Dec. 3, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Hello Derek. | ||
| Hey, how's it going? | ||
| Nice to meet you in real life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen, man, fucking dozens of your videos, so it's cool meeting you in person. | ||
| Oh yeah, long overdue. | ||
| How did you get started? | ||
| For me, I've always sort of just been like a nerd about pharmacology and biology, endocrinology, stuff like that. | ||
| And I've always just researched online about random stuff. | ||
| And eventually, I was encouraged by a few people to start posting online. | ||
| And I was, I just started writing out blog articles on a WordPress site, maybe like five and a half years ago or something at this point. | ||
| And Eventually, it got to the point where, I guess YouTube was already big, but it wasn't that what it is now. | ||
| And I was just asking people in the, I don't know, male self-improvement niche that I was friends with, do you think I should be posting videos too instead of just writing these articles? | ||
| And they said, yeah, it's a no-brainer. | ||
| You should be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just started basically reiterating my articles in video format, too. | ||
| And then, eventually, the YouTube sort of outpaced the WordPress site. | ||
| And that's why it's always, you know, Derek from MorePlatesMondays.com, that website, was where I originally wrote my articles. | ||
| And that eventually got to the point where it wasn't very time-efficient to write, unfortunately. | ||
| So, I kind of, like... | ||
| Move disproportionately towards video format because I can just fire off a video in, I don't know, 15 minutes. | ||
| Otherwise, that in written format would take five plus hours to write out, if not longer. | ||
| Well, I love the fact that your production is very minimalist. | ||
| You have an air conditioner behind you, wood panel wall. | ||
| It's like, there's no attempt at all to, like, glitz and glamour, but it's just good content. | ||
| I mean, you just hit a million subscribers, so obviously something, it's working, you know, it's working well. | ||
| But it's, what you're doing is just, you have a unique ability to pull information out of the air. | ||
| Like, you remember stuff. | ||
| How things work, especially when you were talking about catching people that are doing steroids. | ||
| There's been many times you've gone over people's blood work. | ||
| It's very educational. | ||
| I learned a lot about it, especially before I watched your videos, I thought, oh, USADA. There's no way anybody can cheat with USADA around. | ||
| And then I watched some of your videos, I'm like, oh my god, they're cheating. | ||
| Yeah, it's not like they make it obvious where their shortcomings are and where the loopholes are, because they would obviously prefer people to not know what they're doing current research on to tighten up. | ||
| But yeah, there's definitely leeway still, or else they would not still be in the lab trying to figure out ways to bulletproof it, essentially. | ||
| Well, there's one gym that I know of that at one point in time, I don't know how they do it now, but at one point in time, they had literally full-time scientists that were working with the athletes. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| I think a lot of athletes have maybe not like a full team, but there's usually some sort of chemistry slash pharmacology guy in the back end who they're deferring to, or even just their bro who's experienced enough. | ||
| Yeah, but the bros is how people get caught. | ||
| Your body's like, bro, you just gotta do this, you gotta test clean, trust me, and then you test positive and that guy's fucked. | ||
| Yeah, I think usually there's some sort of, I don't know, deferral to figure out, like even people who, anybody at a top level is trying to figure out what kind of edge they can get, regardless if it's through straight edge supplementation, dietary practice, manipulations, lifestyle interventions, etc., and Right. | ||
| Or is there a way to get around? | ||
| Or what are the other people in my sport doing that I don't know about? | ||
| And if other people are doing something, you're going to, you know, not as dramatic as the Lance Armstrong case where everyone's doing it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you're pretty much forced to do it to be competitive. | ||
| But, you know, people are thinking in that same way. | ||
| The Lance Armstrong one is the most ridiculous to me. | ||
| Because they took his jerseys away. | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| But he still has them. | ||
| There's a photo of him. | ||
| It's a hilarious photo. | ||
| Of him on his couch. | ||
| With his feet up. | ||
| And behind him is all these framed jerseys of him winning the Tour de France. | ||
| And it's like, what are you going to do? | ||
| Take my jerseys? | ||
| I fucking won those bitches. | ||
| And he did win them. | ||
| It's fucking ridiculous how they even... | ||
| Pretty much everyone underneath him is doing the same thing. | ||
| 18th place was the last guy that you could find that did not test positive. | ||
| And even that guy, though, he might have just got it out of his system in time because they're still trying to figure out how to detect EPO use, blood transfusions, autologous. | ||
| You can't detect right now at all except for aberrations in your hematology that can kind of like... | ||
| Infer based on longitudinal data that something's off, and they can assert that you're doping and putting blood back into yourself, but they still can't even tell. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's why they try to use the biological passport, right? | ||
| They try to get a baseline of you at random times over a course of several months, and then they understand what your normal levels are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But even that varies with sleep and diet and... | ||
| And you've got to build up the data. | ||
| So if you're hypothetically an athlete who understands how this process works going into it, it's not very hard to go to LabCorp, get my own hematology panel, assess my reticulocyte, hemoglobin, red blood cell count over time, develop my own longitudinal biological passport before I go into a tested sport, and see, do I fall within the threshold cutoffs where I would not get caught for my degree of autologous blood transfusions? | ||
| So hypothetically, I could just... | ||
| I could go in quite confidently if I had done the preliminary research prior. | ||
| And if you're doing something like Tour de France, of course you're gonna do that research. | ||
| They had teams behind them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you see Icarus? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's a fucking great documentary. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| God damn it so good. | ||
| It's so good when you realize that the entire Russian Olympic team was juiced to the tits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The whole team. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Everybody. | ||
| That guy Gregory, he said the only people that it didn't benefit was the figure skaters. | ||
| So they didn't do it to the figure skaters. | ||
| Well, I would bet the figure skaters were still doing stuff that might just not be on the banned list yet. | ||
| Or might be now. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Because even like 2000... | ||
| I think it was 2000... | ||
| When were the Summer Olympics? | ||
| It was like 2008... | ||
| 2004, 2008, and 2012 or something like that. | ||
| They've retested... | ||
| Since they've developed some of these long-term metabolite assays, they've been able to go back and retroactively catch, I think it was like, 150 athletes that otherwise... | ||
| caught at the time, and this was over six years later, and then of those 150, that's just a ballpark number, it's not accurate, but it was like 79, I think, were medalists. | ||
| And they figured that out six years later. | ||
| Well, whenever the host country wins a shitload of medals, that's when it all gets weird. | ||
| Like Sochi, that was a big one with Russia, and then Beijing, the Chinese one was a big one. | ||
| They had won so many medals. | ||
| And you know that it's such a big thing for some nations, like to win the Olympics. | ||
| It's a huge show of superiority. | ||
| And they go all out, man. | ||
| Have you ever heard of the Goldman Dilemma or something? | ||
| If you were to die in five years or win gold for your country, what would you take? | ||
| And it was like over 50% of athletes said die in five years and take the win versus, you know, live a normal life. | ||
| Yeah, fucking wild. | ||
| Well, in their head, it's everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, to lose is so painful and to win is so glorious that they'll just take it. | ||
| Yeah, and in professional sports, obviously, the contracts are so ridiculous. | ||
| Like, there was one NBA player who just popped for draw standalone and testosterone like a week and a half ago or something. | ||
| And when you actually look at it, the guy has only played, I think in totality, like seven minutes on the court or something, but his contract is like almost $8 million. | ||
| So even guys at the highest level of professional sports, it's so lucrative, the amount of money that's on the table, that if you think, even if you're, you know, like a low tier, like you're still a top tier athlete, obviously, if you're in the NBA, for example, but if you're at the bottom of the totem pole and you think you have leeway with, | ||
| you're not going to get tested as much or whatever, you're The choices of drugs he used, too, were like, one of them was absurd and made no sense, but I assume he was just hedging against the chance that he would get randomly tested to, you know, if it helps you get this lucrative contract, even if you're, like, just a seven-minute court player, like, it's a big fucking deal. | ||
| Well, it's probably, the guys who get caught doing something stupid, it's probably some dude from the gym, right? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Somebody from the gym tells them how to do things. | ||
| They're not being sophisticated about it. | ||
| Especially, he's not a top tier athlete. | ||
| He's just kind of a guy who plays occasionally. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard in arm wrestling, it's like a more obscure sport, obviously, but some of them are drug tested. | ||
| The scrutiny is very low, but some of them don't even, they just take whatever they want and go sauce to the tits and just hope they won't get tested. | ||
| Like, that's their strategy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, they take whatever the fuck they want and just hedge against the probability that they won't get tested, and then if they get lucky, which a lot of the times they do because it's very low-scrutiny testing, they just go in, like, full board. | ||
| Well, the UFC and mixed martial arts in general is a very interesting sport from that perspective because it started out all juice. | ||
| It started out literally like most of the athletes were on something. | ||
| You'd have to be a real rebel to not be on juice. | ||
| Like the rare BJ Penn type guy who was just a super athlete who just didn't need anything and fought natural. | ||
| But so many of those guys were on juice. | ||
| So many. | ||
| If you go back and look at them, if you go back and look at UFC 3, 4, and 5, everybody looked like a superhero. | ||
| Vitor was insane when he first started. | ||
| The fight where he... | ||
| I forget. | ||
| It was against Vanderlei. | ||
| He just ran him across the ring. | ||
| That epic shot. | ||
| He was fucking cranked back then. | ||
| Well, so was Vanderlei back then, too. | ||
| Yeah, but the physiques. | ||
| Disproportionately bodybuilder-esque. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, Vitor at one point in time was 240 pounds. | ||
| And then he eventually got in the UFC, was competing at middleweight, which is 185 pounds. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| So, like, yeah, he's pretty juiced up there. | ||
| But if you go to Vitor versus Randy Couture, that was a fight where he lost. | ||
| Where his body was so big, his trap started at the top of his head. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he was fucking enormous. | ||
| Is that Vitor versus Randy? | ||
| That might be the second fight. | ||
| I think that is the UFC light heavyweight title. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Yeah, you want that one in the upper right next to your cursor go up? | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| He was, look how big he is. | ||
| He was fucking huge. | ||
| That one he was like 240. His arms were gigantic. | ||
| But he gassed out quick. | ||
| And Randy was a superior wrestler. | ||
| That was back when you could wear shoes like Randy's wearing wrestling shoes. | ||
| That's old school UFC. Like that was early, early on and there was no testing. | ||
| There was nothing. | ||
| No, you had guys like Mark Coleman showing up looking like... | ||
| Just jacked! | ||
| Mark Kerr was even bigger than Mark Coleman. | ||
| Mark Kerr, the Smashing Machine. | ||
| Have you ever seen that documentary? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| Very good documentary. | ||
| It's an amazing documentary because it was like Icarus in the sense that the way... | ||
| If you haven't seen Icarus, folks, Brian Fogle, the guy who's the director of it, is also the star of it. | ||
| And what happened was Brian, who is an athlete and he does bike races... | ||
| He decided as a cyclist it would be interesting if he did a race natural and then did the same race the next year, juiced to the tits. | ||
| And so he did the race natural, documented it all, and then hired this guy, Gregory Rychenkov. | ||
| And Gregory was the head of the Russian anti-doping agency, which is not real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Russian Anti-Doping Agency is the Russian We Dope Everybody Agency. | ||
| And so Gregory talked Brian through the protocol, told him what to take, how to take it. | ||
| I don't know if he supplied him with it. | ||
| I don't really remember that. | ||
| But along the way, the Russians get busted in the Sochi Olympics. | ||
| Gregory has to flee the country and then rats out the entire Russian Olympic team. | ||
| And now he's got a hit out on him. | ||
| So he's hiding in America and still is. | ||
| He's under witness protection. | ||
| He's got 24-hour armed guards around him all the time. | ||
| And, you know, someone from Russia apparently is looking to kill him. | ||
| So this poor guy's wandering around. | ||
| Well, the smashing machine is like that in that what they were doing was they were studying Mark Coleman, or excuse me, Mark Kerr, when he was at the peak of his popularity in Pride. | ||
| And Mark Kerr was a fucking gorilla. | ||
| Look at him there. | ||
| My God, just an enormous wrestler, super powerful guy, just fucking smashes shit out of people. | ||
| But when they start filming this documentary... | ||
| He is falling apart. | ||
| They catch him falling apart. | ||
| He's addicted to pain medication, so he's shooting up, and he's doing it right in front of the documentary crew. | ||
| He's just out of his mind. | ||
| He's doing steroids. | ||
| He's doing painkillers. | ||
| He's just completely addicted. | ||
| And you see everything collapse. | ||
| They caught it right at the right time, right when the cameras got to him, was right when it was all falling apart. | ||
| And it's a fascinating documentary. | ||
| And that was in the Japan days of Pride, where not only were there no testing, but... | ||
| They literally write it on the contract. | ||
| Yeah, they literally write on the contract, we will not test you for steroids. | ||
| Ensign Inoue, who fought over there, told me they wrote it in all caps, we will not fight it, we will not test you for steroids. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| And so this documentary is like the gold standard documentary for MMA fighters that were substance abusers. | ||
| There's so many of them. | ||
| They were so hooked on steroids. | ||
| There were so many of these guys. | ||
| And then USADA came along, and then their physiques just melted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But not all of them. | ||
| Some guys figured shit out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, some were pretty dramatic, like Johnny Hendrix fell apart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Vitor fell apart. | ||
| Vitor was the most dramatic. | ||
| Yeah, he's usually the poster boy for USADA. Yeah, he was the guy that was probably responsible for them getting rid of the TRT program. | ||
| The TRT program is very controversial because the whole idea behind it was some of these guys need testosterone just like anything else, like thyroid medication. | ||
| We're just going to give it to them. | ||
| But the problem is why do they need testosterone? | ||
| Why does a 26-year-old man have low testosterone? | ||
| Well, the reality is a lot of them were on juice. | ||
| And so their natural endocrine system shuts down and then they get tested during that time period. | ||
| They go, oh my god, this poor guy, he needs medicine. | ||
| And so you give them testosterone and Vitor, like whatever the natural level was, Vitor was at hyperhuman levels to the point where they were worried he was going to die. | ||
| Something a lot of people don't consider about TRT2 that goes overlooked when it comes to these TUEs is even if you're within the natural reference range, like he was pushing it to super physiologic levels. | ||
| That's why, you know, he was getting more scrutiny too. | ||
| But even if he kept his levels at like 700 nanograms per deciliter and that's like a normal level... | ||
| bleed of hormone you're getting all day. | ||
| That's not going to dip based on diurnal rhythm. | ||
| It's not going to dip based on shitty sleep, based on excessive training, based on weight cutting, lack of substrate for actually producing the hormones and nutrition while you're weight cutting aggressively. | ||
| Fucking anything. | ||
| It just stays chronically at 700 the entire time. | ||
| Whereas a natural who has 700 would be like 700 in the morning, goes down to 500, 600, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And obviously when you're weight cutting aggressively, if you're a guy who loses 30, 40, 50 pounds in a matter of a few months to make weight for an event, obviously your test levels are going to go in the gutter too. | ||
| But then you maintain that that entire time. | ||
| Your performance metrics obviously stay far better. | ||
| And also, You get a disproportionate drop in SHBG, which spikes your free test to a level that otherwise would never be achievable. | ||
| Explain that. | ||
| So there's testosterone that's bound to albumin and SHBG, which is your total test. | ||
| What does SHBG stand for? | ||
| Sex hormone binding globulin. | ||
| So it's like a binding protein that regulates how much hormone is freely in circulation to get to target tissues. | ||
| So if you have a higher SHBG, you have less free testosterone that actually is... | ||
| Mm. | ||
| So if you have this drop in SHBG from exogenous administration of testosterone, you get a disproportionate rise in your free test because there's less of this binding protein to hold on to it. | ||
| And when you get that disproportionate rise in free T, you get more psychoactive activity, aggression, muscle building. | ||
| There's a reason why guys on TRT, I guarantee you hold more muscle than they would have otherwise at the same level on paper of a total T with natural levels. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And is there a way that, I mean, they use carbon isotope tests to detect exogenous testosterone, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that detects testosterone that's coming from wild yams, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of ironic how testosterone commercial grade is derived from soy, which is like the complete fucking opposite of what- Yams or soy? | ||
| It comes from like yams, stigmasterol, I forgot all the, like it's basically like soy derived ultimately at the end of the day. | ||
| Yeah, it's like Mexican yams and it's like all these, the way they react it down, it comes from, I think the current way to do it is soy, which is just interesting because that's like the last thing you would think makes testosterone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, soy boy, that is the worst insult for someone. | ||
| So this carbon isotope test, which detects wild yams, they figured out a way to extract testosterone from animal sources. | ||
| Because I know that that was theoretical. | ||
| Commercial-grade testosterone, like the stuff you get from a pharmacy for your TRT, is all derived from the soy derived. | ||
| So the carbon isotope of it, the ratio of it, is indicative of plant-derived testosterone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When you do a carbon isotope ratio test and you combust it down and you see what kind of carbon content is in it when you're checking the urine, you see it disproportionately... | ||
| The carbon-13 to carbon-12 ratio is disproportionately in favor of plant-derived testosterone to a point where there's no way a human could produce this through endogenous steroidogenesis from cholesterol. | ||
| So if you hypothetically wanted to skirt around this test... | ||
| If you had animal-derived cholesterol and you reacted it down, you could hypothetically get a human-looking derived testosterone that's completely immune to detection through the carbon isotope ratio test. | ||
| Now is that just theoretical or has that been achieved? | ||
| Well, it's not like I could pull... | ||
| It's not like you would ever be able to get that from a commercial company that's going to provide it to you, but hypothetically, if you got, I don't know, from like a medical supply company, you've got animal-grade testosterone, or I mean cholesterol, and then you had a chemist who you hired because you're, you know, an athlete who has access to the resources available to pay somebody to do this. | ||
| And you had the lab equipment. | ||
| You could hypothetically manually take that cholesterol and react it down, all the way down to testosterone, just like your body would endogenously. | ||
| And then once you have that, you have testosterone that's been derived from animal-based cholesterol that has a carbon isotope ratio equivalent to that of what looks to be animal-derived rather than plant. | ||
| And then it kind of gets around that system. | ||
| Has that been done? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is not, like, there's no papers on this? | ||
| They're not going to say this is being done and this is how you do it. | ||
| Right, but I was wondering, like, I wonder who, like, is this something the Soviets have done or the Russians have done? | ||
| Is this something the Chinese have done? | ||
| I think athletes in all sports, I don't think it's prevalent. | ||
| Like, especially in the UFC, some of the people who get caught, even at, like, high-level fighters, TJ Dillashaw, he is recombinant EPO, which is highly detectable if you're looking for it. | ||
| So even the highest level of fighters I don't necessarily think have access to the resources to hire these chemists necessarily or even think to do this kind of stuff. | ||
| But ultimately, I do think at a very high level, there are individuals doing this. | ||
| Yeah, I think this individual's doing it too. | ||
| I just wonder if it's been proven that it can be done. | ||
| Nowitzki, Jeff Nowitzki from USADA was the first person to tell me about it, but his take on it was like, we don't really know. | ||
| No, I don't think there's... | ||
| If you can literally take a fucking yam and turn it to test, I cannot imagine it's impossible to take actual human-identical cholesterol, which is literally what your body uses to make tests, And react at them. | ||
| To me, it makes more sense how you get tested out of that than out of a random plant. | ||
| Yeah, that does make more sense. | ||
| And you got to think, out of all the stuff that China does, one of the things they do is these concentration camps. | ||
| They have these prisoner camps. | ||
| And, you know, the people that did wrong speak or whatever and they shuffle them off there. | ||
| I would imagine, I mean, the dark rumor was always like that's where you're getting some organ transplants that some people would go over there to get organ transplants. | ||
| You gotta think they're making testosterone that way too. | ||
| Just using people as like a fucking sponge to drain out. | ||
| Maybe, yeah. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if there are countries doing it, athletes at a high level, in the UFC perhaps. | ||
| As well as in professional sports in general. | ||
| Didn't John Jones block you? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I don't think he likes me. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| Well, I guess it's just I've made a few videos just dissecting his case and giving my opinion on what I think he did. | ||
| And he just doesn't like it, obviously, because it's just bringing up shit that is in his past that he doesn't want dug up, I guess. | ||
| This is the stuff about the drug testing. | ||
| Yeah, because there was that whole debacle with the pulsing and the torinibole metabolite. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's your take on that? | ||
| Personally, I think that if you go back historically to the beginning, like obviously the guy is pretty loose on what he's willing to do in terms of, you know... | ||
| Substances. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So with him, if you go back to his first positive test results, I believe he tested positive for clomiphene and letrozole way back in like 2016 or something. | ||
| So if you look at those two drugs, one of them is an aromatase inhibitor that you would use to prevent gyno formation usually. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then Clomid is like a fertility drug you would use to restore testosterone production, or in women use it to aid in fertility. | ||
| So using those two drugs back then, to me, seemed like something you would be doing to either, you know, prevent the gyno from what you were using at a time when it was less scrutinous, perhaps. | ||
| And then the Clomid, you know, to recover or something was tainted is what his claim was. | ||
| But we already have, you know, history of him doing this or getting popped for something pretty stupid to get popped for way back in, you know, 2015-2016 era, approximately. | ||
| After that, he tests positive for Torinobol. | ||
| And then thereafter, the pulsing. | ||
| But the thing that's interesting about that is when Nowitzki talks about this pulsing M3 metabolite, he refers to... | ||
| Well, it's not him. | ||
| He's just reiterating the research. | ||
| And it's ultimately they use this reference point of Clomid pulsing as a... | ||
| Kind of a proxy to exemplify, look, here's a drug that stores itself in fat tissue and pulses over time. | ||
| So they use Clomid as an example, because they can't just give a human a shit ton of Terenabol and try and figure out if this is going to work or not. | ||
