Blaire White and Joe Rogan debate the credibility of UFO claims, psychics, and trans narratives, citing her skepticism rooted in childhood lies and detransitioner cases like Elle Palmer. They critique media manipulation—from Rittenhouse’s sensationalized trial to ivermectin’s demonization despite global use—and defend Alex Jones’ anti-statist work while acknowledging his errors. White shares how DMT reshaped her worldview, contrasting it with a past shrooms horror trip, and discusses the risks of medical transitioning for youth, balancing regret stories with happy trans individuals like Buck Angel. Online backlash, they argue, often stems from insecurity rather than truth, emphasizing real-world support over digital hostility. [Automatically generated summary]
So this dude right here is Travis Walton and he is one of the most famous UFO abduction I don't know if you want to say victim guys with a story right and he gave me a bobblehead You ever see that movie, what was the movie called?
And he was a young, you know, according to him, just kind of a knucklehead.
And he got a little close to it.
That's the movie.
And he got close to it, and when he got close to it, supposedly, according to him, some burst of energy came from the thing and knocked him back and knocked him unconscious.
All his friends took off.
They panicked, including one guy who hated him, one guy who actually got into a fistfight.
With him that day.
So it's not like these are his friends that he had this coordinated story with.
They took off.
They were freaking out.
And then they came to their senses like, we got to go back.
I've always been fascinated with UFO shit, but I feel like so many people lie and it makes it so hard.
I literally lied about it when I was a kid.
I remember being in the car and I was probably eight or nine and I was like, I should just tell people I saw a UFO. So I said to my mom, I saw a UFO as we're driving.
And then that was my story for years until I was like 13. Yeah, it gets you extra attention.
You say that now but with CRISPR and I think that there's gonna come a time where like if someone is trans that you are going to be able to opt for a procedure that will switch you.
Chromosomes.
Switch you to a double X or switch you to an XY. Whatever you want.
I think you're gonna be able to completely manipulate bodies.
Yeah, but I mean, what I meant was there's like an x-ray of sharks in the womb and they're all like, ah, mouth open, like a bunch of them swimming around together.
I'm like, I wonder if that's real or that's horseshit.
But see, I find that so much more interesting than the conversation about aliens is like life underwater and how much we haven't discovered, how much life just exists here.
Like, I'm a lot more fascinated with this planet than I am like the universe in some senses.
I put something on my Instagram a couple weeks ago this thing called a telescope fish that literally can swallow something bigger than itself Is this crazy little demon fish that lives like?
Wow.
below the surface of the water.
It's like this crazy deep water fish that has eyeballs that look like binoculars.
And this motherfucker swallows, imagine a person smaller than you swallows you.
Yeah, the ocean is filled with, it's monster soup.
It's filled with fucking wild creatures.
But the thing that fascinates me about space is there's an infinite amount of planets out there that have an infinite amount of species.
That's like, it's not just what we have in our ocean, which is pretty fucking crazy and interesting, but an infinite number of those things out there and an infinite number of creatures that are terrestrial as well as underwater.
I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna resist as long as I fucking can.
I thought it was really interesting recently finding out what China's doing with the algorithms with TikTok.
So you have, like, you look at kids in America and their algorithm on TikTok they're scrolling and it's like someone with green hair telling them they're like a dummy boy and like learning about all the flags and then you go to China and it's like science experiments and like shit that makes you a better person.
But then you think about, I don't know, I'm just looking at what's happening to like Gen Z and kids in this country and so much of the shit they're being indoctrinated with.
And you look at them and it's like, well, they're not going to have that problem.
Maybe it's some other problems, but at least they'll have that problem.
What do you think is causing all of the issues that people in Gen Z or whatever you would say are having that maybe generations before them didn't have to deal with?
Well, I think one of the main differences between how I grew up, and I'm only 28, it's not like I was in school that long ago, but it seems as if there's a lot of, just based on what you see online, activists that become teachers, and they go into these classroom settings with the intention of teaching kids about LGBT shit, about critical race theory.
It seems as if people specifically have gone into it to indoctrinate people, whereas I remember all my teachers, it's like, They avoided being political at all costs because they knew it would upset parents.
Yeah, it's weird when people don't have their own shit together, but they want to teach kids.
Yeah.
I'm not against people talking about anything in school.
But I think that the problem is when they're indoctrinating children into an idea and they're saying that this is right and this is the way to do it.
There's really clear right or wrong, like, hey, don't steal, don't rob, don't kill people, don't rape, don't start arson.
There's a lot of, like, real clear yes and nos.
But then when it gets to certain issues, it's like...
Some people have different religious beliefs.
Some people have different social beliefs.
It's good to talk about them, but you should be able to have someone from both sides discuss it.
I've talked about this before, but when I was a kid, when I was in high school, there was a guy named Barney Frank who was a congressman in Massachusetts.
And back then he was in the closet, but since then he's come out.
But he was the left-wing representative, and there was a guy from this group that was called the Moral Majority.
The moral majority at the time was like, they were like a right wing, they were kind of goofy.
They were right wing, but they were sloppy.
Like the ideology wasn't well formulated and the people that bought it, they were like sort of like QAnon people without the conspiracy theory.
They're goofy.
You know what I mean?
They're goofy.
So this guy and Barney Frank debated in an auditorium in our high school when I was like 14, 15 years old.
And it was really interesting because we got to see one guy who had this very staunch right-wing perspective and then...
Barney Frank, who is much more articulate and much more at least seemingly intelligent, picked his ideas apart and had a much better presentation and we got to walk out of there and talk about it and have our own opinions about things.
Now kids are getting, instead of getting educated As to the pros and cons of different perspectives, a lot of kids, you know, obviously depending upon school, they're getting indoctrinated into these ideas.
It depends, are you in a blue city in a blue state, red city in a red state, red in a blue, you know what I mean?
But also, like, I guess it's just the fact that there's not both sides shown to a lot of the shit.
Like, for me, I don't think there's any reason why preschoolers need to learn about LGBT and be shown all this flag that's like you see pictures of teachers in classrooms with like every possible variation of like LGBT flag, non-binary flag, all the shit with like five-year-olds and it's like to them it just looks like really cool colorful shit that kids are naturally going to be attracted to and so it's not a shock to me that you have like little kids now identifying as LGBT when you can make the argument that like that's just society progressing so naturally more people will identify
but like Five-year-olds and the same massive leap it's been used to be like 0.01%.
