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Tommy Papa! | ||
Joey! | ||
What's going on, buddy? | ||
You looking at that tarantula hawk? | ||
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Yeah. | |
The size of that sucker, huh? | ||
I know. | ||
I found one of those in my tub once. | ||
That's straight from Maynard's Farm. | ||
Maynard from Tool. | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
Yeah, he sent me that. | ||
Oh, wow. | ||
He found that fucking thing. | ||
Jesus. | ||
Yeah, he was explaining it to me and then he sent me one. | ||
That's how he rolls. | ||
That's how he rolls. | ||
You're the coolest. | ||
You brought bread. | ||
You know I'm on this all-meat diet. | ||
I know. | ||
But you have a family. | ||
You have a family. | ||
I'll deviate a little bit. | ||
I'll deviate. | ||
You might want to take a look at it later. | ||
I deviated over this weekend. | ||
You did? | ||
Yeah, I went to Disneyland and I had ice cream and then Friday night or Saturday night. | ||
Saturday night I had pasta. | ||
I had all kinds. | ||
I had Girl Scout cookies. | ||
I had a bunch of Girl Scout cookies. | ||
And dude, I'm telling you, Sunday my back was hurting. | ||
Really? | ||
Monday my back was hurting. | ||
Everything was like my knee was hurting. | ||
All this like inflammation. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
Aky, puffy. | ||
Yeah. | ||
One day back, two days, because today's Tuesday, so I ate Corn of War Monday and Tuesday. | ||
Everything's normal yet. | ||
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Really? | |
No more eggs and pans. | ||
So you were full on meat for a whole month. | ||
How many meals a day? | ||
Two, usually. | ||
Two? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Usually a small meal around noon after I work out, and then dinner. | ||
Alright. | ||
And no eggs? | ||
Yeah, I would eat eggs. | ||
Eggs and fish. | ||
Eggs, fish, meat. | ||
No vegetables at all. | ||
No vegetables at all. | ||
No fruits, no bread, of course. | ||
I had an olive. | ||
No, two olives. | ||
And two pieces of chili mango the entire month. | ||
Two glorious olives. | ||
But the pieces of chili mango, I legitimately felt guilty. | ||
I love chili mango. | ||
I've never had chili mango. | ||
Oh my god, really? | ||
No. | ||
It's one of the greatest creations. | ||
What is it? | ||
Like a chili pepper mango? | ||
It's dried mangoes, but with chili powder, all of them. | ||
It's Mexican. | ||
Big hit in the Mexican community. | ||
Dried. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
It's so good, dude. | ||
It's so good because it's got the sweetness from the dried mangoes, but then it's got the spiciness from the chili powder. | ||
Ooh, that's right up my alley. | ||
It's so good. | ||
I ate two pieces. | ||
I was only going to eat one. | ||
I was like, fuck it, let me have another one. | ||
When I ate that second one, I'm like, oh no, what have I done? | ||
Why'd you decide to do it in the first place? | ||
The diet? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, because January is World Carnivore Month, and I know quite a few people that have done it that have had some serious results. | ||
And serious results with autoimmune issues, too. | ||
I have vitiligo, which is an autoimmune disease. | ||
It causes you to have these patches where you don't have pigment. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
And this month, I had the best results that I've ever had with vitiligo. | ||
It's transient. | ||
It comes and goes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
It comes and goes depending upon how well I'm taking care of myself, treatments and stuff like that. | ||
But this month, I've had all these spots fill in at a pretty rapid rate. | ||
Really? | ||
People with eczema have had spectacular results with it. | ||
Now, if you were to suggest to someone who wouldn't eat just meat, what percentage meat, after going through this, do you think you would... | ||
I think the problem is not plants as much as the problem really is refined sugar, carbohydrates, and bullshit. | ||
That's what I think. | ||
I think that's the problem. | ||
Does cheese count in that? | ||
You can eat cheese. | ||
You can eat cheese? | ||
You can eat cheese. | ||
Really? | ||
It's an animal product. | ||
I think for most people the real problem is junk. | ||
Candy, sugar, pasta. | ||
Bread. | ||
Glorious bread. | ||
Even that bread? | ||
That bread's probably better, because it has less gluten, because you make sourdough bread. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's healthier. | ||
Just flour, water, salt, and yeast. | ||
It's healthier for you, but I think bread in general, just the idea of bread, it's a human-created product, right? | ||
True. | ||
You get all that concentrated carbohydrates in a very weird form. | ||
It's It's like glue. | ||
I mean, look at what it is when you're making the dough. | ||
Total glue. | ||
That eventually becomes glue in your stomach. | ||
I've actually thought that before. | ||
Did they put together cities with this stuff when they were starting out? | ||
Because if it dries for a day, it's hard to get off the counter. | ||
Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Well, you remember when you were a kid, you'd make paste? | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
Basically flour and water, and you'd make, like, a paste. | ||
I just posted videos on how to bake the bread. | ||
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Oh! | |
Because everyone's constantly asking for it. | ||
So I put a new series on YouTube called Getting Baked with Tom. | ||
LAUGHTER And it's just me in my kitchen showing you how to make bread. | ||
And I realized when I was making it, this is a long process. | ||
I have four videos getting through one loaf of bread over multiple days. | ||
Are you still doing the TV show? | ||
You were doing a TV show for a while. | ||
Yeah, we're not. | ||
That was called Baked on the Food Network. | ||
How'd that go? | ||
It went great. | ||
People really liked it, but we're not making any more. | ||
I don't know why. | ||
So then I was like, well, why do I need the Food Network? | ||
I can just keep making it and put it on YouTube. | ||
It's so much better to put it on YouTube because people can access it anytime they want. | ||
Right. | ||
This archaic system of waiting for Tuesday night at 8 o'clock, for sure. | ||
Yeah, that's what suddenly occurred to me. | ||
Like, wait, I've got cameras. | ||
I've got friends. | ||
There I am. | ||
Look at you. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Have you varied your process at all since you first started doing this? | ||
Have you added any? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, you get better at it. | ||
It's a skill. | ||
It's a thing. | ||
Sure. | ||
It sounds corny, but you become one with it. | ||
Like, I know the weights of things just by holding it, and I know the timing of things, and I know the temperature, what that's going to do, and it's just very immersive. | ||
So, yeah, I started branching out, and then also started making bagels and Bagels? | ||
Now, don't you have to boil bagels? | ||
You do. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So I just take a Dutch oven just with water in it and boil it up and baking soda and let that kind of bubble up. | ||
But you use a different kind of flour for the bagels? | ||
No, same flour. | ||
Really? | ||
Same flour. | ||
Sourdough flour? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Sourdough bagels? | ||
Yeah, that's the key. | ||
Like, there's so many bad bagels in LA. And, you know, people always talk, oh, it's the water, it's this and that. | ||
And, you know, I met this Vito's Pizza is a guy from Jersey here in LA that makes great pizza. | ||
And I'm like... | ||
So what is it, the water with the dough? | ||
He's like, it's just knowing what you're doing. | ||
And I keep running into these bad bagels. | ||
And I realized the flavor that's coming out of the bagels I'm making is because of the sourdough starter. | ||
It has this different flavor. | ||
It's a deeper flavor. | ||
It's not just to use that as the yeast. | ||
It's to actually make it taste better. | ||
Is it true that the water is different on the East Coast and is it a more mineral-rich water? | ||
That's what everybody says. | ||
Wouldn't that just be pretty easy to add those elements to water from the West Coast? | ||
You would think. | ||
And some people say that they, like, import the water. | ||
Maybe that's why people are less flavorful over here. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
Yeah, they're not filled with all the... | ||
I mean, flavorful like Joey Diaz, like mad flavor. | ||
He's got flavor. | ||
You know what I'm saying? | ||
He's got charisma. | ||
The thing. | ||
You don't get a lot of that out here. | ||
No, you don't. | ||
Yeah, it's different. | ||
It's different. | ||
It's a chill... | ||
Well, even the people that do have flavor out here, it's like their flavor goes up to seven. | ||
Right. | ||
You don't get tens. | ||
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You're right. | |
You come from Jersey and you got rusty pipes, you got rats swimming in it, all generations of stuff in there. | ||
Yeah, that's going to add to it for sure. | ||
Yeah. | ||
There's something... | ||
The water does taste different, though. | ||
It does. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like, my manager, Jeff, he loves New York City tap water. | ||
He's always, like, stolen the virtues of New York City tap water. | ||
I'm like, bro, you're crazy. | ||
I'm not drinking that. | ||
Just any day now, a hundred people could die from that shit. | ||
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I know. | |
It's one of those things. | ||
Everybody's so proud about it, though. | ||
And I am, too. | ||
And we go back with my family, like, around Christmas. | ||
We were just there, and I'm like, you just drink from the tap. | ||
And my kids took a sip of it, and she's like, it tastes like carrots. | ||
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LAUGHTER And she was right. | |
She was really right. | ||
It tastes like carrots. | ||
That's hilarious. | ||
It had that kind of iron, carrot-y flavor. | ||
Yeah, there's stuff in there you're not supposed to drink, probably. | ||
No, a lot of stuff. | ||
Or maybe you are supposed to drink it, right? | ||
Well, yeah, maybe. | ||
Like minerals. | ||
Less anemic, maybe. | ||
Well, minerals taste bad. | ||
But they're good for you, right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like hard water. | ||
When you get hard water, isn't that minerals? | ||
That's minerals. | ||
Right. | ||
And it's great to shower. | ||
You ever shower in soft water? | ||
And the soap just never comes off? | ||
That's true. | ||
After hours of sitting. | ||
Why is that? | ||
I don't know, but in my parents' townhouse, you take a shower, you're going to have soap on you the rest of the day. | ||
So do they have a filtration system? | ||
Is that what it is? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Yeah, I guess so. | ||
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Must be. | |
Right, must be something that takes the minerals out. | ||
So when you get like that residue on your shower head, that white residue, that's hard water, right? | ||
That's sperm. | ||
Huh? | ||
What? | ||
Fun fact. | ||
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Oh no! | |
I am so busted. | ||
That's one thing I've done maybe like three times my whole life is jerk off in the shower. | ||
Three times? | ||
Yeah, it's like never been my thing. | ||
I think I've probably done it just to say, well, here's some place I've never jerked off. | ||
I can't go through the world with a place that hasn't been violated. | ||
I've never jerked off in the tub, I'll tell you that. | ||
Never. | ||
It's just too hot in there. | ||
It's just too confusing and frustrating. | ||
Well, you gotta let the water down a little. | ||
Then you're just like, then you're being a weirdo. | ||
That's like those guys who lay in bed to masturbate, they bring a box of tissues and a towel. | ||
Set up like they're going on a date. | ||
You're a pervert. | ||
What's wrong with you? | ||
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Right, exactly. | |
Jerking off is supposed to be a maintenance thing. | ||
Like, you just need it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Like, let me just take care of this so I'm not obsessed. | ||
Right. | ||
Let me get a cup of coffee. | ||
Let me do that. | ||
Get to the goddamn office. | ||
Yeah, Jesus Christ. | ||
People that don't masturbate at all, that's got to occupy too much real estate in your head. | ||
There's no doubt about it, right? | ||
Well, I don't know. | ||
You could argue that the people that do it all the time... | ||
There's a lot of real estate. | ||
I think porn, in particular, is a real issue for people. | ||
It does become an obsession. | ||
Yes, indeed. | ||
I remember a buddy of mine was really into it in the early internet, and he started looking at the world through a porn lens. | ||
Every girl was to be approached like somebody in a... | ||
Yeah, it messed with his head. | ||
Oh, that's not good. | ||
Anything you watch... | ||
For that amount of time. | ||
Right? | ||
It's going to affect you. | ||
I've often thought that about violence because I've seen so many people get beat up. | ||
Like I'm so comfortable with people getting beat up. | ||
Right. | ||
Like fights. | ||
Like if I see a fight somewhere, like a fight breaks out. | ||
Yeah. | ||
My heart rate doesn't jack up. | ||
It doesn't go, oh my God, this is crazy. | ||
I can't believe they're fighting. | ||
Right. | ||
It's like, hmm. | ||
Look at that. | ||
Bad technique. | ||
Dropping his hands. | ||
Look at this dude. | ||
Oh my god. | ||
His left leg's off the ground. | ||
There's no what he's doing. | ||
This is out in the world? | ||
Like, just seeing two guys go at it? | ||
When I see two guys go at it, I'm like, look at this terrible technique. | ||
And I'm running to the car. | ||
I see everything coming a mile away. | ||
It's crazy. | ||
I see society becoming unhinged. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Get me out of here! | ||
It becomes normal, I think. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Violence becomes normalized. | ||
Like, you know, I've been reading a lot about Native American cultures lately. | ||
I've gone through like five books on the Wild West over the last few months. | ||
And one of the more disturbing and shocking things is the torture. | ||
Native Americans would torture their victims. | ||
Oh. | ||
Yeah, particularly the Comanches. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Those were the badasses, right? | ||
They were the badasses. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They were the reason. | ||
Until they developed a repeating, a multiple-shot revolver that carried a chamber that had more than one bullet, they were running shit because everybody else had muskets. | ||
And they could shoot multiple arrows. | ||
You know, they could, they would, there's a, have you ever heard of, there's a guy named Lars Anderson, do you know who he is? | ||
Yeah, I've heard of him. | ||
He's a famous, YouTube famous archery expert. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
And he, going through old texts and old artistic depictions, realized that the idea of a back quiver where you would reach back to grab an arrow and then put it on the string and then pull it back and shoot the arrow is not accurate. | ||
That what they actually would do is put the arrows in between their fingers... | ||
And they developed a technique where they would draw and pull and draw and pull and draw and pull. | ||
Just release one at a time. | ||
Yes. | ||
And they would go from finger to finger. | ||
So they literally could shoot an arrow a second. | ||
Wow. | ||
And so this guy, he actually shows how he can do it. | ||
Not just in theory. | ||
See how they're holding... | ||
In some of the depictions, you see that they're holding multiple arrows in their hands instead of in a quiver. | ||
And so he figured out how to do it. | ||
Where he can shoot multiple arrows in a second. | ||
See if you can get to him. | ||
See, he's doing that. | ||
That's him pulling arrows out. | ||
And this is what the Comanche did? | ||
Yes. | ||
The Comanches were able to do that, and when they were able to do that, they were able to shoot the American settlers and the U.S. Army soldiers multiple times before they could get off another bullet because they had to pack a chamber. | ||
See how he's shooting all those arrows? | ||
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Oh, yeah, look at that. | |
Because he keeps all the arrows in his fingers. | ||
Wow. | ||
So he tucks them in his finger, and then he just grabs it with the other hand, draws it back. | ||
So they were actually winning the war for a while. | ||
Exactly. | ||
For hundreds of years. | ||
Hundreds of years. | ||
For hundreds of years. | ||
And it was so crazy. | ||
What they would do is the U.S. government would give people allotments of land, saying, hey, Oklahoma's a beautiful place. | ||
Why don't you guys move there? | ||
And you can get a thousand acres of land. | ||
Like, whoa, golly, I'm going to take my family and move to Oklahoma. | ||
So they would send these people in. | ||
They would just get slaughtered. | ||
Why? | ||
Yeah, because they wanted to try to figure out how to settle this land. | ||
Right. | ||
And they wanted these people to kind of fight the battles with the Comanches. | ||
And then the soldiers eventually would move in and then they would set up forts. | ||
So they would just put out as bait? | ||
Yes. | ||
I mean, it's horrific. | ||
Whether it's conscious or unconscious, or whether it's semi-aware, or maybe these people could fix it. | ||
But they definitely did get slaughtered. | ||
What part of the country were the Comanche? | ||
Oklahoma, Texas, a lot of sections of the West. | ||
They ran things. | ||
Thousands? | ||
Yeah. | ||
They were incredibly nomadic. | ||
They rode horses. | ||
They were fantastic with horses. | ||
They had the most horses, which is one of the reasons why they're the most powerful tribe. | ||
And all they ate was meat. | ||
They would eat buffalo, mostly, and occasionally berries and stuff like that. | ||
But mostly their diet consisted of buffalo. | ||
So they would follow the buffalo and then kill all the other Native Americans they encountered. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
Kill all the settlers they encountered. | ||
Oh, they were ruthless. | ||
Jeez. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But the torture. | ||
The torture is insane. | ||
Cutting people's arms and legs off and throwing them on a fire while they're still alive. | ||
Shit like that. | ||
Jeez, so they enjoyed it. | ||
Yeah, I mean, this book that I read, Empire of the Summer Moon, is all about the Comanches. | ||
This guy S.G. Gwynne was in here and he kind of explained how he found out about it when he moved to Texas. | ||
And he moved to Texas and started delving into the history of the Comanches and the war that the Texas Rangers, the Texas Rangers, the original Texas Rangers were created to combat the Comanches. | ||
They were these super badass soldiers that dressed like Indians. | ||
And they realized they had to learn how to fight on horses, because the Comanches actually shot arrows on horses, whereas the original U.S. soldiers would get off the horse to shoot a shot. | ||
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Right. | |
And it just was ineffective. | ||
Right. | ||
And the Comanches would run up on them and fill them up with arrows. | ||
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Right. | |
And kill everybody. | ||
It was crazy. | ||
They would kidnap all these white settlers and take their babies and kill their babies, take their children, incorporate their children into the tribes, rape the women, torture and kill the men. | ||
Wow. | ||
But they were nomadic. | ||
So they didn't settle, create little towns. | ||
They were just always moving around. | ||
Only tents. | ||
And they followed the buffalo. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
So just like seasons, they would stay in an area for a little bit. | ||
They would just follow the buffalo. | ||
Wherever the buffalo were, that's where they would go. | ||
Jeez. | ||
Yeah, but the thing about it is, it's, to me, so strange that cultures can become comfortable with extreme violence. | ||
Like, very comfortable. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right. | ||
Well, anything that you're just exposed to all the time. | ||
You know, we're a pretty violent society, right? | ||
We see a lot of violent images all the time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
We see it, but in terms of day-to-day violence, compared to just a couple of hundred years ago, it's a pretty radical drop-off. | ||
Yeah, you'd have to choose to digest it now. | ||
Yeah, you'd have to choose. | ||
But a lot of people do choose. | ||
Yeah, but also you can put yourself in a little bubble and feel like it doesn't really exist. | ||
Or you can get into a murder bubble, just like some people get into a porn bubble. | ||
Right. | ||
You can just get into watching people get slaughtered all day long. | ||
Yeah, right, exactly. | ||
There's plenty of videos. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Nah, I'm going to watch other things. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Bread. | ||
My Netflix special. | ||
Oh, that's that. | ||
It comes out tonight, right? | ||
At midnight? | ||
Is that what it is? | ||
Last midnight. | ||
Oh, last night. | ||
So it's out right now. | ||
It's out. | ||
Oh my Jesus. | ||
It's done. | ||
It's out. | ||
Are you happy with it? | ||
I am happy with it. | ||
How many years did you work on it? | ||
Two and a half. | ||
That's a good number. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Close to three. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's a good number. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That seems like to polish an act, get it tight, tour with it a little bit, and then almost get to the point where you're done with it. | ||
Yeah, almost sick of it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Where something started, that's how I can tell when jokes start to peel off, because you're not, you're done with them. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And then other ones, do you ever have when you get close to taping, all of a sudden something new pops in and makes the lineup last minute? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
Oh, of course. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
Of course, yeah. | ||
Other stuff you've been working on and really trying to perfect it for a couple of years, and then all of a sudden something shows up like the last week that's a killer. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think it's just you're in that space. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And yeah, I shot it in Newark. | ||
Newark? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Why Newark? | ||
I'm from Jersey. | ||
I'm a Jersey guy. | ||
I was born in Newark. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I just feel like I just have a real affection for all those great New Jersey cities that have been just destroyed by corruption. | ||
Passaic, Patterson, Trenton, Newark. | ||
Was that what destroyed them? | ||
Yeah. | ||
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Corruption? | |
Yeah. | ||
Political corruption. | ||
There's a ton of money in New Jersey. | ||
There's a ton of money. | ||
People getting taxed like crazy. | ||
And then these politicians multiple times going to jail for abusing the system and getting busted and bribery. | ||
And it's just awful. | ||
Just really. | ||
And it just became real violent places and people started moving out. | ||
And I really think it's going to come back. | ||
They're just too great. | ||
It's like Asbury Park at the Jersey Shore. | ||
I used to drive through there and it was just bombed out with these great big Victorian homes right on the beach. | ||
It's like, how's this place not just kicking ass? | ||
And the only way that it ever works, the gay community comes in and says, well, this is nice, and we're going to fix it. | ||
Is it the gay community that built it up? | ||
Yeah, they saved... | ||
Asbury Park? | ||
Asbury Park, absolutely. | ||
That's awesome. | ||
So I think it's going to come back. | ||
So I just wanted to, in a little way, just shine a little light on Newark. | ||
So Asbury Park is basically a gay neighborhood now? | ||
I don't know if it's a gay neighborhood, but it's a good, healthy gay population. | ||
And so they buy these Victorians that are on the beach, and are they valuable now? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, the real estate's really come up there. | ||
Only makes sense, right? | ||
There's only so much beachfront property. | ||
Exactly. | ||
I mean, look at Malibu. | ||
It's preposterous. | ||
I've looked at houses in Malibu that are on the beach. | ||
Oh, my God. | ||
It's hilarious. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like... | ||
It doesn't make sense money. | ||
Millions and millions of dollars for a house that looks like it costs $150,000. | ||
I know, exactly. | ||
Yeah, that in North Carolina probably would. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
And should. | ||
Yeah. | ||
No, it's crazy. | ||
But it's limited. | ||
There's not that much, especially in that area. | ||
You know, the Jersey Shore, the whole coast. | ||