| So they give them this fertility drug, or they've looked in the data and found, parsed out this information about Clomid pulsing. | ||
| And they use that as a reference point for like, look, there's a drug that can pulse over time. | ||
| But the interesting thing is, Jon Jones literally popped for Clomid before. | ||
| But he's never had that pulse. | ||
| So he has this pterinibol that keeps pulsing, but the Clomid they use as the reference point of a drug that can pulse never pulsed for him. | ||
| But didn't he say that the Clomid was from tainted food? | ||
| Yeah, but he still got it in his system. | ||
| So it's like, if you ingested Clomid, why is that not pulsing? | ||
| So what causes something to pulse? | ||
| Explain pulsing to people that don't know what we're talking about. | ||
| Like the idea would be that metabolites of these hormones, like first of all with pterinibol, After Icarus came out, and shortly around that, Rod Chankov is the one who came up with the M3 metabolite test and extended the detection window of Torinobol. | ||
| And that's actually, when I mentioned the Summer Olympics and how many people retroactively got their medals stripped or they got popped for the Summer Olympics for... | ||
| Like, 12 years in totality. | ||
| A lot of those positive test results were forward-to-rendible after they used Rod Chankov's data to retroactively test the urine samples and see. | ||
| They thought, at the time, it was undetectable because they got it out of their system based on the current detection windows. | ||
| But then when Rod Chankov came out with his data, and when they went back and tested it using his assay, you could figure out, oh, past that date, they actually detected for that, you know, the longer-term metabolites. | ||
| So, the idea behind the pulsing is these metabolites that linger, they can store themselves in fat tissue, essentially, and they can liberate themselves over time sporadically. | ||
| Has that been proven, or is that theoretical? | ||
| Yeah, and it was proven in Clomid data, which is interesting because Jon Jones literally is pot for Clomid. | ||
| But didn't pulse for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it hasn't been proven before with this stuff? | ||
| No, with Teranobol, never. | ||
| So, what's your take on that? | ||
| Like, I think personally, like, the amount of tyrinobol he had was so small. | ||
| A lot of times, like, for certain compounds like tyrinobol, the only way you're going to get it is, like, underground. | ||
| Like, you're going to get it. | ||
| It's not a pharmaceutical product that's designed for, like, a clinical application. | ||
| So, you're going to get it designed by an underground lab who sells steroids to, you know, random bodybuilders or a chemist in, you know, China or something. | ||
| And you're kind of just banking on the fact that it's not going to be tainted. | ||
| They're going to use, like, clean equipment. | ||
| It's going to be whatever drug you're hoping to get. | ||
| And there are a lot of different scenarios that might, you know, explain it. | ||
| And there's different theories, like, I could have that could hypothetically. | ||
| Either one could be true, potentially. | ||
| But I think one of the options is a drug he thought he was getting that was potentially undetectable was tainted with serenable. | ||
| or he thought he could get around the detection window by taking it, unaware of Rodchenkov's long-term data that came out, or there's like a variety of different things that could be happening, but ultimately for him, he got it in his system, and on paper, | ||
| when you look at his testosterone levels when you look at his testosterone levels and his ratios of testosterone to epitestosterone, like when he fought DC, they were so out of whack that it would not be explainable, in my opinion, by anything other than some sort of suppression of your system via the usage of something. | ||
| So to me... | ||
| Not hard training? | ||
| Because hard training does suppress it, right? | ||
| Yeah, but to the degree where he's literally like a female, probably not. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It was that bad? | ||
| Yeah, so normally the levels would be over 10 times what he had in general. | ||
| I'd have to pull it up to remember exactly, but he was like in the single digits for urinary testosterone, which otherwise should be like 60 plus or something. | ||
| He was like 4 or something. | ||
| And it was multiple data points of his testosterone being single digits to a point that would indicate significant suppression, in my opinion. | ||
| What could be another possible explanation for it, other than significant suppression? | ||
| Of the super low test levels? | ||
| I don't know, castration? | ||
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| Is that bad? | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty fucking bad, dude. | ||
| It was like the equivalent of you only have your adrenal glands producing testosterone, basically. | ||
| Like your balls are essentially non-functional. | ||
| But explain this then. | ||
| If that's the case, then how would he perform well? | ||
| Because if he's going into a fight with his testosterone that low... | ||
| Because if you have a drug that's suppressing your system, the drug you're taking, presumably, is what is driving your performance vectors that you deem useful enough to use in competition. | ||
| So hypothetically, if I was using Terenabol... | ||
| Like, all those athletes in Russia or whatever using Terenabol, you're going to have some suppression of your testosterone levels, which, you know, on paper could inhibit performance, but you're using the drug to drive performance. | ||
| So even though your endogenous levels are lower, you're relying on this compound you're using that you deem useful enough to dope with, potentially. | ||
| So here's my question. | ||
| If they're using a test that's sophisticated enough to detect that he has these very low testosterone levels and he has this pulsing of terinobol, like where is the room for this compound that's going to significantly increase his performance? | ||
| Yeah, so let's just say, hypothetically, Terenabol or any random oral steroid is not, like, presumably, this isn't 100% factual, this is just speculating based on the levels and whatnot, but if he has a certain, even if he has crushed tests... | ||
| The room, if they're not looking for a certain drug that's not on their list, and you're using it, full board, whatever dose you want, because they can't detect it because they don't even know it exists, then that's going to be significantly performance enhancing. | ||
| Okay, so then we're talking about something like the Balco Clear, that kind of a deal? | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| So, see, the thing is, like, when they catch someone with something like what Victor Conte had come clean with that they use for Barry Bonds and all these different athletes, undetectable, you rub it on your skin, and no one knew what it was. | ||
| We think, oh, well, they caught that guy. | ||
| They're more sophisticated now. | ||
| You can't get away with that now. | ||
| Do you think it's possible there could be some new designer steroids or some new compound that's not on the list of things to be tested for because we don't even know it exists, but yet it is significantly enhancing performance? | ||
| Like the Clear. | ||
| If you don't have an assay developed for it, detecting it is... | ||
| You can't prove anything exists in the body if you don't have an assay to detect it. | ||
| So even though you have this elaborate list of steroids that are known about, if you have a novel drug and you don't know how to detect it, even if you have other markers that look fucked up, like it's testosterone levels in the gutter, there's no threshold amount where you pop because your test is in the gutter. | ||
| They look for high test. | ||
| They don't look for low. | ||
| So if you're really low randomly, they might be like, huh, that's weird, and keep an eye on it. | ||
| maybe test you further for other stuff, but it doesn't mean you couldn't be using something gung-ho the entire time. | ||
| So I do think designer drugs exist. | ||
| I don't necessarily know that they're being leveraged highly in the designer steroid family because you could hypothetically probably be able to determine this compound derived from testosterone was manipulated and, you know, see something iffy and, you know, dig into it and get you know, see something iffy and, you know, dig into it and get a perhaps find out pretty clear pretty soon what it is and retroactively, you know, | ||
| But I do think there are novel agents being developed from the growth hormone side of things, EPO side of things, the testosterone, obviously, there's the carbon isotope ratio proof cholesterol derived testosterone, which you could also potentially argue the guy was Using basic TRT and came off and crashed his system at the time of the test or something. | ||
| There's a million different reasons, but ultimately seeing that level in his urine, testing for a random compound, having in the past tested positive for a fertility drug and an aromatase inhibitor you would only use in the context of drug use essentially, intentionally in most cases. | ||
| It's just like highly improbable. | ||
| I don't think that he's at least tried to do some shit to get around the system. | ||
| So, explain how someone would create something that would mimic the effects of hyperhuman levels of testosterone, but be a novel steroid, like a new compound. | ||
| Well, I think the main loopholes in testing at this point are through bioidentical compounds, so things that your body naturally produces. | ||
| So if you're trying to mimic the benefits of a high dose of testosterone, I think the main go-to, to be honest, is literal testosterone. | ||
| So I wouldn't even, I don't think people are often deferring to these, you know, oral agents that would shut you down and trying to design like a THG, the clear kind of thing. | ||
| I think they're using literal micro doses of actual testosterone, actual EPO, actual GH, things of that nature. | ||
| They're just micro dosing it throughout the day. | ||
| And the idea is that it diminishes quickly so that if you get tested, it's not going to show up. | ||
| Yeah, like I have studies that I could pull out. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Yeah, so for right now, the detection of these things, if they're identical to what you naturally produce, it's kind of difficult to prove one way or the other. | ||
| Like at least with a synthetic drug, if you develop a test for it, you can prove retroactively you use something that should never be in your body. | ||
| But with testosterone, EPO, GH, etc., it's a lot more finicky because it's supposed to be there. | ||
| So, I think that, again, even with randomized testing 24 hours, you have to give a one-hour whereabouts of where you're going to be every single day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hypothetically, after that one-hour window, if you microdose, test, GH, EPO, all these bioidentical compounds, the likelihood that you're going to get detected is like... | ||
| It depends on the individual, and you would do this preliminary data going into your longitudinal testing beforehand, ideally. | ||
| I'm not saying how to do it or anything, I'm just, you know, hypothetically saying. | ||
| And you would kind of know beforehand what it looks like when you take this microdose of a compound and what it does to your, you know, detection parameters. | ||
| So you'd have someone who measures what it's like for you if you take it and you wait four hours, five hours, what have you. | ||
| Yeah, so like hypothetically, like there are studies that literally show people microdosing EPO and GH and getting away with it and almost nobody getting caught. | ||
| And then there are certain genetic polymorphisms that cause it to be nearly impossible to tell if somebody's using even megadoses of testosterone. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So this is just rare genetic anomalies? | ||
| Some of them, yeah. | ||
| So there's some individuals that have a genetic... | ||
| It's like they're literally missing the gene that encodes for the enzyme that excretes testosterone that they test in your urine. | ||
| So they test in your urine for testosterone, like glucuronidated testosterone. | ||
| They add glucuronic acid to the testosterone in your body. | ||
| That's a process that happens to allow you to, like... | ||
| piss it out essentially and some individuals lack the gene that encodes for this enzyme so it makes it so you literally piss out barely any of this you know marker that they test for so you there's people who use upwards of like half a gram of testosterone 500 milligrams which is like a fucking actual bodybuilder cycle essentially and getting no detection that's crazy yeah Yeah. | ||
| So, what do they do if they find out that that person has that gene? | ||
| That's why you have the biological passport, because you could assess over time what does your testosterone look like, and then they develop their own little, like, a much narrower and smaller threshold for red-flagging you. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Goddamn, this is complicated. | ||
| How do you, what was your background in school? | ||
| Marketing. | ||
| Marketing? | ||
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| Which was not useful whatsoever. | ||
| How do you know so much about this stuff? | ||
| Fucking nerd, dude. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So you just start reading it and getting into it, and you have just an ability to remember these things? | ||
| I used to be really into bodybuilding, much more so than I am now. | ||
| I'm still very into it, but not actively pursuing trying to gain stupid amounts of size or anything. | ||
| You used to be gigantic. | ||
| You used to do your shows on a tank top, and you have these fucking worlds on your shoulders, like moons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So for me, just trying to figure out how to do that stuff, I've seen so many bodybuilders die in their 30s and 40s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, a lot of my research has been developed around, like, my research has been developed around trying to not die and live a long, healthy life while using things like testosterone, having a higher body weight than otherwise, you know, maybe optimal for longevity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Stuff like that, and I don't know, I just find it, like, highly interesting. | ||
| I just, like, go down these rabbit holes of things and just end up learning about it. | ||
| I find it interesting, too, but I prefer to just listen to you talk about it and do my own research. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's way easier. | ||
| We were talking before the podcast about athletes and actors and people who are carrying massive amounts of weight and what kind of a toll that takes on your body if you're a 300 pound, 8% body fat guy who's 50. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, yeah, there's a lot of guys that just don't talk about it. | ||
| I think it's weird that they don't talk about it. | ||
| Yeah, especially if you're, I don't know, I guess at the end of the day, even if you claim it's, oh, I'm just on medical prescribed testosterone, People ultimately know that it's not TRT limit levels, you know, if you're walking around at fucking the rock sides, essentially. | ||
| Yeah, the rock's a great example, right? | ||
| I've always been real honest about it, because I've always been like, I just, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. | ||
| Just like I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about doing mushrooms or smoking weed. | ||
| There's definitely a huge stigma around it, though, still. | ||
| Like, even... | ||
| I saw your podcast with Schaub and I think it was Hinchcliffe. | ||
| And he was like, you think The Rock's on steroids? | ||
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And you guys are like, what the fuck do you think, dude? | |
| And he's like, really? | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Don't they test in wrestling? | ||
| First of all, let me tell you something about Hinchcliffe. | ||
| I love him to death. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| But he is the ultimate wrestling nerd. | ||
| He gets up to the precipice of believing it's real. | ||
| He is that guy. | ||
| He fucking loves it. | ||
| So for you to tell him that those guys are on steroids, you'd be like, what? | ||
| But he hangs around you guys, and he still at least has some sort of an inkling of perhaps people use testosterone for medical uses. | ||
| I think he uses it now. | ||
| Yeah, and he still, you know, thought that perspective. | ||
| So you imagine the layman who's just a random person. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyone who just watches a random The Rock movie is gonna, you know, just think, oh, this guy just fucking trains hard. | ||
| He definitely does train hard. | ||
| Oh, he does. | ||
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There's a lot of other shit involved as well. | |
| I think a lot of the time, people don't want people to downplay their hard work, so they don't want to admit it. | ||
| Even bodybuilders who couldn't argue out of taking stuff because it's so obvious, they often will do this thing where they say the doses they use are lower because then it doesn't take away from the fact that they still train hard, they eat perfect, they're so meticulous about their sleep, etc. | ||
| Which I sort of understand, but it's all fucking lying at all levels. | ||
| Yeah, it's just not worth it. | ||
| Especially when it comes to testosterone replacement therapy, because for me, I'm a person where if I find something that's beneficial, I want to tell everybody. | ||
| If I find something that works great for me, I just tell everybody. | ||
| And also, like... | ||
| My business is kind of okay to be a buffoon. | ||
| It actually helps me. | ||
| It helps me to be a moron. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| It's beneficial. | ||
| Especially if you're a self-admitted moron. | ||
| It's like a nice parachute that you can pull. | ||
| Oh yeah, it gives you a nice little chop out. | ||
| So when I talk about it, first of all I talk about it because everything that I find beneficial I feel like I have an obligation to tell people. | ||
| And the thing about the testosterone thing, it's like, I think it comes back from the Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, those guys getting caught doing steroids and everybody was so disappointed. | ||
| In baseball in particular, that was such a big deal. | ||
| If you got caught using steroids or in the Olympics or anything else, like, my God, you're a cheater. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| I want you to think about this. | ||
| Why are they doing that stuff? | ||
| Well, they're doing that stuff because it works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you're not competing in the Olympics, okay? | ||
| It's not like there's some sort of a sanctioned competition where you have an unfair advantage over other people because you're taking testosterone replacement therapy and the normal 50-year-old guy is not. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what do you think is going to happen in 10 years from now? | ||
| Well, 10 years from now, you're going to have another 10 years of low testosterone. | ||
| So during that time, you have a significant breakdown of your tendon strength, muscle tissue, bone density. | ||
| There's a lot of shit that's going to go wrong, man. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| And that's why I always tell people, I'm your poster boy. | ||
| I'll tell you what I'm taking. | ||
| I'll tell you how it works. | ||
| I don't take a lot of stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I take it on a regular basis. | ||
| I get my blood worked on on a regular basis. | ||
| And I'm fucking super healthy. | ||
| Like, it works. | ||
| Like, when I was a kid, when you were 54 years old, you were fucking dead. | ||
| You were a dead man. | ||
| You weren't swinging kettlebells and hitting the bag and doing rounds and doing jujitsu and swimming and fucking working out like a crazy person. | ||
| But you can do that now. | ||
| You can do that now. | ||
| You get your heart checked. | ||
| Everything's great. | ||
| You're looking healthy. | ||
| That's possible today. | ||
| Yeah, I think the longevity of pro athletes has definitely become a bit more... | ||
| It seems like the careers are being extended a little bit too. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think some of it is natural because of science, the understanding of nutrition and supplementation, hyperbaric chambers, all the things that are legal that people do implement. | ||
| There's a lot of legal things that you can do that can change your hormone profile. | ||
| Sauna's a big one. | ||
| There's a lot of different things that people do that do have a measurable effect on your ability to recover, your endocrine system to function correctly. | ||
| Sleep. | ||
| People know how valuable sleep is now. | ||
| It's literally like a performance-enhancing drug. | ||
| People that sleep four hours a day versus people that sleep eight hours a day, the markers are fucking astonishing. | ||
| Yeah, and back in the day, too, especially from the entrepreneurial side of things, people would always advocate this whole, like, sleep when you're dead, you know? | ||
| If you go to bed and sleep for six hours, you get an extra two hours of work that you wouldn't have otherwise. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, stuff like that was popularized. | ||
| Maybe, like, accidentally by guys like Gary Vee, for example. | ||
| He's just, like, the most hyper-aggressive fucking high-energy dude. | ||
| And you're just like, never fucking sleep. | ||
| Just, you know, kill it. | ||
| And nowadays, you know how deleterious that is to just, like, everything. | ||
| Including your actual efficiency when you're awake. | ||
| It's a big deal for me. | ||
| I mean, I'll tell you right now, I got five hours sleep last night, and I just did a workout with John Wolf over at Onnit. | ||
| Me and Bert Kreischer just worked out. | ||
| I'm wrecked. | ||
| My brain is like firing on six cylinders. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| But if I get a good eight-hour sleep and I come in, if I needed to do something where I had to be at my fucking very best, like some super complicated podcast with a shady character, and I had to have all my resources and all my research at my fingertips so I could just pull it out at any moment, I would make sure that I got a lot of sleep and didn't work out that day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like if I'm doing two shows in a night, I won't work out hard during the day. | ||
| I'll have a light workout. | ||
| I'll do like 45 minutes of cardio or something. | ||
| Two shows. | ||
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| That must be fucking insane. | ||
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| Yeah, it's like... | ||
| Because they're at nighttime, too, which is like the tail end of the day where your brain is at the lowest part. | ||
| I used to do three shows. | ||
| Three shows are rough, because the third show, you don't remember what the fuck you've said. | ||
| Because they all blend into each other. | ||
| Because it's like, when you're on stage doing stand-up, it's almost like you're in a trance. | ||
| And then you're in this trance for the third time in the night. | ||
| You're like, what am I talking about? | ||
| Did I already say this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if you don't have a rigid set list of all the bits and how you're going to say them and when you're going to say them. | ||
| It can be a problem. | ||
| Do you have a cognitive stack you use for shows? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I have a bunch of stuff. | ||
| One, I really like this NeuroGum. | ||
| You ever use that stuff? | ||
| I think it rings a bell. | ||
| We have some over here. | ||
| It was a sponsor at one point in time. | ||
| I buy a lot of it on Amazon. | ||
| Another stuff is one thing that my company Onnit makes is AlphaBrain. | ||
| This is the new one, AlphaBrain Black Label. | ||
| I'll give you some of it. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Take it. | ||
| I'll give you a fresh one. | ||
| That's my bottle. | ||
| Yeah, I actually formulate nootropics for my company too, so this stuff highly interests me. | ||
| What do you use? | ||
| What's your stack that you formulate? | ||
| The company I have, it's called Gorilla Mind, and the product is basically based around probably a lot of the same stuff, but cholinergics mainly. | ||
| Acetylcholine? | ||
| Yeah, so having alpha-GPC, I find the most bioavailable form of choline that actually crosses the blood-brain barrier, and then acetylcholinesterase inhibitors that inhibit the breakdown of acetylcholine, so you could use, like, hupergine A is a good one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I have things like ginkgo, bacopa, stuff like that, and then dopamine precursors I like to put in there, too, and basically just... | ||
| Have it so your brain is as mentally sharp, capable of retaining information, memory formations at its peak, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| What's your product called? | ||
| Gorilla Mind. | ||
| Oh, it's called Gorilla Mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So do you take this before podcasts, before you do your video podcasts? | ||
| Yeah, I take it pretty much every day. | ||
| And you take it, say if you want to do something and be at your peak, take it an hour, two hours before? | ||
| What's your... | ||
| For me, yeah. | ||
| I'll usually do like an hour beforehand-ish. | ||
| I'll usually combine it with some sort of stimulant, either just caffeine through a coffee or an energy drink if I want. | ||
| Sometimes I have sleep apnea, so I've been prescribing modafinil for a long time too. | ||
| What have you done for your sleep apnea? | ||
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CPAP. Oh man, those things suck, don't they? | |
| They're kind of annoying to have to wear, but I'm so used to it at this point that it's just part of my routine. | ||
| I have a mouthpiece that I wear that keeps my tongue from falling back. | ||
| A lot of the thick neck guys like you, what happens is your tongue falls back because you have all this extra tissue. | ||
| Around your neck, so your tongue will fall back and cover your air hole. | ||
| That's why you choke and snore real loud. | ||
| Well, this tongue depressor, it's like a mouthpiece, and it holds my tongue down, so it keeps my airway open. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's one of the most overlooked silent killers of... | ||
| Muscular guys. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And fat people. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, because you don't even know you're getting fucked up in your sleep. | ||
| You wake up and you just feel terrible. | ||
| Like I used to go to university classes and sit there and not understand why I'd fall asleep after five minutes every day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the, you know, the lecturer just thought I was a shitty student. | ||
