Georges St-Pierre reveals how his early bullying and martial arts training shaped his confidence, contrasting MMA’s rushed career progression with boxing’s gradual development. He warns against over-reliance on emotion or external help, citing lessons from losses like Serra and Condit, while debating whether modern fighters surpass legends through accumulated knowledge. Rogan and GSP critique Jake Paul vs. Ben Askren as mismatched, fearing injury over spectacle, and discuss Silva’s GOAT debate amid AI concerns—Musk and Harris warn of humanity’s future risks as tech evolves. They ponder Neuralink’s brain-to-brain potential, UFO theories tied to element 115, and ancient sites like Göbekli Tepe, questioning lost civilizations and the fragility of human progress. [Automatically generated summary]
Because, man, sometimes, you know, I can train all day, you know, but if I do something like this, like autograph signing or any, like, things that require more, I would say, You know, meet and greet and stuff like that, that take more out of me than a physical, something physical like a training.
I said, I'm intimidating talking to you, Lex, because I cannot teach you anything.
You know, like, you can teach me stuff.
I can learn from you.
You cannot, you know, in regards of perhaps martial art, yes, but in terms of life, I'm like, in terms of knowledge, you can teach me so much more than I can do.
I never, like, before I met Lex, like, yesterday, before that, I thought that free will was just an illusion and everything is a result of causality, right?
I think it's like many things involving human beings.
There's not an absolute in one side or the other.
For sure, free will is a thing.
Because we both know about discipline.
We both know how difficult it is.
Like you know more than anybody how difficult it is when you're in like a full training camp and you're exhausted, but you know you have the work that you have to do.
And there's some people that will find a way out of that work.
They'll quit or they'll not answer their phone or they'll take time off.
And then there's other people that will just bite down and deal with it and be uncomfortable but do the work.
That's free will.
That's discipline.
But why can you do it and why can other people not do it?
How much of your personality was instilled upon you because of your genetics, because of your life experiences, because of the environment that you grew up in?
How much of it was the people that you experienced when you were younger that showed you the value and the benefit of hard work?
And how many of the people that you mirrored were lazy and then found excuses?
Or if trees fall down, we're not going to say the trees decide to break.
Maybe the asymmetry of the tree makes it fall down.
There's a reason why.
But I feel that us as human beings sometimes, our ego, want us to be...
In control of the universe, which is, I do not believe it's the case.
So that's why I tend to, before I met Lex, I was 100% convinced there is no free will.
And, you know, everything is determined by causality.
Now I'm not so sure because we talk about consciousness, what it is, and he had some incredible argument and he made me see a different point of view that I never seen before.
Like, Matt Frazier was on my podcast a couple of weeks ago.
He was a five-time CrossFit champion.
And one of the things that he does now, he has this art collection that he's selling on his website.
And it's all these inspirational quotes.
And the idea is to put up this art with all these inspirational quotes and that will give you fuel to get through your workouts or get through difficult things that you want to do in your life.
How many people post inspirational things online?
And then how many people read those things and get excited and it inspires them to action?
Well, however, there's, for example, a A quote that can inspire you.
But to me, it doesn't have the same effect because of my background.
It doesn't get me to my core because I cannot rely really much to it.
So it's a little bit of determinism because it's the causality that makes it who I am and who you are that The effect of that quote as on you is different than it has on me.
I think the real problem is people that are convinced one way or the other.
That's the real problem.
Because it is an open-ended conversation.
I don't think they're really...
I think determinism is a real factor.
But I also think will is a real factor too.
In that there's something about...
The open-ended variability of your decisions and what you decide to do and what you don't decide to do.
There's moments in your life where you go, fuck it, I'm going to go for it.
And when you do go for it, your life changes.
What makes you say, fuck it, I'm going to go for it?
It depends entirely on what happened that day to you.
It depends entirely on how you feel, whether or not you got rest, whether or not you broke up with a girlfriend, or she broke up with you, or you got fired from a job, or you quit a job, or you took on a new path in life.
All those different things play a factor.
But there's also your own personal decision making that's based on your own personality and maybe your own life experiences.
There's so many things involved.
But for sure, we all value discipline.
We all value the ability to take action.
Well, why do we do that?
Because we know it's a variable.
It comes and goes.
It ebbs and flows.
And sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not.
It's like, what is that expression?
There's an old expression.
I don't remember who said it, but that inspiration is like bathing.
It's effective, but you need to do it daily.
And I think there's something to that.
It's like you need to seek out inspiration.
And that's why, again, people like David Goggins are so inspirational because you can go to his page every day and that motherfucker's running 30 miles a day.
There's one, it's like, yeah, you are a lot of who you are because of genetics and because of life experience and because of all the things that have happened to you.
But there's also decisions that you make.
There's lines in the sand where you draw.
There's moments where you say, I'm going to do something different now.
I'm tired of this shit.
Like people that are drunk their whole life and fucked up on drugs and then one day they go, enough.
Enough.
I don't want to do this anymore.
I'm going to change.
And they have inspiration.
And then they go to a 12-step program.
They meet other people that also have inspiration.
It helps if you face it at a very young age because it molds you.
Especially if you're able to overcome it.
Because if you've never faced adversity before, and when you face it for the first time and you're not prepared for it, it can break you.
It can make you fold.
You see that very often in a career of a In mixed martial arts, some of the guys, they've been protected for too long, and then when they face a real challenge, they fall.
Same thing in anything.
And I think guys, perhaps like David Goggins, or when I heard their backstories, because they faced adversity, they had to face an incredible amount of adversity, and they were able to overcome each of it.
And they become stronger because what doesn't kill you make you stronger, right?
His kids are not used to learn the importance of hard work.
You know what I mean?
I think it's very important to teach that to kids.
The importance of hard work, the importance of adversity.
The importance of, you know, not to break them right when they're young and make them lose their confidence, because I believe confidence is everything, right?
If you don't have, you can have all the skills in the world, but if you don't have confidence, it's like someone who has a lot of money in his bank account, but no way of accessing it.
So, by facing adversity and overcoming it, you're building your confidence.
This is a good point of discussion because the way mixed martial arts fighters, particularly in the large organizations, whether it's the UFC or Bellator or what have you, they're developed very differently than boxing.
In boxing, they take a fighter and the goal is to keep that fighter undefeated as long as possible.
Until they can get them a title shot.
And a really good manager and a really good trainer will progressively increase the level of the opponents that they face.
They'll give you an opponent that's a very good inside fighter, give you an opponent who's got a longer reach and fights very well from the outside, and show you all these various problems that you're going to encounter when you face a world-class opponent.
Whereas in the MMA, you just get fucking thrown into the wolves.
I believe the reason why it is like that is because if you look at the UFC, for example, look at UFC, the way they promote the event.
UFC is like the Vaseline of petrol jelly.
People don't say, hey, I watch mixed martial arts.
They say, I watch UFC. So the way they promote it, it's UFC 226, this guy versus this guy on the bottom, but they promote the UFC. They don't promote the fighter.
They promote mostly the brand.
And it's very smart because they have the monopoly over the others, right?
Well, my hope is that the technology, medical technology, will improve to the point where we can regenerate neurons and help people that have CTE. That's my real hope.
