July 6, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train by day. | ||
| Joe Rogan Podcast by night. | ||
| All day. | ||
| Adam Curry. | ||
| Joe Rogan. | ||
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The Podfather. | |
| You are the Podfather. | ||
| There can be only one. | ||
| Joe Rogan, since you recertified me as the Podfather, my life has been so enriched since March of 2020. You have given me just an incredible new lease on professional life. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| It's been fantastic. | ||
| Well, I didn't have to recertify you. | ||
| Everybody knows. | ||
| You're the original. | ||
| Without you, there are no podcasts. | ||
| But, you know, there are a lot of podcast listeners who are on the scene now, and they're too young to have even... | ||
| This is 18 years ago when podcasting was first developed. | ||
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That's so crazy. | |
| 18 years ago. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| So they know it maybe from Serial 2016 or so. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We're 11 years... | ||
| This show's in the neighborhood. | ||
| It's close to 11 years old. | ||
| It's like 10 and a half years old. | ||
| But you... | ||
| Like 18 years. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the way it's evolved has been pretty interesting. | ||
| It is interesting, right? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| The way it's evolving on YouTube is very bizarre. | ||
| Because there's folks that, up until fairly recently, only did their show on YouTube. | ||
| And now I think some of those folks are starting to branch out, and they're doing them on other platforms as well. | ||
| Well, you know why. | ||
| With the censorship. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of spooky. | ||
| And, you know, people think that, well, you have to do something to combat misinformation and... | ||
| You know, we were talking the other day about Yuval Noah Harati, the author who wrote Sapiens. | ||
| He had a segment on his Instagram where he's talking about misinformation on the internet and about how when books first came out, the most popular books weren't books on Galileo. | ||
| No, it was gossip. | ||
| Gossip crap. | ||
| Well, he was saying that it was about witches and how to spot witches. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And then countless people were killed because people were convinced that these How to Spot Witches books were good, and so they were going around trying to spot witches and kill them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This was, at the invention of the printing press, this was like one of the first early uses of it. | ||
| I had not heard that, but when he said it, it was like, bing! | ||
| Oh, of course! | ||
| Have you seen the Great, the Captain the Great series? | ||
| No. | ||
| And I think a lot of it may actually be historically true, although it's completely a comedy. | ||
| Like, you know, she apparently had sex with her horse, and there's some historical evidence of that. | ||
| Yeah, supposedly did, right? | ||
| Did she die having sex with the horse? | ||
| Did the horse fall on her or something? | ||
| You know, that's possible. | ||
| There's another series coming out, so it hasn't happened yet. | ||
| Series two is coming. | ||
| Did I spoil it? | ||
| But, you know, according to the Netflix series, she brought the printing press into the country, and then they started printing gossip stuff, which people liked a lot more than anything else. | ||
| Oh, yeah, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that still holds true. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Now, do you consider YouTube, you don't consider a podcast, do you? | ||
| I mean, it's kind of a podcast. | ||
| It's the same thing, right? | ||
| I mean, this podcast, for the longest time, was on YouTube. | ||
| And it's still on YouTube in clip form. | ||
| But, I mean, what is the difference between, like, what we do and, you know, maybe what, like, Tim Poole, does he have? | ||
| What? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| History.com says this is all misinformation. | ||
| People like talking shit about her. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| And it got printed. | ||
| And what source is telling me I'm full of shit? | ||
| History.com. | ||
| Oh, well, of course. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| With a name like History.com. | ||
| You're not full of shit. | ||
| I'm full of shit. | ||
| Because I said that she died fucking a horse. | ||
| That's just people talking trash about her? | ||
| Yeah, she's like the vilified her. | ||
| Oh, well, there it is. | ||
| There's the words on the screen that must be true. | ||
| She had become a vilified representative of the... | ||
| How do you say that word? | ||
| Ainsen? | ||
| Ancien? | ||
| I can't even read without my glasses. | ||
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A-N-C-I-E-N? Maybe it's supposed to be ancient and I just forgot the T. Oh, maybe. | |
| So that kind of discredits the authenticity and the... | ||
| Unless that's a word. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Because Ancien is a word, like a name. | ||
| Asia. | ||
| Yeah, the same kind of pornographic libels that have been used against Marie Antoinette... | ||
| We're ready to be deployed against her. | ||
| Revolutionary presses happily poured out the same kind of polemic prose that depicted Catherine as prey to her voracious sexual appetite. | ||
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Woo! | |
| British presses... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I had heard that that was the same with... | ||
| Someone sent me something about Elizabeth Bathory. | ||
| Do you know who she was? | ||
| No. | ||
| Elizabeth Bathory was supposedly this very evil woman who murdered a lot of young women. | ||
| And she was a royal. | ||
| And that she... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, it says serial killer, but what this guy said to me, because apparently, well, the story was that she would find these young peasant women and murder them, and she would bathe in their blood in an attempt to try to regain her youth. | ||
| And to get the adrenochrome. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| So they found out that she had done this, and then because she was a royal, she wasn't killed. | ||
| She was just sort of locked in a tower for the rest of her life, and she died under house arrest. | ||
| But someone sent me a link to a story, because we were talking about it on the podcast. | ||
| I forget which friend of mine sent it to me. | ||
| Where was disputing that and saying that she was framed thus to steal her land because she was a woman and this woman owned large swaths of land as a royal and they wanted to take over her land and the way they could take over her land was to say that she was a murderer and that she had been murdering young peasants and they framed her with this crime. | ||
| The older I get the more I realize how much history that I've learned or have read Could likely be completely full of shit. | ||
| There's always multiple ways of viewing a situation historically. | ||
| I think it's kind of in our brain, the idea that you can see something, I can see the same thing, and we interpret that differently, and I think that's truth, and you think that's something else's truth. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And whoever writes the history literally writes the history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that you can look at after World War II. We got to write the history. | ||
| It's a little more complex, all the things that happened in Europe and with Russia. | ||
| There's lots of ways of looking at it. | ||
| Let's think about the history of... | ||
| First of all, I want to get into the history of Julian Assange, but is that true? | ||
| I'm just digging through the Wikipedia on her. | ||
| It's around the time of Hungary, Transylvania, so it sounds like vampire time period. | ||
| She's been credited with somewhere in the range of 650 deaths. | ||
| There was a lot of witnesses in the trial, but there was a theory about what you're saying, and then someone's trying to counter it, and that's what I was reading through right now. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if this guy, what the guy said to me, the other thing is people love, even if a story's true, people love stories that point that it might not be true. | ||
| That's even more exciting than the... | ||
| It's human nature. | ||
| Like, oh, you think that's a true story, but I know the true, true story. | ||
| This is what fuels Twitter and most of social media. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| By the way, I've noticed, I was just thinking this morning, Twitter is actually incredibly racist. | ||
| Twitter the machine. | ||
| How so? | ||
| So I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. | ||
| So I get Bitcoin Twitter. | ||
| I get it in my feed. | ||
| But, you know, I do a show with Mo, MoFax. | ||
| I follow different black Americans. | ||
| But I don't get black Twitter. | ||
| It doesn't give me all the stuff. | ||
| I mean, I get all the Bitcoin stuff just by following a few people. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| And I never see anything. | ||
| I never see different languages. | ||
| I never see anything from Asia. | ||
| So it's making decisions there that I think are inherently bigoted. | ||
| But don't you have to follow people? | ||
| I know. | ||
| So I follow a couple people that I would consider in black Twitter, and I just don't get the stuff in my feed. | ||
| And from them, a little bit. | ||
| But they're not really giving me the full fire hose. | ||
| It's like, no matter what I try to do to train the algo, it's very difficult. | ||
| I get a pretty decent feed of it. | ||
| I see it. | ||
| I follow you, so how come I don't get any of it? | ||
| I don't retweet stuff. | ||
| I'm just looking. | ||
| I don't really actively participate. | ||
| I don't want to add it to the algorithm. | ||
| That's almost why. | ||
| That's the game. | ||
| I want to add to the algorithm to find out some stuff, but I just don't get it. | ||
| It won't come to me. | ||
| Twitter is a problem. | ||
| It's great in many ways. | ||
| There's many good things about it. | ||
| It's a great way to get information. | ||
| It's a great way to find out about revolutions that are happening all around the world and disasters and all kinds of other things. | ||
| But it's also a very poor way to communicate. | ||
| And when you're trying to get out complex, nuanced thoughts in 240 characters or 280 characters, whatever it is, it's just not an effective way to do that. | ||
| Maybe it's a good writing exercise. | ||
| It's good for comics who just want to tweet out a quick one line or a joke. | ||
| And would-be comics, which apparently everybody is. | ||
| Well, there's some pretty funny people. | ||
| But a lot of it is, I'm going to see if I can say something funny. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| There's some funny people that just don't happen to be professional comedians, but they're very smart and very funny, and it works for them. | ||
| But it's just as a method of communication, it's so much poorer, so much shittier than this, than talking. | ||
| Which is why even the New York Times had to admit you are too big to cancel. | ||
| Oh, I didn't read that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| That was a weird title, but... | ||
| Of course it is a weird title, but that just shows you, because it all comes from the same places. | ||
| All the stuff is heated up everywhere, on Twitter, Facebook to some degree, but Twitter, I think, really is where it all stems from, and you've got blue checks who are journalists, and it's a very... | ||
| It's a cesspool-y type thing. | ||
| Very cesspool-y. | ||
| I wonder if anybody's done a pie chart of negative to positive or a graph of negative to positive tweets. | ||
| Tweets that are arguments versus tweets that are positive and uplifting. | ||
| Twitter has all that. | ||
| They know exactly what's going on. | ||
| I bet it would be overwhelmingly negative. | ||
| I bet it's more in the neighborhood of like 60%. | ||
| Except they would see that as sticky. | ||
| Sticky. | ||
| They wouldn't say that's negative shit. | ||
| They'd say, that's sticky. | ||
| Why would they say it's sticky? | ||
| Because people stay on their platform. | ||
| They're sticky on the platform. | ||
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Oh, I see. | |
| We can do more with them. | ||
| Like the algorithms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the longer you're on the platform, the more money they make. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know where the censorship is going. | ||
| The censorship disturbs the shit out of me because there was political censorship that was very clear and they made a decision during the election to not release any of the Hunter Biden stuff. | ||
| So they censored the New York Post, which is really crazy because the New York Post is an enormous newspaper. | ||
| It's been around for how many years? | ||
| Hundreds. | ||
| Right? | ||
| At least 80. Yeah, maybe a hundred. | ||
| I think it's more than a hundred years old. | ||
| I think, maybe I don't know. | ||
| It's old. | ||
| It's been around longer than the internet. | ||
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200? | |
| Holy crap. | ||
| 200 years old. | ||
| Okay, so it's been around forever, and it was a real story. | ||
| And they decided that real story could cost Joe Biden the election. | ||
| They wanted Joe Biden to win the election. | ||
| So they decided they will not air that story. | ||
| And so if you put that story in your tweets, they deleted it. | ||
| If you put it on Facebook, they deleted it. | ||
| They made a mass censorship decision that would favor the Democratic Party, which is really weird. | ||
| It's real weird because it's... | ||
| Why do you see it as weird if you know that people who are running these companies, and I'm not talking about Jack Dorsey, but there's a board, there's a lot of money involved, and there's antitrust, this government is involved with them, trying to fuck with them, so there's this give and take. | ||
| There's a lot of things. | ||
| Silicon Valley spends, outside of pharma, probably the most money on lobbying in D.C., And I think there's also a little bit of grandiosite there. | ||
| It's like, we're fucking Twitter. | ||
| We'll do what we think is right. | ||
| And that's what all of this canceling is, or censorship, is, well, that's not right. | ||
| You can't say that it came from a lab. | ||
| That's not right, because here are the people who said it's right. | ||
| It's technocrats. | ||
| It's a technocratic society, and it's coming from Silicon Valley all over government everywhere, really. | ||
| Yeah, it was so obvious. | ||
| That's what was disturbing. | ||
| Because it was like trying to steal something in broad daylight. | ||
| And everyone's like, hey, are you just stealing? | ||
| Are you just stealing from this store? | ||
| Maybe that's not the best example. | ||
| But you're doing something that there's no good argument for censorship. | ||
| It's never been a good thing. | ||
| Even worse than that, today, as long as it's under $950, you can go into a Walmart and steal all you want. | ||
| So there's some lessons here. | ||
| Well, you see what's happening in San Francisco. | ||
| They're being forced to close down stores. | ||
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All of them. | |
| All the Walgreens are closing, yeah. | ||
| Which is just so insane that these fucking politicians think that that's a viable strategy for... | ||
| They think that somehow... | ||
| They were thinking, listen, we're putting people in jail that just want to feed themselves or something. | ||
| Let's not put them in jail. | ||
| But what you don't understand is by saying that and publicizing it, you're literally encouraging people to steal things under $900. | ||
| So you saw the video of the guy in San Francisco. | ||
| He goes in the store with a bike. | ||
| So he rides a bike into the store with a garbage bag, grabs stuff off the shelf, fills the garbage bag, and rides the bike out the door. | ||
| And they literally can do nothing about it. | ||
| I saw the same thing happen myself. | ||
| I was in the CVS on the corner of East Riverside and Pleasant Valley. | ||
| It was maybe 10 at night. | ||
| I was picking something up. | ||
| There's one guy at the cash register. | ||
| And it's just people from the homeless camp on the median there just coming in with their bikes, just taking stuff, walking right out. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And I look at the guy, he's like, I can't do anything. | ||
| I'm not supposed to do anything. | ||
| Not supposed to do anything about people stealing. | ||
| And there's a security guard in the video. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Well, they don't even have that here. | ||
| Zuby had a really good post this morning, like a 20-parter. | ||
| About all the things that really social media is a big part of, but how people will often choose, obviously, security over some liberty, how they would rather be – they'd rather have a little bit of – They'd rather not take a chance and be accepted by the group. | ||
| I mean, these are all very human behaviors. | ||
| And even without social media's direct intervention, the Internet has really created a beautiful place for propagandists to go to work. | ||
| And it's really, really sophisticated, some of this stuff. | ||
| And we don't even know, you don't catch most of it, but so much is being propagandized by corporations mainly, but also, you know, just look at the reporting. | ||
| If we can just touch the third rail, January 6th, you know, this is being rammed down our throats as an insurrection, the most dangerous thing that's ever happened since the Civil War. | ||
| That's our president who said that. | ||
| I mean, I have eyes. | ||
| I saw some of it. | ||
| You know, we haven't seen the 10,000 hours of video that's available. | ||
| But to say that that was a violent insurrection on par with the Civil War or the worst since 9-11 and we need a 9-11 type commission. | ||
| I mean, I'm not blind. | ||
| I watched it live. | ||
| I saw a lot of what was going on. | ||
| It just doesn't seem like... | ||
| There's a truth there between what most would say is, well, we're just walking in between the lines. | ||
| No more happened than that. | ||
| But violent and it killed five people. | ||
| No. | ||
| Three people died of natural causes. | ||
| They were protesters, right? | ||
| Didn't some of the protesters die? | ||
| They had heart attacks? | ||
| Because it's probably the most exciting moment of their life. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It happens. | ||
| You get a big group of people together. | ||
| You know, someone's going to bite the bullet. | ||
| You know, the incessant lying about the one Capitol Hill police officer that he was killed, but he died of a stroke later that night. | ||
| He wasn't killed by a fire extinguisher to the head. | ||
| Yeah, they said they beat him to death. | ||
| Yeah, that just wasn't true. | ||
| But that just keeps being repeated and it just becomes lore, becomes the truth after a while. | ||
| But he likely died because of the stress caused by that. | ||
| Well, that isn't being reported like that. | ||
| The report was he got bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher. | ||
| The thing that bothered me the most that I didn't hear much discussion at all that we've talked about a few times on here is the cops opening up the gates. | ||
| Like, what the fuck was that? | ||
| And taking selfies with people, like the MAGA-loving cops that thought it would be a good idea to open the gates and let the protesters through. | ||
| But again, we've only seen what we've seen, what has been presented to us. | ||
| So everyone has an agenda. | ||
| We don't really know every angle. | ||
| Like, I'm in the studio, and I saw your studio. | ||
| And I had no idea what it would really look like, because I'm just seeing a little piece of it. | ||
| And now I'm here, I'm like, oh, okay, here's the reality of what it really looks like. | ||
| It's a very different type of situation. | ||
| But we've gotten to this place where... | ||
| I'm a conspiracy therapist, right? | ||
| So I look at all different sides. | ||
| So there's one angle that must be discussed, and I think we're the guys to talk about, at least with you is the right place. | ||
| This could have been something similar to the Reichstag fire in Weimar, Germany, which kicked off kind of the whole Nazi Socialist Party by burning down the government building. | ||
| They blamed it on these other groups. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, you've got some political power. | ||
| There's definitely superficial evidence that shows that there may have been people who were instigators, agents provocateurs, who were, A, leading the charge, and that there may have been some cooperation on the other side just to get people in, just to get this whole thing going, just to really create this idea that... | ||
| If you take it to its logical conclusion that 70 million Americans are potentially domestic violent extremists, can be flipped in a heartbeat, you've got to keep your eye on them, and they're typically white and they're typically Republicans. | ||
| That's what this has been turned into. | ||
| Where's the evidence that shows that there was agent provocateurs or that there was some sort of manipulation? | ||
| Well, the FBI says that they did have confidential informants at the event. | ||
| They've admitted that. | ||
| Don't they have confidential informants everywhere? | ||
| I think Jamie's a confidential informant. | ||
| Well, Jamie's your CIA handler. | ||
| We all know that. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Give me a break. | ||
| What's happening next month, Jamie? | ||
| What are we doing next month for the company? | ||
| I'm waiting for my app. | ||
| Pickle factory hasn't set the information yet. | ||
| Well, we know that agent provocateurs are a real thing. | ||
| And we know that they exist throughout history. | ||
| It would be logical to assume that they're in action today and that they are manipulating events. | ||
| One thing to consider is, I think that the Capitol Hill, correct me if I'm wrong, I think I'm right, that was what led them to remove Trump from Twitter, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, that's important. | ||
| Like, you need a thing to happen to remove Trump from Twitter, because Trump on Twitter, he can do a lot of things. | ||
| Well, I think, I don't know if that was the main reason, but that was a part of it. | ||
| There's a lot, politically, and everything's politics as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| Politically, it was very, very powerful because this has just been positioned and reinforced as a violent insurrection. | ||
| And the video evidence just shows otherwise. | ||
| Yeah, there's some people ramming at gates, but all the stuff that we've heard about, all the scary stuff, there's really no evidence of it. | ||
| It may be on the videotape, but we haven't seen it. | ||
| Right, but they did go into an area where they're told not to go into. | ||
| They went unmasked. | ||
| There's a storm of people that went in there. | ||
| It could have turned violent. | ||
| One lady was shot by a police officer. | ||
| There was this threat that they were taking over the Capitol building. | ||
| That is an insurrection, right? | ||
| How do you label that? | ||
| My former neighbor, his wife, is an undercover detective, Austin police. | ||
| And also worked Capitol Hill Police for many, many years. | ||
| And so I had an opportunity to say, you know, after January 6th, what the hell? | ||
| And it was made very clear to me. | ||
| If there was a... | ||
| If they... | ||
| They've shot people throughout history. | ||
| Go look how many people were shot and killed by Capitol Hill police in the Capitol building for just doing crazy shit. | ||
| It's been bombed before. | ||
| It's literal bombs in the Capitol. | ||
| So this has happened. | ||
| These guys don't mess around. | ||
| If you are doing something that is really dangerous, they shoot to kill right away. | ||
| No questions asked. | ||
| They are badass. | ||
| So, that didn't happen. | ||
| And, of course, my neighbor didn't say, well, that was a false flag! | ||
| And I'm not saying that, but it's kind of odd that, well, obviously it wasn't bad enough for them to shoot on sight, or they had orders not to do that, because that is what they do. | ||
| Is that really the only conclusion, though? | ||
| Because there were so many people and so few security guards. | ||
| Once they got past the cops on the outside... | ||
| This Capitol Hill police is not the same as security guards. | ||
| Well, who was the guy? | ||
| There was a video of this one guy telling people to stay back and that they're running up the stairs. | ||
| And he is trying to get away from them. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| So there was, I don't know how many people, but a swarm of people and one security guard with one gun. | ||
| What does he have, 20 rounds if he's lucky? | ||
| What's his magazine hold? | ||
| I mean, he's really fucked. | ||
| He's not going to shoot those guys off. | ||
| And if he does shoot them, he has no idea if they're armed. | ||
| He doesn't know what's going on. | ||
| I don't know if they had enough police officers to stop these people from doing what they're doing. | ||
| Well, that is also very questionable. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why? | ||
| If you know something's coming, they had informants, they knew that people were coming, so you're just not going to staff it up? | ||
| I mean, there's questions about that. | ||
| They didn't think it was dangerous. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| The story has been written. | ||
| It will be completely reinforced. | ||
| These people, this group of people, tried to overthrow our democracy. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| They tried to destroy our democracy. | ||
| Our democracy has never been in so much peril before. | ||
| First of all, we're a republic. | ||
| But, you know, it's like, no, that's just not true. | ||
| Ranked choice voting is probably more dangerous. | ||
| Detrimental to a democracy than what happened on January 6th. | ||
| You follow New York? | ||
| Where they've changed the way you vote? | ||
| How so? | ||
| So instead of voting for mayoral candidate, instead of just voting, I want this guy or this gal to be the mayor, you do number one pick, number two, number three, number four, number five, you go down the line. | ||
| And the last person's votes get removed and they get redistributed amongst the rest, but not number one, I think. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yes, they still haven't figured out exactly who the winner is. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Ranked choice voting. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| So you don't just vote for one person? | ||
