July 3, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train by day. | ||
| Joe Rogan Podcast by night. | ||
| All day! | ||
| Hello, Tony. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm wonderful. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| I didn't know you have no caffeine. | ||
| No caffeine for years. | ||
| How many years? | ||
| About two. | ||
| What is that like? | ||
| You sleep better. | ||
| That's right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was drinking coffee in the morning and then having to... | ||
| I would drink a cup at like four. | ||
| And I would drink a cup at four. | ||
| That would keep me up till 3 a.m. | ||
| every night. | ||
| Mmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I had to stop, because I'm an addict. | ||
| I have addictive personality, and anything can become habitual. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I had to be careful. | ||
| I think I'm an addict, too. | ||
| Well, you control it better than most. | ||
| Yeah, but it's the same thing. | ||
| You would be the definition of a high-functioning addict. | ||
| This has 300 milligrams of caffeine. | ||
| Now, what does that do? | ||
| When you drink that, how do you feel? | ||
| Sleep like a baby. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I can go to sleep under this table. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| 300 milligrams. | ||
| What does a regular cup of coffee have? | ||
| That's not even 100, I don't believe. | ||
| I think if you go to Starbucks and you get one of them whammy jammy 20-ouncers, I think that's a couple hundred milligrams, right? | ||
| We've done this before, right? | ||
| It's 225, I want to say. | ||
| 225. Starbucks is extraordinarily high in caffeine. | ||
| 95? | ||
| Oh, well 8 ounces, but 20 ounces is a venti, right? | ||
| So, maybe a little more. | ||
| Yeah, it's in the range. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| I started drinking coffee when I think my dad got me my first. | ||
| I wanted to try a latte. | ||
| We were in the Hamptons. | ||
| I was like nine. | ||
| And he said, yeah, try it. | ||
| And I started drinking coffee in my teens. | ||
| And I kept drinking it throughout my 20s. | ||
| And then I had to get rid of it. | ||
| But I loved it. | ||
| Nothing is better in the morning than coffee and a cigarette. | ||
| And you got rid of both of them. | ||
| And then I went back. | ||
| I go with cigarettes. | ||
| I go on and off. | ||
| Very bad. | ||
| How are you at right now? | ||
| Now is on. | ||
| You want a cigar? | ||
| I don't want a cigar, unfortunately. | ||
| You don't like cigars? | ||
| I don't like cigars. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, because you don't inhale. | ||
| So what's the fun? | ||
| You can see what happens. | ||
| But I quit. | ||
| I quit for 17 days. | ||
| I didn't smoke for 17 days. | ||
| And then I just started. | ||
| And then I'll quit for two months, and then I'll start. | ||
| It's very compulsive and very bad. | ||
| And when you smoke, do you smoke before shows? | ||
| Do you smoke all day long? | ||
| I don't smoke as much in the day. | ||
| But I will smoke, maybe I'll have one or two during the day, but at night, because I like to talk and bullshit. | ||
| So if I have a captive audience of people, like at my house, in my backyard, or at the comedy store if we're all standing in the parking lot, Whatever it is, it's just the smoking. | ||
| I was in Denver, and when it's humid, you don't want to smoke. | ||
| It doesn't feel good. | ||
| But when you're in Denver, it's cool nights like LA. You're a chimney. | ||
| It feels great. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't feel great, but it does. | ||
| Well, it gives you a nice head rush. | ||
| It gives you a nice head rush. | ||
| And of all the things I've been addicted to, cocaine, booze, pills, This is the hardest to get rid of. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Truly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This is the hardest to knock. | ||
| Because when somebody's drinking, I look at it and I go, okay, it doesn't look good to me. | ||
| I associate it with so much trauma that I go, I can't grab that glass of whiskey. | ||
| It'd be a problem. | ||
| But it really is. | ||
| I'm just like, that's just a cigarette. | ||
| Just a cigarette. | ||
| And it's a very tough addiction. | ||
| Is it that it's just a cigarette? | ||
| You think it's no big deal to smoke it because it's not going to fuck you up? | ||
| It's not going to get you drunk? | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| Then there's the addict brain that goes, we're having one. | ||
| We're having one. | ||
| We speak in the royal we. | ||
| We go we. | ||
| The addict brain is very interesting because it's a part of you, but it's also separate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like a separate part of you that isn't... | ||
| It's somebody else. | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| It goes, here's what we're going to do. | ||
| And you start listening. | ||
| You start going, okay. | ||
| This seems like a good idea. | ||
| And that's why when you go to AA or any of these programs, they go, you can think your way back into drinking or drugs because you can. | ||
| Because that addict... | ||
| It's like weird. | ||
| It's like, you know, you see the obviously like, you know, movies where there's a spaceship and then like there's a little module that just detaches from the spaceship. | ||
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Yeah, a pod. | |
| Yeah, a pod. | ||
| That's the attic brain. | ||
| It just detaches. | ||
| It goes, all clear. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| Just do one. | ||
| It makes sense to do one. | ||
| You're at the comedy store. | ||
| You had a good set. | ||
| You're amongst friends. | ||
| You deserve it. | ||
| You're in the parking lot. | ||
| You're not doing heroin. | ||
| People do heroin. | ||
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It's just the same. | |
| You're not beating a woman up. | ||
| You're just having a cigarette. | ||
| You can drive and smoke at the same time. | ||
| How bad can it be? | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| If they ban that, I think I'd quit. | ||
| But driving and smoking, to me, is the most fun I've really ever had in life. | ||
| There's nothing better than just rolling the window. | ||
| I bought that Range Rover. | ||
| I said, okay, I'm not going to smoke it. | ||
| It's a nice car. | ||
| All my friends go, you cannot smoke in that car. | ||
| And then the addict brain, you know, I think three stoplights in it goes, well, what the hell's the point? | ||
| You own this car. | ||
| You're going to not smoke in the car? | ||
| So I started smoking in the car. | ||
| And when I was an addict, I would wake up and I would take two Percocet and I would get a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich in Long Island and a cup of coffee and then drive to my mortgage job. | ||
| I was like 20, 21. And I would smoke cigarettes. | ||
| And I remember sitting in the car. | ||
| And it was a piece of shit. | ||
| It was like a Ford Focus. | ||
| But I would go, I'm just happy. | ||
| Things are just good. | ||
| Yeah, you're moving. | ||
| Things are happening. | ||
| Things are happening. | ||
| I'm going to get a better car, and I'm going to get a better life, but right now things are good. | ||
| So that's the biggest problem for me. | ||
| It's still there. | ||
| We were talking about Range Rovers before, about your Range Rovers fucking up. | ||
| You know what I really just realized while we were saying this? | ||
| You should be in a Cadillac. | ||
| You should get a fucking Escalade. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Have you driven one of the new ones? | ||
| I've not. | ||
| They're fantastic. | ||
| It's a real Tony Soprano car. | ||
| Oh my, the new ones are so good. | ||
| I want to check them out. | ||
| We've driven a couple of them whenever I go to do a gig. | ||
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They're so big. | |
| Dude, they're easy to drive. | ||
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Right. | |
| They're no bigger than your truck. | ||
| Maybe slightly bigger than your Range Rover, but so comfortable, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| First of all, I know you like comfort. | ||
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Right. | |
| You like that kind of thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They have this magnetic ride. | ||
| It's adjustable magnetic ride thing. | ||
| I don't know the technology behind it, but it fucking absorbs shit. | ||
| Like bumps in the road, just... | ||
| Just go right by. | ||
| Just smooths it over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so nice inside, too, and super comfortable, and the fucking screen goes like the dashboard is one giant screen, there's another giant screen to the left. | ||
| Yeah, it's nice. | ||
| See if you can get a video or an image of the inside. | ||
| Look at the inside of these fucking things. | ||
| I'm telling you, man, the new one, they knocked it out of the park. | ||
| It's fucking amazing. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Whenever we drive places or whenever we fly places and we rent one, I look forward to getting in these things. | ||
| Well, it's like a Lincoln Navigator. | ||
| It's like a boat. | ||
| It's like a luxury yacht. | ||
| That's another one that's awesome. | ||
| The new Lincoln Navigator is fantastic, too. | ||
| But I think out of the two, this is the one I would choose. | ||
| It's pretty fucking dope. | ||
| Scroll back down again. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It's a lot less expensive than a Range Rover. | ||
| And the RZA is doing a goddamn ad for it. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| That's the RZA from Wu-Tang. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| The guy who was on my podcast in Don L. Wrongs fucked it up. | ||
| It was a journey. | ||
| He didn't really fuck it up. | ||
| You like muscle cars. | ||
| You don't like comfort. | ||
| You don't want to feel lulled into a state of comfort. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I drove BMW Alpina. | ||
| It's one of the fastest sedans. | ||
| And I was just driving it like 180 miles an hour to go to Ralph's. | ||
| And I said, this is going to end up being a problem. | ||
| I'm going to kill myself or somebody else. | ||
| I'm not a great driver. | ||
| That's the other thing. | ||
| I'm not a great driver. | ||
| I've totaled five cars. | ||
| Not recently. | ||
| But I've totaled five cars. | ||
| In the booze days? | ||
| Back in those days. | ||
| A few hit and runs. | ||
| Nothing crazy. | ||
| No one got hurt. | ||
| No one got hurt. | ||
| It's just a horrible way to meet someone. | ||
| So I would always leave the scene. | ||
| But I was a bad driver. | ||
| And I remember I was in a car with my secretary. | ||
| One of the secretaries who worked in my mortgage office. | ||
| And I made like a left turn from the right lane. | ||
| And we hit a car head on. | ||
| And her head bounced off the glove box of the car. | ||
| And she had a big... | ||
| We were going to get drugs, and she's fine now. | ||
| And she wasn't a triathlete. | ||
| It wasn't like she was... | ||
| But she hit her... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It wasn't... | ||
| We were both sedentary. | ||
| But she hit her head, and it was a bowling ball-sized welt that filled up with blood or pus in the car immediately. | ||
| And we got out of the car, and I looked at her. | ||
| I'm like, man, I'm fucked. | ||
| And then I didn't drive for a year. | ||
| I've had my license suspended over 20 times. | ||
| 20 times? | ||
| Yeah, because I didn't pay tickets. | ||
| So, in Long Island, they would suspend your license. | ||
| And it's a serious crime in Long Island. | ||
| So, I've been to jail just for a few hours, but because I drove with a suspended license. | ||
| Like, they take you to jail, and then you have to get bailed out. | ||
| I mean, I had to pay thousands of dollars. | ||
| So, I'm not a great... | ||
| So, there's something about a comfortable car where I'm just like, let's just chill. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Let's just chill in an Escalade. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good feeling. | ||
| My ultimate goal is to drive. | ||
| Because there's something about just being in a backseat chillin' that I do like. | ||
| What if he starts complaining? | ||
| Well, it's going to be Alex Jones. | ||
| So he'll entertain me. | ||
| He'll drive the car. | ||
| I've only had half a bottle of vodka. | ||
| Half a bottle of vodka, I'm fine. | ||
| But I'm better now. | ||
| No accidents, nothing. | ||
| I'm very good now. | ||
| No, I do like driving comfortable cars. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| It's just, when I grew up, when I was a young boy, the cars that I would see, like when I worked at a gas station that would drive by, they were always American muscle cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, oh, look at that fucking thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's something burned into my DNA. Of course. | ||
| That loves those 1960s, early 1970s muscle cars. | ||
| Yeah, talking about like Mustangs and things like that. | ||
| Love them. | ||
| Love them. | ||
| I can't get enough of them. | ||
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Right. | |
| When I see them, like I get excited. | ||
| About those cars. | ||
| Yeah, like my friend Corey came to my house today and they had a 1968 GMC truck that had been rebuilt and it was beautiful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I just, something, I see those, I go, oh. | ||
| You get excited. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| Yeah, it's toxic masculinity. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's appreciation of American art is what it is. | ||
| That was probably one of the best eras in America, and if you look at the architecture, that mid-century modern architecture where you can find it in Palm Springs and parts of California and everywhere, but it's really concentrated there, that was the era when we were killing it across the board. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With what we were making. | ||
| Manufacturing. | ||
| Manufacturing. | ||
| Like we were making great products. | ||
| Our houses were beautiful. | ||
| We felt we were going to the moon or maybe. | ||
| But we were trying to. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| So when you go back to that era, it's kind of cool to look at things that were made in that era when we really believed we were at our zenith. | ||
| We didn't know it, but when you look back at that, obviously it wasn't, you know, people didn't have rights and things weren't nice, but just speaking strictly about the materials and the things we were making, we were top of the line. | ||
| But at least there was a recognition that people didn't have rights and it was wrong and they were trying to change it for the first time. | ||
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100%. | |
| 100%. | ||
| Now we're at a point where we go, people have too many rights. | ||
| Now we're going the other way. | ||
| I am seeing people legitimately tweeting transracial rights are human rights. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| They're legitimately trying to... | ||
| Transracialism... | ||
| There was a guy who got kicked off Twitter a few years ago. | ||
| He was really funny. | ||
| And he had a parody account. | ||
| Where he would write, hashtag, wrong skin. | ||
| And he was saying that he's black. | ||
| He's the whitest guy alive. | ||
| And he was saying, I was born in the wrong skin. | ||
| But he was a comic. | ||
| I used to go back and forth with him on DMs. | ||
| I thought he was hilarious. | ||
| I'm like, dude, your fucking account's brilliant. | ||
| And he was just fucking around. | ||
| That was his thing. | ||
| And he was always promoting this transracial thing. | ||
| But he was doing it just as a troll. | ||
| Because people would freak out. | ||
| They didn't realize it was a parody. | ||
| They'd get mad at him. | ||
| But people are actually fucking saying it now. | ||
| And do you see that? | ||
| The pop guy? | ||
| Yeah, the K-pop fan who had plastic surgery to make himself Korean. | ||
| He says he identifies with being Korean. | ||
| And you know who actually, Jamie might look this up because I believe I'm correct. | ||
| I believe Rachel Dolezal said I support this guy. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And that's real, right? | ||
| Yes, it's real. | ||
| Well, all it takes is a couple. | ||
| It's like, look, if you have one match and you try to start a forest fire, it might go out before you can get those pine needles lit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you have two matches... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now you gotta fire. | ||
| We got two? | ||
| We got two transracial people? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You might be able to get... | ||
| Look, people are willing to believe all kinds of nonsensical ideas. | ||
| Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who gained notoriety for claiming she identifies as black... | ||
| First of all, that's not enough of a description of her. | ||
| She was the head of the NAACP in Washington State? | ||
| I don't know where, but she was a... | ||
| She had power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, well, she was doing, arguably, she was doing good things for black folks that lived there. | ||
| She was running an organization that was designed to fight against discrimination, and she was doing it under a false pretense. | ||
| Well, it's like, you know, I always give this example. | ||
| My mother's a schizophrenic. | ||
| If instead of putting my mother in a mental institution and medicating her, we said, all of your ideas are great, and here's a profile in Rolling Stone, we'd have a real problem. | ||
| It's the reality. | ||
| And she has real mental illness. | ||
| It's not like I'm anxious. | ||
| She's nuts. | ||
| And you gotta medicate her, and she's gotta not live in society because she cannot handle it, right? | ||
| This is a fact. | ||
| If we were to then encourage this behavior, go, no, it's a good idea. | ||
| This is a great idea. | ||
| And if she was on the internet, people might be going, no, you're right. | ||
| Elvis might be your father, which is something she used to say at Christmas. | ||
| She was very possible that Elvis might be my father. | ||
| And my grandmother would go, I didn't have sex with Elvis. | ||
| And then my mother would go, but then you might not be my mother. | ||
| She's nuts! | ||
| Real nuts! | ||
| And that's why I get upset at these people that are like, I'm not upset with them, but like, everybody now has a thing. | ||
| Everyone's, I'm anxious, I'm depressed, I'm tired, I'm attacked. | ||
| And you know, reality is, real mental illness, you don't get a comedy special. | ||
| You don't get a profile in Rolling Stone. | ||
| You get locked up. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| Because you're a danger to yourself and others, which my mother is. | ||
| And I see this and I go, this is not people that are operating with full use of all of their faculties. | ||
| Something is wrong. | ||
| Something's wrong, but it's wrong in a mild way where they can justify this weird thing, especially at this time in society, where we'll tolerate this. | ||
| We'll tolerate it. | ||
| Not just tolerate it, we'll encourage it. | ||
| It'll be encouraged. | ||
| I think people are going to be transracial. | ||
| I think in the next few years, transracialism is going to be fully embraced, and then we're going to have black folks on our side, because they're going to go, hey! | ||
| Now this is too much. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| All this stuff about trans women competing in the Olympics, that wasn't as bothersome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dave Chappelle has a fucking brilliant bit about it. | ||
| I don't want to give away the bit, but he's got an amazing bit about it. | ||
| Yeah, it's strange. | ||
| It's hard to care about all this stuff, right? | ||
| I think that's also something that people are wrestling With how to do. | ||
| Well, also this guy picked Korean. | ||
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Right. | |
| The thing about Koreans is notoriously hard workers, notoriously very, very tough to get them to complain about shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're not the type of people that go, they fucking grind. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Koreans, like, you know, obviously just generalization, but very hard workers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're very well educated. | ||
| They embrace this idea that you're supposed to go out there and earn your place in life. | ||
| If someone comes along and says that they're Korean, they're not going to give a fuck. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They're not going to freak out. | ||
| They're just like, we're working. | ||
| We're busy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's wild to think that we're approaching that time, but we probably are. | ||
| In a few years, we're definitely going to have transracialism. | ||
| We're going to talk about this in two years. | ||
| There's going to be groups that are designed to help transracial people. | ||
| There's going to be transracial people that are going to try to get involved in affirmative action for transracial people. | ||
| China's gonna win and the reality is at this point it's almost like they may deserve to win like this is really so scary where you go when you look at it when you watch the YouTube videos and somebody goes there's an innumerable amount of pronouns and I will tell you what I'll be called when I'll be called and this that and the other thing and you watch people argue about this and you go here's the new language we've invented overnight and you look at wrestling with all this stuff and The idea that we're now here | ||
| where people are going, we're at transracialism. | ||
| It's really just the end of the West. | ||
| Have you seen neo-pronouns now? | ||
| I've seen them all. | ||
| I saw a girl with a mustache explaining the need for neo-pronouns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the other thing is if you destroy gender, it's incredibly offensive to gay people, right? | ||
| Like if I was straight, I would have sex with women. | ||
| If gender didn't matter, I would just hook up with women because my life would have been easier, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this whole idea that like gender It isn't real. | ||
| It's fluid. | ||
| Or fluid, or does it matter, is, in essence, kind of homophobic. | ||
| It's basically saying gay people don't exist, or their preferences are somehow bigoted, but it's like, no, biologically, there are people that are attracted to what, like, I was in Texas, I met some lesbian, one of them that didn't kick me off Airbnb, and she was saying that Every year they go out in like the wilderness of Texas and have some lesbian festival. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| It's just they play acoustic guitars and swim in a lake, whatever it is. | ||
