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March 31, 2021 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #1627 - Dan Gable

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dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
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joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that, so you're telling me that this mask is, this is a wrestling, does this have anything to do with your museum?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's the National Wrestling Hall of Fame.
		But this is the one out of Stillwater, Oklahoma.
		And the one we have is a subsidiary one.
		It's called the National Wrestling Hall of Fame Dan Gable Museum in Waterloo, my hometown.
		But they own it.
		See, Oklahoma and Iowa are big rivalries in wrestling over history.
		And these museums kind of help bring us together.
		So it's pretty interesting.
		So these actually masks are just the ones out of Stillwater.
		I don't know if we have ones in Waterloo or not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Lex Friedman told me that you have a hard time even walking around in Iowa, that people will swarm you.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		When they don't swarm me is when I'm going to have to worry.
		Because I'm for the sport of wrestling.
		And I love that sport.
		And it's been my life.
		And I want it to continue to be.
		And it's a little bit difficult sport.
		So, you know, it's something that keeps me appreciative.
		But it also...
		I promote it out there.
		And as long as people...
		I'm okay with it.
		It might irritate my family a little bit once in a while, but they love the sport too, so they got to expect some of this stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, coming from a guy that has accomplished what you've accomplished and has become this legendary feature in the sport, it comes with the territory.
		There's no way around it.
		I mean, you're a beloved character in the sport of wrestling, to the point where I told people that you were going to be on my podcast and their eyebrows raise up.
		People get very excited.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you said that because every time I tell somebody, their eyebrows do the same when I'm going on this show.
		And so, of course, I knew about this show, but I had to do a lot of homework just to see, wow, it's pretty big.
		So I'm excited to be here because I know the effect it can have, not just on me because...
		But on the sport, and I love the sport.
		My hometown of Waterloo, that's why I got started in it because it was just dominating wrestling at the time.
		And you know what's funny is that just from a world situation, Sport brings people together.
		And, you know, it's like, who better than a sport with Russia or Iran or North Korea?
		Because, you know, it's like, or Turkey, you know, they just, you know, especially the first two, you know, they just, we're always in conflict, it seems like, with them.
		But when it comes to wrestling, we have something in common.
		And, you We usually end up losing to both Russia and Iran, but sometimes we beat them too.
		We are well known for good wrestling and that has helped, I think, the country be better off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had Jordan Burroughs on and he was describing to me what it's like to wrestle in Iran and how massive the sport is over there and he's a giant star over there and he's like and people are so friendly and so so inviting and so accepting and just so happy to see great wrestling and just wrestling is just an enormous sport over there and immensely popular Well,
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		when I won the Olympics in 1972, their most popular athlete was the guy in my weight class, the Iranian.
		I'd been in the Worlds a year before, but before that he had two Olympic titles and every world title in between.
		And all of a sudden he became so popular that the government was a little concerned about him, that the people were more appreciative of him than the government.
		And so when he went to the Munich Olympics, even though he had lost the year before, Because I was there and I won the weight class.
		We didn't get to wrestle, but he was there and representing Iran in 72. And he won his first match by about...
		15 points, but he pulled out of the Olympics, and he ended up going to the United States because of his being so popular that he was scared they might do something to him at the government level.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're aware of what happened recently with the wrestler who was killed, the Iranian wrestler who was killed because he was involved in a peaceful protest, and they made an example out of him.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they claimed that he killed somebody, but, you know, You can claim whatever you want to satisfy the people, but chances are he didn't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Chances are he didn't.
		It seemed like what they were doing was just making sure that people were scared.
		If they can kill a man who's so beloved and a national hero, they can kill anybody.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the Iranian that came here lives still here in the United States.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wrestling, to me, is one of the most important sports because it's one of the very few sports that doesn't have a real...
		I mean, there's obviously WWE wrestling and a lot of guys go from wrestling into MMA, but there's not a real professional venue.
		I mean, Jordan Burroughs does some legit wrestling, actual amateur-style wrestling, and gets paid for matches and stuff now, and has sponsorships and the like.
		And I'm very happy that he gets recognized and some other wrestlers get recognized, but it's not like basketball.
		It's not like any other sport where you have Olympic champions go on boxing and become huge stars at a professional level.
		With wrestling, it's...
		It's one of the few sports where the people that participate in it, they take pride in the fact that they work in silence.
		They take pride in the fact that they grind.
		They take pride in the fact that they are miserable, that their training is unbelievably intense, and that it's so much more intense than most sports.
		If you had to compare what an elite baseball player does, you're smiling, right?
		Versus an elite wrestler.
		I mean, it's not even comparable.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, but I appreciate all the sports because I have so many grandkids and a lot of their dads are even baseball players, football players, and even coaches at that level.
		So, you know, it's pretty interesting because one of the baseball coaches for my local, where I live in Iowa City, he's got a son named Gable, actually, and he's first team All-State in baseball.
		But when he was back in college, he was dating my daughter and he came to our wrestling practice.
		And we were just doing a running practice that morning, early morning, and we were doing a little less than quarter-mile runs, and I'd give him a little time in between, of course, but he just wanted to try out what we were doing to see how it compared to how he trained that way.
		They train different ways, but he made one really good lap, and he stayed right with the group, right in there.
		I think he claims he might have made another one.
		I don't know if it was the second or the third, but we were going to do eight.
		And so I think by the second or the third, he was in a full squat and he couldn't.
		I mean, his legs just went out on him and he couldn't do it.
		And I tell you, I think it showed appreciation from him right away from that point of view.
		So that's...
		Pretty interesting that you bring that up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there's any sport like it, in terms of the amount of effort that's required, and also the margin of fitness and of technique required for victory.
		At the elite level, there's so many great wrestlers, both on the national level and the international level.
		That it really requires this insane level of dedication to rise to the top.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well you mentioned Jordan Burles and you know Jordan Burles was a good wrestler in high school and he was a good wrestler in college.
		He became a great wrestler at the end of college but I shouldn't even say great because You have another level, and that's that world and Olympic level.
		I don't think he really realized his talent and abilities.
		A lot of it's just because it is a tough sport and that every practice is somewhat of a grind and everything that you do.
		But if you stick with it long enough, the mind can develop as well.
		When Jordan Burrell's mind...
		Developed to where he felt he was a great wrestler, instead of just, he's a good wrestler, but this other guy is good and it's going to be a tough match.
		But he stayed in it long enough, worked at it hard enough, where he was able to develop beyond the tools that you need for being on the mat, just technically or strategically.
		So once he got that mind, that made the big difference.
		And that's what carries him through right now.
		And again, it's like right now, he's in a big battle to make the Olympic team, which is going to happen here shortly.
		Because we eliminated some of the weight classes.
		See, people don't understand in our sport.
		Because they say, well, they don't do it in baseball, they don't do it in football, people weigh 100 pounds, people weigh 200 pounds, they're on the same team, and you're competing against them.
		But in a wrestling match, a few pounds makes a difference when you're at that high level of excellence.
		It's because of, like, physics.
		You know, if you understand physics pretty well and positioning, then you can probably be a better wrestler just because of the amount of weight and skill that you have within your own positions.
		And so, for me, it was like I could wrestle anybody.
		I wrestled 150 pounds at the World's and Olympic Games.
		And I could wrestle the heavyweight who weighed 450. And they go, why could you wrestle him?
		I said, because I knew the leverage and I knew the skills and the strategy.
		And because of that, it gave me the opportunity to feel heavier than him.
		And I think that's what a lot of people said.
		They say, you don't look that heavy, but when I wrestled you, you felt like so heavy.
		I said, well, it's because I knew my positions.
		So, you know, that's where like Jordan Burroughs is now.
		He's so much better, but not just in his skills from on the mat.
		It's a lot in his brains that he knows he's good.
		He's had a lot of practices where he's done well.
		I don't think I lost a practice.
		From my junior year in college.
		So I had my junior year, my senior year, then I had two and a half more years.
		So that's four and a half years where I went to practice and never lost a wrestling practice.
		And by that, I mean I pretty much dominated.
		And I usually wrestled the bigger guys in the room, even though I was a lightweight.
		It's because I could.
		And because of that, it gave me a lot of confidence.
		And so people always ask you, how do you think you're going to do?
		Well, I think I'm going to win.
		I don't really think.
		I pretty much know I'm going to win.
		It's one of these things that when you have that much success, it works.
		That's where I feel Jordan Burroughs is developed to.
		Like I said, he's got only six weight classes as compared to eight or nine or ten, what we normally used to have.
		He's got a world champion coming down named Dake that will challenge him at his weight.
		They're both Highly credentialed and so that's gonna be a big match coming up here probably pretty soon.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Mental toughness is one of the most important aspects of wrestling.
		Obviously technique and fitness are huge but mental toughness is what defines wrestlers in my opinion because when you see successful wrestlers in the UFC in particular There's no one like them.
		When they come over to MMA, you recognize there's something special about them as athletes.
		And I think that it comes from the fact that wrestling is so difficult.
		The practices are so hard.
		But in the world of mental toughness, where mental toughness is one of the cornerstones of You're known as a guy that stands out.
		You stand out amongst, like David Goggins likes to say, you're uncommon amongst uncommon men.
		What is that?
		What made you stand out from these other wrestlers?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to jump forth to my high school coach, even though I got a lot before that.
		But I just remember what he said in the room.
		And he was like the best high school coach in the state at the time.
		He said, guys, win with humility.
		Lose with dignity, but damn it, don't lose!
		And he put those last two lines together real quick, so you kind of had to listen to him.
		But it was pretty neat because you win with humility, you lose with dignity, but damn it, don't lose.
		And so, you know, that was my first major coach.
		That really taught me a lot of those type of principles.
		But before that, I was a kid that was at the YMCA when I was five, six years old.
		And basically the reason why I was there because, you know, you want to learn how to swim because if you're an outdoors guy and you want to be around water and you want to You want to make sure you know how your kids swim, so my mom and dad got me into the YMCA, but what they got me into the YMCA really for was they needed help.
		My dad was a full-time worker, and my mom, she stayed at home a lot, but she also helped my dad.
		He had an office at home, but I was a little hellion.
		And they needed me to learn how to swim, but they also needed me to learn how to be a little bit sociable.
		They needed me to learn how to get along with kids.
		My first job was at the YMCA. I actually competed.
		My first sport competitively was, besides practicing, was swimming.
		And I won a YMCA state championship when I was 12 years old, believe it or not, in the backstroke.
		Which, you know, in wrestling, you know, I know in fighting you can go to your back and there's lots of tools that you can do there.
		But I hate going to my back, you know.
		And I think if I was a fighter, I would think I hate gravity coming down on me.
		So I don't mind putting it down.
		But, you know, and there's skills there you have to learn.
		But I really liked the YMCA because it gave me...
		A chance to learn something away from home.
		I was home with my mom, I was home with my dad, home with my sister, four years older than me.
		But, you know, it's just something...
		I call it going for help.
		And I think my mom and dad realized at that time...
		That they needed some help with this kid.
		And I think that's a really good thing to think about as people in the world when you have kids growing up.
		And if you're not giving them what you need to give them, why not go for help?
		And there's organizations out there.
		Now, you've got to be careful who you're putting them into or even if you're giving them to a babysitter or whatever like that.
		But If you're pretty confident that you have a good place to get some help, you get some help.
		Same way with me as a coach.
		Same way with me as a husband.
		I mean, I got my wife.
		I got my family.
		I had my assistant coaches.
		And I got my fans.
		I mean, I always had them.
		Looking out for me.
		I built that kind of trust with them, or more than even trust, just they want to help.
		And that was the way.
		Now, you can't go overboard.
		You still got to make sure that the help you're getting is the right help.
		But the YMCA was perfect for me because, I mean, I can remember the first day they took us to a wrestling room.
		We had a little wrestling room at the YMCA. I was already wrestling before that because my dad was a wrestler, not a great wrestler, but his friends were.
		So when they came to the wrestling, learning the sport, my first wrestling room was at the YMCA there, even though I had been in a wrestling room because these older guys had drug me around into the wrestling rooms.
		In Waterloo.
		But I can remember wrestling a kid, and I handled him pretty good because I had already been wrestling on my carpet at home, wrestling outside in the grass, and these people had had a little experience with me.
		But the kid kind of got mad, so I was waiting for my mom and dad to pick me up after the wise couple hours where you spend there.
		And this kid came out, and he goes, you know, you can...
		You know, maybe you beat me in wrestling up there.
		But he goes, how about a street fight?
		And I said, whoa.
		You know, I was probably eight, nine, eight years old at the time.
		And, you know, it was downtown Waterloo, Iowa.
		Tough town.
		I was on one side of the river and he was on the other side of the river growing up.
		And so he probably had been in more fights than me, but I wasn't going to fight him.
		I was waiting for my dad to pick me up, and all of a sudden, he punches me.
		And so, you know, what do you do?
	You've got to fight.
	I mean, either that or run.
	And I fought, and I did all right.
	I mean, just like in the wrestling room, I did all right.
	And so I had some of that in me, too.
	But when I had the guy on the down, and I kind of let him up, We both looked over.
	My dad was there standing watching me, and that guy's dad was standing there.
	And my dad and his were talking to each other.
	And so, you know, that's part of an experience that you kind of grow up in.
	And I don't know if they even knew each other, but they were kind of supervising, yet we didn't know they were there.
	And that was kind of one of my first experiences with understanding a little bit about competition outside organized sports, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, raw competition.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Primal.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		So, you know, actually, speaking of the story there, it was a really good one.
		This is about my mom and dad.
		My mom and dad were great people.
		But they like to drink a lot of beer and smoke a lot of cigarettes.
		That's why they probably didn't live so long and they probably had some trouble at home.
		And by that I mean the cops visited a home quite often just to break up fights or my mom would probably call the cops on my dad.
		The first time I ever really took notice was when they came the first time and they took my dad away.
		He had been rough with my mom, so I probably understood.
		But I saw him kind of throw a handcuff on him.
		I think they just threw one on and kind of took him out the door.
		I didn't really see from there.
		He came home that night later on.
		They brought him back later.
		So the next day I went to school and the policeman that had come and picked him up was actually a neighbor down the street.
		Just lived about a block from us.
		And I was really bad, you know, at the police taking my dad away, even though probably it was a good thing.
		But I didn't really understand what was going on at that time.
		And this is different today.
		It probably wouldn't go on.
		But the neighbor policeman about a block away had a son in my class at school.
		So after school that day, We were both walking home, and I was really mad.
		And I pulled out of my pocket a wire, and I took this kid down on the ground, and I wired his wrist together.
		And not real hard but like there were handcuffs and I grabbed the wire and I said this is what your dad did to my dad last night and I'm gonna do it to you and I'm gonna take you and I'm gonna take you home this way and I took him home because they lived about a block away and I untook the things off and let him go in but it's like probably fourth grade but My dad found out about that,
		and wow, did I get in trouble.
		I mean, he used to hit me on top of the head with a ring, probably why I don't have much hair.
		And he looked at me and he said, you know what?
		I was intoxicated last night.
		It was good they took me out of here.
		But you know what they did to me when they got me down to the police department?
		He said I played pool with them.
		They had a little billiards room down there and they played pool with me until I sobered up and then they brought me back.
		And you did that to his son?
		I said, Dad, I was just protecting you, I thought.
		And everybody understood.
		But it's kind of funny how things are.
		And that's the old days, good old days, compared to...
		They'd probably do a lot more.
		They'd lock you up, probably.
		They don't give you too many breaks.
		But it's kind of funny how that's the kind of house...
		The difference between 40 years ago 50 years ago, 60 years ago, I forget.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is better, though?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are the good old days the good old days, or is it better today?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think I like the good old days.
		I mean, I got picked up one other time, and it was my former...
