Aug. 17, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
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| Hey, um, I saw that box that you have on your Instagram. | ||
| Is that a robot? | ||
| Yeah, it's a robot. | ||
| That's what said, consciousness is not included. | ||
| I'm like, uh, I see what you're doing here. | ||
| What's in the box? | ||
| What's in the box, man? | ||
| What's in the box? | ||
| That's a great movie, by the way. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| It's a dark movie. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's a legged robot, and I've been involved with those a lot recently, and I'm going to explore... | ||
| I was going to bring it here, but I thought this is the wrong... | ||
| The other robot I have is the wrong atmosphere. | ||
| Is it a Boston Dynamics one? | ||
| So I've been closely working with Boston Dynamics, and how do I put it? | ||
| I put a lot of my love into what they're doing for a few years. | ||
| I love the engineers there. | ||
| We're close. | ||
| We like each other. | ||
| I hear a but coming. | ||
| Let me politely say that they're also a company that are trying to make money. | ||
| And so there's a marketing team, there's PR, and they're starting getting in the way of engineers. | ||
| And whenever marketing people get in the way of engineering, I'm out. | ||
| And so there's a lot of robotics companies. | ||
| It was kind of heartbreaking for me because how much I love that company. | ||
| In what way did they get in the way? | ||
| So, very specifically, I'm interested in the problem of human-robot interaction, where there's this beautiful dance between a human and a robot. | ||
| The same way you have a dog that you love playing with. | ||
| There's a magic there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's an excitement when Marshall looks at you and looks away and then looks at you again. | ||
| And just that excitement, I want to understand how we can engineer that into our AI systems. | ||
| So that's called human-robot interaction. | ||
| From a perspective of Boston Dynamics, they want a machine that doesn't have anything to do with humans. | ||
| They want a machine that patrols a factory looking for anything dangerous, or does surveillance on a factory floor, or helps in dangerous environments where it's too dangerous for humans, so you want a robot to do the work. | ||
| You want always there to be a distance between a human and a robot. | ||
| For me, I'm interested in exploring When human and robot close together. | ||
| And I think that's actually really important to understand for safety as well. | ||
| Robots should be able to detect and predict the movement of humans really well in order to avoid hurting them accidentally. | ||
| Like that's a robotics AI problem. | ||
| You know, it's predicting the movement of pedestrians, predicting the movement of humans, whether it's the human body or the human hand on the factory floor. | ||
| You have to understand the mind of humans. | ||
| They don't move like billiard balls. | ||
| They move in unpredictable, complicated ways. | ||
| Or rather, predictable but complicated ways. | ||
| And that's the problem of human-robot interaction that I think is beautiful. | ||
| Not very many people are really studying it carefully. | ||
| And I wanted to study it carefully. | ||
| One of the things I did, and you always learn this mistake the hard way, is I asked for permission on everything. | ||
| The right way to do it is just to do it and apologize later. | ||
| Permission for what kind of actions? | ||
| So permission for the kind of things I wanted to do. | ||
| So I asked for permission to, on video, touch Spot. | ||
| Touch it? | ||
| Yeah, like as a human. | ||
| So I wanted Spot to understand when a human touches it or not, and using only vision. | ||
| Right, because there's no sensors that can detect touch, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So to have a sense where gestures and touch can be part of the communication between the robot and the human. | ||
| Telling them, the Boston Dynamics folks, that made them very nervous. | ||
| They know I know what I'm doing, but they also know I'm starting to give less and less fucks. | ||
| And they get nervous about that because they see the positivity. | ||
| I love people. | ||
| I love robots. | ||
| I want to show the positive stuff. | ||
| I want to inspire and educate the world. | ||
| But they're like, is there some evil thing he's going to do? | ||
| What do they think you're going to do? | ||
| Well, it's like they only have stuff to lose. | ||
| From my perspective, I love Boston Dynamics. | ||
| I want to show off some awesome stuff with probably one of the greatest engineering feats in the space of robotics ever, which is both Atlas, the bipedal robot, and the Spot, the legged robots. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| From my perspective, it's a win-win. | ||
| From their perspective, they got nervous. | ||
| I don't understand why they would get nervous about touching the robot. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Because they're a business, they're trying to sell a lot of robots to companies that have zero interest in touching. | ||
| I think the future of their robot requires them to understand what it's like for a robot to be close to a human being. | ||
| So you're looking at it in terms of like a consumer product? | ||
| It's like in the gray area between industry and consumer. | ||
| So like, you know, a factory worker is a kind of consumer. | ||
| So like more and more, I think Boston Dynamics need to pivot that way in order to be a successful, profitable business. | ||
| They were currently purchased by, I think, Hyundai, like a large company. | ||
| So they're, I think, trying to justify their worth, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| I'm not sure how businesses work. | ||
| All I know is when marketing people get in the way of great engineering, you run into problems. | ||
| This is why, sorry to interrupt, why Tesla, I'm a huge fan of what Elon is doing. | ||
| He's not letting marketing get in the way of great engineering. | ||
| There's very little marketing people at Tesla. | ||
| And most of the ones that do marketing, first of all, Elon does great marketing on his Twitter. | ||
| But also the Tesla Twitters run really well marketing-wise. | ||
| They understand that to highlight the brilliance of a particular product, you have to highlight the engineering. | ||
| You have to highlight the design, and that means you don't want to get in the way of the engineers and the designers. | ||
| Well, here's the best example of that. | ||
| There's zero advertisements for Tesla and is the number one selling car in America. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just brilliantly made. | ||
| That's all you need to know. | ||
| I mean, everyone knows. | ||
| You drive it. | ||
| You're like, holy shit. | ||
| You see it. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| You see the giant screen, and you realize that it can move that fast with no sound. | ||
| It's pretty phenomenal stuff. | ||
| When you consider the fact that the most... | ||
| I mean, think about most cars that are sold in America. | ||
| You're inundated with advertisement. | ||
| Whether it's Cadillac or Ford or whatever, there's constant ads. | ||
| They make great cars, don't get me wrong, but Tesla doesn't have any ads and they sell more than anybody, which is pretty incredible. | ||
| Create a product that people love and it's word of mouth from there. | ||
| I think it's also connected to Elon, too. | ||
| I don't think it would be as successful if it wasn't connected to such a bizarre Tony Stark-type character. | ||
| Because he's such a unique cultural... | ||
| He's an iconic figure. | ||
| He's not a normal human. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's like, he's our super genius. | ||
| Well, it's interesting to analyze them, right? | ||
| Like, are all the memes about Doge useful, or are they productive or counterproductive? | ||
| Like, is the humor help advertise SpaceX and Tesla, or does it destroy them? | ||
| Is the funding secured, 420, help or hurt? | ||
| Does him smoking weed on your show and then saying, oops, does that help or hurt? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It does not hurt. | ||
| Yeah, it feels like it helps. | ||
| How could it hurt if the company's doing so well? | ||
| You tell me you'd be doing even better? | ||
| That sounds crazy. | ||
| Well, a lot of most CEOs would say yes. | ||
| They're wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The sense is they're wrong, but that means you have to rethink the way you run companies. | ||
| You have to be more open. | ||
| You have to have more fun. | ||
| You have to be more crazy. | ||
| But you have to be Elon Musk. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| You can't just get another person to do it that way. | ||
| You have to be that guy. | ||
| Being crazy is not enough. | ||
| Well, his whole thing is his love of space balls. | ||
| Yeah, it's genuine. | ||
| Yeah, genuine love of space balls. | ||
| The reason why he created the flamethrower, not a flamethrower, the reason why he created the new Model S and called it the Plaid. | ||
| This is all space ball stuff. | ||
| He even changed the shape of his rocket to look more like space balls. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't even make sense. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| But again, you're not going to recreate that artificially. | ||
| It has to actually genuinely, naturally, organically be that guy, and that's who he is. | ||
| But you have to allow people like that to rise to the top in all spaces of leadership. | ||
| I see in politics, I don't know, Andrew Yang, somebody like that. | ||
| Somebody who doesn't look like the past. | ||
| And Elon Musk certainly doesn't look like the past in terms of CEOs. | ||
| By the way, I know you're not a huge fan of Autopilot, or don't use it very often, but they have, because I want to squeeze in AI a little bit, they have Autonomy Day in a few days, Tesla does, and they're going to, they've been doing, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but they've been doing a lot of interesting stuff on the semi-autonomous, autonomous driving side. | ||
| So one of the crazy things they're doing that I never thought would be possible is to use vision only for their FSD, for their autopilot, meaning cameras only. | ||
| Talking about breaking with the ways of the past. | ||
| So in the past, you always have radar. | ||
| You have more, quote unquote, reliable sensors for emergency situations. | ||
| For emergency braking. | ||
| So here, Tesla is using only cameras, so only vision. | ||
| The logic there is our roads are all designed for human eyes, therefore you should be able to drive with only visual information. | ||
| The problem is with rain, with fog, with all those conditions, with night, how are you going to be able to do it? | ||
| The fact that they're doing so much more successful than I would expect is quite incredible from an NAI perspective. | ||
| And they're just going full steam ahead there with something called Dojo, which is... | ||
| I don't know if you know how this whole process works, but... | ||
| They're basically deploying a version of autopilot software to a fleet of vehicles. | ||
| Those cars are driving, sometimes by humans, sometimes by AI. And then whenever AI runs into trouble, that's a little data point that they send back to the mothership. | ||
| And then it retrains the system, and the system gets smarter and smarter, and then redeploys a smarter version. | ||
| So there's this loop. | ||
| They call it the data engine. | ||
| This loop, it sounds maybe trivial, but it's one of the first large-scale implementation of an AI system in the world that does this kind of loop. | ||
| So it's not... | ||
| oftentimes when you deploy these kinds of systems, you deploy them, and the time between versions is like years. | ||
| You have to basically buy a new smartphone or something like that. | ||
| Here, the time between new versions is every week. | ||
| I think every Friday they're releasing a new version, something like that, which is a, you know, it's a revolutionary idea. | ||
| It sounds ridiculously simple, but it's revolutionary in that as opposed to deploying a perfect system, you deploy a system that's not perfect, and then it improves over time and converges towards something that's safer than human drivers. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| And then the Dojo computer is they're building their own huge system that's doing the training. | ||
| So to train neural networks or AI systems, you have to have specialized hardware. | ||
| So, Elon, this is another really interesting lesson for companies, especially car companies. | ||
| As opposed to outsourcing the work to other companies, you do it all in-house. | ||
| So if you look at the history of Tesla, at first it was distributed across other suppliers and so on, but they're doing more and more and more in-house. | ||
| I think that the dream is you have a single factory, like here, Giga in Austin, Texas, where the input is raw materials and the output is a finished car. | ||
| And they're doing the same thing with the AI. They don't want to use GPUs and computers from somebody else. | ||
| They want to have that in-house. | ||
| So the whole thing is like this organism that takes in raw materials and produces intelligent vehicles. | ||
| I love that he called it Dojo. | ||
| Dojo, yeah. | ||
| The guy has a knack for names. | ||
| Some of them are ridiculous, but that's the point. | ||
| What's the most ridiculous one? | ||
| So, a lot of references to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Like what? | ||
| I'm trying to think. | ||
| The naming of the ships, of the ships that catch the rockets. | ||
| I'm blanking on their names. | ||
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It's like, I love you too, or something like that. | |
| It's references to all these sci-fi books, which, by the way, I've been tormented by people on the internet to read more sci-fi. | ||
| I unfortunately have... | ||
| How do you have the time? | ||
| Oh, speaking of which... | ||
| You're doing like a book a day? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Andrew Huberman is coming to town and he's doing this thing that like, I don't know, it's like Stephen King style thing where he's just locking himself in a room and writing. | ||
| He has to finish his, he's working on a book, some like science related book. | ||
| He's a brilliant guy. | ||
| So he's just going to sit there and write. | ||
| Is that how King does it? | ||
| He locks himself in a room? | ||
| With all great writers, right? | ||
| They go to, like, some weird ritual of, like, you know, every morning for four hours, they go into a cabin with a typewriter. | ||
| Like, they all have a ritual, like a routine. | ||
| Writers are insane. | ||
| I think that's the hardest. | ||
| I guess you do the same thing for comedy. | ||
| You don't have to do many hours of it, but it can be torture, which is why many people avoid it. | ||
| You have to go in front of a blank sheet of paper or some version of that, and you have to write. | ||
| It's not torture. | ||
| It is not torture. | ||
| It's procrastination. | ||
| People have this issue with getting things started. | ||
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Right. | |
| It literally is just training the mind. | ||
| It's training the mind to... | ||
| That's how you get things done. | ||
| I mean, literally, it's all it is. | ||
| You're not letting yourself... | ||
| You're somebody that just destroys yourself on a treadmill and kettlebells. | ||
| So you're not allowing yourself to not get started at something difficult. | ||
| Yeah, but that's... | ||
| It's just a... | ||
| It's just... | ||
| You have to have real clear boundaries, what you'll tolerate from yourself. | ||
| And if you don't, then you'll just procrastinate to the end of time. | ||
| And I know a lot of guys do that. | ||
| Like Louis C.K. has an interesting approach to comedy writing. | ||
| He doesn't have a Wi-Fi connection and a laptop that he uses that he writes on. | ||
| So when he writes, he has to just write. | ||
| He can't just go, oh, let me look at porn. | ||
| Oh, let me look at this and let me look at that. | ||
| That's a real problem with people where they just find things to do other than the actual work itself. | ||
| Like if you had a typewriter, but typewriters are whack. | ||
| It's probably okay, but then you gotta reprint it? | ||
| How are you gonna put it on a computer? | ||
| What are you gonna do? | ||
| But I know guys who write on a typewriter because they don't want to fuck with anything electronic where they have this potential for distraction. | ||
| I know guys who write longhand for that reason, too. | ||
| They just have a notebook and they write it out on notepaper. | ||
| But then again, what if you lose your notebook? | ||
| Yeah, I still write letters. | ||
| But when you look at something like Huberman, there's hundreds if not thousands of references. | ||
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So he has to kind of, unfortunately, he needs the computer. | |
| And there's a different challenge to be able to use the internet effectively without looking at the porn. | ||
| It always goes back to the porn. | ||
| But I'm doing this little experiment. | ||
| I'm just disconnecting from the world and going to read 12 to 14 hours a day. | ||
| It's been a while since I did that. | ||
| I'll do like an hour or two a day, often audiobooks, that kind of thing. | ||
| I'm just going back to- 12 hours a day? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Just reading 12 hours a day or writing as well? | ||
| Writing notes about it. | ||
| Just thinking. | ||
| I see books, especially those kinds. | ||
| It's like the classics from The Stranger by Camus, Brave New World. | ||
| Oh, these are your books. | ||
| Some of them are the ones I was thinking about. | ||
| Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. | ||
| I just was reading that. | ||
| It's really wild. | ||
| When you think about how long ago that guy lived and how applicable some of his thoughts are today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the same as with Book of Five Rings and Underwar, right? | ||
| It's been forever. | ||
| I mean, a lot of these books I've already read. | ||
| I'm sort of rereading them. | ||
| The way I think about books is to kind of travel. | ||
| So you're like traveling to a place. | ||
| Like Man's Search for Meaning with Viktor Frankl is the Holocaust and is the story of a man in a concentration camp finding meaning and beauty in a moment of suffering. | ||
| And so you're... | ||
| Like, that, you're traveling with him to that concentration camp, and you're there. | ||
| And then if you, you know, if you only read for like 30 minutes, you don't get a chance to fully immerse. | ||
| If you just stay there and you travel there, it can, I don't know, it can really change you. | ||
| Or at least in the past, this has really kind of transformed your mind. | ||
| I watched Restrepo last night because of what's going on in Afghanistan. | ||
| Do you know Restrepo Sebastian Junger's film on Afghanistan? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just sort of... | ||
| Just put it in perspective, like what's going on over there now. | ||
| And it's, you know, I mean, books are amazing for putting things into perspective, but there's something about a documentary, especially a boots-on-the-ground documentary by a journalist like Sebastian Junger in Afghanistan while Afghanistan is falling to the Taliban. | ||
| So it feels so... | ||
| It's so intense when you're watching it and you see, you know, guys in the beginning of the film that wind up dying. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| First of all, I forgot, like I think you have a sense of what they mean when they talk about these mountainous areas, this mountainous terrain that's impossible really to control because it's very difficult to traverse, very difficult to get around. | ||
| I don't think you really understand it until you watch that film, until you really see the mountains and you're like, oh god, like how is anybody ever going to control this area? | ||
| No wonder why the Soviets failed. | ||
| No wonder why we failed. | ||
| No wonder why the people that live there, they're living in an incredibly difficult environment in terms of just getting around. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah, I remember some statistics about like 99% of people in Afghanistan, Afghanistan, no, I sound like Brian Callen. | ||
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Afghanistan. | |
| Iran, Iran, yeah, I never know how to say it. | ||
| I remember like 99% of them didn't know 9-11 happened. | ||
| So, like, they're completely disconnected from the world, even... | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Like, even things that seem relevant to... | ||
| Did you watch the videos today of people trying to climb aboard planes and falling to their deaths? | ||
| The planes are taking off, these guys are hanging on to the landing gear, and as the landing gear pulls up, they're falling to their death. | ||
| Trying to save themselves? | ||
| Yes, trying to leave with the Americans. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| Just the chaos at the airport. | ||
| You haven't seen any of this stuff? | ||
| No, I haven't seen it. | ||
| I actually have not been paying attention to what's happening. | ||
| Jamie, show him some of the videos because it's heartbreaking. | ||
| Yeah, these are people just literally climbing all over these ladders, doing whatever they can, trying to force themselves onto these planes. | ||
| But the really fucked one is, look, these guys hanging on the landing gear. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Like falling to his death. | ||
| It's fucked. | ||
| Yeah, and look at this. | ||
| I mean, fucking crazy. | ||
| All these guys trying to stop the plane so they can get on board. | ||
| I mean this is just a tremendous failure. | ||
| It's so heartbreaking. | ||
| Yeah, but what do you do? | ||
| What could be done differently, right? | ||
| That's the real question. | ||
| Could they have designed a better withdrawal plan that scaled over time, where they gave particularly the people that helped the American military over there, that they're very vulnerable right now. | ||
| They're in a lot of trouble. | ||
| Could they have protected them better? | ||
| Could they have done something? | ||
| Could they have designed a plan? | ||
| That's what most people who are criticizing this believe. | ||
| The people that actually understand what's going on over there, they think this idea of pulling out immediately Yeah. | ||
| But half the world is living under authoritarian regimes. | ||
| So the question is, how do you help those people? | ||
| How do you help? | ||
| You had a nice, sophisticated, deep historical conversation with Andrew Schultz about North Korea. | ||
| Are you being sarcastic? | ||
| There's a little bit of sarcasm there. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| He's hilarious. | ||
| He is hilarious, but he was going hard to paint. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| But he's... | ||
| But like, how do you help? | ||
| He's having fun. | ||
| Well, the one sort of sophisticated criticism there was, well, what the hell do you do about it? | ||
| Right, what do you do about North Korea? | ||
| Well, what... | ||
| There's a lot of places like that. | ||
| North Korea is probably the worst or one of the worst. | ||
| But there's a lot of places where the leader of the government is abusing its people. | ||
| What do you do about it? | ||
| The whole cryptocurrency, Bitcoin people say, maybe you can change the money. | ||
| You can give people power by, like, one of the ways government controls its people is the monetary system. | ||
| So you can, like, swap out, try to give people power through the money. | ||
| That's one way. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Obviously, the old-school way is military, or also maybe economic pressures. | ||
| But then it becomes difficult, because you've taken on that project, and then you get the thing that you get in Afghanistan. | ||
| And, you know, it's a project that takes 10 years, it takes 20 years, and then ultimately it's not successful. | ||
| The Afghanistan situation is so crazy because, you know, Biden was on television just a little while ago talking about how there's 300,000 armed Afghanistan soldiers that were trained by the United States and there's only 75,000 Taliban. | ||
| There's no way that they're going to fall. | ||
| But they never fought. | ||
| They just gave up, like, instantly. | ||
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| You know, it's like the whole situation is very confusing to someone who doesn't understand it. | ||
| If you're a guy who fought over there, too, it's got to be insanely frustrating. | ||
| People spilled blood over there, people lost limbs over there, and then they're seeing how quickly we just pulled out in an abandoned ship. | ||
| Like, what was that for? | ||
| Well, we got into that war under false pretenses. | ||
| We stayed without much transparency about why we're staying. | ||
| For 20 fucking years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Without a clear plan for the future. | ||
| And then we pulled out without a clear, transparent plan. | ||
| But I don't know what lesson to draw from that, except that we should never have gone in in the first place. | ||
| That's the only sort of solid set of arguments you can have. | ||
| And why that place? | ||
| It's the people that argue it's all about oil and all those kinds of things. | ||
| And minerals. | ||
| And minerals. | ||
| And all sorts of natural resources, right? | ||
| And natural gas. | ||
| Like Afghanistan is a rich suppository of lithium, I believe, too, right? | ||
| Yeah, natural. | ||
| But then what about Iraq? | ||
| What does that have to do with anything? | ||
| And so you start questioning the whole operation, the whole process of making decisions about foreign policy and the military conflicts. | ||
| What lesson do you draw from that when there's places like North Korea, when there's many people in Africa suffering? | ||
| There's many regimes that are abusing its people there. | ||
| Then there's people that criticize Russia. | ||
| For certain things in terms of from an authoritarian regime perspective. | ||
| And then the big one is China. | ||
| And then what do you do about that? | ||
| I mean, I do find the libertarian argument here the most sophisticated and convincing is we should stay out of other people's business until we have a really clear good plan. | ||
| The majority of Americans, given a transparent communication of what is going on and what we're going to do, the majority of Americans are behind this plan. | ||
| Otherwise, stay out of it. | ||
| When you have something like Nazi Germany, where there's obvious atrocities happening, where there's an obvious war on the horizon, then that's different. | ||
| Well, if that's the case, then why aren't we invading North Korea? | ||
| If Wynome Park and all these different people that have escaped from North Korea are telling the truth, there's a Holocaust going on there right now. | ||
| I mean, they're literally starving their people. | ||
| They're putting their people in concentration camps. | ||
| They're having children born in concentration camps for the crimes of their grandparents. | ||
| And their children will also be born in these camps, in these prison camps. | ||
| They're starving their people. | ||
| They execute them for almost no reason. | ||
| They do whatever they want to them. | ||
| They have full and total complete control over them. | ||
| Well, the dark answer and the reason is because there's no way to do anything about North Korea without also doing something about China. | ||
| And that's why we turn a blind eye to North Korea. | ||
