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Sept. 7, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1703 - Tom Segura
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tom segura
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unidentified
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tom segura
My man.
Hey man.
unidentified
What's up?
What's up brother?
Well, well, well.
joe rogan
Well, well, well.
unidentified
If it isn't old, Horseworm Rogan.
tom segura
I'm glad you're, I'm glad you're well man.
joe rogan
Bro, do I have to sue CNN? I know, do you?
They're making shit up.
They keep saying, I'm taking horse dewormer.
I literally got it from a doctor.
It's an American company.
They won the Nobel Prize in 2015 for use in human beings.
And CNN is saying, I'm taking horse dewormer.
They must know that that's a lie.
jamie vernon
There's a lot of people saying it.
joe rogan
Right, but a lot of people can say it.
The internet says it, who cares?
But CNN is saying it.
Jim Acosta.
jamie vernon
I meant like USA Today, a few other places.
tom segura
And they're talking about ivermectin, right?
So what, because I don't know, I just saw so much news about you.
I mean, I would talk to you and check on you and see if you're all right.
And you're like, you threw the kitchen sink at it, you said, which was stuff that, you know, you took IV drips and was it mono what?
joe rogan
Monoclonal antibodies.
tom segura
And what is monoclonal antibodies?
joe rogan
It's the shit they gave Trump.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And then, so who said, or did you already want ivermectin?
joe rogan
Well, I have this guy on, Dr. Pierre Corey, and he is, what is the organization?
He's from Frontline COVID Critical Care Workers.
He's a...
Well-established doctors, treated thousands of people with COVID, and early on in the pandemic, they found some good efficacy with Ivermectin.
Frontline 19 Critical Care Alliance.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I had him on and, you know, he had talked to me about...
He's not the only doctor that told me to take it.
Multiple doctors told me to take it.
It's supposed to have...
What is the exact thing it's supposed to do?
There's something that I highlighted.
And this is, obviously, I'm not a doctor.
It says, Ivermectin was found to be a blocker of viral replicase, R-E-P-L-I-C-A-S-E, protease, and, I don't know what this word is, human TMPRSS2, I don't know.
But what they didn't highlight is that I got better.
tom segura
Yeah, you got better quickly.
joe rogan
They tried to make it seem as if, like...
I'm doing some wacky shit that's completely ineffective.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
CNN was saying that I'm a distributor of misinformation.
Also, that was the other thing that happened in Tokyo, in Japan, which is apparently they're very conservative about the medication that they use.
And the medications that they endorse.
But the Tokyo Medical Association chairman held a live press conference recommending ivermectin to all doctors for all COVID patients.
tom segura
So what's going on with the, like the, you know, it's kind of hard to figure out what's the truth in a lot of things.
But with regard to this, people go, It's insane to take ivermectin.
You see it everywhere.
Everyone's like, this is wild.
Don't take this shit.
And then you have the head of the fucking Tokyo whatever medical commission saying, take ivermectin.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what's going on, man.
There's a lot of speculation.
One of the speculations involves the emergency use authorization for the vaccines.
That in order for there to be an emergency use authorization, there has to be no treatment.
For a disease.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
So, because there is this treatment in ivermectin, and there's other treatments too.
Right.
Because of this, there's a lot of pushback against potential treatments and pretending that they don't really work or that they're conspiracy theories.
This is the grand conspiracy, right?
The grand conspiracy is the pharmaceutical companies are all in cahoots to try to make anybody who takes this stuff look crazy.
But what's crazy is, look how better I got.
I got better pretty quick, bitch.
tom segura
Let's go to your whole experience.
So you get back from a trip, right?
And is it that night?
Do you arrive home and know?
Or on your way home, you're like, I don't feel so great.
joe rogan
Well, Saturday, here's what happened.
Friday night, we went out and got hammered.
Went out and played pool until 3.30 in the morning, had a bunch of drinks.
Had a bunch of drinks at the show.
At the show, I think I had two drinks, and then I had like four afterwards.
So we were pretty lit.
And it was 3.30 in the morning.
Exhausted, plane travel, you know, flew that day from...
I guess Fort Lauderdale was the first show, then that was Tampa, and then last show was Orlando.
That night, I was worn out.
Friday night, you know, because it's 3.30 in the morning, and I was like, oh, I gotta crash.
And then I woke up in the morning, and I was definitely hungover, but I was also just feeling a little out of it.
Just a little, just a little, just not good.
It's hard to describe.
If I had COVID, it was just like beginning stages.
But I thought it was a hangover.
tom segura
Right.
Which kind of confuses the way, how you can read it.
joe rogan
So drank a lot of water, ate, took a bunch of vitamins, went to sleep, got up for the show, felt good.
No drinks that night.
And then that night we flew back.
And so just feeling worn out.
You know, pretty normal, but worn out.
And then when I got home, I was like, man, something just feels off.
So I told my wife, you know, you should probably keep away from me.
Let me isolate.
Luckily, we have a big house.
I isolated.
And in the middle of the night, I was sweating.
You know, I would get fevers, and I just wasn't feeling good.
tom segura
And you knew it then?
joe rogan
I woke up in the morning, I knew it.
By the time in the morning, I was like, something's going on.
Let's see what it is.
It was 90-whatever percent sure it was COVID. So morning I got tested, turned out positive, and then...
tom segura
And this is Sunday?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm, Sunday.
tom segura
So Sunday you find out you're positive, and then that day you feel sick, right?
You're just in bed, relaxed, resting.
joe rogan
Yeah, that day, headache, sick, weak.
tom segura
Do you immediately...
This is why I hadn't asked you yet.
Did you have a plan in place in your head for like, if I get COVID, I would do these?
So when you find out you're positive, you start reaching out for these treatments?
joe rogan
Yeah, I already had it in place.
tom segura
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was already ready to go.
tom segura
And then you start taking them that day?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got it.
I got all the stuff that I needed.
Took it that day.
And then Monday, I felt pretty fucking good.
And I was taking vitamin IV drips every day.
High dose of vitamin C, vitamin D, and NAD as well.
tom segura
What is the NAD stuff?
Because I hear that.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
The word.
Try to say the word.
Pull it up so we can just read it because it's very complicated.
But what NAD does is essentially it lengthens your telomeres.
tom segura
Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide.
joe rogan
Yes, that's it.
So it's a coenzyme central to metabolism found in all living cells.
NAD is called a dinucleotide because it consists of two nucleotides joined through their phosphate groups.
One nucleotide contains an adenine nucleobase and the other nicotinamide.
Okay.
Anyway, I've taken that stuff in the past.
Yeah.
In IV drips.
It's super uncomfortable.
It makes your guts feel like they're getting smushed.
Like you have to do it real slow.
You do it over like two hours.
tom segura
For the drip?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Or you get really high and you can fucking blaze through it.
I hold the world record.
Not the world record.
The record that they ever had a drip hydration for someone doing it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did it in 10 minutes.
You're supposed to do it in like two hours plus.
tom segura
You did it in 10 minutes that day?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unidentified
Oh, another time.
joe rogan
This time I didn't fuck around.
tom segura
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because I was doing it in 10 minutes to see how fast I could do it.
tom segura
My concern when I spoke to you was just, will you please fucking rest?
That's what I texted you.
I was like, no hill runs, no fucking kettlebells, and don't wrestle any fucking cattle today.
Just rest.
joe rogan
I did.
tom segura
And you're like, I'm going to rest.
unidentified
I'm going to rest.
joe rogan
I rested.
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
I did.
I rested.
tom segura
I did.
joe rogan
I didn't do shit but watch TV. I actually enjoyed the first couple days because I was like, this is a nice, like a legit, solid excuse where I don't have to do anything.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
Which never comes up.
tom segura
Right.
That was like when the pandemic started back in March last year, where it was like, no, you have to cancel your dates.
unidentified
And I was like, all right, it'll be like a nice week off.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Two weeks to slow the spread.
tom segura
Yeah, let's fucking chill out.
joe rogan
Yeah, so...
But, you know, after I did this and I hit it with the NAD and the high-dose vitamin C, I think it was 10,000 milligrams of vitamin C in the IV drip, which is like very...
It's very effective.
It goes right into your bloodstream, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
After that and the monoclonal antibodies and all the other stuff...
Literally on Monday, I felt pretty fucking good.
tom segura
Yeah.
So that's pretty fast, man.
unidentified
Pretty fast.
tom segura
Yeah.
Mine, when I got COVID, I was in the hospital recovering from surgery.
Right.
And I thought it was the opioid withdrawals, of which they told me, they're like, you're going to feel like shit when you get off of these.
joe rogan
Like the flu, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
They said, you're going to get emotional and you're going to feel terrible.
And I was like, okay.
And I got off of them like on a Saturday.
I stopped taking them after like two weeks.
And then on Monday, I think it was Monday or Tuesday, I had PT and OT back to back.
And afterwards, I was like, man, I feel terrible.
What is OT? Occupational therapy.
unidentified
What's the difference?
tom segura
Above the waist is kind of the way they tell you.
P.T.'s below the waist, O.T.'s above the waist.
So they were treating my knee for P.T. and then the O.T. was like the arm and hand stuff.
I did them back to back, like in their hour each.
And I'm all fucked up.
So they're like, yeah, of course you're tired and shit.
Like, take a nap.
I slept for like three hours.
And they're like, God damn.
And I, and here's the thing, it occurred to nobody that I had COVID. The next day I'm like, I have diarrhea, my shoulders, like my traps, neck, so achy.
I was like, ugh.
And they're like, yeah, he's just fucking worn out from the therapy and getting off of the opiates and everything and And then the next day, a little better, but still shitty.
And the third day, I was like, I feel better.
And the fourth day, I was like, I feel fine.
So that was kind of like my window.
And it was the fourth day where they were like, do you want to take a COVID test?
I was like, for what?
They're like, oh, for when you felt like shit three days ago?
And I go, yeah, okay.
And so I took the COVID test.
And my favorite is that they're like, do you want same-day results?
And I go, yeah.
And they go, it's expensive.
And I go, this fucking hospital stays expensive.
What are you talking about?
This is thousands of dollars a day.
You think I don't want to spend $100 more to find out today?
So I said, yeah, let's do same-day.
And then they test it.
And at the end of the day, I go, where's my result?
And they're like, we don't know.
So the next day, I'm going home.
And it's a Saturday.
And they're taking me home.
And I was like, hey, whatever happened to my fucking COVID test?
And now I feel, like, totally fine.
And they go, uh, I don't know, I'm gonna call the lady that took the test, and I was like, what the fuck?
This is so crazy!
So, I get home, I watch a movie with my kids, and the email goes ding, and I open it, and it says positive.
That's how I found out.
joe rogan
Did you infect the kids?
tom segura
I don't know.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Yeah, we didn't test them.
joe rogan
They just never felt it?
tom segura
They were just fine.
joe rogan
Didn't bring it up?
tom segura
Never said anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, my one kid, all she got was, like, a minor headache.
And the other one, it was a little worse, but she's one of those kids that, like, when she gets sick, she wants you to know I'm sick.
tom segura
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
My one kid doesn't give a fuck.
Like, she's...
tom segura
These guys...
joe rogan
Out of the box, they're so different.
tom segura
They're so different.
joe rogan
So crazy.
tom segura
This morning, I was working out, and my older kid came in to the gym at home, naked, bent over, and goes, look at my ass!
unidentified
And I was like...
tom segura
Yeah, I see it.
unidentified
And he goes, look at it!
tom segura
And I was like, I see it.
Get the fuck out of here, man.
He's like, do you see my ass?
And I go, yeah, I see your ass, man.
They both are in that thing.
We're like, my three-year-old, he's like, last week, he goes, there's no school today.
And I go, really?
And he goes, yeah.
Teacher said no school.
I go, the teacher said no school?
It was like fucking Wednesday.
I go, really?
Should I call you?
He goes, don't do that.
I was like, he's already like lying about going to school.
unidentified
He's three.
That's hilarious!
joe rogan
Don't do that!
tom segura
Don't do that.
You know what he's been saying since he was two?
If he's eating something like ice cream, you go, can I have a bite of that?
He'll go, it's sour.
Like, he learned that sour is undesirable.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious!
tom segura
And then if he has a toy that he's playing with, and you go, can I play with that?
He goes, it's broken.
Like, you don't want to play with this.
joe rogan
Is this the one who calls you Tom?
tom segura
No, the show me, look at my ass, calls me Tom.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, hey Tom.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
tom segura
He is wild.
unidentified
That's funny.
tom segura
He's fucking that person.
This kid comes in the room with a bucket hat, knee socks, and he's like licking a lollipop.
He's like, what are you doing today, Tom?
I'm like, who the fuck are you, man?
You look like you're playing a funk band in the 70s.
joe rogan
A funk band.
tom segura
Yeah, he's just fucking so much personality, that kid, man.
joe rogan
Well, imagine growing up with two comedians from parents, you know, where everything is always just trying to get the laugh.
It's constant, you know?
tom segura
The cursing thing, you know, it is wild.
joe rogan
Is it a problem?
unidentified
Yes.
tom segura
And I've been like, we correct them all the time, but, you know, they fight all, you know.
The older one, he'll grab him by the face.
I'm like, don't hit his face.
And he's like slapping up and jumping on his head and shit.
I'm like, what are you doing, man?
And like, they were fighting the other day and I separated them.
And the older kid goes, if I see you in school together tomorrow, I'm not going to say hi to you when you're in the fucking line.
I go, hey, don't say that.
And then the little guy goes, fucking line.
There's like no hope, you know.
They just, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, once they see your special, too, they're like, this motherfucker gets paid to swear.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's telling me to swear.
He swears in front of the whole world.
This is crazy.
tom segura
Thank God we're not there yet.
It'll be a nightmare when we get there.
joe rogan
My kids have never seen me perform, but they did get to peak backstage.
Not at a giant place, though.
It was at the Improv in Irvine.
tom segura
You don't think they've snuck a peak on Netflix yet?
Because they're older kids.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're savvy.
Probably that.
Yeah, the 13 year old's probably done that.
But I mean they haven't seen it live like they haven't seen like a like an audience.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
The older ones certainly has but the young ones.
tom segura
I've been hanging out with my parents a good bit lately.
My dad.
So like a month ago I get a series of texts that are photos That is clearly somewhere on the human body, but it's so punched in, I don't know what I'm looking at.
I'm like, what is this?
And it's like three photos in a row.
I'm like, what is this?
And then he calls me, he goes, did you see what I sent you?
And I go, yeah, what is that?
He goes, that's between my scrotum and my anus.
unidentified
And I go, what the fuck, man?
tom segura
And he's like, I got an infection down there.
And I go, why are you sending me photos?
He's like, so you can see what I'm talking about.
I go, you can just say it.
joe rogan
But you don't even know what you're looking at.
tom segura
I don't know what I'm looking at.
I'm like, what is this?
unidentified
And then my mother's like, he makes me take pictures.
tom segura
And I show them to him and he goes, that's not good enough.
Take another one.
So he's like holding his legs up like a child, changing a diaper.
And my mother is snapping photos of an infection on his taint.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
tom segura
And then he's like, they had to cut something out of me.
And sew it up.
And I'm like, all right.
joe rogan
Cut something out of his taint?
tom segura
Yeah, he had an infection, he said there.
joe rogan
That bad?
tom segura
Yeah, I guess that bad.
And then I see him three weeks ago in person.
He comes to a show, and he's like, come here, let me show you something.
I'm like, all right.
And then on an iPad, like the big iPad, it's the photos, but full screen.
I'm like, your taint again?
And he's like, did I show you this?
I go, yeah, we talked about it.
You sent me these photos.
I don't want to see my dad's asshole again.
And he's like, okay.
And he's like, totally not getting how crazy it is to send me that.
And then I see him two days ago, and he goes, hey, let me show you something.
At dinner, he goes, let me show you something.
I go, is it a photo of your balls in your ass?
And he's like, yeah.
I go, we've been over this, man.
I don't want to see it.
I understand you have an infection.
joe rogan
He sends them to so many people he forgets.
tom segura
He forgets who he sent it to.
And then, like, he puts it down.
He goes, you know, a lot of the Vietnamese were so small that grenades could just blow them in half.
And I go, what are you talking about?
Because, like, in Vietnam...
joe rogan
Was your dad in Nam?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
He's like, you know, grenades usually will blow, like, a hand off somebody.
But the Vietnamese were really, like, small people.
And sometimes they'd be blown in half.
And I go, what is prompting you to tell me this?
And he's like, these are just things I think about.
What, do you want to get something to eat, buddy?
Like, that's how he transitions.
joe rogan
I'm like...
Out of nowhere.
tom segura
Out of nowhere.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
He'll tell me like a cartel torture thing.
And I'm like, what's that?
He goes, well, I have a lot of time on my hands, so I read a lot.
I'm like, all right.
joe rogan
Cartel torture?
tom segura
Anything that's fucking extreme and insane.
Yeah, he reads it out.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
And then he's like, let me get a Diet Coke.
jamie vernon
All right.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Has he always been like that?
tom segura
Yes.
He's so funny, man.
You realize you have a life study on somebody.
You've known someone decades, and you're like, I still don't fully get the guy.
He's still a bit of a mystery.
I understand him a lot, but he can't sit still, really.
joe rogan
Could you imagine being in your 20s and getting shipped off to Vietnam and seeing all the horrible shit that those guys saw?
And realizing when you get back that the war was for no reason.
That war is injustifiable.
tom segura
Yeah, it's a big thing.
And he's one of those guys, too, that went and signed up.
Signed up to go.
joe rogan
Thought he was a patriot.
tom segura
Well, he just was like, you know, yeah, he's of that old-school American, like, I'm going to, you know, fight for my country.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
Graduated college and was like, Marine Corps, here we go.
joe rogan
Well, it's such a sketchy war, too, because the whole premise for getting into it was completely made up.
You know, the Gulf of Tonkin.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
But, I mean, I think a lot of those guys, what they think about, like my dad, Because he was a lieutenant, you know, like, had a platoon of 70 men.
And, like, the thing that you see as they age, like my dad, is how much they think about the men they lost.
Like, for them, that's what I think.
It's less about countries and politics and who was...
They just think about...
joe rogan
Your tribe.
tom segura
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
One time, he told me this, like, a year ago.
And he'd never told me.
He was like, I think about those guys every day that I lost.
unidentified
I'm like, whoa.
Wow.
joe rogan
How could you not?
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fuck is going on in Afghanistan, huh?
tom segura
That is such a fucking shit show.
joe rogan
The shittiest of shit shows.
tom segura
And I feel terrible for, I mean, the people that have, like my dad, but now that enlisted or, you know, have participated in trying to maintain or do the right thing or, you know, represent their country.
All these poor Afghani people who are brutalized by this insane regime and are left alone, can't fend for themselves.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, there's a database of all the ones who helped Americans, and they have it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they're just going door to door trying to find these people that helped the Americans.
tom segura
Yeah, you know what they do a lot of times, too?
They find out, like, you helped the Americans, and they torture and kill your kids in front of you.
And that's your punishment.
Fucking crazy.
joe rogan
This is the strangest time to read the news or watch the news, too, because there's still people scrambling to try to pretend that Biden is doing a good job.
tom segura
I'll be honest with you.
I've never been more checked out of...
I've always been a news consumer pretty much my whole life.
I've paid very little attention.
I think I have almost news fatigue.
From the last previous four years, where I get some of the big headlines, you know?
You kind of just ingest them by being, like, present.
But I've stopped really consuming that day-to-day headline, American politics.
joe rogan
Good for you.
Smart.
tom segura
I don't know if it is.
I used to, like, just be a daily, you know, consumer of all the big news.
joe rogan
But it feels like that doesn't help you.
tom segura
I don't think it does, necessarily.
I mean, you feel a little bit like you're not aware of everything, like I used to be.
But, like, I couldn't tell you really much of, like, any Biden news.
I don't really know, honestly.
joe rogan
Well, apparently there was this meeting with the families, the Gold Star families, and he kept checking his watch.
And then...
tom segura
I did read, I saw the headline that somebody wrote about being at that Gold Star family meeting and bringing up his son.
There was a big criticism about it.