| She goes, this year was the first year they got complaints that trans women couldn't attend, which is women with penises. | ||
| And they go, hey, we don't hate anybody. | ||
| We love everybody. | ||
| But like, this is a festival for lesbians. | ||
| And they didn't want biological men at the event because that's not what they're into. | ||
| They're not into penises. | ||
| So if you show up and you're a nice person, that's great, but they're trying to hook up in the wilderness. | ||
| They're trying to meet women with vaginas. | ||
| So they said they got an insane amount of hate. | ||
| For just specifying that it's a woman-only event. | ||
| And they go, you didn't include trans women who may or may not have transitioned. | ||
| They may just be like, hey, they said you didn't include non-binary. | ||
| You didn't include any of that. | ||
| And they go, but here's our thing. | ||
| Genitals matter to us because we don't want to hook up with dudes. | ||
| So that's how crazy we're getting now. | ||
| There was a tweet the other day that said, we're not fully equal until you don't care about your date's genitalia. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Yeah, that's real. | ||
| People are going, if you don't care about, if you go out with somebody and you care about what gender they are, you're harboring deep-seated prejudices. | ||
| That's how crazy we've gotten. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| It's a very small percentage of very loud people. | ||
| It's a small percentage of people, but they're all over Hollywood. | ||
| They're all over the universities. | ||
| I mean, the people that hold these viewpoints are not, you know, the people that, like, You know, believe that the Holocaust didn't happen are not at Yale. | ||
| They're, who knows, they're in a, you know, some small, they're not a powerful faction of people. | ||
| They're like usually kooks, right? | ||
| The people that believe this stuff are like controlling large institutions and that's scary. | ||
| It is scary and it bleeds out into corporations because then they graduate and then a lot of them go into these corporations and the corporations are dealing with, if you're hiring 20 people straight out of the university, you have 40 employees, half of your employees have been indoctrinated into this crazy Marxist, leftist, idealistic perspective that they've been taught in college by people who've never been in the real world. | ||
| Which is where it gets really crazy. | ||
| You take people who go from universities straight into being employed by universities, so they stay in this echo chamber, and they teach it to kids, and then these kids go and infect these universities with this crazy, woke bullshit. | ||
| Well, gay people don't understand it. | ||
| A lot of them that are over a certain age, I have a joke in my act now where I say, you get no sympathy for being gay from a kid. | ||
| Go tell a 16-year-old it was tough coming out of the closet. | ||
| They'll turn around and be like, Do you know how hard it is to be a pansexual communist witch? | ||
| So there's no, like being a white gay dude in your 30s, you might as well be a Nazi. | ||
| I mean, they're just like, you're the problem. | ||
| So most people just don't understand this. | ||
| But the people that don't understand it are sick and tired of fighting. | ||
| Because I get it. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| And people just say, you know what? | ||
| I just want to join my friends and family and whatever and let these people do whatever they want. | ||
| The problem is then those people that run around unchecked, then we live in an insane world. | ||
| Well, not just in the same world, but part of what's going on with these people is forced compliance. | ||
| Like, they want you to agree to their list of demands, like people with penises should be able to go in a women's bathroom. | ||
| Like, you saw that thing that happened in Los Angeles at the spa? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where this lady's like, there's a guy in the women's room walking around with his dick hanging out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know, was she with a child? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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| Was she with a child? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember if she was with a child, but she was fucking furious. | ||
| And they were like, well, that person identifies as a woman. | ||
| She's like, well, I'm looking at his dick. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, this is crazy. | ||
| So now- You should have to commit, I think. | ||
| But people are protesting now against that spot. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They're organizing this big- They're saying, mask up and let's smash trans- Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exclusive Saturday Showdown is in the work for over trans blow-up at Y-Spot. | ||
| Like, this is how crazy it is. | ||
| This is how crazy it is. | ||
| Mineral salt massages and hydrodermabrasion facials weren't enough to calm the nerves of some patients at the WeSpa, Koreatown Health Club. | ||
| Scene of a showdown over nudity in gendered spaces after a customer confronted spa staff about a trans woman with male genitals being allowed to disrobe in the spa's female section. | ||
| The ruckus was caught on camera and quickly went viral on Twitter on Sunday. | ||
| Fueling a furious online debate with threats of a boycott against the spa about the rights of trans people to use women's spaces. | ||
| I hate that term spaces. | ||
| It really drives me crazy because it's one of those loony new ways of talking about things. | ||
| Versus the rights of cisgender female. | ||
| I hate that word too. | ||
| Biological females to not be exposed to male anatomy. | ||
| As of Tuesday morning, a pair of videos shared by the pro-Trump conservative commenter Ian Miles Cheong had 596,000 And 223,000 views, respectively. | ||
| According to users on Twitter, a protest is being planned for 11 a.m. | ||
| on Saturday, July 3rd at the WeSpa. | ||
| WhySpa? | ||
| Counter-protesters are calling for their ranks to arrive at 10 a.m. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So let's play it. | ||
| Let's hear what happens, because I didn't listen to it. | ||
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Clear with you. | |
| It's okay, it's okay for a man to go into the women's section, show his penis around the other women, young little girls under age, your spa, we spa, condone that. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Like I asked. | ||
| It's so he can stay there. | ||
| He can stay there? | ||
| What sexual orientation? | ||
| I see a dick. | ||
| It lets me know he's a man. | ||
| He is a man. | ||
| He is not no female. | ||
| He is not a female. | ||
| He is not a female. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| So now this is a black woman, I believe. | ||
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Okay, girls down there, other women who are highly offended for what they just saw. | |
| Well, this is what Kurt Metzger would call an intersectional car crash. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Because now you have to go to like a court and go, who gets to... | ||
| The argument about trans, which we all understand there's genuine cases of gender dysphoria and people say I'm happier in the other gender and some of those people can't afford surgeries and a lot of them want to have them. | ||
| But the whole argument was like this is how seriously that trans people feel about being in the wrong body. | ||
| They're willing to correct it via surgery. | ||
| And the new argument is that the surgery is incidental and that your lived experience, your identity is going to be something that people are always going to have to inquire about and may change three times during the day. | ||
| And this is just not efficient. | ||
| Let's talk about efficiency. | ||
| It's not efficient. | ||
| I mean, if you go out to a restaurant, you're supposed to go, here are my pronouns, here are his pronouns, and then the waiter's supposed to go like, here are my pronouns. | ||
| And it's like, hey guys, who gives a fuck? | ||
| What are the specials? | ||
| Like, there's nothing efficient about this. | ||
| And we can't honor and respect every human being's need to feel good at every moment of the day. | ||
| Being uncomfortable and feeling weird is where people grow, and you're just going to have to grow, unfortunately. | ||
| It's not an efficient society to just make sure that you're never offended, you're never misgendered. | ||
| Well, if you're a man and you do a good job of looking like a woman, people are going to call you she. | ||
| And if you are a woman and you do a great... | ||
| I will call Caitlyn Jenner she. | ||
| I'll call her governor. | ||
| I'm supporting her to be the governor. | ||
| I think she's the best option. | ||
| And unironically, I think she's probably good. | ||
| She has some good points about the police. | ||
| She has some good points about traffic and homelessness. | ||
| She's got good points. | ||
| You need a conservative trans person in that state. | ||
| It's not a bad idea. | ||
| It's not a bad idea. | ||
| And I'll start listening to non-binary people when I see non-binary conservatives. | ||
| See, I know trans people are real because there are trans conservatives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if non-binary, if there's no non-binary conservatives, I'm waiting for somebody to say, I am they, them, and I love my guns, and I love the cops. | ||
| And then I go, oh, this is totally legit because I get it. | ||
| It's a vast spectrum of humanity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But as a comedian, we're supposed to call all this stuff out. | ||
| I'm supposed to call it out because it is absurd. | ||
| But if you do call it out, then all of a sudden- They're going to throw you off. | ||
| You have a better path to it because you're gay. | ||
| They don't care anymore. | ||
| They don't care anymore. | ||
| No, not when you look like me. | ||
| It's shifted over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it's shifted. | ||
| Gay men, gay women. | ||
| First of all, lesbians now barely exist. | ||
| Literally, there's nine lesbian bars left in America. | ||
| What? | ||
| Because everybody's going, I'm going to just be non-binary. | ||
| Now, of course, lesbians didn't do a great job with their bars, let's be very honest. | ||
| But nine is wild. | ||
| Is that a number? | ||
| It's a number. | ||
| There are nine lesbian bars left in America. | ||
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What? | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| Because lesbians are disappearing. | ||
| They're just disappearing. | ||
| Where are they going? | ||
| They're becoming non-binary. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| This is what's happening. | ||
| What about lesbian communities? | ||
| They're all older people. | ||
| A lot of young people are becoming non-binary. | ||
| You know, people really are You know, this is something that is happening. | ||
| And I'm not saying everybody has to feel like a man or a woman, but I get it. | ||
| I feel feminine. | ||
| Sometimes I feel masculine. | ||
| Sometimes I think every human being on earth does. | ||
| I don't know why there needs to be a classification. | ||
| Just because you're experiencing a full range of emotions. | ||
| Well, it's invoked. | ||
| And nobody wants to admit that. | ||
| Nobody wants to admit that that's part of the appeal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of what's going on. | ||
| It's actually fashionable. | ||
| Have you seen that video? | ||
| Did I ever play you that video where the girl comes out to her friends in a park? | ||
| She goes, I have an announcement. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a guy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And everyone's like, amazing! | ||
| I love you. | ||
| My name's Theo. | ||
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| I go by he, they. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| First of all, how can you go by he, they? | ||
| And why is your name Theo? | ||
| Because she likes Theo Vaughn. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I love Theo Vaughn too, but like... | ||
| I just think, it's just strange. | ||
| And I'm getting older. | ||
| I'm only 36, but I look at all this stuff and I go, it's, you know, I'm going to eventually live in the woods. | ||
| I do now, but eventually, you know, I said eventually this is where you end up. | ||
| You end up just somewhere, you know, sitting on, you know, like get off my lawn, shaking your fist because you go, I just don't get it. | ||
| Well, it's going to get worse. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| I imagine. | ||
| I am concerned. | ||
| I called three realtors. | ||
| I'm going to have an apartment in LA. I'm going to keep my house here, but I'm going to get an apartment there to kind of like, you know, I want to have a presence there too. | ||
| And three realtors, I called them. | ||
| These are real estate agents. | ||
| Their job is to like tell me to like buy a house or rent something. | ||
| They were all like, yeah, it's bad. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The real estate agents were like, yeah, it's bad. | ||
| They go, I've got to be very honest with you. | ||
| They go, it's very bad. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| They said that the violence has gone up. | ||
| Crime has gone up. | ||
| Now everybody kind of has a story about somebody that's been evicted. | ||
| Somebody got followed to their car. | ||
| Somebody got robbed. | ||
| There was an incident of violence. | ||
| Somebody exposed himself to somebody. | ||
| These things are all increasing. | ||
| These numbers are going up. | ||
| There's a lot of mental illness. | ||
| Drug addiction in a lot of the, you know, unhoused populations of people. | ||
| And unfortunately, that is creating a dangerous environment for a lot of people. | ||
| And nobody wants to talk about that. | ||
| And people want to say that it's like, you know, whatever it is, it's hateful. | ||
| And listen, nobody wants homeless. | ||
| Nobody wants people to be on the street and insane. | ||
| But... | ||
| There are a percentage of those people. | ||
| I'm sure the vast majority of them are peaceful, but maybe not. | ||
| But a percentage of them are engaging in criminal acts that are making other people unsafe. | ||
| And all of the homicide rates in major cities have gone up in an unprecedented way. | ||
| And the people that are victims of that are living in These cities, they're poor people, they take public transportation, they're vulnerable, they're elderly, and no one cares. | ||
| And if you call that out, they're like, yeah, fuck you, Rush Limbaugh, whatever. | ||
| I'm like, hey guys, it is what it is. | ||
| These are facts, and the reality is that people that are paying the price for those are people that are not you. | ||
| I saw a tweet the other day, it's a hilarious tweet, where this woman was comparing crime rates in the 1980s to what's happening in New York today and how much lower the crime rate is now, even though it's up by more than 100% of last year. | ||
| Not comparing that. | ||
| Let's go back to 1980s. | ||
| Let's go back to when the gangs of New York, you know, when it was like the Five Points. | ||
| Yeah, people were like stabbing each other. | ||
| Let's go back to when people were getting thrown out of saloon windows. | ||
| Listen, And you sound like a loser complaining about it, right? | ||
| Because there's this whole thing in New York where people are like, New York's gritty. | ||
| It's back. | ||
| New York is back. | ||
| And these are people who I know personally, many of them live off their wives. | ||
| And a lot of them are escaping the suburbs. | ||
| And they're going, New York's back! | ||
| How do they live off their wives? | ||
| Their wives earn money and they pretend to do stand-up comedy. | ||
| It's a great gig. | ||
| How many of those guys are out there? | ||
| Millions. | ||
| A substantial population of people. | ||
| Is that a real thing? | ||
| It's a huge thing. | ||
| Guys live off their wives? | ||
| Women make horrible decisions with who they choose to spend their lives with. | ||
| And as somebody who has nothing to do with women in a sexual way, I've just noticed that. | ||
| You can objectively observe. | ||
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I've looked at a woman and went, what are you doing? | |
| And it's just the guy's like, hey man, I've been doing this 11 years, but next year's the year. | ||
| And, you know, and they go, okay, I'll just work eight hours a day and you just get high, play video games and tweet. | ||
| And it's rough. | ||
| And those are the people that are like, all cops are bastards! | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, okay, great. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| Well, they also, they tune into the zeitgeist, right? | ||
| So they find out what is the... | ||
| They're just saying whatever they have to say. | ||
| What's the thing... | ||
| What do I have to say to get a job? | ||
| What's the phrase of the day to get people to think that I'm woke? | ||
| Yeah, how do I get a job on NBC's new series, you know, That Bitch Bad on Peacock? | ||
| It's streaming on Peacock, and I want to write on it, and I just want to go to these parties and take Adderall in Silver Lake, Los Angeles. | ||
| So what do I have to say? | ||
| I don't care what it is. | ||
| I'll just say it. | ||
| This is what I was going to say earlier. | ||
| I am legitimately worried that a part of what's going on online is being facilitated by foreign entities. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that they're manipulating people psychologically by pushing the envelope for this crazy shit. | ||
| Because the thing is, if you get enough people to push in a certain direction, a lot of these people that we're talking about legitimately are insane. | ||
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| And they will back up. | ||
| I was looking at a guy who I know is a fucking professor who was saying that if you have sex with a 13-year-old, if that 13-year-old consents and enjoys it, who's a criminal? | ||
| What are you supposed to do about this? | ||
| Somebody sent me this and I was like, this is a guy who used to be on my podcast. | ||
| And I'm watching this argument. | ||
| I'm like, this is patently insane. | ||
| You're talking about a grown adult, a 40-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old? | ||
| A baby. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's fucking nuts. | ||
| It's absurd. | ||
| But these kind of ideas get promoted and pushed, and it gets to the point where people start accepting this as something that you should accept. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they start pushing it. | ||
| And you gotta go, where is this fucking coming from? | ||
| Is this coming from a legitimate, delusional person that doesn't understand how human psychology is? | ||
| Or a person who is just a contrarian? | ||
| That whenever something is taboo in society, they're gonna go, well, why? | ||
| Why is it bad to kill old people? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Wouldn't it be better, you'd rather have them suffer, or just put a bullet in their head while they're sleeping? | ||
| You start seeing how someone could make really crazy fucking arguments for things, and you start wondering how many of these people that are pushing these crazy arguments actually believe it, and how much of it, because we know it's a certain percentage. | ||
| We know for a fact, from Renee DiResta's work with the Internet Research Agency, where she's gone over these Russian troll accounts, In Russia, literally, they have a farm where there's a fucking place, a building, where people are hired to fuck with people. | ||
| They're hired, they organized a Texas separatist convention across the street from a pro-Muslim convention just to facilitate a fight. | ||
| And they're doing this on purpose. | ||
| So they're manipulating, and they see this trend. | ||
| They see this trend of, Civil unrest, chaos in society, and there is no gender, and there's no... | ||
| I guarantee you, some of what's moving this stuff along is manipulation. | ||
| I bet it is, and I bet it's easier than they thought. | ||
| I bet if there are those... | ||
| I'm sure there are all those Russian troll farms, and there's Chinese... | ||
| They're like, this is shockingly easy. | ||
| I bet everyone takes lunch early. | ||
| I bet they throw out like two tweets. | ||
| They're like, we gotta really stay on them. | ||
| We gotta stay on them. | ||
| They go to their supervisor. | ||
| They go, you're not gonna believe this. | ||
| We worked for five minutes and they've taken it the rest of the way. | ||
| Because there's a lot of mentally unwell people here in this country. | ||
| There's a lot of people... | ||
| That are psychotic. | ||
| I mean, I have ants every day on Facebook that are telling you that Trump is still the president, he still has the nuclear codes. | ||
| And they're on Facebook assuring their Facebook feed, don't worry about it, Trump still has the nuclear codes. | ||
| And they're doing that in between sharing recipes for like, you know, Peach Melba. | ||
| We're a little wacky. | ||
| What was the thing that you tweeted the other day that this is the QAnon of the left? | ||
| It was the guy that was, there's a guy that's like, I'm in a restaurant, no one has a mask, and I am sick. | ||
| He goes like, I am scared and I feel like, and it's just this crazy, insane fucking thing where you go, dude, we're a year and a half in. | ||
| Large number of people are vaccinated. | ||
| A large number of people have had it already. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| And it's the QAnon of liberals. | ||
| They want, they need it. | ||
| Panic porn. | ||
| They need it. | ||
| They want it because it allows them to be morally upright and superior and it's fake. | ||
| So it doesn't matter. | ||
| Putting a mask on doesn't mean you're a good person. | ||
| It's like, great. | ||
| Okay, you were considerate, which was great. | ||
| It's the lowest level. | ||
| I've always said this. | ||
| I'm like, go to any of these people and go, you want to volunteer at a soup kitchen? | ||
| They'll stare at you like you're crazy. | ||
| They've never been to a shelter in their life. | ||
| They've never ladled. | ||
| Back in the day, to be a good person, you had to go to a shelter and ladle pea soup in a bowl and hand it to somebody. | ||
| And you had to volunteer. | ||
| You had to be a big brother, big sister. | ||
| And instead of kids going home... | ||
| It's like the least you can do. | ||
| It's just like you're just sitting in a restaurant, which is probably an expensive restaurant in Los Angeles, and the guy's looking around. | ||
| Like the first time I went to LA to have meetings after I did the Montreal Comedy Festival, a woman pulled up in a white Bentley. | ||