Because the interesting thing is in the past, it was always kind of like a social net negative to come out.
It's like your life only got harder.
You weren't praised in the way we are now.
It's like society only knows how to do extremes of anything.
It used to be total shame and getting jumped and beat up because you're the faggot, which was my life as a kid.
And now it's like five-year-olds being told they're an inspiration and a hero because they're non-binary and they're going to go on Hormones when by the time they're 11, it's like Just chill.
Like my earliest memories in life were feeling like the only way I can describe it was like a very intense misalignment between the way I was perceived and the way I had my self-concept.
So I would say five, but obviously I didn't have the words to articulate it at five.
First of all, I mean preschool is kind of like the earliest time people even have memories, but also like that's when you start being socially separated by gender.
It's like, you know, I have a very vivid memory of like The boys cubby area where you put your backpack in your schoolwork and the girls and it was like the girls was pink the boys was blue and that's Superficial, but you start to see the division really early and I just had this inherent sense that I would never be able to fit into like a Maleness ever.
I don't know why and the feelings only got more intense as I got older then I hope I hit puberty and it was like oh shit Something's really off.
Like, holy fuck.
And then eventually at 18, I started making the steps.
There is definitely confusion and trepidation about like, is that the right thing for me to transition?
That's like a huge decision that I think is taken like way too lightly now.
And things have changed really quickly with how that decision is treated in society.
But I guess I just had – it was just a progression of like understanding it more and more, understanding like – Why am I uncomfortable with being called him by people when I'm literally a him?
Like, why is that something that would make me feel uncomfortable?
Why is that something that would cause me stress or anxiety?
And it just got worse and worse and worse.
And I considered living with it.
I thought maybe I'll just live with it.
But it got to a little bit of a breaking point where I was like, God damn it.
Yeah, that's what's crazy about, like, as a lifelong Californian until recently, it's like, it's always just been this thing where, like, LA pushes the narrative of California and San Francisco pushes the narrative of California, but it's really far from the truth.
So I grew up in a small town where I was, like, the town weirdo, which was totally fine.
I think it prepared me for the life I have now a little bit.
when I think everyone kind of checks up on like people from their past, from their high school, family members, whatever.
So I'll go on Facebook and look.
And like the main thing I see in a lot of people from my hometown, not to bash them because it's whatever, it's like a lot of hopelessness and a lot of like never really left the town.
Like my mom, she visited me here in Austin the other day, a couple of weeks ago.
And she was like, this is only the third state I've ever been to.
I'm like, you've only been to California, Oregon, because it's next to California, A literal four hour drive from where I grew up in Texas.
A lot of people, they get out of high school, they do whatever they do, whether they go to school or whether they go and get a job, and they kind of stay around where they are, and then they have this sort of very narrow view of the world because of that.
I got first called transphobic because of the Fallon Fox thing, because that fighter that was beating the shit out of biological women without telling them that she was a man for 30 plus years.
And there's another recent case that people brought before me like, this is outrageous, this is bullshit, of a guy who I think he was a ranger or a seal, like super fucking jacked.
Like, ripped dude who transitioned and became a woman and fought this woman.
I don't have a problem with that.
Zero problem with that.
Because it was her decision.
Just like, I don't have a problem with people riding bulls.
I don't have a problem with people free diving with sharks.
It's just kind of a state of being and it might be important to certain situations.
Like if I go to a doctor's office, I always find that it's very important for me to tell them that I'm male to female transsexual because there's going to be certain things that they need to maybe screen me for for my health or look out for that are specifically to biological males.
And those are things that, yeah, I can change a lot of that, but not all of it.
So I think her perspective was that if she tells these people that she was a biological male for 30 years and then transitioned, that she'll get publicly persecuted.
We'll be upset, but you got to give people the opportunity to say no.
Like, I don't want to compete against someone like this, especially in the level of competition that she was facing.
Just to be kind of real about it, if I, for whatever reason, like, right when I moved from LA to Texas, I was in between doctors, so I was literally off hormones for maybe three to four weeks.
And, like, I've been on them so consistently for so many years now that I didn't realize how quickly it gets reversed if you're not on.
Like, I didn't see necessarily physical changes, but just psychologically, like, just so many things.
Well, there's a guy that was on my podcast recently.
His name's Derek.
He runs the website, the YouTube page, More Plates, More Dates.
He's like an amateur chemist.
He's a brilliant guy, but he knows a lot about steroids.
He's done a lot of steroids himself, and he knows a lot about hormones and hormone optimization.
And he even runs a hormone clinic.
And he did a series of videos about the problem with people transitioning and, like, what are the benefits that these athletes are facing that activists are not being straight about.
And, you know, he went over specifically this MMA fighter that used to be – was he a ranger or a seal when he was a male?
You don't have to be like into sports or a fucking scientist to see like oh That's a huge human.
That's a small human and that person's probably gonna have an advantage in some way over this person Some of them are just like fucking big and you see them wind up playing track or some running track and like it's okay The craziest one that I've ever heard of a 50 year old guy Transition to being female Caitlyn Jenner No, no, no.
It would be more fair, for sure, if you had male to female lead.
But it's like, is there enough?
Are there enough male to female combat sports athletes that you could actually have a league and have people that would have opponents?
Because you have to have a weight class, say if you have a 135-pound weight class, you have to have X amount of women in that weight class to compete.
Probably will be soon now that like a huge chunk of like kids are wanting like it's gonna be more trans people in the future a lot more So this brings me back to the idea of the alien and the idea of CRISPR. Like if people could just transition, like legitimately transition.
I think it's someone who has experienced intense, debilitating levels of gender dysphoria.
It's been consistent.
You're insistent on it.
It doesn't go anywhere.
And you seek the solution to fix it, which for some people is transition, but it's not everyone.
I mean, clearly you have, like, there's this really alarming, growing movement of detransitioners among young people online.
If you look up the word detransition on YouTube, it's a bunch of now becoming, like, influencers, getting, like, millions of views talking about how they were 16, thought they were trans.
By the time they're 19, they're done with it, but their breasts are gone, but their voice is permanently altered, but they have...