But I didn't read the article, I just read the headline.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Apparently he kept checking his watch.
tom segura
Like, I gotta get out of here?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Listen, the reality of that guy is he's out of it.
I don't care what anybody says.
There's something wrong.
He's either got dementia or he's slipping into it.
tom segura
You think it's that bad, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
And I don't think it could be questioned at this point.
He struggles, you know?
and and so then there were people saying that the families were not telling the truth that he that he wasn't checking his watch there was news stories that was criticizing the family supporting him but then the video got out of him checking his watch multiple times and so then they apologized but it's uh it's just such a strange time because these news organizations clearly are not just It's not just the news.
They have an agenda, and the agenda is to support the president and the party.
You know, this is real clear.
It's that, like, the other side is evil, and that this side is our only hope, and so ignore a lot of the inadequacies and the failures of this administration and concentrate entirely on, you know, like, January 6th and this and whatever other negative aspects and And now this fucking Texas abortion bill.
Like, what in the fuck is this?
How did that happen?
tom segura
I have no idea.
joe rogan
I have no idea.
I didn't even know it was up for vote.
Jamie, do you know what happened?
No?
tom segura
But that has also...
joe rogan
Six weeks?
tom segura
That's caused a huge shitstorm.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen when they show you what a six-week-old...
tom segura
I mean, it's like a bean, right?
joe rogan
It's like a grain of rice.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the tiniest thing.
tom segura
And, like, that's just, it seems like it's just a way for, like, the Republicans in the state to dig in their heels on something.
Like, we got this one.
joe rogan
That's just going to force people to vote Democratic.
tom segura
I mean, yeah.
joe rogan
It's the stupidest thing.
If that's their thought process behind it, it's the dumbest thing.
And it doesn't line up with the national laws.
You know?
It's not good, man.
It's not good.
It's not good also because it's clearly a religious-based law, right?
tom segura
It is.
I still struggle with the idea, like, why...
I mean, I get, because I was raised, you know, by Catholics and a Catholic, but like...
When you reach adulthood, why you don't feel like this should be something that women decide for themselves?
Why do so many guys think, you're not carrying it, man.
You really think that you should weigh in on what a woman does?
I don't understand that.
If that was in our body, there's no way we would let anybody who's not a guy Weigh in on this.
joe rogan
You get a free abortion with a tank of gas if guys got pregnant.
tom segura
For sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
Yeah.
There would be no question.
tom segura
And the total lack of empathy for women that are struggling, poor, in a situation where they just can't.
And they're like, well, fuck you.
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom segura
It's been seven weeks.
You're fucked.
It's like, what are you talking about, man?
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
And why do you feel so strongly about this?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I don't buy the fact that it's like, well, it's precious life to you.
You don't believe all life is precious.
People who hold that point of view, they don't hold that point of view consistently.
joe rogan
No.
They're usually pro-death penalty.
tom segura
Of course!
Like, so wait, well, that's different, because that's an adult, and this was unborn.
Okay, well, isn't it precious life still?
It's not precious anymore?
Okay.
joe rogan
Well, they're usually pro-war in many circumstances.
It's hard to say, man, because the reality of abortion is that at some point in time, it does become a human life.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's one of those things that, although I do not feel in any way, shape, or form that a man should have the ability to tell a woman what she can do with her body.
The reality of what an abortion is eventually, it's eventually a life.
So like when it's four months old or five months old, when it gets into that, like I knew a guy back in New York and his girl was showing and she got an abortion.
tom segura
I mean, but don't you think, though, that that's got to be, for most women, just a fucking horrific experience?
joe rogan
Horrific.
tom segura
Like, I'm sure it's...
I don't think it's like...
I think people who are, like, really pro-life think that somebody making the choice to have one is doing it, like, callously and without any emotion for some reason.
Like, it's always...
The narrative is that, that, well, you know, she's treating it like birth control or something.
It's like, I don't think that that's really what's, I think most of them are going through something really difficult.
And like, it's an emotional, they're probably a mess when that fucking happens.
joe rogan
For sure.
And the ones who even pretend they aren't, like I saw a girl who had a shirt on that said, I've had 21 abortions.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is like in protest of all this.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like one of those, you know, I'm defiant things.
Like, who knows if that's even true?
tom segura
By the way, 21, I mean, let's pull your punch card.
I think you've had quite a few.
joe rogan
Yeah, let's snap that.
tom segura
Let's step back a second here.
joe rogan
Let's tie them tubes.
tom segura
If you're way into double digits, just maybe stop fucking.
You've got a problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, what is that?
tom segura
21?
joe rogan
Imagine, like, the guy's like, should I pull out?
She's like, nah, I already had 21 abortions.
tom segura
There's easier ways, lady.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the birth control pill for women is a fucked up method of birth control because it does do wild shit to their body.
It's not healthy for them in any way, shape, or form.
tom segura
Fucked with their hormones.
joe rogan
I knew a guy whose daughter died from the pill.
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, she had apparently...
Look this up.
I believe there's an issue with people who smoke and also take the pill.
And I don't think it's common.
I think it's uncommon, but it did happen to this guy's daughter.
tom segura
That's terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, she died.
I believe it had something to do with blood clots.
Is that what it is?
Here it is.
Mortality in relation to oral contraceptive use in cigarettes.
Their risk is associated with both smoking and oral contraceptives, and mixing the two can be a deadly combination.
Smoking is known to restrict one's blood vessels, causing blood clots that lead to cardiovascular issues.
tom segura
That's really, really sad.
joe rogan
I think she was in her teens...
And that was the first I'd ever heard that people can actually die from smoking while they're on the pill.
And I was like, what?
But the pill's terrible for women.
It's terrible for women.
And they came up with an idea for a contraceptive for men, but apparently it's just gonna crush your testosterone levels.
tom segura
Oh, well, no one's gonna take that.
joe rogan
Some bitches will.
Some guys are like, yes, please.
tom segura
No thanks.
unidentified
I'm not taking that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, most guys.
Well, any time where you're interfering with someone's hormones in that regard, it's really bad for women, man.
It's just not good for them at all.
The other options, obviously, are IUDs and condoms and some other.
Those are way better for the woman's body.
The pill's just terrible for you because it tricks your body into being pregnant.
Your body just thinks you're the ultimate hoe.
You just...
You're pregnant all year round.
tom segura
I don't know if the doctors say that.
joe rogan
That's what the doctors say.
tom segura
You're the ultimate hoe.
joe rogan
That's what doctors say.
Yeah, they all say it.
They even wrote it.
It's in the literature.
tom segura
In med school, they're like, no, you'll have some hoes walk in your room.
And when they do, give them this pill.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're the ultimate hoe.
tom segura
So wait, we were saying, you didn't have any loss of smell taste.
joe rogan
No, none.
tom segura
Lucky, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got lucky.
Well, I mean, it didn't have a chance.
I jumped on it so quick.
I think my body was so filled up with vitamins that even though I got it, it's like the preparation was there, you know?
And that was the only time that I wasn't taking ivermectin prophylactically, which is supposed to be, according to Dr. Pierre Corey, supposed to be the best use of it.
There's a study out of Argentina, prophylaxis use of ivermectin in critical care workers.
That was where they'd given it to a bunch of doctors and nurses and they gave it to them as a preventative measure.
tom segura
And it helped?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's supposed to be the best use of it, as a preventative measure.
tom segura
So I had loss of smell, which came back, mostly.
joe rogan
They say alpha-lipoic acid, according to Huberman.
Andrew Huberman says, yeah.
jamie vernon
When I Googled it, that's the study that is, in quotes, flawed, according to nature.
tom segura
Do you know the three things that smell and somewhat taste?
joe rogan
Farts?
tom segura
They don't smell the same.
joe rogan
What do they smell like, flowers?
tom segura
No, it just doesn't smell like it used to.
They're not good.
joe rogan
So if you cut one of your own farts?
tom segura
It almost smells like a stranger's farts.
I'm like, hmm, what is that?
That's not one of mine.
Yeah, that doesn't smell the same.
Lemons, limes, and toothpaste.
joe rogan
All smell good?
tom segura
No.
All smell like farts.
Like they don't smell good.
And the toothpaste one fucked with me the hardest because at first I was brushing my teeth.
This is like a few days later, right?
And I remember I went And I was like, ugh.
And I thought it was the toothbrush, like an old toothbrush.
I was like, this must be an old toothbrush.
It smells like shit.
joe rogan
Like someone dipped it in their asshole.
tom segura
Yeah, I fucking threw that thing out.
I was like, yuck.
How long has that toothbrush been here?
I get a fresh toothbrush, toothpaste, and I'm like, oh, it must be the shitty toothpaste, because that smelled.
So I throw the toothpaste out.
I open a new toothpaste.
I put it on, like, this smells like someone's asshole, too.
Like, what's going on?
So I just, I keep switching.
joe rogan
Did you ask your wife to smell it, see if it smelled normal?
tom segura
Yeah.
She was like, it just smells like toothpaste.
It tastes like toothpaste.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
And here's the thing.
I've tried them all now.
I haven't had a friend give me all natural.
She was like, try the all natural.
joe rogan
Toms of Maine, that kind of shit?
tom segura
Yeah, all that stuff.
And I was like, smells like farts.
Like, it all smells like farts.
joe rogan
Still?
tom segura
Yeah, still.
joe rogan
Oh.
What is parosmia?
Parosmia?
Hmm.
It happens.
Smell receptors in your nose called olfactory sensor neurons don't detect odors and translate them to your brain the way they should.
Usually the smell is bad or even revolting.
For example, you smell a banana.
Instead of something fruity and pleasant, your nose may pick up a foul odor like rotting flesh.
tom segura
Yeah, that's exactly it.
joe rogan
Common after a viral infection.
tom segura
It says parasomia causes.
Does it say cures or treatments?
jamie vernon
I think...
tom segura
It says COVID-19.
jamie vernon
I think it just has to come back.
I'm not...
joe rogan
Well, according to Huberman, he said alpha lipoic acid.
But also, I've heard people have their smell and taste returned through NAD drips.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I'm going to sign up for one.
I'm going to get one.
joe rogan
I'll hook it up.
tom segura
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Thanks.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got Tony on it, too.
Tony did not get sick.
Tony was with us.
We all were together in Florida.
Lara, even though she was vaccinated, she still got it.
tom segura
She was there?
joe rogan
Yeah, she opened for us.
Laura Bites.
tom segura
Oh yeah, she's great.
joe rogan
She's great.
Hilarious.
tom segura
Great.
joe rogan
And she did a fucking fantastic job too.
tom segura
Crazy transformation too.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't it amazing?
tom segura
She looks fantastic.
joe rogan
Well, and then she did that because of COVID. She was scared of being overweight.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And now she's a fitness fanatic.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When we go out to eat, she won't touch anything with gluten, no added sugar.
She eats super healthy.
She exercises all the time.
She's super disciplined.
She's so disciplined with her writing, with her comedy, with her exercise.
tom segura
And she got sick?
Didn't get sick?
joe rogan
She got sick.
tom segura
And how did she?
joe rogan
She got a lot sicker than me.
tom segura
Is she okay?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's okay.
But she was wrecked.
tom segura
She was.
joe rogan
She was wrecked for a solid week or so.
tom segura
And Tony did not get sick?
joe rogan
Tony did not get sick, but he got close.
Did he test positive?
Nope.
He tested negative every time, but he was feeling like shit.
But then I got him the NAD drip and the high-dose vitamin C drip, and he said he felt phenomenal.
I got it to him two days in a row.
tom segura
Did they go to him for it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then, boom, he was back.
And he said he feels 100%.
tom segura
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm telling you, NAD drip and high-dose vitamin C and high-dose IV vitamins is phenomenal when you're sick because it just goes straight to your bloodstream.
And high-dose vitamin C in particular, I've been told this by multiple doctors, is just phenomenal when you're really sick.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, high-dose vitamin C, IV drip.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm a big believer in these IV drips.
tom segura
Yeah.
We already scheduled, because I have such a daunting tour schedule, have scheduled vitamin drips for the tour.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good move.
I learned about them from Chappelle.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, first time I went on tour with him, we went out that night.
He goes hard.
tom segura
He doesn't fuck around.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
David goes hard.
They like to party.
They make the most out of life.
Let's put it that way.
They're out there drinking and partying.
tom segura
Dave goes out till fucking six in the morning.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the thing is, he's up at nine with a cup of coffee and a cigarette laughing, having a good time.
But he's a giant believer in those trips, too.
And he didn't have a bad time with COVID, either.
He said the vaccine, he got vaccinated after he got COVID, and he said the vaccine hit him harder than the COVID did.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
But that's often the case when people have had COVID and then they get vaccinated.
A lot of times it's a rough ride.
tom segura
He had COVID and he got vaccinated?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I got vaccinated.
My cousin.
joe rogan
You got it after COVID and you didn't have a problem with it at all, right?
tom segura
Nothing.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so weird, man.
Just like the disease.
People vary so much.
tom segura
Yeah.
Honestly, with any virus or treatment, it varies.
Human beings, we're all made up of different genetics, chemical composition.
You just don't know who's going to hit what with what exactly.
joe rogan
You're fucking super protected.
Yeah.
Because...
There was a study that showed that if you've had a previous COVID infection, you're 6 to 13 times more protected than you are with just a Pfizer.
tom segura
Yeah, I gave up the argument.
I was arguing with my cousin, who's an ID doctor.
joe rogan
What's an ID doctor?
tom segura
Infectious disease doctor.
So this is what she treats.
She's in the hospitals every day.
When the Delta variant came out, she was like, this thing is no joke.
She's like, this is all I'm seeing.
You have to get back, especially if you're going on tour.
I was like, well, what about...
Whatever.
I was like, fine.
I'll just go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it didn't bother you.
tom segura
Yeah, it didn't bother me.
joe rogan
I'm still doing that.
I'll still huck up a little green shit here and there.
tom segura
What, a week out?
joe rogan
A week yesterday.
tom segura
It's not that long.
joe rogan
But it doesn't feel bad.
tom segura
I had a great workout today.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a great workout today.
It felt great.
That's my second workout.
I had one workout two days, three days ago, three days ago, then took yesterday off and then worked out again today.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
No problem at all.
Just feel completely normal.
tom segura
Great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And your breathing's fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, except the hocking up little.
But they're little ones.
tom segura
How crazy is you, or maybe you're immune to it now from having so much public scrutiny, but having people wish you got sicker?
Isn't that crazy to you?
joe rogan
I didn't pay attention.
tom segura
It's crazy to me.
I mean, I've had people wish harm on me and threaten me and tell me they wish I was dead and all this stuff.
joe rogan
Fun.
tom segura
Yeah, you're like, cool, man.
But it's like, when you're sick, people are like, I wish you were more sick.
joe rogan
Well, the good news is I was only sick for a day.
That's true.
tom segura
It's just wild that there's people They're like, I wish you were more sick.
I wish you were in the hospital right now.
joe rogan
Because I wasn't scared during the entire pandemic, what they would like is that when I did get sick, that I was really sick.
And you learned your lesson.
And instead, it's the worst case scenario for them.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
I bounced back about as quick as you fucking can.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're haters.
But that's their life.
You gotta live like that.
Imagine spending any time whatsoever wishing that a person felt bad.
It's the dumbest fucking thing you could ever spend your energy on.
And it doesn't work.
It doesn't make people feel worse.
tom segura
God, I wish so hard.
So crazy.
joe rogan
You know, I'd heard that that was going on, but I didn't pay attention to it.
It's like, you know, they're weak bitches.
Stay salty.
tom segura
Yeah.
We're doing alright.
joe rogan
Everything's fine.
I'm doing pretty good.
But meanwhile, I don't have a bad message.
My message is be healthy.
And obviously there's some merit to that.
And merit to being consistently healthy.
Here's a message.
The thing that fucked me is drinking.
I think that really fucked me.
I bet if I went home early, went to the hotel early Friday night and got sleep like I normally do, I bet it would have never got me.
tom segura
You think so?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was hammered.
We're out playing pool till...
Like I said, 3.30 in the morning.
You know I love playing pool, so I'll play pool until I'm fucking exhausted.
tom segura
Oh my god.
I went on a trip with you once.
Dude.
It was like, stand up to pool to the whole next day.
You were like, I didn't go to bed.
You got back at like 9am and then we went out to breakfast.
I was like, what are you talking about?
You're fine.
I was like, no way, dude.
joe rogan
Well, you know, that message is not a good message.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
The up all night message and the drinking message is, yeah, my messages don't do that.
And it's stupid, and I haven't had a drink since then.
tom segura
I crave sleep now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And I value it more than I ever have in my life.
joe rogan
So good for you.
tom segura
Oh my God.
joe rogan
So important.
tom segura
I mean, I just like, I can, I so sense the, like, for me, everyone's kind of minimum is different, I think.
If I get less than six hours, it's a less than optimum amount for me.
Something is a little off that day.
Can't exercise as well.
I don't think as well.
My guts are affected by it.
Everything feels a little...
If it's less than five, it's that much worse.
And if I get seven or more, I'm ready for the Olympic trials.
I feel so fucking good.
I feel mentally sharp.
I can have a tough workout.
I just feel great.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's important.
It's one of the most important things.
The problem is, you know, I'm indulgent.
And so when I'm having fun, it's hard to stop the fun.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
But that was a lesson.
And also, to be honest, I think I was drinking too much anyway.
There was way too many podcasts where I was having drinks.
It was just like I was looking forward to October.
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Looking forward to Sober October.
tom segura
Are you doing it?
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to be sober this October.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
But I might even do it all through September, too.
I just, um...
tom segura
Oh, my goodness.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's, um...
I was drinking too much.
And, you know, like, nothing compared to Bert.
Like, what fucking Bert does, you know?
But for me, it was...
tom segura
I wonder if he'll do it this year.
joe rogan
Good question.
I mean, he's got so much on tour.
I think the only way Bert really wants to do it is if we have some sort of activity.
tom segura
He has to have some fun doing it.
Not just, hey man, be sober for the month.
joe rogan
Right.
And activity and also, like the best ones were like the yoga challenge.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
And the fitness one got crazy because it was just too competitive and then it just eats your whole life.
tom segura
That was too much.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was too crazy.
tom segura
There should be...
You know what?
The yoga one was perfect because, I mean, you go...
I know you practice pretty regularly, but I think for the rest of us, it was like a new thing, and it was challenging to get the 15 in, but not to ruin your fucking life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it wasn't crazy.
tom segura
And that was fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I would do that again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe that's the move.
Because I want to get back into yoga.
I haven't really been doing it.
tom segura
I'd do yoga again for October.
Let's do it.
Let's get Bernie and Ari to do it too.
But he gets real upset about it.
He's like, October is a stupid month to do it.
joe rogan
It's baseball season.
unidentified
It's the best time for New York City!
joe rogan
It's the best time to be drunk!
tom segura
You go to Yankees games and you can find...
joe rogan
I saw Ari like screaming and yelling on Instagram about comedians who do game shows.
He was screaming and yelling about comedians who have already made it and why...
The fuck is wrong with you?
tom segura
I think I know who he's talking to.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
tom segura
That's hilarious.
When he gets fired up, he's got to let it run.
joe rogan
He's not taught—well, is he talking to Bert?
Because Bert's—it's not really a game show, right?
Is it a show?
tom segura
It's a competition.
It's a competition show.
It's a show.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of people on it.
unidentified
There are.
joe rogan
It's a lot of fun.
tom segura
Yeah, he's the host.
joe rogan
I think it had to do—it was another comic.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
There was another—remember?
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's just, you know, Ari is very rigid in his idea.
tom segura
He does stick to his ideals about how to conduct oneself.
They don't line up with everybody else's, but he sticks to it.
His rants can be very funny, though.
joe rogan
Well, he gets very angry.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's funny to watch someone get that angry.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if he'd be interested in doing Sober October.
tom segura
You'll do it?
You'll do yoga again?
I'll do yoga for the month.
joe rogan
I'm 100% down for that.
I think that would be good for me.
I think I need to do that.
Mostly I've been doing a lot of cardio, getting ready for elk hunting season.
That's mostly what I've been doing.
Cardio.
tom segura
You look leaner.
joe rogan
You look thinned out.
