years old.
Now, I'm 55. I became world champion.
They won 25 or 50 Grammys or platinum albums or something.
And we just went on a different world, but we came from that brilliant little cesspool.
joe rogan
Also, they probably also can relate to you because they can't believe their life is real either.
mike tyson
No, they tell me that too, yeah.
joe rogan
Everybody says that.
They all say they have like imposter syndrome.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Except Dave Chappelle.
I think Dave Chappelle is just supposed to be here.
Dave Chappelle doesn't have any, like before shows, he's the coolest cucumber I've ever seen before a show.
He just is relaxed.
Just relaxed, listen to like Nina Simone music, and then he just goes out and does his thing.
mike tyson
Everyone, I don't care who you are, everyone focuses on who they are.
joe rogan
Yes, everyone does.
mike tyson
We're all we have to think about.
What do you think about?
We are all we really have to think about besides our children.
And even though we have children, we're our center of our attention.
joe rogan
And the great coaches find those people and make them better.
mike tyson
Exactly.
You have to bring it out of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you have to have one of those people.
mike tyson
No one could ignite me in that customado.
Right.
It's totally different.
It's just different.
It was so emotional involved.
joe rogan
Do you think it would be possible if you met a young man that reminded you of yourself when you were his age and that would excite you to train him?
If he was so excited about it.
And so dedicated and driven and talented and you felt like he would do everything you told him to do and he would listen to you.
mike tyson
Listen, you know how special you have to be to be a trainer?
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
mike tyson
I don't care how great you are as a fighter.
I don't care how great you are as a skier.
You know how great you have to be to be a trainer?
It takes more to be a great trainer than to be a great fighter.
joe rogan
Do you think it's because a great trainer has to be able to teach all kinds of styles?
mike tyson
No, a great trainer...
Styles have nothing to do with the morale behind the style.
joe rogan
The morale behind the style.
mike tyson
Imagine if you have the greatest style, but don't have the great determination and anticipation.
joe rogan
They don't inspire you.
mike tyson
Yeah, you ain't gonna be nothing.
joe rogan
When you have a relationship like yours with Cuss when you're 13 years old, that's the magic relationship in boxing.
When people talk about the mentor...
mike tyson
Mentors are everything.
Your job is to make your mentor happy.
If you do that, you accomplish your job.
joe rogan
The way you did it, man, it's like, it's one of those stories like a movie story.
It really is.
It's like if you saw your life, if your life wasn't a real life and somebody wrote it in a movie, I'd be like, ah, a little too much.
mike tyson
No, they don't know how mean we are.
We were mean, baby.
We wanted that belt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's also just being so fortunate to have met a guy like Cuss.
mike tyson
Incredible, huh?
joe rogan
Incredible.
Just the stars align for you, you know?
And that's what we all need to realize, that they don't align for everybody.
mike tyson
Because it's been written in life.
Everything's been written since the beginning of time.
joe rogan
Do you think that everything's been written like it all has a purpose to it?
It's all going, moving towards a certain goal?
Absolutely.
mike tyson
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Do you see that when you get really high, too?
When I do mushrooms or any time I do anything psychedelic, I have this weird thought that all of this is playing out towards a very predetermined outcome.
mike tyson
Exactly.
All of this is what we're doing now, me and you and everybody, is a beautiful process of dying.
Once you're born, the process begins.
And that's what it is.
joe rogan
And you're dying as the world is changing rapidly around you, as more people have access to information.
mike tyson
No, by you dying, you change the world.
joe rogan
That too.
By you living, you change the world.
Exactly.
That's the thing.
mike tyson
I think death got a bad rap.
No, it has a bad rap.
That's a great quote, though.
If life is beautiful, how could death be bad?
joe rogan
Well, it's inevitable, right?
mike tyson
Without life, there wouldn't be death.
Without death, there wouldn't be life.
How could they both be bad?
You think God would want us to be born and be scared about dying?
That's all.
We're born, now we're scared to die.
joe rogan
Well, we want to stay alive, but we can't be scared of something that's inevitable, right?
mike tyson
No, we can't.
We could be afraid, but we just can't cling to life.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
And God wants us to be afraid.
He still wants us to think after this is nothing.
I would like to think that he would think that we would believe after this, there's more than this.
I believe once you die, you begin to live.
That's my theory of dying.
joe rogan
It certainly could be that.
You tell that to a pragmatic scientist, they'll act like we're crazy.
But I think that if you have a psychedelic experience, one of the things you say to yourself is, okay, what is this?
How is this even real?
mike tyson
Tell us the best science in the world.
Explain your existence.
Ask him to explain his existence.
joe rogan
Explain your existence after you've done DMT. Yeah, really.
mike tyson
Explain your existence.
joe rogan
Now explain your existence.
mike tyson
He can't.
joe rogan
You can live in the threshold of your birth-to-death life and just operate by society's rules and only think about the things that matter to your bottom line, your bank account and things like that, but you're missing out on a lot of mistakes.
mike tyson
I just don't believe that.
I think your consciousness tells you.
You may not follow your consciousness.
You may be afraid to react, but I think your consciousness tells you and you're just intimidated to move or react.
I'm just totally different.
joe rogan
Ignore it.
mike tyson
Anything that I'm afraid to do, I do it.
Anything I'm afraid to do.
Ask the most prettiest girl in the world.
I do this.
I work for this position in life.
Anything I'm afraid to do, I just do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
And not afraid of the results.
Well, I'm afraid of results, but I act as if I'm not.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a great way to live your life.
If you could just find things that challenge you all the time.
Find things that scare you all the time and do them as often as possible.
mike tyson
And when you realize it, really not many.
Really think about it.
Really losing your children and death.
After that, what was really scary?
joe rogan
Yeah, most of it you get over.
mike tyson
Absolutely.
And then you're just a part of this whole system that leads up to people.
What led up to this, to me, and what led up to you, our generation?
Now our generation will lead up to something else.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're going to lead up to a totally new kind of human being.
Someone who grows up with the internet.
mike tyson
It'll be a different human being and maybe a different species.
joe rogan
Eventually, I think so.
mike tyson
Maybe we'll become a different species.
It's too much...
There's just too much scientific science out there that people are dibbling and dabbling in.
All of a sudden they start seeing these animals that look deformed with human beings' hands and heads and stuff.
joe rogan
They've made human-monkey chimeras.
That means they've combined the DNA of a human and a monkey.
No, we're talking about how they did this.
I think they only did it in the embryotics.
I don't think they actually raised one to a full-grown living animal.
mike tyson
And the monkey arm's like this.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
mike tyson
It goes right here.
Instead of going here, his muscles go right here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a video that someone sent me of a monkey pulling this dude's head off.
Pulling this dude's scalp off his head.
Just jumps on top of this dude, bites into his head, and peels back his scalp.
mike tyson
It's a chimpanzee.
joe rogan
No, it's a tiny little monkey.
That's what's crazy.
Here, I'll send it to Jamie.
Because it's a tiny little monkey, and the dude is in India.
You got it?
Okay.
So this dude is in India.
This is it.
Check this out.
This is crazy.
So the dude thinks he's being friendly with this monkey.
The monkey's sitting in his lap, and the monkey just grabs him out of nowhere.
mike tyson
Look at this.
Don't do this to me, man!
joe rogan
Don't do this to me!
unidentified
He bit his head and pulled his fucking scalp off.
mike tyson
Yo, listen, man.
joe rogan
That's just a little monkey.
That ain't even a big monkey.
mike tyson
You ever watch the chimpanzees when they hunt those monkeys?
joe rogan
Yes.
mike tyson
And they hunt them and then they rip them, break them while they're alive, eating their hands.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
They jump, they really consider it.
They break off one hand and feed it to the other monkeys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They share.
Share parts of the monkey while they're eating and alive.
unidentified
And alive.
mike tyson
You saw that?
joe rogan
It's screaming.
mike tyson
I'm one of those guys that get into stuff like that.
joe rogan
You know, Mike, they didn't even know about that until the 90s.
They didn't know that they regularly hunted monkeys.
They thought they lived off of fruits and vegetables like gorillas.
Gorillas just eat plants.
It's crazy, the way they do it.
mike tyson
If a gorilla's hungry, they eat meat.
joe rogan
I bet he will.
But most of the time, they're just eating plants, whereas the chimps really like eating monkeys.
It's just something about a little face.
When the chimp is grabbing it and pulling it apart, and the little face is like...
mike tyson
Listen, it's the power of being in control.
it's just horrific to watch a monkey get eaten by a chimp no but the real deal is that's who we are we're taught to be human beings we're animals taught to be human beings and just like some animals some are more intelligent some learn faster than others that's why some of us are still in the animal stage of life right laughing Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That process is going somewhere, right?
It's going towards some very peaceful time.
But I think that's one of the things that people love so much about violence and conflict.
Even watching stuff like that, it reminds us.
It excites us because it reminds us, oh, we're just animals.
We're animals, too.
mike tyson
Talk to be human.
But also, it reminds us not to be the weak one.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't be that dude.
That monkey's climbing on you.
It's punking you.
mike tyson
You're the one.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mike tyson
Mean chimpanzee.
Look how evil that chimpanzee is.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That is a crazy photo.
mike tyson
They're so powerful, too.
joe rogan
Oh, insanely powerful.
mike tyson
They can rip your face right off.
joe rogan
Do you know about the giant chimps that they found in the Congo?
Do you know about this?
mike tyson
Let's check them out.
joe rogan
There's a group of chimps that they found in the Congo that are a subspecies.
mike tyson
Let's check them out.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's...
They're called the Bondo Ape.
There's a guy named Carl Armand.
He's a Swiss wildlife photographer.
Or maybe he's from Sweden.
And this dude has been...
He sets up these camera traps in the Congo to try to capture them.
To try to get photos of them.
Because they're a rare subspecies of chimp that grows like six feet tall.
They weigh over 300 pounds.
They're fucking huge.
mike tyson
Maybe somebody's been a scientist in a laboratory with them.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think there used to be a bunch of different primate species that died off.
mike tyson
Look at some people.
There's been these animals that they found.
It looks like it got teeth, but it looks like a fish, and it got clans.
It's just a freaky thing.
joe rogan
I guarantee you they fucked with some animals and made some hybrid animals.
They definitely have done that.
But with this chimp, this is in such a remote part of the Congo.
It's so difficult to get there, and there's all these civil wars in that area.
It's very dangerous to get through there.
mike tyson
Listen, um...
They get anywhere.
You don't think when we driving by, you see nothing but mountains and no green.
You don't think there's people under those mountains or some kind like this, like this.
joe rogan
I'll do it in a laboratory.
So that's, that's, oh no, that's that chimpanzee.
mike tyson
That's the evil one in the worst.
joe rogan
Isn't that the one that looks like a human?
I think we're looking at a different thing.
mike tyson
No, that's the most evil.
jamie vernon
That one's down here.
joe rogan
That one where the guys are taking the photograph with it, the dead one, that's legit.
They shot this one at an airport in the Congo, and it's fucking huge.
I mean, you look at the size of those guys.
It's bigger than them, and it's a chimp.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
And so they called this one, they called them, they had two different names for chimps.
mike tyson
That's Thoughts Watch right there.
joe rogan
That's Thoughts Watch.
They had two different words for chimps.
One was tree beaters, and the other one was lion killers.
That photo where they're holding that one up, that's another one.
I mean, that's a giant fucking chimpanzee.
It's way bigger than normal.
And one of the things about them is they have these crests down the top of their skull, like a mohawk, that gorillas have.
But chimps don't normally have that.
So they're an odd subspecies.
And there's not that many of them.
They're in this one area of the Congo.
It's really interesting.
mike tyson
I just think, um...
At the beginning we were a different species of people.
joe rogan
Yes.
mike tyson
As you see during the period when we see these people that, what do you call them?
The people that do all the digging?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, anthropologists.
mike tyson
Anthropologists, yeah.
Archaeologists.
I've seen them, and one particular, it was about Amazons, and one picture that had this one Amazon, she must have been the queen, because she was dead, she was like this, and she had a man in her feet.
Oh, shit.
He was dead, and she was on top of him.
joe rogan
That was how she died?
That's how they buried her?
mike tyson
That's how they buried her, yeah.
In Russia, Ukraine, somewhere.
joe rogan
That's heavy.
That's a lady that needs a lot of attention.
mike tyson
Oh, but there's a bunch of them.
Listen, they have statues of men fighting the Amazon.
They got guys grabbing them by their head.
They got women fighting them back, cutting, you know, jumping on men.
They got statues of it.
Amazon's fighting.
joe rogan
There's all kinds of people out there.
Imagine if that's a real thing, if it was a real tribe of super women fighters.
mike tyson
You didn't believe that?
You think it's a fairy tale?
joe rogan
I don't think it's a fairy tale.
mike tyson
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I just don't know anything about it.
mike tyson
Real thing, baby.
joe rogan
Real thing.
mike tyson
Real deal, baby.
joe rogan
So, Amazon women.
Like a tribal group of women.
mike tyson
Remove their right breath so they can shoot.
joe rogan
That's all real?
Do you know about this journey?
mike tyson
Yeah, they found them buried.
I believe it.
joe rogan
They removed the right tits so they can shoot.
Ow!
mike tyson
And they enslaved their babies.
unidentified
Oh god damn, that's crazy to do.
joe rogan
If that's true, that is one of the wildest things a person's ever done for combat.
Remove part of your body so you can shoot a bow better.
Makes sense though.
mike tyson
Well, you know, they have their hairstyles.
That doesn't make sense.
Engage, right?
They elongate their head.
joe rogan
You know why that doesn't make sense?
Because if you're shooting a bow right, your tit shouldn't even come into play.
mike tyson
Hey, listen.
That's back then.
They may have shot it differently then.
joe rogan
Maybe.
mike tyson
I believe that too.
jamie vernon
This is a myth busted thing.
joe rogan
It's a myth?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it says it's a fake fact.
joe rogan
Well, I was just thinking about, because I shoot bows and arrows.
I do archery.
And when you use proper technique, the boobs don't even come into play.
The string goes from here to here.
So you're pulling this back.
mike tyson
I don't believe anything during this.
They had different signs then than they had now.
joe rogan
That's true.
They might have had different bows.
Maybe they just realized they could hold the bow better and not have to chop a tail off.
mike tyson
Maybe they had different gods and they believed different things.
That's for sure.
Most religion was superstition before it became religion.
Religion was superstition.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
mike tyson
We still are superstitious.
joe rogan
I am.
mike tyson
You know, we're the biggest Muslims, biggest Christians, biggest Mormons.
We're still superstitious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
And our religion tells superstition is bullcrap.
But we're more superstitious than we are religious.
joe rogan
You think so?
Some people are pretty religious.
mike tyson
Some people believe, oh, that black cat crossed the path.
Oh, no, you believe that.
People believe the superstition.
joe rogan
Do you ever imagine what it would be like to live in a different time when there was no written history?
And what those people must have been like just passing down knowledge, just talking to each other before they figured out how to write things down?
mike tyson
Those are the greatest people of the beginning of the world.
Those people, they gave us thought.
They gave us the biggest freedom that we could ever have in our life.
They gave us thought.
joe rogan
Imagine we're still quoting them.
We're still quoting Aristotle.
mike tyson
We're still quoting Socrates.
joe rogan
We're still quoting Genghis Khan.
We're quoting people from thousands of years ago.
It's pretty wild.
mike tyson
Because no matter how sophisticated we become, power is everything.
We don't quote them because they had great quotes.
We quote them because they were powerful men that had great quotes.
joe rogan
There's that and there's also just geniuses like Galileo.
Imagine hanging out with that dude.
mike tyson
No, listen, these guys are not cool hanging out with.
Listen, all these geniuses, we like to be friends with them, but we don't want to live with them.
joe rogan
That's probably true, right?
mike tyson
Oh, we don't want to live with these genius friends of ours.
Oh, they got so many habits.
Oh, what the fuck, nigga?
joe rogan
Fucking goddamn, though, you need them.
You need those geniuses.
mike tyson
You're like, nigga, you washing again?
Some people just wash all day.
They just wash.
They take three showers.
I have a friend, every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
That's a lot of work.
mike tyson
Every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower.
Why are you doing that?
I took a shit.
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
Every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower.
joe rogan
It's a clean man.
mike tyson
No, he's an asshole.
unidentified
He's an asshole.
mike tyson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Those are weird habits that we have.
mike tyson
I leave him next time.
Every time he goes, I just leave.
I ain't gonna leave.
What the fuck?
You go to the bathroom and you gotta take a shower.
How long does it take for?
I just don't want to do it, man.
I don't know how long.
You gotta take a shit, then you gotta take a shower?
What the fuck?
Get the fuck out of here, man.
joe rogan
Why does your buddy go use your bathroom?
Where's your towels?
mike tyson
Like, what?
joe rogan
He's in there hosing down.
mike tyson
Yeah.
Sick people.
joe rogan
Man, just being around Galileo and he's trying to tell you, hey man, all this shit they think about where the earth is and the sun is, they're all wrong.
Everybody's wrong.
mike tyson
He was getting high with some people, there's no doubt.
joe rogan
No doubt.
mike tyson
Do you ever look at the history of drugs?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mike tyson
Holy moly!
We're talking about the burning bush and everything's in there, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, the burning bush.
unidentified
Yeah, the burning bush is DMT. I love the burning bush.
joe rogan
It makes sense.
They say that that tree that is in that area, the acacia tree, that tree is rich in DMT. This book I read, what's the word?
mike tyson
The Thing?
What was it?
I forgot, but I did it in an audio book, and if you heard this guy reading, you'd think this guy is hot.
joe rogan
What is it about?
mike tyson
I forgot the...
joe rogan
Have you read, there's a great audio book that I listen to called The Immortality Key.
And I had a guy on the podcast who wrote the book.
mike tyson
Immortal Code?
joe rogan
No, The Immortality Key is all about psychedelics in ancient religions.
And it's, he's got, they've opened up a field of study at Harvard, so they're studying this at Harvard now.
All the ancient Greeks, they were all tripping.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they were doing.
They have evidence now, Mike.
They found these ancient pots that they use for their ceremonies and there's an LSD residue on them.
mike tyson
I know.
Alexander the Great, when he went to, listen, he fell in love with the Afghan people.
When he went there, he got fucked up.
unidentified
I'm sure.
mike tyson
He said, oh, I love you guys.
That's what he said.
Your guys are so beautiful.
God made your guys so beautiful.
God.
All his men, like every one of his men, they got killed.
Next thing you know, they got Afghanian generals.
They say, we're supposed to rule these people.
Why we got these guys like generals?
He fell in love with them.
They got him high off the hash and all that.
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
They fell in love with him.
joe rogan
Wow.
That makes sense.
It really does.
mike tyson
That's why you see the Afghanis that got that bushy hair?
Alexander, his men, the Greeks back then, they were mixed back then, the Greeks, so they had the bushy hair, too.
You look at the Greeks now, they don't have the bushy hair like they had back then.
They were mountain men.
joe rogan
Well, we know the Vikings took a lot of mushrooms.
We knew that.
mike tyson
Listen, the Vikings are just getting high on anything.
Blood, bones, whatever, man.
The Vikings, that was an interesting...
unidentified
Yeah.
mike tyson
That was interesting.
There's nothing, you know...
joe rogan
Nothing like that.
mike tyson
You would think they're not savages.
They're just great fighters.
unidentified
Right.
mike tyson
But they live a very respectable life, healthy life, great culture.
joe rogan
Great.
There was a strong culture, like a fierce warrior culture.
And then those people, like, populated places like Iceland.
mike tyson
I know, but listen, those guys, those vicious savages, those guys are farmers.
Look at these vikings.
They're marauders.
These guys are farmers.
They're just farmers that know how to fight.
joe rogan
After a while, they did kind of become farmers, right?
mike tyson
Yeah.
More than fighting, you gotta eat.
joe rogan
You gotta set up your civilization.
mike tyson
You gotta sanitize the civilization.
joe rogan
What was that show on?
It was on A&E or something like that?
What was Vikings on?
mike tyson
Yeah, Vikings.
joe rogan
That was a good fucking show.
I got into it with my wife for a while.
We watched it for a few seasons, but she got tired of watching people get chopped up.
A lot of people got chopped up back then.
mike tyson
But they were doing it because they were dying.
They needed to expand.
joe rogan
Well, they also sacrificed people's lives and shit, like they had human sacrifice, and in one of the episodes it's like, whoa.
And it's based all around what they really did, how the Vikings really lived, with some liberties.
mike tyson
The Vikings became Tsars, the Vikings became kings, the Vikings took over the world, they became African kings.
Listen there, they became kings, they took over the world.
Even in different cultures, even in the Chinese, the black culture, they have Viking blood.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
Because what the Westman called it, the Vandals went to Africa.
The Vandals went to Africa.
joe rogan
It's wild when you see all those people that live in Iceland and how fucking big they are.
Like those giant strongmen guys, most of them are from Iceland.
It's like a large percentage of those strongest men in the world guys are all from Iceland.
They're fucking huge up there.
mike tyson
It's weird in the cold they get bigger and in the heat they get smaller.
joe rogan
That's what deer do too.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a mammal thing.
mike tyson
Yeah, they're warm so they stay smaller.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, when it's hot out, it's easier to disperse the energy if you have a smaller body.
unidentified
Exactly.
mike tyson
If you see the Siberian tiger and you see the Indian tiger, ooh, totally different.
joe rogan
Siberian's way bigger, right?
Monsters!
mike tyson
Monsters!
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
But them Indian ones are mean as fuck.
Those are mean as fuck.
mike tyson
I think the Siberians, they're so cold, they have to be mean.
They're hungry all the time.
They can fight a polar bear.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
I wonder which one eats people more.
I bet it would be the Indian one.
mike tyson
Yeah, because they know what happens.
You know in Siberia, you know how fucking much land they have out there in Siberia?
That's ice before you can reach civilization.
In India, they keep infringing on their land, so they have one-on-one confrontation with the tiger in India.
They keep approaching on his land, cutting down trees, and he needs the big trees to hide, and they run right into him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Did you see the tiger on that thing when he jumped on the elephant and took the guy's fingers off?
unidentified
Yeah.
He looked so beautiful when they opened up the tiger.
joe rogan
It's crazy that he knew that there was a person on top of that elephant, too.
It wasn't just the elephant.
He wanted to get the guy on top of the elephant.
mike tyson
Yeah, because there was a tiger around killing some cows and stuff.
So they were looking for him, and they were hitting the trees, and he just came and went in the air.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
And I was on the elephant.
The elephant's like 10, 11 foot tall.
joe rogan
Imagine seeing that thing flying through the air trying to get you.
mike tyson
He's like 700 pounds coming at you.
Boom.
That's how big they get.
Look at his hair go right here.
Look at that.
Look, that's more than 10. Oh, my God.
joe rogan
That thing flew.
mike tyson
Look at this guy.
Look at him.
You see him moving?
Oh, you see this dirty motherfucker moving?
joe rogan
Look how slick he is.
mike tyson
Look at him.
He came out of nowhere.
joe rogan
Out of nowhere.
mike tyson
Wow!
unidentified
God!
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mike tyson
That's the guy that lost his stuff, huh?
unidentified
Yeah.
His arm got fucked up.
mike tyson
Yeah, he was eating that stuff.
joe rogan
So he was eating cows, and they were trying to kick him out of the area.
mike tyson
And they came on these, look at the elephant, like 10 foot tall, man.
joe rogan
Could you imagine that job?
mike tyson
You gotta keep the monsters out of the grass.
joe rogan
Look at the mouth.
Oh my God!
Look at that fucking mouth, just looking to eat you, murder you.
mike tyson
And what, this guy just froze.
joe rogan
He froze.
There's this area of India called the Sundarbans and it's this river where the water is not quite fresh.
It's all brackish.
There's too much salt in the water.
And they think it might be one of the reasons why the tigers are so aggressive there.
They're constantly irritated.
But the tigers in that area have killed some insane amount of people over the last hundred years.
mike tyson
You've heard a tiger grab that lady out of the car?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I did.
mike tyson
When they had an argument, they had an argument, so she got out the car.
Get the fuck out the car, nigga.
Get the fuck out the car.
And the guy tried to run back, and the next thing you know, he ran to the car.
He said, hold on, let them go.
joe rogan
You know, she lived.
The mother died.
mike tyson
Get out of here.
Yeah, the mother died.
joe rogan
Because the mother went to save her, and the mother got killed by a tiger.
unidentified
Whew.
joe rogan
She fucking lived.
That thing dragged her off.
mike tyson
Whatever she gets, I just want to argue with a motherfucker.
Say, get out the car, nigga!
unidentified
Get the fuck out!
mike tyson
I don't want to hear this shit!
Get the fuck out!
unidentified
Alright!
joe rogan
Could you imagine being with a woman who's so fucking crazy that she pulls one of those, get out the car.
mike tyson
That's what it was!
