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May 14, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1652 - Anthony Cumia
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anthony cumia
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
joe rogan
Train by day.
anthony cumia
Joe Rogan Podcast by night.
unidentified
All day.
joe rogan
Young Anthony Cumia, my friend, good to see you.
anthony cumia
Everyone calls me that.
Young Anthony Cumia.
joe rogan
Well, he's young Jamie, so you must be young Anthony.
Dude, there is not a fucking show on earth that inspired me to do a podcast more than Opie and Anthony.
anthony cumia
I love hearing that.
To be part of the cycle that you went through in your head to build this empire that you now have, I'm honored.
joe rogan
It's 100% true, and it's not just that, it's also you when you were doing Live from the Compound, when you were doing it from your house, in the basement, with a machine gun singing karaoke, with a green screen behind you.
I was like, he's having so much fun.
Jamie, do we have a bottle opener?
No.
I thought this was a regular one.
Is it?
anthony cumia
I can open a bottle with anything, by the way.
joe rogan
I can open with a lighter.
I can do that.
anthony cumia
Yeah, lighter.
My dad taught me with a belt buckle when I was out in California, learning to be a man under my father's tutelage.
joe rogan
This is from Phil's buddy.
What was Phil's buddy's name?
The guy that Phil Demers...
His buddy, who's like a big-time beer freak, you gotta try some of this.
It's very interesting.
It's beer, but it does not taste like regular beer, but it's very good.
unidentified
And I slum it all the time with just buds.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean...
anthony cumia
People are like, oh, bud wise.
Nothing better.
You could pound a case of buds sitting out by the pool.
But then occasionally...
joe rogan
Cheers.
anthony cumia
Try something else.
Cheers, Joe.
Good to see you.
Good to be in Austin.
joe rogan
Good to be here.
Weird, right?
anthony cumia
Definitely a lemony thing going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's got a lemon on the cover.
anthony cumia
A lot of lemon, wow.
joe rogan
It's called foos.
anthony cumia
This really pinches the back of your tongue.
joe rogan
Yeah, it says wheat beer with peaches.
Oh, it's a peach.
anthony cumia
Oh, there's a peach in there, too?
joe rogan
It looks like a lemon.
anthony cumia
It tastes like a lemon.
joe rogan
I guess it looks like a heart with a leaf.
anthony cumia
That ain't bad.
joe rogan
Good stuff.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
I always have to think, whatever I'm putting in me, alcohol-wise, what'll that taste like coming out?
And this would probably hurt.
A lot of heartburn.
joe rogan
You think?
If you were throwing it up?
anthony cumia
If you're throwing it up.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think it'd be pretty smooth.
It's not that bad.
anthony cumia
Shouldn't you not throw up from drinking after, like, 40?
joe rogan
You shouldn't, but you're probably going to occasionally.
It comes with the territory.
It depends on how deep you go.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
You're not going as deep as you are in your 20s.
joe rogan
Sometimes you want to throw up, right?
Sometimes you get back to your house and you're just like, let me just get this out of me.
unidentified
You do the finger thing?
joe rogan
Just so you feel better.
Just so you can sleep.
anthony cumia
And it's funny, if you got a girl in the house, you have to, you think you're being quiet, but there's no being quiet when you're, especially that dry heat sound, that...
joe rogan
Into an echo chamber, a porcelain echo.
anthony cumia
It's like the old Victrola speaker is just pumping out your groans.
joe rogan
So we were talking before this podcast started that you, when you left Opie and Anthony, you went and decided to do your own thing behind a paywall.
So you're like in this position, you're sort of uncancellable.
You don't have all the trappings That everybody else has in terms of like sponsors and people coming after you.
You just have subscribers.
anthony cumia
Yeah, this was a conscious decision because I saw it coming a while ago, the what they call cancel culture thing.
joe rogan
When you guys get hit with it, First, out of all the people that I've ever heard of, because when you guys had that homeless person on who said he wanted to, what did he say, he wanted to rape Condoleezza Rice?
anthony cumia
Condoleezza Rice and the Queen of England and the First Lady.
I gotta say something about that, though.
We had just gotten to satellite radio from FM radio, and to us, this was like, all right, it opens up a whole new world of what we can do.
So I thought, what...
What better place to just showcase a homeless person?
Let's see what rantings and ramblings come out of a homeless person's mind.
So bring him up in the studio, put him in front of a mic, and let him go off.
It's satellite.
No FCC rules and regs.
And the guy starts talking about crazy stuff and raping political figures and the Queen of England.
And we think it's hilarious.
Because you're getting that insight.
You're getting into the mind of a crazy homeless guy on the street.
And the shit hits the fan.
Oh my god, Condoleezza Rice that brings the sex thing in and the race thing and all that.
And they lost their mind.
And we were like, oh shit, we're getting fired again?
Like, we're gonna get fired for this.
joe rogan
What happened?
You didn't get fired, but you guys got suspended for how long?
anthony cumia
We got suspended for, I think it was a month.
I think that was a month's suspension from satellite radio, but we were still at K-Rock in New York doing that show in the morning, because we used to do both.
joe rogan
Yeah, we used to go across with the microphones.
anthony cumia
I did that with you guys.
We did the walkover.
joe rogan
We would do terrestrial, and then we would broadcast live as we were walking down New York City with mics and comics, and we would go to the other studios.
anthony cumia
Yeah, we would do things occasionally, like Rich Voss would go into a diner or something and just start doing stand-up in front of the customers.
It was hilarious.
joe rogan
Cringe stand-up.
anthony cumia
Cringe stand-up.
These people don't know what's happening, and stupid big Club Soda Kenny would announce them.
Ladies and gentlemen, they're looking like a mass shooting is going to start.
And it was hilarious.
joe rogan
You guys were the birth of podcasts.
anthony cumia
It was a podcast on the radio.
We didn't know it at the time.
joe rogan
Nobody knew what a podcast was.
anthony cumia
But it was a bunch of guys that you find funny, you like hanging out with, talking about anything.
And that seems to be what the formula is.
joe rogan
You guys figured it out first because every other radio show that I did, like if I did Stern or anything else you did, it was very formatted.
anthony cumia
Regimented, yeah, timed.
joe rogan
Like, he had some things you want to talk, he wanted to talk to me about Fear Factor, he wanted to talk to me about the UFC, he had questions about this, and, you know, it's always like, and then you have a call in, and then you have celebrity guests, and he had it all, like, very smooth.
You guys would just bring a bunch of people in, and then Patrice would start talking, and Burr would start talking, and Ari would start talking, and it was just chaos.
And we were all just having fun.
anthony cumia
Just having fun.
When you have a room of those guys, Nick DiPaolo and Patrice, God rest his soul, and Bill Burr, Norton, all these guys, Colin Quinn, they're all in a room.
You can't lose.
People will hear it and say, holy shit, that was one of the funniest shows.
And it's like, what show?
The Opie and Anthony show.
So people remember the name of the show, but all these other guys are delivering this amazing, funny comedy.
So it worked that way.
And we embraced that and just started bringing these comics back on in different combinations.
Because you know better than anyone, some of the funniest stuff you'll ever hear...
Are guys shitting on each other?
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
And when someone was in, we called it being in the barrel.
And that could consist of wearing a shirt.
You come in wearing a shirt and Patrice goes, what the fuck?
What kind of shirt is that you wear?
Where the fuck you get...
And now everyone's on your shirt.
Now you're sitting there going – you're looking at all the comics going, what can I use to get this off me?
So you'd have to shit on Voss's teeth or – Right, always.
So it was this constant battle to get – The shit off of you.
And it was funny every fucking time.
joe rogan
And you guys were so great at letting the comics just go wild and not put any restrictions on anybody and not try to control the conversation.
Just let it have fun.
Just let it breathe.
anthony cumia
A lot of shows.
A lot of hosts.
And this is something you do that is fantastic and rare in the business.
Let your guests talk.
Let them, and if you have a guest, a room full of guests, let them have fun.
If you hear funny shit going on, a lot of people, their ego gets in the way.
Yeah.
And they feel, "Hey, it's my show.
My name's on the marquee.
I have to jump in and say something." If something funny is happening, back off.
Leave it the fuck alone.
It's going to be great.
People are going to love it.
And they're going to go, oh, that was on the Opie and Anthony show.
So it doesn't really matter who's saying it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you guys had figured it out.
It really is the birth of podcasts.
And I learned a lot from doing that show.
And I also learned that I wanted to do it.
Because when I would do your show, I was like, God, I want to do a show like this.
I want to do something like this.
Because when I did regular radio, if I did on tour, I would say, oh, that may be fun to do a regular radio show.
But then I would be like, they will never hire me.
I will say something stupid.
I'll get fired.
This is not going to work out for me.
But I'd do your show, and I'd be like, huh.
I'd be like, I think I can do this.
anthony cumia
No, this I think I can do.
joe rogan
I think I can do this.
anthony cumia
I was paranoid because I never went to school for radio.
I was in construction until my early to mid-30s, dude.
I got into radio late.
And my impression was always, if I didn't know the alloy of the metal in the transmitter antenna, there's no way you're getting into radio.
Like, I thought you had to know all the shit that they taught you in radio school.
And the fact of the matter was, these jocks were constantly looking for somebody that was entertaining.
I never realized how desperate a lot of these jocks are for somebody that could make people laugh.
joe rogan
Someone with varied interests, too.
Someone who was interesting, who could talk about different things.
anthony cumia
Talk about a lot of different things.
Sometimes you've got to talk out your ass like you almost kind of know what it's about.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
But the other thing about, like, what you guys did was you created a safe place for men.
Like, where you could just be a fucking idiot.
anthony cumia
One of the last bastions of...
joe rogan
But that's the thing.
It's like, there's a lot of men out there, but there's not a lot of entertainment that's geared towards men.
And one of the things that comes up on my podcast when the advertising people get to talk and they're like, Jesus Christ, he's got like 94% men.
Like, what is going on here?
This is crazy.
I'm like...
They're not represented.
Men are not represented.
It's like, I don't know what the number is of regular television, but it's not geared towards men.
anthony cumia
No, not at all.
joe rogan
There's like The Talk and The View, and there's a lot of these shows that are geared towards women, but it turns like a man show.
You can't have a male-oriented show on network television.
It would be toxic.
anthony cumia
It's a personal affront to feminism and women.
Regardless, it's just men being men.
joe rogan
This is weird, right?
anthony cumia
I don't know where this idea came from that in the past even couple of decades, which relative to a tortoise or a mayfly, it varies how long a period of time that is.
In that period of time, we as humans were supposed to have physically and mentally evolved to this point where men don't still want to talk about tits and cars and lifestyle stuff and bash each other guns, of course.
I think there are people that actually think we have evolved out of that.
Instead of being brainwashed.
unidentified
You know why?
joe rogan
Because there's a lot of men that are henpecked and they work in some terrible job where human resources is breathing down their neck and they have neutered themselves and they put themselves in this position of like this sort of like non-man.
anthony cumia
Yes, non-man.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then because of that they chastise other free men.
Like, look at this, this is toxic masculinity in its finest form.
And they say all these crazy things like...
You're not free.
It's also equated somehow or another with cruelty, with being a bad person, with being a shitty person, just by joking around or talking about the things that we like to talk about.
anthony cumia
Yeah, I hear punching down a lot is a bad thing.
joe rogan
That was your whole show.
anthony cumia
Yeah, that was the entire show.
The entire 20-year history of the Opie and Anthony show.
There was never a punch that got past the 180-degree mark.
joe rogan
You guys don't get enough credit.
I say it every time I can that you were the inspiration for podcasts, without a doubt.
anthony cumia
It really is.
I think for what Howard did for the shock jock genre in radio, we kind of were right at that precipice of radio and podcast when that happened.
And I think what we were doing was better suited to a podcast than it was a radio show.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so, too.
But it was a great radio show, too, though.
anthony cumia
Yeah, but it was a great radio show.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
The problem is the suits.
The problem was not the content.
unidentified
Always.
joe rogan
The problem was the suits.
The problem is people go, hey, hey, hey, you can't.
This is not...
Like, meanwhile, did you just see what happened?
Everyone was crying, laughing.
That's entertainment.
anthony cumia
Yeah, that's what they want.
It got to a point where early on, even when I got in, which was, again, late in the game, but early on in the 80s and 90s, all they gave a shit about were ratings.
If you had ratings and you did something stupid, you'd get this...
Slap on the wrist in public and behind the door with the GM and the PD and all the other management people, they'd be like, oh my god, that was great.
Great job.
Oh, look, take off a week paid.
We'll say you're suspended and that's it.
They really did this.
And we went through a few of those.
And it turned into they really did get mad.
And they really started suspending you without pay and firing you.
And these were these suits, like you say, That just didn't understand the talent end of the business anymore.
And when radio stations were owned by mom-and-pop operations, we were at WAF up in Massachusetts, and it was owned by Zappos Communications.
I met Zappos.
I met the guy.
When we went to Infinity Broadcasting, there was no Mr. Infinity.
There was Mel Karmazin, and there was all the suits from CBS. It got big.
joe rogan
It got real big.
anthony cumia
And CBS has affiliates, and they also deal in laundry detergent with this subsidiary, and you say something, and baby diapers don't sell.
That's when it got really fucked up, and personalities weren't able to do what they do anymore, because now you're fucking up their sales in the burger industry.
Zappus owned a fucking radio station, and he loved when his radio station got ratings.
That was all there was to it.
Now?
It's all a conglomerate of bullshit.
joe rogan
As things get big, when they get bigger, things generally get more complicated and you lose any freedom.
You lose any of the magic.
One of the best things that happened with this podcast, like in this weird journey from doing it in my spare bedroom to doing it in a weird studio to all the way to Spotify is...
This is the fucking show.
It's a skeleton crew.
I have a manager, and then there's some people that argue with her, and I don't pay attention.
I go, we all right?
I'm not listening.
So I'm never involved in meetings.
I don't have any conversations with advertisers.
I have no conversations with suits.
Spotify has never said a goddamn thing to me.
They're amazing.
anthony cumia
Isn't that great?
joe rogan
They're fucking great.
They don't say shit.
And I tested it, too, like when I brought Alex Jones on.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
I was like, let's see.
Let's see.
You guys talk a lot of shit.
Let's see.
anthony cumia
Fluoride!
Fluoride turns the frogs gay!
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
And you're like, oh, okay.
joe rogan
It wasn't fluoride?
unidentified
No.
anthony cumia
I think fluoride.
joe rogan
Some other stuff.
anthony cumia
It might be something else.
joe rogan
Well, it's the phthalates, right?
anthony cumia
Whatever it is, it's obviously the globalists.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
I love that guy.
joe rogan
That fucking guy is right way more than he's wrong.
anthony cumia
Oh my god, yes.
joe rogan
Way more, especially now when people are talking about actual microchips being injected into your arm to see if you have COVID-19.
He's like, I fucking told you, Joe Rogan.
anthony cumia
It sounded preposterous years ago when he was saying a lot of this stuff.
And as it all starts coming to fruition, you're like, wait, Alex Jones had it?
He was the guy that was saying all this?
But then other people have said he's thrown so much shit against the wall, something's got to stick.
joe rogan
That's true, too.
That's true, too.
But I think it's like, honestly, he's right 80% of the time.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
anthony cumia
Don't get me wrong, I adore the guy.
I sit in for his show.
I was doing every Thursday, I would do the last hour of his show.
I'd do a crossover with him, and then I had the InfoWars logo behind me, and I would do his show, and it was great!
It was fantastic!
I love the guy.
He's another guy that just has been cancelled, and has to just keep chugging along.
joe rogan
Tell you what, though, they have removed him from all social media and all that stuff, but he's still doing great.
His subscribers are very high, and His studio is two miles from here.
I've done his show.
We got hammered.
anthony cumia
Oh, I know.
I've seen.
joe rogan
Ridiculous.
Talked about interdimensional beings.
unidentified
Interdimensional beings.
joe rogan
I love the guy.
anthony cumia
When I see a video, if I see someone sends me a video, and I see Alex Jones peeking out of the top of that armored vehicle with a bullhorn, I'm like...
I am fucking watching this.
joe rogan
I've been to that armored thing.
He's got that thing out there.
He goes, yeah, we got this just in case it's protest.
Sometimes we go to a place and Antifa wants to come after us.
We just hide in this thing.
anthony cumia
It's hilarious.
Like, I think what mainstream media and the people, the powers that be, they have so many names in their dark little corners.
Yeah.
They discredit people.
That's a job, is to discredit people.
To put things out there, a preemptive strike of an idea or an opinion or a theory, so that when someone says it, people already go, oh, no, I heard that's bullshit already.
And that's a job.
That's a government agency and a job that purposefully discredits people that are getting a little too close to what's real.
joe rogan
Well, also, how about ideas?
Like, here's a big one.
The idea that this virus came from a lab in Wuhan.
That was so discredited.
There was an article in one of them liberal rags.
It was like, Joe Rogan promotes harmful lie about Wuhan lab being the source of this virus.
No, it is, mostly.
Most likely.
The source of the virus.
anthony cumia
Sure.
joe rogan
They don't know exactly, but there's no transitionary animal.
There's no animal that they can show it jumped from this to this to humans.
anthony cumia
No, so quickly and so efficiently.
joe rogan
I mean, you saw Rand Paul talking to Fauci about it.
anthony cumia
Oh, great.
joe rogan
The gain-of-function research conversation the other day.
anthony cumia
Yes, I love Rand Paul.
joe rogan
And the fact that he got him to sort of skirt around the truth.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
The way he was addressing those things.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
And he's like, look, you do fund that.
You fund it right here in America.
anthony cumia
By the way, Dr. Rand Paul.
joe rogan
Yes, that's why it helps.
anthony cumia
Which is a huge issue.
They hate that it's Dr. Rand Paul.
joe rogan
And that he actually knows what he's talking about.
anthony cumia
He knows what he's talking about!
joe rogan
He can argue the points.
He understands what gain-of-function research actually is, and he knows who the players involved are.
He knows the different organizations that are involved.
anthony cumia
Yeah, there are a few of these politicians that really do either they are so good at bullshitting the public or there's a few that really do seem to be behind the people and what they need and what they want and know how to talk about it.
I know one of the one of the rising stars and he's been in the business for years is Ted Cruz here in Texas.
Ted has come out after the Trump thing from going from this guy that people went, ah, Ted Cruz.
Now he's like, tough guy.
He gets up there, he starts interrogating these people.
joe rogan
When he was talking to them about censorship.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes, it was very good.
anthony cumia
It was.
joe rogan
He was very good at that.
anthony cumia
Now, do you think he's sincere or did he find a new act?
joe rogan
It's a hard sell.
anthony cumia
Yeah!
joe rogan
Because he got busted going to Cancun, and he said, I wasn't really going to Cancun, and I was just going to come right back, but it turned out his ticket was for five days later, and he's like, well, I'm back.
But meanwhile, you can be good sometimes.
You can be right about a lot of things, and I think that's what he is.
He's right about a lot of things.
Rand Paul, I agree with Way more than I think any other politician has been talking about this issue in specific.
anthony cumia
And he seems very sincere in what he's saying.
joe rogan
When he talked to Fauci, he's like, why do you have two masks on?
You've been vaccinated.
Isn't this theater?
Isn't this theater?
And you see Fauci going, I don't, this motherfucker's getting me right now.
anthony cumia
You're not supposed to say this.
joe rogan
Yeah, because that is what it is.
And Rand is also a guy who had COVID. You know?
anthony cumia
Yep.
joe rogan
The only thing I want to know why his neighbor attacked him before I fully get behind him.
anthony cumia
Isn't that weird?
There was no real answer to why his neighbor almost killed him.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Broke his lung.
Yeah.
Tackled him.
Snapped his rib.
I mean, what the fuck was going on there?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What did you say to your neighbor?
anthony cumia
Yeah, there were two sides to everything.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I would like to know both sides.
Obviously, his neighbor's wacky because he attacked him from behind and tackled him.
Jesus Christ.
anthony cumia
Any of those neighbor wars are always hilarious.
I remember...
Brewer would tell a story years ago about the pizza guy that lived near him.
And it's a great story.
It's way too long to even kind of amend here and tell you.
But he was a mental patient.
And Brewer had to deal with him.
And, you know, Brewer, he's not really into conflict like that.
But it's funny.
But I love those, especially now with the cameras everywhere.
Cameras being everywhere has changed our society.
And again, I don't know, for the good, like social media is terrible.
I've said for years it's one of the worst things that have happened to us as a people.
Maybe we shouldn't be able to share so many ideas with each other.
But cameras, have you noticed every crime that happens, they got eight different angles on it now?
joe rogan
It's weird.
anthony cumia
It's amazing.
I don't think there's anywhere you can go to kill someone anymore with that, unless, you know, you're in a national park somewhere.
But even then, you don't.
joe rogan
You were saying they caught that guy that did the mass shooting in Times Square?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah, they got that guy.
joe rogan
They got him on camera, right?
anthony cumia
A bunch of different security cameras.
