June 30, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| What's up, brother? | ||
| Good to see you, man. | ||
| We finally did this. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Good to see you. | ||
| I had been pestered about four million times when you're getting on Rogan's podcast. | ||
| I'm like, why don't you ask Rogan? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So when you finally asked, I'm like, woohoo! | ||
| I was excited. | ||
| I feel like I've made it. | ||
| Well, so many people have asked me when I've worn your shirt. | ||
| People are like, what is this shirt? | ||
| This rhino shirt. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's Cafaro. | ||
| That's your backpack company. | ||
| And because I've worn this on the podcast, people are like, well, when are you going to get Snyder on? | ||
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When are you going to get Snyder on? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure that probably gets old. | ||
| I have to respect the amount of people that... | ||
| How many times have you changed your phone number in the last 10 years? | ||
| Multiple. | ||
| Yeah, I bet. | ||
| Keep it moving. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotta keep it moving. | ||
| I might have to copy you, and I've got one tenth of the following you do. | ||
| I just... | ||
| It's hard to keep up, and people... | ||
| I'm surprised how sensitive they get when you don't respond to them, and it's like... | ||
| They get angry. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm like, man, I've had guys like, I know you're not that busy. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| You don't really know? | ||
| People get real weird with that kind of stuff when they want something. | ||
| You know, it's like, there's some people that'll text you, and then if you don't text them right back, they'll send you question marks, like, question, question. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| Yeah, it gets, it's weird trying to, little did I know where I would end up in life compared, you know, kind of where I started from. | ||
| And then now, well, it's funny, my wife, she knew me and we met in 07. Didn't have a phone, no computer, lived in the woods, slept on a Therm-a-Rest air mattress. | ||
| You didn't have a phone or a computer in 07? | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| You know what, I think I might have got a flip phone right around that time frame. | ||
| And I was sleeping on a, and this is a no bullshit story, she'll tell you. | ||
| I had gotten divorced and I kind of made this, you know, do whatever. | ||
| I wanted to hunt a lot, get out in the woods a lot. | ||
| So I slept on a Thermarest air mattress in my, you know, you bring chicks over, they're like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| I just had this, you know, 24-inch wide backpacking air mattress. | ||
| I slept on that and just saved, you know, money for whatever, hunting, getting it outdoors. | ||
| And then she and I, you know, screwed around, dated for a while and we were apart for several years and we got back together and She's like, who the fuck are you? | ||
| Like, we're in Walmart. | ||
| They're like, Snyder! | ||
| And she's like, is that a friend of yours? | ||
| I'm like, I have no idea who that is. | ||
| Because she skipped all that time. | ||
| And then I'm marketing and I'm wired in all the time. | ||
| She's like, are you a different person in a different body? | ||
| Because I was not different acting. | ||
| She just, you know, she knew me as the low-tech dude that... | ||
| Just was anti, you know, anything technology. | ||
| So because of your podcast, like, and that's probably what, and then Gritty Bowman before that, right? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| All of that stuff, forums and, you know, whatever, all that different stuff just got well known and then, yeah, went from there. | ||
| Well, that world, that world of outdoor enthusiasts and backpack hunters is such a rabid world. | ||
| The guys who are really into that, for people who don't understand, It's like if you combined ultra-marathon running, rucking, and hunting together, it's kind of all those things. | ||
| We've talked about it on the podcast before, and I know I've brought you up before, but that world is the combination of athletes. | ||
| I don't like when people call bowhunting a sport. | ||
| Because I think it's more of a discipline. | ||
| It's a weird thing to call it a sport because it's not like there's a game going on. | ||
| You're hunting an animal. | ||
| But it's a discipline. | ||
| But it also requires athleticism. | ||
| It requires the kind of workout that... | ||
| I mean, if you're going to be able to make it 15 miles into the backcountry with a 40-pound pack on... | ||
| You have to be in insane shape, and you've got to be able to get out with an animal on your back in multiple trips. | ||
| It could take you several days. | ||
| Just the taxing effect that it has on a human body. | ||
| So the guys that are into that shit, when they run into a guy like you that's legit, they get very rabid. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Well, I would say... | ||
| Cam kicked it off, right? | ||
| People get sensitive about that. | ||
| Cam was not the original, but Cam was the original that everybody knew. | ||
| And he made a book, too. | ||
| He's got a great book. | ||
| Well, and he was the guy that, you know, going back, he was the first one to promote backpack hunting with a platform. | ||
| Like, I'm not the first stick bow guy. | ||
| I'm just the first stick bow guy with a platform. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I'm the first dude that shoots a recurve that, you know, is somewhat known. | ||
| For people that don't follow hunting, let me explain to you. | ||
| Aaron got too good at shooting with a compound bow, which is probably one of the hardest ways to hunt, so he decided to shoot with a fucking, like, a medieval bow. | ||
| Let's talk about how that got started. | ||
| So, I was you in the fact... | ||
| I made fun of stick bow guys. | ||
| Like, I was bad. | ||
| Like, I was truly mean to them. | ||
| Like, somebody had come down... | ||
| You know, so for people to understand, when you go to an outdoor range, you've got one long line, and you've got targets on the far right, which is like the five-pound weights at the gym. | ||
| And on the far left, you've got the 200-pound dumbbells. | ||
| That's a 100-yard bail. | ||
| So I'm over at the 100-yard bail shooting a Reinhardt 18-1, 100, 120, and I would have stick bow guys come down to me and tell me I'm unethical for shooting that distance, and I would be like... | ||
| You can't hit the bail down there at 10 yards. | ||
| You're at the chump side. | ||
| What are you giving me shit for? | ||
| They would tell you you're unethical for shooting at a target? | ||
| Are you practicing at that range? | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| Why is that that people want to do that? | ||
| They want to tell you what you're doing is wrong. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Human nature, I guess. | ||
| I ended up doing a podcast, talked about God forbid you break down mathematically, right? | ||
| You can break down the speed of an arrow and the accuracy. | ||
| You take a guy shooting, whatever, 290 feet per second, how long does it take his arrow to get to 80 yards? | ||
| How long does it take an arrow to get from 170 feet per second to 35 yards? | ||
| So I kind of evened all that up and said, well, here's apples to apples, oranges to oranges, this is it. | ||
| Fuck, I got hate mail. | ||
| I mean, you're a horrible hunter. | ||
| You're using your ability instead of hunting skills, you know, to shoot. | ||
| So I was like, fuck it. | ||
| I sold everything I had, every compound, every sight, every arrow. | ||
| I didn't want that temptation. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm going to shoot it up. | ||
| We'll see, right? | ||
| We'll see how good I can get. | ||
| Because I never shot a stick bow. | ||
| So you, just because of people's reaction to you, you decided to go to a recurve bow? | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Which is, for people who don't understand the difference... | ||
| So this can be absorbed by people who don't hunt. | ||
| The difference is when you have a compound bow, you have a sight on a compound bow that will allow you to scroll out. | ||
| You can roll out to like... | ||
| So my sight is set at 30 yards. | ||
| That's where it's normally set at. | ||
| But you can go all the way to 120 yards. | ||
| And what it does is it raises your pin. | ||
| So it changes where the pin goes up and down. | ||
| And the pin is how you aim. | ||
| So you can get really accurate. | ||
| See, if you're a guy like Cam Haynes... | ||
| I mean, he shoots at 100 yards all the time, and he can get into a small group at 100 yards. | ||
| John Dudley, the same thing. | ||
| It's very accurate, whereas with a recurve bow, there's no sight. | ||
| You're doing it with the point of your arrow, and you have to practice much more, and it's like throwing a rock. | ||
| If you throw rocks all the time, you kind of get a feel of where you can throw that rock. | ||
| Yeah, throwing that rock was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be, let me tell you. | ||
| So, I'm very goal-oriented at a problem, which is much... | ||
| I'm not very good at losing. | ||
| And I'm not saying I'm a spoiled loser. | ||
| I'm psychotic when I lose at something. | ||
| Like, my wife will tell you, I'll go to a tournament the first thing I do when I get home. | ||
| I'm having her film me breaking down things. | ||
| So, I thought, well, we're going to see if these people are right. | ||
| I'm going to find out. | ||
| I'm going to do nothing but trad. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Trad meaning traditional bow. | ||
| Traditional archery, yep. | ||
| And so I'm lucky enough, Tom Clum, right? | ||
| He's like the Yoda of traditional archery. | ||
| So I go down there with a wad of cash, and they've got several hundred recurves. | ||
| I'm like, hey, I'm going to shoot a stick bow, guys. | ||
| And they've seen me shoot a comp, and they're like... | ||
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Cool. | |
| Let's get you set up. | ||
| And I'm thinking, I've got to get hand-eye coordination. | ||
| This shouldn't be a problem. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| I'm like, I went from shooting 58 Xs on a five spot on average to I can't hit the target at 20 yards. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, this fucking was way. | ||
| I've only shot a recurve bow a couple times, but I did it recently in Hawaii, like, last summer. | ||
| And they had, like, some range out there, and they had recurve bows that you could shoot. | ||
| It's amazing how difficult it is to hit something if you don't have any experience doing it. | ||
| Yeah, well, and I was lucky because I had that whole family there to help me, right? | ||
| So they're, you know, it's like you have in Dudley. | ||
| You know, they took me under their wing, and they're explaining this. | ||
| And so I got what I thought was good pretty fast, which 40 yards with a stick bow is far. | ||
| But I hadn't hunted yet, you know, and so then I go out, and I don't know if you remember, I shot that black bear. | ||
| And, you know, I'm within 40 yards of it for 20 minutes, and in my mind, you would be so dead if I had my compound. | ||
| I just couldn't get a shot. | ||
| And I finally squeaked it in, missed it at like 18 yards, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, Snyder would suck. | ||
| So luckily, and Tom had told me this, he said, you're going to get two or three shots of an animal. | ||
| They don't hear the bow. | ||
| And they don't. | ||
| Landed by its feet. | ||
| It kind of looked around, and I'm like, oh, I'm not going to miss you again. | ||
| She got it on the second shot. | ||
| And I'm like, ah, this isn't... | ||
| I can get this figured out. | ||
| Did you have any qualms about hunting with it? | ||
| Like, how long did it take before you felt ethical enough to hunt with it? | ||
| Well, I hunted with it in three months. | ||
| Did you feel like that was a smart move, or do you feel like you rushed it? | ||
| Well, let me... | ||
| I was psychotic shooting 10 hours a day. | ||
| I was shooting constantly. | ||
| I think I was fine because I had the coaching, I had the help, and I had the accuracy. | ||
| I could hit. | ||
| Doing well. | ||
| To what I had to compare to around me, I was like, okay, this is good. | ||
| So I didn't feel like I went into it unethical, like I couldn't hit what I was aiming at, but I didn't have experience. | ||
| And I mean, you look at knowledge and wisdom, right? | ||
| Knowledge, you're reading about it. | ||
| Wisdom, you're experiencing it. | ||
| Well, I thought what I knew from shooting a compound, my hunting skills would be enough. | ||
| And they were. | ||
| I ended up shooting, I don't know, 11, 12 animals that year. | ||
| But fuck man, it was like every time I went out I was learning something new and I had to totally change my hunting style. | ||
| When you think about it from a perspective of someone who's a non-hunter, they question why you would want to shoot a bow and arrow in the first place. | ||
| Because they think that that would be less ethical than using a rifle. | ||
| Like if you wanted to shoot something you should use a rifle, you could kill it quicker, it's better. | ||
| To go from that to a compound bow, it's like, why are you doing that? | ||
| And then they realize, oh, you can actually be very accurate with a compound bow if you have practice and if you learn how to do it correctly and you're disciplined. | ||
| But to take it another level and to go to a recurve, that's where it gets to, in some people's minds, are you hunting for food? | ||
| Are you hunting for your ego? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Why are you doing it with a recurve bow? | ||
| And I think one of the best answers that I've ever heard from anybody is that they said it is much more difficult but also much more rewarding. | ||
| And when you're eating that animal, you have this insane sense of accomplishment that's actually another level passed even with a compound boat. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Yeah, and you've explained it better there than I could. | ||
| And I'm going to give it a whirl. | ||
| So I went from your side of things, making fun of everyone, to being addicted to getting close. | ||
| So now my—the first year I shot a mule deer at four feet in the cliffs when I drew my bow back, my arrow was between its horns when I drew up. | ||
| Frank took photos of it. | ||
| Oh, that's so crazy. | ||
| But it was one of those things where now the reward from it, like, yeah, that feeling you have when you get it done is— Because it's much more difficult. | ||
| Much more... | ||
| Yeah, much more difficult. | ||
| It makes you think about, like, what it must have been like to be the Native Americans. | ||
| Tell you what it was like. | ||
| He's fucking hungry is what it was like, I bet. | ||
| I mean, it... | ||
| I have technology on my side, right? | ||
| And I have a lot... | ||
| Rangefinders. | ||
| Yeah, binoculars, clothing, right? | ||
| You got everything. | ||
| And so that year, though, when we were going in on a lot of these animals, I was able to get a couple turkeys and a black bear, and I shot a mule deer. | ||
| And that mule deer, like I said, when I was in those cliffs... | ||
| My arrow was between its antlers when I drew back, so I shot it at three feet. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And that would have never happened. | ||
| How did you sneak up on it like that? | ||
| Was it the wind? | ||
| Yeah, so Frank, he was glassing it, and I circled. | ||
| It was probably two and a half miles around, maybe. | ||
| So you were above it on the cliff? | ||
| No, we were... | ||
| When I shot it, I was. | ||
| So, you know, we were across from it, however far we were. | ||
| I mean, over a mile. | ||
| And I looped way around, and I told Frank, I said, hey... | ||
| When you see me, just give me the touchdown and I'm above it. | ||
| Man, I stalked the wrong rock twice. | ||
| I lost my boots. | ||
| Because you took your shoes off to sneak in? | ||
| Yeah, but except I was sneaking in on a fucking rock, right? | ||
| I wasn't at the right rock. | ||
| Because to go that far and hit the exact same spot is difficult because I lost sight of Frank almost the whole way because I couldn't expose myself. | ||
| So when I looped around, when I would see Frank, he was so far away and I was so close to the rock that I thought the deer was under, I didn't want to make any crazy movements. | ||
| And then I would go back to 100 yards, try and find my boots, get my boots back on, loop back around to try to find the spot. | ||
| So when I finally got to the right spot, Frank stood up a mile away, held his hands up and I'm like, it's got to be right in front of me. | ||
| And I caught the top three inches of its velvet antlers sticking up. | ||
| And it was windy, so every gust of wind, which was about every 10, 15 seconds, I took a step. | ||
| I got to nine yards, and I grabbed a rock and threw it. | ||
| And the mule deer, they tell you everything you need to know in the top four inches of their antlers. | ||
| So I'm watching those to see if he moves. | ||
| Didn't move at all. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Threw another rock. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Threw another rock. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| So explain to people. | ||
| You throw on a rock to try to get this thing to stand up so you get a shot. | ||
| To get a shot, yeah. | ||
| So you throw on a rock just to make noise. | ||
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Yep. | |
| In hopes that he just starts to get a reaction. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And anyway, he didn't move. | ||
| And I'm like, I'm going to climb on that rock he's bedded under. | ||
| And I mean, you talk about you couldn't have put a greased flaxseed through my ass with a hammer. | ||
| I had just started doing this. | ||
| And this deer is feet from me. | ||
| And I got my foot on the rock he was on, and I'm like, I hope this, you know, planting off on my right foot to spring up onto this rock. | ||
| I waited for a gust of wind, so I'm 25 seconds from me to you from this deer. | ||
| He's got no idea I'm there. | ||
| That gust of wind hit it, I pushed off, and I was worried the shade, they'll think it's a mountain lion, pouncing on him. | ||
| So I could see the shade of my fat head on the back of his neck, and I'm like, you know, it's one of the most intense moments of my life, you know, as far as this goes. | ||
| And so when I went to draw, I had to sweep my arrow right between his horns and drew back and shot him, you know, straight down, and he ran 50 yards and piled up. | ||
| When you eat that animal, that's got to give you this insane feeling of accomplishment. | ||
| It is extremely, extremely rewarding. | ||
| To a point it's hard to explain in words because you've bested the animal in a lot of ways. | ||
| With sure skill. | ||
| And I'm not saying that like I'm Billy Badass. | ||
| I'm just saying, like, you have snuck into its living room. | ||
| There's a lot of variables. | ||
| And you've earned it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You did it the right way. | ||
| As you know, I've shot a lot of stuff pretty far away with a compound, which I'm not embarrassed of. | ||
| But, you know, it's just now, rather than hanging that badge of honor, how well I can shoot, it's also, you know, how well I can hunt. | ||
| And it's been an uphill road to hoe. | ||
| I mean, there's been... | ||
| How often do you think about, like... | ||
| I mean, I find myself thinking about that all the time. | ||
| Like, I'm real lucky that I could buy food in a store. | ||
| Because this is not... | ||
| Even with a regular compound bow with great binoculars and using a rangefinder and all that jazz, it's not guaranteed that you're going to eat. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Do you think about that when you're hunting? | ||
| It must have been insane to be one of the American Indians on the plains... | ||
| Well, you had Jordan on as well, you know, whatever, the alone guy, right? | ||
| Like, that dude had an advantage. | ||
| I wouldn't want to go against him. | ||
| I mean, that dude was born to live on nothing, right? | ||
| So I always put things into perspective, and he brought it up too, was when things are down, right, when you're mentally or whatever drained, and you think about it, it's like, all right, I chose to put myself out here. | ||
| All the people before me, they had to hack it out with. | ||
| They didn't have Sitka gear, they didn't have binos, they didn't have this, they didn't have that. | ||
| And so it helps motivate me, for one, but I'm like, as weird as it sounds, I think of that a lot when I'm... | ||
| Get my ass kicked, basically. | ||
| It was like, if I had to live off this thing, I would have to put in that extra effort. | ||
| Not only that, they had to make their own bows. | ||
| I'm not to that level. | ||
| I mean, that life... | ||
| I mean, I got on this real long kick of Native American books. | ||
| There's a guy named S.C. Gwen, and he wrote this book called... | ||
| Empire of the Summer Moon. | ||
| And it's all about the Comanches. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of it talks about their lifestyle and talks about the hardships that they had to go through. | ||
| And, you know, mostly bow and arrow hunting for deer and buffalo. | ||
| And it's just that that life must have been insane. | ||
| But it also talks about one of the main characters of this woman, Cynthia Ann Parker, who was abducted when she was nine years old. | ||
| And then the Americans recaptured her when she was in her 30s and she wanted to go back. | ||
| She didn't want to live in a town and live in a house and she fucking hated it. | ||
| It's like that life of, even though it's so difficult, that subsistence hunting life, it's so insanely connected. | ||
| You're so insanely connected to the forest and to the woods, to the animals, just to the earth itself. | ||
| You are, and I think on me, I spent 150, 200 nights a year in the wilderness for the last year. | ||
| Yeah, you probably do more than anybody that I know. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you about this, because your company, Kofaro, which makes some great backpack companies out there that make amazing gear, but you guys make, I mean, there's no arguing. | ||
| It's top of the food chain shit. | ||
| And one of the reasons why your company makes such good backpacks is because of your experience in the woods. | ||
| I mean, you fucking live out there. | ||
| Well, it's weird. | ||
| So when I started, Patrick, the owner, he... | ||
| Same way, right? | ||
| I mean, he's 80 now, or however old, you know, 79, 80. He was the same way as I was. | ||
| So when I started there, whatever, a decade ago, he was... | ||
| I wouldn't say enamored. | ||
| He was happy to see a younger guy that could not get out of the woods. | ||
| And so what was crazy, where most people end up getting stuck in an office, if he came in the office and I was in there and disgruntled, he'd be like, what are you doing? | ||
| Go get your shit and get in the woods. | ||
| He would want you. | ||
| Oh, there's no one. | ||
| He would make me. | ||
| I'd be like, Patrick. | ||
| Man, we got a lot of stuff going on. | ||
| And he always has glasses, right? | ||
| He looks over the top and he's like, son, it can wait. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| So what he wanted was a guy, and he quizzed, you know, there was a long trial period to find his successor, right? | ||
| There was a lot of questioning. | ||
| We'd backpack in and he'd be like, hey, why don't you catch some fish, shoot a couple rabbits and a few squirrels for dinner. | ||
| I'm like, all right, cool. | ||
| And I'd do it, bring them back. | ||
| He'd be like, you want to clean them? | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, of course, I'm like, I didn't know I was testing you. | ||
| I didn't realize it. | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| And then at one point in time, he told me, he's like, you have passed the test. | ||
| And I'm like, I've been doing this since birth, Patrick. | ||
| And he's like, everyone says that. | ||
| Very people have. | ||
| And my... | ||
| My background, my hometown's only 200 people, right? | ||
| I'm in a logging community in Oregon. | ||
| It's right off the Pacific Crest Trail. | ||
| I mean, that's all we did. | ||
| I was on a trail crew team clearing off wilderness trails with a fucking crosscut saw and a hatchet at 14 years old. | ||
| That's what I did in the summers for money. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Different lifestyle, right? | ||
| I mean, my daughter, and I love my daughter to death, and she'd be like, Dad, did you have a job when you were my age? | ||
| I'm like, I was running a fucking 72-inch bar still chainsaw, honey. | ||
| Yeah, I had a job, you know? | ||
| And I've been able to pass a lot of those things on to her, but it's a different lifestyle. | ||
| When I was in high school, you could have guns in your truck, you'd take them into the principal's office, he'd keep them in his office, and then when you got out, you'd go deer hunting. | ||
| I'm not that much younger than you, but a little bit. | ||
| I've heard those days. | ||
| I've heard of those days. | ||
| So, you know, it was something, you know, skipping school, we'd skip school to hunt. | ||
| Well, you'd take off opening day. | ||
| It was like a national holiday almost. | ||
| It was a big deal. | ||
| And so, you know, we didn't have any money. | ||
| I was poor as a kid, so we picked mushrooms, chanterelles, gamakatsus, morels. | ||
| That's what I did for school clothes. | ||
| Split firewood. | ||
| It was a different lifestyle. | ||
| And so, as I've gotten older, you know, all of those things that I learned... | ||
| Have carried on to where now I'm pretty... | ||
| I can sustain myself on just about anything. | ||
| What part of Oregon were you in? | ||
| Detroit. | ||
| And is that Roosevelt elk country? | ||
| So it's east of I-25, so they're hybrids. | ||
| So it's Rocky Mountain and Roosevelt hybrid? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's... | ||
| Cam and I are right beside... | ||
| I mean, we're super close from where I'm from. | ||
| He's 45 minutes away. | ||
| The first bow that I got, actually, I was... | ||
| 13, I'd mowed lawns all summer and worked or whatever, and we went to the bow rack, my mom, and that's just what popped up. | ||
| Springfield, Oregon. | ||
| Yeah, we drove down there, and I don't even hardly remember what my mom was telling me, and we bought a bow, and I didn't know what I was doing, right? | ||
| And I would say, like, the way that, you know... | ||
| At that time, I was pissed because we'd go to football camps. | ||
| I'd have like the poor kids stuff and whatever, but it makes you a lot better person, I think. | ||
| Yeah, that feeling when you're poor and you're young, that's irreplaceable. | ||
| You know, I still think about when I was young, like not knowing if we were going to have enough food. | ||
| I think about that. | ||
| We were on welfare when I was like seven years old. | ||
| And I think about those days because I remember being nervous. | ||
| That we wouldn't have enough food or people being mad at me that I ate too much. | ||
| I've never been mad at my kids if they ate too much. | ||
| But I remember that people would get upset at me if I ate too much. | ||
| And I remember thinking, man, we might not have enough food. | ||
| And there's something that gets instilled in you when you're poor, when you're young. | ||
| There's a nervousness or a drive that I don't think you can replace in a kid that grows up affluent. | ||
| I just don't think it's possible. | ||
| I would agree. | ||
| And I mean, you've been around all walks of life like I have myself. | ||