		I was back home from college, and he was my gym teacher in eighth grade, Mr. Blue, and he...
		He ended up being a policeman.
		So when I came home to college, so that was about in seventh grade, so we're talking six, seven, eight years later, when I was home for the weekend and I was driving and he picked me up and I probably had a beer in the car or something.
		You know, he actually let me go.
		But he picked me up again the same night.
		So he took me down a second time.
		And he put me in his office in the police station.
		We talked for quite a while.
		But he let me go, too.
		But you know, you just can't get away with that.
		I mean, there's just more rules, regulations.
		If people find out, it's like, whoa, whoa.
		You know, I think the good old days probably gave you a chance to actually realize things better than you can today.
		You can actually get a second chance, maybe, and, you know, that type of thing.
		So today is not the best day to ask me about the good old days, just because today is, I would say, definitely the good old days, because these days are...
		We're divided.
		That's the way it is.
		And so it's not as much fun.
		You're almost scared to talk.
		I came here in an airplane and out of the airplane magazine, I picked up something because I thought it was interesting.
		It'll probably help me.
		Because I don't want to get in trouble, you know?
		I don't want to get in trouble.
		And it said, curious about using...
		This article was in the...
		It said, curious about using gender-neutral language in your everyday life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you curious about using gender-neutral language in your everyday life?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, some guy just texted me the other day after a speech and gave me really a lot of hell.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A guy you knew?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He texted you?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A friend of yours?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't seen him in about 30 years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did he give you hell about?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		He said I used the word she and he and all this kind of stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't use she and he?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Tell that guy to fuck off.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		Unbelievable what you said.
		Because, listen...
		One of my former wrestlers who was a school teacher right at the campus at the University of Iowa, and he's pretty strong in his beliefs because he grew up in a family that didn't have a dad, and the government took pretty good care of him also.
		He just sent me a note.
		I told him that story, and he told me that, well, here's how you can talk, and he told me how I can talk.
		But then when he got done, he says, And then go tell that guy to fuck off.
		So that's exactly...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing, Dan.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		This is great.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here's the thing.
		I think the reason why that guy gave you hell for something as simple as saying he and she, that highlights what's wrong here.
		What people are doing with not just gender-neutral language, but with the whole woke movement, politically correct movement...
		Is they have an opportunity to yell at people and tell people what to do.
		It gives assholes and low-status individuals power over other people by enforcing this ideology.
		And it doesn't make any sense.
		Like, you can say she and he, it doesn't make you a bad person.
		And if, by the way, if you change genders and you say she and he and it switches back and forth, that's fine too.
		That's not what I'm talking about.
		What I'm talking about is the intent behind what you said was entirely innocent.
		And the reason why that guy gave you shit about it is because he's got an opportunity to force you to comply with what he thinks are new rules.
		So he thinks he can force them on you and he has a position to have the moral high ground and he has a position to make you feel bad or to make you listen to him.
		That guy can eat shit because people like him are the real problem with this fucking country.
		It's not that people aren't kind.
		It's not that people aren't friendly.
		Most people are kind, and most people are friendly.
		The problem is, whenever this new thing, a new movement comes along, and this one is particularly divisive, because there's so many dipshits that have adopted it, and people that are low-status, unsuccessful, non-disciplined individuals, and they want to force it on other people, and it becomes a big part of their life, is enforcing this kind of language And this kind of ideology on other people.
		That's what's going on today.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I like you saying it, because you can say it a lot better than me, but I feel it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we all feel it.
		People feel pressure, but more of us need to stand up against that and highlight who the humans are that are pointing it out.
		These are piss-poor humans.
		Most of these humans have very little discipline.
		Most of these people that are doing it, they're weak of character.
		The people that are pointing it out and yelling at people for things like, don't use gendered language.
		Those people are dipshits.
		That's the problem.
		And it happened so quick.
		It happened so quick because they recognized that through social media, they could form these little bully gangs.
		And all of them together...
		Because a lot of them are losers and they spend a lot of time online and they don't spend a lot of time socializing in the real world.
		They live in these fucking Twitter groups and they go attack people for shit that's not that big of a deal.
		But they want you to comply.
		They want to use this power of the group Of having a bunch of people who also believe what they believe and attack folks and think that it's right.
		And they get together and reinforce each other constantly online.
		And if you pay attention to them, there's a few people like that that I follow just to see how crazy folks have gotten.
		They're online 12 hours a day just doing that.
		You can't get shit done if you're on Twitter 12 hours a day arguing with people.
		You can't.
		So these are the type of people that are involved in this sort of behavior.
		They're not people that you should aspire to be.
		They're losers.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I like when you're saying that, but I like you're saying it, not me.
		Because, you know, I have...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're a coach at a university.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, not anymore, but yeah, I was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You were, I mean, for a long time.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But I like...
		To somehow get those people that you're talking about to see the light.
		I really would.
		I would like.
		And that's kind of a goal of mine, to see the light like that.
		But I do have my setbacks.
		The other day, I was having breakfast with my family on a birthday breakfast for one of my grandkids.
		And we had a big table, you know, full of...
		We have 23 of us, but one family wasn't there.
		This one here, the one that's with me today, Danny Olste, he wasn't with me, so he has five of them.
		So we had 18, and we just had a breakfast, and we had a birthday party at a restaurant, and so I'm going to go pay the bill, and the bill was, you know...
		It's not bad.
		It was $135, but that's $135 for breakfast for a nice little restaurant.
		And so I went up there, and you have to wear your mask until you get in and sit down and eat.
		And so then I just got up from eating, and I had my mask in my hand.
		And I was looking down at the cash register, and the girl that was there said to me, she goes...
		And I didn't even look at her.
		She goes...
		I was looking down, reading the bill, and she said, put that mask on.
		And I'm looking down, and I'm not looking up.
		I'm not looking up, but I lost my cool.
		And I put my mask on.
		Because I had it right there.
		And I was going to put it on anyway, but I just hadn't put it on yet.
		So I put it on, and I said...
		You really pissed me off.
		And she just didn't know what to say.
		She didn't say a word.
		It wasn't her place.
		She was just working there and stuff like that.
		Pretty young gal.
		And then she gave me the bill and she didn't say anything and I didn't say anything.
		And I gave him the right tip because it was a different lady.
		So then I finally looked up and I said, I never forget.
		That's what I said to her.
		And the funny thing is, I didn't mean to do harm to her, but...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Probably scared the shit out of her.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Because the owner is probably pretty decent friends of my family and all that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a way to say it that's nice.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sir, could you please put your mask on?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you would say, oh, I'm sorry.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I would have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you forget sometimes.
		It's not a normal thing.
		I mean, it's become normal over the last year, but it's not a normal thing to remember to put a mask on.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		Especially when you're working out every day, too.
		Because you don't really want to wear a mask when you're working out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's ridiculous.
		A lot of people have to at gyms.
		I can't wait for this fucking thing to be over.
		But that's the thing with the mask thing.
		I'm not saying that in this case.
		I mean, this lady was at work and she probably does feel nervous about people not wearing masks.
		But there's a thing where people like to yell at people, put your mask on.
		Because they know that you have to.
		And they also know that it's an opportunity for them to tell you what to do.
		People enjoy telling people what to do.
		That's why that dipshit that texted you about gendered language.
		He's just telling you what to do.
		He enjoys telling you what to do.
		And, you know, I don't find any of those people to be of impressive character.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, here's another thing.
		Because it's quite along the same line.
		And I hope I don't get emotional on this one.
		So, you know, when I was 15, I'd won a state championship.
		And...
		My first state championship in wrestling.
		First year as a high school sophomore, because that high school started then.
		Anyway, long story short, this neighbor kid ended up murdering my sister.
		And he had walked to school with me a couple weeks before that and said something to me who I, if I would have communicated, It might have saved her life, you know, just because she probably would have never let the guy into her house.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did he say?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		He just said, like, boy, you got a hot sister, you know, and he was kind of my age, one year older than me, but my sister was four years older than me, so he was probably 16 and she was 19, and she had a boyfriend, and she was living at home yet, and so...
		So, the funny thing is, I actually was going to come home and say something to her, but when I got home, I got distracted, and I said, oh, it's just boy talk, you know, it's just boy talk.
		It was mostly about, he just thought my sister was really hot and that he would like to do something with her, you know, but he never really said it outright.
		I just figured something, you know, the boys would like to do, you know, but...
		Anyway, two weeks later, we're on a fishing trip with my mom and dad, and my sister's supposed to join us, and she doesn't show up because she worked for my dad.
		She went to college for a year, and then she worked for my dad after that as a secretary in the real estate business.
		She didn't show up, so we called the neighbor.
		Back in those days, she didn't have cell phones, so we had a phone call.
		That was outside a cabin that we rented.
		I can date you because the cabin we rented for four bucks a night.
		It's just unheard of.
		That would have been 1964. We were at a payphone about a half a block from the cabin that we were renting.
		We rolled the window down and you put the dime or nickel in the phone.
		My dad called the I was in the back seat.
		My mom and dad were in the front.
		My dad was driving.
		He called the neighbor and asked if my sister's car was still in the driveway.
		He said yes.
		She was supposed to be with us 90 miles away that morning.
		She didn't show up.
		So my dad and my mom get really nervous, and they tell them to go break into that house.
		If you can't get in, break into it, or if she hasn't answered the door, get into that house and call us back.
		So you can see the tension in the front seat of the car.
		I can see my mom and dad worrying.
		The phone rings finally about 15 minutes later, and all of a sudden, my dad drops the phone.
		My mom was starting to go hysterical to know what was wrong.
		He looked over, and I'll never forget this, being a 15-year-old kid.
		My dad said to her, Diane's not alive.
		And oh my God.
		You know, it's just my mom opened the door of the car.
		She took off running back to the block to the cabin.
		I got out and ran after her.
		And when I followed her into the cabin by that time, she was already on the floor.
		And she had grabbed her hair and she was pulling her head, hitting the wooden floor.
		And she looked up and she had blood all over her forehead.
		And So my dad then followed in, and we packed up real quick.
		In about 10 minutes, we left half the stuff there, and we took off from my hometown, 90 miles away.
		But within a half hour of that phone call, I was in the back seat, and there was a lot of trauma going on in that front seat.
		And I said to my dad, Dad, I may know something about this.
		I don't know for sure, but I may.
		And he overreacted.
		He slammed the car, the brakes on the car, got out of the car, came around, opened the door, pulled me out, slammed me against the door.
		What do you mean?
		You may know something about it.
		And then I told him the story about the two weeks before that me walking to school with a neighbor kid and what he had said.
		And he just hugged me and threw me back in the car.
		And we stopped at the next town, which is about 15 miles later, and went into the police station.
		And we told the police what had happened as far as my sister and daughter getting murdered the night before, and we were on our way there, but my kid told me a story that I think if you could help me, As soon as possible.
		So they called ahead to the Waterloo Police Department.
		The Waterloo Police located, he was at work sacking groceries the next day in a grocery store.
		And he'd actually admitted right there that he did it, you know, after they got him.
		But the thing is, what's amazing is...
		This guy, then he escaped from prison after about 20...
		He was only 16. He got life in penitentiary.
		And he escaped, and that pretty much doomed him to ever getting out.
		And then, because he was out for a month before they caught him, and he actually, in the trial, he was so mad about getting sentenced to life in prison that he pointed to the Gable family on the way out, and he said he was going to kill us all.
		So anyway, this guy goes to prison and he lives and he dies in prison after he broke out.
		He never really got a chance to ever let him out.
		But here's the thing.
		So it's just about, I don't know, say it's seven, eight years ago when he passed away.
		But we got another cabin now.
		It's about 30 miles north of the cabin that we were in that time.
		And that was a rental cabin that's torn down now.
		And we go right by that place.
	So we're going right by that place.
	Actually, me and my wife had been at our cabin that my mom and dad owned, and I inherited it when they passed on.
	But we were at that cabin, and we were coming home, and we were going right by the spot where that payphone was and where we had learned about her death.
	And there's a cell phone call.
	It's the warden.
	Of the prison he's in.
	I think it was Indiana.
	He was in Indiana, the prison.
	And the warden told me that The guy that murdered your sister just died.
	The exact same spot where I learned of the murder, I was driving by, and it's about 115 miles from, well, actually a lot further than that.
	So it's like spooky.
	It's like real spooky.
	And then what's really amazing is what he said to me, the warden.
	He said, before he died, He was seeing a counselor, and the counselor told me this, that he said, you know, he repented.
	He said, I really shouldn't have.
	I feel bad about killing Diane Gable.
	I mean, this is years later, but that he had told, and he had been rehabbed somewhat, and he goes, and the reason why, he said, I knew I was going to kill somebody, but he said, because she was such a nice girl.
	You know, oh my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He said he knew he was going to kill somebody?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		He said he knew he was going to kill somebody.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just who he was?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		And they told me that.
		And, you know, I cried for an hour.
		And it got a lot out of me.
		But, you know, as bad as my dad felt, my mom felt, and, you know, I felt probably, I kind of got rid of a lot of hatred when he told me that he admitted that she was such a nice girl and that he shouldn't have done it.
		And it was probably not too flory.
		He probably did it on his deathbed or something, but he probably had all this guilt.
		But it helped me too.
		It helped me because even though I cried for an hour and I think the stuff you build up inside you sometimes, you don't know what it's going to take to get it out of you.
		And I think that really helped me with my situation because you always feel a little guilty because maybe you could have saved her life.
		But more than that, it's been something that I based my whole life on too.
		Just communication.
		I mean, this is your business, communication.
		I mean, sometimes my wife tells me I'm telling her too much.
		You know, you don't need to tell me.
		You know, we don't need to talk about this.
		I said, yeah, I do.
		I do.
		You know, I need to talk about it.
		It's not just that.
		It's just anything that crops up.
		I need to go home and I need to have a conversation with somebody that I like and love.
		And to be able to see whether I'm doing the right thing or I'm not doing the right thing or I'm getting feelings.
		It's like right now talking to you.
		I love the conversation and I love what you're saying.
		Even though I may not feel exactly the same way you do, I love it that you're saying it because you're saying it the way I want to say it.
		And I probably do behind my back.
		I probably don't stand public, but I'm probably trying to help some people too and heal some people or even maybe get them to change or not feel like...
		Because I've been through so many kids and...
		I've just seen some of the things that you've done with these kids and how you've made big differences.
		Just like Rico Ciparelli, which you're talking about.
		Just like a kid named Brad Penrith, who had a twin, and he was not going to make it in life very far.
		By changing him, like, for example, Brad was, he needed to stop drinking, you know, for good.
		You know, he couldn't drink.
		I mean, like, right now, I can drink a beer.
		I'm not going to go crazy.
		But if he drank a beer or two, he'd go crazy.
		I'd get in trouble every time.
		Every time he had a...
		Got in trouble.
		It was alcohol-related.
		And I didn't even know it.
		What's funny about this kid, Brad Penrith, he won a national championship for me as a sophomore, and he got in trouble within a week or two after he won the national championship.
		And it was the first time he ever made the paper.
		They picked him up for intoxication.
		Well, you know what?
		Once they looked him up, He'd already been arrested quite a few times the year before, and they never even put his name in the paper.
		But once he became a famous guy, he made the headlines.
		And so I didn't even know.
		If I'd have known he'd been getting in trouble, I'd probably been working on him before.
		But it's one of these things that...
		It's like who you are.
		It's who you are sometimes.
		But he did well.
		He ended up being a three-time All-American.
		He got in the national finals three times.
		And he won.
		He got beat both times, the other ones.
		But, you know, it was controversial.
		There's calls.
		Could have went his way.
		And he went to become a world silver medalist in the world championships.
		But you know what he had to do?
		He had to He's one of these guys that he can't drink.
	So he gave it up.
