March 4, 2022 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| Good to see you, brother. | ||
| Good to see you too, dog. | ||
| We're working together for the first time this weekend. | ||
| I know, I just told you. | ||
| Yeah, I'm very excited. | ||
| I'm very excited about that. | ||
| It's a fucking great card. | ||
| Yeah, no, it really is. | ||
| Sick card. | ||
| Dubious circumstances how I got the call, so my condolences to Daniel Cormier. | ||
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Very, very unfortunate. | |
| Daniel's mom passed away. | ||
| Very, very, very unfortunate. | ||
| You know, and this is such a crazy week because the Cain Velasquez story just came out and we were having that conversation and, you know... | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| That's a heavy one. | ||
| That's the heaviest. | ||
| His four-year-old daughter was allegedly molested by this guy, and you could only imagine the rage, the fucking rage that must have been going through that man's mind. | ||
| I mean, I get it. | ||
| Apparently it was a hundred times. | ||
| I don't know how they know that, but that's what's circulating, and... | ||
| As you say, one time, when you hear that, that this potential has been going on for God knows how long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's got a little daughter, man. | ||
| She's four. | ||
| She's a tiny, little, cute, little, adorable girl. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| It's just... | ||
| And what does that do to her head, to have that happen a hundred times? | ||
| You can't erase those memories. | ||
| It's so sick. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's beyond sick. | ||
| It's beyond sick. | ||
| That guy deserves everything what Kane did. | ||
| Well, Kane actually got his father, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah, unfortunately. | ||
| Yeah, sadly. | ||
| I mean, my only wish is that he did it with his hands. | ||
| My only wish is that he just ran that car off the road, pulled that guy out of the fucking car, and beat him to death. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| And even that would have been too good for him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It would have been, you know? | ||
| It would have been, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that is a sickness. | ||
| There's like, there's certain sicknesses that people have, that human beings have. | ||
| Sicknesses of the mind. | ||
| But that one, the molesting... | ||
| Like a fucking baby. | ||
| A four-year-old's like a baby. | ||
| Molesting children is the sickest of all of those sicknesses. | ||
| And he's never going to get better. | ||
| No, I just don't think they do, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| A reformed pedophile? | ||
| Is there such a thing? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't believe so. | ||
| They say the recidivism rate is way high. | ||
| It's really high. | ||
| What is the... | ||
| Google that. | ||
| What's the recidivism rate for child molesters? | ||
| What does that mean, Joe? | ||
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Oh, sorry. | |
| Repeat offender. | ||
| Using these big words on me. | ||
| I use them wrong all the time. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Recidivism. | ||
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Recidivism? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a new one. | ||
| I've never heard that. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I don't have a bad vocabulary, but... | ||
| But that's pretty good. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| It just means you go back to your old ways. | ||
| You go back to offending. | ||
| I think it's just a legal term that they use for criminals. | ||
| It's got to be high. | ||
| I think it's very high. | ||
| I think it's like in the 90% or something like that. | ||
| Anything? | ||
| Not the right answer. | ||
| How would you know that rate anyway? | ||
| Because it's not exactly like... | ||
| Because they catch them. | ||
| They catch them again. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Right, sometimes they don't catch them. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| They're not exactly forward with that information. | ||
| It's just a sickness that's been going on since the beginning of time. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| You got something here? | ||
| I found a couple of different things. | ||
| This might be the best answer there. | ||
| Let's just say sex offenders, though. | ||
| Sex offenders could be rape. | ||
| It could be anything. | ||
| I know a guy who got charged with a sex offense crime because he was taking a leak outside. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was taking a piss outside and the cops pulled him over. | ||
| Indecent exposure? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And so he had to be registered as a sex offender. | ||
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Oh, no way! | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I mean, who hasn't had a piss outside? | ||
| And it was like in Indiana or some shit like that and the cops were just cunts. | ||
| I remember when I first moved here. | ||
| We went to a nightclub back in the days when I would go to a nightclub and I got out of the car and I was dying for a piss. | ||
| You know when you've had a few drinks? | ||
| And I'm in a car park. | ||
| So I just take a little leak against the wall and my buddy's like, Mike, what are you doing? | ||
| You can't do that here. | ||
| You're not in Manchester. | ||
| I'm like, well, we don't piss everywhere in Manchester either. | ||
| What do you think we are? | ||
| Fucking dogs? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| But I need to piss and I've had a few beers. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| It reminds me of a nightmare I had recently. | ||
| I had a nightmare recently that I had to pee so bad that I pissed in a restaurant on the floor and I was hoping nobody noticed. | ||
| It was the craziest dream. | ||
| I'm just remembering it now. | ||
| I feel like I got caught in the dream and I had to pinch it off real quick, but I was trying to piss on the floor in a restaurant somewhere. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Decipher that. | ||
| Yeah, well, aside for this one, I have a lot of night terrors, which is like extreme dreams, I'm assuming. | ||
| And I just wake up in the night screaming and doing crazy stuff. | ||
| A couple of years ago, last time my wife's brother and his entire family came, they were all staying at my house, it's Christmas morning. | ||
| And I had one of my episodes, I don't know why, I jumped out of bed, Christmas morning, like 5.30am, and I always sleep naked, so I'm completely naked. | ||
| I jumped out of bed, and my wife, because I was still asleep, so I didn't know I did it. | ||
| I ran out of the bedroom, ran down the stairs, right, obviously thought someone was trying to kill me in my dream, fell down the stairs, got up, ran out of the house, Came to on the next door neighbour's wall, completely naked. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I'd cut all my feet and everything up because I was climbing over the walls naked. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
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My wife's brother's family were like, this guy's a fucking maniac. | |
| What is he doing? | ||
| I came to, I was sitting on the wall, I'm like, wow, that was a crazy one. | ||
| I have a good friend of mine, her brother, they were on vacation and their brother has night terrors and he ran out of the hotel room and ran through, you know they have those glass railings in hotels, on the second floor, ran through the glass and fell to the second floor and now he's paralyzed. | ||
| I was in Cancun last year, same thing, because we were up real high. | ||
| And every night I locked the doors. | ||
| To keep yourself from doing that? | ||
| Yeah, because I said to my wife, I said, what if I run out there in the middle of the fucking night and we're 20 floors up? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| How often have you, I mean, how long has this been going on? | ||
| Ever since I was, the first one I had, I went to Switzerland with the Boy Scouts when I was like 9 or 10 years old. | ||
| Yeah, that was the first one. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Do you remember the dreams? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| A lot of the time, I have no idea they've even happened. | ||
| My wife tells me the next day. | ||
| And she's so used to it by now. | ||
| But imagine living with you. | ||
| Imagine her. | ||
| She's living with a former UFC middleweight champion of the world. | ||
| So you're a fucking savage already. | ||
| And she's got to make sure that you don't wake up in the middle of the night and think you're in a fight for your life. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| I remember one night. | ||
| I remember this one. | ||
| The ceiling fan, I thought the ceiling fan was going to come down and chop us up. | ||
| And she's fast asleep. | ||
| And I grab her and I throw her against the wall. | ||
| You know, she's only a little thing. | ||
| And then she's on the floor. | ||
| She's like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, babe. | ||
| I thought the fan was going to chop us up. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| I wish I was exaggerating. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Zero exaggeration to this story right now. | ||
| And do you remember it when you're waking up? | ||
| Like after you threw it to the ground? | ||
| Ever so slightly. | ||
| Very vaguely. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| The dream walking thing is strange. | ||
| It is. | ||
| People do it. | ||
| They just walk right up to you and just start talking. | ||
| You're like, hey man, are you awake? | ||
| And you realize, like, oh, he's not even awake. | ||
| Like, hey, go back to bed. | ||
| Yeah, go back to bed. | ||
| Yeah, they say don't wake him, but why not? | ||
| Wake me. | ||
| Wake the fuck up. | ||
| Especially if I'm fucking naked on top of the neighbor's fence. | ||
| Wake me up. | ||
| Here's the question. | ||
| What would wake you? | ||
| If being naked, running down the stairs, climbing a fence, that doesn't wake you up, what's going to wake you up? | ||
| A bucket of cold water. | ||
| If you see me running down the street, Joe, totally naked. | ||
| But I gotta get a bucket. | ||
| I gotta chase you. | ||
| Slap me. | ||
| The cold water. | ||
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Kick me. | |
| Do something. | ||
| Speaking of which, I can't believe that you can run on these artificial knees now. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I mean... | |
| Do that thing where you showed me. | ||
| You tap it. | ||
| Do it so the microphone can hear it. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Let's have a look. | ||
| Listen to his knee. | ||
| This is the artificial knee. | ||
| That's both. | ||
| That one doesn't do it as well. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So you had them replaced? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what did they do? | ||
| Did they cut the top of the knee off and put a new thing and screw it in? | ||
| They do it a few different ways, like resurfacing and sometimes they have to, the joints, like I have a friend, his joint was disformed. | ||
| Because he had gone without cartilage for so long, bone on bone, that the bones started getting spurs. | ||
| They had to cut his open. | ||
| Yeah, essentially, so they cut the leg open, obviously. | ||
| Remove the entire knee, shave down the femur, shave down the tibia and the fibula, put in a whole new knee, attach the tendons, staple you up, and off you pop. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then, oh, the recovery's awful. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| I mean, my legs swelled up to about this size. | ||
| And then that was my left knee, which gave me problems ever since I trained with George St. Pierre in 2005. I tore my PCL. So it was just one thing after the other, you know, wear and tear. | ||
| But my right knee had never bothered me once. | ||
| Never any issue whatsoever until I had the left knee replaced. | ||
| And then as soon as that healed, I started having pain in my right knee. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they said, yeah, you need that one replaced as well. | ||
| I'm like, I've never felt any pain. | ||
| They went, well, that's crazy because that needs shot as well. | ||
| So yeah, had them both done. | ||
| Best thing I ever did. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's weird. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's a weird sensation. | ||
| Even now, if I go on my knees, it's not pain, but it's just a very strange, I mean, they're still numb, you know, so there's no feeling there. | ||
| So doing jujitsu, you know. | ||
| So you're training again. | ||
| I was going to say, doing jujitsu is an issue. | ||
| I don't do it very often. | ||
| Because I imagine if someone gets you in a heel hook... | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| Would you feel it? | ||
| Oh, for sure, yeah. | ||
| You'd feel it in the tendons? | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Nobody's done that yet. | ||
| Like, do they replace your ACL? Do you have an ACL at all? | ||
| Or is it just the artificial knee? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I never asked. | ||
| I never asked. | ||
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That's hilarious! | |
| Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm not concerned with it, just do it. | ||
| Yeah, Joey Diaz had one of his replaced, and he said, he started doing jujitsu too, but he said sometimes someone will move him funny and it'll pop out a socket. | ||
| Ooh, no, no, there's nothing like that goes on. | ||
| But it pops back in place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I mean, he might have, like, lax tendons or something, I'm just guessing. | ||
| Yeah, so I said to the doctor, I said, is it fine to run? | ||
| And he said, yeah, well, I screwed them in extra tight. | ||
| So you're good to run? | ||
| I'm like, wouldn't you screw them in extra tight anyway? | ||
| I'm like, oh, this guy likes to run. | ||
| Well, just give that a couple more fucking turns. | ||
| I'm like, what are we fixing a door here? | ||
| You screwed them in tight? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that would be something you do every fucking time. | ||
| Get it as tight as possible! | ||
| My mom's trying to avoid one right now. | ||
| She's had some real pain in one of her knees, and I sent her down to Panama to a stem cell clinic, and that helped a lot. | ||
| That killed all the pain. | ||
| She went down there, and six months later, she was real concerned because it was like six months, and there was no improvement. | ||
| She's like, I don't think it worked on me. | ||
| And then after six months, the pain went away, and then it slowly got better. | ||
| So I've sent her down there a second time, and I'd like to keep her going. | ||
| I'll try to avoid... | ||
| Because the thing about it when you're older, too, she's like 75. You know, when you're older, you don't heal good, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| I imagine if it's rough for you, what's it going to be like for my mom? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I'm trying to do the same thing with my mom. | ||
| She had polio when she was a kid. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Well, she can't walk now. | ||
| You know, because she broke her hip. | ||
| She always had a terrible limp, but then she fell over and broke her hip, and it just hasn't healed right. | ||
| But they say, the doctors in England said, they can't operate because the bones are too soft. | ||
| But the guy that did my knee replacement, he said, that's bullshit. | ||
| He said, we operate on porous bones all the time. | ||
| So I'm trying to get her to come out here so we can do something with her, but... | ||
| I've got to get her on a plane first. | ||
| She's almost 80. She didn't want to leave the house, let alone fly to England to have an operation. | ||
| Sorry, fly to the States to have an operation. | ||
| A friend of mine was telling me about his dad who got a hip replacement, and he said he almost wished his dad didn't get it. | ||
| He goes, because yes, his dad was in pain before the hip replacement, he goes, but his dad is so frail after the surgery, because he was close to 82 as well, and I think that when, you know, the surgery itself, which is so, I mean, they saw the top of your femur off, and they... | ||
| It's a lot going on, and it was so traumatic that he never really fully recovered, and he's been way worse since then. | ||
| Because just the surgery, that's one thing that people have to take into consideration. | ||
| It's like, your body's got to recover from that. | ||
| It takes a long-ass time. | ||
| I said to my doctor, the day I had the knee replacement, I was leaving, I said, when do you think I can move again, you know, be walking about? | ||
| He said, oh, you can do a Peloton class today. | ||
| He was fucking so full of shit. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I couldn't move my leg forever. | ||
| He said, oh, you'll be able to do a Peloton class today if you want. | ||
| Yeah, and then part of the rehab when they were coming was just trying to, because I had a peloton bike right there, just to try and do one rotation on it. | ||
| But that took months, or a few weeks, should I say. | ||
| Wait a minute, I saw you in a hospital gown trying to do a jumping front kick right after you got out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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Well, you know, Percocet's a really strong drug. | |
| You know, what can I tell you? | ||
| It's nice though that there's something that they could do that leaves pain because I have some friends that have some fucking really bad knees and when you see them like get up off the couch and walk and you know it's just sharp pain, sharp pain, sharp pain, every step and they just have to tolerate it and so they're always on edge. | ||
| They're always like, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| You know, because they're just fucking in agony. | ||
| I know the feeling. | ||
| I've lived my life in agony for years. | ||
| I tell Matt Serra all the time, because his knees are the same way. | ||
| His knees are fucked too? | ||
| He always asks me, he says, Mike, what do you think? | ||
| Knee replacement? | ||
| Yes or no? | ||
| I'm like, do it. | ||
| Best thing I ever did. | ||
| Best thing I ever did. | ||
| He looks normal. | ||
| He's walking around normal. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's in pain. | ||
| Is he just in pain every time he walks? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the thing about jiu-jitsu guys, or fighters. | ||
| How many fucking guys are just constantly walking around in pain? | ||
| You know? | ||
| I was in pain, a lot of pain, a lot of pain towards the end. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| If you like it, I mean, especially if that's what you do for a living, it's just part, who the fuck, no one rides for free. | ||
| Nobody gets out of your business, and in the end of the day, you're 100%. | ||
| You just kind of resign yourself to that. | ||
| You know, people ask me, you know, I mean, I have no regrets. | ||
| I mean, the knees are the tip of the iceberg. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I've got one eye. | ||
| I had to have my nose rebuilt. | ||
| They took my ribs and rebuilt that. | ||
| What else? | ||
| My neck. | ||
| I had neck surgery last year. | ||
| I've got to have two more plates put in, two discs taken out. | ||
| What are they doing to your neck? | ||
| Remember years ago, we were talking about it. | ||
| Yeah, you had a bulging disc. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| Atrophying your arm, right? | ||
| Correct, yeah. | ||
| It still does that. | ||
| So they went in through my throat, sliced me open there, pushed my throat to the side, took a disc out, put a titanium plate in and four screws. | ||
| Was this why you were still fighting? | ||
| No, this was last year. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Last year, yeah. | ||
| So you got one of them articulating discs in there. | ||
| Yeah, something. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I'm still in pain. | ||
| Still in pain. | ||
| They've got to do it two more times. | ||
| I said to the doctor, because that terrified me, just the thought of coming through the throat and messing with the spine. | ||
| You know, that's scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I put it off for years. | ||
| And in the end, I just couldn't take the pain anymore. | ||
| But I said, if I do this, he's going to take care of this. | ||
| He said, yeah, I guarantee you, 100%. | ||
| And yeah, I've got to have it done two more times. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| So two more separate operations or one operation? | ||
| I'm hoping one. | ||
| And I said, can you go through the same scar? | ||
| Because I don't want slashes all over my neck. | ||
| People already see me running down the street naked, fucking half asleep. | ||
| I don't need slashes on my neck as well to go with it. | ||
| Lock that man up. | ||
| They said, maybe. | ||
| We'll see how the scar tissue is. | ||
| Sometimes that can be an issue. | ||
| The first guy that I knew that had that done was Braulio Estima. | ||
| He had these fake discs put in his neck. | ||
| I've always had neck problems, too. | ||
| Everybody that does jujitsu has neck problems. | ||
| I've always asked him, I'm like, how you doing now? | ||
| He's like, well, I had to get another one. | ||
| So he had another one done. | ||
| So he's had two fake discs in his neck, and then he's also got some other pain from the other. | ||
| The problem is the other discs that are connected to the disc that was an issue, they start becoming a problem. | ||
| The next one down becomes a problem. | ||
| Eddie Bravo has one too. | ||
| He's got a fake one in his lower back. | ||
| Yeah, oh well. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, for some people it works great. | ||
| I mean, I do know one dude who did it and he never felt pain again. | ||
| He had it fixed in his lower back. | ||
| He's got no problem. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I had no pain for a while, but slowly but surely started creeping back. | ||
| But you're not doing jiu-jitsu, right? | ||
| No, I don't do much other than run and lift weights at the minute. | ||
| I want to. | ||
| I mean, I hit the bag a bit. | ||
| I want to do jujitsu. | ||
| I actually had somebody ask me if I'd do a... | ||
| They're putting on some kind of event at the... | ||
| Somewhere in Vegas. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Some old arena. | ||
| They used to do fights. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| Anyway, they're putting on a jujitsu event. | ||
| They want you to compete. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I said, oh. | ||
| I said, I'm kind of interested. | ||
| It'll give me something to train for. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Something to do, you know, rather than just running through the hills, talking to myself naked. | ||
| So I thought, I kind of fancy this, but he never reached out. | ||
| He took my email address, but... | ||
| How much time do you think you'd have to train to prepare for a jiu-jitsu match? | ||
| A while, I think. | ||
| I haven't rolled in quite some time. | ||
| Last time I rolled, I bent my finger 90 degrees to the side. | ||
| I thought, fuck this. | ||
| This is why I haven't rolled for a while. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a rough business. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We were saying just before, my son, he's a wrestler. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| That's his life. | ||
| And it's such a great sport. | ||
| What they've done with my son, the wrestling coaches, it's amazing. | ||
| Really molded him into a great young man. | ||
| Yeah, it's been cool watching him on Instagram. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's nice watching, you know, a son of a champion, you know, get into combat sports himself. | ||
| Yeah, well, I don't think he wants to fight. | ||
| People ask that all the time. | ||
| I don't think he wants to fight. | ||
| I mean, I say I fought so he doesn't have to, you know. | ||
| But if he wanted to, of course, I would support him. | ||
| But yeah, he's had a lot of knee problems as well. | ||
| And then sadly, they took his meniscus out, as I said. | ||
| Made it back for the end of the season, went to regionals, first takedown his shot, got the takedown, but blew his ACL out on his good knee. | ||
| So he's very depressed right now. | ||
| He's a young guy, and they can replace your meniscus when you're young. | ||
| They do cadaver meniscus grafts, and apparently on young people it's pretty effective. | ||
| But there's another thing that we've talked about on this podcast, because I had the guy on. | ||
| He's got an Instagram page, I don't know if you've ever seen it, it's called Knee Over Toes Guy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I've been doing that for about seven months now and it's completely changed my knees. | ||
| All the pain that I had on my knees is gone. | ||
| My knees are so much stronger than they've ever been before. | ||
| It's funny you mention that because that's exactly what Callum, my son, was talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He'd been recommended it. | ||
| And I said, I think I've heard Joe Rogan talking about that. | ||
| And then a lot of people on Twitter, you need to follow knees over toes. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I haven't done it yet. | ||
| Mike, it's incredible. | ||
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Really? | |
| It's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, I recommend it to everybody. | ||
| I mean, even with your fake knees, it's like it's going to strengthen all the muscles around the knees that stabilize the knee. | ||
| One of the things that he does, it's like the primary exercise, is walking backwards with a sled. | ||
| So I load the sled up with weight, I attach it to my hip with a hip belt, And I drag this sled, but just pushing backwards. | ||
| And I do it every workout now. | ||
| He was doing it every... | ||
| I was doing it one time. | ||
| I was only doing it like... | ||
| So here's this gentleman doing it here. | ||
| So he's pushing back. | ||
| You're on your toes. | ||
| And it just completely changes the way your knees feel. | ||
| It pushes all the blood into them, but it strengthens them. | ||
| Because it's an unusual way of exercising with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I'll say. | ||
| I used to do stuff like that in strength and conditioning. | ||
| The walking backwards thing, though, for the knees is phenomenal. | ||
| See, that's what they say. | ||
| That's the number one bang for your buck for knee longevity. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If only I knew this 10 years ago. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I just found out about it pretty recently. | ||
| Jamie's actually the one who told me about it. | ||
| He was explaining to me because he knows I've had a gang of knee problems too. | ||
| But this is a game changer. | ||
| That and I do a lot of split squats and I do a bunch of different exercises like tibia raises like with weight. | ||
| You know, that strengthen the muscles on the side of your shins, the tibia muscles. | ||
| And I do a lot of different things that this knee over toes guy recommends. | ||
| Yeah, I'm just laughing to myself that I definitely skipped leg day. | ||
| I've got to work on that, yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the way to strengthen all the shit around your knee to keep your knee stable. | ||
| No, I know, I know, I know. | ||
| So many of us don't do that. | ||
| I mean, if you're training martial arts, most of the time you're just doing the training and maybe you're doing some strength and conditioning, but you don't specifically work on muscle groups to strengthen joints. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this guy had a gang of knee surgeries and real problems when he was in high school and college. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I always say every week I'm going to do more legs. | ||
| That's it this week. | ||
| I'm going to definitely do more legs and I'm trying to do more functional workouts. | ||
| But then you get busy and whatnot, you know what I mean? | ||
| I like to start my day with a run and I go in and lift weights. | ||
| I know you shouldn't do them together. | ||
| You should do cardio first and then have a break and lift weights. | ||
| I'm like, fuck it. | ||
| I just got to squeeze it all in. | ||
| I've got things to do and somehow don't find myself doing the squats. | ||
| I don't know why that is. | ||
| In fact, I do know why. | ||
| It's because every time I do it, I fall onto the toilet as opposed to sitting onto it. | ||
| And I know. | ||
| I know the drill. | ||
| Well, at least you didn't get heavy. | ||
| A lot of guys, when they retire, they get heavy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's a battle. | ||
| The Prince Nassim Ahmed look. | ||
| He's a big boy these days. | ||
| He's a big fella. | ||
| Yeah, it's a constant battle, though. | ||
| It's a constant battle. | ||
| Well, a lot of fighters, you know, when they're fighting and training, and then when they don't have to anymore, like, they can't wait just not have to do that anymore. | ||
| Well, no, that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I used to do a lot of the kind of stuff you were just talking about. | ||
| I'm kind of over it now, you know. | ||
| Yeah, it gets tiresome. | ||
| It's a hard life, but at the end of the day, a guy like you, you get to sit back and say, I was the fucking middleweight champion of the world. | ||
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| That's real. | ||
| Yeah, no, it is. | ||
| Nobody can take that from you. | ||
| No. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| It is nice, and it definitely made a change, I guess, in my life, because it kind of... | ||
| Validated everything, you know? | ||
| But that's not really why I did it, you know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, yeah, of course, everybody wants to be the champ. | ||
| If you're going to compete in any sport, then, of course, you want to be as good as you can be. | ||
| But I was just trying to make some money, you know? | ||
| But, of course, the two, they go hand in hand, because if you become the champ, then you make more money, you know? | ||
| Like, when I got involved with this, it was too... | ||
| My plan was to make enough money so I could go to college and then hopefully get a proper job, you know? | ||
