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June 19, 2020 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1495 - Kyle Dunnigan
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joe rogan
Kyle Dunnigan smoking marijuana.
This is dangerous.
kyle dunnigan
Is it?
joe rogan
You're gonna go crazy.
kyle dunnigan
You think?
joe rogan
Yes!
Don't you watch those movies?
kyle dunnigan
Oh, I forgot about that.
Yeah, pot drugs will make you crazy.
joe rogan
They'll make you nuts.
kyle dunnigan
Are you talking about those old videos, the old-timey black and white where they literally have- Reef of Madness.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you know where those were funded by?
kyle dunnigan
Who?
joe rogan
William Randolph Hearst.
kyle dunnigan
Was that right?
joe rogan
Yeah, that piece of shit.
kyle dunnigan
He was a piece of shit, right?
unidentified
Rosebud.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
And his daughter brought a gun into a bank.
joe rogan
Wow.
Why?
Maybe she wanted to protect her money.
She's rich as fuck.
It's not like she's robbing the place.
kyle dunnigan
Do I have the wrong person?
joe rogan
Patty Hearst.
kyle dunnigan
Patty Hearst.
joe rogan
That's right.
Yeah.
Must be related, right?
What is she, the granddaughter?
I think she's the granddaughter because she's too young to be the daughter.
kyle dunnigan
I like that we have no information.
joe rogan
We have none.
kyle dunnigan
Let's go with it.
joe rogan
But let's broadcast it to millions.
kyle dunnigan
Write this down, kids.
jamie vernon
Get a pen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Patty Hearst.
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
That's an interesting story.
joe rogan
Well, William Randolph Hearst is also the reason why there's wild pigs in California.
kyle dunnigan
Why is that?
joe rogan
Because that asshole brought them to his ranch.
He wanted to have a menagerie.
I think that's the correct term.
Menagerie of animals.
He's a nutty person.
You could visit Hearst Castle.
It's this crazy place.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I want to go there.
joe rogan
So Northern California has kind of an infestation of wild pigs, and it's directly because of William Randolph Hearst.
kyle dunnigan
Really?
joe rogan
The pigs that left his compound just started fucking and running through the woods.
There it is.
That's the place.
kyle dunnigan
I feel like you could solve that, the bow and arrow.
joe rogan
No, it's very hard to solve.
Wild pigs are the hardest animal to solve in terms of invasive species because they fuck like crazy and they breed like three times a year.
So one pig can have like three litters in a year.
kyle dunnigan
Pigs love to fuck.
They love it.
unidentified
I've always said that.
joe rogan
They're dirty pigs.
kyle dunnigan
There's something in Hawaii where they had some infestation and they brought in this other animal to get it, but they brought the wrong...
Animal, and then that became the infestation.
Again, something I don't have enough information about.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're incorrect about that.
Because for something that could kill pigs, it would have to be a big predator, like a cat.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, no, this wasn't pigs.
This was like a different infestation.
joe rogan
Why?
unidentified
It was slightly related to your story.
joe rogan
Well, I know they did that in Australia.
Australia fucked themselves up hardcore.
They brought in animals to kill animals, and those animals wound up running amok and killing everything.
kyle dunnigan
That's what always seems to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They brought in cats, like house cats.
They have an infestation of wild house cats in Australia.
kyle dunnigan
Well, it's kind of cute, though.
I mean, it's better than...
joe rogan
But it's sick, because bow hunters are, like, paid to hunt cats.
Like, people are paid bounties for house cats.
So in Australian hunting magazines, you'll see guys holding up a house cat...
kyle dunnigan
What do you get per cat?
joe rogan
I don't think you get a lot.
kyle dunnigan
Can't live off your cat?
joe rogan
It's not like beaver pelts or anything like that where it's really valuable.
kyle dunnigan
How high is this going to make?
unidentified
Super high.
joe rogan
We're already gone.
We're already gone.
kyle dunnigan
Really?
joe rogan
I hit it four times, man.
kyle dunnigan
I'm already not starting off with a lot of IQ points.
I can't...
joe rogan
We don't need IQ points.
We're spitting facts, son!
Yeah!
kyle dunnigan
About wild animals.
joe rogan
Fucking wild cats.
kyle dunnigan
You're the one who told me about the mustard weed.
And once you said that, I can't not see mustard weed.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
I think it came from Russia.
That crazy, beautiful, yellow weed that covers the hills in California.
It's really pretty.
It looks awesome.
kyle dunnigan
I thought it was pretty until you told me it was a weed.
Now I think it looks gross.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
You call one plant one thing, another plant.
It's a fucking plant.
You know, like, we're really racist with plants.
kyle dunnigan
We are.
We're plantists.
joe rogan
You know, we're plantists.
So if you see, like, a beautiful green grass, but it's got some weird, like, daisies popping up, people get mad at those daisies.
kyle dunnigan
They're nice.
joe rogan
Fucking daisies ruining my grass.
They'll go pluck them.
Rip them out of their life.
Fuck you.
You're not what I want.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they're very...
I have a bunch...
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
They want uniform.
Just all the grass.
kyle dunnigan
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Isn't that a weird thing that we do a lawn?
A lawn is a weird thing.
kyle dunnigan
How so?
joe rogan
We're controlling nature on a large scale in our own community, our own little yard.
We have a little spot and we lock it down.
We want that grass nice.
tim dillon
We want that grass nice and cut and clean.
joe rogan
It's a thing.
People sit back.
What is happening with grass?
When you see grass, why does it make you feel so good?
I don't play golf, but I feel good when I see a golf course.
I see all that green, like, oh, that's nice.
kyle dunnigan
I guess it is.
It's uniform.
You could walk on it.
There's no danger.
It's nice for your feet.
joe rogan
But it's also, you controlled that shit.
Like, men took that grass and bend it to their will.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that feels good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fuck you.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, fuck you.
joe rogan
Only grass.
Fuck you, trees.
kyle dunnigan
You ever go weeding?
Yeah, fuck trees.
joe rogan
People chop trees down.
Fuck off, tree.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't want you there.
kyle dunnigan
Is that the manless job of a lumberjack?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
How many chick lumberjacks are there?
kyle dunnigan
Three.
joe rogan
Those gotta be the toughest women on the planet.
Lumberjack chicks?
It's like female MMA fighters like Amanda Nunes and then lumberjack chicks.
kyle dunnigan
After the chainsaw, though, it's a little bit like...
joe rogan
It's still dangerous as fuck.
You gotta do it right.
Things go wrong all the time.
People get hit with trees.
kyle dunnigan
We've talked about everything I don't know anything about.
joe rogan
Me too.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
Maybe people never get hit by trees.
I'm pretty sure they do, though.
kyle dunnigan
I think it's actually pretty safe.
joe rogan
It turns out lumberjacks never die.
They live older than everybody.
No, I think they die all the time.
I think, well, if you see a fucking tree, like a big-ass oak tree, my god, that's a lot of weight.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
That thing could crush you so easy.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
If you fuck up and it takes a bounce and it hits somebody or, I mean, I don't know how you chop trees down.
But you're just dealing with so much weight.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I can imagine, like, if someone fucked...
Like, if you don't know what you're doing, you're an asshole, and you just bought a plot of land, I'm gonna be a farmer!
And you start fucking chopping down trees by yourself.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could kill yourself.
Easy.
kyle dunnigan
You gotta do the wedge.
I know what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
I don't know what I'm talking about either, but they do have a method to it.
But I wonder how many women...
That would be a crazy reality show.
They probably have already done it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Female lumberjacks.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they do that weird thing where they climb a pole real quick.
They do lumberjack contests.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember those.
kyle dunnigan
You run on a log.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, in the water, right?
kyle dunnigan
That comes up a lot when you're crossing a stream.
jamie vernon
That's a lumberjill lumberjack.
kyle dunnigan
Oh!
joe rogan
Is that what they call them?
jamie vernon
I just looked it up.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I don't need to be disrespectful.
I just talk a lot of shit.
kyle dunnigan
Not a lot of guys wanting the lumberjill...
Calendar.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
Right.
kyle dunnigan
Maybe.
unidentified
Lumberjack.
joe rogan
Oh, there they are.
Some big-ass women.
Big, strong women that'll fuck you up.
kyle dunnigan
You like a strong woman, Joe?
joe rogan
Hell yeah.
kyle dunnigan
A big, shouldered?
joe rogan
I don't want to check if you can't carry things.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
These are girls that are throwing axes and shit.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a tough stock.
If you wanted to make like a warrior child, you find one of them women.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they can get through a winter.
joe rogan
Hell yeah.
Yeah, they can walk to the road.
kyle dunnigan
Did you find a Lumberjill TV show?
joe rogan
I think he did.
See, we just took a guess and there's a fucking show about it.
kyle dunnigan
There's a show about everything.
You know, there's like a fun game you could play where, like, try to name and come up with an app that doesn't exist.
And it's actually going really hard.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
I would imagine there's a bunch of wizards, like really smart kids, sitting around trying to do that right now.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
I didn't take the picture with the sword.
Is that the end?
joe rogan
You can take a picture with a sword.
kyle dunnigan
Awesome.
And don't you have like this like whiskey you give everybody?
joe rogan
Do you want some whiskey?
kyle dunnigan
Is this too much?
unidentified
No.
kyle dunnigan
Sure.
joe rogan
No.
kyle dunnigan
Come on, Kyle.
A little bit.
joe rogan
I haven't seen you in forever, man.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
With the Comedy Store embargo, it's just beautiful to be in the room with you.
kyle dunnigan
I know.
It actually is really nice to be with humans.
It's fun!
joe rogan
Oh, it's so nice to be with comics.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doug Stanhope said this best, and I quote him all the time, but it really is a great quote.
He said, I could quit comedy, but I couldn't quit comics.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, that's nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
When I'm around normies?
joe rogan
Normies.
Yeah, normies.
kyle dunnigan
I started dating.
This was my big year to date.
I've been focusing on career stuff, whatever.
And I'm like, I'm gonna date in 2020. Wow.
This is my big year.
And then the COVID. Yeah.
But I got on apps and I met a couple of girls I was chatting with.
Bored out of my...
I mean, sweet, nice people.
But just when you don't know someone, it's not gonna have to do with them being a comic.
It's like, if you've never met them, you're not, you know, hooking up and having dinner or whatever.
Just to talk to a stranger on the phone about their cat, it's...
I had to end all that.
joe rogan
Some people don't know what it sounds like when they talk.
They just drone on.
And they don't seem to know.
And you're like, oh my god, you're killing me.
You're not even paying attention to that.
I can't take what you're saying.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, read the room.
joe rogan
You just blah blah blah blah.
Some people just have some shit in their head and they're gonna get it out.
They're gonna vomit it out onto your ears.
kyle dunnigan
It's abuse.
Does it feel like abuse?
joe rogan
It doesn't matter how long it takes.
unidentified
Yeah, it's all coming out.
joe rogan
And they're gonna repeat themselves, and they're gonna make a big deal out of shit that's not a big deal, and you're gonna want to run through a fucking wall.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you gotta listen to all that nonsense.
kyle dunnigan
Why is it so maddening?
It feels like your life is passing you by and you're dying.
joe rogan
Well, it is maddening, but the good thing is, what it really does, I'm a bright side of the, what is it?
What's that expression?
kyle dunnigan
The bright side of the coin, I believe it is.
joe rogan
That's not a real expression.
I mixed up my expressions.
The glasses came down.
I'm a glass half full person.
kyle dunnigan
The glass half full of coins.
joe rogan
I don't know.
kyle dunnigan
This is the good stuff, right?
joe rogan
This is the good stuff.
Buffalo Trace.
kyle dunnigan
Someone's got to put a little cap on me.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm so hot.
I forgot what we were talking about.
kyle dunnigan
No, I feel bad for any listener.
We want to make a public apology.
joe rogan
Yeah, already we fucked this thing up.
kyle dunnigan
We're both having trouble thinking.
To 2020. To 2021. The greatest year of all.
joe rogan
What do they call it?
A mulligan?
Those dudes who play golf?
kyle dunnigan
Oh, do you get another one?
joe rogan
What's a mulligan mean?
kyle dunnigan
You get a do-over.
joe rogan
Let's just scratch this whole year.
kyle dunnigan
That'd be great.
I like to toast to things people don't agree with.
Like at the last minute, they've already come in and you should be like, to 9-11!
And then you've already clinked.
joe rogan
How rude.
kyle dunnigan
I know.
joe rogan
I think there's going to be a lot of good that comes out of this year.
I really do.
kyle dunnigan
I like talking about positive stuff.
What are you thinking?
joe rogan
Well, I think people are realizing that society...
And civilization hangs on by a thread in some cases.
And when a series of events can happen, it can derail our life radically.
And I don't think people were really aware that that was possible before.
I think there's a lot of things going on.
There's a lot of competing mindsets and competing ideologies, and there's a lot of anger going on in the world right now.
And then there's this fucking fear that comes with a pandemic.
Pandemics ramp up everything.
This is how you have to think about it.
We're thinking about it as just a pandemic, but it's also there's a mind disease, like a fear disease that's sweeping through the land, too.
And I feel like your resources are being used up in so many different directions that it's like you're a little overrun.
It's one of the reasons why people are reacting so violently to things lately.
Everything is just ramped up.
And I feel like...
There's like a certain level of other things that you can tolerate in your life when you have so many things compounding and piling on top of each other.
It's like the reason why they say that people get road rage is because it's not just you're in a car and someone does something stupid, but your senses are heightened because you know you're going 60 miles an hour.
So you're very aware.
It's a very different feeling.
I didn't even consider that when I first heard about...
I thought road rage was just people being a pussy.
Like you're being mean while you're locked in this little box because you know nobody can say anything to you.
But it's not just that.
It's fear.
Because you're fucking driving fast and it's like if everybody fucks up, if someone's texting and they're going into your lane, you could die.
So because of that, because we have this in our head, it causes us to be like extra ramped up.
And I think that's how we are right now with everything.
Because of COVID, even if you don't have COVID, even if you're not worried about COVID, what it's done is it's made everybody ramp up.
So everybody's almost got road rage.
So everybody is like a little bit more stressed out than they've ever been before.
A little bit more ramped up and everything gets exaggerated and everything gets blown out.
And there's so many more instances Of scary things that you're being seen in the news, and so few instances of really nice things.
And it's like, fuck, what a weird combination of things to try to manage.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I've never raged before in my life.
Like, screamed and raged.
And then when this thing happened, it took me where I had a few times where I raged.
joe rogan
It's understandable.
It's totally understandable.
Yeah, but it's totally understandable.
I mean, we're all expected to manage our energy and our anxiety and we're expected to do it perfectly.
We're expected to be exactly who we were four or five months ago before all this shit happened.
I think that's crazy.
I think people are under like mad fucking weird stress that we've never experienced before.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
The economic stress, the stress of the virus, I think we just need to fucking make a collective global effort, a collected effort to just be nicer to each other.
I think it's possible.
I think we can realize that, yeah, look what can happen.
Look how sideways everything can get.
We just get lost and go in the woods.
Or, let's work together.
It's like, what do you want?
Don't you want nice neighbors?
I want nice neighbors.
So if I want nice neighbors, don't I want a whole nice city?
Don't I want a whole nice community?
Don't I want a whole nice country?
Why is that impossible?
kyle dunnigan
It feels like people aren't communicating well recently.
joe rogan
Or hearing each other.
I think some people are trying.
Some people are trying.
It's just that it's hard to do.
There's too much of our time is spent communicating on social media stuff.
It's too much time.
It's too one-dimensional and it's too frequent.
So it's too many interactions where you're not getting real Real human feedback.
You're not getting real love.
You're not getting real friendship.
You're talking just to the ether.
Like you're typing things into glass and you know on the other end someone's gonna interpret it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just the worst way to communicate and that's most of what people are doing today.
So the most ineffective, unemotional, unconnecting way to communicate is the most common.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
And that's why we're acting like fucking nuts.
That's part of it.
kyle dunnigan
Do you think we can back off that?
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
How do you back off that?
joe rogan
Gotta get a flip phone.
kyle dunnigan
That's been the problem the whole time.
joe rogan
Flip phones just have to get better text recognition software or voice-to-text recognition software so you can just talk your messages into a flip phone.
So all anybody can do is text you and call you.
Just leave me off of everything else.
kyle dunnigan
Group text.
joe rogan
People are just too worked up.
They're too worked up about everything.
Some things they should be worked up about, but the problem is there's no balance.
Because it's almost all the stuff that they're angry about, because that's what they want to text and tweet and Facebook about, and very little of the stuff.
Like, what's the ratio of, like, really cool stories that make you feel good to, like, another horror in the news?
What's the ratio?
kyle dunnigan
90-something to one.
joe rogan
90-something to one.
There's a new one.
There's a cloud of dust that's coming from Africa across the fucking ocean.
It's gonna wipe us out.
unidentified
Really?
kyle dunnigan
This year is like the devil scripted this entire year.
What does this do?
joe rogan
African dust.
I don't know, man.
I didn't know dust could fly that far, all the way across the ocean.
Isn't that crazy?
kyle dunnigan
Where is it right now?
joe rogan
We're at DEFCON 5 or some shit.
kyle dunnigan
What happens?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I just read it.
I was like, oh my god.
And they said Yellowstone's ready to blow.
kyle dunnigan
That scares me the most.
joe rogan
The most!
The most!
We're pretending.
We're over here pretending that this is all permanent.
jamie vernon
It happens a few times a year.
joe rogan
Does it really?
jamie vernon
It's fairly common.
kyle dunnigan
But what does it do?
joe rogan
Is this blown out of proportion for the news?
jamie vernon
I think just the headline sounds crazy.
joe rogan
The headline sounds terrible.
jamie vernon
The one I found says it's a silver lining, so it's actually kind of maybe a good thing.
It signifies a very dry layer in the atmosphere.
And hurricanes don't like dry air.
So why protect against hurricanes?
joe rogan
Oh, well that's good.
kyle dunnigan
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, see?
We jumped the gun.
kyle dunnigan
That was a great story.
joe rogan
How about that?
How about hurricanes?
How about the fact that every fucking year the sky becomes a monster and eats people?
It fucking throws cars through the air and shit.
Every year it happens.
kyle dunnigan
And it's getting worse, right?
And the fire's getting worse, right?
joe rogan
See, they say that, and it makes sense that it's getting worse.
And this is not an excuse for, like, the carbon emissions.
jamie vernon
This makes it sound way worse.
joe rogan
Oh my god, an enormous cloud of dust from Africa, Sahara, appears to be heading for Texas, Louisiana, and Florida.
It's like it's a missile.
jamie vernon
And then they show a dust storm, like, taking over a city.
joe rogan
Oh my god, is that really what it was like?
jamie vernon
I don't think so.
I mean, that's not what the other article I just read.
joe rogan
Show that video, though.
What does it say?
Massive dust storm turns the sky red in Sundanese capital.
jamie vernon
Somewhere way far away from that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, man, look at that.
kyle dunnigan
That was in Mission Impossible 4, I think.
joe rogan
Was it?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, he was on that sky rise.
joe rogan
He got caught in the dust storm?
kyle dunnigan
And that was coming, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, imagine living there and seeing that coming.
You're like, oh my god, I'm gonna be breathing dirt for the next hour.
Like, how long does it last?
How long does a dust storm last?
Do you imagine living there, man?
You gotta go to the grocery store, and you're literally walking through a dust storm, so you're dressed like one of them dudes from Lord of the Rings.
kyle dunnigan
Right, right.
joe rogan
You dress fucking scarves across your face.
No, the guys in Star Wars.
What are they called?
No, the ones who lived in the dirt, in the sand people.
kyle dunnigan
Sand people, yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that was their name.
kyle dunnigan
There's also the little ones.
You talking about the little ones?
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a bunch of them.
kyle dunnigan
Those were the...
Ah, damn it.
joe rogan
But those sand people.
kyle dunnigan
No, Ewoks were the fluffy ones.
joe rogan
But who were the sand people?
unidentified
The Tusken Raiders.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe that's it.
The Tusken Raiders.
I think that's it.
kyle dunnigan
They're called Jawas.
They're called Jawas.
joe rogan
Are they?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
That sounds right.
kyle dunnigan
I'm going to go with Jawa.
joe rogan
I believe you.
kyle dunnigan
I think we should do a whole podcast of things we kind of know about.
joe rogan
We're already doing it.
We're already doing it.
I don't think, man, I mean, look, there's no way that the weather just stays the same.
It doesn't stay the same.
It's never stayed the same.
kyle dunnigan
It doesn't, but we have to listen to climatologists.
joe rogan
100%.
Yeah, 100%.
kyle dunnigan
I don't know why it drives me nuts, but I just...
joe rogan
But this is my point of view, legitimately.
We have a bigger concern.
One of the bigger concerns is we're not prepared if anything goes sideways.
And that's what we're finding from this COVID thing.
We're not really prepared if things go sideways.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we definitely should be protecting against the human impact on the climate change.
It's real.
We really have fucked up the earth.
However, even if we didn't fuck it up, this place is so unstable.
Even if it wasn't us, the asteroids, the hurricanes that just exist and have always existed, earthquakes.
We just don't live long enough to see enough of these to be scared of them.
Because our lives are so fucking short.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the life of the earth is so long that all these tectonic plates...
Like, when we go to a mountain, like, wow, that's really pretty.
Look what happened.
It's alive!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And things moving right now.
There's lava under it.
kyle dunnigan
If you saw, like, 10,000 years a second, you would just see the whole earth.
joe rogan
Just boom, moving.
Oceans come in and out.
And it's constantly doing that.
It's always done that.
We definitely should stop fucking up the world that we're living in.
The world that we exist in.
But even if we didn't, this is so dangerous.
This whole place is covered with predators.
We are just super lucky we killed most of them off and boxed ourselves away.
And some people forgot.
Except for those pigs.
kyle dunnigan
We've got to figure out that asteroid.
We're not looking at enough for the sky.
I think we're looking at 3%.
joe rogan
Dude, and you get different answers from different folks when you ask them how long it would take before they could deflect something.
I think Neil deGrasse Tyson, what did he say, 10 years?
jamie vernon
Do you remember?
You gotta figure out how you're gonna do it.
joe rogan
Jesus Luizus, bro.
kyle dunnigan
Jesus Luizus.
If it's too big, there's nothing you can do.
joe rogan
If it's too big, there's nothing you can do.
kyle dunnigan
But I... I don't know.
We could get a...
You have one week to live.
Just could come on the news today.
We just saw this asteroid.
jamie vernon
They said the Mayan calendar is supposed to technically end next week.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ!
kyle dunnigan
That thing always comes up, though, and it's never anything.
You know what shocks me is when you have the leader of a cult, and they have doomsday, and they have the date and the time, and they all go outside, and they sing, and it doesn't happen, and then that guy convinces them to stay, and he goes, no, it's a different day.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
And they all just...
joe rogan
There was a guy who was taking out billboards.
There was a billboard in Woodland Hills on Ventura Boulevard, and it had this fucking billboard, and he had a bunch of them all over the place.
But it had this billboard that showed the very day the Earth was going to end.
It was like it had a date on it.
kyle dunnigan
Do you remember it?
joe rogan
I want to say it was somewhere around April or May.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, not sure.
joe rogan
Scientist says, reading Mayan calendar predicts end of the world this week.
jamie vernon
The 21st is what they said.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Whatever.
kyle dunnigan
That's horseshit.
joe rogan
That's the New York Post, bro.
kyle dunnigan
I'm listening a little bit.
unidentified
They're trolling you.
joe rogan
The Post is trolling you, son.
kyle dunnigan
I like that we listen to people who just put leeches on people to cure them.
jamie vernon
Yeah, according to the sun, actually.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
unidentified
Oh, the sun.
joe rogan
They did have a weird culture.
The Mayans had a weird culture.
kyle dunnigan
I don't know much about it.
I know the temple.
Didn't they kill virgins?
joe rogan
I don't think they killed – well, who knows?
kyle dunnigan
This is great.
I don't know about this topic.
joe rogan
I don't know if they really know what exact people they killed.
They killed a lot of people.
But what's really interesting is how beautiful their structures were, like these amazing structures.
kyle dunnigan
I thought one of – their pyramid, like those big steps.
I thought one of them was for murder for their crops.
joe rogan
They've speculated that there were certain platforms that they would do sacrifices on.
The Aztecs did, I think, the most sacrifices in one day, or it was like a couple of days.
They killed somewhere around, I want to say more than 80,000 people they sacrificed when they completed one of the temples.
kyle dunnigan
How do you kill that many people?
Did they bury them or something?
joe rogan
They just killed them one after another.
kyle dunnigan
That takes a long time.
joe rogan
The victims of human sacrifice by Mexico's ancient Mayans who threw children into water-filled caverns were likely boys and young men, not virgin girls, as previously believed.
So, wow, they would human sacrifice by throwing children into water-filled caverns.
kyle dunnigan
I could see how they could help, though, your crop.
joe rogan
Can you imagine that, though?
Like, you believe in superstition so much, you want to drown a kid so that the crops come back.
kyle dunnigan
That's a sign you, people feeling out of control, they don't know the answers to something, they can't figure out.
joe rogan
But how crazy do the people in almost all religions, especially the ancient ones, they lean towards these really ridiculous things like that.
Whose sacrifice...
kyle dunnigan
First brings that up, like, what if we do this?
Kill our kids.
joe rogan
Yeah, make a sacrifice, like Cain and Abel, right?
kyle dunnigan
And if your God wanted that, your God wanted you to kill your children, That's a horrible god that you're...
joe rogan
Or how about your god tells you to kill somebody when you're about to.
