Aug. 4, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Alright, we're up for money. | ||
| Money Mendez, what's up? | ||
| Good to see you, brother. | ||
| Finally, man, we've been talking about doing this a long time. | ||
| Too long, bro. | ||
| Look at that, Jamie. | ||
| We splattered. | ||
| I tried to push the plunger down on the French press and it splattered everywhere. | ||
| So if my microphone explodes, we know why. | ||
| Sorry, this table needed a little seasoning. | ||
| Needed some color. | ||
| I'm going to throw one over here. | ||
| I'll get this. | ||
| That's alright. | ||
| So what's happening, man? | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| How's the retirement life? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Retirement from fighting, but maybe not really. | ||
| No, man. | ||
| I'm actually more busy now not fighting. | ||
| I'm actually... | ||
| I want to get back into the training part of it so it can slow down a little bit, but it's been good, dude. | ||
| We got a ton of stuff going on, a lot of stuff on the plate. | ||
| My wife's about to kill me, but... | ||
| But we got some shit going. | ||
| You working too much? | ||
| Too much, man. | ||
| Way too much. | ||
| But it's good, man. | ||
| After fighting, I had to channel that energy of getting shit going and being successful somewhere. | ||
| I almost felt like I jumped into a little bit of a depression there for a couple weeks after because I had no sense of doing. | ||
| And so I was like, fuck it. | ||
| I'm going to start just... | ||
| Trying to grow a couple brands and building a couple companies and see what happens. | ||
| So I was like honed all my energy onto that stuff and it definitely took over. | ||
| So it's been nice. | ||
| It's been fun being able to just basically channel that stuff into that and let it rip. | ||
| It's one of the most difficult things for a fighter is the stopping fighting, but you don't know what to do with all this intense energy that you've been focusing your whole life in one way, and now all of a sudden... | ||
| For a lot of fighters, it's like their whole identity, right? | ||
| It is, man. | ||
| I started wrestling when I was five years old. | ||
| I wrestled from five years old every single year. | ||
| Up and through college and then the day after graduation drove up to Faber's. | ||
| I lived in his spare room and started training. | ||
| Trained for three months and had my first pro fight and then just basically never stopped. | ||
| And so it's like when you have that identity of an athlete and then that's like your routine, that's what you do. | ||
| Like when I stopped I was just like, dude what am I doing? | ||
| Like, what do I do with my life? | ||
| And how old are you now? | ||
| I'm 36. I just turned 36 in May. | ||
| So you're still in this, like, athletic zone where you're still, you know, until you're in, once you're around 40, people start going, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Time to do something else. | ||
| But 36, it's like, man, Anderson was in his prime at 36. Yeah. | ||
| I was going to say, unless you're Dan Hendo or even Couture, but those are freaks. | ||
| Couture didn't even start his career, I think, until he was 35. Yeah. | ||
| I want to say he might have been, it was 34 or 35 with his first UFC fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Let's find out what that is. | ||
| Find out. | ||
| It's like 1997. I was there for it. | ||
| That was the tournament, and it was the same weekend that Tito Ortiz had his first fight, Guy Metzger had his first fight. | ||
| Tito beat Wes Albright. | ||
| I don't know how I remember that. | ||
| And then he fought Guy and Guy tapped him out. | ||
| Guy caught him in a guillotine. | ||
| I remember watching those. | ||
| I remember going to Blockbuster. | ||
| Do you remember Blockbuster? | ||
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Sure! | |
| Me and my brothers are right over there on our bikes and I'd go straight to the section that had all the VHS for the UFC events. | ||
| Right next to like Faces of Death. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'd grab as many as we could, take him home and sit there and just watch him for hours. | ||
| Yeah, I remember. | ||
| I believe it was UFC 2 was the only one that was available. | ||
| I believe you couldn't get UFC 1 on VHS for a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think Horry and Gracie owned it or something. | ||
| I don't know, yeah. | ||
| He would have been like turning 34 that year. | ||
| Aha, there you go. | ||
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Like a month after. | |
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| Yeah, 34, starting his career. | ||
| And goes on to become the light heavyweight and the heavyweight champion. | ||
| One of the best in the world, yeah. | ||
| One of the best ever. | ||
| And then fights, like, wow, for more than 10 years. | ||
| So this is 97. When did he retire from the UFC? I thought he was, like, 43 or 40. Man, I mean, he fought Liotta Machida, he was like, he was deep in his 40s. | ||
| Or in his 40s. | ||
| He wouldn't have been closer to 50. Would he have been? | ||
| Well, when did he fight Liotta Machida? | ||
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2011. April 30th, 2011. Wow, yeah. | |
| So, yeah. | ||
| I can tell you I'm not fighting that long. | ||
| So he's 48. He was 48. Yeah. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's super rare though. | ||
| Super rare. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like Bernard Hopkins was the only other guy that fought like at a world class level into his 50s. | ||
| Bernard was like at 50. That's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I hope that I feel that good to be able to compete when I'm 50, but I'll tell you what, I do a lot of hunting and fishing stuff with Hendo, and that guy's like... | ||
| Yeah, he's like a robot. | ||
| He barely can move. | ||
| I'm like, Dan, and he's like, huh? | ||
| Now, does he feel all right when you talk to him? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That guy still spars. | ||
| He tells me he still spars. | ||
| Does he really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, dude, Dan, you're insane. | ||
| Why does he spar? | ||
| It's a good workout. | ||
| I'm like, Dan, I could give you like 50 other things you can do, It's a good workout that you don't have to spar, get punched in the head. | ||
| He's so stiff. | ||
| Is he stiff because he's just stiff or is he in pain? | ||
| I think he's just stiff. | ||
| Even if he's in pain, he would never tell you. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's got cauliflower hands. | ||
| I look at his hands sometimes and I'll just grab them and I'm like... | ||
| Dude. | ||
| And they just feel hard. | ||
| Harder than most people's bones in their hand. | ||
| Well, all of Dan's body feels weird. | ||
| When you put your hand on his back, it's like mahogany. | ||
| It's like, what are you fucking made out of oak? | ||
| It's just petrified wood. | ||
| He doesn't feel like a regular person. | ||
| I talked to the lady that massaged him. | ||
| She goes, I've never met someone more dense. | ||
| He is dense. | ||
| He's just dense. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| Well, that's where he got all that power, too. | ||
| His whole body's just fucking Yeah, he's solid. | ||
| He's an odd dude. | ||
| He is. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| He's an amazing, amazing person. | ||
| I mean, you gotta realize, this guy competed as a heavyweight and knocked out Fedor. | ||
| Remember that, right? | ||
| And that was when Fedor was still Fedor. | ||
| This is like, Fedor's still fighting, right? | ||
| But this was like more than 10 years ago. | ||
| This was in Strikeforce. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah, we sat and watched a bunch of those highlights from a lot of those fights. | ||
| We were over at my buddy Chad Belding's house, and we were doing some filming and stuff, and we just sat down and everybody just kind of quit what they were doing and just watched that dude just KO dude after dude. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| Everybody's like, man, Dan. | ||
| Because a lot of the girls that work there and stuff that help us, I don't think they really understand who Dan Henderson is. | ||
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Right. | |
| And they're just watching this stuff on TV and they're like, Jesus. | ||
| Dan's just like, huh, huh. | ||
| It's like, huh, you know? | ||
| I love the guy to death, man. | ||
| He's quite a character. | ||
| He's quite a character. | ||
| And a real pioneer. | ||
| I was there for his first fight, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think his first fight was versus Alan Goez. | ||
| If that wasn't his first fight in the UFC, it was one of the first fights, and I think he was in a tournament with Alan Goez. | ||
| Yeah, I remember him talking about that. | ||
| I missed it. | ||
| I didn't see it. | ||
| But he told me, if I remember right, he beat someone. | ||
| Carlos Newton? | ||
| The crowd got really upset by the call. | ||
| And there was people storming the cage or the ring. | ||
| I think that was the Alan Goa's fight. | ||
| People were pissed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was a... | ||
| I don't remember the fight enough to comment on the decision. | ||
| But I think some people were pissed at it. | ||
| But, you know, that's one thing that's never changed, shitty decisions. | ||
| I mean, they still exist. | ||
| You know, Francis Ngannou had a very good point the other day that there should be some protection for fighters because, you know, losing half of your purse because someone made a bad call. | ||
| There should be a way around that. | ||
| That's funny you say that because I years ago was talking with a buddy of mine and we were thinking of like an insurance plan for fighters just for that reason right there. | ||
| For injuries like say you're you're because this is the shitty thing that I don't I mean a lot of people probably know this but you go through a 10-week training camp and this has happened to me multiple times in my fight In some fights where the week before the fight, your opponent gets injured, they back out, they can't find anybody to fill in, and now your fight doesn't happen. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| You just went through all that training, paying your trainers, you know, you still got to pay managers and everything for everything they do work-wise. | ||
| You don't get paid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you're just like, damn it, man. | ||
| And for some fighters, if you get injured after that, you're talking, I mean, what if you tear an ACL after that? | ||
| Then you're a year and a half out. | ||
| Like, oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, it's a hard world. | ||
| It's a hard world. | ||
| I wish somebody would come up with that. | ||
| I don't have the capacity now to do it, but I think it would be a smart business move and it would be cool for fighters to have, for sure. | ||
| Well, you know, there was a lot of uproar this weekend because of who's the gal that was in the co-main event who won and then she got the $50,000 win bonus. | ||
| I saw the videos. | ||
| See if she can pull up her name. | ||
| And people were really mad at the UFC because of her reaction because it changed her life. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Was this the same girl that I saw started a GoFundMe page or something? | ||
| Did she? | ||
| I remember seeing there was a female fighter that started a GoFundMe page. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And it could be her, I don't know. | ||
| But I did see the video of her where she's like taking a drink of her coke and then just like hits the ground. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Yeah, so go back up. | ||
| So yeah. | ||
| Cheyenne buys Banks a bonus for UFC 33 co-main event finish. | ||
| So it was a beautiful finish. | ||
| She caught the girl with a head kick and then finished her off. | ||
| It was pretty awesome. | ||
| But afterwards, they were talking about fighter pay, you know, and she was crying and then all these people got online and they started complaining about the UFC. And I see everybody's point. | ||
| I see their point and I also see the UFC's point because A lot of people don't know who she is yet. | ||
| I mean, they know who she is more now, but the whole thing about this sport is how many people are going to watch you fight. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| How exciting are you? | ||
| How entertaining are you? | ||
| How engaging are you, your personality? | ||
| And do you put asses in the seats? | ||
| I mean, it's clear now, you know, who puts asses in the seats and those are the people that get the most money. | ||
| And it's a complicated thing for people, you know, because they think, well, the best fighter should make the most money. | ||
| And you go, yeah, but the best fighter doesn't put the most asses in the seats. | ||
| And that's what this game is all about. | ||
| It's a weird sport, right? | ||
| It's prize fighting, but it's also entertainment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it is tough for a lot of guys because, bottom line, You know, you could be the best in the world. | ||
| I hate using this as an example because I love the guy, Demetrius Johnson. | ||
| In my opinion, was one of the best UFC fighters to ever stand in there. | ||
| Of all time. | ||
| If not the best. | ||
| He, for whatever reason, and it's probably because, and I feel like I'm kind of the same way, we're not shit talkers. | ||
| We're not guys that cause that drama and make things dramatic. | ||
| We just want to get in there, compete, and kick someone's ass and go have some fun doing other things that we enjoy. | ||
| And, uh, I don't think he moved the needle at all. | ||
| And people were saying that. | ||
| He was also 125 pounds. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I think that's another issue too. | ||
| It's not an issue, but it's something. | ||
| People want to see these big guys just go in there and KO people, bottom line. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it interesting? | ||
| Because 135 is really popular. | ||
| It's only 10 pounds. | ||
| It's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't understand it, but... | ||
| But it's weird. | ||
| It's like, you can't be the smallest. | ||
| You can be the second smallest, and everybody's like, all right, I'm all in with these bantamweights. | ||
| Like, that fucking TJ Dillashaw-San Hagen fight from last weekend was amazing. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| What a fight. | ||
| TJ was supposed to come do our tuna trip, our Fins and Feathers tuna trip, and we knew it was a 50-50 chance that, you know, whether he had broken hands or something, that he wouldn't be able to come, but... | ||
| His knee's mangled, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He had to have surgery. | ||
| Did he have the surgery? | ||
| I think he already had surgery, yeah. | ||
| How bad is it? | ||
| I think he said it's a three-month recovery. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't even know if I should be saying all this on here. | ||
| Sorry, TJ. Sorry, TJ. Yeah, I don't know if you want this out or not. | ||
| But, yeah, I know he was pretty mangled up from it. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| He was on crutches. | ||
| It looked like it was the heel hook, if I had to guess. | ||
| Like, a lot of people were saying he wrenched it on the way out, but there's a moment where Sanhagen catches him in a heel hook, and he's yanking on it. | ||
| And the way I'm looking at it, I'm like, man, that could rip your shit apart. | ||
| He didn't tell me what it was from. | ||
| He just showed me photos of his knee was just huge. | ||
| He probably barely knew. | ||
| Probably barely knew. | ||
| If his ankle was fucked, too, that even lends more credibility to the possibility... | ||
| It could have been opposite sides, too. | ||
| I have to look at the photos. | ||
| But I do know I talked to TJ like a week before the fight, and he was like, man, this is probably the most injured I've ever been going into a fight. | ||
| But he's like, fuck it. | ||
| And TJ's just a tough son of a bitch. | ||
| He's a tough motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, he's a tough son of a bitch. | ||
| People give him a lot of shit for that EPO thing. | ||
| And he deserves it, and he'll tell you he deserves it, but look, that motherfucker was dying making 125, like literally dying. | ||
| I've never seen anybody look worse walking around like when they were filming him, not even the day he was making weight, but like up to the day of making weight, he looked like a fucking skeleton. | ||
| I'm so against big weight cuts, man. | ||
| I fucking hate it. | ||
| I cut tons of weight throughout college for wrestling, and my senior year, I finally just put my foot down and was like, look, I'm going up two weight classes. | ||
| I'm not cutting to 125s anymore. | ||
| I used to cut to 125s, and I was making weight two times a week. | ||
| You know, wrestling. | ||
| And I went up to 141s and was undefeated the entire year. | ||
| My only loss came in the NCAA Finals. | ||
| It was the best I had ever felt. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, why did I not do that my whole life? | ||
| Isn't it amazing? | ||
| It's like you're doing this. | ||
| I'm fully against weight cutting in MMA. Period. | ||
| And you could probably apply it to all combat sports. | ||
| Because I think what it is, even though there's no disrespect to anybody who does it, but I think it's sanctioned cheating. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Because if you're saying you're the, like, let's say Kamaru Usman is the 170-pound champion. | ||
| Kamaru Usman weighs 170 pounds for about 20 minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that guy's massive. | ||
| You know, he's a solid 200 or close to it. | ||
| He's a thick fella. | ||
| You know, he's not really 170 pounds. | ||
| And that's no fault of his own. | ||
| Everybody he fights is the same way. | ||
| Whether it's Masvidal or, you know, You know, all of them. | ||
| Everybody he fights. | ||
| They're all big people. | ||
| Tyron was a giant guy at 170. He was never really 170 either. | ||
| But if they just fought at their weight class, like what they actually weigh, I think they would feel better. | ||
| They'd perform better. | ||
| I think you'd have a longer career. | ||
| You'd probably have less injuries. | ||
| More exciting fights, I think. | ||
| More exciting fights. | ||
| You'd have more energy. | ||
| And I think the solution is the UFC needs more weight classes. | ||
| I really believe that every 10 pounds is the way to go. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I was the same way, man. | ||
| I would cut to 45s and I would put on about 20 pounds, 18 to 20 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, you're looking thick right now, fella. | ||
| You're looking about 180. What do you weigh? | ||
| 70. Cut the shit. | ||
| I'm 170. I'll bring a fucking scale out here right now. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Look how thick you are. | ||
| You look like a gorilla. | ||
| I'm just trying to be like you, Joe. | ||
| When you weighed 145, man, how vicious was that cut for you? | ||
| It was pretty brutal. | ||
| I mean, I walked around, you know, when I was making weight consistently and training consistently, you know, two, sometimes even three times a day, dude, I walked around like 168, 165 to 168, and I was cutting down to 45s. | ||
| And how would you do it? | ||
| How many pounds would you lose day of weighing? | ||
| Usually I would try to get down to about five the day of, and I would cut all water weight, five to six sometimes even. | ||
| So would you just really restrict your diet the week of? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'd say probably... | ||
| I mean, I ate pretty clean throughout. | ||
| About three weeks out, I really started cutting back on portion size, and then... | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| Jesus Christ, son. | ||
| Shredded. | ||
| Lean. | ||
| Shredded? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, I haven't looked like that in a while, bro. | ||
| 2014. Well, the funny thing is that's what everybody likes. | ||
| They like to see people look like that, but that shit ain't healthy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like that bodybuilder look? | ||
| Shit, yeah. | ||
| Those guys are dying. | ||
| Yeah, I would get my ass kicked if I fought right there. | ||
| Isn't it crazy, though? | ||
| Because everybody thinks, God looks amazing. | ||
| Because you can see his six-pack. | ||
| So tired, right? | ||
| See? | ||
| That's different. | ||
| That's ready to go. | ||
| That's the next day, yeah. | ||
| I'm all full of water. | ||
| I'm ready to go. | ||
| I got a full belly. | ||
| How much of a hit do you think it takes off of your ability to perform, though? | ||
| The fact that you do do that 24 hours before. | ||
| I've noticed it like I'm and I almost wish that I would do this more through training camps when I was doing it but try to do a mock cut and then try to fine-tune exactly what to eat after because even my entire career I mean I would try to have the same things that I would eat but You know, you don't always feel 100% the next day. | ||
| I don't think I ever felt 100% for any fight. | ||
| You know, you cut that much weight, you feel good, but when you get in there and it's like, I could go through 10 rounds of 10 five-minute rounds and be just relentless in training, being able to eat and be hydrated, and then you get in there, and obviously nerves play a big factor too, but, you know, three rounds, you're already like, fuck, man, I feel this, you know? | ||
| And I don't know if that's from... | ||
| Dehydrating so much, my body's just not back to full. | ||
| It has to have an effect. | ||
| Yeah, I think it does. | ||
| It has to. | ||
| It just has to. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's just not good for you. | ||
| And it's so counterproductive. | ||
| It's counterintuitive. | ||
| Like, 24 hours before, literally one of the most dangerous things in all of sports. | ||
| A cage fight. | ||
| You're going to dehydrate yourself literally to the point of death. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, my Frankie fight, I think I messed up big time. | ||
| I was using, God, I can't remember his name. | ||
| It was a dietician, which I'd never used any through any of my fights before that. | ||
| You never used any, like, Dolce or any of those guys? | ||
| I never did. | ||
| Like, I asked them for some advice here and there from time to time, but, God, I can't remember this dude. | ||
| Lockhart? | ||
| Lockhart. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And used those guys. | ||
| And it was a whole system. | ||
| And there was, like, natural diuretics that you use. | ||
| And, you know, I'd never done any of that. | ||
| And I just think it dehydrated my head too much. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I mean, if you watch the fight, Frankie, like, barely clipped my nose. | ||
| And it was just, like, lights out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I've been hit. | ||
| Fucking been hit by Aldo harder than that. | ||
| And just, like, bounced back, you know? | ||
| And it's, like, I don't know. | ||
| It's just one of those things. | ||
| Like, I never did that after. | ||
| Well, a lot of people, like, when they make a cut, like, Aldo's a good example, right? | ||
| Like, Aldo was the king at 45 forever. | ||
| Now, he's figured out how to get to 35, and he looks fucking great. | ||
| He looks great at 35, but he had to figure it out. | ||
| He had to dial it in, and he had to do it several times until he really got it down. | ||
| I think he, too, he's lost a lot of muscle mass. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I cut to 25s, you gotta do a lot of fasting, like fasted cardio, fasted workouts to where your body's basically eating your muscle. | ||
| You feel like shit when it's happening, but you're shrinking up. | ||
| And then once you get to that point where you... | ||
| Where you want to be, your body kind of adjusts and gets used to it. | ||
| Now that's your size. | ||
| Yeah, when Cam was racing, when he was running the Moab 240, I forget what the exact calorie count was, but what he did was, let's say, burned 3,000 calories, ate 2,500 calories. | ||
| And I was like, fuck. | ||
| Just hearing that made me tired. | ||
| That's what he did. | ||
| He's a beast, man. | ||
| That guy's such a beast. | ||
| He's got discipline on top of discipline. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| It's a wild thing to see. | ||
| I wish I could find that mindset that Cam has. | ||
| Like, where do you find that? | ||
| I don't think you can, but... | ||
| Well, I mean, he's sort of cultivated it over his life, you know, and he's just made it more and more focused as he's gotten older and older and gotten used to the grind, and it's become just a natural part of his life. | ||
| What's fascinating is it's self-imposed. | ||
| You know, it's very few people have that kind of discipline. | ||
| The only ones I know of like him are like him and Goggins. | ||
| And the difference between him is he has a full-time job, which is really crazy. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Full-time nine-to-five job. | ||
| And still has time to do all that other shit. | ||
| And then he'll go run a marathon. | ||
| Yeah, we'll run a marathon a day. | ||
| A day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They tell you if you run a marathon, you're supposed to take months off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'm just going to do a day. | ||
| One a day is fucking crazy, man. | ||
| I think I'd give up from the foot pain. | ||
| I see his feet going into those big races, and I'm just like, dude. | ||
| I'm doing some boxing training. | ||
| I get a blister on my toe, and I'm like, fuck, man. | ||
| Have you seen Goggins' feet? | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| There's a photo of, you know, there's these memes going around when I sat down next to Connor, when Connor had a broken leg and I was interviewing him. | ||
| It was me interviewing, like, the 9-11 Tower. | ||
| It's got me interviewing Goggins' feet. | ||
| Have you seen it, Jamie? | ||
| If you can't find it, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because Dave sent it to me, and it's just, like, it's so disgusting. | ||
| His feet are so gross. | ||
| Have you seen it? | ||
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No. | |
| I mean, I know the feet picture, but... | ||
| Here, I'll find it for you. | ||
| It's so ridiculous. | ||
| All those memes were hilarious. | ||