| But in reality, my sleep was just atrocious the entire time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the CPAP is a game changer for me because otherwise, you know, I was getting, I don't know, like... | ||
| I forgot how many episodes of apneas I was having per hour, but it was exorbitant to the point that I probably would be dead by now if I didn't get a CPAP otherwise. | ||
| So when you got this machine, did you struggle to sleep with it on your face for a while? | ||
| Well, when you first start, yeah, because you're not used to something blowing air into your airway and strapped to your head, so I'd often wake up and just be fucking chucked across the room or whatever. | ||
| But some people, they don't get used to it. | ||
| They don't try to get used to it. | ||
| They just do it a couple nights, and they say, this thing sucks. | ||
| Who wants this? | ||
| Some single guys have this idea that girls are going to think it's weird and shit when you show up and you have the CPAP machine. | ||
| It is kind of weird. | ||
| I've never had experience with that, though, personally. | ||
| So when you go over a girl's house and you're going to spend the night, you bring a vacuum cleaner with you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's the thing, too, is, like, it's kind of presumptuous, because if a chick... | ||
| You can't really get around implying you think you're going to be staying at her place with a new chick if you have a fucking machine in your car. | ||
| That blows air, you know? | ||
| She's like, what's this thing for? | ||
| Like, do you think that this is, like... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| If she wants to snuggle and you're over there like Darth Vader... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you don't do that, then you're literally going to be choking in her face. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So, you pick. | ||
| And one of them kills you quick, and one of them keeps you alive. | ||
| And how much of a difference did it make once you started using it? | ||
| Night and day. | ||
| Night and day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Energy levels. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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| Like, I wore a pulse oximeter, and that's how you assess if you have sleep apnea or not. | ||
| And if you are... | ||
| Even like a healthy guy otherwise, and you're lean, even if you're fucking shredded, if you're a big guy, highly recommend a sleep study to anyone, because it's something that, even sometimes significant others, they may just think you're a horrible snorer, and they just go in another room maybe to get away from you, and they just think that's how you sleep, and you're just annoying and loud. | ||
| But you might literally be dying in your sleep, gasping for air. | ||
| Like, I used to wake up. | ||
| Sit up and gasp for air because I was literally at the point of about to pass out and my body wakes me up and makes me breathe. | ||
| Yeah, I had been there too. | ||
| I remember I was on a plane once and there was a guy behind me, it was a long flight, I think it was an international flight, there was a guy behind me, he was a big guy, very overweight, and he was holding his breath, choking for like 15-20 seconds at a time. | ||
| So he's like laying back like, And then he gets up. | ||
| Eventually I go, hey man. | ||
| I go, do you know that you choke in your sleep? | ||
| And he's like, what? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I go, you have sleep apnea. | ||
| I go, listen to me. | ||
| I have sleep apnea too. | ||
| You gotta listen to me. | ||
| You gotta go to a doctor. | ||
| I go, this is fucking you up. | ||
| I go, you tired all the time? | ||
| He's like, oh my god, I'm tired all the time. | ||
| I go, that's why. | ||
| You're not getting any sleep. | ||
| But it was wild to watch someone. | ||
| How often do you watch a guy sleep? | ||
| But on a plane, you watch people sleep. | ||
| I recorded myself before I got diagnosed when I finally knew what this was and I listened to the audio and it was terrifying, dude. | ||
| Yeah, you're just sitting there and all of a sudden you're like literally gasping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's ways you can sleep where it's not as bad, right? | ||
| Like you can sleep on your side. | ||
| I always felt like one of those massage tables would be the move. | ||
| Like sleep with your face. | ||
| So you can lie on your face. | ||
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| With the mask thing, I can't lie on my stomach like I used to because the thing will get pushed out of my airway. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So yeah, that might not be a bad idea. | ||
| How do you lie? | ||
| Sideways? | ||
| On my back, which gets annoying because sometimes you want to roll on your side and then it can be... | ||
| You can, but it's like... | ||
| It knocks off your face. | ||
| Sometimes, yeah. | ||
| You could use the full face mask, which is pretty much impossible to knock off, but that makes a bunch of lines on your face and it encourages mouth breathing, which otherwise is... | ||
| There's research that's come out that implies that's bad for performance and just longevity and whatnot. | ||
| Yeah, mouth breathing is supposed to be bad for you. | ||
| Does your sleep apnea change if you breathe out of your nose? | ||
| Like if I use a nose mask versus a face one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the quality is the same because it's manually putting the amount of pressure I need to oxygenate me, but it encourages that subconscious mouth breathing that otherwise carries into your day. | ||
| So you use a nose one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what does it look like? | ||
| It's just like a big long tube that connects to the machine that's on the ground and then it has this just like a strap that goes on your head up here. | ||
| It's a pretty thin strap here and here. | ||
| It has these little nasal pillows that you just like put into your nose and it's maybe like this big. | ||
| And do you tape your mouth shut? | ||
| I used to, but the tape never adhered properly to me. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| It always fell off. | ||
| And I always wondered, like, how the fuck does anyone use this stuff? | ||
| I think it's a beard thing. | ||
| Yeah, but even when I was clean-shaven, it didn't work for me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe try duct tape. | ||
| Yeah, I actually use this thing now. | ||
| I just remembered, actually. | ||
| It's called... | ||
| So I have the strap for the CPAP mask, which is the nose thing, and then I have another strap that goes around my chin to keep it locked. | ||
| Oh, to keep your mouth shut. | ||
| Yeah, because the tape wasn't working, so I looked for a chin strap. | ||
| How do those work? | ||
| It just ties around your head, so you have a strap here, a strap here. | ||
| Yeah, I know how it works. | ||
| I mean, how effective is it? | ||
| Very. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and I find it better than tape. | ||
| Oh, so that's your move now. | ||
| Chin strap, nose plug. | ||
| Yeah, so it's quite the fucking setup. | ||
| And it does look ridiculous, so I can see why some guys don't want to do it, especially around women, but ultimately, they'll understand if they like you enough. | ||
| It changes your life, though, ultimately. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is a big game changer. | ||
| I remember I was always tired, and then I got it done. | ||
| Well, two things I got done. | ||
| One, I got my nose fixed. | ||
| I had a deviated septum most of my life. | ||
| I've highly considered getting that fixed, too, based on what you said, because you said it was very significant. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It changed everything. | ||
| There were so many people that warned me about empty nose syndrome and, like, weird shit that might happen when you do it. | ||
| What's that mean? | ||
| Apparently, when you... | ||
| Or is that... | ||
| No, that's for a turbinate reduction. | ||
| I got turbinate reduction. | ||
| Yeah, so that, apparently, if it's too dramatic, it gets to a point where you can't even feel the inside of your nose or something, and it feels like it's empty because all the stuff in there is just gone. | ||
| I can't imagine what it's like because it's never happened to me, but people say it's... | ||
| The worst thing ever and it makes them suicidal from how it feels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's some like real weird YouTube videos about guys talking about how they got their deviated septum fixed and the turbinate reduction and their lives have been ruined. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it made me kind of think about it. | ||
| Empty nose syndrome. | ||
| Like you feel like there's a hole in the middle of your face? | ||
| Like that kind of a deal? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Speaking of which, do you ever follow any of these guys that do like wild body modification projects? | ||
| Yes, over the years I've probably done videos on a few of them. | ||
| There's this one guy, I don't know if you've ever heard of him, the Black Alien Project. | ||
| Have you ever seen this? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I might have. | ||
| Jamie. | ||
| Go to the Instagram and look up the Black Alien Project. | ||
| This guy recently just got two of his fingers removed so he could turn one of his hands into a claw. | ||
| He's going to do both hands. | ||
| He's just going to get one and then he's going to heal up and then get the other one done. | ||
| I forget what country he's from. | ||
| It's a different country. | ||
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What is he? | |
| It says France. | ||
| France. | ||
| So his entire body is covered, attached. | ||
| Jesus, fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His eyes are tattooed. | ||
| He's got, like, implants all over his head. | ||
| He got the tip of his nose removed so that there's these openings that go straight into his head. | ||
| And then his left hand, where you're seeing right now, you see all his fingers. | ||
| Now he got those two fingers removed. | ||
| Yeah, that's what his hand looks like now. | ||
| Yeah, what the fuck? | ||
| Sometimes I wonder when it comes to nature versus nurture of being a parent, like how much it's just you're predetermined to be your brain chemistry a certain way versus how you're raised. | ||
| Like how do I avoid having my kid do this, you know? | ||
| I don't know if you can. | ||
| I mean, I think if you... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would imagine this has got to be some abuse. | ||
| Someone had to abuse him. | ||
| I can't imagine that this is just normal brain chemistry. | ||
| Also, what kind of a fucking doctor removes your fingers? | ||
| And how expensive is this, too? | ||
| Imagine the amount of resources of your income you're allocating towards these procedures with the amount of shit he's done. | ||
| The thing about removing the fingers, too, is how ethical is that? | ||
| If you're a doctor, you're removing fully functional fingers. | ||
| Must be like an elaborate thing you have to sign. | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| He's in France. | ||
| Maybe they don't give a fuck over there. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Have a croissant and sit down. | ||
| I'm going to cut your fingers off. | ||
| I've seen the real-life Ken doll. | ||
| He looks like a human still. | ||
| Yeah, that is bizarre. | ||
| And he doesn't look anything like Ken at the end of the day. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he has, like, fake abs, fake chest, fake everything, and... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was what the guy used to look like. | ||
| He was a handsome guy, which is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's wild. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| He's a fucking good-looking guy. | ||
| And then, now, he's this freak. | ||
| Oh, Jesus, look at that picture. | ||
| Like, what is he doing with his lips? | ||
| Is that new? | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Look what he used to look like. | ||
| He's a good-looking dude. | ||
| Like, I gotta imagine, there's like, there's body dysmorphia involved in that. | ||
| I mean, there's some armchair psychology here. | ||
| Whoa, what is that? | ||
| That's what he's getting the claw tattooed into, I think. | ||
| This is from his Instagram story, it looks like. | ||
| So, before and after. | ||
| So, he got the fingers removed, so now is he gonna get the bones removed that are at the base of the hand to make it look like that? | ||
| Like, that's the only way he's gonna achieve that look. | ||
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I must have. | |
| Oh, criminy. | ||
| Wolf. | ||
| Okay, Black Alien Project Evolution, it says 25%. | ||
| So now he's at before, and he's got a Kickstarter, so you can help him pay? | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| I don't know what this is about. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's on a Kickstarter? | ||
| No. | ||
| So I guess he wants to not just remove those last two fingers, but remove all the bones that connect to the wrist from the actual palm of the hand. | ||
| Look at that face. | ||
| That's so crazy, dude. | ||
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He's wearing a bra? | |
| Sure he's got a bra on. | ||
| Super bra. | ||
| Says bra. | ||
| Jamie's looking at all the weird shit about him. | ||
| He's like, hey, is that a bra? | ||
| Out of all the weird shit this guy's got out of the bras, it freaks you out. | ||
| Yeah, that body dysmorphia is a very strange anomaly. | ||
| Like, I was in Hawaii last week, and there was this one lady that came out of the water, and we were looking at her like, oh my god, this poor lady. | ||
| Like, what does she think she looks like? | ||
| She was a skeleton. | ||
| Like, there's no question at all that this lady had some sort of anorexia. | ||
| So she was walking around like a skeleton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was disturbing as fuck. | ||
| Because, like, she probably thinks she looks good. | ||
| Or maybe she even thinks she looks fat. | ||
| Yeah, there's this girl on YouTube, her name's like Eugenia Cooney. | ||
| I don't know if you've ever seen her before, but she's probably the biggest YouTuber who's anorexic, I guess. | ||
| And just her entire comment section is inundated with people saying, like, this is bad, gain weight, you look, you know, this is scary. | ||
| And she just gets, from the start of her YouTube channel to current, she's gotten progressively more skinny to the point that she's like a bone rack. | ||
| And she still posts videos regularly, and she has millions of subscribers, and her entire comment section is just telling her how bad this is. | ||
| There's a mental disorder. | ||
| Does she read it? | ||
| She must be very aware of how people think about it, because people make videos about it all the time, too. | ||
| About her being scared? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| You want to pull that up? | ||
| Post it up so we can see this lady. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| See, look at all the comments, just the top ones. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm genuinely impressed that she's still alive at this point. | ||
| All I can say is God bless, to be honest. | ||
| God bless, huh? | ||
| Yeah, that's atrocious. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| Yeah, and what's wild is if you go on her YouTube and you sort by oldest to newest, you can actually see she was still obviously underweight in the first video, but it gets... | ||
| Is this her first video? | ||
| No, that's 2021. God damn it, dude. | ||
| Dude, they took away dislikes, which is fucking ridiculous. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| Yeah, so now you can't see how downvoted her videos are to reflect the opinion of how people think of her body composition choices. | ||
| So that's her first video. | ||
| 2013. That's pretty thin, but fairly normal. | ||
| She's just a skinny girl. | ||
| Yeah, at that point you're like, okay, you're like borderline... | ||
| Emaciated. | ||
| Yeah, well, she's pretty fucking emaciated. | ||
| Look how tiny her legs are. | ||
| God, that's crazy. | ||
| Imagine walking around like that. | ||
| No, it looks like you're just going to fucking snap and fall over. | ||
| Yeah, like a good breeze. | ||
| But at least it looks like she eats a little. | ||
| Whereas now she looks like she's genuinely starving to death. | ||
| Yeah, so if you start by... | ||
| God, now she looks like a poor girl. | ||
| And it's a disease. | ||
| It's very similar to what bodybuilders have or what women have when they get like triple J tits. | ||
| You know, when they go off the deep end and they just keep getting bigger and bigger implants and then they crush beer cans with them. | ||
| Yeah, with bodybuilders it's wild too because it's almost like the opposite extreme where you actually are aware you're killing yourself very quickly while you're doing it. | ||
| Yeah, like you still want to walk around at like 260 plus, even though you know how stressful it is on all your organ systems, your heart. | ||
| You just want to look jacked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Above all. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's such a strange thing. | ||
| Some guys like Dorian Yates, they get out of bodybuilding and then they become healthy. | ||
| I commend guys like that so much who had... | ||
| Because it's one thing to realize something is unhealthy and fix it, but when your entire... | ||
| Persona is built around this physique and you're like superhuman, to watch it literally disintegrate and be mentally okay with it, that takes a very strong willpower in my opinion. | ||
| Well, it's a shift of perception and consciousness, right? | ||
| Because you can no longer think of yourself as this gorilla. | ||
| You have to think of yourself as a normal human. | ||
| I'm a normal human now. | ||
| Dorian has a great perspective. | ||
| He's a really interesting guy. | ||
| Have you ever talked to him? | ||
| No, I've seen your episodes. | ||
| He was great. | ||
| I really enjoyed talking to him. | ||
| He's super down-to-earth, really easy to talk to. | ||
| And, you know, he basically, his mindset was when he was a bodybuilder, he was going to work harder than anybody. | ||
| He was just going to get fucking massive, just absolutely enormous and huge, crush everybody. | ||
| And then when he was done, he was like, all right, fuck this. | ||
| I'm done with this. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild being able to shift your perspective that dramatically where you're like, the physique is just for competing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you can't get away from the comments of people saying you're smaller, too. | ||
| Like, even for me in my comment section, if it's, you know, the difference between me at peak versus now, it's, oh, Derek, you stopped caring about muscle. | ||
| Oh, what happened? | ||
| And it's like, it's not like I was a bodybuilder level competing at, you know, a pro level or anything like that. | ||
| And he was literally the pinnacle of the sport, 260, 70, fucking shredded. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was one of the biggest ever. | ||
| He was so massive. | ||
| Yeah, and he lost like 70 pounds or something. | ||
| He looks like a normal athlete now. | ||
| Like a normal guy who's athletic. | ||
| But he's got a lot of muscle problems, joint problems, his shoulders are kind of fucked. | ||
| These guys, the worst I've ever seen, though, is Ronnie Coleman, who's a fucking great guy. | ||
| He's got a great attitude about it all. | ||
| They always say, Ronnie, would you do anything differently? | ||
| Yeah, I'd lift more weights. | ||
| He doesn't have any regrets at all. | ||
| I think he said at one point in time, I forget the number of actual back surgeries, but it's very high. | ||
| It's more than 10, I believe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And his whole back is essentially fused, and there's massive scar tissue and inflammation. | ||
| He has trouble walking. | ||
| The nerves are all impinged, and it's all fucked. | ||
| That's the brutal thing too when you get to that size is progressive overload, you get to a point where you're forced to use weights that are so exorbitant to overload because you're way too strong that it's impossible to not literally fucking dismantle your entire infrastructure while you're supporting those loads because you're squatting hundreds and hundreds of pounds, benching hundreds and hundreds, doing this and this, and your bones can't just adapt and be totally fine. | ||
| And your discs. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And your tendons and the cartilage in your shoulders and your labrums. | ||
| Everything's getting destroyed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they can't fucking help it. | ||
| They just fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that rich piano guy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That was a wild one, right? | ||
| The guys who try to retain their size going like 40 plus almost always end up kicking the can real quick. | ||
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He was big. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And weird, right? | ||
| Because he's not really a professional bodybuilder. | ||
| He tried competing to become a pro, and he just doesn't have the genetics from a structural aspect. | ||
| So even though he's a massive fucking dude on stage, he doesn't have the proportions, the symmetry, et cetera, to make it far. | ||
| But he just loved the lifestyle so much that – and his brand was built around it. | ||
| Again, the problem of being one of these guys like The Rock where your entire persona is built around your presence. | ||
| And you just end up retaining it into an age where you can no longer support the drug use the body weight, etc., and... | ||
| Yeah, like what else do you do when you're a 300 pound tattooed up bodybuilder guy and everybody's like, dude, you're a freak, you're a freak. | ||
| Like everything was, he was a freak, you know? | ||
| Is there videos of him competing? | ||
| Yeah, if you type in Rich Piana bodybuilding competition, you'll probably find him competing. | ||
| I think it was like a California state show or something. | ||
| Was he all tattooed up back then? | ||
| Not as much, no. | ||
| And he didn't have the PMMA injections yet. | ||
| What's that mean? | ||
| He got like implants in his arms, I think. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so that's him bodybuilding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He looked pretty fucking good. | ||
| Yeah, if you click that Reddit one, second to the left in the second row, that one, that's pretty solid, dude. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He looked great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then if you look at more... | ||
| But what's wrong with his genetics there? | ||
| That looks like... | ||
| Well, when he's on stage, it's just... | ||
| It could be conditioning. | ||
| It could be the lack of a developed back. | ||
| There's a million reasons why he might not go pro, but that's his arms post... | ||
| Implants in Mexico, apparently. | ||
| So he put implants in his arms. | ||
| Yeah, apparently. | ||
| What kind of implants does someone... | ||
| Like, go down to that lower right... | ||
| Yeah, that one right there. | ||
| What's going on with those arms? | ||
| It was called a PMMA, I think. | ||
| P-M-M-A. Yeah. | ||
| You'd have to Google that because I forget exactly what it is, but that is what I think he had done. | ||
| At least that's the circulating rumor. | ||
| It looks like he's constantly about to take a shit. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| So what do they do in terms of putting an implant in your arm? | ||
| It's like plastic or what is it? | ||
| Like a breast implant type thing? | ||
| Probably, but I'd be talking on my ass, so you might want to just type in PMMA and see what it is on the Google result. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Is that a picture before and after? | ||
| Or maybe just type in, what is PMMA? But that, Jamie, if you just back up to where you just were, it said Rich Piana's girlfriend shows pictures before PMMA oil. | ||
| Oh, it's oil. | ||
| Like synthol. | ||
| You have to... | ||
| No? | ||
| I would not trust the random person who uploaded that. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the problem with the internet. | ||
| But before you do that, scroll down real quick. | ||
| Right there, that picture with the tank top. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That does not look normal. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, those arms, they look inflated. | ||
| Like, the triceps, they don't look normal size. | ||
| Yeah, that's what happens when you do... | ||
| Oil. | ||
| Sinfall is one thing where you do inject just sterile oil in such a bolus amount that it eventually stretches the fascia of the muscle, and you can, you know, manipulate the shape of body parts, and a lot of pro bodybuilders do it, but PMMA is literally like a filler, apparently. | ||
| So there's the term. | ||
| How do you say that? | ||
| Polymethylmethacrylate? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Jamie, help me out. | ||
| I think you hit all those syllables there. | ||
| If you go to PMMA before and after, maybe we'll see other examples of what people use it for. | ||
| A lot of images. | ||
| They use it in their dicks? | ||
| You gotta get a fat hog, bro. | ||
| Just put that PMMA in it. | ||
| You get your fat booty, too. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That girl's getting in her booty. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I watched some video that was horrific of this woman who had ass cancer that she got from butt implants. | ||
| Some chick died recently. | ||
| Some mega-influencer who got butt implants. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, God! | ||
| Removal of silicone hydrogel biopolymer synthol. | ||
| Oh my god, her ass rejected it, and there's this rotting necrotic tissue. | ||
| I'm not showing that picture, by the way. | ||
| Don't show that picture, but show that one next to you with that booty with that girl's on it right there. | ||
| Maybe it's worth it. | ||
| I find they look disproportionately out of balance to a point that it's not, you know, you can tell something's fucking off. | ||
| Well, a girl with a big ass that also has big thighs is hot. | ||
| That's like a gnat. | ||
| Oh, Jesus! | ||
| What am I looking at there? | ||
| So that's a girl who's got the injections and had a body rejected it. | ||
| Now her legs are destroyed. | ||
| It's just lazy. | ||
| Just do squats. | ||
| But the thing is, it takes so long for a woman to develop a big ass and big legs. | ||
| And if they want to... | ||