And there is some light on the horizon when it comes to that.
There are some therapies that are available now that were not available just 5-10 years ago.
And people have cognitive problems, memory problems, and it turns out they're experiencing CTE. Dr. Kent in Boston told me that if you know any kids, if you have any kids, don't ever let him get hit on the head.
Or if you play soccer, never hit the ball with your head.
Football, no contact.
Because before puberty, He clearly made me understand that the damage is way worse.
And you know, see some parents, sometimes they grab their kids like this and they shake them.
This is like terrible, terrible.
So it's a very hard path.
And you know, one of the happiest places for me to go and the saddest place to go, it's the gym.
When I go train to the gym.
It's the happiest place for me to go because I can practice the sport that I love, because I love training, you know, I love the science of fighting.
And it's very sad, too, because after training, there's always some guys that come to me because they seek some advice.
And I always give them advice regarding fighting.
A lot of them, my advice for them would be, hey bro, you should hang up your gloves and find a real job.
Because I've seen this movie and it's not a good ending, my friend.
Well, the reason why champions are so exceptional is because it's so hard to become a champion.
It's so rare.
All the stars have to align.
You have to have mental prowess, physical prowess.
You have to have great coaching.
You have to have...
So many different factors have to come together.
And also fortune.
I mean, your guy has been through some surgeries.
And we all know guys who...
They get injured and they can never even train again.
It happens.
It's unusual, but it can happen.
And we were dealing with this...
This giant hurricane of possibilities for someone to come out of that and be a George St-Pierre or be a Khabib Nurmagomedov or a Jon Jones or someone who's exceptional.
It's so rare.
So when someone's kid comes up to you and says, I'm going to be the next world champion, you're like...
There's so many guys that are really talented, but they have meathead coaches.
And the coaches train them the wrong way so they spar full blast in the gym and then they go out and they lose and then their coach has them sparring a couple weeks after they get knocked out and that kind of shit.
And they don't have the technical prowess, the technical proficiency to teach a child or a kid or an athlete right.
When I fight someone, it happens very often in my career.
Like, when I fight someone...
You have a connection with the guy you fight.
A lot of things happen here.
And real fighters will know that when I'm talking about the connection that we have because you look at each other and this connection you cannot see it when you watch a fight on TV. But very often in most of my fight When I went to decision, I could see the guy breaking, folding.
Like, he's letting me know that he doesn't fight to win anymore.
He's fighting to not lose.
And like I said earlier, it's not up to me trying to...
Trying to push the pace, trying to finish him and increasing my risk of getting caught by a counter punch and getting knocked out.
You know, it's up to him to take the risk, you know, because he's losing the fight.
And the idea in this game, you want to save yourself for another day.
I mean, it's sad to say for the fan, but this is the truth.
If you win and that's what you're doing is good, you win...
You're winning the fight, you know?
You're gonna get paid the same amount of money.
Of course, if you have like an highlight reel, something like that, it could increase your pay.
But in terms of your career, I believe you should see your career as a marathon, not as a sprint.
So you kind of save yourself.
And a lot of time I fought guys, I could see in their face that, oh, he doesn't want to be there anymore.
Like, I know I'm winning the fight before even the fight is over.
They get desperate.
Of course, they're going to throw a haymaker or something, but I know they're not going to take any risk because they're hurt.
They lost already.
They know that I'm better than them.
And that's when I know I get the fight.
And I know that I just need to be on cruise control.
I can win if they don't...
Like, it's hard to finish someone who doesn't fight to win anymore.
There's guys that were very scary in the beginning, but then after, when some other guys figured out how to beat them, they're like, oh, okay, they're not so scary anymore.
But that's always one of the reasons why champions are champions, is that they are self-critical.
If you just think everything you do is amazing and you don't have any room for improvement...
I think some of the reason why champions become champions is this terrible discomfort of analyzing themselves and not liking certain aspects of what they're doing and finding flaws in their technique or watching a tape.
Ah, I shouldn't have got hit with that.
Why is that?
You get crazy and angry and then you train harder.
The people that are self-satisfied, they're really easily satisfied with their work, they never reach the level of champion because they don't feel that horrible discomfort.
When you're looking at yourself and you don't like what you see.
But I think psychologically for a fighter, it's hard to come back from a knockout.
But it's probably harder to come back from a fight where you've been dominated and broken for five rounds, like where you clearly know that you did not belong there with the team.
Khabib, that's his style.
That's why I'm saying he's the scariest guy.
He can knock you out, submit you, but if he wins the fight, it's very less likely that it's going to be on a punch that clips you.
It can happen, but it's going to be on a very dominant performance.
When you know you're always going to be second place, you're never going to beat the champion, and then you have to continue fighting.
There's that moment where you see a fighter who was a promising prospect early in his career, and then somewhere along the line, he accepts the fact that he's a journeyman.
He fights to put up a good fight, but he doesn't fight to be the best in the world.
And I always tell guys, if you're not trying to be the best in the world, you should probably get out.
You can enjoy it.
Don't listen to me.
Do whatever you like.
If you enjoy just competing, if you're happy being someone who just competes and you're just trying to do your best every time, there's nothing wrong with that.
But in my opinion, if you started out to be the best in the world and then somewhere along the line you changed and you don't want to be the best in the world anymore, you just want to compete, just get out.
I think it's really great that you still enjoy martial arts even after you're done fighting.
You still love to train and improve.
We were talking about how the fact that you just trained with Freddie Roach, and before this we were talking about how you're going to go to Puerto Rico and train with the Donna Hurt Death Squad.
You're going to go down and train with those guys.
You're literally going to go to a fucking island to go do Jiu Jitsu.
I like the confidence that martial arts give me because I started when I was very young and it saved my life because I started when I was bullied in school and it became an habit and if I don't do it, I'm not happy and I don't feel confident.
I remember when I was a kid, I was looking at myself in the mirror and I didn't like myself.
I didn't like what I saw in myself because I wanted to change my environment.
Martial art taught me that if you want to change your environment, you want to change yourself, you need to love yourself first.
And I learned how to love myself.
I didn't love right away in the beginning who I was, but I loved who I could become.
And I wanted to become that person that I visualized, the idea George St. Pierre that I could become.
That's when I started training.
And that's when I started looking at people in the eyes instead of looking down.
And when I shake someone's hand, I have firm grip.
And when the teacher was asking a question before, I was always like this, always the last to answer.
Now I was taking charge.
Hey, I know the answer.
Five plus five, it's ten, for example.
Yeah.
I exteriorize myself.
I got out of my comfort zone.
And it start building up my confidence.
And you know, like in life, the bully, it's like a predatory animal.
It will never hunt the strong alpha male.
It will go for the weak.
And it's the same thing.
So I wish I could tell you I get out of my bullying Because I kick all their ass, because I've learned karate.
But that's not how it happened.
It happened because I gained confidence.
And by gaining confidence, I became someone different.
I became a different person.
And that's why I like to go to Puerto Rico to train.
Because if I don't have martial art, if I walk to a place, Perhaps it's the remnants of what happened in the past for me.
I will not feel confidence.
Maybe it left a scar in my mind.