| They're so funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here, I'm going to send it to you, Jamie. | ||
| Yeah, the internet wins, always. | ||
| Always undefeated. | ||
| Yeah, Jamie. | ||
| But these feet, this is what happens when you run the kind of miles that Goggins runs. | ||
| I mean, they're so disgusting. | ||
| They're so destroyed. | ||
| And he keeps running on them. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like, look at that. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Look at those toes. | ||
| Dude, no. | ||
| Look at some big toes. | ||
| They look like they're about to fall off. | ||
| Yeah, well, their nails are gone. | ||
| There's no nails. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| They're cracked and destroyed. | ||
| He still has crazy long toe fingers, too, right? | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Look how long his toes are. | ||
| It's almost like he's got another toe coming out of the one you're interviewing. | ||
| But they're like fingers. | ||
| Look how long they are. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| That dude put some miles on those fucking feet, man. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he does it too. | ||
| He was doing it with some pretty serious meniscus damage. | ||
| My friend operated on him and cleaned up some of his meniscus and said his meniscus was hard like leather. | ||
| He said he's never cut through meniscus like that before. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| He's got to get a saw to cut through it. | ||
| He said he bent the knife. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, like legitimately. | ||
| Dude, that's crazy. | ||
| I mean, I guess those guys are just so mentally tough. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| He's hardening everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bones, meniscus, cartilage. | ||
| I feel a pain. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| I guess, you know, when you think about it, your body does adapt to a lot of shit. | ||
| The problem is most people never push past the pain that it takes to adapt to something like that. | ||
| I think that's key right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Did you do a lot of running when you were fighting? | ||
| I did, but I did a lot of road biking. | ||
| I liked riding, just kind of zoning out and just doing, you know, 40 miles, 50 miles. | ||
| Better on your knees too, right? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| And my lower back. | ||
| When I run, it's probably because I'm top heavy, but yeah, I noticed my lower back gets pretty sore. | ||
| Like I rained last night and it's sore today, but you know, it's just those things that the aches and pains you got to push through, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you want to talk about that thing that you might be doing? | ||
| Yeah, let's do it. | ||
| We've got a big announcement. | ||
| Push this microphone in front of you. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Like that. | ||
| So tell me, what is this announcement? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| So I just signed a big contract, bro. | ||
| I'm coming back to fighting. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| In the great words of DJ Dillashaw, daddy's home, bitches. | ||
| But I'm not coming back to MMA, man. | ||
| I know that I've been seeing a lot of people's comment and they're kind of hoping that I am. | ||
| I'm coming back to boxing, man. | ||
| I want to try something different. | ||
| Now, you coming back to regular boxing, or are you going to do bare knuckle boxing? | ||
| I think we're going to throw some bare knuckle in there, bro. | ||
| Just mix it up, get real crazy. | ||
| Now, I've seen you, you're working out a lot. | ||
| You're hitting a lot of mitts. | ||
| Like, were you doing that before, or did you just have this, did they contact you? | ||
| Like, how did this come about? | ||
| So we've, I mean, this is actually something that's kind of been in the works for probably a year now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You know, it's just... | ||
| For me, look, I just turned 36 in May, and we were just talking about still having that desire. | ||
| When I left the UFC, I was just about to have my first baby. | ||
| I had a lot on my plate. | ||
| Obviously, I had just lost, but even going into that fight... | ||
| I had started a company, was working on a few other companies, and there was a lot that I was more excited about than competing at the time. | ||
| And, I mean, obviously we know that this sport is so brutal. | ||
| Like, if you don't have a 100% mindset into it, you're going to get fucked up, you know? | ||
| For me, I was like, look, dude, I'm going to take some time off or just end it here. | ||
| I have other things going on and we'll see kind of what happens in the future. | ||
| So I decided to retire, talked it over with the wife, and that was what the game plan was. | ||
| So... | ||
| Fast forward two and a half years later, you know, obviously I still have that desire. | ||
| And obviously my baby girl is bigger now. | ||
| We are pregnant with a second. | ||
| And I just started thinking like, man, I'm getting older. | ||
| I don't want to get into my 40s and then basically still have this desire to compete and be like, it's too fucking late, you know? | ||
| So I'm like, let's start talking to some of these guys. | ||
| I've always wanted to box. | ||
| Coming off of wrestling, my style even in the UFC was boxing and wrestling were probably my two favorite things to do. | ||
| I absolutely loved boxing sparring when I would be training through training camps and then obviously wrestling too. | ||
| But I always wanted to try and compete in some type of boxing competition. | ||
| And so Bare Knuckle actually reached out to Faber and was like, hey, do you think Mendez would ever be interested in this? | ||
| And I'm like, I mean, I probably never thought about anything Bare Knuckle before, but, you know, boxing definitely would be fun. | ||
| Let me ask you this about Bare Knuckle. | ||
| Why do they have those, like, really thick wraps that go all around the hand but just expose the knuckle? | ||
| And it's not mandatory on anybody. | ||
| Like, I see some guys where they just tape their hand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think a lot of people do that for wrist support. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, you know, obviously you punch like a bag with no support in your wrist and a lot of the times it folds. | ||
| But didn't Joe Riggs get his eye cut because of one of the, when he fought Lombard, didn't the wrap actually scrape his eye? | ||
| I heard that, yeah. | ||
| And it's, you know, I think that this is an organization that's still very brand new and they're probably still working all these kinks out, but... | ||
| I mean, I'm probably going to tape the shit out of my wrist just for the reason of support. | ||
| But yeah, I think that's something that's, you know, it's definitely a possibility of getting cut on that stuff. | ||
| Do you know when you're fighting? | ||
| October 22nd. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| It's coming up. | ||
| October 22nd. | ||
| Do you have an opponent? | ||
| No opponent yet, but it's Chandler, Arizona is what they're saying. | ||
| What weight? | ||
| 155s. | ||
| Okay, so you're not going to have to cut. | ||
| No, that's what I told them. | ||
| I said, look, dude, we had just talked about, I don't want to cut much anymore. | ||
| Obviously, I'm getting older. | ||
| It's harder. | ||
| It's going to be hard as hell to make 45s. | ||
| But if I can go 55s, I would greatly appreciate that. | ||
| And they're like, no, that's actually better. | ||
| You're going to have more opponents to choose from. | ||
| So I think that's what we're going to do. | ||
| How many rounds? | ||
| They're five. | ||
| Five two-minute rounds, which I think is... | ||
| Why are they doing two-minute rounds? | ||
| I'm not sure exactly what their thought process is on that, but I love that. | ||
| I'm an explosive athlete, obviously. | ||
| I'm pretty much built for this style of fighting. | ||
| I can get in there, I can be fast, explosive, quick, powerful, and it's a quick round. | ||
| I don't have to pace myself, grind out those five-minute rounds. | ||
| I can just get in there and knock someone's head off and be good. | ||
| That's gonna be a big difference for you, right? | ||
| Going from five-minute rounds to two-minute rounds? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Dude, I've been hitting mitts for two-minute rounds, and I'm like, I feel like I just started. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| It feels great. | ||
| Are you training two minutes, or are you doing longer so that you feel like two minutes is nothing? | ||
| We're going to mix both in. | ||
| And my thought process on that is, even when I was training for five minute rounds, we do five minute rounds. | ||
| We would do more of them, but I want my body, my mind, to get used to exactly what it's going to feel like. | ||
| Because of that reason, like, holy shit, it's already over? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So I need to know, like, you know, basically where I'm at in the round. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I want to get used to that. | ||
| But I'm definitely going to do some longer stuff, too. | ||
| Or we'll do, you know, like ten two minute rounds. | ||
| So you're basically just... | ||
| Doing more of the exact same thing to where it's, you know, you hit those five and it's like, I could go another full fight here. | ||
| So how long did you have to think about this before you decided to do it? | ||
| Well, like I said, it's been a whole year process, kind of going back and forth. | ||
| My wife absolutely hates it. | ||
| She's like, you're fucking nuts. | ||
| She married a fighter. | ||
| I know, and that's why she's got to remember that, right? | ||
| No, man, it's definitely something we sat down and had to figure out because it is something that's pretty brutal. | ||
| My argument to her was this. | ||
| A UFC glove, maybe a quarter of an inch of leather, half inch of leather over my knuckles, the concussion's not going to be much different, if anything. | ||
| I think we're obviously dealing with a sharper object hitting you, so cuts are probably going to be a lot more prevalent, but as far as the concussion of getting hit... | ||
| I don't think it's going to be much different. | ||
| I also don't have to worry about a baseball bat head kick going whipping through and cracking me in the dome either. | ||
| Someone kicking your knees out. | ||
| There's a lot of other things in the MMA game that I think are a lot more dangerous. | ||
| You know, for me, it had to make sense, obviously. | ||
| The numbers they were throwing out in the beginning didn't make sense for me. | ||
| I have other businesses that are doing really well right now that are something that I can do for the rest of my life and not have to ever fight. | ||
| that itch to get in there competes though and I might as well do it now while I'm still in my prime and I have that opportunity because like I said when I start hitting 38 39 you know maybe these opportunities have come and gone and nobody even really cares to see me fight anymore or you know I just don't feel good enough to get in there and do it so. | ||
| It's interesting how they're going after so many former UFC fighters. | ||
| I mean, it's smart, right? | ||
| These people are already famous. | ||
| You know, they've got Paige Van Zandt, Hector Lombard. | ||
| You now, who else is over there? | ||
| I know Leonard Garcia. | ||
| Who else? | ||
| Rochelle. | ||
| She just fought Paige. | ||
| Is it Ostevich? | ||
| Rachel Ostevich. | ||
| Ostevich, yes. | ||
| Did you already say her? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No, no, no, I didn't say her. | ||
| So they're doing a smart thing where they're getting popular fighters who are known for UFC fights mostly and then just introducing the bare-knuckle world to them. | ||
| I know it's growing, right? | ||
| People are paying attention now. | ||
| They're watching a lot of fights. | ||
| Yeah, I know Forbes just did a write-up saying it's the fastest growing combat sport in the world right now. | ||
| I always thought that it was weird that you could elbow somebody in the face, you could head kick somebody with a bare shin, you can knee them in the nose with no pads, but your hands are covered with a pad. | ||
| But I used to say, like, why don't we just go bare knuckle? | ||
| Because first of all, to make grappling more realistic, like submissions, you could sink in chokes and stuff much easier. | ||
| But then I saw Chris Lieben versus, who was it, Dakota? | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Anyway, Chris Lieben's face got destroyed. | ||
| It was crazy, the cuts. | ||
| And I was like, oh, maybe bare knuckles pretty fucked. | ||
| It is, and I think that's, you know, you're going to have a lot of blood, which probably makes it pretty entertaining for a lot of people, but, yeah, cuts are definitely going to be there. | ||
| I mean, like you said, elbows, though, in the UFC, like, you throw up against the cage and elbow somebody or even off their back and you're on top dropping elbows. | ||
| I mean, those cut probably more than knuckles, I would imagine, but... | ||
| I think you get hit a lot more with punches than you do with elbows in a fight, and that's probably where more cuts would come in. | ||
| How many of these things are you gonna have? | ||
| Man, so here's the situation. | ||
| I'm still under UFC contract. | ||
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Really? | |
| I still have fights on my UFC contract. | ||
| You know, there still is a possibility that I come back and maybe I want to do one or two more UFC fights after this. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I'm going to get in there. | ||
| Is UFC giving you a green light to do this? | ||
| Is that how it works? | ||
| Yeah, uh-huh. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Which is super cool to use. | ||
| I mean, they basically could have just said, fuck you, you're not competing anymore. | ||
| Well, they kind of said, fuck you to George St. Pierre when he wanted to fight Oscar De La Hoya. | ||
| Well, that's because it's Oscar. | ||
| I know, but come on, man. | ||
| That's a great payday for George. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| And in fact, some of that stuff was in the works for me. | ||
| My name was thrown in there with Oscar. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, which would have been freaking cool just to say you get in there and box a guy like Oscar. | ||
| But yeah, they wanted nothing to do with any of that stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, for them to let you go. | ||
| Yeah, UFC and Oscar do not get along. | ||
| It's Dana and Oscar do not get along. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What is the source of that? | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| I don't know, but I always see them talking shit to each other. | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you know, why? | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But luckily, the payday I was talking about getting with them is what I'm getting in bare knuckle now. | ||
| And, you know, obviously it would have been cooler to say that I'm boxing Oscar De La Hoya, but... | ||
| Now I remember why. | ||
| Oscar De La Hoya had that MMA organization for a short period of time where he had Tito fight Chuck. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| And he was talking all kinds of shit about the UFC and talking all kinds of shit about fighter pay. | ||
| And then he's one and done in the organization. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Understandable. | ||
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That's why. | |
| They always do that though. | ||
| They always come for the UFC. When you're the UFC, it's like... | ||
| That's got to be pretty cool for the UFC. Everyone's always trying to be the UFC or trying to create these MMA organizations that are trying to be on the level of the UFC. Nobody's ever going to do that, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| I mean, I get... | ||
| If somebody was talking shit to me, I would be like, fuck you too, if I was in Dana's position, you know? | ||
| But none of these guys are ever going to touch the UFC. Well, the only one that's close is Bellator. | ||
| Bellator has some real, legit talent right now. | ||
| AJ McKee. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, dude. | ||
| The way he took out Pitbull in that last fight. | ||
| Dude, that guy is legit. | ||
| Legit. | ||
| 18-0, undefeated world champion. | ||
| You know, I mean, come on, man. | ||
| Douglas Lima, world-class. | ||
| Michael Venom Page. | ||
| They've got legit talent over there. | ||
| You know, they really do. | ||
| Garrett Mousasi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
| And I think the talent's been like that for a while now. | ||
| I mean, a lot of these guys have been there for a bit, but I guess my thing was it's, you know, you got so many people that are just like, the UFC is the NFL, you know? | ||
| And it's, you know, we'll see. | ||
| I don't know if it'll ever be as big as UFC, but I just... | ||
| It's odd that all of them have a name. | ||
| You know, like, none of them are just like... | ||
| Boxing is just boxing, right? | ||
| Kickboxing is... | ||
| I guess kickboxing is the same, because you have Glory, you had K-1, you had all these organizations, but... | ||
| It's odd that no one just says like Showtime MMA and then just has MMA on Showtime. | ||
| Like, you know, everything has to be like a Bellator, 1FC, there's always like some name. | ||
| The PFL, there's always something. | ||
| The PFL I try to follow. | ||
| The fights are great, but your fucking score system sucks. | ||
| I'm like, what are you saying? | ||
| He's got points? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| He moves up the rankings, he's got 600 for that and 35 for this. | ||
| The fuck are you doing, man? | ||
| Just have fights. | ||
| Have you seen the... | ||
| There actually was bare-knuckle MMA that just started. | ||
| And I think that's... | ||
| Was that a... | ||
| God, who was it? | ||
| It was a UFC fighter that started that, I thought. | ||
| I just saw... | ||
| It was a full MMA fight, though, bare-knuckle. | ||
| Or it's gonna happen. | ||
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Oh. | |
| I don't know about this at all. | ||
| No? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I haven't heard this. | ||
| Jamie? | ||
| Masvidal. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| It was Masvidal. | ||
| Is it MMA? It's not boxing? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I think it should be that way. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| People have a hard time with it because of the cuts and everything like that, and I agree with you that it's easy to cut somebody, but they think it's more barbaric, but come on, man. | ||
| Think about when the UFC came out. | ||
| Everybody... | ||
| I thought of the UFC as barbaric. | ||
| My manager was kind of going over this with me the other day, and he's like, I remember trying to get sponsors when the UFC was kind of first taken off, and a lot of these companies were just like, oh, hell no. | ||
| We can't be associated with that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now it's, you know, it's the UFC, MMA is like so accepted. | ||
| Maybe this is going to be the next thing, you know. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Yeah, maybe Masvidal has a good chance of making it happen. | ||
| I've said for a long time they should have it on a football field. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, no more cages. | ||
| Because the cage is a big factor. | ||
| It's a big factor in the fight. | ||
| I mean, if you can have basketball and you have it on this big-ass court, how come you can't have a fight on a big-ass court? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just pad the shit out of it, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Make it so that there's an area where you can't pass, you know? | ||
| And you just chase each other down and beat the shit out of each other. | ||
| Yeah, don't let anybody run away. | ||
| You can't just run away. | ||
| You lose points for running away. | ||
| But lateral movement's good. | ||
| Footwork is good. | ||
| Basically, there's no walls in here. | ||
| So it's like you're just out in the open fighting. | ||
| Because think about like takedowns. | ||
| Takedowns occur so often up against the cage, right? | ||
| I mean, it's a big part of the strategy of getting someone up against the cage is taking them down. | ||
| And then people use the cage to get back up onto their feet. | ||
| Think about how few takedowns you'd have, many less takedowns you'd have if you had no cage, and also how few people would get up. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Get up less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It'd be more realistic because the cages is a factor. | ||
| It is a factor. | ||
| I guess in a street fight, most of the time you don't have a wall to climb up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unless you're fighting in a mall. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a factor. | ||
| And the more factors you can cut out that are extraneous, I think the better. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| We might have to push that forward. | ||
| They did it in Russia, but they do everything in Russia. | ||
| Dude, I saw like a team fight. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I don't understand the rules, but it's like everybody's just going at it. | ||
| Yeah, chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One side wears red, one side wears blue, whatever, and they just beat the fuck out of each other. | ||
| I saw a three-on-one fight the other day. | ||
| It was ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, my... | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Yeah, three-on-ones. | ||
| But the problem is, the fuck... | ||
| The guy's the same size. | ||
| Like, I've seen two-on-ones where the one guy was big, But these three guys that fought this one guy, look, they're all the same size. | ||
| So this isn't even like team versus team. | ||
| It's one dude versus three. | ||
| Yeah, I just don't understand. | ||
| This guy's seen too many Jackie Chan movies. | ||
| They just bum-rushed this boy. | ||
| They threw him down and just started hammer-fisting him in the face. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look how they did it. | ||
| How could you expect to win? | ||
| It's so ridiculous. | ||
| Did that guy actually expect to go in there and say, I'm going to beat three dudes up? | ||
| The one guy just kind of held him down, and then the other two guys hammerfisted him. | ||
| Good job, bro. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks for hammerfisting the fuck out of my childhood. | ||
| Now I can't think about the seventh grade anymore. | ||
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Look at them. | |
| They're cheering. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Go! | ||
| Get more! | ||
| Man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rush is wild. | ||
| They're nuts, man. | ||
| They're willing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're willing to try. | ||
| Those fucking crazy people. | ||
| I'm not interested in that, but I am interested in removing as many factors as possible. | ||
| I like that, yeah, I do. | ||
| I mean, when I first started doing commentary in 97, people didn't have gloves, except Vitor and Tank. | ||
| And Scott Ferrozo. | ||
| Scott Ferrozo had gloves, too. | ||
| Most people had no gloves. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, when Vitor fought Trey Tellegman, Trey Tellegman was no gloves. | ||
| He's like a little bit of tape on his hands and that's it. | ||
| So basically, that was the start of the bare knuckle. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Maybe Scott Feroza didn't even have gloves back then. | ||
| See if you can find a video of Scott Feroza versus Vitor. | ||
| I'm not sure if Scott had gloves. | ||
| Dude, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, Vitor was one of the first guys that had gloves on, and he just did it to protect his hands. | ||
| And that was back when you could wear shoes, too. | ||
| A lot of guys wore shoes. | ||
| Yeah, man, I think that's my biggest fear with doing this bare knuckles, breaking my hands. | ||
| Vitor's 19. Look at that. | ||
| Pit fighting. | ||
| 19 years old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I was 19. He was 205, and that was his actual weight. | ||
| You know, because he didn't... | ||
| Look at how thick he was! | ||
| He was so thick! | ||
| This is pre-Bruce Buffer, son. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That was someone else doing the introductions. | ||
| This was the first time that I was ever at a fight. | ||
| I was doing the post-fight interviews. | ||
| And this was the one in Dothan, Alabama. | ||
| Were you just like, what the fuck? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| This was 97, and I couldn't believe I was even there. | ||
| I was like, this is so wild. | ||
| It was supposed to be in New York, but then New York banned it. | ||
| And then last minute, they had a backup plan. | ||
| Bob Meyerowitz, who owned the UFC at the time, had a bad... | ||
| Yeah, see, Scott's got gloves on, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So he had gloves on, and Vitor had gloves on, but Trey Tellegman did not have gloves on. | ||
| So they weren't mandatory. | ||
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No. | |
| The guys could do it. | ||
| So Trey had... | ||
| Or, excuse me, Scott had already won one fight, and Vitor had won one fight. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that cut-up of Zay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God, look at Vitor. | ||
| He was so fast, dude. | ||
| And everybody thought that it was... | ||
| Look at that straight left, man. | ||
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| He was so fast. | ||
| Knee on belly and just bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. | ||
| Lights out. | ||
| Well, he had legit jiu-jitsu. | ||
| He was from Carlson Gracie lineage. | ||
| And then the fastest hands you'd ever seen inside the octagon up until that point. | ||
| That's a big dude. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's fighting. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa! | ||
| You thought the fight was still going on. | ||
| And that was when Big John McCarthy was a house, too. | ||
| So you had to separate people. | ||
| Big John. | ||