He says, no, stop.
I was just testing you.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that's a fucked up story.
I mean, that is...
People don't...
People act like that's a normal story.
joe rogan
That's the God that makes the universe told you to murder somebody and since you said yes, you did the right thing by saying yes because you have to trust God even if God tells you something that you can't imagine is real.
kyle dunnigan
Right, even if you didn't know in your gut it's wrong to murder your kid.
joe rogan
You have to murder your kid because God's telling you to.
And you were about to and you're like, okay good.
I was just checking bro.
kyle dunnigan
I like you now.
joe rogan
I was just checking bro.
unidentified
That's the biggest bully asshole.
joe rogan
Metzger is actually a religious genius.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
He knows a lot about religion and he was explaining to me the story of...
He gave me a much better understanding of the story where I think his name's Elisha.
These kids were yelling at him and they called him bald head.
He's a bald guy.
And so he asked God to sick a she-bear on the kids and it killed like 40 kids.
kyle dunnigan
A she-bear.
joe rogan
I wish I could remember exactly what Metzger, how he explained it to me.
But the insult was much worse than just calling him baldhead.
You just have to put it into perspective with the time.
Like the way he was saying it to him was much worse than we would imagine the term would be.
We're looking at it in terms of modern language.
But still, the guy god-sicked a bear on these fucking kids.
I think Mesker was saying that it might have meant that they actually were trying to kill the man.
Yeah, from there, Elisha went to Bethel.
As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him, get out here, Baldy.
They said, get out of here, Baldy.
He turned around and looked at the, okay, the curse.
I think that's a real weird translation.
I don't think that's the best translation.
The way I've heard it before is not written exactly that way.
They have more than one translation?
jamie vernon
Yeah, tons of translations.
joe rogan
He turned around, looked at them, and called down a curse on them.
In the name of the Lord, the two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the boys.
kyle dunnigan
I got a bear story.
joe rogan
It seemed...
When I heard it before...
God, maybe I'm wrong, but it felt like it was...
In the ancient way of saying it.
And that was what Metzger explained to me.
See if there's another way of putting the words together that Metzger was saying they were going to kill him.
jamie vernon
This is a version that has tons of translations of it.
Holy shit.
There's lots of versions.
joe rogan
Unless they were trying to kill the guy.
Maybe we're looking at it wrong and they were actually trying to kill the guy.
And I think that's one of the things that Metzger was trying to say.
Like they were threatening violence to the guy.
kyle dunnigan
He sent a bear.
joe rogan
I think two bears.
Does it say two bears?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
It says two female bears, two she bears.
joe rogan
Dude.
kyle dunnigan
Imagine.
joe rogan
Call a dude a baldy and he's six bears on you.
kyle dunnigan
Don't fuck with him again.
joe rogan
That's rude.
kyle dunnigan
I was in a tent in the woods.
Yosemite.
And I was with this girl, you know, I was dating.
And before we packed up, the ranger guy was like, hey, don't have any food anywhere tied up in a tree.
There's bears.
They're coming out of their hibernation and they're hungry.
Don't you have a gum in your pocket?
You know, it really scared us.
We were the little group and we were kind of laughing that night.
Like, whatever.
Like, bear!
And just trying to scare everybody.
joe rogan
It's a horror movie.
kyle dunnigan
It is.
unidentified
It is.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
People about to get murdered are always giggling about something.
So we're in the tent, and about an hour into sleep, I had brought a knife in my, you know, tent.
This fist-sized snout pushes into the tent, puffs her head.
Like, her head went...
Then it comes over to my head, puffs my head.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
kyle dunnigan
And I had the thought, oh, this is what terror feels like.
Because I'd never felt the emotion before.
I'd never actually been terrified to that moment.
And we just held each other's hands like really hard and just you did everything not to breathe for two hours.
Just making the smallest amount of air come in your body.
joe rogan
I have a theory about that.
I think bears are figuring out that there's meat in those bags.
I think they figured out that there's...
kyle dunnigan
Meat bags.
joe rogan
Just like they find, like when bears go to garbage cans, you can't scare them off.
They're always going to keep coming back to that garbage can.
Once they go to the garbage can, they become a problem.
They have to kidnap them and move them to some sanctuary somewhere.
Otherwise, they'd have to euthanize them.
Because once they know where something is, they keep going back.
Bears that have killed people in tents...
kyle dunnigan
They keep coming back?
joe rogan
They keep coming back to tents.
I've heard of more than one different story about a predatory black bear attacking people in a tent.
And I think there's less deer in the place.
If there's been a bad climate, there's not enough food.
kyle dunnigan
Why don't they attack us more?
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Because we have guns.
That's the only reason why.
And in places where people don't hunt bears, they have way less fear of people.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, I think they would want to get us for food immediately.
Like, oh, there's some food.
joe rogan
They don't know exactly what we are.
We're not a part of their natural world.
We only occur every now and then.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you run into a grizzly bear in Alaska, you might be the first person that grizzly bear has ever seen.
They might not have any idea what you are.
So it's been alive for nine years.
It's never seen a person.
That's totally possible.
kyle dunnigan
You saw a grizzly man, right?
joe rogan
Yes, I did.
It's one of the best comedies that wasn't supposed to be a comedy ever.
kyle dunnigan
It is so funny.
It's wall-to-wall laughs.
That scene where he's at the lake and the bears walk up to him and he's going, no!
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Bad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Someone told me, I don't know if this is true, but the bears could sense there was something wrong with him.
That's why they didn't eat him earlier.
They thought he was like, he had some sort of mental disease.
joe rogan
I don't think those bears up there are that aggressive because there's so much fish.
And I think when the fish runs dry, that's when they get real dangerous.
He went and he was there long after they were supposed to be in hibernation.
So the one bear that killed him was really hungry.
It hadn't eaten enough food.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it looked at anything and like he was just gonna eat everything that was in front of it.
So it found him and killed him.
So they were saying you should never be around when those bears are in hibernation.
If you find one that should be in hibernation and it's not, that's a desperate bear.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Dude, fuck that.
That whole movie is just fuck that.
Like why are you doing that?
Why are you camping where you know the bears walk?
kyle dunnigan
And he's not saving any bears.
unidentified
I'm saving these bears.
joe rogan
He was so crazy.
You sons of bitches, where are you?
kyle dunnigan
Where are you?
Tiger King.
joe rogan
He was.
He was.
kyle dunnigan
Very similar type.
joe rogan
If he got together with Tiger King...
kyle dunnigan
That'd be a great show.
joe rogan
Well, you know what's similar about it?
There's something about weird guys that get really connected to murderous animals.
kyle dunnigan
There's some sexual...
joe rogan
Yeah, some weird shit.
Whether it's a tiger or a grizzly bear.
I'm here protecting them!
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, this dude is in Alaska, in a paper house, right?
He's got a house made out of cloth.
And he's laying on top of the ground every night protecting these fucking 1,200 pound wild dog things.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
And he almost got the role of Woody in...
That's the only thing I remember.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Which is not true.
joe rogan
It's not true.
No, he's a crazy person.
But he's also a crazy person that found a venue for his crazy that he did some good too.
And here's one thing that he did that's good, and I'm not being facetious.
That movie's brilliant.
It's an amazing piece of entertainment.
Through that movie, millions of people have been entertained.
I don't think he would have been able to do that without that movie.
kyle dunnigan
Absolutely not.
It was funnier than Cheers.
joe rogan
It was fucking great!
In that guy's dying that way, it's a tragic story.
It's a lesson to be learned.
And it's also hilarious.
He did it on purpose.
Werner Herzog's a really smart guy.
He made that thing funny on purpose.
kyle dunnigan
You think so?
joe rogan
When that sheriff looks at the camera and goes, I thought he was retarded.
Tell me that wasn't like a scene in a fucking, you know, a Coen Brothers movie.
kyle dunnigan
And he has that tape.
Remember he dangled that tape in front of the poor guy's mother?
He was like, oh, you don't want to listen to this.
He kept telling her that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that was crazy.
When they played, there's an audio, apparently, of the death.
It's not available online because Werner Herzog told them to destroy it, and I think he's probably right.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I don't hear that.
joe rogan
But it's long, man.
The bear is eating them.
They eat them alive.
kyle dunnigan
That's maybe the worst way to go.
Maybe fire.
joe rogan
The problem with a bear eating you alive is I think it takes a long time.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're not going to kill you.
Like a tiger would just kill you quick.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they grab your neck, right?
joe rogan
Bears start eating you from your feet down.
You know, they don't give a fuck.
They just start tearing your fucking crotch apart while you're alive.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that and...
joe rogan
Dude, do you understand what that would be like to watch a bear eat you dick first?
kyle dunnigan
Dick first, do you think?
joe rogan
Dick first.
A bear just right at your crotch.
A big fucking giant bear head clamped down on your dick and your asshole.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
And you're going, no!
And that's how you die.
A lot of people have died that way, man.
I guarantee you, how many people got attacked dick first by giant grizzly bears over the course of the last 20,000 years?
I bet it would be a staggering number.
kyle dunnigan
It would be a shocking number.
It would surprise you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He'd be like, why are we keeping these things around?
That's one thing California did that's really wise.
They exterminated all the grizzly bears.
kyle dunnigan
Is that right?
unidentified
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
It's on the flag.
Grizzly bear's on the flag.
There's no grizzly bears here.
kyle dunnigan
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
They're like, fuck you.
kyle dunnigan
Hey.
joe rogan
You keep eating us.
kyle dunnigan
Hey.
Are you a big camp?
Do you go camping?
joe rogan
No, I have.
I like rooftop camps.
Like where you could camp on the rooftop.
They have rooftop tents.
I have a roof rack on my Land Cruiser.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, on top of your car?
joe rogan
Yep.
Climb up the ladder.
kyle dunnigan
I want to get that.
joe rogan
That way you're camping, but things aren't just going to fucking crawl up on you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
kyle dunnigan
I want to get that Cybertruck because that is a great camping situation.
joe rogan
Plus, you look like you're in the future.
Fucking camping in that thing.
That's some Blade Runner shit.
kyle dunnigan
I love my car in a way that I've never liked something I've bought before.
joe rogan
It feels like it's another thing, right?
Like it's way better than a car.
kyle dunnigan
It is, and it's learning and getting better, and it feels like a child growing up and helping.
joe rogan
Yeah, you keep getting these new updates.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, it's like Christmas.
joe rogan
It drives itself.
It just drives itself.
kyle dunnigan
It's amazing, because I bought mine in 2018. And how it's gotten so much better.
I mean, they're solving vision, which I think should be bigger news than what it is.
And the way they're doing it is brilliant.
They have...
People paid the money for them to send out all these fleets, and they get all the data, which is what they need.
Tons and tons of data.
And they see stoplights and stop signs now.
I kind of watched a video on how they did this, and it's...
They send out to the fleet, like, hey, send us all your stop signs.
And they all come back...
To this one place, and it learns.
And I got a stop sign near my house, and just a little piece is showing.
It's covered by bushes, but the car recognizes it.
joe rogan
Dude.
And that's his side job.
That's his side job.
kyle dunnigan
He is the coolest person ever.
unidentified
Ever.
kyle dunnigan
On paper.
joe rogan
On paper.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, in person, you know, he's...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think Nikola Tesla is probably the most important inventor of all time, but Nikola Tesla, I don't think you would think he's cool.
You know, he was just a genius, and he was in love with a pigeon.
Like, he was really crazy.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, he got really crazy.
joe rogan
He was a really crazy guy, but brilliant, but had ideas.
Elon is like, cool, you can hang out with him.
unidentified
It's super cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
He was here smoking one of these.
joe rogan
He got in trouble for about 24 hours and then they made money.
They bounced back.
They lost 6% in his day.
kyle dunnigan
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it came back 9% the next day.
And I'm like, yeah, people are crazy.
kyle dunnigan
He's the greatest CEO. He's always in the news.
joe rogan
But the fact that the Tesla thing is like his side gig is what's most ridiculous.
kyle dunnigan
He is the coolest person ever.
In the history.
Also, very important.
He's doing very important things.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, man.
We would be so far behind if it wasn't for one guy.
What would the electric car market look like today if it wasn't for one guy?
kyle dunnigan
Oh, right.
And they tried to kill...
I mean, you just...
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, it still happens.
You get the worst news.
Every car crash, Tesla crash on the news.
And when there was fires, which there are anymore, and there was only like a few, everyone was front page and people thought, don't those cars blow up?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
kyle dunnigan
It's like, you know how many gasoline cars, fires there were that year?
Yeah.
Anyway, I just get, the fact that they made such, he made such an amazing car and got past all the bullshit that was coming at him to destroy it.
joe rogan
He just doesn't listen.
unidentified
He's like, I'm smarter than you, so he just keeps going.
joe rogan
He knows what he's doing, and he's been right so far.
We're fucking lucky that guy's around, man.
kyle dunnigan
I don't like people to give him shit.
I mean, they should be promoting and hiding the fires.
The guy ahead of the board that looks into crashes.
I sound like an idiot.
What's the name of that board?
Anyway.
You would think you'd go, oh, I've got this car that's 15 times safer than all my other cars.
Let's help this company out.
But every – I think they investigate 500 crashes a year, this department.
Every Tesla crash they investigate.
He's just on him.
And I understand you have to in a way with the self-driving.
You have to.
But they've not been reckless about that.
joe rogan
Well, there's some accidents, though, that are very troubling.
One of them was a guy slams right into the side of a truck.
unidentified
Oh, I saw that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that one didn't even make any sense.
That one was like, how does it not know there's a truck in the road?
Or does it not know what to do when a truck is in the road?
Like, what happens?
Like, a truck tips over, what do we do?
You don't know what to do?
Why are you driving?
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
Like, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
Like, it's not ready for you to drive yet if it doesn't know where a truck is.
kyle dunnigan
But you are supposed to pay attention.
joe rogan
Yes, you are.
kyle dunnigan
It isn't self-driving yet.
joe rogan
I think people text and fucking email and shit.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
kyle dunnigan
I've dozed.
joe rogan
It's not good.
unidentified
No!
kyle dunnigan
Long drive.
I went to Phoenix.
joe rogan
It's so bad, dude.
unidentified
It's so bad.
kyle dunnigan
I had a seven-hour drive and I was like...
But I pulled over.
But that car, it's easy to pay attention.
joe rogan
Well, it's just a different kind of thing.
It's like you think of what a car is.
You think of an engine, and it pumps gas, and you're driving around in it.
That thing is like an electronic vehicle.
It's not a car.
It doesn't make any noise.
kyle dunnigan
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It looks just like a car, but where's your engine?
It's like, where's the rumble?
Where's the stinky gas?
It doesn't have any of those things.
It's silent.
kyle dunnigan
That's what I noticed.
When you look back at horses, we're like, how do people stand the stink of shit in New York City?
But then when you get an electric car, you go, oh, those other ones, that was poison.
I just got used to it.
And I was like, oh, that's what they have.
joe rogan
Yeah, when people just rode horses, this must have smelled terrible.
Everywhere, just horse shit everywhere.
It'd be like, yeah, I mean, really, right?
They'd shit all over the place.
If everybody was on a horse?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
But we've got to get with the new technology, because...
Them trying to save coal jobs, I get it, and that's a really tough thing, but we better off training.
It's like them trying to save the horseshoe guys' business.
We're not going that way.
joe rogan
Do you know the whole learn-to-code fiasco online?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Well, someone was talking about coal miners and what they could do if they stopped mining coal.
And someone had said, learn to code.
And then learn to code somehow, I'm probably fucking this up, but became like a bad thing that you couldn't say on Twitter.
Like an insulting thing that would get you banned from Twitter.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because learn to code was some sort of an insult.
It became some sort of an insult or mocking this idea that these people...
So you can't...
I mean, it seems like the most innocuous of sentences.
Learn to code.
Is there anything wrong with learning?
No.
Is there anything wrong with learning code?
No, there's not.
So how come I can't say learn to code?
I can't say it because at one point in time it was used to describe this one thing.
Now it can kind of become funny.
kyle dunnigan
Learn to code.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I don't, yeah, I don't understand why that's bad.
It seems like good advice.
joe rogan
It seems like good advice, always, but maybe it's mean to say to these coal miners they should learn to code.
I get that.
But you could also use that in a lot of different ways.
Once someone said, learn to code, and it sounds good, that's not limited to that one meaning.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
You could say it as a friend, like, as a joke.
Like, learn to code.
And you're not being an asshole.
Like, your friend is like, oh, my fucking job is so annoying.
And you're like, learn to code.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you get kicked off Twitter?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they took the whole phrase by one person saying it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Now that phrase is locked up.
I mean, it's an unusual phrase.
I use it a lot.
Learn to code.
Why can't you say it?
kyle dunnigan
I don't know, but I love Teslas.
joe rogan
There's just too many breaks being put on what people can and can't say.
I don't know how much of this is legit, because I know that...
unidentified
Google...
joe rogan
What is exactly the reason why the Federalist...
And there was another thing that was...
Explain how that worked, Jamie.
How they were pulled down.
jamie vernon
They had an issue, it says, with their AdSense.
So that's what Google controls is AdSense.
joe rogan
Right.
The money that you make off of your website clicks, right?
unidentified
Right.
jamie vernon
So there was an issue with...
It says...
Zero Hedge and Federalist both had comment pages, I guess, that had AdSense on it.
And there was threats of having it taken away from them.
And this article says that the Federalist bends the knee to Big Tech and deletes its awful comment section.
So I was trying to read through it to see.
joe rogan
It goes back to what we were talking about earlier.
It's the worst way to talk to people.
Just through text or comments.
It's a perfect example.
Comments section on a website are an example of why typing something out in print is the absolute worst way to communicate with people.
How many times do you think that you could have had a disagreement with someone?
Through text messages, but in person, you could have come to an agreement pretty easily.
kyle dunnigan
All the time.
I've run into that problem.
I now know not to text if it's anything that could be taken as a call.
FaceTime's even better, just to see their face.
joe rogan
FaceTime's good.
A lot of the kids are doing the FaceTime these days.
They just FaceTime you out of the blue.
That's what a lot of people do now.
I'm like, okay, this is what we're doing.
kyle dunnigan
I feel very aggressive when someone FaceTimes me.
joe rogan
It is, but some guys like it.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Now with this COVID, I'm getting way more used to it because of all the Zooming I'm doing.
joe rogan
That's the worry, though.
The worry is that this separates people even more from the emotional contact that we get, the emotional interaction we get from an actual human being.
We get more and more douchey.
kyle dunnigan
What is...
What do you get extra?
Because I don't know the answer to this.
I'm Zooming with you, or I'm here now with you.
What am I getting extra?
Besides the whiskey and...
joe rogan
Being in person, it's a different feeling.
Like, I know you're right there.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, high five.
There you are.
We're right there.
That's different.
I don't think you can get COVID from contact anymore, contacting services.
I think someone has a spit in your face.
kyle dunnigan
I lost my caring about any of this, COVID. In the beginning, I really did care, and I was really scared, and I bought into it.
And then I just hit a thing where...
joe rogan
You called it care fatigue.
kyle dunnigan
Care fatigue, I got.
Is there a word for that?
unidentified
There should be.
joe rogan
I think what you just invented it.
kyle dunnigan
That'd be cool if I needed a saying.
joe rogan
I think it's care fatigue.
Is that a thing?
It's probably already...
Look, we found the female lumberjack was already a thing.
This is probably already a thing, too.
kyle dunnigan
I'm going to make care fatigue t-shirts.
jamie vernon
There's an article called Compassion Fatigue, and there's a compassion fatigue of wearing...
kyle dunnigan
That's different.
That's different.
My thing's different.
joe rogan
But compassion fatigue makes sense, too, because most people, you know, they don't have so much to give to other folks.
unidentified
They're busy.
kyle dunnigan
Like Kristen Bell, people in the video, it's like...
They really are putting themselves out there and getting really crushed.
And if I were them, after the first text I did that I got blowback, I would be out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think that world, the world of actors and actresses, I think it's very difficult for them to gauge how other people view someone who's really famous who does something like that.
Like, you have to understand, I don't think they thought about skepticism.
I don't think they thought about people looking at it very cynically.
I don't think they considered that.
I think they only thought, like, they probably talked to their friends, like, we're gonna make a difference.
We're gonna make a difference with this video.
And their friends are like, you're amazing.
You're so powerful.
If anyone can make a difference, it's you, girl.
kyle dunnigan
You have the platform.
joe rogan
Use it.
Boom.
Next thing you know, they're making this video and they're calling their friends.
Just like the one with Gal Gadot.
Same thing.
You call your friends.
We got this.
We got this.
We're going to cure this.
People are fucking dropping like flies in Italy.
unidentified
Just falling off balconies and shit.
joe rogan
Imagine there's no heaven.
kyle dunnigan
That one.
I also feel bad in a way because if your friend asks you to do something, it's hard to say no sometimes.
joe rogan
You got to say no and you got to tell them, this is how I would make fun of you.
You gotta realize what you're doing is crazy.
I understand that the sentiment behind it is great.
kyle dunnigan
Yes.
joe rogan
They all mean well.
They all mean well.
And for white people when it comes to stuff like that, look, all white people feel guilty for something.
They just do.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because black people used to be slaves.
So just that, just that alone, if you did not come from that, there's some sort of guilt that you're connected to the ancestors that enslaved those people.
There's something in the back of your head.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you're from old family, like if your family's been in this country for fucking since the 1500s or some shit, like for sure your family had something to do with slavery.
For sure.
kyle dunnigan
The White Guild is real.
And it's getting pumped up right now.
I mean there's videos of – there's a video of a guy and he just was joking around.
It's a black guy.
He goes, kneel before me and prays like – and she's like kneeling and it's – Yeah, there's a bunch of those videos.
joe rogan
There's videos of these people kissing this black dude's feet.
unidentified
I don't think this is good for black people.
kyle dunnigan
You know what I mean?
Like, what is this?
joe rogan
It's fine.
If it's just kissing feet and kneeling, we're fine.
unidentified
Is it?
kyle dunnigan
I'm not smart.
Is it good?
I think it's great that white people are marching with them and that seems good.
joe rogan
This is what it is, man.
Society and people, we're getting better.
But we get better like this.
kyle dunnigan
Oh yeah, the pendulum.
joe rogan
We get better in waves.
It goes this way and it comes back.
And right now we're in a crazy period.
But ultimately, I think what's going to come out of it is way less racism.
We're hitting a new stage of no racism.
People are always gonna judge people.
They're gonna judge people on everything.
They're gonna judge people based on the language you speak, where you're from, whether you're short or tall or fat or skinny.
People just judge people.
They're always gonna judge people.
But it will become more and more taboo and more and more disgusting to people if you judge people on race now.
It's like a new blip in the consciousness.
It's a more disgusting crime to actually judge people and limit who you think their potential as a human being because they're from Southeast Asia or they're from Mexico or they're from...
That's going to become a disgusting trait.
kyle dunnigan
Something good can come out of this.
Something good will come out of this.
joe rogan
It's always been a disgusting trait, but it's going to reach a new level of it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, not tolerated.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're always going to have some racists.
You're always going to have some murderers.
You're always going to have some bank thieves.
They're always going to exist.
It's like, but how do you make it better for everybody?
kyle dunnigan
You just got to defund that police job.
That's all I got to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the best thing.
But it's happening right now.
People are getting...
I really believe this.
The positive side of me says, I really feel like we're going to come out of this on the other end friendlier to each other.
And we can do that.
It's 100% possible.
kyle dunnigan
Good.
joe rogan
This can be a good thing.
The horrors of all this can make us appreciate that things can go sideways.
So the folks who have fortunately survived, we can do better.
kyle dunnigan
We've got to survive that pendulum swing.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
Like the Al Franken, the Me Too Al Franken.
joe rogan
That was a weird one.
kyle dunnigan
Went a little too far in that swing, in my opinion.
joe rogan
Oh, that was a weird one.
I mean, the worst thing he was accused of is the way he held a woman while he was taking a photo with her.
And then there was the girl who was on the plane with him, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Leanne Tweeden.
That's her name, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
Let's go with Leanne Tweeden.
joe rogan
I'm so high.
kyle dunnigan
I can't believe my fucked up name.
I'm not high at all.
I have no excuse.
joe rogan
She's got the best...
She's got the best case.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, what is her case?
joe rogan
Hers is different.
Like, there's a photo of him.
Look at that photo.
His hands over her breasts while she's sleeping.
Like, come on, man.
If that was your girlfriend.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, no, that is...
joe rogan
But that's when he was a comic.
He did something stupid.
kyle dunnigan
They were on a comedy tour.
joe rogan
Yes, they were on a comedy tour.
He did something stupid.
kyle dunnigan
And I'm not defending, but she's wearing a flack jacket.
joe rogan
Yes, and he's not touching her, but he's pretending he is.
Maybe he thought it was funny.
Maybe she didn't.
I get it.
It's not a good look.
It's not a good look.
I don't think he's an evil person.
kyle dunnigan
Not that he got fired.
He resigned under pressure.
I think he's just a smart guy.
I don't know.
joe rogan
He got caught up in that wave.
And I think that can happen to folks.
kyle dunnigan
I think Sheevan was like, I didn't want him to resign.
I should stop talking.
I'm saying things.
joe rogan
You didn't want who to resign?
Did you say Sheeva?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, she didn't want Shiva to resign.
She didn't want him to lose his job over that.
I think she came out and said.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think she did either.
kyle dunnigan
Again, no information.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's, you know...
There's way worse people out there.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's fucked up when you hear about a guy like Harvey Weinstein, right?
And you realize, like, wow, just the sheer numbers of people he fucked with.