It's like Manhattan. | ||
It's the same thing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But I do feel like, I mean, you look back and you read all these books from, like, Philip Roth and stuff. | ||
He was from Newark. | ||
And it was just this thriving place with industry and people living their lives. | ||
And then it became this real darkness. | ||
And it feels like, I'm hopeful that the population will succeed in turning them over. | ||
Hmm. | ||
So what was the theater that you went to? | ||
The Performing Arts Center, the Victoria Theater, and it's like this performing arts theater there. | ||
It's beautiful, great space. | ||
This little downtown, it's where the Devils are playing and the Nets before they moved. | ||
It's like this one square block. | ||
I mean, you get on a train, you're in Manhattan in 10 minutes. | ||
So it was this great theater. | ||
I did two shows there. | ||
I'd performed there before. | ||
I've got a lot of fans in Jersey. | ||
Yeah, slowly, parts of it. | ||
It's tough. | ||
Two steps forward and two steps back. | ||
We've done some UFC fights there. | ||
Oh, yeah? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Oh, right, because you couldn't do New York, right? | ||
Yes, for a long time. | ||
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Right. | |
So we used to do it in Newark. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know, there's a beautiful downtown area, really great, beautiful Whole Foods and Nike. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, beautiful. | ||
Newark? | ||
Yeah, beautiful. | ||
And then, you know, you get to the outer... | ||
You go a couple more blocks. | ||
It's a different story. | ||
When I first moved to New York, I stayed with my grandfather in Newark. | ||
Oh, yeah? | ||
My grandfather bought a house in Newark in, like, the early... | ||
I guess it was probably the 40s he bought a house there and stayed there until he died. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
North 9th Street. | ||
And it was originally an Italian neighborhood, and then it slowly became a bunch of different kinds of neighborhoods. | ||
They did a thing called blockbusting. | ||
What's that? | ||
Where real estate agents would come in and say, hey, black people are moving into this neighborhood. | ||
You've got to sell now or your real estate value is going to drop. | ||
What? | ||
Yeah, and my grandfather was like, fuck you, I like black people. | ||
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Get out of here. | |
He stayed there forever. | ||
Why would I move? | ||
He wouldn't move, man. | ||
But the neighborhood changed from an all-Italian neighborhood to a black neighborhood, and then it eventually became a bunch of different immigrants. | ||
Right. | ||
And then when I stayed there... | ||
And this was probably 88, 91, 92 was when I lived there. | ||
It was bad, man. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Next door neighbor got his house broken into by the cops. | ||
They battering rammed his front door because he was selling crack. | ||
Oh my god. | ||
Yeah. | ||
The crack epidemic. | ||
My grandfather knew that kid from the time he was little. | ||
Terrible. | ||
You know, he's watching this kid grow up to become a drug dealer. | ||
God. | ||
He had like a nice Audi that he kept parked in the driveway. | ||
Right. | ||
Behind a gate. | ||
Geez. | ||
Yeah, he was spending all that crack money. | ||
Crack money. | ||
My sister runs this nonprofit, I think I've talked to you about it, called City Green out of Clifton. | ||
And they create all of these city gardens and... | ||
Take over farmlands, like in Passaic and Patterson. | ||
And it just really, you bring these young kids in. | ||
She has like these learning gardens and these school programs where these kids from Patterson and Passaic come in. | ||
And they're just like these young little kids that don't understand like where vegetables come from. | ||
Their parents, their families are blown apart and they're just like, they're as thirsty as the vegetables. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They just want love and learning and want to be useful. | ||
It's so inspiring to see. | ||
And if you can get kids at that age, like four, five, six, seven, if you can get them there, that's going to change everything. | ||
If you can come in and help these kids out and give them a lifeline, that seems like where most of the change can happen. | ||
Yeah, if you can catch them when they're young. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Give them a positive direction to go into. | ||
That's one of the things that I've talked about a bunch of times in the podcast. | ||
Like, we spend so much money overseas to try to replace dictators and get rid of fucked up governments. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Going into inner cities and trying to give young kids a chance. | ||
I know. | ||
Give them opportunities, create community centers, do something where you give them an alternative to drugs and crime and gangs and all the shit that plagues those areas. | ||
That's where I really believe. | ||
And I've talked to other people that are really into philanthropy, and they all seem to think that that's the way to do it. | ||
Get them when they're young. | ||
Get them when they're young. | ||
But what the program is, is difficult, and you've got to try and get the parents involved with it and all that. | ||
If you can do that, there's, I mean, they're so inspiring when you see these kids then move up to high school and they're just, you know, I grew up with kids that were, you know, okay and so lazy in comparison to these kids. | ||
They just suck everything in and want to do well and they're inspiring. | ||
These kids will just kick ass, do whatever they have to do to learn, do whatever they have to do to get into college. | ||
They're just really like some of the best people you could possibly make. | ||
Because they're thankful that they had that opportunity and they understand that they could have gone a bad way. | ||
Right. | ||
Like a lot of people that they grew up with. | ||
Yeah, and they see in their neighborhoods, you know, there's trouble. | ||
This isn't guaranteed that things are going to go right for me. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
It's amazing that there hasn't been more time and effort invested by the government to try to clean up these terrible neighborhoods. | ||
It's just not immediately profitable and I guess every politician has four years in office. | ||
Yeah, it's really... | ||
I know. | ||
It's like... | ||
I did a fundraiser in Newark. | ||
This is where I got the idea to do the special there. | ||
I did a fundraiser. | ||
It wasn't a fundraiser. | ||
It was like an awards dinner kind of thing for this prominent lawyer. | ||
And all these politicians were there. | ||
And they all seem like, you know, people with good intentions and whatever. | ||
And then you walk out into... | ||
Into the city and on the way to the airport. | ||
And it's like, man, this is some of these areas. | ||
It's like, how? | ||
Those people were nice, but it'll take thousands of those people to really all work on that problem. | ||
Like, I don't know how you do it. | ||
And you know, when I travel around touring, and I'm sure you see it too, in every city, all of a sudden, there's these tent cities just popping up with homeless people that wasn't around when I started touring. | ||
Like in the middle of New Orleans, in the middle of every city, San Francisco, the upper Midwest, there's just all of a sudden these camps of homeless people. | ||
That did not exist before. | ||
No, Los Angeles is staggering. | ||
I mean, there's basically a small city inside the city. | ||
Right now, they're bordering on 70,000 people. | ||
70,000. | ||
70,000 people live on the streets in Los Angeles. | ||
Just in LA. Just in LA. And because LA never really gets cold, it only rains 10 times a year, it's really not that hard. | ||
If you have a tent, you can live outside. | ||
Yeah, and they do. | ||
They do. | ||
Full-on tents, and they string them all together. | ||
They create little villages. | ||
Yeah. | ||
The underpasses all throughout LA now are filled with tents. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
No, it's incredible. | ||
It's fucking weird. | ||
How much of it is... | ||
I have no idea, but how much of it is mental illness and how much of it is just economic? | ||
I'm sure it's all the above. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's a bunch of different factors, but mental... | ||
Well, mental illness for sure was what started out the wave of homeless people during the Reagan administration because they changed the criteria for people being able to be confined to a mental health institute. | ||
They released a bunch of people. | ||
They changed what constituted you being mentally ill. | ||
Whereas before there were asylums, people could get help and counseling. | ||
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Right. | |
Maybe even get out. | ||
But now, they just kick those people out. | ||
Or then, they just kick those people out. | ||
Right. | ||
And I remember it. | ||
Because... | ||
How old are you? | ||
I'm 50. Yeah, I'm a little older than you. | ||
I'm 52. So when I was... | ||
I'm really 52. Uh-huh. | ||
When I was, I guess I was like in high school or right after high school when Reagan was in office, all that shit was going down and people were freaking out because all of a sudden there was homeless people wandering around the street. | ||
Right. | ||
And that didn't exist before and people were really angry. | ||
They were like, these are mentally ill people and now they're just wandering. | ||
And, you know, I lived in Boston and it was fucking really cold to see people wandering around Boston. | ||
There's definitely always a large portion of people that truly, truly need help. | ||
It's not just that they're lazy or don't just go get a job. | ||
There's major issues and there needs to be some kind of a safety net to help these people. | ||
And you could just see it. | ||
I mean, it's so weird to be... | ||
It's popping up in LA in areas that it never was before. | ||
Yeah, and even what is lazy, right? | ||
Like, how many people that are that lazy that they're homeless? | ||
How many people are mentally ill? | ||
There's got to be a lot of them. | ||
A lot. | ||
A lot. | ||
Mental illness is a weird thing, right? | ||
Because it's got such a stigma attached to it. | ||
But I think... | ||
What is wellness, right? | ||
What's mental wellness? | ||
Maintaining a beautiful state of mind, peaceful, relaxed, calm, thankful, filled with gratitude, loved, happy. | ||
That's healthy, right? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
Everyone experiences some mental illness, just like everyone experiences some physical illness. | ||
But it's a matter of whether or not it becomes chronic, prolonged, and what it does to you and the people around you. | ||
And some people have it way worse, just like some people have way worse physical health, right? | ||
Some people have way worse mental health, and some people it deteriorates. | ||
And sometimes you could be on the right track, and some stuff happens to you, and within six months, you're in trouble. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's a tricky situation to kind of maintain. | ||
We're a lot more fragile than we like to pretend we are. | ||
It's one of the beautiful things about being a comic is that we have a real community. | ||
I mean, we have a really beautiful, supportive community of like-minded weirdos. | ||
It's really true. | ||
It really is true. | ||
I know. | ||
Is there a place that other people get to go to, that we get to go to, like the store, where everybody's hugging everybody, everybody sees everybody? | ||
I know. | ||
So friendly. | ||
I was thinking about that. | ||
I was leaving, and every time you leave a club, whether it's the store or the cellar in New York, everyone's always asking, are you going to be here tomorrow? | ||
Are you going to be around? | ||
Where are you going? | ||
Everyone cares about – they want to see you again, and they want to know if you're coming back. | ||
And I was like, that's such a wonderful thing. | ||
This isn't an office. | ||
This isn't people that are being made to see you every day. | ||
But if you're leaving the store and we say goodnight, it's like, are you going to be here tomorrow? | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's like, are you coming back to the Playhouse? | ||
Yeah. | ||
People are looking forward to it. | ||
We're real lucky in that regard, because I don't think musicians have a spot like that. | ||
Where they get to go to. | ||
They feel isolated if they're not with their band or their family. | ||
You know, they're isolated. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And it's interesting because L.A., it's the store's revival, I think, has given it a sense of place. | ||
Because coming from New York, I felt when I was out here like, oh, comedians just roll into the Laugh Factory and then they get in their car and they're gone. | ||
There's no... | ||
Hangout. | ||
Yeah, there's nothing there. | ||
And the improv had it. | ||
For a while, then they messed with the bar and they moved it to the other side. | ||
They ruined it. | ||
That was such a great place. | ||
They ruined it. | ||
I know, and it hasn't got its mojo back. | ||
How do you get a mojo back? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Have you ever seen that photo of the improv where it's Jay Leno, he's got a pipe? | ||
Yeah. | ||
He's hanging out in the bar, and everyone's in the bar. | ||
The bar's packed with people. | ||
Packed, I know. | ||
And it's this weird sort of photograph of capturing time. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And that was what it was like when I first started coming here. | ||
There was basically two schools. | ||
There was the improv school, and then there was the comedy store school. | ||
Right. | ||
And then there was the Laugh Factory, just like the stepchild. | ||
Right. | ||
It was weird. | ||
Yeah, it's always a little weird. | ||
Because Jamie used to work at the comedy store. | ||
He was a dishwasher there and he left to start his own comedy club. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You would, you know, the industry people would go to the improv. | ||
There was all like the people that were angling to get on sitcoms and the people that were squeaky clean. | ||
Right. | ||
And then the deranged weirdos were all hanging around at the store. | ||
Yeah, because it's comfortable there for them. | ||
But the new wave, the new revival of the store is very different. | ||
Totally different. | ||
Very different. | ||
But it still has that... | ||
Shadows of that. | ||
There's some derangement. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
There's still some derangement there. | ||
Yeah, it's in the walls. | ||
It's baked in the carpets. | ||
You can't get it out. | ||
You can't. | ||
You'd never be able to build a place like that. | ||
It would have to already exist. | ||
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Yes. | |
Because if you try to build a place in 2020, you said, all right, we're going to build a new comedy store. | ||
We're going to put it over here in Silver Lake, and we're going to, this is this and that and that, and we're going to make it like the comedy store. | ||
It would feel like a hotel bar. | ||
It would go there, an Encino hotel bar. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
Why am I here? | ||
Why is it echoey? | ||
What's wrong here? | ||
It seems odd. | ||
There's no soul. | ||
Places have a soul. | ||
And that place has a lot of soul, a lot of dark souls, a lot of mixed up souls. | ||
Yeah, that's a weird point of contention with scientists and with people that are open to more... | ||
Weird ideas. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That things have a feel to them. | ||
That things even have a memory to them. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
I believe that 100%. | ||
I do, too. | ||
But if you talk to a brilliant scientist, they would dismiss that instantaneously. | ||
They think they're all brilliant, but they're not open to everything. | ||
They're acting all smart with their little test scores and their lab coats. | ||
But walk into an old hotel in Italy and tell me that you don't feel something there, that history. | ||
I'm not saying it's all ghosts coming up and giving you belly rubs. | ||
Why do you think? | ||
Did they have that dismissive need to be a reductionist, to reduce everything down to its core components and dismiss any soul? | ||
It gives you control, right? | ||
It gives you an idea that this crazy madness is somehow manageable. | ||
I do it too in my life. | ||
I organize my desk and I get my thing and I get my schedule and everything's okay. | ||
This isn't chaos. | ||
No, we're not all going to be... | ||
This isn't completely out of my control. | ||
I'm controlling this. | ||
At least my pen's over there and my book's over here, right? | ||
I would think that that's what it is. | ||
And if you can't justify it with facts and numbers, then it doesn't exist. | ||
Well, I don't know because certain places always seem to have a personality. | ||
There's more going on. | ||
Just because we haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean that that stuff doesn't exist. | ||
No, I agree. | ||
Even this room, even this place. | ||
You moved here, right? | ||
The old place was the thing, but this feels different now than when you first showed up. | ||
It's got stuff. | ||
There's some memories. | ||
There's some things that have happened. | ||
There's like... | ||
It feels comfortable here. | ||
Well, we got this desk, too. | ||
This is the same desk from the beginning. | ||
This desk is soaked in with people's palm sweat and weirdness and good feelings and weird feelings. | ||
Yeah, and that wouldn't have come from something that wasn't wood. | ||
Yeah, no, I agree. | ||
And this is also reclaimed farmhouse wood. | ||
Yeah? | ||
Yeah, this is all from some Russian farm. | ||
This is all reclaimed oak. | ||
All this shit is like 100 years old. | ||
Wow. | ||
From where? | ||
Russia. | ||
We decided to get this wood. | ||
One of the things, when I was building this, I said, can we get wood that's old? | ||
Yeah. | ||
And so we figured out that there was ways that you could get really old oak. | ||
Wow. | ||
And so, Eric, the guy who made all this, got this really old Russian oak and cut it all down and trimmed it and, you know... | ||
Right. | ||
Everything's all, you know... | ||
It's, like, got cracks in it and it's expanded and... | ||
It has personality. | ||
It's alive. | ||
Yeah, it's alive. | ||
If it's not alive, I mean, it's organic. | ||
That's probably the best way to describe it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
No, it has a difference. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And then, you know, if you want to go further and talk about the ghosts that show up, it's definitely a ghost, too. | ||
Did I ever show you the picture of my ghost? | ||
You have a picture of a ghost? | ||
Didn't I show you that? | ||
Did I ever show you that, Jamie? | ||
I don't think so. | ||
You have a ghost? | ||
I have a ghost. | ||
Where? | ||
Your house? | ||
I apologize if I'm repeating myself. | ||
I don't know if you are. | ||
I don't remember the story. | ||
I got one of those Nest cameras. | ||
Oh, the Nest cameras captured a ghost? | ||
Yeah, and I was at the Comedy Works in Denver. | ||
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And the ghost comes with you to Denver? | |
He opens for me. | ||
You know, you want an opener that you can trust. | ||
And I got an alert on my email the first time, like if it senses movement, it alerts you. | ||
And I open it up and there's my dog. | ||
Bella just in the thing. | ||
I'm like, this is so cool. | ||
I'm just like, I'm in Denver and I'm looking at my office. | ||
And I thought, wouldn't that be a cool beginning of a horror movie? | ||
If you get an alert on your phone and back at home there's a guy just staring in the camera. | ||
Jesus Christ. | ||
That's a good premise for a movie. | ||
So then as I'm saying that to my opening act, who wasn't a ghost, I get another alert, and then this comes up. | ||
Oh yeah, you can see it up there. | ||
Okay. | ||
Why do you have a picture of Chris D'Elia on your wall? | ||
He's obsessed with Chris D'Elia. | ||
We just found out. | ||
Look at that, bro. | ||
That's D'Elia. | ||
Chris, keep away from Tom. | ||
Something you might not know. | ||
I love D'Elia, but that's George Carlin. | ||
That's a man with a wrench. | ||
Yeah, or a man in a trench coat with an Uzi. | ||
This is 10 o'clock at night. | ||
The only people home are my wife and my daughter. | ||
This is on the second floor. | ||
There is no shadow coming in the thing. | ||
It's a ghost. | ||
That's a legit ghost. | ||
You don't think that's a person? | ||
That's not a person. | ||
For sure. | ||
My wife is the only one in the house. | ||
Hmm. | ||
And you think that's a gun in his hand? | ||
Could be a clipboard. | ||
Maybe he's just a really annoying surveyor from the dead. | ||
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Just like a few moments of your time to fill out this report. | |
Did you have video of it? | ||
Was it moving or something? | ||
No, but I have a video of another thing in the same office. | ||
So I could show you. | ||
This is weird. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It looks way different in this picture when it's small than it does when it's large. | ||
Which is scarier. | ||
When it's large, it looks more like a person. | ||
Can you make it even bigger, Jamie? | ||
Can you make his image larger? | ||
I have a ghost in my house, and then we hear things. | ||
Yeah, see, it does seem... | ||
It seems like the light is behind him, right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like the outside right edge of it is sort of highlighted, like there's a light behind him. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
Doesn't look like a gun, though. | ||
It is weird. | ||
I mean, it could be a gun. | ||
And then I got this video. | ||
Could be a Sawzall. | ||
Coming for bread. | ||
Over here, ready to sauce some bread. | ||
He's got a big serrated, big bread knife. | ||
Electric serrated chef's knife. | ||
Chop up some bread, bro. | ||
So, have you ever had an experience that you could say you think is probably a ghost to cause that? | ||
Everybody in the house has had a little something. | ||
Is your house old? | ||
It's not old, but like poltergeist. | ||
Right, it's over an Indian burial ground. | ||
You never know. | ||
Dun, dun, dun. | ||
You never know. | ||
Look at this video in the same office from The Nest. | ||
You got a video? | ||
Let me see what's going on. | ||
What am I looking at here? | ||
Did the thing move? | ||
No. | ||
Can you press play again? | ||
Okay. | ||
Same camera. | ||
What's that? | ||
It's a bug, bro. | ||
It's a bug? | ||
100%. | ||
That's a bug. | ||
How do you know that's a bug? | ||
Because it's a bug. | ||
It's moving in front of the camera. | ||
It flies around. | ||
It's doing loop-de-loops. | ||
Dude, that's a bug. | ||
It's probably a moth. | ||
Oh my god, you're a little fruitcake. | ||
You're a crazy person. | ||
That's not a bug. | ||
You're a crazy person. | ||
Look how it's sailing. | ||
Is that what they call a... | ||
Is a fruitcake... | ||
Fruitcake is not... | ||
That's a gay person. | ||
That's a gay person. | ||
But you can call someone a fruitcake if they're nuts, too, right? | ||
Isn't it? | ||
Yeah, nuttier than a fruitcake. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
Look how that... | ||
Look how that goes. | ||
That's no bug. | ||
Look at that. | ||
That is 100% a bug. | ||
You're out of your mind. | ||
That's a bug. | ||
Do you want to see... | ||
I would bet everything. | ||
Air drop it to me real quick. | ||
Alright, I'll air drop it to you. | ||
I would be all in that that's a bug. | ||
Alright. | ||
That's not a ghost. | ||
It's Tinkerbell. | ||
That's what it is. | ||
Your house is invaded by fairies. | ||
But that ghost... | ||
I believe in ghosts. | ||
Really? | ||
And yeah, I do. | ||
And then my wife... | ||
Yeah, we've all had little things go on in the house. | ||
Like what kind of little things? | ||
My wife thought someone was standing right behind her. | ||
She's doing the lawn. | ||
She thought it was my daughter and turned in. | ||
Nope. | ||
Oh, that's a bug. | ||
It's a fucking bug, right? | ||
Thank you, Jamie. | ||
Let's watch this. | ||
Let's watch this so everyone at home can laugh at how fucking crazy Tom Papa is. | ||
Here we go. | ||
Well, if you first... | ||
Let's watch the bug. | ||
Oh look, a fucking bug. | ||
A flat paper, piece of paper. | ||
All bugs look like a fortune cookie. | ||
Dude, it's a bug. | ||
Listen to me. | ||
There's a thing that I got sucked into. | ||
Stop it! | ||
Any bug! | ||
That's a bug. | ||
That's a video artifact. | ||
It's because it's moving very fast in front of the screen. | ||
There's a precedent to this. | ||
You have a low-resolution camera that's in front of your desk, right? | ||
This is a security camera, low-resolution. | ||
It doesn't take a lot of frames per second. | ||
The reason why it's so elongated is because it's passing by this camera, and the thing is taking multiple exposures while it moves through. | ||
There's a thing called... | ||
Is that George Carlin behind your desk? | ||
Is that what it is? | ||
Yeah, that's the Dahlia. | ||
That's the Chris Dahlia. | ||
It moved to the other side now. | ||
It's George Carlin? | ||
Is that who it actually is? | ||
