Meghan Murphy, a Canadian journalist and feminist critic now based in Sayulita, Mexico, recounts her 2021 Twitter ban for opposing Bill C-16—legislation that erased biological sex distinctions in favor of gender identity claims—highlighting cases like Jessica Yaniv’s predatory behavior against women. She refuses to use preferred pronouns for men identifying as women, calling it a lie with no accountability, while Rogan compares it to woke authoritarianism, citing examples like Biden’s flawed memory or trans inmates exploiting female spaces. Both critique progressive media bias, where dissent is silenced under labels like "bigot" or "white supremacist," and Murphy’s ban paradoxically amplified her free-speech advocacy, proving Twitter’s ideological censorship over neutrality. [Automatically generated summary]
Yes, okay, so let me, this is my favorite booze, and not just my favorite Mexican booze, my all-time favorite booze, and nobody likes it except for me, so even in Sayulita, which is, oh, this is where I'm living now, I just outed myself.
I was one of the only people in Canada who was talking about gender identity critically.
I'm not saying that to big myself up.
It was very annoying because I obviously was targeted.
There was Jordan Peterson who spoke out and then there was me and then there was a couple other people.
And I was pretty vocal about it.
I first started talking about it back in like 2016, 2017, because the Liberal government was pushing through Bill C-16, which was our gender identity legislation.
So they were trying to, and succeeded in, because the bill passed, incorporate gender identity into the Human Rights Code and the Criminal Code.
And I went and testified against that bill To say, like, this bill shouldn't pass.
It'll have a negative impact on women's rights, which of course it did.
Like, it didn't specifically say, for example, you know, if you misgender somebody, that's a hate crime or hate speech or something like that.
All it did was to say that gender identity and gender expression essentially needed to be protected under the law, just like whatever race, other sort of marginalized identities or whatever.
And what we thought would happen, which did happen, is that it would sort of direct policy.
And it would mean that, you know, anybody could use any bathroom or change room.
It would mean that men would have to be allowed in transition houses and women's shelters if they identified as women.
It would mean that men could be transferred to female prisons if they identified as women.
Essentially, like, to me, the concept of gender identity nullifies sex.
Like, you can't have both.
You can't say, either you are a woman, and you're a woman because you're female, or you identify as a woman.
You can't do both.
And then anybody, of course, can identify as a woman.
I'm sort of going about this a long way.
But, yeah, I was just worried about the implications.
There's the example that I bring up when I talk about this idea that you can just ban people for saying things that are factually correct, maybe politically insensitive, you know, depending upon the current climate, but factually correct, biologically correct, scientifically correct.
Maybe you might say that it's not kind, but what is wrong with being, are we really deciding that there's certain rules that we want to apply in regards to progressive thinking that bypass or supersede biology?
Is that what we're doing?
Because when you say a man, if you say a man is never a woman, that's what you said?
I think there are people that have gender dysphoria and I think there are people that are happier if they identify as a woman, dress as a woman, are treated like a woman or use a woman's name and people describe them as a woman.
I think, I mean, sure, like I could buy that there's such a thing as gender dysphoria So you have some kind of, like, mental condition or mental illness.
I'm not trying to be mean, I swear to God.
Like, people get, like, triggered if you say, like, a mental illness.
But I'm like, you literally think you're something that you're not.
If you want to dress in women's clothes, if you want to wear makeup, if you want to get cosmetic surgeries, if you want to change your name, go for it.
Like, do whatever makes you feel better.
That's fine.
But I'm not going to lie to comfort you or whomever else.
So I don't even agree that, like...
Gender dysphoria means there's such a thing as a trans woman.
So maybe with a woman's photo and a woman's name that's not him.
And then they would realize that he was a man, I guess maybe if they talked to him on the phone or something like that, and they'd be like, no, sorry, we don't offer this service to men.
And he would accuse them of transphobia and essentially try to extort money out of them.
And when that didn't work, I guess he decided he wanted to, I mean, again, he's a crazy person, so we can't take this as representative of very much other than the fact that he's like a grifter and a crazy person.
But, you know, to take them all to the Human Rights Tribunal to say he's being discriminated against.
But this is exactly, exactly the perfect example of what happens if you just say anybody's a woman and you just have to accept it.
He has a penis.
He has balls.
He obviously looks like a man.
At that time, he was still using his male name in various places, like on Facebook, some other places.
I think on Twitter at that time, he was...
Maybe using both names.
But there was nothing to show me that he was a woman.
So I said, yeah, it's him.
I figured out that it was him.
And then I was permanently banned.
Yeah, and that was in November.
And that was it.
I appealed.
They were like, nope, sorry, hateful conduct.
Again, didn't tell me what rule I broke.
20 minutes after I was banned.
I was banned on Friday night.
I was at the bar.
I was like, what the fuck?
I'm trying to have fun!
20 minutes after I was banned, Pink News, which is like a LGBT queer news site, they post an article saying, Twitter has a new rule against misgendering and deadnaming.
And I was like, oh, this is a really funny coincidence that this went up 20 minutes after I was banned for some rule that they didn't specify, but I can only assume was misgendering.
Yeah.
Misgendering a man who's a predator and who is still going by his male name in various places on the internet.
People love those little acronyms, too, because it makes them feel like they're a part of some little group that knows these things and other people don't know these things.
I mean, technically, the word radical is meant in this context to get at the root.
So the difference, radical feminists would say, the difference between radical feminism and liberal feminism would be that they want to upend the whole system of patriarchy rather than just changing some of the surface things like legislation and things like that.
I mean, I don't think most of them are violent, but some of them are probably violent, or some of them would want a violent revolution to overthrow the patriarchy.
Like, they've shown up at my events before to protest, and they're quite threatening and, you know, I kind of do find them scary because I find them unhinged.
And they obviously have perpetrated violence.
Like, Antifa was responsible for a whole bunch of violence during all the BLM stuff in the summer.
And I, you know, I'm not as strong as you are because I'm female.
I also don't work out as much as you.
But, you know, like, if a scrawny Antifa guy wanted to beat me up, he probably could.
I always used to think of progressive people and people with progressive ideas as being compassionate people.
That's the reason why they had these progressive ideas, whether it's about welfare or whether it's about civil rights or equal rights, whatever it is.
I thought it was like compassionate, kind people that wanted other people to have better opportunities and do better.
But when you realize that it's, no, it's people who have decided upon a tribe and they've subscribed to a predetermined set of opinions and then they use that to be a fucking douchebag and attack other people.
That's a lot of what's going on with the right and the left, with both sides.
I mean, it's interesting because what they're doing is they're seeking power.
Like, I totally think you're right.
I think these are like ugly loser misfits who were unpopular in high school and are really fucking pissed off and want to get their revenge and so they're using politics to do it.
Yes.
But, you know, I like so I was a leftist my entire life.
I identified when I was a teenager, I think I identified as like a Marxist.
And then as a socialist, only recently, like within the past couple of years, have I been like, I don't think this is great.
Like, first of all, I don't want anything to do with these people.
But second of all, like, I don't know if capitalism is the worst thing in the world.
But I subscribed to these beliefs because I thought we were the nice people.
I thought we were the people who cared about people's well-being and happiness, about, obviously, equality and justice.
And I never even knew any right-wing people my whole life.
I grew up in Vancouver, which is a very progressive place.
My parents were super progressive.
I grew up atheist.
I didn't know religious people.
I didn't know right-wing people.
I almost really never even thought about them that much, but I just had decided...
So I understand these people, because I used to be like that.
I just thought that anybody that didn't see things my way were stupid.
We're assholes or we're greedy.
You know, like, you just don't care about helping out poor people.
You just care about yourself.
And, you know, obviously, over the past few years, I've seen the light.
And, you know, the left claims to be anti-hierarchy, right?
Which is stupid.
Like, hierarchies are natural.
You can't be anti-hierarchy.