And you'd think, like, these aren't good people that you look at the picture and go, oh, I know who that is, but I'm going to keep it cool.
Like, people are like, oh, yeah, I'm turning this guy in.
So it's very hard to not get caught.
And then he flees down to Florida, which has no mass rules.
Wouldn't you want to be where everyone can only see half their face?
Yeah, you'd want to go to LA. And they didn't defund the police.
The worst place you could go is Florida.
joe rogan
They actually refunded the police.
They extra-funded the police.
anthony cumia
Extra-funded.
He gave bonuses out.
Yeah, Santorum gave bonuses out.
joe rogan
DeSantis.
anthony cumia
DeSantis, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
DeSantis?
He could be the president.
anthony cumia
He really could.
People are getting on board here.
He's got a sane Trump vibe.
Like he's signing things in front of the press.
He'll hold it up like Trump did.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a Trump vibe at all because he's not bamboisterous.
Is that a word?
anthony cumia
It should be.
joe rogan
It should be.
It's not.
anthony cumia
Right what I'm saying.
It describes Trump.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's a word.
anthony cumia
Famboisterous.
joe rogan
It seems like it should be.
anthony cumia
But it's more of that in-your-face, unapologetic part.
joe rogan
He's unapologetic, but he's actually rational and calm.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And even when he talked about opening up Florida and everybody was criticizing him, he did it on a chart and he showed, we're going to protect our vulnerable.
And he says it calm and it's like an even keel when he has a conversation.
There's no crazy...
There's no crazy spikes.
You know?
anthony cumia
You don't like the crazy spikes?
joe rogan
Well, they get people a little nervous.
anthony cumia
Dude, I was just...
And it's weird because I really can't separate sometimes the entertainer.
joe rogan
Pardon everyone charged for defying COVID rules.
Wow.
He's going to pardon everyone?
A lot of people are going to move to Florida.
Is it retroactive?
If you get busted in New York and you go to Florida and they'll let you off the hook?
anthony cumia
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
Like that guy who owns the gym?
unidentified
Trust him.
anthony cumia
Just in Florida?
joe rogan
The guy owns a gym in New Jersey?
anthony cumia
They boarded it up, and he's gotta bust it down, and then the cops show up.
I can't imagine these cops want to do this.
joe rogan
No.
It's the health department.
They want to reinforce this idea that they're in control, and then it's a game.
Because once they're in control, then you violate that.
Especially gyms.
They're literally the healthiest fucking place on earth.
It's like where people actually go to get healthy.
You're keeping them from the one thing that's been statistically proven to aid your immune system, other than vitamins, exercise.
anthony cumia
None of it makes sense.
No one that goes to a gym is in the dangerous demo.
joe rogan
And if you are, you're trying to get out of that demo.
You're in the gym because you're trying to get out of the obesity demo.
anthony cumia
Doesn't anyone see, when you think of the beginning of this whole thing and it was the flatten the curve thing, the flatten the curve thing was completely based on, hey, we know everyone's eventually going to get this.
We just need to spread out the time of everyone getting it so we don't get overwhelmed with emergency care and the hospitals and ventilators and whatnot.
And that makes sense.
I could get it.
You get this huge spike and then it goes away.
You want to spread it out.
But when did it turn into, well, no, now we're on the no one can ever get it, ever, ever, and we need to keep you from touching each other or being in a sports complex or eating dinner.
That was never supposed to be part of it.
We were supposed to get this as healthy people getting a flu.
Protect the elderly, protect the pre-existing conditions, people with asthma or other problems.
When did it turn into, hey, you want to see a Yankee game?
Well, you got to have your phone with a code on it now.
And I'm not kidding.
I watched this piece about this guy.
It was an NBC News piece.
This guy goes to Yankee Stadium.
He's going to show you what it takes to go to a Yankee game.
And he's like, all these steps.
He needed to put his info into a government site to pop a code up on his phone to To give to someone with his results, his medical results, to some guy standing in front of Yankee Stadium, taking his temperature, clicking that, and then he goes, and social distancing, and wearing a mask, and then they show him in the seats, and he goes, and you're in!
Like, what?
It was a big, complex thing!
Here's how you're supposed to go to the game.
Hey, Bobby, I got a ticket to the Yankee game.
You want to go?
Okay, cool.
Meet me at the subway.
There.
You're in.
Simple as that.
joe rogan
I think originally they thought that the virus would burn out if everybody stayed home.
They thought whoever got it would get over it and then we would go back out and no one would infect anybody.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a thought.
So it wasn't just that everybody was going to get it and we're going to flatten the curve.
The idea was like, let the virus burn out because no one's going to reinfect anybody.
anthony cumia
But how long was that supposed to take?
No one at the beginning was told, hey, guess what?
In over a year, you're still going to be dealing with this bullshit.
joe rogan
No, they thought it was two weeks.
anthony cumia
Two weeks, right.
Two weeks to flatten the curve.
joe rogan
But you know what it's like?
It's like a lot of what Jordan Peterson talked about when he was talking about rules in Canada.
That they were trying to enforce rules for required speech.
And that when you would do this, he's like, there's a real problem with doing this.
If you have compelled speech laws, he's like, because then they keep pushing it further and further and further.
You have to have freedom of speech and it has to be steadfast.
anthony cumia
It's got to be absolute, right?
joe rogan
It has to be absolute, because even people go, well, freedom of speech is not that important.
Oh my god, man, it's so fucking important.
anthony cumia
The utmost.
joe rogan
Because if you alter it a little bit, then it leaves wiggle room to continue moving it left and right, depending on who's in power.
It can go really far left or really far right because it turns out it's not really about what's right or what's wrong.
It's about who is in power and what they believe and what ideology they're supporting.
That's what you're seeing right now with these social media platforms that have this ability to just decide what the narrative is and block people from doing things.
I talked about this in the podcast.
I tried to share a video with a friend where there was a doctor talking about ivermectin.
And I was like, you know, because this friend of mine, he knows a lot.
He's a very smart guy.
And I said, hey, is this true?
Is this doctor saying that ivermectin cures 99% of the people's 99 effective treatment of COVID, particularly if you catch it quickly?
So I tried to send it to him in a DM and it wouldn't send.
anthony cumia
Oh my god, it wouldn't even send.
joe rogan
It would not send.
So I'm like, maybe my connection fucked up.
Let me try it again.
And then I send him a message.
For some reason it's not sending.
The message goes through.
That message goes through.
I said, let me try to send it again.
Try to send it again.
No, it wouldn't send.
I'm like, oh my god, give me your email address.
So I had to get his email address.
unidentified
Holy shit.
joe rogan
He gave me his email address.
I sent it to him through email.
anthony cumia
So there's an algorithm that's finding these words?
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's not words.
It's a specific video.
It's a specific link.
anthony cumia
Oh, a video itself.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So it was a link to this video itself.
Someone had reported it or it had been deemed not worthy for sharing.
But it's a doctor.
It's an actual medical doctor who treats patients.
That didn't seem to matter.
Who's discussing why ivermectin works, the effectiveness of ivermectin, and all of his success that he's had with his clients.
anthony cumia
Wrong science.
joe rogan
What he was saying, though, where it gets disturbing, he was saying that the reason why this is so controversial is because you can't fund vaccines when there's an effective treatment.
Then there's no incentive.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
And I don't know if that's why.
I think more likely there's people that are in social media that are doing these, that are in charge of what they censor and not censor.
They think they're doing the right thing.
In their eyes, they're stopping people from promoting harmful propaganda and misinformation.
anthony cumia
But isn't that, you know, you could go back to the classic, there were a lot of people that thought they were doing the right thing in history.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And that's Jordan Peterson's point.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
I love Jordan.
I love him.
My chick actually turned me on to Jordan Peterson.
And I watch him now, and I just, I kind of feel bad for him.
He seems so, like, beaten down at this point.
And I know about his medical problems and addictions and stuff, but you watch a video from three years ago, and this guy had a lot more pep and sounded better.
joe rogan
He'll be back.
anthony cumia
And now I saw him on Tucker Carlson about a week ago.
And I was like, oh fuck, this guy really seems down.
Like mentally, too.
He just doesn't have that energy.
joe rogan
Physically, I think that benzodiazepine, and I talked to Hamilton Morris about that.
Apparently, it's one of the most difficult things to kick.
anthony cumia
What is that, like Xanax?
joe rogan
Yeah, and some other ones.
But benzos and alcohol are two of the rare things that when you're addicted to them, they'll kill you if you get off them too quick.
Yeah, yeah.
So he had a really hard time of it physically, to the point where he and I talked about him doing the show again, and I said, I really want to do it in person.
Let me know when you can do it in person.
He's like, I just can't deal with travel right now.
I'm not physically capable to travel yet.
anthony cumia
Dude, I had to go to rehab for a crime that I committed, so they said.
You know Vinnie Brand from The Stress Factory?
I was going out with his daughter for a while, Danny Brand, and she was just, if anyone could push your buttons, it was fucking Danny Brand.
She was a mental patient.
But, you know, we're going out.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Well, no, no.
I could say that.
Disavow, Joe.
Disavow.
So we'd get into fights all the time.
You could talk to every single girlfriend I've ever had since I was 13 years old, and every girlfriend I've had since that episode.
None of them will say I'm a physical person when I get into an argument with anybody.
This fight was like throwing and breaking each other's phones and yelling and she's videoing it live so it's streaming and I'm drunk and it was just bad all over.
Bad all over.
I'm like if I hadn't gotten fired for the Times Square thing this would have, you know, fired me anyway.
So all this shit happens.
I grab her hand and I bit her hand.
I was just pissed.
I was pissed.
I didn't want to hit her or anything.
unidentified
You bit her?
anthony cumia
A waif of a girl, you know.
And I just bit her hand.
I was like, argh.
No blood or anything.
I just bit her hand.
Then the fight calms down.
We decide to actually drive to the Apple Store to buy ourselves new phones.
So she gets in the car.
We drive.
I come back.
Cops all around my fucking house.
joe rogan
Because she had streamed it live.
anthony cumia
She had streamed it live.
Someone had saw it and called the cops to come to the house.
Well, they bring her in the house.
I'm standing outside.
And they bring her in with a girl cop.
And I'm sure she's like, well, what happened?
Well, did he do this?
Did he mean this?
Before I know it, they're like, they fucking grabbed my pistol.
They fucking handcuffed me.
I'm like, I'd never been arrested in my life.
Never.
Ever.
And that whole thing started this time.
My experience with the legal system.
And it is fucked.
As a guy, you're just screwed.
And it's this whole thing where you don't even get...
It's not like TV or the movies.
I would like to present to you...
They want everything to be pled out.
So I had to plea...
And sit there and do one of those things where you stand there and go, yes, I placed my arm on her throat.
joe rogan
When you say they want everything to plead out, is that because the courts are too overcrowded?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
They just bam, bam, bam.
They want shit to just go through.
It's nothing.
When we see a trial on television, it's an anomaly.
Trials don't happen.
Plea bargains happen constantly.
And they're never really...
What happened?
You're pleading to something just to get off the hook.
They told me, all right, we'll bring it down to a harassment thing.
It would be like going down the street and, you know, hey, you're an asshole, or whistling to a girl.
Right, right.
And now I could go, huh, should I spend tens of thousands, if not hundred thousand dollars, defending myself where a jury could just go, I don't like this guy, and give me the big charge?
Or should I just plea?
And then I won't have a felony on my record.
I won't have a violation, not even a misdemeanor.
So of course you take that.
But everything gets twisted around.
Everything gets twisted.
Nothing's real.
They've done stories about you in the news where you look and go, oh, my God, that is the most inaccurate thing I've ever seen.
And you think at first it's just about you.
And then you realize, oh, wait, they're getting everything wrong.
It's not just me.
Any story they do is a lie.
joe rogan
Well, they go towards the most sensational version of it possible because that's their business.
Their business is selling clicks.
anthony cumia
It should have been informing the people.
That's kind of naive.
joe rogan
That's not as profitable.
anthony cumia
No, it's not.
Back in the old days, I think it was part of TV stations licensing that they had to provide a certain amount of time to inform the people.
Yeah.
We'll put a half hour, some guy will read the news, that'll cover our FCC obligation to inform the people.
That's what PSAs used to be about and stuff.
It was just filling time that the FCC said, because you're a licensed broadcaster, you need to do these things.
And then someone somewhere went...
I think we can make money off of this.
unidentified
What?
anthony cumia
Who's going to buy time on a news show?
It's like, well, if we make the news a little titillating and spike it up a little bit.
And then you got shows like A Current Affair that came out and all those pseudo news shows.
And then the regular mainstream media news decided to pick up that outline and format.
And the days of Cronkite and Huntley Brinkley and shit were gone.
And that's what we're living in now.
Complete lie.
I don't watch one thing on the news anymore and trust anything they're saying.
Ever.
joe rogan
Have you ever read Matt Taibbi's book, Hate Inc.?
anthony cumia
No.
joe rogan
That's what it's called, right?
Isn't it called Hate Inc.?
Yeah, it's fantastic.
He details how this all happened, how it got started.
And it's a business model, and that's what's profitable now.
And particularly because the internet is all about short attention span, the cycle of interesting things, the news goes in and out so quickly.
You've got to captivate people as quickly as possible, and the best way to do that is the most sensational version of something possible.
And that's how you sell ads, and that's how you do this, and that's how you do that.
Just keep it moving.
anthony cumia
But when you realize that fear is part of it, like fear is a great thing.
People want to know if something's going to kill them or hurt them or their family or their dog.
So if you present this horrible scenario, people are going to watch and then they're going to yap about it and the sponsors will go, oh, a lot of people tuned into this.
Let's spend some money here.
So what do you think the news company does?
God, I hope something crazy scary comes up or are they going to Make something that's crazy scary.
Of course they are.
It's their product.
So they're building.
It's a factory now of scary, titillating, bloody lies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You were getting to something, because you said that you got arrested, but you had a whole point to get to.
anthony cumia
I really did, didn't I, Joe?
That went away.
All of a sudden, I'm thinking, I'm talking about this, and I did have a point to get to.
joe rogan
There was something you were getting to.
I'm like, man, I want to bring him back to this because I want to know what it is.
anthony cumia
It might have been a relationship thing, which it probably was.
I know.
joe rogan
Physical, throwing things, biting, phones.
anthony cumia
Yeah, but that wasn't it.
I had gone into it with the intention of veering off to something else, and I got tracked on that, and it just stuck in my head, and now it's gone.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's understandable.
anthony cumia
It's one of those things.
joe rogan
We're going to be able to read each other's minds soon.
I think within the next decade or two.
anthony cumia
You think that's the thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what's going to pull us out of this.
anthony cumia
Now, that's a scary prospect.
joe rogan
It is a scary prospect, but it's no more scary than the difference between what it used to be when you left your house and no one knew where you were to now you have a tag in your backpack and your mom can track you every step of the way.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah, that's a thing.
joe rogan
You find my phone.
You use find my phone.
If you're on the same account, you can see where your husband is.
You can see where your wife is.
You can see where your kids are.
You can find your phone.
Oh, there it is, downtown.
You know where everybody is.
And then on top of that, everybody's geotagging their photographs.
Everybody's putting their location data in their Instagram pictures.
anthony cumia
We put way too much out there.
joe rogan
We're getting closer and closer and closer to being totally interconnected.
And I think one of the ways it's going to get us out of this, that's going to be the savior of propaganda and bullshit.
Wouldn't it be nice if we knew exactly what people were thinking?
anthony cumia
Oh, I don't know.
Well, some people...
We kind of have that with social media, things like Twitter, where we know what people are thinking because it's what they...
Present to you.
joe rogan
It's more of what they're projecting.
And you have to use your own ability to decipher bullshit.
To go, oh, this is virtue signaling.
This is a guy who's trying to take some heat off of him so he's going after that guy.
anthony cumia
And then you would know that.
Instead of just seeing somebody bullying online, you would know, oh, this is a poor, lonely, douchebag, sad, depressed guy.
joe rogan
Everybody attacking people on Twitter is depressed.
They're almost all depressed.
There's always something wrong with you.
If you're going after people for things like that, unless someone's like doing something, like someone's ripping you off and you want to inform people, hey, I'm getting fucked over and this could happen to you.
Here's what's going on.
The people that are just attacking people, for the most part, they're trying to bring people down because they're down.
That's almost all of it.
anthony cumia
We've seen it happen quite a few times.
My brother is various cover bands.
He's a great guitarist and does gigs all over the place.
And because he's my brother, some of these people decided to just fuck with him and call some of these venues and say that he's this terrible person.
They'll make up things.
And he's had gigs canceled because of that.
First of all, I just don't get that mindset.
Why would you do that?
And it is because these people are just angry.
joe rogan
No one who's successful is doing that.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
Exactly.
anthony cumia
So my brother actually started looking into a lot of this, and he's called a couple of these people.
He figured out how to get in touch with them and called them.
And every single one of them, after a little while, says something to the effect of, Dude, I was just fucking around.
I'm joking.
I play guitar, too.
You know, I heard some of your stuff, man.
It's really good.
Oh, no.
It turns into this thing like, what the fuck?
And my brother's sitting there going, you motherfucker.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
Like, this guy is now your friend?
Like, he's a compatriot of yours?
unidentified
Well, it became a human.
joe rogan
It became a human talking to another human.
anthony cumia
A human being.
That's why I hate...
Social media.
It's so easy to just not care about another name and a picture and a few dozen words, but when you have to face someone face-to-face, that's why you never see these people at a bar.
No one walks up to me and goes, hey, I'm Hey, would you blow me 4262, you asshole?
They never approach you in a real place.
joe rogan
Right.
anthony cumia
They love it.
They love just standing on the sidelines anonymously and fucking with you.
joe rogan
Well, what they don't love is their life.
anthony cumia
Yeah, that's obvious.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
You find things to do when your life is going well and you're happy.
You find things to do that make you happy.
When you're miserable, you want to make other people miserable.
That's what a lot of it is.
It's hard to be happy.
It's hard to have your shit together.
It's fucking confusing out there.
anthony cumia
It is a tough thing.
I think being financially sound helps.
They say money doesn't buy happiness, but you can pay off a lot of sadness with it.
You might not be happy, but there's not a bill laying there that you can't pay while you're unhappy about something else.
So I think that does help.
But there are plenty of miserable people that are well off.
joe rogan
Very, very, very miserable that are rich as fuck.
Because one of the things that happens when you're trying to get rich is all you think about is getting rich and you lose your humanity.
Because you stop being a good friend.
You stop having fun.
You don't think about like hugging your kids and going out with your buddies.
You instead think about the numbers that you're racking up.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
You think about, you know, sustaining it.
Once you get there, now you have to sustain it.
And that's a whole other thing.
joe rogan
You also think about, like, there's a hierarchy of rich people.
You know, you have a million dollars, but Bobby's got five million.
That fucking piece of shit.
And then, you know, you're like, well, Billy's cousin's a billionaire.
Holy shit, she's got a thousand million?
That's so funny.
anthony cumia
I swear, it wasn't long after.
Me and Opie signed an insanely lucrative deal with Infinity Broadcasting back in, I think it was 2000. You want a cigar?
joe rogan
Do you smoke cigars?
anthony cumia
I don't smoke cigars.
I always feel like it's weird because I want to inhale because that's like smoking to me.
So you kind of just let it linger in your mouth.
I've smoked cigars before.
Why, you got a good one?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
anthony cumia
Are they good?
joe rogan
They're good, yeah.
anthony cumia
Because I hear Cubans aren't even the good cigars anymore.
joe rogan
I don't know.
You'd have to talk to Bobby Kelly about that.
He knows more than I do.
anthony cumia
Bobby Kelly.
joe rogan
I just feel like once we start drinking, I usually smoke a cigar.
anthony cumia
I'll smoke a cigar with you, though.
unidentified
Look at you.
anthony cumia
Why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't you?
We're here on the Joe Rogan Experience.
Humidor.
joe rogan
I interrupted you again.
anthony cumia
No, it's fine.
You have such a man place here.
This is a dude fucking place.
joe rogan
It's not as doody as the last place because I don't have the gym.
anthony cumia
Oh, right.
You had the whole fucking gym.
Of course you are.
joe rogan
Yeah, that'll happen soon.
anthony cumia
Of course you are.
joe rogan
Steps.
anthony cumia
I was watching a documentary about...
It was like, are we in a simulation, the Matrix simulation?
So I watched that.
Some guy sat in one of those sensory deprivation tanks.
And I know you have one of those.
And the way he described it of just...
Losing his sense of body and being able to see himself as individual particles and stuff.
joe rogan
He must have been high as fuck.
anthony cumia
Dude, he had to be!
But that was pretty much the gist of the whole thing, was that if you can get to the reality that you are just kind of Specs.
You're particles.
joe rogan
You're just things.
Yeah, you're a bunch of stuff.
anthony cumia
Stuff.
joe rogan
You're a bunch of stuff connected to a consciousness that's connected to an ego and that ego exists to make sure that you keep breeding and perpetrating your DNA. Yeah, it's all biological and keeping the species going.
anthony cumia
Like our whole thing.