That's George Carlin. | ||
That's pretty cool. | ||
You got that above your desk? | ||
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Yeah. | |
There's a thing called Roswell Rods. | ||
See how it looks all long like that? | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
And Roswell Rods, there was this guy that me and Eddie Bravo back in the smoke too much weed every day days... | ||
We were convinced that there were these things that were moving too fast for the human eye to see. | ||
And there there's gelatinous jellyfish-like creatures that are shaped like a tube. | ||
Where'd you get this idea? | ||
See how they look? | ||
See those things? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Where'd you get the idea? | ||
You'd seen it? | ||
Well, I'd seen a video. | ||
See that one, that black and white one where it showed right above your cursor, Jamie? | ||
To the right? | ||
Right there. | ||
Click on that one. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That sort of iconic image of the Roswell Rod had me convinced, like, oh my god, there's these things in the sky. | ||
And the only way you could capture them was with video cameras. | ||
So they'd set these video cameras up, and they would get these things on video, and this guy made this documentary. | ||
I think a couple of documentaries. | ||
I think if you go to roswellrods.com, it's got a whole website there. | ||
It is nothing but a video artifact. | ||
There's a show called, one of those monster shows, one of those history channel shows or discovery channel shows, and they solved the mystery. | ||
They set up two cameras in front of this fireplace, or in front of this campfire. | ||
One of them, was it a campfire? | ||
No. | ||
I think it was actually a lantern, whatever it was. | ||
They set up these two cameras. | ||
One of them was standard resolution, and the other one was HD. So one of them captured multiple frames per second, like many, many, many frames per second, very high resolution. | ||
And in that one, you clearly see bugs. | ||
Clearly. | ||
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You see a bug. | |
You see a bug. | ||
A very easily defined bug. | ||
And the other one that's low resolution and doesn't capture as many frames per second, all those images are stretched out and it looks like tubes. | ||
So in the exact same place, at the exact same time, with two cameras right next to each other, you get two very different images. | ||
One of them is all stretched out from the low resolution camera like your security camera. | ||
The other one is high resolution. | ||
You can see it's clearly a bug. | ||
I guarantee you, one million percent, that is a fucking bug. | ||
Alright, I'll buy that one. | ||
See if you can find that. | ||
I'm convinced. | ||
But, that other one. | ||
You're a ghost lover, bro. | ||
I am a ghost lover. | ||
I love all of it. | ||
I love being in a spooky old house, a nice old church, theaters. | ||
The Comedy Store Belly Room scares me sometimes. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I've taken people up there. | ||
I go, just stand here and tell me if you don't feel weird. | ||
In the belly room. | ||
There's something about the belly room. | ||
When you go above those stairs, it's just like there's something about that room, especially when there's no show going on. | ||
It just feels like your body's telling you, get the fuck out of here. | ||
Right? | ||
Let's get out of here. | ||
So what is that? | ||
You're a bitch. | ||
You're in the stairs, not me. | ||
I'm a bitch! | ||
Me, I'm a bitch. | ||
I'm talking to myself. | ||
The back one, off the main room, the dressing area, whenever you're back there by yourself, that's a weird feeling. | ||
That's a sketchy spot. | ||
Yeah, that's a really weird feeling. | ||
Isn't that where Kinison said he saw like a, didn't he see like a quarter move in the air or something? | ||
He ate a pound of cocaine that night. | ||
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That guy snorted so much coke, who the fuck knows what he saw? | |
Yeah, he's not a good scientist. | ||
Well, Carla Bow, who was Guinness and sidekick, had a great story about getting kicked out of the comedy store. | ||
And he told it on stage one night that he got kicked out, not of the comedy store, excuse me, kicked out of his home. | ||
Got in a fight with his wife. | ||
You know, get out, fuck you. | ||
I'm going to the goddamn comedy store. | ||
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Yeah. | |
So he went to the comedy store, because I think he was working security at the store, so he had keys. | ||
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Yeah. | |
So he said, I'm going to sleep on this stage. | ||
I'm going to make it one day. | ||
I want to be a big famous comedian. | ||
I'm like, this is my fucking stage. | ||
I want to sleep here. | ||
So he slept there. | ||
Main room? | ||
In the dark. | ||
Main room. | ||
In the dark. | ||
And he hears something in the background. | ||
And he hears like a door. | ||
Click, click. | ||
And he like picks his head up. | ||
Pitch black. | ||
Can't see shit. | ||
Hello? | ||
Hello? | ||
It's Carl! | ||
Hey, I got kicked out of my house. | ||
I'm sleeping here, if anybody's here wondering. | ||
And then he hears chairs moving, clink, clink, clink, clink. | ||
And he's like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
Hello? | ||
And then something grabs him by the ankle and pulls him off the stage, into the crowd, into where the seats are, crashing into the chairs. | ||
And then, boom, the door shuts, and boom, another door shuts, and it's gone. | ||
And he's laying on the ground. | ||
In the middle of the main room with a bunch of knocked over chairs, something had grabbed his ankle and pulled him off the stage. | ||
Or he did a lot of coke with Kinnison. | ||
He was, right? | ||
He was another one. | ||
But it's a great story. | ||
That is a great story. | ||
He told it on stage one night at the store. | ||
I was like, holy shit, this is amazing. | ||
Yeah, that's a good question. | ||
I've never asked the audience if they feel weird in there. | ||
No, I don't think they do. | ||
They're drunk. | ||
They're drunk and they're watching a show. | ||
They're having a good time. | ||
Yeah, they're having fun. | ||
They're there for fun. | ||
The basement feels weird. | ||
You had such a funny – I saw you like a week ago working stuff out on the main stage. | ||
That whole thing about back of the hand. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
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Don't talk. | |
I won't. | ||
Don't give up my material. | ||
I won't. | ||
I know. | ||
Yeah, I'm working that. | ||
But so that whole area was so funny. | ||
Oh, thank you. | ||
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Thank you. | |
It's the most rewarding feeling ever when you have a chunk and it just becomes something over time. | ||
It's like a miracle. | ||
It's like a plant. | ||
I know. | ||
In the beginning it's like a couple of leaves and a stick and it's like, I hope this fucking becomes a tree. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
Now it's like a tree. | ||
Now it's got branches and you can hang from it. | ||
Yeah, and like branches it goes off in these different places. | ||
So fun. | ||
It was fun to watch. | ||
I can't imagine not doing that. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's the most fun thing to do. | ||
I know. | ||
Well, you get addicted to it, too. | ||
When you don't do it, you start feeling like a weirdo. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Once you've done it a bunch, that's it. | ||
Yeah, you start getting weird. | ||
You go on vacation for a week, and you're like, what do I do? | ||
Do I go to dinners now? | ||
Walk around Thailand. | ||
Do you guys have comedy out here? | ||
No comedy at all? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Weird. | ||
You brought a bag to Jamie, too. | ||
Oh yeah, I gave Jamie. | ||
I know. | ||
Jamie's gonna come back tomorrow with a little belly. | ||
It's a beauty. | ||
It is a beauty. | ||
A little bread belly. | ||
He doesn't have a toaster. | ||
You don't have a... | ||
What are you, a savage? | ||
I just didn't get... | ||
I threw my old one away. | ||
I was planning on getting a new one. | ||
I just never did. | ||
He's a bachelor. | ||
Well, good thing is you can get them anywhere. | ||
I know. | ||
It's not like they're hard to find. | ||
I don't need a lot of toast either, so it's not a big deal. | ||
Well, do they have them at Best Buy? | ||
They have them everywhere. | ||
Amazon will probably have it at your house before you get home. | ||
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Right? | |
They deliver. | ||
They have their own trucks now. | ||
I know. | ||
They've made me so snotty. | ||
I'm like, it won't be here today? | ||
You know what's interesting? | ||
It's like, we have this attitude about business, right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's nice when someone works hard and creates a business and becomes successful. | ||
But it's not when they become too successful. | ||
It's not when they are the business. | ||
And then we think, that's a monopoly, we've got to break that up. | ||
I hear a lot of people saying that they should break up Amazon. | ||
Yeah, they're too big. | ||
It's too good. | ||
So you want to wait five days for a book? | ||
But the idea is you want other people to be able to open up bookstores. | ||
Yep. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I know. | ||
I'm not an economist. | ||
Clearly, I don't even know. | ||
I'm not a rocket scientist. | ||
I'm clearly not an economics expert. | ||
I know. | ||
I see the arguments, but I also see a little bit of hater in those arguments. | ||
Thanks for writing that quote for my book, by the way. | ||
My pleasure, my friend. | ||
That was really great. | ||
When is your book out? | ||
They can pre-order it now, but it comes out in May. | ||
And you can pre-order it where? | ||
Amazon. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
Yeah. | ||
We're talking about Amazon and your book is coming out on Amazon. | ||
That is nuts. | ||
That's like a ghost. | ||
It's like they know. | ||
Hey, back to the comedy store thing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Wasn't there a story that someone came in, a waitress came in and all the chairs were stacked in a pile? | ||
Yeah, but I never talked to that waitress. | ||
Did you? | ||
No. | ||
I don't even know if it was a waitress. | ||
I've talked to people that have had weird experiences. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But you never know, man. | ||
People are tired. | ||
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I know. | |
It's the end of the day. | ||
There's a lot. | ||
The power of suggestion. | ||
But then there's also the reality that that used to be Bugsy Siegel's nightclub and that people were murdered there. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Bugsy Siegel was a legit gangster and they killed people in that club. | ||
In that club. | ||
Apparently they killed people in the basement. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's the word. | ||
Have you ever been in the basement? | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
The podcast. | ||
Podcast. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
That doesn't feel creepy. | ||
A little bit weird. | ||
It feels a little weird. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It was weird when I did Argus' show down there. | ||
I was like, he might be haunted. | ||
Argus has been dead for years. | ||
Argus has got some good fucking material, man. | ||
Argus. | ||
Argus is a hustler. | ||
He's always writing. | ||
It's no joke. | ||
No joke at all. | ||
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It's no joke. | |
I saw him kill the other night in the main room on a Saturday night. | ||
I was like, he is fucking good, man. | ||
With jokes written like that day, that week. | ||
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Yes. | |
I know. | ||
Like really current event jokes, but tight, good, solid jokes. | ||
He's no joke. | ||
I follow him a lot. | ||
I end up going on after him a lot there. | ||
And I'm just always amazed. | ||
Not like just from the headlines, like a late night show, this kind of worked. | ||
Isn't that funny? | ||
They're good jokes. | ||
And you know, he's a guy that never threw in the towel. | ||
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Yeah. | |
That's the thing about Argus. | ||
I mean, he writes all the time for periodicals. | ||
He writes jokes for newspapers and stuff like that. | ||
And he runs, I think something crazy, like at least 10 miles a day. | ||
What? | ||
Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
He runs in Hollywood. | ||
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Wow. | |
He's out there, and the streets are his gym. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, we were hanging around the store one night, and Argus pulled in with fucking sweatpants on, all sweaty and shit. | ||
I go, what are you doing? | ||
He goes, I'm just getting back from a run. | ||
He was out there running. | ||
I was like, whoa. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Yeah, he's the real deal. | ||
I mean, he's been at the store forever. | ||
From the 70s. | ||
From the 70s. | ||
I mean, he used to date Mitzi. | ||
He did? | ||
You didn't know that? | ||
No. | ||
Yeah. | ||
He was Mitzi's boyfriend. | ||
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Wow. | |
There he is. | ||
That's Argus Hamilton. | ||
Wow. | ||
Look at young Argus. | ||
Your son. | ||
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Wow. | |
That's Argus Papa. | ||
Argus Papa. | ||
In a time machine. | ||
Yeah, I mean, he's been swinging at the store forever. | ||
Look at him there. | ||
On the Tonight Show, 1981. I was in 8th grade. | ||
Oh my god, I was in 9th grade. | ||
That's crazy. | ||
I was in high school. | ||
That was my first year of high school. | ||
He was already on the fucking Tonight Show. | ||
I probably saw him on the Tonight Show. | ||
You know, that was one of the things that inspired me to do stand-up, is watching Richard Jenny on the Tonight Show. | ||
Oh, Jenny. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Watching comics do stand-up on The Tonight Show was one of my favorite things. | ||
When a stand-up would come on, I had a TV in my bedroom, like a 12-inch TV, and we had rabbit ears. | ||
I'd get whatever was on regular network. | ||
People don't even know what that is anymore. | ||
It's so crazy. | ||
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Folks, there's a signal that's in the sky, and you can pick up the TV. If you put tinfoil on the end of it, you'll get an even better picture. | |
It's even better reception. | ||
You had to fuck with the antenna, remember? | ||
Like, you could stand there. | ||
I would stand there sometimes and hold it in a certain way. | ||
And you know when it was really great? | ||
When it snowed. | ||
Right. | ||
When it snowed out, you got great service. | ||
Yeah, the ionization or something. | ||
It happens with cell phones, too, you know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
When it snows out, you get better cell phone reception. | ||
Yeah. | ||
There's something going on with it. | ||
with it i still use one from time to time because in la depending on where you are there are a lot of free 4k hd stations that are going over just wherever you are through the air um and then i'm watching sporting events because that's the clearest it would be because it'd be better than what you're getting streamed online when a helicopter would go over your house the signal would break up oh yeah the waves yeah yeah how did it how did it affect your toaster | ||
so the helicopter the whip would with the air and it would mess up the signal It's all waves, right? | ||
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Wow. | |
How weird, man. | ||
I remember we had this tiny little TV room at my grandparents' house and the men would sit in there on this tiny little couch and I'd have to hold the antenna. | ||
So they could watch the game. | ||
Well, I used to have a wrench to change the channel because the thing broke off. | ||
Remember there was a little piece of plastic? | ||
You would have to click, click, click to change the channels. | ||
And the thing broke off. | ||
So I'd get in there with a wrench and have to pop, pop until you change the channel. | ||
We used to keep a wrench on top of the TV. Remember finding the UHF channels? | ||
Yes. | ||
Like, this is crazy. | ||
Benny Hill. | ||
Yeah, Benny Hill, Uncle Floyd. | ||
Oh my god, just crazy people. | ||
Uncle Floyd was the guy in New Jersey. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Most people don't know who he is. | ||
I worked with him. | ||
You did? | ||
I did stand-up with him. | ||
He's still out there, I think, now. | ||
Is he really? | ||
Yeah, my cousins, I think, saw him in some place in Wayne, New Jersey or something. | ||
Dude, I did a Bob Gonzo gig with Uncle Floyd on the shore in Jersey. | ||
Me and... | ||
He was the best. | ||
Wow, there he is. | ||
Look at him. | ||
Very nice guy. | ||
Bowtie, plaid jacket. | ||
Me and Otto and George. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
That makes perfect sense. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Look at him. | ||
He's a handsome man. | ||
I fucking bombed. | ||
You did? | ||
Went on after him. | ||
Ate shit. | ||
After Uncle Floyd? | ||
Yeah. | ||
They didn't want to see me at all. | ||
Would he do songs? | ||
Or would he just do stand-up? | ||
I don't remember. | ||
I don't remember. | ||
I believe he brought puppets. | ||
And he had a show on UHF that just ran forever. | ||
Forever in New Jersey. | ||
The Uncle Floyd show, Monday through Friday, 6.30 p.m., And he just kept going. | ||
Cable Television Network of New Jersey. | ||
It's like Public Access. | ||
Look at him. | ||
Wow. | ||
Yeah, it was like Public Access. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Do you remember Public Access? | ||
You used to be able to do your own show. | ||
You could go down to the Public Access station. | ||
Yep. | ||
I did it. | ||
There was a guy named Larry Rapucci. | ||
Me and I think Todd Parker were the ones. | ||
We did, like when we were both, all three of us were open micers. | ||
We did a show on cable access TV in Boston. | ||
It was your own show? | ||
Well, we just did a show. | ||
I think we did one episode and I was wearing a dress. | ||
I forget. | ||
It was like a game show, like a dating show type of deal. | ||
Yeah, it's great. | ||
We created it ourselves. | ||
I'm sure it was terrible. | ||
Yeah, but you were doing it. | ||
This was so great. | ||
Yeah, and then one of my friends said, did I see you on TV wearing a dress? | ||
I was like, probably. | ||
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Probably. | |
That's so great. | ||
All these maniacs. | ||
That's the only people that would do it. | ||
Uncle Floyd, right? | ||
And there was the porn one in New York. | ||
There was a porn one? | ||
Cable access? | ||
Yeah, kind of porny. | ||
She was famous. | ||
She was like legendary in New York. | ||
Oh, I know who you're talking about. | ||
Right? | ||
Well, Howard Stern had a cable access show, didn't he? | ||
No, he had close. | ||
He had WOR. That's right. | ||
Which is like Channel 9 in New York in the day. | ||
That's right. | ||
He had a weird gig. | ||
Weird like small show. | ||
Back when Howard Stern was... | ||
He was still huge. | ||
But he wasn't huge like he became. | ||
Yeah, but he was popular. | ||
He was big at the time. | ||
He was big, but... | ||
I'm trying to compare to somebody. | ||
I think it was before Private Parts. | ||
It was like during Fartman, during that whole era. | ||
It was before then even, I think. | ||
Jackie the Jokeman. | ||
This is the girl, the porn girl? | ||
Yeah, that's her. | ||
Robin Bird. | ||
Robin Bird, of course, of course. | ||
That's right. | ||
Yeah, and she would do, it wasn't like, you know, you couldn't go complete porn, but look, she'd have, yeah, she would. | ||
Well, that's why I said I'm not making fun of it. | ||
Oh, that's an SNL sketch making fun of Robin Bird. | ||
But she would have a lot of drag queens on and just talk about sex. | ||
Wholesomely pornographic Robin Bird sued Time Warner. | ||
And she had a cool voice and she was just a mainstay. | ||
Well, do you remember when there was a talk radio channel in LA? Like Tom Likas was on it and there was two girls that would talk about sex all the time. | ||
Oh yeah. | ||
Yeah, I forget. | ||
One of them, I think, was in Playboy. | ||
Right. | ||
And they had Tim Conway Jr., Conway and Steckler. | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
Remember? | ||
I don't remember this, no. | ||
Yeah, man. | ||
There was a channel, an all-talk radio channel. | ||
And this was in the 90s, I remember, because I would listen to it when I was on the way to news radio. | ||
I would listen to the radio when I was on the way to do the set. | ||
Right. | ||
To the set. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
Like in the morning? | ||
Yeah. | ||
And in the afternoon when I was coming home. | ||
Oh, that's where you guys were? | ||
Sunset and Gower? | ||
Sunset and Gower, yeah. | ||
I think we were at CBS Radford originally, maybe for a little bit. | ||
I did Hardball at CBS Radford, and then Sunset and Gower. | ||
I remember looking at all those other shows, like real shows, like shows on Friends. | ||
Everybody has envy. | ||
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It's funny. | |
Always. | ||
You're on a network show, thinking, oh, if only I could be over there. | ||
And to this day, it's one of my fondest memories. | ||
But there was a time, I remember, we were all sitting around the set, and we... | ||
We kept getting moved. | ||
We got moved no less than nine times over the course of five years. | ||
Nine times? | ||
Yeah, we just kept getting moved. | ||
See, the thing is with shows back then in particular, it all is about who owns the show. | ||
If NBC owns the show, then you're golden. | ||
They're going to put you in the great spot and hook you up. | ||
On their network. | ||
Yeah, they're going to put you right after Friends or right after Seinfeld. | ||
That's the sweet thing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That was a Thursday night. | ||
It was the sweet spot, baby. | ||
They used to call it the hammock spot, right? | ||
Between Friends and Seinfeld. | ||
Well, yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Some people would call it that. | ||
And it was... | ||
We were all sitting around the set. | ||
And one of the guys from the... | ||
You know, someone brought in the ratings. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I'm like, fuck. | ||
And then everyone was complaining and this and that. | ||
And everyone was so down. | ||
And I was like, hey, last time I checked, we're on fucking TV. Yeah. | ||
I know we're like number 80th. | ||
My friend Lou Morton, he was one of the writers who would come in every day with a shirt, with Sharpie, the number that we were on. | ||
And one day he came in and said 88. I was like, really? | ||
He's like, really? | ||
Fuck! | ||
News radio? | ||
It was 88? | ||
Oh my god, we didn't do well until we got cancelled. | ||
News Radio did great in reruns. | ||
That's when people got a chance to see how funny it was. | ||
That's so weird. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
That's so weird. | ||
It's weird how many times that happens, too. | ||
Like Arrested Development. | ||
Yeah, well, a lot of those shows, it's all about where it is. | ||
Yeah, I know. | ||
I know. | ||
It's all about where they put it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So wait, so it was on that All Talk Radio, was that the guy who would, what was his name, who would, he would do all the voices, he would do all the characters? | ||
No, he was on it too, though. | ||
Phil Hendry. | ||
Phil Hendry. | ||
Phil Hendry would, he would, and he still does it. | ||
If you've never heard Phil Hendry, he's a goddamn genius. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Phil Hendry would answer the phone and then he would be the caller. | ||
So he would call up with these ridiculous... | ||
He would say ridiculous shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Where you're like, how can this guy be real? | ||
And people would get so angry. | ||
And then other people would call in. | ||
Like, that man is so ignorant. | ||
And then he would say, no man, you're ignorant. | ||
I am standing here in front of the Journal of American Medicine. | ||
And he would... | ||
Just go on these, and most people were in on the gag. | ||
Yeah, right. | ||
I wouldn't even say most people, maybe like 60% of the people were in on the gag. | ||
It was great. | ||
It's so good. | ||
I remember being parked in front of my house, like listening to it, like, what the fuck, man? | ||
What's he doing? | ||
I know. | ||
It was amazing. | ||
I think he's still around. | ||
Yeah, I think he is. | ||
I think you're right. | ||
What does he do these days? | ||
Does he have a radio show? | ||
He's probably working with Uncle Floyd. | ||
The Phil Henry Show. | ||
The Phil Henry Show. | ||
Is it on the radio? | ||
The YouTubes. | ||
Official HQ. Today's show. | ||
It's about iTunes. | ||
SoundCloud. | ||
When I hear about... | ||
Okay, that's good. | ||
When I hear people that are still doing radio radio, I'm like, oof. | ||
Do you have any other options? | ||
Is there other ways? | ||
Can you get out? | ||
I'm on SiriusXM right now. | ||
That's different. | ||