| Look at Big John's a tank, too. | ||
| Oh yeah, he's a huge fella. | ||
| And back then he was powerlifting. | ||
| Ah, that's cool. | ||
| The funny thing is he would knock guys out and go, jujitsu, jujitsu. | ||
| It's like, you just used your hands, bro. | ||
| That was boxing. | ||
| But when he fought Trey Tellegman, Trey Tellegman was bare-nuggle. | ||
| You'd grab shorts back then, too. | ||
| I remember Waleed Ishmael was fighting somebody, and the dude was grabbing his shorts and giving him a full-on wedgie. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You could grab shorts. | ||
| You could literally look like, Hike him right up a dude's ass. | ||
| Like, there was a lot of crazy rules back then. | ||
| Still groin strikes too, huh? | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| Joe Son and Keith Hackney. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Keith Hackney just pounded him in the balls. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah, it was crazy days back then, man. | ||
| Crazy days. | ||
| Guys wore geese and shit, you know? | ||
| Could you imagine just having a dude sit there just uppercutting your nuts the whole time? | ||
| Is this the Trey Tellegman fight? | ||
| Yeah, see, if you watch Tellegman, he's got no gloves on. | ||
| See? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| And shoes. | ||
| He had shoes on. | ||
| Yeah, that was from a childhood car accident. | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Yeah, he had no peck. | ||
| Or some of his peck. | ||
| That was the early days of the Lion's Den. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Lion's Den was the first... | ||
| It was like Lion's Den and then Miletic fighting systems in the sort of same era. | ||
| But they were the first MMA teams. | ||
| The Lions Den had like these crazy initiation like tests that they put guys through. | ||
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Really? | |
| Basically like, you know, just like try to break you mentally. | ||
| Yeah, they were well documented like incredible like physical conditioning drills and sparring and just like try to break you. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Why don't we still have that today? | ||
| Because they're trying to preserve athletes' futures. | ||
| What do you think about guys that don't spar? | ||
| Like when you hear guys don't spar. | ||
| I think it's weird, man. | ||
| I mean, I get it. | ||
| But look at Max Holloway. | ||
| When Max Holloway fought Cater, how good did he look? | ||
| Really good. | ||
| And Josh Emmett, one of my teammates, his last fight, which was one of the best striking fights he's ever had, he did very, very light sparring movement. | ||
| How come? | ||
| I can't remember why. | ||
| Like an injury or something? | ||
| It could have been. | ||
| Or that might just be the way that he's moving. | ||
| He just doesn't want to spar hard anymore, which I get. | ||
| Especially the style of fighting that he has. | ||
| He's such a brawler. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| When me and him go light sparring, both of us get our bells rung. | ||
| Both of us are just bulls in a china shop. | ||
| Neither one of us can go real light. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| He said I didn't spar hard. | ||
| I get it because obviously most of the damage that I ever took through any of my Fights was to training camp. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Getting your bell rung multiple times or, you know, obviously that stuff adds up and it's not good. | ||
| I remember when we first got to Team Alpha Male, it was like me, Benavidez, Dillashaw, Danny Castillo, Justin Buckles. | ||
| We had all the UFC guys in there and Faber and we would just... | ||
| 16-ounce gloves, headgear, tape up, and just basically be trying to KO each other for the entire sparring session, you know? | ||
| And I remember there was guys that would get knocked out, like, you know, guys that would jump in and spar with us and, you know, would get knocked out. | ||
| I remember one of the guys went out and sat in his car. | ||
| And he sat in the driver's seat for like 20 minutes and then didn't realize, like he looked at his clock and he didn't realize he was there for that long. | ||
| Like he was basically concussed, like really bad. | ||
| Just out of it? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was just like sitting there. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's not good, man. | ||
| And so we didn't know that. | ||
| I mean, Dwayne's actually the one that kind of... | ||
| He calmed us down when he came into Team Alpha Mountain. | ||
| Like, what the hell are you guys doing? | ||
| Yeah, let's get some structure to this, you know? | ||
| And had drills and, you know, calmed us down, even in striking. | ||
| Like, let's go 30%, let's go 50%, you know? | ||
| And, you know, you still get some asshole that's in there just like, ah! | ||
| But, you know, he definitely kind of opened our eyes to the... | ||
| The preserving of the brain type sparring, you know? | ||
| And it definitely helped. | ||
| I think once we started doing that, everybody's technique got so much better. | ||
| Well, Dwayne is a master of technique. | ||
| He is one of those guys that emphasizes technique. | ||
| The technique is everything. | ||
| What's so interesting to me about Dwayne's style of teaching is it's so much different than his style of fighting. | ||
| It's like he realized something when he was done fighting. | ||
| Like, you know what? | ||
| I kind of know how to do this better. | ||
| And like the switching of stances and all the feints and the fakes. | ||
| But if you go back and watch his Muay Thai career or Dwayne's MMA career, I mean, amazing fights, but he doesn't fight like TJ. No. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| But he taught TJ a better way to fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| Like, I remember him when he was... | ||
| At Team Alpha Male, I think that was kind of the beginning of doing all that type of stuff. | ||
| And I don't know if he was just kind of like testing all this stuff out on us and then like see what would take and then be like, oh, that works. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then keep going that direction. | ||
| And if you try something that doesn't, then just kind of throw it away. | ||
| But, dude, I remember, I mean, obviously, you know, Dwayne, but caffeine, Notepad. | ||
| And that guy would just sit there. | ||
| I don't think that guy sleeps. | ||
| I mean, he'll sit there all night probably writing combos. | ||
| He's obsessed. | ||
| I love that, man. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I love that about a coach that can go and do that. | ||
| You have those very few coaches in your life that have that obsession, and you know that's something special. | ||
| And Dwayne has that. | ||
| Yeah, Mark Henry is another one of those guys. | ||
| In Jiu-Jitsu, Donaher. | ||
| Donaher is another one of those guys. | ||
| There's a few of those guys that have that absolute obsession with watching guys improve and figuring out what's the best technique. | ||
| And also, Mark Henry's amazing because he develops combinations specific to each individual fighter and then names them. | ||
| Based on like their kids or their friends or where they grew up or, you know, for you it'd probably be like the archery elk cunt or something. | ||
| He would yell out some weird thing where nobody else would understand what the fuck you were saying and you would know what to do. | ||
| And he would change it with every camp. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's super cool. | ||
| In the wrestling world, Sammy Henson was that guy for me. | ||
| My senior year was, I mean, Sammy took me to that next level, you know, and he was one of those guys that was obsessed, and he would, like, pull me aside. | ||
| We'd have, like, separate one-on-one type sessions, and it really does make all the difference in the world. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| Yeah, if you can find someone who's that obsessed as a coach... | ||
| I mean, I talked to Gordon Ryan about it when it comes to John Donaher, and he's like, there's no mistake. | ||
| Like, the reason why I'm so good is not just because of his... | ||
| Obviously, he's physically gifted, he's intelligent, he's super disciplined, super dedicated, but also he said John Donaher is like a cheat code. | ||
| He's like, I have this crazy obsessed jujitsu coach who coaches seven days a week, 365 days a year, doesn't take any days off ever, has no family, has no girlfriend, and then when he's done coaching, watches fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's special. | ||
| Try finding one of those guys. | ||
| That's fucking special. | ||
| Also, a genius who was a professor at Columbia. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Taught philosophy. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Try finding one of those guys. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| They don't exist. | ||
| There's one. | ||
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| You know, and, you know. | ||
| And he's actually moving here. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Which is very exciting. | ||
| Oh, no way. | ||
| Yeah, he's moving to Austin. | ||
| You're going to be all over that. | ||
| Oh, man, I can't wait. | ||
| I can't wait to pick his brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just even for my commentary game, I would for sure want to learn jujitsu from him, but just my commentary game will improve in leaps and bounds just talking to him. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| But, you know, how many of those guys exist? | ||
| There's a few of those guys in kickboxing, of course. | ||
| You've got Dwayne. | ||
| You've got Trevor Whitman. | ||
| Trevor Whitman is a spectacular coach. | ||
| You've got some amazing coaches out there, without a doubt. | ||
| But to find ones that are just maniacally obsessed, it's so rare. | ||
| Man, I miss training with Dwayne. | ||
| That whole situation with Faber, obviously... | ||
| Very upsetting. | ||
| Yeah, it is, man. | ||
| I stayed out of the middle of it. | ||
| I have a ton of respect for Faber and I have a ton of respect for Dwayne. | ||
| As do I. I love both of those guys. | ||
| It sucked. | ||
| I talked to Dwayne about it and I talked to Faber about it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I can't do anything. | ||
| I don't know them well enough to get in the middle of it and arbitrate, but I feel like the improvement that everybody was making under Dwayne was tangible. | ||
| It was noticeable. | ||
| It's like he came along and then all of a sudden everybody had this footwork, they're moving good, their striking combinations seem to be improving. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| TJ, for sure, was the most... | ||
| He benefited the most from it. | ||
| He took to it probably the best, for sure. | ||
| Like a duck to water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It worked perfect for TJ. His style of wrestling, his body style, and his ability to... | ||
| I mean, TJ's one of those guys that gets obsessed, too. | ||
| And him and Dwayne just really meshed on that fact of notepad, writing, you know... | ||
| mapping everything out and TJ has that memory you know that kind of comes along with it where he can remember all these different crazy combos and then get out there and actually perform it like you know that takes a special athlete to be able to see that thing on paper train it and then actually hit it in a fight for sure. | ||
| The wild thing about his fight with Sanhagen was Sanhagen had him in a fucking triangle locked up and I was like man I wonder if He had some pointers on how to finish that better. | ||
| That would have been it. | ||
| Because it seemed locked the fuck in. | ||
| I mean, he went through a knee, right? | ||
| And then TJ takes him down. | ||
| And in the process of taking him down, he locks up. | ||
| Fully locked up triangle early in the fight. | ||
| And I was like, man, I feel like he's got this. | ||
| I was like, I thought TJ was going to tap. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, that dude's a beast. | ||
| I was worried for TJ going into that fight. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| A lot of people are like, oh, I think TJ's going to go in there and just destroy him. | ||
| I'm like, ugh. | ||
| I love TJ, but... | ||
| I mean, the only guy who's ever really destroyed him was Aljo. | ||
| And Aljo took him down and choked him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Aljamain's got some fucking nasty jujitsu. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No, I definitely knew this was going to be a tough fight, and it was a tough fight coming off of that long, you know? | ||
| And, like, TJ's not getting a tune-up fight. | ||
| Like, this is going to make or break, like, show everyone TJ's back, or TJ's going to have to fight a couple times and get back, but... | ||
| It's as close to a decision as you're ever going to see, too. | ||
| I mean, like, you can make an argument that Sanhagen did more damage, and you can make an argument that Dillshaw controlled him more. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I'm a damaged guy. | ||
| I lean towards damage always. | ||
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But, close ass fucking fight. | |
| It was. | ||
| Close ass fight. | ||
| I guarantee they're gonna run it back. | ||
| Oh, they have to. | ||
| We're gonna see that at least one more time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, unfortunately with TJ's surgery, I mean he has like several major tears in that knee. | ||
| You really never know what a guy's like once you get your knee mangled like that because the pain Like, it might inhibit training, it might become a problem, you know, it's so hard to say. | ||
| On TJ's post, he said it happened at this part right here, where his knee gets all twisted. | ||
| Yeah, heel hook right there. | ||
| That's the heel hook. | ||
| So he was yanking on that heel hook. | ||
| You could see it. | ||
| I mean, go back. | ||
| And by the way, that is the worst kind of heel hook, the inside heel hook right there. | ||
| That's so nasty. | ||
| So TJ just didn't tap, and he just tore his shit apart. | ||
| Yeah, you can see it there. | ||
| See him keeping his weight off it there for a second. | ||
| Here he falls, too, in the second round. | ||
| It's just, well, I'm sure because his knee was fucking mangled already. | ||
| Look at him stepping on it funny. | ||
| Yeah, he's walking odd. | ||
| I guess I didn't notice that before, but... | ||
| Yeah, he played it off well. | ||
| He really did a good job playing it off and gutting it out because he was obviously in some serious pain. | ||
| Yeah, right there he got clipped. | ||
| But part of getting dropped there was because he had no balance on that left leg. | ||
| It was very wobbly, you know? | ||
| Have you had any surgeries on your knees? | ||
| No, thankfully. | ||
| I've torn both MCLs through wrestling, but they were partial tears and it was basically through wrestling season. | ||
| I just had to wear a brace and do a lot of swimming. | ||
| It was actually, I think it was the first year I was an All-American, I tore it like... | ||
| A couple weeks or a few weeks before Pac-10s and just swam every workout up to Pac-10s and then I just taped it up, went in there and I ended up winning Pac-10s. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then ended up getting sixth. | ||
| Did you ever get surgery on it after that? | ||
| No, it was one of those things you just got to let heal up. | ||
| They said unless it's a complete tear, you just basically let it heal. | ||
| Hey, one thing I wanted to talk to you about is... | ||
| You got on a carnivore diet and it really cured up your psoriasis. | ||
| How long have you had psoriasis for? | ||
| My whole life. | ||
| I mean, I remember as a kid, you know, it started on my shins. | ||
| And it was just a small little patch. | ||
| And I think as a kid, I even thought it was just a ringworm from wrestling, you know. | ||
| But it just never went away. | ||
| And then just over the years, kind of slowly spread, got bigger. | ||
| So it's basically from knee to ankle on both shins. | ||
| And then, you know, as I started getting older, it started showing up in different spots. | ||
| I got on my elbows, my scalp. | ||
| Ears, little patches on my body cavity. | ||
| And what was your diet like then? | ||
| Just, I mean, I'd like to say pretty much I eat clean, you know, but I mean, you know, I'd still, every once in a while, eat some, like, fast food or, you know, if I go to somebody's house and they're making stuff, I eat whatever they eat, but... | ||
| Um, you know, for the most part I thought I was pretty clean until I got on this diet and then I really figure out like how bad I was eating. | ||
| Like the amount of sugar I think is key. | ||
| Like I got on this diet and I did it, I started March. | ||
| I started March 1 and I did it for the last four months. | ||
| Or four months into that. | ||
| But basically sugar, I noticed, was probably the worst thing for it. | ||
| Did you notice this because you added it in occasionally and you would see a difference? | ||
| No, I just was, you know, my psoriasis over the years has just gotten worse and worse and worse until my buddy was basically telling me about this diet. | ||
| We started basically the American Almond Beef, my beef company, and I was like, well, I have all the beef at my fingertips here. | ||
| I have all this wild game... | ||
| That I can live off of. | ||
| The meat part of it's not going to be an issue. | ||
| It's basically me just making my mind up and being like, just do this. | ||
| And so it's always been something when I was fighting, like, ah, just because I've known about it. | ||
| People have told me about it. | ||
| Like, I think it'll really help your psoriasis. | ||
| You should try it. | ||
| But I'm like, I can't. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Cut out carbs. | ||
| Like, I need carbs for training. | ||
| Like, I'm an explosive athlete. | ||
| So that was always my mindset, you know? | ||
| So I never did it. | ||
| And then finally, I was just like, you know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I'm going to try it. | ||
| I'm going to do it for a month. | ||
| And if I don't see any improvements, I'll just kind of go back to normal. | ||
| If I do see improvements, I'm going to continue doing it maybe for like two or three months and see what it looks like. | ||
| Basically check back in and go from there. | ||
| Dude, within like a week... | ||
| My psoriasis was already night and day on my leg. | ||
| That was the before and after picture. | ||
| I think it was maybe a week or even two weeks. | ||
| On your Instagram you posted? | ||
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| And it was just like, my psoriasis was, that was right after a hunt that I had gone on, and the lack of sleep really flares it up, which I, obviously on hunts, I'm eating bad in camp, whatever we're making. | ||
| You know, I'm getting like four hours of sleep at night, and I'm usually living off of a lot of caffeine. | ||
| Those three things definitely flared up pretty bad. | ||
| And so that first picture was, like, extreme. | ||
| And then the picture next to it was on that diet for, I think it was a week. | ||
| Maybe it could have been two weeks. | ||
| I'll have to look back and see. | ||
| But, dude, it was already so much better. | ||
| I'm like, well, shit, I'm going to keep doing this and just see. | ||
| So I kept doing it. | ||
| And, you know, I don't know. | ||
| It was probably... | ||
| Three months in, I'm just like, it's almost gone. | ||
| And ideally, I think it would be completely gone if I cut out caffeine, which they talk about you probably won't need caffeine after a couple months. | ||
| Your energy levels will be better, which they were. | ||
| I just really fucking enjoy getting all cracked out and getting a bunch of shit done. | ||
| I do love coffee. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then alcohol. | ||
| I'm not probably ever going to just quit alcohol. | ||
| Every once in a while I like to go have some wine with some buddies or go have some drinks. | ||
| I'm a tequila guy. | ||
| I'll sip some tequila. | ||
| As long as you're doing it in moderation, it seems to be okay. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I've just kind of been sticking to it. | ||
| I talked to Sean and Paul. | ||
| I've talked to both of those guys. | ||
| You're talking about Dr. Sean Baker and Paul Saladino. | ||
| Sorry, sorry. | ||
| Both those guys are doctors and they're also proponents of the carnivore diet. | ||
| And basically the idea was do this for three months and then start adding things back in and just figure out what foods flared up. | ||
| Well, Paul is a proponent of honey and some fruits. | ||
| And I think when I'm doing it, I do it on and off. | ||
| And when I'm doing it, I always have fruit before I exercise. | ||
| That's what I like to do. | ||
| I just eat like apples or something before I exercise because I need the fast sugar and I know I'm going to burn it off anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I really do feel better when I'm just eating just mostly meat. | ||
| I mean, I don't mind salads. | ||
| Salads are good. | ||
| Salads don't seem to have an effect on me, but man, the thing that has an effect on me is pasta and dessert. | ||
| Those are the big ones. | ||
| I feel like shit when I eat a lot of pasta, and I'm a fucking glutton, and I just keep doing it. | ||
| I keep them so dumb. | ||
| I'm so dumb. | ||
| I know I always feel terrible, but while I'm eating it, it feels so good. | ||
| Yeah, so good, man. | ||
| I'm the same. | ||
| I've been doing fruits, pretty much most vegetables, like your nightshades. | ||
| Tomatoes and pepper, I notice. | ||
| We'll start getting it flared up a bit. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I've started putting a little bit of potatoes back in here and there, and it doesn't seem too bad yet. | ||
| What about sweet potatoes? | ||
| Sweet potatoes are okay, but mainly just fruits, vegetables. | ||
| I've been doing honey. | ||
| Even mixing in some whole oats here and there. | ||
| Paul was like... | ||
| Against that he's like I probably wouldn't do that, but I just wanted to see and it doesn't seem to be flaring it up too bad So what I do notice is sugars though like if I have any just processed sugars, you know, you're anything like your processed breads I haven't been doing any wheat like any breads pretty much at all And I have a little bit of white rice here and there and that seems to be fine. | ||
| So but for the most part, it's Mostly meat diet. | ||
| Yeah Now, when you're training, have you adjusted it at all during training? | ||
| I had to do that, man. | ||
| I did notice, not that I felt bad, I just feel better. | ||
| And I'm guessing it's because I'm more of an explosive athlete maybe, but I feel better when I have more carbohydrates in there. | ||
| Obviously, lots of fruits for your sugars, but that's where I started implementing a little bit of the whole oats and the white rice, too. | ||
| White rice is like a post-workout, but Mainly, for me, the diet is for my psoriasis. | ||
| So, you know, if I can eat that stuff and it doesn't flare it up, I'm going to do it. | ||
| Because it doesn't make me feel bad. | ||
| What about just something bland, like plain rice? | ||
| Does that fuck with you at all? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| So maybe that's a good option for carbohydrates. | ||
| I know a lot of, like I talked to Robert Oberst. | ||
| I had him on the podcast. | ||
| You know who he is? | ||
| One of the world's strongest men. | ||
| Literal giant. | ||
| His head is as big as both of us together. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| He's a funny dude, too. | ||
| Really hilarious. | ||
| But mostly what he's eating is meat and rice. | ||
| You know, and he's like, it's just easy to digest, simple. | ||
| You know, so a lot of folks have a problem with bread. | ||
| Like bread and pastas, and it's just, for a lot of people, that seems to be the thing that fucks them. | ||
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| Yeah, but rice, I would think, is a pretty easy, especially white rice, pretty easy thing to digest. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so far, I haven't had any issues. | ||
| I eat it, and I'm like waiting for my psoriasis to just start itching, you know, and it doesn't. | ||
| I've also heard people say that like things you eat can, it's like a delayed effect, you know, up to 30 days or something like that for your psoriasis to like really get affected by it. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who are these people? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I've read so many different things. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know who to believe. | ||
| I'm just basically testing shit out on my own. | ||
| And right now it seems that that stuff's fine. | ||
| That's what an elimination diet is all about, right? | ||
| You know, you just get it down to a very simple, simple, simple diet and then add back mushrooms, add back, you know, fruits. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting, but the reality of human bodies is that everybody's body is different. | ||
| And some people can thrive off nuts and berries and vegetables, and that's like the best diet for them. | ||
| And you've got to find out what's the best diet for you. | ||
| It really is what it is. | ||
| Yeah, people always ask me, like, hey, can you send me your diet? | ||
| And I'm like, bottom line, what you just said, everybody's different, man. | ||
| Like, what works for me isn't necessarily going to work for you. | ||
| You've got to figure that stuff out. | ||
| But I can give you kind of a guideline, you know? | ||
| That is, it's really the case. | ||
| Everybody has a different body, and everybody's body responds differently to foods. | ||
| And obviously, allergies and things, too. | ||
| There's a lot of people that have allergies that they're not even aware of. | ||
| You know, like, who was it? | ||
| Was it Jessica? | ||
| I believe just found out that she was allergic to eggs. | ||
| And it was, like, one of the main focuses of her diet. | ||
| Like, she was eating eggs constantly, and she was fucking allergic to it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So what would it, like, cause? | ||
| Well, it just makes people feel like shit. | ||
| It's just your body doesn't like it. | ||
| It just makes you sluggish. | ||
| You know, you're having a hard time digesting things, you know. | ||
| I eat the shit out of eggs, man. | ||
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I love eggs. | |
| I should probably go do another one of those, like, food allergy tests. | ||
| I did one years ago. | ||