That's not how the world works.
It's not how nature works.
But they claim to be opposed to power, essentially.
And meanwhile, all that they're doing is trying to hold power over everybody else and force everybody else to not even...
I don't even know if they care that people believe what they're saying.
They just want them to say it.
They just want them to repeat the mantras like they're in a cult.
There's a big aspect, a big cult-like aspect to this.
Yeah, it's a strange time because through social media people get to find other people that agree with them and they form these little attack groups.
They form these little echo chambers and they reinforce their opinions and they use that to target people that they find that disagree with them or they find that have opposing viewpoints.
And the way they do it is really nasty.
It's really nasty and really shitty and it's not compassionate at all.
It's not in a line with anything that I ever thought of as being progressive or being open-minded or liberal.
It's not like that.
It's like they're using their ideological differences they have with other people as an excuse to be a shitty person.
So most of my work before I started writing about gender identity, I was writing about...
Like, I run a feminist website for 10 years now.
I would write mostly about, like, violence against women, domestic abuse, but I did a lot of writing around pornography and prostitution.
And, you know, I'm opposed to the porn industry.
I personally don't like porn, but I think the porn industry is, like, pretty disgusting and exploitative and unethical.
I think it's obviously incredibly misogynistic, it's racist.
I think porn, I know you didn't ask me about this, but too bad.
I think porn's bad for men, I think it's bad for relationships, for the most part.
In any case, I did a lot of writing around pornography, about prostitution.
I advocate for a model that's called the Nordic Model, which criminalizes essentially the exploiters, so it criminalizes pimps, johns, broth owners, traffickers.
And decriminalizes the women.
So it sees women as essentially victims of prostitution for the most part.
Of course I'm aware that some women choose it.
And tries to punish the people who take advantage of vulnerable women essentially.
And this is what the left was really angry at me about for the most part but they also of course accused me of being like a white supremacist and a transphobe and everything else because they like to just pile everything.
I was talking to my friend Ari about this and he was saying that he knows people in New York specifically where girls have men that they have sex with For money.
They've become friends with them and they have like these little relationship deals with them where they'll meet them and then maybe these guys have other relationships or maybe these guys are really busy and they don't want a relationship for whatever reason.
They just want to pay for sex and have it a clean transaction and these women will do it with like several different guys and that is how they get by.
And they like it.
They don't have pimps.
They don't have prostitutes.
And this sounds very utopian, right?
It sounds like very...
Like, best case scenario for the girl, best case scenario for the guy.
Like, we're painting this with rose-colored glasses, right?
Like, everybody loves it.
It's great.
There's no icky side effects, and there's no misogyny, and there's no...
Well, and it is better than working at Wendy's financially, probably.
I think that that relationship and that transaction is totally unhealthy and inhumane, and I think that it obviously treats sex as something that is separate from the human.
Separate from the human?
So, you're having sex with somebody, but you're not engaging in a relationship with them.
You're just using their body, essentially.
Which I think is weird, because we're more than just bodies.
We're not like, you know, our brains are, you know, it's all connected.
We have emotions, we have desires, we have feelings.
And I think if you're having sex with somebody, you sort of need to be accountable to them in some way and be considering that they have feelings and desires and needs of their own.
I don't think that it's healthy for sex to be treated as just a physical thing.
And I'm not saying Like, sex can't just be fun and just a physical thing.
But, you know, I don't think it has to be like this romantic exchange every time.
It's not like you have to be married, like you have to be like staring into each other's eyes and like, I love you, I love you, I love you.
But I think that it's a really unhealthy thing for society to normalize sex as being something transactional.
And I think these women probably are going to have problems down the line.
Like, it's like, yeah, right now this might be fine.
Same thing with women who do porn are like, oh yeah, this is fine, great.
And it's like, okay, talk to me in 10 years and tell me how you feel when you reflect back.
Like, the decisions that we make, we can make all sorts of bad decisions when we're 20. And this can be applicable to probably casual sex, too.
I think that there are kind of mental and emotional repercussions from engaging in those kinds of relationships that people pretend don't exist.
I don't think that it could make you feel really good about yourself when a man is like paying for access to your body and not considering you as a human and how you feel and what you actually want.
And you're having sex that you don't enjoy.
Why would you want to have sex that you don't enjoy?
And to be honest, like, I... I'm totally changing the subject again.
I'm sorry.
I'm very bad at staying on track.
But I started to question feminism and the work that I was doing because I started to feel like there were questions that I couldn't answer and I wasn't being challenged enough.
So I appreciate you challenging me on this stuff, but I've sort of started to move away from feminism a bit in the past few years, partly because I just felt like I was repeating myself over and over and over again and like preaching to the choir and none of these people were asking me any questions.
And I was like, if I was having an argument with somebody who like didn't believe in patriarchy, they were like, what's a patriarchy?
I was like, would I be able to answer that question?
I don't actually think I can, so maybe I should stop saying this word over and over and over again.
But I don't agree with this delusion that everybody is capable of the same things, has the same skills, and they do that in feminism a lot.
They sort of pretend like everyone should have an equal say, and it's a really big problem within the movement.
I'm getting sort of meta here a bit, but You know, feminism can be very, like, pro-collective and advocates, you know, like, collective decision-making and things like that, which is crazy because if you're working in a collective and some women are, you know, 50 or 60 years old, they've been doing this work for a really long time.
If you're 50 or 60 years old, you probably know in general a lot more about Life and your work than a 20-year-old does.
And yet, within a collective, everybody has an equal say.
So, you know, the 20-year-old who just joined your collective has just as much to say and it's equally as legitimate as what this 60-year-old...
Yeah, I have all these problems with feminism that I've sort of been trying to like address and articulate of late and I've gotten pretty attacked over it because people are used to me saying a certain thing and I've stopped saying those things and started asking questions and challenging things and people don't like it when you do that.
And then if you step out, you were an ally, air quotes, and then all of a sudden you step out of the orthodoxy and you're starting to...
Say, well, maybe this is bullshit because maybe young people are filled with hubris and maybe one of the reasons why they're into Marxism is because they haven't accumulated any wealth yet and they would like everybody to have no wealth because they don't have any wealth.
And then as you see, as they gain wealth, which is one of the more slippery things about people as they get older, people that used to be Marxists and then they start like selling books and start doing well.
And then they're like, I'm not really into this anymore.
I like having money.
I kind of like to keep this money.
Well, that fucking lady from Black Lives Matter that was a trained Marxist and turns out she's got a multimillionaire real estate portfolio.
Well, it's very rewarding when your effort gets paid off by something very tangible, like financial success.
And the idea that we're not all in it for some sort of reinforcement, whether it's monetary reinforcement, societal reinforcement, When you're doing something and you're putting out work, you're doing it for incentives.
You're not just doing it to just survive.
What am I, a fucking animal?
I only need enough meat to survive and enough water to drink so I can stay hydrated?
And who gets to decide that?
So if we pass that and you can accumulate more things, you could buy nice clothes, you could buy a TV, you could get a computer, who's to decide where that ends?
And how do you regulate this?
And who gets to regulate it?
And if you look at the loudest voices, they're usually the laziest fucks.
The laziest or the youngest or the ones who just haven't been successful at life.
This idea, and Jordan Peterson talks about this all the time, it's an infuriating idea of an equality of outcome.
Because there's no way that it's ever going to work.
But some people want that.
They want an equality of outcome in terms of financial success or life success.
There's not an equality of effort.
And this is the whole reason why we have innovation and why our society moves forth and why people put in a lot of effort and make extraordinary leaps and gains in their life.
Yeah, and I mean, the idea that, like, you shouldn't have to work hard.
I mean, working hard to achieve something like financial success is great.
Because, yeah, why would you do all this work for nothing, just out of the good of your heart?
Like, most people aren't going to do that.
Maybe there's some people who are incredibly charitable, but most people aren't going to do that.