| A war with North Korea or invasion of North Korea is an invasion of China. | ||
| Also, North Korea has nuclear weapons, right? | ||
| The nuclear weapon thing really has changed the idea of war. | ||
| It's kind of amazing that no one's dropped a bomb since 1947. Isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It gives me hope for humanity. | ||
| Like, we're not so crazy that we're going to just blow each other up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, it's one of the most amazing things about people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That we have the ultimate weapon and we haven't used it in decades. | ||
| There's a lot of terrorists in this world, and it's amazing to me. | ||
| They haven't done anything much more destructive than 9-11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a nuke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nuke, but even less than that. | ||
| Like orchestrated attacks. | ||
| You sent me the QAnon documentary. | ||
| That's an orchestrated attack. | ||
| Did you watch that? | ||
| Yeah, I started. | ||
| I'm only on episode two. | ||
| I cannot recommend it enough. | ||
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| The one on HBO? Yes. | ||
| You finally started it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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That's good. | |
| It is so good. | ||
| It's incredible, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's good. | ||
| Yeah, I'm only on it. | ||
| I finished episode two. | ||
| I'm moving to episode three. | ||
| It's so fucked because I'm trying to be kind here. | ||
| Misfits need love too and and misfits need a purpose and That is what I got on that documentary at least the first two episodes I mean free speech also, you know the family that runs 8chan in the Philippines Like their commitment to free speech and to let people just do whatever the fuck they want to do like In many ways, | ||
| I agree and see their point but the not even but What I'm seeing in the documentary though, these people that are into QAnon, the people that were following the drops, the people that were deeply invested in believing that this was some person who, I don't know, maybe they'd resolve this later on in the series, I don't know, after two. | ||
| Do they ever resolve it? | ||
| Who the person is? | ||
| I have not finished the other myself. | ||
| Who the person is. | ||
| Yeah, who actually Q is. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| As far as you, but from what I understand, the theme continues there. | ||
| So even in the first two, if we can give a little bit of a spoiler. | ||
| It's called Into the Storm. | ||
| Into the Storm. | ||
| Yeah, it's on HBO Max. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's really well done. | ||
| It's Q Into the Storm or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, and one of those guys was on Duncan's podcast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The gentleman who's disabled, what is his name? | ||
| Fred Brennan. | ||
| Yeah, Fred Brennan. | ||
| Yeah, he was on Duncan's podcast. | ||
| Duncan says he's great. | ||
| And he's remarkably well, what's the word? | ||
| He handles himself really well for a guy who got dealt such a shit hand of cards, you know, biologically. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Frederick Brennan. | ||
| I was very impressed with him. | ||
| There it is, Duncan Trussell, episode 433. Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, he was interesting because he said, I think it was in the first episode, he says something like, you know, he is disabled and, you know, like people were generally in public nice to him. | ||
| But then when he went in anonymous forums, people were basically just cruel to him. | ||
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Ruthless. | |
| Yeah, ruthless. | ||
| And he was kind of excited by that because... | ||
| The way he put it, he was able to peek into what people really thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not sure that's true. | ||
| I don't think that's true either. | ||
| Because I think people say things online that they don't really believe. | ||
| They say it for shock value. | ||
| And they say it because there's no consequence. | ||
| So they just say fucked up things. | ||
| And they say it also to try to impress each other with how dark you can get. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It becomes a fun game of toxicity. | ||
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It's fun to just go up, up. | |
| The cool thing about that documentary to me, I always had a hunch, but that documentary makes it clear to me that one person can be Q. So the documentary from the very beginning, I don't think they'll resolve it. | ||
| But it's the guy that's currently running it. | ||
| Is it Code Monkey? | ||
| Ron Watkins. | ||
| That's cute. | ||
| I've always thought... | ||
| That's what they think? | ||
| That's what the documentary is implying from the very beginning. | ||
| I mean, the way they're painting in the first two episodes. | ||
| I didn't think that. | ||
| You thought that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he looks like he's lying nonstop. | ||
| Really? | ||
| First of all. | ||
| I don't think he looks like he's lying. | ||
| I think he looks like he's very socially awkward and he's just talking. | ||
| I didn't think he looked like he was lying at all. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| We have a different perspective on this. | ||
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| Did you think, Jamie, did you think he was lying? | ||
| He's the son of the guy, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The son of the guy who runs 8chan. | ||
| Both of them look like they're lying. | ||
| They seem like they're up to something. | ||
| The old guy who runs 8chan, his dad is a trip. | ||
| He's a character. | ||
| I'm not interested in politics. | ||
| Off the first two episodes, though, I wouldn't say that I thought that, but he's a suspect, maybe, I guess, but not top of the top three. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't think he was a suspect at all. | ||
| First time I saw him, I was like, that guy, that's Q. Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's obvious. | ||
| So to me, technically speaking, because not the people on the forums, but him, I know that person in the following sense. | ||
| Like, I know programmers. | ||
| These are hackers, these are programmers. | ||
| I know these people. | ||
| I knew from the very beginning that Q... If it's controlled by a government agency, like in Russia or something like that, it's because they acquired a single person who was good at this. | ||
| It's pretty easy for a single person to control anonymous forums in this way. | ||
| With some combination of bots and just individuals. | ||
| It's weaving narratives. | ||
| Human beings love narratives. | ||
| And if you come up with crazy shit and you start, there's a mystery, like a Hitchcock-style mystery. | ||
| You're basically telling stories. | ||
| It's how Scientology got started. | ||
| You're telling beautiful stories, like some mystery, some painting a picture of evil that you get to fight, painting a picture of a better world if you defeat the evil. | ||
| All those things you can do pretty effectively through technology by a single person. | ||
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Well, I thought... | |
| I thought it was clearly manipulative from the start because if you look at the way Q is writing, like everything is a mystery and a puzzle. | ||
| If you're trying to release information and you're doing so anonymously, why wouldn't you be clear and succinct? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because they're playing games with misfits. | ||
| That's what they're doing. | ||
| You know what I don't like about, what's his name, Watkins? | ||
| Yeah, The Sun, Ron Watkins, yeah. | ||
| I don't like his glasses. | ||
| Why does he get taped up glasses? | ||
| It's too on the nose. | ||
| It's like, I bet those fucking glasses are clear. | ||
| I bet he doesn't even need them. | ||
| Yeah, we notice different things. | ||
| I noticed ego. | ||
| He tapes his fucking glasses, the little thing in the corner. | ||
| That could have been done for the movie, too, because I'm looking at other pictures of him and there are no pictures of taped up glasses, but I had to find that one. | ||
| Well, maybe he broke his glasses right before, but I'm suspicious. | ||
| I'm suspicious of the taped up glasses. | ||
| What's with the cowboy hat? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Is there a more cliche, Like, portrayal of a nerd than the tape on the glasses? | ||
| I mean, it's literally from Revenge of the Nerds, right? | ||
| In the movie Revenge of the Nerds, didn't he have his glasses taped? | ||
| I think he did. | ||
| I'm guessing. | ||
| Yeah, but it's cliche for a reason. | ||
| First of all, tape is functional. | ||
| And nerds think in a very... | ||
| Computer programmers think in a very functional way. | ||
| What's your problem with tape? | ||
| It's just the fact that he's got taped up glasses while he's doing an HBO documentary. | ||
| There's no tape, I don't think. | ||
| No? | ||
| I think it's just a stereotype deal. | ||
| I feel like Revenge of the Nerds had taped up glasses. | ||
| No? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| One of those movies did. | ||
| But you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The tape in the corner of the glasses is so cliche. | ||
| But yes, do people tape their glasses when their glasses break? | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| It's a good thing to do. | ||
| It is functional. | ||
| But when I saw him with the taped up glasses, I'm like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You couldn't get your glasses fixed? | ||
| You really just going to tape them up? | ||
| So who do you think is Q from just your... | ||
| Like, when you thought about QAnon, who did you... | ||
| Before the documentary, who did you think it was? | ||
| An organization? | ||
| No, I thought it was probably some wackadoo who works with Trump who is enjoying the fact that he has access and he's playing games with people. | ||
| That's what I felt like. | ||
| He's playing games and manipulating people. | ||
| It's just the way... | ||
| They're communicating. | ||
| The way they're communicating with like puzzles and then all these QAnon dorks, all these people that are like these misfits that they follow in this documentary that are really obsessed with it. | ||
| They have to like try to piece the puzzle together. | ||
| Tell them what the fuck is going on. | ||
| Why is this a puzzle? | ||
| Why is this a puzzle that's open to interpretation? | ||
| That's dumb. | ||
| That's a dumb way to leak information. | ||
| Did Edward Snowden release information in puzzles? | ||
| Did Julian Assange release information in puzzles? | ||
| No. | ||
| This is a stupid way to release information. | ||
| You don't have to reveal your identity, but reveal the information very clearly. | ||
| The way he speaks in these broken sentences, and the fact that it's coded, this is someone who's fucking with people. | ||
| But the thing is, what I got out of this documentary so far, is that, look, if you get a hundred people in the room, You're gonna have a misfit. | ||
| One person in that room is gonna be an outcast, they're not gonna fit in, and they're gonna be searching for meaning and longing, and this is just, they don't have like a very clear place where they fit into the puzzle. | ||
| So if you get a hundred people and one of them is like that, well you have 330 million people in this country. | ||
| So you have fucking millions and millions of misfits. | ||
| See, I think the number, I mean, you're just giving an example. | ||
| I think the number of people who are searching and are a bit lost and are deeply lonely is much closer to 100% than to 1%. | ||
| 100% deeply lonely? | ||
| Yeah, there's a depth of loneliness in all of us and we're searching for meaning. | ||
| I really honestly think that if you look at the spread of the people in the world, I'm not saying 100%, but I'm saying there's a population of 60-70% that, I mean, they're not radicalized, but they're searching. | ||
| And we're searching for stories to unite over. | ||
| This is the scary thing. | ||
| It's both exciting and scary. | ||
| It's exciting because you can use technology for the people to rise up against power centers. | ||
| They're abusing them. | ||
| That's what QAnon is doing. | ||
| They're doing it with false narratives and they're rising up against, I would say, the wrong kind of power centers. | ||
| But the fact that people can do that, I think, starting from a single person is exciting to me and is promising to me because I ultimately believe in the positive aspects of human nature. | ||
| But I also do believe people are searching and we're hungry. | ||
| So what we're calling misfits, you're a misfit. | ||
| You're just like, you're a busy misfit that runs on a treadmill. | ||
| So you don't have time to check forums. | ||
| Well, I'm not interested in it either. | ||
| It's not just I don't have time. | ||
| I see what they're doing, this longing for community. | ||
| And I get my community in different ways. | ||
| But if I didn't have stand-up comedy, if I didn't have jiu-jitsu, if I didn't have podcasting, I would try to find community in some way. | ||
| And I think when I say misfits, a lot of these folks... | ||
| They're just social outcasts, right, in a lot of ways. | ||
| And it's not just that they're misfits. | ||
| They're kind of disconnected to, you know, like the lady who's missing her front tooth and the husband telling the kid, build that wall, build that wall. | ||
| These are misfits, right? | ||
| These are goofy people that they don't have, like, I don't think they have many conversations with objective, intelligent people that are well-informed. | ||
| So when they're having these conversations, I think they lack the experience of critical thinking skills, and so they'll believe all kinds of stupid shit. | ||
| You know, like the guy who got super excited that he thinks that Trump was pointing at him. | ||
| He's like, Trump pointed at me! | ||
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| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he's got the Q shirt on, and Trump always has 17, and, you know, what does he say? | ||
| Just Q weight. | ||
| Yeah, just Q weight, yeah. | ||
| That could have been because he's on Adderall and his fucking mouth was getting sloppy. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I mean, he fucked up a lot of words, but... | ||
| The 17 is odd. | ||
| That is like the number 17 constantly. | ||
| And another thing, like that whole queue clearance thing, another film that I watched recently was Collapse with Michael Rupert. | ||
| Do you know who Michael Rupert is? | ||
| No. | ||
| Michael Rupert was a friend of mine. | ||
| He killed himself a few years back. | ||
| And he's been on the podcast a couple times. | ||
| The last time I saw him, he gave me a large jar of mushrooms. | ||
| He's a very interesting guy. | ||
| And he worked for the Los Angeles Police Department in the narcotics division. | ||
| And he exposed the CIA selling drugs in South Central Los Angeles. | ||
| And he did it on, I think it was on C-SPAN. And he did it at like a city council meeting or some big public meeting. | ||
| It's a wild speech. | ||
| Have you ever seen it, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah, we played it, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we played it. | ||
| I can send it to you if you want. | ||
| I have it saved in my phone. | ||
| But in the film, he says, and this was like, at the same time I'm watching this documentary, I was thinking about him. | ||
| You know, just randomly thinking about him. | ||
| And this film collapsed. | ||
| And it was all about peak oil and the collapse of civilization. | ||
| And it was a few years back. | ||
| I want to say the film was like probably 2008 or some shit. | ||
| 2009. Some of his predictions were accurate and some of his predictions were not. | ||
| But the peak oil thing is definitely not correct because they've subsequently found a lot of oil in other places. | ||
| But in the film, he's talking about how he has Q-level clearance. | ||
| Like, it is a thing. | ||
| Like, Q-level clearance is a thing. | ||
| And he had it from the time he was young because his father was involved in some intelligence business. | ||
| But this is him. | ||
| And Watchtower. | ||
| I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency. | ||
| I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late 70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country. | ||
| I have been trying to get this out for 18 years and I have the evidence. | ||
| My question for you is very specific, sir. | ||
| If in the course of the IG's investigations, and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity, or will you tell the American people the truth? | ||
| I think we missed the beginning of it where he said that he personally witnessed the CIA selling drugs, but... | ||
| This is 1996 allegations of CIA involvement in drug trafficking. | ||
| It all turned out to be 100% true. | ||
| I mean, this is how Freeway Ricky Ross, the original real Rick Ross, made millions and millions and millions of dollars. | ||
| He thought he was just an awesome drug dealer. | ||
| Well, he was an awesome drug dealer that was working with the CIA, unbeknownst to him. | ||
| Like, they were allowing him to sell drugs so they could profit off of it, so they could funnel the money into the war with the Contras and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. | ||
| And this was when Clinton was president? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, it was when Reagan was president that it was all going down, but this was when Clinton was president, that he was on television talking about it. | ||
| By the way, there's not often, I'm a big fan of JRE, there's not often when I do a podcast interview, I was talking to Roger Reeves, and I'm thinking, I wish I wasn't doing this interview, and I wish I was listening to this on your show. | ||
| Roger Reyes, the drug trafficker. | ||
| That guy's incredible. | ||
| You need to talk to him or somebody like him. | ||
| Oh, definitely talk to him. | ||
| First of all, Jorge Ochoa, who with Pablo Escobar together created the Medellin cartel, this is crazy to me. | ||
| He's out of prison. | ||
| He's living in Medellin. | ||
| I don't know how these guys... | ||
| Jorge Ochoa is? | ||
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| He's been out for... | ||
| Roger Reeves is as well, right? | ||
| He's out of prison too. | ||
| Yeah, Roger Reeves just got out. | ||
| Roger Reeves got arrested in, I think, Australia for transporting one or two tons of cocaine. | ||
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| Personal use! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But he has so many... | ||
| It's fascinating what it takes, especially back in the day. | ||
| It's like Barry Seale. | ||
| So Barry Seale worked for Roger Rees, and then Barry Seale became his own big transporter. | ||
| And Roger was on your podcast. | ||
| Yeah, Roger was. | ||
| I reached out to you about that. | ||
| It was a really, really, really interesting episode. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Well, it also touches my heart because it's like, go to see about a girl. | ||
| He's been with his wife through that whole thing. | ||
| She was with him through all the crazy times, and when he was in prison for many, many years, she stayed with him, and now they're back together, and there's I got to hang out with them, and they're in love. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Just to look at a couple through all of that, through all the crazy life they've been through together. | ||
| And is he allowed to travel? | ||
| Where did you meet him? | ||
| He came down to Austin. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where does he live? | ||
| In San Diego, yeah, or something like that, like California. | ||
| I forgot. | ||
| So he can travel freely? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know all of this. | ||
| What I know is he still doesn't seem to give a damn. | ||
| He's so full of life and joy, and he always was. | ||
| So he's never witnessed or participated in any violence. | ||
| He never witnessed it? | ||
| No. | ||
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| So the only times he was shooting... | ||
| So he was treated like royalty. | ||
| So he was protected. | ||
| He was never allowed to see anything bad because the violence was between the rival kind of cartels. | ||
| He was protected. | ||
| He was treated like royalty. | ||
| There was no pressure. | ||
| He made sure that it's frictionless and comfortable for him to do the transportation. | ||
| He was just flying the coke in. | ||
| Coke and weed in large amounts, back and forth. | ||
| The violence he's had is when he's being chased quite a bit by the police. | ||
| So, like, he doesn't shoot back, but he's trying not to... | ||
| Die from being shot. | ||
| Barry has similar stories. | ||
| You have to fly really low. | ||
| You have to do all this kind of crazy shit. | ||
| To avoid radar? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to know what you're doing. | ||
| You have to take big risks. | ||
| There's many times where he had to crash and then run through the jungle and that kind of stuff. | ||
| The usual thing you would expect for many, many years. | ||
| Transporting drugs. | ||
| And he always has this goofy, happy, like, smile on his face. | ||
| Just joyful. | ||
| I escaped from prison five times. | ||
| But, you know, since actually doing that interview, a bunch of people have written me, like, they weren't in jail with him, in prison with him. | ||
| Like, everybody speaks really highly of him. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| Except people who are like, he aided in the transport. | ||
| He aided in the suffering of many people by giving them drugs. | ||
| And there's a lot of sort of... | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| I get... | ||
| That one's a slippery one because... | ||
| I feel like, my opinion, particularly about cocaine, I think cocaine should be legal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I think marijuana should be legal. | ||
| It's kind of legal in a lot of places. | ||
| Alcohol is legal everywhere. | ||
| Cocaine is arguably better for you than those, well, not marijuana, but better for you than alcohol. | ||
| And the problem with cocaine is the fact that it's illegal. | ||
| So you're getting cocaine that's been stepped on, cocaine that has things like fentanyl in it that's causing people to overdose. | ||
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| If they got a hold of pure cocaine and made supposedly educated decisions, you could educate people. | ||
| Like, we've educated people somewhat about alcohol, right? | ||
| We know not to drink and drive. | ||
| We know alcohol can cause liver damage and it could fuck you up and, you know, drink moderately. | ||
| These narratives are all constantly distributed, right? | ||
| We should have done the same thing with cocaine. | ||
| Like, I'm not interested in cocaine, but... | ||
| I think cocaine should be legal. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I mean, so many fucking people do it, and they're getting it from these weird sources where you really have no idea what's actually in it. | ||
| You're not testing it. | ||
| You know, and it's infuriating for adults, for grown adults. | ||
| They should be able to make informed decisions. | ||
| And if they just had pure cocaine, which they would be able to get if it was legal, instead of the stepped-on bullshit that people are getting, it'd probably be a lot better for you. | ||
| When you talk to Dr. Karl Hart, have you ever had him on your show? | ||
| You should have him on your show. | ||
| You know who he is? | ||
| The guy from Columbia? | ||
| He's brilliant. | ||
| And his perspective is incredible. | ||
| It's very refreshing. | ||
| Because here you got a guy who's a professor at Columbia who talks openly about responsible drug use. | ||
| That he uses drugs and he enjoys them. | ||
| And he's a brilliant man. | ||
| And it's not wasted his life at all. | ||
| It's not ruined him at all. | ||
| And he was a clinical researcher, and before he was a researcher, he was of the opinion that drugs are bad. | ||
| And he bought into all the propaganda about drugs, and he's like, there's no way to use them right. | ||
| They're going to get addicted. | ||
| It's going to fuck you up. | ||
| But along the way, doing actual research, he came to understand what they actually do to you and how they could be used responsibly. | ||
| And he talks about heroin, too, right? | ||
| Yeah, he uses heroin. | ||
| Sniffs heroin. | ||
| So that might not be right for everyone, but we should at least do really good science on who is it right for, what are the protocols, how to do it in a healthy way, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Do you know how many people are on OxyContin right now? | ||
| How many people are on Oxycodone and how many people have back pains and their doctors prescribe some opiates and they take them on a regular basis? | ||
| I would like to know. | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| How many people in the United States regularly take prescribed opiates? | ||
| Because there's very little difference between opiates prescribed in pill form and heroin. | ||
| The difference is, again, with heroin, you're getting it from some fucking crazy sources and you don't know what's in it. | ||
| If you get oxycodone and oxycontin and the various pills that you get opiates in, you're getting it, at least you're getting a pharmaceutical grade version of it. | ||
| And then Jordan Peterson went through hell because of... | ||
| Benzodiazepines. | ||
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| Yeah, that's even differently because that's an anti-anxiety medication. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's also being overprescribed. | ||
| I mean, not overprescribed, but prescribed judiciously. | ||
| Let's see here. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Let's go to 2016. 214,881,622 prescriptions. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Just look at that number. | ||
| Okay, let's just go to 2019 because it drops quite a bit. | ||
| But still, because they tightened down the regulations and there's a lot of documentaries about the abuse of it, but In 2019, it's quite a bit less, but it's still 153,260,450 prescriptions. | ||
| 50% of the population. | ||
| For opioids. | ||
| What's the map look like? | ||
| Rate maps? | ||
| Is there a map of the United States that's kind of connected to this? | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| Opioid dispensing rate per 100 persons. | ||
| 46.7. | ||
| But in 2016, it's 66.5. | ||
| So for every 100 persons in 2016, 66 of them were taking opioids. | ||
| That's fucking wild. | ||
| And that is a financial boom! | ||
| Can you imagine the amount of money they're making off of this? | ||
| And the amount of suffering that's behind those numbers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Three waves of the rise of opioid overdose deaths. | ||
| Heroin's way down there compared to synthetic opioids and the other shit. | ||
| Yeah, fentanyl's the big one, right? | ||
| That's just killing people left and right. | ||
| Fentanyl is, what is it, something like a hundred times stronger than heroin? | ||
| Something bananas like that. | ||
| So... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's the argument Roger Reeves uses. | ||
| It's like, this had never been... | ||
| The war on drugs, this should never have been illegal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, obviously, he ties it into, like, the CIA and the Clintons with me in Arkansas, with Barry Seale. | ||
