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Joe Rogan Experience #1563 - Tony Hinchcliffe
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Hello Tony.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Salute my friend.
unidentified
Good to see you on the right side of America.
tony hinchcliffe
Feels good out here.
joe rogan
Feels good, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Whole different feel.
joe rogan
Feels normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People aren't terrified.
tony hinchcliffe
Correct.
joe rogan
They got everybody scared as fuck in California.
tony hinchcliffe
It's horrible, man.
Everything's shut down.
Everything feels bad.
It's sad.
joe rogan
It is sad.
tony hinchcliffe
The more businesses are completely closed, the sadder it is.
It's seeing stuff that you know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
In the memories that you have there.
joe rogan
It's also, I think it's harder to bounce back in big places.
I think it's harder for big places to bounce back.
Because you get, like, all these stores closed down.
Like, all the stores that got hit hard with the looting on Melrose, like, they're still closed, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Most of them.
joe rogan
Have any of them come back?
tony hinchcliffe
Most of them.
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you drive down, the last time I was there, it's like boarded up, boarded up, boarded up, four lease, four lease, four lease.
I'm like, this takes a long time to come back.
tony hinchcliffe
It feels that way for sure.
Some places are open, but it's not the same vibe.
joe rogan
Yeah, out here they're not interested in shutting things down the same way, especially the governor.
He's like, we've got to keep businesses open.
And he's right.
Like, you can do it safely.
I mean, I think you could do it safely here better than California because there's lower numbers.
There's less people.
It's not just, you know, everyone's on its smooshed in together.
And everyone's more relaxed because of that.
It makes you realize, when you come to a place that has less humans, it makes you realize, like, oh, that's better.
Like, there's plenty of people out here.
It's not like we're in the farms.
In the country, in the middle of nowhere, in the mountains.
It's not like that.
It's a city.
But it's a less populated city.
And everything's just a little more...
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, relaxed.
LA is a giant county.
People think it's a city, and it's just a massive, huge place.
joe rogan
And it smushes in with Orange County, which is even more populated, right?
No, LA is probably more populated than Orange County.
Orange County is so dense, though.
The traffic in Orange County on the 405 is mind-blowing.
It's mind-blowing.
When you're driving down to San Diego, and you're just like...
Where are all these people coming from?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's so many of them.
tony hinchcliffe
And north, too.
I went up to Pebble Beach a couple weeks ago.
Traffic's just crazy.
I mean, six lanes.
joe rogan
You're all in with the golfing.
Look at you.
tony hinchcliffe
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
You took a trip to Pebble Beach.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm telling you, dude, it's the greatest thing.
Out of nowhere.
I went to go smoke pot with my buddy Pete one day, and then, you know, he's like, yeah, I'm golfing.
I'm like, great, I'll smoke pot with you there.
I figured I would just drive the cart and have fun.
The rest is history.
Addicted.
I caught myself the other day watching a thing on the TV, like golf lessons or whatever, and at the same time I was on my iPad on YouTube not realizing I was doing two at once, learning how to chip.
It's so much fun.
joe rogan
It's very dangerous.
It's why I never played.
tony hinchcliffe
Why is it dangerous?
joe rogan
Because it's a suck of time.
It sucks time.
Not that it's bad.
People enjoy it.
And as far as activities that suck time, I mean, at least you're walking around, you're out in nature, you got all that beautiful green grass, you know?
There's positives to it.
tony hinchcliffe
It's definitely an interesting thing to suck time because it gives me energy and when I'm away from it, I can think more clearly about everything else.
It's very meditative.
You're always thinking about your next shot or your last shot, what you did wrong, what you could have done better for the next one.
So it's like when I'm out there, I'm not looking at my phone for four or five hours, which is great.
I'm not thinking about anything else so that when I do afterwards, And you know, normally most days, if I don't do that, I sort of like crash out around evening time.
But if it's a golf day, even if I'm up at 6, 5, 7am, I have energy all day, all night after that.
Those are the best days now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's probably like archery's like that.
It's meditative.
It helps clear your mind.
Because it's so difficult, right?
You're concentrating so hard on each individual putt and shot.
Did I say it right?
tony hinchcliffe
Putt?
joe rogan
What do you call them?
Shots?
Drives?
tony hinchcliffe
It depends on what you're shooting.
The drive is from the tee.
joe rogan
Talk to me about your knowledge.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the drive is from the tee.
That's the first shot.
That's power.
Hopefully some accuracy.
You're aiming for the middle.
joe rogan
Is that the hardest to get good at?
tony hinchcliffe
No, putting's the hardest.
unidentified
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what about miniature golf?
tony hinchcliffe
It's all touch.
Putting's the most, like, archery.
Miniature golf isn't really the same.
unidentified
It's not.
tony hinchcliffe
No, on the golf course, there's no windmill to knock it back at you.
joe rogan
Gotta get it up that ramp.
That ramp's narrow.
tony hinchcliffe
The ramp?
joe rogan
Yeah, the ramp to get to the windmill.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, you gotta get it in the clown's mouth, just like at Pebble Beach.
I'm like, excuse me, where are your clowns?
joe rogan
There's no other sport that's worth millions of dollars, if you're the best, that also has a miniature version that little kids play.
Right?
Like a fucked up version with all like bumpers everywhere and weird holes.
tony hinchcliffe
It's fun though.
joe rogan
It's on concrete with fucking fake grass over it, right?
Yeah.
I guess there's bumper pool, but pool's not nearly as popular as golf in terms of money, you know?
Golfers make legit cash.
tony hinchcliffe
This is Bryson DeChambeau.
joe rogan
You know who that is?
Powerful drive.
423-yard drive.
That is insanity.
That's so far.
jamie vernon
And he did this on purpose.
There was an interview recently about him because he's been getting popularity.
He decided to get jacked.
tony hinchcliffe
He hits it 40, 50 yards farther than Tiger Woods ever did.
jamie vernon
Jesus.
joe rogan
So he's just decided to get really big.
He looks like a football player.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's that one dude that does the thing at the driving ranges where he steps his leg up in the air like he's throwing a pitch and then he steps forward?
Crazy torque.
He's got this crazy move he does where he lifts his leg up and then he steps into it.
And wax it.
Yeah, there's videos of him on YouTube.
We've actually talked about him before.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't think he's hitting it that far, though.
I don't think anybody's hitting it 423. Maybe some weird pro driver guy, but yeah, this guy's a freak.
joe rogan
Well, also, this guy's accurate.
I mean, he's hitting it exactly in the middle.
Look where it lands.
tony hinchcliffe
And he just won the Masters, I do believe.
jamie vernon
No, that's what's going on right now.
He won the U.S. Open.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the US Open.
And what's crazy about him, so what's crazy about the sport of golf is that that's your first shot, and then after that, touch.
As you get closer to the hole, touch becomes so much more important.
So this guy can do that, and he can also make a 10-foot putt that has a hill from right to left, and then bends from left to right, like...
joe rogan
There's a comparison, I guess, to pool, the break shot.
Some guys have crazy break shots with a lot of power.
And then afterwards, it's a touch and finesse game.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And some guys might get in their head on the eight ball, which is every hole, every putt.
It's the most frustrating, yet rewarding part.
joe rogan
Also, you guys, you're not playing on flat surface.
You've got little hills you have to look at.
You've got to get low and try to figure out where you hit it on the hill to make it drop into the hole.
tony hinchcliffe
And in the morning, because the ground's moist, Especially in California, they water everything and then you're just in a desert.
So if you start at, say, 7 or 8 a.m., it's pretty straight.
And also, it's slower.
joe rogan
Because it's wet.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And by 10, 11, 12, once the heat kicks up, things are moving much faster.
So you have to adjust throughout the day from slow to fast and all these things.
So every hole literally changes as it goes on.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the same with pool with moisture.
If you're playing in a place that has a lot of moisture, like some of the best players on Earth come from the Philippines.
And what happened is, soldiers, I believe in the Second World War, brought over to the Philippines pool.
They taught them pool.
And they play a lot of pool outside.
So they have these outside areas, like chickens running around and shit, and they're playing pool, like a lot of open air pool tables.
And obviously it's an island, so it's near the ocean.
There's probably a lot of humidity in the air.
And the tables, they also have this weird thing they do where they pour powder on the rails.
So they have baby powder because everything gets so slick because it's wet and sweaty and sticky and moist.
So they put baby powder near the pockets and they all touch the baby powder on their fingers and then the cue runs smoothly through your hand.
But then you're always touching the table.
So you're putting baby powder all over the table.
So the table gets really dirty.
So they're playing on these dirty, slow, wet tables.
And so they develop these real fluid strokes because they're so used to having to power the ball around these disgusting tables.
Not disgusting, but...
You would be upset if you played on a table like that in America.
You'd say, why don't you guys clean the table?
But over there, they don't give a fuck.
Also, they don't give a fuck if there's a bunch of people around the table.
So they have these games.
And I watch these games.
Like, if you looked at my YouTube feed, you'd fucking laugh.
Because, like, the suggested videos, the vast majority of them are Filipino pool.
I watch Efren Reyes.
If you look at Jeff Galing production, Jeff Galing is a guy who films simple stuff.
They film it with a tripod and a cell phone, and then they just film these pool matches.
And people get obsessed with watching Efren Reyes play these young guns in the Philippines.
Efren Reyes is probably the greatest pool player of all time.
Pretty widely regarded.
He's like the Hicks and Gracie of pool.
tony hinchcliffe
He looks like Manny Pacquiao, right?
joe rogan
Manny Pacquiao is a killer, by the way.
Manny Pacquiao is a killer pool player.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Like, world class.
Like, Manny Pacquiao could play professional.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, he gambles with professionals.
tony hinchcliffe
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
My friend Max Eberle, who's...
You've met Max.
I think so.
I know you have.
He's a legit pro.
Like, Max is like world champion caliber pro and he's gambled with Manny Pacquiao.
And he said Manny Pacquiao's good.
He says you have to really bear down to beat him.
Like, they play a race to 10. He might beat Manny because Max is world class.
But he might beat Manny like 10 to 7 or 10 to 6. Whereas he beat me like 10 to 1 or 10 to 2. Like, Manny's much better than me.
He's really good.
tony hinchcliffe
Manny's better than you at pool?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
He's legit.
There's Manny right there.
Yeah, dude, look at that.
Look at him kick that ball in, son.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
And get positioned on the six.
He's super legit.
Super legit.
And he's got a great stroke.
And he's also left-handed.
I think there's a thing about left-handed people, and I say this as a right-handed person, I think generally they're better at shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
I agree.
One of my best golf buddies who helps me get a lot better because he's great.
joe rogan
Look how good he is.
Dude, seriously.
Look how fucking good he is.
He bumped the 8. I don't know if he got positioned on the 5 there.
He might have fucked that up.
But he plays really good.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like I said, if I saw him in a tournament and I didn't know it was Manny Pacquiao, I'd be like, oh, this guy's really good.
He's a pro.
He's essentially a pro.
But that's also because he's in the Philippines.
Look how good he gets!
Perfect position on the seven!
Watch this.
Seven to the eight, eight to the ten, and he's out.
Ten ball.
Watch this.
Pop!
If you watch how he strokes the ball, everything's super precise.
Look at his position.
He's a professional.
Like a legit professional.
So if Manny decides to retire from fighting and goes into professional pool, he might win some world championships.
Like, no bullshit.
I mean, he's still fighting actively.
They're actually talking about him fighting Conor McGregor right now, which is kind of bonkers.
Look at that.
Gets out.
Beautiful position.
tony hinchcliffe
Why do you say it's kind of bonkers?
Because you think Manny would dominate Conor?
joe rogan
Is that a question?
You're talking about one of the greatest boxers of all time against a guy with one professional boxing match.
tony hinchcliffe
I agree, and I'm a huge Manny Pacquiao fan.
joe rogan
Butt?
tony hinchcliffe
Is there a butt coming?
There is a butt coming.
joe rogan
I can't believe it.
tony hinchcliffe
The other week, I re-watched McGregor Mayweather since it's been done.
It was on my Showtime app, and I wanted to watch some boxing.
It popped up, and I clicked on it.
And I did not remember.
I remembered Connor shocking me with how good he did.
But I did not remember it being as close as it truly was.
joe rogan
Let me explain something.
The reason why it was close is because Mayweather let him blow his wad.
He just let him...
Look, he clipped Mayweather with a legit left uppercut early in the fight.
And I was kind of stunned.
I was like, wow, that's really legit.
Watch this.
Here we go.
See, what Connor, look at that.
If you see it, watch this left uppercut.
jamie vernon
I don't think they replay it.
It's really quick.
joe rogan
Oh, so let's rewind a little bit just so I can see it because it's really, really good.
tony hinchcliffe
Look at that.
joe rogan
Left uppercut.
Here's the thing.
Mayweather had to figure out Conor's timing.
Because what Conor is, Conor is not a professional boxer, okay?
So because he's not a professional boxer, he's not as efficient and he's going to get tired easier.
Mayweather is one of the greatest, if not the greatest boxer of all time.
I say there's a real good argument he's the greatest of all time.
Because he's undefeated 50 you know and really only been hurt by sugar Shane Mosley and my Donna two guys in a Spectacular career 50 and oh and just gets hit less than anybody And he's super smart about how he sets up fights he sets up one of these he does is talks a mess of shit and gets everybody wanting to root for him to lose and He'll show you all his Rolls Royces.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He'll show you all his money.
He'll show you all his watches.
And everybody's like, he's gonna go broke.
He's gonna go broke.
But he never does.
He keeps making money.
He keeps making money.
So...
Because if you look at his style, he's got a brilliant style.
His style is take the minimal amount of damage, find your openings, and then establish your game, and then dominate.
And that's what he's done to everybody.
That's what he did to Manny Pacquiao in their fight.
Manny Pacquiao apparently had a fucked up shoulder, but that's what he did to Ricky Hatton.
Dominated Ricky Hatton at the time was...
You know, one of the best in the world and a guy that a lot of people were interested in seeing how he would do against Mayweather.
And then the second fight with Maidana, you get to see the brilliance of Mayweather because you knew he got clipped in the first fight.
So he digested all of Maidana's movements and what he did wrong in the first fight and he came out in the second fight and just put on a clinic.
He's the best of all time.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Conor...
He's a freak.
He's an explosive guy.
He's so fast.
And there's no remedy for that.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Other than getting a guy tired.
So what Mayweather was doing was boxing with him, but preserving.
Being safe.
Got clipped a couple times.
Realized that Conor can punch.
Conor can punch.
But just drag him into deep water.
Drag him into deep water.
And that's what a guy like Mayweather would do.
He's the most intelligent.
In terms of his overall strategy to preserve his health, yet to always win.
I mean, he's the most intelligent.
He's so good.
You know, all the greats have suffered losses and setbacks, except him.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Except him.
tony hinchcliffe
We don't even know what it's like.
We don't even know how he would recover.
joe rogan
We know he's had tough fights.
He's had a couple of tough fights.
Dude, he's so goddamn good.
He's so protected.
He knows where to be and where not to be.
He's so composed.
Look at that.
Look at that movement.
Look how he moves away from everything.
So you're punching at air, and you're still threatening, but you're not really hitting him, and he's making you throw punches.
And occasionally you clip him with a shot as he's moving away and he rolls with a lot of shit.
You gotta be a guy like Sugar Shane Mosley clipped him.
Really clipped him.
Like really hurt him.
And he just grabbed a hold of him and held on to him and eventually started kicking Sugar Shane's ass.
Just took time.
If you're a young boxer and you want to know what it's like to be a 41-year-old and still be at the top of your game, you've got to be like him.
Or like Bernard Hopkins.
When Bernard Hopkins was at the top of his game, he was older.
He was in his 40s.
I think he was 36 when he beat Felix Trinidad.
And a lot of people were like, Bernard's done.
It's over.
Felix Trinidad.
Tito Trinidad is the future.
And he lit Felix Trinidad on fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then the same thing with Kelly Pavlik.
He lit Kelly Pavlik on fire.
tony hinchcliffe
I was just going to say, I was not expecting that.
We were expecting that to be Kelly Pavlik's big return, and he got smashed.
joe rogan
Bernard Hopkins is a national treasure.
Look at that.
Conor pops him with that jab, and that was uncomfortable, but...
Look how calm he is.
Stop.
Back that up.
Back that up a second.
Look how goddamn calm he is.
Watch his jab come to Floyd's face.
He doesn't even blink.
It touches him in the nose, but he knows it's not going to hurt him.
Look at this.
unidentified
Watch this.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Look at this.
He doesn't even move!
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
He doesn't even move.
He's a master of distance.
tony hinchcliffe
He really is.
joe rogan
A master of distance.
Bernard was a master of distance, too, and Bernard was a different kind of style, different kind of defensive style.
Bernard, like, would frustrate guys a lot.
He would clench with them, tie you up, make it very physical.
And guys get real frustrated, and they didn't know what to do, and they just wanted to fucking start winging punches, and then he'd get right in your face again and clench a hold of you, but then break with you and catch you with the left hook, break, catch you with the right hand.
Always defensive, always protected, always disciplined, you know?
tony hinchcliffe
Frustrating your opponent in boxing is one of the interesting things, right?
Like Holyfield Tyson, it's crazy.
Everybody remembers the ear bite, but not a lot of people talk about the massive amount of clenching and headbutts that Holyfield was landing on him in that fight.
It's very clear when you watch it again.
joe rogan
Well, the headbutts are interesting.
It's like the question is, did he do it on purpose?
And that's what Tyson was saying, that he's doing this on purpose.
He's trying to cut me, and he's cutting my face, and that's when Tyson bit his ear.
And Tyson's idea, at the time at least, was that he was doing it on purpose.
But it's also his style.
His style is to put his head on your chest.
Put his forehead on your chest and just make it a test of wills.
Very few human beings have the kind of will that Evander Holyfield has.
You ever watch the Riddick Bowe fights?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are crazy to watch because Riddick Bowe was way bigger than Holyfield.
You've got to remember, Holyfield is a cruiserweight champion.
So Holyfield...
I wanna say he fought light heavyweight in the Olympics.
I might be wrong about that.
I wanna say he fought at like 176 in the Olympics.
Find out what he fought at.
tony hinchcliffe
I used to have a subscription when I was a kid to The Ring Magazine.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
The Bible of Boxing, son.
They have a lineal heavyweight belt.
They give out their own belt.
The Ring belt is as prestigious as any other belt.
unidentified
WBC, WBO, WBA. It has the red, white, and blue side straps.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's got like crazy ruffles to it and like old school.
Looks like something Jack Johnson would have wore.
tony hinchcliffe
So cool.
joe rogan
Oh, it's the coolest.
tony hinchcliffe
It's weird how like cool trophies and stuff sometimes get weird.
Like I was thinking about that the other day about the green jacket.
The masters, they give you a weird, basically the ugliest jacket.
joe rogan
It's like, you're such a badass, you can wear a disgusting jacket.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And you see those guys when they're all together, and it's like, hey!
They're so happy to be wearing these ugly jackets together.
joe rogan
Fucking diamonds and Rolexes wearing a gross jacket.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It says his first professional fight was at Light Heavy, but right before that, he was listed around age 21 at 178, which is around the time he was in the Olympics.
joe rogan
So he probably fought at light heavyweight.
So if his first professional fight was light heavyweight, and then he went on to be the cruiserweight champion, he beat Dwight Mohamed Kawi, who used to be Dwight Braxton.
Dwight Braxton was 5'7", 200 pounds.
He was a tank.
And he would come at you like real low.
He would get in a crouch and guys would be like, what the fuck?
He'd be like, way down here.
And he was just fucking jacked.
And he was another guy out of prison, so just tough as shit.
Like Bernard Hopkins.
Bernard Hopkins learned a lot of his discipline by being locked up.
He's like, I never want this to happen to me again.
There's a famous story about Bernard leaving prison and one of the guards saying, you'll be back.
And he was like...
Not me, bitch.
I'm Bernard Hopkins, motherfucker.
I'm going to be a world champion and I'm going to get this chapter out of my life.
And went on to be one of the most disciplined boxers ever.
That's why he was able to compete deep into his 40s.
He lost to Joe Smith.
I think he was 51 when he lost his final fight.
And Joe Smith Jr. is just fucking savage.
Like one of those barbarian construction workers who still has a full-time job but still fights at a world-class level.
tony hinchcliffe
Scary.
joe rogan
Savage.
Savage human being.
jamie vernon
Did you see the fighter who had his jaw split and fought for like four more rounds with it?
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
The bottom mandible.
joe rogan
That happens.
It breaks in half right here and it goes up and down.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
Yeah, check this out.
Fuck that.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Look how it's dropped down.
jamie vernon
They said it happened in the second round and they kept fighting.
joe rogan
And he kept fighting?
jamie vernon
He wanted to fight, but they had to tell him, hey, your jaw's broken.