| We were sitting outside. | ||
| We both ordered Eggs Benedict. | ||
| She said, I'll have Eggs Benedict. | ||
| She goes, Avo on the side. | ||
| And then she goes like this to me. | ||
| She goes, you know, I never knew what it was like to live in fascism, and now I do. | ||
| And then she went on this whole thing about how we're living in a fascist country because Trump had been elected. | ||
| And she pulled up in a Bentley. | ||
| And we're sitting in this beautiful area of Los Angeles. | ||
| The sun's out. | ||
| Everybody's eating great food. | ||
| And in her mind, this was her struggle session. | ||
| This was her thing. | ||
| And I think something broke. | ||
| When Trump won, something broke. | ||
| And I don't know what it is, and it might take years later to find out what it is, but I think just the idea that he could win fucked people up. | ||
| Well, it was a combination of events, right? | ||
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| There's Trump winning, the chaos involved, and all the people that were convinced that Trump was somehow or another going to lose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that then he won, and then they couldn't believe that he was the president, and then they thought he was going to go to jail. | ||
| What's that fucking crazy guy with the glasses that was always ranting and raving from a basement on GQ? That guy. | ||
| That fucking lunatic. | ||
| He was out of his mind. | ||
| Still is. | ||
| Out of his fucking mind. | ||
| And ranting and raving like, it's imminent. | ||
| He's going to jail any moment now. | ||
| And he was doing this fake... | ||
| What's that guy's name? | ||
| Murrow? | ||
| Edward R. Murrow. | ||
| He's doing a version of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so everybody was frothing at the mouth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then we get to the end of Trump's reign. | ||
| Yeah, nothing happened. | ||
| Nothing happens, but then the Capitol Hill attack. | ||
| And then those people on the other side are at it, their minds going like, he's still the president. | ||
| Well, I've been reading things about the Capitol Hill attack that have been fascinating. | ||
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Really? | |
| There's a lot of people that believe that informants, and not just informants, but people working for the government were a part of the manipulation of the Capitol Hill attack the same way... | ||
| You know the story... | ||
| We talked about it before recently in the podcast about there was a 19-year-old kind of dumb kid who the FBI tricked this kid into thinking that he had a bomb and detonating this bomb. | ||
| They talked him into it. | ||
| They made him an extremist. | ||
| They gave him the bomb, gave him a cell phone to detonate the bomb. | ||
| He tries to detonate the bomb. | ||
| And then the FBI arrests him. | ||
| And he's in jail for fucking the rest of his life or whatever. | ||
| But they manipulated him and got him to the point where he acted. | ||
| And there's people that are saying that there's some people that believe. | ||
| And I've got to be careful how I say this because I don't know what's real and what's not. | ||
| No, let's get a good clip. | ||
| Just speak. | ||
| Let's do numbers. | ||
| There are people that believe that there was some manipulation involved in some of these extremist groups. | ||
| Some of these pro-Trump extremist groups and that they talked these people into attacking the Capitol Hill building. | ||
| Now here's where it gets weird. | ||
| Have you ever seen the videos of cops opening up the gates? | ||
| That is very strange. | ||
| And letting people through? | ||
| I have. | ||
| Where's the explanation to what the fuck is going on there? | ||
| That I don't know. | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| Let's look at that. | ||
| Let's look at the videos because they're fucking nuts. | ||
| Listen, this is the whole Boston Marathon bombing where the FBI knew who these guys were. | ||
| They had maybe recruited them as informants. | ||
| Russian intelligence came out and said, you know exactly who these people are. | ||
| They were allowed to travel to Dagestan and back all the time. | ||
| I believe that the FBI had... | ||
| When they had a trial, they put special administrative measures on the trial, meaning that you didn't hear one peep out of that trial. | ||
| The cameras weren't allowed in the court. | ||
| It was a very closed proceeding, and now the one guy that's alive is locked up in Florence, ADX, Colorado prison, and no one can speak to him or get to him. | ||
| Clearly, every movement from Cointelpro to anything, I mean, Oklahoma City bombing, people say that McVeigh was part of a group that they were surveying and they had informants and they were trying to recruit people. | ||
| And a lot of times these things go wrong organically. | ||
| Or the other thing is, do they go wrong because they're allowed to go wrong or encouraged to go wrong? | ||
| Well, this was the Alex Jones take, that they allowed it to go wrong so that they can install new laws and that they can institute these new laws to survey people. | ||
| Yeah, Trump's speech was very incendiary. | ||
| He was very much like, they're doing it in there. | ||
| He's pointing at the Capitol. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| They're doing it in there. | ||
| Pence is doing it in there. | ||
| Did you say Pence was doing it? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you break down his speech, you look at it, and he was talking, it was all present tense. | ||
| It wasn't like, it's done, it's over. | ||
| It was like, it's happening now. | ||
| So watch this. | ||
| The police open the fucking gates. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| So here's the cops. | ||
| The cops are literally opening the gates and stepping aside, and look at this fucking hoodlum. | ||
| It's calling these people through. | ||
| So this is literally insanity. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And the cops were taking selfies with some of these people. | ||
| So I think some of these people were like MAGA cops, right? | ||
| So they thought it was a good idea that these people were attacking the Capitol building. | ||
| They were like, they're just having a little fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fact that a guy thought he could walk through with a fucking conservative flag. | ||
| Who was the guy with the- Look at that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the guy with the horns and the hat, Jake Angeli. | ||
| And he should be. | ||
| I mean, he charged into the Capitol. | ||
| But it was very cartoonish. | ||
| It looked like a high school theater group that had lost their minds. | ||
| Well, it's a bunch of kids living in their parents' house. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's old people. | ||
| These are like old people. | ||
| That guy with the hat, the buffalo hat, lives at his parents' house. | ||
| He's a loser. | ||
| I'm sure that they absolutely had people in there. | ||
| I think, you know, when you look at a lot of far alt-right figures that just disappear, a lot of those guys are probably feds. | ||
| There's probably feds in Antifa. | ||
| I'm sure there are because if they're not, they're not doing their job, right? | ||
| They have to be there and they have to monitor these groups and they have to get information. | ||
| Well, I bet they also manipulate them and get them to do wild shit so they can arrest them. | ||
| And it delegitimizes any of, you know, there was a great argument about the hippie movement in America. | ||
| The hippie movement in America, the Vietnam War, opposition to the Vietnam War started with the Catholic Church. | ||
| It started with priests. | ||
| It started with people that were saying, we're against, we're nonviolent, we don't think we should do this, it's not our fight. | ||
| And then it became drenched in psychedelic drugs. | ||
| It became about free love. | ||
| And if you look at who's pushing all of that, it is a lot of these... | ||
| Interesting cults and groups that have real ties to U.S. intelligence. | ||
| And that's a fact. | ||
| And it doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened anyway. | ||
| Maybe they sped it up. | ||
| Maybe they accelerated it. | ||
| But you're looking at, you know, the CIA working with Timothy Leary. | ||
| You're looking at a lot of those weird cults and stuff having some relationship with intelligence. | ||
| And if you look at, like, especially California and Laurel Canyon and that area, it is very, very strange. | ||
| That book, you had that guy on your show. | ||
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Chaos. | |
| Tom O'Neill. | ||
| Yeah, Tom O'Neill. | ||
| An incredible book. | ||
| And I brought it up the other day with Quentin Tarantino, and Tarantino had read it as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did he say he read it after he wrote the script? | ||
| I think he said he talked to him for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it was after, though. | ||
| Yeah, I think after he really did the deep dive and found out how fucking crazy the whole CIA experiments with LSD are. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| To the point where my wife's mom was a hippie in Haight-Ashbury back in the Diz-A. And now if you met her, she's like... | ||
| Super nice grandma right you would never imagine right but back in the day She used to go to the Haight-Ashbury free clinic which was literally run by the CIA And that's where Manson and all those guys were getting acid from right and then right after Tom O'Neil's book comes out that the fucking Haight-Ashbury free clinic had been around for decades right after Tom O'Neil's book a couple months later. | ||
| Yeah gone They shut it down. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It was a part of Operation Midnight Climax. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All those people dosing people with acid. | ||
| Well, that's the whole thing. | ||
| And then if you look at Operation Mockingbird, how far the CIA is entrenched into the media and how far all the media narratives are being sculpted by a lot of the U.S. intelligence people and then a lot of the social movements that we think are just organic grassroots movements are either started, encouraged, or co-opted by... | ||
| So everything's possible. | ||
| Anything is possible. | ||
| It is that nuts. | ||
| Absolutely anything is possible. | ||
| When you saw the riots in LA and you saw these teams of people burning cars. | ||
| The recent riots? | ||
| The George Floyd? | ||
| The George Floyd riots, but there were like teams of really skilled people going in there and like there were cop cars that were like abandoned. | ||
| Why are there cop cars abandoned? | ||
| Who's abandoning a cop car in the middle of a street before the riot? | ||
| Weird things happen where you start seeing yourself like, I think the idea that chaos makes people more compliant and makes people go, hey, whatever new laws you guys need to pass, do it. | ||
| How about the pallets of rocks and bricks that were left around? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That's real shit. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And people say, oh, this is a baseless conspiracy theory. | ||
| There were actual construction jobs going on at the time. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| Take it from someone who's worked in construction. | ||
| They don't just pull fucking pallets of bricks and leave them laying around where they know there's going to be riots. | ||
| It's an absolute possibility that no matter what... | ||
| If there is a threat to the mainstream, if there is a threat to the system... | ||
| Making those people seem as extreme as humanly possible, and a lot of them are, but making them seem really crazy and really violent delegitimizes all of their good points. | ||
| And what it allows is it allows people to then dismiss anything that comes from that group or that base of ideas. | ||
| Did anybody ever do an investigation on the plates of the pallets of bricks, like a legitimate independent organization, do an investigation to figure out what the fuck was going on? | ||
| Because so many people that were showing up at these protests, and even where there were no construction sites, would find these pallets of bricks. | ||
| Pallets of bricks. | ||
| Like, what in the fuck? | ||
| People, it's crazy. | ||
| And then you start thinking about, you're like, oh my god, is anything real? | ||
| Or are we just living in a video game that people are arranging pretty much everything? | ||
| We're looking at all these events and we're thinking they're all organic. | ||
| And what they allow us to do is no matter what the events are, whether it's Antifa or whether it's a Capitol riot, we just go, well, the other side is nuts. | ||
| But what if it's really just a group of people kind of really helping curate this division so that they can remain in power and fuck kids on Epstein's Island? | ||
| That's the most insidious possibility, right? | ||
| That is the most insidious possibility. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Things have gotten to the point where, you know, Antifa now, because you can get in trouble for carrying weapons, now they carry frying pans. | ||
| They're hitting people over the head with frying pans. | ||
| They're saying, well, we're on our way to go cook. | ||
| And so they have cast iron frying pans. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| They're heavy. | ||
| It's a great weapon. | ||
| It's a great weapon. | ||
| There's a, what is it called? | ||
| There's one company in New York. | ||
| That makes them. | ||
| That makes a great one because it makes a really long cast iron handle. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you could grab it even when it's hot. | ||
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I have it. | |
| My friend got me that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And we make every steak or burger on that. | ||
| Yeah, they're great. | ||
| And pork chops, everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| I found out about it from Bourdain because Bourdain had this video that he was doing, this video series he was doing on YouTube where he would go to visit people that were making things. | ||
| And there was a place in Brooklyn, and they basically take, like, brake rotors, which are cast iron brake rotors, and they would melt these old rotors down and turn them into frying pans. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So they had a whole, you know, what are those things called? | ||
| Furnace, what is it called? | ||
| When they do that, when they're making knives and shit, they're casting them, you know, what the fuck is that called? | ||
| Kill them? | ||
| It's like a kiln, but there's another word for it when they're doing it with metal. | ||
| Smolting or something? | ||
| I think it was forged. | ||
| So they're like the company's something forged, and they make these really cool frying pans with a nice long handle. | ||
| You can really bash a fascist over the head with it. | ||
| I love the idea that this company is going, we're doing great business in Seattle. | ||
| They go, we're killing it in Portland. | ||
| We had no idea. | ||
| Everybody loves cooking. | ||
| It's very strange when you start zooming out and you start going, what do we know? | ||
| And what is real and what isn't real? | ||
| We know so many crazy people. | ||
| That's why everything's believable. | ||
| Because we know so many fucking lunatics that we go, listen, people are just crazy. | ||
| But that being said, the powers that be know they're crazy. | ||
| And you can easily steer them to... | ||
| Do anything, you know? | ||
| And sometimes they don't even need to be steered. | ||
| They're just there. | ||
| Well, and the idea that we've stopped manipulating the population is ridiculous. | ||
| Why would they do that? | ||
| It's always been very effective. | ||
| Why would they stop it? | ||
| They did it through the 60s. | ||
| They did it through the 70s. | ||
| Well, I love that Pentagon just came out and they were like, hey, ISIS is still a threat. | ||
| Everyone's like, shut up. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Enough. | ||
| People are like, no, they're like, no, no, no, there's still a threat. | ||
| They go, not only is it not a threat, but you guys can't come back four years later. | ||
| I mean, it's an old bit. | ||
| It's like a comic doing an old bit. | ||
| You go, that was on your special. | ||
| That was on your special three years ago. | ||
| You're doing ISIS? You're closing with ISIS? You can't do it. | ||
| And again, I think it's just people need to be controlled. | ||
| And they'll do it through tech. | ||
| Which is why it's fucked up what happened to the Weinsteins, who are, I don't know if you know this, massive fans of yours truly. | ||
| Weinsteins. | ||
| Is it Weinsteins? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weinstein is Harvey, Weinstein is Eric and Brett. | ||
| They're not related? | ||
| No. | ||
| Kidding. | ||
| Clip that. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I think it was so fucked up that they were demonetized. | ||
| I think it's crazy and I think that's really what they're going to do. | ||
| They're going to make it not profitable to go against the grain. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then once it's not profitable, less people do it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then, they've won. | ||
| Well, demonetizing was something that troubled me on YouTube, particularly because it's a form of self-censorship. | ||
| You find out, like, they would demonetize a certain percentage of our videos. | ||
| And you would find out about it, like, Jamie would go, they demonetized that video. | ||
| We'd be like, why? | ||
| I could do all you talked about the election or all you talked about we didn't say anything bad crazy. | ||
| It was it was nuts It was like there's certain subjects where you couldn't touch and if you touch them Automatically you're and then you'd have to appeal and sometimes you'd win the appeal and sometimes you didn't here's when we found out That it was all horseshit right as soon as we switched over Spotify because when we switched over to Spotify magically All of our videos were available for monetization. | ||
| So for the three months that we were on YouTube and Spotify, where it was on both, they let us monetize everything because they wanted to make the money off of it. | ||
| They're like, look, he's leaving, he's going to go to Spotify. | ||
| So it was based in nothing. | ||
| Well, it's based on arbitrary decision making by a bunch of people that work there. | ||
| So it's incredibly subjective. | ||
| So you decide, you know this fucking Tim Dillon guy and his Meghan McCain impression. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| Demonetize. | ||
| Left the view, by the way. | ||
| She left the view. | ||
| Well, she's free to be on your show now. | ||
| We wish her well. | ||
| Imagine you as her on your show interviewing her. | ||
| I would love to interview her as her, but I think there's such a... | ||
| Small chance? | ||
| Small chance. | ||
| So you're saying there's a chance. | ||
| That's going to happen. | ||
| Yes, there is a chance, but it's not big. | ||
| What if I helped her? | ||
| What if I was there? | ||
| What if I was there as a moderator? | ||
| You want to organize it, I'll show up. | ||
| I would do it. | ||
| I absolutely would show up. | ||
| But you and her together on this show? | ||
| Well, I don't think I should do it the whole time, but I think it'd be fun to interview her for five minutes and then say, Hey, Megan, I get it. | ||
| I also hate Joy Behar. | ||
| So I don't love you, but I also hate that squawking bird. | ||
| So I hate the whole thing. | ||
| And frankly, that show, you want to talk about a show that set women back, is The View. | ||
| You want to talk about that show, if the CIA is engineering Antifa and fucking the Capitol riot, some crazy misogynist engineered The View. | ||
| Because there's nothing worse than The View. | ||
| In terms of like, there are so many brilliant women out there, none of them are on The View. | ||
| None of them have gone near the set of The View. | ||
| I mean, they have brought in the lowest tier of the Y chromosome? | ||
| No, XX. They brought in the lowest of the XXs for that one. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| Yeah, did you watch the episode when Tulsi Gabbard got on to defend herself and Joy Behar starts panicking, going over her notes while Tulsi is refuting everything that she said? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Joy Behar, like, again, these people have dementia. | ||
| These are people who, like, should not be allowed out of the house. | ||
| They have a national platform. | ||
| I mean, it is crazy. | ||
| They have no idea. | ||
| These people have never read, like, a book. | ||
| And there's versions of it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, then the other one with Sharon Osbourne. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did Sharon... | ||
| She said something racially insensitive? | ||
| I think she said that she doesn't, like... | ||
| I think she said, why is Piers Morgan racist? | ||
| I don't even think it was that bad. | ||
| She's friends with Piers Morgan, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The thing that makes me pause is Cheryl Underwood is cool as fuck. | ||
| I know Cheryl Underwood. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know any of them. | ||
| She's cool as fuck. | ||
| I know her forever. | ||
| I did Montreal Comedy Festival with her back in the day. | ||
| She's fucking hilarious. | ||
| You ever seen her stand-up? | ||
| I know that she's great because I know people that know her, but I know her. | ||
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Murders. | |
| She murders. | ||
| She goes on stage with her purse. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She's funny. | ||
| Really funny, man. | ||
| Really funny. | ||
| And cool as fuck. | ||
| So if she doesn't like her, I gotta go, mmm, man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, there's probably something there. | ||
| There's probably something there. | ||
| I don't know, but I remember when she was making fun of the guy who got his dick chopped off and the wife threw it in the blender, or threw it in the garbage disposal, and she was laughing about what it must have looked like. | ||
| No one wants that. | ||
| She's not anybody's choice. | ||
| But that's a crazy thing to laugh at. | ||
| A guy getting his dick chopped off and he's getting mutilated. | ||
| His humanity is taken from him. | ||
| His manhood is literally getting ground up. | ||
| And she thought it was funny. | ||
| But again, people think things are funny because they don't think about the person they're making fun of. | ||
| You and I are both guilty of doing that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| As comics. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But that one was particularly rough. | ||
| You're like, wow. | ||
| Well, it started a few and then they have all these ones. | ||