| There's a lot of interesting stories that... | ||
| I mean, to me, I'm not actually that... | ||
| Like, with Oliver North, I'm not familiar with all of that world, especially just coming from the Soviet Union. | ||
| I wasn't... | ||
| I didn't have this history of... | ||
| There's a lot of shady shit that happened in the past few decades that I've not kind of tuned my mind to. | ||
| Well, they were aware that billions and billions of dollars were being made. | ||
| And so rogue elements of government agencies participated in the trafficking of this and they funneled that money into black operations, you know, like they did with the Sandinistas and the Contras versus the Contras. | ||
| But they've been doing that forever. | ||
| They've been doing that forever. | ||
| And if you thought about drug use and drug illegality, you scaled it down. | ||
| I always like to scale things down to a preposterous number. | ||
| So if there was just the three of us on the world, why would we make anything illegal? | ||
| It was just the three of us. | ||
| There's three guys in this room, you, me, and Jamie. | ||
| We're all grown adults. | ||
| Imagine if Jamie decided that he's the police officer, and if he catches you with heroin, he's going to lock you in a cage. | ||
| It would be preposterous. | ||
| We'd have to pull Jamie aside. | ||
| We'd have to go, Jamie, you can't lock Lex up in jail because he wants to use heroin. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| What if I get violent when I drink? | ||
| And then you would all agree that we don't let Lex drink because he gets violent. | ||
| Would you? | ||
| Wouldn't you just say, let's stay the fuck away from Lex when he's drinking? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Listen, it depends. | ||
| You should be charged with... | ||
| Listen, we already have laws... | ||
| By the way, I'm a friendly drunk. | ||
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I'm not saying... | |
| He is a friendly drunk. | ||
| This is very... | ||
| We already have laws for crimes. | ||
| Do we really need laws for substances that could potentially cause you to commit crimes? | ||
| Because if you get drunk and you are friendly drunk like you are in real life and you just laugh and we have a good time, then that's fine. | ||
| But if you get drunk and you go out there and you want to fight the security guards and you want to go across the street to 7-Eleven and kick somebody's ass, the problem is the actions. | ||
| The problem is not the substance itself. | ||
| The problem is what are you doing when you're on these substances? | ||
| Well, we already have laws to stop you from doing those things. | ||
| Are we saying that if you drink alcohol that it's impossible for you to control your violent urges? | ||
| Well, you have a problem with violent urges. | ||
| It has nothing really to do with alcohol. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This gets into that Michael Malice anarchy question. | ||
| Should you even have an army or police force to protect? | ||
| Michael goes so deep with this. | ||
| He says everything should be legal. | ||
| There should not be rules at all. | ||
| Does he have a gun? | ||
| He's in New York. | ||
| He doesn't have a gun. | ||
| He lives here now. | ||
| He doesn't officially live here. | ||
| Yeah, I think he moves here September 1st. | ||
| Not only does he live here, but he's got to move next door to me. | ||
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Yay! | |
| Good. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| You two together are hilarious, by the way. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| He's a little shit star, that guy. | ||
| Yeah, he is, and he's brilliant at it. | ||
| He's also just like one of the most well-read, one of the most brilliant people I've ever talked to, which is hilarious because he has all of these, sometimes literally, masks that he can put on and take off. | ||
| It's like the most masterful troll I've ever encountered in my life. | ||
| He spent a lot of time on the internet. | ||
| He knows how to stir some shit. | ||
| He's usually classy about it. | ||
| Yes, he's great. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| I think he's amazing. | ||
| And also, I don't know anybody like him. | ||
| Let's celebrate the weirdos. | ||
| It's like Tim Dillon. | ||
| There's a few people that are just like... | ||
| They must be protected. | ||
| They must be protected. | ||
| They're uniquely... | ||
| It makes you happy to be part of this civilization because that thing exists. | ||
| Yeah, they're my favorite. | ||
| I love weirdos. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I celebrate them and I try to boost their signal as much as possible. | ||
| I think we need them. | ||
| We need weirdos. | ||
| As long as they're nice. | ||
| I always wonder, like Elon Musk, I wonder in each industry there's like a rare moment when there's like this weird shooting star, this glimmering weird thing that happens. | ||
| I've been obsessed watching soccer lately, football. | ||
| Really? | ||
| For real. | ||
| Do you know Khabib is going to play football? | ||
| He's going to play soccer now? | ||
| What do you mean, professionally? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, he just signed to a soccer team. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, that's what he wants to do. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, one of his dreams. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's like Michael Jordan playing baseball. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how good he is. | ||
| He might be really good. | ||
| But people are going to tune in to watch. | ||
| Yeah, they'll tune in to watch. | ||
| But I mean, he's done fighting. | ||
| He's like, I'm done. | ||
| I accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish. | ||
| I told my mother I'd quit. | ||
| He's made millions and millions of dollars, and he's also been given millions and millions of dollars by all sorts of very, very rich Muslim people who love him, and they gifted him money. | ||
| And also, he lives very simply. | ||
| Very simply. | ||
| He drives a Toyota truck. | ||
| I've been talking to a lot of Russians lately, and people in Russia love him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would love to talk to that guy in Russian only. | ||
| Oh, I bet he would do it. | ||
| You could have a subtitled version on YouTube. | ||
| Because I think there's a certain way he speaks in English and there's a certain way he speaks in Russian. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| It's very different because he's still not comfortable with English. | ||
| So he speaks like semi-location. | ||
| Send location. | ||
| Send location. | ||
| Which is nice for intimidation, but it's a different thing. | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
| In Russian, you can be more poetic. | ||
| You can be deeper. | ||
| You can be more emotional. | ||
| Like, he doesn't actually know how to be real and emotional in English yet. | ||
| So it takes... | ||
| Because I have the same kind of leap you have to take to be able to be open to the full human experience in another language. | ||
| It's weird how you need to know the language well in order to experience the world in that language. | ||
| If you had to make a judgment between the two languages, which language do you think allows you to express yourself more eloquently? | ||
| So, 100%, Russian is... | ||
| Now, I'm biased a little bit, but I think Russian is a language that is more effective at communicating, feeling, Emotion, suffering. | ||
| The way the language has evolved, because it went through the 20th century, through the wars, through the atrocities, through all of that, I think there's something to that, where the language carries the burden of the people, the suffering of the people with it. | ||
| The American experiment has a different trajectory that results in a different language, and I would say American language is much more simplistic. | ||
| So you can't fuck with the words as much. | ||
| The way the Russian language works, you can adjust the words to completely change the meaning. | ||
| Plus, swearing is an art form in Russia. | ||
| Russians swear a lot more. | ||
| Obviously not Khabib, but generally speaking, Russians swear a lot more than Americans. | ||
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Really? | |
| And swearing is a much richer part of the language. | ||
| So are Russians like American comedians? | ||
| Basically. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So what you find when people suffer, when you go through the war, when you go through poverty, more people become comedians because humor is a way to escape pain. | ||
| We're not talking about professional comedians. | ||
| We're talking about... | ||
| Right. | ||
| You get some vodka, you get a guitar, and you're just shooting the shit. | ||
| There's much more of that energy because there's nothing else to do. | ||
| And then the laughter is one of the only ways to deal with the absurdity of the government taking everything away from you, all those kinds of things. | ||
| And so there's a natural humor to the language, there's a natural ability to like between the lines to communicate pain. | ||
| That's why you have all the poets, there's Dostoevsky, even shooting way farther back Tolstoy. | ||
| So there's a history of literature being used to communicate that pain. | ||
| I think Russian language is better at doing that. | ||
| But there's also kind of a, culturally speaking, there's an inclination to romanticize things, like to be kind of philosophical. | ||
| I think that has to do with the early education system in Russia, under the Soviet Union especially, was such that everybody was forced to read really heavy literature early on, like way early on, and also do some Like math. | ||
| The level of education in Russia in the first five years, the first eight years, leading up to ten, is just an order of magnitude more intense than it is in America. | ||
| Where America catches up is the college. | ||
| America dominates the world in university education. | ||
| But in terms of high school, middle school, elementary school, American education is very soft. | ||
| It doesn't really challenge people. | ||
| It doesn't really push them. | ||
| Russian education system. | ||
| You read all that stuff. | ||
| You read Tolstoy. | ||
| You read Dostoevsky. | ||
| Not only that, you have to memorize hundreds of poems. | ||
| There's a strictness to it where you have to learn, at least when I was coming up, handwriting and you can't make a single mistake. | ||
| So there's an emphasis on perfection. | ||
| I think China has a similar kind of thing. | ||
| Like you're afraid. | ||
| The way I'm afraid when I go to a hard training session for Jiu Jitsu, like beforehand, like fear, I was afraid going to school. | ||
| Because there's an expectation of excellence, there's an expectation of perfection. | ||
| If you suck, You're not going to, like, everybody looks down on you. | ||
| And if you are excellent, everybody celebrates you. | ||
| And that creates a huge amount of pressure. | ||
| But when a lot of the population does that, there's just an intellectual nature to everybody. | ||
| The athletes, just everybody. | ||
| The plumber, everybody in the population is all of a sudden philosophical. | ||
| And that, like, the Satya brothers that are sort of made Dagestan and Russian wrestling famous... | ||
| They're poetic. | ||
| There's just a poetry. | ||
| There's a romanticism. | ||
| There's philosophy in the way people spoke. | ||
| And I think that's connected to the language, but I'm not sure it's like the chicken or the egg. | ||
| I don't know if just the language is being used in this way or the language enables that kind of communication. | ||
| That does make me wonder, because I know English and Russian, how much I'm losing that I can't speak Chinese or Japanese or Portuguese. | ||
| Like, how much of the culture am I missing that I'll never get a chance to truly deeply experience? | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that if you could understand Mandarin, if you could speak Mandarin and Get an understanding of how the government communicates with the people, how the government controls people in China, what they allow, what kind of conversations they allow. | ||
| I'm sure you saw the John Cena video where he was apologizing to China. | ||
| I would love to hear these billionaires that are apologizing to China, like Jack Ma. | ||
| They disappeared him for four months and then he came back and he was happy to be alive. | ||
| They took billions of dollars from his company, devalued it, did a lot of weird shit, right? | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| He criticized the government in some way? | ||
| I don't even know, did he criticize? | ||
| I believe he did. | ||
| I believe that was his fatal flaw. | ||
| And many people thought he was dead because they've done that before. | ||
| There have been billionaires before that stepped out of line and they vanished forever. | ||
| And either they're in a jail somewhere or who the fuck knows. | ||
| But it's fascinating because they have this weird combination of capitalism and dictatorship. | ||
| But the censorship there and the surveillance, that's a perfect atmosphere for brilliant writing to emerge in the shadows, right? | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's the same with the Soviet Union. | ||
| Because people don't want to be, the human spirit doesn't want to be oppressed in this way. | ||
| But in the Soviet Union, it was never the kind of electronic censorship. | ||
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| See, the problem with electronic censorship is it's all entailing. | ||
| You can't hide in a pub somewhere. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, you can't go into a basement and... | ||
| I mean, you can, but the reality is most communication is done digitally. | ||
| It's done online. | ||
| And when they have their tentacles into all these servers and into everyone's phone and into everyone's computer, The consequences of communicating openly are very real. | ||
| Yeah, but first of all, the surveillance is not perfect. | ||
| But second of all, even without electronics, what surveillance used to look like is what is currently in North Korea is you don't know who to trust. | ||
| You feel like everybody, your parents, your sister, your brother, your kids are all watching you. | ||
| Well, they all report on each other in North Korea. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| And so, like, that's... | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| Basically, it takes a person who says, I don't care. | ||
| I'm willing to die for the things that are in my heart. | ||
| I'm going to put them on paper. | ||
| And I'm going to write some of the greatest literature, some of the greatest poetry ever written. | ||
| I mean, that... | ||
| That's kind of what I'm saying is I wish I was able to connect to that literature being written right now in China. | ||
| That probably is circulating and a lot of people know, but we just don't have a connection because China is a good example, at least from the way I understand, of there being a very big gap culturally and language-wise between America and China. | ||
| Even bigger than I would say between America and Russia. | ||
| So it really is a leap of language, a leap of culture required to truly understand the people. | ||
| And it's sad that we can't. | ||
| Or at least I feel like that's a huge learning curve, a huge burden to connect. | ||
| Because these are like power centers. | ||
| China's getting stronger and stronger. | ||
| And I believe the way forward isn't through war. | ||
| It's through love, through connecting, through mixing the cultures and all that. | ||
| But because of the language gap, that might be difficult. | ||
| They have their own social networks. | ||
| They have their own internet, essentially. | ||
| They have their own in-house thing. | ||
| Yeah, but they have illegal songs. | ||
| You're not allowed to sing and karaoke. | ||
| I mean, the overwhelming censorship that they have and the overwhelming control that they have over the population is very different than what we tolerate currently. | ||
| My concern over here is that we're moving towards some sort of social credit score. | ||
| And I think that's one of the big concerns that people have with vaccine passports and things along those lines. | ||
| It's a slippery slope. | ||
| And to inviting this kind of control over the population and to make it to normalize it. | ||
| And to make it, you go from that to this and make it so that they have access to your whereabouts. | ||
| And because, you know, they need to track you for COVID-19 or COVID-23 or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| When they ramp things up and make them even more intrusive than we have, we can get closer to what they have in China. | ||
| And it's fucking dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, it's terrifying because people, for the most part, are losing trust in our institutions and governments and being able to use something like vaccine passport data to help us as opposed to limit our freedoms. | ||
| And that's really disappointing because things like vaccine passports might be effective if it was done by competent institutions. | ||
| But right now, I would definitely be against something like that. | ||
| Well, the problem with it is you can still transmit it and you can still catch it. | ||
| So if it was a vaccine passport for polio, okay. | ||
| Or the measles, okay. | ||
| But you're talking about a vaccine that does not prevent you from catching this disease, nor does it prevent you from spreading it. | ||
| So it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| The effectiveness of the vaccine is in that it significantly lowers your probability of dying. | ||
| So that's the pro for the vaccine. | ||
| That's a really important thing about the vaccine. | ||
| In the short term. | ||
| And everything about the long-term, we don't know. | ||
| We don't know, yeah. | ||
| That's the discussion with ivermectin. | ||
| It's like, what do we know about the long-term? | ||
| It's been used for a long time, but we still don't have a good understanding of long-term positive or negative effects of ivermectin. | ||
| We don't have a good understanding of positive and negative long-term effects of mRNA vaccines. | ||
| But they have other things for therapeutics like Regeneron, the monoclonal antibodies that show incredible effectiveness. | ||
| There's other things that they do that, you know, help people when they have the disease. | ||
| But as far as I understand, I mean the data on vaccines, it's like you have a set of solutions and the question is which one has the best ratio of benefits to risks. | ||
| It seems to me that the vaccine has the best benefit to risk ratio. | ||
| It's very confusing to me that we're not opening schools and still behaving in certain parts of the United States like we're on lockdown. | ||
| Even though there's vaccines. | ||
| So that's really confusing to me because from my understanding, taking the vaccine significantly lowers your risk of death or ending up in a hospital. | ||
| So if anyone who wants to take the vaccine or is at risk or wants to lower their risk of dying will take the vaccine. | ||
| Everyone else accepts the risk of dying. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Open up the society. | ||
| I don't understand why it's not completely open now. | ||
| So you have full freedom. | ||
| There's more than enough vaccines to take the vaccine. | ||
| There are vaccines available to be vaccinated. | ||
| And from that point, it's on you to decide what are the risks you're willing to accept. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of issues, right? | ||
| Certain companies want to force people to be vaccinated and then there's the issues of side effects of vaccines and whether or not they're fully understood and particularly long term and whether or not they've been fully reported. | ||
| And then also there's a lack of responsibility. | ||
| The vaccine manufacturers don't have any responsibility in terms of what does or does not happen to someone once they can't be sued. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the problem is the source of information for the effectiveness of vaccines and the risks are coming from centralized institutions that have completely lost trust of the public. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like, you know... | ||
| Well, have you ever Googled, like, the lawsuits that are involved in the judgments against the various companies that have built these vaccines? | ||
| It's some stunning corruption in the past and some horrible cases where they've shown to withhold evidence and studies. | ||
| People don't trust pharmaceutical companies and they haven't for a long time. | ||
| And now there's a lot of money to be made to get people vaccinated and to make that public policy. | ||
| That's an understatement. | ||
| It's a huge amount of money. | ||
| And so the incentives are not well aligned. | ||
| And then there's people who, I mean, there's not enough authentic, strong leadership. | ||
| You have somebody like Fauci, who basically nobody really trusts anymore, as being the chief communicator of how we proceed forward. | ||
| That's a huge problem. | ||
| You don't have just the fact that people don't trust him. | ||
| You have the mainstream media ignoring all the things that he's done that would lead people to distrust him, particularly financing EcoHealth Alliance, which was responsible for gain-of-function research in Wuhan, which is responsible, perhaps, for the leak of this fucking virus in the first place. | ||
| Which, by the way, if he was completely transparent about that, he was able to just talk about it normally, like a human being. | ||
| There was a lot of interesting arguments about gain-of-function research for a long time. | ||
| It's very difficult to understand whether it should be funded. | ||
| I think it definitely should not be funded. | ||
| We should not be doing gain-of-function research. | ||
| Well, if they are doing it, it should be done with responsible labs. | ||
| And they know that that lab in Wuhan was cited in 2018 for safety violations. | ||
| But the problem to me with Fauci isn't the actions he did, it's the lack of transparency and just basic human, authentic communication. | ||
| It's the same problem as with Bill Gates. | ||
| I think Bill Gates is a brilliant person, I like him, but there's something shady about the way he communicates about stuff. | ||
| Whenever he buys a lot of land, he's not very clear about communicating why he bought that land. | ||
| And so immediately, conspiracy theories spring up that spread effectively through our Q friend, And others like him. | ||
| And the final result that hurts my heart deeply is the mistrust in science. | ||
| So like mistrust in scientific institutions lead to mistrust in science. | ||
| And then there's like this kind of sense that science sucks. | ||
| No, science and technology enables the high quality of life that you currently have. | ||
| It gives you the freedom to be able to tweet and the freedom period to choose the path in life for most of the people in the United States. | ||
| That's science and technology. | ||
| Also to get medical help on an infinite number of conditions you might have. | ||
| That's science. | ||
| The best aspect of life that you can think of are presented by science today. | ||
| So there's a lot of great stuff being done by science. | ||
| Don't let shady, greedy assholes at the very kind of top that are communicating science as part of our government be somehow connected to what is the essence of science. | ||
| So that to me hurts me in this conversation about vaccines is that somehow it's somehow leading to a mistrust in all the amazing things that science has brought us. | ||
| There's also a problem with people like him where they say things, they say these statements, these statements that you're led to believe that they have an understanding of the situation, and they clearly can tell you where it's going and what's possible and where we're at with the virus. | ||
| But then it turns out they're 100% wrong. | ||
| But then they come up with a new statement, and you're supposed to believe that. | ||
| Remember, like, in the beginning, he was saying that masks are ineffective. | ||
| He was saying there's no asymptomatic transmission of the virus. | ||
| There's all these different statements. | ||
| They were saying that it's just... | ||
| When they don't know, they never say, we don't know. | ||
| They don't say, this is very confusing and we're trying to figure it out as we go along. | ||
| And this is the best course of action currently under the current amount of uncertainty. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's so many wrong ways that the communication has been done. | ||
| First of all, this is true for a lot of scientists at the top, is they're talking down to people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm allergic to this. | ||
| Fauci certainly is. | ||
| He is as if he is bringing down the Ten Commandments from the sky. | ||
| He talked about it in third person. | ||
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| It's ego. | ||
| At the end of the day, it's ego. | ||
| And ego is the thing that destroys all awesome things. | ||
| If you let ego get in the way, that's always going to destroy things. | ||
| So I'm sure Fauci was an excellent scientist for most of his life. | ||
| The higher and higher you get in a position, especially administrative positions, that power starts getting to you. | ||
| Well, he's used to communicating for most of his career without the internet. | ||
| You gotta think, he was the guy who was the head of the United States response to the AIDS crisis. | ||
| And he was the guy who was responsible, I don't know what his exact role was, in prescribing AZT for people who had AIDS, which turned out to be disastrous. | ||
| Okay, so, you know, I don't know the actual decisions. | ||
| I'm sure he might have, there have been a lot of things we're not saying that made him a great scientist. | ||
| The point is, he's not a great communicator of science, or certainly a great leader. | ||
| And what we need now is a great leader to communicate the current data available in the vaccines, as far as I understand. | ||
| Objectively. | ||
| Like, from everything I see, and that's why, like, Brett Weinstein stands on his own with, like, an army of mainstream media against them, sort of communicating what are the different options out there, like Ivermectin, one of them. | ||
| He may very well be wrong. | ||
| I tend to think the effectiveness of ivermectin will not be as high as he predicts. | ||
| I think the effectiveness of ivermectin has only been really proven in terms of prophylactic. | ||
| As a prophylactic, I think it has a high level of effectiveness according to some of the studies that they've done like out of Argentina and a few other places where they did it with frontline workers. | ||
| I think the studies and some of them have been shown to be not great studies. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's challenges to that. | ||
| The point is not enough studies have been done. | ||
| It should be a long time ago. | ||
| There should have been large scale studies done and it should have been treated as a serious alternative. | ||
| Or at least studied as a serious alternative. | ||
| Studied as a serious alternative. | ||
| And then on the vaccine side, I mean, it all comes down to effectiveness. | ||
| Which is more effective, the vaccine or ivermectin? | ||
| That should be studied really well. | ||
| There's really good data on the vaccine now. | ||
| The point... | ||
| There's the ability to collect really good data on the vaccine, but the way it's being collected is very shady in terms of breakthrough cases and not being measured well. | ||