That's not good.
joe rogan
Well, the problem...
Oh my god, that's so broken.
The problem is it'll tear all the tissue in there and it'll never heal right.
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
Benjamin Hussein from Australia.
joe rogan
Who hit him?
jamie vernon
Uh...
Ben Mahoney.
They thought it just dislodged his mouthpiece, and then a bunch of blood started coming out.
joe rogan
There was a woman who had that in an MMA fight.
Kim Couture.
She was Randy Couture's wife at the time.
And her jaw did the same thing.
Dropped down.
jamie vernon
You can see it moving.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
That is crazy.
That's crazy.
Look at the...
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
tony hinchcliffe
Good lord.
Can you imagine the headache the next day?
joe rogan
I saw a video of a lion that got kicked by a gazelle and had a broken jaw.
That's some hard shit to look at because you're like, ooh, this is not going to last.
tony hinchcliffe
There's no recovering from that, right?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
If you're a lion because you can't eat.
unidentified
Hospitals.
tony hinchcliffe
Right?
No lion hospitals.
joe rogan
Lions have one shot at getting injured.
They get injured once in their life and then it's over.
tony hinchcliffe
So how long do you think they last after an injury like that?
unidentified
Dead.
joe rogan
Dead within a couple weeks.
They usually starve to death.
How do you not starve to death if you can't eat?
tony hinchcliffe
You think the lion keeps thinking...
You think they have memories and they're like, that fucking gazelle.
That fucking gazelle.
Nope.
joe rogan
I think they hold no grudges.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
I think grudges are connected to cognitive function, like our ego, our understanding of ourself.
That's like, oh, I'm going to get him back.
Because it's like your ego.
I don't think animals have an ego.
They have a sense of fair, though.
Animals have a sense of fair.
Some animals do, at least.
Chimps do.
One of the reasons why chimps attack people is because if people give something to someone else and they don't give it to them, they have a real sense of fairness.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a famous story of this guy who had a pet chimp.
And then the thing about chimps is you can keep them when they're young and then they get older and it's like a man, but a man that's five times stronger than you.
And like, why is he going to listen to you?
He's not going to listen to you.
So I think he started biting off fingers.
It's one of the things that chimps do.
When chimps get mad at you, they bite off your finger.
Yeah, just to let you know.
They're the boss.
Like, they don't give a fuck if you're injured.
They have no remorse, right?
And they're intelligent.
So you have this thing that's not a dog.
It's not a person.
It's this weird in-between thing.
It's an animal, but it's also intelligent.
And so when you do something for someone else, but you don't do something for them, they get rage.
Like, horrific rage.
So this guy gets rid of this chimp, brings it to a shelter.
The shelter takes it in.
And he goes to visit it every year, and the chimp goes to see him, like, oh, my friend, I miss you, I miss you, why can't I come home?
But he can't come home, ever, because he would just take over the house, right?
Because he's a grown chimp.
They don't castrate chimps, the way they castrate dogs.
When you castrate a dog, it's standard.
People think it's good.
Oh, did you get your dog neutered?
Yeah, I did.
And you're like, you want your dog to have no testosterone.
You want your dog to have no balls.
But then it becomes a different thing.
Then it's like tired.
Have you ever seen a dog get snipped?
I had one of my dogs get snipped when it was five years old.
He was just too aggressive.
And so someone talked me into it.
And then when I got him snipped, all of a sudden he was just tired all the time.
He was lazy.
And I realized, oh, he didn't have any testosterone anymore.
It's all gone.
I'm like, wow.
So the dog's a different dog now.
So you can't do that to the chimps.
For whatever reason, you can't do that to the chimps.
tony hinchcliffe
You can't neuter a chimp.
joe rogan
So this guy goes to visit the chimp and he brings a birthday cake.
Happy birthday, buddy.
And the other chimps that are in cages right next to him are like, this motherfucker didn't bring me a cake?
I can't believe this shit.
So they figure out a way to get out and they got out and they attacked the man and they tore him apart.
They tore his face off.
They tore his dick off.
They tore his feet off.
They bit his fingers off.
It's one of the most horrific, cruel attacks you'll ever hear of because they did it to try to take away from him the things he wants and needs.
Like, chimps recognize you need your fingers in order to do things.
You need your face in order to see.
You need your dick in order to fuck.
So that's the things they go after.
tony hinchcliffe
Fucking assholes.
joe rogan
They don't they don't just try to kill you they try to take away what it means to be a human so if you try to hide your hands they'll pull your hands away from and open them up and bite them off like crazy with a rage filled look in their eye and They don't communicate with language So they only have this sense in their head of what's fair and what's not fair and what you've done to them.
So if you do something that makes them jealous, they think immediately you've done something bad to them.
They don't think that, no, no, I just gave my friend a cake.
Uh-uh.
You made them feel bad.
So it's you.
You made them feel bad.
So they'll go right after you.
It's like a sort of a, it's an interesting study in the way sometimes people look at things.
Like we've all been jealous, right?
You've been jealous of someone.
You see someone who's doing something well and you go, oh, I wish I was that guy.
But you don't go attack that person, right?
People recognize, like, it's not his fault that I feel bad that he has this Corvette.
I have to just...
Fuck.
I just gotta appreciate the guy's hustle.
Guys out there kicking ass.
Alright.
I gotta get my shit together.
But there's a thing that we have initially, especially when they're children.
We feel angry, like you feel upset, like you feel like you've been shorted, like someone's, oh, why didn't I get that?
This is bullshit.
He gets it and I don't.
It's a fascinating part of humans.
And then humans, as we get older and more sophisticated with language, but still carry the same childish emotions, we find reasons to be upset at someone for being successful.
We find reasons.
Eat the rich.
We find these weird little ways that we can justify our jealousy or our anger or our disdain for those who are more successful than we.
So it's like we're coming up with complicated, sophisticated ways to justify these primal behaviors that chimps exhibit in just violent rage.
So this guy, it's a famous case.
You can see the pictures if you want to see the pictures.
tony hinchcliffe
Of the cake guy?
joe rogan
Of the guy who got his face ripped apart and fingers bitten off.
Yeah, I mean, he was in the hospital.
tony hinchcliffe
That sounds great.
joe rogan
Folks at home, prepare.
Don't show it on the screen because it's rough.
But Tony needs to see this before you go give a tramp a cake.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
No nose.
See how he bit his nose off?
tony hinchcliffe
God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at his face.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Unconscious, they said, after this happened.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, of course.
See his right hand?
The fingers bitten off?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's what they do.
They bite off your fingers.
That's the chimp right there.
Click on the chimp in the right-hand corner.
That's his chimp.
jamie vernon
Wow.
joe rogan
What is that picture?
tony hinchcliffe
I'm surprised he let him keep his ears.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the guy's face, Jamie.
That's what that is.
He's got a trach because he can't breathe out of his mouth.
Yeah.
Well, I don't think that, you know...
Chimps exactly know the human anatomy all that well, but they know what's important to you.
Your face, your fingers.
tony hinchcliffe
Fucking hell.
joe rogan
Tore this guy apart.
tony hinchcliffe
So if he would have brought pieces of cake and given them to all the chimps in all the cages...
joe rogan
They would all be happy.
But they're also angry that they're captive.
So when they get captive...
Look, being captive for a chimp is probably a similar feeling.
As to what it would be to be captive as a person, right?
If you see a chimp at the zoo, and you're in this big...
They're in this big containment, and all these monkey bars and stuff they could hang on, but there's a bunch of people staring at them.
Like, all day long, people are staring at you through glass, and there's a ceiling, right?
There's a net over the top so you can't go over the top, and there's fences, and you're just like, fuck!
Every day is boring.
Nothing happens.
Nothing happens every day.
There's no lions.
There's no fruit to go pick, right?
There's no places to go journey to, to explore.
Like, chimps travel around, man.
They don't just sit in one particular 100-yard area for the rest of their life.
And it's not even 100 yards, right?
If you go to the LA Zoo, you ever see how small that enclosure is?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I went to the LA Zoo once, really high, really high, like on an edible.
And I wrote a piece on my website called Animal Prison.
And I was like, because it made me feel, because you know when you're really fucking super baked, you're sensitive to everything.
But just, I recognize how, instead of thinking about myself and thinking about, you know, oh, I'm going to go to the zoo and see the monkeys, I went there and I immediately felt sadness.
I was like, oh no, these poor creatures.
Like, they don't want to be here.
Like, what are we doing?
Like, we can't do this.
I was thinking, like, I've got to get out of here.
tony hinchcliffe
It's true.
No, you're right, and it's very bizarre.
Same thing with SeaWorld, same thing with all those places.
joe rogan
Oh, SeaWorld's worse?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're as smart as us, if not smarter.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
We don't even really know how smart orcas are, right?
Or dolphins, because we put them in these weird categories, like how much emails do they send?
Do they make houses?
No, they must be stupid.
But they have a cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than ours.
We don't know how smart they are.
They also, they communicate.
They have a weird, sophisticated language that we can't decipher.
We can't decipher it.
We don't know what their language is.
They've been able to recognize specific accents.
So, you know, there's a southern accent and a Cleveland accent.
There's a Chicago accent.
Orcas have accents.
Like, we can tell by the sound, oh, this is an orca from Alaska or this is an orca from Seattle.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
It's fucking nuts, man.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, we put them in a swimming pool.
A fucking swimming pool.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so sad how their fin droops once they get depressed.
joe rogan
It's not that they get depressed.
They don't use it.
It atrophies.
It's like an arm that you don't pick anything up with.
It just gets limp.
You ever break your arm?
tony hinchcliffe
Um, no.
joe rogan
When you break your arm, they put it in a cast.
One of the weird things is you get your arm out of the cast.
It's so little.
It's like your arm atrophies.
tony hinchcliffe
Mine's always like that.
I always look like I had a broken arm for three years.
I did break my leg once.
That was fucked up right before wrestling season.
Got run over by a car.
joe rogan
What happened?
tony hinchcliffe
My girlfriend at the time dropped me off after school.
And I was getting my backpack out of her trunk, but she forgot that I was behind her car getting a backpack out of her trunk, so she started backing up.
joe rogan
Your girlfriend backed over you on purpose, and now you're justifying it.
tony hinchcliffe
And I almost made it out of the way.
It was the last second I was spinning out of the way.
unidentified
And then she hit the gas, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And turned the wheel.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
Cracked my leg into two pieces a month before my senior year of wrestling started.
Big senior year.
joe rogan
What's up, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I'm sorry to turn this back to this chimpanzee story, but it's a little bit crazier than you probably stopped looking into this.
joe rogan
Oh, crazier?
jamie vernon
He won a lawsuit against West Covina to keep the chimp in the 60s because the judge said the chimp, quote, doesn't have the traits of a wild animal and was somewhat better behaved than some people.
I was reading more about the story.
According to the reports, it ate his testicles also.
There was some report that it ate part of his brain.
They cracked open his skull and got a piece of his brain.
This chimp was later put into another holding place, escaped again in 2005 or 2008 or something.
The original story happened in 2002 maybe.
The people who originally owned the chimp rented a helicopter to go find it.
There was more lawsuits.
joe rogan
But you say that he ate his brain.
It wasn't that chimp that ate his brain.
It wasn't his chimp.
jamie vernon
I don't believe so, but this chimp got involved with...
joe rogan
It's his chimp that got involved?
jamie vernon
There was a police officer that got into...
When it got out one time, it got into an altercation with a cop.
Cops?
joe rogan
There's like 80% of cops, they suck at fighting drunks.
Imagine fighting a chimp.
How many videos have you seen of cops trying to pull a guy over and the guy winds up kicking their ass?
jamie vernon
It happens a lot.
The policeman has required $250,000 in medical treatment for the policeman.
Lori Allred was defending the chimp in court.
Wow.
I swear to God, it gets insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
jamie vernon
It said the two chimps that bit him the first time didn't have good enough lawyers.
This is like on a lawyer website I'm reading about it.
tony hinchcliffe
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
The chimps have lawyers.
How can a chimp have a lawyer?
Dogs don't get lawyers, right?
So if a dog bites you, they just put the dog down.
But if a chimp bites you, they're like, hold on!
tony hinchcliffe
This chimp sounds so good, he almost represented himself in court.
This guy escaping from prison, eating brains?
joe rogan
Tired of bullshit.
I don't think it's the same chimp that ate the brains.
I think it's the chimp that attacked the guy and tore his dick off that ate his brains.
They do take your testicles off.
They seem to know that that's where your cum is stored.
tony hinchcliffe
No good.
That's not good.
That's not cool.
That is not cool.
joe rogan
It's so crazy.
Well, you know the one about the lady in Connecticut, right?
No?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Oh, this one's even freakier.
This lady had a giant chimp, like a 200-pounder.
And it lived with her and slept in her bed.
Oh, wow.
And she gave it Xanax and red wine.
And one day, this lady, her friend came over cock-blocking.
And this chimp didn't like it.
So he tore her apart.
He tore a lady apart.
Same way that tore that man apart.
Tore this lady apart.
Tore her face apart.
Horrible story.
Terrifying story.
This lady thought this chimp was like a pet.
And then she realized, like, this chimp has no idea what the rules are.
And you can't tell what to do.
Because he was tired of this lady coming around.
tony hinchcliffe
And it wasn't the lady that was giving him red wine?
joe rogan
No, it was another lady telling her to not give him red wine and not give him Xanax.
And he was like, this bitch is cock blocking.
tony hinchcliffe
You think the chimp looked for testicles and was like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
No, he probably knew it was a female.
But I don't even know.
I'm joking around about the cock blocking part.
But he, for whatever reason, didn't like that lady and just decided to tear her apart.
You just can't keep them as pets.
They're two...
It's so strange.
They're animals, for sure.
But they're also so close to humans.
tony hinchcliffe
Have you thought about getting any wild animals?
joe rogan
While I'm in Texas?
tony hinchcliffe
Now that you're in Texas?
joe rogan
Funny you say that.
I have a couple giraffes on order.
I would have giraffes.
I've had a bit in my act about giraffes, you know, about the only animals in the zoo that don't seem bummed out at all are giraffes.
Because they're just like, another day with no lions.
They just stroll around.
They're so happy.
They're so calm at the zoo that they let babies feed them.
Like when my daughter was two, we brought her to the zoo.
She holds out a piece of lettuce and the giraffe come over.
It's a giraffe.
They didn't train it.
And his tongue reaches out and grabs ahold of the lettuce.
It's really kind of cool the way they do it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's the only animal that I would keep as a pet because they don't seem to care.
They seem to like it.
They're stress-free.
They just chill.
tony hinchcliffe
I held a koala when in Australia this last time.
So I went with the whole Kill Tony crew.
So I'm like, okay, I'll do the touristy stuff that I've never done there in the seven or eight or whatever times I've been there.
And we went and held koalas and they feed them eucalyptus the whole time.
joe rogan
That's all they eat.
tony hinchcliffe
And the reason why they keep feeding them eucalyptus is because the second you stop giving them eucalyptus, like truly within three seconds of them not having the next leaf, they turn more into a bear.
Like it's like they start acting.
Instead of being this mellow little bundle of joy, you feel they're...
Claws tighten up and you feel it.
It's a fucking bear.
They're like cute and slow and dumb.
And then as soon as they...
It's a straight up drug.
It's an IV drip of just heroin to them.
And if they come off...
unidentified
Is there another animal like that that only eats one plant?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's a good question, right?
Cows eat grass.
Sheep eat grass.
But they just eat eucalyptus.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like one weird plant.
tony hinchcliffe
They smell like it.
Oh!
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
I wonder what they taste like.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a good question.
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Did they get real cunty with you?
Would you cook one?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You felt like a little aggression from them, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, absolutely.
I put it down.
joe rogan
Fucking leaves!
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's my fucking leaves?
Like a fake baby.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember that story about a girl that this couple adopted and they thought they were adopting like a 10-year-old and it turned out to be a tiny person and a tiny person who's completely insane and was pretending to be a little kid?
Do you know that story?
tony hinchcliffe
Scary.
joe rogan
It's a terrifying story.
Because this couple had this little tiny person in their house that was like Chucky.
They wanted to kill them.
And then they realized, oh, this lady's 30. Right here.
Ukrainian orphan, the center of an adoption scandal, might be an adult.
Here are eight adults who are caught posing as children.
jamie vernon
That's happened that many times.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, so look at that.
Imagine that's a 30-year-old playing with your baby.
And you're like, oh, we're going to help her.
She's going to have a better life.
Meanwhile, she's doing heroin when you're not around.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That might be the scariest thing ever.
These are the different stories.
Okay, click on that one.
Come on, you fucking pop-up.
Oh, you son of a bitch!
Looks like you're using an ad blocker.
We're here to cock-block your ad blocker.
That's hilarious.
Why don't you just shut off the ad blocker?
I don't mind ads.
All right.
Parents who are accused of abandoning an eight-year-old Ukrainian girl say they adopted say she was actually a 22-year-old mentally disturbed adult.
Look at the parents.
It's a movie.
It's a Coen Brothers movie, right?
Yeah.
Those two winding up in jail.
Well, it all started when we tried to do a good thing and adopt a baby.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Daryl's balls didn't work.
So we decided...
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Crazy, right?
tony hinchcliffe
That's frightening.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
Scroll back up again.
We just...
Yeah.
Christine Barnett says Natalia terrorized her family.
An interview with the Daily Mail.
Trusted source.
Christine Barnett said that the adoption was a scam.
The girl was not who they thought she was.
Christine Barnett said that she and her now ex-husband...
Oh, they got divorced over this.
She said she didn't know many details about Natalia's background, but we're told her previous adopted parents gave her up for undisclosed reasons, like maybe because she's 20. Christine Barnett said that Natalia terrorized her family, tried to stab them when they were sleeping, and once tried to push her towards an electric fence and poured bleach in her coffee.
tony hinchcliffe
Ah, there you go.
Get rid of the coronavirus.
joe rogan
The media is painting me to be a child abuser, but there's no child here, she said.
Natalia was a woman.
She had periods!
She had adult teeth.
She never grew a single inch.
Which would happen even with a child with dwarfism.
The doctors all confirmed she was suffering from a severe psychological illness only diagnosed in adults.
tony hinchcliffe
That's scary.
joe rogan
Natalia has a type of dwarfism called, whoa, how about this word?
help me out spondyloepiphyseal How do you say that?
tony hinchcliffe
Spondyloepiphyseal.
joe rogan
Okay.
Dysplasia, which makes her age difficult to actually record without a birth certificate.
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Though she was said to be 6 when the Barnetts adopted her in 2010, NBC News said it saw hospital records showing her age as about 8 in June of 2010. Oh, well that doesn't mean anything.
Okay, citing court documents, WISH-TV and Indianapolis CW affiliate reported that the girl's age was changed from 8 to 22 in 2012. It said a skeletal survey at the Peyton Manning.
Holla, Peyton Manning has his own children's hospital.
Peyton Manning Children's Hospital deemed her to be 11 at the time.
Wow, she was 22 with a 22-year-old skeleton when she was 11. Wow.
Well, she made a career perpetuating her age facade.
Scroll back up.
tony hinchcliffe
It's weird that they did the test at a children's hospital.
joe rogan
Wow.
Natalia was an adult.
The document hasn't been verified, but says that she made a career of perpetuating.
That's a weird word.
How often do you say that?
tony hinchcliffe
Perpetuating.
joe rogan
Her age facade.
I don't say that very often.
I read it a lot.
Continue to fool those who had the best intentions.
That's crazy.
Where is she now?
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, being a kid is pretty awesome.
You don't have to work, you get free food, you're chillin'.
unidentified
You get to stab people while they're sleepin'.
joe rogan
They think you're a little kid.
It's freaky, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Imagine you adopt an eight-year-old and you keep like, all right, let's check your height, and you do a little pencil mark on the door.
joe rogan
You couldn't even make that movie because people say that you were being an ableist.
You could make that movie about ten years ago, but if you try to make that movie today, people call you a piece of shit.
Like, the studios wouldn't fund it.
They'd be scared of the backlash.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so sad what's going on with movies.
You make fun of little people.
I saw some stat the other day about how they're doing remakes, and there's no original anything anymore.
joe rogan
They're taking stuff out of movies.
I saw Poltergeist the other day.
tony hinchcliffe
Hey, I almost went to the drive-in last week and saw that.
That was playing at a local drive-in.
joe rogan
I haven't seen it in forever.
I didn't remember so much of it.
It's probably been 20 plus years since I saw it.
But one thing I recognized when I saw it was like, the times were so different when that movie came out.
I want to say that movie's It was like 84 or some shit?
When do you think that came out?
unidentified
I guess 82. You forgot the rest of the story.
jamie vernon
She got adopted again and went on and did more interviews and said that she was 16, not 33. The girl on the thing.
See a picture of her on the thing?
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
Oh my god.