Well, that was a good thing about the COVID. I lost a little weight.
tom segura
Hey.
Eh, find the positive in anything.
joe rogan
I was planning on getting down into the 90s.
I wanted to get down to like 190, ideally like 193, 192, and I'm 195 now.
tom segura
Okay, well, if you'll do it, I'll do it.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
tom segura
Let's call the boys and see if they'll do it, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nothing crazy.
Just do 15. But the thing is, we're all in other places, too.
tom segura
Yeah, but on the road, that's a fun thing to, hey, find a place we can go today.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And it gives you something to aim for, and it's a healthy, positive thing.
joe rogan
But what is yoga like during the...
Well, Ari hasn't had COVID. Did Burt get COVID? He didn't get COVID. Burt didn't get COVID, no.
Did he get vaccinated?
tom segura
He did.
He had to get vaccinated.
joe rogan
For his movie?
tom segura
For his movie, yeah.
joe rogan
Which one did he get?
tom segura
I don't remember.
He got vaccinated almost as early as you can, I think.
joe rogan
The thing about that is that shit wears off.
They're already saying that people should get a booster.
tom segura
Yeah, the booster's already...
joe rogan
The problem is there's no real studies on the booster.
So if you had one shot and then the second shot was rough, what's the third shot going to be like?
tom segura
If you had a rough experience, I can't speak to that, but that's probably scary to fucking go back.
joe rogan
Did Burke get a rough experience?
tom segura
I don't think he did.
joe rogan
He's probably drunk.
We hammered the whole time.
Did they tell you to not drink?
I know the Russian vaccine, they were saying that you couldn't drink after the Russian vaccine.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was like a big thing.
The Russians were like, what the fuck are you talking about?
tom segura
Yeah, his was like, you know, I think the studios makes you do it for these huge productions.
joe rogan
He's in a giant movie.
tom segura
Yeah, huge budget.
They're not going to be like, well, just see what happens.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't just get sick.
tom segura
And they have, like, crazy protocols on these sets, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, I can imagine.
tom segura
I think you get tested walking in and walking out.
joe rogan
Do you have to isolate?
tom segura
I don't know if you have to...
Probably when you get to a set, yes.
unidentified
I would imagine.
tom segura
On a big production, you get to a set, like, you arrive...
Because I booked a movie.
I got offered a movie, I should say, that I would have been shooting instead of breaking my body.
And the reason that I turned it down was how long they wanted me to do for the movie.
joe rogan
How long do they want you to isolate?
tom segura
So they're like, this is how it happened.
I get offered the movie in October of last year.
And they go, you're going to, it's let's say 12 to 15 days, like a pretty decent sized part in this movie.
So I go, okay.
And it starts shooting, let's say, you know, December 1st.
I go, all right.
They go, well, they need you a few days before, a week before.
And that you'll shoot for most of the month of December.
And it lined up to be about three to four weeks.
So I was like, all right.
And I go, well, it looks like you have to be there during Thanksgiving.
So I'm like, okay.
So I basically, I tell Christina, well, what I'll do is I'm going to rent a house and we'll all go there.
And you spend a couple weeks there and then go back and I'll just finish my last couple weeks.
We get closer to the production date, and they go, hey, they're gonna need you now for five weeks.
And I go, what for?
And they go, well, they're extending how long you have to quarantine before you start production.
So I was like, I thought about it, and I was like, okay, I'll do it.
Now we're closer to production, and I get a call, they need you for six weeks.
And I go, why six weeks now?
And they go, well, if they have to shut down production, They need to know that they'll have you in case, you know, to shoot more.
So now this, what was once a three-week gig is a six-week gig.
And I still go, all right, but that's it.
And then the day, this is like two weeks before we shoot, the day they go, you're going to talk to the director today?
My agent calls, just so you know, they need you for seven weeks.
And I go, tell them I'm not doing it.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
I go, I'm not doing it, man.
Like, you just turned a three-week gig into, like, two months.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I go, I'm not committing to that.
And that's how I turned it down.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
It was way too long, because they needed, like, they wanted you to quarantine initially, like, seven to ten days, and it was 14 days, and they wanted, like, a...
Three-week window on the back that you stay there for in case somebody else...
joe rogan
The difference between you and a regular actor, they don't understand.
You make your money podcasting and stand-up.
There's a big difference.
For a regular actor, they're happy to get a gig, and they go, well, okay, this is just more time that I'm doing this gig.
For you, it's like, do you know how much money I'm going to lose?
tom segura
It is.
And I have to say, I enjoy features, and I like it.
It's an enjoyable thing.
And I like that there's like...
A beginning and end date.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
I enjoy that.
But, yeah, two months to do that?
Unless it's the fucking project that I'm dying to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, I burnt out acting, doing a sitcom.
tom segura
Yeah, sitcoms are different, though.
joe rogan
It was a lot of fun.
It was great.
I'm super happy that I got it, and I was very lucky, very fortunate to get it.
As far as sitcoms go, news radio is literally one of the greatest experiences a person could ever have.
It was amazing.
tom segura
Amazing, but I would never do it again.
There's times in your life where it makes more sense.
Me going to do a sitcom right now would be insane.
I had a fucking agent call me.
He was like, Hey, you got an offer to do this thing.
I was like, when does it start shooting?
And he was like, I don't know, like two weeks ago or something, you know?
And I was like, I'm on a theater arena tour.
And he was like, can you move it?
I was like, no.
joe rogan
Do you understand how this works?
Do you understand what arenas are?
tom segura
Yeah, he was like, oh.
He was like, it's a good part.
I go, I don't give a fuck if it's with Martin Scorsese.
joe rogan
I'm not moving this shit.
Do they understand how much you make in arenas?
tom segura
No.
I think the theatrical agents sometimes don't.
joe rogan
No.
They probably have no idea.
I got offered a show where they throw you into space.
They wanted to do a reality show where they shoot me into space.
tom segura
That'd be a good show.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
tom segura
I'd watch that show.
unidentified
I would definitely watch that show.
tom segura
I'd get the kids for that one.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That would be the most heinous way to die.
Because it's basically a really high plane flight.
Like, let's stop calling it space.
tom segura
Especially with the shuttle, they're like, oh, we're losing pressure.
And you're like, oh, my head's going to explode in this thing?
joe rogan
Oh, you're just going to burn alive.
tom segura
In like 15 seconds?
joe rogan
Yeah, we lost a few tiles coming in.
tom segura
Oh, my God.
Yeah, that would be a gnarly way to go.
joe rogan
But Bezos did it.
Branson did it.
So those billionaire characters did it.
So it's got to be like...
tom segura
Elon's definitely going to do it, right?
He's got a whole space program.
unidentified
I doubt it.
joe rogan
He's probably going to make a clone.
I'll put my clone up there.
Yeah, why would he?
tom segura
I don't know.
unidentified
Why the fuck would he?
joe rogan
If I was him, I wouldn't do that.
tom segura
But he's making the rockets.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Good idea.
Make the rockets.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why the fuck would he go?
tom segura
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Would you take...
If it had a bunch of runs where they'd been doing it for...
joe rogan
Like an airplane.
tom segura
Yeah, a couple of years.
I'm saying if they'd been doing it a bunch, you'd do it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'd bring Eddie Bravo.
I'd go, look at the curve.
tom segura
He'd be like, that's bullshit.
unidentified
Look at the curve.
joe rogan
Look at the curve.
tom segura
I asked him one time about, I haven't seen him in a while, about, what do you think of the photos and video?
He's like, what's all, doctored.
I'm like, every single one?
All photos and videos?
He was like, yes.
joe rogan
It's a concerted effort.
tom segura
That's quite a team.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I never know if he's fucking around or serious.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard to tell.
I think it's a little bit of both.
But it's, um, all bullshit aside, I would do it if it was down, if they had it down.
Because I think it would be an amazing...
tom segura
Who wants to go on the first run?
joe rogan
I want to be up there in space space, though, where you could see the stars.
You know?
I don't want to go on a high plane flight that might kill me.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Because it seems like that's what these things really are.
They're like a high plane flight that might kill you.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
I mean, is that really space?
tom segura
I don't know.
joe rogan
Because people are arguing that it's not, right?
tom segura
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
They're arguing that Jeff Bezos never really went into space and that Richard Branson never really went into space.
tom segura
So they just barely left the atmosphere kind of thing?
joe rogan
Well, what is space?
Like, how many feet do you have to be up?
Like, a flight is like between 30 and 40-something thousand feet, right?
tom segura
Like a commercial flight?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Usually 35,000 is like the most typical.
joe rogan
So what's space?
How high do you have to get up?
tom segura
That's a good question.
I mean, I assume they're just leaving the atmosphere, right?
joe rogan
So what is a mile?
A mile is like 5,000 feet?
tom segura
Is that what it is?
I think 5,300 or something like that.
joe rogan
All right.
So when you're up there on a regular commercial flight, you're like six-ish miles somewhere, five miles, six miles, seven miles.
How many miles is space?
tom segura
That's a good question.
joe rogan
Is it 50?
tom segura
How far is it?
50?
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
50?
jamie vernon
According to the U.S. military, the FAA, and NASA, 50 miles is where the line is, but 62 miles is the legit line, the thermosphere.
tom segura
That's way fucking further, man.
Way further.
joe rogan
60 miles.
62 miles.
tom segura
Goddamn.
I didn't realize it was that much further.
joe rogan
Okay, so here we go.
So...
tom segura
See, let's look at that commercial plane.
jamie vernon
This Carmen line is the 50-mile line.
That's where, like, satellites, I guess, are.
joe rogan
Look at that little bullshit-ass ozone layer.
Like where the regular flights go.
tom segura
The troposphere?
That's where we fly.
joe rogan
The thermosphere and the exosphere.
Oh.
tom segura
That's way the fuck up there.
joe rogan
That's where I'd want to be, though.
I mean, I want to...
tom segura
So where did he go?
Where did Bezos and them go?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
tom segura
Do you know how far...
jamie vernon
That's not what these pictures said, but...
joe rogan
I want to say they were...
tom segura
Yeah, let's find out how far...
joe rogan
The Karman line, huh?
That's the line of space?
Is that where the satellites are?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean, they can't all be on that same line.
joe rogan
Alright, let's guess.
How many feet do you think Bezos went up?
tom segura
Well, we know that he didn't go to that extreme level, right?
So I'm going to guess that he went...
If you pull up the chart...
joe rogan
75,000 feet?
tom segura
The chart of the different lines.
I'm going to guess it was the...
I'm trying to think what the line was here.
joe rogan
How many feet do you think you went?
tom segura
I'll go with...
Yeah, 90,000 feet.
Whoa!
I was going to go like 75. I'm guessing three times as high as we normally fly.
joe rogan
What do you think you went, Jeremy?
Take a guess.
jamie vernon
I get it.
It's too late.
I've already seen that.
It's supposed to have gone higher.
I don't have the number right now, though.
I know that Bezos was supposed to have gone higher.
I don't even know if he made the flight yet, though.
joe rogan
I thought Bezos already did.
tom segura
Yeah, he already did.
joe rogan
Yeah, because Omega sponsored her.
They were all wearing those Speedmaster watches.
jamie vernon
That's what I thought.
tom segura
Yeah, he had the fucking cowboy hat on.
joe rogan
Yeah, the cowboy hat.
That was a little asshole.
tom segura
He was like, that was really fun.
joe rogan
The cowboy hat was a little ridiculous.
tom segura
It was.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
tom segura
He had child-like excitement, which I get.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he's retired.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know.
tom segura
He's just chilling.
joe rogan
Fucking balling out of control with $180 billion in the bank.
unidentified
Balling.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
All right.
They have a tweet from their account that says, only 4% of the world recognizes a lower limit of 80 kilometers or 50 miles to be getting a new space.
And then the new Shepard?
That's not the device they were in, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom segura
Blue Origin's his company.
jamie vernon
But they said whatever that is, which I think that's the actual device or ship they're in, the Shepard.
joe rogan
So what is 80 kilometers?
Is it like 42 miles?
jamie vernon
It's pretty close to 50 miles, I'm pretty sure.
tom segura
Close to 50, yeah.
jamie vernon
So that goes above that, but I don't think that's where they went.
joe rogan
That's a lot further than we thought then, huh?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
So who went higher, him or Branson?
tom segura
Is Galactic, that's Virgin.
jamie vernon
See, this says that they've gone above it three times.
I don't think they went on that flight, but this, even Blue Virgin says they've gone above that distance three times.
tom segura
I love that they know that they have an escape system.
unidentified
What the fuck's involved with that?
tom segura
Is that like a normal flight attendant?
Like, you see this exit right here?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You see, if some problem happens, just pull this and push the door out.
And you'll float right out.
joe rogan
In the escape system, I bet it's like some super insulated pod.
tom segura
There's no way he went up there without a solid one.
unidentified
I could imagine.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, Jesus Christ.
Yeah, but then also it's like, what if you black out?
What if it loses pressure?
What if this?
What if we get hit by a little micro-asteroid?
jamie vernon
They went 66 miles up, it says.
Woo!
Suborbital flight.
joe rogan
Suborbital?
jamie vernon
That's what the headline said.
joe rogan
What does Branson say?
What did he do?
tom segura
You think Bezos brought children from some factory and he's like, if something goes wrong here, you'll die, but you'll save me.
You just pull on this.
And they're like, okay.
joe rogan
I don't think you did.
unidentified
They have the worst fucking warehouse reputation of any company.
joe rogan
It's brutal.
tom segura
It's scary, man.
jamie vernon
They run.
joe rogan
They have a timer.
If you order some toothpaste from Amazon, someone has a little iPad.
They have to run.
jamie vernon
According to Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Branson did not reach space because they only went 86 kilometers.
tom segura
You have to go 100. And did Bezos hit?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
So both of them didn't make it.
jamie vernon
It almost depends on who you're asking for the answer because everyone's going to give a different answer.
But yeah, the assumed line of space, according to this, then says it's 100 kilometers higher than Earth's surface.
joe rogan
Neil deGrasse is a bit of a party pooper.
tom segura
He shit on that party for sure.
joe rogan
Shit all over that party?
tom segura
No, you didn't.
jamie vernon
You didn't get invited on the ship.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Oh, that's why, right?
He's probably a little better.
jamie vernon
He can't fucking go.
He's going to be the first one there.
joe rogan
That's probably why.
Oh, so he'll go to the real space, space, space.
tom segura
But who's going to take him?
joe rogan
Maybe Elon?
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
Is he tight with Elon?
jamie vernon
Whoever wants that stamp.
tom segura
If I had a rocket, I would definitely invite Neil deGrasse on that trip.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
tom segura
And just have him teach me stuff the whole way.
Look at that over there.
And I'm like, oh no, it's like having a fucking professor with you.
joe rogan
Yeah, who else would you bring?
If you had like a dream team.
unidentified
I gotta bring Bert.
tom segura
Tito's and soda the whole time.
joe rogan
We're just fucking pouring drinks while we're in space.
tom segura
Guys, can you fucking believe we're up?
We know we're up here.
unidentified
Shut up.
joe rogan
Guys, we're in space.
Look what happened.
unidentified
I poured the vodka.
joe rogan
It doesn't even come out.
I got to throw it.
I got to throw it at the glass.
jamie vernon
There's a little controversy on the Branson flight apparently right now.
They were supposed to fly recently and the FAA has halted it because the first one on July 11th went off course according to the New Yorker magazine.
They're trying to find out how far off course it went.
joe rogan
Oh, of course.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
So it went up, but maybe not the direction it was supposed to go.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Look how flimsy that rocket looks.
I mean, those little things stuck on the side looks like they would snap right off.
What the fuck are those things?
tom segura
In the photo, that doesn't look...
joe rogan
That looks super non-confidence building.
tom segura
Yeah, that looks...
joe rogan
Look at him.
He parties.
tom segura
He's a good time.
jamie vernon
That looks like fun.
joe rogan
Have you ever met him?
No.
A lot of people are mad at these billionaire characters for going into space.
tom segura
A lot of them are mad for just being billionaires, too.
People hate billionaires.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that going on.
There's a lot of...
Do you know that the fires in Northern California, speaking of people that hate billionaires, they busted a social justice professor for setting them?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yep.
tom segura
He set them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
What the fuck was he trying to do?
He's a piece of shit, apparently.
tom segura
Was he trying to deliberately cause a massive fire?
joe rogan
Yes.
Not only was he, apparently, the accusation is worse than that.
The accusation is that he was trying to trap the firefighters.
In the fire, so he was setting fires behind them.
Yeah.
Former college professor accused of serial arrest is denied bail in California.
It was pull up what he did.
tom segura
Gary Maynard?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a social justice professor, which is like, what does that mean?
Fucking terrifying, man, that this guy was a professor.
Just angry fuck.
Based on that finding, the defendant will be detained as a risk of non-appearance and a danger to the community.
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
You can't let this guy out, for sure.
joe rogan
No conditions or combination of conditions that would provide the necessary level of safety to this community should the defendant be released.
Yeah, this is what's crazy.
This guy was a professor.
tom segura
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Scroll up.
Let's see what it said.
No, I mean, I'm sorry, down.
See how they busted him.
I know they busted him because his car got caught in the fire.
Like he was in the area where you're supposed to be evacuated and his car got caught there and then they realized that he was actually setting fires.
And not only was he setting fire, Maynard, 47, a former professor who has taught at all, by the way, so was the Unabomber, former professor.
tom segura
He taught criminology and criminal justice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Colleges in New York and California, according to the online records, last fall he taught in the criminology and criminal justice department at Sonoma State University.
Which says in its official bio that Maynard, that he has a doctorate in sociology and three master's degrees.
His teaching research school said focuses on topics including the sociology of health, defiance, and crime.
tom segura
This is so crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy, man.
So he was spotted near the scene on July 20th of the Cascade Fire on the western slopes of Mount Shasta.
A mountain biker in those remote woods had noticed signs of a fire, called 911. And then worked to limit the fire spread.
A Forest Service fire investigator determined the Cascade fire was likely the result of arson.
He also noticed that on a dirt road 150 to 200 yards from the fire a man was struggling to free his car.
A black Kia Soul, of course he has a Kia Soul.
After the vehicle's rear had failed to clear a partially buried boulder, a witness told investigators that the man, later identified as Maynard, had arrived several hours before the fire started.
Court records show, the witness said the man had walked off in the direction when the fire eventually ignited, returning around 10 minutes later.
After the man returned, the witness recalled smoke from the Cascade fire became visible.
Wow.
tom segura
Wow, and they took a tire tried pattern left by his car.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The investigator kept his distance from Maynard, citing the man's uncooperative and agitated behavior, but he took a picture of his car and the license plate numbered, led to Maynard.
Forest Service agents also measured and recorded data about the tire tread patterns.
Wow.
What a fucked up person.
tom segura
Fucked up.
It reminds me, in some way, not entirely, of the...
That famous former arson investigator that set fires.
You ever hear about that story?
It is wild.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
And he wrote a book about an arson investigator that set fires.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Yeah.
And his fires, he definitely killed at least one person.
So this guy was a, I'm sure you could find this.
joe rogan
Where was this?
tom segura
Man, I don't know if it was California as well.
jamie vernon
Yeah, Glendale.
tom segura
This dude was an arson investigator and he was setting fires left and right.
joe rogan
Well, there have been fire department members.
Firefighters.
Actual firefighters.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Set fires and then put them out.
Like they have this thing.
Some crazy people.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have like this.
They want to put out a fire.
And there's no fire.
So they set a fire.
tom segura
This is the guy.
joe rogan
Look at him.
Shifty fuck.
I don't like your mustache.
Giannini sighted.
What's that?
jamie vernon
Sorry.
joe rogan
My bad.
Giannini cited testimony by a UCLA forensic psychiatrist who said...
Oh, his name is Orr?
Yeah.
Oh, Leonard Orr.
John Leonard Orr.
Orr was driven to torch buildings by a compulsion.
He was powerless to control.
He had no choice in the matter, the lawyer said.
Hilarious.
tom segura
This guy, he also wrote...
He wrote a book, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, this has him listed as an American novelist on his Wikipedia.
tom segura
And his book is about a fucking arsonist who's a fire investigator.
joe rogan
So when did he get busted?
jamie vernon
This was in the...