| So it kind of exceeded all those expectations by far. | ||
| So that was when you were in your early 20s? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When I left school and then, you know, dead-end job after dead-end job. | ||
| You come to find out there's not much call for unqualified 16-year-olds. | ||
| Did you win Ultimate Fighter Season 3? | ||
| Three. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's like 30 seasons now. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Sometimes, like, you know, I will be looking at a video, like getting ready for a fight, watching a guy who's going to compete, and they're like, oh, he won the Ultimate Fighter season 27. I was like, what? | ||
| And that's probably five, six years ago. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy how many seasons there have been and how much talent's come from there. | ||
| And then on top of that, you got the Contender Series. | ||
| How much talent's coming out of that. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| The fucking level now, man. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Some of these guys like that, you know, like Hamzat. | ||
| Look at that guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, what the fuck, man? | ||
| Hey, and you want to hear what I hear. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| With the training sessions? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's right here too. | ||
| He's over, because Darren Till's there right now at All-Stars in Sweden. | ||
| What'd Darren tell you? | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| He's just an absolute animal. | ||
| Non-stop, in every way. | ||
| Striking, wrestling, conditioning. | ||
| Apparently, you know, because all his fights have finished real quick. | ||
| So he's never had to show that side of things. | ||
| But apparently his conditioning is like nothing you've ever seen as well. | ||
| Well, you see the training footage and you see the intensity that this guy pursues everything with. | ||
| He's only been striking for a few years. | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| When you see the way he knocked out Mirchart, you're like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's a nice right hand. | ||
| Beautiful, perfect. | ||
| And there's another video of him when he was younger where he knocked a guy out with an uppercut. | ||
| Did you ever see that video? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| It's like one of the best uppercut KOs I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| He just made a reed, perfectly placed, stepped in, just flatlined the guy with an uppercut. | ||
| I mean, Gilbert Burns is gonna be a tough fight for him. | ||
| Oh, is this it? | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I mean, that's a perfect read. | ||
| And he stepped off as well, so he was away from the counter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's not just throwing a punch. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's defensively correct as well. | ||
| He's doing everything. | ||
| And that guy's asleep. | ||
| Yeah, out cold. | ||
| One shot. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's doing things technically and he's doing things hyper-aggressively at the same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an unusual dude. | ||
| It's a very unusual dude. | ||
| Those Chechens, man. | ||
| They're some fierce fucking human beings. | ||
| I heard some stories about that as well, which I'm not going to go into. | ||
| It's a hard place. | ||
| It's a very hard place. | ||
| Apparently there's a lot of craziness going on there right now. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With the Ukraine situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Nothing to do with that, sadly. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| Oh, there's more on top of that. | ||
| Yeah, apparently so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't follow too much of what's going on in that world, but I do know that it's a war-torn place. | ||
| And when I saw this, there was a documentary that somebody put out, a small piece, like a 20-minute one on Hamzat and his past and interviewing him and talking about his childhood. | ||
| That's how you make a person like that. | ||
| Oh, that's it. | ||
| I mean, he comes from a tough place. | ||
| From a tough place, you're going to create tough men. | ||
| I mean, look at him. | ||
| The guy's an absolute animal. | ||
| And that's why he trains so hard. | ||
| That guy has, I think, how many fights does he have in the UFC now? | ||
| Is it four? | ||
| He's been hit twice. | ||
| Yeah, and one of them, one significant strike he's taken was just trying to punch off the guy choking him out. | ||
| That's not a significant strike. | ||
| That doesn't even count. | ||
| That's a defensive... | ||
| Get off me! | ||
| I'm about to go unconscious. | ||
| Yeah, that literally doesn't count. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think that should count as a strike. | ||
| Like, strikes landed like this? | ||
| And then what he did to... | ||
| Yeah, no, that's not a punch. | ||
| That's not something we teach. | ||
| You can knock a guy out from your guard. | ||
| I've seen guys... | ||
| Uriah Hall did that. | ||
| Uriah Hall had a guy in his guard and he cracked the guy like this from the guard and rolled him over and finished him. | ||
| Jacare? | ||
| Kevin Holland? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Kevin Holland stopped him from the bottom. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Kevin Holland cracked though. | ||
| He's going to be fighting 170 this weekend. | ||
| This weekend. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Yeah, it's Cowboy Oliveira. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| Because he's... | ||
| You know, maybe a little undersized for 85 when you see a lot of these guys that do cut a ton of weight, like the big guys like Pereira, Michele Pereira, that guy's huge. | ||
| Yeah, he said he was only about 180, I think. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, when he was fighting at middleweight. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Because I spoke to him on Wednesday, yesterday, and he said, yeah, about 180 he would rock up at the fights on, so he wasn't cutting much weight, so making 170 is easy for him. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| I had him on the podcast and Travis Luter, his coach. | ||
| And Travis said, I've never seen anybody like him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He said he learned so fast. | ||
| He goes, he's such a special talent. | ||
| And he's just got ridiculous power. | ||
| Remember when he knocked out Joaquin Buckley? | ||
| He told him that he had a booger on his nose. | ||
| I didn't see that one. | ||
| He told me he had a booger on his nose and then he flatlined him. | ||
| I don't recall that. | ||
| Why haven't I seen that? | ||
| I must have seen that. | ||
| It was before Buckley's highlight, that crazy jump back spinning kick. | ||
| He pointed to him. | ||
| He goes, you got a booger on your nose, man. | ||
| I've heard of that, but I can't think of the knockout off the top of my head. | ||
| And then, boom, hits him with a straight right hand and flatlines him. | ||
| Nice, nice. | ||
| He's fun. | ||
| He's fun. | ||
| Yeah, it's gonna be a good fight this weekend. | ||
| He's wild. | ||
| He's talented and wild, and you know, he has a hole in his game, and the hole in his game is wrestling. | ||
| But I think that hole will be less when he's fighting guys that are more his size. | ||
| Wrestling, and he just gets a little carried away, a little too excited. | ||
| He's off balance at times, you know, but... | ||
| So it's a learning process. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| It points the way it points to him. | ||
| Like, as they're standing there, I think he's got a circle around where his back is against us. | ||
| See, here it goes. | ||
| Look. | ||
| You got a bug on your nose. | ||
| That's what I love about him. | ||
| He's always talking. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Oh, what a shot. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's serious power, man, because Buckley is fucking tough. | ||
| And, you know, he had that Razak Alhassan fight, super close fight last weekend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great, great fight. | ||
| And, you know, Alhassan can fucking crack. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I mean, that dude is strong. | ||
| Pure knockout power. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And so the fact that Holland was able to take him out with one shot like that is insanely impressive. | ||
| Well, tall, skinnier guys, leaner guys, you think they're not going to have much power, but they have a tremendous frame for it. | ||
| And if you know how to use it and use the angles and use that frame to torque and the rotation. | ||
| Tommy Hearns. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I used to train with this guy back in England and he was tall and skinny as hell. | ||
| Oh God, what a nightmare he was. | ||
| Fucking nightmare. | ||
| Skinny guy, be careful. | ||
| Dealing with the reach of tall guys. | ||
| That's why guys like Rockhold at 85, he was always a nightmare because he was so big at 85 and had such a long reach. | ||
| Yeah, he was huge. | ||
| Poor old Luke. | ||
| Is he coming back? | ||
| Like, I keep hearing he's going to, and he's training. | ||
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Paolo Costa. | |
| He's calling out Paolo Costa, which I think would be a great fight for him. | ||
| Because... | ||
| That's a big jump. | ||
| Let's jump right back into the deep waters. | ||
| Deep end. | ||
| Straight back in, which I have to respect. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta respect it. | ||
| But that's what I expect from a guy like Luke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because, you know, a lot of people like to talk shit about him now or laugh at him or whatever. | ||
| Well, you used to. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I did. | ||
| But that was a long time ago. | ||
| That was 2016. That was six years ago, Joe. | ||
| Well, you had to. | ||
| You fought him once, he beat you, and then you knocked him out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you won the title from him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's like you're even. | ||
| Yeah, no, exactly. | ||
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I guess. | |
| You're kind of a little ahead. | ||
| I'm ahead. | ||
| I'm ahead for sure. | ||
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You're ahead. | |
| I know, I know. | ||
| You got him the last time. | ||
| I got him the last time. | ||
| I did, I did. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean, he got knocked out of me, Jan, and... | ||
| The Jan one was rough. | ||
| Yoel Romero. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No shame in those. | ||
| Yoel was rough. | ||
| And then Yoel kisses him afterwards. | ||
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I know. | |
| I love you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And gives him a kiss. | ||
| And he's like, excuse me, can you not? | ||
| I've just been unconscious. | ||
| I don't know where I'm at right now. | ||
| Can you... | ||
| Stop kissing me, please. | ||
| Yo, Elwin, you know, when he first came to the UFC, I remember thinking, how the fuck is that guy 185 pounds? | ||
| How is that even possible? | ||
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Same here. | |
| I was like, holy shit, look at the size of this guy. | ||
| Even when he would weigh in, I'd be like, there's something wrong with the scale. | ||
| Because I weighed, at the time, I weighed like 195. I'm like, how is that possible? | ||
| How am I 10 pounds heavier than this guy? | ||
| What do you weigh right now, Joe? | ||
| Same, like 195. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| He's a freak. | ||
| And then he came in here once with Joey Diaz and he was in between fights and he was probably 230. Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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Fucking huge. | |
| Doesn't surprise me. | ||
| Fucking huge. | ||
| Just gigantic. | ||
| Because there's no foul on him when he's in five shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did I ever tell you what happened with him in Australia? | ||
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No. | |
| He went to Australia, right? | ||
| Has a fight. | ||
| I forget who the fight was, but he had a cracked orbital. | ||
| So he, they send him, the UFC sends him to the doctor. | ||
| The doctor examines him and then talks to the UFC on the phone and says, where did you find this guy? | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, and he goes, he's amazing, right? | ||
| He goes, no, no, no, you don't understand. | ||
| He goes, I've been studying human beings. | ||
| I've been working on people. | ||
| I've been operating on people for 50 years. | ||
| He goes, I've never seen a human like him. | ||
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Really? | |
| The tendons in his eyes are three times thicker than a normal person's. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| He said his eye, the orbital bone, was already healing by the time he got to me. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| He's just a freak. | ||
| Yeah, a freak of nature. | ||
| A freak of nature, maybe. | ||
| But you also got to wonder, he came out of that Cuban sports program? | ||
| Like, who the fuck knows what kind of experiments they were doing? | ||
| Like, think about that. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Because he's young enough that it was recent enough that they were experimenting with all sorts of different anabolic steroids and performance enhancing drugs and human growth hormone in children and all kinds of stuff that they were doing to try to enhance their Were they actually doing that? | ||
| The Soviets did it for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| A lot of the Eastern Bloc countries did it. | ||
| And Cuba has always been connected to the Soviet Union in one way, shape, or form. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's an outlandish statement. | ||
| So I don't want to sit here and say that because- I didn't say it for a definite, but who the fuck knows? | ||
| Bisping's just hating on Romero again. | ||
| He's taking away all his credibility by saying he was injected with human growth hormone as a baby. | ||
| Look, it could be something way more simple, like he had an elite athlete father, an elite athlete mother, and that's how he is. | ||
| I mean, there are people that are just blessed genetically. | ||
| It could be that. | ||
| But you know the story of Alexander Carellin, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Alexander Carellin, who is probably one of the greatest wrestlers, if not the greatest wrestler of all time. | ||
| You know who he is? | ||
| No, I have no idea. | ||
| You want to see a bad motherfucker. | ||
| This guy was so terrifying. | ||
| He only lost once to Rulon Gardner. | ||
| And the way he lost, it was Greco-Roman. | ||
| It was a different time. | ||
| They had changed the rules. | ||
| And because he had separated his hands, separated his grip, it counted as one point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's the way Rulon beat him. | ||
| He beat him by one point. | ||
| Okay, so a technicality. | ||
| Yeah, and he was at the end of his career. | ||
| He'd been wrestling forever, but he would pick guys up. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| That's Corellin. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He was like 300 pounds, and I think he was somewhere around 6'4", 6'5", built like a fucking giant panther. | ||
| And would hoist guys up in the air like that. | ||
| That was his move. | ||
| Like, guys would flatten themselves out to try to avoid being taken down. | ||
| Like, flatten down on their stomach. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen it. | ||
| And his move would get his hands under their gut and hoist these 350-pound men in the air. | ||
| I've seen people do that. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Watch him do it. | ||
| Because when he would do it, see if he gets a video of Corellon. | ||
| But he's widely regarded as one of the most impressive wrestlers of all time. | ||
| See if you have highlights. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So watch, he would do this. | ||
| And this is when he was 21 years old. | ||
| At the 1989 World Game. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at the size of this motherfucker. | ||
| And everybody was afraid because you would go for a ride like that. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And he would just slam you to the ground. | ||
| I mean, that's not wrestling at that point. | ||
| That's just, come here! | ||
| He's just fucking you up. | ||
| Get over here! | ||
| I mean, it's a crazy, like, loophole in the rules. | ||
| Like, he's able to get his hands underneath you and just keep dumping you. | ||
| I mean, he's basically beating you up with the ground. | ||
| Yeah, no, sure. | ||
| Smashing you into the ground. | ||
| And everybody's terrified of him. | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| Look at the build on that motherfucker. | ||
| Just enormous, super fluid athlete. | ||
| The way he moved, like flexible and just a full range of motion. | ||
| Not stiff at all. | ||
| Like a giant panther. | ||
| Did you see on the opposite end of the spectrum, that wrestler last week, he's got no legs or one leg. | ||
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| And he won a state championship. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| My son's feeling sorry for himself because he blew out his ACL. I'm like... | ||
| This guy's got no legs! | ||
| Suck it up, buttercup! | ||
| What's your fucking problem? | ||
| How do you wrestle that guy, though? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| How do you take him down? | ||
| He's already down. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm not making jokes at his expense. | ||
| No, not at his expense, but look, it's always amazing when someone finds a way, right? | ||
| When someone who has a handicap like that finds a way It's incredible. | ||
| To utilize what they have and then excels and succeeds. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| I mean, talk about an inspiration. | ||
| And you have to think, when you look at the other wrestler, if they're the same weight, the guy must have... | ||
| The thickness and the strength. | ||
| The upper body strength must be off the charts. | ||
| He's moving himself around constantly just with his arms. | ||
| Because when that guy, that child part of me, or that young man, should I say, was born... | ||
| His parents weren't thinking this guy's gonna be a wrestler one day. | ||
| And now look at him, winning a state championship. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's just incredible. | ||
| Talk about... | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| Spirit is unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, it really is amazing. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Do you remember there was that guy that was fighting in the PFL that had one arm? | ||
| Oh yeah, Nick Newell. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Nick Newell. | ||
| He fought on The Contender as well. | ||
| That always pissed me off. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't mean Nick Newell fighting with one hand pissed me off, but how can you fight with one hand, but you can't fight with one eye? | ||
| They told you you can't fight? | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| You can't fight with one eye. | ||
| I always wanted to ask you this. | ||
| When was your vision first compromised? | ||
| It was after the Vitor fight, right? | ||
| It was the Vitor fight that did it, and I slowly started getting our symptoms. | ||
| I was doing this a lot in restaurants. | ||
| You know, restaurants are dark, some of them. | ||
| I was doing this, you know, and my friends would be like, oh, he's doing that thing again with his hands. | ||
| I'm like, can you see your hand there if you do that? | ||
| So the people are just listening, you have your hand next to your face, and you're like moving your fingers around, and you couldn't see it? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And then by the end, it was like right in front of me there, and I couldn't see. | ||
| and it was at that point I called the doctor but I fought Alan Belcher after the Vito Belfort fight and then as I say as this was getting worse and worse and worse I called the doctor and said yeah you got a detached wetener they fixed that it redetached I got glaucoma it was just bad luck one thing after the other anything that could go wrong with an eye went wrong yeah How did you get to the point where you're fighting GSP? How did you pass this test? | ||
| With great difficulty. | ||
| Lying, cheating, bullshit codes. | ||
| I fucking lied to so many doctors. | ||
| I went to England. | ||
| I was doing some work for BT Sport at the time. | ||
| Dana was trying to help me out because it looked like I wasn't going to be fighting. | ||
| So I went over there doing some work for BT Sport. | ||
| And I was talking about fighting again. | ||
| And they said, well, we want to take you to a doctor of our choice. | ||
| So I said, alright, cool, whatever. | ||
| And I'm shitting my pants, you know. | ||
| And I had to do this test where you look into this thing and there's all these lights, you know, and you push a button when you see the light pop up. | ||
| And I just fucking guessed it. | ||
| I just fucking guessed it. | ||
| You just guessed it? | ||
| I guessed it and I passed. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then there was another one. | ||
| They took me to see another doctor. | ||
| And I went in and this doctor was an old Indian guy. | ||
| Lovely, sweet man. | ||
| And there was a guy in there like an old war veteran who could hardly walk like about a hundred and something years old. | ||
| Very eccentric old gentleman. | ||
| And this doctor says, I'm just going to walk this man to the car, go into my office, make yourself at home. | ||
| I'm like, fucking get in, because I walked in and the eye test was there. | ||
| It was an old school one. | ||
| It wasn't a digital one. | ||
| It was like a triangle, you know, three sides to it. | ||
| And all you've got to pass is, you've got to have 2200 vision to pass, which is still clinically blind. | ||
| But on an eye test, it's the big one at the top, and then the two underneath, it's still pretty big. | ||
| So I'm like, okay. | ||
| D, B, E. Spin it around. | ||
| C, D, E. So I remembered all three. | ||
| And the doctor doesn't know that I'm trying to cheat the test. | ||
| He thinks I'm fucking trying to check on my vision like a normal person. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So he covers up my bad eye first. | ||
| And he says, what can you see? | ||
| D, D, da, da, da, da. | ||
| Go through it all. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| And then he doesn't move it around. | ||
| And he says, okay, what can you see there? | ||
| And that's where these couple of shitty acting lessons I had paid off. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
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D, C, E. I'm like, mmm. | |
| Gets a little blurry after that, Doc, if I'm honest. | ||
| Couldn't see a fucking thing. | ||
| And he's like, okay, you've passed. | ||
| He said, listen, you've passed to fight. | ||
| He said, but I wouldn't fight. | ||
| He said, because if anything happens to your good eye, you're going to go blind. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're right, Doc. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I'll give it some thought. | ||
| I'll talk to my family. | ||
| Yeah, oh God, what a situation, right, yeah. | ||
| And I walked, I was like, fucking come on! | ||
| Because it meant I was back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But of course, then every time you fight, you still got to get checked by a doctor again. | ||
| Every time at the weigh-ins, you know, so that was always very, very worrisome. | ||
| So how'd you pass those? | ||
| They just didn't check very good. | ||
| I mean, I had a code with Perillo. | ||
| He always came in with me. | ||
| And I said, right, because all they've got to do, because now this is a prosthetic lens, as you know. | ||
| And I only got this in 2018. So without the prosthetic lens in, it looks awful. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| It looks worse now than what it did back then. | ||
| Over time, it's deteriorated and got worse and worse. | ||
| But I thought, all they've got to do is look at that eye and say, all right, how many fingers can you see? | ||
| So I said to Perillo, I said, if it holds up one finger, you go... | ||
| If he holds up two, yawn, whatever, if he holds up three, we just came up with these shitty codes, you know what I mean? | ||
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Wow. | |
| But we never had to use it once, because I remember once, the doctor, when you can see how that eye, right? | ||
| I said, yeah, yeah, of course I can. | ||
| I said, I've got all the paperwork. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| I was like, all right, sweet, cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very few people would have still fought. | ||
| At one eye, that's usually the price where most people are not willing to pay any more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'd just moved to America, bought this stupid big house that I didn't need. | ||
| I had a lawsuit going on with my former management, which was completely fabricated. | ||
| The legal fees were just incredible. | ||
| I couldn't quit. | ||
| I had no choice. | ||
| I had to still fight. | ||
| Now life's great, but back then I was still very much financially struggling. | ||
| And yeah, all I had. | ||
| Well, I had to fight this court case, this legal, this lawsuit, and that was costing a fortune. | ||
| And it's all I knew at that time. | ||
| That's one of the craziest stories ever, that you won the middleweight title with one eye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you won it by lying to the doctors. | ||
| Yeah, I was terrified. | ||
| I was terrified every time I fought. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to say too much. | ||
| Didn't it fuck with your depth perception, though? | ||
| Because that's one of the things that they say... | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Like, I'll go and grab that bottle, for example. | ||
| Now I'm fine because my brain's touched it, so I know where it's at. | ||
| I can judge it. | ||
| But the first time, I miss. | ||
| I miss all the time. | ||
| I'm always misreading how far something is away. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because, yeah, the depth perception, and everything's in 2D. And then sometimes it can fuck with me a little bit. | ||
| Sometimes I start getting a little... | ||
| I can get a little blurry and like, I don't know, I get a little dizzy because it's like sometimes, it's only sometimes that all of a sudden I'm like, whoa, I can't fucking figure anything. | ||
| What about driving? | ||
| Driving's fine. | ||
| But everything's on the right side. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You have to turn to see if someone's next to you in the next lane. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Yeah, if I'm changing lane, I always have to give it one of those and turn really far. | ||
| And I'm always hitting people in the face. | ||
| And it's always an old lady. | ||
| The amount of times, because I'm very animated. | ||
| I talk with my hands. | ||
| For example, I'm at a crosswalk in New York City, and I'm in the middle of telling a story, and I'm like, Oh my god, I am so sorry. | ||
| I've gone like that into someone's face. | ||
| And it's always a little old lady. | ||
| For some reason. | ||
| They look at me like I'm the biggest dickhead on the planet. | ||
| I'm like, I'm so sorry. | ||
| I am so sorry. | ||
| Oh, that's horrible. | ||
| Is there any hope for your eye? | ||
| No. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| There's nothing they can do in terms of repair? | ||
| Well, if you look at that... | ||
| Wow, it has gotten worse. | ||
| Yeah, there's just nothing there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| When I got this done, which changed my life in many ways, to be honest, I was just sick of looking like that, do you know what I mean? | ||
| So you don't see anything out of it? | ||
| No light, nothing? | ||
| If I cover up my good eye and the lights go on and off, the shade of blackness changes. | ||
| Yeah, just ever so slightly. | ||
| I can tell when the light's gone on and off. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And there's no replacement lenses or anything that they can do? | ||
| I saw or I heard recently that they're putting in robotic eyes or something like that. | ||
| But I haven't looked into it yet because... | ||
| Two fake knees and a fake eye. | ||
| Imagine if it's better. | ||
| Oh no, I know. | ||
| Could you imagine? | ||
| I'm fucking back! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| I'm back! | ||
| One more for the road! | ||
| Two fake knees stepping into the octagon. | ||
| That would be wild. | ||
| Fake knees and a fake eye. | ||
| I think they have an electronic eye that they've created that offers superior vision. | ||
| And I think it's just in the testing phases now. | ||
| But see if you can find that, Jamie. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that it is superior to normal eyesight. | ||
| And the way that it interacts with the brain, I don't understand. | ||
| I don't know how it interacts with the optic nerves and the signals that it sends. | ||
| Yeah, no, I'm sure it is better, you know, with the technology that they have. | ||
| One day. | ||
| Yeah, no, absolutely. | ||
| That's why I retired, though, because the doctor said, you know, and they always said, you know, if something goes wrong with your good eye, you'll go blind. | ||
| But didn't, after one of your fights, you did have some, we talked about this before. | ||
| Yeah, the last one, the Gastelum fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because I was always cocky, you know. | ||
| Lightning struck. | ||
| A lot of people have fight careers and don't lose an eye. | ||
| Lightning's already struck. | ||
| Lightning's not going to strike twice. | ||
| And then after the Kelvin Gastelum fight, we went to an after party and I was sitting there and every time I look left and then look back, I just have a flash of light. | ||
| And every time I did it again, every time a flash of light, I'm sitting in this bar and everyone's dancing and having a good time and stuff, you know. | ||