| You vote for its rank. | ||
| So you have choice number one, and well, if Eric Adams can't make it, I would like Andrew Yang. | ||
| Yang, if Andrew Yang can't make it, I want this guy. | ||
| That's how it works? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In fact, I think that if we had ranked choice voting for the general election, which I believe is what the Democrats would like it to be, that's part of what House Bill 1 is, or HR 1, is to have ranked choice voting for the general election. | ||
| If that had happened in a previous election, we would have Elizabeth Warren as our president, probably. | ||
| You get mediocre people, I think, with that system. | ||
| It's not really a one person, one vote. | ||
| It's one person, five votes. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| New York City voters will be using the new ranked choice voting system for the June party primary elections for mayor, comptroller, public advocate, borough president, and city council. | ||
| Voters will be able to rank up to five candidates in order of preference, and ranked choice voting eliminates the runoff elections that used to occur in some states for citywide offices. | ||
| So they kind of do a runoff built into the election. | ||
| So if there's no one with more than 50%, which is very, very common in your typical election, then they start to move it around and move the votes from the loser to the second, third, and fourth choice. | ||
| And also you can game it that way. | ||
| So if you absolutely hate Eric Adams, then you're going to put your favorites in a different position knowing that... | ||
| When the loser loses their votes, your person will move up, maybe from three to two. | ||
| I mean, it's mathematics that I don't completely understand, but I know that they don't have results. | ||
| It's still a problem. | ||
| They still don't have the results? | ||
| I don't think so, no. | ||
| So why did they switch to this? | ||
| Control. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| So nobody voted for this? | ||
| This is obviously not, no one said, hey, what a great idea. | ||
| The election committee, the same people who messed up the previous runoff with the, was it the senatorial race? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One person, five votes. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| This is not comfortable. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| I don't like seeing that. | ||
| But we're the best country in the world to go through this. | ||
| We really are. | ||
| Look at what we get to do right now. | ||
| We get to criticize it, talk about it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We got to look at it. | ||
| We still can. | ||
| And other countries just can't do that. | ||
| You'll be shut down. | ||
| And look at the platforms. | ||
| Man, there's a lot of people that... | ||
| I don't think that the mainstream media... | ||
| The mainstream media, even Twitter, is really for politicians. | ||
| It's for their input. | ||
| They're just taking that in and regurgitating it. | ||
| Meanwhile, Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, you know, Brett Weinstein, The No Agenda Show. | ||
| You just keep going on and on and on and on. | ||
| These are millions and millions of millions of people who have tuned out from a whole message and they're tuning into other things, maybe thinking for themselves. | ||
| Of course, being influenced, but at least there's diversity. | ||
| It's not just the news that is telling us the way it is, so that we only get the one side of Catherine the Great and not the other. | ||
| Well, this is why it's so dangerous when someone like YouTube or Twitter or someone just decides to do site-wide censorship on a particular issue. | ||
| Yeah, but we're the idiots. | ||
| But we're not. | ||
| We are. | ||
| In some ways. | ||
| Like, here's a good example. | ||
| The lab leak theory. | ||
| If you had the lab leak theory on Facebook a year ago, you get banned. | ||
| Your posts get deleted. | ||
| You cannot have that theory because that theory's not in line with either the CDC or the WHO. Now, it's the primary theory. | ||
| Now, most scientists who've looked at the evidence objectively since Trump is no longer in office, it's been now seven months, everybody's, their heart rate has dropped down enough and their anxiety has reached levels where they can actually look at the science. | ||
| And, you know, Jon Stewart's rant did wonders for that. | ||
| That rant was fantastic. | ||
| I personally believe that something happened. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| All of a sudden, we had this mask mandate removed within a second. | ||
| Like, next day. | ||
| And people were caught off guard. | ||
| Schools were freaking out. | ||
| We were not ready. | ||
| You didn't prepare us. | ||
| And the CDC has been very good at prepping everybody, all the institutions. | ||
| They get the pre-news. | ||
| We're going to do this. | ||
| It's coming out. | ||
| You hear a thing. | ||
| Oh, tomorrow CDC is making an announcement. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| It switched. | ||
| I'm still not sure exactly why, but that went away overnight. | ||
| And then, all of a sudden, we got all these other things. | ||
| We have ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine stories bubbling up. | ||
| But, you know, this example, the bat versus the lab, that just, all of a sudden, based upon a story written by a former New York... | ||
| Well, actually, it was a little worse than that. | ||
| The story was, turns out, three people were sick who were working in the lab. | ||
| And that's why now the lab theory is in play. | ||
| That, of course, is bullshit. | ||
| Because if we had a story that, oh, three people got sick in the lab, that means it must come from the lab, everyone would criticize it and say, no way, that's not possible, you're a conspiracy theorist full of shit. | ||
| But there, like a former New York Times columnist who's in, I think, his 70s now, he went through the whole thing and said, look, here's the absolute proof that we have to at least look at this. | ||
| There's more evidence here than there is for the bat or the pangolin. | ||
| And maybe there's a book or some stuff is coming out and opinions are changing. | ||
| And I think it's related to the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| I mean, all I see is... | ||
| I just see fucking marketing everywhere. | ||
| So when this changed, and I know Jon Stewart, I know him back from before the Comedy Central, MTV Beach House. | ||
| I think he was sent in to soften the blow. | ||
| I really critically look at what he and Colbert did together, and they have worked together a lot. | ||
| And Colbert is a great actor. | ||
| I really think that... | ||
| Colbert was not surprised. | ||
| He knew that it was coming, and Jon Stewart had a message, and he delivered it, and it softened the blow. | ||
| So you think that Jon Stewart is involved in a conspiracy to release the information in a funny way so that people accept it more? | ||
| Well, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy. | ||
| Well, someone conspired. | ||
| Jon Stewart is very involved in politics. | ||
| He's also a stand-up comic, though. | ||
| Well, okay, so maybe it was a joke. | ||
| 100% was routine, and he's been doing stand-up comedy. | ||
| You know, he's back on the road. | ||
| Well, I don't know if he's on the road, but he definitely performed with Dave. | ||
| He was with Chappelle at one of Dave's Yellow Springs, Ohio shows. | ||
| But did he promote that when he came on the Colbert show? | ||
| Well, this is post that. | ||
| What did he come on the Colbert show for? | ||
| I don't know what he's promoting. | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| I don't think he was just there to talk about this. | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| We could find that out. | ||
| But the point is, he had been doing stand-up. | ||
| And if he was going to burn some material, You know, that would be a good piece of material to burn because it's, you know, it's not going to be relevant very much longer. | ||
| It was very funny. | ||
| But Colbert, this is why I disagree with you, Colbert clearly was trying to hamstring that. | ||
| He was trying to stop that routine. | ||
| Well, if there's any evidence, I'd like to hear it. | ||
| He was fucking up a comedic bit. | ||
| See, Colbert is a brilliant comedic actor as Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central and The Daily Show. | ||
| Like, I loved him as that character. | ||
| But I do not particularly... | ||
| Like how he handled that with Jon Stewart because he was getting in the way of a bit, which is something a comic never does. | ||
| I didn't pick up on that. | ||
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As a comic. | |
| Colbert's not a comic in that he does a monologue routine, but he's not hitting the road doing stand-up, talking shit. | ||
| But I think he's an actor, not just a comedic actor. | ||
| He's a really good actor. | ||
| He's done a lot. | ||
| He does creepy stuff. | ||
| He's done some really good roles. | ||
| I've never seen any of his stuff other than that character. | ||
| And I think that character is brilliant. | ||
| Especially the way he used to do it before he took over as a talk show host. | ||
| Now he's like a different guy. | ||
| Now he's like a very social justice warrior-y. | ||
| We can agree on one thing. | ||
| That interaction between Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert softened I think it's just Jon Stewart pointing out the obvious in a very funny way. | ||
| He's like, are you out of your fucking mind? | ||
| This is a lab. | ||
| In Wuhan that measures coronaviruses, that does work with them, that actually juices them up, gain-of-function research. | ||
| They're there in the place where it broke out. | ||
| And everyone's saying, well, no, it probably came from a pangolin. | ||
| So he goes on this long, comedic rant about how, of course, this is probably what happened. | ||
| Like, the idea of this natural spillover is stupid. | ||
| So he's just doing stand-up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's my take on it. | ||
| I mean, this is what we talked about just a couple minutes ago. | ||
| I see something, you see the same thing. | ||
| This is my take, that's your take. | ||
| I'm totally willing to believe yours too, obviously. | ||
| Because the end result is the same. | ||
| I cannot imagine a world where Jon Stewart agrees with Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart get together and go, and Stewart goes, look, I wrote this incredible bit because I was contacted by the powers that be, and they want to soften the blow of the live leak thing, so they want me to do a comedic bit. | ||
| So I've created this comedic bit. | ||
| The problem with that theory is it's Occam's razor, right? | ||
| What's the most obvious scenario? | ||
| The most obvious scenario is, look, this is comedy just writing itself. | ||
| You have a coronavirus research lab, a level 4 lab, in the very city where this disease breaks out. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| Coronavirus disease. | ||
| This was being said a year and a half ago and it was foreboding territory. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So why was this okay? | ||
| Because Trump's not in office anymore. | ||
| Because Trump being out of office for seven months. | ||
| So how does the media in particular and politicians recover from the media in particular? | ||
| Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are shit because Trump said so. | ||
| Hydroxychloroquine, yes. | ||
| How do they recover? | ||
| Ivermectin did not get discussed by Trump as far as I understand. | ||
| Oh, a couple times, yeah. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| A couple times, sure. | ||
| But it wasn't the big one. | ||
| Like, hydroxychloroquine was a big one. | ||
| He's like, it's basically a miracle. | ||
| It's a miracle. | ||
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| But it's not as effective as ivermectin, according to these studies. | ||
| And there's quite a few studies. | ||
| And people are like, where's the suppression? | ||
| There's all these studies being done on ivermectin. | ||
| Look, scientists do science. | ||
| Scientific studies are always going to take place, particularly when there's a drug that is not just a viable drug as an antiparasitic. | ||
| It's been used for over 40 years. | ||
| It has a very high efficacy rate for river blindness and it's a great drug. | ||
| And the guy who created it won a Nobel Prize. | ||
| YouTube removed his video. | ||
| I know. | ||
| This is the very guy who won the Nobel Prize for Ivermectin. | ||
| YouTube removed a video of him discussing it, which is just crazy to think that some tech nerd from Silicon Valley has the insight and like, you know, the world doesn't need to hear this. | ||
| The world shouldn't be, shouldn't have access to this information. | ||
| That's insanity. | ||
| That to me is very creepy, that someone... | ||
| At YouTube made that decision, that you're going to take this man who won the Nobel Prize for Ivermectin and he's got this video. | ||
| I don't know the content of the video. | ||
| Do you know the content of the video that they removed? | ||
| I've seen many different videos of him. | ||
| But this is him discussing Ivermectin and it was removed. | ||
| The same with the inventor of the mRNA technology. | ||
| He's also been removed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's insanity. | ||
| Peter McCullough, Dr. McCullough, he testified in Senate about ivermectin, and YouTube took down his Senate testimonial. | ||
| Same thing as Dr. Pierre Corey. | ||
| Same exact thing. | ||
| Great episode, by the way, with Corey and Brett. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| This guy's treated hundreds, if not thousands, of COVID patients and had extremely positive results using this one particular drug, ivermectin. | ||
| I think that the problem with... | ||
| So the media is... | ||
| It was really easy for the media. | ||
| Anything Trump says, and if you go look up ivermectin, the first thing you see is horse dewormer. | ||
| Ha! | ||
| He's telling us all to eat horse deworming paste. | ||
| Hydroxychloroquine. | ||
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| Aquarium cleaner. | ||
| All of these. | ||
| They totally distorted the truth. | ||
| That was very obvious. | ||
| So now... | ||
| But hold on a second. | ||
| The reason why they did that is because it is a horse dewormer. | ||
| And hydroxychloroquine does clean pools or... | ||
| Well, it's different versions. | ||
| It's a different version. | ||
| Very different versions. | ||
| But because of that, it's not like aspirin. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You know, aspirin is like people take aspirin for a headache. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| I think ivermectin actually is close to aspirin. | ||
| But look, I'm not a doctor. | ||
| All I'm trying to point out is that the media had its role there by ridiculing and mocking. | ||
| So that suppressed any information about any alternative drugs. | ||
| But the pharmaceutical industry, they make no money on this. | ||
| This is a generic drug. | ||
| It's pennies. | ||
| It's pennies to produce or less than that. | ||
| And it is my belief that we'll see a similar situation where either hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, or we'll start seeing maybe another Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert bit, and then we'll have Merck come out with the pill. | ||
| And the pill will be a new version of one of these existing drugs with the compound, just twist it a little bit so they can patent it. | ||
| Well, that would be the best case scenario, right? | ||
| And Pfizer is doing the same. | ||
| They're also working on a pill. | ||
| Yeah, it would be the best case scenario. | ||
| Well, Merck's pill that they are working on, Brett Weinstein actually discussed, and I don't know if he did it live on the podcast. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| He sent me some information on it, but they have a similar thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| But it's different, because they can patent it. | ||
| There was a lot of greed at play here, and the thing that still... | ||
| No! | ||
| The thing that still kind of gets me... | ||
| The pharmaceutical companies, we need to understand, they are 100% altruistic, and they always have been. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Now go on. | ||
| They've placed us in a biosecurity state, as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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| But it's the idea that everybody all of a sudden is trusting the pharmaceutical industry is hilarious. | ||
| Not me, brother. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| No, not you. | ||
| I mean, when I was seven, we moved to the Netherlands, and I had to have all kinds of vaccinations. | ||
| And that's when my Tourette started. | ||
| Now, I don't know if it's literally from that. | ||
| I mean, no one knew it at the time. | ||
| My dad has had some ticks later in life, so maybe it was in me genetically, and that was just going to come out. | ||
| So I've always been a little bit wary of vaccines in general, but my last ones were 2003. I went to Iraq, so, you know, you had the military put yellow fever or whatever in you. | ||
| But we had this global shutdown. | ||
| We had COVID. Trump is on his way to, you know, probably sweeping the election. | ||
| And whatever happens, whether you look at Event 201 and was it a pandemic, it doesn't really matter. | ||
| Fact is, the whole world was shut down. | ||
| And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Trump says, Operation Warp Speed, bitches, we're going to have this shit in your arm by the end of the year, which is unbelievable. | ||
| That would have been the most insane thing. | ||
| Vaccines take 4, 5, 6, 7, maybe 10 years to develop. | ||
| But no, and we have new technology. | ||
| I think it's possible, and again, conspiracy therapists, that this whole idea of the Great Reset, if you just look at the World Economic Forum, what this asshole Klaus Schwab is prognosticating and how many big, the global banking system really, they wanted some kind of shutdown. | ||
| And the shutdown would make all small businesses irrelevant. | ||
| So even how it was named, like you're an essential worker. | ||
| Well, who was the essential worker? | ||
| Fast food, big box. | ||
| Not small restaurants, not small retailers, not your butcher, etc. | ||
| And you'd think it was bad here. | ||
| It's been horrible in other countries. | ||
| Let me stop you there, because fast food didn't differ from small restaurants and their ability to serve takeout. | ||
| Small restaurants close. | ||
| But they serve takeout. | ||
| They still serve takeout. | ||
| In Austin, they closed for several weeks. | ||
| Everyone was closed for several weeks except for fast food. | ||
| But do you think that that's a conspiracy or that was a decision made locally? | ||
| Because in California, there was a period of time, I think, when things shut down, but then I know most of the restaurants were allowed to serve takeout. | ||
| They were allowed to serve to-go. | ||
| It hurt everybody. | ||
| For sure it hurt them. | ||
| For sure it hurt them. | ||
| A lot of business. | ||
| I just view it as a first strike. | ||
| Why could you go to McDonald's and why could you not go there or you had to only do takeout in that manner? | ||
| People weren't handing it to you. | ||
| They're putting it in the back of your car. | ||
| All kinds of different rules and certainly just regular stuff. | ||
| You could go to Target, Walmart. | ||
| Those were kind of the big ones. | ||
| You couldn't really go anywhere else. | ||
| And we don't have the... | ||
| In Europe, not everyone has a big box store. | ||
| You know, there's one in a certain location, so a lot of people would go there. | ||
| I'm just looking at what the World Economic Forum publishes on their own website, and they talk about the Great Reset. | ||
| And this reset will eventually take us into protecting the Earth from climate change, but we first have to lock down and get ready for whatever comes our way. | ||
| And My own personal theory is that Trump maybe saw this. | ||
| When the shutdown came, there was no news of a vaccine. | ||
| It was shut down. | ||
| Vaccines could take four or five years. | ||
| I think he went to Pfizer, most likely, and said, you got some experimental shit? | ||
| Let's push it real hard. | ||
| Will it work? | ||
| Will it have adverse events? | ||
| Maybe 5%, 10%, maybe 30% of people will die. | ||
| Better than the whole world being shut down by a bunch of bankers. | ||
| Who just want to control us. | ||
| 30% of the people dying. | ||
| If you had a shitty vaccine. | ||
| It turned out it wasn't. | ||
| It was a good vaccine. | ||
| Has there ever been anything remotely like that, where 30% of the people who took it died? | ||
| Has there ever been a vaccine developed in under a year? | ||
| Yeah, but it really had been technology that had been in play for a long time. | ||
| They just had never implemented it, right? | ||
| Hello? | ||
| MRNA vaccines. | ||
| Long-term studies? | ||
| No, there's none of that. | ||
| Right, but mRNA vaccines is something that they had developed for quite a few years. | ||
| Yes, for a long time, as a gene therapy, for individualized. | ||
| And in 2008, I think, there was a big conference put on by, I think, Goldman Sachs, and all the medical companies were there. | ||
| I just started No Agenda, so I was researching, and they had PowerPoint slides and everything on the website. | ||
| And all you saw was the future is vaccines because we're giving people medication before they're sick and you get them on a program and you get them on a schedule. | ||
| And if you recall around 2008-9, that time frame, there were vaccines coming out against smoking. | ||
| There would be a vaccine against cocaine abuse. | ||
| Oh yeah, none of it panned out, but that was kind of the promise of the mRNA technology. | ||
| We can change your DNA, or I'm saying things I have no business talking about, but you can change something so then all of a sudden you don't desire cocaine or you can remove that addictive feature. | ||
| And that's when I started paying attention. | ||
| It's like, you know, there's something going on. | ||
| And the mRNA, I mean, to roll that out, and you can look at many scientists and doctors who will say, that's not a one-size-fits-all solution. | ||
| That is meant to be completely tailored for Joe Rogan, we're going to change something in your body that needs fixing or whatever, not just, poof, it's good for everybody. | ||
| And I think even the inventor of the technology says it's not intended for this purpose. | ||
| Is the dose dependent upon the size of your body? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because I was thinking this, like when they're doing the vaccines, like if you're a 300 pound man or you're a 90 pound 16 year old, do they have the same dose? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But we can't step over the fact that this has never been done before at a scale of this magnitude. | ||
| And if I just look at Pfizer, they even changed their logo to look more like a DNA strand instead of the boner pill. | ||
| They went through a whole... | ||
| They used to look like a boner pill? | ||
| That was their... | ||
| Yeah, like Viagra. | ||
| That was their main thing, right? | ||
| Yeah, that's what they're known for. | ||
| And they licensed the technology in order to create this. | ||
| But those guys, they're paying people on TikTok. | ||
| It's called Team Halo to promote the vaccine. | ||
| It's been promoted everywhere. | ||
| And I think they're behind some of the discreditation of the Johnson& Johnson. | ||
| I mean, if you look at whatever information is available, as many people have had blood clots with every single vaccine, but Johnson& Johnson was the one that got singled out and shut down, and their competitor, coincidentally. | ||
| Are you aware of the... | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| It's not dose-dependent. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So it's not a dose-response relationship. | ||
| It's about finding the perfect dose for the immune system to get the right amount of stimulation. | ||
| For most vaccines, it's pretty much one size fits all. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So... | ||
| Is that, like, one size fits all for, like, children? | ||
| For children and large people? | ||
| For children, pregnant people, everybody. | ||
| One size fits all. | ||
| It just seems a little... | ||
| Yeah, we don't know, man. | ||
| And everyone says we really don't know long-term efficacy or long-term effects. | ||
| We just don't know. | ||
| No one can argue with that. | ||
| We just don't know. | ||
| No one can argue that we have not had people take a hundred plus million doses and study them over X amount of years. | ||
| It hasn't happened before. | ||
| If you look at... | ||
| Man, so many horrible medical accidents have happened in the past where everyone just believed the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| The FDA, it's all... | ||
| This needs to be re-engineered. | ||
| All of these things need to be re-engineered. | ||
| And I think, like I was saying with social media... | ||
| And YouTube, we're kind of the dickheads. | ||
| We need to walk away. | ||
| You know, if you don't like what's happening, either vote someone else in or stop buying the product. | ||
| Well, the thing with the pandemic, everybody wanted it all to be over, right? | ||
| Everything was locked down. | ||
| Everybody wanted it all to be over. | ||
| And what's the best way for it to be over? | ||
| Well, just take the vaccine and then, you know... | ||
| I know, but that by itself is so miraculous that that came together in mere months. | ||
| And just saying, well, it just happened to be ready. | ||
| No, I don't think it was ready. | ||
| I don't think anyone... | ||
| And that's why it's still emergency use authorization. | ||
| And we just don't know. | ||
| Now, is the... | ||
| At this point, you have to say, well, what is more dangerous? | ||
| You know, getting COVID and risk dying? | ||
| Or some adverse event from a vaccine that is still under emergency use authorization hasn't been tested very long? | ||
| And, you know, you can look at a million different numbers and make a decision there. | ||
| But it was definitely out of the ordinary. | ||
| And I can't imagine any other reason for anyone to say, let's do this. | ||
| We didn't even know much about COVID. We're still learning stuff about it, like that it might have come from a lab. | ||
| We're learning that now. | ||
| If you knew that then, wouldn't the vaccines maybe be tailored to that? | ||
| Or we say, hey, China, give me some of that shit you made in the lab so we can tailor our mRNA vaccine to it. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| This stinks. | ||