| They're like, the talk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's profitable. | ||
| And then everyone gets like C-list and then D-list and then they're like resurrecting sitcom stars from the 80s. | ||
| They're like, what do you think about Palestine? | ||
| It's like, what are we doing here? | ||
| We don't need any of these people's opinions. | ||
| Yeah, it's a fucking weird thing, man. | ||
| Sherry Shepard, she used to be on The View as well. | ||
| She's really nice too. | ||
| She was always at the store. | ||
| She's always cool as fuck. | ||
| I'm sure they're all nice. | ||
| She was really nice. | ||
| Sherry Shepard is a really nice lady. | ||
| And she's also super religious. | ||
| She's a God-fearing Christian woman, like full stop. | ||
| Can I suggest a thing for The View? | ||
| This is a suggestion I have. | ||
| Men! | ||
| No chance. | ||
| Just men On the show. | ||
| But women watch it. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| It's like, it's a lot of it is women that are home, right? | ||
| During that time. | ||
| It airs during the day. | ||
| What if we put the women in the audience and that the men discuss the issues? | ||
| This is just an idea I have for ABC. Corporate. | ||
| Well, clearly... | ||
| Or have one woman serve everyone drinks and give her a quick opinion. | ||
| Quick. | ||
| In and out. | ||
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Just go like... | |
| And then the guys go... | ||
| Just go... | ||
| She walks in, she goes, yeah, Israel seems like it. | ||
| They go, thanks. | ||
| And then they keep going. | ||
| I think that's a happy medium. | ||
| Why doesn't The View have any trans women on it? | ||
| Great point. | ||
| It has a lot of women that look trans, but none of them... | ||
| It has a lot of second and third takes. | ||
| After a drink, you'd go, huh? | ||
| But it doesn't have a ton of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's zero. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It should be all trans women. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| The best era of the view, and I've talked about it before, was when Rosie O'Donnell was talking about Building 7. Yeah. | ||
| That was the best. | ||
| That I watched. | ||
| That was back in the day. | ||
| That was back in the day. | ||
| Here's a good example. | ||
| Here's a good example why the discussion about Building 7 and the collapse is not valid. | ||
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It is. | |
| It's so valid. | ||
| But here's why. | ||
| Here's why. | ||
| This building in Miami that just collapsed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It collapsed the exact same way. | ||
| No, it didn't. | ||
| Half of it's still there. | ||
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Right. | |
| Building 7 came down. | ||
| But the part that came down, came down the exact same way. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Came down like a controlled demolition. | ||
| But it didn't all come down. | ||
| Right, because the whole thing wasn't on fire from the basement with giant diesel tanks. | ||
| Like Building 7. But it was built in a very fucked up way. | ||
| I think we're going to find out how fucked up it was built. | ||
| Building 7, to believe that, we'd have to believe that Building 7 was done on the cheap. | ||
| Building 7 was like this massive building that really didn't have any structural problems. | ||
| It was on fire for a few hours, and then it fell entirely. | ||
| Yeah, but it fell slowly. | ||
| You know, the middle of it fell first. | ||
| There's a guy that had a great YouTube video, and I'd love to talk to you about this. | ||
| I'm excited we're talking about this. | ||
| There's a guy who had a great YouTube video, and he was a full-on 9-11 truther. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then he did a deeper dive into understanding what was going on during the fire and how the thing collapsed. | ||
| And the videos that you would watch would show the whole thing collapse at free-fall speeds. | ||
| He was like, what they didn't show you is that minutes before that, the center of it had collapsed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if you watch the roofline, there's like these boxes or these structures, top of the structure. | ||
| You see that stuff go boom and fall through. | ||
| So shit was already deteriorating, raging fires from the basement, which apparently, wasn't there like diesel tanks in the basement? | ||
| Was that what was going on? | ||
| And there was like a fucking serious fire. | ||
| Deteriorated the whole thing, it's lit on fire, all the steel gets weakened, all the concrete gets weakened, it caves in at the top, and then one of the top floors goes, and then the whole thing caves in. | ||
| Did he do a deep dive into why we left 17 pages out of the 9-11 Commission report that protected Saudi Arabia? | ||
| Four days after the attack, Bandar, Prince Bandar, was on the balcony of the White House with the President of the United States. | ||
| 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. | ||
| We completely exempted them from any culpability and attacked two countries that had nothing to do with it. | ||
| Well, that is a real conspiracy. | ||
| Well, that's fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it is fucking crazy, but it doesn't mean that the building was a controlled demolition. | ||
| I don't know that it... | ||
| Listen, that building collapsed in a very strange way for a building that was not hit by anything. | ||
| But it was destroyed. | ||
| The parts of the building were destroyed. | ||
| There was big chunks of the building that were fucked up, and there was a raging fire. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| What do you think happened? | ||
| You think they detonated it? | ||
| I don't know that we'll ever know. | ||
| Why is Larry Silverstein saying, pull it? | ||
| Yeah, what did that mean? | ||
| What did that mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it means something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How are they making... | ||
| I can't get service on my phone when I take off. | ||
| How are you making a phone call at 25,000 feet in the air from a cell phone telling them we love you? | ||
| Is that real though? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| But did people really do that? | ||
| They said they did. | ||
| But that was the flight that many people believe got shot down. | ||
| You know that story? | ||
| Yeah, that's potentially true. | ||
| Potentially very true. | ||
| Because this was one that was heading... | ||
| There was a few flights. | ||
| The best documentary is called 9-11, The New Pearl Harbor. | ||
| It's five hours. | ||
| It's made by a guy named Massimo Mazzucco. | ||
| A rainy day in Austin, which we have a few of. | ||
| I'm telling you, I watched it to debunk it. | ||
| It is very difficult to not come away from it going, hey, at least I don't understand what happened. | ||
| I don't know why there's not a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. | ||
| There's 80 security cameras. | ||
| There's not one video. | ||
| There is a video. | ||
| There's absolutely not. | ||
| There's a video of it. | ||
| Not of a plane hitting the Pentagon. | ||
| There's a video of something hitting it. | ||
| It's a fireball. | ||
| No, it's an object that slams into the Pentagon with one of those shitty... | ||
| Those cameras are shitty. | ||
| Those security cameras, especially security cameras in 2001, they're really shitty cameras. | ||
| But you can see this thing hit the Pentagon. | ||
| What looks like the nose of a plane, it's a fireball. | ||
| It's hard to tell what it is. | ||
| It does not look like a 737. But if a 737, whatever it is, is going 500 miles an hour with a shitty video camera. | ||
| Show us another angle. | ||
| They don't have another angle. | ||
| There's 80 angles. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's 80 cameras. | ||
| How is there not another angle? | ||
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Top secret. | |
| We're protecting you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, thanks. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| The 9-11 Commission reports that this was set up to fail. | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| Here's the plane. | ||
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Here's the video. | |
| Let's see it. | ||
| That's not a plane. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's not a plane. | ||
| Let me see it again. | ||
| I have no idea what it is. | ||
| You know it's not a plane. | ||
| That is Joe. | ||
| That's a plane. | ||
| That is not a plane. | ||
| It's not a plane? | ||
| Not a plane. | ||
| Jamie? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's pretty quick. | ||
| That's not a plane. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That little thing? | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| That's not a plane. | ||
| That's not a plane. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| That's not a plane. | ||
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It's just what it is. | |
| Hold on a second. | ||
| It's not a plane. | ||
| Well, first of all, how big is a 737? | ||
| How many people are on that pitch? | ||
| A lot. | ||
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Say that again. | |
| Play it again, Jamie. | ||
| Let me see it again. | ||
| That's a plane. | ||
| That's not a plane. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Let's see it again. | ||
| See it again. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That's a plane. | ||
| Not a 737. How do you know? | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| But if that building is as big as I think it is, that might be a plane. | ||
| First of all... | ||
| Jamie, can I get your take on it? | ||
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It... | |
| What do you think that is? | ||
| It's plain size. | ||
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Jamie's controlled. | |
| There's not a lot to look at here, right? | ||
| That's kind of plain size. | ||
| How far away do you think that explosion is from where the camera is? | ||
| Well, listen, you know when you're going into LAX and you're driving down that road and the planes are flying right over your head? | ||
| Tell me that's not a small-sized plane. | ||
| It's not a 747. I know it's flying like 10 feet off the ground. | ||
| Right, but it's landing. | ||
| It's coming in to land full clip because it's going to slam into the building. | ||
| When it hit the building. | ||
| The building's only like five stories or something. | ||
| Some of the heaviest part of the plane is the wings, right? | ||
| They're the heaviest part of the plane. | ||
| The fuselage, the middle of the plane, is relatively less heavy. | ||
| It's where the people are, this, that, and the other thing. | ||
| The wings don't really make any impact. | ||
| It just goes in, which would make no sense. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| The fuselage should Pepsi count. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Do you know why the wings are heavy? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they're filled with fuel. | ||
| But they should have snapped off. | ||
| Where are they? | ||
| They blew up in a fire, man. | ||
| There's chunks of fucking plane all over the lawn. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just show us a picture. | ||
| I don't know, but I'm loving this argument. | ||
| I love these arguments. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| The wings... | ||
| The idea that... | ||
| What do you think, Jamie? | ||
| I haven't looked at the Pentagon one in a long time. | ||
| I do feel like... | ||
| There were not that bad of security cameras all over the place. | ||
| There's 80 cameras. | ||
| Just show us. | ||
| I will shut my fat mouth and never bring this up again if you just show me a photo of a video, even a grainy one, of something that's a plane going into the Pentagon. | ||
| Oh, okay, we'll show you. | ||
| Show him again, Jamie. | ||
| This is not a plane. | ||
| He wasn't paying attention. | ||
| Show him again. | ||
| This is not a plane. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| And by the way, this is a doctored video. | ||
| By the way, if you watch the documentary, you'll realize it's actually a doctored video. | ||
| How so? | ||
| They doctored it. | ||
| They go frame by frame in the video, and you can see how it's doctored. | ||
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Really? | |
| It looks a lot more like a cruise missile than a plane. | ||
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I'll find a different one. | |
| That looks like a cruise missile that's flying six inches off the ground? | ||
| It looks weird. | ||
| It does not look like a plane. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It looks like a plane to me. | ||
| That would be a giant fucking missile. | ||
| You have Bush and Cheney going, we're going to testify together in front of the 9-11 Commission in a closed-door testimony like an Abbott and Costello Act. | ||
| I mean, they didn't even want to have a 9-11 Commission. | ||
| We don't even want to investigate it. | ||
| The president was kept in the air while Cheney and Rumsfeld ran everything from the ground. | ||
| Well, we knew then that Cheney was pulling the strings and George Bush was basically a I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't think Cheney and Bush did. | ||
| I'm saying, isn't it a little weird that the day of 9-11 they were simulating 9-11 happening? | ||
| There was an operation called Vigilant Guardian simulating an attack on the UN building in New York causing NORAD to scramble jets. | ||
| Isn't that a stroke of luck? | ||
| It is a stroke of luck. | ||
| That's a real stroke of luck. | ||
| Maybe they knew that that was going to happen and that's why they organized it on that day. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that's one of the things that are covering up. | ||
| But that's a real stroke of luck. | ||
| Pretty amazing. | ||
| It's a real stroke of luck that you're simulating the exact same thing happening. | ||
| And then Condoleezza Rice goes, we had no idea planes would be hijacked and taken into buildings. | ||
| And you go, you were running an exercise the exact day it happened. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Of that possibly happening. | ||
| Of that possibility. | ||
| And all the Norad jets were scrambled. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| It's just odd. | ||
| The Flight 93 one to me, that's the one that got shot down, right? | ||
| Was that what it was called? | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Let's roll? | ||
| Yeah, the let's roll thing. | ||
| The thing about that that's crazy is that the wreckage was spread out over miles. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which, in my eyes, would be something that would indicate something that got hit in the air. | ||
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Right. | |
| Going 500 miles an hour, the wreckage would spread out over miles. | ||
| Whereas if something crashes into the ground, what the fuck is going to make the wreckage go miles? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I know for a fact that in situations like that, they are instructed to shoot planes down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If they know that a plane is going to crash into the White House, they're going to shoot that plane out of the sky, even if it's filled with civilians, because those civilians are doomed anyway. | ||
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Right. | |
| They're casualties, no matter what you do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If the plane has been hijacked and it's going to fly right into the President's house, they're going to shoot that plane down. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And there was eyewitness accounts, whatever the fuck that means. | ||
| The problem with eyewitness accounts is they're always fucked. | ||
| Like, eyewitness accounts are some of the worst and most unreliable things that you could go on. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But sometimes you can get an eyewitness account from someone who's like a legitimate, conscious person, and maybe a person that's been to war, a person who knows how to handle trauma, knows how to handle stress, and they can give you an accurate assessment of what happened. | ||
| That being said, I just think If you look at that day, there's a lot we don't know. | ||
| I don't know what that ends up meaning. | ||
| I don't know if it means that the people that did this were trained Saudi agents, maybe, and they were not just random terrorists that couldn't fly and were drunk. | ||
| They pulled off something quite spectacular. | ||
| Nothing even close to it has ever happened again anywhere. | ||
| I think if you look at that day, there's a lot about that day that we still don't understand. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I don't know what happened or how it happened, but the 9-11 Commission said this is set up to fail. | ||
| We don't have any of the resources we need. | ||
| Phil Graham, or Bob Graham, who's a senator from Florida, kept getting ... | ||
| The Saudi connection He says, there's something more here. | ||
| And he kept burrowing into it. | ||
| And the FBI was threatening. | ||
| They took him off his plane. | ||
| They were like, you can't do this. | ||
| There were people trying to figure out more. | ||
| And the people just shut it down. | ||
| So there's something that we don't know. | ||
| And I don't know what it is. | ||
| It is possible that what was being exposed by the investigation that they were trying to suppress was that they are balls deep involved in the Saudi government. | ||
| The Saudi government is involved in our government. | ||
| The amount of money that's being exchanged when you're talking about oil and Look what happened with Jamal Khashoggi. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Look what happened when that guy got murdered. | ||
| They literally have done nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| They've done nothing. | ||
| In fact, people were attending, what is his initials? | ||
| JK? No, the other guy. | ||
| MBS. They were attending something that he did just like a couple of years later. | ||
| Yeah, they don't care. | ||
| No, it's... | ||
| The documentary, The Dissident, have you seen it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Brian Fogel's documentary? | ||
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It's a good one. | |
| It's brilliant. | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It's terrifying because... | ||
| I mean, they fucking killed this guy because he was criticizing the government. | ||
| It was real clear. | ||
| A guy was a journalist from the Washington Post. | ||
| They organized killing him in the Turkish consulate, and they did it. | ||
| They pulled it off. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's wild. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| But I mean, these are things you almost, you go, hey, I'm never going to know the truth. | ||
| I'll die without knowing the truth. | ||
| We're never going to know. | ||
| It just seems fishy. | ||
| The amount of money involved in oil. | ||
| It was explained to me by someone who said, and this is someone who is an incredibly wealthy person. | ||
| He said, when you think about rich people, you think about rich people that are publicly rich. | ||
| And he goes, Jeff Bezos is the most publicly rich person. | ||
| He goes, but the royal family in these Saudi Arabia, in these oil-rich countries in the Middle East, they have trillions of dollars. | ||
| Private wealth. | ||
| They have crazy money that they don't have to report. | ||
| They're monarchs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't know how much money they have. | ||
| No, and the extraction of natural resources is still really at the top of the food chain in terms of money. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I remember I was reading this story about, there's a documentary, well there's a bunch of things, story and documentary as well, about the Sultan of Brunei and how he used to rock it. | ||
| And what the Sultan of Brunei used to do was he would get girls from TV shows, from movies, and he would say, you know, I want to fuck her. | ||
| Have her come visit me and I'll give her, you know, like fucking 10 million bucks or something crazy like that. | ||
| And girls would fly over there and fuck this guy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And he had a disco in his palace because he was... | ||
| Beyond wealthy insane. | ||
| He's beyond wealthy in this extraordinary way that we could never really possibly understand and he had this full-on Super fucking disco in his house and he would just fucking stroll downstairs in gold underwear and and go you you you let's go It's an amazing girls would just be hanging out It's an amazing experience to have in life when you look at like the vastly different experiences people have in life to be that guy and It's truly amazing. | ||
| Well, there's only one of them. | ||
| You could kill anyone you want. | ||
| Fuck anyone you want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And you, like, look at MBS. Does it? | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| There's very little repercussions. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Oh, there's none. | ||
| I mean, people got fired. | ||
| There was a big hubbub. | ||
| There was a lot of talk about it. | ||
| Probably gone real uncomfortable for him for a little while. | ||
| But there's no talk about him being arrested. | ||
| There's no talk about seals invading his mansion and pulling him out of the castle. | ||
| No. | ||
| None of that's going to happen. | ||
| No, it's not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I forgot who did. | ||
| Maybe it was Gabriel Iglesias. | ||
| Somebody did a private show for one of those families. | ||
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Really? | |
| It was interesting. | ||
| Was it Russell Peters? | ||
| Might have been Russell Peters. | ||
| I forget who it was. | ||
| Somebody did a private show for one of those families, and they said it was one of the most wild things they ever did. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| And it was just in a gold palace, and there was not a ton of audience, and everyone, the king sitting there laughing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone's looking at the king like, yes, this is good. | ||
| We're having fun. | ||
| This is fun. | ||
| You know who Yeonmi Park is? | ||
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No. | |
| Is that how I say her name? | ||
| Yeonmi? | ||
| I think that's her name. | ||
| She's a defector from North Korea. | ||
| She was on Lex Friedman's podcast. | ||
| She's going to be on this one, too. | ||
| And he was talking to her about what it was like growing up in North Korea and the experience of North Korea. | ||
| And it's fucking terrifying. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| They have no internet. | ||