That's what it was!
joe rogan
In a fucking park filled with tigers.
mike tyson
I'm not going to say anybody deserves that, but some people need to just stop the bullshit, you know?
joe rogan
Nobody deserves that, but everybody should know that that's on the menu.
mike tyson
Don't get out the car!
joe rogan
Why would you get the fucking out the car?
Jamie, find that video, please.
mike tyson
Oh, Jamie, don't do this to society.
joe rogan
It's horrible that this happened, but, you know, it happened.
mike tyson
Listen, my wife thinks something's wrong with me, because, listen...
I was at one of my shows, and it was one of those elevated stage.
So the guy was like, I don't know, 40 feet in the air.
And he said, hey, Mike, you like my clothes?
And he tried to jump on the stage, but he jumped on his leg at the stage, and he kept going down.
I'm laughing.
My wife is looking at me.
Why are you laughing at people in Australia looking at me?
And I just couldn't help it.
unidentified
Oh, man, check this out.
joe rogan
Oh, look, she gets out of the car.
mike tyson
Get the fuck out of the car, nigga.
Stop, nigga.
Get the fuck out of the car.
I'm telling you, I'm tired of that bullshit.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
So she's making all this noise.
Look at this.
mike tyson
Just come here.
unidentified
I mean, god damn.
mike tyson
I thought I would be the last.
Look what she said.
Get out the car.
Get out the car now.
Come on.
Get out now.
joe rogan
She's out of that car for how long?
mike tyson
15 seconds?
Come on.
Get out the car now.
I command you.
Get the fuck out the car.
I'm tired of this shit, Bill.
joe rogan
What a wake-up call.
We need to know.
People need to know.
There's people like that in the world that will get out of a car and cause a crazy scene in a tiger park.
mike tyson
Addicted to chaos, man.
They're addicted to chaos.
I was in that world at once.
Addicted to chaos.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people addicted to chaos.
mike tyson
It's a drug.
It's a narcotic, man.
joe rogan
This area in the Sundarbans, these guys, they have to do a survey of how many tigers there are just so they can keep track, and they go with rifles, and they have these helmets on, and the helmets have a face on the back of the head.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's what I had to do.
joe rogan
I had a mask.
mike tyson
I had a mask.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
You had to do that?
mike tyson
When I turned around, I had a mask, yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
You had to do that or he would jump on you?
mike tyson
Well, they think I'm running and shit, and they're playing.
And if they accidentally, because they chew on my arm and stuff, and if they accidentally bite my head, they can hurt me by accident.
They don't mean it.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
mike tyson
When they're on my shoulder and arm, I let them bite me and my legs and stuff.
joe rogan
And you're just playing.
mike tyson
Yeah, but they can pierce my skull.
joe rogan
Jesus.
How big did they get?
mike tyson
600, 500. That's when they're eating good, man.
That's when they're eating good.
joe rogan
But you never felt nervous around them, or you never felt like they might kill one of your friends accidentally?
mike tyson
Definitely one of my friends and family members.
You know, the relationship with tigers and stuff are different than with lions and stuff.
Lions are like dogs and stuff.
They like hanging out with family, but tigers only hang out with you.
Oh, really?
Yeah, only with you.
And you better hope he doesn't like one of your children.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Because then you can't play with your children.
He might kill you.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mike tyson
It's crazy.
That's what the tigers are crazy.
They get attached to one person.
Oh, my God.
They're not no family people.
One person.
They don't fuck around with a whole bunch of people.
They're not like lying.
Lions hang out there on the front table of your table, hanging out with the family and stuff.
Really?
Yeah, tigers don't do that.
You notice in the wild, anything that see them, they're gonna kill.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
They don't even want to be seen.
Only time they're with a female is when it's mating season.
That's the mating season.
If they see you, they're gonna kill you.
joe rogan
I wonder why they have that coloration, that beautiful pattern on their body.
I wonder if that's just because it's so...
When you see a tiger that looks that stunning, like all the...
I bet it makes you freeze more.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's so stunning.
Like, they look so...
They look beautiful.
mike tyson
When I was over at a gentleman's house that had a tiger, we were talking about, and I saw this cat, it's called a tabby.
They're different than the stripe.
They have, like, patches of orange.
They're not stripes.
They're patches.
On like cream color.
And I was going to hug the cat.
He said, Mike, don't hug the cat.
Just go down a little.
It was so pretty.
I said, oh my God.
He said, no, Mike, don't touch it.
And I forget it wasn't my cat.
If it's not your cat, don't touch the cat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
If it's not your cat, don't touch it.
joe rogan
Some cats will fuck you up.
mike tyson
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Without knowing.
They hit you.
They punch you just like.
Knock you cold.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Knock you cold.
joe rogan
But having a big cat for a pet.
mike tyson
I used to swim in the pool with them.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
And enough swimming.
joe rogan
So what did you do when you weren't around?
Like, if you had to leave, if you had to go to camp, if you had to do anything, like, what did you do with the cats?
mike tyson
They came with me.
joe rogan
Really?
They traveled with you?
mike tyson
I had 18 wheels.
I have big trucks.
They live big, baby.
I'm the heavyweight champ of the world.
They live big.
When I go somewhere, they go with me.
Even if it takes days in the thing.
I would have them expedited on the plane.
I didn't care.
joe rogan
So when you got to a place, like say if you were training for a fight and you brought them with you, what would you do?
Have a cage set up for them?
No.
mike tyson
I would have the trucks.
I would always have the...
Encavement, already built at the house.
But first thing more than all, I would have my receipt for my tax.
You know, you have to have, every time they move, you have to have a license for them.
If they move to Vegas, all right, we have to have the Vegas.
Like, they move to New York, we need a New York license.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
mike tyson
And New York is so hard to get a life for live animals, you know, endangered species.
So hard.
joe rogan
There was a dude, they found an alligator in his apartment.
mike tyson
Listen, an alligator.
No, no, that's not what happens.
This is what they had.
In New York, right?
joe rogan
Yes, in New York.
mike tyson
He had an alligator in the bathtub.
And he had a tiger.
Yes.
And they started, oh, this is stupid.
Listen.
joe rogan
Just listen to this.
mike tyson
No, you have to listen.
You gonna listen to this?
joe rogan
Yes, please.
mike tyson
He thought he was somebody's false parent.
The tiger and the lion started to fight.
No, the tiger and the alligator started to fight, and he tried to break it up.
Can you imagine you have an alligator and a tiger in your apartment?
No, listen.
How do you do that in New York City?
The tiger's 400 pounds, man.
Ain't no little tiger.
It's not a little tiger.
Remember the guy in the subway had a 500 pound tiger?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike tyson
It was a guy that lived in New York in the subway.
He had a 500 pound tiger in the subway.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
Look at the size of that thing.
mike tyson
Look at this stuff.
Look at New York police.
Look, I told you.
This is in his house, man.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
mike tyson
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Look how big that thing is, man.
mike tyson
Joe, Joe.
joe rogan
Look how big that is.
mike tyson
No, no, Joe.
Joe, we're living with these cats.
Look, that's my cat that big.
But Joe, look.
We're living with these cats and they're not trained.
My cat lives with me, sleeps in my bed.
This is a wild cat, man!
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at the face on that thing!
mike tyson
You can't hang out with this cat, man!
joe rogan
They're so beautiful, though.
Look at his face.
Look at that face of that cat in the window with the cop.
mike tyson
That's the 42 fake-out, man.
That's so pretty.
jamie vernon
He's hanging, by the way.
He's floating in the air.
mike tyson
He's looking at this cat.
joe rogan
Oh, he's dropping down from the ceiling.
mike tyson
From the roof.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mike tyson
I know.
He's like, ain't this some bullshit?
joe rogan
Look at that cat's face, though.
Look how pretty they are.
mike tyson
Oh no, that's the fake out, man.
That's how they get you to fucking stand still.
joe rogan
I think that's what I'm saying.
I think they're so beautiful, I think that might be it.
Because they're colorations in the...
I mean, it's not sneaky, right?
mike tyson
No, but this is the thing, right?
This is the thing.
I never understood about tigers, right?
They don't want you to look at them.
joe rogan
No, cats don't want you to look at them.
mike tyson
That's like a show of dominance.
Yeah, the tigers don't want you to look at them.
What's your fucking problem?
I'm going to play with them.
joe rogan
Dogs have a problem with that, too, sometimes.
mike tyson
They don't make that face-to-face stuff.
joe rogan
Well, they think you're challenging them.
mike tyson
That's what it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't understand.
I'm thinking for my love.
mike tyson
I'm doing love.
I think you love me.
joe rogan
They don't know that.
When they love each other, it's like sideways action.
They love on each other, but they don't stare eye to eye.
Eye to eye is like, I don't know what you're thinking.
You might be challenging.
mike tyson
Next thing you know, you're going through your head.
joe rogan
Some dogs will do that if you eyeball them.
That's why this zoo is so crazy.
mike tyson
I never knew that since you said, look in the face.
joe rogan
They think you're challenging them for dominance.
Like, my golden retriever, you met my, um, Marshall.
mike tyson
When he was here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We have pictures of you cuddling with them.
mike tyson
They don't, um...
joe rogan
But those are, like, the sweetest dogs.
They don't challenge you ever.
So he never, like, really lets...
He looks me in the eyes just because we've known each other for so long.
He knows it's not, like, a challenging thing.
That we're just being sweet to each other.
But dog, even a dog like that doesn't like looking you in the eye.
They like looking around your eyes.
They look at your face.
mike tyson
You know, what's interesting about big cats, especially tigers...
If a tiger, if you go, like, I see my tiger running in the cave, man.
If I go and I see him and he's happy to see me, they run to the gate, I go in, I play with him, I bring him out with me.
But if I go there and they're like this, nah, the day's not the day to go in there.
unidentified
You stare him eye to eye, he'll go, what the fuck are you doing?
mike tyson
And then I ask, they're just looking at you, no, no, that's not a good day.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
mike tyson
Don't go in there that day when they're just looking at you.
joe rogan
It's crazy that people love to have pets like that.
They love it.
unidentified
To live in an apartment and have a tiger like that.
joe rogan
How much did he have to feed it?
mike tyson
Listen.
joe rogan
And where's all the shit going?
mike tyson
They don't eat much, but they eat all day.
joe rogan
Oh.
mike tyson
They eat a little all day.
joe rogan
Well, they're so big.
So he must be just giving it raw meat, right?
mike tyson
Yeah, chicken.
Yeah, a lot of chicken.
I like giving them chicken and I give them horse meat.
joe rogan
Like you give them a whole chicken, right?
mike tyson
I give them two or three of them, but then I give them the horse meat.
This is when it gets fun when you get the whole side of a cow or a side of a horse.
Like this whole rib in you.
Just throw it in there and they slam it.
Boom!
Hit it against the fence and hit it in the air and they grab it and they run inside.
Like a joke.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the video from the Iraqi zoo when the U.S. soldiers first took it over?
Did you ever see that?
mike tyson
No, no, he had the giraffes and all that stuff there.
joe rogan
Well, there was an Iraqi zoo and when the U.S. soldiers first got there, the way they would feed the lions, they would just let goats go.
Just let them go and let the lions kill them and everybody would watch.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's not good.
joe rogan
But isn't that the way they're supposed to do it?
mike tyson
No way.
joe rogan
Because they'll get too into killing things.
mike tyson
What is this?
joe rogan
Oh, they made a movie about it?
jamie vernon
Oh, no shit.
mike tyson
This is in Harlem, man.
joe rogan
Oh, Jamie, send me this.
Send me a link to this, please.
I need to watch this documentary.
mike tyson
That's the dude?
I don't want to say things about him.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
He's got a fucking tiger in his house.
mike tyson
No, listen.
These animals make you believe that you can control them.
They give you the four senses of security that you're in control.
They're smart.
They know what they're doing.
They say, oh, he really wants me to lay down with him and play with him?
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike tyson
That's so weird.
Oh really?
I'm gonna give him a fart.
Let me see how you like that.
Or maybe I do a good dump in the bed.
Let's see how he likes that.
You really like me?
joe rogan
Does shit right in your bed?
mike tyson
Nigga, no, but definitely.
I didn't have that, but they farted.
Farting, they might as well shit.
If they fart, they might as well shit.
joe rogan
How bad is a tiger fart?
mike tyson
Oh, man.
Listen, the house fucked up.
All the windows gotta be open.
You gotta firmigate it.
You gotta call some motherfuckers in.
You know when they be smoking the house to clear the shade?
What the fuck happened?
They said, Mike, what the fuck happened, Mike?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
You know, it makes sense.
mike tyson
All they eat is raw meat.
People are staying at my house.
Oh, fuck them.
I gotta go.
They're back when they start leaving.
What the fuck, man?
joe rogan
Tiger farts make them leave.
Oh, shit.
mike tyson
Oh, my God.
I ain't doing this shit, Mike.
joe rogan
Of course.
Of course tiger farts are the worst.
That only makes sense.
That's hilarious.
mike tyson
Listen, listen.
You have no idea.
You would think that this is not real.
This is not coming out of anything that breathes air.
This didn't come out of something that breathes air.
There's no fucking way, Joe.
joe rogan
I can only imagine.
I was talking to this dude who's a wildlife expert.
He said one of the more distressing parts about the zoo is that people get to stare at animals.
He goes, there's no other world where anything gets to stare, anything with eyes in the front of its face.
mike tyson
Hey, maybe you want to check at one time in life they did experiment when they put people in the zoo.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
mike tyson
You want to check that one out?
The human zoo?
And it was real people in there fucking in front of people looking at them, eating.
joe rogan
I don't want to give people any ideas.
I wouldn't want to have a human zoo because I wouldn't want people having any fucking ideas.
mike tyson
Listen, I know we don't like Alex Jones and stuff, but Listen, check this out, right?
I like it.
I know people don't know.
But listen, whatever you think a human did to another human being, it happened.
Yes.
If anything, I don't know if it fucked me, ate or whatever it is, it happened.
joe rogan
Somewhere in history it definitely happened.
Yes.
It probably happened somewhere this year.
mike tyson
Yes.
And sometimes in these special camps and stuff, it happens.
These people own these thousands of acres and nothing grows on them.
joe rogan
Weird ranches where people meet and do rituals.
mike tyson
Might want to hunt a motherfucker and let him go.
joe rogan
That's not outside the realm of possibility.
mike tyson
I know, that's why I'm throwing it at you.
joe rogan
I guarantee you there's been someone somewhere in the world who paid someone to hunt a person.
mike tyson
I guarantee you that's happened.
Listen, no.
This is what happened.
They take these homeless people off the streets, put them in there, take them to one of these special hospitals, they take them from that hospital, may have them drugged up, take them on these large estates of property.
Let's hunt.
Run.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
mike tyson
Nigga, run.
No, really, I really believe that.
I really believe that.
joe rogan
I think, well, that book, The Most Dangerous Game, didn't that come out in like the 30s?
It's an old, old book about that very thing, rich people hunting poor people.
mike tyson
The only reason we hunt the fox, why is the only reason we hunt fox?
joe rogan
I think there's their fur.
mike tyson
The fox is the only one that backstracts.
joe rogan
Oh, because it's sneaky.
mike tyson
He's the only one that backstracts.
If he chases, if he chases, he'll go forward, then he'll come backwards and go this way.
joe rogan
To trick you.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's why that's the only really challenging chase.
Everything else is too easy.
It's too simple-minded.
The fox is the only one that's challenging.
joe rogan
Oh, that's interesting.
mike tyson
That makes sense.
joe rogan
I never thought about it that way.
mike tyson
And so now they say, well, the fox is the most reasonable animal.
Let's try a human animal and see how reasonable he is.
Guaranteed.
joe rogan
Guaranteed someone's done that.
mike tyson
They want to challenge reasonability.
Let's see how he thinks.
How is he superior than us?
They're not going to do anything they think that's inferior than them.
They're going to study what they're going to attack or what they're going to make their victim.
joe rogan
For sure, people have done that, right?
mike tyson
Anything you think a human being could do, he did it to another human being.
joe rogan
But that one, like an organized one like that, where they're hunting someone, for sure that's happened.
mike tyson
Hey, listen.
I don't care.
How much fun would that be?
No, you think about it.
Forget who's watching you and what people think about you, but how much fun would that be?
joe rogan
Depends on who the guy is.
mike tyson
No, that too.
Imagine if he's smarter than you.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mike tyson
You know, and you can't catch him and he's smarter than you and he kills you.
That's what it is.
Don't they allow them to have some weapons and stuff?
And this kind of stuff.
I heard they allowed them to have women.
They didn't just chase them.
joe rogan
I'm sure there's different rules.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm sure different people have different ways of doing it to make it more sporting.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I think some people...
mike tyson
It's not sporting when they're not fighting back.
unidentified
Right.
mike tyson
I don't care how much of a smug you are.
It's just not as much excitement if a punch is not coming at you.
joe rogan
Right.
Maybe they give you, like, a set of tools.
mike tyson
Then they'll know you're going to fail with.
Yeah.
But it'll be interesting.
joe rogan
At least you have a possibility of succeeding.
Make it a little more exciting for them.
mike tyson
It becomes exciting.
You know, it only becomes exciting when the rabbit gets the gun.
If the rabbit don't have a gun, it tells me it's just going to be a shooting fish in a bucket.
joe rogan
Yeah, hunting a human being, Jesus Christ.
What a terrifying thought that people would be into doing that.
But if I had to guess yes or no, I would say definitely people have done it.
mike tyson
And there's going to be somebody with the ego saying, they're not going to kill me.
They're not going to kill me.
I'm going to survive this.
joe rogan
Especially if you put up a big prize reward.
You say, like, you know, I'll make five million bucks.
If you live, you make five million dollars.
mike tyson
No.
joe rogan
I bet a lot of people would tell you that.
mike tyson
It has nothing to do with money.
Just live or die.
Your instance of your life.
joe rogan
Right, but I mean, how many people would risk it just to see if they could win money?
Like if you had a show like that where you...
mike tyson
So look at it like this.
Say you were in poverty all your life.
If you know you...
If someone could take your heart right now out your heart, your parents, your family would be rich.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
What would you do?
joe rogan
You might do it.
mike tyson
Exactly.
Well, some people will.
joe rogan
You might do it.
Some people would do it.
mike tyson
You'd be surprised how selfish some people are.
joe rogan
Right.
A lot of people would be like, no, I'll work this out on my own.
mike tyson
Yeah.
No, take my family.
joe rogan
That's why you kill them.
I mean, it's one of those questions like, would you really believe them?
You're gonna let them kill you?
You believe they're gonna take care of your family?
Are you sure?
That's a risky move.
mike tyson
Maybe you want to believe it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to believe it to end the suffering.
mike tyson
A person to take care of your family if you kill somebody you don't like, later before you do something really spectacular.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
What does it really cost to take care of a family?
joe rogan
Depends on how you take care of them, right?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a...
If you think that everything should be legal, that's where, you know, someone, a game show where someone tries to kill you, that's a fucked up thing to have legal.
mike tyson
Listen, what's the guy, what's my name, Barry something?
He was a spy.
What's the guy in the story?
Tell me my name, Barry something.
joe rogan
Barry Seal?
mike tyson
No, he was a talk show host.
Talk show host.
joe rogan
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
mike tyson
Chuck Berry.
Chuck Berry.
joe rogan
He's a spy.
unidentified
Chuck Berry.
joe rogan
Yeah, from the bong show.
mike tyson
He's a fucking spy.
joe rogan
Is that real, though?
I always thought that Chuck Berry stuff...
mike tyson
Come on.
They made a story out of it.
It had to be real.
They made a story out of it.
joe rogan
I wasn't sure if that was just the plot of that movie, which is a really fun movie.
mike tyson
They continue to say it.
I just...
Look it up, brother.
joe rogan
What was that movie again?
jamie vernon
Dangerous Mind?
Yeah, it was great.
joe rogan
That was a fun movie.
Chuck Barris.
That's right, not Barry.
mike tyson
I say this guy cannot be a fucking spy.
joe rogan
Is he really a spy?
mike tyson
I hope he was a spy.
joe rogan
It's a better story.
It's hilarious if you became the host of the gong show because he was great.
mike tyson
Incredible.
joe rogan
Oh, he was so much fun.
He had the perfect amount of silliness while he was the host of that show.
mike tyson
He changed the game.
jamie vernon
According to this, the quick Google search says he admitted to making up the story.
joe rogan
Oh, he made it up.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, so it was some fiction that he wrote.
So, no, I was never a CIA hitman.
b-real
I never did those things.
joe rogan
I once applied for the CIA, and while I was going through the process, I got a job and went on to television.
mike tyson
Yeah, but do you believe a guy who they say was a spy?
joe rogan
I know.
We have a guy who comes in.
His name is Mike Baker.
I'm talking about you, Mike.
And he says he's not in the CIA anymore.
And I'm like, anymore?
Like, you're retired.
Like, you still talk to those guys.
mike tyson
Yeah, tell him about those bodies that he's seen.
Those spacey-looking motherfuckers he's never seen before.
joe rogan
He won't give up the alien talk.
Pull up a video of Chuck Barris hosting the gong show.
Chuck Barris, a CIA assassin?
There's a possibility.
Dangerous Minds producer says, oh, that's a producer.
He's just trying to sell some movies.
mike tyson
Sell some shit.
Chuck was a decent guy.
He's trying to make him a spy.
joe rogan
He's just a guy who's got a creative mind.
That was a great show, though.
He was so silly.
That was like, what was that, the 70s?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
Here's one that says it's 77. He was so silly.
joe rogan
He was like a silly guy.
mike tyson
Listen, it was these Jewish guys.
It was Rosenbergs.
Remember these guys in World War II? Rosenbergs, Ethel Rosenbergs.
joe rogan
Were there the people that got arrested for spying?
Yeah.
mike tyson
My mentor, customer, he would put his life, they were innocent.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people believed that.
mike tyson
Yeah, he put his life on it, they were innocent.
He got me in trouble.
I'm telling everybody, I don't even know nothing about these Jews.
They're innocent.
They're innocent because I'm just following him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Oh man, you believe how many people hate these people?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were probably innocent.
mike tyson
The brother-in-law, the wife's brother made everything up.
He told the story.
I don't know what he made up.
But I grew up being taught they were innocent.
Ain't that some bullshit?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It is.
So what do they think happened?
How did they get in trouble?
How did they get caught up in it?
mike tyson
Her brother, I believe, made something up, got suspicious about something that he's seen and he reported it.
joe rogan
And then they got arrested for it, and then they got executed for it, right?
But they didn't do anything, right?
mike tyson
So, you know, so they think.
joe rogan
Was that the story?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell, but my God, there's a lot of people that didn't do anything that went to jail.
mike tyson
Or died.
joe rogan
Or died.
Yeah.
My God.
I mean, that's one of the things about the future that I think is going to be very strange, is when we could read minds.
Because I don't think that's far off, Mike.
mike tyson
Listen, check this.
Did this happen?
How many times did this happen?
Oh God, what's that?
What did I have Bob doing?
Hey, Bob.
Imagine if you can control that in some kind of capacity.
You know what I mean?
Make that work in some kind of capacity.
Do you understand?
unidentified
I think it's an emerging part of being a person.
mike tyson
I ain't seen him in 10 years.
God, man, I wonder if this guy already is still alive.
Bob, how you doing, man?
joe rogan
Some people want to say that's a coincidence.
mike tyson
There's no coincidence.
It's all been written.
Since the beginning of the light, it's been written.
If you don't think so, it's just ridiculous to believe that.
joe rogan
I think sometimes it could be a coincidence, but sometimes it's not.
And I don't know why I know it's not.
I don't know that it's not.
But I know that there's moments where I'm thinking of a very good friend and then he calls me.
And I'm like, wow, that's weird.
I haven't talked to this guy in a while.
And he's just calling me out of the blue, not even texting me.
And every now and then you feel like there's a connection.
mike tyson
You know, every now and then...
I have dreams, but normally when I sleep, it's blacked out or white out, and then I wake up.
joe rogan
Do you not have dreams, or do you not remember your dreams?
mike tyson
I don't remember having dreams.
There's no blackouts.
joe rogan
What is the difference between the days you have them and the days you don't?
Is it like when you're more rested you have dreams, or does it have anything to do with anything that goes on in your life?
mike tyson
I dream more when I'm awake than when I sleep.
Really?
joe rogan
So when you sleep, you just go out.
mike tyson
Yeah, I have more time to position myself, to relax, to meditate.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Relax.
mike tyson
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you made that shift and got back into fighting again, what did it feel like to just all of a sudden go into warrior mode again?
I saw you doing road work.
I saw you hitting the bag and working out with Rafael Cordero.
I'm like, this is wild to see.
mike tyson
It was nothing to me, but I was excited more because my friends were excited.