And that's a little weird.
Because we also find pleasure in things that don't seem to be connected to that part of it.
I don't think a lion...
I'll just have a good time today.
I think it's food and fucking.
And most of the animal kingdom, I think it's food and fucking.
Sometimes you see monkeys eat some kind of rancid fruit and they get drunk and fall out of trees.
joe rogan
Well, that's what's interesting about people is that we've figured out some weird hacks to tap into our...
Yeah, that's a lighter.
You flip it the other side.
Uh-huh.
Flip it upside down.
anthony cumia
Oh!
joe rogan
And then pop the top.
anthony cumia
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
That way.
There you go.
And then push that up.
There you go.
You really don't smoke cigars.
We found out tricks to hijack...
anthony cumia
Phaser.
joe rogan
It's good stuff, right?
We found tricks to hijack our biological reward system.
You know, like the thrill of the hunt gets replaced with a video game.
anthony cumia
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, like wanting to solve puzzles and dramas and dealing with problems in your life and threats gets replaced by an action film, you know, where you're the hero.
You pretend you're Jason Bourne and you're kicking ass and saving the village.
anthony cumia
So it all still goes back to this...
joe rogan
Biological reward system.
anthony cumia
Yeah, biological reward system.
joe rogan
No places that get hacked more than porn, right?
You know, you watch people fuck, and you're like, yeah, that's me.
unidentified
I'm in there.
joe rogan
I'm fucking, I'm fucking, I'm fucking.
And then you can't wait to do it again, because it's on tap 24-7.
It's like you're living like Caligula.
You're living like some madman, some Salt-N-Bernay type character with a harem of 100 women that are paid to just sit around and wait for you to fuck them.
anthony cumia
Dude, I gotta tell you, the testosterone shots.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
anthony cumia
Now, you, of course, have been a proponent of this for many years.
You've turned a lot of people on to it.
You're 100% with this.
I know of other people that have said, oh, yeah, Joe Rogan said, I gotta get on this.
Whenever a guy that's reaching their 40s, 50s in there says that they're having problems with libido and muscle mass and stuff.
Energy, interest in things, aches and pains.
Yeah, you've always said that.
As a matter of fact, and then Nick DiPaolo, I do a show with Nick on Mondays on my channel, and he was saying the same thing.
He's going, ah, no muscle mass, cocksucker.
Can't fucking do anything.
Look, fucking bitch arms.
He's hilarious.
And he said, low T. So I went to the doctor.
I was diagnosed with low T. It was pretty fucking low.
joe rogan
It's called being an old man.
anthony cumia
Yeah!
joe rogan
How old do you know?
anthony cumia
It's called getting...
I just had my 60th on April 26th.
joe rogan
Six zero.
anthony cumia
Dude, when I was a kid, that was...
You're done.
joe rogan
Dead.
You're a dead man.
anthony cumia
You're dead.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, you have a thick neck now.
anthony cumia
Look at you.
joe rogan
When I saw you today, I'm like, look at his neck.
anthony cumia
I know.
It's getting there.
joe rogan
You're lifting weights?
anthony cumia
It's like, I am now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
anthony cumia
Missy makes me fucking do that shit.
She's an animal.
She's a fucking animal.
joe rogan
Look at you.
anthony cumia
And here's the weird thing.
joe rogan
Okay.
anthony cumia
Now, I... You don't notice because it's like over the years, the testosterone level and those interests that you had in your libido and all that, it gets turned on like a dimmer.
It's like a dimmer switch.
Slowly.
Slowly.
And then another year goes by and you're like, wow, you know, and then a little bit down.
After two shots, It's a switch.
It just went, bam!
And all the time it took to turn that down came right the fuck back.
Joe, I'm a piece of shit again.
I have been looking at porn that isn't even right.
Like, I'll punch it.
And for years, I've been going like, oh, Elon Musk, SpaceX.
unidentified
Oh, look at that, the Falcon 9. Now you go right to porn.
anthony cumia
It's right to porn.
And the porn is like...
College, red pussy, hairy, nerd.
Like girls with glasses and big hairy red bush and stuff.
unidentified
Why?
anthony cumia
Because I don't know, Joe.
Because of the needles.
unidentified
I just found this attraction.
joe rogan
What was the porn that you were attracted to before this?
anthony cumia
I wasn't really thinking of porn.
Really?
I gotta be honest.
joe rogan
But why do you think it's like perverted porn?
anthony cumia
It isn't really perverted.
I just like pale girls with big pussies.
Like the hairy muff.
Reminds me of when I used to see Barbie Benton in Playboy when I was a kid.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's bringing you back.
anthony cumia
It brings me right back, Joe.
joe rogan
So it's like you've basically gotten into a time machine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Brought you back to when your libido was in full swing.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
So you're connecting.
anthony cumia
And I think the hair's coming back.
Hair is making a comeback.
During the 90s and early 2000s, it was cut that shit off.
They tried to get artistic with it at first.
We heard the landing strip, the heart, the Hitler mustache, they called it, which looked stupid.
It was one little tuft of hair above the vagina.
A lightning bolt.
Stop.
joe rogan
Just stop with that.
anthony cumia
And then just cut everything off.
That's what every girl was doing.
And when I was growing up, When I was in my teens looking to get laid, if a girl took her big fucking granny panties down back then, and I saw a shaved But I would have lost my mind.
I'd been like, what am I, with a porn star?
Who the fuck is this?
Why is a fucking car?
Because it was that big triangle.
It looked like you took a pool rack and just filled it with barbershop floor hair.
joe rogan
When I was 18, this girl that I was dating, I dated her in high school and then dated her again.
And she was dating this guy who was an animal.
They had a lot of crazy problems.
He smashed her window of her car and all kinds of things.
The guy was a savage, apparently.
And she was over at my house, and we were starting to fool around.
She's like, I can't, I can't, I can't.
I go, why?
She goes, I'm embarrassed.
I don't want to tell you.
anthony cumia
I go, why?
joe rogan
Just tell me.
She goes, he made me shave my pussy.
So this ex of hers had made her shave her pussy.
She was embarrassed by it.
anthony cumia
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I'm like, I don't care.
anthony cumia
Yeah, like I care.
joe rogan
It's not like...
She was embarrassed that I would know that a guy talked her into shaving her pussy.
That's how weird the world was back then.
anthony cumia
And what year was this about?
joe rogan
Well, I was 18, so we're talking about 85, I guess?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah, that would have been weird back then.
joe rogan
Yeah, 86, somewhere around then.
anthony cumia
You had to know, like...
Especially back then it was so awkward and you didn't just now you could literally just go okay lose the clothes we'll fucking hop in the sack and do something but back then it was this weird can I get this right you never knew when she was gonna say stop right so you had it the shirt had to come off you had to put your hand under the shirt and then that and then the bra and then down the pants and you had to be careful when you were undoing the bra strap it had to be smooth because if you were fumbling too long It might stop you.
Right.
What is this rookie?
joe rogan
Stop.
I can't.
anthony cumia
Stop.
I got it.
Oh, God.
Fucking embarrassing.
And those old ones had like three of the hooks in the back.
The best invention was the front Velcro thing.
joe rogan
A front Velcro?
anthony cumia
Or a clip.
A little snap.
It was like click and then bam, right in the front.
You didn't even have to take the rest off.
It was awesome.
But when your hand finally went down those Jordache jeans, you knew when you reached ground zero.
joe rogan
You felt it.
anthony cumia
You were getting there.
joe rogan
Welcome to the jungle.
anthony cumia
Welcome to the jungle.
And then a comic did it years ago, but it was something about how you were always surprised at how far down that really was.
Like, you'd go down the front of the pants like, all right, belly button's here.
It's a good two feet from the belly button.
joe rogan
I remember when I was 13 years old.
When I was 13 years old, there was this kid in my neighborhood.
When I was 13, I moved from Florida, moved from Gainesville, Florida to Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts.
At the time, it was kind of a sketchy neighborhood, and there was a lot of rough kids that lived there.
It was very lower income and wild street kids.
They were out in the street, and there was this kid in my next-door neighbor.
His name was Pauly Hudson.
He was a dangerous kid.
He was already smoking cigarettes at 13. I was very innocent when I moved to the spot.
And I remember he was talking to me about sex and they were talking to me about girls and having sex with girls.
And I had never had sex with a girl.
I mean, maybe I'd kissed a girl.
I don't even know if I'd kissed a girl with tongue by then, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he was like, you probably don't even know that when you fuck a girl, you don't go straight, you go up in her.
unidentified
What?
anthony cumia
What?
joe rogan
And I was like, what are you talking about?
anthony cumia
I remember thinking that.
You thought you went straight.
joe rogan
I didn't know.
anthony cumia
Like the cotton swab during COVID testing.
It's like, wait, that's backwards.
I thought it went up, but it goes straight in.
joe rogan
Don't think that I had an accurate map of the landscape when it came to a woman's vagina.
I didn't know where everything was.
anthony cumia
Not many guys did.
joe rogan
But this kid knew that I didn't know.
And he's like, you probably don't even know.
anthony cumia
How old was he?
joe rogan
He was 13 too.
anthony cumia
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Like I said, he was smoking cigarettes.
These kids were animals.
anthony cumia
He had some issues.
joe rogan
They were roaming the streets.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
These kids were like, when I got into this neighborhood, everybody was just wandering around.
And they were all doing terrible things.
They were all lighting things on fire.
anthony cumia
Fire was a big thing.
joe rogan
Dogs were always running around.
Nobody's dog was ever in the yard.
It was a wild neighborhood.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
At 13, I remember kids like that.
And then when they got a little older, the crowds kind of separated because some of them would start breaking into houses.
Right.
And you'd stay away from those kids.
It was this weird tree would grow of the really good kids and the really bad kids.
joe rogan
The kids who took that turn.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
And you'd sometimes go over and be like, all right, we'll fucking drive over some mailboxes tonight.
Like that kind of innocent shit.
But then some of it would just take it way too far.
joe rogan
These kids were already breaking into houses.
They were calling them B&Es.
I had to ask what a B&E was.
I was like, yeah, he's doing B&Es.
I'm like, what's a B&E? Breaking and entering.
I was like, oh, I didn't know.
I went from being this kid that was living in San Francisco, and then I was living in a college town in Florida, and then all of a sudden, Jamaica Plain.
And Jamaica Plain in 78, I guess, when I got there, 79, was fucking sketchy.
It was a lot of dangerous people.
anthony cumia
I love it.
When I was out in My dad lived out there, so I went out to live with my dad for a while.
I was about 13 years old.
And my dad was all about like, man training!
Man training!
Because he had me pegged as like, you know, I was going to be this little fruity kid.
I tell a story about when I made a marionette.
I made a marionette.
The only thing was, it didn't have strings on it yet.
And my dad's like, you are not taking that doll with you.
I'm like, it's a marionette.
He goes, a puppet without strings is a doll!
He's just yelling at me.
And I'm like, I start crying.
He called me pissy eyes.
And my mother's yelling at my father because he's yelling at me.
And poor little Anthony.
So when I went out to California, he decided I'm going to get him a horse.
I'm going to buy him guns.
And this guy is good.
So I got this black horse.
And for my birthday, he got me a...
A Winchester.30-30 and a Ruger Super Single 6 pistol.
And he's like, if I was just 13th or 14th birthday and I got that, I'd saddle my horse and ride up in the hills.
And I would just ride up in the hills, shooting guns like a mental patient.
It was great.
It was a great, like, I was able to be a cowboy.
San Juan Capistrano, where the Swallows come back every year in Orange County.
joe rogan
Oh, Orange County.
anthony cumia
Yeah, it's in between San Diego and L.A., Oh, yeah, it's ranch country out there.
Oh, all horses, dude.
Everyone had a horse.
There were hitching posts in front of the bars on Camino Capistrano, which was the main drag.
joe rogan
Hitching posts.
anthony cumia
Hitching posts.
joe rogan
We could pull up with a horse.
anthony cumia
Pull up, and people did, and you'd tie up.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to drink and drive a horse?
anthony cumia
Yeah, back then, anyway.
It's totally different now.
joe rogan
Doesn't it seem like that would be fine, because it's not like you're in control anyway.
unidentified
No, no, the horse is doing all the work.
joe rogan
I feel like you could be hammered on a horse, and that's okay.
anthony cumia
I've seen many people hammered on horses back then, because everyone was drunk.
joe rogan
Doesn't that seem like that would be a different thing, though?
Like, you shouldn't get in trouble for that.
anthony cumia
You shouldn't.
Unless you cause an accident, maybe.
joe rogan
Can you get a DUI riding a horse?
Riding a horse drunk on public roads in California violates the law.
Of course it does!
California gets rid of everything fun.
You can't even go outside without a mask on.
anthony cumia
The people versus Fong?
unidentified
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
So some dude named Fong was trying to fucking have a good time on his horse, have a couple of brewskis, ride around, people versus Fong.
Imagine forever, horse driving while drunk is connected to your last name.
anthony cumia
To your last name.
joe rogan
Come on, I'm the first guy!
anthony cumia
You did it.
joe rogan
How many people were riding horses drunk before this Fong fella came along?
Poor guy.
anthony cumia
Poor son of a bitch Fong.
joe rogan
That's kind of crazy that it's like a legal precedent.
It's connected to this one dude.
anthony cumia
Imagine that, you just...
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Well, you gotta make sure you have cowboy boots on, too.
A lot of people don't know cowboy boots are designed to slip on and off because your feet get stuck in the stirrups, and if the horse goes crazy, the boots just slip off, and then you fall out, and you're okay.
You don't get dragged to your death.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
We got thrown off a lot of horses back in those days.
It was constant.
Your horse would spook at something and throw you off, and my dad's like, eh, son of a bitch, you gotta get back on that horse!
Like the literally get back on the horse that threw you kind of a thing.
So my dad was...
He wanted me to become a man at 13, 14 years old.
So there was this girl, Buzz.
Her name was Buzz.
Her name was Chris, Christine.
Kind of a big-boned gal.
joe rogan
Why'd they call her Buzz?
anthony cumia
Because she was constantly buzzed.
She was constantly buzzed.
And she was known around the ranch for being a little loose.
So my dad, I think my dad noticed I was making a lot of bathroom trips at that point because I had just discovered the fact that you could jack off and do fun things like that.
So he's like, all right, I got Buzz.
I'll get Buzz and hook him up.
So my father and his girlfriend at the time, Corey, they go out and Buzz is hanging out with me.
And I'm clueless, man.
I am fucking clueless.
And she goes, why don't you go up and take a shower?
Because I've been at the ranch all day and fucking smell like horse shit and everything.
And I'm like, okay.
I'm watching Monty Python or some shit.
And I go in.
I take a shower.
I come out.
And I'm walking to my bedroom.
And my dad in Corey's bedroom was along the way.
And I hear from in there.
I'm like, you coming in?
And I look in the room, and it still hadn't hit me.
I'm just like, what is going on here?
I'm getting my PJs on, and I'm going to go downstairs and watch TV. So I look in the room, and there's Buzz.
She's sitting on the bed, kind of sitting with her back against the headboard, and the blanket is up to her waist.
And she had big fucks.
So I look in and still I'm just like, it didn't fit.
Nothing made sense.
And then I'm like, oh shit!
I think I'm going to have some sex.
unidentified
I'm going to be fucking a girl.
joe rogan
You're 13?
anthony cumia
13, probably almost 14. How old's Buzz?
joe rogan
Buzz was 19. Oh my god.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
The older woman.
joe rogan
She's reckless.
anthony cumia
Oh, totally reckless.
They called her Buzz.
joe rogan
How much does Buzz weigh at the time?
anthony cumia
Buzz, she was really tall.
She was probably six feet tall.
And she had a proportioned body for a six foot tall girl.
Big tits, like very 70s hips and waist kind of thing.
joe rogan
And so you're a boy, and this is a woman.
anthony cumia
I am a fucking skinny little douchebag.
It was, you know, like fucking riding the Matterhorn.
I was...
But I was like into it.
I got into bed with her and she starts like rubbing her hands and she goes to slide her hand down to my dick and she's like, could you take your underwear off?
I got into bed with my underwear on.
I didn't know.
What did I know?
So I dropped those things.
And then, yeah, I learned very quickly at that point.
And that is, you could mark it on a graph.
Of when my fucking grades and everything just took a shit.
Right at that point.
All I thought about was fucking.
I was in junior high.
I went to school the next day, and I looked at everyone differently.
I was just like, these guys don't know what fucking is.
joe rogan
Now, how many kids in your class had already had sex?
anthony cumia
None.
Like, none of them that I knew about.
Maybe an errant uncle or two had gotten to them.
joe rogan
It is funny.
Like, once that door gets opened...
anthony cumia
Oh, that was all I wanted.
And then we had continued fucking for almost a year.
Wow.
joe rogan
So she was 20 and you were 14. Yeah.
That's a reckless lady.
anthony cumia
Very reckless.
But it was the 70s, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Pill or no pill?
anthony cumia
Oh, I didn't know.
joe rogan
I was blowing loads.
anthony cumia
Did you shoot him in there?
Constantly.
joe rogan
And did she...
anthony cumia
Little Anthony Lodes.
unidentified
Little Anthony Lodes.
anthony cumia
Blowing him in there.
joe rogan
Was she concerned with getting pregnant?
anthony cumia
I think she would have just gotten an abortion.
Hey, why don't you get one of those abortions?
My brother got one for his girlfriend once.
joe rogan
Is that what you heard?
anthony cumia
No, that was from Fast Times at Richmond County.
unidentified
Oh, I forgot about that.
joe rogan
Dude, that was my skull.
anthony cumia
One of those abortions.
Hey, yeah, I got tickets.
I had tickets for Blue Oyster Cult.
Where were you?
Like that guy.
He was like 40 when they filmed that movie.
All those guys were like 40 when they filmed that shit.
I love watching old movies and stuff, especially Twilight Stones and Alfred Hitchcock.
It's like Rod Serling will come on at the beginning and go, here's Bob Smith.
He's 22 years old.
unidentified
And you look and it's like, this guy's 50. Yeah, right?
anthony cumia
And you don't know if they were just lying about the age or that's how a 22-year-old looked back then.
joe rogan
I think people aged very quickly back then.
anthony cumia
Very differently.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you look at a 50-year-old man in those days, this is pre-testosterone replacement.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
That's a big factor.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
It's a giant factor.
I mean, look at Mike Tyson today at 55 years of age.
anthony cumia
Yep.
joe rogan
That didn't exist before.
anthony cumia
Hell no.
joe rogan
That was non-existent.
anthony cumia
That guy's a monster.
joe rogan
Yeah, a monster.
anthony cumia
And yeah, back then, I remember my grandfather.
At my age now.
joe rogan
Almost dead.
anthony cumia
Almost dead.
I'd walk into my grandparents' house.
He'd be sitting on a recliner with the Mets game on in front of him.
And just like you'd hear, son of a bitch.
And he was fucking old, dude.
And that was like...
joe rogan
And tired.
anthony cumia
Yeah, tired, old.
He'd had it.
He just wanted to check out.
There was this other aunt we had.
Aunt Aletta, her name was.
joe rogan
Aletta!
unidentified
Aletta.
joe rogan
Do people still call their kids Aletta?
anthony cumia
I doubt that's a name.
joe rogan
I think that's one.
Mildred.
anthony cumia
Things like that are just done.
joe rogan
Mabel.
anthony cumia
Could you imagine that?
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Mildred.
anthony cumia
Mabel, I fucking love...
You just never hear those names anymore.
Yeah, Aletta.
The only thing I have any recollection of her is right when we walked in the door, once a year for a holiday, She was in a chair in the corner.
And you went over.
You gave her a kiss on the cheek.
And no one talked to her.
No one acknowledged her.
She was just there.
Until one day, she wasn't there.
And that was her whole fucking life.
And I swear to you, she was probably younger than I am right now.
unidentified
Wow.
anthony cumia
It's so fucked up, dude.
joe rogan
It is fucked up, right?
anthony cumia
Right?
joe rogan
And you know what's really fucked up about the whole testosterone replacement thing is there's a lot of people that get mad that you're doing it.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
They don't like it.
Yeah, stop that.
Stop doing that.
Just be normal.
anthony cumia
You think it's again like a jealousy thing.
joe rogan
Just go and rot.
anthony cumia
Slowly.
People don't want to...
Yeah, yeah, it's just accept it.
Accept it.
Grow old gracefully.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
I don't know what you're talking about.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I always said Sylvester Stallone was my canary in the coal mine.
anthony cumia
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Watch that guy.
anthony cumia
He's like 80. Watch, watch, fly!
joe rogan
Bench pressing and shit, doing squats.
anthony cumia
Canary in the colon.
joe rogan
Keep an eye on him.
Keep an eye on him.
anthony cumia
See how he's doing over there.
joe rogan
He's like 25 years older than me.
