Dan Aykroyd compares his multitasking to tightrope walker Blondé’s Niagara Falls act while promoting his vodka—distilled with glacier water and Herkimer diamonds—tying crystal skulls (like Max and Mitchell Hedges) to extraterrestrial claims despite Smithsonian skepticism. They debate UFO sightings, from Barney and Betty Hill’s 1957 abduction (validated by star maps) to military cases like Pervez Jafari’s Iranian Air Force encounter, with Aykroyd defending credibility via witnesses and credentials while Rogan questions bias or altered states. The conversation shifts to paranormal energy in Aykroyd’s Canadian farm and Mama Cass’s L.A. estate—jewelry moving, bed depressions, and Sasquatch lore—culminating in Rogan’s cautious openness to undiscovered species like Gigantopithecus amid persistent skepticism. [Automatically generated summary]
He was a French tightrope walker, and one of the things he did, Joe, was one morning he said, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to take my manager...
On my back, I'm going to take a small stove and I'm going to cook him breakfast in the middle of the falls, right over the falls.
Can you imagine the manager, you know, the conversation there?
Okay, you're going to climb on my back.
We're going to the middle of the falls.
I'm going to make you breakfast.
I love you.
I love handling you, but no.
Really?
I have to do this?
So he took his manager on the back, out to the falls, cooked him eggs right there, and then walked to the other end of the falls with a stove, his manager, all on his back.
This is like, you know, these are feats that we hear about.
Yeah, a thousand people died going over Niagara Falls, many of them suicides, and many of them, you know, just that went over in rafts, and that kid Roger who went over in a life jacket, and people in barrels who were actually intending to go over the falls and wanted to float down that far.
A guy in a life jacket survived, and a couple of them in the barrel survived.
But the tribe of the Niagara Indians, the indigenous natives who lived at the bottom of the falls, We're overweight.
And why were they overweight?
Because they didn't run through the forest hunting.
They took all of the meat that came through the Niagara River and went over the falls and was dashed at the bottom of the falls.
The bears, the wolves, the moose, all of them who drowned in the falls, all this wildlife, and they just harvested the meat off the rocks at the bottom of the falls.
This package is based on the crystal heads because we wanted to sell the idea of purity.
And you can see it's a nice, smiling, happy little skull.
It was designed by John Alexander, the great Texas artist.
This is our wheat version.
We have corn in here.
We have wheat in here.
And there's no cleaner vodka, I must say, on the planet.
We go to great lengths to make this a clean product.
Not only is the bottle beautiful, but the unique fluid inside is what has got us to 70 countries, over 50 million bottles sold.
We've won 12 gold medals.
We won the Perdexpo in Moscow for excellent taste out of 400 beverages.
And what we do is we take peaches and cream corn from Chatham, Ontario.
And we put it in the truck in the mash and we ship it 95% alcohol volume at that point and we take it over and we put it in the ferry boat and we bring it over to the distillery in Newfoundland, Canada.
The last, one of the last state-owned stills in the world.
And why are we there?
Because the water from the original Wisconsin Glacier is...
Under Newfoundland.
So water is...
Vodka's an old Russian word for water.
Is it really?
Yeah, and great vodkas have sweet water.
I'm just going to...
I want you to just take a sip, and then I'm going to make a nice crystal jar.
Sweet vanilla dry crisp with a kick of heat off the finish are our notes from Anthony Dias Blue.
We take that to the distillery in Newfoundland.
We use the water there.
We do not add flavor packs.
Flavor packs are added to lesser vodkas.
That's glycerides, sugars, terpenes.
And we put them, they put them in these packages and they put them into the vodka.
We eliminated all of that and we have no additives at all.
This is C2H506, just absolute ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol, purified, distilled in a carbon filtration system, not the one with the hose where they just blow it through.
No, we distill and we filter and we pour it over Herkimer diamonds.
You know, again, you'd have to sit with a chemistry professor and say, why does the alcohol turn the crystals yellow?
Is it doing anything?
Is it purifying it?
We've done flavor profiles where we pour it over the stones and give it to people, and we don't pour it over the stones and give it to the people, and they like it better poured over the stones.
Now, why I like the Herkimer Diamond is, of course, because it's near Griffiths Air Force Base, Rome, New York.
And that was where a lot of scrambles went up in the 70s and 80s against...
Whatever was coming and going in the mountains there, Pine Bluff, Pine Bush, New York.
So I thought, this is great.
Herkimer Diamonds, from that area, associated with ETs, the Navajo, the Aztec, the Anasazi.
They said that these skulls came down to them from the star children.
They were given to them as scrying devices to help the tribe move forward, to give positive energy to the tribe.
And so I thought, perfect tie-in.