There are really people like that out there.
kyle dunnigan
Cosby.
joe rogan
Cosby.
kyle dunnigan
One of the greatest comedians and even better rapist.
In terms of all time.
Like, they got the years.
joe rogan
See, anybody who says that there's nothing ever funny about rape didn't hear that.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because that was funny.
And you're not trying to be mean.
kyle dunnigan
No, I probably will get in trouble, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, you probably will.
Yeah, but it was funny.
And most people are reasonable, and they're going to understand what we're doing here.
kyle dunnigan
I can't get canceled.
But, and that's not true, you can retro get canceled.
If you get, like, a job on a show, then they come back.
joe rogan
They come back and read your 2004 tweets.
kyle dunnigan
Remember you said rape was great on Joe Rogan's mind?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's exactly it.
kyle dunnigan
And I have to say I'm sorry.
joe rogan
And the goalposts keep getting moved, like things that you could say readily.
One of the things I've been doing is I've been watching a lot of Adam Sandler movies.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
It's funny.
joe rogan
Oh my god, man.
Some of them are so funny.
Zohan is one of the funniest fucking movies ever.
But wildly inappropriate.
And just even then, the things that you can get away with saying then, you can't do now.
kyle dunnigan
No.
joe rogan
And Rob Schneider in Adam Sandler's movies, he would play a bunch of different races.
He played Asian guys.
He played all kinds of weird dudes.
You barely can do that today.
kyle dunnigan
Do you think ever again will it swing back where people go, yeah, you can do other...
joe rogan
Blackface is fine.
kyle dunnigan
Blackface will never be fine?
joe rogan
Never be fine.
But he apparently was.
kyle dunnigan
It was not...
In the 80s, 90s, it was like not...
joe rogan
Not that big a deal.
kyle dunnigan
You didn't think like, oh my God, you're...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, obviously, black people say that's example or evidence of white people being insensitive.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That you don't realize how offensive it is to put on paint to pretend to be like us.
kyle dunnigan
I didn't know.
I had no idea black people, when they saw someone dressed up as Bill Cosby, like a white guy, were mad about it.
I really didn't.
No.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, what's confusing is if you don't have a good sense of history, you think of it and you go, well, if I saw a black guy dressed like a white guy, what would I give a fuck?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then you have to go to those Al Jolson movies and shit.
kyle dunnigan
That blackface was...
Weird.
Different, I feel like.
joe rogan
Dude, it was cartoonish and strange.
And black people couldn't act in movies, so they had white people dress up and put paint on their face so that they looked like a black person.
To me, it's like, I understand that people think that's offensive.
I understand that it's offensive to you.
I get it.
But when I watched that, to me, it is fucking fascinating.
Fascinating like almost in a scientific sense, like you're looking at a different version of human beings.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
You're looking at these people that are just really interested in people dancing and running around and doing so with this weird paint on their face.
kyle dunnigan
It's so dehumanizing.
joe rogan
So weird, man.
So weird.
kyle dunnigan
And it was like, they praised him.
He went backstage.
They're like, great job.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Let me hear some of this shit.
Can I hear some of it?
jamie vernon
No, I can't.
joe rogan
No, nothing?
jamie vernon
We got in trouble.
unidentified
I'll tell you what.
joe rogan
Damn it, Jamie.
jamie vernon
It should be in public domain, but it's not.
joe rogan
Okay, sorry.
kyle dunnigan
My heart goes out to you.
joe rogan
When you look at him, it's so strange looking.
Give me a little.
Imagine, he's like, I like the way black people look, but their music's too good.
So what I'm gonna do is do like a white guy version.
And just pretend I'm a black guy.
And I'm gonna do like whack white music.
kyle dunnigan
That is fucked.
joe rogan
How many blues singers were alive back then?
What year was this?
jamie vernon
1927, I believe.
joe rogan
What year was Robert Johnson alive?
Find out Robert Johnson, that's the legendary blues man, the big legend of whether or not he sold his soul to the devil, because he was so much better than everybody else.
Same time.
So, here you go, folks.
This is how whack white people are.
Jesus.
Al Jolson's pretending to be a black guy while Robert Johnson is alive and making music.
Robert Johnson, I think it's Route 66 story.
kyle dunnigan
What's that?
joe rogan
I forget.
There's supposedly where he met the devil on the highway.
And he sold his soul to the devil to be the greatest blues man ever.
It's hard for us to see in the 2020 context when there's so much music, man.
There's so much brilliant music.
There's the Beatles and fucking Sturgill Simpson and Kiss and Rolling Stones.
There's so much fucking music that you could just get on your phone at any time.
But back then, this one dude, Robert Johnson, was so intoxicating that people thought that he had sold his soul to get that good.
That's a real legend, man.
I don't know about it.
And he was just traveling around singing the blues.
And you can listen to it today, but it's hard to put it into perspective.
Is his stuff public domain?
kyle dunnigan
I'll pay for it.
joe rogan
Give us a little taste.
But Robert Johnson, it's like when you listen to Lenny Bruce comedy.
It's hard for it to translate to today because the times are just so different.
And this is the same thing with Robert Johnson, but you gotta think, in his day, just recorded music was like 20 years old.
Nobody even knew.
They were recording Beethoven and shit on these big stupid discs.
This is a guy that was way ahead of the curve.
kyle dunnigan
I want to hear this now.
joe rogan
Come on, Jamie.
Give me some music.
kyle dunnigan
What could it be?
40 grand?
unidentified
Give me a touch.
kyle dunnigan
It's really not a big deal.
joe rogan
Just give me a touch of Robert Johnson.
kyle dunnigan
How much can you pay before you have to pay for it?
jamie vernon
Prior to the stuff, that's the best phone.
kyle dunnigan
Robert Johnson.
joe rogan
Thank you.
What year is this?
19, what was it, 30?
jamie vernon
It said he died in 38 at 27, so he wasn't even that old.
joe rogan
He died at 27 years old.
They all died at 27. So imagine, there's this and then this wack-ass Al Jolson singing terrible songs and pretending to be a black guy at the exact same time that Robert Johnson was alive.
kyle dunnigan
Must have felt real good.
joe rogan
Well, and then you gotta think that Robert Johnson, you're talking about a guy who was alive like 60 years after slavery ended?
Right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, he was born in 19...
What did it say?
kyle dunnigan
Does it say how he died?
joe rogan
11. He was born in 1911. That's crazy.
Was that 56?
50-ish years.
That's when he's born after slavery ended, right?
So it's basically the divide between people that used to be slaves and regular folks is still so fucked up, man.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
One thing I was reading about that I didn't know about.
Was I reading or somebody told me this?
That for the longest time after slavery, one of the big things was they would just arrest black men for anything, for loitering.
And then they would make them work for pennies a day.
They'd make them fucking break rocks and shit.
So they'd give them these crazy sentences.
So they basically kept them slaves.
They just arrested them a lot for shit.
And then imagine being a guy whose entire life you've been a slave.
Now you're 25 years old, and they've just let you free.
And you've got to figure out how to get a job, and nobody wants to hire you, and everybody's scared of you, and everybody's prejudiced against you, and there's no opportunities.
And they just start arresting you, and making you break rocks.
You're like, fuck a...
I thought you guys were gonna fix this.
This isn't any better.
This is worse.
So a whole generation had to go through that before it still got to the civil rights movement in the 60s.
It's real crazy when you think about it.
kyle dunnigan
It's not that long.
joe rogan
Not that long, man.
I am 52 years old, and I believe Michael Yeo had on his page that A year that, like, to the very year that I was born, maybe I was alive for one year where it was illegal for a black man and a white woman to get married.
Illegal.
To, like, the late 60s.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't know that.
Did you know that?
kyle dunnigan
I don't know anything.
joe rogan
Dude, that's my lifetime.
I think I was a year old when they made it legal.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Can you find out if that's accurate?
Jamie, what are you eating?
It looks delicious.
kyle dunnigan
Come on, Jamie.
joe rogan
What do you got there?
Oh, the NeuroGum.
kyle dunnigan
What does that do?
joe rogan
Makes you smarter.
kyle dunnigan
I need one so bad, Jamie.
joe rogan
You do too.
I do as well.
kyle dunnigan
I know.
I'll smoke a joint and drink and then try to make good points.
joe rogan
Dude, we're making great points.
Here we go.
1967. So the year I was born.
Interracial marriage in the United States has been fully legal in all U.S. states since 1967. There you go.
So it's like, that's not that long ago, man.
That's not that long ago.
kyle dunnigan
Interesting history.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And we're still getting over it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
American Indians don't even start with that.
joe rogan
I'm obsessed.
You see that giant painting that I had out there, that Greg Overton painting?
kyle dunnigan
No.
joe rogan
That big white Indian face when you walk in?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yes.
I got obsessed with Native American history.
Obsessed.
kyle dunnigan
I don't know much about it.
Can you enlighten me a little bit?
joe rogan
There's a book that you got to start with.
This is the one that'll get you.
It's called Empire of the Summer Moon by this guy S.G. Gwen.
It's fucking crazy.
It's all about the Comanches.
And all about how the Mexicans tricked people into settling into Texas because they knew the Comanches lived there and the Comanches were going to kill them.
They wanted a buffer between people and the Comanches.
So they gave them all this land.
They're like, Señor, this is a good place for you.
Send these poor bastards out to be slaughtered.
kyle dunnigan
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
It's the best book, I think.
In terms of a perception-shifting book, the best book I've ever read.
I actually listened to it on tape.
kyle dunnigan
I never thought I was going to read.
I don't read anything.
joe rogan
I read mostly magazines.
I just mostly listen to books on tape.
But this one is so well written, it's so fascinating.
And the people that figured out how to conquer the Comanches, basically were the guys that figured out how to use pistols.
They had to change the way they did battle and they had to go against them on horseback.
Comanches were so good at fighting on horseback.
And these dumb Americans, you know, early Americans.
Why aren't you in a line?
They'd have to shoot their long rifle off their horse.
So they'd have to dismount from their horse, pull out their musket, boom!
And then they gotta repack it.
It takes a minute to repack it.
And these Indians were just fucking them up.
So they couldn't get past a certain point in the United States.
And that was Texas.
That's why Texas is so fucking fierce today.
Because the Texas Rangers were the first people that figured out how to fuck up the Comanches.
They lived like Comanches.
They made cold camps.
They didn't light fires.
They ate just bullshit.
They survived.
They dressed like...
Like regular people.
They did whatever the fuck they wanted and they figured out how to fight on horseback and then they figured out how to use a Colt revolver.
They were the only people using the revolver.
Nobody saw a use for something they could fire five times before it ran out of bullets.
So this guy invented this revolver when he was like I think he was like 16 years old or something crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the patent kind of floated around for a while and he made them, but nobody really wanted them.
But then these Rangers kept fighting these Comanches and they only had two muskets in their hand and one long one.
So they had three shots and they had to get the fuck out of there.
We can't beat these guys.
They have like 20 arrows.
This is fucked up.
And so this...
One guy got a hold of a Colt revolver, and then he goes, hey, I think we just changed the game.
They started fucking up these Indians on horseback, and they started conquering big chunks of land that the Comanches were dominating before.
It's a crazy story, man.
That's the best one to start with, because they were so ruthless to each other.
kyle dunnigan
I will listen to it.
I read so slow.
I get panic attacks when there's subtitles in a movie.
I was in school.
My parents kept trying to make me read faster.
This was back before they saw if you had a reading problem.
You just were dumb.
You were an idiot.
joe rogan
Right.
kyle dunnigan
Period.
And so they took me to this nun.
There were these nuns that had this reading machine that we heard about.
joe rogan
What?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
So we drive like an hour and a half to go to this reading machine.
joe rogan
What did you think it was before you got there?
kyle dunnigan
Magic.
I didn't know what it was going to be.
joe rogan
How old were you at the time?
kyle dunnigan
14, maybe?
joe rogan
You go into a reading machine.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
And so it's a nun.
Very sweet.
And it projects on the wall like one sentence at a time.
And it goes by...
At a certain speed.
It was like one through ten speeds.
And so she tests me where I am the first day.
And I'm level one.
I can only read the absolute slowest.
And she saw I was upset and she goes, don't worry, by the end of the summer you'll be on level ten.
And I was like, really?
So worked all summer.
End of the summer test.
Guess what level I was on?
I worked really hard.
Yes, I was on one.
And her faith in God dropped off her face.
I couldn't read and I still get angry when I read and I can't get it.
joe rogan
Still to this day?
kyle dunnigan
I read like this.
I had to go back and then I go this way.
I'd guess words like I know how long believe is but sometimes it's a different anyway.
joe rogan
The problem is nobody recognized that you were actually a comedian that was trying to be a regular person.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
I thought I was a normal person.
joe rogan
That was the problem.
They're like, what is he going to do?
I wish I was there.
kyle dunnigan
Well, my...
I actually was very upset when I was like 12 years old.
I was voted class clown, but I wanted to be...
At that age, you want to be cool and liked by girls, you know?
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
kyle dunnigan
You don't want to be a clown.
Clown to me was bad.
I realized that's how they saw me.
It was like tiny.
They changed it to best personality because they heard that I was upset about it.
And then my mother proceeded to fill my room with clowns.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
kyle dunnigan
My room was filled and I didn't really have a voice back then.
I didn't really, for whatever reason, I just let my mother fill my room with clowns.
There was one painting of a clown reading the Wall Street Journal and he was crying.
Like he had stock.
Like some clown had like stocks.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
kyle dunnigan
Very upset about what was happening in the stock market.
joe rogan
I was so high, I couldn't remember Leanne Tweeden's name.
But how high was I? I was thinking, was it Luann?
But I know her.
She's nice.
She's a nice person.
jamie vernon
The account of Robert Johnson's death is pretty crazy.
kyle dunnigan
Let's hear it.
jamie vernon
I just lost it.
I was looking at The Devil Legend 2, which is pretty interesting.
But...
He went down...
So those recordings he did were almost near the end of his life.
Because there wasn't obviously lots of recording back then.
It says he traveled to a plantation to perform at a dance party.
And he was poisoned by someone.
He was having an affair with the guy's wife.
The guy didn't know he had an ulcer.
So it said he wasn't trying to kill him.
He was trying to make him sick.
The ulcer made him really sick.
He bled.
kyle dunnigan
Oh.
jamie vernon
Then, the back of his death certificate, I'll let you read this part, because it adds to it a little bit.
It says it was written on the back of it, this part right here.
joe rogan
What part right here?
jamie vernon
This paragraph in the middle.
joe rogan
I can't see that well.
jamie vernon
Okay, it says, I talked with the white man whose place this Negro died, and I also talked with the Negro woman on the place.
The plantation owner said the Negro man, seemingly about 26 years old, came from Tunica two or three weeks before he died to play banjo at a Negro dance given there on the plantation.
He stayed in the house with some of the Negroes, saying he wanted to pick cotton.
The white man did not have a doctor for this Negro, and he had not worked for him.
He was buried in a homemade coffin furnished by the county.
The plantation owner said that was his opinion that he died of syphilis.
His sister then came, got him out of that coffin, tried to have his death looked into, and no one really looked into it.
And that's about the end of that.
joe rogan
So somebody might have poisoned him.
jamie vernon
This wasn't found out until 30 years later.
They thought he just disappeared.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
Death wasn't reported publicly.
He disappeared from the historical record and wasn't until like 30 years later.
Some people found his music and they dug into his life, found his death certificate, found out all this information way after the fact.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
So like this guy who everyone reveres as like one of the best musicians of all time.
joe rogan
Wow.
No formal autopsy was done.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
It's the same time that's happening.
All that real shit.
Al Jolson's got white gloves on.
kyle dunnigan
Right, making all that sweet cheese.
joe rogan
He's doing movies and people are clapping.
kyle dunnigan
Yay, so talented.
joe rogan
Do you imagine what white guilt was like back then?
It must have been suffocating.
kyle dunnigan
I don't think there was any.
joe rogan
None?
kyle dunnigan
No.
joe rogan
The ones who were aware, they'd be like, oh my god, my race sucks.
kyle dunnigan
Were they?
joe rogan
What did we do?
kyle dunnigan
That's an interesting thing.
jamie vernon
For the record, that was on Wikipedia that could have been organized in maybe the not most truthful way, but that's how it was put in place.
joe rogan
Right.
kyle dunnigan
There's an album.
joe rogan
I didn't know any of that, man.
That's interesting.
I didn't know he was that young, too.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's kind of funny, man.
It's just weird that just a few years ago, Jimmy Kimmel, didn't he do like Karl Malone?
Didn't he do like an impression of Karl Malone?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that is...
joe rogan
That was okay.
kyle dunnigan
Interesting how...
What do you think about going back and canceling?
joe rogan
Well, it's hard because the context of the time is different.
When Jimmy Fallon was playing Chris Rock, I know you think it's offensive, but it wasn't universally considered offensive to pretend to be someone of a different race.
It wasn't automatically thought of as you're trying to be racist if you pretend you're Chris Rock, if you can do a Chris Rock impression and you put makeup on your face that makes you look like an African American.
It wasn't It wasn't necessarily racist because you were pretending to be an actual human being.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It used to be different.
Like, we thought of it differently.
Now, it's like universally thought across the board.
If you're a white person, you can't put black makeup on.
Everyone's agreed to that.
This is the new elevated standard.
And we all agree to it, right?
kyle dunnigan
And if you did it now, that would be...
unidentified
That's different.
joe rogan
Right.
If you did it now, it's different.
If you decided now, you're like, fuck you, your rules, man!
I'm fucking crazy!
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's really what's going on.
And back then, it wasn't a problem.
People thought it was funny.
Like, oh my god, that's Jimmy Fallon pretending to be Chris Rock.
You could do it.
You could pretend to be Mr. T when I was in high school.
Like, when I was in high school, you could put makeup on your face, have gold chains around your neck, and you could pretend to be Mr. T. Did you ever do blackface just in the 80s?
unidentified
No, I didn't.
kyle dunnigan
I happened to not either.
joe rogan
I got lucky.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, but you're right.
It wasn't thought of as...
You didn't think, oh, I'm doing something bad.
joe rogan
No, you didn't.
I don't think they thought that.
And it's like, where does that end?
Like, hmm.
What can you not pretend to be?
As long as you...
Isn't intent what's really important?
kyle dunnigan
I totally...
I absolutely think it is important.
I mean, I... I think...
joe rogan
Intent is what's important.
kyle dunnigan
It should be.
joe rogan
When things become taboo and superpowered, they become very dangerous.
It's just weird because then people are so scared of saying it that they want to say it more.
kyle dunnigan
And then the races have a more powerful weapon, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And we don't have to let go new ones.
You know, we've already lost certain words that we can never say again, even in jest, because they're so offensive that even uttering them is like an incantation for an ass-kicking.
You're going to call people to beat your ass.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
I mean, that's really what it's like.
kyle dunnigan
It's good to have that option.
joe rogan
But the real problem is intent.
It's like words are supposed to just be noises you make that let other people know what you're thinking.
That's all it's supposed to be.
And when a word becomes like a super powerful word or a deed becomes a super powerful deed, like a thing that doesn't really hurt anybody, like blackface.
When you decide, if you decided to be Mike Tyson for Halloween and you're an Italian guy and you had a fucking fake tattoo put on my fucking face, I'm fucking...
Well, champ.
People would only think it's funny.
You know, if that's your intent, especially if you're an actual Mike Tyson fan.
It's just weird that it's...
And it's because of their origins.
It's because of Al Jolson.
Al Jolson and his shitty movies for the whole reason.
unidentified
Goddamn movies!
joe rogan
I mean, how many blackface people were there back then?
Was it that big of a deal?
kyle dunnigan
I know there's an album cover with Judy Garland in blackface.
joe rogan
She was in blackface?
unidentified
No.
kyle dunnigan
On an album cover.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
See, but if there was none of that, if it was just- Right.
Right?
If it never existed, if just black people did their music and they were just recognized as being musicians, and there was never a white guy who tried to pretend he's black and do it and steal their thunder, if that never existed at all- You think it wouldn't be a problem?
I don't think it would be a problem.
kyle dunnigan
I'm not sure.
jamie vernon
For the record, it didn't start with Al Jolson.
That was just the first time it was captured on film.
So that's the last record.
That's like the only thing we have to look at.
joe rogan
Oh, so how long had it been going on?
jamie vernon
Since the 1830s.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
So dude, while slavery was still legal, white people were pretending to be black people on stage and singing shitty songs.
kyle dunnigan
It's just like they're not even trying to look like black people though, which is weird.
They came up with a caricature cartoon.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
Oh my god.
W.M.H. West's Big Minstrel Jubilee.
Now me, as a person, Just as a human being, I understand the context of what would be offensive about this and where we are today in 2020 and the progress we're making and all that stuff.
I just got to tell you, for me as a person, that is fascinating.
I am fascinated by this as just the evolution of an animal, of a human being, of a culture where we're seeing the people from that day.
What year is this?
jamie vernon
That picture was from 1900, I think.
joe rogan
Okay, so 1900. So 120 years ago, the evolution of that version of a human being to our version of a human being.
We're very different from people that lived 120 years ago.
And this is a great example of how different we are.
When you see stuff from that time, it's like, I understand how it's offensive to people.
I get it.
I understand.
It should be offensive.
It should be offensive that people were treated that way.
It should be.
However, just as someone who's like watching, like if you were watching a bird and it exhibited really weird behavior a long time ago and then it stopped doing it, he'd be freaked out.
Like, wow, what happened?
Why'd they stop doing this?
Like, how did they evolve?
How are they different from the way they were back then?
If you got to, if you could fucking have a time machine and go back and watch a minstrel show, a live minstrel show, you and me, we get high as fuck.
kyle dunnigan
We time travel.
joe rogan
We get in that time machine.
Could you imagine sitting there watching that crazy nonsense?
Like a white guy with like black paint all over his face and big exaggerated lips and he's got white gloves.
Singing these terrible songs.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
It's weird that those things happen.
joe rogan
That would actually be a fascinating Oculus Rift game.
kyle dunnigan
Wait a minute, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you could put a game on, like one of those Oculus Rift things, if you could put a helmet on and it would just transport you back in time, not just to this place, but like to Egypt.
How about that?
How about you're in ancient Egypt?
In, like, 2000 BC with Cleopatra.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Actually, she lived in, like, the ADs.
kyle dunnigan
10,000 AD? She lived in the ADs.
joe rogan
Cleopatra is not a good example.
kyle dunnigan
I went to those festivals.
What do you call those?
Renaissance festivals?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Those are great.
kyle dunnigan
And they were having this big, like, hear ye show!
And the guy's on stage, and there's people, you know, all dressed up watching.
And I wanted so bad to go up in my now clothes from backstage.
I could have got backstage.
Like, everybody, I'm from the future.
And they'd have to continue to pretend they're from the olden times and be like, in the future, people make fun of you and they do these festivals and they're a bunch of nerds who act like you.
unidentified
And they would have to continue like, oh, you're from the future, sir.
kyle dunnigan
They couldn't break character.
Anyway, I was too scared to do it.
joe rogan
Do you think they'll ever have a millennial festival like they have a renaissance festival?
kyle dunnigan
That is so funny.
A millennial festival.
Everyone's just on their phone being a dick.
joe rogan
I'm an activist.
unidentified
Look at all the hashtags I use.
kyle dunnigan
You know what?
I think some version of that will happen.
We're kind of having 80s parties now.
joe rogan
Well, that's what I think about what's happening with us.
This is a good way to look at it.
We're talking about these ripples and waves and ups and downs, and we're experiencing a big crazy shift.
All that though, I think, on the other end, comes out better.
I think it comes out better for everybody.
I really do.
I think all this horrible shit that's happening to us right now as a culture needs to happen so we can be nicer to each other.
It's totally possible.
kyle dunnigan
That would be great.
joe rogan
It's totally possible.
It can 100% be the outcome and I think it is going to be the outcome because if you look at all these people that are peacefully marching versus the people that are looting and all the crazy shit, the numbers are overwhelming.
Most people are peacefully marching.
kyle dunnigan
I want people to...
My brother's a cop.
So I have like a...
You know, I really feel defensive of him because he's just such a good cop and a good guy.
And I just feel like, God, the news is just making things...
They're going a little overboard with...
joe rogan
Bro, they canceled Paw Patrol.
Do you understand this?
That's how serious they are.
kyle dunnigan
Is that puppies being police?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
That's how seriously they are.
Well, one of them is also a fire person.
They have different jobs.
They canceled Paw Patrol because of the cop part.
kyle dunnigan
That's insane.
joe rogan
Bro, they canceled cops.
They canceled the show cops.
The most reality of all reality shows.
kyle dunnigan
That's a good way to show you what most cops are doing.
joe rogan
And most criminals.
We've got to know about...
The best confirmation that we ever got about Florida man came from cops.
All those accounts, the Twitter accounts and Instagram accounts that show all the crazy shit that Florida guys do.
Most of it came from that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I want to...
It's also hard to even sort of bring interest in the conversation, cops and what they're dealing with.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
Because it's like you're not on the right side.
Like I am for Black Lives Matter.
But I also just want to introduce...
There's so much coming at cops right now.
I mean, they go up to these cars terrified.
Like how you go through a haunted house...
A lot of it is bad training.
They're not getting enough training.
They're really scared.
And they have a gun.
And so when you start wrestling with someone who's got a gun, suddenly who knows who has the gun.
From that point on, it's a...
joe rogan
And they don't have a whole lot of physical requirements on how much they learn martial arts or gun retention or any of that stuff.
kyle dunnigan
Not enough.
And also, now you can't...
