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Oct. 27, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1555 - Alex Jones & Tim Dillon
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alex jones
01:27:25
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joe rogan
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tim dillon
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jamie vernon
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unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Young Jamie, back in the fucking saddle How you feeling?
jamie vernon
Very well, thank you.
joe rogan
COVID-free, four days in a row now.
jamie vernon
I've kicked it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and now you still can't taste anything?
jamie vernon
Can't taste...
Well, it's starting to come back today, but yeah, like 5% taste.
Yeah, it's gotta be...
Pickle juice doesn't even taste like anything.
joe rogan
Really?
It just tastes like water?
jamie vernon
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Very weird.
joe rogan
But you don't have any residual symptoms?
Nothing wrong?
jamie vernon
All good.
I can breathe everything.
joe rogan
Good to see you back, buddy.
unidentified
Oh, two?
jamie vernon
Good.
joe rogan
We're a little worried about you.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
A little worried about you.
Not worried about you.
Alex Jones!
alex jones
This is the most anticipated thing I ever did.
I've probably had, no exaggeration, 2,000 or 3,000 people in the last year and a half ask me, when are you going back on Joe Rogan?
And I'm always saying, I don't know, I don't know.
And then I learned you were moving here like three, four months ago, and now we're here, and this is exciting.
I don't get butterflies anymore, but I actually have them here, and this is great.
It's good to have butterflies after about 20 years.
Didn't get it the last two times I was on.
Didn't get it when I interviewed Trump.
Didn't get it in a lot of things, but I've got butterflies here today.
joe rogan
Tim, motherfucking Tim.
tim dillon
Yeah, I'm just a kid in a candy store.
Me too.
Thank you for making this dream come true.
This is what I've always wanted to do, and we've made it happen.
This is my make-a-wish.
I can die happy.
joe rogan
Well, I'm happy you're here.
tim dillon
Yeah, I got my free Ghislaine shirt because I believe all women.
joe rogan
Is that how you say it?
tim dillon
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
I thought it was Ghislaine.
I thought it was Ghislaine.
tim dillon
It might be Ghislaine.
alex jones
It's Ghislaine.
joe rogan
Do you know?
unidentified
Don't look at me.
alex jones
Ghislaine?
joe rogan
Ghislaine?
That's a ridiculous name.
alex jones
Yeah.
Her father was a famous MI6 massage spy that reportedly used sex operatives to control people.
He died being thrown off a yacht in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
And, of course, she got caught in that farmhouse on the East Coast.
And she was really the pimp over Epstein and a giant sex network ring over scientists that they were compromising so they could control not just government but industry and science.
And so that was the master blackmail operation they were running.
tim dillon
And her sisters are big in tech.
Like Isabel Maxwell, she has sisters that are in U.S. tech companies.
I think two of her sisters...
We're part of the creation of Magellan, which was that big search engine.
Really?
So yeah, they are a very powerful family, and they have all kinds of different operations.
alex jones
Her dad was the biggest publisher in England, and also the biggest owner of private TV stations in England.
And when he died, it turned out he was a front, basically, for intelligence networks.
joe rogan
Now let me, right off the bat, say you were telling me about Epstein and this island years ago.
You were telling me long before anybody...
I think you told me about him before his first arrest.
alex jones
A long time ago, I talked about how they have these islands.
They fly.
They compromise children.
But I learned all this from Ted Gunderson 20-plus years ago.
He was in line to be the FBI director.
He was the head of the FBI in Los Angeles.
He was a very famous FBI agent.
He even ran Cointelpro.
It's a civil rights movement.
He apologized for that before he died in 2011. But...
He came out, and he was the one that explained to me about how they used these blackmail rings, elements of the CIA, and foreign intelligence groups, and how they would basically make people have sex with children to be part of these clubs and these cults they were setting up.
So I knew about all this from Ted Gunderson.
joe rogan
Were they young girls that...
Did they tell them these girls were underage, or did they look like they were older?
Like the Borat movie, where they supposedly got...
If you haven't seen it, it's very disappointing.
alex jones
They set him up.
I saw it, yeah.
joe rogan
They did set him up, but nothing happened.
They made it look like Giuliani was jerking off in front of this girl.
alex jones
He was taking his mic off.
joe rogan
He would have to be the biggest savage on earth to jerk off in that situation.
And they also said that he inappropriately touched her back.
When he touched her back, I am not exaggerating, it was like this.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It was a couple of light taps on the back.
While she was close to him taking off his mic thing, he goes, thank you very much, dear.
And he goes, yes, I just need your name and your phone number.
And then she takes off his mic, and then he leans back, and he's tucking his shirt back.
alex jones
Because he just pulled the mic out.
joe rogan
Right, but he's lying on the bed to do it.
Now, if you're an old man, and I'm sure he's probably got a bad back, that's probably how you would do it.
alex jones
But any of us that have had to put the mics on our side, and then you put it in your pants, up your shirt, and then you've got to get it out.
That's what you do, but it's worse than that.
Remember when he was playing the...
Who was the gay character he played like 10 years ago?
unidentified
Bruno.
alex jones
Bruno.
Yeah.
Remember Congressman Ron Paul at the time had run for president.
And he's in the hotel.
He goes, oh, the light broke.
Please step into this room.
So there's no chair.
Ron Paul sits down.
He's reading the newspaper.
And Bruno comes in and pulls his pants down and says, I want to have sex with you.
Now, that would be sexual assault if that was a man to a woman.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
Ron Paul pushes him out of the way.
He goes out of the room.
And so this is what he does.
He's done this to other people.
It's his specialty is to say you're being interviewed.
joe rogan
Yeah, here it is.
Listen, let me just, before we go any further, I fucking love Sasha Baron Cohen.
tim dillon
He's a comic genius.
joe rogan
I think he's brilliant.
I think he's amazing.
But his interpretation of what happened in the room with Rudy Giuliani, it's not accurate, in my opinion.
tim dillon
Well, listen, I mean, in Who is America?
joe rogan
He's tapping her while she's...
Touching him and removing his mic, he does this little tap on her waist.
But it's not creepy.
It's like an old man, like a little tap, tap, tap.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Like, if you want to take it out of context, like, I don't know if there's more to it than what we're seeing.
unidentified
But let's go further.
alex jones
Let's go further.
Right after this happens, Borat, Sausbert Cohen, runs in in panties and a bra saying, have sex with me, he's 15, she's too old.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
So this is, and Giuliani's like, what the, I'd have a heartache?
Like, what is this?
joe rogan
Listen, my fucking 12-year-old sense of humor loved it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the thing about it is, they're making it seem like Giuliani was jerking off in front of her.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's not, like, he lies back and he's tucking his pants.
Like, can we show the whole thing so we can look at it?
We don't have to.
alex jones
They put it on as promotional material.
joe rogan
What's that, Jamie?
jamie vernon
We can watch it in here, but I'll be, I'll be.
joe rogan
Well, that's just us.
alex jones
I mean, I think Jamie's right.
Because you're a big show, they'll try to tag you.
But they put this out as promotional material to be promoted.
They put it out on Twitter.
joe rogan
The clip is on Ms. Pat's.
Give a shout-out to Ms. Pat.
alex jones
I mean, Jamie's technically right, though.
joe rogan
On Instagram.
It's on her Instagram.
alex jones
But let me drop a bombshell on you, Joe.
joe rogan
A bombshell?
alex jones
No, no.
I've been a big fan of Sacha Baron Cohen until I learned he spoke at the ADL last year and called for my arrest.
For free speech.
And he called for Jeff Zuckerberg's arrest.
Or Mark Zuckerberg's arrest.
So he called for my arrest and for Mark Zuckerberg's arrest for free speech.
joe rogan
Hey, he wants to work in Hollywood.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You got to do what you got to do.
alex jones
No, but let's go further.
No, I agree.
But I mean, he said arrest people for their free speech.
And he supports Internet censorship.
So how does he make his money being this avant-garde, cutting-edge, really over-the-edge, Comic that does things that can technically be seen as illegal.
I support his free speech, and then he says, I don't deserve it.
It's really dangerous.
joe rogan
He's flawed, like many great artists.
Until they come for him, he's not going to understand this slippery slope of censorship.
This is another thing that people have...
for being friends with you and for talking to you.
And they also criticized me for not supporting a lot of these people that got banned and de-platformed.
My take on it has always been the best way to counter wrong speech is correct speech.
When someone says something that's wrong, if someone says a conspiracy theory that's not accurate, the best way to counter that is to do better speech, to have people say the accurate information and to let the truth rise to the top.
When you start censoring people, the problem is it's a fucking slippery slope.
And there's a reason why we've been so steadfast in supporting the First Amendment in this country.
And people think it doesn't apply to tech because these tech institutes are private businesses and they should be able to do whatever they want with their private business.
The problem is that fucking slippery slope has gone from censoring you from banning Alex Jones off Twitter a year and a half ago to getting the White House press secretary banned off Twitter because she posts something from the New York Post, which is crazy!
tim dillon
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That's a 200 and whatever year old newspaper.
alex jones
America's oldest newspaper.
joe rogan
And what she said, the post, what they printed and put out there is accurate.
alex jones
Let's go further.
Let's go further.
They're denying that That it's a real story, but they don't ever say the emails are fake.
They just say it's a smear.
No, it's a real laptop.
The videos have been released.
It's confirmed.
But just think about this.
joe rogan
It is a smear in that they're putting it out there.
They're timing it.
alex jones
Sure, but they're not denying it's real.
joe rogan
No, it's real.
It's real.
tim dillon
How did this laptop become this big story?
joe rogan
That's where it gets tricky.
tim dillon
Yeah, I'm curious.
joe rogan
Because...
Supposedly, he dropped it off at a laptop repair shop in Delaware.
alex jones
What an idiot.
tim dillon
I mean, who's doing that?
joe rogan
Well, Crackhead.
tim dillon
Right, right.
Good point.
joe rogan
The guy's smoking crack.
tim dillon
I keep forgetting he smokes crack.
joe rogan
Well, he did at the time.
Apparently, he's kicked it.
So congratulations to him.
But the guy had some problems.
This is self-admitted.
alex jones
And they have the receipts.
And here's the thing.
He calls him dozens of times.
Everybody knows when you bring a laptop or anything in, they say, if you don't pay for this, we're going to wipe it and sell it.
And so three months goes by, six months goes by, nobody ever comes and gets it.
The guy goes to look at it at the repair shop, the owner, and there's all these 25,000 files, what looks like underage girls, and all the rest of this crazy stuff, and him smoking crack, or God knows what.
He gives it to the FBI. Ray does nothing, the director, hides it from Trump.
And so people, let's just say inside that had copies of that, We're good to go.
His daughter, Biden's daughters, purportedly, reportedly, and they've not denied it now, this broke three days ago, left her diary in a house that she had rented.
And the diary talks about all the same stuff and everything.
unidentified
What the fuck is wrong with this family?
jamie vernon
When I was looking into this, the thing I keep seeing people say is that he lived in California.
joe rogan
He lived in California at the time.
jamie vernon
That is true?
joe rogan
That's what I keep reading.
alex jones
But they fly back and forth to Delaware.
These are jet setters.
They fly to Ukraine.
joe rogan
Well, that also might make sense.
That's why he didn't go back to Delaware to pick up the laptop.
Because when you're cracked out in California, it's really hard to make the flight.
jamie vernon
All right.
joe rogan
Right?
tim dillon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Tim is the only one here who's probably smoked crack.
alex jones
Guys, the FBI confirms they have a laptop now.
tim dillon
I will confirm it's not an easy flight coming down off cocaine or crack.
joe rogan
Have you smoked crack or just coke?
tim dillon
I've never had free-based cocaine, which is close.
joe rogan
How close is it?
tim dillon
Not as close as where I ever went and made shady deals in the Ukraine.
Well, that's the other thing.
alex jones
By the way, that's in the emails, finally, where it's like, yeah, 30 million, part of it goes to the big guy.
They're like, okay, we want to meet with your dad.
And there's photos of them meeting and playing golf.
So let me tell you, this is real.
The FBI has the files.
They admit it's real.
It's a big deal.
joe rogan
But it's a real problem to ban this stuff from Twitter.
Putin rejects Donald Trump's criticism of Biden's family business.
Well, because it's Russia's bribing Hunter Biden.
alex jones
3.5 million through Putin, through the Moscow mayor who he's friends with, to Hunter Biden again.
joe rogan
Well, if I was Putin, I would deny it too.
Listen, Putin has got to love this.
If I was Putin sitting back, watching these fucking people eat themselves alive and destroy the First Amendment, destroy democracy...
And I'm sure they have a hand in it.
I'm sure China has a hand in it.
I'm sure Iran has a hand in it.
This is what the intelligence communities have been telling us for a long time now, is that it's not just one foreign company or foreign country that's trying to...
Fuck with our democracy.
alex jones
It's multiple.
Yeah, the idea that the Russians have a monopoly on this...
No.
I mean, if the Russians were an NFL football team, they'd be like the lower third.
I mean, the U.S. and China are the top teams.
joe rogan
And we should say the United States does it, too.
alex jones
Sure.
joe rogan
It's 100% confirmed.
alex jones
Sure, the idea that Russians got Trump in is asinine, because here's what happens.
Notice they tried to impeach Trump just nine months ago for stuff in Ukraine, because whatever they are worried about, they project.
So Trump doesn't have Russia connections.
Trump doesn't have those connections.
Trump doesn't have those outside connections.
You can't buy him.
He doesn't have lobbyists.
The problem is, he then has family and people around him that basically become lobbyists for themselves, and Trump isn't really even aware of it.
And then that's going on.
I mean, even junior aides now, you'll find out, have people given them millions of dollars just to say something to the president.
joe rogan
Is this standard shit?
Is this just how politics have always been done?
It's just that now we're seeing it?
alex jones
Well, it was standard, let's say, 200 years ago that you'd go out for the wife or the brother or somebody that works at the White House.
It got organized the last 100 years with lobbyists.
Trump literally cut the lobbyists off.
But all it did was now make everyone around him a lobbyist, even though they're not officially a lobbyist.
joe rogan
How did he cut the lobbyists off?
alex jones
He just stopped meeting with them and just said, I want briefings on what's going on.
I'll decide.
So that's why he pissed official Washington off.
Not that he's even perfect, but that he actually became the president for making decisions himself instead of having consortiums and lobbyists pay him for policy.
That's why he says, Biden's raised more money than me.
Of course, I can call up all these companies.
They'll give me any money I want, but I've got to do what they say.
joe rogan
But it would put him in a compromised position.
alex jones
Yes, but I'm being honest about it.
The vacuum and the blind spot...
Is that then, everyone around him in his cabinet and everyone that works there, even down to mid-level people, are now getting multi-million dollar contracts for companies like AT&T and stuff, just to even mention something to the president.
joe rogan
Now, hold up, before you go any further, you said AT&T. Has it been proven that it's AT&T, or are you just saying AT&T-like companies, like large companies?
alex jones
Let's just say, I'm not saying AT&T's bad.
I think AT&T's overall a good company.
joe rogan
But is AT&T doing something bad?
alex jones
No, I was mentioning that as a Fortune 500 company.
joe rogan
Okay, but it's not AT&T. No, it's not AT&T. So we shouldn't say that.
See, this is why you need someone that's like a fact checker right next to you.
alex jones
No, the media will say I'm wrong about that, but okay.
No, no, hold on.
It's personal lawyer.
His personal lawyer, the one that ended up going to jail, actually...
joe rogan
Michael Cohen.
alex jones
Michael Cohen was getting money from AT&T. Go ahead and pull it up.
I mean, I was just trying to give you a gestalt quick analysis.
joe rogan
But I just want to...
I've told you before, what you really need on your show is like a legit journalist who's right next to you with a laptop going, Alex, hold on, hold on, just slow down.
tim dillon
But I think you're right about that because...
joe rogan
But you get so much right, but when you get something wrong, that's what people...
alex jones
But what you've got to understand is...
joe rogan
AT&T confirms it paid Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's company.
Yeah.
tim dillon
No, I remember that.
alex jones
See, Joe, they're always saying that I'm making stuff up.
They're lying.
joe rogan
Right, right.
alex jones
Now, every once in a while, my memory that used to be photographic, but from everything I've done, it's not as good as it used to be.
It moves really quick, okay?
So, when I'm saying stuff, it's just data knowledge, okay?
And then I can like, okay, yeah, did I say that?
Yeah, it's real.
Check it out.
But I'm not trying to make stuff up.
99% of the time.
joe rogan
Here it is.
AT&T confirmed Tuesday evening that paid President Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, in 2017 for, in quotes, insights into understanding the new administration.
alex jones
Insights.
joe rogan
I love that.
So how much did they pay him?
$200,000 and four separate payments of $50 in late 2017 and early 2018. Interesting.
alex jones
Yeah, but he got paid, I think the number was $10 million total from a handful of companies.
But look how they did it.
joe rogan
They did it shady.
Look, Avenatti alleged that Essential Consultants, a shell company set up by Cohen before the election to pay Stormy Daniels, was paid by several corporations, including AT&T. At the time, AT&T was seeking government approval for its acquisition of Time Warner, CNN's parent company.
alex jones
It's a merger.
joe rogan
It's a dirty world!
alex jones
Yeah, but I'm telling you, AT&T is a sweetheart compared to Google.
And Facebook and Twitter and all these people.
So I wasn't attacking them.
I was giving an example of how everyone in his entourage becomes a lobbyist because he thinks, I'll just cut lobbyists off.
He's not taking any money.
But then everyone around him becomes a lobbyist.
That's what I'm saying.
tim dillon
Do you worry about the influence that people like Jared Kushner have?
Because I know a lot of biggest – his supporters, like Ann Coulter, who's Trump's biggest supporter, goes, I don't love the idea that he hired his children and that they have a lot of connections.
alex jones
I can tell you this.
I can tell you this.
People were really pissed who were patriots of the intelligence community and other areas, but also enemies of Trump that Kushner had so much influence.
But now Kushner's gotten a lot of respect because he's actually gotten a lot of huge peace deals done that nobody else could do for 50 years.
joe rogan
That's interesting how little press those peace deals have gotten.
Yeah, they're getting none.
tim dillon
No press.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really concerning.
alex jones
So now, I mean, they were pissed like, who's this kid?
And now everything he touches turns to gold?
joe rogan
But he looks like the omen.
We've covered this multiple times.
tim dillon
He looks like a little devilish.
alex jones
And he paid twice what it was worth for like 666 Park Avenue.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
That's not good.
alex jones
That's not great.
joe rogan
That's not great.
Why would he want that?
alex jones
I think it was more than twice.
Look up 666, is it Park Avenue?
tim dillon
Listen, maybe he's a Satanist.
He's getting good deals done in the Middle East.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's getting good deals.
alex jones
They say the Antichrist gets good deals in the Middle East.
tim dillon
If you're going to be a Luciferian, at least make peace in the Mideast.
How about that?
Maybe Satan's the only one that can do that.
joe rogan
AT&T is a really good cell phone company.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hey.
It's the way it works.
alex jones
When I mention AT&T, it's an example that popped in my head of unofficial lobbying.
joe rogan
Well, I was happy that we called you on it because then we found out it's correct.
Yeah.
Correct about a lot of shit.
This is my point from jump.
I found out about agent provocateurs from you, from your 9-11 Road to Tyranny video, where they used them at the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle in the late 90s.
Like, I had no idea that it was a common practice to send in masked people to start smashing things during peaceful protests so then they could go in.
alex jones
By the way, I can give you the straight dope on Antifa if you want to do that.
Go ahead.
joe rogan
Okay.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
666 Park Avenue Project had been a black hole of cash for years until a sovereign wealth fund made a substantial investment for the property after Kushner was already serving as Trump's top advisor in the White House.
Wow.
Okay.
tim dillon
Might be a nice building.
joe rogan
What does it say?
The Kushner Company?
Is that what his company's called?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
His dad went to prison.
The Kushner Company's 666 Park Avenue Project.
That's hilarious.
I think that's beautiful.
tim dillon
His dad went to prison for, I believe, setting up his brother with a prostitute or something.
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
What?
tim dillon
Yeah, they're a fun family, the Kushners.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
The dad set up the brother?
tim dillon
With a prostitute, with a cold girl, and take them to try to get trapped.
joe rogan
We are, step by step, we're going to fact check every one of those.
alex jones
No, no, this is well known.
tim dillon
This is well known.
joe rogan
I understand, but we need to have this for the- People like me and Alex don't just spout off.
tim dillon
We have the facts.
joe rogan
I know you have the facts, but I want to make sure.
Here, Chris Christie, Jared Kushner's father, committed one of the most loathsome, disgusting crimes I prosecuted.
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
We fact check all of this.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
Make that bigger for my old eyes.
Look at this.
What does it say?
According to the excerpts in the book, Republished by Axios and the Guardian, Christie claims the younger Kushner was behind his departure from Trump's inner circle after a 2016 election.
Writing that, he was still apparently seething over the events that had occurred a decade ago.
What is the events of a decade ago?
alex jones
They over-prosecuted his dad.
He should have gotten probation for trying to set up his brother with a hooker.
Said he got a bunch of time.
joe rogan
Imagine your dad setting you up with a hooker.
tim dillon
It's crazy.
alex jones
They're trying to set the other family member up.
joe rogan
Here's what...
If my father is guilty, I would.
Mr. Kutcher pled guilty.
He admitted the crimes, Christie said.
And so what am I supposed to do as a prosecutor?
I mean, if a guy hires a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law.
Oh, it's his brother-in-law.
alex jones
That's what he said.
joe rogan
His brother-in-law.
tim dillon
His brother-in-law.
joe rogan
Okay.
I got confused.
And then videotapes it and then sends the videotape to his sister to attempt to intimidate her from testifying before a grand jury.
Do I really need any more justification than that?
alex jones
Holy shit, what am I saying?
But it wasn't to intimidate.
That's his interpretation.
That stuff goes on in divorces all the time.
People go videotape the other person cheating.
That's why it was wrong he went to prison, because he wasn't doing it.
He was doing that to show that the person testifying was wrong.
Of course you're trying to influence testimony with the truth.
It's this idea that, yes, they're cheating.
I told you they were.
Here's the proof.
How does that become fraud?
joe rogan
Okay, I'm confused.
So he set up his brother-in-law with a prostitute...
alex jones
To show that this had been going on before, which he'd already alleged.
joe rogan
Okay, as part of the plot, Kushner hired a prostitute to lure Shoulder into having sex in a Bridgewater, New Jersey motel room.
First of all, if you find yourself in a Bridgewater, New Jersey motel room...
tim dillon
You're fucked.
joe rogan
Run.
As the hidden camera rolls, a tape of the encounter was then sent to Kushner's sister and Shoulder's wife.
alex jones
Look, I know the whole story.
tim dillon
Just trust us.
I just made a comment that...
You start thinking about, like, who's running these stories, and then Hunter Biden's running around with, you know, underage people on the laptop.
You start going, why does everyone work for a Ukrainian gas company?
Like, who are these people running the country?
alex jones
Yeah, the West controlled Ukraine, so they just use that as the money laundering op.
It's not the Ukrainians running us.
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Right.
alex jones
They use it as that.
But let's expand on this, Joe.
What I'm getting at here is, I didn't bring up AT&T. They're a good company overall.
They're not the ones censoring and stuff.
Okay?
It's the big tech.
The reason I raised that was just the one that popped in my head, the first one.
It's massive what's going on.
I was just being honest that Trump's tried to...
joe rogan
Well, it's only a couple hundred grand.
I mean, as much as that sounds like a lot of money...
tim dillon
Yeah, but the bigger ones, like he's talking about...
alex jones
Communist China.
tim dillon
Amazon.
alex jones
Communist China's even bigger.
It's bigger than big tech.
It literally spends hundreds of billions of dollars buying us off.
It owns Hollywood.
It owns a lot of the big telecoms.
It owns the majority of our debt.
And I've got articles in the LA Times and New York Times I brought for you where they say Xi Jinping must destroy Trump...
To save America, he was our leader.
And then at the Davos Group, he said three years ago, I will destroy Trump.
I will work with Hollywood.
I've got all his quotes right here.
And Xi Jinping said, I want to overthrow American democracy.
I want to repudiate it.
I want to discredit it.
And Xi Jinping admits he admires Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.
joe rogan
Okay, but isn't he doing that?
That seems crazy.
alex jones
You can pull it up!
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
I'll show you.
joe rogan
Step by step here.
Isn't he doing that because of Trump's trade deals?
Like, the trade deals that Trump wants to do with China are not nearly...
alex jones
Well, they're not one-sided for him.
I mean, here's what happened.
Special interest in the U.S. went in and opened up China...
You know, in the 70s when most of them didn't have running water or electricity.
They're hardworking, smart folks.
But by one-sided trade deals where we have higher tariffs on them and they on us and all the rest of it or vice versa, through those deals, they use the slave labor of China to then take over manufacturing worldwide.
And so China's a client state of the globalist.
And so now...
The Washington Post, the LA Times, the New York Times, I brought you the articles here.
Dreams of Red Emperor, The Relentless Rise of Xi Jinping.
And it says in these articles, he must destroy American Western Christian values.
We love him and we accept China as our master.
I have the goddamn articles.
This is treason.
Dude, right here.
Washington Post.
joe rogan
But who's saying that quote?
Who's that quote?
alex jones
Here, I'll give them to you.