| And the one thing I wouldn't take back is, you know, now there'll be, you know, of course you get successful and people are like, oh, you know, he's got money, he's got this. | ||
| And it's like, I remember my dad, he worked for the highway department. | ||
| He was a sole provider for the family of four making like $1,400 a month. | ||
| And I had a sister and, you know, both my parents smoked. | ||
| My dad drank a lot of beer. | ||
| So whatever that $1,400 went to, it was a lot less than that after those spices, right? | ||
| And so when I needed something, you had to work for it. | ||
| I remember working my ass off to get a pair of Converse, which was a huge deal. | ||
| They were like $50 or something. | ||
| Where now, you know, my daughter, she works hard. | ||
| So I try to instill some of those things on her. | ||
| But I also probably spoil her too much because I'm like, I do not want you to suffer a struggle like that. | ||
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I know. | |
| Isn't that funny? | ||
| It's like what makes people interesting, I always say this about my friends, like all my friends that are interesting grew up fucked up. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| All of them grew up in like crazy households and fucked up and now they're just like me. | ||
| They're all like really loving parents. | ||
| They love being a father. | ||
| And I'm like, God, we're giving these kids a life that is gonna ensure they're never gonna be interesting. | ||
| Yeah, that's no shit. | ||
| I will say, thank God for my daughter, because I, whatever, she was five when we got divorced. | ||
| And on my side of things, you've got backpack hunters and powerlifters, photographers, you know, team, you know, like tier one group guys. | ||
| And Kaylee's like all walks of life. | ||
| She speaks two and a half languages, working on a third show. | ||
| Two and a half? | ||
| She's not fluent in three, so I say two and a half. | ||
| I don't want to say she's fluent in three, but she's... | ||
| And she's shockingly Caucasian, and she speaks fluent Spanish. | ||
| Like, literally, she's from Mexico. | ||
| And so that kid is super... | ||
| It's a good skill to have. | ||
| Oh, it was... | ||
| I just hired at Cafaru. | ||
| Because, you know, we have different, you know, people... | ||
| Some of our sewers and things. | ||
| It's super handy. | ||
| She can speak it. | ||
| Well... | ||
| We've done good between my ex-wife and I because that kid budgets to a point I want to choke her because she just moved up here and I'm like, look, I'll just pay for it. | ||
| She's like, nope, I don't want any money. | ||
| I'm going to do it on my own. | ||
| I budgeted all this and I'm like, I must have done something right because I would have prayed for help because I didn't have help after 17. I think sometimes it's just genetics too. | ||
| It's what makes a kid a kid. | ||
| I have one kid that's insanely ambitious and super hyper-focused and she... | ||
| Whatever she gets into, she becomes obsessed, just completely obsessed. | ||
| And it's not because of want or need. | ||
| It's just some weird drive. | ||
| So it's like, you know, I think they call it epigenetics. | ||
| It's something that's transmitted down from parent to the child, some desire for perfection and things. | ||
| We should talk about that because that's interesting I brought up. | ||
| I've never smoked weed in my life. | ||
| No coke, no heroin, no nothing. | ||
| And my dad is a huge pothead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I am incapable of losing. | ||
| I hate losing. | ||
| My dad is the most uncompetitive man you would ever meet in your life. | ||
| And it's weird. | ||
| Something skipped. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's my family, too. | ||
| My mom is, like, real laid back. | ||
| She's not ambitious at all. | ||
| She's just real friendly and sweet and easygoing. | ||
| And I've always been just psychotically driven from when I was young. | ||
| I remember when I came home once, I was running in the snow. | ||
| And I was like 16. And I had run up. | ||
| We lived on a hill. | ||
| And I ran up the hill and then ran up the stairs into the house. | ||
| And I opened the door and it's fucking snowing like crazy outside. | ||
| And she's got a cup of coffee because it's early in the morning. | ||
| She was like, I don't even know where you came from. | ||
| And then she just goes into the kitchen and has breakfast. | ||
| I tell you what, though. | ||
| It is good. | ||
| You know, I'm not father of the year by any means, but when we do, you know, simple things for your kid to see, like we do backpack cardio and Kaylee comes, you know, and she can see you're giving it everything you've got. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They see that. | ||
| That shit's, you know, impressionable, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, hell yeah, they do. | ||
| Yeah, they say, like, the best way a guy can be a father to his daughter is to... | ||
| Especially like to set them up for the future is to show them how they should expect to be treated and Show them how you treat other people like the way you behave Around them is like what they're gonna learn. | ||
| Yeah, like being if you're respectful and friendly Like the way you are that that results oftentimes better For them to see then even what you teach them and tell them because what you tell them only goes so far but what they see is When they see you drive or driven, when they see you work hard, when they see you diligent and respectful and friendly, that's what really, like, sinks in. | ||
| Yeah, it's worked good. | ||
| So I crossed my fingers. | ||
| She's 19. So, I mean, I wouldn't change anywhere. | ||
| I was a little fuckhead when I was a kid. | ||
| I was bad. | ||
| Yeah, I was a fuckhead. | ||
| I was a fuckhead for sure. | ||
| We were talking, you know, where I'm from, while we were bouncing around in rabbit holes, there's a lake I live on. | ||
| It's like nine miles long. | ||
| And you're a product of what you're surrounded by. | ||
| So, you know, all my dad and his friends, you know, did not like tourists, right? | ||
| So we would cut boats loose and push them out in the lake for all the people camping. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, it's old enough now I can't get in trouble, right? | ||
| Your dad was teaching you how to do that? | ||
| He didn't teach that. | ||
| He was just constantly complaining about tourists, right? | ||
| So then we would wreak havoc and then go Yogi Baron, you know, get camoed up, go steal everybody's beer in the middle of the night. | ||
| Why did he not like tourists? | ||
| What was it? | ||
| I don't... | ||
| California was probably the worst one, right? | ||
| I mean, freeing from Oregon, you know? | ||
| If you're from Idaho, you bitch about people from Washington. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| You know, my world was so much different because I left at 17 and, you know, I joined the Army. | ||
| I was in the Army for a few years and then I got out. | ||
| And so from how I was raised to how I end up, it's just different, you know? | ||
| I mean, I'm 200 people in my hometown. | ||
| I mean, I live in Denver now, for God's sake. | ||
| So it's a big difference. | ||
| Giant difference. | ||
| Well, and I mean, social diversity as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like now I... From where I was to, like, right now, the views I was raised with, I mean, everything has changed, you know, greatly. | ||
| For the better. | ||
| I mean, I'm... | ||
| You look back, I mean, I'm sure your same thing made you, you know, I mean, my dad was not exactly easy on me, but it fucking made me tougher, so I can't bitch about that. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's like you wouldn't want to go through it again, right? | ||
| You don't want to be, but there's some insanely valuable lessons in that. | ||
| But I think, you know, I mean, I don't think it's impossible to raise a good kid, you know, if you're not struggling. | ||
| I don't think it's impossible, but I think it's more difficult. | ||
| What is that old expression? | ||
| It's easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than to go to heaven. | ||
| I don't know that one. | ||
| I think that's an ancient biblical expression. | ||
| Usually my sayings are much different than that. | ||
| I usually get in trouble for them. | ||
| But yeah, I'm sure that sounds, I'm sure that makes sense. | ||
| Did you just bust out your Copenhagen? | ||
| I did. | ||
| Am I cool to chew on here? | ||
| Do you need a bottle to spit it into? | ||
| I got this here. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| How often do you have to chew that shit? | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's funny you mention that, about a can and a half a day. | ||
| Cowboy gave me some once and I swallowed it. | ||
| Oh, did you puke like Luke? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Every time Luke borrows a dip. | ||
| Oh, you manned up? | ||
| It didn't even make me sick. | ||
| Luke puked all over yesterday. | ||
| The film crews were everywhere for the tournament and Luke is just yakking uncontrollably. | ||
| I'm like, oh good God, somebody get a camera on him. | ||
| Jamie thinks it's funny. | ||
| Didn't even know you swallowed it. | ||
| That I didn't know I swallowed it? | ||
| It's unbelievable to know that's so disgusting. | ||
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That's why he asked if you puked right away. | |
| Yeah, no, I didn't puke. | ||
| That's pretty solid. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I drank for the first time with Luke not too long ago. | ||
| I haven't drank in a couple decades. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| What made you have a dream? | ||
| I told him I would. | ||
| He said, I want you to get you fucked up on my podcast. | ||
| I was his first guest. | ||
| And so, you know, you've known Luke for forever. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if you... | ||
| How long have you known Luke? | ||
| Decades? | ||
| Quite a... | ||
| We should say who he is. | ||
| Luke Cordillo. | ||
| He is involved in MMA. He's been involved in MMA forever. | ||
| Used to be a fighter. | ||
| Works with Justin Gaethje. | ||
| He's a UFC interim lightweight champion. | ||
| Yeah, I've known him a long time. | ||
| He's always been around. | ||
| Yeah, so we shoot archery constantly. | ||
| In fact, you know, for everybody listening, I have taken every bit of money from Luke. | ||
| He's about to get divorced. | ||
| Just to remind you of that, Luke. | ||
| Do you guys gamble in archery? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I'm not a good guy to gamble against in archery. | ||
| I didn't know gambling in archery was a big deal, but it makes sense. | ||
| It is in bowling and pool. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| If you have, you know... | ||
| Pick guys. | ||
| You get, you know, Dudley and Cam and me and you and, I don't know if you know Levi Morgan, probably the greatest archer to ever hold a bow in his hand. | ||
| I hunted with him in Utah last year. | ||
| Yeah, it's a super cool dude. | ||
| We were in camp together. | ||
| Yeah, great guy. | ||
| Think about the amount of money if everybody's got a few hundred in their pocket and the shit-talking starts. | ||
| Well, Luke is the epic shit-talker, but he does not have the skill level to back that up. | ||
| He just loves talking shit. | ||
| He does, and so I goad him into gambling. | ||
| So yesterday, I think he's $45 short of paying up, but I'm pretty sure he's about to get a divorce from gambling too much. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah, it's bad. | ||
| Well, in pool, they would always tell you that you should gamble because it'll make your game better. | ||
| Hell yes, it will. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I would imagine that that same thing would be said for shooting because you would be able to fire under pressure. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Are you packing right now? | ||
| I'm packing it, yeah. | ||
| I'm going to put an upper decker in. | ||
| An upper decker? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you worry about mouth cancer with that shit? | ||
| I don't. | ||
| No? | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at the size of that wad. | ||
| Holy fuck, dude. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's worse than the bottom lip. | ||
| That was like a handful of grass. | ||
| Like you just grabbed... | ||
| Grab some mulch. | ||
| Yeah, I started chewing Zin. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Is that fake? | ||
| No, it's not fake. | ||
| It's strong, but it doesn't have the carcinogens in it. | ||
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What? | |
| How do they do that? | ||
| Christ, man, don't make me explain. | ||
| Jamie, can you look at... | ||
| Yeah, how could they take the carcinogens out? | ||
| So... | ||
| If people hear me coughing, it's not the COVID, folks. | ||
| I did stand-up this weekend for the first time in three months in Houston. | ||
| Shout out to Houston. | ||
| And my voice is shot from screaming. | ||
| I didn't realize it, but your voice gets in shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And my voice is way out of shape. | ||
| After the first show, my voice was like a little hoarse. | ||
| Did you pack the house? | ||
| Yeah, well, it's supposed to be at 75% capacity. | ||
| I think that's what they were saying it was. | ||
| So it was packed, though. | ||
| It was a lot of fun, man. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was very weird to be back on stage again. | ||
| A lot of fun, though. | ||
| But LA's bad right now. | ||
| The comedy store just furloughed all of its employees. | ||
| They were hoping to reopen, and they had opened as a bar. | ||
| So they had outside patio seating, and they had it all set up nice, social distance and everything, and then the governor just came down with another order to shut all the bars down. | ||
| And now the Comedy Store has no money coming in, so they're fucked. | ||
| And then it looks like they're not going to open up anytime soon. | ||
| They were hoping to open the Comedy Club back up in August or July. | ||
| That was the hope. | ||
| And it looks like that's not happening now, so we're fucked. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| It does suck. | ||
| Because in Texas, they had it down. | ||
| You wear a mask. | ||
| People wore a mask in the audience. | ||
| Everybody had masks, like getting into the building. | ||
| All the servers had masks. | ||
| You know, they check temperatures in places. | ||
| They know how to keep people safe. | ||
| You've got to give people the opportunity to make their own decisions. | ||
| That's my thing. | ||
| You know, if you want to wear a mask or stay home, that's your prerogative. | ||
| But, you know, I'm not. | ||
| Of course, you know, I'm young and healthy, so whatever. | ||
| I'm not worried about it. | ||
| But you lock people in. | ||
| I mean, I don't see anything good coming out of that. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's not good for the economy. | ||
| It's not good for the people. | ||
| It's not good for their sense of, like, how they fit into the world. | ||
| Well, and I'm kind of with you. | ||
| I'm all for fat shaming, or I'd be fatter than I am now if it wasn't for fat shaming. | ||
| The health, I mean, you think about how unhealthy people are getting just sitting at home. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| 70% of the United States is overweight. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I mean, that really is insane. | ||
| And that's a real problem with COVID. They say that one of the major factors in COVID is obesity. | ||
| It's a huge factor. | ||
| Yeah, which is, you know, in general or whatever, it's pretty, I get a kick out of how we're pretty soft, you know, as Americans. | ||
| I mean, especially if you're in third world countries and you look at, like, people are happy. | ||
| They don't have to go to work. | ||
| And I'm like, good God. | ||
| A lot of people are actually making more money from unemployment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| than they would be if they went back to work, especially like waiters and stuff like that because you're dealing with a much smaller amount of people in the restaurants and businesses because even in Texas, even though the restaurants were open, I think they were at 75% capacity and then they just rolled it back to I think they were at 75% capacity and then they just So if you're working as a waiter or waitress, you're going to make less monies. | ||
| So for some folks, it's actually better for them to say, oh, I don't want to do it. | ||
| I'm just going to keep collecting unemployment. | ||
| And you actually make more money that way. | ||
| I've talked to a bunch of people that have said that, that they make more money off unemployment. | ||
| Well, at Kefaru, we just kept paying everybody. | ||
| You know, we took a... | ||
| Four months off, I guess, just paid everyone, whatever. | ||
| And we, you know, I was looking at, like, how that worked, and I was like, good God. | ||
| Once I started reading about the, you're talking about the unemployment? | ||
| I'm like, Jesus, there's going to be a lot of people that don't go back to work. | ||
| And it's the same thing in Colorado, but... | ||
| It's sad, man. | ||
| It's really sad because there's a lot of people that are losing their businesses through no fault of their own. | ||
| They didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| They work hard. | ||
| They're disciplined. | ||
| They show up every day. | ||
| They put together a business, and now it's folding. | ||
| It's going under. | ||
| And it might be happening to the comedy store. | ||
| They don't know what they're going to do. | ||
| And I heard the laugh factor is about to go under as well. | ||
| So the state of comedy in California is in a real bad place right now. | ||
| Real bad. | ||
| Yeah, that sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to dive into this too much, but it's fucked up. | ||
| It seems way blown out of proportion, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but how many people do you know that are sick personally? | ||
| I know one guy who almost died, and he's not an old guy. | ||
| His name's Michael Yeo. | ||
| He's a comic. | ||
| There was a bunch of extenuating circumstances, and one of them being that he has vitamin D deficiency. | ||
| Another one being that he flew to New York with very little sleep, worn out, did radio and promotion, did TV shows. | ||
| Then did two shows at a comedy club, two shows the next night, flew back home. | ||
| Again, very little sleep. | ||
| Got in his car with his family, drove to Vegas to be with his wife's family, and then drove back home on the same day. | ||
| So that's at least eight hours in the car, just driving. | ||
| And then he had auditions the next two days, and he just was wiped out. | ||
| He was burning the candle at both ends. | ||
| And he got real sick. | ||
| His immune system was just crushed. | ||
| Yeah, but you shouldn't do that. | ||
| All those things, that's too much. | ||
| You know, it's just poor planning. | ||
| And then, you know, on top of that, I think he was run down already. | ||
| Like, he might have had a little bit of a cold already. | ||
| So it kicked in, and it was bad. | ||
| I mean, he was hospitalized for over a week. | ||
| And his doctor actually told him they were, you know, thinking about putting him on a ventilator, and his doctor said, if we put you on a ventilator, you'll probably die. | ||
| And it turns out his doctor was a wise man, because... | ||
| Somewhere around 80% of the people they put on ventilators in New York City died. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| The doctor was saying that if you put him on a ventilator, his body would stop working. | ||
| It's like, if I give your body this machine that starts working for it and your body stops working, there's no guarantee it's going to start working again. | ||
| It's going to breathe on its own again. | ||
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Right. | |
| Scary fucking shit, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But here's the big one, man. | ||
| The real big one that drives me crazy. | ||
| Why are they not talking about how to take care of yourself? | ||
| Instead of all this fear of you gotta wear a mask and you gotta social distance and all that stuff is great. | ||
| Yeah, you should do that. | ||
| You should wear a mask. | ||
| You should social distance. | ||
| But you know what you should also do? | ||
| Drink a lot of water. | ||
| You should also get sleep. | ||
| You should also stop eating sugar. | ||
| You should also take vitamins. | ||
| Supplement your diet. | ||
| Try to get some sunshine. | ||
| Do all the things that you need to do for health. | ||
| Get exercise. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Increase your cardiovascular capacity. | ||
| It's a giant factor in whether or not you, you know, you recover from this disease or how quickly you recover. | ||
| No, my buddy John called and he was like going on a tirade about exact same thing you're talking about. | ||
| He, you know, he's, you might know him, he's PRS, he's a shooter, long range shooter. | ||
| He is a super fit guy, lawn mowing. | ||
| You know, normal dude, right? | ||
| He owns a lawn mowing deal. | ||
| Anyway, but he's one of the better shooters in the United States or, fuck, I don't know, North America. | ||
| Long range rifle shooting? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's a crazy kid. | ||
| I would not want him shooting at me at a thousand yards. | ||
| And he, you know, his thing was, is why the fuck aren't we giving people dieting advice? | ||
| Why aren't we telling people, rather than having all these announcements, it's like, hey... | ||
| We're losing so much money. | ||
| Let's start focusing people as dieticians. | ||
| Let's get people on a health food kick. | ||
| I mean, how many people, and you pick 100 people, 99 probably understand how to eat healthy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not their fault, right? | ||
| I didn't know until later on. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| You know, on my end, I'm super lucky. | ||
| We live at 10,000 feet. | ||
| You know, I've had my wife drop me off the bottom of the mountain, so I have to hike home to get dinner, right? | ||
| You want a way to get healthy? | ||
| You don't get to eat. | ||
| So she drops me off at the bottom of the mountain, and I go to the top. | ||
| She cooks all organic. | ||
| And I talk to some of these people that have other issues, and they're worried about COVID, and I'm like... | ||
| You're worried about fucking COVID, right? | ||
| You've got a hundred other problems other than COVID, right? | ||
| You're like diabetic and a bunch of other shit. | ||
| It's amazing not to get on a diet thing, but America's pretty bad as far as that goes. | ||
| We should put some money into that. | ||
| Our health system is all about fixing you once you're broken. | ||
| It's not about preventing you from being broken. | ||
| Everything is about our health care system is all about care once you're injured or care once you're sick. | ||
| It's very little is about preventative nutrition and making sure you take care of your body and education. | ||
| I mean, our governor, our mayors, all these people are doing is just talking about wearing masks, talking about staying home, flattening the curve, making sure that, I mean, all this shit they're talking that no advice at all about taking care of yourself, no advice at all on meditation, no advice at all on eating healthy and exercise. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's sad. | ||
| I say that as I just jammed a giant wad of chewing. | ||
| How bad is that for you, though? | ||
| I mean, as far as like... | ||
| What is it doing? | ||
| It gives you a little jolt, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, for me, obviously the worst thing is obviously cancer, right? | ||
| I mean, that's bad. | ||
| But other than that, I mean, there's not... | ||
| How many people get cancer from that shit? | ||
| Is it real common? | ||
| Man, I'd have to look that up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What's that there? | ||
| NeuroGum. | ||
| You're going to get me other kind of shit I'm addicted to? | ||
| This is good stuff, man. | ||
| It's nootropics in mint form. | ||
| You've already got me addicted to all that shit on it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| The first time I took AlphaBrain, now that we're just diving down all the time, I had the most crazy-ass dreams, which I knew that shit worked, because I don't dream. | ||
| But either way, I mean, as far as the Copenhagen, my buddy was addicted to cocaine in Copenhagen. | ||
| He tried to quit both. | ||
| He's still chewing Copenhagen. | ||
| So I'll give you an idea. | ||
| It's not easy to quit. | ||
| But that Zin, what we were talking about, it is just nicotine in it. | ||
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It's Z-I-N? Z-Y-N, I think. | |
| And this is the first time in my life I think I'm going to be able to quit. | ||
| So I went from a can and a half a day to about a can every four days. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Are Zin nicotine pouches safe? | ||
| Recently, a novel non-tobacco nicotine product. | ||
| Zin has been developed. | ||
| It is similar to Snus. | ||
| I never knew how to say that. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| I think. | ||
| However, it contains no nitrosamines, is that the word? | ||
| Nitrosamines? | ||
| Or polycylic hydrocarbons, which may potentially be carcinogenic. | ||
| The overall safety of Zin is better than Snus. | ||
| However, it only has a little bit less nicotine than Snus. | ||
| Okay, what does that mean? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| What did you say? | ||
| Don't read anything bad. | ||
| You're going to take away my birthday here. | ||
| So it's a pouch? | ||
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Yeah, it's like a pouch. | |
| So you don't have to pack a wad of mulch and stuff it into your face? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a little more professional, I guess. | ||
| It just gives you a jolt? | ||
| I tell you what, I put two of them in the first time and I got dizzy as shit. | ||
| It's got some strong... | ||
| Because they said it's 100 cigarettes and a can of chew. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Of Copenhagen. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| A hundred cigarettes worth of nicotine? | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| So how many cigarettes worth was that giant wad that you stuffed in your face? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm sure I'm going to get some hate mail from this. | ||
| I'm talking about being fat and unhealthy and I'm chewing Copenhagen. | ||
| Well, it's a stimulant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the other thing, the physical addiction, that's the problem with Zen. | ||
| You don't spit, right? | ||
| You get used to that. | ||
| So you just hold it in your mouth. | ||
| Can you swallow it? | ||
| I do. | ||
| It tastes good. | ||
| Maybe that's why I got so dizzy. | ||
| I got like a citrus one or whatever, but it's the first time in my life where I've been like, yeah, honey, I think I'm... | ||
| Might be able to quit. | ||
| One of the stunt guys I used to work with on Fear Factor used to swallow his chew and he told me that he learned he used to swallow the spit, you know, and he told me he learned how to do that on sets because you couldn't just carry a bottle around and spit into it or spit into a cup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he just would swallow the juice and I thought it was so fucking disgusting. | ||
| It is a disgusting habit. | ||
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| So, but yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
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We'll see. | |
| I guess in three months if I text you and be like, hey, I fucking quit. | ||