I said, Mike, how's your back?
Your back all right, Mike?
You're moving your fucking back.
I'm wondering if your fucking back all right.
And I said, Mike, I can't believe you're doing this shit, Mike.
I said, Mike, you fucking crazy.
You doing this shit?
I said, fuck.
You doing this shit, Mike?
Fuck.
joe rogan
It was crazy for all of us to watch.
mike tyson
I said, Mike, don't do this shit, man.
And look, I love Dana, right?
Dana White's my man.
I don't care.
I can never see nothing bad about him.
So he said, Mike, I don't want you to fight, man.
I'm going to get you a job, make you some money.
He gives me the goddamn shark week job.
He gives me the job.
I gotta put the shark to sleep now.
He doesn't want me to fight and get knocked out and beat up, but he wants me to go in there and put a shark to sleep.
joe rogan
How the fuck do you put a shark to sleep?
mike tyson
You rub his belly?
Yeah, you play with his chin.
Like, hey, little buddy.
And he's real big.
And now, listen.
So I got the shark, like the nine foot.
I made him...
Ken Atomic.
He freaked out and just chilled, right?
So the next day I have to do the tiger shark.
The tiger shark is the most aggressive shark.
These are monsters.
Look how big is a tiger shark?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
They're very aggressive, aren't they?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think they're like 14 feet.
mike tyson
Well, check this out.
How big is this tiger shark?
joe rogan
I think a big one is like that.
mike tyson
All right, so they do this white shoot with me.
They go, all right, Mike, so we got the tiger shark tomorrow, all right?
He's more aggressive, of course, so you have to move differently with this guy, and he's going to come at you, but when he comes, you go underneath his neck.
When he tries to attack you, you go underneath him, and you tickle his neck.
So I'm in there, I'm saying, listen, they're throwing blood in the water, dead fish.
The water...
The ocean is getting red out, man.
It's a big bloody mess there.
And listen, the tiger shark don't show up.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
No shark showed up.
No shark showed up.
I said, God, thank you.
The shark didn't show up.
I said, what?
Maybe he died or got into an altercation with a whale or something.
But God, damn.
joe rogan
Imagine if Dana White got you eaten.
mike tyson
Listen.
joe rogan
Imagine if it was Dana's fault and you get eaten by a fucking shark.
mike tyson
No, no, no.
Oh, you want to hear this?
No, no, no.
Forget that.
You want to hear this?
My wife thought it was a good idea, too.
unidentified
I said, y'all motherfuckers don't care about me.
They don't give a fuck about me, man.
mike tyson
My wife said, that's a good idea.
joe rogan
Did you imagine telling her to get in the ocean with sharks and bloody fish and tickle them under the chin?
Wild sharks!
These aren't trained sharks.
They're wild in the ocean.
mike tyson
Like the seven-foot sharks, you know, the little green reef shark.
He's hitting me and it's like, boom, oh!
I'm like, fucking hell, boom!
And then he continues to hit me.
joe rogan
This is right here?
mike tyson
Yeah, watch this.
joe rogan
So, Mike, what are you wearing?
Chainmail?
Is that like a chainmail suit or something like that?
It's supposed to, like, something protect you?
mike tyson
No, no, no.
Please look how stupid I look.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
So you have this bite suit on.
Is that what it is?
mike tyson
Listen.
joe rogan
Did he bite you at all?
mike tyson
No, right?
But this is the thing.
This is the real thing.
joe rogan
This is so crazy.
You're touching its face.
mike tyson
This one thing just kept hitting me, man.
Hit me in the guts.
Hit me in the head.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
Mike, this is so much more dangerous than boxing.
mike tyson
No doubt, but my wife thought that Dana was doing me a favor.
My wife.
She thought Dana was doing us a favor.
He was helping our family out make money without getting hurt.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
mike tyson
Holy shit.
Thanks a lot, wife.
My baby, I love you, Kiki.
joe rogan
Tigers are scary, but sharks are just as scary in the ocean.
mike tyson
You can't even get away from them.
Yeah, you're more successful with a tiger because you're going to scream, and he might freak out and run.
joe rogan
You think so?
mike tyson
Sometimes they do.
joe rogan
I think they'd enjoy it.
I think if you screamed at a tiger, I think you would think it's adorable.
mike tyson
You know what I found out about tigers?
Tigers are really like wimps and stuff.
Really?
Yeah, if you step on their hand, they'll freak out.
They're not going to fight back.
unidentified
Really?
mike tyson
If you step on that feet.
unidentified
Really?
mike tyson
If you hit that feet, they'll freak out.
unidentified
Really?
mike tyson
Freak out, yeah.
And know what else I found out about sharks, too?
joe rogan
What?
mike tyson
That stuff that we see on television, you get a chair, but a chair freaks them out.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
mike tyson
A chair freaks them out.
Tigers do.
Lions do.
Freaks them out.
I don't know why, but a chair, like a wooden chair, four legs, you go like that, it freaks them out.
joe rogan
Huh.
I wonder why.
mike tyson
Remember when you see a cartoon, they had the whip in the chair?
joe rogan
That's right, they always did.
mike tyson
The chair freaks them out.
joe rogan
Oh, well that makes sense.
Damn, I'm learning some shit on this podcast.
mike tyson
I did too, like when I saw them, whatever.
Then I saw the chairs freak them out, everything.
joe rogan
That makes total sense.
That was always the image of the guy who tamed a lion.
He had a chair in his hand.
mike tyson
The chair freaks them out.
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Wow.
joe rogan
What a strange animal.
mike tyson
You know what's strange about a tiger?
When he's just laying down and then you come in the room and you're just chilling, then you open your eyes and his eyes are at your eyes.
Oof.
And you're like this.
Hey!
Everything cool?
You know, you wake him up.
You can't leave.
This is interesting.
You can't leave a tiger.
The lion's cool, but you can't leave a tiger like this too long.
When you're looking.
You told me that's challenging.
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Yeah.
mike tyson
That's what it was.
That's probably what it was.
You can't do this too long with them.
That's why when I look at him, he's like, hey, hey, hey, excuse me.
joe rogan
What a fucking gamble that is.
What a gamble.
It's basically living with a monster.
mike tyson
Well, listen, it's difficult because you get brainwashed because you raised them from a baby and then you reprimand them and they get in check and stuff.
Like, yeah, okay, I'm in check.
Yeah, you pissed me off again.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
mike tyson
But it's the intoxication in your mind, the intoxication that you're in control.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
That's the bullshit.
You're believing in bullshit.
False sense of security.
You're in control with this big cat.
This cat's 500 pounds.
You raise the sense of the baby, but he pisses him off sometimes.
You piss the cat off sometimes.
You get mad that he fought.
You might smack him.
He might get pissed off.
joe rogan
Did you watch Tiger King?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that wild?
mike tyson
That's a very interesting guy, Joe.
joe rogan
Oh, hilarious guy.
mike tyson
Listen, he has so much of one of those, what do you call those, guard complex, you know, got these guys in control.
joe rogan
Messiah complex.
mike tyson
Listen, he had one of his workers sacrifice their arm and still go to work and say, hey, I'm working free of charge.
That's that guard period.
That's that guard mentality shit.
What do they call that guard complex?
joe rogan
Well, he turned straight guys out.
mike tyson
He's married to two guys.
joe rogan
Two straight guys.
mike tyson
He's married to two guys.
joe rogan
He's a wizard.
mike tyson
His ego got him in trouble.
He's going to kill this bitch.
He's going to say, I'm going to have her killed.
He's still in jail, isn't he?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's still in jail.
The type of person that is interested in collecting tigers is a very interesting type of person.
mike tyson
Whoa!
I don't even want to say what kind of person that is.
joe rogan
What kind of person?
mike tyson
That collects big cats.
joe rogan
You don't want to say it?
mike tyson
You know, it's just very...
It's all for profit.
There's nothing out of love.
See, I love the cats.
I'm risking getting eaten by these guys.
These guys put them in cages and barred.
I sleep with them.
I sleep in my bed with them, and this guy keeps them in cages.
joe rogan
Mike, you want to hear the craziest statistic?
mike tyson
What?
joe rogan
There's more tigers in captivity in private collections in Texas.
Just in Texas.
mike tyson
Well, Beaumont got some good collections of tigers.
joe rogan
It's like, how many tigers are in Texas?
There's like 3,000 tigers out here.
mike tyson
It's a big, big black market.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's legal here.
mike tyson
I had like four tigers.
joe rogan
Four.
mike tyson
I mean, I had four.
Imagine a guy that's black market underground.
That guy, Joe, exactly.
He had 20 and tons of them, right?
Beautiful ones, too.
joe rogan
So when you had four, did you have four at the same time, or did you have four ones at different times?
mike tyson
Yeah, I had three at one time.
joe rogan
Three at one time.
Wow.
mike tyson
And the only one that bit me with the damn lion, because I'm trying to give him the technique shot.
I think I'm a fucking, excuse me, I think I'm a doctor.
So I'm going to give him a technique shot, because I don't want no one to know I have this lion and tiger, so I have to be the doctor.
I have to be the mother, the father, the doctor.
Oh, no.
So I got to give him this technique, and this nigga takes a job.
This baby takes a chunk out of me.
joe rogan
How bad was it?
mike tyson
I had like seven stitches, eight stitches, but it was a chunk.
joe rogan
That must be terrifying, though, when they bite down on you.
mike tyson
I used to want him to get my vein.
I was worried about him getting my vein.
Shit.
joe rogan
So did he get the Tecna shot?
Did you give it to him?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got it in there?
mike tyson
Well, that's why he bit me.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
It's a big fucking animal.
That is a big fucking animal.
mike tyson
I was in my delusional stage that I'm Mike Tyson, I'm the baddest motherfucker on the planet, and these lions and tigers are gonna know it too.
You know, and it didn't work out that way.
It didn't come out the way I planned it.
It really didn't.
They acknowledged that I was inferior, and they just bounced me.
Listen, um...
They're bigger now, so the tiger and the lion are fighting.
And for some reason, I don't know why the tiger's bigger, but the lion, the tiger's intimidated the lion a little, right?
And he's bigger, like 200 pounds bigger.
So the lion's chasing him, right?
So the lion's chasing the tiger, and the wall is here.
The lion goes right, the tiger goes right up the wall, boom!
Oh, wow.
He's chasing him.
And the tiger runs up the wall.
And the lion hits the wall.
He's not as agile as the lion.
The tiger's 20 years.
joe rogan
The tiger's more agile.
mike tyson
Yeah, 20 years.
20 pounds.
What?
200 pounds heavier.
And he's more agile.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
He went right up that wall, walked right up the wall.
joe rogan
The thing about the male lions is they're just big to protect.
They're big to protect and control the tribe.
The females do all the hunting.
mike tyson
Yeah, they do all the fighting.
joe rogan
Did you ever hear about that island where the river broke off into a different direction and made this area an island in Africa?
And the lions that live there, all they have to eat is water buffalo.
So they have lions and water buffalo, and these lions have grown bigger than regular lions.
So the female lions that live there, they're as big as regular male lions.
They're fucking huge.
Because all they do is, I think it's called Relentless Enemies, and all they do is hunt these buffaloes.
They're like super-sized lions.
Because it's a whole pride of lions.
mike tyson
Look how beautiful they look when they're healthy.
joe rogan
Where the females are enormous because they have to take down...
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Look at the stomach.
mike tyson
Look at the stomach.
That's how you can tell them they've been eating.
Look at the stomach.
joe rogan
I mean, they're fucking super jacked lions.
All they have to do is eat these giant-ass buffalo, which are impossible to take down.
mike tyson
And they could get killed easily.
They kill lions as well, these buffaloes.
joe rogan
So the only ones that lived...
mike tyson
Look at this guy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
The only ones that lived were the ones who were the descendants of the animals that are strong enough to kill the buffalo.
And so those are the ones that bred, and then within, you know, how many hundreds of years that this has been going on?
mike tyson
Show us some white lions.
Do you know...
Well, just recently.
Normally when a white lion is born, they normally kill it and let it starve to death.
Really?
Yeah, one instance they found where they hunted for this white lion.
You come out in brown and green and white, everybody's going to see you.
Right.
joe rogan
So that's why the other lions kill it?
mike tyson
They killed it and fed them, helped them eat.
That never happened before.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
So ordinarily you think they would kill it because it's too visual?
mike tyson
Yeah, it gives the tribe away.
But they were scared of it too.
It was always an omen.
Even with tigers and lions, they see white that's scared to kill it.
joe rogan
Yeah, albino animals are weird.
I saw an albino...
mike tyson
That's not albino, though.
joe rogan
Oh, that's just white.
mike tyson
Yeah.
No one knows how that happens.
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Wow.
mike tyson
Look up how do they turn white.
Why are they white?
joe rogan
Yeah, because they're not living in a snowy area like a polar bear or something like that.
mike tyson
Hey, but listen, that's where it stems from.
Really?
Hiding the grass?
Hiding the ice and the snow.
joe rogan
Oh, right, for polar bears.
mike tyson
No, the cats too.
joe rogan
Cats too?
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Really?
mike tyson
Yeah, they all stem from the cold.
Siberia, whatever.
They all come from the white ones.
In the jungle, you can see it, but in the snow, you can't.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a lynx before?
Yes.
mike tyson
I had a lynx before.
joe rogan
Did you really?
mike tyson
Little guy.
They're mean little shit.
They're not cool as pets.
joe rogan
They're not?
mike tyson
Not too cool.
joe rogan
What was the lynx like?
mike tyson
It's tough.
Don't fuck with me.
Let me do my stuff.
Walk around the house.
joe rogan
They look cool.
They got crazy paws.
mike tyson
Most of them are not...
You can't hold them a lot.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
mike tyson
The little ones are tough.
The big ones are more lovey-dovey than the little ones.
Look at that cat.
Does that cat look like he wants to hug you and play with you?
The person's holding him.
He don't look like he wants to be there.
Look at him.
joe rogan
No, no.
Look at the eyes on that fucking thing.
mike tyson
They don't cool.
Listen, they're just not cool.
joe rogan
Look at the eyes on that thing.
mike tyson
Even when they're cool, they're not cool.
They don't look cool.
That cat don't look cool, the guy holding him, right?
joe rogan
No.
Go to that picture again with the guy holding him.
mike tyson
He just don't look cool, man.
The guy's happy.
This guy just don't look cool.
joe rogan
He's a dork.
He's going to get clawed.
mike tyson
Yeah, this guy just don't look good, man.
I never knew they were that big.
Mine weren't that big.
That's like a dog, man.
joe rogan
Dude, the eyes.
Look at that cat's eyes.
mike tyson
See, that thing's been eating.
Somebody's been feeding that cat.
joe rogan
Look in his eyes, though.
That is horrific.
mike tyson
The little cats are tough.
The big cats are easier than the little guys.
joe rogan
Well, it makes sense.
They have to hustle.
Look at these guys.
They have to be killing things all the time.
mike tyson
All the time.
joe rogan
Because they're eating rabbits and stuff.
mike tyson
Look at one dyke.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mike tyson
Looks like they need him.
joe rogan
Hunt and devour a lynx.
Yeah, makes sense.
Trying to wipe out the competition.
mike tyson
All the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a hard life being a small cat living in the wild.
mike tyson
That's true, but they live longer because they eat less.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
They probably live longer, too, because they just stay out of conflict, just keep moving.
mike tyson
They're in a lot of conflict, believe it or not.
During the day, they're out a lot.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Look at that one, biting a deer.
mike tyson
I never knew he could take a deer down.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
Look at the rabbit.
joe rogan
Okay, so this is in...
unidentified
What part of the world is this?
mike tyson
Bosnia.
joe rogan
Eurasia.
It's a Eurasian lynx.
It's a little different.
mike tyson
It's like Mongolian, right?
Oh, yeah.
Down around there.
Megolian Steps.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that's a fascinating subject.
I love when we talked about that last time.
Temujin, Genghis Khan.
I love how fascinated you are in those ancient conquerors.
Those ancient historical figures are fascinating.
mike tyson
All these guys went to guys we thought they were.
Alexander the Great was probably smaller and shorter than Napoleon.
You hear these guys, you think they're big guys.
These are little guys.
Right.
The biggest guy is the guy from Russia, Peter the Great.
He's the biggest Concord there ever been.
joe rogan
How big was he?
mike tyson
About 6'7", something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
mike tyson
Listen, one of the mummies, I forgot, one of them, he was 6'5".
You know, he had a real long skeleton.
And then when you see the...
The pyramids, and you go in there, you have to, it's around this big.
joe rogan
You got to crouch.
mike tyson
No, you always got to bend down.
This is similar worshiping God.
joe rogan
What do you think, when you see the pyramids, what the fuck do you think happened there?
How is that possible?
How is it possible that someone could make something that big, that incredible, so many thousands of years ago?
mike tyson
I believe humans can do anything.
That's what I believe.
I believe humans with conviction can do anything.
joe rogan
I believe that too, but I mean, how?
How the fuck did they do that?
mike tyson
Well listen, believe it or not, all that we accomplished, we're really not that smart.
Okay.
joe rogan
Well, definitely not me.
mike tyson
Listen, you know the caves in France where they got the writing?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, the paintings and shit.
mike tyson
Keep game though, right?
That's in France.
There's no lines in France.
There's lines on the wall.
But no, not only that, say what, 40,000 years ago, lines didn't have means.
They wrote lines, but they didn't paint the main.
unidentified
Really?
mike tyson
So 40,000 years ago, they didn't have means.
They painted what they saw.
And 40,000 years ago, France was attached to Africa.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Yeah, it had to be.
In order to have lions in a cave in France, did he write what he saw in Africa and brought it to this cave?
joe rogan
Well, one thing I know for sure, Mike, is that a bunch of mammals died off, they think, around 12,000 years ago.
They think at the end of the Ice Age, there was a big die-off.
mike tyson
A big cat.
joe rogan
A lot of animals in North America.
mike tyson
And they were too big to survive.
People could see them.
They couldn't move fast.
joe rogan
Sure.
There's a bunch of different stuff.
Giant sloths died off.
There was an American lion that was bigger than the African lion that was here that died off.
mike tyson
It was the saber tooth.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a saber-tooth, too, but there was also another one that was an American lion.
It was a huge lion that lived here in North America.
There was a bunch of wild shit here.
Even horses were wild here at one point in time.
And then the Europeans brought them in again.
Well, they started here, apparently.
This is from this Dan Flores.
mike tyson
What do you think about animals and humans breeding?
You think that's possible?
joe rogan
I think if it was, there would be a lot of, like, half sheep, half horse, half dog people out there.
Thank God we can't.
I'm worried about scientists.
That's what I'm worried about.
I'm worried about scientists doing something to DNA and making something that's not a person anymore.
Something that is like...
If a scientist actually made a werewolf, a thing that's part human, part wolf, and said, listen, why would we risk human lives in war if we've all committed to just ground-on-ground combat?
Let's make werewolves.
Send them out to...
mike tyson
Because we're like big kids.
Sometimes we don't like the outcome.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
Fuck that.
I didn't lose.
I didn't want to.
Fuck you.
I'm going to let the fucking real bomb off now.
Click.
We're children.
joe rogan
That scares the shit out of me.
mike tyson
What?
joe rogan
That someone could let the real bomb go off again.
mike tyson
Why would you be scared about dying?
joe rogan
It's not the dying part.
It's the dying slowly part.
The dying part's not scared.
mike tyson
Dying is dying.
Death is death.
joe rogan
Death is death.
The real problem is the deterioration of all common decency and full chaos.
No power, no food, no nothing.
A lot of radiation poisoning, a lot of people dead from the initial blast, a lot of people dying from whatever's done to the water and the soil afterwards over the next 50 years.
mike tyson
So what are we gonna do?
joe rogan
Hopefully not blow each other up.
Did you ever get to meet Putin?
mike tyson
No, I didn't meet Mr. Putin, but I met his, what was this guy's name?
He died.
Come on, the guy with the...
joe rogan
Gorbachev?
mike tyson
He was the president, Mr. Gorbachev.
joe rogan
You met him?
Wow.
mike tyson
In Georgia or something?
What was it, Georgia?
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
The country of Georgia?
mike tyson
Yeah, the country of Georgia.
I hung around in Chetney.
I hung around that place a lot.
joe rogan
Oh yeah?
What's that like?
mike tyson
Interesting.
It's different than us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
It's totally different than we are.
We live totally different than us.
joe rogan
It's a different culture and the history of that country is so brutal.
mike tyson
Well, you know, in order for them to be brutal, they had to have a heavier, stronger power to intimidate them.
The only way they could fight them is through, I don't know, what do they call that?
Man-to-man combat, use themselves as bombs and stuff like that.
How are they going to fight Russia?
How are you going to fight Moscow, your little small country like that, Chetania and stuff?
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
Remember they had the widows of the Chetanian warriors, the ones that sacrificed their life for Chetania, and they had the widows of them, and they kidnapped a bunch of people in the movie theater, and they released some kind of gas to kill the Chetanian warrior women, and they killed all the people in the movie theater, too.
joe rogan
Jesus.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
When was this?
mike tyson
Want to look that up?
Yeah, look that up.
joe rogan
It's a rough fucking part of the world, and it always has been.
mike tyson
Russian movie theater, Chetnian Terrace.
joe rogan
So many fighters come out of Russia right now.
mike tyson
Oh, they're the best.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
mike tyson
Listen.
joe rogan
So many killers.
mike tyson
They fought the Vikings.
joe rogan
Yep.
mike tyson
Fought the Vikings.
joe rogan
Here we go.
mike tyson
Before they were Vikings.
joe rogan
Hostage Crisis in Moscow Theater from 2002. Check it out.
mike tyson
Check it out.
Check it out, dude.
joe rogan
So, October 23rd, 2002, 50 Chechen rebels storm a Moscow theater, taking up to 800 people hostage during a sold-out performance of a popular musical.
The second act of the musical, Nord Ost, was just beginning in the Moscow ball-bearing plant's Palace of Culture.
When an armed man walked on stage and fired a machine gun into the air.
The terrorists, including a number of women with explosives strapped to their bodies, identified themselves as members of the Chechen army.
They had one demand that Russian military forces begin an immediate and complete withdrawal from from Chechnya the war-torn region Located to the north located north of the Caucasus mountains Chechnya was with its predominantly Muslim population had long struggled to assert its independence a disastrous two-year war ended in 1996 but Russian forces returned to the region just three years later after Russian authorities blamed Chechens for a series of bombings in Russia Wow, okay.
So it was a 57-hour standoff at this Palace of Culture, during which two hostages were killed.
Russian Special Forces surrounded and raided the theater on the morning of October 26. Later it was revealed that they had pumped a powerful narcotic gas into the building, knocking nearly all of the terrorists and hostages unconscious before breaking into the walls and roof and entering through underground sewage tunnels.
Holy shit.
Most of the gorillas and 120 hostages were killed during the raid.
Holy fuck.
mike tyson
120 hostages killed from the gas.
Not from the gas.
It's not from the bomb explosion.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Saying only a complete surprise attack could have disarmed the terrorists before they had time to detonate their explosives.
Wow.
They had to defend the decision to use the gas.
mike tyson
That's stupid, though.
They killed more people than the terrorists did.
joe rogan
Well, Jesus fucking Christ.
It's a hard part of the world, Mike.
Excuse me?
It's a hard part of the world.
mike tyson
But when it's beautiful, it's beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they're architecture.
Like, look at Moscow.
mike tyson
No, I'm talking about the people.
joe rogan
Oh, the people.
Oh, yeah.
The people are beautiful.
mike tyson
Incredible.
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Incredible people.
joe rogan
Powerful people over there.
mike tyson
Hey, listen.
They're the most humbled people in the world.
You know?
Oh, man.
You just can't believe it.
joe rogan
Beautiful people.
I see this Ukraine tragedy happening on television, and it's horrific, and it's crazy, and it's hard to watch, and you're like, why are we doing this?
It's 2022. I can't believe a real war is breaking out like this again in a new place.
But when we see it, one of the things that's blown me away is all these Ukraine fighters That have taken up arms.
Lomachenko, the Klitschko brothers, Usyk, all these guys that are like huge superstars.
They're putting on flak jackets and helmets and they're defending their country.
It's wild to see.
mike tyson
They benefit from that country.
Justice Reich should band up and fight for it.
joe rogan
I don't imagine a world where that would be that common in America.
Unless we were legitimately invaded.
mike tyson
It started off as, I don't know, a business war, I guess, with Putin.
He wanted whatever they possessed.
And then people got involved, we got involved, and it turned into a war of humanity.
joe rogan
It's a war of humanity, right?
mike tyson
From business to war to humanity.
That's where it started.
It started for business.
Putin wanted something.
I don't know what it was that he wanted.
I don't know anything, but I just know normally wars are started because somebody wants something that you possess.
