Nov. 5, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| I told you about the mountain lion that Colton and I saw in Utah. | ||
| No, but you didn't. | ||
| I didn't? | ||
| No, I heard you talking to Rinella. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was giant. | ||
| You said it was huge, and you were in the truck. | ||
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It was huge. | |
| Oh my God, I was scared in the truck. | ||
| It was like a giant pumpkin head. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| It was a 170 plus pound cat, like big, big cat. | ||
| I've never seen one there, but they're there. | ||
| I've only seen a little one, like a 60, 70 pound one running across the street in Santa Barbara, and then one in Colorado I saw in the woods, like a glimpse, quick glimpse. | ||
| It might have even been a bobcat, honestly. | ||
| The one in Colorado was so quick. | ||
| The one in Santa Barbara was definitely a mountain lion because of the tail. | ||
| But this one was unmistakable. | ||
| This was 30 yards away, underneath a tree, at 7 p.m. | ||
| light. | ||
| So it was just starting to get dark, but I was looking at him through the binos. | ||
| That was this year? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I was like, oh my god. | ||
| We were both freaking out. | ||
| He was so big. | ||
| He just crouched down there. | ||
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Oh! | |
| His head was so huge. | ||
| It was a big tom, man. | ||
| Giant paws. | ||
| His forearms freaked me out. | ||
| The forearms were like my legs, man. | ||
| Like big, thick-ass forearms. | ||
| You gotta kill shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Meeting one of those fucking things in the woods would be... | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| After doing that, it makes me want to carry a gun. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, because if you're in a situation like that, have you seen that video where that guy had to shoot that cat? | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was intense. | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, he's like, no, get out of here. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| And the things are looking at him like, I think I'm going to eat you. | ||
| And if he didn't have a gun, what the fuck? | ||
| I mean, I don't know if he was bow hunting or what kind of hunting that guy was doing. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I saw that clip, though. | ||
| He didn't feel comfortable enough to draw his bow if he did have a bow. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He'd be shaking and shit, holding it full draw. | ||
| Those things are so strong. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| All animals, even bear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You look at bear forearms. | ||
| Oh, they're massive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I remember that video, this one video of you in Alberta with that one bear that you shot, and as it runs, like, after the arrow hits it, it runs. | ||
| You're like, whoa, I did not know they could run that fast. | ||
| That was seven yards, and it closed that distance. | ||
| A second. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
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It was crazy! | |
| It was intense. | ||
| You think, because normally they're kind of lumbering, you know, they're kind of slow. | ||
| I guess they're conserving energy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because when they want to go... | ||
| When they can explode, they can explode. | ||
| It's weird to watch. | ||
| It's like, because you don't think something that big can move that fast. | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| But those wild animals who, you know, especially cats, I mean, they've got to be predators. | ||
| So they've got to kill with their face, you know, as you've talked about. | ||
| But bear, too. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| It's a wild world out there, mister. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| So you're just back from Colorado. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've had a wild season, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is this your best season ever? | ||
| For bow hunting? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You got plenty of meat, I'll tell you that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Giving a lot out to friends, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's pretty cool because I have these two coolers at work in the lunchroom, and I just take meat in there and fill up those coolers and say, you know, free meat. | ||
| And people love it there because there's a lot of people who don't hunt, you know, have no interest in hunting, but they love eating elk and different things. | ||
| I always ask where it's from. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sausage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hamburger. | ||
| You know, anybody can use hamburger for tacos. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Spaghetti. | ||
| So yeah, it goes quick. | ||
| And I love giving it out. | ||
| Yeah, hamburger and spaghetti sauce. | ||
| The ground elk in spaghetti sauce. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had some salami made out of the stuff that I got in Utah for the first time. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| It's out there right now. | ||
| We have the commercial freezes at the studio. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't had any of it yet. | ||
| Oh, it's so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I did... | ||
| Oh, pepperoni sticks. | ||
| Yeah, pepperoni sticks off my Oregon bowl. | ||
| And oh my God, the best pepperoni sticks. | ||
| You know, normally at the gas station you'll buy pepperoni sticks and it's just... | ||
| They still taste good and they're just shit meat. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Probably off the floor. | ||
| But... | ||
| So you put elk meat... | ||
| Or pepperoni made out of elk meat? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, it's sensational. | ||
| It's the best food in the world, man. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So what's been happening with you other than hunting? | ||
| You got any wild races you're about to do? | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you laying off those for a while? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, just hunting. | ||
| You know, I mean, that's all my... | ||
| You know, it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think what I like, or my whole thing is... | ||
| And you know this well, but I train for one reason, for bow hunting. | ||
| And it's like, I feel... | ||
| I feel so lucky to have that purpose because there's all sorts of advantages to working out and being in shape and being capable and healthy and everything else, but when you have a purpose, like I have a purpose and other people have different purposes, | ||
| but if I see people in the gym, like guys in the gym and they're just training, I feel not bad or I don't really know how I feel, but Because if the goal is just to be big, it just is not the same as having a purpose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I'm training for one thing, and so that right now, this is my Super Bowl. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Hunting season. | ||
| All season, this is what it's for. | ||
| So yeah, I'm just hunting right now. | ||
| Yeah, for a lot of fighters, they have a hard time training after they're done competing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, a lot of them get fat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're done. | ||
| And so they don't have any reason to train hard. | ||
| They lost their purpose, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But some of them just figure out a new way to fight. | ||
| Like, George St. Pierre isn't as good a shape as he's ever been in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's essentially like a lifelong martial artist. | ||
| So his purpose is always to better himself. | ||
| It's always to be better than he was before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when George took all those years off and then came back and fought Michael Bisping, everybody's like, is he going to be rusty? | ||
| Well, it turns out he's even better than he was before, which is crazy. | ||
| That's what he had said, but people always say that. | ||
| I am better than I was before, but he actually was better. | ||
| He actually was. | ||
| Yeah, well, he looked good against Bisping. | ||
| He looked amazing against Bisping. | ||
| So we're headed to the fights this weekend. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| I can't wait. | ||
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Woo! | |
| What a card that is! | ||
| Jamie, pull up that card. | ||
| Because this UFC card this weekend is bananas. | ||
| There's Rose Namajunas versus Zhang Weili, the rematch, which is going to be crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Rose head kicked her early in the first round and KO'd her in their first fight. | ||
| And that lady has the weight of China on her back. | ||
| Look at this fucking card. | ||
| Pull up the whole card so we can see it, because it's crazy. | ||
| Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Vera. | ||
| That's a big fight. | ||
| Shane Burgos versus Billy Quarantillo. | ||
| Quarantillo? | ||
| I wonder how he'd say it. | ||
| Quarantillo. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I like him, though. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Tough dude. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| Shane Burgos is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| And Justin Gaethje versus Michael Chandler. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that fight opens up the main card. | ||
| Yeah, that's the main card first fight, which is nuts. | ||
| And then Alex Pereira, Cowboy Pereira versus Andres Michalaitis. | ||
| Al Iaquinta versus Bobby Green. | ||
| That's a crazy fight. | ||
| Chris Curtis versus Phillip Hawes. | ||
| Edmund Shabazian. | ||
| I don't know this dude. | ||
| Listen to that name. | ||
| Try say that. | ||
| Help me out. | ||
| You try. | ||
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Who, me? | |
| Yeah, say that one. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| I haven't done my research yet. | ||
| I'll do my research tonight. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| How do you say it, Jamie? | ||
| I go Nasordine. | ||
| Nasordine Imavov. | ||
| And then Ian Gary, Jordan Williams. | ||
| Is that the end? | ||
| Is that all the prelims? | ||
| Or is there early prelims? | ||
| John Vellante. | ||
| Let's scroll up. | ||
| Chris Barnett. | ||
| Dustin Jacoby. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He was in the UFC for a while, then he went over to Glory. | ||
| And he had quite a few kickboxing fights. | ||
| I don't know these guys. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| If you're going to be on this Madison Square Garden card, it's a wild card. | ||
| They stack two big cards, well, three big cards every year. | ||
| One of them is this Madison Square Garden fight. | ||
| Another one is always the July card, like the one that's around July 4th. | ||
| The fight. | ||
| What do they call that? | ||
| The fans week or whatever? | ||
| Yeah, the fan expo. | ||
| The UFC fan expo. | ||
| And then depending upon when they have the card in December, sometimes they have a big New Year's card as well. | ||
| So my picks are Chandler. | ||
| Chandler over Gagey. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Rose. | ||
| It's a good fight. | ||
| Colby. | ||
| Well, you're friends with Colby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who was the other one on the main card? | ||
| Let's see it again. | ||
| Well, the first one is Chandler vs. | ||
| Gagey. | ||
| And then you got Frankie Edgar vs. | ||
| Marlon Chitovera. | ||
| Oh yeah, right. | ||
| So I'm gonna go Chandler, Billy, Marlon, Rose, Colby. | ||
| That main event is a tough fight. | ||
| It is a tough fight to call. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Usman has looked even better. | ||
| Since beating Colby, you gotta realize he beat Jorge Masvidal twice and Gilbert Burns. | ||
| Street Judas? | ||
| Yeah, twice. | ||
| He beat him once by decision and then fucking flatlined him in his last fight. | ||
| Yeah, but Colby would say he's got 20 losses. | ||
| Street Judas? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, are you speaking for Colby? | ||
| And then Colby just ran right through Tyron Woodley. | ||
| That was a big fight for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's the hardest challenge for Usman because he's got the longest gas tank. | ||
| His gas tank is crazy. | ||
| Colby has excellent wrestling, and his striking volume is insane. | ||
| Like, both of these guys, one of the things they both have is they never fade. | ||
| Both of these guys never fade. | ||
| I was impressed with Usman last time against Colby. | ||
| I've been impressed with him every fucking fight of his career. | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| I figured Colby would put the pressure on and he'd get more gassed, but man, he's right there. | ||
| He's got amazing endurance. | ||
| His mind is bulletproof. | ||
| That dude has serious knee problems and you never hear a thing about it. | ||
| Like, he can't run. | ||
| His knees are destroyed. | ||
| He actually had, they do this particular type, he talked about it on the podcast. | ||
| There's a particular type of procedure they do where they fracture. | ||
| The microblate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Microfracture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They do it in the cartilage to try to make the cartilage regrow and it didn't work. | ||
| It had the opposite effect. | ||
| It fucked his knees up worse. | ||
| I saw him come. | ||
| I was watching the Embedded like everybody does. | ||
| And I saw him coming down the stairs of a plane. | ||
| And he looked like coming back gingerly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like painful. | ||
| It hurts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Looked like me coming downstairs in the morning. | ||
| But the thing is, when he fights, he ignores it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He ignores all that shit. | ||
| And he openly said, he said, listen, I know I'm going to get my knees replaced when I'm done fighting. | ||
| He goes, so for now, I just go hard. | ||
| I think he's like, now he, I saw him talking about fighting Canelo. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
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That was today. | |
| I get that he would want to do that for the money, but if an MMA fighter wants to fight Canelo, really they should say, come over to MMA, bitch. | ||
| Straight boxing against Canelo, it's tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Canelo's fighting at the same night. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's fighting Caleb Plant, which is one of the more interesting fights that's available for Canelo, other than the Triple G rematch, the rubber match with Triple G. I think this Caleb Plant character is slick. | ||
| He's a very good boxer. | ||
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Does he have a chance? | |
| He's got a chance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, for sure, Canelo's the favorite, because if you look at his resume, Canelo has a much better resume in terms of the guys he's beaten. | ||
| That's where it matters. | ||
| Because Caleb Plant is super skillful, and he's a legit world champion, but he has not faced the level of opposition that Canelo has faced. | ||
| Doesn't mean he can't win, but Billy Joe Saunders also looked like a world beater before he fought Canelo, and then Canelo crushed his face. | ||
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I mean, he probably retired him. | |
| You ever see the pictures of Billy Joe Saunders' face? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| When they talk about, they showed an image of his skull, or a skull, and all the areas that were repaired on his face. | ||
| And there's just plate here, plate here. | ||
| After the fight? | ||
| His orbital was shattered. | ||
| His cheekbones were shattered. | ||
| I think the way the cheekbone connects to the upper jaw was cracked. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at all that shit. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| So the orbital... | ||
| See that stuff in the back of his eye? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The bone that's like the shelf that holds the eyeball in got crushed. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| So they have to go in and they put all these plates... | ||
| Underneath where the eyeball sits and then on the outside on the upper left side of the eyeball that's cracked the lower sides cracked and then look how the cheekbones cracked all the way down to the upper jaw and Then the upper jaw on the where the hinges is cracked I mean his whole face got fucking caved in God and that's what those big boxing gloves crazy How amazing is that? | ||
| That's power. | ||
| It was also perfect timing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Canelo has ridiculous power, but his timing was perfect. | ||
| He caught Billy Joe leaning down, and he uppercutted him as he was leaning down. | ||
| So it was the force of the lean down along with the force of the uppercut, and his face just exploded. | ||
| Did that end the fight? | ||
| Yeah, that ended the fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They stopped it in between rounds. | ||
| He knew something was severely wrong with his face. | ||
| Yeah, his skull was in tatters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God. | ||
| Yeah, it's a crazy fucking sport, man. | ||
| And Canelo... | ||
| The thing about Canelo that's so interesting to me is that Canelo's a big puncher, but he's also really skillful defensively. | ||
| That's usually not the case. | ||
| Usually those big punchers they kind of wade in and they throw bombs and they're concentrating so hard on connecting with a big shot that they don't have like the sort of defensive skills that like a Floyd Mayweather has. | ||
| Who's the best defensive fighter ever in my opinion. | ||
| But when he fought Floyd, I think he had such a hard time hitting Floyd that he realized, like, oh, I gotta develop these kind of skills. | ||
| Then if you see Canelo, like when he fought Danny Jacobs, and he's fought in the second fight with Triple G, too, like, he developed these kind of defensive skills that he never had before. | ||
| And they keep getting better. | ||
| So now he's, like, one of the best defensive fighters in the world, and also one of the best offensive fighters in the world. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, the reason why I brought that up is because Kamaru's definitely talking about he just wants the big money fights now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I get that. | ||
| Well, he's probably a year away from a knee replacement. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| If you watch him walking down the stairs like that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Michael Bisping had both his knees replaced once he retired. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Same shit. | ||
| And his eye... | ||
| Well, his eye is not replaced, but it's fake. | ||
| Yeah, he has a... | ||
| Well, he has, like, a contact that he puts in that makes it look... | ||
| Yeah, it looks good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I've seen him pop it out. | ||
| I have, too. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's snarly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Yeah, so, I mean, my point was, if Kamaru starts, I was wondering if he's thinking about, like, the money. | ||
| So, you know, that what's the saying is the wolf climbing the hill is always hungry than the wolf on top of the hill, something like that. | ||
| So, I mean, you know, Colby's still trying to get up there. | ||
| Kamaru's been up there. | ||
| Do you lose that... | ||
| Hunger a little bit? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Not with that guy. | ||
| I think at the championship level, like the true champions, and I think Kamaru is like a champion of champions. | ||
| I think he's in this all-time great category. | ||
| Like, let's imagine this fight is not taking place right now. | ||
| And you're not comparing him with Colby. | ||
| You just look at what he's done so far and his skill level, I think you got a real argument that he is right now the best pound-for-pound fighter in the sport. | ||
| If you look at what his accomplishments are. | ||
| One loss ever in his entire mixed martial arts career has run through everyone in his division. | ||
| Including winning the title over a dominant Tyron Woodley. | ||
| Five-round rout just destroyed him. | ||
| Beat him pillar to post every round. | ||
| And then you look at his fights with Masvidal. | ||
| You look at his fight with Colby. | ||
| You look at his fight with Gilbert Burns. | ||
| Gilbert Burns is a dangerous man. | ||
| And he put him away. | ||
| And Gilbert hurt him. | ||
| He hurt him in the first round. | ||
| Kamara recovered and smashed him. | ||
| Knocked out Masvidal with one punch in the second fight. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| He's a real argument that he's the best guy in the sport. | ||
| But if you wanted to see him challenged, you would want a guy who's got killer wrestling, that's Colby, amazing gas tank, that's Colby, unstoppable mentality, that's Colby. | ||
| And a guy who's been in there with him and knows what adjustments to make. | ||
| You know, I think... | ||
| When Masvidal took that first fight, he took the first fight on short notice. | ||
| Yeah, six days. | ||
| He had some good moments in the fight, but ultimately he fell prey to Usman's conditioning. | ||
| And Usman had said the reason why he was willing to fight me then was because he had a built-in excuse. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| Which is interesting, because that would have fucked with a man's head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You call him a journeyman, and you know, that fucks with a guy's head. | ||
| Like, the difference in the accomplishments of the two are very different. | ||
| Like, Masvidal obviously has that giant Ben Askren knockout, and he beat up Nate Diaz in that fight, and Masvidal's a bad motherfucker, and a very clever fighter. | ||
| He's one of my favorite guys to watch fight, because he's so intelligent. | ||
| But Usman just demolished him in that second fight. | ||
| Demolished him. | ||
| That's what separates very good fighters from all-time greats. | ||
| And he had a full camp that time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Masvidal did. | ||
| Didn't help. | ||
| No. | ||
| He actually helped him less. | ||
| But I think Usman's better than he was before. | ||
| I think he continues to get better, and he's training with Trevor Whitman. | ||
| He moved camps. | ||
| He used to be down in South Florida, and then he made his way. | ||
| It was originally the Black Zillions, then it was Stanford's, but he's now with Trevor Whitman, who's a real striking genius. | ||
| Trevor Whitman is a brilliant guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've always loved what he's done. | ||
| I mean, because with Gaethje and with Rose, it's like, man. | ||
| He's got three fighters in the main card. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| That shows you how good Trevor Whitman is. | ||
| He also makes the best gloves in the business. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His gloves are fucking fantastic. | ||
| Yeah, you've been lobbying for those. | ||
| Oh my god, they're so good. | ||
| Well, not just his gloves, his boxing gloves. | ||
| I use his gloves to hit the bag. | ||
| He makes the best shin pads. | ||
| He makes the best equipment. | ||
| Like, it's crazy that you've got a coach Who is also designing equipment. | ||
| And he was explaining to me that the foam that they use, the foam that most people use is not the best foam. | ||
| It's like the best cost-effective foam. | ||
| So he uses the best top-of-the-food-chain space-age technology foam. | ||
| And you really feel the difference when you hit things with his gloves. | ||
| It's better protection for your hands. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I've watched some stuff on him, and I'm a fan. | ||
| He's a wizard. | ||
| He's a fun guy, too. | ||
| And he has a good relationship, a good rapport with his students, which is so important. | ||
| Because he's a good guy to get along with. | ||
| He's a fun guy. | ||
| And so watching him coach these people and seeing three top-flight fighters on the same card... | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I'm pretty intrigued, too, with the coaching changes for Usman and Colby. | ||
| They both changed camps. | ||
| Yeah, so what happened with Colby? | ||
| You're friends with Colby. | ||
| What led him to switch camps? | ||
| Because he was with ATT forever. | ||
| It seemed like, I mean, I don't know, it seemed like there was a bunch of drama down there, you know, because I think Poirier's down there and... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seemed like he said that, or from what I'm seeing on interviews, you know, there was drama going into training and he just wanted to get away from that. | ||
| Didn't want to deal with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's a big organization down there, basically. | ||
| It's a lot of fighters. | ||
| And so then he switched to this, I think it's MMA Masters and, you know, small gym. | ||
| They give him the full attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, he brings the drama. | ||
| He shouldn't be shocked. | ||
| I mean, who the fuck causes more drama than Colby? | ||
| I know, yeah. | ||
| Still though, that's how he's so popular. | ||
| It's both things, right? | ||
| Which is rare. | ||
| Like, he has incredible skill level. | ||
| He's as tough as they come. | ||
| And he talks a lot of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's good. | ||
| And most people don't know that he got forced into talking shit. | ||
| Like, the UFC was about to cut him. | ||
| They didn't like his style, they told him. | ||