But also, you know, it sort of erases the reality that, like, working really hard and achieving something and getting better at something is actually very, like, self-fulfilling.
It's really good for your confidence.
It helps you get to know yourself, which also builds confidence.
And this is what these leftists are all doing, essentially.
All of these, I mean, especially the younger leftists.
It's like, you shouldn't have to challenge yourself.
You shouldn't have to do anything that scares you.
You shouldn't have to do anything that's hard.
You should be comfortable all the time and everything should just be given to you.
I mean, all these, what is it, like Generation Z? I almost said Millennials, but every time I say Millennials, people scream at me and they're like, we're not Millennials!
I'm like, okay, whatever.
Everybody who's younger than me who's bad.
They complain constantly about not having anything.
Have you noticed that online?
It's like, oh, all these older people with their houses and their money and their jobs and all we have is debt and climate change and nothing.
That's part of the culture of, you know, participation trophies and this coddled helicopter parent culture where kids Haven't experienced, you know, in general.
They haven't experienced as much hardship as people of previous generations.
As much difficulty in getting through life.
And also they've been told, each one of them, that they're special and unique.
And told things like body positivity, which is one of my favorites.
I think if you actually tried to explain what non-binary means, which most of them can't in any kind of cohesive way, you would discover that everybody is a bit non-binary.
Like, I don't subscribe fully to femininity.
You know, I'm obviously not a very passive person.
Okay, so in Sayulita, like I think people who actually live there year-round is probably, I'm probably going to get this wrong, but like maybe around like 2,500.
Well, I assume it has something to do with COVID and how well he thinks he's handled COVID. And he hasn't.
He's been the worst.
I mean, their shutdowns in Canada were...
Psycho and never-ending and destroyed so many businesses, so many small businesses.
We've all been miserable.
This is literally why I left the country.
The politics in Canada are terrible and the Liberal Party are also right now trying to push through all these anti-free speech bills.
And I honestly got scared that I was like, I'm not going to be able to work here.
I'm going to get arrested.
There's two bills, I think, Bill C36 and Bill C10. And one of them is to regulate online speech.
So what it would do is it would force platforms like YouTube or Twitter or Facebook to take down content that the Canadian government deemed to be hate speech.
So basically everything that I do.
Because they're on board with all this gender identity shit, right?
And you also, it's basically, it's practically illegal to say anything critical about COVID or vaccines and all of that stuff.
And the other one is about changing hate speech laws.
I mean, they're working so hard to limit free speech in Canada, and nobody cares.
Canadians are the most passive people I have ever encountered, and they have no idea why any of these things are important.
Before I moved to Mexico, I was thinking about moving to the US, like to Texas, for example, because I think it's going in a really, really dangerous direction and nobody's doing anything or saying anything, or very few people in any case.
And this is our, you know, progressive, like, feminist prime minister.
People really, really trust the government.
So all these ongoing restrictions that were happening during COVID, they...
People genuinely believe that the government has their best interests in mind, and they think that if they just keep following the rules, then things will work out for them, even if that's irrational, even if they've seen, we've been following the rules this whole time, and nothing's changed, we're not being given our freedoms back, in fact, they're working to take away more of our freedoms, you know.
You can't!
It's illegal to say that you can't gather with other people, like you can't have religious gatherings, that you can't go to church, that you can't protest.
And that's what they did over COVID, right?
Like this BLM protest that happened during COVID is fine.
But this, you know, like anti-lockdown protest is illegal, essentially.
I don't know how it works in Canada, but you can't do that.
But he did it.
And this is the same guy that just made a vaccine passport.
And I have a real problem because I have a show there in Madison Square Garden in October and I've already sold 13,000 tickets.
And now they say that everybody has to be vaccinated.
And I want everybody to know that you can get your money back.
I don't know what to do.
I'm stuck in this situation.
If someone has an ideological or a physiological reason for not getting vaccinated, I don't want to force them to get vaccinated to see a fucking stupid comedy show.
I think there's some interesting evidence that shows that prophylactically it's very effective.
It's very effective to stop people from getting it.
There was a study out of Argentina I believe, where they give it to frontline healthcare workers.
And the healthcare workers that took it, it was like 100% of them didn't get COVID. And the ones that didn't, I believe it was almost half of them got it.
Somewhere in the neighborhood of half of them got it and half of them didn't get it.
But I mean, the point is that ivermectin is an option that's essentially been banned in North America, whereas in Mexico, you can buy it over the counter at a pharmacy for real cheap.
And supposedly, I mean, there is research that shows that it helps.
And yet, in North America, they're just pushing vaccine, vaccine, vaccine.
Yeah, there's options for treatment, and the big one that I've been pushing from the beginning is, God, if there's ever been a wake-up call where you have clear reason to take care of your body, now's the time.
Like, please, if you're listening to this, lose weight.
Please exercise.
Please take vitamins.
Please eat healthy foods.
Please.
That will have a significant impact in your ability to withstand anything.
Not just this virus, but all viruses.
All colds.
You'll have a more resilient body.
You'll have a better immune system.
This is all proven stuff.
This is not voodoo.
Like, if you eat well and sleep well and take vitamins and exercise, you have a better immune system.
There's like basic practical things that you can do.
I mean, there's basic practical things that you can do, obviously, to improve your health and to avoid, you know, getting real sick if you get COVID or whatever.
But there's also like basic, this frustrates me a lot, there's basic practical things that you can do to help your own mental health.
You know, so this thing where it's like we throw prescriptions at people for everything.
We do that for, you know, physical health reasons, but we also do this for mental health reasons.
And it's like, you know, it seems really weird to me that so many people are really, really depressed and they all need to be on drugs for depression.
And I would like to offer exercise, doing something useful with your life that makes you feel good about yourself and productive and like you've succeeded.
Like try to learn and become better at like a new skill.
In fact, there was a study that showed that physical exercise was as effective, if not more effective, for treating depression statistically than SSRIs.
See if you can find that.
It was a rigorous cardiovascular exercise as or more effective than SSRIs to treat depression.
Okay, so what I was going to say is that I haven't always, I'm going to be honest, I haven't always been a big exerciser.
I spent a very long time not exercising at all.
And, you know, a lot of that just had to do with the fact that, you know, like when I was younger, I was like when I was a teenager, when I was in my 20s, I was like naturally thin.
So I just didn't really have any reason to.
And then, you know, once you get older and your metabolism slows down, you start putting on weight and you're like, Oh shit, I guess I have to start exercising.
But what I learned, and again, you know, when I got to, I was working with a boxing trainer in Vancouver before I went to Sayalita and I swam laps and I was doing some strength training, which I really enjoyed a lot.
And then when I got to Sailita, I found Chris in Quilombo and started working with him.
And I really love it a lot.
It's fun.
I mean, I feel like I want to kill myself every time I go and lay down and die.
And I complain a lot the whole time.
I know you don't like complaining, but I'm a big fan of complaining.
But...
You know, like, it makes me feel...
Like, if I ever feel any kind of, like, anxiety or if I'm feeling sad about...
Like, it makes me feel so much better.
I feel so much better about myself.
I mean, just in terms of really basic stuff, like building muscles and you can feel your body changing, which is cool.
But in terms of...
I don't have major mental health issues, which I'm grateful for.
Like, I've never had big issues with depression or anxiety or anything like that.
But...
It just, you know, if I don't want to go, I'm like, okay, I gotta go.
Like, I feel like, I'm like, I feel bad.
I feel sad.
Like, I don't want to stay in bed.
It always, always makes me feel so much better.
And I just wish that people understood.
Like, it's not a lie.
It really, and it makes you feel better about yourself that you're doing something that's hard for you and that you're doing it even if you don't want to go.
Like, even if you're feeling lazy and you're like, I don't want to go.
I think what you're doing too, like boxing, is so good because there's something about hitting a thing, like a punching bag, that is so stress relieving.