| It stinks. | ||
| Jamie went, huh. | ||
| I don't know if that's good or bad. | ||
| AstraZeneca vaccine has brought in $275 million in sales so far this year. | ||
| This is as of the first three months just in Europe. | ||
| Bro, look at Pfizer. | ||
| That's only 4% of their revenue for the quarter. | ||
| You know, I mean, you can just wait for the... | ||
| It's like, you know, with SSRIs, you know, anti-depression stuff that... | ||
| Pfizer makes a lot of that, too. | ||
| The side effects are tardive dyskinesia, which is restless leg syndrome, and some of it actually looks a little bit like Tourette's and tics. | ||
| But you can also get... | ||
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| Your libido completely goes away. | ||
| I was going to say that. | ||
| Libido. | ||
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Libido. | |
| Is it libido? | ||
| It's the Dutch in me, libido. | ||
| Well, in the old country, Joe, we speak of libido. | ||
| That sounds cool, always. | ||
| I got some libido pointing your direction. | ||
| So they literally sell the thing that makes you less or maybe impotent. | ||
| They sell the antidote, they sell you the boner pill at the same time. | ||
| I mean, this is a great... | ||
| Is that how they do it? | ||
| Well, I don't think they do it, say, here's your antidepressant, here's your Viagra. | ||
| I've heard people say that even if you have an erection, people that I know that have been on it, they have a hard time reaching orgasm. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know yet. | ||
| I just know that people are prescribed, even women are prescribed, who are on antidepressants are prescribed Viagra. | ||
| Viagra? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Dude, I do applied kinesiology. | ||
| I got my voodoo doctor. | ||
| I try to stay far away from all of this stuff. | ||
| I think my immune system's good. | ||
| I get shocked at really intelligent people that just want to take pills for everything that happens to them. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Like, they feel bad. | ||
| They want anxiety pills, they want this, they want that. | ||
| I have a friend, he's very, very smart, and he's on like five or six different things. | ||
| Xanax is a big one, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's on that too. | ||
| So many people on Xanax. | ||
| And I'm saying, I'm like, why, you know, like, this is really hard to get off, because, you know, the Jordan Peterson thing opened my eyes to it, and then Dr. Carl Hart. | ||
| With Benny's, yeah, the Benny's shit, that'll fuck you up. | ||
| Benzodiazepine or Xanax. | ||
| Very dangerous. | ||
| Well, the true bennies, like what the pilots would take, they call it little yellow footballs, where you can fall asleep right away, sleep for three hours, get up and start flying again. | ||
| Air Force did a lot of that. | ||
| Those are benzos as well? | ||
| Yeah, but you can get pretty addicted to that very easily. | ||
| Like, hey, I'll just take one to go to sleep, and I'm tired now, and I'm doing coke, I'll take another one. | ||
| Dr. Hart was explaining on the podcast that they're one of the rare things that literally kills you if you get off of them the wrong way. | ||
| Whereas, like a lot of drugs, when you get off them, you just feel terrible. | ||
| The way Dr. Carl Hart described heroin, you get off of heroin, he said it's like a flu. | ||
| It's like a shitty, terrible feeling, but you get through it and you're fine. | ||
| He's like, alcohol will kill you. | ||
| If you get off alcohol, if you have an addiction to alcohol and you get off of it, your body will break down. | ||
| Same thing with benzos. | ||
| There's a very small number of things where your body becomes so addicted to them that getting off of them is fatal. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| Sucks ass. | ||
| And so many people I know take them for anxiety. | ||
| We are, of course, one of the two countries in the entire world that allows the pharmaceutical industry to advertise direct-to-consumer on television and say, Ask your doctor! | ||
| Yeah, it's Austin, New Zealand, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is weird, because New Zealand is so fucking... | ||
| I mean, they're so independent. | ||
| Yeah, but it's just for sheep over there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of sheep over there. | ||
| By the way, you're going to see this now. | ||
| You probably want to get your pets vaccinated. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Is that really coming? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That's the last push that Pfizer has. | ||
| Get it in their damn pets. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Dogs and cats can catch COVID from their owners. | ||
| They've done the studies and I'm seeing vaccinate your pet popping up here and there. | ||
| Did you see the Salk Institute released a study on the spike protein? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| The Salk Institute reduced a study on the detrimental effects of the spike protein and related to COVID so that the spike protein itself is causing a deterioration, I believe, of blood vessels, right? | ||
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That's what I described it. | |
| That it breaks the blood-brain barrier and it's It's supposed to say in the muscle, I think, but it's going everywhere. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| Well, this is about COVID itself. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Oh, the COVID spike protein. | ||
| No, the question is, is the same thing applied to the vaccine? | ||
| And I think Brett Weinstein had an examination of their press release or what they published. | ||
| Versus what they amended they amended some aspect of it to try to like Make it seem a little bit more palatable or something. | ||
| I don't know what I don't know what they amended but the point being that these vaccines produce spike proteins and the Salk Institute is saying that spike proteins cause a deterioration of the blood vessels I think the thought is that the vaccines Produce it only locally and that it doesn't get everywhere. | ||
| Whereas if you have COVID, it goes through your entire body. | ||
| This is, I think, the hope. | ||
| Novel coronavirus spike protein plays additional role in the illness. | ||
| Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease, which is really interesting. | ||
| This information was out there in 2020 as well, I can recall. | ||
| But even the fact that two smart guys like you and I can't really have a coherent story that we consider to be the truth just shows that... | ||
| Well, I put us pretty high on saying smart guys. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| But, you know, shouldn't we know more? | ||
| Shouldn't it just be kind of established? | ||
| Well, it's not. | ||
| So we just don't really know everything. | ||
| And, you know, we're, to some degree, the world hopefully is learning that, hey, you know, you've got to learn to assess risk, your own personal risk. | ||
| You know, we do lots of things that are risky. | ||
| We do things that are risky that we don't know about or how you even, we talked about this in March 2020. Where are the people telling us how to beef up your immune system? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a real problem. | ||
| It's not just a problem, it's criminal. | ||
| It's fucking criminal. | ||
| It is. | ||
| The government didn't... | ||
| The surgeon general was just like, get it for your pop-pop. | ||
| It wasn't even... | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| None of it. | ||
| You were providing more information than the entire governments of the world about your fucking immune system. | ||
| That was scary, because... | ||
| I would have thought that someone in the government would have said, hey, you know, it's not hard to tell people that what we need is vitamin D and exercise. | ||
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Oh, they did. | |
| And the algos pushed that down because it wasn't the message. | ||
| It just wasn't the message. | ||
| I'm very skeptical about all, even, you know, back to Colbert and Jon Stewart, not to rehash it, but, I mean, it's the CBS Broadcasting Network. | ||
| I mean, I come from a family of military and spooks. | ||
| Shit is everywhere. | ||
| I mean, everywhere, there's all kinds of, it's information war. | ||
| I give Alex Jones that 100%. | ||
| I've always been jealous of info wars, because that's what we're living in. | ||
| It's truly information war. | ||
| And this has been waged on us going back to the 60s. | ||
| There was a funny thing where Brian Stelter was on CNN comparing Tucker Carlson to Alex Jones. | ||
| I saw that this morning. | ||
| And they were showing things that Tucker Carlson said versus things that Alex Jones said. | ||
| And they were like, are these guys... | ||
| He said it in such a funny dismissive way. | ||
| He's like, are they bros? | ||
| Are they exchanging information? | ||
| But what he didn't show by doing this, by Pointing out the two things that Alex Jones talked about and Tucker Carlson talked about, both men were saying things that are logical. | ||
| They're both saying what you said earlier, like there was most likely agent provocateurs that at least had some part in that January 6th invasion of Capitol Hill. | ||
| That's not an outrageous thing to say. | ||
| So just by connecting him... | ||
| To Alex Jones, he's trying to dismiss Tucker Carlson, but what he's not dismissing is the actual veracity of the statements. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But the things that he's saying aren't that outrageous. | ||
| What were the things that they pointed out? | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| There's a clip that's online. | ||
| It was all about January 6th? | ||
| It was several things. | ||
| But those things were not outrageous. | ||
| It's not like, you know, there's an indimensional child molesters and they're coming through your window in the middle of the night. | ||
| You do such a good fucking Alex Jones. | ||
| I've known the guy forever. | ||
| I need like a jingle, you know, an Alex Jones, Adam Curry jingle from you. | ||
| I can do it. | ||
| I actually play Alex Jones in Sturgill Simpson's album. | ||
| Sturgill Simpson's and his most recent album, there's the opening segment, a guy gets in the car and he's spinning through the radio dials trying to find something to listen to. | ||
| And there's Alex Jones ranting and raving about the Illuminati, and that's me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Ah, you're good, man. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| You got it down. | ||
| Yeah, okay, so here it is. | ||
| This is Oliver Darcy. | ||
| Is this smokeable? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Here, so you got a lighter. | ||
| Let's hear what the things are. | ||
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| Well, go. | ||
| Brace it from the beginning. | ||
| Emails. | ||
| It's not that I think the government... | ||
| My God, how old is this? | ||
| 2011. It's admitted that they do it. | ||
| It is a lie to say there are no risks. | ||
| There are risks in everything, including in getting the vaccine. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Please go back from the beginning. | ||
| Go back from the beginning. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We didn't hear the beginning because he said something in the beginning about them spying on him. | ||
| Because Tucker Carlson is saying the government's spying on him, and then Alex Jones from a long time ago was saying that they're spying on him. | ||
| So listen to this. | ||
| It's not that I think the government spies on me. | ||
| It's admitted that they do. | ||
| It is a lie to say there are no risks. | ||
| There are risks in everything, including in getting a vaccine. | ||
| Everybody's got family that got killed or got sick from a vaccine. | ||
| So, FBI operatives were organizing the attack on the Capitol on January 6th, according to government documents. | ||
| It is overwhelming. | ||
| The evidence that criminal elements of the federal government provocateur and staged January 6th. | ||
| Okay, pause. | ||
| So what he just showed, none of that is outrageous. | ||
| First of all, we know from Edward Snowden that the NSA has been monitoring emails and everything, so that's fact. | ||
| It's a little different. | ||
| They collect everything, and then when they need it, they go in and get it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But the idea that they're not monitoring Alex Jones is insane, right? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So whether or not they're monitoring Tucker Carlson, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But we know that they have the ability to do so. | ||
| Edward Snowden exposed this. | ||
| This is truth, right? | ||
| They've admitted it. | ||
| This is why he's living in Russia now, right? | ||
| This is why he's on the run. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Then Tucker Carlson said that there's some risk To the vaccines. | ||
| There is a risk to every medication that people take. | ||
| It's a relatively small risk. | ||
| Like, if 170 million people have been vaccinated, if it was just 1% died, we would have 1,700,000 deaths from the vaccine. | ||
| That's outrageous, and it's not the case. | ||
| So it's a very small risk, relatively. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, there's no numbers that I can look at. | ||
| But hold on. | ||
| So that's true. | ||
| So what he said is true. | ||
| He didn't say that it's a terrible thing, don't get it, it's killing everybody. | ||
| It's not what he said. | ||
| He said there is a risk. | ||
| Alex Jones says everybody knows someone who's died or who's been hurt by the vaccine. | ||
| I know people that have had strokes. | ||
| I know people that have had adverse reactions. | ||
| That's why the VAERS report exists. | ||
| Now, do I know that they absolutely got those strokes from the vaccine? | ||
| Of course I don't. | ||
| There's a lot of correlation. | ||
| Does that mean causation? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We don't know what... | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| But what he factually said was not incorrect. | ||
| But what he said is not outrageous. | ||
| So he's comparing... | ||
| They're comparing these things in this really weird, disingenuous way to try to make it look like everything that Tucker Carlson's saying is insane because Alex Jones says something as well. | ||
| If Alex Jones says drink water and take vitamins... | ||
| And I say, drink water, take vitamins. | ||
| Am I Alex Jones? | ||
| Like, what does that mean? | ||
| The other thing that he said was the Capitol Hill thing. | ||
| Now, if there are government files, if you could read these government papers that actually do say that there were agent provocateurs that had something to do with the Capitol Hill attack, If Alex Jones says that and Tucker Carlson says that, but yet the fact remains that it's true, who gives a fuck? | ||
| And how are they making that connection? | ||
| That connection is so weird. | ||
| And the connection is just to try to discredit Tucker Carlson. | ||
| But this is your news. | ||
| That this is coming from America's trusted news source, and that this is the evidence that... | ||
| It's not like he's saying, you know, it's not like this Pizzagate type thing, or again, interdimensional child molesters, or something completely crazy. | ||
| What he's saying are things that aren't crazy to say at all. | ||
| Because he's saying, what Tucker Carlson said in this very small clip, he said, there are some risks, right? | ||
| Wasn't that the quote, I think? | ||
| And then Alex says, he talks about risks. | ||
| These are not outrageous things to say, but the fact that they've decided to do this and compare them in such a disingenuous way, it's really weird that that is something that the news would want to do. | ||
| I'm kind of cynical about this and I have always thought that advertising is equal censorship and the news is not there to bring you the news. | ||
| It is to sell advertising and certainly Tucker Carlson, for a while I thought he was really going to get kicked off because what you don't hear Only on Tucker Carlson, I don't know how that happened, is anyone criticizing the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| The number one advertiser in all media is the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| CNN can't criticize the vaccines because then they're advertising. | ||
| They get calls. | ||
| It's built on advertising. | ||
| And it's easier to discredit someone Because when you say this guy is a horrible person, advertisers run away from that shit. | ||
| It has no different than Twitter or YouTube. | ||
| It's not really about political opinions, but political opinions can leverage the advertiser relationship to get someone canceled. | ||
| That's the mechanism. | ||
| So this has become so good now. | ||
| What are they called? | ||
| Sleeping Giants and Media Matters and all these types of groups who organize. | ||
| I mean, I even see it on Podcast Index. | ||
| I'll get a whole thing. | ||
| Tim Dillon sucks. | ||
| You have to get him off. | ||
| He's a homophobe. | ||
| He's a racist. | ||
| He's a transphobe. | ||
| And then I'll see that five other guys who have podcasting 2.0 apps, they have the same note. | ||
| Now, there's no advertising. | ||
| So we're all like, whatever. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Have you really seen something that says Tim Dillon's a homophobe? | ||
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| He's gay. | ||
| I'm just telling... | ||
| Of course! | ||
| I'm just telling... | ||
| Do you know how crazy that is? | ||
| Are you asking me if the world has gone insane, Joe Rogan? | ||
| But the fact that they want to say that Tim Dillon's a homophobe because he makes fun of gay people, he is actually gay. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't know that. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| But he's openly gay. | ||
| He discusses it all the time. | ||
| But the point is, it's to leverage. | ||
| This is... | ||
| And this is... | ||
| Okay, where this all comes from ultimately, I think, is again, the problem... | ||
| Money corrupt. | ||
| Money is the root of all evil. | ||
| And right now we're in a position where the global banking system, which is far removed from anything you and I can really understand, how credit works and how there's $400 trillion worth of paper that surrounds the bond markets, it's all just, it's an illusion. | ||
| In order to keep the control, we have to utilize this at every single moment. | ||
| We have to use it as a wedge for everything. | ||
| And all of these companies are nothing more than a part of that system. | ||
| The money flows through everything, and most of it's advertising base. | ||
| All of Silicon Valley is a hits business. | ||
| Instead of caring what their users want, they want hits. | ||
| So they'll acquire hits. | ||
| Oh, this YouTuber's great. | ||
| We're going to hook him up. | ||
| This podcast is great. | ||
| We're going to give him 60, 80, 100 million dollars. | ||
| No offense, but it's hits business. | ||
| They're buying hits, not doing anything more than that. | ||
| And if you don't play along, you're going to lose your income overnight. | ||
| So ESG, have you heard of this? | ||
| No. | ||
| Environmental... | ||
| I thought you should have a drink. | ||
| You wouldn't have a drink? | ||
| I'd love a drink, especially when you get into ESG. This is too intense. | ||
| No, but the ESG is fascinating. | ||
| Bring some glasses in? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So ESG, and this is now something that if you want to invest in a company, they will, on their investor relations page, they'll show you their ESG score. | ||
| ESG stands for environmental, social, corporate governance. | ||
| And this is where the woke culture comes from. | ||
| So they've created this kind of phony baloney rating system that says, well, if you—I'm exaggerating, but if you mention that you are, you know, have a green agenda and you believe in carbon credits and you might trade some credit somewhere, then you get a higher score and therefore you're more investable. | ||
| And it's very interesting to see how big investors like insurance company, institutional investors, they are steering away from anything that does not have the right ESG rating. | ||
| And so in order to have investors continue to be interested in the stock, which is important for the company, for its perception, certainly for the officers of the company and the shareholders, You have to move this along continuously. | ||
| And so it's very simple to see why doing a woke ad as Nike or as any other company and Pride Month is fantastic because you could – and Pride is easy. | ||
| Throw up some flags, show the right people, trends, whatever. | ||
| And you've got a high ESG score. | ||
| And so this is a control mechanism that is being used throughout all corporations worldwide. | ||
| And I don't even think it's stoppable. | ||
| People are just starting to figure out what's going on. | ||
| That's where all this is coming from. | ||
| Nike doesn't give a fuck about black people that way. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| They care about their stock price. | ||
| Of course, individually, there's people who care. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| But it's driven by ESG. It kind of started with DEI, the Diversity, Equity, Inclusion. | ||
| That has now moved over to... | ||
| And you can look it up, SASB, that's the Board of Standards and Statistics for Corporations, and they have this formula how you measure your ESG score and if you're really investable. | ||
| And it's funny because you'll see, like, Nike has a 75% score. | ||
| Tesla, which you'd think would be really good, 38%. | ||
| Because, you know, not woke enough or Elon, you know, says the wrong things. | ||
| So it's actually harder to invest, for an institution to invest in Tesla because of their low ESG score. | ||
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| Yeah, I'm just really learning about this myself. | ||
| How did you find out about this ESG stuff? | ||
| Kidneys, brother. | ||
| Kidneys? | ||
| You don't remember that joke? | ||
| No. | ||
| Holy shit, you're my age. | ||
| No, what is the joke from? | ||
| It was an old joke. | ||
| It's like some moronic kid in school figured it out and then it's like, hey, how come you're not a moron? | ||
| The moron says, kidneys, kidneys. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| What was on that? | ||
| Doesn't quite work. | ||
| What was that on? | ||
| What was that joke on? | ||
| That was when I was in third grade. | ||
| Oh, like a joke joke? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, like two Jews walk into a bar? | ||
| That kind of a joke? | ||
| Yeah, only less offensive. | ||
| Is that offensive? | ||
| Well, the Jews joke is they buy it. | ||
| Two Jews walk into a bar, they buy it. | ||
| Yeah, boom shakalaka. | ||
| Yeah, that's not... | ||
| So this ESG stuff is really being utilized to control society in general. | ||
| And Twitter has to adhere to the same thing. | ||
| And they're using it as a method to maximize profits because people will support companies that are woke because it aligns with their own personal values. | ||
| I wouldn't say profits. | ||
| I would say shareholder value. | ||
| That's a little different than profit. | ||
| What is the difference between profit and share? | ||
| Well, currently, if you are a CEO and you have a board and everyone has stock and all your C-suite people and your important people all have shares, and the way the mechanism works, all right, we have the Federal Reserve and interest rate is at zero, so big companies can go to any bank, literally, Federal Reserve is the bank, too, and say, I need $100 billion, and they're going to give it to me for almost 0%. | ||
| Because what we pay on credit card interest or something, that's not what banks pay. | ||
| They pay almost nothing. | ||
| So they get that free money, and then they buy back their stock. | ||
| Buying back their stock makes the price rise. | ||
| Everybody who has stock wins. | ||
| That has been going on for a long time. | ||
| That's the number one way of getting really rich in a public company. | ||
| Apple, you know, this was the thing when Trump had his repatriation of the money and also the corporate tax cut. | ||
| The main thing that was a problem, and I'm not sure how they dealt with it, was, well, you're getting all this, you're bringing this money into the country, or you're getting a tax break. | ||
| We don't want you just using it to buy your own shares. | ||
| Because you buy your own shares, you're only making yourself wealthy off of actually the backs of the American people because we didn't get that tax revenue. | ||
| And that's the system, how it's worked. | ||
| And now they're just expanding it into this mythical ESG. And, you know, it's based on how green you are, you know, net zero aspirations, reports, wokeness, social justice. | ||
| And it's also because it's connected to the idea of being a better person. | ||
| It's so easy to support. | ||
| Gotta love it, bro. | ||
| Look at the ads! | ||
| And it's one of the rare times where a corporation will get support from the general public for sticking with this. | ||
| Because we're good people. | ||
| And we all believe we're good people. | ||
| People are I love it. | ||
| I want my LGBTQQIAP+. There's B's? | ||
| There's two B's? | ||
| Bi. | ||
| Bi and bi-curious. | ||
| That's in there too? | ||
| Bi-curious? | ||
| In my version there is. | ||
| Is H in there yet? | ||
| Just overall horny? | ||
| Isn't that pansexual? | ||
| Are they in there? | ||
| I find it so insulting that it's called the LGBTQ community. | ||
| It's not a fucking community. | ||
| It's just as insulting as the black and brown community. | ||
| Oh, what fucking zip code do I go to to meet some black and brown community people? | ||
| That to me is offensive. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| But anyway... | ||
| So it's so good to have that group. | ||
| And by the way, the L's don't like the G's. | ||
| The G's have problem with the T's. | ||
| I mean, all this. | ||
| That's a great Chappelle bit, actually. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, the Alphabet people. | ||
| He's spot on with that. | ||
| Spot on. | ||
| It's not a community. | ||
| But anyway... | ||
| It's being abused, just as Black Lives Matter Inc., not Black Lives Matter, the feeling as good people, because we're good people. | ||
| We don't want racism. | ||
| We don't want people hurt. | ||
| We don't want people discriminated against. | ||
| But we're being used like pawns and saying, oh, well, then do this and go here and say yes to this. | ||
| And then before you know it, you're kind of stuck in the system where you're afraid to say, that's not okay. | ||
| And for me, it's as simple as saying, I do not believe in an LGBT community. | ||