I'm not a psychologist, but perhaps that's what a psychologist will tell me.
I think it is with you, because I think that scar forces you to continue to grow and learn.
And even though your competitive career as a professional and as a champion may or may not be done, depending on whether or not Dana White shows up for a check.
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You need to show up with a good check and at the right time.
Houston people are like, everybody's been so nice to me.
The food is fantastic.
But when I fought Matt Serra, you talk about quitting.
I was blamed.
Because everybody saw me at the time like the best new thing.
And I was fighting a guy that the odds were incredibly in my favor.
I don't remember.
I think it was 11 to 1. And when I lost, I got punched by a looping punch that I never saw coming.
And I got dizzy and I made the mistake to try to get back into the fight right away.
And boom, boom, boom, I end up on my back and...
I knew that it was finished for me because I didn't know where I was.
So I turn on the side and I tap on strike.
And then a lot of people say, oh, he tapped on strike.
He's a quitter.
But people, sometimes they should understand, they should know when they're done.
Why would I take unnecessary damage and be unconscious?
I was able to save myself perhaps for another day.
And those extra punches that perhaps I would have taken and knocked me out cold, Would have made it in a way that I would have perhaps because the brain damage never have to be able to come back and have the greatest run that I had after.
So when you say you quit, it's true.
It's not because you quit that it doesn't make you better.
Some people say he's a quitter, but you quit perhaps to save yourself.
Maybe there's a reason.
But the experience that I went through, it was the most humiliating moment of my career.
I wouldn't say to my life because I had worse thing in the past.
But in my career, it was no doubt the most humiliating moment.
And it was a nightmare for me.
It became an obsession.
It was always in the back of my head and I never wanted this thing to ever happen again.
And then, I remember during the fight of Carlos Condit, I got kicked in the head and I got dropped on my butt like this.
And that...
Scenarios that happen with Matt Serra is playing in my mind.
Sometimes in the fight, the time stops.
And it's like in Rocky, you know, like you see, it goes slow motion and you have time to think about stuff that seems to take more times.
So I'm in my butt and I see Carlos Condit coming to me and I'm like, I've seen this before.
And I know now that if I try to stand up right away to get back in the fight because of my ego to show him that I'm not hurt and show the people that I'm not hurt, I might get knocked out.
So I step on my ego, I lean back, I use the guard, the shield to parry the punches and I'm able to survive it because now I know that It's the loss of Matt Serra and the experience that I gained from it that made me survive that kick to the head that Carlos Condit gave me.
And it's so hard for people to separate themselves and just say, no, I'm here to work and to improve.
The problem is you get tagged.
You're like, oh, you motherfucker.
And the next thing you know, you're in a war in the gym.
And you can only have so many of those.
If you have a punch card, this is your life.
You have a certain amount of shots you can take where you get really rocked You'll have certain amount and if you want to give up all those in the gym and we've all seen guys like that Where they you know a great example is when Travis Luter fought Marvin Eastman.
Did you ever see that fight?
Yeah, yeah, yeah He just connected with one punch and it was like on the end of the punch It didn't seem like the biggest punch and Marvin Eastman went out cold and it turned out that Marvin Eastman had been KO'd I believe twice in the gym leading up to that fight And it's happened multiple times where you see guys get hit and they go unconscious.
And you're like, why did that guy go out so easy?
And you go, oh, he got knocked out in the gym before the fight.
I knew BJ Penn had the best reaction time, but I knew also he had a poor reset time.
And poor reset time is the guy told me that when I fought BJ Penn the second time, I knew that if I come into the fight, I couldn't go first because he was too fast.
What I did is...
Because the nervous system is like a muscle.
If you do a lot of reps, you get tired fast.
You might be like a sprinter at a very good start, but you will get tired fast.
So when I fought BJ Penn the first fight, when I tell you that when you fight someone, there's like a relation that happened up here that nobody sees around.
When I fought BJ Penn, I was faking a lot, showing him all these creativity.
What you want to do is you want to load up his nervous system by showing him different things, different threats, kick, punch, fake it, anything you want to do that stimulates him.
If you stay in front of him and you don't move, that will not make him flinch, nothing like this.
So you need to make him flinch, even if it's not real, but you need to make him react.
And if you make him react...
He will flinch and get tired.
His nervous system will get tired and he won't.
His reaction time will slow down.
That's why I was able to get him.
And that's why I was able to figure out a lot of guys that I was fighting.
Well, you had different approaches to different fighters too.
It's really interesting if you look at your career, you had a different approach to Thiago Alves, then you did to Josh Koscheck, then you did to John Fitch.
Every fight, you came in with a different strategy and a different approach.
Yes, and I knew also with that guy, That certain people have different blind spots.
For example, if you look at Chuck Liddell, you get caught very often with the same punch, the same looping punch.
My weakness for me, personally, I'm telling you, it was the things that come from under.
Because...
Because the stance I was always in, you know, more like a karate stance, lower stance, my stance was wider, ready for a takedown.
Because I was kind of looking up a little bit.
And if you look up, the thing that comes from under, you don't see it as well.
If you fight tall, you look down.
The thing that comes from the top, you see it as well.
So Chuck Liddell was more upright.
Things that come from the top.
And that you can study.
It's a blind spot.
And it's important to know.
It's very important to know.
And I'm aware of it.
When I decided to make the comeback against Bisping, first it was Luke Rockle that was the champion.
So I was, you know, nobody knew at the time, but we were...
Thinking about the comeback, when John brought me that idea, we were thinking about how could we fight.
It was Luke Rockall at the time.
And before Luke Rockall, I would never have made it because it was Chris Weinman.
And Chris Weinman is a teammate, is part of the same team.
I would never go up and challenge a guy from the same team.
But when it was Luke Rockall, I was, you know, looking at it.
And we were starting to, you know, because I'm always...
I always liked to be ahead of the curve, so I was trying to think about these kinds of stuff and study them.
But then Bisping messed up all the plan and I had to re-switch and learn about Bisping, you know?
So it was an interesting time.
But these are...
When you talk about secret weapons that fighters have, secret knowledge, these are one of the things.
And you don't talk about those things when you're an active fighter because you keep it for yourself.
And now...
There is a lot of stuff that now I see a lot of other guys are doing it, but back in the day, not much people did it.
Like tests with the eyes, it helps for a blind spot.
you had a doctor in Montreal that does that, you know, like, like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, like the beep test reactions to, Yeah, I believe, like, I mean, there is no scientific proof.
But I do believe it increases your reaction times and it can help with blind spots.
In Montreal, when I get ready for fight, I have the same thing with lights.
I see and I have symbols.
Different symbols is different feet.
Sometimes it's one feet, left feet, sometimes it's right.
So because the feet, it takes more time for my nervous system to get the information and move my feet.
So that's why the doctor told me he did it with the feet.
However, I don't know if it clearly makes a difference because fighting is very specific.
But what I can tell you for sure, and this is from my experiences, if I do that kind of training, because I've done the mistake before, if I do that nervous system training and then I'm going to do a gymnastic training, My next training is horrible.
I have the worst training.
So it burns your nervous system.
And it's really true.
This I can guarantee you from my experience that is the truth.