I mean, maybe you get some of your feeling back, but if you're growing a new dick on your arm and then they put it on there, how much of it do you feel?
And does it feel like an arm?
You know, like if someone's like stroking my arm and I have to pretend like...
Because to me, there's a very big difference between individual trans people and trans ideology.
And when you're trans, it's like you can either follow the trans ideology, which is ever moving, ever growing, new rules every other week, or you like don't.
I just did a video with Michael Malice on my channel where we reacted to like crazy TikToks and it was all this trans shit in terms and I'm like, how do I not know this and I'm a fucking tranny?
How am I not relating to this in any sense of the, like what?
So it's hard to keep up with but that's also why I have a lot of empathy for people who don't understand trans people, don't get it because everyone has a gay friend.
And TikTok is, you know, when you've talked to software engineers that have back-engineered the TikTok platform and gone over all this different stuff that it does to violate privacy, they said, we've never seen an app like this before.
Yeah, because there was this funny meme that was going around called Super Straight, and there was high school kids being like, I'm super straight, I don't date trans women.
But it's funny because the way they did it was like, I'm not just straight, I'm super straight.
But the way they did it was like, okay, we'll say trans women or women, but I'm super straight, so I go further than that, I don't actually date them.
But everyone was super upset about it, and to me, I find it insulting on so many levels to insist people have to date someone of a certain type or be involved sexually.
So I'm like, why are y'all attacking people for saying this?
So it's almost like they're trying to push us towards the most ridiculous, preposterous, cartoonish, caricature-ish version of what like a social justice warrior would be.
Do you remember like, I don't know, I remember being maybe like in 2015 watching like your podcast with like just people from that time talking about the SJWs are starting to rise up and like those guests and it's like that was like nothing.
They were like, I was talking to people like Jordan Peterson and a lot of other people.
I was like, this is not going to stop here.
You have to understand, these people are going to go from universities into corporations, and then the corporate interests are going to be represented by these people, and it's going to spread this ideology in mainstream America.
People are like, that's bullshit.
This is a very fringe thing.
It's only happening in small groups and universities, but now it's undisputable.
But that's what's so scary as well when you think of big tech.
It's like so much of what we say is so controlled and there's so much that I would love to just be able to open my phone, rant about on social media, and not be...
How stupid is that I got banned for saying that I don't think it's transphobic to not date trans women?
They showed that a bunch of evidence that was introduced already had FBI tags on it, which means the FBI had access to all of these CDs, all of these hard drives, all of these things, had reviewed them, and then had allowed them to be brought back in for evidence, supposedly.
See if you can find it.
Because it's posted up.
A lot of people have reposted it under threat banning.
And that's what's like, okay, so there's all this media attention for the Rittenhouse thing.
You can't turn on the TV without seeing it, which it was a big deal.
And it, you know, I think a lot of...
American issues were kind of going head-to-head over that trial.
But the Jelaine Maxwell thing, I feel like, is so much more to the public interest, or it should be, because it's like you have Hollywood and the elites and people connected to politics preying on young girls, and the fact that that's not of a higher priority in people's attention span is really sad, I think.
There's a lot of, like, black celebrities and black people that I follow that still have, like, a take on Kyle Rittenhouse because he went to a Black Lives Matter protest.
Well, I think in this case it's a little different because I think there's a narrative that got put out and a lot of people didn't read into the story, they just bought the narrative.
The narrative was this kid's a white supremacist, he crossed state lines with an illegal gun and he goes to a Black Lives Matter protest looking for trouble and shoots three people.
That was the narrative.
But the reality was He didn't cross state lines with a gun.
He lived 20 minutes away.
He drove over there.
Someone gave him a gun.
He was working.
He was kind of playing cop, for sure.
But he did administer aid to people, and he did work to clean up graffiti.
And I think the story is, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think the story is that some guys who ran a car dealership asked him to come and help and protect it.
And these guys saw him with the AR, and they chased him down.
They hit him with a skateboard, knocked him to the ground.
One guy pulled a gun at him, and he shot three guys.
And then you have people to the even post trial, like post like letting him go.
You have people who still think he went and shot two innocent Black Lives Matter protesters because the way in which the media frames it is killed to people at a Black Lives Matter protest.
It's like you're purposely leaving out a lot of context here.
And but that's also their MO. It's stroking more division, more hate, more this group versus that group.
Some stuff, I would agree that it's like, oh, it's just trying to get clicks.
It's just about how many people are reading an article or tuning into something.
And then other things I think like, they're lying maliciously.
Like this is like some sort of actual agenda.
Like when I saw the lies about you and Ivermectin, that was when I was like, well, there's been many examples of made me believe this, but actually there are just some heavily malicious liars in media as well, because I can't think of a positive reason why people would demonize a medication that actually helped you. - Well, it was one of the things that helped me.
And it's also insane knowing that if history went another way and Trump had gotten a second term, I think the vaccine skeptics and hesitant people would be on the other side.
Because right before Trump lost, it was like Kamala Harris talking about how she wouldn't take the vaccine.
It was every CNN anchor, talk show host, all these libs, Biden.
Do you remember that Trump had an order to ban it?
And then the Biden administration revoked it in order to change, I guess, the framework of what was going to be changed or like the banning of what they were actually banning about data sales and Tracking and all sorts of stuff, but it hasn't happened.
So with this, the tracker trial thing, there is something apparently here with this, some Twitter sleuths, if you will, did some digging into the account and some old archive tweets.
Maybe, but like they were saying that that account wasn't like a person at the trial.
They were just reposting stuff from other like mainstream media sources that they were almost claiming weren't following the trial too, which is a little...
Like if you're working for TMZ, you're trying to catch a celebrity drunk, cheating on their wife, walking out of a club, holding hands with the wrong person.
That's what the TMZ wants, right?
They want to get dirt on celebrities.
They want to catch you at the airport talking shit, right?
Hey, Blair, what do you think about this?
Like, I think fuck him.
And they're like, oh, Blair says fuck him!
And then head to headlines, rah!
But that's their business.
Like, you can't get mad.
That's their business.
I have a lot of friends that are comics that were, like, struggling comics that used to work for TMZ. And I would see them at the airport all the time.
And I'd be like, bro, not today.
I've had zero sleep.
I'll say something stupid.
And we laugh.