| I could imagine, because some of them just want a fat ass, and to get that amount of size, you might otherwise need to make the rest of your body a size you don't want it to be to get to that point. | ||
| So I understand why they might want the injections, but... | ||
| Right, you have to get your shoulders bigger, your back bigger. | ||
| Yeah, and most chicks don't want that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it is weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When a girl looks like she might be able to wrestle you to the ground. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's uncomfortable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But a girl with a big ass, like a muscular big ass, and big thighs is hot. | ||
| But when they have a big ass, and then they have little legs that don't feel like they can support them, then it looks like a diaper. | ||
| Like you're wearing a diaper. | ||
| You have diaper butt. | ||
| Yeah, I don't get how they can't tell that it looks... | ||
| Like, I guess once you've done it, you're fucked because you already have it. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| I think it's that same thing. | ||
| It's this body dysmorphia. | ||
| It's like the bodybuilders that don't know how the regular people look at them, and, you know, it's like how the anorexic doesn't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| When they start fucking with their face, that's when it gets really weird. | ||
| Like, the saddest thing for me is when chicks do their lips. | ||
| What's the matter, Jamie? | ||
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Huh? | |
| Oh, I thought you made a noise. | ||
| Sometimes he finds things and you hear, oh, and then you know you're going to get a treat. | ||
| Yeah, this is a dark place to keep going down. | ||
| If you guys want to look, feel free to Google it. | ||
| Go ahead, give me one more. | ||
| What else you got? | ||
| I'm just clicking around. | ||
| No, the lips one is, I agree, makes, I don't, it's weird because a lot of the time when you hear girls say what they would love to have done, you can transparently tell them no guy wants to see that or cares, but they still want it. | ||
| Yeah, they want it because it's a thing in their head. | ||
| Like, they're looking at their own lips and they go, if I just had... | ||
| I would look good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just gets in their head. | ||
| I know a lady who had her lips operated on where they sliced open her lips and stuck some stuff in there. | ||
| And this was like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She probably had it done in the late 90s, early 2000s, back when the technology... | ||
| She was an early adopter. | ||
| And so she has this constant lip scar. | ||
| So it's like a linear scar across lips. | ||
| So when she's talking, you see her lips. | ||
| You see the scar tissue. | ||
| And she's got these fatso lips. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| The proportions of the face seem off. | ||
| If a girl has big lips, usually she has thick skin and thick features and it looks great. | ||
| But if it doesn't fit your face and you got big crazy lips and a little skinny nose, you look like an alien. | ||
| Yeah, I could see if some chick had like a brutally deviated septum where their nose is like off-center or like their lips are so thin that it looks weird where it's not balanced, but the ones with normal features that then go to the hyper-extreme, I could never wrap my head around that shit. | ||
| Yeah, granted, we would still probably say breast implants are fine, even though that's like, not to some severe degree, but just like better than what their natural is. | ||
| And for some reason, our heads can wrap around that looking good, but then other stuff looks not good. | ||
| Yeah, the breast implant's a weird one. | ||
| It's the one where we send out confusing signals. | ||
| And we can somehow perceive that a silicone fucking circle sticking out of your chest. | ||
| I'm like, that's good. | ||
| But your lips with that shit, not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Or your butt, not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what's the logic, you know? | ||
| There's no logic. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| You can't argue with it. | ||
| It just is what it is. | ||
| For some reason, boobs don't seem as personal. | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| More is not... | ||
| Is there something about your mouth? | ||
| You doing your mouth, like your lips, it seems sad. | ||
| Like, I don't even know biologically why I would be attracted to bigger tits anyways. | ||
| Like, does it imply you're better at feeding a child or something? | ||
| But then it's weird how you're cognizant of the fact that it's fake, but you're like... | ||
| Primitive brain is so fucking dumb. | ||
| It's like, I can't even tell that silicone has nothing to do with it. | ||
| I don't care if I'm being tricked. | ||
| Keep tricking me. | ||
| Well, you know, we have certain things that your biology just gears into and gets attracted to, like hip-to-waist ratio. | ||
| Girls with thin hips and big waists and big butts. | ||
| Just whatever it means to whatever your DNA signal is that picks up on that and goes, that is a girl who needs to breed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so it's fucking strange. | ||
| Just the... | ||
| I mean, because it's... | ||
| For us, it makes sense. | ||
| We know what's hot, what's not. | ||
| But if you were a biologist from another planet trying to study human beings... | ||
| No, it wouldn't make any sense. | ||
| You'd be like, what are they doing? | ||
| This is the weirdest animal ever. | ||
| They like to be tricked. | ||
| The women are all wearing high heels. | ||
| And a totally fake face with makeup all over it. | ||
| Yeah, all over it. | ||
| To the point of being unrecognizable and you're just... | ||
| Oh, well, I'm sure you've seen those TikToks of the girl who has no teeth and she looks like shit. | ||
| She looks like hell, like a total meth head. | ||
| And then she puts her dentures in, then does her face up, and then does her hair up, and then she looks super hot. | ||
| Dentures? | ||
| I've seen a lot of chicks getting veneers lately that don't need them. | ||
| No, this girl has no mouth. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Her teeth are... | ||
| Well, no teeth, rather. | ||
| That's her. | ||
| That's her on the right. | ||
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Damn, yeah. | |
| That's what she looks like on the left. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's almost like when you're dating somebody, it almost would be prudent to be like, let's see what you look like with nothing. | ||
| But it's crazy. | ||
| It's like, she has no teeth. | ||
| Like, how do you lose all your teeth? | ||
| Where'd your teeth go? | ||
| First date questions. | ||
| It says, young mom who lost all her teeth while pregnant. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| What the f- How, though? | ||
| Well, doing math. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I'm just guessing. | |
| But look how hot she looks on the right. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Goddamn ad blogger. | ||
| I mean, it's really weird, again, that it doesn't bother us at all, that we know that is not what your face looks like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we go, oh, you look great. | ||
| TikToker. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Princess X. | ||
| Glitter head. | ||
| Glitter head. | ||
| Has gone viral from her transformation from toothless to gorgeous. | ||
| It's kind of funny that she, oh, she experienced tooth decay and loss throughout her pregnancies. | ||
| She shared her experience with dentures to help other young people with tooth problems. | ||
| How the fuck would you have tooth decay during pregnancy, though? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe some rare anomaly, health anomaly. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| So, what, I mean, what can someone do? | ||
| She experienced toothaches. | ||
| Front teeth broke. | ||
| My two front teeth broke, and then she got partial replacements. | ||
| Took a huge hit on me emotionally, and I was losing my teeth. | ||
| My husband married me with perfect teeth, and the next year, his wife is missing front teeth. | ||
| She's 36. Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's crazy that she does this. | ||
| It's like, that's a ballsy move to put that out to the whole world where you can see you without your teeth, like scroll down, see her without her teeth, and then see her dolled up with the teeth. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a trap. | ||
| But it's an amazing trap. | ||
| Like, look how good she looks. | ||
| Like, scroll it. | ||
| Look on the lower right-hand corner. | ||
| She looks fucking amazing in comparison to what she looked like with no teeth and no makeup on. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's wild if you... | ||
| It must have been just, like, severe nutrient deficiency or, like, hormone. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Some hormones and stuff. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Mediocre nutrition and genetics. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Just some weird... | ||
| Oh, what's that? | ||
| After accidentally swallowing fluoride? | ||
| He said, genetics and mediocre nutrition contributed to her tooth decay. | ||
| She'd also feared their dentist ever since throwing up after accidentally swallowing fluoride during an appointment as a kid. | ||
| That led me to delay treatment. | ||
| Oh, so she never went to the dentist? | ||
|
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Yeah, okay. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's not available to men. | ||
| There's not, like, if a guy gets fake teeth, it's weird. | ||
| Veneers, I think, are becoming more popular than men now. | ||
| Conor McGregor got them. | ||
| Sometimes they look overdone to the point where I'm like, you have fucking, like, some chompers now that look weird on you. | ||
| Why are you laughing at Conor McGregor's teeth? | ||
| It's funny how much he likes to show them off. | ||
| Oh, he likes everybody to know. | ||
| Yeah, he has, like, big pearly white smiles now. | ||
| Whereas he used to be such a badass who just never smiled. | ||
| Well, he probably got a few teeth cracked and broken from sparring and fights and stuff. | ||
| I mean, man, you get hit in the head with a fucking elbow or a knee or something like that. | ||
| You know, your chin. | ||
| You know, they used to call Eve Edwards the dentist because he'd fuck so many people's teeth up. | ||
| Josh Neer, too, that was his nickname. | ||
| He'd fought in the UFC. He'd call him the dentist. | ||
| He'd just smash people's teeth out after he knocked a few guys' teeth out. | ||
| What do you think's next for McGregor after a little lost streak? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| The last loss, even though it was a bad loss in that you see him lying there with a broken leg, his performance wasn't bad. | ||
| The real problem was he went into that fight with a cracked shin, and they had looked at it in training. | ||
| They had got a scan on it, and they were concerned, but they thought it was just a deep bruise. | ||
| It was hard to tell what was going on. | ||
| During the course of that first round, it cracked. | ||
| And there's an interesting moment, and Dustin talked about it, where he checked one of the kicks and he pointed to Conor. | ||
| Like, I know that hurt you, bitch. | ||
| You could see him pointing after he checked it, and that was the same leg that eventually cracked. | ||
| And Conor, to his credit, kept throwing it like a fucking savage, and it buckled it. | ||
| Another time he threw a leg kick, and you could see the leg kind of buckle. | ||
| And then when he went to step back on it, just completely gave out, which is pretty wild. | ||
| It's pretty rare to see it happen like that. | ||
| Generally, when you see a leg break like that, it's from a check and you see it immediately. | ||
| Like the guy checks a kick and you see the leg snap and the guy just falls down like Anderson Silva. | ||
| Yeah, not keep fighting and then have it happen after. | ||
| Chris Weidman is a good example. | ||
| There's a few. | ||
| Tyrone Spong did it with Gokhan Saki and Glory Kickboxing. | ||
| But it's pretty rare. | ||
| It's more common for some reason in MMA than it is even in Muay Thai, which I'm not sure why. | ||
| And, you know, if you ask a top-level trainer, like Kirian Fitzgibbons or something like that, they'll tell you they're just checking wrong. | ||
| These guys, they're throwing wrong and checking wrong, and the MMA guys, they'll throw full blast, and all a guy has to do is just check one kick. | ||
| And they'll throw empty kicks, right? | ||
| Meaning they don't set it up with punches, just throw... | ||
| Wind up and throw one power kick and the other guy just gets the knee up in time and snap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the shin is so vulnerable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially the lower part of the shin. | ||
| If you catch a guy's knee, if someone throws a kick and you catch it up here and they hit you with this part, boy, they're going to lose every time. | ||
| This part... | ||
| Like right above the ankle, like six inches above the ankle, so weak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In comparison to like two inches below the knee, this shit is rock hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like it's like supported by the joint, that thick upper part of the fibula, you know, the tibia. | ||
| Do you just become like numb when you practice that often? | ||
| Like guys like Adesanya that rely on those like sniper fucking kicks, do they just like not even feel it when they do them now? | ||
| They feel it, but not as much. | ||
| The shin itself becomes hardened and calloused. | ||
| You actually get microfractures all over the shin because, you know, you're constantly whacking it and inspiring. | ||
| Even if you're wearing shin pads, like there's some guys that will practice, like Kevin Ross made a bag for me that's in my LA studio that I've got to bring over to here that's a sandbag. | ||
| It's made out of all sand, and I would kick it. | ||
| And it fucking hurts like hell, man. | ||
| It's just sand. | ||
| So you just thunk, thunk. | ||
| It's just so hard. | ||
| But when you do that, it really conditions your shins. | ||
| And it actually makes your bones stronger, too. | ||
| You've seen guys, I'm sure, break baseball bats with their shins. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| After a while, they can just smash right through a baseball bat. | ||
| But the parts of your shin that are exposed, like bone, you can harden. | ||
| But the shit you can never harden is your calves. | ||
| That is why that has become such a weapon in MMA, the calf kick. | ||
| Because the nerves and the tissue is all exposed. | ||
| And there's so little of it. | ||
| Like if somebody punches you in the forearm, my god, it hurts so much more than punching you in the ass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, punching you in the ass is, you know, there's a lot of meat there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But your forearms, like if someone kicks your forearms, that's one thing about MMA that people don't take into consideration. | ||
| When you see guys block a kick, that fucking hurts so much. | ||
| When someone's kicking you and you block it like this and you take it on the forearm, that shin just slamming into your arms, a lot of times guys are losing like 50% of the strength in their arms. | ||
| But it looks normal because they're still moving around and they're still throwing punches, but everything is numb. | ||
| Everything hurts. | ||
| It's just like the whole arm is just like, ugh! | ||
| And you're still throwing punches, but it's throbbing. | ||
| Shins always beat forearms. | ||
| I've trained with guys where they're holding pads for me and their fucking arms go numb from holding pads. | ||
| They have a big ass pad and just slamming kicks into the pads and they can't move their arms afterwards. | ||
| Now imagine it's just meat. | ||
| Just meat and the bones slamming right into the meat of your arm. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't do anything about that. | ||
| Like, you can only toughen that up so much. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But the shins, you can toughen the shins up pretty good. | ||
| Do you still have the same kind of like training styles that you used to? | ||
| Like I remember some of the old kicking videos that you used to have back in the day. | ||
| Do you still do all that stuff just as regularly? | ||
| Yeah, I can do that still. | ||
| Yeah, I have a bag set up in my house and I have a gym where I have weight lifting equipment on one side and the other side is matted up for jujitsu and heavy bags and yeah. | ||
| What's your weekly exercise routine like? | ||
| Your time is so valuable and limited. | ||
| How do you choose what to allocate it to accordingly? | ||
| It's kind of a trick. | ||
| It seems like I work more than I do. | ||
| It gets so efficient now because you have people working for you kind of thing. | ||
| Well, it's also like an actual podcast is only like three hours. | ||
| So it seems like a long time. | ||
| But like with you, we don't have to do any research. | ||
| I've watched a bunch of your videos. | ||
| I'm like, I can't wait to talk to that guy. | ||
| It's going to be fun. | ||
| So I have time in the morning. | ||
| So in the morning, you know, I get up early, you know, see my kids off, or today I drove them to school, then I have all this time. | ||
| So, you know, if the podcast starts at 1230, like today, and then I drop my kids off at 8, I have all that time. | ||
| So that time is my training time. | ||
| So today I went to the Onnit gym, got a great workout with John Wolf and Bert Kreischer. | ||
| And today was like mostly mobility drills. | ||
| A lot of like John is into a lot of range of motion stuff. | ||
| And then we did a lot of kettlebell stuff and bear crawls and all this. | ||
| He's into like all this crazy bodyweight stuff. | ||
| And then we finished up with a lot of kettlebell stuff. | ||
| But other days, I'll do like rounds on the bag. | ||
| And what I'll do is I'll usually do like Airdyne machine. | ||
| I'll do like the Echo Bike. | ||
| You know, the Rogue Fitness has a great... | ||
| Their version of the Airdyne machine is like super beefy. | ||
| Do you ever use those? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Never, no. | ||
| They're the shit, man. | ||
| Tabata sprints on those is fucking... | ||
| You want to talk about a brutal cardio workout, 20-second sprint, 10-second rest. | ||
| 20-second sprint, 10-second rest. | ||
| And you do it for eight repetitions, so eight 20s, right? | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| And then 10 seconds, you're like, nine, seven, seven, and then you do it again. | ||
| And it's incredible for your cardio. | ||
| So I'll do those. | ||
| I'll do like a set of those, get warmed up, and then mostly I'll stretch and then work on kicks. | ||
| So I'll start off with like kicks in the air. | ||
| I get my stretching in, Make everything nice and loose. | ||
| And then once I feel like everything's loose, then I'll do rounds where I'll just like shadow boxing and throwing kicks in the air. | ||
| And then once I get loose enough to the fact that I feel like I can, like everything's completely stretched out, all my tissues warm, then I will do like repetitions, like a hundred kicks with this leg, a hundred kicks with that leg. | ||
| And then I'll work on my form and stretching. | ||
| Then once I've done that, then I set the timer and do rounds in the bag. | ||
| Ah, okay. | ||
| So the difference between kicking in the air and kicking in the bag is when you're kicking in the air, you get this full range of motion techniques. | ||
| Like as you're throwing round kicks, you completely follow through. | ||
| You're also controlling your leg through the entire kick. | ||
| So it's like there's something to that as well as hitting things. | ||
| Like you got to do both, I think, in order to have like good kicks. | ||
| And so I'll do that and I do, you know, boxing rounds in the bag, kickboxing rounds in the bag. | ||
| And then other days I'll just do, like I have kettlebell routines that I do. | ||
| Other days I'll do just hard cardio, different shit, depending on what I feel like doing. | ||
| No like traditional weightlifting stuff? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| I very rarely, sometimes I deadlift. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, that's basically it. | ||
| But the heaviest weights I lift are like 70 pounds. | ||
| Like, unless deadlifting. | ||
| Like 70 pound kettlebells is generally the heaviest shit I use. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably good at this point for longevity, I would imagine. | ||
| There's definitely a huge disparity between the guys like Coleman, who trained mental, full board, low reps too with high weight, and then the guys like Jay Cutler, who went higher rep, higher volume to achieve the same level of breakdown of the muscle, but took them... | ||
| It's like more sets in the gym and more time intensive, but now they can still train perfectly in their 40s. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's a difference. | ||
| And also the crazy thing is I'm still strong. | ||
| Like even though I don't lift heavy weights, like one time we did a podcast, we got really drunk. | ||
| And the guys went out to the gym. | ||
| It was in the LA studio. | ||
| I had a studio that was set up in one part of this warehouse and then connected to it. | ||
| It was this full gym, like all rogue equipment. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| And these dorks, like Bert Kreischer and Tom Segura and Ari, they all got under the bench and they tried to put up 225. They were all benching 225. And I don't bench. | ||
| I don't ever do it. | ||
| But I busted out like 13 or 14 reps. | ||
| And I don't bench. | ||
| But it's just because I do so much kettlebell. | ||
| That's fucking good, dude. | ||
| Two plates for 13, 14. So it's all just kettlebell muscles, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know that there's a guy that's really fun to watch his Instagram channel, Every Goddamn Dre. | ||
| Do you know him? | ||
| If I saw it, maybe. | ||
| Dude's super jacked. | ||
| And he does everything with kettlebells. | ||
| He's a fucking behemoth. | ||
| Just super jacked, like perfect physique. | ||
| But he also, like in the things, like occasionally, he'll do stuff with traditional weightlifting stuff. | ||
| And he said, it's interesting that like when he goes, I'm paraphrasing, but when he goes and does traditional weightlifting stuff, he hasn't lost any of his strength. | ||
| He's like super fucking strong. | ||
| But most of the time when you see him, like maybe he'll have like a 70 pound kettlebell. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's just deadlifting stuff. | ||
| The dude's like, jacked. | ||
| But if you see some of the other ones, Jamie, where he's shirtless and he's doing most of what he does, see what he's doing there? | ||
| That's probably like a 45-pound kettlebell. | ||
| If you see some of his stuff, like here it is. | ||
| This is mostly the kind of routines that he does. | ||
| But I mean, look at the amount of muscle that guy's carrying around. | ||
| I mean, he's fucking massive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's all kettlebell stuff. | ||
| But look how difficult that shit is. | ||
| There's these one-legged things that he's doing, like these split squat things that he's doing where he's going sideways. | ||
| Like that right there might be 70 pounds. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| It might be 50. It's hard to say. | ||
| And I don't know how big the guy is, like how tall he is, but he's obviously super jacked. | ||
| Click on that one right there. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of the stuff that he's doing is he does it in the living room of his house. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's pretty heavy weight. | ||
| That looks like it's about 90. So it's 48, 4 kilograms in the caption. | ||
| Okay, so what is 48 kilograms? | ||
| 90 something? | ||
| Probably like 100. 100, yeah. | ||
| It's 2.2 per pound, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's pretty fucking strong. | ||
| But again, he's doing all this kettlebell stuff where it's full body, functional strength exercises. | ||
| That's a real weight, right, Joe? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, everybody made fun of me because of the Chris Cuomo thing, man. | ||
| I thought it was real. | ||
| I'm being naive, I guess. | ||
| But eventually I looked at it and I go, yeah, that is kind of weird how you can move it around like that. | ||
| Yeah, just like a fucking paperweight. | ||
| So that guy's fire now? | ||
| They got rid of that dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| For a weird reason. | ||
| I mean, not weird. | ||
| Ethically, I get it. | ||
| Because he helped his brother. | ||
| I don't know how he helped his brother. | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| His brother was getting... | ||
| People were accusing him of sexual harassment. | ||
| And so did he do research on the people that... | ||
| Is that what he did? | ||
| I remember reading he texted someone who knew of the situation. | ||
| Like, what do you got on someone? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, that's it? | ||
| I don't know if that's it. | ||
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I just... | |
| Should use signal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or call the guy. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He probably didn't think anything of it. | ||
| He probably did it on instinct. | ||
| But yeah, he's done. | ||
| What does a guy like that do when you get fired from something like that? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I thought that guy was immune to everything. | ||
| Well, I think CNN is realizing that their ratings are dogshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that having these highly polarizing editorial personalities like Stelter and Don Lemon and, you know, Michael Malice is fucking hilarious. | ||
| You know what he did? | ||
| He put up, he goes, now that Chris Cuomo's gone, who's the alpha male over at CNN? And he put up a poll and everybody said Anderson Cooper. | ||
| Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| I think Anderson Cooper came in first. | ||
| I personally, maybe this is just my bias, I want the news. | ||
| I want objective news. | ||
| I want someone to tell me what are the facts of what's going on and what's happening. | ||
| I don't want your ideological slant. | ||
| I don't want this left-wing propaganda network, which is what CNN's become. | ||
| The way I look at CNN now is so differently than the way I looked at CNN 15, 20 years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I used to look at them as like, this is how I get the news. | ||
| This is unbiased, professional news. | ||