| And at the time, I think, like, amaranth and... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| How can I know? | ||
| What is amaranth? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So that's your allergic to it? | ||
| Yeah, that was probably... | ||
| Seems easy to avoid. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What the fuck is it? | ||
| Amaranth. | ||
| What is amaranth, Jamie? | ||
| I think it's a grain, maybe? | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| It is a grain, yeah. | ||
| What kind of grain? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've seen it very rarely on, like, brands. | ||
| Whoa, look at that thing. | ||
| Meet this grain. | ||
| Amaranth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, it's really a seed, like quinoa. | ||
| Tiny seeds about the size of- I could avoid the fuck out of that. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| It was super easy to avoid. | ||
| You could keep that shit, whatever that is. | ||
| I have a hard time avoiding fruits. | ||
| I love fruit, man. | ||
| I love like a nice fresh orange or apples or something like that. | ||
| I really enjoy that. | ||
| I did the full carnivore diet one month and I felt fantastic and that was nothing but meat. | ||
| It was ribeye steaks, elk meat, and bacon. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I did the exact same thing. | ||
| And eggs, too. | ||
| And eggs, yeah. | ||
| What is... | ||
| They say it's... | ||
| So basically, it's... | ||
| What was it? | ||
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Meds? | |
| Meat, eggs, dairy, seafood. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of what they say is okay for that. | ||
| But yeah, I did it all of March and all of April. | ||
| Just the full... | ||
| Because I basically... | ||
| You're one of the people that kind of made me, like, lit the fire under my ass. | ||
| Like, let's just do this for this rice. | ||
| I want to see. | ||
| Because I saw your results. | ||
| And I was like, fuck it, I'm going to try it. | ||
| It's just hard because I like food so much. | ||
| That's the only thing that's hard. | ||
| I mean, I really do love going out to eat. | ||
| And I really fucking love pasta. | ||
| But other than that, man, I'm telling you, I felt better. | ||
| I felt like I had an extra gear. | ||
| But it did slow me down with, like, when I was doing rounds on the bag, I would notice that I was kind of gassing a little quicker. | ||
| That's what I felt, too. | ||
| And I felt my overall... | ||
| Well-being felt good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I felt like when we're here doing this, I feel energetic. | ||
| I feel great. | ||
| But that's why I started implementing a little bit more carbohydrates because same thing, like I was hitting mitts and it's not that I felt bad, but I did feel like my explosive cardio almost would like kind of dwindle a bit. | ||
| And then when I started adding in a little bit of the white rice and the grains and more fruit, I came right back. | ||
| Do you know who Zach Bitter is? | ||
| Zach Bitter holds the world record for running 100 miles. | ||
| He ran 100 miles in, I think it was 11 hours and 40 minutes. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| He's a fucking savage. | ||
| And all he eats is meat. | ||
| But when he goes to do a run, he'll take glucose gels, and he ramps up his glucose and his carbohydrates for performance. | ||
| But he's a big proponent of a carnivore diet, which is really interesting. | ||
| Because, you know, you think like carnivore, you think like big fucking, like Sean Baker's a gorilla. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Giant fucking dude. | ||
| But that is not Zach. | ||
| Zach is, you know, he looks like a marathon runner. | ||
| I mean, he's an ultra runner. | ||
| And mostly eats meat. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| He actually does a podcast with Sean Baker. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm going to have to look that up. | ||
| Yeah, that stuff interests me. | ||
| Those long endurance athletes, you know, being an explosive athlete and then someone that's basically relying on, I guess those guys do rely a lot on fat and that's kind of what the carnivore diet, your main source of energy is Should be fat now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're basically making the switch from glycogen, from the carbohydrates to fat. | ||
| And the first couple weeks of that, I felt like shit. | ||
| I think they call it like the keto flu or something like that, where you're just like, my brain's foggy, I'm just tired, I don't have any motivation, no energy. | ||
| And then when your body kind of makes that transition, I felt so much better. | ||
| I think you can move that along quicker with exogenous ketones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you take ketones. | ||
| There's a bunch of ketone supplements and different things you could take. | ||
| I should have done that. | ||
| Ramp up your ketones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've done the keto diet too, but I just get bored. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| Diets suck. | ||
| I hate them. | ||
| Yeah, but listen, you know, I had this woman on yesterday who escaped from North Korea and is one of the most difficult podcasts I've ever done. | ||
| It was really intense. | ||
| And... | ||
| It was listening to her talk about starving most of her life until she escaped. | ||
| You know, us sitting here talking about diet sucking. | ||
| We're assholes. | ||
| It's just such a privilege to be like, oh, I like eating everything. | ||
| Why do I have to only eat meat? | ||
| If she could only eat meat, you know how happy she would have been? | ||
| She would have dreams about just eating piles of eggs. | ||
| You know, really crazy, crazy story. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Yeah, we're assholes for sure. | ||
| Well, it's just, you know, you know what you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I'm going to have to listen. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It was hard to listen to. | ||
| Oh, I bet. | ||
| It was, you know, having this conversation with her and trying to imagine that there's a place right now on the other side of the world where people are living under the thumb of a brutal dictator and You know they're starving to death literally like most of the men are 4 foot 10 because they're just they have no nutrition They're starving and she's so tiny. | ||
| I mean she's like literally one of the most frail women I've ever met in my life because she was starving her whole life like when you shake her hand It's like you feel like they're her like bones crack like she's made out of glass, you know, like she's so small She's 80 pounds That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and she's eating whatever she wants now, but this is just because of her life, you know, starving all of her life. | ||
| It's one of the craziest podcasts I've ever done. | ||
| I'm gonna listen to it, yeah. | ||
| Heavy, man. | ||
| Just really fucking heavy. | ||
| Like, they survived off, like, bugs. | ||
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Really? | |
| That was mostly what they ate. | ||
| Grasshoppers is where they got their protein from. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I would imagine, like, hunting... | ||
| I mean, they probably don't have the energy to do much of anything, honestly, huh? | ||
| She was saying that little kids would catch rats that were eating dead bodies, and they would eat the rats. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| They were just so starving that when they caught a rat, they would cook it and eat it, and then they'd get sick and die, and then rats wind up eating them. | ||
| It was horrific, man. | ||
| And that's happening right now in North Korea. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's beyond fucked. | ||
| Yeah, I feel horrible for talking about... | ||
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I gotta fucking only eat ribeyes. | |
| This sucks. | ||
| Do you eat any organs? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Basically, I keep all the livers from all the animals I kill. | ||
| What about heart? | ||
| And heart, too. | ||
| I really enjoy heart. | ||
| Liver... | ||
| It's not necessarily my favorite. | ||
| I eat it because I know it's good for me. | ||
| Liver and onions is good. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I haven't tried that for a long time and I probably should do that. | ||
| I wonder if onions would fuck with your diet though. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, only one way to find out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would do it. | ||
| Sauteed onions are so delicious, man. | ||
| Some grass-fed butter. | ||
| Yeah, I eat the liver as well. | ||
| I'm a big fan of elk liver. | ||
| You know, I was reading about these Comanches that would take... | ||
| I want to do this one day. | ||
| They would hunt buffalo, and when they would kill a buffalo, they would cut the liver out and then eat it raw and squirt bile on it from the gallbladder. | ||
| Really? | ||
| They would take the gallbladder and squirt bile on the raw liver and that's how they would eat it. | ||
| They would season it with gallbladder. | ||
| Do you know what the meaning or why they would? | ||
| Salty, I guess. | ||
| I guess the gallbladder is salty. | ||
| The bile from the gallbladder is salty. | ||
| I mean, that has got to be a fucking strong flavor. | ||
| I would imagine it's super tangy. | ||
| I feel like I should have a doctor on standby. | ||
| But if I ever hunt a buffalo, I'm going to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| I ended up getting one. | ||
| Was that two years ago now? | ||
| I wish I would have known that. | ||
| I would have tried it. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Where at? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Central California, actually. | ||
| There was a mountain range out there that it's a 30,000-acre piece of property that this guy basically introduced a bull and four cows to 30 years ago and just put them in there. | ||
| Basically, he wanted his family to be able to hunt them eventually. | ||
| And over the 30 years, they've kind of just reproduced and they've separated into a bunch of different herds. | ||
| And all the surrounding ranches, the bison are starting to go in there and compete with cattle and their food and everything. | ||
| So these guys are getting pissed. | ||
| So that year was the first year that they... | ||
| Basically opened it up to hunting. | ||
| Like, we need to take a certain amount of bulls and cows off of this property because they're starting to expand off our 30,000 acres. | ||
| And so I ended up going out there and smacked them with my bow and had a bunch of buddies there with me. | ||
| We all broke it down and basically lived out that. | ||
| Not a lot of genetic diversity. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| If you have one bull and four cows... | ||
| Maybe it was a couple bulls. | ||
| I know it was a small group that he just put in there and just let go. | ||
| They had a hunt in Yellowstone this year. | ||
| This is one of the first years because they have so many bulls in Yellowstone that they had to hunt. | ||
| But what was interesting is the requirements. | ||
| One of the requirements is no ATVs, no horseback. | ||
| I saw that email. | ||
| It was like a full list of requirements. | ||
| So, bro, you're going to get a bunch of studs to help you carry out quarters. | ||
| What if you shoot one 15 miles in? | ||
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Dude, that's a big fucking animal, son. | |
| There's a picture of me holding one of the back straps. | ||
| It's taller than me. | ||
| They're huge. | ||
| Such a massive, massive animal. | ||
| I've never hunted one, but I did take my kids to Yellowstone, and we were in this one area where you could take photographs of them. | ||
| And we're behind this, like, area where if they wanted to, they could just fucking run you over. | ||
| And I was like, you know, I think my daughters were eight and six at the time, or nine, maybe nine and seven at the time, so I was like, fucking... | ||
| Super helicopter dad, like the moment these motherfuckers flinch, I'm grabbing these kids like two footballs and making a run for the truck. | ||
| Because I know they smash people every year. | ||
| Oh yeah, you see videos of a kid just getting tossed. | ||
| I know, that was a little kid. | ||
| Yeah, little fucking kid. | ||
| She landed on her feet, luckily. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And she was okay, but... | ||
| People don't realize, like, those things are dangerous, man. | ||
| They're fucking dangerous. | ||
| They look like they're slow and just kind of lethargic, but... | ||
| They run 30 miles an hour. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And they'll knock your fucking car into oblivion with their head. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, it's crazy. | ||
| It happens every year out there. | ||
| Insane, insanely powerful animal and so fucking delicious. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, it's so rich in protein. | ||
| So good for you, too. | ||
| Moose, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've gotten a moose, huh? | ||
| Yeah, I got one moose once. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I drew an Alaska tag a few years back. | ||
| I went with my buddy Pat up there. | ||
| And we were like 150 miles upriver on his little skiff boat. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And ended up killing like a 63-inch just giant. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Me and him. | ||
| It took us like over 10 hours to get this thing all cut up. | ||
| For folks who don't understand what that means, it's the size of the antlers, where they take a tape and they measure it, and 63 inches is fucking huge. | ||
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It's huge. | |
| Like, I could lay in it. | ||
| That's like this table. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like the antlers are the size of this table. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And the funny thing is, so he's an Alaskan resident, and he's the one that told me to put in for the tag, and he's like, you'll probably take, you know, maybe draw it in like 10 years. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| First year, drew it. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That's crazy luck. | ||
| Oh, it's so lucky. | ||
| And me and him went up here, but they considered it a trophy tag. | ||
| So it has to be at least 50 inches wide, or the bull has to have at least four points on its front brow time. | ||
| And so he's never trophy hunted. | ||
| They kill the first yearling that they see, and that's what they live off for the year. | ||
| And so we come around the corner, and this bull just stands up. | ||
| And it's huge, you know, and both of us are just standing there looking at it, 50 yards. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, do you think that's 50 inches? | ||
| Like, I've never seen a bull moose this close. | ||
| And he's like, ah, man, I think so. | ||
| But it could be like 49. I don't know. | ||
| And so we're just sitting there for like, it seemed like 10 minutes just trying to like decide. | ||
| And it only had three and two on the front brow tine, so that's out. | ||
| So it's got to be at least 50 inches. | ||
| And if you, I mean, if you're a half an inch off, like- You're fucked. | ||
| You're fucked, yeah. | ||
| They'll take your animal from you. | ||
| You're getting fined, you're losing your hunting license. | ||
| And so we're just sitting there for a while, and he's just staring at us. | ||
| And then finally he turns, and you get that back view, and we're both just like, dude, that's gotta be over 50. And so I ended up getting him, and we walked over there, and it's 63 inches. | ||
| Was this a bow hunt or a rifle hunt? | ||
| Rifle hunt. | ||
| I definitely could have gotten him with a bow. | ||
| We were like 50 yards from him, just standing there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's a big fucking animal. | ||
| Dude, it's so huge. | ||
| And then the grizzly came into camp that night, and... | ||
| Mangled a bunch of the meat that was hanging up. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| The big chunk of neck. | ||
| Did you hear it? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That's the scary thing. | ||
| We're sleeping on the boat. | ||
| It's got like a little cab built on it with like two cots. | ||
| Did you put the meat in a tree? | ||
| Well, we had, like, a hang station. | ||
| Fucking, you see how big those legs are, dude? | ||
| It would, like, take everything for us to get that leg that high off the ground, you know? | ||
| And we're trying to, like, tie it up there. | ||
| But, you know, everything's pretty low. | ||
| And the chunk of neck was probably this big around. | ||
| And it grabbed that. | ||
| Picked it up. | ||
| Didn't even drag it. | ||
| Carried it into the woods about 40 yards and set it down and dug a big hole. | ||
| Took a big shit next to it. | ||
| And then I don't know if we woke up and it hurt us and it took off because it never buried it. | ||
| Never got it in the hole. | ||
| But we woke up and like a bunch of the meat was kind of mangled like some of the hindquarters and stuff. | ||
| And we're like, dude, screw this. | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
| So we just loaded everything up. | ||
| Do you listen to the meat-eater podcast? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I did that with Brunella, dude. | ||
| Those guys are awesome. | ||
| Oh, you did Meat Eater? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you do the podcast or did you hunt with him? | ||
| The podcast. | ||
| I want to hunt with those guys. | ||
| I've hunted with him a few times. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I've watched it. | ||
| They had an incredible episode of the podcast. | ||
| We were talking about an elk hunt they had on a Fognac Island. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know that story where they got attacked by a bear? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Where one of the guys, Dirt Myth, actually was on the bear's back as it was running down the hill. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Like he found himself because the bear comes piling through these guys and all of a sudden he's on this bear's back riding it down the hill and they're talking about a coastal Alaskan brown bear which is huge. | ||
| Like 11 feet tall. | ||
| Dude, no way. | ||
| So grizzlies, mountain lions, and sharks. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| They can all go fuck themselves. | ||
| Yeah, all of them. | ||
| I'm terrified. | ||
| Those are probably my biggest fears in life. | ||
| Have you seen a mountain lion in the wild? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I had one stalking on me in Utah. | ||
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Really? | |
| Archery hunting bulls. | ||
| Yeah, I was sitting there. | ||
| I was filming for a hunting show. | ||
| There's a tree line right in front of us, and it's a big sage flat. | ||
| And basically the bulls would come out of the tree line and they'd cross that sage flat. | ||
| And so we were going to try to cut them off, you know, and get in position. | ||
| And we're sitting there and my camera guy's like, dude, what the hell is that? | ||
| And we all turned around and there was a mama and four younger ones just, I don't know, 100 yards behind us. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And as soon as they saw us look, they like hunkered down. | ||
| Like they were coming in on us. | ||
| And as soon as we looked, obviously they like turned around and like snuck back down. | ||
| And there was a big canyon. | ||
| They went back down into it. | ||
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But... | |
| Dude, if we wouldn't have seen, they probably would have came right up on us. | ||
| When we were elk hunting two years ago, Dudley had one 20 yards away from him. | ||
| They were both stalking the same elk. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you know, Dudley is a fucking ninja, right? | ||
| So he's like super slow, moving quiet, and he looks over and 20 yards away from him is a fucking mountain lion. | ||
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It's like, what the hell? | |
| But you know in Texas you just shoot them like in Texas they have they're not protected at all It's just like a coyote. | ||
| Yeah, they're like get rid of it, but in in California you can't do anything You can't even go out of state legally hunt one and bring it back, right? | ||
| Yeah, right But in Utah you can hunt them you can hunt them, but you have to have a tag It's very difficult to get mm-hmm. | ||
| It's not it's not easy Yeah, I had a buddy, my buddy Adam Greentree, gave me some mountain lion meat. | ||
| I hear it's pretty good. | ||
| I haven't eaten it yet. | ||
| Oh, you haven't? | ||
| Is it like some of the backstrap? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've heard multiple people. | ||
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It's very good. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a real light meat. | ||
| Almost looks like pork. | ||
| Rinella says it's superb. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That was his description of it. | ||
| He said it is superb. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| He goes, amazing. | ||
| See, I always have this weird thing about eating- Predators? | ||
| Predators. | ||
| Things that eat meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like meat, I don't know. | ||
| It's just- If you think about what they're eating, they're not like a coyote where they're just eating stuff that's been dead for weeks and it's rotting. | ||
| They basically kill and they eat it fresh. | ||
| I could be completely wrong on this, but this is what I've been told. | ||
| My buddy's a biologist. | ||
| You know, but basically as soon as it starts like rotting, they basically don't touch it much anymore. | ||
| They go killing them. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| And so they're eating the clean, fresh stuff, but still just the thought of eating something that's eating meat has always been a little strange to me. | ||
| Have you had bear? | ||
| I have, yep. | ||
| Did it weird you out? | ||
| I mean, it was years ago. | ||
| I made a lot of chili and jerky out of it, but... | ||
| Yeah, it bears definitely on that list, for sure. | ||
| What's crazy is it was one of the preferred foods of the pioneers, the people that were traveling across the country. | ||
| They loved it because it's fatty and it was soft. | ||
| You know, like one of the things about, I guess if you're just cooking things straight over fire, You would think, when you think about bears, you would think, for people listening to this, that a bear would be like a really dense, really powerful animal, like a moose or elk or something like that, but they're not. | ||
| They're soft. | ||
| They're soft-bodied, which is weird. | ||
| Like almost like gooey. | ||
| And they have a lot of fat. | ||
| Very high fat content. | ||
| And it's a delicious animal. | ||
| And they ate the shit out of them when they were traveling across the country, including a lot of Native Americans. | ||
| Like the Comanche ate a lot of bear. | ||
| It was one that I harvested in Idaho, and these bears were all eating wild plums. | ||
| There was tons of wild plum trees all over the place. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I didn't think it tasted bad at all by any means. | ||
| I would definitely do that again. | ||
| But I think it's just that mindset of, man, I'm eating something that eats meat. | ||
| But a bear is different, a black bear especially. | ||
| A lot of the times they're eating berries and grass and the fruit tree, plums or whatever. | ||
| They're opportunists. | ||
| They'll eat whatever the hell they can come across and live off of. | ||
| I think, like we have a pig ranch that I guide pig hunts on up in Northern California, and there's tons of blackberry trees, tons of mulberry trees, green pastures because they run a bunch of cattle on it, and then tons of acorns too. | ||
| So these pigs, like people, I think a lot of the times get weirded out eating wild boar, and they're just like... | ||
| I think you go a lot of these coastal places where there's drought and food's scarce. | ||
| They'll eat dead animals. | ||
| They'll even sometimes kill each other and live off of that. | ||
| I think that's when you start seeing a lot of that really bad gaminess in the pigs and then also disease coming. | ||
| But these pigs up there are phenomenal, man. | ||
| And I think it's because they're eating that delicious stuff year round and they're not having to scrounge around and trying to find any type of dead animal that they can and live off of it. | ||
| And so that's what I try to tell people all the time. | ||
| I'm sure bears are kind of the same situation. | ||
| You got a bear that's in a place where it's tons of food and they're not struggling all the time, they're probably going to taste fine. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You got a bear that's scrounging and living in a trash can. | ||
| There's not tons of other stuff. | ||
| Or that's there and they just decide that's the easiest way to eat. | ||
| They're going to go do that. | ||
| Well, bears will eat rotten meat. | ||
| And if you get a bear that's been eating rotten meat... | ||
| It's like apparently the nastiest bears are the ones who are eating rotten salmon. | ||
| Like when they're, you know, like a salmon run and there's a bunch of dead salmon and they eat the shit out of them. | ||
| Like Rinello was telling me that he borrowed a guy's smoker and he used it to cook some bear and he said the smell of fish was so bad that he told the guy, hey man, you gotta clean your smoker out. | ||
| It just stinks like fish. | ||
| And the guy said, I've never cooked a fish in there in my life. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, and he's like, really? | ||
| And he realized, like, oh my god, it's the bear. | ||
| You know, he was younger at the time. | ||
| He didn't realize it was literally the bear had eaten so much fish that its flesh smelled like rotten fish. | ||
| He said that one of the best meats he's ever had in his life was a bear that had been eating blueberries. | ||
| Yeah, I can believe that. | ||
| They say that blueberry bear is supposed to be just spectacular. | ||
| I don't think I've ever eaten one, but... | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not like that. | ||
| I've eaten bear from Alberta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was really good, but these are bears that just, you know, we're eating mostly... | ||