We pour our vodka over Herkimer diamonds.
diamonds were tied in a little to the extraterrestrial legend there with the skull and it's the neat kind of bow to our product.
But the most important thing is that the fluid in the bottle matches the beauty of the bottle and the bottle is to sell the idea of purity and enlightened thinking, enlightened drinking, which is what these skulls were made for.
He loves skulls and skeletons and that kind of stuff.
This is gorgeous.
And Day of the Dead stuff, and so he painted that up.
He's one of my oldest friends, and we met because we were working on Saturday Night Live, and my girlfriend there was Rosie Shuster, one of the writers, and we fell in love, and we had a great time, and wrote the show.
We wrote Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute, and a lot of other things.
And then I went away to do Blues Brothers and she said, I'm breaking up with you.
And I said, well, for what and for who?
Well, I met this artist, John Alexander.
So she dumped me for him and now we're best friends and we'd like to find Rosie again.
No, no, no, no.
She dumped me for...
And he went on to get married and do other stuff.
Yeah, that's how we met.
So it's kind of an interesting friend, creative friend.
So we are the Vodka for the Creative Spirit.
It comes from two artists, a writer, him an artist, a graphic artist and designer and painter and sculptor.
So, you know, millennials love us because there's an OBS story on our purity.
We are...
We are a pure story.
We're a story about fun and about enlightened drinking in moderation, of course.
And we are a story about quality.
And so I think people are buying it.
We have a lot of female demographic there because of the cleanliness, because we don't have the additives in it.
And, you know, we just take the trouble to make this product in a special way.
We're in 70 countries and doing really well with it.
Because people are getting the story that it's not only the bottle, it's what's in the bottle.
You get it at BevMo, Total Wines, ABC Liquor.
Bars all over the world have it now.
Yeah, they like the no-additive story.
It's a little more expensive in retail, but it works out to about $0.37 a drink more.
If you have 25 drinks in a bottle, you buy that bottle.
You're paying a little more for the quality and for the package, but you don't have to pay too much more for a drink.
It's like $0.37 more.
If the average drink win bars, we say we sell it for like maybe seven bucks a shot or say nine bucks a shot, seven for, you know, two for 14 and three for 21.
I want to talk to you about the story of the crystal skulls themselves, because there is this strange sort of folklore attached to them, and then there's a lot of people that believe that it's all horseshit, and that these were created by modern people and buried underground in order to... and that these were created by modern people and buried Well, my understanding of it is...
You can get the pictures of the skulls up, the Smithsonian crystal heads, and the Smithsonian crystal heads you can get in Victoria Albert crystal head.
I think that the intensity of the Hewlett-Packard scrutiny revealed that there were none of those marks, and that's why they were able to make their claim.
But the thing is, if you are a professional intellectual or someone who's a curator of fine artwork and ancient relics, you kind of have to be one of those people that dismisses anything preposterous.
But there's no way you can sit down and say, Neil, Barney and Betty Hill were abducted by a flying saucer in 1957. He's not going to accept that.
Because he can't accept that.
Because everything in his training, everything in his knowledge, everything that he knows about physics and science and propulsion and the universe and how to get from place to place, defies...
I would say defies the theory that there are extraterrestrial advanced ships out there.
It would be unprofessional for him to say...
Okay, there's even a possibility that there were abductions.
Because there were marks on the back of the car as well.
There were trace evidence on the back of the car.
You know who Ted Phillips is.
He goes around the world.
Collecting trace evidence and radioactive signatures from sightings and landings.
On the back of the car, there was a couple of marks.
But it was Betty's...
It's their credibility.
Why would they want to bring this into their lives?
And she was conscious, semi-conscious through much of it.
And Barney was not conscious.
He was unconscious.
If you hear the tapes...
Ben Simon's interviews with them under hypnosis, screaming, and he was just so frightened.
And the Zeta Reticuli map, when the being Betty looked at the map and the being showed her a map as she was on her way out the door and she said, may I take this?
And the being was going to give it to her, but then another one zipped up and said no.
Zeta Reticuli is exactly the same place where Bob Lazar says they found those with the spaceships that they have at S4. Well, the little greys, Zeta Reticuli, Barney and Betty's abduction.
And, you know, interesting things like when they got back to the...
The house, the house was open and the keys to the house were in on the table with leaves so that they might have dropped them at the site and the beings returned them.
If you catch a trout, if you catch a big rainbow trout and you're fly fishing and you've got a barbless hook, you know, most people, if you go to Montana, go to the Gallatin River, shout out to the Gallatin.
People catch and release because they appreciate that the trout are there.
They'd rather go buy halibut from a store and not eat the fish because they want the salmon to be healthy.
They want the trout to be healthy.