| Do you drink a lot of coffee too? | ||
| No, I drink a decent amount of coffee. | ||
| I mean, I have my caffeine. | ||
| I get migraines, so I'm 500 milligrams a day. | ||
| I pretty much map it out. | ||
| So you take caffeine to avoid migraines? | ||
| No. | ||
| I just know that I... As I say that when I got on TRT, I get a migraine once every three months. | ||
| I was getting them once a week. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Whatever TRT did, which I have to thank you for that. | ||
| We'll talk about that in a minute. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I learned really quick seeing neuropsychologists and brain doctors, they don't know a fucking thing about the human brain. | ||
| They're like, here, take some more pills. | ||
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They don't? | |
| No. | ||
| They don't? | ||
| We're in real trouble. | ||
| Well, they're giving me these band-aids, and I'm like, look, I don't want something that fixes after I got it. | ||
| I don't want to fucking get them, right? | ||
| This thing could probably make my asshole turn around and start talking back to me. | ||
| The fucking negatives to this pill I'm taking from my migraines are so bad. | ||
| Was it one of those pills? | ||
| There's some pills that you take once a week. | ||
| I just take it when I get one. | ||
| So I have ocular migraines. | ||
| I couldn't tell you two apart when I get them. | ||
| I get blurry vision. | ||
| An hour before I get the migraine. | ||
| So I take that pill as soon as I get blurry vision. | ||
| Now my head itches and I'm all kinds of goofy. | ||
| There's some kind of anti-anxiety or depressant in that thing. | ||
| There's a bunch of other shit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I don't get a migraine. | ||
| But those pills cannot be good for you. | ||
| I wanted to get to a point, is it my diet? | ||
| Is that what's giving me the migraine? | ||
| Is it caffeine? | ||
| You know, because there was a time I didn't take any caffeine. | ||
| So I map out everything and I kept a log of when I got migraines. | ||
| And so once I got, that's why I know exactly. | ||
| Describe what it feels like. | ||
| I've never had a migraine. | ||
| What does it feel like? | ||
| Jamie pounding a fucking nail through my eye socket. | ||
| So just intense pain? | ||
| I got them so bad I had to get a spinal epidural because I was heaving up blood because I was convulsing basically. | ||
| What? | ||
| From migraines? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| So when you get them, and they're not all that bad, but you get sick and you would vomit uncontrollably and then your esophagus would rub together or whatever and you'd vomit of blood. | ||
| So explain, where's the blood coming from? | ||
| You said your esophagus is rubbing? | ||
| Rubbing together, heaving. | ||
| No different when your kidneys rub together. | ||
| When you dehydrate, you piss blood. | ||
| Same principle, except it's your esophagus. | ||
| That's what that is? | ||
| Your kidneys are rubbing together? | ||
| Is this all science? | ||
| Yeah, I've peed blood a few times on backpack hunts. | ||
| You run out of water, kidneys rub together, and you'll pee blood. | ||
| They rub together? | ||
| That's what's causing it? | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| That seems wrong. | ||
| Well, I'm not a doctor, I just play one on a podcast, but I've had doctors tell me that's why. | ||
| So your kidneys rub together, wow. | ||
| So your esophagus is rubbing together from you, heaving from the pain of the migraine. | ||
| Yeah, from the migraine. | ||
| Motherfucker, that's gotta be crazy. | ||
| So people listening to this, I'm sure you're gonna get all kinds of emails, because when I started talking about it on a podcast... | ||
| I started getting tons of people. | ||
| This is what I took to get rid of them. | ||
| I mean, literally hundreds of people that have suffered from migraines. | ||
| And I've had a lot of concussions, you know, shit, so I'm sure that's part of the problem. | ||
| Well, part of the problem is my blood pressure is extremely low. | ||
| When did you get the concussions from the service, or...? | ||
| I had one bad one there. | ||
| I had two bad ones in football. | ||
| Flipped a bike over. | ||
| Got kicked in the head once later on. | ||
| It was pretty bad. | ||
| I was in a car wreck in another one. | ||
| So I've had nine. | ||
| And did the migraines come after that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And actually, I recently had... | ||
| You'll like it. | ||
| I don't know if you might have listened to it. | ||
| I had Steve Tetreault. | ||
| I was stationed with him in Korea. | ||
| I got hit with an AT4. Got fired off a rocket launcher. | ||
| I was right behind it. | ||
| That's how I got that big knot on my head up here. | ||
| That was when they started. | ||
| That was bad. | ||
| And so, whatever... | ||
| Michael Yeo, who we were talking about before, he actually played football in high school and college. | ||
| And he had some real bad concussions. | ||
| And he gets migraines because of that as well. | ||
| So I think there's probably a connection. | ||
| Well, I would think there'd have to be. | ||
| But one thing I noticed is my... | ||
| Whatever's gone on in my melon... | ||
| My blood pressure is low and I got a bit of a temper problem. | ||
| And so when my anger spikes up, my blood pressure rises, I get a migraine the next day. | ||
| They're real connected. | ||
| Brain damage and temper is very connected. | ||
| Well, I started working on meditation. | ||
| It's helped in my shooting because I can really focus. | ||
| I can get... | ||
| I mean, as weird as it sounds, right? | ||
| You become one with yourself, right? | ||
| So trying to keep my blood pressure low? | ||
| Well, I think with the TRT, my blood thickened up some from when I wasn't taking it. | ||
| My blood was super thin. | ||
| Maybe that's it. | ||
| So when you say thickened, like more red blood cells? | ||
| Well, when I say thickened, this says no scientific nothing. | ||
| When they take my blood every three months, when they first took my blood, it ran like water. | ||
| When they took it the next time, they were like, hey, your blood's thickened up, whatever that is. | ||
| Blood cell count, I don't know. | ||
| They were like, your blood is thicker. | ||
| It is not as thin or runny as it was before. | ||
| And I'm like, is my blood pressure up? | ||
| They said, well, it's normal now. | ||
| For everybody listening, welcome to another episode of Two Morons Talking About Medicine. | ||
| As we're saying that, I told the lady that I work with, and she basically said the same thing. | ||
| She's like, well, we'll take credit for it, although I don't know that it has any scientific weight on the subject. | ||
| But the moment I started taking TRT... There you go. | ||
| Testosterone increases the chance of clot formation in two ways. | ||
| A common side effect of testosterone therapy is... | ||
| There we go with the words. | ||
| Polythemia, which increases the body's supply of hemoglobin and hemocr... | ||
| Hematocrit. | ||
| Affecting the blood cells. | ||
| This can increase the blood pressure and thicken the blood slightly. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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See? | |
| I'm not full of shit, everyone. | ||
| I was 100% truthful. | ||
| Science. | ||
| Whether that has to do with it, that's just a redneck we avoid saying I don't get migraines anymore and that could be why. | ||
| Whatever the actual scientific reason is, my blood is definitely thicker and my blood pressure is normal. | ||
| Well, one of the things that happens also to people that have had a bunch of head injuries is your endocrine system doesn't function properly. | ||
| Your pituitary gland doesn't produce hormones correctly and it makes people depressed. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| It makes you very lackadaisical, lethargic. | ||
| It's very difficult to get motivated for things. | ||
| And they find that with football players, particularly with soldiers. | ||
| A lot of soldiers... | ||
| That are treated by my friend Dr. Mark Gordon. | ||
| He runs this Traumatic Brain Institute and the whole goal of this was essentially to try, initially to try to figure out why these soldiers and football players and martial artists and all these people were experiencing so much depression and what was going on and it turned out that Man, your pituitary gland is really sensitive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your endocrine system just can get really fucked up by even jet skiing. | ||
| Well, luckily, like, having my blood tested every three months, you know, I don't go to the doctor. | ||
| I'm bad about that. | ||
| And so that was, like, the first time I had... | ||
| Physical, basically. | ||
| Ever? | ||
| A couple decades. | ||
| I got pneumonia once and I went to the doctor for that. | ||
| I almost died. | ||
| I was too stupid. | ||
| How a man or a woman, whatever, how a certain individual's brain works is stupid looking back at it. | ||
| I thought I had like allergies or something. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, let's go do cardio. | ||
| Let me work this out of my system. | ||
| I worked my ass right into the hospital. | ||
| I double on pneumonia. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, I'm an idiot. | ||
| Trying to push? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I pushed my way right into almost death. | ||
| I got pneumonia when I was 19. It was rough. | ||
| Well, it took me like six months to get back on track. | ||
| But the lady was super nice. | ||
| I remember going in and she's like, hey, who's your doctor? | ||
| I'm like, I don't have a doctor. | ||
| And she's like, well, you have Kaiser insurance. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| If I have a doctor, I haven't seen him. | ||
| I'm like, you tell me who my doctor is because I don't know. | ||
| Because they assign you a doctor. | ||
| You're not one of those responsible people. | ||
| Negative. | ||
| I'm horrible. | ||
| I'm like the worst adulter known to man. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| And so they gave me the x-ray and they're like, you have double lung pneumonia. | ||
| Adulting is hard. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You know, people give me, you know, you suck at anything, some good at photography, shooting. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I'm fucking horrible at adulting. | ||
| I didn't file my taxes for four years. | ||
| I've got a lot of downfalls. | ||
| Oh, it's all taken care of now. | ||
| When I have people at work that come up with an issue and they're kind of embarrassed, I'm like, look, there is nothing you have fucked up that I haven't. | ||
| Do not be embarrassed. | ||
| I can help you. | ||
| Because I focus on so many other things, things like that just get pushed away. | ||
| Do you find that because of all the time you spend in the woods that it's kind of difficult to concentrate on all that silly shit? | ||
| Because it's when you're out in that primal environment, you know, like... | ||
| There's something about it that makes all that other stuff seem meaningless. | ||
| You don't want to focus on it. | ||
| Yeah, because we live in a society where it's important and I'm not good at it. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| I talk about it all the time at work. | ||
| I mean, I hire people really smart around me Because I'm just not, you know, we could be sitting there in a meeting. | ||
| I shouldn't even say this out loud, which is an extremely important meeting. | ||
| And I'm sitting here thinking what my gear list is and how much my caloric intake will be on a five-day backpack hunt. | ||
| It's normal, though, if you're spending 50% of your time literally sleeping under the stars. | ||
| Because we'll get done with a meeting. | ||
| I'm like, all right, who took notes? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I am now have gotten better at just telling people ahead of time, like, hey, you're going to talk with me. | ||
| We're going to do our initial bullshit session. | ||
| You're not going to want to deal with me after this because I'm going to let you down. | ||
| I'm too busy. | ||
| You're going to deal with Frank or Dana or Anders or whoever that works for me. | ||
| You're going to deal with them. | ||
| Don't expect me to come through because my mind's on too much other stuff. | ||
| And I've had to get a lot better at that because I just don't. | ||
| Function well on stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that one of the reasons why the company is so good and you guys make such good backpacks is because there's real... | ||
| Like, it's hard to... | ||
| Put it down in the real world. | ||
| It's not like accounting or bookkeeping where we have to do the work here, but doing the work of actually sleeping under the stars, actually camping, actually hunting and hiking, that's invaluable, man. | ||
| There's been a few heated arguments over that where they've given me crap about paperwork, and I'm like, oh. | ||
| Totally, I get it. | ||
| I'm going to get better paperwork, but your ass is coming with me on a 10-day backpack hunt. | ||
| And you're not fucking slacking, and you're getting water, and you're building fires, and you're spotting animals. | ||
| And when we get done with that, if you're as good at that as I am, Then I'm going to get better at paperwork. | ||
| But until that fucking day right now, what we're good at is making badass gear for the backcountry. | ||
| That's why I hired you. | ||
| Yeah, it's got to work together, right? | ||
| You've got to be able to do that, and they've got to be able to do the shit that you can't do. | ||
| And we have a tight-knit group now, which is great. | ||
| Everybody knows their role, and we're all supportive of each other. | ||
| But there's times where... | ||
| I got to kind of stop and really take a, like, gut check where I'm like, man, I have so solely focused my life on living and not dying. | ||
| Like, like hunting and staying alive to where, thank God for my wife, right? | ||
| I mean, she's an angel because, like, she's, we're getting ready to buy a house, right? | ||
| And so we, I shouldn't admit this on this, we go to get credit, right? | ||
| Credit, like, check my credit score. | ||
| When would you say is the last time I had credit? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| When was the last time you had credit? | ||
| What would you take a guess of a normal human? | ||
| Four years ago? | ||
| 20. So they're like, well, your debt-to-income ratio is great, which is unheard of. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, cool. | ||
| They're like, you don't have any credit. | ||
| And I'm like, I got a cell phone. | ||
| Like, no, you don't have any credit. | ||
| Oh, because you don't have like a leased car or you haven't had a mortgage or any of those things. | ||
| I haven't had fucking anything. | ||
| And so I was like, so let me get this right. | ||
| I'm not going to say how much I make, but I do good. | ||
| I'm like, so my wife makes substantially less, has substantially more bills. | ||
| And her credit score, she gets approved for more than I do? | ||
| Well, they want to show that you have a history of paying things back. | ||
| Like, I was told that early on, like, to get credit, you should actually get a loan. | ||
| I was like, well, wouldn't it be better if I saved money? | ||
| Well, like, no, it's actually better if you spend money and pay the bills. | ||
| Well, I can tell you, I made an ass of myself at that loan office, because I was like, are you fucking kidding me? | ||
| I'm like, so I can go right now and buy a vehicle cash. | ||
| But that's bad? | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| My wife was laughing her ass off because she knew how I live like a caveman. | ||
| I mean, I don't get bills. | ||
| I save and I buy. | ||
| I bought a Tundra, I paid cash for it. | ||
| Shouldn't that be healthy? | ||
| I thought it was. | ||
| That seems like it's fiscally prudent. | ||
| Well, you are wrong, Joe. | ||
| Literally, I was like, so we had to go. | ||
| So I go to, believe it or not, I go to discount tire. | ||
| I got approved for $1,200, which is insane for what I make. | ||
| And I'm like, so this is, I can get four tires? | ||
| That's all I got? | ||
| And they're like, well, you don't have any credit. | ||
| And so my credit score now is like a 710. I don't know what that means. | ||
| So you have to just buy more shit with credit to get credit? | ||
| Oh, my wife went and got a B&H photo card. | ||
| So we just got a bunch of cards that we could pay off. | ||
| I maxed them all out so she can make payments. | ||
| It is fucking weird, isn't it, that we exist like that? | ||
| I mean, that's the only way people could buy houses, really, though. | ||
| I mean, if you're making $100,000 a year and you want to buy a $600,000 house, that's not even possible. | ||
| By the time you're done saving, the house would be worth more than that anyway. | ||
| Well, my wife gets a kick out of it because she knows how, I mean, she's super close to me, and so she knows how my brain functions. | ||
| And I'm like, why don't people just work harder and go do some side jobs, just figure shit out? | ||
| Well, she's like, yeah, no, people don't do that, honey. | ||
| You're weird. | ||
| They put it on credit. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I'll go put somebody's shower door in. | ||
| I'll figure it out. | ||
| Well, living your life that way for 20 years is not good. | ||
| Well, a lot of people are finding that out because of this pandemic, that living like that with credit and having high bills and paying those bills off, that's what a lot of companies did because they thought it was the right way to do it. | ||
| And those companies are fucked right now because they've had no income coming in at all for three or four months and it's going to implode. | ||
| My buddy Andrew Schultz said it best. | ||
| He said, this pandemic has exposed weaknesses both in people's healths And in businesses, financial health. | ||
| It's exposed the flaws in the way they operate. | ||
| No, it was an eye-opener for me. | ||
| And this isn't something to be proud of, that I haven't been good at adulting for 20 years. | ||
| But I just... | ||
| I literally was like, oh, if I want to set up binoculars, I'll save up and buy binoculars. | ||
| How many people contacted you to talk to you about hunting, though, once shit started getting weird? | ||
| An awkward level. | ||
| And not just hunting. | ||
| Sustainment. | ||
| Can I... I'm trying to name-drop, but Barklow? | ||
| Yeah, John Barklow. | ||
| John Barklow works with Sitka Gear, and he and I are... | ||
| If he wasn't my brother, you would have never known. | ||
| Same mentality, same thought process, same ideas on gear. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| We just did a podcast. | ||
| He's like, are you sure this isn't going to piss anybody off? | ||
| I'm like, fuck it. | ||
| They need to hear it, right? | ||
| What were you pissing people off with? | ||
| The reality of how life works, living in the woods and the people that fake it, basically. | ||
| You know how many people stay out there three days and all of a sudden they're experts, right? | ||
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| Take a lot of photos. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The reality of living, being able to survive and be happy, and then what you read and everything else, basically just talking about that. | ||
| So with the... | ||
| Okay, so everybody grab toilet paper, right? | ||
| In third world countries, you wipe your ass with your hand. | ||
| You don't worry about toilet paper. | ||
| So toilet paper's gone. | ||
| Wet wipes are gone. | ||
| You go to the grocery store, everything that lasts forever is still there. | ||
| Like, you get pasta. | ||
| Top Ramen. | ||
| Simple stuff. | ||
| It's all on the shelves, but all these things that Americans have to have. | ||
| I'm not saying I want to wipe my ass with my hand by any means, but you don't need toilet paper to survive, right? | ||
| You need clean water, right? | ||
| You need food. | ||
| Body will last quite some time, three or four weeks without food. | ||
| With water, it's a couple days. | ||
| And so I'm looking at all these things leaving and I have all my – I'm not like a prepper by any means but we've got crap to house. | ||
| And I was – so this came story time for my wife where I'm explaining to her what would happen if everything kind of shit hits the fan and what's going to happen. | ||
| And Americans are so weird with the way that we think. | ||
| And so I had tons of people from what kind of gun, what kind of survival stuff, fire starter, what kind of stove. | ||
| So, you know, isobutane stoves, a canister stove. | ||
| That's the end thing. | ||
| Everybody uses those. | ||
| But a multifuel stove, when the world comes, when the world ends, the zombies are coming. | ||
| A multifuel stove burns kerosene, diesel, gas, white gas, burns everything. | ||
| No one uses those anymore. | ||
| They're a little bit heavier. | ||
| But things like that, that multifuel stove, everyone should have one of those because you can, no matter where you go, you're going to have some type of fuel to burn in that thing. | ||
| So we talked a lot about that on the podcast. | ||
| That was a lot of the questions I got was, you know, sustainment, basically. | ||
| So, I mean... | ||
| It's a weird world we live in, but I definitely live probably in a weirder one in some ways. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, everybody wanted to know how to get a gun. | ||
| Everybody wanted to know how hard is it to go hunting for the first time. | ||
| Those are the questions that I got a lot. | ||
| Like, how do you get a gun was a big one, and there was lines outside the LA gun stores. | ||
| It was really crazy to see. | ||
| Well, my wife was worried about it. | ||
| I'm like, honey, don't worry. | ||
| I'm going to take theirs. | ||
| Like, don't worry. | ||
| They don't know how to use it. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| If somebody comes trying to get your stuff. | ||
| Well, with a local game warden, we text back and forth. | ||
| He was like, dude, you would not believe how many people are like, I'm just going to go wait it out. | ||
| Drove their asses into the mountains and set up some Walmart tent, and then a snowstorm hit. | ||
| Like, this isn't a story. | ||
| He's like, dude, we're pulling people out like crazy. | ||
| They were doing this in March? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No experience. | ||
| In Colorado, yeah. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| He was laughing. | ||
| He's like, dude, you would not believe the amount of people that were like, I'm going to go wait this thing out in the woods. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| You're camping beside the road. | ||
| You're not really waiting anything out. | ||
| People don't even understand. | ||
| Once you're just one night by yourself out there and you would have a totally different understanding of what it actually means to exist in the wilderness without assistance. | ||
| And it's very scary. | ||
| We're so accustomed to life with assistance, whether it's buildings or electricity or air conditioning and refrigeration and all the different things that we use, supermarkets. | ||
| We're just so... | ||
| Doughy. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So soft. | ||
| What's the longest you've gone without talking to somebody? | ||
| Not very long. | ||
| Jamie? | ||
| Maybe a day. | ||
| So you look at like alone. | ||
| I explained to my wife. | ||
| I'm like, the gear they have is enough, right? | ||
| They have enough to survive. | ||
| I was like, what kills people is they are alone. | ||
| They don't have that many people to talk to, right? | ||
| They don't Think about how many people are afraid of the dark. | ||
| And then what to do if something happens. | ||
| There's all that unknown. | ||
| And that, to me, we go out for fun for 14 days. | ||
| Backpack in with what's on our back for 14 days. | ||
| And we're choosing to do that. | ||
| What about solo? | ||
| What's your longest solo trip? | ||
| 14. 14 solo. | ||
| Boy, you better not have any fucking skeletons in your closet. | ||
| Man, I talk about this a long time. | ||
| You want to talk about everything you fucked up in life by about day seven? | ||
| You're like, I'm a piece of shit. | ||
| I should have done more for my kid. | ||
| Why didn't I? Because you have seven days to think about everything you've done wrong. | ||
| And that's one thing that people really need to understand is getting right with, which I've tried to work on a ton, is just getting right with everything in life that, you know, up until that point, like any wrongdoings you've made, anything, any skeletons, just try to clean them up. | ||
| Well, if you stay busy in life, you can avoid all your mistakes. | ||
| You stay busy, you don't think about your mistakes. | ||
| But when you're alone and you have downtime, that's when they creep into your mind. | ||
| Well, and then sleep deprivation, water deprivation, food deprivation, all of that. | ||
| along with being alone, starts to take a toll on the human mind And it's funny, you see, same with alone, but same backpack hunt. | ||
| I get thousands of emails. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going on my first backpack hunt, going in for 14 days. | ||
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And I'm like, yeah, you're probably not going to go in 14 days, but that's your plan, right? | |
| You're going to go in about three. | ||
| Colorado loves you. | ||
| You're going to donate 500 bucks to an elk tag, and you're going to get in there, and you're going to bitch out, and you're going to head back out in about three days. | ||
| We're going to take your money, and you're not giving it back. | ||
| Is that the average? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Three to four. | ||
| So a lot of guys think they're going to be able to do it, and what gets them, you think? | ||
| What's the first thing that gets them? | ||
| Other than mentally weak, right? | ||
| That's what gets them. | ||
| That's the big one, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, not to bring up Cam again, but he blew that up like it was fun. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| I have to say, like, he's not a gear geek, right? | ||
| Cam is just harder than woodpecker lips, right? | ||
| He's not a gear... | ||
| When I say he's not a gear geek, he's so fucking tough. | ||
| Like, I talked about this in a seminar the other day. | ||
| I used him as an example. | ||
| He pushed this Gore-Tex bivy, which is the worst thing in the world to sleep in. | ||
| But he's so tough, he doesn't give a shit. | ||
| Well, all these people are sleeping in Gore-Tex. | ||
| It's a Gore-Tex coffin, right? | ||
| You can hardly punch your clown in that fucking thing, let alone have fun in it. | ||
| And so when weather comes in, you're in this Gore-Tex coffin. | ||
| You can't do anything. | ||
| Your gear... | ||
| So Gore-Tex bivy is just basically like a sleeping bag that's made out of waterproof material. | ||
| And you just sleep in it. | ||
| And it probably has no breathability or very little. | ||
| Very little. | ||
| I mean, it has some, but you get condensation in your footbox, and then if you use down, your footbox is wet. | ||
| Once the down's wet, it's flat. | ||
| It's no good. | ||
| It's a contractor's bag, right? | ||
| Pretty much, yeah. | ||
| And I mean, they make some that are decent. | ||
| But, you know, I would laugh so hard when Cam was coming up and people are reading all this stuff, and I'm like, yeah, you're not fucking Cam, right? | ||
| Like, you know, you can do—you can think you want to be, and you— When you go, when you hike in, usually, you know, if you're coming from back east, right? | ||
| Forums and all Facebook, whatever, all the shit you different get, and you're packing way too much shit, right? | ||
| Gear list-wise, which I can go over in a minute, but you're packing probably 30 pounds of shit you don't need. | ||