| They have no power. | ||
| And she was talking about when she was young, she truly loved the royal family. | ||
| She loved them. | ||
| And their history doesn't go back to Jesus. | ||
| Their calendar doesn't go back. | ||
| Their calendar goes to Kim Jong-un's birth. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's what Christopher Hitchens said when he wrote this great article called Fat Man and Little Boy. | ||
| He said, the most depressing thing about North Korea is that the people actually love the family that runs it. | ||
| He goes, in all these other kleptocracies in third world countries, people will sneak out a little joke in a cafe. | ||
| They know they're being fucked over. | ||
| In North Korea, he said, the vigilance of which people really supported and thought they were living in this paradise, he said, was the most disturbing thing about it. | ||
| Like they had destroyed people's psyche and just sense of reality to a degree that it was like, you know, he had been all over the world. | ||
| He said that was really disturbing. | ||
| In the beginning of Lex Friedman's podcast, whether he explains what happened with North Korea and how during the 90s they had this massive famine where an undisclosed number of people died from starvation. | ||
| It may be hundreds of thousands. | ||
| It may be millions. | ||
| They don't really know. | ||
| Many people resorted to cannibalism, including cannibalizing their own children because the thought was if they died, other people are going to eat their children. | ||
| So they ate their own children. | ||
| That is a negative governmental strategy, you know? | ||
| That is like as bad as it gets. | ||
| It's as bad as it gets. | ||
| It's as bad as it gets. | ||
| It happened with Stalin, too, and that's one of the connections that he had to it because his grandmother survived what Stalin did in... | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| So, the 40s? | ||
| What happened with Stalin and Ukraine? | ||
| He loves Putin, though. | ||
| Lex Friedman. | ||
| Well, he's interested in what Putin stands for, and he doesn't think... | ||
| I think his position is... | ||
| I don't want to speak for him, so let me just say generally, I think. | ||
| All of this shit, whether it's the way the United States government handles things, whether they pretend that Joe Biden's running the world, all of this is bullshit. | ||
| At least with Putin, it's transparent. | ||
| It's not good that Putin poisons his rivals and has people assassinated. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| No criticism of Putin for me ever comes with A co-sign of what we've done, because we've done horrible things. | ||
| But, like, you do have to look at what Putin does and you go, he's clearly poisoning all of his enemies. | ||
| There's something going on. | ||
| Something's going on and it's not good. | ||
| Or people love him so much they're doing the dirty work for him. | ||
| That's not happening. | ||
| He's... | ||
| Why leave it to chance? | ||
| And so I just think you have to, you know, listen, I get it, but like, you know, Lex, I was texting with him the other day and he goes, they have integrity. | ||
| I said, I don't have integrity, man. | ||
| The guy wants absolute power and he just wants to kill everyone that gets in his way. | ||
| I don't know if that's integrity. | ||
| Have you seen that mansion that he's having built? | ||
| Oh, it's beautiful. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's this enormous compound. | ||
| Is it in Austin? | ||
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No. | |
| I'm kidding. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's Elon's house. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Is he going to be in Austin? | ||
| Elon lives in a tiny house. | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| That's what I read. | ||
| I haven't asked him. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, he sent me a text the other day and I was going to ask him about that, but I said no. | ||
| Putin is worth, what, a trillion dollars? | ||
| They don't know. | ||
| They don't know how much it is. | ||
| No one has any idea. | ||
| Because it's like, it's all bullshit. | ||
| Because it's like, he's got complete control over what gets reported. | ||
| It's all Bitcoin? | ||
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No. | |
| It's all Dogecoin. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| There's a mini Doge now. | ||
| Are you in crypto heavy? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I think it's a Ponzi scheme. | ||
| I own a Bitcoin. | ||
| I was paid a Bitcoin to do the Bitcoin conference. | ||
| I was given some Bitcoin and I cashed it all in for Fight for the Forgotten. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| The charity. | ||
| The charity, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| I have one Bitcoin of five Ethereum, so I'm just on the train. | ||
| We'll see where it goes. | ||
| What's more valuable? | ||
| Bitcoin? | ||
| Bitcoin is the most popular. | ||
| Bitcoin is clearly more valuable, yeah. | ||
| What is that worth now? | ||
| $35,000, Jamie? | ||
| About $35,000. | ||
| So it always gets up pretty high, and then people are like, get out now! | ||
| And then they sell it, or Elon tweets something, and then people sell. | ||
| What I think it's going to be is, it's clearly a speculative asset where it is driven largely by, like, Elon tweeting has been maybe the main driver of it gaining and losing value. | ||
| Which is bananas. | ||
| Which is bananas. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Well, that's when the fake anonymous video came out where people pissed off at him for doing that because they're like, you're fucking up people's lives with these tweets. | ||
| Well, it's the other thing is like there are true believers that believe it's going to replace gold and, you know, I don't know if that's going to happen. | ||
| There's a lot of people that believe it will be the reserve currency and in 10 years it'll be worth a million dollars of Bitcoin. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It's a very interesting... | ||
| The guy that started it is either dead or no one knows, but he has, like, the Satoshi... | ||
| Nakamoto. | ||
| Yeah, he's got... | ||
| Nakamoto? | ||
| I forget how many coins he has. | ||
| He has a million coins? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they don't know if he died or if he... | ||
| He has a million coins? | ||
| He has a million of them, and they don't know if he died or if he... | ||
| They don't know who he is. | ||
| They don't know who he is. | ||
| He's the Banksy of crypto. | ||
| He could be one of three people. | ||
| How crazy is the Banksy situation? | ||
| How does no one know who Banksy is? | ||
| I think people know. | ||
| I think they know. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| I'm pretty sure they know now. | ||
| I don't think the guy who they think it is has admitted to it. | ||
| Oh, they think they know the guy? | ||
| Wasn't it? | ||
| Someone said it was someone in a band. | ||
| Yeah, they nailed down like every time this band played somewhere, the Banksy thing showed up like the day before or after or something like that. | ||
| I think that's fun when people are anonymous. | ||
| I think that's good. | ||
| I think it's fun when people do things like that and then people have to figure out who they are. | ||
| Oh, it is fun. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
| It's definitely fun. | ||
| Bigfoot's fun. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all fun. | ||
| And Bigfoot, you think there's any possibility that he's still around? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Unfortunate. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| If anything, the density of the forest in the Pacific Northwest would be able to shelter some kind of creatures like that. | ||
| Do you think he was around at one point? | ||
| Yeah, it's 100%. | ||
| 100%? | ||
| Yeah, it was a real thing. | ||
| It was a thing called the Gigantopithecus. | ||
| They actually have bones that would indicate it was a bipedal hominid, an enormous one that they think is somewhere between 8 and 10 feet tall, and it existed for sure during the same time as human beings, as recently as 100,000 years ago. | ||
| Where is the most credible account of somebody seeing that hominid? | ||
| There's none. | ||
| None that are really good. | ||
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Okay. | |
| There's no really good accounts. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Yeah, the Patterson-Gimlin footage is horseshit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the guy, Bob Hieronymus, who said that he wore the Bigfoot suit. | ||
| There's side-by-side video of him walking, and the Bigfoot suit guy walking, and he walks like Bigfoot. | ||
| Yes, that was him. | ||
| He's a big, lanky cowboy motherfucker who's walking like this, and if you put that guy in a gorilla suit, and you filmed it all shaky off a horse, It would look like that. | ||
| Is it amazing to you as somebody who spent so long thinking about otherworldly visitors that now they're releasing all this information and no one really cares? | ||
| Well, the world is in such chaos now. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| I couldn't care less. | ||
| If this happened during the middle of the Obama administration, when everything was going great, it would be giant news. | ||
| And what is the news, even, that the Pentagon just can't account for all these unidentified flying objects? | ||
| Yeah, they don't know what they are. | ||
| There's some of them that could easily be drones, because they're not moving at spectacular speeds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're just sort of like hovering over aircraft carriers. | ||
| Those could be drones. | ||
| They could be some new style of drone or some new kind of technology that maybe some foreign government has. | ||
| But there's other ones that were spotted by Air Force pilots and then tracked, and they have detailed... | ||
| Data on the speed of these things. | ||
| They have video of these things going with what appears to me thousands of miles an hour, instantaneously accelerating with no visible propulsion system, no heat signature. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck this is. | ||
| And this is from 2004 off the Nimitz. | ||
| Commander David Fravor, who was a fighter jet pilot, is like... | ||
| Like, rock-solid credentials. | ||
| You can't... | ||
| And I've talked to the guy, I had him on my podcast, and even better, he was on Lex's podcast, and Lex did an even better job than I did, and talked to him for two-plus hours about this, and the guy's incredibly credible. | ||
| That fucking thing, whenever he was tracking, went from... | ||
| The Nimitz tracked it. | ||
| They tracked it on radar. | ||
| They tracked it with the onboard sensors, the things they use for targeting enemy crafts. | ||
| They tracked this thing from the Nimitz. | ||
| It went 80,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in a second. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck it is. | ||
| They don't know what it is. | ||
| They know that it was jamming their radar. | ||
| They know it was jamming them, and then it moved. | ||
| When it took off at insane rates of speed, they couldn't even watch it. | ||
| It just, it's gone. | ||
| And then it reemerged at the cat point. | ||
| The cat point is the predetermined location where the jets are supposed to scramble to during this exercise. | ||
| So it's literally saying, I know where you guys are going. | ||
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Right. | |
| You're going over here. | ||
| Whatever the fuck it is, who knows? | ||
| But does that mean that it's from another planet? | ||
| No. | ||
| It could be some fucking insane technology that the military's developed. | ||
| That we don't know. | ||
| It could be DARPA. Have you seen that shit where the military, there's patents for UFO-type See if you can find what those are because they're developing or at least they've attempted to develop some sort of gravitational drive that would indicate that at least there's been some thought about developing a craft like that. | ||
| Now, if you put a person in one of these things and you shot them off thousands of miles an hour, they turn into jello. | ||
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Right. | |
| But who says it's a person? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| We got a rover on Mars right now taking pictures. | ||
| There's a helicopter attached to it. | ||
| You got high resolution photographs from Mars. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Docs show Navy got UFO patent granted by warning of similar Chinese tech advances. | ||
| This is what I'm saying. | ||
| Patent document indicates that the US and China are actively developing radical new craft that seem eerily similar to UFOs reported by Navy pilots. | ||
| Now, If this is like on paper somewhere, where they're trying to get patents and they're telling you the Chinese The military already has something like this. | ||
| What we're getting is years later, they've been probably developing shit like this for decades. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| So they probably have some sort of working thing that can move in extraordinary ways. | ||
| We are not going to care until there's a Mars Attack-style raid on the White House, like that movie. | ||
| If you don't land with ray guns and start blasting people, I don't even give a shit. | ||
| No one's going to care. | ||
| We're real weird with it now. | ||
| I've always said that if aliens are real, Earth is the Tijuana of outer space. | ||
| You're not kidding. | ||
| And they come down here when they're fucked up and they want to see a show. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly right. | ||
| And then they leave. | ||
| No one's trying to save Tijuana. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nobody's thinking about it. | ||
| Yeah, it's a place that you go and they mention it in a movie every now and then. | ||
| You'll see a donkey show. | ||
| Robert Rodriguez features it in a vampire movie and then you get out of there. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| It's the one conspiracy that I've never gotten into that much because the information is so tough to come by that I've just always said nothing would surprise me. | ||
| Nothing would surprise me. | ||
| There's something going on there's something going on but what that something is remains to be seen have you seen that video the men in black that walk into they walk into this It's just two very tall weird dudes that walk into like a Hotel and then leave Jamie you can find it easily and it's just these guys that were supposedly like you know something weird happened and supposedly they're guys that come in like after something weird happens and like Shut it down, | ||
| and they're both very tall and very... | ||
| And I don't know if it's fake or not. | ||
| I don't think it is fake, though, but I don't know. | ||
| It could be fake. | ||
| Where can one find this video? | ||
| It's on YouTube or something. | ||
| Jamie can find it. | ||
| It's the real Men in Black. | ||
| It's like the real, you know, whatever. | ||
| You know, supposedly there was something that happened where, I don't know, somebody went in after it. | ||
| Like, somebody had to go respond to something, and these two, like, weird-looking dudes came in. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| There's got to be a men in black. | ||
| If there are, if we know about, there's got to be some part of the government that deals with that. | ||
| Well, there's two schools of thought, right? | ||
| One school of thought is that the government is way too incompetent to ever keep anything from anybody. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| And there's other schools of thought where you're like, no, there's a perceived buffoonery that's attached to some level of government because there's a lot of people in government that are fucking idiots. | ||
| But there's a lot of people that work at UPS that are fucking idiots. | ||
| That are idiots, yeah. | ||
| But if you get to the highest levels of the organization- They know what they're doing. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you're going to ascend to the highest levels of the CIA or the NSA, you're going to probably be brilliant. | ||
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Right. | |
| What are the odds that you're not? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're probably going to have a deep... | ||
| And a good person. | ||
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No. | |
| The best people. | ||
| But you're going to have a deep understanding of what's going on. | ||
| Yeah, of foreign policy and how to manipulate things and intelligence. | ||
| Did you not find the Men in Black video? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I found something, but it was animation and stuff. | ||
| It wasn't really like a hotel. | ||
| No, I don't know if it was a hotel. | ||
| It was just two guys that walked in and then left, and they looked very strange. | ||
| The video I found is like a description of events of that happening. | ||
| I didn't find it in an actual video. | ||
| I'm looking. | ||
| Well, it's always been one of those things, a part of UFO folklore, right? | ||
| These men and black folks, they look oddly fake. | ||
| They look like fake-looking skin when they show up. | ||
| But that's what I would do. | ||
| If I was going to go interview some guy about UFOs, you know what I would do? | ||
| I'd put weird white makeup on and I'd dress in a black suit and I'd ask him strange questions while wearing sunglasses. | ||
| And I'd have him freak out. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why not fuck with him? | ||
| Why not leave him to the point where what he's going to tell all of his friends is so crazy, no one's going to believe it? | ||
| Well, that's part of, I think, what a lot of it is. | ||
| Imagine if you have an aircraft that's shaped like a pyramid, right? | ||
| And you're flying it over Philadelphia. | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| I don't know what this is. | ||
| Dude's wearing suits. | ||
| To me, that proves it. | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| It proves it to me. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| That proves it to me. | ||
| What is the Niagara Falls show canceled? | ||
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| immediately. | ||
| Finally, we have perhaps the most conclusive evidence of the real men in black at a hotel in Canada, and the manager was a little disturbed when his bellboy informed him that the previous day the hotel had and the manager was a little disturbed when his bellboy informed him that the previous day the hotel had been visited by two tall men dressed Maybe they were Johnny Cash fans. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck does that mean? | ||
| So they're just men. | ||
| This is what's ridiculous about conspiracy theories. | ||
| Those are two guys wearing suits. | ||
| I have a suit. | ||
| Do you have a suit? | ||
| Yes, but I don't think they have eyebrows. | ||
| Now that... | ||
| What is this? | ||
| They had no eyebrows? | ||
| Oh, see, that's what I would do. | ||
| I would fucking shave my eyebrows or put some makeup on over them so that I look like a weirdo. | ||
| And then make them real uncomfortable when they're telling their friends. | ||
| Man, I'm gonna fucking believe this. | ||
| Look at these guys. | ||
| Here they are. | ||
| Okay, that's got to be from a movie, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What is that image from? | ||
| Let that guy play it out. | ||
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And that concludes our look at the men in black. | |
| Oh, come on. | ||
| That guy's got striped ties. | ||
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But remember, guys, this has been a look at just a handful of real-life accounts involving these mystery men. | |
| There are many more stories to look at online. | ||
| Oh, well, as long as they're online. | ||
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There's a British guy saying, there's the men in black. | |
| There are many mysteries to look at. | ||
| As long as there's more stories. | ||
| Yeah, online. | ||
| There's more content online we can sink our teeth into. | ||
| Rabbit holes. | ||
| We love to go down. | ||
| What do you think could happen? | ||
| Do you think in 20 years people are going to look at us as like prehistoric creatures with all this stuff because they'll know a lot of it? | ||
| They'll look at us and they'll go, what are you talking about? | ||
| Like you guys are goofballs? | ||
| You know, I was watching a video where Yuval Noah Harati, do you know who he is, the guy who wrote Sapiens? | ||
| He was talking about what happened in the early days of literature, and that in the early days of literature, see if you can find this, it's on his Instagram, and it's very, very interesting. | ||
| It's a speech that he's giving where he's talking about disinformation online, and he said that in the early days of literature, the things that people were reading Weren't books about Galileo. | ||
| It wasn't about, you know, nature. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The early books were how-to books on how to spot witches. | ||
| And they were the most popular books. | ||
| So everybody was reading witch books and they were killing witches. | ||
| So who knows how many fucking innocent people were murdered where they thought they were witches because they had read these books, proclaiming this is how you spot a witch. | ||
| Which is what he was saying is exactly the kind of disinformation you're getting now with this new media source. | ||
| So the old media source being printed word, all of a sudden it's in a book, it must be true. | ||
| This new media source, oh, I read it online, it must be true. | ||
| I saw a video. | ||
| It must be true. | ||
| It must be true, but it's the same type of thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| So what they're trying to do- And every now and then they hit on something right. | ||
| Every now and then they do get a witch. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| There was absolutely witches. | ||
| There were annoying women- Let's say that. | ||
| There were annoying women that no one missed. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There had to be. | ||
| I mean, it's a thing. | ||
| It's a real thing, of course. | ||
| Looking for the men in black thing, I stumbled across this. | ||
| It apparently was in a leak from Edward Snowden's, a dump of stuff he put out. | ||
| This is in 2014, the article. | ||
| This is a PowerPoint. | ||
| The Art of Deception, Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations. | ||
| And what sticks out here is a couple slides in. | ||
| It says what they're looking for is we want to build cyber magicians. | ||
| And then it goes into this long thread of how... | ||