| They're going to tell me what's happening in Pakistan and what's happening in Mogadishu. | ||
| These are the real journalists that are telling you the news. | ||
| Now I look at them, I go, you fucking propagandists. | ||
| The right arm of Pfizer. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think there's a market for real news, and it's really hard to find that now. | ||
| It's really hard, especially outside of independent sources. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and I guess if you're trying to even take a balanced approach to things, like, are you even going to be censored to the point where you can't even be a news outlet to begin with? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think the dumbest fake weight was Stallone, though. | ||
| Don't you think that one? | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| That one was so ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, like, the amount of trying to sell it was just absurd. | ||
| It's like, what happened, man? | ||
| Are you okay? | ||
| How much attention do you need? | ||
| You're Sylvester Stallone. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know why he thought that was a funny thing to do. | ||
| Do you think he's funny? | ||
| Do you think he was trying to be funny? | ||
| Or do you think he was trying to sell it? | ||
| Well, that's the argument. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Because then some people would think there's no way he is dumb enough to think people are going to buy it, and it's supposed to be a joke. | ||
| He's from a different time. | ||
| I know! | ||
| That's why you might think he just is actually trying to sell it, too, which, you know, the amount of grunting is pretty dramatic. | ||
| He put heavy in quotes, and he didn't delete the post either. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let me see it again. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| So, yeah, it's almost like he's selling it before he's even lifting it. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| Does it have volume for people to... | ||
| Audio. | ||
| So you've been there every day. | ||
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So funny. | |
| Ah, for sure I've been. | ||
| That is obviously so fake. | ||
| And then he crashes him into the ground. | ||
| Like, the way they hit, if they bounced back, he would have been fucked. | ||
| Yeah, it would have smashed his shins. | ||
| People thought that was real, though? | ||
| I don't think they did. | ||
| I think most people figured that it was fake, but... | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Look, the Chris Cuomo thing, I thought it was just really strong. | ||
| But I didn't think about it, because I don't use, like, a 100-pound dumbbell. | ||
| Yeah, if you're used to using kettlebells all the time, then maybe I could see how you might not be able to... | ||
| I just didn't look at it discerningly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also didn't think someone would be dumb enough to use a fake weight. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| But I think someone wrote his name on that weight, right? | ||
| Didn't someone give him that weight? | ||
| I think it was a, yes. | ||
| Like a gift. | ||
| So he was probably like too proud to tell people, this is really 100 pounds. | ||
| I'm just fucking around. | ||
| Yeah, but like thought like I'll play it off and people think and I bought it Hmm, but then you see like a real bodybuilder using a hundred pound dumbbell. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's different Yeah, no, I think most some layman would see the you know Cuomo video and be like damn this guy's a fucking house like look at him toss this hundred pound double around There are some people that are stupid strong and they don't even look that big and Yeah, yeah, definitely. | ||
| But it's odd. | ||
| Strength is an odd thing, man. | ||
| There's one thing that's weird, is wrestler strength. | ||
| Some of the strongest fucking human beings that I've ever met were wrestlers. | ||
| There's this dude, Eric, I forget his last name, but we used to do drills together and he wasn't much bigger than me, man. | ||
| He was, you know, I'm 200 pounds now. | ||
| Back then I was probably 190 and maybe he was 200, 205 at the most. | ||
| So maybe he's 15 pounds heavier than me. | ||
| And we used to do these drills, this knee-on-belly drill. | ||
| The knee-on-belly drill is you're on your back, the guy has his knee across your belly, and generally like hands on one shoulder and maybe an overhook on one of your arms. | ||
| And the idea is he's trying to hold you in place and you're trying to explode out of there, you know, put pressure on the knee, hip escape, get out of the position. | ||
| When he was on top of me, I wasn't going anywhere. | ||
| This fucking dude would pin me down. | ||
| It was crazy how strong he was. | ||
| But then when we reversed it and I was on top of him, I would just go flying. | ||
| He was so fucking strong that he would get his hands on you and he'd fuck! | ||
| And you would just literally be lifted into the sky. | ||
| I couldn't hold him down. | ||
| And it was this wrestler strength that is just, he wasn't that much bigger. | ||
| Because there would be other guys that were that big and he would train with them and it was proportionate. | ||
| It made sense. | ||
| Like we'd roll with them and they were strong, but it wasn't freakish. | ||
| And then wrestler strength is like a different kind of strength. | ||
| They're so used to manipulating bodies and they're so used to just being able to push things. | ||
| They're always just pushing and pulling and pushing and pulling and they just have this fucking preposterous tendon strength. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird how transferable or not some exercises are for, like some people are just disproportionately strong at one lift for some reason. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where they can deadlift a fucking ridiculous amount, but then bench, they suck at, and then transferring to actual athletics, it might not even make a difference at all, and they get tossed around by some dude who can't even bench a fucking plate or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's a big one in martial arts where it's power. | ||
| Power for striking is the strangest thing because you can get people to hit a little harder. | ||
| There's things you can do like cable drills. | ||
| There's some explosive plyometrics that can increase your punching power and your kicking power a little bit, but not much. | ||
| Not much where you're ever... | ||
| No one's ever going to mistake you for Melvin Manhoof or something like that. | ||
| There's certain people that just have fucking crazy power. | ||
| And it's so weird. | ||
| Like, there's this guy, Alex Pereira. | ||
| He fights in the UFC now, but he's the only guy that knocked out Stylebender. | ||
| He knocked out Stylebender in a kickboxing bout, and then he finally made his UFC debut. | ||
| And I was so excited about this. | ||
| I'm like, because this guy has this fucking freakish... | ||
| Disproportionate power, where it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Like, you look at him, you're like, what are you made out of? | ||
| Like, you're built different. | ||
| He hits people and just sends them flying. | ||
| Like, everybody goes unconscious. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| And he hit this guy. | ||
| Like, there's him right there. | ||
| And look at him, slides out of the way. | ||
| Like, he knows the guy's gonna fall. | ||
| Everybody falls with him. | ||
| But he knocked this guy out. | ||
| Like, look at this. | ||
| I mean, this is a good punch, but it's just... | ||
| The reaction that people have to his strikes is just different. | ||
| Everybody goes unconscious. | ||
| Is he middleweight? | ||
| He's a middleweight, 185 pounds, yeah. | ||
| Pull up his last KO, because it was fucking crazy. | ||
| The guy desperately tried to get a hold of him and hold him down. | ||
| Oh, it's just us talking about him, because I'm just talking about how ridiculous he is. | ||
| It's literally like the dude's made out of wood or something. | ||
| There it is right there, far right. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's the impact of it, but there's a video right up there, above that, above that, right there. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Oh, it doesn't show the actual knockout? | ||
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No, it just shows you guys. | |
| No, here it is. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Why would they do that? | ||
| Well, you can find it. | ||
| Find the KO UFC. Sometimes the UFC actually stops the knockout blow from being put online. | ||
| Yeah, they're pretty heavy on copyright. | ||
| I don't get that. | ||
| I literally don't get that. | ||
| Don't you want people to watch it again? | ||
| No, they've copyrighted my videos before. | ||
| I think they think that if somebody watches that, then they're not going to watch the actual fight and pay for the pay-per-view. | ||
| I couldn't disagree more. | ||
| Especially if you're giving commentary on something that's occurred years ago, even. | ||
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It's so crazy. | |
| It's like I'm drawing attention potentially to a sport that you would want advertised. | ||
| It's free advertising. | ||
| It's essentially free advertising for the sport. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| It's Hollywood shit, right? | ||
| It's copyright for music, copyright for film. | ||
| They don't want you touching their stuff. | ||
| But when you're literally promoting it... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, dude's like, what the fuck just happened? | ||
| Watch this knee. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, and he just walks away, and he tried to stop the fight, but Dan Mergliata was determined to watch that guy get murdered. | ||
| So what's his record in the UFC right now? | ||
| Did he just enter? | ||
| Yeah, 1-0. | ||
| He's undefeated in, I think he might have lost one MMA fight early in his career. | ||
| So what held him back from being in the UFC sooner? | ||
| Well, he was a glory kickboxing champion in two weight classes. | ||
| So he just wanted to maintain that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I mean, not just maintain it, but he was also preparing for the UFC. So preparing... | ||
| The grappling aspect of it is a big deal. | ||
| And it's also like, his rise... | ||
| His rise as a kickboxer coincides with Glover Teixeira's rejuvenation as an MMA fighter because they train together. | ||
| It's really interesting because Glover just won the light heavyweight title and he's 42, which I think is like the second oldest guy to ever win a title. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And also in a very competitive weight class against this guy Jan Blachowicz, who's a fucking murderer, right? | ||
| And Glover just dominated him, took him down, beat him up, strangled him, dropped him, hurt him bad standing, then got him to the ground, strangled him. | ||
| But Glover has been training with Alex Pereira. | ||
| And so they've been enhancing each other's skill set. | ||
| Glover's a fantastic grappler, great wrestler, black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and also a very good striker. | ||
| But Alex Pereira is literally the scariest striker on earth. | ||
| So the two of them together, it's really greatly enhanced Glover's abilities and also greatly enhanced Alex. | ||
| So the two of them together, now competing in the UFC, it's a big deal. | ||
| And then Alex is the same size as him too. | ||
| Because even though he fights at 185, he also held the Glory 205-pound title and was knocking people out at light heavyweight as well. | ||
| He was the only two-division champion over there. | ||
| Has Adesanya posted about that guy coming into the league? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he knows it's a big fight for him, and I'm sure he wants to get that W back or get that L back. | ||
| I guess that's all. | ||
| What else is there to do in the middleweight division right now for him? | ||
| There's a rematch with Whitaker. | ||
| That's a big fight. | ||
| Whitaker's looked fucking amazing ever since Stylebender knocked him out, you know, and maybe with a different approach it could be a different fight, but Adesanya is just so smart, man. | ||
| He's so clever. | ||
| Like when you watch him fight, for a person like me who loves like intricate, high-level striking setups and traps, he's the master. | ||
| Him against Costa was like watching a master chess player. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just pick apart an amateur. | ||
| Someone who's like a berserker. | ||
| Because Costa's a berserker. | ||
| He just likes to charge at you and pin you up against a cage and beat you up. | ||
| Which is fine if you stand there and trade with him. | ||
| But Adesanya's like, not today, bitch. | ||
| I'm over here. | ||
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Whack! | |
| And there's your leg again. | ||
| Whack! | ||
| And his leg was trashed early in that fight. | ||
| But he looked like he had cup marks all over his legs at the beginning of the fight. | ||
| He might have had some damage going into that fight, but I think there's also the psychological burden of competing against Adesanya. | ||
| He was fucking with his head. | ||
| He said he got drunk the night before, which is just crazy. | ||
| He came up with all these excuses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wanted a rematch right away. | ||
| Like, dude, you got lit up like a Christmas tree. | ||
| You can't get a rematch right away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As much as I've talked about his speculated hormone use in the past and stuff, I actually love watching that guy fight. | ||
| Him versus Romero is fucking insane. | ||
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Insane. | |
| One of my favorite fights. | ||
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Insane. | |
| And it was almost disappointing to see how... | ||
| I guess your strategy is going to be different against Adesanya, but he was so timid and just not effective at all. | ||
| Some guys can keep it together up until the big one. | ||
| The real big one. | ||
| Just they get dwarfed by the moment in the big one. | ||
| They can fight real good in the pretty big ones, but then there's something about that world title. | ||
| There's something about Bruce Buffer standing in the middle of the octagon. | ||
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Israel! | |
| You see Stylebender over there, and you're like, oh my god, this is really going down. | ||
| I'm really about to fight Stylebender for the fucking world title. | ||
| I think there was no crowd at that one, too, and he was still timid. | ||
| Was it no crowd? | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Was it in Abu Dhabi? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think the Abu Dhabi one had a crowd. | ||
| Is it cool if I go fill this up and go to Washington, too? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We'll take a break. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Derek's gotta pee. | ||
| And we're back. | ||
| How much water do you drink a day? | ||
| You one of those freaks? | ||
| Um, maybe like four or five of these? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Damn, you must be peeing all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you cut it off at a certain time so you don't have to pee in the middle of the night? | ||
| Yeah, usually maybe like, I don't know, like half an hour beforehand and I make sure while I'm getting ready for bed, I piss before I start brushing my teeth and then I piss again after I'm done, right before, just to make sure I get the last little bit out. | ||
| Do you wake up in the middle of the night or do you sleep in the night? | ||
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No, never. | |
| Never? | ||
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No. | |
| I always do. | ||
| I drink so much water. | ||
| I'm always drinking. | ||
| And I'm thirsty at night and I just, I'm weak. | ||
| I just drink it. | ||
| I just feel like it's good for you. | ||
| Wait, so you wake up in the middle of the night to go drink more or to piss? | ||
| No, piss. | ||
| Yeah, you might want to try it. | ||
| It's a glycerol. | ||
| This is a product that we sell usually for hyperhydrating a muscle for endurance work or for getting just like a impractically ridiculous pump in the gym as a bodybuilder. | ||
| But you could hypothetically retain more water before you go to bed so you don't piss. | ||
| Is there any side effects? | ||
| Glycerol is just like a normal food, ultimately. | ||
| Glycerol? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| G-L-Y-C-E-R-O-L. G-L-Y-C-E-R-O-L. I'll try it. | ||
| See if it keeps you from peeing. | ||
| Yeah, so like runners would use this typically in endurance events to hold on to more hydration. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, so like hyperhydrates your cells to allow you to not excrete as much. | ||
| The thing is like I know what I'm doing. | ||
| I know if I have a drink right now, if I drink a glass of water and it's 10 o'clock at night, I know. | ||
| I know at 3 in the morning I'm going to have to piss, but I still fucking do it. | ||
| There's that feeling you get, it's funny because it's the most dramatic, before you go to bed, you're like, huh, I'm super parched now and it just feels so dry, like I wouldn't even be able to sleep knowing that my throat is this parched. | ||
| I know, and I want water, but then I know I'll have to pee. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I drink so much water, and I think it's one of the most important things you can do in terms of health. | ||
| I just think there's a lot of people out there that are unknowingly dehydrated, and I'm not. | ||
| I drink water all the time, and I just think it's so important to do. | ||
| That's why I saw you with that big-ass jug. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| I'm like, right when it runs out, fill it back up, and I just sip it all day. | ||
| And you cut it off at what time at night? | ||
| Typically, it's about half an hour before I go to bed. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I just make sure I piss with higher frequency before bed. | ||
| I can hold my piss like a motherfucker during a podcast, but at 4 o'clock in the morning, it's almost always like, God damn it, I wake up from a nightmare or something like that, and I'm like, fuck, I gotta pee. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm a bit lucky in that regard, I guess. | ||
| You could probably manipulate your electrolyte intake a bit, too, to hold more water with your sodium and whatnot. | ||
| I do take a lot of liquid IV, which is an electrolyte supplement that I love. | ||
| I take that stuff a lot. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't know that necessarily having more... | ||
| Forcing your body to hold more water isn't necessarily healthy anyways. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| I don't try to do it past my thirst, but I'm always thirsty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm just always drinking water. | ||
| And if I'm not drinking water, I'm drinking something like Zevia, which is like Stevia-flavored soft drinks. | ||
| Yeah, that stuff's pretty good for being naturally flavored. | ||
| Tastes good, right? | ||
| Yeah, the cream soda one is pretty goddamn close. | ||
| Black cherry's pretty good, too. | ||
| In Canada, I don't know why the diet pop options are so limited. | ||
| Like, our grocery stores are like a fraction of what you have available here when it comes to diet substitutes. | ||
| But we have Zevia, and it's like the only diet cream soda thing I have access to, and it's like one of my go-tos. | ||
| Does that mean Canada have smarter laws? | ||
| No, they just have all the full sugar shit and not as many of the alternative diet substitute versions that are zero calorie or stuff like that. | ||
| Is the thought that the diet stuff's bad for you? | ||
| I think we just don't have as much stuff. | ||
| What is it like over there right now with the COVID mandates and the vaccine mandates? | ||
| Oh, where I am on the West Coast, it's basically everywhere you go into, you have to wear a mask. | ||
| You have to show proof of vaccination to get into pretty much everything except grocery stores. | ||
| What else? | ||
| Like fast food restaurants. | ||
| Gyms, you do need to show it, which is problematic, obviously, because it's kind of like paradoxical to, oh, you want to be healthy, but we're not going to let you be healthy unless you get this thing, you know what I mean? | ||
| But pretty much everywhere you need it, other than grocery stores and a couple random things that are less relevant. | ||
| And what are the regulations? | ||
| We were talking earlier, but I haven't even checked. | ||
| Maybe we should check. | ||
| If you want to fly into Canada, don't you have to be vaccinated? | ||
| You have to get a PCR test, and it has to be negative. | ||
| Whereas to come into here, you can get a rapid antigen or a PCR, and they'll take both. | ||
| To America. | ||
| Yeah, but going into Canada, you take the more strict, elaborate one that's higher sensitivity. | ||
| Do you have to be vaccinated as well? | ||
| Right now, I don't 100%. | ||
| I believe you do. | ||
| It's because I have a show there on 420 that's been rescheduled for two years in a row because of the pandemic. | ||
| It was supposed to be April 20th of 2020 and then it was April 20th of 2021. So you chose 420 there for a particular reason, I would imagine. | ||
| I do a 420 show every year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do it somewhere where weed's legal. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Just have a 420. It's been like a tradition that I've had for several years. | ||
| But I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it. | ||
| And I was thinking, like, maybe I could do it somewhere across the border in, like, Washington State. | ||
| Just have everyone drive over who has tickets. | ||
| Dude, Seattle's a fucking war zone. | ||
| I'll meet you in Blaine, Washington, bro. | ||
| Seattle is a war zone. | ||
| It is so wild there now. | ||
| It's literally like a third world country about to implode. | ||
| I used to go there years ago, and it was gorgeous. | ||
| You'd see a few homeless people every now and then, but it was all tech money and everything. | ||
| Now, every time you turn on the news, after they fucking took over that six block, the Antifa people took over that six block area in downtown Seattle, and the mayor called it the Summer of Love, and everybody was like, what is this bitch saying? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| You got fucking Antifa took over your town. | ||
| You've got literal militants controlling the streets like warlords. | ||
| They were beating people up that took photographs and videos. | ||
| They had their own... | ||
| Police. | ||
| They were using their own authoritarian control system. | ||
| Somebody got shot there, and then eventually the whole thing imploded, and the police recaptured it. | ||
| But it was like, what is happening to Seattle? | ||
| And Portland's even worse. | ||
| You've got to get sunlight, kids. | ||
| Something about that Pacific Northwest. | ||
| What's it like in Vancouver right now? | ||
| In terms of... | ||
| Like chaos post-COVID. There's been some protests and stuff downtown, but I think it's... | ||
| I don't know, there's very strict gun laws in Canada, so I think it's... | ||
| I don't really know how much less or more problematic that is because of that, but there's not that much violence in Vancouver, but there is protests against the vaccine and stuff like that, and... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, I kind of stay out of the downtown area nowadays. | ||
| It's kind of going to shit a bit. | ||
| Like, a lot of people have moved from down... | ||
| It used to be the place to be, downtown Vancouver. | ||
| And then a lot of people have moved to the suburbs away from it to get away from the bullshit. | ||
| And the prices did not go... | ||
| They're still exorbitantly high and ridiculous. | ||
| So, it's kind of like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, of all the places to live, the most overpriced, I think it's like... | ||
| Vancouver, Toronto, California, New York kind of places are all absurd. | ||
| They're all going to shit. | ||
| Yeah, so even to live in a relatively chaotic area of downtown and get a shithole house, it's like a couple million bucks potentially. | ||
| Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration, but like a shithole would be like a million dollars for sure. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those prices are wild. | ||
| I remember when I was a kid and you thought about someone having a million dollar house. | ||
| Like, wow. | ||
| No, a million is like the pinnacle number of like, you're rich now. | ||
| Now it gets you like what? | ||
| Gets you a shack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| San Francisco is the worst. | ||
| San Francisco is crazy overpriced and filled with like homeless people shooting up in the streets and taking shits in front of parked cars. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there's this area in Vancouver called Hastings, and it's just... | ||
| We call it Resident Evil when we drive through it, because it's just like going through a zombie video game, essentially. | ||
| And yeah, it's absurd. | ||
| It's all these liberal cities, too, which used to be amazing just a few years ago. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| You see what happens when the shit hits the fan and then they have to make decisions. | ||
| They revert to this sort of authoritarian way of doing things. | ||
| And then they're also paradoxically lenient on crime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of unfortunate too because it's not like I have a lot of flexibility if I ever want to move because like where else do I go in Canada and then getting citizenship in the States is quite difficult to do. | ||
| What is it like if you're a Canadian and you want to come over here? | ||
| You have to get a visa. | ||
| Or marry a white chick. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean a white chick. | ||
| Marry a Canadian. | ||
| I'm like, you're from another country. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| If you marry some American lady, how difficult... | ||
| It's like, if you marry an American lady, do you have to... | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Do you have to prove that you love her? | ||
| I don't know, because I think, isn't there mail-order brides from Russia and shit who come to the States and get green cards? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Like, is there countries where they're less likely to believe you? | ||
| That's a good question, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if you want to sneak over from Haiti, like all those people coming from Haiti, and then, like, you know, you see this lady comes over from Haiti and immediately gets married to some American guy, like, hey, how'd you meet? | ||