And everybody got involved with it, so we made it a war of pretty much...
Being humanitarian, I don't know.
Everybody's jumping on the bandwagon, I think.
I think it's just...
I think people are jumping on the bandwagon.
joe rogan
You know what it's made me aware of, too?
How much military activity is going on all over the world at any given time.
mike tyson
Yeah, we don't know about.
Imagine those third world countries where people are just eliminating other races of Muslims.
One Muslim is just eliminating this race of Muslims.
joe rogan
Yeah, people using drones.
mike tyson
The Kurds and whatever they are.
joe rogan
Bombings.
mike tyson
And we know nothing about it.
Yeah, we know nothing about it.
joe rogan
My friend Dave Smith is always talking about the bombing in Yemen.
And he's like, do you know what a horrific genocide is taking place in Yemen?
And he talks about these bombings.
I'm like, well, try finding that in the news, man.
You don't find anything like that in the news.
But one of the days, in the early days of the Russian-Ukraine war, someone put a graph up.
That showed how many bombings occurred, like how many, I don't know what you would call it when a drone detonates a missile.
Like how many of those happened in other parts of the world and how many of those happened in Russia?
mike tyson
I think how many Afghanistans got crushed with, what are those things you call, tanks.
How many of these tanks just ran over them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Crushed everybody, but instantly crushed their lives.
There's no compassion in that part of the world.
Once the monster is let out, there's no compassion.
joe rogan
Right, and war has been going on there for so long now.
mike tyson
Since the beginning of time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Since Moses.
joe rogan
That's what's really insane when you think about a place like Iraq.
Iraq has a history that goes all the way back to ancient Babylon, ancient Sumer.
mike tyson
They destroyed that stuff over there.
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Yeah.
mike tyson
Anything that threatens Allah, they destroy.
joe rogan
It's amazing to watch, because these are these beautiful ancient statues, and they dynamite them, and you're like, whoa.
mike tyson
They're threatened.
They're threatened the humanity to those people.
joe rogan
I know, but it's like to not understand the value of something that's so ancient, so beautiful, and was created by people thousands and thousands of years ago.
mike tyson
People enslaved.
joe rogan
The people that made it, you mean?
mike tyson
No, listen.
I found out too.
They probably were, but listen.
joe rogan
Probably.
mike tyson
Not all the Egyptians were in the state.
They did it for God's purpose.
joe rogan
Yeah, they think the Egyptians were skilled workers by the food that they ate and where they lived in.
mike tyson
I thought it was slavery, too.
No, it was in the name of God.
joe rogan
Well, it kind of makes sense that it wasn't slavery because I'm sure there was some slavery, right?
But I mean, the actual construction of it is so skillful.
Like, it has to be so precise.
Like, it can't be off anywhere in any direction.
And the stones are so big.
mike tyson
The Egyptians were big liars.
joe rogan
They were lying?
mike tyson
Yeah.
They always did pictures.
They're very conscious of the image.
They were fat ones.
They never showed fat Egyptians.
joe rogan
Oh, so the paintings of them.
Yeah.
mike tyson
They had Egyptians getting high.
They don't show that.
They had the cocaine.
Put in the cocaine mummy, please.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they found cocaine residue.
mike tyson
No, no, more than that.
Show them the cocaine moment.
They said, cocaine in his hair.
joe rogan
In his hair?
mike tyson
There's no cocaine that don't grow in that part of the world.
So, you know, they did a lot of traveling and trading.
joe rogan
Right.
That's right.
That's right.
mike tyson
Because Colombia has pyramids too.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah.
mike tyson
All those places in Mexico have pyramids.
I went to the pyramids in Mexico.
joe rogan
Cocaine metabolites in pre-Columbian mummy here.
There it is.
Chewing of coccalees.
Oh, because of this pre-Columbian populations.
Eight Chilean mummies with dates ranging from 2000 BC to 1500 AD. I think there was an Egyptian mummy too though, Jamie, where they found some cocaine residue.
I think we're combining two stores.
mike tyson
Cocaine will use as a medicine or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good one too though.
That's a good one too.
They were definitely doing coke.
jamie vernon
This one had, I believe, the Egyptian mummy with...
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
mike tyson
Cocaine mummy is called.
joe rogan
I can't read that, Jamie, it's too small.
A 1992 German toxicologist, say that name, Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish, and nicotine in Hanout Tawi's hair, I hope I'm saying that right, as well as on the hair of several other mummies in the museum.
Interesting.
So they were doing coke.
mike tyson
And they smoked cigarettes as well.
joe rogan
I think they think there was something else that might have registered positive for cocaine.
mike tyson
I think the cocaine was when they did stuff for painless when they did it for the Painkills?
Whatever it was, I believe.
joe rogan
I just don't think...
After these experiments, assuming the cocaine was actually found in the mummies, it's possible there could be contamination, which occurred after this discovery of the mummies.
mike tyson
Somebody got the mummy high.
joe rogan
Somebody got the mummy and then they did coke off a mummy?
mike tyson
Yeah, give me the fuck out of here, man.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if that's the story, though?
mike tyson
Imagine, I can see that happening.
I can see that happening.
Come on, man.
My kind of world, I can see that, yeah.
joe rogan
If there's a dude who's like, bro, I bet you won't do coke off that mummy.
mike tyson
Matter of fact, I bet you won't sniff something with the mummy.
joe rogan
Yes.
mike tyson
Sniff some of the mummy in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe he was like doing a sacrifice to the mummy.
Here's a little coke for you.
mike tyson
Hey, let's check out...
You know what I read?
I read if you take some of the platelets from baby rats and stick it in older rats, they become younger.
So it was a queen.
joe rogan
Elizabeth Bathory.
mike tyson
She used to bathe in virgin blood.
joe rogan
She was like a serial killer, supposedly.
mike tyson
But she did, you know, to her platelets and everything, she became younger and useful.
joe rogan
That's what I read too, but then someone told me that there's a real possibility that she was set up because they wanted her land.
mike tyson
Possibility.
joe rogan
And so what they did is they made it seem like she was some...
mike tyson
Hey, let's check it out.
Let's go on the never-lying YouTube.
joe rogan
Elizabeth Bathory is her name.
mike tyson
The Never Lying YouTube.
joe rogan
They felt like she was almost like a vampire.
Like she would bathe in the blood of these young girls that she thought were attractive.
She would kill them and bathe in them.
But then the thing is, if you do know that they were trying to get her land, that sounds like something someone would make up back then if you wanted to take someone's shit.
mike tyson
Yeah, if you could She's a witch.
Especially if you're a respectable person.
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People don't know you're a scumbag, really.
joe rogan
Especially when you're talking about a witch.
Who's going to defend a witch, Mike?
She's going to eat your kids.
We got to get rid of her.
We'll divide her land.
I'll give you 100 acres for free.
mike tyson
I should have it all, really.
I thought about this, but I should have it all and you guys will be my butlers.
joe rogan
What does it say here?
mike tyson
The powerful woman made more so far for her control of who this guy?
joe rogan
Giorgio Thurza, the Count Palestine of Hungary, was ordered by Matthias then King of Hungary to investigate.
The Count Palpatine determined after taking depositions from the people living in the area surrounding her estate that Bathory had tortured and killed more than 600 girls with the assistance of her servants.
Wow!
Okay, that's a lot.
Maybe she really did.
No way.
mike tyson
No way.
600, man.
Come on.
The whole judicial system was down for this, man.
They were in this together.
joe rogan
Maybe it could be a setup.
On December 30th, 1609, Bathory and her servants were arrested.
The servants were put on trial in 1611, and three were executed.
Although never tried, Bathory was confined to her chambers at the Castle Cachiche...
Cachiche...
mike tyson
She remained there.
Until she died, baby.
joe rogan
Yeah, she died in a hole.
They just left her in a fucking cell.
mike tyson
What year?
She died 11?
joe rogan
The fact that a large debt was owned by Matthias Two Bathory was canceled by her family in exchange for permitting them to manage her captivity suggests that the acts attributed to her were politically motivated slander that allowed relatives to appropriate her lands.
mike tyson
Women with landers, you know, they wouldn't Give her that much power, but women with land, they're going to take that stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it says, documents from the 1611 trial supported the accusations made against her.
Modern scholarship has questioned the veracity of the allegations, because Bathory was a powerful woman, and made more so by her control of Nadasdi's holdings after his death.
And so, there was a lot of money involved, so Matias owed money to Bathory, and that money was cancelled out for permitting them to manage her captivity.
mike tyson
Listen, it never changes.
joe rogan
Money, money, and love.
mike tyson
Money and love never changes.
joe rogan
But what a good story.
If it was real.
If it was really an old, rich lady killing young girls and bathing in their blood.
mike tyson
Hey, but listen, I saw the platelets of young rats make older rats younger.
joe rogan
And the opposite.
When you put old rat blood in a young rat, they behave slowly and tired.
Yeah.
There was a thing that was going around that they were saying that billionaires, tech billionaires, were doing that.
And that they were getting young people, were donating blood, and they were getting young blood transfused into their blood.
But I heard that was horse shit.
Is that horse shit?
Or is that real?
mike tyson
And listen, I know any way a person could extend his life, he'll do it.
joe rogan
A lot of people would.
mike tyson
If he could extend his life another year.
joe rogan
Especially if it changes the quality of your life.
You feel young again.
mike tyson
That would be the only reason.
Other than that, there would be no reason for doing it.
joe rogan
Well, you're still vulnerable to death, especially accidents and stuff.
But, like, what was that all about?
jamie vernon
According to this story in the BBC, it says there was 100 people that participated in a clinical trial in San Francisco.
joe rogan
Right, but there was an actual company that was advertising.
Remember that?
And we were like, is this a parody?
Because we'd heard like Peter Thiel or some of those rich billionaire type characters.
You know, that was always like the rumor that they were investing in these companies.
mike tyson
But listen, you know they took these guys that one time off the street and tried their psychedelics on them and see how it affects them and stuff.
joe rogan
That's for sure.
The CIA did a lot of that.
mike tyson
So imagine, that's like Hitler did.
He let people escape and know they'd be back in two hours because they'd be addicted to a certain kind of shitty...
joe rogan
Oh, really?
mike tyson
Yeah, that's what I heard.
He would let them go.
You know, they had all kinds of creepy stories.
joe rogan
Well, we know for a fact the government did all kinds of crazy shit with LSD in like the 1950s and the 1960s.
They had all these MKUltra mind control experiences.
mike tyson
LSD helped a lot of people.
joe rogan
It did help a lot of people.
mike tyson
It helped a lot of people.
joe rogan
It cooked a lot of people's brains too.
mike tyson
You know, that's the price you pay for greatness, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think it's a dose thing.
I think there's a certain dose where you really shouldn't cross a line.
mike tyson
This is what I believe.
I believe we're made of all this stuff.
And that's why when we take it, we get that response to it.
joe rogan
For sure, there's something, like one of the things they say about the strongest drugs, like the toad, like 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine, is that it's the most, all the really strong ones are the ones that are more closely related to the normal human neurochemistry, like the actual chemicals your brain makes, because it makes those chemicals.
mike tyson
There's White Cobra, they use that too.
joe rogan
Oh really?
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Yeah.
mike tyson
Is that like a venom?
That's heroin.
That's natural heroin.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Yeah, that and lizard's tail.
The lizard's tail is natural heroin.
Really?
Yeah, some of these animals are naturally toxic.
joe rogan
I know they use that venom, too.
mike tyson
Natural heroin.
Look up white cobra venom.
joe rogan
It's like an opiate?
mike tyson
See what they say?
I think it's a thing in China they're doing, white cobra venom.
joe rogan
How the fuck does anybody find that out?
Accidentally.
mike tyson
All the animals are descendants from actual gods.
You know that, right?
joe rogan
Snake venom use as a substitute for opioids.
Wow.
A case report and review of literature.
The mind-altering agents such as tobacco, cannabis, and opium Wow.
That's crazy.
Dudes were doing snake venom.
mike tyson
Holy shit.
It's big in China.
We're big in China.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
mike tyson
Look up Lizard's tail, if you don't mind.
joe rogan
Imagine getting so high you want to get high with snake venom.
mike tyson
No, listen brother.
joe rogan
Let's take a chance.
mike tyson
That's what they did.
That's what the ancients did.
joe rogan
I'm sure they did.
I'm sure they did.
They did with ergot.
They did it with a fungus that mimics LSD. They found that in their wine jars.
Apparently all the wine they had back then was mixed and stuff.
mike tyson
And when we die, we become fungus too.
joe rogan
Yep.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the fungus will devour us.
mike tyson
And something will eat us and get high.
Some animals will eat us and pass out and then bug out.
joe rogan
Isn't it kind of rude that we use, that we take our bodies and make it like, use formaldehyde?
And then when you put it in the ground, it doesn't rot.
Isn't that kind of rude?
mike tyson
No, I think...
joe rogan
It's like we're not giving back.
mike tyson
I think we give back by living.
As soon as we go on the ground, we're going to be eating.
The bugs and rats are going to go on our skull and our eyes and everything.
joe rogan
Does lizard tail lacing heighten cannabis addiction?
jamie vernon
There's another story I saw about a guy in jail that couldn't get weed, so he started drying and smoking lizard tails.
For an instant high, it said.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's ridiculous.
mike tyson
It got bipolar effect, huh?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Smoking lizard tails.
People will do anything to escape their current state of mind.
You know?
They'll try almost anything.
mike tyson
Getting high since the beginning of time.
The cavemen fucking did something with grass and rocks.
Everybody did some kind of wine it was, I believe.
Even the cavemen had something they got high off of.
joe rogan
I'm sure there was all kinds of plants that you could eat that get you fucked up in some way.
Like tobacco.
You could eat tobacco.
Tobacco by itself, it's a stimulant.
It does something to your brain.
I wonder if they just would chew the leaves.
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I wonder how they first started using tobacco before they smoked it.
mike tyson
When you do tobacco, a good grade of tobacco...
You start getting ready.
joe rogan
Get real antsy.
mike tyson
Yeah, you ready.
Get that energy.
joe rogan
Energy, right?
Yeah.
Cigars give me energy.
Cigarettes, too.
mike tyson
That's why, that's why, I don't, nicotine's not good, but every now and then I need to roll a blunt, nigga.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love blunts.
mike tyson
Before I wake up.
Ooh, then I'm gone, right?
Before working out.
joe rogan
Different kind of high, right?
mike tyson
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the best high.
The blunt high's the best high.
Yeah.
Tobacco is one of them.
Another one of them is the coca leaves.
Apparently, if you don't make cocaine out of it, you just chew the leaves.
mike tyson
Yeah, it numbs you.
joe rogan
It's great.
They say it's great.
mike tyson
They do that in Colombia.
That's all they do, chew the coca leaves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
And they put the paste, the cocoa paste.
joe rogan
Yeah, that shit's all illegal here, though.
Too many people like it, you know?
mike tyson
Listen, it's the food of the gods.
That's what it is.
joe rogan
A lot of it is.
mike tyson
Food of the gods.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's probably the gateway to the gods.
There was a book that this guy wrote in the 1970s, a guy named John Marco Allegro.
He wrote a book on psychedelic mushrooms and Jesus.
It was called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
And he was one of those guys that decoded the Dead Sea Scrolls.
So he was a scholar and he was also an ordained minister, but he became agnostic after he started reading all this biblical literature and stuff and realizing that a lot of these stories come from older and older stories.
So he reads this thing for 14 years and decodes it and he comes up with this theory that Christianity was really based around psychedelic mushrooms and fertility cults.
And this whole story about what Jesus is.
The word Jesus in this guy's translation of ancient Sumerian is a mushroom covered in God's semen.
mike tyson
But Jesus' story goes all the way back to Babylon.
His story about the warrior.
joe rogan
It's all very similar.
mike tyson
The warrior who killed his wife fooled around him and they said the baby came from him and he's the seed of the god and so they made that into Jesus.
So to say.
I don't know if it's true.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's true either.
mike tyson
They have the same story.
joe rogan
He thinks the origins of that story is all psychedelic mushrooms.
That's what he thinks.
He thinks people, ancient people, found these psychedelic mushrooms and get connected to God.
And through eating them, they developed this moral and ethical framework of how to live.
God gave them visions of how to do things the right way.
And he thinks it all came from the consumption of these psychedelic mushrooms.
And this guy was a straight...
Like, academic.
He wasn't a crazy person.
He wasn't like some Timothy Leary guy who was like off the deep end.
He was a straight-laced, sober academic who came up with this theory.
It's very interesting stuff.
mike tyson
We know nothing about us.
What do we know about the human race?
What do we know?
That's who we really are, human?
Are we really human?
What are we?
joe rogan
What are we?
Here's the weird one, Mike.
We're so much different than everything else that's here.
So much different.
We're so far ahead of everything else that's here.
mike tyson
We're so far ahead and then still far behind.
joe rogan
Almost kind of unnatural in a way, right?
Like we're struggling with our nature.
More so than any other animal.
A wolf doesn't wonder, is being a wolf the right thing to do?
Is this the right life for me?
Maybe I'm in the wrong gender.
A wolf doesn't give a fuck.
It just lives.
mike tyson
That's what separates us from animals, supposedly.
Our rationale.
We can reason.
joe rogan
Yes, we can reason and we can consider.
mike tyson
That separates the fox from all the other animals in the jungle.
He can reason.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
He can think.
The only one, the only instincts.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
They have instincts.
He has reason.
joe rogan
Well, chimps have instincts, too.
They do some wild shit.
They set traps for monkeys.
That David Attenborough documentary.
mike tyson
I saw that.
joe rogan
He's detailing how they're setting the traps.
mike tyson
They go this way, chasing that way.
The other ones are going this way.
joe rogan
They have ones waiting.
So somehow or another, they're communicating with each other.
mike tyson
And they run right into him.
He runs right into the other monkey.
The monkey's right there.
He runs right into them.
And he sees them and the monkey just grabs them.
Boom.
joe rogan
Oh, my goodness.
mike tyson
So easy.
They didn't even think so hard.
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Boom.
joe rogan
The amount of power they must have in their body must be insane.
To feel what it would feel like to wrestle with a 160 pound chimp, it would feel like they would just snap your arms right off.
mike tyson
You'd be outmatched.
joe rogan
It would be ridiculous.
Just the physical strength that something the size of a human has.
mike tyson
We can't outfight them.
We can't outlive them.
We can't outfuck them.
We can't outdo nothing compared to them.
joe rogan
Imagine those ones they found in the Congo that are six feet tall.
300 plus pounds.
Just solid, jacked, chimps, handsy.
They found one eating a Jaguar, Mike.
They found it eating a dead jaguar.
They don't know if it killed a jaguar or if it just found a jaguar dead and started consuming.
mike tyson
Listen, a jaguar's a match for anything.
joe rogan
It's a big-ass cat.
mike tyson
He's the third biggest cat in the world, but he's a match for anything.
joe rogan
That's a big fucking cat.
mike tyson
He's a match for a gorilla.
joe rogan
Actually, it'd be a leopard.
It's because it's in Africa.
The jaguar's in South America, so it's a leopard.
A leopard is what they found him killing.
They found them eating, rather.
They don't know if the chimp is still a big-ass cat.
mike tyson
These cats are hard to beat with these claws and these teeth.
They're fast as lightning.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't know.
But the locals do have a name for them.
They call them lion killers.
It's a very controversial subject because there's not that many of them.
It's very hard to get where they are to study them.
But they have photos of them.
They have skin tissue.
They have skulls.
They have all these things that indicate there's something different about these chimps.
mike tyson
You know, the lions.
They rip your skin when they rip you.
They go right into your muscles.
They rip you out, man.
It's not easy fighting those big cats.
joe rogan
Our skin is so bullshit compared to theirs.
Even dogs.
If a dog gets bit by another dog, you go and check it, there's no blood.
It didn't even make them bleed.
mike tyson
Listen, the lions, they take chunks out you, man.
They scratch you.
It's crazy.
And they get on their back and they gut you.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
mike tyson
They get you on top of you and they gut you.
joe rogan
We're so soft in comparison.
But a chimp's not.
A big-ass chimp has thick skin like a cat does.
mike tyson
But we have this.
Supposedly we have this.
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Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think it's possible that human beings were, at least, our evolution was pushed along by something else?
Like, if evolution is real, do you think it's possible that something came down here and manipulated it?
mike tyson
Why did everything get smaller?
Why did the animal and the people started getting smaller?
joe rogan
Because we don't have to use our bodies.
mike tyson
No, we used to be giants there with them, because they also have the Cyclops disease.
Can you look that up?
joe rogan
Well, there's occasionally some giants.
mike tyson
No, they have stories of human Cyclops, so they thought it was true.
So they found out there's a Cyclops disease.
joe rogan
Oh, no shit.
mike tyson
In ancient times, there was a Cyclops disease when you're born with one eye.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
mike tyson
That's why I wanted to look it up.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
That's crazy.
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Yeah.
joe rogan
So it was a disease?
So they found a skull or something like that?
mike tyson
Yeah, it was like being...
Deformed.
joe rogan
Just having a physical deformity.
mike tyson
Wow.
joe rogan
But it was a common deformity?
Or enough so that they knew it?
mike tyson
It was just one eye right in the head.
joe rogan
Whoa.
mike tyson
Did you see it in there?
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Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's fucking insane.
jamie vernon
It's called cyclopia.
joe rogan
Wow, I always thought that was a myth.
I never knew that there was an actual disease.
mike tyson
You're talking to me when you're talking about this.
I'm like Alex Jones in ancient times.
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You are, man.
joe rogan
Can you make that a little bit bigger, Jamie?
Right there?
Yeah, cyclopia is derived from the Greek word cyclops, meaning ring-eyed.
It's a rare condition that causes a child to be born with one eye, no nose.
And a proboscis, a nose-like growth above the eye.
mike tyson
Brother, brother, I need the hit.
Listen.
joe rogan
There you go.
mike tyson
I'm telling you, nigga.
joe rogan
However, it isn't that a baby has one eye.
It's a severe malformation of the baby's brain early in the pregnancy.
Oh, wow.
So both of the cyclopia often results in miscarriage or stillbirth.
Survival after birth is mostly a matter of a few hours.
Doctors also call it holoprosanthophyll.
Prosanthophyll.
mike tyson
So say 10,000 years, 100,000 years, maybe they did something where they were able to be accepted into the world.
I don't know.
joe rogan
It says there's no way to prevent it and there's no cure.
Most cases of cyclopia are usually detected early if you receive the proper prenatal care.
So this is talking about humans to this day still get it.
Wow, that's crazy.
mike tyson
What was the guy named that wrote the Trojan War?
What was his name again?
Homer.
Homer made a monster out of the guy.
joe rogan
Maybe there was a few that lived that were big.
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Whoa.
joe rogan
What happened?
They got skulls?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
What do you got there?
jamie vernon
Just skulls.
mike tyson
I saw the skulls too.
I don't know if they're real skulls, but check them out.
joe rogan
The weirdest skulls, Mike.
Are those skulls old?
mike tyson
I don't like that.
joe rogan
Oh, is that real?
jamie vernon
I don't even know what that is.
joe rogan
Let me say that again?
jamie vernon
There's a lot.
joe rogan
Let me say that again?
mike tyson
That's a lot for me, too.
joe rogan
I think that's real, dude.
That's exactly what they were talking about.
A proboscis above the eye.
mike tyson
Man, anything can happen to us.
We don't know who we are.
We could be born like fish.
We could look like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Exactly.
We're just used to this.
Whatever it is to be a person, we're used to it, but it's not normal.
mike tyson
So, listen.
Check this out.
How much does a skeleton weigh?
All of this is in the way.
We're in the way.
joe rogan
I want to say it's about 18 pounds.
mike tyson
Probably a little less.
I go less than that.
joe rogan
Less?
What do you think?
mike tyson
I don't know, 14, 12. 14 pounds?
12 probably.
jamie vernon
That's 15% of total body weight.
joe rogan
Oh.
Always.
jamie vernon
I mean, bone density, right?
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Right.
mike tyson
The skeleton.
jamie vernon
I typed in skeleton.
Skeleton weighs about 12 to 15% of your body weight.
joe rogan
Okay.
mike tyson
That's not what I heard.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard it was a pretty specific number.
mike tyson
Really?
It's nothing that's carrying all this stuff.
joe rogan
We're mostly meat and water.
You know?
jamie vernon
20 pounds?
joe rogan
Oh, so 20 pounds average.
But then if you're a weightlifter, I bet it's probably heavier.
But probably not that much, right?
mike tyson
It's just the fact that 20 pounds is holding all this shit.
joe rogan
I know, it's nuts.
And then all the joints and tendons and ligaments and shit.
How many times have you ever had to have surgery?
mike tyson
I don't know, from like motorcycle accidents.
unidentified
Really?
mike tyson
Nothing from fighting.
joe rogan
Nothing from fighting?