| And I'm starting to cry. | ||
| I'm starting to well up, you know, because I'm like, I'm going to go fucking blind. | ||
| Even if they repair the air, the ice part of me, I'm still going to go blind for a month or two while it's healing, you know? | ||
| Which is a scary concept. | ||
| So anyway, I'm starting to cry and I can tell. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck. | ||
| I don't want people to see me crying, A, because I'm a proud man, but B, because people are going to think, because I just lost a fight. | ||
| Oh, bless him. | ||
| Look, he's upset. | ||
| So I couldn't give a fuck about losing a fight. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I'm going to go blind. | ||
| So anyway, I rushed out the room. | ||
| Said I was going to the toilet, rushed out the party and went back to my room. | ||
| And then Perillo and Daz Morris, a friend of mine, came back to my room and, you know, we had a few drinks and forgot all about it. | ||
| Had a crazy night in Shanghai. | ||
| Came to on an aeroplane, flying home, and I sat up. | ||
| I'm like, oh god, I need a drink of water. | ||
| I said, excuse me, to the air hostess. | ||
| And then when I look there and when I look back, flash a light again. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, because I've forgotten all about it, you know what I mean? | ||
| But yeah, that was a vitreous detachment, so it wasn't a detached wedding, unfortunately. | ||
| But then that was it. | ||
| I'm like, right, that's enough now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many guys do you know that have eye issues from fighting? | ||
| Jason Perillo, my coach, funnily enough, detached retina. | ||
| Yeah, he was an undefeated professional boxer and detached his retina. | ||
| But that was, you know, medical science has come a long way since then. | ||
| The first time I'd ever heard about it was Sugar Ray Leonard, remember? | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard had detached retina. | ||
| That's why he retired. | ||
| And then he had one fight, a comeback fight. | ||
| He was going to fight Marvin Hagler. | ||
| And he had a comeback fight and got dropped in the comeback fight. | ||
| I forget the gentleman he fought, but he got hit with a good shot and dropped and got up and stopped the guy. | ||
| And then he said, after that, he had this press conference. | ||
| He said, I'm done. | ||
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Right. | |
| I believe he said it in the ring. | ||
| I think he got in the ring. | ||
| He had a big event and then announced that he was retiring. | ||
| He's never going to fight again. | ||
| And then he decided a couple years later, I believe it was, he was going to come back and just fight Hagler. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| He came back, fought Hagler, won that fight, and then had a bunch of other fights. | ||
| Yeah, you can do it. | ||
| It's just hard. | ||
| It changes everything. | ||
| Because when I used to spar, a lot of the time you're hitting fresh air until you actually touch them, like I said before with that water bottle. | ||
| My brain said, okay, now I've got to gauge on how far it is and then I'd be fine. | ||
| And then fortunately for me, it was my lead eye. | ||
| I stand orthodox. | ||
| Whereas if it was this way, that'd be my dominant eye because this can still see... | ||
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Right. | |
| Almost 180 degrees. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be a real problem if you're staying orthodox with a left eye bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's still crazy that you were so successful with one eye. | ||
| I mean, how many fights did you have with one eye? | ||
| About ten, I think. | ||
| Mike, that's so nuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so nuts. | ||
| Ten fights with one eye. | ||
| That is so fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I guess. | ||
| And you won the title. | ||
| And I won the belt. | ||
| See, that was the thing. | ||
| When I... Lost to Rockhold that first time. | ||
| I was blind in the ring because what happened was on the final day flying to Australia in the training camp, I was about to Kimura somebody and he fucking kneed me in the face on the floor to get out of the submissions. | ||
| One of my training partners opened up a big gash in my eye. | ||
| And when I got to Australia, I had stitches above my good eye, obviously blind in the other eye. | ||
| And I remember, day of the fight, we're walking into the arena in Australia, and as I was walking in, someone from the UFC comes running over, Michael, Michael, Michael, the doctor needs to see you immediately. | ||
| I'm like, what's going on? | ||
| Something to do with your eye. | ||
| And I'm like, oh God! | ||
| Because the stress of fighting with one eye and cheating on all these tests was just unbelievable. | ||
| I'm like, I'm going to get fucking rumbled at any time. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| And that's something to do with your eye. | ||
| I'm like, oh God, here we go. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I've done my training camp, flown to Australia. | ||
| I'm going to get yanked from the fight. | ||
| And I walk in to see the doctor. | ||
| I'm like, what's wrong? | ||
| He says, yeah, you've got stitches in your eye, mate. | ||
| You can't fucking fight with stitches in your eye. | ||
| And he just wanted to take the stitches out of the good eye. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Dodged another bullet. | ||
| So he just took the stitches out and it's good to go. | ||
| Took the stitches out. | ||
| And then in the fight with Rockhold, when we started after the first minute or so, he headbutted me. | ||
| Accidental, who knows? | ||
| I like to think it wasn't. | ||
| But he headbutted me and it started pissing blood into my eye. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Into your good eye. | ||
| Into my good eye. | ||
| So it was like if you take a can of paint... | ||
| Put it onto a windshield and put the windscreen wipers on. | ||
| It's going to just be... | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's going to smudge, you know? | ||
| So everything was red and I'd wipe my eye and I could kind of see again the blood would come in and it would all go red so I'd wipe my eye and then at some point when I was doing that I guess I got kicked in the head. | ||
| I had no fucking idea. | ||
| Well, he used a question mark kick, too. | ||
| That was earlier in the fight. | ||
| Oh, was it? | ||
| It was a beautiful kick he hit me with, but I didn't see it coming. | ||
| And then he choked me out unconscious. | ||
| No excuse. | ||
| Well, guillotine. | ||
| No excuse for that one. | ||
| But that's why that was so hard to take, because I couldn't say anything. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Because otherwise I'd be rumbled. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know, I had to just swallow that one so that won't hurt. | ||
| So that's why I always wanted to fight him again, because I knew I could do better. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Yes, obviously, of course. | ||
| That's my excuse, but it's true. | ||
| Well, it's true. | ||
| I mean, and then the Vitor thing is a strange situation, because what Vitor did was technically legal, but everybody knows it's cheating. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, Vitor was on TRT, but he was on... | ||
| Probably a lot. | ||
| ...superhuman doses. | ||
| Well, we know. | ||
| We know he got tested. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| He was one of the reasons why TRT was removed. | ||
| Because they tested Vitor, and I forget which event it was, and he was off the charts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his excuse was that he had showed up, he was going to be in America for like a week and a half, so he took like a large dose. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Because he couldn't take his second dose or whatever it was. | ||
| I see. | ||
| I forget exactly how he said it, but I remember when they looked at the levels, they're like, this is not just testosterone replacement. | ||
| This is for sure super physiological. | ||
| This is like not what a normal person ever has in terms of this range of hormones in your system. | ||
| And when Vitor would fight back then, he was a fucking berserker. | ||
| Oh, he was great. | ||
| I mean, because he was already a very good fighter. | ||
| Very good fighter and just... | ||
| Super juiced. | ||
| I mean, he was just so aggressive and so ripped, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that run he went on down in Brazil. | ||
| That fucking run. | ||
| Franklin, Akiyama, myself, Rockhold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no, it was crazy. | ||
| That was the juiced Vitor. | ||
| That was the TRT Vitor. | ||
| People, to this day, they talk about, like, there's certain fighters, like, there was a moment, you know, where a few fights, and TRT Vitor is one that people always bring up. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, all I thought about then, though, was Anderson Silva pulled it off, though. | ||
| But he didn't. | ||
| But that wasn't TRT Vitor. | ||
| Was it not? | ||
| No. | ||
| Pull up Vitor versus Anderson Silva. | ||
| Physically looked very different. | ||
| Very different. | ||
| Like, even when he fought Franklin, he looked very different. | ||
| He was like a bodybuilder. | ||
| He looked like a bodybuilder. | ||
| When he fought Rockhold. | ||
| When he fought Rockhold and wheel kicked him in the head, he had muscles on his teeth. | ||
| I mean, they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| They were on his eyebrows, they're muscled. | ||
| He was fucking gigantic. | ||
| He was just shredded. | ||
| Just veins everywhere. | ||
| And he looked terrifying. | ||
| That was when he shaved the side of his head and he just... | ||
| He was a wild motherfucker then. | ||
| He was a fucking psycho. | ||
| And, I mean, everything. | ||
| Look, see, that's him when he fought Anderson. | ||
| Oh, you're right. | ||
| Yeah, he's very lean, though. | ||
| Yeah, look at the image of him getting kicked in the face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did not look like the Vitor versus Rockhold. | ||
| No. | ||
| That was him off of steroids and then coming back into, like, very different, man, if you look at his body. | ||
| Coming out of, you know, fighting overseas. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He had fought a lot in Pride and... | ||
| But then, look at Vitor versus Rockhold. | ||
| Well, there's that side-by-side. | ||
| Look that up. | ||
| Oh, that's the crazy one. | ||
| That's post-USADA. That's when he fought Weidman. | ||
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Yeah, Weidman, Gastelum. | |
| I'm gonna have to go in the bathroom. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead, brother. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| We'll take a break, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| We're back, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| So let's see the Luke Rockhold, Vitor versus Luke Rockhold. | ||
| It's kind of crazy when you think about the early days of fighting, because in the early days of MMA, Fucking half the people were juiced if not more they were they were a lot of them I'm gonna look at him the difference between the image of how he looked pull up the photo of him Giving Rockhold that wheel kick the one right next to that one Look at that. | ||
| I mean come on son. | ||
| He's fucking shredded. | ||
| Yeah The documentary that I've got coming out you talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, and you say some very very good words Well, you know, what you've done in your career was very extraordinary. | ||
| And it was extraordinary not just from the sense of the accomplishments, like there's a lot of great wins that you had. | ||
| Kung Lee, Mayhem Miller, there's a bunch of wins where you just like dominate these guys with your pace and your endurance, but it was your grit, man, your mental fortitude. | ||
| Because you're a great fighter and a great athlete, but there's not a thing that stands out about you other than your mind and your toughness, which is really the thing that a man should be most proud of. | ||
| Because if you're born with incredible power or unbelievable speed or you're just an enormous person, that's a giant advantage over everybody. | ||
| Your advantage was just your mind. | ||
| It's an amazing thing, and it cost you your knees, you know, because that toughness made you train through your knee injuries. | ||
| Yeah, well, thank you, Joe. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| It's very kind of you to say thank you. | ||
| Never felt like it to me, though. | ||
| Never felt like I was making some sacrifice or doing, you know, or like I was... | ||
| You know showing a lot of mental strength or willpower or whatever for me I'm just trying to win a fight You know I'm just trying to provide for my family and do everything I can to give them the best life Which sounds guys that have no quit you don't have any quit Yeah, no quit the Anderson Silva fight is a great example of that when you got here with that flying that you were trying to point to your mouthpiece again Because the eye because I'm looking at you here if I go there you don't exist to me. | ||
| Oh Right. | ||
| So my mouthpiece came out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then, fucking Herb Dean, I'm like, I'm backing up. | ||
| You're trying to say Herb. | ||
| Give me my fucking mouthpiece. | ||
| So I turn, I go, my mouthpiece, Herb. | ||
| And then I look back and Anderson Silva's in mid-air. | ||
| And it hits me. | ||
| And he walked away. | ||
| He thought it was over. | ||
| Yeah, well, as I hit the deck, beep, the round finished. | ||
| So Herb jumped in. | ||
| To be fair to Anderson, it probably looked in his mind like he just knocked me out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Herb stopped the fight. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| So he started celebrating. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All hell broke loose. | ||
| I'm on the floor. | ||
| I remember I'm all crumpled up on the floor, blood pouring out of my face. | ||
| And I look up at Herb and say, I'm not out. | ||
| And he says, yep, fight's still on. | ||
| And Anderson was celebrating. | ||
| So I wasn't unconscious, but I was definitely down. | ||
| But then you came back and won the next round. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Mike, that was crazy. | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| I was screaming. | ||
| I didn't even get seen by a cup man. | ||
| Because of the pandemonium. | ||
| Where did that fight take place? | ||
| London. | ||
| I don't believe I was there for that. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm pretty sure I was at home screaming. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I remember watching that, but I'll never forget watching that screaming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, you won the next fucking round! | ||
| Yeah, it was difficult. | ||
| It was difficult. | ||
| Fuck, dude. | ||
| You were out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, for at least a half a second, you were out. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I mean, you know how it is when you get hit with a good one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's always the same. | ||
| Flash of light. | ||
| Flash of light. | ||
| And then, you know, you're like, oh, shit. | ||
| I'm back. | ||
| Here I am. | ||
| That minute in between was all it took. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I've been there many times. | ||
| Like when I fought Akiyama, I remember he came out. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Hit me with a huge right hand, which I didn't see coming. | ||
| And then all the same thing. | ||
| Flash of light. | ||
| The thing. | ||
| And then you don't know where you are. | ||
| And then you come to and you're like, oh... | ||
| I'm in a fucking octagon. | ||
| There's 20,000 people standing around watching this. | ||
| Get your shit together. | ||
| Pretend that you're fine. | ||
| And then, you know, 30 seconds or so, you get on your bike, use your footwork, you dance around a little bit. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And one of the most impressive examples of you and your resolve was the second fight That you had with Dan Henderson. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because you got clipped in that fight and you could see your gears spinning like, not today, motherfucker. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, I am not going to lose the same way. | ||
| There's no fucking way I'm going to let that guy knock me out again. | ||
| Well, because obviously if you're fighting Dan Henderson, the whole game plan is avoid the right hand. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But like my old boxing coach used to say, you don't go in the rain without getting wet. | ||
| He's built a career on that right hand. | ||
| He's going to land it probably. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's wild when someone has, like, one weapon that's so fucking powerful. | ||
| You know, because it's like, I mean, I think he hurt Hector Lombard with a left, too. | ||
| And he high-kicked him, didn't he? | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| He KO'd him with an elbow, I believe. | ||
| Boom, and then came back like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I think he high-kicked him, too. | ||
| Right, I'm not sure. | ||
| Yeah, I was warming up. | ||
| I fought on the same night, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that fight too, that was another example of your resolve. | ||
| The fact that you got rocked and you still figured out a way to win that fight. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| And weathered the storm. | ||
| He shattered my orbital in that one. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| In the first round, yeah. | ||
| The good eye or the bad eye? | ||
| Good eye. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| There's pictures online and you see my cheek is out here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in the fourth and fifth round... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I couldn't see out of my good eye. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| If I moved around a little bit, moved my head around a touch, I could just kind of see a little slit of him, a little angle of him. | ||
| So, yeah, that last couple of rounds was bad. | ||
| And then I remember I got back to the hotel and the swelling got so bad the actual eyes shut and I couldn't see. | ||
| And that was kind of scary. | ||
| I was in the shower and was crying a little bit, you know, because you go blind, it's kind of scary. | ||
| But after about a minute or so, some ice on it, it went down. | ||
| Power is such a crazy thing. | ||
| Like, you can't figure out who has it and who doesn't and why they have it and why they don't. | ||
| Yeah, it is crazy like that. | ||
| I mean, yes, you can train it, you can work technique, you can get better. | ||
| Well, Jamal Hill. | ||
| Jamal Hill. | ||
| Yeah, I mean crazy. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| His power is outstanding. | ||
| It's just wild. | ||
| It's wild how hard he hits. | ||
| He doesn't look like a guy that's gonna pack a punch like that either. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Goddamn he does. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| What did he hit Johnny Walker with? | ||
| He just went stiff and flying backwards. | ||
| Other than Paul Craig. | ||
| Yeah, OSP. OSP knocked him out. | ||
| Paul Craig has just got a nasty guard, man. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| But here's the thing about Hill. | ||
| What a great attitude he has. | ||
| There's a video of him partying with Paul Craig after that fight. | ||
| They're dancing, having a good time together. | ||
| I had Jamal Hill on my podcast last week, and he's got some funny stories. | ||
| He's a funny guy, man. | ||
| He was funny talking about when people were dismissing. | ||
| Chael was dismissing the shot he hit Walker with, saying it wasn't that big of a shot. | ||
| He's like, come on. | ||
| It looked like a big shot. | ||
| Johnny Walker was unconscious on the floor. | ||
| How could you say it's not a big shot? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| He caught him coming in. | ||
| He hit him perfect. | ||
| He hit him right above the temple, like right there. | ||
| The guy stiffens up immediately and flies backwards. | ||
| Jamal was telling us some stories his street fighting days, like taking on nine guys at once and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, he's got some wild stories. | ||
| You remember Mike McDonald, the kid who used to fight at bantamweight? | ||
| Canadian? | ||
| I don't think he was Canadian. | ||
| I want to say he was from Northern California. | ||
| Okay, no. | ||
| But he was a very slight-looking guy, didn't look like a physically imposing guy, and would just murk motherfuckers. | ||
| Just one punch KO power. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| It was like, where is it coming from? | ||
| Yeah, no, it is wild. | ||
| Like Jason Perillo. | ||
| He's a skinny little guy. | ||
| I don't know what he weighs. | ||
| Probably 150, 160 tops. | ||
| You want to see that guy hit a bag. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy how hard he hits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's such a strange thing. | ||
| As I say, you can get better at it. | ||
| You can work the technique. | ||
| There's like a God-given ability that some people have. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Where they just, for whatever reason, they just have this ability to hit so much harder than everybody else. | ||
| Do you remember, I don't know how much boxing, did you ever watch a lot of boxing back in the day? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, the big ones. | ||
| The big, big ones, you know. | ||
| But I never really watched much sports, to be honest. | ||
| Did you ever see Julian Jackson? | ||
| No. | ||
| Julian Jackson was a guy like that, where his KOs were so crazy. | ||
| Like you hit guys and they would just go like while they're standing up to just stiffen up and fall flat backwards Like yeah, yeah, he knocked out so many knocked out Terry Norris He knocked out so many like elite fighters when Julian Jackson would connect on guys and again He looked like like a great athlete. | ||
| He looked like you know weight heavyweight 160 all right okay Jackson believe he was a middleweight but it was just the one punch KO power that was just insane and And everyone knew about it. | ||
| Everyone was terrified of him. | ||
| And he would hit you with like little short shots and guys would just go stick. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| As you say, God given. | ||
| I'm not a religious guy, but we'll use that phrase. | ||
| Yeah, but that's that phrase. | ||
| It's just a row of the dice. | ||
| Some guy's got a giant dick. | ||
| He's got crazy KO power. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| Watch this guy. | ||
| Tiny little dick and no punching power. | ||
| This is him against Terry Norris, who was elite at the time. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I mean you see like he's stiff in the air. | ||
| From the first shot. | ||
| From the first shot. | ||
| Watch this again. | ||
| Watch the stiffness. | ||
| I mean he's gone. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| I mean his brain shut off from that first punch and his body hasn't figured it out yet. | ||
| And then he hits him with two more on the way down. | ||
| I mean, there's a highlight reel of Julian Jackson that is fucking insane. | ||
| Oh, I can imagine. | ||
| Yeah, ten Julian Jackson not-haves to watch before you die. | ||
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I've never even heard of this guy. | |
| Oh my God, he was amazing. | ||
| I want to say this is the probably... | ||
| Was it the 90s, Jamie? | ||
| Does it say? | ||
| Does it say what year? | ||
| 89. Terry Norris was a good one. | ||
| Harold Graham was a good one. | ||
| He fucked Harold Graham up, too. | ||
| I mean, he was just... | ||
| This was a good one, too, because he was stepping back in the Harold Graham fight, and I think he was losing that fight. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Watch this KO, because it is fucking wild. | ||
| Harold Graham moves for it. | ||
| Back it up. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| BAM! Boom! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That kind of shit. | ||
| And that's how you know you got real power when you can do it going backwards. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, he did that to everybody. | ||
| Everybody who hit clean went night and night. | ||
| Look at that guy. | ||
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Crazy man. | |
| Doesn't know what day it is. | ||
| And that's that kind of weird gift that some guys have. | ||
| I mean, if you look at Francis Ngannou, he has power like that. | ||
| But look at him. | ||
| But it's obvious. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| If you're going to pick someone that's got punch power, it's going to be Francis Ngannou every time. | ||
| But when you're looking at someone who's 160 pounds, kind of a leaner frame, and they can still do that, that's where it gets really interesting. | ||
| No, it's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy how some people just have it. | ||
| I'm really hoping that Dana and Francis come to some sort of an agreement and they let Francis box Tyson Fury. | ||
| That's what I'm hoping. | ||
| I want the man to get that giant, crazy, Conor McGregor-style payday. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| And for the payday, it'd be great. | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't fancy him in the fight. | ||
| With respect to Francis Ngannou, that's not someone I want to piss off. | ||
| Listen, I would not want to piss him off either. | ||
| I want him to get the opportunity to get a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| But if you looked at who he's boxing, I mean, Tyson Fury is one of the most skillful boxers ever. | ||
| He's unbelievable. | ||
| Who just happens to be 6'9". | ||
| 6'9", 84-inch reach, I think. | ||
| Yeah, and... | ||
| Crazy light on his feet. | ||
| Have you seen how fast he is? | ||
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Yes. | |
| My God. | ||
| And he can take it. | ||
| The balls are steel as well. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What he did against Deontay Wilder, when he got dropped in that first one, he got up and I thought he was going to dance around. | ||
| He's going to stay away. | ||
| He won the round. | ||
| And he went forward, he pressed the action. | ||
| He got dropped, almost knocked unconscious, got up and won the rest of the round, which is crazy. | ||
| Well, that's why in the rematch, He knew what to do. | ||
| He knew what to do because I walked him down after that because I had no choice. | ||
| He said, if I backed up, he might have got me again. | ||
| So I had to say, fuck this and go forward. | ||
| And then he realized that guy doesn't fight that good backing up. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And then he put it on him. | ||
| But even in the second, the third fight rather. | ||
| So he beats him, knocks him out in the second fight. | ||
| And then he had all kinds of crazy excuses. | ||
| Costin was too heavy. | ||
| He got poisoned. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| I hate it too. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| Yeah, but then he fights him in the second, the third fight rather, and in the third fight he gets dropped again and gets dropped hard, like, and dropped twice in a round. | ||
| Tyson, you mean? | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, Tyson did. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then eventually, but puts him out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, where there's no if, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| When Fury put him out at the end of the fight, like, there can be no doubt. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I hate it when fighters do that, when they come out and they've got all these excuses. | ||
| I mean, that was bad from Deontay Wilder. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| Talking about the costume and his legs were weak. | ||
| Tyson Fury said when he knocked him out that his elbow was so fucked up before that fight that he couldn't even hit pads. | ||
| Tyson's elbow? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like if he missed the pads, it would be excruciating pain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because me and Tyson, we had not a bit of beef. | ||
| We went back and forth on social media a long time ago because we're from a similar part of the world, you know. | ||
| And after that Deontay Wilder fight, I had no choice but to send him a DM saying, wow, you have my respect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's some of the gypsy community. | ||
| There's a lot of gypsies where I'm from and apparently on Twitter, but I lived in America at the time, Tyson was saying, I got knocked out by Gypsy John outside a nightclub in Blackburn. | ||
| He's like, oh, you don't talk about that one, Mike. | ||
| Talk about you getting knocked outside a nightclub. | ||
| I'm like, what are you talking about? | ||
| I live in America. | ||
| So it's just a made-up story? | ||
| Yeah, just a made-up story, yeah. | ||
| But even after that fight, I had to message him and say, wow, incredible. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| He's so unusual because of the length and the height, but also the movement for such a big guy. | ||
| And he's another guy. | ||
| Like, you look at him, he doesn't look like an elite athlete. | ||
| He's got all that back fat, it's always like big love handles. | ||
| He's not what you call an athletic specimen. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| But that's part of what's scary about him. | ||
| Like, he takes his shirt off. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| Doesn't give a... | ||
| There's that picture, isn't there? | ||
| It shows somebody really in shape, and then there's one of Tyson Fury's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The elite heavyweight athlete or something. | ||
| Tyson Fury's belly's gigantic. | ||
| He's got a pizza in his hand, a beer. | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Well, he talks about how he would go out at night and drink fucking pints and pints of beer, and then in the morning, fuck everybody up. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's crazy that he's that good. | ||
| I mean, it's skill, too. | ||
| It's like he learned the skill of how to put knuckles on someone's face. | ||