| Yeah, I guess it's kind of like an ethical, weird thing where you're like an official government guy and you have to criticize a relationship's validity. | ||
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I think they do. | |
| I think you have to have meetings. | ||
| They're like, there's no way this fucking guy would get this chick. | ||
| Because I know a guy who did marry a girl who came over from Russia, and that's how he did it. | ||
| But they were friends. | ||
| I think she was like his roommate, and he married her, but I don't even think they were fucking. | ||
| I think he just... | ||
| Ryan did the deal, for sure. | ||
| I think he just did it for her so she could stay here. | ||
| But they had to go places, and they had to go to some sort of a meeting where this guy's like, how long have you been married? | ||
| You guys are real close. | ||
| Like, what's up? | ||
| You have to get a... | ||
| I mean, because people have... | ||
| There are people that have asexual relationships, but they're married. | ||
| They're married, but they don't really have sex anymore. | ||
| I'm trying to imagine having a serious interview with a guy who's like, so, do you guys fuck? | ||
| How much do you like to fuck her, bro? | ||
| Do you actually like fucking this guy, or are you just here for... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you do fuck the guy, but you don't like it, is that disqualifying? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I do it because I want green cards. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, how does that work? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| What the fuck do they do about that? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| I think you have to prove to make a bona fide marriage in the eyes of the... | ||
| Documents showing co-mingling of financial resources, such as joint bank accounts. | ||
| But I have a friend who's married, and him and his wife have different bank accounts, and she kept her maiden name. | ||
| These are examples. | ||
| They wouldn't be able to do it. | ||
| Oh, more than one thing. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Credit card statements, tax returns, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Documents showing joint ownership of property, such as a home or auto title. | ||
| A lease showing a joint tenancy of a common residence, birth certificates of children born into the marriage. | ||
| Affidavits sworn to or affirmed by third parties having personal knowledge of the bona fides of the marital relationships. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| The bona fides. | ||
| This here is a bona fide relationship. | ||
| I love my wife. | ||
| I'm not just a Canadian coming over here. | ||
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It's a bona fide marriage. | |
| Look at that fucking racist photo they used. | ||
| This poor dude looked like he's smiling next to a lady who doesn't really love him. | ||
| Look, I love you. | ||
| I'm in America now. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| The USCIS will scrutinize your case to confirm there is no attempt to evade immigration laws with a fraudulent marriage. | ||
| What's a fraudulent marriage? | ||
| You can't tell me what the fuck a fraudulent marriage is. | ||
| If I say I do, and she says I do, we're good. | ||
| You can be married to someone else is one of the things they said. | ||
| There's a list of stuff that if you're a drug abuser or addict, drug trafficker, they won't allow you to go through either. | ||
| What if you're just a drug enthusiast? | ||
| I'm not an abuser. | ||
| Scroll back down. | ||
| Scroll back down to what we were just looking at. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| This is what's funny. | ||
| It says here... | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| Anybody can get a marriage certificate. | ||
| USCIS will need evidence that your marriage is the real thing. | ||
| Therefore, it'll be necessary to submit evidence that you and your spouse have a genuine, bona fide marriage. | ||
| To establish the bona fides. | ||
| I've never seen more bona fides. | ||
| I wonder how you qualify for that job. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| To be the guy who... | ||
| Completely dismantles relationships and decides. | ||
| Well, I know a guy who's married, and I'm pretty sure he's gay, and he's got an older wife, and it seems like they'd get along. | ||
| They have this weird relationship, but they're married. | ||
| He says, this is my wife. | ||
| She said, this is my husband. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| Maybe they're just great friends. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's not a real marriage? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They seem like they're married. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I do not want to have to go down that path to get citizenship. | ||
| Bro, find yourself a nice Texas lady. | ||
| Settle down. | ||
| Settle down here in America. | ||
| It's weird, right? | ||
| Because, like, Canada is a strange one. | ||
| Because everybody speaks English, and they look exactly the same. | ||
| Like a Canadian. | ||
| You could easily have a Texas accent. | ||
| You could easily have a California or a Chicago accent. | ||
| People somehow claim that they can tell in my videos that I'm Canadian. | ||
| Yeah, no, I can tell. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You say, you have a boat. | ||
| You say that occasionally. | ||
| You have like certain ways of saying things where I'd go, oh yeah, he's probably Canadian. | ||
| But when I first watched your video, I did not think that. | ||
| It took time. | ||
| It took like, and also, man, maybe I knew you were Canadian. | ||
| I might be lying. | ||
| I might have known you were Canadian and then started seeing it first, you know? | ||
| Not that bad, but there's like a, there's like a part, there's a certain, the way Canadians talk. | ||
| Yeah, one of the, I did a video a long time ago on Jason Momoa, I think, and his role in Aquaman, and the way I say aqua, apparently, is like, instead of aqua. | ||
| And just like certain things like that, people would clue into and be like, what the fuck? | ||
| What a weird way to say this. | ||
| Oh, did you think Jason Momoa was on the sauce? | ||
| I think my conclusion at the time, that was a really iffy one, because the guy is just a built fucking dude to begin with, with like a big frame. | ||
| But it would be like safer to assume than not that he probably did a little something for his peak superhero, you know, role. | ||
| Yeah, and the money that you're talking about, like if someone's playing Thor, like that's a good one. | ||
| Yeah, that guy sauced it up 100%. | ||
| Hemsworth. | ||
| Ah, love it! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think so too. | ||
| Not that there's anything wrong with that. | ||
| Hemsworth packed on like 20 pounds or 30 pounds in a matter of like six months or something absurd. | ||
| Yeah, pretty quickly. | ||
| Yeah, and if you look at him before Thor 1, it was like a night and day difference. | ||
| He looked like a skateboarder. | ||
| Yeah, he looked like a surfer dude. | ||
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| That's hilarious. | ||
| My God, he looks so thin. | ||
| Oh my God, that looks like he's like 20 years old though. | ||
| The one on the left, he doesn't even look like he's 20. He looks really young. | ||
| Doesn't he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like he had a bad... | ||
| He's still athletic and has a good frame beforehand, but that's the reason why he also ends up the way he does when he takes gear, because a lot of people who take gear, they still look like shit, to be honest, but it's still pretty obvious he packed on just exorbitant amounts of tissue very quick. | ||
| So he had a great frame. | ||
| See, there's that fat suit that he put on. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| He does have a great frame for it though. | ||
| That's one of the superheroes I think actually looks like the superhero you would picture kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's very difficult, especially when you're growing up and you get influenced by these comic books and you see them and they look like Mr. Olympia competitors in the comic books. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I just find it hilarious how many women complain about body, like obviously they have their own issues with unrealistic body image, you know, things that are portrayed to be the ideal for women. | ||
| But those physiques are achievable through like some like nutrient deprivation, excessive cardio or whatever. | ||
| Whereas for us, the physique we're told is like the ideal is achieved through grams and copious amounts of exogenous steroids that are going to kill you in like 15 years. | ||
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| And then, yeah, and it's like that is what's portrayed on us as like ultimate, you know, pinnacle of masculinity, some ridiculous, unrealistic ideal that you'll never get to. | ||
| Even if you had prime genetics and sauce your face off and ate food all day and trained every fucking day perfectly, you'll still never get there in most cases. | ||
| I think there are certain women that want an excuse for why they're big. | ||
| Oh yeah, there's definitely a huge push towards pro-obesity stuff now. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's ridiculous, this body positivity nonsense. | ||
| Listen, it doesn't mean you need to be mean to someone who's overweight, but to pretend that that's healthy is fucking preposterous. | ||
| Yeah, too. | ||
| The problem, I don't see anything wrong with, of course, if you just want to be a certain way, or you have. | ||
| Like, some people, through epigenetics, when they're born, their parents, the way their lifestyle is, will literally influence their kid's baseline as to how, you know, they're... | ||
| signaling, satiation, like feedback systems and whatnot work. | ||
| And they end up having a harder time, you know, keeping weight off than the next person. | ||
| Like there's obviously some genetic predisposition elements. | ||
| And if you want to be, if you're overweight, like whatever, but don't put out there like viral TikTok videos that are like, be okay with being like a fat fuck and like, you know, actually promoting it as if it's like cool almost, or it's completely fine in a way that's not going to harm you in some capacity. or it's completely fine in a way that's not going Well, not only that, I mean, especially during the pandemic, and especially during when we talked about this yesterday, they pulled up the study where it was showing how COVID affects overweight people so much differently because their body literally doesn't produce the antibodies correctly. they pulled up the study where it was showing how | ||
| Because of the obesity, like Like obesity has an effect on the way your body produces antibodies. | ||
| And so that's why at one point in time, at least 78% of the people that were in the ICU for COVID were overweight. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much everything in your body, physiologic process-wise, functions better when you're, you know, a lean slash athletic body composition, have some muscle, have good glycemic control. | ||
| Did you see the podcast that I did with Peter Attia? | ||
| Yeah, he's great. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But one of the things that Peter, who's a, he's an oncologist, and now he does mostly life extension medicine, but he said, or he's an oncologist, A surgeon? | ||
| Is an oncologist someone who does cancer surgeries? | ||
| Whatever he is. | ||
| Genius guy. | ||
| He said that having high cardio, having a high cardiovascular fitness level, reduces your all-cause mortality by five-fold. | ||
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| Which is so crazy. | ||
| He's like, we don't have a drug that can reduce your all-cause mortality by five-fold. | ||
| And if you did, my God, everybody would want to take it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's all you have to do is just have great cardio. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and they won't tell you that, unfortunately. | ||
| Well, they don't want you to feel bad that you don't have any willpower. | ||
| True. | ||
| That too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One thing I thought that was really interesting is he mentioned the use of flavoxamine in attenuating the COVID-19. | ||
| Yeah, that's definitely a super promising intervention now. | ||
| And it has so many multifaceted applications. | ||
| And I don't know why more people aren't looking at it for a concurrent adjunct to be used alongside the main thing that everyone thinks is the only thing you can use right now. | ||
| That vaccine thing? | ||
| Yeah, that thing. | ||
| Well, what's interesting, too, is that there's so many different things that we've learned over this pandemic. | ||
| And this is, I think, maybe the bright side of it, that people have learned about the actual effect of obesity in your immune system. | ||
| Whereas before, the body positive shit was so prevalent that it never got discussed. | ||
| Like, what are the negative consequences of being obese? | ||
| But now people get it, and they get it in their head, and a lot of people have made positive health choices, including my friend Laura. | ||
| My friend Laura Bites, who's a hilarious comic. | ||
| I take her with me on the road all the time. | ||
| She lost... | ||
| What is she down like? | ||
| She's down more than 50 pounds. | ||
| I think she's down close to 60 pounds. | ||
| Maybe I'm wrong, but there's pictures of her on her Instagram. | ||
| Go to Laura's Instagram. | ||
| She's pretty... | ||
| She's very bold the way she takes these photos because she shows herself with a sports bra on, just fat as fuck. | ||
| And then the next one, she's super lean and healthy. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That is a positive change over the pandemic. | ||
| Do you know what's wild? | ||
| Have you seen Adele before and after? | ||
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| And people get pissed. | ||
| They're mad at her! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're mad at her. | ||
| She's a smoke show now. | ||
| They're like, pissed she's going to be less likely to die. | ||
| And it's like their person that they want to see thrive and make music. | ||
| And they're like, you suck for... | ||
| You used to be one of us, and now you make me feel bad. | ||
| Because now they see her, and she's a fucking, this hot lady. | ||
| She's hot and lean, and you see her like, give me a recent picture of Adele. | ||
| She looks fucking hot. | ||
| Like, she's beautiful. | ||
| Like, who would have guessed? | ||
| Like, she always looked pretty. | ||
| Like, she had pretty with her big face. | ||
| But then when you see her when she's, like, really lean, like, how much weight has she lost? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's dramatic, though. | ||
| But she didn't do surgery, she just did... | ||
| No, I think most people that... | ||
| Well, not everyone, because there's that fucking alien guy who thinks he needs everything, regardless of how jacked or lean he is or whatever. | ||
| 100-pound weight loss. | ||
| My God. | ||
| Yeah, that's insane. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Bro, she's stunning. | ||
| Jawline City. | ||
| She's so pretty. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Look at her. | ||
| Look at her body. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And women are mad at her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You fucking bitch. | ||
| You used to be one of us. | ||
| Eating donuts and singing like an angel. | ||
| No, it's crazy how much Fat Shroud's facial features, too, where it's like somebody who they thought they were ugly and then they just got in shape and it's like, oh, wow, you're fucking hot. | ||
| Look at what's going on under there. | ||
| Everything gets bigger. | ||
| Your nose gets bigger. | ||
| Your eyebrows get bigger. | ||
| It's just fat. | ||
| Yeah, some of my old heavy-duty bulk photos from when I was into bodybuilding and didn't under... | ||
| I just thought more food equals more muscle, not that you're just going to gain disproportionate amounts of fat. | ||
| So I used to force-feed the shit out of myself. | ||
| I just turned into like a bloated disaster at 40 pounds heavier than I should have been. | ||
| What was the heaviest you ever wore? | ||
| 270 maybe. | ||
| And what do you weigh now? | ||
| Right now I'm probably like 220. And so when you're at 270, was that the bulking phase? | ||
| Yeah, and that was just like fat. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That picture on the left is like, yeah, look how round my head is just in general. | ||
| Yeah, you got a big round face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then the right shredded. | ||
| That's the most shredded you ever wear? | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| And so is that like your peak bodybuilding days? | ||
| Look at the size of your shoulders, son. | ||
| Is that just genetics? | ||
| Like those kind of shoulders? | ||
| Like that big? | ||
| Yeah, some of it is gear-related, too, though, because there's an idea that there's more androgen receptors in your delts and traps, so you sort of see this. | ||
| This is almost one of the ways you can identify guys who use shit, too. | ||
| Like, you know, when you saw Vitor, you're like, his traps are up to his... | ||
| Yeah, there's more androgen receptors in there that steroids bind to. | ||
| So you can sort of identify a guy who has disproportionate development, like, oh, he's probably using hormones. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I just thought it made all the muscles grow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at those shoulders. | ||
| Damn, son! | ||
| Shoulders are a big one. | ||
| That's a big muscle group. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, for whatever reason, like, you know, like, girls, it's a big butt. | ||
| With guys, it's big shoulders. | ||
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| There's, like, different muscle groups that have, like, an effect. | ||
| Oh, there's one of me being fat. | ||
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Oh, yeah, this is that video I made, like, forever ago. | |
| Yeah, I did not have HGH gut. | ||
| I ate a giant bowl of spaghetti with sausage. | ||
| In hindsight, I think it was just gut dysbiosis from your diet at the time. | ||
| Because you got rid of it pretty quick, right? | ||
| Yeah, I got rid of it real quick. | ||
| But it was also that night. | ||
| That was a nighttime podcast, and I had eaten a huge meal before we did that. | ||
| You still use GH, though, right? | ||
| I use IGF now. | ||
| And I use it rarely. | ||
| I use it like every four days or something like that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I'm using Sermoralin too. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's what I'm using now. | ||
| I'm transitioning to that. | ||
| So why'd you switch? | ||
| Just to try different stuff, see what it's like. | ||
| Because I was only using, even when I was using growth, I was using one unit. | ||
| It was a very small dose. | ||
| And so to switch over to, this guy that I work with was using IGF-1, and he's using it intermittently, using it every four days. | ||
| Do you use it after your hardest workouts or something, or how do you time it? | ||
| He was just doing it in the morning, and so we tried to do it that way. | ||
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| There are certain ways to time the growth factors to be, like, more productive. | ||
| Have you ever used some hormone? | ||
| Uh, so that's, like, growth hormone releasing hormone. | ||
| It's, like, a peptide. | ||
| And, like, personally, I see, uh... | ||
| There's something called CJC1295 that the same compounding pharmacy you probably get the Samorlin from probably makes. | ||
| That seems to be more efficacious, and I've used that over Samorlin, and I use a GHRP with it, like an ipamorelin concurrently with it, and it definitely works to some extent. | ||
| But for me, I don't know. | ||
| I like the fact that it works with your body's internal system, whereas GH is just an unregulated amount of hormone getting introduced into your system. | ||
| You have no control over how much output there is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And CJC1295, it's like your pituitary, there's a bottleneck where you're not going to go over what you otherwise should need. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because with GH, you could end up in a situation where you do have disproportionate insulin resistance developing, progressing cancer potentially, whereas you have this... | ||
| That would never happen with one unit, but within your own body's pituitary limits, the samoralin seems to be more favorable from a risk standpoint, at least. | ||
| The CJC, how often do you take that? | ||
| Well, it kind of depends on how frequently you want the benefits, because if you're using this stuff, you're going to get acute lipolysis when you're using it. | ||
| What's that mean? | ||
| Liberation of free fatty acids into circulation to then burn. | ||
| For GH or anything GH-related, they basically do... | ||
| Insulin is like a storage hormone, and GH is like a liberating... | ||
| fatty acids for then burning and exercise ideally so ideally you would be doing some sort of activity after its use or you'd be using it at a time when you otherwise are trying to induce the most recovery like pre-sleep is like what i would time it as so that's as important like doing it is like when you do it is very important I think so. | ||
| Because if you were just using GH just haphazardly all the time, hypothetically, if you have no... | ||
| Injuries to heal. | ||
| You have nothing really going on. | ||
| You're not exercising. | ||
| You're freeing up fatty acids, becoming insulin resistant, and then not burning them. | ||
| And they kind of just get redeposited, and you're making yourself acutely insulin resistant for no reason, essentially. | ||
| I have heard that, that people do develop insulin resistance from GH use. | ||
| I have heard of that. | ||
| I think that was from, there was a book that I had read like back in the day when I had first heard about people doing hormonal replacement, doing hormone replacement with growth hormone. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely a real possibility. | ||
| Because some people too, they overdo it and they self-induce a state of acromegaly where they're like Andre the Giant basically, hormone levels. | ||
| But we had a guy named Bigfoot Silva that fought in the UFC that had a pituitary gland tumor. | ||
| And it was causing him to have gigantism. | ||
| And then they operated on the pituitary gland and then his body wasn't producing any hormones and so then he was fighting with no hormones and the problem was he just could not take a punch anymore where he was like indestructible before and Yeah. | ||
| And then all of a sudden he'd take a punch and he'd just go out. | ||
| And I mean, it's hard to say because part of that could have been, there's a thing that happens to a fighter when they've had X amount of pro fights, X amount of gym wars, X amount of sparring sessions. | ||
| They just can't take a shot anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy to watch because you watch a guy like Chuck Liddell was a great example. | ||
| He had an iron chin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crack him on the jaw, he would just fucking fire back, and you couldn't believe the shots he could eat. | ||
| And then one day he'd get hit, and bink, just like his legs would go, and he just would not be able to take a shot anymore. | ||
| And he actually explained it to me. | ||
| He said, it's like your body is trying to protect you from your toughness. | ||
| It's like your brain realizes, like, oh, this motherfucker's gonna stand and trade bombs with this guy again, and we're just gonna take the damage, fuck that, we're just gonna shut down the system. | ||
| And just shut off. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's almost sort of how, even as you get older, some of these processes down-regulate to, I think, conserve you as you become less capable of handling stressful events. | ||
| A lot of people, they want to replace every hormone that gets shut down. | ||
| But, like, there's a theory that maybe these things are downregulating on purpose to avoid things like cancer and whatnot. | ||
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Right. | |
| As you get older, yeah. | ||
| One of the things that I've done recently that helped me a lot is hyperbaric chamber use. | ||
| I followed that Israeli, there's an Israeli university that did a protocol which was for 90 days you do 60 sessions of 90 minutes per day, 60 of those 90 minute sessions, and you found at the end of the 90 days they had an increase of the telomeres which corresponded to a 20 year decrease in biological age. | ||
| Have you done one of those Horvath clock assessments or anything? | ||
| I need to do that now. | ||
| I need to do that. | ||
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No, I have not. | |
| That would be interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I'm very interested. | ||
| Especially after doing the hyperbaric chamber sessions. | ||
| Because it made a big difference. | ||
| I felt lighter, if that makes any sense. | ||
| I felt like, ooh. | ||
| I always feel good because one of the things that I've been very fortunate about is that I've been very consistent. | ||
| I've never got really out of shape. | ||
| I've gotten fat before, but it's just for gluttony. | ||
| I'm a glutton. | ||
| I will eat two pizzas. | ||
| If it's in front of me, especially carbs, I just don't stop. | ||
| I don't get how some people can Portion out junk food and just eat a little bit of this. | ||
| Not me, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I'm going to eat shitty, it's like full board. | ||
| I'm coma-ing myself. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| It's like either have it out of the house or if it's in there, it's getting fully destructed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I'm pulling into a drive-thru late at night and it's like a fucking jack-in-the-box, we're going to have a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going ham. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But for me, the big one has always been pasta. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I get so fat. | ||
| And it's always like right here. | ||
| It sticks out my sides and my guts too. | ||
| I think it's also like a gluten issue because both of my kids have gluten issues. | ||
| And I guarantee you if I got my allergies checked, I guarantee you I have a gluten allergy. | ||
| Because every time I eat a lot of pizza or a lot of pasta, it's not like when I eat a lot of meat. | ||
| If I eat a lot of meat, I don't see like a distended belly. | ||
| But if I eat pasta, I'm like... | ||
| I think some of it is like the bacteria in your gut to process the shit too could be more like gas producing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's just like... | ||