So it's like my nervous system is so tired that when I try to do a...
Like a half tuck flip.
I couldn't even do it.
I was all messed up.
And I remember, man, bro, I almost hurt myself one time because of it.
I did this training and like two hours after I went to do gymnastics, I almost hurt myself.
And my gymnastic coach told me, I remember I said, what's wrong, George?
I said, I don't know, man.
I think I've done my...
We call it Apex.
I did the Apex training for the nervous system and blind spot and reaction time.
I think I messed up, so I changed my training for something more slow.
But man, I was really messed up.
So that's why it's a real thing.
It's not Fugazi.
If you fake the guy, you make him flinch, you make him react, you stimulate his nervous system with all kinds of different threats, he will get tired and that will work.
I think it is a real thing, and I think it makes sense that you could get better endurance at that, just like you can get better at doing anything, whether it's running or hitting the bag or sparring or jiu-jitsu.
It makes sense that if you just did those reaction time drills over and over again, it would increase your reaction time.
Like, what did you think about, like, Max Holloway for, in my opinion, one of his finest performances was against Calvin Cater, and he didn't spar at all.
And another one is, you know, Cedric Dumbay?
Cedric Dumbay, who fights for glory, who, in my opinion, is one of the greatest...
So I don't think when you have the experience, sparring is very important because sparring is very different than the timing that you will face in the fight.
However, I'm still saying that sparring is the most similar thing that you will have to face when you compete in mixed martial arts.
You know what I mean?
But it's still very different.
And I think also that when you are in great shape, the thing is, if you're in great shape for a fight, You know, you will have more, better creativity.
Because when you get tired, it's like a horse, you know, who has like a mask like this.
Your creativity diminish.
And you always go back to what you do best.
It's like, oh, you forgot all the other things.
And we talked about like performance enhancing drugs.
And sometimes they say, oh, it's not the punch that knock you out.
That's the favorite excuses of people who are cheating.
But if...
You would not have used these things.
You wouldn't have the physical abilities that you have.
And perhaps you would have been shrink like this and you wouldn't have that creativity.
So that's what I'm saying.
Creativity is very important for a fighter.
And sometimes creativity is linked directly with physical condition.
So his body is conditioned to have a much higher threshold for endurance than the average fighter who's just doing normal mitt work, normal bag work, normal road work.
Everything he's doing is like sprint recovery.
And he has a really good physical trainer that came with him to the podcast.
And the guy waited, and then afterwards they did their workout together.
And if you look at Max Holloway's fights and all of his time in the gym and then his kickboxing fights before he ever fought in MMA, he's got all this striking and all this timing already down.
So for him, it's like, why take the big hits?
He understands it now.
It's mostly reaction drills and endurance.
And Max is another one.
Tremendous endurance.
And also, tremendous ability to take a punch.
It's one of the most underrated things about Max that people forget.
He's never even been knocked down.
And he's been in wars.
He has a tremendous chin.
And I think part of that chin, particularly in the fights, the most recent fights, is the fact that he's not taking any damage in training.
If the fight in mixed martial art is 15, perhaps 25 minutes, you want to know...
How much intensity you can give for that amount of time, not for two hours.
You know what I mean?
And this is where the training differ in, for example, in jujitsu, wrestling, and mixed martial art.
And that's when you need to be smart.
I believe if you get accustomed to a jujitsu pace, When you compete in mixed martial arts, you might have a hard time to adapt because Jiu Jitsu is a slower pace.
It's not as dynamic.
One thing I did to get ready for my fight with Michael Bisping to make me more opportunist, John's was making me do 3 minute rounds.
Instead of doing five-minute rounds, because you're never going to spend an entire five minutes on the ground in MMA, it's very unlikely.
Normally, you'll have like three-minute rounds, and then you have like perhaps, like I was taking a minute off, then another guy, three minutes.
So it made me roll at a higher pace, more importantness.
So when I was switching partner, I knew I had only three minutes.
I was giving everything I had in three minutes because I wanted to submit him.
I was more hungry.
And I knew after that I could recuperate and do the same thing to the next guy.
But if I'm going with a guy of five minutes, man, I knew if I submit him, I have another maybe two minutes left, so I'm going to cast out.
So I become...
I made myself used to a different pace.
And that's what I believe.
And same thing in wrestling.
In wrestling training, in wrestling competition, you spend hours in competition.
Then you have a match, then you relax.
Then you have another match.
So the wrestling training that I have in Montreal, that's how it's designed.
It's normal because it's for a wrestling competitor.
However, for martial art, especially when my fight is coming up, I need to modify that.
So I don't stay as long in the room as the other guys.
I get there, do my warm-up, do my matches, my live match, shake in, thank you, bye-bye.
Same thing in Jiu-Jitsu.
When I was getting ready for Michael Bisping, I was going with some of the monsters from the squad.
You know, Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, Jake Shield was there.
I had an incredible elite team with me.
It was unbelievable.
I was very well prepared.
So, if I would have had perhaps the same opportunity I had with that choke, maybe I would not have been...
Willing to take it if I would have had it earlier in my career because I was more on a slower pace, grappling pace, so to speak.
You know what I mean?
I was more on a control pace, ground and pound, instead of a finishing...
The people, they make the mistake sometimes when they have a rear naked choke, they go like this.
And also, they try to pull.
You don't want to pull.
You want to crunch your abs.
And that's...
I think I was able to do that because the way that my training was designed, I became more opportunist.
I had more like a killer's instinct.
And sometimes guys tend to say that, oh, you lose that with time.
But I think you can get it back.
It's just the way you design your training.
And if you always go with training partner who are just as good or better than you, It will make you practice your defense and it might decrease your creativity in offense in a way that you know because if you know if you if you try something that miss you might get cut right so I believe even if you're a champion if you're an elite you need to go with guys that are your level but also guys that are not as good as you Eddie Bravo always
stressed this he always said the best way to get good at jujitsu is to spar with blue belts Roger Gracie, when he moved to England, that's when he became so successful.
Yeah, and as you were saying earlier, you have to learn to be playful.
It's easier to be playful when you're going with someone who's not quite at your level.
You have to have a varied diet.
You have to have people that are elite, where you have to know what it feels like to be in there against an elite fighter, but also people that aren't as elite so you can practice things.
Because if you're used to have different training partners, the bigger is your range, the better you will be able to adapt and become the perfect nemesis of different kinds of styles.
Oh, a smaller, stockier opponent.
Oh, a longer, bigger reach guy.
Yes.
And I think it's good also...
To make it playful, but to make your training partner also that it's a game.
We say sometimes that you don't want to fix something that is not broken, but I think it's wrong.
I think when you're on top, you need to fix something that is not broken because otherwise the sport will catch up to you.
You need to innovate.
And if you stay there, the sport will catch up to you.
You know what I mean?
Of course, Conor, he's not champion and he had a few losses, but you need to have a reality check if you want to stay there and be successful, I believe, you know?
Is that fascinating to you that this one thing has emerged that's been one of the most important weapons to learn how to avoid and block and implement?
So if you are fighting someone who's standing orthodox and you're standing orthodox, your left leg would be in front and you would just pick it up and they would kick your heel instead of kicking your calf.