I don't think that regrets are very useful, but I genuinely regret not having started boxing way, way, way earlier, just because, you know, when you start doing something like that in your 40s, you're just never going to be that good.
Like, you're always going to be a bit slow, and I really wish...
Okay, well, I hurt my knee doing Taekwondo when I was like in my early 20s and never went to physio and I was having issues with it.
This is the least interesting thing I've ever said in my life.
I was having like, I had like this issue, actually a really gross issue with my knee when I was in high school.
So I'd be like running or playing basketball or something and my kneecap would move out of the way, which would cause me to fall down and was very painful.
Weightlifting and squats and those sorts of exercises are great but what he's emphasizing is A very specific range of motion with lifting weights that strengthens the knee when you put the knee in positions where it's generally thought of as being more unstable, like when your knees are over your toes.
That's why his knees over toes guy.
And the idea is to like get it so that your knee can be very strong through the entire range of motion.
So if you look at someone like who's jumping, like he uses basketball as an example and it's a great example because you know when you're in the middle of like if someone's dribbling the ball and they're cutting left or right there's often times where your knee is in these like unstable positions or when you're jumping And landing,
you know, your knee is over your toes and his idea is to strengthen the knee in all of these ranges of motion where you traditionally would be weak and make your knees and all the surrounding muscles strong so that you can move in any direction and never have a problem with that sort of instability.
I really hope that my trainer didn't tell me about this and I forgot and now he's going to kill me because he's going to be watching and be like, I told you!
He's doing it with just body weight and he's going way deep.
But that's the way to do it.
If you can do that, you can get to a point where, you know, and you obviously you build up to it slowly and he has like a whole system where you start out very slowly and, you know, you progress towards what he calls dense strength.
And these positions like he's doing now, I do that all the time.
I work at it all the time.
It's really great for developing range of motion, strength, flexibility.
Watch this shit that he can do because this is so bizarre.
He can go all the way down there like this and then pops all the way back up.
Like if I was like talking to a friend and they identified as she and they were a man, then I don't feel like I would be super inclined to be like he, he, he, he.
But I feel like in public it has wider repercussions and I feel like it participates in this greater lie that if you identify as the opposite sex, that's what you are.
And I feel also that it's unnecessary.
So I feel like it plays into this idea that it's offensive to say what I say, for example.
So the fact that I called Yaniv him or You know, I refuse to use correct pronouns.
Unless it's like on a personal level, then I don't care.
I feel like it sells out people who don't use correct pronouns.
I feel like it plays into and reinforces this idea that it's offensive and it's not offensive.
To call a man he isn't offensive.
To call a male a man isn't offensive.
You're just stating a neutral fact.
So I sort of feel like the more people that participate in that, the more it does make it seem like a crazy, offensive, hateful, really mean thing to say if you don't use correct pronouns.
And I feel like that's a standard that's been set by companies like Twitter.
People often say to me, they act like I'm being stupid when I talk about this.
They're like, who cares?
You got kicked off of Twitter.
No big deal.
And it is a big deal for me because I'm independent.
Like, I don't work for anybody.
I don't have some other job.
I've built my own platform.
I've created my own audience.
This is how I make an income.
So it does matter to me in that sense.
But it's also that it's, like, set a precedent, right?
Like, it says, people will say, oh, Megan's hateful.
Like, Megan's a really bad person.
Megan's transphobic.
She even got kicked off Twitter.
So, and, you know, because it sort of seeped into journalism, for example, so people will report stories about pedophiles and rapists and abusers and use their preferred pronouns because that's like the polite thing to do.
I feel like, I'm not trying to be like, I came here to call you out, but I do...
I think people don't understand why it matters sometimes.
So they don't understand why I'm doing it because they're like, why don't you just be nice?
And one of the problems with new things like this is that people, they want to reinforce it to the point where it's like doctrine, you know, like where there's no getting around it, like this is the rule and you have to abide by that rule or you're a piece of shit.
When it comes to men with beards and penises and testicles that want you to call them a woman, aren't you just crazy?
What is going on here?
You're saying you want me to call you a woman, but you have a full beard.
Like, I was looking at this one person, I don't need to name this person, but there's this one person that said, you know, that some women have penises, and if you don't like that, you can suck my dick.
I'm like, you're throwing it in everybody's face that they have to accept that there's no way you're a woman.
You're clearly exhibiting all these masculine characteristics, but yet you want to be defined as a woman because you want to be special.
Because you want special treatment and maybe you do have gender dysphoria and maybe you do enjoy wearing a beard as well with your gender dysphoria, but there's also something about you that enjoys this authoritarian aspect of this forcing people to comply with calling you a woman.
It's fucking strange because there are definitely people with legitimate gender dysphoria that want to be a woman and they're biologically male.
And then there's grifters.
There's crazy people.
There's people that have locked onto this movement and they recognize that there's this thing that's happening now.
Where if someone says this, you can't say anything about them.
Like, you can't criticize their behavior, you can't criticize the way they communicate or discuss, because this person is now in a protected class, because it's a trans woman.
And so they can act bat shit fucking crazy.
Whereas if they were just a man, you'd be like, that guy's a fucking asshole.
But since it's a trans woman, you're like, everyone backs off because they don't want this anti-trans label attached to them.
Yeah, and I think you're right that there is, like, something that they enjoy about having that kind of power, and nobody can challenge them, and it's like, bow down.
I mean, the other part of it that people don't talk about is that, like, a lot of these guys have fetishes.
Like, some of them are mentally ill.
Some of them are just liars, and they're just trying to, like, Charlotte Clymer.
A very small group of people that misrepresent my stance on things, too, by the way.
They characterized me in a very...
It's a caricature of who I am versus the actual words that I say and why I say them.
And you take things out of context and try to pretend that I'm an anti-trans person or homophobic.
None of those things are true.
So even their motivation for doing it was just they don't want any gray area.
My own...
The only dispute about trans people came because of a trans woman who was competing as a female in MMA fights without telling these women that she's fighting that she was a man for 30 fucking years and just recently became a trans woman and was beating the shit out of them.
Okay, so the chick that won at the weightlifting competition, at the press conference, they asked her, like, so, like, what do you think about this historic moment when a trans, whatever they said, was competing?
And she just doesn't say anything.
She's like...
No, thank you.
That's the greatest thing I've ever seen.
But you know, like they weren't down.
They were like, and how insulting to be like, you know, she won and you're going to say like, oh, isn't it amazing that a man tried to compete against you?
If we can get to a point where there's a complete understanding of all the processes that are involved in taking a fetus and having it become a grown adult, and if we can...
Bypass some of those processes in a male to convert a male to a female, or a female to convert a female to a male.
That's not outside the realm of possibility.
Literal artificial biological life is not outside the realm of possibility.
My point is, it's not here.
My point is, if one day it happens, then you'll have a real woman.
It'll really be a woman.
You'll be able to turn someone with an XY chromosome into someone with an XX chromosome.
How the fuck are you going to do it?
I don't know.
Look, we can make nuclear bombs.
We send video through the air.
If people keep working on things, I don't think it's an insurmountable obstacle.
When that happens...
Then we'll be dealing with a completely different thing.
Because then you will be like, one day I'll see you and I'm like, when did you become a dude?
Imagine if you really felt like you should have been a man this whole time, and then someone can actually give you some gene therapy, and you actually do become a man.
I was talking to a friend of mine on the podcast about if there was a time where you could give someone a pill.
And it would alleviate gender dysphoria.
Like imagine if gender dysphoria was something where they isolated it and they thought, oh, there's a protein that's off or we figured out how to do this.
And through this medication, you will no longer have gender dysphoria and it's permanent.
Well, and also, I mean, yeah, and they all, I felt, I mean, I had sort of a different perspective than you did.