| It depends on what they get. | ||
| They eat a lot of fawns up there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A lot of colts, a lot of fawns, a lot of calves. | ||
| Dude, my buddy was just here in Northern California scouting up in the B zone, and there's tons of bears up there. | ||
| I don't think people realize how many bears we have here in California, but he watched a black bear come into a canyon. | ||
| He was sitting there phone scoping a buck, and there was a doe and a fawn over here, kind of lower. | ||
| And the bear comes up through the bottom of the canyon, and he looks over. | ||
| He's filming it, and the bear sticks his nose up. | ||
| And you can tell he gets wind of the deer. | ||
| The buck takes off, and so he turns over and starts filming the buck still over here. | ||
| And all of a sudden, like five minutes later, he hears that fawn screaming, and he pans over, and that bear was standing over the top of it just ripping it. | ||
| It's like crazy. | ||
| Eating it while it's alive, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it was screaming. | ||
| It's a fucked up thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's like I guess people don't realize also how big of a predator bears are on the deer population. | ||
| I guess you just think, you know, they're probably eating more, you know, smaller game things or if they find something dead. | ||
| But no, they'll hunt down and kill fawns, even does or sometimes even bucks. | ||
| Oh, I got a good story. | ||
| Dude, it was an archery story years ago when I was young. | ||
| It was me. | ||
| It was opening day. | ||
| Me and one of my team, my wrestling teammates, my dad and his dad went this way. | ||
| We go right. | ||
| We're coming up this dirt road. | ||
| And my buddy's like, hey, what's that under that tree right there? | ||
| And I'm looking and there's a bear just sitting there staring at us. | ||
| And he's laying over the top of a giant black tail buck, like big four by four. | ||
| And I'm just like, what the, and he takes off. | ||
| And so we run over there and I'm just looking at this thing and he, that bear had killed that buck, full grown buck. | ||
| Like healthy, like it was still warm, like you just killed it. | ||
| The only thing eaten off of it was the ass end was eaten off on it. | ||
| And I did not know that, I guess, black bear at that time would hunt down and kill a mature buck. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And it was crazy to come up on it and just see it, like it had just happened. | ||
| Like we probably just missed it maybe an hour, hour before that. | ||
| Weird that it could catch it, right? | ||
| Bucks are so fast and so nimble. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| But, I mean, and we were back in a spot where, unless somebody poached it, you know, but I looked up front, there was no, nothing in the guts. | ||
| Like, I was actually looking to see if somebody had done it. | ||
| If there's a wound somewhere? | ||
| Yeah, nothing. | ||
| Clean body everywhere. | ||
| Just, he had just chewed, like, one of the back hams off. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It was crazy. | ||
| So he probably stumbled upon it or something, chased it down, and got it. | ||
| Wow, that's wild. | ||
| Dudley told me he saw a moose get its back broken by a grizzly through a scope. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, he was looking at it through a spotting scope, and he saw this grizzly chasing this moose and swats it on the back and breaks its back. | ||
| No way. | ||
| He's just chasing it down, chasing it, and boom! | ||
| Snap! | ||
| The thing goes down. | ||
| That's how strong a grizzly bear is. | ||
| Yeah, and people don't realize how quick they are. | ||
| Oh my god, so fast. | ||
| We were talking about that out there. | ||
| You see one and it's like, you just think of them kind of like a big, lazy, kind of slow. | ||
| Dude, they can go. | ||
| Yeah, they're lazy until they're not. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I've seen videos of them running down deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Running them down, like, closing the distance. | ||
| A deer's, like, wide open and they're just closing the distance. | ||
| It is hard to believe. | ||
| Because when you see them just sort of lumbering along, preserving energy, you just assume. | ||
| But, you know, they're masters of preservation. | ||
| I mean, they literally sleep all through the fucking winter. | ||
| They eat so much that they can just sleep. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| It is nuts. | ||
| Just the thought of a bear going to sleep for that long and surviving in a hole. | ||
| A bear's life is just so interesting to me. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's a very interesting animal. | ||
| But the thing is, people get so attached to bears. | ||
| There's not an animal that people get more mad at you for shooting in North America than a bear. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Meanwhile, it's like, I guess people are just accustomed to people shooting deer, you know, and they see deer get hit by a car, they see deer everywhere, and it's rare that you see a bear, because bears are a little cautious being around people, but there's plenty of them, and they make a big dent on wildlife, and if you don't do something to manage them, like my friends John and Jen live up in Alberta, and where they are, like, There's bears everywhere up there. | ||
| You can't imagine how many bears there are. | ||
| And this is like really, really dense woods up there. | ||
| I see a lot of the videos of you guys up there. | ||
| It's a crazy place. | ||
| Yeah, it's really crazy. | ||
| But because of Canada and the lockdowns, they can't even get up there. | ||
| No one is allowed to hunt up there. | ||
| Most of their business was Americans coming up to Alberta to hunt. | ||
| And for the past two seasons in a row, they've had no income. | ||
| Dude, that sucks. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Are they taking care of them as far as, I mean, what are they supposed to do? | ||
| I mean, what are they doing in that situation? | ||
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The government? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think they do shit. | ||
| Nothing at all, huh? | ||
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Fuck. | |
| I mean, I can't imagine they do. | ||
| I mean, how would they, I mean, like, their business is based on customers and then tips. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So how could someone take care of them? | ||
| What is someone going to do? | ||
| How could the government supplement that? | ||
| I'm not exactly sure what they've been doing, but they're stuck. | ||
| If you come from Canada, they're great people. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| They're awesome. | ||
| I love them, too. | ||
| If you come from Canada to America and then try to go back to Canada, I think there's a 14-month quarantine. | ||
| What? | ||
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Excuse me, 14. I was like, what? | |
| I'm using words wrong. | ||
| A 14-day quarantine. | ||
| And I think also your... | ||
| I don't even think it's that easy to come across. | ||
| I think you have to have a reason. | ||
| Like, there has to be, like, some clear-cut... | ||
| It's got to be work. | ||
| Yeah, because, like, I was just reading something about the border being shut down. | ||
| So I don't know what that means. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| So, Paul Bride, who does a lot of Kuyu's photography, he's up there. | ||
| I know he came down, I think that was last year, kind of in the midst of everything. | ||
| And at the time, it was essential workers only could come into the United States. | ||
| And he had a hunt that was planned in California that he needed to get over there for to film for Kuyu, or to do photos for. | ||
| And he came in, he did the hunt, and on his way back they like hammered him. | ||
| He told us like, they threatened him like, you are not an essential worker basically. | ||
| You are not allowed to travel if we catch you doing it again. | ||
| I think it was, what did he say, like $700,000 fine. | ||
| And there was a certain amount of time in jail if he did it. | ||
| $700,000? | ||
| Yes, $700,000 is what they told him. | ||
| And then he had to go quarantine for 14 days away from his wife. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's nuts. | ||
| Canada is... | ||
| You know, it's interesting how different countries handle these things, lockdowns. | ||
| And in different states, you know, in this country, you're seeing differences on different... | ||
| Like New York City just instituted a... | ||
| They have a passport, essentially. | ||
| If you want to use a gym, if you want to use... | ||
| And this is not even like a COVID test, like where you test negative. | ||
| You have to be vaccinated, which doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Because if you're vaccinated, you can still spread it. | ||
| You can catch it and you can still spread it. | ||
| You can do rapid antigen tests. | ||
| It takes 10 minutes. | ||
| And you could find out whether or not someone has it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not that hard. | ||
| I mean, they've been doing it now for a long time. | ||
| The idea that you're going to have a vaccine passport, like a vaccine is the only solution to this, it's preposterous. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I mean, the logic with some of this stuff is so... | ||
| Ass backwards. | ||
| A lot of it's fear-based. | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| People are just panicking, and they don't know what to do, and they feel like this is an easy-to-follow solution. | ||
| If everyone just got vaccinated, but that's not really the case. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because everyone would have to get vaccinated simultaneously. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And then even then, there's a lot of articles that are out there now. | ||
| There's scientific papers that have been written about vaccines that don't eliminate a virus. | ||
| Like, they still allow someone to catch the virus. | ||
| Well, that can possibly lead to variants that are even stronger. | ||
| The whole thing is fucked. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I hate to be the fucking guy who keeps beating a dead horse, but they never talk about your health. | ||
| They never talk about losing weight. | ||
| They never talk about exercise. | ||
| They never talk about vitamins and all the things you can do to strengthen your immune system. | ||
| Never bring it up. | ||
| It's just a bunch of fat people eating McDonald's trying to get a vaccine. | ||
| This is the only thing you can get. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's so frustrating. | ||
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It is. | |
| It is beyond. | ||
| I mean, we could sit here and- Well, there's also people that have already had it. | ||
| People that have already had it and have antibodies, they still want you to get vaccinated. | ||
| Jamie has antibodies from nine fucking months ago. | ||
| Look at him, flexing. | ||
| I just got tested. | ||
| I had him too, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pound. | ||
| When was... | ||
| Yours was from February? | ||
| February of last year, which I don't even know. | ||
| I never got tested then. | ||
| It was just the big hunt expo in Utah that we do every year. | ||
| And I got extremely sick. | ||
| And all the symptoms were the same as COVID. So February of 19? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| No. | ||
| February of 19, there was no COVID yet. | ||
| You sure? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| November of 19 was when it was happening in Wuhan. | ||
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Oh, it would have been in February. | |
| Oh, right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Duh. | ||
| See? | ||
| Again, I'm bad with numbers. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure that's when it was. | ||
| So last year. | ||
| 20. 20. It would have been 20. It would have been while the pandemic was happening, right? | ||
| You're right. | ||
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Well... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No, because last year... | ||
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Right before the pandemic started. | |
| Well, the pandemic was March, right? | ||
| Of last year? | ||
| Yeah, March is when everything shut down. | ||
| Gotcha, then it was February last year. | ||
| So you were at February of 2020, right before everything shut down. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
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Right, okay. | |
| That was it. | ||
| So, I mean, maybe that doesn't seem so far-fetched now. | ||
| That's fucking long ago, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That really is crazy. | ||
| It's more than a year. | ||
| Yeah, unless I came across it again, I just didn't have any symptoms and my body was just like... | ||
| Well, SARS-CoV-1, right? | ||
| The original SARS, whatever it is. | ||
| I don't know if they call it SARS-CoV-1. | ||
| It's just SARS, original SARS. People have had antibodies for that for years, you know? | ||
| And they think that, well, it's with you. | ||
| Listen, if you got it in February of 20, and here we are, how many months is that? | ||
| 12, 13, 14, 14? | ||
| That's a long fucking time, dude. | ||
| More than a year later, you have antibodies. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I was on an elk hunt in New Mexico last November, and two of my buddies, like a day after we got back, tested positive for it. | ||
| So maybe you were asymptomatic. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Because you had the antibodies already from February, and then it probably just went through your system. | ||
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Wild speculation. | |
| I saw this yesterday. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Wild speculation on this show? | ||
| The fuck are you doing? | ||
| They're saying that white-tailed deer have antibodies. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
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What? | |
| If you eat that, would it show up, do you think? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Very good question. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, there's quite a few white-tailed deer they've tested that have antibodies. | ||
| How the fuck are they getting it? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Who's coughing on deer? | ||
| Right? | ||
| How are they getting it? | ||
| They're outdoors always, only, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait a minute, maybe not. | ||
| Maybe these are deer that were in one of them farms. | ||
| Yeah, it could have been. | ||
| Which is, by the way, a fucking petri dish of diseases. | ||
| They think that's one of the main sources for CWD. Really? | ||
| Chronic wasting disease? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They tested 600 deer in one, two, three, four different states. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| But where are they getting the deer from? | ||
| Yeah, these keep getting the deer. | ||
| These got to be high fence operation, I'm guessing. | ||
| See, if that's the case, you got a bunch of fat dudes that don't take care of themselves coughing on these deer that they're feeding. | ||
| I fucking have a real problem with that whole feeder thing, man. | ||
| People sit in front of a feeder and wait for these deer to show up. | ||
| Look, it's one thing if you're just getting meat and this is how you do it, but you kind of shouldn't call that hunting. | ||
| You're harvesting. | ||
| It's killing. | ||
| You're killing. | ||
| Look, I'm all down for it if you got invasive species like wild pigs and stuff like that, but the Texas situation is very odd. | ||
| Very odd. | ||
| It's mostly private land. | ||
| Huge ranches. | ||
| Giant. | ||
| And a lot of people hunting over feeders. | ||
| I was talking to these guys, like, you hunt? | ||
| Yeah, we hunt too. | ||
| Yeah, my buddy's got a ranch. | ||
| We sit in front of the feed. | ||
| I'm like, stop! | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Stop talking. | ||
| You're not hunting. | ||
| You're waiting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, you're waiting. | ||
| I guess you got some of these, like, insanely thick, what do they call those? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Sandaros? | ||
| Sandaros. | ||
| Sandaros or something? | ||
| They use a Mexican word for some strange reason, right? | ||
| But really, I mean, I don't know how you would hunt these deer outside of that, but you're right. | ||
| They basically just dump a bunch of feed down these clear cuts, like a road, basically, and then they get on the end of it and just wait. | ||
| Well, it's similar to what they have to do with a lot of bear hunting. | ||
| They bait because there's no fucking way. | ||
| First of all, a bear's nose is so ridiculously powerful. | ||
| You're not sneaking up on them. | ||
| No. | ||
| How are you going to get them? | ||
| The only way spot and stalk works is if you have to go to an area where there's a clear cut where they have new greenery coming through and the bears like to eat that right after spring. | ||
| Or you find them when they're eating berries. | ||
| Getting close enough to archery hunting? | ||
| Yeah, because if it's thick enough to where there's no possible way to be quiet, what are you supposed to do? | ||
| I have friends in Montana that hunt bear and there's no baiting in Montana. | ||
| So it's like spring bear hunt is like you might go 30 fucking days and never get close. | ||
| That's how we are in Cali. | ||
| You can't bait. | ||
| You can't even run dogs. | ||
| They used to run a lot of dogs on them where they'd tree them. | ||
| If it's keeping the population down, that's cool. | ||
| But it's not something that ever interests me to do. | ||
| But we can't do any of that anymore. | ||
| So it's all basically spot and stock like Montana now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I bet archery success in California has to be so low. | ||
| I'm not sure, yeah. | ||
| I know at Tejon Ranch they kill a few every year, and big ones too, but they use rifles. | ||
| They were trying to outlaw bear hunting altogether last year, but they put the kibosh on it. | ||
| Well, when people started understanding the numbers and go, hey, hey, hey, do you know what the fuck you're talking about? | ||
| It's like Ronella always likes to describe bears as charismatic megafauna. | ||
| And there's a thing about bears because people think of them as stuffed animals or teddy bears or yogi. | ||
| But if you're a person who lives on a ranch, you understand what these things really are. | ||
| These are the things that eat. | ||
| Calves alive. | ||
| These are fucking predators. | ||
| Big, giant, fast-moving predators. | ||
| You have to control the population. | ||
| There has to be predator population control. | ||
| But there's a thing about laws that get passed in high population density areas where the people never have contact. | ||
| Like in BC, they outlawed grizzly hunting. | ||
| But meanwhile, people that I know that live in rural BC are like, fuck! | ||
| You assholes in the cities, you don't even know what you're banning. | ||
| You're banning hunting these things that you have to hunt, because then they're going to hire people to kill them now. | ||
| And so then these guides aren't going to make any money, the outfitters aren't going to make any money. | ||
| More people are going to get their shit eaten, animals. | ||
| And more people are going to get attacked. | ||
| Yeah, way more attacks. | ||
| Because they're going to get less nervous around people because now they're not going to think of people as being hunters anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Well, I mean, how few people really understand? | ||
| I mean, other than talking about it on podcasts like this one or on Meat Eater or on any other podcast where people have, like, common sense discussions about wildlife management, most people really have no idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| No clue at all. | ||
| It's not like they're going to go out of their way to get on the internet and start doing some research on it. | ||
| It's just whatever they hear is what they know. | ||
| California is probably one of the worst places for that as far as that goes. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, people just, like you said, associate bears with the cute and cuddly. | ||
| They don't, they have no idea that, I mean, I know now in LA they're starting to figure that out a little bit because you're getting tons of coyotes even coming in and killing people's pets and even attacking people. | ||
| You got mountain lions, you know, attacking people, running and bike riding and killing them, you know, and I think there's even more and more bears now starting to move in. | ||
| Especially around Pasadena, jumping in people's swimming pools and shit. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| But, I mean, the population's only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger, you know? | ||
| Especially now. | ||
| I know that when we could run dogs, when hunters could run dogs on killing bears, there was a quota that the state would put on amount of bear kills. | ||
| Once that quota was hit through successful tags, they turned the season off. | ||
| And every year we would hit that quota. | ||
| We haven't hit that quota since they stopped the bear hunting, which, or sorry, allowing dogs to be hunted, which has been years now. | ||
| I've heard they get like half of it, even. | ||
| So it's like the population's just compounding. | ||
| It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| And it's going to continue that way, too. | ||
| Because the people that are making the votes are all city dwellers. | ||
| I mean, the amount of people that live in the cities, whether it's the Bay Area or in Los Angeles, it's like, you know, most of the population in the state... | ||
| But the crazy thing is when you make that drive from Los Angeles up to San Francisco, you pass farmers. | ||
| It's all rural. | ||
| They all have Trump signs up. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's like, is this really California? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And then when you get up in your area, like Sacramento, man, there's a lot of hunting and fishing going on up there. | ||
| People don't know. | ||
| Sac North, it's almost like a SAC North is almost like a different state. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I don't know if things are ever going to change for the state as far as that goes. | ||
| If there's not better game management, like our deer herd, California's deer herd is struggling big time. | ||
| We can't kill mountain lions, obviously. | ||
| That's another predator that's just compounding. | ||
| It's just continuing to get... | ||
| No management at all. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Unless they kill pets and they get a depredation permit and then all the wildlife nuts fucking threaten these people. | ||
| And now they've even made some... | ||
| Like I said, my buddy... | ||
| I have a buddy that's a county trapper and they've made it even harder now to take out problem animals. | ||
| So like a mountain lion, say it comes in and kills a horse or whatever... | ||
| Like it used to be, he killed my animal, I'll get a depredation permit. | ||
| We either see it, we kill it, or we set a trap, catch it, kill it. | ||
| Now it's like, I think there's like three strikes. | ||
| It has to kill three times. | ||
| It's like a felon. | ||
| It's fucking crazy, dude. | ||
| My buddy's just like, this is absolutely insane. | ||
| And it's not based, again, on sound wildlife management principles. | ||
| We're wildlife biologists. | ||
| It's people that don't understand what they're managing. | ||
| It's like having nuclear waste managed by stand-up comedians. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, you don't know what the fuck you're doing? | ||
| Like, why are you doing this? | ||
| They really don't know what they're doing. | ||
| In San Francisco, where they've killed a bunch of mountain lions that have killed people's pets and stuff, one of the things they've found when they do necropsies on them and they check out their guts, they find out what they've been eating, it's mostly dogs. | ||
| They're eating like 50% pets. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| I don't know if we're ever gonna do anything about it, though. | ||
| That's the scary thing. | ||
| Bro, if a mountain lion ever killed Marshall, I would become the mountain lion punisher. | ||
| I would fucking decide. | ||
| I would dedicate my life to killing those cunts. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I already had one dog get killed by a mountain lion in Colorado. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, back in 2008. Or nine? | ||
| 2009, I guess it was? | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just in your backyard? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Bro, they're fucking nasty cunts. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
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They're nasty. | |
| I've seen videos online of, yeah, like, I think they're like home cameras, like security cameras that catch it, you know? | ||
| It's fucking crazy, yeah. | ||
| Killing a dog. | ||
| They kill a lot of dogs. | ||
| I had, um, and this happens all the time, you know, I'd go and ask permission landowners and, you know, usually it's these kind of, sometimes it's older lady. | ||
| And this one in particular was an older lady. | ||
| She had two little like white fluffy dogs. | ||
| And, uh, I asked if I could, could hunt on her property and she told me no. | ||
| And so I would just hunt the property next year. | ||
| I was just trying to expand the property that I could hunt. | ||
| And so I'd be out there and this probably was like months later. | ||
| She comes up to me. | ||
| I was out there scouting some deer. | ||
| She's like, you know, I'd really like it if you saw these coyotes and shot them. | ||
| One of them, I watched them pull my dog away and basically killed it. | ||
| It was one of her little white fluffy dogs. | ||
| And it's like, man, it sucks that that's what it takes for a lot of these people, like, something traumatic in your life to be taken away for you to understand, like, the benefit of doing this, you know? | ||