Some guys are doing a good job of turning their foot outside though and catching it on the shin instead of catching it on the calf.
Did you see Pedro Munoz versus Jimmy Rivera?
Good fight, right?
Pedro Munoz was landing the calf kicks, but then when Jimmy Rivera was trying to hit him, Pedro was turning his foot outward and catching it right on the shin.
However, depending on your background, once again, I'm from karate background, so I'm used to fight sideways because karate is designed for street fight.
You want to protect your center line.
If you do that, in the history fight, they will kick you in the balls, you know, because your center line is all open.
So when you fight, like me, it would be hard to do because I won't have enough time to turn like that.
It depends.
Everybody is...
There are some techniques that will work for you better than it will work for me and vice versa.
I still think to this day that the most underutilized technique in MMA that I think will eventually be more utilized is the front leg techniques.
You see it with Wonderboy in particular.
He's really good at like throwing sidekicks and keeping guys off and front leg round kicks.
There was guys when I was doing Taekwondo that were so fucking good with their front leg you couldn't get close to them.
And I always felt like, man, if those guys could learn everything else, if those guys could learn Muay Thai, if they could learn takedown defense and jujitsu, they'd be devastating because their front leg was so good.
There was a guy named Larry Jones, and I used to spar with him all the time, and Larry's legs went all the way up the fuck up to here.
It went up to his tits.
It was crazy.
He had the longest legs.
I mean, his upper body was like a normal length, but he was like six foot three.
But it was all long legs.
And when Larry would spar people, He was really light on his foot and relaxed and he would stand sideways and you were terrified of his front leg.
You couldn't get close to him because it was like a jab.
It's fascinating that you just said Joe because what you just said it's Bruce Lee like talks about it like in his books like When he says, you use your longest weapon against the nearest point of my opponent.
Yeah, like you're a sidekick to the thigh, to the knee.
I mean, that's what it is.
I truly believe.
That in martial art, there's three different dimensions, right?
They're the competitor, like I do, like in UFC. It's the real thing, you know?
It's about timing.
There's the choreography, like what you see, for example, on TV, the stuntmen.
They are incredible.
They do stuff that I cannot do.
They are the best in their field.
And there's also the philosopher.
I would say Bruce Lee, yeah, of course, he could do the two other dimensions.
And when you're a martial artist, I think you have all three dimensions, but there is one that you're mostly better at.
And Bruce Lee, I believe, what he brings to the world was his philosophy.
I think he's known because of his philosophy, not necessarily because Hollywood made him a fighter and everything, but I think the truth is that His philosophy is really the thing that really changed the world.
It changed my life.
He could be a good fighter, but sometimes people say, hey, what happened if you would put him in UFC? I don't think.
Times has changed since then.
Even the guys that used to compete in UFC, in the first few UFC, you cannot put them in the octagon right now.
It would apply to Bruce as well, but his philosophy, man...
I think people don't understand how revolutionary it was.
Because in the 1970s, when Bruce Lee was doing like Enter the Dragon, the people that were martial arts practitioners were convinced that their style was all you needed to learn.
When I was doing Taekwondo, my instructor would tell me, I would go to a boxing gym and train with boxers, and they would tell me, you don't need to do that.
You can work your hands here.
I'm like...
Can I, though?
Because I'm going to the boxing gyms.
I'm getting fucked up.
My hands are not as good.
I need to learn with people that are really good boxers.
So I would go and train with professional boxers, and then I was realizing all the flaws in my technique.
I wouldn't have learned that in the gym.
And then I would go and train with judo guys, and I'd be like, oh, I didn't know it was so easy to throw me around.
You need to know, and the only way to know is to go to these different places.
But Bruce Lee...
Back then, put everything together.
I was watching, my daughters did martial arts when they were younger, but they're not really into it anymore, but sometimes they'll watch movies with me and shit, and I was watching Enter the Dragon, the opening scene of Enter the Dragon when he's got the mixed martial arts gloves on.
But there's innovators and you can't compare them to people that have learned and already moved past his footsteps.
Because he carved the path.
He carved the path, and by the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, if you read that book, and I read that book cover to cover like 20 times, he combined martial arts in a way.
He said, absorb what's useful.
Take what's useful.
And throw out everything else.
And there were so many martial artists that hated him because of that.
Because of what he was saying was, like, that it didn't matter if you were doing karate or if you were doing Muay Thai, whatever it was.
Just find out what works and put them together.
Put them all together.
And...
People did not like hearing that back then because if you were running a karate school, you were trying to tell your students this was all you needed to learn.
That's it.
But he knew.
I talked to Gene LaBelle, and Gene LaBelle taught him about grappling.
And one of the things that Gene LaBelle did when they first worked together, Gene LaBelle grabbed him.
Gene LaBelle was a fucking massive guy.
He was built like a bear and phenomenal judo player, national champion, elite of the elite.
He grabbed a hold of...
And Bruce Lee was like, oh shit!
unidentified
Like, he realized, like, I'm helpless against this fucking gorilla.
I told a guy that he wanted to do exclusively for sports, you know, for games.
But for instructional, this is a game changer.
And I don't think the athletes get better.
I don't think Usain Bolt is necessarily better than Jesse Owen in the 100m.
I think he has access to better knowledge, better technology.
That makes him have better performance.
It's the same thing in fighting.
However, in fighting, it's very subjective because we cannot measure.
We don't have any instrument of measure.
So it's always, oh, it's Ali against Tyson, who would have won, like, oh, St-Pierre versus Ousmane, or, you know, like, they make comparative stuff like that.
However, it cannot be made, but normally...
General idea is that the future is always better than the past.
And that's how it is.
And if I don't agree with that, that means I insult the entire UFC roster.
I insult the entire NBA, the entire NHL. That's what I believe.
I think you're 100% correct, and I think the quote, we stand on the shoulders of giants, that's really what it is.
You don't get to where we are today without Hoist Gracie, without Bruce Lee, without the steps of all these people, without Matt Hughes, without George St. Pierre, without all, fill in the blank, Randy Couture, Tito Ortiz, all those fighters, they paved the way, and the young fighters that were watching them when they were children, they learned from watching these guys compete and perform.
In jujitsu, it's a great example.
Gordon Ryan is the greatest jujitsu player of all time.
Well, he's the greatest because John Donaher is a brilliant instructor, and John Donaher came straight from Henzo Gracie.
Henzo Gracie, who's a cousin of Hoyce, who's also one of the greatest of all time, and one of the innovators.
The Gracie family and all the lessons learned from the early days of mixed martial arts gets transferred to John Donner in his genius mind, and then he finds this guy who's a fucking savage, who's willing to put in the time in Gordon Ryan, and then you see Gordon, did you see his last match with Wagner Rocha?
He wrote down on a piece of paper how he was going to submit.
He wrote a triangle on a piece of paper and he handed it to the commentators.
And he said, open that up after the match is over.
And then he plays with Wagner and then submits him with a triangle.
One of the greatest role models for me was Wayne Gretzky.
Wayne Gretzky and ice hockey in Canada is our national sport.
He was incredibly humble.
His record, I think he's one of the athlete all sport combined that I can say for certainty or almost for certainty that his record will never be broken during my living.