	And he hasn't had a drink ever since.
	And he's in his 50s now.
	And he's doing really well.
	Good wife.
	Good kids.
	Here I am.
	I have a beer.
	And we're probably going to drink a beer here sometime.
	But some people can't drink.
	That's just the way it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is just the way it is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this guy just figured it out.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you.
		Going into his senior year, he got in trouble.
		And my AD called me in.
		His name was Bump Elliott.
		He just passed away a couple years ago.
		He's a great, great AD. And he said, Gable, you're winning all these titles.
		You don't need this kid on your team.
		He's been in trouble too many times.
		And I want you to kick him off.
		I don't know if he said kick.
		I want you to take him off the roster.
		And right there, I just froze because I knew this was his only thing.
		And if this is his only thing that's holding him together, we've got to figure something out.
		And I told my athletic director about his history, where he come from.
		He's got a twin brother.
		His twin brother's not getting any wrestling.
		He's all kinds of this and that.
		And I said a few things, and I said, the one thing in his life that is good is wrestling.
		I said, do we want to take that out of him?
		You know, after actually talking to a guy that would listen, he looks at me and he goes, you know, I'll buy that.
		But let me tell you, this is what we got to do.
		In-house treatment for 30 days in a hospital.
		And if you can't do that, and he can't successfully come out, then he's off.
		And he went in 30 days.
		He came out, never drank since.
		And that was 1988, 1987 or 88. And here it is, 2021. He's got a nice wife, nice kids, and he's doing well in his life.
		And some good decisions by a coach and an athletic director.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I love hearing stories like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Some people really can't drink.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Brad was right with Rico, you know, and Roy Selger, that's another name that's crazy, and these guys were hellions, but they could kick butt on the wrestling mat, but they liked to go downtown, and that's when those days, that was the hard days on me, because I had to go downtown and kick them out of the bars.
		Well, they actually warned the bar people that owned the bars that I would be coming in at 12, so they would be hiding out the back, so let us know and we'll run out the back door.
		Those days, they should have probably happened.
		I shouldn't have let it go that far.
		But when you're winning seven, eight, nine straight national titles, sometimes you give a kid a break or two and it comes back to haunt you.
		It became kind of a ritual for me to go leave home about 11.30 every night to go downtown to Iowa City to walk into bars to see where some of the guys were and try to get them home.
		And You know, that was probably not the right way to go about things.
		I should have had them to where I didn't have to do that.
		But, you know, you just, you have, you're winning the Big Tens every year, you're winning the Nassos every year.
		Sometimes you just, you lose control.
		And, uh, It's kind of like how I lost my last match in college, and that's another whole story.
		But you win a lot, and sometimes you think you can cut corners.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you had gone undefeated your entire college career until your last match.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Entire high school career and entire.
		So seven years.
		And that was in Scholastic Wrestling.
		Not freestyle wrestling, because I didn't start wrestling freestyle until in college, but that's the international style.
		And I did lose there.
		But for Scholastic Wrestling, high school was undefeated, and then I was undefeated in college until my last match.
		But, you know, my coaches, and here I was going to become a coach.
		I didn't really know it for sure, but I didn't know anything else, you know, because I was always a team captain, team leader, and all these kind of things.
		So I'm going into the national championship, and it's like, wow.
		I'm the show.
		I mean, I couldn't look at a newspaper because I was on the front page of the Tribune and sports pages.
		It was in Evanston, Illinois.
		And every place I'd go, people would come up to me and all this kind of stuff.
		So from a coaching point of view, if my coaches had to do it over again, and they actually apologized to me years later, but it was like nobody thought I was going to lose.
		Except for one guy.
		One guy actually said I can beat him.
		But he didn't tell me.
		He forgot to tell me.
		So I didn't take him for granted.
		I took him for granted.
		And so I always went through routines, warming up, getting ready mentally.
		We weighed in five hours before a match.
		From then on, you ate and drank a little bit.
		And then focus, focus, rest, focus, focus.
		I was doing interviews with Wide World Sport.
		Right during the national finals.
		And I wasn't the talker.
		Like, I could talk pretty good now.
		Because I learned to talk.
		But at that time, off the mat, I couldn't talk to anybody.
		And so when they put a mic in front of me and they wanted to know about, hey, just say this.
		Say, hey, I'm Dan Gable.
		Come watch me next week on Wide World of Sport as I finish my career 182-0.
		And I hadn't wrestled the match yet.
		And so I was supposed to say that.
		But you think I could say that?
		Hell no, I couldn't say that.
		I kept stuttering, not saying it, and they kept doing it.
		So finally, after about 15 takes, they wrote it out on big cards.
		And so I took about seven takes with that one.
		I think I got it done in about 22 takes.
		But then when I got it done, it wasn't good either.
		They just finally said, oh, that's good enough.
		Get out of here.
		So I turned.
		I'm on deck.
		I'm on deck.
		So they already went through the 118, 126, 134, and I was 142 at that time.
		So 134 is just wrestling.
		And I always warmed up for a good 45 minutes to an hour.
		So I hit a quick warm-up and went out in that match.
		And I didn't realize there was somebody that actually thought they could beat me.
		Even though before, I always did the routine.
		I went through it.
		But I'll tell you what.
		You skip once, you're vulnerable.
		For the only time in my life that within a minute into the match, I could hear the crowd.
		A minute into the match, I could feel how I felt.
		And I was feeling tired and weak.
		I mean, I never knew how you felt in a wrestling match until the match was over.
		And once it was over, Yeah, sometimes I felt good, but sometimes I felt weak and tired.
		But I didn't show it because I didn't think about it.
		I didn't know it.
		But the one time he didn't prepare, and the guy thinking that he could go with you, And you could.
	You take on everything.
	So you take on way more than just your opponent.
	And so I talked myself into wrestling after minute one.
	I kept saying, I gotta keep going.
	I gotta keep working hard.
	And so I got an early lead.
	Just a quick first takedown.
	But I kept feeling how tired I was.
	And I kept hearing the crowd.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think you were so tired?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Because I didn't warm up.
		I was doing talking.
		I was not focusing on my match.
		Concentration.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No warm-up had that much of an effect on your conditioning.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I used to be a pretty...
		Well, even today, as you get older, you notice how if you don't warm up and you hit something really hard, you get exhausted.
		It's probably kind of like that...
		Usually, what I did for warm-ups is probably within a half hour of my match, I would get match heartbeat rate up and go for three or four minutes that way so you don't get real tired.
		But then after that, you'd probably have a little...
		Drink and get ready to go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What would you do for a warm-up?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You had a very specific routine?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
		Pretty much, you know, stretching and jogging and then actually wrestling.
		Actually wrestling pretty hard.
		And to where you would actually sweating good.
		And then I actually got to the point where if I had a lot of time before my match, I would actually go take another shower.
		But usually when you're the fourth guy out or something, you just kind of stayed loose.
		But you didn't really.
		And then right before your match again, you might get your heart rate up again.
		Because your heart rate didn't really go down below 100 probably.
		And in a wrestling match, it's probably going up to 170, 180, stuff like that.
		But you wanted to have your heart rate up to that match pace heart rate for not 7 or 8 minutes because you're not going to recover quick enough.
		You'd still be tired.
		You'd want to be tired.
		So you'd get it up there and spike it up and down for 2 or 3 minutes and hitting some really good execution of wrestling holds.
		We do hand fighting, a lot of hand fighting.
		And that hand fighting can really get that heart rate up and pushing and shoving and hitting some live techniques where the guy was letting you do it, but you're doing it at live pace.
		And you do some sprints and do some tumbling, gymnastics tumbling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But in this match, no warm-up at all?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		When I got done with the 20-second take of the...
		And I had that match to warm up.
		So I probably had 10 minutes instead of my normal 45 minutes or so.
		But I thought I was still ready.
		But it was something out of my control, actually.
		And it took me over.
		But I did talk my way into...
		Because I got ahead, but then I got real far behind.
		I mean, I was behind by six points.
		And then I got ahead by two or three points.
		And that was right towards the end of the match.
		And then there was a flurry.
		Could have went either way, but the referee went his way.
		And that's the way it is.
		I mean, it's just, it's just, that's calls.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does that haunt you to this day?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course it haunts me.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But guess what?
unidentified		I needed that loss.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I really did.
		That loss took me to unbelievable heights that I would have never had without that loss.
		What's unbelievable is if you ask the guy that beat me, Larry Owings, He said, if I had to do it over again, I might have lost that match on purpose.
		Or not even on purpose, just because I didn't know how to handle it.
		I wanted to be an Olympic champion.
		I wanted to be a world champion.
		But when I won that match, there was so much hype.
		I didn't know how to handle it.
		He said, even broke up my marriage.
		He was married, I guess.
		That's what he claimed.
		He claims.
		And he probably came home and just didn't know how to...
		You know, you're not supposed to be...
		It's kind of like with me when going downtown that night.
		You know, I probably shouldn't have been...
		But my wife is behind us and everything, but I probably shouldn't have stayed there.
		Sometimes I didn't tell you this.
		Sometimes I stayed at the bar for a little while and then came home.
		But, you know, I probably shouldn't have stayed at the bar.
		And there's a lot of times when I was on my way home that after coming home at 6.30 or 7 o'clock at night, then I had kids at home and a wife, and they had dinner, and they probably got tired of waiting for me, that they did get tired of waiting for me.
		They would...
		Go have dinner.
		And the time I'd get home, I'd probably have to walk in the bedroom, kiss the kids goodnight, because they were already in bed.
		And that was a tough time in my life, too, because the next year we end up losing the 10th championship, going for the all-time record again.
		Going for the all-time record once, you'd think a guy learned, because then you got 10 years later, you kind of forget, and you do the same damn thing.
		But you do it not as an athlete, you do it as a coach.
		And I think about ending my marriage because my wife, I think, was pretty upset with me.
		And then I got upset with my wife about things.
		And so we struggled pretty hard.
		And you'd think you'd learn, but sometimes you forget.
unidentified		And that loss...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't forget.
		Yeah, I'd love to have won that match.
		I would have loved to have won that match, but not how I won it.
		Because I could have got the call at the end, too, and maybe still won the match.
		Could have went overtime.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you think the loss was very important.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what almost everybody always says about moments, real low moments in their life, when they thought everything was untouchable, and they thought that they were just...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, look at my sister.
		Low moment in my life of all time.
		And pretty much dedicated my life to that moment as far as how I was going to make her proud.
		You know, that type of stuff.
		It's pretty amazing that Those low light, those low points can bring you out and get you back on track, even though it's hard to say that there was good in it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, another thing that I really was scared of in my life, that when My mom and dad wouldn't make it together.
		And it started at a pretty young age.
		And it went all through high school.
		Because even after my sister was murdered as a 10th grader, it didn't let up in my household.
		A lot of late night drinking and yelling.
		And before that 10th grade, it was just mad at each other about something.
		But then after that, a lot of it was about that murder.
		And they'd blame each other and stuff like that.
		We did move back into the same house because they never found the murder weapon.
		It was a knife.
		It could have been one of our knives.
		And there was a lot of blood all over our house.
		And...
		They didn't want to move back in, but I convinced them that we should move back in.
		One of the ways I convinced them was about a month after the murder, when we did move back in, so it was probably the second month, they were up arguing, and I was in bed, and I heard my mom say something that I thought was really stupid.
		She said, I wish I would have raised her a whore because she didn't give in.
		She could have gave in.
		She would still be alive when I heard that.
		I got up and I came out.
		And our home really hadn't become a home again.
		It had been a house.
		We moved back in it, but it hadn't gone.
		Her bedroom was like just there.
		It was just there and the door was always closed.
		And so I looked at him and I said, you know what?
		I'm tired of this fighting.
		And I just heard the conversation that was going on.
		I am moving out of my bedroom.
		I'm moving it right now.
		I'm going into her room and her room is going to become my room and I'm staying there starting right now.
		So I went in, opened the door, went in, closed the door, went to bed, got underneath her covers, went to bed.
		That room probably hadn't been, nobody had been in that room for 30 days, probably 45 days.
		About 10 minutes later, I heard the door.
		They thought I was sleeping.
		They looked inside and saw me sleeping in there, but I wasn't sleeping.
		I don't think I slept that night at all.
		But that is the turnaround for the Gable family in that house.
		We stayed in that house.
		And I never thought they would stay married, and so that was one of the reasons why, besides my sister, I just give them something to really focus on and concentrate.
		So when you went away, they could go to all these events.
		Hell, my dad, when I won the World Championship, it's the only time he didn't go to my event that was a major event, my mom and dad, because it was in communist Bulgaria, Bulgaria.
		And when I won the World Championship, he was down at the Waterloo Courier paper with the editor down there, and it was an odd hour, and he was waiting for the teletype or the machine to come over and see how I did in that event.
		It wasn't that easy to find out.
		So all of a sudden, it comes over.
		It's typed.
		And it was a headline across the paper.
		It said, Dan Gable wins world championship.
		My old man ripped that paper right off that teletype machine and he ran outside and it was early morning and there were people coming to work and he was running down the street swinging that little newspaper yelling, hey, my kid's a world champion!
		My kid's a world champion.
		That kind of stuff is just...
		You can't make that kind of stuff up.
		It's just amazing that...
		But anyway, so what happened is I found out once I went to college that my mom and dad really liked each other.
		I never knew that.
		Because now they only had each other.
		And I wasn't there.
		But they could follow me.
		And they followed me for every...
		And they wrote me every day.
		So I'd get mail every day.
		I'd go to the mailbox and I'd have a letter from my mom every day.
		Seven days a week when I was gone.
		Only 90 miles.
		And in those letters, We used to drink a lot of high C. And when you take the labels off, you could send seven or eight of them in and they'd give you money back.
	So my mom would send me in.
	She'd have a little letter and she'd say, here's some money from the high C and how you doing or something like that.
	And there would always be a quarter, a nickel, a dime, you know, that type of stuff in there.
	So it's pretty amazing.
	And she did that three or four times a week.
	I would get change in the mail.
	But, you know, not a whole lot.
	I was getting a full-ride scholarship.
	That day, you got $25 a month for whatever you wanted to spend it on from the school.
	And then my dad gave me an extra $20 a month.
	And that was all he was costing him, $20.
	Well, he did more than that because he bought me a car, a nice little car, to send me off to college and, you know, that type of stuff.
	But, you know, it's pretty amazing that, you know, what...
	When you find out stuff that they really like you, but yet they still need some common person to follow.
	And I was that guy.
	When I was in high school, I... I was a state champ as a sophomore, which is the first year of high school.
	Then I won state champion as a junior, but I was wrestling.
	My weight was 95 as a sophomore and 103 as a junior.
	In college, the first weights were 118, and my dad thought I should be getting bigger.
	Plus, I was pretty skinny.
	And so my dad says, you know, I want to get you a job this summer going into your senior year because the job you're going to get, you're going to want it because, you know, you like working out hard and stuff like this, but this job's going to be a workout all day long.
	It's going to be with a cement crew.
	He says, you're going to be hauling bags, 94-pound bags of Portland Bank of cement.
	You're going to be digging and shoveling cement.
	You're going to be digging holes.
	You're going to be doing all this hard work, carrying buckets of mud, and by then they called it cement, and so on and so forth.
	You're going to swing in a sledgehammer because you're going to be dealing with a lot of basements because my dad was dealing with the house business.
	And so he got me a job.
	When I was 16 years old, I was still 16 yet in the summer of my junior year.
	So he got me a job.
	Little did I know.
	Again, it's the old days.
	This is what's good about the old days.
unidentified		They had to be 18 to get the job.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It was one of those, you know, where you had to be 18. And I was 16, but my dad was a house builder and he'd always hired this guy to build the basements.
		And he told the guy he wanted me to get a job and the guy says, well, I can't really put him on the books.