But that's what they do.
That's their thing.
This is what Vice's thing is now.
Their thing is politically hard left-leaning and then exaggerate the perspectives of anybody that's in the news that might have anything questionable because that's how you get people to click on things, like calling you far-right or calling me right at all.
And I think a lot of it like he was going, I mean, and this is not an excuse, but this is just the reality.
He pays so much attention to these conspiracies.
And for the longest time, people were saying that he's just crazy.
But one of the things that's come up over this pandemic and, you know, and leading up to the current state that we're at now is that people are realizing that a lot of the things he called are happening.
He said they were going to institute some sort of a vaccine passport.
You wouldn't be allowed to travel.
People are like, that's crazy.
They were going to move us towards some sort of social credit system.
But then there's also, like, all the different things that he's, like, it's like, you are here now, because it'll show, like, all the things that he said that he predicted that people were like, this is bullshit.
But I believe, and I think this is something that we should all subscribe to, I believe in forgiveness.
We have to have that as a He didn't fucking kill someone, dude.
Yeah, and as human beings, there has to be room for error.
And there has to be a point where you...
Because otherwise, we're just going to try to destroy everyone.
Because everyone has something that you could point to, especially if you exaggerated it or distorted it, or someone gave an account of an event that was inaccurate, and then people...
Like they did with Kyle Rittenhouse.
Like they point to this one inaccurate version of the event and demonize him for that.
And so the rest of his life, he will be seen as a white supremacist unless there's a huge cultural shift and we stop giving a fuck about buzzwords like that.
He'll be seen as that forever because Joe Biden called him that.
Well, you know, it's like people don't want unwanted pregnancies, which totally makes sense.
And the thing about human nature is when people get horny and they're together and they're alone, and especially when they're young, they're going to do stupid shit.
I was like, I was like, I know Buck Angel's been on here, so I'm not the only trans person ever here, but I'm probably the least masculine person to ever be on this podcast.
Because even a lot of the women that come on, it's like Danica Patrick.
In my mind, if you just like erase all the labels you put on people like an Alex Jones or even you or me, it's like if you just take away all those labels and what society is describing them as, to me, he just seems more like an anti-statist than anything.
To me, he's just more so that.
I mean, I know he's definitely more right, but he just seems to rail against the state more than anything.
Well, he used to always tell me about this Epstein shit.
He told me about it more than a decade ago, and I was like, wait a minute, what?
And he was like, there's a fucking island.
They take him to this island.
They compromise him.
They have hidden cameras.
They get them all licked up, and then they bring him around.
These are beautiful women.
They don't know.
They probably don't even know that these girls are underage.
And next thing you know, they got video of them fucking these underage girls.
And that's how they get policies passed, and this and that, and they have all this dirt on people, and then they bring in other people to the fold, and they'll reach out, they'll try to bring other people in, like, really?
I'm telling you though this like his perspective is so skewed because a lot of times first of all the guy feels like very alone right he feels like people shun him and you know he's alone with all this information and he's constantly drinking at the time at least and he feels like he has these moments where he can't tell what's real and what's fake because there's so much that is real When you find out all this shit about Fuck Island with Maxwell and Epstein
is real.
When you find out that the government really did do a thing called Operation Northwoods where they're planning on blowing up a drone jetliner and blaming it on the Cubans and It's like arming Cuban friendlies and having them attack Guantanamo Bay and kill American soldiers, and they were going to blame this on Cuba so we could go to war with Cuba.
He was telling me about that years ago, too.
I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
But then you read about it in the Freedom of Information Act, and you're like, oh my God, this is all true.
This is all true.
He's all he does is do that all day his whole day.
And that's the problem when you lean really heavily into the conspiracy side of things, you start to lose sight of what could be real and what could be fake.
And that's what's so sad is like he is disregarded because of those things he got wrong.
But you can't you can't be a public person and talk for a living, especially about these types of issues for as long as he has and not had some fucking things you were wrong about.
And then there's like camps in Australia where people are going because of COVID. It's like you lose your fucking mind sometimes when you realize that he is right about some of these things.
So many factors just all came together in one moment in history.
So much fear, and then isolation, and then anxiety, and then this new crazy perspective that these pharmaceutical drug companies are looking out for you.
Which is like they've never been looking out for you.
It's just because that you know that Trump guy got out of office.
If Trump was still in office, like you said, they would all be anti-pharmaceuticals.
It would be really interesting to see where this country would be in terms of therapeutics and what our perspective would be about vaccine injuries if Trump was still president.
Because if there was a VAERS report, which is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, if that reporting system was Mm-hmm.
they would say about the fact these pharmaceutical companies are they're immune to legal threats like they're immune to responsibility because of the emergency use authorization i saw a headline today that was like pfizer ceo says another shot will be needed in And I'm like, who the fuck elected the Pfizer CEO to tell me what I have to put in my body to be a part of society?
But the thing is, they're blaming it on South Africa, but the people that showed up positive, all of them were from other countries, and they traveled to South Africa and then showed symptoms of it.
They could have easily brought it with them.
And this is what the South African people are saying.
They're like, we don't have a problem with this virus.
People brought it here.
And now you're saying that you're going to ban travel from South Africa.
And that's what they've done.
That's what the Biden administration has done.
Like, one of Bridget Phetasy's friends is stuck over in South Africa.
No, this is as bad as it's ever gotten in terms of the lack of rational thinking, the tribalism, the belief in the government that they have your best interests, the fact that they lie to you on a constant basis.
What's interesting is this belief that I think everyone has, that our government has been capable of evil, incorrect things in the past, but they never believe that they're capable of it in the moment.
So we can admit that all these human rights violations have occurred, slavery, like what we did to the Asians, that group.
So you think that this can't be anything similar to that?
While the men were provided with both medical and mental care that they otherwise would not have received, they were deceived by the PHS who never informed them of their syphilis diagnosis and provided disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment for, in quotes, bad blood.
The men were initially told the experiment was only going to last six months, but was extended to 40 years.
After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men that they would never be treated.
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And they came after me for saying that I got better quick.
Instead of looking at what I did and saying, what is he taking?
Like, how did this work?
The big one that I took, I'm pretty sure all of them helped.
But I think the big one was monoclonal antibodies.
If somebody asked me, do you think that ivermectin was what cured you?