| And so then he fought Damian Maia in Brazil and then called him a bunch of filthy animals and said a bunch of crazy shit. | ||
| Places of dump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They went crazy. | ||
| They took exception to that. | ||
| He went pro-wrestling heel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it changed his trajectory of his career. | ||
| What people don't know about Colby, what you know about Colby, is when you're with him in person, super nice guy. | ||
| Oh, he's actually soft-spoken. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's had dinner at the house. | ||
| We had Elk and just polite, soft-spoken. | ||
| My wife and daughter, everybody's there just being as nice as can be. | ||
| He's a gentleman. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| That's the real guy. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| This other thing is like a character that he does, which is so fascinating. | ||
| It works. | ||
| I mean, I watched an interview him and DC just did just a couple days ago. | ||
| And I mean, DC gave him every opportunity. | ||
| He's like, do you ever get tired? | ||
| Do you ever sit at home and say, you know, could give it a rest and just be? | ||
| And he's just like, no. | ||
| He's like, I'm always, he's something like he's always on. | ||
| And then he's like, you know, DC said, do you respect Usman? | ||
| You know, I'm like as a fighter. | ||
| He's like, no. | ||
| So he wouldn't even... | ||
| I mean, he's sticking to the script. | ||
| Yeah, well, he's got that pro wrestling heel character down. | ||
| And if he ever decides to leave the UFC and go to pro wrestling, he would have a giant career in pro wrestling if he wanted to. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| If he decided, if he fought, let's say, whatever happens with his career, but five years from now, if he decides to go to pro wrestling, My God, will that guy have a fucking career over there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He talks so much shit. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gonna be an amazing fight. | ||
| There's something about fights in Madison Square Garden, too, because that place is the most iconic arena on Earth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It really is. | ||
| There's no place like it. | ||
| We were there in 2016, right? | ||
| Isn't that when Conor won his second belt? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| When he fought Eddie Alvarez. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| When he came to the champ champ and he got mad. | ||
| He goes, where the fuck's me other belt? | ||
| Where the fuck is me belt? | ||
| Yeah, and we were down there for the Trump protest. | ||
| That's right! | ||
| We were there right after Trump got elected, and Cam and I went to the gym, and we were leaving the gym, and as we were leaving the gym, apparently a fucking protest had broken out, and we were like, oh, Jesus, we've got to walk through this. | ||
| And so we had to walk through this protest, and I'll never forget, like... | ||
| These virtue signaling people screaming and chanting. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was entertaining. | ||
| We were joking like, I'm sure this is really making a difference. | ||
| It made no difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just that people love to hate things. | ||
| I mean, it really goes back to the Colby thing, right? | ||
| People love to hate things. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And there's also people that love to hate the people that hate, and so that made them more into Trump than ever before. | ||
| The thing about Trump is, like, more people hate him than any president, I think, ever, except for Biden. | ||
| I think right now Biden's coming close. | ||
| He's pulling in strong. | ||
| There are different reasons, though. | ||
| Yeah, they more feel bad because he shits his pants and stuff, allegedly. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| But I mean, he's clearly got dementia. | ||
| I mean, I'm going out on a limb. | ||
| People are like, who the fuck are you, a doctor? | ||
| No. | ||
| Listen to him speak. | ||
| There's a train wreck every time. | ||
| Something really wrong. | ||
| And it's sad. | ||
| And it's not fair. | ||
| It's not fair to him. | ||
| It's not fair to the country. | ||
| It's wrong. | ||
| And it's causing people to lose faith in the Democratic Party. | ||
| Like, for sure. | ||
| The Democrat Party is in real trouble with that guy at the helm. | ||
| It's not right. | ||
| But they hated Trump so much, they would take that over Trump. | ||
| Yeah, they took that over Trump. | ||
| Originally. | ||
| I don't think they thought it was going to be this bad, though. | ||
| They tried to pretend it wasn't, and they got mad at me. | ||
| Because when I said that I'm not a Trump supporter, I said, but I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden. | ||
| People are like, oh, Joe Rogan's a Trumper. | ||
| He's a Trumper. | ||
| I go, that's not what I said. | ||
| What I said is I would vote for Trump before I'd vote for Biden because Biden is in a process of obvious decay. | ||
| And if you fucking people can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| You're all a bunch of partisan weirdos who won't look at things for what they really are because if you say it, then people will get mad at you. | ||
| I'm not worried about saying things that people are going to get mad at. | ||
| So I'm just going to tell you what's going on. | ||
| That guy's dying. | ||
| He's a fading candle. | ||
| And you fucking idiots are counting on him to illuminate the way. | ||
| And it's not going to work. | ||
| It's not going to work. | ||
| I mean, he's representing us. | ||
| Where was he, Justin? | ||
| Where was that? | ||
| Yeah, the climate summit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He fell asleep. | ||
| Falling asleep? | ||
| I mean, so you're like, wait, I thought this was important. | ||
| The most important challenge we're facing as a world, and it's so important you're falling asleep? | ||
| As they're speaking about it, it's like, what is going on? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| And then an aide had to come over and wake him up. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
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No. | |
| Biden's asleep. | ||
| Shit! | ||
| The guy runs over. | ||
| You've never seen it? | ||
| No. | ||
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Watch. | |
| The guy comes running over to him and just, Mr. Biden! | ||
| Mr. Biden! | ||
| And he's waiting. | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's every time he's featured on something, it's a train wreck. | ||
| By the way, I would fall asleep at that shit, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| Why does everybody have to meet in person to talk about climate change? | ||
| What is the whole purpose of that? | ||
| Meanwhile, Russia and China was like, eh, you go ahead. | ||
| Look, I'm here. | ||
| Out fucking cold. | ||
| That would be me, too, right next to him. | ||
| I'd be snoring. | ||
| Yeah, what about the lady right in front? | ||
| She's asleep, too. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| She's nodding out, too. | ||
| So the guy's going, what? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I've got my pen. | ||
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Let me hold my pen. | |
| What happened? | ||
| I fell asleep. | ||
| I just shit my pen. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Okay, he's like, pay attention. | ||
| Time to clap, clap. | ||
| He has no idea what he's clapping about. | ||
| He's rubbing his eyes. | ||
| I mean, it's not fair. | ||
| The guy's 78 years old, and he's also had major brain surgery. | ||
| He's had amurisms, like serious aneurysms that would have killed a lot of people. | ||
| He had a widow maker. | ||
| It was like one of those things where most of the people that have it don't survive. | ||
| They have to take the top of your skull off, and then operate, and then sew that bitch back on. | ||
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What? | |
| But I wouldn't... | ||
| I mean, whatever. | ||
| But he's our president. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Well, it just shows you what's really going on. | ||
| I mean, you need to know... | ||
| In one way, it's transparent, because we've all wondered, like, how much say does the president actually have? | ||
| Like, what is... | ||
| How many people are really pulling the strings behind the scenes? | ||
| Well, now you get to see. | ||
| Like, it's clear there's no way this guy is on the ball in charge of everything. | ||
| No, but so I thought you were going to say, like, how much sway does a president have? | ||
| It seems like quite a bit because you see the way the direction of the Democratic Party is going. | ||
| I think that's the cabinet. | ||
| I think that's all the people around him. | ||
| It's Kamala Harris. | ||
| It's all the other people. | ||
| It's Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| Well, I know, but he's got a big part of that, you know, but it seems like it's just a free fall right now. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| They can't get their infrastructure. | ||
| Or what was the big trillion dollar? | ||
| The Build Back Better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That shit's all bait and switch. | ||
| Like, here's the thing they did with that. | ||
| They were like, we're going to make sure that people have paid leave, paid paternity leave. | ||
| And they, like, let you know. | ||
| We're going to put this in there. | ||
| We're going to put all this. | ||
| So free shit for everybody. | ||
| But then it all goes away. | ||
| By the time the bill gets signed, all that stuff's gone. | ||
| Yeah, but they can't get anything through. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They can't get anything through. | ||
| I don't think they wanted to get that through. | ||
| I think with a lot of those things, they propose them so that all the progressive feels really good. | ||
|
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Oh, maybe. | |
| And then once they get it into place, then the big corporate machine behind, like, hey, fuckface, you're not passing any of that, right? | ||
|
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Right. | |
| No, no, no, no, this is nonsense. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You ever see how big the bill is? | ||
| It's like, there's no way anyone's reading it. | ||
| No. | ||
| One of the Republicans, a Republican senator, held it up and he was saying, do you think Joe Biden's read this? | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Do you think Nancy Pelosi's read this? | ||
| They haven't read this. | ||
| Don't you? | ||
| I mean, politics. | ||
| It's just exhausting. | ||
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It's gross. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the grossest thing in the world, other than murder and rape. | ||
| It's the grossest thing in the world, right? | ||
| Other than like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Other than those things. | ||
| And war. | ||
| It's the grossest thing in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's so corrupt and so dirty and I don't even know. | ||
| Because I saw this headline today about because of all that that happened in Virginia and all the results there recently. | ||
| And they're saying, you know, the Democrats are, I don't know, panicking or something like that based on those results. | ||
| And it's like, they're panicking because the thought of losing power. | ||
| And to me that seemed, I mean, do we care about the country? | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| We're not thinking about that. | ||
| Or do we just care about power? | ||
| Right, we're thinking about parties winning. | ||
| Yeah, we're not thinking about the country. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| Why is that bad? | ||
| If it's good for the country, it seems like, okay, well, hey, we can get better. | ||
| We can do this. | ||
| We can do that. | ||
| You know, we lost for this reason. | ||
| We need to step up here. | ||
| It's like, no, that's not it. | ||
| They're panicking because they're going to lose power. | ||
| I was thinking to myself, God, what a mess. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| It's a mess, and there's a giant division in this country where people feel like the country's lost if their side doesn't win. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And if their side wins, then they feel like they've got to hold on to this to fight off those other people on the other side, because those people are bad. | ||
| Here's what freaked me out, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of people. | ||
| The Biden administration blocked the release of the JFK papers. | ||
| JFK was shot in 1963. How weird is that? | ||
| They're like, nope, people are still alive. | ||
| Some people that would be fucked are still alive. | ||
| That tells me The government killed Kennedy. | ||
| There's some shady shit going on. | ||
| That's what that tells me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That doesn't tell me that the mafia killed Kennedy or the Russians killed Kennedy or the Cubans killed Kennedy. | ||
| That tells me the government probably had that motherfucker whacked. | ||
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They're hiding something. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're hiding something. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. | ||
| It's 58 fucking years ago. | ||
| Yeah, and still got to still hide it. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| Wait another 25 years. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| It's crazy that they could even justify that. | ||
| That someone could keep historical information that's relevant to our understanding of how the country really functioned in 1963. They keep that from us because it must be relevant to how the country still functions today. | ||
| It must. | ||
| It must have some bearing. | ||
| A president being killed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we can't know all there is to know about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What do you know, you fucks? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to know that more than I want to know about UFOs. | ||
| I wonder, what did you bitches do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck did you do, Alan Spector? | ||
| I don't even know who that is. | ||
| Arlen Spector. | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| Fuck both of them. | ||
| Fuck both of them. | ||
| He was one of the guys that was on the Warren Commission Report. | ||
| I think it was his idea for the, I believe, see if this is right. | ||
| I think he's the guy who came up with the idea for the single bullet theory, which is the dumbest fucking theory. | ||
| Like, you're a guy who shot a lot of rifles. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| When bullets hit bones, they get fucked up. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That bullet was pristine. | ||
| And they found it in the gurney. | ||
| Oh, look, magic. | ||
| Connelly, Governor of Texas. | ||
| Connelly's gurney, they found this magic bullet that they think did all the damage to Kennedy and to him. | ||
| Went through two people, broke bones. | ||
| And it was not mushroomed out or anything? | ||
| No! | ||
| Not even a little. | ||
| You never seen it? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| Oh, you're in for a treat. | ||
| Generally credited to him, is what it says. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Yeah, generally credit to him is what this says. | ||
| Arlen Specter? | ||
| Yeah, Arlen Specter is the guy. | ||
| He was a creep during the Bush administration. | ||
| I remember, like, listening to him talk on TV, and then when I found out that he was a part of the Warren Commission that actually came up with the single bullet there, I was like, oh! | ||
| So look at that bullet. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Like, as a hunter. | ||
| As a guy who's shot bullets, when you look at that, you're like, there is no fucking way. | ||
| And I've had arguments that people say, actually, that's not a good photo. | ||
| If you look at it from another angle, you could see that it has some distortion. | ||
| I'm like, shut the fuck up! | ||
| Every bullet I've ever seen that's been in an animal is mushroomed. | ||
| That's how they perform. | ||
| They mushroom out, and there's a fine line between basically coming apart to where the damage would be Dissipated? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or, and then mushroom, none of them look like this, though. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's other photos of it where it shows that it's slightly distorted. | ||
| Yeah, that's not even... | ||
| Right, but the re... | ||
| Like, there. | ||
| There's a good... | ||
| Somebody actually tried to say that to me. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You should look at it from this angle. | ||
| I'm like, bitch. | ||
| It's still nothing. | ||
| You don't know anything about guns. | ||
| You need to shut your fucking mouth. | ||
| Because that's something that was shot into a swimming pool. | ||
| That's what happened there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's what a bullet... | ||
| That looks like. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| They're even more mushroom than that. | ||
| So that must be one of the bullets. | ||
| But that's possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| But yeah, like modern bullets. | ||
| The other thing we have to think of is maybe modern technology, the bullets that we have is better than the bullets they had back then. | ||
| But either way, there's no fucking way. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| Every bullet shows signs of damage, exerting force, breaking bones, damage to the initial shooting, except the magic bullet. | ||
| Yeah, there's no fucking way. | ||
| And they had to come up. | ||
| Here's the thing about the... | ||
| This is the thing about the theory. | ||
| Like, by the way, I have... | ||
| I've lost months of my life studying the JFK assassination. | ||
| I really have. | ||
| I've spent so much time reading books on the JFK assassination. | ||
| But one of the reasons why they had to come up with this theory that this one bullet did so much damage is they had to account for three gunshots. | ||
| And once they found out that a bullet had hit an underpass and it had chipped the curbstone and ricocheted up and hit this guy. | ||
| So the guy had to be treated at the hospital for a ricochet from the gunshot. | ||
| So they knew that that was one bullet that did not hit Kennedy. | ||
| It hit the curbstone. | ||
| There's two. | ||
| So there's two. | ||
| And so one bullet blows a hole through Kennedy's head. | ||
| And so they had to come up with another bullet that went through his back and went into Connolly through his wrist. | ||
| And I believe it wound up in his thigh. | ||
| Yeah, this is how they think the bullet went. | ||
| And people say, no, no, you have to take into account that Kennedy was in an elevated position. | ||
| Listen, bullets do wacky things when they go into animals. | ||
| And I was talking to a guy once that told me, In the war that they shot a guy in the head and the bullet came out of his eye going forward. | ||
| Like it ricocheted off the back of his skull. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He goes, bullets do wild things when they hit bones and ricochet off stuff, but they don't take turns. | ||
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No. | |
| They don't take turns like that. | ||
| There's a reason why the bullet would ricochet inside someone's head and then come out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the initial impact is slightly slowed down. | ||
| It bounces off the back of the skull. | ||
| And then comes out, like it probably clipped the eyebrow or something coming in. | ||
| But either way, they don't come out looking like that! | ||
| No. | ||
| Not after they did all that shit! | ||
| And there was more damage. | ||
| There's more, rather, fragments inside Connelly's body. | ||
| More bullet fragments they found in Connelly's wrist that were missing from the bullet. | ||
| They should have immediately discounted that bullet and said, who gave you this bullet? | ||
| Who the fuck are you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where did this bullet come from for real? | ||
| You're under arrest. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're under arrest, because I want to know where you got this fucking bullet. | ||
| You're going to start talking. | ||
| Why can't we see that information? | ||
| That's in there. | ||
| Also, the hole in Kennedy's neck. | ||
| In Dallas, it was called an exit wound. | ||
| It was a bullet hole. | ||
| But then in Bethesda, Maryland, they said it was a tracheotomy hole. | ||
| His fucking head was missing. | ||
| Why are they doing a trach on him? | ||
| Why would they do that? | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| And then we didn't really know anything until they saw the Zapruder film. | ||
| The Zapruder film which came out, we talked about this yesterday, came out in 73, right? | ||
| No, 75? | ||
| 75. So it was 12 years after the assassination that Geraldo Rivera and Dick Gregory played the Zapruder film on television. | ||
| That was the first time anybody had ever seen it outside of those folks. | ||
| You know what they need to do? | ||
| They need to put you in charge of the investigation I'll be dead in a week. | ||
| Listen, it's amazing to keep me alive just talking shit on this podcast. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm surprised Fauci hasn't knocked you off yet. | ||
| That guy's got to worry about his own life. | ||
| The NIH is going to take him out. | ||
| Rand Paul was grilling him today. | ||
| Today? | ||
| Grilling him today. | ||
| But you could see him panicking and trying to say, under the definitions of what is gain of function, and Rand Paul was just grilling him. | ||
| The NIH themselves has said that you're lying. | ||
| And you can see finally he's nervous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's been arrogant and smug. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Because he felt like he was protected. | ||
| Making documentaries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, now he doesn't feel like that anymore. | ||
| Today was the first time he looked feeble and nervous. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Because he realizes the walls are coming in. | ||
| They're closing in. | ||
| That motherfucker is probably responsible for millions of people being dead. | ||
| God. | ||
| Or at least responsible for the kind of research that could have led to that leak. | ||
| And if that's where it came from, that's responsible for millions of people being dead. | ||
| And meanwhile, he's pretending he lied. | ||
| He lied and said that they didn't fund it. | ||
| They did. | ||
| And Rand Paul's been fucking on his ass the entire time. | ||
| For months. | ||
| This whole time he's been on him. | ||
| And with all due respect, Senator, you do not know what you are talking about. | ||
| But he did know. | ||
| He did know. | ||
| And now Fauci knows. | ||
| The world knows. | ||
| Once the NIH stepped out and they said, no, this is gain-of-function research. | ||
| You funded gain-of-function research. | ||
| Then Fauci's like, his fucking heart's beating 150 beats a minute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Did you watch his documentary? | ||
| 15 times. | ||
| I don't know who would watch it, but he had one, right? | ||
| It's the most ratioed documentary that's ever been seen on Rotten Tomatoes, I think. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| If you look at what the critics say versus what the people say, it's like 2% of the people liked it. | ||
| Oh, so it's opposite of Chappelle's. | ||
| Exactly opposite. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| It's so gross. | ||
| There's so much fake people. | ||
| Fake, corporate-controlled puppets brought to you by Pfizer. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I've talked to so many people about that little clip. | ||
| It should be illegal. | ||
| If you're talking about those things, you should not be sponsored by those things. | ||
| Russell Brand actually had a good... | ||
| I watched a little clip he put together on that. | ||
| That was on point. | ||
| Russell Brand is one of the best journalists in America. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Is he in America? | ||
| He is when he gets to my fucking phone. | ||
| I should say the world. | ||
| No, he lives in the UK. Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, he breaks it down. | ||
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He does. | |
| And he'll talk about... | ||
| Like, he talked about how they were talking about you. | ||
| And so they would... | ||
| They would introduce you as controversial. | ||
| Ha! | ||
| I guess I am. | ||
| And he's like, he goes, how about respected or whatever? | ||
| I mean, but they use the word controversial to get that... | ||
| To dismiss me. | ||
| Yeah, to get the tone started going down that path. | ||
| It used to work. | ||
| All their tactics that they're saying, like dismissing people, calling them a this or that, it used to work. | ||
| The problem with doing that with me is... | ||
| Millions of people listen to the show, they know me. | ||
| I can't hide. | ||
| I've been doing this for so long. | ||
| There's so many hours of footage. | ||
| The people that listen know me. | ||
| So when you try to pretend I'm something I'm not, they're like, what? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're in a weird time in this country, man, because there's so much censorship and these corporate entities that control these tech companies, right? | ||
| These tech companies control a giant part of the discussion in this country. | ||
| Because if you try to say certain things on YouTube, you will get censored. | ||
| They will remove your video. | ||
| They will take it down. | ||
| They will demonetize you. | ||
| They will remove you. | ||
| First of all, they will try to disincentivize you. | ||
| They will try to make it so that you will not make money if you talk about alternative methods of treating COVID. Even if you're a doctor. | ||
| Even if you're an epidemiologist, you're a scientist. | ||