This is the Washington Post, and there's a huge article, LA Times.
joe rogan
I understand, but the quote that you just said about he must destroy Trump.
alex jones
Just like I said, AT&T gave money to unofficially lobbying, and you pulled it up.
I read the article.
I'm not giving you an exact...
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying, but what I'm asking you is who you quoted someone, but who did you quote when you said that?
alex jones
I'm quoting, from when I read these again this morning before I came here, what I remember, David Don...
Dury, Durley.
joe rogan
Oh, that guy.
alex jones
And this Chinese lady that works for the...
tim dillon
I think he's talking about the prevailing sentiment of what they feel they must do.
joe rogan
I understand, but when you quote somebody, it's best...
alex jones
No, no, no.
I mean, I just said in these articles...
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
Well, look at the headline.
Xi's Choice, Destroy Trump or Save Him from Weak in America.
I mean...
Xi needs to destroy Trump?
The Chinese dictator needs to destroy our president?
joe rogan
So do you think that they're doing that because Trump wants to change the trade deals with China?
alex jones
You know what Trump said?
Trump didn't start a trade war.
He ended our surrender.
We have been surrendered for 40 years.
With China, where they don't take our goods, but we take all of theirs.
And they manipulate their currency, but we haven't manipulated ours.
Where we have carbon taxes that Obama put in to shut down over half our coal plants that are clean.
And our electricity prices went up where you could not run a factory here competitively against China.
So when Joe Biden says, we're going to cut off all the fossil fuels, not just fracking.
If you did that, we wouldn't just go bankrupt.
We'd starve to death.
75% of our power comes from fossil fuels.
joe rogan
I understand.
Step by step.
alex jones
Okay.
joe rogan
Are coal plants really clean?
alex jones
100% clean.
joe rogan
How is that possible?
alex jones
I'll tell you.
Please.
There's two different types of major power plants.
joe rogan
When he says clean coal, I roll my eyes every time.
When Trump's like, clean coal, clean.
alex jones
Well, that's because the engine is so damn good.
joe rogan
Is it?
alex jones
I'll tell you.
joe rogan
Please.
alex jones
They had old-fashioned coal plants.
China doesn't have one scrubber or filter on their coal power plants.
And China doesn't have clean burning coal.
There's one place in the United States that has major deposits of coal that is such pure carbon.
You don't even need scrubbers.
Nothing comes out but carbon dioxide and water.
Well, they know we know water's not bad, so they list carbon dioxide.
People think it's monoxide.
Just like in studies, if you say the scientific name of water, most people in Penn& Teller skits on the street will say ban dihydrogen monoxide.
If you go out on the street, Joe Rogan, and ask 100 austenites, dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere.
If you get too much of it, you can die, ground.
And most people will say, I want to ban dihydrogen monoxide.
That's the scientific name of water.
Same thing if you do the sign of it named Assault.
Sounds scary.
Well, so...
Hydrogen monoxide is the bad one.
Hydrogen dioxide is a good one.
That's the life cycle.
On Earth, there's light, there's water, there's oxygen, and there's carbon dioxide.
Those are the four things you've got to have for life.
And so they've gotten people convinced to say coal is dirty.
It puts out carbon dioxide and water vapor.
And so until about the 70s, we were still burning dirty coal full of mercury, all of it.
They found huge deposits of clean burning coal.
Out west.
Enough in Utah to run the whole world for over a thousand years.
joe rogan
Well, what's the difference between the coal?
alex jones
Well, let me tell you.
One coal is so damn pure, and it's only in the United States in major deposits, that basically you don't even need to put scrubbers on it.
But our scientists in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, because they realize that dirty coal has mercury in it, has all these horrible toxins, they put scrubbers on it.
That's why when you drive by a coal plant, it's this big, huge buildings and wires and hoses and big, huge steel.
It looks like an alien spaceship.
That's because it's called distillates.
They know how to burn it And then take off all the chemicals, all the toxins and make plastics and make chemicals and make pesticides and make everything else that comes out of that.
And then out of the stack comes nothing but water.
They have sensors on it.
Nothing but water and carbon dioxide.
Totally clean, totally pure.
So that's what's going on.
joe rogan
So carbon monoxide is what everybody's worried about.
Carbon dioxide increasing in the environment has no negative effects?
alex jones
Let's talk about it.
They've done ice core samples all over the Antarctic and the Arctic.
They've done mud core samples all over the world, but mainly in Siberia and Wales for some reason.
joe rogan
Jamie, I hope you're Googling.
jamie vernon
I haven't got some decent stuff to pull up, but he's better right now.
alex jones
So what happens is They can go back 20,000, 100,000, 200,000 years at least in the ice, and they know that they've also done spectrometers into stone.
They can scan it until it was there.
Carbon dioxide was over 500 times stronger in the time of the T-Rex.
Okay, in the Jurassic Age.
That's why plants grew so fast.
Things were so big.
There was a higher oxygen level.
Just like Mars lost its atmosphere.
It used to have an ocean they've now gone and proven.
It lost its atmosphere.
It's a smaller planet, couldn't hold it.
The truth is the Earth's losing its atmosphere.
So what's crazy is we come right along at this time, pump up all of this juice and all this carbon that was produced on the surface with plants and animals that ran down in cracks into the Earth.
We're now pumping out all that carbon saved from millions of years ago and actually terraforming the planet, putting more carbon dioxide in that we actually need right at this time.
Like, aliens figure this out or something.
joe rogan
But hold, hold, please.
Isn't carbon dioxide responsible for an increase in the temperature of the Earth?
alex jones
But they said that we would have a seven increase.
They said that by 2013, LA would be flooded and New York would be flooded.
All that's lies.
joe rogan
Okay, but let's forget about what they said in the past.
What they're saying now is that carbon dioxide increase is responsible for an increase.
In the temperature of the Earth.
alex jones
Which we hope it does.
joe rogan
We hope it increases the temperature of the Earth.
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We're set.
alex jones
The last ice age.
joe rogan
But hold on.
The increase in the temperature of the Earth is responsible for the increase in hurricanes, the frequency and the power of the hurricanes.
alex jones
If you look up the spectrum in the last hundred years, hurricanes have gotten weaker.
That's all media hype.
But let me just tell you.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
alex jones
Joe, Joe, Joe, I swear to God.
I swear to God I can prove all this to you.
This is so huge for your audience.
joe rogan
Are you a carbon dioxide salesman?
alex jones
Listen, well, they always say I'm getting money from oil companies.
I'm not.
But can I please tell you what's going on?
joe rogan
Yes, please do.
alex jones
You are a carbon-based life form.
Let me show you what I came here with in my notes.
I have right here in my notes the carbon conspiracy.
And that is specifically what I wanted to get into here with you in my notes because this is everything.
joe rogan
Are you a climate change denier?
alex jones
Well, see, imagine.
Imagine how that's how they use that term.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
Are you a climate change denier?
It's like a 9-11 denier.
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Right.
alex jones
No, the towers got blown up.
Our government had prior warning and had been funding Al-Qaeda and all that came out later in Senate reports.
And the 28 pages.
joe rogan
Let's not go there just now, because we're going to go down a rabbit hole.
tim dillon
That's true, but let's go to carbon.
I agree with you there.
alex jones
Okay, what is Joe Rogan made up out of?
joe rogan
Carbon.
Carbon-based life form.
We are literally stardust.
It's a song, right?
alex jones
Exactly.
What are trees made out of?
joe rogan
Tree stuff?
alex jones
Carbon.
Carbon.
joe rogan
Yeah, carbon-based life forms.
The whole planet.
alex jones
And so this is the carbon cycle.
This is in the mainline textbooks.
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
So just like they come out in assault reality now and say a little boy is biologically a girl.
I don't care if he grows up and wants to say he's a girl.
joe rogan
Again, rabbit hole.
Let's not go down these rabbit holes.
alex jones
But I'm saying it's not science.
They go, the science is settled.
There's not two genders.
joe rogan
B fucking S. Okay, hold on.
Let's not go down that road.
Do you want to go to that road in the future?
alex jones
We will.
joe rogan
Right now, I want you to talk about carbon.
alex jones
I know.
joe rogan
I don't want to get off track here because isn't there a delicate balance with the temperature on Earth and the rising sea levels and the melting of the ice caps?
This has all been established by a lot of very concerned environmentalists.
But very concerned environmentalists have said that an increase in the temperature of the Earth could be disastrous for human civilization.
alex jones
It's a power grab.
joe rogan
Are you sure it's a power grab?
alex jones
Absolutely.
joe rogan
But how do you know that it's not all...
How do you know that...
alex jones
Because they're arrogant and they've all written white papers on it that I've read and I can give you.
joe rogan
White papers?
alex jones
Yeah, it's not what you see in the news.
They're called white papers.
And Joe, just like Joe...
joe rogan
This is why people get banned from the internet.
These kind of conversations.
alex jones
We better ban it right now.
tim dillon
Let's not ban it.
I'm just...
I'll throw that out.
Let's just not...
joe rogan
Let's certainly not ban the channel and YouTube page, which is fantastic, by the way.
tim dillon
What?
joe rogan
Your YouTube page.
tim dillon
Thank you.
alex jones
Let me tell you this right now.
tim dillon
It'll be up for another 24 hours.
alex jones
They have called in the European Union for the arrest of scientists...
joe rogan
Okay, but there is a contributing factor.
Scientifically, it's been proven that increased carbon dioxide has an effect on the temperature of the earth.
Do you agree with that?
alex jones
It depends on the models they use.
Sometimes, actually, more carbon dioxide can cause a cooling effect, but generally can cause a heating effect.
It depends on potash, the atmosphere, volcanic ejections at the time, and also solar maximum and minimums.
Sunspot activity is the main generator of planetary climate.
joe rogan
But the wide...
If you had a giant swath of scientists that are examining carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, would you agree that the majority of them believe that it's a contributing factor to the warming of the earth?
alex jones
Joe, it's a mantra where they say the majority of scientists agree that climate change is caused by humans.
I agree with climate change.
The only thing that's constant is change.
Of course the climate's changing.
What I'm telling you is carbon dioxide was 50 to 500 times, depending on the time period, What do you think the motivation is for them to present the evidence in this way?
tim dillon
Like you said, this is a fraud and everything.
Because I've heard you talk about this before.
What do you think their goal is by linking all of this climate change to man-made activity?
What's the goal?
alex jones
The goal is a centralized world government that can then monitor all carbon and control it as a toxic bad thing.
You're carbon.
It makes you bad.
That didn't work.
So now it's, oh, you have a cold.
You're dirty with COVID. We've got to track you and tax you and control you.
So the new thing is COVID to cut the carbon footprint.
joe rogan
Before we go down the COVID rabbit hole.
The environmentalists are not in bed with the industrialists.
The environmentalists, they're not in bed with all these people that think that they can control the world's...
alex jones
Actually, BP and ExxonMobil and others are the biggest funders of the climate change movement.
joe rogan
They're the biggest funders of it?
alex jones
Contrary to what you hear.
joe rogan
How so?
alex jones
All right, Joe, here's the thing.
I understand this, and you're a smart guy, and I understand you want to go over each piece of this.
Let's go through...
joe rogan
Yeah, well, we have to.
We have to.
alex jones
I agree.
Let's go through each piece.
joe rogan
But understand, you understand that the way you talk, and I enjoy the way you talk.
alex jones
It's fast.
joe rogan
But the way you talk is fast, and you go on these long tangents, and then you go to frogs being gay, and a lot of things happen.
I want to do it...
alex jones
And people can...
Because I'm putting a record out.
joe rogan
Yes, but I want to do it step by step.
alex jones
All right, let's do this.
Let's do this.
Let's do this.
joe rogan
But most people, the vast majority...
Here we got here.
BP commits $100 million to fund new emissions reductions projects.
alex jones
But let me just go back for a second.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
And I appreciate you backing me up.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
Let me break down.
joe rogan
Are frogs gay?
alex jones
You want to get to the frog stuff now?
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We will.
tim dillon
Connect it all.
joe rogan
That is, by the way...
alex jones
Why do I feel like I'm stoned and I haven't smoked my pot?
tim dillon
Yeah, I wish I was stoned.
alex jones
If he's not going to smoke it, I'm going to...
joe rogan
Oh, God.
It's sober October.
I have six days left.
alex jones
Break the goddamn rule and then go an extra day.
joe rogan
I cannot.
I cannot.
I'm like George Washington.
alex jones
Well, hey, on election night, we're going to get hammered, right?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Election night.
I'm getting hammered.
alex jones
I'm going to pop in.
joe rogan
You can pop in.
But we've told everybody now that we're doing a live election night show.
alex jones
No, no, no, we're not.
joe rogan
Kyle Kalinske, Tim Dillon, me, Alex Jones is going to pop in live.
It's going to be fun.
It's live, so while you're watching the world burn, live.
alex jones
All right, Joe, here's the thing.
It's just like...
Let me explain it to you because I love you.
Dude, it's just like when you said, what's the AT&T deal?
And I went, oh, look it up.
joe rogan
But listen, we did look it up and we found some information.
This is bigger.
alex jones
This is bigger.
Okay.
Let me get my brain focused here for a minute.
Let me just try to explain it.
joe rogan
Please do.
alex jones
I've literally interviewed probably, let's not exaggerate, 200 top scientists from petroleum geologists to astrophysicists to astronauts to quantum mechanics to petroleum...
joe rogan
Buckle up, because I have two.
alex jones
I know.
joe rogan
I'm a moron.
alex jones
I know.
joe rogan
Okay?
alex jones
You're a moron?
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
No, you're not.
joe rogan
Yeah, trust me.
alex jones
Joe, you're a smart guy.
That's his cover.
He is smart.
Oh, yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
I'm a smart moron.
alex jones
Yeah, right.
Okay, let me tell you what's going on.
I'm going to say it again.
You can go to any major study.
Just type in...
Carbon dioxide levels were hundreds of times higher in Earth's early past.
joe rogan
Well, I understand that, but also I understand that...
alex jones
But wait, wait, wait!
You can look at the ocean models then.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
You can look at the ocean models.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
And it's true, the oceans didn't cover more than you do.
joe rogan
Yeah, but in Alex Jones, human beings weren't alive 65 million years ago, and the environment wasn't compatible for us.
alex jones
We put out a fraction.
We hadn't developed yet.
joe rogan
Right, well, we were moles.
alex jones
We hadn't.
Yeah, yeah.
Shrews.
joe rogan
Shrews, yeah.
alex jones
But my point is, you're right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
Is that...
joe rogan
Last time CO2 was this high, humans didn't exist.
The last time there was as much carbon dioxide, CO2 in the earth, CO2 levels are far higher now than they have been for any time during the past.
And oil, a single CO2 milk who can remain in the atmosphere, what'd you do?
Oh, I see.
I understand.
Oh, okay, okay.
So let's just go to what this says.
And what is this paper that's...
Is this climatecentral.org?
Okay.
The last time there was this much carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere, modern humans didn't exist.
Megatooth sharks prowled the oceans, blah, blah, blah.
All right.
As we near the record for the highest CO2 concentrations in human history, 400 parts per million, climate scientists worry about where we were then and where we're rapidly headed now.
According to the data gathered by Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii, dope spot, the 400 ppm mark may briefly be exceeded this month when CO2 typically hits a seasonal peak.
alex jones
Sure, and I've had top scientists on, I've had climatologists on about the Keeling Curve.
I can tell you all this.
joe rogan
Here's a threshold according to Ralph Keeling, the researcher.
Carbon dioxide is the most important long-lived global warming gas.
And once it's emitted by burning fossil fuels...
alex jones
It helps us keep our atmosphere.
joe rogan
Hold, please.
Hold, please.
Once it's emitted by burning fossil fuels such as coal and oil, a single CO2 molecule can remain in the atmosphere for hundreds of years.
Global CO2 emissions reached a record high of 35.6 billion tons in 2012, up 2.6% from 2011. Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases warmed the planet by absorbing the sun's energy and preventing heat from escaping back into space, which means it enhances the atmosphere, right?
alex jones
But the sea levels didn't go up like they said.
joe rogan
Well, aren't they melting?
alex jones
Al Gore said by 2013...
joe rogan
Al Gore.
alex jones
Joe, listen, this is one guy's take.
joe rogan
I know, but Al Gore's out there flying around.
alex jones
I know, I know.
You found a guy admitting it used to be higher than it is now.
I'm telling you, it used to be way higher than it is now.
joe rogan
Right, but then the asteroid hit the Yucatan, killed all the dinosaurs, and changed the entire atmosphere of the planet.
alex jones
With a dark winter.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was very bad for everything.
alex jones
Caused by atmospheric dust.
joe rogan
For a long fucking time, right?
alex jones
One major volcano, like Mount St. Helens, they estimated, put out more dust than decades of human dust.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
And human dust is what helps cause nucleotiform to cause storms.
So we are affecting our environment.
But most of the astrophysicists and most of the physicists I've talked to, most of the climatologists I've talked to, They have broken down that the sun, by magnitude, is 98% of the driver of what happens.
That's why when the sunspots take place, it's an erroneous ejection from the sun, and one of those shoots radiation in our direction, it'll be clear blue sky, but they know when we get hit by that, it hits our magnetic field and causes an ionization of the atmosphere and electrification of it, and so that causes the giant storms.
So the main driver of climate is the sun.
And I think everybody didn't be a scientist to know, what's the main thing that Earth's living off of?
tim dillon
The sun.
alex jones
The sun.
And so they're telling us that carbon dioxide does this.
What happens is, as carbon dioxide goes up, they said can be in the atmosphere for hundreds of years.
It's normally absorbed by plants immediately, who they've got studies.
They have found giant crocodile skeletons from just 10,000 years ago in the central Sahara, when hundreds of square miles is nothing but dunes.
10,000 years ago, it was lush jungles and beautiful, but they had goats, and they ate all of the plants and killed the Earth.
joe rogan
Well, there's also the Younger Dryas theory of asteroid impacts that ended the Ice Age.
alex jones
12,000 years ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, two impacts.
I believe there's 12, and then somewhere...
alex jones
But the answer is we don't know.
And so they've now looked at all these big models saying that it's all carbon dioxide, and it's not.
It's the sun, it's asteroids, it's tectonic, it's electromagnetic from the Earth's core.
joe rogan
I understand all this, but isn't CO2 emissions the one thing that we can control?
So human-created global warming gases like CO2 emissions, if we can put a cap on that, wouldn't you agree?
alex jones
Let me ask you a question.
joe rogan
But if we continue to put that stuff in the atmosphere, and it continues to get higher and higher and higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, wouldn't that...
alex jones
The studies show it's going to make deserts become green again, and plants are going to absorb the carbon.
joe rogan
What studies are these?
alex jones
You can look them up.
joe rogan
Okay, let's find out.
alex jones
And that's why the left even says...
joe rogan
But if you're going to say something like that, and I'm not arguing with you, but if you are going to say something like that, that's a very bold thing to say.
You should probably not just say, look them up.
There should be something...
alex jones
Let's type it in.
Let's type it in.
There's hundreds of them.
I actually brought like over 50 articles right here.
joe rogan
Do you have something that you've read that makes you so confident that you can say this?
alex jones
I actually know what the plant studies show, where in greenhouses, they grow plants with higher carbon dioxide.
And plants can grow up to three times faster.
They live longer.
joe rogan
Of course.
Plants live off carbon dioxide.
alex jones
And what do they put out more?
Oxygen.
joe rogan
Well, this one thing that has been proven is that there's more plants now than there have been in a long time.
alex jones
There's a global greening happening, countering us losing our atmosphere up until this point.
The Earth has less atmosphere than it did a million years ago, and it's like God did this or something where we discovered all this oil, which is blind luck that we are terraforming the planet back to an earlier, healthier state by taking ancient carbon that was under the ground and putting it back into the atmosphere.
joe rogan
But isn't the problem that along the way we're also increasing the temperature of the planet and we are not aligned with a higher temperature?
Here's the truth.
alex jones
We don't know.
We don't know.
But in 1963, the Club of Rome came up with a Limits to Growth Plan.
And they had models and actuaries.
And I have copies of this in my film, Endgame.
Seminole film.
It's free online.
Endgame blueprint for global enslavement predicts a virus released to lock things down.
Everything's still happening because it's in their own documents.
And in the 1963 Limits to Growth Club of Rome plan, they said, we believe there'll be a global ice age by 2020 because the last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago and we're set for that.
We're going to tell the public that Actually, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is bouncing solar radiation off the Earth because we've seen volcanoes cause this darkening effect in freezing.
So we believe, our scientists believe, that carbon dioxide is going to make the Earth freeze by 2020. And so we've got to have a global regime to take control of all the factories and all the energy and put a tax in for global government in the name of stopping the Ice Age.
Then by about 1987, they went, actually, we think it's going to heat up instead.
So they flipped the propaganda.
Ask anybody you know.
joe rogan
Okay, but don't you understand that science back then didn't have as much data as they have now?
So their models and what they had predicted in 1963 is faulty compared to the information they have in 2020. Yeah, just like Fauci said 2.5 million would be dead from COVID. It was 207,000.
But worldwide, what is it?
alex jones
Worldwide, tuberculosis killed 20 million people, 1.4 million here last year, but nobody cares.
joe rogan
COVID killed a lot of people worldwide.
alex jones
COVID-19 killed a million worldwide.
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What?
alex jones
Not even a million worldwide.
joe rogan
No, is that true?
alex jones
Yep.
joe rogan
Come on.
alex jones
Yep.
joe rogan
Well, how do we know?
alex jones
Oh, we use UN models.
Again, they're our boss.
Since when did the WHO say the lockdown has to go on?
Now they go, oh, we're against the lockdown.
Your nation states that it's their fault because they know millions are starving to death from the lockdown.
joe rogan
That is true and very underreported that the WHO has now come out against lockdown saying that the reaction can't be a worse effect than the actual disease itself.
tim dillon
So let me back Alex up with the climate change.
It's like there's certainly, you know, we're contributing to man-made global warming.
But also, what are you going to do?
What are we going to do?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tim dillon
What's going on?
I mean, that's another question.
What are we going to do?
joe rogan
Why does his mic sound weird?
Is it he's hot?
Is he on it?
Or is it how I'm hearing it?
I'm hearing like a breakup of his mic.
alex jones
Sounds good to me.
tim dillon
Sounds fine to me, yeah.
joe rogan
That's weird.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
It must be me.
alex jones
Jamie's really low.
You sound great.
He sounds good.
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
tim dillon
What is the climate control?
Because that's very interesting.
Like the idea of using climate to control, because as you said with COVID, and we talked about this, we give up a lot of rights, right?
In the name of coronavirus.
alex jones
Exactly.
Look, there's real issues.
We don't really know what's going on.
They want to be able to track all carbon and tax it with an AI surveillance grid with a social credit score over it.
And they admit all of that.
Joe, they tell us what they're going to do.
joe rogan
Okay, I understand that.
But do you understand that the environmentalists who are concerned are not – there's a giant – Amount of them that are legitimately concerned that we're ruining the earth.
alex jones
Yes, I understand the greenhouse effect.
joe rogan
Fossil fuels.
alex jones
I understand the greenhouse effect.
joe rogan
But these people, the reason why they're acting, the reason why they're trying to get people on electric cars and trying to get people off of fossil fuels, hold up, please, they're legitimately concerned.
Like, I don't believe that these actual environmentalists are in on something global conspiracy.
alex jones
Sure, I agree with you, but I mean, here's the deal.
The new Hummer looks badass.
Here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
But I'm not getting one because I don't want to contribute to global warming.
joe rogan
You don't want to contribute to global warming?
alex jones
Listen, be serious.
Did you know that on average more carbon is spent for electricity into a car than 93 octane gasoline?
joe rogan
Well, I would believe that because I would think it takes a lot to make a fucking electric car.
But once the car is made...
alex jones
No, no, no.
Transmission lines.
You lose up to half of transmission and most of it's coal-powered, brother.
joe rogan
So most of the electricity...
alex jones
Per megawatt, it's more.
joe rogan
So when I'm plugging my Tesla in and I think...
Because that's how I like to think.
I'm a good guy.
I'm plugging my Tesla in.
I'm helping save the world.
I'm not because I'm contributing to...
alex jones
No, you're contributing to putting carbon dioxide back in and oxygen and re-terraforming the planet.
You're doing a badass job.
The biggest energy guzzlers, electric cars, are badass.
They are putting out more carbon than anybody.
Yeah!
They don't come out the tailpipe.
They come out the power plant top.
unidentified
Woo!
alex jones
I love electric cars.
tim dillon
Carbon!
alex jones
Yeah!
Team carbon!
joe rogan
Carbon!
Okay, how do you feel about nuclear power?
alex jones
I absolutely hate it.
joe rogan
Why do you hate it?
Isn't it clean?
alex jones
Oh, 94...
Joe, I'm not trying to tear you up.
joe rogan
Don't tear me up.
I don't know anything.
I told you I'm a moron.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
alex jones
I used to be for nuclear power.
joe rogan
Oh, what happened?
alex jones
I actually did research.
joe rogan
What research did you do?
alex jones
They're always saying it's totally clean, no problem.
But then you can look at the UN's own numbers, which I believe, the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Look this up, CBS News.
94% of nuclear plants are leaking at dangerous levels.
Look this up.
joe rogan
Pause.