No.
Wow, that's crazy.
mike tyson
Only stitched up in these buttheads or something.
But other than that, nothing.
joe rogan
What did you do in a motorcycle accident?
mike tyson
Oh, bust my lungs, shattered my back, and I still fight.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
That was from a motorcycle crash?
Wow.
mike tyson
Oh, it was fucked up.
It broke my shoulder.
And then I never knew it was broken.
The doctor said, how long was your shoulder broken?
I said, my shoulder's never been broken.
Yes, it is.
It's been broken.
I never knew my shoulder was broken.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
You just let it heal?
mike tyson
Yeah, just let it heal.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
I never knew.
If I knew, I wouldn't have went to the doctor.
joe rogan
Right.
That was one of the craziest post-fight interviews ever, where you were explaining that you broke your back.
mike tyson
What I really meant was that my back was chipping away, that little by little it started chipping away.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Backs are a motherfucker, because as soon as they start going...
mike tyson
You're finished.
And the question is, you can't sit down too much, you gotta be active.
joe rogan
You gotta stay mobile.
mike tyson
Once you keep sitting around the sciatica, if it comes down, I don't care how healthy you are, how much in shape it comes in when you sit too much, you're looking at home watching television.
joe rogan
You ever fuck with yoga?
mike tyson
No, I probably need to.
joe rogan
I just thought of it right now when you said that.
I was like, goddamn, Mike would be great at yoga.
Because you would get obsessed with it.
It's hard to do.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking hard.
mike tyson
My family don't like my obsession habit.
joe rogan
Of course they don't.
But that's how you become a Mike Tyson.
You have to be an obsessed person.
mike tyson
I'll be in the home.
I won't eat for days.
Baby, tell me, baby.
Ramadan is over, okay?
joe rogan
Are you fasting?
mike tyson
Yeah, periodically.
Listen, I can't even believe I did this for it.
joe rogan
Fasting is a weird one.
People get really into it.
They get a couple of days in.
mike tyson
Sometimes because it's a narcotic, a natural narcotic.
joe rogan
Yeah?
mike tyson
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
What does it feel like when you do it?
I've never fasted for more than a day.
mike tyson
Hey, um, sometimes you forget to eat the whole day.
It's just, um, I can't even explain it.
It's euphoric, but you can't even explain it.
You totally forget to eat.
joe rogan
Uh-uh.
mike tyson
At nighttime, you forget to eat.
It's just intense.
It's a really calm intensity.
joe rogan
It's got to be good to give your digestive system a break every now and then.
I mean, it only makes sense that that's a good idea.
mike tyson
People eat too much as it is.
For sure.
We as a race.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
We as a race.
Human beings as a race, we eat too much as it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, we over consume.
mike tyson
And not only do we eat too much, we eat what kills us quicker.
joe rogan
I know.
And it's everywhere.
That's the other thing.
What kills us quicker is all over the place.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike tyson
And in certain countries, only, you know, sell all that fat, all that product, like in sweeten or something.
You gotta eat all this stuff with all this magical motions and food products in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, all the shit that preserves things, all the weird stuff that gives people inflammation.
We got a lot of that in our diets.
mike tyson
Yeah, some of these cultures, they ain't going to feed you all this fat and sugar stuff.
That's not going to do it.
Think about it in the 80s, right?
Everybody in Russia was in shape.
They must have put a national shape there.
Everybody was in shape in the 80s in Russia.
Really?
All those countries, those communist countries, they were all in shape.
They all won gold medals at the Olympics all the time.
They were always in shape.
Always in better condition than Americans.
You saw when they did the statistics on how many overweight Americans they are?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mike tyson
And the guys that don't even look overweight are overweight.
joe rogan
Right.
Because they don't have any muscle.
They're just all fat, even if they're not that big.
You're still obese.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very common.
Because it's the diet.
It's so easy to eat cheeseburgers.
It's so easy to pull into a drive-thru.
It's nothing wrong with doing it every now and then.
mike tyson
No, no.
But we do it constantly.
joe rogan
Constantly.
mike tyson
You know, when I was a little kid, we didn't have enough money to buy stuff.
We had to get free food.
Right.
You know, free lunches.
We weren't like, you know...
We just didn't have any money.
You wouldn't believe America would do that to people.
You have to leave people with no money.
It's no matter what you are, Puerto Rican, black, poor, white, there's no option to live for anything.
You're on your own.
If you make it, you make it.
If you don't, you don't.
This is the only country that's like that, I believe.
joe rogan
What do you think that is?
Do you think it's people not understanding what it's like to be that poor?
mike tyson
No, it's about survival of the fittest.
I know it sounds bad.
It doesn't sound good in this country.
That's what it's all about.
A perfect world.
Without struggle, there's no progress.
They did this study with rats where Utopia, Rat Utopia, where they gave the rats all the food and all the space they want and all the women and sex they want, and they wind up all killing each other.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Yeah, and dying out.
Because once they had everything they wanted, they'd break up in sets.
and groups and they start raping and fighting and killing each other and then they stop breathing and they just all die out.
So without struggle there's no progress.
In a perfect world we're all fucking dead.
joe rogan
That's heavy, because it makes sense.
It makes sense that the rats would need some sort of conflict.
mike tyson
There'd be the rats that are the aggressive ones here, the non-aggressive, and then there's a group of rats.
They're aggressive, but they only consider, they only think about being clean.
They stay clean, and they have aggressive ones too, but cleanliness is what you notice about them.
Then you have the victim mouse over there, then you have the aggressive, violent ones over here.
joe rogan
Wow.
We done a lot of fucked up studies on rats.
Think about it.
mike tyson
We're the rats.
We're the big rats.
The bigger brain, supposedly.
joe rogan
We definitely don't look at all animals the same way, right?
With rats, we feel like we're allowed to do experiments on them.
unidentified
Rats and monkeys.
joe rogan
Like, if we do experiments on puppies, people get real mad.
mike tyson
Monkeys, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, monkeys, too.
They feel like monkeys are almost like you have to do it.
mike tyson
But they look at rats as, ugh, they're disgusting.
They don't look at them like nice, pretty, little white rats.
Look at those rats that's in the gutter.
Because those are the rats they use, the nice little white rats.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, doing experiments on monkeys is hardcore.
mike tyson
The reason they do rats, because rats and roaches, they have the highest survival rate.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mike tyson
That's why we do tests.
We do tests.
joe rogan
Because they're robust.
They're robust mammals.
mike tyson
They're hard to kill.
joe rogan
Real hard to kill.
mike tyson
I'm talking about, from a survival basis, I'm talking about cats and stuff, hunting them, not human beings.
Even us involved, they're very difficult to kill.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that Netflix documentary around rats?
mike tyson
No.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
unidentified
It's crazy.
mike tyson
It's how intelligent they were, huh?
joe rogan
They're so intelligent, they'll send a young rat to check out something to see if it's poison.
They're like, why don't you go check?
And that guy goes over there and eats it, and they watch him, and if he dies, they go, mm-mm.
mike tyson
Listen, roosters do that, too.
joe rogan
Do they really?
mike tyson
If they see a rooster they don't like, they rush him real quick and pluck him, and when he starts bleeding, once you start bleeding, all the other chickens start pucking you.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
And if he's going to fight over a woman, he'll push you outside.
If you see the shadow of a hawk or something, he'll push you outside for the hawk.
These guys are extremely smart.
A rooster.
A fucking rooster.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
They get jealous.
joe rogan
Makes sense, man.
Birds are clever.
They're a lot more clever than we ever thought they were.
Like when they started doing those intelligence tests on crows and ravens, they're like, holy shit!
mike tyson
Listen, how do you get a pigeon to fly from a thousand miles from here to there?
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
And every time you take him, he goes back.
And you hold him there for five years and let him go and he goes back.
joe rogan
How the fuck is that happening?
mike tyson
I don't know.
I fly birds.
I don't know.
joe rogan
When you were flying those birds, did you ever wonder, like, how are they communicating?
How are they figuring it out?
What are they using?
mike tyson
Hey, this is scientific.
A guess.
When birds fly, just like us, it's electric.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
Some kind of electric...
What is it?
Electric...
joe rogan
Electromagnetic.
mike tyson
Some kind of vibe that leads them.
That's how it helps the birds to migrate.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
It's some kind of electricity.
That happens.
I can't really...
I don't even know how to explain it to you.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
I don't know how to explain it either, but I know what you're saying.
I did read about that.
mike tyson
We're all static.
We're electric.
All of us, we have that electric stuff.
That's when we touch each other.
We almost electrocute each other every now and then.
You touch your body.
joe rogan
Yeah, static.
Jamie, pull up how do birds navigate?
Because I think that's what they do.
I think they use the poles, like the magnetic poles.
I think it's all guesswork, though.
They're trying to figure out how they do it.
But the way they do it...
mike tyson
How do you know to be responsible to take a whole petruna bird that's never been south and you're taking them south?
They've never been south before, but we're going south.
How do they know to go south?
joe rogan
And they all stay in line.
mike tyson
If they've all been in this one place breeding, now we gotta go south.
If it was one place hanging out, now we gotta go south and breed.
joe rogan
That's a whole different kind of animal.
Something that flies.
You know how wild that must be?
To just all that bullshit going on the ground.
You don't have to fuck with that.
You just get up in the sky.
mike tyson
But listen.
Listen.
You still gotta come down and eat like everybody else.
You still gotta come off the throne and eat.
joe rogan
You definitely do.
But what a wild way to live.
You know, swooping down on shit.
mike tyson
Well, you gotta worry about shit swooping down on you, too.
joe rogan
True.
Researchers have discovered a small spot on the beak of pigeons and some of the birds that contains magnetite.
Magnetite is a magnetized rock which may act as a tiny GPS unit for the homing pigeon by giving it information about its position relative to Earth's poles.
Holy fuck.
Researchers have also found some specialized cells in birds' eyes that may help them see magnetic fields.
Wow!
It is thought that birds can use both the beak magnetite and the eye sensors to travel long distances over areas that do not have many landmarks, such as the ocean.
That's incredible.
In humans, deposits of magnetite have been found in bones in our noses.
Do you think we use Earth's magnetic field to know which way we are headed?
Wow, I wonder...
mike tyson
Even humans.
joe rogan
Maybe that's something like the appendix that we grew out of.
mike tyson
I don't know.
You know, some people just...
Just walk.
As kids, some people just walk.
They walk for miles or something.
Just walk.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe they have a better sense.
Maybe it's something that, like, atrophies without use.
mike tyson
You know, find out how far a bear can smell.
Oh, my God.
Say a polar bear.
How far can a polar bear smell?
joe rogan
Oh, polar bears.
Their noses are, like, nine times stronger than a bloodhound.
It's something insane.
mike tyson
They can smell a period for so many...
joe rogan
Oh, I can only imagine.
mike tyson
A period of another bear?
unidentified
Yeah.
mike tyson
They can smell it.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Polar bear can smell seals and other animals up to nine kilometers, 5.6 miles away.
They can even smell the breathing holes seals create in the ice from almost one kilometer.
So although polar bear hunting ranges Can span several hundred miles.
Their sharp olfactory sense helps keep them fed.
So they smell for miles and miles and they know which way to go.
So if a polar bear has a period or if any animal's wounded or bleeding, 20 miles.
mike tyson
I know, there was something like that.
It was even more than that.
joe rogan
They can smell a seal on ice 20 miles away.
That is fucking crazy.
Hold on, put that up again.
That is so crazy.
Sniff out a seal's den that has been covered in snow and even find a seal's air hole in ice up to one mile away.
Wow.
Well, they have to have that.
Can you imagine that thing smelling a tiger fart?
mike tyson
It could smell for miles away.
joe rogan
Miles away!
Someone explained to me the way a dog smells.
They were talking about skunk.
A skunk, it only takes a few parts per million and you can smell a skunk.
That's a weird smell.
When a skunk gets killed by a car in your neighborhood, everybody smells it for a mile away.
That's the only smell that we know that's like that.
That's like an organic smell.
And he was saying, now imagine that plus times 10 for everything.
Like everything.
He said a dog, like a bloodhound, can smell not just your cheeseburger, they can smell the ketchup, they can smell the pickles, they can smell the cheese, they smell the buns.
mike tyson
A bear is nothing but the dog of the fucking jungle.
Yeah, exactly.
A bear is in the dog family.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the short-faced bear?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You ever see that thing?
mike tyson
It looked like a dog.
joe rogan
It's a giant bear that lived, again, during the Ice Age.
And they think it might have even prevented people from crossing over that land bridge between Asia and North America.
They think it might have inhabited...
Look at the size of that.
Look at the size of that fucking thing.
That's a short-faced bear.
They think it might have inhabited that area in between the two continents.
And they were so predatory that it would have prevented travel.
Like, look how big that is.
mike tyson
Yeah, well, you could tell he couldn't live long because he had to run it down.
Because everything else would be too small for him.
He had to be able to run his prey down.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at the way he's built.
I mean, that's not built like a bear like we think of.
That short-faced bear, the way the length of the limbs, it looks like something that could run fast.
That's what's terrifying.
mike tyson
He's gonna do good in the prairie, but he's not gonna do good coming down the hills and going up mountains.
joe rogan
I don't know what he's going to do good at, but he's going to do good at eating people, I'll tell you that.
mike tyson
That's why he didn't survive.
That's why he didn't survive.
He was too big.
joe rogan
Probably, right?
mike tyson
You could see him.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably.
They probably hunted him to extinction.
I mean, if you found out that something like that was out there killing everybody.
mike tyson
No, you find that you can stay warm from his coat.
I eat his meat.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
mike tyson
They were eating bears, too, back then.
I know.
joe rogan
Oh, they eat them now.
mike tyson
Yeah, bears are edible.
joe rogan
That's a big risk back then.
You know, when all you have is, like, spears and...
What are those things called where they have, like, a spear...
an atlatl, right?
Is that what it's called?
mike tyson
Well, listen, they killed woolly mammoths.
joe rogan
They're bigger than...
mike tyson
Yeah.
They were vicious than bears.
Listen, we're the top apex predator.
Nobody could reach our level.
Nobody is as vicious as we are.
I'm more rational in thinking.
joe rogan
Definitely not today.
Today we're running the food chain.
There's no question.
And that's one of the weird things about human conflict, right?
You're talking about we always have to have some kind of conflict.
Like we were talking about the RAC study.
That exists with us too, right?
mike tyson
You have to have conflict.
There's no doubt about it.
If you don't have nobody to fight, you find somebody to fight.
You make somebody to fight.
joe rogan
Right.
You gotta either make your own conflict, or you choose to do something, or cause conflict.
mike tyson
Yes.
It's human nature.
joe rogan
It is, right?
mike tyson
Even from nice people.
It's just human nature.
It's just who you are.
It's just what you are.
You're not good or bad.
You just are.
joe rogan
You know when you see that, Mike?
You see when nice people get real aggressive about certain issues that they care about.
You see they get, whether it's like a woman's right to choose, abortion rights.
They're real aggressive.
Like nice people can say real, mean, horrible things if it's about that subject.
mike tyson
Yeah, if you talk about...
You know, I don't even want to say my daughter's a part of the unit.
The young ladies that want to become men.
I'm a big supporter.
I have a daughter that's in that, I don't know, what do you call it?
Community.
It's a community.
And I love how I respect her, so I respect the community.
You know, that's pretty much I know.
She's a part of the community, and she's very aggressive, like you were saying.
I had a young man named Lil Bootsy, a young rapper.
You have to know, he has to curse a lot in his music and stuff, and he said something negative about Dwyane Wade's son.
I believe he has a gay son or something, and he said something disrespectful about him.
And my daughter came to my...
She lives in New York, She came from New York to Los Angeles because she knew I was interviewing this guy.
Came in the room and sat down and said, what do you think?
Who do you think you are to talk about people like that that don't even talk about you?
CNN said nothing about you.
Why did you have to talk?
And I'm like, whoa.
I said, where did this come from?
I didn't know she was coming here.
I said, what is she doing here?
Why is she disrespecting my space?
It comes in my...
They come in here right now, your sister, your daughter come in here right now and looks at this guy and says, hey, who do you think you are?
Talking to Dwyane Wade's son.
And I'm like, hey, how do I handle this?
This guy's going to...
Say something stupid and then I'm going to lose my job because I have to defend my daughter.
Even if she's wrong, I have to defend if this guy is disrespectful.
And I'm glad this guy was respectful enough and he was a dignified guy and had more respect than people thought he did.
And he listened out.
It was just interesting to see somebody I brought in this world handle an issue.
Do you understand that?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do.
mike tyson
Somebody that I love is willing to die for some issue.
I don't really...
I don't know.
I'm not against them.
But now I'm with these people without even wanting to be involved with this in a way.
Do you understand what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do know what you mean.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a...
You know, when your child asserts themselves in a way that's very powerful to them, like means a lot to them, it changes your thoughts of whatever that thing are.
mike tyson
My thoughts is that right or wrong, I'm just there to fight.
I don't care if they're right or wrong, I'm just there.
Of course, you're the father.
joe rogan
That's the strongest bond in the world.
That would be the most terrifying situation ever.
The most terrifying situation ever.
We get in an argument with your daughter.
Well, you're right there.
mike tyson
She's meaner than I was.
You don't want to get involved with her.
This is not funny at all.
You don't want to get angry.
unidentified
I believe you.
mike tyson
I don't use the word bitch and stuff and like chick and broad and stuff if I'm around her.
joe rogan
I get it.
mike tyson
Whoa.
joe rogan
Not worth it.
mike tyson
No.
No.
Lady, I gotta say, him or her, it, whatever she tells me to say, this is what I say.
Yeah.
She's mean.
She's mean.
All the women on the price side of my family, who's my mother, they don't take no crap.
They don't take no crap.
joe rogan
There's a lot of women fighters now.
That's an interesting turn of events over the last few decades.
A lot of women are UFC fighters.
mike tyson
I said one day I had Gabe Rose.
Remember Rose?
joe rogan
Rose number, yeah.
mike tyson
I said, Rose is hot.
And the Chinese girl that was fighting said, Mike doesn't know nothing about boxing.
He's an idiot.
And she wanted to fight me.
I'm so happy Rose knocked her out.
I thought she was going to kill Rose.
Because I said, well, Rose is hot.
It's obvious that Mike Tyson doesn't know nothing about the fight game and this and that.
joe rogan
I wonder if she really said that, though, because someone had to translate that from Chinese.
mike tyson
No, listen, I'm sure she said that.
I'm sure she said that.
joe rogan
I'm trying to let her off the hook.
mike tyson
I'm sure she said it.
She didn't fool her.
And I'm thinking she's going to kill Rose.
Rose clocked her.
Oh, God, thank God.
joe rogan
Rose caught her with a high kick.
mike tyson
Beautiful kick.
joe rogan
Beautiful kick.
And the second fight was really good, too.
mike tyson
She fought her twice?
joe rogan
Yeah, they fought a second time.
mike tyson
What happened there?
joe rogan
Rose won a decision.
And it was a really good fight.
Really good fight.
mike tyson
See, Rose surprised her.
She thought she was going to come kick Rose's pretty ass.
joe rogan
Rose is no joke, man.
mike tyson
Well, no, not at all.
joe rogan
She's so serious.
And when she was, before that fight, this was, I talked to her about it in the post-fight interview.
She was standing there while they're, like, introducing the fighters.
She's sitting there going, I'm the best!
I'm the best!
I'm the best!
She just kept saying that.
mike tyson
That's what I say in that fight.
joe rogan
She just kept saying it.
mike tyson
The best in the world.
The best if nobody could match me.
I'm the best ever.
I'm the sick kid, right?
joe rogan
But you were right.
At the time, you were right.
When she's saying it, she was right, too.
She was right.
She channeled it.
Look at her right here.
mike tyson
She's ready.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's just going, I'm the best.
I'm the best.
And then when I interviewed her afterwards, she goes, yeah, I am the best.
And we were laughing.
It was really funny.
I asked her about it.
mike tyson
Look at her crying.
joe rogan
Buffer was saying your name.
You were saying to yourself, I'm the best.
I'm the best.
unidentified
I am the best.
joe rogan
I mean, come on.
How do you not love her?
unidentified
You sure we are.
joe rogan
There's no doubt about that now.
mike tyson
Shit.
joe rogan
I mean, look at her crying like that.
mike tyson
Shit, nigga.
I got my eyes wet.
joe rogan
It's a crazy thing, man.
It's a crazy thing to see.
mike tyson
Fighting's so emotional.
joe rogan
Yes.
mike tyson
People don't understand fighting is so spiritual.
joe rogan
There's a lot to that.
When you're expressing yourself in a fight, when you watch a perfect performance, the excited energy that spreads from people watching that all over the world.
If somebody watched one of your great knockouts, if you were watching it live, all these people watching together, this excited burst of energy goes through the whole world.
unidentified
I always wish I could be...
mike tyson
In the stands watching me fight.
joe rogan
Did anybody do that that way for you?
Was there one guy who you used to like to watch fight live?
mike tyson
Shit, Duran.
joe rogan
Duran.
mike tyson
I wasn't around in the 70s, but like in 79, 80, 81, 82. Shit.
His whole career in the 80s.
What a monster.
joe rogan
Most people don't even know the Duran pre-welterweight.
They think of Duran as being welterweight, but the Ken Buchanan days.
mike tyson
Seven years undefeated champion.
joe rogan
He was a vicious motherfucker at lightweight.
My God, he was good.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
That was probably his best division, right?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was just an intelligent savage.
mike tyson
Exactly.
When he went up in weight, he was out boxing these smack monsters like Hagler and these guys.
They thought Hagler was gonna kill him.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Hagler was Hagler back then.
mike tyson
Yeah, the whole 12 or 15 rounds was Crazy.
joe rogan
Close decision, too.
It was a close fight.
Well, even when he fought Davey Moore, people thought he was Davey.
mike tyson
Oh, I was at that fight.
unidentified
Were you really?
mike tyson
I was 18, I was at that fight.
When was I 18, I was 18 to 17, I was at that fight.
joe rogan
I'll never forget.
It was 82, 83. I didn't watch that fight live, because I was sad, because it was like post-Nomas.
mike tyson
Yo!
joe rogan
Duran went through a period of darkness, right?
mike tyson
But I saw like...
Davey Moore at the time had like 9 fights, 10 fights.
The man had, what, 80 fights?
The man had a lot of fights.
He had over 100 fights in his career.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had a lot of fights.
And when he dropped Davey Moore...
mike tyson
Oh, I was right.
The crowd wouldn't quit.
I couldn't believe it.
Listen, it was nothing but 19,850 Latinos, okay?
That was 20,000, man.
Wow.
Only 500 people, probably 200 people weren't Latino, okay?
19,000 people, 800, that was all Latino.
joe rogan
Did you see, is it called The Four Kings?
What is that documentary?
mike tyson
Yeah, Hagler, Leonard, Tommy Hearns, and Duran.
joe rogan
And they followed their career, they followed their ascension.
mike tyson
They weren't afraid to fight each other.
joe rogan
Oh man, they fought each other in wars, man.
mike tyson
Crazy, they would never do that now.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, maybe if you stirred the right amount of money around...
mike tyson
But listen, Duran and Hearns, they made more money than the welterweights do now.
joe rogan
Probably, right?
mike tyson
No, they did.
They had $7,000, $20 million fights.
These welterweights, nobody in this welterweight gets $20 million fights.
Probably Pacquiao, but nobody in here gets that kind of money like Lyndon and Duran got.
joe rogan
They kind of have to all fight it out, right?
mike tyson
Yeah, the best fought the best.
That's why they got the most money.
joe rogan
Do you think that's possible today?
Like, if that would be possible, if you had a tournament that would get together like Terrence Crawford, Errol Spence, all these guys, I mean Pacquiao's kind of, I think he's retired.
mike tyson
He can still fight and still beat some of these guys.
joe rogan
He still can, yes.
mike tyson
He just beat Thurman.
Thurman's no bum at no measure at all.
joe rogan
No, not at all.
And he dropped him with a right hand, a sneaky right hand.
mike tyson
The guy that he fought, that guy was just awkward, long arms and stuff.
He should've fought somebody else.
joe rogan
Well, it was a big change in opponent, right?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who was he supposed to fight?
mike tyson
He was supposed to fight a big-name guy.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
But this guy's just one of those Cuban fighters.
He's awkward.
He's hard to fight.
He's going to be tough for Spence.
Spence, too.
This guy's going to give Spence some problems, too, I think.
I might be wrong.
Spence might hit him on the chin and he's knocking cold.
joe rogan
Spence has serious power.
It's good to see.
mike tyson
He needs to be more active.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Consistency.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, he did go through that crazy car accident.
Remember he flipped his Ferrari?
mike tyson
Listen, we forget that, don't we?
This guy should be insane.
joe rogan
He should be dead.
mike tyson
Yeah.