| And on the flip side, the reporting of when the use of the vaccine leads to side effects is not done well. | ||
| People are over-reporting it. | ||
| Over-reporting? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| The point is they're free to just say, you're free to report a death because of the vaccine. | ||
| Like, there's some crazy number being reported death because... | ||
| You're talking about the VAERS report? | ||
| Yeah, the VAERS. Yeah, that database. | ||
| Like, that's not good data collection. | ||
| Because you basically... | ||
| Again, something like Q could lead, like, armies of people to report stuff. | ||
| Yeah, that is a real problem, right? | ||
| If someone decided to misinform people purposely and then talk about, you know, the under-reporting of side effects and what's really going on and how, you know, the long-term effects have been demonstrated but they're holding that information from you and then people start leaking that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the final result is nobody trusts anything, so you don't know what to do. | ||
| And then how are you supposed to proceed forward? | ||
| And then government kind of continues wanting to gain more and more power by sort of doing actions like lockdowns and enforcing vaccinations and all those kinds of things because that allows you to grow government. | ||
| And the whole thing is just... | ||
| It feels like it's not heading towards a solution. | ||
| To me, there's a few obvious solutions from the very beginning. | ||
| There should have been the world's largest infrastructure project for testing. | ||
| There should be at-home testing every single day from May of 2020. It's super cheap, less than a dollar to manufacture tests taken every single day. | ||
| That data is not being collected. | ||
| It gives you complete knowledge and freedom to make your own decisions whether to go out or not. | ||
| Well, there's the other problem, is that as soon as there's a crisis, then the government changes its position from working for the people, people that are elected to work for you, to try to make life better and more organized, to someone who controls people and tells them what to do because of the safety of the masses. | ||
| And this is not a debatable issue. | ||
| They get to decide. | ||
| Look what's going on in Australia right now. | ||
| Australia is fucking madness. | ||
| They have very, very few deaths, very few cases, and they've got everything locked down. | ||
| They have places in supermarkets and stores... | ||
| Roped off where you can't go into them because they're non-essential areas of a store. | ||
| Like someone sent me some photos of these areas of stores with like party supplies and things like that. | ||
| They literally have like a rope around it and a sign that says these are non-essential goods. | ||
| You are forbidden for going into this area. | ||
| This store is only for essential items. | ||
| And the number of deaths over there and the number of cases is very low. | ||
| But they're trying in a very draconian way to eliminate any possible future. | ||
| They want to keep people in their houses. | ||
| The military is circling over houses and yelling out at people at bullhorns, get back in your house. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| I'd love to hear what you think the solution is. | ||
| From my understanding, and it's a very limited understanding, I think you should definitely not have any kind of vaccine passports. | ||
| I don't trust the government enough to allow... | ||
| Any kind of control of your ability to travel and your whereabouts. | ||
| I do not trust them. | ||
| That said, I've looked at quite a bit of the data. | ||
| I may be wrong on this. | ||
| I talked to Brett. | ||
| I talked to Sam Harris. | ||
| I think it's a wise choice to take the vaccine. | ||
| If you're at all concerned about ending up in a hospital. | ||
| So if you have any kind of conditions that might lead to... | ||
| You're talking about if someone's obese or if someone's older? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if you are a person who's a high-risk group, it's probably a good idea. | ||
| My parents have been vaccinated. | ||
| But it's hard to know what's... | ||
| I know quite a few people that COVID really leveled that are not a high-risk group. | ||
| They're in reasonably good shape, not obese. | ||
| Were they run down when they got it? | ||
| That's... | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| See, I know a lot of people that got hit really hard, and I also know a lot of people who brushed it off like it was nothing. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| That's very difficult. | ||
| That's the scary thing about this. | ||
| It's very confusing. | ||
| And also when you're dealing with different variants, it's very confusing because you have different results. | ||
| There is a different impact on people. | ||
| And then there's this new Lambda variant that supposedly is immune to the vaccine. | ||
| Yeah, so you're going to get this kind of influenza, flu type of situation where there's going to be... | ||
| I mean, that's one possible future is we're going to keep getting variants. | ||
| So you can't just, like, hope that the vaccine will somehow destroy the virus. | ||
| You might every single year start getting variants. | ||
| We have to figure out a set of policies that allow us to open up the society. | ||
| But can you remember in recent memory... | ||
| Any topic of conversation has divided people more than this vaccine topic or made people more angry than this vaccine topic. | ||
| Well, there's Trump. | ||
| Yeah, it's close. | ||
| It's close. | ||
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| Global warming, Trump. | ||
| No, global warming, it seems like, unless it's happening right now. | ||
| The thing is, it is affecting you, but then you go in your house and the AC's on, you get mad, but it's not the same kind of mad. | ||
| There's a mad that people have about vaccines, particularly people that have taken the vaccine and want everybody to take the vaccine. | ||
| Even people that are obese and don't take care of themselves, they somehow or another feel like they've done their responsibility. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, you're right, because the topic of the vaccine, actually, there's very few people in the middle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, very few people, like, being open-minded to everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most people are, like, emotionally saying, fuck you and your vaccine, or saying... | ||
| Fuck you, take the vaccine. | ||
| Take the vaccine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very uncomfortable to be in the middle of this. | ||
| And it's also, it's one of those things where people have a position and then they get very emotional and very angry supporting their position, defending their position, and attacking the other position. | ||
| Well, you're either attacking my family's health or you're attacking my freedom. | ||
| That's the way they think about it. | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
| You may be supporting the pharmaceutical industrial complex that may or may not be killing people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like you get into these weird conversations with people when it comes to that. | ||
| Have you ever heard the former vice president of Pfizer talk about the vaccine? | ||
| I'll send you a link. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| This guy has some very strong opinions about it and said he would have resigned if he was working there when they were releasing the vaccines. | ||
| People have super strong opinions about this. | ||
| And I think over time we're going to find out what side was correct. | ||
| We're going to find out. | ||
| It's going to take a while to really sort through all the data and figure out have the side effects been overblown? | ||
| Have the side effects been underreported? | ||
| Like what exactly does this stuff do to you in the long term? | ||
| Because right now we don't know. | ||
| The problem is we live in an age where we don't look back. | ||
| So yes, we'll know. | ||
| There'll be documents and data released who was right on this, whether masks were an effective solution, whether vaccines were effective solutions. | ||
| But there'll be a new problem. | ||
| There'll be a new problem and nobody will give a shit. | ||
| Well, there'll be something that obfuscates it. | ||
| There'll be something that overwhelms us in the moment where we won't think about what happened six months ago or a year ago. | ||
| So we have to learn to solve things now. | ||
| There's plenty of data. | ||
| If it was done correctly, there's plenty of data on vaccines. | ||
| If it was done correctly, there should have been already plenty of good data on ivermectin. | ||
| But there's no data on vaccines in terms of long-term side effects. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no data on most things of its nature. | ||
| There's long-term data on vaccines for other things. | ||
| They're not mRNA. | ||
| But the mRNA one, the thing is about is the spike protein. | ||
| The spike protein. | ||
| And what the spike protein does to the body. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's also, very importantly, not good long-term data on the effects of COVID, the virus. | ||
| And using basic medical intuition, the destructive nature of COVID, the virus, is worse than the vaccines. | ||
| We don't know that for sure. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| The long COVID thing is freaky to people. | ||
| And what's weird is that some people, long COVID is actually mitigated by the vaccine. | ||
| So people that have had long COVID and then get vaccinated afterwards, apparently it helps them with long COVID. And then you have... | ||
| Whatever the fuck long COVID is. | ||
| I don't even like saying that. | ||
| That sounds kind of badass to me. | ||
| Long COVID? Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It sounds like... | ||
| I would hope, and this is one thing that I'm kind of disappointed, that there would be some sort of a push for health. | ||
| There'd be a push for people to change their diet and start a rigorous exercise routine. | ||
| One of the things that we are absolutely sure of is that the people that get hit the hardest are the people that are in poor shape. | ||
| People that are obese, people that have underlying health conditions, a lot of them that could be mitigated by exercise and diet and a loss of weight. | ||
| There's so many people that have all sorts of health problems that could be mitigated by becoming healthy and losing weight. | ||
| And there's no push for this at all. | ||
| It's only pharmaceutical interventions. | ||
| That's all you're hearing. | ||
| And that's nuts. | ||
| I would love Biden or Fauci to just tell everybody to get on a treadmill. | ||
| I'll go do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It's putting people in this position where you leave them completely disempowered. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The only thing you can do is take a shot. | ||
| This is the only thing you can do. | ||
| Well, there's probably some room in the middle where someone should say, this is probably going to be exacerbated by the fact that you're obese. | ||
| So if you lost weight and you got healthier, you'd have a way better time of it if you caught it, and you're going to have a way better life, period. | ||
| And wouldn't this be a good time to do this now, now that we realize that we're in a health crisis? | ||
| But there's no discussion to this. | ||
| And it's so frustrating for someone, and yourself too, someone who takes care of themselves, someone who does exercise on a regular basis. | ||
| Yeah, I would love to see those studies, like how much cardio you do per week versus the effect of COVID on you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That'd be interesting. | ||
| I mean, yeah, ultimately that has to do with the long-term health care, like being in shape, being healthy, all those kinds of things. | ||
| This is anecdotal in nature, but the people that I know that don't exercise got hit hardest. | ||
| The people I know that are in really good shape got the easiest time of it. | ||
| This is a good plug for jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It's a good plug for running. | ||
| It's a good plug for exercise, diet, and just metabolic health, taking care of yourself. | ||
| You know, also different stressors like heat and cold and different things that people do. | ||
| There was a good paper that was written about a sauna and COVID-19. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| About how the temperature that your body can tolerate, you know, in terms of like sauna, is far higher than what COVID can tolerate. | ||
| And as a mitigating therapy, heat therapy, and sauna bathing, I'll send it to you. | ||
| Very interesting study. | ||
| I wonder what the effects of ice bath are. | ||
| Yeah, same thing. | ||
| Extreme temperatures? | ||
| Extreme temperatures producing anti-inflammatory cytokines that can help you with all sorts of issues. | ||
| Yeah, Huberman is really big on the ice bath. | ||
| He's been doing a lot of that. | ||
| I don't know if you've talked to him about it. | ||
| But you know, Wim Hof proved during a scientific study where they injected him with E. coli. | ||
| And he controlled it with these wild ass breathing exercises that he does. | ||
| Did you ever read that study? | ||
| No. | ||
| Combined with the cold? | ||
| Yeah, they did it at a university. | ||
| No, not combined with the cold, just his breathing exercises. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Find out that study that they did with Wim Hof and what university it was at. | ||
| But, you know, he was trying to explain that you can regulate your immune system with breathing exercises, these crazy deep breathing exercises. | ||
| And, you know, most people hear that and they go, what kind of fucking nonsense is that? | ||
| But he proved it. | ||
| Like, they monitored him and they injected him with E. coli. | ||
| And I believe within 15 minutes his body had fought it off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many mysteries to the human body. | ||
| Breath is like the big one. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we know for a fact that it does have an impact on your immune system. | ||
| It sounds like complete horseshit, woo-woo, new age nonsense. | ||
| I mean, you had Hickson in here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He understood something about the breath for performance. | ||
| Well, I think for performance, but also for control of your emotions. | ||
| And you can achieve these states of harmony with all the systems of your body where you have some sort of autonomous control over it. | ||
| He's a wild man. | ||
| Wim Hof is a wild man. | ||
| The Iceman Wim Hof is long viewed as scientifically impossible. | ||
| It wasn't until the first, how do you say that? | ||
| Radboud? | ||
| Radboud University study in 2011? | ||
| That things really kicked off. | ||
| Studies show that by using his method, Wim was able to voluntarily influence his autonomic nervous system, something which until then was thought impossible. | ||
| This groundbreaking finding published in PNAS and Nature established credibility, quite literally rewrote biology textbooks, and piqued scientist's curiosity. | ||
| What does it say though that they did though? | ||
| There's actually some papers that showed Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Voluntary activation of the sympathetic nervous system attenuation of the innate immune response in humans. | ||
| So this is the study, this is the very same study? | ||
| Were they injected him? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| I'm not 100% sure. | ||
| You think he'd be the only subject? | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| Yeah, I typed in Wienhoff study, you know, and this is the top thing that popped up. | ||
| Right, here it is. | ||
| It talks about cytokines and inflammatory, and I didn't see anything about an injection, but I didn't search the... | ||
| I'm trying to look at it fast. | ||
| Right, it just doesn't name him specifically, but this is the actual study. | ||
| Yeah, they don't like... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| They don't usually like to name subjects. | ||
| Well, the thing about him is that he has a gigantic history of these breathing exercises. | ||
| So he's become an expert then, and he's finely tuned. | ||
| It's not like someone who's like, well, I hope this works. | ||
| Like, he has a very strong belief in the ability to regulate his immune system. | ||
| Some of that is mental, right? | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| How much of it is? | ||
| Say that it is. | ||
| This endotoxin was obtained from the Pharmaceutical Development Section of the National Institutes of Health, supplied as a lyophilized... | ||
| Lyophilized powder and was reconstituted in five milliliters of saline at 0.9% for the injection and vortex mixed for at least 20 minutes after reconstitution. | ||
| The LPS solution was administered as an IV bolus injection at a dose of two nanograms per kilogram body weight in one... | ||
| Placed in an anticubital vein to permit infusion of 0.9 NACI solution. | ||
| The subjects received... | ||
| Boy, there's a lot of fucking scientific terminology here. | ||
| I was just showing you the E. coli part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is the study. | ||
| This is like in extreme scientific terms. | ||
| Yeah, I like the details of exactly what they did. | ||
| Yeah, continuous monitoring of blood pressure and blood sampling, heart rate, blood pressure, respiratory rate, oxygen saturation data were recorded from a Philips MP50 patient monitor every 30 seconds by a custom in-house developed data recording system starting at one hour before administration of LPS until discharge from the intensive care unit eight hours after LPS administration. | ||
| This is really interesting shit. | ||
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| So this is, like, thoroughly monitoring. | ||
| I like how they studied him as a single, like, gorilla specimen. | ||
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| Some fucking alien. | ||
| Well, I mean, he also, like, he holds the world record, or he held the world record of swimming under ice. | ||
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| You know, and all this stuff is with breathwork and his ability to control his mind and his emotions and... | ||
| To be completely in tune with his body. | ||
| He was a yoga instructor, so he's been a yogi before that. | ||
| His whole life study has been about his body and about balance and being able to control all of his systems. | ||
| And he's such an intense human. | ||
| When you're around Wim Hof and he's talking to you about breathing, you get a sense that there's this energy that this guy has, this power that this guy has. | ||
| And so when you think about that in terms of what he's able to do with this study, you go, okay, well, how much of this is applicable to a regular person? | ||
| And how long does it take to get... | ||
| Is this like a black belt in jujitsu? | ||
| Like, I can show you an arm bar, but can you do it to me? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if you show a white belt an arm bar, I take some guy and go, hey, I'm going to show you how to do an arm bar, and then you're going to put me in your guard, and then you're going to try to do an arm bar. | ||
| It's two very different things. | ||
| But black belt, you can get... | ||
| There's black belts and there's black belts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can get a black belt in 10 years, say, but then... | ||
| There's a Hicks and Gracie black belt. | ||
| Can anyone become a Gordon Ryan, a Hicks and Gracie? | ||
| Can anyone become that? | ||
| Not everyone. | ||
| Can anyone become Wim Hof? | ||
| Right. | ||
| How much time does it take to have that kind of control of your body? | ||
| See, I tend to believe, I'm with Donahar on this, I tend to believe basically almost anybody can become that. | ||
| I mean, there's a few ingredients, but with the right coaching, with the right sort of focus, I think maybe not the greatest ever, but you can become pretty damn good. | ||
| Well, you have to have physical resiliency in jujitsu, meaning that your body has to hold up through the training. | ||
| That's the difference between jujitsu and, say, breathing exercises. | ||
| The breathing exercises, the risk of injury isn't there. | ||
| The thing about jujitsu is there's constant strain on the discs and the joints. | ||
| There's guys that just aren't going to make it, you know? | ||
| And there's quite a few, in fact. | ||
| Especially if you train the way that the Don Hurd Death Squad does. | ||
| I mean, these guys, like Gordon Ryan, train seven days a week, 365 days a year. | ||
| They don't take off days for Christmas. | ||
| They don't take off days for New Year's, Easter. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Get in here on the mats. | ||
| And Don Hurd doesn't take days off, so they don't take days off either. | ||
| By the way, can I just say, it's probably partially your influence, but they're all a little bit separate. | ||
| Mom and Dad are fighting, but they're all moving to Austin, Texas, which I love. | ||
| Craig's already here. | ||
| I'd like to give a shout-out to Gabe Tuttle, I guess, from 10th Planet. | ||
| Yeah, I love Gabe. | ||
| I've been training at that 10th Planet. | ||
| If anyone wants to train with me, it's 10th Planet. | ||
| It's a great school. | ||
| If you're a beginner, too, you should definitely check it out. | ||
| Craig's already here. | ||
| You may already know him from his OnlyFans account. | ||
| Subscribe. | ||
| Does he really have an OnlyFans account? | ||
| Yeah, he actually does. | ||
| I think he just talks, like yells at people for having bad jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I haven't actually checked out. | ||
| So he actually has an OnlyFans gift to subscribe to? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's paid or not. | ||
| We're giving a lot of air for Craig's OnlyFans account. | ||
| There it is! | ||
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| That's what I always come second. | ||
| Objectively speaking. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| 1,000 likes. | ||
| He's the guy that had a serious reaction to the vaccine. | ||
| Serious. | ||
| Like his whole body filled up with fluid. | ||
| It was nasty. | ||
| And he never took the second shot because of it. | ||
| Did you ever see the videos of it? | ||
| I haven't seen the videos. | ||
| His lymph nodes were leaking into the side of his body and he got to the point where it was like a water balloon. | ||
| He could touch his body and he was in bed for like 10 or 11 days after the vaccine. | ||
| So he's the first person that made me kind of think twice about the vaccine because he's obviously one of the best, a person who is in one of the greatest shapes possible, right? | ||
| He's elite level athlete. | ||
| Elite level shape. | ||
| And the fact that he has such an extreme reaction to the vaccine, that makes you think twice. | ||
| Yeah, but again, you know, it's anecdotal. | ||
| You have to look at large-scale data, and the large-scale data is not being communicated. | ||
| But large-scale data doesn't help. | ||
| The whole idea that it's anecdotal doesn't help if you're the guy who got laid out. | ||
| Yeah, no, for you on the personal level. | ||
| But he, so I really, I love training with him. | ||
| Can't wait to train with Donahar, because they value, I mean, people might not know Jiu-Jitsu well, but they value wrestling. | ||
| I think Donna posted something about Jiu Jitsu is not just about techniques, but it's an opportunity for self-expression. | ||
| I always saw martial arts that way, like an opportunity to To, like, create art with your... | ||
| There's a reason why it's called martial arts. | ||
| Yeah, it sounds pretentious, but, like, for me, wrestling and... | ||
| How do you put it politely? | ||
| But, like, wrestling-style dominance was always exciting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, through technique, dominating an opponent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there's certain things, like... | ||
| Chokes and arm breaks were always exciting to me. | ||
| That's why I've never been, still am not a fan of twisting footlock, so like keel hooks and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| It's beautiful and you need to understand it. | ||
| It's a really important part of the game. | ||
| But I don't consider it art for me. | ||
| If I was a painter, I wouldn't use... | ||
| Because to me, it still feels a little like playing footsie. | ||
| What? | ||
| Versus... | ||
| You're losing me right now. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| We're different. | ||
| You're a different painter. | ||
| But it's a technique. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Why that specific technique do you think is not artistic, but like a choke is? | ||
| Sorry, to be clear, I'm not judging other artists creating with that. | ||
| Obviously, it's one of the most important submissions to understand. | ||
| Craig works on it really well. | ||
| But just like Craig said, Donaher says the same thing. | ||
| Like, it's like a hundred to a thousand times harder to understand how to attack with footlocks than to defend them. | ||
| I want to understand the defensive game. | ||
| You have to understand the entirety of the systems to defend. | ||
| But to be a master at attacking is just not something that pulls me, like, pulls at me from an artistic perspective. | ||
| Is that also because of your background, that you didn't grow up and develop with leg locks? | ||
| But I was familiar with sambo, so there's a tradition in sambo. | ||
| But I just fell in love with the artistry of wrestling and judo, which is so much more about... | ||
| I would say it's about throws. | ||
| It just has a very different look. | ||
| I would say it's about the upper body. | ||
| Maybe that's the way to put it. | ||
| Yeah, there's like hand fighting. | ||
| I mean, the way Craig talks about it is like footlocks is just like hand fighting but with feet. | ||
| So I just liked hand fighting with hands. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you ever strike? | ||
| Have you done any striking? | ||
| Yeah, I love hitting the heavy bag. | ||
| Have you done any sparring or anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| But not like seriously. | ||
| I love hitting things. | ||
| Occasionally you'll see a fighter that does something very artistic and striking that sort of elevates the standard. | ||
| Did you see the Derrick Lewis serial gun fight? | ||
| No. | ||
| You need to see that. | ||
| There's a knockout. | ||
| Derrick Lewis got a knockout, right? | ||
| No, Cyril Ghosn beat the shit out of him. | ||
| He shut him out. | ||
| He shut him out. | ||
| Like, it was a shutout for, I think, I think he stopped him in the third. | ||
| But, I mean, Cyril Ghosn, who's 6'5", 247 pounds, moves like a 170 pounder. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's bouncing like Wonderboy. | ||
| Bouncing like this the entire fight. | ||
| Bouncing, throwing feints. | ||
| Completely changed the standard of heavyweight striking. | ||
| And I'm not exaggerating. | ||
| I watched it three times. | ||
| I watched it today, in fact. | ||
| I watched it in the gym today while I was working out. | ||
| So better than in terms of movement, in terms of he's the best moving heavyweight? | ||
| There's no question he is the best moving heavyweight I've ever seen. | ||
| No question. | ||
| The best moving. | ||
| It doesn't mean that, like, this is the way he fights. | ||
| Like, look at how he, like, every time Derek Lewis goes to set up to move towards him, Cyril Ghosn is nowhere to be found. | ||