		So he says, I'll keep him off the books.
		We'll hire him anyway.
		But he says, you know, we'll just pay him under the cash under the table.
		But my dad says, you don't even have to pay him.
		I'll pay you.
		So after about three days of work, because my dad had scared the daylights out of me, telling me how hard I'd have to work.
		I didn't realize there was people that were just putting their hours in, some of them.
		And I was working arms and legs around these guys, carrying, running.
		And the people kind of looked at me funny for a while, but then they realized I was on a mission.
		Finally, the owner of the cement company, Martinson Construction, Jerry Martinson was his name, called my dad after three days and said, Mr. Gable, you're not going to pay your son.
		We're going to pay your son.
		We'll just do it under the table as well.
		We're going to pay him.
		We're not going to let you pay him.
		You're not going to have to pay him.
		He's working everybody under the table.
		He's getting along with everybody.
		In fact, at lunches, before we eat lunch, he always wants to wrestle everybody on the crew.
		And the first day, these guys, they're old-timers, but they're big guys.
		He's wrestling 103, so he's probably up to 125 right now.
		And he's 125 pounds, and these 250-pound guys, they can't beat him.
		He said he's kicking the shit out of every one of them.
		And they love him.
		And they're having a great time with him.
		In fact, they're giving him all the hard work.
		In fact, when he moves those 94-pound bags of cement off the truck to where they're supposed to go...
		That's not enough for him.
		So they tell him to move those bags again to the other side of the house.
		So it's just crazy, and they're all loving it.
		So, you know, we're going to pay your son.
		We're going to pay your son.
		So, you know, my dad was looking out for me.
		They looked out for my dad.
		That's the good old days.
		The police were looking out for my dad.
		I don't know if we're looking out for many people today.
		And if we are, it's probably of the like.
		And you know what?
		We all need to be of the like.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you used that job as a workout?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Eight hours a day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you gain any weight from that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But I gained strength.
unidentified		Wow.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Because, you know what?
		I wasn't carrying 94-pound bags.
		I put three of them on there.
		So you take 94 times three.
		And that's what I was carrying as a 125-pound kid.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I'd unload them because they'd load them up on me, on my arms, and I'd carry them over to where they're supposed to be.
		Couldn't pick them up all at one time.
		So, you know, I was crazy.
		I was crazy.
		I was definitely crazy.
		And I used to run to work sometimes, and it was a couple miles away, and then run home.
		But guess what?
		I always had a fight.
		So we'd get home about 530. My high school had an open practice for wrestling from 530 to 630 every night after that work.
		So I'd go to work all day, weightlifting all day.
		Then I'd go to wrestling practice for an hour.
		Independent wrestling practice.
		Just open the mat, and somebody would always show up.
		I would always show up, and somebody would always show up that I could wrestle.
		So I was getting all that work, eight hours of weightlifting in a hard type, because I would go crazy.
		I'd run back to get the bags, run between things, and then I'd go to wrestling practice for an hour.
		So then I'd go home and eat.
		I'd go to bed.
		So I was sleeping by 8 o'clock, 8.30 every night, because you had to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning and go to work.
		But I'll tell you, it made you tough.
		It made you tough.
		And there's a lot of things that you did back in those days that you now know that maybe you can't...
		There's easier ways to...
		Not easier way.
		Smarter ways to do things that you probably wouldn't take...
		Give you some more longevity.
		Because, you know, I've worn out my hips.
		I mean, I've got six hips, you know.
		I've got my own, too, and I've got four others.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've had how many hip replacements?
		Let's have some of your beer.
		You've got some Gable beer.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hey, you know what?
		That's some of the rewards you get.
		People name beer after you.
		I got a nutrition drink.
		This Gable beer comes out.
		It's a brewery one half a block from the Gable Museum in Waterloo, Iowa.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the name of the brewery?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Single Speed Brewery.
		Guess who owns it?
		Dave Morgan.
		Guess who Dave Morgan is?
		State Champion Wrestler out of New Hampshire.
		About 30 miles north of Waterloo.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a good beer.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It better be.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I sampled it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's good.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You don't think I want a bad beer?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a good beer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a good beer.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a good beer.
		You know, here's the thing.
		It's been in two contests.
		It's the biggest contest, two out in Denver somewhere.
		And the first year, I didn't get an award.
		So I said, you know, like, what are we going to do about that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I don't like a beer out there without an award.
		I wanted one of these prizes.
		And they said, well, you know what?
		We got the information that the judges gave us.
		We're going to take that.
		We're going to make it better.
		So they made it better.
		So the next year they went back and they got...
		They might have got a bronze medal or they might have got one round of placing or something.
		But they survived the cut and went a long way.
		And they felt pretty good to me.
		And I said...
		It's not gold.
		So somebody heard that, and they liked it, so they come up with a Gable Gold Nutrition drink, and it's up in New Lisbon, Wisconsin.
		There's a former wrestler, again, Brian Slater, who, and one of my former wrestlers, Barry Davis, works up there, used to be the former Wisconsin coach and was a three-time national champion for me.
		Olympic silver medalist, Olympic bronze, Olympic silver medalist as well.
		He works up there and they made a nutrition drink in the last year.
		It's called Gable Gold.
		So I got a Gable beer.
		It's a Munich-style Helles.
		That's where I won the Munichs.
		And if you read it on there, what's it say?
		It says, Gable.
		One word can say so much.
		In our city, few words, if any, resonate with the name Gable.
		I can't even read it.
		I've got to get my glasses here a little bit better.
		He says, but in commemoration of his Olympic triumph in Munich, 1972, we've crafted a beer much more appropriate, approachable, Then adversaries found Dan to be on the mat.
		He says, it's crisp and cold.
		We can't think of a more fitting tribute.
		So Dave Morgan got this beer.
		People love it.
		They want to get it outside Iowa, but it only is in Iowa.
		Because I found out you can't sell it outside without going through a lot of...
		So it goes to the border.
		Now, I've snuck it across the border a few times.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We've got it here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're in Texas.
unidentified		We snuck it across the border.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		We hid it in a package.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of a shame that you can't sell this out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very good.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'd probably go to another level.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would.
		I'd buy this.
		100%.
		I'd keep it stocked here in the studio.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're talking about me, but all my friends, when they found out I'm coming down here, They all have got a hold of me.
		And they all want to tell me, tell them hi, and tell them this, tell them that, and tell them I'm their number one fan.
		And so, you know, you're a big deal.
		I just want you to know that.
		You're a big deal.
		And you know that, but it's not like you care as much as like me.
		I want to be successful, and I want to win.
		I want to do all this great stuff, but that's just part of what I want to do.
		It's not a big deal.
		It's just what I want to do.
		And so if people have a beer to celebrate with, great.
		Now, I do have a limit.
		And I've got a book here, too, and it says, Know Your Limits.
		There's a chapter in that book.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the limit?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, it's a little different than most.
		Whatever you think you can limit.
		For me, it's...
		32 ounces.
		And I usually just say two beers, but these are 12 ounces, so I could have two and a half of these.
		But that was back in a few years ago.
		I'm getting older.
		I don't know if I can still do that limit.
		Because if I look at the times that I've been in trouble with something at all, it's always been a little beer, had a little beer in me, whether it be with the police or whether it be with my wife or whatever.
		So you've got to be smart.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Got to know your limits.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've got to know your limits.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How many hip replacements have you had?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I owned my own, too, because I had two pretty good ones.
		But when I was, let's see, when I was 48, well, actually, I went out to run when I was 38. And all of a sudden, my hip started hurting.
		So I ran through my hip for 10 years.
		If you run far enough, you didn't have a hip pain.
		The pain of running.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The arthritis, right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		The pain of running.
		Just the hurtness.
		You can't breathe.
		You're running hard.
		So for 10 years, I was stupid.
		Because I didn't really know what it was.
		And I didn't really pay any attention.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You just gutted it out.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So finally, when I was 48, I jumped out of bed one morning.
		And when I jumped out of bed, I collapsed.
		And I felt something crunch.
		Couldn't get up.
		It was my last year of coaching, actually.
		And I didn't know it was going to be my last year of coaching.
		But So I went to the doctor and the doctor, Dr. Marsh, a great doctor, orthopedic surgeon, actually he was a surgeon, actually he was a, when you get in an accident, I can't remember the term, not a crisis, but a certain doctor where you bring him in when there's a big accident.
		And they brought me into his place.
		And he looked at it and he says, wow.
		You got a bad hip.
		Really bad.
		And you just fractured it.
		It just splintered.
		It splintered.
		When you jumped out of bed this morning.
		It has been so fragile.
		It just splintered.
		And I had been kind of working through the pain for 10 years.
		So I had to get it fixed during that season.
		And so when I got it fixed, Immediately it felt good.
		Immediately.
		But then I didn't realize my other one was hurting.
		Because that one had the most pain.
		So it was overtaking the other one, even though the other one was bad.
		So he says, we've got to do that other one.
		I said, wow.
		So it took a while.
		It took four, five, six months to heal, to get back going.
		So then they had to wait a little while, and then they did the other one.
		So I, you know, it was...
		Made me think a lot.
		And you know, I don't think that's what got me out of wrestling.
		I think what got me out of wrestling is what I kind of referred to earlier.
		The mind.
		By that I meant that there was a certain way of life that you have lived.
		And if it didn't happen, Like, second place was just not acceptable.
		And so, you know, to me, it was like, I gotta get that other, I gotta get my life back.
		You know, and I went back to my mom, now that I'm thinking.
		Because my mom is what got me out of the sport as a wrestler.
		Because she saw me coming home from, I was in Iowa City and I came home and I went to the high school for a workout and when I walked in the house just to have dinner because I was visiting Waterloo, Iowa, I walked in and I sprained my ankle in practice over there.
		At West High, my high school.
		And so I was limping.
		And my mom looked at me and she said, my God, you're limping?
		He said, you know what?
		You've got to get out of this.
		You've got to get on with your life.
		And I was already on with my life a little bit.
		But I was still contemplating whether I should wrestle again.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How old were you then?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was 23 when I won the Olympics.
		So now I was probably 24. Because wrestling season, October 25th is my birthday.
		So wrestling season probably is in December.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So she was just concerned from injuries and...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, she was just tired of seeing me being lamed up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But 24?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're not even in your prime yet.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I worked pretty hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was the only guy, you know, high school, back in the high school days, when I first came there as a sophomore, I lived across the street from the high school.
		My coach knew that I was a little bit of a fanatic, and so he says, Dan, I live five miles away from West High School, and I'd like to have the doors open in the locker room for the team if they want to come early, even during football or even during wrestling especially.
		He says, I'm going to give you a key to the locker room.
		To where you can just come right in from the outside.
		Because you can come right across this.
		Because I know you want to come, right?
		He goes, I go, yeah, I want to come in the mornings.
		He says, not a required practice.
		And I'll get there, but I'll probably not come right towards the end.
		Because it's just on your own, running, lifting, that type stuff.
		And he says, I'm going to give you a key to this.
		And this, again, good old days.
		You can't do it now.
		But...
		And if you do, you get fired.
		So he gave me a key to school.
		I walked across the street.
		I only had to walk a block.
		And I'd open up the gym door, go in there, and anybody that wanted to come with me.
		Well, nobody came with me at first because wrestling season was just starting, just off of football.
		And some of them took a break.
		And even the wrestlers that didn't wrestle or didn't play football, they weren't about to go in the mornings yet because wrestling practice at 3.30 was a bear.
		We had our team break.
		A bear of a wrestling practice.
unidentified		I'm going to take a drink of this beer, even though I'm probably going to work out yet today.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, so he gave me a key to the school.
		I opened it up.
		Nobody there was me.
		So for the first maybe 10 days, two weeks of the wrestling season, I was the only guy there.
		We had a good team, but they were already doing good with one practice, so they weren't coming to two.
		So all of a sudden, and they didn't know much about me, the old-timers on the team.
		And they didn't really give me any credit yet, because I hadn't done anything.
		I was 0-0 in high school.
		But the coach told me that, you know, that I was going to make the team.
		He could just tell.
		And that he was going to give me this key.
		So all of a sudden, I had the first dual meet, and I win.
		I'm one or no.
		I win.
		Excuse me.
unidentified		I won the second one.
unidentified		Thank you.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I win the third one.
		I win the fourth one.
		I win the fifth one.
		I'm going into my gym.
		I'm about to sixth or seventh.
		And all of a sudden, I open the door and I kind of close.
		I can't get the key out a little bit.
		And somebody bumps into my back.
		And I turn around.
unidentified		There's a wrestler!
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And I go, what are you doing?
		He goes...
		Well, you know, you've been coming.
		Coach tells us you're here every morning.
		I didn't think it was worth it, but you haven't lost a match.
		I think I'm going to join you.
		I said, good.
		So then it was all of a sudden 3, 4, 5, 6. So by the middle season, the end of the season, we had just about everybody coming in the mornings.
		Not the day of the match or the day before, but like three days, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, usually, when you could not get ready for the big matches.
		But that's the way people are.
		You know, it shouldn't take that way, but from a coaching point of view, it taught me a lesson.
		You know, you always have to have a leader in there because you've got to go for help again.
		Here my goal for help is.
		So I have somebody in there besides myself.
		And that's kind of the way we built the University of Iowa up.
		We went for help right away because they weren't that good.
		Iowa State was good, but I thought Iowa was going to be automatically good.
		Because they were good.
		But they didn't know they were good.
		And they never had done good.
		And so they weren't good in their mind.
		And that's what got me out of wrestling.
		My mind.
		So the mind is such a big thing.
		My mind was really hurting more than my body.
		And I didn't really realize it.
		And that's where my mom, I think, understood it.
		And my wife and people like that, they could see that I was kind of going crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		From too much competition.
unidentified		Just...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Too much grinding.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Apparently.
		Apparently.
		Because here's the thing.
		I'd get sick.
		Towards the end of the season, I would get sick.
		For about two weeks straight.
		I mean, kind of sick.
		Oh my God, what's wrong with me?
		I've got to be having cancer or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just you're beating yourself up.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Just the mental strain.
		So we go to the Big Tens, we go to the Nassos, and all of a sudden we're winning the day before the finals and we win the championship the day before.
		Or we don't.
		But whenever we won the championship...
		That night when I went to bed on Saturday night, or even a Friday night if we won the championship and we still had a bunch of guys in the finals, I would wake up the next day healthy.
		So I've been sick for two weeks, and I can wake up healthy as soon as we want.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it was just the pressure.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's probably, I mean...
		If you ever...
		You should watch me...
		How I coached matches sometimes.
		I went crazy.
		I never did that as an athlete.
		I didn't even hardly let the referee raise my hand.
		I was real just humble.
		I didn't jump for joy to anything.
		But as a coach, I went crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that is?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Because I couldn't control it.
		It was somebody else.
		I knew about me.
		I knew I was good.
		But it's somebody else.
		And you just don't...
		And so when they come through for you, it's just better.
		It's better than you know you're going to win, even though you really don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel more joy out of winning as a coach than you did over winning as an athlete?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Coach.
		Definitely.
		Because of exactly what I've been talking about.
		But let me tell you why.
		I didn't even like my athletes.
		I loved them, but We got into conflicts because I pushed them hard.
		And they were going along with it because they had a lot of success too.
		But there was times, there was moments when they looked at me and they put their fist up.
		There was times when they pushed me and I fell over a bike or something like that.
		There was times when it wasn't always pretty.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it was because the way you pushed yourself, they couldn't tolerate it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So when you wanted to do that to them and you wanted them to work as hard as you worked?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Depending on the guy individually.
		Each guy was different.
		And depending on how he was doing, depending on how he's living and if he really wanted to be good.
		But let me go one step further.
		I could handle them guys.