| They've deplatformed doctors. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They've removed Senate testimony by doctors telling congressmen, telling important people in government how medications work, how diseases work. | ||
| They removed them. | ||
| They're like, we know better, we run YouTube. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| And it's scary. | ||
| And the same thing with Facebook and these other social media platforms. | ||
| There's so much power now. | ||
| And then when you realize that these people are all in cahoots. | ||
| They're all in cahoots with the Democratic Party. | ||
| They all get their fucking talking points and what's legal and not legal to talk about. | ||
| And then it goes to mainstream media, to CNN. But what they don't understand is by doing this, they're just making people understand that the hustle is real. | ||
| That the fix is in. | ||
| That it is all a goddamn con game. | ||
| Well, when they see that now and they say, you know, ABC News brought to you by Pfizer, now people are going, wait a second. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is why you'll never hear a negative word about the vaccine on ABC News because they'd be like, what the hell are you doing? | ||
| They're paying our bills. | ||
| They're paying you. | ||
| And you could say a lot of good things about the vaccine. | ||
| Here's the thing about the vaccine. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It's not bad, but we need to be accurate. | ||
| Like, you can't not tell people about the negative response that some people have. | ||
| You can't not tell people about the adverse reactions. | ||
| Just say, hey, here's what you're dealing with. | ||
| You make the decision. | ||
| Yeah, you should know all of it. | ||
| They should report on the deaths. | ||
| They should report on all these soccer players that are having fucking heart attacks. | ||
| They should report on all these different things. | ||
| Say what is going on, but also show all these people that got COVID and they were vaccinated and they survived and they're okay and maybe they wouldn't have. | ||
| Show all these people that are older. | ||
| Show all these people with compromised immune systems. | ||
| Show your hands. | ||
| Show everything. | ||
| Show your hand and then people make the decision. | ||
| Don't force people into taking this shit. | ||
| That's where, like, and Biden is still pushing that vaccine mandate with employees or employers with over 100 people. | ||
| You know, and now they have until January 4th. | ||
| And that could be the way I quit my job. | ||
| Because there's more than 100 people where I work, and the general manager there has been pretty good about it, but they say if OSHA says this or it's a mandate, it's like, man, it's tough. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| I never thought we'd be in a position where an experimental vaccine would be something that people are forced to take if they want to keep their job or travel or go to restaurants or go to bars, especially when you have natural immunity. | ||
| There are people that have survived COVID-19. | ||
| Look at those antibodies, son. | ||
| I've got fat antibodies. | ||
| Oh, so you've had it? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, you've had it. | ||
| Of course you've had it. | ||
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I've had it. | |
| So I've got antibodies. | ||
| My antibodies are better than people's antibodies if they get a vaccine. | ||
| And I can't go places. | ||
| We're going to be in New York City tomorrow. | ||
| I can't eat there. | ||
| We have to go to Jersey. | ||
| Here's the thing, Cam. | ||
| When you go to Jersey, we're going to go to Jersey tomorrow for dinner. | ||
| When we go to Jersey, we're going to go to this nice steakhouse we went to last time. | ||
| There's fucking no masks. | ||
| Everybody's treating it like nothing's going on. | ||
| They're all fine. | ||
| I'm in the airport, and it's like these flight attendants, they're just like, mask over your nose, sir. | ||
| If you have it here right below your nose, no. | ||
| You're killing people if you do that. | ||
| Dangerous. | ||
| Mask over your nose. | ||
| It's like, are you kidding me? | ||
| How crazy is this? | ||
| Well, and also, they're cloth, these paper masks. | ||
| They're nothing. | ||
| They're not protecting. | ||
| There's all these gaps in them. | ||
| Have you ever seen when the doctor blows the vape through the masks? | ||
| I showed it to Sanjay Gupta, because he was talking about masks. | ||
| He brought up the fact that I sell masks on my website. | ||
| I forgot I sell them. | ||
| There was like something someone that works for me made these JRE masks. | ||
| But that was because you have to wear masks everywhere. | ||
| Well, you know, Brandon Bills, who makes my stuff, they said, hey, do you want to do masks? | ||
| And I'm like, no. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I'm not doing fucking masks. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I was a whore. | ||
| I probably made $50 and I looked like a piece of shit for it. | ||
| But this doctor made this video. | ||
| He put it on YouTube. | ||
| You know those people that make those crazy vapes, like the box vapes where they take a hit and it blows crazy smoke? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, this guy puts various masks on and blows through this mask with the vape so you can see. | ||
| And he's like, by the way- It's all coming through, probably. | ||
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| And the vapor, he's like, the vape molecules are far larger than the molecules for COVID. So this idea that this thing in front of your mouth is stopping COVID particles from getting into the air. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| I had this mask the other day because it's like whatever for the airport. | ||
| And I had it on and I could barely breathe. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is up with this mask? | ||
| So it was actually an N95 mask. | ||
| Oh, good one. | ||
| Yeah, so it was one that probably does something, I guess, if it's fitted right. | ||
| But that compared to like the normal, like you just, hey, you got to have a mask, so you put this thing on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, I can breathe just fine with those, so they must not be doing anything. | ||
| Well, he even shows with the N95 mask. | ||
| It comes out the sides. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Like, it comes out. | ||
| It's just so ridiculous. | ||
| It might help a little. | ||
| I mean, it might catch some stuff. | ||
| But this idea that it offers real protection. | ||
| Like, if you knew that you're going to wear one of those masks and walk into a plague house where everybody's dying in a plague, you wouldn't wear that fucking cloth, paper, whatever the fuck it is, thing on your face. | ||
| Those will work if you were going to cough and cough a loogie into somebody's mouth. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Show them with the paper masks. | ||
| Yeah, so go all the way to the beginning. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Is this the first one? | ||
| Get the first one. | ||
| Do the first one because it's got the goofy one. | ||
| Yeah, go to that one because this is the most ridiculous. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Bro, it's coming out. | ||
| The sides is coming out everywhere. | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| You could cough a loogie and it would stop that. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| I mean, this is nuts! | ||
| It does keep it from coming out a little bit from the front, but it goes sideways. | ||
| So you just make the people sick that are sitting next to you. | ||
| Like, look at that one. | ||
| It's nuts! | ||
| It comes out. | ||
| If you can breathe in, that means that you can breathe out and the air comes out. | ||
| Which means that... | ||
| I mean, maybe it's stopping some of it. | ||
| Maybe it's filtering some of it. | ||
| I would like to see, like, real data. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how they would do that. | ||
| I mean, I think they've done data in terms of infection rates of people wearing masks or not wearing masks, but it's so hard because so many of these studies, they're so biased. | ||
| You can tell that they're saying things because they want to come to a conclusion. | ||
| I believe you and Russell Brand. | ||
| Don't believe me all the time. | ||
| I believe Russell before I believe me. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I believe Brett Weinstein. | ||
| I believe people that are sticking the neck out that are risking their livelihood. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| It's just... | ||
| The censorship is the scariest thing because people don't understand that by censoring people, you're just making the other side seem like they have a point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even if they talk nonsense. | ||
| Even if it's like QAnon shit. | ||
| They're nutty people. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| You're still making it seem like they have a point. | ||
| Did you know that there was a bunch of people that went to Dallas yesterday because they thought that JFK was returning and that he was going to be Trump's VP? JFK Jr. JFK Jr. Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was JFK Sr. No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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Remember, they think that's part of the QAnon thing. | |
| They think that JFK Jr. is some guy, and they thought he was at the Capitol Hill thing. | ||
| In that documentary, they show who the guy is. | ||
| So, this is how dumb these motherfuckers are. | ||
| They went to Dealey Plaza. | ||
| Be careful. | ||
| You're talking about me. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| You don't believe that. | ||
| How dare you. | ||
| They went there and they waited for JFK Jr., I guess, to appear. | ||
| And they're like, any minute now. | ||
| He's coming any minute now. | ||
| So these videos, these dorks, they've been without QAnon for months now, right? | ||
| It's 10 months since January 6th. | ||
| They're like, what to do? | ||
| What to do? | ||
| Once they realized that that QAnon stuff wasn't real, they're like, damn, what do I do? | ||
| Look at these dorks. | ||
| All waiting around. | ||
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Dirt! | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| Look, they got lawn chairs and shit. | ||
| Isn't this where they'd have the undercover FBI guys, too, though? | ||
| Yeah, the FBI guys are like, we need to riot! | ||
| We need to riot! | ||
| Oh, they have queues. | ||
| Queues at Make America Great Again hats on. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Fucking dummies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's brutal. | ||
| Well, this is the problem, though. | ||
| Oh, I saw a shirt. | ||
| Trump and JFK Jr. You see that? | ||
| Oh, let me see that shirt. | ||
| Right there. | ||
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God. | |
| Oh my God. | ||
| These guys, they get together and they all share three brain cells. | ||
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Oh. | |
| This is so silly. | ||
| But, so, on the opposite side of this is the liberals. | ||
| So they have just extreme liberals. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I think that the squad is about probably the polar opposite of that, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, and the people that follow them like religiously and cry when they see them. | ||
| It's like, there's just... | ||
| Groups of people that find a thing, whatever that thing is, whether it's QAnon or whether it's like Marxism, like whatever it is, they find a thing and then they find a bunch of other people that are willing to greet that thing and then they get in an echo chamber and they fucking just yell at everybody else. | ||
| Well, that's their... | ||
| Like I said, you know, training is... | ||
| Bowhunting is my purpose for training. | ||
| That's their purpose. | ||
| It's like they've attached their... | ||
| Whatever to. | ||
| Their identity, essentially. | ||
| And so that's just what it's all about. | ||
| They're like mind viruses. | ||
| Like people catch a mind virus and then they hang on to it. | ||
| Like QAnon is like a mind virus. | ||
| It's weird how people could be that gullible, though. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It is, but then you think about cults. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get you to chop your balls off. | ||
| Yeah, but it's happened forever. | ||
| As long as humans have been around, there's been people who... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just, isn't that strange about our specie? | ||
| It is. | ||
| But people, like, uncertainty scares a lot of folks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they don't like it. | ||
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| That's why people, like, stay in the same place and they don't take any, they don't do any adventures, they don't try anything dangerous. | ||
| They just like stay in their lane and they rot away like that because they're just afraid of the risk. | ||
| And so because uncertainty makes people scared when they can find people that will assure them and reassure them and provide them with a framework and they don't have to do any thinking, they cling on to that. | ||
| And then they find a bunch of other people who agree with that and then they reinforce each other and then they attack anybody. | ||
| Who disagrees with that opinion because you're literally attacking their very existence. | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| Bunch of bitches. | ||
| Weak-ass bitches. | ||
| There's a lot of weak-ass bitches out there. | ||
| And I'm becoming less charitable as I've gotten older. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would have thought as I got older I would be more compassionate to some of these people. | ||
| But now I'm just like, where's the fucking wolves? | ||
| We need wolves in the streets. | ||
| Taking these dummies out. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you just talked about how people, they don't like the uncertainty. | ||
| They like... | ||
| Even if it's... | ||
| I mean, I thought something weird for a second though, but even like, you know, they say women who have been abused, they stay in that relationship. | ||
| Sometimes, yeah. | ||
| Because maybe that's, because it's a known evil, I guess. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So then I was thinking, I saw this clip the other day, and it was this guy says, he says, he asked people if they would take $10 million What could you do with $10 million? | ||
| And people said they could live a good life for a year, 10 years, or however long. | ||
| And he goes, okay, well, what if I gave you $10 million, but then you wouldn't wake up tomorrow? | ||
| They said, well, no, I wouldn't do that. | ||
| He said, so that means your life for a day is worth more than $10 million. | ||
| Otherwise you would take it and you know, you wouldn't wake up tomorrow. | ||
| So if your life is worth more than $10 million for a day of living, why do you just wake up and just go through the motions? | ||
| Why aren't you waking up and putting that value on and saying you need to make the most of and, and, you know, appreciating every day you have, if it's that valuable to you, if you put it in those terms and it's, I just, it's, it's weird how people, you know, When you put it like that, it's an easy decision to make. | ||
| But when you just say, well, I'm just gonna wake up and go through the motions, it's like, are you really maximizing the value of your life, the gift of life? | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting how people, like, develop these patterns. | ||
| And one of the things that they do is, like, unless something radical happens to you where you feel like it's all gonna be taken away, you just can take it for granted. | ||
| Like, those near-death experiences are so profound for people. | ||
| Because so many people have something happen like a cancer scare or maybe a car accident or some kind of a near-death experience where they walk out of it and then they realize like they could have lost everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they changed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you always had that. | ||
| You always had this life that has endless possibilities. | ||
| Why does it take a wake-up call? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think there's a problem with most people's existences. | ||
| This is why I've been trying to get you to quit your job. | ||
| Most people's existences, you're doing something all day that you don't want to do. | ||
| And you have all this adventure that you do on top of that. | ||
| But a lot of people don't. | ||
| So their existence is this dull drone of doing things they don't want to do all the time. | ||
| And then when they get home, they just watch TV and eat. | ||
| And when they see people that are daring, that take risks, they attack them. | ||
| They hate on them. | ||
| And that's through the comfort of their own phone and through the keyboards. | ||
| They like to shit on people that make them feel uncomfortable. | ||
| And they'll talk shit about your ambitions and what the fuck is wrong with him. | ||
| Why is he running every day? | ||
| Why is he working out so much? | ||
| The kind of stuff they do for you, I see it. | ||
| I don't read my comments, but I'll read yours. | ||
| But that's why they do it. | ||
| They do it because they feel inadequate because... | ||
| They're not living a maximized life. | ||
| But they could. | ||
| That's the thing, they could. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| And the longer you get into that life, the harder it is to get it. | ||
| If you're 55 years old, and you've been living this dull-ass, boring life your whole life, and you've never taken any chances, and your body looks like shit, and it's fat and doughy, and you're tired all the time, and you decide, I want to be a beast today. | ||
| Like, boy, you got a long road, son. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| People do it. | ||
| I mean, people... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if they turn into beasts, quote-unquote, but they lose 100 pounds. | ||
| Hey, man, if a guy loses 100 pounds, he's a beast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a beast. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's a Herculean effort. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and we've talked about this before, but even where I work now, there's people who I worked with, and they'd say, well, you keep that up. | ||
| You won't be running when you're 40. You won't be doing this. | ||
| You won't be doing that because you need replacements. | ||
| You're going to break your body down. | ||
| You won't be able to walk and all this, but... | ||
| What happens is, and we talked about this with Goggins the other day, but your body, his was pretty extreme, but your body does adapt to the load you put on it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they say, instead of, it's not running breaks your body down, running strengthens your body. | ||
| And runners actually have stronger joints, stronger knees, stronger hips, because they've been, their body has adapted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, it's like everything else. | ||
| Like, TIE fighters. | ||
| Like, if someone kicks you in the shin, that hurts like hell. | ||
| But TIE fighters can kick fucking trees. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because their body's adapted. | ||
| It just hurts to adapt. | ||
| And to be able to do things that are difficult, you have to harden your mind, too. | ||
| That's the most impressive thing about people like you, and Goggins, and these folks that do these endurance events. | ||
| You've got to harden your mind if you're going to run for three days. | ||
| Yeah, that's definitely the hardest part. | ||
| And they say, you know, I mean, where the change happens, it's like being consecutive days of training, that's good, but it's over years. | ||
| Not very many people do it for years. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Everybody goes, they get all fired up, energized to do something, then that drops off. | ||
| They might do it for a week, but then that drops off. | ||
| Like folks who lose weight and then gain it back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, but if you can just continue to put in the work, punch that time clock, your life I mean, it can change dramatically. | ||
| Your body will change. | ||
| Everything will change. | ||
| How you look at things changes, but it takes that consistent effort. | ||
| The consistency is so hard because there's a lot of comfort in those old patterns. | ||
| And even if the old patterns are just eating cake and watching TV, some people just fall back to them. | ||
| Or drugs. | ||
| Like some people, you know, they kick the pills and their life is doing good and then they, you know, get to a point where they made a lot of improvement and they'll slide right back into the pills again. | ||
| You're like, why? | ||
| Why you were doing so good? | ||
| Why are you doing drugs again? | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's almost like that pattern is better for their brain because they know what happens when you do that versus the open-ended possibilities of just going for it. | ||
| Just trying to live a maximized life because if you do and you fail, The pain of that, it's difficult to deal with. | ||
| But that's how you learn. | ||
| And that's how you continue to go. | ||
| That's how you continue to move forward. | ||
| Some people just that, the unknown is so scary for people. | ||
| That's why people don't like to try new things. | ||
| They don't like to take chances. | ||
| They don't like to learn new stuff. | ||
| Because it's like, what if I fail? | ||
| What if I suck? | ||
| I don't like not knowing things. | ||
| I'm just going to do what I know. | ||
| Well, that's, I mean, that's what I've always admired about you is like, you've had so much success, you know, you say from podcasting to comedy, but then you're willing to try something hard like bow hunting and people who bow hunt know how hard it is. | ||
| And for you to embrace that has just been a lot of people won't do that, you know, because it is so hard. | ||
| And it's like, you can fail a lot. | ||
| And it hurts. | ||
| Yeah, but I like it. | ||
| I like new things, man. | ||
| And bowhunting is fucking hard. | ||
| And that's why I like it. | ||
| It keeps me normal. | ||
| I think the more difficult things I do, whether it's my workouts or martial arts or anything that I do... | ||
| They keep me normal. | ||
| I don't think people should have an easy life. | ||
| I don't believe in easy. | ||
| I don't think it's good for you. | ||
| If I just was flying around on private jets and fucking eating catered meals and doing nothing hard, who am I? What are you? | ||
| What is the purpose of life? | ||
| How does your brain work? | ||
| Where's the challenge? | ||
| Where's the thing that keeps you alive? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's that hunger. | ||
| People lose it. | ||
| We talked about fighters retiring, then they lose that purpose, but maybe it's hunger. | ||
| So what keeps that? | ||
| Because I feel, just for me personally, and I don't know why, I'm thinking about it as we are discussing this, but when I first started hunting, I would have a beat-up Toyota, not even a four-wheel drive, a two-wheel drive piece of shit. | ||
| And I drive it hunting, but I feel like now I have that same drive to succeed as I did then, but I travel in comfort to get to my house, but I still hunt the same as I did. | ||
| So, I'm trying to think... | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because your mindset is not—you can look at it one way, like the hungry people are the people that don't have anything, and so they're trying hard to get to that thing. | ||
| But what you're doing is you're trying hard, as hard as you can, to achieve excellence. | ||
| Like, your focus is on excellence. | ||
| If your focus is always on excellence, it doesn't matter if you get there in a fucking new Raptor or if you get there in a busted-down old pickup truck that barely runs. | ||
| Like, your focus is the same. | ||
| Like, it's an inconsequential Whether or not you're struggling financially, it doesn't matter because the struggle, the physical struggle, is always difficult. | ||
| It's always the same. | ||
| So your goal is so lofty. | ||
| Like your goal, being your best in the mountains, doing one of the most difficult things I've ever done, bow hunting. | ||
| Bowhunting in the mountains is one of the most... | ||
| I've done a lot of wild shit. | ||
| I've fought. | ||
| I've done a lot of stand-up comedy. | ||
| I do live podcasts and live UFC broadcasts. | ||
| Things that make people nervous. | ||
| Bowhunting is one of the hardest fucking things I've ever done. | ||
| And one of the best things. | ||
| And the thing is, it's available to everybody. | ||
| It's like, not everybody gets to hunt at the Deseret, but... | ||
| You know, people get mad at that, but that's, you know, go make some money, bitch. | ||
| But this is... | ||
| So why is it so hard? | ||
| It's hard because these fucking animals have evolved for millions of years to avoid predators. | ||
| You have to play the wind. | ||
| You have to be fit enough to get to the top of the mountain. | ||
| You have to be able to execute a good shot under pressure. | ||
| And the feeling of making a good shot is beyond description. | ||
| It's so hard for us to explain to someone what it's like to center that pin on the vitals, watch that arrow, Slam in there and know you did it and watch that animal briefly run off and then tip over and know you gave that thing the quickest death possible and The reason why it has the quickest death possible is because you develop your skills You develop your accuracy and your ability to to execute | ||
| under pressure and it's fucking hard to do it's really hard to do and And you don't get a chance to do it again. | ||
| You get one shot. | ||
| There's one shot. | ||
| The animal's there. | ||
| You line up the shot. | ||
| And you think about all those thousands and thousands of arrows you shot over the years. | ||
| And this is it. | ||
| This is the moment. | ||
| You get one of these. | ||
| And also, well, I don't think about all those. | ||
| I mean, because it's subconscious. | ||