I'm like, I'm sure it helped.
But I really think that monoclonal antibodies had the most effect because I've given it to people or had it given to people that I knew that had COVID that didn't get ivermectin.
And they got better quick.
Really quick.
Like within 24 hours.
Same as what happened with me.
And I think all those things helped.
But the fact that they were upset about that and never focused for a second on the fact that I got better so quickly.
That's what people should be looking at.
I was better in five days.
Not just better, but testing negative and working out in five days.
That's something that, and again, I'm not young.
I'm 54. So that's what people should be looking at, but that's not what they looked at.
And just the fact that it's not allowed to be, like, your autonomy and your own right to make decisions about your body and your health is so removed from the conversation at this point that it's a taboo to even bring it up or talk about it.
You're not allowed to discuss whether or not this option's right for you, the vaccine's right for you, it's not.
It's just, you're treated, we have these new categories of people, new classes of people, the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
But then you think of, like, that's the MO of the media, is creating categories, playing them against each other.
And now you literally have the population, not half, less than half that's not vaccinated.
I mean, I guess part of me wasn't, but I had moved right before the recall election, and so all my friends were all uptight about it, and I'm like, peace.
But there also was a few tidbits of our conversation that let me know she wasn't completely out of her mind with fame because She brought up Kylie Jenner to me.
She's like, oh, my daughter Kylie has a makeup company.
And just said it in a way as if I wouldn't know who her daughter Kylie was and just a small makeup company or whatever.
It's like, oh, okay, then you don't just assume I know who your whole family is.
But she was nice.
It was just, I couldn't imagine being that famous because even just with the attention I have online, it can be very mentally distressing.
You can wake up and just have a near panic attack just looking at your phone.
So I've been trying to work out before I even look at my phone in the morning.
And they should be able to, but I don't feel as though I have any obligation to sit there and be like, this person thinks I'm ugly, this person thinks I'm stupid, this person called me a man.
And then also, I've also adopted this sort of mindset of not believing positive comments or negative comments, because who am I to sit here and really take in someone saying, you're my hero, and you mean all this to me?
It's because, first of all, you don't fucking know me.
Even if you love me and are completely nice and accolades and whatever, you don't know me.
And also from living in LA for the time that I did and just knowing people in the industry or whatever, it's like some of the people who are the most loved online are the fucking most monstrous people in real life.
In fact, this is almost a rule.
And then people who are severely hated tend to be the nicest, most awesome people.
Yeah, and then all of a sudden the possibility of transitioning became a lot more real because I was like, oh, I'm having money put in my account every month because of this shit.
But if he did it a lot and he had a lot of followers like you do, maybe he wouldn't because then people would know him for other things other than just the fact that he dates you.
Dude, I had like, it was like a couple months ago, like right before I moved, and I don't want to sound like I'm talking shit because it was very sweet, but this girl and her mom came up, and this girl is an adult, I say girl but adult, and she starts bawling, like bawling, being like, I transitioned because of you, and you changed my life and all that shit, and she just kept going and going and going, and I felt so, because that's part of like not believing positive comments, it's like, I don't know how to accept people being nice in that way.
You don't really know the person and you just meet them one day and this outpouring of emotion comes from this person that you've never met before and they have this insane connection to you.
Because what we're doing, we're both doing the same thing, you and I, right?
We're putting out our opinions on things and our thoughts on things.
And some people it resonates and some people it infuriates, right?
And so you might meet someone that fucking loves you and you've never met them before or you might meet someone that fucking hates you and you never met them before.
So you're saying that if people have a DMT trip and they didn't see the elves and they think of that person who had that DMT trip as an NPC? As like an NPC. Like you don't have like a soul because you didn't really connect with like any beings.
But I had the opposite from after doing a DMT. I see so much more humanity in everyone I'm around.
I feel very changed after doing DMT. It's a very profound experience.
And I'm just noticing more things about people.
I'm being more aware of their body language when they talk to me.
I think it was a very positive thing doing DMT. And my experience was the closest thing to a spiritual experience I've ever had because I've never been a person that's been terribly connected to like Anything larger than me.
I'd never been religious, never been spiritual.
And I'd say it was the closest to like a spiritual thing for me.
And that's the thing about it is like it forces you to think about Love and connection and the bonds that people have with each other in a way that you don't get from anything else.
The powerful experience of a transcendent psychedelic moment is not like anything else you experience in life other than maybe like a near-death experience.
But you could argue that they're the same thing.
I know people that have had near-death experiences that swear that it was like a DMT trip.
And it, in a way, made me, like, less fearful of death.
Because I was like, if this is what happens at the end, it's a great feeling.
I'm okay with it going out like that.
Like, you just get this, for me at least, when I first was hitting it, and then, like, you start to leave the planet, I felt like this intense, like, set of rings going around my body, like, of just warmth and, like, happiness and love.
And then all of a sudden I'm, like, in space.
Yeah.
And I did see an elf, which is what people call them.
What did they look like?
Kind of like a court jester and it had like slinky long arms.
And it sounds like crackhead shit if you've ever done D.O.T. I saw a bunch of court jesters too.
A lot of people have a shared like physical description of what these things look like.
A common experience, people who meet the elves or the jesters, whatever you want to call them, they have something to teach you.
So for me, it was kind of similar to learning not to take myself seriously, but it was more so don't take life so fucking seriously.
Trust the process of life because I'm someone who, even though I like to think I have my life pretty together, I still worry about everything so much all the time.
I'm always stressed out.
And the elf was telling me, like, does everything have to be a fight, Blair?
Is everything a war?
Are you worried about everything?
Like, kind of clowning me a little bit, literally, because it's kind of clownish.
It was actually when I was evacuating LA. Because the riots went up with some friends in the mountains.
Let's do shrooms.
And it was my first time doing it.
And the person who was supplying said shrooms basically gave me a huge plate, like this big, stacked it, covered it in shrooms, and said, eat all of them.
Which is very irresponsible for someone's first time.
If you were in silent darkness, if you were alone by yourself in the dark and you were laying down on mushrooms and just closed your eyes, it'd be very similar.
So I had a lot of resistance towards ever trying psychedelics for a while because I did grow up in a household where everyone was addicted to drugs and my brother was in prison for a while.