Jamie, 94% of nuclear power plants are leaking at dangerous levels.
Isn't the problem that we're using old tech like Fukushima?
alex jones
See, you're smart.
You always know everything, Joe.
The average power plant age is 36 years.
Almost all these power plants, life is 20 to 35 years.
Fukushima was already a decade older than it was supposed to be, a general electric model, using plutonium.
joe rogan
Radioactive leaks found at 75% of U.S. nuke sites.
alex jones
Yeah, it's worse than that.
It's 94%.
joe rogan
Okay, well that's not good.
alex jones
I don't know why 94 doesn't pop up.
joe rogan
But wouldn't it be possible with innovation that they currently have access to?
alex jones
Yes, yes.
You talk about corrupt companies.
Listen, if people actually ran these right, and the executives, here's an example, BP. I think oil's great.
It has toxic problems.
We should clean it up.
We should find alternatives.
There's all sorts of clean energy we should go to that isn't.
Solar's great, whatever.
They've got fission, fusion, a bunch of stuff coming down.
One of the best films out there, because it's so accurate, because I had lawyers on from the...
I read the transcript of the trial.
The Event Horizon with BP. They literally have all these degreed engineers out there, and BP calls them up from England to Houston and says, you're spending $25 million a day on this super deep experimental whale.
We've decided to not pour concrete, they call it mud, in on top of this...
The executives say, we'll save $25 million a day if you dump water.
And all the engineers went, we have mathematical equations, just like water boils at a certain amount.
Or we have a certain number of chromosomes.
tim dillon
This is fact.
alex jones
And they, on record, go, you're fired if you don't.
Order them to dump water into it.
So they follow the order, dump water in for five days, and it blows up because water didn't have enough pressure to hold what was going to be coming out when they finally hit that giant oil and gas deposit down there at 20,000 feet under the ground or whatever it was.
Super deep well.
It was deeper than that.
So you watch that movie with Kurt Russell and the rest of it and Marky Mark.
joe rogan
Wasn't Event Horizon the one where they find...
alex jones
I'm sorry, Event Horizon is where they go...
tim dillon
Event Horizon is a spaceship.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the one where they're in space.
tim dillon
I'm trying to remember oil in Event Horizon.
joe rogan
I'm like, wait a minute, Lawrence Fishburne, right?
tim dillon
Yeah, I think.
joe rogan
They go to hell.
alex jones
Here's my brain.
joe rogan
Deepwater Horizon.
alex jones
Deepwater Horizon.
joe rogan
Yeah, but pull up Event Horizon, because that's a great fucking movie.
alex jones
I love that movie.
It's like they go into hell, they go into a new dimension.
tim dillon
It's a good one.
alex jones
But see how my brain got that wrong, but it was not on purpose.
joe rogan
No, it's okay.
That's the shit.
He pulls his eyeballs out, he tells everybody, yeah, remember that?
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great fucking movie.
tim dillon
Pure evil.
alex jones
But listen, I'm not trying to rant here.
What I'm telling you, Joe, is it's the same thing with nuclear power plants.
Why would the executives at BP order their engineers to do something that was going to blow up?
They just said, you engineers are full of crap.
We're going to make money.
joe rogan
Do you think they might just be arrogant engineers on Adderall and they made a big mistake?
alex jones
No, no.
Yeah, that's what happened.
tim dillon
Could be.
Could be.
alex jones
That's what happened.
joe rogan
That is what happened?
alex jones
Well...
joe rogan
Well, those guys are probably tweaked out, right?
Those executives?
alex jones
What I'm saying, it wasn't engineers.
It was the executives.
joe rogan
Yeah, but executives.
That's what I'm saying.
tim dillon
Why do you think they were like, keep pouring water in it, keep pouring water in it?
alex jones
Because they were insane.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
I mean, that's what I'm saying about these nuclear...
joe rogan
Okay, so the engineers are at the mercy of these executives who don't have the degrees the engineers have, and they made a crucial error, and they forced the engineers to do something that was ultimately...
alex jones
And so I was agreeing with you about we should listen to scientists and engineers.
I was just going back to your point that, yeah, we don't know about the warming.
We don't know what it's doing.
The models they all use on warming...
Factor out the sun.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
And you can't factor out the sun in an equation.
I've had other scientists that factor the sun in, and they think, despite all we're doing, that within the next 200 years, we're going to a very serious, deep ice age.
tim dillon
I think Alex's point is that in all of these things, there are legitimate things, you know, COVID has, there are real things, people getting sick, global warming, you know, to an extent, I'm sure, is Is happening.
Of course it's happening.
But then there are also nefarious characters that want to use that to take away your freedom.
There are people that don't want you owning a car.
There's all these legacy systems.
Whitney Webb is a journalist who came on my show said a lot of people didn't want to reopen the economy until they remade the economy.
And got rid of all these legacy systems.
And this is a doc with Eric Schmidt, who was the head of Google, and you can look it up.
And they were saying, you know, they were considering these legacy systems like cash, private ownership of cars, you know, things like that.
Like, getting rid of all of these things that are distinctly American ways of life and just saying that, like, we don't want you to own a car.
alex jones
This is the most important thing that's been said here today.
That's why I'm here.
joe rogan
One step at a time, though.
Why would they want to get rid of private ownership of cars?
tim dillon
Because they want control of people, and if you allow them to drive their own cars and use cash and run their own businesses and live in their own homes...
Okay, but let's start with cars.
alex jones
Vertical integration.
joe rogan
Let's start with cars.
Don't you think that maybe the concern is they're looking at the future of autonomous vehicles, which would drastically lower the mortality rate on highways, and they're saying...
tim dillon
I mean, are the people that run this country, Joe, concerned with the mortality rate?
I mean, they're bombing other countries to doing this, to doing that.
alex jones
Okay, but stop, stop, stop.
They want centralized control.
joe rogan
Hold, please.
We're concerned.
alex jones
Steve Wozniak, the founder of Apple, says the best AI is not as good as an ant's brain.
joe rogan
Hold this thought.
alex jones
Yeah.
tim dillon
But hold this thought.
The mortality rate on highways.
joe rogan
Listen, you can't think that the people...
tim dillon
These people are in the woods with hoods on.
joe rogan
But the people at Google that are working on autonomous vehicles...
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're not the same people that are trying to control governments outside the world.
alex jones
But it's controlled by those guys.
tim dillon
All of those people at Google want to usher in a brave new world.
They want to remake the world in the way that they want to.
joe rogan
But you're saying all these people.
Some of them are just writing software to make a better pixel.
unidentified
Some of them are, sure.
alex jones
Some of them are.
tim dillon
But there's a lot of them that are not, Joe.
joe rogan
I feel like I'm the fucking voice of reason.
tim dillon
How is this possible?
They're the tech utopians.
joe rogan
I'm not high.
I should be high.
I'd be right along with you.
alex jones
Yeah, you're very combative.
Joe?
tim dillon
These are utopians.
They want to create a paradise on earth.
alex jones
Joe, I brought you...
tim dillon
Through control.
alex jones
I brought you the documents, Joe.
joe rogan
I'm sucking on this cigar.
tim dillon
Joe, we have the documents!
joe rogan
I'm sucking on this cigar like it's a jelly donut.
I'm hoping I can get you the weed on the inside.
I'm like, I'm licking the outside.
What do you got there?
A piece of paper?
unidentified
Dang it.
What does it say?
joe rogan
What does it say?
tim dillon
I think it's confirming what I just said.
joe rogan
Looking forward to the end of humanity.
What is this?
tim dillon
See?
joe rogan
Okay, but it's a person who wrote this.
It's Adam Kerr.
She's probably got a pistol in his mouth right now.
alex jones
No, that's the Wall Street Journal cover story.
joe rogan
I don't really mean that, Adam.
I apologize.
alex jones
That's the Wall Street Journal cover story.
May I please tell you what I came here for?
joe rogan
You came here for a reason?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Here it is.
COVID-19 has spotlighted the promise and peril of transhumanism, the idea of using technology to overcome sickness, aging, and death.
Okay, but what is he saying?
tim dillon
I used to fall asleep every night listening to Alex talk about this, so I want to let Alex talk about this.
Until they took him off YouTube!
joe rogan
He was the way I fell asleep every night.
Not only did they do that, but do you know they fucking took a Young Turks podcast yesterday off of Facebook?
alex jones
Let's talk about that in a minute.
Can we get some weed in the air?
joe rogan
Progressive!
Yeah, we can get some.
We got some on the outside.
alex jones
Yeah.
You need it.
joe rogan
No, I can't.
alex jones
If I blow it at you, like you got a cat high?
Does that not cheat it if I blow it in your face?
joe rogan
I can't do it.
alex jones
I'll blow it in your face.
joe rogan
I can't do it.
Listen, I'm getting kind of hot from this cigar.
alex jones
Listen, I need to talk to you.
joe rogan
I'm a little lightheaded.
alex jones
All right, I'm going to go get some apple juice.
And I'm going to pray to Jesus.
joe rogan
We've got some in here, I believe.
alex jones
Listen, I need to talk to you.
joe rogan
Just go grab some bottles and some ice.
tim dillon
Get him some apple juice for the transhumanism discussion, please.
alex jones
Listen, you wonder why I'm so crazy?
joe rogan
No.
alex jones
Because I discovered this stuff right out of mainline documents, and I've known it for 26 years, 27 years.
joe rogan
Well, here's another thing.
Let me tell you something.
We all know that you've fucked some things up, right?
And your biggest fuck-up is Sandy Hook.
But you've gotten so many things right.
And this is why I keep talking to you about these things.
And why I defend you.
And why I think that it's fucking dangerous.
To censor you and to say, oh, this guy, we need to get him deplatformed, get him all these things.
You're revealing some things that have been proven on this show so far to be true that make people very uncomfortable.
alex jones
Well, the first thing I was going to do was thank you for having me on and having the courage.
joe rogan
But I was going to say the fucking Bohemian Grove thing.
The Bohemian Grove thing.
tim dillon
That was the first time I really got into what he was doing.
And that was like amazing.
I mean, when you watch that movie, watch that, you know, it's paradigm shift.
joe rogan
I've had people try to minimize that.
I've had people try.
tim dillon
Yes, they all do.
joe rogan
I go, listen to me.
I'm not a billionaire.
alex jones
Well, I'll give you the real take on it because I've been there.
And I think it's just a gateway to things.
But let's get into Bohemian Grove in a moment.
I really want to give you the big enchilada.
joe rogan
The big enchilada.
Okay.
Just like a mole sauce.
alex jones
Yes, sir.
I love mole sauce.
joe rogan
I do, too.
alex jones
Just like I'm saying, the engineers, meanwhile, a lot of them have good points.
I'm not saying they're wrong about all this stuff.
I'm simply telling you, I've read what the globalists have to say in their own establishment communication.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
And I have it right here in my notes.
To talk to you about the post-human era and the system that they are setting up where in all of their main publications they say humans are flawed, humans are bad.
joe rogan
But they are.
But they are flawed, right?
alex jones
But then these corporations are saying they're going to take us out of our bodies and make us silicon.
And that's what Elon Musk talks about.
Beware those that worship AI gods.
joe rogan
Well, he's actually talking about Neuralink, which is something where they're going to be able to interface with your brain and increase the bandwidth in which you access information.
But go ahead.
alex jones
Well, that's it.
joe rogan
But that seems inevitable, doesn't it?
alex jones
No, it's not inevitable.
Already, driverless cars don't know a wreck-up ahead or what to do.
They have more accidents.
Steve Wozniak, as I was saying earlier, the co-founder of Apple, says the best AI isn't a million percent close to how good an ant's brain is.
joe rogan
Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
When they first developed cars, they said, well, how are you going to take them?
There's no roads.
alex jones
Sure, AI power...
joe rogan
They built roads.
alex jones
Here's the deal.
joe rogan
Do you understand that the AI that's powering these cars now...
alex jones
Do you understand the people running the AR are predatory anti-humans that say they want to get rid of us?
joe rogan
Elon Musk is not a predatory anti-human.
alex jones
No, I didn't say he was.
joe rogan
But I understand.
He's working on autonomous vehicles.
alex jones
He said, beware those that speak of AI gods.
joe rogan
Yes.
Okay, a lot of people are worried that...
Look, Elon is more concerned.
Don't give me one of those.
You keep that shit away from me, motherfucker.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
He doesn't drink.
tim dillon
I'm good.
Thank you.
joe rogan
I appreciate it.
He's sober.
alex jones
Hey, Rogan...
tim dillon
I'm sitting next to Alex Jones.
I'm as high as I can be.
alex jones
Election night...
joe rogan
Okay, but listen, election night, we're going to get lit.
But these guys who are making this stuff...
alex jones
It's like in Hollywood.
This is fake.
This is only corn syrup coloring.
tim dillon
Do you think this is a good idea, though?
This idea that we should be expanding our minds in this way and putting chips in our...
joe rogan
I don't think it's good or bad.
I think it is the nature of human innovation.
I think we take things, we improve upon them, we do that with everything.
tim dillon
But at what point do you cross the line?
joe rogan
No, one at a time.
alex jones
He needs weed.
joe rogan
They had Morse code, right?
Yes.
They went from Morse code to you being able to send me a FaceTime video.
Understood.
These things happen.
alex jones
Hey, Joe, we're not against technology.
joe rogan
This is just part of being humans.
alex jones
We're not against technology.
May I please say something?
joe rogan
I understand that you're not against technology, but what I'm saying is if you follow technological innovation, it becomes better and better and more and more invasive.
alex jones
We need to design it where it doesn't make us obsolete.
Humans take control of their environment.
We build our environment.
The globalists have decided to have a post-human future where humans are no longer relevant.
joe rogan
This is where you lose.
alex jones
I can show you the damn quote.
tim dillon
He's getting me.
unidentified
I just gave you an article where they said it.
tim dillon
Because I think he's right.
I think the only reason we're still around is because they haven't figured out how to get robots good enough to get rid of all of it.
If they had the right robots, there would be no Walmarts to get rid of everybody.
You don't think that?
joe rogan
If they were the right robots, they'd get rid of them.
alex jones
They're making us obsolete.
They're trying to get rid of the water.
Danger, danger, danger.
joe rogan
I need a fucking cooler.
I like to go to Walmart.
Is that okay?
tim dillon
But once you have a robot, you won't want to go to Walmart.
joe rogan
Why?
tim dillon
Because it's dirty, it's filthy.
Everyone's got COVID. I listen to music.
alex jones
That's why they're doing the COVID is the post-human.
You're not essential under COVID. Listen, they want to train you.
Okay, listen, look how calculators were great.
No one knows how to do math now.
Look how phones are great.
No one knows their numbers anymore.
All the statistics show that the science of technology is making us dumb.
And that's why they wrote the big article, the co-owner of Sun Microsystems in 2000. Bill Joy wrote, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
And he explains he went to a top billionaire tech conference and they made the decision to not let humans sit around and play video games in the future.
They were just going to slowly phase us out and kill everybody.
joe rogan
They're not trying to kill everybody.
alex jones
Okay, pull up why the future doesn't need us.
tim dillon
But why wouldn't they?
But why wouldn't they?
Can we reverse engineer the question?
alex jones
Because we're called useless eaters.
joe rogan
I don't think they're trying to kill people.
I think they're trying to improve what a person is.
What I think we're doing...
alex jones
Oh, by chopping our son's balls off?
joe rogan
Okay, you're going to go down another rabbit hole, you son of a bitch.
By increasing our ability to access information and by becoming a sort of a symbiotic creature aligned with technology.
alex jones
And once we're aligned with AI, we can censor everything we do.
You think big tech, the minute big tech got control, they began censoring.
And it's the groups behind that are very predatory, Joe.
joe rogan
I do agree with you there.
alex jones
There's no firewalls.
joe rogan
Here's the problem.
The First Amendment currently does not apply to big tech.
I believe it should.
alex jones
They're violating cartel laws.
They're organized.
joe rogan
I believe that what's happening now, whether it's Twitter or Facebook or YouTube, these platforms are so big, I think the argument can be made that they are utilities and that they should be regulated like utilities.
It should be a human right.
alex jones
I agree.
We did not have access to these things.
We did not...
We're going to talk about a lot of things.
Read this.
This is what I wrote last night.
You ready?
The Silicon Cult.
joe rogan
I want some weed for you.
I want you to take it down a notch.
alex jones
The Silicon Cult.
joe rogan
Okay, go ahead.
Is this another article?
alex jones
No, I wrote this.
joe rogan
Oh, you wrote it.
alex jones
These are talking points.
The Silicon Cult, Defining the Enemy, the War on Carbon.
Announce up front that I am not really a liberal or conservative.
I want a pro-human future.
Please listen to me and hear me out.
joe rogan
Let's stop right there.
Because you get called a neoconservative.
You get called alt-right.
You get called a far-right person.
When I first met you, you were protesting against George W. Bush.
And you were saying that what he was doing and what he was trying to usher in was essentially going to be the downfall of Western civilization.
alex jones
Even before he was elected.
joe rogan
Yes!
I remember that.
So when people say, Alex Jones is this far-right guy, I'm like, he's complicated.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's really against corruption more than he's against any particular party.
You just found that the right was less apt to censor you and more apt to listen to your ideas.
alex jones
Exactly.
And I know we're all not stoned today, and so we're being a little aggressive.
But here's the election night.
If I'm gracious enough to be here, or if you're gracious enough I'll be here, we'll get hammered.
But listen.
Let's get into Bohemian Grove.
Let's get into the technocracy.
Let's get into who runs things.
Let's get into the mindset.
Whatever points you want, and I'll try to show up and go through it.
joe rogan
This is Tim Dillon's wheelhouse.
tim dillon
This is because you're saying they want mortality on the roads.
joe rogan
Look at this thin, young, handsome, boyish, baby-faced Alex Jones.
alex jones
Well, that's 2004, but yeah, I mean, I knew you in like...
98. Well, in 98 was when...
joe rogan
I met you in 98, but then I got to know you in 99. But this was when you were...
98 was when you were protesting.
alex jones
And this is my clip.
You guys are welcome to play this.
It's really good.
Yeah.
I'll sign a form.
You can use it.
joe rogan
What is going on in this clip?
tim dillon
He's interviewing a lizard.
joe rogan
Let's play this.
alex jones
No, this is the...
It's been in a lot of different newspapers, and that's the Bohemian Grove.
You want to start it over?
It's David Gurion.
Let me set it up.
Okay.
Right where he goes.
David Gergen.
I'm outside.
What's the main thing in New York where everybody plays?
joe rogan
By the way, this is when Bill Hicks was alive, so I can confirm that you are not Bill Hicks.
tim dillon
Madison Square Garden.
alex jones
Madison Square Garden.
And here comes David Gergen in the coral robe of like four or five administrations.
And I knew that he was part of the actual ritual at Bohemian Grove, so I bring it up to him and he blows up at me.
Here it is.
He's like eight feet tall.
We're talking to David Gergen, and he has advised several presidents and, of course, has written quite a few books and is a, I would call you a political pundit or researcher.
unidentified
Commentariat over the hill, whatever.
alex jones
One last question.
I read a Washington Times article many years ago where you had a comment about the organization, and then now it's been in the Wall Street Journal, it's been in a lot of different newspapers, and that's the Bohemian Grove.
And back in, what was it, 19...
In 1996, when you joined as a Clinton advisor, the Republicans were criticizing you.
Oh, what about Bohemian Grove?
And then you countered them by saying, hey, I don't run around in the woods naked.
What did that mean?
Here is the before-mentioned Washington Times article, where he said, I didn't run around naked like they do.
unidentified
I don't know what quote you're referring to.
I'm not aware of any quote like that.
Listen, I am a happy member of the Bohemian Grove.
I like the folks who come there, and it's really inappropriate for me to talk about the group beyond that.
Thank you.
alex jones
Have you been there for the ceremony with the cremation of care?
unidentified
Frankly, I don't think that's something I need to talk to you about.
joe rogan
Now, what we're watching, for people that are just listening, is a bunch of people wearing robes that are burning an effigy in front of a giant statue of Molech the Owl God.
tim dillon
And it's the effigy of a child.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if that is what it is.
unidentified
It is.
tim dillon
I think it's the effigy of a child.
unidentified
I believe it is.
joe rogan
It looks like a grown woman to me.
alex jones
You should be just real mad right here.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
tim dillon
Watch this.
unidentified
Frankly, I don't think that's something I need to talk to you about.
alex jones
Really?
unidentified
That's right.
alex jones
Well, I'm Alex Jones and I snuck in there in 2000. I'm the guy that blew it wide open and got the video.
unidentified
It's been on national TV. You do?
I do.
alex jones
But there's a lot of big public officials going in there.
unidentified
Don't we deserve to know?
I don't know anything about you, and I don't know anything about your film, but if you go in there with an understanding, you violated that understanding by releasing that film, and I don't respect you for that.
alex jones
Really?
unidentified
I'm sorry, you took an understanding when you went in there that you would not do that film.
Did you have an understanding when you went in there?
tim dillon
No.
unidentified
Did you crash it?
Yes.
Yeah, and it has no trespassing signs there, too, doesn't it?
alex jones
No, they put them up after.
unidentified
I just walked in.
I'm sorry, sir.
I've been there before.
I know what the circumstances are, and I'm sorry you violated the understandings.
That was not a gentlemanly thing to do.
alex jones
But what about the ritual?
Is the ritual gentlemanly?
joe rogan
That's all the people, these fucking heads of state and billionaires screaming.
tim dillon
Yeah, that's the other thing.
They run the world, these people.
unidentified
I don't owe you this comment.
I know, I appreciate it.
This is what's called ambush journalism, and I disrespect you for that as well, so thank you and goodbye.
alex jones
Have you ever been in the original?
unidentified
That's none of your damn business.
Oh!
That's right.
Listen.
joe rogan
Oh, he's getting cocky.
unidentified
You go around and make understandings with people and violate them.
You ambush people on the streets, and that's an inappropriate form of journalism.
If you wish to practice that, that's fine.
But don't ask others to respect you for it.
You can do you're free American like anything you want.
If you want to be uncivil and rude and ungentlemanly, that's up to you.
But don't expect the rest of us to say, oh, well, you're...
You guys are setting policy in there, Mr. Gergen.
I'm sorry.
Nobody sets policy in there.
We try to be gentlemen.
And obviously, you don't belong there.
alex jones
Weaving spiders coming out here?
joe rogan
Yeah!
alex jones
Anyways.
joe rogan
That's a three-player.
tim dillon
Listen, you could ignore that if it was a bunch of poor people in the woods doing that.
joe rogan
Even then I'd be worried.
tim dillon
Even then it would be weird.
These guys are the top of every industry in America.
It's at least curious.
joe rogan
Who goes in there?
alex jones
Well, people I like.
I mean, Clint Eastwood's gone.
He's not really a member.
Look.
Look.
joe rogan
Is it fun?
alex jones
Look, it's 2,700 acres.
It was set up by Mark Twain and it was a liberal deal for like hookers and gay dudes and just everything else.
Just a big, huge...
joe rogan
Would you say gay dudes?
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Gay dudes.
joe rogan
Oh, gay dudes.
alex jones
No, I'm saying if you go back to like the 1870s when Mark Twain set up, it was classically liberal.
It was partying.
It was their own 2,700 acres.
It was saloons.
They brought in female hookers.
It was...
You know, there was gay guys in there, everything.
It was just, it was Bohemian Groves, what they called that, because people did whatever they wanted, and it was open.
And they had, like, poetry, and they had plays, and all the rest of it.
Then, by the time Howard Taft became president, the Republicans basically bought it.
So the reason it's important is the Republicans go there to, like, they ship in all these private hookers, all these jets land nearby, but they also have a lot of gay sex, which they use then to basically compromise people into the cult.
And so there's a lot of gay sex.
joe rogan
How do you know this?
alex jones
It came out in news articles.
No one ever got footage of it.
I was in there for one day.
I snuck in.
I looked good back then.
They hit on me a lot.
I had people I recognized from TV walking around.
Hey, let's go right now.
I mean, it's a big gay hookup deal for Republicans.
I'm just telling you what it is.
And then they've got this ritual that's only the feeder group.
So I'm sitting there during the ritual, and I'm like, hey, this is pretty cool.
The dude goes, shut up, I'll kill you.
And they're all taking it very seriously.
And I'm not saying it's a gay thing.
I'm saying some of that goes on.
joe rogan
So you were saying it was cool and people were getting angry that you were saying it's cool?
alex jones
No, I mean, I was just quietly going, oh, this is really interesting.
And they're like, shut up!
This is a very important ritual.
And they were taking it very serious.
This hearse comes in with the body of a child.
It is an effigy.
They're not killing it.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a bundle of sticks, right?
alex jones
Yeah, well, it looks like a kid.
No, later, others infiltrated later that worked there and got us photos of it.
It's an image of a kid.
It's a little kid.
tim dillon
Because Moloch in biblical is who they sacrifice to Canaanite kids.
alex jones
It's a bull, but they do it as an owl.
tim dillon
They do it as an owl, yeah.
But that's from the Bible, is you would sacrifice a child to Moloch.
alex jones
Give not your children to the fires of Moloch.
Right, right.
And so I've given it to experts in religious history.
It's not even, you know, from a Christian perspective.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
It's a Faustian deal mixed with Babylonian and religious stuff from Tyre.
tim dillon
Yeah.