| But the skill is evident. | ||
| I mean, the faints that he uses. | ||
| I mean, against Klitschko, I don't know if you saw that one. | ||
| I mean, it just faints constantly, constantly. | ||
| And you don't know how hard that is to do that. | ||
| Cardiovascular, the strain that that puts on those. | ||
| Because the only micro... | ||
| Microsecond movements, you know what I mean? | ||
| But they're explosive little movements because you've got to sell the feint. | ||
| And to do that for 12 rounds, you know, with a body that size, and then, of course, with the output on top of that, it's not an easy thing to do. | ||
| And then sing afterwards. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, he's quite the showman. | ||
| He's such a character. | ||
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He is. | |
| He's such a... | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| I fucking love him. | ||
| And I really... | ||
| I know that Usyk is supposed to fight Joshua. | ||
| I mean, he knows what's going to happen now because Usyk is literally fighting the Russians in Ukraine. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I mean, him, Lomachenko. | ||
| Lomachenko, Vladimir, Vitaly Klitschko. | ||
| Yeah, Vladimir, Vitaly, all of them. | ||
| God bless those guys. | ||
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God bless them. | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Those are real warriors. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I mean, they didn't hesitate. | ||
| That puts everything into perspective. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You think you've got problems? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you got fucking 200,000 Russians at your doorstep? | ||
| Right. | ||
| With tanks? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And warships and helicopters and all that shit? | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| That whole scene is so horrible and who knows how that plays out. | ||
| I mean, it's such a scary time. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Putin's kind of backed into a corner, isn't it? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's got to do something. | ||
| That's why he's... | ||
| What? | ||
| Did he put the nuclear threat on high or whatever it was? | ||
| Well, they sent bombers to... | ||
| See if you can find this. | ||
| They sent... | ||
| Putin sent hypersonic nuclear-capable bombers to Venezuela. | ||
| So these bombers are essentially on our doorstep. | ||
| Why Venezuela? | ||
| Because it's close to us. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Yeah, because it's close enough to us to... | ||
| I mean, essentially, this is what... | ||
| I've been reading about this and watching videos about this for the last few months, or the last few weeks, rather. | ||
| And what this is all about, for the most part, is NATO and Ukraine... | ||
| So 2018, Russian nuclear air-capable bomber aircraft fried to Venezuela. | ||
| So they've been doing it since then. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So they've had them there forever. | ||
| So he sent these supersonic nuclear bombers back then? | ||
| So is that where the footage is coming from? | ||
| That it's not coming from more recent footage? | ||
| A lot of that stuff has been being repopulated now, I guess, would be a way to say that. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| How wild is that? | ||
| So he was sending these supersonic... | ||
| I didn't even know he had supersonic nuclear bombers four years ago. | ||
| What the fuck's a supersonic nuclear bomber? | ||
| Well, it's a bomber that is capable of flying faster than the speed of sound, which is terrifying. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, those guys there, I mean, just civilians picking up guns in the street and fighting the Russians. | ||
| I mean, that is wild. | ||
| And a lot of those people that we just mentioned, they have a way to escape. | ||
| They can leave. | ||
| But they're saying, no, fuck that. | ||
| We're staying and fighting. | ||
| And it's so inspirational. | ||
| It's so scary. | ||
| I mean, I heard, my wife told me yesterday, the orphanages, they're really suffering because the workers have just left. | ||
| So there's kids, orphans, alone in orphanages with no one taking care of them. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| It's just, it's so messed up. | ||
| In this day and age, in this day and age, it's just crazy. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And where does this go? | ||
| I mean, what happens if China decides to invade Taiwan while this is happening? | ||
| And then we got... | ||
| World War III. Yeah. | ||
| That's... | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| You know, I mean, who knows? | ||
| North Korea, China, and Russia... | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's a wild time. | ||
| Wild time indeed, but... | ||
| It's a wild time. | ||
| And you know, like we were talking about with Hamzat, people that come out of that kind of struggle from... | ||
| Well, there's that meme, isn't there? | ||
| Have you seen that meme that's going around? | ||
| These kids, these Russians grew up wrestling bears, doing this, I don't know, a bunch of tough stuff. | ||
| We have grown men doing fucking TikTok dances. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to set this... | ||
| Hold on, let me find it. | ||
| My mate sent it to me. | ||
| I think there's enough savages in America that that, you know, kind of balances out. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, for sure, for sure, absolutely. | ||
| But there's a lot of pussies here. | ||
| Russia has soldiers who boxed trees and wrestle bears and kids taught weapon handling in schools. | ||
| We've got grown men dancing on TikTok and men who are scared of telling their girlfriends that they're out at the pub. | ||
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Ha ha! | |
| I think we'll sit this one out. | ||
| But it's fucking true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's true, but I think the terrifying thing is if it all comes down to nuclear war, the toughness does not... | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| But that's... | ||
| What's scary is, like, if someone's willing to shoot missiles into apartment buildings and do the shit that Putin's already done in Ukraine, what... | ||
| Like, where's the line? | ||
| Like, where is he willing to draw the line? | ||
| Well, that's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because he's posturing... | ||
| Well, not posturing, but... | ||
| With all the nuclear stuff, I think he's posturing because the Ukrainians, from what I hear, are doing a pretty good job, you know, fighting them off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of people dying, of course, on both sides, I believe. | ||
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| If he can't go in and take out Ukraine, it's not going to look good on the world stage, is it? | ||
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| So, therefore, it backs him into a corner. | ||
| I was also reading, or watching a video rather, where this guy who lives in Ukraine was talking about how there's a secondary problem that happened from the government handing out all these military weapons to everybody. | ||
| A lot of criminals got these weapons. | ||
| So now robberies are going up and all sorts of other crimes are going up. | ||
| They haven't got enough problems at the moment without that as well. | ||
| It's horrific, man. | ||
| The whole thing is chaos. | ||
| It puts things into perspective. | ||
| No, it really does. | ||
| As I said before, you think you've got real issues, real problems. | ||
| It all pales in significance. | ||
| Everybody kind of forgot about COVID. Yeah. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| Even the State of the Union address. | ||
| The president, no one there is wearing a mask. | ||
| No one wear a mask. | ||
| They stop wearing masks. | ||
| A few weeks ago in England, everything's done. | ||
| Literally no restrictions whatsoever. | ||
| So that's good. | ||
| So your film, there's a documentary about you that Adam Scorgy did. | ||
| Love that guy. | ||
| When does it come out? | ||
| March 15th. | ||
| Is it going to be available everywhere? | ||
| Yeah, so it's Universal Studios releasing it. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Video On Demand initially. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Video On Demand, VOD. Yeah, like Apple, iTunes, stuff like that, Amazon. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And then it'll be Netflix or something after that, I'm sure. | ||
| Netflix or Hulu. | ||
| But yeah, it's good. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Thank you, Joe, because you said some great things on that. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| I did it years ago, Mike. | ||
| I don't remember how long ago it was. | ||
| We filmed this in 2018. It took forever. | ||
| I don't know why it took so long. | ||
| But yeah, I'm happy with it. | ||
| And it's not just all about... | ||
| Well, I guess it is to a certain degree how great I am, you know? | ||
| What a fucking name. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It was called Built For This. | ||
| That's what it was called. | ||
| And then some of the producers got together and they were like, no, we don't like this. | ||
| We don't like it. | ||
| We think Bisping and then Universal liked that. | ||
| I was like, all right, whatever. | ||
| Did they film it after you retired? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like right after that's when they started? | ||
| 2018. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, it was good. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| A lot of people, you know, lent their time. | ||
| I mean, some of the words from Michael Jai White, he's on there. | ||
| He says some great stuff. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Oh, he's amazing. | ||
| Very insightful, though. | ||
| He talks about... | ||
| The challenges of going through life as an alpha male, you know what I mean? | ||
| And what's kind of expected from people like that and stuff. | ||
| It's surprising, I think, for some people. | ||
| It's the emotional journey. | ||
| What is it like having someone examine your life like that and have all these people talking about you like that? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I'm weird sitting here talking about it. | ||
| Ooh, my documentary. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| But yeah, I mean, it's nice that it's celebrated in such a way that, I mean, the producers and everyone involved did a tremendous job and I'm very happy with it. | ||
| But yeah, it feels weird. | ||
| It feels weird. | ||
| Yeah, it's got to. | ||
| I mean, people say I'm an arrogant bastard, but I don't like to sit and talk about myself all the time. | ||
| You're not arrogant. | ||
| Plenty of other people to talk about, do you know what I mean? | ||
| The way you can tell if a man is arrogant is like, how does he behave once he's retired? | ||
| You're a pretty fun guy. | ||
| You're easy going. | ||
| You were just driven and intense. | ||
| No, I was. | ||
| And that guy doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's wild to me. | ||
| I don't sit around and watch my own fights, but occasionally I've been flicking through the TV. It was about two years ago now. | ||
| I was going through the TV. My son Lucas was in bed with me, and he's never watched any of my fights. | ||
| He's not interested. | ||
| He couldn't care less. | ||
| He just makes fun of me all the time. | ||
| We have a great relationship. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We just bust each other's balls all the time. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| And I was flicking through the TV and the Kung Lee fight came on. | ||
| I said, Lucas, watch this, watch this. | ||
| And he was like, he left the room after a few minutes. | ||
| He's like, how could you do that to another person, Dad? | ||
| You know, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| We got to war with Lucas, we're fucked. | ||
| We're all dead. | ||
| But he went out of the room. | ||
| And then, of course, I carried on watching it, because you do. | ||
| And at the end of it, I'm calling out, you know, everyone under the sun, calling out Rockhold, saying, I'm going to be the champion one day. | ||
| And I'm like, fucking this guy. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I knew I had one eye. | ||
| And where does this confidence come from? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| So even that fight and the Kung Lee fight you had one eye? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's like, you know, that guy doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| And even now, commentating. | ||
| I sit there, obviously, you know, you've done it for many, many years. | ||
| I sit there and I call these fights and I think, these people are fucking crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I see some of the action, some of the shots that they land. | ||
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I'm like, wow! | |
| I mean, I love it. | ||
| I'm like, wow! | ||
| These guys are crazy! | ||
| And I think, oh, yeah, I used to do that. | ||
| That fight, Petrosian versus Rodriguez. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Where Rodriguez caught him with that head kick. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| And busted his nose wide open. | ||
| He was just huge. | ||
| Hold on, remind me, how did that end again? | ||
| Who won? | ||
| I think Petrosian won a decision. | ||
| Petrosian won, Petrosian won, yeah. | ||
| But fucking the blood is everywhere. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And that Rodriguez guy, I mean, he's a jiu-jitsu master. | ||
| He's got high-level jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Fucking nasty stand-up. | ||
| Standing there fucking going toe-to-toe with a kickboxer. | ||
| I'm like, dude. | ||
| A guy with like 90 kickboxing fights. | ||
| Shoot his takedown! | ||
| For the love of God, what are you doing? | ||
| But what a fight. | ||
| What a performance. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, it was wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| There's so many fights that while you're in the middle watching the fight, you're like, holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, just holy shit. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| It does blow my mind what these men and women do. | ||
| I mean, I get it, of course. | ||
| I mean, I've been there, but it takes a special kind of person to go there and do that. | ||
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It really does. | |
| And that's why I have so much respect for everyone that... | ||
| Has the balls to step in there and do it. | ||
| Well, that's one of the things that I really truly love about what the UFC has done with their commentary team, is that they brought in guys like yourself, guys like Paul Felder, Dominic Cruz, Daniel Cormier, you know, all these guys that are these elite fighters that also are great at broadcasting. | ||
| And the guys they have sit on the desk, too. | ||
| You know, same thing. | ||
| It's like they're giving all this work to all these former fighters, And they're so insightful. | ||
| There's so much they can talk about that some just regular sports commentator can't do. | ||
| And there's a thing about this sport, too, where when regular sports guys try to come in and use regular sports guy jargon, everybody's like, get the fuck out of here with that shit. | ||
| Too polished, too perfect. | ||
| They don't want to hear nonsense that you would say, disrespectful talk about a basketball player or a baseball player not hustling. | ||
| When you start saying that about fighters, you gotta... | ||
| Yeah, I guess what you're talking about there, there was the famous one with Stephen A. Smith. | ||
| Yeah, that was a good one. | ||
| That was a good example of it. | ||
| And after the Conor and Cowboy fight. | ||
| And there was a big backlash over that. | ||
| I have no problem with Stephen A. I like him a lot. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| He's a personality. | ||
| He's a personality. | ||
| And he's gonna bring in non-fight fans. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So that's what they're doing. | ||
| They're trying to get that crossover. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| People are like, what the fuck's he doing talking about mixed martial arts? | ||
| It's like, dude, we're trying to grow the sport, trying to make it bigger. | ||
| And he's gonna be instrumental in doing that. | ||
| And I think as long as he's talking to someone that is an expert, like he was talking to Cormier or someone like that, Cormier can straighten out any misconceptions he might have. | ||
| He brings the big personality, and he's a guy like, that's his thing. | ||
| He's Stephen A. He's got a hot take. | ||
| He's got a hot take. | ||
| He's got hot takes. | ||
| And that's why he's rich. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He's a hot take guy. | ||
| That's what he's done. | ||
| He's very insightful about a lot of sports, and obviously loves MMA, you know? | ||
| But MMA is a... | ||
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It's not a game. | |
| When someone pours their fight, like, Zhang Wei Li versus Ioannion Jacek. | ||
| Remember that fucking fight? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Chaos! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| When that fight was over, you're like, that wasn't a game. | ||
| That wasn't a game. | ||
| Those two women fought for their lives. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They poured, they emptied everything they had out into that octagon. | ||
| It's so, it needs so much more respect than any other sport. | ||
| And fights like that, you only have so many of those in you. | ||
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Right. | |
| Only so many wars. | ||
| Because as you say, you leave a piece of yourself in the octagon. | ||
| When you go through something like, well, they did five rounds. | ||
| Yeah, it's not like a guy didn't guard the goalposts well enough. | ||
| It's not like a guy dropped the ball in the infield. | ||
| It's different, man. | ||
| Yeah, that's why people talk about motivation in fights. | ||
| I say, well, my primary motivation is not to get the shit kicked out of me on national television, international television. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, I want to win. | ||
| Of course I want to win. | ||
| I want to excel in my career. | ||
| But at that moment in time, when they say fight, you're trying to be offensive but defensive at the same time. | ||
| It's you or them, you know? | ||
| Kill or be killed. | ||
| Was there ever a fight that you went into, forget about just the eye injury, which is obviously a giant compromise, but was there ever a fight besides your eye injury where you went in where you had no problems? | ||
| Nothing wrong with you? | ||
| Yeah, early in my career, yeah. | ||
| Early. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But later on, that's something that most people who are casuals don't know. | ||
| Well, yeah, in my UFC career, no. | ||
| Because I blew out my PCL five days before the Ultimate Fighter finale. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Training with George St. Pierre, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the old Zufa office on Sahara in Vegas. | ||
| We were wrestling there, and I forget how it happened, but I blew my PCL five days before it. | ||
| So from there, yeah, my knee was always bad. | ||
| Did you tape it up before you fought? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| No, I just went in there and did it. | ||
| I was fighting Josh Haynes. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I can't beat him with a torn PCL. I don't deserve to be in the UFC. No offense, Josh. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Oh, my word. | ||
| Well, that was 205, too. | ||
| Yeah, 205, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it's just part and parcel. | ||
| I mean, to train for a fight. | ||
| I mean, wrestling. | ||
| It's all wrestling. | ||
| That's the hardest part. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's the hardest. | ||
| Like, my son, he's had like five surgeries now. | ||
| He's never been punched in the face once. | ||
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How old is he? | |
| 20. That's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| All my injuries are from wrestling, other than the eye. | ||
| You know, all wrestling, my neck, I remember I was doing a takedown, and as I went down, smacked my head on the floor. | ||
| You know, obviously, I did my knee with George, wrestling. | ||
| It's all wrestling. | ||
| Wrestling is so tough. | ||
| Yeah, most of the guys that I know that are high-level jiu-jitsu guys, they've fucked their necks up training with wrestlers. | ||
| And, you know, you get punched and kicked in the face. | ||
| You might get a black eye. | ||
| You might get a cut or whatever. | ||
| But that stuff heals. | ||
| With the wrestling injuries, the deep, internal, long-lasting hardships. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, how many of those guys, like those elite wrestlers, as they get older, like Dan Gable. | ||
| Like Dan Gable, he's got two fake hips, fake knees. | ||
| And I didn't have a wrestling career. | ||
| I wasn't a wrestler. | ||
| I supplemented what I did with some wrestling. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's one of the more impressive things about George, that never wrestled in high school, never wrestled in college, became one of the best wrestlers in MMA. It just goes to show. | ||
| Yeah, if you dedicate yourself to it, and George is so intelligent, too. | ||
| He's such a smart guy in terms of his approach to training. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| And the thing is, wrestling is hard to learn. | ||
| That's why most of the time you do start so young, because you format the brain in such a way that you can learn that. | ||
| Because I remember trying to learn wrestling Single legs and stuff like that. | ||
| I can't get power into this. | ||
| So sometimes if I'm doing a single leg, I put my head on the outside because at least then I could drive my shoulder into it. | ||
| So obviously you're going to get caught in a guillotine if you do that. | ||
| But doing it with the head inside, I was like for ages. | ||
| I'm like, this is bullshit. | ||
| This doesn't work. | ||
| How am I meant to take somebody down like this? | ||
| I'm like, what are you talking about, Mike? | ||
| Come here. | ||
| And the wrestling coach would just take me down. | ||
| I'm like, it's fucking easier to punch someone. | ||
| So yeah, it's hard. | ||
| Hard to learn. | ||
| The fact that George got so good at it from not wrestling as a child is impressive. | ||
| It was the thing with striking, too. | ||
| For some people, and I don't know why some people can figure it out, but for some people, when they're learning striking later in life, they never develop that kind of fluidity that a person, like a Floyd Mayweather, for example, from the time he was a small child, he was learning proper technique. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you've got to have rhythm. | ||
| You need rhythm if you're a striker. | ||
| Not that I'm the best dancer. | ||
| I'm not, but... | ||
| Yeah, you've got to have rhythm. | ||
| And if you haven't got that, just like punching power, you haven't got it or you haven't. | ||
| If you haven't got the rhythm as a striker, if you can't move, you haven't got coordination, then you're going to struggle, I think. | ||
| Yeah, well, one of the things that's interesting about guys like Lomachenko is that his father took him out of boxing for years and made him do Russian or Ukrainian dance. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| And so this Ukrainian dance moves that they did, that's part of the reason why his footwork is so fucking impressive, which is... | ||
| A giant part of his game. | ||
| Oh, no, it's a huge part of it. | ||
| I mean, his footwork's just incredible. | ||
| It's dancing. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Yeah, it is dancing. | ||
| To a certain degree, you're dancing with your opponent, you know? | ||
| Fighting's like a dance. | ||
| So, UFC 3, where you won the... | ||
| Ultimate Fighter 3, rather, where you won the championship. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| 2006. So, from 2006, isn't it wild when you look at the change in the games of these fighters? | ||
| Like, how much... | ||
| There are so many guys that are coming up where you're seeing them for the first time in the octagon, like one of their first fights, and you're like, Jesus Christ, these people are so good. | ||
| Calf kicks. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They didn't exist. | ||
| Even when I was fighting, I've never taken a calf kick. | ||
| I have no idea what they feel like. | ||
| They look like they hurt. | ||
| Because people fall on the floor and they get red and swollen and they look nasty. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I mean, that's the evolution of the sport. | ||
| Well, do you remember who the first person you ever saw throw one? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| For me, I'm pretty sure it was Benson Henderson. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| He was one of the early guys. | ||
| Yeah, he was one of the first guys I saw use it. | ||
| But it didn't seem as effective. | ||
| And it didn't take off overnight. | ||
| Because I remember seeing Benson doing it. | ||
| And I used to think, oh, what's he doing? | ||
| Because he never... | ||
| You know, because I've had people throwing weird kicks at me over the course of my career. | ||
| I'm like, stop doing that shit, please. | ||
| I used to have one sparring partner. | ||
| We'd be here and he'd lean down and he'd jab my thigh or whatever. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| What the fuck are you doing, jabbing my thigh? | ||
| You're just trying to make me look stupid, aren't you? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I used to see Benson do that. | ||
| I think, there's no impact there. | ||
| But I was wrong. | ||
| Well, it's crazy how it just all of a sudden took over the sport. | ||
| I don't know what year it was. | ||
| I mean, it was a few years ago that you just started seeing everybody throwing calf kicks. | ||
| It's the ultimate calf kicking championship now because you literally can end the fight. | ||
| You can't take too many of them. | ||
| The only person I've ever seen who could take them and it doesn't seem to have as much of an effect on them is Max. | ||
| Max Holloway. | ||
| When he fought Volkanovski, Volkanovski was eating his calf up and he just kept switching stances and kept moving. | ||
| The damage that it does though, it's crazy. | ||
| I mean of course then you've got the nerve issues as well and the peroneal nerve as we saw with O'Malley. | ||
| That's one thing but just the sheer pain, it looks so painful. | ||
| Yeah, that happened to Chandler, too. | ||
| Remember in Bellator? | ||
| His calf gave out, his foot dropped, and they stopped the fight because he couldn't walk good because it's just from calf kick. | ||
| Yeah, because people always say to me, you know, I say always say to me, but often you get talking to someone and they find out you were a fighter, you know, oh, what was that like? | ||
| Does it hurt getting punched in the face or whatever? | ||
| Well, no, not really. | ||
| I'm not trying to sound tough. | ||
| With the adrenaline and stuff, you get kind of conditioned to taking a punch to the face. | ||
| But leg kicks. | ||
| You feel leg kicks and body shots. | ||
| Punches to the face unless it knocks you out or it's a really, really good one. | ||
| You know, you just take him and you're like, son of a bitch, whatever. | ||
| Liver shots are the weirdest because you can get hit sometimes really hard and it doesn't do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally fine. | ||
| And then sometimes a good swift left hook to the ribs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you just have that bolt goes through your body and you can't fucking move. | ||
| Where's the angle that you landed at? | ||
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| Get it kind of going up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If the person's breathing in as it's connected as well, that'll, you know, play a big factor in it. | ||
| But yeah, they're crippling. | ||
| A good body shot, down you go. | ||
| Did you see that Koreshkov knockout the other day? | ||
| No. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
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He used to be... | |
| Oh, Koreshkov. | ||
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Oh, sorry. | |
| Pardon me. | ||
| Andre Koreshkov. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From Bellator. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That spinning back hit. | ||
| I didn't see, but I know he broke five ribs. | ||
| Bro. | ||
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| It's one of the craziest ones I've ever seen. | ||
| Because you see on the impact, his foot is just deep into this dude's rib cage. | ||
| Oh, let's take a look. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| It's Chance for Encounter, who's a tough fucking dude. | ||
| Tough fucking dude. | ||
| So when you see him go, look at that. | ||
| Like, I mean, it is just in there. | ||
| It's the heel. | ||
| The heel, right into the ribcage, shattered five ribs. | ||
| Five ribs. | ||
| I mean, that's a nightmare. | ||
| Oh, tremendous nightmare. | ||
| Good luck breathing for the next few months. | ||
| I mean, it's just easy. | ||
| And it's where he nailed him. | ||
| It's like right where the liver is, too. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| No, it is. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Look at the speed of this. | ||
| I mean, boom! | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| It's right in there. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Horrific. | ||
| Five ribs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, body shots. | ||
| I've torn cartilage in my ribs. | ||
| Yeah, I did that once. | ||
| That's a horrible thing. | ||
| You can't move good. | ||
| I've broken them, but the tearing of the cartilage might be just as bad as breaking them. | ||
| Final day before I flew to New York for the George St. Pierre fight. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| You were telling me that you were thinking about trying to shoot it up with lidocaine. | ||
| Yeah, never did that one, fortunately. | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, imagine... | ||
| The doctor said, oh, you can, I think we talked about this last time, punch your lung and die. | ||