I'm like, keep an eye on him.
unidentified
That's a good, yeah.
joe rogan
See how long you can keep this up.
anthony cumia
Dude, there's science, you know?
There's fucking science that's...
Making us live longer?
joe rogan
Lately, I've been doing hyperbaric chamber sessions.
anthony cumia
That Michael Jackson shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't remember that it was a Michael Jackson shit until yesterday, but yeah.
Hyperbaric sessions.
There was a university in Israel that did a study that they did 60 hyperbaric treatments over 90 days, and it turned out that it lengthened your telomeres, which is an indication of your biological age, by 20 years.
So it reduced your biological age by 20 years.
But it's so boring.
You lay in this tank for like an hour and a half.
anthony cumia
And you're not really feeling anything?
joe rogan
No, I just take naps.
I just go in there and take naps for an hour and a half, or I listen to books on tape.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And I'm trying to see what it is.
I'm 22 sessions in.
anthony cumia
What is the actual physical thing that it does to you?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
anthony cumia
Does it change the pressure?
joe rogan
I'm a surface researcher.
I get to the surface, I go, looks good, let's go.
anthony cumia
But Joe, I've read your medical doctor giving advice to young children.
joe rogan
I got chastised by Prince Harry today.
Prince Harry went in on me.
anthony cumia
Prince Harry!
joe rogan
Hey Harry, I can give you some advice too, buddy.
anthony cumia
Dude, when I read shit, when people start ragging you about things, I'm like, don't you know who Joe Rogan is?
Like, first of all...
You're allowed to give an opinion on anything.
joe rogan
Not anymore.
anthony cumia
Not anymore.
joe rogan
I've gotten too popular.
anthony cumia
Isn't that fucked up?
joe rogan
What happened was the Spotify deal.
When people found out how much chizzash I was making, then things got weird.
Then things like you have a responsibility.
anthony cumia
It's got to be a price if you're going to be tagged as sellout.
joe rogan
You've got to be a price.
Well, they also want you to sell out.
They want you to stop doing what you're doing.
anthony cumia
You have a responsibility?
unidentified
Hilarious.
joe rogan
I'm a cage fighting commentator and a dirty comedian.
You're coming to me?
I used to make people eat animal dicks on TV. You're coming to me for advice?
anthony cumia
How did that happen?
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
It's just I have too much influence.
There's too many people listening.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
People are going to be mad that I have you on.
anthony cumia
Oh, I know.
You have Anthony Kubia on?
I know.
I have my baggage.
joe rogan
Anthony, you're my friend.
You will be my friend forever.
anthony cumia
Exactly.
That's what I tell people.
I'm like, Joe Rogan, a friend.
joe rogan
You're my friend.
anthony cumia
I like talking to Joe.
joe rogan
You're my friend, and you helped me tremendously in my early days.
Tremendously.
anthony cumia
Dude, please.
Who couldn't see?
I have laughed harder just hanging out with you in certain situations.
I always...
Think back to the Dice gig.
Oh, yeah!
We literally fell out of the booth on the floor laughing like idiots.
joe rogan
Jimmy Norton, Bobby Kelly, you, me, and who else was with us?
Somebody else was with us.
anthony cumia
Oh, jeez.
joe rogan
Another comic.
anthony cumia
Yeah, there were a lot of...
joe rogan
Was Brian Redman with us?
Who else was with us?
Somebody else was with us.
anthony cumia
Yeah, we all decided to go see Dice.
joe rogan
We went to see Dice at the Riviera before they tore it down.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
My God, what a good time we had.
anthony cumia
Oh, well, we're laughing.
joe rogan
What a good time we had.
anthony cumia
I couldn't look over at you anymore.
And then we fucking looked and both fell out of the booth.
joe rogan
We were hammered.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
We were having the best time of our life just laughing and laughing.
anthony cumia
And Dice was being classic Dice.
joe rogan
He loved that we were there too.
anthony cumia
Oh yeah.
Had a great time.
joe rogan
He had that bit about catching gay.
How you catch gay.
Dice pretends to be ignorant.
So he'll have these things where he'll have these bits set up on preposterous science.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
That he's like, this is what I heard.
anthony cumia
Says it like it's gospel, and this is the rule, science according to Dice.
joe rogan
This idea that some people are problematic and you're not supposed to hang out with anymore, you could eat shit.
I don't give a fuck what you say.
anthony cumia
Because it's everybody.
I guess the last thing I just heard was, what's his name?
Oh, God.
From Freaks and Geeks and Superbad.
joe rogan
Seth Rogen?
anthony cumia
Oh, Seth Rogen.
How could I not have gotten the name?
I guess the Rogen thing was slipping.
What did he do?
Yeah, Seth Rogen kind of turned his back on his buddy there who's having these sexual harassment at the very least, maybe rape allegations against him.
joe rogan
Oh, James Franco?
anthony cumia
James Franco.
joe rogan
I don't think it's a rape thing.
I think it's like predatory behavior.
anthony cumia
Yes.
Yes, yes, like grooming or fucking underage.
But I think the girls were 17. I don't know what the laws are in California.
And of course, they're going to give you shit regardless if it's legal or not.
But I guess that's been a problem.
And they questioned Seth about it, and he goes, oh, I haven't spoken to him, and I don't plan to.
Like, just sold him down the river immediately.
joe rogan
You know, I don't like that.
It makes me sad.
But they're in a different business, and in that business, you have to be chosen.
See, this is what I'm saying.
Like, you have to be picked for roles, and if you get blackballed, you're fucked.
Like, you don't have a standalone product, right?
As a guy who has a podcast or as a guy who does stand-up, you have a stand-alone podcast.
You have a stand-alone stand-up act.
It's all yours.
So no one picks you for a role.
If Seth Rogen wants to do a film, it's a dangerous proposition to be connected to someone who's problematic.
Because if you are, then someone can link you to him and go, Hey, were you involved in this?
And we can't use you.
We can't have you.
Meanwhile, how many of these fucking people were in bed with Harvey Weinstein?
How many of these people are...
There's all these videos.
anthony cumia
Plenty of videos.
joe rogan
How many videos are people thanking him?
anthony cumia
Smiling photos.
joe rogan
Photos and thanking him.
No one's being punished for that.
Why would Seth Rogen be punished because he's got this buddy who's one of the handsomest guys that's ever lived.
Look how goddamn good-looking James Franco is.
I mean, do you really think James Franco's struggling to get laid?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
This is ridiculous.
I don't know what happened and what didn't happen, but it makes me sad that Seth Rogen has to say that.
But I don't know what he's saying, so I'm just hearing this from you.
anthony cumia
Yeah, he just said he's kind of...
He didn't say I'm cutting him off as a friend.
He was asked whether he works with him or will work with him because of all these allegations.
And his answer was, I haven't and there are no plans in the future to do so.
He was hedging his bet there.
joe rogan
But isn't that like, I have no plans in the future to work with Jim Norton.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
But I would.
anthony cumia
Of course.
joe rogan
But if someone said, are you working with Jim Norton?
And if I said, I don't have any plans to work with Jim Norton right now.
That doesn't mean I would never work.
You know what I'm saying?
anthony cumia
But it seems calculated.
joe rogan
But it might.
But it also might be the way they phrase it in the article that they write about it.
anthony cumia
Oh, I get it.
They'll try to fuck him up and make him seem like a scumbag.
joe rogan
They might say he threw his buddy under the bus, but maybe he didn't either.
Maybe he was like, I don't know.
I don't have any plans on working with him right now.
He might have been innocent.
anthony cumia
You think there are phone calls that go back and forth and go, dude, I'm going to have to, don't pay attention to it, I love you, but I'm really going to have to call you a piece of shit.
I'm sure!
Just to get this gig, I need this gig.
joe rogan
Well, Anthony, this is one of the main reasons why there's a problem with certain people that do stand-up in places like LA in particular, because you have to get chosen for TV shows and chosen for films.
anthony cumia
Yeah, you're constantly auditioning.
joe rogan
You also have to be selected amongst a bunch of other people that are also equally qualified.
And unless you're one of these Tom Cruise motherfuckers who can just blockbuster every fucking movie, you're in a weird position.
You're in a weird position where your business can get tanked if you get connected, whether it's fair or unfair, with someone who's a problem or with something that's a problem.
So they're all terrified and they're all liberal.
And I don't even know if they are all liberal.
But they all pretend to be liberal or present themselves as liberal.
And they do that specifically as a marketing strategy.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
It really is a marketing strategy.
There was a guy that I did a TV show with once.
And we were talking about ways of talking that they adopt.
And one of them is when they meet someone, they say, nice to see you.
They don't say nice to meet you.
Because what if you forgot?
You already met them.
And they go, you already met me.
And then you're like, oh my god, I'm fucked.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
Because then they'll turn on you.
Are you big-timing me, you piece of shit?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, dude, I know this has happened to you because it's happened to me.
You meet too many people.
You forget you met someone.
You say nice to meet you.
But if I say that and someone says, I met you before.
I go, oh, I'm sorry.
When do we meet?
I'll try to fix it.
I'll try to make it better.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And I'll try to explain.
I'm not trying to big-time you.
I just fuck up.
I forget.
My memory is very weird.
anthony cumia
They don't understand that my lie is a courtesy to you.
When someone walks up to me and goes, hey, you remember me?
And I'll be like, fuck yeah, man, of course.
And then leave it at that.
Because I'm lying to you.
And then that's where they go, alright, where was it?
Don't fucking quiz me.
Alright, asshole, I don't remember you.
And I won't next time.
Mike, have this man removed!
Bite him!
joe rogan
Bite his hand!
anthony cumia
Bite him, you motherfucker!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's this weird thing where you can't just...
There's no empathy.
There's no, like, you know, maybe...
Maybe this guy was friends with Harvey Weinstein and it was different.
His relationship with Harvey was different.
Maybe he didn't know.
All these guys had to separate themselves from him.
Or whoever it is.
James Franco or any of these people.
You've got to worry about being stuck in this strange category where you're a problem.
Where they don't want to use you for certain roles or use you for certain things.
It becomes an issue.
anthony cumia
Jordan Peterson said he was talking about the courage and bravery that it takes To actually say, hey, I agree with this.
I don't agree with this.
And the more ridiculous things get and the more censorship we're getting and the more ridiculous boycotts on people's right to speak.
You got to say something.
And the question is always, well, people are going to lose their jobs.
They're going to lose their family, their livelihood, their reputation.
And Jordan's answer to that was like, that's where the courage comes in.
That's the courage part.
It's easy to not do that.
Bravery and courageousness takes – there's a sacrifice that needs to be made or a potential sacrifice if you're deciding you're going to be brave about something.
And if you want to speak your mind, regardless of the repercussions, these days that is a brave thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
But it's the hardest thing to do because, you know, you always want to kind of float with the current.
But eventually down the line, and we've seen this happen, it's going to get to you.
joe rogan
Yes.
anthony cumia
I mean, who just got screwed lately?
That was just a bleeding heart liberal.
Oh, what's his name?
Oh, God.
Jeff Leach.
You know Jeff Leach?
No.
English comic.
Good-looking guy.
Very liberal.
I've had him on the show quite a few times, and I get, you know, from the fans, why you have this piece of shit liberal on?
It's like, oh, sorry.
Sorry I'm not having just people that agree with me on all the time.
And we have great discussions about politics or, you know, anything.
Sports.
Who cares?
He just got fired from – he's the voice, the English voice of the demonic character in the Call of Duty games.
When you play the campaign, not multiplayer.
He's that guy.
Great gig.
Well, they dug up some misogynistic shit.
He's a comic.
They dug up some misogynistic stuff, he said.
Boom, he's out.
And I will tell you, this guy is a staunch liberal.
They don't care.
They don't care what the context is.
joe rogan
They're looking for targets.
anthony cumia
Targets now.
And I think they're getting mad that a lot more, if you want to dub it, I don't even know what labels to put on anymore, so I'll just say right-wing, conservative, Republican.
They're getting mad that the names and labels and insults aren't really working like they used to.
To be called a racist now, it's like...
joe rogan
Everything is racist.
anthony cumia
It's everything.
joe rogan
If you eat peanut butter and jelly, you're racist.
anthony cumia
Racist.
Milk is racist.
The guy on Jeopardy went like this, and they're like, oh, it said he's like, I won three times.
I know it's a little weird, but whatever.
Everything's racist.
So nothing is racist.
It just becomes one of those things.
joe rogan
You're crying wolf.
anthony cumia
Right.
You're crying wolf.
And then when you look back at the true racism that the civil rights demonstrations were born from, that's fucking racism.
When they're dumping shit over your head because you're sitting at a Woolworth counter.
When you aren't able to ride in the front of the bus.
There was genuine, crazy fucking racism.
The difference between now and then is amazing.
I mean, amazing that we're able to get to this point and still live in relative peace.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's what I'm talking about when I'm saying that people are going to be able to read each other's minds and you're going to be able to see intent.
You're going to be like, oh, you're a psychopath looking for virtue.
You're virtue signaling.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
You're looking for people to think you're amazing when you're really kind of a piece of shit and you're this weird social climber.
Would you be petrified if they can read my mind?
No, they can already read my mind.
I have a pretty open book.
What I say is what I think.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
No, get in there.
I'm genuinely a good person.
anthony cumia
Because I know as broadcasters especially, especially on a slow news day, you will spout shit about yourself and things.
And I get that.
Over the years, I've thrown it all out there.
But there's probably one or two things you'd be like, I probably...
joe rogan
My intentions are good.
I would be worried about murderous thoughts.
anthony cumia
Murderous thoughts.
joe rogan
Murderous thoughts would be a real problem.
unidentified
How many of those pop up a day?
joe rogan
Occasionally.
Occasionally there's some things where I want to go straight Punisher and just clean up.
And I'm pretty fucking liberal.
That's another thing.
I get labeled as an alt-right person.
I'm like, listen, not if you talk to me about issues.
You talk to me like, If you want to talk about jokes, yeah, I cracked some fucking off-collar jokes.
Why?
Because I think it's funny.
That's what I'm doing.
I assumed you understood what I was saying.
anthony cumia
Not only do I think it's funny, a fucking arena full of people seem to think it's funny.
joe rogan
I know what I'm doing.
Yeah.
But I'm a good person.
I try hard to be a good person.
I'm a father.
I'm a husband.
I go out of my way to be a good person.
It's something I cultivate.
I cultivate kindness.
I really do.
I cultivate my gentle nature.
I try hard to work at it.
anthony cumia
That's hard to argue.
joe rogan
I try to hug people.
I try to be as friendly as I can.
I'm not perfect, but my intent is always to be a good person.
anthony cumia
I think you've done that.
joe rogan
I'm trying.
unidentified
I don't think anybody can say that you're a piece of shit.
joe rogan
The thing about podcasts or radio or anything like that is that someone can quote mine so they can go over the...
I mean, I think if you added up 1,700 plus podcasts that are each at least two and a half hours...
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
I've been on the air for months.
Like, straight.
anthony cumia
Yeah, if you listen to all those back-to-back...
joe rogan
You're gonna find some stupid shit.
And what's the percentage that I'm high and drunk?
Like, 40?
40%, you know?
anthony cumia
What a great point.
And I was saying it before we did the show that when I was on FM radio...
The only thing you really had to worry about was FCC regulations, which now seem quaint compared to what'll get you in trouble these days.
joe rogan
Imagine Howard stuff that he got in trouble for on podcasts.
It would be nothing.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
Nothing.
And the things people get in trouble for now have nothing to do with what the FCC deemed to be this horrific thing to put out over the air.
We got the normal, you know, shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cuck, suck, a motherfucking tit thing.
And then you have bodily functions.
You can't graphically describe bodily...
We would sit with lawyers all the time about that.
So then we'd get the GM, the general manager would come in and go, Opie Anthony, come into the office, we got an FCC complaint.
Like, ah, fuck.
And when you read it, when you're saying it, you're joking.
There's comics in the room.
It's a joke.
It's this.
When you read it in a federal transcript, it looks so different.
It looks so different.
And so bad.
joe rogan
And then the man said, Condoleezza Rice is my bitch, and I will do this to her, and tie her up.
anthony cumia
Voice number one laughs.
And you're like, oh, this is, you know, it looks bad.
But if you listen to the tape in context, you'll see that there was no seriousness to it.
But that was the old days.
Now...
You know, you give an opinion, an opinion that someone asked you for.
Those are my favorite.
Someone in the media will say, hey, Joe Rogan, what do you think about this?
And you go, oh, I think blah, blah, blah.
And then they'll be, Joe Rogan says...
It's like, first of all, you asked me for an opinion.
I was just walking down the street.
And then you're using it to try to fuck me over.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's news.
It's something to talk about.
It's something that people disagree with, so they want to be upset about it.
That honestly doesn't bother me that much.
And one of the reasons why it doesn't bother me is Spotify has had my back on every one of these things.
anthony cumia
Which is great.
joe rogan
They say nothing he said has violated any of our terms.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I don't do things to be a bad person.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But if I have an opinion on something, and it just doesn't happen to fit with what you're trying to promote, Sorry.
anthony cumia
An opinion now is like gospel.
It's dangerous.
And when a comic says something, you really have to put it in context that it's not your physician saying it.
It's not your lawyer saying it.
It's not a politician saying it.
It's a fucking comic saying it.
And people are dying to get out and see funny comedy again.
joe rogan
Oh, wild comedy.
Cheers.
anthony cumia
Wild comedy.
Absolutely.
Thank you, Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
We're doing this Comedians of the Compound thing.
joe rogan
We're doing it at the Creek in the Cave, right?
anthony cumia
We're doing another Vulcan.
joe rogan
Oh, Vulcan's great too.
anthony cumia
Vulcan, Friday and Saturday night.
joe rogan
Austin has a great fucking comedy scene.
It's alive right now.
anthony cumia
They followed you.
They're like, Rogan's coming here?
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to get them all on.
I'll help them all.
I want to promote it.
anthony cumia
It's awesome.
You do have this...
How weird is that, dude?
You got a power.
You have a platform that is a power, and that's why people hate it.
But I was saying, you are...
Especially to comics, but to everybody, what fucking Johnny Carson was.
Like, this is the 2021, the 21st century version of The Tonight Show.
Late night TV shows aren't doing well.
People don't like them.
joe rogan
They're too sanitized.
anthony cumia
They're sanitized.
Yeah, yeah.
There's no edge to it.
When you saw Johnny Carson in the old days and fucking Sinatra would just walk out the curtain and Dino's there and Rickles, they didn't know what the fuck was going to happen.
And that's what people loved about it.
And now it's this antiseptic, hey, we're going to see how many eggs you can juggle.
And, you know, the tough, cutting-edge comedy of goofing on Trump.
You know, it just – what you're doing here is the equivalent – Of Carson with a new technology.
People listen to you.
They watch you.
Guests want to be on the show.
It's such a strange phenomenon because I've known you for so many years and you're the guy now.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it was born out of your show.
anthony cumia
A lot of it.
Which is crazy, yeah.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
I love it, man.
It's legitimately born out of your show.
And not just Opie and Anthony, but again, live from the compound.
I remember me and Red Band were sitting in my house.
We were sitting in my house, watching on my laptop, you doing live in the compound.
And we were like, bro, we should fucking do something like this.
That's literally where we started doing the Ustream.
We started streaming on Ustream.
Because you were on Ustream, right?
anthony cumia
That's what it was.
I'd grab a Barrett.50 caliber sniper rifle and sing love songs.
It was psychotic.
joe rogan
But you were doing it, and they were upset.
That was another thing.
They were upset that you were doing it because you had this radio gig.
But you were like, but no, this is promoting the radio gig.
anthony cumia
It's my house.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is fun.
anthony cumia
I didn't sign a contract that said I can't talk in my house on the internet.
joe rogan
They didn't know what was going on.
They didn't shore up that loophole.
anthony cumia
Right, and that's exactly why I was able to continue doing it.
joe rogan
And you had a full setup with, like, broadcast-style microphones and real production cameras?
anthony cumia
Yeah, I wanted it to look professional.
I said, I want it to look like a fucking drunk broke into a professional studio.
joe rogan
Well, what it was like was, like, a drunk had a lot of money.
anthony cumia
Right?
Well, it wasn't only like that.
It was exactly that, Joe.
joe rogan
And it was very appealing to me.
I enjoyed it very much.
anthony cumia
Just having fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was fun.
anthony cumia
And it was.
It's one of those things where, yeah, I had my job at SiriusXM, but there were bosses.
There's management.
There's other people that you have to deal with.
When you set up something like that, it's you.
I could do whatever the fuck I want.
joe rogan
Yes.
anthony cumia
I had a girlfriend at the time that was like, I want you to do the weather.
I just know that this green screen, I could put a weather map up there and you just do it.
And she's drunk and she's like, I think there's something coming.
I'm like, this is funny.
I don't even know what it means, but it's funny.
And I could do whatever the fuck I want.
And you fucking took that to the umpteenth level.
And it wasn't for a while.
What happened with Marc Maron?