So they catch them.
invasive, but if you're a rainbow trout and someone catches you and they take you on some 200-yard run down this river as they're trying to draw you in, it's a big nine-pound rainbow, catch of a lifetime, right?
But this is what I want people to consider, because most people that are pragmatic, reasonable people that don't want to be ridiculed, they look at these stories and they go, oh, come on, people are full of shit.
And I've been there, too.
But I want people to imagine that if aliens did occasionally visit Earth, How often do you think this would take place?
It would be very infrequently.
And if it was happening, these would be completely unique, unusual occurrences, out of nowhere, where someone would come down, they would do something, and they would be leaving the person.
With this thought and this memory and this inability to describe it with normal words.
If you were taken aboard a spaceship and you were some reptilian beings that were three feet tall, were running experiments on you and you were paralyzed and then they released you back on Earth.
What words do you have available to you to describe this experience in a way that, like, if you tell me, hey, Joe, I went whitewater rafting with my kids.
It was a great time.
It was so fun.
We got to see eagles, and it was gorgeous.
And then we had lunch at this beautiful little cafe.
What a great day.
I can envision this experience.
I can see it.
But if you tell me, hey, man, we went camping, and I woke up, and some alien had a finger in my ass.
And there were 300 abductees there, some who he'd interviewed with, some he had not, but who were there for interested to find out more about their experience.
And one guy got up and said, he had one arm, and I don't know whether that was related.
I don't think it was related to the experience, but he said, I'm a Wall Street broker.
I'm quite well off.
I have a sailboat.
I was in Long Island Sound a few years ago, and a blue light hit me, and I had missing time of about five or six hours.
But in it, I have filtrated memories of beings addressing me and telling me that I was powerful and influential and I could help the planet survive.
And they put me back in my ship and I woke up.
And he said, I'm waiting for them to come back.
I want them to come back.
And I asked the room.
I got up and I said, of all of you who've been taken, how many of you would want to repeat the experience or have it happen again?
And about half of them said no.
No way they'd want it to happen again.
And half said, yeah, we'd like it to happen again.
Do you think this was initiated by the detonation of the atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki where they decided, okay, these fucking monkeys are doing some stupid shit.
We need to go down there and see what's up and see if there's imminent danger to the cosmos.
Let's find out what kind of capabilities they have.
Because if you listen to Lazar or if you believe the work of Zechariah Sitchin or any of the people that believe that human beings were engineered...
The reason why there's this giant leap between us and the rest of the primates on the planet is because something came down and manipulated our genetics.
There's a documentary on Netflix that's available that he's in.
about the pressure that they put on him to make light of that incident.
And he talks about his own personal experiences with seeing something, some sort of triangle-shaped craft that was enormous, the size of several football fields that was flying overhead, that was completely silent, and how it freaked him out.
The triangle and delta crafts are very, very interesting.
But the Tinley Park incidents of the 80s, and with Sam Maranto as the investigator there from UFON, these things would park over the family barbecue for about half an hour.
families in suburbs were looking up at the sky being blotted out by these things parking above them.
I think it comes down to, I don't think these beings, well, Lord Hill Norton said there were 23 different species visiting the planet in 23 different types of ships.
I don't think they want a formal relationship with people on Earth.
They want an informal, secret relationship.
I think they probably have one with black elements of the Air Force and the government.
You know who David Sarit is?
David Sarita.
You should have him on.
He's very knowledgeable about this.
His theory is that the Roswell event may have been precipitated by the Trinity explosion because there was such an interdimensional disturbance of the atoms being split and that explosion.
That saucer there that went down in 1947 may have...
May have been influenced somehow negatively by that explosion.
After talking to him for three hours and having dinner with him the night before, I used to believe I had the best bullshit meter in the world, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten more honest.
And I didn't see anything.
He's an incredibly smart guy, and he's not a guy who's seeking out attention, and he's not profiting from this.
He talked openly about it in the 90s that he had managed to weasel some away from the area S4, and they think that he still has it.
There were some experiments that he had done that George Knapp had actually filmed that had showed some really bizarre distortions using this stuff, and then it was able to...
It was, I gotta remember exactly what it did that they showed, but they did some experiences like steam or smoke or something like that where they showed element 115 emitting some sort of a...
My mother worked for the Ministry of Munitions and Supply in World War II for the minister and she was suborned to work with the aircraft production for the hurricane.
She was in charge of working with getting the hurricane fuselages built in Canada for the hurricane fighter plane.
So she was in the world of aviation and in 1947 she was walking down Spark Street in Ottawa And she looked up in the sky and she sort of said, something told me to look up.
And she said she saw what looked like a Christmas tree ornament just winking above the street about four or five hundred feet, winking on and off, red, green, white, red, green, white.
And she thought, that's odd, you know?
And then she looked at it and she said, it just zipped off in the sky and disappeared.