That's different. | ||
Oh, you mean like terrestrial? | ||
You mean terrestrial. | ||
Yeah, like radio. | ||
Like over the air radio. | ||
Yeah, I know. | ||
But you know what? | ||
There is something. | ||
I was in a couple towns. | ||
Columbus, Ohio, Denver even, where they have a strong terrestrial radio station that's popular. | ||
Austin does. | ||
Austin still does. | ||
Dudley and Bob. | ||
It's such a cool thing, and we've kind of lost something. | ||
Because they're talking about the show that's coming to our town. | ||
It creates a sense of community that you don't have in other things. | ||
Right, and it's live. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's happening over the air. | ||
Tool's coming in this weekend. | ||
We'll be there. | ||
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You'll be there. | |
But it's also censored. | ||
That's a real issue. | ||
Yeah, for sure. | ||
It's not perfect. | ||
I mean, look, one thing that we all owe Howard Stern a huge debt of gratitude is that he was sued by the FCC. Yeah. | ||
Like legit? | ||
Yeah. | ||
He was sued. | ||
He lost a shitload of money. | ||
The media company... | ||
What was the company that had his show? | ||
Whatever the company was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
They were fined hundreds of thousands of dollars. | ||
Right. | ||
For him, like, for almost nothing. | ||
This was during the Bush administration. | ||
They were going after him. | ||
Do you remember that? | ||
Yeah, I remember it. | ||
Dude, they went after him. | ||
They went after him hard to the point where it was scary. | ||
Where, like, you would hear about it, and you're like, what? | ||
Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
And you would hear about the things that he got fined. | ||
See if you can find the things that Howard Stern got. | ||
The top five things he got fined for. | ||
Yeah, let's pull that up. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
Because listen, man, whatever anybody wants to say about Howard Stern, that motherfucker opened the door for all of us. | ||
All of us. | ||
For me, 100%. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Okay, let me see. | ||
It's like the first thing is the fart man stunt. | ||
Well, he got fined for that on television? | ||
That was on television. | ||
Because he showed his ass? | ||
Okay, it's not really a surprise that he exposed his butt cheeks in a $10,000 gold spandex superhero costume, blah, blah, blah. | ||
Where does it say he got fined? | ||
Where does it say he got fined for that? | ||
I guess it's just his, I don't, it said his, oh, most outrageous offenses, I guess. | ||
Oh, outrageous offenses. | ||
Sorry, hold on. | ||
He was, he was. | ||
Aunt Jemima joke, I saw. | ||
Yeah, well, there was a lot of stuff that he said, you know, that you would look at it today, like in terms of like a podcast, you'd say, oh, that's not even outrageous. | ||
So here's the things that he got fined for. | ||
Let's make that, look at the fucking numbers, man. | ||
August 12th, 1993, $500,000. | ||
Infinity Broadcast Network got fined. | ||
Oh, right, Infinity. | ||
$600,000 and $500,000. | ||
$600,000 December 18, 1992, and then August 12, 1993, $500,000. | ||
So within a year, six months' time, even. | ||
Look, 90 to 2004. Look at that. | ||
In one year's time, six months' time, they get fired $1,100,000. | ||
Jeez Louise. | ||
Fucking insane, man. | ||
Wow. | ||
I wonder what the offenses were. | ||
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It's fucking crazy. | |
Mostly language? | ||
I'm sure it's language or subject matter or potty humor, you know. | ||
Fuck, man. | ||
Crazy. | ||
I mean, we think about this today in terms of, like, what we get away with on podcasts. | ||
Oh, God. | ||
Oh, my God. | ||
Total freedom. | ||
Total freedom. | ||
And I think a lot of that was opened, that door was opened because of Howard Stern. | ||
What does it say, that? | ||
It says, playing the piano with his penis... | ||
She recorded that Chris... | ||
Okay, let me read this. | ||
WJK... JFK FM in Washington, D.C. became the third Infinity Station to air the Howard Stern Show in 1988. Two months later, Ann Stalmel of New Jersey mistakenly tuned her radio... | ||
To hear Stern talk about having naked women in for an upcoming show, she recorded the Christmas party broadcast on December 16th that featured a man playing the piano with his penis, a choir singing about gay sex to the tune of White Christmas and women being hypnotized to achieve orgasm. | ||
Under the referral of her senator, this fucking crazy lady called a senator and congressman, Stummel filed a complaint with transcripts and a tape of the program. | ||
The FCC reviewed the evidence and asked Infinity in October 1989 for an explanation as the material, in quotes, may have violated federal law by including indecent programming during daytime hours. | ||
Isn't that funny? | ||
Like, at nighttime, it's okay to get naughty. | ||
Yeah. | ||
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Karmazin argued that the term patently offensive in its new ruling was vague, and the sexual references cited were no more offensive than daytime television shows, Geraldo, and Donahue, which use similar terms without repercussions. | ||
His response was later rejected, da-da-da-da-da, FCC. Yeah, so they started fining him back then in 88. I would imagine that for terrestrial radio, a lot of that still holds, right? | ||
I bet you could get away with a lot more now. | ||
And because of him, because of Howard Stern, because of all the... | ||
I mean, look, and he was under the gun, man. | ||
He stuck to his guns. | ||
He kept doing the same program. | ||
I mean, it's a vastly different program now, and people criticize him because of that, but look, he's a different person. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You shouldn't have to do that old show. | ||
No. | ||
He should do whatever he wants. | ||
Right. | ||
That's who he is now. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
You know? | ||
But I work for NPR. I do this live from here, which was Prairie Home Companion. | ||
And I do this thing on that show. | ||
And they have comedians on once in a while. | ||
And they have musicians. | ||
And they are really strict. | ||
When a comic is about to go out there... | ||
He's told 20 times what he can and can't say. | ||
And it's like really, really, really strict. | ||
And if you violate it, if you say the wrong thing, they get a fine for every station that it airs on throughout the network. | ||
Oh, Jesus. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So if they have 100 stations, there's 100 fines. | ||
Yes, exactly. | ||
It's still really serious. | ||
And that's... | ||
Censorship. | ||
6 o'clock in the evening in the East Coast. | ||
It's so ridiculous. | ||
It's... | ||
You know, look... | ||
I get it if you have a program and it's a rated PG program and this is the way you want it because it's for kids and it's for families and stuff like that. | ||
But for the government to step in, it's ridiculous. | ||
It really is ridiculous. | ||
And the fact that this was... | ||
You know, people had to endure this for so long. | ||
I mean, before Howard Stern, people have to realize there was no one. | ||
There was no one like that. | ||
There was Don Imus, who was kind of controversial in some ways. | ||
Yeah, he was. | ||
And then Stern, who is just a totally different animal. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
He opened the door for podcasts, for sure. | ||
Yeah. | ||
All these outrageous people doing podcasts, he made the roadmap. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
100%. | ||
We'll show you. | ||
You can come over to this side of the street and no one's going to mess with you. | ||
Well, and when they opened up the door, like what you're on, Sirius Satellite Radio. | ||
Sirius Satellite Radio is also responsible for podcasts because they showed that you could do things uncensored. | ||
Right. | ||
They were the first place. | ||
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Yeah. | |
First real outlet. | ||
Sirius XM. Yeah. | ||
Both of them together. | ||
XM and then they merged. | ||
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Right. | |
So if you're subscribing to it, that means that you're willing to participate. | ||
You're paying for it. | ||
It's not like public terrestrial radio where if you just get in your car and it pops on. | ||
Right. | ||
So if you were listening to Opie and Anthony, if you were listening to Howard Stern, you could hear wild shit. | ||
Right. | ||
And then podcasts sort of came out of that. | ||
Right. | ||
And this podcast is directly because of Opie and Anthony, 100%. | ||
Oh, yeah? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Yeah, because they set it up the way their show was, and you've done it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's a hang. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You would go in there and everybody would hang out. | ||
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Right. | |
It was real loose. | ||
Very loose. | ||
Guys would come in, hey, Tom Pop is here. | ||
What's up, Tom? | ||
What are you doing? | ||
I'm playing Caroline's and this and that, making bread. | ||
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Yeah. | |
And everybody would have a good time and just know there was no structure to it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Whereas Stern had much more structure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Yeah, a lot more bits, and we're going to go into this now, and that kind of thing. | ||
And he was actually... | ||
A classic radio. | ||
Yeah, he worked the board and shit. | ||
He was moving the dials and stuff. | ||
Had writers. | ||
Yeah, he had people working for him. | ||
He was more structured. | ||
Opie and Anthony was more of a hang. | ||
Right, yeah. | ||
And then Anthony started doing live from the compound. | ||
He had this house in Long Island, and he was with a fucking machine gun posing in front of a green screen, singing karaoke. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I remember thinking, God damn, I wish I did that in my house. | ||
I want that set up. | ||
Because he had a studio set up at his house. | ||
I was like, fuck, I need one of those. | ||
Because he could just, anytime he wanted, just go live and start talking about things. | ||
And it would stream. | ||
And the internet was not that good back then. | ||
All this happened. | ||
Just starting. | ||
Yeah, I think he was doing it in 2006 or something like that. | ||
While he was still on the show. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
And they were giving him a hard time about it. | ||
Right. | ||
They were telling him you can't do that. | ||
And he was like, but it only gets more people to listen to the radio show. | ||
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Right. | |
It's not going to take anything away from the radio show. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
Which I definitely agree with. | ||
They got fired, right? | ||
A bunch of times. | ||
With that church thing? | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
With St. Patrick's Cathedral? | ||
Yeah, Norton was just here. | ||
Oh, he was? | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
That's great. | ||
He's the last guest. | ||
Oh, yeah? | ||
I love him. | ||
He's the best. | ||
He's the best. | ||
He's so quick. | ||
He's such a maniac. | ||
He's so funny. | ||
He's hilarious. | ||
Oh, God. | ||
Yeah, they got fired, and then he realized how quickly everything can go away, because he was like, fuck, I was out of money. | ||
And I think they were fired for like two years. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They couldn't be in the air in two years. | ||
That's right. | ||
And so then they went to Sirius. | ||
Right. | ||
And they got hired by Sirius. | ||
And they had that thing where they would do both at the same time, right? | ||
They started with Sirius, but they were back on Terrestrial. | ||
Remember they would do the walk? | ||
I did it with them. | ||
Yeah, you'd do the walk. | ||
You'd do the walk. | ||
We would broadcast with wireless microphones walking through New York City. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, it was like a block and a half away. | ||
So you'd get out, they would strap you up with these wireless mics, and then we were walking down the street talking... | ||
It was on the air. | ||
It was great. | ||
I felt, I really felt fortunate to be a part of that. | ||
Like, I felt like I was a part of history. | ||
I know. | ||
It felt like there was, it was like, it was, that's where the action was. | ||
For comedians, too. | ||
They made it such a home for comics. | ||
A hundred percent. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And anybody, and you look forward to, like, there was never a time where I didn't want to do it. | ||
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You know? | |
Right. | ||
I don't want to get up in the morning and do this. | ||
It was like, fuck yeah. | ||
Yeah, because you never knew who was going to be there. | ||
Patrice would be in there, and Colin, and that was the best. | ||
Even when my shows were sold out, I still made it in there. | ||
Yeah, of course. | ||
I was like, I'm going in there, man. | ||
It was fun. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It felt like it was a clubhouse. | ||
And you also could be yourself. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's like, unabashedly be yourself. | ||
Norton's in there talking about trannies. | ||
You know, his experiences with Ladies of the Night and all this crazy shit, and Patrice was ragging on everybody, and Louie would be there, and Burr would be there. | ||
There's us. | ||
There's me and little Jimmy. | ||
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Yeah, that's great. | |
Back in the day. | ||
Oh, there's Tom. | ||
Look at Tom Segura! | ||
That's right. | ||
Look at Tom. | ||
That's Fat Tom. | ||
Fat Owl Tom. | ||
Tom was heavy then, boy. | ||
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Woo! | |
And that was when we were... | ||
2005, it looks like? | ||
I said that you were talking about the Silva leg break, and Oh, okay. | ||
So that was later than that. | ||
Yeah, because that's not the XM studio. | ||
Wasn't? | ||
Isn't it? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Maybe it is. | ||
It seems like it is. | ||
It's Sirius. | ||
Yeah, it has that thing. | ||
The glass wall behind it is where Sirius was. | ||
But that, I feel real fortunate to be a part of that. | ||
It was cool. | ||
It was a good time. | ||
And Anthony, when he would... | ||
Latch into something that was as funny as any of the comedians. | ||
Oh, he was genius. | ||
He still is. | ||
He's still hilarious. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I haven't heard his new thing very often. | ||
Well, it's all the subscription. | ||
He's decided to go to a complete subscription model so that no one could ever fuck with him anymore and pull him off of things And he has a loyal fan base. | ||
It's compound media He actually has a whole bunch of different shows that people can get from compound media So you get a subscription and then you get his show and a bunch of other shows Right. | ||
He would just get that glint in his eye when they get onto a subject and you just He was like a like a dog with a little toy and just knew he had something and There's a real benefit in what he does, in that the only people that are going to that are people that want to see his show and hear his show. | ||
So he can say the most outrageous shit, and he's never going to get fired. | ||
Because if people subscribe or they unsubscribe, it's probably a wash. | ||
I'm sure he gains subscribers. | ||
Maybe he'll gain subscribers because we're talking about it. | ||
But it was that interesting thing where it was the combination of those guys. | ||
100%. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
They, over the years, had that rhythm. | ||
And Obi would lob it in, and then just to see it all break up at the end was really sad. | ||
Fuck yeah, it's sad. | ||
They should come back. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, I don't think Anthony wants to. | ||
I don't think he would ever want to again. | ||
No, it got pretty cantankerous. | ||
Yeah, they don't like each other anymore. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And it's too bad. | ||
I mean, Anthony, on his show, they would shit on Opie. | ||
Oh, they would. | ||
Yeah, it's like it got bad. | ||
Yeah, it got ugly. | ||
Yeah, and then Opie got fired. | ||
He was doing Opie and Jim? | ||
Was he doing Opie Radio? | ||
Opie Radio. | ||
And then he got fired for filming someone in the bathroom. | ||
Someone was taking a shit, and he filmed them. | ||
Yep. | ||
I don't know. | ||
Radio pranks gone awry. | ||
Yeah, you can't do that. | ||
No, you can't. | ||
It turns out you can't publicly shame people when they're shitting. | ||
But if you came, like if I was taking a shit and you opened up the door and you go, hey, Joe, I'd be like, hey, you motherfucker, shut the door. | ||
I would never think you're going to lose your job for that. | ||
We would be laughing. | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
So it's like, it comes from an innocent place. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It comes from a place that we would all do something like that. | ||
Sophomoric. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But it all depends on who it is, right? | ||
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Like, if you had a guy working for you, and you were the boss, and he was shy, and you filmed him shitting, then it would be... | ||
Totally. | ||
Yeah, then it's like, hey, don't do that. | ||
No, there's your inner circle of where you know it's going to be allowed. | ||
But it was like me, and I opened up the door when Jimmy was taking a shit, and I filmed him, you know, he'd be screaming and laughing at me, and it would be fun. | ||
Right. | ||
It wouldn't, you know, we're equals. | ||
Trans girls just spilling out of the stall. | ||
Drop ceiling. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Oh, hey, Joe! | ||
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Yeah, he's... | |
Little lizard man in there. | ||
But there was a thing that you could get on that show where it was just... | ||
It was so wild and loose. | ||
We had this... | ||
Do you remember Stalker Patty? | ||
Yes. | ||
Stalker Patty, we... | ||
I had these pot breath strips, right? | ||
And if you took one of these breath strips, it would literally put you in another dimension. | ||
They were so goddamn strong. | ||
I gave Segura one on a plane, and when it landed, he goes, I almost asked to be taken off the plane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I go, you serious? | ||
He goes, yeah. | ||
I was like, I can't do this. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
I go, come on, man. | ||
Really? | ||
I go, I took it, too. | ||
He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
He goes, I wasn't ready for that. | ||
I wasn't ready for that. | ||
He goes, before the plane took off, it had already kicked in, and I was on the runway, and I was saying, I gotta get off this plane. | ||
I gotta get off this plane. | ||
I can't do this. | ||
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I gotta get off this plane. | |
The worst feeling in the world. | ||
And we were flying to Florida. | ||
Oh, the worst feeling. | ||
So anyway, Stalker Patty was there and we gave her a regular Listerine breath strip and told her that it was a pot breath strip. | ||
And so she started having these psychosomatic hallucinations. | ||
She started believing she was hallucinating. | ||
So Ari stood in front of her with his balls out of his pants. | ||
He pulled his balls out of his pants and zipped up everything else, so it would just be a sack. | ||
Just sack out. | ||
And Ari was like, are you hallucinating? | ||
Do you see anything? | ||
And she's like, oh my god! | ||
Oh my god! | ||
He's like, what? | ||
What's going on? | ||
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What? | |
What's happening? | ||
And she started seeing things that weren't there, and it was just so ridiculous. | ||
That's hilarious. | ||
But again, you could... | ||
No fine. | ||
Bear stalker Patty. | ||
And not getting fined. | ||
That's it. | ||
Stalker Patty trips out, yeah. | ||
Look at you. | ||
Look at you. | ||
What year is that? | ||
Well, I had hair. | ||
You had hair? | ||
So it was probably 2009, 8, 7, somewhere around there. | ||
I think I shaved my head 2011 or 12. But he's, you know, or she, you know, was a regular on the show and she was like a legitimate crazy person. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And they would have her on. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know, they would have all kinds of wacky people. | ||
That's from the Stern model, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
The Wack Pack and all that stuff, you know. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Oh, yeah. | ||
He opened up the door for all that stuff. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, they always had these wacky radio characters and it kind of kept that ball rolling. | ||
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Yeah. | |
It's such a weird thing because they're like, you know, they're obviously there's a segment of the Audience is laughing at them, but they're so grateful to be part of the show. | ||
It gives their life a little bit of a meaning. | ||
The weird thing is, it's not that long ago, man. | ||
We're talking about 15 years ago, the world was a completely different place. | ||
I know. | ||
Completely. | ||
I know. | ||
There was nothing like podcasts. | ||
But what's amazing, we started the conversation talking about the public access stuff with Uncle Floyd. | ||
There's always been that thing for funny, odd people to try and get out there and do their thing. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's endless. | ||
It never stops. | ||
It's inspiring. | ||
There's this force to just be silly and go out there and try and communicate with other silly people. | ||
And all this media is changing, but that thing, everyone's still Uncle Floyd and Robin Byrd. | ||
I was having a conversation with my manager today and she was telling me there's now 900,000 podcasts. | ||
What? | ||
There are 900,000 ranked podcasts out there that are regular podcasts that are being done. | ||
There's only 300 million plus people in this country. | ||
Right? | ||
Right. | ||
Whatever it is, $320 million? | ||
Yeah. | ||
So there's almost like one in three people have a podcast. | ||
Oh my God. | ||
Almost. | ||
It's so crazy. | ||
January brings flurry of releases, pushing podcast tally past $900,000. | ||
How many of those am I responsible for inspiring? | ||
I need to know, because I tell everybody to do a podcast. | ||
I would claim 200,000. | ||
I think, no, it's probably like 100,000. | ||
But even that, it's nuts. | ||
That's amazing. | ||
It's a lot of fucking people out there making podcasts. | ||
It's the same as Twitter. | ||
Everybody has a voice. | ||
You can just have a voice. | ||
You can just get a mic and you have one. | ||
Yes. | ||
And here's the thing. | ||
If you're good, it'll grow. | ||
It's really that simple. | ||
If anybody wants advice on podcasts, the one thing I say is be consistent. | ||
Just grind. | ||
You have to grind. | ||
Grind, put them out all the time. | ||
That way people know they can count on them. | ||
As soon as you disappear for a while, you lose people. | ||
As soon as you take time off, you lose people. | ||
That happened on mine. | ||
My buddy was off for a couple weeks and you could feel it. | ||
Yeah, you lose your momentum. | ||
And then you lose the people that are addicted to it, and then they find something else. | ||
They go to this one or that one. | ||
You see the number, 900,000. | ||
God, that's amazing. | ||
So many people. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Crazy. | ||
That is crazy. | ||
Just out there talking about everything. | ||
Mm-hmm. | ||
It's a different world, and you can use that world in a beneficial way. | ||
People get things out of it. | ||
In this podcast, I've had so many interviews with inspirational people, people like David Goggins and Cam Haynes and all these folks that have really inspired people to change their life. | ||
Jordan Peterson. | ||
I mean, so many people that have inspired people to take chances and change their lives. | ||
Don't you feel like we're in this cultural moment where people are actively trying to go further? | ||
We're always doing that, right? | ||
We're always progressing as a species. | ||
We're always doing that. | ||
But it seems like there's a bump right now. | ||
There's an acceleration happening where people are really not only thirsty for it, but also participating in it. | ||
And you can only think it's going to leap us further a lot quicker. | ||
Well, it's definitely opening up conversations that people wouldn't have normally had. | ||
And one of the reasons why it's so valuable right now is because this is a weird time for humans communicating because so many people are communicating electronically. | ||
So many people are sending text messages and emails and not talking to each other for long periods of time face-to-face. | ||
Like, you and I have been friends for years, but our biggest conversations we have are on this podcast. | ||
For sure. | ||
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I mean, we have dinners together and stuff like that, but sitting in a podcast studio, you're locked in. | ||