Even if you're the best boxer in the world, you flood Mayweather.
It's like I take Floyd Mayweather and I bring him to fight in the pool, in the water.
If Floyd doesn't know how to swim, it would be the same analogy that taking someone that doesn't have any jiu-jitsu background.
If the fight goes to the ground, which is very likely because you need, in MMA, in a street fight, you need to go on the ground to finish your opponent if he falls down, right?
Vince Phillips, cool Vince Phillips, was a bad motherfucker.
He was an elite boxer, world champion boxer.
See if you can find that.
See if you can find that online.
I think it was in K1. And Masato was at the peak of his game.
There it is.
And so Vince Phillips at the time...
Was a little older, I think, if I remember correctly, I think he was in his later 30s, but Vince Phillips was a fucking elite professional boxer, world champion, and Masato, oh, he's 44, yeah, a little too old for that.
Unfortunately, so it would have been interesting more so if they fought in their prime, but Vince was still very fucking good, but Masato just lit his legs on fire.
They were supposed to have a boxing match, but the Athletic Commission wouldn't sanction a boxing match because Tim Sylvia didn't have any boxing matches and Ray Mercer was a gold medalist in the Olympics and a world champion.
So they're like, there's no fucking way.
Even though Ray Mercer was older, they said there's no fucking way you're going to fight Tim Sylvia in a boxing match.
So they said, what about a mixed martial arts match?
Well, okay.
Well, that makes more sense because Tim Sylvia was a world champion in mixed martial arts and you're a world champion in boxing.
Okay.
So they sanctioned that fight, but they made a gentleman's agreement.
The gentleman's agreement was they would just have a boxing match with the little gloves on.
But they open up the fight.
Watch the open up the fight.
Tim Sylvia leg kicks him.
And look at Ray Mercer.
He's like, what the fuck?
Because he's like, I thought we had a rule.
Bang!
And so that's why he was so angry after the fight was over because they weren't supposed to kick.
But Tim Sylvia opened up and he hit him with a leg kick.
And you see in his training that he practiced that over and over and over again.
They showed the video of Masvidal practicing for that very scenario.
But other than that, he's fought a lot of elite strikers and not gotten knocked out.
Like, if you look at his fights when he fought Douglas Lima or Koroskov, when he fought those guys in Bellator, I mean, he did very well, but he was allowed to wrestle.
How was he going to do in an actual boxing match?
I mean, I've never, just be honest, I've never thought of him as being a good striker.
I think it would need to somehow, sometime, because I've sparred world champion boxers in my life many times.
I can hang there for three, four rounds with the guys I sparred.
But after four rounds, What you find is that they're way more efficient than you, especially in the inside boxing, because we do not have inside boxing in MMA. Right, right.
He's the GOAT. He just lost, people say, oh no, but I think he was the GOAT. Oh man, I mean, you think about it, he beat legends, he beat Alistair Overeem, Junior Dos Santos, he beat everybody.
But it's just to show that sometimes when you get confidence, it's great for a fighter.
But it's dangerous because there's nothing more dangerous for a fighter than success.
Success makes you weak, man.
Success makes you forget sometimes.
Then you're not...
You know what I mean?
It can be very dangerous.
And I love Francis.
I hope...
I want...
Francis is making his story, man.
He's the one that can...
He's an amazing fighter, an amazing human being.
And perhaps, maybe one day, they're going to go rumble in the jungle, Ali Foreman.
Do that in Africa.
That would be amazing.
He had that aura on him.
But man, I want him to stay successful and never forget that no matter how dangerous, how good you are, and especially in heavyweight, you're only at one...
Daniel Cormier said at the end of the fight, he said, strap a rocket to Francis' back because he's going to take off because he's got that Tyson-like aura where everyone's scared of fighting him.
He knocks everybody out.
When you see him knock a guy like Stipe out, who's the consensus greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time.
Stipe defended the title more than anybody.
He won the title twice.
When you watch him fight, Stipe was the fucking man.
So Francis, when he knocks him out, so he takes the title from the greatest heavyweight champion of all time, knocks him out cold, and now he has this ability to transcend the sport.
He has this ability to become this gigantic superstar.
And I'm saying life, I'm talking even about amateur competition when I was a kid in karate and wrestling.
It's the only fight that I had a good night of sleep the week before all the way through the fight.
I had it all figured out.
I didn't make those crazy scenarios in my mind.
I didn't rethink of it.
This idea of fighting, of losing, didn't hunt me.
It needs to be...
Fear, it's a good thing.
And people are like, oh, he's afraid.
It's stupid to say that because of course he's afraid.
And of course, I'm going to tell you the scoop.
I'm sure Francis is afraid too.
But it doesn't matter if they're afraid or not.
If the numbers is good...
Hopefully, they will fight, and this fight will make history.
And hopefully it happens.
I was afraid of every fight, but it does not matter.
Because as much as I'm afraid, I'm by no means a perfect man.
But one thing that I'm not, I'm not a coward.
And no matter who I'm fighting, and if the contract is good, everything is good.
I'm gonna go out there and I don't care about how I feel because it's subjectivity.
I only care about the objective.
What I need to do in order to take you out of your comfort zone.
And this needs to be done at all costs.
Me, myself, how I feel, if I'm sick or not, what the other people think, that does not exist.
The only thing that exists and matters is the objectivity, the things that you need to do to succeed.
And these need to be done at all costs.
That's how you should think when you have a fight coming up.
People, they don't know that because nobody can really rely to that because not everybody that is a fighter.
But I know, as a fighter, I can tell you for certain that I'm sure they are both afraid.
It's normal.
Every fight, you're kind of afraid.
You can be confident, but you always have this idea in the back of your mind that, man, if I mess up, I could lose everything, all my legacy and everything.
It's normal.
And you should feel this way.
Because if you don't feel this way, my friend, it's the end of your career.
And that's when you take the big dive and now it's loss after loss after loss after loss.
Yeah, but isn't that also because most people don't fast the way you fast, and most people wouldn't be disciplined enough to do what you're doing with, even with intermittent fasting, as well as the three-day water fast.
But with only 100% completely lean meat and nothing else, your body does not like that.
Your body wants fat for fuel.
There's a thing called gluconeogenesis that when you eat enough protein, your body converts that protein to glucose.
But when you need some fat, like fat is actually, you know, we're programmed to think that, oh, I want to eat low fat.
That's fucking terrible for you.
Low-fat is awful for you.
Low-fat stuff.
Lean meat is not bad, but you do need fat.
And fat is an important component for your diet, whether it's fat from avocado, fat from nuts and macadamia nuts, or whether it's a vegan fat or vegetarian fat, or whether it's fat from eggs.
People think that, oh, I want to eat all egg whites.
I'm afraid that in a way that AI could be a good thing for humans, for the development of humans.
However, in order to keep us safe, we need to eliminate us.
Because for our...
Little monkey brain plan, you and me, or, you know, like us as humans, who might think of doing certain things is the greater things for the greater of the humanity.
But maybe it's not, you know?
And if you have a superior intelligence that controls, you know what I mean?
They will protect us against ourselves, and the only way to do that is by eliminating some of the human.