We're selling drugs and heroin and all that kind of shit, right?
So I was like, I'm never going to do drugs.
But then, like, I just see psychedelics a bit different.
Yeah, I think I haven't done it a couple years though, so maybe I could get back in there and have a conversation.
But the, like I said, the last time that I did it was probably the most intense and the most weird, because when they were giving me the finger.
But it was like, I've never like, but it's just, I think sometimes...
What people do and what I've certainly done is you protect yourself from criticism or you protect yourself from your own analysis of your correct and incorrect thoughts and actions by bullshitting yourself.
And one of the ways that you realize if you're bullshitting yourself is like, how do you react to satire?
How do you react to being mocked?
How do you react to people not taking you seriously?
Do you go, ah?
As their prerogative, good luck.
Or do you go, fuck them!
I'm going to fucking make a response video!
Right.
The aliens, or whatever they were, the jesters, and they all had the little bells, the little hats with the bells.
I mean, whatever the fuck they are, whether they're a part of your consciousness or whether these are intelligent entities in another dimension that you're interacting with.
See, that is what I've been questioning since doing this.
So I was told by a friend who's done DMT a lot that after you do DMT, pay attention to the real world.
And if you believe that the elves are real beings that are independent of something created in your own brain due to the DMT... They'll like send you a sign, right?
And I was like, again, crackhead shit.
No, I'm not gonna meet the elves in real life, right?
So one of the things in my first trip that they kept telling me was this is not the end.
This is not the end.
They kept telling me that because I think I was asking them like, is this what happens when you die?
Like, what is this?
They said the phrase, this is not the end, multiple times.
Directly after the trip, we go to a restaurant.
And I wasn't liking the energy.
There's like a glow after DMT that you kind of want to maintain.
And I didn't like the energy in the first restaurant, so I was like, let's leave.
You know what, I got the impression, I've gotten the impression of this before, but I got the impression after the last time that I did it, that the world that you and I are operating in right now, like this conscious waking world of tangible physical objects you can touch and feel and weigh, is like a thin sliver of veneer that we're existing in.
We're existing in this thin sliver of space and we're connected to this thing that we can't experience under normal conscious states.
And this thing is constantly being affected and changed by what's happening in this thin sliver of veneer.
So all the thoughts that you have, all the behavior that you exhibit, all the actions that you take, All of those things that exist in this thin veneer is affecting all of this that's going on in eternity, that there's this infinite space of whatever these things are,
whether they're souls or interdimensional creatures or beings, but that the way you interact with other people has a direct effect on that world and that world has a direct effect on the way you interact with people.
And that you have to develop some sort of harmony.
And I think that people struggle to do that throughout history.
And that's one of the reasons why religion is so, it's so common.
It's not just common, it's amongst all tribes, they've always had a belief, almost all of them, almost all major civilizations have had a belief in something larger than themselves.
And whether it's gods or whether it's like a lot of the Native Americans thought that a lot of their gods existed in nature.
The gods of animals and coyotes were gods and the sun was a god and that there's some...
Larger than this current experience thing that we must pay homage to, that we must give praise to, that we must feel the divine intervention of these other realms.
And it just exists in all cultures, in all societies.
And I think part of that is because there's moments in time where you recognize And you can have these moments in time, whether it's the birth of a child, whether it's true love, whether it's just the bonding between friends in an incredible moment in life where you feel like you get just a chance for a second to peek your head through the clouds.
But that is one of the first things, at least for me and my experience with GMT, both times I tripped, the first thing that happened, other than those warm rings of love I talked about before, is I felt my body disappear.
Almost part by part, I felt my hair disappear.
I felt my hands disappear.
I felt like the clothes I was wearing became stupid.
I instantly lost sense of my body and the meat that I'm here in.
And it's funny because leading up to doing it, my friend was like, I'm a little concerned that you're going to go into this and then come out and be like, I'm a man.
I need to fucking detransition.
Like to have some weird gender crisis because of it.
I filmed a video, my DMT experience, and the whole time I was talking about it, I was like, 90% of people that watch it are going to think I'm a fucking crackhead now.
But once you experience it, you realize it is real.
And for me, like I said, because I've never been connected to anything higher than me, maybe people will hear that and think that, oh, this is a very shallow, worldly person in the worst way.
But I've never believed in God.
I've never believed in...
A sense of higher self.
But I got that with DMT. Suddenly I was like, oh, this is really small, what we're in.
But that, whatever that is, is very similar to what we used to be.
We used to be some weird, crazy, brutal primate.
And now we're still pretty crazy and pretty brutal, but we're moving into some strange new realm where we're eventually going to look like this.
Like if you think about what that is versus what this is, like this is the direction we're going in and that's the direction we came from.
And we're still trapped in this body of muscle and sinew and tissue and hormones and the need to breed and the need to be accepted by the community to achieve status so that your social status encourages more people to breed with you.
And I guess I've just really appreciated the sense of vastness that DMT gave me.
Yeah.
I feel like I'm like a more or less rather materialistic person suddenly.
Like I tried to go to the mall the other day and I was like, maybe I should go get like a purse or buy some shit that costs way too much for no reason.
And I was like, that seems stupid.
Before that I would have been totally down.
So it's just made me less attached to what is here.
That's the thing that I have with people that think, one day I'm going to retire and this is going to be my golden years.
What are you talking about, bitch?
Everybody wants to look at the end of their life as being some magic time where they're just going to be happy, sitting around on the porch, drinking lemonade.
I guess I just am a pessimist by nature and I see the direction that society is going in and it's kind of like just worrisome.
And so I envision the antithesis of what we have now, which is the state more and more in your life, people telling you what to do, people in your shit to the point where you can't go to a restaurant in some places without getting a medical procedure and then getting it checked by a minimum age worker at the front of the business.
The opposite of that is like what?
Me being in like the middle of nowhere with like some dogs.
Those might be the people that can pull everybody together because they can check off all these ideological boxes in terms of sexual orientation and being open-minded to LBGTQ issues like, hey, he's gay but he's also conservative.
So, Michael Malice and I have discussed this theory that, like, the best way to red pill people is to achieve, like, acceptance of LGBT people in the right-wing spaces because people aren't going to go to, like, where the Nazis are, basically.
But when you alienate LGBT people, you're alienating their friends and their family.