		I could handle them because It was my job.
		I was in a room, a padded room.
		And I could do that.
		And they would go along with me mostly because of the success that people were having.
		But I know what my mom and dad went through when I wrestled.
		My mom often didn't stand inside the gym.
		She often stood outside the gym and looked through the window.
		I mean, it's a tough-ass sport that takes the heart out of you sometimes.
		And it's really tough for a mom or even a dad.
		And so, to me, when I would get into these altercations with my athletes, I could handle it.
		Only one reason.
		Because I knew they had a mom and dad.
		And I knew what the mom and dad, how much they meant.
		Because I knew, I've seen them, how they yelled in the stands.
		I saw them how they, when their kid got their hand raised, what it meant to them.
		The proudness.
		I saw what it did to my mom and dad.
		Kept my mom and dad alive and well until they both died.
		But they were never going to make it, I thought, in marriage.
		But once they married, they were married for over 50 years.
		So, but I never thought that.
		As a kid, I thought that for sure.
		My biggest fear was they're going to get a divorce.
		Now, that was a kid when I was in junior high and in grade school.
		But so anyway, so these kids, every once in a while when I'd really get upset with a kid because...
		He'd miss three days of practice or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like Rico?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like Rico one time did.
		But he had a good reason.
		He had a girlfriend.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've told us about that before.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, you know, I'm one of these coaches that a little bit, I give a little bit, but I always, the first people I looked at After a match, when the kid won or lost, I looked at, I knew where their parents were, if they were there, and I'd look at them, and the look on their face when their kid won a big match, or was just a win, as compared to when they looked on when they lost.
		Oh my gosh.
		And it went right back to my mom and dad, too.
		Just how it kind of appeared to me.
		But I coached more from a motivational point of view, from the parents' point of view, than I did the kid.
		Because I knew the kid was going to be a parent someday.
		He's going to be the same thing, so what the heck.
		It's pretty amazing.
		Pretty amazing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When you look back on your drive, the drive that you had as a competitor, How much did it change after your sister was killed?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How much of a factor was that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It's still a factor.
		It hasn't let up.
		I mean, it's hard to...
		I mean, when you know who killed your sister within 30 minutes of finding out that she's murdered, and you don't know anything else.
		Did you just know she was murdered in her house?
		They found her dead.
		And you, within 30 minutes, tell your dad who it was, and it comes to be true, there's some guilt there.
		But it's the kind of guilt that's not going to hold me back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And anger.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And anger.
unidentified		But...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Mostly from my dad's...
		My dad's point of view is anger.
		Probably more than me.
		But...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You felt guilt.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I felt more guilt, probably.
		Yeah.
		My dad...
		It hurt my dad.
unidentified		But...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And my mom.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But unbelievably...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just so strange that a 16-year-old can do that, and not only that he could do that, but that he knew he was going to kill somebody.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		He was an adopted kid, and he had been in a lot of trouble, but mostly just not that kind of trouble, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he knew eventually he was going to do that.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he said he knew he was going to kill somebody.
		He just didn't know who.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So crazy to hear.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And then he repented at the end.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Sometime towards the end of his jail time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it like knowing that that guy is just rotting away in a jail cell somewhere?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your whole life as a competitor, your whole life as a coach, your whole life as a man.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I know it haunted my mom and dad, I guarantee it.
		I'm hoping that they somehow saw some peace there.
		But for me, you know, I don't...
		I don't think the peace really came to me until he repented and he said that.
		By saying that meant a lot to me.
		My mom and dad were already gone and hopefully they know that and that they can feel it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How much of a factor was that though for you as a competitor?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever thought, obviously you would have much preferred your sister to be alive, Have you ever thought about how much different you were because of that anger and because of that guilt?
unidentified		You know, I never have.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think that's something that I look at the good only on that kind of stuff.
		It's kind of like, you know, talking about people that are just being ridiculous.
		You know, the way I feel.
		I feel like I'm being ridiculous.
		And somehow I have to sit back and say, how can I get through this without saying that they're ridiculous?
		And they are.
		But at the same time...
		I try to feel.
		I try to have a little feeling.
		Try to have.
		Even though it's difficult.
		It's difficult.
		But with my sister, it makes a difference today in my life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For people that don't understand, maybe people that don't follow wrestling, I just want to let them know, in a world of extreme athletes, like the world of wrestling, you were very unusual.
		You stood out.
		You were one of the few people ever in the history of the Olympics to not have a single point scored upon you.
		I mean, that's just phenomenal when you're dealing with world-class wrestlers from all these different countries that are also training the same way you are, just knowing the Olympics is the pinnacle of the sport.
		And for you to go there and not just win, but not get a single point scored on you is just extraordinary.
		That kind of intensity that you carried.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know what really helped me?
		Not knowing it.
		I didn't...
		Nobody told me that...
		I had six matches at the Olympics, and they were nine minutes each, unless you pinned them, and I pinned half of them.
		So I pinned three, and I decisioned three.
		And I ended up winning this final score on the three that I didn't pin.
		I beat them 29 to nothing, total scores.
		But it was one of these things that had I known...
		It would have got into my head.
unidentified		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And I probably would have lost a point or two or something like that.
		It's just one of these things that you stay focused.
		And a good coach, I had a great coach, Bill Farrell, Bill Wick, these are all great coaches.
		And I was around good people.
		I had some wrestlers.
		We had three wrestlers that were on the Iowa State team and had another wrestler that trained with us.
		So we had 40% of the freestyle wrestling team, the Peterson brothers.
		So nobody said, hey, Gable, you realize going into your final match that you're unscored upon?
		Nobody ever said that to me.
		And some coaches actually point stuff out like that.
		But you know what?
		Maybe it's good in some situations.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Depending upon the athlete?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like you asked a question earlier.
		Somebody come in late to practice.
		You know, I had to look and see who did.
		If I felt a certain way about this guy, maybe I was just happy he showed up.
		To me, it's like once you got there at practice, it's what you did during the time of practice, not whether you were here on time or left early or all that kind of stuff.
		What you got accomplished.
		And if you got accomplished an unbelievable a lot that I felt good about, well, And again, it's bad to say that, that you have different standards.
		But, you know, sometimes...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that part of being a coach, though?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's also part of being a dad, right?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think it is.
		Because I look at another kid.
		This blows people's minds here about part of being a coach.
		So I had these Bannock brothers who were really good.
		Some of my first early recruits.
		They were twins.
		And all of a sudden...
		One of them, just you could tell he couldn't take a two-hour practice.
		And by that I mean, not physically, but he got bored.
		He was bored at a practice.
		And almost to the point where he was getting nothing.
		It was going backwards once...
		He only could do a certain style of practice.
		He could most like, if you play pickup basketball, throw the basketball out there, play pickup, just go, go, go.
		No time period, no referees, no nothing.
		So if he come to practice, if you roll the basketball out there, roll the headgear out there, roll the mouthpiece, put it in, and say, Russell, he could go.
		He'd go, and he'd go.
		But if you stopped and had instruction...
		And if you stopped and had verbal talk, and if you stopped and had other things, he just couldn't get that.
		So how does a coach figure out how to get the most out of this guy without hurting the team?
		Because that's kind of like, in wrestling, it's a bear at practice.
		And how do you let one guy do something different than the rest?
		Well, if you're smart, you get 29 other guys to agree that this is what should be done.
		So me, I'm the 30th guy.
		I had coaches I talked to.
		I had a coach named Jay Robinson who was from Oklahoma State.
		He was on our team.
		He had a lot of different philosophies.
		We talked about him.
		We decided to do this.
		Let's talk to the team without Lou there and make sure that they understand where we're thinking.
		They understand how we think, and then we'll see what the response is.
		Can we maybe hold him back a little bit from a standpoint of not maybe letting him come to all the practice?
		Because every practice is...
		Most of them are broke down into certain things.
		Hard wrestling, conditioning, talk, fire up, stuff you have to work on.
		And he wasn't good on that listening.
		He wasn't good on the drilling.
		He was good on live wrestling.
		Let's wrestle!
		So that was about the last hour.
		So I talked to the team.
		I talked to the coaches and I talked to the team.
		And the team listened to what we said.
		We're not trying to cut corners here, guys.
		We want to be better as a team.
		Do you think this wrestler, Lou, would benefit more by not coming to the first part of practice?
		Because you know him better than I do because you're his friends more than I am even.
		I said, do you think he could just come for that second hour and that he would be good or if not better?
		They voted 29-0 that he should only come for the second hour of practice because that first hour was a waste of time for him.
		And noticed when he had to come for the first hour, his second hour wasn't as good.
		We had noticed that.
		And so they voted, easy decision.
		Two-time national champ, third-place finisher, Olympic champ, 1984. The team made a good decision.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		That's how you make decisions sometimes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You get the team on your side.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it like for you making that transition from being a competitor to being a coach?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it difficult or was it natural?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I already had a lot of good...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		As a leader?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I already had that from the YMCA, from all my coaches, from all my...
		Even on academics, I wasn't a good student.
		I took a wrestling coach to an algebra class that was the algebra teacher to get me to become a good student.
		But, you know, it was one of these things...
		What was the question again?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what was it like transitioning from being a competitor to being a coach and whether or not it was easy or difficult?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what, I wasn't going to be as good as I turned out to be because unless it went the way it did.
		I spent four years as an assistant.
		Two years at Iowa State as a grad assistant and didn't really do anything but train there for the Worlds and Olympics.
		But then once I got to the University of Iowa, The head coach was Gary Kurdlemeyer.
		And it was his first year as a head coach.
		He'd been the assistant.
		But he hired me as the assistant.
		But he had been a head coach before in high school.
		And he had been running Iowa's program, even though he wasn't the head coach.
		It was the old-timer, Dave McCuskey, who was there, and he was kind of just settling out his years.
		And so Gary had actually acted as the head coach.
		So he had a lot of clout, he had a lot of knowledge, and he'd been a head coach.
		And so he brought me in, and he taught me unbelievable stuff.
		But here's what's unbelievable about what he taught me right away, in that we started practices.
		And he let me run a couple practices.
		So he'd run a couple, then I'd run a couple, then he'd run a couple, then I'd run a couple.
		Two weeks after we'd been in the season and started, he calls me because we had the same office.
		And he comes over and he sat down and he goes, you know, Gable, I've been watching you at practice.
		You're better in practice than I am with the kids.
		You're going to run all the practices.
		You're going to do all the training of the athletes.
		You're going to do the conversation.
		You're going to do what you want to do to prepare them because you're better than I am.
		First year ever as a head coach in college.
		And he gave me within two weeks, and I just got there back from the Olympics, and he gave me full-time coaching in the wrestling room.
		But guess what?
		And then he goes, but you know what?
		I've already noticed outside the practice room, not quite as good as you are in the practice room.
		You've got to learn to talk a little more.
		I'm going to send you to the clubs in town, the little places that people meet for lunch.
		I'm going to send you to all the fraternities and all the sororities and all the dorms.
		We're going to have speeches.
		You're going to give speeches to all those kids on campus.
		And then he says, I'm going to teach you how to recruit.
		You're going to go with me when we go recruit.
		I'm going to teach you all these different things.
		I'm going to teach you how to fundraise.
		I'm going to teach you how to talk outside the wrestling room.
		All these things that are important.
		And he says, you know, I'm probably not going to coach too long.
		I kind of want to move up in administration.
		So if things go well here for the next three or four years, I'll probably move up and you can move in if things go well.
		Well, exactly four years.
		And we went from a team that was top 20, maybe 15 to 20. We went to probably maybe 7th or 8th the first year.
		Then we went to 4th or 5th.
		Then we won the Big 10s.
		You know, for the first time in a long time.
		Third year, we won the Nationals, too.
		Then the fourth year, we won the Nationals.
		Then he got out.
		He turned it over to me.
		So, you know, he stayed true to his form.
		But he was unbelievable.
		Here's the story.
		I'm at Iowa State.
		I'm training for the Olympics.
		And it's December.
		Olympics are going to be in the summer.
		And I'm defending world champion, and I'm predicted, you know, I'm one of the top seven favored to win the gold medal in the Olympics for America.
		And he knows he's moving up to be a head coach, and he put his eyesight on me.
		So, he had this guy that lived in Iowa City, but he had been away from Iowa City and working out in New York, and he had been working with my Olympic coach, my Olympic coach that I was going to have, because the Olympic coach had a company that was a wrestling company,
		mats and products and shoes and all this kind of stuff and he said he happens to be an Iowa City guy but he's out there in New York working and I'm working with him a little bit about you getting a job over in Ames, Iowa and
		So he went to work for Dr. Harold Nichols' business, who was the head coach of Ames, who was my coach, and he went to work there because he had a good reputation and he did a good job on that type of business.
		But University of Iowa, Gary Kirtlemyer, sent him over as a spy.
	To follow me.
	Not just to see how good I was, but mostly to see how they could land me over at the University of Iowa as his assistant.
	He was over there the whole time.
	There's all these things that were going on.
	They were telling me, he'd come over and he'd talk to me.
	And I said, I really didn't want to make a decision now because I want to win the Olympics and all this kind of stuff.
	I don't want to be bothered by coaching right now.
	So they said, fine, take your time.
	So all of a sudden, he's getting reports, though, because this guy comes in and watches practice and so on and so forth.
	And I don't know this, though.
	And nobody knows it at Ames.
	So it's kind of interesting.
	So they get me to...
	He's got a report back home.
	So all of a sudden, he calls me.
	He says, you know, what do you think?
	I said, well, you said I didn't have to know until after the Olympics.
	And he goes, well, just give me an inkling.
	I said, I really don't know.
	And so he says, okay.
	I want to call you back, though, but, you know, go ahead, just whatever you're doing.
	He waited like three days to call me back and told me to take it or leave it.
	And I had no idea.
	I hadn't even thought about it.
	Well, little did I know, and he was getting reports every day about me, and so I was getting good reports.
	But little did I know that this guy was also, and the guy was the head coach, was working with my mom and dad.
unidentified		Oh, no.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Not...
		From their point of view, but visits, visits, visits.
		And guess what?
		All my friends were getting visits from these guys.
		Phone calls, visits.
		They were doing their homework.
		Because when they called me and said, take it or leave it, I said, I can't tell you.
		They said, well, you're going to take it or leave it.
		You have to know about tomorrow.
		So guess what I do?
		I call my mom and dad.
		I called my dad.
		I said, Dad, he put this pressure on me.
		I have to take it by tomorrow.
		What should I do, Dad?
		He kind of hesitates.
		He goes, Take it.
		I said, Take it?
		Put Mom on the phone.
		I said, Mom, I'm in this position.
		She goes, Yeah, I know what it is.
		I go, You know?
unidentified		She goes, Take it.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I said, No, I'll call you later.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So I call my friends, and I call my friends, and they all said, take it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You've got to hold everybody.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But I had no idea what was going on.
		So the next day, I called and took.
		The next day, I had no choice.
		I hadn't even thought about it.
		And so...
		I thought I was being an idiot, not taking it, because everybody told me to take it.
		So I took it, and then Coach Nichols found out about it, and he got upset, and he came up, because I was visiting home that weekend in Waterloo, Iowa, and so he said, had you signed anything?
		I said, no.
		He said, well, if you haven't signed anything, just turn it down.
		Well, I had already committed verbally, so I took it.
		But what I didn't realize is, and I said, I'll be back.
		I'll be back next year.
		There's no way I'm going to stay over there.
		But what I forgot, and I didn't understand, it's just like me with my teams, that I was kind of the leaders on the teams, really liked the kids on the teams, and I had an effect on them.
		They had an effect on me.
		They helped me out.
		They helped me drink beer, maybe.
		But, you know, it was one of these things that, That once you realize something and you don't really know what to do, you just kind of go for help again.