Well, I think what we are is an imperfect creature, right?
So if you went back to ancient primates, Australopithecus or any of the ancient primates, and you said to them, one day you're not going to have any hair on your body or very little hair, And you're going to have to wear clothes everywhere.
And your feet are going to be so soft, you're going to have to wear shoes.
And then you're going to be protected because you can't live outside because your body is too weak.
So you're going to be protected by structures.
And you're not going to hunt anymore.
You're just going to go to a store.
And because of that, you're going to eat whatever you want.
So you're going to get fat.
And you're going to be really lazy because you can be lazy.
And society is going to protect you.
So it's going to give you all this food and resources.
and they're going to protect you and make you softer and softer and more dependent upon these systems that really don't give a shit about you.
They need massive amounts of people in order to give the resources so that they can keep these structures intact, whether it's government or political structures or society, and they're going to try to make men as toxic.
They're going to look at the idea of masculinity as being the most dangerous thing, and aggression as the most dangerous thing.
All the things that made human beings what we are today.
Men had to be strong.
We needed to conquer.
And we needed to fight off other conquerors that were trying to take over our land.
And we needed to be able to fight off predators.
Well, that's not necessary anymore.
So all those male instincts are going to be shunned and looked at as the worst possible part of our society and our culture.
Which is the only thing that really got us to where we are today.
Hilarious, he put me and Elon Musk in the same sentence.
The concept is that there's going to be an invention that increases the bandwidth.
Now, first, it's going to be used for people that have...
Neurological disorders and injuries and spinal cord injuries and it's going to try to bridge the gap between the person's injury and their potential as a person.
They're going to be able to figure out a way to allow them to utilize their body in a way that they couldn't use it before because of the injury.
But then eventually it's going to be something once they become more proficient, once they get better at this technology, once this technology innovates sufficiently and gets more and more advanced, they're going to get to a point where it's going to be something that normal people use because it's going to increase the bandwidth between human beings and information and also increase the physical capability of the body.
And then with CRISPR, CRISPR is a technology that allows gene editing.
With that and with these integrated technologies like Neuralink and whatever comes after Neuralink, Neuralink is just one.
Like, you know, like the Morse code was one method of communication that existed a couple hundred years ago.
And then now it's a joke in comparison to what we have today.
Well, you take Neuralink and you go a couple hundred years from now, what kind of...
I think when you look at aliens, like when you think of the...
Archetypal alien, the archetype alien where they have these iconic images of this large head, little tiny bodies where they have no muscle.
That's going to be us.
I think what we're seeing when we see those things, if they are real, if people are experiencing those things, I think that's probably us in the future.
Or, if not us...
Some beings from other galaxies or other planets or other parts of the universe, other solar systems.
That's probably what happens if your civilization stays intact and you reach a thousand years from now, a million years from now, from where we are.
If they're similar to us in their developmental cycle, I think that's where we're going.
Right, but you're thinking about it in terms of the meaning that you attach to a word.
What you're going to be able to do is convey intent.
You're going to be able to convey thoughts and concepts which will be universally recognized without the use of language.
So, the problem we're thinking of is, like, the word, like, if you use Russian, the Russian word for a stove is different than a German word for a stove, which is different than a Japanese word.
It's all, like, it's hard.
That's one of the things about when people translate, and you know this better than anybody, because you speak multiple languages.
Do you think Travis and Bob Lazar and all these guys that have extraordinary claim believe what they are telling you?
I don't know if what they believe is true, but do you think they believe what they are telling you in a way that they're not lying, they're telling the truth of what they're believing?
I can't tell for certain, but I believe Bob Lazar.
I believe what he's saying is true.
I believe he's telling me.
Now, Bob, he had one moment where he was passing by a window and he said he saw something that was small and these people were standing over it and he didn't know if it was an alien or whether it was some sort of a...
Form that they were trying like a doll or something that's supposed to represent the size of an alien or some sort of a model of an alien But he remembers he looked briefly through a window and he saw something small.
He didn't see it move around didn't see it talk So he doesn't know what he saw because in his world as he explained it When he was working at Area 51 Site 4, that's where he worked, he said that it was very compartmentalized.
And he's saying it was one of the problems with them trying to figure out...
One of the problems they were trying to figure out was how to back engineer these devices, these ships.
But the problem was they weren't allowed to communicate with other people outside of this very limited group of people that had access to these vehicles.
And the people that were involved in the metallurgy were not allowed to communicate with the people that were involved in whatever the propulsion system was.
They didn't understand what they were trying to decipher these things.
But he said, and if you listen to the podcast that I did with him, that it didn't work because the scientific method requires multiple people to communicate and share ideas and explain – And they didn't do that.
And some of the things that he talked about came to fruition.
One of the things was...
There was a concept of this thing called element 115. That was not really proven until the 2000s.
Somewhere in the 2000s, they used a particle collider and created this thing where it was a very unstable, very short-lived particle.
But he was saying that wherever these beings are from, they have figured out a way to utilize a stable version of this element 115 and that's how they propel themselves.
The things that he was describing Were also exactly the same things that were experienced by Commander David Fravor, who was a guy who was a jet pilot.
Yeah, and so he experienced this thing move in that same direction, that same way, where there was no visible propulsion system, but they tracked this thing going from 80,000 feet above sea level to one in one second.
So that's the amount of time that it takes radar to track this.
Well, the Zacharias Sitchin stuff is interesting, right?
That's all the Sumerian text.
The Sumerian text is some fascinating stuff because it's all from 6,000 years ago.
And by the way, Zacharias Hitchin, he's very controversial.
There's even a website called SitchinIsWrong.com, and it's basically scholars of ancient Sumerian who say that his translations are completely off.
But even if his translations are off, there's still a lot of really confusing stuff about ancient Sumer.
And one of the things is their depictions of the solar system.
They had a depiction of the solar system 6,000 years ago that shows the sun in the center, and it shows all of the known planets in the outside, and they're relatively accurate in terms of the size.
When you're saying it's Earth 1 and Earth 2, and what that means is that there was an original version of Earth, and then Earth was hit by another planet at some point in the distant, distant past.
And that's what created the moon, and that's also what created the asteroid belt.
Well, if you just look at the pyramids, the pyramids are a perfect example of technology loss.
It's almost like the best example.
Those ancient civilizations almost letting everyone know, hey, there is information that we have that's so above and beyond what's expected of people from this era.
Because if you think about people that lived 2,500 B.C., You don't think about someone that had the kind of proficiency to create something that...
People don't understand.
It's not just that the pyramids were big, but they were so perfectly designed that when they put all the stones, they reached the top.
If anyone was off by even a half an inch at the bottom, as time went on, an inch here, an inch there, by the time they got to the top, it would be all fucked up.
It wouldn't be perfect.
But the pyramids were so amazingly perfect, and they were originally covered in smooth limestone.
So smooth, polished limestone that would probably be insane to look at if you were staring at it from a distance.
Like this immense structure of 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from quarries hundreds of miles away, all perfectly aligned and put together by these people that lived thousands and thousands of years ago.