Oh my god, she looks like she's 40. That's her?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the little girl?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She totally looks like an adult.
Natalia Grace Barnett, I'm 16, not a 33-year-old scam artist.
Oh, she's old.
Look at her face.
That's not true.
Look at her face.
Go back up to that face.
That is not a 16-year-old's face.
That's a woman's face.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
But look how small her hands are in relationship to the rest of her face, too.
tony hinchcliffe
If I adopted an 8-year-old and that's what showed up at my door, immediate return.
joe rogan
But I think when she was 20, she pulled it off.
Like, if you saw that other picture of her, the other picture of her, she looked young.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
She looked like a little kid, but she doesn't look like a little kid.
You know, from 20 to 33, she does not look the same.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
I thought we had even watched it or something and we heard her talk.
joe rogan
Did we?
jamie vernon
I remember it was all flashing back.
joe rogan
Dude, I was on my YouTube feed watching Filipino Pool the other day and an old interview came up with us with someone I didn't even remember was a guest.
If you had said, has this guy been a guest?
I'm like, no, never heard of him.
Meanwhile, I sat down with a guy for three hours doing a podcast.
My memories turned to dog shit.
It's like there's too many people in there.
There's too many.
It's like overwhelmed.
I have no room.
I have no hard drive space.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, you gotta get rid of the old and new.
It's like when you find an old joke.
That ever happen to you?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's the best feeling.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's like, I wrote this in 1998?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at that.
There's something in there.
tony hinchcliffe
Like I was telling you, Ron White's doing a guest spot on the show I'm doing tonight here in Austin, and he's going back looking over his stuff, and today he was.
I was hanging with him, and at one point he goes, you know what?
This shit's pretty goddamn funny.
joe rogan
That's Ron.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
What were we talking about?
tony hinchcliffe
Poltergeist.
joe rogan
Poltergeist.
Oh, here's what.
The movie, I think, is...
What year is it?
83?
82. 82. Okay.
So the movie is in the early 80s, and apparently it was okay to be a piece of shit back then.
It was, like, super normal.
Because, like, there's a scene where this 16-year-old daughter goes outside, and there's these people doing construction in their backyard.
And, I mean, like, the window's right there, the parents are right there, and these construction workers are like, yeah!
unidentified
Look at you!
joe rogan
And the guy's got like a tube and he's looking at her through a paper towel tube.
He's looking at her like, yeah, I love you.
unidentified
I love you.
joe rogan
She's like, fuck you.
And the mom is laughing that her daughter almost got raped.
It is the craziest scene.
Like, look at this.
Look at him.
unidentified
He's looking at her like, yeah, look at you.
joe rogan
I love you.
Yeah, and look at this.
unidentified
What?
Huh?
joe rogan
She's like, fuck you!
She gave him the this fuck you.
This is like the soft finger.
It's a lot more motion.
You have to use your arms.
But the wife, watch the mom react to it.
She's like, yeah.
And they're laughing.
Watch when they go to the mom, though.
They did give her the finger.
The mom's like, oh, boys will be boys.
unidentified
Out there raping.
joe rogan
If that was today, if you put that in a movie and tried to pass it off like it was normal behavior, people would fucking freak out at you.
tony hinchcliffe
And at minimum, you'd have to kill off those guys.
What's even more interesting is that's not establishing them as bad guys that get killed later on, right?
Those guys survive.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah!
unidentified
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
Which is even crazier.
At least if you did it, you'd have to fit it in the storyline.
Like, oh, these guys are going to be the first to get killed because they're bad people.
Instead, the whole family has to deal with hell after that.
And those guys are going on about their day.
They got paid for the construction they did.
joe rogan
Well, later on in the movie, the guy steals coffee.
tony hinchcliffe
That guy?
The construction guy?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Steals food.
He reaches in, he grabs, like, she's cooking spaghetti, so he dips the spoon in the sauce, tastes the sauce, reaches in through the window.
And she's like, how is it, Earl?
I was like, well, it's very good, thanks.
Like, no, people were pieces of shit back then.
It was standard.
It was, like, cute to watch.
Like, instead of getting outraged as an audience member, which you most certainly would today.
tony hinchcliffe
That's one of those freaky movies.
You learned about the history of that, right?
joe rogan
What, the daughter?
The little girl, rather?
tony hinchcliffe
The little girl.
There's like a lot of things that happen on that.
It's like a super cursed movie.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tony hinchcliffe
Tell me.
joe rogan
Tell me what's up.
tony hinchcliffe
So, man, I wish I could remember all of them.
But I remember her thing was very controversial.
Like, she should have been taken to a hospital much sooner than she was.
Like, it was like...
It was a sloppy, sloppy ending.
I can't remember all the things.
And I get it confused with the Twilight Zone movie quite a bit, too.
joe rogan
Four cast members...
tony hinchcliffe
There it is.
joe rogan
Fucking pop-ups.
Shut up, you're fucking...
jamie vernon
That was for Amy.
joe rogan
Four cast members died during and soon after the filming of the series.
So there was more than...
How many of them were there?
tony hinchcliffe
There was, I think, at least three.
joe rogan
Carol Ann Freeling.
tony hinchcliffe
I like number two.
Number two, I think, was at the hotel, right?
That crazy hotel.
joe rogan
Well, Carol Ann's the little girl.
So go back up to the top.
Carol Ann Freeling was the young point of the series, played by Heather O'Rourke.
Only six years old, when the first Poltergeist film was released, O'Rourke captivated audience.
She was misdiagnosed with Crohn's disease in 1987. The following year, O'Rourke fell ill again, and her symptoms were casually attributed to the flu.
A day later, she collapsed and suffered a cardiac arrest.
After being airlifted to a children's hospital in San Diego, O'Rourke died during the operation to correct a bowel obstruction.
It was later believed that she had been suffering from a congenital intestinal abnormality.
Oh, so she had...
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, basically, she was bleeding.
joe rogan
But that was something she was born with.
tony hinchcliffe
On the inside.
joe rogan
So here's another one.
Dominic Dune, who prayed the original older sister.
Oh, that was the girl who gave up the finger.
Equally tragic and unforeseen fate.
82 Dune separated from her partner John Sweeney November of that year He showed up at Dune's house pleading for her to take him back when she refused Sweeney grabbed Dune's neck Choked her until she was unconscious and left her to die He was sentenced to six and a half years in prison Jeez.
Oh my god, if that was my daughter.
Can you imagine?
Your daughter...
Like, three years is not that long, okay?
Here we are in 2020. Three years ago?
2016 and a half?
Or not even, because we're halfway in, right?
More than halfway in.
We're towards the end.
Summer.
Summer of 2017. What?
And all of a sudden this guy's out who choked her daughter to death?
tony hinchcliffe
I know chimps have been in prison more than that guy.
joe rogan
They should be.
They should put him in with a chimp.
That's what they should do.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You choke a woman to death, they put you in with a chimp, and they make you feed the other chimp the birthday cake.
tony hinchcliffe
It's also interesting how they wrote that.
Choked her until she was unconscious and then left her to die.
joe rogan
No, you mean killed her?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about?
tony hinchcliffe
Choked her to death.
joe rogan
Yeah, choked her to death.
I never wrote that.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Is that the guy that wrote it?
Anyway, I left her to die accidentally.
joe rogan
Whoops.
Yeah, maybe he's just really into choking.
Have you ever been with a girl that wants to get choked?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Weird, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I'm not into it.
joe rogan
Not into it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't want to let that fucking genie out of the bottle.
Last thing you want to do is be really into choking.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like being really into feet.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, weird.
joe rogan
But way worse, because it could lead to death.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if you're really into feet, and then you date a normal girl, and you're like, oh, you know, I'd like to, you know, with your feet.
She's like, what?
Like, for a lot of gals, that would be like a deal breaker.
Looking for a husband, looking for a man to take care of your children, looking for a person to be responsible.
You don't want a guy who wants to beat off on your feet, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
So, for a guy who's really into feet, and then he breaks up with this woman and tries to get a new one, it's like, hmm, feet thing's kind of important.
But at least that's not dangerous.
It's just creepy.
But for someone who's into choking people, you've got to be real careful to test those waters.
If you were with a girl and you had a crazy relationship for 10 years, all you did was fucking choke each other.
And you're like, damn, that's what I miss.
I miss choking and fucking.
tony hinchcliffe
Holding's fun.
Grabbing's fun.
Grabbing by the throat's fun.
Applying pressure isn't fun.
It's not fun.
joe rogan
Grabbing is fun.
tony hinchcliffe
You ever been with a girl and you're hooking up and she says, hit me?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tony hinchcliffe
And I go, it stopped everything.
Whoa.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
And then she goes, slap me.
And I'm like, okay, that's different.
That's different than hit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Because hit and slap are two very different things.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're still hitting.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, slapping's weird.
joe rogan
If you slap a woman and she calls the cops, the cops say you hit her and it's assault.
jamie vernon
Stocks and slap.
joe rogan
I think that's something.
They do that in a fight.
Spitting in someone's face is assault.
There's this crazy video of this woman screaming in this cop's face in New York.
She's like, you fucking fascist!
And he's just standing there taking it and she spits in his face.
He's like, oh, okay.
Time to arrest you.
And he grabs her and she's screaming, what are you doing?
Why are you touching me?
Spitting is assault.
If you're gonna spit in someone's face, you might as well kick them in the balls.
tony hinchcliffe
Absolutely.
That is the...
We are fighting.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fight.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
You spit in someone's face.
tony hinchcliffe
It's straight punches.
You might as well have just gotten a sucker punch in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Should have just thrown the punch.
joe rogan
It's assault.
tony hinchcliffe
Is there anything worse than that?
Is there anything worse than spitting in another human's face?
joe rogan
Well, the only difference is you spit someone, you know you're not going to kill them.
But if you hit someone, you really could kill them.
If you hit someone, you knock them out and they fall and hit their head on the concrete.
They could die.
That really can happen.
I don't think it's the same assaults.
It's fucking gross.
It's mean.
You're basically as close to starting a fight as you can without hitting a person.
But if you're going to have a scale of murder down to spitting in the face, there's a difference in what you're doing.
You're certainly provoking someone to extreme violence.
If you spit in someone's face, you don't leave them a lot of options.
Especially if they have a temper.
Like, most people you spit in their face, they're gonna throw.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if you hit someone and they fall and they die, it's not the same thing as spitting in someone's face.
Believe me, you're gonna go to jail for a long time.
Unless you get the judge that gave the guy three years for choking a girl to death.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
In 1982. But it's like, I'm telling you, the world was a different place back then.
Like, women are right.
How about that?
Like, I know a lot of these feminists went crazy, and some of them went way over the edge to the point where they actually don't like men.
But they're right.
You watch movies like that, and you see a woman who got choked to death, and the guy only got three years, and she was a movie star?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
She was in Poltergeist, and she got choked to death, and the guy still only got three and a half years.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
Dude, being a woman, for most of history, must have been fucking terrifying.
For most of history.
Still terrifying, but for most of history, like, you hook up with a guy, you gotta really worry about this guy killing you.
It's probably not gonna happen one out of a hundred times, but one out of a hundred is like...
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, like, who's that chick that died while hanging out with Christopher Walken and whoever?
joe rogan
Huh?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the girl that was murdered, Jack Wagner.
Is that a name?
joe rogan
How come you haven't had any of your drink?
tony hinchcliffe
This is like pure diesel fuel.
joe rogan
Texas whiskey.
tony hinchcliffe
Is that what this is?
joe rogan
Cheers.
I don't know.
tony hinchcliffe
I need California pussy whiskey.
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of those stories, like Natalie Wood.
tony hinchcliffe
Is that it?
That's the one, right?
joe rogan
She drowned on a boat.
tony hinchcliffe
Christopher Walken was there.
joe rogan
Robert Wagner, I think, was the one who people were pointing the finger at.
tony hinchcliffe
But Christopher Walken, I think, was, like, hanging out.
They're, like, all on the boat or something.
joe rogan
I was there.
Not paying attention.
tony hinchcliffe
Seems weird that he just...
joe rogan
Here I am, on a boat.
tony hinchcliffe
Seems like he would be a...
joe rogan
Yeah, Natalie Wood's death.
Christopher Walken breaks his silence.
Oh.
They were arguing.
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
I watched him the other day.
I just watched a preview of that movie where he can see the future or holds people's hands.
Was it called Dead Zone?
Was that what it is?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know.
joe rogan
Stephen King book?
I think it's the Dead Zone.
Yeah.
That was wild.
He was so young, baby-faced.
And there was a guy in it who was played by Michael Sheen, who was going to be the president, a crazy egomaniac president, and he wanted to detonate nukes.
He wanted to start a nuclear war.
Christopher Walken could see the future.
There he is.
He died and came back to life, and when he came back to life, he could see the future when he touched your hand, like he holds your hand, and he could see what's going to happen to you.
tony hinchcliffe
What a badass.
Look at young Christopher Walken.
Look at that fucking guy.
joe rogan
Oh, he's great.
He's been great forever.
Him and Harvey Keitel, they don't get enough love.
Christopher Walken's been in so many great movies, man.
What's that vampire movie?
Scroll down.
What is that?
What the fuck is that movie?
jamie vernon
Sleepy Hollow.
joe rogan
Sleepy Hollow.
Oh, wow.
No shit.
unidentified
I don't remember that at all.
joe rogan
There's too many movies.
tony hinchcliffe
Tim Burton just watched Beetlejuice for the first time in a while.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a classic.
tony hinchcliffe
God, it's so good.
joe rogan
My family and I, we watch Nightmare Before Halloween or Nightmare Before Christmas.
We watch that every year.
tony hinchcliffe
That's great.
joe rogan
It's fucking fantastic.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's incredible.
While watching Beetlejuice, I was thinking about what we were talking about earlier, about what executive would make that today, not knowing that it's a hit.
Never.
Just like, okay, so there's this couple that dies, and they're like, okay, well...
At least they're not a likable couple, right?
No, a super, super likable couple.
They die within the first five minutes of the film.
And then they go back to their...
There's a couple of the ones that people want to buy the house after they die.
They take over the house.
It's basically a creepy movie about real estate and them not listening to the leader of purgatory that tells them to do anything but say Beetlejuice three times, but they do.
The exec would be like, what are you talking about?
Get out of here.
Beetlejuice?
Okay, pal.
Great.
Yeah, we'll let you know.
joe rogan
You know what I watched again recently?
Coraline.
Did you ever see that?
I think that's Tim Burton as well.
99% sure.
It's amazing.
It's really good.
It's really creepy, animated.
No?
It's not?
Who is it?
It's not Tim Burton?
jamie vernon
Henry Selick.
joe rogan
Tim Burton's not involved at all?
jamie vernon
I'm double-checking to make sure you didn't produce it or something.
joe rogan
Why don't you check Snopes?
tony hinchcliffe
You know what else I watched the other day?
jamie vernon
How dare you.
joe rogan
We've been going back and forth about Snopes.
tony hinchcliffe
What's Snopes?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
tony hinchcliffe
Watched Kingpin the other day.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a great movie.
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Oh, probably their most underrated movie.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
It's so good.
tony hinchcliffe
And what I realized watching it this time is that...
Bill Murray plays the bad guy.
joe rogan
Oh yeah!
With his crazy hair.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
The circular hair.
tony hinchcliffe
And he's a hilarious bad guy.
And Woody Harrelson plays the good guy.
And Woody Harrelson, a great dramatic actor.
And Bill Murray's the silliest guy of all time.
And it just works perfectly.
joe rogan
It's an amazing movie.
And it's an amazing movie about bowling.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, Bill Murray.
He's great as a bad guy.
He was a bad guy in Groundhog Day.
He's a bad guy that became a good guy by the end of the movie.
tony hinchcliffe
He's a great golfer.
unidentified
Bill Murray's here next to Donald Trump's hair.
joe rogan
Who wore a better...
tony hinchcliffe
You should see Bill Murray out on the golf course.
He's so funny, man.
He's really silly out there.
I saw a video of him.
He called over the guy with a microphone.
You know how you hear golf shots when they happen?
The guy that holds that thing.
He called him over.
He said, come over here.
Get closer.
I want you to hear this fucking bomb I'm about to hit or something like that.
The guy gets closer and he sets up again.
He goes, closer.
He goes, closer.
The guy gets right up on it.
He does this Big backswing.
He slams the hell out of this ball, man.
And it sounded like fucking heaven when he hit it.
Because the guy is right on.
He had him right next to it.
He can play.
joe rogan
Oh, I heard.
I heard he's like a pro.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you see it anywhere?
Tim Burton?
Coraline?
Nothing?
jamie vernon
It came up that people were asking about like he didn't direct or produce it.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
Because it came out the same time or similar time as the other thing.
joe rogan
It looks like one of his movies.
That's what's crazy.
I assumed he did it.
Because it's so Tim Burton-like.
But it's probably someone who's a fan.
Does similar, weird, absurd, strange, creepy...
jamie vernon
I think that guy worked with Tim Burton.
Here's an article that says he stepped out of his shadow to make Coraline.
joe rogan
Oh, there it is.
jamie vernon
So maybe he's a protege.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
Burton didn't produce or direct it.
Interesting.
jamie vernon
Neil Gaiman book.
joe rogan
Just like Nightmare Before...
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Cool.
joe rogan
Well, he nailed it.
Whoever that gentleman is.
It's really good.
It's just a strange movie about these people that move into this house, and it's all animated.
And this little girl finds this door that's been sealed off, like this little tiny two-foot door.
She's like, what the fuck is this?
But it's been covered in wallpaper, and she finds a key for it, and she opens it up, and it has a tunnel.
She goes through it and finds a version of her family that's way nicer than her family, but they have buttons for eyes.
Like the mom is like doting.
Like her parents are writers and all they're doing is like, we have to work!
Get out of here!
I'm trying to work!
And they're like, they're not into hanging out with the kids.
She's bored and it's rainy and shitty and then she goes through this weird tunnel and all the people over there are mirrors of her parents.
But much nicer.
All they're into is her.
They care about is her and her wishes.
And they give her the most delicious food.
And they're with her all the time.
But they want her to have button eyes.
They want her to stay there forever.
And eventually she realizes something's really fucking wrong here.
And she's going back and forth between the two worlds.
It's really cool.
So, whenever you have kids, Tony, whenever you shoot a live one into the old lady, and you make a little baby kid, little baby Tony, make them watch Coraline.
tony hinchcliffe
Okay.
joe rogan
Say it could be worse, you little fuck.
Look, this lady wants to sew buttons into your eyeballs.
tony hinchcliffe
Sounds scary.
joe rogan
It's a cool movie.
And they get creepier and creepier as the movie goes on.
The parents get progressively weirder and creepier.
It's a nice slow burn.
They start off real sweet, spoiler alert, and they keep getting weirder and weirder.
tony hinchcliffe
Edward Scissorhands turns into a Christmas movie at the end.
joe rogan
Does it?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think I ever watched that.
tony hinchcliffe
It's a good one.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a fun one to watch.
joe rogan
How many movies has Johnny Depp been in?
Jesus Christ.
They booted him out of this new movie because he lost a lawsuit.
See that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Crazy.
joe rogan
Do you hear the recordings where she's admitting to hitting him?
She's admitting to punching him?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I guess the judge is just insane on this case.
joe rogan
Well, it was a civil suit, right?
Where he was suing a tabloid for describing him in an inaccurate manner.
Or describing his life.
And then he lost that suit.
And because he lost that suit.
I wonder if it's like just the optics of him losing that suit.
So the studio has to step in and get rid of him.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
tony hinchcliffe
I think so.
That's just what they do nowadays.
They're like, okay, you're not working.
Not working.
joe rogan
I think they still have to pay him, though.
I think that's also part of the thing.
He still gets an eight-figure paycheck.
And he gets to stay home.
tony hinchcliffe
Beautiful.
Doesn't have to do the press releases.
Doesn't have to walk the red carpet.
He gets to just be Johnny Depp out there.
joe rogan
Wouldn't it be nice if it just...
He doesn't do the movie, but that money just pays her off.
Get out!
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Stop.
Leave me alone.
I don't think she gets any money anymore.
I think he's suing her now.
I think that's what's happening.
tony hinchcliffe
You know who's a badass?
Jeff Bezos.
Got a divorce.
Made his ex immediately the richest woman of all time.
You know, immediately she became that.
$36 billion.
The richest woman of all time won it all in a divorce.
And then, right after that, which was 2019, he goes and he doubles or triples his overall wealth.
So he got out.
Right before making her twice over the richest woman of all time.
So she got $36 billion or whatever instead of $72 billion, which she would have gotten a year later once the pandemic hit.
joe rogan
That probably pisses some women off that the way the richest women get to be the richest women is through divorce.