| And so then, you're smoked going in. | ||
| And you've watched way too much Primo's videos, and you think the elk are just coming screaming in, and that fucking doesn't happen, and you don't see them. | ||
| And then the, oh, like, my knees hurt, right? | ||
| Or, oh, I gotta get back to my business. | ||
| All the excuses come up. | ||
| You know, and you can come up with some shit, right? | ||
| I've heard some amazing excuses for coming out. | ||
| The reality is you're just not tough enough. | ||
| And I'm not saying that like, you know, me or Cam or Frank or whoever's tougher. | ||
| But the reality is if you were mentally tough and you really wanted it, you would stay as long as... | ||
| And a lot of that mental toughness comes with the experience too, I'd imagine. | ||
| And it also comes with the experience of forcing your body to do tough things. | ||
| You know, one of the things that Cam talks about is that he really got into endurance racing to improve his hunting. | ||
| When he first told me that, I thought that was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. | ||
| I was like, I don't even get it. | ||
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Like... | |
| You're running to improve your hunt. | ||
| But then once you do it for a while, you go, oh, okay, I get it. | ||
| First of all, I had no idea you'd get that tired. | ||
| Hunting, just hiking, just walking around the woods is fucking exhausting. | ||
| And then when you add a pack, especially if you're living off your back like you do, just the way I do it, if I'm staying in a lodge or I've got a tent somewhere... | ||
| Just carrying your stuff that you're hunting with is exhausting. | ||
| But it's also something about continually and regularly pushing your body and your brain way past the point where you want to quit and doing it so that you're comfortable with being uncomfortable. | ||
| And most people in everyday life are not comfortable with being uncomfortable. | ||
| They never really get to that place. | ||
| Yeah, if you become friends with pain, you'll never be alone. | ||
| And that's what I look at it like. | ||
| And I'm not trying to blow it out of proportion because it is fun if that's what you're into. | ||
| But reality, you're looking at two to seven to eight miles in. | ||
| In Colorado, you're at 10,000 to 12,000 feet. | ||
| When I think about preparing for those things, besides the shit that Cam does, I think about that fucking machine that you showed me that's an inclined treadmill that has barbells on the side that you lift up. | ||
| So you're carrying this thing where you're going up a treadmill. | ||
| What is that thing? | ||
| The Hitmill X. Pull that shit up. | ||
| So, yeah, we have the name for that, which we can cuss on here. | ||
| So it's called the cocksucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I put 45s on either side. | ||
| The problem with that name is some people like sucking cock and everybody likes getting their cock sucked. | ||
| Nobody likes getting on that goddamn thing. | ||
| When we first got it... | ||
| So how I got... | ||
| Which actually this leads into... | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| So this thing, you're doing a farmer's carry uphill on a treadmill. | ||
| And folks, when I tell you, just looking at this thing hurts my feelings. | ||
| So, how I got that, the guy... | ||
| I have to get one of those. | ||
| The guy that's, which I guess, whatever, we can talk about this. | ||
| The guy that's actually purchasing kafaru with me. | ||
| I took him on a goat hunt. | ||
| The day before we went on a goat hunt, he had that downstairs. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Dude, that is like perfect. | ||
| And he was like, man, get on it. | ||
| So I got on it with no weight. | ||
| He had 45s on either side. | ||
| And I'm like, this is made for backpack hunting, right? | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that's probably other than actually hiking yourself. | ||
| That's probably one of the best ways you could ever get in shape for that. | ||
| Well, you think about it, you look at like his little video there. | ||
| So what I do is I have a 45 to 60 pound pack and I have two 45 pound dumbbells. | ||
| And then I'll do five minute intervals with just the pack. | ||
| And then I'll grab the dumbbells and I'll do five minutes of shrugs or just holding the weight up with the 45s. | ||
| Then I go and I put it down to like basically a half mile an hour and I do a truck pull. | ||
| And I put my hands and you're basically just driving forward with your body, not parallel to the ground, but just like if you're pulling a truck with a harness. | ||
| And I do that, and then I do those three exercises and intervals for 30 minutes, and I'm pretty fucked up by the time I'm done. | ||
| Pull that picture up again, the video of that shit. | ||
| That looks like one of the hardest things you could do in terms of something you could do in a gym. | ||
| If you're carrying that weight, like in that farmer's carrier, and you're going uphill, it's a self-propelled treadmill too, right? | ||
| I have one of those outside, one of those air runners. | ||
| I fucking love it. | ||
| Well, you can't break it is what's nice, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| When you have the self-propelled. | ||
| Well, it's just so hard to work on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But that thing's amazing. | ||
| And does it vary the pitch? | ||
| Can you raise it and lower it? | ||
| You can't vary the pitch. | ||
| You can just vary the resistance. | ||
| So I hit the brake when I'm doing a truck pull. | ||
| I drop the brake on it. | ||
| And so you literally... | ||
| You can vary the resistance of the treadmill itself? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a brake. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, it's on the left side. | ||
| Oh my god, that sounds amazing. | ||
| One thing about stabilizer muscles, though, I would think that they don't necessarily get the same work. | ||
| What if you did it with... | ||
| Do you remember those shoes that they got sued for? | ||
| Kim Kardashian was promoting them. | ||
| They're like real fat, smushy shoes. | ||
| And so they made you kind of stabilize while you were walking. | ||
| I would think that those actually would be good. | ||
| To wear on something like that, because it would be... | ||
| You know what a sand dune stepper is? | ||
| Yeah, they suck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In a good way. | ||
| In a good way, yeah. | ||
| I got one out here. | ||
| Yeah, they'll burn out the... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They work different parts of your leg. | ||
| Yeah, right, because you try stabilizing, right. | ||
| And I would imagine, like, having a sand dune stepper type shoe on while you're going on that thing would be the ultimate... | ||
| Well, you're right, and people do not think about that, and that's one thing that guys that just run on pavement, flat ground, when you say a stabilizer muscle, whatever you want to call it, the left and right part of your shins, the first time you take a guy out that hasn't hiked side hills, like 35-degree slopes with a 45-pound pack, Their calves are smoked and the left and right side of their shin bone is just toasted because they're not working those. | ||
| And that lateral stability, people don't understand. | ||
| I'm not a runner, so I don't like running, but I train with a pack on and I hike everywhere. | ||
| And so I do a lot of side hills just to get those muscles ready for that. | ||
| Because it's a different world, and it'll KO you. | ||
| I mean, you'll be down for a couple days because they're so sore and stiff if you never used them. | ||
| And that treadmill does not help with that. | ||
| But when I said like that, the sand stepper sucks, it's a good suck because it's a way indoors you can... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of the ways I try to explain to people's stabilizer muscles is upside-down kettlebell press. | ||
| I was like, take a kettlebell... | ||
| They can press fairly easily, like a 35-pound kettlebell. | ||
| Most guys can press that overhead. | ||
| Now take it and flip it upside down so that the handle is on the bottom and the kettlebell is above, so you've got to balance that sucker out. | ||
| And as you're lifting it, it's way more difficult to do. | ||
| And that's using your stabilizer muscles. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Another thing is those bamboo bars. | ||
| Have you ever used one of those? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We put all those in. | ||
| Well, some of that shit I copied from you, from my home gym. | ||
| That's another one. | ||
| You don't realize how much those kick the shit out of you until you get them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're pretty amazing. | ||
| It looks so easy, but when you put, when you got a bamboo bar, and I do it, I hang kettlebells with rubber bands. | ||
| So I have like heavy resistance bands that are hanging the kettlebells, so it's all bouncy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so as you're lifting that fucker, it's like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that, you know, really stabilizes everything, keeps everything tight. | ||
| It's funny how much you can torture yourself with very little. | ||
| I got that big rope. | ||
| And I just, my forearms, I got issues. | ||
| Well, I talked to you about a tendonitis or whatever. | ||
| So me doing the rope workout, it just, I wasn't doing it. | ||
| It was hurting my forearms. | ||
| And so I turned that into a rope drag. | ||
| I hooked one of my belts from Kofaru and hooked a harness to it, and I did that thing in half and wrapped it with gorilla tape, and I dragged it up and down my driveway. | ||
| Fuck me, that's horrible. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| But when I say bad, when you've kind of committed your life to backpack hunting, there's only so many ways that you can get ready. | ||
| You know, you just got to beat the shit out of yourself. | ||
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To get ready, yeah. | |
| To get ready. | ||
| So, like, people think I'm crazy. | ||
| We live at 10,000 feet. | ||
| My wife straps me off the highway, and then she goes home and cooks. | ||
| She goes with me a lot, too, but... | ||
| How far is the walk? | ||
| Anywhere from two to five miles, depending on where she drops me off. | ||
| And it's getting a couple thousand feet. | ||
| It's a climb. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| But the best way, if you're not feeling like working out, is have your wife leave you in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| Because you're fucking getting home, right? | ||
| Necessity. | ||
| Yeah, necessity. | ||
| And so when people don't... | ||
| I try to put myself in a position to where I have to do something, if that makes sense. | ||
| Because there's days you just don't... | ||
| I feel like doing shit, I mean, right? | ||
| So I just make my wife drop me off, and I'll tell her, you know, I always say, earn my day. | ||
| I'm like, I gotta earn my day, you know, and I keep tracking my steps on my watch, and so she'll drop my ass to the bottom of that fucker with 50 pounds, and she'll laugh leaving. | ||
| I always tell people one of the best ways to make sure you do something is have a list. | ||
| Just have a list of what you gotta do today. | ||
| Just make sure you're doing it. | ||
| Just write it down. | ||
| It seems so crazy, but if you don't have a list, if you don't have it written down, what you absolutely have to do, Man, you're going to slack off. | ||
| You're going to find reasons why you should do less. | ||
| Especially if you do like what I do. | ||
| When I lift, I train myself for the most part. | ||
| Sometimes I work with trainers. | ||
| I work with a kickboxing trainer now. | ||
| But most of my weightlifting sessions I do by myself. | ||
| So I have to write out what I need to do. | ||
| And if I don't do that I mean, then I feel like a pussy. | ||
| But if I have it written down, like, today you're running two miles in the hills. | ||
| Today you're doing this. | ||
| Today you're doing that. | ||
| If I don't do that, you're not going to get it done. | ||
| If you could just give yourself a manageable goal to start with, Just real simple. | ||
| Make sure, like, for every day this week you're gonna do 40 push-ups, you're gonna do 50 sit-ups. | ||
| Just give yourself some kind of manageable goal. | ||
| Get a chin-up bar. | ||
| Do, you know, 20 chin-ups every day. | ||
| Just do that. | ||
| That's a manageable thing. | ||
| Like, you can do that in 30 minutes. | ||
| You can have all that done and you're good. | ||
| But if you force yourself to do that every day, Man, you're going to feel real results. | ||
| Real results. | ||
| Like at the end of the week, you're going to go, fuck, I did it. | ||
| And then ramp it up some more. | ||
| Ramp it up some more. | ||
| But it's all about writing it down. | ||
| Yeah, I got a whiteboard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In fact, I wrote something on the whiteboard once and a bunch of people... | ||
| I think you and Jocko did a podcast because the one day I just wrote on there, just do something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think you guys must have done a podcast and talked about that. | ||
| Because I... You know, people... | ||
| I mean, I know not everybody has a free schedule, but even when I work construction, you can make time. | ||
| Most people can make time. | ||
| Now, I don't sleep that much, which isn't a good thing, but... | ||
| How many hours did you get at night? | ||
| I recently got up to six, which is pretty good for me. | ||
| I was at four for a long time. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah, but if you heard my day... | ||
| Is it because you want to sleep four? | ||
| I mean, were you getting up early, or is it just you have insomnia? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I just don't sleep. | ||
| I go to sleep well. | ||
| I just don't sleep for that long. | ||
| When you wake up, is waking up with something bothering you in your head, or are you just, fuck, I'm awake? | ||
| I'm just like, fuck, I'm awake, and I got a lot to do. | ||
| But it's gotten better to where I've been tracking it on the watch. | ||
| I think you got a G-Shock there. | ||
| That's what I used to wear. | ||
| This is one of those ones that tracks my steps and calories and everything. | ||
| Is that a Garmin? | ||
| Yeah, it's a Fenix 6 Solar, I think. | ||
| Does that work on solar power? | ||
| It helps it. | ||
| Yeah, it helps with battery life. | ||
| So I did not like the original because they died pretty quickly. | ||
| You know, most of the batteries. | ||
| This one lasts almost three or four weeks. | ||
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| And the way that I navigate off a UTM grid coordinate, I don't need to leave it on very long. | ||
| So it works. | ||
| I can use it for a long time. | ||
| So with navigation, how long will it last? | ||
| Man, if you left it on, I would think, man, three or four days maybe? | ||
| Really? | ||
| So in that three or four days, it's supplementing with solar? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's fucking amazing. | ||
| So the way that I navigate... | ||
| Which, actually, going back to the board, I can't agree with you more. | ||
| Like, I just write shit down. | ||
| And it may be three sets of 50 crunches, three sets of 50 push-ups. | ||
| Just make sure you do it. | ||
| Yeah, and then check them off the list, right? | ||
| And so, and those are the days when I say I don't want to do anything. | ||
| Those are the days when my ass is getting dropped off the bottom of the hill. | ||
| Because you fucking have to do something, then you're going to get home. | ||
| But with the way that I navigate, and I get people... | ||
| Crap about this all the time, right? | ||
| You got a watch and a Garmin inReach and a GPS. You got all kinds of shit to navigate and you don't know how to fucking use it. | ||
| That's like a big pet peeve of mine. | ||
| You got all this technology. | ||
| You hit the easy button on everything. | ||
| You never learned how to use it. | ||
| And so I'm like a real stickler on land nav, like learning how to navigate to a certain degree and not just using a GPS. And so what I do is I have an 8 or 10-digit UTM grid coordinate and a map. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| So the way the world was mapped, basically, and I'll try to explain as easy as I can. | ||
| From top to bottom, there's lines drawn around it, spaced. | ||
| And then there's horizontal lines drawn around it. | ||
| And each one of those is a square. | ||
| And as you break that down in squares, you end up with a thousand meter grid square. | ||
| This is like a very plain Jane way to explain it. | ||
| Inside of that grid square, when I turn this on, it tells me inside of that grid square how far I am from left to right and how far I am from bottom to top, so easting and northing. | ||
| And so inside that thousand meter grid square, my pinpoint location is a 10-digit grid coordinate within 3 meters of my location. | ||
| So anyway, once it gives me that, I can plot out and up to where I am inside that grid score on my map and gives me my exact location. | ||
| So what it means is if I'm all fucked up and have no idea where I'm on, I just turn on my watch and it tells me. | ||
| And then I plot it out on my map. | ||
| And then if I'm lost... | ||
| Okay, so it shows you on your watch and then you just look down at the map to save power. | ||
| But you actually know how to use a compass and navigate... | ||
| Actually use a map. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's a lot of skill. | ||
| On a map, you'll have all these different grid squares. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| For people just listening, he's drawing stuff right now on paper. | ||
| So if this is a thousand meters over and a thousand meters up, a thousand meter box. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So if I take a line and I'm 700 meters easting or to the right, so I go over 700 meters. | ||
| And then I'm 300 meters up. | ||
| I go up 300 meters where those intersect. | ||
| So then you know where you are. | ||
| Where I'm at. | ||
| And so what people don't understand, like if you talk about intersection and resection, if you're lost, so let's say, Jamie, you ever been in the woods very much? | ||
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| So you're out and you don't know where you're at. | ||
| But you know two known points. | ||
| So meaning you can see a mountain over here and here and you know what those are and you have a map. | ||
| From where you're at, you can shoot an azimuth to the top of this mountain. | ||
| What's an azimuth? | ||
| You take your compass and it's basically out of the 360 degrees. | ||
| It's the azimuth or the direction of that mountain from where you're at. | ||
| So you take that, and then you do a back azimuth, and you draw a line from the top of that mountain backwards. | ||
| So if it's over 180, you subtract. | ||
| If it's under 180, you add. | ||
| So you look at it and say, okay, that's northeast, and so then you look behind yourself, and you go that southwest? | ||
| Nope, nope. | ||
| So if I'm lost, but I don't know where I'm at. | ||
| But I know this mountain, and I know this one. | ||
| And I shoot this azimuth with my compass, and I know... | ||
| So right now... | ||
| This is 90 degrees, so that's about 45 degrees. | ||
| So that is under 180, so I add to it. | ||
| And so 180 plus 45 is what, 225. So now I go to, on my map, the top of this mountain, and I do an azimuth, and that azimuth is going to be 225. The top mountain is going to cross my exact location. | ||
| Are you writing this stuff on the map, or are you just looking at it? | ||
| I'll write it on a map, and I go to this map, and I do the exact same thing, and where those two lines crisp across is my exact location. | ||
| When you draw on your map, do you use a marker? | ||
| Do you use a highlighter? | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| I have an erasable pen I keep with me. | ||
| It's just a little like a Sharpie erasable pen, and I have a protractor. | ||
| Just because this is a course that takes weeks to actually learn how to do it. | ||
| Is this from the military, these skills? | ||
| I learned this originally when I was on that trail crew team, and then I learned more and more and more when I was in the military. | ||
| I went to some land nav schools, and what they do is they drop you off and they give you... | ||
| They give you two 10-digit or 8-digit grids. | ||
| One's where you're at and one's where you're going. | ||
| And then you have to plot from... | ||
| I'm going to lose you here in a minute and you're like, this is boring as fuck because it is. | ||
| But you're going to have to... | ||
| You have to convert it from basically... | ||
| There's different norths from where you're at. | ||
| There's a grid north and a magnetic north. | ||
| Before we get really fucking boring here... | ||
| Once you learn how to do that, you're never lost. | ||
| You can train associate. | ||
| And so I'm a real stickler on using all of those things. | ||
| So I've taught my wife how to do it. | ||
| It's not that difficult once you get going. | ||
| So this is something you learned when you were really young, when you were cutting trees? | ||
| Yeah, 14. So you learned it then, and then you learned more. | ||
| Have you been formally trained in this stuff? | ||
| Well, in the military I was formally trained, and I went to a class, but I was so young I can barely remember when I was working for the Forest Service. | ||
| And then now I teach courses for this because... | ||
| The ability to get where you're going is kind of lost now because you just turn on a GPS or you use Base Map or Onyx or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the reality is navigating if you're in a hurry. | ||
| So if you and I were in the woods and we needed to get to a basin before dark, you're going to have handrails and catching features. | ||
| If you can look at that map and see it in a three-dimensional way, and I can grab my compass and say, hey, if we head northeast, you know, the whole way half-ass, we're going to hit this creek, and that creek's going to intersect with a trail. | ||
| I don't have to use my compass anymore, really. | ||
| I'm going to shoot an azimuth, and I'm going to look at the farthest point I can see to where we need to go that I'm going to be able to see the whole way. | ||
| And that compass is going to go in my pocket. | ||
| We're going to haul ass. | ||
| Eventually, we're going to get hit a creek. | ||
| Generally, where that creek's at, let's say a trail crosses it, there's a handrail and a catching feature there. | ||
| Anyway, this is boring shit. | ||
| I can get there quick. | ||
| What's interesting is very few people know how to do this, and this is a critical skill if you do get lost, and a lot of fucking people get lost in the woods. | ||
| One of the things that you were talking about in your podcast once that I never really took into consideration was the fact that a lot of binocular holders' harnesses have magnets on them. | ||
| A lot of people love those. | ||
| I've got one of those, one of those marsupials. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| But those can fuck with your compass. | ||
| Yeah, you definitely have to hold it out. | ||
| He was giving me shit because we partnered up with him because he said, my sales went down from you dickheads. | ||
| And I was like, dude, it's got to be said, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's got to be said. | ||
| Otherwise, people are going to die. | ||
| Well, it's funny because I have a compass with me all the time. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Yeah, it's fucking weird, I know. | ||
| When I had a G-Shock, I had a compass beside it, a little Suunto. | ||
| The thing is, when I was hunting Al-Dad in Texas, I don't know where the fuck I'm at, right? | ||
| You know, it's Texas, right? | ||
| And we're on these huge... | ||
| It's North Texas, so it's like big plateaus and that... | ||
| Did you see that Palo Duro Canyon where we were at? | ||
| It's like the Grand Canyon. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| So, you know, where we are, you know, these guys have lived there their entire lives, and they're like, oh, it's northeast of where you're at. | ||
| I guarantee they know where they've farmed it their whole lives, where I'm like, fuck, the fucking sun's not up, the clouds are out, which way's northeast? | ||
| Well, oh, there's northeast, so I just have always, you know, always have a compass with me. | ||
| But... | ||
| Being lost when you're young and almost dying, that'll help you probably want to learn too. | ||
| Because when I was super young, we were in cotton and shit and snowing and rain in Oregon. | ||
| You got lost? | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I almost died twice. | ||
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Really? | |
| How old were you? | ||
| Got stuck out overnight. | ||
| Eleven the first time? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| You were by yourself? | ||
| Well, now, I don't want to make this sound way worse than it was. | ||
| I was a dipshit and I was with my dad. | ||
| He was probably drinking with his buddies. | ||
| And I went after a deer and got all fucked up. | ||
| I can't even imagine Oh, man. | ||
| My poor mom, right? | ||
| Dealing with the shit she had to deal with with me because I was backpacking when I was super young, right? | ||
| Like backpacking all over the place. | ||
| And I've always liked to do it. | ||
| So you can imagine, you know, nowadays, like if my daughter at 15 said, hey, I'm gonna go on a four day backpacking trip into the wilderness. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, fuck me. | ||
| Can I go? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Where with my mom had to deal with a lot of that as a kid. | ||
| I was always super adventurous. | ||
| I just think that that feeling of not knowing if you're going to survive and then surviving, I don't want my kids to have that, but goddamn, that's invaluable. | ||
| We talk about it all the time. | ||
| That's one of the reasons I have so much respect for a guy like Frank or Jake. | ||
| They have no fear of anything. | ||
| When you get to the point where there's no mountain, truly, no mountain too high, no valley too whatever. | ||
| The saying is, there's nothing that stops you. | ||
| You will get out. | ||
| And most people lack that. | ||
| Meaning, if you've backpacked in, whatever, six miles. | ||
| And as long as you can get the animal out, especially mule deer, you can pack it out. | ||
| And you see a mule deer two and a half, three more miles in, and you have no... | ||
| You're like, oh yeah, it's like going to 7-Eleven. | ||
| We're going, right? | ||
| There's not... | ||
| And this is normal for any backpack. | ||
| Cam would say the same thing. | ||
| There's nothing we can't get to. | ||
| There's nothing we worry about. | ||
| We have enough gear. | ||
| It's a cool feeling. | ||
| I mean, I don't think about it anymore, but it's definitely helped put some animals on the ground. | ||
| Well, it's also there's a mindset that the hardcore backpack hunter has that... | ||
| They look forward to those challenges and overcoming those challenges. | ||
| And then when those things happen, it's something that you have prepared for. | ||
| So it's actually almost like a positive experience. | ||
| And then you get out and you tell people, how far in were you? | ||
| Nine miles? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Pack it on one trip? | ||
| Oh, it was a big fucker. | ||
| We had to take it twice. | ||
| I mean, I know a lot of guys have ruined their body doing that, too, though. | ||
| I know quite a few guys that have... | ||
| Sustained injuries with a heavy pack. | ||
| I have crazy stories. | ||
| One of our buddies, it was he and I, and he killed an elk, and we were seven and a half miles in, and Anyway, you got it on the ground. | ||