You know, most scholars would say that they use a ramp, but if you think about it, like, there's other scholars that would counter that by saying the construction of that ramp needs to be in an angle that it could be so difficult to do that it will challenge the construction of the pyramid itself, you know?
Well, that was also John Anthony West's concept of Egypt, that there's multiple eras, and that if you go deeper, like some of the stuff that they found when they dig deeper in the sand was a different construction method.
It looked different.
Different designs, but still equally complex and fascinating.
It's like there's probably many eras of human civilization, and there's probably been...
Whatever it is, whether it's disease or some sort of a natural disaster or something that happened.
Asteroidal impact was John Anthony or was Randall Carlson's and Graham Hancock's.
Well, it's also we're so different from all the other animals.
Like, we're the only animal that wears shoes.
We're the only animal that wears clothes.
We're the only animal that really manipulates its environment the way we do.
I mean, other animals think, you know, bees make beehives and shit like that, but they don't...
Do anything remotely interesting in comparison to what we're capable of doing and what we have done for thousands and thousands of years.
And why?
You know, one of the things that Bob Lazar said that he was taught when he was at Area 51-S4 was that one of the things that they were telling him was that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution and that these creatures occasionally come back to check upon our progress.
Yeah, which is crazy.
But that might be how it works throughout the universe, is that these beings that are very far advanced, they come back and they see these creatures that are pretty close and they give them a little boost.
They push them ahead a little bit.
Because otherwise it would take so long.
And maybe we don't have them out of time because of the fact that we're in this...
Fucking shooting gallery of asteroids, that these things come down and whatever progress you make is wiped out by impacts or by super volcanoes.
If you look at the belief of human beings through evolution, you know, like in ancient Greek, they believe in different, they were believing in different gods, like in different times, different civilization had different beliefs.
Now, some people believe Jesus walked on water, you know, which is fine too.
That's their belief, you know.
If you believe that human was the result of alien beings, it's another belief.
Yeah, so we're doing weird shit by sending things to other planets, and they roam around and take photographs and send it back to us, and we watch these high-resolution images from the surface of Mars.
This is just within the last, you know...
Less than a hundred years we're capable of doing this.
Who knows what's going to happen in a few thousand years?
So if human beings stay alive and the Earth stays in one piece for a few thousand years and then we're sending things out to various planets and maybe that's what these beings are.
Maybe these beings are these artificial intelligent robots that other intelligent entities have constructed and send out to the galaxy.
If we found some monkey in the jungle and we said, listen, we'll keep most of them by the way they are.
We'll take a few of them.
We'll pull them aside and run some tests on them.
But we take monkeys and we do experiments on them where we see if things are toxic.
They try medicine on monkeys.
They use makeup.
They try makeup on monkeys to see if it's bad for them.
They do all kinds of horrible experiments with monkeys, and they've done it forever to see cancer drugs and all sorts of other things that are effective or toxic.
It is interesting when you think of the possibility.
It doesn't end here.
It doesn't end with us.
It's not like we're the perfect being and this is as advanced as things get.
We know that we are far more advanced technologically than things that we're aware of historically that we can for sure prove existed because we can watch videos of them.
We can watch videos of people that lived in the 1920s.
So we look at the way they lived.
We look at the historical record of medical experiments and medical treatments that they did on people that were just 100, 200 years ago where they wrote things down.
We know exactly what people knew then as opposed to what they knew now.
Shit, if we just go back to 1950...
The comparison to people, what they did in terms of medicine and medical technology, it's so advanced now.
Well, if we were wiped out except for a few thousand people, and that few thousand people lived like cave people, lived like savages, and they made their way through the eras and eventually reinvented all the things that we have today, but there was no record left of what we have.
Have you ever seen some of those...
Photographs of places that were abandoned, and not that long ago in Russia.
Like, you know, places that were abandoned just a few decades ago.
Well, I think we are clearly in an adolescent stage of learning and growing.
And as much as we know now in comparison to what we knew a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago, we're just learning.
We're just beginning.
And it's...
We're also in this very volatile environment in Earth.
We're ruining the planet, so we're polluting it.
We're filling the atmosphere with all sorts of chemicals and bullshit, and we're fucking up the ocean and dumping chemicals in the rivers and streams, and we're pulling all the fish out of the ocean.
It's chaos, and we've got to right the ship.
Just even if nothing hits us, just even if we don't have a...
Yellowstone has thousands of earthquakes every year.
There's a massive super volcano in Yellowstone that every 600,000 to 800,000 years blows up.
And there is, I don't know if it's misinformation, but I pay attention to certain things on the internet sometimes and I see that it starts to move a little bit.
Like they talk about some of the activity that goes on there.
There's multiple active supervolcanoes in the world that if they blow, we're fucked.
And I think if I was an alien civilization and I was monitoring Earth, and I'd be like, well...
We gotta help these things.
Move them along quicker because the place they live is crazy.
The place they live, they only have a certain amount of time to evolve in order to escape.
If their life is going to get to a point where they're so advanced that they can populate the universe and move out into other galaxies, you gotta help them.
We gotta help them.
Because these little monkeys, they don't have a shot.
They're gonna get hit.
But as much as brilliant as they are, the incredible things they've created, they still don't have enough time to evolve to the point where they could get out of there before they get hit.
Our life is so short that we don't have enough information.
Unless people are writing things down, and even if they're writing things down, unless they're writing things down on stone, it's not going to survive past an apocalypse.
It's like these things and they have to do DNA tests on the skins to make sure they align them together when they're trying to piece together these little pieces of a story that these people are trying to tell from thousands and thousands of years ago.
Well, one of the more fascinating things about the construction of the pyramids and the hieroglyphs is none of the hieroglyphs show the pyramid in various stages of construction.
Well, archaeologists are also very reluctant to entertain any other ideas other than the ones they've been teaching and writing books about.
So that's one of the things that Graham Hancock and also Robert Schock Ran into when they were trying to show images of the erosion that appears on the Temple of the Sphinx.
That seems to indicate that it's the result of thousands of years of rainfall.
All those ideas are fascinating because if they're correct, and it seems like they are, it seems to indicate that this date that they put on civilization of Egypt, you know, they have accurate dates about parts of Egypt, you know, like the construction of the Great Pyramid.
But this would predate that by thousands and thousands of years because it seems to indicate that the result of the erosion is a result of thousands of years of rainfall.
The problem with that is the last time there was that kind of rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9000 BC.
So you gotta go thousands of years before the construction of the pyramids.
Well, that's why the most fascinating encounter to me was Commander Fravor.
Because he's a fighter jet pilot.
And he knows what he's looking at.
And he also doesn't have any other stories like that.
He's a hardcore, legitimate pilot.
He's a pilot who doesn't have a history of telling fantastic stories.
He has one encounter with this thing that behaved in a way that they can't explain, actively blocked their radar, jammed their radar, which is technically an act of war.
And then behaved in a way, like moved in a way that they can't explain.
And they tracked it.
And they have video of this thing and they, you know, they know it's a thing.
They don't know what the fuck it is.
They don't know what it was doing there or why it was doing there.
And he also said that it was hovering above something that was in the ocean.
There was, it was some waves washing over this thing.
So it was clearly some large craft and it's hovering above it and then met them and looked at them.