		And when I went for help, I told them, because I was getting ready for the Olympics, I told them, okay, I'll take it.
		But yet I didn't really think.
		So anyway, so I go to the first day of practice at Iowa, and I actually liked it.
		I mean, I liked the kids.
		I liked them.
		And that's what you don't really realize.
		You don't really realize how you're going to fit in until you get there.
		And I said, after like three or four practices, I said, you guys are great.
		You guys are good.
		You're as good as...
		I've been around state championship high school teams.
		I've been around college teams.
		I've been around...
		In the summer, I go to these Olympic training camps.
unidentified		And I said, you guys are really good.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't know it.
		They didn't know it.
		They just were good, but didn't know it.
		Whereas all these other guys were good and knew it.
		So the head coach, Kirtlmeier, he goes to me.
		He goes, what do you think, what kind of plans should we be on?
		This is after I committed and I came over and we were coaching for about a month and we were in the same office.
		And he goes, what kind of plans should we be on?
		I said, I think we...
		I think he actually said this to me.
		He goes, I think we should make a four-year plan.
		By the end of the fourth year, that we should be winning Big Ten and national titles.
		I looked at him.
		I said, are you nuts?
		We're going to win this year.
		I said, I've been around good wrestling.
		These guys are good.
		He goes, well, there's more to it than just being a good wrestler.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's saying that to you?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is the head guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know, but still, you're Dan Gable.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but not then.
		Not the coach.
		People didn't know I was going to be a good coach.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but still, you understand wrestling.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		People tell me today that when I came over as an athlete, they said, we never thought you could be a good coach.
		People tell me that today, and they said, we sure found out wrong, didn't we?
		So, you gotta remember, that's the beginning of my coaching.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I understand that, but don't you think part of what being a coach is, is inspiring the athletes?
		And there's no one that's gonna be more inspirational to an athlete than someone who is literally one of the greatest of all time at the sport.
		There's a thing about athletes when they're in the presence of greatness.
		It inspires them to raise their own level.
		When you're in the presence of someone who has done what you aspire to do and they're one of those people that's achieved what you aspire to achieve and they're one of the legends of the sport.
		That alone is very valuable.
		It's incredibly valuable because for athletes, they live and die in their own mind.
		You know, there's physical ability, which is a huge component, but a lot of guys have physical ability.
		There's a lot of good genetics when you get to a top team or a top, when you get to, whether it's mixed martial arts fighters or boxers or whatever, there's a lot of really good athletes.
		But when someone can be inspirational, when someone is like, you know, if you're getting coached, if you're a boxer and getting coached by Marvin Hagler, that means something.
		You know, there's more to it than just the technical aspects of them showing you how to succeed.
		There's something about having a guy like you as a coach that's insanely valuable to an athlete.
		I mean, you can't put a value on it because it's inspirational.
		It's fuel.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, I agree totally.
		But you remember when I talked about the key to the door and then all of a sudden I had to be successful before others, even though they...
		Well, I didn't really have any credentials at that time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		As a coach?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, as an athlete even.
		That sophomore year, I hadn't won anything.
		So I can see why they didn't jump on board.
		I did have credentials as an athlete coming into coaching.
		But...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What'd you write down?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to tell you the story here.
		So the story is, so we're now at practice.
		I'm running practice.
		Gerdelmeyer's in there with me.
		He's running practice with me, but he's the head, but he's being my assistant in the room.
		And we're only there for a couple, we've only been there for a week or two.
		And a security guy comes into practice.
		And when he comes into practice, he called me over, or he called Gerdelmeyer over, and then they called me over and they talked to us.
		And he said that there's been a gas leak in a pipe in the building.
		And we are going around telling everybody this, that's here working out, that they have the right to know this and that they can leave or should leave if they want to.
		And I said, well, I look at Gary and I said, we better get the heck out of here because we don't want to get blown up or anything, you know.
		Gas leak.
		He said, I said, is it really dangerous?
		He goes, no danger.
		We've already fixed the problem.
		It was just a leak.
		We had a valve.
		We shut it off.
		It's okay, but they're making us do this.
		So you got your choice, stay or go.
		And I looked at Kurt and I said, We're not going.
		We're not going.
		We're staying.
		But you still got to tell your athletes.
		They can go if they want.
		I said, no, they won't leave.
		Kurtelmeier looked at me like funny because he'd been around.
		He'd known the guys.
		But we had recruited eight new athletes.
		But they were recruited with me as the assistant and me in the conversation.
		So we went and pulled the team apart and said, guys, here's the situation.
		Now, we've been only two or three weeks into practice.
		Gas leak, we don't have the right to keep you here if you want to leave.
		No danger.
		Security guy, no danger, right?
		No danger, coaches.
		But we can tell you that if they want to leave, they can leave.
		I said, okay.
		Okay, guys, nobody's going to leave, right?
		The only eight athletes left were the freshmen that we had recruited.
		The other 24 got up, walked, and I yelled, guys, where are you going?
		Coach, we get a chance to get out of practice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		See, that's what I was dealing with that I didn't understand as a coach.
		Never in my life had I been around non-championship teams, whether it be high school or college or the Olympic type states.
		So this was new to me.
		And Kurt Meyer looked at me like it was a teaching moment for me.
		It was a teaching moment.
		And it was kind of like those guys that didn't show up until I proved that I won.
		So once we started winning a little bit more, once some of these freshmen started making varsity and all that kind of stuff, these guys, they would have stayed.
		Some of them.
		Not all of them.
		And, you know, it's a process.
		And the Kirtelmeyer goes to me, the coach, he says, you know, Gable, we're on a, like I said, we're on a four-year plan to win the Nationals.
		And I looked at him and I said, we'll win it this year.
		And he said...
		I think you better, you know, that's a great goal, but it's going to take a while.
		So the first year we had one champ, and we hadn't had a champ for a while.
		But we didn't win.
		We got fifth, I think.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the issue was the fact that these athletes that had already been there had been accustomed to a lower level?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And they really hadn't had the success.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And wrestling practice is hard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to tell you something about jujitsu.
		There's one team, the Henzo Gracie team out of New York City, that is, they dominate, in particular, the guys that are coached by this guy named John Donaher.
		And they were in town this past weekend for a jujitsu match.
		There's a guy named Gordon Ryan.
		He's the pound for pound greatest of all time.
		He has a hard time finding matches.
		Not only does he submit people, but he tells...
		Let me show you something.
		He was competing against this guy named Wagner Rocha.
		Wagner Hocha.
		And Wagner is a top-level jiu-jitsu guy.
		He's a little smaller than Gordon, but he's still a top-level guy.
		He's an elite Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.
		And Gordon is competing against him and puts in an envelope.
		How he's going to beat him.
		And he gives it to the commentators before the match.
		And he says, open this after the match.
		And then he puts a triangle.
		And he says, who's next?
		And he taps him with a triangle in the match.
		I was there.
		It was amazing.
		He just completely dominated him, brutalized him, waited for his time, and then tapped him with a triangle.
		Afterwards, I take John Donaher and Craig Jones and Lex Friedman.
		You know Lex.
		We all go out to dinner.
		And we talk.
		And I said to John Donaher, we're talking about how they train and what they do.
		And he was telling me about athletes that come and train with them, and they go through one brutal training session, and he says, "I'll see you tomorrow." And he goes, "You guys train like this two days in a row?" And he goes, "Yeah, two days in a row." And he goes, "So, some of them come the next day, and some of them don't.
		And the ones that come the next day, he goes, "Okay, I'll see you tomorrow." And he goes, "You guys train like this three days in a row?" And he goes, we train like this seven days in a row.
		I go, you train seven days in a row?
		And he goes, seven days in a row.
		I go, you don't believe in rest days?
		And he goes, no.
		He goes, if you're really tired, train light.
		You'll have an active recovery.
		This team is dominating jujitsu.
		When I say dominating, I mean, it's an understatement.
		Guys are living in Puerto Rico right now to train with these guys.
		Because they left New York City, Dan.
		Because New York City has these draconian lockdown laws that are similar to Los Angeles where they shut down all the jujitsu gyms.
		They shut down everything.
		They shut down restaurants, comedy clubs.
		So people are trying to scramble and figure out how to survive.
		So these guys out of the Donaher Death Squad at a Henzo Gracie school, they moved to Puerto Rico.
		They moved to a fucking island in the middle of the ocean so that they could train jiu-jitsu and compete.
		And people are flying and moving to Puerto Rico to train with them.
		But when they get there and they find out it's seven days a week.
		There's no rest days.
		The rest day is you train lighter.
		Like if you just go there and just don't try as hard if you need a day off.
		But we'll see you tomorrow.
		And these guys are dominating.
		And there's a thing about that that you see in wrestling that just...
		A lot of people don't want to accept the workload.
		They don't want to accept the workload that's required to be elite.
		You know that better than anybody.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well said, actually.
		Because, you know, I'm an everyday guy.
		Everyday.
		I don't miss a day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Seven days a week.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Seven days a week.
		The only time I've ever missed is if I was in the hospital on my back and couldn't move.
		And then I was probably trying to crawl out and do push-ups or something.
		If I had my hips getting replaced or something, or I'd have a rope where I'd pull myself up or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And to this day, you still do that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I have seven days a week.
		But here's the thing.
		I'm the master in recovery.
		So, what you mentioned is...
		What I'm good at.
		Yeah, obviously I work extremely hard, or I have and do and will, and I won't let up on that.
		But I also know how to adjust a little bit.
		Now, when science didn't tell me and I just went with what science was and now it's different, well, I'm sorry because I messed up, but I went with the rules at that time.
		But if there's something that changes that's better, I'll go with that.
		And so to me, it's like I'm...
		I know if I'm really sore, I know I can warm up long enough where I will not be sore.
		It might take an extra hour.
		So if I'm unbelievably sore, I'm going to warm up for an extra hour.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Two hours of warm up.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever it is.
		Whatever it takes to where I feel good.
		I'm going to get rid of my soreness.
		I also know that when practice is over...
		Mentally thinking about the practice and physically recovering has a lot to do with what you do.
		And I spend at least with my athletes and myself, at least...
		An hour, at least, after practice is over, recovering before leaving the building.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you do for recovering?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Mostly heat, mostly ice, mostly massage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're a big sauna guy, right?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Big sauna guy, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Me as well.
		I love it.
		I do it every day.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I do it every day, and lately I haven't been able to do it for about a week because the place I'm at in Florida right now, they're putting a new one in, so it's kind of being constructed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What temperature do you like to do with that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it is, as long as it's hot.
		But I really like...
		I like some water over the rocks.
		And I like probably a minimum 170, but I could go 220. I could do...
		I mean, I can do whatever.
		You know, I've been in saunas.
		I accidentally walked in one at 330 one time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		330?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, accidentally.
		Because it was one of these...
		Woodburners, and I didn't look at the thing, and I jumped in there.
		It almost caught me on fire, but I turned around and got out, and I let it go down to 260 before I got into it.
		260?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's roast beef.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, I know.
		Where you like it, it depends on how much time I have, but I'm comfortable with 170, I'm comfortable with 180, 190. I'm comfortable.
		If I put more water on it, I can go in 165 or something.
		But I do not want to walk in a sauna and have to work to sweat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So I want to recover to sweat.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you learn this from foreign athletes in other countries?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I learned it from a guy that I trained with from my hometown named Bob Buzzard, who was about six or seven years older than me, who was a great wrestler at Iowa State.
		He was on the Olympic team, too.
		He was a local kid.
		But, you know, at that time, he probably, you know, he showed me, he took me into one of them and showed me how, I think we probably used it for losing weight then, but But over time, eventually, we learned how to use it for recovery.
		Because once you're done with practice and you go to heat right away if you want to, you don't have to do anything.
		You're just sweating.
		You don't have to do anything.
		And it actually takes out the lactic acid in your muscles from a hard workout and makes you recover quicker.
		But you don't just combine that with heat alone.
		Now you've got to go to cold.
		So you go to cold shower.
		And then probably go back into another heat again.
		And you go back into cold.
		And I'm telling you...
		After we get done practicing Olympic training, a lot of times I would come back, I'd be the last guy to leave practice, and I'd get there after everybody had been done eating and everything, and I'd go eat, and I'd be about an hour after I'd been done eating, and I'd say, guys, I feel pretty good.
		I'm going to go out for a hard run.
		Anybody want to go with me?
		Okay, well, we're exhausted.
		And even the guys that won the gold medals with me and stuff like that, they just couldn't figure out how I could recover so quick.
		But none of them were there sitting with me that hour of recovery in the hot, in the cold, back in the hot, back in the cold, getting a massage.
		They might have been getting a massage, but they probably skipped some of that stuff.
		The suffering.
		Actually, the suffering was probably whoever's getting beat up on the mat.
		But then it seems to me like if you have that temperature right and that humidity right, it's just unbelievable relaxing.
		And there's proof.
		There's proof in the pudding right now that you can look it up.
		And they got all these studies.
		Before, it was all anecdotal.
		There's no anecdotal anymore.
		It's proof.
		They do studies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's legit.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So do you do ice baths as well?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		Let me do those.
		I love doing them in the lakes.
		Every place I go in my life, except right now, at the Florida condo, they don't have a sauna.
		They got one there.
		It's just not put together yet, but it's going to be put together.
		But every place I go, I have an Airdyne.
		That's a bike that's good.
		Because my joints, it's too hard to run.
		I do more damage.
		You've got to be smart as you're getting older.
		I've got a workout room, and I usually always have saunas.
		I've got a fishing cabin up in northeast Iowa.
		I've got a wood-burning sauna right on the river.
		And I got an airdyne there.
		And I got weights.
		And I got a chin and bar.
		So I go to my other...
		I go to Minnesota cabin.
		I got a little garage by the lake that's got an airdyne.
		It's got a set of weights.
		I got a big lake there to jump in.
		I got a hot sauna right on the lake.
		A wood burner.
		I don't go anywhere without it.
		I do a lot of homework before I travel.
		You know?
		I do have a swimming pool here.
		I swam this morning.
		I'm going to work out when I leave here.
		I'd love to jump in a hot sauna or steam, but they don't have one because it's shut down right now on just these two days.
		But I already checked it out.
		But I can handle it.
		I'll just do a little more working.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But every day?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Every day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Seven days a week?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Seven days a week.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about people that don't think you should do that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do it to where I don't overdo it anymore.
		I may have overdone it at times when I didn't know better, or that was my philosophy.
		Sometimes you've got to overdo things, but you really don't want to do something that's going to hurt you.
		So, if I had to do it all over again, I'd have that same attitude.
		But I'd be more educated, and I would do things differently.
		In fact, I coached differently at the end of my career as I did at the beginning of my career.
		Some of these days that I took these kids up on Carver Hawkeye Arena, and it's about a quarter mile along the top of the arena, and it's concrete, and I ran the hell out of them, and I ran the stairs, 44 steps, concrete, and then I did it again the next day.
		I wouldn't do it the next day anymore.
		If I worked you really hard in something, I would give you more recovery time to make sure that in the long run, you're going to be healthier.
		I wouldn't cut the learning time.
		I wouldn't cut down the actual effort when I do it.
		But I would give you the more science to make sure you can last, longevity.
		But you only go with what you know.
		And you know what you know right now if you stay educated.
		Things change a lot.
		I'd be a lot healthier now with my knees if the doctors didn't take all the cartilage out of my knees because one year they said there was no function in cartilage.
		And I said, but what's the recovery time?
		Well, if we take the cartilage out, it won't be very long.
		You can take about six weeks.
		But if we tie it back down, this was in 1973. They took the cartilage out of your knees?
		Well, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You say that like it's normal.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Back in 1973, there was no function.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		At the University of Iowa Hospitals, there was no function yet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what they thought.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, they just didn't know.