| But here's... | ||
| I mean, you know what my goal is. | ||
| My goal is to be perfect. | ||
| But even after 33 years, who knows how many arrows, there's still that crunch time decision making. | ||
| So I had a bull. | ||
| The bull in Utah this year came up 10 yards away. | ||
| He's quartering to me a little bit. | ||
| I got my 90-pound bow, as we know. | ||
| And I'm thinking... | ||
| That distance, still, I did not make the best decision because I thought, you know what? | ||
| I can just pound right through that shoulder and I'll get his chest. | ||
| Didn't happen. | ||
| You hit a bone dead on. | ||
| Hit the shoulder dead on. | ||
| It broke his shoulder, and that was debilitating to him, but it wasn't through the lungs, which is what you want for a quick death. | ||
| So even my decision-making in that crunch time moment where you get one chance wasn't perfect. | ||
| I screwed up. | ||
| Luckily, he went out. | ||
| I got another arrow into him, and I did get him killed, but... | ||
| Still, even after all this time, all these, you know, have killed a lot of bulls now, man, the decision-making has to be perfect. | ||
| And it has to be done on the fly. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| In this brief moment, this window in time. | ||
| Bulls come in just screaming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you've got to figure out what to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what I've always said. | ||
| You can master archery. | ||
| I mean, people, they shoot perfect 300s and people who don't know, I've never even done it. | ||
| I don't even know anything about target, but I know that they shoot um a certain amount of arrows and you can get a 300 score and if you hit right in the x that's the certain amount of x's so i think it's 60 arrows you can get 60 x's if you're perfect but anyway you can master that because people have done that before you can't master bow hunting no you cannot master but i don't care who you are i don't care how long you do it it's you and that animal and it's an imperfect I mean, | ||
| man's imperfect, hunting's imperfect, and it's just, you'll never master it. | ||
| That's why it's so important to always be at your best. | ||
| And that's the challenge of it all. | ||
| The challenge of it all is that, first of all, the stakes couldn't be higher for the animal. | ||
| It's life or death. | ||
| You owe that animal a quick death. | ||
| And you're also in this situation where there's these wild instincts that live inside all of us, because we all come from hunters. | ||
| All of us. | ||
| And you might not even know that's in there. | ||
| And the way I'd say it to people, like, most people have caught a fish. | ||
| I'm like, you know what that feeling's like when you get a fish, like, oh, I got him, I got him, I got him. | ||
| You feel it's life, like it's tugging on that line. | ||
| But it's so exciting. | ||
| The reason why it's so exciting is there's a part of our ancient memory that recognizes that the difference between life and death is whether or not you get that fish and you get that nutrition and you can feed a family. | ||
| You feed your family. | ||
| You got this fish, okay, now we're eating, we're alive. | ||
| I remember, you know, you've caught trout. | ||
| You remember eating that meat and tons of little bones in it. | ||
| You don't give a fuck. | ||
| You're pulling out the bones and putting them on the plate, but you're eating that, what you caught. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, as a kid, we'd catch trout in the creek out behind the house. | ||
| Hardly any meat on those things, like a 10-inch cutthroat. | ||
| And you're picking through bones and you're eating it, but you're eating what you caught. | ||
| That was the thing. | ||
| There's a satisfaction to that. | ||
| That was my first experience with any kind of wild creature, was catching fish and eating fish. | ||
| And I did that a lot when I was a kid. | ||
| I did a lot of fishing. | ||
| But hunting is that times whatever. | ||
| It's like way more intense. | ||
| And I think it's more intense because it's a mammal. | ||
| There's something about fish that people don't really give that much of a fuck about fish. | ||
| For whatever reason, we don't associate with them. | ||
| And they're not as valuable to us nutrition-wise. | ||
| Like, when you see a fish, that is a meal. | ||
| When I see an elk, I'm like, that's my year's meat. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That's my meat for a year. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm trying to think what I, I mean, I think about, I love the meat, but I think about when I was growing up is like seeing a big bull was like seeing a unicorn almost. | ||
| I mean, it was, you know, we, we deer hunt a lot and that's all I used to hunt is deer. | ||
| I never even hunted elk with a rifle, but seeing a big bull God. | ||
| They're magic. | ||
| So rare. | ||
| Yeah, they're a majestic creature. | ||
| And people will, whoa, did you kill them? | ||
| Listen, the death from a hunter is the best death that animal has ever gotten. | ||
| They're not going to get a better death. | ||
| That death is going to be quicker than any wolf or any mountain lion or any bear is ever going to give them, and they're not going to live forever. | ||
| Like, the elk that I shot in Utah, his teeth were so worn down. | ||
| He was like a 13-year-old bull. | ||
| He had just gum. | ||
| So he was gumming grass in some spots. | ||
| Which means he had a year or two left where he had any fucking teeth at all. | ||
| And then he's going to starve to death. | ||
| Or he's going to get taken out by a cat or by some other animal. | ||
| That's what happens to them. | ||
| Yeah, they just get, they can, you know, consume less, you know, 700, 800 pound bull, that's a lot of grass that's got to eat, right? | ||
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| You can imagine how, so you know what you eat and how many calories are in it. | ||
| If you're just eating salad all the time, how much salad do you need to eat to fuel yourself? | ||
| You don't even get dressing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So think about a big bull elk, how, they got to eat almost all the time. | ||
| Well, when, when he's, you know, his teeth are, he can't process that I mean, he can't feed like he would if his teeth were good. | ||
| It's like he can't get enough. | ||
| So slowly he's wasting away and getting weaker and weaker over months, over days, over years, whatever amount of time. | ||
| And then it's like he can't do it anymore. | ||
| We saw a really old cow elk in California this year. | ||
| It was sad. | ||
| She was all skin and bones. | ||
| Really? | ||
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| Yeah, we couldn't figure out if, like, something had happened to her, if she'd gotten injured, or if she was just so old she couldn't chew her food anymore. | ||
| But that's what happens. | ||
| It might be that. | ||
| That's what happens. | ||
| They get to a point where they don't get enough. | ||
| Like you're saying, they have to eat every day, all day. | ||
| They don't, like, fast. | ||
| There's no intermittent fasting in the bull world. | ||
| No. | ||
| And, you know, I think about... | ||
| I mean, I have compassion for animals. | ||
| I mean, I... You know, the killing part is a part that I don't enjoy. | ||
| But... | ||
| So you think about that animal, what it's going through. | ||
| So say a cat's in the area, the herd spooks. | ||
| That cow, because she's weaker and more frail, the herd takes off. | ||
| She can't keep up. | ||
| Imagine those thoughts. | ||
| It knows what it has to do to escape this predator, and it can't. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's no easy death in the wild. | ||
| No, the cycle of life is ruthless. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| So a well-placed arrow, I don't know. | ||
| As you said, there's no more merciful deaths for them. | ||
| It's kind of amazing that humans made it as long as we did. | ||
| We're so weak. | ||
| Compared to animals, I mean, we're smart enough to figure out weapons, which is really what did it for us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would like to go back in time and see what humans were like before weapons. | ||
| I would love to see what, like, an Australopithecus looked like. | ||
| Like, be around them. | ||
| Because we're really guessing what they look like based on their bones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It had to be more tough than what the fuck we are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Bill Gates. | ||
| Think about Bill Gates' body. | ||
| Now imagine... | ||
| I know, but I even think about, you know, they say the U.S. is number one in the world in COVID deaths. | ||
| And I think about... | ||
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We're number one. | |
| We're number one. | ||
| Part of that, though, is because we've had it so easy. | ||
| Well, it's also a part of it is 95% of those people who died had four comorbidities. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like you can turn diabetic because of a shitty diet, because of being obese, because of... | ||
| So it's like that's what I'm saying is society is so easy. | ||
| A sickness like COVID where you might overcome quickly, and I know there's different variations of everything and everybody's different, but... | ||
| A lot of people probably died because of how easy life is, right? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Well, you know, Theo Vaughn, who you just met, Theo didn't even fucking know he had COVID. We tested him for antibodies. | ||
| He's like, oh shit, I got them COVID antibodies. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't even know he had it. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It's, you know, we are a country that has a, overall, a large percentage of us have a terrible diet. | ||
| Sedentary lifestyle, aren't taking vitamins, aren't supplementing their shitty diet with nutrients. | ||
| They're not exercising. | ||
| They're not pushing their body and making it more resilient and making it tougher. | ||
| And the small amount of people that are, they're not treated like they're different in terms of what they're expected to do or not do during the pandemic. | ||
| And that's one of the things that's so weird. | ||
| It's like when you look at the real numbers of the people that do survive, the people that are sick and the people that aren't. | ||
| And you take into account the nutrients. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They want a one-size-fits-all policy for everything because they want you to feel the same way some fucking 500-pound guy with diabetes and emphysema. | ||
| Like, he should be as scared as me? | ||
| We should be the same scared? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That doesn't seem to make sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They want you to do what they do, but they don't want to do what you do. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's easier to tell you what to do. | ||
| There was a fucking ad. | ||
| I forget who made the ad. | ||
| But the ad literally said how long it takes to lose weight. | ||
| It was talking about how long it takes to lose weight. | ||
| That you only lose like a pound a month. | ||
| And then it said, get the vax. | ||
| That's what it was saying. | ||
| It was basically saying, like, forget it. | ||
| You ain't gonna lose that weight. | ||
| Don't worry about being healthy. | ||
| Don't worry about the fact that 78% of the people that get hospitalized for COVID are obese. | ||
| 78%. | ||
| Don't worry about that. | ||
| What you need to do is just take the shot. | ||
| How about both? | ||
| Yeah, it's so strange. | ||
| Yeah, can you be in good shape? | ||
| What's wrong with that? | ||
| How about take vitamins? | ||
| How about talk about vitamin D? Talk about the fact that 84% of the people that were in the ICU at one point in time for COVID had insufficient levels of vitamin D. 84%. | ||
| You don't hear that, do you? | ||
| It's a giant factor. | ||
| Four percent. | ||
| Four had sufficient levels. | ||
| Four percent. | ||
| Most of the country is insufficient in vitamin D. Most of the country. | ||
| And you can take that supplement. | ||
| More than 70%. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| They're tiny. | ||
| A child can swallow it. | ||
| I take them every day. | ||
| Yeah, I take them every day. | ||
| Amazing, look how healthy you are. | ||
| It's a funny thing that, you know, people that are like yourself or like me that work out all the time, I'm not requiring it of anybody. | ||
| I'm not telling anybody to do it. | ||
| But you can't pretend that it doesn't help. | ||
| You can't pretend. | ||
| You can't pretend it's not better. | ||
| You can't pretend. | ||
| It takes a lot of effort. | ||
| But, you know, effort is something that's free. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Y'all got effort. | ||
| They say that there's the things you can control. | ||
| It's like being on time, working out, doing all these things. | ||
| You don't even need a fucking gym, all right? | ||
| If you want to go, oh, I can't afford a gym. | ||
| I could fuck you up with a workout with no gym. | ||
| I'm carrying my rock up the mountain. | ||
| That rock, yeah, that rock that you had. | ||
| How much did that rock weigh? | ||
| 130. Yeah, so you... | ||
| Cam had a rock. | ||
| This is before I met him. | ||
| It's one of the reasons why I met you. | ||
| You had a video of you putting a rock in a backpack, and sometimes you just carry it on your shoulder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you took this stupid rock up to the top of the... | ||
| When did you give up on that rock? | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Is it still there? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did someone steal it? | ||
| I don't know what happened to it. | ||
| Somebody rolled it off the mountain or something, but then... | ||
| Maybe someone stole it. | ||
| Yeah, and then Under Armour sent me another rock, but it's only 70 pounds, so I have it there still. | ||
| But even carrying that 70-pound rock on your shoulder, that shit is hard, dude. | ||
| Bro, I do workouts sometimes with a 25-pound weight vest. | ||
| That shit's hard. | ||
| Yeah, but I always think that this is all I need, a rock and a mountain. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So it's like, you don't need a gym membership. | ||
| No, you don't need much. | ||
| If you have a tree, you can do chin-ups. | ||
| There's a lot of folks who do a lot of workouts outdoors. | ||
| They like to do workouts outdoors. | ||
| And they do a lot of stuff where they show, like, purposely, like, you don't really need much equipment. | ||
| You just need something you could grab ahold of. | ||
| You find a tree branch that's sufficient, jump up, grab ahold of that bitch, you can get some chin-ups in. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, like, you don't need much. | ||
| Have you done a burpee? | ||
| Have you done? | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| Do about a hundred of those. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Miserable. | ||
| Or Hindu push-ups, you ever do those? | ||
| Yeah, I have. | ||
| Hindu push-ups and Hindu squats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do a hundred of those. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| But, you know, it's definitely better to have a gym, without a doubt. | ||
| Not saying, oh, it's the reason why I have a gym, the reason why you have a gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Burt Sorenx is the reason why we have gyms. | ||
| Thanks, Burt. | ||
| But they're necessary. | ||
| I mean, it really can help you, but you can get a great workout without them. | ||
| But nothing helps me more than getting up before anybody else is up. | ||
| Not anybody, because people are up all the time. | ||
| But four in the morning and running. | ||
| Nothing helps me more than just knowing that I'm making that decision to get my ass out of bed and getting outside. | ||
| And because once I've done that, it's like... | ||
| I mean, to me, I always feel like that's the hardest decision to make, getting out of bed and going outside. | ||
| And so once I do that, I won. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You won for the day, and you've got to win again the next day. | ||
| It's like the rent is always due. | ||
| You have to always keep going. | ||
| And that's what people have a hard time with. | ||
| They have a hard time with consistency. | ||
| It's, you know, they get enthusiastic, like, this is it. | ||
| I'm going to quit cookies and no more cupcakes, and I'm going to get my shit together. | ||
| And they might do it for a day. | ||
| They might do it for a week. | ||
| Can you do it for a year? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, can you do it for two years? | ||
| Can you keep going? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of people can't. | ||
| No. | ||
| But they can. | ||
| It's all mental. | ||
| It literally is all mental. | ||
| You can force yourself to do anything. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why I like to do new things. | ||
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| Yourself with something you become a beginner again mm-hmm. | ||
| That's what's important because when you're an expert at something like you can get lazy Being an expert you like you already like a lot of fighters have done that when they they get to a point where they they believe They're so good like Mike Tyson in his prime mm-hmm so good. | ||
| It doesn't feel like yes training. | ||
| Yeah Yeah, he could party. | ||
| And then Buster Douglas comes along and wrecks the party. | ||
| And that's the wake-up call. | ||
| The wake-up call is, if you really want to be the best of the best, you have to treat every day like it's a whole new project. | ||
| And there's no shortcuts, there's no slacking off, and your commitment must be 100%. | ||
| And you know what's... | ||
| So here's the struggle that I even face. | ||
| Because there's so many people who will say, You should take a day off. | ||
| You should get some rest. | ||
| Sleep is important. | ||
| There's always this like to do less. | ||
| And so then I don't know, is it them? | ||
| Wanting me to do less so they feel better? | ||
| Or do they really care about me? | ||
| Because that's why I love people like Goggins. | ||
| So I focus on people like that. | ||
| Not the people who are telling me, hey, you're wearing your body down or you're doing this or that. | ||
| Because there's always those people and I never know what the objective is. | ||
| I think they think they're right. | ||
| And I think a lot of them, they're trying to give you good advice. | ||
| They're worried you're going to have a heart attack and die. | ||
| Why are they worried about me? | ||
| Well, because they see a guy like you that you're putting out so much more effort than them, they don't think it's possible to sustain it. | ||
| Yeah, maybe so. | ||
| But if you look at the Donaher death squad, like the elite jiu-jitsu squad in the world, Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, all those guys, those motherfuckers take zero days off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 365 days a year. | ||
| And if you want to be on that squad, you want to be competing in the world stage and representing John Donaher, there's no vacations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no days off. | ||
| I mean, Christmas? | ||
| Yeah, no Christmas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, if they did go hard, the next day, it's not an off day, they'd just go a little lighter the next day. | ||
| They just do technique. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they're training still. | ||
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| They're still getting better. | ||
| So to me, you flip that switch, and it's like, I don't know. | ||
| Mentally, you're like, no, I'm still doing it. | ||
| Still grinding. | ||
| I do something every day. | ||
| And some days, it's just sauna and stretching and ice baths. | ||
| But I'm stretching. | ||
| I'm doing something. | ||
| So if I'm really wrecked, I can still sit in the sauna for 20 minutes. | ||
| I can still stretch. | ||
| So I'm improving my flexibility. | ||
| I'm improving my recovery. | ||
| And I'm putting in the effort. | ||
| It's not easy to do that sauna. | ||
| It's not fun to do the ice bath. | ||
| When I do it, I got your ice bath. | ||
| God, it's so terrible. | ||
| But I've never felt better. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Physically, I've never felt better. | ||
| Wait till you get a sauna as well. | ||
| That's the fucking, that's the combo, baby. | ||
| Right now, I do the hot tub, ice bath. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's real good, too. | ||
| That's real good, too. | ||
| Dude, I tell you what, when I first, the first time in it, This is what's amazing. | ||
| It's like first time in it, I made it maybe 30 seconds. | ||
| I mean, it was... | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| I think I did a minute and a half the first time and I was fucking duh. | ||
| No, my wife was like, go down, I think it's something like, go down to your neck or over your shoulders. | ||
| And then I was like, then... | ||
| I switched it around and I said, no, I'm getting out now because I was mad at her. | ||
| She's telling me to go lower. | ||
| So I'm like being a big baby and got out. | ||
| I said, there, you happy now? | ||
| Now I'm not doing anything. | ||
| But 30 seconds and it was just up to about, I don't know, waste. | ||
| It's so miserable. | ||
| Now I can stay in. | ||
| It's not fun, but I do five minutes a day. | ||
| Yeah, isn't it wild? | ||
| You just get accustomed to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's never quite like, you know, you go sit in the hot tub and you're like, oh, I'm going to go sit in the hot tub. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| It's fun all the time. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| Every second is fun. | ||
| Or like relaxing. | ||
| Not fun, but relaxing. | ||
| And then the ice bath, none of it's relaxing. | ||
| It's just miserable. | ||
| But my God, my body is... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but I've had a hip thing for years. | ||
| And when I'd go do those big runs or whatever, it was always about what is my hip going to do? | ||
| Hip feels great. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
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| I don't know why. | ||
| It's anti-inflammatory properties, these cold shock proteins. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you subject your body to that insane temperature, your body thinks it's going to die. | ||
| And your body produces these cold shock proteins. | ||
| Dr. Rhonda Patrick has talked about it pretty extensively, that and heat shock proteins. | ||
| It also produces norepinephrine, and that makes you feel good. | ||
| It's literally like a potent antidepressant. | ||
| Wim Hof talks about that. | ||
| He talks about how ice baths are a cure for depression. | ||
| Because you feel like shit, but you get in that ice bath. | ||
| When you get out of there, you feel fucking great. | ||
| When you get out, you feel great. | ||
| Not when you're in there. | ||
| Not when you're in there. | ||
| I must be doing something wrong. | ||
| I took Rhonda, the first time she experienced that, I took her to Cryo Healthcare in Woodland Hills, back where my old studio was. | ||
| And she would get into that cryotherapy thing with me. | ||
| And then when she got out, I filmed her coming out for the first time. | ||
| You remember those things? | ||
| You open the door and all the fucking smoke comes out. | ||
| Oh, it's like minus 200 or something. | ||
| 250. Minus 250. And so she got out and she's like, oh, that was amazing. | ||
| And she starts rattling off all the things that's happening to your body. | ||
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Really? | |
| Like, why? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she was so excited because she's so smart and she understands all the mechanisms of what's going on, why your body's reacting the way it is. | ||
| It was really interesting to see. | ||
| She was talking about the norepinephrine. | ||
| It gives you the... | ||
| And she's like, wow, I feel amazing! | ||
| And, you know, like, for her, being a scientist, and to experience that rush. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, she was like, oh! | ||
| You know, it's like, she had always been a fan of the sauna, and she had done that a lot, but, like, the ice, the cryotherapy had been a new thing. | ||
| But I think cryotherapy is... | ||
| It's brutal and it's great, but it's more tolerable for some reason than the ice bath. | ||
| Oh yeah, I did that before and that wasn't bad at all. | ||
| Well, it gets rough. | ||
| The most I've ever done is I did 3 minutes and 40 seconds. | ||
| And when you get every minute... | ||
| Once you hit two minutes, every minute more gets rougher. | ||
| Three minutes is rougher, and then three minutes... | ||
| The guy who used to run was like, let me see how long you can take it. | ||
| And I probably would have stayed in longer, but my legs were shaking so bad I started getting nervous. | ||
| It's still not as good as the ice bath, though, is it? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a different feeling. | ||
| The ice bath, you have a really hard time breathing. | ||
| I didn't know how expensive those were. | ||
| It's not cheap. | ||
| I think like 17,000 bucks. | ||
| It's a little bit more than that. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| There's 20. Oh my god. | ||
| But that's the one you have. | ||
| You don't have to do it that way. | ||
| You can just get bags of ice, which are fairly cheap, and a tub. | ||
| You can do it on the cheap. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| It's a breathing. | ||
| So I think I do... | ||
| And they say even just breathing deep is good for you. | ||
| Like outside of. | ||
| And I never do that. | ||
| But you have to do it in that ice bath. | ||
| But I'm like in through my nose and out. | ||
| I can do like six breaths a minute or something like that. | ||
| And so I know I count to 20. And then I'll look at the clock and I'm like, God, thank God I'm over two and a half minutes or something like that. | ||
| But yeah, it's, I mean. | ||
| I always wear a dive watch, right? | ||
| So I always go in and I set the thing. | ||