| I'm like, all right. | ||
| I'm weighing this up right here. | ||
| No, you're good, thanks. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I feel like you would have to go really deep to puncture your lung, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think maybe he was just being scared. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Because it seems like if you're going into the cartilage, it's kind of right there. | ||
| Well, that's what I thought. | ||
| I thought it's just like, there. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I feel like if someone did it for you. | ||
| By a centimeter or something. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If someone did it for you. | ||
| Yeah, but me, he's just thinking, he's a bloody knucklehead, isn't he? | ||
| He's just going to go, and stick it right in. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Right, like you're tranquilizing a rhino. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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| There we go. | ||
| No, Michael. | ||
| It's only on the outside. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Is it difficult to go from this guy who's just completely obsessed with winning and fucking people up and being a champion, and then you disconnect from that and you go to being a commentator and a regular guy? | ||
| Do you miss having some ultimate quest in your life, a thing that you're chasing, or do you feel satisfied with what you accomplished? | ||
| Yeah, a bit of both, you know, because I'm still... | ||
| Now I'm just on to the next thing in my life. | ||
| You know, it's not over. | ||
| I'm still trying to be a success, still working on many, many projects. | ||
| But I do miss... | ||
| When you're training for a fight, I miss the mission of it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So you get an email from the UFC, you're going to fight this guy on this day. | ||
| In three months' time, you sit down with your coaches, you watch the tape, you formulate a game plan, you get the whiteboard out, train this day, train that day, strength and conditioning there, run there, wrestling there, rest day here with massage and whatnot. | ||
| And then you all, you go through a two-month training camp, you all get together on a plane, you fly off to the other side of the world, you know, with your brothers, you know, and you go to war. | ||
| I miss that. | ||
| You know, it's fun. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I do miss that. | ||
| But I don't miss being a fighter, necessarily. | ||
| But I miss that side of it. | ||
| I miss the challenge. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Well, I think it's because you did it. | ||
| You know, you got it all in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, obviously with the wear and tear that's on your body, you left it all. | ||
| Yeah, but you're just on to the next thing in life now. | ||
| I mean, I'm very, very lucky. | ||
| I mean, you mentioned the UFC bringing in former fighters. | ||
| I'm so grateful for that because there's so many fighters and athletes. | ||
| When they're done, what are they doing? | ||
| And that always scared me because so many people, they... | ||
| Life doesn't work out for them. | ||
| Yeah, that is the beautiful thing about the UFC, what they've done. | ||
| I really love that, that they've given these retired fighters a legitimate career. | ||
| Like, DC's got a great living. | ||
| He's got a legitimate career as a commentator. | ||
| And a lot of fighters, they struggle. | ||
| I mean, DC also has his wrestling, too. | ||
| He's coaching a lot of wrestling. | ||
| Many fighters, when it's over, they don't know what the fuck to do. | ||
| Their whole identity is wrapped up in the fact that they're competing. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| And you're absolutely right. | ||
| And a lot of people fall into ill ways and things like that. | ||
| You see it all the time. | ||
| It's a slippery slope. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| I mean, for me, I was lucky because of my eye issue. | ||
| I knew I was trying to set up some things whilst I still had a platform, for want of a better word. | ||
| Because nobody gives a damn about a washed up former fighter, the ten a penny. | ||
| Because I knew I was on borrowed time, so I was trying to do as many things as I could to try and earn a living outside of fighting. | ||
| Unfortunately, it all kind of paid off. | ||
| But yeah, no, it's tough. | ||
| It's not for everyone. | ||
| It's a hard way to make a living. | ||
| Yeah, and we all know so many guys who go the wrong way, where it didn't work out, or they stuck around too long. | ||
| Yeah, that's a shame. | ||
| I mean, like with you, one of the things is you still have your faculties about you 100%, so you're great at talking, you can articulate things well. | ||
| So many of the guys that we know, they get to a certain point, and then they keep going, and they should have stopped, and then they keep going even further, and they should have stopped, and then you run into them one day, and they'll say something to you, and then you keep talking, and they'll say that thing again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you realize, like, oh my god, they don't... | ||
| I'm laughing because I repeat myself sometimes. | ||
| But that's because I'm an idiot. | ||
| Not because of CTE or anything like that. | ||
| But I get accused of that a lot. | ||
| That's why I started laughing. | ||
| But yeah, it's sad. | ||
| But it's a tough way to make a living. | ||
| And people want to criticize the UFC or they want to criticize boxing. | ||
| We know what we're doing. | ||
| We know what we sign up for. | ||
| And we do it. | ||
| We welcome it with open arms. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Because this is our chance. | ||
| This is what we're good at. | ||
| This is what we're blessed with, these abilities, these talents. | ||
| So we do it, and it is a sacrifice, and you don't necessarily know at the time maybe what you might be signing up to in terms of your long-term health. | ||
| But that's the roll of the dice. | ||
| You dare to be great. | ||
| Yeah, it is a roll of the dice. | ||
| And the glory that someone gets from the fact that they accomplished something that just the tiniest percentage of people... | ||
| I mean, what fucking percentage of people on earth get to be a UFC champion? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's one of the smallest percentages of any accomplishment a person can do. | ||
| Yeah, but, you know... | ||
| These days, a lot of people... | ||
| Don't give it the respect that it should, that it deserves. | ||
| I'm talking about missing weight and things like that. | ||
| My son blew out his meniscus and he got heavy and then he got COVID. He got up to 220-something pounds. | ||
| He wrestles at 197. And he had a tournament come up and he had to cut weight. | ||
| He didn't get paid a penny, got no entourage with him, no team of people helping him cut weight. | ||
| But he still made weight and then wrestled 30 minutes later, wrestled like shit because of course you can't wrestle well. | ||
| And then he made weight again a few days later. | ||
| You see a lot of people coming in not making weight these days because it's cool. | ||
| They see it on TV. They want to be a part of it. | ||
| They want to be famous. | ||
| They want to make some money. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Fucking respect the sport. | ||
| Show upon weight and in shape. | ||
| Do you think that it's... | ||
| It's obviously there's a science to weight cutting. | ||
| Who did you work with? | ||
| Did you work with Lockhart or Dolce? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I worked with Dolce for a little bit. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a science to that shit, though. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely there is, yeah. | ||
| I mean, the guys that are really good at it, like Dolce and Lockhart, they know exactly how much water you should be taking in, exactly how much sodium they weigh you, they check your nutrients, they know what they're doing. | ||
| But some guys, they just think, I can make the weight. | ||
| I'm just going to sweat it out. | ||
| And it's dangerous. | ||
| Unfortunately, we haven't seen it in the UFC. A loss of life. | ||
| People die. | ||
| Yeah, a guy died in Brazil a few years back. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| I've felt like I've been close to death. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| At 85, right? | ||
| Yeah, at 85, yeah. | ||
| You know, but... | ||
| What were you walking around at when you were fighting 85? | ||
| It depends. | ||
| When I first went down there, I knew nothing about cutting weight. | ||
| So I actually dieted. | ||
| I saw Eddie Bravo, my first ever middleweight fight. | ||
| It was UFC 83, Sarah and GSP. I was fighting Charles McCarthy. | ||
| And I dieted down to 185 pretty much, about 188 because I was a fucking idiot. | ||
| The team I was with at the time didn't know anything about it. | ||
| And I remember I went down in the morning to have the weight checked, because they always used to bring you down early, see where you're at. | ||
| And I remember I got in the elevator and Eddie Bravo was there. | ||
| He said, how's the weight? | ||
| I said, I'm about 187, 188. He said, oh, how was the cut? | ||
| I said, oh, I haven't done a cut. | ||
| He said, what? | ||
| He said, you could make 170. I was like, shit, you're right. | ||
| So after I got knocked out of Dan Henderson, I'm like, hold on a minute, I've got to... | ||
| Got to change some things here. | ||
| So I started cutting. | ||
| If I got on a plane on the Tuesday to fly to whatever city it was, if I was 200 pounds, I was happy. | ||
| So 14 pounds. | ||
| So when you were 188, did you just kind of starve yourself and shrink everything down? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So did you feel weak? | ||
| Weaker? | ||
| Every time making 185, to be honest, you start the camp. | ||
| It's so detrimental to the sport, I think, cutting weight. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| I would love to see everybody move up. | ||
| I would too. | ||
| I would start my camp, I'd feel strong, I would feel great, and then by the end of it, I was so weak and pathetic. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I was getting thrown around the place. | ||
| Yeah, my cardio is good, but I'm not strong or explosive. | ||
| Just because you're draining yourself. | ||
| No carbs. | ||
| Working my ass off two, three times a day with no carbohydrates. | ||
| You're going to lose muscle. | ||
| You're going to get weak. | ||
| You're going to be overtrained. | ||
| That's exactly what I was doing. | ||
| And a lot of people, a lot of people do it the same way. | ||
| And it's kind of... | ||
| It's just moronic. | ||
| Do you think that when you fought Charles McCarthy and you get down to 188, was that as good? | ||
| Like, what was better? | ||
| Like, was it getting bigger and then drying yourself out and then rehydrating? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, yes. | ||
| That gives you a perceived size and strength advantage, but everybody's doing the same thing. | ||
| So you're not really at an advantage. | ||
| I remember I went down to 185 and I was like, oh, I'm going to pick on these little guys now. | ||
| And I squared up against, my second fight was Jason Day. | ||
| I remember seeing Jason Day in the office where he signed all the posters. | ||
| Motherfucker's taller than me. | ||
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What's all this shit? | |
| I thought I was fighting small guys. | ||
| Jason Day was good, too. | ||
| Remember when we fought Alan Belcher and finished him from the guard? | ||
| Yeah, that was good, yeah. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| It's just weird culture that we have, but we're kind of... | ||
| You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is a great way to put it because there's so many guys that do cut weight that you're forced into that situation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But... | ||
| I think, you know, I know one FC has tried to curb it. | ||
| I don't know exactly how effective it is. | ||
| But I know they've instituted some sort of a hydration protocol where you have to be hydrated and they check your weight. | ||
| It's the same at schools. | ||
| Wrestling, high school, there's hydration tests every so often. | ||
| There was supposed to be a rule, wasn't there, a while ago where you had to be within 20% of your weight. | ||
| You only had to be over by 20% of your body weight. | ||
| Right, like X amount of days outside of the fight. | ||
| But then it went away. | ||
| There was talk of that coming in, I think, from the California Athletic Commission, I think. | ||
| I think that's right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then it just went away. | ||
| There was also a thing about rehydrating. | ||
| Like, you couldn't rehydrate too much. | ||
| Like, you couldn't be X amount of percentage over what your weigh-in weight was. | ||
| Because everyone used to use IVs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then they took that away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But everyone still carried on doing the same amount of weight cuts. | ||
| You know the craziest thing I ever heard? | ||
| I know a guy who he took blood out of his body to make weight. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| It's crazy, isn't it? | ||
| But they put it back in after the weigh-in. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, so it's like blood doping. | ||
| Is that an advantage? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say it's blood doping. | ||
| I don't know how many days, like when they do blood doping, how many days do they keep it out of your body and let your body recover? | ||
| Let's find that out. | ||
| When someone does blood doping, how many days do they keep the blood out of their body before they put more back in? | ||
| Because the whole idea is like your body has a certain amount of blood that it likes to keep in your body. | ||
| So if you drain your body of like a few pints of blood, and then you have them sit in a refrigerator, and then your body replaces that blood, and then you put the whole blood in too. | ||
| You've got more blood. | ||
| You've got more blood. | ||
| More oxygen cells. | ||
| Right, which is like why the cyclists take EPO. Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I wonder, like, how long it takes for your body to make that blood, though. | ||
| Because you would think if, like, say if a guy, like, this guy that I had heard, I don't want to say his name, but I heard that he took two... | ||
| Chael Sonnen, just say it. | ||
| It's not Chael. | ||
| I'm joking, I'm joking. | ||
| It's not Chael. | ||
| But Chael would do it if it worked. | ||
| Damn right, he would. | ||
| I had a conversation with Chael right after he got popped, and he goes, you know those tests that they do? | ||
| Turns out they're really good. | ||
| Those tests are really good. | ||
| Hey, fair play, fair play. | ||
| He just owned it. | ||
| He's a funny fucking dude, man. | ||
| He's a funny guy. | ||
| He changed the game in terms of letting people know that shit-talking is incredibly profitable in MMA. Yeah. | ||
| Because before him and that shit that he would talk with Anderson Silva... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| That was legendary, though, wasn't it? | ||
| Legendary! | ||
| What was he, trying to feed the carrot to the bus? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Fucking... | ||
| Oh, that was with Minotaur. | ||
| That was hilarious. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| This is the most detailed explanation I can find of like two sentences. | ||
| Okay, what does it say? | ||
| I can't read that without my glasses. | ||
| Stored one to seven days before a high endurance event. | ||
| So like if a guy does that and makes weight and then they take the blood out, they store it for a day and they put it back in the next day, this is as a significant amount of iron is removed by each Autologous. | ||
| Autologous transfusion. | ||
| An adequate time for recovery is not less than three days. | ||
| Of not. | ||
| Oh, of not less than three days. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| From the last donation and appropriate iron supplements. | ||
| Oh, this is about iron. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Usually required for patients undergoing autologous donations. | ||
| Nearly 50% of autologous donations are not used by the donor and are discarded. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Anyway, so this guy, to make weight, they took bags of blood out of him, and one of my friends walked in, and they were doing it in the fucking hotel room, and one of my friends walked in and saw them taking blood. | ||
| He goes, what the fuck are you guys doing? | ||
| He's like, this is how he makes weight. | ||
| And how much blood are we talking? | ||
| It says, uh, a liter of water is one kilogram. | ||
| Well, a liter's a lot, man. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That's a lot of water. | ||
| And a liter of blood, 1.05 kilo. | ||
| Oh, just a little bit more than one kilogram. | ||
| Um, but I mean, how much can you take out? | ||
| But two pounds, that's real weight. | ||
| No, that's a lot. | ||
| I remember this reminding me of a story. | ||
| You know Dean Amasinga, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| Shout out to Dean. | ||
| Shout out to Dean. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| He's not going to like me telling this story, though, but it's true. | ||
| I was in Sydney. | ||
| And he's like, Mike, are you doing an IV after the fight? | ||
| I said, well, no, I wasn't going to. | ||
| I said, but I'd take one. | ||
| And he said, yeah, yeah, no worries. | ||
| I've got you. | ||
| I've got you covered. | ||
| I said, all right, great. | ||
| So he comes to the hotel room and he'd just done a course in it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So he wanted to do it. | ||
| Turns out his skills in doing IVs wasn't very good. | ||
| Start sticking fucking needles in my arm. | ||
| He messed it up and there was literally, literally... | ||
| Just a spray of blood coming. | ||
| And I'm standing there, I'm going, Dean, is this normal? | ||
| And he just covers it up with his finger. | ||
| And then he's like, he talks a little and then lets his finger off. | ||
| Blood spewing out again. | ||
| He goes, Mike, just cover that up. | ||
| I'm going to go get help. | ||
| And he comes up, he has to go get his buddy. | ||
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A nurse? | |
| Yeah, a nurse or whatever comes back and takes care of it. | ||
| I'm like, Jesus, Dean, I'm fighting tomorrow. | ||
| That nurse that you met, she gives me IV vitamins. | ||
| It's fucking complicated. | ||
| I've never done that stuff. | ||
| Do you feel good after it? | ||
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Oh, it's great. | |
| I learned it from Dave Chappelle. | ||
| Oh, in fact, no, I have done it, yeah. | ||
| You did do it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One training camp, yeah. | ||
| When I would go on the road with Dave, Dave Chappelle parties. | ||
| He's drinking all night, and then the next morning, he goes, Joe, come on onto my room. | ||
| We're going to do some IV vitamin transfusions. | ||
| And I go, is this what you do? | ||
| He goes, oh yeah, you gotta do that if you pardon. | ||
| And it gets rid of the hangover. | ||
| Yeah, because it does glutathione, zinc, vitamins. | ||
| I gotta try this. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I gotta try it. | ||
| And all the liquid too, just having all that IV, saline, getting into your system, rehydrate you well, but you feel fucking good. | ||
| I mean, it really brings you back. | ||
| Yeah, no, I will try it. | ||
| Where do you get that though? | ||
| If I say someone like me wanted to try that. | ||
| There's a service called driphydration.com that we would use in LA. I know that they travel to people. | ||
| They'll do that shit for you. | ||
| You're always doing that with your neck because it's still fucking you. | ||
| Yeah, I'm in pain all the time. | ||
| Is anything you can do other than surgery that helps that or you just have to? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Have you done spinal decompression or anything like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm my own worst enemy. | ||
| I have a guy going on at me all the time about doing some treatment on my neck. | ||
| I'm just too busy. | ||
| I haven't got time. | ||
| I'll be fine. | ||
| And a lot of the time it doesn't help. | ||
| I've done treatment and it hasn't helped. | ||
| I used to go to one place every week and get works on two, three times a week and it never made a difference. | ||
| Do you have, with your discs, is there disc tissue that bulges or is it deteriorated? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| It was just a nerve being pinched, I think. | ||
| Right, by a bulging disc, right? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I know a herniation, that's what it is. | ||
| But yeah, just the compressed nerve is just causing issues. | ||
| You might be able to get away with... | ||
| There's a thing called Regenikine that I did when I had a bulging disc. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I had a bulging disc to the point where it was making my fingers numb, like these two fingers, because it was the ulnar nerve, I guess, and it goes down through your elbows. | ||
| I would get elbow pain, and I wouldn't think... | ||
| My neck's fucked up. | ||
| I knew my neck was fucked up, but I was like, the elbow pain, what is this? | ||
| And when I got it checked out, it turned out that this disc was pushing against the nerves. | ||
| And that nerve was causing my finger to get numb. | ||
| And they fixed it with the thing called Regenikine. | ||
| That was like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant. | ||
| It's like a more advanced form of platelet-rich plasma. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So PRP treatments. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so they take your blood and they run it through the centrifuge and they treat it for, I think it's 10 hours. | ||
| And then the next day you come back and then they inject it into the sites. | ||
| Like they have these needles that they put into your neck. | ||
| And they have these little screw tops and they screw into the top of the needle and they push it in there and push it in there. | ||
| And it's pushing this liquid that is the most potent anti-inflammatory drug known to man, apparently. | ||
| And it's made from your own blood. | ||
| And so your body accepts it very quickly. | ||
| There's no worry about rejection. | ||
| And it causes those areas to relax and it causes the inflammation to die off. | ||
| And then the disc kind of goes back into place on its own. | ||
| It worked with me. | ||
| I had a fucked up neck like that for a whole year. | ||
| I remember you saying, I had an epidural just before, when was it? | ||
| October. | ||
| That worked. | ||
| Because I've had them in the past and it did nothing. | ||
| On this occasion, I did one and it worked. | ||
| It went fine. | ||
| The pain went away completely. | ||
| You might want to look into this before you go and get more surgery on your neck. | ||
| They might be able to fix it. | ||
| There's a place called Lifespan Medicine in Santa Monica. | ||
| I can't believe I couldn't remember the name. | ||
| Maybe I had a fucking head injury. | ||
| Lifespan. | ||
| I've gone to them dozens of times, and I've had stem cells done there, and PRP, or rather, Regenikine on my lower back, my mid-back, and my neck. | ||
| You have a lot of stuff done. | ||
| I'm proactive. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I'm the opposite. | ||
| I'm too old school like that. | ||
| I always have been. | ||
| I don't do anything. | ||
| I wish I stretched more when I was a kid, do you know what I mean? | ||
| Or when I was training because now I can't even reach back here to put my collar down when I put a tie on. | ||
| I'm a fucking mess. | ||
| And every Monday I'm like, okay, that's it. | ||
| Changing my workouts. | ||
| I'm going to do mobility training. | ||
| I'm going to do this and that and chest and biceps. | ||
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Let's go. | |
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah, try to look good. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Same shit. | ||
| You ever do yoga? | ||
| That's on the list as well. | ||
| I've been talking about it with my daughter because I'm too nervous to go. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Because I've never done it before and I don't want to walk into a room and it's all, you know, a bunch of hot chicks all in lycra and I'm walking in, belly hanging out, bloody trying to You know, so I said to my daughter, I said, would you mind, because she goes, she loves it. | ||
| I said, I'll come with you one time, would you mind? | ||
| She said, no, no, absolutely. | ||
| So, one day, one day this year, I'll do it. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| I know you love it. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I haven't done it in a long time, though, honestly. | ||
| I haven't done it since I moved out here. | ||
| But I found a place, I'm going to start doing it, because a lot of my comedian friends out here started doing yoga, and they're like, god damn, man, it changed my life. | ||
| Really, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a great workout, and it calms you down. | ||
| Who is it, the guy Nick, the jujitsu guy from South Africa, he had a great quote, Greek gentleman. | ||
| He said, yoga is a martial art that you do on yourself. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| See if you can find the... | ||
| So we could credit him with that quote because I fucking love that quote. | ||
| He was on the podcast way back in the Disney. | ||
| He used to be on London Real. | ||
| London Real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've heard of that. | ||
| It's a podcast. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was one of the co-hosts in the early days, but he left and then the guy who runs it now just loves himself. | ||
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Yoga. | |
| I've been talking about it for a while. | ||
| Got to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Got to give it a try. | ||
| How do you say his name? | ||
| Gregori... | ||
| Gregoriadis. | ||
| How do you say that? | ||
| Gregoriadis? | ||
| Nick Gregoriadis. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I hope I didn't fuck that up. | ||
| Sounds about right. | ||
| Very nice guy, though, and very talented jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| Much like you're doing yourself. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The fight is not against nature, the fight is against habits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tell me about that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm fighting against my habits every day. | ||
| Everybody is. | ||
| Fuck me. | ||
| That's the battle. | ||
| That's the battle with yourself. | ||
| But yoga, I mean, I found out about yoga from Hickson. | ||
| Watching Hickson in that Choke documentary, I was like, oh, that's one of his secrets. | ||
| One of his secrets is that he was so good at yoga. | ||
| And essentially you just get way more flexible as well, right? | ||
| Way more flexible, way more motion, way more mobility, way more range of motion. | ||
| And strength in unusual places. | ||
| Also the ability to breathe through tough positions. | ||
| I think that's very important because yoga involves a lot of breath work. | ||
| Did you see that documentary on, was it Bikram yoga? | ||
| That guy is crazy. | ||
| That guy is out of his fucking mind. | ||
| Out of his mind. | ||
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One drop of my sperm is worth a million dollars. | |
| People will give me a million dollars for one drop. | ||
| I mean, the bloody confidence of that guy. | ||
| I know. | ||
|
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Come on. | |
| And to say that with a camera on you? | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
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Imagine. | |
| Camera pointing at you. | ||
| He's like, my jizz is worth a million bucks a drop. | ||
| My god. | ||
| Yeah, no, he was kind of a character. | ||
| Yeah, kind of. | ||
| He's hiding. | ||
| Is he really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's on the run still. | ||
| Yeah, he's come to America. | ||
| If he comes to America, they're going to arrest him. | ||
| Made a lot of money, though. | ||
| Made a lot of money. | ||
| Made a lot of money. | ||
| But that's, the thing is, like, some people are not all bad. | ||
| Like, he's definitely, like, according to these ladies, he's a piece of shit, but he did bring, like, a style of yoga and popularized it to America, and I'm sure changed a lot of people's lives as well. | ||
| Yeah, he just got a little carried away. | ||
| Boy, he's fucking insane. | ||
| If you listen to him talk, the guy's an egomaniac. | ||
| I can't remember it too well. | ||
| I mean, I did watch it at the time when it came out. | ||
| But it's so contradictory to what you think about yoga. | ||
| You think of yoga as people being peaceful and kind and open-minded and loving, spiritual, and he's a fucking pervert. | ||
| He's talking about how much his jizz is worth and just trying to fuck everybody. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's a man. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| He's a man at the end of the day, let's be honest. | ||
| He's doing his yoga, he's doing all that, but... | ||
| It's all about the jizz, Joe. | ||
| It is a lot about the jizz. | ||
| But it's also him. | ||
| He's not like Bentleys and shit. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's not exactly the spiritual guru that you think he is. | ||
| Most of them aren't. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's hard to find the ones that really are. | ||
| There's one that I follow on Instagram now called Sad Guru. | ||
| Yeah, he's coming on soon. | ||
| Is he really? | ||
| Yeah, I follow him too. | ||
| I'm actually just finishing one of his books. | ||
| Right, oh really? | ||
| Yeah, he seems very wise and very legit, but you never know. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That was the comparison I was making. | ||
| I follow him. | ||
| I like what he says. | ||
| The quotes that he comes out with definitely make me think all the time. | ||
| We both posted the same video. | ||
| It was like a video. | ||
| One of the things that he was talking about. | ||
| I forget what it was. | ||
| But we both posted it. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Struck a nerve with both of us. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a lot of those. | ||