It's quirky.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look at that owl god and look at the fire underneath the owl god.
alex jones
And there's Ronald Reagan.
tim dillon
I mean, if you saw that, if you were in the woods and you just saw that, you would be terrified.
alex jones
And Richard Nixon says, Richard Nixon, on the Richard Nixon tape, says it's a gay orgy.
joe rogan
Richard Nixon said that?
alex jones
You can pull up.
Richard Nixon talks about...
tim dillon
Yeah, Richard Nixon said something about it where he...
alex jones
It's the most goddamn faggy thing you've ever seen.
tim dillon
I think it's just allowing...
alex jones
Well, not that it gets...
That's what it's saying.
tim dillon
I think it's guys that aren't gay that engage in gay acts in the woods, and then they have something on each other, similar to Epstein's Island, where it's like, that's what it is.
alex jones
It's like a fraternity doing that.
You've got to screw it up.
tim dillon
So is that part...
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
What is this here?
tim dillon
They don't allow women.
joe rogan
It says, founded in 1872 by a group of male...
jamie vernon
That's the context that YouTube has when we talk about Bohemian Grove.
This is the title of the video.
joe rogan
See, I told you, founded in 1872. Richard Nixon, Bohemian Grove.
Most faggy goddamn thing he could ever imagine.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes, play it.
100% play it.
I want to hear this.
alex jones
It's the Nixon tapes, yeah.
joe rogan
Let me hear this.
unidentified
Let's look at Northern California.
joe rogan
Northern California.
unidentified
You know what's happening in San Francisco?
San Francisco is just gone.
It's clear over it.
I don't know.
But it isn't.
It isn't just not an Iraqi part of town, but the upper class of San Francisco is that way.
The Bolivian Grove that I attend, one time to time, the Easters and the others have come here.
But it is the most faggot that you will care if I never imagine how San Francisco probably goes in there.
joe rogan
The San Francisco crowd goes in there.
It's just terrible.
Okay.
tim dillon
It's weird.
The owl, and it's interesting, and I don't know how seriously they take it.
I mean, that's the real question, right?
alex jones
Well, yeah.
I mean, the whole gate thing's a side issue.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
The point is that I've talked to people that, I mean, according to Ted Gunderson, the first time I ever heard about this was from this former high-level FBI agent who was going to be the FBI director, but he wouldn't go along with corruption, so he wasn't.
It's on record, Gunderson almost being on the FBI record.
tim dillon
And he blew up things like the Franklin scandal, and he's been...
alex jones
And the Finders, and the Finders Club.
tim dillon
The Finders Club, which was huge, was where the CIA was caught trafficking.
You know, the Finders is a cult that was caught trafficking children, and the CIA squashed the Florida...
alex jones
And then Gunderson got it raided in D.C. and found a whole CIA facility with the snuff films, everything.
tim dillon
Telex machine communicating.
alex jones
And so he told me about all this, and I thought he was crazy.
Yeah.
Even though he was Ted Gunderson.
joe rogan
You told us about it, and we actually pulled up one of those stories.
tim dillon
And I was correct.
joe rogan
Yes, you're correct.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
Thank you.
alex jones
So Ted Gunderson is the reason I know about this.
And he said that they get people interested with that ritual.
There's like 2,000 members.
They bring about 1,000 guests.
Not everybody can even bring a guest.
Like the head of each camp can bring a guest.
Most of them are nice.
Clint Eastwood goes there, you know.
Danny Glover goes there, but it's an all-male deal.
joe rogan
Who's the other one?
alex jones
Danny Glover.
joe rogan
Oh, Danny Glover?
alex jones
I'm just mentioning who's on there.
joe rogan
Lethal Weapon Danny Glover?
alex jones
I saw him there.
tim dillon
How the fuck is he in there?
joe rogan
They probably like him from the movie.
tim dillon
He's just a fun guy.
unidentified
He's a great guy.
alex jones
I saw him when I was there.
I saw Danny Glover.
tim dillon
Interesting.
I'm starting to believe this is not...
I'm starting to believe we can get in.
I'm starting to believe it's not that exclusive.
alex jones
Oh, Joe Rogan, they'd have him in immediately.
unidentified
Immediately.
joe rogan
Not now.
tim dillon
Do a podcast in front of the owl.
alex jones
But I just want to say that, overall, it started out as a truly artsy, liberal thing that I think is good.
I think guys deserve to go off the woods, like we've done since Humans Were Humans, and party and do whatever.
But the thing is, then the weird...
Here's what happened.
About 1900, Skull and Bones, that was at Yale in New Haven, Connecticut, that was a German death cult, it took over Bohemian Grove, and that's when they set up that as the central deal.
So it's this big, inviting, fun party.
joe rogan
What happens at Skull and Bones?
Because that's one of the other rumors about Skull and Bones.
alex jones
I can tell you, I know.
joe rogan
They compromise you.
alex jones
I know.
joe rogan
They compromise you so that you're always a part of this organization.
alex jones
Well, before he died, I did multiple interviews with Anthony Sutton, the top congressional advisor to Senator Frank Church.
And we only know about Sutton because Charlotte Iserby, whose father was high-level skull and bones, gave him all of their internal manuals.
And she's been a frequent guest.
She's retired now.
joe rogan
America's Secret Establishment, an introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones.
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
And so this is a Russell Trust, true Illuminati.
Illuminati set up 1776 to counter our revolution by Adam Weishaupt.
It funds the Jacobins.
It funds the French Revolution.
It's the opposite of a true egalitarian, open liberal revolution.
It's the leftist.
Always say they're the liberal.
Liberal and leftist are two different deals.
Leftist is left-hand path, Satanism.
Liberalism is egalitarian, open society, true liberalism.
And so the left-hand path set this up.
And then they sent all this opium money they had over in 1831 to Yale to set up a German secret society of the Illuminati, which then has become one of the dominant secret societies.
And in there, they do actual satanic rituals.
They get in coffins.
They do simulated human sacrifices.
They have gay sex as part of the ritual.
They bathe in huge facilities of feces.
This was made by Robert De Niro made...
A movie...
tim dillon
Skull and Bones are doing that stuff now?
alex jones
Absolutely.
I know somebody broke into it.
tim dillon
Wow.
joe rogan
How can this be proven?
alex jones
Well, Matt Damon made a movie called The Good Shepherd, I think.
tim dillon
Yes.
alex jones
And in that, it's Robert De Niro directed it.
Okay?
And that's super accurate, where it's got the sword and the devil, and they're in these big vats of cow manure.
tim dillon
They did leak a Facebook photo album of a bunch of skull and bones kids' hand on a deer island.
They kind of look like losers.
I know they're not, but they kind of look like losers.
I mean, it was kind of embarrassing.
joe rogan
A lot of billionaires look like losers.
tim dillon
Yeah, they look like emaciated.
You were like, these are the Illuminati?
It was kind of like...
alex jones
No, I totally agree with you.
Remember ABC News, because they wanted to get Bush in trouble right before the 2004 election?
Another frat was able to, because they're all doing this crap, shoot video down into it where they're going, devil equals death, Satan.
And they had girls they finally brought into the membership, it was all boys before, sacrificing.
So, of course, it's idiotic.
It's training wheels for what they do.
But inside, they go grave rob, they've got Geronimo's skull.
tim dillon
Yeah, that George H.W. Bush supposedly stole Geronimo's skull.
alex jones
Yeah, you've got to do things like...
tim dillon
I don't know if that...
But that's a legend, rumor thing, yeah.
alex jones
Well, I... Probably true.
It's been broken into.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
One time the police went in there.
But the point is, is that Skull and Bones, Order 322, is the Illuminati Germanic death cult that now set up chapters all over the U.S. And it took over Bohemian Grove around 1900. And so that's why Bohemian Grove is still this artisan, you know, deal of elitist artist.
But then it got co-opted by the Republican Party and Skull and Bones.
And Helmut Schmidt, German chancellor, wrote Men in Power as a Political Retrospective when he retired in the late 80s, saying, I love our Illuminati rituals that we have in Germany in our own sacred groves, but I think they've taken it to a new level with Skull and Bones at Bohemian Grove, and I really enjoy the time we have there.
tim dillon
So these are just these elite institutions where – and Skull and Bowls, I think they seek to like create close friends amongst people that may not know each other, create loyalty amongst this group of people.
alex jones
That's why they got to tell them all the things they've done.
tim dillon
Yeah, you got to tell them all the sexual history, all that stuff.
They want these people to be loyal to each other.
So when they – they're not loyal to the laws of America.
They're loyal to this oath that they take with each other.
alex jones
And exactly.
And it's like a Team America.
joe rogan
Look at this.
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
Descendants sue skull and bones over Geronimo's bones.
Documents show George W. Bush's grandfather robbed Geronimo's grave members.
Members of the secret society allegedly steal valuable things and put them in tomb.
Great-grandson says Geronimo should be buried in accordance with tradition.
Federal law protects Native Americans' rights to their family members' remains.
alex jones
And let's expand on that.
What he just said, because this guy's only studying...
tim dillon
Thank you.
alex jones
It's like in Team America when the head guy goes, suck my cock, Gary.
It's not about sex.
In Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove, what he said is most of these guys are not gay.
It's an act of dominance.
Like, oh, you're a senator?
You want to be president?
Bend over.
And like a former president, screws you in the ass.
And that's what they do.
I mean, the ritual is, I'm in charge, bend over.
joe rogan
Well, isn't that a thing with fraternities anyway?
Like hazing?
Yeah.
Exactly.
alex jones
So it's the next deal.
tim dillon
Yeah, but most people in fraternity, I mean, these are the top kids.
These are kids that they think are going to occupy leadership positions in the world.
joe rogan
And often do, eventually.
tim dillon
And often do.
alex jones
Let me give you an example.
Even John Ronson saw the photo of me when we snuck in Bohemian Grove.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And they had it hanging in, and people said, why didn't you get a video?
I have a camera hidden right here.
It's Henry Kissinger bent over in a woman's dress, sticking his fingers in his ass.
tim dillon
Bill Clinton in a blue dress in Jeffrey Epstein's house.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's just an artist's rendition.
Do you know that that was just an artist made that?
alex jones
Maybe this was an artist's rendition.
We're in a clubhouse.
Ronson wrote about this.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's a photo or a painting?
alex jones
No, it looked like a photo, but let's just say it's a painting.
I don't know.
It's ancient memory 20 years ago.
But I mean, Ronson's like, look at that.
I'm like, is that Kissinger?
Yeah, and it's Kissinger.
It's all about being improper.
And then they all go get caught to compromise each other to be in the club.
It's a hazing thing.
joe rogan
So that they can trust each other because they're all doing shady shit.
unidentified
Yes.
tim dillon
Even if it's an artist's rendition, why is Jeffrey Epstein having in his townhouse a picture of the president in a blue dress?
joe rogan
Well, because the president flew in his fucking plane 26 times.
unidentified
That's what I mean.
tim dillon
That's what I mean.
alex jones
And by the way, Israel Maxwell is now come out in court.
It's getting no attention confirming, okay, Clinton did fly to that island.
That broke four days ago.
It's gotten zero attention.
tim dillon
Yeah, no, they're not paying attention.
We haven't heard anything other than those court documents that just came out.
alex jones
Listen, I told you.
Listen, guys.
It's not like I'm even that special.
My mom's brother was a famous helicopter pilot in Vietnam running black ops into Laos and Cambodia and stuff.
And then he...
I shouldn't tell these stories, but no one's ever heard this stuff.
But, you know, I remember growing up, him telling me this stuff, and it was true.
Like, they were...
I'm not going to do it.
tim dillon
Please, please.
joe rogan
What's the problem?
alex jones
I just can't do it.
joe rogan
What's the danger?
You said so much.
alex jones
Well, I mean...
Let's just say he took the fall for something that was going on.
He didn't get in trouble for it.
He got promoted.
He was involved in Iran-Contra.
tim dillon
And that's how people get promoted.
They fail upward by taking, a lot of times, the blame for something.
That's common.
alex jones
I grew up not just him, but other family.
It was something special.
How about those Navy SEAL guys?
You've got security done a bunch of crazy stuff.
That's what our military does.
It's not what you hear on the news.
And it's just completely out of control stuff.
And I mean, my uncle told me, he said, yeah, I know I got out of working for these groups and everything.
As an army officer that was sheep dipped.
He wasn't wearing an army uniform.
We were talking high level.
We were talking running the real stuff.
tim dillon
Special ops.
alex jones
He was in charge.
He had the command base in Guatemala City.
He was a top Morse code guy.
Of course, he had satellites then, but nobody could read this Morse code coded.
So he was sending stuff to the White House Morse code.
When he was a kid, he was a champion Morse coder.
So he wasn't just in command.
He was running all the stuff.
He just said, I had to do it because it was kids being smuggled out of orphanages By the CIA for sex ops in D.C. Jesus Christ!
And he told me that when he was dying of pneumonia.
tim dillon
Jesus!
Fuck!
joe rogan
Now, what is it with kids?
tim dillon
It's the way to compromise people.
alex jones
It's the energy, too.
I mean, if somebody will hurt kids and he wouldn't.
If somebody will hurt kids, they'll do anything.
joe rogan
But that's what everyone's so terrified of today, right?
That there are some sex trafficking and sex cults involving high-level people.
And they are, though, but that's a fact.
tim dillon
The QAnon shit gets wild, and it's sloppy and messy.
And you've talked about that, too.
It gets sloppy and messy, and they're not right about everything.
But the idea there are human trafficking...
The entire reason...
alex jones
QAnon is just people on the internet...
tim dillon
They're like playing games.
alex jones
LARPing, acting like they're taking credit for something.
And a lot of them are good people.
It's just that you can give them bonafide, like, look, they just busted a giant child trafficking ring, Associated Press.
They don't want that.
They want, no, there's underground bases, and there's dinosaurs, and there's aliens.
joe rogan
They don't want the real shit.
alex jones
They don't want the real thing.
joe rogan
So is it that they're just into things that are just huge, more ridiculous than reality?
Like, what is...
alex jones
Yeah, because it's escapism, and Hillary's in prison secretly.
joe rogan
Oh, right.
tim dillon
I think they just learned about the world over the last year, and it melted their mind.
Like, you've been looking at this stuff forever.
alex jones
When you were on with Joe a few months ago, you crystallized it perfectly.
They've been asleep, now they've woken up, and now they think everything's a cartoon version.
Well, say it like you said.
tim dillon
Yeah, well, it was just like, again, it's like if you didn't know anything about the Franklin scandal, you didn't know about Epstein, or you hadn't read these books, you didn't know the stories your uncle told you, and then eventually you just found out there was an island where all these politicians were going to and having sex with kids and they were getting compromised, your mind would melt and then you would get paranoid and then you would start thinking that everybody's a pedophile and that there's tunnels underground when the reality is it is bad,
but sometimes you have to take a step back and take a breath and realize that, like, There are good people, and not everybody is evil, but there is a lot of evil out there.
But you've got to take a step back and try to realize, like, what is what?
joe rogan
Well, there's one picture of Clinton getting massaged by this woman, and they were using it as sort of evidence.
But the woman's clearly a woman.
She's in her 20s.
alex jones
Yeah, but she'd been working for him since she was, like, 15. Let's never use Clinton as the example of the QAnon people being wrong.
joe rogan
That's not even what I'm saying.
tim dillon
There it is.
joe rogan
That's a grown woman.
She's a grown-up, yeah.
alex jones
Listen, let's be clear.
The media did a limited hangout.
They went with these whistleblowers instead of all the other people.
And the fact that the witnesses reported at Epstein Island in the Caribbean, Little St. George, and he on the other island too, that boats would pull up in the middle of the night to these shacks with little brown kids.
And those are the ones that get disappeared.
joe rogan
But who reported this?
alex jones
It's in major documentaries.
It's in Netflix documentaries.
It's in all the witnesses we talked to.
And they said, my witnesses, my people I talked to over 10 years ago said, remember me telling you about it, they've got an island in the Caribbean.
They've got an island in the Mediterranean.
They've got ranches in the Southwest.
joe rogan
Well, he had a ranch in New Mexico, right?
alex jones
Yeah, that came out later.
I wasn't told exactly where.
tim dillon
I mean, the idea that these kids would disappear potentially isn't crazy.
joe rogan
No, it's not crazy at all.
tim dillon
It's not crazy at all.
alex jones
Here's an example.
I was told by a high-level source that major Hollywood producers, by name, ran a cult where they branded women Next to their vagina.
joe rogan
The Nixxiom thing.
alex jones
But I put it out two years before it broke, because I was told this by a high-level source.
joe rogan
I remember you talking to me about it.
alex jones
And then they even had articles going in Huffington Post.
Jones claims Harvey Weinstein's connected to groups that do all this, and...
I was just going off what people told me, and I said, I didn't even say Weinstein.
That's what's crazy is, they were already trying to cover it in case I said that.
They're like, oh, Weinstein's not involved in branding women.
Well, it never even came out he was.
It was the other guy.
joe rogan
But what you said did turn out to be true.
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
As fantastic as it sounded, as outrageous, as ridiculous, it turned out to be true, and now it's in the news.
alex jones
First time I ever heard of Ted Gunderson.
Let me pull him up, Ted Gunderson.
It's on Wikipedia, up to the FBI director.
He was the head of LA. Imagine what he learned there.
He used to tell me, he goes, man, I've been in the FBI 20 years.
I got to be the head of LA. He goes, I guess devil worshiping everywhere.
Blew me away.
Pedophilia, you name it.
He knew about the Manson thing really being a satanic ritual.
tim dillon
And there was a senator from Nebraska named John DeCamp, who I know- Who he was friends with.
Who he was friends with.
And John DeCamp was a guy who, he blew the whole thing wide open.
He was CIA. He blew the whole thing wide open.
Was DeCamp CIA? No, he told me.
alex jones
I was friends with him.
tim dillon
He was one of the good ones.
alex jones
He was involved in Operation Phoenix.
tim dillon
And then they killed...
Well, that was his mentor.
So DeCamp's mentor was a guy who was a high-level CIA guy.
Jamie could pull that up.
He was in a Phoenix operation, and he was killed.
alex jones
In the canoe.
tim dillon
In the canoe.
And the dinner was still on the table.
joe rogan
He was killed in a canoe?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim dillon
Yeah, this was a high-level CIA guy.
John DeCamp was a Nebraska senator who broke open this human trafficking operation.
By the way, I'm having a pedophile cult.
It was trafficking kids across America, and it was a senator out of the Omaha Federal Credit Union.
It was being run by a guy named Larry King, who was this rising star in the Republican Party.
He's probably still alive.
He has pictures of Maureen Reagan, all that stuff.
These kids were being trafficked to D.C., to L.A., to New York, wherever.
DeCamp stumbled upon this, stumbled upon the occult weird ritual shit going on too, in addition to the pedophilia and all that.
And then he went to this guy, his mentor, who we knew from Vietnam, from the military, who was a CIA guy whose name is escaping me.
jamie vernon
William Colby.
tim dillon
William Colby, he went to William Colby, and William Colby basically said to the camp, listen, you're going up against forces that are way too powerful.
You don't even know what you're knocking on here.
And then William Colby, I think, changed his mind and said, fuck it, you know what?
We should stop doing, like, let's, if we're going to fight this, let's fight it.
And then a little while later, William Colby, who is in great health, great shape, has an accident in his canoe, is found dead.
In a river right by his house with his dinner still on the table.
So it's like nobody gets up in the middle of the dinner to go canoeing.
So this has been a common theme forever, whereas if you go against these people, you find you're dead.
joe rogan
He was 76 when he drowned, though.
tim dillon
Yeah, but in a canoe while his dinner was still on the table.
joe rogan
Sometimes people have heart attacks when they're 76. I understand that.
I understand that.
We're connecting dots here that maybe we don't need to disclose.
Okay.
William Colby, director of Central Intelligence, chose to disclose some of the nation's darkest secrets to save the spy service he loved, drowned on April 27th in a tributary of...
alex jones
I've talked to folks.
They killed him.
tim dillon
They killed him.
He was 76. How about Gary Caridori, who was a private investigator, hired to get to the bottom of the Franklin scandal.
alex jones
It's like Barry Seale, man.
They're getting rid of the people.
tim dillon
They just get rid of them.
alex jones
All right, so listen.
We've done Bohemian Grove.
We've done Bohemian Grove.
Let me tell you.
Senator DeCamp was on record running major-level Operation Phoenix.
Which was a high-level CIA torture operation and execution operation.
So Apocalypse Now is kind of based on some of the things they did.
But he's on record, highly decorated at that.
joe rogan
I don't want to go too far away from the Epstein thing because I still have a whole lot more questions.
alex jones
Let's go back to Epstein.
joe rogan
Okay.
The island itself.
Like, first of all, Epstein had this crazy place in New York City.
alex jones
Seven-story palace.
joe rogan
That the guy who owned Victoria's Secrets, he gave it to him?
alex jones
Yeah, because of probably blackmailing.
joe rogan
Right.
And then there was other billionaires who had turned out, and this had been glossed over.
alex jones
Including Bill Gates.
Bill Gates stays there and tried to deny it, but Bill Gates denies staying with Epstein, but confirmed he stayed there and in his Paris home.
joe rogan
Okay.
And this was also, he met with him post his first arrest, correct?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Because he was arrested.
tim dillon
Yeah, a lot of people did.
Chelsea Handler had dinner with him, I believe, after the arrest, too.
I mean, a lot of people looked past that, apparently.
alex jones
Yeah, that British royal.
joe rogan
Okay, Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein many times, despite his past.
alex jones
I gotta say, Jamie's really fast.
joe rogan
He's the best.
tim dillon
He's the best.
joe rogan
So, let's go back to this.
alex jones
Mary Tim Dillon?
tim dillon
Epstein had a huge interest in tech.
He loved tech.
joe rogan
Yes.
tim dillon
Yes, and he wanted to.
He brought scientists and big tech people over his house in New York City.
alex jones
Here's the deal.
They were doing...
I said this over 10 years ago, that they were involved in secret breeding programs for cloning.
joe rogan
Okay, before we get to that.
Scientists.
Where are they getting all the money, first of all?
Where's he getting the money to get this island?
Where's he getting the money to buy this giant house?
alex jones
We now know that he was a nexus point from the dirty sides of the CIA, MI6, and Mossad, at least.
And so they were compromising people.
And then as he would compromise people...
Most of them knew they were being compromised.
They wanted to be compromised, to be let in to then run operations and be given even more money.
tim dillon
He was also the money manager for a guy named Les Wexner, who's a billionaire who owns Victoria's Secret and the Limited, among other things.
He was gifting Epstein a property.
He gave him a $70 million.
alex jones
Well, that's where he got some of the first money.
joe rogan
Well, Eric Weinstein, who's a legit financial guy, looked at him and said, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
alex jones
Of course not.
joe rogan
He said he's playing a role.
He met with him.
tim dillon
Scientists were like that, too, when they went to his house.
They go, oh, Epstein is playing a role.
Yes.
So whatever he's doing, he's working for somebody.
alex jones
Well, let me tell you.
They want to corrupt the scientific elite to go along with their agenda on climate change.
To go along with their agenda on viruses.
To go along with their agenda because scientists are respected.
So you want to have them compromise so they go along with whatever it is you want.
joe rogan
So whatever it is you want.
So if you want to do something and manipulate reality to make your agenda go through...
You compromise the scientists, and then these elite experts who you have on film having sex with 16-year-olds, then you can...
alex jones
Yeah, so maybe man-made global warming is real and really bad.
It doesn't matter.
The solution they have is a global tax.
You pay them, so it's a scam.
But as big as Epstein was, he was small compared to these other finders groups and other organizations.
They even came out in the news at the time in the late 80s, early 90s.
And then the communist Chinese, they're running...
The blackmail rings with Hunter Biden and the Democratic Party and Dianne Feinstein and all these people at levels way, way, way above anything anybody else has seen.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tim dillon
I always got a bad feeling from Dianne Feinstein.
joe rogan
I never had any feeling.
alex jones
Turned out her main assistant was a Chinese actual agent.
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean, that's...
joe rogan
Glenn Maxwell Powell pleads for release, says, jailed heiress, starving, and humiliating clothes.
tim dillon
And that's unfair for her, and I think, I mean...
One of the latest statements.
alex jones
You should give her...
Oh, oh, she...
I mean, on record, this woman was involved in all these horrible things, and now, oh my God, she's in humiliating clothes.
joe rogan
Why do you think Trump said, like, when they asked her about it, well, I wish her well?
alex jones
He's always smart-ass, like, because Epstein was killed in prison.
So he's like, I wish her well, because they want to get data.
tim dillon
He's also like a rich guy.
He knew her, right?
alex jones
Well, he later clarified it.
I'll tell you what he said.
tim dillon
Do you think Trump's cleaning everything in this?
alex jones
Oh, you want to get the M.O. on Trump?
tim dillon
Well, I would like to, because I know that you're...
alex jones
I'll give you.
No, no.
tim dillon
Here we go.
alex jones
My only superpower is that I really try to give you the accurate thing.
It doesn't mean I'm always right about 95% of the time.
That's why earlier when I went on that rabbit troll, what I'm saying, listen, Trump doesn't like lobbyists.
He fired them all.
He's trying to make the best decisions for everybody in a pragmatic free market to not have one-sided trade deals.