| And then I just, I'll do, you know, whatever I decide to do. | ||
| More than five minutes isn't good for you, is what it says. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| But you did like 20, right? | ||
| I did 20. I think it was a little more than 20. I did 20 one day, yeah, and it was not good. | ||
| I don't know how hard it was. | ||
| When I saw that video of you doing that, I'm like, oh, whatever. | ||
| Then I got one, I'm like, oh my god, how? | ||
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| Yeah, I'm never doing that again, because I was pretty fucked up for a couple days afterwards. | ||
| Yeah, I was a little off. | ||
| And my wife was scared that I was gonna die. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, she said that she was like hovering over me while I was sleeping, like checking to making sure that I was alive. | ||
| She said she was really worried that I was gonna die. | ||
| I'm like, if I was gonna die, I would've died right afterwards. | ||
| I would've died at night. | ||
| Then I'm nice and warm. | ||
| Like I didn't have hypothermia, but you could get hypothermia because they say 34 degrees for 15 minutes induces hypothermia, but I didn't get hypothermia. | ||
| No. | ||
| And I was at 34 degrees for 20 whatever minutes. | ||
| At five minutes, my legs are like kind of shaky a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's cold as shit. | ||
| But I was doing breathing exercises while I was doing it. | ||
| That's part of what it is. | ||
| I read a book called Breathe by James Nestor, and he's been a guest on the podcast before, and it's all about breathing exercises and deep breathing exercises and what it could do for you. | ||
| But one of the things that it definitely does is it heats your core up, right? | ||
| So if you watch the video of me doing it, I'm going like this. | ||
| I'm holding it, and I'm going... | ||
| So while I'm doing that, I'm breathing out, I'm tightening up my abs and my core, and I'm squeezing with my chest and my shoulders. | ||
| I'm breathing in. | ||
| It's like a workout. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I was keeping my body somewhat warm through these breathing exercises. | ||
| That's why I was able to sustain 20 minutes in there. | ||
| But I only did it once. | ||
| But when I did it afterwards, I tried to do it the next day. | ||
| I did three minutes the next day. | ||
| And when I hit three minutes, my vision was shaky. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I was looking at the... | ||
| I had a phone set up so I could see the timer, and my vision was shaky. | ||
| And I was like, I better get out of this. | ||
| Because if I black out in this fucking thing and die, no one's ever going to let me live that down. | ||
| Obviously, because I'll be dead. | ||
| But that was also before I had my sauna set up, which made it way easier. | ||
| Because once I... The sauna setup, I can get in that bitch for, you know, whatever minutes, and I know that sauna's right there waiting for me. | ||
| I jump out and hop in. | ||
| But one of the things that's really weird is I do a couple minutes in the ice bath, and then I get into the sauna, and the juxtaposition of sauna to ice bath, like the change in temperature is so extreme, because I'm going for 33, 34 degrees to 185 degrees. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when your body like heats up that quickly, I close my eyes and it's like I'm tripping. | ||
| It's like I'm on a drug. | ||
| It is wild. | ||
| The head rush is so crazy that sometimes it's overwhelming. | ||
| And what's weird is when you open your eyes, it kind of goes away. | ||
| Like I don't understand it. | ||
| Because I'm lying. | ||
| If I open my eyes, I'm fine. | ||
| But when I close my eyes, it's like... | ||
| It's almost overwhelming. | ||
| Like I'm dizzy. | ||
| Like I'm drunk. | ||
| Like I'm having bed spins almost with my eyes closed. | ||
| But you feel good after all of a sudden... | ||
| Oh my God, you feel amazing. | ||
| Everything feels incredible. | ||
| I wish everybody could... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's... | ||
| My whole family does it now. | ||
| Even my kids do it, yeah. | ||
| The ice bath? | ||
| Yeah, you know what I told Tony Hinchcliffe? | ||
| I give him $1,000 for every minute he stays in the ice bath. | ||
| Did he do it? | ||
| He hasn't done it yet. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| He's like, it's easier for you. | ||
| I don't have any fat. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I don't have any... | ||
| I'm not fat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fuck are you saying, bro? | ||
| I'm not fat. | ||
| He's like, I have no... | ||
| I'm nothing. | ||
| I'm skin and bones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think he could do it. | ||
| My little daughter did. | ||
| She did a fucking minute. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's 11. She called? | ||
| Freezing! | ||
| Freezing! | ||
| But it's fun. | ||
| They get a kick out of it. | ||
| They think it's fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's building resilience. | ||
| Getting your kids to do stuff. | ||
| My kids, luckily, are really into sports. | ||
| And I think sports and athletics and... | ||
| Difficult things where you have to push yourself. | ||
| And then also failing. | ||
| Like missing the shot when you wanted to do it. | ||
| Like missing, fucking up things. | ||
| And then learning that you can get better. | ||
| You work harder. | ||
| Like that's so important for kids. | ||
| And things like ice bath, even though it seems so easy. | ||
| Like it's only a minute. | ||
| How hard is a minute? | ||
| But it teaches them resilience. | ||
| Like you can endure things and when it's over, you know, I did it. | ||
| I didn't want to. | ||
| You're getting that thing for, you saw, you're 30 seconds. | ||
| You're like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah, so speaking of that, I wonder, do people go through, just avoid failing? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Altogether? | ||
| Yeah, it's terrifying for people. | ||
| Just so they don't have to deal with... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Because, I mean, like, anytime I lift, like, it's to fail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To failure. | ||
| I mean, or, you know, those... | ||
| That's a different kind of failure because it's still a success. | ||
| Because you get the reps in before failure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess I'm trying to think of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's not like I enjoy failure, but it's always... | ||
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Failure is losing. | |
| It's getting smacked. | ||
| Yeah, but there's always that... | ||
| Like bow hunting, there's a threat of failure on every hunt. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the worst would be a wounded animal, right? | ||
| That gets away and you know that that animal is wounded and may live or may suffer for a few days and then die. | ||
| The feeling of failure is so important because it sucks. | ||
| And so it makes you like no one is perfect at the thing that they like to do right away. | ||
| So you have to figure out how to get better at it. | ||
| And one of the best ways is through negative feedback. | ||
| When you have negative feedback, you're like, wow, I don't want to do that again. | ||
| And then you go back and you work harder, or you figure out what you did wrong, and it's a motivating factor that can't be denied. | ||
| It's like, people don't like the expression fat shaming. | ||
| But let me tell you something. | ||
| If someone calls you fat, Yeah. | ||
| And they're right. | ||
| Never forget it. | ||
| You feel like shit, and then it may motivate you to work hard. | ||
| Or you may just sulk and eat cake and blame the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's up to you. | ||
| But the feeling of a negative feedback, especially if it's something that you can control. | ||
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| And he can't walk and you make fun of him. | ||
| Well, you're a fucking asshole. | ||
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Right, yeah. | |
| There's nothing a guy can do about that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you see, like, if someone's doing something, if you see someone trying to do a sport and they suck at it, and then they lose, but then you see them, like, a couple of years later and they're a bad motherfucker at it, you're like, oh, that person felt the sting of loss, but they kept pushing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They kept handling it. | ||
| Oh, I like it. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I mean, you know, I even think about with Courtney DeWalter, her first 100, she had to quit. | ||
| She failed. | ||
| Yeah, she quit at mile 60, I think. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And then came now, of course, she's, you know, one of the best to ever do it. | ||
| But that failure, you make a decision right there. | ||
| It's like, I never want to do this again, so I'm never going to do it again. | ||
| Or I'm going to train so hard that it's never going to happen again. | ||
| Never going to fail again. | ||
| Never going to fail without... | ||
| I mean, you... | ||
| When you do hard things, there's always that risk of failure. | ||
| I mean, but it's, I don't know. | ||
| Well, you know, the risk of failure used to be connected to survival, like doing things and accomplishing them. | ||
| That's why your genes carried on, as opposed to the people that just waited to die and then didn't do anything. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why women are very attracted to people that are great at things, because they know It's difficult to get great at things. | ||
| They're attracted to it. | ||
| It's a genetic thing. | ||
| They're attracted to it because they want to spread the genes. | ||
| They want their genes to be connected to this person who is like this powerful individual. | ||
| And I think there's something in genes that passes on into children. | ||
| I don't think it's as simple as nurture. | ||
| I think nature has some weird factor in it, in genes, because my kids have never had it hard. | ||
| They haven't had it. | ||
| But my fucking middle daughter is a goddamn psycho. | ||
| She's a psycho. | ||
| She's so driven. | ||
| And she's not driven because she doesn't get love. | ||
| She gets a ton of love. | ||
| She's super confident and relaxed and silly. | ||
| But when I see her focus on things, She has this crazy focus, this intensity of trying to get better at things. | ||
| She does backflips in the house. | ||
| We've got to stop her. | ||
| Like, hey, stop. | ||
| It's time to eat dinner. | ||
| She's like, one more, one more. | ||
| She won't stop. | ||
| That is me. | ||
| But mine was from not getting any attention as a kid. | ||
| Yeah, but genetically, somehow. | ||
| It got in there. | ||
| But it got into her in a loving household, where she's constantly loved and she gets plenty of attention. | ||
| She doesn't have any feelings of not having value. | ||
| So hers is not like, I'm going to show everybody. | ||
| It's not like that. | ||
| Hers is like, I need to get better at this. | ||
| So it transferred some... | ||
| I'm assuming that I wouldn't have had the kind of crazy drive I had if I had a great childhood. | ||
| I'm assuming that. | ||
| I might be wrong. | ||
| Maybe it is somehow or another in the DNA from other things. | ||
| But I got to think of my own motivations when I was younger. | ||
| I always wanted to be someone special because I didn't feel special. | ||
| So I realized when I started fighting that I was good at this. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, I'm not a loser. | ||
| Here's the thing that makes me feel like a winner. | ||
| I had a 180-degree shift of how I felt about myself. | ||
| From like, oh, I'm a fucking loser, I'm a pussy, I'm scared of everybody, to oh, I'm winning tournaments. | ||
| I'm actually good at this. | ||
| And your parents had nothing to do with that. | ||
| Zero! | ||
| They never saw me fight once. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
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| That's interesting. | ||
| I mean, that's how it was for me with bowhunting. | ||
| Well, first with sports, you know, I played football and things like that, but then after that, then it was nothing, and then bowhunting. | ||
| When kids find a thing that they excel at and then they get some praise and they get positive feedback from excelling at that thing, that is so magical for them. | ||
| I feel so terrible for children that never get good at a thing, never feel that, the struggle and then reward upon success. | ||
| But also there's a fine line there because now we celebrate mediocrity. | ||
| Being mediocre right are you gonna say another word right? | ||
| That's well. | ||
| That's a problem, right? | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| We have now we have participation trophy Right, so it's like there's that fine line because they're getting positive information, but it's not warranted. | ||
| It's not warranted Yeah, that's do they know the difference? | ||
| I think some of them don't that That's why they're so angry. | ||
| And that's why also they lash out at successful people. | ||
| There's a lot of that where they don't think that that's important or they don't have that attribute. | ||
| They don't have even the possibility of it. | ||
| So they get angry at it. | ||
| This is a very confusing time for a lot of people. | ||
| And the reality of the lessons of life are that they're hard won. | ||
| They're hard won and they're difficult. | ||
| Like if someone wants to be you, if someone could like... | ||
| Get into your body and have, like, you wake up, okay, you have the mind that you had when you're fucking Harry McGillicuddy, whatever the fuck your name is, but you get to live as Cam Haynes for a day, and you have a schedule in front of you. | ||
| This is what you gotta do. | ||
| You gotta get up, like, today you gotta run 16 miles in the morning, and then you're gonna run 10 during lunch, and then you're gonna shoot your bow, and then you're gonna lift. | ||
| Yeah, they wouldn't like that. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| This is every day. | ||
| And oh, you're working all day. | ||
| You don't even get to sleep. | ||
| You have to work eight hours a day. | ||
| What? | ||
| They would do one day and they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's sleeping four hours a night? | ||
| What the fuck is this? | ||
| Then you gotta do it the next day too. | ||
| Yeah, this is nonsense. | ||
| For years. | ||
| Decades. | ||
| Decades. | ||
| Good luck, bitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's one of you, right? | ||
| Like there's one... | ||
| Bowhunter, who has a million followers on Instagram, it's you. | ||
| And how did you get that way? | ||
| You got that way because what you're doing is truly exceptional. | ||
| It's undeniable. | ||
| It's undeniably unique. | ||
| That's not in most people's gas tank. | ||
| Most people don't have the ability to push themselves to truly have a maximized life. | ||
| And They're there for us, too. | ||
| The people who fail, they're there for us. | ||
| The haters, the crabs in the bucket that are pulling people down, they're there for us. | ||
| They're all lessons for us. | ||
| The people who come up short, they're lessons for us. | ||
| The people who make excuses and who hate on other people and talk shit about people behind their back and then aren't to their face, they're there for us. | ||
| They're lessons. | ||
| That feeling that you get when you're around someone who comes up Who puts in less effort than they should, who makes excuses, and you feel that... | ||
| When you feel someone, maybe they lie about something, about the way it went, like... | ||
| Not a good feeling. | ||
| But then the feeling when you see someone who's done something truly remarkable and unique, like, wow, that's a good feeling. | ||
| That's a lesson. | ||
| There's lessons in this. | ||
| Some people don't want that lesson because with that lesson... | ||
| There's a fucking course you have to take. | ||
| Here's how you get to where this person got. | ||
| You see that person that you admire? | ||
| See these amazing accomplishments? | ||
| Okay, here's your assignment. | ||
| This is what they did. | ||
| The biggest thing for me is now I can recognize a difference. | ||
| Before, I was like the people you're talking about, the crabs in the bucket. | ||
| I was one of the crabs, right? | ||
| Most people are. | ||
| So yeah, I was talking shit. | ||
| I was minimizing what other people did and saying, well, I could do that too if I had this or that. | ||
| But So when you can switch and now you realize you can see it all, that's the biggest thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because like, oh my God. | ||
| I was that, but I can be this. | ||
| Once you get to be this, then you can see it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now, I'm just attracted to like the Goggins and like that, you know, people who are successful, who are paving a way and are making an actual difference and never pulling people down. | ||
| I'm like, no, that's okay. | ||
| That's what I want to be. | ||
| And it's just, but I never, I couldn't see it. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I don't think anybody sees it until you've reached a level of success where you're comfortable in your own skin. | ||
| And then even for brief moments. | ||
| I'm my own worst critic. | ||
| Even though I've had a lot of success in life, I don't rest on it at all. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I've got to keep going. | ||
| I know what it's like to fail. | ||
| I fucking hate that feeling. | ||
| So I'm always trying to improve. | ||
| And that's one of the beautiful things to me about learning a new thing, like learning bowhunting. | ||
| Is that I've had this unique opportunity to start at something from scratch, which I think is very valuable. | ||
| Most people don't do that. | ||
| They don't start at something from scratch because they don't have the time or they don't have the opportunity. | ||
| Especially a really difficult thing, like learning a martial art. | ||
| I admire people that are like 40 years old or a white belt. | ||
| Like, wow, look at you. | ||
| You're in there going after it. | ||
| Good luck! | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I, same thing. | ||
| I see people who, they call it, what, adult onset hunting? | ||
| Like, trying to learn hunting at, you know, in your 40s, like what you did. | ||
| It's like, oh my God. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| But it's also so valuable, dude. | ||
| I mean, the feeling that you get, the nutrition that you get, you know, I mean, I have... | ||
| I got a fucking freezer full of amazing meat. | ||
| And I cook that shit almost every day. | ||
| Almost every day I'm cooking something. | ||
| And I eat it all the time. | ||
| I make a pile of it and then I eat it all throughout the day. | ||
| I eat it in the morning when I get up. | ||
| I just put hot sauce on a plate and dip cold elk in there. | ||
| That's like most of my meals are meat. | ||
| That's all mine. | ||
| I eat like 80% meat. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I see people and they talk about how, you know, I kill more than I could eat. | ||
| And man, I don't know. | ||
| I know you eat a lot of it and you also give away a lot of it. | ||
| Well, I mean, my boys eat. | ||
| Tanner takes deer meat, elk meat up to his base up at Fort Lewis. | ||
| And I mean, we eat meat. | ||
| I mean, my family goes through some meat. | ||
| And then I like giving it away, and then we have people come over, and I give some to the guy down the street. | ||
| He was a Navy SEAL and lost an eye in his hand, and he makes up meatloaf out of my whitetail from Texas. | ||
| It's such a community staple. | ||
| As I've always said, and I think I've said it on here, is I see as hunters as providers. | ||
| That's what we're supposed to do. | ||
| So yeah, I'm going to kill, and I'm going to help the community. | ||
| I love giving meat to my friends. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love when they send me pictures. | ||
| My friends that don't hunt at all, my friend Tom Papa, he's always sending me pictures. | ||
| We trade. | ||
| He gives me baked bread. | ||
| He makes fresh baked bread, and I give him elk meat. | ||
| When I moved here, I gave him one of my commercial freezers, because I had him in my studio, so I gave him one of my freezers, gave him a bunch of elk in it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is empowering. | ||
| But then also, just speaking of bowhunting in general, I mean, when I first started, I think I was more confident than I should have been. | ||
| I think as a young man, I mean, I remember I would, like, almost intentionally want to take harder shots than I needed to. | ||
| Because, like, I would see an animal, this is what I would do. | ||
| Now I'd look about how irresponsible it was. | ||
| And like I'd have a lane through a tree. | ||
| Instead of taking a step over to the right and be like, well, this is a better shot. | ||
| I'd be like, no, I can. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| I can shoot through that gap all the time. | ||
| And I would do it. | ||
| But it's like, why? | ||
| Why was I making it harder? | ||
| Just because that was just... | ||
| Just being a young man and just being irresponsible. | ||
| Stubborn. | ||
| Stubborn. | ||
| Now I'm like so paranoid that, you know, I've had success, but you have to earn it every single time. | ||
| And if I kill one bull, say in Oregon, my first bull of the year, I'm like, well, now I'm like, at least I won't get shut out. | ||
| So instead of, I don't have the confidence now. | ||
| I put in the work. | ||
| I hope it's enough, but there's no guarantees in bow hunting. | ||
| I know how hard it is. | ||
| So before I was overconfident, now I'm like, I gotta earn it every time. | ||
| That's an accurate assessment. | ||
| You have a better map of the landscape. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| When you're young... | ||
| More data. | ||
| Yeah, when you're young, you're just a fucking dummy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was young. | ||
| I was so cocky. | ||
| I thought I could do anything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so that's how I was, even in bow hunting. | ||
| And now I'm just like, God. | ||
| Now I just train so much harder than I ever did. | ||
| When you're young, you also don't have a lot of experiences with consequences. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have a lot of negative consequences. | ||
| So you think things are always going to be great. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| That's testosterone, too. | ||
| Your body's all filled with piss and vinegar. | ||
| That's why people go to war when they're young. | ||
| That's why people do all kinds of wild things when they're young. | ||
| Because they have a different... | ||
| Perspective. | ||
| They don't send 50-year-old dudes to go to war. | ||
| They'll be like, what the fuck are we doing? | ||
| We can get shot. | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
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| Can we drop bombs on these fucking people from the sky? | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an interesting thing, the journey of life and learning what you can and can't do and learning why you couldn't do it and that maybe you could have done it if you did something differently. | ||
| I think it's important to like so where we are now when you get older I think it's we've talked about taking risks and we talked about doing hard things but those things humble you yeah you know I know fighting can humble you greatly I haven't done it like you know like what you have but bowhunting can humble you the long the big endurance races can humble you so I think that being humbled man that that makes a big impact on somebody It does, | ||
| but also success motivates you, too. | ||
| It's like not just the humbling, but the actual success, you know? | ||
| It's like watching, like we were saying, watching an arrow perfectly fly and slam into the vitals when you know it was a lethal shot, and you know that it's lethal because you fucking practiced. | ||
| You put in all that time, all that time. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| It's that sheep hunt. | ||
| I mean, I've only had two of them and two sheep tags in my life in 33. Well, I've been... | ||
| People need to know, like, wild sheep, very difficult to get a tag for. | ||
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| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Bighorn sheep. | ||
| It's basically... | ||
| In Oregon, it's once in a lifetime, so my home state. | ||
| And I've never drawn, so I've put in for, you know, decades. | ||
| Never drawn. | ||
| And once I do draw, that's it. | ||
| You get one tag of life. | ||
| Whether you kill or not, that's it. | ||
| So if you're not going to... | ||
| And basically all the states, it's very low odds of drawing a tag. | ||
| All western states, every place that has sheep. | ||
| So the first time I went with Roy up to Alaska, I paid. | ||
| And he was the guy and I did a doll sheep hunt. | ||
| That was my first one. | ||
| And then this one, same thing. | ||
| Either you draw or you pay. | ||
| So those are my two tags. | ||
| But anyway, point is, is like... | ||
| Where something like not once in a lifetime but close to it and it comes down to an arrow flying through the air and killing it, you've got to practice for that moment. | ||
| You've got to practice for that moment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when it does find its mark, it's reinforcing your... | ||
| All that effort and reinforcing all that focus and concentration and letting you know you're on the right path. | ||
| You did the right thing. | ||
| You did the right thing and here's your reward. | ||
| Now get back to work. | ||
| For that one time. | ||
| For that one time. | ||
| And then get back to work. | ||
| Yeah, the next time it's not going to have anything to do with that time. | ||
| Yeah, I had an aggravated shoulder and I took a couple months off of shooting and then I remember like the first arrow back It was like 65 yards on a target. | ||
| Perfect bullseye. | ||
| Second arrow, not perfect at all. | ||
| Miss? | ||