| Like, if I was able to hunt deer on your property, if you wanted me to kill coyotes, I would take care of them for you, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| I'd keep the population down. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| Obviously, I did it. | ||
| I was trying to help her out after that, but it's like, you know, I don't know. | ||
| To keep population of coyotes down is a fucking full-time job, son. | ||
| I've heard something crazy, and I don't know how true this is, but it's almost like, what was it? | ||
| Like, if you kill coyotes in an area and you bring the population down to a certain amount... | ||
| They know that and they rebreed in double in size. | ||
| It's 100% true. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| There's a great book called Coyote America. | ||
| A guy named Dan Flores, who's been on the podcast before, is a brilliant guy. | ||
| I believe he's a wildlife historian and he was a professor. | ||
| He was actually one of Rinella's professors while he was in college. | ||
| And what happens is when coyotes yell at night, it's basically a roll call. | ||
| They're like... | ||
| And they try to find out where everybody is. | ||
| And when one of the coyotes turns up missing, the females have more pups. | ||
| So all the females breed more. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why coyotes are everywhere. | ||
| And apparently it was a strategy for coyotes to survive with gray wolves. | ||
| Because gray wolves hunt down coyotes and kill them. | ||
| So because of this the coyotes had to figure out how to expand their range to get away from the gray wolves and how to breed more prolifically every time they got attacked by wolves. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It's pretty wild shit man because the coyotes were smarter than the wolves because when They figured out how to kill off the wolves and what they would do is they would they would shoot a horse and then fill it up with strychnine and Like pump its veins with strychnine and then leave it there for the wolves and the wolves would eat it and die But the coyotes like me not today bitch. | ||
| Yeah, and the coyotes kept expanding so now Coyotes are in every single state in every single city in the country and a hundred years ago They were only in the West Really? | ||
| Yeah, they were only in the West. | ||
| I mean, this is a relatively short period of time. | ||
| They've expanded through the entire state. | ||
| They're in fucking Manhattan. | ||
| They really are. | ||
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What? | |
| You've never seen it? | ||
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No. | |
| There's videos of coyotes in Central Park. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| Pull that shit up, because you need to see this, because it's so bananas. | ||
| They're essentially a small wolf, is what they are, which is why the red wolf and coyotes have bred in some parts of the south, and I think the southeast, and they've developed these hybrids that they call coy wolves, so it's like a larger coyote. | ||
| And I've seen, like in New Mexico, they have Mexican wolves, but they basically look like a big coyote. | ||
| But I think that's another kind of subspecie of it. | ||
| Well, I mean, a coyote is a wolf. | ||
| That's the thing that a lot of folks don't know. | ||
| It is a wolf. | ||
| It's just a small wolf, but a really fucking clever one. | ||
| Yeah, they're so smart. | ||
| Really sneaky. | ||
| And all these Native Americans have these, look at this, these motherfuckers Look at that. | ||
| In Manhattan. | ||
| What the- Fuck out of here. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Central Park. | ||
| Coyote. | ||
| That's a healthy looking coyote, too. | ||
| Check out this coyote stalking his way through Central Park. | ||
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What? | |
| Or its way. | ||
| Wild, dude. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| New York. | ||
| New York park officials offer tips after coyote sighting in Central Park. | ||
| Bro, they're everywhere. | ||
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Wow. | |
| They're literally everywhere. | ||
| They're in the Bronx. | ||
| They've seen them in abandoned buildings in the Bronx. | ||
| What the hell? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fuck? | ||
| He darted it, look. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's got a dart in it. | ||
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Oh, wow, they jabbed him. | |
| Man, that's crazy. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| They're probably tracking him, trying to capture him. | ||
| Wild shit, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| You know, and people that just don't understand hunting or population control, they get so pissed off. | ||
| It's predators. | ||
| It's a predator thing. | ||
| Bears. | ||
| I mean, you see these people, you know, I have buddies that go out and do these coyote derbies, basically, where in the area they'll bring a bunch of people in and everybody tries to kill as many coyotes as they can. | ||
| And it's very extreme, I get that, but it's like in an area, you know, that's very highly populated with coyotes, it's something that can help control the population very quick, you know? | ||
| And it's something that needs to be done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you want to keep your dogs alive and, you know, you want healthy populations of deer and a lot of other wildlife, like, you can't have an overpopulation of anything. | ||
| And the only thing that balances that out, other than nature itself, and the cycle of nature itself when it balances out, Yeah, but that's how nature balances it out. | ||
| The only other solution is wildlife management. | ||
| And that's where wildlife biologists do an accurate assessment, a survey of the area, they find out what the populations are, and they figure out how many of each animal that they can pull from it. | ||
| People don't understand when you're talking about getting a tag for moose. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| It's not like anybody could just go to Alaska and shoot a moose. | ||
| No, it's fucking very difficult. | ||
| Some animals, like bighorn sheep, good luck getting a tag for them, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, I got lucky on one of those too. | ||
| You're a lucky dude. | ||
| No, dude, just, I mean, here's an example. | ||
| You were talking about the moose. | ||
| I have a story of, you know, I got the rack, you know, all cleaned up and everything, and I'm driving it home from my taxidermist, and this Prius rolls up, and I'm not making that up because it really was a Prius, and they roll up, and it's this big old fat chick. | ||
| She's got, like, different colors in her hair. | ||
| And I'm guessing it's her husband or boyfriend driving and I'm just minding my business in the slow lane just just wanting to get home You know, I don't want my nothing I want, you know, obviously if I could have Enclosed the whole thing I would have just because I know it pisses people off in California And I'm driving and this lady comes rolling up next to me flipping me the bird and she's cussing and yelling and they whizzed past me I'm just like jeez And so we start coming up on traffic basically to where I'm trying to slow down because I don't want to get | ||
| into it with this chick. | ||
| I know what she's trying to do. | ||
| And then all of a sudden they slow down too. | ||
| And I see her window start rolling down. | ||
| She's got a big gulp that's like fucking giant, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, here we go. | ||
| She slows down enough to get right next to me, tosses it and just hits my windshield. | ||
| Just throws her big gulp on my truck and then they speed off. | ||
| I'm just like, you. | ||
| Bitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's like, you know, you don't know anything about that, you know? | ||
| Like you just said. | ||
| Do you think that fatso only eats vegetables? | ||
| Yeah, not a chance. | ||
| I only eat hot dogs! | ||
| Yeah, she probably just got... | ||
| They're from a hot dog factory! | ||
| Dude, it's insane when I get comments like that. | ||
| Why don't you just go to the store and buy your meat like everybody else and stop killing these animals? | ||
| Morons. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| Do you really, really believe that? | ||
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Like, you really, truly believe that and it's like, It is the dumbest fucking argument of all time. | |
| And you know who has that argument more? | ||
| It's people that live in other countries that don't hunt at all. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's where I noticed a lot of it comes from. | ||
| Weird, man. | ||
| Where they just don't have any history of hunting. | ||
| They just think you're a cruel person. | ||
| Meanwhile, they're eating beef every day. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's strange, man. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| And I try to inform... | ||
| I mean, if they're willing to listen, a lot of the times they don't care what the hell you say. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. | ||
| They're just like, fuck you. | ||
| But if they're willing to learn, I'll sit there and try to inform someone. | ||
| But, dude, it's crazy, the ignorance and just stupidity that some people have and will not listen to anything you try to say to them. | ||
| Not only that, they are never going to get an animal who lives a better life than a wild deer that you hunt. | ||
| If you're eating meat, and you're eating meat even from the best ranch, you're not eating anything wild. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, there's nothing wrong with ranchers. | ||
| I'm not opposed to ranching. | ||
| But if you're eating a wild elk that you hunted and killed yourself, there's no better meat on planet Earth. | ||
| I agree, man. | ||
| And no better for you and no more ethical because there's not a single one of them that dies of old age. | ||
| It's never going to happen. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's not like they're not regulated. | ||
| They know what the fuck they're doing. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I think these people just assume that we're going... | ||
| I envision it like us in the back of a truck with an automatic weapon, drinking some beers, blasting some loud music, and just mowing everything down. | ||
| I think that's what they think. | ||
| Don't let them see Texas pig hunting, man. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| These fucking helicopters out here. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Oh, it's crazy. | ||
| But Texas is just, I mean, obviously the pig population is insane. | ||
| And it's like, there's not a lot of other options. | ||
| You can try and poison them, but you're going to poison everything else in the ecosystem. | ||
| You can try and trap them, but pigs aren't stupid. | ||
| You might catch one or two, but the other ones see it happen. | ||
| And then after a while they're like, fuck you, I'm not going in that trap. | ||
| And it's like, so what else do you do? | ||
| The thing is, the people that are upset about it are not the ranchers that are losing literally millions of dollars in crops every year. | ||
| Those people, they're fucking furious about these pigs. | ||
| But it's such a weird animal. | ||
| It's like an invasive species. | ||
| And they breed all year round. | ||
| Dude, it's crazy. | ||
| I came to Texas years ago and we did a pig hunt. | ||
| We were spot and stuck right before evening. | ||
| We killed a pig. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| We killed one of the pigs and one of them ended up being a really small pig, maybe like a 40 or 50 pounder, which is a pig that stands about that high. | ||
| And we're like, hey, let's clean this pig and we'll put this on the smoker and we'll let it smoke all day tomorrow and we'll have it for dinner tomorrow night. | ||
| So when we cleaned it, dude, this thing already had piglets. | ||
| Like it was already breeding as a 40, 50 pound pig. | ||
| Yeah, at six months old, they're viable. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I think there was probably already 8 to 10 in it, you know? | ||
| And then within, you know, you said it was 6 months, those ones are already breeding again. | ||
| Each one's having, you know, anywhere from 6 to 15. And then it's just like wildfire. | ||
| It just keeps spreading. | ||
| Somebody told me there was a new road that opened up somewhere in Texas, and the night the road opened, they had 40 car accidents. | ||
| Because of pigs? | ||
| Because of pigs. | ||
| Oh, no way. | ||
| Because pigs had been using the area. | ||
| Just traveling. | ||
| Just running back and forth. | ||
| People were just driving. | ||
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| Shit. | ||
| 40. No way. | ||
| 40 car accidents. | ||
| Put some hog wire, man. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, just the sheer numbers in this state are really crazy. | ||
| And they're delicious. | ||
| They are. | ||
| I love eating wild pig. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| It's very good. | ||
| Like I said, that's one of the things that we do for Fins and Feathers. | ||
| We guide people. | ||
| I will personally at least go get at least one a year and live off that. | ||
| But I love wild pig. | ||
| I love the chops. | ||
| I mean, we'll do ground meat. | ||
| You know, I'd do pretty much anything you do with ground beef, but I'll do it with ground pork. | ||
| I love it, man. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| And it's a robust flavor, too. | ||
| It's a dark meat. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| Like, if you look at pork, like domestic pork, it's like a really pale flesh. | ||
| But wild pork, it's almost red. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and it's good, man. | ||
| I do a lot of cooking videos. | ||
| I have a YouTube channel. | ||
| I basically film all my hunts. | ||
| I try to do my point of view from everything, so I do a lot of vlogging and stuff. | ||
| My wife went and killed her very first big game animal with me and it was a wild boar on that ranch. | ||
| And like I said earlier, there's tons of wild mulberry trees all over the place. | ||
| So she got this boar and then we went and picked a bunch of the wild mulberries. | ||
| And I did like this, I smoked, I did the whole video if anyone ever wants to see it, but I smoked the whole like bone-in backstrap, like the loin. | ||
| And then I did like a mulberry reduction on it from those mulberries from the ranch. | ||
| Look at you, fancy man. | ||
| Yeah, it was fucking good, dude. | ||
| There it is here. | ||
| Oh yeah, there you go. | ||
| I don't think I've ever had mulberries. | ||
| What do mulberries taste like? | ||
| They're so sweet. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's hands down my favorite berry. | ||
| Have you ever had a mulberry, Jamie? | ||
| When these ones are ripe... | ||
| I probably had one, but I couldn't recall it. | ||
| There's the boar. | ||
| That's a good-sized boar. | ||
| Oh yeah, I forgot about that. | ||
| We had a lion stalking in on us when we were stalking in on that boar. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I forgot about that one earlier when you asked. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So this was Sunday morning. | ||
| We're like stalking in on these pigs and I look behind us and I'm like, what the fuck is that? | ||
| Like 50 yards behind us, this cat was just cruising. | ||
| And I don't know if he was... | ||
| I don't know if he was chasing that buck earlier, but dude, it just started, like, just cruising. | ||
| There's so many of them in California. | ||
| When I was at Tejon Ranch, they had a trail cam on one of their ponds, and they found 16 different mountain lions on the trail cam. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's what happens when you have a ranch, a large ranch with no people, right, and a large deer, pig, and they have cows there too, they run cows there too, and elk, and mountain lions unchecked. | ||
| There's nothing they can do about it. | ||
| It sucks, man. | ||
| It's crazy, but it's just a really bad wildlife management practice. | ||
| I mean, people think that somehow or another these cats are endangered or something. | ||
| They're not at all. | ||
| Yeah, not at all. | ||
| Especially not in those rural areas. | ||
| There's a lot of them, man. | ||
| When did you start this Peak Refuel Company? | ||
| So this is... | ||
| These make great stuff, dude. | ||
| It's a really good company. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I appreciate it, man. | ||
| Yeah, we... | ||
| Last year was our first Mendez Mill launch. | ||
| So I got to create... | ||
| This is like super cool. | ||
| Seth and Bart, you know, these guys go above and beyond with this stuff. | ||
| And we got to... | ||
| Basically, I created two... | ||
| Game meat recipes. | ||
| We did elk and we did a bison last year. | ||
| And I create, like in my kitchen, come up with these recipes. | ||
| I absolutely love cooking, by the way. | ||
| And then we go back and forth, turning it into a freeze-dried meal. | ||
| And so that was the two meals that we did last year. | ||
| And then this year, we added another one of mine, which is a venison meal. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| That middle one. | ||
| Venison country casserole, elk ragu pasta, and bison ranch mashers. | ||
| And what is the difference between like food that's dehydrated versus freeze-dried? | ||
| Is it a taste thing? | ||
| Is it a nutrition thing? | ||
| So it's the way that it's done, but obviously dehydrating, you're basically sucking all the moisture, like the liquid out of it, where freeze-drying you're not doing that. | ||
| And so when you rehydrate something that's freeze-dried, Like, dehydrated stuff typically gets really mushy when you put water back into it. | ||
| And so freeze-drying doesn't do that. | ||
| You know, you still have all the right textures, the right... | ||
| Basically, all the right flavors, too. | ||
| And another thing that we do that's different is... | ||
| Basically, like, you got a mountain house company that's obviously been around for a long time. | ||
| And that's, like, something I grew up using. | ||
| That's really all there was back then. | ||
| But a lot of their stuff, basically, they... | ||
| When they make it, they put all the ingredients in separate. | ||
| A lot of these other companies do that same thing. | ||
| It's not like us where we have like a giant, basically like a pot. | ||
| We cook the entire recipe and make it taste exactly like it's supposed to and then dehydrate that. | ||
| Or freeze dry. | ||
| Sorry, freeze dry that into our meals. | ||
| So it's not like we're doing all the different ingredients and then just adding them into a bag, shake it up and there you go. | ||
| Is it a more time-consuming process? | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's more time-consuming, but what's great about Peak Refuel is we have the facility, first of all, and we have all the giant machinery that a lot of these other companies, especially the smaller companies that are doing these other game meets, they can only do a handful at a time, so it's hard for them to keep in inventory and stock. | ||
| We have... | ||
| Basically, the giant stuff, we can pump out higher numbers of it, so we can keep up inventory, but also, you know, it's just, we basically have the team that can keep up on top of being able to produce enough for everybody to keep it in their backpacks. | ||
| How long have you been doing this for? | ||
| Last year was our first year, yeah. | ||
| So was your first year or the company's first? | ||
| Was Peak Refuel? | ||
| Peak's been around... | ||
| So I'm not an actual owner of the company. | ||
| You just work with them? | ||
| I work with them. | ||
| So this is a company that I teamed up with last year. | ||
| And it's kind of a cool story. | ||
| So they haven't been around long. | ||
| I think they've been around... | ||
| I want to say three or four years now. | ||
| I was one of their very first customers ever. | ||
| Without knowing that, obviously. | ||
| But I drew a tag here in Northern California. | ||
| So I was going to do a backcountry hunt with a buddy of mine. | ||
| And he had heard about this company. | ||
| Because obviously, like I said, the Mountain House stuff... | ||
| That's all we've ever used. | ||
| But dude, that stuff fucks my stomach up. | ||
| It's great if you like to fart. | ||
| Yeah, dude, it's the worst. | ||
| And so I'm like, I don't want to be living. | ||
| Fettuccine Alfredo, man. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Anything downwind of you, you're going to start a stampede. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| And even after the hunt for like a week, I don't shit right. | ||
| It's just bad. | ||
| And so I'm like, dude, I don't really want to live off this stuff. | ||
| I'm going to look into just making my own stuff. | ||
| And he's like, dude, check out Peak Refuel. | ||
| He's like, this stuff, it's all real ingredients. | ||
| They do it right. | ||
| It's not like a ton of preservatives. | ||
| It's not like all this nasty shit. | ||
| So I went on the website. | ||
| And ended up buying a bunch of their stuff for that hunt. | ||
| And it's funny because Seth and Bart said that was like in the beginning of them where they would just sit there like basically waiting for orders to come through. | ||
| And Seth, who's the owner, is like a big UFC fan. | ||
| And he's sitting there and it's like, bling! | ||
| And an order comes through and he's like... | ||
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Holy shit! | |
| Chad Mendes just ordered some of our meals and freaked out. | ||
| He ended up writing a handwritten letter and sending it with my stuff. | ||
| That's kind of how we ended up knowing each other and figuring each other out. | ||
| Dude, it was cool. | ||
| We contacted each other and became super good buds right off the bat. | ||
| They're just great people, man. | ||
| They're based out of Utah. | ||
| Hard workers, they have amazing families. | ||
| It's just been something that I feel honored to be a part of. | ||
| For me to be able to basically create my own recipes and pump them out there for people to try, and their game meats, it's kind of something that's unique. | ||
| You're not really seeing that very often. | ||
| It's just been cool, man. | ||
| It's been cool to be a part of. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| And how many different varieties do they have? | ||
| They have a lot of different stuff. | ||
| Yeah, the Peak lineup is a bunch of different meals, and then I just have my three as of right now. | ||
| Do they have snacks too? | ||
| They do, and we're actually working on some stuff for next year for some Mendez snacks and stuff. | ||
| I have some cool ideas. | ||
| They just came out with the sweets. | ||
| Brownie bites, cookie bites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For people that don't know, when folks go hunting or camping or any of that stuff where you're trying to pack as lightly as possible, it saves you so much weight to buy freeze-dried things like that and keep them in your pack. | ||
| Genuinely keep a whole week's worth of food in your bag if you have a large backpack. | ||
| Yeah, and that's what we did. | ||
| I did a doll sheep hunt in Alaska last year, and we were there for 10 days living out of our backpack. | ||
| I lived off all my peak stuff. | ||
| Basically, you can just fold them up. | ||
| You have your days rationed. | ||
| Here's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or whatever it is. | ||
| And, you know, it's nice to know you can bust your ass all day on all these hikes. | ||
| You're just kind of snacking. | ||
| And then you have your peak meal at the end of the day, which is like your thousand calorie kick in the pants. | ||
| Like, that's where all your energy is going to come from for recovery from today and, you know, my energy for working, hiking, and traveling tomorrow. | ||
| So... | ||
| Man, it's nice having that stuff for sure because they weigh just a couple ounces each day. | ||
| Yeah, it's incredible, right? | ||
| When you think about the amount of calories from just a couple ounces. | ||
| And you add water to it? | ||
| Just very minimal water. | ||
| Most of them are like a cup to a cup and a half of water, which is nice because a lot of the other meals... | ||
| Requires a lot more, which in the backcountry, water is sacred, man. | ||
| There's some spots you get into where there isn't any water, so you really have to ration what you have. | ||
| And so, you know, only needing a cup of water to rehydrate an entire dinner or basically it's your full day's meal is pretty special. | ||
| So, yeah, just basically we have a jet boil. | ||
| You know, it's a little contraption that basically boils that water real quick within like a minute or two. | ||
| And you just pour it in there, mix it up, seal it up, and set for like 10-15 minutes and mix it. | ||
| And it's amazing food right there. | ||
| Super easy, convenient, ready to go. | ||
| How many of your hunts are you doing rifle versus bow? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I mean, it really varies year to year. | ||
| I'd say probably 50-50. | ||
| Some years more archery, some years more rifle. | ||
| This year, it's probably going to be... | ||
| It'll probably be close to 50-50, which sucks. | ||
| It doesn't suck, but this fight now in October, all my fall, basically all my fall hunts are wiped out. | ||
| I got to buckle down, and I had to cancel quite a few hunts. | ||
| That's got to be kind of a weird, bittersweet thing for you, right? | ||
| It is, man, because, I mean, hunting has been... | ||
| It's been my true passion and my love for so long. | ||
| Since I was a little kid, my dad got me into it. | ||
| Every September, I'm out chasing bull elk with a bow. | ||
| This is going to be the first year in a long time where I'm sitting back just watching all my buddies get out there and do it. | ||
| Not being able to do it. | ||
| But me and Dillashaw actually have a hunt in October, like right after my fight. | ||
| Fingers crossed, nothing breaks hand-wise. | ||
| But we're going to go to Colorado and we have a mule deer elk hunt. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Right after. | ||
| So that'll be mule deer in the rut? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Second season, which I think this year Colorado, the whole season shifted. | ||
| So I think it goes right there at the end of October and in that first week in November. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| So that should be, if they're not in full rut, which they probably won't be in full rut, but they'll be acting ready. | ||
| Is Colorado doing things differently as far as like over-the-counter tags? | ||