He should be dead.
joe rogan
I mean, he's so fortunate that he's alive.
mike tyson
That's what I mean.
He should be one of these insane to him.
His brain should be rattled up.
Dude, he's so lucky.
You saw him fly out the car?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's so lucky he's alive.
So lucky he's alive.
mike tyson
Holy moly.
joe rogan
So lucky he's alive.
mike tyson
That's just like...
joe rogan
I think all he did was chip a tooth.
mike tyson
You saw him fly out the car though?
joe rogan
Fly out of the fucking car.
mike tyson
I've been dead.
What happened to me?
He broke his pinky or something?
joe rogan
I don't think it was that bad.
Whatever it was, it was not that bad.
I mean, I was watching him hit myths.
mike tyson
Was he drunk and stuff when that happened?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
I just know he lost control.
I mean, he was a Ferrari.
You know, a car like that is so fucking fast.
The average person who doesn't know how to drive that good can get themselves in trouble real quick with one of those.
mike tyson
I've gotten so many speeding tickets in my life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
It's racing other people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
You see them with their Porsche and my Ferrari.
Let's go!
joe rogan
That's so dangerous.
Yeah.
You can get cars today that are just so fucking fast.
Just a regular car.
The power keeps going up and up and up.
mike tyson
Say I want a really nice car, a really nice sports car.
Say I want a...
Give myself a surprise.
Be nice to myself.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Give yourself a treat.
mike tyson
So I buy one of these super Aston Martin cars that they don't have to spec for in the United States.
So I get this dealer place so I could drive this car that's illegal in the States, but if I put dealer place on it, I can drive it.
Isn't that incredible?
joe rogan
That is incredible.
mike tyson
If I got dealer plates, I could take this car that has no specs and drive it in this country, that's illegal just because I have the plates.
joe rogan
You know what's another crazy thing you can do?
mike tyson
I can't own the car to drive it in the country.
joe rogan
You could have diplomatic plates.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you could be from another country and have other countries' plates and drive around cars in America.
So guys come from Saudi Arabia.
They're ballers.
They got all this crazy money.
They buy Lamborghinis and they have all these diplomat plates on them.
They ride around Beverly Hills.
mike tyson
I used to have the Lamborghini Jeep.
I saw it in Saudi Arabia.
I used to race them.
The LM2. The original Lamborghini Jeep.
I saw them in Saudi Arabia and I saw the race.
I got involved with the race.
And so I said when I come home and buy one of these.
joe rogan
That was before people were buying SUVs.
There wasn't a lot of people buying SUVs.
mike tyson
Oh, but that was a monster.
That car was a monster.
You couldn't afford the monster.
I had the white one and I had the black one.
joe rogan
It's so cool looking.
Oh my God, look at that.
A Lamborghini truck.
mike tyson
That's the one I have right there.
Wow.
joe rogan
And what year is this?
mike tyson
That's 87, something like that.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
What year does it say here?
joe rogan
It was 86. It's 88 right there.
mike tyson
The 80s is 87. Wow.
That's 82 old.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
That's crazy.
82. You made them as early as 82?
That was a prototype?
mike tyson
This is what happened.
I moved to Burnoutsville, New Jersey, and the first guess I get is Malcolm Forbes.
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
He's my first, you know, he welcomes me to the neighborhood.
He comes up, and he comes up with this truck, and I say, what is that?
Can you please tell me what that is?
He says, it's nothing.
It only costs money, and you have a lot of that.
That's hilarious.
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I saw Jamie Foxx drives one of those crazy trucks.
You know those things?
What are those new ones that everybody's driving around that look like spaceships?
mike tyson
What's that?
joe rogan
I'm trying to remember the name of the truck.
What is it called?
mike tyson
Wow!
joe rogan
Resvani.
mike tyson
That is really nice.
joe rogan
I pulled into a gas station and I'm filling my car and this thing pulls in and Jamie Foxx gets out of it.
I go, what is that?
mike tyson
That is something to be jealous of.
joe rogan
It's wild looking.
It's got like the innards.
I think some of it is from Jeep and then they redid the whole thing and they sell them.
They're bulletproof sometimes.
They sell them, they do all kinds of wacky shit, like they spray smoke out of the back of them.
mike tyson
Hey, listen, listen, I was the first guy that had a car, boom, I pressed a button, got tax come out, big tax, give you flats and shit.
I pressed a button, I got a smoke screen come out.
joe rogan
You had that?
mike tyson
Yeah, I had that before.
Anybody, I had the iron tax come out to get the cops slapped the tires and everything.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
mike tyson
And big nails.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
Wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
They were doing that back then.
mike tyson
And then I could know what else.
I could put oil on the floor to make the car slip.
joe rogan
Look at this shit.
Electromagnetic pulse protection.
Wow.
Radiated from a nuclear explosion and rendered electronic devices inoperable.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
They're talking about surviving a nuclear explosion in your Jeep?
jamie vernon
And it has thermal night vision system.
joe rogan
Oh, a night vision system!
That's crazy!
mike tyson
You know about the, um, you know deer, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
They're the only one that can see that the bear is not white.
You see his white coat, it's not, it's ever-vescent.
I forgot what the word, ever-vescent, and the deer can see it.
That's why when they cover the nose, he covers his nose only for the seals and stuff, but the deer can see his fur.
It's not white.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
I think it's transparent.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's what it is.
I think it's like a clear.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just looks like it's white.
mike tyson
The reindeer can see it.
And that's all these spots and he can see it.
Because the polar bear is really black, you know, right?
joe rogan
The body is, yeah.
mike tyson
And then it's covered by the skin.
The skin is black and the fur is ever-vescent.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever it is.
mike tyson
But how does that work?
He's black, but the How did that fur come out?
joe rogan
There's so much fur.
mike tyson
But it's not white.
joe rogan
It's not white.
Because it's clear.
It's clear.
And there's so much of it that's stacked on top, it looks white.
And then it covers all of the body because it's amazing insulation.
Apparently the hairs on a polar bear are very different.
They're like a tube.
mike tyson
And they float.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Yeah, he floats.
He can't sink.
He's a float.
He just sits out there and floats.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
They're like little tubes.
mike tyson
Yeah, he just floats.
joe rogan
And he can also swim.
I mean, they dive underwater and get seals and shit and come out with them.
mike tyson
Yeah, but they can't sink.
I forgot what they call it, but they buoyancy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a scary-ass animal because polar bears are one animal where they see you, they're coming to kill you.
Nothing's scary.
mike tyson
But bears are too grizzly bears.
As soon as they see you, they attack you.
joe rogan
Some grizzly bears will, but some of them will avoid you.
But grizzly bears eat.
They eat grass, and they eat berries, and they eat fruit, and they eat dead animals, and then they eat animals that they catch.
But polar bears only eat meat.
That's the difference.
They don't eat any berries.
There's no fucking berries up there.
mike tyson
The reason why is because of the cold.
There's no berries grow in the cold.
joe rogan
No berries grow in the cold.
This friend of mine is very smart and he you know he talks about every he goes everybody's worried about global warming he goes it's definitely something you should be concerned about he goes but you know what you should really be concerned about global cooling he goes because if the world gets too warm he goes we can survive if the world gets too cold we're fucked we can't grow any food but eventually you will maybe it has I believe so it has I believe so This whole fucking country was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice.
It's like half of the country, half of North America 12,000-plus years ago was covered in ice.
mike tyson
They were talking about study under ice poles.
They showed there was a...
A community, so to speak, was under the ice in the South Pole.
joe rogan
Oh, like an old city that they discovered?
mike tyson
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
I think any time you got like a community that lives by the ocean, that ocean moves, man.
I mean, especially over history, thousands of years of people being alive, that fucking thing moves.
mike tyson
Yeah, because France, like we were saying before, like 40,000 years was attached to Africa.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
I didn't know that.
mike tyson
40,000 years ago, it was attached.
Something must have happened.
The ocean must have flooded or something, but it used to be connected.
joe rogan
There's places in Montana where you can find seashells.
In Montana.
And there was apparently a great inland sea all throughout Montana.
mike tyson
In Montana, don't you find all those prehistoric animals there?
joe rogan
A lot of dinosaurs.
Yeah, they find dinosaurs there.
mike tyson
Tennessee, Montana, Utah.
joe rogan
Montana's a big one.
I think Utah too, yeah.
Yeah, they find all kinds of wild old shit up there.
That's the wildest thing.
When they find something, you realize, oh, this is an animal that lived 25 million years ago.
Like, what the fuck is this?
mike tyson
And sometimes you see the ancestors of it that's living now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Giant sloths and stuff like that.
Or when they go way back and they find actual dinosaurs, you find things that are 150, 250 million years old.
Like, what?
This is a 250-million-year-old skeleton?
What the fuck?
mike tyson
Hey, listen.
How do we tell time?
How do we tell that it's 250 years old?
Forget the bones and the trees.
joe rogan
Good question.
mike tyson
How do we tell somebody that knows something we don't know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
The people that don't know is only at the mercy to the people that know, right?
So who are we at mercy to?
The fucking scientists that tell the shit.
And then I go to this guy and I say, hey, look it up on YouTube.
unidentified
Yeah.
mike tyson
YouTube never lies.
Look it up at YouTube.
joe rogan
I think the way they do it, I think it's called, it's carbon, carbon testing.
mike tyson
Yeah, but you look at the trees, you see the rings.
joe rogan
No, they do.
I think they take a piece of it and then they measure the amount of carbon.
mike tyson
No, they don't know.
They do that because they don't know and they tell you this is how we tell.
joe rogan
I think they can only tell within a large, it's not like they can tell the week that this thing was put in the ground.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
They can tell you within X amount of years, and they just guess based on how much carbon is still in the object.
Things have a base level of carbon, apparently.
Somebody can explain it to me.
mike tyson
I don't believe them.
I have the right not to believe them.
joe rogan
Yeah, they might be wrong.
mike tyson
They're telling me because I'm at the mercy of them so they're gonna tell me something and I'm gonna say yeah it's true because I'm at that mercy.
I don't have to believe it because I'm not astute to it.
I don't have to believe it.
I could be an idiot but it could still be wrong.
It doesn't sound good to me.
joe rogan
What I'm willing to listen to is the process in which they figured out how to measure how much carbon is in a thing, and then how they figured out that if you applied that, the things that you knew were a certain amount of age old, you could get sort of a formula to calculate how old things are.
mike tyson
I want to know this.
I want to know who was the first me.
Who was the first dick to come in my family that led up to me?
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
Who was that?
joe rogan
How'd that happen?
mike tyson
Since the beginning of time, the first person, who was that?
joe rogan
Right.
We used to be lower hominids, right?
And then we evolved into being human beings.
When did we officially become human beings?
mike tyson
Oh, that's recently.
A couple of hundred years.
I don't think a couple of hundred thousand a year.
I'm talking about when it was on the book, we were human.
When did that happen?
joe rogan
I think Homo sapiens, I think you're looking at like a half a million years.
mike tyson
Really?
joe rogan
I think that's supposedly what we are.
We're a half a million years old.
mike tyson
But then we had to go to the mungular time, munguloids.
joe rogan
Yeah, well there's also, that's coexisting with Neanderthals, coexisting with those hobbit people on the island of Flores.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
You've seen that?
That's wild, man.
mike tyson
Did you ever see that island outside of India?
joe rogan
North Sentinel Island.
mike tyson
Yeah, Sentinel.
joe rogan
Yes, yeah.
That's where the missionary went to the Bible.
mike tyson
Jesus loves you!
joe rogan
Whap!
Build him up, man.
Hard.
I do a bit about it, unfortunately.
mike tyson
They put a rope around his neck and drug him into the darkness.
joe rogan
They killed him.
mike tyson
They probably ate him and fucked him and did all kinds of shit.
Listen, did you see...
What's my man named Jackass?
Come on, my man.
joe rogan
Johnny Knoxville?
mike tyson
No.
Steve-O? Steve-O. You ever see Steve-O... Steve-O's with some indigenous people and they're trying to eat him.
Put that on.
joe rogan
You see that?
mike tyson
Steve-O with some indigenous nigga.
They're eating him, trying to hump his ass.
Oh, you gotta see this stuff, man.
unidentified
Steve-O's crazy.
mike tyson
On an island with indigenous people.
joe rogan
Steve-O's so crazy.
But yeah, that North Sentinel Island, that's a crazy story.
mike tyson
I wonder what's in that, you know, in the corridor, what they have there, who they're eating, what they're doing, how they function.
joe rogan
There's not enough of them.
mike tyson
I know, but they know to fucking shoot you with a bow and arrow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know to shoot you with a bow and arrow, but I think they're worried about, I think they've been fucked with historically.
mike tyson
We go there, we get them sick.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
mike tyson
They get sick, they're not inoculated.
As soon as we go there, we look at them.
We get too close, they get sick and die.
That's why they kill us, because they say, all of a sudden, we get next to these guys, we die!
joe rogan
Well, they probably have stories about people who visited and got people sick.
mike tyson
Oh, yeah.
Listen, they went there one time and they took a couple of them, kidnapped, and they started dying, and so they sent them back.
But, yeah, we killed them.
We're disgusting.
We have diseases and stuff.
You know, we get inoculated.
We could still kill these guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were just talking about this, that 90% of the people in North America were dead because of viruses.
90% of them.
When the Europeans showed up, it killed everybody.
mike tyson
Syphilis wiped them out.
joe rogan
Everybody.
mike tyson
And syphilis comes from skin disease, from not being...
joe rogan
Hygiene?
mike tyson
Hygiene.
unidentified
Really?
mike tyson
And then we started becoming more hygienic and started getting clean and it started dying.
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
And so it went inside of us.
It went into our vaginal system to survive.
And that's how we got the syphilis.
It was only a skin disease at first.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
mike tyson
And then it wanted to survive because people started living cleanly.
And it wanted to survive so it went into a vaginal.
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
Whoa.
You should look at the history of venereal diseases.
I always look at the history of stuff and it blows my mind.
joe rogan
I've always wondered, because it's a crazy thing to have diseases that specifically come through sex.
It's kind of crazy, and it's how many of them kill people.
mike tyson
It's a way by checking our animalistic tendencies.
joe rogan
Checking our drive.
Give us a disease that makes fucking dangerous.
mike tyson
Makes us conscious.
It's on you now.
It's on you, but we're conscious of it now.
joe rogan
Do you know about the whole powdered wig thing?
mike tyson
Tell me about the powdered wig.
joe rogan
You know those old dudes in ancient times where they wore that because of syphilis?
mike tyson
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
This guy was a French...
mike tyson
I thought rats and stuff got in those guys' heads.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure they probably did.
But the guy who started it off, it's attributed to these two French...
They were cousins, right?
Weren't they cousins?
I think they were cousins.
But they were royalty, big time, big people.
And when they started getting syphilis, their hair was falling out.
So they got wigs.
And so this is what would happen to these people's heads.
mike tyson
It impacts your brain.
joe rogan
It impacts everything.
They get holes in their faces.
So the more money you had, the bigger the wig was.
So that's why the term big wig, that's where it came from.
The term big wig goes back to when these European men were all getting syphilis.
Their fucking hair was falling out.
It's wild!
mike tyson
Listen, Sicilis is nothing now, but before it was a dead man's disease.
Once you got there, you went crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it dragged holes through people.
Isn't that what killed Al Pacino?
Or Al Capone, rather?
mike tyson
Al Capone, yeah.
joe rogan
Al Capone?
Yeah.
mike tyson
Bo Bremel.
joe rogan
Oh, it makes your fucking face rot off, too.
mike tyson
It attacks your brain.
joe rogan
What a terrible way to go.
But it's just crazy that there's so many diseases like that that just come from fucking.
It's wild.
mike tyson
I don't know.
I think it's just a natural form of trying to check us.
Is humanity checking us?
joe rogan
I think you're dead right.
I think that's exactly what it is.
It just may make sense that something like that would eat.
Otherwise, we would just fuck up a storm.
As much food as we had.
mike tyson
Listen, have you ever listened to how life was and sex was at Roman time?
Yes.
You're fighting the streets.
joe rogan
Yep.
mike tyson
Slaves are getting pumped in the streets.
You're fighting the streets.
Right in the middle of the street.
It's everything.
And then I guess they thought, who was it?
Which one was it?
The Roman emperors?
Augustus.
I think he started having a moral check on people.
Started giving people more.
He was a philosopher warrior after he won all the wars and killed everybody.
He became a peaceful philosopher.
joe rogan
Marcus Aurelius.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's who it is.
joe rogan
Marcus Aurelius.
Yeah, Marcus Aurelius is Meditations.
I'm in the middle of that right now.
mike tyson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Listen.
This is beautiful.
It's amazing.
But this is a bloodthirsty monarch that's telling us this.
joe rogan
True.
mike tyson
That's true.
He's seen the light, but this guy didn't.
Oh, he wrecked some.
Ooh.
He did some.
He dominated countries.
Yeah.
Decimated them.
joe rogan
They all did.
You know, the wild thing about Rome, particularly like the Roman emperors and the Roman Colosseum, is you could still go there today and stand on the very ground where the Colosseum was.
I went for a tour in the Colosseum.
mike tyson
Did you go underground with the animals and the warriors?
joe rogan
Yeah, where they used to have animals.
The animals would come up on, like elevators, would rise up, they'd pull them on pulleys, they'd pull up to the top, and there would be a warrior waiting with a shield and a sword to fight off a tiger.
mike tyson
Do you know...
The Gladiates back there was the equivalent of MMA fighters and fighters now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
They were superstars.
They weren't just slaves.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
They won their freedom three or four times.
They wouldn't give up.
They still wanted to fight until they died in the arena because they loved the attention they got.
joe rogan
Totally makes sense.
mike tyson
Listen, they showed ancient times in Rome.
I don't know if they showed the ancient times how people lived.
They had a couch, had a little table, and they had a picture of a warrior up there.
It's like we might have a fighter or something.
They had a warrior take the, you know, chisels in the wall.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
mike tyson
It was just like modern times.
They had their hats, too.
They had their hats to get high on the table and stuff.
joe rogan
It was just more ruthless than today because life was more ruthless.
mike tyson
Life was nothing back then.
Life was slaves and so everybody owned everybody.
joe rogan
You know what someone said to me too about the Spartans?
He was saying if you were a Spartan and you were a 30 year old man people were suspicious of you.
Like how did you make it this far?
Like are you a coward?
Did you turn on people?
Like how did you survive to be 30?
Like they would be nervous of you.
mike tyson
The best ones, the ones that won their freedom and just kept fighting, they were all vegans and vegetarians.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
They checked the marrow of their bones.
The amount of meat they had almost doesn't exist.
joe rogan
Oh, that's because they were feeding all the gladiators, they were feeding them like a gruel.
It was like an oatmeal.
mike tyson
Very small meat.
The meat didn't even matter.
joe rogan
But that wasn't for performance.
mike tyson
I don't know what, but those were the best.
Not all of them won their freedom, but the best ones had no meat.
joe rogan
Interesting.
I wonder what a normal person ate back then.
They were gluttons.
But I wonder how much they got of meat, how much they ate if they filled their bellies with grain and bread.
mike tyson
Only the rich ate with meat and stuff.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Very rarely the slaves ate with me, unless your master loved you, treated you special, you were the sellout or something, you know how that stuff is.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Yeah, I would imagine that's why people were so small back then too, right?
mike tyson
Yeah, but there were a lot of disease infested back then.
They were really sick back then.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, there was no medicine.
So diseases must have just ran rampant through people.
You know, I talked to this guy, Dr. Peter Hotez.
He's an infectious disease expert.
And he told me that in jungle climates, like in the Amazon and places like anywhere you got a jungle climate, he goes, almost everybody has parasites.
Almost everybody.
mike tyson
Almost anything could kill you there, also.
Anything could kill you.
A little bug like this can kill you in Amazon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But he's basically saying that it's almost unavoidable to get parasitic infections when you're in these tropical climates.
It's just a normal thing.
mike tyson
And you're dealing with a situation, like we talk about the cynical people, and what, 40,000 years, something like that, no one ever had a pap smear?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
mike tyson
Just think about it.
They've been there for 40,000 years, and no one got a pap smear.
And 40,000 years are also...
Just a specimen of your urine or something.
Never been there for 40 years.
40,000 years.
joe rogan
Just living.
mike tyson
40,000 years and never had a pap smear.
That's so long they've been there, they said.
Maybe 40,000 years?
How long have the Senegals been there?
joe rogan
Isn't it nice having a Jamie around?
mike tyson
Jamie is off the hook.
joe rogan
He's the best.
mike tyson
Listen, this is what it is.
It's a form of slavery, this stuff.
Hey, Jamie, go do that.
That?
Yeah, it's a form of not being in control.
You don't have to think, Jamie, do that.
joe rogan
He plays a very valid role.
mike tyson
It's important.
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
I can't be thinking.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And he can do it with one hand.
That's the crazy thing about Jamie.
You don't realize he's Googling this shit with one hand.
mike tyson
But, you know, in slavery times, people have slaves to think for them.
People have slaves.
Some emperors...
They had slaves to remind them that they're human.
Remind me that I'm human, okay?
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
You know, because sometimes people tell them they're gods and they're starting to believe in their slave job is to remind them that they're human.
joe rogan
Yeah, could you imagine being a king back then?
mike tyson
Being Alexander the Great.
Imagine being that.
Osiris the Great.
One of those guys.
Hannibal.
King of Kong.
Children of the Hun.
Those guys.
People would die for you.
joe rogan
Imagine being Henry VIII. Killing your ex-wives.
Just chop that bitch's head off.
mike tyson
See, diseases got him, too.
That's why he could have messed up.
joe rogan
Well, he was a fucking barbarian.
What a horrible person.
I mean, you can imagine you get divorced with a lady, you just cut her head off.
mike tyson
Hey, but listen, imagine what he's seen in his family before he was king.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mike tyson
Imagine how many people in his family died before he could become king.
joe rogan
But what's crazy is that's like normal king behavior.
Like, when you talk about someone like Henry VIII or any ancient dictator that did horrible things to people, It's normal.
It's normal that these kings treated their people in terrible ways.
It was more common than for them to be good.
mike tyson
You know what a king is?
Napoleon said this to his mother because his mother was mad because he don't suck up enough.
He don't know how to suck up the kings, royal people and stuff.
And he said, Mom, there will always be kings, even if they go by different names.
And so a king could be Drake.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
You know what I mean?
He is a rapper.
That's the name rapper.
That's just another name for king.
A successful rapper, that's another name for king.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
You know, a successful guy, like Mike Tyson Fury, those kind of guys, that's another name for king.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it is kind of, he's like the king of, yeah, he's a gypsy king.
unidentified
Listen, what's that guy named?
mike tyson
Elon Musk.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the techno king.
mike tyson
Entrepreneur, tech, but he's just another word for king.
Right.
unidentified
He's a king.
mike tyson
He's still a king.
joe rogan
It's the same mindset, the same, like, position of power.
mike tyson
Yes.
joe rogan
But just not the same abuse.
mike tyson
This is what I found out.
You know, when you look at Henry the Ace and stuff, that's life.
That's you.
Listen, you.
You, Joe Rogan.
This is your crew.
They're around you most of the time.
You know most of their business, too.
Things go on.
So you have to find everything.
You say, you go to him, Jamie, what's going on today?
Well, he'll say, well, John came in late today.
Bill came over here.
We had a great time last night.
But he left early today.
And that's just what it is.
You want to know everybody, what they're doing.
You want to know everybody's around you.
They're taking care of your life.
So you want to know how their life is.
joe rogan
That's true, but over here, fortunately, everything runs so smooth, I don't have to have any of those conversations.
mike tyson
I know, I know.
But you're a king, and you're responsible for that.
You don't have to have the conversation, but that's on you.
joe rogan
I know what you're saying.
mike tyson
You choose not to.
joe rogan
Well, I choose to trust people.
mike tyson
Some kings don't.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I've been a peasant for many years.
I understand what it's like to be real broke and poor.
I was thinking about that today while I was washing my car today.
I was thinking, man, I never want to work for a fucking car wash.
mike tyson
Yeah, but you've never been poor.
Poor is a frame of mind.
If you were poor, you'd never be where you are now.
joe rogan
Right.
I just didn't have any money, and I was just young.
But that never escapes you.
You always feel weird about people working for you, and it seems strange.
mike tyson
Because you've dealt with poverty before.
I don't care how much money you have, you can't escape poverty.
joe rogan
I think it was a gift.
I mean, it was horrible at the time, but being a child and being on welfare...
mike tyson
It's only good if you survive.
joe rogan
Right.
It's only good if you survive.
mike tyson
Only if you survive is good.
joe rogan
But that's why when those kind of subjects come up, I'm so adamant that we need some sort of a social net for people to help people if they're broke.
Because it's not a baby's fault that his mother doesn't have any money.