| I believe in people, and they do their own thing, and they love what they love and do what they want, and that's one thing. | ||
| It's not a fucking community that you can put together and say, this is what we're doing for them. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And I think trans women are the most abused by corporations now. | ||
| They're using them everywhere, in every ad, just to push and push and push. | ||
| Well, it's just because it's en vogue, right? | ||
| So this is something that they latch onto. | ||
| En vogue or ESG. Yeah, they latch onto. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| What does it stand for again? | ||
| Environmental Social Corporate Goals. | ||
| Governance, I'm sorry. | ||
| Governance. | ||
| Environmental Social Corporate Governance. | ||
| How long before there's like a social score for humans? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| It's already there. | ||
| It's called Credit Karma. | ||
| All these apps are already it. | ||
| This is not a real credit score, these apps. | ||
| They have their own score. | ||
| It's called the Credit Karma or whatever you want to call it. | ||
| It's not a FICO score. | ||
| It's not from the official FICO company that does your... | ||
| When you go to buy a house, there's a company that will really see what your credit rating is or two. | ||
| All these other things are kind of their own little scale. | ||
| And the way it works is... | ||
| If you sign up to us, your credit rating, which will probably be shit, let's say you have 600, just by signing up you get an Experian boost, 40 points! | ||
| You're a good person! | ||
| You installed the app! | ||
| Now, it's like, well for every video you stream on Netflix, we're going to give you extra boost. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What hasn't happened yet, which I do expect, if you watch this type of product on Netflix, will give you even more boosts. | ||
| Pay this bill on time, and we're going to up your score. | ||
| So it's a game. | ||
| It's a complete game just to get more and more credit. | ||
| It's not teaching you to save. | ||
| It's teaching you how to behave well to get more credit or more higher credit rating. | ||
| And the same people sell you the loan. | ||
| So this credit that you're getting from this, what is it called again? | ||
| Credit Karma. | ||
| Credit Karma. | ||
| It's an app and in the initial stage it's like, okay. | ||
| But can you buy stuff this way with the credit that you get from this app? | ||
| They can give you credit. | ||
| You can apply for credit based upon your credit score all in the app. | ||
| And through that credit in the app you can actually get a real credit card and purchase things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And they own it. | ||
| You know about it? | ||
| You know about this app? | ||
| And so what do poor people do? | ||
| Poor people, they get the app because they have shit credit score for whatever reason. | ||
| How am I not hearing about this? | ||
| Because you're not poor. | ||
| But I would have thought I would have heard of it. | ||
| I watch a lot of shit TV, my brother. | ||
| I pay attention to this stuff. | ||
| So they're roping in people to download this app. | ||
| Poor people have payday loans. | ||
| They go to check cashing places. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| It's very predatory. | ||
| This is just the friendly predatory way. | ||
| When we give you this app, you download the app, and we're going to right away give you a credit line. | ||
| So they're not giving you anything else than an opportunity to borrow money. | ||
| And then you're on the hook. | ||
| And it's gamified. | ||
| And you can pay it off, of course, but people don't. | ||
| It's like, well, maybe if it's consolidation. | ||
| Bring all your credit cards into our app and we'll give you one low fee and we'll consolidate everything. | ||
| And then they're just going to keep... | ||
| You know, giving you opportunities to want to buy stuff. | ||
| And Facebook and Twitter and other places on the internet are talking to the credit karma people. | ||
| And, you know, they're saying, well, hey, you know, this guy, he could probably, bless you, this guy could probably, you know, Joe could probably buy this brand new phone if we tell him that he can get a little more credit by being a good person, paying certain bills or other behaviors. | ||
| The Netflix viewing thing is real. | ||
| So the Netflix viewing thing, what is the motivation there? | ||
| Is it specific kinds of things you have to watch on Netflix? | ||
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Not yet. | |
| Not yet. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But it's just Netflix period. | ||
| Just get Netflix. | ||
| If you don't already have Netflix, get Netflix and watch at least one streaming movie a week. | ||
| It was something like that. | ||
| So if you get Netflix and watch Stranger Things, your credit rating will go up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| Experian Boost now lets you add on-time streaming payments to raise your credit score. | ||
| The free service helps people improve their credit scores by giving them credit for paying their Netflix bills on time. | ||
| But this is paying your bill on time. | ||
| It's not saying watch a show. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| If you look at the fine print, I think you do have to at least watch something. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Experian boosts a free feature that helps improve your credit score by paying monthly bills on time. | ||
| But here's the bottom line. | ||
| Here's the bottom line. | ||
| It says here, when you pay your bills on time, when you are a good person and you pay your bills on time, we're going to give you more credit. | ||
| This is like your parents saying, if you... | ||
| But isn't that how credit works, period? | ||
| But it's reverse saving. | ||
| Young people should be saving money. | ||
| They should not be going deeper into credit debt. | ||
| That's insanity. | ||
| Right, but I'm saying credit does get raised when you pay your bills on time, just across the board, right? | ||
| Right, but they're... | ||
| Credit is their own score. | ||
| They have the whole ecosystem. | ||
| They control it all. | ||
| They control it all. | ||
| I'm worried about social credit score. | ||
| It'll be through this. | ||
| Like what they're doing in China. | ||
| China really came through WeChat. | ||
| It's all based upon commerce. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| Because they want to cut your commerce off or give you opportunity to do more commerce. | ||
| See, the beautiful thing about your setup, the way you do no agenda, is that you don't have any kind of advertiser influence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So there's no one that can influence you and what you discuss and what you talk about in any way. | ||
| No, the producers, we call our listeners producers, they totally influence me because if we're not entertaining or informative or whatever it is they don't like, they don't send money or they send less money or lower amounts and then we hurt. | ||
| Of course, but what I'm saying is you don't have advertisers. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Yeah, that's big. | ||
| Well, this is why I started podcasting 2.0 not long after you and I met. | ||
| It's funny because it turns out Brett's podcast is already using it. | ||
| A lot of podcasts are already using this because we've infiltrated the podcast hosting companies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, podcasting was decentralized by design. | ||
| Dave Weiner and I, you know, 18 years ago, the whole idea was all you needed was a place to put an MP3 file and this weird text file, which was called a feed, an RSS feed. | ||
| And as long as you had that, anyone with an application or an app who could subscribe and say, okay, you know, this podcast lives over here. | ||
| I'm going to put that URL into my box. | ||
| Then you had a direct connection with publisher to end user. | ||
| Now, as that started to grow, you needed, you know, you got hosting companies, which make it easier for you. | ||
| And then we got into the situation where, you know, people got tired of saying, you know, where do I find that podcast? | ||
| So we needed an index or a directory. | ||
| I think at the time. | ||
| I discover, but, oh, I'm looking for this podcast. | ||
| You know, Megyn Kelly. | ||
| Type it in, boom, it shows up. | ||
| I don't have to do a Google search and find the podcast page and click on the... | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Click on the orange RSS icon and paste it into your application. | ||
| Do you remember any of this? | ||
| It was completely fucked. | ||
| I know that it existed. | ||
| And then you got, like, little icons, which would be Apple or Amazon or a couple others, and that expanded, and then you had this long... | ||
| This long list of chicklets of things you would click on to subscribe to the podcast. | ||
| But Apple, they basically said, we'll be the directory. | ||
| And they became, in effect, what I never intended, the gatekeeper. | ||
| Because you have to submit to Apple. | ||
| And submit means they're going to look and see if it's okay, whether that's technically or philosophically. | ||
| I don't know how many podcasts never made it through that process. | ||
| But as it grew and grew and grew... | ||
| The scale of over 4 million podcasts now that we have at podcastindex.org, Apple has 2.3. | ||
| So there's a lot more that lives outside of the traditional ecosystem than we ever knew about. | ||
| There is 300 plus million people and 4 million podcasts. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| How many of them are from other countries? | ||
| I can get you that information, but I would say the most relevant statistic is that updated in the last 60 days is about 600,000. | ||
| Or from other countries? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| 600,000 podcasts total have published an episode in the past 60 days of those 4 million. | ||
| So it may be much smaller. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| So the total podcast index is 4,036,610. | ||
| Shows published in the last three days, you got 86,000. | ||
| 10 days, 245,000. | ||
| 30 days, 381. 60 days, 549. So some of them are inconsistent, which is just how it goes. | ||
| Well, it's just a lot less publishing, or a lot of them could be dead. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| podcasts are in the Apple index. | ||
| They just, a lot of them don't even want to submit to it. | ||
| That's French, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's so arrogant, I'm telling you. | ||
| Baguette-eating motherfuckers. | ||
| What's their deal? | ||
| So here's the problem with the scenario we were at, and this really came to me right after I met you in March of 2020. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit, we've got this whole ecosystem, and now we have Silicon Valley who are coming in and saying, this is great. | ||
| A podcast could be a YouTube video. | ||
| A podcast could be a little thing over here. | ||
| It can be whatever it is. | ||
| It's not necessarily tied into that decentralized infrastructure of feeds. | ||
| So they got into the hits business. | ||
| You know, buying up some stuff. | ||
| And now we have Apple. | ||
| I think I had the foresight. | ||
| They say, you know what? | ||
| We don't really care about kind of the open RSS. We'll do subscriptions. | ||
| Come over here. | ||
| We'll do your hosting. | ||
| We're going to take 30% of whatever you get, but we're going to make it easy for you to make money, and we'll take our piece. | ||
| They're not interested in the hits business. | ||
| So what we still need for this conversation to happen everywhere is we need an uncancellable ecosystem with uncancellable money. | ||
| And that's what we put together. | ||
| So we have podcastindex.org, which is supported by 20 different apps that are all independent. | ||
| And you can, per minute, pay a podcaster, stream actual money to them in real time from point to point. | ||
| And it's Bitcoin. | ||
| It's Satoshi's. | ||
| From point to point. | ||
| And no one can stop you. | ||
| And this is an ultimate backstop. | ||
| It's an ultimate preservation of freedom of speech, literally, because, you know, podcasts are speech. | ||
| And we're transforming this whole idea into the next generation of how people will price and pay for entertainment. | ||
| And that's music, it's video, it's everything. | ||
| As podcasts get bigger, there does become this problem where advertisers become a primary... | ||
| They become a giant part of the system. | ||
| Yeah, that's not compatible with podcasting 2.0. | ||
| Well, it's not compatible with free speech. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Because there's going to be things that you're going to be asked not to discuss, right? | ||
| And this is the problem with things like- Self-censorship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's self-censorship too, right? | ||
| And this is what happens with things like YouTube. | ||
| Like, Tim Dillon's a good example. | ||
| Tim Dillon's podcast, which is- I heard he's gay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I heard that, too. | ||
| It's an amazing podcast, because he does it all. | ||
| Most of him, he has Glenn Greenwald on. | ||
| He was at the Bitcoin 2021 conference. | ||
| Yeah, I was there. | ||
| He just rants. | ||
| He has his producer, Ben, who sits next to him, and he puts sunglasses on and goes on to these fucking wild, crazy rants, and YouTube demonetizes somewhere in the neighborhood of half of his podcasts. | ||
| Now, if you were a person that wanted to maximize your profit, you would say, hey, what am I talking about that makes you demonetize me? | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| Every time you bring up ivermectin, we have a real problem with that, and we'd like you to not bring that up. | ||
| Okay, that's off the list. | ||
| I want to make that money. | ||
| What else? | ||
| What are the other subjects? | ||
| Oh, well, you're talking about censorship in social media, and that makes us look bad. | ||
| We don't like that, so stop talking shit about YouTube. | ||
| Okay, okay, well, let's clear that off the table. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| So you have self-censorship. | ||
| It's really bad for YouTube's overall product because people are self-censoring themselves all the time. | ||
| It's not, though, because they have such a monopoly. | ||
| Oh, yeah, okay. | ||
| Their monopoly is so massive. | ||
| Like, if you were the CEO of YouTube, no one can say you're not doing a good job because literally a trained monkey could run YouTube. | ||
| They're just like, Like, let the money come in. | ||
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Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. | |
| Like a trained monkey with little thimbles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you don't have to be wise to, like, just say, these content creators are making fucking millions of hours of shit every year. | ||
| All you have to do is, like, let it roll in and slap ads on it. | ||
| That's all you have to do. | ||
| And pick up some hits. | ||
| So if something comes along and this person is... | ||
| You're saying, okay, we're going to demonetize these. | ||
| We're going to remove ads from these. | ||
| The profits are still extraordinary because there's no competition. | ||
| What other thing is out there like YouTube? | ||
| There is no thing out there remotely commensurate with YouTube. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| So because of that, I could be the CEO of YouTube. | ||
| They could call me up once a week and go, what do you want to do about this? | ||
| Fucking delete it. | ||
| Do you know what YouTube's biggest problem is? | ||
| What? | ||
| Creating inventory. | ||
| They have so many people who want to advertise so much, such volumes, they cannot create... | ||
| You can't have five ads in front of a YouTube video. | ||
| That's their biggest problem. | ||
| My point was... | ||
| That you don't have a situation where there's a comparable platform that does the same kind of numbers but doesn't censor as much and then these shows become more popular there and they earn more money. | ||
| No, it's not going to happen. | ||
| You're looking at it like Coke and Pepsi, right? | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| If you look at the numbers of Coke and Pepsi, I don't know who does better or what, but the point being that there's a competition there. | ||
| There's no competition when it comes to YouTube. | ||
| It's just YouTube. | ||
| I mean, you have your Vimeos, you have your... | ||
| But they're so far beyond... | ||
| Like, what YouTube has been able to do is really extraordinary. | ||
| I mean, they've figured out the way to make the perfect user platform where user-created content is uploaded as a video, and it's just... | ||
| It's really kind of nuts if you think about it. | ||
| Like, if this didn't exist, and you said, what are the odds that one company is the primary company where you can upload a video? | ||
| You'd be like, that's not possible. | ||
| Everybody has a phone. | ||
| Phones are all making videos. | ||
| It's so easy to set up a little tripod and put your phone on it and start talking about cars or physical fitness or whatever the fuck you want to talk about. | ||
| The idea that one company would have a complete monopoly on that, not only that, but do a great job of keeping it from being labeled as a monopoly. | ||
| I mean, they really are a monopoly, but for no good reason. | ||
| It's not like they're trying to stop other people from doing it. | ||
| It's just they just have the market cornered. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| Isn't it weird? | ||
| Well, yes, but at the same time... | ||
| We're just creating these other places. | ||
| You started the same way where we go and it's not controlled by anybody. | ||
| It's kind of incompatible with the advertising model, which is why podcasting, they say $1 billion in ad revenue. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| I mean, it seems like there's no big A-level advertising names in there. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So 95% of people doing a podcast do it not for advertising revenue. | ||
| They do it just because they want to speak their mind, say what they want to say. | ||
| A lot of them will, if they use any other platform, even if they're using YouTube, I don't want to monetize because I want to have a longer chance to say what I can say. | ||
| We're moving away. | ||
| After, I mean, we had a whole slew of cancel events take place all around the election. | ||
| And just after that, we saw people in droves going to alternative social networks like Mastodon, the Fediverse. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| I don't even know about this. | ||
| Mastodon? | ||
| Never heard. | ||
| You know about Mastodon? | ||
| Okay, Mastodon is, this has been around for a long time. | ||
| It's actually, it's a social network that I think was originally known as GNU Chat, G-N-U Chat. | ||
| Okay, so it's a Linux-based thing? | ||
| GNU Social. | ||
| It's not about Linux. | ||
| It was Linux software that created, yeah, I mean, or open source. | ||
| I should say, oh, that'd be, Stallman would kill me. | ||
| It's open source software, really free open source software. | ||
| And they created this, let's just call it a Twitter clone. | ||
| Everything Twitter does but without the algorithms built into it. | ||
| And you can connect through something called the Fediverse. | ||
| You spell them with a T or a D? D. Federation. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The Fediverse, I'm sorry. | ||
| And you do that through something called ActivityPub, which is really the system that makes any... | ||
| It really decentralizes everything. | ||
| It's kind of like a peer-to-peer network, and you get the information. | ||
| Can I stop you for a second? | ||
| A lot like Bitcoin, yeah. | ||
| You really are a super dork. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You're so deep in this. | ||
| I'm so happy I'm married, and my wife loves me, and... | ||
| You're so deep. | ||
| But you know what the problem is? | ||
| And my Tourette's goes crazy. | ||
| I'm trying to communicate because I see it. | ||
| I know exactly what's happening. | ||
| It's hard to explain it. | ||
| But basically, an open source Twitter that anybody can join and nobody's in control of. | ||
| If you have your own server, you determine how much of the Fediverse comes in. | ||
| Or what you don't want. | ||
| And everyone can interact. | ||
| And this thing has exploded. | ||
| And people have different versions, ones that are made very much like Instagram. | ||
| They have ones that work like YouTube. | ||
| And it all comes down to this activity pub protocol that allows you to follow an account no matter what it's doing, no matter what server it's on. | ||
| Let me see what this looks like, Jamie. | ||
| It looks a lot like TweetDeck, which is a... | ||
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Cloud... | |
| But you can make a change. | ||
| Yeah, if you just do it to single pane, then... | ||
| Just trying to find pictures of it. | ||
| Go to... | ||
| Go to NoAgendaSocial.com. | ||
| Oh, wow, there it is, right here. | ||
| So this is Mastodon. | ||
| Yeah, this looks exactly like TweetDeck. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So I run NoAgendaSocial.com for the No Agenda... | ||
| Do you use Twitter still? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| But you use this more? | ||
| Well, I use Twitter like I use marijuana. | ||
| It's a recreational drug. | ||
| Check it out, see what's going on. | ||
| Noagendasocial.com, you can see it. | ||
| How many people are on Mastodon? | ||
| Well, you don't really know because everyone can have a server. | ||
| It can be anywhere. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| And does it show how many followers you have? | ||
| If you're logged in, I don't know, maybe. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Access denied. | ||
| The requested resource requires an authentication. | ||
| You have some kind of firewall here that is blocking me. | ||
| Is it a blocker? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it the fucking government man? | ||
| Try podcastindex.social. | ||
| Podcastindex.social. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So this Mastodon, does it show how many followers you have? | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| So it does the same kind of things that Twitter does? | ||
| Go down Discoveries. | ||
| See what's happening. | ||
| Click on See What's Happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have no idea what this is. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So this is how it works. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, so if you have an account, then obviously you get a whole different view of everything. | ||
| So these are people that are more plugged in to the internet in many ways. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| It's just people who are tired. | ||
| There's always people looking for the alternative, Joe. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Alternative music. | ||
| Twitter is disco. | ||
| Mastodon is punk. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| You know, people are like, fuck that shit, we're going over here. | ||
| And then it starts to build, and people get in arguments and build different versions, and then it becomes even more sophisticated, and shit falls off. | ||
| It's an organic beast, man. | ||
| Right, and like disco, some of it's like the Bee Gees had some pretty good fucking songs. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| The Bee Gees undervalued. | ||
| I believe the Bee Gees should be up there with the Stones and with the Beatles. | ||
| I think they totally get screwed on that. | ||
| The Bee Gees... | ||
| Go back and all the... | ||
| They were around, man. | ||
| Oh no, I'm a Bee Gees fan. | ||
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Really? | |
| Oh yeah, I love the Bee Gees, yeah. | ||
| I was lucky enough to meet all of them before Maurice and Robin passed away. | ||
| I mean, what an accident-prone death family. | ||
| Barry's the only one left. | ||
| It's like, how lonely is that fucking guy? | ||
| Well, Andy Gibb, who wasn't really part of the Bee Gees, he was kind of a fourth member, he died, I believe, of an overdose or heart attack, drug-related, something like that. | ||
| Maurice and Robin, I think, died... | ||
| Maurice might have died on the operating table. | ||
| He was having some procedure done, and Robin died of just cancer. | ||
| It was a fucked-up shit. | ||
| And Barry's the last guy, and his hair's thinning out, and it's just like, fuck... | ||
| Do you remember when he did that thing with Barbra Streisand at her Malibu home? | ||
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No. | |
| That whole album. | ||
| She was doing all this stuff. | ||
| I was a kid back then. | ||
| I loved Diana Ross and all these things around. | ||
| I loved watching those concerts. | ||
| We had VHS tapes, you know, Betamax, I think. | ||
| And she's like... | ||
| I want to invite one of my friends over here. | ||
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Barry, we got nothing to be guilty of. | |
| Our love. | ||
| I mean, that was so good, man. | ||
| That was just like, I get goosebumps thinking about that. | ||
| They were very good, man. | ||
| Stayin' Alive is a great fucking song. | ||
| I mean, it really is. | ||
| And that plagued them. | ||
| That plagued them. | ||
| Saturday Night Fever plagued them because people, they were pigeonholed a bunch of disco dorks where if you look at their last couple of albums, when Big success all over, except America, really. | ||
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There we go. | |
| It's more about her calling him out. | ||
| That's not the one. | ||
| Look at that fucking hair. | ||
| My God. | ||
| My God. | ||
| That's like almost an afro. | ||
| I mean, it's so dense. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| It just emanates out of nowhere. | ||
| Love that shit. | ||
| Love that shit. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, where's it coming from? | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| I mean, for sure. | ||
| But, I mean, if that was a wig, I would not be stunned. | ||
| But I had hair like that, Joe. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You did. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You did. | ||
| Yeah, and it was all Aquanet. | ||
| Teasing and Aquanet. | ||
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Back in the old MTV days. | |
| Yeah, back in the old MTV days. | ||
| Yeah, totally, man. | ||
| Was that difficult for you to skate? | ||
| Because I thought, when I found out that you were this, like, super nerd, I was like, whoa, that pretty guy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never considered my... | ||