| I heard that they're changing some of their over-the-counter archery tags and... | ||
| I haven't heard, but I mean, stuff changes in every state every damn year, I feel like. | ||
| What did you hear? | ||
| Making it more difficult to get tags. | ||
| They're going to have draws instead of just playing over the counter. | ||
| Yeah, I think a lot of areas they probably would do that, which, you know, it's one of those things. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| It helps in a lot of ways, but it also sucks in a lot of ways. | ||
| Well, I think the pandemic really opened up a lot of people's eyes to the possibility that there might come a time where you don't have any food at all. | ||
| And, like, how do you get food if you don't know how to hunt? | ||
| And a lot of people are like, you know what? | ||
| I should probably learn how to hunt. | ||
| So, obviously, gun sales went through the roof. | ||
| But a lot of people also took up archery and started... | ||
| You know, bow hunting for the first time. | ||
| I think a lot of guys like you and Cam and Dudley, you know, you've really shown such a positive light on archery hunting and hunting in general. | ||
| I think, I mean, so another business is Fins and Feathers. | ||
| That's the hunting and fishing. | ||
| I basically guide people. | ||
| Which is pretty badass, because you literally Yeah, it's so much fun, man. | ||
| It's been awesome being able to share that passion and just teach people. | ||
| But what I was going to say is what you just said is last year with COVID, that was our best year we've ever had with fins and feathers. | ||
| We had more people interested in hunting and going hunting and fishing last year than we ever have. | ||
| Did you test them at all? | ||
| You just said, fuck it? | ||
| Fuck it, man. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Yeah, let's do it. | ||
| But yeah, it was awesome, man. | ||
| We had a ton of people that had never hunted before. | ||
| And they're like, look, we watch Meat Eater all the time, or Nella. | ||
| We've been seeing Joe do a lot of this stuff. | ||
| I watch Cam. | ||
| I've always wanted to get into archery hunting or hunting in general. | ||
| And I think it's basically because people were starting to realize, like, fuck, if shit hits the fan, I need to know how to hunt. | ||
| I need to know how to go out and provide for myself. | ||
| And we had so many first-time hunters last year that booked with us, and it was pretty damn cool to see these people that are complete city slickers coming out there. | ||
| And we had guys show up in tennis shoes to go hunting, and I'm like, dude, I told you to bring boots, but... | ||
| Did you have to teach them how to shoot, everything? | ||
| Take them to a range? | ||
| How did you do it? | ||
| I guided them a bit beforehand, told them what they needed to do. | ||
| Get out there, sight your gun in at 100, make sure you're comfortable shooting out probably 200 or 300. And then when they show up, we take them out. | ||
| I make sure that everything's dialed, make sure they're doing what they need to do. | ||
| But they've all taken their hunter safety course, so they've gone through that. | ||
| But then basically just hold their hand throughout the whole hunt and kind of Basically just guide them, leading the way. | ||
| Here's an example. | ||
| It was a pretty cool example. | ||
| We had a young kid that booked with us last year on our cow elk hunt up in Oregon, and he was a huge fan of Ranella's and loved the Meat Eater podcast and the show. | ||
| It was a cow elk hunt. | ||
| He kept all the organs And, but, you know, it was his first time going out hunting and first morning I get him on two cows, you know, 150 yards, just standing there across the canyon, broadside. | ||
| And I get him on the shooting sticks and he's, you know, never, ever been in this situation in his life. | ||
| And I look over and he's just like, Taking like a leaf. | ||
| He didn't shoot, obviously. | ||
| We sat there for like five minutes and they're staring at us and he's like, just heart beating out of his chest. | ||
| I guess at that point I kind of forgot what that feeling feels like. | ||
| I still get excited on hunts, but I haven't been that excited on anything since probably I was a kid, you know? | ||
| And I'm just like thinking back like, God, I kind of missed that. | ||
| Had he ever done anything that made him real nervous before like that? | ||
| I didn't ask that, but it seemed like probably not. | ||
| He was a pretty fragile-looking kid, just a young guy. | ||
| That's a big thing to do for your first really nerve-wracking experience, to pull the trigger and end the life of an animal and then hunt and eat it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Even when he killed, it was a very emotional thing. | ||
| He ended up getting one a couple days later. | ||
| Yeah, it was a pretty emotional thing for him and very appreciative. | ||
| How did you get him to calm down for the hunt a couple days later? | ||
| Man, we had so many missed opportunities. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Dude, I got him a whole... | ||
| This was probably opportunity number three or four. | ||
| We pop up over this rise and there's about 40 head of elk about 20 yards from us. | ||
| No joke. | ||
| I could have thrown a rock and hit one. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, there's no time for shooting sticks. | ||
| Pick that cow that's all the way to the right, just pull up and shoot. | ||
| And they're just standing there staring at us, like getting ready to bolt, but 20 yards. | ||
| And so he pulls up over the rise and shoots and misses. | ||
| And they run out about 20 yards, and they're basically trying to jump this barbed wire fence to get down into the draw. | ||
| And when there's that many head of elk, it becomes like a traffic jam. | ||
| It's like they're all having to take their turn to get over. | ||
| So there's a couple in the back still just standing there, and I'm like, dude, pick one of those shits. | ||
| Shoot. | ||
| So he doesn't even jack a bullet in there. | ||
| I have to like reload the gun because he's just like pulls up again, shoots, misses. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| I jack another one in. | ||
| It's his last round in the gun and shoots and misses. | ||
| We empty the gun. | ||
| He misses. | ||
| Doesn't get an elk on that one and that whole herd runs down and disappears. | ||
| And so, you know, I just had to talk to him, you know, like, hey man, this is part of hunting, especially because it's your first time. | ||
| Like, I've been there, like, don't worry about it. | ||
| And he's getting bummed, you know, because, you know, you only get so many opportunities on a hunt. | ||
| And I want him to go home with something, but we're kind of getting down towards, I think he ended up killing on the last day. | ||
| So we're getting down to the wire here. | ||
| And finally we found one that was bedded up and we like came in and just sat on it for like an hour before it finally got up and it fed out into a clearing and he was sitting and I put the tripod up and he got a very, very steady shot and made a perfect shot and dropped it. | ||
| Well, that's a very big change for him, right? | ||
| A big confidence booster, I'm sure. | ||
| Once he's done it and experienced it and knows what it's like, it's so hard for people, man. | ||
| It's so hard. | ||
| It is, man. | ||
| It's a difficult thing. | ||
| The fact that you're taking a life of something is hard in itself and then if you've never been like an athlete or somebody that's been put in that moment of truth situation to where you have nerves and you have to figure out... | ||
| With your mind going into that red zone, calm the fuck down. | ||
| What it takes for you to get out of that red zone and get into that calm state. | ||
| If you don't know how to do that, you're just like, what do I do? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It's complete chaos. | ||
| You know, it's cool being able to, for me, to kind of teach a lot of these people that have never done it before and just kind of, you know, get them through that situation and then gain that confidence, have them gain that confidence after the fact. | ||
| And then, not only that, now you have all kinds of amazing meat to feed your friends, your family, and live off for the rest of the year. | ||
| Like, how cool is that? | ||
| Have you had guys do it for their first time and then come back again and become more seasoned? | ||
| He's one of them. | ||
| He's coming back. | ||
| We have a moose hunt up in Newfoundland this year. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And he's going to go do that with us. | ||
| That's supposed to be a great place to hunt moose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Johnny Cash hunted moose up there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I didn't even know that. | ||
| There's a cool picture of Johnny Cash from... | ||
| I want to say it was like early 60s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like dressed like normal. | ||
| No way. | ||
| You know, like wearing like farmer clothes with a flannel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at that fucking radio he's got. | ||
| He's got his collar popped. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| He's got his collar popped. | ||
| He's got a jean jacket on. | ||
| It looks like hunting moose in Newfoundland. | ||
| I'm going to have to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently it's a very moose-rich environment, right? | ||
| Is that the story about up there? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Now, how hard is it going to be to get up there? | ||
| So the situation right now is if everybody's vaccinated. | ||
| So luckily, we only have four clients. | ||
| Three of the guys are from Canada. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So they're good. | ||
| And they're all vaccinated anyways. | ||
| And then this guy was vaccinated. | ||
| So basically just to go do the hunt. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Some dedication right there. | ||
| Yeah, and what about you? | ||
| Do you have to fly in and do you have to quarantine or test or anything like that? | ||
| I'm actually not going on that one. | ||
| So that one is basically we're working on, I think, Scotty Lago. | ||
| I don't know if you know who that is. | ||
| He's a pro snowboarder. | ||
| He's going to be our guy on that one to go out there and hang with everyone and hunt. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| So you have other guys that work for you as guides as well. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| How many guides do you have that you work with? | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| And these guys, we call them the pro staff guys. | ||
| They're basically just different UFC fighters. | ||
| We have actors, pro ballplayers, Scotty snowboarders, kind of a just mix of... | ||
| Celebrities, if you will. | ||
| Basically, we subcontract guides that already have stuff up and running. | ||
| So there's going to be professional guides there guiding. | ||
| And then we just send our group and our pro staff guy to go out there and hunt with them. | ||
| And they hang out, shoot the shit around camp. | ||
| Basically, the idea with fins and feathers was... | ||
| Creating that camaraderie that you don't really get anywhere else except for hunt camp. | ||
| You've been there, you've seen it, you've felt it. | ||
| Sitting around a campfire at night, whether you're, you know, someone singing, playing a guitar, I've had that happen where everyone's kind of having some drinks, hanging out, telling stories. | ||
| Like, you can't really get that anywhere else, man. | ||
| You go through the highs and the lows of the hunt, you know, and you can go to an autograph signing, meet these guys, shake their hand, maybe take a picture, and then that's pretty much it. | ||
| Is it a weird thing, though, when you go take a guy out of the woods that you don't know? | ||
| You know, like, you don't know who's going to fall apart. | ||
| You don't know who's going to be in shape. | ||
| You don't know who can handle pressure. | ||
| I mean, that happens, you know. | ||
| As far as... | ||
| Having somebody not be a cool dude. | ||
| We've had, thank God, we launched this back in 2015. We haven't had anybody really weird. | ||
| That was always my concern. | ||
| Like, wake up in the middle of the night. | ||
| Some fucking crazy person that you're in a tent with. | ||
| Everyone's been cool that way. | ||
| But yeah, we've had guys fall apart on hunts. | ||
| There's been pig hunts where we have guys that are A little bit overweight or a lot a bit overweight and it's tough for them to get to certain places. | ||
| We see animals and they're like, I'm sorry dude, I just can't do that. | ||
| I think it's a good thing for these guys though because it's a slap in the face. | ||
| That really shows you In that moment, fuck, I've got to change my life. | ||
| There's things I need to do different because this is ridiculous. | ||
| I'm not going to go be a successful hunter and fill my freezer because I can't physically get to the damn thing. | ||
| So I think he ended up getting one later, but he even said after, he's like, man, this is definitely eye-opening for me. | ||
| So I had to change some stuff, so that's pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, I've talked to guys who took a hunter out, like guides who took a hunter out one year, and then, you know, the guy was just absolutely exhausted. | ||
| Then the guy comes back next year 40 pounds lighter and realizes, like, yeah, how to make some changes. | ||
| That's pretty cool, man. | ||
| That's one of the reasons I wanted to do fins and feathers. | ||
| Like, A, you know, it was something that I decided, like, how could I make some money doing something I absolutely love in the outdoor industry after I'm done fighting? | ||
| And so that was kind of the main thing. | ||
| But then also... | ||
| How do I share this passion with so many different people or teach this to people that have never had it in their life? | ||
| You know, I have tons of buddies that their dad's never hunted. | ||
| Like there's nobody in their life that even would introduce them to it, but they're like excited to learn. | ||
| You know, and there's a ton of clients that come in that are in that same situation. | ||
| Like, dude, I've never hunted. | ||
| I've never fished. | ||
| You know, no one in my family ever did it. | ||
| I didn't know how to do it. | ||
| How do I get into it? | ||
| So I show them how to go through their hunter safety course. | ||
| And then, you know, then they come out and hunt with us. | ||
| And I teach them like, okay, this is what stocking is. | ||
| And like, we break it down. | ||
| And, you know, after the harvest, this is how we field dress them and get the meat all prepared and take it home. | ||
| And then, what's super cool is that I get pictures all the time from these guys, like, of recipes they've created with those animals. | ||
| And, you know, it's them and their families, and everyone's just super happy, man. | ||
| It's, like, so heartwarming for me to be a part of that type of journey for someone that had thought that they could never get into it, you know? | ||
| It's just fucking cool. | ||
| That's very cool. | ||
| That's very cool. | ||
| Yeah, it's an immensely satisfying thing when you can go out and get your own food, and then when you're eating that, you're never going to forget the experience you had, like the difficult times you had, you know, hunting, stalking, just the physical fitness aspect of it. | ||
| I mean, that's the thing that people... | ||
| A lot of people just don't know how much cardio it takes to do a mountain hunt. | ||
| Like, you have to be in some serious shape. | ||
| I remember the first time I went with Rinella, we went to Montana, and we were in the Missouri breaks, you know, and we were, you know, going through these... | ||
| Hills and mountain ranges. | ||
| And I remember at the end of the day, you know, we had hiked for like fucking eight hours. | ||
| Was that the mule deer hunt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I remember like thinking like, holy shit, like this is, I'm like, I'm glad I work out. | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| If you're a person who doesn't ever work out at all, like how hard is this? | ||
| It's hard, man. | ||
| It's difficult. | ||
| And then, you know, even on these elk hunts, I'd say elk is probably one of the harder, for sure, especially if it's a pack-in type hunt. | ||
| A, because it's a big animal, you harvest that thing, like you said, 15 miles back in there. | ||
| It's a lot of fucking work getting that meat out. | ||
| I think that's probably the pinnacle of it, but mule deer hunting, you're in those types of situations you've never been in before, hiking those big ass mountains. | ||
| Dude, it's crazy. | ||
| That doll sheep hunt we did last year? | ||
| I'd say that's probably the hardest hunt I've ever done. | ||
| We did just over 90 miles in 10 days of hiking. | ||
| Oh God! | ||
| We went up and over like four or five different mountain ranges. | ||
| I remember the first day we hiked to the one and we're glassing and a fucking doll sheep's bright white so you can see it on that dark open hillside like 20 miles away, you know? | ||
| And it's like, oh, there's definitely sheep over there. | ||
| We're going to have to get a closer look, though. | ||
| So you see like one, two, three, four mountain ranges. | ||
| And our guide's like, you see that fourth range? | ||
| Yeah, we're going to go up and over that by the end of this. | ||
| And me and my buddies all look at each other like, the fuck we are? | ||
| I'm not doing that shit. | ||
| I'm like, can we get a helicopter or something? | ||
| But, you know, you break it up, you're doing 8 to 15 miles a day depending, you know, and it's just, I mean, I remember there was days where the climb was so long, you're climbing and it's one of those like, step, kick your toe in, step up. | ||
| Step, kick your toe in, step up. | ||
| And you're doing that for like five hours straight. | ||
| You know, you take a break every once in a while, sip, snack, whatever you do, and then you're just kicking, toeing up, kicking toe up. | ||
| Are you using mountaineering boots? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, I'm using very stiff-soled boots. | ||
| I think that when I was using some crispies that, you know, it was a very, very high-end, basically meant for the sheep type terrain. | ||
| How do you know, like, I wear crispies too a lot of times. | ||
| How do you know what boot to choose for a hunt like that? | ||
| Because if you've never done a doll sheep hunt before, I basically asked around. | ||
| I have a bunch of buddies that have done a lot of that stuff and it's, you know, obviously I can do some research online but It's typical online. | ||
| You can get an answer over here that's one way, and then you can get an answer over here that's completely different. | ||
| For me, I like asking buddies that have actually been there and done it firsthand. | ||
| I had a bunch of buddies that had hunted in Alaska, and they all steered me towards, I don't know, it was maybe two or three different boots, and then I just basically chose one of them and went with it. | ||
| Did you have to break it in first? | ||
| I did. | ||
| I got those boots probably three months, maybe two months before my hunt and was just loading up my Kuyu pack and basically crushing it daily with a hike. | ||
| There's a good area close to my house that basically it's... | ||
| Fucking straight up and straight down for like four or five miles and you hike down to the river and then you're basically hiking straight back out of this canyon and that's what I would do for training with you know obviously leading up I would start off with a lighter amount of weight and then as I got closer I was getting heavier and heavier and heavier until I think I was at like 70 or 80 pounds of my pack and that's what I was doing at the end and then I think my pack was about 55 or 60 pounds total with everything gun and everything water. | ||
| And that's basically what I was packing around out there. | ||
| People don't know. | ||
| They don't know how hard it is, right? | ||
| And I didn't fucking get one. | ||
| That's part of the hunt. | ||
| We did over 90 miles. | ||
| We were back there living out of a backpack for 10 days. | ||
| Did you get close? | ||
| Well, we saw over 150 sheep. | ||
| There's tons of sheep, but there was a huge winter kill-off That year of all the mature rams. | ||
| So for people that don't know, a doll sheep ram has to be of legal age. | ||
| So it has to be at least eight years old. | ||
| And how you tell, and this is the most fucked thing ever, is you have to get close enough to them and count the rings that are on their horn. | ||
| Yeah, the growth rings. | ||
| And it's like they have false annuals, false ones, basically. | ||
| So, you know, basically what the guide was telling us is sometimes So basically how they get these rings is when they go through winter and food is very scarce and their body goes into basically like shock. | ||
| They're pretty much like so run down that all their energy source goes into staying alive. | ||
| So their horns stop growing. | ||
| And then when snow melts off and things start getting green and lush and life gets easy again, they're like, fuck, okay. | ||
| And then they start growing. | ||
| And so that's what causes those rings. | ||
| Every year they go through that winter, they get that ring. | ||
| And this, you know, this is what the guide was telling us is sometimes, you know, the snow will start to melt off and, you know, stuff starts blooming and they start thinking, okay, shit, it's time to start growing again. | ||
| Their body starts growing and then a huge winter storm will come and be like, psych! | ||
| And just, like, fuck them up. | ||
| And so basically it'll cause those false annuli, which if you don't know what you're looking at, sometimes you're like, oh, that's definitely a ring. | ||
| And guys kill sheep that are seven years old, not eight. | ||
| And you're screwed, man. | ||
| You're in so much show. | ||
| You know, they take it from you, you lose your hunting license, you get fined. | ||
| I think there's even some instances, if it's bad enough, jail time. | ||
| Like it's legit. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, you know, in Alaska you have to have a guide with you. | ||
| You can't just go out there as a non-resident and hunt. | ||
| So you have to have a guide. | ||
| Your guide obviously has to know the age. | ||
| And it's on you, too. | ||
| So if I listen to my guide and he's like, oh, it's definitely eight. | ||
| Shoot it. | ||
| And we walk up and it's seven. | ||
| I'm fucked, too. | ||
| Because I listen to my guide. | ||
| I have to... | ||
| Like, it's on me and him. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And so it has to be eight... | ||
| Broomed off, meaning the tips are broken off, or a full curl. | ||
| So the tips of the horns have to come up and break the profile of its neck. | ||
| So eight and shitty horns, you still can't shoot it? | ||
| No, if it's eight, you can still shoot it if you can count eight rings. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So even if he has shitty genetics and it's like a half curl, but he's eight, he's legal. | ||
| Or if he's five and just great genetics and he's a full curl, he's legal. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Or if he's busted off, they call it broomed. | ||
| And I don't know why exactly that makes him legal. | ||
| I'm guessing they figure the mature rams are the only ones that get so long. | ||
| Well, I guess it makes sense. | ||
| He probably was full curl. | ||
| And what they say is it starts blocking their vision, so they bust those off. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| To break it down here so that now they can see. | ||
| How do they break them off? | ||
| On rocks and... | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Even feeding in areas where they're eating some of the lichen. | ||
| I think they're rubbing on rocks when they're those real long rams. | ||
| Speaking of lichen, have you ever done a caribou hunt? | ||
| I want to. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| That's definitely on the bucket list. | ||
| That's a crazy hunt, man. | ||
| I've heard just the terrain, like making your way over those weird patches. | ||
| What do they call those things? | ||
| They're essentially like small stumps, but it's like moss, and in between them it's like marshy. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| It's supposedly a nightmare to traverse, because you're stepping on these things, and everywhere you go you could jack your ankle. | ||
| And then if you're packing out, like if you shoot a caribou and then you got to get it out of there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know Rinella's done quite a few of them up there and it looks awesome. | ||
| It looks awesome. | ||
| It looks like a tough hunt for sure. | ||
| Like it can be as far as even finding them. | ||
| But I've also seen hunts where they come across that migration and there's just thousands of them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They just catch it perfect. | ||
| The other thing is with Alaska. | ||
| Alaska is really interesting where you can't hunt the day you fly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you have to fly, and then if you fly and land, and then you are there when the migration hits, you're like, fuck! | ||
| And then you have to literally go follow them. | ||
| And then, again, like we said, traversing that stuff is a nightmare. | ||
| They might have moved 30 miles down the road. | ||
| And so you have to... | ||
| And the huge, wide-open expanses where these caribou are roaming through, too. | ||
| It looks wild out there. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| And I've eaten caribou, and it's amazing meat, too. | ||
| That's what I've heard. | ||
| Yeah, it's really good. | ||
| I haven't had it, but I've heard it's incredible. | ||
| Rinella did a hunt up there with Tim Ferriss, and a grizzly smelled their meat and started running towards them, and he had to scare it off. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all on video. | ||
| It's fucking wild. | ||
| Rinella's had a few grizzly encounters on video. | ||
| Two on video where they had to scare him off with guns, and then, of course, the one on a Fognac Island where they didn't capture it on video because they were actually eating lunch when the bear bum-rushed him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Dude, that's crazy. | ||
| He's been around so many. | ||
| We saw a couple up there on that sheep hunt. | ||
| I think we saw two grizzlies and a big black bear, but they were way the fuck away. | ||
| They're a strange thing to behold, right? | ||
| They're huge. | ||
| They're so big. | ||