| Because it's like there's no way the overall mass of the food is producing this much of a difference where it's like I sat down with a flat stomach and now it's like touching the fucking table. | ||
| But the thing is it's like you're eating dough. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's just glue. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It's like flour and water, and they dry it out, and then they boil it, so it takes the water back, and then you're going, bah, bah, bah. | ||
| You're eating glue, and it just sits there. | ||
| Almost like the silicone tit discussion. | ||
| It almost reminds me of, like, with food, too. | ||
| When I look at something that's literally not even, has no nutrient substance whatsoever, and yet I want it like an idiot, and I disproportionately eat so much of it that I know it's going to make me feel sick, too. | ||
| And it's like, you know, gonna be like pro fucking cancer, pro get fat, pro everything that I don't want, but it tastes, makes me feel very dumb. | ||
| Yeah, pro inflammation, your back hurts more, you got weird neck pains after you eat a lot of pasta. | ||
| Even focusing on, if I eat a meal like that, I know the rest of my day work quality wise and focusing on anything is out the window. | ||
| The brain fog is severe. | ||
| Oh, it's unbelievable. | ||
| That was one of the more interesting things about the carnivore diet. | ||
| When I did that one month of January, I'm going to do it again this year as well, where I just ate meat. | ||
| I only ate meat for a whole month. | ||
| My energy levels were so consistent. | ||
| It was really interesting. | ||
| That's what's made me sort of consider either... | ||
| I haven't done a ketogenic diet. | ||
| I've never done carnivore. | ||
| I've done keto a couple times, but it was super long ago, and I was never doing anything entrepreneurial at the time, so it was irrelevant, me assessing the brain fog back then, so I don't even remember what it was like. | ||
| But now, from a cognitive aspect, I notice a dramatic... | ||
| Anytime I have a super carb-dense meal... | ||
| The brain fog is just like another 20% added every like carb dense meal until the end of the day you're just like in a fucking haze trying to work and it's just not even like nothing productive is happening and I know guys who do carnivore or keto diets you stay mentally sharp. | ||
| Perpetually, because your blood sugar is just stable, you're not spiking your insulin through the roof. | ||
| So, I've been very, very tempted to try it, personally, just for the cognitive elements, but the dramatic decrease, and you lose, like, instantly, like, 10 pounds of water, like, out of the muscle, specifically, from the lack of glycogen, and the performance hit you take in the gym. | ||
| It's very hard to build muscle when you're in keto, or it's harder. | ||
| That's sort of like, eh, I've been like weighing it out in my head if I should try it or not. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if your body adapts eventually. | ||
| Because you said the carnivore thing hit your performance pretty hard in the gym. | ||
| Yeah, it hit my performance, especially doing rounds in the bag. | ||
| Like, I would be okay for the first like 30 seconds. | ||
| I have like, I feel good and strong. | ||
| But then there's like this, oh, Jesus. | ||
| I wonder if you could do carnivore as your base diet, and then just around the workout sessions that you're trying to get that acute glycogen saturation, burn it up, and get back into carnivore quick. | ||
| If you could do something like a cyclic dextrin peri-workout, get the glycogen you need, burn it, get back into keto immediately after or close to it so you can retain the mental clarity around the workout perimeter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But then during the workout, you give just the fuel you need carbohydrate-wise. | ||
| Might be an approach that's worthwhile. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like that's possible, and I know some guys have done that with apples, and for whatever reason, that combination seems to be pretty common. | ||
| Wouldn't the fiber in it be too slow? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's something called cyclic dextrin, which is something you can buy. | ||
| It's like a carbohydrate powder that's very, very light. | ||
| Is that like the gels that those cyclists take? | ||
| Glucose gels? | ||
| I don't know exactly what those comprise of, but the gastric emptying of this stuff is very, very fast intestinal transit to the point that it's in and out of your system. | ||
| So you have low GI stress in and out of your system quick, so you could hypothetically fuel up for the workout, burn it, and then be back into keto relatively quick, ideally, I would think. | ||
| It might be worthwhile to try. | ||
| Yeah, it might be worthwhile. | ||
| Because an apple, I think you're going to spend way more time digesting that than... | ||
| Because of the fiber and everything? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What if you had apples, say if you have an apple or two, just an hour and a half before a hard workout? | ||
| You'd have to experiment, I guess, because ultimately, I'm sure you can tell a dramatic difference when you, the keto adaptation period is pretty rough from what I remember, like transitioning. | ||
| So I think you'd tell if it was making the transition in and out difficult from like a time duration standpoint pretty quick. | ||
| The keto fog has nothing on the carnivore diarrhea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, didn't you, like, shit your brains up for the first couple of weeks? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Tom Segura tried the diet as well, and he sent me a text that was hilarious. | ||
| He goes, this diarrhea is astonishing. | ||
| So is it, like, the frequency all day, too? | ||
| Or is it just, like, when you take a shit, it's liquid? | ||
| It's liquid. | ||
| But do you, like, have to go suddenly at random times that are inconvenient? | ||
| You do not trust farts. | ||
| You do not trust your butthole to keep everything back. | ||
| If you think you have to fart, get to the bathroom. | ||
| But I didn't shit my pants, I don't think. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I've shit my pants many times, but I don't think I did it during that month. | ||
| But one thing that I did notice is there were certain times that I went to the bathroom, like, what is happening? | ||
| It was just like black oil was coming out of my asshole. | ||
| I was just like, this is so much liquid. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
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| And it would just be like, get on the ball. | ||
| You hear the fluid come out. | ||
| You're like, what is happening? | ||
| But that went on for about two weeks. | ||
| And then after two weeks, what was remarkable was when I would take a shit, it was so small. | ||
| And it was easy. | ||
| It was dry. | ||
| Dry shits. | ||
| They would just come out nice and clean. | ||
| You know, and I have one of them bidet toilets where you press the button. | ||
| I was going to say, hopefully you have that for shitting yourself with diarrhea. | ||
| Well, I would oftentimes go, I've got to get in the shower. | ||
| I wonder how many carnivore diet guys went and bought a bidet after starting. | ||
| Bro, bidets are the way to go. | ||
| If you don't have one, not a bidet bidet like you're a Frenchman. | ||
| But one of them toilet seat things. | ||
| I forget what the name of the one that I have, but for my house here in Texas, I got one where you even come near it, it opens up, and light goes off and everything, and you sit down, and you can press a button, and the button shoots hot water up your butt. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It cleans it all out. | ||
| How do you dry it before you put your pants back on? | ||
| You gotta take a little toilet paper and pat it down. | ||
| But the thing is, like, it hoses your asshole off so well. | ||
| That's why it's like a sniper. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, so it's not just like a mess that you gotta take a fucking towel off. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can target it. | ||
| Target it. | ||
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I saw one that has a massage feature. | |
| Have you? | ||
| That's outrageous. | ||
| They're trying to come. | ||
| It just gives you a prostate massage while flating your ass at the same time? | ||
| I was making sure. | ||
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I didn't know. | |
| Yeah, it puts two fingers up there and does that. | ||
| And then you just jack it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Next-gen toilets. | ||
| Well, it does feel really good, though. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's like, ah. | ||
| Dude, time efficiency, though, too. | ||
| I can imagine. | ||
| Because sometimes you sit there and you've got that one random one that's like, what, do I need a whole roll of toilet paper to get rid of this last bit? | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| Like, fuck. | ||
| It's also, what are you doing? | ||
| You're just smearing the shit all over your asshole. | ||
| Yeah, when you actually think about, like, what you're doing. | ||
| Ugh, it's nasty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| You wouldn't accept that any other place in your body. | ||
| You had shit all over your elbow. | ||
| You wouldn't be like, oh, just wipe that down with some dry toilet. | ||
| It turns out the massage function is to stimulate the rectum to help promote bowel movements. | ||
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Hey! | |
| It's not for washing. | ||
| How does it work? | ||
| There's a pulse and massage. | ||
| So it relaxes your sphincter. | ||
| It's stimulating your rectum. | ||
| So does it touch your rectum? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a massage finger. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| These are people jacking off on the toilet. | ||
| They're just covering it up. | ||
| It gives you a little tickle. | ||
| And it moans. | ||
| And then the next Google question says, can bidets turn you on? | ||
|
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Oh, God. | |
| All right. | ||
| Of course they can. | ||
| Everything can turn you on. | ||
| People get turned on by feet. | ||
| People are gross. | ||
| People are weird. | ||
| You over that now? | ||
| I was just a boy. | ||
| I was a young boy. | ||
| No, I think girls with pretty feet are hot. | ||
| But it's not like a thing. | ||
| It was a thing though, but then you got over it. | ||
| Well, it was a thing when I was like 18, 19-ish. | ||
| A girl would rub her feet on my dick and it became a thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you have good events and then something concurrently with it, your brain ties the two together. | ||
| It's almost like if you work out and you always listen to music, then when you work out without the music, it's like, this fucking sucks. | ||
| I can't even enjoy the workout. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So like... | ||
| After that point, did it drag into every relationship moving forward? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Well, then it became, it's like different things turn you on, you know? | ||
| Then, like, you'll date a girl who's got great lips, and you become a lip guy. | ||
| Or you date a girl who's got a great ass, you become an ass guy. | ||
| Like, I didn't even realize I liked asses until I dated a girl who had a great ass. | ||
| I was like, that is a big perk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a big difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When a girl's got a great ass, it's like, wow, that is really exciting. | ||
| And what's really crazy is, white people didn't figure it out until Baby got back. | ||
| It's like Sir Mix-a-Lock came along and they were like, you know what? | ||
| That is good. | ||
| Something happened because if you look at like white women from like the 70s and the 80s, they all had flat butts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they were the hottest women in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody cared. | ||
| It was wild when it was like a fucking shift in the universe when like those tight pants came out and like Lululemon was founded in Vancouver in Canada. | ||
| And girls starting to wear the Lululemon tight pants that show off their ass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And all the pants that came thereafter, the tight ones. | ||
| Yeah, fucking night and day difference. | ||
| You could have a chick who's like a 6 out of 10 and it's like, oh, these pants are an 8.5 easily. | ||
| Well, it's a weird thing that that... | ||
| I mean, it's again, like the shoulder thing for guys, the butt thing for girls. | ||
| It's a weird thing that this one body part is so significantly more attractive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, great calves are like, okay. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But a great ass is like, wow, look at that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just genetics. | ||
| It's just biology, right? | ||
| It's just like something about us is attracted to this... | ||
| I mean, it's clearly a waist-to-hip ratio thing that indicates that the woman would be better at giving birth, you know? | ||
| The ass would indicate better birthing ability, too? | ||
| Well, more fat. | ||
| Okay, right. | ||
| More fat. | ||
| Carrying more fat would allow her to get through her pregnancy better, you know, because a lot of times women lose... | ||
| Well, sometimes they gain weight, but, you know, you have a lot of tissue... | ||
| That is going to be able to sustain that child while it's in the womb. | ||
| I mean, you think about what it was like to be a person 1,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago, 4,000 years ago. | ||
| When we developed all these attractions to specific body types, your odds of surviving were fucking low. | ||
| So you would be more attracted to someone who would bear a child that is going to make it. | ||
| Which is, that's really what it's all about. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| That's why we see that poor girl, who's the anorexic, and you're like, yikes! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| No, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The human body is such a bizarre thing. | ||
| It's just so strange, like, what we like about it, and what we don't like about it, and, like, what things matter to women. | ||
| Oh, girls have, like, dramatically different opinions, it seems, on... | ||
| Like, guys, universally, it's like, are you a tits or an ass guy? | ||
| And then for girls, it's like, do you like big biceps? | ||
| Do you like big shoulders? | ||
| Big back? | ||
| Some of them like big asses and guys. | ||
| Some of them like skinny guys. | ||
| Yeah, some of them want, like, skater dudes and, like, little emo boys and shit. | ||
| Travis Barker-looking dudes. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird how dramatic the difference is. | ||
| And then some like beards, some don't like beards. | ||
| But I always wonder, maybe it's like what they were attracted to when they were growing up. | ||
| Like the same thing, it's like a guy who's into feet, or for some guys it's like pantyhose. | ||
| You meet a girl and she wears garters or something like that. | ||
| Garters are weird. | ||
| Why is that sexy? | ||
| You got a rubber band that attaches your underwear to your socks. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| Some of the preferences for women are just like... | ||
| I guess it's good universally, though, because it means there's more chances for guys, whereas for chicks, it's like there's like... | ||
| You can kind of tell universally what's attractive on a woman from like a body composition aspect and features, but then for guys, it's like so many fucking options and so many preferences that more guys are going to have a chance than otherwise would with like a... | ||
| You know, a higher quality woman, probably. | ||
| Well, guys have so many other weird things, right? | ||
| Like, a guy could be successful that makes him more attractive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A guy could be funny that makes him more attractive. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely good being in a guy, for sure. | ||
| Because you've got so many more things to play with from that aspect, for sure. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I think it's like some statistic. | ||
| It's like five... | ||
| 5-10% of guys get like 90% of the girls or something, because it's just like all of these, like especially from an online dating aspect, it's just like disproportionately ridiculous in how successful a very small subsect of guys is on the device, on the... | ||
| Apps versus women, they, from like, I don't know, 5 out of 10s all the way to 10 out of 10, a lot of them are pretty much inundated with options still. | ||
| Whereas guys, it's like only the top upper echelon have all the options and the rest get like fucking none. | ||
| Yeah, that's like the concept of the incel, right? | ||
| Remember when that one dude drove his car into a bunch of people and killed him because he was an incel? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then it became a real concern. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| Elliot Rogers, I think. | ||
| I don't know if that was the guy. | ||
| Maybe he shot people. | ||
| Elliot, someone. | ||
| That was his issue as well, that women wouldn't have sex with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wasn't even an ugly guy. | ||
| Yeah, that's the weird thing is when you watch the videos, you could tell he just... | ||
| He was a psycho. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The brain chemistry and just the fact that I bet he's never even tried talking to chicks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He probably just was at home like, why aren't they getting pussy? | ||
| Why is it not handed to me on a silver platter? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was a normal-ish looking kid. | ||
| Yeah, there's definitely uglier guys who've had hot girlfriends. | ||
| Not bad looking at all. | ||
| Especially if they're successful. | ||
| Yeah, there's way more options for men. | ||
| It's unfair, for sure. | ||
| That's why women complain. | ||
| That's really what the big complaint is when a woman sees these unrealistic body types. | ||
| Yeah, because they know their value is more so based on that than anything else. | ||
| It's unfair. | ||
| Yeah, I can't even imagine the, like, awareness of knowing how disproportionate my value is based on physical appearance and almost nothing else. | ||
| Because, like, if I'm a guy seeking a high-quality woman, like, I don't really give a shit if she's, like, rich and successful. | ||
| At all. | ||
| No, like, I would prefer you are, you know, like, a good cook and, like, can take care of shit and, like, help me achieve success in my endeavors and are, like, supportive. | ||
| Rather than, like, I don't give a fuck if you're a breadwinner or not. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah, that's a weird position because then people automatically assume that you're anti, like, having a strong woman in your life. | ||
| And that's not necessarily the case. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's just it's not more attractive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, your value is not propped up as a woman, really, if you have, like, a... | ||
| You know, all these other things that guys can do to leverage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is like, I can imagine being, would be quite frustrating for a woman who's, you know... | ||
| Driven. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like some women feel like as they're growing up that they have to prove themselves by gaining a commensurate amount of success. | ||
| Like, this is a woman who could stand right up there with a man, but she's also hot. | ||
| She's also attractive. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But that first part, that doesn't really... | ||
| I mean, that doesn't excite a lot of men. | ||
| I mean, some men are really into, like, really ambitious, really powerful women, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But for the most part, I don't think that that's, like, a number one draw. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, like, I wouldn't give a fuck, personally. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if some chick is, like, has super high aspirations and wants to be, like, entrepreneurial and, like, start a business and do that, I'm almost like, oh, like, how much time is this going to take? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, see, that's what women are worried about. | ||
| Women are worried about the idea that if you're not into strong women and that you want the woman to be subservient and you want the woman to be like for you to be priority, your life to be a priority and your success be a priority and her to be almost like, you know, she's an accessory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not that I wouldn't want them to have their own aspirations and goals and stuff. | ||
| I would just think... | ||
| If I have my path, I'm going to go down and do certain things that I know are going to support me and a family down the line. | ||
| I don't necessarily... | ||
| I would rather see you allocating time towards something that's, I don't know, like, aligns with my vision of where I'm going. | ||
| Because it's like if we have two different paths entrepreneurially, she's, like, I can't imagine you wouldn't drift apart in some capacity if you're, like, she's full board on work, you're full board on work. | ||
| Like, there's no, like, in the middle at all. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, but for a woman, if she invests a bunch of time in your success, and then you break up with her, She's like, fuck! | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| That's what motivates these big divorce settlements. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what the... | ||
| That's got to be it, right? | ||
| I mean, that's how they feel. | ||
| They're like, well, fuck that. | ||
| Like, she was with him. | ||
| Like, he made all that money, sort of. | ||
| She was helping him. | ||
| Like, she was with him in the relationship. | ||
| She assumed a sort of supportive wife position, and she took care of all these other aspects of their personal life while he worked hard. | ||
| Yeah, there's definitely an argument to be made, like, although I think it's fucking insane to take half of somebody's shit. | ||
| But, like, the amount of efficiency you gain out of a supportive partner who's taking, like, the tedious work off your plate. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, like, there definitely is a huge element of, like, your success being foundationally backed by, like, a good partner who's doing. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Even if on paper they're not doing something that's productive from like a money producing aspect. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then there's also the emotional support, like knowing that you have someone who's rooting for you, who's in the corner. | ||
| And then there's also the amount of time that you save and not going on dates and trying to find the one. | ||
| Trying to be single and also do entrepreneurial stuff? | ||
| Fucking impossible. | ||
| Impossible! | ||
| It's a full-time job being single and dating. | ||
| Yeah, because if you're dating, first of all, and you meet a good one, she's going to want to spend a lot of time with you, right? | ||
| She's like, he really likes me. | ||
| We're going to go out again tonight. | ||
| And like, oh my God, you're going out every night. | ||
| And then you're going out four nights a week, and you're going out to dinners, and you leave the house at 7. You don't come home till 11. Then you're tired when you go to the gym in the morning. | ||
| But you're really into it because you really like her, but it takes a lot of time. | ||
| Whereas if you're married, you live in the same house. | ||
| So you come home, it saves a lot of time. | ||
| Also, when you're working really hard, she doesn't think that you are ignoring her. | ||
| She thinks you're working for the both of you if you have your funds together tied in together. | ||
| It's complicated shit, though. | ||
| Because, again, if you're a woman and you You assume that's sort of a traditional male-female marriage-wife role, and you take care of the house while the guy's working, and then the guy goes, eh, I'm done with this. | ||
| And you're like, bitch, I just invested 15 fucking years in your stupid life. | ||
| Now you don't want me anymore? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Time to get a lawyer. | ||
| Before you met your wife, did you have relationships that were divergent in terms of how it aligned with your relationship? | ||
| Outlook of future goals, or how did you eventually end up with the partner that you deemed best, I guess? | ||
| Well, my problem is I've never had goals. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I just work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just do stuff that I enjoy. | ||
| I never thought, oh, I want to have the number one podcast in the world. | ||
| I'm going to fucking work hard. | ||
| I'm going to have the number one podcast. | ||
| Never thought that once. | ||
| Never advertised this podcast. | ||
| Never went on other podcasts with a specific goal of promoting it. | ||
| Never took out video ads anywhere or anything. | ||
| Just did it. | ||
| So that's the same with almost everything I've ever done. | ||
| My goal as a comedian was just be a professional. | ||
| It wasn't like, I want to sell out arenas. | ||
| When it came to arenas, I was like, really? | ||
| I could do an arena? | ||
| Okay, let's try it. | ||
| Shit, this is crazy. | ||
| So it's just my goal was always just to do my best, like do my best as a comic, do my best as a podcaster, and that has worked for me. | ||
| I'm not saying it should work for everybody, because I think some people need, like there's some people that are very goal-oriented, like they want to have a vision board, they want to write all this shit down. | ||
| And they want to say, you know, by the time I'm 30, I want to have X amount of dollars in the bank and I want to have my own house. | ||
| And by the time I'm 40, I want to be the fucking CEO of this and be doing that. | ||
| And I don't, I'm not that guy. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's a misconception about how, like, disorganized or just like, I don't know, people don't realize they're successful until they're just like, they are, and it was just a result of their hard work cumulatively over time, and it's like, eventually you're in this amazing position, but it's not like you planned it necessarily step by step. | ||
| I can only speak for myself. | ||
| First of all, I'm in very weird businesses. | ||
| I do cage fighting commentary, I do stand-up comedy, and I do podcasting. | ||