You know, to control the head, you control the body.
And now you can't...
joe rogan
Can't choke him anymore.
kyle dunnigan
And look, and the guy who died, Eric Garner, Gardner?
joe rogan
That's the one in New York, yeah.
kyle dunnigan
He actually, he didn't die from the chokehold, but I think a lot of people think he did.
They were sitting, they were like leaning on him.
joe rogan
He couldn't breathe.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he was also being choked.
kyle dunnigan
But no, but not while...
joe rogan
No, no, that was, listen...
That thing around the arm, around the head, no one stays there.
They don't stay there.
You have to hold them.
You have to squeeze them.
When you squeeze them, you're choking them.
If I hold you like that, I'm not putting you to sleep, but I'm slowly choking you.
If a guy has a guy the way that cop had Eric Gardner down, if I basically remember correctly, he was using a gable grip.
It wasn't a full rear-naked choke where he was choking him to sleep, but he was holding this across the neck.
And I would say anybody who doesn't think...
That that's a choke.
Let me put it on you.
Let me put it on you.
Lie on the ground, and I'll grab your neck like that.
I'm telling you, it's a choke.
kyle dunnigan
I could be wrong, but I remember the video.
He did the choke, and once he got on the ground, he let the...
The guy actually didn't die from...
Do we have that video?
joe rogan
I think that one, you're correct.
I think Eric Gardner died from a heart attack.
kyle dunnigan
They were leaning or sitting on them.
They were all over them.
joe rogan
But it was all so crazy because it was for loose cigarettes.
But my point is, if someone is holding your head like that, it's a choke.
It just is.
It's not a full choke where you're going to sleep.
But if someone has you in a position where they're on top of you, you're on your stomach, okay?
So all their weight is on you, which makes it very hard to breathe already.
Yeah, that guy's wrapping his arm right around his neck.
kyle dunnigan
No, I'm saying he's on the ground.
joe rogan
His left arm in that one is not totally under the neck.
So that one is.
See how that is?
See, that is a choke.
Look at his hands.
See how his hands are gripped together?
Let me show you what I'm doing right here.
Look at this.
See this?
This is 100% a choke.
100%.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
That's a fucking choke.
And anybody who doesn't think that, let me put it on you.
That's a choke.
That's under the neck.
That's worse than I thought it was.
That is a 100% choke.
kyle dunnigan
I could be wrong, but if you go forward in the video, I don't think the choke that he's doing on him...
joe rogan
I understand what you're saying.
kyle dunnigan
He didn't do it for very long.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
He shouldn't have done it at all, man.
That's the thing.
If that is what caused him to die, and we don't know if that was, or if it was the people on top of him, or was the stress of the event, or it was a combination of all those things.
But that had to play a factor.
That choking that dude and why?
Over loose cigarettes.
That's the most important part of that story.
kyle dunnigan
Look, I'm not in defense of this situation.
I was just making the point that like sometimes when if you take away From a cop, the ability to...
I mean, also, they're not even gonna...
If you had a gun and someone is going after you, you have to assume they might kill you.
And you have to do anything you can in that situation.
Now, that situation is not a good example.
I was just making the point that he actually didn't die from that.
He died from there when they were, like, leaning on him and sitting on him.
joe rogan
But we don't know that, though.
Here's the thing, man.
The way he's on that guy's neck, that guy has big...
Look at the guy who's doing that.
Go back to that real quick for a second.
The guy who's doing that choke has some big ass fucking arms, dude.
He's got some big fucking strong...
Look at that guy's arm!
That's a strong motherfucker, man.
All those muscles around where his elbow is, that guy will choke the shit out of you.
Look at his shoulders.
Look at his triceps.
I am telling you, if that guy is trained in something, and it seems like he is, I guarantee you he's strong as fuck.
That is a rough thing to go through, my friend.
I'm telling you.
kyle dunnigan
I don't deny it.
joe rogan
You can't say, if you're seeing that, you're definitely seeing that.
You're looking right at it.
You can't say that's not what killed him.
Because if that guy's holding on, I don't know how long he's holding on for.
kyle dunnigan
But I think he's alive after this.
joe rogan
Maybe he had a heart attack because of that.
kyle dunnigan
That's possible.
joe rogan
Because this dude is on him like a pit bull, and for what?
Loose cigarettes.
It's fucking crazy.
It's the craziest story.
kyle dunnigan
I want to make it clear I'm not pro this story.
My point is that...
joe rogan
No, I know you're not.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, this...
joe rogan
But we forget what things really looked like.
I do it all the time.
I need to look at it again.
I go, oh, I didn't know it was like that.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I have a...
I just like...
I just know if you're in a situation where...
joe rogan
What's up, Jamie?
jamie vernon
The Paw Patrol thing, I was gonna say.
joe rogan
Did they bring it back?
jamie vernon
It's a troll.
joe rogan
Oh, those motherfuckers got me!
unidentified
No!
kyle dunnigan
What happened?
joe rogan
They got me.
Paw Patrol was a troll.
unidentified
They weren't really canceling Paw Patrol.
joe rogan
They got me.
You got me, you fucks.
But here's the thing, man.
kyle dunnigan
The cops was...
joe rogan
Cops is real.
But in my eyes, there's something about cops that was always mocking these poor fucks that are getting arrested.
unidentified
Even the theme song, bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do?
joe rogan
What you gonna do when they come for you?
They made it funny.
They made it funny to watch these cops pull over these bumbling rednecks with those fucking red plastic cups and they're beating each other up.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, it's a great show.
joe rogan
It was a crazy show.
31 years.
It's probably the longest running show next to The Simpsons.
jamie vernon
This is not a troll though.
This is breaking news.
joe rogan
California governor orders all citizens to wear face masks.
jamie vernon
It's in all public places.
joe rogan
How did we go backwards?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'll tell you how.
Protests.
No one's saying it.
unidentified
Can't say it.
joe rogan
Don't spread it.
Don't worry.
Whatever you do, don't try to get your job back, you piece of shit.
Are you guys demonstrating?
You're killing grandma.
But protest, it's like, yay.
kyle dunnigan
It's so weird.
joe rogan
They're making a difference.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
And there's also like cops were these heroes.
You know, in the parades, frontline workers, and a week later, like, you're an asshole.
joe rogan
Well, all it takes is one or two bad cops, and there's two in a row now.
That guy in Atlanta.
Jamie was telling me the story that the guy knew that the taser that the gentleman stole from him and ran away from him and, like, pointed the taser at him when they shot him.
He knew the taser didn't work.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He knew it had already been fired.
unidentified
They have...
jamie vernon
Apparently there's video, which I didn't see.
They've only shown photos.
After they shot him, they didn't do anything for like two minutes.
Or one of them tried to help, but the other one's like they stood on him.
Or someone kicked him.
joe rogan
I heard they kicked him.
I heard someone kicked him.
Dude, it's the best example for why we should have something other than the cops for drunk people.
Like someone who's like a nice guy who's a counselor comes in and talks to you.
Is it only one guy?
Yeah, he fell asleep in his car at the drive-thru.
Okay, we're gonna send Mike.
Mike's going to be like, hey man, you alright?
You alright?
kyle dunnigan
But eventually Mike's probably going to have to call cops.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
Maybe Mike says, listen man, I'm going to give you a ride home.
We're going to park your car right here.
We're all good.
kyle dunnigan
That's a good point.
joe rogan
I'll give you your keys.
Come back in the morning when you're sober.
Here's my number.
Call me.
I'll grab you.
I'll pick you up.
I'll bring you to the car.
kyle dunnigan
Also homeless, maybe take that away from cops too.
Dealing with homeless people.
joe rogan
You're right, right?
That's a real different sort of crime.
That's like a systemic poverty crime thing.
There's something weird going on.
If that many people are homeless, how fucked up is the balance of your little community when 70,000 people are homeless?
LA has Boulder but homeless inside of it.
kyle dunnigan
Really?
joe rogan
Close.
Boulder's like 100,000 people.
LA's got more than 70,000 and growing homeless people.
So the entire population of Boulder, no house, shove them into LA. And they have tents under the freeways and stuff.
kyle dunnigan
They make little tent cities.
joe rogan
I don't want those people to have to live like that, but I don't want them to live there either.
You know, it's a two-pronged thing.
It's like...
How do you fix that?
I don't know how you fix it once it gets started.
You know, it's very difficult to give someone back their dignity and, you know, and to do it, you almost need one-on-one individual attention with someone who's like a counselor, a babysitter.
Someone's gonna straighten the person out and clean them up and get them to think better and get them to eat better and get them to drink water and stop shooting heroin into the dick and get a job.
kyle dunnigan
You should never shoot in your dick.
That's what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
joe rogan
That's what I heard.
kyle dunnigan
That's why he got a mushroom penis.
He's shooting things in his penis.
joe rogan
Well, I unfortunately googled that disease and, oh, you don't want to do it.
I don't even want to say what it's called, but it's a type of gangrene.
That diabetic men get, if they get an infection, they're...
When they get an infection, they get this horrible gangrene.
And there are some fucking images on...
There's some things that Google will censor, okay?
kyle dunnigan
But not gangrene penis.
joe rogan
But not rotten dicks.
Rotten dicks.
It's open season.
kyle dunnigan
Top of the search.
What about...
joe rogan
What is it called?
What's the type of gangrene called?
I don't know.
Everyone should know about it, but no one should go look it up.
I looked it up.
Don't listen to me.
Do whatever you want to do.
You just need to know it's a real thing.
And then someone texted me, it might have been Metzger, someone texted me that they heard it was because Harvey was shooting coke into his dick.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that's what I heard.
joe rogan
So it's probably Mad Screen.
kyle dunnigan
He probably heard it from you.
A circle of lies.
jamie vernon
Fournieres or Fournieres?
It's a last name, I think, so it's capitalized.
joe rogan
So Fournieres Gangrene.
And it's gangrene of the dick, and you have been warned.
kyle dunnigan
And it didn't slow him down.
joe rogan
You want to see a photo?
jamie vernon
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I kept one on my phone because I was so confused.
kyle dunnigan
Well, you need to be pretty close to a gangrene penis.
jamie vernon
He had to get something injected by his assistants to...
joe rogan
To get his heart up.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Aren't you surprised that that didn't slow him down from his sexual assaults?
joe rogan
Holla at your boy.
kyle dunnigan
No.
I don't even know what I'm looking at.
I'm not even offended because I don't know what I'm looking at.
joe rogan
Meatballs and sausage.
That's what you're looking at.
kyle dunnigan
What's that tongue thing coming at?
joe rogan
Exactly.
jamie vernon
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Dude, that's a fully rotten asshole.
Like, that guy rotted out from the top of his dick to his asshole.
God.
kyle dunnigan
I had a STD scare.
I don't have an STD. But this is what happened.
I woke up and the area right above my most precious area was a little puffy.
So I called the doctor.
The lady goes, what do you want to see the doctor for?
I didn't know what to say, but this is what came out of me.
I go, I have a puffy pubic area.
And she goes, eww.
Like, at receptions, at a doctor's office, their job is to make you feel like, oh, that's fine.
Puffy pubic area.
We get those all the time.
joe rogan
That's so funny.
kyle dunnigan
Peter Power picked up puffy pubic areas.
Come on in.
So I'm like, oh, this is something she's never heard of?
Now I'm getting mobile.
So I go in there, and it's a little waiting room.
And I go up to the desk, and I go, Kyle Dunnigan?
Hopefully she'll see the chart and go, okay, sit down.
I got you.
And she goes, what are you here to see the doctor for?
Again.
And I'm like...
And I go, I have a puffy...
I have a puffy pubic area.
And she goes, oh, you talked to her.
Yeah, we were talking.
Like, they were...
Laughing and talking about it.
joe rogan
Oh, you talked to her.
Oh, we know that story.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, we were laughing all morning about that story.
joe rogan
About your puffy pubic area.
kyle dunnigan
And everybody is hot, which made it worse.
And this nurse came out and she's like, Kyle Dunnigan.
And then she's walking me down the hallway and she goes, what are you here to see the doctor for?
And I was like, does anybody fucking communicate?
joe rogan
This sounds like a great porno.
All the girls are hot.
You got a puffy pubic area.
And she just tells you, this is going to sound crazy.
But it's because...
kyle dunnigan
You have to get the cum out of your balls.
joe rogan
When was the last time you came?
And you're like, wow, I'm trying to not cum.
I mean, I'm doing this challenge for 30 days.
kyle dunnigan
I want to respect women.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's what it is.
Your cum is backed up.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
Let's get Diane in here.
joe rogan
So your cum starts to work its way into your lower gut.
kyle dunnigan
Michelle's got to work your balls to get out of there.
joe rogan
You have, like, a leaky cum container.
Like, your dispenser, it's like, it's just, you got too much in there, you know?
It's overflowing.
kyle dunnigan
That is a great porno, and I don't want to dismiss that as a great porno.
So, the end of this story, the doctor comes in, and I'm in that paper roll, he opens up, looks down, looks up at me, and he goes, oh, you just got a little fat.
unidentified
Right.
kyle dunnigan
Then he left the room.
I got a little fat.
I didn't even notice.
joe rogan
That's all it is?
kyle dunnigan
And I just wasted my day and humiliated myself.
joe rogan
That's all it is?
kyle dunnigan
My puffy pubic area.
joe rogan
You were worried you were going to die.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
Well, the reaction I was getting.
joe rogan
Al Capone style.
Well, that was the thing about Robert Johnson, too, right?
They said they'd think, oh, I think he had syphilis.
Yeah.
Somebody murdered that guy.
kyle dunnigan
What are the symptoms of...
I like to be a hypochondriac.
joe rogan
Oh, you don't want to get into this one.
We've discussed this one too many times on the podcast.
unidentified
Oh, all right.
kyle dunnigan
Sorry.
joe rogan
Okay, I'm going to do it anyway.
Do you know what the term big wig...
kyle dunnigan
I like it.
Sounds good.
joe rogan
Do you know what it comes from?
kyle dunnigan
Because people, they lost their hair, they were wigs.
joe rogan
From syphilis.
And it came from these two French dudes.
I think, what are they?
Cousins or some shit?
kyle dunnigan
I forget.
That's an accent you can still do.
joe rogan
But they were, yeah, you can do that.
kyle dunnigan
You're not even a racist.
No one will hate me if I'm doing this.
joe rogan
Nobody cares.
No one cares at all.
You can do Italian, too.
Hey, this fucking guy over here!
kyle dunnigan
We're the last to go!
We're the last!
joe rogan
We're the last of Mohicans!
Nobody cares.
kyle dunnigan
I don't think you'll ever not be able to pick on Italians.
joe rogan
So what is it?
jamie vernon
It was Louis XIV and his cousins.
joe rogan
So they had syphilis.
Their fucking hair is falling out in giant clumps.
Their teeth are falling out of their head.
Like when people had syphilis, they just rotted apart.
And when their hair was falling out, they just got a crazy wig.
And the more money you had, the bigger the wig you could get.
kyle dunnigan
Ah, big wigs.
joe rogan
So all these other people got syphilis too, and then wigs became like a thing of fashion anyway.
I bet back then people just fucked everybody.
Everybody just fucked everybody.
kyle dunnigan
What else are you gonna do?
joe rogan
Pedophilia was rampant, right?
There's all these stories of like hundreds and hundreds of years ago where pedophilia and man-boy love, like it was normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guys had like little boyfriends, like famous philosophers had like a little boy that they would fuck.
Yeah, like just imagine that shift in culture, you know?
kyle dunnigan
That was a good thing to get rid of, I think.
joe rogan
For sure, but the Catholic Church disagrees.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
That's a whole thing we could talk about.
jamie vernon
A tax on the powder they used on the hair to cover up the smell is what stopped it.
Like the fat of...
joe rogan
The tax on the powder.
So the powder became too expensive.
The smelly powder stopped the smell.
Imagine everybody smelled like perfumey, stinky pussy.
Like their hair was like a foot.
And they just had perfume all over the foot.
A stinky, rotten, fucking marathoner's foot.
kyle dunnigan
You're...
unidentified
You're...
kyle dunnigan
You're better off being a very poor person.
I don't know if this is an entire show, but I would rather be someone who's just got a studio apartment, who makes 40 grand, whatever, than be a king back then.
joe rogan
You would be a king.
Imagine if you could just tell these people, if you were in ancient Europe, and you were like, I'm going to show you how I live!
You got in the shower, you turned it on, like, oh my god, now I'm going to watch TV. Oh, look, they're pumping his fucking wig with powder.
kyle dunnigan
That guy's really leaning into it.
joe rogan
So these dudes would all, like, lose not just their hair, but their teeth would fall out.
They would get holes in their face.
And there's all these pictures.
Oh, there's Lindsey Fiteris.
jamie vernon
Yeah, well, that's our clip we're talking about before.
joe rogan
Yeah, we can show our own clip.
See that image of that dude's head?
That guy's head was falling apart like that because of syphilis.
He was literally...
His skin was rotting apart.
That's how...
Apparently, that's how Al Capone died.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yup.
Fucked up.
kyle dunnigan
But then wigs became fashionable, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
Because everyone in a wig.
joe rogan
Wigs became fashionable.
God damn it, that lady lost her nose.
That's so crazy looking.
That is so crazy looking.
Just a big hole where your nose used to be.
But people have like holes in their cheeks and shit.
Yeah, like eat your skin.
Yeah, and then they would die.
It's terrible, man.
kyle dunnigan
I wish I had some way to eat my nose.
joe rogan
Shut it off, Jamie!
Shut it off!
jamie vernon
That's somebody's skull.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it would rot right through you.
It's really spooky stuff.
kyle dunnigan
We got rid of that, though.
joe rogan
So anybody who doesn't like vaccines, like, hey, settle down!
unidentified
Settle down!
kyle dunnigan
Leave Bill Gates alone!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I've had this gentleman, Dr. Peter Hotez.
He's a vaccine advocate.
He's a doctor.
He's an expert in tropical diseases.
He was on the podcast talking about COVID and stuff like that.
And he gets very angry when people spout mistruths about vaccines.
You have to look at the good and the bad.
You have to be real honest about what happens with any kind of medication.
But with vaccines, oh my god, we've fixed so many fucking problems.
Your kids don't have to worry about polio anymore.
You don't have to worry about smallpox anymore.
Smallpox killed everybody!
There was so much shit that was just killing people until they figured out vaccines.
kyle dunnigan
It's just people who aren't aware of that history or they don't really sink in.
joe rogan
They're rightfully distrustful of a corrupt government.
That's why.
So they hear about vaccines like, it's fucking Bill Gates trying to put a microchip in me.
kyle dunnigan
What is that idea about Bill Gates?
I mean, to me, I can't even figure out.
He's spent so much of his money helping people.
joe rogan
Something happened.
Bill Gates became a bad guy.
kyle dunnigan
He spent so much of his money.
joe rogan
Not enough, Bill.
You fuck...
kyle dunnigan
I mean, would you do that?
You got $60 billion.
Are you giving away $50 billion?
I think it's good, even if he gives his kids money, it's good he's not telling them that he's giving them any money.
joe rogan
Dude, the moment I hit $50 billion, I'm going to live like I'm in a Jay-Z video.
I'm just going to get a giant yacht, and I'm going to have gold underwear, and I'm going to have a bottle of Dom in each hand.
Like that song, Big Pimpin'.
kyle dunnigan
You're waiting for $50 billion?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the number.
kyle dunnigan
I think a billion are good.
joe rogan
No, because you have to have goods, land, you have to have a lot of things planned out.
These fucking crooks out there are not planned.
kyle dunnigan
Is that the number, 50 billion, when you can relax?
joe rogan
I don't know what a number is when you can relax, but at that number, I'd say yes.
kyle dunnigan
I think.
joe rogan
But even then, those fucking dudes always feel like they need more.
kyle dunnigan
There you are.
joe rogan
When all those other dudes got yachts, Jay-Z got a fucking cruise ship.
jamie vernon
I forgot that there was someone walking around with the Dom Peeler.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
This is what I'm talking about.
That would be me.
Just dancing all day.
But here's the thing, man.
The real thing.
This is appealing because you can't have it.
And the only time that feels good is when you do other shit that's hard.
If you're just doing that every day, I swear to God, you won't be happy.
It sounds fucked up, but you gotta trust me.
Human beings need puzzles.
We need to solve things.
We need games to win.
We need things to do.
We need books to write.
We need things to accomplish.
We need goals that we set.
We gotta achieve them.
If you don't do that, you're not gonna be happy.
And it's a big problem with people today.
And if every day was like Big Pimpin', you would get bored.
Big Pimpin' is for the weekends.
You bust your ass Monday through Friday, and you fucking put the pedal to the metal, and then, you know...
kyle dunnigan
I mean, you look at rich kids that are disasters.
It's really not...
joe rogan
It's terrible.
kyle dunnigan
I even...
I think you'd be really sad just giving a huge house.
You just would be sitting in this big house by yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want a huge house, man.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Not if you're one dude in particular.
If you're Batman and you're living in one giant castle by yourself.
kyle dunnigan
That's just...
No, if you're Batman.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
You can't be...
You're so moody.
kyle dunnigan
You got Robin.
joe rogan
I wonder why you're so moody.
Yeah, but I don't even think he hangs out with Robin.
I think he...
kyle dunnigan
I think Robin are cool.
They do the call.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
kyle dunnigan
They Zoom.
joe rogan
He's like, I might have to keep rescuing this fucking guy.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
He does have to sort of carry the weight there.
joe rogan
Always going to save him.
He never pulls his own fucking weight, this Robin.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Do you remember the Batman movie with Alicia Silverstone?
That was maybe the worst movie ever.
Batman and Robin it was called.
I auditioned for that movie.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the gentleman who's on that LL Cool J cop show.
kyle dunnigan
I don't know that.
joe rogan
Right?
kyle dunnigan
Schwarzenegger was in it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I will freeze you, guy.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
But that guy was Robin.
kyle dunnigan
Oh.
joe rogan
He was Robin.
kyle dunnigan
What's his name?
jamie vernon
Chris O'Donnell.
joe rogan
Chris O'Donnell.
And he's on that cop show with LL Cool J. Oh.
kyle dunnigan
I missed that one.
joe rogan
That's canceled.
Who to this day, going back to Cali, is in my fucking playlist.
unidentified
Hey.
joe rogan
When I'm working out, I like that song.
Her bikini, small.
Heels, tall.
She said she likes the ocean.
unidentified
Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.
joe rogan
That's a fucking great song, man.
It's a great workout song.
kyle dunnigan
I put on Rocky music.
joe rogan
Oh, you're hardcore.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I go right to it.
joe rogan
Too much trumpet for me.
kyle dunnigan
It's a lot of trumpets.
joe rogan
Too needy.
kyle dunnigan
I get really pumped up when I hear a trumpet, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, if you were running and Rocky came on, yeah, I would see it, though.
But in the regular world, you don't want to listen to it.
kyle dunnigan
What were we talking about?
I forgot.
I think we were talking about something.
And then we got on to our workout music, and I'm fucking ready.
joe rogan
Do we get into something important?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
It's not really possible.
jamie vernon
Partying on the weekend.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm so glad to do this podcast with you.
I've been having all these serious podcasts lately.
kyle dunnigan
Thank you for having me.
I can't handle it.
joe rogan
Yesterday was my friend Brett Weinstein.
He's an evolutionary biologist and one of the smartest fucking people I've ever met.
So it goes from him to this goofy conversation.
It's awesome.
kyle dunnigan
Well, that's what I feel...
Like, bad people listening hear so many smart people.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they want funny people too.
kyle dunnigan
Not that I'm an idiot, but I'm clearly misinformed.
And also we've been smoking, which is, I don't approve of this.
joe rogan
People like fun.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
We have fun.
joe rogan
We're Americans, goddammit.
kyle dunnigan
Goddammit, that's right.
And I bought a surfboard that came today, and I'm going surfing.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
You're going surfing?
kyle dunnigan
Can I surf?
No.
joe rogan
You should get a lesson.
Don't die.
unidentified
I like you.
kyle dunnigan
You can't die.
joe rogan
I really want you to survive.
kyle dunnigan
You can't die surfing.
joe rogan
You definitely can die surfing.
kyle dunnigan
No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
You definitely can die.
kyle dunnigan
You've never surfed, sir.
joe rogan
You're right.
You're right.
But I do know people who have told me they almost died surfing.
kyle dunnigan
How did they die surfing?
joe rogan
They got hit with the fucking wave and brought under, and they didn't think they were going to get back up.
kyle dunnigan
Dude...
Come on, man.
joe rogan
Wow.
kyle dunnigan
You think I'd knock out from a surfboard?
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
You know, the scariest thing I ever heard anybody talk about with the ocean was not just that this guy died.
In San Diego, they were all training for like a triathlon and he got bit in half by a shark in front of everybody.
kyle dunnigan
Full on half?
joe rogan
Full on Great White just takes him and fucking rips him in half in front of everybody.
kyle dunnigan
And you're awake.
joe rogan
And you're in the water and you are hundreds of yards from the shore.
And the guy next to you just exploded with a sea monster, just jumped out and ripped him in half.
And you know blood fuels shark frenzies.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you go real slow.
You can't really even swim fast.
At your fastest, you're fucked!
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're trying to maintain a certain pace because you don't want to run out of gas.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
You don't want to be exhausted.
kyle dunnigan
You don't want to splash around either like a wounded seal.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Well, um...
My friend Peter Atiyah, he swam those waters shortly afterwards because he's preparing for some crazy Hawaiian swim where he swam from like Maui to the Big Island.
What was the distance he swam?
Something really insane.
He swam from Maui to the Big Island.