It's just staring at each other across a desk. | ||
It's a very unusual way to talk. | ||
Yeah, and you're also freed up to ask each other things that you normally don't ask. | ||
And we have Jamie to make sure that we're not talking shit. | ||
That's a little weird. | ||
It's a little weird that he's leering over there. | ||
He's crucial. | ||
He's shopping for toasters right now. | ||
He's the world champion Googler. | ||
People from Google want him to come in and teach them how to Google. | ||
I believe it. | ||
I'm not joking, man. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
People have asked him to come in. | ||
Like, how are you? | ||
What are you doing? | ||
People watch the show. | ||
What the fuck is he doing? | ||
How's he doing it like that? | ||
Jamie's the goat. | ||
Yeah, getting it done. | ||
He's the greatest one-handed Googler in the history of the universe. | ||
Like, you probably are one of the best one-handed typers ever, because you always have to type with one hand. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You've probably developed a new skill. | ||
I'm in a mindset when I'm here. | ||
It's an energy. | ||
You can't recreate it in other places. | ||
Well, that's what's crazy. | ||
It's like, you anticipate what we're thinking, and then you pull up the thing before. | ||
I go, can you pull up a... | ||
Oh, there it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
It was weird. | ||
He had my ghost up there before I was done talking about it. | ||
When I type in Tom Pompa ghost, it comes right up. | ||
Here's the problem with ghosts. | ||
Those ghost shows. | ||
Well, yes. | ||
Those ghost shows are bullshit. | ||
100%. | ||
One of those guys got in trouble recently because he made a ghost book and he plagiarized a bunch of shit. | ||
Really? | ||
Like blatant copy and paste. | ||
Yeah, geez. | ||
Theater ghosts are some of my favorite. | ||
In theaters? | ||
When you go, right? | ||
When you go perform in these theaters, and you talk to the people, I always ask, do you have a ghost? | ||
Yeah. | ||
There was a little boy I was in, where was I? Oshkosh. | ||
Oshkosh. | ||
And there was an old theater, and the guy who runs the theater said, you know, we've had, there's legendary, they keep talking about, there's like three ghosts in the thing, and they were having a cocktail party upstairs in this like cocktail lounge off the balcony, and his son, this guy's son, ran into the balcony, and he's talking with people, and he goes, I gotta go get them. | ||
And he goes in there, and the kid's leaning over the balcony, talking to the stage, having a conversation with someone. | ||
He's like, Yeah. | ||
No. | ||
Oh, this is my dad. | ||
He wants us to go down there. | ||
Who wants us to go? | ||
That guy. | ||
He wants us to go down there. | ||
There's no one down there. | ||
The thought about that with little kids is that little kids have not dulled all of their senses with the pressures of the world and all the other information that we carry around in our heads and all of our ideas of what's real and what's not real, and that little kids are open more, and then they can see things. | ||
Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers was talking about that with his son, that his son is like... | ||
I think it was Flea. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But his son is like... | ||
Tuned in to spirits, in a way, that he was looking at and was like, maybe it's that these kids are not, like, maybe we all have that in us, but it's blunted by pressures and life and the lack of sleep and responsibilities and relationships and work and fear. | ||
Yeah, and everything. | ||
And also, like, we define how the world is, right? | ||
We get it in our head that these are the parameters for the world. | ||
This is how the world works, and that's it. | ||
Go to work and fucking button up your fucking sleeves. | ||
Right, this is my beliefs. | ||
My belief system is going to carry me through. | ||
Yeah, this is what it is. | ||
It's a fact. | ||
It is. | ||
That's why it's good to smoke it up once in a while. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Kick the doors open. | ||
That's one of my favorite things about pot. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It makes you aware of how weird things actually really truly are. | ||
Yeah. | ||
How weird things are. | ||
When you don't do it for a long time and then do it, which is like my schedule, it makes you look at everything, all your structure that you've formed over the last whatever amount of time, and you're like... | ||
You see it just from another perspective. | ||
It just makes you look at it and be like, oh, well, that's kind of unnecessary. | ||
That's kind of douchey. | ||
That's fun. | ||
That's on. | ||
Easily opens those doors, too. | ||
Just woof. | ||
Hey, when you're saying you're reading all those books about the Native Americans and stuff, did they talk about their spiritual stuff? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, certainly they had a lot of spiritual stuff, but there's a lot of peyote rituals. | ||
They're really into peyote, and they actually, particularly it was important at the end of the Native Americans' free range, when they all got conquered and moved into reservations, then the peyote rituals became increasingly important for them. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
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Why then? | ||
Because they were fucking filled with despair. | ||
Right. | ||
Dude, the stories of the reservations are one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever read anywhere about anything. | ||
Like, massive amounts of people dying from starvation and disease and, you know, it's horrible, man. | ||
People losing, like, most of their kids, most of their family members, and, you know, the amount of people that are left... | ||
You know, like Native American reservations, I don't know how many people live on them, but I don't think there's any growth or population boom. | ||
It's not like there's a bunch of, you know what I mean? | ||
Like the Native American cities are growing inside these reservations and they're becoming more and more affluent. | ||
It's not happening. | ||
They're destroyed. | ||
Oh, the fucking alcoholism, too. | ||
And it talked about that in Black Elk, Life of an American Visionary. | ||
It's the most recent one that I'm reading. | ||
They're talking about just the alcoholism and that they were converting all these Native Americans to Catholicism and how they just hated being Native American. | ||
They felt so terrible about it because their identity was just so disparaged by... | ||
Just being conquered and moved into reservations and extreme poverty. | ||
And they would see these other people. | ||
And they'd be like, these people look happy and healthy. | ||
And then they're forcing this religion on them. | ||
The most heartbreaking when you'd see those old photos where they were putting them in traditional dress. | ||
Like making them all of a sudden wear suits and ties and shoes and hats. | ||
It's so sad. | ||
It's fucked up, man. | ||
I always knew it was fucked up. | ||
But the genocide of the Native American people is one of the most overlooked parts of our history. | ||
We kind of brush it aside. | ||
We're aware of it, but we don't discuss it all the time. | ||
You know they killed like 90% of them with disease? | ||
Intentionally? | ||
No. | ||
No, just exposure to Europeans. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
Yeah, like some tribes, 90% of them were wiped out because of smallpox and all sorts of other diseases. | ||
Oh, jeez. | ||
They had no defense for it. | ||
Yeah, just these people show up covering stuff. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's awful. | ||
How do you... | ||
I have a daughter that's going to school. | ||
She's going to be going to college. | ||
And so she's learning all about the world. | ||
All the darkness of the world. | ||
All you have to do is read history. | ||
And not just our history... | ||
Globally, it's a nasty, nasty tale. | ||
And I feel, though, that I want to prep her before she goes even deeper when she goes away to the schools and starts learning about it even more intensely. | ||
You can tell, like, I don't want her to lose hope. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's a very, very dark, upsetting thing to learn about. | ||
But you have to kind of realize we're at least muddling through it. | ||
We are progressing. | ||
We are conscious of that history. | ||
So don't lose hope. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
I'm afraid to send her out there without that armor in a way. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Don't lose hope is huge, right? | ||
Huge! | ||
Find good people, they're out there. | ||
Find nice people, they're out there. | ||
Especially, you know, I think people are very scared today. | ||
And I think this is a pivotal time with human beings. | ||
There's so much change, right? | ||
So much change culturally, and there's so much change, you know, just in the world. | ||
Well, you're shifting, and it's also tearing down, like, all the institutions that carried us for a certain amount of time, right? | ||
Those things are no longer really important in the world. | ||
Like, churches have fallen off, and sense of community, just the town squares, you know, are isolated, and so it's all of this shift. | ||
And that's, whenever there's that shift and change in anything, even in your own life, when you have to move, all of a sudden your world is a little rocky and shaken. | ||
It's like, it feels like The planet is about to move. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's like we're all packing our boxes. | ||
It doesn't feel like there's any official structures anymore that are valid, like news. | ||
Where do you get your news? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Who's more full of shit, CNN or Fox? | ||
It's like, where's the news coming from? | ||
Right. | ||
There's no one place where you can say, like, these guys aren't biased. | ||
Yeah. | ||
This is not, you know. | ||
This is the one guy that is telling it straight. | ||
Yeah, there's no place like that, right? | ||
So how do you know what's really going on in the world? | ||
Yeah. | ||
And also, no one's watching. | ||
Those goddamn news shows are dropping off. | ||
Late night television, dropping off. | ||
Everything's dropping off. | ||
No one's watching. | ||
No one's paying attention to that shit anymore. | ||
So all these structures that used to be our primary places to go for entertainment and being informed. | ||
And one of the weirdest things is people rely on folks like me. | ||
Like, hey, don't do that. | ||
I'm not the place to go. | ||
You want to hear some people talking shit, you can come to me. | ||
But if you want to be informed, listen, I'll guide you in the right direction. | ||
I'll tell you where I go, or I'll tell you who to listen to, but don't listen to me. | ||
I have way too much on my plate, and I'm not really paying that much attention. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You had that light shone on you last week, right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Adorable. | ||
You know, it's not funny, but we always talk about, you know, at some point they're going to do it. | ||
At some point they're going to say evil stuff. | ||
Everyone gets their turn to try to be knocked down. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
Well, that's what cancel culture is all about, right? | ||
And it's this thing you're looking to just only look at the worst aspects if someone exaggerate those, magnify them, and ignore everything else. | ||
Right. | ||
The thing about it, though, is it's really difficult for people to swallow now, because they know what that is. | ||
You know, most people who listen to the show... | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, there's been 1,500-plus episodes. | ||
They know what the fuck it actually is. | ||
Well, that was what was cool about... | ||
All of the comments in defense of you in the show, it was like this person had never heard the show. | ||
You can't listen to this show without understanding the openness and the diverse... | ||
The acceptance of diverse points of view. | ||
Also comedy. | ||
You can't take comedy and take it out of context and put it in quotes, take a section of a bit and use it as evidence of homophobia or transphobia or anything else. | ||
You know, and it's disingenuous, and they don't realize that by doing that, they're just making people distrust them more. | ||
That's all they're doing. | ||
You're not going to convince someone that, hey, you know this show that you love, that you listen to this guy all the time? | ||
He's actually evil. | ||
He's actually plotting against gay people and trans people and Yeah, it's ridiculous. | ||
And everybody else that's protected and sacred in this world. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It is amazing, though, that comedy and comedians have kind of filled the void of a lack of grown-ups around. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
Like it used to be Walter Cronkite or that evening news, and that's where you got it, and then you saw Johnny Carson or whatever doing the funny stuff. | ||
Things need to be mocked. | ||
They do, including us. | ||
Everything needs to be mocked. | ||
It's one of the great things about comics is we mock each other. | ||
We're always busting balls. | ||
We're always talking shit to each other. | ||
It's hilarious. | ||
It's the best. | ||
It's fun. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
And we actually enjoy it. | ||
You know, I think it'll all turn around. | ||
It'll all come back around. | ||
I think what we're experiencing right now is just a shifting of our focus as a culture. | ||
And these things that used to be important, like sitting around the radio listening to the evening news, that shit is non-existent anymore. | ||
Nobody sits around the radio trying to find out what's happening in the world, like the whole family listening to the radio. | ||
Bet when they were doing that, they couldn't have imagined anything different. | ||
Yeah, but I do crave, and my wife craves, a connection. | ||
It's like, what are you listening to? | ||
What are you listening to when you're going out? | ||
Oh, I'm listening to This American Life. | ||
Well, I'm listening to Jordan Peterson. | ||
All right, so I guess we're not going to have something to talk about tonight. | ||
But we should both listen to this one so you can come back and talk about it. | ||
We're both thinking about the same things. | ||
It's kind of a cool sense of community. | ||
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Do you guys have a show that you both watch? | |
We've been watching Schitt's Creek lately. | ||
What's Schitt's Creek? | ||
Schitt's Creek is hilarious. | ||
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Really? | |
You don't know Schitt's Creek? | ||
No, I've never heard of it. | ||
It got picked up by Netflix. | ||
It's over. | ||
I think they've shot the last or they're shooting the last. | ||
But Eugene Levy, Levy, Levy, him and his son Dan created this show about a rich family who loses their fortune and ends up in this small town. | ||
Oh, I think I have heard of this. | ||
It's so funny. | ||
Have we ever talked about that? | ||
Catherine O'Hara is on it, and there's two other actresses that are just killer. | ||
They're just such defined characters. | ||
It's a very small show. | ||
It all takes place in this little shitty town, Schitt's Creek, and they're these affluent, arrogant kids and parents. | ||
It just hits. | ||
The jokes are just fantastic. | ||
Fast and cutting. | ||
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Nice. | |
It's such a good show. | ||
It really is good. | ||
All right. | ||
It's the first thing that we've watched in a long time. | ||
We haven't been watching anything for a long time. | ||
So it used to be on Pop TV and then Netflix bought it? | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
All right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Schitt's Creek. | ||
And that's father and son created it together, and they're just so damn funny. | ||
Wow. | ||
Look at those eyebrows. | ||
Look at the matching eyebrows. | ||
And Catherine O'Hara is just on point. | ||
She's so damn funny. | ||
Oh, all right, man. | ||
Good. | ||
I'm excited. | ||
And they're kind of short. | ||
They're easy to digest. | ||
I was into Mrs. Maisel, but the last season, it started off kind of clunky. | ||
I haven't gotten back to it. | ||
Yeah, I feel like I should watch that one. | ||
I watched the first two seasons. | ||
I really enjoyed it, but it's hard. | ||
It's one of those things where it's so close to home because it's stand-up. | ||
How's the Lenny Bruce? | ||
He's very good. | ||
He's good. | ||
Yeah, he's very good. | ||
He's very believable. | ||
I was just talking to Kevin Pollack. | ||
He's on that show. | ||
Yeah. | ||
No, he's the dad. | ||
He's great. | ||
He's really great. | ||
I listened to a Lenny Bruce thing recently. | ||
What's it called? | ||
It's on YouTube. | ||
It was an album that someone put out about Lenny Bruce, the killing of Lenny Bruce. | ||
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Oh. | |
And it talks all about some new stuff that I'd never heard, like his young daughter talking at the time and talking about the court case, similar to the Howard Stern thing, like the case just that devoured him, that and the heroin, which is also a suspect of were they trying to get rid of this guy kind of a thing. | ||
But it was a very interesting little documentary, audio documentary about... | ||
The fall of Lenny Bruce. | ||
And you talk about just... | ||
It's almost cliche how legendary that story is. | ||
But just to be reminded of how completely alone he was. | ||
Just having people show up in a comedy club. | ||
Not even a club. | ||
Just a nightclub. | ||
Because there were no comedy clubs. | ||
That he was that brave to keep going. | ||
To keep speaking. | ||
While the whole... | ||
Government was coming to squash him like a bug. | ||
They were arresting him. | ||
The bravery of that is astounding. | ||
Astounding. | ||
And like Howard Stern, he opened up the door to all of us. | ||
Completely. | ||
That guy opened up the door to all stand-up. | ||
He created the art form, essentially, because it wasn't the same when he left. | ||
It was different. | ||
It was different. | ||
Before him, it was jokes. | ||
Right. | ||
It was just jokes. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
And it became cultural commentary. | ||
Right. | ||
Talking about religion, talking about the government. | ||
Sex. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Love. | ||
All of it. | ||
Loss. | ||
Here is an interesting thing. | ||
I was like, so what happened when he died? | ||
So he dies in, I believe, 67 or 69. And I was like, so what was the next thing? | ||
They were really clamping down on him. | ||
It was only four years later that Carlin's case for The Seven Dirty Words came up. | ||
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Hmm. | |
It was that close. | ||
Wow. | ||
That in my head, I always thought that was a much different era. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That Carlin was much later than... | ||
But it was only four years later that they were still attacking. | ||
So he kind of picked up the fight in a way. | ||
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Hmm. | |
Is that remarkable? | ||
It is remarkable. | ||
Yeah, Carlin was arrested several times as well. | ||
Right, he was pulled off stage. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Just for speaking. | ||
And again, what is that, 40 years ago? | ||
Not that long ago. | ||
No. | ||
I know. | ||
Amazing. | ||
Like, if they could see what was going on any night, in any club, anywhere, they would be astounded. | ||
Oh my god. | ||
If you could bring Lenny Bruce to the comedy store on a Friday night, he'd be like, holy shit! | ||
What the hell? | ||
Yeah, he'd be like, I gotta up-up my game. | ||
I'm not offensive enough. | ||
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Yeah. | |
You can't get arrested at all anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I mean, watch Brian Holtzman. | ||
Yeah. | ||
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People are like, whoa. | |
You can say so much. | ||
Yeah, you can say anything. | ||
Where are the cops? | ||
Yeah. | ||
But it is pretty cool. | ||
You can get it on YouTube. | ||
Listen to The Killer. | ||
Oh, okay. | ||
Cool. | ||
Yeah, I've listened to a bunch of his old stuff. | ||
It's weird. | ||
It's weird how comedy is... | ||
It has a lifespan. | ||
It really does. | ||
It really doesn't work. | ||
It doesn't. | ||
Culturally, things are so different that the taboos have been broken to the point where what he's saying is it's normal. | ||
It's like a museum piece. | ||
You listen to that album, Carnegie Hall, Lenny Bruce Carnegie Hall? | ||
Yeah, I've heard that. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And it's cool to hear the way he talks and the stuff and his style and all that, but as comedy to make you laugh, it just... | ||
It doesn't work. | ||
It doesn't work. | ||
No. | ||
It's just a different... | ||
He had a couple of bits that are still valid. | ||
He had one bit that he did about gay people where he's like, it's illegal to be gay, right? | ||
So what do they do? | ||
They take you and they arrest you and they put you in jail with a bunch of men who want to have sex with you. | ||
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I mean, it's valid today. | |
I mean, obviously it's not illegal to be gay anymore, but how crazy is that? | ||
Gay sex was in many places not legal then. | ||
Right. | ||
Which is fucking insane. | ||
Mind-blowing. | ||
Mind-blowing. | ||
Insane. | ||
In our lifetime. | ||
In our lifetime. | ||
So weird. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So strange. | ||
So the guy who plays in Miss Maisel, he's good? | ||
Very good. | ||
Very believable. | ||
Dustin Hoffman's the best Lenny Bruce, though. | ||
Did you ever see Lenny? | ||
Yeah, of course. | ||
He's fucking amazing. | ||
And I think that's the best version of an actor portraying a stand-up comedian. | ||
Right. | ||
What about Tom Hanks in Punchline? | ||
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What about... | |
Sally Fields crushed him. | ||
I didn't buy it. | ||
I mean, I guess Tom could have seemed a little bit like a comic. | ||
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He did. | |
He seemed like an 80s comic. | ||
He pulled it off. | ||
Like a Wayne Potter type guy. | ||
Yeah, it wasn't him that was the problem with that movie. | ||
It was the stuff around it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
The locker room and all that kind of stuff. | ||
Yeah, the locker room was hilarious. | ||
They all met in the locker room. | ||
Yeah, go up and do their thing. | ||
Oh, the locker room. | ||
Imagine if you had to get changed to do comedy. | ||
Like, what? | ||
Why do we need a locker room? | ||
Imagine if a store just put in a locker room. | ||
Hey, guys, we have a locker room for you now. | ||
Like, what? | ||
That'd be so great. | ||
Why are we taking off our clothes? | ||
Putting on my show clothes. | ||
Do you guys have cameras here? | ||
What the fuck are you doing? | ||
Yeah. | ||
This is my outfit. | ||
Yeah, the scenes of the actual clubs themselves were interesting because I saw Punchline when I was an open-miker. | ||
I think Punchline came out in 89? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Is that correct? | ||
I bet it's earlier. | ||
88, 89. I think 88. 87. It had to be around 88. Is that it? | ||
87? | ||
October 88. October 88. Nice. | ||
Okay, so that was right when I started. | ||
Because I started August of 88. So it was right after I started. | ||
Right. | ||
And I remember thinking, wow, I was like... | ||
It was so romantic just to be involved in this thing. | ||
And I'd only been doing it for a couple months at that point in time, so just signing up on Sunday nights for open mic night and getting my feet wet. | ||
But I remember watching that movie. | ||
I loved everything about stand-up then. | ||
I was so excited about comedy. | ||
You know, there's a movie about comedy now. | ||
Ooh, so exciting. | ||
And were you disappointed or were you into it at the time? | ||
I didn't think it was very funny. | ||
Right. | ||
I didn't laugh. | ||
Right. | ||
There was no moments in that movie where I was like, ha ha ha. | ||
Yeah, but I always remembered the part that excited me was when they were in the diner in the middle of the day. | ||
Like, she comes to Tom to get jokes and stuff, and I was just like, how cool is that? | ||
They're not in an office. | ||
It's the middle of the day, and they're just at a diner. | ||
That seems so exciting to me. | ||
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Freedom! | |
Freedom! | ||
Just show up and go to the movies with your friends. | ||
I used to love that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I used to love families and responsibilities. | ||
I'd love to call one of my buddies up. | ||
Hey, what are you doing, man? | ||
Want to go to the movies? | ||
Fuck yeah, let's go to the movies. | ||
Yeah, whatever you want to do. | ||
Hanging out with your buddies at like 2 in the afternoon at the movie theater. | ||
Nobody else is in there. | ||
The best. | ||
Laughing. | ||
The very first day that I quit my day job, I was in New York, and I finally was a full-time comedian. | ||