| I can't imagine one of those things on top of you. | ||
| You're not doing anything to that. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're screwed. | ||
| No. | ||
| My friend Clay Newcomb, he's been on the podcast before, he put out a video recently on bear defense, whether or not you should have bear spray or a pistol, and it's just like... | ||
| I've heard both work, and I've heard instances where neither work. | ||
| It's like, what do you do? | ||
| And again, what's the caliber? | ||
| Some guys say a 9mm actually penetrates better, and some guys say you want a.45 because you want more hit. | ||
| I've heard people shooting and bullets deflecting off their heads because it's so thick. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| No thanks. | ||
| Such a crazy way to go. | ||
| A lady got killed recently who was a biker. | ||
| She was a cyclist. | ||
| I believe it was a lady. | ||
| But there's this cycling path that is very popular. | ||
| And a lot of folks take this cycling path, they bike, mountain bike, and then they stop in this one spot in camp and this bear went into her tent and pulled her out and killed her. | ||
| Dude, that's one of my biggest fears. | ||
| I think about that shit every time I'm camping. | ||
| It's a good fear. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, scoot away from the edge of the tent. | ||
| When you do an archery hunt, do you pack a gun? | ||
| Yeah, so like Montana, you know. | ||
| Anywhere that's grizzly? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And I don't know if you're supposed to, but, you know, it's like, I think if I go to a state and I know that there's tons of grizzlies and you're not supposed to, I'll take the fine over getting eaten alive, you know? | ||
| And I don't, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What caliber do you bring? | ||
| I think I usually bring the.45 or the.40 even I've brought, but, dude, it's like, I don't know. | ||
| I've heard bad things about all calibers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to bring a missile launcher. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
| Can I just pack a rifle? | ||
| Can I have a bazooka? | ||
| They're so fucking big. | ||
| I don't think people will realize how big they are until you see one. | ||
| We were in Montana with my family a few years back. | ||
| We went to this, they have like a sanctuary for grizzlies. | ||
| And you can go there and you pay and you watch these grizzlies. | ||
| I don't know if they were problem bears that they captured. | ||
| I forget what it was. | ||
| But one of the things that they did is they gave these bears frozen watermelons. | ||
| So they had a frozen watermelon. | ||
| Just chewing on it. | ||
| They tear it apart like it's nothing. | ||
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Really? | |
| It's basically a boulder, right? | ||
| It's a rock of ice, but it's a frozen watermelon. | ||
| And this bear just grabs it. | ||
| Like it's nothing, man. | ||
| That's your skull. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your skull is like a zit. | ||
| It's going to pop. | ||
| It's horrific watching that thing eat the watermelon, but it was such an eye-opener because I was like, okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because, you know, we have this... | ||
| Idea about physical strength of anything based on our own physical strength. | ||
| So we see, well, I guess it's stronger than me, but how much stronger? | ||
| Dude, an impossible to imagine level of strength. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| Just biting right through a frozen watermelon like it's nothing. | ||
| And that's that thing not even angry or scared. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Relaxed. | |
| Yeah, if you bumped into that thing and it was terrified and it was coming after you, that's amplified even more. | ||
| That's such a fear of mine, just coming around a corner. | ||
| Even in Alaska, ask all my buddies. | ||
| I'm just terrified. | ||
| I'm like, I'm going to go in the middle of the pack. | ||
| You guys go up there, but I don't want to be the last one in line either. | ||
| Have you ever encountered wolves? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| At Montana Hunt, we'd... | ||
| Me and a buddy of mine, we had just stalked in on a big bull that was screaming with his cows and I closed the distance and flung an arrow right over his back and we hiked out that morning, just tails tucked and we come up on this big sage flat and there's a group of antelope, I don't know, probably... | ||
| 200 yards in front of us and we just sit there and we're watching them feed and they ended up just feeding out of view and we take one more step well there was a big ass wolf like 20 yards in front of us laying under a tree in the shade that we didn't see because we were focused on the antelope And we take one step and that thing jumps up and just takes off in front of us out through the wide open sage flats. | ||
| Dude, that's another thing that people don't realize how big. | ||
| I mean, I didn't know. | ||
| Like seeing one of those things in person, you're like, holy shit. | ||
| That thing is huge. | ||
| How big do you think it was? | ||
| I mean, I would guess that thing probably 180 pounds at least. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, it looked huge. | ||
| Like bigger than any dog I've ever seen. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It was giant. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| Fuck, it could have been 200 pounds. | ||
| It could have been 120 pounds, but it looked giant. | ||
| Probably a little lighter than you think. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Because they're fluffy and, you know, they have all that fur. | ||
| It's head on it. | ||
| I mean, it looked like it was like this, just like a big old dome. | ||
| But, I mean, I'm sure it was thinking about eating some of those antelope that we came up behind them, you know. | ||
| But, no, it was... | ||
| I only saw one once in Alberta, but it was at dusk, and I just saw it run across a road. | ||
| I was like, is that a dog? | ||
| Oh shit, that's a wolf! | ||
| It was a little too big to be a coyote, I think. | ||
| I mean, it might have been a coyote, but I'm pretty sure it was a wolf. | ||
| It was a little too big. | ||
| I've always had something for wolves and werewolves, actually, which is crazy. | ||
| That movie, I grew up watching American Werewolf in London and American Werewolf in Paris, even. | ||
| How dare you mention the two of those in the same time? | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| It's not the same movie, but I remember as a kid that always terrified me more than anything, but I liked watching it. | ||
| I don't know, that's fucking weird, but the thought of a werewolf, that was always something that scared the shit out of me. | ||
| Even going in the woods at night when I'm hunting, hiking out, that shit still scares the shit out of me. | ||
| Not necessarily a werewolf, but just the thought of a wolf or a bear. | ||
| I think the thing is that wolves, like coyotes, we were talking about coyotes being so smart, I think wolves are so smart that a lot of times people decide there's no way an animal can be this smart. | ||
| It must be a person that turned into a wolf. | ||
| I think that's what they thought of. | ||
| I mean, that's just a thought. | ||
| But it's just so strange that this myth persists. | ||
| But it doesn't persist with other animals, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there's not a lot of, like, myths about a person that turns into a bear or a person that turns into... | ||
| I mean, there was that one movie, Cats. | ||
| Do you remember that movie? | ||
| With David Bowie? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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See, these are so green. | |
| Remember that? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I can see for a thousand miles. | ||
| I always think of the Labyrinth, too, with him. | ||
| With Bowie? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he had that movie. | ||
| What was that lady's name? | ||
| Natasha Kinski? | ||
| Is that her name? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really hot lady from the 1980s. | ||
| I think it might have been in the 70s. | ||
|
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Fuck. | |
| What was that movie from? | ||
| Cats. | ||
| I remember the name Cats, and I think I've probably seen stuff about it. | ||
| I bet if we watched it today, we'd probably die laughing. | ||
| It's probably super corny special effects. | ||
| Cat People? | ||
| Is that what it was? | ||
| Was that? | ||
|
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I type, yes. | |
| Cat People? | ||
|
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What a dumb name. | |
| Malcolm McDowell's in there from Clockwork Orange? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Let me see this. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Natasha Kinski. | ||
| Oh. | ||
|
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Let me see some video from this stupid movie. | |
| Because I remember thinking at the time it was the shit. | ||
| Because it was like this really hot lady who turns into a fucking, like a cat. | ||
| This is a movie about crazy people who live with too many cats. | ||
| Is it 82? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now on Blu-ray. | ||
| That was her. | ||
| Do you remember Blu-ray? | ||
| I do. | ||
| They still exist. | ||
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Do they? | |
| People who have home theaters buy Blu-ray. | ||
| So she backs up. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I can't make out with you because I'm a fucking cat! | ||
| I gotta say, I've actually never seen this. | ||
| What's wrong? | ||
| The guy's like, what's wrong? | ||
| Why are you scared of me? | ||
| She's like, bitch, I'm gonna eat you. | ||
| Malcolm McDowell. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Oh shit. | ||
| Oh, she just turns into it? | ||
| That was quick. | ||
| That was it? | ||
| Oh no, no, no. | ||
| Here she comes. | ||
|
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Uh oh. | |
| Oh, she's gonna take her clothes off. | ||
|
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Woo! | |
| She's looking at him. | ||
| That looked like Faber. | ||
| Oh, the woman taking her clothes off, looking back. | ||
|
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1982 was so corny. | |
| Oh, dude. | ||
| The guy breaks through. | ||
| Oh, and she's a cat. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| This is so dumb. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So, wait. | ||
| Is he one, too? | ||
| I guess he's a cat, too. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| They're going to breed like cats? | ||
| I want to see the transformation. | ||
|
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They might have skipped it. | |
| Oh, there has to be. | ||
| Maybe there's no transformation. | ||
|
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That might have been too bad. | |
| They just skipped it. | ||
| I feel like all these movies back then were kind of the same. | ||
| Do you remember Silver Bullet? | ||
| That was another one. | ||
| Yes, Stephen King. | ||
| Silver Bullet. | ||
| We had, obviously, American Werewolf in London. | ||
|
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It wouldn't be in the trailer. | |
| Let me find it. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| It might not have had a scene. | ||
| It might have been... | ||
| I loved all those types of movies. | ||
| I fucking loved them. | ||
| I did too, but they're so bad when you watch them now. | ||
| Oh, they're horrible. | ||
| Silver Bull, it was so terrible. | ||
| It's so bad, but... | ||
|
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Got it. | |
| You got it? | ||
| Oh, it is. | ||
| There is a transformation. | ||
| Oh, she's washing her hands. | ||
| Let's skip ahead a little. | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
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Oh, that's on YouTube? | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| They're showing Titai on YouTube. | ||
| How are they showing Titai? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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Someone missed it. | |
| Yeah, did you show that on the screen? | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| We're not watching it. | ||
| We're getting in big fucking trouble. | ||
| Really? | ||
| A minute of tit. | ||
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That's a solid minute of tit. | |
| A solid tit minute. | ||
| Yeah, that's nice. | ||
| What's gonna happen? | ||
| Come on, let's get going. | ||
| Oh, she's with a regular white dude. | ||
| That guy's fucked. | ||
| Oh, here she goes. | ||
| Claws. | ||
| She's showing more titty. | ||
| Super important. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The brows are changing. | ||
| The eyeballs, right? | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| This is like an excuse to show her tits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoa, the face. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Ooh, that's kind of creepy. | ||
| Dude, this is great. | ||
| I bet she's going to do that and then immediately be a cat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I bet they're going to turn away. | ||
| Oh, the claws. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And he's sleeping. | ||
|
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What a sucker. | |
| Oh, the back. | ||
| Oh, the titties are going away. | ||
| Come on. | ||
|
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Dude, that's brutal. | |
| Oh, it comes out of the skin. | ||
| She popped out of the skin. | ||
| Get off me. | ||
| Oh, it's wrestling with him? | ||
|
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Get off me. | |
| This is my biggest fear. | ||
| I'm waking up in my tent for this. | ||
| And it just runs away. | ||
| What a whack movie. | ||
| Dude, that's crazy. | ||
| This movie's whack. | ||
| I've never even heard of it. | ||
| The crazy thing is it seems like she's changing and then it bursts out of her. | ||
| And it's like a cat. | ||
| Her skin just goes away. | ||
| There's a cat inside of her. | ||
| Well, you know, it's like 1982 special effects. | ||
|
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It bursts. | |
| And the fucking cat comes out. | ||
|
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It looks like a gorilla. | |
| There's no better transformation scene than American Werewolf. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| When the guy's lying on the floor of that girl's apartment. | ||
| Yeah, extend out. | ||
| His fucking back is popping, all the hair's coming out. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| I had Rick Baker on the podcast. | ||
| Mm-mm. | ||
| Yeah, I had him on. | ||
| Oh my god, it was amazing. | ||
| I'm gonna have to watch that. | ||
| It was so cool just to just be around that guy. | ||
| I worshipped him when I was a kid. | ||
| I wanted to be a makeup artist at one point in time when I was a kid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I wanted to do special effects for monster movies. | ||
| I was like, that guy is so cool. | ||
| Like all the stuff that he did for Star Wars and I mean so many films, man. | ||
| That is awesome. | ||
| So many movies that guy did special effects for, but... | ||
| But yeah, man, those kind of animals, whether it's big cats or wolves, there's something about them. | ||
| I'm glad they exist. | ||
| It's something dope about running into one. | ||
| I've only seen mountain lions a couple times. | ||
| I saw one in the distance in Colorado and one when I was in Santa Barbara. | ||
| I was in Montecito and we were driving and I saw one run across the street. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, at night. | ||
| At first I thought it was a coyote, and then I saw the tail. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, look at his fucking tail. | ||
| That's a cat! | ||
| And I realized it was a mountain lion. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| I've only seen a handful in the wild, and they give me the chills every single time. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| I'm glad they're real, but that would be a suck way to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see recently that video of the hiker? | ||
| Yeah, we played it a bunch of times. | ||
| I would have shit. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I would have been done. | ||
| Yeah, and he was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Wish I had a gun. | ||
| Yeah, but that was another case of a mama and her cubs. | ||
| You don't fuck with a mama and her cubs, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's really lucky that's all she did, you know, instead of just tagging him. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| She was like, get out of here. | ||
| Just ripping his fucking face off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's really lucky. | ||
| He's really, really, really lucky. | ||
| But the way it ran at him with the paws. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He just smacked. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I didn't know they did that. | ||
| I've never seen one do that, and I don't want to. | ||
| I guess you only see it right before you die, you know? | ||
| That's probably why we haven't seen it before. | ||
| All you ever see is them moving slowly, unless you're watching. | ||
| There's some pretty cool trail cam footage of them jacking deer. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen some of those. | ||
| Deer's drinking out of a guzzler, and wham! | ||
| Just smacks it. | ||
| Fast and hard, just come in on them. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| They're amazing animals, but again, that's one of the things that you appreciate about the wild when you're out there, is that if you didn't exist, this is how it all goes down. | ||
| It's wolves and bears and mountain lions and deer and elk and all these animals trying to survive, and it's just... | ||
| It's a magical place, man. | ||
| I wish more people would experience it, and I'm really glad that someone like you has this service with fins and feathers where you'll take people out that don't have any experience whatsoever in that world, and you can introduce it to them. | ||
| I mean, for a fan, what a great thing to be able to hang with you for a week and to be able to be introduced to the wild. | ||
| Yeah, if we can basically teach them enough to be able to provide for themselves for the rest of their life. | ||
| For me, that's awesome. | ||
| It's pretty dope. | ||
| It's pretty fucking cool. | ||
| So your website for that is, how do people get to it? | ||
| Finsandfeathers.com, and we spell fins and feathers with a Z. What are you, wacky? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, somebody else had the other one and they wouldn't sell it to us. | ||
| What is on there? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I've never even looked. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, don't go to the one with the S. No S's, we want Z's. | ||
| If you want to go hang with Chad Mendez, you need the Z's. | ||
| Fins and feathers. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And then peak refuel. | ||
| And then your almond beef is your company. | ||
| So what was that? | ||
| The almond beef is like they're just eating almonds? | ||
| Yeah, so basically what we do, here's kind of the thought, the reasoning why we started this company is we were kind of talking about it earlier. | ||
| Wanting, at least for me, I get hit up a ton from people like, dude, I see all the elk that you got or the deer. | ||
| Can I buy some? | ||
| And it's like, I can't legally sell you any wild game. | ||
| Plus, I don't know you. | ||
| I'm not going to just ship you a bunch of meat. | ||
| But I was like, how can we create something, like in the beef industry, that is as close as we can possibly get to the health benefits of wild game? | ||
| And so we basically take these cows, most of them Angus, we do some Angus Cross, and And pasture-raised, no hormones, no antibiotics, no soy, no corn. | ||
| We pasture-raised them the last 150 days. | ||
| We basically feed these steers our proprietary blend of feed, which is almonds. | ||
| I mean, my team's probably not going to want me to say this, but I think this is probably one of our most important selling points on the beef, but is the healthy diet that they're eating. | ||
| But it's almonds, the almond whole, which is like that fuzzy part on the outside. | ||
| Tons of fiber, tons of protein. | ||
| Tons of fat, obviously from an almond. | ||
| We got sunflower seeds, the shells, prune, prune pit, beet pulp, like the pulp from the skin and all that stuff. | ||
| Brown rice. | ||
| So when they polish brown rice to make it white rice, they take all that healthy stuff off of it. | ||
| We throw all that shit in there. | ||
| And then we do like alfalfa and then some type of roughage, like a barley hay or something like that. | ||
| So like I said, no soy, no corn. | ||
| And that feed, which is super high-octane, high in fat, high in protein, high in carbohydrates, is all we feed them for the last 100 to 150 days, which basically we were kind of testing all this out over the last year or so. | ||
| And just seeing the type of marbling it's giving this beef, it's obviously leaving them super tender. | ||
| Meat's phenomenal. | ||
| I got some out. | ||
| Go ahead and try it and see what you think. | ||
| Yeah, I'm really interested in trying it. | ||
| The fat on it has almost like a buttery, nutty flavor. | ||
| Because of the almonds? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Do they have the dark texture to the meat the same like grass-fed beef does? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It varies. | ||
| Our meat is frozen. | ||
| So basically what we do is it's frozen. | ||
| It's basically like a butcher box or something like that where you can go on and Order whatever cuts you want on our website and then it shows up frozen on your doorstep. | ||
| When it's not frozen, like if you get that beef and it's fresh off, it's so dark. | ||
| It's like that really rich looking stuff, but obviously once it freezes, you know, you lose a little bit of that. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's something that's unique. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| We wanted to do something that was healthier in the beef world. | ||
| Obviously, it's not quite wild game, and I can't sell wild game, but we wanted to create something that was healthier in that sense, where people can go online, they can feel confident knowing these are humanely raised. | ||
| They don't have a ton of... | ||
| Shit pumped in them. | ||
| And they're eating a good diet, you know? | ||
| And this is all family-owned operations. | ||
| So it's me and four other buddies that started this. | ||
| And one of our guys is one of the biggest almond growers in Northern California. | ||
| So we get a lot of our almonds from him, which is cool. | ||
| You know, it's all family owned, the Merlot family. | ||
| And then, you know, the other two guys that are part of it have been in the cattle industry their whole lives. | ||
| So they know that world like the back of their hand. | ||
| And then me and my good buddy, Chad Belding, he's the owner and the host of Fowl Life TV on the Outdoor Channel. | ||
| So me and him are kind of, you know, obviously the people that are just letting people know about this stuff. | ||
| And so... | ||
| You know, we launched at the beginning of the year. | ||
| It's been a ton of work. | ||
| I mean, fuck. | ||
| I never thought I was going to be in the beef industry, but it's like, holy fuck. | ||
| So what is the website? | ||
| How do people find it? | ||
| AmericanAlmondBeef.com. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they're all going to make fun of me because they call them Ammons. | ||
| I don't know if you ever heard these guys. | ||
| Northern California, they say Ammons. | ||
| They call them Ammons? | ||
| Ammons. | ||
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Really? | |
| They shake the L out of them, is what they say. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, they call them American almond, like a handful of almonds. | ||
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What? | |
| All the farmers call it that, yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Have you ever heard that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like, uh, you ever hear people call it acorns? | ||
| Acorns? | ||
| No. | ||
| Acorns? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like a South thing. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I say almonds. | ||
| Yeah, it's an almond, you fucks. | ||
| Cut the shit. | ||
| American almond beef. | ||
| Imagine if you said, yeah, we run a company called American Almond Beef. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is an almond? | ||
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I searched Google for almonds and it's telling me almonds. | |
| How do you say the word? | ||
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And there's a bunch of articles talking about that. | |
| So it is only on Northern California? | ||
| I think it's just a Northern California farmer. | ||
| All the farmers call it that for some reason. | ||
| And they look at you weird if you say almond. | ||
| They look at you weird. | ||
| Like you're an outsider if you're saying it right. | ||
| Well, either way, I'm sure the beef is delicious. | ||
| I can't wait to try it out. | ||
| But thanks for being here, brother. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I'm glad we finally do this. | ||
| And good luck in your fight. | ||
| So October 22nd? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| October 22nd. | ||
| And that'll be on Bearknock. | ||
| They do pay-per-view, right? | ||
| They do, yeah. | ||
| And I think it's kind of similar to the UFC. You download an app. | ||
| I think you can do stuff from the app. | ||
| I think it's the fight app, right? | ||
| F-I-T-E? Isn't that what it is? | ||
| Glory uses that, too, I think. | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| And Chad Mendes on Instagram, Twitter, all those things, right? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| So we have the... | ||
| Yeah, we're all there. | ||
| You guys can... | ||
| Chad Mendes on... | ||
| And it's with an S. A lot of people think it's with a Z. Only fins and feathers with a Z. Yeah, only with a Z's. | ||
| All right, brother. | ||
| Thanks for being here, man. | ||
| Thank you so much, man. | ||
| I appreciate it. |
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