But his blindside was by him not letting lobbyists in, everyone around him became unofficial lobbyists.
That became a 20-minute rabbit hole, which I'm not bitching about.
But let me tell you about Trump.
Trump's dad was a super right-wing pro-America dude who was actually a huge funder of the John Birch Society.
Introduced him to the head of the House Un-American Activities Group that worked for Nixon and Eisenhower that actually ran the Red Scare.
Some of it was good, some of it was bad.
Roy Cohen.
And so his personal lawyer for 25 years was Roy Cohen.
tim dillon
Joe McCarthy's best friend, right?
alex jones
Joe McCarthy's chief of staff.
tim dillon
Chief of staff, yeah.
alex jones
I mean, he ran it.
tim dillon
He ran it, yeah.
alex jones
He ran House and Senate.
He was the big enchilada.
And so Trump was actually heavily influenced by his father that was anti-communist, acted nice and liberal in New York, but knew all this.
John Burt Society, we're talking whole nine yards.
tim dillon
But wasn't Roy Cohn also involved in some blackmail stuff?
alex jones
Oh, he was huge.
tim dillon
Okay.
alex jones
Absolutely.
And it was the whole gay mafia stuff.
tim dillon
Right, right, right, right.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, you guys are deep.
You're deep in this, Tim.
tim dillon
I know this.
Yeah, I know this.
Well, it's all facts.
I fell asleep listening.
Every night, I would fall asleep.
I'd listen to everybody in half an hour, and then I would trail off.
And I would fall asleep.
And now I can't do that anymore!
Thank you, YouTube!
joe rogan
You can, Infowars.com.
tim dillon
I know.
alex jones
We're halfway into this, I should say.
People ask, where...
People come to the street and say, I used to love you.
I'm sorry you're off air now.
We have record traffic at Infowars.com and banned.video.
Banned.video.
We have videos.
I've had videos this week with three million views, two million views, a million views.
tim dillon
It's all there.
Ben Avery watches Infowars.com like during holidays.
His family would be having Christmas.
He'll be in a room watching Infowars.
joe rogan
So speaking of censorship, YouTube and Facebook have now banned all the QAnon stuff, right?
tim dillon
Which is crazy.
joe rogan
Well, this is what's crazy.
What's next?
Are you going to ban JFK conspiracy theories?
tim dillon
Well, if I make a joke about QAnon, am I going to get banned?
That's the other problem for comedians.
alex jones
But it's like you said, the Young Turks show.
Well, let's just first talk about the Young Turks.
joe rogan
What is the show?
alex jones
The Jacobins.
joe rogan
Because Tim Dillon had put the show...
I'm going to send it to you, Jamie, so you can see what it is.
I'm going to send you the video that Tim Dillon...
Tim Pool.
Tim Pool had sent me.
I'm going to send it to you right now, Jamie.
alex jones
So let me explain this.
The Young Turds are anti-free speech for everybody, including me.
And then she goes, but I'm not anti-free speech.
I just want Alex Jones banned.
But then they have this new show called The Jacobins.
Well, let's talk about evil.
The Young Turks were the group that ran the Armenian Genocide.
They ran the Armenian Genocide on record until over a million and a half Christians.
They named themselves the Young Turks.
They go, oh, we don't know what that means.
Now they're called the Jacobins.
The Jacobins ran the French Revolution and were the Illuminati.
I told you about them earlier.
So it's like every name they've got is like the Hitler Youth, basically.
I mean, you know, the Young Turks...
joe rogan
That is a very unfortunate name, the Young Turks.
tim dillon
Well, they also...
People run around with...
You know, the people that watch a lot of those shows walk around with either the Che Guevara shirts or they're unironically calling themselves Maoists.
These are like suburban white kids walking around going, I'm a Maoist.
alex jones
With $800 smartphones.
joe rogan
That is a problem, too.
alex jones
It's absurd.
joe rogan
I think they're trying to do good and I think they think they are doing good.
I really do.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I think when they thought that, hey, I'm not anti-free speech, but ban Alex Jones, they just don't understand what that means.
There's a reason why you can't just go around censoring people.
And again, the answer to bad speech is better speech.
That has always been the answer.
alex jones
But here's the big problem.
Once they silence you, they can then make up whatever they want.
joe rogan
But here's what's worse, Alex, and this is you personally, but the problem is when they silence someone, when they censor someone, and then that person's not the target anymore, they look for another target and they invariably go left.
alex jones
Exactly.
They get on a power trip.
joe rogan
But hold on a second.
The left is not left enough.
So if you're a centrist, they'll call you alt-right.
Because you need to be compliant completely with the ideology.
If you're not compliant, they keep moving what's acceptable and what constitutes racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, transgenderism.
It's a power grab.
But they keep changing it.
tim dillon
They move the line.
joe rogan
Orwell talked about this in 1984. He was like, if you ban all the words, you will literally...
You will change thoughts because you can't have all the...
I forget Orwell's words on hate speech.
alex jones
Reducing language.
He said they want to reduce the language where no one's even able to communicate and that's the goal.
So we think of it as a leftist thing that's out of control.
No, this is a science...
joe rogan
I paraphrased it and I fucked it up.
But the point is, what they didn't see...
They didn't use hindsight.
They didn't...
alex jones
It's called Ingsoc.
joe rogan
It's so hard to talk with you.
What they didn't do is they didn't look to where this goes.
I do.
They didn't look to where this goes.
They didn't understand.
They didn't extrapolate.
They didn't say...
tim dillon
Or maybe some of them did and some of them wanted to go where it's going.
joe rogan
If you start censoring, there's a real...
And I know people are saying, no, you should censor people that say terrible things because they influence our children.
You can't.
alex jones
But Joe, it's a power grab.
They get off.
Once they've got one scalp, they're going to scalp everybody, including themselves.
joe rogan
I understand that's the motivation of the people that are doing it.
That's not what I'm concerned with.
What I'm concerned with is the problem itself.
Because you keep finding a new target.
You keep finding a new person who's doing something that's incorrect.
alex jones
That's what I'm saying.
They don't want to give up.
They want more, more, more.
joe rogan
But it's not that they're trying to grab power.
Look, you've started a game.
alex jones
They're losers and want to control reality because they're projecting their own hatred of themselves on us.
tim dillon
You don't think part of it is that they want power to control the discussion?
joe rogan
There's most certainly a part of that.
That's human nature.
alex jones
But Joe, you just said I'm hard to deal with.
joe rogan
Well, because you talk over people.
When they're talking, you don't let them get the full...
alex jones
You've been talking a lot.
joe rogan
You don't let people get a full thought out.
I do it too.
alex jones
How the censors are good?
joe rogan
What I was saying is he's talking and you jump in.
And the problem is, I know you have some things to say, but then you fuck with the thing that's coming out of the other person's mouth.
alex jones
Okay, explain to me how the censors are loving people.
That's what you're trying to do.
joe rogan
I'm not saying they love people.
I'm saying they're not looking at it correctly.
Because the way they're looking at it, they think they're doing a good thing and they're going to usher forth some utopian world of communication where people are only saying the things they agree with.
The problem with that is you don't find out who's right unless you get everybody talking.
alex jones
I agree.
But Joe, it's worse than that.
joe rogan
You can't have an echo chamber.
It's dangerous.
Echo chambers are dangerous.
And what tech has done is created these left-wing ideological echo chambers.
alex jones
I totally agree.
joe rogan
And they're also forcing people into self-censorship.
Because if you don't comply with the rules that they've set forth, then you get banned so you comply.
And you find people...
unidentified
It's a cult.
joe rogan
It is a cult.
Ideologically.
alex jones
How about I talk like this?
joe rogan
Listen, it is a cult.
alex jones
Joe.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of these cults.
unidentified
Joe, what I'm trying to say to you is you've never been not smoking weed with me on air.
joe rogan
I know, it's a bummer.
We should have had you come in a week.
alex jones
You're angry.
You're upset.
tim dillon
I'll be here during the election.
joe rogan
I wanted you to be on before the election.
tim dillon
Who do you think is going to win, by the way?
alex jones
Donald Trump is going to win.
joe rogan
You think so?
alex jones
But then the Democrats are going to contest it.
We're going to have the 79 days of hell.
joe rogan
Why are all the polls showing that Joe Biden is in the lead?
Do you think it's all bullshit?
alex jones
Just like last time they said Hillary was going to win.
joe rogan
Yeah, but these are the post-election polls.
alex jones
Joe, what I want to do is talk to you right now.
joe rogan
Why are you talking like that?
tim dillon
He's a conspiracy phone sex operator.
unidentified
Let me talk about what a sexy man you are right now.
joe rogan
He's the only one here drunk.
This is a real problem.
alex jones
I am channeling Tim Dillon.
joe rogan
That's not how Tim Dillon talks.
alex jones
Tim Dillon's looking at you right now.
tim dillon
Do you really think that Trump is going to win?
Because it's close.
alex jones
No, he's going to win big.
tim dillon
Interesting.
Really?
alex jones
But they're going to think that.
I was not trying to interrupt you earlier.
joe rogan
Well, this is how you talk.
It's okay.
This is how you talk.
alex jones
Joe, you've talked twice as much in our last four-hour podcast.
I love it.
This is the sober Joe Rogan.
Let's get back to this.
joe rogan
Trump.
alex jones
What were we arguing about about political correctness?
joe rogan
I don't know, but you were saying that we weren't arguing.
tim dillon
He was saying that the censors...
I was agreeing with you.
The censors, some of the censors are trying to do the right things.
Yes.
And that you were saying, listen, it's deeper than that, and then that's where we left off.
alex jones
Scientifically set up where they always say, oh, we're for outliers now and dog whistles.
It's all about normalizing centralized control.
Big tech knows it's psychological algorithms.
It's totally destructive.
China that has people in Muslims in death camps, Christians in death camps, Buddhists in death camps.
He's trying to totally normalize censorship here domestically when the whole left is involved with Communist China through big tech and doesn't say a word about them.
They have no moral high ground to stand on, Joe.
joe rogan
Well, we have a real problem in this society when it comes to tech, first of all, because all the people that are on the moral high ground who are buying iPhones, you know where those things are being made.
Like, we all know.
tim dillon
Everybody knows.
alex jones
And I admit it.
I admit it.
joe rogan
I admit it as well.
There's no iPhones that are being made in Ohio with highly skilled workers that are paid an excellent wage, and they have great healthcare benefits.
That's not what's happening.
I don't know why, but that's not what's happening.
They've decided that it's better to make them cheaper or better to have a higher profit margin and make them in other countries.
Or at least they decided that initially and now they're stuck.
alex jones
Let me ask you this.
Who do you think is going to win?
I will be very subdued now since I'm bad.
joe rogan
Joe Jorgensen.
tim dillon
Yeah, I think Joe Jorgensen has a great shot.
joe rogan
She's a shoo-in.
And then Kanye West.
tim dillon
I think Joe Jorgensen, Kanye West.
I think it's neck and neck.
joe rogan
You know what drives me crazy?
tim dillon
I think it's neck and neck, right?
joe rogan
Jennifer Aniston, she made a tweet that said...
alex jones
What drives me crazy is you're hating me right now because you're not drinking.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
There was a fucking hilarious response by Kanye West.
She said Jennifer Aniston put on Twitter, hey, it's not funny to vote in for Kanye.
Don't do it.
And he goes, Friends wasn't funny either.
Hilarious.
tim dillon
He's right.
joe rogan
He's right.
tim dillon
That's great.
alex jones
Friends was not funny.
joe rogan
But you see the two of them together.
Friends was a funny show.
alex jones
Joe, you were great on Friends.
joe rogan
I wasn't on Friends.
tim dillon
That's a joke. - Who do you think?
Do you think Trump?
joe rogan
I don't know.
alex jones
If you were a friend's character, who would you beat?
joe rogan
I'd probably be Matt LeBlanc, right?
alex jones
Then you'd beat Jennifer Aniston.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Who is Matt LeBlanc?
His name is Joey.
tim dillon
Jennifer is the most successful.
alex jones
I identify as Jennifer Aniston.
joe rogan
He was dumb.
I'm dumb.
Perfect.
alex jones
Wouldn't you like to have a dentist like Jennifer Aniston in Horrible Bosses?
joe rogan
She was a dentist?
What did she do?
Molest her patients when they were under?
Okay.
Well, you could be molested by worse people.
alex jones
Well, they're not kids.
joe rogan
But I just think it's funny that someone who's an actor would say that.
Like, this thing that they feel like they have this influence and they're going to change the way people vote.
tim dillon
This 80 days of hell you speak of, what does that entail?
Just so I can mentally prepare myself.
alex jones
79 days of hell.
tim dillon
79 days of hell.
alex jones
79 days without Joe Rogan.
tim dillon
What's going to happen?
alex jones
79 days of us locked up in here with cases of whiskey?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And huge piles of marijuana.
unidentified
He's lit!
joe rogan
He's lit!
alex jones
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You're a little lit, buddy.
alex jones
I don't actually...
joe rogan
I could see that bottle, and it was a fresh bottle when you sat down.
alex jones
No, that's fake.
That's Hollywood.
joe rogan
That's not Hollywood.
We're in Texas.
I gave up Hollywood years ago.
I haven't worked in Hollywood in a long time.
alex jones
Let's talk about this.
What were you just asking?
joe rogan
I don't know.
tim dillon
79 days of hell.
If the Democrats contest the election.
alex jones
Problem.
See, this is not fair.
79 days of hell.
That's how many days there are after November 3rd to the inauguration.
And John Podesta in the New York Times, they had a big war game where the New York Times sat in on a Democrat high-level war game with Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and all of them.
And they said, we're going to contest.
We think we're going to win.
But if we lose, we're still going to contest.
And we're going to contest, and we're going to call for the U.N. to come there and occupy the U.S. The U.N. is going to occupy the U.S.? And then the New York Times came out and said, we need the U.N., To intervene in the U.S. election, and now the Four Horsemen just called for that yesterday.
tim dillon
Jesus.
alex jones
And so they are planning to have...
joe rogan
Who's the Four Horsemen?
alex jones
AOC and the rest of the crew.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
I thought that's the tribe.
alex jones
Anyways, and so they're planning to have Western states secede.
And they're saying they're going to hold the election up.
You already saw this.
They already denied the last election.
joe rogan
They can take Portland.
tim dillon
Yeah, take it all.
Take a lot of the West.
alex jones
This is the 79 days of hell.
Let me ask you this.
tim dillon
Who cares?
alex jones
When did you decide to try to escape California?
joe rogan
Well, I told you.
The looting.
When the looting hit, I had zero faith in their ability to maintain law and order.
Because if you're going to pay all that money in taxes, I feel like you should at least feel like they're protecting things.
And when they were just letting them smash windows and cops were told to stand down, particularly in Santa Monica, there was direct orders and the sheriff was being widely criticized for this.
They were told to stand down while these people were smashing and looting things.
When they were doing that, I was like, well, you can't live in a place where that's being tolerated.
Because this goes from stores to, you know, they'll move to nightclubs, they'll move to restaurants, they'll decide what they're going to smash.
It had nothing to do with George Floyd.
tim dillon
No.
joe rogan
It had nothing to do with him.
alex jones
I agree.
joe rogan
Those restaurants, those stores, had nothing to do with George Floyd.
alex jones
And now, like in Minnesota, Minneapolis...
The crime rate's like triple.
The police won't even show up.
They're like, people are like, why are you even paying you?
So what do you think, both of you...
Mr. Dillon, what is the end game of this?
joe rogan
I'm going to finish my answer, because I'm not done yet.
It was also that there was restrictions that were put in place that didn't make any sense to me.
There's restrictions for restaurants, restrictions for comedy clubs, restrictions for gyms.
Like, why can't you just wear a mask?
alex jones
Why are churches closed, but Walmart's open?
joe rogan
Well, why are churches closed, but why is it okay to protest?
Why is everybody letting people protest?
Why aren't they saying, listen, I understand your want and desire to protest, but understand that you're most likely contributing to the spread of this virus?
Because that's a fact.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Even if you support the protests.
tim dillon
I agree.
Yeah, the end game seems to be if you let society get bad enough, people will then accept all these more draconian security measures and censorship across the board with tech.
joe rogan
Do you think that's what's going on with California?
Like, why do you think they've kept California locked down this much?
alex jones
They want to kill the U.S. economy.
China's been open for six months.
They admit it's leaked out that they're doing this to kill the U.S. economy.
joe rogan
It's leaked out how?
alex jones
It's come out.
Democratic Party reports.
It's been stated.
You heard Democrats all over the news say we want a depression to make Trump look bad.
joe rogan
Who said this?
alex jones
Bill Maher.
joe rogan
Yeah, but Bill Maher is not a part of the Democratic Party.
He's a comic.
alex jones
I know, but I used a public...
joe rogan
Bill Maher, but he jokes around about that.
Like, look, we can crash the economy.
alex jones
Okay, well, regardless, when Jews try to, or Baptists in New York try to have an event, the police show up and arrest them.
But then when Antifa or BLM was around and burned stuff down, the mayor said it's great.
And the mayor said, de Blasio said, this is legitimate.
Antifa is legitimate.
Your church isn't.
Your synagogue isn't.
So it's power.
It's selective enforcement.
It's martial law.
I have articles right here because everything I brought today, I have the proof.
ABC News is reporting in blue cities in Texas that they're going to come to your house and demand a COVID test, and if you don't, they're going to arrest you.
Well, the federal and state courts have ruled they can't do that.
joe rogan
Where's that being said?
alex jones
El Paso, Texas, and other areas.
joe rogan
But I want to bring you back to what you're saying about Crash the Economy.
You used Bill Maher as an example, and I just don't think that's a credible example because he's a comic.
alex jones
Well, he said that.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he's a comic and he's not a politician.
alex jones
Comics have bigger coverage than news people now.
That's what Cobert and all them pose as news people.
joe rogan
Alex, you're...
You can't use him as an example of someone who's a politician who is calling for the economy to crash.
tim dillon
Strategically, if I was a Democrat, I wouldn't want things to open up again until Trump was out, right?
joe rogan
Agreed.
tim dillon
I mean, that's strategic.
unidentified
Agreed.
joe rogan
If you didn't want the economy to return.
alex jones
China wants us shut down.
China admits they're using the virus to keep us shut down.
tim dillon
Do you think he's a bioweapon?
alex jones
I could give you an hour-long treatise on COVID-19.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll get to that momentarily.
alex jones
I don't want to anger you, though.
No, I love being here.
I'll sit here and tell fart jokes if you want.
I'd rather get drunk and just have a good time.
joe rogan
Before we get to that, you said something that I want you to back up.
You said that the Democrats are trying.
I'm not denying the possibility that this is the case.
But this seems like if that was the case, it would be a grand conspiracy that would at least have...
You'd have to have some evidence of this to make that statement.
That they're trying or they want to crash the economy because they want to maintain power and to change censorship and to change...
alex jones
Okay, we've had Governor Newsom, we've had Governor...
tim dillon
Cuomo.
alex jones
...Witmer, Cuomo, exactly, all say...
The economy isn't going to be open because Trump's done a bad job.
We're not going to open until he's gone.
And Whitmer's even come out.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Newsom has openly said that.
You sure?
alex jones
Yeah, type it in.
joe rogan
But what do you think he's said?
Listen, I'm a critic of Newsom because he's become an autocrat.
alex jones
He keeps his wineries open.
joe rogan
But there's a lot of issues, right?
There's a lot of issues.
They close so many things.
alex jones
Joe, Joe, Joe.
Globalism was about selling America off and bankrupting us under Cloward and Piven's strategies.
joe rogan
That's fine, but don't change the subject.
alex jones
I'm not.
joe rogan
Specifically what Newsom has said.
alex jones
They can pull it up, just like I told you about the AT&T deal.
joe rogan
But what did he say that you think...
And again, I'm not a fan of him.
I'm a critic.
Listen, I think you've got to give people, grown adults, the choice.
Look, we don't have overrun hospitals.
We don't have people dying in record numbers.
alex jones
We don't have 5% death rates.
We don't have 1%.
joe rogan
They keep saying the cases and the deaths are increasing.
That is true.
But as long as there's a disease, they're going to increase.
The question is, at what rate?
And the people that are dying, how many of them have comorbidity factors?
alex jones
It's never about the death rate.
It's always about increased infection because the death rate's way down.
joe rogan
The death rate is way down.
alex jones
As soon as the winter hits, they're going to say it's flu.
joe rogan
Alex, you get me again.
When you say the deaths increase, that is going to happen.
The question is, by what rate?
And how many?
Right?
alex jones
You take the normal flu and pneumonia and morbidity, like they did this year, and you add that to the number.
They've already run the same scam.
They don't count flu as a death or pneumonia anymore.
They all count it COVID because they get money on the chart.
They get $50,000 plus when they call it a COVID death plus when they say that.
They get $13,000 to say it's a COVID patient, and they get $29,000 or whatever extra when they intubate somebody.
And so now, since when is Congress saying how to do medicine?
joe rogan
Well, isn't the idea that they're doing this to give money to these hospitals to help them in the middle of a pandemic?
alex jones
Yeah, but then the hospitals code everything as COVID to get the money.
That's come out.
Most people that died, died in nursing homes or died from intubation when it's an autoimmune event and you don't want intubation.
It's intubation that's killing people.
joe rogan
But they initially thought you did have to have it because it was respiratory disease.
alex jones
And thank God the numbers went down because they stopped intubating.
So now it's all about everyone's being...
Before, there's this high death rate because they were intubating and they were killing old people.
As soon as they stopped shipping folks to old homes that weren't getting vitamin D because there was no sun, it went like this.
So infections like this, you can pull up the graphs, you're like, what's your science?
Pull it up.
Infections like this, deaths like this.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, you're going up and down, right?
Deaths down.
Now, what did Gavin Newsom say, though, when you said that he said it's not going to get better until Trump's out of office?
alex jones
Well, it's Whitmer that said that specifically, and he said Cuomo, because I remember that too.
But he was just basically like, well, I want to be friends with Trump.
There's been a bad response.
We've got to keep the lockdown going.
And, you know, until Trump does this wrong, until we have a change, it's going to continue on.
And then it's always about the power grab.
Like, oh, it's two years.
We have to do it.
First, it's 15 days to keep the hospitals empty.
And then it's...
Then it's, oh, six months, and now it's two years, and then Gates said, like a week ago, it's ten years, and now they've got the people, Fauci and others, saying, no, it never ends.
You never shake hands, and under the UN rules, they say, don't look at someone and turn your head.
So in Europe, you can type this in, Citizens in the UK told, do not look at other people and turn your head.
It's cult programming, man.
tim dillon
I think it's a pretty common talking point.
And some people agree with it.
Like, a lot of Democrats would say, yeah, it's not going to get better until Trump is out because Trump has made a mess of it.
I don't think Trump's done the best.
alex jones
Yeah, that's what he said.
tim dillon
But that's a common talking point.
joe rogan
What could he have done better?
alex jones
He's done better.
He shut down flights from China in February when Pelosi's running around in Chinatown saying, damn.
tim dillon
I think it's a pretty common belief that they're saying, listen, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
I don't think you have to find a source.
I think it's like they believe that it won't get better until he's gone.
So I don't think they actively are trying to make it better until he's gone.
alex jones
You see what I mean?
They want to keep the crisis going.
joe rogan
I do see what you're saying.
I just want to know if there's evidence.
I want to know if there's an actual statement where he said, when Trump leaves, then we'll open back up.
alex jones
That's actually what Whitmer said specifically, but he said some more things.
joe rogan
I'm going from memory here.
I understand, but that's why I'm challenging you on this.
I'm challenging you on this because...
alex jones
Give me this event letter.
joe rogan
People online are going to want to challenge you on this.
tim dillon
Right.
alex jones
Well, that's what they loved about our last interview over a year and a half ago, which they loved, was that people could go and actually check the stuff I was saying, no matter how crazy.
joe rogan
Yes, and a lot of it is true.
So I want to find that quote now.
See if Whitmer said that it won't get better until Trump's out of office, in terms of the lockdown, restrictions.
unidentified
Yeah, Whitmer.
alex jones
Whitmer, lockdown won't end until Trump's out.
joe rogan
Didn't she lose some court case recently?
alex jones
Yes.
The Hearst Supreme Court, but also federal courts have ruled across the country that you can't order churches to wear masks.
You can't order social distancing.
It's all just getting us to comply.
joe rogan
Don't you think it's a good idea to encourage people to wear masks if they're going into large gatherings?
alex jones
A lot of studies show that it doesn't even protect you.
Listen, Trump told the truth a few days ago when he came out and he said, we're never going to control this.
We have to learn herd immunity, or if you're really scared of it, take a vaccine.
And the head epidemiologist of Rockefeller...
A hospital came out and said that and got banned on YouTube.
tim dillon
I mean, listen, Italy did social distancing.
Italy did masks.
Italy did everything you were supposed to do, and they're getting clobbered again.
So that makes me think that maybe it's not a bad idea to do these things, but they don't seem to prevent a second wave.
alex jones
Sweden didn't do any of it, and it's the lowest death rate in Europe.
joe rogan
Right, but it's also a country of small villages.
They have a whole different way of life over there.
alex jones
Well, I mean, Italy is a bunch of three generations living in one house.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem.
alex jones
And they're the oldest people in Europe.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
alex jones
So, yeah, they need sunlight.