| And this is something that Edward Snowden exposed? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So what this is... | ||
| Explain what this is. | ||
| I'm trying to look through, because it says on it, like, secret, it says USA, you know, there's pictures of four guys lifting up a tank. | ||
| Oh, yeah, but you know what those are? | ||
| Those were inflatable tanks that they inflated and installed to trick the Russians, or to trick the Nazis, into thinking that they had troops moving into specific areas where they weren't really... | ||
| It was a deceptive tactic. | ||
| You could find that I love that. | ||
| There's video of those guys picking up. | ||
| It says, attention, perception, sense-making, behavior, effect. | ||
| Psychological building blocks of deception. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, for sure, they know how to fuck with people. | ||
| Here's like, how are you going to use social media to do it? | ||
| So this is something... | ||
| Okay, it's on The Intercept, right? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Which was where Greenwald used to work. | ||
| And so it says, the map of technologies to message delivery, email, webpages, blogging, LinkedIn. | ||
| And what are they trying to do here? | ||
| Community of interest. | ||
| So it's clear that the type of manipulation that they've been involved with is orchestrated. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And the battleground now is online. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Well, that's why they have such a hard time with people like you and I. They don't like it. | ||
| Well, that's why I'm trying to make money for the next five years, and then we'll see. | ||
| I don't know the long-term play online. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a lot of things that are not encouraging. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| The demonetization of... | ||
| Certain channels, the call to limit topics that you can discuss, those things to me, they don't bode well, particularly for the future. | ||
| There's never a time where censorship is a good thing. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never has been. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Never will be. | ||
| When people are being censored by large corporations, the odds of you getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but are very slim. | ||
| You're going to get a watered-down, corporatized version of what may or may not be true, and If they can withhold certain information and maximize profits or increase the profitable – like, if they have relationships with certain corporations that would lose money if people started discussing certain things, they will most likely suppress those things and come up with some justification for why they're doing it. | ||
| Well, yeah, I just hope that, you know, That it doesn't get worse. | ||
| It's going to get worse. | ||
| And I know it will. | ||
| So that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I want to do well and earn money. | ||
| And then hide in the woods. | ||
| And then we'll see what happens. | ||
| I don't want to go to the woods, per se. | ||
| Maybe the beach. | ||
| But I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| And when you're making a living speaking and telling jokes... | ||
| And you're using these platforms to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's, you know, you think about it. | ||
| You go to bed at night and you go, oh, okay. | ||
| Well, at the end of the day, we always do live comedy, right? | ||
| Yes, that's true. | ||
| Live comedy is always going to exist. | ||
| And it's whether or not you can let people know where your show is. | ||
| Well, that's right. | ||
| It's going to be harder and harder. | ||
| That's going to be, yeah. | ||
| I mean, imagine if you're Donald Trump right now. | ||
| It's very difficult to even tell people, like, what you're thinking today. | ||
| He can get it out. | ||
| But if you, today. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Like, if he wants to tweet. | ||
| Banned from everything. | ||
| Can't tweet. | ||
| If you want to put something on Parler, who's reading that? | ||
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Right. | |
| He started that new platform, though. | ||
| He bailed on it. | ||
| No, yesterday. | ||
| Wait, what's his- He started a new platform yesterday? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's called Getter. | ||
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G-E-T-T-R. Get her. | |
| Ha ha ha. | ||
| I mean, he's fun. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| He's a lot of fun. | ||
| He's a lot of fun. | ||
| That's a new platform he's starting? | ||
| It says, yeah, advertised mission statement as fighting cancel culture, promoting common sense, defending free speech, challenging social media monopolies, and creating a true marketplace of ideas. | ||
| Officially launches July 4th. | ||
| Have you seen this guy, Hezbollah? | ||
| On TikTok, Mini Khabib. | ||
| Oh yeah, the little tiny guy. | ||
| I'm trying to get him on the show. | ||
| Oh, how are you going to get him here? | ||
| I don't know, by saying it on a very big podcast. | ||
| But I really want Hezbollah to come on my show. | ||
| We'll pay him. | ||
| We'll pay him 10 grand. | ||
| In American money or rubles? | ||
| In American money. | ||
| That's huge, right? | ||
| $10,000 is a good amount for that film. | ||
| We'll pay his bullet $10,000 to come on the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He has a fight with another little guy, Abdu Rosik. | ||
| Well, let me say this. | ||
| I was going to have Lex Friedman translate, and then he's like, well, I do serious stuff with Russia, so I don't want to get involved with this. | ||
| Well, he has to be careful. | ||
| Is this his car? | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe then $10,000 is not enough. | ||
| Oh, he's in the trunk? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Dude, he's a gangster. | ||
| He's everywhere, though. | ||
| He's everywhere. | ||
| They're doing an amazing job with him, I have to say. | ||
| He's doing a great job. | ||
| Mini Khabib. | ||
| Whoever's handling him is doing a fucking phenomenal job. | ||
| Because he's like 18, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did you see the press conference with him and the other kid? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it's amazing. | ||
| Look, he's everywhere. | ||
| How many followers does he have? | ||
| Two million now. | ||
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| You sit down on fucking Khabib's lap! | ||
| Yeah, we're just trying to get Mini Khabib. | ||
| Did you hear the TikToker YouTuber fight? | ||
| Did you watch any of that? | ||
| No, but I want to say this. | ||
| I want to just put this out there. | ||
| If he's willing to go on your podcast, I will promote it on my Instagram page, which has 12.8 million people. | ||
| I will help him. | ||
| I will talk about it on this podcast. | ||
| I'm doing so right now. | ||
| We're going to clip it and send that to... | ||
| Can I be there? | ||
| I would love you to be there. | ||
| Will you do it here? | ||
| We'll do it here. | ||
| We'll do it here. | ||
| Yeah, I'll be there. | ||
| We'll do it here. | ||
| I'll be there. | ||
| See, this is Abdul Rozek, and they're very angry, and they're talking about... | ||
| Hezbollah has accused him of advertising sports betting during Ramadan. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Is that what he accused him of? | ||
| Yes, and the other guy has accused Hezbollah of using crass language during Ramadan, which is also not good. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so we're trying to get Hezbollah on. | ||
| I have very few goals. | ||
| And this is one of them. | ||
| It's incredible how much they've elevated this guy's platform so quickly. | ||
| It's like that one little video caught fire. | ||
| It wasn't that long ago. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, there's this massive push behind him and I see him everywhere. | ||
| Every time I open up Instagram, I see a little video of him. | ||
| He's doing a great job. | ||
| Who's ever doing this, whether it's Putin, whoever it is, good job. | ||
| Hots off to you. | ||
| Two million followers. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| How many followers do you have on Instagram? | ||
| I have 423,000. | ||
| And you have a very popular podcast. | ||
| Yeah, and the podcast is great, but it's doing well. | ||
| You're killing it. | ||
| I'm no Hezbollah. | ||
| But isn't that amazing? | ||
| You have less than a fourth of what he has. | ||
| Oh, I would expect to have much fewer than him. | ||
| But that's nuts, because I think a year ago he had zero. | ||
| Well, he's popped hard. | ||
| How long has he been around? | ||
| Hard. | ||
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| Hard. | ||
| Quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I would have thought Meghan McCain would have put you over the top, that one. | ||
| Not that, no. | ||
| Because he's just, I mean, every time I see him, like, the other day he fought a monkey. | ||
| I can't do this. | ||
| I don't have this. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| He fought a monkey? | ||
| Oh no, he's really fighting a monkey? | ||
| Yes, I told you. | ||
| Oh no, the monkey's gonna bite him. | ||
| Don't fight monkeys. | ||
| The monkey's winning. | ||
| Yeah, the monkey's gonna win every time. | ||
| But this is the type of content I really cannot compete with. | ||
| Monkeys can throw themselves through trees with one arm. | ||
| Aw, they made up. | ||
| Yes, he does a lot with this monkey. | ||
| Bro, that's a baby baboon. | ||
| Dude, Chechnya's wild. | ||
| They're wild. | ||
| They're wild. | ||
| They're wild over there. | ||
| The head guy in Chechnya is a giant fan of MMA. Yeah, but don't they kill everybody over there? | ||
| They just kill everyone. | ||
| They're not a fan of gay folks. | ||
| They kill a lot of people. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, anybody who steps out of line. | ||
| Yeah, anybody who steps out of line. | ||
| Yeah, they're not fans of that. | ||
| But I'm sure they like MMA. They were letting children fight, and people got angry about that. | ||
| Well, not only did people get angry, but Fedor Emelianenko got angry, and then that guy got mad at Fedor Emelianenko. | ||
| Fedor Emelianenko is arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time. | ||
| When he was the heavyweight champion of Pride, he was the fucking man. | ||
| So pull up Fedor highlight reels. | ||
| Fedor... | ||
| And he said, you can't fight, you can't have children. | ||
| Yeah, he was like, you shouldn't have children fight. | ||
| And this guy was like, who the fuck are you? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Like, seriously. | ||
| I don't know if he used that language. | ||
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| That tone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very upset. | ||
| Where do you stand on the children fight? | ||
| Children? | ||
| This is my position. | ||
| It is good for children to learn to spar when they're children because they don't hit hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when you spar, when there's not much consequences, it's better. | ||
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| Because you learn how to spar and you don't have as many mental blocks. | ||
| When you're a grown man, if you're a 20-year-old guy and you're real strong and you're sparring with another 20-year-old guy and you're trying to really hit each other, you're tense and you don't learn as well. | ||
| When kids are hitting each other and it's not that much of a consequence. | ||
| So you get to understand the movements better. | ||
| So what you're really supposed to do is a lot of drilling, and then if you can get used to sparring when you're young, you actually can develop better skills. | ||
| It's arguable, but also there's a thing that happens when you're really young where your body matures into striking. | ||
| I got into martial arts when I was a young teenager, and my body was still growing. | ||
| So as I learned martial arts, my body matured into martial arts, and I developed striking skills while my body was growing and getting stronger and thicker, and I think you get better that way. | ||
| I think when you're already a grown man, unless you have a very specific style of athleticism, it's harder to get good at striking. | ||
| Some wrestlers, they have like a slower style and they don't have a lot of fast twitch muscles in the same way that like a striker does. | ||
| They have a really hard time developing striking power and like real striking skills as they get older because it's just a different thing to learn. | ||
| Football players, same way. | ||
| But what about these fights that they were doing with kids was not good? | ||
| Well, they do it in Thailand. | ||
| See, in Thailand, kids sometimes will have a hundred fights, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So maybe it is good for the children to fight. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Look, all fighting gives you brain damage. | ||
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What about babies? | |
| Babies can't even hurt each other. | ||
| You let them fight and they have mushy heads. | ||
| Because that, to me, is even more fun, like toddlers fighting. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let me see what this looks like. | ||
| See, those kids kind of look a little muscular. | ||
| I think when you get to this age, they can hurt each other. | ||
| But maybe not. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| If you have good referees and you teach them how to fight correctly, you teach them how to be defensively responsible, the thing about this is they don't have the ability to consent because they're so young. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When you're seven years old or however old these kids are and your parents tell you to fight, you don't know what brain damage is. | ||
| You don't know that you're going to live to be 80. I mean, you do, but you don't really understand it yet. | ||
| Oh, they're fucking cracking each other. | ||
| These kids have skills. | ||
| But if they can learn these skills at this age, yeah, they're going off. | ||
| But see, that referee is on top of them, right? | ||
| He's paying attention. | ||
| And these kids aren't necessarily getting badly hurt here. | ||
| They're just getting kind of touched up. | ||
| It's tricky. | ||
| Like, I would want my kids to learn... | ||
| It's almost like kids being actors. | ||
| If my kids wanted to learn fighting, like I say, if they decided, even my daughters, if they said, I want to be a fighter, okay, okay. | ||
| We're going to do it slowly, and we're going to do it the right way, and I want you to develop, like, legitimate defensive skills before you start sparring. | ||
| It's almost like any job a kid has. | ||
| Whether it's a kid who goes, I want to be a movie star, or I want to be a musician. | ||
| Like, any job that a kid has, you've got to be very careful. | ||
| Very careful. | ||
| Very careful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe even more so if they want to be a movie star, believe it or not. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, and you need certain kids to do kid roles, right? | ||
| You've got to have them. | ||
| There are so many, you know, we all have so many, we all know so many horror stories about abuse, whether it's sexual, physical, mental, emotional. | ||
| Kids are not ready for that level. | ||
| So it's like with the same thing with that, you got to be very careful. | ||
| They don't even know what the fuck being a normal person is. | ||
| At least you and I, we're getting a lot of attention as adults, but we went through most of our young life being completely anonymous. | ||
| Well, I was on Sesame Street as a kid. | ||
| Were you? | ||
| Yeah, I was on Sesame Street twice, so I wouldn't say anonymous. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| I forgot about that. | ||
| Yeah, no, I wouldn't say anonymous. | ||
| I forgot about that. | ||
| You may have been anonymous. | ||
| I was anonymous. | ||
| But I was on Sesame Street and- How much attention did you get from that? | ||
| From my third grade class, I was very impressed when it was played for them. | ||
| Yeah, we played it on the big screen. | ||
| Were you like the king of the class? | ||
| Well, for the day. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| We played this. | ||
| Yeah, we played this. | ||
| You're in the back, right? | ||
| The blue shirt? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| See, everyone goes, it was not diverse. | ||
| It was always diverse. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| It's pretty diverse. | ||
| Sesame Street was always one of the most progressive shows. | ||
| Yeah, it was progressive. | ||
| This is what I did. | ||
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This was... | |
| Is that the Snuffleupagus? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, what was he? | ||
| Some drug addict. | ||
| Wasn't a drug addict in real life? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They were all fucked up. | ||
| Does he have two arms inside that thing? | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
| Dude, I mean, all these people were so fucked up. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Were they? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of them were. | ||
| Did you meet them? | ||
| You would see them. | ||
| Like, the guy who did Big Bird was, like, kind of meth-y looking. | ||
| That guy, Carol, you know? | ||
| And then I only did the show twice. | ||
| I did that, and I did a... | ||
| Another thing. | ||
| And then they sent me a letter when I was in third grade, just like, we can't use you anymore. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it was a hilarious letter I put up on some social media where they said, our audience is younger, our audience is now two to four, and they don't want to see, like, nine-year-olds. | ||
| This was a fact. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Or 11-year-olds, whatever. | ||
| You were too big. | ||
| Yeah, but that's why I learned how to be in this business, because you faced rejection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I went on auditions when I was a little kid all the time, and you would just be in the middle of the script, you'd be reading it, and the guy would go, yeah, thank you for coming. | ||
| I was talking to this dude once, he was a martial arts guy that was also an actor, and he was saying that the real problem in Hollywood is that they don't have enough roles for Asian people. | ||
| But he wasn't saying it like, you know, as an Asian guy, it's very difficult for me to get parts. | ||
| He was saying like Hollywood has a responsibility to write roles and to have roles for Asian people. | ||
| And I remember me and him having this conversation and part of me wanted to see it from his perspective and go, yeah, that's got to suck. | ||
| Because imagine if you're an Asian man and you're trying to act in Hollywood and there's a hundred movies, but there's only one role for an Asian man. | ||
| But there's like 99 roles or 250,000 roles for a white guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, what do you do? | ||
| That's tough. | ||
| But is it the responsibility of Hollywood to write for Asian people? | ||
| Because my take on it was like, okay, if you're a guy and you're a screenwriter and you have a vision, you're not thinking, I want to make two black lesbians and one Asian guy and have as few white people as possible. | ||
| What I want to do is just make a movie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I have a movie about a monster chasing people. | ||
| I don't give a fuck who he kills. | ||
| I'm not thinking about it that way. | ||
| But his responsibility was Hollywood is an industry and they need to make space for Asian people. | ||
| Yeah, I think there are weird blind spots. | ||
| It was weird that they never had an Asian person on SNL for years. | ||
| It was weird that they never had a black woman on SNL. When did the first Asian person get on SNL? Recently. | ||
| Was that that guy that's on it right now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's weird that they... | ||
| But a lot of the people that write for these comedy shows are all Harvard white guys. | ||
| It's not even like working-class guys. | ||
| It's like people that all come out of Harvard, all come out of Yale. | ||
| Same with news radio. | ||
| When I was on news radio, a lot of the writers came from there. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So there are these blind spots, and I think that you do want different types of people that bring different things to the table. | ||
| I think what happens is, You also have to understand and accept the fact that there may just be less Asian people pursuing comedy. | ||
| That's also a fact. | ||
| There's perhaps less. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean, this isn't even comedy. | ||
| We're talking about just acting. | ||
| And there's going to be less. | ||
| There's going to be more white people because the majority of the country has been white for so long that when you look at the movies and the TV shows, they're all going to be predominantly white because that's the majority population. | ||
| But yeah, Hollywood should do a better job of... | ||
| Writing roles for different types of people. | ||
| Right, but whose job is that to do? | ||
| Because if you're thinking about a guy who's a screenwriter, if you're just a dude and you're some Quentin Tarantino character, you're just trying to write some crazy, wild movie that's going to be an awesome movie, you're most likely not thinking about making sure that the cast is diverse. | ||
| I think you got to hire an Asian screenwriter. | ||
| Well, this conversation that I had with this guy was like in the early 2000s or the late 90s. | ||
| It was quite a while ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I remember being in a situation where part of me wanted to argue against it, and part of me wanted to argue for it. | ||
| So from his position, I was like, yeah, I get it. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| It's got to suck. | ||
| But then I was like, but man, if you're a guy who's got a vision, and your vision is like four white guys go camping and they get eaten by a werewolf, and that's the whole movie. | ||
| Like, what... | ||
| Is it your job to cast an Asian guy? | ||
| Is it your job to decide one of these guys is Asian? | ||
| I think it's about stories, right? | ||
| So you got to look at like where you would look at like obviously every movie is not for white guys get eaten by a guy. | ||
| So you look at like what are interesting stories that may emanate from Like, find stories about Asian people. | ||
| And I think that can be done. | ||
| People should do a better job of that. | ||
| I think it's studio heads going... | ||
| Because there are markets, right? | ||
| There's markets out there that are underserved. | ||
| So there are people that want to see those movies that aren't getting them. | ||