There's probably a lot of women right now that just don't even want to fucking hear that shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Can we just not mention that?
joe rogan
Stop it.
tony hinchcliffe
Richest woman of all time.
joe rogan
We're trying to be over here kicking ass.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
She did it by getting cheated on.
joe rogan
Did she?
I think they were already broken up.
Do you want a cigar?
I know you do.
jamie vernon
She's number 22 on the list overall as of September.
Yeah, shut your mouth.
tony hinchcliffe
Of richest people.
joe rogan
Shut your mouth.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, she's the richest woman.
22 for women?
jamie vernon
Of all people.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, of all people.
She's the richest woman, though.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but most of the money was in stock.
joe rogan
Why are you splitting hairs, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Oh, I'm not.
No, I'm just saying she's still fucking got some of that money, too.
joe rogan
Did you read that on Snopes?
She got fucked?
jamie vernon
She did not get fucked.
joe rogan
Oh, no, she made like $35 billion, right?
Didn't she?
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah, but I was saying the point was that he got her out before all the stock went up.
She just went up with the stock also.
joe rogan
He knew what was coming.
tony hinchcliffe
He probably did.
joe rogan
Probably did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, here you go.
35?
35 billion?
Okay.
jamie vernon
Yeah, at the time, she was the third wealthiest woman in the world.
Now she's the most, whatever, how it's gone up in just a year.
joe rogan
She gave a bunch of money to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, too.
Like, I think some Billys.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
Gave a lot of money.
jamie vernon
The Giving Pledge is what that's called.
joe rogan
What is?
jamie vernon
The charitable giving campaign in which she willingly committed to give away almost most of her wealth to charity over her lifetime or in her will, it says.
joe rogan
Can you take that back?
jamie vernon
It's a legally non-binding.
joe rogan
Good.
Change of mind.
tony hinchcliffe
That makes sense.
joe rogan
When you get older, stop having periods, start getting mean, develop some testosterone.
That's one of the things that you see old ladies with mustaches.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They get testosterone.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Their body stops producing as much estrogen.
Get a little more rugged, especially if you have to fend for yourself.
tony hinchcliffe
That's the amount of testosterone that I have naturally.
I have the testosterone of an old lady.
joe rogan
Old angry lady with no periods.
tony hinchcliffe
Same mustache.
joe rogan
By the way, I'm not a doctor.
I don't know if that's true.
I do know that women who fend for themselves and who run businesses and women who are like entrepreneurs and go-getters, they do statistically have higher levels of testosterone.
And they think there's a correlation between not just their actions, but when they're forced into the role of the breadwinner and forced into this role, they actually naturally develop more testosterone than they would if they were in a situation where they were married to Jeff Bezos and they could just chill.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Totally makes sense.
People are adaptable.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And, like, testosterone, I mean, of course.
They have to.
Who's gonna have that type of go-getter, go-get-it energy without it?
Like that chick from, um...
Oh, man.
Oh.
The one that tried to make the machine where it tests your blood.
joe rogan
Oh, I was gonna bring her up.
Elizabeth Thanos.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know that's a fake voice?
That deep voice she had.
tony hinchcliffe
So scary.
joe rogan
She faked a voice.
tony hinchcliffe
I want to hear a real voice.
joe rogan
People caught her talking on the phone and they were like, who was in your room?
And they walked in there and saw her and she saw them.
Hey, let me call you back.
She pretended to be like a female Steve Jobs.
She's like, I know what to do.
I'll just act like a man.
I'll put on black turtlenecks.
And everybody celebrated her.
Everybody's like, you're amazing.
You're amazing.
They wanted a woman to be an entrepreneur so bad.
She was the richest self-made woman ever.
I think at one point in time she was worth more than $9 billion.
tony hinchcliffe
For nothing, too.
It was all a lie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was certainly a lot of lies.
I don't know if it was all a lie.
I don't think it worked.
I think they really exaggerated what it could do.
And they sold it to Walgreens.
And the thing is, it's not just as simple as they lied.
It's also that people got medical screenings with that device that weren't accurate.
So, like, maybe you don't feel good, maybe you have a history of cancer in your family, and you're like, oh my god, I think I might have something.
And then you go to wherever, and you get that Theranos blood screening, and they go, no, Mike, you're fine.
And you're like, whew, back to boozing.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Mike's got colon cancer or Mike's got a tumor in his liver or Mike's got...
And you never find out because this blood scanner thing is horseshit.
tony hinchcliffe
How long did they put her away for?
joe rogan
They haven't put her away.
She hasn't lost in court yet.
I believe the company went bankrupt.
They owe so much money.
I think Betsy DeVos, I think she's into them for some astounding amount of money.
I think she went in for, I want to say it's more than $50 million.
And a lot of other really high-profile people got sucked into the narrative.
The narrative was, here's this genius woman who's really like the female Steve Jobs, and she even dressed like Steve Jobs.
And it sounded great.
I remember hearing the story, like, wow, this chick's badass.
I remember thinking, like, oh, that's cool.
I can get a blood test just by a finger prick?
Way better.
Because I get blood tests all the time.
I always want to find out where my body is.
Because I take so many vitamins and nutrients and testosterone replacement and all this shit and NAD. I want to find out how healthy I am.
Theranos, Holmes may pursue mental disease in her defense.
Yeah, I heard about that.
Yeah, she might say she's mentally ill, which is why she lied a lot.
But there's a really great podcast series about her.
The Dropout.
It's called The Dropout.
It's excellent.
It might be Wondery.
Find out if it's Wondery.
Find out who makes it.
jamie vernon
Turn into a TV show.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the podcast series is amazing.
When I was living in California, I listened to it back to back to back until it was over.
Every week when the new episode would come out, I'd get pumped.
jamie vernon
ABC Audio, it says.
joe rogan
ABC Audio.
Whoever made it, thumbs up.
You guys killed it because it was so compelling.
You find the story.
There's a guy named Sonny who was her boyfriend who drove a Lamborghini.
He's a real flashy guy.
And the two of them put the scam together, but he claimed to not know what she was doing.
tony hinchcliffe
You watched the whole thing on HBO, right?
joe rogan
I didn't, no.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, man, yeah.
I know all about Sonny.
You gotta watch it, man.
They go to work together.
They live together.
joe rogan
And no one knew they were banging.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were hiding it, which is kind of hot.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
Pretending.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm so tired of Sonny's shit.
I'm thinking about firing him.
Right.
She's like...
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
Sunny's like, I think Elizabeth's lost her mind.
tony hinchcliffe
Every day.
Rolling into work together.
Hooking up at night.
Borrowing a bunch of money for a product that was never going to work.
joe rogan
Do you think they were doing coke or something?
Because I think when you see decisions like that that you know, like there's no way this is going to work.
What's happening here?
I usually think someone's on some sort of speed.
Amphetamines, coke, something.
Something crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
Very easily could have been.
So you know all about this and you never watched the HBO documentary series?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's absolutely incredible.
joe rogan
I'm sure it's good.
I got the whole story from the ABC podcast series.
tony hinchcliffe
Seeing it's pretty crazy though.
Oh, sure.
The machine is like, it was never going to work.
And every scientist is showing you it was never going to work.
And it shows you the needles and the glass vials just breaking.
It was just pools of blood in these dirty, plastic, I mean, they had to get these orders out to Walgreens.
And as you probably know, they were training people at Walgreens, cashiers that had no experience of the such, how to...
Because they ended up having to draw the blood of these people.
Because they just kept lying to people.
They're like, oh, this thing isn't working today.
You got the pass for the...
What was it again?
Thanos?
Theranos.
But, unfortunately, today it's down, so we're just going to take your blood with a syringe.
And they had to train these Walgreens employees.
joe rogan
To tap into veins?
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
And that's how they kept the con going on for even longer.
Because once Walgreens was behind it, they paid the money.
They're like, well, let's at least...
joe rogan
There's something fascinating about cons.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Something fascinating.
tony hinchcliffe
Super fascinating.
joe rogan
You know, like, I went to a boxing gym once in North Hollywood, and the boxing coach, never forget this, he's like, you should invest in this thing I'm doing.
I'm like, what is it?
It was a pyramid scheme.
And he starts describing it to me.
I was like, well, you buy in, and then when you get other people to join up, then you cash out.
I go...
I go, you're talking about a pyramid scheme.
He didn't know what a pyramid scheme is?
He's like, dude, I've been making some money off of this.
I go, do you know what a pyramid scheme is?
He goes, no.
I go, what you described is a pyramid scheme.
There's no Google back then.
And I was like, goddammit.
And I'm like, I've got to stop coming here.
Because the guy wouldn't stop talking to me about this scheme.
Really, I'm telling you, you should invest in this.
It's a great deal.
I'm getting money back.
I'm putting money in.
You get a bunch of people to join in.
I go, where's the money going?
Well, they're investing.
And what?
In what?
He didn't understand.
It's like the biggest pyramid scheme ever, the biggest Ponzi scheme, is Bernie Madoff.
It was just super, super, super sophisticated.
He got Steven Spielberg.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
unidentified
Oh, yeah!
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
He got some sophisticated people.
The guy who made Poltergeist also got taken.
See, find out all the famous people that got taken by Bernie Madoff.
It's a big list.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
Yeah, because he was bringing back real returns.
Like, real returns.
Like, you'd get, you know, a certain percentage every year.
Like, he was just nailing it.
And there was a lot of financial people that were like, what is this?
What are you doing?
Like, this doesn't add up.
What's happening here?
tony hinchcliffe
What are the odds that his fucking last name was made off?
Is that the weirdest?
It's like OJ's last name being Cold-Blooded Murder.
It's insane.
He made off with a bunch of money.
joe rogan
Or Wiener.
tony hinchcliffe
Right!
That's another perfect one.
joe rogan
The guy who likes to show his dick.
Is it Andrew Wiener?
tony hinchcliffe
Anthony?
joe rogan
Anthony Wiener.
Where's he?
He's out of jail, right?
He should be doing stand-up.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
That guy's a comic.
Steven Spielberg.
The director's charity, the Wonder Kinder Foundation, lost an undisclosed amount in November 2006. It had assets of $12.6 million in 70% of its interest.
And dividend income reportedly came from Madoff.
Wow.
Kevin Bacon.
They got taken.
And Kira Sedgwick.
She got taken.
Norman Brandman.
Whoever that is.
Ira Rennert.
Look at him.
He should be taken.
I don't trust your tie.
I don't like the color of your shirt.
Get the fuck out of here.
Zsa Zsa Gabor.
God damn.
They took Zsa Zsa?
You piece of shit.
She suffered a $10 million loss.
Oh no!
She's from Green Acres, bro.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my goodness, they got the Holocaust survivor too.
jamie vernon
Sandy Koufax.
joe rogan
Sandy Koufax.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Who else?
jamie vernon
Malkovich.
joe rogan
Oh my god, Malkovich!
You son of a bitch!
They should kill him for that.
jamie vernon
It says most of them have recovered.
joe rogan
Oh, shut up.
Recovered.
jamie vernon
Finally receiving payouts.
They've not recovered everything.
They're just finally starting to get money back, but this is 2017. $4 billion of recovered funds.
joe rogan
Look at his face.
One of the things they said that was really fascinating about him, the cops that handled him and all the people that brought him to court, he never felt any remorse.
Never.
He was a straight-up sociopath.
He didn't give a fuck.
He kept demanding things.
He felt he should get more things.
Better treatment.
Wanted better rooms.
No remorse.
Never felt bad.
All these retirees, these people that saved their whole life and they were going to put all their money in his account.
Norman, I think we're going to get a good return on our money.
He just stole it.
unidentified
Stole it all.
tony hinchcliffe
Why steal that much money?
joe rogan
Because that was what his business was.
tony hinchcliffe
But what's the difference between $4 billion and $1 billion?
joe rogan
$3 billion, you fucking idiot.
Jesus Christ.
When I am giving you math advice, you've got a real problem.
tony hinchcliffe
But what can you buy with four that you can't buy with one?
joe rogan
Island.
tony hinchcliffe
But does anyone do that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
No one wants their own island.
joe rogan
You're so naive.
Listen to me.
It's like everything.
When you're playing a game, okay, let's say you're playing golf, right?
What's a good handicap?
tony hinchcliffe
Zero.
joe rogan
Zero, okay.
And say, what are you at right now?
tony hinchcliffe
Horrible.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Whatever.
tony hinchcliffe
We'll say...
joe rogan
Everybody starts shitty.
Whatever you are, you're better than me.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you?
tony hinchcliffe
I'm not sure of my exact handicap right now.
unidentified
30?
tony hinchcliffe
Sure.
joe rogan
Okay.
You want to be 15, don't you?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Then you want to be 5. Yeah.
Okay.
Well, when you're Elon Musk and you're worth 20 billion or whatever, you look at Jeff Bezos, you're like, that piece of shit's stealing my ideas.
His fucking Project Blue or whatever, that bullshit rocket formula thing he's got, lying about his achievements.
I want to beat him!
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
When you're Jeff Bezos, and you realize you're worth $150 billion, but you realize some Saudi oil guys are probably worth a couple trillion.
Wouldn't it be nice to be the first legit trillionaire from the Western world?
Why wouldn't Bezos quit?
Why doesn't he stop working?
Why isn't he just lying on a beach somewhere, get his balls massaged and drink coconut juice?
Why?
Why do people keep working?
They keep working because it's a sickness.
Because numbers.
You get numbers, you want more numbers.
It's one thing if you're getting numbers doing what you love to do.
Like if you're a baseball player and they keep paying you more and you love baseball.
unidentified
But if you're just a straight up numbers man, you're never fucking satisfied.
joe rogan
You want more numbers.
What is it?
Bernie Madoff asking Trump to reduce his prison sentence for massive Ponzi schemes.
What year is this?
jamie vernon
This is last year.
joe rogan
I hope he does.
I hope he does just for the spectacle at all.
I hope he pardons Snowden, and I hope he pardons Julian Assange.
Let's Madoff out, gives O.J. Simpson a full pardon.
What else?
OJ. Yeah.
Exonerates Mike Tyson.
It goes down the list of everyone who ever went to jail for...
How many pardons do you get?
jamie vernon
As many as you want, I believe.
unidentified
Unlimited.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
What if he just opens up the prisons?
Everyone!
Pardon!
tony hinchcliffe
He might.
joe rogan
Donald Trump loves you and you can all vote.
What if he changes that, opens up the prisons, makes everyone pardoned for every crime ever.
And then you can all vote.
Everything except murder and rape.
tony hinchcliffe
That'd be an interesting storyline.
He's going to push back on this thing.
I don't know what's going to happen, but that'd be an interesting movie.
A president who's mad that he didn't get re-elected, so he lets out his anger on the country and just uses all of his power.
joe rogan
Well, he already fired...
What was it?
The Secretary of State?
No.
The Secretary of Defense?
Yeah.
He fired the Secretary of Defense.
I mean, when you're firing people two months in.
And there was a...
Maybe it was a New York Times article I was reading about his schedule.
They were saying he shows little interest in his job right now.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what do you expect?
He just lost the election.
Do you expect a guy that played golf more than any other president ever in the history of presidents who complained about Obama playing golf, who's playing golf more than anybody ever, when you tell him the job's over, he's not going to keep working.
Why would he do that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why would he keep working?
tony hinchcliffe
Plus, you don't believe in the people that...
Why help the people that went against you?
joe rogan
Well, not everybody went against you.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
I agree.
I mean, look, I've always been weirdly...
I sort of like the guy.
joe rogan
Well, you like bad guys.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, but I don't think...
I like bad guys that are actually good guys, but are bad guys.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Have you watched Cobra Kai?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
You should watch it.
That's the whole theme of the movie.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
joe rogan
The show.
The series.
Yeah.
You remember the bad guy that Ralph Macchio fucked up?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He's the guy you root for in the Cobra Kai series.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
It's really good.
It's really good and it's really cheesy.
In a good way, it's like watching a really well-written 1980s movie, but it goes on for hours and hours and hours.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
It's like a Netflix 1980s movie with 2020 writing, but like an homage to 1980s movies.
And Ralph Macchio.
tony hinchcliffe
What's Ralph Macchio doing this?
joe rogan
He's the bad guy, but he's also a good guy.
He's a good guy, but he's making some really fucking petty decisions, and you kind of root against him.
And the bad guy is kind of a fucking loser, but you kind of root for him.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ralph Macchio's a winner.
He's got a car agency.
He's doing real well.
Yeah, LaRusso.
LaRusso Auto Sales.
Fucking great.
tony hinchcliffe
You know, when Trump was at Madison Square Garden, I just didn't get the vibe from him that he was a bad guy.
joe rogan
Oh, well, that's good enough.
You saw him from a distance.
tony hinchcliffe
Jesus Christ, Tony.
joe rogan
You're the average American voter.
tony hinchcliffe
Hey, 70 million people can't be wrong.
joe rogan
Of course they can.
That's him.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
jamie vernon
Johnny Lawrence.
joe rogan
Yeah, Johnny Lawrence.
What is his real name?
He's really good though.
The actor.
I don't know what he's done since Cobra Kai.
I hope he's had regular jobs.
I haven't seen him in anything.
jamie vernon
Mike Barnes?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
How far into this did you get?
I'm always surprised by the things you end up watching and not watching.
joe rogan
This is a Bill Burr suggestion.
William Zabka.
I knew it was a Z. Zabka.
He's really good.
He's really good in it.
I knew a lot of those karate douches when I was a kid.
I knew a lot of those guys.
Those never surrender!
No retreat!
Never surrender!
tony hinchcliffe
And then you just kick them in their chest and they surrender immediately.
joe rogan
Well, they weren't the best schools.
Like, my school...
I was really lucky.
I found this school when I was 15 years old.
I had a place that I went to before that in Newton.
It was Joe Esposito's karate school.
And he was like a Newton legend.
He was a karate guy.
It was a good school.
but I didn't have the method to get there.
It was too hard to get there.
I had to get my parents to give me rides, and they couldn't do it in time because by the time they got off work, the class had already started.
There was no public transportation when I was 14 that could get me there, so I didn't go that often.
But then the T, which was the Massachusetts or the Boston train system, dropped me off like two blocks away from the Jaehyun Kim Taekwondo Institute, and I found it when I was 15.
I got super, super lucky because they were the most hardcore.
And this was in 1980. It was just different.
I guess I was 15, so it was 81-ish.
81, 82. They were hardcore, man.
But they weren't like, no retreat, no surrender!
There was none of that shit.
It was, yes sir, no sir, honor, bowing.
It was like you had the tenets of Taekwondo that you had to follow.
There was no shenanigans or fuckery.
But there was no tough guy shit either.
It was very stoic.
But we would go to tournaments and you would see those, no retreat, no surrender.
You'd see those guys.
They weren't good.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
That was part of the problem.
They were trying to make up for the lack of skill.
It's all about lineage, man.
It's all about who's teaching you.
Whether or not you learn your techniques correctly.
Because if you go to a bad school, one of the things that I found out when I was teaching is it's really hard to unlearn shit.
When I would teach people things, like if they had a background in a martial art that...
In the 70s and the 80s, there was no YouTube, right?
So you had to find a good instructor, and you didn't know who the good instructors were.
Some guys had bad technique, but they were just badasses, and they figured out how to win with bad technique.
But then they would go up against someone who was also a badass who had better technique, and then you would see the difference.
The really good guys, the tough guys that didn't have the right technique, they would eventually fall off.
And it was really hard for them to relearn stuff.
So when I would teach people, it would be real hard to relearn stuff.
Like, the best students were people that knew nothing.
The best students were girls.
Because they didn't have any macho bullshit.
Like, one of my best students was a girl that I trained from the time she was 15 to she was like 18. I was so proud of her.
I would take her to karate tournaments, these taekwondo tournaments, and she would do well.
It was like this crazy, weird mentor relationship I had with this girl.
She would listen to everything.
She never thought she knew more than you.
So I'd have like 50 people in my class, but this one girl just would show up every day.
Her parents would bring her and they would encourage her.
It was really cool.
But girls wouldn't, they wouldn't fight you on things.
Like guys, I would teach them, I'm like, you gotta pick your knee up.
Well, sometimes when a guy's close, I like to do it like this.
I'm like, okay.
Listen to me.
You gotta pick your knee up.
Do you want to kick like that guy?
You want to kick like John Lee?
You gotta pick your knee up.
You gotta do it right.
Guys would have like this weird ego shit.
Girls wouldn't have it.
I would say, you have to pick your knee up.
They would go like this.
And they'd go like, yes.
And then turn like that.
And they would just do it.
And if you learn the right way, you had a way better path.
So I got stupid lucky that I walked into the right school and found these people that were like hardcore with technique.
Everything had to be done correctly.
And if you were off at all...
Every instructor was Mr. Mr. O'Malley or Mr. Kim.
Mr. O'Malley or Mr. Kim, they would correct you.
Not like that, like this.
Didn't matter how hard you were hitting the back.