And around the house after that point, We always had articles.
There's an article.
There's a cover of Life Magazine with Marilyn Monroe.
It talked about flying saucers.
There's a cover of Look Magazine with Elizabeth Taylor.
It catalogues the Barney and Betty Hill incident.
So whenever one of those articles come up, she always had that at home for me to read.
So I was interested in it from then.
And I've had four sightings myself, quite vivid.
The first one was in Martha's Vineyard.
It was 4 in the morning.
I got up to take a leak on the balcony there, and I looked up in the sky, and about 100,000 feet up, I saw two glowing discs flying in echelon formation.
Two glowing, glowing round objects, 100,000 feet wide.
Maybe 20,000 miles an hour are they doing because they went across the sky like just in a zigzag formation.
So if I screamed to my wife, my friends, they got up, the three of us saw it, and I said, you know, and they all knew it was something unusual.
That was my first sighting.
Okay, now, who knows?
Okay, meteoric bull ride.
There are many people that can dispute.
I know what I saw.
I know what my friends saw.
I know what my wife saw.
Those things were moving.
They were glowing fast.
They were flying in formation.
And they were doing enough speed to get from basically the right side of my eyes to the left side of my eyes really fast.
The second one was...
I was in...
So that's four.
I count those two as two.
And then the second one that I saw, so the one, two.
The third one I saw, I was in Montreal, Canada.
And I was on the 23rd floor of the Queen Elizabeth Hotel.
And this would have been when we were doing Patron in Canada, the Patron tequila promotion.
And that would have been in the early 2000s.
And I looked up beyond the window there, and I saw this...
It just looked like an air mattress turned over on its, you know, with the bubbles on the bottom.
It was huge.
It was 150 feet long, 50 feet wide, gray.
It was a gray, rainy day in Montreal, broad daylight.
And here was this thing at the 23rd story of the hotel.
And I'm looking at it and it moved slowly down St. Catherine Street and I'm thinking, Where are the wires?
Where are the wires?
It's got to be a balloon.
There's no Thanksgiving Day parade here.
What is that?
And my friends are with me.
What is that?
And it come along and it just parked.
Outside the window, we looked at it, big gray thing with these bulbs underneath and then it slowly turned and we saw the full length of it and then it went around the corner.
We ran out in the hall and we just watched it drift kind of sideways off over the St. Lawrence River and disappear.
I should have checked and seen in Montreal with the local MUFON. I think they have a representative up there.
But it was vivid.
We all saw it.
And then the fourth one that I saw, I was on my motorcycle leaving town to go at Kingston, Ontario, where I live there, and I was driving out of the farm gate.
And I saw there's a power line that runs on the opposite farm there across the road, and I saw this winking red light just moving slowly along the top of the power pylons, and I thought, well, you know, helicopters, they do that kind of work where they string power lines, but they don't really do it at night.
I thought, that's got to be a chopper, a hydro chopper, like a hydro company chopper watching the power lines checking for faults, or I don't know.
And it goes along like this, and I'm watching it, and I stop the bike, you know, and I'm watching.
And then it stops.
And makes a right angle turn and comes right at me.
But I served under the first African American sheriff in Hines County, Mississippi, in its history.
Back to my sighting.
The thing comes along.
I put on the wigwags on the bike and it stops above me and it turns on a light.
And I'm going...
Where's the rotor wop?
Where's the wash?
Come on, a helicopter at 3,000 feet?
You can hear it.
This thing's like three, four hundred feet above me.
I'm looking at the thing.
I'm thinking, where's the wash?
It looks like a helicopter.
It's got to be a helicopter.
Do I see a canopy?
Do I see rings, rotors?
Nothing.
Just a mass of kind of metallic and lights, and it just shines this light on me, and I turn the lights on the bike on, and then turn them off, and then it winked the light off, and it just drifted out over the field, and just drifted awfully.
And then one night, well, one night I was in bed with my wife.
It was in the 1987 or so.
And I woke bolt upright at three in the morning.
I said, I've got to go outside.
I've got to go outside.
They're calling me.
They're calling me.
They want me to see.
They want me to see.
And she says, oh, go back to sleep.
So I went back to sleep.
Next day, all over the radio of upstate New York, they talked about A big pink spiral in the sky that had appeared to upstate northeastern Ontario and upstate New York.
And they were saying, oh, it was a Chinese rocket.
What, a bottle rocket?
Or the Chinese sent a rocket?
This was the explanation that the media and the government was giving at the time.
And then an interesting thing happened where I was doing a show called Out There, Beyond Belief, and we were doing it over there for Bonnie Hammer over there at the Sci-Fi Channel.
And it was an interview show where I talked to Doug Meldrum, the Sasquatch expert, and all kinds of...