Like the Joe Rogan eclipse.
Because Marc Maron was the guy for a while.
He had Obama on at some point.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did have Obama on.
anthony cumia
And then, like, he was the go-to podcast guy, and then you fucking come out of nowhere smoking weed and drinking.
joe rogan
Well, that, I think, is the difference.
anthony cumia
I think that was.
joe rogan
And Mark Barron's still doing very well.
unidentified
Madness.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Barron's doing very well.
It's just his thing is different.
He's a more sedated guy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like there's less...
Chaos.
anthony cumia
I think you're more open to other people's ideologies, too.
At least to listen to them.
joe rogan
That's a big thing.
I'm not opposed to listening to conservatives or liberals.
Even though I'm a liberal and I get labeled a conservative all the time, I don't mind listening to people's perspective.
I love Dan Crenshaw.
I have him on all the time.
I have conservative people on all the time.
I don't mind.
But people get mad at me.
I remember this lady...
She made this fucking, this weird chart connecting people to people that they talk to and trying to equate guilt by association.
anthony cumia
Oh, a red thread and pin person?
joe rogan
Yeah, and so she had me as this podcast host and all these platforms that I elevated.
And it was very disingenuous because she didn't tag in all the liberal people that I had on.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
All the progressive people that I had on.
It was only the conservatives.
And so I tweeted her and I said, Barbara Walters interviewed Fidel Castro.
Does that make her a communist?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then she was like, Joe Rogan favorably compared himself to Barbara Walters.
I'm like, okay, I see what you're doing.
I see where you're going with this.
anthony cumia
I see what you're doing.
joe rogan
Good luck.
anthony cumia
It's always a minefield.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
I don't have to get picked for anything.
So I'm not that guy who's trying to audition for things.
I don't have to hedge my words.
I just have to be a nice person.
And I'm not trying to be a bad person.
I'm just trying to be a nice person.
But I'm going to be honest.
So because I don't have to worry...
anthony cumia
Some people interpret that as being a bad person, by the way.
joe rogan
But it's because I don't have to worry the way most people have to worry.
I don't have to.
So I'm not going to.
anthony cumia
Have you ever been chastised, lack of a better word, from your UFC job?
joe rogan
Never.
anthony cumia
Really?
How awesome is that?
joe rogan
Dana White doesn't give a fuck.
anthony cumia
Dude, isn't that great?
joe rogan
He gives 18 levels of fucks less than me.
He doesn't give a fuck.
That guy's worth a half a billion dollars and he doesn't give a fuck.
He's wearing fucking sneakers and t-shirts.
If you looked at him, you'd never know he's rich as shit.
He's as normal as they come.
He's just a regular dude.
If you hung out with him, you'd love him.
He's a great guy.
He's great.
anthony cumia
I've met him a couple of times.
joe rogan
He's fucking great.
anthony cumia
I think he was on the ONA show once or twice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because a lot of people, I think, and the only reason I asked that, I kind of assumed it, is that I think a lot of people wonder that.
Like, oh, does Joe have to tame some stuff down so he doesn't fuck up his gig?
joe rogan
There was an issue where someone was talking to Dana about it one time, and he goes, hey, listen, I don't give a fuck what Rogan's talking about as long as he's talking about MMA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When he talks about MMA, I give a fuck what he says about MMA. And he knows that what I say about...
If I'm talking about fighters and fights, I'm always very respectful.
I treat it with reverence.
anthony cumia
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And when I'm trying to do my very best...
anthony cumia
That comes across, fuck it.
joe rogan
...to give life...
With these words to honor what they're doing.
That's what I'm trying to do.
That's my goal.
My goal is to just...
I'm like a professional fan.
And I know enough about it that I can describe things in a way that makes it a little bit more exciting.
I'm a comedian, so I can give a little flavor to things.
I just want to enhance the broadcast.
anthony cumia
You could tell you're passionate about it.
There are people that just have a job and they're supposed to be like, yeah, this is great, I'm talking about this, and then they punch out and they're done.
But you could tell you're passionate about that fucking sport and it comes across every time.
joe rogan
Dude, I did that gig for free for the first 15 shows.
anthony cumia
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what happened.
The UFC was struggling.
They had just bought the company.
It wasn't financially viable.
anthony cumia
They weren't making money.
They were like their big guys at the time.
joe rogan
There was like Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell.
This was like pre-2005.
2005 is when it really took off because of The Ultimate Fighter.
That was season one of The Ultimate Fighter.
So I was on Fear Factor, and Dana and I became friends because he offered me tickets to the fights when they had just bought the UFC. So I would go to these UFC events...
And I was a giant fan.
So I would talk to Dana about Pride and K1 and like, you should try to get Sakurai.
Do you know about this guy?
Have you ever seen Fedor fight?
I would talk about all these different fighters.
And then Dana was like, why don't you do commentary?
I'm like, Listen, man.
I come here to get drunk with my friends and have fun.
I work all day.
I do stand-up.
I just want to come whenever you have the fights and sit down and have a good time.
So he talked me into it once because they were doing UFC 37 and a half.
Now they're at...
anthony cumia
262. Crazy, yeah.
joe rogan
And UFC 37 and a half was Best Damn Sports Show, period.
Remember that show?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They were doing a simulcast where Best Damn Sports Show, period.
And Leanne Tweeden was in there, and I was in there.
And they were helping to promote the UFC and kind of make a big deal of it.
And Tito Ortiz fought Chuck Liddell.
No, excuse me.
Chuck Liddell fought Vitor Belfort.
And it was like a big fight.
It was a big deal.
And he asked me to do commentary.
And I said, okay, I'll do it this one time.
So I did it this one time, 100% for free.
And then he said, come on, do it again.
anthony cumia
How did you feel doing it?
Were you comfortable?
unidentified
It was fun.
anthony cumia
Like, I think I did a good job.
joe rogan
I mean, I was terrible.
If you listened to me today, I would say I was annoying.
You know, if I would go...
I'm not a professional.
anthony cumia
Early tapes of anything you do are just the worst.
joe rogan
I tell that to comics when they're thinking about doing a podcast.
Like, oh, I don't want to...
That's me.
Look at me.
Fresh-faced.
Fresh-faced kid.
Full of piss and vinegar.
anthony cumia
The whole world at his feet.
joe rogan
Wow, look how excited I was.
anthony cumia
You really are.
joe rogan
But it was legit.
Look at all that hair.
I was so happy then.
I'm happy now.
So I did that, and then Dana talked me into doing another one.
And then I said, look, I remember my manager was like, hey, you should probably be getting paid for this.
I'm like...
A manager, of course.
I told them, I go, fly me out.
I have the best manager ever, but I told them, just fly me out and give some tickets to my friends.
I go, we just want to have some drinks, watch some great fights, have a nice meal, go get some steak.
What a great night.
anthony cumia
Simple pleasures.
joe rogan
That's what I wanted.
I wanted a great night.
And so then it was like 15 fights in, and then they were like, look, we want to offer you a contract.
anthony cumia
Wow.
joe rogan
And then, you know, next thing you know, I've been doing it now since 2001. Isn't it amazing?
anthony cumia
Having some of the greatest gigs you've gotten just happened because of a time and a place and luck and...
joe rogan
Doing things because you like them.
The same thing with this podcast.
I didn't get any money out of this podcast for fucking years and years and years.
Took forever.
Because I didn't do it for money.
I did it for fun.
I did it because I saw you with a machine gun standing in front of a green screen and I was like, I want to do that.
That looks like he's having a good time.
anthony cumia
When you can have, like when I started, I got fired back in 2014. I've been doing Compound now seven years.
joe rogan
And by the way, when you guys got fired, that was when I started doing your show.
No, no, before that, not 2014. Well, we got fired from Terrestrial Radio.
When you guys got fired the first time, I wrote an article on my blog about it.
anthony cumia
Oh, shit, yeah.
joe rogan
And in support of you guys.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
anthony cumia
You've always been fucking supportive.
joe rogan
And then when that happened, that's when I started doing your show.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
2014, immediately, I was like, I got to strike while the iron's hot.
The name's still out there.
Still the O&A thing.
Can't take any time off.
And me and Keith Maresca, Keith the Cop, threw it together, like how to learn everything of how to put it out there.
I knew how to go in my basement and make a show.
I just didn't know at the end of the wire where everything else was supposed to go.
Now it's got to go out.
So there's logistics.
There's bandwidth charges.
There's all these things no one fucking thinks about.
When you're talking about putting together, especially video broadcasts.
joe rogan
The bandwidth charges are giant.
It's crazy.
anthony cumia
No one figures that shit out.
They never think of it.
It's like, oh, you put it online.
joe rogan
Corolla was the first guy to talk about that.
I remember him talking about his monthly charge.
anthony cumia
I was like, what?
Well, let me tell you something that happened in fucking 1997. I was working at WAAF. Up in Massachusetts with Opie.
It was the first gig I ever had.
And digital cameras were first starting to come out and they were just giant fucking things and no compression on the pictures.
It was just a nightmare to download and try to put up on a site.
Well, I went to this internet provider up there.
This is the 90s.
And got a page.
And I was like, this is the Opie and Anthony show page.
I'm going to take pictures of what we do during the day in the studio.
And we had naked girls up there all the time and fucking...
There was something we called the blue tarp cabaret.
We'd put a blue tarp on the floor and have naked girls wrestle in whatever food was laying around.
So we'd take creamed corn and fuck it.
It was great.
And I'm snapping pictures with this digital camera...
Then I'd go home and put that and some video, short clips of video up on the site.
And I'm like, this is great.
No one's doing this.
No one's giving the people the visual medium of what's going on in the radio studio at that time.
Like I said, mid-90s.
Well, at the end of the month...
This internet company that I've been using, TIAC they were called, sends me a bill for $30,000!
Bandwidth!
Because these videos weren't compressed.
These were like full fucking AVI, 40 megs!
And they're like, what did you expect?
No, you can't just put...
Because I didn't know!
joe rogan
Right.
anthony cumia
So I talk to them, and they're like, look, we get this a lot.
We'll wipe that clean, but just you have to know that you're going to be charged X amount of money for these things.
And I'm like, oh, that's the catch.
joe rogan
It was a different world.
anthony cumia
Oh, the Wild West.
joe rogan
That's how they get you, whether it's YouTube or – like YouTube in particular, because with YouTube, there's no cost, but you're under their control.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's where it gets strange.
unidentified
Yeah.
anthony cumia
And if your material is getting views, they're going to make money.
joe rogan
They're going to make money, but they don't treat you like you're a partner, per se.
anthony cumia
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Because there's too many partners.
There's millions and millions and millions of people uploading constantly.
So it's very hard for them to manage all that.
So they hire people to do it.
And the problem with those people that are hiring it is that it's all subjective.
They can decide this one is demonetized.
This one's not.
anthony cumia
Oh, they do it all the time.
joe rogan
Tim Dillon is a real problem.
Like, Tim Dillon's...
Most of his stuff gets demonetized.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
So he's got to start this Patreon page.
Because he's funny.
So he says, wild shit.
And when he says, wild shit, they're like, stop.
Stop.
anthony cumia
Stop with the wild shit.
De-platform.
That's it.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, the wild shit is what's making him popular.
Do you understand there's a market for wild shit?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
There is.
And then they'll tell you, well, make your own internet.
It's like, look, motherfucker, I have made...
Everything I can that is self-sufficient.
But at some point, it has to leave my hands and go to Fios's fiber optic cables, it's got to go to a server, it's got to use Amazon, it's got to use this.
And all those are vulnerabilities to people saying, hey, why you got this piece of shit?
So that's always the weak link.
In the machine.
joe rogan
Well, they've done one thing that you've got to give credit to when it comes to social media and these platforms.
They have silenced conservative thought in a strange way.
anthony cumia
When you look at 2016. Yeah, you look at Milo when he was at his peak.
Yeah, Yiannopoulos was huge.
joe rogan
And he was...
Almost untouchable because he was a gay guy who was married to a black guy saying wild shit.
anthony cumia
Wild conservative things.
joe rogan
And that was his thing.
anthony cumia
Now they scare the gay out of him.
He's not even gay anymore.
They petrified him so bad the gay left his body.
joe rogan
His act, what he was doing was saying wild shit.
That was his business model.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you talked to that guy off air, and I know you have.
He's a lovely guy.
anthony cumia
Really is.
He really is.
I just spoke to him probably three weeks ago.
unidentified
He was on the show.
joe rogan
And people got mad because of what he was promoting, but I think part of the problem was that there was an established power base.
Of, like, liberal thought and left-leaning thought, and they were in control of the tech platforms, and when these guys, like Milo in particular, he was the big one, because he was so charismatic, and he got through, then all of a sudden they were like, Jesus Christ, we got a real problem here.
We don't agree with this guy, we don't agree with him, and he's out there wilding.
And they didn't know what to do with him because he was gay, because he was married to a black guy, like, Fuck!
anthony cumia
Yeah, we can't call him a racist.
unidentified
And he's Jewish!
anthony cumia
We can't call him homophobic.
We can't call him anti-Semitic.
unidentified
He had everything!
anthony cumia
What label can we put on this guy?
joe rogan
Well, they just decided to just silence him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And interestingly enough, one of the problems with him was some shit that he said on my show, ironically.
Because he was talking about young guys having sex with gay older men.
anthony cumia
And one of his personal experiences.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
But here's the thing, man.
I've talked to multiple gay friends who have had similar experiences, and this is a small sample size, right?
I'm talking about six or seven guys, and they've said that in their world, there's comics and other folks, they've said that in that world, that's normal.
It's normal for a 15-year-old, 16-year-old gay guy to have a relationship with a 35-year-old gay man.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
And I'm like, oh, okay.
It's interesting.
I'm not saying that it's right, but I'm saying that it's common.
anthony cumia
Do you say these things on purpose, Joe?
joe rogan
That I'm not saying that it's right?
anthony cumia
No, I just see the headline now.
unidentified
I don't give a fuck.
anthony cumia
I don't give a fuck!
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck.
I mean, I'm just telling what my friends have told me.
anthony cumia
And I find that awesome because every time something's said like that, all I see is...
Not that I give a fuck either, believe me.
All I see is a headline saying, Joe Rogan endorses...
Gay child sex.
joe rogan
I don't.
anthony cumia
Of course not.
joe rogan
But they say, the people that I've talked to, that it's not in their world.
It's not thought of the same.
Remember, who was that guy?
Who's that film producer that had those wild parties?
We'd have a whole pool filled with gay guys.
anthony cumia
Roman Polanski?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
anthony cumia
Oh, gay guys.
joe rogan
Brian.
anthony cumia
Oh, Singer.
Yes.
joe rogan
Got in deep trouble for that very thing.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
Because he'd have like young guys, I don't know if they were 18 or whatever they were, but he'd have like a shitload of them in a pool together partying in these photos.
People are like, that's a problem.
But is it a problem?
Because they look like they're having a good time.
What's the problem?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
Well, the problem is that the laws are saying people aren't able to consent to what might be happening out of the pool a little later.
joe rogan
I want to put it this way.
Imagine if it was a pool filled with these young guys and then outside the pool was all 50-year-old women who look like Elizabeth Hurley.
Who's got a problem with that?
Who's got a problem with all these straight 17-year-old guys banging super-hot 50-year-old women?
How about zero people?
anthony cumia
No one.
joe rogan
Fucking zero people.
unidentified
No one.
joe rogan
Think about all the hottest older actresses, ladies, that are hanging on, really strongly hanging on.
If you found out they were banging 17-year-old kids, you'd want to high-five those kids.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who had a bit about that?
Zach Galifianakis!
He was talking about a young boy died after he had sex with his teacher because his friends high-fived him to death.
anthony cumia
High-fived him!
We do a bit on the show whenever there's a teacher that is having sex with their underage students, and it's like, we don't show the face of the teacher first, and we talk about what happened.
joe rogan
Why don't you show her face?
anthony cumia
Well, not immediately.
We just read what happened.
It's like, alright, she drove him back to the house.
They had some drinks.
They went into the bedroom.
She performed oral sex on it and stuff.
And then we go, okay, now we're going to look at the face and see how much time is she going to get in jail.
And then, bam, we pop it up and go, slap on the wrist, walks away with the judge going, have a great life.
joe rogan
Because she's hot!
anthony cumia
She's fucking smoking!
And it's every time, and then you read the sentencing, and it is literally, hey, you, now you knock it off.
joe rogan
100%.
anthony cumia
And then sometimes it's the lunch lady looking thing, and we're like, oh, that's fucking 25 to life.
And God forbid it's a guy teacher having sex with a girl.
They are just done.
Over, Johnny.
joe rogan
The idea of sexual equality does not...
I used to have a bit about that, that sexual equality, there's no sexual equality in child molesting.
We think very differently of it.
Because there was a commercial.
There was a commercial for Just For Men.
Do you remember this commercial?
Just for Men is like hair dye?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
And there was a baby, a fucking baby, who was driving around in a Porsche.
It's the craziest commercial of all time.
There's a baby driving around a Porsche with a smoking hot lady.
So he's got a grown lady with him.
Look, this is a baby driving around in his car.
Look at his little beard!
This is Just for Men.
So he pulls up at a fucking club, and look at him.
He's like, what is this?
anthony cumia
Why is the baby?
joe rogan
So now the baby has a bottle, and he's on the dance floor with all these broads, and he's dancing, and they're all hot, and they're hanging around with a fucking baby, and it doesn't make any sense.
What's the M.O.? My bit was, imagine if it was a small girl, like a three-year-old girl that's driving a car, and she goes to a nightclub.
They let her in, and everywhere there's dudes with kilts on, swinging cocks.
You'd be like, you're going straight to jail.
What the fuck is this?
But that commercial, because there is no sexual equality when it comes to child molesting, that commercial is deemed acceptable, but for some strange reason.
anthony cumia
There is no equality.
unidentified
What the fuck is that?
joe rogan
Show me that again!
anthony cumia
I don't even know what the goal is there.
Is it that you'll look younger?
You look like a baby, Anthony.
I understand if they want to say, well, if you dye your beard, you'll look younger, but it doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
Look at it.
He's got an old Porsche.
Look at the girl.
She's hot as fuck.
She's so happy.
He's hilarious.
And he's driving, too, by the way.
anthony cumia
They're letting him in like he's been there before.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're all cheering.
He shows up.
anthony cumia
There's a baby bottle.
joe rogan
He's got a bottle.
anthony cumia
Dude, they're kissing him.
joe rogan
Yes, they're kissing him.
Imagine.
And look at him dancing.
anthony cumia
And then he's out on the dance floor dressed like an adult.
joe rogan
Look at how short their skirts are.
Look at the girls behind him.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
It's crazy.
anthony cumia
Now, also, you know, you could predict where they're going.
They're gonna fuck.
Are they fucking?
100%.
joe rogan
He went there.
He got her all juiced up.
They're dancing.
Got a couple of drinks in her.
He's got his bottle of milk.
He's ready to go.
anthony cumia
I've seen the way they make commercials and stuff, and everyone from the company usually sits at a conference room, and they play it, and then it ends, and then they go, okay, so what do you think?
Like, that room must have just been like...
joe rogan
Love it.
unidentified
Perfect.
joe rogan
That's our brand.
anthony cumia
Love it.
Good.
joe rogan
It's on brand with Just For Men.
anthony cumia
Do you think someone was sitting there just going...
Like in Big, I don't get it.
I don't get it.
It's a bug.
joe rogan
No, no one said that.
They're all a bunch of perverted men.
anthony cumia
Right, right.
joe rogan
Like, yeah, I want to be a baby and fuck some old ladies.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's the craziest commercial of all time.
anthony cumia
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That commercial's so crazy.
But you could never reverse the sexes in that commercial.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Impossible.
So it shows that we are not thought of As equals.
anthony cumia
No, no.
Especially not in that category.
Yeah, the whole man-women equality thing has caused so much shit, making the police departments diverse.
The military, they just came out with a statistic that a huge percentage of women are failing the physical fitness test for...
Basic entry into the army.
That men pass every single—you get the wimpiest guy who's going to pass it.
And women are having a problem with this, yet we keep seeing this push to diversify the military.
I just picture Russia and China laughing their balls off.
Like, I saw a CIA commercial, a couple of them, that have been playing.
joe rogan
Oh, the diversity commercial?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
The inclusiveness commercial?
anthony cumia
Dude, there's a gay dude.
joe rogan
I haven't seen the commercial.
I've heard of it.
anthony cumia
Oh, it's a CIA diversity commercial.
There's one that's a gay guy.
He's a librarian for the CIA, and his job is to pick out mind-bending games for the agents to play.
And he was all psyched that the- This is a commercial?
The CIA agent.
Yeah, it's like a- It's like a recruitment thing.
He was happy that head of the FBI at the time, Brennan, had a rainbow lanyard on his thing.
And I'm just thinking, what happened to, like, the CIA? That isn't the place for diversity.
There is just some places where the best people that are suited for the job should be given the job.
And if that's a gay guy, that's fine.