I mean, he died in...
joe rogan
Oh, he died in the 80s.
unidentified
Did he?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Is that what it says?
jamie vernon
He was 72 here.
joe rogan
Oh, he says age 72. I don't know what that is.
tom segura
I don't think he's dead.
jamie vernon
Google would probably just freak out.
That could have been when his book came out or when this happened.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's details here.
He got apprehended us in 1991. Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So he's in jail now.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
In prison.
California State Prison.
tom segura
Can you scroll to his book?
Because I'm telling you, it's like...
joe rogan
It'd be a wild book to read knowing that the guy actually set fires.
It is kind of crazy that anybody, like here we are lighting cigars, right?
Anybody can buy matches.
Anybody can buy a lighter.
tom segura
I knew an arsonist.
joe rogan
Did you really?
tom segura
I went to school with one.
joe rogan
Did he set people's houses on fire?
What did he set on fire?
tom segura
Government property.
Weird, socially awkward dude.
joe rogan
Points of origin.
Playing with fire.
tom segura
Join the investigation as lead character.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
2001?
tom segura
It must be a reprint.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it might have been a reprint.
Publisher 2001. I don't know.
It's kind of strange.
Did they let him write a book after he's already joined?
tom segura
No way.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a book on the actual thing.
Author is convicted of murder and is currently serving life sentence.
jamie vernon
Let me look that up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Well, look at the other one.
Points of Truth.
That's his name, too.
jamie vernon
But that came out after this.
tom segura
These are probably reprints, man.
joe rogan
Jeez, I hope so.
jamie vernon
Federal prison for 30 years.
Life plus 21. Yeah.
tom segura
But you see the description, right?
The description was about an arson investigator, which is what he was.
Oh.
joe rogan
It's a crazy compulsion, man.
tom segura
His best-selling true crime in his book, Fire Lover.
unidentified
Fire Lover.
joe rogan
No.
That was the book?
Fire Lover?
Oh my god.
I wonder if maybe he got sick while he was writing the book.
tom segura
Oh, so wait.
Fire Lover is a book about him.
Sorry.
That's a book about him.
But his books are points of origin and points of truth, it looks like.
Yeah, Wambach's writing about John Orr.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom segura
See, it says 2008. Yeah, that's strange.
joe rogan
So Points of Origin, Playing with Fire is his book.
But it's late at 2008?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So it must be reprints.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Either way.
tom segura
That is...
joe rogan
Imagine if he was...
Because a lot of times when writers get into a subject, they thoroughly research whatever psychosis the character has.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, I wonder if he went nutty investigating fires.
tom segura
Maybe, man.
This reminds me of O.J.'s book, If I Did It.
joe rogan
I have a copy of that.
tom segura
You do?
Signed?
joe rogan
Signed by O.J. Yeah.
tom segura
He's like, if I did it, this is exactly how I would, but I, you know, I didn't do it.
joe rogan
You might go back to L.A. My wife might have figured it out.
tom segura
That was the best.
The best is when O.J. He's scared to go back to L.A. I don't want to go back to L.A. and run into the real killer.
unidentified
It's fucking insane.
tom segura
You might be out there, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love OJ giving people advice on Twitter.
tom segura
Hello, Twitter world.
It's me, OJ Simpson.
joe rogan
The strangest thing is watching him talk on Twitter.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the strangest thing, because he talks, and then you look in the comments, it's all like knives, like knife emojis.
tom segura
Everyone's like, hey, remember when you killed those people?
Those are the replies.
joe rogan
That's all the replies.
And every now and then, you tell them juice.
tom segura
Every now and then, there's like someone- That's obsession with celebrity though, right?
There's such an obsession with celebrity that people are just like, it's cool, man.
Well, there's people that just- Not guilty.
joe rogan
No matter what, they don't think people are guilty, right?
Like when Cosby got out, there's a lot of people that were like, yes, finally justice is served.
tom segura
I'm like, What?
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
How many people?
tom segura
Yeah, it's like up to 50. You think that 53 women in their 50s and 60s conspired to ruin Bill Cosby's life?
Why?
joe rogan
Some people are crazy, man.
tom segura
Yeah, they are.
joe rogan
They really do.
But that's just, you're never going to get 100% compliance.
Like, when someone goes to jail for being a serial killer, there's women lined up to marry them.
tom segura
It's insane.
It's insane.
I mean, Ramirez, Bundy, they had bags of mail.
joe rogan
Yeah, naked photos and shit.
tom segura
But they're like, every day this shit arrives.
joe rogan
What is that?
tom segura
He fathered a kid in prison.
joe rogan
How did he do that?
tom segura
They fucking...
joe rogan
They conjugaled?
tom segura
Yeah, well, not a prison that allows it, but obviously a guard, you know...
joe rogan
Got paid off or wasn't paying attention.
tom segura
Or just got manipulated by a master manipulator, who we worked on probably for a couple of years, and let it happen, man.
Jesus Christ.
Ramirez got married in prison.
Manson, a fucking woman, married Charles Manson when he was like fucking 70. She was like, I love this guy.
unidentified
What?
tom segura
Yeah.
That's when you want to go, hey, look, there's someone for everyone.
If you're single and you're like, nobody's there, you can find someone, dude.
joe rogan
You just got to look around.
Just get the right profile out there on the dating sites.
tom segura
Yeah.
You got to get out there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
There's someone for you.
joe rogan
Someone's out there for you.
tom segura
For sure.
The Night Stalker had someone.
There's someone for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, a guy who crushed women's heads with hammers and shit.
tom segura
And had, by the way, he had choices.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
This wasn't, like, the one chick.
He had options.
joe rogan
Is it worth the other way, though, where women kill men?
Do they get a lot of proposals?
tom segura
For sure, some, for sure.
joe rogan
Must be, right?
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Guys who want to die.
tom segura
Or they just think it's hot, or they just...
You know, people also romanticize people in their minds, and they just...
You can choose to see what you want to see and block out...
I mean, if you're writing to the Night Stalker and Manson and fucking Ted Bundy, Who would rape dead bodies that had been decapitated.
And you're like, I want to meet this guy.
Did he?
joe rogan
Is that what he did?
unidentified
Yes!
He would rape the body after he killed them.
tom segura
You know, that's like...
joe rogan
Do you know he almost got Debbie Harry from Blondie?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, she escaped.
She was getting a ride from him, and she realized when she was in the car that the door didn't have handles on the inside.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And somehow or another she got out.
I want to say she was in the back seat.
Somehow or another she got out.
I don't remember the whole story behind it, but I remember her describing it.
tom segura
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Such a, I mean, just a brutal, savage dude.
joe rogan
There's a movie out now that just came out that was released.
It's like on iTunes movies about him.
Yeah, Harry claims she encountered Bundy during the 1970s, well before the famous new wave band that made her famous came together.
Who wrote this book or this article?
Well before the famous new wave band that made her famous came together.
How about editing, you fucks?
As she tells it, Harry was alone in the streets of Manhattan in the early morning hours searching for a taxi.
Then a white car pulled up.
The driver offered a ride.
Harry had doubts about getting inside the car, but her feet were aching and the driver appeared to be polite.
Upon realizing she was trapped, Harry managed to escape and lived to tell the tale.
Upon seeing Bundy's actual photo in a magazine article after his arrest, the hairs on the back of Harry's neck stood up as she realized she recognized him.
I had not thought about that night, but for maybe 15 years it was him.
Yeah, the passenger side door handle was missing.
Actual photos of Barry's 1968 VW verify these details but authorities have not confirmed that the man Harry met was Bundy.
tom segura
And the numbers that he put up.
That is insane, man.
You know, when they go like, this person killed like six and seven people, you're like, oh my god.
And you go, he killed over 30 women?
I mean, that's fucking crazy.
In so many different states, it was California, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, Florida.
joe rogan
It just makes you think about the way people's brains are broken.
tom segura
He was, yeah.
joe rogan
Various people's brains, whether it's arson or serial murder.
The human brain.
This is the movie.
Yeah, yeah, No Man of God.
tom segura
Yeah, I saw it.
joe rogan
Did you see the movie?
How is it?
tom segura
I mean, it's interesting.
So that's supposed to be, I think, Bill Hagmeier is his name.
He's one of the guys that established the FBI's profiling program, which evolved into this huge thing now where the term profiling didn't exist before him and a few other guys started to interview and study these guys.
And Hagmeyer volunteered to go talk to Bundy and they were like, he's not going to, you know, he denied it.
He kept denying it, pleading his innocence.
And he, you know, was able to connect with him and over time, Bundy at first would just tell him about Because Bundy had an interest in psychology, too.
So he would talk in psychological terms about things and weigh in on when they were looking for the Green River killer.
He would give theories and then he'd be like, of course, I have no idea.
I would never do shit like that.
But over time and towards the end, he ended up confessing to all his murders, you know, or a bunch of them.
But Hagmeier then ended up being the guy that a lot of serial murderers wanted to talk to and tell because of the Bundy connection.
joe rogan
Imagine being that guy and you have to sit there and listen to these people talk about how they tortured and killed people.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean...
joe rogan
Didn't Patton's ex-wife, or his wife who died, didn't she find...
tom segura
Well, she's given a lot of credit for tracking and profiling the Golden State Killer, who they ended up catching...
Not long after her death.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
And that was in that HBO series, which is fantastic.
I'll Be Gone in the Dark.
That's the name of her book.
And that's, I think, the name of the series, too.
And it is unbelievable.
She was so into finding him and really doing real investigative work.
And she ended up pairing up with one of the law enforcement guys that had been trying to find this guy for years and years and years.
And there was like...
You know, because people gave up on it.
That guy's numbers were also fucking insane.
And the way he basically evolved or devolved as a criminal, because he was the ransacker.
They called him the, I forget, like the Sacramento ransacker or something.
He would just break into homes and like ransack the home.
You know?
And he did it to like, I mean like fucking over a hundred homes.
joe rogan
And then occasionally he would kill people?
tom segura
Well, and then it became sexual assault, and he assaulted and raped women.
And then I think there's...
I want to say in that HBO series, they say that...
I think it was like someone in the news was like, oh, but at least he's not a killer.
And the guy almost took that as, oh, I'm not a killer?
And then he fucking killed someone the next time.
And then he ended up killing like a dozen people or ten people or something.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So he was reading the news reports and then...
unidentified
Fuck.
tom segura
But this thing, like, when you watch that series, too, and you realize that he would just wait in the fucking shadows, and, like, you know, you go, like, this guy's heart rate just must be, like, not able to flutter, you know?
Like, waiting inside homes, one of the things he would do, like, this dude was super sadistic.
Joseph, uh, what's the Italian name, right?
D'Angelo.
unidentified
Jesus.
tom segura
Look at that guy.
And, you know, he was a police officer.
joe rogan
Wow.
He was a cop?
At least 13 murders, 50 rapes, and 120 burglaries.
Between 73 and 86. And then he just stopped?
tom segura
Visalia Ransacker.
Then he became the East Area Rapist.
The original Night Stalker.
joe rogan
And he stopped.
tom segura
He did stop, yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tom segura
And then, you know, it's also terrifying.
You watch that...
That's serious.
And they have photos of him, like, with family, you know?
Like, his kids, his nephews, and...
You realize that's just like, that's some guy's uncle and dad.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
What is that?
Look at that image of him on the left.
tom segura
And that's an act.
joe rogan
This is an act?
tom segura
That's an act.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
tom segura
He was pretending to be feeble-minded and checked out during the beginning of the trial to be, like, less accountable for the crime.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look how they're wearing the...
tom segura
And then this is when he was convicted and he kind of knocked it off.
And he gave his...
joe rogan
So all this happened during the pandemic?
tom segura
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Because they're all wearing shields.
That's him when he was a cop.
What the fuck, man?
tom segura
See, there's him as...
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Dude, that series is incredible.
Yeah.
Yeah, HBO did it.
It's fucking wild, man.
And he...
Yeah, so he was doing this, like, I'm not with it routine.
And then they...
In the trial, they showed...
There was a closed-circuit camera in his cell.
And they show him, like, getting up and standing on the sink to clean his cell.
And, like, moving around...
Pretty well for a guy in his 70s.
Which was like, contrary to him in court being like, I can't move.
So it was all clearly...
joe rogan
Manipulative.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Yeah.
And they got him from the, you know, you know how they got him.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
It was like that 23andMe stuff.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Didn't they get his brother or something like that?
tom segura
Well, they ended up using...
I forget if it was her idea or another investigator's idea to look at that.
Because they had trace DNA that was like 30 years old in a bag in one of these rooms.
And they're like, let's test the DNA. And it wasn't a match.
So they knew it wasn't somebody that had been like...
Arrested before.
You know, they didn't have that 30 years ago, but they put it in the system to see if it would just, you know, line up to a guy who had been arrested.
But then they go, they were like, well, let's, you know, by looking at that evidence, they were able to put it into a, realize that he's part of at least this family tree.
And so they were seeing, like, who is in this tree from, like, those 23andMe type people.
Sights.
And then they, you know, they're seeing like who the possibilities are and they find a man in his 70s who's in California and they go and they fucking, they get him in his garage.
joe rogan
How long do you think we are from being able to have like a real lie detector test?
Like a real lie detector where they put your hands in this thing and they can like read your memories.
tom segura
Dude.
joe rogan
I don't think it's that far away.
tom segura
It doesn't seem like it would be.
joe rogan
Because I know they convicted a woman, I want to say in India, but it was very faulty.
They used what's called FMRI, which is functional magnetic resonance imagery.
And they said that she had...
Some sort of recollection of the crime scene that was unusual.
But then someone was saying, but if you were defending your life, like if somebody accused you of murder and they showed you all the evidence, you would have this connection to the scene.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
So how do you know?
I talked to a neuroscientist about this.
When I was doing that Joe Rogan Questions Everything show for SyFy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she didn't think that it made sense.
She didn't think that it was viable.
tom segura
And they convicted her based on...
joe rogan
It was quite a while ago.
I feel like it was in India.
See, Google woman convicted of murder through fMRI in India.
tom segura
Do you know how much people are going to push back on the perfect lie detector?
People are going to be like, fuck no.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
It's from 2009. It does say that she was convicted.
But I feel like when we looked this up one time, maybe it had been overturned or something.
Some articles are deleted now.
joe rogan
But it is from India, right?
I believe this woman who I talked to as a neuroscientist said this would not happen here and this is the reason why it's like but you know people get convicted of stuff that doesn't make any sense you know in Italy they were convicted they convicted these seismologists of not predicting an earthquake accurately They convicted them?
Yeah.
tom segura
You got this wrong?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And people were furious at them.
Apparently, Italy...
I don't want anybody to get mad at me in Italy.
Italy has a wonky criminal justice system.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's super flawed.
tom segura
Well, my first exposure to any of that was that Amanda Knox thing.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
tom segura
Because that story...
Also, it was a documentary thing that I saw.
It seemed wacky.
I forget the details of it, but you're like, how does this...
This doesn't add up at all.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Google...
joe rogan
Seismologists convicted for earthquake.
tom segura
In Italy.
joe rogan
In Italy.
I'm pretty sure they were saying, hey, motherfucker, this is not how it works.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We can't predict whether or not the fucking earth is going to shake.
tom segura
Doesn't seem like something you've convicted of.
jamie vernon
They were cleared.
joe rogan
They were cleared eventually?
jamie vernon
But they were charged.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
They had to go to court over it.
joe rogan
Imagine.
Imagine, you're fighting for your life.
jamie vernon
An appeals court overturned their six-year prison sentence.
unidentified
So they did get convicted.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was crazy.
Like, the idea that these dumb motherfuckers don't know how the equipment works.
So they go, how come you didn't guess?
unidentified
Manslaughter.
joe rogan
You didn't fucking know.
Yeah, manslaughter.
Appeals court says six scientists did not cause deaths in the 2009 La Aquila earthquake and cut sentence of a government official.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Cleared of manslaughter.
God damn.
Yeah, that's how dumb they are over there.
tom segura
I think you said you didn't want to upset anybody over there.
joe rogan
I'm saying it right now.
They're drinking wine and pasta.
They're fucking saying, hey, put them in a jail!
These motherfuckers should have known.
jamie vernon
There's a study from 2019 that says that people can fool it.
tom segura
But isn't that a thing here in the U.S. justice system that lie detector tests?
No, it's not.
They're like, that's not going to hold up in court.
joe rogan
It doesn't hold up in court.
But I think it doesn't hold up in court because people can fake it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I don't know.
Maybe you could get scared and your thing will be wrong and it'll register like you're...
But that fucking Italian thing is the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
They convicted them.
tom segura
Yeah, they're like, you're going to prison.
joe rogan
Lock them up!
Yeah.
tom segura
There's an earthquake.
You didn't get it right.
joe rogan
You fucking dumb motherfuckers.
How do you not know?
tom segura
That's so wild, man.
Jesus Christ.
You know that the people that are the best at defeating lie detectors are like the worst people.
unidentified
Sociopaths.
joe rogan
Complete sociopaths.
Yeah.
tom segura
They don't register any of the normal emotionals, like things you go through when you're lying.
joe rogan
Where are you born?
Mars.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, looks like he was born on Mars.
Okay.
tom segura
Checks out.
joe rogan
One day, I think they're going to have something.
There's a real fear that...
You know the idea of Minority Report, right?
tom segura
It's fucking so good.
joe rogan
It's a good movie.
tom segura
It is one of those movies that really holds up to and...
For how old it is, like, you can tell that CGI has gotten better, but it's still pretty damn good in that movie for being that old.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I haven't seen it since it came out.
tom segura
There's movies that, like, at any of the special effects, you're like, oh, that looks wacky.
Like, the first Jurassic Park, you're like, that looks fucking stupid.
joe rogan
Does it?
tom segura
Yes.
But when you first saw it, you're like, there's dinosaurs there!
Freaking out.
But now it looks goofy.
The first one does.
But Minority Report, I think for being in that, like, how old is Minority Report?
2002. It's 20 years old, man.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
And it's still, it's pretty fucking great.
joe rogan
How good does Tom Cruise look?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That motherfucker is like the best-aged actor of all time.
tom segura
Well, it's baby blood, man.
joe rogan
Well, whatever he's doing, he's doing it right.
tom segura
This movie's amazing.
joe rogan
They showed a photo of Kelly McGillis.
She was his co-star in Top Gun.
The two of them together back then, and then what they look like side by side now.
And she's, you know, what she would call age appropriate.
She sort of let herself go a little bit.
She's got the short haircut, gray hair, and he looks like he may be aged five years.
tom segura
But imagine what he puts into that.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
He's got to be as dedicated as anyone can be.
joe rogan
There's probably a whole team at Scientology that's just dedicated to massaging his skin.
tom segura
I mean, he's 60 or close to 60?
joe rogan
He's 85,000 years old.
tom segura
He's 85,000?
joe rogan
How old do you think he is?
unidentified
He's got to be 60. Right there.
joe rogan
And he still does his own stunts, which is crazy.
The new Mission Impossible shattered his fucking ankle.
Did you see that?
tom segura
Yeah.
Hopping off that building.
How did they let him do that?
Dude, by the way, as crazy as that sounds, jumping off of shit, the crazier thing are the aerial stunts he does alone.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, hanging on the side of a plane.
tom segura
Yeah, how about the one where, when you fly a helicopter, there's a term that I'm forgetting that's, um, it's like a forced descent.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And he was like, I'll do it.
So he...
And you can't put another person in there with him.
He just went up alone and did the forced descent in a helicopter?
Like, for the thrill of cinema?
Like, so that the movie looks cool?
It's fucking crazy, man.
joe rogan
He's a wild dude, man.
tom segura
Yeah, he's like, I'll do this.
joe rogan
Well, I know he does a lot of motorcycle stunts, too, which are also pretty fucking wild.
tom segura
Yeah, he's doing this, man.
joe rogan
So here he is.
So he's doing these actual helicopter stunts?
tom segura
Yes, yes, dude.
joe rogan
In these canyons?
tom segura
And I'll dive down.
Just make sure you're rolling.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So he learned...