Yeah, but it was supposed to be a show on Sci-Fi Channel, an interview show, where I'd interviewed everybody, you know, all the people in the field of cryptozoology and sci-fi and science fiction and theory and UFOs.
I had Stephen Greer and Stephen Bassett on that same day.
The Marfa lights are these anomalous, and that's a state kind of recognized paranormal mystery too, mysterious Marfa lights.
They have a kind of a picnic area where you can watch them at night.
No one knows what they are.
They appear every night and they bounce around on the horizon.
They go up and down and back and forth.
People say, oh, there are headlights from different cars on the highway, but the Air Force, the state police, they've all tried to figure out what they are, and they just don't know what the Marfa lights are, and they're recognized by the state of Texas as a paranormal event.
I'm sure there's a lot of people fabricating things, and I'm also sure there's a lot of people that believe they're telling a true story, but in fact, they're schizophrenic, or they have some issues.
And one of the best ways to be special is for you to have a special moment with some special creatures from a special place and no one else can recognize whether or not you're telling the truth or not telling the truth.
You talk about this and everybody wants to listen and they listen to you.
They're totally fixated on everything you like to say.
Yeah, Betty and Barney Hill are a really interesting one.
Because also, there wasn't a precedent.
Betty and Barney Hill in 1961, there wasn't a bunch of people that were talking about these things happening to them.
And since then, there have been very many that were really similar.
Very similar.
And it makes you wonder.
But this is what I want to say to people that are skeptical, and of course I'm skeptical.
That's why I'm knocking holes in these things.
If it did happen and you were left alone to try to explain to people something that is incredibly unique, very few people ever experience it, it would be so hard to get people to believe you.
It means you've studied it and you make money doing it.
There's not a single fucking human being on this planet that's a professional...
Explorer of other worlds right there's not a single person on this planet that is a professional expert on alien civilization They could tell you everything they need to know I know more about French About the language the French language than anyone that's ever lived knows about alien civilizations And I don't know shit about French.
And when you talk to a man like that, whose living was in debunking these things, and then after it was all over, he was compelled to communicate with the American public that there was a real situation going on.
And Ken Arnold, his sighting is pretty compelling.
So I don't think they want to form a relationship with us.
I think they're coming and going like taxis and they have been since the beginning of the existence of life on this planet or the existence of this planet.
Some people say, oh, well, it was black and the dust flew up and it wouldn't...
It wouldn't.
Crystal had vodka, cleanest vodka on the planet.
Anyway, so I believe the one.
And, you know, Buzz Aldrin, a good friend of mine, as a good friend of everybody's, but I love Buzz.
And so they go to the moon, and I love that story about there was only 17 seconds of fuel left when they landed.
And then he had to kind of hop over some rocks to get there, you know.
So...
There's a story that Neil Armstrong was at a conference in France, in a hotel room, and there was a woman there who had been previously head of MI6, and she was a part of this cocktail party.
And she overheard a conversation between Neil Armstrong and another gentleman who was in the intelligence service.
And the guy was asking him about the moon landing.
And Neil said, you know, there was a frequency that we switched to to talk about other things that were happening at that time.
And the guy said, what do you mean?
He said, when we landed there, on the rim of the crater nearby, he said, there were several ships and they were large and menacing.
Big, massive, massive dumps of water were supposed to be these O-shaped, lifesaver-shaped UFO figures.
And then what he did was he compared them against the length of the tether, which was a mile long, and said these things would have had to have been You know, quite large.
Now, that's David Sereda.
You should have him on.
He's a brilliant ufologist and theorist.
And STS, Space Shuttle, 1979. And then Lonnie Zamora, you should also check.
And Herb Shermer, S-C-H-I-R-M-A-R. And Leslie Keen and Ralph Blumenthal, you know.
An IBM, ex-IBM mainframe engineer, head of MUFON, because when he was a boy in Marin County, California, he and his brother were left for the weekend.
He was a 12-year-old brother, and he was 10. An orange orb dropped into his backyard, and two beings got out and played with them for several hours, and then he came back the next day.
Yeah, that's a great one because it really took the real science of what was going on and it took all of the stories that were reported in Bruce's book here and kind of distilled them into a theory of what might be happening.
But I... I believe that the consciousness can survive after death.
There's a school called Arthur Findlay College in England, and you can go there and train to be a medium.
Why you'd want to, I don't know.
It's very exhausting.
Can you imagine shutting down your whole system, going into a trance, reaching the other side, having that entity come through the other side, use your body, use your fluids, use everything, and then abandon you after, and then just go.
It's exhausting, exhausting.
My family researched mediumship, and I wrote Ghostbusters based upon, you know, just our family interest.
Wow.
The Fox sisters.
So you're all in.
The Fox sisters, you should get them up.