Maybe this is like because you're a man and I'm a woman, but I was like, this guy is kind of like he wants more attention and he's mad that he's not getting attention and all these chicks are getting all the attention and he's like, I know how to get attention.
It's older, but I think it was in Vanity Fair or something like that.
And he would talk about, like, he would wear pantyhose under his pants.
Like, he was really into wearing women's clothes.
And that's what autogynophilia is.
Like, it's having a fetish for...
Dressing like a woman or imagining yourself as a woman like it turns you on.
And there's research.
Ray Blanchard did research around this.
He's a sexologist.
And found that essentially, like, all trans women were either...
You know, effeminate men or gay men, or they were autogonophiles, and the men who transitioned when they were younger were the effeminate gay men, and the men who transitioned when they were older, like 40s, 50s, 60s, were the autogonophiles, so who have, like, this fetish.
And, of course, he's been, like, canceled many times over, because that's not something that you're supposed to talk about.
But usually what happens with the older guys who transition, it's, like, about that fetish.
And again, whatever.
Like, honestly, do what you want.
Do whatever makes you happy.
But stop trying to lie and say, like, I'm a woman on the inside.
This is the thing, is that men transitioning to women use male tactics and male behavior as they invade feminist spaces.
And that's one of the things that I have seen that women get really kind of freaked out by, is that trans women then join these women groups and dominate them like men do.
They have male minds.
They have years and years of having gonads and having testosterone flow through their body and all of the hypersexual things that come from that.
And one thing that comes from being a biological male is they generally tend to be more aggressive.
They tend to be more assertive.
They tend to Try to dominate whenever possible if left unchecked and if their egos are not well managed.
But the big complaint that I hear from women, especially women that get labeled as TERFs, is that these trans women invade these traditionally just biological women groups and they sort of handle them like a man.
Like, it's like, okay, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they just want to be accepted and they want validation and they genuinely believe they're a woman, so they want to be treated like a woman, so they want to be in the change room with all the other women.
But I think, I mean, who is actually that delusional?
But I do, I think that there's something predatorial just in that, in the wanting to be in those spaces where they know that women don't want them there.
Like, where they know that they're making women uncomfortable and they're doing it anyway.
When my children were young, I have all daughters, and when they were young, one of the weird things was if they have to go potty and it's just me, I can't just send them into the women's room.
And I can't go into the women's room with them.
So I have to take them into the men's room.
So I'm talking like carry them, you know, like this age, right?
So I'm like either holding a hand and walking with them or I'm carrying them into the male bathroom.
And even then, it seems weird.
You know, it seems...
Like, I remember thinking, like, I can't wait until this stops.
Because it just...
I don't want to bring my little baby daughter into a room full of dudes.
I didn't feel like I was in danger or she was in danger.
I didn't feel like that.
But I was like, this is...
Obviously this is like a societal thing, right?
This is a cultural thing.
Because in some cultures they have open bathrooms and men and women share bathrooms and that's just always how it's been.
But it's not how it's been in America.
So when I'm carrying a little girl or walking with a little girl into the men's room, it's weird.
You know, Louis C.K. had a bit about taking his daughter to the bathroom and that, like, two guys are shitting right next to, like, he's got her on the potty, and two guys are, like, having these horrible shits in the left side and the right stall.
But you should feel a bit odd about that, and I don't even think you need to be able to explain why.
The sports thing has been, I think, probably the best in terms of opening up this conversation about men can't become women, or maybe there's a problem with a man identifying as a woman.
Because people don't need an explanation.
Like, people inherently will just look at this guy and be like, eh, no, this is not fair.
Like, you don't need an ideology.
You don't need to be a feminist.
You don't need to really, to just see, like, you don't need to know about biology.
Because there's no perceived, and not even perceived, let's be real, it's a fucking advantage.
There's a giant advantage.
There's an advantage in tendon strength.
There's an advantage in the shape of the hips.
There's an advantage of years and years and years of having...
Huge levels of testosterone pumping through your system in terms of a biological female.
It's like if you took a woman and you put her on steroids for 30 years, and then she got off steroids for a year and she was competing against women in sports, women would be like, this is fucking bullshit.
This lady's been cheating her whole life, and now all of a sudden she's off the steroids, so I'm supposed to just accept her as a normal physiological female.
Well, it's not.
She's obviously been enhanced.
That's the same thing that if you grow up with testicles your whole life.
And again, no one gives a fuck if some trans man wants to compete in the NBA. Good luck!
Get on in there.
A trans man who wants to compete in mixed martial arts.
Well, you know the problem with trans men competing in mixed martial arts or something like that is you wouldn't be able to because it's not legal to take testosterone.
So you literally wouldn't be able to.
You know, Texas has a really wacky way of looking at it, where there was a trans man, well, trans boy, I guess you would say, in high school wrestling.
So this was a biological female that was taking testosterone, but they wouldn't let her compete as a boy.
So they made her compete against girls while she was taking testosterone.
So she's, you know, ragdolling these girls because she's on the juice.
Like, literally.
And, you know, everybody was mad.
But they were mad at the girl.
And I'm like, well, is that her fault?
You know, she'd really let this girl who wants to be a boy and is taking testosterone, let her compete against boys.
Let's see what happens.
No one would care.
No one on the boy's side would care, is my opinion, is my position.
And that's why this is such a fucking loaded issue, is because we know males have a physical advantage in running, in lifting weights, in most sports that involve power.
And you can explain why, you can talk to a scientist, you can talk to a doctor, and they'll explain why.
But everybody knows, everybody knows that men are stronger and bigger than women for the most part.
And likewise, I just think that, I think it's crazy, it makes me feel crazy to even have to explain to people that a man shouldn't have access to a change room.
Or that a man shouldn't be in a transition house with women who are escaping violence.
Well, the woke ideology is so fucking weird that they literally have allowed men who are sexual abusers to transition to women and be incarcerated with women.
This is a real thing.
That is so outside of any logic.
That's such a crazy way to handle it.
That you go, oh, you're a woman now?
Sure.
Guy who has sexually assaulted women, who has a history of this, is in jail for it, we're going to put you in with women.
There's a woman in Canada, Heather Mason, who's doing activism around this, and she was incarcerated for many years.
And even before this was an issue, this was starting to become an issue, where men who identified as women were being transferred into male prisons, and sexual assaults did happen.
You know, there was like a fucking baby rapist in there with like a mom and the baby, like in some kind of middle, I don't, obviously not in the prison prison, but like, you know, like they're putting dangerous men who are predators, who are rapists, who are serial predators in with these women, these women who are really vulnerable.
I mean, think about the kind of women who are in prison, like these are Actually, you care about marginalization.
Who's in prison?
Like, the most marginalized women in the entire country are going to be the ones who are in women's prisons.
And then you stick, like, a super violent rapist in there with them?
I mean, obviously it makes him look like an idiot, but it also makes Canadians vote for this guy.
They support him, and they're probably going to vote for him again.
You think so?
Okay, listen.
I, as I said, I'm a lifelong leftist.
I voted for the NDP. That's our leftist party.
That's like our labor party, basically, in Canada.
My anthem.
My entire life, like, as soon as I was legal to vote when I was 18, provincially and federally, in every single election, I voted for the NDP. Last election, I didn't vote at all because I was like, I can't in good faith vote for the Liberals or the NDP, and I didn't feel comfortable voting for the Conservative Party because I care about, like, healthcare.
This year, I'll vote Conservative.
Like, somebody who was, like, a crazy, like, I was, like, an extreme leftist.
For all of my life until, you know, two or three years ago, I'll vote conservative because these people are so unethical and so dangerous.
So dangerous.
unidentified
Like they're getting rid of our rights, our free speech.
The erosion of civil rights is the most disturbing aspects of it because they're willing to accept the erosion of rights and civil liberties because it aligns with whatever ideology they're pushing.
Yeah.
You're seeing that in America.