| Look at me. | ||
| I mean, I don't consider myself pretty or anything like that. | ||
| Well, you're an older gentleman, but you were certainly very handsome when you were younger. | ||
| I was always... | ||
| I loved radio because I knew that no one had to look at me. | ||
| And I could just be... | ||
| And I loved the whole idea of Dim Studio, the green visor. | ||
| But you were a beautiful man. | ||
| Pull him up. | ||
| Pull him up when he's younger. | ||
| He's full of shit. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Curry was a beautiful man. | ||
| I remember watching you on TV. I'm like, that guy's handsome. | ||
| I was held hostage by my hair. | ||
| Yeah, well, you were held hostage by your looks. | ||
| Like, that's a thing. | ||
| Like, if you're a handsome person, or a beautiful woman, there's a lot of times where people will look at you and dismiss anything that you have to say. | ||
| Oh, yeah, totally. | ||
| Because you can't possibly have an intelligence. | ||
| No. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| That fucking hair, baby! | ||
| Look at him! | ||
| I was 19 in the bottom left. | ||
| That's how I started out. | ||
| Let me see some more pictures. | ||
| That was in Holland. | ||
| Look at that one in the middle. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You cannot deny your beauty. | ||
| You're a beautiful man. | ||
| Look at that mouth. | ||
| You are a goddamn beautiful man. | ||
| Look at that one up there, that left-hand corner. | ||
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That's one of my least favorites, actually. | |
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| You're beautiful. | ||
| You're a beautiful man. | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| You beautiful bastard. | ||
| You're just going to have to come to grips with the fact that you're genetically gifted with your facial features. | ||
| Our family is not ugly. | ||
| Not ugly at all. | ||
| Not even a little bit. | ||
| That's a gift. | ||
| But it's also easy for people to dismiss you. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| We love dismissing people based on external characteristics. | ||
| This is the third time on your show, by the way. | ||
| I am so fucking honored. | ||
| Oh, please, I'm honored, dude. | ||
| I have nothing but massive amounts of respect for you. | ||
| I really want to be your Regis Philbin, your Tony Randall. | ||
| I am local, my brother. | ||
| Whenever someone cancels, I figured Cosby couldn't make it. | ||
| Joe's like, hey man, can you come on Monday? | ||
| Can you come on Monday and do the show? | ||
| Like, damn it, Cosby! | ||
| Can you imagine if I had Cosby on? | ||
| Nah, I don't think you could. | ||
| As a man, I don't think we could actually be around a guy like that. | ||
| I have daughters. | ||
| It would be too hard. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I have two stepdaughters and my own daughter. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It was a crazy thing to see in the news that he was getting out. | ||
| And I was like, wow. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| And then how many people were defending it? | ||
| It was interesting. | ||
| They disingenuously defend—they wrote this article, you know, they do clickbait, about Geraldo Rivera defending it. | ||
| And he wasn't defending— He was defending the legal process. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He wasn't defending him at all, but he was... | ||
| See if you can find a headline for the... | ||
| Very disingenuous the way they labeled it. | ||
| Because Geraldo Rivera was essentially saying they tried his character versus trying his acts... | ||
| The problem is he had made a deal with the prosecutor to... | ||
| Under immunity. | ||
| Under immunity, he testified in a civil case. | ||
| And then they played that for the grand jury. | ||
| They used that to prosecute him. | ||
| And I don't know, what did he say in the civil case? | ||
| It was something to the effect of, yeah, I drugged him. | ||
| He apologized? | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to find out... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| What's interesting is the response. | ||
| So this is, and I believe 100% in the law, and there's obvious people who are at fault here who made these deals and used this information incorrectly, but the law is the law. | ||
| But the response, the public outcry, or lack of it, will be very different, I predict, and I don't want to equate these things, but I think the damage he's done to women is pretty fucking severe. | ||
| Derek Chauvin may get off on a technicality somewhere down the road. | ||
| Why? | ||
| You know, there's still the Maxine Waters thing. | ||
| Let's just say it happens. | ||
| Maxine Waters thing? | ||
| She was tampering with a possible jury pool by traveling to the state, by talking about it publicly. | ||
| This is an old story. | ||
| But regardless, it's possible that can happen. | ||
| It took Cosby a couple of years. | ||
| Derek Chauvin could get off on a... | ||
| Forget why. | ||
| He could get off on a technicality. | ||
| What the fuck do we know? | ||
| That's going to make people fucking crazy. | ||
| So, you know, is it equal? | ||
| I mean, what Cosby did, I mean, that's... | ||
| Where's the outrage? | ||
| I think even though technically the law is correct, the people who fucked it up need to be held to account. | ||
| I think people are coming to grips with it right now where they're like, holy shit, is this real? | ||
| Is he out? | ||
| So I think the dust is not even remotely settled. | ||
| And the thing that Geraldo was saying is that this could possibly apply to Harvey Weinstein as well. | ||
| Oh, well, there you go. | ||
| This is what he was saying, that they tried Harvey Weinstein based on his character versus based on the actual legal facts. | ||
| I don't know if that's true, though. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| But Harvey Weinstein's still—there's still other cases out there that he has to— The law is a crazy thing, Joe. | ||
| I mean, the way—it's all about interpretation. | ||
| It's how a judge interprets it or, you know, a Supreme Court. | ||
| I mean, it's— Again, we all look at the same movie, the same screen, we might be seeing a different movie. | ||
| We have to really agree that that's happening. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The sooner we all agree, Tina and I often say, you know, as convinced as we are X, Y, and Z... Those people over there, they're just as fucking convinced about that, and we can't fault them for that. | ||
| They're not bad or evil or wrong. | ||
| In America, in our country, we used to always say, no religion or politics. | ||
| Let's have a good fucking time. | ||
| Let's have a cookout. | ||
| Play ball. | ||
| Yeah, that's not happening anymore. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Everybody wants to talk about religion. | ||
| Not even really. | ||
| Everybody wants to talk about politics. | ||
| More than anything. | ||
| Human discourse just needs some limitations and, you know, social media has broken down a lot of walls and people are careless and don't think about how many people read or see what your intimate thoughts are or your snap judgment or your thought at that moment. | ||
| You got to be kind of careful. | ||
| There's also this real issue that we're facing today that people And I think a lot of it was exacerbated by the Trump administration, by the Trump presidency, that people can't accept if you have a different perspective on politics than they do. | ||
| That you can't hang out with those people. | ||
| Whereas it used to be you could have conservative friends and liberal friends and you would joke around with each other about your differences of opinions. | ||
| You can't have that anymore. | ||
| I still have a lot of liberal friends and I still have a lot of conservative friends and I don't have a problem navigating those waters and I can have rational conversations with my conservative friends and I could even bring up things to my liberal friends that maybe As a liberal, they don't see things the way I see things. | ||
| Particularly the need for the military, Second Amendment rights, things like that. | ||
| And then there's just human nature issues. | ||
| There's a lot of social issues that I agree with across the board in terms of liberals. | ||
| There's a lot of things where I'm like, you have to take into consideration the fact that when you see, like, have you seen what's happening in Hollywood with the WeSpa? | ||
| Oh yeah, of course. | ||
| So this apparently transgender person... | ||
| What a world, baby. | ||
| What a fucking world. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| So now people were protesting at the WeSpa and Antifa members were beating up folks. | ||
| But you're looking at the quality of the people that were hitting these other people and beating them up for... | ||
| And they're like, hey ho, trans foes have got to go. | ||
| And you're looking at these people and you go like, these people in any other walk of life would be... | ||
| You mean Antifa? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Antifa is something else. | ||
| Antifa, as my belief, is a globally organized... | ||
| I mean, Antifa goes back to the 40s. | ||
| This is not just a group. | ||
| This is well organized, well funded, well directed. | ||
| When you see the true Antifa with everything black, that's to be taken very, very seriously. | ||
| I see no difference between black or brown shirts. | ||
| Antifa is to be taken fucking seriously, and the reason that we're not taking it seriously is baffling to me, unless they are working on behalf of some political force. | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| Antifa has been around for a long time worldwide, not just the United States. | ||
| That's not what I was going to say. | ||
| What I was going to say is you're looking at sloppy people. | ||
| You're looking at fat people. | ||
| You're looking at social outcasts who've decided to stand up for this cause and beat up people who disagree with them. | ||
| And they're bullies. | ||
| They're ganging up on people. | ||
| They're doing it in a very distasteful way. | ||
| It is almost as if, now this is where I'll put on my tinfoil hat. | ||
| If I wanted to engineer social unrest in this country, I would allow sloppy, stupid people to attack people that are standing up for something that is very difficult to argue. | ||
| Here's what's very difficult to argue. | ||
| We're not arguing trans people, their rights. | ||
| Of course you have rights as a trans person. | ||
| Of course you have the right to identify with whatever gender you choose. | ||
| The problem is exposing your genitals to children. | ||
| Now that was a core part of this story, was 9-year-old and 11-year-old girls that had to stare at a penis. | ||
| And people were like, what's the difference? | ||
| Is it okay to stare at a vagina? | ||
| It's not okay to stare at a penis? | ||
| The difference is, and I'm not saying that this person is guilty of this, we know that men have, throughout history, preyed on children. | ||
| Pedophiles have preyed on young girls and young boys, and it's mostly been men, right? | ||
| We know that women are very nervous about their children being around men who look at their children sexually. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I'm saying that this is one of the reasons why we don't want men naked. | ||
| If we have just like a universal sex bathroom, and everyone at a spa could just, men and women would all be naked together. | ||
| Look, our society, it sounds rational, but our society is not engineered that way. | ||
| We're not engineered, we did not grow up in a way where you just see people's penises and vaginas all day long from strangers. | ||
| It's not, if we did, Maybe if we lived in some sort of tribe where this is a custom, where everybody just walks around naked, we would be accustomed to this and it'd be normal. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| I grew up in a country that was just like that. | ||
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| The Netherlands in the 70s, sports clubs had co-ed showers and dressing rooms. | ||
| And what was that like? | ||
| Well, I came from the US, so I had a very... | ||
| I entered the Netherlands when I was seven, so I was fucking freaked out about it. | ||
| Two things. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| Everyone walks around naked in the showers. | ||
| School gym as well, although I was in the international school first. | ||
| And they also put mayonnaise on french fries, so it was a fucking bad experience all around for me. | ||
| Mayonnaise and french fries is a different... | ||
| I like it now. | ||
| It's a different flavor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| I was seven, man. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| Where's my ketchup? | ||
| Where's the syrup? | ||
| They have no maple syrup. | ||
| Their pancakes are thin, not thick. | ||
| What do they put on their pancakes? | ||
| Butter and powdered sugar. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that good? | ||
| Yeah, it's a taste. | ||
| It's a taste. | ||
| But they're more like a crepe, more like a French pancake. | ||
| The Netherlands has something very specific called poffertjes, which is very small, I would say silver dollar size pancakes. | ||
| And it's always around the wintertime. | ||
| They have a big griddle with, you know, a hundred pre-formed holes. | ||
| And they throw the batter in. | ||
| And it's cool to watch. | ||
| The guy with the fork, and he'll turn them all over like that. | ||
| And they put it on a plate, put butter on it, put some powdered sugar on it. | ||
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| There you go. | ||
| You got some puffer juice. | ||
| And it's puffer juice. | ||
| So good. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| It looks like a little tiny, little pastry type. | ||
| Yeah, but they're basically little pancakes. | ||
| Poor kid. | ||
| How'd you get through that? | ||
| The problem was, I was kind of freaked out, but what I saw is that changed over time, and it just went away, and it was no longer appropriate, and we had male and female. | ||
| When did that happen? | ||
| Well, of course, I left to come back to the States in 86, 87. It had already, I would say, kind of transitioned by then. | ||
| Really, it happened with the entrance of satellite television. | ||
| Satellite television came in. | ||
| You had Sky Channel. | ||
| You had all these different... | ||
| wide commercial, all commercial, RTL, SBS. | ||
| They were broadcasting all kinds of stuff into homes. | ||
| And before that, we had government controlled airwaves. | ||
| It was, you know, like kind of Soviet Russia idea. | ||
| And somehow with that, which I would just say American influence, everyone became this puritanical like, oh, no, we can't have that anymore. | ||
| We're not going to do that. | ||
| Going to a prostitute back in the day, dad's going to go see the hooker. | ||
| It's that one on the corner. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| It keeps the marriage going. | ||
| Can you even believe that that was culture? | ||
| What year was this? | ||
| Late 70s, mid to late 70s. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Now, you know, they've even closed down most of the red light district. | ||
| Well, in New York, they've decriminalized prostitution now. | ||
| Didn't they? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm pretty sure they did. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that was a really recent thing where they decided... | ||
| But what they really did is the whole idea of the individual prostitute in the window in Amsterdam, it was a business. | ||
| It was seen as a legitimate business. | ||
| You got health care. | ||
| You had your regular checks. | ||
| They really said, no, no, we're going to move this into brothels. | ||
| And when you move it into brothels, that's when a whole bunch of other shit comes in. | ||
| It's not just a pure... | ||
| Here's a transaction. | ||
| It's safe. | ||
| It's in a very confined space, but yet enough people around, so bad shit didn't happen. | ||
| You actually shop in the window. | ||
| And it's for women and men, by the way. | ||
| But they all moved that to brothels. | ||
| That's really where they want it, which I think is where more shenanigans take place. | ||
| It's much less safe. | ||
| Now, the co-ed bathroom situation. | ||
| So all bathrooms were co-ed. | ||
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Showers. | |
| Showers and dressing rooms. | ||
| And this is at gyms or anywhere? | ||
| Like a hockey club or a football club or something like that. | ||
| So if you went to a place to lift weights and there were showers, all the men and the women all got in there together and so you got to see everyone naked. | ||
| 73, 74, something like that. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| That's not how it's done today. | ||
| No, it's gone. | ||
| But the thing today is like... | ||
| This is obviously a new thing, where someone can identify as a female but still have a penis. | ||
| That's what's so fucking weird about it. | ||
| That's what's so weird. | ||
| And particularly in Europe, the Muslim integration into these countries has really, really turned back the clock on all kinds of gender and sexual freedom. | ||
| You cannot walk as a same-sex couple down certain streets of Amsterdam or Rotterdam or any other major city because you will be spit on, whistled at, or maybe even assaulted. | ||
| Have you read Douglas Murray's book, The Strange Death of Europe? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| Oh my god, that was so good. | ||
| His stuff is amazing. | ||
| The Madness of Crowds is also amazing. | ||
| It's excellent, but it's a fearless exploration of this particular dilemma. | ||
| That came out a while ago, didn't it? | ||
| A few years ago. | ||
| The Madness of Crowds is... | ||
| Well, I read it when I was in L.A. That led me down to the Kalergi plan and all that shit that's going on in Europe. | ||
| The what? | ||
| Kalergi plan. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| The Kalergi plan is very, very old, but it still exists in the Kalergi Prize today, which is a political prize. | ||
| The Kalergi plan is to slowly integrate brown people, I'm just going high level, brown people into the white people of Europe. | ||
| And it's been a project that has been ongoing for decades and decades and decades. | ||
| I think Kalergi died only 30 years ago. | ||
| But Angela Merkel got the Kalergi Prize just a couple years ago. | ||
| It's a Kalergi plan, but it said, okay, we're integrating with the rest of the world. | ||
| The European Union, most countries, took a very specific stance and said, come on in. | ||
| Refugees, come on in. | ||
| Everybody come in. | ||
| Come into our countries and we're going to integrate with you. | ||
| And they did that out of the goodness of their heart. | ||
| It's really good fucking people. | ||
| The Swedes, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Dutch, the French, the Belgians. | ||
| And it's really resulted in a lot of fucking trouble for everybody. | ||
| It's not turning out very well. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because you have complete segregation. | ||
| The immigrants are not integrating. | ||
| The first wave of immigrants... | ||
| The Netherlands has a long history, colonial history, with Indonesia and also to a degree with Turkey. | ||
| And there was a whole wave of Turkish guest workers that were brought in in around the 70s. | ||
| And they've integrated now 40 years later. | ||
| And, you know, there's a whole third generation. | ||
| And it's really very Dutch. | ||
| Which has changed. | ||
| But all these other refugees but immigrants from real Middle Eastern countries that have completely incompatible cultures with ours, their view on women. | ||
| You sell this in France, you know, the whole idea of headgear, hijab versus the burqa, etc., etc. | ||
| So those are cultural decisions. | ||
| You know, do we want, as the French would say, pillboxes walking down our streets? | ||
| Because that's what they say when they see a burqa. | ||
| Pillbox. | ||
| Yeah, if you look at a woman in a burka, it's like it's a person in a pillbox with just a little strip here with mesh for their eyes. | ||
| That's what the friends say about it. | ||
| That's change. | ||
| It's very radical change for people who have never had that. | ||
| How do we integrate these cultures into our Western society? | ||
| And the problem is that they... | ||
| I guess the problem they're saying is that they're not integrating, they're just establishing communities... | ||
| Gettos. | ||
| ...that keep their old ways intact. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Revenge murders, genital mutilation, all kinds of stuff. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| But that's... | ||
| I don't know how we got to this from Antifa. | ||
| How did we get to this? | ||
| I think it came through some of that buffalo... | ||
| Was that what it was? | ||
| Buffalo trace. | ||
| The overall thing that I was getting at was like, that is... | ||
| We're at a cultural crossroads when you start beating people up that don't want little girls to see men's penises. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you say that's not a man, that's a woman. | ||
| And you're a transphobe if you think that that little kid shouldn't see the penis. | ||
| And why is it okay to see a vagina but not okay to see a penis? | ||
| We're like, okay... | ||
| Well, ultimately, what I think has to happen is you need to, if you believe that, then you will go to a spa that does not have that policy. | ||
| Yeah, but then the spas that don't have that policy are going to get attacked. | ||
| And then it seems like... | ||
| Well, we're fucked then, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem. | ||
| It feels like that, doesn't it? | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| It's like, I guess the woman who made that recording released that recording because she thought that she was going to shame these spa owners. | ||
| We're saying this person identifies as a woman. | ||
| That's another part of our cultural problem. | ||
| Is this, oh, I've got to tell everybody. | ||
| I've got to report on this person. | ||
| I have to post it. | ||
| I'm going to shame you. | ||
| I'm going to do that. | ||
| My thought is that when you see the kind of people that were representing the idea that this person should be able to have their penis out in front of little girls, that you saw these sloppy people. | ||
| They seem like outcasts. | ||
| In a lot of ways. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You can see the video. | ||
| You want to see the video? | ||
| Yeah, show me. | ||
| Show some of the videos. | ||
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I'm not sure what you mean by sloppy. | |
| Overweight. | ||
| They just look like social outcasts. | ||
| Some of them, they look... | ||
| Well, first of all, they're bullying these people. | ||
| They're not just disagreeing with people. | ||
| They're throwing water on their head. | ||
| They're hitting them with things. | ||
| They're taking away their flags. | ||
| They're beating them up. | ||
| They hit this guy in the head who was a preacher. | ||
| They hit him in the head with a skateboard. | ||
| There's a lot of wild shit going on there. | ||
| You know, they're assaulting people. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| Well, the question is... | ||
| My problem is when people who, like, have strong beliefs against things like this, against things like a person with a penis being able to be in a bathroom with little girls, you're going to get violence. | ||
| And that's where this comes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| And the kind of violence that they're doing to these people is ensuring that you're going to get violence. | ||
| See this? | ||
| See what I'm saying? | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Social outcasts. | ||
| So you're getting these dorky people that are attacking these people, and they're organized. | ||
| They're organized in- They're very organized. | ||
| Yeah, but look at them. | ||
| Look at the lady with the green hair. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| So this woman, well, she's pretty sloppy, too. | ||
| This woman, look, they're throwing water at her. | ||
| They wind up pushing her around. | ||
| And it's one of the rare times where a man is allowed to hit women. | ||
| Like, this guy's throwing water at her. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Sort of boom. | ||
| And then this girl goes and pushes her with the skateboard. | ||
| The skateboards are very dangerous. | ||
| Is that a girl or a boy? | ||
| Or they. | ||
| Maybe it's a them. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But they carry skateboards around and use skateboards as weapons. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, they have backpacks. | ||
| You know what this is? | ||
| This is all privilege. | ||
| This comes from privilege. | ||
| If people had to be out there doing something, you know, working in the field or in the factory. | ||
| Give me some volume, Jim. | ||
| Some money to buy some food. | ||
| This shit wouldn't be taking place. | ||
| These people are... | ||
| The whole... | ||
| All of them are privileged. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| They're all privileged. | ||
| What are you doing on a weekday? | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| And everyone's wearing a mask, which is odd too, right? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Well, no, that's for... | ||
| They don't want to be recognized. | ||
| But it's sort of that, but it's also like a COVID thing now. | ||
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It's a double-edged sort of situation. | |
| And look, they're using two phones to film at the same time. | ||
| And they're chasing this lady, and they won't leave her alone. | ||
| Right, well, what if this is your job? | ||
| What if it's the lady's job to stand there and protest because she's been paid by some religious group, political group, whatever group it is, and what if the people in the black, what if they're paid by someone to go there and attack them? | ||
| But why do you think that? | ||
| Why would you even bother going there? | ||
| Don't you think that people just have convictions? | ||
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| Like, why would you think that they're being paid to do that? | ||
| Because how else... | ||
| Well, then they have extreme privilege, so how are they... | ||
| Well, it's a day off. | ||
| What day was it? | ||
| Saturday. | ||
| Okay, well, I guess it can only happen on Saturdays. | ||
| They organize it to do it on Saturday, and they organize it like days in advance. | ||
| They put it on social media, they let everybody know. | ||
| I really like questioning everything. | ||