When I went up with Burr, it's amazing how free you are in a helicopter.
You can kind of go wherever the fuck you want.
tom segura
It's awesome.
joe rogan
We were going through...
This is him here?
Oh my god, look how close he is to the walls of the canyon.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
tom segura
He's doing this, man.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's plummeting.
tom segura
Yeah, I got it.
joe rogan
Oh fucking Christ.
tom segura
And cut.
That's a print.
Good job, Tom.
joe rogan
Dude, it actually says that.
Well, I guess it's a print.
tom segura
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
It is very crazy.
I mean, that's part of his thing, right?
He does his own stunts.
tom segura
Because he believes in, it's a throwback mentality to, like, you know when, probably before we were even born, that the movies were like, this is an experience.
You know?
Like, now we're just like, ah, there's shows and movies.
But that's the mentality of like, no, you're buying a ticket for a fucking show, man.
Like, I'm gonna blow your mind in this movie.
joe rogan
Does he do any movies without stunts anymore?
tom segura
I don't think so, really.
jamie vernon
Why would you?
joe rogan
Why would you?
Basically, this part of his career is all the Mission Impossible movies, right?
tom segura
Yeah, they just shot two back-to-back.
joe rogan
Is he probably worried he's going to die?
jamie vernon
Tropic Thunder's cameo was like the rare non thing.
joe rogan
That's a fucking great movie that you could never make today.
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Impossible.
But I mean, if you stop and think about it, he's done a couple of those sci-fi movies, which were very good, like The Day After Tomorrow.
What did they call it?
They renamed it.
jamie vernon
Live, Die, Repeat.
joe rogan
Yeah, Live, Die, Repeat.
Because I guess The Day After Tomorrow was too confusing to people.
tom segura
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's that movie where he keeps dying.
tom segura
That was cool.
joe rogan
Edge of Tomorrow.
tom segura
That was a great fucking movie.
Was that with Emily Blunt?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That movie was rad.
joe rogan
That's a great fucking sci-fi movie.
tom segura
But you ever think about how relevant Minority Report still is, right?
Because it was basically kind of what we're talking about.
It was like telling you and then showing you in the end that you get it wrong.
And it can...
Look at these movies, man.
joe rogan
All the movies.
The Jack Reacher ones, that one was not very good.
But these Mission Impossible movies, I mean, if that's your kind of movie, he fucking nails it.
tom segura
I love the Mission Impossible movies.
joe rogan
Those are fun movies, man.
jamie vernon
Collateral.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's cool, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He hasn't done those for, it's been 20 years almost.
joe rogan
He's done a lot of fucking movies, man.
jamie vernon
51 as an actor, it says here.
joe rogan
51?
That's 51 years of filming.
I mean, how many do you film a year?
tom segura
I mean, he could do a couple.
joe rogan
I guess he could do maybe a couple.
Untitled Space X Project.
tom segura
Looks like Live, Die, Repeat is another one.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's...
tom segura
No, like a new one.
Oh, another one?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it says Repeat and Repeat.
tom segura
Repeat and Repeat.
joe rogan
Oh, Repeat and Repeat.
When is that coming out?
I'll see that.
jamie vernon
It says rumored too, so.
joe rogan
There's not enough good sci-fi movies.
That's my favorite.
tom segura
There's not enough good movies, period, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean, you look through the trending movies and half of it's fucking dog shit.
joe rogan
Have you seen anything recently that's any good?
It's hard to see.
They all blend.
tom segura
Yeah, sort of.
joe rogan
It's almost like there's too many of them.
tom segura
I started watching that documentary last night on...
What is it?
Crime and...
About the mafia guy that owned a trash company, Galante.
And he...
joe rogan
This is?
tom segura
This is on Netflix.
It's called Crime and...
I forget what the fucking full name is.
Bert turned me on to it, and it's a guy who's essentially like a real-life soprano.
He was, you know, mob associate or affiliate, and he ended a trash business in Connecticut, a huge one.
And his son was a hockey player in high school and got injured and wouldn't be able to play hockey again.
So he bought him a minor league hockey team at 17 and was like, it's your team.
And he became president of opera.
And I'm like halfway and it's hilarious.
It's crazier than shit.
This kid's like running a fucking hockey team as a senior in high school.
joe rogan
You know what I did see recently that I'm in the middle of right now that's fucking great is the new Cocaine Cowboys, the King of Miami.
tom segura
Billy's thing, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Billy Corbin.
tom segura
Yeah, I started watching that too.
There's an endless stream of Miami cocaine stories.
Yes!
I think he'll be in his 70s with a new Miami fucking cocaine story.
joe rogan
Billy's so interesting because he's so smart, but yet he loves Florida and Miami in particular.
tom segura
He embodies Miami.
Even in his tweets, it's all about shit that's going on in Florida or Miami.
joe rogan
Yes.
Or old stuff that happened there that he's finding out about.
tom segura
Well, it's because it's such a fucking unique culture.
It is its own thing.
There's nothing like Miami.
joe rogan
No.
It's literally like another country that speaks English and happens to be connected to us.
tom segura
And by the way, English is a second language.
I remember one of the first times I went to South Beach...
Which isn't, you know, Miami people will be like, that's not all Miami.
I know that.
But you're walking down Collins or Ocean, and you realize you've walked 20 blocks, and you haven't heard English yet.
Like, you hear everything but English.
I mean, that's a very rare thing in the United States, right, to be walking around.
You're like, no one's speaking English here.
joe rogan
Have you done a Spanish-speaking show down there?
tom segura
I have not.
I had one booked, and we had to redo it because of, like, move it because of COVID. But...
Right now, I've done them in California, Arizona, and Texas.
joe rogan
Now, when you do them, do you have to prepare for those differently?
tom segura
Yeah, a lot more than an English show.
joe rogan
Do you prepare your language?
tom segura
Well, first, I learned how much I needed to improve.
That's why I started doing the Spanish podcast, because I realized how much it had deteriorated over years from not using it, really.
It's gotten a lot better.
My Spanish is still not...
Great, great, but it's gotten a lot better just from doing...
joe rogan
Are you fluent now?
tom segura
I would say I'm definitely conversationally fluent.
I make my errors.
I make grammatical mistakes all the time, but it's still gotten better.
I even started doing grammar lessons on a website because it's helped me.
But talking to people is the best way.
Talking to people is the best way.
joe rogan
So do you just call your mom?
tom segura
Yeah, I try not to call her, but I fucking...
No one wants to get corrected by their mama.
I'm like, just fucking, let's talk about something else.
But yeah, I talk to friends.
There's a couple, you know, like Richard Villas, a friend who's a comic, who he toured in Mexico.
His Spanish is excellent.
And I'm doing that podcast.
I met so many Spanish-speaking, like native Spanish speakers who speak perfect, perfect, like the way we speak English, essentially, right?
And so you talk to them and then sometimes, you know, they'll correct you.
And it's like, it's the best.
You actually go like, oh, I wish.
Like sometimes it's an error you've been making for years.
And you're like, no one's ever corrected me.
Some of the reasons why no one's corrected you is like, you know you speak English to somebody that speaks English as a second language?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And they'll say, well, we was there earlier.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
You know what they mean.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
So you're, you know.
joe rogan
You don't want to correct me.
tom segura
How often are you going to be like, excuse me?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tom segura
We were there.
You know, it's not...
So you find that people are doing it out of almost like a courtesy, but what you learn is when you're trying to improve it, you go, no, I want you to correct me.
And so some people I've told have done that to me.
And it's improved it.
Doing the shows actually is a really great exercise in improving it.
The hard part for me is that some people don't understand that, you know, in English when we do stand-up, the way that the act gets rock solid is by performing it over and over and over.
In Spanish, I'm doing the show like once a month, you know, or maybe four times one month and then I don't do it the next month.
So I don't ever, I haven't been able to get into that rhythm of like, oh, it's getting tighter and tighter and tighter.
joe rogan
So you've got to kind of be conscious while you're doing it.
tom segura
Oh, I'm so focused when I do it.
It has taught me how much more I should be focused on my English act.
Because I really fucking study the notes, I listen to the set, and I'll call somebody, I said this, and he's like, well, you should say that.
Things like that.
And it's helped.
For sure, but I won't be able to feel like the Spanish set is solid if I don't block out time and go like, I'm doing the Spanish set for like two months or something.
joe rogan
When you took time off from the pandemic and then you went back, how many months off were you of complete no stand-up at all?
tom segura
Dude, I think five.
joe rogan
Five?
tom segura
Five, which is a lot less than I found out.
Some people waited.
joe rogan
Some people waited over.
Duncan waited over a year and a half.
tom segura
Yeah, I did five.
I remember my first set back.
You know, you had sea legs.
You're just like, whoa, what's going on?
joe rogan
Did you do a headliner set?
tom segura
Well, I probably did a—I'm trying to remember now.
I probably did a couple L.A. 20-minute, 15, 20-minute sets at some of these outdoor shows.
Yeah, I definitely did that.
So I did a few of those, which felt...
Dude, I was stressful.
I felt stressed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Because I was doing all new.
I wasn't doing old stuff.
unidentified
Oh, really?
tom segura
Because my special came out during the pandemic.
joe rogan
That's even crazy.
tom segura
Yeah, it was stressful.
And I was like, you know, like, what else is going on?
Like, I was fucking...
Stammering.
But then when I did the first set back, I want to say it was probably like, I probably did like 50. Like after doing a few of these outdoor 15-20 minute sets.
But by the second, I was doing two shows a night.
That second night, I was like, oh, it feels like it's been two weeks off.
It didn't feel like five months anymore.
joe rogan
I took off March to July, and then July I did the improv in Houston, and that's how it felt to me.
The first night, first show, I was like, oh my god, do I even know what I'm doing?
And the people were so excited to see comedy.
tom segura
So excited.
joe rogan
It was great.
They were like, this is crazy.
We're out.
unidentified
We're out.
joe rogan
We're going to a comedy club.
So their enthusiasm helped.
tom segura
Yes.
And that enthusiasm has kind of stayed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Because I realize I've been touring a little bit now.
A lot of people, they're telling me, like, it's my first night out in 16 months.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
So there's been quite...
Like, when we did Vegas...
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
That was fucking insane.
joe rogan
That was insane.
tom segura
That energy was wild.
joe rogan
But that's going to always be insane.
Those are 14,000 people shows.
tom segura
That's true, but I felt like it was even another level.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom segura
It was real.
joe rogan
Well, it was because this was before the Delta kicked in.
So everybody was like, Vegas is back!
tom segura
It was July.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
It was the week after July 4th weekend.
I remember that because I worked July 4th weekend my own shows in Vegas.
And then the next weekend I went back and did it with you and Chappelle.
joe rogan
That was one where two people I know got COVID that weekend.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And I was like, oh, Jesus.
tom segura
That shit was crazy.
I still remember that.
I was like, this is nuts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nuts.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it felt like everything was back.
tom segura
It did.
joe rogan
And now it feels like everything's back, but it probably shouldn't be.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it has that feeling.
Like when I was in Florida this past weekend, last week, I was like, this is a little sketch.
And then when I wound up catching COVID. Yeah.
tom segura
Also, I get the sense, too, that people, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm not doing this again.
Like, I'm not staying home again.
Right.
Businesses, like venues, promoters, they're like, yeah, we will definitely go bankrupt.
And they're basically like, unless there's a federal fucking mandate, this shit is not shutting down.
joe rogan
And I don't think there can be anymore.
I mean, I think, and especially with people that have protection, people that have already been infected, and people like yourself that have been infected, and on top of that have been vaccinated, which is supposed to offer an additional layer of protection.
Those people are like, fuck it.
tom segura
I have a bunch of gigs coming up where I've been notified by the promoters That the state is dictating.
You have to show up with proof of vaccination and or negative tests.
joe rogan
I would be fine if it was and or, but like New York City is the most stupid.
They're so fucking dumb because there's people that have had natural infection, which offers more protection than the vaccine.
Look, there's people that got vaccinated in July, right?
Eight months ago.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nine now, right?
Excuse me, January.
They got vaccinated in January.
Nine months ago.
And they can go anywhere and do anything.
And then there's people who were infected with the disease two months ago.
They have much more protection.
And those people can't go anywhere.
You can't go to restaurants.
You can't go to live shows.
It should be antibodies or proof of vaccination.
And really, legitimately, it should be a negative test because we know that if people have been vaccinated, they still get it.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, the real thing, because I was always pretty much like, what are the doctors saying?
And On board with being vaccinated.
I didn't do it for a while because my doctor was like, you don't need it.
But then, you know, learning about what's going on in Israel is like really the eye opener, I think, because you have 80% of the population over 12 is vaccinated.
And they're like, yeah, we have record number of infections.
People in the hospital.
It looks like original COVID data.
And they have mostly vaccinated population.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
And there was something recently, was it North Carolina or South Carolina, where they were going over the numbers of how many more people have been hospitalized, you know, this month versus previous months, and how many of them were actually vaccinated and still are getting wrecked.
Because if you're...
Again, you're nine months in.
They're saying now that the vaccine's protection wanes after X amount of months, depending on who you are and how healthy you are.
tom segura
One thing I think is clear is we have no idea where this thing is going, but it's definitely not going away soon.
joe rogan
It doesn't seem like it is.
We thought it was just a couple of months ago, which is crazy.
tom segura
I thought that was the end of it, man.
And it's clear that it's going to be hanging around for a minute.
joe rogan
Well, then there's these other variants that you keep hearing about where the vaccine has no effect on it.
tom segura
Yeah.
There was the Delta, which I thought that was the end-all.
And then now there's another variant.
joe rogan
There's a couple other ones.
There's something called the Lambda, apparently, and then there's something else.
Was it the MU variant or something like that?
jamie vernon
Yeah, the MU and then the C2. There's a number one.
joe rogan
C2, 6, 1. Fun times.
tom segura
Great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Who the fuck knows?
Who the fuck knows?
Apparently, the company that originally made Ivermectin is working on something that's similar to Ivermectin.
That's an antiviral treatment that you take, but they'll have a patent on it, so it'll be promoted.
The other thing about Ivermectin is it's generic.
tom segura
I really feel like you should get royalties.
That's just my own point of view.
joe rogan
I shouldn't.
It's nothing to do with me.
Pierre Corey and all these people that have been actually treating people.
It's just, what's really strange is these people that are not doctors that are super confident that it does nothing.
When these doctors who are treating people...
tom segura
Mostly not doctors that have the strongest opinions about all of this.
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
It's wild out there, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's that they don't care.
My situation's a perfect example because they don't care if you get better.
It's how you got better.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And whether or not you did what I told you to do.
Because if it was just, oh, look what he did and he got better so quick, people would actually be asking me and celebrating and examining how I approached it.
tom segura
Yeah, that's interesting that there's no narrative about that.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
It's just like...
joe rogan
I mean, what's the excuse for why I got better quick?
I'd like to hear it.
tom segura
I mean, I literally got better with no treatments.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you had that other variant, though, the alpha.
tom segura
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Which they think was like, that was the one to catch.
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
Young Jamie was exposed to the new variant, and his immunities, his antibodies are jacked.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So apparently he had come in contact with it, as had my whole family.
My whole family, their lines, I got their antibody tested, and they're fresh.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So they had come in contact with the Delta before I got it.
There was a bunch of times where everybody around me got it.
Obviously, you never know if you would have got it, but I really maintained that what happened was I fucked up and I got drunk and stayed up really late and just wrecked myself.
tom segura
On tour, I've gotten sick.
This is pre-COVID. Sick.
Fucking wrecked sick.
From a lack of sleep and just going too hard and not taking care of myself.
joe rogan
And the flights.
tom segura
The flights are fucking brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Especially on a...
You're on a go, go, go schedule.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're doing like three, four nights in a row like I was in Florida, you're flying every day.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
Flying in Thursday, Friday morning you're flying somewhere else, Saturday morning you're flying somewhere else.
tom segura
And you stay out drinking one night, you slept four hours, you get to the next city and you're like, I'm going to rest.
You don't really rest.
unidentified
No.
tom segura
You go do two shows or whatever and then you do it again the next day.
joe rogan
I also hit the gym every time I land.
My routine is to avoid the jet lag.
I always go straight to the gym.
I put my shit in my room.
I go right to the gym.
tom segura
That's the way to do it.
joe rogan
That's the only way that I've ever found that kills the jet lag.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It gets my brain fired up.
tom segura
Especially on that international shit.
joe rogan
The thing to me too is like there's something about hard cardio that it's always real good to do before a show.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because hard cardio, you know that runner's high thing?
That's real.
tom segura
Oh.
joe rogan
Something about hard cardio gives you this sort of like looseness.
tom segura
Yeah, and alertness.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tom segura
That's why I do it.
So my routine is pretty much now we do strength stuff in the morning and then cardio pre-show, two hours pre-show.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom segura
And I do...
joe rogan
You bring somebody with you?
tom segura
Yeah, I bring a trainer on the road.
joe rogan
Ooh, fancy man.
tom segura
The great Sean Nix is with me on the road.
joe rogan
Ooh, so fancy.
tom segura
And it's great.
I mean, I feel so much better since I've done it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean, my tour just started, but, you know, he's there.
We're looking at food we're eating, and then...
unidentified
Ooh.
tom segura
You know, eat right, lift or, you know, strength training.
And then I like that feeling of you should have to cross the 30-minute mark at least and, like, really have a sweat going.
And my brain goes from, like, it's here, like, and then, like, eyes wide open.
And you're like, this alertness is how I like to feel going on stage.
joe rogan
Do you eat?
Before a show?
tom segura
Yeah.
But now I like to eat...
If my show is at 8 o'clock, I want to eat at 5, maybe 5.30.
And then if I have two shows, I found that I can eat between the two shows if it's real clean.
I'll have chicken and spinach.
And then I don't feel heavy.
I just did somewhere between 30 and 50 minutes of cardio.
And you did that first show, so you have an appetite worked up.
The main thing is that it's so clean that you don't feel any of that heaviness.
I'm not like burping.
It's just like chicken breast and spinach.
joe rogan
If I have to eat within an hour of a show or two hours of a show, it's just fruit.
Oh, fruit, yeah.
I treat it the same way I work out.
You can't eat a fucking meatball sub and then try to work out 40 minutes later and you'll feel like shit.
And that's the same way I feel about food.
Getting on stage.
tom segura
I've done the opposite so many times.
joe rogan
It's a real problem if you're starving.
tom segura
It is.
joe rogan
Because you'll just go fuck it and just go do it.
tom segura
Yeah, if you wait until you're hungry, hungry, for me it's always poor decisions.
Oh, yeah.
And then I'll be like, what did I just do?
joe rogan
Isn't that interesting?
When you're tired and you're starving, I always go immediately to fast food.
That's what I want.
If I'm hungry and I'm tired, I am immediately thinking burritos, soda, I want fries.
It's the worst decision.
tom segura
And then as it ends, you're like, this was a really bad decision that I made.
And then you're talking and belching.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the worst.
tom segura
You feel it on stage.
Sometimes I'm on stage just letting out the most insane farts.
joe rogan
Oh, that's horrible.
And you get to look at the people in the front row.
That's one good thing about theaters, or being on a large stage.
Who knows where that's going?
It's probably drifting over their heads, too.
tom segura
And I always thought about holding the mic to see what it sounds like on the way out.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
That's Joey Diaz.
unidentified
Does he do that?
joe rogan
I've seen Joey Diaz do that before.
He farted into the microphone.
He put the microphone up his asshole, farted, and he goes, Sookka!
tom segura
I miss Joey.
unidentified
People are just like shaking their head like, what the fuck are we paying for?
tom segura
I miss him.
I haven't seen him in too long.
joe rogan
You know, Kate Quigley was Joey's opening act for a while.
Yeah.
tom segura
That story is so crazy.
joe rogan
For people who don't know what we're talking about, Kate was apparently at a party with three other people and they all had done fentanyl-laced coke and three people died and she wound up in the ICU. Yeah, it's really scary.
tom segura
I heard that she's doing better.
I don't know how verified that is, but I saw that she's doing better.
joe rogan
I heard she's doing better, too.