| There's quite a few of those online where he says some really interesting shit, but so did that Osho guy, that guy who ran that cult up in... | ||
| Oh, here he is. | ||
| Oh, yeah, this is it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Play that real quick, Jamie. | ||
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Your whole life is happening between these three dimensions. | |
| Memory, present experience, and imagination. | ||
| This is your life, isn't it? | ||
| These are three dimensions. | ||
| We call them Trikala. | ||
| Three dimensions of time, all your experience of life is happening here. | ||
| But if you lose distinction between what is past, what is present, what is future, then everything hurts. | ||
| But not everybody, terrible things have happened. | ||
| Unfortunately, for a few people, they have happened. | ||
| But the rest of the people are simply suffering something, isn't it? | ||
| Because it's fashionable to suffer. | ||
| People think if they're suffering, they are very intellectual, they are very profound. | ||
| No, it's just stupid because you're suffering something that doesn't exist. | ||
| You're not suffering what's happening right now. | ||
| You're suffering what happened yesterday and you're suffering something that may happen tomorrow already. | ||
| So this madness has been encouraged simply because we never train people how to use their faculties. | ||
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Your whole life is... | |
| Interesting. | ||
| So true. | ||
| I mean, how many people know how to think about things correctly, how to manage the way your mind works? | ||
| It's very important, especially if you're stressed out. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But as you said, it is very fashionable these days to be suffering, you know? | ||
| It is. | ||
| A little bit of attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going through hard times. | ||
| Yeah, and they left a wallow in it. | ||
| Oh, I feel sorry for themselves. | ||
| I need to pee again, Joe. | ||
| Go ahead, brother. | ||
| I drank a lot of coffee. | ||
| Yeah, listen, I did too. | ||
| You're all good. | ||
| We'll be right back once again, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| When you were fighting, you got water now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you were fighting, did you follow any specific nutrition program or anything? | ||
| I would love to say yes. | ||
| And I know I'm not sounding very smart here, but I was just, no, I didn't. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Just old school. | ||
| Fucking old school. | ||
| You're old school to the fucking bones. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I'm an idiot. | ||
| I'm an idiot. | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| I mean, a few times I've worked with nutritionists. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like I remember when I first moved here, I got up to like 237 pounds. | ||
| I was fine at 185 against Mayhem Miller in eight weeks. | ||
| And it wasn't a pretty sight either. | ||
| There's not a jacked 237 pounds. | ||
| A Tyson Fury 237? | ||
| Yes, there you go. | ||
| You nailed it, Joe. | ||
| And yeah, so I worked with this nutritionist and it was essentially just a keto diet, even though that name wasn't popularized back then. | ||
| I'm sure it was around, but it wasn't the buzzword what it is now, but essentially it was just a keto diet, yeah. | ||
| The problem with that diet is for the adaptation period, right after you start it, a lot of people have a really hard time working out. | ||
| Oh, it was horrible. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| I would show up and it would be like, everything was like, in quicksand or underwater, you know, it was just so labored. | ||
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No carbs. | |
| No carbs, no energy, no recovery, body aching head to toe. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| It's a hard way to train and get ready for a fight. | ||
| Yeah, I think for high-level performers, it's pretty much been established that you need carbohydrates. | ||
| Have to have it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have to. | ||
| Problem is, you know, too many carbs makes you gain weight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even my friend Zach Bitter, he holds the world record for the fastest 100 miles run on a track. | ||
| He ran 100 miles in, I think it was 11 hours and 40 minutes. | ||
| And he did it running under a 7 minute mile. | ||
| So that's like four marathons, almost. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| And what was the time again? | ||
| I think, we'll find out what Zach's time was. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| He just moved to Austin, too. | ||
| I mean, just running 100 miles, period. | ||
| Regardless of how fast or slow, is wild. | ||
| It's wild, yeah. | ||
| I want to say 11, 18. 11 hours and 18 minutes? | ||
| He's got a couple hundred mile records. | ||
| He's also got the one on the treadmill, and that's the one that popped up first. | ||
| Oh, what's that one? | ||
| 12 hours, 32 minutes. | ||
| Yeah, he's definitely ran faster on track. | ||
| I think it was 11 hours. | ||
| Hold on, so running on the track was faster than the treadmill? | ||
| It was probably his first one, the first time he did it. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Because typically, a treadmill's assist. | ||
| A little easier, yeah. | ||
| Unless, yeah, have you ever used those ones like the Air Runner? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, that's fucking great. | ||
| Okay, current world record holder, 11 hours and 19 minutes, that's it, in 13 seconds. | ||
| 100 miles. | ||
| So that's an under 7 minute mile. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| For 11 fucking hours and 19 minutes. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| But what I was going to get to is that he eats mostly meat. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| He's on like a carnivore diet. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So he mostly eats like fatty ribeye steaks. | ||
| Which is bizarre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Considering the amount that he runs. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But he thinks it's the most nutrient-dense food and then when he goes to compete and do things like that, he'll take like glucose gels and he'll eat things like that where he gets plenty of glucose, plenty of carbohydrates. | ||
| It's like the day of a big event. | ||
| But for the most part, his diet consists of mostly red meat. | ||
| So when he's going to Compete, he carbs up. | ||
| Yeah, he carbs up like before a big event, like running a hundred miles. | ||
| But why only meat? | ||
| Just simply because that's what he likes and thinks it's the healthiest? | ||
| I think it really depends upon you. | ||
| I think for some people, a vegetable-based diet or a pescatarian diet or some people, it's great. | ||
| You did it for a while, didn't you? | ||
| I'm doing it now. | ||
| Doing it now? | ||
| That's all I do now. | ||
| I gave up on other diets. | ||
| I mean, I'll occasionally have a cheeseburger or some shit. | ||
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So what do you have for breakfast? | |
| Steak. | ||
| Steak and eggs? | ||
| Steak and eggs, yeah. | ||
| I take plenty of vitamins. | ||
| I'll do athletic greens. | ||
| Mix that for water. | ||
| I get vitamins from that. | ||
| I also have berries and fruit. | ||
| I'll eat apples and bananas and stuff like that, but that's it. | ||
| I don't fuck with any bread. | ||
| I don't fuck with any carbohydrates like pasta and stuff like that. | ||
| It's delicious though. | ||
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The best. | |
| The best, I know, I know. | ||
| The most delicious. | ||
| Bread and pasta, it is the enemy. | ||
| It is, but I eat the same shit every day. | ||
| I try and go until about 2 o'clock, 2 p.m. | ||
| in the afternoon. | ||
| Oh, so intermittent fast. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not every day. | ||
| Not every day. | ||
| And I'm not psycho with it, but I try to. | ||
| Because I just feel more alert when I haven't eaten when I'm fasting. | ||
| But then it's always chicken sausages, eggs, bacon. | ||
| That's it, yeah. | ||
| And then a little low-carb wrap. | ||
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That's not bad. | |
| Because I've got to roll it up and make a little sandwich out of it. | ||
| But yeah, yeah. | ||
| If you put a bowl of spaghetti with like sausage in front of me, I will scarf that motherfucker down. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's my weakness is pasta and pizza. | ||
| I eat pretty good. | ||
| But... | ||
| Well, you stayed lean. | ||
| I drink too much still. | ||
| I don't drink a lot. | ||
| I don't get hammered. | ||
| I know I have this reputation, but I don't go out getting shit-faced. | ||
| I used to. | ||
| I used to. | ||
| That's for damn sure. | ||
| But I still have a little bit of wine in the evening, which is pointless. | ||
| You're fucking fasting all day, but you're not fasting because you're drinking wine right before you go to bed. | ||
| You shouldn't eat three hours before. | ||
| I know you're not supposed to, but when I have a steak with a glass of wine, it makes me so happy. | ||
| You've got to have a glass of red wine with a steak. | ||
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I love it. | |
| Come on. | ||
| It tastes so good. | ||
| It's like, what are we doing here? | ||
| I know, that's what we're doing here. | ||
| I can't have a fucking glass Right, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| With a steak? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
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Are you serious? | |
| What the fuck's the point? | ||
| I'm going to work my ass off and get to this point in my life and not allow myself to have a glass of wine. | ||
| I remember watching George. | ||
| There was a video that they did, one of those UFC Unleashed or whatever the fuck it was. | ||
| It was like they would interview him while he was on his training camp and then they went out to dinner with him. | ||
| And then he was having a glass of wine after training. | ||
| He was like, I don't think there's anything wrong with a glass of wine after a long training session. | ||
| It's a good Joseph Pierre. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| No, it's good. | ||
| It's better if he was right here. | ||
| I'd listen to it. | ||
| Are you intoxicated? | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
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That's what he said to you. | |
| Yeah, that's what he said to me. | ||
| You were a little... | ||
| I fucking was, without a shadow of a doubt. | ||
| Without a shadow of a doubt. | ||
| I'm in Las Vegas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're not fighting. | ||
| We haven't even got a date. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We haven't even got a date for the fight. | ||
| If you man up and tell me a date for the fight, I'll switch on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I'm in Las Vegas. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I've got nothing to do. | ||
| You have a couple of beers. | ||
| And one leads to another and from there it's a slippery slope and then all of a sudden you're showing up for a press conference late. | ||
| Michael, you're intoxicated. | ||
| What is your problem? | ||
| Shut up, George. | ||
| Leave me alone. | ||
| Stop bullying me. | ||
| But George would drink a glass of wine. | ||
| He would have a nice glass of wine. | ||
| It's good for you. | ||
| Yeah, he would do that. | ||
| He would do that when he was training. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, in the middle of camp, he'd have a glass of wine. | ||
| Supposed to be good for you. | ||
| Good for your heart. | ||
| I think when you're training that much, whatever negative aspect, whatever negative thing the alcohol does, it's probably balanced out by the fact that it relaxes you. | ||
| You know, it takes a little of the edge off. | ||
| Maybe sleep a little easier. | ||
| I never used to drink in camp, ever. | ||
| But there was always one night where I'd fuck up. | ||
| Every camp, there was always one night. | ||
| And it would start with that, I'll have a glass of wine. | ||
| And then a second glass of wine. | ||
| And the next minute, I've done two bottles. | ||
| I'm like, shit! | ||
| How far out? | ||
| Oh, halfway through the camp, you know. | ||
| Well, Jon Jones said a thing that was really interesting when I talked to him. | ||
| He said that he would self-sabotage before a fight, so he'd give himself an excuse if he lost. | ||
| I've seen people do that. | ||
| There was a guy, a friend of mine, shall remain nameless, and MMA was his life, and he was so talented, he was so good, and he got an opportunity to go on The Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| Well, sorry, he was going to, you know, they have those auditions. | ||
| But he had a great personality, a tremendous wrestler, sick jiu-jitsu, good striking. | ||
| He would have killed it. | ||
| The night before, because I was doing something, I came back, and the morning he was going to the airport, he could hardly string a sentence together. | ||
| He was so fucked up. | ||
| And he would do things like that every time. | ||
| Me and my wife were saying, why does he self-sabotage? | ||
| Like that. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Common trait. | ||
| Some people just do. | ||
| Well, some people, the pressure of performance is just too great. | ||
| Their mind plays tricks on them and they, like, you know, Sadhguru had to say, some people just don't know how to use their faculties. | ||
| And so when their mind plays tricks on them and they start having all the stress that they have to handle, they don't know how to just relax and just go, yep, this is part of the process. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| An easier way to confront the failure. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| As opposed to them just not being good enough. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They've got a reason why they failed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, John admitted that. | ||
| I mean, it was easy for him to admit because he never lost, right? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Because he had done that every time but never lost. | ||
| But then, you know, that's the thing. | ||
| Like, what is going on there? | ||
| Like, why are you doing that? | ||
| Like, why are you partying the week before a giant fight? | ||
| Like, one of the things that he said with Daniel Cormier was kind of hilarious. | ||
| He goes, I did coke and kicked your ass. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| That's a little insulting, isn't it? | ||
| You know, you take yourself very seriously, and this guy's out there doing cocaine and partying all week. | ||
| And fucking up everybody, man. | ||
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It's wild. | |
| It's wild. | ||
| When he was at the top... | ||
| His fucking talent was so undeniable. | ||
| I remember I was in Newark when he fought Shogun. | ||
| And so he's 22 years old. | ||
| He's fighting for the title. | ||
| Youngest ever champion. | ||
| And Shogun was a legend. | ||
| He opens up the fight with a flying knee. | ||
| A flying knee. | ||
| And he just destroyed it. | ||
| Beat the shit out of Shogun. | ||
| The fact that he was that young and that good. | ||
| What do you think he does at heavyweight? | ||
| We have to see. | ||
| It's a different world. | ||
| It's a different world, first of all, that he doesn't have to cut weight anymore. | ||
| So maybe he's way healthier. | ||
| Maybe it's way better. | ||
| But it's a different world with the power. | ||
| I mean, if he goes right into Ngannou, if they set that up right away, I mean... | ||
| I don't know what's ever happened to him in training camp, what kind of giant heavyweights he's ever sparred with. | ||
| Maybe he's been hit by big guys like that before. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| John always could take a tremendous shot. | ||
| He said at the Hall of Fame thing, right before he got arrested, that he was 265. Yeah. | ||
| I mean, is that going to slow him down? | ||
| He's going to be the same? | ||
| He's going to have an effect on his cardio? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| What is he going to do at heavyweight? | ||
| There's so many questions. | ||
| I would assume that he's going to do great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, listen. | ||
| He's a great fighter. | ||
| Look how great he's been in the past. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| That's not going to go away. | ||
| This isn't going to go away. | ||
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No. | |
| The aggression, the ability to pull the trigger when he needs. | ||
| So what is going to be a bit bigger? | ||
| Well, all the intel that I've ever got from guys that train with him has said he would ragdoll heavyweights. | ||
| And he was doing it while he was a light heavyweight champion. | ||
| He would throw heavyweights around. | ||
| People are like, you don't know how good John really is. | ||
| Out of camp, light heavyweights are heavyweights. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's probably walking around 230, 235. That's a good size heavyweight. | ||
| Compared to Kane, right? | ||
| Kane with a significant amount of body fat was always in the 240s. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he's one of the greatest of all time. | ||
| I mean, look at Fedor. | ||
| When Fedor was at his top, he was like that, about 240. Oh, Fedor could have made 205 easily. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Not that big a guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of guys that just don't want to cut the weight or... | ||
| They didn't have to. | ||
| That's what I was just about to say. | ||
| They're comfortable. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I don't need to do that. | ||
| I want to fight the bigger guys. | ||
| I want to be a heavyweight. | ||
| It's an interesting conversation. | ||
| It's like, what is the optimum weight for heavyweight? | ||
| Everybody would say it was around 240 until Ngannou came around. | ||
| And then you're like, you do not want to give up 25 pounds of that, man. | ||
| Greg Hardy started his cut on Tuesday at 295 pounds. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| 295. I mean, what are you doing? | ||
| I mean, I'm not criticizing the man. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| He's just a big guy, obviously. | ||
| Oh, he's huge. | ||
| You're a heavyweight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You don't have to cut weight. | ||
| But then you cut, all right, maybe a few pounds. | ||
| I know Taito Avasa does a few pounds. | ||
| There's lots of heavyweights that are over 265. Yeah. | ||
| But coming in and having to do a 30-pound weight cut as a heavyweight, that's insane. | ||
| Yeah, how about fucking Tai Tuivasa taking out Derrick Lewis like that? | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Wasn't that wild? | ||
| He's really turned the corner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's really turned the corner. | ||
| I mean, he's always been a great fighter and fun to watch, but there's something over the last, like, four fights, that fucking guy's really turned the corner. | ||
| Well, he's been in training in Dubai. | ||
| And I don't know if that's what it is. | ||
| I don't know if he's technically getting better or things like that. | ||
| But he's definitely been in Dubai for a while. | ||
| Came to the UFC, was doing great. | ||
| Had flying knee knockouts and stuff like that. | ||
| And then lost to Sergei Pavlovich, was it? | ||
| I think he got choked out by him. | ||
| He had a couple of bad losses. | ||
| And he was like, uh, alright. | ||
| But then now, now he looks like a... | ||
| He is a contender. | ||
| Doesn't look like a contender. | ||
| He's a contender. | ||
| You beat Derek Lewis like that, you're top three, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| It's a face planted in Houston. | ||
| I know in his hometown What that fight was crazy watching on television but the roar of the crowd and the commentary and everything you couldn't hear the thuds of the shots Somebody has a video. | ||
| It seems like cell phone video that is like right in Like right there, cage side. | ||
| Of Lewis hitting him on the ground? | ||
| No, both of them hitting each other. | ||
| They're in the middle of the slugfest. | ||
| It's like a shitty cell phone video, but you hear the whoomp, whoomp, the shots they were landing on each other. | ||
| Because those shots that Lewis hit Ty with when he was down, I was like, oh, because I like Ty. | ||
| I mean, how can you not like Ty? | ||
| And I like Derrick Lewis, of course, as well. | ||
| But I just, I know Ty a little bit better. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| We're friendly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I was like, oh, fuck, poor guy. | ||
| He survived it, though. | ||
| He's about to be finished. | ||
| And he just said, nope. | ||
| Screw this. | ||
| And then come up guns blazing, just swinging for the fences when he stood up. | ||
| He didn't like stand up and run and try to get out of there. | ||
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No, no. | |
| He got up and fought fire with fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the shots that he ate from the biggest knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division. | ||
| Derek Lewis has knocked out more human beings than anyone in the history of the fucking sport. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Clean as well. | ||
| Oh, dead. | ||
| Curtis Blades? | ||
| No, no, no, but I mean without juice. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Without juice. | ||
| Dude, he told me he has low testosterone. | ||
| Like Vitor Belfort, he was 12. You know, when he beat, who did Derek knockout? | ||
| UFC 12. Dorcas, Chris Dorcas. | ||
| When he beat Chris Dorcas, I interviewed him on the mic and he said, I said, you've now got 30 knockouts in the UFC, the most in history. | ||
| He said, yeah, clean as well. | ||
| He did do it clean, yeah. | ||
| And he told me when he was on the podcast that he got tested and he has low testosterone. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I was like, how the fuck do you have low testosterone? | ||
| How is that even possible? | ||
| When we used to have UFC Tonight, you know that show on Wednesday night? | ||
| They had a little phase, they had one of those old punch bag machines. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like you see at the fairground? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then everyone that came on, you know, we would put them on that. | ||
| Derry Lewis hit that thing, right? | ||
| And I swear to God, when the ball goes up and hits like the frame, you know, the metal thing, the thing, say if this is the base, When it hit, ever so slightly came off the ground. | ||
| That's how hard he hit that fucking ball. | ||
| Hit it like that and then just a little bit off the ground. | ||
| I was like, holy shit. | ||
| I would like to see him punch that machine that the Apex Center has. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, that Francis Ngannou has a record for punching it. | ||
| 40 miles an hour or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that's real though. | ||
| No, me neither. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| I think the math is screwy. | ||
| You know why the math is screwy? | ||
| Because I beat that with a kick. | ||
| Whatever that number is that he hit with a punch. | ||
| Oh, I saw that. | ||
| Yeah, I hit it harder with a kick. | ||
| So there's no way I kick like an escort. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| And it was only a roundhouse kick. | ||
| It wasn't like a turning sidekick or anything. | ||
| So I think their math... | ||
| Like when Dana was saying that, I was like, Dana, you might want to stop saying that. | ||
| Just check your facts. | ||
| Yeah, I think you might want to talk to a scientist. | ||
| It's not like Dana and I are out there with lab coats on. | ||
| No, for sure, exactly. | ||
| And who's tested how hard a Ford Escort hits as well? | ||
| Who's getting hit by it? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think so. | ||
| I think if they drove a Ford Escort going 30 miles an hour into that fucking punch machine, that shit would obliterate. | ||
| Yeah, it would obliterate. | ||
| The thing would just fly apart. | ||
| There's no way that's the same amount of force. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| Into a fist? | ||
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No way. | |
| Come on, you're gonna go through the person. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, there's no way. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| I mean, it's fucking crazy power. | ||
| Yes, undoubtedly. | ||
| Crazy power. | ||
| But there's no way. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have bad memories hitting those things. | ||
| I remember at a fairground. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I missed and I hit the bass. | ||
| I did that. | ||
| I fucked my knuckle up. | ||
| I did the same thing. | ||
| I hit the thing on top of it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, those things are stupid. | ||
| There's a funny video though of a girl doing it, and she swings and hits her boyfriend right in the face, and his face is so far away from that bag, you gotta go, I wonder... | ||
| I was gonna say, how do you miss that and hit your boyfriend in the face? | ||
| She stepped in, like stepped forward, swung, missed the bag entirely, and hit him right in the chin. | ||
| If I was him, and I saw that video, I'd be super suspicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I haven't seen it. | ||
| Can we get it up, Jamie, by any chance? | ||
| I would like to see this because I'm trying to give some input on it. | ||
| I mean, it could be just terrible timing and bad luck and all the above, but there's something about the way she connects right on his fucking face that makes me wonder. | ||
| I'm going to say a good shot as well. | ||
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That's a good shot. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Not a bad shot. | ||
| I mean, she steps into it and everything. | ||
| Misses the bag. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Look how far away his face is. | ||
| He's nowhere near. | ||
| Nowhere near. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Oh, come on! | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Do you think that was one of those, you know, these stupid social media pranks where they're trying to pretend? | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Let me see it again, Jamie? | ||
| Let me see if he really gets hit. | ||
| Let's break it down. | ||
| We'll figure it out here. | ||
| Yeah, here we go. | ||
| Let's break it down. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| He's nice and slow. | ||
| What's he looking at? | ||
| He's looking at the bag. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| Or looking at the counter, maybe. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he wants to see what her number is. | ||
| Why is he there? | ||
| Because he's her boyfriend. | ||
| That's not the best place to stand. | ||
| Well, it's not a bad place to stand if someone's actually hitting the bag. | ||
| It's the best place to stand to be in frame. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Okay, let's see the impact. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Slow it down. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| It's an uppercut as well. | ||
| Oh, no, it's a hook. | ||
| She fucking hits him, bro. | ||
| But also for the views. | ||
| But it's a hook. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So, if I'm trying to hit the microphone there, she's coming off to the side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's not even aimed at the bag now. | ||
| She already turned towards him. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| But she's looking at the back, dude. | ||
| Well, look, watch her feet. | ||
| But there's no way she could miss. | ||
| Watch her feet as she turns towards him. | ||
| Okay, here we go. | ||
| Here's the wind-up. | ||
| She's just getting closer and closer and closer to him. | ||
| I think she just sucks. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I think she sucks and she hit him right in the face. | ||
| Dude, I think she sucks and she hit him right in the face. | ||
| Or she fucking hates him and she wanted to hit him. | ||
| I mean, if you swing a punch... | ||
| Hard as you can and you don't know what you're doing, you're going to be off balance. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to miss. | ||
| If you're swinging no haymakers. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| I mean, it's a bad mess, but it's not... | ||
| I don't know, Joe. | ||
| Implausible. | ||
| I think you really want to believe this. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| I think it's totally... | ||
| I mean, what kind of man lets a woman haul off and punch him in the face like that just for a TikTok video? | ||
| Oh, you get that money. | ||
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There's a lot of money. | |
| How much money? | ||
| Depends on how viral you go. | ||
| Oh, come on. | ||
| How viral is that? | ||
| But people would just share that and steal it. | ||
| And now we're talking about it on this show. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And who would do that? | ||
| But this is Jamie. | ||
| Jamie is Captain Tinfoil. | ||
| He puts that tinfoil hat on for every video. | ||
| Somebody told me on Twitter today, make sure you bring your tinfoil hat today. | ||
| Oh, that's funny. | ||
| Yeah, they think I talk about a lot of conspiracy theories. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I guess I do. | ||
| But if you look, if you talk... | ||
| We're the conspiracy guys. | ||
| We think this is a conspiracy. | ||
| You're like, no, it's true. | ||
| It seems true to me. | ||
| I don't know, Joe. | ||
| The way he hits her, or she hits him rather, she's hitting him full blast right in the kisser. | ||
| And he takes it well. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I mean, what if that video keeps going on and he just crumples to his knees? | ||
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Yeah, no, exactly. | |
| There's a lot of delayed knockouts. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Smacks her back. | ||
| There's some good fucking fights this weekend, Mike. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Rafael Dos Anjos is fighting Renato Moicano. | ||