You're seeing that in a different realm with this whole COVID vaccine passport thing.
There's people that are accepting this idea that the government's going to be able to dictate whether or not you go to places, whether or not you could eat dinner, whether or not you could do things.
Depending upon your vaccination status, when they know that there's people that have gone through COVID and have natural immunity and it's just as robust, if not better.
That's a fact.
They know it, but yet they still are willing to accept these restrictions that you're going to give this new power to the government.
And this government is now going to be able to dictate whether or not you're able to do things.
And they like it.
These fucking people that become governors and mayors, they like telling people what to do.
It's part of the fun of the gig that they can tell people.
Now, as the mayor of New York, I have decided you have to do this or you can't do that.
And it's real creepy that it's only about someone getting injected with the vaccine.
It's not about...
You're not going up to obese people.
And saying, you fucked this up.
You fucking fatso, you get sick too easy, and you're coughing on everybody, and you're spreading it everywhere, and people around you that aren't fat, they're not getting sick.
So you fucked this up because you're a spreader.
You're not hearing that, right?
You're not hearing people get upset at other people for their personal choices.
Well, I mean, there's probably a bunch of different biological reasons and different people.
Sugar and alcohol both have a lot in common.
They both cause dehydration, and they're both processed through the liver.
These commonalities mean that when combined, sugary alcoholic drinks produce a much more severe hangover than alcohol alone.
So, like, sangria would fuck you up?
There are many theories as to why sugary alcoholic beverages seem to result in a worse hangover than lower sugar counterparts, but no real proof positive.
Daiquiris, sweet martinis, and Mai Tais all contain sugar and alcohol.
The thing that I've noticed is if I drink electrolyte drinks, electrolyte supplements, during and after the booze, it has a giant impact on what kind of headaches I have.
Yeah, that is interesting because, yeah, I'll drink electrolytes after, like, if I've been out the night before and it does help a lot, but I didn't think about the sugar thing.
Yeah, like electrolytes like liquid IV, which is my favorite one, has a very specific ratio of glucose to sodium and all the different electrolytes, potassium and whatnot.
And it's like the scientifically designed way they've incorporated these things so it enters into your bloodstream quicker and more effectively and rehydrates you better.
But also right now is the rainy season, so there's like crazy thunderstorms almost every night, and that also doesn't help with things like power and Wi-Fi.
So it's a bit sketchier, but I have been able to manage to do it, which is great, because I really don't want to go back to Canada ever again.
Yeah, it's fear and lack of control because I find that, like, so some of my friends are genuinely fearful about COVID and they're like, if I get COVID, I'm going to die.
And I'm like, you're not going to die.
You're not going to die.
You're the same age as me.
You don't have, like, diabetes.
You're not going to die of COVID. But there's a lot of people, I think, who just feel like they have no control over the situation, so they don't know what to do.
So I think they try to control other people or police other people.
And that's their form of control.
Or their form of control is following the rules.
Okay, just like shut down my brain, put my mask on, stay in my apartment, don't go anywhere.
Like, you know, they just don't know what to do.
And to me, like, that's not my nature.
My nature is the opposite of that.
So I don't totally relate, but...
Yeah, Canadians, very passive, very interested in going along, very interested in being told what to do, and it's really dangerous.
I feel like everybody needs to reread 1984. Actually, when I got to Mexico, the first book that I read, the last time I'd read it was in college or maybe even high school or something, and I reread it, and it was terrifying.
And even like that idea of, you know, going along with something that you know to be untrue, you know, you know that person's not really a woman, but you're just going to say it, you know, that's like that step in that direction.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
And, you know, yeah, it's just it's really depressing and scary how many people haven't paid attention to history and can't see the path that they're going down.
Well, what's weird to me was that it was one of the first things that Biden did in getting into office was to make it so that high school kids can compete in the gender that they identify with.
All the shit that's wrong in this country right now, all the issues that we're facing, that's one of the first things you do.
I mean, fair, but I just mean people voted for him.
You know, feminists that I know voted for him.
Like feminists who have been working against this gender identity shit for a long time and who have been fighting it still voted for Biden because they're like, oh, well, not Trump.
Trump's awful.
And I don't like Trump.
But I, for sure, I didn't vote in this election.
I actually am an American citizen, but I've never lived in America before, so I've not actually voted.
But, like, I said, you know, like, I was like, if I lived in the U.S., I would vote for Trump because I think Biden's scarier, partly because of the gender identity stuff, which, again, he promised to do.
He said, you know, one of the first things that I'll do if I win the election is Is to, you know, make it so that boys and men can compete against girls and women in sports.
And he did.
And, you know, the fact that he's obviously in bed with big tech.
And it's like, I may not like Trump and I may think he's an idiot or an asshole or like a buffoon, but I don't at all think that he's as dangerous as Biden.
And people really freaked out at me over that.
And I was just like, why would you vote for somebody who's going to take away all of your rights?
And has promised to take away all your rights.
You're destroying sex-based rights.
Sorry, not all of your rights.
I shouldn't say that.
But take away sex-based rights.
You're a woman.
And you're a woman who's very concerned about this.
And you just can't break out of this Trump thing.
And it's not like I'm saying, oh, you should vote for Trump.
But why are you voting for this person who's working against you openly?
Well, the media did a great job of highlighting any negative issue about Trump and constantly beating it into people's brains, that he's a misogynist, that he's a racist, that he's a this, that he's a that, and exaggerating any flaws that he may have had ad nauseum, any slurs in his speech, any things that he fucked up or gigantic huge red flags.
But then you see the opposite with Biden.
They're letting Biden slide.
Watching Don Lemon interview him and watching him babble in these weird, nonsensical, circular sentences that don't mean anything, just talking, just making noises with his face.
Like, what did you just say?
He's not saying anything.
And Don Lemon is there pretending that it makes sense.
Like, if he was talking to Trump, he would...
For sure say, oh my god, this man is not fit for office.
This man is mentally impaired.
There's something wrong here.
We have a huge issue.
It's a national security issue.
We need to deal with this right now.
But the fact that they don't look at Biden the same way they would look at Trump in terms of judging him by his actual speech and actions.
There's a little bit of that going on right now because of Afghanistan.
And what's interesting is Michael Malice actually pointed this out.
I think he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos.
I think the policy thing, and I think in terms of enforcing foreign policy in particular, I think we have an illusion of how much control they actually have.
I think the deep state, the idea of the deep state is real.
There's people that are in politics, they're in office and government that never leave.
I mean, they identify themselves as radical feminists.
I mean, I guess their ideology generally would be like, they would be anti-pornography, they would be anti-prostitution, they would be anti the gender identity stuff.
They're going to get mad at me again because now they're going to act like I'm stereotyping.
But I mean, the answer is men.
Men are the problem.
Men are responsible for all of the violence, all the bad things that happen in this world.
Men have all this power.
Men are always in a position of privilege.
Women are always the victims.
I don't believe that at all.
I don't believe that women are not responsible for their choices in life.
I think that women should...
Take responsibility for the choices that they make.
And I feel like radical feminism, I mean, maybe, you know, feminism in general does this.
It's probably not just radical feminism.
Goes in too hard on this, like, women are perpetual victims and they can't be blamed, even for bad behavior.
So even if a woman acts like shitty or acts like a bitch or says something horrible, it's like...
Well, you know, the patriarchy, like, she's suffered under patriarchy her whole life.
She's been abused.
Like, this lack of accountability.
Women don't have to be accountable for the things that they do.
And, you know, I... That's a good question.
Like, who are the radical feminists?
I mean, they're women who identify themselves as radical feminists, and they've turned against me in part because I've been trying to have more nuanced conversations, even about pornography.
Like, yes, I'm anti-pornography, but I also recently...
Sort of tried to say like, okay, I, you know, men use pornography.
Most men use pornography.
This is a reality.
All of those men are bad men.