| And then when you have Black Panther, when you had Black Panther, people were like, okay, we want to see this. | ||
| This is a big movie. | ||
| So I think it's just the job is finding those markets out there that make... | ||
| Because nobody does anything unless it makes them money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think what they're afraid of is doing things that fail, doing things that don't make the money. | ||
| So I think once it's shown that these things are profitable and they do make money and people do want to see them, you'll see more of it. | ||
| I think now we've gone the other way where it's an overcorrection where we're putting identity above talent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That becomes a huge problem. | ||
| That is a problem. | ||
| Because the game is supposed to be that everybody, regardless of who they are, has to compete and their talent has to be the main driving factor. | ||
| Because the problem with that is you get bad actors, and I don't mean bad actors in terms of not being good at acting. | ||
| I mean people that are acting in bad faith. | ||
| They decide to play off of their identity versus talent, and they try to weasel their way in a position to get roles. | ||
| And it lowers the quality of everything. | ||
| And by the way, it's actually not the really funny comedians or the really good actors that are minorities that get chosen. | ||
| It actually happens to be the people that are the most political and the loudest and the most able to take advantage of the system. | ||
| So you see actually a lot of really funny comedians get passed over in favor of people that are just very good at optics. | ||
| And I think that's the problem. | ||
| I think we all want more diverse We want things that are interesting. | ||
| We want opportunity for everybody. | ||
| I want opportunity for everybody. | ||
| I also get bored. | ||
| I don't want to watch just four white guys in the woods get eaten by a werewolf. | ||
| What if it's a good movie, though? | ||
| Yeah, I want to watch it once, but then I also want to see different types of movies. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Remember that Mickey Rourke movie? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's one of the crazy things. | ||
| I had this wild conversation with Quentin Tarantino that's become a big deal about Bruce Lee. | ||
| He was kind of critical of Bruce Lee in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and painted him in a way that a lot of people... | ||
| And he defended it. | ||
| But the point is like when Bruce Lee came along he was the coolest person on earth And you have to understand what it was like to be me in the 1970s when the Bruce Lee movies came out and I was a little kid I was blown away I was living in New Jersey and me and my friend we live in this apartment building together. | ||
| We watched a One of the Bruce Lee movies on television and I couldn't fucking believe how cool he was and everybody wanted to be this One Chinese guy right everybody wanted to be Bruce Lee which had never happened before right like a guy was so cool that a previously on not unrecognized but uncelebrated class A Chinese martial arts actor. | ||
| That didn't exist. | ||
| Now was the most important. | ||
| One of the biggest, most popular actors in the country. | ||
| Which is nuts. | ||
| That's never happened before. | ||
| Where one guy breaks through in a genre and literally transcends all of Hollywood and became Bruce fucking Lee. | ||
| Where when you thought about martial arts, you thought of Bruce Lee, and he was literally one of the biggest stars on earth. | ||
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| Which is nuts. | ||
| No, and that's the whole importance of having people like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's also, like, there was so many things going on there. | ||
| There was, like, incredible talent, incredible physical looks, like he was shredded. | ||
| No one the fuck was shredded back then. | ||
| Nobody was shredded like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When Bruce Lee would take off his shirt and go, I guess, and pull his lats up, nobody was built like that back then. | ||
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| I mean, he was fucking shredded. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody, like, who back then had a six-pack like Bruce Lee? | ||
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Nobody. | |
| Nobody! | ||
| And by the way, no steroids back then either. | ||
| Or if there was, I mean, I don't think actors were on them. | ||
| Like, maybe Bulgarian weightlifters were on them. | ||
| It's an interesting question, though, whose responsibility is it? | ||
| I think it's just, it's everybody who's got to work together a little bit. | ||
| You know, I don't think it falls on any one person. | ||
| Well, one of the beautiful things about our job, or our business, the world of stand-up comedy, is the most accepting of diversity, period. | ||
| All you have to do is kill. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| If you kill, it is in many ways a real meritocracy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That if you're a fucking murderer, if you're a three-foot-tall, half-Asian, half-black, transsexual person, but you go on stage and fucking rock the house, Then you're in. | ||
| All comics want to give you knuckles and all comics want to go, have you seen him? | ||
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Or her? | |
| Or they? | ||
| Or her? | ||
| Or Zer? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're fucking murdering. | ||
| Well, that's it. | ||
| It's the people that can't do that that then have to invent the other qualifications. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They invent the other criteria. | ||
| That's the people who are always bitching about lineups. | ||
| They're going, look at that lineup. | ||
| It's all white men. | ||
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| Like, okay. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| If you went on that lineup and you murdered, they'd put you right the fuck there at the top of the marquee like everybody else who murders. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right. | ||
| Whether it's Ali Wong or Whitney Cummings or Eliza Schlesinger or whoever the fuck it is. | ||
| Ms. Pat. | ||
| Whoever the fuck it is that murders. | ||
| When you murder, you're treated with utmost respect. | ||
| It's just the business is hard. | ||
| Well, that's also a lot of people don't like meritocracy. | ||
| So I think that's a huge problem. | ||
| There's a lot of people that aren't a fan of the word. | ||
| They don't believe there's any type of meritocracy that exists ever. | ||
| Maybe not a pure one. | ||
| Well, nothing's pure. | ||
| I mean, walk around a locker room, some guys have 2 inch dicks, some guys have 9 inch dicks. | ||
| It just is what it is, right? | ||
| It's not a meritocracy. | ||
| So everybody has advantages, inherent advantages. | ||
| But I do think that comedy comes the closest. | ||
| It's pretty close. | ||
| Although, I will say that I think it's way more difficult to be a comic and be a woman. | ||
| Because there's certain subjects that people, like, maybe prejudiced people don't want to hear you talk about, like guys. | ||
| Like, guys don't want to hear a woman telling people what to do. | ||
| Like, you don't mind if a guy goes on stage, like some guys don't mind, if a guy goes on stage and goes, what we need to fucking do in this country is this, that, and the other thing, and if it's funny, people laugh. | ||
| When a girl goes on stage and says, what we need to do in this country is this, that, and they're like, what you need to do is get back in the fucking kitchen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's guys who have that kind of attitude. | ||
| Sex, very difficult. | ||
| If women talk about sex, either they're perceived as a slut or they're perceived in a weird way. | ||
| You have to have... | ||
| Your take on sex can't be as... | ||
| Open as a guy's take on sex. | ||
| Guys can talk about blowjobs or this or that, and people just accept it. | ||
| This is what guys talk about. | ||
| Whereas if a girl talks about those kind of things, there's a certain amount of people in the audience that are going to be hesitant to listen to these discussions. | ||
| It's a hundred percent. | ||
| It's a hundred percent. | ||
| Trickier. | ||
| But it's also how do you fix that? | ||
| You can't. | ||
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Can't. | |
| You can't because it's a society thing. | ||
| That's a thing. | ||
| So if a woman gets through that net, if a woman becomes a Miss Pat and pops through, it's even more impressive. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| So the people that bitch about the lineups, like they'll bitch about it and say, you know, I should be on that lineup. | ||
| Well, Maybe it's more difficult for you to get through. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But at the end of the day, if there's only 10 slots, should they give a slot to someone who's not as good as someone who's on that lineup just because that person has a vagina? | ||
| Well, there is a changing definition of what comedy is, and we're not going to like it. | ||
| I imagine that real comedy will survive in some capacity, but there is a changing definition of what comedy is. | ||
| Comedy has now become, I'm here to speak my truth, I'm here to talk, you're here to listen, and this idea of punching and hard, killing and fun, that is still the comedy that people want to see, it's still the comedy that makes money in clubs, it's still the comedy that people go to theaters to see. | ||
| But there's a vastly different understanding of what comedy is from a lot of people that are getting into it now. | ||
| Many, many people are getting into comedy now with a very different value system and idea of what it is. | ||
| Truly. | ||
| And we can hate that. | ||
| And they may all go away. | ||
| And they may not matter. | ||
| Nobody cares about what's on TV anymore, really. | ||
| I mean, and that's part of the reason. | ||
| Because everything sucks. | ||
| Not everything, but a large amount of things. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| A lot of people want to go see people go speak their truth. | ||
| And those people are entitled to do that. | ||
| No, they're not. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| Because here's the reality. | ||
| If that was the case, they wouldn't bitch about lineups. | ||
| Yeah, but okay. | ||
| What about Hannah Gadsby? | ||
| Not a lot of people want to go see her. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| She sells out theaters. | ||
| She used to. | ||
| And then people went to that second thing where she's like, Picasso is the right bit. | ||
| The second one that she did, people started to go, oh, okay. | ||
| You can do the magic trick once. | ||
| The second time you do it, people start going, oh, okay. | ||
| No, she'll work the festival circuit forever, but the reality is, I get she was big shit that moment, but how many times can you just get up and go, men sucks, somebody hit me with a dick on a bus, God bless her, but after a while, it starts to get stale. | ||
| You know when, I think she lost a lot of people, she did this women in Hollywood thing? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And she was talking about the good men. | ||
| The good men. | ||
| And she was shitting on guys who are good guys. | ||
| Drawing on the good men. | ||
| The jimmies. | ||
| The jimmies of the world. | ||
| And everybody's like, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Now, you're attacking guys who... | ||
| Don't attack people? | ||
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| Like, what are you saying? | ||
| Well, because you're all no good men, Joe. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| There's no good men because good men defend bad men and I don't really know where I am. | ||
| My friends from Australia who had seen her do comedy before were saying that she was essentially kind of like a mid-level comic in terms of the jokes. | ||
| But what people really resonated with in that special was not jokes. | ||
| Watch the most woke people online. | ||
| They're kind of haxed. | ||
| You're like Catskill Hacks. | ||
| That was a whole type of comedy where they'd get up and go, Can you believe I'm doing this? | ||
| It's like ironic, detached comedy. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| And it's like, no, it's much harder to actually do it and then succeed or fail. | ||
| Well, there was a thing about alt comics for a long time where they were upset at comics from the store because they put too much effort out when they were on stage. | ||
| There was literally a criticism. | ||
| They put too much energy. | ||
| They cared too much. | ||
| They were too entertaining. | ||
| So because they didn't do that, they didn't like that other comics did that. | ||
| And it was their escape clause. | ||
| Like, I don't do that kind of comedy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I do a much more ironic, much more sedate comedy that's much more intelligent. | ||
| And you want to talk about white supremacy, the alternative rooms in New York City where I started were whiter than the Charlottesville march. | ||
| And they were all rich white suburban kids who had gone to theater arts summer camps and they were like, you know, and then they would be like, you know, they would do these, you know, some of them were funny and some of them got famous and whatever, but the vast majority of them became writers on shows that they hated or whatever. | ||
| And a lot of them just went really mainstream. | ||
| And I mean, some of them now write for like network sitcoms and stuff. | ||
| And they were like, they were the guys in Brooklyn who were like, you know, in 2011, they had the beard and the thing. | ||
| And now they're writing for CBS sitcoms. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's what happens. | ||
| But the criticism of people that are giving out effort, like the idea that comedy has to be one style of comedy. | ||
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| Like, I never had a problem with people who talk slowly. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because there's a lot of really funny... | ||
| Look, Stephen Wright is one of the best examples ever. | ||
| He's got one of the most bland deliveries of all time, very slow, slow burn, and one of the best comics of all time. | ||
| I've never... | ||
| I don't care at all about... | ||
| What people do and who they are. | ||
| I think the criticism usually hits. | ||
| It's never like I'm never going into Brooklyn and going, why am I not on that lineup? | ||
| I'm never doing that. | ||
| I'm never going into Echo Park and going, I want to be in that lineup in the back of the bookstore where everybody's drinking coffee and everyone has BLM in their profile picture, but their parents both work at Goldman Sachs. | ||
| I'm not saying I want to be on that lineup. | ||
| Those are the people that are pointing at the store and the improv and the seller of this and that and going, this is unfair, this doesn't work. | ||
| Also, those people that are on that lineup, they were getting robbed. | ||
| A lot of those people were doing shows like for the UCB where they were getting no money. | ||
| They get no money because they're paid in accolades and handshakes and backpats and exposure. | ||
| Meanwhile, they're selling tickets. | ||
| Yeah, they're paid in exposure. | ||
| But they're selling tickets. | ||
| I know. | ||
| They're paying people that work there, but the only people that don't get paid are the comics themselves. | ||
| Well, you know, it's what happened. | ||
| The hipster thing, that era of comedy died hard. | ||
| And it died hard because they didn't talk about anything real. | ||
| They talked about everything was a literary reference, usually an arcane literary reference. | ||
| And it was very uncomfortable to bring up anything real. | ||
| And then I think during the Obama administration, that was fun. | ||
| It was like, great, everyone can ride unicycles and dress like train conductors from the... | ||
| You know, 1920s. | ||
| And then, like, what happened was as soon as Trump happened, it was a hard stop. | ||
| And then that era of comedy died because they were like, uh-oh, we're white. | ||
| We're the enemy. | ||
| And it's all these rich kids that went to NYU. And all of a sudden, like, they had to talk about real stuff. | ||
| They completely didn't know how to do it. | ||
| They were completely ill-prepared to do it because everything had been, like, bullshit forever. | ||
| And then it just became all about politics. | ||
| And it's just like now you go to those shows and people just sit there and Somebody goes up and makes a point they agree with and they clap. | ||
| I mean, it's become completely, you know, political. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| I mean, hey, it's like, listen, I would never say don't have it happen. | ||
| I would never be like, it's wrong. | ||
| I don't think it's funny. | ||
| But hey, whoever enjoys that, which my argument is that no one really does, they feel like they have to. | ||
| You don't think that people enjoyed Hannah Gadsby? | ||
| I think they enjoyed the idea of it. | ||
| There was an idea that came along with it. | ||
| It wasn't just head against me. | ||
| It was an idea that came along with it that people really subscribed to. | ||
| And if you enjoyed it, God bless you, and that's great. | ||
| But I think it was a moment... | ||
| Where it's like, finally, someone can tell the truth. | ||
| I mean, the entire special had a very big political overtone, which is like, I'm here to tell people... | ||
| You know, my truth, and she made a lot of statements about comedy, and she goes, this is what comedy has been for straight white men who rape, and now I am here. | ||
| That was pretty much, that was the argument. | ||
| That was the idea. | ||
| Comedy was for straight white rapists, and now I'm here to say that the game has changed. | ||
| And so people like that idea. | ||
| I think she thought the game had changed for a while. | ||
| I think the initial success was like- And we also know that there's people in comedy that are very bad and abusive, but it doesn't mean that this is hot. | ||
| No, it's insane. | ||
| But in the beginning, I think when things caught on, I think it was this thing that happens to people when they become very successful, very quickly, is that all of a sudden they assume some sort of a role of being an arbiter of what's good and what's bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know that thing that happens where they just decide what, in terms of the art form. | ||
| Like, this is what's gonna happen now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there was a statement that she had made about Louis C.K., about something about how she was gonna come, you know, like if he came back then her work was not done. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah, well that's why people like me, I didn't care about the special, but I was just like, this seems a little much. | ||
| I would say, I'd be like, this seems a little much. | ||
| I don't want to control what anyone watches or sees. | ||
| I get deeply skeptical of people that want to control. | ||
| When you want a lot of control, when you want to really either censor people or shame them into not watching, I get very, very nervous about that. | ||
| I'm very skeptical of all those people. | ||
| They're scary to me. | ||
| Well, the way you and I became friends was you had a post about Louis CK, and I reached out to you because I think you were dead right. | ||
| You were saying that there's some legitimate criticisms of what he did, but there was also some people that were jumping on board because they were marginally talented at best, and they were seeing this as an opportunity to use what's happening to him to gain- This is how they can compete. | ||
| We all want to structure the world in a way that we can compete. | ||
| And I think they look at people on stage killing and go, I can't do that. | ||
| And then when the Louis story happened, they said, well, yes, fuck him. | ||
| He was never funny. | ||
| And the benefit of that is if Louis was never funny, well, then if you knock him off, then the standard is different, right? | ||
| Because we all were in agreement that he's one of the greats. | ||
| So if you get rid of all of those people and say, well, they're just there because they're white men. | ||
| Then the standard of the art can actually be just debased so that anybody can get involved. | ||
| I mean, that's just what it is and I think that's what I saw happening where a lot of people that were going, hey, and they like comfort and they hate risk And that's why a lot of what they do is mediocre. | ||
| And that's what I put in the post. | ||
| They always work. | ||
| All these people that are angry always work. | ||
| They're always in a writer's room. | ||
| They're always somewhere. | ||
| Very few of them have nothing. | ||
| But they don't get the recognition they think they deserve. | ||
| Because they don't take the risks. | ||
| They never become great. | ||
| They never try to get great. | ||
| They don't have it in them. | ||
| They like sidelines. | ||
| They like the bench. | ||
| And they like to sit there. | ||
| And they hate the people that are out playing. | ||
| And it's just, they're always angry. | ||
| There's always a little anger that's... | ||
| And then when something happens, like what happened to Louis, then they feel like, okay, it's safe for that anger to bubble up to the surface. | ||
| What made me furious was... | ||
| That bothered me, and I agreed with you on that, but what made me furious was when his leaked set came out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And comics that were... | ||
| Mediocre. | ||
| Mediocre comics. | ||
| We're talking about how horrible the set was and how terrible a person he was for joking about those things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was like, where were you during all of his specials? | ||
| One of my favorite things was a tweet. | ||
| During Curb Your Enthusiasm, it was the same thing where they said, you know, the latest season of Curb, they go, it just doesn't feel like a white guy complaining about all these little meaningless things. | ||
| It just doesn't hit the same way. | ||
| And I'm like, so it was funny during the Iraq War? | ||
| Was it funny during Abu Ghraib? | ||
| Was it funny during Guantanamo? | ||
| It's really just these people feel like it's safe now. | ||
| To say that. | ||
| To say that and to pile on, which is why they're not successful, because if they said things that were unsafe, that their whole, you know, the way that their brain works, if they weren't constantly looking for a safe harbor, they might actually do something good. | ||
| They might take a chance. | ||
| They might take a chance. | ||
| Yeah, the attacks on Louis, particularly after he had gone from 10 months of not doing stand-up to doing one set, right? | ||
| So he literally, this is his first setback. | ||