But why advertise, like, hey, we need more gay people in the CIA? Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, because in this day and age, there's like a narrative, and that narrative is inclusivity and diversity trumps meritocracy.
anthony cumia
Yes!
Oh, fuck yeah!
joe rogan
So this is it?
Play this.
anthony cumia
No, I don't think this is it.
joe rogan
Our nation is counting on you.
No?
jamie vernon
They had another thing going on this week.
anthony cumia
It's CIA woke.
It's the woke CIA, but...
joe rogan
What is that one, though?
Is that a different woke one?
anthony cumia
This is the...
I think...
Ethnic one.
joe rogan
The CIA went from water-boring terrorists to torturing Americans with shitty woke commercials.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
The Daily Dot.
anthony cumia
It's so fucked up.
joe rogan
Shout out to Claire.
How do you say her last name?
anthony cumia
So, of course, on my show, we were playing the ad and then calling him Jack Reach Around.
And C.I. Gay.
And then there was another one, a blind woman.
A blind woman in the CIA. Is this it right here?
No, that's another one.
joe rogan
This is on their Twitter.
It says, I am unapologetically me.
I want you to be unapologetically you.
Whoever you are, whether you work at the CIA or anywhere else in the world, command your space, mija.
anthony cumia
You are worth it.
It's a gay guy CIA recruitment.
joe rogan
Can I play that?
I want to see that.
anthony cumia
That should get it.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
Can we play it?
I want to see how that's made.
Well, you know, they're just trying to tap into this movement that we have today.
anthony cumia
But isn't it like everything else over history?
The one thing I remember in the 90s was When you watch videos on MTV, and grunge was huge, they had those grunge-looking videos from Nirvana, and it was the shake camera, and the focal point was really narrow, so like Kurt would go out and he'd be blurry, and then he'd come back in, in focus, like doing that.
It was a look that grunge videos had.
And I knew that was over when I saw a McDonald's commercial using that look.
I'm like, okay, this is done.
You're never going to see that.
So I think this is just that.
It's another way for them to go...
Oh, I think it's Humans of CIA. That guy.
Yeah, that's the gay dude.
joe rogan
Click on this one.
Let me hear this.
unidentified
I wanted to be a librarian the first time I set foot in a library.
I was always a little different, even at that age.
And libraries offered a safe, quiet space where I could find tens of thousands of escapes into worlds of fantasy, mystery, and intrigue.
After finishing college, I entered the workforce as a middle school librarian, where I was able to bring that dream full circle and match my students with the perfect books.
Now, I get to experience that same type of fulfillment in a very different way here at CIA. I love my job because I have no idea what type of research question is coming through the door next.
It might be as simple as an HR officer needing to clarify a law, or as complex as an analyst needing to help identify something they saw in a video still.
There's something incredibly rewarding about knowing you are having a very real impact of potentially global proportions.
As an agency librarian, I work to ensure that our collection and services are matched up with what CIA needs.
Not only am I involved in the acquisitions of journals, books, and countless electronic resources, I'm also encouraged to curate special collections that challenge expectations.
Recently, I brought in our intelligence gaming collection to give officers unique opportunities to practice skills they need in their various roles.
Instead of sitting for hours in front of a computer-based training, they can play a carefully selected game to train a specific set of skills while simultaneously building on the myriad soft skills essential to intelligence work.
What?
anthony cumia
This is the CIA.
unidentified
My favorite thing about CIA is that they encourage the out-of-the-box ideas that drive real progress.
Growing up gay in a small southern town, I was lucky to have a wonderful and accepting family.
I always struggled with the idea that I might not be able to discuss my personal life at work.
Imagine my surprise when I was taking my oath at CIA and I noticed a rainbow on then-director Brennan's lanyard, which I later learned was designed by Engel, one of the many employee resource groups here at the agency.
I remember being stunned.
Since then, however, I've learned that far beyond the resource groups, inclusion is a core value here.
Officers from the top down work hard to ensure that every single- Inclusion?
Wow.
How many times have we seen that entranceway in movies?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Bullets flying.
There it is.
When I'm looking at that, what I'm thinking is like, it's great if they want to hire gay people.
unidentified
Fine!
joe rogan
Hire everybody.
anthony cumia
I got no qualms!
joe rogan
Does that guy want to be working there for real?
anthony cumia
I don't know!
joe rogan
Does it seem like he wants to find Snowden and rat him out of his hole in Russia and bring him back to face charges?
I don't think he does.
anthony cumia
I don't know!
joe rogan
It seems like that guy would be better off in a university somewhere.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, working somewhere where they're not trying to torture people.
anthony cumia
Maybe they'll just use it to squirrel back some microfilm, if you know what I mean.
joe rogan
But maybe their strategy is, and this is probably a valid strategy, right?
The more diverse thinkers you get working in an environment, the more you can solve problems because you've got some out-of-the-box type thinking.
Maybe.
Maybe they're doing that to recruit people because they feel like the world is a little different than it used to be.
We need some people that think along these sort of woke lines.
anthony cumia
Get the gay angle.
joe rogan
And then infiltrate.
Imagine that guy is an undercover agent, and you get him infiltrating organizations and ratting people out.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
Because that's really what a lot of the CIA does.
anthony cumia
The gay honeypot.
joe rogan
Like the CIA, a lot of it is undercover work.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
So a lot of these people, like, you can't have some fucking Club Soda Kenny guy going undercover at a gay rave trying to find out who the ecstasy dealers are, right?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You need different folks.
unidentified
I don't know.
anthony cumia
But could you see if you're like some John Wick type character and this guy's telling you to play fucking a game of trouble with him to learn how to do something?
It just doesn't jive with what we think...
The Central Intelligence Agency.
joe rogan
I can't imagine there's real value in playing games like that.
That seems like theater.
That seems like nonsense.
anthony cumia
Yeah, like they made some job for this guy to say that we have gay people in the CIA. I can't picture the old George H.W. in his prime when he was with the CIA going like, oh, I'm going to play some fucking games with the gay librarian.
joe rogan
Do you really understand what we're dealing with with the CCP? Do you really understand what's going on there with these internment camps for Uyghur Muslims?
Do you really understand what's happening in the fucking dark corners of the world where real horrific crimes against humanity are currently being committed?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, you know, this is wonderful if this guy really does love that job.
anthony cumia
Let's just play some Yahtzee and we'll figure it all out.
joe rogan
It seems so crazy.
anthony cumia
It really does.
And then, so I saw these spots, and we did a break on them on the show.
So I go home.
And I'm watching a documentary about the CIA in the 60s.
So 1968, there was a Russian submarine that came apart, some kind of explosion inside, and sank in the Pacific.
Americans heard the explosions from their – they had sonar for missile tests that they wanted to keep track of for the Russians and Chinese.
joe rogan
This is neither confirm nor deny, right?
anthony cumia
Is it?
joe rogan
Isn't that the origin of neither confirm nor deny?
Because they didn't want to exactly say that it happened or didn't happen?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
It wasn't the Kursk or anything.
It was another sub.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
anthony cumia
Americans knew exactly where it was.
The Russians are all over trying to find it.
But the Americans knew that the Russians would be watching them.
They're like, all right, we're going to raise this submarine and find the missiles and all their intelligence information and this thing.
They built a ship.
They built it from scratch under the CIA. And they used Howard Hughes' company because he's this rich guy and they decided the cover story was going to be Howard Hughes is taking this boat out to mine metal at the bottom of 20,000 feet of ocean.
Yes, Azorian.
Project Azorian.
joe rogan
Wow.
anthony cumia
Dude, they took this thing out.
The mechanics behind it was amazing.
It was a giant claw.
That picked up the submarine, brought it into the sliding doors, it was like a Bond movie, of the boat, closed it, drained the water, and got everything they needed out of this sub while the Russians were literally watching the boat.
They never knew that they had fucking done this.
joe rogan
And I'm like, that's the CIA! They got that through playing Yahtzee with a nose ring.
unidentified
Yeah!
anthony cumia
Yeah, I don't think anyone sat back and played mousetrap or fucking tiddlywinks or skittle bowl to figure out how to do it.
The engine nearing behind it.
They literally had to build a ship that looked like a mining ship but was able to lift the A fucking submarine without anyone seeing it into the bottom of a ship.
Sci-fi stuff here.
Wow.
But it actually happened.
It's a brilliant story.
joe rogan
What year was that?
anthony cumia
It sunk in 68, but it went up to 1975. It took them a long time, because they didn't want the Russians to know what they were doing.
And it took a while to build the ship from scratch, they built this thing.
A giant ship.
joe rogan
February 1975, investigative reporter and former New York Times writer Seymour Hersh had planned to publish a story on Project Azorian.
The New York Times' Washington bureau chief at the time said in 2005 that the government offered a convincing argument to delay publication.
Good luck with that today.
anthony cumia
Can you imagine?
They actually were able to tell the press, hey, could you keep this on the QT? It's the Russians.
We need to do this.
Now, forget about it.
joe rogan
No chance.
anthony cumia
I'm standing here on a boat as America tries to raise a Russian submarine.
joe rogan
Wow, that's wild.
anthony cumia
Yeah, that was the old days, man.
Now it's blind and gay and LGBTQ CIA agents.
I don't know if that's good.
I think the inclusion part of anything is good.
I think if you're gay and you want to be a CIA agent, that's fine.
But not because you're a gay CIA agent.
Just be gay and be a CIA agent.
And that's always been my argument.
I don't have – people get me wrong a lot of times.
joe rogan
I know they do.
anthony cumia
They think I'm this racist guy.
I'm sexist.
I'm homophobic.
I love people to just do what they want to do, mind their own business, have fun, have a great life regardless.
It's when you're sacrificing Especially our country and our abilities and...
joe rogan
Just for the virtue of someone being gay.
anthony cumia
Just because they're gay.
joe rogan
Or someone being Asian or someone being whatever it is.
anthony cumia
I love the gay people.
Me and Keith, we take Keith's boat out to Fire Island in the summer.
We go to Cherry Grove because Keith has a buddy that's a gay NYPD cop, retired.
And it is the funnest time.
Just gay dudes everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No one parties like gay dudes.
anthony cumia
Gay dudes can party in fucking thongs.
They don't give a shit.
And it's so funny.
It's like, oh, do people think you're gay?
It's like, no.
No.
joe rogan
Maybe they do.
unidentified
Dude, those gay guys are gorgeous.
joe rogan
There's some unfortunate looking gay fellas.
anthony cumia
An old queen is like, that's the saddest thing ever, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
An old queen.
Because it's almost like, because they had to make it through the period in the 70s and 80s with AIDS. So it's almost like you're looking at a nom vet that made it better than that.
Because you look like, how did you live?
But it's like, ah, he's old.
The gay lifestyle for dudes is a young man's game.
joe rogan
It is, right?
Or it's a sugar daddy game.
Yeah.
anthony cumia
That's another thing.
If you have enough money to be a sugar daddy, you can have all the gay sex you want.
joe rogan
Wasn't that the Bryan Singer argument?
Wasn't that what he was allegedly doing?
They were accusing him of doing it?
Oh, yeah.
anthony cumia
Sugar daddies.
Well, there's that predatorial thing.
joe rogan
Like...
anthony cumia
And I think gay people get a lot of flack for that, that they're perceived as these sexual predators of underage people.
joe rogan
Which is why people got mad at Milo.
anthony cumia
It's a young person's...
Yeah, he just said, look, my, again, personal experience was this.
He was saying what he went through.
joe rogan
Well, he was saying, believe me, I was the predator.
I was the predator.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's what he said.
anthony cumia
When he was a young guy.
joe rogan
He was saying in the relationship that he had with the older guy.
anthony cumia
With the older guy.
joe rogan
He was the one pursuing him.
anthony cumia
Hey, whatever gets you through the fucking night.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true or if it's just...
With him, you don't know how much of it is just theater, how much of he's just fucking around.
anthony cumia
He really is a showman.
joe rogan
What is he doing now, though?
It's like he has to do stunts, like turn straight.
anthony cumia
Now it's turning straight.
I talked to him a couple weeks ago.
He's in Florida.
He's opening up a fucking...
Like a clinic to make people not gay.
joe rogan
Oh, he's really doing this?
anthony cumia
And I said, I asked him straight out, I go, Milo, is this a work?
What are you doing?
And he went through this whole thing where he said, no, he found some religion and he really does think that the gay lifestyle is such a bad thing and it's unhealthy.
So he went through all this stuff and again, who knows, you know?
joe rogan
Well, who knows what kind of damage has been done to him and to his psyche by being ostracized?
anthony cumia
I asked him that, too.
I said, you know, a lot of times when people make these unbelievable reversals and changes in their lives, it's after this horrific experience where you might be depressed or...
Suicidal or something.
A lot of born-again Christians have to go through a lot of shit before they make that jump.
And I'm like, is this because, you know, you've been outcast?
You're fucking a scourge of society.
And, you know, you want to jump on something else, whether it's, I need to make money, so let me do this.
Or if it's genuinely like, maybe my life has fucked up my life, you know, and you have to fix it.
joe rogan
Well, it's all, like, what a drop-off.
The guy goes from being in the middle of the public conversation.
I mean, he was, they were constantly talking about him to all platforms removed from everything.
And that's over the period of just a couple of years.
anthony cumia
One of the most unfair things that are going on these days.
And I hate the excuse, private company, they could do what they want.
It's like, no, you've given them too much power.
Private companies now have too much power.
Twitter is a great example because I've been booted from Twitter so many times.
And it's one of the most useful show prep tools I have.
So I have to make accounts.
And, you know, I've made a few accounts over the years after I've been booted.
joe rogan
What did you get booted for?
anthony cumia
I've been booted for a few things.
I got booted for...
Usually it was being mean, name-calling.
Some girl was giving Jim Norton shit, and she was this bozo, red-haired, nose-ring girl.
And I said something like, she must have used her period blood to dye her hair.
Something like that.
And that was it.
Gone.
Gone.
Like that?
Out of everything?
Now I'm getting...
I have a finesse now where I know to say enough where now my fans pick up where it's going.
joe rogan
Well, that's what they worry.
That's called a dog whistle, Anthony.
anthony cumia
It's a dog whistle.
Exactly.
I dog whistle a little bit.
joe rogan
But isn't it weird that you have to like...
anthony cumia
You even have to.
joe rogan
But that was the thing that was happening.
There were so many aggressive conservative voices that were, in many people's eyes, meaner.
anthony cumia
Put Trump in office.
joe rogan
I think so.
I think it was a huge part.
Yeah.
And that's one of the reasons why they decided, okay, we can't have this.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
And so we're going to clean this up.
But the problem is you can't get woke enough.
And once they've cleaned it up in a certain department, they'll move left.
And then they'll keep moving left.
And next thing you know, either you're a socialist or you're a piece of shit.
Either you're a Marxist or you're a piece of shit.
And that's coming.
It comes for everybody, man.
anthony cumia
It does.
joe rogan
Brett Weinstein had a thing that he was doing called Unity 2020, where he was trying to take...
Intelligent, rational voices from the left and the right, and put together a candidate that's sort of like a party, put together two candidates that meet in a rational center.
And to say, look, there's really reasonable people on the right and really reasonable people on the left, and if we got the two of them together, maybe we can kind of...
Deal with a lot of the issues that a lot of this country has.
They banned his Twitter account.
They banned Unity 2020. Because they felt like- Is that the very essence of- Exactly.
They felt like promoting a controversial third party was dangerous at this time where it was critical in their eyes that the Democrats take control again.
And so anything that was against this narrative of re-electing or electing a Democrat and getting Trump out of office, anything that can get in the way of that, like some Ross Perot-type monkey wrench, which is how Bill Clinton got in office.
anthony cumia
Yes.
joe rogan
Right?
anthony cumia
They don't want that to take votes away.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm explaining to you exactly what's going on with the Federal Reserve.
anthony cumia
It's not even federal.
joe rogan
And you're like, what?
And remember...
He had that half-hour show.
He was so rich, he bought TV. It was before the internet.
And he told people, how are you getting fucked with your taxes?
And everybody's like, what?
And so he got so many votes that George H.W. never got a second term, and Clinton got into office.
anthony cumia
Yeah, it split the Republican vote.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they're looking at it that way, like, look, we can't have any of this Unity 2020 shit.
Fuck Unity.
We have a mandate.
And that's where it's crazy, because there is no harassment.
There's no discrimination involved in this.
There's no negativity.
There's no meanness.
There's nothing awful.
There's nothing discriminatory.
All they're saying is, we think it would be better for everybody if we had rational people from both sides meet in the middle and find out what's best for the country.
They're like, too dangerous!
anthony cumia
Can't have that.
joe rogan
They banned their Twitter account.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
Well, that's what they're doing.
joe rogan
It's madness.
anthony cumia
I was watching that clip of you and Chappelle, and you were talking about you can't be woke enough, and it was the SNL thing with Elon.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
And you – I was like, yes, yes, when you said, this is – People don't understand how amazing Elon Musk is.
Like, this guy is a fucking treasure, and there's people that don't want to do a skit with him.
joe rogan
People who are...
I don't know how many of the cast members were actually complaining about it, but I do know that a lot of people that were fans...
What I was reading was fans were complaining about it, woke fans.
And I'm like, are you out of your fucking mind?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you understand what this meant?
First of all, there's nothing he does that's negative.
anthony cumia
No.
joe rogan
You might say that him tweeting about selling Tesla public at 420, that might be.
But he's just being a fun guy on Twitter.
He's kind of crazy.
anthony cumia
He is, which is genius.
That's part of being a genius.
joe rogan
And simultaneously running four spectacularly disruptive companies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, he's putting rockets into space.
He's making the best electric cars.
He's making solar panels for your roof.
He's fucking boring tunnels under the earth.
anthony cumia
But he said, fuck you to California.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
And his people, you know, he wanted his factories to start working.
He came out here.
The fucking guy, yesterday, I just read...
The 10th Falcon 9 booster landed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
He used this thing 10 fucking times already to launch shit.
I remember as a kid, it was a big thing.
You'd be like, oh, they're going to launch something in three months.
This guy's sending rockets up on the daily.
Just like putting internet satellites.
He's got the sat-link thing going up.
Where he's putting these satellites up that will give the entire Earth high-speed internet.
And what?
He's not good enough for some goofy sketch?
joe rogan
He's not woke enough.
anthony cumia
He's not woke enough.
I believe, and it's ironic that his company is Tesla, because I think since Nikolai Tesla, this is the next guy.
He is the most brilliant motherfucker that we have.
And we're lucky to have him in this country.
And people just can't see it.
They just don't see.
This guy is fucking brilliant.
That design.
When you watch those boosters land, dude, it's like a sci-fi movie.
You're like, this can't be.
joe rogan
And if he just did that...
anthony cumia
Right.
Incredible.
If he just did that.
joe rogan
Just did that.
anthony cumia
And then he's like, yeah, we've been taking cargo up.
Hey, I'm going to take people up.
First time, beautiful.
Second time, they bring the first people back.
The guys are sitting in a ship that, you know, it's not like Apollo where they're fucking like, eh.
They've got leg room.
There's fucking flat screens in front of them.
It's like they're fucking on JetBlue.
And these things work impeccably.
They're all autonomous, by the way.
And it's funny when they show the interior of the capsule.
You'll see the guy sitting, and they're pressing buttons on the flat screen, and all you see change are the camera angles.
Like, they're not going, oh, well, how much Delta V do we need to get up there?
It's all programmed.
The ship flies itself.
It docks itself.
You don't see fucking, you know, Michael Collins trying to dock with the lunar module and Buzz Aldrin.
That fucking ship knows what it's doing.
The technology...
That Elon Musk not only created but incorporated into space travel is making it like it was supposed to be.
Our vision of the future were these autonomous ships where you could just sit there and it will do the work for you.
And when they open that door and the guys in the space station are like, hey, they shake hands, you're like, that's the fucking future.
joe rogan
Now remove him from the picture and you have none of this.
anthony cumia
None of it!
joe rogan
He is the common denominator with electric cars, with that, with boring tunnels under the earth to eliminate traffic problems.
anthony cumia
Exactly.
Without Von Braun, you wouldn't have had the Apollo program.
You wouldn't have had the atom bomb.
And guess what?
joe rogan
If you just tell him, Elon, we really need you to fix this plastic in the ocean problem, like, hmm, plastic in the ocean, how do we get it out?
And next thing you know, he's fucking figuring that out.
It's like, we have a problem with too much carbon in the atmosphere.
Oh, it's sucking out of the atmosphere.
unidentified
I can do that.
joe rogan
Build a filter.
unidentified
Hold on.
anthony cumia
Hold this.
joe rogan
Next thing you know, he's got a fucking gigantic filter sucking carbon out of the atmosphere.
anthony cumia
He's such a weird dude.
Now, you obviously sat here because the picture is fucking famous of him smoking a joint.
Does he seem like...
joe rogan
He's an alien.
anthony cumia
An alien, right?
joe rogan
He seems like an alien.