| He lit Derek Lewis up, man. | ||
| And every time Derek Lewis comes to him, like, look at that jab. | ||
| I mean, his movement in terms of closing the distance is spectacular. | ||
| Look at that front-leg front kick to the body. | ||
| And I was severely impressed. | ||
| I mean, he had beaten a lot of really good guys. | ||
| Like, he beat Jairzinho Rosenstreich. | ||
| He beat Junior Dos Santos, whose best days are behind him. | ||
| But, you know, he's beaten some very, very good fighters. | ||
| But to watch the way he beat... | ||
| Derek Lewis, who's a legit one-punch knockout threat, and the technical acumen that he showed, the skill, the technique, the footwork, the movement, the understanding of distance, the ability to control everything that happened inside the octagon was spectacular. | ||
| That's art. | ||
| It changed my opinion of how a fight with him and Francis Ngannou would go down. | ||
| At first, my thought is that Francis Ngannou has the nuclear option with everybody. | ||
| He has such fucking power. | ||
| So does Derek Lewis. | ||
| So does Derek Lewis. | ||
| But Francis Ngannou... | ||
| He has the hydrogen bomb. | ||
| Derek Lewis has the atomic. | ||
| Well, they both have crazy one-punch power. | ||
| But... | ||
| When you watch Cyril Gaon, you go, man, how the fuck does anybody... | ||
| It's like Francis has excellent technique. | ||
| Francis has ridiculous power. | ||
| But he doesn't have the movement that Gaon has. | ||
| The question is, can Francis deal with the movement and maybe threaten him in a way that Derek Lewis didn't figure out how to? | ||
| And that's what makes the fight so interesting. | ||
| But the way that guy moves... | ||
| It's something special, man. | ||
| You only saw little highlights of it there, but I've watched it pretty carefully in the three times that I've watched it. | ||
| I can't think of a single heavyweight that I've ever seen move like that. | ||
| And there's no flaws in his clinch game. | ||
| He understands how to avoid the takedown. | ||
| He understands pummeling. | ||
| He understands distance and where he's safe, where he's not safe, and what to look for when he's pulling out of the clinch to not get hit. | ||
| It's really amazing, man. | ||
| He's on a fucking real high level, and he's undefeated. | ||
| So I think he's 9-0 now, or 10-0. | ||
| So he's going to get a title shot? | ||
| Well, he's the interim heavyweight champion now. | ||
| Oh, that was for the heavyweight champion. | ||
| Which is weird, right? | ||
| It's like Ngannou just won the fucking title. | ||
| He's not injured. | ||
| It's just like the UFC and Ngannou were at some sort of a weird impasse, so they decided to make an interim title, which brings up all sorts of ethical discussions about what is an interim title, when is it If the organization could just decide, oh, the negotiations aren't going so well, we're just going to have an interim title. | ||
| How many months after? | ||
| When did he fight Stipe? | ||
| When did Francis Ngannou fight Stipe? | ||
| Let's take a guess. | ||
| That's 2020. Was it? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| It was definitely during the pandemic because it was at the... | ||
| I think it was November or something like that. | ||
| It was at the Apex Center. | ||
| March 27th. | ||
| Of 2021? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It feels like way longer ago. | ||
| Five months ago. | ||
| Yeah, five. | ||
| Okay, five is longer. | ||
| That's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, how much time do you give a guy before, you know, he defends his title? | ||
| The difference in boxing is so different. | ||
| Like, boxers go the long stretch, and boxers enter into negotiations and negotiate. | ||
| Like, Caleb Plant and Canelo Alvarez, they've been Dancing back and forth as to whether or not they're supposed to fight and the negotiations fall apart and they come back together again and now they're supposedly in negotiations again for November. | ||
| You know, boxing is so different. | ||
| Like, the boxers have more control over what happens because it's basically just boxing. | ||
| The UFC is... | ||
| A star in and of itself, like the organization is a star and to be the UFC heavyweight champion is a huge thing, but ultimately you're a champion in the UFC, which is huge. | ||
| It's not the same as like a boxer. | ||
| Like Terrence Crawford is a great example, right? | ||
| He's a world champion boxer and people want to see Terrence Crawford fight. | ||
| They don't give a fuck if he's fighting for Bob Arum or if he's fighting for Golden Boy or that doesn't mean jack shit. | ||
| Wait, the UFC, I mean, in some sense, also has a little bit of that. | ||
| In some sense, nobody cares if Ngannou is a champ or not or interim championship. | ||
| They just want to see the fight, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| If Ngannou wasn't the champ, if no one was the champ, if they stripped both of them and Ngannou fought Gan for five rounds, it would be... | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| There's still something nice, I guess, to winning the championship. | ||
| Fuck yeah, when they strap that belt around you. | ||
| It's giant. | ||
| The champ is the champ, but it's just weird. | ||
| The interim thing is weird. | ||
| I think interims should really only be when a guy can't defend because he's badly injured. | ||
| And Gano's not injured, so it's just weird. | ||
| Or maybe like three years off or something like that. | ||
| But that's the difference between, you know, like, there's no rules as to what they can and can't do. | ||
| They can kind of, like, make their own rules. | ||
| It's whatever the fans will put up with. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which is kind of the honest way to do it, I guess. | ||
| Because then the fans will complain. | ||
| Will they, though? | ||
| You keep giving them good fights every weekend? | ||
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| How much will they really complain? | ||
| And the fans kind of love complaining anyway. | ||
| And the fighter only has a, you know, a small window of opportunity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't know what the deal was. | ||
| I mean, I'm not privy to the negotiations. | ||
| But you're saying one of the best moving heavyweights. | ||
| No, no, the best. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| Cyril Ghosn is the best moving heavyweight I've ever seen. | ||
| I've never seen a heavyweight move like him. | ||
| It's just his fucking understanding of distance and his use of feints and every time Derek tried to swing at him, he was nowhere to be found. | ||
| He was whoop, just slid out and then he's right back in on him. | ||
| He wasn't running. | ||
| Like he would get back out and then go right back in his face. | ||
| That's like my favorite, probably my favorite part of mixed martial arts is people that move in interesting ways, move well in interesting ways. | ||
| I was thinking, you know who Lionel Messi is by any chance? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So the soccer player, he's my favorite. | ||
| Talking about things that divide the populace with the vaccines, it's probably Messi versus Cristiano Ronaldo, who's the greatest player of all time or currently playing. | ||
| That divides people too. | ||
| What is the division? | ||
| They're just both incredible. | ||
| But what is it like, who's better, LeBron or Michael Jordan? | ||
| Is it like that kind of thing? | ||
| People get very passionate about this. | ||
| They get extremely passionate. | ||
| Who do you think is better? | ||
| Messi by far. | ||
| Ah, look at you! | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| By far. | ||
| How so? | ||
| So it has to do with movement. | ||
| And it has to do with where you put priorities. | ||
| So the other people in the running for greatest ever, and I don't even think Ronaldo's in the top five, is Maradona, Pele. | ||
| Is this a shots fired moment right here? | ||
| That was, for sure. | ||
| Was that shots fired? | ||
| That was, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm out of the loop when it comes to soccer, but I feel like you just made some... | ||
| I think the Brazilian- Bold statements. | ||
| Yeah, I think the Brazilian Ronaldo is better than Cristiano. | ||
| So Cristiano is much better looking. | ||
| He's much harder working. | ||
| He's an incredible soccer player. | ||
| One of the greatest ever, just not in the top five for me. | ||
| Messi moves like nothing I have ever seen. | ||
| And this is, I think a lot of people agree with this. | ||
| This is moments of genius unlike anybody else. | ||
| This everybody agrees on. | ||
| And the question is, how much do you value moments of genius in terms of movement? | ||
| Just like how many things you're able to create, they're like, what the fuck did I just watch? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I value that above all else. | ||
| Now, one of the... | ||
| The reasons why until like a month ago, people still said Messi might not be the greatest ever is because he's never taken his national team, Argentina, to a major, like a World Cup win or the Copa America, like the major international win. | ||
| He's always, he's taken him to the final a bunch of times, but never won. | ||
| And so that has to, that's like LeBron questions. | ||
| How many times, if ever, did you take your team, especially when the team is not great, did you make them step up to win the championship? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And until, so he won the South American Championship, which is a huge championship for the first time with Argentina last month, which solidified him as the greatest. | ||
| Anyway, I'm making some enemies now. | ||
| But the main point is the movement. | ||
| I think I want to agree. | ||
| When you watch him, it's art. | ||
| And I was thinking in the same way, who is that? | ||
| Like if you didn't see the face or the uniform, if you just saw the silhouette, you can tell it's messy. | ||
| And I was thinking, who is that for MMA? Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Mighty Mouse in his prime is the greatest I've ever seen. | ||
| See, I was thinking Anderson Silva. | ||
| Nah, well Anderson Silva was fantastic in his prime, no doubt about it. | ||
| But Mighty Mouse, the only problem with Mighty Mouse is that he's in a weight class that's very small. | ||
| There's not a lot of guys that weigh 125 pounds, so there's not the same talent pool that Anderson Silva dealt with. | ||
| Anderson Silva dealt with much more danger in terms of one-punch strikers. | ||
| But, you know, the argument could be made that Anderson Silva, when he was at the top, is the greatest of all time. | ||
| And then the argument could be made that Mighty Mouse is the greatest of all time. | ||
| Mighty Mouse just destroyed people and destroyed people in a way like they looked overwhelmed and confused, like they couldn't touch him. | ||
| His movement and his ability to mix the wrestling and the striking and the submissions together flawlessly and seamlessly was incredible. | ||
| I feel like fighters have these bursts of time that may last three years, five years, seven years, whatever it is, when they're able to maintain the championship-level RPMs. | ||
| And you got to judge them inside that time. | ||
| And it's very subjective, obviously, whether it's Anderson or whether it's Jon Jones or whether it's Khabib Nurmagomedov is a very, very good candidate because, in my opinion, Khabib is probably the best candidate because Khabib, not only did he not lose a fight, He barely lost a round. | ||
| He lost maybe one round to Conor and it seemed like he was just taking the round off to kind of preserve his energy so he could finish Conor afterwards. | ||
| And he did. | ||
| And he wound up finishing him. | ||
| Khabib has never been in trouble in a fight. | ||
| Michael Johnson tagged him once. | ||
| Michael Johnson is a guy that doesn't get nearly enough respect. | ||
| Yeah, he's had some rough losses, but Michael Johnson knocked out Dustin Poirier with one Michael Johnson was a fucking dangerous, dangerous man, and still is. | ||
| And he tagged Khabib. | ||
| It probably had Khabib in the most trouble ever in a fight. | ||
| He had him wobbled. | ||
| But Khabib ultimately won that fight and destroyed him. | ||
| I mean, was pounding on him, was telling him, quit now, quit now, you know I deserve title shot, beating the shit out of him, and then put him in a Kimura and tapped him. | ||
| But it's arguable that Khabib's the greatest of all time. | ||
| It's arguable that Mighty Mouse is. | ||
| It's a debate. | ||
| It's a lively debate. | ||
| But in terms of the uniqueness of movement... | ||
| Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Because I want to combine that. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| When McGregor knocked out Aldo. | ||
| Jose Aldo, yeah. | ||
| He deserves a lot of... | ||
| That's the same as Messi. | ||
| Arguably at the peak of their performing career, Aldo be able to just make them look like they're a beginner for a brief moment. | ||
| That's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's worth something. | ||
| That's a moment of magic. | ||
| It was a moment of magic, for sure. | ||
| You know, and the question with Conor after that fight, there's so much that leads... | ||
| There's so much that has to... | ||
| It has to be in motion for you to be a Conor McGregor and for you to be a Conor McGregor that has the kind of balls to tear up Jose Aldo's picture and steal his belt and go on this press conference tour with him where you're going all over the world and you're talking crazy shit and climbing inside of Aldo's head to the point where the one moment where they close the octagon door and like, oh my god, it's real. | ||
| Conor was elevated by that moment and Aldo seemed like he was dwarfed by the moment. | ||
| The moment crushed him. | ||
| By the way, Conor last year, highest paid athlete, Messi second. | ||
| Yeah, but does it count because Conor is highest paid because he made a bunch of money off of whiskey? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's the highest paid athlete. | ||
| He is an athlete. | ||
| And then Messi is straight up for performance. | ||
| Just soccer. | ||
| They get paid a lot in soccer. | ||
| I can only imagine. | ||
| A lot of people get paid over $100 million per year. | ||
| $153 million last year, it says. | ||
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| It's really heartbreaking. | ||
| He just got transferred from the team he's been with for 20, 21 years in Barcelona. | ||
| He got transferred to Paris. | ||
| Why? | ||
| There's a lot of people criticizing the whole machine of modern soccer. | ||
| He wanted to stay. | ||
| I think he wanted to... | ||
| He said he would accept a half, like 50% cut. | ||
| You know, only get paid half. | ||
| He doesn't care. | ||
| He wanted to stay with the team. | ||
| But I think there's something about just drama and administration. | ||
| I wasn't following it, but they're saying it's modern soccer. | ||
| They don't give a shit about, like... | ||
| They don't give away shit about legacy and the players. | ||
| There's a machine. | ||
| That's a little bit probably why they couldn't afford them anymore. | ||
| The club's debt is at $1.6 billion. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| I don't even know how that works. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| That seems like someone's done a really bad job accounting. | ||
| But he is at the peak. | ||
| He's been winning player of the year. | ||
| Even after 20 years, he's still at the peak of his performance. | ||
| It's kind of like the Tom Brady from Patriots to Tampa Bay. | ||
| The funny thing, he wins the Super Bowl again. | ||
| I think it's the same kind of thing, but it's just heartbreaking because he, unlike a lot of players, he's been for the same team. | ||
| There's something to that loyalty that's valuable. | ||
| It's always nice in any sport to see an athlete stay with the same people. | ||
| McGregor's kind of like that, right? | ||
| Stay with the same people. | ||
| So's Khabib. | ||
| Yeah, Khabib. | ||
| Khabib is that through and through. | ||
| Did you see that thing with Ronaldo where they put a Coca-Cola in front of him and he pushed it aside and he picked up a bottle of water and said, Agua. | ||
| And like he only drinks water? | ||
| Because apparently he's like meticulous about his diet and what goes into his body. | ||
| And Coca-Cola's sales tanked. | ||
| Their stock market price tanked. | ||
| It cost them like, I'm sure they bounce back, but it cost their market share something like a billion dollars. | ||
| Just him doing that. | ||
| Four billion. | ||
| Four billion? | ||
| Four billion by saying water. | ||
| I like water. | ||
| I'm drinking water. | ||
| The reach of soccer in the world, like global influence, is huge. | ||
| Especially when you have these icons. | ||
| And he is, unlike Messi, I think Messi hides himself much more. | ||
| He has a private life. | ||
| He's really happy with kids. | ||
| Ronaldo's a baller, right? | ||
| No, a baller in the PG way. | ||
| He doesn't do the... | ||
| He's a wholesome baller. | ||
| Oh, wholesome baller. | ||
| He's not doing coke and... | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So that's Diego Maradona, who's Argentina. | ||
| I think there's coke, and that was back when coke wasn't cool. | ||
| I think there's a lot of drugs. | ||
| The personality is a... | ||
| Is he still alive? | ||
| He's still alive. | ||
| He still has opinions. | ||
| So... | ||
| Meaning he has a voice in Argentina and talks about Messi and so on. | ||
| Lionel Messi is Argentinian and Diego Mardona is Argentinian. | ||
| And just the way Messi moves has some of the elements that Mardona does too. | ||
| There's these moments of genius. | ||
| Mardona has that famous hand of God goal in the World Cup. | ||
| He passed away, by the way. | ||
| He did? | ||
| I thought I heard it. | ||
| Yeah, in November. | ||
| In November, okay. | ||
| Sorry to hear that. | ||
| Heart attack? | ||
| How old was he? | ||
| 60. Down out, down out. | ||
| Following brain surgery. | ||
| Oh, following brain surgery? | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| He lived his life fully. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he had the hand of God goal where the ref didn't notice it, but he knocked the ball into goal with his hand. | ||
| But he made it look like it's a header. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You gotta win by any means necessary, Joe. | ||
| And they don't review that? | ||
| Not in the 70s or whatever it was. | ||
| Yeah, I told you. | ||
| It was back when Coke wasn't cool. | ||
| It was in the 70s. | ||
| No, it wasn't in the 70s. | ||
| It might have been 90s. | ||
| Okay, sorry. | ||
| 70s? | ||
| Diego Armando Maradona. | ||
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60s, 60s. | |
| How could he be playing in the 70s? | ||
| I feel like I'm still 15. Yeah, that's true. | ||
| I'm still stuck in the... | ||
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86. Are you playing 86 with that? | |
| But also 90 and I think also after that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the greatest ever. | ||
| Hand of God. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Unforgettable England moments. | ||
| Yeah, celebrating it. | ||
| He also has, him and Messi both have these goals. | ||
| Why isn't it? | ||
| You couldn't even see it from that video. | ||
| This guy's complaining that he hit it with his hand, right? | ||
| Hand of God, goal, yeah. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| There's a kick. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| See? | ||
| So how would you judge that on that? | ||
| No, I think they zoom in and it's obvious it's a hand. | ||
| Can you zoom in? | ||
| Can I? Enhance. | ||
| Here's the enhance they did at the time. | ||
| Do they have enhance? | ||
| That was it. | ||
| Oh, let me see that again. | ||
| It's been absolutely proven that he uses hands? | ||
| But there's no review. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Let's watch. | ||
| There's the hand. | ||
| It might even be like forearm. | ||
| Anything below your elbow is kind of his hand. | ||
| He definitely touched his arm. | ||
| They counted that? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Hand of God. | ||
| He also has the famous, people really love that, him and Messi. | ||
| But he has a really famous one where he runs from the other side and dribbles past everybody else and scores the goal. | ||
| That's really difficult to do at the highest level of competition. | ||
| The amount of gambling on soccer must be insane, right? | ||
| Is it legal gambling? | ||
| Do they have a lot of legal gambling on it? | ||
| I mean, it's almost all legal now to an extent. | ||
| Without going deep back into Google search, I don't think it's been deeply illegal in Europe. | ||
| Well, they have legalized sports betting in New York now, right? | ||
| Not in... | ||
| I heard someone say that the other day, and I don't know if it's in New York yet. | ||
| New Jersey, yes. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| Pennsylvania, yes. | ||
| I think they're passing a law. | ||
| I think they're making... | ||
| I remember reading an article about it. | ||
| They're planning on making sports betting legal in New York. | ||
| When I type it in, it says the sports betting legal in New York. | ||
| The only way to legally place a sports wager in New York is to go to one of the four full-service commercial upstate casinos operated by an upstate Indian nation and place an in-person bet. | ||
| Is it coming to New York? | ||
| So they're seeking, like, the new thing that's happening is online betting because it's being done in an app. | ||
| That's what's happening everywhere. | ||
| So that's what's going to happen? | ||
| I think they're trying to get it passed. | ||
| I don't think it's in New York yet, yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But they have past weed, I read, and it's still not, you can't buy it yet. | ||
| But it's just decriminalized. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you can buy it in New Jersey. | ||
| So you can cross the bridge and turn the app on and make your bet and then go back home, which people do all the time. | ||
| Oh, that's what you can do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to be GPS located where... | ||
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Is poker legal now? | |
| Playing poker? | ||
| Online poker? | ||
| That's the same sort of thing. | ||
| Like, you could always play. | ||
| It's just a matter of like, could you play for money? | ||
| After it became illegal, they started playing for prizes and you could play for free. | ||
| Ari used to play poker professionally to supplement his comedy career. | ||
| He was making more money playing poker than he was doing stand-up. | ||
| I like those two degenerate communities. | ||
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He brings the best of both. | |
| Well, he's a good poker player. | ||
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He is? | |
| Yeah, Ari can play. | ||
| He's smart. | ||
| He knows how to play the game and he plays it prudently. | ||
| He doesn't take stupid bets. | ||
| He's smart. | ||
| Alright, so I was looking into now. | ||
| In the 2022 year, it's supposed to be allowed in New York. | ||
| So it's not yet, but the plan is in place. | ||
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Okay, that's what it is. | |
| So that's sports betting, right? | ||
| They're going to have legalized bookies in New York. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| You should be able to bet on whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| The idea that you're going to protect people from their own impulses to bet is so stupid. | ||
| It's like, we have Vegas. | ||
| That's exciting. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| I was surprised that... | ||
| Have you watched the Olympics at all? | ||
| No, I did not. | ||
| It's kind of interesting that it seemed not... | ||
| I still watch the wrestling and the Judo and some other stuff. | ||
| Did you see Gable with the last second victory for the gold medal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Incredible. | |
| Named after Dan Gable. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It was amazing! | ||
| You ever see photos of him training or video of him training with Brock Lesnar a few years ago? | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| Brock Lesnar when he was... | ||
| I think he was thinking about coming back. | ||
| He's still got, oh sorry, which I should mention, so he has two years of NCAA, so Gable has a choice now, because I think he's interested in W, like he's interested into that. | ||
| WWE? WWE. Yeah, he's also interested in the UFC. In the UFC, but then he can also go back to college and wait for the Olympics again, which is in only three years. | ||
| So he can go back to school, dominate NCAA, get a couple titles if he can. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Get paid! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| They can get paid now. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| As of last month, college athletes can get paid. | ||
| Right, but can he get paid like a WWE? He can get paid paid. | ||
| Paid, paid, paid? | ||
| Whoever wants to sign him can pay him. | ||
| He can pay any contract. | ||
| So a college can sign him? | ||
| It's not the college paying him, it's sponsors. | ||
| It's a name and likeness deal. | ||
| Oh, so all the stuff that used to get them in trouble in the past is now legal. | ||
| Some players have gotten million dollar deals already. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| High school kids. | ||
| Now, ooh, wow, how wild is that? | ||
| That changed the whole fucking game, huh? | ||
| But the crazy thing is the university is still making fucking billions and they're not making shit from that, you know? | ||
| Like, they're generating massive amounts of money for the universities. | ||
| And the universities is... | ||
| they're not distributing any of it to the kids. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| But that's my argument against the Olympics. | ||
| Oh, that they're not making enough money? | ||
| See, I think money is good, but it can get in the way of the purity of the sport. | ||
| Sure, then let's have no one make money then. | ||
| Including NBC. Go fuck yourself. | ||
| If you want to be pure, let's be pure all the way. | ||
| No advertisement, let's keep the whole thing pure, and make it so that NBC and whoever the fuck airs the Olympics, they're only doing it for the purity of the experience of competition. | ||
| We will not make any money off the proceeds of any of this. | ||
| And whatever money is generated at all, we'll donate to charity. | ||
| So first of all, I came on the Joe Rogan Experience to pitch communism to the people. | ||
| That's why I'm here. | ||
| Aren't a lot of the sports, though, no one would be watching now? | ||
| They're not very high-viewed sports, most of the sports in the Olympics. | ||
| Unless they're Olympics. | ||
| Unless they're on, in this case. | ||
| They got a shot put. | ||
| Who's lining up to see the fucking shot put? | ||
| Oh, did you throw the metal ball really far? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody gives a shit. | ||
| You just made some enemies. | ||
| This is probably... | ||
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Did you throw the hammer? | |
| Did you really? | ||
| Okay, but look at basketball. | ||
| Did you throw that orange ball in the little net? | ||
| Hey, stop. | ||
| People are trying to stop you from throwing it. | ||
| There's defense. | ||
| There's strategy involved. | ||
| It's team sport. | ||
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All right. | |
| Listen to this son of a bitch from Russia. | ||
| Come over and talk shit about basketball. | ||