| Yeah, no, I hit the target, but I was off by like 10 inches. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| And then the third arrow, a little closer, I was like, oh, this is being consistent, stupid. | ||
| This is why. | ||
| This is part of it. | ||
| The first arrow was perfect. | ||
| But it's like, how many times can you do that? | ||
| You could have stopped right there. | ||
| I could have stopped right there and pretended that I didn't have to work hard. | ||
| I've heard that people will go on elk hunts and literally not practice until they get into camp. | ||
| And then they pull out their bow and they get a little Reinhardt target and they start firing a couple of arrows at them like, what are you talking about? | ||
| You haven't been practicing? | ||
| I haven't had the time! | ||
| You haven't had the time when you're out here on an elk hunt? | ||
| They don't really think they're going to kill, though. | ||
| I mean, they're pretty much going with the odds are you're not going to kill. | ||
| The odds are 10% success. | ||
| So the odds are you're not going to kill. | ||
| And so they're just like, well, I'm probably not going to kill it. | ||
| Maybe I will. | ||
| Maybe I won't. | ||
| They're not living and dying with that. | ||
| And that's being dramatic. | ||
| But their purpose isn't wrapped up in that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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| Well, a great example of how difficult bow hunting is to me has always been lanai. | ||
| Because lanai is, on paper, the easiest place to kill an animal with a bow. | ||
| 20,000 deer, 30. Oh, 30,000 deer, 3,000 people. | ||
| 3,000 people, and they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| If someone said to me, okay, I'm going to go on this hunt, what are the odds of me seeing a deer? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| There's no if, ands, or buts. | ||
| 100% you will see deer. | ||
| 100% you will get shots. | ||
| But you're probably likely not to kill a deer. | ||
| This is what's crazy. | ||
| We were there, and we had the dream team, right? | ||
| It was you, Adam Greentree, John Dudley, Remy Warren, Shane Dorian, I mean, god damn, there was a lot of killers in that camp, right? | ||
| Like, guys who were professionals, guys who were, like, expert archers, guys like Shane Dorian that have a lot of animals under their belt, so... | ||
| It was a crazy camp. | ||
| A lot of us, we did the podcast from Lanai. | ||
| We wound up killing, like, everybody got a deer. | ||
| Everybody at least got one deer. | ||
| But there was a lot of missing. | ||
| They're an animal that evolved to get away from tigers. | ||
| They're the craziest, fastest animal I've ever hunted in my life. | ||
| They're like lightning. | ||
| You can't believe how quickly they could dodge an arrow. | ||
| Well, we left. | ||
| And then when I talked to the guide, when we went back the next year, he said 150 hunters came to bow hunt. | ||
| One was successful. | ||
| One killed. | ||
| Besides us. | ||
| One besides us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The rest of them all pulled out a rifle after like five days. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| If you have a rifle, 100% you're going to kill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And it's the best meat in the world. | ||
| Like, it's right up there with elk. | ||
| A little different. | ||
| I prefer elk, but not by much. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Axis is like sweet almost. | ||
| Oh, it is amazing meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's how hard it is. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| And this is all these goddamn animals. | ||
| There's so many of them. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's not like hiking into the mountains like you have to do in Utah or in Colorado when you're trying to hunt elk. | ||
| You've got to go to elevation. | ||
| You're out there. | ||
| That's a whole other aspect. | ||
| You're competing with mountain lions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think is the hardest part of bow hunting? | ||
| The moment of execution. | ||
| That's the hardest part. | ||
| But also getting yourself prepared for the moment of execution requires so much commitment. | ||
| You have to shoot so many times. | ||
| It's hard for a person who is an archer to describe to someone who's never shot a bow all of the things that you're juggling when you're at full draw. | ||
| You have to have your anchor point perfect. | ||
| You have to have your shoulder relaxed, your hand relaxed, but you're also holding it steady. | ||
| You have to make sure that you're following through. | ||
| You're not jerking the shot. | ||
| You have to make sure that you're staying calm in the moment. | ||
| You're not being overcome by anxiety. | ||
| You have to make sure that you've practiced so much that you have 100% confidence that when you release that arrow, it's gonna go where you want it to go. | ||
| And then there's no taking it back. | ||
| Once the arrow's leaving, there's no taking it back. | ||
| Then there's your fitness. | ||
| In order to be able to hike into the mountains to get to where these things are, you can't be a fat fuck. | ||
| You can't be out of shape. | ||
| You can't have piss poor cardio. | ||
| You cannot! | ||
| You have to go to where they are. | ||
| And they're there because that's hard to get to. | ||
| They're there because there's mountain lions and there's people and there's bears and there's fucking wolves. | ||
| So they go high up and they're fit as fuck. | ||
| When you watch an elk run up the side of a hill, you're like, how the fuck am I supposed to compete with that thing? | ||
| Slow bitch-ass legs I have. | ||
| So becoming proficient is the first one and then crunch time is the second one. | ||
| Yeah, becoming proficient, but you can become proficient and not be able to deal with crunch time. | ||
| Crunch time might be harder. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| Yeah, I think crunch time's harder because there's a lot of proficient people that are proficient, but they're just not good during crunch time. | ||
| Yeah, there's great shooters that screw it up. | ||
| They screw it up after decades of hunting, too. | ||
| They're some of the best shooters in the world who mess up in crunch time. | ||
| It's like that with everything. | ||
| It's like that with comedy. | ||
| It's like that with martial arts. | ||
| Miyamoto Musashi, the great samurai who wrote that book, The Book of Five Rings, he said, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things. | ||
| And when I think of bow hunting, it's an incredibly difficult pursuit. | ||
| And it's like many incredibly difficult pursuits. | ||
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| It's like you have to have all, there's no shortcuts. | ||
| Everything has to align, including you with your mind and your spirit. | ||
| Everything has to be aligned. | ||
| I think that's the same with basically all the difficult things that I've ever done. | ||
| They all have that in common, that everything has to be aligned. | ||
| There's no half-assing. | ||
| That's, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I love the test of it. | ||
| So, you talked about becoming proficient, becoming comfortable with all those different aspects of shooting. | ||
| I mean, even when I'm shooting in my driveway, I see people chiming in about, are you going to hit your truck? | ||
| Or your dog. | ||
| But my truck is, you know, I'm shooting through a two-foot lane. | ||
| I'm not going to be two feet off. | ||
| But to somebody who doesn't know, maybe they are. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe... | ||
| You shoot through your window sometimes. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Yeah, I did at 85 yards. | ||
| But to me, it's like, if I'm going to shoot through the Raptor window at 85 yards, I mean, I've got to believe in... | ||
| To me, that's so what I hit my truck. | ||
| If I'm going to wound an animal, that's... | ||
| You can fix your truck. | ||
| I don't care about my truck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I care about that animal so it's like it's all part of that test that focus and it's um but I don't know people have the hardest time with that but I mean I don't know maybe that's one of the reasons why that Leupold uh full draw for that range finder so good yeah because when you program it right I know you haven't programmed yours but if you program it right it shows you exactly where the height of the arrow is yeah so if you're looking at a target It shows you, oh, you will hit that branch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you don't know sometimes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| An arrow, you know, it drops down over time. | ||
| That rangefinder is shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It shows you exactly where that line is. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| But also, that's a lot of detail for people because that's crunch time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So people miss a lot more than where the arrow is going to go. | ||
| Have you ever seen that guy Joel Turner's website, Shot IQ website? | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| It's really important because he explains what is going on during this moment of crunch time with your mind and how your mind just wants it to be over with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Get the arrow in the way. | ||
| And you'll go through it. | ||
| The way he describes it is you can go through it and you don't even know what happened. | ||
| Or you can go through it and have an absolute memory of every single step that happened because you keep your mind in the present moment. | ||
| And you do that through repeating a mantra and saying things to yourself while you do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know that people do that. | ||
| People shoot all the time. | ||
| They don't know how far it was. | ||
| They don't know if they lined up their peep. | ||
| They don't know if they leveled up their... | ||
| Their bow. | ||
| They just shoot. | ||
| And then they don't know what happened. | ||
| They don't know where the arrow went. | ||
| So yeah, that can happen in the blink of an eye, or it seems like a thousand miles an hour, when really it's a lot of steps to that process you need to be aware of. | ||
| This bullet I shot in California, which was absolutely the biggest bullet I ever shot in my life. | ||
| I know, huge. | ||
| I was... | ||
| So aware of every single moment of the whole process, and we called this bull in, and the bull circled around to try to get our wind, and when he was at 50 yards, he was looking right at us, but he still wasn't sure what we were because we were fully camoed. | ||
| Like, when a bull sees you and you're not moving, they don't know what the fuck you are. | ||
| They recognize movement, so if you're still, yeah. | ||
| So he was trying to figure out what we were, but he was clearly horny. | ||
| And when my buddy Cody, who's with me, the guide, when he blew the cow call and the bull stopped at 50 yards, I remember every single thing I did. | ||
| I remember watching the peep and then settling it in there with the housing, making sure it's perfect, making sure the level is just right, pulling through the shot, and then... | ||
| And watching that arrow. | ||
| And that makes up for all that time. | ||
| I mean, I enjoy archery. | ||
| I enjoy the practice. | ||
| So it's not like it's difficult work. | ||
| It's enjoyable. | ||
| But knowing that you put in all that time and during that time with for sure the biggest elk I've ever seen on the hoof. | ||
| I've never seen an elk that's that big. | ||
| And to have that arrow right behind the shoulders like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why with the pictures of it, I wanted that hole to be right there in the picture. | ||
| I want to see that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that was... | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah, that was... | ||
| And they talk about people think like basketball, baseball, fighting, things happen in slow motion is what people have termed it as. | ||
| It's like everything slows down and you're in complete control. | ||
| Whereas when you're not, when you're new, it's like you don't remember any of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it sounds like that experience right there was like slow motion. | ||
| Everything was... | ||
| You were just in control of every aspect. | ||
| And it was also great because it was only two weeks after Utah. | ||
| So I had already gone on the first hunt. | ||
| I had already had success. | ||
| I understood. | ||
| I was in the groove. | ||
| It's like hunting is a thing that I think is like many things. | ||
| It's like you have to do... | ||
| Like when I do stand-up a lot, I get loose. | ||
| And then I know what I'm doing. | ||
| I still get nervous. | ||
| I still get excited because it's important to me. | ||
| But I know what it is. | ||
| I'm super familiar with it. | ||
| When I take like 10 months off of hunting and then I go back in and hunt again, like the first arrow or so, that's one of the things that's great about lanai. | ||
| That hunt is the best hunt to warm up because you've got all these targets. | ||
| It's a tough one to warm up to. | ||
| I like spring bear. | ||
| That's a good one, too. | ||
| But it's the same sort of thing, right? | ||
| You get this opportunity to get a great animal, get that meat, but also you get the feeling of bow hunting. | ||
| And it's not just a memory, it's a very recent memory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's, you know, I was, I was thinking, well, I think a lot of things when I think about hunting, but, uh, that is one where we're in regular society. | ||
| It's like, everything's a thousand miles an hour. | ||
| We're not even paying attention to detail, barely listening to people when they talk, you know, and just, and with hunting, it's like, you have to shed all that. | ||
| And you're like, no, I got to be present in every single moment. | ||
| I've got to make all these good decisions. | ||
| I've got to be aware of the wind, of everything that's going on. | ||
| So you're hyper-focused, whereas in life, you're not focused at all a lot of times. | ||
| So I was thinking about that, too. | ||
| But then also, that brought me to another point. | ||
| Like my sheep that I just killed, it's like it's already over. | ||
| And I'm trying to think about what kind of sense that makes to me. | ||
| If it wasn't for photos, and we get judged a lot for our photos, you know, the grip and grins, so to speak. | ||
| But if it wasn't for the photos, all I have is my memory of that moment. | ||
| And that memory fades. | ||
| And I'm like, I killed that animal, one of the most iconic animals in the West. | ||
| I've only hunted them twice in my entire life. | ||
| And so that moment of killing it, butchering it, packing it out, that's over. | ||
| That was one afternoon. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| But no, I have this video and I have these photos and I have these memories that are on my phone, you know, and I can relive. | ||
| And it's like so powerful because, you know, we talked about that. | ||
| I looked at some of the Native American stuff back there, but the cave drawings and all that was kind of their memory of the hunt. | ||
| But how powerful is those memories we capture on the hunt? | ||
| Otherwise, it's just a fading memory. | ||
| And sometimes our memory changes it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But that photo and that video, the kill of you, I think two or three years ago now. | ||
| Oh, in Utah. | ||
| In Utah. | ||
| But we have that forever. | ||
| That's the elk right when you walk in. | ||
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Yeah, I saw it. | |
| The one by the flag, that's the elk. | ||
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I saw it. | |
| I'll never forget that. | ||
| No, I remember that bull, but I remember that moment, and we have that moment captured forever, but I was thinking about how important that is for hunters to have those memories and to be able to look back, because other than that, it's just that I'm going to die in on one day. | ||
| I think one of the problems that we face is that it's very difficult for us to get the way we feel about hunting to get into the minds of other people that don't hunt. | ||
| You know, they don't understand why we're so happy when the animal gets hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they don't understand how hard it is to do. | ||
| They don't understand there's so much anxiety and there's so much pressure. | ||
| And then when you keep it together and execute and you see that arrow right behind the shoulder, right into the vitals, and you know you did your job. | ||
| It's so... | ||
| Like that moment when you turned around to me and you're like, oh my god. | ||
| I'm like, oh! | ||
| Like, we did it. | ||
| That was a moment where all that hard work, all that practice, it all paid off. | ||
| But from the outside in, you're looking at that and going... | ||
| Why are they so happy? | ||
| They're so happy because this animal's dying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Why are they so happy? | ||
| I was watching a video today where this guy shot this giant mule deer. | ||
| And afterwards, him and his buddy were laughing and high-fiving, and he grabs this huge 215-plus mule deer by the antlers, and they're just giddy with excitement. | ||
| I'm like, to someone who doesn't understand hunting, you would look at that and go, oh, these guys are vicious psychopaths. | ||
| killed this animal and they're happy that it's dead. | ||
| Like that's not it. | ||
| You have to kind of be there to see how hard it is to do. | ||
| I wish everyone could experience how hard it is to get to the place where you're in a shot, to shoot, you're in a position to make a shot, to be actually competent enough with archery to execute a shot, especially a long shot. to be actually competent enough with archery to execute a A 50-yard shot, a 60-yard shot, a long shot, and then to understand what it really means. | ||
| Because it's not a killing thing. | ||
| It's a success thing and it's a nurturing thing because you're going to get food from that. | ||
| This is going to nurture your body and your family's body. | ||
| This is food. | ||
| It's the best food. | ||
| And you're a testament to that, man. | ||
| I mean, if somebody wants to look at athletic performance, look at what the fuck you do and look at what you eat. | ||
| You don't think that's related? | ||
| It's got to be related. | ||
| Your nutrition is off the charts. | ||
| You have literally, like, your diet is mostly wild game. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| It's like the most nutrient-rich meat that's available, but you gotta go get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta go get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's empowering. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just having that mindset. | ||
| But it's the mindset, too, that goes along with the fuel and then the purpose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like it's that perfect storm, but yeah. | ||
| And the diminishing thing, the people that want to diminish, they go, yeah, well, that's not available to everybody. | ||
| The whole world can't hunt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Even if they could, they wouldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the whole world can't do most things. | ||
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Right. | |
| Most people aren't going to do most things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Most people are just, they just, for whatever reason, I'm not saying they can't do better. | ||
| I'm not saying that I wish they didn't do better. | ||
| I wish they did. | ||
| But they're not. | ||
| If you just looked at reality, if you say, like, hunting's not available, it's not a way the world can survive with food and we need to all go vegan because otherwise everyone's going to be factory farming. | ||
| I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm telling you what I do. | ||
| If you want to do what I do, guess what? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely possible. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not easy. | ||
| We're not maxed out on opportunity for hunters. | ||
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No! | |
| Not even close. | ||
| I know bow hunting especially is gaining in popularity, in large part because of you and what you've talked about and these discussions like this. | ||
| And who wouldn't be attracted to that? | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| Any... | ||
| Or not any man, but many men want to know more about that lifestyle just from these discussions. | ||
| So I get that, but we're not maximized on opportunity for sure. | ||
| No, not even at all. | ||
| And you know, my first feeling of success hunting was not bow hunting, it was rifle hunting. | ||
| When Steve Rinella, I mean, first of all, how lucky am I, rather, to have Steve Rinella introduce me to hunting and you introduce me to bow hunting. | ||
| I'm very lucky. | ||
| But when he took me out on that mule deer hunt in Montana and I shot that buck and we were eating that meat over the fire that night, I remember thinking right away, I'm doing this forever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what I do. | ||
| And even if I had just done rifle hunting, I would have been doing that forever. | ||
| I would have been doing it forever. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| Well, I think that's a good place for a lot of hunters to start. | ||
| Rifle hunting is a great segue into the lifestyle. | ||
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For sure. | |
| For sure. | ||
| And then if you want to transition to bow hunting, that's fine, too. | ||
| You don't have to. | ||
| It just takes much more time to be proficient with the bow. | ||
| Much more time. | ||
| But rifle hunting is available to a lot more people, and especially folks here in Texas. | ||
| Pig hunting. | ||
| It's available all year round. | ||
| It's great meat. | ||
| It's delicious. | ||
| If you find a good butcher shop, they'll make you some great sausage. | ||
| My God, wild boar sausage is sensational. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| It's so good for you. | ||
| And you're also doing a good service because they need to get rid of some of these animals. | ||
| There's an infestation of these invasive animals. | ||
| Wild pigs are not natural to this area. | ||
| They're not rather native to this area. | ||
| they're invasive they're brought in by the Spaniards like fucking 1400 whatever the hell it was when they brought pigs over here for the first time and they're they're a great game animal yeah you can shoot them all year round people are happy if you shoot them yeah they'll let you on their property shoot them they tear up a lot of crops yeah Yeah. | ||
| You know, Mike Judge, the guy from Beavis and Butthead, he actually asked me to come kill pigs at his place. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if you want to go whitetail hunting with me, I'm coming down in December. | ||
| Right after Thanksgiving. | ||
| And they got some big bucks. | ||
| Yeah, they do have big bucks. | ||
| Yeah, Truett killed one last year. | ||
| I killed two. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| But yeah, it's free range, South Texas. | ||
| And they're delicious. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| G.K. Paloma. | ||
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I want to do some Neil guy hunting out here. | |
| That's another animal. | ||
| That's an invasive animal. | ||
| My friend Jesse Griffiths, who was the head chef at... | ||
| means that excuse me died do a restaurant which is an amazing restaurant in town that has he has a lot of wild game on the menu and he serves Neil guy on the menu and he made like Neil guy ceviche oh my god, it's sensational yeah raw Neil guy but it's like got citrus juice on it and onions and jalapenos and I It's fantastic. | ||
| That's another interesting animal that lives out here. | ||
| When I was down here last year, there was this cook in camp. | ||
| The gathering girl is her name on Instagram. | ||
| But I didn't know who she was. | ||
| We were at this little trailer, I think. | ||
| And she brought over dinner. | ||
| She had cooked. | ||
| We'd been out hunting. | ||
| And I took a bite. | ||
| I think it was duck. | ||
| And I've never even eaten duck. | ||
| I'm not like a big duck eater. | ||
| But anyway, I took a bite and I was just like, wait a second. | ||
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What? | |
| Who are you? | ||
| I mean, it was like the best meal I have ever eaten in this hunting camp in some trailer. | ||
| And she had tattoos, kind of... | ||
| I didn't know... | ||
| Find her on Instagram. | ||
| The Gathering Girl? | ||
| The Gathering Girl. | ||
| But the most amazing cook... | ||
| I just couldn't believe the food we ate there. | ||
| The thing about wild game cooks like Jesse Griffiths or Steve Rinello, who's an amazing cook himself, it's like wild game cooks, they have, there's a different feeling of connection to the animals that they're cooking because not only are these people chefs, like Jesse's an amazing chef, but he's also a hunter. | ||
| And Jesse actually runs, there she is. | ||
| She helped me skin my deer and yeah, she was awesome. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Let me see some other pictures here. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Okay, so she's mostly cooking wild game stuff, too. | ||
| She's like a five-star chef. | ||
| I didn't know this. | ||
| Oh, a five-star chef and a hunter. | ||
| See, Jesse actually has courses where he takes people out for their first time hunting. | ||
| And he takes people out. | ||
| He takes them through the whole thing. | ||
| Shooting the animal, butchering it, and then cooking it. | ||
| So he teaches them through this whole course that he runs. | ||
| And it's to get people more enthusiastic and get them to understand what hunting is like and get them to appreciate what's possible with wild game cooking. | ||
| Well, if she prepared it, I mean, it's the best meal you've ever had. | ||
| Yeah, and people are interested. | ||
| Jesse is actually on two of the episodes of Steve Rinella's show. | ||
| Meat Eater on Netflix. | ||
| One episode where they went down to South Texas and they went fishing. | ||