And I walked up to Central Park with my buddy, and it was packed on a Tuesday, just packed with people. | ||
And I remember being so disappointed, like, this should only be comedians right now. | ||
How do all you people have off from work? | ||
I'm like, oh, other people can figure it out, too, to get a day off. | ||
Well, when you're in LA and it's like 2 in the afternoon and you're on the road and it's fucking jammed up with people, like, where are you people going? | ||
Yeah, why isn't everybody at work right now? | ||
You should all be in the office, you fucks. | ||
What's wrong with you? | ||
That is like one of the more attractive aspects of comedy to people is that freedom. | ||
But that's also, that freedom was one of the reasons why so many comics are so irresponsible and lazy. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's because they have that freedom. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That they don't actually sit down and work. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like how many of us have actually, like you've written a book, Norton's written a couple books, how many comics have actually written books? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Fucking, that is the real test of whether or not you have discipline, right? | ||
Right. | ||
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
Write a book. | ||
Yeah. | ||
No, to sit in there every day and do it, but... | ||
How long did your book take? | ||
This is my second book. | ||
That's right. | ||
And they take, they take about a, I don't know, I guess like all in probably two years. | ||
Do you enjoy the process? | ||
I love it. | ||
Or do you enjoy the completion of it? | ||
What do you enjoy more? | ||
The process of it. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah. | ||
I love... | ||
There's something about the routine. | ||
When I can get locked into the routine of this is how I... It's almost like it creates a... | ||
The routine creates a space for your creativity in a way. | ||
So if I get up at 7 and roll in there with my coffee and sit at the desk and open it up and go to work and know that this is happening now, good or bad, that routine, it's like going to church. | ||
It's like this is the time when this happens. | ||
This is the time when the writing is going to happen. | ||
It could be a week of horrible days, but then all of a sudden a couple great days happen. | ||
I just love that discipline of it, and then just going to work on it, and then playing with the words, and then revising it, revising it, revising it. | ||
I love it. | ||
That part of it really surprised me. | ||
That this is a very comfortable, cool place to be, and I could spend years here. | ||
That's great. | ||
That's a great thing to be really into doing, because it's so productive. | ||
Do you write stand-up like that as well? | ||
Do you sit down and write stand-up in front of your computer? | ||
Yeah, not from whole cloth, like not from out of the blue, if I can double up my cliches. | ||
But like mostly I'll rewrite. | ||
I will rewrite stuff. | ||
Like if I try something out on stage tonight and then have an idea, listen to it or just remember it, and then I'll kind of noodle around with it and see if I can go further with it actually writing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So where do you come up with your premises? | ||
Are they just random observations throughout the day, random thoughts while you're driving? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Something somebody says, some ridiculous thing that you saw somebody do. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's, you know, on your mind, stuff that's kind of on your mind. | ||
And then, like, if I'll get, like, we were talking about the tree, like, all of a sudden you're getting that joke that I was watching the other night. | ||
You start getting that thing down, and then your mind almost starts to think about it all... | ||
In its downtime. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
And then all of a sudden you start to pop it up. | ||
But I have lost so much thinking I was going to be able to remember it that I just started writing more. | ||
I just started putting it down. | ||
And it's been a real savior because... | ||
There'd be whole things like that were valuable that I just let go because I just didn't remember or got into the routine of performing it. | ||
But if I could have it down, I was able to keep track of it and go further with it. | ||
Yeah, I think that's gigantic. | ||
I use a couple different programs, but one of them is called Scrivener. | ||
Right. | ||
You told me about that. | ||
What I really like about that is I set up my premises on the left side, so all my premises, and then when I click on them, it shows me the whole bit. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I just started doing that over the last three. | ||
three four years yeah like really writing out all the bits and then having them categorized and yeah because apparently there's a way to set up microsoft word like scrivener which would be way easier because microsoft word is my preferred way to write because they're saved also on an app on my phone right so when i write bits on microsoft word write it and then i'll just go to my phone right and pull up my microsoft word so you're in the club just take the phone out you can see | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
That's huge. | ||
It's huge. | ||
It's huge. | ||
Pages does that too. | ||
Well, also on my iPhone, the notes application. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So I'll copy and paste shit into notes. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Now, I really feel like, and I think that's what writing the books did. | ||
Was it made me realize the real value in getting it down. | ||
It could always get better. | ||
I would get it really good to a point. | ||
But then realizing this stuff, even though it's killing, could even be better. | ||
Yeah, always. | ||
I could always, right? | ||
And the moves, the changes that happen at that stage are so small. | ||
That, to me, is like the writing. | ||
That's the smallness of it. | ||
Yeah, those little pauses, those little beats, those little extra, one extra word. | ||
Yeah, right. | ||
Boom. | ||
Just a change of a word. | ||
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It's a giant pop. | |
Yeah. | ||
Well, I have that feeling, too, when I watch someone, someone will say something, just one word, and I'm like, ah! | ||
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Right? | |
There's something about one thing that shifts it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Oh, man. | ||
You know who was really making me laugh yesterday in the car was Cat Williams. | ||
Oh, he's hilarious. | ||
God. | ||
So crazy. | ||
He doesn't get spoken of enough because he's so crazy, I think. | ||
I agree. | ||
People just hit you, right? | ||
And he was just going off about the election and Trump running and all of this kind of stuff. | ||
And I don't care what side you're on. | ||
This was – he would just destroy you. | ||
He was just – the way he talks and when you talk about the words, that's why it popped into my head. | ||
He pulls words out that I would never think of using and he just says them in his style. | ||
God, is he a naturally funny guy. | ||
I don't know if it's natural, but he's definitely funny. | ||
When he was more active, when he was really touring a lot, like during the Pimp Chronicle days, he was one of the best in the world. | ||
One of the best in the world. | ||
He was a monster. | ||
Go on stage to destroy. | ||
All that Michael Jackson stuff. | ||
Oh my god, that stuff was so good. | ||
It's so good. | ||
And dangerous at the time. | ||
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Because people hadn't come to grips with this idea that Michael Jackson was a pedophile. | ||
He did not care. | ||
Especially not in the black community, and he was out there just fucking swinging for the fences. | ||
It's so good. | ||
Oh my god. | ||
Oh, he really makes me laugh. | ||
He's a straight up killer, but I think... | ||
For most folks, the pressure of that high-level celebrity is overwhelming. | ||
It just fucks with you. | ||
It just fucks with you. | ||
It could wear you down and break you down like it did with Chris Tucker. | ||
It did with Martin Lawrence. | ||
It does a lot of these great comics. | ||
Yeah. | ||
A lot of guys. | ||
It's a weird thing. | ||
It's fucking very weird. | ||
The pressure of that many people coming to see you, that many people relying on you, that many people waiting for you to fail, that many people hating on you. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And then he, clearly there was some substances involved with him. | ||
Sure. | ||
He had some shows where he would just go on stage and start yelling at someone in the front row and then leave. | ||
Yeah, right, exactly. | ||
He did that, I think it was in Oakland. | ||
He just went on stage and someone heckled him. | ||
He's like, fuck! | ||
Fuck you, bitch! | ||
And it's like going crazy, this one guy. | ||
I'm not doing this tonight. | ||
And then got off stage, and there's fucking, you know, there's 5,000 people there to see him. | ||
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I was like, what? | |
You can't just leave? | ||
Do you feel that pressure, the bigger this gets? | ||
Yeah, I do, but I also feel extra love. | ||
Like, it's happy. | ||
Yeah, it's nice, man. | ||
That's good. | ||
But I'm also aware that other people have fallen into these holes, you know? | ||
And I've benefited from the fact that these people have kind of carved this path and showed me where the holes are, you know? | ||
And also, I'm definitely crazy, right? | ||
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Sure. | |
I definitely have some... | ||
Mental health issues. | ||
But I'm also very thoughtful in meaning that I think a lot about things. | ||
And I spend a lot of time alone just trying to look at things like an outside observer. | ||
Right. | ||
Trying to look at things like, how would I, if I was me but not me, look at me and what would I say to me? | ||
Right. | ||
How would I tell myself to gain the proper perspective? | ||
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That's interesting. | |
How would I evaluate my situation correctly? | ||
Right. | ||
How would I proceed? | ||
What would I say? | ||
Man, I wish I had done this. | ||
Why don't I do that now? | ||
You know, that kind of shit. | ||
That's good. | ||
So much of figuring stuff out is being conscious of it, right? | ||
Being aware that I've got a problem going on or I have to, right? | ||
That means you're thinking about it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
The thoughtfulness with everything, with your diet, with your family. | ||
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Yeah. | |
As long as you're constantly thinking about it, you're giving yourself a chance to take the right... | ||
Yeah, you can correct your path. | ||
Yeah, right, right. | ||
You can correct your mistakes and correct your path. | ||
And there's no way you're not going to make mistakes, especially if you're putting out as much content as I do. | ||
Yeah. | ||
There's no way. | ||
And doing as many shows as I do, it's... | ||
So I've accepted that. | ||
And I've also accepted that these moments of adversity, I always come out on the other end a better person, a better comic, a better everything, a better human. | ||
And the cool thing is, too, that you'd have to change exactly who you are for it all to turn. | ||
Because it's not that a network is going to tell you that you did something wrong and take the wrong stance or misinterpret you. | ||
It's really your audience. | ||
It's that relationship with them, and they know what you're about. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
That's the beautiful thing about not having a job job. | ||
Right. | ||
You could say something that you even didn't mean, and as long as your fans who know and love you give you a pass, then it's going to be okay. | ||
And I've definitely done that. | ||
I've definitely said some shit I shouldn't have said. | ||
Yeah. | ||
When you said that you wouldn't eat my bread, that was really weird. | ||
I'll eat it right now. | ||
You brought a knife. | ||
You set it up. | ||
That was Jamie's doing. | ||
This is one of our sponsors. | ||
This is a Kamikoto knife. | ||
This is a beautiful Japanese knife. | ||
Look at that bitch. | ||
Oh my god. | ||
Basically a sword. | ||
Is it heavy? | ||
No. | ||
I mean, it's really well made. | ||
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These are dope kitchen knives. | |
It's not serrated, though. | ||
Do you have good kitchen knives? | ||
I figured I could cut bread, though. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Cut the shit out of some bread. | ||
Do you have a good knife set at home? | ||
I've got good random knives. | ||
Oh, well, I'm going to hook you up. | ||
Yeah? | ||
Because, yeah, they sent me a couple of these. | ||
Ooh, look at that. | ||
That is a good knife. | ||
Oh, fuck yeah, baby. | ||
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Look at that. | |
Right through. | ||
Nice. | ||
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Nice. | |
Look at that bread. | ||
Look at that glorious bread. | ||
Come on! | ||
Fuck this carnivore diet. | ||
Let's get in there, baby. | ||
This is Tom Papa bread. | ||
Come on, son. | ||
I want to start... | ||
I want to try eating meat for... | ||
Jamie and I were talking before this thing. | ||
We're like, yeah. | ||
Could you do it? | ||
I don't... | ||
Yeah, I think I could. | ||
Is it hard to do? | ||
Oh, thank you. | ||
It's not hard. | ||
Pardon our chewing lady. | ||
Do you get bored? | ||
Mm-mm. | ||
You're okay with it? | ||
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Mm. | |
Mm-mm-mm-mm. | ||
Come on. | ||
When did this come out of the oven? | ||
Um, four hours ago. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
That was so damn delicious. | ||
Let me get a piece of that peel. | ||
How big do you want? | ||
Just like half of that. | ||
That is good stuff. | ||
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Jamie's drooling over here. | |
Drooling over here looking at this. | ||
I always forget to bring butter. | ||
He did one time, but... | ||
This is fucking fantastic without butter. | ||
Come on. | ||
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Mmm. | |
There's something to be said for pleasure, right? | ||
Yeah, a lot. | ||
Just like a balance between having too much indulgence and pleasure and no discipline and having too much discipline and no pleasure. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
But like you said, you felt so sick after going to Disney. | ||
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Yeah, but I ate ice cream. | |
I ate... | ||
What else did I eat? | ||
I bet your kids are happy when you go off the leash. | ||
Oh yeah, they love it. | ||
Right? | ||
Well, they just love Disney. | ||
Yeah. | ||
The new Star Wars ride is off the charts. | ||
Is it? | ||
It's so crazy. | ||
What's it like? | ||
Well, it's 20 minutes long. | ||
What? | ||
Mm-hmm. | ||
That's awesome. | ||
Dude. | ||
That's amazing. | ||
Because most of the time, they rip you off with a three-minute ride. | ||
Dude, this is 20 minutes long. | ||
From the moment you get there, and the scale of it is insane. | ||
There's one time where you get off of this thing... | ||
And you get transported into this area where all these stormtroopers are. | ||
And it's a hall. | ||
It's enormous. | ||
And there's like a hundred stormtroopers standing there. | ||
And behind them is space. | ||
There's these huge 4K screens that show space. | ||
And you really feel like you are on a starship in space that's filled with stormtroopers. | ||
It's fucking bananas, man. | ||
Wow, that's amazing. | ||
The ride is crazy. | ||
So you're flying on a... | ||
Well, you get in, you move in, you go for a flight. | ||
See all those wheel marks on the ground? | ||
Yeah. | ||
There's no tracks. | ||
Everything is run by computers. | ||
The whole thing is run by computers. | ||
Right. | ||
Bro, it's amazing. | ||
I mean, it's just the most intricate and advanced ride Disneyland has ever done by far. | ||
Wow, 20 minutes. | ||
Every step of the way, you're like, I can't even believe that they did this. | ||
I mean, it's 100% next level. | ||
Wow. | ||
Look at the fucking detail of this place. | ||
You go into this and it seems like you are in a real spaceship. | ||
This probably doesn't even do it justice. | ||
Oh no, it doesn't. | ||
My jaw was dropped the entire time. | ||
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I was like, wow! | |
Wow! | ||
And is it more than just the ride? | ||
Is it like a whole section? | ||
Well, it's a bunch of different interactive experiences. | ||
There's people, there's actors. | ||
Right. | ||
They're, you know, like, they're stormtrooper folks and rebellion, whatever, the bad people. | ||
Yeah, they talk to all the people while they're walking around and they ask you, like, are you here to fuck, are you a rebel? | ||
They mess with little kids and they just keep it going the whole time. | ||
That's awesome. | ||
Yeah, you're a member of the Resistance. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
I haven't seen the new movie. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Not so good? | ||
The movies have become Disney-fied. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I don't say that in a good way, because Disney makes some awesome shit, but it's just... | ||
Commercial-like feeling? | ||
It's just fake. | ||
Right. | ||
No heart, no soul again. | ||
It seems like it's gone through a corporate diversity filter, where they're making sure that let's have women run this, and women generals, and this and that. | ||
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Right. | |
Yeah, they're hitting all the... | ||
Right, right. | ||
It's by formula. | ||
But the movie feels like it's formulaic, too. | ||
I haven't seen the very latest one, but the ones before that. | ||
It's like, they don't feel... | ||
They don't feel special. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, I know this is not the best example, but Tarantino movies still feel like Tarantino movies. | ||
That motherfucker still knows how to make a real movie. | ||
Like, you get out of his movie and you're like, whoa. | ||
Well, it feels like it's made by him, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
It doesn't feel like it's made by a company. | ||
It would be impossible to make Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with a corporate structure. | ||
Right. | ||
Or without him. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It would be impossible. | ||
Did you hear his acceptance speech for the best screenplay? | ||
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No. | |
He's like, usually you'd thank other people at this point, but I wrote this by myself, so... | ||
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Well, that's why it's so good. | |
Oh, I've got a good movie for you. | ||
Yeah? | ||
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Yeah. | |
This was, I was talking with my buddy Steven Soderbergh, who Digest not only is a great director. | ||
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Name dropped. | |
Did you just drop a name? | ||
I did. | ||
But to give credibility to this selection. | ||
His movie of the year was Give Me Liberty. | ||
It's a small independent film, made in Milwaukee with a lot of regular people. | ||
It follows this one guy, young guy, whose job it is to drive people with disabilities around in a van through Milwaukee, through a public service. | ||
And it follows him through one whole day. | ||
It's so good. | ||
It's such a good film. | ||
You really gotta see it. | ||
The performances are crazy good. | ||
You don't know who's an actor and who's not. | ||
It's just so well done. | ||
It really makes you feel like it's the total opposite of what you're talking about, like that big committee kind of a corporate thing. | ||
To see something like this, like you could just feel the filmmakers' hearts and souls pouring into the movie. | ||
Those movies that are really big, you also have to think of how much money is invested in them, right? | ||
Oh, huge. | ||
And if they go bad... | ||
It's a giant financial... | ||
And go bad means, like, not make a billion dollars. | ||
Yeah, well, or lose money, like Dr. Doolittle. | ||
Right. | ||
Right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think that movie's probably going to lose money. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
Which is real dangerous, coming from a guy like Robert Downey Jr., who's amazing, who's so incredible in The Avengers, and that movie made fucking kajillions of dollars. | ||
Yeah. | ||
All those movies are amazing. | ||
And then he goes and does this kid's movie, and it really doesn't do well. | ||
Those are dangerous. | ||
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Right. | |
Those movies are like, oh, Jesus, we're on thin ice. | ||
Get back to the shore! | ||
Right. | ||
Dangerous for who? | ||
For the actor? | ||
For the actor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
For the production company. | ||
For everybody. | ||
What if they come to the production company a year later and say, hey, we have a new idea for a movie in the theater or the studio. | ||
And the studio's like, hey, fuck you. | ||
We lost a hundred million dollars on you, you fuck. | ||
Right. | ||
See all the issues with cats? | ||
That was probably the biggest financial disaster of the year, right? | ||
They pulled it back to redo it, and they're going to re-release it. | ||
So many people are making fun of it. | ||
Are they going to do it again? | ||
Yeah, they left. | ||
The visual effects team only apparently had like nine months, and they left watches on people that didn't cover their hands up. | ||
All sorts of bad stuff. | ||
I saw it with my kids. | ||
My daughter's like, we have to see... | ||
Was it good though? | ||
Like fun to watch as a disaster? | ||
No! | ||
Because in the beginning, like we thought... | ||
My daughter's like, we have to see the worst movie of the decade. | ||
How do we not go see that? | ||
And we were the only ones in the theater. | ||
It was really brutal. | ||
And at first... | ||
How bad is it? | ||
It's bad. | ||
But it's so bad... | ||
Is it good? | ||
No, it's so bad it's not good bad. | ||
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Wow. | |
Yeah, it's just bad. | ||
It's so bad it's not good bad. | ||
No, like in the beginning you have a laugh and it's like, alright, I can see why this is gonna suck. | ||
And then by the end of two hours you're like, no, I've just been hit in the head with a shovel. | ||
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It's not bad. | |
Yeah, it's really bad. | ||
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Wow. | |
And you're seeing all these people that have been in other things who are just not talking about it, you know, like Judy Dench and it's bad. | ||
There's some other movie that came out recently that someone was saying was as bad as The Room. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
See if you can find that. | ||
That was released? | ||
Yeah, there was a whole article about it saying that this movie is so bad that it's good. | ||
I didn't even finish typing it and it auto-completed. | ||
What is it? | ||
Now he's showing off his skills. | ||
No, it finished up and says The Room is the worst movie ever made in Hollywood or something. | ||
Yeah. | ||
A movie as bad as The Room. | ||
The one that shocked me that everyone said was so bad was Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly in that new one, right? | ||
Was it true? | ||
It was a Canadian movie so bad it rivals The Room. | ||
Yeah, what is that? | ||
It's called Ryan's Babe. | ||
I don't know. | ||
Never heard of it. | ||
Is that a recent article? | ||
Yeah, it's from four days ago. | ||
Yeah, that's it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
People are telling me, you have to see this. | ||
That's from 2000, that was that movie. | ||
So it's not a new movie, but someone just discovered the trailer online. | ||
But I figure you put Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly doing anything, and I'm in. | ||
Right, should be. | ||
And people really rebelled against it. | ||
That girl's hot, though. | ||
This looks pretty good. | ||
She's in her underwear running around for some reason. | ||
Perfect. | ||
Oh, this is terrible. | ||
Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
This looks really bad. | ||
There's some rough edits in there. | ||
So how are they going to redo Cats? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Are they going to re-edit? | ||
I think they already did. | ||
I think they re-edited it and then... | ||
But if they re-edit it, everyone's going to know that it sucked so bad they had to re-edit it. | ||
I've never heard of that. | ||
Ever. | ||
Never. | ||
A movie gets released and they're like, you fucks! | ||
They're like, okay, we'll fix it. | ||
We'll be back in a week. | ||
How much money has Cats lost? | ||
What? | ||
It almost happened with that Sonic movie. | ||
They just didn't put it out. | ||
They put out a trailer and the internet freaked out. | ||
And they're like, oh, okay. | ||
We'll redo it. | ||
And they spent a bunch of money redoing it. | ||
Sonic the Hedgehog? | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's coming out now. | ||