She's been in contact with Red Band.
tom segura
But that guy, Fuquan, died.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's terrible, man.
joe rogan
Fentanyl is a fucking terrifying drug.
tom segura
And today, Michael K. Williams, the actor, said that he died today, man, which is so sad.
jamie vernon
Right before you got on here, we found out he's Omar from The Wire and a couple other TV shows.
joe rogan
He just died?
jamie vernon
He was found in his apartment with drug paraphernalia, the police said.
They didn't say what it was.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
It's really sad.
joe rogan
54. If it's the same shit, that's crazy.
Because apparently it's going around.
This fentanyl-laced cocaine.
Yeah.
This is, you know, cartels.
You know, Stanhope had a tweet about this, and he's absolutely right.
That there wouldn't be these kind of drug deaths if these drugs were illegal.
Because if these drugs were legal, you would just be taking Coke.
And you would know it was Coke.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
It's like, if you buy...
Look, sure, people can...
If I drank this whole thing, maybe I'd die.
You know?
If I drank a whole thing of whiskey, maybe I'd get alcohol poisoning and die.
But at least I know that I'm drinking whiskey, right?
If I had one shot of that and it just happened to have fentanyl in it and I died, that's what he's saying.
He's right.
He's right.
It's like this stuff is laced.
tom segura
When I OD'd in my freshman year of college...
joe rogan
Where'd you OD from?
tom segura
I took ecstasy, but then I did a big, big swig, huge, of GHB. And then I drank a bunch.
The order, though, was ecstasy, a bunch of alcohol, then a bunch of GHB. But when I had the toxicology report, they were listing all the drugs, and I was like, I didn't take all those drugs.
And they're like, yeah, but that's what was in what you took, you know?
They're like, you have opiates, barbiturates, stimulants, everything.
I tested positive for everything.
And it was basically, he was like, what you took was made in someone's bathtub, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, in Tijuana.
tom segura
Yeah, you don't know what the fuck you're taking.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about this problem that we're in right now.
Because this is exactly the same problem that was during the prohibition of alcohol.
And people were selling moonshine.
But at least back then, it was just alcohol.
It was potent and disgusting.
But it was still just alcohol.
This is the worst case scenario.
You're buying...
Organized crimes version of these drugs instead of it being legal where you can get actual real drugs.
tom segura
I'm so sad for Michael K. Williams, too.
I know he did a bunch.
He was in tons of stuff.
Always a brilliant actor.
But I remember watching The Wire and being like, this character is so amazing.
The Omar character.
It's such a layered, brilliant portrayal.
It was obviously amazingly written, but he was incredible in it, man.
Just incredible.
It was incredible.
joe rogan
Fucking terrifying that that has taken out that many people.
tom segura
Fuck.
joe rogan
But I mean, even if it's heroin, yeah, that's the thing is they're lacing everything with fentanyl because it's so potent and such a minuscule amount is so potent.
tom segura
Well, I read too that if you're selling coke, you can stretch your kilo of coke into like three times the amount by adding the fentanyl, you know?
So then your one kilo is three.
joe rogan
Right.
And they're not, like, being accurate with this stuff or careful.
tom segura
Fuck no.
joe rogan
They don't give a shit.
That's what's so scary about it.
There's no accountability.
No one gets in trouble for it, you know?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's nasty shit, man.
And it's such a terrible byproduct of the war on drugs, which doesn't work.
tom segura
It feels like even now the most conservative person recognizes that.
But yet we go, well, this is the path we're on.
joe rogan
Well, it's like the idea of recognizing it and then making the big change.
The big change is political suicide.
The big change is saying all drugs should be legal.
And, you know, that's political suicide.
Nobody wants to say that.
Because if they say that, they're worried that, you know, if you're a governor and you say we should legalize all drugs, they're like, you fucking hippie piece of shit.
My son died of drugs.
And, you know, people are going to use it as an excuse.
And you'll never be able to win.
As logical as it is, and it is logical, it's just an untenable position to have in today's politics.
But they're right.
We're fucked.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're fucked in so many ways.
We're fucked with the news.
I mean, come on.
The news today is so squirrely.
It's so hard to find out what's true and what's not true.
tom segura
Yeah.
That is one of the ones that gets to me the most, because I feel like it used to be not like that.
joe rogan
Maybe we just didn't pay attention.
tom segura
Maybe.
Maybe.
But also just to feel like our broadcasters that did the news just used to fucking, you didn't know about their point of view.
Now you know this is a left-leaning guy or gal and this is the right-leaning person.
It's like, it's supposed to be someone, like news is supposed to be objective.
It's like, this is what happened.
joe rogan
There's no, especially on the left, there's none of that.
That doesn't exist.
tom segura
No.
On either side, really, though, it's just like, you know, even the way that they deliver the news.
Like, why am I seeing your personality shine through?
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom segura
It's the news.
They're like, are you seeing this shit that Biden said?
It's like, well, dude, what happened?
Tell me what happened.
And you actually have to really dig for that.
I remember I said one time that the best way to consume U.S. news is to leave the country.
Like, get your news from overseas, where they're like, here's the story.
Because it's so colored with bias in the country that you live in.
joe rogan
Yeah, that makes sense.
I mean, for the longest time, people were turning to RT and Al Jazeera to get U.S. news.
tom segura
Dude, when you go international and you turn on CNN International, it's nothing like the CNN that's broadcasted in the States.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Absolutely not.
joe rogan
They have different hosts?
tom segura
100%.
joe rogan
Can you watch that?
tom segura
I don't know if you can watch it here, but I've traveled and it's just like from Hong Kong and there's like two anchors that you don't see regularly and they're just like reading prompter.
It's just a news story.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's none of that here anymore.
But I think that the problem is personality.
It sells, right?
tom segura
Well, Fox nailed it.
They really changed the game with it.
When Ailes created that network and was like, give me these personalities.
And that did crazy ratings.
Then you have the competition going, we need to do that too.
And then it just became something that took off.
joe rogan
Fox figured out the ice princesses.
Super hot, Republican women that are really cruel.
That's true.
tom segura
And they're all blonde.
joe rogan
There's something about that.
tom segura
Short skirts.
joe rogan
There's something about that that is undeniably hot.
Why is that?
Why do we like those no-nonsense, super smart, hot, blonde women in short skirts?
tom segura
I mean, you're speaking my language here, man.
joe rogan
I fucking love that shit.
tom segura
I love a blonde with attitude, man.
Do you?
joe rogan
Mean, blonde, with attitude, with perfect toes.
tom segura
Give it to me.
joe rogan
It's not weird that you can see their toes.
Like, there's no other, you know, there's nothing like that in the male world.
tom segura
I do not object.
joe rogan
I don't object either.
I'm not saying it's negative, but it's odd that they figured out that formula and it took so long, you know?
But once they opened up that Pandora's box, like, we're kind of fucked.
tom segura
Yeah, a lot of people were like, I guess I like news.
unidentified
Ugh.
Yeah.
tom segura
No, they did.
They figured out this formula.
Well, they just figured out that that's what gets eyeballs, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem.
The problem is that's what gets eyeballs.
And also, the format of this thing that you have to do for seven minutes before you go to commercial.
Because you have these little bursts.
So you have to catch people's attention and maintain it for these bursts where you'll hold them through the commercials so they'll return after the commercials.
Because if they take off during the commercials, then you're fucked.
Because then you're not going to be able to get the ad revenue money.
They need to know that you're there.
So they need to know that you're tuning in based on their personalities, whether it's Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity or whoever it is that you agree with.
tom segura
Or hate.
Or hate.
We used to watch news like, I need to know what's going on in the world.
That was the idea of news.
You tuned in.
When I was a kid, it was Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, And then CNN wasn't known as the CNN of today.
It was just the idea of round-the-clock news.
joe rogan
CNN was news that was like objective and clear.
tom segura
It was anchors just reading prompter, man.
And you didn't know anything about them.
You didn't know which way they thought or leaned.
But now, what you're talking about is that people go, I want to watch somebody that I agree with.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And I want to get angry with them.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I want to get angry.
tom segura
I want to get fired up about the shit that I'm fired up about and have somebody smarter than me break it down for me.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Explain to me why I'm so angry.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's totally different.
joe rogan
Like, how do we pull out of that?
That's the thing.
It's like, I don't know if people are ever going to start trusting the news again.
tom segura
Oh, I think that ship has sailed, man.
joe rogan
It kind of has, right?
But isn't that terrifying?
tom segura
Of course it is.
joe rogan
Because that opens up the door to propaganda from all sorts of foreign sources.
tom segura
Look at the absolute record level of misinformation on anything.
You bring up any topic...
And if you go online and search for it, you can find a hundred things that tell you that this is this way or the opposite way, people that agree with you, people that disagree with you, and you have to do the work to find out who's full of shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You have to fucking work for it.
joe rogan
And that's never been the case.
tom segura
No!
joe rogan
Well, first of all, there was never the option, right?
Like, the news had a massive responsibility because they were the only way you got the news.
You either got it from television, which was kind of watered down, or you got it from the New York Times or the Post or the Boston Globe or wherever you lived where you read the newspaper that you trust.
tom segura
Well, then, you know, newspapers have dwindled.
joe rogan
Well, they've kind of got a little click-baity, too.
tom segura
Oh, yeah, with headlines.
You click on headlines that have nothing to do with the article.
You read the article, and you go, what the fuck was that?
You just got hooked.
You got hooked by that wordplay, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, you just got hooked by bullshit.
You know, this whole situation where people are saying that I'm taking horse dewormer.
tom segura
But wait, so is that because that medicine does have that property as well?
joe rogan
There's a version of it that's veterinary.
It's an anti-parasitic drug that has been used for...
They've used it for river blindness.
I think it's also...
tom segura
So that is what you took?
joe rogan
It's one of the things that it does.
tom segura
So it has more than one effect?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So what they're using it for, the people that are using it for COVID, they're using it with what's called off-label.
Whereas they recognize that there's properties that this drug has that would be effective, and so they try it.
During times of pandemic, doctors traditionally have had all these different off-label drugs to use at their disposal to try to find out what works for different ailments.
It's fucking gnarly out there, man.
It really is.
Because, again, what we're talking about, it's hard to get clear information as to what does and doesn't work.
Because there's clear information about what does work.
Like, clearly the vaccines do work, right?
That's pretty clear.
But are they the only thing that works?
That's what's not clear.
Because when there is some other thing that works along with it, then you have the problem with the emergency use authorization, then you have the problem with the right-wing versus left-wing narrative, because a lot of people think that right-wing means that you're anti-vax, left-wing means that you're pro-Fauci, you're like, what team are you on?
It's become this sort of bizarre tribal thing.
Which, during the time of a pandemic, is the strangest thing of all time.
tom segura
Dangerous, too.
joe rogan
Very, very dangerous.
tom segura
And disheartening.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Because people also want to know your point of view on one thing, and then you are categorized as that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
So, like, the vaccine is just one example.
You know, you could have your, you weigh in on abortion, guns, electric vehicles, whatever your point, if you go, I like this, and then people are like, oh, I know who you are now.
You can't possibly have a nuanced point of view, which is insane, because people are more complicated than that.
joe rogan
Well, I think people feel that.
That's why they enjoy these kind of conversations where people can talk openly about things.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it doesn't exist anywhere else.
It doesn't exist where there's any kind of production, where there's any executives or any networks or any people with a vested interest or some sort of a connection to sponsors.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't have these kind of conversations.
tom segura
I told somebody this, I forget who I was talking to on a podcast, about how...
Remember a couple times we went to Taryn's place?
joe rogan
Taryn Tactical?
Yeah.
tom segura
It was so fucking fun.
And just posting there, I saw so many people like, I didn't know you were like this.
I was like, what?
You didn't know I liked to have fun?
Like, what are you talking about?
They made it like a...
joe rogan
Yeah, you're a Second Amendment person.
tom segura
Yeah, and I was like, I'm at a fucking...
Awesome place with nice people teaching me a skill.
It was fucking great.
People were like, oh, unfollowing, didn't know you were one of these guys.
I'm like, this is crazy that you post a video of you just being like, I'm having a good time at this place.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, during the pandemic, gun sales amongst people on the left rose astronomically.
Oh, skyrocketed.
Skyrocketed.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the massive lines outside the L.A. gun stores?
It was crazy.
tom segura
Hmm.
joe rogan
Because when the shit hit the fan during the George Floyd riots, people started losing their fucking mind, and there was giant lines outside gun stores.
tom segura
A lot of people got them, and I understand.
But what was interesting to me was that I wasn't making a statement.
I was just being like, I'm having a great time.
joe rogan
You're just shooting a gun.
tom segura
At a safe place that has experts, and it's a fun thing to do, and it's a skill set.
Man, people are like, a lot of people, the fuck are you doing this for?
I'm like, wait, what?
joe rogan
That's the benefit of not reading the comments.
I don't know if that's happening.
Also, with me, I think they probably just assume I already am like that.
tom segura
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Which I kind of am.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, as far as guns go, I mean, I think you should learn how to shoot a gun.
You should know how to shoot a gun.
It should be important.
You should be proficient at it.
tom segura
I do think everybody should know how to.
joe rogan
Yeah, I go every time I'm back there.
Every time I'm back to L.A., I go for lessons.
I went just two weeks ago.
I was back there.
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, by the way, fucking great guy and great staff.
joe rogan
They're so good at what they do in terms of being able to educate you on how to shoot properly.
I tighten up a lot of my little technical issues.
Absolutely.
tom segura
They fucking took me from not having a fucking clue to feeling pretty good some of those times.
Feeling somewhat proficient.
I totally would credit them.
joe rogan
I have a membership out here, too, at a range if you want to go.
tom segura
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
We could always go and tighten up.
tom segura
I'll definitely go.
joe rogan
It's a perishable skill.
It's something that, you know, it's like everything else.
You really have to practice it in order to be able...
It has to be...
In time, obviously, you never want to have to use it.
In times of need, it really should be something that's second nature.
You understand how to use it.
tom segura
Yeah, for sure.
I just got a grenade launcher.
We should take it out.
joe rogan
That's all you got?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't got any nukes?
tom segura
Not yet.
Excited about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, in Texas, we have this weird thing now.
Here's another crazy new law.
Texas has a constitutional carry now.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I have a concealed carry license, so I had to pass a proficiency test, and I had to pass a written test.
You don't have to do that anymore.
Now, just because God gave you the rights, Yeah.
I'm fine with if you know what the fuck you're doing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's not necessary anymore.
tom segura
That's wild.
joe rogan
That's wild.
tom segura
I do like a guy passed a test.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I like that.
joe rogan
You should absolutely know how to use it and how to be safe.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's fucking important.
tom segura
There's got to be a place...
It's probably in the state where you can go and it's like they blow shit up.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, like really blow some shit up.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
Dude, I have friends.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
I have friends that like fill frigerators up with this shit.
What is that stuff called?
God damn it.
Yeah, Tannerite.
Thank you.
Jamie's a psycho.
unidentified
He's a silent psycho over there.
tom segura
Can we go to that place?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Tannerite stuff.
What they'll do is they'll set it up like 300 yards away.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
There are some really crazy videos of guys doing that.
And then the refrigerator door literally goes whizzing by their head at 500 miles an hour after it explodes and almost kills them.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they get too close.
They think they could, oh, just do it from 40 feet away.
tom segura
No, buddy.
No.
I'll be behind the fucking cylinder thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to get a bunch of sandbags and have a little tiny window that you shoot through.
Boom!
And then duck into the ditch.
And even then, I hope it doesn't land right on you.
tom segura
Fucking A, man.
joe rogan
Tannerite is wild shit.
People use it to clear forests.
tom segura
Reach out.
unidentified
That's all I'm saying.
tom segura
I would like to do this.
joe rogan
They put it at the base of a tree.
Here, watch this one.
Watch this one.
Look at that.
tom segura
Oh my god.
joe rogan
See?
That's what I'm talking about.
tom segura
He's way too close, man.
joe rogan
But look how...
Let's watch that again.
So he shot a fridge packed with tannerite, and the door literally flies by.
tom segura
Holy shit, man.
unidentified
And look how fucking fast that door's going.
joe rogan
That guy is almost dead.
What match if his little kid was right behind him?
Daddy, can I just stand here?
Sure, son.
As long as you're right here, it's not going to come straight at you.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's scary.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of assholery that comes with freedom.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's part of the problem.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
That's one of the things about Texas that people love is that you can kind of do a lot of wild shit here.
tom segura
You sure can.
joe rogan
But that's what's dangerous.
A friend of mine asked me to kill his zebra.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's got an asshole zebra that keeps killing his young zebras.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he asked me to come kill a zebra.
He goes, you want to kill my zebra?
I got to kill it.
I go, what?
He goes, I got to kill this zebra.
unidentified
Where?
tom segura
In this state?
joe rogan
Yeah.
An hour away from here.
tom segura
Did you do it?
joe rogan
No, I've done it.
No.
I'm not going to kill a zebra.
tom segura
No, come on, man.
joe rogan
Unless I was going to eat it.
And apparently you could eat zebra.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
I heard zebra tastes good.
I've had horse.
Yeah.
You ever go to Joe Beef in Montreal?
tom segura
Yeah.
Wait, no, I'm thinking of Joe's.
joe rogan
Oh, in Sacramento.
tom segura
Yeah, there's a couple of locations.
joe rogan
Oh, San Jose.
tom segura
San Jose.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Near the Improv, right?
tom segura
Yeah, but I think there's another location of that, too.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
I think in San Francisco.
tom segura
Yeah, but Joe Beef, no.
joe rogan
Joe Beef is one of my all-time favorite restaurants.
unidentified
It's in Montreal.
joe rogan
It's in Montreal, yeah.
And shout out to Fred and Dave, who run Joe Beef.
I was introduced to them from Bourdain, and it's an amazing restaurant.
And the first time I went, they served us horse.
tom segura
How was it?
joe rogan
It was really good.
tom segura
You know where I want to go?
Wherever you posted that you went in LA. Oh, Felix.
Was it in Venice?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Might be my favorite restaurant of all time.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm talking like even internationally.
unidentified
Felix?
joe rogan
Yes, Felix in Venice.
Their Italian food is off the fucking charts.
They have a room...
I've had Janet Zuccarini, she's the owner, and Evan Funke, who is the head chef, who's amazing.
I mean, he's just a fucking artist.
A real culinary artist.
He has a room in Felix that's all glass where you can watch them make the pasta.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So they do it there.
They have real artisans.
There's a video.
But, I mean, real artisans.
And Janet was like, why are we having this fucking room?
This is in the middle of the floor.
It's like right there.
This is so many seats and tables that we could use up.
You know, because they're sold out every night.
It's literally one of the greatest restaurants of all time.
It's incredible.
But the pasta is off.
Everything's great.
There's not a goddamn thing that they make that's not off the charts.
unidentified
I'm blind.
joe rogan
Everything.
The shrimp, oh my god.
They have these prawns where you suck the heads, you know, and they're in, like, with the fucking olive oil and garlic and oh!
Oh!
Oh!
I don't even eat pasta anymore.
But when I go there, I'm eating it 100% of the time.
I don't give a fuck if I feel like shit for a week.
tom segura
I'm going to Sushi Bar.
unidentified
Sushi Bar ATX? I'm going to the one in LA. Oh, okay.
tom segura
This week.
joe rogan
Same guys.
tom segura
Yeah, same guys.
I'm going this week.
joe rogan
Incredible.
Incredible, right?
Yeah, insane.
tom segura
I want to go to the awesome location.
joe rogan
Greatest sushi of all time.
tom segura
I can't wait to go.
And then...
joe rogan
Let's do a double date at the Austin spot.
tom segura
I'll go.
Let's go.
I'm excited.
joe rogan
Have you met Phillip?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
The guy who's the head guy?
Oh, he's a good friend now.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, we've become friends.
He's awesome.
tom segura
I cannot wait because I love sushi.
That place is insane.
My other thing I'm looking forward to going because I love croissants.
I'm always in the- You're a croissant guy?
I'm a croissant connoisseur.
And that's my big cheat, is getting a good croissant.
Really?
By the way, I'll order a croissant, and if it is subpar, I'll be like, you can take that shit back.