| And they caught a bunch of redfish and a bunch of different fish from the ocean down there. | ||
| And they cooked those up and then they hunted and they shot Neil Guy and then they cooked that. | ||
| It's an amazing episode. | ||
| But to have someone who's a really good cook that can prepare wild game in that way is really sensational. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| It made an impact on me. | ||
| So if you want to go there, let me know. | ||
| Do you cook yourself? | ||
| Usually my wife. | ||
| She cooks it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, how do you have the time? | ||
| Yeah, I usually get home. | ||
| And the thing about it, I can tell, like for whatever reason, the bulls I kill, I can always tell the Arizona, the Arizona bull is the best bull of any of the ones I kill. | ||
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Really? | |
| And she'll make a dinner and I'll come home, I'll be eating elk and I'll be like, this is Arizona, right? | ||
| And I can tell. | ||
| How can you tell? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It just tastes amazing. | ||
| I wonder what they're eating that makes them taste different. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I wonder what their diet is. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Different grasses that they're consuming or something. | ||
| I looked it up, and I knew at one time, and now I can't think of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let me think. | ||
| I don't know, but whatever it is, it's... | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You're like a wine sommelier. | ||
| Yeah, with elk. | ||
| You eat it, you sniff it. | ||
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This is Arizona. | |
| Well, I mean, the Oregon pepperoni steaks from this bull this year were incredible. | ||
| But part of that, too, is a processor that in Cottage Grove, those guys do amazing. | ||
| Cottage Grove, Oregon, they do amazing with my elk. | ||
| But the Arizona bulls just right as they come, man, so good. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing meat. | ||
| The thing about elk is most of the people that are buying elk, if you go to a restaurant and you get elk tenderloin, what's crazy is you're getting it from New Zealand. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that wild? | ||
| Yeah, not that fresh then. | ||
| Well, maybe they freeze it fresh and then ship it over here frozen. | ||
| I mean, it's not much different than if I take a steak out of my freezer. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I ate a couple pieces of liver and a couple pieces of backstrap fresh before I had to vacuum seal everything and put it in the freezer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it doesn't take much difference. | ||
| No. | ||
| Between fresh and thawed out. | ||
| We use like a lot of the, if I want to kill bear, we'll put that in the instapot. | ||
| And that, man, that instapot makes meat really good. | ||
| So slow cooker? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It says insta, but it's really like six hours. | ||
| No, but it's like high pressured. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, right. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Is it six hours? | ||
| Depends. | ||
| Do you have one? | ||
| You can cook it real slow. | ||
| Yeah, I've got one. | ||
| Yeah, all I know is whatever comes out of it is, man. | ||
| What I had in my old house that I need to get, I need to go back to California and grab it, is a sous-vide. | ||
| One of those, you know, jewel sous-vides. | ||
| So you ever do that? | ||
| No. | ||
| You seal it in a bag and you could seal it with like a marinade and like garlic and whatever you want to cook your meat with. | ||
| And then like say if you want to... | ||
| Do you know the deal behind it? | ||
| No. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Say if you want to cook like a deer steak to 130 degrees, which would be like kind of like a medium rare. | ||
| You seal this in this bag. | ||
| You put your marinade or whatever spices you want to put on the meat. | ||
| Then you put it in this water. | ||
| And you set the Joule, whatever company, there's a bunch of different sous vide companies, but the idea is it keeps the water at 130 degrees. | ||
| It never gets any hotter. | ||
| So you could cook at 130 degrees for like six hours. | ||
| I know people that have cooked things like shoulders and stuff like that on a tougher cut of meat for 24 hours. | ||
| And then they're just falling apart, probably. | ||
| And it comes out just falling apart. | ||
| But you get it to the perfect temperature. | ||
| And then they use a blowtorch. | ||
| And they sear the outside with a fucking blowtorch. | ||
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Just... | |
| Oh my god, that sounds... | ||
| It's sensational. | ||
| I bet it's great. | ||
| Or you could sear it into like a really wicked hot cast iron frying pan. | ||
| You sear the outside, then you let it rest for about 10 minutes and slice it in. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Because you know when you get a steak and it's like kind of crispy on the outside. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, most of the way I cook it was with a Traeger, but you get the same thing. | ||
| I use the thermometer inside of it, and I get it to like... | ||
| With a Traeger, I usually keep it a little lower. | ||
| I get it to like 120 degrees, but I heat it up at like 260. So I'll heat it at 260 until it reaches an internal temperature of 120, and then I sear it on the outside. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm more of a... | ||
| I eat for fuel, not for taste, so I'm like, so... | ||
| But don't you like both? | ||
| You talked about this lady's duck. | ||
| Yeah, I know, but it doesn't motivate me. | ||
| I mean, it's like any effort I'm putting out is always for a purpose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you could have both. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Fueled and taste. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love cooking. | ||
| But that reminded me too, you said Jewel, which that was an amazing podcast. | ||
| Oh, the other Jewel. | ||
| I know, God. | ||
| But that also too reminded me of somebody who came up, you know, maybe that hard upbringing, character developing, without her upbringing, and it sounded terrible, but maybe she wouldn't be Jewel. | ||
| You know, it's interesting. | ||
| There's certain podcasts that really resonate with people. | ||
| And that one podcast, I've had more friends call me and text me about that than any podcast in recent memory other than Sanjay Gupta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a big one. | ||
| For different reasons. | ||
| For different reasons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the Jewel one, so many people were motivated by her and so many people were impressed by her. | ||
| I knew she was smart because I'd seen her talk on Instagram and I'd seen the videos that she did and her and I had gone back and forth and we had chatted but not in person. | ||
| But then to see her talk in person and realize... | ||
| Not only is she smart to do a quick clip on Instagram where you get to see the way her brain works, but when you're having a conversation with her, a prolonged conversation for hours, I told her she should do a podcast when I tell it to everybody. | ||
| But I mean it when I say it, because I think it's an amazing way to be completely independent, but especially her. | ||
| You don't get to be that person without trial by fire. | ||
| She left her house when she was 15. She was homeless at 18. I know. | ||
| It's an incredible story. | ||
| And then at 20, she's a millionaire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nuts, man. | ||
| Incredible story. | ||
| And then her mom steals her 100 million bucks from her. | ||
| You could tell she didn't... | ||
| She's kind of torn with that. | ||
| I mean, nobody wants to trash her mom. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I would trash my mom. | ||
| She stole $100 million. | ||
| I'd be on here every day. | ||
| Fuck you, bitch. | ||
| I could even... | ||
| She was almost not really making excuses, but didn't want to trash her, essentially. | ||
| And I mean, I get that, too. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's... | ||
| You can say that because you're removed. | ||
| It's not your mom, but it's like from the outside perspective, it's different. | ||
| But for her, I felt bad. | ||
| Yeah, I did too. | ||
| But I mean, I think I can speak for a lot of people. | ||
| It's like she's another one of those people who you've exposed. | ||
| I mean, everybody knew her before, but exposed a different part or different layer of that person. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| Her, I just watched the documentary on Anthony Bourdain. | ||
| I mean, it's just like I just keep thinking about all these people who I wouldn't know in the same light if it wasn't for you. | ||
| And it's like, I think that's, you know, your legacy is that. | ||
| I mean, you've shared these amazing people with legions, millions, you know, that otherwise wouldn't have known them. | ||
| You know what's the weirdest part about it? | ||
| It all happens in here and it all feels like it's just me and that person. | ||
| Like right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You and I are talking, but fucking millions of people are going to see this and hear this. | ||
| That's what's weird. | ||
| Yeah, that is. | ||
| Doesn't feel like that. | ||
| Like you and I could be having this conversation. | ||
| We're going to have this conversation at dinner. | ||
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Right? | |
| We're going to go eat after this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like we always talk like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, not like completely uninterrupted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like a podcast style. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| But it's not much different. | ||
| Not much different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So to get a chance to sit down with someone like her and just talk, I mean, of course I'm aware of my job. | ||
| I know what it is, and I'm trying to, like, Massage the conversation to get the most, but with her it was so easy. | ||
| The weird thing is it just feels like me and you. | ||
| It just feels like her and I. It doesn't feel like the world is watching, which is the strangest thing about the impact of it. | ||
| It does really just feel like a normal conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, but you know as well as anybody, not everybody's good at doing that, at this. | ||
| You know, like how you're good at it and it's just second nature. | ||
| I listen to a lot of shitty podcasts because those people aren't good at it. | ||
| They like to be you, but they can't. | ||
| And it's like, it's not as easy as it sounds. | ||
| It's weird, right? | ||
| But I swear to God, whatever the fuck... | ||
| Why my personality is the way it is, it's almost like I was born for this. | ||
| I was born to do this this way. | ||
| It's not hard at all. | ||
| Sometimes it requires some effort, like I have to do research on certain different authors, some of the subjects. | ||
| I want to be able to get certain parts of their work out. | ||
| There's certain things I'd like to discuss about who they are, what they do, but it's not a hard thing. | ||
| Well, not when you're born to do it. | ||
| This is your gift. | ||
| It's like my personality was designed for this. | ||
| Because I've always, like I was telling Theo earlier, I always talk too much when I was a kid. | ||
| Everybody told me, shut the fuck up. | ||
| Like, you ask too many questions. | ||
| But I'm always like, well, how come? | ||
| Well, why is this? | ||
| Why do we have to do that? | ||
| Who says? | ||
| Who the fuck are they? | ||
| I've always been that guy. | ||
| So as podcasts develop, and then as I've developed my skill at communicating, which is definitely, I think, podcasting and conversations, having a conversation with a person is a skill. | ||
| You know some people are bad at it. | ||
| You talk to them and it's awkward. | ||
| And then some people are like, ah, I really like talking to that guy. | ||
| It's a nice little dance. | ||
| You develop it. | ||
| It's like I was meant to do this. | ||
| So why have Jewel on? | ||
| I mean, were you just interested in her story? | ||
| Well, I've always been a fan of her singing, and her voice is fucking incredible. | ||
| And then her story is wild, man. | ||
| And I also, when I realized that show Alaska, The Last Frontier... | ||
| It was her family. | ||
| It was her family. | ||
| I was like, Jewel comes from there? | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| I'm like, wow. | ||
| I was like, that's crazy. | ||
| These people are homesteaders. | ||
| They're the most robust, live off the land type of people there are. | ||
| Everything they do, the hunting and the fishing and everything off the land. | ||
| And the fact that that's where she came from, I was stunned because she's so beautiful and her voice is so incredible. | ||
| And the fact that she came out of that, like, wow! | ||
| What are the fucking odds? | ||
| And then to be... | ||
| Some people are just more impressive when they're in front of you. | ||
| She's more impressive. | ||
| Like, her mind is incredibly impressive. | ||
| Yeah, that's what struck me. | ||
| I think I texted you about how smart she was. | ||
| I was like, Jesus, this girl is amazing. | ||
| Well, she's also developing a school curriculum. | ||
| She's got a mental health program. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's committed to that. | ||
| I mean, she's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was super impressed. | ||
| She's also a real artist. | ||
| What I mean by a real artist, she's an artist that decided at the peak of her fame that she was getting too famous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So she took two years off. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That podcast fascinated me. | ||
| Well, that's not normal. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's super rare. | ||
| And to turn down that first million dollar offer. | ||
| At 20 years old! | ||
| Broke as fuck! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She turns down a million dollars. | ||
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Like, what? | |
| That's pretty insightful. | ||
| It's just super unusual. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just super unusual. | ||
| But that's also why she can make those kind of songs. | ||
| That's why she can become that person that she is. | ||
| And it's a good argument for overcoming adversity, how important it is. | ||
| Because her life was filled with nothing but adversity, just one challenge after the next. | ||
| But through it, she came out of the other end the opposite of jaded. | ||
| The worst case scenario is you get through all that and you're a hardened, jaded person. | ||
| She's the opposite of that. | ||
| She's kind and forgiving and interesting and wild. | ||
| It wasn't a great upbringing with her dad, then her mom when she was an adult, and now she's closer with her dad, it sounds like. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, she doesn't even talk to her mom after she stole $100 million. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But anyway, the point is that story, I mean, I'm just super thankful that you exposed people to... | ||
| I mean, I knew Jewel, but man, not that part of it, so... | ||
| Well, I'm super thankful that I get to have the conversations that I have with these people because it's been an amazing education for me. | ||
| I've learned so much about life through talking to all these brilliant people, all these amazing, interesting people. | ||
| I've been exposed to more different kinds of people. | ||
| Exceptional people than most people that have ever lived. | ||
| I mean, if we really stop and think about 1,700-plus podcasts with all these brilliant folks and different, too. | ||
| Like yesterday, I had Gilbert Gottfried on, who's like a legendary comedian. | ||
| I remember him, yeah. | ||
| Legendary guy. | ||
| And then the day before that, I had my friend Ari Shafir, my friend Shane Gillis and Mark Norman, and we were all drunk and smoking cigars. | ||
| It's like it's all different, and we're talking shit, it's wild. | ||
| It's like every podcast is like a different kind of experience, but I have... | ||
| More of an understanding of people because of that than I would have ever had if I just lived a regular life. | ||
| But I think also the people that listen in, they get the same thing that I got out of it. | ||
| What I'm getting out of it is not much different than what they're getting out of it. | ||
| Because you can listen to these conversations and you also get exposed to people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Neil deGrasse Tyson and Brian Cox and all these comedians and Cam Haynes and all these different human beings. | ||
| It's like you get to see all the different ways a person can think about life and live life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's important. | ||
| It's wild, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's life. | ||
| Life should be all these different kinds of experiences. | ||
| Life has so many possibilities. | ||
| And I think that's scary for people. | ||
| It's what we were talking about earlier, about people that are afraid of success. | ||
| They're afraid of the unknown. | ||
| The anxiety of not knowing how things are going to go is sometimes more overwhelming than the knowledge that you're a failure. | ||
| The knowledge that you're a failure that you went back to the pills. | ||
| Oh no, he's drinking again. | ||
| That is more comforting for some people to know that they're a failure than it is to not know if you're going to be a success. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| And if nothing else, people, because of listening in here, maybe take more chances. | ||
| That's what the world needs. | ||
| The world needs change-takers. | ||
| They need change-takers. | ||
| You need it, too. | ||
| Everybody needs it. | ||
| I need it. | ||
| We all need it. | ||
| Staying inside the harbor, man, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Get out, bitch. | ||
| Don't do anything stupid. | ||
| Don't be swimming with sharks. | ||
| See that video I posted yesterday? | ||
| Oh my god, yeah. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| That guy had no idea. | ||
| No, just out swimming in the ocean. | ||
| He's almost dead. | ||
| Those give me as much anxiety as those people that do backflips on the top of roofs. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I can't watch people get hurt and do stuff like that. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I don't like those height ones when people are like death-defying heights. | ||
| I saw that there's a big story out that Joe Rogan returns to the booth at UFC 268. That's a big story? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I don't know if it's a big story, but it was a story. | ||
| I've been doing this for 21 fucking years. | ||
| I know, but you've been gone for a while. | ||
| They've done a lot of UFCs every weekend, it seems like. | ||
| Oh yeah, the last time I did one was July, I think. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, so it's been a while. | ||
| August, September, October, November. | ||
| Yeah, four months. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's been a while. | ||
| Well, I was supposed to be at the one in September. | ||
| There was a big one in Vegas. | ||
| But I had to be elk hunting, bitch. | ||
| That was a story, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| People are mad at me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, listen, I appreciate you, but I am not going to pass up on elk hunting, especially during the rut. | ||
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No. | |
| It's a small window of time, and I'm going to be out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fact. | ||
| But you're going to be at this one. | ||
| I'm going to be at this one. | ||
| It's going to be epic. | ||
| And one of the things about calling UFC is I do it because I want to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do it because I love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's way easier for me to just kick back at home with a cold one and watch on TV. Watch fights, yeah. | ||
| Put my feet up and even being there live. | ||
| I'd like to be there live and not call it. | ||
| But honestly, it wouldn't be as good because I have a better seat. | ||
| Because not only am I live, I'm right at the cage and I have the monitors there. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So I get to see things from different angles, if my vision's blocked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the luckiest things that I am, because I'm such a fan of the sport. | ||
| So for me to not just get to be there, but to be there right at the edge of the cage with all the monitors and the headphones so I could hear everything perfectly, and to sit next to Daniel Cormier and John Anik, and to call the fights, and then the fact that I can actually, like... | ||
| Enhance it for some people and put words to the performances and express how much of a fan I am and let that enthusiasm come through. | ||
| I'm very thankful. | ||
| How much do you love in the Octagon interviews afterwards, after the fights? | ||
| Man, some of them are intense, like Rose Namajunas. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| She's emotional. | ||
| I cried watching that one when I watched it the second time. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Because there's something about her. | ||
| She's endearing. | ||
| She's not just endearing, she's so pure. | ||
| When her and her boyfriend, Pat Barry, when they're talking to each other after the fight, and he's like, you're the best! | ||
| You're the best! | ||
| She's like, I am the best! | ||
| I am the best! | ||
| And she's kind of crying. | ||
| I'm just crying. | ||
| Yeah, and when I talked to her inside the octagon when I said before the fight cuz she was standing there before the fight She was like I'm the best I'm the best yeah And then I said that you were saying this to yourself before the front she goes I am the best yeah, it's like oh The way she said it was a revelation, | ||
| but it was like it was also was so pure It was like she was laughing and smiling and enjoying it and And even when she won the title, like when she won the title and she beat Joanna Jacek, she was like, we need to be better people. | ||
| Just be nice to each other. | ||
| She really means that. | ||
| She's like this hippie assassin. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And I think the reason why when she was saying she's the best, because it feels to me like she's doubted. | ||
| She's doubted if she was the best. | ||
| And then she was like... | ||
| It was like a revelation that I am the best. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| Mixed with that doubt, or coming from the doubt, it's what made it so powerful. | ||
| And I'm telling you, her challenge this weekend is not a small one. | ||
| It's a big challenge. | ||
| I know she knocked Zhang Weili out in the first fight with that head kick, but had she not landed that kick, that woman is a fucking monster. | ||
| Zhang Weili is one of the strongest women fighters that has ever existed. | ||
| She's so powerful and so aggressive, and her physical preparation is second to none. | ||
| When you watch that lady train, you're like, holy fuck. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| She's like a woman possessed. | ||
| She chopped off all her hair for this fight, too. | ||
| She's not fucking around. | ||
| She's got a haircut like Bruce Lee. | ||
| A lot of pressure representing a country like that. | ||
| Oh my god, representing China? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, tremendous pressure. | ||
| Tremendous pressure. | ||
| And she's a hero over there. | ||
| And she took that fight hard. | ||
| She took that loss hard. | ||
| She was devastated. | ||
| But... | ||
| Right back to the drawing board. | ||
| I've been watching video footage of her training, and my God, that woman. | ||
| She prepares second to none. | ||
| There's no one who prepares hard. | ||
| It's not possible to prepare harder than her. | ||
| I mean, she's doing it intelligently. | ||
| You know, they're monitoring her sign, her VO2 max, and all that stuff, and her heart rate. | ||
| But my God, the effort and the intensity. | ||
| But so is Rose. | ||
| I saw Rose hitting and kicking pads in the hotel room. | ||
| There's some pop on those things. | ||
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Oh my god, yeah. | |
| She's so skilled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Her striking is... | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Incredible in her ability to rise to the occasion and find the mark. | ||
| Like when she landed that head kick on her, I mean think about how many times she's done that. | ||
| When she knocked out Ioana, when she landed that left hook on Ioana and then cracked her and dropped her and then put her away, like she can do that to anybody. | ||
| And she looks so innocent, just like her appearance is so polar opposite of the violence she can cause. | ||
| I know, totally unassuming and beautiful. | ||
| Shaves her fucking head. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| If you see her with her long hair, she's gorgeous. | ||
| Look at the two of them. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Intense, man. | ||
| Intense. | ||
| Intense. | ||
| And it's going to be interesting to see how Zhang Weili responds to the first fight. | ||
| You know, we have never seen her get KO'd like that. | ||
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No. | |
| And KO'd by a head kick early in the first round. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And whether she's going to be tentative now and worried about getting hit again, or whether she's just going to be ferocious because she wants to get it back and she wants to get revenge. | ||
| And to see how Rose responds to it, because listen, if you don't take Zhang Weili out like that, you're in for a war. | ||
| That fight that she had with Ioana Yun-Jacek was one of the craziest fights I've ever seen. | ||
| The back-and-forth war between Zhang Weili and Ioana Yun-Jacek was an all-time classic. | ||