| What about golf? | ||
| Did you hit? | ||
| Is that an Olympics? | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| Golf? | ||
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| Oh, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Why isn't a pool in the Olympics then? | ||
| I think I make it exciting. | ||
| It only became exciting because the last 2016 they had like a run and they're like, well this is good TV. So they put it on again. | ||
| Did you see the karate guy get kicked in the face and win the gold medal because he got knocked out? | ||
| The other guy hit him too hard? | ||
| I can't watch the karate or the... | ||
| It doesn't look like fighting. | ||
| It doesn't look like fighting. | ||
| It's scoring points. | ||
| Scoring points, this is a discussion that I've had with people before. | ||
| That style of karate, it's a very useful tool to know. | ||
| There's guys like Raymond Daniels who've used that really effectively in kickboxing. | ||
| There's guys like Michael Venom Page who uses it really effectively in MMA. There's an ability To leap in and catch you with things that most guys do not have. | ||
| When you've got a guy who's elite at that, but then learns the other things, that's a giant bridge to cross that a lot of folks can't... | ||
| They don't know what to do with a person like that. | ||
| But if you had to choose, would you take, like, Sadulayev, the Russian tank, The gold medalist in freestyle wrestling or the gold medalist in karate? | ||
| I've always said that wrestling is the cornerstone of mixed martial arts. | ||
| It's the foundation. | ||
| Because with the great wrestlers, the great wrestlers can dictate where the fight takes place. | ||
| Whether it's Khabib, whether it's Randy Couture. | ||
| Go down the list. | ||
| There's been a ton of great wrestlers. | ||
| Daniel Cormier, Jon Jones, a lot of great wrestlers have become elite mixed martial arts fighters. | ||
| And they have a massive advantage. | ||
| If they have a dominance in wrestling, they have ability to dictate where the fight takes place. | ||
| Where it takes place standing up or on the ground. | ||
| Chuck Liddell would use his wrestling the opposite way. | ||
| He was a very good wrestler, but he would use his wrestling to make you stand with him. | ||
| And that advantage, the advantage of being the better wrestler is... | ||
| I think it's the foundation. | ||
| I think it's the most important skill set. | ||
| But there's also something about their hips or something like that that allows them to learn how to hit hard quickly. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Some of them like... | ||
| You know, there's guys that just like... | ||
| Talking about Ben Askren? | ||
| Yeah, I didn't want to say his name. | ||
| So he's going to come down to Austin, we're going to hang out. | ||
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I was trying to be nice. | |
| I was trying to be nice. | ||
| Ben never figured out a way to use it in striking, but he was really good with wrestling. | ||
| But he has like a slow twitch... | ||
| Body, you know? | ||
| I mean, he can go for days with wrestling. | ||
| He was really creative in his transitions and his takedowns, the way he would chain takedown attempts. | ||
| But he just never developed the kind of pop that some wrestlers did. | ||
| Yeah, he had a different style, for sure. | ||
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For sure. | |
| By the way, I don't know if you saw, Kyle Dake ended up getting bronze. | ||
| He lost the match 11-0. | ||
| He dominated everybody else. | ||
| He lost the match somewhere along the way 11-0 to somebody from the Eastern Bloc. | ||
| And I've been too nervous to watch it, because I can't imagine him losing to anybody. | ||
| 11-0 is crazy. | ||
| Yeah, 11-0, like 13-0, something like that. | ||
| Do they have a tech fall in the Olympics? | ||
| Yeah, they do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, yeah, so he came back to win bronze. | ||
| David Taylor, who... | ||
| Imagine how good the guy is who beat him 11-0. | ||
| A lot of his style match-ups. | ||
| Yeah, or maybe. | ||
| This is a name for you to read. | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| Magomed Khabib Kadimagomedov. | ||
| Magomed Khabib Kadimagomedov. | ||
| That's like every great Dagestan fighter rolled into two names. | ||
| Put that name up there again. | ||
| I want to one day get that in my vocabulary. | ||
| Magomed Khabib Kadamagomedov. | ||
| Whoa, what a fucking name. | ||
| That's a long-ass name. | ||
| I feel like you just repeat that over and over and just meditate. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to. | ||
| Yeah, like... | ||
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But with that, that's the Russian version. | |
| The really good one is Kyle Snyder versus Satoly of the Russian tank. | ||
| So they were one-on-one. | ||
| They're basically probably two of the greatest wrestlers ever out of the heavies. | ||
| And they just went to war, and this time the Russian won. | ||
| So I think it's two and one. | ||
| And that's an interesting choice there. | ||
| They all just won all of the world championships between the two of them. | ||
| And Olympics, Kyle was in a different weight class, a higher weight class in the previous Olympics. | ||
| So they both won gold in the previous one. | ||
| It's so interesting, but they're both choosing to stay in wrestling. | ||
| And it's like you could tell both of them that they went to MMA, they would just destroy. | ||
| Well, Jordan Burrows is another example, right? | ||
| He chose to stay in wrestling, and he's actually made a very good living in wrestling. | ||
| You know, and one of the things is through Flow Grappling and through a lot of these other kind of streaming organizations, guys can make money. | ||
| Competing in wrestling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is very nice. | ||
| Because of Donohar, because of Flo Grappling coming here, Austin might become the capital of martial arts in the United States. | ||
| That's why I'm excited. | ||
| That's what I'm rooting for. | ||
| There's so many things happening here. | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| Duncan's moving here. | ||
| Duncan's moving here. | ||
| That's when it's going to be the final. | ||
| Well, I told you offline, Duncan and Joey Diaz. | ||
| Joey Diaz is the ultimate. | ||
| That's the ultimate. | ||
| That's the final jewel in Thanos' golden globe. | ||
| From Jersey to Austin. | ||
| And then tech, too. | ||
| I mean, that's the reason I really came here. | ||
| I mean, you're part of people that are creating an incredible place in Austin, but also the fact that Elon really believes that this will be the Silicon Valley. | ||
| All the sort of pursuit of excellence without the... | ||
| What should I say? | ||
| The woke and all of that kind of nonsense. | ||
| For now. | ||
| For now. | ||
| The problem with that stuff is it's like COVID. It fucking spreads. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| And it's a way for people that don't really have good positions to establish... | ||
| Some control and they can establish influence and they can use it to force their will on folks. | ||
| There's too many guns here. | ||
| I think it's going to scare people. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| It's too hot. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| I know a lot of the cool people I know in tech are moving here and a lot of the not so cool people I know are staying in Silicon Valley. | ||
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Good. | |
| Stay there. | ||
| Stay there and hang on as it sinks into the ocean. | ||
| And part of it is also, like we said, the weirdos. | ||
| The not cool people don't want to follow Elon Musk. | ||
| So they don't get it. | ||
| The wild people, the crazies, the dreamers, the people that really want to... | ||
| Pursue excellence and in the full diversity of what that means, real diversity, the full spectrum of diversity, and chase big ideas, big dreams, change the world. | ||
| Those are the people that are moving here, so it's super exciting. | ||
| Well, the thing about Austin as opposed to New York City or Los Angeles is that an individual like Elon Musk can move there and then moving there after he does will be considered like following him. | ||
| Because it's not a big place. | ||
| It'll be considered copying, or it's a beta move. | ||
| Whereas if someone moves to New York City, and then you move to New York City, it's like, God, there's billions of fucking people there. | ||
| Or millions of people there, rather. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Or in Los Angeles, same thing. | ||
| Not one person defines a city, but if you're in tech, and when Elon decides to make a move from California to Austin, It's a big deal. | ||
| And that big deal sort of defines the area. | ||
| And if you move afterwards, it's kind of like you're copying. | ||
| And people that have... | ||
| Maybe they have a little bit of jealousy towards a guy like Elon, or maybe they have some weird animosity towards him, or they don't like... | ||
| I mean, he's an easy guy. | ||
| Like, if you were in tech, he's an easy guy to be jealous of. | ||
| He's running four different businesses simultaneously. | ||
| He's... | ||
| Has radical influence on innovation. | ||
| Radical. | ||
| In terms of electric cars, in terms of the Boring Company, in terms of SpaceX, the solar division. | ||
| He's got a lot. | ||
| And that's not even count Neuralink. | ||
| He's got a lot of wild shit that he's doing simultaneously. | ||
| So if you're a person who has a big ego and you fancy yourself as like a tech innovator of the highest order and a real wonder kind, and then you see Elon and he moved to Austin, you're like, well, fuck that, I'm staying here. | ||
| Stay there with the needles in the human shape. | ||
| Yeah, those people are there. | ||
| I try to resist it. | ||
| I always will. | ||
| I'm a huge fan of yours. | ||
| I'm a huge fan of Elon. | ||
| I'm a huge fan of a lot of people. | ||
| And actually, you're one of the people that taught me that. | ||
| It's good to be a fan of people. | ||
| Yeah, I love people. | ||
| And I'm not going to, just because the internet, like, it's the jealousy thing. | ||
| People criticize you for being a fan, and there's a pressure to sort of be, like, not celebrate others, because that seems like a beta thing or something. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| But to me, celebrating others is awesome. | ||
| Yeah, if I was a tech person, I swear to God I'd be on Elon's nuts. | ||
| I'd be like, he's a shit. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Look at him go. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Because not many other people are doing what he's doing. | ||
| I celebrate everyone that's doing wild stuff that are dreamers. | ||
| Actually, I mean, he's doing his best. | ||
| Sander Pachai, I'm a big fan of, who's leading Google. | ||
| But Google is now a giant monster that's moving slowly. | ||
| It's very difficult to do, to innovate. | ||
| Microsoft is actually surprisingly doing a lot of incredible innovative stuff. | ||
| They've partnered with OpenMan. | ||
| Dude, I got to pee so bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I drank way too much water. | ||
| Let's pause this for a moment. | ||
| You got a list there of a bunch of shit. | ||
| I'm sure you need things to bring up. | ||
| How long did we go? | ||
| It's like 3.40. | ||
| We're going to pause for a moment, and we'll be right back. | ||
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Cool. | |
| We're back. | ||
| We're back? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Just for the record, the great Joe Rogan had to go take a piss. | ||
| Is that amazing? | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| I mean, this is what I enjoy about wrestling. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's breaking your opponent. | ||
| Speaking of breaking your opponent, have a glass of those. | ||
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I don't know Is that tequila? | |
| No, it's whiskey. | ||
| Oh, whiskey. | ||
| What is this called? | ||
| How do you say this again? | ||
| The frog? | ||
| How do you say this? | ||
| It's the real shit. | ||
| I still have my... | ||
| Salute, my friend. | ||
|
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Salute. | |
| Mmm. | ||
| I love this stuff. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's that peaty Irish or scotch whiskey. | ||
|
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Lafroig. | |
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Lafroig. | ||
| Tequila. | ||
| I gotta get into that, actually. | ||
| I have a gluttonous personality. | ||
| And whenever I get out of the sauna, when I do sauna, if I do sauna before I come here, I always drink way too much fucking water. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I overhydrate. | ||
| And then I cannot control my piss. | ||
| I do my best to get it out before the podcast. | ||
| But oftentimes, I'm straining. | ||
| This is what they usually do after they're broken. | ||
| Oh, I'm broke. | ||
| I'm broke. | ||
| Listen, I'll tell you openly. | ||
| I could have held it if I knew we were in competition. | ||
| But my conversation would be better if I didn't have to pee so bad. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| I see. | ||
| You know, one of the things I did realize recently, I got a barrel sauna for outside. | ||
| It's a small sauna. | ||
| Those are better. | ||
| They're better. | ||
| Is there windows to the outside? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a window to the outside, which is nice. | ||
| But them little barrel saunas, there's a reason why they make it that. | ||
| Like, that fucking contains the heat. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| And when you throw the water on the rocks, the fucking steam and the heat in there, it's much more uncomfortable. | ||
| It's like physically, like tangibly hotter in this little barrel sauna, which makes sense because my other sauna is big and it takes a long time to heat up. | ||
| This motherfucker heats up like full blast, gets to 185 degrees in 20 minutes. | ||
| So you did that before the podcast? | ||
| Yeah, I did it after workouts. | ||
| Say, like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what's an important conversation for you. | ||
| What's the perfect thing before a podcast that you go through? | ||
| Like, if you were interviewing, I mean, Kanye was probably the most important interview of all time. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| I don't know who somebody you'd be really nervous for. | ||
| If I'm going to do like... | ||
| What's the perfect... | ||
| Quentin Tarantino was a big one for me. | ||
| That was a great conversation, by the way. | ||
| Love that guy. | ||
| He's, in my opinion, he's the best filmmaker of all time. | ||
| His movies... | ||
| And this is, again, this is very subjective. | ||
| But in terms of me, the way I get excited... | ||
| Like, there's Martin Scorsese movies. | ||
| I think Martin Scorsese's fucking amazing. | ||
| But there's Martin Scorsese movies I haven't seen. | ||
| I've never missed a Quentin Tarantino movie. | ||
| When his movies come out, it's like there's a feeling that you get when you're about to watch a Tarantino movie. | ||
| You know some fucked up shit is going to happen. | ||
| That's my kind of movie. | ||
| That's what I like. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Actually, somebody who was talking about wrestling, somebody texted me, because I mentioned going on the show, and they said, make sure you push back and talk shit to Joe. | ||
| I really enjoy that. | ||
| And as the example, he mentioned a time where I mentioned that John Wick sucks to you. | ||
| I still stand by that. | ||
| I haven't watched the third one yet. | ||
| I watched the second one. | ||
| And I said Scent of a Woman is better than John Wick. | ||
| Well, I haven't seen Scent of a Woman since it came out. | ||
| That's a good question, but there's no way that could be true. | ||
| I think there was a compromise on the topic of Big Lebowski. | ||
| That was the one that was a test. | ||
| You said you used that as a test. | ||
| I used to use that. | ||
| What's the new one? | ||
| What's the new one that I used? | ||
| Is there a good test? | ||
| I need a new one, but that was one that I used for a while. | ||
| If someone didn't like the Big Lebowski, I'm like, I can't fuck with you. | ||
| You and I are not going to vibe. | ||
| Yeah, but no, I got to put Scorsese up there over Tarantino for me. | ||
| Well, he's amazing. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| It's very subjective. | ||
| But the thing is, I love Pulp Fiction. | ||
| Pulp Fiction has a special place in my mind because when I moved to California was right when Pulp Fiction came out. | ||
| And I remember seeing that. | ||
| I couldn't believe I'm living in Hollywood. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| How am I on TV? Like, what am I doing here? | ||
| I was in my 20s. | ||
| I was like, you know, like, doe-eyed. | ||
| I was so confused. | ||
| And then I watched that movie and I remember thinking, that is the wildest fucking movie I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| Because you didn't know what was happening. | ||
| The timelines were all screwed up. | ||
| It was a crazy, crazy movie. | ||
| My biggest respect for him went up when I realized he wrote, I hope I don't get this wrong, but I think he wrote True Romance. | ||
| Yes, he did write True Romance. | ||
| That's probably one of my favorite films. | ||
| Great fucking movie. | ||
| He's good, and he doesn't have any misses, which is so interesting. | ||
| And it was also in your conversation, so I fast-forwarded the whole Bruce Lee thing, of course. | ||
| Yeah, that's a rough one. | ||
| That's a rough one. | ||
| But it was really interesting, the exchange between the two of you on the topic of walking away, doing one more movie and then walking away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've never heard anyone talk this way. | ||
| And just even to think this way, that you would walk away at the peak of your greatness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you don't... | ||
| I mean, you talk about that with fighting, but fighting is a very different thing. | ||
| There's physical consequences, all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many directors walk away? | ||
| Like, one of the saddest things to me, one of my favorite actors ever, is De Niro. | ||
| And whenever he went to those, like, Meet the Fockers and all those kinds of movies, That was a little bit sad to me. | ||
| I know people enjoy them. | ||
| That's sad, kind of, maybe, but maybe okay, because a lot of people enjoy those movies. | ||
| They're funny. | ||
| Ben Stiller's very funny. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The sad one is the... | ||
| What was the wizard movie that he was in? | ||
| He was in, like, this terrible fucking movie where he was, like, a king or a wizard or something like that. | ||
| It was so clear that he was... | ||
| It was like a fantasy movie, but it was so obvious that he was doing it for money. | ||
| It was like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Isn't money? | ||
| Is it money or is it just kind of... | ||
| The rumor has always been that his wife, who is now divorced, or is in the process of divorcing, spends too much money. | ||
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Well... | |
| That sometimes can happen, bro. | ||
| Be careful. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| What is this movie? | ||
| The most bizarre Robert De Niro movie you can watch on Netflix. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| Stardust. | ||
| Stardust? | ||
| Look at it down there. | ||
| Who is that? | ||
| Is that Michelle Pfeiffer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Michelle Pfeiffer and Robert De Niro in a nonsensical movie. | ||
| Look at that guy with the pipe! | ||
| He's a leprechaun! | ||
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I always wonder about that. | |
| I almost don't, like from a podcasting perspective, I don't think you've interviewed a lot of actors here. | ||
| I have a few. | ||
| Scott Eastwood was on recently. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| You haven't interviewed Clint Eastwood. | ||
| No. | ||
| I certainly would. | ||
| But yeah, he's actually interesting outside of the director. | ||
| But I don't pursue anybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Except I've been pursuing Lil Nas X. I try to get him on. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| I fucking love that dude. | ||
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Yeah, he's got a good sense of humor. | |
| I love what he did. | ||
| I love that he had this big pop song. | ||
| You know, there was a huge hit. | ||
| And then he went full gay. | ||
| Like, giving Satan a lap dance and people freaking out. | ||
| And then this new one where he's in the shower and everyone's naked and they're all dancing naked in the shower. | ||
| I'm a little out of touch on this. | ||
| So he came out as gay a while back, right? | ||
| He came out like a fucking cannon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With the devil? | ||
| But the music is great, too. | ||
| The thing is, it's not just that he's coming out of the closet, I celebrate the fact that he's able to be his authentic self, but it's also the music is fun. | ||
| It's good music, man. | ||
| Did he make out with somebody in that video? | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| He made out with the devil, I think. | ||
| Well, he licked a demon's nipples. | ||
| That was the one that freaked everybody out. | ||
| And then the new one. | ||
| The new one, he's walking out of prison. | ||
| He's got these dudes holding his pocket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a demon. | ||
| Is that a demon or the devil? | ||
| I forget. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| I need to watch it again. | ||
| But it's a great video. | ||
| But boy, did it freak people out, man. | ||
| That's what I liked about it. | ||
| He probably gets a lot of hate and a lot of support. | ||
| Both. | ||
| I love it when artists do that. | ||
| Just stick to it. | ||
| He is himself now. | ||
| He gets a lot of hate from some folks in the gay community that don't like this over-sexualized caricature of gay men. | ||
| But this is like, it comes with success. | ||
| You're going to get people in all sorts of weird groups that are upset at you for all sorts of Weird things. | ||
| He's a superstar. | ||
| I don't want to speak out of turn too much, but as far as I think, isn't there a bit of a problem with homophobia in the rap slash African American community that he's also fighting against? | ||
| A little bit, but he does like duets with guys like Nas, OGs, like Nas and Lil Nas X did a duet. | ||
| Do you say duet and rap? | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| They call it like a feature. | ||
| A feature. | ||
| I would call it a duet. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| New terms. | ||
| Yeah, I remember somebody I like quite a bit, DMX, passed away. | ||
| He's got a little homophobia and other kinds of problems in his lyrics. | ||
| Some of the older lyrics? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that was always a big part of rap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or a normalized part of rap. | ||
| But, you know, as times change, people look at things differently. | ||
| People change. | ||
| And care less about certain things. | ||
| You gotta, like, allow that. | ||
| Embrace that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta allow that. | ||
| But to answer your question, as far as, like, actors, there's a lot of actors I'd be interested in talking to. | ||
| One of the greatest, Brian Callen. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wasn't he in the Joker? | ||
| Joey Diaz is in the new Sopranos movie. | ||
| That's right, yeah. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| But I always wonder whether you'd be disappointed if you actually sit down with some of the great actors and talk to them for two hours, three hours, like if they were in the Joe Rogan experience. | ||
| Depends on who they are. | ||
| Like Daniel Day-Lewis. | ||
| Daniel Day-Lewis, yeah. | ||
| I wonder. | ||
| I don't think I'd be disappointed with him at all. | ||
| So, I actually don't think you will either, but there's not many interviews of him. | ||
| I listened to, like, you can see there's a thinking person there, but he might be very different than all the roles he played. | ||
| I think with a guy like him, you would probably just want to have a conversation. | ||
| Like, I probably wouldn't even want to talk too much about his acting. | ||
| Like the process that you go through? | ||
| Yeah, I'd like to talk to him about shoemaking, you know, because he's a cobbler. | ||
| He decided to take time to be a cobbler. | ||
| I don't need to talk to him about, like, you know, There Will Be Blood or whatever fucking movie, The Boxer or whatever movie he's done. | ||
| I'd just like to talk to him as a person. | ||
| The first time I had Sturgill Simpson on, he didn't play any music. | ||
| We just talked. | ||
| We talked about stuff. | ||
| I think I'm interested in people. | ||
| I'm interested in the way people think about things and people who are great at whatever, whatever they're great at. | ||
| Whether it's great athletes or great martial artists or great You know, tech innovators. | ||
| I'm just interested in the way exceptional people think. | ||
| I don't need to talk to them about their specific discipline. | ||
| I can just talk to them about anything. | ||
| In fact, if someone like you is into AI but is like an amateur chess player, I'd like to talk to you about chess. | ||
| I'd like to talk about what you want to talk about, really. | ||
| This is so interesting. | ||
| I've been studying chess more and more recently, by the way. | ||
| Partially, I've been thinking about this because I have to interview probably... | ||
| Kasparov? | ||
| Well, Kasparov I interview again as well. | ||
| Did you do that? | ||
| Yeah, I've talked to him before. | ||
| But he has so many other interesting aspects to him that you can just talk to forever, like have a more casual conversation. | ||
| But Magnus Carlsen, who's the world champ... | ||
| You're going to interview him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When is that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a COVID situation. | ||
| It's a negotiation of how he's in London or in that area. | ||
| Are you going to have to fly there? | ||
| It's either that or he flies here. | ||
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And either way, it's COVID. Some sort of quarantine? | |
| It's very difficult for them to fly. | ||
| It's easier for us to fly, us meaning US citizens, to fly to the UK. Is he going to require some sort of a test? | ||
| Is it him or is it the state? | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| So there's some of that. | ||
| Canada has the same problem. | ||
| I think August 9th, they've opened up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Jordan Peterson went to have a conversation, but he's still too... | ||
| Well, whatever. | ||
| There's more private stuff, but he wants to stay private for now. | ||
| Recovering from his health and all those kinds of things. | ||
| So, yeah, that... | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| He's still recovering from that benzodiazepine thing. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And it can go back to square one any day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's the terrifying thing of it. | ||
| It's like, it's terrifying. | ||
| That's the one, along with alcohol. | ||
| The two things that if you quit cold turkey, it'll fucking kill you. | ||