| I really like looking at all the... | ||
| I can tell. | ||
| I'm not saying that they're paid, but it seems like... | ||
| This time to do this seems like a lot of privilege. | ||
| This is just what they do on a Saturday? | ||
| We get up in the garb like Civil War reenactment people? | ||
| This is not as concerning to me as when people were getting released from jail during the Portland riots. | ||
| That's happening everywhere. | ||
| Yeah, and then they were getting bailed out by people in the Democratic Party. | ||
| And the bail money goes to the person who was incarcerated, interestingly enough, so you kind of get a double whammy there. | ||
| Well, this is district attorneys. | ||
| While we weren't looking in general, Joe, you and I, but certainly our parents, We were all busy making careers and being good people and working forward and making the world great. | ||
| And a lot of mediocre people kind of slipped into places in politics and school boards. | ||
| Stuff that we weren't interested in running for. | ||
| I'm not interested in... | ||
| That's the problem, right? | ||
| Let someone else do that. | ||
| I think that's our fault. | ||
| It's our parents' fault. | ||
| We're kind of Gen X. I'm Gen X with boomer tendencies. | ||
| I fall right in 64, so you're definitely Gen X. It's logical that these young... | ||
| This is Gen Y, Gen Z. We have given them a bum rap, man. | ||
| They're born in the 90s. | ||
| Most of them. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| 90s. | ||
| We had the Gulf War. | ||
| It was kind of a weird time. | ||
| All kinds of financial shit. | ||
| Bill Clinton. | ||
| Blowjobs became okay because that wasn't actually sex. | ||
| That was something else. | ||
| So they've learned all this. | ||
| Then we had 9-11, which was... | ||
| Imagine... | ||
| You're 10, and this happened. | ||
| My own daughter was born in 1990. This was fucking traumatic for everybody, but especially for children. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| We're going to go smoke them out. | ||
| We're going to go get them. | ||
| Oh, we invaded the wrong country. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| And then all this shit. | ||
| Turns out weapons of mass destruction weren't real. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| Sorry, half a million people are dead. | ||
| Everyone's in their teenage years financial crisis. | ||
| Everyone's house is getting diluted. | ||
| It's all fucked up. | ||
| Friends and family have to move away. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| Trillion dollars. | ||
| It's all going to fix it. | ||
| And then these kids, a lot of them graduated, and they can go to a $13 an hour job, and they have $50,000, $100,000 in debt. | ||
| They're fucking disillusioned. | ||
| I think that is a huge, huge problem we're dealing with right now. | ||
| They have no spark. | ||
| They have no life force. | ||
| They're interested in gig jobs, you know, because then I can do my own thing. | ||
| I'll just work 9 to 5. Amazon's fine. | ||
| Uber is fine. | ||
| Oh, just like my dad, I'm going to wind up working 70 hours a week for a 40-hour-a-week wage. | ||
| I don't want any of that. | ||
| We're all going to die anyway because of climate change. | ||
| I mean, think about what the messages that young people today are receiving. | ||
| That's kind of the message. | ||
| Or you become a TikTok millionaire. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of that going on. | ||
| Well, that's the great way out, right? | ||
| That's exactly it. | ||
| I can be an influencer, and I can be like Jake Paul, and I can be like, you know, name it. | ||
| And I can be a fitness model and make money. | ||
| And yeah, of course, and that's full circle, except if you piss outside of the boat there, cancel, demonetize, you're done, your dream is over, forget about it, no career, go back to gig work. | ||
| It's very destructive, and it's easy for us to see it, I think. | ||
| It doesn't seem like any leaders in government or even academics give a shit. | ||
| Well, this is why this is interesting to me when I watch these organizations, because these people are united in this community. | ||
| And they might be a community of losers, but this is a community of people that have an idea. | ||
| And this idea is that anybody that doesn't want this person with a penis to be in that girl's locker room because the person with a penis identifies as a woman, anybody who doesn't want that to happen is evil and a transphobe and we've got to stop them. | ||
| So they all get together and they think they're right. | ||
| That's why they're acting like bullies. | ||
| They're all surrounding this one woman. | ||
| Men feel like it's okay to throw water in her face publicly, push her with a skateboard, chase her across the street, film the whole thing. | ||
| Everyone's filming everything, right? | ||
| They're all shaming people and filming people and having these arguments. | ||
| And this is maybe the only way that they feel united. | ||
| They feel like they belong to something. | ||
| They feel like they're a part of something bigger than themselves. | ||
| And they want to change culture, whether it's right or wrong. | ||
| The problem is they're getting these sound bites. | ||
| They're getting these conversations in these little 140, 280 character bursts on Twitter where they're arguing with each other about points. | ||
| Do you mind if- Do you mind if we have Jamie bring up Zuby's 20 points? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. | |
| Please take a look. | ||
| I love Zuby. | ||
| We're talking about this exact same thing. | ||
| This guy is smart. | ||
| He really nailed it with this. | ||
| He has the 20 points, and it's all that we've talked about in the past hour or so is all about... | ||
| Well, Zuby's all about personal accountability and hard work, and he's a very intelligent, thoughtful person. | ||
| You've had him on, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think what is going on with these groups of people is a lot of people, they feel disenchanted. | ||
| They feel disconnected from society. | ||
| All right. | ||
| 20 things I've learned or had confirmed about humanity during the pandemic. | ||
| One, most people would rather be in the majority than be right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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Right. | |
| Ding, ding, ding. | ||
| That's really good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At least 20% of the population has strong authoritarian tendencies which will emerge under the right conditions. | ||
| You just saw that. | ||
| That's exactly what we're talking about. | ||
| Three, fear of death is only rivaled by the fear of social disproval. | ||
| The latter could be stronger. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| Bam, right? | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| Four, propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. | ||
| Access to limited information has not made the average person any wiser. | ||
| It's made propaganda easier. | ||
| This is so good. | ||
| Five, anything and everything can and will be politicized by the media, government, and those who trust them. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Six, many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations. | ||
| No arguments here. | ||
| Seven, most people believe the government acts in the best interest of the people, even many who are vocal critics of the government. | ||
| There's probably a lot of truth in that. | ||
| Eight, once they have made up their mind, most people would rather... | ||
| Rather to commit to being wrong than admit they were wrong. | ||
| I think he put a 2 in there. | ||
| Rather commit to being wrong than admit they were wrong. | ||
| Than admit they're wrong, right. | ||
| 9. Humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviors, for better or worse. | ||
| True. | ||
| 10. When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, but demand it. | ||
| Shall I do the second 10 for you, Joe? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| 11. People who are dismissed as conspiracy theorists are often well-researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative. | ||
| Lab leak theory. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| True. | ||
| 12. Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said safety is merely an illusion. | ||
| Well, that's an old one. | ||
| We all know that one. | ||
| 13. Hedonic adaption occurs in both directions, and once inertia sets in, it is difficult to get people back to normal. | ||
| Fucking A, right? | ||
| Fucking A. 14. A significant percentage of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated. | ||
| I'd like to put a percentage on that. | ||
| 15. The science has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. | ||
| This religion has little to do with science itself. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| 16. Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing rather than actually doing the right thing. | ||
| Hello! | ||
| 17. Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt to varying degrees. | ||
| Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians. | ||
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Mmm. | |
| I agree with that. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 18. If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. | ||
| You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights by giving them money, food, and entertainment. | ||
| Give them bread and circus. | ||
| It goes back to the Romans. | ||
| 19. Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach. | ||
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Mmm. | |
| Let me just look at that again. | ||
| Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance. | ||
| Yes, I think people are very poor at defending their own freedoms. | ||
| And 20, it is easier to fool a person than to convince them they have been fooled. | ||
| Bonus thoughts, 21. Most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions. | ||
| This is good. | ||
| As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our leaders, can have malicious or perverse intentions. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| Zuby music on Twitter. | ||
| That kind of encompasses it all. | ||
| I mean, but this is weird, man, because we grew up believing that politicians were good people and that people were good people. | ||
| And it turns out a lot of people are really good people, but they can be fucking assholes. | ||
| Well, and then if they get licensed to be corrupt, right? | ||
| That's where it gets bad. | ||
| That's where it is. | ||
| License to corruption. | ||
| It's like legalized corruption, sanctioned corruption. | ||
| George Carlin did so many... | ||
| I mean, if I'm influenced by any one person in my thinking, George Carlin really, really put me in a headspace of, you know, it's a big fucking club and you ain't in it. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And just all of it, even the, you know, his phobe rant. | ||
| I mean, he's got so many good ones. | ||
| What's the phobe rant? | ||
| It's like all these different things you can get, you know, because I've got the... | ||
| Well, it was more like I'm supersized, I'm hypothesized, I can't get enough of this. | ||
| He had so many good rants like that. | ||
| He had a really interesting way of doing comedy, too. | ||
| You know, he would write his whole act out first. | ||
| And memorize it, right? | ||
| Yeah, completely. | ||
| It would basically be like kind of a one-man play. | ||
| I've seen him do the one, he did it in D.C. It was one of his famous rants, and he said, look, I'm still working on this, and he actually started over, because he was reading it, getting it exactly right. | ||
| You saw him live? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it was in some committee meeting, like the press club or some bullshit like that. | ||
| And he was really testing his material, and it was so good. | ||
| Yeah, he memorized every nuance, every word. | ||
| And I think the last HBO special he did, he fucked a couple things up. | ||
| It wasn't a great appearance. | ||
| It was great, but there were some things where he stumbled over a word, and when Carlin stumbles over a word, it really breaks the flow. | ||
| It's like, ugh. | ||
| And you could see him like, fuck! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think he only did one take on those things too, which is also an issue. | ||
| There's a lot of these guys, like Hicks, Revelations, he did in London, and he did one filming. | ||
| Bill Hicks? | ||
| Yeah, and you could see him really tight. | ||
| He's tight. | ||
| Like, when someone does a comedy special, one of the things that I always try to tell guys, or gals, or non-binary folks... | ||
| I tell them, do as many recordings as you can. | ||
| If it costs more money to do four, do four. | ||
| Definitely do at least two. | ||
| Because you do that one, and you kind of get loose from the one, and then the second one is better. | ||
| Because the second one, everything is sort of laid out. | ||
| You need that. | ||
| You really need that. | ||
| You need more recordings. | ||
| You can't just do one recording. | ||
| Because one recording is too much pressure. | ||
| Pressure is the enemy of comedy. | ||
| Like, you don't want that kind of, like, I gotta get this right, I gotta get this right, because that's not loose. | ||
| You know, comedy comes from looseness. | ||
| You know, you really want... | ||
| At the very least, you should do another show that day. | ||
| Like, if you're gonna film that night at 8 o'clock, do a show at 6. And just bang it out. | ||
| So you get to knock the dust off and be loose. | ||
| That shit's too stressful for me, man. | ||
| That kind of shit. | ||
| That's what I love about podcasting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's always another episode. | ||
| Yeah, but the thing about podcasting... | ||
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It sucked. | |
| We'll do another one tomorrow. | ||
| Yeah, we fucked up a few things while we're doing this today, and it doesn't mess anything up. | ||
| In fact, it's sort of... | ||
| What did we fuck up? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe we fucked up. | ||
| I'm sure we did. | ||
| Probably did. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But my point is that it affirms that we don't have a script, and we're just ranting. | ||
| I've had conversations with people about podcasts where they don't exactly know how this works, and they go, okay, so when you get together, say if you and Adam Curry are going to do a podcast, Do you guys talk about what you're going to talk about in advance? | ||
| I'm like, we don't have a fucking clue. | ||
| We literally, we don't think about it. | ||
| I mean, there's a few things that I wanted to bring up today. | ||
| I don't even remember what they are anymore. | ||
| The fact is, you make it look easier than it is. | ||
| It's not that hard, man. | ||
| I've had real jobs, you know? | ||
| A lot more goes into it. | ||
| Above all things, you are just a beautiful, open communicator. | ||
| That's what you get from Joe Rogan. | ||
| I mean, you can feel that. | ||
| It's like, oh my god, this guy's giving and taking, and if you're open to it, and I think all people with some intelligence, most people you have on are pretty fucking smart. | ||
| They feel that, and the unlimited, uncensored, non-timed performance is so counter to everything you do in broadcasting, in film, in comedy. | ||
| Yeah, in most stuff. | ||
| Yeah, most things. | ||
| We have a job. | ||
| We have this weird time. | ||
| You want a cigar, man? | ||
| Do you like cigars? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| I see you sucking on those vapes. | ||
| This actually is a cigar with my face on it. | ||
| Oh, I will put your face in my mouth any day, Joe Rodin. | ||
| They're actually good. | ||
| These are from Foundation Cigars. | ||
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You got a cutter? | |
| Yes, I do. | ||
| What's that white thing? | ||
| Dude, it's great that you get all this cool stuff, but it really ruins the market. | ||
| So when I built my desk after I gave you Drew and let him cut in line... | ||
| You know these things these these sound panels the company now sells them You know they I think they were created for you special and they even had like the previous one had JRE logos on it Yeah, this thing's like 600 bucks a pop now for it for a cough button Thanks Joe Rogan. | ||
| You get this one right in front of you. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Yeah It flips over and then it's a lighter Yeah, see? | ||
| And then you flip it over and then the top pops up like that. | ||
| See that? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Torch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is so phallic. | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| There was a shortage on these microphones for a while. | ||
| I got pretty close, didn't I? Yeah, we fucked that up, too. | ||
| Yeah, I was told it was because of us. | ||
| We fucked up a lot of things. | ||
| Hey, you know, I think there's a lot of shortages coming. | ||
| There's a lot of problems with the supply chain. | ||
| Manufacturing in this country? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Supply chain. | ||
| Supply chain. | ||
| So you think it's on purpose? | ||
| Well, so the South Chinese port shut down for 10 days. | ||
| And that's the one in Yontoyin. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck it's called. | ||
| Southeast. | ||
| That's where a lot of shit from China comes from. | ||
| And they were locked down for COVID for the Delta variant. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| Oh, this is recent? | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| And they were locked down for like a week, maybe 10 days. | ||
| They came back only 30%. | ||
| They say it will take up to 80 days to clear the backlog. | ||
| I mean, I'm just now discovering there's a whole community of people who track shipping. | ||
| Shipping and containers and freight. | ||
| And containers used to cost $1,000, $2,000. | ||
| You rent the container, they ship it over, and then you send the container back. | ||
| Now containers are going for $20,000 or $30,000 because there's no containers. | ||
| And you can't get shit from China. | ||
| There's not enough people to work in some factories like cardboard. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Yeah, look at here. | ||
| Saddle and images show backlog of containers awaiting... | ||
| Yan Tian! | ||
| I said it exactly right. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Backlog of... | ||
| Go back to that, please. | ||
| Backlog of containers awaiting export... | ||
| That's June 17th, so that's a couple weeks ago. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So those are all the backlogs. | ||
| Of course, we've already seen incredible inflated prices with lumber and food, gas, everything's more expensive. | ||
| Right, and then there's been these explosions. | ||
| There's like three explosions at gas facilities. | ||
| There was the one in the ocean. | ||
| You saw that one, right? | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| We have the ransomware. | ||
| The Gulf of Mexico's on fire. | ||
| Isn't that fucking crazy? | ||
| I think the ransomware is a bigger problem. | ||
| Right, but that shit was wild. | ||
| The Gulf of Mexico, oh, it's under control, says Mexico-owned oil company. | ||
| The fact that the ocean is on fucking fire, I mean, out of all this shit, it's like 2021, it's like, listen, 2020, we got a new act. | ||
| Your Tesla will burn for three days, too, my brother. | ||
| It will? | ||
| Oh my god, have you not seen these Teslas when they crash and they burst into flames? | ||
| It takes 30, 40,000 gallons to put them out. | ||
| They keep burning, like birthday candles. | ||
| Are you an anti-Tesla guy? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| Do you have one? | ||
| No. | ||
| How come you don't have an electric car? | ||
| Because I like control over my fuel. | ||
| What about solar panels that power your house? | ||
| I'm looking right now. | ||
| I think where we live, we moved out to Hill Country. | ||
| We have our own well. | ||
| We have propane. | ||
| And so the only thing we don't have is we have a septic tank. | ||
| So my shit is my shit. | ||
| I had a little fox in my yard today, and he was screaming. | ||
| You ever heard a fox scream? | ||
| Yeah, and they jump. | ||
| Was he jumping like this? | ||
| No, but I want to play this because it's a crazy noise. | ||
| It's like a high-pitched whine. | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| It's like a bark. | ||
| Oh, I only have seen British foxes. | ||
| Maybe they sneak a different bark. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird noise. | ||
| Where am I going to find this? | ||
| So yeah, I'm looking at wind power. | ||
| I'd like to have something that at least I can store. | ||
| The batteries, it's just a backup, just to be able to run some essential stuff. | ||
| I think wind may be more efficient where I am than solar. | ||
| I really want a backyard nuke is what I really want. | ||
| I'll take that in the heartbeat. | ||
| Backyard nuke? | ||
| Yeah, they're coming. | ||
| They're coming. | ||
| They are? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| For real? | ||
| Yeah, eventually. | ||
| The new nuclear reactors are quite impressive. | ||
| They eat their own waste. | ||
| There's actually no waste product from it. | ||
| You can put a small one into the ground. | ||
| They kind of reverse the process so the rods, by default, don't fall down. | ||
| I'm butchering this, but I know a lot of nuclear physicists who have explained this to me. | ||
| Particularly Rod Adams, if you want to know what's going on. | ||
| And so you'll be able to power a whole town or a city or a section of a city. | ||
| And of course, it's incredibly environmentally friendly. | ||
| The problem is the fuel costs nothing. | ||
| So there's a lot of people who don't want that, mainly the oil companies. | ||
| The idea of having a nuke in your backyard doesn't freak you out? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| That freaks me out. | ||
| I can't find the video. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck I did with it. | ||
| I hope I didn't delete it. | ||
| But there was an actual little fox in my backyard going, wah! | ||
| Weird noise. | ||
| It's like the deer. | ||
| We have deer now, of course, and they hiss immediately. | ||
| Like, fuck you, bitch. | ||
| Oh, they're blowing at you. | ||
| Yeah, it's called blowing. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Blowing? | ||
| Yeah, they're alerting all the other deer that a predator is near. | ||
| So they're all on alert. | ||
| Get off my turf, then. | ||
| Well, yeah, they don't want you to eat them. | ||
| That's what that is. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Hey, that's another thing I have. | ||
| If everything goes to shit, I got some deer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I got stuff to eat. | ||
| Do you know how to hunt? | ||
| I'm a good shot. | ||
| Look, the deer are idiots. | ||
| They come up there, boom, I got them. | ||
| They're going to learn. | ||
| Take a few of them out. | ||
| Have I ever told you about kangaroos? | ||
| What about them? | ||
| I did a documentary in 1990 in Australia and I went out with a roo-shooter. | ||
| A roo-shooter? | ||
| They have to call the kangaroos because there's 50 million of them and they fuck like rabbits. | ||
| So they give the roo-shooter a number of tickets so he can shoot 10 or 20 or 30 kangaroos, only the males. | ||
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Right. | |
| And so you go out into the outback in the middle of the night, and it's pitch black, and the guy's just driving, nothing's on, and then all of a sudden they'll stop. | ||
| It's like an open jeep. | ||
| Turn on a floodlight, boof! | ||
| And the kangaroo's like... | ||
| And they sit there, and the guy goes, boom, get him, falls down. | ||
| The kangaroo next to that one will go... | ||
| And they're completely stupid. | ||
| Then they hoist them up by their balls, by their testicles, because that's the strongest part, onto the side of the truck. | ||
| What? | ||
| Their testicles are stronger than their feet? | ||
| Well, the balance is perfect, because you can grab them, hang them upside down, and they break the left hind leg so it's not flapping in the wind, and they tie it back, and they're good to go. | ||
| And they are, I always thought kangaroos, Skippy, you know, this is cute. | ||
| Man, they are not cool. | ||
| They're stinky, they're nasty, they're ugly, and they will fuck you up real easy. | ||
| Yeah, they'll kick your ass. | ||
| With the tail, where they'll kick you, all kinds of stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, that's scary. | ||
| And they're seven feet tall, seven, eight feet tall, some of these guys. | ||
| Yeah, the red ones, the big ones. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, they're really enormous. | ||
| So, if it's animals like that, I know all I need is a gun and a searchlight and a jeep. | ||
| They just did it. | ||
| There you go, roo shooter. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And do they eat them? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| They're good, right? | ||
| Yeah, kangaroo. | ||
| No, I found it to be kind of tough. | ||
| Well, that's all just how they cook it. | ||
| Well, I had several prepared for me in Australia, and I just never really got the hang of it. | ||
| They probably just don't know how to do it. | ||
| If they slow-cooked it, like if they had a slow cooker or... | ||
| You ever do a stew in a slow cooker? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You cook it all day long? | ||
| With some red wine? | ||
| Yeah, you can totally take a piece of very, very tough game meat. | ||
| But 1990s, when Australians still had guns, and they were like, hey, mate, fucking Paul Hogan, they were like rough and tough. | ||
| He was like, God... | ||
| In the Outback, you know, we were with guides, and they literally set up like a manhole cover with a fire under it, and that was for throwing the goddamn steaks on. | ||
| It was truly shrimp on—no shrimp on the Barbies. | ||
| Roo meat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What a great experience. | ||
| But it was real tough, huh? | ||
| These guys were badass. | ||
| So nice. | ||
| And then drink, drink, drink. | ||
| VBs, Victoria Bitters. | ||
| Like, just one—and, oh, there's three more. | ||
| Keep drinking. | ||
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What? | |
| What? | ||
| And I went to a spinsters and bachelor ball. | ||
| I don't know if they still have these. | ||
| What's a spinster? | ||
| So it's like a debutante ball, only Australian style. | ||
| So you go there, and all the boys and girls from the town or the village, it's a two-day or three-day event. | ||
| And you go in, you pay one fee, drink as much as you want. | ||