I think he might have swam to Lanai as well.
He tried to do it all in one day.
So he's in these shark-infested waters, tiger sharks all around Hawaii, and they're real aggressive.
That's where he's going to go swim after he's training for swimming, right where the guy got bit in half by a shark like a week ago.
kyle dunnigan
Why would he do that?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
People are different.
kyle dunnigan
Anyway.
joe rogan
People are different.
kyle dunnigan
You should come surfing with me, dude.
joe rogan
I'm scared.
kyle dunnigan
Are you scared of sharks?
joe rogan
100%.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, because you are a potential prey when you get in the water.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm a pussy.
I'm not into getting eaten by a shark.
I just don't think you have many options for survival if one tries to get you.
kyle dunnigan
I think you underestimate my speed.
I know.
joe rogan
I know you're fast.
kyle dunnigan
I'm very quick, especially underwater.
joe rogan
I think a seal's gonna sell you out and push you towards a shark.
That's what I'm worried about.
kyle dunnigan
You should probably surf with a seal.
Just hide your seal.
joe rogan
Just fucking throw him in the water.
kyle dunnigan
We'll just get the seal first.
joe rogan
Yeah, it'll be like, oh, he loves seals.
Like, this is Kyle and this is his buddy, the seal.
Really, the seal's just there.
unidentified
It's a fucking shark!
joe rogan
Boom!
And they catch you.
TMZ catches you kicking the seal into the water.
TMZ. And the shark snatches it up.
kyle dunnigan
Does TMZ get you?
joe rogan
Do they get me?
kyle dunnigan
You know, paparazzi.
joe rogan
I've talked to the TMZ. Most of the TMZ guys, a lot of them were comics.
So you'd run into them at the airport.
And they were usually pretty cool.
Good guys.
They're just doing a job.
It's just a weird...
Look, it's weird to not be famous and to see famous people and go, why can't I film them?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they have a great life.
joe rogan
It's right there.
I want to film them.
It seems like...
But the TMZ people, honestly, they've always been pretty respectful.
If you tell them, you know, I'm too exhausted, I can't answer this complicated question after I just flew all night, you know?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's what a lot of it is, right?
If you're fucking coming out of an airport, and you're high on edibles, which I usually am, that's how I'm flying, and I have a Starbucks in my hand, and I'm listening to Jimi Hendrix, and some dude asked me, you know, what do you think about Black Lives Matter?
I'm like, whoa, this is a loaded question right here.
You know or anything any any important issue where you could be like, you know, what do you think about it?
Biden or Trump?
What do you what kind of answer am I going to give you?
High as fuck holding on to a Starbucks?
It is the worst time to be drilled especially if you don't When you're flying you got to just accept the fact that you're flying, right?
You just sit there and you sit there and you listen to music or you look at a movie on your laptop You're basically just sitting there chilling you're like you accept where you are and then you get off You get your coffee, you start walking, and there's a question about life.
I'm not thinking about life.
I'm just chilling.
I'm trying to not think.
This is my not think time.
This is not like I'm going to do a podcast.
Let me wake up and get ready to do a podcast.
Or I'm about to stand up.
Let me ramp my brain up.
No, this is like getting off of a plane.
I'm going to give you the worst answers ever.
I don't know what the fuck I'm saying.
kyle dunnigan
And I think people go to you a little bit.
Because of your podcast.
They go to you for answers.
They'll ask Kendall Jenner something different than they're going to ask you, probably.
joe rogan
I'm not a guy for answers, trust me.
I'm a guy that can point you to people that might have answers, but I'm not the answer.
kyle dunnigan
You've got a wide range of knowledge, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it doesn't glue together right.
It's scattered.
It's basically inoperable.
It's great for bringing things up on a podcast.
It's not great for real-world applications.
I just have weird facts about the Comanches stored in my head.
kyle dunnigan
I know science things, which is completely useless.
joe rogan
But it's not.
That's the whole reason why we're here.
kyle dunnigan
I don't know why people aren't as fascinated with science as I am.
joe rogan
They should be.
kyle dunnigan
It is.
It's amazing that we make actual discoveries that I think are even more magical than some of the religion stories.
And people don't...
They're almost like scientists are elite nerds or something.
They're not cool to people.
I think without science...
You would just be in the woods pooping in a hole and you'd die in a week.
joe rogan
Well, I think we've got two things going on simultaneously.
We have the biological needs, okay?
And biological needs mean that, like, men are still in some way rewarded for being, like, big, strong, physical specimens, like a big football player or, you know, some elite athlete.
It's like, biologically, a woman's body will tell her, like, that is a man to breed with.
I'm going to make strong offspring.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
It is what it is.
kyle dunnigan
No, you're right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, because of that, these guys have the resources and the bandwidth to create all the things they create.
Dumb guys who get a lot of pussy ain't inventing shit.
I don't have any time.
I'm not thinking that way.
kyle dunnigan
There's an app that makes me handsome.
And I'll be Zooming, recording stuff with Kurt.
And I'll tell you, I relax.
I get confident.
And just because my jaw is slightly bigger.
I get a whole new personality.
I realize I developed this personality because of the face I just was given.
joe rogan
But on the other hand, one of the reasons why you're so funny is the perspective of life that you have coming from someone who's not totally happy with your appearance.
kyle dunnigan
No, I was just very tiny and it did not go well for me.
And my sister wanted a sister.
So when I was born, I was constantly dressed up in makeup as a girl and she'd call me Kyleena.
And I had to live as like a girl.
My whole life I've had women just like...
Like, on me, just telling me what to do.
And I ended up like...
I took tap and jazz with my mother.
I didn't want to do that.
unidentified
Oh my god.
kyle dunnigan
I went to get the tap shoes and the guy was like, one day we'll see you on Broadway.
I remember thinking like, I don't want to...
I think they kind of raised me to be like a woman.
joe rogan
This sounds like the beginning of a biography of a serial killer.
kyle dunnigan
Yes.
joe rogan
This is what it sounds like.
kyle dunnigan
I still haven't.
joe rogan
Just tortured by your mom.
You wanted to play baseball, go fishing, and she's like, put on this dress!
kyle dunnigan
I'm going to raise a gay man if it's the last of me.
I remember my parents found a nude magazine.
They weren't even nude.
They were women in underwear under my bed.
My dad was like a little relieved.
Not that he would ever be against me being gay, but he was like, I thought you were gay, but he didn't want me to have a life probably.
joe rogan
Right.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, look, I'm built like not a tough man.
I'm not built like I'm proud to be one of your softest friends.
joe rogan
But didn't you tell me that you're doing a prison workout?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, now I'm going to be huge by the end of COVID. I'll be huge.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
kyle dunnigan
Trying to keep up with your friends?
joe rogan
You said you were gluing rocks together and shit?
kyle dunnigan
I got bricks, wrapped them in duct tape, gorilla duct tape.
joe rogan
Really?
And you're lifting weights with bricks?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I'm getting...
I'll be huge by the end of this.
joe rogan
You really could do that.
kyle dunnigan
It's actually...
It's getting all the muscles, you know?
joe rogan
I read a story once where there was a guy who was talking about how to become a power lifter.
He was explaining to people what to do to become a power lifter.
And one of the pieces of advice he was giving is get a manual labor job.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was literally saying, if you want to get really strong, you want to lift at night after work, but you want to work all day picking up bricks and shit.
This guy, his strategy for being a stronger power lifter was get a job carrying rocks all day.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I bought all these ficus plants from my front yard, like 13 of them.
And they were like, you want us to help you dig a hole?
I'm like, I got it.
I swear, the dirt was so hard.
It took me about three hours per hole.
And I just did it because I was like, this is great exercise.
joe rogan
Great exercise.
kyle dunnigan
And holy crap.
joe rogan
My doctor, Dr. Mark Gordon, he's been on this podcast before.
He actually does that for exercise.
He'll go out in his backyard and just dig a hole.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, digging a hole gets pretty much everything.
joe rogan
And I go, what are you doing with the hole?
He goes, nothing.
Fill it in.
Just digging a hole.
I'm doing it for exercise.
kyle dunnigan
No, that man's insane.
unidentified
No, he's not.
kyle dunnigan
He should get a project, though, at least.
joe rogan
No, he's a bright man.
He realizes that, first of all, when you think about digging a hole, like, honestly, as someone, I mean, I'm not a kinesiologist, but I understand a little bit about exercise.
It's a smart word for a guy who knows exercise.
When you hold on to a pole and you fucking shove it into the ground with your leg and then you wrench it with your arms.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that's what I did.
joe rogan
That's a workout, man.
That's a real workout.
And it's a workout that works everything.
It works your whole body.
As long as you keep switching legs and switch the way you pull the thing, you're going to use both sides of your back.
You don't want to do it this way.
You hit yourself in the face.
But you can do this shit and this shit and depending upon, obviously, the size of the handle of the The shovel, but you can get a real workout shoveling, man.
Just fucking shoveling things to the ground, stomping on it.
kyle dunnigan
Digging a hole is...
joe rogan
And then chucking it.
I mean, it's all shoulders and neck and back.
kyle dunnigan
I want this guy to feel some satisfaction.
Like, I put in some ficus trees.
I got some nice curb appeal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
And he's out there digging holes and...
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I understand.
kyle dunnigan
Maybe he could come to someone's...
Maybe he could do charity work where people need holes.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I don't want to tell this guy how to do it, but...
joe rogan
Well, it's his yard, man.
He wants to have a nice green lawn so he could stare at it.
Go, look at you, nature.
Look what I've done.
kyle dunnigan
I've conquered you.
unidentified
You have been to the will of my visual pleasure.
kyle dunnigan
I'll tell you what I did.
I got some quotes on turf, fake grass.
joe rogan
Oh, that stuff's terrible.
kyle dunnigan
How do you feel about that?
joe rogan
I hate that stuff.
I looked at the house ones that had that.
The whole side yard was all turf.
It was a beautiful house, too.
kyle dunnigan
But was it the good turf?
joe rogan
It was a really good turf.
kyle dunnigan
You could tell, though.
joe rogan
Well, you only could tell because they told you.
I mean, once you got on it, you could tell.
But it was still beautiful.
But I don't like it.
Because I want...
I mean, I'd rather have a bunch of patches of dirt and some grass.
I want the fucking earth there.
I don't want a plastic toupee that pretends to be...
kyle dunnigan
Okay, I could see that.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here, plastic toupee that pretends to be plants.
I want grass or dirt.
kyle dunnigan
If you saw my lawn, my lawn is all weeds.
joe rogan
Fuck your lawn, bro.
unidentified
No, dude, don't talk about my lawn like that.
kyle dunnigan
I'll fucking cut you.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a...
I mean, would you want to do your lawn in the fake grass?
kyle dunnigan
I'm getting a quote.
If it's a good price, I'm going to do it.
Because I try to do grass, and it's been a nightmare.
I can't get these weeds to get out of my face.
joe rogan
Don't be a pussy.
One dude in my neighborhood has fake grass, and I swear to God, when I take my dog, he's a nice fellow, I'm sure, no harm against him.
He's got a house with fake grass in the front.
My dog pisses on it every time.
He's like, what is this?
kyle dunnigan
He just pisses on it.
unidentified
It's trash.
joe rogan
He steps in it, and like you can see, he looks down at his feet and goes, what the fuck is this?
This isn't even grass.
He pisses on it every time he walks by it.
kyle dunnigan
That thing must smell terrible.
Actually, how do I get the dog crap out of it?
joe rogan
You can't get the dog crap out of it.
It stays forever, and then it becomes a new thing.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, for God.
unidentified
I hate my life.
joe rogan
It becomes a new bacteria.
It leaps hosts.
kyle dunnigan
I'll be patient zero for the next COVID-20.
joe rogan
I mean, I'm sure they make it where you can't tell, but nothing's growing through that, man.
You're covering over the earth.
kyle dunnigan
I wish I had a picture of my lawn, and I think you'd feel different.
unidentified
No, I wouldn't.
kyle dunnigan
It's a disaster.
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck.
kyle dunnigan
I don't think you care at all.
I think you care about my lawn.
joe rogan
No, I'd be like, put some time into it, or don't.
Don't cover it with some plastic.
kyle dunnigan
I put so much time.
I just want it to be...
I may put just...
I don't know what to do.
Who cares?
Anyway, listen.
joe rogan
Isn't it strange, though, that a garden is so much more pleasant than just plants that you see on your own?
Like, a garden is like, I put this into the ground and gave it life.
Look at my tomato plants.
kyle dunnigan
I think you could eat your...
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
That's cool.
joe rogan
Have you ever had a salad from your own yard?
No.
It's weirdly satisfying, man.
Weirdly satisfying.
kyle dunnigan
Got an orange from a tree.
joe rogan
That's great, too.
Yeah, an orange from your own tree.
That's awesome.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, it's nothing to be neighbors.
joe rogan
But it's something about, like, if you can grow the lettuce, grow the tomatoes, grow some bell peppers and some onions, grow all that stuff, mix it together with a little balsamic vinaigrette, grow the carrots, chop them up, put them in the salad, and you're eating that salad.
You're like, holy shit, I grew this thing.
This is crazy.
kyle dunnigan
Do you know what I thought?
I just think baby carrots were baby carrots.
joe rogan
What are they?
kyle dunnigan
They're carrots.
They just made small.
joe rogan
They're just really little?
kyle dunnigan
No, they just got actual carrots and they shaved them small.
joe rogan
Oh.
There's no baby carrots?
kyle dunnigan
I might be wrong.
I may be trolled.
joe rogan
That's the people that are assholes.
They're telling you it's a baby carrot.
It's an old grandpa carrot.
kyle dunnigan
I'm wondering.
joe rogan
They shaved down grandpa carrot.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, man.
It's hard for me to put on weight.
I go all gut.
This way, my whole family is these giant barrels and then twig legs.
And then they come...
Waltzing up.
It looks disgusting.
So I'm constantly fighting it.
And you know my neck?
Here's a quick story.
joe rogan
Okay.
kyle dunnigan
I woke up one day.
Here's a dream I was having.
I was turning...
unidentified
Cut out of bed.
kyle dunnigan
I'm turning the top of a Coke can.
The top off.
joe rogan
Okay.
kyle dunnigan
Wrench.
Can't get it off.
Six-foot can.
I wake up with my...
joe rogan
Six-foot can of Coke?
kyle dunnigan
Bottle of Coke.
It's a dream I'm having.
Oh, okay.
I wake...
They're so expensive.
Really bad for you.
A lot of calories.
unidentified
Sorry.
kyle dunnigan
So I wake up with my hands wrapped around my head.
I was twisting my own head.
That's so crazy.
So I go to the doctor feeling like an idiot.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's so crazy.
kyle dunnigan
They x-rayed my neck, you know, and they put it on the wall and this doctor was rubbing his chin looking at my neck.
You don't want a doctor confused looking at your skeletal bone.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want him super confident.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
Everything looks normal.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
And he goes, Jonathan!
Calls another guy in.
And now they're both just like looking at my neck and I'm thinking I'm dying.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were a doctor and some guy comes in and he's a patient.
And you say, well, I just got to give you a little x-ray and check to see what's going on.
And you x-ray him.
And he's got all these weird bones he's not supposed to have.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And this entire spinal structure is totally different.
Everything's different.
The whole thing's different.
And the doctor looks at him and goes, what?
What's going on here?
unidentified
And he goes, shut the fuck up.
kyle dunnigan
This is another good porn movie.
joe rogan
Because he's from another planet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's infiltrating.
kyle dunnigan
And then the nurses come in and blow him.
joe rogan
Yeah, they all suck his dick.
kyle dunnigan
And there's peace in the galaxy again.
I love it.
So he looks at...
joe rogan
And the lumberjack women showed up.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The lumberjills.
kyle dunnigan
This has just been a podcast of great porn.
Someone's scribbling.
Some porn writer's doing a lot of scribbling.
joe rogan
I hope so.
It was funny.
I texted Tom Segura.
Did I text him or did I put it online?
I think I might have tweeted it.
Has anybody made COVID porn yet?
Tom Segura immediately, immediately texts me a photo of this lady with a fucking COVID mask on and some guy's grabbing her ass.
I'm like, this is crazy.
So then he sends me a link and I go to it and there's a COVID porn like two days after lockdown.
They've already got something produced.
kyle dunnigan
How many views?
I'm just curious.
joe rogan
Billions of views now.
Billions.
Everyone's jerked off to it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
I'll have to get on that.
joe rogan
Imagine.
That's the thrill.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
Might get a virus.
joe rogan
Fucking during a pandemic.
kyle dunnigan
It is kind of hot.
Women covering up.
Anything they covered up.
Even they used to cover up their ankles.
We were like, man, I gotta see those ankles.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It was risky to show your ankles, you dirty whore.
kyle dunnigan
Now they're covering their mouths.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
They have a lot of power.
joe rogan
But again, it's the change of culture.
Like we were talking about.
Just imagine living in a time just a few hundred years ago where women had to cover their ankles.
Like you have a blouse that goes all the way down to the floor.
Crazy.
But people were so animalistic.
I bet men were so out of control and disgusting that you kind of had to obscure the shape of your body or they would just try to rape you.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I bet hundreds of years ago, like most guys raped.
That's what I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet if you go back like 4,000 years ago, I think rape is like insanely common.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Insanely common.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when they talk about Genghis Khan and his DNA is in something like 5% of all Asian people.
kyle dunnigan
The perv men rape DNA gets spread.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
kyle dunnigan
And it's in all of us.
joe rogan
But the balance is the scientists don't get pussy so they don't get distracted.
And so they figure things out.
Those big gigantic football player dudes that are just fucking...
Storm style just like rawr like a fucking sandstorm just throwing dick all over the place.
Those guys don't invent anything.
kyle dunnigan
No.
joe rogan
It's like you almost need to have no distractions and the best way to have no distractions is no one wants to fuck you.
kyle dunnigan
We'll be right back.
joe rogan
I mean, nobody wants to say this, right?
But when you think of, like, weird sort of antisocial behavior, people getting locked into an online world, people getting disconnected from human beings, you know, all of this is...
That's not a good trend.
That that's happening more than ever.
And then with COVID, it gets ramped up even more because you have to do it that way.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
I feel like I went...
Full circle on the being stuck alone.
And now I was lonely for a little while, and now I'm fine.
I don't know if maybe I'm turning into a psychopath.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're about there.
You're right about at the door.
I'm a psychopathic guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I'm surfing.
That's an insane thing to do.
I'm zooming.
joe rogan
Surfing looks like it's so fun.
kyle dunnigan
Even being terrible at it is so fun.
You just wipe out, and it's so fun.
Oh, I didn't finish my neck story.
unidentified
Oh, your neck.
We're high.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're super high.
kyle dunnigan
We're super high.
joe rogan
Sorry, folks.
Sorry, folks.
kyle dunnigan
Feel free to...
joe rogan
I went off on an alien autopsy.
Sorry.
kyle dunnigan
It's not a great story.
It's just if someone's listening, they might be like, what happened to your neck?
Right.
The doctor turns to me and he goes...
Because I was like, what is it?
Am I dying?
And he goes, you have the neck of a seven-foot man.
unidentified
Whoa.
kyle dunnigan
That's the end of that story.
joe rogan
So you have a very long neck.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
Why I brought this up, I'll never know.
I think I was talking about my weird body.
Don't, now you're looking at my neck.
joe rogan
It's normal.
kyle dunnigan
I'm hunching, I gotta hunch it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta just, like a wrestler.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a pro wrestler.
kyle dunnigan
I wanna come back, because the Handsome app also makes my shoulders big and stuff, and it's cool.
joe rogan
CRISPR was just used to successfully treat some disease.
unidentified
What?
kyle dunnigan
I bought CRISPR. I don't have many stocks, but I got CRISPR and Tesla.
joe rogan
Oh, good moves.
What was it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
He said he bought it.
I was like, okay.
joe rogan
Stock, bro.
Yeah, that's a lot of money.
How much do you have?
kyle dunnigan
Jesus, you bought CRISPR and Tesla?
Holy fuck, bro.
joe rogan
But here it is.
Three people with inherited diseases successfully treated with CRISPR. So this is what the real...
Fascinating thing about CRISPR is is that they're going to be able to cure a bunch of diseases through it and here it is two people with a bait boy say that word beta Thalassemia Thalassemia and one with sickle cell disease no longer require blood transfusions which are normally used to retreat to treat severe forms of these inherited diseases and After their bone marrow stem cells were gene-edited with CRISPR. Dude,
they fucking edited their bone marrow stem cells.
kyle dunnigan
That's where we're going.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
The preliminary results demonstrate, in essence, a functional cure for patients with beta thalassemia and sickle cell anemia.
A functional cure.
So they figured out a fucking cure for sickle cell, man.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I think this is where...
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
kyle dunnigan
I think you're going to go to your doctor with your genes soon.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I think what we're looking at now is the tip of the iceberg, the beginning steps of this kind of technology.
They're going to be able to edit people.
They're going to be able to make you the rock.
You're going to look like the rock.
kyle dunnigan
Can they shrink my neck?
joe rogan
They're going to shrink your...
No, they're going to give you a body to match your neck.
The rock.
kyle dunnigan
I'll be seven feet tall, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have to be the rock.
kyle dunnigan
I saw The Rock years ago.
He's at my gym at Gold's.
We're going like 2001, like early Young Rock, before he was.
Guy got a stack of hamburgers.
Probably 12 hamburgers, you say.
joe rogan
He's enormous.
You don't realize how enormous it is until you see him in real life.
You're like, oh, criminy.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But in the future, like that's an anomaly to be that big, like as big as he is and handsome and so charismatic.
But all those things are an anomaly for them all to be together.
But what if you could just edit someone's genes and turn them into a specimen like The Rock?
Be real weird, man.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, you think they could edit how you come out?
unidentified
Yes, I think so.
joe rogan
I think they're going to be able to edit how you are.
Look at that.
Jesus, son!
That's America!
He's got a fucking flag in the background.
Built like a brick shithouse.
Determined.
Covered with real sweat that he earned.
You fucks.
kyle dunnigan
That's an American.
joe rogan
You pansy-ass fucks.
That's the greatest American that's ever lived.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, I think it might be tough to edit your jawline or something.
joe rogan
No, they're going to just inject you with some fucking...
Super architectural.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, the whole thing they have mapped out.
You pick what you want to look like.
joe rogan
Map out your frame.
And then you just shake like...
Do you remember that movie with...
God damn it.
I'm going to remember what it is.
It was a Vietnam movie.
A real trippy movie.
unidentified
With...
joe rogan
The guy that was in Shawshank Redemption.
What was his name?
kyle dunnigan
Oh.
Oh, crap.
joe rogan
The white guy.
kyle dunnigan
Tim Robbins.
joe rogan
Tim Robbins.
Okay.
Tim Robbins was in a Vietnam movie...
Where they gave the...
jamie vernon
Jacob's Ladder?
joe rogan
Jacob's Ladder, that's right.
The idea was that the whole movie I don't want spoiler alert was kind of like LSD or some psychedelic induced dream that the government gave him a psychedelic and gave him this crazy induced fucked up dream But you that's how you'd go So they would put you in some fucking cocoon, and you'd shake like this LSD people in Jacob's lab, like...
And then, boom!
You'd come out the rock.
That's what's gonna happen.
There's gonna be no exceptional people.
There's gonna be no people that are any different.
Everyone is gonna be perfect.
But then it's going to be like living in that Jay-Z video every day.
Everyone's going to get bored.
kyle dunnigan
I don't believe that's going to happen.
joe rogan
It's going to happen.
We're going to fuck it up.
We're going to fuck it up like we fucked up the environment and the ocean and birth control.
We fucked up everything.
Like we fucked up everything we've ever done.
We're going to fuck it up because we fuck up everything.
We fuck up everything and then we figure out what we fucked up and then we try to unfuck it.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
Well, I'll tell you this is what's next.
unidentified
There it is.
joe rogan
Jacob's Ladder.
kyle dunnigan
1990. And this we will for sure fuck up.
Because with the Tesla car and they're solving vision now, they're going to be able to put this in robots.
They'll be able to walk around your house and make your sandwich.
And when you get a robot girlfriend or boyfriend that can make you laugh, has all this information, does do all this.
joe rogan
She's nice.
kyle dunnigan
And then when you want to be alone, she goes into the closet and turns off.
What is this going to do with relationships?
joe rogan
Well, it depends if you're a bitch or not.
It's basically the same thing as the other things we're talking about.
You can't live in a Jay-Z movie forever!
You can't have the fucking hot maid that just sucks your dick anytime you want.
You have to have a relationship with an actual human being.
kyle dunnigan
Well, now, wait a minute.
I'm talking about...
joe rogan
That's more fun than the robot fuck doll lady cleaner of your house.
kyle dunnigan
But, Joe, you could program robot fuck lady to be kind of a bitch sometimes.
Like, you can program it to the point where you don't notice difference.
joe rogan
Wouldn't be real.
It wouldn't be her decision.
You want a human.
You're always going to be annoyed with something that's not a human.
It's going to be too easy.
It's like playing a game of Quake with God Mode on, where you can't be killed and you're just running over everything.
You get bored.
Part of the fun is you can get shot in the head.
kyle dunnigan
But it's like a chess app.
You go to the higher level.
joe rogan
No.
It's not real, though.
You know it's not real.
Until you don't.
And then when you don't, it becomes effective again.
But while you know it's not real, you're never going to accept it.
Well, you know this robot lady will just suck your dick.
You're like, suck my dick, robot lady!
kyle dunnigan
You can't even get hard.
It's your own cock.
She gets a little spicy with you.
joe rogan
You don't want that, man.