| How many people are on those? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's Google that, because we freaked out over the opioids. | ||
| Let's Google how many people... | ||
| Let's take a guess. | ||
| But the prescriptions don't necessarily reflect the number of humans, right? | ||
| Because there's 365 days a year. | ||
| What do you get, 30 days in a prescription? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| There's 12. So for one person, it's like a factor of 12. I'm guessing. | ||
| I don't know what they prescribe you. | ||
| They give you longer prescriptions. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So let's take a guess. | ||
| How many prescriptions? | ||
| If we saw how many prescriptions there were for opioids? | ||
| Any number would be very painful to me. | ||
| But, yeah, it's, I would say, in the hundreds of thousands. | ||
| I would say it's in the hundreds of millions. | ||
| I bet it's a hundred million. | ||
| I bet if there's 150 million opioid prescriptions... | ||
| I think there'd be more opioids. | ||
| There's a lot of people on Xanax, bro. | ||
| I know a lot of people on that shit. | ||
| I know a lot of people on that shit. | ||
| I knew a lady on that who would frown upon people smoking pot, and she had to take Xanax every day. | ||
| And she was not into drugs. | ||
| It was really funny. | ||
| Yeah, I take it back. | ||
| I almost don't want to allow myself to think that's in the millions. | ||
| I think it's in the millions. | ||
| Everybody you're talking to would then be on Xanax. | ||
| Well, I think a lot of people are on it. | ||
| I know, I have friends that are on it. | ||
| And they need it. | ||
| They need it to control anxiety. | ||
| And I have friends in show business that are on it that need it to control anxiety. | ||
| Well, it helps then. | ||
| See, that's the question, is like, what? | ||
| What's anxiety, right? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| And what else are you doing to mitigate it? | ||
| I love anxiety, right? | ||
| It brings out the best of me. | ||
| You clearly have paranoia and anxiety. | ||
| You're using that for your advantage. | ||
| I enhance it. | ||
| That's why I like pot. | ||
| People get freaked out when I say that. | ||
| Like, I like the paranoia. | ||
| I don't like it when it's happening. | ||
| But just like I don't like the sauna. | ||
| When I'm at 25 minutes at 195 degrees, I don't like it. | ||
| I like what it does for my body. | ||
| But I like the paranoia of pot because it makes me reflect in a genuine way. | ||
| By the way, thank you to the great Jamie for sending me into outer space with the gravity. | ||
| I think a single inhalation of the gravity bomb with weed. | ||
| Yeah, I got a gravity bong, and I didn't force him to take it, but I might have challenged him. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| Bongs are ridiculous. | ||
| You know what's ridiculous? | ||
| Those dabbers, those fucking crazy assholes. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Oh, exactly. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It's like a wax, like this THC wax. | ||
| They go too far. | ||
| They go too far. | ||
| Are you smoking it? | ||
| Yeah, you smoke it, and you smoke it in these weird contraptions. | ||
| These fucking freaks, they go too far. | ||
| They won't stop. | ||
| Let's get to that in a moment. | ||
| That's what I made him smoke, just so you know. | ||
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That was cool. | |
| From an engineering perspective. | ||
| That was beautiful. | ||
| That is nice. | ||
| That's how I sold him on it. | ||
| So it flips upside down? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| $600. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's heavy. | ||
| Let's get a number. | ||
| Xanax. | ||
| How many Xanax prescriptions? | ||
| Let's say benzodiazepines or Xanax. | ||
| I guess there's different benzos. | ||
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Shit. | |
| There's a couple it's given me when I look up benzodiazepines. | ||
| That's why I was trying to figure out what the main thing is. | ||
| This thing said it was listed as number 37 in 2018 as the most common. | ||
| There's a list which is around 20 million prescriptions. | ||
| This is on the Wikipedia, though, so I was looking through the list to see if I could find something else that was... | ||
| If there's a bigger category or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you say 20 million? | ||
| Is that what you said? | ||
| Yeah, but I found something else competing with that number one. | ||
| It pops up here on top of Google how many are prescribed. | ||
| You add these together and you're going to get close to 100 million, but that's 2017. Oh, so there's a bunch of different kinds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know the difference between them. | ||
| So... | ||
| And still, at least from the Jordan Peterson experience, it seems like there's not good, well-understood signs of how to get off them properly. | ||
| What about Ibogaine? | ||
| Is there any data on using Ibogaine to get off of benzodiazepine? | ||
| Because it's phenomenal, apparently. | ||
| I haven't experienced Ibogaine, but the people that I know that have used it said it's phenomenal for getting off of opioids. | ||
| Is that legal to do research on? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not in America. | ||
| I think that's when you have the Rick Doblin folk and Matthew Johnson. | ||
| They probably know this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, Ibogaine is legal in Mexico, and I know people go to Mexico to treat opioid addiction with Ibogaine. | ||
| I don't know about Ibogaine and benzodiazepine. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder if Jordan tried that. | ||
| That'd be interesting. | ||
| It would be interesting. | ||
| I think he's talked about psychedelics, but never in the context of trying them to cure his current situation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know he's talked about psilocybin. | ||
| He's had... | ||
| Not a lot of scientific thing, but just there's someone offering this and even says here that you have to keep taking the benzo through your Ibogaine treatment. | ||
| So, I mean, that sounds dangerous. | ||
| What? | ||
| People who are on benzo, people who are benzo dependent must continue their baseline injection through the Ibogaine treatment. | ||
| Benzo withdrawal increases the risk of seizure. | ||
| So we must keep it in your system at sufficient levels. | ||
| Tapering away from benzodiazepine may begin within 72 hours after a flood dose. | ||
| I like how they call it, flood dose. | ||
| Benzos during flood dose is said to hamper the visionary aspects of ibogaine and to soften the trip. | ||
| Well, I don't think I'm saying anything private. | ||
| So Jim Keller is, I think, the brother of Jordan's wife. | ||
| He's a legendary engineer. | ||
| People should check him out. | ||
| But he said from all of us looking into it, let's put Jordan aside, that the most effective way to get off of benzos is unfortunately the... | ||
| Not going cold turkey. | ||
| It's like decreasing the dose gradually over a long period of time. | ||
| What's a long period of time? | ||
| I think it's like months or years. | ||
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So it's like... | |
| Years? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is the only thing that... | ||
| So the temptation... | ||
| Most drugs, I think, what people say is to go cold turkey, right? | ||
| And then you just go through the... | ||
| The whole process of withdrawal, but... | ||
| Jordan had no idea of this when he got on it, right? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think anybody had any idea. | ||
| When I heard about people taking Xanax, I thought it was just like taking anything else. | ||
| You take it and then you stop taking it. | ||
| I didn't think it was something that literally becomes impossible to get rid of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he's an interesting person to have gone through that because I hope he gets out of it and he'll be able to introspect. | ||
| But he's not totally out of it yet, huh? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't want to say anything, but it's a struggle. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| He's an important human being, so I hope he's with us. | ||
| He's one of the most misrepresented people I've ever seen. | ||
| When I see people represent him in a way that is completely inaccurate and caricature of who he really is, I've been stunned at people's representations of who he is. | ||
| Stunned. | ||
| Like how willfully dishonest it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That plus the kind of not acknowledging that he's helped probably like millions of people. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And he's an interesting guy. | ||
| He's a really interesting person. | ||
| He's a very nice person too. | ||
| Very nice person. | ||
| But, you know, he got caught up in that whole woke thing. | ||
| And the kickback against... | ||
| If you push back against the woke orthodoxy, the kickback is tremendous. | ||
| But not many people are willing to stand, like, walk through the fire of that. | ||
| It's the same thing with vaccines, the same with all these kind of things where there's the mainline story and to be a legitimate sort of... | ||
| So he's a well-published psychologist, like, with a career to be able to be willing to stand in that fire. | ||
| Especially when he was less known that takes a lot like most people are not willing to not brave enough to do that yeah major props to him no I'm a big fan of him as a human being you know not just as a public person a public intellectual a public person espousing ideas that are controversial but just him as a person like my time spent with him with no cameras on I like him a lot he's a really nice guy Yeah. | ||
| Extremely well-read. | ||
| Looks good in a suit. | ||
| Carnivore diet. | ||
| He's way too strict on the carnivore thing. | ||
| That's another thing that got weird with people. | ||
| They got upset that he was doing well eating meat. | ||
| Just meat. | ||
| People got really mad at that. | ||
| It was just one more layer of oppression that they bestowed upon him. | ||
| People want to say, you know, they'll see me and see, like, I talk kind of slow and look like I may be at least slightly mentally challenged. | ||
| Who says that? | ||
| I mean, whatever. | ||
| It's obvious when you watch me talk. | ||
| But the point is they'll be like, it's the carnivore diet or something. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's just the way I am. | ||
| The carnivore diet has nothing to do with it. | ||
| I feel good on carnivore. | ||
| I still, one of the questions I have, because I'm scaling up training, like, I want to, in September, scale up the training like hard with Craig Jones, with Donahard Gordon, like five, six times a week, and if you're doing a little experiment, and then compete a lot in like October. | ||
| Just compete, not stop. | ||
| You should compete for who's number one. | ||
| Find someone who's like an appropriate challenge. | ||
| Can you do me a favor? | ||
| One match I have in my life, can you commentate it? | ||
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Sure! | |
| I would love to do that. | ||
| That'd be amazing. | ||
| I would love to do that. | ||
| But my question is, will Carnivore hold up to that? | ||
| So will I have to... | ||
| Supplement with glucose? | ||
| Yeah, I feel so good on Carnivore, so focused, so clarity of mind. | ||
| My cardio is not great because the cardio hasn't quite been there. | ||
| But it's not... | ||
| When my cardio has been amazing, it's been carnivore or keto. | ||
| Yeah, I think when I do only carnivore, my intense workouts struggle a little bit. | ||
| I've noticed that. | ||
| But you're talking, that's treadmill or kettlebells? | ||
| Rounds in the bag. | ||
| Rounds in the bag. | ||
| Hard cardio with explosiveness. | ||
| I feel like that's different than jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's a little different. | ||
| It's a little different. | ||
| That pop, maybe, because the way I want to do jiu-jitsu is not like the skinny friend, I keep forgetting his name, the one with the pizza. | ||
| Mikey Musumechi? | ||
| Yeah, Mikey Musumechi. | ||
| So he is an artist of a different kind. | ||
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I love the pizza. | |
| We're a skinny friend with a pizza. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| People should check out. | ||
| He's like, he makes his own pizza. | ||
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It's awesome. | |
| Not only does he do that, but he fasts for 24 hours, and then he eats two pizzas every night. | ||
| Like some, what is it, like 3,000, 4,000 calories, something like that? | ||
| Seven, he says. | ||
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7,000 calories. | |
| He says 7,000 calories. | ||
| He makes his own pizza. | ||
| And it's like, it's really interesting. | ||
| He's a fascinating character. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Because that guy, he's another seven-day-a-week guy. | ||
| Another seven-day-a-week training. | ||
| There's like maybe something to be said for that. | ||
| But there's also something to be said for pure obsession, like pure focus where your whole life is about this one thing that you're doing, you know? | ||
| Although, there's a balance. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to psychoanalyze. | ||
| No, I don't have any insider information about Donahar. | ||
| But they were in New York and then Puerto Rico. | ||
| When you have that singular obsession when you're in New York, there's still a release valve in the city. | ||
| When you're all just alone together, there's a few camps in Jiu Jitsu and martial arts that have been like that where you're just in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| You're together. | ||
| That can be too much. | ||
| So maybe there has to be a difference between stepping on the mat and the time off the mat. | ||
| When you're on the mat, there's that grind, there's that ritual of every single day or twice a day, whatever it is. | ||
| But when you step off, it's a little bit of an escape to an outside world. | ||
| There's something to that. | ||
| I'm a huge believer of training. | ||
| I'm with Dona on this. | ||
| Training every day, if not twice a day. | ||
| You have to listen to your body and you still step on the mat, but then maybe you're doing drilling as opposed to hard training. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hard drilling versus hard training. | ||
| Yeah, if you're listening to your body, if you're doing it correctly. | ||
| If you don't, the thing about Jiu-Jitsu is your body will let you know if you don't, and you'll fall apart. | ||
| One of the things that's heartbreaking about communicating with Hickson, because of course Hickson, if you don't know, you know, Hickson was on my podcast a week ago. | ||
| And Hickson Gracie is widely considered the greatest Gracie of all time, one of the greatest jiu-jitsu practitioners who has ever lived, if not the greatest, and most certainly the champion of the most important family in the history of martial arts. | ||
| That's Hickson. | ||
| And such a fascinating person, but... | ||
| His body's fucked. | ||
| His back is fucked. | ||
| He's suffering from disc degeneration, the spaces in between his back. | ||
| All the gelatinous discs are deteriorated to almost nothing. | ||
| So he's basically bone on bone for all of his back. | ||
| So he's in real pain. | ||
| It's, you know, I have some disc degeneration. | ||
| I have quite a bit of it, actually. | ||
| But I have it to a point where I'm still functional, and I work very hard to maintain it. | ||
| I've had a lot of treatments, Regenikine and stem cells, and I have a lot of mitigation techniques I use for spinal decompression. | ||
| Back strengthening, but it's made me a little bit shorter, like my body's shrinking because the discs are smaller and smaller. | ||
| And I know that if I train hard with jiu-jitsu too much, it'll eventually get to where it's bone on bone and then I'm fucked. | ||
| I'm not fucked right now. | ||
| Like right now, I got good motion. | ||
| I can do most of the things I want to do. | ||
| I can train pretty hard, but I'm also 54. And there's a reality of the body. | ||
| It's like there's only so much you can do. | ||
| When I see Hickson, I see the future of most jiu-jitsu practitioners, you know? | ||
| What do you, psychologically, how do you deal with that 54? | ||
| Like, thinking about your future in Jiu Jitsu, given how much you love Jiu Jitsu, how much you love getting on the mat and training. | ||
| Do you see yourself, like when you're 70, when you're 80, do you see yourself still getting on the mat, maybe playing around with some stuff? | ||
| Maybe just for fun. | ||
| You know, Elio Gracie trained into his 90s. | ||
| He was training. | ||
| But very light and, you know, just fun playing. | ||
| Not like the hard sparring that you do when you're in your 20s and 30s where you just fucking... | ||
| You know, it's all like... | ||
| But that's how you get hurt. | ||
| Jean-Jacques Machado is one of the things that I brought up in my conversation with Hickson. | ||
| It's really amazing that Jean-Jacques, who is one of the greatest jiu-jitsu practitioners of all time, still rolls to this day because he's so smart. | ||
| And Jean-Jacques is probably close to 50, if not 50. But he's very fit, very healthy, very flexible and loose. | ||
| But he doesn't explode. | ||
| Everything's controlled and perfect technique. | ||
| His precision and his technique are so excellent that there's no need to ever rush something or muscle something. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| When you're in competition a lot, and you're in competition to tap younger guys and to dominate real explosive individuals, you run the risk of these injuries. | ||
| And the big injuries are the spinal injuries, because all the other injuries you can fix. | ||
| If you've got a joint injury, those can be fixed. | ||
| Meniscus is bad, but the real bad shit is discs. | ||
| That's the real bad one. | ||
| And everybody that I know that develops real spinal problems, tingling of the nerves, that's the shit that really doesn't go away. | ||
| But then you as a scholar and a commentator of mixed martial arts... | ||
| I was talking to Craig about this. | ||
| Because when I was super active and competing, it was like seven years ago, I would say, six years ago. | ||
| And he's like, the game has changed. | ||
| He was explaining in ways it has changed. | ||
| So one of them is foot locks. | ||
| Now the other one is the body lock. | ||
| The Marcello game of butterfly. | ||
| It's much harder to play butterfly guard now because of the body lock. | ||
| So he was explaining all these ways. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I think it would be amazing for you to get on the mat with Don and her and start learning. | ||
| Yeah, I can't wait until he moves here. | ||
| I'm really excited about that. | ||
| Just learning from him. | ||
| The evolution of the game. | ||
| He's obviously a part of the people that are doing that evolution. | ||
| Have you ever seen their jiu-jitsu instructional series? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Phenomenal. | ||
| The best out there. | ||
| Amazing stuff. | ||
| Gordon has a really good one in guard passing. | ||
| Craig has a few really good ones. | ||
| John is not for everyone, I would say, but I love it because they're so long. | ||
| It's like if Miyamoto Musashi was doing instructional. | ||
| Like, half the time it's philosophy. | ||
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| I love that shit, but, like, sometimes they just want to know not the big principles of, like, of the system, but more, like, specific techniques. | ||
| But I think having principles is, like, that's essential to understand. | ||
| And Gordon's really good at explaining, I watched one with guard passing, his explanation of, like, just the, like, what is guard passing? | ||
| Just the entirety of the system. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Craig is the first one that... | ||
| You know, like Dean Lister, why would you ignore half the body? | ||
| Craig actually said something to me. | ||
| I know others have said this a million times. | ||
| But we're doing some guard passing stuff. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| We're trying to talk through how to pass the guard. | ||
| And he said, why do you want to step into their guard? | ||
| Why not just go around it? | ||
| Why do you want to pass the guard? | ||
| Just go around it. | ||
| So he's talking about these Torian, which seems to be really effective in no-gee grappling. | ||
| You're going around the guard. | ||
| So you're not entering into the guard and then from there passing. | ||
| You're going around it. | ||
| And that's a way to break them also mentally and exhaust them until they just let go. | ||
| So never giving the guard player an opportunity to connect with you in a real, like, in any way that makes them comfortable to attack. | ||
| So it's always Toriando passing. | ||
| Like, moving their knees, throwing their knees to the side. | ||
| That's ideal for sure, but some guys you can't do that too. | ||
| His idea is like, why not? | ||
| Well, you know, he's elite and he can get away with it because he has a level of proficiency that's above most of the people. | ||
| You see when he tapped Ronaldo? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That just shows you. | ||
| Like, Ronaldo's like elite of the elite, right? | ||
| And when Craig got a hold of him, you could see he was lost. | ||
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| You know, and Craig locks up his leg and he's forced to tap. | ||
| There's a lot of guys Craig could do that to. | ||
| A lot of guys. | ||
| What John has done and what Gordon and Nicky and Gary Tonin and Nicky Rod have done, they've created an amazing level where they're all feeding off each other, which is really weird that they're separating right now. | ||
| It's like the Beatles. | ||
| I don't even want to ask questions, man. | ||
| You know what Craig Jones said? | ||
| He's like, in case anyone's wondering, I'm not Yoko Ono. | ||
| I want to know who's the Yoko in this story. | ||
| I mean, there's something to be said to greatness always kind of... | ||
| Like, it can't last. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what we were talking about with fighters, like MMA fighters, that they can only maintain those RPMs for a certain number of years. | ||
| The thing about what Gordon is doing right now is that Gordon is only 26. 25, 26? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's not even in his athletic prime. | ||
| He's got like four or five more years before he really hits peak. | ||
| And then he's probably got another four or five more years after that where he can maintain that peak, which is really incredible. | ||
| When he's 34, he'll still be at the top. | ||
| I mean, Wagner Rocha is number one in his weight class. | ||
| He's 40, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| Gordon Ryan at 40. Well, that said, Gordon did kind of retire, right, because of the stomach thing. | ||
| He's doing much better. | ||
| He's doing much better? | ||
| Much better. | ||
| Yeah, weighs too well. | ||
| They've been treating him. | ||
| Those are the guys that actually gave me the sign back here. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shout out to my man, Brigham. | ||
| But they have put him on a protocol, and there's some ways to deal with his particular stomach ailment, to deal with biologics, BBC 157 and stem cells. | ||
| There's some treatments that are effective, and he has had a big reaction to it. | ||
| He's not 100%, but he's quite a bit better. | ||
| He can keep more food down. | ||
| That was the thing. | ||
| Gordon was the best grappler in the world, the best grappler of all time, and he was dealing with a stomach issue that kept him from eating food, which is just fucking crazy. | ||
| Like, imagine that guy at 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's also possible that Friedrich Nietzsche, I think, famously suffers from migraines. | ||
| It's like, maybe it's good to suffer from something. | ||
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I think it's good to suffer from something. | |
| Self-imposed, at the very least, I am at my best when I am self-imposed suffering. | ||
| I like working out with a trainer, but there's something about me that likes working out by myself. | ||
| I like suffering when I don't have to. | ||
| There's no reason to. | ||
| There's no reason to put... | ||
| When I write some shit down, I know I have to do it. | ||
| There's no reason for me to do it. | ||
| But there's a massive satisfaction in doing it. | ||
| And running in the Austin heat is suffering. | ||
| I don't know if you've run outside, but that is a motherfucker. | ||
| I've been, like, not answering Goggins' emails. | ||
| Just slowly trying to train, because... | ||
| There's levels. | ||
| There's levels to crazy. | ||
| Goggins is on a completely different level. | ||
| Not doing anything with him in the summer. | ||
| He's nuts. | ||
| But like I was telling you offline, the go-to is run and then body weight, push-ups and pull-ups. | ||
| You can go so far with that. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Especially for jiu-jitsu. | ||
| No, it's phenomenal for jiu-jitsu because bodyweight exercises in high repetition really mimic the kind of conditioning that you need for jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| And there's a mental aspect to it, just putting your body in strain. | ||
| So bodyweight squats, too, sounds easy, but it's not after a while. | ||
| I do them every day. | ||
| I do 100 every day. | ||
| Just bodyweight. | ||
| I do 100 Hindu squats every day in a row. | ||
| I don't do shit until I do 100 Hindu squats. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| My respect for you just went up. | ||
| That's good shit. | ||
| I mean, it's way harder than it sounds. | ||
| Well, you know what it does, too? | ||
| It builds this muscle at the top of the quadriceps, like, where the knee hits. | ||
| And I talked to a bunch of people about that, and they think that it's, like, one of the best exercises for stabilizing the knee. | ||
| It's very similar to that knee over toes guy's idea. | ||
| Like, the knee does go over the toes when you do Hindu squats. | ||
| And I think this kind of movement feels like it makes you more functional for everyday life, like for going up the stairs, for doing stupid shit. | ||
| I remember getting injured when I was lifting real heavy in my early 20s, like power, like real heavy weight. | ||
| I remember getting really hurt just opening the window. | ||
| I got seriously injured. | ||
| Because everything's already broken down. | ||
| Everything's already broken down. | ||
| And then I just remember I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| It doesn't matter how much you squat or deadlift or whatever. | ||
| You want to be functional in everyday life. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's Hickson. | ||
| Hickson's training, even when he was doing weightlifting, he was doing light weights. | ||
| It was very functional training stuff, cleans and presses. | ||
| It was just about movement and keeping the body fluid and healthy and range of motion and flexibility. | ||
| Can I read you a poem? | ||
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| Okay, I learned my lesson. | ||
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If we were anywhere else, imagine if you and I were eating dinner. | |
| I'm like, what? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| No, this is only because there's a microphone. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Did you write this poem? | ||