| They tie a tin cup to your body so you won't lose it. | ||
| And they just drink and fuck all weekend long. | ||
| There's puke everywhere. | ||
| And then on the last day, they go out and bach the ute. | ||
| So it's a utility vehicle. | ||
| It's like a pickup truck without the bed and a souped-up engine. | ||
| And they bach it, like... | ||
| And then they go in the mud and they play Demolition Derby. | ||
| They put carbite in milk containers and blow them off. | ||
| So fun. | ||
| I don't know if they still do that. | ||
| I was 30 at the time, but man, I fell in love with Australia. | ||
| Is it right here? | ||
| First comes Snapchat, then Bachelor and Spinsterball. | ||
| So they're still doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god, they're on the roof. | ||
| They're drunk on a roof. | ||
| What could go wrong there? | ||
| Look at all these kids. | ||
| Look at these wild fucks. | ||
| Look at them. | ||
| And you get your swag in the back of your ute. | ||
| Are those cashed up bogans? | ||
| Is that what you would call them? | ||
| I don't know how they call it. | ||
| That's that expression. | ||
| Cashed up bogans. | ||
| They're explaining that to us when we're down there. | ||
| Yeah, this is pretty much it. | ||
| Why are those guys covered in blood? | ||
| Fire, fire, lots of fire. | ||
| Because, you know, we fight. | ||
| What the fuck happened? | ||
| You gotta fight. | ||
| That's a ute, see, with the back with the open bed. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, putting that shit on fire, crashing into stuff. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And that's what it looks like after day two. | ||
| Covered in blood. | ||
| Everyone's asleep. | ||
| Drunk. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Wild fucking people. | ||
| You've never been to Australia? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I've been a few times. | ||
| Well, you didn't do it right. | ||
| I guess not. | ||
| I guess not. | ||
| But I don't know if it's still like that. | ||
| I don't think it's... | ||
| Bachelors and spinsters. | ||
| But isn't a spinster like a negative phrase for a woman who doesn't have children who's older in America? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They call them spinsters? | ||
| This is old colony, penal colony English. | ||
| I don't know what they were thinking. | ||
| It's funny how they're so nice over there, but they come from prisoners. | ||
| I mean, that was the beginning. | ||
| It's weird, right? | ||
| Because it's such a friendly country. | ||
| There's a lot of Dutch influences in Australia, a lot of different countries. | ||
| And of course, there's some Asian influences. | ||
| It's a very interesting place. | ||
| There are relatively few people for the size of the mass. | ||
| Oh, tiny. | ||
| Contiguous United States, the same size as the contiguous United States, but there's less people than California. | ||
| 25 million people or something. | ||
| And I took the train to Perth all the way to Western Australia. | ||
| It's a 24-hour train ride. | ||
| You go through nuclear testing grounds. | ||
| Little wasteland where they tested nukes. | ||
| You kind of just go right through it. | ||
| It's an old train. | ||
| It's like the Oriental Express. | ||
| It's the Pacific... | ||
| The Asian Pacific Line, I think it's called. | ||
| And you sleep on the train, and it's the most boring 24 hours I've ever witnessed in my fucking life. | ||
| Just flat ground, nothing on it. | ||
| Because we were doing the documentary, they let me sit up front with the engineers, whose only job is every... | ||
| 30 seconds to hit the dead man's button. | ||
| And they'll be talking with you. | ||
| What's the dead man's button? | ||
| Oh, so if the countdown clock, I think it's 30 or 40 seconds. | ||
| If it's 40 seconds, you haven't hit the button, the train stops. | ||
| And then you have to reset the train because apparently the engineer died or was incapacitated, so the train isn't just running by itself. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| And you'll be looking at this big readout going 3, 2, and like, dude! | ||
| And he hits the button, you know, he's doing all that kind of shit. | ||
| Hit it with his foot at one second left to go. | ||
| That was the fun part, but otherwise, oh my god. | ||
| Imagine that job, every 30 seconds, just having to hit this button. | ||
| And there's probably some weird temptation to just let it go to zero. | ||
| I would not be good for that. | ||
| I'd be like, my OCD Tourette's everything hits. | ||
| I'm like, no, no, no, no! | ||
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Fuck, fuck, fuck, shit, fuck! | |
| That would creep me out. | ||
| It's an impossible job. | ||
| My buddy Adam Greentree is from Australia, and he's in the mining business, and he's- Opal mining? | ||
| Is he from Coober Pedy? | ||
| Honestly, I don't know what kind of mining, but he's- Bitcoin mining? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| It's actual in the ground mining. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Old school. | ||
| But my point is that he worked with a lot of indigenous people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a lot of those people, he was explaining to me how they had, there's these, what they call mobs, like their tribe is called a mob. | ||
| And there would be one mob here and then there's another one, you know, 20 kilometers over there and they don't even speak the same language. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they don't have it written down, so they don't know, like... | ||
| And then there's another one 30 kilometers that way. | ||
| Totally different language as well. | ||
| And they don't speak the same language, so they can't communicate. | ||
| He's like, there might be a hundred of them like that. | ||
| And I'm like, wow, there's like... | ||
| So there's... | ||
| Do they have smartphones? | ||
| They got iPhones out there, do you think? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure they do. | ||
| Adam does. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure a lot of people do. | ||
| But the indigenous Aborigines, they must have a cell phone. | ||
| Well, they work for him on the mine, so they're earning money. | ||
| So I'm sure they probably... | ||
| They got pagers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sure they have phones, but he was telling me this horrible story about this one... | ||
| I forget who did this to these people, but there was a story about these people that got poisoned. | ||
| They gave them food. | ||
| They gave them food, and they were basically living in a cave. | ||
| Adam Greentree has it. | ||
| There's a YouTube video series that he's involved with now where he's talking about some of his adventures. | ||
| And he came upon this cave where these indigenous people had lived, these aborigines had lived, and they were all dead. | ||
| They had all been poisoned. | ||
| So they poisoned men, women, children, hundreds It's like the American Indians here. | ||
| They were fighting amongst themselves, enslaving people all the time. | ||
| I think this was white people poisoning them. | ||
| Oh, that's fucked up. | ||
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It's a genocide. | |
| Fucked up no matter what. | ||
| They had decided that these people, for whatever reason, had to go, and so they poisoned their whole family, the whole tribe. | ||
| God put a weird fucking piece of shit into us, didn't it? | ||
| It's like, you can be good people, but we all are susceptible to a very mean and evil streak. | ||
| I think we had lived tooth and claw for so long that it's in our DNA. We forgot about I think we had lived tooth and claw amongst predators and amongst neighboring warring tribes, and that shit is in us. | ||
| So maybe that's what's happening, except instead of clubs and other things, we first start on social media, and we start tooth and claw, as you say. | ||
| Ah, fuck this. | ||
| Surround them, strategies, etc. | ||
| And that's very easy then to spill over. | ||
| It's essentially, as you pointed out, sloppy on both sides. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Both sides sloppy. | |
| They could have been from the exact same tribe as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| And by the way, they switched tribes, right? | ||
| Like on social media. | ||
| Sometimes people are like, that's it, I'm becoming conservative, or that's it, I'm becoming a liberal. | ||
| Well, in general, these labels are bad. | ||
| Just labels in general. | ||
| I mean, you're not conservative, liberal. | ||
| You're Joe. | ||
| You're Joe, and you have certain ideas that are unique to you. | ||
| I have certain ideas unique to me. | ||
| We may agree, we disagree. | ||
| We don't have to fucking agree. | ||
| We can just have a good time and chat and smoke a cigar. | ||
| And talk philosophically and learn from each other. | ||
| This is an art that is lost. | ||
| And podcasting does bring some of that back. | ||
| What these people show, what I see just based on them behaving and what they look like, is a lack of personal accountability and a lack of discipline. | ||
| Those things are huge for cultures and we've always had that. | ||
| Life has always been hard and it's good that life is not hard, right? | ||
| It's good that babies, we don't have a high infant mortality rate. | ||
| It's good that people don't die when they have diseases or they don't die when they break their leg. | ||
| It's good that we have... | ||
| Science and medicine and civilization that has a bunch of safety nets, so we make sure that we keep people alive and safe and comfortable. | ||
| But the problem with that is in comfort also comes complacency. | ||
| There's a lot of people today that have this feeling of entitlement. | ||
| And this feeling of society's bullshit burned to the ground without an understanding of how unique this society is and how fragile it is. | ||
| They are very privileged and entitled to be able to even do that and take action upon it for sure. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| The elites of the world, the Davos Club, I would say, the central bankers and politicians, I understand why they, and this goes back to before climate change, the population bomb. | ||
| They've always wanted to contain population. | ||
| And Prince Philip would say, well, most people are just useless eaters. | ||
| They're cannon fodder. | ||
| And to some degree in the world of how everything works, I can see their point from their point of view. | ||
| It's like, you're out there doing this shit. | ||
| You're useless. | ||
| We don't really need you. | ||
| How do we cull you? | ||
| Eugenics was a real thing all over the world, the United States. | ||
| The Georgia Guidestones still kind of show us that, hey, the population should really be 500 million people. | ||
| I understand where they're coming from. | ||
| Is that a worldwide population? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know the Georgia Guidestones. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But who the fuck made those Guidestones? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I think it's a lot less spooky or nefarious as just someone who said, hey, if the world goes to shit and everything blows up, these Guidestones will show you, A, how to tell time, how to tell direction, how to keep a calendar, and I have a couple other things here, which is, hey, don't let it grow by 500 million because it turns to shit and you'll do it all over again. | ||
| I think that's the basic idea of the Georgia Guidestones. | ||
| But, of course, technology has changed everything. | ||
| There's no reason why we can't make enough food for everybody. | ||
| We do all have to kind of be on the same playing field and participate in the system. | ||
| And I think that we've seen a class that is academic or that really doesn't participate directly in the labor force and production. | ||
| We've kind of lost that. | ||
| And technology is a part of that. | ||
| We are in some amazing times. | ||
| The world will never be the same. | ||
| You and I used to have the phone connected to the wall, and the TV had an antenna that came over the air. | ||
| It's reversed! | ||
| And the phone had a dial. | ||
| Remember that, Jazz? | ||
| I love watching millennials... | ||
| Who can't dial. | ||
| They're like, how do I do this? | ||
| How do I make the phone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you could also do it by hitting the hang-up, the receiver. | ||
| You could dial a number that way. | ||
| Go, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, nine, ten. | ||
| That'll be zero. | ||
| One, two, three. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
| It was the same process. | ||
| You're basically doing it. | ||
| The number, that's it just connecting and disconnecting. | ||
| What? | ||
| I told you I was a nerd. | ||
| Really? | ||
| This is my shit, yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So you could dial like 323-158-6666? | ||
| And then later, I actually sold for hundreds of guilders at the time. | ||
| Guilders? | ||
| I'd gone to the U.S. on a vacation, family vacation, and you had phone dialers, which was the doo-doo-doo-doo. | ||
| You could have a little address book, or you could just store a number, and you could hold it up to the receiver, and it would dial like a touchtone. | ||
| There were no touchtone phones in the Netherlands. | ||
| They only had dial. | ||
| And what I found out by accident is that if you went to a regular phone booth and you used the... | ||
| It would connect without putting any money in. | ||
| So I was selling this to guys from Israel, from the Middle East. | ||
| I remember those in the 90s. | ||
| Through the swarma stores and everything. | ||
| I was like, oh my God. | ||
| And people were just racking up what would have been thousands and thousands in phone bills for free from public phones. | ||
| Was it called phone freaking? | ||
| Phone freaking, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I remember that. | ||
| Blue boxing. | ||
| All kinds of shit like that. | ||
| Do you remember people would have cards and the card would have like a code that you could enter? | ||
| You would be able to cheat the system and get free long distance? | ||
| Oh, and satellite dish. | ||
| We had those. | ||
| We had the hacked cards. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The encryption chips and all that stuff. | ||
| Gold card. | ||
| We sold them as gold cards. | ||
| This is an interesting thing about the free market, right? | ||
| People don't realize that at one point in time when you would call people, like if you wanted to call someone, if you lived in LA and you want to call someone in New York, you'd have to pay long distance charges. | ||
| You'd have to get your long distance carrier. | ||
| For no reason. | ||
| For no reason. | ||
| It wasn't difficult for the company to connect you? | ||
| No, that's not true. | ||
| There are reasons because of the phone company structure and they had to break up AT&T for its monopoly. | ||
| And so in order to have the free market, they had to basically deregulate the long distance service. | ||
| And that's when MCI came on board and they created competition to the old AT&T. And then with cell phones, there was roaming charges. | ||
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And roaming charges were significant. | |
| Not even outside the tri-state area. | ||
| When I first got a cell phone was in 1989, or 88? | ||
| 88. And you had long-distance roaming charges when you went to a certain part of the state. | ||
| So you'd be driving around. | ||
| Like if I had a gig, and I made a phone call from a gig on the way to western Massachusetts. | ||
| It was like $1.50 a minute. | ||
| It was crazy expensive. | ||
| So my first in-car device was a two-way radio hooked up to the Dutch telecom system. | ||
| So you'd call and you'd go, Anton 3450. They'd say, Anton 3450, who do you want to call? | ||
| You'd give them the number, and then they'd patch it through. | ||
| And you'd have to be calling, like, hey, Joe, it's Adam, over. | ||
| And you'd be like, hey, Adam, how you doing? | ||
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Oh, CB radio. | |
| Over. | ||
| It was... | ||
| Like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but it was all government-controlled. | ||
| It was very expensive to place that call. | ||
| And someone could call a number and say, call Anton 3450. What year was this? | ||
| 82. Wow. | ||
| No, 83. You're always ahead of the curve, bro. | ||
| But I had my first cell phone back then as well. | ||
| And it was basically a battery this big with a handle on it with a little antenna on the back. | ||
| And it had a car phone thing with a wire. | ||
| And it must have been a 10-pound battery. | ||
| And it was the cell phone. | ||
| And then later, when I moved to New York in 87, I got the Motorola. | ||
| StarTAC. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, 87. This was still the brick. | ||
| Yeah, I still have the brick. | ||
| I have the Radio Shack brick, which is even cooler, the black one. | ||
| And then, of course, it was at a certain point before BlackBerry, it was called RIM, RIM Mobile. | ||
| RIM had this system where you could get an HP digital assistant, you know, a little thing where you open it up and you had a calendar and you could add a little keyboard, you know, a piece of shit like that, plastic. | ||
| You could stick in a card and the card would then connect you to the RIM mobile network and you could send messages or emails to someone else who had that system. | ||
| And my buddy, my partner at the time, Ron Bloom, We were doing a sales call. | ||
| We're on the plane. | ||
| And we're poor, so we're both in coach. | ||
| He's there. | ||
| I'm back here. | ||
| But we're on the ground. | ||
| And you're like, beep-boop, beep-boop, sending messages back and forth. | ||
| And people are like, oh, that's fucking cool. | ||
| It's my buddy up there. | ||
| Beep-boop, beep-boop. | ||
| We're flying, right? | ||
| And this thing's still working while we're in the air because it had like a five-watt transmitter, some crazy shit like that. | ||
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And the pilot comes on like, ladies and gentlemen, we're having some issues with the altimeter here. | |
| Is it possible that everyone just makes sure that they have no cell phones or other systems that might be on by accident? | ||
| And we were the most hated fucking guys in the world. | ||
| They're like, what? | ||
| You're going to make us crash. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they thought. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| You had to shut your phone off when you got on the plane. | ||
| That was always a thing. | ||
| Until it wasn't a thing. | ||
| And then all of a sudden it was fine. | ||
| And your plane could be on the airplane mode. | ||
| The biggest problem of cell phones, certainly back in the day, was much less for the equipment. | ||
| But it's the sound that it would make on the radio headsets for the air crew. | ||
| You know, that sound when there's someone with a cell phone, even if here in the studio that could happen. | ||
| Oh, I remember those sounds. | ||
| You don't hear that anymore. | ||
| No, the technology certainly has improved. | ||
| Right, I remember that. | ||
| That was the main problem, because you'd pick that up, and that would be very irritating. | ||
| I forgot about that sound. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I witnessed the birth of all this shit. | ||
| It was so cool. | ||
| And we were so filled with promise and we really, you know, the world's going to be accessible and everything will be at your fingertips and we're all going to be able to interact and play with children from other lands. | ||
| And now we have Twitter. | ||
| Well, now we got Twitter. | ||
| Still, you dismiss it though, but Twitter has done a lot of wild shit. | ||
| But people have no education. | ||
| They should be teaching children about the internet, how it works, how you can use it to your own advantage outside of what is known as the internet. | ||
| The internet is not Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc. | ||
| But let me ask you this. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen with all the censorship? | ||
| The censorship that we experience on YouTube and on Facebook. | ||
| Twitter and Facebook and all these different platforms where oftentimes they're wrong. | ||
| They get things completely wrong like the lab leak theory. | ||
| They're censoring people and banning people for these things. | ||
| Where do you think this all goes? | ||
| Have you thought this through? | ||
| Yeah, it's already happening. | ||
| It's a segregation. | ||
| The segregation is people will be traveling in groups that are mainstream or not mainstream. | ||
| And on the street, you won't recognize anyone any differently, but they will have different information or they will share things in different ways. | ||
| They will probably associate with each other in different venues. | ||
| And it's just going to be the mainstream versus the non-mainstream. | ||
| And it's my belief that the non-mainstream will be much bigger, much larger, but because it's decentralized and you don't have one superstar somewhere. | ||
| Whereas in the news you have your superstars. | ||
| And the mind-control trap that people get caught in, the outrage. | ||
| I'm outraged. | ||
| I saw something on Tucker Carlson. | ||
| I'm going to go on Twitter. | ||
| I'm going to post that. | ||
| Oh, fuck that guy. | ||
| And then Rachel Maddow sucks. | ||
| And then someone else is... | ||
| Someone else is tweeting back at you, all that shit. | ||
| That's just drugs. | ||
| That's drugs. | ||
| I may want to dip into it from time to time just to see what's going on, but I'm going to be over here with people who are more civilized and the systems are civilized. | ||
| The systems are not... | ||
| It's algoized and nudging me into arguments, etc. | ||
| That's what Mastodon is, the Fediverse. | ||
| There's no algo. | ||
| So you come to the end. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| If no one posts anything that you're following, you're not going to see something new. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| Move on. | ||
| Go do your email or something else. | ||
| That is what people will choose. | ||
| It will be the path of least resistance, ultimately. | ||
| And it is pure freedom, but with all things freedom, it just takes a little bit of extra effort. | ||
| Isn't this best-case scenario, though? | ||
| It's happening now. | ||
| It's what's happening right now. | ||
| I don't think it's happening nearly as much as what's happening with Facebook and Twitter and YouTube. | ||
| It's perception. | ||
| But these curated social media networks where they do have things that are banned and do have things that will get you demonetized. | ||
| And the other thing is independent content creators like independent political correspondents or political journalists. | ||
| They're being ratioed. | ||
| They're doing something where they're limiting the amount of reach these people have, whereas they're accentuating the amount of reach that someone like CNN has or some large corporation has. | ||
| Give people some credit that they'll find alternatives. | ||
| If you keep bumping your head against the wall, you're eventually going to go and find something else. | ||
| I give some people credit. | ||
| But some people I see as those sloppy people outside of that, on both sides, outside of that wee spa, like hitting each other over the head with skateboards. | ||
| I don't think they're thinking that well. | ||
| But a part of that is, I don't know how large, but a part of that is Warhol's 15 minutes. | ||
| You know, we are a vain. | ||
| That's one of the deadly sins is vanity. | ||
| You know, greed, vanity, envy. | ||
| These are very bad things. | ||
| And then vanity takes over. | ||
| When I was the pretty boy, I knew I was fucking pretty, Joe. | ||
| I was very vain. | ||
| Oh, that's why you're in denial. | ||
| See? | ||
| He's admitting. | ||
| He knew he was pretty. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But back then, you downplay that. | ||
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Right. | |
| No, of course not. | ||
| But I knew that. | ||
| Is it to your advantage? | ||
| So, I think that... | ||
| Again, all I've seen... | ||
| I know more people who have... | ||
| I think everybody knows more people who know someone who has been cancelled versus someone who had COVID. Canceling is big. | ||
| Everyone sees it. | ||
| It's now a thing. | ||
| We call it cancel culture. | ||
| And people are looking for other avenues. | ||
| Hey, that podcast is gone. | ||
| I really like that podcast. | ||
| How do I get to listen to it? | ||
| Well, you go take this app or that app and you can find it. | ||
| Or you go over to Bitchute or any of these other things. | ||
| And when that starts to suck, we'll migrate that way. | ||
| The problem is people who think that they're going to be rich and famous, that's a very, very small amount. | ||
| That's like blogs. | ||
| Remember when blogs started? | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| I'm going to be rich. | ||
| I'm going to be like Andrew Sullivan. | ||
| It's going to be great. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| It didn't work out that way. | ||
| This is the hit factory. | ||
| Twitter makes and breaks stars within 45 minutes of being famous to going to be deplatformed. | ||
| It's a fantastic system. | ||
| It's entertainment, 100%. | ||
| And TikTok and Reels is supplanting Hollywood. | ||
| Hollywood is dead. | ||
| The business is either in China or it's Netflix and HBO... Oh, that's what I wanted to... | ||
| What did you think when you saw that John Cena shit? | ||
| Did that freak you out? | ||
| No, this is very necessary that we see these things. | ||
| People who are big fans of movies and sports franchises like the NBA, they have to see that they're the bitch. | ||
| They're the bitch of some people and not just a corporation, but of a government. | ||
| I think it's really good that people see that. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And the other thing I noticed is Hollywood no longer has influence. | ||
| Influencers have influenced. | ||
| It's the nut job on TikTok that influences. | ||
| It's the person on Instagram. | ||
| It's no longer John Legend and Christy Teigen. | ||
| The celebrities have no pull. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| Award shows? | ||
| Dead. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| No one's watching. | ||
| We're not interested in anything you have to say at all, at all, at all. | ||
| So it's done. | ||
| And they're flipping out too. | ||
| These are big shifts. | ||
| We did not just go through 15 months of COVID lockdown and, oh, we're okay. | ||
| Man, shit, we're going to figure it out. | ||
| We're going to see a lot of stuff has changed. | ||
| A lot of stuff for good. | ||
| But the human aspect of, dude, I don't want any part of that. | ||
| You got to kind of hit the bottom like all drugs. | ||