There's a picture of them, Fox sisters.
In 1848, they were lying in bed in their new house near Hydesville, New York, and all of a sudden this kind of rapping started terrifying them.
They thought it was confined just to that house in Hydesville, but they managed to take it around.
When they went to Rochester, it happened in houses.
When they went to a theater, it happened in front of 300, 400 people.
And eventually they toured the world with this act.
They called it the peddler, and he was someone who was killed and murdered and buried in the house in the basement.
Well, they think that this is just a problem with translation, is that this idea of the burning bush, like, oh, there was a burning bush.
Well, maybe, or maybe they figured out a way to extract the dimethyltryptamine from the acacia tree.
Or this bush, Acacia Bush as well.
And that they took this small amount of dimethyltryptamine from this fire and inhaled it and had this profound religious experience like I've experienced, like many people have experienced, that have taken it.
And I think that...
One thing that happens when you do this is you're confronted with entities.
Now, I don't know what these things are, but they seem to be communicating with you, and they seem to be talking to you, and they seem to know everything about you.
So the question is, is that really your subconscious?
Is this what you know about yourself stripped down to some very bare, raw form?
And then confronted with the psychedelics that perturb your visual cortex.
So they provide you with all these intense visualizations.
Well, no, I think they found him, but he had vanished for a while.
H.P. Lovecraft, maybe look up Grave or Demise.
But, you know, he wrote about geometric shapes.
He wrote about interdimensional geometric shapes and getting to a space where you saw the universe in terms of geometry and diamond-shaped things and multi-patterns and colors and Do you know the artist Alex Gray?
Well, a lot of the most profound psychedelic experiences are the compounds.
They mimic normal human neurochemistry.
Like dimethyltryptamine, it's a natural occurring compound in the human brain.
It's produced by your liver, your lungs, and there's a lot of evidence, at least in mammals, it's produced by your pineal gland, which is literally your third eye.
Well, that's what the, you know, motorcycle ice racing, you get a little small bike like a Jawa CZ and you put the metal rims with the studs and then you race around the ice.
I never did it, but I saw it and I think I was, that's what I went to.
My friend said, hey, take one of these and we'll have a better time.
Well, psilocybin converts in the body to something very similar to DMT.
The DMT is the chemical compound is N-N-dimethyltryptamine, but something happens in the body's production of DMT or the body's breaking down of DMT where it produces something called 4-phoriloxy-NM-dimethyltryptamine.
But that's one of the things that made me more open to the idea of extraterrestrials, but more closed off to the ideas of these stories that people tell.
Because I felt like these stories that people tell were so crude.
It was almost like they were trying to facsimilate this real experience.
They were trying to recreate it in their mind.
And the other thing about these abduction experiences is that almost all of them happen at night.
And a lot of them happen while people are asleep.
And during sleep is when they believe your body is generating dimethyltryptamines.
They believe that DMT is also responsible for dreams.
The thing about it is that if these were unique occurrences that only happen once every 10 years or something like that, and very rarely, and it did happen, and you were left with this memory and this thing, go try telling it to people that haven't experienced it.
You need people, just like you experienced trauma, a car accident, you need people around you who love you to listen to you and say, I believe you and I want to help you.
Right.
And Ruffle is a lady who helps with abductees, and there's some psychiatrists who deal with it.
But, you know, these guys who come on, like Michael Shermer and other people and Philip Klass, they come on and they try to debunk these UFO stories, but they don't have their facts straight.
They don't haven't done the research.
They haven't studied these cases.
They come and they just blanket say, it's not real.
It's so interesting because of the Fermi paradox, because this concept that if there are these species that exist in these infinite number of stars and perhaps even infinite number of universes, we really don't know.
Our limited perception of what the actual universe itself is.
Well, he also will refer to the concept that not only is the universe infinite, but what infinity truly means is the real version of infinite is not just it's really big, but it's that it's so big that there are an infinite numbers of Dan Aykroyds, Joe Rogans, and Jamie Vernons in a room.
And there's an infinite number of versions of this conversation that we're having.
There was a philosophy, a philosopher a few years ago, he believed that everything that you think, like if I think, okay, I want to go steal a Cadillac, well, in another dimension, I've stolen that Cadillac and I've done that.
It's impossible for our puny little brains to wrap our heads around.
I had Nick Bosterman, who's a philosopher who is famous for his work on simulation theory and the concept of artificial intelligence and sentient artificial intelligence.
He was freaking me out yesterday, where he was talking about, essentially, it's more probable that you are in a simulation than you're not in a simulation.
And there's so many people that want to, instead of propagate love, they want to propagate anger.
And they want to propagate hate.
And it's so easy to do.
And so many people are dissatisfied by their own existence that they want to do that.