| Well, he's a younger guy. | ||
| Anyway, we split it in half. | ||
| And it was downhill the whole way. | ||
| And I know I can pack you for infinite amount of time downhill. | ||
| So I'm like, ah, fuck it. | ||
| It's downhill. | ||
| I didn't want to come back. | ||
| So we're having our little hobnob meeting that next morning. | ||
| We're getting ready to go out. | ||
| And that night I ate everything I possibly could, like drank water all night. | ||
| I picked up the pack, and I'm like, I think we can make it. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| If we can't, we'll just leave some of it on the trail and come back up. | ||
| So we got 178 pounds legit. | ||
| We weighed it in a truck. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And he had 184. Oh, my God. | ||
| So on the way down, these aren't bullshit. | ||
| This fucking probably took 10 years off my life. | ||
| So we go on the way down, and I took his bow, and he took my walking sticks, and we're bushwhacking for the first two to the trail. | ||
| And Frank and I went and reenacted this because I'm like, dude, I gotta go see how bad this was because I was in fucking spirit world like half the time. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| And so Frank and I, we did it and we marked it out and it was actually plus or minus right in that seven mile range. | ||
| So we get to the trail. | ||
| I'm like, look, dude, I'm not leaving you behind. | ||
| I'm fucking leaving you behind. | ||
| I can't go this slow. | ||
| I'm like, I'll get to the truck. | ||
| I'll turn around and come back and grab you. | ||
| Because I was fucking hurting bad. | ||
| And I called my buddy. | ||
| You've probably seen him on there. | ||
| Actually, I can't say his name. | ||
| He's an SF dude. | ||
| I call him. | ||
| I'm like, dude, I need a pickup. | ||
| I need you to come help us out. | ||
| And he's a hardcore motherfucker. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I'll be up. | ||
| Let me talk to my wife. | ||
| I'll be up there. | ||
| So I pass him on the way out on the trail. | ||
| And I've got, I thought, like a half mile to go. | ||
| Because I could hear the highway. | ||
| And he's like, dude, you got like a mile and a half. | ||
| I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? | ||
| He's like, can you make it? | ||
| I'm like, oh, I'm fucking making it. | ||
| Like, it's mind games now. | ||
| Like, I'm not letting this beat me. | ||
| And I'm like, but you got to go in and get my buddy. | ||
| He's fucked up. | ||
| So I get to the trailhead. | ||
| I get the pack off. | ||
| I'm laying in my underwear under the truck. | ||
| And if I had an IV, I would have gave myself one. | ||
| There's hikers. | ||
| It was awkward, right? | ||
| There's hikers. | ||
| But I was like, fuck it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| So I'm just trying to get... | ||
| Under the truck was in the shade and the wind was blowing. | ||
| So I'm laying there literally just sprawled out four points of the compass trying to cool off because I was worried about getting heat stroke. | ||
| I get hydrated and thank God... | ||
| You know, my buddy went and helped my other buddy. | ||
| Anyway, he gets back and he's like, dude, he was fucked up. | ||
| And I'm like, how bad? | ||
| He was like when I got there. | ||
| Now, keep in mind, my buddy did not know he had help coming. | ||
| So he's on his hands and knees on the wrong side of the trail looking for water and the creek's on the other side of the trail and you can hear it. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And again, I'm not trying to blow this out of proportion. | ||
| It just happens, right? | ||
| You start talking about cognitive skills, dehydration, everything. | ||
| So my buddy's like, hey, dude, what's four plus four? | ||
| Like, he's checking him. | ||
| He's a medic. | ||
| He's an 18-dell. | ||
| He's a medic. | ||
| And he was fucked up. | ||
| He hadn't eaten anything. | ||
| He hadn't drank water. | ||
| His brain wasn't working right. | ||
| And so that's just one example of how fucked up you can get from, you know, you got to be careful. | ||
| Like, you can do damage to your body. | ||
| How long did that hike out take? | ||
| I did about a mile an hour coming out. | ||
| Wow, so seven-ish? | ||
| About. | ||
| Yeah, I was bad. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
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That's so long. | |
| Man, when I was with Pinch, he's the sniper guy. | ||
| He shot his goat at—he was one of those dudes who wanted to shoot it at 40 and in with a bow or 1,000 and out with a gun. | ||
| I can't remember the exact yardage, but it was over 1,000 yards. | ||
| So he shoots this thing across this glacier. | ||
| It took us six hours to go 1,100 or 1,400 yards straight line distance. | ||
| To a point where I'm like, we're going to fucking die getting down to this thing. | ||
| Like, at one point in time, I slid down. | ||
| Of course, I'm a dick. | ||
| My knees slam into my face. | ||
| And I'm like, we're all good. | ||
| Come on down. | ||
| I don't want to be the only one in pain, right? | ||
| Here comes everybody else sliding down. | ||
| And Pinch is like, are we going to get out of this? | ||
| I'm like, well, we don't have a fucking choice now. | ||
| We slid down it. | ||
| We got to get back up, right? | ||
| And so we didn't get back until 2 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| We were still four miles in. | ||
| So when people... | ||
| Like the idea of backpacking hunting? | ||
| That's what they're liking is the idea of it. | ||
| Can you glamorize the shit out of it? | ||
| It's fucking painful. | ||
| He's not a normal human. | ||
| You can't go by his standards, his ideas. | ||
| They say that sheep hunting is the hardest. | ||
| They say that Alaska sheep hunting in terms of just the difficulty of the terrain and the dangers of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| Yeah, I would say. | ||
| I've only been on a couple sheep hunts in Alaska, right? | ||
| Most of mine have been in lower 48 or the NWT, Northwest Territories. | ||
| The thing with Alaska that's easy is you're not getting that much altitude. | ||
| Distance is far. | ||
| But the weather is bad. | ||
| Like, generally, the weather's pretty bad. | ||
| And then the amount of pressure now—and again, I'm not an expert on Alaska— The pressure is much worse than it's ever been in Alaska. | ||
| In terms of the amount of hunters. | ||
| Hunters, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of hunters out there. | ||
| And then animals. | ||
| Grizzlies and shit. | ||
| Yeah, which is a fucking real... | ||
| You've seen us get charged on video. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When you were at the Gritty Bowman, that was terrifying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Tell that story. | ||
| I'm an adrenaline junkie. | ||
| I'll tell a true story. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I thought we were calling it moose, and I'm looking, and I'm like, I think there's a moose coming, and a grizzly pops out. | ||
| I'm like, hey, get your camera. | ||
| Let's call this thing in. | ||
| This is a true story, right? | ||
| Because we made it sound like it was, oh, here comes a grizzly. | ||
| So I thought it was going to get to that fucking stump and stop, right? | ||
| You called the grizzly in on purpose? | ||
| It was coming into a moose call, right? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm like, hey, grab the cameras. | ||
| Let's get this on video. | ||
| Because he was looking for our moose calls. | ||
| So this big bitch gets by that log, and she stands up. | ||
| She's looking around. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, cool. | ||
| You can hear my shutter on the video. | ||
| Fuck, it hit the ground and it was coming. | ||
| And I'm like, oh. | ||
| Well, and immediately, me, I've been charged enough to where I'm an adrenaline junkie. | ||
| Anyway, I'm desensitized. | ||
| And I'm like, well, he's going to eat fucking this other dude anyway. | ||
| So I'm like, you can see my camera's shifting right a little as I'm taking these photos. | ||
| I didn't have a weapon, I had a bow. | ||
| And so here pretty quick, I'm thinking, shoot this motherfucker. | ||
| It's like 15 yards from us. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And he fired off a round at its feet. | ||
| And I knew his gun jammed on the second round sometimes. | ||
| So I'm like, That fucking piece of shit, Brownie A-bolt, doesn't jam on this second one or whatever it was, right? | ||
| Not saying a Browning's bad. | ||
| Well, it stopped, do you remember? | ||
| And it came again. | ||
| I think it was like 12, 10 yards when it finally turned off and ran away. | ||
| 10 yards is nothing. | ||
| Well, I tell you, like... | ||
| That's almost like that wall. | ||
| Yeah, it was big, too. | ||
| It's a big one. | ||
| Was that in BC? Yeah, it was in BC. In reality, though, you talk to, like, bring up Lancaster, who I went with when I stayed in the NWT for that two-month time frame. | ||
| Those guys live up there. | ||
| I bet if you asked a Bart or a Clay Lancaster how many times they've been bluff-charged... | ||
| It's like triple digits. | ||
| Just hunting with those guys, the shit that they've done... | ||
| Triple digits? | ||
| Meaning a hundred times? | ||
| At a minimum. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So the shit those guys deal with, they've been doing it since birth, right? | ||
| And so I was telling Amy and Frank, I was like, okay, you guys know how much I've done and all the different things, you know, hunted and how many animals I've put on the ground. | ||
| It's a fraction. | ||
| Clay Lancaster's been on 320 sheep hunts. | ||
| 320. That's a lot. | ||
| That's not including caribou, moose. | ||
| He's been all over the world. | ||
| So the amount of experience those guys have and the stories, like when I get those guys on the podcast, it's hilarious because I just got to experience a two and a half month section of it. | ||
| We were literally, from a light bulb, from a paved road, hours from any electricity. | ||
| Like, it's a 12-hour drive to where the helicopter picks you up, and then you're flown in another two hours. | ||
| So when I got bit by that bite, it was funny, by that spider, it was funny at first. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| I got bit by a spider up there. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, Clay, my leg's fucked up. | ||
| I think I got bit by something. | ||
| He's like, ah, there's nothing poisonous up here. | ||
| Well, my leg's swelled up. | ||
| We're drawing circles around it. | ||
| Well, the first couple circles, right, wasn't that big of a deal. | ||
| So Clay cuts it open. | ||
| Listen to the podcast. | ||
| He's hilarious because he squeezed that thing and I acted like it didn't hurt. | ||
| I thought I was going to pass out from fucking shock. | ||
| Squeeze the pus out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know that it helped but it gave him pleasure. | ||
| What kind of spider was it? | ||
| Man, you gotta listen to the podcast to hear the whole story, but we ended up calling it the long cock black hobo spider, and there's a story beside that, but I think it was a hobo spider. | ||
| Those are dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think they're overly poisonous. | ||
| I think I was allergic to it, but the moral of the story, in six hours, my leg locked up straight, there was veins going up towards my heart, and I had cold sweats, heart rate was racing, and Clay's like, dude, we gotta get you out of here, you're gonna fucking die. | ||
| Like, we are a long, long, long ways from anywhere. | ||
| How far? | ||
| Four hour helicopter ride, but then you're dealing with some fucked up doctor in the northern part of fucking Whitehorse, you know, or whatever the fuck it was. | ||
| It wouldn't have been good. | ||
| So I called my buddy, who's a medic, and I was like, dude, what should we do? | ||
| And he's like, alright, piss on it, bleach, ibuprofen, fucking get some shit. | ||
| Yeah, because I guess, like, bleach cleans everything out. | ||
| Like, he's giving me, I can't remember all this stuff. | ||
| So Trump was right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What's wrong? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I was like, holy shit. | ||
| I was like, okay, so we're pouring pee on it. | ||
| We're crushing up ibuprofen. | ||
| Do you pour pee on it? | ||
| Do you let your buddy pee on it? | ||
| So here's the thing. | ||
| One of my buddies must have had a Big Johnson because he was ready to pee on it right there. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, pee in a fucking bottle. | ||
| I don't want to see your wiener while you're peeing on my leg. | ||
| You wouldn't want it right off the tap? | ||
| Somehow or another it's better if he pees in a bottle and then pours it on you? | ||
| It would have been awkward. | ||
| And think of the stories that would have been told after. | ||
| Yeah, but it would be funny stories. | ||
| Well, either way, we were pouring pee on my leg. | ||
| But it was a matter of survival. | ||
| Isn't that funny? | ||
| That you'd rather have a guy pee in a bottle and then pour that pee on you than pee on you. | ||
| I guess looking at it that way, yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm right there with you. | ||
| I understand your thought process. | ||
| I think I'd let the guy piss on me, though. | ||
| At the time, I was, like, not overly worried. | ||
| And then when my leg locked up... | ||
| So it was... | ||
| If you measured my leg, it gained two and a quarter in circumference, inches. | ||
| That's how much my leg swelled up. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| Yeah, it was... | ||
| I mean, I'm laughing about it now. | ||
| But what was funny is once it went back down, we just duct taped towels around my calf muscle to go on moose hunts because it was so fucking painful when the infection was going down because the willows were beating it up. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| I really want to see some of these 70-inch wide moose. | ||
| Let's just take... | ||
| So we tape towels around my calf. | ||
| So you never made it out of there? | ||
| No. | ||
| So you just dealt with it while you were in the woods? | ||
| Yeah, it went away in like 24 hours. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't that... | ||
| It wasn't... | ||
| But you didn't think it was going to. | ||
| You thought you were going to die. | ||
| Eh, I don't want to make it sound worse than it was. | ||
| It got a little nerve-wracking there towards the end. | ||
| My fucking heart started racing like... | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, that's not good. | ||
| When do you have an infection? | ||
| Infections are fucking dangerous, man. | ||
| Well, I had veins going up my leg. | ||
| Like you could see the veins, is that what you're saying? | ||
| That's what Clay was talking about. | ||
| Because of course you have veins going up your leg. | ||
| That's how you get blood. | ||
| Yeah, and it showed them a lot. | ||
| So they were blue or something? | ||
| It looked like an Etch-A-Sketch going up my leg. | ||
| Dark? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, dark. | ||
| So you were worried that the infection was making its way to your heart? | ||
| Well, from what limited knowledge I had was that is a pretty much sure thing you're going to fucking die. | ||
| Do you carry any antibiotics with you or anything when you go into a hunt like that? | ||
| I do when I go to Canada now because of their weird government. | ||
| I shouldn't even say this. | ||
| I have friends that will prescribe them to me to take with me. | ||
| Now, last in 18, I don't even remember my hands looked like Deadpool's face from that milkweed or some shit. | ||
| Shit that happens in the backcountry. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| So, I'm on that mule deer hunt. | ||
| And my hands are swelling up. | ||
| And I don't know why. | ||
| And they look like Deadpool's face. | ||
| And I'm like, what the hell is wrong with my hands? | ||
| I'm looking around like, what could be around me? | ||
| It's not poison ivy. | ||
| And my hands are swelling up like... | ||
| Remember that movie, Big Trouble in Little China? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Asian dude's hands swell up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it looked like that. | ||
| Well, as it turns out, it's hogweed or milkweed. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some fucking plant. | ||
| That does that. | ||
| And if you Google it and you pull it up, it's fucking nasty. | ||
| But if you want to Google hogweed, on certain humans, it has this crazy rash inflammation. | ||
| So my hands, it's affected by sunlight. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| So I'm at 13,000 feet and I'm on the spotter with my hands... | ||
| In the sun all day to a point like... | ||
| And at 13,000 feet, the sun is way stronger. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| You get really burnt up there. | ||
| Use a solar charger. | ||
| It charges up your shit twice as fast because you're that close to the sun. | ||
| Is that really what it's from or is it just a lack of... | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Look at that giant hogweed. | ||
| Look at the hands. | ||
| It wasn't good, let me tell you. | ||
| So my hands look like those ones in the middle. | ||
| Blow that picture up in the right-hand corner. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| The one that you see, the large picture. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| That's from Hogweed? | ||
| So go to the left. | ||
| The one in the middle there. | ||
| That's what my hands look like. | ||
| No, the one in the middle. | ||
| The left. | ||
| That one. | ||
| They look like that. | ||
| So Frank comes over and he's like, dude, what the hell is wrong with your hand? | ||
| I'm like, you know, that's a good question. | ||
| So we come out. | ||
| Dude, it was bad. | ||
| That's so nasty. | ||
| And I go to the doctor, right? | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| You know, I go to the emergency room, and I'm like, hey, I... What does that hogweed look like, just so I know? | ||
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Some people have gotten third-degree burns from it. | |
| Whoa. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Can we see an image? | ||
| Yeah, it's just like a little plant. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| That stuff? | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, and I was low-crawling through that shit to go to a mutant. | ||
| Giant hogweed and its toxic cousins. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy. | ||
| But those are the things you just don't think about, right? | ||
| So I went and they gave me, I don't know, all kinds of steroid cream and shit and it went away in a day or two and we piked back in. | ||
| It just looks like a flower. | ||
| I would have never imagined. | ||
| I wouldn't even. | ||
| So this is just, how did it get on both your hands? | ||
| Your hands just rubbed up against it? | ||
| Well, you figure there's big fields of it and I've got my bow hanging and I'm low crawling and just like it would any weed. | ||
| So to mitigate that, what do you do? | ||
| Do you wear gloves? | ||
| Is there something you can put on your hands? | ||
| I don't know, I just... | ||
| Look how fucking tall that shit is! | ||
| Yeah, I just kept my hands out of the weeds the next year. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Toxic giant hogweed plants show up in Duncan, Lake... | ||
| I don't know, you just made it too big. | ||
| Lake Cowichan Gazette? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where's that, Duncan? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look at the size of that, it's like fucking nine feet tall. | ||
| It wasn't that tall where I was at, it was three foot tall, right about even with your hands. | ||
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Oh, perfect. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, just that weed has like some sort of an oil or something like that? | ||
| That's what they said, the doctors... | ||
| Like a poison ivy type deal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's funny because when I went, they had no idea. | ||
| I'm like, hey, my buddy from Alaska messaged me and he said, dude, I think that's hogweed. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I had the same reaction you did. | ||
| What the fuck is hogweed? | ||
| Googled it, drove across the road, Kaiser's, whatever, emergency room, things like right across the road from Kafaru. | ||
| I drove over there and I'm like, hey, you know, I'm all screwed up. | ||
| And they're like, what is, you know, they don't know what it is. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, this is what I think it is. | ||
| They Googled it just like we did. | ||
| And they were like, oh, well. | ||
| That makes sense because they didn't know. | ||
| And then they gave me like this steroid cream to put on it and I don't know, went away in a couple days. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So between that and the bite, what was worse? | ||
| Oh, the bite. | ||
| The bite was that much worse. | ||
| I could have kept hunting with that. | ||
| I just not knowing what it was. | ||
| Well, we've been in there 12 days. | ||
| I'm like, ah, it's about time to come out anyway. | ||
| So we came out. | ||
| What was crazy, we came out. | ||
| A couple days, we go back in, and Frank's already got his deer. | ||
| We go back in, and Frank, I thought his appendix burst. | ||
| As it turns out, he just ate too much sushi, and it got clogged up in his stomach. | ||
| But Frank is harder than woodpecker lips. | ||
| We get on these two deer we're trying to get, and he's not getting out of the tent. | ||
| So Frank is not like that. | ||
| I hear him go, sir, I'm going to stay in a tent this morning. | ||
| And I'm like, dude... | ||
| Now, keep in mind, Frank got pulmonary edema, and that dumb shit hiked out with pulmonary edema. | ||
| He literally, his lungs filled up with liquid. | ||
| And that's an altitude sickness, right? | ||
| Altitude sickness, and that fucker hiked out nine miles with pulmonary edema. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| When he got back, he'd cough, and it was like emptying a water bottle. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| He's a tough individual. | ||
| So I'm like, dude, this guy. | ||
| I even texted Amy. | ||
| I'm like, hey, Frank's fucked up. | ||
| I might have to hit the beacon. | ||
| Like, I might have to get help. | ||
| So anyway, I go over. | ||
| I shoot this deer. | ||
| So it was just sushi? | ||
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I guess. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| So where did you guys eat sushi in Denver the day before? | ||
| So I think what had happened, we had starved ourselves for 12 days, right? | ||
| Dehydration. | ||
| In the woods. | ||
| In the woods. | ||
| We came out. | ||
| We all went out to dinner. | ||
| And I think he ate all that white rice. | ||
| And it just clung to his intestines like a woolly mammoth. | ||
| Because he ended up just having to take a big poop, right? | ||
| But right in the middle, where your appendix is, he's like, it hurts right here. | ||
| And I've had gallbladder issues. | ||
| I passed a kidney stone like six miles in. | ||
| So I was like... | ||
| His appendix has erupted. | ||
| He's going to die back here. | ||
| And so, let's show you how the, you know, the moxie that Frank has, he drug his ass out of that tent and filmed me shooting that mule deer. | ||
| And he hobbled his ass over there after I shot it. | ||
| And it's a fucking mile and a half from where he's glassing, you know, flagging me in. | ||
| And he just sat by the deer. | ||
| I cut it up, whatever, and I'm like, dude, I'll get most of it. | ||
| You good? | ||
| And he's like, yeah, I'm okay. | ||
| I'm okay. | ||
| And I'm like, I can tell you're not fucking okay. | ||
| Like, you're in pain. | ||
| And he made it out, and then he took a giant poop, and everything was okay. | ||
| But it... | ||
| I thought I was going to have to hit the beacon. | ||
| That's so bizarre that it was just from rice and poop. | ||
| Well, we're not doctors, but that's what I chalked it up to. | ||
| Yeah, maybe food poisoning. | ||
| You sure it wasn't food poisoning? | ||
| He wasn't puking. | ||
| That was the only thing. | ||
| But again, I'm not a doctor, but every time I've had it, I've puked. | ||
| So those are the worst experiences? | ||
| What about injuries? | ||
| Do you ever get really hurt out there? | ||
| I'm trying to think. | ||
| The kidney stone, that was a bad one. | ||
| You had to piss that out? | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| That was horrible. | ||
| How big was it? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I'll tell the quick version of it. | ||
| I think I was 10 days into a hunt and I shot a mule deer. | ||
| Were you dehydrated? | ||
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Fuck, yeah. | |
| I was dehydrated and I peed blood. | ||
| And of course, like an idiot. | ||
| And I'm like, ah, it's fine, whatever. | ||
| And hiked a mule deer out, turned around. | ||
| I met a buddy, dropped it off and then hiked back in. | ||
| And then like that night or the night after, I was, it was pretty high elevation. | ||
| But anyway, I went after this bull and something like knocked loose in my kid. | ||
| You know, I didn't know what it was. | ||
| Just all of a sudden I had this shooting pain. | ||
| And I looked at that dude on the green mile trying to pee, right? | ||
| And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Like, I literally, I'm like, I'm going to pass out from shock. | ||
| What the hell is wrong with me? | ||
| Did you think it was a kidney stone? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| It was so much pain in my back area that I knew it had something to do with my kidneys. | ||
| But every time I tried to pee, it literally would drop me to my knees. | ||
| And so I was like, okay, let's assess this. | ||
| And I'm trying to think through, should I take next to no gear and try and hike out, take enough gear to stay the night, but then have the burden of the weight and What's going to be the best option? | ||
| Because I didn't have any service and I didn't have anything back with me that I could get a hold of anyone. | ||
| And so I'm like, fuck it. | ||
| No guts, no glory. | ||
| I grabbed the basic essentials and hobbled my ass out. | ||
| And at one point, I did have a phone, but I didn't have service. | ||
| I texted my buddy Tony and said, hey, what is the nearest hospital to this trailhead? | ||
| And I lost service. | ||
| And so all he knew was I'm fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I get to the trailhead and I get in my Jeep and I had a giant Jeep and I'm doing like 90 down the road and I get pulled over. | ||
| Well, the cop was looking for me because my buddy had called and said, I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Well, the cop was kind of a dick, right? | ||
| I get out. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, man, he wanted to call an ambulance. | ||
| And I'm like, look, dude, I just hiked out six miles. | ||
| I'm not paying $3,500 for a fucking ambulance ride. | ||
| I just hiked six miles out. | ||
| I can make it to the hospital. | ||
| And so he was a little bit of a dick, but he followed me into the hospital and I passed it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Clank? | ||
| In the toilet. | ||
| Tink, tink, tink. | ||
| Did you say that? | ||
| No, but it would look like a chickpea. | ||
| Oh, like a chickpea? | ||
| Yeah, a little spiky little bastard. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Yeah, it was horrible looking. | ||
| How big was it? | ||
| Not very big. | ||
| Big enough for your dickhole. | ||
| Holy moly, man. | ||
| Going through that. | ||
| What was crazy is right after that, I was good to go. | ||
| I mean, once you passed it, I was fine. | ||