		That's crazy.
		So in 1974, I go back with the other knee, and I go, well, are you just going to take this one out too?
		Because it hadn't affected me yet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And this was why you're still competing.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm done.
		I'm done.
		I stopped after 72, basically.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So your knees have been destroyed just from training?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They weren't too bad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're taking your cartilage out.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, they took them out one side.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But not meniscus, just the cartilage?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I meant, meniscus.
unidentified		Excuse me.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		That's what I meant.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the meniscus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They took the meniscus out.
		But they can also tie it down.
		When there's a tear, if you tie it down, it repairs itself.
		But it takes, instead of six weeks or four weeks, it takes three months to four months to heal.
		And I asked them, and they told me that it was no difference.
		They didn't know.
		So I said, well, give me the simplest.
		Well, we'll just take it out.
		So the next year- On the right side, on my outside of my knee.
		So then they said, okay, I came in the next chair and I go, well, just take it out because I want to get out of here and I want to get healthy quick.
		They go, well...
		We can tie that down.
		In the long run, it'd be a lot better.
		I go, wait a minute.
		I was here a year ago.
		Well, we just discovered.
		That was a new discovery this year.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I said, whoa.
		Okay, I'll do that.
		So, you know, it's just a matter of when you do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do the tie down work?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		My left knee is pretty good.
		My right knee is hurting me right now.
		I got a bigger cyst behind it right now.
		But it's not that bad.
		But it causes me to...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever thought about getting it resurfaced?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know...
		I don't know yet.
		It's not that bad.
		Remember when I jumped out of bed and I couldn't walk anymore?
		Well, I'm not there yet with my niece.
		And even a doctor told me that about a year ago.
		Same doctor did my hips.
		I went in because I was a little concerned and he goes, you know, I remember when you came in, you're not there yet.
		He said, you can wait a little longer.
		I think there might be science every year is a little better.
		A little change.
		So the longer you can wait, the better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Especially medical science.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So as long as you don't Aren't in extreme pain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can handle it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So, have you ever gotten any stem cell shots or anything like that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think I got those on my shoulders before.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your shoulders bad too?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Didn't I tell you I had 22 surgeries?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, you left that out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You told me you had six hips.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, I had six hips and I had four.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So I had four new hips.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		The doctor said last year, my hips have been in for eight, ten years now, the second set.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And he said they look really good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's nice.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But I kept wrestling and pounding on the first set.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And I adjusted smarter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So even after the hips, you're running and doing everything else?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You were at the time?
		I did.
		I did for the next eight years.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then you had to get them replaced?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, again, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're better with those too, right?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, different product.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Definitely different products, all that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		22 shoulder surgeries?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I mean, if you add them up, you know, I got probably five, six cuts on my knees.
		I have four hips.
		I have two or three lip surgeries.
		You know what it was?
		I didn't wear a mouthpiece.
		All I had to wear was a mouthpiece.
		I would never have had a hip on my mouth.
		But that was, you know, and finally after about five years of coaching, they said, I think you should wear a mouthpiece.
		You know, and so then nobody gets hurt anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Especially when it really came out was when the blood was being bad or something.
		I can't remember what that was.
		Because you bite your tongue a lot.
		So the mouthpieces really prevent a lot of that stuff.
		So in wrestling, headgear and mouthpiece are really critical.
		They really are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have a lot of friends in jiu-jitsu that they love having cauliflower ear.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You may love it, but you know what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't have it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've always worn headgear.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So I always wore headgear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's just with the way you hear.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It does.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It does.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And a little bit, they stick out once in a while, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, they like it because it looks cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of guys do.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, they think it's your trademark.
unidentified		Yes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Some girls don't like them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those girls are useless.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		My wife doesn't mind it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure she doesn't.
		But, I mean, there's a function to the shape of your ear.
		It's like it helps you hear better.
		I don't want to have problems hearing.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I have a little bit of cauliflower, like in little spots and stuff, but I just think there's a reason why your ear is designed that way.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, you're right.
		You're right.
		No, I think a headgear for wrestling is pretty damn good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Mouthpiece is important, too.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you can't wear a headgear in Olympic wrestling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Unless you get a doctor's order.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's just competing.
		That makes sense to me.
		I understand that.
		I want to talk to you about the difference between the way the Russians approached wrestling versus the way the Americans approached wrestling.
		Because I know that you are a big fan of the Russians and their technique.
		When did you realize that they had a different approach?
		How do you feel about that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I was just a goer.
		I mean, at the beginning, you know, I just a tough guy, you know, just throw the ball out there and turn me loose.
		In fact, in college, that's kind of how we trained.
		We had enough good athletes so we could just wrestle each other.
		We didn't have to have structure and all that kind of stuff.
		And I'll tell you, once you started watching, once you got a little bit and watched the practice from the Russians and the coaches, you realized they were technicals crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When did you first see that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I saw it until after I was done with college.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Can you believe that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I was around him a little bit.
		I went to the 1970 World Championships in Canada.
		They were in Canada and...
		I was like a spy again.
		I was the spy this time.
		Because I was an alternate to Bobby Douglas.
		And so what I did was all these foreign countries that worked out, I went to the practices and watched them.
		They thought I was a person that was like a keeper there.
		They didn't know that there's a little guy spying on you.
		I kind of learned that from a guy spying on me, from hiring me at Iowa later on, I guess, too.
		So I would follow this guy.
		I'd follow the teams around and watch them.
		And they were really, really technically oriented, strategically oriented.
		They didn't do as much conditioning as we did and that type of stuff.
		So they were very, very much science.
		Very much a lot of science.
		And I don't think I really...
		Again, I lost to Owings.
		That really helped me become more of a guy that...
		Pay attention to details.
		Pay attention to details.
		Coaching details.
		Don't get caught up on this.
		And I also kind of said, maybe I've got to get better too.
		Maybe I've got to get better.
		So when I went to these world championships that summer...
		In Canada, I really followed a lot of the top wrestlers.
		Sometimes I followed them right after matches, right into their locker rooms or right back where their team was staying.
		They just thought I was the guy that was there.
		They didn't really know that I was doing spying.
		I was just surprised how things were different a lot than how I was myself trained.
		I knew that when I lost that match to Owings, I didn't know how to finish a match, even though I didn't know how to start it on that one because I wasn't ready.
		But I knew that I didn't know how to strategically finish a match.
unidentified		How so?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by that?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was ahead, and I could have just kind of maybe stalled it out, but I didn't know how to stall.
		So there's actually an art installing.
		Even though you don't like the word.
		When I was in the finals of the Worlds and the Olympics, I could have probably scored more.
		But you're taking a risk.
		Because the only way you're going to lose...
		They had rules.
		You could actually lose...
		You could get beat, but you could actually lose and win and stuff like that.
		It's not so much that way now, but back when I wrestled, there were.
		I needed to not put myself in any danger at the end of a match to make sure I would win.
		So it's kind of like, okay, how do you tie a guy up where he can't move?
		You don't necessarily have to shoot underneath him.
		You don't have to do holds on him.
		You don't have to risk for scoring, but you've got to tie him up.
		It's kind of like you learn defense.
		I didn't really have much of a defense until I got beat by Owings, and then I realized that I've got to learn how to finish, and I've got to have a better defense and how to score from a defense.
		Because I was just offensive-minded.
		And I learned by watching these Russians that they have really good defenses.
		And so that really shuts their area down for scoring on them.
		And especially during the end of the match.
		Because if you're going to end and you're going to win a match pretty easily, but if you take risk, you could lose.
		Why do that?
unidentified		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So I actually...
		The last minute or two of the match in my world final match, it was in Bulgaria.
		It was outside in a soccer stadium.
		There was 12,000 Bulgarians rooting for the Bulgarian, and I just tied him up for about a minute to win the match easily.
		I was ahead 8-3, and so I didn't take any risk, and I won solid.
		So in the Olympic finals, the only way he could beat me, actually, he could take me down and still beat me, but the only way he could beat me is he had to pin me to beat me.
		And so when I'm up in the last minute or two, I just kind of tied him up and stayed with him and didn't worry about too much for me scoring.
		So there's strategy that I didn't really know at the beginning.
		And the technique part, too.
		So, you know, in wrestling, you can shoot.
		You know, you didn't know how to do moves from one side.
		But this is what's crazy about wrestling.
		You could have ten moves.
		But if you did the same moves from the other side of the body, you got 20 moves.
		So you definitely need to know how to score from both sides of the body.
		And you could be better at one side.
		But if you only are one-sided, what happens if a guy comes out and he's all a one-sided wrestler, just the side that you're not good at?
		You're in trouble.
		So wrestlers, you know, we have to be aware of that.
		And you have to, like I shoot a high crotch really good to one side.
		I have a high crotch the other side, not quite as good.
		But I have a single leg the other side that's really good.
		You know, that type of thing.
		Or I have a fireman carry to this side.
		And I have a two-on-one foot sweep to this side.
		So I got a balance of how I wrestle.
		Because you just don't know what you're coming up against.
		And you never know where you're going to be in a flurry to be able to score.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you see about the way the Russians trained?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was different?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They were already good.
		They had their sports schools back in the day, and they had the right people in their sport.
		Anybody can wrestle in America, and anybody could wrestle in Russia, but chances are you were actually handpicked to be for that sport.
		That's how it was at the beginning.
		It's not quite as much that way now, but...
		I did see that everyone was pretty much, they looked alike.
		There was a few that kind of broke that wave and showed that they can also go the other way too.
		But what I noticed was they had a lot of the same moves, everybody, and they all had the same stance.
		You could kind of prepare for them.
		If you prepare for a Russian, here's what you do.
		Boom, boom, boom, boom.
		If you prepare for an American, you don't know what you'll get.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Which makes it a little harder to prepare, but you might not be as good.
		You just might not be as good because they are damn good.
		Because they have their best athletes in the right sports.
		And sometimes we don't have that.
		Sometimes I just chose.
		To be honest, wrestling was my best sport.
unidentified		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Even though I did other sports until 10th grade.
		I did swimming until 7th grade.
		I did baseball, football, all through 7th, 8th, and 9th grade, along with wrestling.
		I played basketball even at the Y in some events.
		It's just...
		They handpicked people and put them in their best...
		what they can do best at.
		So that's why...
		They're talented!
		They're talented!
		They had some talent!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So they were good to begin with.
unidentified		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They were people that were designed for wrestling or built for wrestling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But what was the difference in the technical aspect of their training as opposed to the way the Americans trained?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They were technical as hell.
		And by that I mean they would hit solid repetitions of live action with one side and not the other.
		So they would do a lot.
		They might go out and they might perform a live action move 12 times in 3 minutes.
		Whereas if we were going one-on-one live, both guys going tough, nobody might not hit a move because we're going tough.
		It's called drilling, but it's called live drilling.
		They did a lot more live drilling, and they knew how to do that better than we did.
		We have picked it up pretty damn well now, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because we learned from them.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And how did they figure it out?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, structure.
		They have more structure in their system.
		That's just the way it is.
		You walk in their house and if you talk, the government's listening.
		Back in the day, I'm talking about the communism.
		It goes back to the communism.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think still today.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They might be listening here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're definitely listening to us.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're trying to...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that what we're trying to do in America now?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People are trying to listen to us.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		In America?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, they want to listen to us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But not...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Surveillance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we don't want that.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		We don't want that, do we?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm very nervous about that.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty outspoken about that.
		Yeah, I am as well.
		I don't like to say much because I don't want to get people...
		I like everybody.
		But I certainly don't want to have that kind of scare tactics for me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't either.
		And that's how it goes.
		As soon as you start listening to people, then it becomes an incentive not to talk.
		Or you get punished for saying the wrong things.
		And then next thing you know, we're living in fucking China.
		It's a slippery slope.
		It's real.
		And the government is supposed to work for the people.
		We're not supposed to work for them.
		They're not supposed to be our dominators.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, I just did a thing on this this week with the government.
		Because in 1972, we had the Munich attack.
		The Arabs and the Israelis.
		And so they killed a bunch of people.
		And they had no security at the Olympics.
		But then they opened the door for security.
		And we continued the Olympics, though.
		I was already done.
		But we continued the Olympics and it finished them off.
		But then in 1980, we boycotted to go into Russia.
		The 1980 Olympics were in Moscow, and the 1980 US team did not go to the Olympics.
		None of us.
		Because we wanted them to get the hell out of Afghanistan.
		So the government used us sporting people as pawns a little bit.
		So then in 1984, we hosted the Olympics.
		I was the coach.
		I was the coach in 82, but I didn't get to go.
		And I had a hell of a team that we were going to go over there and rush and win.
		But in 1984, they didn't come, and 12 other countries didn't come, mostly all communists.
		And so, you know what?
		What good did that do?
		This week, I just did an editorial.
		I did a column and told them it really didn't do any good because we're thinking about boycotting China.
		Now, everybody's got their opinion, but I think it showed from 1884 what good did it do?
		I think we can do good.
		And the only sentence that I said was That really said that I wasn't just sports crazy, was I said, if safety is of concern, then we don't go.
		But I mean, I said real safety.
		That's the word I used.
		Real safety.
		Not just presumed.
		Because we've already shown it before.
		It was more of a pawn that you could use it as a tool.
		You know, try to get your way in the government.
		And so I said that.
		Well...
		It came out about a week ago, and it made some pretty good news, but they took that sentence out about safety.
		Can you believe it?
		Why'd they do that?
		That was the most important sentence I had.
		I kind of hid it in there, and I figured it wouldn't be a big deal, but they took that sentence out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a social media account?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		My daughters do it for me.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I don't pay attention to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the beautiful thing about social media is that you could put something like that on Instagram and they couldn't take it down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They wouldn't have any say in it.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll probably have to do that because I haven't had the reaction yet.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I haven't had the reaction yet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you'll have to do that.
		You can't trust those people.
		You have to be able to express yourself 100% unfiltered.
		They can disagree with you or agree with you, that's fine.
		But they can't change your words.
		If they change your words, we've got a real problem.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever see the documentary Icarus?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a really interesting documentary by this guy named Brian Fogle and it's all about...
		What happened was it was a very fortunate documentary in that he was making a documentary about one thing and it became about a different thing.
		He was making a documentary about a bike race.
		He was doing a bicycle race.
		And he was going to do it clean one year, and then he was going to get doped up on performance-enhancing drugs and do it the second year and see what the difference is.
		And he hired Gregory Rychenkov, who was the head of Russian anti-doping at the time.
		And he was explaining to him what he was going to have to take and how to take it, this and that.
		Along the way, while they were doing this.
		So he filmed the first race, and then in the year leading up to the second race, the Sochi Olympic scandal happened.
		And Gregory Uchenkov was, he was a part of that.
		Where he explained he had to leave the country.
		He escaped and came to America because he was being implicated in this whole scandal where they were taking the urine from the athletes.
		They were opening up the supposedly...
		There was some container that couldn't be opened, but the Russians had figured out how to open it.
		They would take out the dirty urine and replace it with clean urine.
		So they doped up their entire team.
		And Gregory was explaining how they doped up the entire team.
		Everyone except the figure skaters.
		They found that the figure skaters, when they doped up the fine motor skills, there was no benefit and the females became too manly.
		But it's a fascinating documentary where it shows you the lengths that some countries will go to cheat.
		It's crazy.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, it's unbelievable.
		And I think it goes back to that government control a lot too, I think.
		For sure.
		Because they're a tool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The athletes are a tool.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They felt that sport shows your power.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And that's the power of the country.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Just how dominant you are.
		It's crazy.
		So, in fact, I... There was a movie that I was just in by chance about a little over a year ago.
		It's called The Last Champion and it's by Glenn Withrow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it a film or a documentary?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a film.
		It's an actual film and it just got kind of...
		It's been on Google.