They smoke.
joe rogan
They're awesome.
unidentified
They eat good food.
joe rogan
Try finding a gym over there.
tim dillon
Jesus Christ.
They smoke on the treadmill.
joe rogan
Every time I fucking go there, it's hard to find a gym.
alex jones
Listen, exactly.
tim dillon
Enjoy your life.
alex jones
Joe, I came out eight months ago, and I was selling the stuff, but I said, get it at the store.
Vitamin D, vitamin C, and zinc.
If you have that on the NIH website, it can't, according to the NIH website, cannot replicate inside the mitochondria where the virus plugs into the cell and makes it replicate.
Okay?
And so I just, I mean, like, Jones claims he's got a cure.
No, it's not a cure.
If you've got sunlight and zinc and vitamin C and all these things you need, it's very hard to get these things.
That's why it's old people in nursing homes that haven't been outside in years that are dying so easily.
Now, Fauci finally, two months ago, came out and said, you need vitamin D, you need vitamin C, you need zinc.
joe rogan
Well, that is true.
And young Jamie takes vitamin D and he kicked it in a day.
jamie vernon
And vitamin C and zinc.
joe rogan
Young Jamie was feeling bad for a day.
alex jones
But I don't want to argue, Joe.
I want to just say I love Bill Gates.
joe rogan
Okay.
I use Windows.
jamie vernon
I'm looking for the quote.
I can't find a specific quote that says that.
There's lots of quotes about them going back and forth, obviously, because they've had a public battle.
tim dillon
I just think anybody like that, whether it's Bill Gates or Bezos or anybody who's a billionaire, if they say, here's the suggested course of action, they have to expect that they're going to be criticized.
And a lot of these guys don't like taking any criticism when they're issuing edicts.
These are billionaires that are saying, this is how we're going to live.
alex jones
Yeah, that's the next big question.
joe rogan
Isn't it strange, though, that Bill Gates, who is not a health expert, is all of a sudden one of the leading voices?
tim dillon
Yes, it's strange.
alex jones
It's curious.
But that's my next question.
Why is Bill Gates, who's not a doctor, suddenly on TV telling me how my life's going to go and what I'm going to do?
This is the most important part of it.
joe rogan
Why is this a big project for him?
tim dillon
Well, he's also a guy that wanted to shoot a missile of dust into the atmosphere to help climate change.
I mean...
Very few people in history have had the resources to even think of doing something like that.
joe rogan
That's right.
alex jones
He wants to have jet spray chemicals to block the sun.
tim dillon
Right.
And the scientists went, no good.
They went, not a good idea.
And then if you call him on that, if you call him on that, he goes...
unidentified
The lies and the conspiracy theories.
tim dillon
It's like, no, we're just asking you why you want to shoot missiles into space.
unidentified
Here's an example.
alex jones
He went on CBS News and they go, 80% of those taking your vaccine trial are getting very sick.
Some are dying.
He's like, well, that's just how it is.
You can pull this clips up.
tim dillon
What?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
He said, that's just how it is?
alex jones
Yeah.
He said, well, the FDA is going to approve it.
joe rogan
He's beet red.
Look at you.
You're blending in with the walls.
tim dillon
But yeah, it's a problem.
That's hilarious.
alex jones
That's a problem.
unidentified
It's a problem.
alex jones
You know, I'm kind of retarded.
tim dillon
This is...
joe rogan
That meme is hilarious.
tim dillon
For two years, they said Trump worked for...
I've heard of political mudslinging my whole life.
For two years, they said Trump was an agent of Russia.
He was an asset of Russia.
The president.
Then they did a whole report and then it came out that he wasn't.
There was no proof of it.
The CIA, the NSA, everybody.
And then they went like this.
They went, well, we might have been wrong about that.
joe rogan
One of the most disturbing things to me was when Ted Cruz was cross-examining Comey when he was asking him questions about what they did with evidence and how they doctored evidence.
What do you got, Jamie?
Oh.
alex jones
I just can't believe that Brian Redband is here.
joe rogan
He saved us.
Brian flew in when Jamie tested positive for cooties.
alex jones
Have I known him like 16 years?
joe rogan
Yeah, forever.
So we had to have the protocol was you have to be 10 days and you have to test negative three days in a row.
alex jones
Should Brian move here?
joe rogan
Yeah, Brian's going to move here.
He's looking at houses right now.
alex jones
You are too.
joe rogan
Tim's gonna move here.
tim dillon
I might.
joe rogan
You're moving here, bitch.
tim dillon
I might.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
tim dillon
I don't know.
I gotta save L.A. first from the Satanists.
joe rogan
Listen, it's not coming back.
I know.
alex jones
Hey, let's talk about that.
joe rogan
The club's not coming back.
alex jones
Please, a little bit of stuff.
I don't want to fight Joe.
joe rogan
We're not fighting.
alex jones
And I'm not...
This much apple juice, I'm having trouble thinking.
unidentified
It's okay.
joe rogan
It's okay.
I love you.
alex jones
No, you did this.
Just have some.
joe rogan
No, I can't.
I can't.
I made a promise.
alex jones
But on election night, I can pop in.
joe rogan
That's November 3rd.
That's November.
alex jones
But I will be able to pop in.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
We're very excited.
joe rogan
Put that down.
I have six more days of sobriety.
tim dillon
That's going to be a fight.
joe rogan
But I got to be honest, I'm a little high from this cigar.
alex jones
Hey, you couldn't have a bigger promo for your election night.
I'm glad you actually announced it here.
joe rogan
Well, Kyle Kalinske's been asking when he can announce it, so now you know Kyle.
There you go, it's official.
tim dillon
There you go, Kyle.
joe rogan
I'm excited to get everybody in the room and watch the demise of Western civilization in real time.
alex jones
Can I show you some stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah, what do you got?
Do we ever find a quote for Whitmer?
jamie vernon
I can't find anything.
There's lots of quotes, but I can't find anything.
alex jones
Do you want me to find it?
joe rogan
Can you?
Just Google it on your phone, and Tim and I will talk amongst ourselves.
Okay, go ahead.
And then we'll pull up whatever that is.
unidentified
Okay.
tim dillon
Gretchen Whitmer, they almost kidnapped her, by the way.
joe rogan
Here it is.
jamie vernon
No, I don't have it.
I'm just saying that's what I'm typing.
joe rogan
Oh, Whitmer, when Trump leaves office, quote.
tim dillon
There was a kidnapping plan against her.
alex jones
No, it's Whitmer.
Which 50% of the- Lockdowns won't end until Trump gone.
Come on.
joe rogan
Right.
Lockdowns won't end till Trump gone.
Try that.
alex jones
Whatever, I know it's true.
I don't need to find it.
joe rogan
Whitmer, lockdowns won't end till Trump gone.
He'll find it.
Yeah, the plot to assassinate her.
What the fuck was that all about?
tim dillon
It was a plot to kidnap her.
That was weird.
alex jones
And I predicted up front that it was going to be FBI provocateurs and it turned out the two leaders were FBI informants.
tim dillon
What?
What's even crazier is 52% of the citizens of Michigan agreed with the plot.
alex jones
That's a joke.
That's a good one.
joe rogan
They're going to edit that part where you say that's a joke.
alex jones
Joe Rogan's guest calls for kidnapping.
joe rogan
This is outrageous!
De-platform!
alex jones
This is central control!
tim dillon
When I went on Alex's show, Alex goes, Snopes always goes and finds that joke.
He makes it there and they go, Correction, Hillary Clinton is not an Oompa Loompa.
joe rogan
Did you guys see that...
Brett Weinstein's Unity 2020 account was also banned from Twitter.
tim dillon
My producer just told me that.
joe rogan
His Unity 2020 account, which was calling for a third party, was calling for unity between people on the right and the left to get together and have conversations and perhaps even have an alternative candidate.
alex jones
That's outrageous.
joe rogan
Well, he's a fucking scholar, and he's a guy who became famous because he was a professor at Evergreen University, and the leftists took over the college.
alex jones
When they said we're going to shut it down and whites can't come one day a month.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And then they banned him.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, they didn't just ban him.
They went looking for him in the parking lot with a baseball bat.
tim dillon
They chased around with baseball bats, yeah.
joe rogan
It was terrifying shit.
alex jones
So let me ask this.
joe rogan
And then the principal was going along with everything.
Literally, they yelled at the principal, don't gesture with your hands.
Because you're threatening us, but he was talking like this, like, put your hands up!
alex jones
British universities, like Oxford, I think is the one, look it up, Oxford or Cambridge, one of the big ones, you can't clap!
It's a microaggression, Joe.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so crazy.
But this is what we were talking about for years, and people were saying, why are you concerned with what happens in the universities?
It's the same thing we were saying about censorship.
Because it fucking, it keeps going.
It doesn't stop.
When you allow that kind of nonsense in universities, those kids graduate, and they want to carry these goofy fucking practices into all of these corporations.
alex jones
And you're seeing that now.
joe rogan
You're seeing that now.
alex jones
This is one of the things I wrote down I wanted to ask you, Joe and Tim Dillon.
What happens?
Where do they stop?
Because they're going to keep running until they hit opposition, which is starting to happen.
How far does it go?
joe rogan
I was hoping there was going to be some sort of a federal regulation.
I was hoping that Trump was going to step in and they were going to amend the First Amendment to include social media.
Because I think what you're seeing now, the argument that these are just...
Just private corporations.
I don't think that argument is valid anymore because the impact that they have, the significance of being able to speak or not being able to speak has massive implications on our election.
We see this with the New York Post being censored.
We see it with the New York Post being censored with this Hunter Biden story.
Whether you agree with the story being leaked or not, the fact that the New York fucking Post, which is a legitimate newspaper, as outrageous as they are, and the fact that the fucking White House press secretary gets banned from Twitter...
For tweeting that link.
alex jones
That's very dangerous.
tim dillon
This is crazy.
I mean, I think it leads to, sadly, it leads to violence.
Because if you take everybody's ability to communicate away, there's nothing left to do but commit acts of violence.
alex jones
And by the way, that's a Kennedy quote.
Those that make peaceful revolution.
joe rogan
Jamie found something.
jamie vernon
This is as close as I could get to what he's asking to be found.
joe rogan
Okay, the Trump virus response is the worst in the globe, she said.
If you're tired of lockdowns, or you're tired of wearing masks, or you wish you were in church this morning, or watching college football, or your kids were getting in-person instruction, it's time for a change in this country, and that's why we've got to elect Joe Biden.
tim dillon
I mean, that's pretty...
jamie vernon
That's right.
joe rogan
I mean, you can make that...
jamie vernon
You can make it say whatever you want almost.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim dillon
But that's the common sentiment, right?
joe rogan
This is pretty much...
The problem is, the problem is, if you just take it from if you're tired of lockdowns, you would get one interpretation of it.
But if you back it up to the Trump virus response is the worst in the globe, she said, if you're tired of lockdowns.
So what she's saying is...
alex jones
I think we're splitting airs.
joe rogan
I mean, you're not necessarily.
Because what she's saying is...
alex jones
Okay, well I saw a clip of her in a speech saying that.
joe rogan
Because that's the problem with taking something out of context.
What she's saying is...
tim dillon
I mean, listen.
We've got a wonderful person.
joe rogan
No, I'm not saying that.
What she's saying is that Trump has done such a shitty job, that's the reason why we're locked down and you can't go to church.
alex jones
No, I get it.
The headline was...
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true, though.
I think when you've got a contagious disease, you've got people flying in from Europe and China and all these other countries that are expressing.
You're going to have spread.
I mean, this is a fucking insanely contagious disease.
alex jones
Listen, Joe, one of my favorite parts of your show is when you ask Jamie for something and the light turns on when you're looking at it.
Let me ask you this.
You're into numerology.
joe rogan
How hammered are you right now?
On scale one at 10. Not at all.
tim dillon
We're into numerology.
This is when it gets good.
alex jones
You better.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Just be nice to me, Joe.
joe rogan
I am being nice to you.
alex jones
You got me here.
I know you are.
Let's get serious.
Everybody wants to hear what I actually have to say.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
What was the question?
You had me on 9-11.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
12-5-5, now 1-5-5-5.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't connect the dots.
I'm in town.
It's random.
alex jones
Well, you told me you picked 9-11 on purpose.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was on purpose.
Yeah, it was just fun.
alex jones
Nothing bad.
joe rogan
Do you understand how this quote, you could interpret that in a different way?
alex jones
The entire Democratic Party strategy is to say Trump is to blame for COVID and to say the economy is shut down until you get them elected.
joe rogan
I don't think that's what she's saying.
alex jones
They're all saying, Joe Biden's like, we're going to end this COVID by endless lockdowns once Trump's out.
If you want to go back to normal, do this.
Listen, this is an end of civilization event.
The Rockefellers and others put out Operation Lockstep.
They're never going to stop this.
They're going to have COVID tracking.
They're going to have checkpoints.
They're going to have apps on your phone.
joe rogan
So how do we stop this?
alex jones
What Trump came out and did and said, we cannot defeat this with vaccines.
And with COVID tracking, with shutdowns, it's going to have to be with herd immunity, which is what the scientist actually brought articles.
joe rogan
Why can't we beat it with what he beat it with?
He's 74 and he eats french fries every day.
This motherfucker kicked it in four days.
alex jones
That's what I'm telling you.
joe rogan
That's supposed to be a death sentence for old people.
alex jones
Joe, if you've got vitamin D, vitamin C, and zinc, it's very hard to get...
joe rogan
Okay, but clearly he's got more than vitamin D, vitamin C, and zinc.
He's got a bunch of medical treatments.
tim dillon
He was given Regeneron.
He was given things that are expensive and probably not widely available.
alex jones
But wait a minute.
Jamie tested positive.
He's right over there a day later.
joe rogan
Jamie's young and viral.
alex jones
I'm saying, since when did something come along?
Civilization is over.
Civilization is over because of this thing that came out of China.
You want to ask where COVID came from?
You want to ask where it is?
joe rogan
Jamie, do you feel better about the disease now that you kicked it so quickly?
jamie vernon
How old are you?
joe rogan
Not at first.
How old are you?
jamie vernon
37. At first I was a little worried for the first day.
joe rogan
I was like, oh shit.
unidentified
Here we go.
jamie vernon
Are we going down like a two week, three week, four week?
alex jones
Ventilator time?
joe rogan
Months.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
Because you've talked to people on the show that have been fucked up by it.
jamie vernon
Sure.
How lucky am I going to be today is also what I was thinking.
joe rogan
But you were also taking all the vitamins.
jamie vernon
I mean, yeah, I got all that.
We had NAD and all that stuff, too, in my system, so maybe that helped.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
alex jones
I'm sure it did, of course.
Statistically, they said 5% of us would be dead.
It's not even.1%.
Well, they thought that, though.
joe rogan
This is what they thought.
alex jones
But they're the all-powerful gods.
It's like the UN says, you will not question us, Big Tech says.
You will not question anything the UN says.
Meanwhile, the UN's like, oh, we shouldn't do a lockdown.
It's killing millions of people's starvation.
But still, it's like, we're keeping the lockdown going, the United Nations said.
joe rogan
Well, what do you think should be done?
alex jones
I mean, I think we should look at something that isn't much worse than the flu and say we all need natural vitamins and nutraceuticals and sunlight and health, and people just know they've got to deal with it the way it is because we always get diseases.
We always get viruses.
We always live with it.
The idea we've got to lock society down and go into our houses, and this is a post-industrial move.
that they're using to roll out these systems to keep us locked down in our homes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And if you want to be cynical, this is where you step in and say the reason why they want us to be upset and they want the economy to be fucked is because they hate the president and they want him out of office and they want to regain power.
They want the Democrats in office.
tim dillon
They want to remake the American economy in the image of what they want.
They want to remake a lot of these systems that they feel are, for whatever reason, unjust.
joe rogan
Injust.
tim dillon
Injust or unjust or whatever, and they want to use this opportunity to kind of redraw the lines.
alex jones
Exactly.
tim dillon
They do that after 9-11.
alex jones
Exactly.
This is the new 9-11.
The UN and the Davos group all say, this is the post-industrial world, the Great Reset.
I've got a copy of it for right here.
And they say, in these documents, we are going to reorganize society.
COVID is good to shut down the carbon.
Carbon is bad.
We're going to end success.
We're going to end prosperity.
We're going to track everybody.
We're going to control their lives all under the name of COVID. They said all that?
joe rogan
They said we're going to end success.
We're going to end prosperity.
alex jones
Yeah, in the lockstep Rockefeller document 2010, they say, we'll have a viral release or a simulated one that creates total fear.
We'll bring up police state, martial law.
joe rogan
Is this available for someone to read?
alex jones
Absolutely.
tim dillon
Alex, wasn't there something called Agenda 21 or something where they were saying, we want people living in cities.
We don't want home ownership.
alex jones
Compact cities, yeah.
And you were saying it earlier.
They go, oh, it's for the greater good that we don't have cars anymore.
It's for the greater good we don't have single...
joe rogan
No, that's not what I was saying.
What I was doing was playing devil's advocate.
alex jones
No, you were quoting them.
joe rogan
What I was saying...
alex jones
I'm not saying you said that, Joe.
You believe in that.
joe rogan
I was saying that autonomous...
I do believe in cars, too.
Autonomous vehicles are, in the future at least, likely to be safer than people just driving and texting.
alex jones
Well, it's not safe giving control over these corporations and robots and making ourselves obsolete.
We need to build a pro-human future.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm pro-human.
alex jones
No, I know you are.
I'm not saying you're not, Joe.
joe rogan
The Rockefeller thing from 2010. That sounds a weird segue.
I'm pro-human.
jamie vernon
I started...
I was already looking this up, as you mentioned it, because I was going down my own little rabbit hole.
It says, when I first started to find it, my first search just says, there's a small, a large conspiracy that's been built out of this small grain of truth from this document from 2010. Okay.
That's what it starts to say.
alex jones
Oh, is that Snopes?
joe rogan
Small grain of truth.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
alex jones
So Snopes is like God.
joe rogan
I don't think, is it Snopes that you Googled?
tim dillon
Let's focus on the grain of truth.
unidentified
No, no, no.
alex jones
Who says it's a grain of truth?
jamie vernon
Hold on.
I got a line.
alex jones
No, no.
It's Operation Lockstep, and it says a global police state will be brought in from a pandemic, and there'll be worldwide martial law.
It actually says it in the document.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
It's like they always go like, oh, there's no Hunter emails.
They admit the emails are real.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
I love that clock.
joe rogan
It is weird that they're saying TGT Studios.
It is weird.
jamie vernon
Here's a document.
joe rogan
Okay.
The Rockefeller Foundation Annual Report, 2010. I'll control F. What would you like me to look up?
alex jones
Look up police state.
joe rogan
Yeah, just look up police state.
alex jones
Don't forget the exact words.
I mean, let's just go read it for yourself.
joe rogan
Control F police state.
jamie vernon
Nothing came up.
joe rogan
This is just one paper?
That's it?
jamie vernon
I mean, that's the whole PDF. It's really, really long.
joe rogan
So when you control F police state, nothing?
Okay, what else?
alex jones
I've read it before it says that, so anybody can go read it right now.
joe rogan
So you think they edited it?
alex jones
No.
No, I can't remember the exact word.
joe rogan
Okay, well, let's look up pandemic.
Look up pandemic.
alex jones
Pandemic just means widely distributed.
Epidemic means you're actually sick.
jamie vernon
Four mentions of the word pandemic.
joe rogan
Okay.
All right.
With no network to transfer critical infectious disease information without open lines of communications, thousands more fall sick.
The new, in quotes, disease becomes an unchecked pandemic.
By the time...
The right expertise is brought to bear on the problem.
alex jones
It's a push for world government.
joe rogan
It's too late.
The disease has spread around the globe.
In a world of global trade and travel, what's traded faster and travels furthest are the microbes in every handshake.
So what is this in reference to?
Okay, it says a few miles east.
Hold on, please go back to that.
Yeah, it's just a scenario that they're painting.
So make that a little larger.
No, no, no.
Go back to it.
Just go back to where it was.
All right.
The potential pandemic in the past few decades have severely tested the world's ability to work across human borders.
Detection remains weak in many parts of the world.
The public health response has frequently been slow and fragmented.
The looming threat of infectious disease presents humanity with a new challenge to communicate and collaborate swifter and with greater efficiency than ever before.
That doesn't sound like they're trying to end the world.
alex jones
Okay, well, you're just reading one of these documents.
I can pull up the articles.
I can show it to yourself.
joe rogan
I understand, but this is...
alex jones
It's world government controlled.
They talk about a worldwide police state.
You search the term pandemic.
I'm telling you what's in these things.
joe rogan
Okay.
Emerging pandemics, the new century, SARS, avion flu, and swine flu.
If we don't move quickly...
alex jones
Investigated systems to bring in global government.
joe rogan
It seems like they're trying to prevent pandemics.
If we don't move quickly, viruses will, by continuing our drive to invest in systems that coordinate efforts and share information, the Rockefeller Foundation is working to ensure that we have the ability to meet the health challenges of an interconnected world.
tim dillon
Isn't the perfect analogy terrorism?
Because it's like terrorism exists, people want to prevent terrorism, but it's like, how many rights do you give up in order to do that?
You know, all these proactive measures that we take to prevent terrorism, a lot of them create more terrorists.
So I think it's like a balance of, like, remaining a free society and dealing with a lot of these problems.
alex jones
Listen, I sit here, you know, we sit here and we talk about something and whether Jamie can find it or not becomes the arbiter whether it's real.
So they found something about an AT&T lobbying, but they didn't find a thing about this.
I've got the Operation Lockstep documents where they say, we're going to bring in this global authoritarian police state.
joe rogan
Okay, but then you have to show us those.
alex jones
Well, I mean, I'm sitting here in studio talking to you about this.
joe rogan
But I understand.
alex jones
That's all internet.
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying, but we wanted to try to read it.
alex jones
But you know everybody else watching this is going to go look it up.
joe rogan
Well, I hope they do.
alex jones
They're going to go crazy.
joe rogan
I wish we could have found it right then, if it's real.
alex jones
I know you want to show it.
joe rogan
But it might be an interpretation of what they're saying, like the Whitmer quote.
alex jones
No, it says specifically.
joe rogan
The Whitmer quote is just a criticism of Trump.
She's blaming all this lockdown.
alex jones
No, Whitmer was found by the Supreme Court of Michigan and by a federal court to have seized all three branches of governments and basically set up martial law.
They even used those terms.
And she was overturned.
tim dillon
When you say in that quote, when you say if you are sick of lockdowns and you're sick of not being able to go to church, Joe Biden should be elected.
joe rogan
Agreed.
tim dillon
That is not a huge jump from what he said.
joe rogan
No, it's not a huge jump.
But the problem is, the way it's being said, she was talking about how bad Trump handled the rate of infection first.
alex jones
Let's expand on that.
I remember interviewing Lou Dobbs like 15 years ago, back when he was still on CNN, and we were looking at documents.
Where it said, we're going to bring in global government and the North American Union using the threat of viruses, migration flows, and economic collapse.
And they said, like a deadly flu or a deadly SARS. I'm sitting here watching this power grab, watching the UN, and big tech saying, well, you can't say...
That the UN's wrong because the UN's in charge.
Since when is the news, WHO and all these doctors, all these medical doctors that come out and say other things other than them, like how steroids cured it or how hydroxychloroquine helped it, how are they being banned?
Even if they were wrong, they should have their license removed.
That's what that's about.
It's not Google decides that if something isn't the UN, it's taken down.
That's all I'm saying.
joe rogan
Well, it is a problem that they're deciding which doctors to listen to and which doctors not to.
When there is some real controversy as to how to handle the virus with treatment.
Right.
What treatment is effective and what isn't effective.
Now, it turns out there's a lot of doctors that think that hydroxychloroquine isn't effective.
There's some doctors that thought it was, and they think a combination of zinc and hydroxychloroquine.
But the problem is the people that are deciding what gets taken down or not gets taken down.
That's a huge problem.
tim dillon
And the problem is that the doctors who go, well, we think, you know, it's like we've minimized the voices of the people that are saying one thing.
joe rogan
Right.
tim dillon
And we've elevated the voices of the people that are saying another thing.
And it's like that becomes the real issue.
Whether people like Trump, there's stuff to criticize about Trump.
We all know that.
joe rogan
But in their defense, they're doing it because they think that people are going to do something foolish and they're going to go out and spread the virus further because of that.
tim dillon
Well, it's not the media's job, though, to – this is the problem.
I think the media has taken on this really activist role where they are now – Worse.
joe rogan
It's not the media.
unidentified
It's worse.
joe rogan
Social media.
Social media companies.
unidentified
Social media too, yeah.
joe rogan
It's not even necessarily the media where you have, like, legitimate journalists that are taking on this role.
tim dillon
Will Trump – do you think he would do something in his second term about social media?
alex jones
I think he certainly is going to do something he has to.
joe rogan
Why hasn't he done something already?
alex jones
Because it's so complex because they'll claim it's election meddling even though they're doing that at the same time.
What we have is multinational corporations acting in tandem that are already making the nation state obsolete.
They're creating an information warfare monopoly and they're censoring people and using that power they have.
And we just sit here denying it's going on until it's too late.
I mean, it's a really serious situation.
joe rogan
And it is a crazy situation where all of these tech companies all lean left.