| I hiked back in the next day. | ||
| A lot of fighters get those from dehydration, from weight cuts. | ||
| I think Aldo, Jose Aldo, has gotten those before. | ||
| I think more than one fighter has gotten those. | ||
| I think what they told me, a buddy of mine is a doctor, when I was roided out, I was taking a lot of protein and different things, that there was a calcium buildup from that or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| Some people get them, apparently, from drinking too many green smoothies. | ||
| You should be careful. | ||
| I believe that... | ||
| Which one is Thor? | ||
| Chris Helmsworth? | ||
| His brother. | ||
| His brother had to quit being a vegan. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why. | ||
| Because he was passing these stones. | ||
| And he had to wind up getting surgery. | ||
| Australian actor Liam Hemsworth told Men's Health that he had to completely rethink his vegan diet after ongoing surgery for a kidney stone. | ||
| Some foods are high in substances called oxalates, which can increase the risk of kidney stones. | ||
| These include spinach, potatoes, nuts, and even chocolate. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard of it from kale, too. | ||
| I eat a lot of kale. | ||
| I re-thunk my raw kale smoothies. | ||
| I was drinking a lot of kale smoothies in the morning, and then I found out about the dangers of oxalates, and I was like, oh, I thought I was doing healthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, whatever mine came from, it was an eye-opener because that shit hurt. | ||
| But I've been pretty lucky. | ||
| You know, as far as injuries, nothing IT band syndrome issue. | ||
| Normal shit, right? | ||
| I mean, nothing too, too crazy. | ||
| No blown-out knees out there or anything? | ||
| Knees are great. | ||
| Shoulders are great. | ||
| That's what would scare the fuck out of me. | ||
| Blowing out a knee in the backcountry and you've got to figure out a way to get in. | ||
| Yeah, you know, knock on wood, you know. | ||
| I haven't had two... | ||
| I mean, I've... | ||
| Been in some hairy situation on cliffs where storms rolled in, blacked out, and just had to hunker down in like a cave, right, and just wait it out, but nothing horrible. | ||
| Your kidney stone was bad, but really like some of the things you'd think that would happen. | ||
| If I die back there, it's probably not going to be from a bear. | ||
| I'm probably going to fall off a cliff. | ||
| Like that's the one thing that I would guess would happen. | ||
| That's how Cam's buddy Roy died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On a sheep hunt. | ||
| Serious. | ||
| That one there is probably worse than any. | ||
| The chances of having a bear eat you is so slim, but lightning and cliffs are probably the worst ones. | ||
| Yeah, lightning is another fucking scary one, huh? | ||
| That's a normal experience out there, is lightning storms. | ||
| Yeah, and in that one area, the Sangre de Cristo's is a mountain range, and it's scientifically worse there because of the heat from the ground and the cold from above. | ||
| The lightning storm's there. | ||
| We go down there just to photograph. | ||
| What do you do if you're in a lightning storm? | ||
| Do you get near trees? | ||
| Because if you get near trees, what if the trees get hit? | ||
| I'm going to give you horrible advice. | ||
| I don't do shit. | ||
| I just get in my tent and do my thing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So when there's a lightning storm, you just lay in your tent and hope it doesn't hit you? | ||
| Well, I mean, the reality of it is, as they blow over, you may be causing—and I'm not an expert at this. | ||
| It's just I have the, if it's my time, it's my time. | ||
| So I just get in and I listen to an audiobook and try to pretend it's not there. | ||
| And that is probably horrible advice, but the reality is my buddy— What audio book would you listen to when you're almost dying from a lightning storm? | ||
| The Crow Killer, Jeremiah Johnson. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| You're getting serious. | ||
| Mountain Man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That one helps me go to sleep. | ||
| That dude's voice helps me go to sleep. | ||
| But my buddy, which I don't know if I can say his name because he's on an ODA team, him and his buddy, this fucking guy's get hit with lightning. | ||
| In the spot where we killed a bull, and he texts me, and he said something about this reminded me of, I think he got hit with an RPG or something. | ||
| And I'm like, well, dude, are you good? | ||
| Like, that's a hell of a build-up to a story with no finish, right? | ||
| He's got scars where the lightning came out of its, oh, no, that's where it entered, and then it blew the front of his, or his buddy's shoe out. | ||
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What? | |
| Fucking they hiked out. | ||
| Hit him in the back and blew his buddy's shoe off. | ||
| Because they hit them both at the same time. | ||
| And so I would guess they were probably more trained than I was. | ||
| And whatever they did didn't work. | ||
| So anymore, Frank and I just hunkered down and I listened to an audio book. | ||
| Remy Warren got hit with lightning in high school, if I remember correctly. | ||
| And I think he lost a sense of smell. | ||
| No shit? | ||
| Yeah, something wacky like that. | ||
| Remember that movie with, what was it, the big dude, the actor, where the guy gets hit lightning and he's like, six times! | ||
| And he's like, oh, you've been hit with lightning six times? | ||
| He's like, no, 66 times! | ||
| You remember that shit, John Candy? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The Great Outdoors? | ||
| Well, there's a guy that has been hit like a record number of times. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| There's one dude that for whatever reason, they don't understand it, but he's been hit by lightning multiple times. | ||
| It's not because he's looking for it. | ||
| He's particularly attractive to lightning for some strange reason. | ||
| I think I'm particularly attracted to black bears. | ||
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How many times? | |
| Seven times. | ||
| Good God. | ||
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Yeah, he's a ranger. | |
| Park ranger. | ||
| Yeah, come on, man. | ||
| So, Roy Cleveland Sullivan, he died in 1983. United States Park ranger in Shenandoah National Park in Virginia. | ||
| Between 1942 and 1977, Sullivan was hit by lightning on seven different occasions and survived all of them. | ||
| I would go home and talk to my wife and see if she put some voodoo on me. | ||
| That reminds me of that saying I have, if it was raining pussy, you'd get hit in the head with a dick. | ||
| That guy's bad luck. | ||
| That is horrible. | ||
| Seven times is crazy. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't worry about it, though, anymore. | ||
| What did you say, Jamie? | ||
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This one says another guy hit ten times. | |
| Tent. | ||
| Another guy's like, I'll show you, pussy. | ||
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Ten times. | |
| Put a fucking metal hat on. | ||
| I think, though, you get desensitized to different things, and lightning is definitely one where I just kind of hang out in the tent. | ||
| It cooks you from the inside out like being in a microwave, he says. | ||
| Man 61 survives being struck by lightning ten times. | ||
| Melvin Roberts made headlines in 2011 for being hit six times in one year. | ||
| Wife said he's been struck another four times. | ||
| South Carolina man suffered memory loss, headaches, speech problems, and has nerve damage in his hands and leg. | ||
| Like, I don't... | ||
| I'm so confused. | ||
| I don't understand why he keeps hitting him. | ||
| Let me see what that guy looks like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He looks like a guy's been hit by lightning ten times. | |
| Yeah, because usually it'll blow the end of your toes off. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, where it exits. | ||
| A single lightning strike is made up of several 100 million volts. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Yeah, we've been in lightning strikes where they hit trees close by. | ||
| It just blows them up into shrapnel. | ||
| It's pretty wild. | ||
| How does it not kill people? | ||
| Yeah, that's where it exited the toe. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Nerve damage in his leg and foot as a result of the lightning strikes. | ||
| That might change your idea. | ||
| It says Roy Sullivan is the current world record holder. | ||
| And then he was hit seven times, the guy that we were talking about. | ||
| He died in 1983 by his own hand. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to wonder, like, what's left after you've been hit seven times? | ||
| Like, your shit must be scrambled. | ||
| I don't know, man, but those are the things that'll probably get you, you know, like talking about, yeah, bears is like the last thing I worry about. | ||
| Lightning, it's a real problem. | ||
| Is there a way to get it to hit something else? | ||
| Like if you're in your tent, would it hit the tent and not you, or would it just go right through the tent? | ||
| I think it'd go through the tent. | ||
| I saw it hit an old-growth tree once and blow a 180-foot tall tree into pieces, and I'm like, oh, that did not look appealing, you know, as a kid. | ||
| You watched it happen? | ||
| Yeah, and that's not uncommon either. | ||
| If you have service, you can see where it's going, right? | ||
| Like the one that passed two years ago, I knew Frank was fucked because it was going by me literally 400 yards, and I'm watching cloud to ground, and I'm texting Frank. | ||
| I'm like, dude, buckle your shit up. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| And it went right in front of me and over Frank. | ||
| Frank's so funny. | ||
| He literally called me. | ||
| He's like, I'm okay, sir. | ||
| And I'm like, how'd it go? | ||
| He's like, that was not cool. | ||
| And he had video of it striking all around him. | ||
| But the thing, like he said, is where's he going to go? | ||
| Because he's just running into a storm, right? | ||
| You're not going to outrun it. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| What are you supposed to do? | ||
| Are you supposed to go in your trees? | ||
| You're supposed to get into depression and hunker down is what you're supposed to do. | ||
| Into a depression, like some sort of a valley? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What's it say, Jim? | ||
| I was reading through Roy Sullivan's Wikipedia. | ||
| It says he got struck two other times, once when he was a kid, but it didn't hurt him, so he didn't claim it. | ||
| And then another time, his wife got struck while he was helping her with the clothes, but he didn't get hurt that time either, so I guess he didn't claim that time. | ||
| Is he a fucking alien? | ||
| Why would one guy get hit so many times? | ||
| I'm trying to read why it says, but there's no reasoning why or anything. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Like, what about a person's biological makeup would be so different that lightning would be attracted to them? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's got some serious static electricity. | ||
| The thing is, like, with, you know, the more you're out there, epic shit happens. | ||
| Well, I guess you might not consider it epic, but, I mean, the more... | ||
| He's a park ranger. | ||
| Right, that's what I mean. | ||
| Like, you're out there, and then, you know, you think about how much time I'm out there. | ||
| Crazy shit's gonna happen if you're in the woods a lot. | ||
| I mean, there's no... | ||
| Well, the Wolverine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a one in a billion chance for that to happen. | ||
| I mean, that's literally, but the more you're out there, shit's going to happen. | ||
| Well, Jordan's story about the Wolverine stealing his moose fat was hilarious. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He had to one-up me. | ||
| I was giving him shit about that, right? | ||
| Like, one of the only guys in history to shoot one with a recurve, and he basically killed one with a hatchet. | ||
| I'm like, you son of a bitch. | ||
| He said he couldn't eat it, though. | ||
| He said it was disgusting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| I had a lot of people... | ||
| Well, you asked me, too. | ||
| I had a lot of people ask me, and I was like, yeah, I'm not eating that fucker. | ||
| It's nasty. | ||
| But, you know, talking with coyotes and stuff, I think Rinella ate a coyote. | ||
| Yes, him and Remy Warren, they cooked a coyote, ate it, and it didn't seem that bad. | ||
| It seemed edible. | ||
| It's not for me. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| If you were starving. | ||
| If you were starving. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I've eaten marmot on purpose. | ||
| Marmot tastes good. | ||
| You don't want to eat the old ones. | ||
| They're not so good. | ||
| A marmot's like a rodent, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Those taste pretty good. | ||
| We call it Rocky Mountain Fish and Chips. | ||
| We catch cutthroat and brook trout and eat marmot. | ||
| They're really that good? | ||
| No, they're not that good. | ||
| I've had beaver. | ||
| Ranella cooked up beaver. | ||
| Beaver tail is pretty good. | ||
| It wasn't the tail. | ||
| It was the hindquarters. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| Yeah, he cooked it. | ||
| It was like a beef stew. | ||
| He braised it and then slow cooked it in a crock pot. | ||
| It was actually very good. | ||
| We were stunned. | ||
| It was quite delicious. | ||
| Yeah, I've had beaver, but to tail more than anything. | ||
| Tail's weird, right? | ||
| It's fat. | ||
| I was going to say it's very fatty is what it is. | ||
| Yeah, it's like a fat sandwich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I get the idea of, you know, they eat what you kill or whatever, but I also get the idea that wolverines eat the shit out of, they'll clear a basin of mountain goats and sheep out in a minute. | ||
| Did you hear the whole story of that? | ||
| Fucker bit the arrow in half on the third arrow and charged me after biting it in half. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty crazy. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| It's a wild little animal, man. | ||
| I mean, they're in the badger family, and that, you know, Honey Badger Don't Give a Fuck is pretty famous. | ||
| Oh, you know how many memes I got at Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit? | ||
| Oh, fuck, it was crazy. | ||
| It's a wild little animal, too, just the way it looks. | ||
| It doesn't even look like a real thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it was crazy because they were fighting when we saw them, and so we stalked down in on them. | ||
| I was like, you know, I figured we were 30 yards away and all of a sudden we were... | ||
| And I was like, Jesus Christ, they were like 14 yards away. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen them chase off wolves from kills. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I've seen them in video at least. | ||
| It's a wild little animal. | ||
| It's just so funny how something so small can be so ferocious. | ||
| Look at that fucker. | ||
| Look at that face. | ||
| Yeah, I saw it like at six yards on my third arrow. | ||
| That's a honey badger. | ||
| Wolverine's real similar. | ||
| Just any kind of badger. | ||
| It's such a strange animal. | ||
| They are. | ||
| And I guess there's a lot of them up in that mountain range. | ||
| Because I know they encourage you to shoot them because they're hard on the ungulates. | ||
| Do they encourage you to? | ||
| They encourage you to take them out because they killed them. | ||
| Look at that one with his mouth open in the middle. | ||
| Low down. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Fucking A, man. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Their faces. | ||
| Look at his fucking face. | ||
| That doesn't even look like a real face. | ||
| Dude, I should send you mine. | ||
| You can put it in here. | ||
| And like, every time you look at it, scare the shit out of you. | ||
| I kept the whole hide. | ||
| I just, you know, when we were in there, it was like... | ||
| Sad to me. | ||
| I'll put it right there next to that chimp, that fake, this thing. | ||
| This is Shane Against the Machine on Instagram made me this. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| That's badass. | ||
| It's a chimp skull that he made out of Zildjian thimbles. | ||
| It looks like it says Zildjian on the back. | ||
| It reminds me of that movie Congo. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Bad gorilla. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know why they... | ||
| You know what's interesting about that? | ||
| That's a Michael Crichton book, right, isn't it? | ||
| Michael Crichton? | ||
| Crichton, yeah. | ||
| What's interesting about that is I thought he was just making that up, but there is a giant chimp in the Congo. | ||
| There's a giant... | ||
| They call it the Bondo Ape. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| It's like six feet tall. | ||
| They've caught him on camera traps. | ||
| There's a, I think he's from Sweden or Switzerland, I forget, a wildlife photographer named Carl Amon, and he was obsessed with these things. | ||
| He saw one once, I believe, and then he set up all these camera traps. | ||
| He spent years in there trying to document this thing. | ||
| Because there's an enormous chimpanzee, like a subspecies of chimpanzee that lives in the Congo in this place called Bili. | ||
| And you got photos of it? | ||
| Yeah, they have photos, they have camera traps. | ||
| These two guys who lived there shot one near an airfield landing strip. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| It's like a six foot tall chimp. | ||
| It would be equivalent to seeing Bigfoot, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I ever saw it, I'd certainly want to go find it more. | ||
| I don't necessarily think Bigfoot exists, but if I saw one, I'd certainly want to go find it. | ||
| This one's really trippy because it sleeps on the ground like a gorilla. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah, they nest on the ground. | ||
| And they caught one eating a leopard. | ||
| They don't know if it killed the leopard or if it was just eating a leopard that was already dead. | ||
| But you've got to imagine how strong a chimp is. | ||
| Now imagine how strong a 200, I mean, not 200, 6 foot tall, probably more than 200, probably 300 or 400 pound chimp. | ||
| With the densest muscle mass known to man. | ||
| That stayed the fuck out of the jungle. | ||
| The crazy thing is they have camera trap photos of one walking upright. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| See if you can find the guys, Carl with a K, Amon. | ||
| He's this wildlife photographer that got obsessed with this animal. | ||
| Because they were, you know, a lot of people were claiming bullshit for the longest time on this. | ||
| There's photos of one that someone had shot from the 1920s, and they were trying to figure out if it was a hybrid, if it was a gorilla-chimp hybrid, if that's possible. | ||
| See, that's the one that's the camera trap on the far left. | ||
| So you see it walking. | ||
| That fucker was walking on his hind legs. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| And now go back to where you were. | ||
| See that one right beside it on the left? | ||
| That's the dead one. | ||
| Up, up top. | ||
| Up top. | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| That's the one that they shot at a landing strip. | ||
| They shot near an airport. | ||
| Look at the size of his hog. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| Look at the size of that fucker. | ||
| You don't know how big the men are behind it, but even if they're 5'7", that's a six foot enormous chimpanzee. | ||
| And then the one in the middle, the black and white one, Jamie... | ||
| Yeah, that one. | ||
| That is the original photo from really, really early on. | ||
| I think that was the early 1900s. | ||
| People were trying to figure out what the fuck that was. | ||
| It was like, it's really big for a chimp, because these guys are trying to hold it up, and its legs are still dragging on the ground, so if it was standing up on its hind legs, it'd probably be as tall as them. | ||
| Good lord. | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| So it is an actual chimp. | ||
| There's another one, too. | ||
| That one right next to it, Jamie. | ||
| Right above where your cursor is. | ||
| Down and to the right. | ||
| That one. | ||
| I mean, this is a fucking enormous animal, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's like the Bigfoot of the jungle. | ||
| I mean, imagine a 400-pound chimp. | ||
| Six-foot-tall, 400-pound chimp. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| So this guy, Carl Amman, A-M-M-A-N-N, has been photographing these things for years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Set up these camera traps. | ||
| They have two different types of chimps. | ||
| They call them tree beaters and lion killers. | ||
| The tree beaters are the ones... | ||
| Look at that one in the middle that's standing up. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| God damn, that's crazy. | ||
| If you could watch what a normal chimp does physically, that's... | ||
| Probably going to be pretty impressive what that thing can do. | ||
| Yeah, I mean they throw themselves through the air with their arms. | ||
| Literally just throw themselves and catch a tree. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| They hang from it. | ||
| So that's why that Congo movie was so weird. | ||
| Like it's kind of sort of loosely based on an actual real chimp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they get real gray looking too, which is also true, just like his book. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say in the movie they had the gray. | ||
| Yeah, they get real gray when they get big, sort of like gorillas. | ||
| They also have a crest on their head like gorillas. | ||
| See this chimp, this fake chimp skull that he made? | ||
| This is a normal chimp skull. | ||
| But the ones that they found, that's why they got so confused. | ||
| These Bondo apes, they actually have a crest. | ||
| Like they have this big thick partition at the top of their head and the skull. | ||
| That usually, like with bears, that's an H, right? | ||
| When they get that butt crack in their forehead, it's basically coming down. | ||
| That big, thick muscles that they can crush moose bones with. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| It is pretty wild watching what some of the... | ||
| Like I got hit by a black bear once running, just clipped me. | ||
| He was running scared, but... | ||
| He hit me and I was like, oh, that was definitely a reality check of where I'm at. | ||
| You were running? | ||
| Like jogging? | ||
| Oh, fuck no. | ||
| I was on the trail and he ran by me and clipped me. | ||
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| And it wasn't like this crazy... | ||
| He just ran you over accidentally? | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| He hit me and that was a reality check of where I stand at in the food chain. | ||
| I thought I got hit by a fucking 600-pound linebacker. | ||
| I mean, it blew me back. | ||
| And he clipped me on the side. | ||
| But it happened so fast, right? | ||
| And literally it took me a second to like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| When he hit me, he was running scared, right? | ||
| It was just a happenstance thing. | ||
| But South got attacked by one when he was young. | ||
| South Cox? | ||
| Yeah, when he was young. | ||
| But it really shows you, like, well, I have a Matrix target. | ||
| You like those. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| That fucking bear at my house pushed the center octagon out. | ||
| He doesn't have opposable thumbs. | ||
| He didn't release the ratchet straps. | ||
| And he managed to push the middle portion out. | ||
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| Probably had peanut butter on my hand and I was pulling arrows. | ||
| Oh, and you smelled it. | ||
| Yeah, and he was able to push that center octagon out. | ||
| And that was a 180-pound little black bear. | ||
| So imagine what a 500-pound black bear could be. | ||
| Well, when you see them run up trees, just use their claws and just run up the tree. | ||
| And full clip, like you would run on the ground, but faster. | ||
| And they go up a tree that way. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We're so weak. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty crazy. | ||
| That one I got, that one that charged me two years ago? | ||
| Jesus, man, that thing was like, I hit it two times coming at me here and here, and I was shitting my knickers, right? | ||
| I mean, the first time I hit it, I was like, oh, like running backwards. | ||
| I was pooping my pants, right? | ||
| And then it took off and it started stomping the ground, so I huffed at it again. | ||
| Came in again, and I was not ready the second go around either. | ||
| And I hit it here, and then it ran off broadside. | ||
| And anyway, I ended up killing it. | ||
| But it was hilarious because my buddy was like, hey, did you get a shot? | ||
| Because he couldn't see in the timber. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, I'm out of arrows. | ||
| And he's like, what happened? | ||
| And I don't think he believed me. | ||
| We got up there. | ||
| I'm like, dude, it's a big bear. | ||
| And I said, did you hear it? | ||
| And he said, I could hear it stomping. | ||
| And I was like, did you hear it fucking try to eat me? | ||
| And he was like, did it really? | ||
| I'm like, no, it didn't try to eat me. | ||
| I was like, but Jesus. | ||
| And he looked and I was reenacting, telling him what happened. | ||
| It was a trip, man, but I was wearing black. | ||
| So it might have thought that you were a bear? | ||
| So when that snow melts, the king of the apes, the biggest bears guard the luscious grass. | ||
| And so when I stalked in, I actually pulled my camel off and I put on black fleece because it was in a field. | ||
| And I was on my hands and knees and he'd feed and I'd get closer and he'd feed. | ||
| And I got to 35 yards and he wheeled out right when I shot. | ||
| And he went into the timber and And I was like, ah, damn it. | ||
| And then I could hear him in there popping his teeth. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, he wants some. | ||
| So I loaded an arrow and just dove into the timber and I started huffing at him. | ||
| And that's a dominance thing. | ||
| You did that to get him riled up? | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time, right? | ||
| Looking back... | ||
| You just caught up in the moment? | ||
| Well, to be honest with you, I've never had one that come at me that fast. | ||
| Usually they'll just stand up there and they'll stomp the ground. | ||
| Oh, so you thought you were going to bluff him and then he would be there for a shot. | ||
| Yeah, and it didn't quite turn out like I had planned it. | ||
| And he came straight at me. | ||
| And so I started like, oh, that's a fucking bad idea. | ||
| And I started running backwards and I shot, but it was... | ||
| I don't know, from here to the TV, and I hit it. | ||
| Well, I thought, okay, that should slow him down. | ||
| Well, fuck it, just pissed him off. | ||
| So he ran out there at 20 yards and started stomping the ground. | ||
| At this point in time, I was a bit caught in the moment, and I'm not trying to make this sound any more than me being a dumb fuck. | ||
| So I started huffing at it again, and he came straight at me one more time, and I hit him on the other side. | ||
| Well, what was funny is Gary was like, hey, did you get a shot? | ||
| And I was like, yeah, dude, you would not believe this. | ||
| And you could tell he was like, yeah, whatever, we get in there, and this thing's got... | ||