I can't say in good faith that all men who use pornography are like misogynists or hate women, and that's what these women would say.
Any man who consumes pornography hates women, hates women, or is a misogynist.
I'm like, okay, I mean, that's like a lot of men.
And it's a lot of men that I know, you know, that's like my boyfriends or like my male friends.
And I understand the train of thought because they're thinking of the porn industry as this hugely unethical, again, exploitative, abusive industry.
And they're saying, If a man's making a choice to consume this and he knows that she doesn't want to be there, he knows that she's being hurt or he knows that she's being abused, then obviously he doesn't care about women.
Obviously he's a misogynist.
And I'm like, but that's not always the case.
And he doesn't know that.
That's not what men are thinking about for the most part when they're, you know, watching pornography.
They're not thinking, oh, this woman is being abused.
Like, and we have to be able to have real, honest, empathetic, compassionate conversations with one another, and it doesn't fucking help.
Like, if you want to stop men from using pornography, do you think screaming, you're a misogynist, is going to stop him?
Like, you're a horrible person, like, you hate women?
And I'm like, I'm just trying to talk to people like I'm genuinely like I want to understand people, even if they're people I don't agree with, like, God forbid.
And I you know, like, if you genuinely want to change people's minds, then you have to treat them as humans and be fair.
And I think you do have to try to understand them.
Not if they're horrible murderers or they're sociopaths or whatever, but just regular people.
You think that everybody in the world has been exposed to a radical feminist analysis of pornography?
I mean, males in general, because of just biological history, we have more of a history of aggression, more of a history of also the competition for mating.
The competition amongst males is very aggressive.
Like if one man finds, I was just, a friend of mine was just telling me this story about this woman who was, who's dating one guy and then she broke up with this guy and then dated a guy that worked with him and it became this fucking colossal catastrophe and these guys had a fist fight at work and I was like, holy shit, but that's like standard male breeding behavior amongst wolves, amongst gorillas, amongst like all sorts of different male animals.
I think there's a, well, it's a threat to their hierarchy, their position in the social food chain, the idea that, you know, that now they don't get to breed with this female, but now this other male gets to breed with this female, whether it's a gorilla or a male or a wolf or whatever.
And then there's like, fuck him!
You know, and then there's this weird sort of natural built-in shit.
And with beta males, it's like, you know, reputation destruction.
They'll talk shit about you behind your back and, you know, and mail things to your ex-girlfriends and, you know, get crazy in that way.
But there's a weird sort of aggression thing that's involved with testosterone and dating.
You know, it's a weird...
It's an undeniable aspect of some parts of male behavior.
Yeah, I mean, men are obviously super competitive in that way.
I mean, I've had that experience, yeah, like, with men that I've broken up with, and there's no thing, and, like, we're friends, and it's been a long time, and they get super, like, competitive and weird when I start dating someone else.
And it's like, man, you're dating somebody else.
Like, you don't want me.
Like, we're not this, like, you know, it's not that you want me.
It's like men are supposed to, and they should, figure out a way to manage that.
But I think we need to recognize that there's some sort of weird inherent programming in human beings that's biological, that is completely about passing on your DNA, and that is...
Ingrained in your cells in some strange way that manifests itself in relationships in really gross and horrible ways.
And there's no management skills that are taught to men.
There's no mitigation skills in terms of strategies of releasing this kind of aggressive energy, working out, going to the gym, maybe jerking off before you call your girlfriend and say you're sorry.
That kind of stuff.
There's so many...
Your ex-girlfriend, rather.
There's so many weird things that are involved with being a biological human being, whether it's female or male.
And so telling men to just suppress it is the least helpful thing ever.
It's like, oh, you feel this way?
Too bad.
Fuck you.
Fuck off.
You're bad.
You're pathetic.
You're right, and men aren't offered, and boys especially, they're not offered alternatives, they're not offered healthy outlets, again, like sports or martial arts or whatever.
And I feel like that was the conversation that I was trying to open up.
And, you know, my audience includes, you know, primarily like a lot of, I mean, there's men in my audience too, but obviously tons and tons of feminists and tons and tons of radical feminists.
And I'm saying like, we have to try, we don't understand each other and we have to try to understand each other and be realistic about what's going on.
And we live in a world where boys are growing up We're good to go.
Whatever.
And people just want to shut it down or they don't want to talk about it or they just want to shut it up.
The people who don't really feel concerned about porn will more likely be like, oh, it's just sex.
I think also we have to take into consideration the way girls' brains are being rewired because they're looking at that in terms of what the expectations on them are.
Hey, I want to talk to that fucking scientist and make sure they're on the up and up.
But the reality is that seeing those images, like any child that has access to a phone.
Your little perverted friends are going to say, have you Googled this yet?
Have you seen that?
Most parents don't have restrictions on their kids' phones, so if you give a boy a phone, you're basically saying, hey little fella, go watch people fuck.
I think the expectations on girls is another thing that should be studied about that, too.
Because if you're watching grown adults that enjoy participating in kinky shit...
That's a grown adult that's been through the ringer.
They've been through a lot of things in their life, and then they have two shots of this wacky shit that you like, and they're like, go ahead, put it in my ass.
I mean, I'm not saying that I support it, but it's like, I mean, she obviously lost access to almost any income, so I'm saying I'm surprised it took her this long.
But just to get away from that, do you think that what she does or did, when she says she identifies with African Americans, that's like the culture that she's...
There's a difference when you're changing legislation and policy and it's having a really, really serious negative impact on half of the population versus one lady who's had a sad life and she's just trying to...
If it was a major phenomenon and people were losing access to funding or jobs or whatever because white people were posing as black and getting the funding instead or getting these positions instead or whatever it is...
And again, this thing where these men who are entering into women's spaces really are a threat to women, in a physical sense as well as in a political sense.
I don't think that that's, again, such a black and white issue when it comes to race.
Has being kicked off of Twitter made you more free in terms of your ability to discuss things?
Because you don't get the same sort of instantaneous feedback on your ideas that you do with Twitter, which I think is...
In some ways, positive, like the discussions you can have with people, but in a lot of ways, negative.
Because a lot of what you're dealing with is just people complaining and criticizing and insulting and being really shitty in a way that people...
Generally, don't do in real life.
They only do when they're hiding behind a screen name and only using text and not in front of a person so they don't get social cues and see the impact that their insulting statements have on this person's personality.
You know, they're doing it like they're throwing bombs over a fence and they can't see what's on the other side.
I mean, I had a lot of support on Twitter, to be honest, and I think that that was part of why they got rid of me.
Like, I think people were feeling emboldened by what I was saying and I was getting a lot of support and they were like, I don't know who they is.
I don't know if it's like, you know, trans activists who had connections at Twitter or who worked there or, you know, whether it was the head of safety, who's again, I can't say her name.
If they were like, oh, she's getting too much traction and this is starting to legitimize.
I think that these questions that I was asking were legitimate in making people question this ideology and I think they didn't want that, whoever they is.
I wasn't having a bad time on Twitter.
I got a lot of shit, but who cares?
It's so blown out of proportion, this idea that people are being devastated by online harassment.
I think that cancel culture can be really awful and ruin people's lives, but being called names on Twitter, I mean, who cares?
Just block them.
Somebody says something mean to you, somebody insults your appearance, even somebody threatens you.
It's not as big a deal as people pretend it is.
I mean, I've been threatened more than most people in the world on the internet, and I I don't really care that much.
And part of it is probably that I'm used to it.
Part of it is that I think I just have a thick skin.
Like, as a person, I'm not a super...
I'm not sensitive in that way.
Like, I'm not super upset by what people say to me.
The only thing that's been good about being kicked off of Twitter is that I can have these conversations and that, you know what, it actually connected me with a whole bunch of people that I never would have connected with otherwise.
You know, like people who are right wing.
People who I wrote off as a committed leftist and feminist.