All of them.
tim dillon
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
They lean left and they support...
There's no tech companies that are out there supporting Donald Trump.
There's no tech companies out there supporting...
tim dillon
What's very interesting is these tech companies are very wealthy people, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
They're insanely wealthy.
joe rogan
But David Pakman had a really good point about that, that when it comes to their financial dealings, they're very conservative.
tim dillon
Very libertarian and conservative.
alex jones
Oh, they don't pay taxes.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
I mean, Google pays almost taxes.
That's what I'm telling you.
Does Apple complain about Chinese slave factories in China?
No.
It's just what I'm telling you is it's all BS. And when you study what they're doing, I can sit on my phone and pull it up.
They talk about, in lockstep, bringing in a global authoritarian system.
They talk about riots.
They talk about war.
joe rogan
If you can find that article, send it to Jamie.
jamie vernon
I found something, but I'm trying to understand what it's saying, because it's speaking about years in the future as though they've already happened.
tim dillon
Well, we're not too far away from...
joe rogan
Let's see it.
Because they're painting another scenario just like they painted with that infection scenario.
jamie vernon
Archive.org I found.
I went to the second page of this link, but this is like scenario narratives.
It says lockstep.
It talks about pandemics from 2012 and the SARS and all sorts of H1N1. So I skipped into the next page just while you guys are talking.
And this is the part that's a little strange, which is getting into what I think he is now talking about.
joe rogan
Where is that?
Can you highlight it?
jamie vernon
It started here because it says something about Kenya in 2025 and people being weary of top-down authoritarianism.
joe rogan
By 2025, people seem to be growing weary of so much top-down control and letting leaders and authorities make choices for them.
Wherever national interest clashed with individual interest, there was conflict.
Sporadic pushback becomes increasingly organized and coordinated as disaffected youth and people who have seen their status and opportunities slip away, largely in developing countries, incited civil unrest.
By 2026, protesters in Nigeria brought down the government, fed up with the entrenched cronyism and corruption.
Even those who'd like the greater stability and predictability of this world began to grow uncomfortable and constrained by so many tight rules and by the strictness of national boundaries.
The feeling lingered that sooner or later something would have inevitably upset the neat order that the world's governments had worked so hard to establish.
alex jones
Okay, I never read that, but that's the other stuff.
It's in there.
It's thousands of pages, man.
It talks about global police state and worldwide riots.
tim dillon
I mean, we're not that far away.
joe rogan
It's weird the way they're writing that.
They're writing it almost like this.
alex jones
I've never seen that part.
I'm just saying it says stuff like that.
tim dillon
Listen, look at the ideas like the EU, right?
It's a supranational financial architecture.
People are saying that borders are racist.
People are saying that the idea of America is racist.
The idea of a country or a nation state is racist.
There is this growing idea or ideology that global governance is a good thing or that nation states are exclusionary and racist.
alex jones
They're perfect.
Multinational corporations are bigger and operate, in many cases, more powerfully than governments.
tim dillon
Correct, yeah.
alex jones
And so they want control, and they say they want control, and they're going to use racial differences between two countries to play them off against each other, and they're going to use global crises to centralize global control.
And that's what they say in these white papers, is the corporations are using this for global control, and there will be rebellions against it.
That's what I read.
tim dillon
People have more loyalty to multinational corporations and more loyalty they have more in common with people that live in London or Davos or Switzerland than they do to their American citizens.
And that becomes the problem.
alex jones
But you've got Google and Facebook executives on jumbo jets and mansions telling us we've got to lower our carbon footprint and be poor.
They're hypocrites.
It doesn't hold water.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How do we get out of this?
alex jones
There it is.
Authoritarian capitalism.
I mean, I remember, I don't have it in front of me, but I was reading the lockstep Rockefeller documents and they predicted worldwide police state, authoritarianism, civil war.
joe rogan
They're predicting in 2018, it says, will Africa's embrace of authoritarian capitalism a la China continue?
And then Vietnam to require a solar panel in every home in 2022. And then in 2025...
alex jones
Yeah, it's not the same documents I saw, but that's the question is...
joe rogan
It's weird the way they're writing this.
They're writing this as they're predicting...
alex jones
Already happened.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they're talking about it like they're seeing the future, almost like it's fiction.
alex jones
But Joe, here's Trump saying...
We're not going to control the pandemic.
You don't.
You get used to it.
You get over it.
You fight it with nutraceuticals.
You fight it with therapeutics.
It's the idea that...
Bill Gates came out two weeks ago and he goes, we'll be shut down for 10 years.
tim dillon
Is that what he said?
alex jones
He said, yeah.
He said, this goes on for 10 years until there's not one corona case.
Well, they picked the perfect problem they can never defeat.
joe rogan
But isn't that crazy?
You see a guy like Jamie who literally kicked it in a day.
And they're saying we're going to close down the world for 10 days.
tim dillon
Well, it's also like the war on terror is still going on.
alex jones
Yeah, exactly.
They want a problem that never goes away.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's never going to...
I mean, the Cold War went on forever.
I mean, this is just...
They like these things.
joe rogan
But we've entered into three hours in here, two and a half hours in here.
We've entered into this weird spot.
We're like, okay, what could be done?
alex jones
Well, you're going to drink whiskey.
tim dillon
Yeah.
alex jones
I've already been about an election night.
I'm here.
joe rogan
What could be done?
alex jones
Um...
joe rogan
What can be done?
alex jones
Man, all I know is I try to tell the truth.
I make mistakes.
But I'm sitting here with these notes I've written where I read what globalists say.
I gave you that Wall Street Journal article where they go, we're impure that we can get sick.
It's time to get rid of all humans and merge with machines.
It's so beautiful.
I think, well, that's just one kook.
And then it's almost all these people.
And really, they're just trying to convince the public to all roll over and die.
joe rogan
But wait a minute.
Isn't that a provocative article by a journalist who's trying to paint a rosy picture of our symbiotic relationship with technology?
I mean, when someone's saying, I mean, literally saying, looking forward to the end of humanity.
It's a provocative article.
alex jones
But that's the nihilistic attitude these people actually pick up.
I mean...
joe rogan
Yes, it is, but it's also sort of this inevitable, if you extrapolate from where we are now with technology to where we're going to be in 20, 30 years, and when you look at things like Neuralink, and you look at a lot of this technology that they're coming up with.
alex jones
But we're talking about big tech censoring us.
I don't want them plugged into my goddamn brain.
tim dillon
Yeah, it's probably a bad idea.
It seems like a bad idea to have them invade your body.
joe rogan
Well, when you're talking about centralized power like that, it is a bad idea.
tim dillon
It's not a good idea.
joe rogan
It's a bad idea to give them power over speech.
alex jones
All I'm saying is, Joe, and I'm glad you're here.
I'm glad you're here.
I'm very excited to be here tonight, and I really appreciate you.
We have to get people to debate the fact that there's people, engineers and technocrats, choosing their course and that the public is not involved in deciding that course.
joe rogan
Well, I hope people are starting to understand when you see the White House press secretary get banned from Twitter, when you see the New York Post links get banned from Twitter, I hope people are starting to understand that giving people power, giving large groups power over whether it's national discourse, whether it's policy, any of these things, it's bad.
It's a bad idea.
tim dillon
It's a bad idea.
alex jones
Exactly!
You don't want to give Alex Jones power.
joe rogan
The founding fathers, although they didn't predict They didn't predict the internet.
They did predict what happens when you give human beings ultimate power.
Right.
alex jones
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts.
Absolutely.
So, Joe, you just said it.
So let me ask this question.
See, you've got a huge audience.
We can really change the world right now.
joe rogan
No one's listening.
alex jones
No, they're listening.
tim dillon
If you want to change the world, you go on a Melissa Milano show.
joe rogan
That's the show.
Dude, I only get three times as many listeners as her.
alex jones
People that are zombies don't matter.
I'm sorry about what you mean.
tim dillon
I'm sure she won't take zombie offensive.
unidentified
Did you guys hear what I said?
alex jones
Listen, you can look at Tony Podesta or John Podesta and laugh at them.
They run the Democratic Party.
It came out two months ago in the New York Times bragging that they were in the meeting when they were wargaming on thousands of people listening on a telephone call.
They go, we're not going to concede, and we're going to have the country...
Break up, and we're going to have secession, and we're going to call for the UN to invade America.
joe rogan
How fucked up would it be if all this stuff actually comes true the way you're describing it?
tim dillon
If this happens, this will be fucking insane.
Can I use the bathroom?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
joe rogan
But when people are talking about...
Be careful with that camera.
Don't bump that camera.
alex jones
But I'm not saying it's going to happen.
I'm saying they're saying it.
Because if it doesn't happen, I'll be glad.
But they're like, oh, Jones is saying this is happening.
joe rogan
No, I know you will be glad.
alex jones
They're literally saying this.
joe rogan
But if this does happen...
This podcast can be heavily criticized, right?
We're all aware of this.
We knew that coming in.
But when this goes down, if this goes down the way you're describing it, how eerie would this be?
alex jones
Well, it would be very eerie.
joe rogan
Eerie.
alex jones
It would be very scary because, let me tell you, this is what they're saying they're going to do.
Now, I hope they don't do it.
But they are saying that they're going to contest the election when they lose, and if Trump tries to declare it, big tech has implemented this AI system that's going to block hundreds of millions of Americans from being able to say Trump won election night.
So that's why election night is so spectacular.
joe rogan
And some people can say, well, there's never been voter fraud before, or voter fraud has been so minuscule in the past.
That is true.
However, the ability to vote by mail in advance never really existed like it exists now.
alex jones
Exactly.
80 million ballots put out there as a total wild card.
joe rogan
So who is counting all these ballots?
alex jones
It's the locals.
It's whoever grabs them.
It's whoever puts in the false names.
There's been a bunch of people arrested.
joe rogan
Right, but say if you're in a democratically controlled state, so who is controlling and counting those ballots?
alex jones
Brian Redman.
joe rogan
He's a good guy.
He'll tell us the truth.
alex jones
Brian, get over here real quick.
He needs to come over for two minutes.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
We need Brian.
No, I mean, seriously, I don't know what's going to happen, Joe.
I know the Democrat chief strategist says, we're going to contest the election, we're going to break the country up, like Civil War 1862, and we're going to do all this, and we're going to say that...
Go ahead.
unidentified
They found water on the moon.
joe rogan
Oh, awesome.
alex jones
They did find water on the moon.
You know, six months before they said that, Buzz Aldrin called me up.
joe rogan
And he said there's water on the moon?
alex jones
And he goes, they're going to crash an Indian probe in there.
It's like, you know, 2007 or something.
They're going to crash an Indian probe on the moon.
I want you to know we already crashed one.
They're going to find the water.
I was like, thank you, Buzz Aldrin.
joe rogan
So he called you up?
alex jones
Yep.
joe rogan
Does Buzz call you often?
alex jones
No, he's called me like three times.
tim dillon
Are you ever shocked?
He's like, it's Alex's buzzsaw.
alex jones
He actually got like 20 million views before I took it off YouTube.
He was on the show one time, and he goes, my secretary really likes you.
He goes, you're hot, you're lucky I'm doing this.
I'm like, well, yes, sir.
And he goes, there is the moon of...
Mars, that is where the real obelisk is, 2001. And the aliens created the pyramids.
And I just wanted to tell you, Alex, you gotta...
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He said the aliens created the pyramids?
tim dillon
Yeah, and there was an obelisk on Mars.
unidentified
I heard that part.
joe rogan
That's not as shocking.
Buzz Aldrin said the aliens created the pyramids?
alex jones
I'm telling you.
I was contacted by Buzz Aldrin's secretary.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
I'm picking this up.
joe rogan
I don't believe you are.
alex jones
And so it's like, whenever this was, like 12 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever it was, like, hey, Buzz Aldrin wants to come on.
So we checked, it's Buzz Aldrin.
He wants to talk about his new book.
And once he gets on, he goes...
It is the sole moon, Choron, or whatever it's called.
Look up the moon of...
I won't have memory here, so I get this stuff wrong sometimes.
Of Mars.
He goes, that is where the true obelisk is, and that will give us the data tapes to go to the next level.
And I just wanted you to know that, because you're a good person, that the pyramids were created by aliens, and we're doing important work.
joe rogan
There he is.
Buzz Aldrin admits aliens built the pyramids, and Phobos monument...
Oh, the...
alex jones
Yeah, he said it after he talked to me on C-SPAN, yeah.
So he said it?
joe rogan
He really said aliens built the pyramids?
alex jones
I swear to God.
tim dillon
This guy really went off the reservation.
Do you think NASA is doing a better vetting process now?
Because this guy really...
joe rogan
Well, he's had tough times.
alex jones
Well, he just endorsed Trump.
tim dillon
Oh, did he?
joe rogan
Why did he endorse Trump?
All the military endorsed Trump.
All the police unions endorsed Trump.
alex jones
But listen, I'm not bragging.
I don't know why...
I thought he had one about a book he wrote.
He starts telling me about aliens, the pyramids, and the friggin'...
joe rogan
Let me ask you this.
What did you think about the Pentagon saying recently that they've recovered crafts that are not of this world?
alex jones
I think it's probably true.
joe rogan
I think it's probably true as well.
alex jones
I think we're like the ditch, like a movie theater.
There's stuff in the ditch.
joe rogan
When I talked to Commander Fravor, who is the guy who saw the Tic Tac UFO off the coast of San Diego, the way he describes it in the video footage that they got of this thing, his take on it is fucking chilling.
That thing went from 60,000 feet above Tic Tac.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like a Tic Tac.
alex jones
That's Joe's new code name, it's Tic Tac.
tim dillon
I thought it was a Tic-Tac UFO. No, no, no.
It's a huge problem.
alex jones
No, it's just a little Tic Tac thing there, Jason.
And what did he say about it?
joe rogan
He said that this thing went from 60,000 feet above sea level to one inside of a second.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He said it defied propulsion by any understanding that we have of physics.
The way it moved was insane.
It was actively blocking tracking systems, which is an act of war.
alex jones
That's nothing to do.
They block all the radar.
joe rogan
You could listen to him on my podcast, but I would actually recommend you listen to him on Lex Friedman's podcast.
It's available on YouTube, and Lex does an amazing job of talking to him and breaking down the technical aspects.
alex jones
Let's do that.
Joe, what do you think the universe is?
What do you think?
Let's talk real.
What's the secret of the universe?
joe rogan
Totally legit report says Buzz Aldrin saw aliens when he was up in space.
jamie vernon
That's sarcasm.
joe rogan
Oh.
alex jones
Joe, is that you in the photo?
joe rogan
I don't think that.
jamie vernon
Somebody reached out to his people and they said that it's bogus and we don't know where it came from.
joe rogan
It's bogus.
We don't know where it came from.
alex jones
Well, he came on my show and said that...
joe rogan
The pyramid thing?
The pyramid quote?
He said it's bogus?
Well, maybe they pulled him aside.
alex jones
Joe, let's have fun here.
Everybody's watching.
This is an epic podcast.
It's part three.
Joe Rogan.
I want to know.
So what do you think runs the universe?
What do you think the secret is?
Who are the DMT elves?
joe rogan
When's the last time you took DMT? It's been a couple years.
I don't think that there is any doubt that there's other life out there.
It's a matter of if it contacts us regularly, whether or not it's contacted us or why it comes and why it visits.
Or Jacques Vallée, I believe, I think his perception is not that they're from...
Another planet, but that would be probably the least spectacular answer, and that they could be interdimensional travelers.
Some people believe that they're time travelers.
And Jacques Vallée is the guy who, Steven Spielberg, he modeled that French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind after him.
He's a really, really interesting guy.
alex jones
Well, that's what I personally believe is it's interdimensional.
joe rogan
It could be that.
It could be that our understanding of reality itself is very limited.
It's like if you wave your hand above certain insects, they have no idea you're even there, right?
They lack the ability to detect it.
We have senses that we assume are the only senses that are available.
And it is entirely likely that there are many dimensions that we don't have access to, right?
And this is the quantum physicists and all those guys that write the shit on yellow legal pads that you don't understand.
They all believe there's many, many dimensions outside of the dimensions that we're aware of.
alex jones
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
joe rogan
I think the universe is insanely huge and they're finding life-compatible planets on a daily basis.
There's hundreds of them now.
alex jones
So I agree with you.
Let me ask this question then.
What do we do about this corrupt political elite trying to make us look at them and follow them?
How do we break free of them?
joe rogan
Well, that's a different thing of the universe.
But my question is, like, why are they telling us now that they've acquired these ships or that they have access to these things or that they know these things are real?
You know, Bob Lazar has basically been describing exactly that and exactly the same way since 1989 when he was first hiding when he was on George Knapp's television show in Vegas.
And they had him out only as a silhouette.
And then he eventually came out and said that he was a propulsion expert that was brought to Area S4.
And they've tried to discredit him and they've tried to talk.
But one of the things that he said was he talked about Element 115.
And that this was something that they used to propel these crafts.
And it was something that it can change gravity, can bend gravity and propel itself in a way that is not like any propulsion system that we use now.
Which essentially you have to push something out the back to make it go forward.
Whether it's flames or a rocket or anything else.
Like even an airplane, right?
It propels things forward.
And what he was saying is that what this Element 115 is allowing them to do is to somehow or another bend space and time.
Somehow or another bend gravity.
But they don't know how it works.
They don't know what it's doing, but they know it operates on this element.
alex jones
Let's talk about this.
joe rogan
Hold on.
They know it operates on this element that was only theoretical until, I think it was 2013 or 2015, they used a particle collider and they detected it in an actual element 115 that it was actually real.
alex jones
And that's what the superconducting supercolliders are for.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, they're for detecting many things, right?
alex jones
Cyclotrons.
joe rogan
Well, these particle colliders are for detecting many different things that are theoretical, and they find these things to be true, and then it becomes, you know, a scientific record.
What I think is that we are apes.
We are these weird talking apes that are in an adolescent stage of technological evolution.
And what we might be looking at when we see these...
We might be looking at something from the future.
We might be looking at time travelers.
We might be looking at something that comes back and visits us.
alex jones
Joe, I think that's a good approximation, but we're a little bit beyond just apes.
Clearly, we're from outside the planet, and there's something bigger going on.
Like, this life form's happened before.
This is a major test.
And so we can sit there and just say, oh, we're just apes.
joe rogan
No, I don't mean that.
What I mean by we're just apes is that in comparison to what we could be eventually through evolution...
alex jones
You're saying we're in a metamorphosis...
joe rogan
Yeah, we're on a...
Look, we're a lot smarter than apes, right?
Than regular apes that are in...
tim dillon
Most of us.
joe rogan
In the zoo.
Or in the jungle.
alex jones
Well, some of the public's dumber than apes.
tim dillon
Right.
I was about to say, let's not paint with a broad brush.
joe rogan
But we're nowhere near where our potential lies, right?
Our potential lies far, far, far in advance of what we are currently.
And I think some of this has to do with some of these symbiotic technologies that we're talking about, like Neuralink and a lot of these things that are being proposed that are eventually going to find their way into the human body and accelerate our ability.
alex jones
I agree, but are they going to censor our ability?
See, because we're already growing, and all I see from big tech is censorship, so is the Neuralink going to censor what I do.
Oh, it'll plug in and make me feel great and hit my pleasure centers.
joe rogan
Well, when you're talking about human emotions and greed and power and all these different things, these are all biological issues that we have that the idea is will be transcended if you could somehow eliminate a lot of these.
alex jones
If you believe the big tech lords aren't like us.
They're us, though.
So they're in charge of the same thing that we already are.
So to say, oh, big tech lords are going to take us away from our human problems, transcend sin, they're going to make it worse.
joe rogan
Okay, but do you understand that they didn't understand what technology was going to create when it created the internet?
The ability to distribute information that existed pre-1990-whatever when the internet became mainstream, it was very, very, very different than it is today.
And it's very hard to get away with the things you could get away with in the early 1980s.
What they can do now in terms of a regular person and their ability to transmit information, access information, it's multitudes and giant leaps I get it.
alex jones
The technology's there.
I'm not against the technology.
It's those that reduce it to us and they control how it's deployed.
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
That's the big issue.
Everything is about that.
joe rogan
But the thing is, what I was trying to get to is the way information has gotten out of their hands, and you can distribute it in a way that they never anticipated.
If they did anticipate it, I guarantee you they would have never let the internet be free.
alex jones
No, I agree.
I used to complain.
joe rogan
I think that same thing is going to happen with all other technologies.
And if that's the case, technology may be our only hope.
Technology may be the only thing that saves us from all these human emotions, the need for power and greed and control.
The one thing that might save us from that is the symbiotic relationship with technology where we connect to things that will alleviate a lot of the problems of evolution.
alex jones
But Joe, if that technology...
joe rogan
I'm not saying this is good or bad.
alex jones
I'm not saying you're wrong.
Can I say something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
You're doing really good.
This is great rants.
Best Joe Rogan I've ever seen.
I'm not being patronizing.
It's good stuff.
unidentified
It's okay.
joe rogan
You're drunk.
alex jones
No, no.
I'm saying this is powerful.
Be nice.
Be nice.
What I'm saying is there's outside groups trying to program that.
So you can't project your own goodness onto this.
joe rogan
I'm not saying even goodness.
I'm saying...
alex jones
No, what I'm saying is you've been ranting for five minutes and I'm just...
I get what you're saying.
It's just that you're sitting there saying this will free us from our problems, but it's still humans that program the Nexus 0.7 so it could actually amplify the problems.
I'm saying we should be wary of all of it.
joe rogan
Oh, it certainly could.
Look, it could go sideways.
It could all go bad.
But it also could go to a point where people don't feel the need to do that anymore.
And that we recognize that a lot of what we have is we are escaping the shackles of our monkey bodies.
alex jones
Oh, our monkey bodies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
So if we're silicon and don't need resources anymore, we can just be spiritual.
And then we'll be able to free ourselves and not hurt the earth anymore.
joe rogan
Hop in that Tic Tac and fly to Alpha Centauri in the blink of an eye.
alex jones
We need to...
No, I already see the transmission.
joe rogan
If you could have a spaceship that would allow you to go anywhere in the galaxy, would you be willing to give up any of your emotions for that?
alex jones
No, I know the digital deal.
Give up your body for the silicon gods and become a god.
joe rogan
This is all fun and games, but like...
tim dillon
We're not even...
I mean, in California, we're not even allowed to go to Applebee's, so let's stop with the spaceship.
Let's just try to get...
I'm not allowed to leave my fucking house.
joe rogan
I want to go to the comedy store!
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean, we'll get a spaceship eventually.
Let's get a few rides back first.
alex jones
I already got your thing.
I'm coming to election night.
You're drinking on me.
Election night!
Top ratings!
25 billion viewers!
joe rogan
Listen, you invited yourself to this.
I think you should settle down.
alex jones
Aliens.
You told me I'm coming.
joe rogan
No, you invited yourself.
alex jones
It's not coming.
joe rogan
No, I said you could come in for a little bit, but you're making it the Alex Jones show.
alex jones
No, I'm not.
joe rogan
It's a bit of an issue.
tim dillon
The Alex Jones election special.
alex jones
Apple juice.
joe rogan
It's a bit of an issue.
Settle down.
alex jones
It's a bit of an issue?
tim dillon
It's going to be a fun experience.
joe rogan
It'll be a lot of fun.
alex jones
No, quit being so mean.
You literally...
joe rogan
Am I being mean?
No, not at all.
alex jones
I think Joe wants to beat my ass right now.
joe rogan
No, I don't.
Listen, Alex, I love you.
But what I'm saying, and I'm not even disagreeing with you, I'm saying that I think when we're talking about aliens and we're talking about life forms from out of space and space travel and shit, when you see them, you see those fucking things, like the iconic aliens, they all have big heads and these little tiny muscle-less bodies.
alex jones
Shaved heads.
joe rogan
They've all escaped all of the things that make us...
They look like what we're going to be.
tim dillon
Yeah, but who wants to be that?
joe rogan
I don't want to be that right now.
tim dillon
I mean, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
No, I'm with you.
I like being a person.
unidentified
Right.
tim dillon
I think we should be humans for as long as we can.
joe rogan
What do you think aliens are?
alex jones
There are all sorts of interdimensional forces in the universe and multidimension.
So there's like bad aliens that are trying to manipulate our development.
tim dillon
Gretchen Whitmer.
alex jones
Because a high level...
Exactly.
A high level would not try to manipulate our development.
tim dillon
Right.
alex jones
Okay, so Joe is like imprinting on these demons because he loves them.
He's a bad person.
No, no, seriously.
So all I'm saying is we need to build towards the next level and do amazing things.
joe rogan
What do you think of the fear?
alex jones
And I did invite myself onto the election show.
tim dillon
Please, it's going to be great.
alex jones
I got on my news in front of Joe.
I'll do it again right now.
I'll get on my news right now.
joe rogan
Stop making it about you.
alex jones
No, it is about me.
I'm front of Ganesh.
joe rogan
You're drunk.
alex jones
I want to come on.
Yes.
joe rogan
We're going to ban you from alcohol.
alex jones
You're going to smoke weed with me.
joe rogan
What do you think about...
alex jones
We're going to have a party.
joe rogan
I will definitely do that on November 3rd.
alex jones
I'll be here two minutes.
joe rogan
What do you think about the theory that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution?