| No, I didn't write. | ||
| See, I learned my lesson. | ||
| I'm not doing stupid shit. | ||
| Okay, just for the record, last time I played music on here, I forget when that was. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| You read comments too much. | ||
| It's not the comments. | ||
| It was scary. | ||
| It took guts for me to do it, and that's why I did it. | ||
| It's not necessarily the quality. | ||
| But what's the negative of it? | ||
| There's no negative. | ||
| But why do you say it as if there's some sort of repercussions? | ||
| So, right now, I kind of decided, like, I'm not a professional musician, obviously, but, so, like, I have in my repertoire, I'm able to play a lot of Hendrix. | ||
| So I've always wanted to play Hendrix here, but it always felt difficult. | ||
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| Like, this doesn't feel right. | ||
| Even, like, Gary Clark Jr., like, playing. | ||
| It's better if he's, like, fucking around more. | ||
| But if you're performing a serious thing, it doesn't feel right here. | ||
| That's not what this is, right? | ||
| Well, it's interesting. | ||
| Like, sometimes it's okay. | ||
| Like, some people do... | ||
| Like, Suzanne from Honey Honey. | ||
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| Like, she's had some of the best performances I've ever seen right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people could ever last, like... | ||
| It inspired him to do a whole acoustic thing. | ||
| My Life Acoustic, that was inspired from him doing sets here. | ||
| Yeah, he played What It's Like. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I love Everlast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I mean, maybe that's long-term. | ||
| But I know what you're saying. | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
| I mean, if I was... | ||
| So here's the... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's difficult to play Voodoo Child, for example. | ||
| Ah... | ||
| In the full... | ||
| There's a technical way to play it, which is like precise. | ||
| That's not as fun. | ||
| You want to play it precise plus improvise. | ||
| Shoot the shit, have fun with it. | ||
| Probably, I don't usually get high, but like get into the spirit, right? | ||
| You don't usually get high. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're at Jamie's house, you are. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But to perform it, like, loose and fully in it, that requires, like, you have to first go actually play it live in front of people, like, relax. | ||
| I mean, it's like performing jokes or something. | ||
| You have to get really good at that. | ||
| And I haven't, just like the Q people, most of my music playing has been by myself. | ||
| What does that mean by, like, the Q people? | ||
| No, I'm saying, like, most of my art is created behind the computer by myself. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's what I mean by the Q people. | ||
| But I love... | ||
| Do you think you've ever do, like, a show? | ||
| Like, maybe you do, like, a set at Antones? | ||
| Like music? | ||
| Do, like, a live performance? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I used to play live. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| So some people stand up to the pressure well. | ||
| For music, it's terrifying. | ||
| I wonder how many repetitions it takes to fully lose that pressure. | ||
| There's several things. | ||
| What I'm referring to with Hendrix is just technically difficult, too. | ||
| So it's not only that you have to lose yourself, you also have to be on point finger-wise. | ||
| It's like if you're a physical act or something like that, you really just have to also perform really well. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| For me, when I get on stage, especially when there's a larger number of people, I feel it. | ||
| And I wonder if reps can get over that. | ||
| I definitely... | ||
| I think you have to do reps in front of people. | ||
| Yeah, in front of people. | ||
| I mean, I think it's like, did you ever read Outliers? | ||
| When they talked about the Beatles, you know, and the Beatles performing in, I think it was Munich? | ||
| Is that what they did? | ||
| They were doing just constant shows all the time. | ||
| So when the people, when the general public first saw the Beatles when they went mainstream, they had been working together. | ||
| For so many hours and hours and hours of live performances in front of passionate audiences, that they were a finely tuned machine. | ||
| And that, you know, when you think about Hendrix, Hendrix was not just technically proficient. | ||
| He was also free in this way that I don't want to advocate drug use. | ||
| It's like, what's that Hunter S. Thompson quote? | ||
| I don't want to advocate drug use. | ||
| It's worked for me. | ||
| Yeah, drug use and violence, but it's always worked for me. | ||
| There's something to Hendrick's looseness and the freedom of his expression that's just... | ||
| I don't know if you get there any other way. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't mean... | ||
| There's certain liberties that he would take with notes. | ||
| To me, Voodoo Child, to me, is like, if I'm tired and I play that song, like if I'm on a stair mill or something like that and I play that song, it's like fuel for the body. | ||
| It's like a drug. | ||
| All of a sudden I'm like, whoa, let's go! | ||
| Your body just fucking feeds off of it. | ||
| There's something about his interpretation of those notes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when it's like live, because he loses himself much more in the WAP. I just lose himself. | ||
| I actually like the Stevie Ray Vaughan version. | ||
| Yeah, Stevie Ray Vaughan's version is amazing. | ||
| But it's different. | ||
| It's more technical. | ||
| It's less loosey. | ||
| Well, it's also a bit of an homage, right? | ||
| It's an homage, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which you don't want to outperform the master sometimes. | ||
| Well, it's, you know, can you even? | ||
| It's like you're always going to, everyone's going to know that even if you take it further, you took it further because the other guy had the baton first and he handed it to you. | ||
| Like, you know. | ||
| Well, then Johnny Cash just owned Hart from Nine Inch Nails. | ||
| Yeah, there's a little bit of that. | ||
| Some people just take the song. | ||
| Well, also he was dying. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So the whole, the story of the man is... | ||
| You know, there's a quality to his voice when he was singing that where he was at the end of the road and a road where he was... | ||
| I mean, I don't want to speak for him, but it seems like a fucking amazing life. | ||
| And he kind of knew it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Complex, dude, too. | ||
| So complex. | ||
| So Voodoo Child is your number one? | ||
| It's one of them. | ||
| For Jimmy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So All Along the Watchtower. | ||
| By the way, I love playing Hey Joe. | ||
| Wouldn't play it here because it's ridiculous. | ||
| Where are you going with that gut in your hand? | ||
| I would love to play that song, but it's too ridiculous. | ||
| All Along the Watchtower is actually... | ||
| If Six was Nine, it's another one. | ||
| Castle's made of sand. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many. | ||
| I've always been a fan of the candle that burns quickly and is snuffed out before it's primed. | ||
| What's he, 27? | ||
| Yeah, same as Morrison, same as Janis Joplin. | ||
| Two other people that I'm massive fans with. | ||
| Massive fans of Janis Joplin. | ||
| Because Janis Joplin was another one. | ||
| Her vibe was so weird, right? | ||
| She was this weird, hippie... | ||
| It wasn't very attractive physically, but her voice had so much fucking soul and agony in it, you know? | ||
| Like, Take Another Little Piece of My Heart. | ||
| Yeah, that song is just... | ||
| Oh, there he is. | ||
| There was just something about that time, too, where you're talking about the 60s, which came right after the 50s. | ||
| So imagine a world where in 2011, everybody was a dork. | ||
| And then in 2021, people were doing acid and freaking out. | ||
| And one of the things they said about Hendrix's headband, he would put acid... | ||
| I don't know if this is true. | ||
| He'd put acid in the headband. | ||
| And then put it on and tie it on his head. | ||
| And then as he would sweat, the acid would get into his pores. | ||
| And it would get into his bloodstream. | ||
| Maybe we have that coming. | ||
| Maybe we're living through the 50s right now. | ||
| It sounds like something we would do, but that sounds like it wouldn't work, too. | ||
| No, I think it would work. | ||
| But isn't that how Albert Hoffman eventually, or originally rather, got intoxicated with LSD when he was synthesizing it in a lab? | ||
| I believe it went through his dermis. | ||
| Yeah, in the second paragraph of Did Jimi Hendrix Do This? | ||
| It says, it's not completely impossible to dose yourself that way, but it would be a lot less effort to just take it. | ||
| Yeah, but maybe he did it for fun that way. | ||
| Like, put some droplets in his headband and then tie that bitch on, and then you start sweating. | ||
| And then it gets into your system. | ||
| I mean, imagine tripping on acid in front of, like, Woodstock crowds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Playing the Star Spangled Banner with your teeth. | |
| Other versions of the story says it was heroin or cocaine under the bandana. | ||
| But I don't know that it doesn't say if it's true or not. | ||
| So it's just a rumor. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I was watching these live... | ||
| Freddie Mercury from Queen. | ||
| When he was performing Live Aid or something like that. | ||
| That performance. | ||
| I watch that. | ||
| I return to that often because he... | ||
| Just to be able to control the audience. | ||
| He does this thing with a voice thing. | ||
| He's an incredible singer. | ||
| He sings something and he tells the audience to sing it. | ||
| And then they sing it and then he goes back and forth. | ||
| Just to have one man to have that control. | ||
| and and then to perform like the fucking best version of every song look at the sounds of that crowd Ero! | ||
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*Cheering* All right! | |
| The balls in that guy. | ||
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Yeah, well, he was at the peak of his powers. | |
| That's another guy that died too soon. | ||
| There's so many of them that are so great that died too soon. | ||
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It's almost like The universe doesn't want you to live long enough. | |
| If you're that big, that's special. | ||
| But I don't know if it's even that you can't handle it. | ||
| It's just like, that's just how it goes, man. | ||
| Whether you're Elvis or whoever the fuck you are, man. | ||
| That's just how it goes. | ||
| Well, everyone's life is too short, right? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Relative... | ||
| By the time you start figuring things out, it's too late. | ||
| You know, that's the hustle, right? | ||
| But by the time you figure shit out, you're probably not going to create anything great. | ||
| I feel like greatness... | ||
| Because your body's deteriorating. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For the most part. | ||
| I feel like greatness is created at that edge. | ||
| When you haven't quite figured it out, you're kind of too stupid to know better. | ||
| Which is why Elon Musk is fascinating. | ||
| He's getting up there and he's still doing stupid shit. | ||
| He's still taking big risks and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| Yeah, artists, particularly musical artists in general, they get to a certain point in time and they lose whatever, like rock and roll people, they lose whatever it means to be this creative force. | ||
| In general, and it's not universal, but in general, musicians stop really creating great music as they get older. | ||
| They might be able to recreate the great music of the past. | ||
| If you go see the Beach Boys, they're not busting out new songs. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Even the Stones. | ||
| The Stones are still playing today. | ||
| Nobody wants to see the new shit. | ||
| Shut the fuck up with your new shit. | ||
| I mean, I guess they had a long stretch of, like, their big hits weren't, like, over, like, a couple of decades. | ||
| But, yeah, they haven't lasted. | ||
| I'm trying to think if there's anybody. | ||
| Avalanche has done well. | ||
| But, like, there's, like... | ||
| Bruce Springsteen. | ||
| Bruce Springsteen. | ||
| Yeah, he still makes a lot of new stuff, but there's not a lot of iconic rock stars that people want and get excited about their new releases. | ||
| In general, they're nostalgic for the stuff that they busted out. | ||
| When they were in their prime. | ||
| Bruce Springsteen would be definitely great for this podcast. | ||
| But he did that thing with Obama. | ||
| It was odd. | ||
| I shit on it a little bit. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Publicly? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It wasn't great. | ||
| It was whack. | ||
| It wasn't great. | ||
| It was like watered down milk. | ||
| It just didn't seem like they were free. | ||
| They were too conscious that people were listening and there's too much at stake. | ||
| There's too much going on. | ||
| I think podcasts have to be born out of nothing and somehow or another maintain that essence. | ||
| They have to maintain the essence that no one gives a shit about what you have to say. | ||
| And do it when millions of people give a shit about what you have to say. | ||
| It's not easy to do. | ||
| Yeah, you do that really well. | ||
| Like, however the hell you do it. | ||
| Probably weed and exercise. | ||
| We didn't exercise. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I think about that, too, as the platforms grow and stuff like that. | ||
| I've noticed just my own ego looking in the mirror. | ||
| It's shrinking more than anything. | ||
| But you never know. | ||
| It might... | ||
| But you have a good sense of humility and the significance of humility. | ||
| Humility is very, very important because it's the only thing that will save you when your ego gets overwhelmed. | ||
| It's the saddest thing in the world when you see someone overwhelmed by their ego to the point where they want and expect a certain type of treatment of other people. | ||
| I've tried as I've gotten more and more famous to be more appreciative and more humble. | ||
| I've tried. | ||
| It's something I work at. | ||
| I'm not perfect at it. | ||
| No human being is perfect at it. | ||
| But the problem with the world of podcasting in general is that there's no blueprint for it. | ||
| It hasn't been established. | ||
| It's not like, you know, if you want to be a rock star, you can pay attention to Hendrix. | ||
| You can pay attention to Led Zeppelin. | ||
| You want to be a famous podcaster. | ||
| Who are you looking at? | ||
| Who's fucking done it? | ||
| The hilarious thing is you're looking at Rogan. | ||
| Yeah, but Rogan's telling you. | ||
| Rogan's telling you there's no fucking guidelines. | ||
| And you're not going to do it the way I do it because you're not me anyway. | ||
| It's going to be a while before we figure out how to do this right. | ||
| But I think humility is significant. | ||
| And you do it very, very, very well. | ||
| You're one of my favorite people to listen to and your podcast is excellent. | ||
| You're one of the very best at removing yourself from a situation and interviewing people and trying to extract the most out of them and it's not easy. | ||
| I think about podcasting aside. | ||
| I really want to launch a company. | ||
| If you're super successful, you're talking about 1,000, 10,000 employees. | ||
| I look at people that are CEOs now and a lot of them seem to have lost touch with the reality a little bit. | ||
| So I wonder what kind of systems you can create for yourself to keep that ego in check, to keep in touch with reality. | ||
| You know, that process is really interesting. | ||
| And again, there's no good blueprint for that either. | ||
| I think it needs to be done in solitary, and I think it needs to be about self-imposed suffering. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think there's any other way around it. | ||
| I've thought about this, man. | ||
| I wish there was. | ||
| I don't want to do it, but I don't think I can perform at my best. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| Even discussing self-imposed suffering and the fact that I do it is a little bit of an ego boost, because I'll let you know that I torture myself in a way, like physically torture myself. | ||
| You know, like, oh, what are you, working out hard? | ||
| Like, there's part of that. | ||
| But that's the reality of what it is. | ||
| I just don't think there's any other way. | ||
| I think you need challenges. | ||
| And I think if you live a life without challenges, you're going to become a tyrant. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the reasons I really admire David Goggins is there's an element to his suffering that the fact that the camera is sometimes turned on is an accident. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like he's suffering, like the tree that falls in the forest and nobody is there to see it, that's David Goggins. | ||
| He'll be out there screaming into the air by himself. | ||
| Legitimately. | ||
| Legitimately. | ||
| Same as Cam Haynes. | ||
| Yeah, Cam Haynes. | ||
| He's another one. | ||
| But he's not even screaming. | ||
| That's the ultimate form. | ||
| Cam Haynes is just out there suffering. | ||
| And he works an eight-hour-a-day job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the quietest form of inspiration is Cam Haynes. | ||
| Because he's not... | ||
| That's not even... | ||
| I don't think he does motivational stuff where he's screaming. | ||
| No, he's like... | ||
| He just does the work. | ||
| You happen to see through the... | ||
| A little bit through the inklings of information that he just runs nonstop. | ||
| Well, I see it because he's one of my best friends. | ||
| But, you know, I wrote the foreword to his book, and one of the things that I wrote is that he's doing an art form. | ||
| And it's an art form that very few people can participate in, and very few people are going to appreciate unless you participate in it. | ||
| And it's the art form of the maximized life. | ||
| It's the art form of the grind for the grind's sake. | ||
| And if you can gaze into it and just... | ||
| Separate yourself from your – that's one of the things that people want to do when they see a person like a Goggins or a Jocko or a Cam Haynes. | ||
| They want to compare themselves and oftentimes they come up short. | ||
| They're unfavorably comparing their life to this person and they realize that this person is more disciplined than me. | ||
| This person is—they're doing things that I just—I'll fall short some days, and they don't fall short. | ||
| They just keep fucking grinding. | ||
| They keep fucking grinding. | ||
| And I think it's a performance. | ||
| I think it's like a—it's a wild— Form of art because it's the it's a conquest over the mind the conquest over laziness and procrastination and and That little that little voice in your head. | ||
| It's like you don't have to get up today You don't have to do it today Not one of my favorite things that Goggins says you sometimes I stare at my shoes for a half hour before I put on those motherfuckers But I always do I think you've recently been posting about that. | ||
| Very much that's the battle with that voice. | ||
| I think he posted something about not even having a conversation with that voice. | ||
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Fuck that voice. | |
| Don't think. | ||
| Don't think. | ||
| Stop thinking. | ||
| Thinking is dumb. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Yeah, that's only... | ||
| Whenever I've done, especially physical stuff, but also just work stuff, the best way to do something really difficult is just to do it. | ||
| There's no thinking. | ||
| You can't have a way out. | ||
| Yeah, cut off. | ||
| And that was the quitting... | ||
| I've quit a few times in my life, just like on stupid shit. | ||
| And I've realized that if you quit once, even on a small thing, like that opens the door. | ||
| Then you know that you can quit. | ||
| Those little demons. | ||
| Those little demons come and talk. | ||
| Lex! | ||
| Let's take a nap! | ||
| This is the last time I'm quitting on a run. | ||
| I quit when I was doing... | ||
| I decided with myself like Three years ago, I'd run a marathon just for fun. | ||
| And then I quit when I was at 22 miles. | ||
| I remember I was shivering really cold. | ||
| And then I remember thinking, like, why am I doing this? | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| And for months after, I realized I just gave myself an out. | ||
| Like, I decided I'm going to do a marathon. | ||
| And I stopped because I was shivering and I convinced myself... | ||
| You went four miles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was thinking, like, I called an Uber. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I was just sitting there. | ||
| I was like, this is right. | ||
| This is fine. | ||
| This is fine. | ||
| I got 22 miles. | ||
| This is fine. | ||
| Still impressive. | ||
| It's still impressive. | ||
| And 22 miles is a lot. | ||
| Most people don't run 22 miles. | ||
| And then it stayed with me for months. | ||
| It still stays with me. | ||
| And then you realize, no. | ||
| Do you ever wonder, though, like the problem with that voice is the voice is never satisfied. | ||
| The voice that wants to keep going is never satisfied. | ||
| Like, you can kill yourself with that voice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you know, I did this thing in the ice bath, or I did 20 minutes in the ice bath. | ||
| You could have died there. | ||
| No. | ||
| I was okay at 20 minutes, but I was thinking of going a lot longer. | ||
| I was thinking of going a lot longer. | ||
| I was thinking of going to a place where I don't think anybody could go. | ||
| I was like, how far can you go? | ||
| How far can you go where you don't die, but you get real close? | ||
| And this was before I had the sauna set up. | ||
| I didn't have the sauna next to the ice bath yet. | ||
| Now I do, because I feel like I can go even further if I have that sauna right there. | ||
| I know I could just get out and get into that 185 degrees and warm me up real quick. | ||
| I wonder how far you can go, because I think Wim Hof has done 60 minutes in a barrel full of ice and water. | ||
| That's a long time. | ||
| If you could do 20, how come you can't do 60? | ||
| What is the number? | ||
| Like, what's the number? | ||
| Where's hypothermia come in? | ||
| Like, where are you being a pussy, and where's hypothermia? | ||
| Like, where do they meet? | ||
| One hour, 52 minutes, and 42 seconds. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| One hour, 52 minutes, and 42 seconds. | ||
| He's got the Guinness Book of World Records for sitting in an ice bath. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
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See? | |
| I'm right. | ||
| But you gotta be careful. | ||
| See, like, my ability to control my body is like blue belt shit. | ||
| He's like Hicks and Gracie black belt shit. | ||
| The question is, how good are you? | ||
| How good are you at knowing how close to death you are? | ||
| Because that's important to be a black belt in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the 40% for Goggins. | ||
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Like, how close are you to the Also, he's got a bunch of assholes staring at him. | |
| That would annoy the fuck out of me. | ||
| That would probably help him because they're going to call him a pussy if he gets out. | ||
| They keep pouring ice on him, too. | ||
| I wonder what it was like. | ||
| I'd like to talk to him about what the recovery was like after he got out of it. | ||
| Is this after? | ||
| Yeah, this is him getting out. | ||
| What's that 20 on his... | ||
| This is 2011. I think this is when it... | ||
| What's he doing? | ||
| He got out. | ||
| He's doing dips and shit. | ||
| Read your poem, my friend. | ||
| Let's get this out of here. | ||
| Read your poem, my friend. | ||
| Want another drink? | ||
| You looked at that like you want some more. | ||
| Yeah, just a little bit more. | ||
| Get a little bit more here. | ||
| My neighbor is a professional country musician, John Wolfe. | ||
| He's big on tequila. | ||
| He says if you want to be a cowboy, you gotta drink tequila. | ||
| He's got an album coming out. | ||
| That sounds very specific. | ||
| Malice on one side, country musician on the other. | ||
| This is Austin life. | ||
| I love it out here. | ||
| Isn't it great? | ||
| Have you got a gun yet? | ||
| I'll give you one. | ||
| I can give you a gun. | ||
| Does a gentleman kiss and tell? | ||
| Or is that not about guns? | ||
| You can have a gun out here and tell people. | ||
| I feel like I don't want to have a lot of guns until I train. | ||
| Oh, well, let's train. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on, I'll take you out. | ||
| Invitation accepted. | ||
| I was just at Taron Tactical in LA last weekend. | ||
| Is there a similar kind of thing? | ||
| Yeah, there's a shitload of them. | ||
| I can't believe I used to even know. | ||
| There's a lot. | ||
| But I tell you, Taron is one of the best on earth. | ||
| It's amazing learning from that guy. | ||
| Okay, this is about not letting that little fire of hope, love, die. | ||
| One of the best poems ever, Bukowski. | ||
| Bluebird. | ||
| You know the poem? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Probably my favorite Bukowski poem. | ||
| There's a bluebird in my heart that wants to get out, but I'm too tough for him. | ||
| I say, stay in there. | ||
| I'm not going to let anybody see you. | ||
| There's a bluebird in my heart that wants to get out, but I, uh, let me take it. | ||
| Pour whiskey on him. | ||
| And inhale cigarette smoke. | ||
| And the whores and the bartenders and the grocery clerks never know that he's in there. | ||
| There's a bluebird in my heart that wants to get out. | ||
| But I'm too tough for him. | ||
| I say, stay down. | ||
| Do you want to mess me up? | ||
| You want to screw up the works? | ||
| You want to blow my book sales in Europe? | ||
| There's a bluebird in my heart that wants to get out, but I'm too clever. | ||
| I only let him out at night sometimes, when everybody's asleep. | ||
| I say, I know that you're there, so don't be sad. | ||
| Then I put him back, but he's still singing a little in there. | ||
| I haven't quite let him die, and we sleep together like that, with our secret pact. | ||
| And it's nice enough to make a man weep, but I don't weep. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Do you Joe Rogan? | ||
| I weep all the time. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I cry mostly when I'm happy. | ||
| Yeah, I mostly cry for happy things, but that's a beautiful poem. | ||
| Do you cry? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When do you cry? | ||
| Whenever there's a good father-son scene in a movie, like Movie Blow. | ||
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Aww. | |
| Aww. | ||
| Anyway, it's an honor to be here. | ||
| It's an honor to be your friend. | ||
| It's an honor to be your friend. | ||
| I love you, brother. | ||
| I love you, too. | ||
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
| I love you, too. | ||
| Thank you, everybody. | ||
|
unidentified
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Bye-bye. |
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