| One arrow sticking out of here, one here, and one through the lungs. | ||
| It was fucking crazy. | ||
| Seven foot four. | ||
| It's a weird animal to eat, too. | ||
| You know, the rivets taught me how delicious they can be. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| John and Jen Rivet really know how to cook them, especially on a Traeger. | ||
| They'll slow cook a ham. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| I get a kick out of the hate mail I get about predators, right? | ||
| Because we eat them. | ||
| Like mountain lions, unbelievable. | ||
| It's not as good as axis steer, but it's pretty damn good. | ||
| And it's weird that you get less hate mail from a deer than you do something that can eat you. | ||
| I know, because it seems like if you're killing an animal like a mountain lion, you're doing it because you want to be a badass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| But if you kill an animal like a deer, that's normal. | ||
| People are accustomed to people killing deer for food. | ||
| Well, I had people like, oh, those are endangered. | ||
| Can I kill a giant mountain lion? | ||
| And I've killed a bunch of bears. | ||
| They're endangered. | ||
| And it's like, no, there's actually kind of a problem, right? | ||
| In California, they're not endangered at all. | ||
| You hear that talk all the time. | ||
| At Tahone Ranch, they have one particular camera trap where they caught 16 different mountain lions on a pond. | ||
| Yeah, they're a problem. | ||
| And they'll eat two and a half deer a week pretty easily. | ||
| And so a mountain lion. | ||
| But you think, like people think you can't eat. | ||
| And there's some predators you probably shouldn't eat. | ||
| But again, in the big picture, which I do not understand how people think, They eat everything else. | ||
| And so to be truly not the hashtag conservation, but if you're worried about other animals, you have to keep everything in relative check. | ||
| Yeah, there's a weird thing that people have, though, when it comes to predators. | ||
| Like there was a woman who ran an alpaca farm in Malibu. | ||
| She had this one particular mountain lion that had found her farm irresistible and Slaughtered a bunch of them and killed a couple of goats too and she got a depredation permit to kill this thing and the amount of death threats that she got when they found out that she was gonna kill this mountain lion or was told that she got a permit where she could hire someone to take this mountain lion out and And so she eventually wound up not doing it just out of fear. | ||
| She was just scared. | ||
| But meanwhile, they don't have any problem with this thing really thrill killing. | ||
| It was just thrill killing. | ||
| It can't help itself. | ||
| Once it found out that it could get into that pen where the alpacas were, it just was slaughtering them. | ||
| Yeah, well, not just us here. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| So put things into perspective. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| If you shoot an animal and you don't pack it all out, you get a ticket for wanton waste, right? | ||
| What do they do about rib meat? | ||
| Do they call them on rib meat as well? | ||
| Every state's different. | ||
| So in Colorado, you have to take four quarters and neck meat. | ||
| Some places you don't have to take rib meat. | ||
| Some places you do. | ||
| You think about it, how much food do you think was wasted in California yesterday? | ||
| Beef, how much was thrown away? | ||
| The people didn't finish their meals, their steak was cooked medium-rare. | ||
| That animal was alive once, and they throw it away. | ||
| It's weird how people look at that. | ||
| That is weird, but it's like the thing of you going out and doing it yourself. | ||
| And what I think they're really worried about is someone shooting a deer and just taking the antlers, which is... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I get that portion of it. | ||
| I don't get the other portion. | ||
| Like, I get, like, well, I got three, dude, I eat 500 pounds of meat a year, right? | ||
| It's a big deal for me. | ||
| What's crazy to me is that some dude that just let his kid throw his entire steak away because it didn't taste good is going to give me crap for shooting a deer that I'm going to eat the whole thing. | ||
| Well, that's human, though. | ||
| Humans are real complicated animals. | ||
| We're real bizarre in what we can justify and not justify. | ||
| It's one of the things you're seeing. | ||
| If someone's walking around without a mask on the street, people will yell at them and tell them, you're putting me in danger. | ||
| But you will see a massive protest, and it gets nothing but positive responses from the news and the media. | ||
| Like, this is amazing. | ||
| People are unifying. | ||
| It is amazing, but it's also amazing that two weeks later, there's a giant spike in COVID, and no one wants to... | ||
| Something I've read, though, that there is a big spike in COVID, but there's not a corresponding death spike. | ||
| Yeah, I read the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's true. | ||
| Read that, because they said that COVID is spiking, but deaths aren't. | ||
| Which is really interesting because that must mean that they're better at treating it or maybe people have a better understanding of how to survive it or maybe the people that are getting it are younger because a lot of them are getting it specifically from the protests, which they're kind of denying. | ||
| It seems hilarious, though. | ||
| Which is weird. | ||
| Yeah, the whole thing, I'm trying not to read it because I just get depressed. | ||
| People on top of each other. | ||
| I'm 100% in support of the protests. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But people on top of each other, you tell them if they're sick, they're not going to give it to each other? | ||
| That seems highly unlikely. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of... | ||
| Not a doctor, but... | ||
| There's just a lot of contradicting views of that. | ||
| Like, you can't protest certain things, but you can protest other things, and then... | ||
| When COVID first kicked off, six feet, wear a mask, whatever. | ||
| And then I see these things where, you know, there's this six-foot thing, but we don't mind if you protest. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Everything was strange to me. | ||
| Well, there was a big gay pride protest or celebration this weekend in Chicago. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Everybody on top of everybody. | ||
| And everybody's like, this is wonderful. | ||
| Unity. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, you know, in two weeks, when the restaurants and the bars shut down again, we're going to question our decisions. | ||
| Yeah, you ever watch like Zombieland? | ||
| That movie's funny. | ||
| Fatties are first to go. | ||
| I bring that up all the time. | ||
| You think about how bad would it be to rewind 80 years? | ||
| Like what would happen? | ||
| Like how soft we are as a culture now? | ||
| It's pretty amazing. | ||
| And then like, you know, you think about some of the different plagues. | ||
| You know, I read and listen. | ||
| Well, I don't read shit. | ||
| I listen to a lot of audio books. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I like to say I read, though. | ||
| It sounds better. | ||
| It does for me, too. | ||
| But the reality is I don't read shit. | ||
| I look at pictures. | ||
| I read magazines. | ||
| I read articles online. | ||
| I read articles. | ||
| I'll read some articles, especially on my phone. | ||
| I'll pull them up. | ||
| Yeah, but I rarely read books. | ||
| I fall asleep when I read them, which I probably should read more. | ||
| But when I look at all of the different... | ||
| Everything that's going on nowadays, like if there was any major, actual, real major crisis, like how fucked we would be as a society is pretty amazing. | ||
| Well, it's like we were talking about our dietary choices, the fact that 70% of Americans are overweight. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| This is such a weird time in terms of how easy life is without, you know, pre-COVID. And that people had gotten accustomed to this soft way of living. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when someone does something like what you do, what you prefer to do, that's what makes it so extraordinary. | ||
| Someone uses that ridiculous farmer's walk, farmer's carry machine, and here it is. | ||
| As U.S. coronavirus cases spike, country will be seeing more deaths, Dr. Fauci says. | ||
| They will be going up is what it says. | ||
| I understand that Dr. Fauci is a medical expert and a good man, but I am annoyed at him. | ||
| For what he said about the masks, because he literally said that we told people not to wear masks so that they wouldn't buy them so that healthcare experts can get them. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You can't do that because then we know you're lying at one point in time. | ||
| You can't lie. | ||
| You can say, please don't buy masks because healthcare workers need them. | ||
| Instead, get a bandana. | ||
| Instead, take an old t-shirt, convert it into a bandana. | ||
| Please say that. | ||
| Please, in the future, don't lie to us because when you lie, then we think you're lying no matter what you say. | ||
| You lose credibility. | ||
| Exactly, especially when it's about something like that. | ||
| Like, I understand they probably compelled him to do that, but man, that confuses the fuck out of everybody because there's this video... | ||
| That, you know, him talking about, you don't have to wear a mask. | ||
| And it's like, then a couple weeks later, they're like, actually, you have to. | ||
| It's mandatory. | ||
| Yeah, the whole COVID thing is a different... | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Well, and you sent me a text or something. | ||
| I thought, man, this is blown out of proportion. | ||
| And I think you said definitely for people like with me. | ||
| And one of the... | ||
| If everybody was like you, it would be a bad cold. | ||
| I hope you don't get it, but if you do, take a lot of vitamin C, drink a lot of liquids, get a lot of rest. | ||
| But the problem is obese people, diabetics, older folks. | ||
| I don't want to beat a dead horse to death, but I really, really would like, not to sound too... | ||
| What's the word? | ||
| Liberal tree hugger-ish. | ||
| Like, I really wish bottled water as we're drinking it. | ||
| I'd like to see more options for filling up an algae. | ||
| I would like to see more options for people for health. | ||
| Like, God forbid we spend all this money on stuff. | ||
| Like, it wouldn't be horrible for the government to spend money and get some free dieticians out. | ||
| I mean, I don't have a plan for this. | ||
| But knowing as a converted fat kid, like, fuck, I wish I had some help when I was younger. | ||
| Do you remember when Trump had that lady that was telling everybody not to touch their face and then she licked her finger and then turned the page? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But that's when, you know, when we're talking about health experts and things along those lines, that's the kind of shit that you see sometimes. | ||
| And it just makes you go, God, people are so weird. | ||
| Just human beings. | ||
| We're so weird. | ||
| What we concentrate on and what's important to us. | ||
| So strange. | ||
| You're from New York originally? | ||
| I was born in New Jersey, but from 13 on I grew up in Boston. | ||
| Not to reverse the roles here, but what made you get into hunting? | ||
| Well, I had seen a bunch of those PETA videos and I was like, I'm going to do one of two things. | ||
| Either I'm going to become a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter. | ||
| And then Rinella took me hunting on a show and I dropped a mule deer. | ||
| The moment the deer dropped, I was like, okay, I'm doing this from now on. | ||
| And then the moment we ate it by campfire, I'm like, this is the best meal I probably ever have in my life. | ||
| And it just made me realize, like, we cooked it. | ||
| We left some of it in it. | ||
| We hung it up in a tree because it was pretty late when we shot it. | ||
| We took the organs. | ||
| And then we fried up some liver and onions. | ||
| And we fried up some heart by the campfire. | ||
| And I remember thinking while I was eating that, like, this is the most satisfying meal I've ever had in my life. | ||
| This is how I'm going to live from now on. | ||
| So take that and multiply it by 100. That's how I feel with a recurve. | ||
| I don't know how else to explain it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's just, I mean, something about watching that arrow fly through the air after all that hard work. | ||
| Now, you may want to snap that fucker in half several times on the way to finally hitting an animal, but being a guy, I'm driven, I'm goal-oriented, you know, I really like the challenge, I like to practice, I like all that. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I totally get it. | ||
| I would imagine that the connection is so much more intense. | ||
| Than even with a compound bow because you're dealing with all the cams and the engineering and all that jazz. | ||
| The noise, right? | ||
| Getting closer, like the different things you have to do. | ||
| It is hard for me to explain to... | ||
| I have a little bit different perspective because I've come from the compound side. | ||
| I shot my caribou at 127 yards. | ||
| I've gotten bashed for that, right? | ||
| And I'm like, hey... | ||
| That's a crazy shot. | ||
| But if you're trying to shoot a caribou, a lot of times you can't get very close. | ||
| Yeah, we couldn't get close. | ||
| But I... Without me getting bashed too much about shooting long distance, now I really... | ||
| I mean, getting sub-10 yards from an animal is pretty freaking cool. | ||
| I can imagine. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And, you know, when people are thinking about trying it out, give it a try, right? | ||
| One thing good, you can do it with your kids. | ||
| Do you ever get to a point where you're like, I'm going to make my own arrowheads? | ||
| Fuck no, not yet. | ||
| I'm going to cut my own sticks and whittle my own arrows. | ||
| Like, you can really full-on Comanche. | ||
| I've had a lot of people message me about that, and... | ||
| And Amy, right now, I can tell you that. | ||
| I am very accurate with that. | ||
| Well, we just shot that tournament with Luke and the group and the compound trad. | ||
| Luke was so happy because at the end, he asked a bunch of compound guys what their scores were so he could give them shit because mine was higher. | ||
| Because everybody was giving him shit about, how do you let Aaron beat you with a stick bow? | ||
| And he's like, screw you guys. | ||
| You come do it because I've taken a bunch of money from him. | ||
| I like that accuracy. | ||
| Even though it's not where I was with a compound... | ||
| I don't know that I'll never build my own bow, but I would say the chances are highly unlikely. | ||
| I'm pretty happy where I'm at right now. | ||
| Building a bow by yourself, you mean cutting a wood and actually constructing a bow out of the wood? | ||
| Yeah, and probably the best guy that... | ||
| Clay Hayes is a real traditional dude. | ||
| He's... | ||
| So not even a recurve. | ||
| He's using like a regular long bow. | ||
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| Cut it out of his front yard. | ||
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| What kind of wood would you use for that? | ||
| Well, they have bow dart trees, which is... | ||
| Actually, I don't know what the real... | ||
| Osage maybe is what a bow dart tree is. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| I'm not an expert at this shit, and I don't plan on being... | ||
| I mean, I got an aluminum riser right now, so what am I talking about? | ||
| But the thing is... | ||
| See, that seems crazy. | ||
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| When you're using a traditional bow, but it's made out of aluminum, like... | ||
| I know, right? | ||
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I'm kind of cheating. | |
| Yeah, I was just going to say I get hate mail all the time for it. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
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Oh, fuck. | |
| You always say I get hate mail all the time for you, and I always say, why are you reading that shit? | ||
| You're right, and I will say you have been a good influence because I probably in the last... | ||
| Five years, I have really gotten to a point where it takes a lot for me to get any engagement or any rise out of it. | ||
| I just read them and laugh because I'm like, yeah, whatever, that's your opinion. | ||
| But the problem is with me, not problem, I answer so many tech questions. | ||
| I try to be super involved with our customers as well as guys that need help. | ||
| So you have to read some emails. | ||
| And some of them I just laugh at. | ||
| But I will say like... | ||
| Like that stupid trad vein I came up with, it's not stupid. | ||
| I thought that would be good for the community. | ||
| Fuck no. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| It's a vein you can shoot out of a stick bow. | ||
| You mean the feathers for people? | ||
| No, the feathers for the arrows. | ||
| So feathers are for generally traditional archers shoot feathers. | ||
| And they do that because it has to contact the riser and it flattens out easier? | ||
| Flattens out. | ||
| So it's more accurate. | ||
| Yes, exactly, because you don't get to bounce off the ship. | ||
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| Like you would with a plastic vein like you do with a compound bow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It hits the shelf and bounces. | ||
| You get contact, bounces off. | ||
| So I had that goat hunt. | ||
| I got a hold of the guys at AAE and I was like, hey, let's get this. | ||
| I don't care if you sell them. | ||
| I just want them. | ||
| Well, I thought that would have been – this is how weird the traditional archery community is for me. | ||
| I thought that would be a positive for guys that do backpack hunts and it was for a lot of guys. | ||
| I got – I made the mistake of reading a few online traditional archery forums about myself, and that was a bad idea because I was like the devil because of those veins. | ||
| Because they want them to be feathers. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like the Antichrist or something. | ||
| They want it to be feathers because it's traditional? | ||
| It's traditional, yeah. | ||
| Even though the wood is made from a CNC machine, their riser, and their limbs have carbon in them. | ||
| No, people are weird. | ||
| People are weird, especially when people get into tradition, traditional things. | ||
| They get very strange. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't, man, like with me, I don't care if you hunt in pink underwear and use a whatever the hell, Dave and Goliath, whatever, the bow, so you do whatever makes you happy. | ||
| I just want people to get outdoors and get off the couch, but, you know, everybody has different opinions and perspectives and whatever else, but for me, that was just a tool that increased my opportunity while I was out there, but it was definitely frowned upon by some. | ||
| Yeah, fuck them. | ||
| Don't you think that this would be a really good time for some sort of hunting education, like a program that people can enter, where they could be taught adult-onset hunting, people who are adults learn how to do it, someone take you out. | ||
| I mean, I know there's a few people that do similar things out there, but man, it would be real nice, especially when When COVID happened and people realized, hey, this food supply chain is a little sketchy. | ||
| We don't really have any toilet paper here. | ||
| My buddy went to the grocery store and said there was one package of ground meat. | ||
| That was all that was there. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, man, that could go sideways. | ||
| It was pretty crazy. | ||
| Some of my neighbors that were not keen on me taking my own animals and all the food I had in the deep freezer that all of a sudden wanted to come. | ||
| They were not keen on it? | ||
| Like, did they tell you they weren't keen on it? | ||
| Yeah, you could see they're pretty down on it. | ||
| Did they say something to you? | ||
| Uh, you know, other than like, yeah, I'm not into hunting, like that, um, kind of underlying, you know, go fuck yourself, you shot an animal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, but they ate meat, you know, so I, whatever, however you want to look at that. | ||
| That's the weirdest. | ||
| And then when COVID hit, because I do, I eat four or five hundred pounds a year, pretty easy of meat, um, Maybe more than that. | ||
| Plus, you know, I give my daughter and whatever. | ||
| Anyway, I, some of them had come over and were like, hey, can we try some of that? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I don't, you know, I'm always going to encourage people to try it. | ||
| And then now it's obviously worked out because they're addicted to it. | ||
| They love it. | ||
| Once you taste it. | ||
| Yeah, it's so good for you, too. | ||
| It just feels better when you eat it. | ||
| You like, if you eat a real nice elk steak, like you get like energy. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's hard to describe to people. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And I mean, you also have, like for me, the fact that, you know, the way I got it, it just adds to the whole experience, which is hard to explain. | ||
| But I think that as a whole, like land navigation, you know, how to break down an animal, you know, animal behavior. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be a hell of a class that I think wouldn't be a horrible time to. | ||
| Yeah, I think it would be great for people. | ||
| I mean, I wouldn't say do it with archery. | ||
| I would say do it with a rifle, you know, especially people that don't have any experience in it. | ||
| But I think that would be incredibly rewarding. | ||
| It's not something that everybody can do. | ||
| Well, people always say that when you talk about hunting as being a method of acquiring your meat. | ||
| Like, hey, we don't have to factory farm. | ||
| Hunting is still a possibility. | ||
| People go, well, you know, you can't feed everyone with hunting. | ||
| And they're right. | ||
| You really can't. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| Everyone's not going to do it. | ||
| It's like everything else. | ||
| It's like, you know, the whole world can't go to jujitsu class. | ||
| It would be too packed. | ||
| That's good, because most people are not going to do it anyway. | ||
| It's too hard. | ||
| It's the same thing with lifting weights. | ||
| It's the same thing with yoga. | ||
| It's the same thing with anything that's difficult. | ||
| Difficult things do not attract people. | ||
| They attract some people. | ||
| They attract people that are interested in challenges. | ||
| Yeah, and I would say the only thing if you did that, you'd probably want the shooting of the weapon to be the last portion because a lot of people would want to just do that and then bounce. | ||
| You'd have to earn your way to that. | ||
| You'd have to have a curriculum, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, and I talk about that easy button that people hit all the time. | ||
| One of the things I got most thankful for is I came up with a time with no rangefinder. | ||
| I had to learn to range. | ||
| How did you range with no rangefinder? | ||
| Did you learn how to recognize actual distance of things by thinking of it in terms of body sizes? | ||
| First it was a tape. | ||
| We'd measure. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You'd roll it out and we would have different courses or whatever. | ||
| When I say we didn't have rangefinders, Right when I started, there was like a Bushnell 500. The thing was the size of this freaking notebook. | ||
| It was giant. | ||
| It was a mono, an ocular. | ||
| And that was like the first one. | ||
| And then they had some other ones that were probably available to people that had a lot of money. | ||
| But you would be pacing it out. | ||
| My step is a yard. | ||
| And so I measured out or we were at a range and I'd make sure how far everything was. | ||
| I would pace it out. | ||
| So I would guess the yardage and I would pace it. | ||
| Guess the yardage and I would pace it. | ||
| I've heard of archery competitions where they don't let you use a range finder. | ||
| So here's the thing with that. | ||
| So we talked about Levi before. | ||
| Levi Morgan has shot higher scores at times on unknown 3D courses where the known 3D course had a shot a lower score and those guys had range finders. | ||
| That's how good that dude is. | ||
| So when you say unknown, you mean 3D courses where you can't use a rangefinder. | ||
| So you're shooting at targets, and you have to guesstimate. | ||
| Yep, and he guesses the yardage. | ||
| And there's another class, shoots from the same stakes, and they get rangefinders. | ||
| Levi has beaten them with no rangefinder. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That's how fucking good that guy is. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| When people talk about... | ||
| Because you get guys like, I would say, me and Cam. | ||
| Not a tournament guy. | ||
| Cam's shooting 160-yard shots. | ||
| Great shot. | ||
| Or even Dudley. | ||
| Dudley, amazing shot. | ||
| But when you look at a Levi Morgan, if you dig into him... | ||
| 13 ASA World Championships in a row that that guy won. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| And he's still shooting today, and then you think he's hitting fucking quarters not knowing the distance out of 50 yards. | ||
| It really is crazy that someone could win something that competitive 13 years in a row. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to believe. | ||
| Well, I mean, about the time, like, my wife is making my head too big, I'll pull up YouTube and have her watch an ASA with, like, Gillingham and Levi or Dan McCarthy. | ||
| And I'm like, these guys are good, honey. | ||
| I'm just okay. | ||
| Like, these guys are fucking unbelievable. | ||
| It's an obsession, right? | ||
| Archery is a weird Zen obsession. | ||
| I try to explain to people, like, if I never hunted again for the rest of my life, if I never even ate meat for the rest of my life, I would definitely shoot bows and arrows. | ||
| I would definitely practice archery. | ||
| Because there's something that happens when you concentrate on that target and the shot process and the shot breaks and that arrow sinks right into where you're looking at. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's a beautiful feeling. | ||
| That's extremely rewarding. | ||
| It would be hard for me. | ||
| I mean, what happened with me when I did that switch, right? | ||
| I found a new love for archery that I had lost because the newness ran away. | ||
| And I'm not saying I was perfect at it, but you can pick up a compound and shoot it and skip a week and still be pretty damn good with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That stick bow, you got to shoot it all the time. | ||
| So I got to a point where 15 years ago, I would take work off and call in sick to set up my new bow. | ||
| Like I was always been addicted to archery. | ||
| And then later on down the line, that newness wore off where now, well, I'm the boss, so I don't have to call in sick. | ||
| I am so, I mean, literally like a kid at a Christmas waiting for shit to come in with that recurve. | ||
| So it rejuvenated that love for archery. | ||
| And it kicks the shit out of you, and so that challenge, you know, when I say kicks the shit out of you, that challenge of practicing, it's pretty addictive. | ||
| I was actually surprised you haven't tried it more yet, but you may not have. | ||
| Traditional bow? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't have the time. | ||