Ben Shapiro called me after I got kicked off of Twitter and he was like, can I support you?
And I think he's a really nice guy and I never would have talked to him or considered that he's not just an enemy to my cause.
And it really shook up my ideas about politics and about this left-right binary and made me very passionate about free speech.
And I wasn't before and I feel bad about that.
And I apologized about that publicly.
I was never openly against free speech, but I never really bothered standing up for free speech.
I never thought about it much.
In Canada, we really don't.
And now I've realized, and it's unfortunate that something like that would have to happen to me in order for me to realize how important it is and to stand up.
But it did.
And it made me realize how awful and destructive and dangerous these corporate monopolies are, these big tech monopolies are.
And they are.
They're really fucking dangerous and a lot of people don't realize.
I agree, and I think free speech is almost everything.
It's the only way we ever discuss things and figure out what's right and what's wrong, and you've got to let it sort itself out.
And if you don't, if you just put the walls up and say you're kicked out of the kingdom, like, wow.
Especially, you know, we're not talking about a small-scale thing.
We're talking about a massive multi-billion member thing.
We're talking about what essentially should be a utility.
It should be a public right to use these things to communicate.
And it's one thing if you're doxing people or harassing people, but if you're just discussing ideas, you should be able to discuss ideas openly and without fear of repercussion from the administrators who are essentially just appealing to one particular ideology and not supporting the other ideology at all.
It's fucking dangerous and it's unprecedented because there's never been a thing like this before.
And the people that, well, their side is supported by these conversations and these people getting censored.
They're like, well, it's a private company.
They can do what they like.
It's a nonsense, horseshit argument.
This is not a private company.
This is essentially just like a utility.
It's massive.
There's way too many people, and the impact that it has is so huge.
I mean, I, like, I know, I just think that, and the private company argument is coming from leftists or progressives, and it's like, oh, suddenly you're a fan of corporate monopolies?
Please, you cannot in good faith pretend that this is just a business.
This is where conversations happen.
This is where journalism happens.
I'm a journalist.
I don't actually produce very much journalism these days, but I'm a writer.
I'm trained in journalism.
This is my job.
It's very difficult to participate in public conversations and to do your job if you're a media producer or a journalist without access to social media platforms.
Well, they've ramped up their censorship to the point where Sean Baker, who is an advocate of the carnivore diet, he's a guy who, he's like this very fit guy who's in his, I think he's 55, and posts these videos.
He's an orthopedic surgeon, I believe.
He's some sort of physician.
He's an actual medical doctor.
And he believes that meat is the healthiest thing for people to eat.
It's a very controversial opinion.
Some people agree.
Some people disagree.
There's more than one doctor that agrees with him, though.
But meanwhile, he just got kicked off Twitter for this.
And we lost because of Section 230, which is supposed to protect platforms from being, you know, essentially held accountable for what people post on their platforms.
So, like, I have a website, so if somebody posted a comment...
When you're portrayed one way as being this hostile, disagreeable, unreasonable person who's harassing people, and then I actually see you talk, It's frustrating.
I hate that.
I hate when people are misrepresented.
It drives me nuts.
It's rude, and it's diametrically opposed to free speech.
Free speech is supposed to be about a person expressing themselves and I want to know what they really think and then I want to know is there a counter to that and who's right and let these people talk.
But when you misrepresent someone and you taint them and you change who they are, you've already poisoned the argument, right?
And I felt...
Like, I didn't know about you until I found out you got kicked off of Twitter and then someone let me know that you got kicked off of Twitter for saying a woman isn't a man.
And I was like, that is the most fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
And then I heard that, you know, I tried to do some research on you, found out you're a feminist, and I'm like...
But she's right.
We're talking about biology.
What are you allowed to say and why are you not allowed to say that?
What are you trying to protect by stopping this from being said?
And why can't we have that said and then have someone counter that in a way that's intelligent and robust and let's have a debate and a discussion and see if there's common ground that we can reach.
If there's some sort of a Yeah, and this has been one of my biggest frustrations is that no one will debate me.
So these people who say that I'm hateful or bigoted and completely, the misrepresentation thing completely drives me crazy.
I can't lie.
I don't think I'm ever going to get over it.
Not when I'm misrepresented, not when other people are.
You were talking about these Spotify employees who are trying to get rid of you, which is, of course, ridiculous.
But it's like, do you listen to this show?
I don't actually believe they listen to your show.
Just like I don't believe that the people who misrepresent me are actually listening to what I'm saying, because I don't know how they could listen to what I'm saying and then say those things about me.
I mean, anybody who advocates gender identity ideology, right?
Like, anybody who thinks that the concept of changing sex is legitimate, anyone really who thinks the concept of, like, you know, a transgender in general, I would be interested in debating because I don't think that is a rational concept.
And nobody will do it.
And to me, that speaks...
Volumes about their position.
Because I would debate anybody.
You know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
I've been wrong lots of times before.
I've changed my mind about lots of things.
I don't find it embarrassing.
I don't, you know, like I'm happy to change my mind.
If I change my mind, I'm like, right, I learned something new.
Keep saying the same thing over and over and over again because otherwise we're going to have to rethink what we're saying over and over and over again.
With so many different backgrounds, so many different perspectives, and it's informed me and changed my perspective on things, and it's made me a much more nuanced thinker, because I get to see things from other people's eyes.
I get to listen to their arguments.
I get to hear their impassioned pleas and go, Oh, that makes sense.
Okay, I see why you say that.
Okay, I didn't think about it that way.
I love that.
I love when someone says something, I go, oh, okay.
All right.
I mean, it's an ego battle, right?
Because you don't want to be wrong.
But you got to know when the idea that you were attached to is a bad idea.
Don't be married to them.
You're not your ideas.
You're a thinking organism.
And when ideas come across you, they should be carefully examined.
And any of them that are forcing you to adopt them without any scrutiny, those are dangerous.
These dogmatic positions that you see where people rigidly adhere to ideologies, it's one of the reasons why free speech is so fucking important.
Because those things are how you lead to dictatorship.
Those things are how you lead to communism.
Those things are how you lead to A literal inability to debate, discuss, and examine things.
When you can't count yourself as an intelligent person or a critical thinker if you won't do that.
If you won't challenge your own ideas or let your ideas be challenged.
And your idea is not valid.
If you're not going to challenge your own ideas and if you're not going to allow others to challenge your ideas, then your idea is not valid.
It has to be put to the test, essentially.
And it's incredible to me how few people understand that and think that What strength is, is to just stick doggedly to the thing that you've always said.
You've been saying the same thing for 20 years.
Hopefully, you've changed your mind about things since you were 20 years old and now you're 40. I mean, that's what growth and wisdom is.
I mean, how sad and pathetic if you still believe all the same things you did in your 20s.
But they see it as a form of weakness, I guess.
Again, I know that I'm being repetitive, but I came from that place where I did post hyperbolic statements on Twitter and I was kind of black and white in my thinking in terms of certain issues.
And I did think that people who saw things differently were bad or dumb or whatever.
And, you know, having nuanced conversations is so much harder and for whatever reason so much more controversial and you get attacked so much more.
I get, I mean you do of course too, but like I get attacked for having conversations with people even if I don't agree with them.
And people assume that I agree with them because I'm having the conversation with them and I'm not being mean to them or I'm not like, you're a terrible person.
Yeah, of course I don't agree with him on all things.
We're very different people.
But I think he's super smart.
I think he's super ethical.
He's legit.
I have so much more respect for somebody who is honest and authentic and rational versus somebody who's going to doggedly stick to ideology no matter what.
Even if they don't believe it.
Even if they're proven wrong.
Even if it doesn't make sense.
It's not a coherent argument.
You know...
I don't want that.
I'm not interested in that.
I'm interested in truth.
I'm interested in authenticity.
And if that makes me, which is what everybody else says, that makes me like right wing or like a ball palmer.