You're alienating the girl who loves to go shopping with her gay best friend, teenage girls, you know what I mean?
And it's like, maybe just chill off that shit.
There's a lot of values you probably shouldn't compromise on if you're a true conservative, but whether or not someone's taking it up the ass or wants to be a girl, that's your biggest fucking...
There's a lot of shit in the Bible that's very wacky.
But they concentrate on the gay one for some...
I mean, I don't know what it—maybe back in the time—see, one of the major theories about the advent of Christianity has to do with psychedelic drugs.
There's a guy named John Marco Allegro, and he was an ordained minister, and he was on the Dead Sea Scrolls Translation Committee, the group of people that were translating the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And he was also a theologian.
So he was an ordained minister, but he became agnostic over the years because he was studying religion for so long.
He's like, this is all kind of crazy.
So he's like, I'm not going to have any ideological perspective when it comes to religion.
I'm agnostic, even though he was an ordained minister.
So when he was hired and when he was Brought on as part of one of the experts on languages to translate the oldest known version of the Bible.
And I think it's the only version of the Bible that we have that's in Aramaic.
And when he translated Dead Sea Scrolls over, I believe it was over 14 years, he wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
And what he said was that all of this stuff, That you're reading is, you know, there's translations.
You're translating things from ancient Hebrew, which is a language that's based on numbers.
Like, ancient Hebrew letters doubled as numbers because there was no numbers.
So the letter A was also the number one.
So, like, it's really weird, but you've got to think about this.
And I hope I'm not fucking this up.
The way it was explained to me was that language in ancient Hebrew had numerical value, that words had numerical value, like the word love and the word God.
They had the same numerical value.
Okay.
That using these words in the way you would place the letters, it was because it had a number value to it that we don't think of when it gets translated to Greek, into Latin, to English.
I guess that's just why I've always respected religious freedom.
I see that it does something positive in many people I know's lives, and I think that that's great.
But I've always been so removed from even caring or understanding religion or why people think that we should be reading books from thousands of years ago to determine how we live now.
It's always been a very weird concept to me.
Like, I've always been not an atheist because I don't even care enough to say atheist.
I've always just been like, I don't care if there's a God or not.
Maybe, but I did get the sense that this jester that was talking to me, this elf, this clown, this crazy bitch, I had the sense that she's been around me forever.
But that's what gets me questioning if these really are beings independent of what our brain could create or that actually exist on some level.
There are, like, uniform experiences with certain things, like on shrooms, like, oh, the table's gonna warp, and you're gonna look at your dog, and your dog's gonna look funny, and whatever.
But, like, to actually see, like, what we perceive to be, like, autonomous beings, and for people to have similar recountings of what they look like, it's gonna be, like...
I'm a huge baby because I saw what I thought was like the entryway to hell.
I didn't go fully in but I saw like it and it was really scary.
Yeah, I saw like just suffering and pain and like I don't know if it's like the traditional like hell in terms of like in the Bible or whatever but I saw just like an area that you would never want to go.
Well, whether or not hell exists, there's hell on earth.
Like, if you are carted off to a concentration camp and tortured, if you live in North Korea, if you live in China, if you're a Uyghur Muslim in China and your whole family gets thrown into a train and shipped off to some work camp and tortured and...
You know, I mean, think of all the horrific things that happened during the Holocaust, all the horrific things that have happened in many genocides, what the fucking the Mongols did during the wrath of the Khan.
Imagine living during a time of Genghis Khan and you watch these people torture your whole family, cut the limbs off of your children and throw them at you and laugh and light your fucking building on fire and People throughout history have done horrendous things to other people.
So I admit to have been completely ignorant about the realities of North Korea until I found her channel.
And I'll watch videos and the things that she'll describe in the experiences.
It's like, I am the luckiest person on earth to simply have not been fucking born there.
And you hear her stories of seeing starving, deformed people on the streets and children eating rats and just the craziest shit that there's no concept of from this bitch who was born in California and moved to Texas.
One of the things I've been very thankful for is I never really had a real job before YouTube and the life I have now.
So I don't really necessarily have a concept of like toiling and like maybe what life could be if I was like struggling really hard for money or whatever.
And he is older than me and he tells me all the time he's like you need to be thankful for what you have because your life is literally phenomenal.
Like the fact that you can just be you for a living and just talk to your friends for a living and like you don't have to worry about shit like that.
But then you think of how many kids are growing up in the inner cities and in bad communities and they can never make that connection that what you're seeing is the wrong thing to do.
So maybe it was the internet now that I'm thinking about it.
I was able to kind of see people live other lives through MySpace and through...
Well, of course, but they also call me far-right and say that you're associating with far-right people that really aren't, you know what I mean?
So labels are for the birds.
For me, if anything, I think that there is just more of a sense on the right, usually, towards individualism rather than collectivism.
And that's something that really spoke to me when I turned 18, when I started realizing, well, if I'm going to be trans and I'm going to figure out how to get the money to transition and live this very specific life that's not going to be supported by many people around me, I'm going to have to be like a complete individual and be okay with that and really take my life into my own hands and manifest what I want to do and be a capitalist.
It's not easy to transition.
It's a lot of money.
So those kind of always geared me towards the right, I guess.
But again, I'm not a conservative in the traditional sense.
Imagine if someone had come to you when you were seven or eight and said, hey Blair, I think what's really going on is you're trans and we can help you now and it would greatly improve the way you feel, how feminine you are when you go through puberty because we're going to stop it and nip it in its bud.
I don't think that that would have been good for me.
I don't think that there's...
When you're going through puberty, regardless, trans or not, it's such a confusing, insane time.
I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to pump a bunch of hormones in a kid.
And there's also no telltale, foolproof way.
I mean, we're speaking in hypotheticals.
Maybe if someone would have been psychic and known it and known, I would have always been okay with it.
But what if I would have had...
Some sort of like ideological shift halfway through and been like, well, maybe even though I think I'm trans, maybe transition isn't the right way to deal with it.
Yeah, and there's some evidence to that, but the problem with that evidence is just the fact that trans people exist in the first place shows you that there's so much variety to how human beings are.
The variables are so extreme.
There's clearly some sort of a spectrum of people, and some people would be fine just being a gay man, but some people don't think will, and I don't think...