| I know what it is. | ||
| I know that it's going to take X amount of hours every single day, and I'm scared. | ||
| It's like the same reason why I won't play golf. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I know me. | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| I'm not walking around for eight hours a day, because then I would be doing it every day, and everything else would suffer. | ||
| That's why I don't do CrossFit, to be honest with you. | ||
| Because I'm super competitive. | ||
| Fuck, I fucking hate to lose. | ||
| I just watched that documentary. | ||
| There's a CrossFit documentary. | ||
| I forget what it's called. | ||
| It's The Fittest or something like that. | ||
| It shows the competitions. | ||
| It's like, fucking bonkers, Matt. | ||
| We had Matt Chan on the other day. | ||
| He took second in 2012 in the CrossFit Games. | ||
| I'm not a CrossFitter, so I don't know all the different shit. | ||
| But, I mean, he's fit, that's for sure. | ||
| But I've told Frank, I'm like, dude, I'm not good at not... | ||
| I'm giving everything I have. | ||
| And one, I'll probably fuck myself up physically, you know, trying too hard. | ||
| But two, the time to put into that with everything else I've got going on, my workout program's fine, you know. | ||
| So I'm like, dude, I got enough irons in the fire. | ||
| I don't want to dive into the CrossFit arena and get consumed by that as well as many other things. | ||
| Even photography takes time and all that shit. | ||
| All your hobbies take time. | ||
| The CrossFit thing, too. | ||
| I know too many people that have hurt themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They push too hard and they hurt them. | ||
| I was just reading an article about a guy who was a CrossFit trainer who got rhabdo. | ||
| Rhabdomyelosis. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| Yeah, CrossFit trainer. | ||
| He's like, I'm a CrossFit instructor and I got rhabdo from a CrossFit workout. | ||
| But you're pushing yourself so hard with all those reps and you're doing it, trying to keep up with all the people that are in the class with you. | ||
| I get it's great for you, but for morons like me, probably not the best move. | ||
| I'm going to agree with you in that moron category on my end, because a moron like me, like, literally, like, Frank and I are competitive even though we're not competitive. | ||
| You know, we both want to do good. | ||
| If I go into a CrossFit gym and Frank beats me, it's not like I'm going to go home and be like, oh, shucks, I lost my mother, and I'm going to go, you know, full apeshit. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It is, again, I get, you know, guys get pissed or whatever about, you know, me. | ||
| I'm not talking shit about CrossFit. | ||
| I'm saying I do not, I would probably slack on form because of whatever the water, whatever it's called for the day. | ||
| I'd probably chintz on form and fuck myself up. | ||
| Look, I know you can fuck yourself up doing everything, and I've fucked myself up doing jujitsu multiple times. | ||
| I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but... | ||
| You know, I've talked to people that are real, like, legit trainers, like Steve Maxwell, who said he doesn't like it because it's lifting weights as a sport. | ||
| He goes, lifting weights should be something you do that enhances sport. | ||
| He goes, particularly when you're doing Olympic movements. | ||
| He's like, Olympic movements shouldn't be done to maximum repetition. | ||
| He's like they should be done controlled and they should be done, you know a low number of reps and you're just trying to build strength, but Everyone's got their own thought process and when you look at those guys in those competitions and the girls the girls scare the fuck out of me There's some of those girls are built like fucking gorillas like that's crazy. | ||
| I don't know if that's good girls, but I don't know who's into that But the guys are obviously insanely fit so saying that it's not good for you seems silly It's obviously very good for them You know, some of those fucking dudes are so impressive. | ||
| I just worry about shoulder injuries. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like the kip-ups thingy-dingies. | ||
| What are those called? | ||
| Kipper? | ||
| Kip-up, chin-ups. | ||
| And body muscle-ups. | ||
| Those things look like a recipe for me to fuck myself up. | ||
| Yeah, they're a recipe for a labrum tear. | ||
| But guys, a bunch of guys gave me shit when I set up my own gym. | ||
| They're like, it looks like a CrossFit gym. | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I'm not doing any kip-ups, though. | ||
| Like, making jokes, but I do pretty simple. | ||
| Well, your gym looks like a functional strength gym, you know? | ||
| I do the most... | ||
| I do, you know, as far as, like... | ||
| I'll do one-arm dumbbell snatches. | ||
| I do some straight-leg deadlifts. | ||
| But I do everything in moderation. | ||
| And where I used to lift super heavy for power, like crazy heavy now... | ||
| Well, you used to be a big motherfucker, right? | ||
| I'm 70 pounds bigger than I am now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's so big. | |
| Well, I got to... | ||
| I benched... | ||
| My goal was to bench over 500. Now, I... Before you get any dickheads emailing me, I cheated, right? | ||
| I used steroids. | ||
| And I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. | ||
| But I tell you what, when your wiener breaks from taking that, that'll make you stop doing anything. | ||
| Because that's what happened. | ||
| I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. | ||
| But I got to where I could lift pretty much anything I wanted. | ||
| I couldn't walk from me to Jamie and back without getting winded. | ||
| And so, I mean, I'll just... | ||
| Can I just list what I took? | ||
| It doesn't matter, right? | ||
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Sure. | |
| So I was taking 250 milligrams or one milliliter of enanthate every three days. | ||
| So basically, I was taking three shots a week of enanthate. | ||
| I don't know what that is. | ||
| Is that hardcore stuff? | ||
| No, it's just testosterone, 250 milligrams. | ||
| So I take one shot of that a week now for being on... | ||
| Testosterone replacement therapy. | ||
| But I was also taking Ekapoise. | ||
| That's for horses. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| I was taking Ekapoise. | ||
| I was taking... | ||
| That makes you super purple. | ||
| Deca. | ||
| I took Trinibolen for a while, but I could not handle Trin. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I hung a guy out of a building. | ||
| Trin is not good. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Superhuman strength, aggressive sex drive, but superhuman dickhead, too. | ||
| It's just not for me. | ||
| So I only took that for a little bit. | ||
| And I didn't take it for that long. | ||
| The one thing I found out is, one, there's a reason that you're not supposed to be on that shit. | ||
| And I'm not a religious guy, so I'm not going to say God didn't mean you to be that way. | ||
| But somebody didn't mean me to fucking be that way. | ||
| Well, you're monkeying with your structure. | ||
| You have a chemical and biological and hormonal structure of your body, and you're monkeying with that. | ||
| You know, you're adding massive amounts of muscle to your body. | ||
| You're adding superhuman levels of hormones to your body. | ||
| Well, and I, you know, I'm, I'm an, like, the first time I took ecopoids, it's a horse decongestant. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Decongestion? | ||
| Yeah, it's like cleans out the airways or opens up, it's a bronchial dilator, some hacking shit up. | ||
| I'm like, what am I getting sick? | ||
| Well, it's because I, you know, there's horses and pigs on the fucking container, right? | ||
| Idiot, right? | ||
| People ask me about it. | ||
| I'm like, don't do it. | ||
| Eat healthier. | ||
| You know, work out hard. | ||
| Like, I lost everything anyway, but the problem was, is in the middle of that, they have DECA, and they call it DECA-DIC, right? | ||
| It makes you, like, no sex drive. | ||
| And I wasn't taking anything to... | ||
| Because I watched Hidalgo, right? | ||
| And the horse fell in the pit with my daughter, and I started crying. | ||
| What is Hidalgo? | ||
| It's a movie, right? | ||
| Anyway, the horse falls in the pit, and the horse gets, like, a spear in its leg, and I'm crying. | ||
| I'm like, what in the fuck is wrong with me? | ||
| Oh, you're emotional. | ||
| Jesus, my estrogen levels were like through the roof. | ||
| So I looked, and like an idiot, I was taking, I had 200 milligram per milliliter Deca, and then I had another bottle that was like 400 or something, and I got them mixed up, so I was doubling up on Deca. | ||
| How long did you do this for? | ||
| Maybe a year and a half. | ||
| Did you get yourself checked out after it was over? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, when I first got off, I wish I had a photo. | ||
| I don't know if we could pull one up, how big I got. | ||
| I look like that rock on Fantastic Four. | ||
| It's fucking weird looking. | ||
| Dude, I had Ronnie Coleman in here a couple weeks ago. | ||
| First of all, what a great guy. | ||
| So nice. | ||
| So friendly and so happy, even though he's basically broken. | ||
| How many back surgeries did he say he had? | ||
| Something crazy. | ||
| Yeah, like more than 10 back surgeries. | ||
| I read an article that said 13, but I don't know. | ||
| And that was probably it. | ||
| His entire back is basically fused. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you look at him when he was Mr. Olympia, you know, when he was winning? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| I mean, that a human being can get that big. | ||
| Oh, it's insane. | ||
| And I mean, I only scratched, like I didn't put the, you know, he's done it his whole life, right? | ||
| Those guys are freaks. | ||
| Phil Heath lives by us in Denver. | ||
| You'll see him every now and then you're used to, and he's a new kind of one guy like Ronnie. | ||
| The thing is, though, it's like you go into a gym and grab two 200-pound dumbbells and you start doing incline binge with no spotter. | ||
| You know, grabbing some looks, but I genetically was not built to lift that heavy, right? | ||
| There's some help involved in that. | ||
| But I got to a point where I was super emotional and not like a – I don't believe really in the roid rage thing because I never got that. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| You're just telling me you're hanging a guy off the side of a building. | ||
| That's word rage. | ||
| Yeah, well, let me finish. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| But I think if you just take an increased amount of, like, testosterone and anabolic in general, if you're a happy guy, you're happy. | ||
| If you're a sad guy, you're sad. | ||
| And if you're a dickhead, you're more of a dickhead. | ||
| The thing with, well, Trent, that's why I got off it. | ||
| That was one thing for me that definitely, I just, I was changing psychologically. | ||
| When I got off, it was the problem. | ||
| Like, emotionally, I was a wreck. | ||
| Like, that's the closest, I'm not like a suicidal guy. | ||
| That's the closest where my brain just didn't function right. | ||
| And then I got off cold turkey and Whatever. | ||
| Well, that is a big issue with kids, young kids. | ||
| Their endocrine system crashes and just like we were talking about with soldiers that have been blown up a bunch or football players or fighters, your body's not producing testosterone correctly. | ||
| After you get off that shit, you get really, really depressed for some people. | ||
| Bigorexia is what they were telling me because I was afraid to go to the gym because I was shrinking. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| So you know what I did is I joined Planet Fitness. | ||
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Perfect. | |
| You can hide in there and be little and fit right in. | ||
| You can't even make noise. | ||
| No, I know, right? | ||
| Kick you out. | ||
| Lunk alarm. | ||
| Have you seen that alarm? | ||
| Have you ever seen an alarm go off? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there was a couple muscle heads that went in there, I think, to prove it in one of the gyms that I went to. | ||
| And they were grunting and deadlifting. | ||
| They kicked them out. | ||
| They pull your membership. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| You can't try hard. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| If you're lifting heavy, you're going to like... | ||
| If you do that, they're like, hey, you're trying too hard. | ||
| We don't want that here. | ||
| It was weird for me. | ||
| I'm not a weight dropper, but definitely if you're doing a deadlift, there's something, and it's heavy, something's probably going to come out of you, right? | ||
| You're going to do some grunting. | ||
| I'm a grunter, bro. | ||
| And so I don't... | ||
| I'm not the guy that makes a crazy amount of noise in the gym, but there's times where it's last couple, you know... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's frowned upon. | ||
| So I went there for like six months, which I will say was the smartest thing I could have done. | ||
| There was no temptation. | ||
| There's Tootsie Rolls in a fucking basket at the front of it, right? | ||
| Is there really? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They serve Tootsie Rolls? | ||
| Pizza? | ||
| They serve pizza? | ||
| Oh, it's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. | ||
| At that place and space in my life, it was what I needed because I had no temptation. | ||
| I just think it's amazing that they would set up a place where they're encouraging you to not try too hard. | ||
| And they do well. | ||
| I'm sure! | ||
| That's how people like it. | ||
| I was laughing because... | ||
| Well, I'd say laughing. | ||
| Like, for me, once I got out of it, you know, I was like, that is the strangest shit I've ever seen. | ||
| There's a gym that wants you to be fat. | ||
| That's strange. | ||
| Because they do. | ||
| There's Pizza Tuesdays or whatever. | ||
| Do they want you to be fat or do they just encourage you to not intimidate the other people with your performance? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Probably, because I was definitely the oddball at the one I went to. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Like, I would do calf raises, and I would put two 45s on each side on the ground, and then I would put four 45s on the, like a Smith machine, and I'm just doing calf drops. | ||
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| Oh, that got shit-canned immediately. | ||
| They told you not to do it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For one, they said I was taking all the weights up, and two, they said that's not, they didn't kick me off totally, they said that is frowned upon here. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| What is frowned upon here? | ||
| Calf raises? | ||
| Because how I was doing it. | ||
| And I was like, this is strange. | ||
| But I can't, again, it was good for me at that time to get off. | ||
| Because, dude, that was the hardest thing mentally that I had to do in a while. | ||
| That is everything I hate about America. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that whole, just the idea behind that. | ||
| Don't try too hard. | ||
| Just like, no, no, no, not here. | ||
| Here we're going to use 45% exertion. | ||
| Dude, I get in trouble a lot. | ||
| I get called a dick for... | ||
| Being the guy that's rub some dirt in your crotch and get the fuck up and go. | ||
| Rub some dirt in your crotch. | ||
| Is that real good advice? | ||
| It gets a point across, right? | ||
| Well, when guys will ask me certain pieces of advice that they need, like a, they need someone like maybe you or me or Ronella or whoever to give them a, oh man, that's okay. | ||
| I'm not that fucking guy. | ||
| Don't send me a message where you think you're going to get some kind of, you know, Oh, it's okay that you suck. | ||
| You know, keep going. | ||
| Like, I try to circle myself with people that tell me I suck to try harder. | ||
| That makes sense? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I get messages and I'm like, dude... | ||
| No, that's not okay. | ||
| I'm like, you're fucking weak. | ||
| Just push harder. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| Keep trying. | ||
| Well, the only problem with that kind of advice is some people start off with a terrible base, right? | ||
| If you're a person that doesn't have any athletic background, no exercise at all, you really do have to start off light. | ||
| And I tell people all the time, like, if you're just starting exercise, if you work in an office, you're in a cubicle, you're completely sedentary, All you have to do is just start walking. | ||
| Just start with walks. | ||
| Then do some push-ups. | ||
| Do a few things. | ||
| Don't do anything crazy. | ||
| That's great advice. | ||
| That's the advice I'm giving, though, is that type of advice. | ||
| Like when they send me their diet plan, and it's the diet plan of a Greek god, and I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, you're fucking lying. | ||
| Like, you're not doing that shit. | ||
| Like, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| I totally agree with what you're saying, but think about it. | ||
| If I messaged you and said, hey, man, I've been eating 80 grams of carbs a day. | ||
| I'm walking four miles, no soda. | ||
| I'm still 260 pounds at 5'9". | ||
| I think something's wrong. | ||
| And it's like, yeah, you're fucking lying to yourself is what's wrong. | ||
| Or maybe something's really wrong. | ||
| You need to go to a doctor. | ||
| I've said that, too, because you, I have... | ||
| I've met a lot of people with thyroid problems. | ||
| Yeah, definitely that. | ||
| But you can get checked out and so I am probably not the best for advice because literally if you're the guy that's gotten checked out and you're just making excuses, I'm like, dude, just quit fucking lying to yourself and push more. | ||
| It is kind of crazy how many people lie about how often they work out and what they do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and again, I probably sound jaded, but coming as a recovering fat kid myself, right? | ||
| Like, fuck, I wake up and eat peanut butter. | ||
| My wife has to hide the shit, right? | ||
| I got problems. | ||
| So I know where they're coming from. | ||
| You say that, but I've never seen you fat. | ||
| In all the years I've known you, you've always been fit. | ||
| But I always say I'm fat, so I don't get that way. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| But that's the mentality. | ||
| That's the right mentality versus the mentality that lies about how often you work out and what you eat. | ||
| Well, and, you know... | ||
| Again, I call myself fat and I always will because I never want to be fat again. | ||
| I got up to 260 when I got out of the army. | ||
| Did you ever get to a point where you were making your own meals for the backcountry? | ||
| Did you ever use a dehydrator? | ||
| I do that now. | ||
| Do you do that now? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What do you cook? | ||
| What kind of stuff do you make? | ||
| So rewind, the cheapest meal I can get if I'm in a hurry and I can't make it is I get brown rice top ramen and olive oil tuna. | ||
| For people listening, that is a cheap way to do it. | ||
| So tuna and olive oil, brown rice top ramen? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What is brown rice top ramen? | ||
| It's just a healthier top ramen. | ||
| And then I make my own seasoning so it's not loaded with sodium. | ||
| But when I make a meal, and there's multiple ways to do that, the super easiest is just take... | ||
| Elk steak, right? | ||
| Or elk, a roast. | ||
| Cook the roast like you normally would. | ||
| And then in that roast, I'll cut up sweet potatoes and I'll put in veggies in there, just basically make kind of a stew. | ||
| And then in that, then I, and I put a, so when I do that though, I put a ton of olive oil in it because of the fat. | ||
| And then I have trays on the dehydrator, and they're the trays where it's like a Frisbee, so it can't go through. | ||
| So I've got elk, sweet potatoes, olive oil, I'll usually put in like broccoli, shit like that. | ||
| And the sweet potatoes I cut up relatively small. | ||
| I dehydrate it. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| Do you have to, when you make a meal like that with a dehydrated, do you have to add extra seasoning so that it tastes good when you rehydrate it? | ||
| There's two ways to do it. | ||
| What I encourage people to do is not add as much seasoning when you cook it because it will be hard to get it right. | ||
| Meaning... | ||
| Everyone might if you're if you got a buddy or or Depending upon what the meal is some meals are more flavorful than others some are more bland I added after okay, so when you're in it's like you pour boiling water into it and then you add the seasoning on top of that so what I do is I You can do it in a Ziploc bag, but the easiest thing is those just cheap plastic containers, or you can put in a titanium one. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| But once I, you know, kick it off, boil it, get it rehydrated, get the boiling water in there, I just put a lid on it, let it sit for 10 minutes, not very long, or boil it until it is if I have extra fuel, and then it's ready to go just like that, just like a mountain house. | ||
| Same principle. | ||
| Dude, nothing makes me fart harder than mountain houses. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, and it turns your poop funny colors. | ||
| Like, MREs is an orange, and Mountain House is a green. | ||
| I've never pooped green, at least I did, and I did look at it, but the smells that were coming out of my body last time I ate Mountain House, it's just like, Christ. | ||
| The shit cannot be good for you. | ||
| It's got a lot of sodium, and most people are like, why does it matter? | ||
| It's like, hmm, 150 nights a year, it fucking matters. | ||
| Like, I have got to, I can't eat those things all the time, so... | ||
| There's a few new companies, Off Grid's pretty healthy, that I use. | ||
| But when I make my own, I will take Idahoan potatoes, and then at home, I make for shepherd's pie. | ||
| And then what I've made and put in the dehydrator, I just mix it with Idahoan potatoes, so I make my own shepherd's pie. | ||
| So you dehydrate it, and then do you vacuum seal it in little packets? | ||
| It depends. | ||
| If I'm... | ||
| A lot of times, no. | ||
| I actually just put it in a Ziploc bag. | ||
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Really? | |
| Because the vacuum seal thing, it helps, but if I'm making it per trip or per month... | ||
| You're not trying to get it to stay forever. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not worried about it. | ||
| So, yeah, that's one of the things. | ||
| But there's other ways to cheat the... | ||
| I say cheat the system, but there is other ways that you can... | ||
| Save money, eat healthier, you know, when you're out there. | ||
| And a lot of guys, if you're only going for seven days, it's not that big of a deal. | ||
| But long term, you really got to think ahead. | ||
| I would also imagine that it gives you an extra sense of satisfaction that you're doing something. | ||
| Like you're creating your own meals. | ||
| And while you're eating that, you know this is a meal from an animal that you shot yourself. | ||
| You put the meal together yourself. | ||
| You dehydrate it. | ||
| Now you're rehydrating it. | ||
| That extra sense of satisfaction that you're doing something. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Actually, I've done it so much now that satisfaction is almost kind of, again, desensitized. | ||
| We're talking 20 years. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| What's weird and what's not normal is when people look at me like I'm weird that I do it. | ||
| That is weird for me. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
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What? | |
| It's not... | ||
| I'm like, you cook burger, don't you? | ||
| Like, really, people come over and... | ||
| Well, my wife's a real estate agent. | ||
| She gives a package to the people that want a wild game. | ||
| Dude, it's like the smartest thing she ever thought of because I don't... | ||
| I've never bought elk, but I guess it's fucking expensive if you go buy it. | ||
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Try to get. | |
| Yeah, so she'll do like a package of wild game as a thank you if she sells a house. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| They'll call and she has all kinds of recipes or whatever. | ||
| So when people come over and they're like, what are we eating? | ||
| And I'm like, oh, that's mountain goat and that's moose there. | ||
| And then we have like jalapeno cheeseburger and we'll mix it with our dad because our dad's kind of a weird flavor. | ||
| What does our dad taste like? | ||
| Because everybody is varied on that. | ||
| Some people say it's terrible. | ||
| Some people say it's delicious. | ||
| I would say the taste is good. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough, chewy. | ||
| So it's good, like a braise it and cook it, slow cook it? | ||
| So I don't think you can fuck up anything. | ||
| You slow cook. | ||
| That's the thing when people are, I'm like, how do you fuck up a roast? | ||
| But if you, like I took a backstrap or a tenderloin and cooked it, it was pretty tough. | ||
| So we make everything into burger, salami, you know, pepperoni sticks or whatever out of the outdad. | ||
| Now, is it my first choice? | ||
| No. | ||
| But I tell you, the burger's pretty flavorful. | ||
| So we make almost everything into breakfast sausage and burger. | ||
| Does it depend on what time of year? | ||
| Like if it's in the rut? | ||
| I would say the rut part has a huge part to do with it. | ||
| But if you make it into jalapeno cheeseburger, I don't give a fuck if you put that into a turd. | ||
| That is going to taste good, right? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| And so the last one, that big, big one I shot, we made almost that whole thing into... | ||
| Well, we did. | ||
| We made the whole thing into burger, brats, breakfast sausage. | ||
| But it tastes pretty good. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I think how people take care of the animal is part of the problem and how they cook it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we let them – we drip them. | ||
| We drain them totally. | ||
| And when I say age it, not aging, we'll let it hang for a couple days. | ||
| We let it age as far as let it drain out. | ||
| It makes it more tender. | ||
| So I – I hate when people say things taste bad when it's just you're a dumb shit. | ||
| Bad preparation. | ||
| Yeah, it's bad prep. | ||
| Because I haven't tasted much Wild Game that wasn't great. | ||
| Dude, we just did three hours, believe it or not. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| Time flies in this room. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I haven't peed yet, and that's a fucking miracle. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You drank two Kilt Clips and a bottle of water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, man. | ||
| Tell everybody your podcast, KefaroCast. | ||
| You can get it if you're interested more in hunting and backpacking. | ||
| KefaroCast, it's available everywhere. | ||
| And Kefaro International is the website? | ||
| So Kefaro, K-I-F-A-R-U.net is the website, and KefaroCast is the podcast. | ||
| And best fucking backpacks in the game. | ||
| Yeah, I appreciate it, man. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| Great for being here, brother. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| It was really fun to talk to you. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
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