I won't eat it.
joe rogan
Oh, because you love croissants so much.
tom segura
Yeah, if it tastes dry, you're like, what is this in the fucking grocery store?
joe rogan
Where's your croissant spot?
tom segura
Well, I don't have one here yet, even though one of my friends here is opening a pastry shop here with a top, top-level pastry chef, and he's like, her specialty is croissants, and I was like, oh, fuck.
But in LA, I have, the spot is Cinque Tera Huest Osteria, which is un-fucking-believable.
They sell out every day.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
You have to call in and request.
joe rogan
A croissant?
tom segura
Yes.
And you gotta be like, hey, save me fucking two croissants, man.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Yes.
Every day.
It's so good.
joe rogan
It's just a plain croissant?
tom segura
No.
Well, he makes plain chocolate, almond paste, and then depending on the week, he's like, today there's prosciutto and mozzarella croissant.
He makes savory ones and pesto.
They are decadent, and they're amazing.
joe rogan
That sounds so good.
tom segura
And I just fucking sold you 100,000 more of them.
joe rogan
It's so good.
Why is bread so bad for you?
Because it's so good.
tom segura
I don't know.
joe rogan
Goddamn delicious.
tom segura
It's good that I moved away from there.
I fucking eat them all the time.
They're so good.
joe rogan
My number one splurge here in Austin is at Red Ash, which is a phenomenal place.
tom segura
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
But they have that garlic bread with bone marrow.
tom segura
It's the best.
It's one of the best things I've ever had.
I had friends visit from LA and took them there.
And they're foodies.
And they're like, this is one of the top three meals of my life.
joe rogan
Yeah, the bone marrow's off the charts.
tom segura
Incredible.
joe rogan
With the garlic bread, it's like, I don't think food gets better than that.
tom segura
Yeah.
No, that place does it other level, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he opened up a new place here called Jay Carver's.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, the head chef opened up a new place.
It's equally phenomenal.
tom segura
Different type of food?
joe rogan
Different, slightly different.
What's it called?
Jay Carver's.
tom segura
Is it also in the area, in downtown area?
joe rogan
His name's John Carver, the head guy.
Yeah, it's in the downtown area.
It's a small area.
tom segura
That red ash is fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Phenomenal.
Red ash is phenomenal.
And the people are so cool there.
Everyone's so nice.
But that's like the thing that I love the most about LA, or excuse me, Austin, is how friendly everybody is.
tom segura
Well, yeah, I was just telling out there that I've been here since May.
And not even comparable.
I know...
All of our neighbors, like, far better than in 19 years in Los Angeles.
For real.
joe rogan
Yeah, people are friendly.
tom segura
I say that people go, wait, you've never had somebody wave to you?
I'm like, that's what I'm talking about.
People take care of you as neighbors.
joe rogan
No, it's different.
tom segura
Hey man, I saw this was left outside.
I brought it on your doorstep.
I saw somebody.
Real, genuinely friendly shit.
joe rogan
My neighbor left a message saying, hey, if you hear any gunshots, I've got an armadillo problem.
So don't worry about it.
tom segura
Lighten them up.
joe rogan
But just imagine that fucking message.
Like, okay.
Okay, I'm reading this.
tom segura
In LA, there'd be a SWAT team in your yard.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Armadillo problem.
I had a fox in my yard the other day.
tom segura
Here?
joe rogan
Yeah, making this crazy noise.
unidentified
Like, wah!
joe rogan
You ever heard them?
They have this weird, like, yipe.
They yell out.
tom segura
I forget.
The craziest thing that you kind of get used to in a way in L.A. were the coyote packs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
The packs of the packs.
Sometimes you see one.
I saw one one time jogging down a fountain with a dog in its mouth.
Just trotting.
I was like, holy fucking shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he is.
tom segura
listen to this did you get that Fox Like the one in your yard?
joe rogan
No, I would never kill a fox.
No.
I mean, unless they got in the chicken coop, which I don't have a chicken coop anymore.
tom segura
The coyotes will fuck shit up.
joe rogan
Yeah, coyotes will fuck shit up.
Look, I would kill coyotes in a heartbeat, but foxes are fucking cute, man.
They're also really playful.
tom segura
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's apparently, there was a baby deer in the yard, and the fox was playing with the baby deer.
tom segura
Hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're really adorable.
They're such strange creatures because wild foxes will play with people.
Did you ever see that movie Grizzly Man?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He became friends with these foxes.
tom segura
With Foxy the Fox, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
He's my friend Foxy.
joe rogan
Remember he stole his hat?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And ran into her little den?
Yeah.
Yeah, with a hat.
tom segura
When I lived on Hyperion once, on Silver Lake, we had a neighbor who had a pit bull.
And one night, I hear just the craziest sound.
I'm like, what the fuck is that?
It's like squealing almost.
Like I couldn't make out what it was.
And I look out the window and like five or six coyotes were around the door into my neighbor's house.
And the pit bull was sitting there at the door on the other side.
And they were all just like...
joe rogan
Trying to get them to come out so they could kill them.
tom segura
Yeah, it was so crazy.
And also to see it in a city, in a city setting.
It wasn't out in wilderness.
joe rogan
I used to go to this pet store, and there was this guy who worked in the pet store, but he also worked in a vet's office.
And they had this big pit bull come in.
One of those big freakish ones was like 100-pound boys with a giant head and muscles everywhere.
tom segura
Muscles popping out of it.
joe rogan
And he was caught up all over his body.
And they were like, what happened to your dog?
He's like, I don't know.
It got outside the yard.
So they stitched this dog up.
He's got hundreds of stitches all over his body.
He's really fucked up.
They follow the blood and they find nine dead coyotes.
So they had tried to corner him.
What they'll do is they'll have one will come out and go, hey, bitch.
And then they chase him and they flank him and they attack him.
They just picked the wrong motherfucker.
The power those things have, they're probably like, what the fuck did you bring over here?
What kind of demon did you bring here?
And he said it just looked like a battlefield.
Holy shit.
They were just torn apart.
tom segura
I had a friend with Rottweiler in LA who, it killed a couple coyotes.
joe rogan
Those fucking coyotes are bold, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're bold, and they get hungry, and so they get really crafty, and they do sneaky shit.
tom segura
That's crazy.
joe rogan
A kid in Calabasas a couple of days ago got attacked by a mountain lion.
A mom had to punch the mountain lion in the mouth to get her fucking kid free.
tom segura
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, let me see if I can find that.
You got it already?
Yeah, look at this.
A mountain lion shot killed after attacking five-year-old boy near Calabasas.
What the fuck, man?
tom segura
65-pound mountain lion.
joe rogan
10.45 a.m., causing wounds to the boy's head, neck, and upper torso.
tom segura
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
The mom reportedly fended off the line, hitting it multiple times.
The boy was then driven to parents to a hospital.
He was treated.
Oh my god.
tom segura
Imagine how traumatized that kid is.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It's a monster trying to kill your fucking kid.
They will kill people.
They will kill people.
People have to understand that.
This is not an off situation.
Your kid is alone.
They'll find it and kill it.
20 minutes after the mountain lion was killed, two more mountain lions appeared in the area.
One was described as a full-grown adult with a radio collar around its neck.
The other was a smaller mountain lion, about the same 65-pound size of the lion that was killed.
Fuck, man.
tom segura
That's scary.
joe rogan
In Texas, they just shoot them.
There's no laws.
In Texas, if you have a mountain lion in your yard, you just shoot it.
And they go, did you shoot it?
And you go, yeah.
And they go, good.
In California, you have to have all sorts of depredation permits.
If a mountain lion's in your yard and you just shoot it, you're in trouble.
tom segura
Oh, sure.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
tom segura
But also, if someone walks into your fucking yard or house in Texas, you can get a fucking shot, man.
joe rogan
In California, the new Los Angeles district attorney, they're trying to recall him.
They're doing crazy as far as what you can and can't get away with.
I have friends that live in Venice that are saying, you call the cops when someone breaks into your house and the cops can't even do anything.
Unless that person steals a certain amount of money, it has to be more than $900 worth of shit.
They won't even arrest him.
tom segura
I think it's Illinois or Minnesota, too, the nonsensical law about an intruder.
It's you as the person living in the house.
You're obligated to not shoot that person.
Who entertains that?
It's not realistic.
joe rogan
Liberals.
Which I am in a lot of ways, but in a lot of ways I'm not, I guess.
tom segura
That's one way I'm not.
I feel like I'm definitely pretty liberal, and I definitely do not subscribe to that.
That is total insanity.
joe rogan
It's total insanity, and the only time it makes any sense is if you don't have a dog in the game.
If you don't have a stake in the game, if you don't own property, if you don't have children, if you're a young college kid or a young super progressive left-wing person, then you think, well, that poor person, they're not doing this because they want to.
They're doing this out of desperation, and we have to be kind, and we have to be open-minded.
tom segura
But it's also putting on the person whose home is being broken into the idea that you're supposed to be calm and collected as you find an intruder in your house.
joe rogan
Which could be one of these fucking serial killers that we were talking about earlier.
tom segura
Yeah, you're supposed to be like, wait man, wait, are you high?
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
Are you having a rough go of it?
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
tom segura
As opposed to the reality, which is you're going to be in a full fucking panic.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
tom segura
And you're not going to be like, should I talk to this person first?
joe rogan
Especially if you have children.
tom segura
Oh my God.
joe rogan
You know, Jim Brewer said this to me once when he first had kids.
He goes, I never really, in Jim Brewer's voice, really understood murder until I had a kid.
He goes, now I get it.
Now I get killing somebody that would harm my child.
tom segura
I mean, you don't even blink thinking about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different world.
It's a different world when you're thinking about protecting a small child and then One thing that I have said multiple times, that it's a new thing as I've become an adult, is I now, because I'm a father, I think of people as babies now.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which I didn't used to think of.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
I think of, like, I see someone who's all fucked up, I'm like...
tom segura
That's somebody's kid.
joe rogan
Even a fucking crazy homeless person who's covered in dirt and lying on the ground, I'm like, that's someone's kid.
That's someone's kid.
tom segura
I get that.
I get that.
I would say that as a parent...
I never really understood disemboweling someone until I had a kid.
But if you tell me that someone's hurting my kid, I'm all about cutting them wide fucking open.
unidentified
Whoa.
tom segura
You know?
Jesus.
And feeding them.
joe rogan
What about their taint?
What are you going to do to their taint?
tom segura
Take a picture of it?
Send it to their kid?
joe rogan
Feeding them to the pigs?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean...
jamie vernon
Did you see the story in Malibu?
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Malibu machete attack against family, cost dad an eye, two homeless suspects arrested.
Primary suspect had pulled the knife on a sheriff's deputy back in April, but liberal DA George Gascon, this is the guy I'm talking about, his office filed only a misdemeanor charge.
tom segura
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fuck, man.
tom segura
Lost an eye.
jamie vernon
Jesus Christ.
It doesn't really describe the fight, but it says that they were approached while they were eating, if the family was eating lunch, Oh my god.
joe rogan
They were eating lunch last Saturday at Dan Blocker Beach in Malibu when the suspects approached them, claiming falsely that the family wasn't allowed to be there.
Argument ensued and he attacked, he brandished his weapon and began attacking the father, cutting his face, an eye in his tongue, chest, and one of his hands.
Oh my god.
tom segura
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
tom segura
Cool district attorney.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the best.
Well, it's one of those weird conspiracy theories where, you know, you hear that George Soros is involved.
You know, I don't know too much about George Soros, but that's the number one guy that these conspiracy theories point to, is that he funds these super progressive, ultra-liberal district attorneys and politicians, and then hires or then funds someone even more left-wing to run against them.
Yeah.
tom segura
He's a very, very rich, savage businessman.
I know that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
He's like a corporate raider, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
tom segura
It's crazy when someone is like that cutthroat but also super liberal.
It almost doesn't...
joe rogan
Well, it's why.
Why is he doing that?
I don't know.
The conspiracy theory, again, I'm not saying that I subscribe to this, but this conspiracy theory is that he literally wants the demise of civilization in the West.
He wants the demise of America, that he despises America, and that the way he's doing this is by installing Progressive and more progressive.
Like, the most progressive possible and then more progressive still.
And that doing this, which will encourage crime, decriminalize a lot of behavior.
And, you know, you look at all these fucking different places that have installed these people, like this George Gascon guy, who is—people in L.A. are freaking out.
The cops are freaking out.
They're handing out concealed carry permits in Los Angeles, which used to be impossible to get.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But now the L.A. Sheriff is like, look, we've got to do something and people have to protect themselves because the cops are not going to do anything.
tom segura
They sure fucking do.
joe rogan
It's weird, man.
It's just such a weird time.
tom segura
Yeah, Burt had that.
You know when he was building a place?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
And his place got robbed one night?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And luckily no one was there.
It was under construction.
And he said like...
A cop showed up and he was like, what are you going to do?
And they're like, what are you talking about?
What are we going to do?
You got robbed.
And he was like, will this be pursued?
And he said they laughed.
And they're like, this is L.A., dude.
No.
He just got robbed.
joe rogan
Does he want to stay there?
tom segura
I think he loves it.
I think he loves this place.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh.
joe rogan
It's spooky, man.
It's spooky because it wasn't like this just a few years ago.
It's like this demise that seems like the slide has begun and there's no mechanism in place that's going to turn it around.
There's nothing that I could see or imagine that would put a halt to this.
And who the fuck knows what's going to happen with this recall election?
I mean, maybe that'll change things.
Maybe if they realize that people are so fed up that they're going to recall the governor and they're going to install a radio talk show host, which would be pretty wild.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Larry Elder.
tom segura
Yeah.
Wait, what happened with the recall election, though?
joe rogan
It's still going on.
September 14th, I believe, is the election.
tom segura
Is the election.
And Elder would be installed?
joe rogan
He'd be the governor.
Did you see what the LA Times wrote about him, that he's the black face of white supremacy?
tom segura
Jesus.
unidentified
Really?
Yes!
joe rogan
The LA Times has lost their fucking mind.
They've gone full social justice warrior.
The fact that that was printed in the newspaper, that this is the black face of white supremacy.
tom segura
That's a wild headline, man.
joe rogan
That's a wild headline.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's super insulting.
joe rogan
It's so insulting.
It's so crazy.
I don't know enough about him.
I don't know enough about him.
tom segura
He was a radio guy, right?
joe rogan
He still is.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I know that he came from Compton, and I know that he's very conservative, and he's one of those, you know, accountability and, you know, personal accountability and figure out your life and get your shit together, but I don't know enough about his politics and his...
Positions on things to comment on him.
Goddamn.
tom segura
It's a crazy state, man.
joe rogan
It's a crazy fucked up state.
And the thing is, I don't know how that state turns around.
tom segura
It's so massive, too.
I mean, in every way.
It's geographically pretty massive.
Population-wise, it's enormous.
More people in California than in Canada, for people that don't know.
Think about that.
More people in the state of California than in the country of Canada.
joe rogan
More people in LA than in the country of Canada.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I think so.
tom segura
Canada has about 38, 39 million people.
joe rogan
Count Mexicans.
tom segura
Okay, you're right.
And then economy-wise, I mean, a fucking engine.
That's the biggest economy in the world.
The state is.
joe rogan
Did you see Newsom when they were, like, he kind of lost it a little bit?
One of these interviews where he was talking about all the great things about California.
Oh, he's high on California.
People are, you know, coming down on him and giving him a hard time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He got real agitated.
He started rattling off all the things that California's doing great in terms of innovation and IPOs.
Bro, you have nothing to do with that.
You have zero to do with the innovation in California.
Zero to do with IPOs, how many IPOs there are.
tom segura
He's right on two fronts.
I don't think he has anything to do with it, but it is incredible the innovation that comes out of the state of California.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, the amount of intelligence.
I mean, just think about all the universities that are in California.
Think about how the amount of, like, tech, just the tech world.
Meanwhile, they're all moving here.
That's what's wild.
tom segura
That big-ass...
unidentified
Wild.
tom segura
Do you know about that Google building?
I learned that.
But did you know that...
They started building that and people on that lakefront area were like, what the fuck is it?
Because they built in front of three other buildings.
So now the Google building has prime view of the lake.
joe rogan
Oh, they blocked all those?
Can you do that?
tom segura
Well, yeah, because it was in there.
What people didn't realize who got upset here was that you could have found that 18 months before the building started.
It was in their proposal to the city to build it.
joe rogan
And the city went, okay.
tom segura
Yeah, and it's not dumb, but it's beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like a sail.
tom segura
And there's grass terraces.
joe rogan
There it is.
tom segura
You see those parts that come out?
joe rogan
Is that what it's gonna look like?
Yeah, that's not what it looks like yet, right?
tom segura
Yeah, but it's like halfway there.
joe rogan
Imagine if you're right behind that.
tom segura
But you can walk outside on each of those terraces, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
tom segura
And there's grass and trees.
You can jump, you can float, you can do whatever you want.
joe rogan
Imagine if they put nets around those terraces.
tom segura
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Like Foxconn.
When will someone come along that makes a fucking phone that you don't have to feel like a piece of shit for buying?
tom segura
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Well, because all these phones are made, first of all, if you follow phones all the way down to how the minerals come out of the ground, literal slave labor is involved in retaining some of the minerals and pulling some of the minerals out of the ground.
There literally might be a child laborer with a stick that's pulling out some of the coal tan.
tom segura
I gotta say, those kids are doing a great job.
These phones are amazing.
joe rogan
They are amazing, but wouldn't you pay...
How much more would you pay if you didn't feel like a piece of shit when you used your iPhone?
You didn't feel like some kid has to work 16 hours a day.
tom segura
If they're like verified this one has...
Yeah, of course you'd pay more.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure, right?
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
How come no one's come along and done that?
tom segura
There's clearly too much money in the other business.
Everything's always about money.
joe rogan
I know, but it's kind of amazing.
tom segura
Yeah.
Do you have that thing?
I do this thing where I buy a new phone, but the anxiety of getting it up and running, I'll leave it in a box for months.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Yeah.
I'll be like, fuck, I got to set it all up.
I'll do that for a while.
joe rogan
Well, my new thing is I don't put apps on my phone anymore.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I have Instagram and Twitter on my phone because I had to post things.
But I'm better off without those.
I'm really better off putting those on another phone.
But for the longest time, I had nothing on my phone.
Nothing on my phone but a phone, and it was great.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I had pictures.
I could take pictures on it.
I could text message.
I could Google things.
tom segura
I remember you were posting those photos you were taking with your, what was your Samsung?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The moon.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How crazy is that?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can zoom in on the fucking moon.
tom segura
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Someone told me there's some fuckery involved in that.
tom segura
In what?
joe rogan
In the actual- Is there?
Jamie's laughing.
jamie vernon
For sure there is.
tom segura
Right, right, right.
Fuckery in which way, though?
joe rogan
Like that you're getting an image of the moon, but it might...
I don't want to misspeak.
I know that there's a digital zoom aspect to it, so they're zooming in.
But are they using a photo of what the moon actually looks like?
jamie vernon
Like are they faking you out at the end of it?
They could be because it looks so good.
joe rogan
It looks so good, but let's find out if that's the case.
Like, what is the digital fuckery?
Because so many people were saying, dude, your phone is full of fuckery.
I'm like, but is it?
I don't know.
I didn't even look into it.
I just was drunk on the beach, going, look what I got.
tom segura
Fucking awesome, yeah.
joe rogan
I was on vacation.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was on vacation in the Turks and Caicos, and I started using that.
unidentified
Let's see.
jamie vernon
So I'd have to see if someone's done a breakdown of it.
I know it's called moon mode, and then they say it's using AI. So once you're starting to say that, you could go, well, AI made, you know, it pulled better images off of what it knows the moon looks like.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, that's the thing is that the moon itself, the position...
Like, when the moon is spinning around the earth, we're looking at the same side of the moon always.
The moon doesn't spin.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
So we always look at the same side of the moon.
Makes sense.
So if the moon is visible, like, they could conceivably fill in what it actually looks like.
jamie vernon
Alright, I'm going to skim through this very deep dive into this where someone has gone through the whole thing of the accusation of it as an AI trick and they're going through lots of evidence.
joe rogan
What is that?