If your knee was low or if your position was wrong, your foot wasn't pivoted, they would correct you.
Technique's everything.
You know that from wrestling, right?
tony hinchcliffe
100% everything.
And golf.
It's everything.
joe rogan
Technique is everything.
tony hinchcliffe
Any moron that would take a golf club and go, I'm going to hit this ball so hard without doing the 30 things at once that you have to do.
Fall over and look like a complete moron.
joe rogan
That's why it's so good to learn new things Yeah, because when you learn new things you start from scratch you get to be a beginner again Yeah, and one of the things that I think plagues a lot of people is they they'd never become beginners again at things and so you get proficient at something and then you become stagnant like Whatever it is Whether it's martial arts or whether it's even pool.
I would remember when I would play in tournaments a lot, there was guys that never got better.
Like, they were where I was when I first started and then I got way better and they were the same.
Same with martial arts.
There's some people, they do something for a long time but they never do it right.
They always have like these weird flaws in their style or their execution or their technique.
But I think getting good at anything, whether it's Chess or golf or playing a musical instrument I think that's one of the most important things a person can do is learn something from scratch where you suck at it I'm trying to think of the next thing because I'm I'm not great at archery, but I'm pretty good.
I'm pretty good.
I'm pretty proficient I know how to keep my shit together when it comes to like the moment of truth when I look in a bow hunting scenario because I've been nervous a lot doing stand-up and fighting and all the other shit I've ever done but I need something new.
I'm trying to figure out what it should be.
But I think guns, like learning how to shoot pistols correctly, like that terror tactical, that helped a lot.
That was an interesting thing to do, to get better at that.
Because you realize that this is a totally different thing than anything else you do.
And so you, and learning from all the people there, like, how to hold it correctly, grab it really hard with your right hand, but your left hand, or your left hand, rather, but your right hand, you don't really grab that hard, which is interesting, because that's the trigger finger, but you don't have a lot of tension in that.
The tension is more in your left hand.
And all these techniques you learn from those, like, people that win these world championships and shooting, anything you're doing, man, whatever it is, whether it's yoga or any, just try something new.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And get better at it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
I play golf with one guy who wants to be good, so he's not getting any better because he's, like, cheating.
You know what I mean?
He cheats?
Yeah.
And we all know that he cheats, but he doesn't know that we all know and that we're watching him the whole time, so it's one of the funniest running things.
Three out of the four of us know that the one is cheating continuously.
So he'll do this thing where...
Where he'll go, he'll find his ball, if he finds his ball, by the way, which if he can't find his ball, he'll just say that he found his ball and drop another ball.
He'll pull his cart over and then go to the other side of his cart so that we're all blocked out and he'll magically find his ball.
joe rogan
Are you playing golf with Donald Trump?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Because that's what he does.
That's what everybody says.
tony hinchcliffe
No.
These people are full of crap.
You watch Tiger Woods, he'll tell you he's one of the best golfers that he's ever golfed with.
unidentified
I'd say that too if I wanted to go to Mar-a-Lago.
joe rogan
I live in Florida.
I want to go to Mar-a-Lago.
I don't want to be banned like Joe Scarborough.
tony hinchcliffe
No.
That's why they don't show you clips of Trump playing golf, because they don't want people to know how good he is at it.
I'm dead serious.
unidentified
Stop.
tony hinchcliffe
I will not.
joe rogan
Listen to me, stupid.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't you think Trump would have videos of him being awesome at golf?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's out there.
joe rogan
Let's watch them.
tony hinchcliffe
Okay.
joe rogan
Do you think you have videos of Trump, like you have videos of Manny Pacquiao running out in the pool?
I told you Manny Pacquiao's like a legit pro.
You saw it.
Do you think there's videos of Trump playing like Manny Pacquiao plays pool?
tony hinchcliffe
Trump probably doesn't release the videos because he thinks people will compare him to pro golfers.
But to a non-pro golfer, he's a freak.
joe rogan
Listen to me, bitch.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm telling you, I'm right about this.
joe rogan
You're talking nonsense.
How and why President Trump treats golf even when he's playing against Tiger Woods.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, fake news.
unidentified
Golf.com.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, golf.com.
joe rogan
It's on golf.com!
tony hinchcliffe
Sure, you can go to the New York Times and they'll tell you Trump is bad at some point.
joe rogan
Bro, if anybody's conservative, it's golf players.
tony hinchcliffe
So you think Tiger Woods...
joe rogan
How many conservative golf players do you think there are?
Is it a thousand percent?
tony hinchcliffe
There's a lot.
Trump owns like ten of the best courses.
joe rogan
I understand.
But people that play golf are generally business-oriented folks.
Business-oriented folks want better tax breaks.
They're the kind of people that are going to be conservative.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they're going to buy a golf magazine.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
People who write about golf may be a little bit more liberal because they're journalists?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, exactly.
Every journalist is liberal.
joe rogan
Not everyone.
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, there's a couple, but nobody's reading them.
joe rogan
What's a conservative newspaper?
Trump doesn't just cheat at golf.
He cheats like a three-card Monty dealer.
He throws it, boots it, and moves it.
He lies about his lies.
He fudges and foozles and fluffs.
At Winged Foot, where Trump is a member, the caddies got so used to seeing him kick his ball back onto the fairway, they came up with a nickname for it.
Pele.
That's a nickname for him.
Pele.
tony hinchcliffe
Get out of here.
joe rogan
I played with him once, says Brian Marshall, a longtime Winged Foot member, and the chair of the coming 2020 Men's U.S. Open.
I would say that's a legit source.
His quote, it was a Saturday morning game.
We got to the first tee, and he couldn't have been nicer.
But then he said, you see those two guys?
They cheat.
See me?
I cheat.
And I expect you to cheat, because we're going to beat those two guys today.
tony hinchcliffe
He's being funny.
joe rogan
So, yes, it's true.
He's going to cheat you.
But I think Donald, in his heart of hearts, believes that you're going to cheat him, too.
So, if it's the same, if everybody's cheating, he doesn't see it as really cheating.
Okay.
Well, that makes sense.
Because I would think that a lot of his friends are dirtbags, too.
Like, one of the things about joke thieves, right?
We all know this.
They take kids on the road with them, and those kids become joke thieves, right?
We don't have to name names.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
But we know comics who started out working for thieves.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
And those comics became thieves.
tony hinchcliffe
No doubt.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they realize, like, this guy's got a Mercedes.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Lives in a nice house.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep, and that's how it's done.
joe rogan
That's how it's done.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
If you grow up in the wrong environment, you really...
You think that that's the way to do it, you know?
And I think if you're in that fucking dog-eat-dog, crazy, egomaniac, pre-internet business world, which Trump is 74, right?
He was 50 when the internet came around.
Stop and think about that, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
They weren't expecting that.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
Thought you could just keep being a douchebag.
tony hinchcliffe
Speaking of cons, I stopped one the other day.
Stopped a con?
Yeah, I felt really good about it.
So I was leaving my place, going to get a coffee, and I see this guy leaning out of his brown bronco.
Yelling at this lady in the car in the lane next to him.
joe rogan
He's got a Bronco?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, something like that.
joe rogan
Like a nice one?
tony hinchcliffe
No, like a beat up one.
joe rogan
Like an OJ one?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, like an old beat up OJ one.
And it's like beat up and brown and something just didn't look right about it.
And the guy's like yelling like, no, seriously, pull over lady, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
And I noticed it and I'm like, something seems shady, what's going on over there?
And then their light turns green and he's like beeping at this lady aggressively that's in the lane next to him.
Whatever, I go get my coffee and Ten minutes later, I pull into a gas station to get something.
And I see the same car.
And this guy...
There's a lady pulled over at the gas station.
And he's yelling at this lady.
And the lady's like...
And I'm trying to listen, but I'm not.
And again, I'm like, screw it.
I'm going to mind my own business.
And I go in the gas station.
And then she...
Is in line behind me.
She's going to the ATM. And I'm like, hey, just out of curiosity, what'd that guy say to you?
She goes, I think I'm being scammed.
And I go, you are.
It turns out that this guy was screaming at ladies that because of how they were driving, he had to swerve and hit a car.
And he doesn't want to have to go through the insurance, so just give him a few hundred bucks now.
Since I saw him do it to two different ladies at two different cross streets...
I caught on to it and he was just about to get her.
She was literally at the ATM putting her card in when I say, what's that guy talking with you about?
And she knew it in her gut.
She was right.
joe rogan
She was scared though.
So she was just going to do it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And that's how they get you.
joe rogan
There's a lot of those, man.
That's weird about LA. You don't see a lot of those three-card Monty things.
Have you ever seen three-card Monty in New York?
tony hinchcliffe
Is that what the Cubs...
joe rogan
Yeah, or cards.
Three card monies with cards, but the cup thing is a similar kind of scam.
It's like a little ball into the cup and they move the cups around and it's just like sleight of hand.
When you see David Blaine manipulate cards, you realize like, oh, okay, there's levels to everything.
David Blaine can do crazy shit with cards.
He did shit with my daughter.
He did these card tricks and I was watching everything he did and I have no idea how he did it.
He did things where he had a stack of cards and he'd keep tapping the stack and the stack would go smaller and smaller until there was two cards.
You have no idea how he did it.
You're just looking at him like, what are you doing?
It's like he's got access to time travel.
He's pulling those cards out when you're not looking and then coming back to normal time.
It didn't make...
Right?
jamie vernon
I know how to do a couple of minimal card tricks, and I'm not very good at them, but I have an idea of what's happening.
You need trick decks and shit for the one time.
I'm not good at them.
joe rogan
He was freaking me out.
jamie vernon
I was watching him do one, I swear.
I was like, I'm going to catch him right now.
I'm going to fucking catch him.
I was two feet from him, and he did something.
It just disappeared.
joe rogan
How about the ones we did where the guys were holding his wrists?
We had our security guys hold each of his wrists.
He asked them to do it.
Hold each of his wrists.
He rolled his sleeves up.
And he made these cards disappear.
And you're like, what is happening?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh my god.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
jamie vernon
Magicians are crazy.
It's like psychology and misdirection.
He's mixing it all together at a level that we can't understand.
joe rogan
He's so advanced.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I took one writing gig like six or seven years ago with Justin Willman, who's a genius, great magician.
He's the Netflix guy now.
I took the job because Robert Morton, who used to be the executive producer of Letterman, was the EP of this.
Anyway, I take the job just because it's a short two-four week.
We're making a pilot for this magician.
I'm like, I like magic.
Magic's cool.
And Morty's the EP, so this will be a cool thing to work on, right?
Short job.
So I show up day one, and basically we're all in a big writer's room or whatever, and I go, yeah, you know?
And they're like, we got Tony here, because he's gonna add some edge to the comedy on this show, because it was Comedy Central's first ever magic comedy show.
The pilot.
And I go, yeah, you know, I'll punch up whatever.
You guys show me the tricks that you want to do and I'll write jokes around the trick.
And this is when I realized how cool this job was about to be.
The main guy goes, no, you write the trick and you write the jokes.
And I'm like, so you'll be able to do whatever my imagination thinks would be a cool magic trick?
And him and four other magicians, which was basically the rest of the creative staff at the same time, were like, Yup.
And that's what excites them.
Because they can't even think of things.
You know what I mean?
They can, but they want to hear what a different mind thinks would be impossible.
joe rogan
And then they figure out how to do it?
What's an example?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, we ended up, because it was a pilot of a show, we ended up having to figure out a theme for just the pilot.
So, for example, that was technology.
So, one of the things was him versus a 3D printer.
Yeah.
In making things appear.
It was really funny because there was this kid, they went to this, we ended up finding this like nerdy smart school where this kid was excited about his 3D printer and basically it was just him making things appear out of absolutely nowhere while one kid was still printing one thing with a 3D printer.
It took forever and he ended up just pidge and pidge and pidge and pidge and car, car, car, car, car.
Like it ended up being...
It's a comedy.
I'm trying to think of what other ones.
There were some really crazy ones.
joe rogan
I think it's a whole world where there's things that they understand, they know, where the average person...
You look at a deck of cards, you have an idea of what's possible with that deck of cards, but they have...
10x times more options.
How to hold them, how to move them, how to maneuver those cards, how to distract you with the other hand.
I'd like to hang around with David Blaine for a few months and watch him do tricks.
tony hinchcliffe
It ended up being one of the most fun gigs I ever worked on.
I'd get home after a day of work and I'd find the seven of spades in my shoe.
I'm like, this guy forgot to finish that one trick.
joe rogan
He stuffed a folded card under Jeff's watch band.
And he's like, where's the card?
And Jeff's like, where'd it go?
He goes, look at your wrist.
And he's like, what?
And he realized it was folded and stuffed under his watch band.
And he has a fucking G-Shock, right?
So it's not like a loose, crazy watch band.
It's a tight, buckle, rubber strap watch band.
He stuffs it in there.
And he's like, what the fuck?
And I'm like, what the fuck?
No one saw it.
Jamie, you were filming some of it, right?
Didn't you film some of it?
jamie vernon
Other people did.
I was a big fan of his growing up because I was a huge fan of Magic, David Copperfield, but after I figured out how the fake that was, I moved into Street Magic because it's a little harder to do, and that's what he was big on.
joe rogan
So I waited my whole life to watch him up close and he's got to be two feet from like I said and I wanted to just I wanted to try to catch him and he was so good at he did like seven tricks in front of me can't he's a really nice guy really nice guy like genuinely nice on camera off camera with everybody with security guys with my family with everybody Like, you can tell.
It's just a really nice, friendly, genuine guy.
But some of the stuff he does is fucking weird.
Like, he made me shove an ice pick through his bicep.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, what was that like?
I mean, are you...
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
Yeah.
Um...
It's not a trick, right?
It's just pain.
And, um...
I think pain is just a sensation, right?
And if you could just tolerate the sensation, it's not deadly.
And one time I hit a nerve and we had to back it out and do it again.
I had to do it a second time because I got in there and he said, stop, stop, stop!
Like it hit the nerve.
So I had to back out and do it again.
I think it was supposed to be more disturbing and impressive than I reacted to it.
First of all, I'm used to pain.
I've been doing martial arts most of my life, so I'm always hurt.
I've had a bunch of surgeries.
And also I've butchered animals.
I understand muscle tissue.
It's just like, why are we doing this?
It was more why are we doing this than, oh my god, I can't believe we're doing this.
That one was not a good one for me.
Because it's like, okay, I could do that too.
If you want to shove that through my arm, I could just sit here while you shove that through my arm.
I wouldn't like it though.
tony hinchcliffe
Did he bleed?
joe rogan
Yeah, he bled a little bit.
Yeah.
We had to stop and re-film because he had like a little bit of a hematoma, right Jamie, wasn't it?
Like a little...
jamie vernon
Building up, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and so the security guys had to put like a fucking band-aid on it and shit and check it out.
One of them's a medic.
tony hinchcliffe
How do you think...
Do you think he went through the muscle?
joe rogan
I pushed it through his fucking arm, dude.
tony hinchcliffe
Like his muscle?
joe rogan
100%.
tony hinchcliffe
Not between the bone and the muscle?
joe rogan
No.
No, I shoved it through his muscle.
100%.
But you can do that though.
tony hinchcliffe
How thick was it?
joe rogan
The needle?
It was an ice pick.
But I'm telling you, you can do that.
You know, there's guys, this is one of the things we found out during the show that I didn't know.
There's guys that would shove swords through their body.
Their whole gig was shoving swords through their body.
And we watched it live.
I mean, not live.
We watched videos of these guys shoving swords through this one guy's body who was famous for it.
So it would take like a long thin sword and they'd shove it through his chest and come out the other end.
And he'd just be standing there with his sword through him.
Yeah, so here's me.
Did you see this?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
So here's me shoving...
tony hinchcliffe
Heard about it.
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like showing me how to do it.
unidentified
The...
joe rogan
Push it through here.
Yeah, just shove it through.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, poked it right through.
100% real.
But again...
That's not the best one for me.
Because if you're a person who doesn't necessarily see a lot of pain or you haven't used to surgery or someone getting...
If you did that to a doctor, the doctor would be like, okay, I see what you're doing.
Just pushing something through the muscle and it probably hurts, right?
It's not a good joke or a trick.
It's not an illusion.
You're just doing something that hurts.
Like, okay.
Like, Steve-O could do that.
Steve-O's probably done that a hundred times.
jamie vernon
He does things like that.
Yeah.
Didn't he go to clown college or something like that, I think?
joe rogan
Steve-O climbed in a fucking tree and had lions come chasing after him.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
He's the best.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does a lot of shit that hurts.
jamie vernon
He did the frog thing, too, though.
joe rogan
That was a different thing.
He swallowed a frog.
He swallowed a shitload of water.
So during the podcast, he probably drank 15 bottles of water or something crazy.
And then he swallowed this frog.
And then the frog is in his stomach with all the water that he swallowed.
And then he spit up the water slowly but surely in a bucket.
We had an ice bucket on the table.
And then he eventually got to the point where he felt the frog coming up and he spit the frog out into my hand.
Okay.
unidentified
Good lord.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, he knows how to do it.
tony hinchcliffe
Man.
That's the difference between David Blaine and Steve-O. Steve-O eats the frog.
You're watching it come out of a different hole.
joe rogan
The frog comes out of my nose!
tony hinchcliffe
Here it comes.
unidentified
Put the plunger to my butthole.
tony hinchcliffe
That stuff holds up, man.
Those movies, nothing makes me laugh like those movies.
I swear to God.
joe rogan
Jackass?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Nothing.
joe rogan
Those guys are crazy.
tony hinchcliffe
I could watch it over and over and over again.
joe rogan
What's amazing is that Steve-O walks around like he's fine.
It doesn't seem that hurt.
I mean, one time, real recently, he had a bunch of skin grafts.
Remember, he got real badly burnt?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of the things he was doing.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah, because he put together this new special.
I actually...
He had me come over to...
To watch it.
And I'm telling you, it is so freaking good.
He saved a lot of his favorite things that he wrote himself for this.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the one where Tim Kennedy choked him unconscious on stage?
tony hinchcliffe
Is that this one?
This new thing?
joe rogan
No, this one's a while ago.
But my friend Tim Kennedy, who was a top-notch middleweight in the UFC, put the fucking choke to him, choked him completely unconscious, and let him go.
And he falls and bounces his head off the ground.
It's like, ooh.
tony hinchcliffe
This most recent one?
joe rogan
Oh, this is the one he taped himself?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, he's so funny.
He does my favorite thing I've ever seen on this one where he pretends like he's a bicyclist.
You know how bicyclists wear those goofy outfits?
joe rogan
Is that his dick?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, so he just painted himself like he's...
joe rogan
Meanwhile, his dick's hanging out?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
tony hinchcliffe
And all these people, he always falls next to somebody and they're just about to help him and then they see that his dick and balls are just painted black.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't really have a bike.
Look at this!
Oh my god, Johnny Knoxville just kicked him right in the balls and dick.
tony hinchcliffe
That's pieces of his skin.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Giant boils.
At one point, I think he does a shot of it.
Does a shot glass of one of his infected burn pouches.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
tony hinchcliffe
It's very funny, though.
joe rogan
It's a weird way to make a living, though, right?
Because after a while...
Realize, you know, you're going to go Houdini eventually.
Someone's going to hit you with something.
You're going to die.
Something's going to go wrong.
But maybe not, because he's been doing it.
How old is Steve-O? 45?
tony hinchcliffe
Probably, yeah.
joe rogan
45?
46. He's been doing it a long-ass time.
Yeah.
I think he was going to let Chuck Liddell punch him.
tony hinchcliffe
That's not a good idea.
joe rogan
I think that was one of the things he was doing.
Something was going to happen.
Johnny Knoxville got knocked out by Butterbean.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
joe rogan
It was an enormous man.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he let him knock him out.
He had a boxing match with Butterbean, which means you're going to let Butterbean knock you out.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Because you're not going to win.
tony hinchcliffe
Probably gave Butterbean a little bit of a thicker boxing glove on that one.
Right?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
No?
joe rogan
No!
No, it was a regular glove.
Looked like a nice regular 10-ounce glove.
Sent him into the DMT dimension.
tony hinchcliffe
Scary.
joe rogan
It's a regular glove, right?
I don't think it's even a sparring glove.
I don't think it's a 16-ounce or an 18-ounce glove.
I think it's a legit 10-ounce heavyweight boxing glove.
Butterbean, who is this?
jamie vernon
The early days of Jackass.
joe rogan
What's that?
jamie vernon
It's the early days of Jackass when they were doing all sorts of shows on MTV still.
Not even just their movies.
joe rogan
Oh, this is different.
He fought him in a ring, too.
This is him fighting him in a store.
jamie vernon
He hits his head on a display, I think.
joe rogan
Look, he beats the shit out of him.
That's legit.
He just beat him down.
And this lady's like, what in the fuck?