		It's been around, but it's got a little bit of a...
		It's about a guy that was a champion wrestler.
		And they brought me in at the end just because somebody looked at the wrestling and said it wasn't very good.
		And so they just said, can you come in and look and see what we can do to help the wrestling part of it?
		So I flew out to...
unidentified		I don't remember where I flew out to, but I think it was Vegas.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, Dallas, actually.
		Actually, I flew into Dallas, and they shot it there at a high school or an auditorium.
		And I watched the wrestling, and yeah, it needed cleaned up.
		So we cleaned up the wrestling.
		But then the guy, when I was there, he said, why don't we make this guy, because he's...
		He got kicked out of the Olympics after he won them because of steroids in America.
		Why don't we make him one of your kids?
		And you're doing the announcing, and you guys will meet again.
		So it's a redemption story, and it's really good, actually.
		And a lot of people have really liked it.
		And he's in negotiation now to have overseas rights and all this kind of stuff.
		Glenn Withrow is, I think, has I got the last champion up there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the name of the movie.
		But it's about exactly that, and how a guy comes home, a small little town in the United States, and I'm not sure if it's on the Pacific Coast, somewhere like maybe Washington, I think it was, where he came home, and the town hadn't seen him for years because his mom died, so he'd come back to sell her house.
		And when he comes back to sell her house, Believe it or not, the wrestling coach dies, and they want him to stay and to be the coach.
		So he actually stays and be the coach, and it gets into conflicts, and all of a sudden, he comes through with this conflict and makes it right.
		But it's really a good movie, and it's about exactly that.
		Because in our sport...
		Or any sport.
		And there's this book out, and I couldn't believe it.
		I don't know what the name of the book was, but it said overseas in these places, because it takes you out of poverty, it takes you out of being nothing to somebody.
		They say that, like, give me whatever.
		And the statistics were, like, unbelievable that how many people would say they would take a pill that would win them the right to win a gold medal in the Olympics.
		But yet, a year, within a year after you won those gold medals, you died.
		And they had a statistical thing on it, and it was like, most people still take the damn pill!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But I think it's where you actually took the poll at.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It was, again, it was this poll in this area of the world that probably needs help.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Deeply impoverished.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is a thing about the Olympics in other countries, is that it's a way out of poverty for some people.
		Whereas in our world, in our country, it's almost in some ways a way into poverty.
		These athletes, they're dedicating their whole life in many ways.
		You've got your guys like Michael Phelps who go on and wins gold medals and has all these endorsements and becomes wealthy because of that.
		But how many athletes don't?
		I mean, they dedicate this enormous amount of time to a sport.
		It doesn't pay off for them financially at all, but yet the Olympics reaps incredible rewards for it.
		They make billions of dollars every time the Olympics rolls around.
		The networks, these different countries, the windfall is incredible, but not for the athletes.
		It's a weird scam in a lot of ways, because it's an amateur sport, and it is an amateur sport, but only for the people that are the most important.
		For the athletes.
		It's not amateur for the networks.
		It's professional.
		There's a lot of money involved.
		A lot of money.
		And that money does not get distributed to the athletes.
		For the most part.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, it didn't go to me at all.
		Like I said, my dad had to pay 500 bucks for me to wrestle in the Olympics.
		But you know, I'm the kind of guy, again, a little bit different between me and you.
		You're pretty hardcore on this stuff.
		But for me, it's like...
		I look over time how I can do well.
		And so, you know, it's like I've been hired with ASICS for how many years?
		I said 1978, so 22 and 21, 43 years.
		And I've been having shoes with them for 35 years and still selling shoes.
		I just signed another four-year contract with them.
		And I'm hoping to go another four years after that.
		And so...
		But at the beginning, I didn't get anything.
		And I signed my coaching job.
		It was $13,000 a year.
		What's funny about that is That wasn't going to make it for me because I got married.
		I don't handle any money.
		I don't like to get caught in that mental.
		That drives me crazy.
		I've got enough issues.
		So my wife's saying, well, I don't know if we can pay these bills on this new house that we're living in.
		And so I remember my dad, when I went to the YMCA, I remember I got a job down there.
		And my dad said, I'm going to start you some kind of a plan when you get your first job.
		And I was 10 years old.
		And so I went to my dad when I was 29. I said, Dad, we're hurting for money a little bit, but didn't you tell me that you started me some kind of a plan in my life when I was young?
		He goes, yeah, I did.
		I go, is there any money in that plan, Dad?
		I'm 29. Actually, I'm 28. 27 or 28. First year head coach.
		Bought a new house.
		I'm married.
		Probably got maybe one kid.
		And I said, He said, I'll call you back.
		So he calls me back in about 15 minutes.
		He said, yeah, I just pulled out the latest, what they send me.
		He said, I should have this sent to you anyway.
		No, I'm because, you know, I just never turn.
		It's in your name and I just get it to me.
		Because when you made it up, you were 10 years old.
		All they did was start taking money out of your payment checks on the YMCA. Then you went to work for me.
		And then you went to work for Martinson Construction.
		Then you went to work for Wheeler Lumber Company.
		And all those years, then you went to work for the University of Iowa.
		Or Iowa State as a graduate assistant, then you went to work for the University of Iowa.
		And so I said, well, is there any money in it?
		And so it's been, it was about 19 years of accumulating what they could take out of that to put in a retirement plan.
		And this is 1977. That's a long time ago.
		And so the figure he gave me was a lot of money to me.
		It was $250,000.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I just looked at my...
		I said, thanks, Dad.
		That's all I need to know.
		I'm good.
		Don't even worry about it.
		I just needed that...
		I could get by with what was going to happen, but I knew I had this money.
		But again, my dad, he helped me.
		And that's what is so important and so valuable for me is that...
		I had so many good things that happened to me.
		Even though you can't say a murder is a good thing, but you turn them into somehow.
		Not good things, but for betterment.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You turn that guilt and that anger.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Into something amazing.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it's just like, it's just like right now, you know, it's, over all these years, I've been working for ASICs for, you know, I got a beer, we're drinking beer called Gable.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's, I got a nutrition gold that's...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you're Dan Gable.
		This is the, there's so many other athletes.
		I understand.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get the money from the, you know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But I had to go out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got the endorsements.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But after 35 years of winning, you can do some of these things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you can.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You got the shoes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What drives me crazy is that the networks are making so much money.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, I agree totally.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It drives me nuts because I think it's a wild scam that the athletes aren't compensated and insane amounts of money are being generated by them competing.
		Right.
		And I get there's a purity.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It's heading more that way.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Because of people like you, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm honest.
		Because you're talking one way, and a lot of people are listening.
		And a lot of people hear.
		And some people aren't educated on this stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's just not fair.
		That's the problem.
		It's not just that the athletes don't deserve the endorsements.
		They do deserve the endorsements and more.
		They deserve the endorsements if they win.
		They deserve the endorsements if they become someone like Dan Gable.
		But the problem is the networks are making all the fucking money while these people are giving their life to compete.
		And the networks are treating it like a professional sport where they don't have to pay the athletes.
		That's what it is.
		It's not just a regular professional sport either.
		It's the biggest professional sport because it's international.
		It's a gigantic world event every two years Every two years, where they have the Olympic Games, it's a gigantic world event, and the people that make the most money, the people that broadcast it on television, not the actual athletes.
		You're not broadcasting, you're not producing anything.
		The athletes are producing the entertainment.
		The entire...
		The reason why people are tuning in is to see exceptional athletes perform.
		They know they've dedicated their life to this.
		They know that there's years and years and years of toil and sweat and grind.
		And here they are, and you're going to put a camera on it.
		And because you put a camera on it, you're making all the money?
		Fuck you.
		That's crazy.
		That's crazy to me.
		That's crazy to me, and it's disgusting.
		It doesn't make any sense.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		So you obviously have answers for that, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they should distribute some of the money to the athletes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		To the athletes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But they...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The same way they do with the NBA. The same way they do with the NFL. There should be money distributed to those athletes.
		And I guarantee you we'll have better athletes.
		Because you know in other countries they compensate their athletes.
		You know, they compensate their athletes in Russia.
		They compensate their athletes in China.
		Not as well as they should, but they do.
		In a lot of these countries, when you're talking about high-level athletes, they pay them to train, and they take care of all their expenses, and they make sure that they're properly prepared because they're representing their country.
		In our country, they rely on great corporations like ASICS or whatever the corporation is that can compensate these athletes after they're done competing.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And I think we both are actually on the same page.
		I think the difference is, for me, it's like I've kind of had these opportunities Over time, it's not like great opportunities, but I just take this one, and I take this one, and I take this one.
		And instead of really getting compensated up front by what you're talking about, I'm able to, because I've stayed...
		In front of the public.
		And it's hard to do that sometimes.
		I mean, it's hard to go from an Olympic athlete to automatically being a great coach or being a...
		You go to work in some other business.
		I mean, you just don't see where it shines.
		But I've been able to do that.
		And so it's a little easier.
		In fact, right now...
		A feature film.
		I just got a contract.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All these things are great, Dan.
		The problem is money is being generated.
		And it's not being distributed to the athletes.
		And the only reason it's being generated at all is because of the athletes and their performances.
		But they don't get any of it.
		That, to me, is criminal.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They're working on it, I think, a little bit in the NCAA too, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They should in the NCAA. That's a lot.
		The amount of money those teams, those colleges earn, those universities earn because of the fact their sports teams are successful, their programs are successful.
		It's just crazy to me.
		It's just one of those legacy institutions that's been around for so long that we just accepted the fact the athletes get ripped off.
		That's what it is.
		There's no Olympics without the athletes.
		If they all said, you know what?
		I want money.
		How much do you guys make?
		You're making billions of dollars?
		And we get, how much?
		We get zero?
		Get the fuck out of here.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You know, I love your saying that.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Even though I don't say it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'm saying it so loud.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So what I want to say to the athletes is, let's make our own breaks.
		Don't depend on luck.
		Let's work extra hard.
		Let's do this.
		Because you've got to do both.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It's got to do both, and otherwise you won't be.
		And they've already done both a lot.
		But it doesn't stop.
		Even though you get an Olympic gold medal, I mean, you're pretty young usually.
		I mean, an athlete's not going to win an Olympic gold medal unless you got a different kind of the ancient Olympics or something, you know, the old timers.
		And then that's not the valuable one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's like the oldest athlete that ever won the Olympics.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think we've had some in the 40s that wrestled, but barely.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow!
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And won?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I think 41 or 2 or something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's incredible.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		The average age when I was there was 27, you know, back in 72, so I don't know exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So...
		But, no.
		No, that's good that...
		So that's why it's like me here.
		I'm selling ASIC shoes.
		I got a Gable beer.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad that you're doing all these things and you deserve that and more.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I know, but what I'm saying is...
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I have to do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I got to keep doing it.
unidentified		Right.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		It just so happens I don't mind working.
		I like it.
		And it helps our sport.
		You know, maybe not the beer drinking, but the celebrate, maybe.
		But, you know, it's just like the videos, the cassettes.
		You know, they sell at Human Kinetic Publishers.
		You know, they sell at Championship Video.
		You know, all these places.
		And this guy...
		Making a movie right now.
		They sent me a contract and I looked at the contract and I'm going to tell you, it's a little scary.
		It's not much there for me.
		Maybe?
		I don't know yet.
		I don't really know how to read a 30-page contract yet.
		So, you know, maybe you're enhancing me a little bit here.
		Maybe get my price up a little bit better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
		I can only hope so.
		We just did three hours, Dan Gable.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		We've done three hours already?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're just starting.
		No, I'm just kidding.
		I'm just kidding.
		These guys over here, they don't want to work overtime.
		You know, it's like I said, I'm the first to arrive, last to leave.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's how you've become who you are.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And the hardest working guy there.
		But that doesn't mean everybody is.
		That doesn't mean everybody is.
		And I already told you that I'm probably the only coach in the country to let a guy come half a practice.
		But the team made it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think you understood the unique psychology of that one individual.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		You need to know your subjects.
		You need to know your subject.
		That's wrestling.
		And then you need to know your subjects, and that's your wrestlers.
		Obviously, you do a good job and a great job with your experience here.
		I don't know if you call it a podcast or not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what we call it.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But you do a lot of work, and you've worked your way here.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		I'm amazed that all these people are listening, or will listen to this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm amazed, too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's confusing.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it's confusing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It is to me.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because I just live my life like no one's listening.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know they are, so I do my best, but I just sort of show up and just keep living like a normal person.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		But you're good at it, you know?
		I mean, you don't...
		You didn't have notes?
		I had notes.
		I had notes.
		I don't see a note over there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't have any notes, but I've been thinking about you for a long time, my friend.
		I really have.
		I've been looking forward to this day, and it meant a lot to me that you came here.
		And I appreciate you as a human being, and I appreciate you as an athlete, and as a representative of what I believe is one of the greatest sports ever.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's one of the hardest, definitely.
		I mean, if you can go through one of my practices, you're going to be a pretty good person.
		I mean, it's pretty tough.
		It's pretty tough.
		But I mean, it goes back to, I mean, it's like my high school coach, you know, it's like he had a drink for us.
		It was called Burley Juice, because his name was Bob Siddons, but we called him Burley Bob, not to his face, but Coach Siddons.
		But he had Gatorade.
		Gatorade just came out back in those years, and it was a powder form then.
		But it wasn't that good yet, and so we didn't really like drinking it.
		But he...
		Mountain Dew just came out in 1964. The kind of Mountain Dew that's kind of there today.
		And he mixed it.
		He'd make his Gatorade and then he'd put a can of Mountain Dew in there and wow, did it taste good.
		Of course, he didn't know we were slipping a couple other cans of Mountain Dew in it when he wasn't looking.
		So it was a little bit more Mountain Dew.
		But, you know, it's just one of these things that you learn over the years.
		And, you know, I've been strict as hell at times.
		By that I mean...
		I wouldn't drink a pop.
		I wouldn't drink a soda.
		I would only eat perfect.
		At the beginning of my career.
		But as I got older and as I got better at what I did, I started...
		I can drink at Mountain Dew.
		I can...
		Even the time I got to the...
		Before the Olympic Games, I might drink a beer after a hard workout.
		I might drink a beer.
		That type of stuff.
		And I might drink a nutrition drink before.
		I did.
		I used to drink Nutramund, it was called.
		But now it's Gable Gold.
		But...
		But it's like you adjust, but your mind is going to tell you what you can do and how good you are.
		And the mind also tells you when to hell to get out.
		Or your mom tells you when to hell to get out.
		But she's looking at my mind.
		And I would not be here if I hadn't stepped down in 1997. I was on the road for...
		I'd be dead.
		I figured I'd make four more years.
		24 years now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just too much of the road.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Just too much nervousness.
		Just nervous all the time.
		You're just too hyper.
		You've got to settle down at a certain point if you want to live well.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you cared so much, because it was so important to you.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		About living?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Competing.
		The competing was so important to you.
		That's where the nervousness was coming from.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it was a success.
		You know, just getting used to it.
		And if you didn't have success, people were like...
		I can remember when I lost the 10th championship in a row.
		The article in the paper.
		They were taking people's comments.
		And it said...
		Actually, this was after I lost to Owings back in 1970, Nationals, after 181 wins.
		The Des Moines Register had little comments, and one guy said in there, you just ain't got it anymore.
		You'll never do anything in wrestling.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's what he was hoping.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A person like that, they're projecting.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		They're hoping you fall apart.
unidentified		Guess what?
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		And it had the guy's name on there.
		And guess what?
		The guy got a get well card.
		I'm sorry to hear you're sick from my mom in the mail that week.
		That's how I've lived my life.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dan Gable, thank you very much for being here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you, brother.
unidentified		Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It was a pleasure and an honor.
dan gable ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.

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