| Like, wow. | ||
| In the Atlantic today, Flanagan, I forget her first name, she quit Twitter for 28 days. | ||
| It's a pretty interesting article how she had her son manage that, and she goes through all these withdrawal symptoms that she had during this 28 days. | ||
| Very smart, educated woman, writer, and, you know, so it's a drug, and we just have to recognize. | ||
| It should be labeled, really. | ||
| I'm fine with Twitter, but it should say, this could be dangerous to your health, mental health, a number of other things. | ||
| Well, it's definitely addictive in terms of checking to see how people are responding to whatever you put out there. | ||
| You put something out there and then you respond. | ||
| I mean, imagine if, like, your podcast, you were reading responses to everything that you said in real time. | ||
| I do. | ||
| We have a chat room, which is live, and there's 2,000 or 3,000 people in there, and I see it. | ||
| And you engage? | ||
| Oh, they're trolls. | ||
| I call them trolls. | ||
| It's the troll room. | ||
| You're fucking trolls. | ||
| How many trolls today? | ||
| And they love that, and they troll, but they also give me great one-liners. | ||
| They're doing research on the fly. | ||
| All kinds of stuff. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| There's no mods. | ||
| No one kicks anybody out. | ||
| I can kick someone out for 10 minutes just to fuck with them, which is something I was just like, I fucking hate you. | ||
| Boom, you're gone. | ||
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Boom. | |
| But it's beautiful. | ||
| And do you think that maybe there's some benefit to the way you're doing it and also that like your numbers aren't unmanageable? | ||
| There's like when you say a couple thousand people, that's sort of a manageable number of humans. | ||
| Not in any type of chat environment. | ||
| It goes way too fast. | ||
| But that's really not the issue. | ||
| It's moving very quickly. | ||
| Just because of Podcasting 2.0, I was able to figure out that we probably have about a million to a million four people listening to each show, which is more than I actually thought. | ||
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That's a lot. | |
| Yeah, I thought it was 14 years. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| That's pretty awesome, though, dude. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| And consistent. | ||
| Twice a week, every week, same day, same time. | ||
| That's the trick, consistency. | ||
| And so a million people a show, but you're not on any of those rankings or any of those podcasts? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That's what's interesting, because that would be very high. | ||
| You would be ranked very high in those... | ||
| I think most of that stuff is gamed. | ||
| I don't ask people to do it. | ||
| Oh, no, it's 100% gamed. | ||
| We've never asked anyone to do that. | ||
| It's not interesting. | ||
| All we needed to know... | ||
| Can we pay the mortgage? | ||
| right and if no well fuck and we also a lot goes into it you can't just do a fucking podcast a lot goes into this certainly for for where we are we have a newsletter that we that we publish it goes out the day before every show which is to say hey here's some stuff that's going on he'll be talking about tomorrow remember to support us we don't my wife is a semi-retired c-suite level marketing communications communications officer | ||
| She says for non-profits, always non-profits, Ronald McDonald House charities most recently. | ||
| She says the number one reason why people don't donate to a cause is because the cause didn't fucking ask them to. | ||
| And you've got to get yourself over that hump. | ||
| By the way, Roganites, as they're known, that's what they're called? | ||
| Who come to our show and donate to No Agenda. | ||
| Hey, I'm a Roganite. | ||
| We even have a jingle. | ||
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Do-do-do-do! | |
| Rogan donation. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, of course! | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| When someone donates, they say, I saw you on Rogan, so now... | ||
| They haven't left you. | ||
| They're joining our tribe. | ||
| People from our tribe see you. | ||
| We talked about that one of these times, where it's this crossover, man. | ||
| That's what's so beautiful. | ||
| There's people from... | ||
| I think that's one of the things you pioneered above all is getting other people on your show who had a podcast or inspired them to become a podcaster. | ||
| That's really a big part of the contribution that you have given to what podcasting is. | ||
| And people forget that. | ||
| And it's not appropriate for every type of format, but when it comes to ideas and just talking about shit no matter what the topic... | ||
| This crossover has just created this beautiful network of web of people who have heard about some... | ||
| I was on Michael Malice, you know, that came through Tom Woods. | ||
| You know, these are also all people with great followings who have very different opinions from what is being told in the mainstream. | ||
| Count that all up. | ||
| I think we're much bigger than, you know, the couple hundred thousand that most cable news stations have, except for some exceptions. | ||
| It's an organic network. | ||
| Yeah, it took a long time to build, brother. | ||
| It took a long time. | ||
| But it's a network without contracts. | ||
| It's a network without... | ||
| There's no agreement other than just we're all just cool to each other. | ||
| One of the things that I recognized in the comedy world early on was that there wasn't the right amount of camaraderie with comedians because... | ||
| They were thinking of each other as competition rather than thinking of each other as comrades or colleagues or just fellow participants in this rare art form. | ||
| I don't know how many professional comedians there are in the country, but there's less than a thousand. | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| Like real ones who are out there doing it. | ||
| I mean, there's so few of us. | ||
| I'm like, we should stick together. | ||
| Not only that, we inspire each other. | ||
| If I'm around funny people, I want to work harder. | ||
| Plus, I love the art form. | ||
| When I go see someone like Tom Segura or whoever, and they're killing, it makes me feel good. | ||
| I want to laugh. | ||
| I love the art form itself, but also it makes me excited about creating. | ||
| And we make each other stronger by supporting each other and by encouraging people to go see each other. | ||
| I felt the same thing about podcasting. | ||
| And there was this weird competition in podcasting initially. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Where like people felt... | ||
| I gotta be number one. | ||
| Gotta be number one. | ||
| Gotta be number one on iTunes. | ||
| Gotta be the one. | ||
| Gotta be the man. | ||
| Yeah, it's like even if you are number one... | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It's all just... | ||
| And that spirit, when we started podcastindex.org, it's all free open source. | ||
| And 50 people now, more, 60 have shown up software developers who all have day jobs and they all have an idea. | ||
| One guy's creating an app and he thinks he can be successful with this app in one way. | ||
| Another guy is doing cells, statistics and data about podcasts and he's doing his own thing. | ||
| And so we're all kind of in this coopetition where we're developing the protocols and the features to be better and we all have our own little thing where we think we're going to be successful with it. | ||
| And all of a sudden there's like a developer conference and they do like a Zoom call with 25 people. | ||
| And I look at this like, holy fuck, here's at least a payroll of $25 million. | ||
| You couldn't find these people. | ||
| And they're more honest and more courteous to each other than in a corporate environment. | ||
| People are good, man. | ||
| There's a lot of great qualities, really. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
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They are. | |
| The problem with corporate environments is it encourages people to think about numbers instead of thinking about people. | ||
| That's the real problem. | ||
| We're talking about pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| It's not like they're all evil. | ||
| They're just people with families, and there's a diffusion of responsibility when you have a corporation that has hundreds of thousands of employees, and you're just one person making decisions and pushing buttons. | ||
| Departmentalization. | ||
| You don't really know what's going on. | ||
| That's what the government is very good at. | ||
| CIA is extremely good. | ||
| You know this. | ||
| That guy knows that. | ||
| No one has the full picture. | ||
| And there's an obligation to your shareholders to maximize profits. | ||
| That's your main obligation. | ||
| That's what people often overlook. | ||
| That is the business. | ||
| The business is the shareholders. | ||
| I took my company public in 1996 on NASDAQ. Early days, way before the dot-com boom. | ||
| And it was one of the most interesting and simultaneously disappointing experiences of my life. | ||
| Because I thought this was, wow, I'm in the big leagues. | ||
| I'm going public on fucking NASDAQ. We're a publicly listed company. | ||
| And the shenanigans and the lying and the cheating at that level of publicly listed companies was astounding. | ||
| Where a guy would look to, we got a deal. | ||
| It's done. | ||
| Consider it done. | ||
| We put out a press release, which is a big deal if you're a public company. | ||
| And the guy just turns out and fucks you. | ||
| For premeditated or accounting shenanigans or stock shenanigans, how stock prices are manipulated. | ||
| This is why GameStop exists. | ||
| This is the same young, mainly men, but a lot of women as well, who are disillusioned, GameStop is part of Bitcoin, I would say. | ||
| GameStop is... | ||
| We know that you're cheating on these companies like GameStop and AMC, etc., Nokia. | ||
| You're cheating. | ||
| You have a lot of shares that you say you have, but they're not really in the system. | ||
| So we're going to show you, and we're going to fuck you by buying all the shares that are available so your short position goes through the roof. | ||
| And look, it didn't end. | ||
| GameStop is still at like $200, $300. | ||
| And now other hedge funds have come in and they're eating themselves. | ||
| So this game is over. | ||
| The whole stock market is, if you look at the DTCC, it's the clearinghouse. | ||
| There's probably a thousand times more shares of every company that is traded than actually exists. | ||
| It's all in the system. | ||
| It's all fucking bullshit options. | ||
| This is what the Overstock CEO... What's his name? | ||
| Forget him. | ||
| He got a weird reputation because he was pro-Trump. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I should know his name. | ||
| Nah, Overstock. | ||
| Jonathan E. Johnson? | ||
| That's not your fake guy. | ||
| No, the ex-CEO. That guy's a bot. | ||
| The ex-CEO. Doesn't matter. | ||
| It's shenanigans. | ||
| And I think that the driving force behind Bitcoin... | ||
| Patrick Byrne. | ||
| Patrick Byrne, yeah. | ||
| The driving force behind Bitcoin is a lot of these very same older millennials who said, okay, I just got fucked throughout my whole life. | ||
| This is my destiny. | ||
| My dollar purchasing power is devaluing by 10% a year just by inflation. | ||
| It's real and part of that is printing money. | ||
| So unless I get a raise of 10% a year, I'm not going to be able to buy a house. | ||
| So enter, and this is why the history of money is interesting, enter Bitcoin, which went from a white paper to a currency in El Salvador and Paraguay maybe coming next within 10 years. | ||
| This is a story. | ||
| Actual money in countries from an idea, and no one owns it. | ||
| It's completely decentralized. | ||
| You can't change it. | ||
| You can't fuck with it. | ||
| And I see young people putting money into this and thinking, I'll check in 10 years. | ||
| I'm not worried about what happens now. | ||
| And I was a non-believer. | ||
| People sent me all kinds of Bitcoins, like, whatever, Beanie Babies is what I thought. | ||
| And I had 65, and I sold them at $1,000. | ||
| Like, wow, this is fucking great! | ||
| I can't believe this scam! | ||
| Now we're today at like 34, 35. It'll probably go over 100 by the end of the year. | ||
| I mean, it's math. | ||
| If you really look at what it is and you apply financial math, it's a great hedge against any other fiat currency like the dollar or the euro, etc. | ||
| And there are a lot of smart kids out there who have seen this and are driving this. | ||
| And they're driving it with memes. | ||
| And Tim Dillon's a part of this. | ||
| Bitcoin 2021 in Miami was a big meme fest, but it worked. | ||
| It's crazy shit. | ||
| There's something big happening here that is, for obvious reasons, not really being discussed in the mainstream, and that's truly what the movement behind Bitcoin is. | ||
| But don't you think the people in the mainstream, a lot of them are just still skeptical that it's going to stick? | ||
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Of course. | |
| Because you can't buy everything with it. | ||
| It took me seven years before I said, oh shit. | ||
| And I had to read the Bitcoin standard, cipher and moose. | ||
| Max Keiser may be a crazy fuck, but you get him together with Stacy, who keeps him on the rails, and the guy is a genius. | ||
| He really sees through a lot of what is coming, and he understands how the financial scams work. | ||
| And there's things that you don't know, like Lightning, the Lightning Network, which is literally Venmo for Bitcoin. | ||
| That exists now. | ||
| That's how we're doing the podcasting 2.0 streaming payments. | ||
| It goes instantaneously, almost no fee, done. | ||
| It's real quick. | ||
| But mainly people are using it to invest in and just as a store of wealth or a store of value. | ||
| And I'm 56. | ||
| I'm going to be 57 in September. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I'm going to do everything I can to support Bitcoin. | ||
| It's my daughter, too. | ||
| Support this generation. | ||
| Support their vision. | ||
| Try and make it work. | ||
| Give them applications. | ||
| It's a streaming podcast that's an actual people platform. | ||
| Using Bitcoin to exchange value. | ||
| I like your show. | ||
| I'm giving you this much in return. | ||
| So your show, is it financed by Bitcoin? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So Podcasting 2.0 is the ability for anyone to set up a wallet and use one of the new apps, newpodcastapps.com. | ||
| And while someone's listening, they can determine, oh, I'm going to send X amount per minute to that person. | ||
| So when I stop listening, the money stops. | ||
| What is new podcast apps? | ||
| Newpodcastapps.com. | ||
| It's just a domain name I registered. | ||
| There's like 20 different apps and services, all of them with great features and a lot of them with this value for value. | ||
| And the Android and Apple. | ||
| So this is it right here? | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| So Podcast Addict. | ||
| I've used Podcast Addict before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's a shit ton of them, and you also see a lot of the hosting companies that support it. | ||
| It's been quite a movement, you know, but just like podcasting in the beginning, it can take years and years and years. | ||
| This went much faster than I expected, to be quite honest. | ||
| These are all the people that are on the inside. | ||
| They understand what's going on. | ||
| They're all making it work, yeah. | ||
| They're all contributing, making it better. | ||
| It's stunning how many people we're talking about, though. | ||
| Like, when you were telling me the numbers that you get per download, I'm like, that's a lot. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Well, you know, your numbers were pretty big before. | ||
| We didn't know the numbers. | ||
| I mean, big numbers. | ||
| It's big fucking numbers. | ||
| Yeah, but it was more mainstream, right? | ||
| It was on the Apple thing, and it was, you know... | ||
| But it's no longer about... | ||
| If you're looking for money at all, podcasts, nothing is for you, in general. | ||
| Most people will not be successful with any type of media venture. | ||
| You're not cut out for it. | ||
| It's just a fact. | ||
| You know, boo-hoo. | ||
| But if you have a message and you understand how to convey it and people are interested, it is much easier. | ||
| This is kind of the OnlyFans example. | ||
| It's much easier to make a decent living off of a thousand people who support you directly. | ||
| Patreon is a very good example of this. | ||
| The problem is Patreon can also de-platform you. | ||
| That's the piece that I removed with the Bitcoin. | ||
| Patreon proves it. | ||
| Crowdfunding proves that people are willing to put their money where their mouth is and say, I want this product. | ||
| I'll prepay you to get it. | ||
| And I don't know how many of them fail, but there's a lot of disappointment there. | ||
| But this is alternatives to all systems that we have currently. | ||
| What I tell people about podcasting is you can't make money in podcasting if you're trying to do podcasting to make money. | ||
| But if you want to do a good job, if you just want to make a great podcast and you just keep doing it, you probably will, I can't guarantee, you probably will make money though. | ||
| You must ask your listeners, or as we call them producers, to support you. | ||
| You must ask them. | ||
| And what I found works early on with no agenda. | ||
| If you say, support me with five bucks a month, you get a lot of people who send you five bucks a month. | ||
| If you say, make it a number meaningful to you, whatever you thought this show was worth, how much value was it, you get a lot of people who send you five bucks. | ||
| Some will send you 50, and some will send you 500. You will make more money if you let the price discovery over to the value if you let the person who has consumed that determine what it's worth to them. | ||
| Some people spend 50 bucks like it's 5 cents. | ||
| And they also listen to my show, our show. | ||
| Some people, I mean, we have crazy numbers sometimes. | ||
| And so your newsletter is basically like things that you find interesting or worthy of discussion? | ||
| Stuff that's going to come up in the next show. | ||
| It's a tease. | ||
| It's a tease. | ||
| And a reminder. | ||
| Support the show. | ||
| Hey, we're going to do the show tomorrow. | ||
| And of course, we thank people in the show. | ||
| We don't have ad breaks, but we... | ||
| We stop and we thank people. | ||
| We tell them exactly how much money they sent in. | ||
| You can calculate it. | ||
| But they usually have very interesting notes. | ||
| And these notes are from the field and people have expertise in all kinds of different areas and they have something to say. | ||
| I find it very valuable content. | ||
| Well, it's a good relationship that you have, that's for sure. | ||
| It's very interesting the way you're doing that. | ||
| I like it a lot. | ||
| And I think it's very pure in that there's no one other than those people that you have to answer to. | ||
| Yeah, and they've built their own language and code around everything. | ||
| If you don't donate but you listen, you're a douchebag. | ||
| I didn't make that up. | ||
| We have a jingle. | ||
| Hey, here's my donation and called Jim out as a fucking douchebag. | ||
| Douchebag. | ||
| You can get de-douched. | ||
| I mean, there's all these little things. | ||
| So you get de-douched if you start contributing? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| If you ask for it, you say, hey, here's my money. | ||
| De-douche me. | ||
| We'll play the de-douche jingle. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You have a de-douched jingle. | ||
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That's hilarious. | |
| You've been de-douched. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| We have karma. | ||
| All kinds of different things. | ||
| Well, it's interesting to me that you were the first, and you have been doing this for so long, and this is where you've come to. | ||
| This is sort of the conclusions that you've drawn, and this is where you've decided to wind up. | ||
| And it seems like you're in a really good place. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It seems like you're very happy with how everything is. | ||
| Can I ask you? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How are you experiencing your move into Texas and in Austin? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm so happy to hear it. | ||
| I fucking love it here. | ||
| Because I feel a little bit responsible. | ||
| You are. | ||
| You are. | ||
| You hyped it up. | ||
| I did, and then I left. | ||
| You met the mayor and everything? | ||
| Man, you're rocking and rolling here. | ||
| I met the governor, got drunk with the governor. | ||
| Abbott seems like a pretty cool guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I like him a lot. | ||
| I love it here. | ||
| Was he really? | ||
| You got drunk with him? | ||
| Yeah, we ate barbecue and drank whiskey. | ||
| Did you fuck with his wheelchair and roll him around really fast? | ||
| No, that would be rude. | ||
| That would be hilarious. | ||
| I'm not interested in doing that. | ||
| My first gig was a hospital radio station when I was 15. It was a closed-circuit station. | ||
| That's where I got my chops, because I was a real professional. | ||
| And so it was one night a week. | ||
| And then my buddy and I did the show together. | ||
| We had to audition and go through. | ||
| I was 15. Like, oh, I can be this. | ||
| But what we do is we take these request forms out and hand them out to all the patients because they had three channels, the three government channels, and then number four, that was Radio Tulipa in the Tulip Hospital. | ||
| And we were so bored with this whole process of handing the shit out, but we said, why don't we take the kids down, because the studio was in the corner of like an auditorium, and we'll roll the beds down. | ||
| And they can sit there, they can watch us. | ||
| And I don't know what happened, but at a certain point, it was Iggy Pop's Lust for Life, and we're playing bumper beds with these kids, and they're tripping out, and it's like, fuck! | ||
| Fucking mayhem. | ||
| That's when I learned how to reinsert an IV, which is like, whoa, sorry. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I love that kind of interaction. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| I didn't grow up, but really Jersey, where I was for a lot of years, I have a Jersey mentality, which is certainly South Jersey. | ||
| Hey, it's Ray the Cripple. | ||
| It's Curry the Tickmeister. | ||
| It's all that shit. | ||
| We always call out the thing that's most obvious about you and then just put it in your face and it becomes normal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then it's okay. | ||
| Ah, what the fuck, man? | ||
| We're all just bros. | ||
| Yeah, people don't think that that's the case today. | ||
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No, it's very politically incorrect. | |
| So sensitive. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Well, I wish we weren't that sensitive. | ||
| But luckily, we can still be that way and joke and have a good time and laugh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We need more of that. | ||
| Well, I think the other thing about what you're doing with your community is you've kind of established an ethic, right? | ||
| You've established a way to communicate and to be able to have fun and fuck around with each other. | ||
| And it's so across all age groups and religions and sexuality. | ||
| We have an official transgendered of the No Agenda show, you know, except no substitutes. | ||
| And there's many of them. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They have meetups every single weekend. | ||
| There's a meetup around the world where they're just getting together. | ||
| 10, 15, 20, sometimes bigger, just to chat. | ||
| And very different opinions, but no one's triggered because, you're right, we have this language, this parlance, we're like... | ||
| It's okay, bro. | ||
| You have a difference of opinion. | ||
| One thing that does give me hope about podcasting is that podcasts, this podcast, yours, many others, you can have people differing political persuasions. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Have conversations and be civil with each other. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I've had people on this podcast that I fucking violently disagree with. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You've disagreed with me today even on things. | ||
| Yeah, slightly. | ||
| What did we disagree about? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some of the things about the nefarious intent, whether or not these things are actual conspiracies or whether or not people are just taking advantages of situations and it could appear to be conspiracy. | ||
| I mean, maybe I'm naive, or maybe I'm just pointing out human nature is hard to figure out. | ||
| Well, the world's history is pretty violent and bloody, and there's war and violence and blood and all kinds of shit going on at this very moment, and we just don't think about it. | ||
| And a lot of real conspiracies. | ||
| Yeah, and we think about our own shit, what's happening right now when we're being told to be... | ||
| Quiet and, you know, take your Soma. | ||
| Yeah, take your Soma. | ||
| Take your Soma and you'll be good. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of what it is. | ||
| But I really appreciate what you do, Joe, and for having me on again, man. | ||
| And again, I'm your fucking Tony Randall. | ||
| I'm your Regis Philbin. | ||
| I'll come in. | ||
| I'll bring it. | ||
| Whatever topic. | ||
| I can do it. | ||
| Fyka, sing and dance. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I appreciate you very much, brother. | ||
| You're a voice of reason out there. | ||
| It means a lot to me. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
| Thanks for being here. | ||
| Tell people how to get to your show. | ||
| What's the URL? Yeah, so the two things, noagendashow.net and podcastindex.org. | ||
| And that's who I am. | ||
| That's what I'm about right now. | ||
| Love and peace. | ||
| And Instagram? | ||
| No, I don't do Instagram. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Twitter. | ||
| Twitter's just an inbox. | ||
| It's a way for people. | ||
| I don't look at the timeline. | ||
| Okay, but Mastodon. | ||
| Or adam at noagendasocial.com. | ||
| You can follow me from any Mastodon anywhere in the Fediverse. | ||
| Alright, the Fediverse. | ||
| Alright, that's it. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| Thank you, sir. |
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