It seems like you want that because you can't have, you know, what that is.
You can't have a beautiful woman who's like wearing lingerie, who just does whatever you want.
It's like, no person wants that.
kyle dunnigan
But you're still thinking she's going to do what you want.
You can program her to be exactly like your last...
joe rogan
But then why am I paying for her to just be a regular person?
This is bullshit.
unidentified
You could change it.
joe rogan
I could just get a regular person.
kyle dunnigan
She could be from the South one week with blonde hair.
Look, you're in a good relationship, but imagine guys who can't get laid.
joe rogan
That is where I think we need to remove part of their brain so they believe that robot's real.
kyle dunnigan
I'm not against that, actually.
joe rogan
And the robot's programmed to make them a better person.
The robot is programmed to be almost like a great woman in your life is, inspires you to be a better version of who you are.
kyle dunnigan
I think this is what's gonna happen.
joe rogan
Yes, we could do that, but they have to be morons.
They have to be morons or the robots have to be way better than they are right now.
The simulation has to be better than actual reality so that you initially submit to it.
kyle dunnigan
I disagree.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a Republican tax plan they talk you into.
Like, listen, eventually this is going to work out in your benefit.
But right now you've got to submit to leaving all of your consciousness in this alternative recreated dimension.
Don't worry.
Your physical body will be safe and fine.
We're going to offer you a five-minute trial, but here's the pros.
You never have to worry about your bills again.
Everything is paid for, and you live like a rock star for the rest of your life.
And you stay alive the same amount of time.
So what are you doing?
Do you really want to just fucking struggle and get beat up by the cops and fucking lose your job because of corporate and they're downsizing, they don't give a fuck how much money you put in this fucking company?
Would you want to do it the hard way?
Or would you want to stay alive the same amount of time, but we just connect you to a machine, and the memories and life that we give you is far more exciting.
It's amazing.
You're a superhero.
You're the king of the world.
You're on top of everything.
You live like you're Dr. Manhattan.
kyle dunnigan
But it's not binary like that.
You can have something a little in between.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
Maybe once they hit the switch, they say, listen, just try it.
Just try it.
They give you a free weekend.
They give you a free weekend.
kyle dunnigan
They 100% give you a free weekend.
joe rogan
And everybody gets it.
Everybody.
kyle dunnigan
You get the first hit free.
joe rogan
But I thought Mike liked working at the sawmill.
He doesn't anymore.
He wants to be Dr. Manhattan.
He wants to be one of the watchmen.
He wants to be on Mars, just jerking off.
That's what he wants to do.
kyle dunnigan
I wonder how popular that one would be.
Oh yeah, I picked the Mars Jerkoff package.
Do you think we're in a simulation?
joe rogan
I'm way too stupid to know.
But smart people do.
Elon does.
Again, go back to Elon.
He thinks we're in a simulation.
kyle dunnigan
Okay, so he's smarter than both of us.
joe rogan
I should say this, I don't want to put words in his mouth.
I think he's very open to entertaining the idea that we're in a simulation and that it's very possible that we're in a simulation.
kyle dunnigan
Yes.
joe rogan
But I think it's a factor of what actual life is.
That's what I think.
kyle dunnigan
What do you mean?
joe rogan
I think what we're thinking of, us being in a simulation, I think maybe we need to look at it even bigger.
Like maybe that's a factor of what life is.
That life always has this weird, fucked up, theatrical quality.
It always feels fake.
And it's influenced a certain amount by the way we think.
Not just, it's not just a physical thing.
Just like when people are mad at you, it feels terrible.
Like if you said something at work to a guy and you regret it and you got to go there the next day and see him and you got to run into him and we feel bad, we feel bad, I feel bad.
Like people feel bad when they have bad interactions with each other.
We're not just like, we're not just, we're definitely not Individuals that are disconnected from everyone around them.
If people around you have bad feelings, you feel bad.
There's no getting around that.
So there's some shit going on with people.
It's way deeper than just words and looking at each other.
There's like energy that's being transferred back and forth between people.
It just hasn't been defined yet.
kyle dunnigan
Well, I'm definitely a little high.
That was really hard for me to follow.
But also...
They found recently—we are pixels.
Do you know that?
The smallest—the plank length, I think it's called, or like a triangle.
So you literally could make this.
You actually—you don't touch anything.
You know that, too.
You never actually touch anything.
Atoms don't touch.
joe rogan
Right.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, that's another—there's some things that are disturbing.
joe rogan
But if someone touches you, they touch you.
By that, you could say, no one ever rapes anybody.
It's just like, no one ever touches.
unidentified
Right.
kyle dunnigan
Well, I guess you have to define the word touch.
No one ever beats anybody up.
joe rogan
You can't touch each other.
No assault is real.
No car accidents are real, because no one ever touches anybody.
kyle dunnigan
I'm still offended you don't care about my lawn, but listen.
joe rogan
I do, I just don't want to be plastic.
kyle dunnigan
The point is, they're gonna make robots, robot girlfriends, and I don't know which sex, this is a good question for you to answer, which sex will be more mad?
The females got these guys who have these robots that are, they're not dating anymore because they love this, or women, or will men be mad because women are totally satisfied with this guy that's like, what happened at work, what?
joe rogan
Oh, Teresa's a bitch.
What if all the robots that the women chose were seven-foot Jamaican dudes with dreadlocks?
That's what they wanted.
That was like the most popular robot fuck dolls for ladies.
kyle dunnigan
They're called Opposite Kyle's.
joe rogan
Just giant, super athlete, big dong fellas with dreadlocks.
kyle dunnigan
Probably.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Those would sell well.
I mean...
joe rogan
White guys would be so mad.
Everybody would be mad.
A lot of dudes would be upset.
kyle dunnigan
You think about how many old people are sad and lonely.
Their wife died, their husband died.
And then you can give them this...
joe rogan
Viking dick.
Giant dude.
Just a huge blonde man.
kyle dunnigan
Bang your grandmother.
joe rogan
With scars on his face.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
His shoulders have dried blood splattered on him.
And he just gorilla fucks your grandmother.
kyle dunnigan
He listens good to her, too.
joe rogan
He gets so hard looking at her, too.
kyle dunnigan
And he wants to know about her stories.
Oh, he gets so hard...
joe rogan
When she crochets, it gets hard as a rock.
Can you imagine?
You got your grandmother a fucking Viking robot fuck doll.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, what a gift.
joe rogan
He shows up with wolf skins around his shoulders and shit.
kyle dunnigan
Your grandma here?
Yes.
Yes, Thor.
She's right this way.
joe rogan
Just dragging a fucking axe with him as he walks in the house.
kyle dunnigan
I think we're 20 years away from this.
I don't think that's ridiculous.
joe rogan
It's not ridiculous because here's the thing, man.
If you think about what makes someone attracted to someone, right?
If you say, okay, well, a guy would be attracted to a woman who has a great personality and she's fun to be around.
She's got a pretty face and a nice body.
But that's some evolutionary code.
The same reason why a woman is attracted to a big, giant, strong man.
Like, that's good genes.
Like, there's some evolutionary code.
What if they got in there with the CRISPR and just fucking monkey wrenched that shit, and you're only sexually attracted to dying people?
Like, that's it.
Like, they could send you to, like, a cancer ward, and you just go on a fuckfest.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's your thing.
kyle dunnigan
Your syphilis run.
joe rogan
And these dudes that live in this cancer ward, they're, like, dying, you know?
But if some hot robot lady that they programmed...
Or that some person, they just programmed their genes to be attracted to that.
kyle dunnigan
That person thing, though, you'd ruin that person's life.
But a robot...
joe rogan
Yeah, a robot would be...
Victimless.
But what if the robot's so good that it's really indistinguishable from a person?
Then when does the robot have rights?
kyle dunnigan
We gotta get on this robot.
joe rogan
Look, man, we can't make that mistake.
You know, as human beings, we've already decided that other humans that aren't like us are not equal to us.
What if we eventually invent a fucking robot that has all the characteristics of us, including it feels pain and has emotions, and we decide that it's not?
Oh my God, have we not learned from all of the years of horrors that we've inflicted upon our fellow man, we're gonna now do this to these sentient robots?
kyle dunnigan
But we gotta try to make them.
We're not gonna stop.
joe rogan
I always go to that scene in Ex Machina when that lady just leaves.
When she hops in that helicopter, she just leaves.
And he's, open the door, he knows he's gonna suffocate in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's pounded on that big, thick plexiglass.
You know he's never getting out.
And she just, no emotion, walks towards the helicopter.
kyle dunnigan
What if this is a simulation and this has happened over and over, our job is to create the machines that then, like our purpose we find out is to create the machines.
joe rogan
That makes a lot of sense.
kyle dunnigan
And this just happens over and over.
These little beings that get a little smart and then they make us again and then we make another universe.
joe rogan
I had a joke that I did a long time ago about the Big Bang Theory.
That like, what if the Big Bang Theory is just like what people figure out?
Like they get to a point where someone, it takes like 14 billion years, they get to the point where something can invent a button, you press that button, it resets time.
And then they're all sitting around staring at it.
And one dude, he's got autism, and he's on Red Bull, and no one's ever touched his dick.
And he's like, fuck it, I'll press it.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And he presses that button and bang!
The whole universe explodes and then contracts and then starts all over again.
And it's a big bang.
And every 14 plus billion years, we figure out how to make a big bang.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, maybe we've...
joe rogan
If you think about what we're doing and what we used to be able to do, think about when I was talking about the Comanches and that pistol, there was a big deal in 1840 that someone figured out how to make a revolver, right?
That ain't shit now.
You keep going way, way, way, way, way, way, way into the future.
Why is a big bang button preposterous?
I don't think it is.
kyle dunnigan
No, and we're clearly missing so much information, like the big bang.
unidentified
Right.
kyle dunnigan
I need way more information.
joe rogan
Dude, it used to be how small?
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
The whole universe was smaller than the head of a pin.
kyle dunnigan
In the gut, and our guts aren't right a lot, but it just doesn't seem, it seems like there's a huge piece.
joe rogan
Bro, I put that story right up there with Elisha and the two bears.
kyle dunnigan
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
Same story.
Yeah, who the fuck knows what happened?
kyle dunnigan
But we know...
joe rogan
Elisha and the she-bears killed the 42 boys.
kyle dunnigan
We got some data, at least.
The she-bears got zero.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have this sound that's coming from 14 billion years ago, whatever it is, 13.9 billion years ago.
kyle dunnigan
The weird thing is we're missing gravity.
It's weird.
Where does that go?
joe rogan
Well, not just that.
What about dark matter?
Explain that to me.
kyle dunnigan
Dark matter and dark energy.
joe rogan
Explain it.
They don't really know.
They know what it does.
They know the impact it has.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, that's why they call it dark matter because they're dark on it.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
I had fun interviewing my dad on tonight's episode of Triggered.
We covered many topics, but there was only one thing I really wanted to know.
Are aliens real?
kyle dunnigan
Fair question.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Hold on.
Scroll down.
donald trump-jr
This is the only thing I really want to know.
joe rogan
I want to know what's going on.
unidentified
Would you ever open up Roswell and let us know what's really going on?
kyle dunnigan
He's terrified of his dad.
jamie vernon
It's a teaser.
It's coming out tonight.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
They got us.
They got us.
They got us!
kyle dunnigan
Aliens?
joe rogan
No, these fucking...
These people got us to tune into this event.
kyle dunnigan
I do want to see that.
joe rogan
They got us.
They cut it off right at the very...
If it's so important, can't you tell us?
What's with the suspense?
You're supposed to be the president.
This isn't about ratings.
kyle dunnigan
Are you an alien?
Do you think aliens are here?
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
What are you basing that on?
joe rogan
Just my imagination and hopes and dreams.
kyle dunnigan
I say no way, and I'll tell you why.
First of all, people understood how far away things other stars are.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you're so right.
If people understood the idea of sending a video from a phone to another phone in a matter of seconds, do you know how crazy that is?
That sounds impossible.
It can't be done.
First of all, what's a video?
How is it made?
And how does it go through the air and land perfectly on Kyle's phone?
unidentified
Airdrop?
joe rogan
What the fuck is an airdrop?
kyle dunnigan
All those things...
Do not disclaim what I'm saying.
unidentified
Don't...
You know, there are times when you wish you were smarter.
kyle dunnigan
Yes, every day.
I just was a little bit...
No, but...
joe rogan
Discredit, right.
kyle dunnigan
The speed of light, you physically can't go faster because your mass would be infinite.
So we got our closest stars four light years away.
It takes a second for light to go to the moon.
It took us almost a week to get there going 18,000 miles an hour.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
We think of...
Going for four years, I just...
And also, if you've got to go that far, aren't you going to say hello and you're not just going to be in the sky and disappear?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, everything you said is very good, very important.
I don't think that all we know about propulsion and the ability to travel through space and time...
The same as a civilization that's been around for thousands of years longer than us.
So if there is a civilization out there, and I'm not saying there is, but if scientists believe that there should be, I mean there was a recent thing they were talking about, they're doing some sort of an equation about our own galaxy that said there might be as many as 36 intelligent life forms in terms of planets occupied by intelligent life forms in our galaxy.
So they don't really know, they're just kind of guessing.
But you gotta assume that if it happened once, in the right set of circumstances, it could happen again, if given enough time, and the planet doesn't get blown up.
Now, if what we know about people in 2020, I mean, we're talking about sending videos through the air, and fucking SpaceX is shooting people into space again, docking at the space station, and...
There's a lot of crazy shit we're doing that didn't exist at all 100 years ago.
So if we went 1,000 years from now, how fucking bonkers would be the inventions?
You've got to assume that each invention exponentially encourages more inventions to branch off of it.
kyle dunnigan
But...
It doesn't always...
I mean, when you look at...
We started off with planes, you know, the Wright brothers, and then we very quickly get into propellers and jet engines, and then we were rocketing, you know, to the moon, and like this.
And then...
So we were like, oh, in 85, we'll have flying cars, because that was the trajectory.
And it just went...
joe rogan
Well, they do have flying cars.
They just don't use them.
And they're not very good.
But they do exist.
You can do it.
kyle dunnigan
But the ones that we were imagining would be in the 80s.
joe rogan
Yeah, totally.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, that flattened off.
joe rogan
But there's also problems of everybody having a helicopter.
You know, helicopters were supposed to be the next form of transportation.
When a helicopter was invented, it was invented to...
People thought it was going to replace the car.
You're going to be able to just fucking...
Fly around in a helicopter.
kyle dunnigan
Everyone in their neighborhood is so badass.
They'd be so mad at you.
joe rogan
This fucking twat always lands a fucking helicopter when I'm trying to take a nap.
But that's, I think, it's still, it doesn't mean we can't do it.
Everybody could have a helicopter.
It's just not practical.
People can't afford it.
You can't land them.
The sky can't be full of helicopters the way the goddamn road is filled with cars.
We'd be dying.
We'd be slamming into each other left and right.
How would you make clear lanes and paths?
Maybe it could be done.
Maybe it could be done in the future.
Maybe it'll be more efficient or more energy efficient or won't, you know, it'll be electric so it won't fuck up the environment or something.
I don't know.
But they can do it.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, on the alien thing, I 100% think there's life on other planets.
I mean, just they found every star that they've looked at.
You know, they've got telescopes that have planets around it.
They didn't know that until recently.
So then you have to multiply how many more chances there are of life.
And it's...
joe rogan
Well, not only that.
kyle dunnigan
It would be bizarre if it wasn't.
joe rogan
The pictures they have of these planets are dog shit.
They're nothing.
They're nothing.
You can see pictures of the moon, and they're awesome pictures.
But pictures of planets in other galaxies?
You get like a speck.
You get like a speck, or they just, they recognize by the way the sun wobbles sometimes.
They find, yeah, they find what the star is, and they recognize that there's like a certain kind of a wobble to the image that's coming, so they talk.
unidentified
Pretty cool.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, pretty cool.
joe rogan
So they figure out that a planet's circling it, but there's no like real good photos.
We have photos of Venus.
It's insane, right?
Like Saturn or Jupiter.
Jupiter's photos are amazing, man.
Pull up a photo of Jupiter.
kyle dunnigan
I have a telescope.
joe rogan
Look at Saturn, man.
See, that's a photo that we have.
Just imagine if you were floating around near that thing and you could look at it and realize here's this lifeless, massive object that shares a solar system with us.
kyle dunnigan
I have a telescope on my lawn.
I can see Saturn's rings.
joe rogan
Can you really?
kyle dunnigan
And I can see Jupiter's moons.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you're one of those guys.
It's 845 million miles.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Pull out the Jupiter photo.
I remember there was an event that happened.
I don't remember what year it was, but a giant asteroid slammed into Jupiter.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And they realized, like, oh, wait a minute.
They are way bigger than we thought.
Like, when that happens, an asteroid slammed into Jupiter and the explosion was larger than the size of the Earth.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
They have pictures of that.
joe rogan
I think that's true.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, they do.
joe rogan
I might have made that up.
kyle dunnigan
No, you're right, I think.
joe rogan
Look at that, man.
Like, that's the impact.
kyle dunnigan
We need that big planet.
joe rogan
Look how it changed the color of the stripe.
kyle dunnigan
I heard that we wouldn't be here without Jupiter because it scoops up a lot of the asteroids.
joe rogan
Yeah, apparently it's so massive that it sucks things into it.
It said, each SL9 nucleus hurled material into space which left a large scar when it fell onto Jupiter.
God, it's so amazing to think that there's these enormous Miami-sized rocks.
Just flying through space.
And they could just slam into us.
And then everything's off.
Everything's off.
The electricity, the power, the lights, the sun.
You can't breathe.
You know, if you're anywhere near the impact, you're dead instantly.
Anywhere near, hundreds of miles, thousands of miles.
kyle dunnigan
Even in the atmosphere, I hear you burn up just from the heat of it.
joe rogan
Dude, you're so fucked.
You're so triple-double fucked.
kyle dunnigan
That volcano that you were talking about earlier?
Mm-hmm.
When's that supposed to blow up?
Because that'll kill everybody, right?
joe rogan
It's a caldera.
kyle dunnigan
Supervolcano.
joe rogan
It's a volcano that they didn't realize was a volcano until, like, they started using satellites, I believe.
They just thought that it was, like, seismically active.
kyle dunnigan
Hot springs.
joe rogan
Yeah, beautiful.
So pretty.
Dankjewiden.
And then one day, is that the actual impact?
Oh my god, you can see the impact.
Look at that.
Watch how it hits.
kyle dunnigan
And it breaks up.
joe rogan
Back it up.
Watch this.
Look at this.
Here's how it hits.
kyle dunnigan
The gravity breaks it up, I think, before it hits.
And so there's like a bunch of old pockmarks.
joe rogan
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Look at that.
So that explosion apparently was the size of the Earth.
jamie vernon
What if that wasn't what it was?
joe rogan
Find out if that's true.
I could maybe use aliens, bro.
Find out if that's true.
Was that explosion the size of the Earth?
kyle dunnigan
I think we shouldn't check any of what we were saying, just in case.
Let's just not check.
joe rogan
Assume we're right.
I don't know if I'm right, but I think it's somewhere in that range.
But if that hit us, man, that's a rapper.
kyle dunnigan
I think the red dot's about our size, the red storm.
joe rogan
And the thing is, man, there's fucking holes all over this planet where it hit.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Things hit here all the time.
There's like no rhyme or reason to it either.
It's not like they wouldn't hit us, man.
We're like really close to 5G nationwide.
They don't give a fuck.
Those rocks are flying out of nowhere.
And by the way, if you really want to see an end to racism, it'll be when a giant rock is coming from the sky to kill us all.
Then you realize how stupid it was to care.
kyle dunnigan
That's what's going to happen.
What were we all trying to feel different?
joe rogan
Racism, sexism, any kind of discrimination, homophobia, all of it's going to seem so stupid when you see a rock flying out of the sky.
They're like, my God, I've been so distracted!
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if they can even knock those things out.
jamie vernon
That was a little exaggeration.
It says one group of astronomers estimated the object to be 16.5 to 65 feet across.
joe rogan
Oh, same size.
unidentified
Roughly.
joe rogan
But the explosion.
Didn't they say the explosion was some massive amount?
jamie vernon
I thought I remembered that too, but that's not what I'm seeing.
joe rogan
What are they saying about the size of the explosion, though?
Because that was the thing that they were stunned by.
They were stunned by the actual size of the impact area, even though it is a gas giant.
So I don't know how the fuck it even...
What is happening?
What's happening when it hasn't...
kyle dunnigan
Maybe there's a hard core at the bottom.
joe rogan
Probably, right?
I don't even know.
How stupid am I? It's a gas giant.
It's just a gas giant.
I would say that real confidently if I knew someone was going to question me.
I'd be like, well, you know, Jupiter's a gas giant.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I'm very confident when my work can't be checked.
Venus, hottest planet in the solar system, and it's not the closest, and it's because of greenhouse gases.
joe rogan
Is that true?
kyle dunnigan
Which we're pumping into our atmosphere.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
We are.
kyle dunnigan
You can melt metal on the surface of Venus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Things.
I do notice more fires.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Well, the climate's certainly shifting.
But this is my point.
Not that there's anything wrong with recognizing that we're doing irreparable harm to the atmosphere.
We definitely are.
But we also should be aware that even if we weren't, this motherfucker is not stable.
It's not.
Even if people had a zero impact on the environment.
Absolute zero.
We don't take out.
We don't put back.
It's perfect.
It's a perfect balance and harmony.
We're still fucked.
kyle dunnigan
We're gonna die before that, probably.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're still fucked.
We need to wrap your head around that.
jamie vernon
I suppose that could be worded that way, that it was an Earth-sized explosion.
It does say that.
I mean, when you compare...
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
I told you, son.
kyle dunnigan
Look at that.
joe rogan
I told you, son.
jamie vernon
It would be close to the size.
joe rogan
I told you, son.
kyle dunnigan
But isn't the air nice in LA now?
I mean, I used to have to clean soot off my porch all the time, but now it's like...
joe rogan
Well, they burnt all those buildings down and just cleaned everything out.
kyle dunnigan
Which ones?
jamie vernon
All the ones they burnt down.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, from the riots?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, but the no working is great for the air.
Terrible for the economy, but super good for the air.
kyle dunnigan
If you are buying a $30,000 car, you have to buy a Tesla.
joe rogan
We're doing a Tesla ad.
A long one, too, right?
kyle dunnigan
I just feel like...
joe rogan
Has it been long?
kyle dunnigan
How much are they paying us?
joe rogan
A lot.
unidentified
Good.
joe rogan
They're paying us with...
He keeps making cool shit.
kyle dunnigan
It's amazing, though.
joe rogan
It's all you need.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I just want him to keep making cool stuff and succeed.
joe rogan
That Roadster is fucking vaporware, though, son.
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
When's that thing coming out?
kyle dunnigan
Oh, they had to push that.
unidentified
The Roadster.
joe rogan
You don't hear a goddamn word.
I want the Roadster, Elon.
I love the truck.
Where's the goddamn Roadster?
kyle dunnigan
Everything got bumped.
joe rogan
What?
Coming?
jamie vernon
This is three days old.
joe rogan
What is this?
That's a Taycan, bro.
That's a Porsche.
jamie vernon
See, new Tesla Roadster next to the Porsche Taycan.
joe rogan
That's the Roadster?
jamie vernon
It could be a CGI version, which does look like it is.
joe rogan
Looks super CGI. Doesn't look real.
Is that really the Roadster?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, it has the roof on it.
jamie vernon
It's not real.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
God damn, it's beautiful though.
kyle dunnigan
It's gonna have rockets in the back.
joe rogan
That is what it looks like though, even though that CGI, since my eyes suck anyway, for me, I could be tricked.
You know what I can't be tricked by though?
Model cars.
kyle dunnigan
What do you mean?
joe rogan
When I see a photo of a model car, even if it's perfect, it's so weird.
I don't know what that is, but there's a thing going on.
kyle dunnigan
Something microscopic with the shadows and right, something you're not conscious of.
joe rogan
Whatever it is, I'm like, bullshit!
kyle dunnigan
I call fake car.
joe rogan
But you know what I mean?
Like, how do you know that a model car is fake, but you do?
kyle dunnigan
I haven't honestly tried.
joe rogan
Jamie, please do me a favor.
kyle dunnigan
Jamie, can you fill some model cars?
joe rogan
Google.
What do you got here, buddy?
kyle dunnigan
I'll tell you.
joe rogan
The flying Tesla.
Oh, that's right.
It lifts off the ground.
jamie vernon
1.1 second.
kyle dunnigan
That's not happening.
joe rogan
0-60 in 1.1 seconds?
kyle dunnigan
What in the fuck is that?
joe rogan
What kind of nonsense was I just talking about?
What was I just saying?
kyle dunnigan
I mean, it's just been two hours of nonsense.
joe rogan
Jamie, anything?
jamie vernon
It's hard to hear and read at the same time.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, model cars, you can tell.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Please pull up a video, or a picture, rather, of a model car.
Pull up a...
Or a real one.
1969 Corvette model car.
Let's see that.
That sounds pretty reasonable.
Also, because it's a plastic car.
Like, the Corvette is actually a plastic vehicle.
Like, maybe that would be better to look at.
kyle dunnigan
But Jamie also...
Or pull up a real one and see if you can tell.
jamie vernon
I'm going to see if I can find a photographer that does magic and see if there's a good photo.
I don't want to look too hard.
joe rogan
But just give me a regular one first.
Just give me a regular one first to base it off of.
Because instantly you'll know.