Well that's the thing is I think two things can be true at once and that's kind of like the problem with this whole issue is that I have met trans people who transitioned very I know a girl who transitioned when she was literally 12 I believe and her whole family hid from the school and the rest of her family they literally they didn't fake her death but they kind of just stopped talking about her existing and then she became a girl and they just had a daughter and no one ever talked about it Isn't that weird?
But she transitioned at 12, so her whole life, and she's happy.
And especially being me because I've been publicly empathetic towards those people and I'm one of the few trans people that is public online that talks about it.
I get a lot of emails.
So it's like I can see my friends on an anecdotal level that like are happy with it and transition very, very young.
And if I go to an LGBT club or bar here in Austin or LA or whatever, I can't really walk more than two feet without people showing love and gratitude and whatever.
But it's also the idea of hating someone versus meeting them and realizing that they're just a person and not really hating them, just meeting them and knowing, oh, it's just another human being.
Like, the idea of hating someone you don't know is really kind of crazy, unless you're hating Hitler.
You're hating some barbarian, some horrible person who's responsible for death or destruction or whatever, you know.
If you just hate someone based on something that you think you can attribute to them, like to you, the hate her because she's against kids transitioning, it's so easy to say you hate someone.
It's so easy to just lash out online.
Yeah, that's a one of the major problems with our culture is that so many people don't know how to think and so many people are what I mean Don't know how to think like they don't recognize that a lot of times they're being negative It's just to distract themselves from their own real problems and it's often projection.
Yes, that's why I like so when Dave Chappelle thing happened and they had these protests one of the trans activists I believe her name was Ashley Marie Preston or something like that That's the one who had all the hateful tweets?
Well, people are hypocrites and they want attention.
And then, you know, the thing is, they think the way to get attention is if you are in a marginalized group and that group has been attacked, and you can stand up and say the most forceful, loud thing about this person who has, in your opinion, attacked this marginalized group, it gives you clout.
You know, there's a lot of people that just get clout from enhancing negativity, you know, and just projecting it.
Well, they don't see it because they think they're great because they're narcissists, right?
And so their perspective is anybody that gets way further than them, first of all, they feel bad when they find out that, you know, Kevin Hart's selling out 50,000 seats or that this person's doing that or, you know, Sebastian sold out Madison Square Garden four nights in a row and they're just like...
And it's unattainable.
It's not going to happen to you.
It's literally not going to happen.
You're 43 years old.
Your life is shit.
You could barely sell a Thursday night at the Funny Bone in Cleveland.
It only takes one thing to be said that triggers an unhealthy person or a sad person or someone in the bad place to do something bad.
So it's impossible to look into her mind and heart in that time and say that it was that.
However, I don't think it helps.
I think that the feeling of ostracization from your own community to be a trans person who is suddenly like, shit, now how do I even face any of my probably mostly LGBT friends?
Most LGBT people have...
That's their friend group.
Like, how do I go to these establishments that are LGBT now?
How do I maybe do, she wanted to be a comedian, do a comedy show to LGBT people?
Those are probably the places that were booking her if she was booking things.
That's unfortunate, you know, because you would think that the people that have experienced the most discrimination would theoretically at least be the most open-minded and compassionate to others.
The places where I feel the most comfortable, rooms I feel the most comfortable in, are the rooms people would never expect me to be able to be in and feel comfortable.
I mean, there's a difference between the narrative of a person and who they really are.
So you have been called transphobic, like you said.
Alex Jones, transphobic.
Tim Pool, transphobic.
Michael Malice, probably not Michael.
But should I, on paper...
We keep going back to On Paper.
Have felt comfortable in the RV talking to y'all and being in that room.
Maybe not.
If I believed all the things that trans activists said, I would have maybe felt like I was in a room full of fucking dudes that were going to beat me up or something.
Well, what he's doing, I always thought about doing, but he did it and he did it perfectly.
He put together a roving studio.
Like his studio is awesome.
I mean, it really is fucking badass.
He's got an RV that's got microphones and desks and he's got like a control center and there's a big television so they could show videos and clips on it.
I'm like, this is amazing.
Jamie and I have talked about doing that like a dozen times.
I'm okay with being out testosterone by fucking Alex Jones and Joe Rogan and temple like I'm okay with not being the loudest bitch in the room in that room well Everybody was just it was just there were so many voices It's too many doesn't it doesn't work like and I say that when I do podcasts people like if I'm want to talk to someone and it's It's a fun conversation and they want to bring a friend that I know I'm like, yeah, I'll be fine Well, the three of us would be a good time, but even three people that's even a rare for you Well, it's rare.
It's also hard because when I'm talking to someone, I want to let them talk.
And then I'm also trying to think of like, should I talk?
Should I let that play out?
I have a question.
Should I enter?
And it's like a skill.
There's a dance that you're doing when two people are talking.
When there's a third person there, you got like three dance partners all in the room stepping on each other's toes.
And it's something I've been aware of everything that I've done in the past few years.
So I do something, and then a bunch of people get mad about it, and so they post about it.
Because people want to post about shit they hate more than what they love.
And it's like, okay, so let's say there's a tweet bashing me with, I don't know, let's say 10,000 likes.
So maybe those 10,000 people are agreeing with that, but how many people are viewing it with impressions, and then even if it's like 1,000 people that are like, actually, she seems cool, that's 1,000 new people coming my way.
You do work for me if you're bashing me.
The best thing you could ever do to someone you hate online, if you hate me, well, maybe not tell them to do that, but just don't fucking talk about me, bitch.
It took me some time and it took me, in the beginning, like, I would read everything.
And I would take everything in.
And I would also start to believe the nice comments, which I also think is toxic.
And it's only made a video about me.
I'm watching every minute of it.
I'm internalizing.
I'm figuring out what I did wrong if I did anything wrong and a way to retaliate and that used to be me and now I'm like I Don't give a fuck the people that do that all day and go back and forth and make response videos and attack videos.
But what I was saying was, I did the Dr. Phil episode, and there was, like, this YouTuber, I didn't watch the video, but I saw, like, a thumbnail come up and I recommended it.
It was like, Blair White's doing the Dr. Phil show, and I'm terrified.
And it was like a fucking hour-long video, however long it was, I remember, about how it was so bad, probably, that Dr. Phil's in a deplat for me.