It's not the child's fault that he was born into the world.
mike tyson
You can't do that.
I think that too.
They have to deal with adversity.
We have to find out who they are.
They have to find out who they are.
joe rogan
But shouldn't there be at least a method for them to eat?
mike tyson
I had to find out who I am.
No, I had to find out how to eat myself.
I had to go to free lunches.
If I see some free lunches and it's too close, I take their free lunch.
That's just what it is.
It's about the survival of the fittest.
joe rogan
It's interesting because you're one of the few people that could get away with saying that.
mike tyson
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, because you were the fittest, you know what I'm saying?
mike tyson
You know how a guy like me survive?
I don't survive by somebody giving me a job.
You take me to the most competitive system.
You just take me with it and just drop me there.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
Just drop me in there with a competition.
joe rogan
Like a Bruce Lee movie.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's how I flourish.
I don't flourish by anybody giving me chances.
No, boom, put me in there.
Let me show you what I can do.
Boom, let me show you.
I break the world to my feet.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a special type of person.
I mean, there's not a whole lot of you.
mike tyson
No, they are, though.
They're more, they just don't know it.
joe rogan
They just haven't experienced it.
mike tyson
Yeah, I don't look at myself as somebody special.
These people just haven't been talking to the right person.
That right person hasn't ignited their fucking ego.
joe rogan
So they're just not far enough down the path of being that in whatever they do.
mike tyson
They haven't met the right mentor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Because once you reach the right mentor, you don't want to be away from him.
You want to be in his presence always.
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting how much inspiration you get from a mentor?
I had that with martial arts instructors when I was a kid.
My appreciation and my love for them was unsurpassed.
My admiration for them was unsurpassed.
And for you to be a 13-year-old kid and just all the pieces aligned, not only did he have an amazing style that he could teach you in a style that was uniquely effective for you, the way you fought, but he could hypnotize you.
mike tyson
He affected my mind.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
I didn't care if a guy was 6'9 or 300 pounds.
He affected my mind where I thought I was superior than other people and I was ordained by God to be this person.
He has had my mind screwed up and there's no way I can lose if I lose it because God is jealous this particular night.
joe rogan
It's just crazy!
God is jealous!
But Mike, here's what's crazy.
He was right.
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He was right.
joe rogan
You could say that he affected your mind, but he didn't.
What he did is make you become that thing.
He made you become that perfect version of what you could be.
Everything that you could have done at 20 years of age to be that elite, you did.
You were as good as you could have been in that body.
So he maximized your potential.
He did it.
I mean, you could say he messed with your mind, but he really didn't.
mike tyson
It was all about intention.
joe rogan
Yes.
mike tyson
All about intention.
Fighting with intention.
Bad intention.
Everything was bad intention.
joe rogan
It's also so much technique, too.
So much movement.
mike tyson
And it has to do with a lot of the belief system.
A belief system is 90% of fighting.
joe rogan
To have a guy that understands psychology so much and get you when you were so young.
Get you at 12 years of age and start coaching you and mentoring you.
mike tyson
But at 12 I wanted it bad too.
I wanted it.
It wasn't like somebody was forcing me.
I said I want to be champ.
I want to be the boxing champ of the world.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
Teddy Atlas said that when he would bring you to Smokers when you were 13, kids wouldn't believe you were 13. No, listen.
Did he get mad?
Stop lying.
mike tyson
They're like, he's 16. There was a gentleman named John Connor.
He controlled the kid glove situation where you're 12, 13, 14. And I had to count.
He banned me from...
I'm from New York, but he said, no, you're from upstate.
You can't fight here.
But I'm born in Brooklyn because the kids wouldn't go into the tournament.
If I entered the tournament, nobody would enter, so they'd see no fight.
So I was banned from the tournament.
They would ban me from tournaments when I was a kid.
Listen, I was hitting these poor...
These guys, they used to fight.
I used to boxing professional fighters when I'm 13 and 12. These guys, I'm hitting arms.
The mother and father, they try to sue the system.
They say, he is not 12, 13 years old.
There's no way.
Listen, I'm 200 pounds.
Solid.
12, 13. I'm solid.
200 pounds.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
Oh my God, that is incredible.
That's incredible.
mike tyson
I've been fighting all my life.
I always had fights.
I had to be a fighter.
If it wasn't a street fighter, if it wasn't a professional fighter, I would have been a street fighter.
I always got into fights.
joe rogan
Who was the first person to ever show you how to throw a punch correctly?
mike tyson
This guy named Wise.
He just came out of prison.
He used to be an amateur boxer.
I used to smoke weed.
I used to smoke weed and cigarettes.
I would smoke cigarettes before weed, but I'm smoking and I'm watching them shadow box.
When I'm getting out, I'm smoking weed at around 8, and I'm watching this guy at 9. Yeah, I'm watching him shadow box.
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
And I was impressed with that.
And one day, this guy killed my bird, and I was fighting this guy.
And I remember him skipping when he was shadow box.
And when I hit this guy, I started skipping.
Everybody started applauding.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
Blew my mind.
Even if I had a kid in the street, I started shit skipping.
And everybody's like, oh, shit, he's skipping!
unidentified
Wow.
mike tyson
But I didn't know what I was doing.
I was just copying what I saw.
unidentified
I didn't know I was skipping, but I was just copying.
mike tyson
I copied the guy wise, and he was skipping.
That was part of the fight.
I started skipping.
Everybody started laughing and applauding.
joe rogan
Wow.
Wow.
So when you watched him shadowbox, did you just copy it or did he show you?
Did he give you pointers?
mike tyson
No.
I have that mind.
Boom.
Once I see it, boom, I got it.
I pick it up quick.
Look at this weeb.
As soon as I pick it up, boom, I got interest.
No, I don't say, once I got interest in something, I fucking destroy it.
joe rogan
Right.
So it's always been like that.
mike tyson
I decimate it, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's amazing.
So that one dude, he was the first guy.
Yeah.
That was the first scene.
mike tyson
He saw him skipping and moving.
joe rogan
And I'm smoking, I said, "Wow!" I never thought if I had a fight, I saw him doing it, I said, "Wow!" The movement is so interesting, Mike, because everybody knows that head movement is important.
Everybody knows that Canelo has real good head movement, but There's only really been one heavyweight that had the kind of head movement like you did.
Your head movement was fucking crazy.
mike tyson
Listen, that's when boxing's not fun when you're getting hit a lot.
You know, I saw these guys getting hit a lot.
And later in life, they don't...
They're not functional later in life.
I don't care how great they were.
You can't beat the accumulation of punches.
I don't care how great you are.
It shows up later in life.
And I had a teacher that was just...
Defense conscious.
Customer was so defense conscious.
He loved that his fighters were good looking and didn't have scars.
Matter of fact, he loved when his fighters looked like me.
If you'd ever saw me fight, you would never think I was a fighter.
Right.
But looking at my face.
joe rogan
No.
No, you don't have any gashes.
mike tyson
My main objective was to hit and not be hit.
joe rogan
Well, it was the style, that peekaboo style and the bobbin' and weavin', you were so hard to hit and you would punish people for mistakes.
So it wasn't just that you were slipping a punch, it's you were slipping a punch and a left hook from hell is coming right behind it.
And there was so much movement and speed.
It's like we've seen a bunch of different styles of heavyweights, but what's crazy is from your rise to today, there's no one really who fights in your style, which is kind of interesting, right?
mike tyson
I don't know.
I just wanted to be somebody, and I wanted the greatest to know my name.
I want a guy like Ali, Durant to know who I was.
joe rogan
You did that, my friend.
You did that.
The whole world knows your name.
But what's interesting is that, like, your style was so effective, but there's not a heavyweight out there that fights like you, which is interesting because...
mike tyson
Because that's a complicated style when you really think about it because it's more like karate than boxing.
Because boxing, you're loose.
In karate, you're...
That's like karate.
joe rogan
Your style was so terrifying.
Because instead of a Larry Holmes style where you're behind a strong jab and you're boxing...
mike tyson
See, that wasn't me.
I'm short.
My jab is only good when I'm aggressive.
It's not good when I'm out here.
I think when I'm coming forward.
joe rogan
There was so many consequences.
That was the thing about your fights.
It's like every mistake that anybody made had grave consequences.
mike tyson
Listen, the whole thing is you have to take risks, too.
In order for fights to be exciting, people have to take risks.
If you're watching two guys fight, they're not taking risks.
They're not fighting.
Fighting is about taking risks.
joe rogan
Exactly.
mike tyson
Risking losing and getting hit.
joe rogan
That's why the Tommy Hearns-Marvin Hagler fight was so great.
Because they both threw caution to the wind.
mike tyson
Absolutely.
But the fact that they both were getting hit.
joe rogan
They were getting hit.
mike tyson
That's what made it exciting.
But fighting's good when you're not getting hit and you're hitting the guy.
joe rogan
Right.
mike tyson
That's fighting.
joe rogan
What's fascinating to me is how effective you were.
There's a part of the people forget how effective you were with your head movement.
It was a big part of your style.
You were so hard to hit, and when people were swinging at you, the counters were so dangerous.
mike tyson
I just wanted to be the best.
That's just all I wanted to be.
I'm the kind of guy...
I'd rather fucking win and get no fucking money.
joe rogan
Really?
Because the feeling of winning is so much better.
mike tyson
They're losing their money.
Fuck.
Hate losing.
Fuck.
joe rogan
Of course.
When you really stop and think about what you were able to accomplish, it's pretty wild, man, because you changed boxing in a lot of ways.
You made the heavyweight division exciting again.
There was a long lull where people didn't appreciate Larry Holmes because he came after Ali.
He's like the most underappreciated heavyweight of all time.
mike tyson
What a fighter.
joe rogan
What a fighter.
mike tyson
Fuck.
joe rogan
What a fighter.
mike tyson
What a fighter.
joe rogan
And he had the balls to come and fight you.
mike tyson
No, he had balls in his prime.
He had balls.
He was nothing but balls.
joe rogan
He was amazing.
mike tyson
Goddamn.
joe rogan
When, you know, you watch some of his fights, like Jerry Cooney knockout.
Goddamn, he was good.
mike tyson
No.
After he fought me, he almost beat a van to hold us in.
Oliver McCall.
1.2 points from beating him.
I said, God damn!
I was so happy that I fought him his first fight.
It would have been different after he had 10 or 15 other fights now, because he was good after the fight.
joe rogan
He did have a lot of good fights after that.
You know what's interesting, Mikey said, as long as you were in jail, he'd keep fighting.
mike tyson
That's what he said, man.
joe rogan
He's like, as long as Mikey's not around, I'll keep fighting.
But fuck that.
mike tyson
I really admire him and look up to him so much.
joe rogan
My God, his jab.
What?
mike tyson
His nerve.
Everything.
joe rogan
Everything.
His jab was a work of art.
Larry Holmes had one of the greatest jabs ever.
mike tyson
Most of his fights was exciting, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, he was totally underappreciated because he came.
Everybody was just so sad that he beat up Ali.
mike tyson
Yeah.
Ali had the effect on people like unbelievable.
joe rogan
Everybody loved Ali, so it was so hard to accept Larry Holmes after he beat up Ali in front of everybody.
That's all it was.
It was just the love of Ali.
It's too bad because if Ali didn't exist or if Larry Holmes didn't have to beat him to become a champion, if Ali had just retired and Larry Holmes came and fought somebody else and became the champ, people would appreciate how good he was.
mike tyson
It wasn't meant to be.
It wasn't written.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
It wasn't written.
joe rogan
But damn, later in his life, he was in his 40s, he was having great boxing matches.
mike tyson
Kicking his ass.
joe rogan
Looking good.
mike tyson
Oh man, kicking, talking shit.
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Talking shit.
I guess he was like, fuck it, I can still do it.
mike tyson
He was an athlete, huh?
joe rogan
Oh my God, yeah.
mike tyson
Never got credit for that.
He's such an athlete.
joe rogan
When you look at the heavyweight division today, it's such a different landscape than back in your day.
mike tyson
It could be a greater one, though.
There's a lot of talent there that should be fighting one another.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
mike tyson
They just keep fighting each other over and over.
All the top five guys just keep fighting each other.
That's what it's about, just being active.
They're not active enough.
People don't see them enough.
joe rogan
They hear about them, but they don't Is it just that it's hard to get these fights scheduled?
Are they just negotiating hard?
mike tyson
Listen, if I don't fight him, I'm not fighting.
I'm not fighting nobody.
This is who I want to fight.
If I don't fight him, I'm not fighting nobody.
You can take my belts.
joe rogan
So it has to come to that.
mike tyson
I want to fight him.
If I don't fight him, I'm not fighting nobody.
That's what he has to say.
I don't know, but most people believe if they lose, they're over.
They don't know it just began.
joe rogan
Well, some guys have been able to come back from rough losses and still gain the public's attention.
Deontay is a perfect example of that.
mike tyson
It's all about giving it your breath.
The reason why people don't appreciate you is because you haven't gave your breath.
This is what they look at.
This is how Cuss would look at it.
You have made all this money, you got all this fame, and this is how much you're going to give, Carl.
You're going to...
You run only five miles.
You run four miles.
He gave you all his fame.
Everybody know you're only going to give him five fucking miles, Mike.
joe rogan
Right, right.
mike tyson
Because of running that kind of gear on me.
You know, he'd say, well, you know, God gave you all this.
All this stuff he gave you, you can't give him five rounds, six rounds, eight rounds.
You have to look at it from that perspective.
With all the talent you have and you just can't give it an extra round, you don't got another round in your mind, give me a break, okay?
You got 20 extra rounds in you.
It's all in your mind.
Wow.
joe rogan
How important is that to hear, too?
mike tyson
Well, you need, for a guy like me, with low self-esteem and stuff like that, I need to hear that I'm God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
You know, if I don't hear that, I think that I'm not going to no ring.
You ain't going to see me in no fight.
joe rogan
Was the first time beating people in matches, as an amateur, was that the first times where you felt really good about accomplishments?
mike tyson
Joe, I'm going to tell you something.
And Teddy Atlas will tell you this.
My first fight ever, I knocked the guy out and I stepped on him like this.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
mike tyson
That's Teddy Atlas.
I was just so passionate about fighting.
Boom, knocked him out.
I stepped on him like this.
joe rogan
I'm on top of him.
Oh my god.
mike tyson
Teddy said, what the fuck?
Listen, I'm really into that gangster warrior mentality, savage stuff.
joe rogan
How old were you?
mike tyson
I'm 13 or 14. I'm 14. I knocked him out.
I stepped on top.
I'm on top of him.
I got my feet on him.
I'm like, Teddy comes.
What the hell are you doing?
Listen, I'm into that gang, that warrior mentality.
I mean, since I was a kid, I'm stepping on people in the ring.
Wow.
And I don't talk to people when I'm in the ring.
People be saying, hey, you look good the last fight.
I just don't talk to them.
joe rogan
Wow.
mike tyson
People come up to me, great fight last night.
I just never talked to nobody.
People say, he's a weird asshole.
No one likes me because I didn't talk to anybody.
Before a fight, people say, great fight last night.
Just look at him, because this is what happened to me.
One day a guy came up to me and said, great fight last night.
You look good.
I said, thank you very much, sir.
And then Cus went like this.
You know him?
I said, no, it was just a nice guy.
He was a nice guy.
He came over here and said, congratulations for my fight last night.
He said, what do you mean, nice guy?
Like, you like him?
He's handsome or cute?
What do you mean, nice guy?
Explain nice guy to me.
And then my whole attitude changed.
I don't know.
He said, hi, Cus.
I'm sorry.
And then Cus goes to the guy, hey, don't ever talk to my fighter again.
Do you hear what I'm saying?
Do you listen to me?
Don't ever talk to my fighter again!
Whoa.
He was paranoid because before he had fighters, people stole his fighters.
unidentified
Oh.
mike tyson
So he thought that blew his mind, so he think all his fighters are going to leave him.
joe rogan
Interesting.
mike tyson
He had Rocky Rossiano.
Rocky Rossiano left him.
That blew his mind.
He thought everybody was going to steal his fighters.
He just blew his mind about people stealing his fighters.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
That probably went on a lot.
mike tyson
Oh, yeah.
Stealing his fighters.
joe rogan
When you see the heavyweight division today, the Usyk versus Joshua match, that's a very interesting fight to me.
That's very interesting.
That Usyk guy is phenomenal.
mike tyson
Listen, Tyson's going to have to wear him down.
He can't, because the guy is moving, moving, and all that stuff.
Tyson is going to have to just wear him down.
He's not going to box this guy.
He's just going to have to beat him down.
joe rogan
Yeah, Joshua's fighting Usyk next.
And Tyson is fighting Dillian White.
mike tyson
No, I think, I think, um...
joe rogan
I think they've settled that, right?
mike tyson
I think Dante Wilder should fight Uzzik.
joe rogan
That would be a great fight.
mike tyson
That's because Dante Wilder, he's going to be aggressive trying to knock him out.
joe rogan
Listen, Deontay Wilder can knock anybody out.
His power is ridiculous.
When he knocked out Ortiz, that was crazy.
mike tyson
But listen...
Having a hard punch is like having a nuclear war, but it don't serve no military value if it doesn't land on its target.
Uzek is very hard to hit.
joe rogan
Very hard to hit.
Very hard to hit.
Joshua did catch him a couple times, though.
mike tyson
I know, but Joshua...
joe rogan
Joshua's elite.
mike tyson
Uzek is an elite amateur boxer.
He has that amateur boxer stuff, mess guys like Joshua up, because there's too much movement, singing, and all that stuff.
And he's not really an amateur.
He just...
He got so much.
He could do so much.
That's why he's never a lost soul.
He could learn so much.
He's still learning.
That's why he's dangerous, Josh, because he's still fucking learning.
joe rogan
Well, he definitely made an adjustment after the Andy Ruiz fight, right?
He lost to Ruiz the first fight, come back, won a clear unanimous decision in the second fight.
mike tyson
With other gentlemen, too.
Andy Ruiz.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, Andy Ruiz.
Yeah, I think I'm fascinated to see how that fight goes down.
Is that delayed because of the war?
mike tyson
Yeah, I think it was.
See, Joshua has to know how to throw more points.
Boom, boom, boom.
Jabba's got to be like a...
He can't get things.
Jabba's got to constantly be out there and he's got to turn it into something.
joe rogan
That's the thing about Usyk having...
He used to be a cruiserweight.
He's got a lot of endurance.
He doesn't move like a big guy.
He moves like a smaller guy.
But, um...
mike tyson
Joshua needs to pick up the pace a little, not much.
He has got so much damn potential.
joe rogan
He definitely does.
But he comes back from every fight that he's had better.
One of the most impressive ones was he knocked out Klitschko.
mike tyson
Yeah, Klitschko's seen better days though.
He fought great that night.
joe rogan
True.
But Klitschko dropped him first and he came back and stopped him.
mike tyson
That was a wild fight.
That was a wild fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great heavyweight time right now.
mike tyson
Joshua's no walkover.
It's just that for some reason I don't know.
We expect a lot from Joshua for some reason.
I guess maybe because English people are so behind him, we got caught up in the bandwagon too, but Americans expect a lot out of Joshua for some reason.
joe rogan
Well, he's an Adonis.
He's like a perfect specimen.
mike tyson
Oh, after boxing, he's going to have a beautiful life after boxing because he's beautiful.
joe rogan
He's beautiful.
But his power is stunning.
I mean, he has crazy power.
And he's just an elite athlete.
The Tyson Fury fight, to me, that's a real interesting one.
Those two guys, that's a real interesting fight to me.
You know, because Tyson Fury is so unusual.
He's so tall and long.
And his movement, I mean, he's got such a nice jab.
And he's so good at, like, using distance and clinching.
unidentified
Did Jeff...
mike tyson
It's just weird to take him serious because he doesn't take the fighting seriously.
He's laughing at people.
He's licking their blood.
What's wrong with this guy, man?
unidentified
But Mike, doesn't it take a certain amount of crazy to be the best?
mike tyson
You got to totally be out of your mind.
joe rogan
And that's what he is, right?
He's out of his fucking mind.
mike tyson
He's totally out of your mind.
Listen, nobody picked this up.
What fighter comes in the ring with Patsy Cline crazy unless he's losing?
He's trying to tell you I'm losing my mind.
He's trying to let the people know I'm fucking losing my mind.
I'm crazy.
This heavyweight championship's not the way I thought it was.
This is insanity.
The heavyweight champ is insanity, man.
It's called the crown of thorns, baby.
Everybody that wore that title got a story to tell.
They have a story to tell, baby.
joe rogan
He's in the middle of his story right now.
Those Wilder fights are incredible.
mike tyson
You know, it's just weird how...
You know, if certain people were living in biblical times, they would be prophets.
Like, if he was in biblical times, he would be a prophet and stuff.
They couldn't explain that.
Why is he so successful in this particular?
They can't explain that stuff.
joe rogan
Why is he exceptional?
mike tyson
Yeah.
They couldn't explain Goliath or Samson.
They just couldn't understand these guys.
Listen, David's known for the father of Israel.
He created Israel, right?
What's the only thing you know David for?
What is he known for?
He created the whole nation, but what is he known for?
joe rogan
Killing Goliath.
mike tyson
Yes.
He's done so many great things, but the only thing he's known for, if you're not a scholar really, the only thing you know David for is killing Goliath.
A fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
He's known for a fight.
He created a whole nation, but he's known for a fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, he killed a big guy with a rock.
mike tyson
Yeah, slingshot and then he chopped his head off.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's always throughout history there's been the best fighter and they were one of the most revered people in society.
mike tyson
To today too.
joe rogan
To today.
There's a thing about a heavyweight title fight where you know, whether it's in MMA or it's in boxing, you know that is the elite of the elite as far as fighting.
mike tyson
It's as good as people are alive today in 2020. Listen, someone told me that you could work in Tesla, the head corporation in Tesla.
All your high-tech geeks, right?
If a fight goes down in the lobby, the whole everybody's left their room, they're watching the fight.
It's just, that's what fight does.
The animal instincts in us.
Somebody never had a fight in their life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Never had a fight.
Yeah, get him, get him.
joe rogan
Especially if you're watching two people argue and then it escalates and then you know the fists are going to fly.
Isn't it, how funny is it to you to watch people who have no idea how to fight and they're willing to get into fights?
Isn't that crazy?
mike tyson
That's just the lack of self-control.
Because you have no idea how much pain you're going to be in in a few minutes.
You have no idea until that pain happens to really start to increase, and you just say, what the hell happened?
joe rogan
When you see those videos of people who don't know how to fight, and they pick a fight with someone who's a trained fighter, and they get knocked out, and you realize what a horrible mistake it was for that person to do that?
mike tyson
No, the person that hurt him should have realized during the situation, this guy's not in my league.
Well, not all the time you can do that, but certain times you see this guy, he's not in my league, don't hurt him.
Unless your ego's flaring up and you want to stop this guy in front of a lot of people.
joe rogan
A lot of guys do want to stop a guy.
I mean, someone's trying to hurt you.
mike tyson
Alright, but listen.
joe rogan
It's hard to pull back.
mike tyson
Listen, I'm...
That's just your intent.
You believe he's trying to hurt you.
Maybe he's really not, and you kill him by accident.
That happened so many times.
joe rogan
That could happen, too.
He could be bluffing.
mike tyson
That happens.
It does happen.
Sometimes you don't even plan to kill him.
You just push him or hit him and hit something.
He had an aneurysm, and you didn't know it.
He didn't know he had an aneurysm.
He's dead, and you've got to do that time.
joe rogan
A friend of mine was working as a bouncer in Long Island, and his buddy at the bar accidentally killed a guy.
That same exact thing, what you're saying.
The guy started to fight with him.
He hit the guy.
The guy went unconscious, fell back, hit his head, died.
mike tyson
I was locked up with a guy.
He never hit nobody in his life, but this guy owed the money.
He said, so he shot the guy in the foot.
The guy died.
You know, I never had a fight in my life.
I shot the guy in the foot because you got to shoot these guys because they won't pay you.
So I shot this guy and he died.
I've been there for shooting the guy in the foot and he died.
joe rogan
Oh my God, he died from a foot shot.
Oh no.
mike tyson
I don't know, I think it's probably what happened.
That's what I'm in here for.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
mike tyson
When you're in places like that, you realize that a lot of people don't have a lot of emotional control over themselves.
A lot of people are in there for love or money or something.
Do you believe that?
In prison for love, will you believe that?
A lot of people are in prison for love, crimes of passion.
joe rogan
Do you think that we could avoid a lot of that if people were introduced to psychedelics?
mike tyson
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I think so too.
mike tyson
Listen, you know what I realized?
That when I took mushrooms sometimes, that's why I panic sometimes.
And I run upstairs to my wife and say, baby, I took mushrooms.
I'm sorry.