| Three things where there's no blueprint. | ||
| Cage fighting commentary, first of all, when I started doing it, there was literally maybe four guys that had done it before me. | ||
| So there was no blueprint. | ||
| There's no one to tell me what to do. | ||
| I just did it. | ||
| I would just explain what was happening, why it was happening, and I felt like I had an obligation to try to explain to people, like, especially the ground game when it comes to jiu-jitsu positions, which is very technical. | ||
| And so I'm trying to explain and walk my way through these very intricate positions where I see a guy setting up for a very specific move. | ||
| And then when it comes to stand-up comedy, like... | ||
| No one can tell you how to do it. | ||
| You just gotta do it. | ||
| Your way is gonna be different from that guy's way. | ||
| Mitch Hedberg is very different from Sam Kinison, who's very different from Chris Rock. | ||
| Everybody's different. | ||
| You just have to figure out what makes your perspective funny. | ||
| No one can teach you how to do it. | ||
| No one can show you how to be funny. | ||
| A guy can teach you how to play guitar. | ||
| No one can teach you how to do stand-up. | ||
| You just gotta do it, and hopefully it works. | ||
| And then with podcasting, I mean, there was radio before, so it was like Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony, but that was like really how I got into it. | ||
| And then once I started doing podcasting in 2009, there was Adam Carolla. | ||
| He already had one and Marc Maron had one. | ||
| There's a few guys who had one before me, but it was just like... | ||
| It was bullshit. | ||
| No one got any money from it. | ||
| I mean, Corolla was the only guy that I think was making some money at the time. | ||
| But for me, it was like, there's no money in this. | ||
| It's just silly. | ||
| Just doing it for fun. | ||
| It was 100% doing it for fun. | ||
| And it went on like that for years, where I didn't make any money. | ||
| We probably lost money doing it. | ||
| And then, eventually, it started making money. | ||
| And then it started making crazy money. | ||
| And then I was like, whoa, this is nuts. | ||
| But it was never, at any point in time, a goal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, whenever I look at, like, we were just on Spotify 2021, number one podcast of the year, all this, they sent me some stuff, showed me what the numbers are. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Can't think about it. | ||
| I mean, it's great. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| It's crazy that it's the number one podcast in the world, but it's still, it's the same thing. | ||
| I just come in and I do it. | ||
| So I don't have, like, goals that way. | ||
| So I didn't, like, find a woman who, like, aligned with my goal. | ||
| She's just cool. | ||
| So we just get along great. | ||
| So it works. | ||
| And I just do my shit. | ||
| And she doesn't get in the way. | ||
| She doesn't fuck with me and she's very supportive. | ||
| So it's a great relationship in that way. | ||
| But again, I couldn't teach anybody how to meet somebody like my wife. | ||
| I couldn't teach anybody how to meet somebody who understands how crazy I am. | ||
| And it just works with me. | ||
| Because other people won't work with me. | ||
| Relationships are just like business partnerships or even friendships. | ||
| Like some guy who would be great friends with another guy, you would think that guy's annoying as fuck, and you'd never want to hang out with him. | ||
| Whereas other people would be like, dude, fucking let's party! | ||
| You're excited to see him. | ||
| There's people for everybody in business, in relationships, in friendships. | ||
| It's like you got to know what you like. | ||
| Know what you like and know who you are, and hopefully you get lucky and find someone that fits with that. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of fish in the sea, but trying to, like, die, I don't know. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Yeah, diversify and, like, find the exact match for your exact lifestyle. | ||
| Don't pretend you're anybody other than who you are. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Because that way, if they like you, they actually like you. | ||
| If you're working so hard to convince someone that you're awesome, but you're really kind of bullshitting, eventually you're going to get exhausted and you're going to give that up. | ||
| And that's what a lot of women say guys do. | ||
| Like, they're in a relationship with a guy, and then they know him for, like, a couple of months, and all of a sudden that guy reveals who he really is. | ||
| Yeah, there's definitely, like, a facade. | ||
| People, I think, are on their best behavior and act, like, totally fucking different than what they are for the first little bit. | ||
| That's what every rich single guy worries about. | ||
| He's gonna get roped in. | ||
| He's gonna get roped in by a gold digger, you know? | ||
| And then she's gonna go, I can't believe I'm pregnant. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how this happened. | ||
| I was on the pill, and the guy's like, Yeah. | ||
| And then she starts yelling at him. | ||
| I had a buddy of mine that happened, too. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He told me the moment she got pregnant, it was almost like, ha-ha! | ||
| Got you! | ||
| And he was like, what? | ||
| Like, she started yelling at him, telling him what to do, and he's like, what is this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was stunned. | ||
| And he just realized, he goes, Joseph, she got me. | ||
| She fucking got me. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| He goes, yeah, man. | ||
| She fucking got me. | ||
| I thought she was a different person. | ||
| It's like, who is this? | ||
| And then she got lawyers involved. | ||
| Her mom got involved. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Like, he'd come over the house. | ||
| Her mom was there with her. | ||
| They're both staring at him, like, in a mean way. | ||
| And she's telling him what's gonna happen, what you're gonna do. | ||
| And he's like, what the fuck? | ||
| So what happened with that after? | ||
| Got broke up. | ||
| Broke up and, you know, divorced and lost a shitload of money. | ||
| Terrible story. | ||
| Has a kid. | ||
| You know, every time he goes to see the kid, she's got a sour face. | ||
| She fucking hates him. | ||
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Jeez. | |
| She got him. | ||
| That's a fucking rough story. | ||
| Well, the mom was multiple bad relationships, divorced over and over again, right? | ||
| And he thinks it's just like, she grew up with this predatory idea of what a marriage is. | ||
| Like, you can find a guy who's successful, and then you treat him real nice, and then you work your way in, and then once you get pregnant, and then tell this motherfucker what's up. | ||
| And so once she was married, and when she was pregnant, it was just like, She just decided, you know, no sense in dragging this out. | ||
| Let's just close this up right now and take that check. | ||
| And now he's paying her for, you know, 18 years. | ||
| Fucking horrible. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| And since he makes good money, it's a sizable amount of money. | ||
| And I don't believe he signed a prenup because I think he's a dummy. | ||
| And I think he would admit that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like proportional based on what you make, not just like what the kid needs? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's proportional based on what you're accustomed to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so he, like, treated her to a certain shit or something, and then you have to maintain that lifestyle? | ||
| Well, he's wealthy. | ||
| He's wealthy, and she lived with him, and they were together for a couple of years. | ||
| And, you know, they were together, and during that time, you know, he was making a lot of money. | ||
| And they lived in a very nice house, and she was married to him. | ||
| So then, all of a sudden... | ||
| I wonder what Jeff Bezos' wife is up to now. | ||
| She's ballin' out of control. | ||
| She's got $39 billion. | ||
| She married a high school science teacher. | ||
| I have a whole bit about it. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, it's awesome. | ||
| She's very philanthropic. | ||
| She gives a lot of money away to charities. | ||
| When you've got $39 billion, just leave a little bit of it in the bank, and it's just accumulating interest constantly. | ||
| I'm sure she's got good investments. | ||
| Just ballin'. | ||
| Out there wearing fucking Mr. T gold chains and mink coats everywhere. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's a lot of money though, man. | ||
| But again, he probably doesn't even notice it. | ||
| He's still one of the richest guys that's ever lived. | ||
| He gives her $39 billion and it doesn't even put a dent in him. | ||
| Well, at that point, isn't there like an ego thing if you're like the richest guy in the world still? | ||
| So maybe that like takes him down a notch from the other Titans he's trying to hang with. | ||
| So maybe that might piss him off. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that funny? | ||
| They all have like the race to space and then also like the net worth thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I can imagine that's like at that point... | ||
| You're so desensitized to everything on earth because you've been hyperexposed to the most pinnacle level of success. | ||
| At that point, to get your next dopamine hit, it's like, I gotta beat fucking Elon, I feel like. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, that does happen with men, right? | ||
| They get real competitive against other people, their peers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's such a crazy thing to get competitive when you're like, you got 150 billion, but he's got 190. Yeah. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I don't know if that's actually how they think, but I mean, like, the perception from this, like, competing, like, space things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You can't help but perceive that there is some sort of competitive thing around it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like a dick measuring contest between the titans of who's rich and who can do the biggest thing the fastest. | ||
| Did you see the video of Jeff Bezos' girlfriend meeting Leonardo DiCaprio? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody got... | ||
| People looked into that. | ||
| When people... | ||
| First of all, she's a smoke show, right? | ||
| She is smoking hot. | ||
| And, you know, he's not the best looking guy in the world, but he's like super wealthy and, you know, kind of fit. | ||
| Looks pretty good now compared to what he used to look like, right? | ||
| The before and afters of him and Elon. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So he put this thing, Leo, come over here. | ||
| I want to show you something. | ||
| Dangerous. | ||
| Take the fatal drop. | ||
| That's pretty funny of him. | ||
| That's pretty funny of him to do that. | ||
| But, you know, when she's, you know, he got himself a 10, you know, and got divorced and does what a lot of rich guys do. | ||
| Like, look at the way she's smiling at Leo. | ||
| That was criminy. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And also Leo's like standing on the stair above. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like the most demeaning picture, like perception-wise, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| She's an alpha, like a predator. | ||
| You look at her, you're like, Jesus. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's some genes, son. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And she's not a young lady. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| She's 50. How old is Bezos? | ||
| He's probably the same age. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Probably similar, right? | ||
| How old is Bezos? | ||
| I'm going to guess. | ||
| I'm going to guess he's like my age, 54. Yeah. | ||
| I wonder how old it is before... | ||
| 57? | ||
| I think when you're that, you don't want to date a 20-year-old. | ||
| DiCaprio does, and he's like late 40s. | ||
| Yeah, but he doesn't have any children. | ||
| You know, I think once a man has children, and once you've been through all that, and your father, it's like, what am I going to date some 20-year-old? | ||
| And someone who's like the same age as your kids, it seems kind of creepy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're a 57-year-old guy dating a 20-year-old girl, that's what Jack Nicholson did, right? | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, wasn't that thing? | ||
| Jack Nicholson? | ||
| That was his thing, right? | ||
| He was always dating really young girls deep into his 60s and shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's okay, too. | ||
| Maybe they like it. | ||
| Maybe he likes it. | ||
| Women get mad at it, though. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And you can't help but question if it's legit, too. | ||
| And that's where you bring in the old inspector who tells you if it's a legit relationship or not. | ||
| Imagine if it comes to the point—I mean, think about that, right? | ||
| Like, there's an inspector that checks to see if your relationship is bona fide if you want to get into the country and get married. | ||
| But is there one if you want to marry a guy for his money? | ||
| There should be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There should be like a bona fide inspector there to stop gold diggers. | ||
| Yeah, if you're going to get the divorce settlements or not based on was your intentions legitimate or not in the first place. | ||
| Could you imagine if gold diggers were scrutinized the way immigrants are? | ||
| That's the next level position. | ||
| There's probably something to that, man. | ||
| There's probably something funny in there. | ||
| Because gold diggers, it's a strange thing. | ||
| No, there might be something in there. | ||
| That's fucking interesting. | ||
| Look, gold diggers are a viable business move. | ||
| It's a solid business move. | ||
| If you're a smoke show, if you're a hot lady, and you meet some Rupert Murdoch-looking guy, and he's worth billions of dollars, you're like, I think I can fuck this guy. | ||
| And you really can. | ||
| If you're a hot lady, you can kind of fuck any guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, all you have to do is get alone with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, all you have to do is get... | ||
| If he's single, all you have to do is be alone with him. | ||
| And if he's straight, you know, you can eventually, you know, charm your way to the point where this guy wants to fuck you, and he can't believe he can. | ||
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| And then you let him, and then the next thing you know, you know, you hang around for a few years... | ||
| Yeah, I wonder what the self-awareness of some of these hyper-successful guys are when it comes to getting disproportionately hot women. | ||
| It can't be good. | ||
| Yeah, I can't imagine in their head they're like, this is legit. | ||
| Yeah, I deserve it, bro. | ||
| I'm hot as fuck. | ||
| Let me rest my gut on your ass when I fuck you. | ||
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Because there's some guys that are just so gross and their girls are so hot. | |
| I mean, maybe they're attracted to the power and the money. | ||
| Maybe they're attracted to the prestige. | ||
| Or maybe they just don't want to work and realize they can fuck this guy and they can get enormous amounts of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't have a problem with it. | ||
| I have zero problem with gold diggers. | ||
| I think it's funny. | ||
| When I see a really hot woman with some fucking rickety old man who's barely hanging on, I think it's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What do you tell the rickety old guy? | ||
| Like, no, you should only be with old rickety old women. | ||
| I would say, good luck, bro. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| It says, true love is your gut matching her back perfectly, and she's down with that. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That guy must be balling out of control. | ||
| He must. | ||
| Some women, though, do prefer a guy where they're hotter than the guy, where the guy is not going anywhere. | ||
| It's a security thing. | ||
| Even if he's not hyper-successful, he's 100% going to stay. | ||
| Yeah, I guess there's definitely a comfort in knowing that you've got the leveraged position. | ||
| Do you have specific goals for your success? | ||
| Your podcast, you're saying, essentially, your YouTube show, you really didn't start out to do it. | ||
| You didn't have it in mind, like, this is what I'm going to do. | ||
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do. | |
| I'm going to do a podcast on male enhancement and betterment and improving your life. | ||
| This is going to be super successful. | ||
| I'm going to be on YouTube with a million followers. | ||
| You didn't have these goals, right? | ||
| No, those seemed unfathomable at the time when I started. | ||
| That was never a goal at the time. | ||
| I do have goals and they transition, but most of them are more like ... | ||
| When you get up in a day, you have a scheduled day. | ||
| Those are ... | ||
| Probably, like, on paper, there are many goals. | ||
| Like, if you miss your workout and you wanted to get a workout, you'd be like, fuck, I feel bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because you didn't do your goal. | ||
| So for me, I started to develop more, I don't know, uh... | ||
| I don't know, kind of like higher tier goals from a daily, like micro standpoint as things went on and became proportionally, you know, more, I don't know, the stakes are higher. | ||
| So I would, for example, when I wanted to grow faster and I just saw the opportunity of what my channel was doing, I went from posting once a week or something to once a day. | ||
| And then after that, I went to twice a day. | ||
| And adhering to that schedule, I could tell the growth was disproportionately better And the performance of things was getting better, and I was also getting better at speaking, becoming more fluent, being able to articulate myself, and things were just proportionally escalating, almost in a dose-dependent manner of the input relative to the output of what result I was getting. | ||
| So I started to change my daily goals accordingly, just knowing that the output was going to be this superior... | ||
| Thing that otherwise I wouldn't have got to in nearly the same time frame or the, I don't know, the level at which it's become. | ||
| So my goals did. | ||
| I do have goals, but it was, I don't know. | ||
| Like at this point, I do have pretty tangible goals, but they're more based around my companies rather than Anything to do with the channel itself. | ||
| The channel fuels. | ||
| Yeah, the channel fuels everything. | ||
| So we're similar in that way. | ||
| We both kind of just started it. | ||
| We just kind of started it in the beginning and then it just got... | ||
| The same thing with me. | ||
| I was doing it once a week. | ||
| We're doing the podcast. | ||
| We were doing it on Ustream at the time, and me and my friend Brian, and we were watching this little chat thing, and we would answer questions on Twitter and shit. | ||
| It was just fucking around. | ||
| It was all fucking around. | ||
| And then when the numbers started rolling in, and then I got better at it, too. | ||
| That was the other thing. | ||
| It's like I realized somewhere along the line, a couple years in, this is something you can actually get better at. | ||
| You get better at conversations. | ||
| You get better at not being annoying. | ||
| Get better at not talking over people. | ||
| You get better at listening. | ||
| You get better at like the art of flowing the conversation and keeping it together and keeping it engaging and interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I realized that if I do it more days, more than once a week, then you'll have more people pay attention. | ||
| That's what I'd said to a lot of my comedian friends at the time. | ||
| They were like, "Why do you do so many fucking podcasts?" I go, dude, you should do more, too. | ||
| The more you do, the more people will watch it. | ||
| They become addicted to it. | ||
| It becomes a part of their life, and you give them content, and in return, they come see you do stand-up, you have a successful show, you get advertising revenue. | ||
| I had this idea of it that a lot of other comics didn't seem to grasp, because comedians, a lot of us are lazy. | ||
| We're impulsive, kind of wild, crazy people. | ||
| And not the type of people that you would think are going to sit down and formulate some sort of a business plan. | ||
| Especially based on something that was never supposed to be a business in the first place. | ||
| And then as time went on, I really started saying, okay, now I need a real legit professional studio. | ||
| Now I need a legit this. | ||
| And then the big thing was moving here. | ||
| Moving to Texas. | ||
| Because it was... | ||
| Kind of risky. | ||
| But I was like, I think I can do it. | ||
| I'm like, I think I'm at a place where people will come to me. | ||
| Because they were already coming to me in L.A. And I'm like, in L.A. is kind of fucked. | ||
| And I thought it was fucked like in May of 2020. I was like, I don't see this turning around. | ||
| When I saw lines outside the gun stores, I was like... | ||
| Oh, I gotta get out of here. | ||
| You moving at the time he did is the equivalent of some guy getting in early on Bitcoin. | ||
| I'm sure the prices here are all jacked through the roof. | ||
| Once Elon moved here, too. | ||
| I moved here. | ||
| That was a big deal. | ||
| Then Elon moved here. | ||
| The smartest guy in the world moves here. | ||
| People are like, hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe I should listen. | ||
| Maybe he's on to something. | ||
| But yeah, the goal thing is it's interesting when someone just concentrates on doing a good thing and that thing is something that they're genuinely interested in. | ||
| That's what comes through when I watch your show is that these subjects that you're talking about, you obviously have a genuine interest and a deep knowledge of. | ||
| You really understand these things. | ||
| Yeah, I think there's a huge disparity between individuals who just post for the sake of having high viewership, though, too, and people who feel like they're impactful in some, like, actual way that's improving lives. | ||
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| So, like, for me, it's not just about... | ||
| Because eventually those people who are just entertainers on YouTube that post vlogs and just like, you know, girlfriend, boyfriend channels that are just like, you know, dumb, like today we're going to go like fill up a fucking pit of balls and jump in them and like see how many, I don't know, let's do some random challenge that's just like try and do something as extravagant and let's do some random challenge that's just like try and do something as extravagant and ridiculous as possible for max Eventually you burn out and start to question like, yeah, all those people eventually have some sort of tangent into something else or just burn out. | ||
| But for me, a lot of my stuff is based on interpreting blood work, getting preventative medicine, doing stuff that's actually impactful either from a performance enhancement context or a prevention of deterioration of health aspect. | ||
| That kind of stuff I'm highly passionate about, highly interested in, and those are literally the foundations of my businesses, too, because I have a preventative medicine practice with a bunch of doctors in it who we literally diagnose and help people with pituitary adenomas with low testosterone or individuals with autoimmune issues or this or that. | ||
| And for me, when I put out content and I see somebody that found an undiagnosed Issue that they went years without realizing was ruining their life and then we're able to find it and fix it for them or something like that kind of stuff is like very rewarding from not just a Monetary aspect, | ||
| but like it feels like you're doing something useful Rather than just like producing content for the sake of content that you think will get high views kind of thing Yeah, so when I put out information that's I don't know extrapolating or like parsing out information from Newest literature that's come out on endocrinology that could be relatable for hormone replacement or how to attenuate the cardiovascular implications of testosterone use and things of this nature. | ||
| It's very, very practical in that I'm actually potentially imparting information on somebody that's going to save years off their life, improve their quality of life, do a bunch of different things that are above and beyond me talking about, oh, is this guy naughty or not? | ||
| You know? | ||
| People love those videos. | ||
| Yeah, so like I do those because they draw in viewership too, which then brings those people to see my other stuff that's actually informative. | ||
| I think you have a very fair assessment too. | ||
| You always give people an out. | ||
| Like who knows? | ||
| Maybe he's like a biological freak. | ||
| You're not like a dick about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You give people like a little room. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta be a little bit, you know, give wiggle room on stuff like that too because some of them are pretty like bold accusations sometimes. | ||
| Yeah, but listen, man, I really enjoy your channel. | ||
| I think you're an unusual guy. | ||
| Like, your place in the YouTube world, the podcast world, is very unusual. | ||
| You're very unique, and so I'm glad we got a chance to do this. | ||
| No, me too. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| We'll do it again. | ||
| We'll do it again if you can get out of your fucking communist shithole of the country. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, let's do it. | ||
| Let you escape. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| All right, thank you. | ||
| Tell everybody, more plates, more dates on YouTube. | ||
| The same on Instagram, right? | ||
| What's all your social media stuff? | ||
| Yeah, so More Plates, More Dates on YouTube, and then my two companies are GorillaMind.com for my nootropic and pre-workout formulas and supplements, and then Merrick Health, if you want high-quality preventative medicine. | ||
| Spell that. | ||
| Merrick, M-A-R-E-K, health.com for... | ||
| High-quality preventative medicine hormone replacement. | ||
| It's basically a platform where I get you connected with doctors that represent the most cutting-edge literature and the most recent ways to optimize your health, performance, vitality, etc. | ||
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| Beautiful. | ||
| Thanks, Derek. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| We'll do it again. |
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