Look at these people.
Like, but this is legit.
Like, he's not, like, faking it.
So, this means that Johnny Knoxville got knocked out by Butterbean more than once.
Because those, actually, those look like 16-ounce gloves, I'm going to be honest.
Those are bad gloves that Johnny has on.
Because they have Velcro on them.
Oh, he's letting them hit them.
jamie vernon
He let them have a couple.
joe rogan
Oh, but Johnny does not have a punch.
That's not fair.
And then he KOs them.
jamie vernon
Yikes.
joe rogan
Terrible.
But there was also one, maybe it was Steve-O. Someone boxed him in a ring.
tony hinchcliffe
See if it's Steve-O. You know what you might be thinking about?
You might be thinking about the Tough Enough Pro Wrestling Tournament.
joe rogan
No, I'm thinking about, for sure, Jackass.
Where someone boxed Butterbean in a ring.
It was an actual ring.
jamie vernon
I think that was all they did with him.
It might have been something else.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure someone boxed him in a ring.
tony hinchcliffe
See, that's why it's...
joe rogan
WrestleMania?
Yeah, but it's not that.
See Butterbean KO's...
Butterbean KO's Steve-O. I just have Jackass and Butterbean.
Yeah, but just take off Jackass.
Just Butterbean knocks out Steve-O. One of the guys fought...
So is it only in the store?
What's that one?
Keep going now.
The one right below Eric...
Yeah, that one right there.
jamie vernon
That's the...
joe rogan
No, no, right below that.
Sorry.
jamie vernon
The same one we just watched.
joe rogan
Is that the same thing?
jamie vernon
It's all Giant Knoxville.
joe rogan
But there's one in a ring.
Maybe it's like a false memory.
tony hinchcliffe
So, the WWE once did this thing.
They had a horrible idea.
It's famously one of their worst ideas ever.
I think it was called the Tough Enough Tournament.
And Vince's big idea, because UFC was just gaining popularity, was to have...
He took, like, 16 of his least favorite pro wrestlers that were, like, cutting, you know, on, like, the...
He quickly could be fired.
Yeah.
And he decided to make this tournament called the Tough Enough Tournament.
And what he didn't realize is that some people were just better fighters than others.
And the guy that ended up winning it all, he didn't expect to win it.
So then he put him up against Butterbean at WrestleMania.
And Butterbean absolutely demolishes him.
Oh yeah, here it is.
It's really sad.
So famously, they hyped this guy up.
joe rogan
Oh, the right hand is wide open.
See how low his left hand is?
That's so crazy.
That's so crazy.
You can't do that.
And he's going to get up because he's tough.
tony hinchcliffe
It ruined this guy's career.
Because now he's been beaten by a boxer in a pro wrestling ring, so it was over.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, he got beaten, like, legitimately.
jamie vernon
I don't think he got up from that.
Oh, I guess he did.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, he does.
Immediately.
joe rogan
Yeah, they dust him off.
Look, he still got his left hand low.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, that is so bad.
That's so bad.
That's such a bad KO. Go back to that again.
So, that guy, that fight's over.
Look.
Oh, my God.
That's horrendous.
That's horrendous.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
That's bad.
joe rogan
God, I have this false memory of Butterbean fighting Johnny Knoxville in a ring.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I typed in a few things.
I was looking for any other celebrity or something that did, maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe it's not Steve-O? K.O. by Butterbean?
Either way.
Butterbean was a fucking tank of a human.
He was a weird guy because he was like the king of the three-rounders.
Or was it five-rounders?
Would they make him fight?
But he didn't really have the endurance to go 12, so he would go short distances, but he was so big.
tony hinchcliffe
Butterbean versus Conor McGregor, who wins?
joe rogan
Butterbean.
tony hinchcliffe
Three rounds?
joe rogan
Butterbean.
tony hinchcliffe
Conor gets to go crazy.
joe rogan
Butterbean.
jamie vernon
King of the four-rounders, they called him.
joe rogan
Yeah, Butterbean.
Dude, he hits him once.
tony hinchcliffe
It's a weird number to land on, right?
That means he's really tired by round five.
joe rogan
He's so big, you're not going to KO him.
He doesn't have a neck.
His head starts at the top.
His neck starts here.
It goes straight out.
A lot of getting KO'd is you get twisted.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Your head washes around.
Your brain washes around inside your head.
Dude, I had a crazy dream.
And now I'm remembering it.
That a friend of mine was telling me that he's got an opening between his skull and his brain.
He has to close.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
And he, like, lifted his skull up.
And I was, like, looking into his brain.
And there was all this space.
It was, like, his brain and then all this space and then the skull on the outside.
And I was like, whoa, you got to get that fixed.
What a crazy dream.
tony hinchcliffe
That is freaky.
I had one the other day, so it reminds me of that, where one of the guys that works at the comedy store was coughing hysterically, and he was coughing, and blood started shooting out of his neck and then out of his ear, and each cough just...
joe rogan
You know what that is?
tony hinchcliffe
What?
joe rogan
That's the comedy store dying in your head, realizing that it can only sustain itself for so long the way things are going.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
We'll see.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy times, man.
joe rogan
I think everybody has to move to Texas.
It's the only way to keep comedy alive.
They're going to keep LA on lockdown for a long time, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Definitely seems that way.
jamie vernon
Some news hit today just a little bit ago while we've been on.
joe rogan
Joe Biden's found the cure for cancer.
jamie vernon
No, not like that.
But Billboard posted something that is for Ticketmaster for Tickets about getting tested and having it linked to an app.
joe rogan
Yeah.
John Joseph sent me this.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that also...
Vaccines.
They're going to have it connected to vaccines.
Ticketmaster.
I saw Ticketmaster.
jamie vernon
To get into a Live Nation venue or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you're going to come to a show...
Listen...
This is very controversial, right?
I'm all for testing.
If you can test the day of and then get in.
Like, there's rapid tests, like we did rapid tests today.
You do a 15 minute test.
The problem with the vaccine is, right now, like the Pfizer vaccine, if you read into it, 90% are effective.
It's really good.
But the people that do it, they get horrific headaches and real bad hangovers.
And what they're experiencing sounds a lot worse than what Jamie experienced having actual COVID. Tell me what it was like having actual COVID. I've said it a few times.
jamie vernon
I thought I was getting a sinus infection.
That's what it felt like was coming.
I've had one before.
It's like, okay, I know it's about to happen.
I'm about to maybe have two or three days of...
Nose, pain, whatever, head pain.
It never actually came.
So that's why I was like, maybe it's still coming, or it's like, just never got that bad.
tony hinchcliffe
How many days was it like that?
jamie vernon
One, really.
And I never even felt like worse than maybe 60-70% of normal life.
I was like, I just kind of, I'm starting to feel funky, whatever.
Maybe tomorrow will be worse.
And it was, like, not worse.
It was not really much better, but it wasn't worse.
And then even as the days went by, though, a little better.
And that's when I came in, I was like, I think I'm fine.
I felt bad a couple days ago, but not now.
joe rogan
Yeah, you didn't think you had it.
You thought you had hay fever or something.
jamie vernon
Right, yeah, that's what I thought.
Because I was looking online, ragweed was real bad here.
They said even, like, don't go outside if you have ragweed allergies.
It's, like, very, very bad.
Just stay inside today.
joe rogan
Yeah, people get weird allergies.
There are weird allergies out here.
There's a cedar allergy around here, but it's not really cedar.
unidentified
Pollen?
joe rogan
No, it's a kind of plant.
It's a tree.
It's a type of tree.
It's not really cedar.
It's like juniper or some shit.
jamie vernon
They call it cedar fever.
joe rogan
What is it actually?
jamie vernon
I'm looking.
joe rogan
I think it's juniper.
There's something that gets you, for whatever reason they call it cedar allergies, but it's not really cedar.
But apparently, for a lot of folks out here, they don't get it the first year.
They don't get it the second year.
They get it like the third year.
tony hinchcliffe
Yikes.
joe rogan
I was like, what?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it says that symptoms for the cedar fever include fatigue, headache, facial discomfort, a sore throat, partial loss of smell, and a feeling of having plugged ears.
joe rogan
And what is the actual plant that gives you that shit?
jamie vernon
Mountain cedars is what this says.
unidentified
Hmm.
jamie vernon
Cedar fever is an allergic reaction to pollen from mountain cedars, according to Texas at Med Clinic.
joe rogan
Oh.
unidentified
Hmm.
jamie vernon
So it could be a different...
joe rogan
Why don't you Google cedar fever is actually from blank.
Because someone was telling me that it's a different plant.
I was like, why do they call it cedar fever then?
He's like, oh.
But anyway...
jamie vernon
Ah, there you go.
Blame it.
Blame it on, this is a joke, but it says blame it on the patriarchy.
joe rogan
The patriarchy?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
Is that how you say patriarchy?
jamie vernon
It's only male plants.
joe rogan
Jamie's so addicted to bullshit, he doesn't even say patriarchy.
jamie vernon
That's what the thing says.
Look, it says patriarchy.
It's like, they're trying to make it funny.
unidentified
Ah, patriarchy.
joe rogan
Um, yeah.
What is the actual plant, though?
Are they saying cedars as well?
Maybe the guy who told me it was different and it's full of shit.
Maybe he's one of those guys who likes to know things, but he doesn't believe in Google.
jamie vernon
Snopes only.
tony hinchcliffe
That's weird, man.
joe rogan
Those fucking bullshit artists used to be a thing, you know?
Guys would just tell you stuff, and you're like, really?
Yeah, man.
unidentified
Well, when JFK was killed, they immediately went underground.
tony hinchcliffe
What do you think would have happened if the JFK... I don't know.
This is a weird question.
You can't say today or if the internet existed then, but...
What do you think would have been different about that if that had happened during an information age like this?
Or would it not have happened?
joe rogan
The murder?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
See Jeffrey Epstein.
Here's the thing about murders today.
It is equally horrific as murders in 1963, but there's also more information coming at you.
It never ends.
It never ends.
It's like voting controversy, Antifa takes over Seattle.
You just constantly get inundated with information to the point where you forget about what you were mad at two days ago.
That's part of the problem with today.
You get an information overload.
Like I was telling you, I don't remember having this conversation with someone on a podcast that I just saw a clip of.
I'm like, oh yeah, I fucking completely forgot about that guy.
That is like, if I had a really interesting conversation, if it was rare for me to have an interesting conversation with people, if I worked in a factory, and very rarely I get to sit down and have a cup of coffee with some scientist who tells me some really cool shit, I would be telling everybody about that story.
I'd be like, dude, I had this conversation three hours, just me and this scientist, and he was telling me all kinds of crazy shit.
I would remember all of it.
But I see too many.
I have too many of those stories.
And they just get lost in my head.
I think that's how we are with everything today.
That's why no one gives a fuck who killed Jeffrey Epstein.
If you had a national...
If there was a clock or a chart, rather...
That showed national interest in the Jeffrey Epstein murder.
It was like 20% and now it's like 000.1.
Nobody gives a fuck.
Google Jeffrey Epstein murder on Twitter.
You know, like three crazy people that also are into QAnon and they're bringing up the Epstein thing.
Someone found the records.
Remember?
The records from the flight logs are out.
Everyone's fucked.
They're all going to jail.
Came and went.
Nobody cares.
Bill Gates went.
Did you hear Bill Gates went?
Came and went.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Google Trend.
jamie vernon
Popular in the summer when that stuff came out and now back down to...
joe rogan
Down to nothing.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
That's how we are.
That's...
I mean, they probably anticipated that when they killed him.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
There's so much news.
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably just figured we can get away with this.
And they kind of can.
And if things get more and more chaotic, which they appear to be doing, it's going to get worse with that.
It's going to get even more strange.
It's going to get weirder.
tony hinchcliffe
Where do you think it all goes?
Where does this crazy never-ending news cycle...
joe rogan
Mexico starts being more safe to the United States.
People start moving to Mexico.
United States gets more and more crazy.
Or you go to Canada, but Canada doesn't let us in.
tony hinchcliffe
It's too cold there.
joe rogan
Well, it's not even that.
They don't want us.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, great.
I'm glad they don't want us.
joe rogan
We become Mexico.
Canada becomes the United States.
It's not too cold there.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
You and I have been there.
tony hinchcliffe
I know, but we go...
Yeah, we go straight into a car and straight to a hotel and straight to the venue and straight to a restaurant and then back home.
jamie vernon
Remember, we talked about this on the show when that story leaked about...
It was like a hot mic.
ABC News producer got...
joe rogan
The Epstein thing?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
NBC. Wasn't it?
jamie vernon
No, this was ABC. A different one?
She's suing ABC for $10 million.
joe rogan
Was I wrong?
Is it NBC or ABC? This is ABC. Let me see the lady.
Oh, ex-ABC news staffer sues Disney-owned network over leaked Jeffrey Epstein tape.
unidentified
Ashley...
joe rogan
Oh, it is ABC. Seeking $10 million.
Yeah, okay, I was wrong then.
According to the New York...
I thought it was NBC. This is the tape.
jamie vernon
They're like, I can't believe they wouldn't put it out.
joe rogan
Is that her?
jamie vernon
No, I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a different one.
jamie vernon
This is not the reporter.
This is the girl who found the tape.
joe rogan
Right.
The reporter was the girl who was saying, I broke that story.
I knew that story, but then they buried it.
jamie vernon
The girl got fired for leaking it or something like that, I think.
joe rogan
Oh, that girl got fired for leaking the tape.
Oh, good for her.
Good for her.
I hope someone hires her.
jamie vernon
Remember, I think she was doing what they were supposed to do, like labeling things with certain whatever, and then they were like, how did this leak?
She said she didn't do it.
joe rogan
So she did.
Good.
She should.
That's a crazy thing to hide.
jamie vernon
Here's the tape that you probably, the video you're remembering.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's her.
Yep.
Yeah.
Good.
Whatever happened to that lady?
The lady who leaked it?
See, the real worry is that they would blackball someone like that and keep them from working again.
Someone needs to come up with a legit network online.
Like a legit news network.
Of like really trusted news people.
And just give them total autonomy.
Never restrict them.
And then give them a security detail.
Everywhere they go.
jamie vernon
It's expensive.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah it is.
But if you think about how much money they make.
Like Fox News and...
jamie vernon
If they want to go seek a store, you've got to fly to somewhere, stay in a hotel for weeks, weeks, weeks, pay money to get information.
joe rogan
No doubt.
It's not cheap.
Look at what's happening right now with Fox News.
People are abandoning Fox News.
Because they think that Fox News is turning on conservatives because there was people in the Trump campaign that were talking about the election results, the election results being fraudulent and all these different things.
And so Fox News said these are unfounded accusations, so they cut away from this guy explaining this, and the conservatives are freaking out.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Because what Fox News is trying to say is like, hey, you guys, this is not true, according to them.
Or it's at least not accurate.
Like the amount of voter fraud is not accurate.
Or maybe it's not enough to sway the election one way or another.
It hasn't been proven.
So when someone says it, they, for whatever reason, decide that they're going to stop voting.
That person saying it from broadcasting it on the air.
It's an interesting choice.
Because on one hand, I see their point.
If it's not true, you really shouldn't put it on the air.
But on the other hand, it's like the president's people are saying this, so it makes it news.
Even if it's not accurate, I think you're supposed to let it air and then say, this is what's wrong with what he said as far as what we know right now.
But it's a tough call.
Like, if you're the head of Fox and someone starts coming out on the air and saying some shit that you think is fake, what do you do?
What do you do?
unidentified
Especially if he's not really the president anymore.
joe rogan
If it seems like it's going to be Joe Biden in office, you've got to hedge your bets.
Because if you get into a situation where...
Imagine if...
And this is not outside of what's possible.
Imagine if, whether it's Biden or the next administration, whoever the fuck it is, gets into power and they say, we're going to make laws...
That punish people for spreading false propaganda.
Punish people who spread fake news.
We're going to make laws against it.
And we're going to decide what's fake and what's real.
And so then Fox News gets fined.
$100 million, $500 million.
They go blank.
They go dark for a week.
They have to stay off the air for a week.
Some crazy shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they decide that they're enemies of the current administration, and the current administration gets the support of the people, because the support of the people, like, if most of the people are into the president, and they can, like, what if they have control of the House?
Or control the, you know...
tony hinchcliffe
They could do it.
Technically, they could do it.
joe rogan
You never know.
Not now.
Right now, I don't think they can do it, but it's not impossible.
If you think of the people that have been silenced from Twitter, right?
The people that have been kicked off of Twitter, people that have been kicked off of Facebook, New York Post.
New York Post got kicked off of Twitter for that Hunter Biden story.
That would have never, you never would have imagined that being possible just a few years ago.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
But it's possible now.
So now we have a new sense of what's possible.
If you keep taking that further and further, you can see how Fox News would be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, kill that.
We got a business here.
Rupert Murdoch, he's alive, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Rupert Murdoch's not alive anymore?
tony hinchcliffe
No, the son's got it now.
Right?
jamie vernon
He doesn't control it, but he's still alive.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the other guy died.
joe rogan
Doesn't Rupert have a super hot wife?
I think he's got a super hot wife.
tony hinchcliffe
That would make sense.
I heard she's a real fox.
You know what I'm saying?
Come on!
Come on!
joe rogan
There's something about those purely transactional relationships.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
What's the new one?
jamie vernon
Mick Jagger's ex.
tony hinchcliffe
What?
unidentified
Jerry Hall.
jamie vernon
Jerry Hall.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Come on, son.
For real?
Let me see a picture of her and him together.
Give me that one right there.
Whoa.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Damn.
tony hinchcliffe
She's just waiting.
She's waiting.
joe rogan
Well, maybe he's nice to her.
Wow, she was hot as fuck back when she was with Mick.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Let me see that upper left picture that you just clicked on.
Upper left?
jamie vernon
Oh.
joe rogan
No, upper left?
Yeah.
Look at that again.
unidentified
Hmm.
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Nice.
Just checking his pulse every day.
unidentified
Maybe he's nice to her.
tony hinchcliffe
Just holding onto that wrist.
joe rogan
Maybe she loves him, Tony.
tony hinchcliffe
Maybe.
unidentified
Look at that hot body he's got.
joe rogan
He does have a hot body.
If you're really into anatomy, you want to know where the skeletons are?
That's what I like in a man.
I want to know where all his joints are.
I don't want anything to be cloaked by meat.
tony hinchcliffe
There's his heart, very clearly.
joe rogan
I could see it beating through his weird translucent rib cage.
tony hinchcliffe
Frightening.
How old do you think you're going to live to be?
Mwah.
joe rogan
I don't really think about it.
Honestly.
tony hinchcliffe
If nothing happened, if you were to go natural causes, because you're a very, very healthy guy, what would you guess?
If you were to go from old age, as healthy as you are, the life that you've had.
joe rogan
If I stay wealthy, I'm going to live a long time.
Unless I do something really stupid.
tony hinchcliffe
No, you're going to stay wealthy.
joe rogan
It's going to be interesting.
tony hinchcliffe
You'd have to do some pretty crazy stuff.
I mean, islands and islands, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not into buying things like that.
I think it's possible today to live to be 120. And I think what we're dealing with now, we're on the cusp of what's possible.
I don't want to say any names, but I was having a conversation the other day with a billionaire, a very wealthy man who believes he's going to live to be 200 years old.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was explaining to me all the different things that he does and where he thinks medicine and science is going to go.
tony hinchcliffe
Any simple advice?
Is there a secret out there?
Celery juice or something?
joe rogan
Don't do all the things you did in this podcast.
Don't drink whiskey and smoke cigars.
I think, for sure, exercise.
It seems to be the number one thing.
You have to keep your body moving.
You have to keep your blood flowing.
And you have to keep your body strong.
Keep your body vital.
There's a difference between working out and overtraining.
Overtraining seems bad for you.
I have a friend, he's 28, who caught the COVID, and he's in really good shape, but he caught it when he was working out really hard.
He was doing a fitness instructional, and he was training way, way, way too hard, really beating his body down.
And then he caught it, and he caught it pretty bad.
And he had it bad for a couple weeks.
He's young and healthy.
The thing about training, and this is the thing about guys training for fights, they get sick a lot.
It's because you're breaking your body down.
There's a fine line between training hard and overtraining.
It's a really fine line.
It's hard for people to find the exact spot to land in.
A lot of fighters overtrain.
Tim Kennedy, the guy we talked about earlier, he famously overtrained for his last fight with Kelvin Gastelum because he had a fight cancel.
He went through a full six-week training camp and then a fight canceled.
And then he got another fight come up in another six weeks or five weeks, I think.
And he went straight...
I'm not sure about the time, but he went straight into another full camp.
And then by the end of that camp, he was so tired.
He just never gave himself a...
Your body can't sustain peak performance levels for very long.
You can sustain a good level for a long time, but you've got to know when to peak and when to back off.