But they don't understand that by doing that, you are perpetuating this whole terrible cycle that you've been caught up in yourself.
If you go out there hating on everybody and being shitty to everybody and throwing all this anger out there in the world...
That you are literally poisoning yourself.
There's a wonderful quote about jealousy that I think also applies to hate, is that it's one of the rare things that is ineffective on the person who's your target, but works on you instead.
Like, if you're jealous, if there's a person out there like, oh, I wish I was living her life, and you're angry at her, like, it's not hurting her.
It's just hard for people to understand that there's techniques and there's strategies and there's philosophies that can help you steer through this world with a happier life.
And that is a big part of it.
A big part of it is embracing love and friendship and camaraderie and being nice to people.
But the point to me is that there was something that happened during that time with American automobile manufacturers.
They had...
Come up with designs and they were influenced in a way that they created these iconic images that if you looked at a 1960s car, those 1960s cars are so incredibly valuable and cherished.
Whereas late 1970s, you get a 1979 car, nobody gives a fuck about that car.
Like in 10 years, the cars went from being amazing to dog shit.
I have a little Bentley, a little 48 Mark VI Bentley.
It's got an overheld valve, six in it.
It was built at the end of the war, you know, to kind of get England back into production.
I like that car.
But...
My regular everyday driver, and this will be completely boring to most people on the planet, I have a 2011 Ultimate Edition Mercury Grand Marquis Luxury Sport four-door sedan.
Okay, that's like, what's that?
The New York Times said when the production of the big Fords were discontinued, the big Grand Marquis, when they were discontinued in 2011, they went out of the business.
They stopped making them.
The New York Times said, you've always liked one, but you never really wanted one.
Well, I found two of them in upstate New York.
And they used to be, and I found them, and I looked, I was driving in Auburn, New York, and I saw, I was whipping by in this town on my way down, and I saw these two cars sitting there with snow, and I looked, I liked that Grand Marquis, so I found out about them.
Bought them, found out they were both equipped by the U.S. State Department motor pool for a diplomatic career.
They had lights and sirens in them, and they had work done on the motors.
I'm on the 401 in Toronto.
A Mercedes, you know, 300C will pull up behind me and want me to move over and say, okay, geriatric driver in the old marquee, move over.
But the guy, my friend, he has a Tesla there in Toronto, and he said he programmed it in downtown Toronto, and it drove him to Kingston City Hall and parked in front of the City Hall.
Well, one of the things I told him, I was like, you are so much happier and more interesting when you're talking about cars than you ever were when you were hosting The Tonight Show.
He's a great host of The Tonight Show, but The Tonight Show is basically you are running a commercial for other people's records.
Yeah, for their movies, their television shows that they have coming out, and you're there to sort of be the entertaining guy, and he was wonderful at it.
I support my people in the industry, but I can tell you right now, and I'm going to get in trouble for this, that's my vote for Beck's picture right now.
Those girls were superb, but I should have been sitting there as a producer watching costs a little more.
You know, Paul Feig and I and Ivan, we had our little conflicts.
There were things that we thought that we didn't think would work.
Why shoot it?
Why spend the money?
But, you know, he's a director.
We have to have faith.
So there was a little conflict there, and I've spoken about it before, but all that's in the past.
I think he made a great picture with the girls.
I love it.
I think they're all great in it.
Really, you know, he treated the movie with a tribute, kind of legacy, respect, and there were some great new spirits in there, and the girls were great.
Now Ivan Reitman's son, Jason, has written a new movie called, well, it's going to be Ghostbusters, the third movie.
It's just fun because it's entertaining and I think it's enlightening and if people want to come to me and get my view of it, I'm happy to present my view, you know, and I'm happy to hear stories and I'm happy to hear skeptics come forward and tell me why the thing I saw when I was on my motorcycle was not a UFO. Right.
Why was it?
Okay, it was a hydro helicopter.
Okay, well, okay, if it was a hydro helicopter, why am I not hearing rotor whop at 400 feet above me?
I've been riding since I was 19. You ride in L.A.? I can ride anywhere, but I prefer to ride in the country up north in Canada, you know, where I'm living.
L.A.? A little more in the States because of the travel with the band and that, but I'm there with my dad in Canada a lot, and we have the old family farm with the haunted farmhouse.
Is it haunted?
Well, let me say that there's residual energy from the people who've lived there in the past.
So you hear footsteps and voices and creaks and doors closing and that, and many people have had experiences in it.
But even that, that weirds people out, but absolutely, if you have a house where people were murdered, and this is why there's laws, you have to divulge.
It wasn't because of a murder, but when I sold our house in Los Angeles, we lived in Mama Cass's old estate in Woodrow Wilson Drive, and we sold it to Beverly D'Angelo, and she's been on the Celebrity Ghost Show talking about the spirits that were in that house.