It actually looks a little bit better. | ||
They gave him better teeth or something. | ||
Dude, it's hard, man. | ||
Making a movie has got to be the most brutal thing ever. | ||
So hard. | ||
I've had guys in here that have poured their heart and soul into a movie for years. | ||
Like Motherless Brooklyn. | ||
I know. | ||
I know. | ||
Was it good? | ||
I don't know, and I love him, and I love the subject matter. | ||
God, he loved that movie, man. | ||
He really did, and he put such heart and soul into the soundtrack, and I haven't seen it. | ||
Yeah, I've seen it. | ||
You know, sometimes... | ||
Jesus Christ, Kat's headed for a $100 million box office loss. | ||
What the fucking shit? | ||
Oh my God. | ||
Oh my God. | ||
I just keep thinking about them all being at craft services and backstage. | ||
This is pretty great, huh? | ||
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Have you seen that girl? | |
Eating some celery sticks just as a cat. | ||
Rebel Wilson is committed to losing weight. | ||
She's lost a ton of weight and people are mad at her. | ||
Are they really? | ||
Yeah, they're mad at her. | ||
They like her being big. | ||
They like her being big because she's big and I'm big and everyone's big and it's okay to be big. | ||
And I heard it's healthy to be big. | ||
And so people are criticizing her for losing weight. | ||
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Oh, come on. | |
They're criticizing Adele as well. | ||
Oh, really? | ||
Yeah, they said Adele, they're angry that Adele lost weight because they love the fact that she was this huge musical superstar and she was obese. | ||
So she wanted to take care of her health. | ||
She's trying to be healthy. | ||
Live a little longer and then... | ||
You're turning on us. | ||
Well, she became a role model for certain people, I guess. | ||
Be a role model for you to get healthy. | ||
We can all get healthy. | ||
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Yeah, come on. | |
Stay away from Tom's bread. | ||
Eat only meat. | ||
Just don't eat it all the time. | ||
You just don't eat this all the time. | ||
Well, I didn't gain any weight this weekend. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I didn't gain any weight. | ||
I ate all that shit. | ||
And then I fasted Sunday night until Monday. | ||
I went to yoga Monday morning. | ||
Didn't eat until right before my first podcast. | ||
And I didn't gain any weight at all. | ||
It's great. | ||
Yeah, but it's accumulative. | ||
Moderation, moderation. | ||
It's eating like shit. | ||
But what was interesting was the pains. | ||
Back pain, knee pain. | ||
What is that? | ||
It's inflammation. | ||
It's inflammation. | ||
Your body does not want to have to process all that stuff. | ||
And they think that may be the root for many people of a lot of causes of pain and discomfort is just inflammation-heavy diet. | ||
Right. | ||
Sugar. | ||
Right. | ||
Sugar is the big one. | ||
So if you get all of that out of your system, your body can, what, go to work on the stuff it has to go to work on? | ||
Yeah, you get all that shit out of your system and your body doesn't experience inflammation from your food. | ||
Right. | ||
And if you're eating food that, like, you know, grass-fed beef, you know, or in my case, elk, you know, or yeah, I mean, I'm sure vegetables are not bad for you. | ||
I just did it to try to find what, so I just did it to try to find out what it's like to only eat meat. | ||
Right. | ||
When you have no carbohydrates, one of the things that's most amazing is that there's no crashing. | ||
You would eat and you don't feel any different after you ate other than the fact that you don't feel hungry. | ||
Right. | ||
Like, you don't crash. | ||
Right. | ||
There's no ups and downs and peaks and valleys. | ||
My energy levels were amazing. | ||
Really? | ||
How quickly? | ||
Extra energy. | ||
How quickly? | ||
Two weeks in. | ||
Two weeks in. | ||
Two weeks in, I noticed I felt amazing. | ||
Really? | ||
And I was shedding weight. | ||
I was shedding a lot of weight. | ||
I think I was like seven pounds down two weeks in. | ||
Jeez. | ||
Now I'm... | ||
12 pounds down, 12-ish, something like that. | ||
I was 193 this morning. | ||
I was weighing about 205 before I started this diet. | ||
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Really? | |
Yeah. | ||
Man, oh man. | ||
I feel a lot better. | ||
Like a lot better. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
So what would you recommend? | ||
Would you recommend people just do that? | ||
Or do you think you moderate that? | ||
I think for people who have an autoimmune disorder, I do believe there are certain people that have an adverse reaction to some plants, some foods. | ||
That's what an elimination diet is all about. | ||
It's like trying to find out what are the things that bother you. | ||
But for me, what I did is I just took a lot of multivitamins. | ||
I took a bunch of different vitamins and nutrients and supplements on top of this carnivore diet. | ||
So I'm only eating meat, but then I'm taking all the essential vitamins and amino acids, and I'm also taking fish oil. | ||
So I'm covering all my nutritional bases. | ||
But I'm not doing it with food. | ||
I'm not doing it with plants. | ||
I'm only eating grass-fed meat or elk. | ||
And then on top of that, I'm taking in fat from bacon. | ||
I needed fat because elk in particular is very lean. | ||
If I'm only eating elk. | ||
If I eat grass-fed beef, I'm fine. | ||
But with things like elk, you really do need some extra sources of fat. | ||
If you don't have fat, would you start to feel bad? | ||
Yeah, your body doesn't like it. | ||
No. | ||
Your body does not want a low-fat diet with low carbohydrates. | ||
There's a thing called rabbit starvation. | ||
Have you ever heard of that? | ||
No. | ||
People got that in Antarctica. | ||
I think it was Antarctica. | ||
In the cold climates where they were shooting rabbits and eating rabbits and they were literally starving to death even though they were eating all these rabbits because rabbits have no fat on them. | ||
So they're only eating this lean protein. | ||
Right. | ||
But with no fat at all and you start feeling like shit. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Different explorers have found that too. | ||
When they were living in places and trying to eat only the foods that they could harvest off the land, they were eating animals. | ||
They had to take in fat. | ||
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If you don't take in fat, you feel really bad. | |
So you could balance it. | ||
Would you say maybe 80%? | ||
This is what I would say. | ||
Try it. | ||
Just try a carnivore diet. | ||
Try it straight out. | ||
Right. | ||
And I think you'll be amazed at how good you feel. | ||
Now, here's the thing. | ||
Is that a honeymoon thing? | ||
What is it like if you extend that to 90 days or 365 days? | ||
Yeah. | ||
You're going to feel like shit eventually? | ||
Is it going to start breaking your body down? | ||
I don't know. | ||
I only have experience in 30 days. | ||
But in my experience in 30 days, it was enormously beneficial. | ||
You did say something in your post about a explosive diarrhea. | ||
It needs to have a new name. | ||
Diarrhea is not strong enough for what I was experiencing. | ||
For real? | ||
Yeah, it was like someone was tapping into an oil well. | ||
I have pictures. | ||
So why was that happening? | ||
Well, I talked to Dr. Sean Baker. | ||
He wrote a book on the carnivore diet. | ||
He's a physician that's a carnivore diet advocate. | ||
He's been eating this way for two years. | ||
Two years? | ||
Yep. | ||
And he seems to think that it has to do with the colon adjusting to the fact your body doesn't have any dietary fiber. | ||
So you're not taking in any rice or bread or anything that's going to absorb the water. | ||
So your body's like, what do I do with all this liquid? | ||
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It's going out the asshole! | |
How long did that last? | ||
Around two weeks. | ||
Two weeks? | ||
Two weeks of rocket fuel coming out of your booty hole. | ||
Ah, jeez. | ||
But if you get through it, you get through it. | ||
And Tom Segur is going through it right now. | ||
He is? | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
He sent me a text the other day saying, this diarrhea is astounding. | ||
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Ha! | |
Oh, no! | ||
Oh, astonishing. | ||
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That's what he said. | |
Astonishing. | ||
Oh, no. | ||
It's not coffee, is it? | ||
Because you guys both drink coffee. | ||
I'm just asking just a general question. | ||
I mean, some of you guys both intake a lot. | ||
Bro, it could be all kinds of liquids. | ||
Whatever kinds of liquids are coming out of your butt, it's not normal. | ||
I was really getting excited about trying this. | ||
But here's the thing. | ||
At the end of that, it all goes away. | ||
Right. | ||
I mean, at the end of two weeks, my body adjusted, and now it's not a problem at all. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, not a problem at all. | ||
Now... | ||
So what's breakfast? | ||
Steak. | ||
Or eggs. | ||
Sometimes like this morning it was steak. | ||
Yesterday morning I ate six eggs. | ||
Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Just woof those down. | ||
Lunch? | ||
I don't eat lunch. | ||
Don't eat lunch. | ||
Just usually two meals a day. | ||
Right. | ||
And then the second meal is usually steak. | ||
No, the steak. | ||
Either elk or a beef steak. | ||
I think I've asked you this before, but whenever I think about these diet things, I always picture my family looking at me while they're eating pasta or eating... | ||
Do you feel like an outlier at dinner with your family? | ||
No, they knew what I was doing. | ||
They made fun of me and shit. | ||
Right. | ||
It's no big deal. | ||
Oh, what are you eating? | ||
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Steak? | |
Eat steak again? | ||
Right. | ||
My kids are hilarious. | ||
Yeah, that's what I always... | ||
My kids mock me too. | ||
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That's good. | |
That's healthy. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know, they didn't mind. | ||
Yeah? | ||
Nobody bothered. | ||
My wife didn't care. | ||
Everyone knew I was doing it, so it was okay. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Your wife's not like, come on, have ice cream with us. | ||
No. | ||
No, boy, that'd be a problem if she was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
You know? | ||
If it looks so good, like, damn, ice cream looks good. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
No. | ||
It was an eye-opener. | ||
But here's the thing about that kind of stuff. | ||
You kind of have to commit. | ||
Like if you just say, I'm going to try to eat healthier. | ||
It's too loosely defined. | ||
I know. | ||
I know. | ||
I was doing the intermittent fasting and lost a good amount of weight. | ||
And then it just kind of like plateaued. | ||
And I feel like... | ||
I'd like to be, you know, like 10 pounds lighter. | ||
And it's... | ||
I'm working out. | ||
I'm doing all that stuff. | ||
But I feel like it needs something to shock my system to go to a... | ||
Nothing will shock your system like this carnivore diet. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Including your butthole. | ||
But you will lose a lot of weight. | ||
I lost... | ||
I mean, I lost a legitimate 12 pounds of fat. | ||
Wow. | ||
Just fat. | ||
My face got thinner. | ||
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Yeah. | |
You look thinner. | ||
Like when I was washing my face, I would feel... | ||
Actually, it feels a little fatter now because I went through Disneyland. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Some Disney chunks. | ||
Disney. | ||
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I hate ice cream. | |
I hate a lot of dessert. | ||
And you just had bread. | ||
Actually, not really any fatter, but joking around. | ||
Maybe I'm a little swollen. | ||
No, you look leaner. | ||
For real. | ||
I was getting fat. | ||
I was developing a gut. | ||
We did this weigh-in thing, and so many people mocked me. | ||
I was getting a gut though. | ||
My stomach was like hanging out. | ||
And also when we came in here to do that, it was December 23rd and my family was in town and we had eaten like pigs that day. | ||
Right. | ||
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I was considerably bloated with food as well. | |
Because it was nighttime. | ||
We had a nighttime podcast. | ||
It was like 10 o'clock or something like that. | ||
Right. | ||
Pretty late podcast. | ||
Yeah. | ||
When we all took our clothes off and got on the scale. | ||
So I knew I was probably going to do the carnivore diet anywhere, but that was like, yeah, let's just do it. | ||
Let's just do it. | ||
Let's go. | ||
Set it in my head. | ||
Right. | ||
Let's just do it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So knowing that for the month of January, that was all that I was going to eat, that really helps if you're going to try to stick to something. | ||
To have like a real solid schedule. | ||
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Right. | |
Like sober October is another perfect example for me. | ||
Lent. | ||
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Lent. | |
Yeah, when we do Sober October, we have one month, no booze, no pot, no nothing. | ||
There's something good about that, where you have that month. | ||
Because it takes it out all that kind of mushy brain stuff of, oh, but maybe I'll just now, or we're celebrating. | ||
Yeah, we need a certain amount of rigidity occasionally. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's how you get shit done. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And, I mean, even if you are, like, writing, if you said, I am going to write every day for the month of February. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Every day. | ||
There's something to that. | ||
It's the routine. | ||
Yeah, so something really beneficial. | ||
I'm going to write for one half an hour every day. | ||
If you do that, you get things done. | ||
It's really true. | ||
If you just decide, I'm going to go on a carnivore diet for the next 30 days starting right now, and just count down on your calendar 30 days from now, you'll fucking lose weight and you'll feel amazing. | ||
Yeah, I'm going to do it. | ||
I just don't know if it's a way to eat all the time. | ||
No, that's the thing. | ||
It seems like an extreme thing that I would not be willing to maintain. | ||
Well, you're the breadmaster. | ||
Well, that's the thing. | ||
You're the sultan of sourdough. | ||
That's why I want balance. | ||
I'm always searching for the right balance. | ||
I think a great move is six days on, one day off. | ||
That's what I think. | ||
Six days on a rigid diet, one day where you look forward to eating bread and pasta and drinking whatever you want and having ice cream. | ||
One day. | ||
That was the question. | ||
You just reminded me of the question. | ||
No booze during that month? | ||
I drank booze. | ||
You did? | ||
Yes. | ||
Still lost all that weight. | ||
But I don't drink a lot. | ||
I drink like a glass of wine with dinner, maybe two glasses. | ||
Yeah, that's all I was thinking about. | ||
Sometimes before I go on stage, I have a shot of whiskey. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So it's not a lot. | ||
Right. | ||
You know, if it's more than two drinks a night, it's unusual. | ||
You're cool with whiskey and then going on stage? | ||
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Woo! | |
I like it. | ||
You do? | ||
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I like it. | |
You don't feel like you're used to it. | ||
I would feel, whenever I drink before I go on stage, I just feel like a little off. | ||
I feel on. | ||
You do? | ||
Yeah, I like it. | ||
Even when I film, I do a shot right before I film. | ||
Oh, yeah? | ||
Really? | ||
One shot. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Really? | ||
That's interesting. | ||
Good shot of Buffalo Trace whiskey down the old pipe. | ||
And you're good to go. | ||
Come on. | ||
That's wild liquid. | ||
Whiskey's wild liquid. | ||
It is wild. | ||
It's wild liquid. | ||
Right. | ||
You wanna get wild? | ||
That's wild liquid. | ||
It's wild fuel. | ||
I don't know if I wanna be wild. | ||
We have different styles, too, you know? | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
It also helps me deviate when I'm writing on stage. | ||
If I'm fucking around on stage, it helps me deviate. | ||
I go off on a tangent. | ||
A little more courageous? | ||
Yeah, maybe. | ||
Or a little more reckless, maybe is a better word. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
And what about weed, though, in that same situation? | ||
Yeah, that same thing. | ||
I like weed for that, too. | ||
That doesn't make you more timid on stage? | ||
No. | ||
No? | ||
It makes me nicer. | ||
Right. | ||
But I don't think it makes me more timid. | ||
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Right. | |
Weed makes me nicer. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's one of the things I like about weed. | ||
Like, I need more things that make me nicer. | ||
To make you nicer? | ||
Yeah, it helps me. | ||
When you look at yourself, you think that you could be mean sometimes? | ||
Not necessarily mean, but I am naturally aggressive. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And that makes you a little bit more... | ||
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Let's calm this fucking ride down. | |
Right. | ||
Let's realize, like, we only have a certain amount of time left. | ||
Yeah. | ||
When I get high, I want to call my friends and tell them I love them. | ||
Right. | ||
That's what I want to do. | ||
I know. | ||
You know? | ||
I want to hug people. | ||
Just want to be around them. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I want to be nicer. | ||
I know, it is good, but I don't know. | ||
How do you feel? | ||
I haven't performed high in a long time. | ||
How about tonight? | ||
When are you up? | ||
I'm not up tonight. | ||
You're not up? | ||
I'll be up on Thursday. | ||
Thursday? | ||
What are you doing tonight? | ||
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Chillaxing? | |
Yeah, chillaxing. | ||
It's kind of uncomfortable because my wife has people over because my special airs tonight. | ||
Oh, to watch your special? | ||
You have to sit with them? | ||
No, they're going to do it, and I'm going to, I don't know, sit in the yard with a cigar. | ||
I don't know what I'm going to do. | ||
Don't be there for that. | ||
I can't. | ||
Ew. | ||
I can't. | ||
Why is she doing that in your house? | ||
She's so excited. | ||
Oh, that's nice. | ||
It is. | ||
It's nice. | ||
They're all excited. | ||
They all want to do it, but I can't watch it. | ||
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Of course you can't watch it. | |
You know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
I'll be in the other room listening if they're really laughing or not, judging their laughs. | ||
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That's terrible. | |
Isn't that hard? | ||
That's a bad feeling, man. | ||
You don't want that in your life. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But I do feel, especially now, that that's all done and I'm moving into new territory, that the weed kind of can play a good role. | ||
Yes, for sure. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
How much material do you have set aside for your new stand-up? | ||
I've only got about 20. That's good, though. | ||
When did you film? | ||
October. | ||
Oh, so you gave yourself some time. | ||
That's nice. | ||
Yeah. | ||
November, December, January, four solid months. | ||
That's good. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So I've got this new direction, a new area of stuff, but it shrinks the more you do it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And this special was going to come out a little later, so I thought I had more time, but then they moved it up. | ||
Isn't that exciting, though, when you're scared? | ||
Yo, when you're on stage. | ||
You don't want to do your material. | ||
You're scared. | ||
You've got to write new premises. | ||
Yeah, I was thinking about it the other day. | ||
You always feel like a young comic because you're always putting yourself back in a vulnerable position. | ||
It doesn't matter how experienced anyone is. | ||
You go out there and I'm going to do all this new stuff. | ||
You're a child again. | ||
You have no weapons. | ||
Which is great. | ||
It makes you youthful. | ||
It makes you like, okay, we're still like a kid. | ||
It's like, no, I've been doing this for 20 years. | ||
Yeah, it's a great aspect of stand-up comedy when you do a lot of specials because it keeps you humble. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It really does. | ||
And it keeps you appreciative of the art form. | ||
You never get complacent. | ||
Well, that's the coolest thing about this era of comedy. | ||
And I think that's how Netflix changed the game by having so many people put out so much content that's seen by a lot of people. | ||
It's making everybody get on their game and write more. | ||
The era of getting a headliner set and just rolling for 20 years is gone. | ||
So it's actually taken the whole art form and pushed it further. | ||
It's great. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It really is. | ||
It is. | ||
This is the golden era. | ||
It's such a good moment. | ||
It's such a good moment. | ||
And so many different voices coming in. | ||
Yeah. | ||
From so many different places, just not only in the culture, but from around the world. | ||
Have you seen Ronnie Chang? | ||
Yes. | ||
Fucking hilarious. | ||
He's great. | ||
So different. | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
I love it. | ||
On stage with a suit, real angry and shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Fucking great. | ||
I want to talk to him, man. | ||
He's a cool guy. | ||
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I know him. | |
I gotta get him in here. | ||
Do you know him? | ||
Yeah, I know him. | ||
I gotta get him in here. | ||
Alright, I'll reach out to him. | ||
I enjoyed his act. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I enjoyed it. | ||
He's a good guy, too. | ||
And it was like, he didn't remind me of anybody. | ||
Right. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
Setups, delivery, punchlines, premises, all of it seemed like unique. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I mean, recognizable and relatable, but unique. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
I mean, that's what's so cool. | ||
The whole globe has opened up. | ||
It's like all these voices from all this different stuff. | ||
It's a fucking great time to be alive. | ||
It really is. | ||
It is. | ||
And this art form, you know, I've been thinking about this a lot, and I really think I'm going to do something about this. | ||
I want to document how everybody does it. | ||
Because I think this is the only art form that is a global, worldwide art form that's enjoyed by everybody. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's not really documented. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
Like, musicians. | ||
It's documented how they write songs. | ||
It's documented how you learn to play music. | ||
You can go to school for it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
When you're a comic, man, you've got to kind of figure it out on your own. | ||
And I think we would all benefit from some sort of documentation, and particularly for the people coming up. | ||
The girls and guys coming up that are learning how to do stand-up now would benefit tremendously from a guy like you breaking down how you do it, how you started, what's different now. | ||
Right. | ||
So I'm thinking about doing a series. | ||
Okay. | ||
Oh yeah? | ||
Yeah, and I'm probably going to put it on YouTube. | ||
Like a podcast and do it like a podcast, but call it the Comedy Creation Series. | ||
Ah, I'd love to be a part of that. | ||
Yeah, I want to get everybody, as many people as I can. | ||
Tell me how you started, when did you start, what year, what was your first club, and just break down how you do it. | ||
Yeah, that's a great thing, because it's so varied. | ||
Yes! | ||
You know, from doing the show with Fortune. | ||
Shout out to Fortune Femster. | ||
She's hilarious. | ||
Yeah, her special's up right now. | ||
Is it? | ||
On what? | ||
Sweet and salty. | ||
Netflix. | ||
Netflix as well? | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
She's so great. | ||
And we're interviewing all these comedians. | ||
We had Jesus Trejo came in today. | ||
I love him. | ||
Love him. | ||
And it's such a unique story. | ||
So different. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know, his parents coming from Mexico. | ||
He's got to care for them. | ||
He goes down to Mexico where there's like this new scene coming up of Spanish-speaking comedians. | ||
I mean, that story, you put that one and then you talk to, you know, Ryan Hamilton. | ||
Two totally different planets. | ||
Yep. | ||
All in the same form. | ||
Yep. | ||
It would be great to watch. | ||
Fuck yeah. | ||
It would be amazing. | ||
It would be really good. | ||
The world needs to know how these fucking people do these things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Because it's like... | ||
If you don't know anybody that can sit down and talk to you about how they do it, it takes too long to figure it out. | ||