| All-time classic. | ||
| Ioana's head was a mess. | ||
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Her forehead. | |
| Oh my god, it was giant. | ||
| She had a football stuffed under her skin. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's nothing like that sport. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nothing like it. | ||
| No. | ||
| It makes other things seem less entertaining, and they're less intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| But Poe Hunting's better. | ||
| Poe Hunting's better. | ||
| Well, nothing's dying usually in fighting. | ||
| Hopefully not. | ||
| Knock on what? | ||
| Don't say that, Cam. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Big card like that, Madison Square Garden, they'll fuck it up for everybody. | ||
| Nah, that'd be terrible. | ||
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God. | |
| That would be terrible. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| What is Kobe doing? | ||
| First of all, what's he wearing? | ||
| It's the overall media thing. | ||
| What's Colby wearing? | ||
| Is this today? | ||
| Look at the both of them. | ||
| They're both wearing amazing shit. | ||
| Look at... | ||
| What does Colby have? | ||
| Look at what he's got on it. | ||
| Look at what Colby's wearing. | ||
| I think it says no virgins on it, maybe, but... | ||
| It says something, the king. | ||
| Oh, is that bang energy? | ||
| Did bang pay for that? | ||
| Oh, bang might have paid for that. | ||
| Rewind that all the way to the beginning. | ||
| Give me some volume and let me hear what they're saying. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Oh, Kamaru pushed him. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I love that suit. | ||
| Look at his suit. | ||
| Leopard skin suit? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I think Kamara's worried. | ||
| Oh, he's pointing to his chin when he broke his jaw. | ||
| Is that a bang energy drink suit? | ||
| Is that really what that is? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel sad if it is. | ||
| It says virgins on it. | ||
| I think it says no virgins on the arm here. | ||
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Well, that's pretty silly as well. | |
| It's very Miami. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, so is he the king of Miami? | ||
| Is that what he's saying? | ||
|
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I think Chaos, right? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a very odd choice. | ||
| But, you know... | ||
| Hey, you gotta make your mark somehow, right? | ||
| Yeah, you gotta make your mark. | ||
| This is a wild fight. | ||
| I'm really curious to see what adjustments both guys make and whether or not Colby can figure out something different this time. | ||
| You know, because that was a very close fight. | ||
| I think going into the fifth round, if I remember correctly, it might have been two apiece. | ||
| No, it was 3-1, 3-1, opposite ways, and 2-2. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So 3-1, 3-1, opposite ways. | ||
| So one person at Colby ahead, one person at Camaro ahead, and then one person at even. | ||
| So that's as close as it gets. | ||
| It says chaos, Miami, Colby coming. | ||
| That's a terrible suit. | ||
| Oh, he's got the 5-4-1 at the bottom, though. | ||
| That's Oregon. | ||
| It says greetings, nerds and virgins. | ||
|
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Yeah, I like it. | |
| Look at his chain. | ||
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Shit. | |
| That's so ridiculous. | ||
| I'd wear that to the fight. | ||
| It's smart that people are talking about it. | ||
| The thing about him is you can get caught up in the hype and think that he's a joker and it's a lot of show business, but that motherfucker can fight. | ||
| He can fight, and his gas tank is second to none. | ||
| The only person that's right there with him is Kamaru. | ||
| I think those two guys go down as all-time greats. | ||
| And I think if it wasn't for Kamaru, if Kamaru didn't exist, Kobe would 100% be the UFC welterweight champion. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, he puts a lot on, and I could see his point about the momentum getting stopped when he kicked and they called it, Kamaru acted like a nut shot. | ||
| He's saying it was liver. | ||
| Let's see what that, I'm trying to remember that. | ||
| I'm trying to remember where it landed. | ||
| Colby's saying that that stopped his momentum, and he goes, you know how fighting is momentum, and he landed some shots, landed that big shot, and then it was stopped. | ||
| So Kamaru got a 33 second break. | ||
| Let me see what that looks like. | ||
| Let me see if we can find that because I'm trying to remember. | ||
| I literally don't remember where it actually landed. | ||
| It was right on the belt line. | ||
| I think you'll see. | ||
| But Kamaru acted like it was low so they gave him a break. | ||
| The belt line's odd, right? | ||
| Because there's parts of the belt line where you can go below, right? | ||
| You can kick the legs on the inside. | ||
| Like, you can kick the leg right here inside. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| And that's no problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And you could also kick right here, and that's no problem. | ||
| Let's see this. | ||
| I think it's right here. | ||
| Is it third or the second round? | ||
| What round was it? | ||
| It was a finger poke, too. | ||
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That was an issue. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No, he said he hit him in the left eye, and then he actually got poked in the right eye. | ||
| Hmm, I don't know about that. | ||
| We just gotta see when Camaro gets time away. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Oh, let me see that, let me see that, let me see that. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
| Hmm, I don't know about that. | ||
| That was liver. | ||
| No, no, no, that's not liver. | ||
| Liver's up here. | ||
| Liver's way high. | ||
| There's definitely not liver. | ||
| There's not a chance in hell that's liver. | ||
| It's not a nut shot, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's on the belt line. | ||
| It's not a nut shot. | ||
| It's not a nut shot. | ||
| It's a belt shot. | ||
| See, it's not liver. | ||
| Liver is right here. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Liver is like... | ||
| Well, it got a reaction out of him for some reason. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Well, he might have been thinking it was low enough for him to take a break, but it did hit a little bit. | ||
| It definitely hit where it's not supposed to, okay? | ||
| It's supposed to hit above the belt line. | ||
| So we'll watch it right here. | ||
| I'm trying to go slower so you can see, but... | ||
| Watch it right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did his shin hit the chest area? | ||
| The shin is elevated, the knee is up, and the foot is down. | ||
| So the lowest point of impact is the toes, which are hitting above the nuts. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Everything's above the nuts. | ||
| I think it hurt. | ||
| I mean, he needed a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, listen. | ||
| Clearly, everything's above the nuts. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| I mean, maybe he's got a giant dick. | ||
| He probably does. | ||
| Maybe his dick got compressed. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it looks there, to me, like it's a low blow, for sure. | ||
| It's definitely below the belt, which you're not supposed to hit. | ||
| But it's not on the nuts. | ||
| The nuts are below that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it might, there's a possibility that the toe hit the cup right where the nuts are. | ||
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He also started fighting, but the video doesn't stop. | |
| I guess in 30 seconds later, he said he's fine. | ||
| So there's a 30 second break. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He sat down though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He went over and sat down. | ||
| Let's watch this again. | ||
| Watch what happens. | ||
| Let's watch what happens when he kicks him. | ||
| Oh, they played a slow-mo too. | ||
| Give me some volume on that so I can hear what I have to say. | ||
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Stay down. | |
| Stay down. | ||
| See, the referee stopped it. | ||
|
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I forget what I said when we take a look at it. | |
| It touched. | ||
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It touched. | |
| So we have to give the clip. | ||
| It touched clear. | ||
| Stay. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| That is not seen. | ||
|
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You like the cut. | |
| It was on the belt line. | ||
|
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It was on the belt line I think. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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It was on the belt line I think. | |
| Yeah, I said then what I said now that it does not seem like it hit the cup. | ||
| It seems like it hit the belt line. | ||
| There's me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, look at Cam Haynes. | ||
| So they did give him a little bit of a break there, and Colby's got a real argument there. | ||
| Yeah, and so he thought he had the momentum there because he was hurt. | ||
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I mean, it's possible that it shoved the cup into... | |
| Yeah, you know, there's an argument that if it wasn't stopped right there for that moment, if the referee said, keep fighting, that Kobe might have gained an advantage. | ||
| Especially when they're looking at two rounds, two rounds. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| The definitive moment was in the final round when Kamaru put him away. | ||
| Kamaru slammed that right hand into his chin, dropped him, and also that Colby went into the round saying that he had a broken jaw. | ||
| Incredible that he fought a full round. | ||
| I think he said during the third round that his jaw was broken, if I remember. | ||
| It happened at the end of the third. | ||
| So, you gotta remember, the guy fought the fourth, and he fought the fifth with a fucking broken jaw, if that's true. | ||
| But then I saw him a recent video where he was being interviewed by Brett Okamoto, and he said it wasn't broken. | ||
| No, it turns out it wasn't broken. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he thought it was broken. | ||
| Yeah, he thought it was, but it wasn't. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
|
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So when the Nevada State Athletic Commission does that suspension thing, what's that based off of? | |
| Did they suspend him for a broken jaw? | ||
| Upon further examination, generally. | ||
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Like a slight fracture, I think is what it said, or hairline fracture or something like that. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, they would have to, like, look at that, boom, right hand. | ||
| So this is the most important part of the fight, because there's a war of attrition, and right now Kamaru has hurt him real bad, and Colby's just turtled up, and Kamaru stops him, and he drops him twice and then stops him. | ||
| And I know Colby's protesting, but... | ||
| You know, it's hard to say when a person should stop a fight. | ||
| But would you say, what if he could have piled on more damage when it stopped with the low blow? | ||
| Never know. | ||
| And what about the eye poke? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know about the eye poke. | ||
| Do we have that one, Jamie? | ||
| It was in the third, I think. | ||
| In the third, yeah. | ||
| He landed a couple big shots, and then it was right after the big... | ||
| Oh, you just had it. | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| Oh, let's see. | ||
| Right before that. | ||
| So watch these shots. | ||
| Oh, wait. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| I'll go a little further back. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
| Oh, head kick. | ||
| Oh, left. | ||
| Punch. | ||
| See, right there. | ||
| See, so easy. | ||
| Yeah, yep. | ||
| Wrong eye. | ||
| I don't think that was a poke. | ||
| No. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
|
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Head kick. | |
| Punch. | ||
|
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He pawed at him, maybe? | |
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think that was a... | ||
| See, so Colby had a problem with that one, too. | ||
| I think he has a real good point there with that one. | ||
| Well, I'd like to see that in slow motion. | ||
| Let it play. | ||
| Let it play, because I'm sure we show the replay. | ||
| I'm sure we show the replay. | ||
| Give me some volume on this so I can hear what I'm saying. | ||
| So watch this. | ||
| Let's take a look at it. | ||
| Oh, no, that went in the eye. | ||
| That went in the eye 100%, but it went in the other eye. | ||
| It went in the left eye. | ||
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That's the one I think he... | |
| Play it, play it. | ||
| Play it real quick. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| That one looked like it went in the right eye. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
| Let me see that again. | ||
| See that? | ||
| That went in the left eye. | ||
| He's holding the left, but then they're looking at the right. | ||
| I think a finger went in the right eye, too. | ||
| Kyle flinches at both, but from that angle, it's his pinky finger, so there's not another finger to go into his eye. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It happened very fast, though. | ||
| It's so hard to tell. | ||
| But, you know, if you're Colby and you're looking for instances, these are two of them. | ||
| You could be like, see? | ||
| Yeah, but that one looks legit as fuck. | ||
| That looks like the pinky's going right into his left eye. | ||
| But what Colby says is it's left, and then they're looking at his right. | ||
| Colby, no question about that is where you are, please. | ||
| Let me see this again. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| Yeah, it looked like it went in the left eye. | ||
| Maybe they're examining the right eye as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Play it out again. | ||
| Play it out again. | ||
| No question about that one. | ||
| Oh, see that one there, it looks like the pinky went in his right eye, too. | ||
| It looked like fingers went in his left eye, but then the pinky went in his right eye. | ||
| That sucks, man. | ||
| I really wish there was a way to make the gloves where the fingers, where you can grapple, but the fingers weren't separated like that. | ||
| What Colby's saying is both those instances, he landed big shots. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Yeah, let's see what happens. | ||
| Let's see what happens in two days. | ||
| And he's saying if it wouldn't have been for those two momentum stops, then the fifth would have been different. | ||
| Could be, or not. | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| All you have to look at is how it actually played out. | ||
| And the way it played out, Kamaru stopped him. | ||
| He dropped him, he hurt him. | ||
| That was the biggest moment of the fight, was the fifth round. | ||
| But the real argument to me is not the eye poke. | ||
| The eye poke is, that one definitely went in that left eye. | ||
| Whether or not it went in the right eye or not, I don't know. | ||
| But the real moment is that kick. | ||
| The kick is not on the cup. | ||
| It's really right here, which is not fun to get kicked right there, but it's not the same as getting kicked in the nuts. | ||
| And it seemed like, especially because the way he's kicking, the knee is up high. | ||
| So he's throwing this kick, right? | ||
| As he's throwing the kick, the knee is up high, and the foot is down low. | ||
| It didn't really hit the nuts. | ||
| That's a good argument for him. | ||
| But it is low. | ||
| So maybe he took advantage of the fact that the kick was low. | ||
| And he said, let me just take a little time off because I can. | ||
| Because he kicked me low. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it wasn't a liver shot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well... | ||
| When you see a guy get hit with a left hook to the liver, it's right here. | ||
| It's like in the ribs. | ||
| And when you get hit there, it's the craziest feeling. | ||
| When you get hit there with a good liver shot, everything just shuts down. | ||
| So that wasn't a liver shot, but it was not a cup shot either. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| It's a fucking awesome fight. | ||
| That's what I'm psyched about. | ||
| They're both in their prime. | ||
| It's a little interesting with Kamaru being aggressive there. | ||
| Because it seems like, I don't know if I'm wrong on this, but it seems like the people who are aggressive, usually it's doubt. | ||
| Well, I think for sure he wants Kobe to be emotional. | ||
| So it may not be doubt. | ||
| It might be strategy. | ||
| It might be just like he might hate him. | ||
| He might just almost not be able to stop himself. | ||
| I always think of Khabib, Conor. | ||
| Khabib was always reserve, in control, never emotional. | ||
| Conor was lashing out. | ||
| This is an amazing fight because both guys are really in their prime. | ||
| They're both juggernauts. | ||
| I don't see anybody that can fuck with them in that division right now. | ||
| Kamzat Shemaev. | ||
| Kamzat? | ||
| Kamzat. | ||
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Kamsat. | |
| Colby called him Kamsat. | ||
| Well, that's rude. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| That guy's really interesting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Really interesting. | ||
| But he's got to face stiffer competition. | ||
| You know Colby's nicknames. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Somebody asked him about Kamsat today, and he said- Called him Kamsat? | ||
| How dare that? | ||
| That guy seems scary, though. | ||
| He's scary as fuck. | ||
| Talking to Dana, picking up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Talking to him. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Talking to him. | ||
| I come to kill everyone! | ||
| I killed them all! | ||
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Insane. | |
| Yeah, he's a wild motherfucker. | ||
| He's so good, too. | ||
| He's good at everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll see when the competition ramps up. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, Li Jingliang is a tough guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's not at that level. | ||
| So, and Gerald Mearshart, tough guy, not at that level. | ||
| So, we're going to get the chance to see him. | ||
| I want to see him against a guy like a Leon Edwards. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what I'd like to see. | ||
| Oh, legit. | ||
| Yeah, and Neil Magny has asked for that fight, which is also an interesting fight. | ||
| That would be interesting as well. | ||
| I want to see him against a top-flight guy. | ||
| Neil Magny will show you what you are. | ||
| I don't want to see him fight Nate Diaz. | ||
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Sigh. | |
| I don't really want that. | ||
| The only reason why I would be interested in seeing that is because like... | ||
| Nate Diaz will find out if you're for real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nate Diaz, like with Leon, like Nate Diaz losing that fight until the fifth round and then cracking Leon and having Leon in real fucking serious trouble. | ||
| And I guess, could you see Nate choking Kamzat out? | ||
| Who the fuck knows, man? | ||
| Nate is a beast. | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| He is such a fucking warrior. | ||
| I'm more of a Nate fan. | ||
| I would hate to see, I don't know, I just want to see him win. | ||
| I like when he wins. | ||
| What I like is Nate getting paid. | ||
| You know, if Nate gets paid big for that fight, if they set up a main event somewhere, Hamzat and Nate for a title elimination fight, I think if every fight went 100 rounds, Nate would never lose. | ||
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I like how he talks about in the street you wouldn't be... | |
| He still talks about streets. | ||
| He'll still fight you in the streets. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| The only guy who's legitimately beaten Nate is Josh Thompson. | ||
| Josh Thompson legitimately stopped Nate. | ||
| I mean, obviously, so did Jorge Masvidal. | ||
| Other people have beaten him, don't get me wrong. | ||
| But I mean, like, shut it off. | ||
| And that was Josh. | ||
| Josh shot him off. | ||
| Josh head kicked him. | ||
| Josh Thompson in his prime was one of the most spectacular fighters on the planet. | ||
| Completely well balanced. | ||
| He had great wrestling, great submission, became a world champion. | ||
| He's a legit top of the food chain fighter. | ||
| And he's the only guy that ever stopped Nate Diaz. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| Crazy fight. | ||
| And, you know, Nate was in his prime, and so was Josh. | ||
| But Josh, you know, a lot of people, I mean, he's got a great podcast he does, too, with Big John McCarthy. | ||
| They have a great take on things. | ||
| Josh went through some fucking wars with Gilbert Melendez and Strikeforce. | ||
| I mean, boom! | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Nobody's beaten Nate like this. | ||
| That was the best beating that anybody ever put on Nate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Mike Beltran stopped it. | ||
| That's Josh. | ||
| Yeah, that was definitive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's probably, you know, the finest performance that anybody's had against Nate. | ||
| You know, obviously, Conor beat him by decision. | ||
| Other guys have beaten him. | ||
| You know, Rafael Dos Anjos. | ||
| There's other guys have beaten him, but no one's beaten him like that. | ||
| Yeah, no, I haven't seen that before. | ||
| That's, you know, that's the argument about Nate Diaz. | ||
| But even Nate Diaz, he wasn't out there. | ||
| He was still conscious. | ||
| I mean, if that fight kept going, he might have recovered. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Look at this, though. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, it doesn't hit much cleaner than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a crazy sport, man. | ||
| And this weekend is wild as fuck. | ||
| That Gaethje-Chandler fight. | ||
| That is going to be bombs away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is not a doubt in my mind. | ||
| And I've said this before and I've been wrong, so I'm sorry. | ||
| That's what I thought when Francis Ngannou fought Derek Lewis. | ||
| I'm like, there's not a doubt in my mind. | ||
| And that was a terrible fight. | ||
| That was a terrible fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think this is going to be that. | ||
| I don't think Gagey is capable of having a boring fight. | ||
| And I don't think Chandler is capable of having a boring fight. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, we saw that Francis and Derek, they played cautious because they were both worried about each other's power. | ||
| With good reason. | ||
| Both guys can knock you into another fucking dimension with one shot. | ||
| But so can these guys. | ||
| But I think Gagey fights with such reckless abandon and so intelligent the way he does that. | ||
| In the early days, he used to wade into the fire and take shots to give shots, but he doesn't do that anymore. | ||
| Now he sets things up more intelligently. | ||
| He's got some of the best fucking leg kicks in the business. | ||
| And he chops at your leg from the clinch. | ||
| And then Chandler also has a great wrestling pedigree. | ||
| Chandler's an excellent wrestler. | ||
| Legitimate one-punch knockout power. | ||
| Tremendous experience, both in Bellator and in the UFC. And I'm interested to see how he deals with the kind of pressure that Gaethje puts on you. | ||
| Chandler trains so hard. | ||
| Like a beast. | ||
| Like a monster. | ||
| And you've trained with him, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We trained with him in San Diego? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, that was a hard day. | ||
| We went really hard, but I watch him and he looks as in good a shape now as he's ever looked. | ||
| I think he's ramped it up even more. | ||
| Well, you know, when a guy has a spectacular UFC debut and knocks out a guy like Dan Hooker and then loses a shot at the interim belt, which is like a big opportunity. | ||
| So close to winning, too. | ||
| So close to winning the first round. | ||
| Almost had him. | ||
| Almost champion. | ||
| Almost had him. | ||
| But then that just shows you how good Oliveira is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oliveira comes back with a beautiful left hook. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
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My God. | |
| What a perfect punch. | ||
| And there's a difference between someone who throws things short and technically, where everything's like hands up high, everything is perfectly placed. | ||
| Chandler is, you know, a wild fucking bull of a man. | ||
| And he just left himself a little open in that wild, reckless attack. | ||
| After giving up his neck. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, I can't believe he got out of that. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I think we're going to see some wild shit. | ||
| And I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| Gagey and Chandler together is chaos. | ||
| Fireworks. | ||
| And that's going to start off the pay-per-view. | ||
| Can't wait. | ||
| My goodness. | ||
| Can't wait. | ||
| My goodness. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Can, let's get something to eat. | ||
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Let's do it. | |
| Let's get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Starving. | ||
| Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen of the world. | ||
| We'll see you soon. |
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