Yes, and there were two spirits that might have been there.
Maybe Mama Cass herself, although she died in London.
And then there was another guy that apparently, a rumor was he died of a drug overdose at a party, and they buried him in the hillside.
And my daughter saw him walking with a little red-haired girl down the hall once, and we think that he might have been there.
But anyway, when we sold the house to Beverly, there was a, right in the California real estate document that we had to sign, by law, you have to divulge anything.
Unusual activity in the house.
So I had to sign a clause in there that said, yes, at the beginning of our tenure in the house, we did have experience.
But the California, you know, just that the state of California requires that in their real estate documents, it's pretty compelling evidence that there's something going on there, too.
I just turned out the light, and I look, and I see this depression, and then I go, well...
What am I going to do about this?
Am I going to leap up screaming?
No.
I rolled over and I just kind of nuggled up against it and went to sleep.
And I slept like a baby.
Slept like a baby.
There's a scene in the Ghostbusters movie where I'm lying down in an old fort and then this ghost hovers over me and in the director's cut I think the belt comes off and the pants come down.
Well, you know, yes, there's Ed Davis and Abraham Lincoln were partners, and they were law partners, and they slept in the same bed many times when they were on the road, yeah.
But it's been, you know, Yeti, the Yak and Yeti story, you know, the Yeti story, and just the, around the world, just the sightings that people have had.
I mean, I'm not going to sit here and argue on behalf of Mothman, but it's an intriguing story because...
When you have multiple witnesses, as far as the UFO, I will go back to Goodfoot, but the aerial encounter, the school children at the aerial school in Zimbabwe in the 90s.
There's one scientist that has literally risked his reputation, and his whole fucking credibility is in demise because he decided that he was going to spend his life looking for the giant sloth.
And these indigenous people have pointed him in the right direction, and they've recognized that there's dung that seems to be sloth dung that they've found, and they're trying to point him towards where these things are.
And the giant sloth was a real creature.
But there's no real evidence that the giant sloth is currently alive.
But the thing is, the vast wilderness of the Amazon rainforest is so impenetrable.
It would be like trying to walk across the earth and make a good audit of all the creatures that are on it.
And, you know, many species are dying on this planet right now for various reasons, but there are many that are being discovered we never even knew about before.
And, you know, the northwestern forests are pretty impenetrable, too.
Yes, that's what makes it interesting, is that the location of the area where if the thing crossed the Bering Land Bridge and it came into the United States, that's exactly where it would be.
I was a flex track assistant mechanic on tundra crawlers and I was a road surveyor.
When I was a kid, I worked for the Department of Public Works, and we were up there along the Nahanni River, the Headless River, where explorers would go, and they'd find their heads, and they'd never come back.
The Headless Valley, the Headless River, Nahanni River, and H-A-N-N-I. When I went up there and was with the survey people, there had been guys who had been up there years before me, and they said that Sasquatch was a common thing that was spoken about among the natives and among the survey crews up there.
I think that's because it used to be a real thing.
That's what I think.
I think that's because if we all agree and scientists agree that this Gigantopithecus was a real thing, if that is the case, then it's entirely possible that at one point in time, human beings were in direct contact with them on a regular basis and those stories have been passed down through generation after generation.
The real question is, are they still here?
Because the people that are telling you these stories, like when we talk about people in North America, it's widely accepted that most Native Americans, they share a lot of genetics with people from Siberia.
Because Siberia is what's close to the Bering Land Bridge.
They come down.
These people eventually, many, many, many, many, many thousands of years migrated into America.
And they have...
So those are people that would have been in contact 100,000 whatever years ago.
They know that these teeth that they found from Gigantopithecus indicate that at least 100,000 years ago they were alive.
Yeah.
Like a homo florensis You know that hobbit person that they found This tiny little thing On the Flores island That thing, they didn't even know that was real Until the 2000s And that thing existed as recently as I think it was 13 or 14 Thousand years ago, which is incredibly Recent, and this is a Completely new discovery that people Found that there was a totally Different species of human being
That was very small with a chimp-sized brain, It used tools and it lived amongst humans.
Yeah.
This thing, if they know it lived 100,000 years ago, it could have easily lived 50. It might have lived 20. So it lived 20,000 years ago.
Well, you know, look, many people believe in the Virgin Mary, Kathleen, and that's quite a myth, and many believe in the Angel Moroni and the gold plates and the magic spectacles, and many believe in Xenu, you know, the Scientologist belief.
So I'm not going to go and say, hey, oh, I dispute your belief there were no golden spectacles, or there were no golden, no, there was no Xenu, no, there was no Virgin Mary, no.
I respect people's belief.
And they realize, that's what you believe, and that's what helps you.