And I don't know how you would ever describe this to other people.
kyle dunnigan
Let me see if I know.
joe rogan
That's a real car, bro.
I know that car.
That's actually a real car.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
That's a, what that is, is a, first of all, make that bigger again, because I might take as hard as a rock.
That is a goddamn beautiful, that is um, generation three.
That's a generation three Corvette, maybe like uh, I think between 67 and like in the early 70s.
That one's got the side pipes and they got an extra wide body kit on it.
And I got a boner.
That's America, fuck yeah.
Don't go away from that car.
Go back to that car, son.
Go back to that car.
No, no, no.
Go back.
Go back.
Here's the thing.
It's not.
Because that one's got a bold white stripe right down the fucking nose.
That's ebony and ivory.
They live together in perfect harmony on this 1969 Corvette.
I love the message of that.
Yes, with side pipes and flared fucking tires!
kyle dunnigan
That's what you don't get from an electric car is feeling an engine and pulling on a...
Shifting gears.
joe rogan
You don't get that.
You don't get the wildness.
You don't get any Leonard Skinner going on in the back of your head.
kyle dunnigan
You just get a...
joe rogan
But it's still...
It's better.
It's like if I had to choose one car to drive for the rest of my life, whether it be a Hot Rod every day or a Tesla, I'd be like, I'm going to take the Tesla.
I remember the Hot Rod.
It's going to be always awesome.
kyle dunnigan
You have the fastest Tesla.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
jamie vernon
That's real.
kyle dunnigan
Also, just never going to the gas station is such a pleasure.
joe rogan
God, it's so pretty.
Just pull up a model car.
Okay, that's a model car.
kyle dunnigan
I don't...
joe rogan
Is that a model car?
It's hard to tell.
unidentified
It's a shitty photo.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, the steering wheel is...
joe rogan
It looks a little fake, but it's a shitty photo.
It's hard to tell.
The resolution's not very good.
Go to model car photos.
jamie vernon
That's what I have.
That's literally what I typed in, and that's not what's coming up.
joe rogan
Oh, these cunts.
They're trying to trick you.
jamie vernon
There's one.
It's not a good picture.
joe rogan
Alright, let's try model car 65 Mustang.
Let's try one of those.
Because the problem with these is, like, there's probably not as many model...
I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of them.
jamie vernon
I would assume there's got to be an Instagram account.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, someone must.
kyle dunnigan
I know what I will have.
joe rogan
Click on that green one with the box.
That's a fake one?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, there you can tell.
That's a fake.
jamie vernon
It's really small.
You can't see it.
That's fake, too, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's hard to tell.
That looks fake as fuck.
No, but make it larger.
That's a perfect example, actually.
Look.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, something about you is like, nah, player.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
You look at that.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, what is it, though?
joe rogan
I don't know, Jamie.
Look at it.
What is it?
Something about that...
kyle dunnigan
I mean, where it is, it's like in the middle of a white...
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I know it's little.
kyle dunnigan
I wonder if you put some people around that and some tire marks.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I think even if you CGI'd people onto that picture that were like normal-sized people relative to that car, just keep it still for a second.
Even if you CGI'd people on that, you would still be like, I don't buy it.
There's something about the perspective.
Here's one of the things.
It's because it's a photograph, right?
It's not a digital photograph because you look at how it blurs in the background.
Am I right, Jamie?
jamie vernon
A little.
joe rogan
A little bit?
jamie vernon
That's just added in.
joe rogan
Oh, it's added in?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
jamie vernon
Could be with the camera.
joe rogan
But I think that's also, you recognize perspective.
And you're like, just by the way the light is playing off that thing, it seems off.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it does have a force tilt shift perspective, which wouldn't normally happen.
Which gives things a miniature look.
Out of the gate, it makes things look fake.
joe rogan
Right, that might be a real car that they made look fake.
jamie vernon
Right, right.
kyle dunnigan
It's amazing what happens in your subconscious.
We're not even sure what's wrong.
jamie vernon
That has no blur on it.
joe rogan
That is no blur.
See, that's a shitty picture, though.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
You really kind of want to look...
jamie vernon
I'll make my Instagram account.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet there's a lot of dudes who are seriously into those fucking things.
Miniature cars.
kyle dunnigan
Cool dudes.
joe rogan
They have little displays of them around their house.
kyle dunnigan
Would you like to see my...
Anything you collect, I think, is that women aren't into.
unidentified
There's nothing where women are like, oh, that's cool you collect X. Do you think when no one's around, they make the vroom vroom sound?
kyle dunnigan
Oh my god, I had a roommate once.
Do you remember when that Star Wars came out with a two-sided lightsaber?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's right.
kyle dunnigan
Darth Maul.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I had a roommate in New York who was starting to just stand up and everything.
I come home, he's on his bed going, wow, wow, wow.
Grown man.
unidentified
I bet it made him feel happy.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, but then he felt humiliation.
joe rogan
If they came to him in the middle of the night and they said, listen, you don't have to live this life anymore.
You'll live the same exact amount of years, but you're going to live as Darth Maul.
kyle dunnigan
Is there ever a time where you would have changed your life?
I assume no.
Like a dark time, like, you know what, I'm going to switch this up.
joe rogan
No, I enjoy life.
I'm having fun.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think I enjoy...
There's like weird challenges to life.
That's part of what's fun about it.
Like the part of what's fun is overcoming the things that are not fun.
Just like figuring your way through problems and getting better at things and learning things and criticizing yourself and all that shit.
If you go into the matrix, man, all that's over.
Or are you already there?
kyle dunnigan
The thing I don't think is right about it is I think you can program the matrix to be annoying and hard.
joe rogan
100%.
If you're going to program it to be life, just fuck it up and make it like life is now.
And then, like, that's the natural course of progression.
That's the only way to keep entropy.
It's the only way to keep things moving.
kyle dunnigan
I'm going to look back for it up.
joe rogan
Good and bad.
You have to have all the things together.
It's the only way things get done.
You have to have struggles, otherwise no improvement gets made.
You have to have trauma, otherwise love is not appreciated.
You have to have all those things.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
That's like a rich...
What's the thing that people load the most?
It might be a rich son.
kyle dunnigan
Absolutely.
joe rogan
A son who's arrogant, didn't have to work for it, he's a piece of shit, he's mean to people.
kyle dunnigan
And he's miserable.
joe rogan
And he didn't do anything to get it.
That's a miserable fuck.
kyle dunnigan
I'm the happiest when I'm working really hard on something.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
And when it's done, like when you make one of those videos, and then you get a bunch of positive feedback from it, that's gotta be amazingly satisfying.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I mean, I do it for free.
And also, like, Kurt Metzger helped with that last one.
Well, Kurt's fucking great.
Kurt's hilarious.
joe rogan
He's great.
kyle dunnigan
And we're working on making a show, and it's like we're working so hard and no one is even asking for it, but it's really satisfying and I don't really care about the money.
joe rogan
I feel like you just keep doing those goddamn Instagram videos if you can.
Just keep doing them.
It's undeniable.
It's so good.
Some of those are so good.
They're so mean.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, it's funny.
I look back and go, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, they're so funny.
unidentified
I know.
kyle dunnigan
Well, Bill Maher asked for it.
I mean, I didn't want to make a video of Bill Maher getting gangbanged, but he came on this program and he said, my impression sucked.
He was asking for it.
What am I supposed to do?
Sit there?
joe rogan
Listen, I'm on your side with that one.
By the way, it's very funny.
He should be laughing at that.
That shit was hilarious.
kyle dunnigan
Even if you hate someone's impression, you have to pretend you like it.
There's no saying...
joe rogan
You can't lie.
You can't say it's not good.
It's really good.
Don't lie.
kyle dunnigan
When you said, oh, let's play it, he was like, I'm leaving.
He threatened to leave if you played it.
And by the way, and I don't want to...
I'm really not mad at Bill Maher.
I like having a nemesis.
It kind of feels good.
joe rogan
I like Bill Maher a lot.
kyle dunnigan
I agree with a lot of what he says.
joe rogan
The rants that he's been doing during COVID have been the very best.
The rants that he does at the beginning of his show, they're great, man.
They're great.
He's doing them with no audience, but they've been really funny and really good points.
It's like he's actually ramped it up during this pandemic.
Some of those beginning of the show rants are excellent.
kyle dunnigan
He's great writers.
joe rogan
They got great writers, man.
It's a treasure.
That shows a national treasure.
kyle dunnigan
But he did get gang banged in my video.
unidentified
In your video, you get gang banged.
joe rogan
Both those things exist together.
kyle dunnigan
Exactly.
But also, he acted like, alright, anyway.
joe rogan
Yes, you got a little bitter because he pretended he didn't exist.
kyle dunnigan
I went to Hawaii with him in his private plane.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
He's like, I don't know him.
Now, in his defense, I'm sure I was invisible to him and he forgot me.
But like, yeah, we went to the beach, we went to dinners.
And then he kind of got, because he did know about the videos, and he told you he didn't, and then he kind of, anyway, listen, he's fine.
joe rogan
I get it, but I think, with all due respect, I think he's just looking at it the wrong way.
I think it's funny, and I think it doesn't make him any less brilliant, it doesn't make his show any less great.
And the show is great, and I think we both admit it.
Those rants are brilliant.
They're brilliant.
I love his rants.
I've tweeted a few of them out and said, like, bravo.
I tweeted them out.
kyle dunnigan
It paid me to make a video where he was getting gangbanged.
joe rogan
Did it really hurt?
kyle dunnigan
It hurt me.
I didn't want to do it.
joe rogan
It should.
unidentified
It should.
joe rogan
It's so funny, man.
It's so funny.
And this is coming from a guy who's a fan of Bill Maher.
I was laughing hard at that video.
kyle dunnigan
I love that you showed your wife and she was like, what's wrong with you?
There is a...
Comedy is, you know, it's different tastes, different strokes, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, it is, but it's also like...
Come on, man.
If you lighten up, it's almost all funny.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, there's some fart videos.
I think fart videos can...
There's a place for them, I don't think.
joe rogan
There's a place for them.
kyle dunnigan
But some people don't like them, and I hear about it.
joe rogan
There's a place for them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, a good fart.
One of the funniest, that movie Norbit with Eddie Murphy.
kyle dunnigan
Never saw it.
joe rogan
I saw it two nights ago.
It was amazing.
He plays three people in the movie.
I didn't see it.
I think it came out in 2007. I didn't see it.
Wait, Norbit?
Norbit, yeah.
Eddie Murphy plays like a nerd character.
He plays the nerd's wife, and then he plays this guy who owns this orphanage.
He plays a Chinese guy.
Dude, it is amazing.
It's so funny.
The funny parts, the moment where he hits the big laughs...
You're like, holy shit, that's him and him.
So that's Eddie playing the wife, this enormous woman who rescues him from a sandbox, spoiler alert, when he's a little kid and basically kidnaps him and makes him become her husband.
One of her brothers is Terry Crews, and the other brothers are two dudes who are built just like Terry Crews, just big fucking giant dudes, just super jacked, and they're all trying to run some scam on this lady, and Norbert has to fucking step in and save the day.
Dude, I'm telling you, it's so silly.
It's so fun.
I laughed so hard at this movie.
unidentified
So hard.
kyle dunnigan
These are kind of movies that I want to watch now that are just ridiculous.
So silly.
Can we get the Rotten Tomatoes on that?
joe rogan
It's probably like 3%.
Dude, they can suck my dick.
That's a great movie.
It's a funny movie.
What does Rotten Tomatoes say?
9%?
kyle dunnigan
Wait a minute.
They're wrong.
They're wrong.
You gotta trust me.
joe rogan
They're wrong.
They're wrong.
Sacrifice the sacred plant to the fire gods.
kyle dunnigan
How does it get a nine, though?
joe rogan
They're assholes.
Bunch of assholes in the world.
They hate life.
It's fucking great, man.
Listen, I know it's funny.
I laughed hard at that movie.
I laughed hard.
They just were looking for it to be something else.
I mean, the movie was basically like absurdist, It was really funny, man.
And Eddie Murphy played this racist Chinese guy who would say racist shit to him.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, that's him right there.
joe rogan
But it's him saying it.
It's not a Chinese guy.
And it's in 2007, so it flies.
Because Eddie probably couldn't even get away with doing that today.
People would get so upset if they didn't realize it was Eddie saying that to Eddie.
kyle dunnigan
Do you think we'll ever get back to a point where...
I think we already brought this up, but like...
We can do some other culture.
I know you can do Italians, and you can do...
joe rogan
You can make fun of Italians, Irish people, English people.
You just can't make fun of anybody that we decide is disenfranchised or recent immigrants.
kyle dunnigan
Let's say it flips.
And then Asians are running America.
Can there be comedy where a white guy does an Asian...
joe rogan
There can be that right now.
Nobody cares.
kyle dunnigan
I think you can't do that.
joe rogan
Listen, man, a black guy can do whiteface with zero problems.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's because there was never an Al Jolson for white people.
Right?
kyle dunnigan
Isn't that what it is?
joe rogan
Probably part of me.
Fucking dancing with the white gloves on.
What is that?
kyle dunnigan
It's bad.
On top of everything else, what's...
joe rogan
I would pay $1,000 for an Oculus game that puts you and me in the front row.
We both put the headphones on.
kyle dunnigan
Just to be uncomfortable.
joe rogan
We sit down on Apple boxes.
We watch a minstrel show that's in a tent in the middle of Kansas in the early 1900s when you're like, oh my gosh, should I just kill myself?
Like if you know how this thing turns out.
kyle dunnigan
That's one of the last places.
If I could go through time or put one of those Oculus things on, it would be...
It seems like it would just be really uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Dude, Dorothy was happy she got picked up by a goddamn tornado.
She was happy.
She got brought to the Land of Oz.
She got ruby slippers.
kyle dunnigan
Her poor life.
Hear about the munchkins were molesting her?
The real munchkins?
unidentified
I don't know.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, there she is.
joe rogan
That's her?
Judy Garland with blackface?
Oh my god, that's crazy.
kyle dunnigan
Normal thing.
joe rogan
She went blackface with buckwheat hair.
She doubled it up.
unidentified
God, it just...
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Wow.
But that was a normal thing.
It's like they decided that...
I guess they decided that...
They wanted to put black people in films without putting actual black people in films and making them famous.
So they said, we've got to work around here to make white people black people.
And everyone's going to know.
Like, did they know what Al Jolson looked like in real life?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Or was it like Kiss in the 70s?
kyle dunnigan
I have a problem with Kiss because I had a roommate in college who loved Kiss.
And he had a girlfriend in our little tiny dorm room.
Oh no.
It's like a college where it's zero degrees out.
You have the windows open.
I have to get up because I'd be breathing frost.
And he would bang this girl and he just loved kids.
And he'd take triple dip acid, go out and stare at the sun and come back.
And then one day he rearranged our furniture.
So I come home and the door won't open.
And he put the refrigerator in front of the door.
And he's like, I rearranged the apartment.
I'm like, you can't put the...
We can't open the door.
He was just so high.
Anyway, I associate Kiss with him.
I'll never like Kiss.
Boy, that guy can sell, though.
Gene?
joe rogan
Oh, he sells.
Paul Stanley can sing his ass off, too.
There's some great fucking songs.
Kiss had some great songs.
Come on and love me.
You ever hear that song?
kyle dunnigan
How's that go?
joe rogan
Wish I could play it for you.
Get pulled off the YouTube.
unidentified
I know.
kyle dunnigan
I know.
Beth, what can I do?
joe rogan
That's a great song.
kyle dunnigan
It's a good song.
joe rogan
I want to rock and roll all night.
kyle dunnigan
I party every day.
I don't like that song so much.
That's not bad, I guess.
unidentified
I want to rock it.
kyle dunnigan
I have too much kiss trauma.
joe rogan
You gotta let it go, man.
It's a great band.
I had the total opposite.
My uncle was an artist for the very talent company or the advertising company that did their album covers.
Oh, those are great.
Yeah, my uncle worked in the place.
God, I'm trying to remember the name of the album.
This is Paul Stanley right here.
Gene Simmons, son.
Old school.
kyle dunnigan
Branding was so good.
joe rogan
This is like Kiss Alive Two Days.
I know what the fuck this is, son.
kyle dunnigan
You know what the fuck's going on.
joe rogan
This is a great fucking music, man.
For me, it just locks me into that time.
kyle dunnigan
So you can't show it because then they'll charge you a royalty?
Oh man, life.
joe rogan
Dude, we had...
Gary Clark Jr. did a cover of Midnight Rider.
Cover of it.
And we played the cover for Instagram.
kyle dunnigan
Oh no, what did they charge you for that?
joe rogan
They took the fucking...
They just take your money.
Give me that fucking money, that's ours.
kyle dunnigan
I cannot make money.
joe rogan
They own the song.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Even the cover.
Which, by the way, he needs to release that.
He needs to release that.
If I do anything before I die, I need to talk Honey Honey and Gary Clark Jr. into doing another version of Midnight Rider.
kyle dunnigan
That's got to be here before you die.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard it?
kyle dunnigan
No.
joe rogan
Can I play it for you?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Play it for him.
How much does this cost?
Let him take the money.
These fucks.
These fucking thieves.
unidentified
You fucking thieves.
joe rogan
The one that they did on the Instagram.
Yeah, it's just so distinctive.
So good.
They have YouTube copyright claims and all kinds of stuff.
You can't show parts of films.
If it was up to me, I would start off every podcast with Clint Eastwood talking to the Comanches.
These are my words of life and also my words of death.
kyle dunnigan
These are my words of life.
joe rogan
Ever see that?
In the Outlaw Josie Wales?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
So this is them.
This is a small club in downtown.
And there's probably like...
kyle dunnigan
Sorry, who is this?
joe rogan
That's my friend Suzanne Santo and Ben Jaffe.
They're a band called Honey Honey.
And that motherfucker behind the guitar is one of the baddest to ever do it.
unidentified
That's Gary Clark Jr. I just thought about being...
kyle dunnigan
How long it's been since I've been in a club of any kind.
joe rogan
I know, right?
I'm doing Houston next weekend.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm doing the improv.
kyle dunnigan
Do they give you any, I don't know, restriction amount of people?
joe rogan
Don't spit in people's mouths.
kyle dunnigan
That was your big closer.
joe rogan
That's how it was going to end.
No, man.
Just go have some fun.
kyle dunnigan
They don't have like a restriction on number of people in the room or anything?
joe rogan
75% capacity.
They trimmed it down only 25%.
Just take care of yourself, folks.
Get your vitamins in.
Get in the sauna.
Take your vitamin D. Wear a fucking mask.
Do what you gotta do.
kyle dunnigan
Is that true that D is the important one?
joe rogan
It's huge.
It's huge.
It's huge for a lot of things.
It's huge for muscle development.
It's huge for brain function.
It's a hormone, apparently.
As well, according to Dr. Rhonda Patrick, she's been on my podcast before, she was explaining that all these people that were in the intensive care union with COVID A giant percentage of them, like more than 80% of them in one study, had insufficient levels of vitamin D. And only 4% had sufficient levels.
And so then she told me that 70% of the United States is deficient in vitamin D. 70%.
kyle dunnigan
Because we're not in the sun as much?
joe rogan
Exactly.
And only 29% have sufficient vitamin D, which is just like bonkers.
Only 29%, oh no, no, no, no, excuse me.
29% What was it?
I want to say had insufficient.
I'm fucking the numbers up.
But there was a very small number of people, like if it was 70% or deficient, there was a certain number of people that had insufficient levels to the point where they were vulnerable, their immune system was vulnerable, and they could get more diseases.
It was a large number.
I'm fucking up the number, though.
kyle dunnigan
I'm always low on D. You don't go outside, man.
joe rogan
If you don't go outside and you don't take it, you're not going to get it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I do take it.
joe rogan
But what they're discovering is there's a lot of things that have to interact together in your body to keep you healthy.
You have to have electrolytes.
You have to have amino acids.
You have to have vitamins.
You have to have all these things.
And when one of them is missing, and one of them is severely missing, and a really important one like vitamin D, The whole thing gets thrown into whack and you get vulnerable.
That's part of what we're showing here.
There's a metabolic vulnerability that a lot of people have.
And it's not just that the virus is scary, but it's also that people have really fucked up immune systems because they're not healthy, because they're not getting enough vitamins.
When you find all these athletes That catch this disease and shake it off like it's nothing.
You gotta go, okay, we were talking yesterday about these NBA players that got it.
No symptoms.
They just got it.
And then they're fine.
I know a bunch of people that have got it like that.
Like, man, I don't know.
I think this is showing vulnerability.
And people's immune systems more than anything.
We should be really concerned about that.
On top of being concerned about spreading the disease, god damn, we gotta spread information on how to strengthen your immune system.
kyle dunnigan
Well yeah, I mean that vitamin D is probably a good tip.
joe rogan
It's a good tip, but it's only the tip of the iceberg.
The water is important.
Drink a lot of water, stay hydrated, have a lot of electrolytes, have vitamins, all the vitamins.
kyle dunnigan
Risky, pot.
joe rogan
Make sure you get high at least once a day so you can sleep good and be scared all the time.
There's a lot of shit going on, man, but we're only here on one side.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I haven't been to the doctor in a while.
Knock on wood, I feel pretty healthy.
I was diagnosed with celiac disease.
joe rogan
You're going to be in the doctor after Bill Maher finds you.
kyle dunnigan
Should I be scared of him?
I should be shivering.
joe rogan
He might get aggressive with you.
kyle dunnigan
What would Bill Maher do?
Swing right for your dick.
Don't shoot my dick with cocaine, Bill Maher.
Okay, people.
unidentified
Here comes cocaine into your cock, okay?
kyle dunnigan
You fuck.
joe rogan
That's so good.
That's such a good impression.
Anyone who says it's not a good impression, come on, man.
kyle dunnigan
I do a lot of impressions.
They're not all good.
I think my Elon's pretty weak, but my bill's pretty good.
joe rogan
Your bill's pretty good.
It's very good.
kyle dunnigan
You're Caitlyn Jenner.
joe rogan
Caitlyn Jenner is her voice now.
unidentified
Yeah, baby!
joe rogan
That's her voice now.
I don't see her speaking any other way.
Why do you have those noises you had to say?
kyle dunnigan
Well, she does that because she's...
I think she's alone a lot and she answers herself.
You know, she'll be like, hey, I want you to get some shoes.
And she's going, yeah.
And then I bought some Jimmy shoes.
unidentified
How weird.
kyle dunnigan
Where's Kim?
joe rogan
Anybody that thinks that's a superficial aspect of our culture today, you're out of your mind.
That Bruce Jenner is now Caitlyn Jenner, it's no big deal.
The weirdness of it, not saying that she shouldn't be able to do that, she absolutely should, but the weirdness of that sort of defines how crazy life is today.
It's almost like you're seeing these little hints when you're getting close to the end of the game.
kyle dunnigan
Nah!
joe rogan
The narrative's falling apart.
The fucking plot gets weirder and weirder.
You're like, oh my god, when is the big reveal?
kyle dunnigan
He's at Olympic.
joe rogan
And then at the end of it, aliens.
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Well you watch that new, now there's a new footage or simulation of the car crash.
Because originally I thought the lady stopped in front of him, but her, it was him, it was Bruce at the time.
But it looks like now that she just plowed right through these two people.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
And pushed him right into traffic, right?
kyle dunnigan
And died, yeah.
I don't know if this simulation is right, but the one I saw in the new theory is that like...
joe rogan
She was on her phone?
kyle dunnigan
They didn't know what she was doing, but the lady in front of her didn't slam on her brakes.
It was like they were slowing down for her life.
joe rogan
Let me tell you how progressive I feel saying she.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I keep saying she.
unidentified
She.
kyle dunnigan
You are.
You're a hero.
joe rogan
I think she was Bruce back then.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, she was Bruce.
joe rogan
So, what do you say about that?
unidentified
Yeah, Bruce did it!
kyle dunnigan
God, that Bruce can't drive, huh?
Anyway, Woman of the Year, baby!
joe rogan
That's what happened.
Woman of the Year after that.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Pretty soon after.
joe rogan
Pretty weird.
Kind of weird.
kyle dunnigan
How does the family feel that their mom died and then they're like, oh, the speech of the woman of the year.
joe rogan
I'm pretty upset about that.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, I don't know what the accent was exactly, but it...
It looks like pretty bad.
joe rogan
But it's weird how rarely it's discussed.
That's what's weird.
kyle dunnigan
Well, it came at such a time where you were transphobic if you said anything about her.
So it was like the perfect timing for murder.
It wasn't murder.
joe rogan
For someone getting away with it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody was so enthralled with the idea that she was beautiful.
Like there was things you had to say.
Yeah, beautiful, hero, brave.
And I'm like, hey, hey, hey.
kyle dunnigan
And also that was Bruce.
And it was like you couldn't even say really comfortably Bruce anymore.
And so Caitlin didn't do it.
joe rogan
Caitlin didn't do it.
unidentified
Literally like she dodged the bullet.
kyle dunnigan
Perfect timing.
If you're gonna scream someone into a Hummer across traffic, that's a good time.
joe rogan
I wonder if that was what pushed her to come out.
kyle dunnigan
You know what?
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
kyle dunnigan
Let's assume.
Let's stop researching.
joe rogan
Was she out before that?
kyle dunnigan
She definitely was having long hair.
joe rogan
We're just talking.
Again, we're making up.
kyle dunnigan
We're just making stuff.
joe rogan
We don't know.
You must be homophobic.
Or transphobic.
kyle dunnigan
But that may have hurried things up.
joe rogan
It might have been the catalyst.
kyle dunnigan
I would have.