But for me, because I'm a chimp.
anthony cumia
Isn't that fucked up?
joe rogan
When I'm talking to him, I'm like, huh.
Like, I'm for sure his dumbest friend.
There's no question.
There's no question.
anthony cumia
Shit!
That's funny, man.
Yeah, he's one of those guys, one of those one in a million where you had, you know, Da Vinci and Tesla and all these people that advanced, had this...
You know, we advance as humans, technologically especially, and then we have these jumps.
And he's one of those people that inspired and was behind one of these big jumps technologically.
I never thought we'd have a chance of going to Mars.
Like, it always seemed like, alright, I know about the Apollo program and everything and the limitations of it from growing up.
I was very interested in the space program as a kid.
Still am now.
But he's the one that made you go, oh, alright, that makes sense.
Yeah, I guess we can at some point.
He's got these plans.
It's this weird, you know, talk about out-of-the-box thinking.
That fucker's brilliant.
joe rogan
Yeah, I always say that if evolution's a real thing, that guy's way ahead of us.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's some new, different thing.
And that's what people are gonna be.
Well, not only that, I forgot about Neuralink.
When we were talking about reading each other's minds, one of the things he said to me the last podcast we did was like, you're gonna be able to talk without words.
I was like, what?
And that's what he's ultimately thinking, the progression of Neuralink, when he extrapolates, when he takes it from where it is now to what it's eventually going to be with innovation, time, and continued improvements and updates.
You're going to have the ability to communicate without words.
This is what I'm getting to where I think, and I don't want it to be that, but I think that that might be our savior.
That our savior might be something that conveys intent pure instead of like manipulative words and because what we're dealing with a lot today with a lot of problems that we have is people manipulating truth with narrative and words and the way they fuck with the truth That's gonna be eliminated if you can actually see how a person's perceiving and thinking about things and Interesting.
anthony cumia
But wouldn't that take things like people's ability and talent of persuasion away?
Like, there's a...
You know, salespeople are very good at what they do because they know how to manipulate.
joe rogan
Right, but then when you're sitting there with some piece of shit that you shit in a box and some jackass is really smooth, talk to you into buying it, you're like, fuck!
anthony cumia
Like Gary Glenn Ross.
joe rogan
He got me!
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
He got me!
Coffee's for closers!
anthony cumia
But if you knew instantly...
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's the problem with drug commercials, right?
When you see those drug commercials, you could be that girl spinning in a field of wheat all happy instead of just shitting your brains out all day.
Well, you could be that girl, right?
Ask your doctor about blah, blah, blah.
anthony cumia
How many people end up like the positive image in those commercials and not the laundry list of side effects?
One of my favorite ones, it's for schizophrenia.
And I'm watching this commercial and I'm just laughing.
It's a woman, she gets out of her car and she looks over at a family walking to an ice cream truck thing or an ice cream stand in a park.
And she sees the ice cream guy, like, fiddling with the ice cream.
And then he takes a camera and just starts taking pictures of her.
And then it flashes back to him just giving a cone to the kid.
I'm like, holy fuck!
Is that happening with Seville?
It's such a weird commercial.
But she's pretty and put together.
And then she meets other schizophrenics and talks to them about it.
And then they're all sitting at a table in a restaurant eating, talking about this medication and how it helps.
And I'm sitting there thinking, are those other people really there?
Like, maybe she's just fucking rambling.
joe rogan
Alone.
anthony cumia
Shit in her pants.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
anthony cumia
Yeah, she's all fucking red.
She looks all pretty in the commercial, and then she's just a mess.
She's shitting herself.
joe rogan
Well, it's not the right solution, right?
The right solution is not like you watch a commercial, and now you have to talk to your doctor to deal with all your problems.
But this is what the problem with selling pharmaceutical interventions is.
You're selling it.
You've got music and imagery, and everything looks positive and amazing.
And we're one of only two countries in the whole world that allows that.
The only two countries...
anthony cumia
Crazy, right?
joe rogan
The United States and New Zealand are the only countries that allow you to advertise drugs.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
It's getting bad too because the...
The song Magic from Pilot came on the radio and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, authentic!
I don't even sing the fucking real words.
I'm singing the drug name.
joe rogan
What is authentic?
anthony cumia
I don't know.
I just know the song.
No one knows what the drugs are by just that.
It's probably some arthritis thing.
And then Cyndi Lauper talking about her psoriasis and fucking...
I've been one year clear.
joe rogan
That's what Cyndi Lauper was saying?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
She's doing drug commercials.
joe rogan
You know what apparently works really good for psoriasis?
The carnivore diet.
anthony cumia
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's another thing.
My friend Chad Mendez, he is a fighter.
He fought for the UFC, and now he's got a hunting guide company, and he makes freeze-dried foods and shit.
Go to Chad Mendez's Instagram page.
This is really important for people, because if you have, and I'm not saying this is going to work for you, but he has pretty bad psoriasis.
It's been a real issue for Chad most of his life.
And he got on this carnivore diet, and within like four weeks, his psoriasis radically reduced itself.
anthony cumia
Is there science behind it that you could say it's why?
joe rogan
It's elimination diet.
This is why.
Because whatever it is, I mean, the way elimination diets work is you try to find out what's fucking with you.
You may have some...
So this is what his leg used to look like.
anthony cumia
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Right.
Now, but look, go further.
So this is...
He's showing before and after.
Now look at it now.
anthony cumia
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
How incredible is that?
anthony cumia
And that's just from...
joe rogan
Just from Carnivore Diet.
anthony cumia
Carnivore Diet.
joe rogan
So it says here, okay guys, here's a little update to my psoriasis.
While on the Carnivore Diet, the first picks were taken when I started the diet in March 1st.
We're almost two months in, and this is what my legs currently look like.
The crazy thing is, I've been told by two different dermatologists that diet has no effect on psoriasis.
He says, I feel great and getting lean as well.
I wonder how I would have felt during my athletic career, anyone else having great success with this.
I know several people that have had issues with autoimmune diseases, like psoriasis, that have dealt with it through these elimination diets.
So, whatever it is that you're allergic to, for some people it just might be sugar, it might be grains, who knows what it is, but for him, knocking it all down to one thing where your body only processes one kind of food, which is mostly red meat, cured all that issue with him.
anthony cumia
It's so weird because over the course of the years, we've only heard that that is dangerous.
unidentified
Right.
anthony cumia
Oh, it's cholesterol or, you know, whatever else you get.
unidentified
Gout!
joe rogan
Do you know the whole conspiracy behind that?
Oh, this is amazing.
The sugar industry bribed scientists in the 1960s to lie and to fuck with their studies to show that it was saturated fat that was causing all these problems with obesity and heart disease instead of sugar.
So it was literally, and it wasn't even that much of a bribe.
They bribed these guys, but they gave them like $50,000.
And these guys come crazy.
anthony cumia
That's a cheap bribe.
joe rogan
But this is like from the 1960s, and this was all in the New York Times.
They were detailing how this had happened, that they lied about fat, which is like, if you are a person that lives in like an indigenous tribe, fat is extremely valuable.
If you have a subsistence lifestyle- Fat is everything.
It's fuel.
It's important for brain function, for health.
That gives you energy.
There's a thing called rabbit starvation.
And it's like if you only eat lean meat with no fat, you'll literally starve.
It's terrible for you.
You need fat.
So this idea that saturated fat, like fat from animal products is bad for you, is fucking lies.
It's nonsense.
It has literally been the thing that people have been eating.
People, oh, red meat's bad for you.
Meat is bad for you.
Meat is what 95% of the world eats.
They've been eating it for the entire time.
People have been people.
In fact, there's a real argument that eating meat is what made people people.
anthony cumia
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a real argument that the growth and doubling of the human brain size was directly coordinated with people learning how to cook meat and learning how to eat meat over fire, having more access to proteins, and then also the devious skills involved in hunting and chasing animals, that we had to get smarter and more calculated.
anthony cumia
Oh, absolutely.
That makes perfect sense.
What about the omnivore thing?
If it's not a deal where you're getting rid of psoriasis by just eating meat, is it healthier to just eat meat?
Or if you have some vegetables in there.
joe rogan
I don't think there's anything wrong with vegetables.
I eat vegetables.
I love vegetables.
I love salads.
And I don't have any health problems from doing it.
But I do notice that, for me at least, when I'm eating breads and pastas, I feel like shit.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I love them.
I have a real fucking problem.
anthony cumia
They're too goddamn good.
They're so good!
joe rogan
Lasagna, a nice lasagna.
unidentified
Oh!
anthony cumia
God, cheesy fucking pasta mess.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Big fucking noodles.
Oh, I love it.
anthony cumia
I love it.
joe rogan
I love pasta.
anthony cumia
It really is.
Sugars are apparently like the deadliest, most horrible thing you could fucking consume.
joe rogan
You're supposed to get sugar from an orange.
That's how you're supposed to get your sugar.
Because it's got fiber, and it's got vitamins, and it's supposed to be like a trick.
There's a trade-off in nature.
You eat the orange, you shit out the seeds, your shit fertilizes the seeds, the seeds grow more orange trees.
unidentified
Circular life.
joe rogan
This is the deal that nature has made with animals.
That's why seeds, when these delicious fruits, are in the center, okay?
You're eating all this delicious food, and then you get to the seed, and a good percentage of it you shit out, and that is what grows trees.
It's a bargain.
It's like the apple's not going to grow itself with just the seed.
It needs some fertilizer, and it needs to be delicious in order for you to consume it.
anthony cumia
It needs to be taken away ultimately.
Also, from the tree.
joe rogan
There's these cycles.
Why the fuck do bees pollinate plants?
Why do they do that?
How does that work?
I don't know, but they do.
There's a trick.
anthony cumia
It's their job.
joe rogan
But this is like, it all works together.
There's this system that works together.
And that's how you're supposed to get your sugar.
You're supposed to get your sugar from these delicious sources that are actually good for you.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
But then when you can get it from a spoon, and you can just spoon sugar into your fat face.
anthony cumia
And it's addicting.
It's an addictive substance.
I mean, people get addicted to sweets and sugar.
joe rogan
Because it hijacks your reward system the same way video games hijack your reward system for solving puzzles and going out and dealing things.
And the same way a fucking action movie hijacks your reward systems for surviving and kicking ass.
anthony cumia
It's fucked up, right?
Yeah!
joe rogan
Sugar hijacks.
All of your reward systems that think that you're supposed to get fat because you're trying to stave off a famine.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
God, that's so fucked up.
joe rogan
It's weird.
But you look at what Chad did with just eating only meat, and it's pretty incredible.
And I'm not recommending that to everybody, but I know a lot of people that do it.
That's how they eat.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They're pretty fucking healthy.
anthony cumia
Again, Jordan Peterson, I guess, and Michaela, his daughter, meat diet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, she had an issue as well.
She had autoimmune disorders in terms of arthritis, like severe arthritis.
And she cured all of that with no medication by just eating meat.
So clearly, it's something about whether it's sugar or what are the other foods that she was eating was fucking with her body.
And it's unusual.
Like for most people, they're pretty fine with these things.
But here's the thing, not optimal.
That's the thing.
You're like, oh, you're fine with a balanced diet.
Are you fine?
But you're not optimal.
What's optimal?
What does that mean?
That means your liver and all these processes your body has to filter out shit are doing a good job.
But you're still putting shit in your body.
And you say, well, I'm fine with this shit in my body.
But are you?
You're not optimal.
anthony cumia
I think it's quite amazing, especially in the United States, but worldwide if you think about it, but United States, that we have the capability of feeding 300 and what?
30 are we at?
Something like that?
I think 350 now.
A million people.
joe rogan
Is it 350?
anthony cumia
350. Somewhere around there.
And, you know, we talk about hunger.
We talk about starvation and hunger and stuff.
But when you think about it, you're never driving down the road and you see a fucking vulture flying over a little kid that starved to death on the side of the road.
unidentified
Right.
anthony cumia
Everyone in this country has the ability to survive.
There's enough food in this country where people aren't starving to death.
Now, every time I say this, people say, well, there's hunger and people are not getting the nutrition.
I get it.
But we're not starving to death.
And to me, that's amazing.
And then you look at what it is.
I talk about the chicken holocaust that goes on on a daily basis.
How many fucking chickens have to die every day?
When you get wings...
And chicken legs for a party.
Every two of those is one chicken.
unidentified
I know.
anthony cumia
And you're there going like this.
Only every two.
That was a chicken.
joe rogan
And you might leave four or five of them because you'd be full.
anthony cumia
And Super Bowl Sunday?
You think you're the only person with a stack of chicken?
How many of those?
And they gotta be somewhere.
They gotta be slaughtered.
They gotta be...
And then hatched and raised.
To me, that is one of the most amazing things in this country is how people are fed In such vast fucking numbers.
joe rogan
It is amazing.
Here's another amazing thing.
We've gotten so weird that our poor people are fat.
Right?
anthony cumia
We talk about that all the time.
joe rogan
Wealthy people stay pretty lean.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they eat correct.
They're eating wise.
anthony cumia
I often thought about what American refugees would look like because you watch refugees from all around the world.
You know, you got Kurds that have to move north because people are coming in and they're just emaciated and wearing rags and things.
And like if anything happened, God forbid, where Americans were refugees and had to flee to Canada or Mexico or something, it would be the fattest...
Line of refugees.
joe rogan
We have 70% of our people are obese.
unidentified
Obese?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Isn't that the number?
Is that correct?
anthony cumia
Fucking crazy!
joe rogan
What's that?
unidentified
I think so.
jamie vernon
I was just looking at the number of wings that people ate on Super Bowl Sunday.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
anthony cumia
What is the number?
How many chickens?
jamie vernon
It's up to, from the year before, but it's up to one and a half billion wings.
anthony cumia
On Sunday?
joe rogan
On Super Bowl Sunday.
unidentified
I'm going to say it's one day.
joe rogan
So it's one and a half.
So it's 750 million chickens on Sunday.
anthony cumia
For one day.
joe rogan
So double the population of the whole country and chickens die in a day.
anthony cumia
Where do you put them?
Like, I assume in the middle of the country somewhere, there are fucking barns just full of chickens for acres, for miles!
joe rogan
They are, and pigs too.
anthony cumia
And that's not including pigs and cows and everything else that we need to eat.
When people say we gotta get rid of, like, cows, Oh, cows are causing climate change and the methane, whatever.
What are you fucking gonna replace that with?
Do you understand?
That's why people aren't starving is we become so efficient at fucking murdering animals and eating them.
joe rogan
That's horrific.
anthony cumia
You can't just all of a sudden grow fucking Some kind of soy and feed everybody.
It's just not going to work.
joe rogan
Well, it's the business model that made cities, right?
Because these people aren't growing anything.
anthony cumia
Right.
joe rogan
You live in Los Angeles.
No one's growing anything but weed.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have this gigantic population of people, and there's no farms.
anthony cumia
They don't even have their own fucking water, dude.
joe rogan
They don't have their own water.
anthony cumia
Water is imperative.
It's air and then water.
How long you'll last without air and then water?
And it's like, they don't even have their own water source.
If some catastrophe happened...
All of fucking, at least Southern California, is just going to die of thirst.
joe rogan
Well, I had a bit about this when I was talking about putting people on Mars.
They were like, we're running out of water in California.
We have climate change.
We're right next to the fucking ocean.
Are you telling me it's easier to go to another planet than to suck the salt out of the water?
You got literally three quarters of the Earth is covered in fucking water.
Get the fucking salt out of the water and fix this.
This is the dumbest way to fix it ever.
We need to go to another planet!
Do we?
Do we really?
anthony cumia
Look at all that fucking water!
And the sun can power the evaporation to desalinate water.
It's not like you need these complex...
The complex plants do it faster and at a bigger capacity.
But literally, the sun evaporating salt water will evaporate away and condense into fresh water.
So it's not something...
You know, that is unheard of in the science community.
joe rogan
But you can desalinate water pretty efficiently now.
And if they just kept innovating in that regard, I mean, think about the amount of money we spend on all kinds of things.
How about just foreign wars?
Just take a good percentage of that money that goes to the military-industrial complex and suck the salt out of the water.
anthony cumia
Suck the salt out of the water.
joe rogan
We have so many problems solved.
California just today went into a state of drought.
There's drought in California, which to me is, I feel for you, my California friends, but it's hilarious because it rains here all the time and everything's so green.
It's so lush.
I love living here.
It's green.
It rains all the time.
anthony cumia
It's green.
joe rogan
It's beautiful.
That's how it's supposed to be.
You're supposed to live in a place where it rains.
anthony cumia
Are you loving living here instead of California?
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
I love it here.
Since I've been here, I've been given 12 guns.
anthony cumia
12. Given?
joe rogan
Given.
12 guns.
Welcome to Texas.
Here's a gun.
anthony cumia
Dude, my house is in contract.
I just fucking signed the contract.
I'm waiting for the people to get there.
I'm going to South fucking Carolina.
joe rogan
South Carolina's a good spot.
anthony cumia
Another great gun state.
And, you know...
joe rogan
Nice people, too.
anthony cumia
The taxes in New York.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
anthony cumia
And I hear about Austin a lot when people go, these motherfuckers are coming from California.
unidentified
Fucking Rogan's gonna vote for these fuckers!
anthony cumia
And they're getting pissed that these traditionally red states are gonna turn blue.
New York is one of those places, though.
Between Cuomo and de Blasio, the mayor of New York City...
DeBlasio is the worst mayor in the history of mayors.
In the history of mayors.
This guy is running a city that is just fucked with crime, unemployment.
Shit is shut down.
I don't know when they think they're going to shut this COVID shutdown switch off and everything opens back up.
Every day I walk from Penn Station to 34th Street to my studio on 35th Street.
It's one block.
The horrors I witness in a one block walk, people shitting on the sidewalk, heroin addicts are just hunched over doing that fucking rock thing.
joe rogan
How much has it changed in the last year?
anthony cumia
Huge, dude.
Huge.
Like, we were living in a city that had it together.
The police were doing their jobs.
Now the cops don't even want to fuck around.
joe rogan
Because they don't want to get...
anthony cumia
They don't want...
Everything they do is a potential...
Not even...
You know, when you're a cop, you talk to a lot of cops, they sign on to know they're going to be shot at at some point.
And they're okay with that.
They're literally okay with people shooting at them.
What they didn't sign up for is spending the rest of their life in prison.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's civil lawsuits now, too.
unidentified
That's the thing.
anthony cumia
Civil lawsuits.
They've taken away their protection.
So now any person that is interacting with the cop can now sue them personally.
Always the city would get sued.
Oh, this cop did this to me.
And they'd settle out for a million bucks and, you know, that would end it.
But now they could go after the cop.
So you're destroying these people's lives.
They're accused of atrocities that rarely happen.
And it's a shame because people go, well, just go to court and that destroys your life.
People think court is like an episode of Perry Mason, an hour and you're done.
Like the idea of getting a lawyer, the time it takes to go to court every day for months, sometimes years, depending on what it is, it destroys your life.
And again, like I said, they sign on for these dangers that they knew was part of the job.
But this has just gotten to the point where these cops are going, I ain't leaving the precinct.
If a call comes in, I'll five mile an hour it and clean up the mess after.
Why would I bother injecting myself in a situation that I know is like fucking Rathacon Kobayashi Maru?
There's the no-win scenario.
You're going in there.
And anything you do is going to affect you negatively.
joe rogan
Now, there's two different people that are running for mayor now, right?
That are in the forefront.
You got Andrew Yang, and then there's that other guy.
anthony cumia
Yang, yeah, the black dude, the cop.
joe rogan
The guy who carries.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Carries a gun, pro-police.
What was his previous job?
anthony cumia
He was a cop in New York City, yeah.
joe rogan
And he is a guy that wants to clean things up.
anthony cumia
Yeah, he's tired of the crime, he's tired of the fucking...
joe rogan
What is his name?
anthony cumia
I can't remember his goddamn name.
I'm sure your producer will kick that up real quick.
joe rogan
Jamie will find it.
But this guy is becoming increasingly popular because a lot of people are agreeing with him.
anthony cumia
They're tired of it.
Here's the thing with New York, though, too.
This guy's a Democrat.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a debate tonight?
anthony cumia
Eric Adams.
joe rogan
Eric Adams.
anthony cumia
He's a Democrat, but you'll never get another Republican mayor.
Giuliani was it.
New York is so fucked with people that have come in and just can't get it out of their head that they need a Democratic...
joe rogan
Can't there be a pro-police Democrat?
anthony cumia
Well, that's him.
joe rogan
So that's what you need.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's got a good chance.
A law and order, keep it together, let's clean up the streets, Democrat.
anthony cumia
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
I think he's that guy.
joe rogan
And you're going to get the fuck out of there.
anthony cumia
I'm out.
I am fucking done.
I'm done.
Dude, the taxes I pay out on Long Island...
Are insane.
And for nothing.
If I fucking drove my car out and had to back onto a golden street and every stop sign, a fucking beautiful girl would suck my dick and I would be like, all right, I see why the taxes are so high.
joe rogan
What is the taxes at now?
anthony cumia
You're getting nothing.