Really good fight trainers, they know when a fighter is too sharp.
They're like, you're peaking.
We're going to pull you back.
So they'll pull them back and they'll say, take a few days off.
They'll tell you.
Go watch TV. Go lounge in the pool.
Swim a little bit.
Just relax.
Go for a hike.
Chill the fuck out.
Let your body recover.
Let your body recover.
Let all that broken down tissue rebuild itself.
Let your body just rebound and then come back at it again, but do it slowly.
So the smart ones, they're monitoring heart rate, heart rate variability.
This thing that I wear, the WHOOP strap, that's what that's all about.
It's all about monitoring how well your body's recovered.
Like every morning when I check my app, I check my WHOOP app and it tells me how well I've recovered from the night before.
Whether or not I'm good to go for today or whether or not I should take an easy day.
It'll show you based on your heart rate variability.
But a lot of guys don't do it that way.
They just don't want to be a pussy.
They just want to keep pushing and keep pushing.
And you can break your body down doing that.
And that's when guys get sick.
And if you get sick when your body's already tired and compromised and then a virus gets in there and weakens you even further, you can get really sick.
I had pneumonia once for a tournament that I went to.
It was when I was training like a moron.
I never wore a heart rate monitor.
I wasn't even taking vitamins back then.
I was just eating whatever and training like a terrorist.
And then I came out here.
I came out to California.
I fought in this tournament in Anaheim.
I was 19, so it was like 1986. I fought in the Nationals in Anaheim, and I had pneumonia.
And I fought three times with pneumonia.
It was horrible.
And then the next day, I was so, so fucking beaten down.
I was so tired.
And I can't believe it.
I was like, how did I fight yesterday?
Like, what the fuck?
But that's also what happens when you take yourself past fitness and you don't want to be a pussy.
So you keep pushing, keep pushing.
But it's really dumb.
Like a smart athlete knows when to back off.
Like an experienced athlete knows their body really well and they know when to back off.
But the right way to do it is with heart rate monitors.
The right way to do it is like Steve Maxwell told me that a long time ago.
You should check your heart rate in the morning.
And if it's more than X amount of beats per minute over your standard resting heart rate, it means your body hasn't recovered yet.
So you should not work out that day.
And it's hard for people to do that.
Or if you do work out, you should work out really light.
Maybe do some positional drills that doesn't tax your body.
Do some things where you're framing and just go through everything in slow motion where you never really break yourself down.
But it's also sometimes people want to do too much too soon.
Like my friend Cam Haynes.
Cam Haynes, when he's training for ultramarathons, will run a marathon every day.
It's not fake.
I've seen him do it.
I know he does it.
He shows me his Under Armour app that he uses or tracks his distance every day.
It's bananas.
But he's done it because he's done that slowly, but surely he's built up this base over decades of training hard.
You couldn't just go out and do that.
And if you ask, like there used to be conventional science or conventional wisdom rather would be that if you run a marathon, you need to take six months off.
He's running marathons every day.
Because there's levels.
Like, you can build up.
So the athletes that stay in shape have a much better chance at getting through a training camp and not being overtrained.
But the athletes that take a lot of time off and party, those are the ones that wind up a foul.
tony hinchcliffe
I think I'm going to pee my pants.
joe rogan
Oh, go pee.
tony hinchcliffe
Okay.
joe rogan
Jamie's gone too.
You're going to pee with Jamie.
This is the first time ever that I've been left alone on a podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
And I already talked too much.
So now what to do?
I think that all of us are real nervous right now.
I think this is an unprecedented time in history where everyone is wondering what's going to happen next.
Everyone is wondering.
And it's so easy to say that we need to be more empathetic and we need to be more nice to each other.
But I really do think that that is something that we need to concentrate on.
This idea that people are making lists of people that voted for Trump and supported Trump and that they're going to put them on these lists and they're going to send these lists out to potential employers.
You've got to give people the opportunity to make mistakes, and you've got to give people the opportunity to grow, and you've got to give people the opportunity to have a different opinion than yours.
And just to say that if you support that guy, you support this or that or whatever horrible thing it is, whether you think it's racism or fascism or whatever ism it is.
I really think now more than ever is a time to come together as a country and to realize this is not healthy for anybody, to divide ourselves into these two groups.
And the more we push against, especially the people that won, the people in the Biden camp are now like, now we're going to make, even AOC wrote that, we're going to make a list of all the sycophants and supporters of Trump.
I don't think that's the right way to do it.
I think historically, blacklists and lists of people that are forbidden from working or forbidden from being considered a part of accepted culture, it's very dangerous.
People are malleable and people, they make mistakes, they fall into groups of people that have different opinions.
We just got to be...
Legitimately got to be nicer to each other.
That's what I think.
And it sounds so cliche that we have to be nicer to each other.
But that's what this country fucking needs.
We need to realize, like, yeah...
Yeah, it's fucked up.
Yeah, we're in a fucked up place.
Yeah, it's fucked up that people are rioting in the streets, and it's fucked up that there's police brutality, and it's fucked up that there's COVID, and it's fucked up that people are losing their jobs.
But the only thing we have together, if we really truly are a community, is to treat each other like we're a community.
You know, you could be...
Like, I imagine a world where there's a Republican and a Democrat living right next door to each other, and they joke around, and they laugh about stuff, and they talk to each other, and they have different opinions.
jamie vernon
What?
joe rogan
Snopes?
jamie vernon
No, I need like a five-minute...
I need to...
I can't just still sit here for a little bit.
I need to go to the bathroom.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unidentified
I can let it run.
joe rogan
I thought you went.
jamie vernon
I did.
joe rogan
You came back when you saw?
Oh, go back.
jamie vernon
And I'm like, I gotta...
joe rogan
You don't have to tell us.
jamie vernon
Alright, I didn't know if you wanted to stop.
Go or what?
I'll be back in the conference.
tony hinchcliffe
What's happening?
joe rogan
Jamie just, he cut his pee short and now his balls are aching.
He's got a shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He cut a shit himself.
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I really had to pee and then I had reached maximum pee and then once I saw Jamie go, I'm like, Jamie's peeing.
And then I really started thinking about peeing and I simply couldn't take it anymore.
joe rogan
I understand.
tony hinchcliffe
People really, you know, they, I bet a lot of people towards the middle end of your podcast, you don't realize it because your body's, you know, superhuman or whatever.
But they have to pee a lot because people get extra hydrated to do your show.
And then they drink coffee.
joe rogan
And whiskey.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It makes you pee.
Yeah.
I don't know why I don't have to pee.
I don't have to pee at all.
It's weird.
Sometimes I do, though.
I've had podcasts where, particularly after yoga, because after yoga I drink a fuckload of water because I do that hot yoga, and I'll bring a 64-ounce hydro flask with me filled with ice and water.
I'll drink that whole thing during a yoga class.
Then afterwards it's wee!
Just pee-pee-pee-pee-pee.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can't stop it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it happens, man.
joe rogan
Are you worried about the future, Tony?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, sure.
I mean, no more than I was two years ago.
joe rogan
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's no different?
tony hinchcliffe
It's just a different focus on it.
You know, it's different.
joe rogan
How so?
tony hinchcliffe
I'm just concerned about...
You know, here, let me do this.
Let's go back to what you were just talking about, about being nicer to one another in a unified front.
I had this thought the other day, which was...
I was thinking about America after 9-11, when we had a terrorist attack, and we had what appeared to be a clear enemy, and it brought us all together.
That's probably the closest we've all been together, right?
As a country.
joe rogan
Sure.
How old were you?
tony hinchcliffe
Boy, I was in high school.
I was a sophomore in high school, so I don't know, 16?
15?
15?
joe rogan
How old are you now?
36. Yeah, that makes sense.
Because I think I was 30. And I think I remember hearing about it going, holy shit.
I couldn't believe it.
I mean, I was 31. I couldn't believe it.
And then I remember thinking, wow, everyone's so unified.
All these people with American flags on their cars.
Do you remember that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Super, super unified.
joe rogan
Do you remember Jay London?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jay London used to sell those American flags you stick in your car.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Jay and I... Is that pre-Last Comic Standing?
Yeah, yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, because Last Comic Standing was later in the 2000s, right?
Wasn't it?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
2003 or 2004, he was on Last Comic Standing?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that makes sense.
joe rogan
He had a moment in the sun there for a while.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
But before that, he was essentially...
It was just like a street vendor.
He was selling these American flags.
Little ones that attach to your window.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
You roll up the window and the flag's blowing.
tony hinchcliffe
So one of my conspiracy theories, going back on that, to that 9-11 thing, is that one of the reasons why this country is sort of turning in on one another is because right now we don't have, for the first time in forever, because we're pulling out troops of everywhere, We don't have an enemy, you know?
We don't have an actual targeted, let's unify to beat this opponent type of situation.
Instead, troops are coming home for the first time in forever from Afghanistan and this and that.
And we realize that we were fooled into getting into Iraq and all of this other stuff.
It's all becoming so clear.
And since we don't have an enemy, we're starting to...
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that for sure.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then there's also COVID and the lockdown which exacerbated everything because so many people are stressed out and out of work.
There's some crazy number like 30% of the people in this country can't pay rent.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's never happened before in our lifetime.
tony hinchcliffe
It's insane.
joe rogan
And how does that bounce back?
That's my point about Melrose.
Like in a big city, who's going to invest in going back into those places, you know?
When you see these closed down places, to bring them back up.
To imagine a time where you're going to drive down Melrose and all those stores are filled again and there's all hustle and bustle and traffic and people walking on the streets and not dangerous fucking gangsters everywhere.
Like it seems weird now, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
And sometimes it picks up, you know, a nice warm Saturday afternoon.
It looks sort of the same out there.
joe rogan
Sort of?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
30%?
tony hinchcliffe
I know, it's weird.
I'm trying to rationalize it in my head.
joe rogan
It's not the same.
tony hinchcliffe
It's not.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I remember we did...
This thing for the Comedy Store where it was Whitney Cummings and Bill Burr and Paul Rodriguez and Annie Letterman and Jay Leno and me and we're on a roof with Mike Binder and it was the first time I've been in Hollywood in a long time and the first time I've been at the store in a long time and it was really emotional And it was sad.
And I was sitting there hanging out and you realize there's no one on Sunset.
No one.
And every now and then like Lamborghinis would go racing down Sunset.
Like flying.
Like you would hear like going 90 miles an hour plus down Sunset.
No cops.
I was like this is crazy.
Like this is so strange.
tony hinchcliffe
It's very surreal.
joe rogan
One of the last times I was at the comedy store, I got pulled over because my muffler was too loud.
tony hinchcliffe
The cop pulled you over?
joe rogan
The cop pulled me over.
tony hinchcliffe
So what's that like?
That just seems like a scene out of a comedy movie.
Cop walks up to you and then what?
Does he ask for the ID? No.
No.
joe rogan
He goes, I was pulling you over because your muffler's too loud.
I go, it's a factory muffler.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
I have an M3 from 2005. It's a Dinan, and it comes with a Dinan muffler.
You know what an E46 is?
E46 M3? Not really.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
There's a sweet spot.
Do you know anything about BMWs?
You used to have a 5 Series?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Beautiful car.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Great car.
That year that you had was 2002, 2004, something like that.
Same year as the E46. A lot of people think it's the Goldilocks zone of BMWs because it's before BMW became this really cushy It's a luxury car and was more of a driver-focused car.
And the year that I have is 2005. I actually got it from a guy who contacted Jamie, who we were talking about E46s, and he's like, I got one that only has 15,000 original miles.
It's a silver E43. It's beautiful.
It's like a classic-looking car.
But it's not that loud.
This cop was just looking for shit to fuck with people by.
And if I was just some asshole or maybe a young black guy, I might be getting a ticket.
I might be in trouble.
Like, he just decided to pull me over for nothing.
I wasn't speeding at all.
I just took a right out of the Comedy Store parking lot and all of a sudden the lights were on.
Like, immediately.
I pulled over and he pulls over And I go, what did I do?
And he goes, seems like you got an aftermarket muffler in your car.
I go, hey man.
I go, how you doing?
And he goes, hey, what's up?
And I go, I don't have an aftermarket muffler.
I go, it's a dine-in.
This is the way it comes from the factory.
And he goes, well, it seemed pretty loud.
He goes, will you rev it for me?
I go, Okay.
So I give it a little voom, voom.
And he's like, yeah, that might be too loud.
You might want to get that checked.
I go, okay.
What do I do now?
And he's like, nothing.
You're all right.
I go, okay.
He goes, I'm not really trying to pull people over for this.
You know, we're looking for bad guys and drunk drivers.
I go, I understand.
It's okay.
And I'm like, all right.
That was a fame-privilege moment.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And a white-privilege moment.
I was driving away from that knowing, like, if I was just to...
A 25 year old kid, white, black, whatever.
I was probably getting a ticket for a loud muffler.
It wasn't even loud.
It was just a cop looking to fill.
He had like, you probably have like, this is controversial because some cops say it's not true.
And I've talked to cops to say it is true.
Like they have We're good to go.
Just, that was it.
There was no, I mean, I was, he was going left, I was going right, he did a U-turn, pulled me over.
It was instantaneous.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I got off on a warning recently.
The guy just lied to me.
He's like, I got you doing, what was it, 45 in a 35. We should point out that you drive a Corvette.
Yeah.
You probably were doing 45. Yeah, but I realized he didn't say 45. I knew I was doing 45 in a 35. He said I was doing like 49 or something like that, but I knew I wasn't.
Literally, this model Corvette has like three speedometers that you can't miss.
There's a giant digital one, there's one there, and then there's one on the other side that shows you another speed.
What?
joe rogan
You have more than one speedometer?
tony hinchcliffe
Almost positive there's three.
joe rogan
I think you have a tack, you fucking Luddite.
You don't even know what you have.
Oh my god.
tony hinchcliffe
What are you talking about?
unidentified
Who cares?
tony hinchcliffe
I got the engine.
joe rogan
No, it's a tachometer.
It shows you how many revolutions per minute your engine's going, you fucking dummy.
tony hinchcliffe
I know what an RPM is.
I don't call it a tack.
I'm not some cool car guy.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
It's standard.
This is what you have.
You have a speedometer and a tachometer.
They're right next to each other on every single car that's a performance car.
tony hinchcliffe
You know what there is?
There's a regular speedometer.
I'm almost positive of this.
There's a regular one.
joe rogan
And then a digital one.
tony hinchcliffe
And then the digital one tells you right in the middle with big numbers.
Right.
And then over the digital one, on top of the RPMs, there's also one that digitally shows you.
joe rogan
Two digital ones?
You don't know what the fuck your car does.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, there it is.
Wait.
Oh, yeah, there's two.
joe rogan
First of all, that one you're looking at is a fucking TAC. On the left?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, on the left is a speedometer.
That one in the middle is a tach.
That's a tachometer.
And in the tachometer, then it has miles per hour in the center of the tach.
So the tach will show you when you hit red line, if you're using your paddle shifters.
So most of the time, a Luddite like you, I'm sure you put it in drive like a fucking dork.
You don't even use those paddles, do you?
tony hinchcliffe
Who needs them?
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you!
tony hinchcliffe
You know what it's like if you press the pedal all the way down and drive?
joe rogan
It goes fast.
Yeah.
It's all you care about, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It's the best feeling in the world.
joe rogan
You don't need a clutch.
tony hinchcliffe
I don't need anything.
I don't need any of it.
joe rogan
You don't need to shift?
Have you shifted for yourself ever?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's fun.
joe rogan
As a grown man?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
joe rogan
When's the last time you did it?
tony hinchcliffe
In that car?
I don't know.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I mean a real shift.
Left foot, clutch, right hand.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I used to have one.
joe rogan
What'd you have?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, I used to own a Hyundai Elantra.
joe rogan
Oh, sporty.
tony hinchcliffe
Powerful.
That got me prepared for my Corvette.
But no, when I rent cars and stuff sometimes on the road, I'll get one.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
They don't rent you a stick shift.
tony hinchcliffe
Sure they do.
joe rogan
Who's renting you a stick shift?
tony hinchcliffe
There's a lot of janky cities out there, Joe.
joe rogan
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
What do you rent?
What's the last time you rented a stick shift?
tony hinchcliffe
I can't.
I don't.
I mean, it's all a blur.
joe rogan
Just keep making shit up.
Go ahead.
tony hinchcliffe
What do you mean?
You don't think rental cars have stick shifts?
joe rogan
They do, but you have to really ask for it.
Most of the time they drive automatics.
There's stickers that people put on cars that say anti-theft deterrent and it just shows a manual transmission.
Because most people just don't know how to drive a manual.
tony hinchcliffe
I liked it.
And if the car was manual, I would have done that.
It's fun.
It's fun to have stuff to do.
I like it.
joe rogan
That's really what it is.
It's fun to have stuff to do.
They're on their way out.
tony hinchcliffe
Manuals?
joe rogan
Yeah, unfortunately.
You know, they used to have manuals on motorcycles where it was an actual stick shift, the really old ones.
Yeah, Josh Serlin.
He's the owner of Black Bear brand.
They're a real cool clothing company.
They built me this really dope leather jacket, man.
It's really cool.
He makes really interesting handmade stuff, like clothing and shit.
And he's into craftsmanship and old stuff.
And he has a motorcycle.
I think it's like, if you go to his Instagram, Black Bear brand, he drives this really old motorcycle.
jamie vernon
He's crap at doing it.
joe rogan
There's Brad Pitt doing it.
I think they call it a suicide shifter because you have to reach down and imagine Brad Pitt, beautiful as he is, no helmet, just driving around.
See it in the upper right-hand corner?
That picture?
That's what it's like.
So you shift Like a clutch.
Like you press and shift it by hand.
Just go to BlackBearBrand on Instagram because he does it...
He's got videos of him driving through tunnels.
It looks so badass.
And he sat...
I talked to him about it and he was like, it's the most alive I ever feel.
He goes, the tank only lasts for like 20 miles.
Like it's this little ass tank and this engine just eats gas.
It's so inefficient because it's a really old bike.
But he just...
And shifting with one arm on the handlebar and shifting like this.
But there's something about...
There he is.
Look at this.
That's Josh.
So he's driving this thing and then when he shifts, see that thing over by his dick?
That's his shifter.
Look at that.
See, he has to reach down to shift gears.
Weird, right?
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
How could they make a motorcycle more dangerous?
joe rogan
First time I ever saw that was a drug dealer in Phoenix.
I met this drug dealer when we were at the Improv in Tempe.
tony hinchcliffe
Tempe Improv, yeah.
That sounds about right.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's like, hey man, you come hang out with us.
I was like, hmm, I don't know.
tony hinchcliffe
Cut to you holding on him on the back of his motorcycle.
Crazy shifter you got there!
joe rogan
I didn't.
I avoided him.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he just seemed like trouble.
He was a little too enthusiastic about hanging.
It was a little cocaine enthusiastic.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that Tempe improv is, uh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Tempe is a college town, and it's surrounded by that Scottsdale area, which is notoriously...
It's an upper town.
That's the place where I think Tyson got arrested there for coke.
It's a lot of coke.
I'm ignorant to coke.
I've never done it.
tony hinchcliffe
Me too.
Never, not once.
joe rogan
But I was with Red Band, who's done it a lot.
And Redman and I were in a club, and he goes, you know, everyone's on coke.
I go, what?
He goes, look around.
Everyone's talking real loud to each other, and they're all touching their nose.
And it was almost like I couldn't unsee it anymore.
I was like, oh my god.
He's like, dude, everyone's on coke here.
I go, whoa, really?
He goes, yeah, they're all on coke.
Makes sense, though.
That Scottsdale area, a lot of rich folk, a lot of people like to party.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
I like hanging out with those people because I don't get tired until 4, 5, 6am normally in old normal life.
Sometimes I'm completely oblivious to it and I don't realize that they're doing that and they don't want me to know that they're doing it so they keep it secret from me and everybody wins.
We're all having fun.
joe rogan
Have you ever had a desire to try it?
To see what the fuss is all about?
tony hinchcliffe
No, there's nothing really with anything that's an upper that excites me.
One time, I took a half of one of the pain pills that my dentist gave me when I had a wisdom tooth removed.
And I immediately...
Half.
And he told me to take two or something crazy.
He's like, take two of these if you feel any pain.
I took a half of one.
And I could see how people would love to do heroin and all of it.
I could immediately...
The warm, sweaty feeling of pure happiness went over me.
And I was smiling ear to ear, just so happy.
And so that's a scary one.
And that was done.
joe rogan
I remember one time I got a hold of the old school NyQuil.
This was like in the 90s.
I was sick and I got a hold of old school NyQuil and I took it and I was lying in bed and I was just like, I was like melting into my pillow.
unidentified
I was like, ah, it felt so good.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It felt so good.
Just drift away.