| That's another good one. | ||
| I think that's a catchweight fight. | ||
| 160. 160. Yeah, why is that? | ||
| Who took it short notice? | ||
| Moicano? | ||
| Tuesday. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Took it on Tuesday, yeah. | ||
| I think I'm right in saying that. | ||
| I'm pretty confident in saying that. | ||
| Who is supposed to fight? | ||
| Raphael Fazeev. | ||
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Oh. | |
| He's got COVID. Oh, he's got COVID? Yeah, he's got COVID, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I saw a tweet from him. | ||
| I'm in a picture. | ||
| He's in bed. | ||
| He's got chills. | ||
| Oh, that's... | ||
| His bones are aching and stuff. | ||
| So, yeah, he just flew from Thailand, I think, to get here. | ||
| Got here and came down with COVID. Oh, that sucks. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| I thought Islam was gonna step in. | ||
| That would have been amazing. | ||
| Oh my god, if he just fought and then fought again. | ||
| But he's so close to a title shot, that seems crazy. | ||
| Like, what if he turns an ankle and fucks his, you know, who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's right there. | ||
| I feel like, I feel like, also I heard Dana say that Islam's gonna fight Benil Dariush next. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
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Yes. | |
| I asked him that in the ring. | ||
| I said, would you contemplate that fight again? | ||
| I forget what he said now. | ||
| I think he said, no. | ||
| He said, no, I'm just focusing on the belt. | ||
| But then Dana said this week that Conor will probably fight for the belt. | ||
| He probably said may fight for the belt upon his return. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| Islam Makhachev must fight Benil Darius next since he turned down Rafael dos Anjos. | ||
| Oh, so he turned him down this week? | ||
| After he allegedly flip-flopped on a short-notice replacement fight on Saturday. | ||
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What? | |
| So he's punishing him for not doing something stupid? | ||
| Because that's not a wise move to fight in the main event. | ||
| You're right about to fight for the title. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Wow, he put his hand up to fight Dos Anjos in a bout that has been cancelled three times before. | ||
| Dos Anjos was all in on the situation. | ||
| Even offered to move up to welterweight to alleviate the pressure of Makachev for a big weight cut The momentum died there though because shortly thereafter was confirmed that Hanata Moicano would fight Dos Anjos the former UFC champ and Makachev Subsequently blamed each other for the falling out UFC president Dana White offers some clarity and He pointed the finger at Makachev and said that his team said the fight is not happening He said I thought we had it done well | ||
| White said, when I went to bed one of the nights before, I thought it was done. | ||
| Woke up the next morning and found out that Makachev turned it down. | ||
| The thing is, if Makachev beat Dos Anjos right after he beat Bobby Green like that, I mean, he's undeniable. | ||
| There's no question. | ||
| I mean, he's on a 10-fight win streak as it is. | ||
| And he looks like a monster. | ||
| I mean, it seems like a good fight for him. | ||
| Like, Dos Anjos, no disrespect, but it seems like for Makachev, he looks so good. | ||
| The way he looked against Drew Dober, the way he looked against Dan Hooker, I mean, he's a fucking killer, man. | ||
| I talked myself into thinking that Bobby Green was going to have a real shot in that fight. | ||
| I thought, oh, you look at the wrestling that Bobby's got. | ||
| You know, he's going to come into this one with no pressure. | ||
| He's got nothing to lose. | ||
| Everybody's already kissing his ass. | ||
| What a warrior stepping up last minute. | ||
| He can box. | ||
| He's got experience. | ||
| I'm like, Bobby Green might do this. | ||
| He fucking went straight through him like he was nothing. | ||
| No offense, Bobby. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| I would like to see Bobby Green fight him with a full camp. | ||
| You know, when Bobby Green had just gotten off of the fight of Hasparat, and he fought a tough fight, goes the full distance, three rounds, and then right after that, it's like a short amount of time later, you know, he gets 10 days notice to fight Makachev, and I think he was like 190-something before he began the cut. | ||
| Well, the thing is, I mean, what was so impressive about Makachev was because You know, you're up against a fence, you're fighting for underhooks and all the rest of it. | ||
| And that typically becomes a little bit of a stalemate there. | ||
| But when he level changed from having an underhook, level changed to the legs, people try and do that. | ||
| But normally, people get an underhook in, and that's it. | ||
| You can't get it. | ||
| But the speed of what Islam did it in was just... | ||
| It was like lightning. | ||
| Like lightning. | ||
| It was just... | ||
| His control, too. | ||
| And he had his hands together. | ||
| Fuck, his control is epic. | ||
| But Bobby did avoid the takedown, the first takedown attempt. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And, you know, Bobby... | ||
| See, I just... | ||
| It's so hard, man. | ||
| When a guy takes a fight on 10 days notice, I say to the man who won the UFC middleweight title on, what, 11 days notice? | ||
| How many days notice did you get? | ||
| It was two weeks notice, but I still had to finish filming this movie I was on. | ||
| So I had a couple of days filming still. | ||
| I don't know, two weeks. | ||
| Yeah, so somewhere in the same range, and you won the title. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Stalin's main fight, though. | ||
| It's like Makachev ain't gonna stand and go toe-to-toe with you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if he does, the thing is, he can do that, too. | ||
| That's the thing about Makachev. | ||
| His stand-up is elite. | ||
| It's very good. | ||
| It's very fucking good. | ||
| But ten fights in a row, I mean, it would have been great. | ||
| It would have been really impressive and sexy and great for the fans if you did that. | ||
| Because I thought that would be the fight that UFC would try and make, and it looks like it was. | ||
| If Dana said that, that Makachev now has to fight Benil Darius before he can fight for the title, I think that sets up a Conor fight. | ||
| I think that might be why he did it. | ||
| Well, that's probably why, let's be honest. | ||
| Because Conor was at Bellator last Friday, and he did an interview, and he said, yeah, I think I'm coming back and fighting for the belt. | ||
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It's kind of crazy. | |
| Oh no, it's wild, but, but... | ||
| If you want the company, would you want that to happen? | ||
| You probably would, let's be honest. | ||
| Because the reality is, Conor's best days are long gone. | ||
| They're behind him. | ||
| You know, you can't stay at the top forever. | ||
| Probably, probably. | ||
| Well, the last fight, listen, we've got to look at it this way. | ||
| It takes a long time off. | ||
| The cowboy fight is very quick. | ||
| You don't get to see what's really going on. | ||
| And then Dustin fucks him up. | ||
| And Dustin fucked him up with calf kicks. | ||
| His leg was destroyed. | ||
| That's one of the best examples of a calf kick winning the fight. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And then, of course, beautiful combination. | ||
| It starts off with that right hand, rocks him, puts him away, knocks him out, no questions asked. | ||
| Then he comes into the second fight with a hairline fracture already in his shin. | ||
| And then fights and his leg snaps. | ||
| He falls back. | ||
| It's very unsatisfying. | ||
| It is unsatisfying. | ||
| And then he has a year off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, who knows what he's like now? | ||
| I mean, his fucking shin has a bolt in it forever. | ||
| He's got these plates on his shin trying to... | ||
| Glue the whole thing together. | ||
| And it's a year later, a year out of his prime. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| He hasn't sparred. | ||
| I'll tell you this, though. | ||
| If there's a person that you put him against in the top five to beat, it would be Charles Oliveira. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Charles is hittable. | ||
| And Conor can still fucking hit. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He's fast. | ||
| You know, Charles is hittable. | ||
| He's hittable, but he can take it too, man. | ||
| He's not going to wrestle? | ||
| Oh, no, he can't take it. | ||
| He can take it, man. | ||
| The fact that he survived both Dustin's onslaught, where he really looked like he was going to get put away, and Michael Chandler. | ||
| Chandler had him hurt bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Survives that and then comes out and starches Chandler in the second round. | ||
| Yeah, but he's not Superman. | ||
| He's not Superman, but God damn, he's ferocious. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, like, who else is there? | ||
| I mean, Gagey. | ||
| Gagey never uses his bloody wrestling anyway, so... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Islam wouldn't be good. | ||
| Who else is there? | ||
| Chandler would probably wrestle him. | ||
| So in terms of stylistic matchup... | ||
| Gagey's very dangerous for a guy like Conor. | ||
| If Conor, if Gaethje beats Oliveira, Gaethje versus Conor is a dangerous fight for Conoco. | ||
| Who the fuck kicks your legs better than Gaethje? | ||
| Oh shit, I never thought of that. | ||
| I thought you were talking about his boxing. | ||
| His boxing's ferocious too. | ||
| Yeah, no, I forgot. | ||
| You're right though. | ||
| The calf kicks, the leg kicks. | ||
| His leg kicks are some of the best in the game. | ||
| And he also is a great wrestler too. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And Gaethje will kick your leg from inside a tie-up, which is crazy. | ||
| You ever see him do that? | ||
| No, I have. | ||
| His hips are so flexible. | ||
| He could throw those tight leg kicks from like grabbing inside. | ||
| He's got like an over-under on you and he fucking kicks your legs. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy. | ||
| His highlight reel like is some of the best leg kicking I've ever seen in the lightweight division. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| And he did it to Guys like Edson Barbosa lights his legs up. | ||
| I'm just saying though, there's a potential that Conor comes back, beats Charles Oliveira and becomes champion again. | ||
| Because that is, and then that's, I don't think I could deal with the world if that happened. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Ireland would have a fucking parade that would last a month long. | ||
| But it might happen. | ||
| It might happen. | ||
| Listen, if Conor connects on anybody's mug. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| He's still got that left hand. | ||
| He's still got power and speed in it. | ||
| What Farras Ahabi calls the touch of death. | ||
| Is that what he calls it? | ||
| That's what Frost da Hobby is. | ||
| He's got that touch of death. | ||
| Kind of does. | ||
| Kind of does. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| It's diminished a little bit because it happens. | ||
| Well, you know, again, it's one of the things that he said about the first Poirier knock when Poirier stopped him. | ||
| He goes, it was too much inactivity. | ||
| I wasn't, you know, I'm not ready for this yet. | ||
| Then he comes back, fights him a second time, and the second time gets fucked up with a broken leg. | ||
| So it's like, I don't know, you know, where he's at now mentally, but he's got so much fucking money. | ||
| He sold proper 12 and made like a half a billy. | ||
| That's it though. | ||
| It changes. | ||
| I mean, you can say whatever you want. | ||
| Of course he's going to say that. | ||
| We all say it. | ||
| I'm still the same guy. | ||
| I'm still the same fighter. | ||
| No, you fucking ain't. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| Your motivation for doing this is gone. | ||
| You're doing it now because, listen, and you've got to respect this about him. | ||
| We don't have a good relationship, but you've got to respect this about him. | ||
| He loves the fight game. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I respect that about him. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| So that's the only thing that he can't buy. | ||
| I mean, the guy can buy whatever he wants. | ||
| He's buying yachts and this and that. | ||
| God bless him. | ||
| But you can't buy the UFC Championship of the world. | ||
| That's the only thing you can't buy, so he's got no choice to go and fight for it. | ||
| And he's still choosing to do that. | ||
| You have to respect that, to be honest. | ||
| Buying yachts is a tricky way to live your life. | ||
| It's a good way to go, bro. | ||
| Yeah, I watched that. | ||
| I go, oh, you're doing that yacht money thing. | ||
| That yacht money thing's crazy, buddy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Where's your yacht, Joe? | ||
| I don't got a yacht, bro. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| God knows you can buy one. | ||
| I don't have a yacht. | ||
| I have a boat. | ||
| I got a regular boat. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| What size? | ||
| It's like 22 feet. | ||
| It's tiny. | ||
| Where is that? | ||
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Around here? | |
| Yeah, I fucking take it out and we jet ski and we go tubing with my kids. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
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It's fun. | |
| I like fishing. | ||
| I have no desire to get a fucking yacht. | ||
| I have a buddy who just bought a yacht. | ||
| You don't want to go park up in Dubai? | ||
| Boats and hoes, bro. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| I have no desire to have either one of those things in my life. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| 54. 54, boat and hoeing it up in Dubai. | ||
| Not having a midlife crisis. | ||
| Jeff Bezos' boat is so big they have to take apart a bridge to get it through. | ||
| Do you know about that story? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I kind of want to see it, Jamie, though, if you could pull that up. | ||
| Built this boat. | ||
| I believe they're building it in the Netherlands. | ||
| And it is so big. | ||
| He's got one of the biggest super yachts, if not the biggest of all time. | ||
| It's so big, they have to dismantle a bridge to get it out of where they're building it. | ||
| I mean, he's the richest man in the world. | ||
| Well, him and Elon Musk are up, so... | ||
| They go back and forth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's just... | ||
| I mean, I... Listen... | ||
| I don't want to live that way, but if you're going to be a baller billionaire, Jeff Bezos is my idol. | ||
| That's how he does it. | ||
| He's got a smoke show of a girlfriend. | ||
| The guy was a dork for most of his life. | ||
| Have you seen him these days? | ||
| I know. | ||
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He's jacked. | |
| He looks big. | ||
| Jack Bezos' new yacht in the Netherlands. | ||
| Yeah, under fire. | ||
| Thousands RSVP to throw eggs at it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| A superyacht so big it'll require a bridge to be moved to get out to sea. | ||
| But why did, I mean, like that bridge has to come down. | ||
| Like, come on, why? | ||
| That bridge has to come down. | ||
| That's a high up there bridge. | ||
| That's a crazy bridge. | ||
| Like, why not build it somewhere else? | ||
| I mean, do they know that he was going to be able to get the bridge taken down to build the yacht? | ||
| Look at the size of that motherfucker. | ||
| That looks like a cruise ship. | ||
| What do you think that thing's worth? | ||
| I want to say a half a billion dollars. | ||
| Oh, I'd say more than that. | ||
| I'm just guessing. | ||
| What's the most expensive yacht? | ||
| Do you see all these Russian guys are moving their yachts to the Maldives? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because they don't have an extradition deal with the United States. | ||
| So all these Russian guys right now, because the United States are saying they're going to start repossessing these yachts. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Confiscating these yachts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So does it say how much it costs, Jamie? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| There must be some sort of a... | ||
| What is the most expensive boat ever built? | ||
| It's the largest sailing yacht ever constructed, it says. | ||
| It's also the largest yacht of any kind produced in the Netherlands. | ||
| It's 417 feet long. | ||
| I love it! | ||
| Pull up that picture of him with his girlfriend with the fucking glasses on. | ||
| He's my hero. | ||
| If you're going to be a billionaire, this is how I want... | ||
| I don't want you to be like Warren Buffet where you're, oh, I just drink Coca-Cola and I still eat the same food. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Get jacked. | ||
| Get jacked and get a fucking smoke show girlfriend. | ||
| That's what I like. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Look at him with her, chilling. | ||
| Pull up the one where it's him with the glasses. | ||
| That's my favorite one. | ||
| From him at the New Year's party. | ||
| Going up to space with William Shatner. | ||
| Yes, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| There, the one on the right hand side. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
| That's what a billionaire is supposed to look like. | ||
| That's what billions and billions of dollars is supposed to do for you. | ||
| You fucking look like a douchebag. | ||
| Every douchebag in Vegas. | ||
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I like it. | |
| He can look like a douchebag. | ||
| He's got $200 billion. | ||
| Let him look like a douchebag. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| He's having a whale of a time. | ||
| I like what you're doing. | ||
| Hey, God bless him. | ||
| He's got a smoke show girlfriend, but that was, by the way, he's dressed like that because he was at a party. | ||
| It was a disco party. | ||
| It was a disco-themed party. | ||
| Everybody at the party was dressed like they were in Saturday Night Fever. | ||
| Hey, he's enjoying himself. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I like it. | ||
| What's the point of having all that money if you're not going to enjoy yourself? | ||
| That's what I'm saying, Mike. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| If you're going to be a billionaire, I want to live like Jeff Bezos. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Take testosterone. | ||
| You've convinced me. | ||
| Take testosterone. | ||
| Do a lot of fucking squats. | ||
| Swing some kettle. | ||
| About $500 million price tag. | ||
| Doesn't even include the mini yacht. | ||
| It's got a mini yacht. | ||
| You've got to have a mini yacht, Joe. | ||
| If you're going to have one like that big. | ||
| It's worth an estimated $500 million. | ||
| But they're just guessing. | ||
| Google this. | ||
| What's the most expensive yacht ever created? | ||
| I would think it's more than... | ||
| I think it's like $800 million. | ||
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I would've... | |
| There's got to be a billion dollar boat. | ||
| I mean, what are we doing as a human race here if we don't even have a billion dollar boat? | ||
| I mean, that's pathetic. | ||
| I bet Putin's got a billion dollar boat. | ||
| If anybody's got a billion dollar boat. | ||
| Is it Putin? | ||
| It's the guy who's actually selling the... | ||
| He's the owner of Chelsea. | ||
| Roman Abramovich? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has one that costs reportedly over a billion. | ||
| Come on, Jeff. | ||
| Step your game up. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Maybe Jeff's got a bargain. | ||
| Maybe you have to build your own. | ||
| It's cheaper than buying one that's already built. | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| By building a house? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're lazy. | ||
| Like, I don't want to wait for the thing to be built. | ||
| What's available now? | ||
| And they sell you one for $800. | ||
| That's a billion dollars? | ||
| Oh my god, 1.62 billion. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Ooh, Jeff, what is going on, man? | ||
| How's this guy beating you? | ||
| I'm embarrassed for him, to be quite frank. | ||
| This is ugly. | ||
| How's he gonna show his face at the bowl club? | ||
| You know? | ||
| How's he gonna... | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| He's only got half a billion dollar yacht. | ||
| Pull up to Khan. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He'll be trounced by this guy. | ||
| Here's Jeff with his shitty boat. | ||
| Again. | ||
| His little tugboat. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with your little tugboat. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| That is a goddamn cruise ship. | ||
| You would think that that would house like a hundred people. | ||
| $1.6 billion. | ||
| So all of these... | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| It's got a little boarded side of it. | ||
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That's sick. | |
| Comes out. | ||
| Some of these guys, one of the guys, maybe it's this guy, has one that has anti-missile capabilities. | ||
| Yeah, I think it is him. | ||
| And then it also has a submarine where he can escape. | ||
| So if, like, Somali pirates are trying to, like, hijack him, he can just get in a submarine. | ||
| It's amazing, isn't it? | ||
| It's very cool. | ||
| Yeah, it's baller money. | ||
| That makes me look like a pauper. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Well. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| Definitely makes me look broke. | ||
| So what's going on here? | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Is that his boat? | ||
| Who? | ||
| Jeff's? | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| What the fuck is this? | ||
| Eclipse. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| That's the boat? | ||
| This looks like it's also a computer. | ||
| It's CGI. Yeah, CGI, yeah. | ||
| Oh, it is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But okay, here it is. | ||
| So is this Bezos? | ||
| No, this is the Russian gentleman. | ||
| So this is the guy that's moving his shit to the Maldives. | ||
| They're all trying to not get confiscated right now. | ||
| So the United States and NATO moves in on all their assets. | ||
| Well, he's selling Chelsea Football Club, actually. | ||
| I just saw that. | ||
| Is he thinking that's because of the same reason? | ||
| It's gotta be. | ||
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Wow. | |
| What a crazy time to be alive. | ||
| Look at the size of that guy. | ||
| Oh my goodness! | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| You could fucking shoot arrows in that. | ||
| You could have an archery course underneath your boat. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Amazing. | ||
| Helicopter pad. | ||
| I think it's got two helicopter pads, too. | ||
| So you and the wife could sail in from a different area. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| It looks like a giant house inside of it. | ||
| Got a swimming pool in there. | ||
| A restaurant. | ||
| A restaurant. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Got a disco. | ||
| But according to someone whose name rhymes with Dana White, he told me that those aren't even the richest people in the world. | ||
| The real richest people in the world are like the Saudi oil people. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Because they don't have to make it public. | ||
| No, that's right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Those royal family guys, he goes, they have trillions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Trillions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a wild life that I live in. | ||
| I watched a documentary on the Sultan of Brunei. | ||
| And the Sultan of Brunei has his own disco. | ||
| And until he got in trouble. | ||
| So one of the girls ratted out his thing. | ||
| What do you mean he has his own disco? | ||
| Listen to me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What he has in his house, well he has a palace, right? | ||
| Giant discotheque. | ||
| But it's only him. | ||
| So he brings in these gals from all over the world and pays them exorbitant amounts of money. | ||
| And then he comes out... | ||
| It's just him. | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| It's just him, and he's like, you and you, let's dance. | ||
| That sounds like a very expensive way of getting hookers. | ||
| That sounds like what Jeff Bezos is trying to do. | ||
| Sounds like what a guy with trillions of dollars does as well. | ||
| Yeah, when you want to take it to the next level. | ||
| You know, yeah, Jeff Bezos got a smoke show girlfriend in his giant yacht, but hey, I got my fucking disco. | ||
| That ain't nothing, buddy. | ||
| And I fly in these gals from all over the world and pay them. | ||
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In his house. | |
| Yeah, and he would have this thing, and this lady, one of them, I think she was like a penthouse pet, she was writing a book about it, and she got caught, and they confiscated her laptop and sent her back home, and then she started doing interviews and giving up, and all these girls were mad, like, oh, you motherfucker, because they were getting paid to do this. | ||
| This paragraph is pretty fun. | ||
| Indeed, the Sultan and his equally decadent brother, Prince Jeffrey, were dubbed constant companions in hedonism in 2011 by Vanity Fair. | ||
| He lives in a palace with 1,788 rooms, 257 bathrooms, five swimming pools, a mosque, a banquet hall that holds 5,000 people. | ||
| He's a 5,000-fucking-people banquet hall and a 110-car garage. | ||
| When he turned 50, the Sultan built a stadium, invited Michael Jackson to perform in it, and paid him $17 million for three concerts. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Amazing. | |
| He does not give a fuck. | ||
| Doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| What? | ||
| Who was it? | ||
| Vanity Fair are saying about it. | ||
| Do you think he's bothered? | ||
| He's like, talk about that shit, bitch. | ||
| Oh, Vanity Fair brought a piece on me. | ||
| How am I going to get over it? | ||
| They can come over here and suck it too. | ||
| I'm out here partying at my giant banquet hall for 5,000 people. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Ballin'. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a collection of cards. | ||
| Do you think he gets lonely? | ||
| He's probably too busy. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Is that him there in the middle? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just balling out of control. | ||
| I don't think he gets busy. | ||
| Lonely. | ||
| He's probably so busy. | ||
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A lot of people are like, why would he be busy? | |
| Because he's banging hoes. | ||
| I don't think he's working every day. | ||
| Maybe some of those girls are nice to him. | ||
| Maybe he's got a lovely relationship with one of them. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Maybe he's lonely. | ||
| Maybe he's having a great time. | ||
| Maybe he hangs out with his friends. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm hoping he does. | ||
| I'm hoping he does. | ||
| I'm hoping someone wins. | ||
| I like when people win. | ||
| I like when they win at life. | ||
| How much do you think he spent a day for 10 years according to this article? | ||
| A million bucks. | ||
| Not including... | ||
| 10 million bucks a day. | ||
| Not including Gidwell. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Too much? | ||
| It's closer. | ||
| It's $747,000 a day for 10 years on top of $17 billion in gifts to friends and family. | ||
| So what is that? | ||
| $747,000 a day times 365? | ||
| That's about 247. 7.4, 74 million. | ||
| Yeah, 240. 272.655 million per year. | ||
| Just spending. | ||
| Out of zero. | ||
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Just spending money. | |
| Just spending. | ||
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2 billion. 2.7 billion just spending. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's so much money. | ||
| It's like Brewster's millions. | ||
| You had to blow 30 million in 30 days. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| What a crazy number. | ||
| Hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year just spending. | ||
| Just balling. | ||
| It's just insane. | ||
| Just champagne and gold underwear. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Do you not think that gets annoying, though, after a while? | ||
| I'd like to find out. | ||
| Well, give me half a chance. | ||
| I'd kill myself. | ||
| I'd be dead. | ||
| I would not make it ten years. | ||
| My God. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it all depends. | ||
| Look, I'm happy. | ||
| I love my wife. | ||
| I'm happily married. | ||
| But if I wasn't, like if I had a terrible wife, I had a terrible relationship, and all of a sudden I had billions of dollars, I might go whole hog. | ||
| I think you'd have a good time. | ||
| I think you'd have a good time. | ||
| Money can't buy you happiness. | ||
| What's he called? | ||
| The Sultan of Brunei is living it. | ||
| Jeff Bezos is doing all right. | ||
| I don't think money can buy you happiness. | ||
| But if you are already happy, Yeah. | ||
| I think money will make you... | ||
| Extra money will... | ||
| They'll make you happier. | ||
| Options. | ||
| Do you have a nice car, Mike? | ||
| What do you drive? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I had a Range Rover until quite recently. | ||
| Now I just got an Audi A6. Oh, those are great cars. | ||
| It's a nice car, yeah. | ||
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Those are great. | |
| I was going to get... | ||
| What was I going to get? | ||
| The RS7, the new one at Christmas. | ||
| Oh, those are nice. | ||
| Yeah, I like those. | ||
| I like Audis. | ||
| I love Audis. | ||
| I love that R8. It's a fucking amazing car. | ||
| But when you get in a nice car, people say it doesn't make you happy. | ||
| I was talking to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe. | ||
| He's got a new 2021 Corvette. | ||
| Those new ones, the mid-engine ones. | ||
| I don't know Corvettes too well. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| I know what you're saying about a nice car. | ||