Is that your dad's asshole?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
Stitched up pretty hardcore.
You sure he wasn't trying to make himself a pussy?
It seems like a pussy, even where it's at.
It looks like where a pussy should be.
tom segura
I'll ask him.
joe rogan
Do you know that there's this woman, Dr. Shanna Swan, and she is an environmental epidemiologist, and she came on the podcast and was explaining to us that phthalates, Which is contaminants from plastics in particular.
That and some stuff from pesticides are changing the reproductive organs of people and radically lowering people's testosterone and increasing the amount of miscarriages women have.
And one of the ways that they find the impact of phthalates on mammals that's very measurable It's the size of their taints.
Because a male taint is between 50 and 100% larger than a female's taint.
And over the course of the years where petrochemicals have been introduced into the modern environment, particularly plastics and things along those lines that contain phthalates that leak into people's food and body and water, The human taint has shrunk.
And the sperm count has shrunk.
Penis sizes and ball sizes have shrunk.
Testosterone counts have lowered.
tom segura
This is all from what we're consuming?
joe rogan
It's all from plastics.
Jesus.
Yeah, it's terrifying.
What's her book called again?
I've asked what her book is called a thousand times, and I cannot remember.
jamie vernon
Countdown.
joe rogan
Countdown.
jamie vernon
How Our Modern World is Threatening Sperm Counts.
tom segura
Jesus.
joe rogan
It was a terrifying podcast.
She's a wonderful lady.
She's really interesting.
She's really fun.
She has a thing on her Instagram page called The Jizz Quiz, and it's all about showing how people's sperm counts have dropped.
tom segura
Declined.
joe rogan
With the introduction of these phthalates.
It starts with a P. P-T-H-A-L-A-T-E-S. And it's all plastic, though.
Plastics and some of it is from some different environmental pollutants from pesticides.
tom segura
Interesting.
joe rogan
But they're radically changing our ability to reproduce and also she thinks it has to do with all these people that are confused about like their sexual orientation or their gender.
tom segura
There's a lot of now.
joe rogan
Which might have something to do with it.
Because if there is people that are non-binary, if there's a direct relationship between human beings, these petrochemicals and these phthalates, and the shrinking of your taint, the shrinking of your penis and balls, and then people just being confused about sex overall.
Like lowering of sperm counts, and then the raising of miscarriage rates.
Terrifying shit, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
That's something that I would never guess this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Why would anybody know this?
joe rogan
Well, when she sent the proposal to come on the podcast, my jaw dropped.
I was just reading into all the stats, and that was nothing compared to actually talking to her.
tom segura
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was scary.
It was a scary podcast because you're like, well, where does this end?
Like, what happens here?
tom segura
And it keeps declining?
Sperm count?
joe rogan
And it's very measurable in mammals.
Like, this is something they've known.
tom segura
Oh, this is happening in other species.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could show it in mammals that if you introduce phthalates into the pregnant female, the baby has a direct reaction to these phthalates.
tom segura
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
We're fucked, Tommy.
T-Buns.
It's not looking good, buddy.
jamie vernon
According to this article, just so you know.
joe rogan
AI is the secret weapon.
Now that we've established the moon photos from the S21 Ultra, most definitely not fake.
Okay.
How is Samsung pulling off the seemingly impossible?
How is the S21 Ultra's 100x zoom taking a photo that bests even a $4,800 camera setup?
Simple.
AI. Samsung hasn't hidden this fact either.
An in-depth look at the S21 Ultra's camera technologies.
Samsung says AI super resolution is responsible for producing sharper than the naked eye can see photos at 10x to 100x zoom.
tom segura
Jesus.
jamie vernon
But what does that mean, though, by using AI? It only does it for like 30 things right now.
And I would argue like going into this, the moon to everyone in the world looks about the same, you know, depending on light sources.
So they could use that one example as a base to be like, where are you?
What does it look like?
What can we fix in a pixel to make it look a little bit better?
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
They're not replacing it.
tom segura
But when you're taking the photo of the moon, something's being done in the camera's technology?
jamie vernon
In the phone, because it knows you're taking a picture of the moon, though.
tom segura
That enhances it.
jamie vernon
Correct.
joe rogan
But in what way?
Is that actually my photo, or is it some fuckery?
jamie vernon
So there's some new stuff going on right now.
I've been getting some advertisements for some very good AI software to fix blurry photos.
Like photos I've taken 10 years ago that are blurry, I can fix now and make them look not blurry.
Wow.
Which is pretty hard to do.
tom segura
Yeah, it seems like it.
jamie vernon
You know, through manipulating some pixels, it's not really that hard to do.
joe rogan
Here it says, once the camera detects and identifies the image as a certain scene, for example, the moon, then offers a detail enhancing function by reducing blurs and noises.
Additionally, in low light, high zoom situations, our super resolution processing is happening, i.e. multi-frames, multi-exposures are captured.
A reference frame is selected, alignment and registration of multi-frame, multi-exposure solution output.
The actual photo will typically be higher quality than the camera preview.
jamie vernon
It sounds a lot like this is a very crude explanation of what's happening in a deepfake.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
It's deepfaking your moon photo with the moon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Do you see the one where they put me on the Taliban?
joe rogan
Yes.
It's crazy.
jamie vernon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy how good it is, man.
tom segura
It really is.
That Tom Cruise one?
joe rogan
Oh, that one's insane.
That's insane.
And that guy who does the impression of Tom Cruise is amazing.
jamie vernon
That's why, because he looks like Tom Cruise.
So if you're defaking the moon of a moon photo...
Are you then deepfaking it?
Because it's the moon.
joe rogan
It is the moon.
The problem with using an Android phone all the time is that they're just scooping up information from you.
Like, everything you do gets tracked.
Everything you do gets sold to advertisers.
Apple is way better about that.
But now, Apple, this is a thing that Edward Snowden's been talking about on Twitter a lot.
Apple is...
About to or may be considering releasing.
They haven't done it yet, but what they're going to do is they're going to be able to go into your phone to look for images of child pornography.
So you'd say, well that's good, I don't want these child porn people to be able to, but the problem is they have access to your photos.
That means they can go into your photos and look for things.
Yeah.
And that's a slippery slope.
tom segura
It seems like a real slippery slope.
joe rogan
Real slippery slope.
Not only that, what if you have a picture of your son showing his asshole to you?
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
Like, what if your son comes in here and he goes, and you're like, listen, you little fucker, you're going to think this is funny one day.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you take a picture, and then all of a sudden, you're in court.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And you're like, Tom, why do you have a picture of your son's asshole?
And then you tell the story that you told on this podcast when we think it's hilarious.
tom segura
The judge is laughing, but he's like, I still got to fucking...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Sorry, you got to go to jail forever.
Yeah.
Apple in a document published on Friday detailed how it has used machine learning and enhancements to introduce significantly improved people recognition in iOS 15, including in situations when a face isn't clearly visible.
jamie vernon
Can use their upper bodies to identify people.
So it's in the iOS 15 update as well.
Jesus, man.
Because that's going to be on the new phone.
joe rogan
Right, but that's not what they're concerned with.
We're concerned with, yeah.
jamie vernon
This is in addition to, this is part of like, I had that concern with things like this that this software can do already.
joe rogan
Right, like where it already, like, if I have pictures of Tom in my phone, it'll show me all the pictures that I have of you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It already has that.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
It's been doing that on my, like, pictures I've taken of you from past concerts.
People in the audience are showing up like, hey, they're in your photo five times.
I'm like, that's fucking weird.
Do I have to turn this off?
unidentified
Oh.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tom segura
That is weird.
joe rogan
The scary thing to me is the child porn thing.
It's not scary that they're going to catch child porn people.
That's great.
I love that.
But what's scary to me is, like, what's to stop people from putting it on someone's phone?
What's to stop someone from using that to access all sorts of other things into someone's phone?
Are we just accepting that every time you take a photo, the government gets to see your photos?
unidentified
That's fucking true.
joe rogan
Not only that, the problem with the whole term government is they're just people.
And some of them are awesome, and some of them are pieces of shit.
And that's just across the board with all human beings.
You can't give them that kind of power.
That's where things get crazy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this is the problem that people are having with all these new pandemic laws and restrictions.
It's not that we don't need to protect people.
It's that you're giving people the power to have control over other people.
Like, we're seeing what the fuck is happening in Australia.
Australia has traded in a pandemic state for a police state.
Now, Australia is like, it's wild what's going on over there now.
They have, like, camps.
They take people and put people in fucking camps.
When you get caught with COVID, they're separating people from their parents.
tom segura
Even that enforced quarantine when you arrive is pretty fucking wild.
joe rogan
It's wild.
tom segura
My friend's girlfriend, Australian, went home, and she was like, you just get taken to a hotel.
They choose the hotel, put you in the room, and they put food outside the door.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You just get stuck in your room.
tom segura
But they're like, if you leave the room...
Yeah, you're fucked.
unidentified
You go to jail.
joe rogan
You're fucked.
Well, do you see what's going on in Paris?
In Paris, they're forcing people to get vaccinated.
If you don't get vaccinated, you can't go to restaurants, you can't do anything.
So people are protesting against it.
There's protests in the streets.
Well, some woman got chased down by the police because she went to a mall and she tried to shop without being vaccinated.
They chase her down and tackle her and beat her.
tom segura
Fuck.
joe rogan
There's a video of it.
See if you can find the video.
tom segura
Goddamn.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
These cops tackle this woman and they're beating her because she tried to shop unvaccinated.
tom segura
Goddamn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's intense.
joe rogan
Well, what's intense is there's no logic to it.
Like, what if that woman, as we talked about before, recovered from COVID and has a 6 to 13 times stronger protection from the Delta variant than someone who's vaccinated, and they're still tackling her and beating her because they want compliance?
It's not a law that makes sense.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Because it's one thing if they said, look, you have to show antibodies or show proof of previous infection or vaccination.
Well, then you could kind of make the argument they're protecting people.
But really, what we need is more testing.
You need the ability to test people on a regular basis that's accurate.
tom segura
Well, definitely doing this is nuts.
joe rogan
It's a crazy video, man.
tom segura
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, people are protesting.
Yeah, they're literally like riot cops.
And they hold this lady down, and they're fucking hitting her with sticks, man.
They're beating the shit out of this lady.
And it's crazy, man.
tom segura
This is for shopping unvaccinated?
joe rogan
Yeah, for shopping unvaccinated.
jamie vernon
According to the tweet, though, so.
But, yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, right.
It could be.
It could be something else.
That's the truth, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but apparently it's been verified.
jamie vernon
It's not taken down or anything and there's no other info with it.
joe rogan
No, I'm 90% sure that that's what this is.
Because this has been verified.
tom segura
They're fucking her up, dude.
joe rogan
They fucked her up, dude, with sticks.
I mean, they're using those batons.
It's like...
The problem is power.
The problem is when you put in a law...
Dude, that is like fucking SWAT team.
It's Orwellian.
It's scary shit.
Because if you put in a law and you say you cannot violate this law, and then you make people enforce that law.
Well, the cops are going to do what they're supposed to do.
What they're supposed to do is go chase the people down that are violating the law.
tom segura
Those cops are ordered to do that.
joe rogan
Exactly, which is so fucked.
It's fucked across the board.
tom segura
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not good.
But this is what people who are libertarians and people that are very concerned about, you know, past history of these kind of tyrannical laws and draconian measures, this is what they're worried about.
Is this just human nature when you tell people that they can't do a certain thing and then you have to enforce that.
Well, how do you enforce it?
You enforce it with force.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
That was scary.
joe rogan
Scary shit, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Goddamn.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why when people say, you know, Texas is crazy for not having mandates.
No, no.
They're not telling you you can't wear a mask.
They're not telling you shouldn't get vaccinated.
What they're saying is the government is not going to force you to do anything.
That's good.
What's bad is what's happening in New York City when they're forcing people.
So now you have these business owners that are like, well, I have to stay open.
You're telling me that you're not even installing a logical position.
It's not even a logical law.
If it was a logical law, you'd say you have to be tested to come in here.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Because that's the only thing that really protects people.
tom segura
But the criticism on Texas is, too, that like...
By banning any type of mandate that they're basically not letting a place say you have to wear masks to come in here.
joe rogan
I think it's okay to do that, though.
I think a business is still allowed to do that.
tom segura
Are they?
joe rogan
I think a business is allowed.
tom segura
A school is not, though, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom segura
I don't think a school can.
joe rogan
My kids have to wear masks when they go to school.
tom segura
Yeah, my kids wear masks at school.
joe rogan
I don't think that's the case.
I don't think that they're stopping people from instituting their own regulations for whatever business they have.
Let's make sure that's true.
I think, like, if you have a restaurant, you can force people to have a mask if they want to enter into your restaurant.
I don't think you're allowed to have a vaccine mandate.
I think that is a different ballgame.
tom segura
That's different.
joe rogan
That's different.
But I think you're allowed to enforce masks.
I've seen places that say you have to wear a mask.
tom segura
Yeah, a private business, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've gone to private businesses that make you...
jamie vernon
Yeah, private businesses can, at state and local places, that would be differences.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can still do it if you want to.
tom segura
If you want to, yeah.
joe rogan
But what they're concerned, which is so ironic because this is the place where they're not concerned about interrupting a woman's reproductive rights or her right to choose.
Such a fucking wacky time, Tommy Bunz.
tom segura
It's wacky, man.
joe rogan
I'd rather be here, though.
I'd rather be here during this wackiness.
It seems like a more reasonable wackiness.
Other than the abortion law, which is horrible, it seems like a more reasonable wackiness.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, it's pick your wackiness when it comes to this shit now.
joe rogan
How do we get out of this?
How does this country pull out of this?
tom segura
I was just talking about the thing that I felt like changed so much over the course of my life was that, I mean, it was true that I was younger, so maybe I didn't have the right perspective on it.
But I felt like it used to be that people disagreed and they were like, well, all right.
And now you have to have contempt and hatred for who you don't agree with.
joe rogan
I think that's Trump.
I really do.
I think having Trump as president just broke people.
And then it became you have to fight against that.
unidentified
Pick sides.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You have to pick sides and you have to fight against that at all costs.
tom segura
He definitely had that effect.
I mean...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
He likes...
He's a vindictive guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And he likes the...
tom segura
It'll be interesting to see what happens in 2024. Because, you know, he's all fired up.
At least, you know, we're still a ways away from it.
But...
Talking about running again.
And then you'll actually have, for the first time, well, obviously, people will be running against him who were, like, big Trump people, who will have to trash him.
It's the nature of the primaries.
joe rogan
Right.
In terms of, like, right-wing people?
tom segura
Well, I mean, like, Nikki Haley and DeSantis, who were, like, well, Haley one time in the administration, DeSantis, like, big Trump guy, is going to be running against him.
joe rogan
Unless Trump and DeSantis team up.
In which case...
That might be a fucking shoo-in.
tom segura
Yeah?
joe rogan
Because you've got to remember, Biden is still deteriorating.
He's not going to get better over the next three years.
tom segura
But do you think he even entertains the idea of running again?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
But if he doesn't, Kamala Harris is not going to win.
tom segura
She's definitely not going to win.
joe rogan
They're hiding her.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
When was the last time you even saw her talk?
tom segura
No, I haven't.
joe rogan
She has the lowest approval rating of any vice president over the last 50 years.
tom segura
Yeah, it's really interesting.
joe rogan
It's really interesting because there's not one thing that you can point to that she's done that's a tremendous error.
tom segura
No, but this goes down to that whole thing of...
Remember, they said it during the W. Bush years.
I always heard the term or the expression, people vote for who they want to have a beer with.
And I think it becomes like a personality thing.
People must strongly dislike her personality.
I don't know.
I don't know what the reason is for her disapproval.
But it's curious, right?
Why do you dislike her that much?
Were her approval ratings so low?
joe rogan
Right, because there's not a thing that you can point to other than that laugh.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fucking laugh that she does whenever someone corners her on something.
She laughs at it and pretends it's ridiculous.
Maybe that's it.
Maybe that's it.
tom segura
That just goes back to personality.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Fuck.
joe rogan
Fuck.
I just wish there was like something that stood, like some person that stood out where you're like, that's our guy or that's our woman.
Like, there we go.
She's going to pull us out of this.
tom segura
It always amazes me.
Like, even coming up on the last election, where you go, like, in this country that has so much innovation, brilliant minds, amazing people, that you look at your pool, who to choose from, and you're like, this is the fucking pool?
This fucking JV squad is who we're fucking picking from?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Like, you don't see more, like, the best of the best.
I don't know, buddy.
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I don't know.
tom segura
Hey, what'd you think of my arm photos that I showed you backstage?
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
Oh, boy.
Tommy Buns showed me these photos that look like he got attacked by a werewolf.
Literally, it looked like he got shot through the arm by a.50 caliber.
tom segura
It really does.
joe rogan
There were huge holes.
And then when you showed me how the guy's making your nerves go...
tom segura
It's crazy, right?
joe rogan
How's it feel now?
tom segura
Well, I'm almost nine weeks out, so I got cleared to...
I can now pick up five pounds.
I can't extend still.
joe rogan
But it seems like it's moving better than it was before.
tom segura
Oh, it's definitely better.
It's definitely better.
It's not better than before the operation.
joe rogan
Give a shout-out to your doctor.
Who's that gentleman?
tom segura
Dr. Mitchell Suruya.
Brilliant guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Brilliant guy at Cedars.
unidentified
Amazing.
tom segura
He took the nerve from the underside, pushed it through, and connected it to a nerve here on the forearm.
It's wild.
And he did an interview with me.
joe rogan
Oh, on your podcast?
tom segura
No.
I went back to LA and filmed a segment with him where we show the photos and videos that's going to be on my live show, my next live show.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
tom segura
That we're doing live from the Paramount Theater here.
joe rogan
See, that's the one I'm going to be out of town for.
I want to do one of your live shows so bad.
tom segura
Do the one in November.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
tom segura
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, if I'm home.
The whole thing is just like schedule-wise.
tom segura
I'll give you the date.
If you can do it, you do it.
joe rogan
Please.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I love that you're doing that.
tom segura
It's so fun.
joe rogan
Your Mom's House Live is one of the best innovations to come out of the pandemic.
I think it's a brilliant idea.
The fact that you have these completely wild, uncensored videos...
tom segura
We have live shit on that one.
I can't say what it is, but people doing crazy shit live on stage that's going to be streaming live.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tom segura
I can't imagine.
unidentified
Music.
tom segura
Czarface is performing live.
Yeah, it's going to be a nutty show.
joe rogan
It's an amazing idea.
It's beautiful that you set up this infrastructure, too, where you can have these completely live shows that people pay for.
You do a pay-per-view thing.
tom segura
Ten bucks.
joe rogan
It's great, it's reasonable, and it's a really good show.
I know how much time you spend producing it.
You hired real producers.
tom segura
We have a whole team.
And then for that one, we are hiring a whole second camera op team.
So it'll be like a five, six camera shoot.
And in that theater, it's different when you do, like we used to do it from the studio, which we'll still do again.
But when you do it for a live audience, then you get like another level of energy.
unidentified
Gosh.
joe rogan
It's a brilliant idea, man.
And this is one of the cool things that has come out of the pandemic is that when Bert decided to innovate and do a drive-in movie show.
Incredible.
Yeah, all these different things that have happened where people have just said, you know what?
Let's figure our way around this.
tom segura
We adapted.
joe rogan
It's genius.
tom segura
Yeah.
We're really excited about it, man.
joe rogan
Well, and tell people when is that?
tom segura
This next one is September 22nd.
And if you go to livestream.ymhstudios.com, that's the ticket place.
And it'll be streaming live.
So it'll be, a live audience will be there, and then it'll be streaming live, and then you can watch it for, uh...
joe rogan
There it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your mom's house six.
Podcast live taping.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
It'll be nutty, man.
It'll be real crazy.
joe rogan
All right.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
tom segura
Let's do it, man.
It was fun.
joe rogan
All right, my brother.
Thank you so much.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
Always great to see you.
tom segura
Always good to see you, man.
joe rogan
Fun times.
tom segura
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Fellow COVID survivors.
The three of us in this room.
Yes.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
We did it.
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