| Someone records his first setback, and in that he has jokes about school shootings, he's got jokes about other things that people think are inappropriate, but you go back and listen to his old specials. | ||
| That was his whole fucking act. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| His part of what he does, which is hilarious, is say shit you're not supposed to say. | ||
| And he doesn't necessarily even mean what he's saying. | ||
| He's saying it because it's a crazy thing to say, and because there's a craft to it, and he's saying these crazy things in a very fun way. | ||
| Do you think he really thinks that the reason why these guys are talking is because they push some other kid in front of the gunman? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's saying it because it's a fucked up thing to say. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And when you're drinking and you're at a comedy club and someone says something like that, you're like, ah! | ||
| You're not drinking, you're fucking sober. | ||
| You're there to see comedy. | ||
| You're in this sort of environment where you're laughing at shit that's fucked up. | ||
| And then he says something like that. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| And it is perfectly in line with his entire career. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a surprise. | ||
| So to hear people that were praising him as brilliant and a genius up to the point where he got in trouble for jerking off in front of women, now saying that he's a monster and that he's alt-right and he's a piece of shit and that he has no heart and he's a hack, I was furious. | ||
| And to this day, I refuse to talk to a lot of those people. | ||
| Well, yeah, but those people are on a team, right? | ||
| And they look at each other and they go, is it time? | ||
| And it's like, again, it's that- It's team mediocre. | ||
| It's a strategy. | ||
| It's a strategy. | ||
| It's a way to get in. | ||
| It's a way to get in, and all these people that are supposedly revolutionaries, they rely on the most antiquated form of the entertainment business, which is working for multinational conglomerates. | ||
| I mean, they work for large corporations. | ||
| They're told what to say. | ||
| Everything's vetted against sales, standards of practices, advertising. | ||
| It is the most antiquated way to put any content out, and yet they are dependent entirely on that system 100%, all the while Saying that a guy like you, you're the problem because you have a podcast where you broadcast directly to your fans. | ||
| And they have these... | ||
| Somehow they're not the powerful ones. | ||
| Somehow they're not the powerful ones even though they work for NBC, ABC, Viacom. | ||
| These massive corporations and yet somehow... | ||
| They are always looking at the power differential going, oh, those guys are podcasting this and that, the other thing. | ||
| We're not oppressing anybody. | ||
| I don't care what anyone does. | ||
| Not only are we not oppressing anybody, it's one of the best industries you could ever possibly describe. | ||
| If you wanted to have a discussion of an industry where the people involved in it wholeheartedly support the other people involved in it, with no financial benefit whatsoever. | ||
| Other than like you know abstract, but yeah, you think about the way comics who or even people that just have pod like Lex Have each other on each other's podcast discuss each other talk about great stuff. | ||
| They saw yeah, I can't talk about people's good stuff enough I I love when people do good work. | ||
| I love when people do great comics. | ||
| I love when people do great discussions on podcasts. | ||
| I love great authors. | ||
| I love things that are interesting to me. | ||
| And I can't wait to talk about them. | ||
| I love talking about them. | ||
| I don't want to talk about them specifically because it's going to benefit me. | ||
| I want to benefit them. | ||
| Well, you saw potential early on in this. | ||
| You saw potential in the UFC. You see it in Austin. | ||
| You are good early. | ||
| Most people don't get it until it's too late. | ||
| Well, I have brain damage. | ||
| And because of that, I'm a risk taker. | ||
| I'm one of those guys that's willing to jump. | ||
| I'm like, I think I can make it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's jump. | ||
| And I think a lot of people... | ||
| Are so adverse to taking those types of risks that they end up hating those who do. | ||
| Well, I think I have just enough brain damage. | ||
| I have like a mild amount. | ||
| So it just makes... | ||
| I get thrilled by chances and risks. | ||
| But that's not even... | ||
| It's also... | ||
| There was no strategy involved in doing this podcast. | ||
| It was simply done because it's something I enjoy doing. | ||
| So as I did it, I just kept enjoying doing it. | ||
| And one of the things that I liked about it was like, hey, go see this guy. | ||
| He's fucking hilarious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Go see her movie. | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| Go read this book. | ||
| I love telling people about shit that I thought was cool. | ||
| And it's also content. | ||
| It's a good thing to talk about. | ||
| You need things to talk about. | ||
| Why not kill two birds with one stone? | ||
| You help people that you think are good and talented, and then you also entertain people at the same time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's the reason that you have the people that don't like you. | ||
| It's because, you know, that's what it is. | ||
| It's like you actually did it and you don't rely on it. | ||
| You don't need anybody. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| All the people that are angry, they're resentful that they need to feel a certain way about things publicly. | ||
| They don't like that. | ||
| People... | ||
| I think in their soul, they make all these allowances, but they don't want to be owned. | ||
| Down deep, they don't like being owned, and you're not owned, and a lot of them are, and that's where a lot of the hostility comes from. | ||
| Because even though they've disguised being owned and altruism, and they're great, and they're this and that, at the end of the day, I think people genuinely don't like that feeling, and a lot of people that we know experience that feeling all the time. | ||
| Well, you see when people get fired for some of the most innocuous things. | ||
| Here's a perfect example. | ||
| Gina Carano getting fired from the Star Wars franchise because she equated people... | ||
| How exactly did she do it? | ||
| It wasn't the best analogy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| She's saying it was Nazi Germany. | ||
| People are afraid to share their opinions like Jews in Nazi Germany. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| She was saying it about how we look at people that are on the opposite perspective politically as if they're the other, and that this is a dangerous thing. | ||
| And she equated it to Nazi Germany. | ||
| I might be paraphrasing this terribly, but see if we can find out exactly what she said. | ||
| We'll find out what she said. | ||
| Anytime you equate anything with Nazi Germany, you're in a landmine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You stepped on a minefield. | ||
| It's not a great comparison. | ||
| Unless you're literally talking about someone who's trying to take over a country and do something horrific. | ||
| Unless you're talking about Donald Trump, which people got away with for many years. | ||
| Yes, constantly. | ||
| But because she is somewhat conservative, although I don't believe she's socially conservative at all, which is like a lot of people. | ||
| Know anything about her, yeah. | ||
| She's a very nice lady. | ||
| Gina Carano's a very nice lady. | ||
| And she's also an amazing fighter. | ||
| She was one of the top women mixed martial arts pioneers ever. | ||
| Well, they're gonna make movies, her and Ben Shapiro, right? | ||
| At the Daily Wire or something? | ||
| They're like making films now. | ||
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Right? | |
| They're making a film. | ||
| They're gonna do something where it's like... | ||
| I think one of their movies was like there was a school shooting happening and then like some girl shows up with a gun like Laura Croft in Tomb Raider and just kills a school shooter. | ||
| It was like a pro-gun movie. | ||
| For real? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're doing stuff like that. | ||
| But hey. | ||
| That's legit? | ||
| Whatever they want. | ||
| Is that really the plot? | ||
| That's exactly the plot. | ||
| Yeah, it's some girl who learned how to use guns so she's like, I'll stop this. | ||
| So it's a little politically motivated, just a bit. | ||
| Well, a lot of movies are politically motivated, right? | ||
| Like hero movies. | ||
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The tweets are like deleted, so I could find the text of them. | |
| Nevertheless, her social media post denigrating people based on their... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| We need to find out that... | ||
| I'm sure someone's... | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
| The actor continues to say, scroll down low, it goes, okay, so Carano fell under heavy criticism after she posted that Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children. | ||
| The actor continues to say, because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. | ||
| How is that any different from hating someone for their political views? | ||
| I see what she's trying to say. | ||
| I see what she's trying to say because there are people that absolutely do hate conservatives and they're of the opinion that some conservatives and Trump supporters... | ||
| They should be. | ||
| You can use violence against it. | ||
| Yeah, I completely understand that. | ||
| So she got fired for that. | ||
| First of all, things in print, it's an inherently shitty way to express something controversial when you're talking about something that's contemporary. | ||
| When you're talking about something that's going on right now. | ||
| Because... | ||
| It's so open to interpretation. | ||
| So many people can form, like, I don't like how you said this, because I think she meant this, or I think she meant that. | ||
| The best way to express something like that, ironically, is like this, in a conversation. | ||
| So if she was talking to someone, and she was saying... | ||
| There was context. | ||
| Like, if she was having this conversation with us, and she was saying, you know, in Nazi Germany, they got their neighbors to hate them first. | ||
| And think about how they're getting neighbors to hate people now for being conservative. | ||
| But again, when it comes to something like the Disney Channel or this or, you know, when it comes to her getting fired, they're probably looking for a way to get rid of her anyway because she was already saying some controversial shit. | ||
| And I think she fits right in with, like, whatever Ben Shapiro's trying to do. | ||
| Well, I don't think he was trying to do anything before this. | ||
| I don't think he was considering me. | ||
| They're like a movie studio. | ||
| They were? | ||
| They are. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Now. | ||
| But was this happening before Gina, or did they just decide to go for it after she got fired? | ||
| Who were they? | ||
| Are they the Daily Caller or the Daily Wire? | ||
| Daily Wire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| Tucker Carlson's is the Daily Caller. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Did they decide to get into the movie business? | ||
| Find out if they decided to get into the movie business after the Gina Carano thing. | ||
| I think they were also like, they just need a place to make conservative movies. | ||
| I think that's part of what they were trying to do. | ||
| There's so few openly conservative actors. | ||
| Chris Pratt might be the only guy that I can think of who does really well. | ||
| You could just make films with Jon Voight. | ||
| Every movie could be just John Voight. | ||
| He's over the deep end. | ||
| And Gina Carano. | ||
| And James Woods. | ||
| James Woods. | ||
| James Woods, John Voight, Gina Carano. | ||
| James Woods is a great example. | ||
| That's a guy who is, in my opinion, great actor. | ||
| He's an all-time great. | ||
| He's a phenomenal actor. | ||
| He's been in so many fucking great movies. | ||
| But now, he's known more as a conservative social media commentator than anything. | ||
| Well, he's online. | ||
| He loves it. | ||
| Oh my god, he's on there all day long. | ||
| He likes getting involved. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently he's already made a movie. | ||
| They already made a movie? | ||
| It came out in January. | ||
| Yeah, this is the one I'm telling you about. | ||
| Run, hide, fight. | ||
| She was trained by her dad to be a... | ||
| And then she stops the school shooting by... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's completely insane. | ||
| But this is not a Gina Carano movie. | ||
| No, it's a Daily Wire movie. | ||
| Is this supposed to be any good? | ||
| Man, if you're going to do a movie like this... | ||
| I'm going to say no. | ||
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No. | |
| But if you're gonna do a movie like this, it would be fucking amazing if you did a movie like this and really nailed it. | ||
| Like, really nailed it. | ||
| Yeah, this is not... | ||
| I'm already saying that this was not nailed. | ||
| What does it have there? | ||
| Rotten Tomatoes, 42%. | ||
| Listen, go check out Adam Sandler's movie. | ||
| Yeah, but 6.5 on IMDB. 17-year-old Zoe Hall uses her wit, survival skills, and compassion to fight for her life and those of her fellow classmates against a group of live streaming school shooters. | ||
| I mean, can we stop? | ||
| Do we have to lather it on? | ||
| It's thick. | ||
| I get what you're trying to do. | ||
| Just take it back a little. | ||
| Disguise it a bit. | ||
| Bury the narrative. | ||
| We'll get it. | ||
| It's just a little... | ||
| We're laying it on thick now. | ||
| You know, it's a little too much, you know? | ||
| But I think they're trying to counter the liberal narrative. | ||
| Yes, but they're doing it in a weird way. | ||
| First of all, so there's a woman who is a sharpshooter who then kills all these school shooters. | ||
| It's like, we're jumping through a lot of hoops. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if it was really good? | ||
| If it was a Robert Rodriguez movie? | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| The left-wing shit sucks, so does the right-wing shit. | ||
| Because as soon as you start going, here's the point I want to make, then it's all going to be garbage. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Instead of just making an awesome movie. | ||
| Just make a great movie. | ||
| They're like, we want to show people that kids should be trained in weapons so they can go to school and fight the school shooter. | ||
| And the left, when they're making certain God only knows things that they're doing, are going, we just want to show people that this is the right thing to do. | ||
| So I think it's just, it's got to actually be. | ||
| Now, the reason the left is better at it is they've been doing it for a lot longer. | ||
| I think the Daily Wire only distributed this. | ||
| I don't think they made it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Just for like, that kind of matters a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Clint Eastwood is the best example. | ||
| I was just thinking. | ||
| He's the best example of a conservative filmmaker that's respected. | ||
| I mean, that guy made The Unforgiven, which is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. | ||
| Clint Eastwood is a massive talent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Massive. | ||
| Massive town. | ||
| And very, very conservative. | ||
| Deeply. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's probably the best example of a conservative filmmaker. | ||
| He's excelled in Hollywood. | ||
| What's the last thing he made? | ||
| I know he made Gran Torino, but has he done anything since? | ||
| Yeah, he did something real recently. | ||
| Like, last two years. | ||
| Gran Torino, I want to say was like five or six years ago, right? | ||
| Didn't he do something? | ||
| Yeah, no, he did. | ||
| I can't remember, so I'm looking. | ||
| Mm. | ||
| But I mean, that guy, I mean, he was a massive... | ||
| Yeah, he did the 1517 of Paris, The Mule, and that Richard Jewell movie, I think, was the most... | ||
| That's right, the Richard Jewell movie. | ||
| But he was a massive star before politics mattered. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Like, we didn't know... | ||
| I mean, Sean Connery's arguably very conservative. | ||
| He was a giant movie star. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| There was a lot of... | ||
| I mean, there's that famous Barbara Walters in it who was talking about smacking women. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sometimes you need a smack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Sometimes we give them their points and it's not enough. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And they just want to keep growing and growing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would not go over today. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I mean, I think it's just gotta, people gotta just make good stuff. | ||
| But now it's all, all these studios are funded by Chinese dark money. | ||
| All of these things are just, they're just making these Marvel things. | ||
| There's never, nothing good's coming. | ||
| I mean, truly nothing good is coming. | ||
| That John Cena apology was one of the darkest moments in movie making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you realize that this guy's not apologizing for something that was really horrible that he did. | ||
| No. | ||
| He didn't get drunk and run into a family with his car. | ||
| No, because China's the biggest market for these pictures. | ||
| He apologized for recognizing Taiwan as a nation. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| And he was saying, I'm so sorry. | ||
| I'm so sorry. | ||
| I was really tired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's doing it in Mandarin. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| I mean, if you're going to work, you better learn Mandarin. | ||
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You know, in certain arenas. | |
| Vince McMahon was brilliant. | ||
| He talked John Cena into learning Mandarin and like, what did we say, like 2014 or some shit like that? | ||
| It's really pretty genius stuff. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But that's just one of many indications that the deep interest that China has in movie making... | ||
| It's very difficult for them to avoid that grasp because financially it was so big. | ||
| Opening weekend, that movie, Fast and the Furious 9, I want to say it's in the neighborhood of $160 million opening weekend, 134 of which came from China. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Well, if you get Megan McKinnon, I'll apologize to her in Mandarin for what I've done. | ||
| Give me a taste of that. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| I can't speak any Chinese. | ||
| I'm so bad at it. | ||
| Is that racist to do that? | ||
| To imitate a sound? | ||
| Yeah, but I don't have a deal with Disney. | ||
| What if they came along? | ||
| What if they tried to co-opt you? | ||
| I would tell them it's a mistake. | ||
| I would say as someone who has a rudimentary understanding of business, this is a very large mistake you're about to make. | ||
| This is not going to pay off. | ||
| It's not going to pay off. | ||
| There's not enough wiggle room. | ||
| I just like the freedom. | ||
| I like the freedom. | ||
| I like the live shows. | ||
| I like the podcasts. | ||
| I'd like to do other things. | ||
| If the world was different, I would love to make a movie or something because there's no funny movies being made right now. | ||
| There's not a ton of them. | ||
| Not a ton of them. | ||
| But that's a thing where that's a brutal process. | ||
| I watched Superbad the other day and I was like, good luck making that movie today. | ||
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Good luck. | |
| Good luck. | ||
| It'd be so fucking hard to make. | ||
| It'd be tough. | ||
| You would have to deal with your own money and you'd have to take a big risk and people would get angry at you. | ||
| Well that's the whole thing. | ||
| I think ultimately if you have enough money you create things and you distribute them. | ||
| The thing is distribution. | ||
| So if you can make something and then distribute it and make your money back and then profit enough to pay people, then you could do it. | ||
| But no one's figured it out yet, really. | ||
| Ultimately, all of this censorship, either self-censorship or actual corporate censorship, is in some ways, it's really good for what we do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because there's a hunger for people that say wild shit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I have to say, before we end this because I really have to pee really bad. | ||
| You were on fucking fire the other night at the Vulcan. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You were on a whole other level. | ||
| It was really cool to see you. | ||
| I did a lot of stand-up during the pandemic, which I know people will call me a murderer for. | ||
| We did it safely, but I'm excited about going out on the road and seeing people, and I appreciate you having me. | ||
| When the club happens, I have... | ||
| I have a love-hate here with Austin, Texas. | ||
| It's a little bit of an adjustment, but I know you believe in it strongly. | ||
| I love it here. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| I'm going to make you love it here. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We'll bring you in whenever you want. | ||
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You don't have to stay here. | |
| I just got to get that apartment in Beverly Hills. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| And I'll have the house here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then we're going to get you to love LA again. | ||
| I'm thinking about actually buying a place in Beverly Hills. | ||
| I was thinking about doing something where I could just jet over the store occasionally. | ||
| But here's the best way that this works out. | ||
| I might buy Ron White's house. | ||
| Here's the best way that this works out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You buy me a home in Beverly Hills, and then you come and stay whenever. | ||
| Let's talk about this. | ||
| That makes a lot of sense. | ||
| I'm going to pee my pants, so we have to wrap this up. | ||
| Tim Dillon, you're the best. | ||
| I fucking love you. | ||
| Tim Dillon Comedy, if you care. | ||
| Tim Dillon Show. | ||
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Goodbye. | |
| Yes. |
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