Between my school taxes, because even if you don't have kids, you've got to pay your school tax.
And my property tax.
Mine is $65,000 a year I pay in property taxes in Roslyn, Long Island.
joe rogan
What is the percentage of your income you have to pay when you live in New York State between...
anthony cumia
Oh, now?
Well, just income tax?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And if you make more money, you pay more, right?
anthony cumia
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't this a situation where I think someone said that the top 1% of earners in New York City pay 50% of the taxes?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
And then Trump fucked us by not letting us deduct our state income tax from our federal.
So you used to be able to take your state income tax and write it off when you filed your federal.
You bring your taxable income down because you gave that to the New York State.
joe rogan
Right.
anthony cumia
Now, there's a number.
Once you hit that number, all the rest is part of your fucking income.
joe rogan
So they just figure, look, you're a guy who's a go-getter.
You're going to keep go-getting.
Fuck you.
Pay me.
anthony cumia
Pay me.
Fuck you.
Pay me.
And now they're trying something because they know everyone's leaving.
A lot of people are going to Florida.
Where they're trying to get some kind of a retroactive tax that will be enacted for a couple of years even after you leave.
You'll still have to pay New York.
joe rogan
California proposed that too.
Ten years.
anthony cumia
It's like, how the fuck?
First of all, it's like, remember pay phones in the old days when the phone would ring when you're done and they go, please deposit 25 cents for the last three minutes.
unidentified
Fuck you.
anthony cumia
No one put that in.
joe rogan
It would ring.
Remember that?
It would ring.
anthony cumia
You're like, who's this?
Please deposit?
Fuck off!
That's how I'm treating New York State.
If they ask me for a dime, come down to South Carolina and get me.
joe rogan
Well, it's got to be unconstitutional, isn't it?
It must be.
anthony cumia
It's got to be.
joe rogan
It has to be.
anthony cumia
It's got to be.
The revolution started for a lot less.
joe rogan
Now, do you wonder if you're in South Carolina about getting guests?
Is it more difficult to get guests?
anthony cumia
The thing COVID has done has made Zoom guests a lot more acceptable than it used to be.
I used to sit there and go like, oh, motherfucker.
Are they coming in live or is it Zoom?
Oh, it's Zoom.
I'd be like, ah, fuck.
Now, it's kind of become a thing that people don't really mind as much.
Also, I'm keeping a small place up in New York and I'm keeping the studio.
So if I have a guest that can only make it in New York and it's a good guest that I want, I'll just fly up and do it from the studios up there.
joe rogan
It's probably a quick flight too, right?
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
It's three hours, so it's nothing.
I'll just stay overnight, hang out, you know, make sure they're all fucking working up there.
joe rogan
Maybe bang a few of them out there.
Right.
And you still, Compound Media is like you have a network.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
And how many shows do you have?
anthony cumia
I have about eight shows now.
joe rogan
Is that a pain in the ass?
anthony cumia
It can be at times.
I have some really funny shows on there.
Aaron Berg and Gino Bisconti do In Hot Water.
They're like our midday show.
And I listen to them and I go like, oh, fuck.
Oh, no, that's bad.
Oh no, don't say that.
Don't do that.
They get me to go like, uh-oh.
I'll read on Twitter.
I'll be like, oh fuck, what is Aaron and Gino doing?
And I'll be like, oh no, what are they doing?
And like, I don't know, they're showing gay scat porn or something one day.
joe rogan
They're showing it?
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can do that?
Well, I guess you can, right?
anthony cumia
Do whatever the fuck I want.
joe rogan
It's a private platform.
anthony cumia
It's a private platform.
That's why I have it this way.
I knew damn well if I just opened it up, I'd end up like, you know, even Crowder.
He's got deplatformed.
Everyone gets deplatformed.
For some reason, when you're behind a paywall, They just don't fuck with you as much.
joe rogan
Well, what could they do?
What could they do to you at this point?
anthony cumia
The only thing that could really be done is way down the line.
Someone down the line that owns the fucking insulators on the telephone poles will say, I don't want his voice going around my insulator.
joe rogan
It could be an issue with the internet provider.
anthony cumia
Yeah, it's always shit like that.
But again, they understand the pay platform part of it.
They take that into consideration that we're not just popping this out for anyone to see.
You paid for it.
You want to see it.
joe rogan
And how much do they pay?
How much does it cost to join Compound Media?
anthony cumia
Oh, it's $9.95 for a month, but it's like $8 for the year.
We have a discount like that.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
anthony cumia
But there's a fuckload of shows.
We have all of the shows archived, so you could see shit when Artie Lang was my co-host.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
anthony cumia
Which is insane.
The Artie and Anthony show lasted for nine months.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
That was when Artie was in the...
How is he now?
anthony cumia
Because he's been MIA. He's been MIA because he's down in Florida.
I heard he's living with his mom, who is...
Like, they are keeping him clean.
I mean...
joe rogan
What is he doing in Florida?
anthony cumia
Pissing in a cup every week to make sure he's not doing drugs.
I think he's on some kind of a...
Conditional release from the last trouble he had where he has to stay clean.
joe rogan
But why is he not performing or doing something?
anthony cumia
Dude, it's the worst thing he could do.
unidentified
He's so good.
anthony cumia
That was the problem.
He got out of rehab, so many rehabs, and he would go right back to the stage and, you know, people are here, fucking take something for you.
You're going to the worst place.
Comedy clubs, you're Artie Lang in a comedy club.
It's the worst fucking scenario.
joe rogan
I get that, but he's such a treasure.
anthony cumia
Dude, I know.
joe rogan
He did my podcast when he was super clean.
He was clean and healthy.
He'd been clean for over a year, and he was amazing.
anthony cumia
He's one of the funniest motherfuckers you'll ever sit down and bullshit with.
joe rogan
It was an amazing show.
It was so fun.
anthony cumia
It was so funny.
It was just like, I'm not going to make it in today.
He wouldn't even say that.
He just wouldn't show up.
He used to have a hotel.
He'd get a hotel room close to the studio at a hotel that's no longer there.
And the hotel owner came to Keith, who was running Compact Media for a while, and said, we can't have him in here anymore.
And it's like, well, what happened?
He goes...
The maid walked in.
There was blood all over the room, like everywhere.
It looked like a murder scene.
I guess his nose was bleeding and stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
He was a mess.
I mean, God bless him.
I really do think and I hope that he continues with his sobriety because he's a funny motherfucker.
He would be on trashed.
And still be the funniest fucking guy in the room.
joe rogan
Oh, he's brilliant.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's always been brilliant.
And he's always been a sweetheart of a guy.
anthony cumia
The nicest fucking guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
anthony cumia
And yeah, it's just that old demon.
joe rogan
He's got that demon.
anthony cumia
As they call it.
joe rogan
That demon has got a deep root.
anthony cumia
Entrenched in him.
joe rogan
It's deep.
anthony cumia
There's no way he could just casually be around it or anything he needs.
And the fucked up thing about being in comedy is you're in a bar.
You're in a club.
You're around people that are doing drugs and stuff.
I mean, some of the most successful people that have recovered or in recovery are people that have just cut themselves off from that whole life.
They never again walk into a bar.
Maybe not never again, but years maybe.
And still they're like, eh.
But when that's your life is walking into a place where people are literally staring at you drinking, it's got to be terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a really difficult temptation to avoid.
But that's what I always said about people that are addicted to food.
Imagine, because you have to eat to live.
anthony cumia
You have to eat.
joe rogan
So you have to think about how to manage your addiction while you're also sustaining yourself through the very thing that you're addicted to.
anthony cumia
Yeah, because with alcohol and drugs, it's one of those things where, well, I just won't do it ever again.
And you can.
With food, it's like, well, I gotta do it, I just can't do as much.
And that doesn't work with drugs or alcohol the second you're right back where you were.
joe rogan
I just think it sucks that he's not doing something.
A podcast or something.
anthony cumia
I did his last podcast up here when he was clean the last time.
And it was awesome.
He was funny as fuck.
We had a great time.
It was a two-parter, actually.
We went a couple of hours.
And that was it.
He disappeared after that.
I'm like, what happened?
He was doing so well and shit.
joe rogan
Well, during the pandemic, I remember reaching out to some friends like, hey, I just got a weird feeling.
I haven't heard from Artie.
Has anybody heard from Artie?
Because I haven't seen him anywhere.
And I thought that was just strange.
So I reached out to some of my friends from New York and they were like, yeah, he's just laying low.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
It's fucked up.
Yeah, there are a couple of the comics that are very close with him, and you could get some updates.
joe rogan
But it's like, you don't want to babysit him either, right?
anthony cumia
You don't want to babysit him.
They've done it before.
I've had conversations.
When Artie came on board my show...
I went to the comedy cellar when the news broke that it was going to be the Artie and Anthony show.
And David Tell is on the stairs by the cellar smoking a cigarette.
unidentified
And he goes, oh, Artie's on your show, huh?
anthony cumia
I'm like, yeah, yeah.
He goes, ah, welcome to the wonderful world of Artie.
The Midnight Calls.
The fucking show.
joe rogan
Remember when DiPaolo and Artie had a show?
unidentified
Yes, yeah.
joe rogan
Like a regular radio show.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
Nick and Artie.
And it was funny, but...
And Nick had the conversation with me, too.
He's like...
Good luck!
joe rogan
Yeah, they're very different personalities.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do.
Nick comes on my show every Monday.
He does a show with me every Monday.
Just two angry guineas yelling about the world.
joe rogan
I just think it's sad.
anthony cumia
Shaking our fists.
joe rogan
It's sad that Artie's not doing something.
Because people love the guy.
anthony cumia
They do love him.
And that's the fucked up thing.
It's like...
I've known so many people that have had issues with drugs and alcohol and whatnot in my life.
And you give them some time.
If they don't come around, you pretty much disown them.
And they usually pull such asshole moves and they're liars and what have you.
Artie's loved.
With everything that has happened, everyone still loves this fucking guy.
joe rogan
For sure.
anthony cumia
That's why it really does hurt when you're like, ah, fuck, man, I want to see him do well.
And I want to see him on stage.
I love watching Artie perform.
He's one of the quickest motherfuckers.
Some of those Stern tapes where he is just railing on somebody, there's no one better.
It's so funny, man.
joe rogan
No, he's a genius.
He's just...
I don't know what's the path to be able to perform again.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Where you're not going to be tempted and where he's healthy enough and strong enough that he knows he's on a good path.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
Yeah, it's very hard.
Already I know and knew and was on my show.
Unfortunately, if I'm going to be honest, I can't picture that guy being able to be well and be that.
But hopefully...
The Artie I haven't seen in the past couple of years now has worked his way into being that person that can do that.
joe rogan
So when he was on your show, it was before his nose had caved in?
anthony cumia
It was during.
It was during.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
anthony cumia
I watched it happen like a car wreck.
joe rogan
When you came in, his nose was enormous and caked with blood.
What were you thinking?
anthony cumia
It was actually so funny.
There was some funny shit that happened.
I had Rich Voss on the show one day with Artie, and we're fucking bullshitting and laughing.
And Artie's nose just started, a trickle of blood started coming out.
And I see Voss looking over at him, doing the thing where he's like, Like that.
And I'm like, Rich, we all see it.
This isn't wipe a couple of grains of coke away from your nose because you just come out of the bathroom.
Everyone knows Artie's nose is bleeding.
Like, oh, is that it?
Yeah, look, look.
unidentified
I think that's where he fucking starts doing it.
anthony cumia
Yeah!
Oh, God!
Poor Artie.
He goes, I know, I'm like...
joe rogan
And Voss is clean.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah, Voss is...
joe rogan
So odd.
anthony cumia
He'll let you know he's clean.
He'll let you know how long...
joe rogan
That green screen is such a great move.
anthony cumia
Yeah, it works because we have so many different shows, is what it is.
So we're able to put a different background for every show, and that's kind of why I did it.
Once I go down to South Carolina, they're still going to use the green screen up here, but I'm going to have a regular studio built that has a dedicated background.
joe rogan
How did you pick South Carolina?
Why'd you pick that place?
anthony cumia
It worked out.
It wasn't Florida.
I didn't want to go to Florida.
joe rogan
How come?
anthony cumia
Florida has, I don't know, just a rep.
unidentified
Florida's a little weird, man.
anthony cumia
It was south...
If I'm going to move somewhere, I'm going to move somewhere where there's no fucking blizzards and shit.
I'm going to move inland a little so there's no hurricanes.
I don't have to worry about my house floating away.
The gun laws are great.
The taxes are low.
I could get a fucking legit compound.
It just worked out.
Did you scout it out?
Go up there.
I told my family that I'm going down there, and my sister, who is nothing like me and my brother, she is Dawn.
She is fucking mismotivation.
She's always had great jobs.
She's supervisors at the companies she works at.
She gets recruited from people where she's got to leave one job to go to a better one and that.
And she goes, ah, South Carolina.
Bam!
Boom!
Bing!
Bomb!
She's fucking down there.
Sold her house.
Bought a house.
Bought an apartment that she's now doing Airbnb with.
Had a job waiting for her down there with the company that she was with.
Her kid is now going to school without a fucking mask.
She goes, this is great.
Myrtle Beach is where she went.
I don't want to go to Myrtle Beach.
But that's more her style.
So after my house is sold, go down there.
What's wrong with Myrtle Beach?
unidentified
Visit her.
anthony cumia
I don't know.
It's a little too touristy.
I need somewhere where I don't want to have to go too far before I can just start firing guns.
I need some woods.
joe rogan
Did you get some land?
anthony cumia
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna.
I haven't even scouted out where I want to go yet.
I'm gonna get a realtor.
Scout out some areas and tell them what I'm looking for.
joe rogan
Don't you want to make sure that you like the area?
Like the people and get along with them?
anthony cumia
I don't really like the people I'm with now.
I live in Roslyn.
I don't really cohort with my neighbors.
They've seen enough, you know, police cars and fucking media in front of my door where I don't think they're fond of me either.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
anthony cumia
But there's a couple of neighbors that were pretty cool.
One of my neighbors on the right hand side was pretty decent.
But the cops would constantly, years ago, that house was just party central about 10 years ago.
And the Nassau County cops would pull up all the time when I'd have parties in the back.
Anthony!
Hey, what's up?
You gotta turn it down.
joe rogan
Well, you've always been real pro-cop.
anthony cumia
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They know.
They fuck it.
They're awesome.
And they go, yeah, we got a complaint.
We drove around with the windows down, and we did hear it, so if you could turn it down.
And the girls, topless, naked girls, would come out of the pools and grab the cops and be like, hi, what are you doing?
And they're like laughing their asses off.
So every progressive instance of a noise complaint...
Another car shows up.
By the end, there were literally like five cars and ten cops would come in the back.
Hey, what's up, guys?
Naked girls.
They loved it.
They fucking loved it.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
And they just wanted to come back.
joe rogan
Reminds me of the scene in John Wick when the cop shows up.
Noise complaint?
Yeah, noise complaint.
He looks in.
He goes, you working again, John?
Yeah.
Dead body in the house.
anthony cumia
You working again?
Yeah, that house was great.
It's weird when you sell a house because there's a nostalgia to it.
joe rogan
I imagine people that are fans would want to buy it.
anthony cumia
Yeah, I think there was actually a couple of people.
joe rogan
Did you let people know?
anthony cumia
Nah, I didn't really.
I let the realtor do the work.
joe rogan
It's tricky.
I don't want people coming in and out.
Because you did a lot of upgrades to that house.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
anthony cumia
The whole backyard was just flat now.
It's, you know, like a resort.
And then the basement was a cement basement.
I put a movie theater in and a studio, legit fucking studio that I would do a compound, a karaoke stage, full bar.
Yeah, it's just everyone.
I had parties there for everything.
New Year's Eve, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Fourth of July.
My family and friends would come over.
Just a great fucking time.
But there were also just horrific times in that house that I'm just like, oh, God.
joe rogan
Enough.
Start scratch.
anthony cumia
Yeah, yeah.
The rose-colored lenses sort of get a little faded when you think about, oh, that happened, and then that one, and when my girlfriend found the Canadian girl in the closet.
joe rogan
You had a girl in a closet?
Oh, no.
anthony cumia
I was going out with—this, of course, is in my book, permanently suspended— I was going out with Jill Nicolini Jill Nicolini was the traffic girl for WPIX in New York I was in love with this girl.
I watched her on TV. The O&A show, we would do that.
The studio you were at, the K-Rock, Howard's old studio.
And there were TVs all over.
And we would watch WPIX in the morning, and Jill would be in the helicopter doing the traffic.
And I'm like, motherfucker, she's hot.
Holy shit.
So she came over for my birthday.
They had invited her over there to our studio to celebrate my birthday.
And I asked her out.
And Keith hooked us up with a great restaurant in Little Italy.
And we ate there and drank some wine.
I went back to her place in Long Island City.
And, dude, it was instantaneous.
We're just fucking making out and all this kind of shit.
It was crazy.
I had to talk her into sleeping with her.
I actually used the line.
Just the tip.
I'll just put the tip in.
Dude, I want it so bad.
And, you know, it never works.
The tip goes right to the balls.
unidentified
You never do just the tip, even if you said you did.
anthony cumia
So we became an item.
It was right at the beginning of the summer.
And we were...
They were calling us Anthelini for the whole summer.
So we're having this big Labor Day party at my house, and I knew this was going to be a big thing.
And during the summer, I started getting these clues that she was kind of looking for a father for a baby kind of a thing.
And I'm like, yeah, no, I can't see it.
She was going to take it a little more serious than I was.
joe rogan
You don't want kids ever.
anthony cumia
No, no, I've just, no, I'm not cut out for that kind of lifestyle.
So she plans this big party and this girl I had been involved with a while back from Canada, Halifax, was down.
So she came in and we're kind of sitting in the jacuzzi and Jill kind of noticed some shit was going on.
You know, we might have been a little too close in those bubbles.
You hide everything with the fucking jacuzzi bubbles, just grabbing each other's fucking crotches and things.
So Jill leaves, and I go up to my bedroom and have some sex with the Canadian girl, and then I hear the door open, and it's Jill.
She's come back.
So I have these big walk-in closets, and the Canadian girl just goes into the fucking closet, and I'm laying there.
And Jill comes over, and she's like, what's up?
unidentified
I'm like, I just woke up.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
anthony cumia
Dude, she fucking goes down on her knees, pulls the fucking blanket back, and just starts sucking my dick.
And then she goes...
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Hmm.
unidentified
Hmm.
anthony cumia
Yeah.
She had...
joe rogan
She tasted another girl.
Oh my god.
anthony cumia
Joe, like I said, I am a piece of shit.
Are you laughing?
It's hilarious.
She goes to one of the walk-in closets.
There's two on the other side of the wall.
And opens it up and looks in and then shuts it.
And she's yelling at me about shit.
And I'm denying everything, of course.
And I'm like, oh my god, she didn't open the other closet.
This is amazing.
So she's walking around, kind of yelling at me.
And then she looks.
And I'm like, oh fuck.
She opens up the other closet.
There's like half-dressed Canadian girl who just goes, hey.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
anthony cumia
Oh, that was...
joe rogan
It was a rough one.
anthony cumia
It was bad.
She took...
She left and then she came back later and grabbed all the Canadian girls' clothes and everything, her luggage, threw it in the fire pit and lit it on fire.
All that was in there were like underwires for bras.
She burnt everything.
joe rogan
Why was she mad at her?
anthony cumia
You know, it's hard to get...
I'm charming.
It's hard to get mad at me.
joe rogan
Oh boy.
I'm charming, he says.
anthony cumia
I'm charming.
unidentified
Speaking of charming.
anthony cumia
It was terrible.
Dude, this was years ago.
I've grown as a person.
joe rogan
You're a changed man.
I've grown.
When is your Vulcan shows?
anthony cumia
That would be tomorrow and Saturday night.
Tomorrow we're also doing, after the show, is a karaoke thing.
We're going to have a bunch of people go in.
joe rogan
So when this airs, it'll be that.
That night.
Because this will go out tomorrow.
So this will go out Friday.
anthony cumia
Okay, so yeah.
Friday, Saturday night.
joe rogan
At Vulcan.
anthony cumia
At Vulcan, yeah.
joe rogan
And you're going to come to the Creek in the Cave tonight.
unidentified
We'll hang out.
anthony cumia
Yes!
Creek in the Cave.
I've got to see.
Fuck yeah, Joe.
I'm looking forward to it.
I missed you, bro.
Bra.
joe rogan
Well, it was good times, my friend.
We just did three hours, believe it or not.
It flew by.
anthony cumia
It really did.
joe rogan
And again, the reason why I'm doing this, a big part of how this got started, is because of you.
anthony cumia
I'm honored hearing that.
unidentified
It's true.
anthony cumia
You know what?
You've taken the ball and really fucking run with it, Joe.
Amazing.
Love you.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
I love you, too.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Thank you, everybody.
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