Oh, completely. | ||
Completely. | ||
Like if you're in Pittsburgh, I don't know what kind of scene Pittsburgh has. | ||
Right. | ||
I'm sure it's got some kind of a scene, but how many people really? | ||
Yeah. | ||
And how many really good ones are still there that you can really learn from? | ||
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Right. | |
How do you find out? | ||
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Yeah. | |
No, I know. | ||
That's a good thing. | ||
I mean, when Seinfeld put out the documentary, people still listen to, watch comedian, like young comics. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Because there's very few roadmaps out there. | ||
There's very few glimpses into how someone is doing it and how they're working. | ||
There's been other stuff where people will show themselves on stage and they're just backstage drinking or just going about their day like a road trip. | ||
Doc kind of a thing. | ||
But very few about process. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Very few. | ||
Yeah, process and how much you've adjusted. | ||
What do you do differently now? | ||
What do you think about your old stuff? | ||
What would you do differently if you could start over again? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's good stuff. | ||
Yeah, it's a weird art form in that it really doesn't have a class you can take. | ||
Nope. | ||
Well, they have classes. | ||
They don't really. | ||
You know what those classes are good for? | ||
Getting you on stage. | ||
They're good for that. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, very few classes are taught by legit comics. | ||
Right. | ||
Maybe there's some of them out there that I'm not aware of, but every class that I've ever seen has been taught by scrubs. | ||
Right. | ||
They're probably going to give you bad advice. | ||
Rick Crome does one in New York. | ||
Remember Rick Crome from The Cellar? | ||
No, I don't. | ||
He's great. | ||
He's been around a long time. | ||
That's very valuable. | ||
He's like a real thoughtful... | ||
Practitioner of it all. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
And I've seen him, just glimpses of him, like when he'd be teaching downstairs at the cellar. | ||
And it was like, okay, this is legit. | ||
But then you see some names of other people who are out there doing it, and you're like, oh, man. | ||
I would imagine it's good for you, too, to teach. | ||
Because you can kind of think about the art form more. | ||
That would be really interesting. | ||
I don't know if I could teach it. | ||
Could you? | ||
Could you... | ||
I don't know if you... | ||
Take some young... | ||
You'd have to be really careful. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Because you don't want to mold someone into your style. | ||
That would be the temptation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Just do it like this. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Just tell them, fuck you, bitch. | ||
But I'm an observational comedian. | ||
Not anymore, you're not. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, but other things when you learn how to teach, it's better. | ||
Like, I got way better at Taekwondo when I was learning how to teach. | ||
Because I was teaching through most of my competition days. | ||
And it's one of the reasons why I think I got so good. | ||
Because I was breaking down the technique constantly. | ||
I wasn't just doing it. | ||
I was breaking it down for beginners and showing them. | ||
So I made sure that my technique is very good. | ||
It's like, in my martial arts... | ||
Right. | ||
Right. | ||
It was very crisp. | ||
My technique is, like, I always, I've prided myself. | ||
Is that a word? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Prided? | ||
Sounds weird. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I would pride myself on having excellent technique. | ||
It wasn't just that it was powerful. | ||
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Right. | |
It looked sharp. | ||
It was correct. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And jiu-jitsu is the same way, too. | ||
Guys get way better at jiu-jitsu. | ||
I've never taught jiu-jitsu, but guys get way better when they start teaching it. | ||
Right. | ||
Another cool part about this era is that people are staying comedians. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Longer. | ||
Where people would... | ||
Do comedy, they get blown out to a TV show or something, because economically, just to stay a comedian wasn't really feasible. | ||
But now you can actually make a living, and it's actually a more valued thing in the culture. | ||
This is the first wave of guys staying in it for their whole career, and not wanting to get out. | ||
They're not looking at it as a way to get out of it. | ||
Someone was just asking about that. | ||
Like, what was the last person that you know that had a special around the year 2000 that's out of the game now? | ||
Right. | ||
Like, completely quit comedy. | ||
Right. | ||
Who completely quits comedy? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Not anymore. | ||
It's just too easy. | ||
You know, just think about those... | ||
You know, afternoon diner trips and going to the movies, and you're like, oh, all that goes away if I get a job job? | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
And the only way you would do it is if you're not making enough money, so then you would have to get a job job. | ||
Right, right. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, but no, I mean, you know, even Eddie Murphy, he's seeing what it's become. | ||
Yeah. | ||
He's got to be regretting it at some point of like, why did I leave? | ||
Why did I stop doing it? | ||
Maybe, but, I mean, he made a lot of fucking great movies. | ||
He did, for real. | ||
I think he grew as a human being, you know? | ||
Look, no regrets. | ||
You could still see just when he was just hosting, it just pops out of him. | ||
He's a volcano of comedy. | ||
If he had kept cracking at it all this time, though, you know what I mean? | ||
Even like a little bit, it would have been good for me. | ||
It would have been good for me to watch. | ||
It would have been, but it will be great to see what he does now because he's kind of committed to it. | ||
I think he signed a deal with Netflix for two specials. | ||
Oh, for two? | ||
I believe so. | ||
I believe that's what I read. | ||
Let's see if that's correct. | ||
One-handed type of genius. | ||
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Yeah. | |
That would be cool. | ||
I think they gave him a shit ton of money. | ||
I could only imagine. | ||
Dolomite. | ||
I haven't seen it. | ||
I heard it's awesome. | ||
So good. | ||
Is it? | ||
So good. | ||
Got a huge response from people. | ||
How he's not nominated is, you know... | ||
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Fuck the nominations. | |
Fuck off. | ||
I know, but still, he really should have been. | ||
Fuck off. | ||
Ricky Gervais should host every award show from now to the end of time. | ||
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I know. | |
Just to let all those twats know. | ||
We're on to you. | ||
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We're on to you. | |
Climate change is real. | ||
Fuck off. | ||
Get out of here with your golden man statue. | ||
Sit down. | ||
Taking a private jet everywhere. | ||
Fuck off. | ||
He was so good. | ||
He was one of the best performances I saw this year for sure. | ||
Dolomite. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I need to see it. | ||
I haven't seen it. | ||
You do. | ||
He's brilliant. | ||
He's brilliant and it's comedy. | ||
It's so good. | ||
Jamie says just one special. | ||
One special? | ||
Yeah. | ||
They're going to give him a shit ton of loot, and I hope he works it out. | ||
Could be a movie or something, because they did Dolomite. | ||
Oh, right, a movie and a special. | ||
Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
Yeah, it's going to be work, you know, unless he hires a bunch of writers to craft the bits, and then that won't be right anyway. | ||
You know, you really need the work. | ||
You need to be on those stages. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Ellen... | ||
Did it. | ||
How was it? | ||
It was good. | ||
Was it good? | ||
I didn't hear anything about it. | ||
It didn't look like she had taken off for decades. | ||
It certainly didn't. | ||
Well, she does her show all the time, so she does do that monologue. | ||
She does. | ||
But, you know, stand-up, stand-up. | ||
Don't you think the monologue is like stand-up light, though? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
Yeah. | ||
Like Jay Leno. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Right? | ||
He was always doing those monologues, but then he would do stand-up on Sunday nights, and then he'd do corporate gigs. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, right, exactly. | ||
But he wasn't banging it out in the clubs every day like us. | ||
No. | ||
He's still going now, though. | ||
I talked to Bill Maher, had him in here. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And he was repulsed by the idea of going to the clubs. | ||
It's like, ugh, why would I do that? | ||
Like, literally. | ||
I'm like, you don't want to go to the clubs? | ||
Yeah, why not? | ||
He's like, no way. | ||
I'm done. | ||
I escaped. | ||
I'm out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I'm like, but it's the greatest way. | ||
Like, you hang out with comics. | ||
You get to do stand-up. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It just seems like low rent. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I don't know, man. | ||
I mean, sometimes people have their own audience and that's all they want. | ||
Right. | ||
They don't want to go, like a show at the store, like tonight I'll go up at the store and there'll be 14 other people on the lineup. | ||
Right. | ||
And there's people there to see every one of those people. | ||
Yeah, right. | ||
So they're not just there to see you, they're there to see comedy. | ||
That's what's great. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They might not be into you at all. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's like going to the gym. | ||
No one wants to really go to the gym. | ||
It's hard at the gym. | ||
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Exactly. | |
But then you start to love at the gym. | ||
It seems like, you know, I talked to Burr about this, and he's in agreement. | ||
He believes that you have to do it. | ||
He's like, that's the only way. | ||
The only way. | ||
You gotta go to the clubs. | ||
I'm like, I think so, too. | ||
He goes, nobody else that doesn't go to the clubs really kills. | ||
Right. | ||
Yeah, you can get through it. | ||
You can do a monologue. | ||
You can recite a monologue. | ||
But you're missing all of that high-impact stuff in between. | ||
You also run the risk of being funny because people love you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
The people that love you, that come to see you, they're your crowd. | ||
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Right. | |
And you run that risk. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
Maybe you can pull it through. | ||
Brian Regan may be different. | ||
He might be an exception to that rule, because I don't think he goes to clubs and he still murders. | ||
He does. | ||
But he's out there performing all the time. | ||
All the time. | ||
All the time. | ||
Nonstop. | ||
Nonstop, yeah. | ||
And he treats, you know, he's in a good position where he's beloved, where he can treat a set in front of 3,000 people and He'll kill, but also be able to work his stuff out within that set. | ||
Yeah, he'll work out new stuff. | ||
He's a unique guy, right? | ||
Because he's super popular with his crowd, but he doesn't have a problem with being famous. | ||
He can go anywhere. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
No, absolutely. | ||
Yeah, there's people outside of the comedy-loving world that don't know who he is. | ||
No. | ||
Which is astounding to all of us, right? | ||
Yeah. | ||
But that's how fragmented the culture is. | ||
Like, when we were talking about if you're just watching one news or watching one kind of thing, it's like where everyone's in their own little bubble. | ||
You know, there's, you know, Joe Coy is selling out, you know, the forum. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And my parents will have no idea who he is. | ||
Multiple shows, I think, too. | ||
I think he did two shows at the Forum. | ||
Yeah, you know what I mean? | ||
Like, we're such a big, massive, entertainment-eating colossus that people can be huge and be invisible at the same time. | ||
Like Sebastian. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Sebastian sells out four shows at Madison Square Garden. | ||
Sometimes I have to explain who he is to people. | ||
Right. | ||
Like, how do you not know? | ||
Isn't it weird? | ||
But meanwhile, he can go places. | ||
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Yeah. | |
It's really a beautiful balance. | ||
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Yeah. | |
He can go to the mall. | ||
Nobody gives a fuck. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Taylor Swift can't do that. | ||
I was watching a documentary. | ||
I should say my kids were watching a Taylor Swift documentary. | ||
I watched it last night with my daughter. | ||
Dude, there's a beginning of it when she walks on stage in the stadium and you see all the fucking people with their lighters on and everything. | ||
Wow. | ||
I guess it's not lighters. | ||
It's the light from their cell phones, right? | ||
From their phones or something. | ||
But yeah, I know the shot you're talking about. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
It's bonkers. | ||
But what was so cool about it was... | ||
Watching her as a 13-year-old learning to write songs, she's just, she works. | ||
She does. | ||
She works. | ||
That's got to be an incredibly bizarre place to be. | ||
Her existence. | ||
Her life. | ||
Yeah, her life. | ||
Because she's young. | ||
I know. | ||
How old is she now? | ||
29 in that documentary. | ||
So she's been hugely famous for how many years now? | ||
16, I think, is when she came on the scene. | ||
Yeah. | ||
13 years. | ||
And those are very formative years. | ||
I know. | ||
She seems like she handles it pretty well. | ||
I mean, that's what... | ||
From the documentary, it was... | ||
I was really impressed. | ||
Yeah. | ||
How good of a songwriter she was. | ||
Like, watching her come up with stuff. | ||
She's obviously so practiced and knows what she wants to do. | ||
And just the way she was coming up with stuff as she was on the fly. | ||
Maybe that's the key... | ||
Maybe the key is you have to really be obsessed with your work and doing what you want to do. | ||
100%. | ||
Like Prince. | ||
100%. | ||
They are making the stuff. | ||
They're not putting things. | ||
They actually have a craft that they can go to work on. | ||
She's a writer. | ||
Totally. | ||
A really good writer. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And all that noise, you know, she was obviously just even from the glimpse that they showed us in the documentary, dealing with weight and the fame and the Kanye stuff. | ||
Weight? | ||
Yeah, she would see pictures of herself and stop eating. | ||
What? | ||
Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
Is that in the documentary? | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
I only watched it for like two minutes. | ||
I walked in, my kids were watching, I'm like, I gotta get out of here before I get infected. | ||
No, it was pretty good. | ||
I liked it. | ||
I'm sure. | ||
I was impressed by her. | ||
I really was. | ||
That's a bummer, though, that she's always been so skinny. | ||
Well, everyone's got stuff they've got to deal with, but the thing that, like you said, it's a weird place to be, but... | ||
That she can go and write songs and go and perform them, that seems like she's got something tangible, meaningful, that will get her through that tumble. | ||
Right. | ||
It's not like a pop star where a corporation puts together your look and your songs and your thing and your this and your that. | ||
She's doing it all herself. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You're not just the guitarist. | ||
Someone else is writing the songs and doing all this stuff and you're just doing drugs and shredding once in a while. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
It's important to have something that you do. | ||
It can be something small and stupid, but it really gives you your life meaning. | ||
And without it, it doesn't have to be this big performance stuff or stuff that gets you a lot of money. | ||
Like a little hobby, a little craft, a little something you can go to sleep thinking about. | ||
I don't know why, but it's an important part about being a human being. | ||
Well, I think you nailed it. | ||
It gives you meaning. | ||
Like, you're working towards something. | ||
You're working at something. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It shuts the noise out as you're thinking about this thing that you're actually getting better at. | ||
Yeah, and then you get the satisfaction, seeing the progress. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And, I mean, she's, you know, as big as they get. | ||
But then she can crank out these songs, and you can see, like, this comm come over her as she's doing that part of it. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, it was pretty cool to watch. | ||
Tom Papa, Taylor Swift fan. | ||
There you go. | ||
I was definitely watching my daughter, who's a pretty skeptical kid, you know, at 17, and to watch her, like, admiration for her as a woman getting it done, that part, you know, she definitely gained more points for that. | ||
That's cool. | ||
I wonder what happens with someone like that. | ||
Like, where do they go as they get older? | ||
Where do they go? | ||
I mean, you're growing up and living your entire life in this superstar position. | ||
Very strange superstar position. | ||
Well, it probably, you know, the white hotness of it probably fades to some degree, but if you're... | ||
An artist like that, you would keep creating. | ||
You know, like Bonnie Raitt was just at the Grammys, right? | ||
You know, and she had their moments of being huge, and then you just become like a working musician in a way. | ||
Yeah. | ||
You know? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
Yeah. | ||
Now, that's a good way to do it, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
Just sort of be appreciated by your fans, keep going out there, and just keep doing it. | ||
And they take them along with you and see if they stick around, and You're 90 years old playing in nursing home, but there's still 20 people in the audience. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's pretty cool. | ||
It's a pretty good thing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like, look at Willie Nelson. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Still out there banging it out. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Amazing. | ||
Still touring. | ||
Stopped smoking weed. | ||
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He did? | |
Stopped smoking weed. | ||
No. | ||
Lung problems. | ||
Really? | ||
Now he's down to edibles. | ||
Oh, well, he's still getting high, though. | ||
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Yeah. | |
But he was fucking up his lungs, I guess, which is hilarious because he's like 90. He must have been smoking a lot. | ||
I wonder if he smoked cigarettes as well. | ||
Did he smoke cigarettes as well? | ||
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Yeah. | |
I don't know about that, but I heard a story of him smoking garbage cans full of weed in Hawaii. | ||
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Garbage cans? | |
He just had them around. | ||
Oh my god. | ||
Who was that country music star that has that song, I'll Never Smoke Weed with Willie Again? | ||
Oh really? | ||
Yeah. | ||
That fucking guy, Travis... | ||
Tripp? | ||
What's his name? | ||
Famous guy. | ||
I'll never smoke. | ||
Toby Keith? | ||
Toby Keith, that's right. | ||
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Toby Keith, right. | |
Because he got so messed up. | ||
Yeah, it's like he's got a song, I'll never smoke weed with Willie again. | ||
He puts you in the grave, son. | ||
It's amazing. | ||
He's just cranking it out. | ||
And his thing was to be nicer. | ||
Willie Nelson has always talked about his mean streak and his whiskey streak. | ||
And the weed was the thing that really made him a kinder person. | ||
That's what it does. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's the best aspect of marijuana is it makes you more kind and more... | ||
It makes you think about community and friendship and just forgiving people too. | ||
Right, exactly. | ||
Relaxing, just letting go of all the bullshit. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's what the world needs, a lot more forgiveness. | ||
Especially today... | ||
100%. | ||
We could all use just a little more understanding. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, where are you going to learn if you don't make mistakes? | ||
Exactly. | ||
Screw up and then you correct it and you become a better person. | ||
The lyrics to this song should be rewritten by somebody about Joey Diaz. | ||
They're pretty good. | ||
I always heard that his herb was top shelf. | ||
Lord, I could not wait to find out for myself. | ||
Well, don't knock it till you tried it. | ||
And I've tried it, my friend. | ||
I'll never smoke weed with Willie again. | ||
Now we learned a hard lesson in a small Texas town. | ||
He fired up a fat boy and passed it around. | ||
The last words I spoke before they tucked me in. | ||
May I discount bungee jump, but I'll never smoke weed with Willie again. | ||
I made discount bungee jump. | ||
I'll never smoke weed with Willie again. | ||
My party's all over before it begins. | ||
You can pour me some old whiskey river, my friend, but I'll never smoke weed with Willie again. | ||
Smoking weed with Joey Diaz is one thing. | ||
It's the edibles that'll get you. | ||
The edibles? | ||
Joey's edibles? | ||
Oh my god. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, he'll dose you. | ||
He'll take a 500 milligram edible and he'll take the wrapper off and put a 20 milligram edible label on it. | ||
Hey, what have you heard about microdosing? | ||
A lot. | ||
Yeah? | ||
Yeah, acid or mushrooms? | ||
Acid. | ||
A lot of people do it. | ||
I know. | ||
It's becoming a thing, right? | ||
It seems to help them stay focused and centered and calm and keep the chatter down, negative self-chatter, all that kind of stuff. | ||
Is there anything bad to it? | ||
I don't know. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I've micro-dosed it a couple of times. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But I've never done it on a regular basis like a lot of these people do. | ||
But I know a lot of people are doing it with psilocybin. | ||
And a lot of them do it, they take it like once every couple days. | ||
They don't even do it every day. | ||
They take it every few days. | ||
They find it remarkably beneficial. | ||
Ron White is into microdosing psilocybin. | ||
Really? | ||
Loves it. | ||
And it's not like you're really tripping. | ||
No. | ||
No, it's barely perceptible. | ||
Really? | ||
Yeah, barely perceptible. | ||
But it just gives you a nice feeling. | ||
You know, it's like, there's something about it that's nice. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
And then people feel like that, it just eliminates some of the anxiety and the shit that goes on in your head that you could be battling with. | ||
It calms those voices down. | ||
For different people. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
I mean, obviously for everyone, everyone has a different reaction to that. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Tom Papa, we've got to wrap this bitch up. | ||
Where are we going to go? | ||
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Yeah. | |
It's three o'clock. | ||
So what? | ||
We did it. | ||
We just did it for three hours. | ||
Come on. | ||
Let's go for five. | ||
I really can't have things to do. | ||
Someday I will. | ||
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All right. | |
We'll plan it out in advance next time. | ||
I'll come back after my explosive diarrhea. | ||
You going to do that? | ||
When are you going to start? | ||
Tomorrow. | ||
You're going to start with a diet tomorrow? | ||
I think so. | ||
You're going to eat this loaf of bread and then go right in? | ||
That's exactly it. | ||
That's all I was thinking. | ||
Well, I do have another loaf at home. | ||
Your Netflix special is out right now. | ||
It is called... | ||
You're Doing Great. | ||
Yep. | ||
Tom Papa on Instagram. | ||
Tom Papa on Twitter. | ||
Yep. | ||
Go to YouTube and look up Getting Baked with Tom Papa. | ||
Getting Baked with Tom Papa, the new series. | ||
Always a pleasure. | ||
And then the new book. | ||
I'll see you before that comes out. | ||
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Yes. | |
Yeah. | ||
When is that going to come out? | ||
May. | ||
May. | ||
Come here before May. | ||
All right. | ||
Tom Popper, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
You're the best. | ||
Love you, buddy. | ||
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