That they came down here and they genetically manipulated lower hominids and they created human beings?
alex jones
Listen, I already have a genetic memory.
I already told you all this.
I mean, I already...
joe rogan
You have a genetic memory?
alex jones
Yes, that's epigenetics.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
So I have a genetic, you have a genetic memory.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
I have a genetic memory, and I have a genetic memory that we're, you know, I have a bunch of memories.
It's like you go watch Star Wars.
Like, I've done this before.
This looks totally normal.
We're in the universe.
We're in the planets.
We're here.
Our life forms have been all over the place, like little seeds.
Jump from planet to planet, like blowing to the space winds.
So yeah, we've already been here before.
joe rogan
Because this is one of the things that Lazar brought up that they discussed with him at Area S4. They said that they believe that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution.
And he wasn't sure if they were fucking with him.
Like when he was reading all that stuff, he's like, is this like disinformation?
alex jones
No, they weren't fucking with him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
I mean, look, God doesn't know where God came from.
joe rogan
Whoa.
alex jones
And we said that last time.
joe rogan
That's heavy.
alex jones
And we don't know where we came from.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
But we have the archetypal memories that go so far.
And then our big fear is to have an evolutionary death of the species.
It's like a line of, you know, flowers or plants or, you know, whatever we are.
And it's a whole genetic experience.
We're conscious individuals, but then we have a genetic experience that goes on forever as long as the life of the genetic experience doesn't die.
So we're always looking for eternal life.
As long as we keep having kids, they have kids, we live forever.
That's us.
We just get better.
joe rogan
Well, as long as the Earth doesn't experience a massive extinction event.
alex jones
But that's what I'm saying.
Well, if we go interplanetary.
So the main mission is that.
tim dillon
November 3rd.
joe rogan
79 days.
tim dillon
79 days of chaos.
alex jones
I am endorsing Joe Biden right now.
joe rogan
I'm voting for Kanye.
tim dillon
By the way, that might be a good strategy if you endorse Joe Biden right now.
joe rogan
I'm going to go with my history of voting for people that have been on the podcast, so I'm going to vote for Kanye.
tim dillon
I'm going with Joe Jorgensen because I like to back a winner.
alex jones
Am I sitting in the same seat as Kanye?
joe rogan
Yes, you are.
alex jones
Alright, I'm fulfilled.
joe rogan
It's the best.
Alright, but before this goes any further off the rails, I think we're good.
tim dillon
We've done it.
alex jones
Oh, you want to end this transmission?
joe rogan
Do you?
alex jones
I never got to all my notes.
joe rogan
You got more shit?
What else would you like to talk about?
alex jones
I got more shit than you can fucking imagine here.
tim dillon
You gotta come back November 3rd.
You gotta have guys wheel in documents.
Just wheel in documents.
alex jones
Joe said it.
Joe said it.
He's like, you're the one inviting yourself November 3rd.
tim dillon
Oh, you're coming.
joe rogan
You certainly did.
alex jones
I waited like...
joe rogan
You invited yourself.
alex jones
19 months or something.
joe rogan
Alex, if I showed you the list of people that are trying to get on this fucking show, it would make your head spin.
alex jones
I know, but I live down the street.
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
I don't care.
You don't want me...
30 minutes on election night?
joe rogan
We're going to be fine.
We're going to be fine.
But I'm just saying...
unidentified
I don't know.
tim dillon
I'm going to survive without it.
unidentified
I'm fine.
joe rogan
It's very difficult for me to manage a fucking small fraction of the number of people that are trying to get on.
alex jones
Well, this is an epic podcast.
We've only...
We've got to go another hour.
joe rogan
It is.
unidentified
Oh, God.
tim dillon
That will be dead.
alex jones
This is going to be bigger...
Then the Elon Musk.
joe rogan
It doesn't have to be, man.
alex jones
Stop thinking like that.
I'm the second biggest podcast.
joe rogan
You can't be competitive.
alex jones
Every listener has to spread this link right now, or I'm going to die.
joe rogan
Well, YouTube...
alex jones
No, I wrote notes for you.
Let me read these notes to you?
joe rogan
Yes, please do.
Please do.
alex jones
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay, what's important?
alex jones
Major goals to accomplish.
joe rogan
How the president could invoke martial law.
You handed this to me.
I don't even know what he did.
It's like a magic trick.
All of a sudden, this is in front of my hands.
I don't even remember getting here.
I don't remember me having this.
alex jones
These are big, important topics.
tim dillon
Do you drive around with this just in the car?
joe rogan
No, he's actually done research to prepare for this show.
Don't research shame him.
alex jones
And then I was like, I'm not going to drink.
I'm going to be good.
And we're already here.
tim dillon
We're talking about heavy shit.
joe rogan
I just wish this was six days from now so I could be drunk with you.
alex jones
How many hours are we into this?
joe rogan
We're three hours in.
tim dillon
We're three in.
alex jones
If we don't break the last record, we're going down.
tim dillon
What's the last record?
joe rogan
No, we don't have to break records.
alex jones
No, Tim Dillon, you rant while I get ready.
Give us your latest comedy.
I love Joe like it's true.
I was like, literally, he's like, Joe, can I please come under the election?
joe rogan
Listen, we're going to be fine.
Let's not talk about that.
alex jones
And he slapped me.
We're good.
He goes, boom.
joe rogan
I didn't do that.
alex jones
And I groveled the ground.
joe rogan
None of that happened.
But tell me, go over your notes, and Tim and I will talk.
Is this everything that you hoped it would be?
tim dillon
This is my version of a Make-A-Wish kid going to Disney World.
This is the greatest thing I've ever done is to sit here.
I've watched Alex since I'm 13 years old, pre-9-11 when he was ranting about the WTO, and I followed him through 9-11, through Bohemian Grove, all the big events of my childhood, and it's just as big to be here.
joe rogan
Can I say I'm very impressed with your knowledge?
You know a lot of this stuff.
tim dillon
I didn't go to college, so you have a lot of time.
You have a lot of time if you don't go to college.
I'm self-educated.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, there's a lot of information that you have at your disposal.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got some notes?
alex jones
I like how your new studio is like a colon.
joe rogan
Listen, this new studio came together in just a few weeks.
We really didn't know what to do.
alex jones
I'm not putting it down.
joe rogan
I had this room.
We banged it out real quick.
alex jones
But this is going to be known as the colon.
tim dillon
The Red Pill.
joe rogan
Some people call it the Red Pill.
Yeah, that's Radio Raheem.
alex jones
Oh my God, this is the Red Pill.
joe rogan
He called it the Red Pill.
alex jones
So this is a very rare studio.
You're getting a new one ready, I know.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're having problems finding a good location.
But yeah, we'll have a new one.
alex jones
How about my house?
I got a huge area.
joe rogan
We're going to find a good spot.
tim dillon
It's amazing.
joe rogan
We're looking right now.
We're in the process.
alex jones
All right, let's get serious.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Oh, I covered a lot of this.
joe rogan
Alex, we're good, man.
We're good.
alex jones
No, we have to do it for another two hours.
joe rogan
We're going to see you again in a week.
alex jones
Oh, so I am on the nightliness.
unidentified
Relax.
alex jones
I have to beg.
How about I just beg a little bit?
joe rogan
Come on, man.
Is there anything else you really want to discuss?
alex jones
No.
I mean, I'm glad that Jamie is better than I am at Search the Internet.
I'm not kissing his ass, but I'm really good at it.
He's better than I am, which almost no one is.
joe rogan
He does it with one hand.
alex jones
The problem is I remember all this stuff.
Now, most of the time it's accurate.
Sometimes it's not.
But, I mean, if I'm saying something, I believe I saw it or I did it.
jamie vernon
One thing that was in there, I didn't want to correct earlier, but the year you were talking about something, you kept saying 1963, and then they went to like 82 or whatever.
That happened in 73. That group wasn't even around yet.
Something of Rome?
alex jones
Club of Rome.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that wasn't even created until 68. So just for clarification purposes.
joe rogan
Okay.
Cool.
alex jones
I think they had a subgroup earlier than that.
I'm not saying you're wrong.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, who knows?
tim dillon
I mean, he has George Soros COVID. This is a compromised individual.
joe rogan
Google might have compromised the records.
alex jones
Oh, that's another thing I want to say.
Can I tell us?
tim dillon
Yeah.
alex jones
This is the most important thing we said tonight.
We said a lot of important things.
But both of you are not drinking.
tim dillon
Yes.
alex jones
So you don't know.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
But this is it right now.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
mRNA vaccines.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
So when you think about a regular vaccine, it goes in, it's a broken bacteria, a broken virus, it's defeated, your body learns how to kick its ass.
It's like a dummy.
It's like having an attack dog training on a dummy.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
The T-lymphocyte, white blood cell, it's like a big badass Mike Tyson, it learns how to defeat it.
mRNA vaccines go into your cells as a virus.
They're viruses.
So it's a virus they inject you with that reprograms your cell to then have a certain response to things and release proteins, which is what cancer does.
And so they admit on the news that 100% of people that take these are getting sick, 20% are going to the hospital.
And so, they also have vaccines that are called behavior modification vaccines.
You can type it in.
joe rogan
Okay, but let me pause right there.
mRNA vaccines, you said 100% of them get sick and 20% of them go to the hospital.
alex jones
They had two studies.
In one study, 100% got sick, 20% went to the hospital.
In another study, 80% got sick, and of those, 20% went to the hospital.
That's CBS News.
joe rogan
Jamie's going to find that right now.
alex jones
You can type in Bill Gates grilled over vaccine dangers.
You'll have CBS News reporting it.
But the point is, they admit a bunch of vaccine deaths have happened now from the test.
But what was I getting to you before that?
joe rogan
You were just talking about mRNA vaccines.
alex jones
Oh, behavioral modification.
Yeah, so type in vaccine to cure heroin addiction.
joe rogan
We're going to get to that, but before we get to that, we've got to Google the stats on mRNA vaccines because this is going to be highly contested, so we have to find out.
alex jones
Well, no, I'm not going to share the clip.
Bill Gates.
joe rogan
But we just Googled the stats on MRNA patients in trial.
alex jones
I think they don't even have the stats on that.
joe rogan
So how do you know it?
alex jones
Bill Gates was on CBS News.
joe rogan
And he said 80% of the people get sick?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
And 20% of them go to the hospital?
alex jones
No, it was two vaccines.
They said one vaccine 100% got sick.
And a certain percent went to the hospital.
The other 80% got sick and 20% of those went to the hospital.
joe rogan
And sometimes that does happen even with the flu vaccine, right?
Like sometimes people get a little sick.
alex jones
I swear to God, you type in Bill Gates grilled by CBS. I'll bring it up.
tim dillon
Right.
joe rogan
Certain vaccines do get people a little bit sick, right?
tim dillon
Well, we had that conversation about the whole thing in India.
You know, he introduced a lot of vaccines in India.
There was some negative reactions to them.
I mean, that's what happens.
It's just, you know, a lot of people...
alex jones
Joe, I sent you the article.
joe rogan
At mRNA vaccines.
alex jones
I sent you the article about AP, about the majority of new polio cases are the Bill Gates vaccine.
joe rogan
We'll get to that, too.
Let me see if Jamie can find this mRNA thing.
alex jones
You know, you don't have a Morton's next door here.
joe rogan
M-R-N-A. I mean, I don't know how to look it up, but I'm like...
alex jones
Are you going to steak, or are you going to go barbecue?
jamie vernon
I'm just finding lots of barbecues.
alex jones
No steaks?
tim dillon
Oh, yeah, I'll get a steak.
He's hammered.
He's making a point about vaccines, and now we're at steak.
alex jones
I have not hammered at all.
I've been drinking orange juice.
joe rogan
You polished off a half a bottle of orange juice.
alex jones
Joe, I'm just telling you to have fun.
joe rogan
I'm happy you're here.
Legitimately.
So, if you can't find that...
tim dillon
The behavioral modification vaccine.
alex jones
What is it you want to find?
joe rogan
Bill Gates polio vaccine.
Causes of polio.
alex jones
AP. AP. AP.com.
The headline, the exact headline is...
joe rogan
Why does everybody hate Bill Gates?
What is going on?
alex jones
Because he's so sexy.
tim dillon
I don't think people hate him.
alex jones
No, it was like...
joe rogan
AP. Bill Gates did not say 700,000 people have negative side effects.
alex jones
He did say that!
My God, he said it on NBC News.
joe rogan
Bill Gates did not say 700,000 people have negative side effects from a coronavirus vaccine.
tim dillon
I have the video of that.
joe rogan
Okay, but pull up AP Bill Gates polio vaccine.
But that's a coronavirus.
He said polio vaccine.
alex jones
Alright, now I'm pissed.
I'm going to tell you the headline.
It was...
joe rogan
Let's see if there's a polio article.
alex jones
It was UN. UN vaccine causes polio.
joe rogan
UN vaccine causes polio.
Okay.
UN vaccine causes polio.
alex jones
Google is not going to show you shit.
tim dillon
Google is compromised.
Can you just ask Jesus, please?
joe rogan
UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan was caused by oral vaccine.
tim dillon
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim dillon
It's not good.
joe rogan
New polio outbreak in Sudan is caused by oral vaccine.
Look at that kid's face.
Oh my god, is that a terrifying image?
The image of them distributing that.
Look at that poor kid's face.
Imagine that kid getting polio from that vaccine.
He looks so terrified.
Oh my God.
tim dillon
Yeah, I mean, that's tragic.
alex jones
Then a bunch of them died, but it's just me, it's just Alex Jones.
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
Back up, back up, back up, back up.
joe rogan
What does it say up there?
World Health Organization says a new polio outbreak in Sudan is linked to an ongoing vaccine-sparked epidemic in Chad.
alex jones
A week after the UN... Vaccine sparked epidemic.
joe rogan
Health agency declared the African continent free of the wild polio vaccine.
World Health Organization said it found 11 additional vaccine-derived polio cases in Sudan and that the virus had been identified in environmental samples.
There are typically many more unreported cases for every confirmed polio patient.
The highly infectious disease can spread quickly in contaminated water and most often strikes children under five.
Fuck.
tim dillon
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
In rare instances, the live polio virus in the oral vaccine can mutate in a form capable of sparking new outbreaks.
alex jones
So let me tell you a story.
My grandmother died three years ago at 92. Incredible woman.
joe rogan
That's fucking terrifying.
alex jones
She was told by her doctor in 1954, when she got the second polio shot, they said, sorry, it was live.
It paralyzed her.
She was on crutches the rest of her life.
They told her it did to her.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
So see, I just told you that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's true.
alex jones
And that's a whitewash what AP's doing.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
alex jones
So, I'm telling you, I make mistakes because I can't remember all this stuff.
joe rogan
I understand.
You remember a lot.
alex jones
But I'm not trying to lie.
The last thing I want to say is this.
I'd like to retire the next year.
I'd like to finish up my work, clean up mistakes I made, talk about other stuff, because I'm in a dot of a heart attack or going crazy.
I do this 18 hours a day.
joe rogan
I'd like to get you in shape.
alex jones
I'm totally stressed out, Joe.
I'm dying.
joe rogan
I know you are.
I'm dying.
alex jones
I literally do this stuff constantly.
I read thousands of articles a day.
joe rogan
I know you do.
If I text you at 3 o'clock in the morning, you respond right back.
alex jones
You're wide awake.
I'm not a victim.
I'm just telling you, I'm dying.
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
So I can't do this much longer, and I want everybody to know, I love my crew, but I told them I can't keep running this operation.
I just want to tell the truth, and I want to get out in the next year.
It doesn't mean I won't go on your show once a year and write a book or something, but I'm dying.
joe rogan
I want you to get healthy.
alex jones
I need to get healthy.
I try to get healthy.
joe rogan
Why don't you hire a trainer and hire a dietician?
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
I tried.
joe rogan
Because I know you got off the booze for quite a while, and we were talking, and you said you felt great.
alex jones
I did feel great.
I lost like 40 pounds.
joe rogan
How long did you get off the booze for?
alex jones
Four months, no alcohol, about eight months, and barely any, and like the last three or four hours right back.
joe rogan
But you were talking to me about Adderall, too.
I want you to talk about that, because that's a good thing for people to hear, the problems that you had with Adderall, because that shit scares the fuck out of me.
alex jones
Well, I'm not going to get into any of that type of stuff.
The point is that the things that doctors push, the things that go on...
The whole country's drugged up on a bunch of stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And it's not good.
But I'm not.
I do caffeine and alcohol.
That's it.
And it's all very, very destructive.
And, you know, it gets to the point where, like, you're exhausted unless you drink.
And it's not a good thing.
That's why I'm glad you sober in October.
Last October, I was sober.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you think you could just kick it totally?
I mean, you kicked it for four months?
Do you think it would be good to kick it totally?
alex jones
If I wasn't doing a show every day and having to read, I mean, I'm not exaggerating.
I read 50 articles.
I'd probably scan a 500. I mean, I look at so much stuff that it's enslaving me.
Like, I just want to...
I don't want to be around it anymore.
It's not like I'm scared of it.
I want to be something else.
joe rogan
It has negative consequences on your health.
alex jones
Yeah, so for me, I just want to get away from all of it.
joe rogan
What do you want to do?
alex jones
I'd love to go hunting, fishing, and hiking, and oil painting, and doing sculpture.
I love metal sculpture.
That's a beautiful chimpanzee skull right there.
I mean, I've done this 26, 27 years, and when you've done it that long, you want to stay in the fight, but at the same time, you want to not do it anymore.
And that's the thing about people, the Democrats suing me and attacking me, Before Trump even got elected, I was already telling people, hey, I'm going to shut this company down.
I can't fund all of you.
I can't do this anymore.
Them attacking me made me keep fighting.
joe rogan
Did you think that if you were healthier, if you maybe just did less, you could be all right with it?
alex jones
I didn't do that as a stunt.
I'm being quite honest with you.
I'm a smart.
I'm a smart.
I think I'm going to die of a heart attack at like 50-something.
I'm 47 now.
And I just have to, like, there's no way to do this full-time.
Either you do it or you turn loose.
And I'd like to just for a few years just disappear.
joe rogan
So you think that the amount of shit that's out there and when...
And this is a problem with conspiracies, right?
Because you keep finding more and more and more that are provable.
And you start going crazy.
Because you start really...
alex jones
Exactly.
unidentified
You can't sleep.
alex jones
And you lose who you...
Exactly.
I don't like the globalists.
I'm not giving in to them.
I'm giving in to my own body.
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
Their attacks keep me fighting them.
They keep thinking, oh, let's mess with him more.
He'll give up.
That makes me attack more.
I'm trying to get him to top attacking me.
It's not some Machiavellian thing I'm saying.
I don't want to look at the news.
joe rogan
Maybe if he just took some time off and just got healthy.
Maybe that's what you need.
Maybe you just need an extended vacation.
You're your own boss, right?
You could do that.
tim dillon
Do you ever think you maybe shrink the operation down a little bit and then you could kind of do what you want, how you want, you know, instead of instead of just being a 24 hour day operation, you could just take it down?
alex jones
Well, here's my problem.
Let me get personal.
I mean, I had perfect teeth till like two years ago.
I have to wear a mouth brace because I literally crush my teeth when I'm asleep.
Like I broke one just the other day.
I got implants going in.
right here, and I'm just like literally in my sleep clenching my teeth so hard that I've got like giant muscles.
Like I'm not a little Schwarzenegger, but my jaws are.
They're like a chipmunk.
Psychologically, I'm trying to defeat all this.
At a certain point, I can't do it all.
So I don't feel sorry for myself.
tim dillon
You've earned it.
You've earned some time off.
joe rogan
Yeah, why don't you just take some months off?
Just mark an extended hiatus whenever you feel like you can get away and just decide you're going to take three months off, put the fucking cell phone down, eat healthy, exercise.
You could hire a trainer.
Not a bad idea.
alex jones
There's nothing I want to do more than that.
joe rogan
Because, you know, when I'm doing this Sober October thing, and when I've done it in the past, one of the things that we've done is these fitness challenges.
You don't even realize what you can do until you're forced to do something.
If you force yourself, like, say, hey, for the month of...
January.
I'm not going to drink and I'm going to exercise every day and I'm going to put it up on my website and let everybody know what I'm doing and just force yourself to try to get healthy.
Only eat healthy food and maybe get a dietician, maybe get a trainer.
Not even maybe.
Get a dietician.
Get a trainer.
Get someone who makes you meal preps for you.
Gives you healthy food to eat and this is all you're going to eat.
No processed bullshit.
Just healthy food.
Wouldn't be a bad idea.
Just take a whole month and do nothing but that.
Just leave the fucking news alone.
Let this crazy world sort itself out.
alex jones
No, I agree because now I look at news and it's just like, you used to have like, oh, I got them right here.
Now I'm almost like, oh my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, because you're probably overrun.
You know, you're probably taxed out.
Your body's probably like barely hanging in there.
I mean, if you're boozing a lot and you're not getting sleep and you're grinding your teeth, none of these are good signs.
alex jones
I've been honest about it with the listeners, but at the end of the day, this is fundamental.
This is an anti-human movement.
It's a globalist movement.
And I get people that are doing it are sociopaths that have created cosmology to explain why they're doing all these evil things.
I feel like it's such an important mission that it should be exposed.
Joe, I'm just glad you moved to Austin.
I'm glad that Tim's here.
Tim's moving.
joe rogan
He just told me.
tim dillon
I gotta save LA first, and then I want to go work with Bill and Melinda Gates for a while, and then I will come to Austin.
joe rogan
You can't save LA. I know.
tim dillon
I know.
We'll see.
November 3rd.
alex jones
So, Joe, what is your prediction?
Who wins?
Who wins in six days?
joe rogan
I'm not smart enough to make the prediction, but I do think...
alex jones
Trump's gonna win.
joe rogan
I think it's gonna be chaos either way.
tim dillon
It's gonna be chaos.
joe rogan
I think if Trump...
I've never, ever in my life felt this country more divided.
It feels more divided now than I've ever felt before, where the possibility of a civil war doesn't seem outside the realm of possibilities.
It doesn't seem like something ridiculous.
If they said it in the past, someone said, oh, this country is on the brink of a civil war 10 years ago.
I'd be like, listen to this crazy fuck.
But you say it now, and I go, I could see it.
alex jones
Yeah, Tim, why are you not moving to Texas?
tim dillon
Well, I might eventually.
joe rogan
He's moving to Texas.
tim dillon
I might eventually.
I don't know.
We're going to see.
joe rogan
I've got to open a comedy club here.
tim dillon
Joe convinced me that Joe told me to move to L.A. a year ago.
And then I moved and it just destroyed.
joe rogan
Wow!
unidentified
The pandemic!
tim dillon
If he told me to move here, I might move here.
joe rogan
We're going to start a comedy club out here.
tim dillon
Yeah.
joe rogan
We're going to set this place up right.
tim dillon
Well, thank you for having me.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
I appreciate you being here.
It was everything I hoped you would be.
This was a great one, Alex.
This is really good.
I think people got to see a side of you that they maybe even didn't see in the other two podcasts.
I think you did a great account of yourself.
alex jones
Really?
I think so?
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of the shit that you brought up today was...
I mean, you were pulling shit off the top of your head.
A lot of it was accurate.
A good, solid percentage.
alex jones
I'm not trying to bullshit.
joe rogan
No, you're not trying to bullshit.
No, I know you're not.
This is what I've always told people about you.
And again, I think that we're at a critical time where we've got to rethink all these people that are calling for people to be censored and calling for people to be deplatformed.
I think you've got to rethink this.
I think everybody has to rethink this because you might be looking back on this 10 years from now and going, oh my god, what the fuck did I support?
alex jones
I agree with you, but you're being nice to the censors.
They're tyrants.
We should hear everybody's views.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of people in this machine and a lot of these people, they're not tyrants.
They think they're doing good.
They really do.
I think there's a lot of people that are out there calling for people to be deplatformed, calling for people to be censored because maybe they have children and they see their children being indoctrinated into QAnon and all this kind of ridiculous thinking and maybe they think that the way to fight some of this shit is to just take that stuff offline.
So the kids have no access to it.
alex jones
That only makes their children want it more.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it makes the people that believe that there's a conspiracy to silence the truth, it makes them even more fervent in their beliefs.
They start believing it even more rabidly.
And not only that, it creates echo chambers.
alex jones
And let's end this positive.
You are happy you moved to Texas.
joe rogan
I fucking love it here.
I love the people.
I love the town.
I love everything about it.
I do.
alex jones
But that's the good news.
And Tim Dillon, you come here, lower taxes, good people.
We want all the people from other parts of the country.
joe rogan
Great food.
tim dillon
Good food.
joe rogan
Food here is amazing.
Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff here.
tim dillon
And the kids here are into QAnon, which I think that's good.
All of them.
I think the children should be into QAnon.
joe rogan
Well, they get tattooed when they're in the fifth grade.
Listen, I love you, Alex Jones.
Thanks for being here.
I love you, Tim Dillon.
tim dillon
Thank you for having me.
unidentified
Thank you for being here.
tim dillon
Thank you, guys.
joe rogan
We did it.
alex jones
All right.
We did three and a half hours?
joe rogan
Something like that, yes.
To infinity and beyond.
alex jones
Band.video.
Don't visit it.
Band.video.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
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