Just be comforted.
I felt like you were in the womb.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, everything's gonna be okay, Tony.
Everything's gonna be okay.
You're gonna get a big, warm hug by the world.
tony hinchcliffe
That's it.
That's exactly how I felt that day.
joe rogan
The argument for people that don't have anything going on in their life, like, why should I not do that?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Luckily, I had already started the adventure of doing stand-up and all that and had a reputation or whatever because I could totally, 100% see myself.
It made me feel so good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think a lot of people, if you don't have a good enough...
like a discipline a thing you're into that requires work that you really get joy out of if you don't have that and then you find the drug early before you've had the good feeling of accomplishment right that drug feeling could take you over and then it's really hard to like sacrifice it's really hard to do embrace discomfort when you're really into that codeine feeling yeah Just drift away.
All your worries go away, Tony.
That's the big problem with people with opioid addictions.
If you don't have something better than that, a lot of people are like, why should I abandon it?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
And it's a tough argument because what's your argument for that?
What do you say?
Hey, you should suffer in a factory.
You should work your way up to a mediocre existence of debt and struggle and hate your job every day and stay clean.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, that's rough.
joe rogan
What do you do?
What do you tell them?
That's the number one problem I think people have when they don't have a lot going for them and they also get into drugs.
Like, how do you fix that?
tony hinchcliffe
What do you think about mushrooms being legal now in Oregon?
joe rogan
Dude, steroids are illegal in Oregon.
tony hinchcliffe
Whoa.
joe rogan
Or legal, rather.
Everything's legal.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to go to Oregon, get fucking buff.
joe rogan
Just get jacked.
tony hinchcliffe
Trip my balls off.
joe rogan
Become like Dorian Yates.
Do acid.
tony hinchcliffe
Who's Dorian Yates?
joe rogan
How dare you?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, no.
joe rogan
How dare you?
Dorian Yates is one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.
You know who Lee Haney is?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
How about Ronnie Coleman?
tony hinchcliffe
Does he use a tack speedometer?
No, I know Ron Coleman.
Columbus, Ohio.
The Ohio State University.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Clearly.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ronnie Coleman?
Ohio?
Ronnie Coleman was...
You're thinking of Mark Coleman.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, I am thinking of Mark Coleman.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
That's a white guy.
Ronnie Coleman's like one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.
He was so big, he doesn't even seem real.
Look at Ronnie Coleman.
unidentified
Jesus, son.
tony hinchcliffe
Get out of here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He did the podcast recently.
Look how big he was, dude.
He was so big.
tony hinchcliffe
Now that guy I could picture throwing an ice pick in one of his biceps.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he wouldn't even notice it.
He's had every single disc in his back fused.
Except like one or two, I think.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
A bunch of back surgeries.
His back is all fucked up from just lifting immense amounts of weight and pushing himself.
To be that big and that strong, you have to have a crazy work ethic.
Look at his back.
Go to that upper right-hand corner picture.
Look at that.
What the fuck?
That's alien.
tony hinchcliffe
God.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
Look at his butt cheeks.
Jesus.
tony hinchcliffe
Goodness.
joe rogan
Jesus.
Yeah, so that's what you could look like if you moved to Oregon.
Start lifting.
There's Dorian.
Look at Dorian.
Dorian's also been on the podcast.
He's a normal-sized guy now.
But back then, when he was the champ, go to that one in the middle right there.
Bam.
Look at that.
Fucking come on, son.
Look at the size of him.
tony hinchcliffe
That's what I look like after lifting 25-pound kettlebells a few times in my head.
joe rogan
Look at the size of him.
He was, for his day, like, extraordinarily massive.
And that was like, he sort of was one of the group of the next level of bodybuilders that took mass to a new level.
And when he, you know, he talked about it on the podcast, he said he basically lived like a monk.
Like, all he did is eat and train.
Like, he was just obsessed with being the best.
tony hinchcliffe
Is it just a life of pain?
Tearing your muscles so that they build, grow back...
Bigger again and again and again?
joe rogan
That's a lot of it, but it was just the results.
He was addicted to standing on that stage going BAM! And everybody would be like, holy shit!
He wanted to just unveil.
People have a narrow-minded perspective of what art is.
And I think bodybuilding is an art.
But I think it's an art that only people who participate in it truly appreciate.
I think there's a lot of arts like that.
I think Poole's an art like that.
When I watch a guy, like I was saying, Efren Reyes, when I watch him play, you watch that guy play, you're like, wow.
The way he gets out, it's beautiful.
But only people who really understand Poole know how difficult the shots are or how he changed the angle with English.
And I think bodybuilding, when you see a guy like Dorian Yates or like Lee Haney or like Ronnie Coleman, when they get to that peak form when they're on that stage, like only a person who really knows how difficult it is to be that massive and that shredded and to be standing there with veins on your feet all the way like only a person who really knows how difficult it is to be that massive and that shredded and to be standing there with veins on your feet all the Massive, crazy dedication.
It's steroids and dehydration and there's so much involved in reaching that peak form when you get on stage.
Like they're really unhealthy when they get on stage.
Like that moment when they're shredded, they're super dehydrated.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, they cut all the water.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Yikes.
joe rogan
It's a big yikes.
It's a crazy way to live.
But for them, because they understand the dedication involved, people that are really into that, man, it's like a tight-knit community of people that are really into looking shredded and vascular and what it means to be that guy, you know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
To be Mr. Olympia.
tony hinchcliffe
As you can tell by my body, not really my thing.
joe rogan
Well, but your thing is killing.
Killing on stage.
Like, I was talking to...
Well, I've talked to a bunch of comics about this, but I think recently I was talking to Segura about it.
We're like, can you imagine living your whole life and never killing?
Never knowing what it's like to just...
To just crush.
Thank you, goodnight.
You know?
To lay down a Netflix special.
You know?
And have people watch it all around the country.
tony hinchcliffe
I can't go without it.
joe rogan
I know, it's hard.
tony hinchcliffe
Doing it tonight.
joe rogan
That weekend that we did in Houston, man.
tony hinchcliffe
So much fun.
joe rogan
That was the last time I did it.
That was July.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
joe rogan
August, September, October, November.
That was four months ago.
And that was only one weekend.
tony hinchcliffe
Imagine how much fun you'd have if you came out tonight.
joe rogan
Maybe I will.
Cheers.
unidentified
Maybe I will.
joe rogan
I'm a little fucked up.
tony hinchcliffe
It's gonna be fun.
joe rogan
You and me and Ron White.
Who else is on the show?
tony hinchcliffe
The young Tony Casillas.
joe rogan
You can't call him young Tony Casillas.
There's one young.
tony hinchcliffe
Huh?
joe rogan
Young Jamie.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh.
I don't know.
Is he still young Jamie after the coronavirus?
Didn't that put a little...
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Sick for a day, you son of a bitch.
That's why I beat it.
He beat it.
unidentified
That's why I beat it.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
He beat it because he's young Jamie.
People get mad because he's got gray hair now and I still call him young.
jamie vernon
That's because I have stopped dyeing it.
I've always had fucking gray hair.
joe rogan
When did you start having gray hair?
I was 12. You know, you can go to a hair salon out here.
jamie vernon
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
You should go to a black one and get cornrows.
Why don't you go?
Why don't you get cornrows?
jamie vernon
I've had it once.
joe rogan
Cornrows?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I need to see that picture.
jamie vernon
Do I have a picture of it?
joe rogan
I'll give you a raise if you get cornrows.
tony hinchcliffe
Ooh!
That high contact?
That glance he just gave you?
jamie vernon
Do it on the show or what?
joe rogan
Will you get in trouble if you wear cornrows?
Will that be cultural appropriation?
Have they let that go?
jamie vernon
Probably.
I would imagine so, yeah.
joe rogan
It's for white girls.
It's a real issue.
But for a guy, it might be a goof.
jamie vernon
It hurt.
joe rogan
Ooh, I would imagine.
jamie vernon
Very tight.
joe rogan
Uriah Faber got that when he fought.
Because Uriah, the California kid, he's got some long hair.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would get some cornrows.
tony hinchcliffe
You could do it during a show.
You could just have one of the cornrow people behind him doing it.
joe rogan
With the pig and the whole deal?
tony hinchcliffe
I think I did it before.
jamie vernon
It was when I was still in a band.
I had long hair back then.
joe rogan
I forgot you were in a band.
Do you have any recordings?
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
We're going to end this show with one of your songs.
jamie vernon
Absolutely not.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, we have to.
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
It's not good.
tony hinchcliffe
That's why it's good.
Come on, let me make fun of you.
joe rogan
Is it on YouTube?
jamie vernon
No.
There was no YouTube.
It was a long time ago.
joe rogan
I think it's on YouTube.
jamie vernon
No, it's not.
joe rogan
We should put it on YouTube.
We should put it on the JRE channel.
jamie vernon
Probably not.
joe rogan
Do you have it?
jamie vernon
You wouldn't even know I'm in the band, though.
I'm not singing.
joe rogan
What are you playing?
jamie vernon
I'm playing bass and guitar in the band, so there's a bunch of other people that probably wouldn't be big fans of that being out there, either.
joe rogan
Have you thought about bringing that back now that we're in the center of live entertainment?
This is the place.
unidentified
I have.
jamie vernon
I have.
joe rogan
Have you really?
You thought about coming back?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Really?
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
People last night were trying to book me a gig already.
I was like, calm down.
I was like, I haven't even barely put in my guitar.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
tony hinchcliffe
What was the name of your band?
jamie vernon
Eat Shit?
Yeah.
Pretty much.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Please welcome Eat Shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you so much.
We're Eat Shit.
Good night.
joe rogan
What kind of music?
jamie vernon
It was like heavy metal rock music, you know.
joe rogan
Dude, you were playing metal?
jamie vernon
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
I have an ear for music.
I turned you on to that fucking badass song by Aaron Jones.
joe rogan
Yes.
Dude, he's really good.
I've got into a bunch of his shit.
His people reached out.
jamie vernon
He's going to send us the album, he said, but it's not done yet.
joe rogan
He's very good.
He's very good and very unique.
jamie vernon
Seattle sound, I think, is what they're calling it.
joe rogan
How much good music came out of Seattle?
That is a crazy part of the world.
A lot of despair and rainy days.
tony hinchcliffe
That's it.
joe rogan
Yeah, motherfuckers go inside.
Like, how much good music comes out of Miami?
unidentified
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
And by the way, you know, Seattle has one more day of rain per year than Cleveland.
And Cleveland averages one more day of clouds than Seattle.
So they have an equal amount of shitty days.
joe rogan
A lot of great shit comes from Cleveland.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
That's where the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is.
joe rogan
Suzanne Santo from Honey Honey.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yep.
Honey Honey came out of...
A lot of people come out of Cleveland.
Those places that really suck, those people have a lot of pride.
It's weird.
People who live in places that are awesome, they don't give a fuck about those spots.
But people that fucking hang in there in Pittsburgh, we're gonna fucking hang in here!
Pittsburgh or death!
You know, there was a dude who came to my Cleveland show who had a t-shirt on that said, Cleveland or death.
And I put him on my Instagram.
I was like, that shirt needs to be seen.
That was what it said, right?
jamie vernon
That makes sense, I'm sure.
It's something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I picked death on that one.
Youngstown!
joe rogan
People from Youngstown dream of moving to Cleveland.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, no, I know, I'm kidding.
But, yeah, you know, being from those places is great, but getting out of there is better.
It only works if you get out.
joe rogan
Well, this is fucking winters, man.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what I'm talking with Joey Diaz about.
It's like, Joe Rogan, this fucking winter's gonna be a cold one.
I can feel it.
I go, there's always a place for you in Texas.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
He's dreading winter like a fucking Game of Thrones character right now.
joe rogan
We're playing games.
We're playing games.
I'm eventually gonna get him out here.
It's just gonna take some time.
tony hinchcliffe
I saw White Walker the other day, Joe.
They're coming.
joe rogan
Let me know when you open up that club.
Open up that club.
tony hinchcliffe
He'll be there day one.
joe rogan
The floodgates will open.
I'm gonna put out the bat signal.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I don't think the comedy store is going to open up and I don't think the clubs in New York are going to open up.
I think it's going to be a while.
But we have rapid testing here.
We do it at the studio.
I think if I hired...
This is my thought.
If we have a parking lot and in that parking lot you have a team of 10 nurses and you tell everybody to come an hour before the show.
The show's at 8, get here by 7, you get tested.
You just have a name.
Everybody wears a mask.
It's a quick nose swap.
It's not hard.
You do a quick test.
Everybody goes inside when you're clear.
And when you're not clear, they get you the fuck out of there.
But I bet most people would be clear.
And you'd maybe catch a few here or there that didn't know they'd have it.
If you have it, if you think you don't feel good, please don't come.
Or get tested at this resource and come on down.
And then...
You have people, they get tested, they go inside, and then they can have a drink and wait for the show to start.
Show starts at 8 or 8.30, give people plenty of time.
That's not unreasonable to ask for.
unidentified
Not at all.
tony hinchcliffe
People, before the doors open up at the store, people wait in line for longer than 15 minutes.
joe rogan
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
So if you could have 10 nurses, I mean, you've got your test today.
It literally takes five seconds to administer the test.
Well, 10 seconds, right?
It's 10 seconds of swabbing your nose.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they swab your nose.
They do the test.
It takes 15 minutes to get the results.
But you could do that if you have a name and a number, like number 79. That's me.
You're clear.
Alright, good.
You got your ticket.
Maybe you have a QR code or something like that.
They scan it at the door.
It's not hard to imagine that you could do a real show out here.
Like a real show.
Like 300 people packed.
Like in a place the size of the comedy store main room.
350, 400 people.
You could do that here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there's a disease doesn't mean there's not a workaround where everybody can still be safe and still be like we're doing right now.
Everyone in this room has been tested.
We're okay.
So then we can just sit across from each other and have fun and not even think about it.
That could be done in a comedy club.
It can be done.
And is it easy to do right now?
No.
It's a little complicated.
It's a little expensive.
But is it better than not doing it?
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you're a fan of comedy.
If you know that you can just get tested and then you can go perform in front of a real crowd, packed like the old days where everybody's clean, We were having so much fun.
We were having too much fun.
But this is the wake-up call.
It's a little reminder that you and I and Diaz and Ari and Duncan and so many others, we lived through the golden years of the Comedy Store.
It was the golden years.
And almost like poetically, it ended at the peak.
It was sold out every night.
unidentified
Yeah.
Every night.
joe rogan
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Multiple shows at night.
Main room, OR. I remember going in there on a Tuesday night.
There was two shows sold out in the main room.
The show in the OR was completely...
They were doing two shows in the OR. Remember that?
They started doing an early show and another late show because there were so many people.
You had to rotate the crowd.
Belly room was packed.
Packed!
Everything was packed!
tony hinchcliffe
Those were always two or three shows a night in the belly.
joe rogan
Yeah, and people were flying in from all around the world.
It was literally the golden age of comedy.
And then it ended.
And now tell me what you were telling me about LA, how fucked up they are.
They won't even let people...
You're doing a show with no audience in the main room streaming it to people in the parking lot and they won't let you do it.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
They gave the comedy store a ticket because we were streaming the show...
From inside to outside on television.
joe rogan
But you can also stream other things.
tony hinchcliffe
You can play the Lakers.
You can play UFC. You can show anything you want that's live.
You just can't show what's happening inside the building live outside to the parking lot.
So...
joe rogan
How does that make any sense?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
It doesn't.
It's ridiculous.
And by the way, the system's so messed up that one week it'll be one person, and the next week a different person says that that's okay, but this isn't allowed.
And...
Performing in a window is okay, but streaming it to screens isn't.
Or it changes continuously because there is no consistency and they don't know what to do.
And then at one point, it got approved by West Hollywood that they were allowed to do certain things.
joe rogan
Shows?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
In the parking lot?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
They sent out a newsletter?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
I was like, oh shit, they're going to do shows in the parking lot?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
And then the city of LA shut it down.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep, LA County.
It was like, nope, even though you're your own thing, West Hollywood, we're not allowing you to do that.
joe rogan
Do you think that's political?
tony hinchcliffe
It's all a mess, man.
joe rogan
How does that make sense if you can go eat at Boa and that's outside?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
How does that make sense?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And also when you factor in that people will be talking less than they would be, especially, you know, right around the corner is the Saddle Ranch, which is playing music.
And you have people at tables talking over the music to one another.
So if it's about protecting people from a disease and then you factor in that almost nobody talks during a comedy show other than the one person talking and that they're all facing one direction.
And clearly, if there were scientists, they'd be like, oh, it's much easier to spread it with the music and that that's totally legal than with that where almost nobody's talking.
joe rogan
And then the comedy store was also proposing a big shield, a plexiglass shield between the audience and the standout.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're still like, nope.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Because it's live entertainment.
And they think that if they do that, people are going to just start dancing or something, making out.
I don't know what's going on.
Doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
It's what I talked to Dave Smith about yesterday.
We're like, these governors and these mayors, they all suddenly have power, and it's very difficult to let that power grow.
It's not nice.
And they keep getting paid.
What should happen is, their income should be based entirely on the income of the city or the state.
So when the income of the city and the state is drastically reduced, the salary...
Of the governor and the salary of the mayor should be radically reduced as well.
tony hinchcliffe
It's brilliant.
joe rogan
And then you would see how quickly these motherfuckers would open things up.
unidentified
Yeah.
100%.
joe rogan
And on that note, fuck faces.
tony hinchcliffe
That's it.
joe rogan
That's it.
Where you at tonight?
Well, people will find out tomorrow.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
But I'm at Vulcan Gas Company tonight in Austin.
joe rogan
Is that you, Jamie?
tony hinchcliffe
And...
joe rogan
What is this?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Is this you?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Where are you at?
That you right there?
Play this shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Come on, play it.
joe rogan
We'll leave with this.
jamie vernon
That's not good.
tony hinchcliffe
Play it!
It's not bad.
joe rogan
Give me some volume.
tony hinchcliffe
Man, Eat Shit's pretty good.
jamie vernon
This is our last concert, I think.
joe rogan
Eat Shit, coming to 6th Street.
Okay, stop.
Turn it back on.
We're going to close out with this.
Chase your dreams, bitches.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm in Dallas this weekend, though, at Hyenas.
joe rogan
Hyenas, that's a good club.
tony hinchcliffe
Four shows.
Yeah, I go there all the time.
It's so much fun.
joe rogan
Keep that volume going.
Who are you working with?
tony hinchcliffe
Very good guitar player.
unidentified
Just me.
joe rogan
Just you?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you have an opening act?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I'm working.
Tony Casillas, again, is going to be there.
And, yeah, someone else.
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
Someone else.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Another incredible local talent.
joe rogan
Alright.
tony hinchcliffe
It's between two guys.
joe rogan
Well, that's it.
Dallas.
This weekend.
Come.
Get.
Some.
tony hinchcliffe
Watch Kill Tony.
joe rogan
Golden Pony.
You're moving here, right?
Yes!
tony hinchcliffe
Say yes!
Yeah, we just gotta get everything open here.
joe rogan
Tom Segura's moving here.
Red Bend already bought a house, you know that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, come on, bitch.
tony hinchcliffe
Crazy.
joe rogan
Come on, come on.
January.
January's when I'm opening up.
unidentified
I'm gonna wait.
joe rogan
I wanna wait until the new, once Biden gets in office, I wanna see what they do.
I'm worried about lockdowns.
I'm worried about nationwide mandates and weirdness for them.
I'm hoping that they recognize that there's a way to do things and open things up and also they recognize that people have to go to work.
You can't just keep everybody shut down.
A lot of waitresses and a lot of waiters and bartenders that got fucked over during this shit.
Let's bring them back.
tony hinchcliffe
100%.
joe rogan
Get everybody back to work.
Bring back some comedy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Texas.
Let's do it.
Tony!
tony hinchcliffe
I'm in.
joe rogan
Come on, Tony!
tony hinchcliffe
Okay, I'll do it.
I just decided.
joe rogan
Eat shit coming to 6th Street.
unidentified
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
We're gonna have to get some new band members.
tony hinchcliffe
Looks like they already have.
joe rogan
What's up with this monk machine?
jamie vernon
I mean, it's about a billiard hall.
They were doing the best they could.
joe rogan
A billiard hall?
You played pool and had music?
jamie vernon
They had it, yeah.
A lot going on.
We had two singers.
There's a lot happening.
joe rogan
That guy's screaming.
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
He's got one guy that sounds like Tool, the other guy that sounds like Megadeth.
jamie vernon
That was the goal.
joe rogan
That was the goal.
jamie vernon
You figured us out.
joe rogan
It's a fusion.
jamie vernon
Only you knew us back then.
joe rogan
Good night, everybody.
Good luck.
Godspeed.
Let's keep it together, bitches.
unidentified
Woo!
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