| It makes you feel good. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It does. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You grab the steering wheel. | ||
| You feel it. | ||
| And especially if you spend a lot of time in your car. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean if you're a person who likes those things, but for some people it's not cars. | ||
| Some people it's art. | ||
| They like to buy art. | ||
| They love living in a nice house. | ||
| It's not like money. | ||
| Money doesn't buy you happiness. | ||
| Takes away the stress though. | ||
| Takes away a lot of stress. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| A lot of stress. | ||
| It's a big difference. | ||
| And once that stress goes, then all of a sudden your life's a lot better. | ||
| So you're not buying happiness, but you're eradicating the stress and living the life that you want to live. | ||
| As opposed to being a slave to making ends meet. | ||
| The making ends meet thing. | ||
| When I was 25, I think, I got a development deal. | ||
| The first development deal I ever got. | ||
| Which was like, I think they gave me $100,000. | ||
| And at the time, that was the most amount of money I would have even heard of anybody getting. | ||
| And I had all this money in the bank. | ||
| And I remember, the moment it happened, it was like a weight lifted off of me. | ||
| It was like, it was gone. | ||
| Like, whatever weight was on my shoulders was gone. | ||
| Because I didn't have to wonder, how am I gonna pay my bills this month? | ||
| How am I gonna eat every day? | ||
| I'm on my own, out there hustling as a comedian. | ||
| And I remember that feeling was like a physical feeling of weight leaving my body. | ||
| And I remember thinking, oh, I'm never gonna forget this. | ||
| This is very important. | ||
| This is very important. | ||
| You gotta have to have a certain amount of cushion. | ||
| Because when you have a certain amount of cushion, you don't have to worry about your bills, it's a way better life. | ||
| It's a way better... | ||
| That day-to-day grind, like, it's romantic that people are struggling. | ||
| It's romantic. | ||
| You're hustling. | ||
| There's something to it. | ||
| It does give you a little motivation because you got to hustle. | ||
| You got to keep going, but not good for you. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| But it never goes away. | ||
| I mean, my hustle, I mean, I'm always fucking working non-stop. | ||
| I'm always hustling too. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I don't really need to, but I like it. | ||
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Me too. | |
| I like to stay busy. | ||
| But it's a different hustle, right? | ||
| But it is, it is, it is. | ||
| It's not out of necessity as much. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a fear-based hustle. | ||
| But the feeling you mentioned there, I remember like when I first got to the UFC because, you know, money was tight for us growing up. | ||
| And then I remember UFC 66, Chuck versus Tito 2, MGM Grand. | ||
| I beat Eric Schaefer backstage. | ||
| I get Donna says... | ||
| Dana and Lorenzo want to see you. | ||
| I'm like, Dana and Lorenzo want to see you? | ||
| What the fuck have I done now? | ||
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Do you know what I mean? | |
| I'm like, I've done something. | ||
| I've told the wrong person to go fuck themselves or something. | ||
| And then backstage, you just gave me a check. | ||
| You know, I said, hey, open it. | ||
| Because, you know, you don't want to open it. | ||
| You think it's a check. | ||
| We says, open it. | ||
| And I opened it up. | ||
| It was $80,000. | ||
| And I'd never seen that kind of money in my life, you know, and it was just unbelievable. | ||
| I remember my wife, Rebecca, was outside. | ||
| She was by herself in the nosebleeds, right up at the top of the stand. | ||
| She was the only person there. | ||
| And I ran out and I had my purse and I had some sponsorship money and I had a check for 80 grand off Dana. | ||
| And I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| So I sprinted up those steps. | ||
| People go, hey, you just fought, you know what I mean? | ||
| Because I wasn't very well known back then. | ||
| I said, babe, look at this. | ||
| Look at this, you know? | ||
| And it was a beautiful moment. | ||
| I was crying because it's like, it wasn't just about the money. | ||
| The money was fantastic, but it was that fact that this crazy plan of quitting work and becoming a professional fighter was paying off. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Because everyone said, there's no money to make in MMA. No one makes any money. | ||
| I remember when I quit work on this forum, Cage Warriors forum, they said, if anyone's getting into MMA for money, they've made the wrong choice. | ||
| And I was like, fuck! | ||
| That's the only reason I'm getting into this! | ||
| And yeah, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's such a great feeling, as you say. | ||
| It's such a risky endeavor to go from being a guy who's training to taking a couple of amateur fights to, you know, I know you had some kickboxing fights, and then to say, I am going all in on this profession. | ||
| You're counting on your tissue, your joints, your back, your knee, everything to hold up. | ||
| You're counting on your skill. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| Because for me, I was just doing dead-end jobs one after the other, right? | ||
| Was never happy in any of them. | ||
| Never held them down because the money was shit and there's plenty of other dead-end jobs, do you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Monday mornings were generally a no-show for me. | ||
| So when I quit work, for the first time in my life, I felt when I was training to be a fighter, I was living the life I was meant to be living. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I was never happier. | ||
| So I felt right. | ||
| I felt right. | ||
| I felt this is me. | ||
| This is what I should be doing. | ||
| I felt... | ||
| Finally, because those sacrifices that I made, like I used to sleep in my car and stuff, didn't feel like sacrifices. | ||
| It was exciting. | ||
| I was on a mission. | ||
| I was on a journey. | ||
| I was on a path to something. | ||
| My wife was sacrificing. | ||
| She was at home. | ||
| Bill's piling up. | ||
| She was skint. | ||
| But I'm fucking off doing jujitsu, fucking doing this, going down to join my brawler or steamer, sleeping in my car, whatever. | ||
| It's like living this crazy adventure, if you will. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| So it didn't feel like a sacrifice. | ||
| Well, that's why it's a perfect job for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, for a lot of guys, that would be too nuts, too much, too much pressure. | ||
| And also, there's the expectation of the unknown. | ||
| Like, you don't know. | ||
| What's coming next? | ||
| The unknown just looms over you. | ||
| Like, you have no idea whether it's going to work out. | ||
| It's the pressure that eats up everybody. | ||
| You know, like so many people. | ||
| Like we said before, people always ask about Callum, my son, fighting. | ||
| He's probably not going to fight. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| He grew up in a nice house. | ||
| He grew up in a fucking swimming pool. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| He's living in an apartment in San Francisco. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| He doesn't know what hardship is. | ||
| No offense to him. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| You've got to be a nasty bastard as well. | ||
| You've got to be able to beat someone up. | ||
| Get there covered in blood. | ||
| Grab them by the fucking ears. | ||
| Ram your fucking knee right into the face and knock him unconscious if you can. | ||
| If you can. | ||
| If you can. | ||
| And have no problem doing that. | ||
| I don't think he's got that mean streak in him. | ||
| But the point I was saying is, what was the point? | ||
| What was the fucking point? | ||
| Well, the unknown. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So many fighters. | ||
| You go in gyms all over the world and you train with someone, you're like, Wow, this guy's really good. | ||
| He could be a world champion. | ||
| And then you find out he's crashing on a couch at his friend's house or sleeping in a car. | ||
| And they just can't put it together on fight day. | ||
| Can't deal with the nerves, the anxiety, whatever you want to call it. | ||
| And there's so many people like that. | ||
| And I think in most walks of life, I think it's probably the same in other sports. | ||
| There's people that on game day, they just can't perform. | ||
| And then there's other people that know how to keep it together when the shit hits the fan. | ||
| And it's one of the most important qualities in life, your ability to hold up under pressure. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| A perfect example is Quinton Rampage-Jackson. | ||
| In the gym, he would always look like shit. | ||
| He had no problem getting tapped out left, right, and center. | ||
| But fucking game day! | ||
| Good luck with that one! | ||
| Good luck with that, buddy! | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Oh my god, for a long... | ||
| The fact that he's still out there doing it, too. | ||
| I mean, he's still fighting, which is kind of crazy. | ||
| Apparently, he's going to have a boxing match with Shannon Briggs. | ||
| Shannon Briggs. | ||
| Is that 100% real? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know they were talking to each other. | ||
| They were talking shit to each other. | ||
| They're always talking shit, and they do this thing. | ||
| Shannon talks a lot of shit. | ||
| He's fucking great. | ||
| Let's go champ! | ||
| Let's go champ! | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| You see what he did to Klitschko back in the day? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| On the paddleboard? | ||
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On the paddleboard. | |
| Oh, my God! | ||
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Epic! | |
| Was that real? | ||
| I think it was real. | ||
| I mean, I don't see Vladimir Klitschko doing a prank. | ||
| That's not his style. | ||
| He takes himself far too seriously. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| He was a tough motherfucker, too, and still is. | ||
| I mean, Shannon can box, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He has a nasty left hand. | ||
| Super educated boxer. | ||
| He's a big guy as well. | ||
| Huge guy. | ||
| And, you know, was real down the dumps until he started saying, let's go champ. | ||
| Like, he literally, like, reignited his passion for life by just saying to himself, Let's go, champ! | ||
| Let's go, champ! | ||
| And he would just fly himself to these big boxing fights and just gatecrash the press conferences. | ||
| Yeah, take his shirt off. | ||
| Talking shit. | ||
| Jacked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Start talking shit to everybody. | ||
| Yeah, there was him and Rampage at the Triller event recently. | ||
| I'm not sure what the involvement is, but they were side by side or squaring up. | ||
| And he's way bigger than Rampage. | ||
| Oh, he's huge. | ||
| He's a big guy. | ||
| He's a very tall guy. | ||
| But I think what they were gonna do is something crazy, like one round boxing, one round MMA. Is that what it was? | ||
| Something like that, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I heard something like that. | ||
| Do you know that Mighty Mouse is doing that at the end of March? | ||
| With, what's he called? | ||
| Rad Tang. | ||
| Rad Tang, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's a wild fight because the first round is Muay Thai and Rod Tang is like an elite Muay Thai guy. | ||
| Oh, he's the first round Muay Thai. | ||
| I thought his first round was MMA. I don't believe so. | ||
| The next round was Muay Thai. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's first round Muay Thai. | ||
| Because Rod Tang said he's going to finish him in the first round. | ||
| And he's never going to make it to the MMA portion of the fight. | ||
| Right, okay. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| But I don't know how many... | ||
| When they're saying rounds, are they doing Muay Thai rounds, like three minutes? | ||
| Or is it an MMA round, like five minutes? | ||
| Because that's a different animal, right? | ||
| In both counts. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, either way, three or five is going to be hard to get through with Rad Tang. | ||
| But I thought it was MMA first, and I thought, oh, that's really smart of Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Because, of course, he's just going to take him down. | ||
| And Muay Thai fighter knows nothing of takedown defense or jujitsu. | ||
| And Mighty Mouse would just tap him out two minutes tops. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I don't think... | ||
| I don't know, honestly, what kind of... | ||
| Let's see here. | ||
| Two fighters will compete in a four-round battle of alternating rules. | ||
| Rounds one and three will be contested under the one super series Muay Thai rule set. | ||
| So rounds two and four will be contested under the global mixed martial arts rule set. | ||
| So what are the minutes of the rounds? | ||
| It says four rounds, but how many minutes? | ||
| It's got to be five minutes, I would have thought. | ||
| I would think that for sure with the MMA rounds. | ||
| What's his record, Rod Tang? | ||
| How many fights? | ||
| Probably they don't know in Thailand. | ||
| That's how it is. | ||
| It's crazy by the time they get to be 20 and 150 fights. | ||
| Look at that fucking record. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| How many is that? | ||
| There's a few reds on there, but not many. | ||
| Does it say? | ||
| 267 wins. | ||
| 42 losses, 10 draws. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| That's a lot of experience. | ||
| That is fucking crazy. | ||
| And he fought last year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so the last time he lost was 2020 and that was to someone in Thailand. | ||
| In Bangkok. | ||
| Rajadamnam. | ||
| Have you ever watched Muay Thai live in Thailand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I lived in Thailand for about three months when I first started doing MMA. One of my fights, I was winning the fight and then in the last round I got my leg kicked to fuck in cage rage. | ||
| I still knocked the guy out fortunately, but I was limping around. | ||
| It wasn't looking good for a minute, so then my coach was like, right, you need to go to Thailand and get this shit under control. | ||
| Which gym did you train at? | ||
| It was called Sasri Papa, which is in a little suburb of Bangkok called Ramkampeng. | ||
| Nobody speaks English in Ramkampeng, let me tell you that. | ||
| I was like, stood out like a sore thumb. | ||
| What was that like? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| It was wild. | ||
| Three months? | ||
| Three months, yeah. | ||
| Well, I went for two months the first time, and then the month the second time, I went on for a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, it was a great experience. | ||
| Came back as a way better fighter. | ||
| I think any fighter that's realistically wants to do this for a living needs to go out there and live in Thailand for a while. | ||
| What is the difference about training in Thailand? | ||
| I mean, obviously, you know, it's great instruction, great training sessions and all the rest of it, but you're just living that life. | ||
| And then when you see what they go through, you know, and the limited opportunities that they have in their life, and they're literally fighting to be able to feed themselves, you know, you understand the blessed position that you're in. | ||
| But as a fighter, yeah, you come back just different. | ||
| It's hard to explain, but... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, my Muay Thai was way better, but I just had a deeper understanding of the sports, of the people, of the culture of it, you know? | ||
| Living in a shitty hotel room with the cockroaches was... | ||
| Humbling. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was. | ||
| It was fun, though. | ||
| Very much enjoyed it. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of guys are going to various gyms in Thailand to do their camps now. | ||
| Phuket. | ||
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| A lot of people go in there, yeah. | ||
| I was there in 2016, Phuket top team. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| You know, you would think it's just Muay Thai. | ||
| Great jiu-jitsu, great wrestling programs. | ||
| Then they got Tiger, Muay Thai. | ||
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They got, what was it, AKA? AKA in Thailand, Mike Swift. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He just came down with cancer, is that correct? | ||
| He beat cancer. | ||
| Oh, he's beating? | ||
| Yeah, he beat cancer, he went through the chemo, and I think he feels great, and he's starting to put weight back on. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
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| Somebody just mentioned a few days ago, they said, oh, did you hear Mike Sweets got cancer? | ||
| What kind of cancer did he have? | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| That's all I know. | ||
| Literally just someone said to me. | ||
| So he's running AKA Thailand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I fucking love Mike Swick. | ||
| Mike Swick is just... | ||
| I don't know him too well. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| I hear nothing but good things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great, great guy. | ||
| And then in AKA Thailand, I know that... | ||
| Not rather. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| In Tiger. | ||
| Tiger Muay Thai. | ||
| I know that... | ||
| Hamzat was there too. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| And he was upset because everybody was filming him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, he was talking about how at All Star in Sweden, they don't let people film. | ||
| If it's filmed, it's all controlled, but they don't let people see his training, his sparring and everything like that. | ||
| Every time he said he would spar, there would be guys pull their phones out. | ||
| And he's like, they're not professionals. | ||
| He said, the problem with Tiger Muay Thai was that there was a lot of the people that were there, were there for the experience. | ||
| They were just like amateurs. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| And that's what you get. | ||
| Like where I went was a proper fighters gym. | ||
| A lot of people go on training holidays. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They're going on these excursions with work or whatever. | ||
| One of my business managers did that. | ||
| He's in his late 50s. | ||
| I'm doing a Muay Thai trip to Thailand. | ||
| You know, I said, fuck off. | ||
| I'm trying to train for a fight, you dickhead. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And these guys all have their phones out. | ||
| Like, I'm training with Michael Bisping. | ||
| And I understand Hamzat's problem there because it's so annoying. | ||
| Because you're going into a gym trying to work because you've got an important fight coming up and you've got these people dicking about. | ||
| They should be smart about that because you're going to discourage elite fighters like him from going down there. | ||
| He doesn't want people to see everything that he's working on while he's in the middle of a training camp just because, you know... | ||
| It's not even so much seeing what you're working on. | ||
| It's just a distraction. | ||
| You're just trying to focus and do the job at hand. | ||
| It's already stressful enough and you've got to go in and, you know, it sounds like bloody... | ||
| Taking pictures and stuff like that, it's not what you're going there for. | ||
| And it's, of course, all fighters, they appreciate, just like you, you know, you appreciate the support and the people want a picture. | ||
| That's very, very nice. | ||
| But when you're training for a fight, you're going in there and you're tired. | ||
| You're beat up. | ||
| The sparring session didn't go well yesterday. | ||
| Whatever it is. | ||
| And now you've got to deal with that as well. | ||
| Some dude just standing there holding the camera in front of your face. | ||
| It annoys me. | ||
| It's a distraction. | ||
| The gym is supposed to be this place where you're with like-minded people all focused on one goal. | ||
| Getting better. | ||
| That's what training is. | ||
| That's why I enjoy training at Ruka so much. | ||
| Private gym. | ||
| Private gym. | ||
| Built for BJ Penn in the Ruka factory. | ||
| It's invitation only, so you're not going to get bothered. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| There's a lot of guys out here that... | ||
| It's a different name. | ||
| Roka. | ||
| Roka is a sunglassing company in Austin. | ||
| And they have this beautiful gym and a lot of like John Donaher and those guys, his guys like Gordon Ryan, they're training out there. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And Tim Kennedy does a lot of training there too, but it's the same thing, private gym. | ||
| Sure, exactly. | ||
| Nobody's gonna fuck with you. | ||
| It's such a different environment there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You're not on display, you're not performing the whole time. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You're trying to get better, you're trying to work on something. | ||
| And you're not annoyed. | ||
| You don't want to be annoyed. | ||
| You want clarity of focus. | ||
| It is annoyed. | ||
| Have you ever thought about training people? | ||
| Have you ever thought that that might be in the future? | ||
| I'd like to one day. | ||
| One day. | ||
| I would love to one day and I will do that. | ||
| But right now I'm still doing me. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| And if you're training somebody, that's got to be 100% all in on them. | ||
| It's a very selfless task. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| And I'm just not ready to do that yet. | ||
| I just wouldn't be fair on whoever it was because I can't dedicate all my time to them. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm pulled in a million different places. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's stressful. | ||
| It's annoying, but I'm happy with it. | ||
| When that all dies down, you know, and no one's fucking interested or no one wants to hire me anymore or speak to me anymore or whatever, then yeah, I'll be trading people. | ||
| And I can't wait for it, to be honest. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I'd like to do that. | ||
| I'd like to take a couple of little protégés under my wing and see where we go. | ||
| Where do you think you would do that? | ||
| You would do that in California, you think? | ||
| I have no idea where life's going to take me, where I'm going to be in a few years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But wherever it is, yeah, I'd like to. | ||
| I'd like to, yeah. | ||
| You know, learn a thing or two about mixed martial arts over the years, believe it or not. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, you know, how to get people ready. | ||
| See, that was always my thing, you know, with a lot of coaches. | ||
| You know, I would have a hard time sometimes listening to what they had to say because... | ||
| I've been doing it way longer and a way higher level than you ever fucking dreamed of. | ||
| I'm not talking about jujitsu. | ||
| I know what you mean. | ||
| That's completely different. | ||
| But I'm talking about a guy that's fucking never stepped foot in a ring and they're gonna try and talk to me about the psychology of fighting and all the rest of it. | ||
| And that's been my entire life forever. | ||
| So I always had a hard time. | ||
| When I met Jason Perillo that was great because he's the real deal. | ||
| He's done a tremendous job for a lot of fighters. | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| There's so many charlatans though. | ||
| There's a lot of fakes, a lot of pretend, a lot of wannabes, you know what I mean? | ||
| And they sometimes just get a really good athlete, and that person performs well, and then they try to hitch their buggy. | ||
| And because that person is doing well in the UFC, that opens other doors for other fighters, and all of a sudden this guy supposedly, this great coach that's created all these great fighters. | ||
| No! | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying... | ||
| I know nothing about Greg Jackson's coaching ability, but that was a super camp where everyone just... | ||
| Good talent was attracted to them, to that one spot. | ||
| Maybe he's a great coach. | ||
| I've never worked with him. | ||
| I'm not talking about that. | ||
| I think he is. | ||
| I think from all accounts. | ||
| I'm not talking shit about him. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| But greatness attracts greatness. | ||
| And all of a sudden you think, I want to go train and all of a sudden you've got champions galore. | ||
| It's not necessarily because one guy in there has some secret that the world doesn't know. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There's not a lot of those guys out there. | ||
| Those guys that are just like... | ||
| There's a few guys like Matt Hume, Farah Sahabi, Duke Rufus. | ||
| There's a few of those guys that just have an understanding of the sport. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, for me, with Jason, the best thing for me, he was a great coach, but it was this, working on the mind. | ||
| For me, that was everything. | ||
| He helped you a lot with that? | ||
| Big time. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| I was always too emotional. | ||
| Always too emotional, too worked up, too angry. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| And yeah, you know, like, for example... | ||
| You know, I remember... | ||
| Well, I used to go into every fight thinking if I was mad or angry, then that was the best way to be. | ||
| Turns out it's the opposite. | ||
| You need to be cool, calm and collected. | ||
| Look at Anderson Silva. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Being angry, you might beat 95% of the people, but the true elite, you're going to get caught out. | ||
| When I fought for the belt, for example... | ||
| I remember I was doing jiu-jitsu with Brady Fink and it wasn't going my way. | ||
| I was having a tough time and I snapped at him. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And Brady blessed him. | ||
| He was always a great guy. | ||
| He'd always take my shit. | ||
| He had no need to. | ||
| And I remember Jason said, Mike, look, listen, you're fighting for the world title next week. | ||
| We think you're going to win the belt. | ||
| We think you've got a good chance. | ||
| But maybe you don't. | ||
| And maybe this is it. | ||
| This is the height of your MMA career. | ||
| All this work that you've done to get to this point, which, by the way, is a great place to be. | ||
| You're fighting for the belt. | ||
| Your face is on all the posters. | ||
| Pay-per-view, main event at the Forum in Los Angeles. | ||
| Great position to be. | ||
| How about we fucking go through this with a smile on our face and enjoy this time? | ||
| Or if you want, we can go through it. | ||
| We can all argue and you can be a stressy asshole. | ||
| Or we can enjoy it. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| And I was like, do you know what? | ||
| You're absolutely fucking right. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| That's like one of many, many different examples. | ||
| Like I remember I pulled up outside the gym one day. | ||
| Jason's out there smoking a cigarette. | ||
| I walk up. | ||
| Hey, what's up coach? | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| There's about four or five guys in there, all killers, all waiting for you. | ||
| It was a sparring day. | ||
| He said, can you go in there and act like a fucking champion? | ||
| You know, even though I wasn't a champion. | ||
| He said, but you're a champion to them. | ||
| They're all killing to be in your position. | ||
| They're all young up-and-coming fighters, no money, you know, just like you used to be. | ||
| Go in there and fucking be a champion of the world. | ||
| Don't let little things bother you. | ||
| Don't blow up. | ||
| Don't fucking lose your temper or anything like that. | ||
| Go in there and control the room. | ||
| Control the energy. | ||
| Show them you're the champ. | ||
| Just little things like that. | ||
| It definitely helped. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Michael Bisping, I appreciate the fuck out of you. | ||
| I'm looking forward to working with you this weekend for the first time. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| It's going to be a good time. | ||
| Looking forward to it. | ||
| And great fights. | ||
| Your movie is out March... | ||
| No. | ||
| 15th. | ||
| March 15th, I believe. | ||
| I should know this. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| It goes, the UK and internationally from the 21st of March. | ||
| So is it March 21st? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Well definitely, March 21st. | ||
| I can't even see it. | ||
| If you go to Bisping Doc, it says available to rent and own on digital in the UK and internationally from the 21st of March. | ||
| So the US from the 22nd of March. | ||
| So here, 22nd of March. | ||
| UK, 21st of March. | ||
| Australia, 24th of March. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| You still doing a podcast? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is it still... | ||
| Anthony Smith is my co-host. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So you were doing that one with Lewis, with Lewis Gomez. | ||
| That was Believe You Me, right? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| It's still Believe You Me. | ||
| You guys stopped that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, I continued it. | ||
| So you do it now with Anthony Smith? | ||
| I do it now with Anthony Smith. | ||
| I love Anthony Smith. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| What a guy. | ||
| What a guy. | ||
| Good combination. | ||
| And that's available everywhere? | ||
| That's available everywhere, yeah. | ||
| He tones me down a little bit because I get a little crazy. | ||
| Anthony's a little more level-headed, so he's good for me. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, brother. | ||
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| Thanks for having me, Joe. | ||
| And we'll see you this weekend. | ||
| Appreciate it. |
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