I know you told me not to take them, but I took them and I can't take it right now.
It's fucking with my head right now.
I'm so sorry, baby.
Please, please, just hold me right now, baby, please.
Oh, God, I'm tired.
Oh, God, baby, please.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I told you not to use that no more!
Stop using the mushroom!
You're the shroomy guy, stop!
joe rogan
Mushrooms can take you on a dark journey.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Mushrooms, sometimes, it feels like it's trying to tell you something.
mike tyson
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Absolutely, and you're scared to listen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It seems sometimes...
It seems like it's apocalyptic, you know?
mike tyson
You know, I understand that because I could be on mushrooms and sometimes really believe that I'm gone and everybody here is here for my enjoyment.
I can't really think of mushrooms.
Everybody's just here for me to make me happy, to make me alert.
Yeah, I can believe that.
You feel like you're the only person in the world when you're on a really good strain of mushrooms.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You're so far divorced from regular thinking, you're in like a dreamland.
mike tyson
It's hard to really articulate it to somebody, how you feel when you're under that state.
joe rogan
It's real hard.
They're never going to understand it unless they do it.
I don't even think everybody should do it.
mike tyson
No, it's not.
Listen, when you're on some good shows, you don't want no sex, you don't want nothing, you just want to find something.
You just don't want nothing.
joe rogan
I wish there was a way that people, that grown adults, could experience it in a professional setting.
So if you have professional people that know how to dose people correctly...
mike tyson
Fear, fear, fear is stronger than anything.
joe rogan
I know, it is.
But what I think is if they did allow that, it could make a better world.
There's a legitimate tool to make a better world, and people look at it and dismiss it like it's silly.
mike tyson
People don't want people to know how they really are.
So if they took Shroom, they would expose who they really are.
And I think people living in this world never exposing themselves and uncomfortable to the day they die.
joe rogan
I think that's true for sure.
But I also think there's a lot of people that are just ignorant to it.
They don't know what it is.
They've been sold that it's, like, bad for you and that, you know, you're taking drugs, you know, you might have a hallucination and lose your fucking mind and waste your time doing this.
mike tyson
If you tell me, hey, man, that fucking white cobra was a Bad motherfucker laughing.
I said, let me try it out.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Of course.
mike tyson
That's just me.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
But you've had a lot of experiences.
I think for some people, though, the idea of doing a psychedelic drug to them sounds like a stupid thing to do.
Like, why would you want to hallucinate?
Why would you want to lose you?
They think it's something negative.
Because you think of a drug that's that powerful, you think of it as having a negative consequence.
But I think it's probably just really effective and it should be managed.
mike tyson
I agree.
joe rogan
They should figure out what is the dose if you weigh 100 pounds?
What is the dose if you weigh 150 pounds?
Is there a way to do this in a clinical setting where people can go and experience something that's not going to kill them?
mike tyson
If I start now, my resistance is probably low, but I have a high resistance.
I've heard.
joe rogan
Once you start yawning, right?
It's over.
mike tyson
I'm yawning, but mmm, I got that little bit mmm.
joe rogan
Those mushroom yawns are weird.
Mushroom yawns are weird because it's not like you're tired.
It's just like...
mike tyson
Yeah, so you didn't know what happened.
That's the mushroom yawn.
They say, yeah, that's the shrooms you're yawning, Mike.
The shrooms help you yawning.
joe rogan
Yeah, shrooms are a very strange thing because it's a life form.
Whatever it is, it's some sort of a weird life form that breathes oxygen.
Mushrooms breathe oxygen like we do.
mike tyson
Because we are mushrooms.
We're fungus.
joe rogan
We're a biosystem, whatever the fuck we are.
We're filled with all kinds of bio-organisms and skin.
mike tyson
The dirt and the mud.
joe rogan
Everything you eat, your gut biome, everything.
It's all just a bunch of bacteria.
mike tyson
Diamonds, gold, everything the world's made of.
We're made out of those minerals.
joe rogan
We're made out of a fucking star exploding.
It takes a star to blow up to make us.
unidentified
And we're made out of diamonds, minerals, and all that stuff.
joe rogan
Is that real?
We're made out of diamonds and minerals?
I guess we're made out of all the same things.
mike tyson
From the Earth.
joe rogan
From carbon.
We're a carbon-based life form, right?
mike tyson
Hey, does it rain diamonds and Neptune and Jupiter?
unidentified
Check that out.
joe rogan
There's some place like that does, right?
No, there is.
mike tyson
For real.
No, that's real.
They're sending these little things to these planets sucking up stuff and coming back.
joe rogan
I think they found a place that they think does that.
mike tyson
No, they rain diamonds.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a place that they think it rains diamonds.
mike tyson
Two places, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that was real.
On Neptune, it's raining diamonds.
Holy shit.
Icy gems may be forming deep inside Neptune and Uranus.
Yeah, those are the two places.
mike tyson
I found that out like 10 years ago.
joe rogan
How wild is that?
mike tyson
No, listen, as I was saying before, we don't know who the hell we are.
So if it's rain, we're made out of rain, then we're made out of diamonds too.
We're made out of gold.
No, really.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
mike tyson
We're made out of platinum on all of our existence.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But we need a lot of that.
You need iron in your body.
You have to have iron.
Your body needs actual iron.
mike tyson
It's this way of dying.
I was just looking at it.
I have a 13-year-old daughter that's just a genius.
And it's a form of dying where you prepare for dying and you turn into the fungus process.
And you prepare for dying.
You stop eating.
And your body slows down.
And the fungus starts to process before you even start dying.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a monk that was doing that, right?
That was the Buddha.
That's what Buddha was doing.
mike tyson
Buddha's pretty interesting.
Buddha believed that suffering was self-suffering, and God didn't create us to suffer, and that's what he lived for, to stop self-suffering.
unidentified
I was looking at this story a month ago, and I thought that was pretty interesting.
mike tyson
I never understood that he was very wealthy, and he left all of that, and his wife and his children stopped suffering, self-suffering.
joe rogan
Really?
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those guys, man, the idea of starving yourself and turning yourself into a mummy, that wasn't uncommon.
They would do that.
That was a real thing they did.
There was one guy that got turned into a statue.
Did you ever see that?
mike tyson
No.
joe rogan
They studied the statue of a monk that was in a lotus position, and then they did an x-ray of it, and they found out there's a skeleton inside the statue.
So they made a statue out of this monk who they think probably...
Oh, look at this.
Mummified monk in Mongolia, not dead, said Buddhist.
Oh, this is a different one.
They say he's not dead.
They're like, hang on.
Don't call it yet.
He's going to make a comeback.
Oh, they said he's in a deep meditative trance and not dead.
Forensic examinations are underway on the remains...
mike tyson
Shoging is Kong's tomb.
joe rogan
Do you think they know where it is?
mike tyson
It's under a mountain, they believe.
joe rogan
You think so?
mike tyson
Just check it out.
Oh, look at this guy.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
mike tyson
Worship for eternity.
Oh, that's what you were talking about, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
Remember, they used to put themselves on fire and everything.
joe rogan
Well, that was during the Vietnam War.
One monk did that to protest.
He covered himself in gasoline and lit himself on fire.
That's that Rage Against the Machine album, the cover.
Remember that?
mike tyson
I think Def got a bad rap.
joe rogan
Death has a bad rap.
mike tyson
Yeah, I think we should be afraid of death, but we shouldn't cling to life.
You know, we should be appreciative of the time that we had here that was successful and the way that we evolved and just call it a day.
joe rogan
And experience as much fun and as much happiness as you can while you're here.
mike tyson
In order to enjoy happiness, there must be sadness.
joe rogan
You gotta suffer.
mike tyson
Yeah.
So let's stop just to always remember that.
Happiness doesn't mean hee-hee-ha-ha.
Happiness is adversity, overcoming adversity.
joe rogan
Challenges.
mike tyson
Yeah.
joe rogan
Difficult things.
I went to Alaska once.
mike tyson
I wanted to go there.
joe rogan
I've been a few times, but I went this one time, went to Prince Edward's Island.
It rains constantly, constantly.
I mean, we were camping, and it was raining while we were camping, so you never get dry.
You're just constantly wet.
mike tyson
Tell me about the bears.
joe rogan
Well, that was a place that didn't have big bears.
They only had a few black bears.
We didn't see any bears.
We were looking for deer.
We didn't get a deer.
But we were up there camping in the rain, and then I came back to California.
And I remember I called all my friends.
I go, dude, I've never been happier in my life.
Because I was just drenched for like nine days or seven days or whatever we were.
But when we came back, it was just sunny.
I never felt better about the sun.
It felt so good.
mike tyson
You were talking about the deer just now.
I used to be a cold-blooded vegan until I met you in the venison and the bison and all that stuff.
And then I realized that your body needs that.
joe rogan
Your body, if you're going to be a high-level performance athlete, it's very likely that it could benefit from some animal protein.
mike tyson
I've never eaten bison or venison.
I've never eaten that in my life.
I even go to the bathroom.
joe rogan
I think it's the best food you can eat.
I really do.
mike tyson
I'm always strong no matter what I'm taking, what I'm doing, I'm always strong.
No matter if I'm on a diet, I'm not eating anything but just that and blueberries.
I feel incredible.
joe rogan
I think bison is like a perfect food.
mike tyson
I believe that too.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
mike tyson
I really believe.
I don't get no after effects like I do from chicken or something, beef.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you get organic bison, man, that is some amazing meat.
It's so good for you.
It's so rich in protein too.
So is like deer and moose and elk and all those different animals.
mike tyson
Yeah, that's what I've been eating lately.
joe rogan
It's so much better for you.
mike tyson
I never knew about that stuff until I met you.
joe rogan
Well, I'm glad you got into it.
The only problem with that is you can't...
Have a reliable amount of that stuff farmed.
mike tyson
Yeah, but I make sure it's enough.
I always have it frozen in the freezer.
I have a whole freezer with bison, venice.
It's a freezer.
One freezer for that.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's awesome.
It's the best meat, I think.
mike tyson
I don't even look at it as red meat.
I don't look at it as red meat.
I don't feel like I'm eating red meat.
joe rogan
Well, it's game.
What it is, it's like an animal that has evolved to get away from the scariest predators.
It's an animal in North America that's evolved to get away from mountain lions and wolves and grizzly bears.
That's what it's evolved to get away from.
And now people.
It's an amazing animal.
mike tyson
Incredible animal.
joe rogan
And when you eat the nutrients in it, it's so dense.
It feels better when you eat it.
mike tyson
Yeah, it's so much superior than any meat I've eaten before.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking good for you.
mike tyson
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
joe rogan
Mike Tyson, you're a bad motherfucker.
mike tyson
You just don't think, you know, you sometimes, since I took the toad, right, I just thought I knew so much.
And then you do DMT and you realize you know shit.
You just don't know anything.
joe rogan
I was just reading an article about that.
These vets that were talking about their experience on that same stuff, on 5-MEO, DMT, and then these trips that they were having, how it would help them put things into perspective.
Because it's just so potent.
mike tyson
Some of the things that, you know, after doing the toadness, some of the things that I've done in the past, I look and I say, who is that person?
What was that nonsense coming out?
It's just a different thing.
I can't articulate it.
joe rogan
It's probably what created people, Mike.
It's probably what created the ethical framework that made societies.
It probably was tripping.
Probably like group tripping and then, of course, like love of family and love of friends and love of your companions and the people around you.
mike tyson
That's all that DMT is about.
It hits the love gland.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
mike tyson
It penetrates the love gland and it just over-exaggerates it.
joe rogan
And if you can feel good, if you can relax when you're on a DMT trip, it's like the most loving experience.
If you can just relax.
Wake up crying.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
So much beauty.
You can't believe it.
mike tyson
Someone else said this.
I said, I said, coming back is a downer.
When you do the total and you come back, oh God.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It's like regular life seems kind of dull.
mike tyson
It is, because the mind's taking you so many places.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder if that's what happens when you die.
That's what I wonder most about.
mike tyson
This is what they found out, right?
The soul weight one.
What's the soul weight?
21 grams?
2.1 grams?
Something like that?
joe rogan
That was a movie, right?
mike tyson
No, no, no.
joe rogan
About when people died, that their life...
mike tyson
No, it wasn't a movie.
joe rogan
No, no, it wasn't.
But it also was a movie.
mike tyson
Yeah, it showed where the person was on the way before he died, on the scale.
As soon as he died, he was 2.1.
One gram or 21 grams lighter.
How much is it again, brother?
joe rogan
21 grams.
There was a movie about people dying and about...
Who was that?
It was a popular movie.
jamie vernon
I think Ethan Hawke was in it.
joe rogan
That's right, Ethan Hawke.
It was about that very thing.
jamie vernon
Oh, Sean Penn, Naomi Watts, Benicio Del Toro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So that is real?
mike tyson
Everybody dies.
They're light at 21 grams or 2.1 grams, something to that effect.
joe rogan
I wonder how they measure that.
When do they know?
mike tyson
They put him while he's alive.
He's only right before he dies.
They weigh him while he's dying.
joe rogan
So you let him die on a scale?
mike tyson
No, it's like a long scale while you're in your bed.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Oh, so you turn the bed into a scale?
mike tyson
Pretty much, yeah.
joe rogan
You could probably do that.
It seems like you could be able to do that.
mike tyson
Yeah.
And when they die, they notice that the scale is lighter.
unidentified
Whoa.
mike tyson
21 grams.
I don't know, how can you measure 21 grams?
I'm sure you do.
joe rogan
That your spirit actually has a weight.
mike tyson
Because imagine 21 grams making all this function.
21 grams got this guy over the computer reading telling us that 21 grams is 21 grams.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
So imagine how much power that 21 grand is.
Graham have if it's missing as soon as you die.
joe rogan
Is that real?
jamie vernon
So it comes from an experiment a guy did in 1907. God damn.
joe rogan
Somebody might want to run that one back.
mike tyson
Yeah, we need to try that one again.
joe rogan
Because if he's a liar, we got a problem.
If he's right, though, it's amazing.
If he's right, and then I want him to be right.
That's the problem.
I want him to be right.
jamie vernon
2001, physicist Lewis Hollander published an article in the Journal of Scientific Exploration where he exhibited the results of a similar experiment.
Tested the weight of one ram, seven ewes, three lambs, one goat.
mike tyson
With animals as well?
Yeah!
joe rogan
Wait a minute, say that again?
So he did it with their bodies, upon death they lost weight?
jamie vernon
His experiment showed that seven of the adult sheep varied their weight upon dying, though not losing it, but rather gaining an amount...
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
mike tyson
She'd gain weight?
joe rogan
They gain weight when they die?
jamie vernon
I'm reading it in real time.
mike tyson
Listen, this is like my car.
I'm seeing flying stars.
unidentified
Yeah, there's stars.
mike tyson
I'm saying, what's going on here?
unidentified
I should have probably told you.
mike tyson
Yeah, this is like my car's the same way.
The stars are flying.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a shooting star on the roof every like 40 seconds or something.
mike tyson
Suddenly after smoking, whoa.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
It's not scientific fact, but it is an experiment people have tried to recreate.
mike tyson
If it's not scientific, how come it's an experience that's successful?
What is scientific?
You try something and it works, right?
joe rogan
I think the reason why they say that is because it was in 1907, is that what you said?
And it hasn't been recreated.
And if it did, it would get recreated.
mike tyson
So why do they keep still labeling it 2.1 gram or 21 grams?
joe rogan
I think it's just to go with the old study that that guy made.
That's crazy that you can make a study, you can do a test, some experiments in 1907. Think it'd be different now?
I wonder.
I would like to know.
mike tyson
Did anybody try that test recently?
joe rogan
It'd be amazing if they did.
jamie vernon
Even during the test, though, only one of the six patients measured that 21 grams.
mike tyson
So how come it's so legendary now?
jamie vernon
It's hard to say.
mike tyson
I'm trying to figure out all that.
Putting one on over us, right?
Johnny over the nickel or something like that.
jamie vernon
It literally could just be because it got published here like in the New York Times and because of that people just ran.
mike tyson
There's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers.
joe rogan
New York Times, fake news.
jamie vernon
Could be.
joe rogan
All the way back in, what year was this?
jamie vernon
1907. Damn.
mike tyson
Oh, you know, the bunch of lying ass, rednecks back then, lying motherfuckers.
joe rogan
But it's a cool thing to see, like to see written, like that your soul actually has a weight to it.
Like you say, oh my God, it's proven.
28 grams or 21 grams.
But in fact, they don't really know.
mike tyson
Hey, listen, I never underestimate the ancients.
I don't underestimate them.
joe rogan
No.
mike tyson
Their thinking capacity.
joe rogan
No, I think there was a time, Mike, I'm inclined to believe there was a time where people were at least as advanced as we are, maybe even more so, and they got wiped out by something.
mike tyson
Think about this.
Think about some motherfuckers.
I'm here, and some motherfuckers, excuse me, some gentlemen are in New York, and we're having a conversation.
joe rogan
Yeah, crazy.
mike tyson
Yeah, we're having a conversation.
joe rogan
Through the air.
Yeah, and you can do it Zoom time, in real time.
mike tyson
No, but at one time I'm sure they could, like that story we think when you think about somebody and all of a sudden he rings, I'm sure they were able to do that stuff.
It's on the drop of the dime.
Hey, let's call Woodrow.
Hey, how you doing?
Hey, it's me, Mike, man.
Long time no see.
I hear from him.
And he is talking to Telecolepsy, whatever they call it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I think we're going to have, that's going to be, they have glasses now.
What are the, Ray-Ban puts out glasses?
They look like regular glasses or sunglasses and you can like record things through them.
mike tyson
You're gonna be able to see things through them like GPS and all those augmented reality things and it's gonna be in your head my wife believes oh My wife thinks I'm such a she is um My wife My wife thinks My I will say that I won't use the word she used my wife thinks I haven't evolved because I carry a lot of cash on me She probably shouldn't tell people that, Mike.
What?
Listen, listen.
joe rogan
I've never seen a person.
mike tyson
I carry, listen, I carry a lot of cash with it.
And my wife said, look at you, you haven't evolved.
You still carry all that.
What do you carry all that money for?
You're just looking for trouble.
I said, no, I'm not looking for trouble.
You need that credit card to get this.
So that's what that credit card is going.
You need the credit card to get this.
You can't get this without that.
You know, you can't work this.
How are you going to get somebody?
They want to know where the money's at.
So I'm the guy, I keep cash on me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
mike tyson
And that's just what I do.
She called me another word, but I won't tell you what she called me.
I used to keep cash on me.
joe rogan
Well, I used to play pool.
mike tyson
Listen, I just found out today that my assistant has my credit card.
My credit card was gone for two years.
I thought it was gone.
joe rogan
Your assistant had the whole time?
mike tyson
This week, they had my credit card.
I was telling my wife this.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
mike tyson
I said, baby, find out if anybody's calling on my credit card or something, because I didn't see it in two years.
I'm lost.
I don't know what happened when I canceled my credit card.
And next day I know Troy told me, Mike, I got your credit card.
This is two years.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
How about a heads up?
mike tyson
I wish.
joe rogan
You don't want to tell me you have my fucking credit card?
I used to play pool a lot.
We always had money.
I always carried some amount of cash on me because people always wanted to gamble.
So I always had a few hundred bucks on me.
mike tyson
Exactly.
Know what they found out now?
They said Mr. Bighton's son is hanging out with Whitey Bulger's people, his nephew and stuff.
joe rogan
What?
mike tyson
Look it up, look it up, brother.
What's his name again?
Jamie.
Jamie, say it.
Say Jamie, look it up.
Jamie, see?
Jamie's going to find out.
Whitey Bulger.
And listen, I like this Biden's son guy.
unidentified
I know he probably got some issues, but I kind of like this guy, man.
Look at this stuff.
joe rogan
I tried to get on the podcast.
mike tyson
Look at this stuff, man.
joe rogan
Whitey Bulger's nephew played a role in Hunter Biden's Chinese business ventures.
Excuse me, I'm coughing here.
Mobster Whitey Bulger's nephew played a role in Hunter Biden's Chinese business ventures through emails.
unidentified
But that don't mean he's a bad guy because he's Whitey's nephew.
What did he do?
joe rogan
He's a businessman.
mike tyson
That's just what I think, okay?
That's just me, personally.
joe rogan
He has nothing to do with it.
That's not his fault.
It's his nephew.
Yeah, I mean, his nephew's not responsible for his crimes.
mike tyson
He can't help it that this is Whitey Bulger and he's my uncle.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But I think Hunter Biden knows how to party.
I'll tell you that.
mike tyson
Hey, I have mad respect for him on that party gear.
joe rogan
I mean, the dude is partying.
mike tyson
I know I probably lose some points by saying that this guy is really cool, but he seemed to be really fucking cool.
joe rogan
Well, you know, he looks like a wild motherfucker.
It's kind of funny that the...
It's always funny when a president who's like this button-down, you know, like, put-together president has a wild motherfucker as a son.
mike tyson
That's not true.
You know what happens with us?
The things that we hide all our life comes out in our children.
You can never avoid who you are.
joe rogan
Right.
I bet all the politicians were wild back in the 60s.
mike tyson
If you weren't, listen, I was told this from a guy that was a, what's the guy, Woodstock guy, he said, if you remember the 60s, you weren't there.
Yeah, you believe this guy told me that?
unidentified
That's perfect.
mike tyson
All those guys that remember the 60s, they weren't there.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Mike, we're going to do your podcast after this.
mike tyson
We are?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So we're three hours and 20 minutes, I think, into this one.
mike tyson
So what, I got to do Relevant?
joe rogan
Let's wrap this up.
Oh yeah, Relevant is this new people's app.
mike tyson
Yes.
joe rogan
And what is this?
You're involved in this?
mike tyson
Absolutely.
I'm a shareholder in this company because I was...
You know, it was canceled because I smoked weed on my show, so they canceled me.
So I got involved with this app.
joe rogan
So when you say they canceled you, like who canceled?
Like YouTube?
Is it still on YouTube?
mike tyson
Yes, yes, yes, but...
joe rogan
Is it still on YouTube?
unidentified
Hotboxing?
mike tyson
I believe there was a couple of them that were kind of skimmish because I was smoking, of course.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
mike tyson
And I believe now that I'm with Relevant, I'm able to smoke without anybody giving me any shit.
And if they don't like it, I can cancel you.
Oh, you don't like me, you'll cancel you, motherfucker.
Fuck you!
I'm canceling you!
You!
joe rogan
How does one get this Relevant app?
Is it in the App Store?
mike tyson
Absolutely.
joe rogan
It's like for iTunes and for Android, it's for all that?
mike tyson
Listen, just look for it.
They give you all the information you need.
Relevant.
joe rogan
R-E-L-E-V-N-T. Absolutely.
unidentified
Okay.
mike tyson
If you want to know more about me, you look for MikeTyson.com and you know all that stuff.
joe rogan
And so your podcast from here forward will be on that?
Is that how people can find it?
mike tyson
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
Okay.
mike tyson
Wait till you meet my staff.
I have...
joe rogan
I met a bunch of them.
mike tyson
Oh, really?
You see the young lady that's just a...
She is just...
Go get her.
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Yes.
mike tyson
It's pretty...
I won't say masculinity is what it is.
I was going to say toxic masculinity, but no, it's just masculinity.
joe rogan
It's just strength.
mike tyson
Yeah, she's strong sister.
joe rogan
And you can get...
So that app's available now.
And can you get it on YouTube still?
It's on YouTube.
mike tyson
Everything, yes.
joe rogan
So it's on everything.
Beautiful.
And you also have another cannabis line, right?
Like you stopped doing the Tyson Farms, and you moved to...
mike tyson
Tyson 2.0, and we have this soda that's coming out that's really interesting.
I'm gonna give you more information probably on my show.
joe rogan
I believe it's a nootropic.
It's like a nootropic soda.
mike tyson
It's really awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's exciting.
mike tyson
Yeah, it's really awesome.
joe rogan
And it's with Jones Soda, which is like, they make great soda.
mike tyson
Listen, and then we did Mike.
Check this out.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Tyson 2.0, our strains.
Store locator.
Look at that.
May I give testament to the veracity of your marijuana?
mike tyson
Listen, brother, thank you very much.
This is a dream come true.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm one of your biggest fans of all time.
mike tyson
I just can't believe I can't.
joe rogan
I'm always shocked when I'm sitting down talking to you.
mike tyson
I just can't believe that, you know, listen, Yes, but I'm the grace of God.
I'm just very grateful.
joe rogan
Well, I'm very grateful, too.
It's an honor to know you.
It really is.
From the time when I was a kid, no bullshit.
I was a giant fan, and you're a cool motherfucker.
mike tyson
Thank you.
I've been called worse, but you know.
joe rogan
I love you.
All right.
Thank you, everybody, and we'll see you later.
unidentified
Bye.
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