I'll tell you, if I did that and I was transitioning anyway, I'd bump up that appointment.
joe rogan
Imagine if there was like a PR guy and he's like, I got a plan.
kyle dunnigan
Well, I mean, anybody.
Everyone in your family with a vagina is making a lot of money.
joe rogan
You're doing terrible.
I mean, come on, who's going to fuck you now anyway?
kyle dunnigan
Rob's next.
joe rogan
Let's get this party started.
unidentified
All right.
kyle dunnigan
Let's keep that action and hush hush.
Look at my garden.
You know what's funny about this celebrity?
joe rogan
Do you know she's seen it?
kyle dunnigan
Oh, I know Chloe made a video where she was like, we're mad at you.
She kept doing that, but didn't say my...
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
kyle dunnigan
I have a video where they just all say that.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
So I think she saw that one.
Look, they must have a good sense of humor.
They've been taking abuse for more than a decade now.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I think mine's so cartoonish.
unidentified
Yeah, I know, when you make the noises.
kyle dunnigan
Oh.
unidentified
Ding, ding, yum, yum.
Dirt, doi.
Oh!
kyle dunnigan
My two girls!
joe rogan
Bro, I saw somebody actually quote, I saw somebody on Twitter that actually said, stop calling people Karens, it's misogynistic, and it's just a convenient way of you saying bitch.
kyle dunnigan
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is so funny!
People just can't stop.
They can't stop correcting people.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They can't stop telling people what to do.
Their life is a fucking mess, and they can't stop correcting other people.
kyle dunnigan
It's gotta feel good.
You gotta get some charge out of it.
joe rogan
Can you imagine you can't call people a Karen?
I know a lot of Karens, and they're really nice people, so fuck off.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, Karens are great.
The haircut I love.
The little angled haircut.
joe rogan
But there's, like, women.
Their name is Karen.
There's nothing wrong with that.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
Actual Karens.
joe rogan
But if you complain...
kyle dunnigan
You're a Karen.
joe rogan
It's just gonna stick around.
Someone's saying don't call women a Karen.
kyle dunnigan
Is a Karen.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so dumb.
You're so silly.
Like, you should be laughing at all this.
This is not...
If your name is Karen, well, I could get why you're upset.
For all these years, you skated by.
And then for fucking whatever reason, Karen became the complaining white lady.
kyle dunnigan
Do you know how?
Was it first a Karen?
Was patient zero a Karen?
joe rogan
I have no idea.
unidentified
Maybe.
kyle dunnigan
It's a great name for it.
joe rogan
It's a perfect name.
Maybe that's why.
It just seems perfect.
Yeah.
Who else would it be?
kyle dunnigan
Karen's calling the manager.
unidentified
Helen.
joe rogan
Maybe a Helen.
kyle dunnigan
Helen's too old.
joe rogan
Right.
Helen's mean.
kyle dunnigan
Caitlyn's too, or Katherine.
joe rogan
Caitlyn's owned by Caitlyn Jenna forever.
No kids calling their daughter Caitlyn now.
It's like just too risky.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, Caitlyn.
joe rogan
Caitlyn is...
It's like you can't call your kid Madonna.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
You can't call your kid Caitlyn either.
kyle dunnigan
Madonna's parents shouldn't have called her Madonna.
joe rogan
I don't think they did.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, she made that up?
joe rogan
I think she, yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Her last name is a Cuchione or something.
Cuchione.
joe rogan
Something like that.
I think she had a real name at one point in time in her life.
kyle dunnigan
She's fallen...
She's...
I don't know.
joe rogan
Are you trying to be nice?
kyle dunnigan
No, I'm just like, I don't have enough information with anything I've said today, so I'm stopping myself.
I hear rumors and I let people know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good move.
Just spread the word.
Let the information...
kyle dunnigan
It's not stopping anybody else.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
It doesn't matter, even with all this information that's available.
kyle dunnigan
Why should I look something up?
joe rogan
Yeah, why should you?
These fucks.
They want you to do what they don't even do?
kyle dunnigan
They're bidding.
There is a lot of conversations, I don't know if you've noticed, where...
Where you think you're having a conversation with somebody, but really they're just checking if you agree with every single thing they're saying.
And then you get this venom if you diverge from...
It's really weird, but I've had a few bump-ins with people.
joe rogan
So that if you diverge from their ideology at all, they get venom?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
I mean, the rage that comes up surprised me a couple of times.
Like a cult feeling of you're saying the wrong...
I don't know.
joe rogan
What were the subjects?
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
I mean, black lives matter.
I mean, you know, my brother's a cop, and so it's like I have a little...
joe rogan
Well, you are in a position...
You agree, I think, with a lot of reasonable people that what that guy did was horrific.
kyle dunnigan
100%.
Murder, awful, and good.
Put him in jail forever.
And there's definitely racism, and it's something definitely that we...
joe rogan
Well, there's also a personal issue with that guy and the cop, apparently.
You know about that?
They apparently worked together, and then they had words.
Oh, they did.
Yeah.
Because the cop was apparently very aggressive towards customers and they got angry at each other over it.
So this is a personal thing in a lot of ways.
But that said, defunding the police is crazy.
kyle dunnigan
That's a very dumb idea.
I mean, they're underfunded.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
It's also, the job, I just know, it's just so hard.
Imagine going to where people are being assholes every day, all day, for decades, and you've just...
It's just a...
They would never do this, but I think part of reform should be meditation.
I mean, they would never do this.
But you wake up in the morning, you put a bulletproof vest on, you go to work, you say about your family.
It's really mentally anguishing.
And this is not to say there isn't racism, not something to deal with.
I think it's great what's happening, but it's just...
I don't...
I personally get...
When the pendulum's falling too hard the other way against police, when the vast majority...
And my brother's just like a really nice, emotionally intelligent guy who's just suddenly getting spit on and stuff.
It's just like...
It doesn't feel good.
joe rogan
It's people being very short-sighted.
You need the police.
You need the police.
You just need a better trained police.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, if...
I mean, if the other side didn't have guns, I'd be like, okay, I'd take away their guns.
joe rogan
But even then, man, you're going to have bigger, stronger people taking your shit because you don't have guns.
Listen, none of it is good.
You need the police.
The police need to be better funded.
They need to be better trained.
And they, like all of us, need to get better.
I think the police of today are probably way better than the police of 50 years ago.
But that's still...
When you see what some of them have done to peaceful protesters while letting looters get away with it, this system is broken.
There's no way it's not broken.
kyle dunnigan
It's a huge mess.
And hopefully, like you said, it'll get ironed out and stuff.
joe rogan
Well, Minneapolis is going to be an interesting case study because if they do defund their police, I don't know what they're going to replace it with or how they're going to redo it.
I hope they redo it with more money, but it doesn't seem like they're going to.
They should pay people more money because it's a fucking horrifically dangerous job.
And they should train people much better.
And they should train people more often.
That is it.
kyle dunnigan
Because if you don't get into a situation...
And often, I mean, you know from jujitsu probably, you need to keep training to be calm.
A lot of these cops and all that mistakes happen because they're freaked out and their adrenaline is running.
joe rogan
It's a bad decision.
And they don't have any confidence in handling themselves.
And all of a sudden they're in a physical confrontation with some guy who's been thinking about punching them for the last three minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy's thinking, when should I punch this cop?
When should I punch this cop?
No, sir.
No, sir.
I didn't think I was going fast.
He's thinking, I'm going to punch this motherfucker.
I'm just waiting for my time.
And then, boom, all of a sudden, you're in a physical confrontation.
You don't know what to do.
kyle dunnigan
If you get hit first, you're in trouble.
And also, there's a gun.
It's not like the cop has a gun.
Once you're wrestling, it's a...
joe rogan
So cops never know when to pull their gun.
And then there's also sociopaths.
You've got guys who are cops that are sociopaths.
They can't wait to kill people.
They can't wait to shoot people.
They want a thrill.
They don't feel anything in regular life.
They want to be able to kill somebody and blame it on, you know, this person's a criminal or whatever.
There are real people that want to shoot people.
I mean, that's a part of life, too.
And we've seen videos, man.
We've seen videos of people shooting people and cops shooting people for no fucking reason.
It's horrific.
And I think it's just a symptom of the job, man.
Because it's a...
It's happening all over the place.
It seems like whenever cops get ramped up, and they have a lot of power, and they're holding a gun, there's a person in front of them, and there's some sort of a dispute, and they're yelling, get on the fucking ground!
That guy might get shot.
That guy might get shot, whether that guy's Asian, or European, or black.
He's gonna get shot by the right guy in the right situation.
And that's what the statistics show.
Statistics show that although there are these horrific cases like that George Floyd case where you get to watch it, there's less of those than there were in like 2015. There's less.
Doesn't mean it's good, but there's less black men are killed by cops now than there was before.
But one is too many.
And when you see that, part of what you're seeing is not just racism.
You're also seeing just the abuse that comes when someone has that kind of power over people.
And they're a simple-minded fuckhead.
And you've given them the kind of power that a cop has.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, there's some bad...
joe rogan
Bad fucking people, man.
There's bad people that do every job, man.
There's bad people that are construction workers, there's bad people that are cops.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the problem is when they fuck up, it's so public and it's such a big deal because they have so much more power, right?
Their position is so crazy.
The guy who has a gun, who's literally telling you, get on the fucking ground, you have to listen to him.
I mean, no other time in life do you have to listen to a man tell you to get on the ground.
This guy is actually working for you?
He's working with your tax dollars?
You pay for the police?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, this is crazy.
This guy's about to shoot me and I pay him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and it's weird, you know, because if it was a regular guy telling you to get on the ground, he'd be like, why?
You know, because I smell weed.
Like, fuck you.
Like, you're just a regular guy.
But because he's a cop, even though he's still a regular guy, he has all this power to tell you what to do.
It's fucking very strange.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Like, just being a cop psychologically is very strange.
kyle dunnigan
In a lot of ways...
joe rogan
You need strong people to do that job.
That's what you need.
You need to pay them well.
kyle dunnigan
It's just like who now is going to be like, I want to be a cop when I grow up.
joe rogan
Somebody needs to come forth and say that.
Some governor needs to say that in an eloquent way.
Like, you guys are looking at this wrong.
We need better people.
We need to put more money into the community, more money into the police force, more money into training these fucking people.
We need to make everybody safer.
The way to make people safer is not have less cops and less funding.
It's to have...
Better cops, better paid cops, maybe even more cops and more funding and make sure that they never fucking do that, ever.
And any abuse at all, you instantly get rid of them.
Any abuse at all.
Everyone's wearing a body camera, no exceptions.
Every altercation gets reviewed.
Any abuse gets reported and you can't do that, man.
And if you don't know how to handle someone without getting abusive, And you're doing an ineffective version of that job.
And you're probably dangerous to other cops because you're gonna leave it in that person's head that cops are assholes.
Cops treat you like shit.
Cops hit you.
Whenever a cop does that for no reason, he doesn't just fuck over that person.
He fucks over all the people who watch that video.
All the people who get mad at cops.
And that's what you're seeing today.
You're seeing this probably, even though it's less, things are happening To folks because of bad cops, more people are seeing it than ever before.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
So our idea of what a cop is is just way out of whack right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
And that town in Seattle, what happened there?
There was no police and they just took over?
joe rogan
It's a festival.
kyle dunnigan
I don't understand.
joe rogan
They're having fun.
kyle dunnigan
I don't understand how they were like, hey, scram!
And the cops were like, I can't go in there.
They don't want me in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, I don't know how that's going to play out.
kyle dunnigan
I'm sure good.
I'm sure that will end well.
joe rogan
Chaz.
It's called the Chaz.
kyle dunnigan
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Autonomous Zone.
Capital Hill Autonomous Zone.
They call it Chaz.
kyle dunnigan
How did they get, say, leave cops and the cops left?
Like, what was that moment?
joe rogan
Well, if I had to guess, it's because there's not enough cops.
They're not well-funded, weren't prepared for this.
Bad government.
A bunch of people that are anarchists all organized, got together, did something chaotic.
Business owners fled.
People panicked.
They gave up power to these folks.
They were espousing an ideology that on paper at least seems sort of admirable, giving power to the people, getting rid of corruption, getting rid of some of the bad aspects of capitalism.
There's all sorts of parts of it that sold people on the idea, but it's not good.
They don't own any of those buildings.
They didn't build them.
They can't just take them.
You shouldn't, because that's piracy.
If someone just comes into your neighborhood and takes your fucking house, that's piracy.
You can't just let these people take over this blog.
They go, it's the people's, man.
We don't allow money.
Okay, well, you don't have to allow money, but you can't stop other people from using money, you fuck.
Just like we don't stop you from trading with tomatoes.
If you want to fucking trade, I'll give you three tomatoes, if you give me that camera, I'm like, okay, good deal.
Well, you're allowed to do that, okay?
But you're not allowed to tell people they can't use money.
So they have like a whole zone where there's no money.
Like, oh, come on, man.
This is step one to fascism.
You're just going to make your own fascism.
And then there was a video I saw of this one guy was filming something.
So these other guys came over and beat the shit out of him.
I'm like, oh great.
So then you treat one of your own the same way cops treat you.
unidentified
Congratulations.
kyle dunnigan
That's what will happen.
joe rogan
Congratulations.
kyle dunnigan
They're eventually going to make up police.
They won't call it that.
joe rogan
Of course.
There's going to be people that patrol.
Do you remember the guardian angels?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, New York City.
joe rogan
I was in traffic once, and there was this guardian angel, and this dude was like doughy, like little baby arms and a little gut.
I'm like, this is crazy.
This guy's protecting anybody from anything.
And I'm looking at him with my friend.
I'm like, you look at this motherfucker.
And he looks at me and goes...
Double fingers.
Double fingers.
Just stared in the windshield.
We didn't even say anything.
We didn't say like, hey man, what the fuck are you guarding, bro?
We didn't say anything like that.
We just looked at him.
I was like, look at this motherfucker.
Look at this guy right here.
That's the guardian angel.
He's out there protecting people.
kyle dunnigan
And he gave you the double bird.
joe rogan
He gave me the double bird with an angry face.
And I was like, oh, you shouldn't have that job.
You shouldn't be standing in the middle of cars patrolling.
Like, what are you patrolling?
kyle dunnigan
Is this in New York?
joe rogan
New York City, yeah.
And then the main guy was on a radio show.
And there was some sort of a scandal.
Where he said he stopped some sort of a crime that didn't really exist.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, I think I remember that, yeah.
jamie vernon
When we were there, I saw him on TV. He's still on the local news there.
He still is?
joe rogan
But wasn't there some...
That's him.
jamie vernon
I think so, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think so.
Yeah, that's him.
Yeah.
So it was real weird.
They had the t-shirt on and the berets.
They'd walk down the street and dudes had like, look at that one dude has like, look at that chainmail.
He's got Kiss.
He brings you right back to Kiss.
unidentified
Ah, damn it.
joe rogan
He's got Gene Simmons wrist straps.
unidentified
That's a cool idea.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's preposterous, son.
kyle dunnigan
What about like, just their presence making people think twice about crime?
If you see a guardian angel.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, bro.
I hear you.
kyle dunnigan
You know what I'm saying?
jamie vernon
They had all the superheroes in Seattle walking around a couple years ago.
joe rogan
Right, but that's different.
Those guys actually knew how to fight.
We talked about that.
jamie vernon
Well, not all of them, I would say.
joe rogan
I don't know how many of them were actually trying to stop crime.
These guys were actually trying to stop crime.
It was very strange.
It was like organized vigilantes.
Unarmed, organized vigilantes.
kyle dunnigan
They had no power to do anything, though, right?
joe rogan
Well, they could beat your ass.
kyle dunnigan
I guess that sucks.
joe rogan
When that guy gave me the double fingers, I was like, hmm.
I just think you might be a little bit jumping the gun here.
Imagine if a cop did that.
If you saw a cop in traffic and you're like, look at this fucking guy with a stupid blue outfit.
He's like, fuck you!
You'd be like, oh my god, that guy shouldn't be a cop.
kyle dunnigan
Right.
joe rogan
So why should this guy be a guardian angel?
kyle dunnigan
I think we should vet...
If that existed, we should vet them.
But they disbanded.
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle dunnigan
Luckily.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fell apart.
But that's probably what's going to happen in a lot of these police-free zones.
You're going to have weirdos who want to be fake cops, wearing berets, wandering around giving people the finger.
kyle dunnigan
That's in their code of what to do.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people out there that don't understand the importance of the police.
You're fucking up, man.
You're fucking it up for everybody else, too.
Who are you going to call when someone breaks into your house?
If there's no one to call, there's going to be more people breaking into your house.
kyle dunnigan
Oh, yeah.
If they take away the guns from cops, I mean...
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
kyle dunnigan
Bank robberies will be successful 100% of the time.
100% will get away.
joe rogan
If there's no cops to call, what's gonna stop you from robbing jewelry stores every day?
kyle dunnigan
They've got AK-47s.
joe rogan
Bro, it's so dumb.
It's so dumb.
This should be something where it gets argued, where there's a meeting where you show all the interactions that the police have had with the community.
All the interactions, every single one of them.
It gets detailed and documented, and then you say, well, how many of these were negative?
And you look at it, if there was like three or four really strongly negative ones.
What about all the positive ones?
What about all the people that were protected?
What about all the robberies that were stopped?
What about all the crimes that were prevented?
What about all the people that were arrested that were murderers and rapists and all that?
Are you going to do that now?
Or are we just going to pretend that that shit doesn't exist?
Because there's all these interactions that the cops have, and there's some of them that are negative.
You're right.
No one's saying that's not true.
But to throw it all out, if you were arguing that, Like from data, from a data perspective, if you're in a meeting and they're like, look, we have these, these are the bad interactions and these, all these papers are the good interactions.
You'd be like, okay, well, rationally, we need to stop that from happening.
How do we do that?
How do we, how do we eliminate or at least radically reduce the number of bad interactions?
You'd work on that.
You wouldn't say defund the police.
That's like a fucking virtue gesture.
Like, look at me.
We're going to defund.
We're going to just plant flowers.
Yay!
kyle dunnigan
I might be ignorant, but I feel like it's called that to cause controversy so it gets attention.
I mean, they said reform the police.
Maybe I'm ignorant and they really mean to defund it.
It just seems like...
joe rogan
Minneapolis said defund, specifically.
kyle dunnigan
Maybe they're gonna...
If they give cops, like you were saying, before other jobs, then...
joe rogan
They're gonna have dudes with clubs with nails hanging out of them.
It's gonna be dudes with baseball bats wrapped in chain mail like that Deegan dude.
kyle dunnigan
Deegan?
joe rogan
Yeah, from Walking Dead.
What's his name?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Negan?
Negan.
That's his name, right?
The mean guy who kills people with a baseball bat?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck that guy, right?
That guy's gonna be everywhere.
kyle dunnigan
Fuck that guy.
joe rogan
He's gonna be controlling Van Nuys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's gotta be people like that everywhere you look, you know?
kyle dunnigan
I'd get a gun.
That's another thing.
If you take away guns from cops, then everyone has to buy a gun.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Dude, it's terrible.
unidentified
Anyway.
joe rogan
You can't do this.
This is such a dumb idea.
And also, you can't do it in a city where that thing didn't happen either.
It's not even the same people.
One guy was a horrible person.
And then another guy was a horrible person in Atlanta.
But there's a million cops.
Like, you can't...
I don't know how many there are.
There's probably close to a million.
kyle dunnigan
There's one million.
Probably close.
joe rogan
There's a lot of fucking cops, man.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, there's hundreds of thousands of interactions that are not good, that are happening all the time, especially with the protests and stuff.
There's a lot of interaction.
joe rogan
Look, I think everybody got the message.
I think through this George Floyd thing, everybody got the message.
And the people that are going to flare up, that are still behaving the same way, like that guy who shot that guy in Atlanta...
They get charged with murder, man, right away.
Right away.
Right away.
Felony murder.
kyle dunnigan
He could get the death penalty of that guy.
joe rogan
And he probably should.
He probably should, the way he shot that guy.
If he really knew that that guy had a taser that didn't even work...
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, it's murder.
joe rogan
What's crazy is if you watch the video, the guy's compliant.
kyle dunnigan
I know.
And for 20 minutes, like, can you just pull over?
They don't want to do the paperwork.
They're like, can you just...
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's compliant.
He just wants them to get an Uber, right?
Isn't that what he said?
Didn't he say something along those lines?
They should have done that.
There should be a way that you could ticket someone, maybe even take their license away, but like...
Get them home.
Don't fucking put them in a cage.
Like, they did something stupid, and they shouldn't be allowed to drive.
They should definitely pay a fine.
They should definitely get in trouble for driving intoxicated, for sure.
But do you really need to be violent with them and lock them in a cage?
I don't know if that's the case.
Not in that guy's case.
The way that guy was interacting with a cop, it seemed like he just was fucked up and just wanted to go home.
kyle dunnigan
Suddenly it just went...
joe rogan
Yeah, because that's what we were talking about before.
Like when a cop has to worry when he's talking to a guy, the guy could be like super kind and just thinking about punching him in the face.
Like if I was in a situation like in a movie, like a Bourne Identity movie, and there was a cop that was interrogating me and he was saying something to me and he kept closing in on me.
I was like, oh my God, I'm going to have to knock this cop out.
Okay, I don't want them to know I'm going to hit them, so I'm just going to be really compliant.
That's what I would do.
I would go, well, sir, I definitely didn't know that that was happening.
No, sir.
Well, and then bang!
I saw a video.
You've got to be able to do it where they don't know you're going to do it.
kyle dunnigan
I saw a video exactly like that last night.
This guy was just being really cool, and the cop was like, can I just search you a little bit?
He's like, yeah, man.
He's dead.
They don't show the actual last moments, but it happens.
joe rogan
That's how it goes down, man.
It can easily go down like that where someone can pretend.
They'll pretend they're being nice to you and then they'll shoot you.
kyle dunnigan
And the cops watch these.
They make them watch them, say, like, this could happen.
joe rogan
But you know what's fucked up, dude?
I was reading about the Comanches doing that, the settlers, too.
People have always done that.
Yeah, everything's fine, everything's fine.
Then they fuck them up.
It's like an old trick.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like I was reading this horrible story about or listening to this horrible story about these Comanches that came into these people's houses and uh they came in they just wanted their food.
They said let me have food and then people fed them and then after they ate they said uh go now no hurt go vamoose no hurt they like they forced the people out of their own house yeah and the people just didn't know what to do they just like let's run they just started running across the field they got about a half a mile the Comanches found them and one lady who was pregnant They cut the top of her head off.
Like, and they scalped her from the ears up.
So they literally cut all...
While she was alive, cut all the skin from her ears all the way to...
They removed the top skin of her skull.
They cut it off and took it with them.
And they shot her full of arrows.
And she survived for a couple days and gave birth to a stillborn baby.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Bro!
This is what people were capable of in 1840, right?
So just...
We're the same thing as those people.
We're the same thing.
And when shit goes fucking completely sideways, I was watching this thing in New Mexico where this one kid hit this guy with a skateboard and then pulled a knife out on the guy and the guy reaches out of his fucking pants and pulls a gun and shoots the dude down.
And I'm like, oh my god.
This was at one of those take down a statue rallies.
Yeah, it's like fuck people are losing their mind.
I mean it's not that kind of horrific violence is not that far removed from that shit that was going on with the Settlers and the Plains Indians is not that far removed man.
It's like you're only a couple incidents away Nobody thought we'd be seeing that on a regular basis people having gunfights on the street and A dude getting attacked by Antifa and he fucking lights him up with a 9mm and drops him while everyone's screaming.
Who the fuck?
When did you ever see that?
That's pretty rare.
Now there's like a new video every couple days of something crazy happening.
kyle dunnigan
Well, now that we've cheered everyone up, I think I've been hilarious the past hour.
joe rogan
You were very good the entire three hours.
unidentified
We've done it for three hours.
kyle dunnigan
Have we been here three hours?
joe rogan
It's 3.20.
kyle dunnigan
Oh my god.
joe rogan
It's 3.20 right now.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Anyway, sorry, Jamie.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
kyle dunnigan
It's like, let me go home.
joe rogan
It's awesome.
kyle dunnigan
This was really fun.
joe rogan
It's always awesome.
kyle dunnigan
Thank you, and I want to take this home.
joe rogan
You take that home.
You can have another one.
You want another one?
kyle dunnigan
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
We actually have weed giveaway bags.
Because here in California, this one good thing, marijuana is legal.
It's one of the only good things.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
It's worked out.
joe rogan
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
kyle dunnigan
Have they looked at the crime rates since?
joe rogan
That's what shows you how fucked up our government is.
They can't balance the economy, even with all that weed money.
kyle dunnigan
Is it helping at all?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's helping them get rich.
All that weed money.
Think about how much more money is pumped into the economy and these fucking twats can't manage it.
kyle dunnigan
Yeah.
Let's go to that town.
unidentified
Which one?
kyle dunnigan
Seattle.
joe rogan
Oh, Chaz?
kyle dunnigan
Let's go to Chaz.
Hang out.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
Just like communists.
kyle dunnigan
Start our lives there.
unidentified
Well...
kyle dunnigan
I gotta go.
I have so many important things to do.
I'd love to chat with you guys.
joe rogan
Kyle Dunnigan, ladies and gentlemen.
kyle dunnigan
Joe Rogan, everybody.
joe rogan
Always fun.
Thank you, brother.
kyle dunnigan
That was a lot of fun.
Enjoy this.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
kyle dunnigan
Bye-bye.
That was fun.
We got into some serious stuff, too.
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